Richardson Throws Himself Under the Bus

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Bill Richardson is bailing out of the Obama administration: Richardson to withdraw as Commerce secretary.

New Mexico Gov. Bill Richardson, tapped in December by President-elect Barack Obama to serve as secretary of Commerce, has withdrawn his name for the position, citing a pending investigation into a company that has done business with his state.

“Let me say unequivocally that I and my Administration have acted properly in all matters and that this investigation will bear out that fact,” he said Sunday in a report by NBC News’ Andrea Mitchell. “But I have concluded that the ongoing investigation also would have forced an untenable delay in the confirmation process.”

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370 comments
1 Dustyvet  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 10:31:38am

Crunch!

2 jwb7605  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 10:32:10am

I just e-mailed my friend in New Mexico, and asked her if this was "honorable" or if there were more to it than meets the eye.

Will repost if I get a sensible answer.

3 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 10:32:13am

Fitzmas, Blago, possible ties, now this?

/Gonna be a rocky 4 years and Zero hasn't even been sworn in yet.

4 MJ  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 10:32:21am

Does Bill Richardson have a son that the Democrats can give the position to?

5 Fat Jolly Penguin  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 10:32:30am

/schadenfreude

6 jones  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 10:32:37am

Bush lost Chavez. How many will Obama lose?

7 Desert Dog  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 10:33:10am

re: #5 Fat Jolly Penguin

/schadenfreude

we will overdosing on schadenfreude over the next 4 years

8 jaunte  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 10:33:14am

I nominate "Untenable" for the Word of 2009.

9 Ojoe  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 10:33:26am

My hope for positive change and leadership knows no bounds.
/

10 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 10:33:33am

Present!

11 Desert Dog  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 10:34:25am

"We are the ones we have been waiting for" - really? You've been waiting for that? You have low expectations then.

12 FrogMarch  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 10:34:32am

Now - It's Hillary Clinton's turn.

[Link: www.ibtimes.com...]

13 MJ  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 10:34:53am

What does this say about Obama's vetting process? You know, the one that the MSM keeps telling us is the best in the entire history of the world.

14 Fat Jolly Penguin  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 10:35:08am

re: #7 Desert Dog

we will overdosing on schadenfreude over the next 4 years

Popcorn too, probably.

15 JimmyTheClaw  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 10:35:12am

You're
An EXTREME Redneck When.....

1.
You let your 14-year-old daughter smoke at the
dinner table in front of her kids.

2.
The Blue Book value of your truck goes up and down
depending on how much gas is in it.


3. You've been married three times and still
have the same in-laws.

4. You think a
woman who is out of your league bowls on a different
night.

5. You wonder how service
stations keep their rest-rooms so clean.


6. Someone in your family died right
after saying,

'Hey,

guys,

watch
this.'

7. You think Dom Perignon is a
Mafia leader.

8. Your wife's hairdo was
once ruined by a ceiling fan.


9.
Your junior prom offered day care.

10.
You think the last words of the Star-Spangled Banner
are

'Gentlemen,

start
your engines. '

11. You lit a
match in the bathroom and your house exploded right off
its wheels.

12. The Halloween pumpkin
on your porch has more teeth than your
spouse.

13. You have to go
outside to get something from the fridge.


14. One of your kids was born on a pool
table.

15. You need one more hole
punched in your card to get a freebie at the House of
Tattoos.

16. You can't get married to
your sweetheart because there's a law against it.


17. You think loading the dishwasher means
getting your wife drunk.

16 NJDhockeyfan  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 10:35:18am

"That's not the Bill Richardson I used to know." ~ BHO

17 rwmofo  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 10:35:25am

So does anyone know exactly what stuck to him?

18 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 10:35:54am

re: #13 MJ

What does this say about Obama's vetting process? You know, the one that the MSM keeps telling us is the best in the entire history of the world.

I'm willing to bet it wasn't a vetting issue. Bill saw or was told something in the inner circle he couldn't live with.

19 FrogMarch  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 10:36:21am

Why is corrupt tax cheat Charlie Rangel still in the Senate? If he had an (R) after his name - he would have been forced out by now.
/stupid question - ethics don't apply to the party of the (D)

20 experiencedtraveller  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 10:36:27am

re: #4 MJ

Does Bill Richardson have a son that the Democrats can give the position to?

Surely there is a long lost Kennedy descendant hanging out in Santa Fe?

21 rawmuse  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 10:36:34am

There are no more "clean" Democrats.

22 She Said  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 10:36:47am

Pay for Play.

23 loppyd  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 10:36:59am

Between this and the Blago/Burris/Reid showdown....

Makes me want to sit back, prop my cowboy boots on desk, light a cigar and grin the biggest of shit eating grins.

BWAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

24 Sharmuta  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 10:37:16am

Heh!

25 avanti  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 10:37:23am

Now if Blanco would follow his example rather then just trying to pee in the pool.

26 jwb7605  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 10:37:27am

re: #18 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

I'm willing to bet it wasn't a vetting issue. Bill saw or was told something in the inner circle he couldn't live with.

That would be refreshing. "Vetting", like a job interview, is a two-way street.

27 rwmofo  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 10:37:50am

re: #19 FrogMarch

Why is corrupt tax cheat Charlie Rangel still in the Senate? If he had an (R) after his name - he would have been forced out by now.
/stupid question - ethics don't apply to the party of the (D)

Well, sometimes you just answer your own questions without any help.

28 Vicious Babushka  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 10:38:08am

So, who will take his place? Jennifer Granholm?

29 FrogMarch  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 10:38:47am

After the collapse of Fannie and Freddie, how is Barney Frank able to show his face?
/another stupid question - praise the holy corrupt (D)

30 itellu3times  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 10:38:48am

So how about Obama withdraws, to spend more time with his family.

31 loppyd  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 10:38:57am

His testimony at confirmation hearings could have been a problem down the road. Or he may have had to plead the 5th....

32 cincinnati_kid37  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 10:39:08am

Did I ever hear the phrase The Most Criminal Administration associated with George Bush? What are they gonna call this one?

33 smokefire  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 10:39:14am

...............HILLARY YOU MAGNIFICANT BITCH.

WHOOOOOOOOHAHAHAHA.

34 [deleted]  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 10:39:30am
35 loppyd  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 10:39:36am

re: #28 Alouette

So, who will take his place? Jennifer Granholm?

That would be disastrous.

36 loppyd  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 10:40:10am

re: #33 smokefire

...............HILLARY YOU MAGNIFICANT BITCH.

WHOOOOOOOOHAHAHAHA.

ROFLMAO!

Payback's a bitch, dough boy.

37 kansas  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 10:40:17am

Now if only Obama would withdraw his nomination. You know, when he actually has to start doing something it'[s gonna be too hard for him.

38 MJ  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 10:40:30am

re: #28 Alouette

So, who will take his place? Jennifer Granholm?

It will be interesting to see if he names another Hispanic.

Won't be a Jew- Obama doesn't have any Jews in his cabinet though some of his advisers are Jewish.

39 CynicalConservative  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 10:40:34am

re: #35 loppyd

That would be disastrous.

Is anything about this incoming administration *not* disastrous?

40 newsjunkie_ky  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 10:40:37am

HAHAHAHAHA! This is so funny. Never liked the man and hope he goes to jail if he broke the law.

41 albusteve  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 10:40:42am

re: #20 experiencedtraveller

Surely there is a long lost Kennedy descendant hanging out in Santa Fe?

gotta be Clinton...what else is there?

42 solomonpanting  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 10:41:04am

Richardson:

"No me puedo"

43 albusteve  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 10:41:09am

re: #28 Alouette

So, who will take his place? Jennifer Granholm?

that's not even funny
/

44 Desert Dog  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 10:41:09am

re: #12 FrogMarch

Now - It's Hillary Clinton's turn.

[Link: www.ibtimes.com...]

One thing sticks out glaringly from that list. All of the Republicans are disgraced and have either resigned or will have to at one point. The opposite is true of the Dems on that list. They are still all "respected" and in key leadership roles....with the exception of Hillary, she is the Sec. of State! It must be a badge of honor to be corrupt!

45 kansas  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 10:41:10am

re: #32 cincinnati_kid37

Did I ever hear the phrase The Most Criminal Administration associated with George Bush? What are they gonna call this one?

The dumbest bunch of motherfuckers to walk the face of the earth?

46 rwmofo  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 10:41:11am

re: #33 smokefire

...............HILLARY YOU MAGNIFICANT BITCH.

WHOOOOOOOOHAHAHAHA.

I think you're on to something. She's not done yet is she?

47 jwb7605  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 10:41:13am

Reid cites "legal authority" to bar Illinois pick

Under the Constitution, Reid said, "We determine who sits in the Senate. And the House (of Representatives) determines who sits in the House. So there's clearly legal authority for us to do whatever we want to do. This goes back for generations."


If that is allowed to stand, voting becomes immaterial, and makes what's going on in Minnesota look like child's play.

48 itellu3times  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 10:41:19am

Charles, two modest sized threads are now taking 99% of CPU. Seems semi-random.

49 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 10:41:38am

re: #34 Iron Fist

I guess that is possible, but Richardson threw the Clintons under the bus as a bid to get into Obama's cabinet. It is passing strange that he would wave off the political payoff that he no doubt feels he is due.

I wonder what he found out. Whatever it is, I doubt that he'll be writing a tell-all book explaining it to the voters.

Meaning whatever it was was pretty big to dump the job he bullied his way into.

I'd expect no tell-all... he wants to still be around when the shit hits the fan and keep his options open to run for president again.

50 gunslingah  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 10:41:51am

Let's see:

Elliott "Client #9" Spitzer
Tim Mahoney
William "Cold Cash" Jefferson
Kwame Kilpatrick
Rod "Bleeping" Blagojevich
Charles Rangel
etc.

And, now, Bill Richardson.

But... but... the Republicans have a "culture of corruption"! Pelosi said so!

51 loppyd  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 10:41:54am

re: #39 CynicalConservative

Is anything about this incoming administration *not* disastrous?

Nope. But the midterms should be vewy vewy intewesting.

52 Killian Bundy  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 10:42:04am
Youtube Video

/can Obama outrun his own bus?

53 smokefire  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 10:42:34am

.............funny when this was announced.
NFL Playoffs, Israel invasion, Sunday

Nahh just a coincidence......Yeah right

54 FrogMarch  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 10:42:42am

re: #44 Desert Dog

One thing sticks out glaringly from that list. All of the Republicans are disgraced and have either resigned or will have to at one point. The opposite is true of the Dems on that list. They are still all "respected" and in key leadership roles....with the exception of Hillary, she is the Sec. of State! It must be a badge of honor to be corrupt!

Bingo.

Corruption on the (D)-side gets you a promotion.

55 MJ  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 10:42:42am

re: #20 experiencedtraveller

Surely there is a long lost Kennedy descendant hanging out in Santa Fe?

Surely there must be a Kennedy descendant out there...have they check the jails for rapists or drug addicts?

56 loppyd  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 10:42:52am

I can't wait for Rush tomorrow.

57 MandyManners  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 10:43:06am

re: #39 CynicalConservative

Is anything about this incoming administration *not* disastrous?

No two women will wear the same dress.

NEW YORK (AFP) – A new website hopes to save guests at president-elect Barack Obama's inauguration balls from the ultimate fashion faux pas -- wearing the same dress as someone else.

Dressregistry.com invites party goers to post the designer, color and length of their outfit chosen for the dozens of January 20 inauguration bashes in Washington, DC.

"Our one goal is to lessen the chance that someone attending the same event as you will be wearing the EXACT same dress," organizers write on the website.

For example, anyone headed to the Commander-in-Chief Ball knows that someone else has got first dibs on a pink, ankle-length Adrianna Pappell dress with a plunging neckline.

SNIP

bbl

58 Joo-LiZ  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 10:43:06am

To echo Israellycool:

The Israeli Genocide = EPIC FAIL!

Youtube Video

Heart-warming video (no pun intended)

59 experiencedtraveller  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 10:43:11am

re: #41 albusteve

gotta be Clinton...what else is there?

Chelsea for Commerce? After all she has star power!

60 rawmuse  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 10:43:35am

re: #29 FrogMarch

After the collapse of Fannie and Freddie, how is Barney Frank able to show his face?
/another stupid question - praise the holy corrupt (D)

Everyone knows that he had nothing to do with that! It was all due to deregulation! The fact that the SEC has 70k pages of existing regulations means nothing! ///

61 loppyd  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 10:43:43am

re: #55 MJ

Surely there must be a Kennedy descendant out there...have they check the jails for rapists or drug addicts?

or pedophiles?

62 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 10:44:30am
would have forced an untenable delay in the confirmation process

WTF!

An untenable delay in a Democratic-controlled Senate says to me that there's something flickering beneath the smoke ... and Richardson knows it.

63 [deleted]  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 10:44:31am
64 freedombilly  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 10:44:36am

The Obama bus is back in service! And gas is cheaper now so look for a good, long ride.

65 cincinnati_kid37  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 10:44:37am

re: #45 kansas

The dumbest bunch of motherfuckers to walk the face of the earth?

We can only hope.!

66 Digital Display  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 10:44:46am

re: #50 gunslingah

Let's see:

Elliott "Client #9" Spitzer
Tim Mahoney
William "Cold Cash" Jefferson
Kwame Kilpatrick
Rod "Bleeping" Blagojevich
Charles Rangel
etc.

And, now, Bill Richardson.

But... but... the Republicans have a "culture of corruption"! Pelosi said so!

Pelosi should have said most of politics is a culture of corruption..Much more accurate

67 VegasRick  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 10:44:49am

re: #60 rawmuse

Everyone knows that he had nothing to do with that! It was all due to deregulation! The fact that the SEC has 70k pages of existing regulations means nothing! ///

Bawney Fwank sucks. Literally sucks.

68 albusteve  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 10:44:53am

re: #59 experiencedtraveller

Chelsea for Commerce? After all she has star power!

BC behind BR throwing in the towel

69 notutopia  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 10:45:01am

Bill Richardson
The Great Fall

Youtube Video
70 smokefire  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 10:45:05am

You can't make this sh*t up.

Obama: er, ah, umm, this is all above my paygrade.

71 Desert Dog  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 10:45:30am

re: #67 VegasRick

Bawney Fwank sucks. Literally sucks.

And, he's a very bad Congressman too!

72 FrogMarch  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 10:45:53am

I give Richardson a little credit for doing the right thing.
A extremely rare trait within the party of the corruptocrat.

73 Dustyvet  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 10:46:06am

re: #55 MJ

Surely there must be a Kennedy descendant out there...have they check the jails for rapists or drug addicts?

Wilie Coyote?


Road Runer 31 - Boulder Wham!

74 loppyd  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 10:46:38am

My step-father's sister lives in NM and they despise Richardson. I'm sure they are eating this up, but then will come to the realization that this means he remains their governor.

75 Dustyvet  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 10:46:45am

re: #73 Dustyvet

Wilie Coyote?

Road Runer 31 - Boulder Wham!

Youtube Video
76 jacksontn  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 10:47:01am

Your tears are delicious Bill Richardson ...back at ya again ...

So Kerry also got in bed with Obama and so far for nothing ...surely he is salivating at the chance to get sloppy seconds on this spot ...

77 kansas  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 10:47:06am

re: #72 FrogMarch

I give Richardson a little credit for doing the right thing.
A extremely rare trait within the party of the corruptocrat.

I bet he did what was best for him as opposed to the right thing. I bet Hillary's got him by the nads.

78 blangwort  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 10:47:11am

re: #49 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

Meaning whatever it was was pretty big to dump the job he bullied his way into.

I'd expect no tell-all... he wants to still be around when the shit hits the fan and keep his options open to run for president again.

Hmm. So we can dredge whatever made him decline the seat in four years? I think Richardson is toast.

79 loppyd  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 10:47:24am

re: #72 FrogMarch

I give Richardson a little credit for doing the right thing.
A extremely rare trait within the party of the corruptocrat.

I tend to think his lawyers had a sit down with him.

80 rwmofo  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 10:47:27am

re: #55 MJ

Surely there must be a Kennedy descendant out there...have they check the jails for rapists or drug addicts?

Teddy will be gone soon, sow we're supposed to be nice. However, I'm going to miss seeing him screaming and slobbering on the senate floor. This was always the way to tell that someone on the right side of the aisle had come up with a really good idea.

81 jones  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 10:48:03am

Can we expect Fitzmas II?

82 lawhawk  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 10:48:15am

Make no mistake of this, Richardson knows that this investigation isn't going to end well for him. It also speaks poorly of Obama to have considered him in the first place given that much of this stuff was already known at the time his name was placed into consideration.

83 DisturbedEma  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 10:48:17am

re: #50 gunslingah

Let's see:

Elliott "Client #9" Spitzer
Tim Mahoney
William "Cold Cash" Jefferson
Kwame Kilpatrick
Rod "Bleeping" Blagojevich
Charles Rangel
etc.

And, now, Bill Richardson.

But... but... the Republicans have a "culture of corruption"! Pelosi said so!


You forgot "The Bra Stuffer". . .

84 VegasRick  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 10:48:29am

re: #71 Desert Dog

And, he's a very bad Congressman too!

Rumor has it that he might be Druish.

85 FrogMarch  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 10:48:32am

re: #60 rawmuse

Everyone knows that he had nothing to do with that! It was all due to deregulation! The fact that the SEC has 70k pages of existing regulations means nothing! ///

Regulations only count when the holy and precious Democrats do the regulating. When the democrats use government entities like Freddie and Fannie for their own personal piggy bank - regulations are not needed. And when the D's are caught with their pants down, all they need to do is call up the media and roll out the "blame the republicans and Bush" meme.

86 kansas  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 10:48:44am

re: #81 jones

Can we expect Fitzmas II?

You could have if Richardson were a Republican.

87 albusteve  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 10:48:48am

re: #72 FrogMarch

I give Richardson a little credit for doing the right thing.
A extremely rare trait within the party of the corruptocrat.

obviously he's hiding some maximum dirt....high politics can cost you your career or even worse nowdays...I am extremely cynical bro....but then maybe I'm deluded!

88 rwmofo  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 10:48:59am

re: #76 jacksontn

Your tears are delicious Bill Richardson ...back at ya again ...

So Kerry also got in bed with Obama and so far for nothing ...surely he is salivating at the chance to get sloppy seconds on this spot ...

Ya know Kerry was the accidental nominee. Kinda like McCain.

89 smokefire  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 10:49:07am

Hillary: opens her little black book.........

Or how about this.

Hillary around a large steaming caldron, stirring it, chanting I will bring them all down, cackling.

90 loppyd  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 10:49:14am

re: #76 jacksontn

Your tears are delicious Bill Richardson ...back at ya again ...

So Kerry also got in bed with Obama and so far for nothing ...surely he is salivating at the chance to get sloppy seconds on this spot ...

That poses a serious conundrum for me. On the one hand, he's no longer my senator. On the other hand, he'd be the freaking commerce secretary and we all know he aint the brightest bulb.

91 DisturbedEma  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 10:49:17am

re: #76 jacksontn

Your tears are delicious Bill Richardson ...back at ya again ...

So Kerry also got in bed with Obama and so far for nothing ...surely he is salivating at the chance to get sloppy seconds on this spot ...

So- the Commerce spot is a sloopy seconds worthy appointment in the new world order. . .?

92 notutopia  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 10:49:19am

re: #58 Joo-LiZ

To echo Israellycool:

The Israeli Genocide = EPIC FAIL!


Heart-warming video (no pun intended)

Beautiful. Thank you for posting this!

93 Dasher  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 10:49:30am

re: #48 itellu3times

Charles, two modest sized threads are now taking 99% of CPU. Seems semi-random.

When does it take 99 % -- Mine is at 10-20 percent.

94 Shug  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 10:49:34am

Is Henry Cisneros available?

95 IslandLibertarian  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 10:49:34am

Ayers, Rezko, Wright, Raines, Blagojavich, Richardson......
"We are the Ones we've been waiting for!"
Got any more?

/I still can't get real with this fiasco.........

96 lifeofthemind  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 10:50:00am

Remember that line in Cat Ballaou?
"Never saw a man go through a day so fast."

The Obama administration is setting a record for having the wheels come off before it even starts. They were touting Richardson as the clean one, as opposed to the obvious Chicago greasy mob. and their link to the Hispanics that shafted McCain after his years of faithful servitude.

97 albusteve  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 10:50:01am

re: #82 lawhawk

Make no mistake of this, Richardson knows that this investigation isn't going to end well for him. It also speaks poorly of Obama to have considered him in the first place given that much of this stuff was already known at the time his name was placed into consideration.

exactly....lot's of bad stuff here

98 loppyd  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 10:50:07am

re: #83 DisturbedEma

You forgot "The Bra Stuffer". . .

Ah yes, Miz Wilkerson....

99 [deleted]  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 10:50:15am
100 debutaunt  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 10:50:31am

re: #13 MJ

What does this say about Obama's vetting process? You know, the one that the MSM keeps telling us is the best in the entire history of the world.

They are still vetting the Palin extended family.

101 loppyd  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 10:50:36am

I don't see how any of this talk is helping Michelle's kids.

102 DisturbedEma  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 10:50:37am

re: #87 albusteve

obviously he's hiding some maximum dirt....high politics can cost you your career or even worse nowdays...I am extremely cynical bro....but then maybe I'm deluded!

Maybe he has a shred of decency. . .and really cares enough about those in his life and his reputation to end the ruse early, and not ride it out to the "that depends on what your definition of the word "si" is. . ."

103 freedomplow  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 10:50:40am

Has the U.S ever had a President elect with this much corruption going on all around him?

Historians?

104 FrogMarch  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 10:50:42am

re: #87 albusteve

obviously he's hiding some maximum dirt....high politics can cost you your career or even worse nowdays...I am extremely cynical bro....but then maybe I'm deluded!

I'm as cynical as they come. You are probably right. There must be some major dirt for this to happen. Either that, or maybe Richardson has a drop of ethics? yeah - I doubt it too.
You live in New Mexico - what is your opinion of Richardson as a Governor?

105 DisturbedEma  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 10:50:55am

re: #94 Shug

Is Henry Cisneros available?

eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee GADS NO!

106 Dustyvet  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 10:51:12am

re: #89 smokefire

Hillary: opens her little black book.........

Or how about this.

Hillary around a large steaming caldron, stirring it, chanting I will bring them all down, cackling.

bubble, bubble, toil and trouble...:)

Image: witch.jpg

107 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 10:51:13am

re: #38 MJ

"Tom Cruise isn't (but I've heard his agent is...)"
Sandler

108 smokefire  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 10:51:16am

"We are the Ones we've been waiting for!"

or We are the people our parents warned us about

109 DisturbedEma  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 10:51:21am

re: #102 DisturbedEma

Maybe he has a shred of decency. . .and really cares enough about those in his life and his reputation to end the ruse early, and not ride it out to the "that depends on what your definition of the word "si" is. . ."

"IS". . .

110 loppyd  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 10:51:31am

re: #103 freedomplow

Has the U.S ever had a President elect with this much corruption going on all around him?

Historians?

Lets get Doris Kearns Goodwin on the line.

NOT!~

111 realwest  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 10:51:36am

Sorry for the re-post but Charles is putting up threads so fast I can't keep up (from the prior thread):

BTW, didja notice on Drudge that I finally got my answer as to what legal grounds the Dem's could refuse to seat Burris?

Under the Constitution, Reid said, "We determine who sits in the Senate. And the House (of Representatives) determines who sits in the House. So there's clearly legal authority for us to do whatever we want to do. This goes back for generations."
Well, that's certainly clear enough for me! Hey, why the hell bother having elections? Blago was elected. Blago hasn't been indicted, arrested or impeached. Like it or not (and personally I'm LOVING IT!) Blago is the legal Governor of Illinois and has all requisite authority to appoint Burris to Obama's Senate Seat. The only reason the Dem's don't want to seat Burris is because they are RACISTS!
Spread the news!

112 lifeofthemind  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 10:51:41am

Richardson had links to Hillary, was mixed up in the cash for secrets to China and the security lapses at the Weapons labs. There is a lot of dicey stuff I think about him.

113 nyc redneck  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 10:52:11am

re: #40 newsjunkie_ky

HAHAHAHAHA! This is so funny. Never liked the man and hope he goes to jail if he broke the law.

i never liked him either. he just never seemed like a strong person. but very self-serving the way he dissed hillary and bill.
the bigger issue for me is, the O's judgment abt. who he associates w/.
how many more will go under the bus after he is done using them.
surely he is breaking records. in choosing crooks, cheats, haters and terrorist types.

114 DisturbedEma  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 10:52:12am

re: #98 loppyd

Ah yes, Miz Wilkerson....

From a AA to a DDD in no time flat. . .:)

115 Digital Display  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 10:52:31am

re: #83 DisturbedEma

You forgot "The Bra Stuffer". . .

You know on the comedy scale..what is funnier?
Marion Barry and the bitch set me up?
Jefferson stuffing a hundred grand in his freezer?
Or that woman stuffing cash down her bra?

116 Jinx  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 10:52:38am

Why is it that Obama's presidency seems to be the most scandal-plagued administration in the history of the United States? And he hasn't even taken the oath yet!

These next several years are going to be very interesting.

Change!

117 NJDhockeyfan  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 10:53:13am

re: #103 freedomplow

Has the U.S ever had a President elect with this much corruption going on all around him?

Historians?

Bill Clinton did didn't he? How many times did he say "I don't know anything about it. The first time I heard about it was when I watched the news this morning."

118 VegasRick  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 10:53:13am

re: #116 Jinx

Why is it that Obama's presidency seems to be the most scandal-plagued administration in the history of the United States? And he hasn't even taken the oath yet!

These next several years are going to be very interesting.

Change!


It's the "Chicago way".

119 loppyd  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 10:53:17am

re: #114 DisturbedEma

From a AA to a DDD in no time flat. . .:)

Actually, her new bra size is 23G. :~)

120 lifeofthemind  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 10:53:17am

Fact is Blago hasn't been indicted and the Illinois legislature refused to ram through a law taking the appointment away. The Senate can vote to expel a member but they'd have to seat him first.

121 Shug  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 10:53:26am

re: #83 DisturbedEma

You forgot "The Bra Stuffer". . .


Sandy Burger?

122 DisturbedEma  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 10:53:47am

re: #108 smokefire

"We are the Ones we've been waiting for!"

or We are the people our parents warned us about

I will take the sesond option. . .with a side of "make sure you are always wearing clean underwear when you go out" as advice my mom gave me that I should have remembered. . .

123 rwmofo  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 10:53:52am

re: #103 freedomplow

Has the U.S ever had a President elect with this much corruption going on all around him?

Historians?

Seems like 14 of the Clintons' friends and business partners were convicted or plead guilty to crimes. But that number was from around '96. It's likely higher now.

124 Dustyvet  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 10:54:03am

re: #108 smokefire

"We are the Ones we've been waiting for!"

or We are the people our parents warned us about

We have met the enemy, and he is us.

Image: kelly_we_have_met_enemy_cvr.jpg

125 Da Coyote  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 10:54:08am

Why throw himself out?

Dishonest - check.
Liar - check.
For illegal immigration - check.
Dhimmicrat - check.
Can barely spell "economics" - check.
Science? Wazzat? - check.

Sounds like a perfect Obamaloon cabinet member.

126 Shug  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 10:54:16am

re: #120 lifeofthemind

Fact is Blago hasn't been indicted and the Illinois legislature refused to ram through a law taking the appointment away. The Senate can vote to expel a member but they'd have to seat him first.


How can the senate vote to expel a lawful appointee, yet allow Ted Stevens to finish his term?

127 Wishing  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 10:54:37am

re: #47 jwb7605

Reid cites "legal authority" to bar Illinois pick


If that is allowed to stand, voting becomes immaterial, and makes what's going on in Minnesota look like child's play.

Wow...elections are utterly out-moded.
This guy needs to get back to square one!

128 Fat Jolly Penguin  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 10:54:51am

re: #103 freedomplow

Has the U.S ever had a President elect with this much corruption going on all around him?

Historians?

Clinton, probably -- especially seeing as most of The ONE's Cabinet are from the Clinton Admin.

129 albusteve  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 10:55:21am

re: #104 FrogMarch

I'm as cynical as they come. You are probably right. There must be some major dirt for this to happen. Either that, or maybe Richardson has a drop of ethics? yeah - I doubt it too.
You live in New Mexico - what is your opinion of Richardson as a Governor?

frankly he can do little harm down here...outside of ABQ and SF people tend to keep to themselves and just survive....he dicked around with the Navajo up north over their new refinery license/regs and now even they dispise him...and they have all the money!....he's way over his head nationally....

130 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 10:55:24am

re: #116 Jinx

Why is it that Obama's presidency seems to be the most scandal-plagued administration in the history of the United States? And he hasn't even taken the oath yet!

These next several years are going to be very interesting.

Change!

President Biden?
Place your bets now, ladies and gentlemen.

131 DisturbedEma  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 10:55:29am

re: #115 HoosierHoops

You know on the comedy scale..what is funnier?
Marion Barry and the bitch set me up?
Jefferson stuffing a hundred grand in his freezer?
Or that woman stuffing cash down her bra?

Bra STUFFING no doubt. . .the female chest is not where NEAR the same shape as a large. . .

And because I have been a lizard too long not to. . .

We should stay abreast of the current situation- the Commerce position should not be a booby prize!

132 realwest  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 10:55:59am

re: #120 lifeofthemind
That's why I posted my #111 above!

133 FrogMarch  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 10:56:12am

re: #111 realwest

Hi Real.

and - Harry Reid is in trouble politically. Every move he makes is a political calculation to keep his job. and yes - they are racists.

134 rawmuse  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 10:57:01am

re: #103 freedomplow

Has the U.S ever had a President elect with this much corruption going on all around him?

Historians?

I think Grant could be a contender.

135 Killian Bundy  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 10:57:08am

re: #111 realwest

Senate Seat Dispute May Head to Court

The extent of that power has been tested before the Supreme Court only once, after the House decided not to seat embattled Democrat Rep. Adam Clayton Powell Jr., in 1967 despite his re-election to the seat. The high court ruled that the chamber could not block Mr. Powell, because he was duly elected and met all of the other constitutional requirements for office.

Mr. Burris would be appointed, however, which could change the equation, Mr. Ritchie said. Senate lawyers are now closely studying the decision in Mr. Powell's case, which was decided by the Supreme Court in 1969.

Paul Sracic, chair of the political science department at Youngstown State University and a professor of constitutional law, said the Supreme Court case "is pretty clear that when judging the qualifications of members, each house is limited to age, citizenship and residency qualifications."

/Reid has no legal standing to deny Burris his Seat

136 realwest  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 10:57:14am

re: #47 jwb7605
Yeah, it's up on Drudge - that's why I re-posted my #111 above!

137 albusteve  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 10:57:21am

re: #129 albusteve

and further here he is a Latino which is insignificant and that's all he is nationally...Clinton used him

138 kansas  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 10:57:56am

and - Harry Reid is in trouble politically. Every move he makes is a political calculation to keep his job. and yes - they are racists.

I suppose we all hate Harry Reid, but I remember when I was thrilled they got rid of Tom Daschle. I'm sure they'll come up with someone even worse when they get rid of him.

139 Dianna  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 10:58:12am

re: #134 rawmuse

I think Grant could be a contender.

Harding?

140 Dasher  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 10:58:14am

Carol Browner the incoming Energy Secretary happens to be Commissioner on "Commission for a Sustainable World Society" of Socialist International
[Link: www.socialistinternational.org...]

141 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 10:58:14am

re: #131 DisturbedEma

I have been a lizard too long

Indeed. I well remember that you were a decent homespun girl when you registered. WE ARE ALL DOOMED!

/teasing

142 rawmuse  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 10:58:20am

re: #135 Killian Bundy
Ironically, Blago has the law on his side.

143 SurferDoc  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 10:58:27am

re: #77 kansas

I bet he did what was best for him as opposed to the right thing. I bet Hillary's got him by the nads.

Exactly! This is a survival move on his part! Some shit is coming down and he figures he had better have the power of the Governor's office in his hands when it does.

144 Dustyvet  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 10:58:28am

re: #134 rawmuse

I think Grant could be a contender.

It's the Chicago Way...

145 realwest  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 10:58:41am

re: #135 Killian Bundy
Yup. The only reason I can think of why Senator Reid would seek to not seat Mr. Burris is because Senator Reid is a RACIST!
LOL!

146 BakaRanger  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 10:58:55am

Where is Diogenes when you need him?

147 smokefire  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 10:58:59am

re: #106 Dustyvet

bubble, bubble, toil and trouble...:)

[Link: walterwoods.files.wordpress.com...]

I'll get you my pretty's.

148 rawmuse  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 10:59:01am

re: #139 Dianna

Harding?

Could be added to the list, IMHO.

149 Killian Bundy  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 10:59:08am

re: #121 Shug

Sandy Burger?

/Dianne Wilkerson

150 DisturbedEma  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 10:59:16am

re: #134 rawmuse

I think Grant could be a contender.

One of the more lasting slogans from history class- Ma Ma, where's my pa? Off the the White House ha ha ha"

Grover Cleveland's child out of wedlock. . .

151 Arby Dwiar  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 10:59:32am

re: #115 HoosierHoops

All right, already - who is this Wilkerson person, anyway? (Wiki provided no clues for me)

152 newsjunkie_ky  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 10:59:45am

re: #113 nyc redneck
the zero is all those things you wrote, so that is why he surrounds himself with like minded cronies.

153 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 10:59:47am

re: #134 rawmuse

I think Grant could be a contender.

Not at the beginning of his term. The corruption (by others in his adminstration, btw, NOT by Grant) came later.

154 kansas  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 10:59:54am

re: #145 realwest

Yup. The only reason I can think of why Senator Reid would seek to not seat Mr. Burris is because Senator Reid is a RACIST!
LOL!

Cmon Harry. Prove you are not a racist. Don't seat Burris or Franken.

155 VegasRick  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 11:00:35am

re: #133 FrogMarch

Hi Real.

and - Harry Reid is in trouble politically. Every move he makes is a political calculation to keep his job. and yes - they are racists.

I can't wait to vote against him..........again.

156 jwb7605  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 11:00:40am

re: #142 rawmuse

Ironically, Blago has the law on his side.

Brit Hume made this point this morning on Fox News Sunday.
Juan Williams really squirmed and squirmed, and couldn't disagree.

I love it when Brit does that to Juan.
I've been taking mental notes on the technique -- works amazingly well when talking to liberals.

157 CapeCoddah  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 11:00:42am

re: #66 HoosierHoops

Pelosi should have said most of politics is a culture of corruption..Much more accurate

Good afternoon everyone!
Hoosier, the problem with that is it would require a thought. Pelosi is way too stupid to figure out how to set a fire with a kiddie pool full of gas and a non-childproof lighter.

158 Desert Dog  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 11:00:55am

re: #103 freedomplow

Has the U.S ever had a President elect with this much corruption going on all around him?

Historians?

I would say to one degree or another...MOST of them....from both parties. Some seem to excel at it more than others though. In the past 100 years you can look at Harding and the Teapot Dome scandal, FDR was a virtual dictator, Kennedy was dirty as hell, so was Nixon, Clinton is the current champion, but that may change in a few weeks.

Let's face it, most of these guys have to "play ball" to advance inside of a party. It is the nature of our current system. It is stable, but reeks of corruption and self-advancing. The first thing these guys do when they get elected is to see how they can keep themselves in power. Then, they start looking at how this new job can benefit them. How many times do you hear about a governor or congressmen or President that left office poorer than they started? How can that be? The pay is ok, but they all seem to leave as millionaires or multi-millionaires if they were already rich.

There are some that still serve with honor. But, look closely at our elected officials. Most of them are there to feather their own nest. Cynical? Yes, very much so. Accurate? Unfortunately, yes.

159 solomonpanting  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 11:01:10am

re: #8 jaunte

I nominate "Untenable" for the Word of 2009.

Phrase of the year:
"pending investigation"

160 Dianna  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 11:01:11am

re: #150 DisturbedEma

One of the more lasting slogans from history class- Ma Ma, where's my pa? Off the the White House ha ha ha"

Grover Cleveland's child out of wedlock. . .

Yes, but - ironically - while Cleveland's personal life was irregular, he was known to be a man of absolute integrity in government. His opponent when he lost the Presidency was the opposite.

Now if I could just remember who that was, off the top of my head, instead of having to search!

161 realwest  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 11:01:29am

re: #133 FrogMarch
Hey FrogMarch - why is Reid in trouble politically? Didn't he block that Yucca Flats location for disposing of nuclear waste (thereby vetoing a unaminous decision of a bi-partisan group of Scentists that said it was THE best place in the USA)? I mean, hell, helping to keep the US from using nuclear power instead of importing oil ought to count for something! LOL!

162 DisturbedEma  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 11:02:04am

re: #141 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Indeed. I well remember that you were a decent homespun girl when you registered. WE ARE ALL DOOMED!

/teasing

Actually, I was a lurker democrat from a loooooong time- linked here from Honest Reporting. . .and finally contacted Charles via the site, since I NEVER got here in time to become a hatched lizard. . .I am actually a C section lizard:)

163 newsjunkie_ky  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 11:02:13am

FoxNews is replaying that special on the kid that left islam.

164 Wishing  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 11:02:15am

re: #156 jwb7605

Brit Hume made this point this morning on Fox News Sunday.
Juan Williams really squirmed and squirmed, and couldn't disagree.

I love it when Brit does that to Juan.
I've been taking mental notes on the technique -- works amazingly well when talking to liberals.

It is that damned Constitution! We need to REWRITE it, more favorably!

165 Digital Display  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 11:02:37am

re: #151 Arby Dwiar

All right, already - who is this Wilkerson person, anyway? (Wiki provided no clues for me)

I dunno.saw the undercover video.. Really funny! I mean if Jefferson would have shoved the 100 grand down her bra instead of a freezer..Nobody would have ever known..

166 Wishing  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 11:03:02am

forgot the / tag!

167 realwest  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 11:03:08am

re: #141 pre-Boomer Marine brat Hey you! Love the new Avatar! ROFL!

168 Killian Bundy  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 11:03:13am

re: #142 rawmuse

Ironically, Blago has the law on his side.

Yes he does.

/he's the lawful Governor of Illinois, not currently charged with or convicted of any crime

169 jwb7605  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 11:03:40am

re: #164 Wishing

It is that damned Constitution! We need to REWRITE it, more favorably!

Have no fear.
On one of the (few) interviews Obama gave during the election, he stated that the Constitution had some flaws.

170 DisturbedEma  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 11:03:43am

re: #160 Dianna

Yes, but - ironically - while Cleveland's personal life was irregular, he was known to be a man of absolute integrity in government. His opponent when he lost the Presidency was the opposite.

Now if I could just remember who that was, off the top of my head, instead of having to search!


Blaine. . .James Blaine. . .

171 Wishing  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 11:04:10am

re: #169 jwb7605

Have no fear.
On one of the (few) interviews Obama gave during the election, he stated that the Constitution had some flaws.

Pompous bastahd!

172 rawmuse  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 11:04:14am

re: #153 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Not at the beginning of his term. The corruption (by others in his adminstration, btw, NOT by Grant) came later.

Starting around 1873, the list of scandals and outright crimes becomes long and continuous.

173 realwest  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 11:04:23am

re: #146 BakaRanger
Well Diogenes hasn't been seen in Chicago in a looong time - obviously knows better than to waste his precious time!

174 Balian1193  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 11:04:24am

Hm, no mention of any political parties in the whole story. This Richardson character must be a democrat I take it?

If it was a scandal about a Republican, then they would of mentioned Republicans at least 3 times.

175 IslandLibertarian  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 11:04:33am

Things I've learned recently:
Don't vote Democrat.
Don't trust Democrats from Chicago.
Don't Vote on basis of race.
Don't put the paint bucket behind you while painting the bathroom. (Disaster averted!)

Now to finish the trim.......

Go Israel!

Good luck Zero..........

176 smokefire  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 11:04:34am

re: #165 HoosierHoops

[Link: www.google.com...]

I am hoping that this is the Dianne Wilkerson we are talking about.

177 debutaunt  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 11:04:34am

re: #109 DisturbedEma

"IS". . .

It's kinda funny the other way.

178 DisturbedEma  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 11:04:41am

re: #169 jwb7605

Have no fear.
On one of the (few) interviews Obama gave during the election, he stated that the Constitution had some flaws.

The living document that needs a PC transfusion STAT. . .

179 albusteve  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 11:04:41am

how sad that this awsome country is so full of talented people...economists and academics and brilliant folks in every field and we get stuck with half baked shmoes like BR for cabinet posts or phoney lying TV actors for Senate seats....American politics is a bottonless cesspool...a black hole....most right thinkers will have nothing to do with it so we suffer from the worst...term limits and tax revolt of some nature maybe the last hope for our democracy

180 Desert Dog  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 11:04:58am

re: #164 Wishing

It is that damned Constitution! We need to REWRITE it, more favorably!

No need to re-write it.....after all, it's a "living document" that has to change with the times, right? I mean what do all those dead white guys know about the USA in 2009? Slave owning bigots, all them. We are much wiser and see things much more clearly than those powdered-wig racists.....we just need to "tweak" that moldy old piece of paper to suite our needs now....

/Democrat off

181 avanti  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 11:05:02am

re: #127 Wishing

Wow...elections are utterly out-moded.
This guy needs to get back to square one!

If he had been elected, not appointed by a corrupt Governor, the Senate would not choice but to seat him.

182 kansas  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 11:05:06am

re: #169 jwb7605

Have no fear.
On one of the (few) interviews Obama gave during the election, he stated that the Constitution had some flaws.

re: #169 jwb7605

Have no fear.
On one of the (few) interviews Obama gave during the election, he stated that the Constitution had some flaws.

I read some of his law school test questions. I doubt he has much idea about the Constitution as he seems to be stuck on diversity, gayness, and racial discrimination.

183 DisturbedEma  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 11:05:16am

re: #177 debutaunt

It's kinda funny the other way.

Si, mucho!

184 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 11:05:28am

re: #162 DisturbedEma

Actually, I was a lurker democrat from a loooooong time- linked here from Honest Reporting. . .and finally contacted Charles via the site, since I NEVER got here in time to become a hatched lizard. . .I am actually a C section lizard:)

... :D ... In truth, I was just taking a free shot from out beyond the left-field wall

Sounds like a very interesting history.

185 abolitionist  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 11:05:44am

OT: re: #19 FrogMarch

Why is corrupt tax cheat Charlie Rangel still in the Senate? If he had an (R) after his name - he would have been forced out by now.
/stupid question - ethics don't apply to the party of the (D)

And in a significant way, he's in this very-old-news story, not about taxes:
NYPD Confronted Radical Islam In 1972

186 [deleted]  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 11:05:46am
187 smokefire  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 11:05:49am

OK, I've had enough fun for one day.

Time for important stuff, like NFL playoffs, and war news.

188 BakaRanger  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 11:05:50am

re: #173 realwest

Left Chi-town heading for Minn.

189 Dustyvet  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 11:06:37am

Hey Great idea, let Obama name John Kerry to Ambassador to Gaza...

190 DisturbedEma  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 11:06:45am

re: #184 pre-Boomer Marine brat

... :D ... In truth, I was just taking a free shot from out beyond the left-field wall

Sounds like a very interesting history.

My Zionism, my logic and my sense of fair play got me kicked out of the "new" democratic party. . .oh, and OF COURSE my in your face support of Sarah Palin. . .:)

191 jwb7605  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 11:07:16am

re: #172 rawmuse

Starting around 1873, the list of scandals and outright crimes becomes long and continuous.

I think it starts long before that.
Aaron Burr

From Valley Forge to treason.

192 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 11:07:29am

re: #167 realwest

Hey you! Love the new Avatar! ROFL!

I'll be going back to my stars when the IDF's ground offensive is over.

This one got put up this morning. It's in honor of Hamas.

/you probably get the idea ... :D

193 FrogMarch  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 11:07:51am

re: #129 albusteve

....he's way over his head nationally....

Agreed.

194 Desert Dog  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 11:08:30am

re: #189 Dustyvet

Hey Great idea, let Obama name John Kerry to Ambassador to Gaza...

We can make him the new Ambassador to Iran. With one condition, of course, he has to hold up this "giant target" when he gets there.....

195 DisturbedEma  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 11:08:37am

re: #191 jwb7605

I think it starts long before that.
Aaron Burr

From Valley Forge to treason.

And HAMILTON get the "he killed him" as his footnote in history. . .when, in truth, his was a really interesting voice in the creation of the system. . .my 20 year old LOVES Hamilton's ideals. . .sigh

196 lifeofthemind  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 11:08:47am

re: #126 Shug

How can the senate vote to expel a lawful appointee, yet allow Ted Stevens to finish his term?

Because the Constitution says so. Emphases added.
Art I sec 3.2: ... and if Vacancies happen by Resignation, or otherwise, during the Recess of the Legislature of any State, the Executive thereof may make temporary Appointments until the next Meeting of the Legislature, which shall then fill such Vacancies.

Art I sec 5 sec 5: Each House shall be the judge of the elections, returns and qualifications of its own members, and a majority of each shall constitute a quorum to do business; but a smaller number may adjourn from day to day, and may be authorized to compel the attendance of absent members, in such manner, and under such penalties as each House may provide.
Each House may determine the rules of its proceedings, punish its members for disorderly behavior, and, with the concurrence of two thirds, expel a member.
Each House shall keep a journal of its proceedings, and from time to time publish the same, excepting such parts as may in their judgment require secrecy; and the yeas and nays of the members of either House on any question shall, at the desire of one fifth of those present, be entered on the journal.
Neither House, during the session of Congress, shall, without the consent of the other, adjourn for more than three days, nor to any other place than that in which the two Houses shall be sitting.

Amendment XVII
The Senate of the United States shall be composed of two Senators from each State, elected by the people thereof, for six years; and each Senator shall have one vote. The electors in each State shall have the qualifications requisite for electors of the most numerous branch of the State legislatures.
When vacancies happen in the representation of any State in the Senate, the executive authority of each State shall issue writs of election to fill such vacancies: Provided, That the legislature of any State may empower the executive thereof to make temporary appointments until the people fill the vacancies by election as the legislature may direct.
This amendment shall not be so construed as to affect the election or term of any Senator chosen before it becomes valid as part of the Constitution.

Legally Blago has a case, the text says he "shall" issue a writ of election. Reid also has a case since he has the power to expel with 67 votes but the chamber can judge the qualification of a member and the validity of the election with a simple majority.

197 rwmofo  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 11:09:01am

re: #174 Balian1193

Hm, no mention of any political parties in the whole story. This Richardson character must be a democrat I take it?

If it was a scandal about a Republican, then they would of mentioned Republicans at least 3 times.

Typically "Republican" will be the first word or, worst case, at least in the first sentence.

198 rawmuse  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 11:09:21am

Later, Lizards. I am off to do some dude shopping (woodworking stuff).

199 jwb7605  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 11:10:09am

re: #182 kansas

I read some of his law school test questions. I doubt he has much idea about the Constitution as he seems to be stuck on diversity, gayness, and racial discrimination.

He is a "constitutional scholar" (and/or attorney, etc).
The canard I've seen over my lifetime and in reading history is that when a term like that gets applied, the science is settled, to mix a metaphor.

200 lifeofthemind  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 11:10:21am

re: #132 realwest

That's why I posted my #111 above!

I am not a lawyer, I don't even get to play one on TV but I'd like to.

201 J.S.  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 11:10:25am

re: #158 Desert Dog

hmmmm....(just a contrarian note, in support of the U.S. system -- would you prefer, say, a parlimentary system in which there is all sorts of reported and known corruption/cronyism/cover-ups, yet nothing whatsoever is done about it? all just swept under the rug and forgotten...in other words, at least in the U.S. --say Teapot Dome
Scandal, etc, people are indicted, go to court, and the guilty are convicted and go to jail...unlike some other nation-states, whereby the guilty get off scott-free and celebrate their criminal behavior...(of course, it's not a perfect system...but i think it's one of the best, given all the others...)

202 loppyd  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 11:10:28am

I'm off to Whole Foods Paycheck....

203 Balian1193  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 11:10:35am

I think Reid has no problem getting 67 votes to prevent Blago's nomination from seating in the Senate.

204 Shug  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 11:10:42am

re: #196 lifeofthemind

Thanks for the info.
I guess I was asking how can they kick out one crook, and keep another.

205 DisturbedEma  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 11:10:44am

re: #194 Desert Dog

We can make him the new Ambassador to Iran. With one condition, of course, he has to hold up this "giant target"American flag when he gets there.....

And bask in how much they love us with dear leader elected. . .

206 experiencedtraveller  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 11:10:59am

re: #195 DisturbedEma

Hamilton led the infantry assault at Yorktown when he was already a made man.

/He coulda sat that one out...

207 nyc redneck  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 11:11:02am

re: #163 newsjunkie_ky

FoxNews is replaying that special on the kid that left islam.

i'm watching. i'm curious to see if he is sincere. i'm wondering if there is an angle other than him truly having an epiphany.

208 solomonpanting  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 11:11:26am

Meanwhile, back at the front:

Israeli forces bisect Gaza, surround biggest city

Israeli ground troops and tanks cut swaths through the Gaza Strip early Sunday, cutting the coastal territory into two and surrounding its biggest city as the new phase of a devastating offensive against Hamas militants gained momentum.

209 DisturbedEma  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 11:11:33am

re: #197 rwmofo

Typically "Republican" will be the first word or, worst case, at least in the first sentence.

"disgraced" added in my paper whenever possible. . .

210 DisturbedEma  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 11:12:31am

re: #208 solomonpanting

Meanwhile, back at the front:

Israeli forces bisect Gaza, surround biggest city

GO IDF! Get THOSE BASTARDS!

211 Desert Dog  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 11:12:35am

re: #201 J.S.

I support our system....I think the Parliamentary system is flawed. I am just pointing out the nature of politicians, in general. The checks and balances of our system make it perfect for our needs. I just wish the people we have running it had more character and morals, that's all.

212 Killian Bundy  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 11:12:47am

re: #178 DisturbedEma

The living document

That is so much bull[expletive deleted]! You know, if the Constitution isn't keeping up with the needs of the People of the United States, there are clearly outlined procedures for changing it.

/and LLL judicial activism ain't one of them

213 DisturbedEma  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 11:13:12am

re: #212 Killian Bundy

That is so much bull[expletive deleted]! You know, if the Constitution isn't keeping up with the needs of the People of the United States, there are clearly outlined procedures for changing it.

/and LLL judicial activism ain't one of them

I know I know. . .retches me out too. . .

214 albusteve  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 11:13:23am

re: #211 Desert Dog

I support our system....I think the Parliamentary system is flawed. I am just pointing out the nature of politicians, in general. The checks and balances of our system make it perfect for our needs. I just wish the people we have running it had more character and morals, that's all.

it's really just that simple

215 kansas  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 11:13:50am

re: #199 jwb7605

He is a "constitutional scholar" (and/or attorney, etc).
The canard I've seen over my lifetime and in reading history is that when a term like that gets applied, the science is settled, to mix a metaphor.

Well I have seen "Islamic Scholars" giving arguments about how many times a man should beat his wife. I'm pretty sure you are right though, it's settled. Course looks like he's being something less than brilliant. The only one President at a time canard will not fly for much longer. Wonder if he will want a raise to weigh in on the Palestinians.

216 Dianna  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 11:13:56am

re: #206 experiencedtraveller

Hamilton led the infantry assault at Yorktown when he was already a made man.

/He coulda sat that one out...

Hamilton was a great man.

217 FrogMarch  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 11:15:52am

re: #185 abolitionist

OT:

And in a significant way, he's in this very-old-news story, not about taxes:
NYPD Confronted Radical Islam In 1972

The turn of events after this officer distress call has become perhaps the most legendary story in NYPD history. Police entered the Mosque and a conflict occurred, leaving Office Cardillo dead, and the city on the brink of a full-scale riot. Sensing a potential crisis and conflict with the Nation of Islam and the Black Liberation Army, New York City Mayor John Lindsey, Commissioner Benjamin Ward, and Congressman Charles Rangel acquiesced to the city’s black leaders and ordered the police out of the Mosque.

interesting.

218 lawhawk  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 11:15:53am

re: #208 solomonpanting

Israel has cut Gaza into three parts - two major columns splitting Gaza into areas of operation.

219 jwb7605  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 11:16:24am

re: #215 kansas

Well I have seen "Islamic Scholars" giving arguments about how many times a man should beat his wife. I'm pretty sure you are right though, it's settled. Course looks like he's being something less than brilliant. The only one President at a time canard will not fly for much longer. Wonder if he will want a raise to weigh in on the Palestinians.

Many current prominent figures will look like bleeping idiots in sixty years.
Who they are and why that is will depend largely on who gets to rewrite history.

220 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 11:16:53am

re: #172 rawmuse

Starting around 1873, the list of scandals and outright crimes becomes long and continuous.

Yes, his Administration all but created the definition of "scandal plagued". Wikipedia's write-up reflects what I read decades ago.

I'm hardly an expert on Grant in later life, but his single-minded focus on the battlefield may have carried over into his terms in the White House. Not good. A politician needs a different type of mindset than a field commander.

221 realwest  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 11:17:11am

re: #196 lifeofthemind
How do you figure Reid has 67 votes? And even if he DID have 67 votes, the qualifications for being a senator are met by Mr. Burris, I believe.

222 lifeofthemind  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 11:18:02am

re: #185 abolitionist

OT:

And in a significant way, he's in this very-old-news story, not about taxes:
NYPD Confronted Radical Islam In 1972

Thank you for posting this.

223 realwest  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 11:18:51am

re: #200 lifeofthemind
Well I am a lawyer, that's why I posted #221 above!
But wouldn't mind playing one on TV either - I hear the pay is FABULOUS!
lol!

224 SurferDoc  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 11:18:52am

re: #220 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Yes, his Administration all but created the definition of "scandal plagued". Wikipedia's write-up reflects what I read decades ago.

I'm hardly an expert on Grant in later life, but his single-minded focus on the battlefield may have carried over into his terms in the White House. Not good. A politician needs a different type of mindset than a field commander.

I always thought it was sad that a great general and an arguably good man wound up in a job that he was completely unsuited for and had his reputation ruined.

225 avanti  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 11:18:56am

re: #169 jwb7605

Have no fear.
On one of the (few) interviews Obama gave during the election, he stated that the Constitution had some flaws.

It did have flaws, that's why it's been amended, the framers never considered slaves as citizens for example. The interview you mentioned discussed here:

Obama interview

226 Balian1193  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 11:19:20am

re: #221 realwest

You seriously don't think he has enough Democrats and Republicans that are sick of this situation?

227 Bobblehead  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 11:19:53am

Obama is going to need one of these to keep up with all his sacrificial victims, willing and unwilling. Somewhere there's a joke in all the flames and exhaust coming out the back. Somebody run with it.

228 jwb7605  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 11:20:17am

re: #220 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Yes, his Administration all but created the definition of "scandal plagued". Wikipedia's write-up reflects what I read decades ago.

I'm hardly an expert on Grant in later life, but his single-minded focus on the battlefield may have carried over into his terms in the White House. Not good. A politician needs a different type of mindset than a field commander.

Many people would disagree with that in the case of Teddy Roosevelt and Dwight Eisenhour.
I kept my silence when many people also wanted David Petraeus in some political office.

Field commanders who have a good sense of social reality usually do well.

229 solomonpanting  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 11:20:22am

re: #218 lawhawk

Israel has cut Gaza into three parts - two major columns splitting Gaza into areas of operation.

Thanks for the update.
Pipe DreamPerhaps Israel can divide Gaza into a thousand pieces, like a jigsaw puzzle, box it and ship it one way to space as toxic waste. Throw in the UN as a bonus.

230 Rexatosis  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 11:21:17am

re: # 103 Freedomplow

All presidential administrations have corruption, it is part of the nature of all human institutions but the problems President-Elect Obama is having prior to taking the oath of office is pretty unprecedented. The Blago mess, (usually such things have been pretty much worked out within the party prior to the election-not as an afterthought-see VP-elect Biden's seat), now Richardson (a federal investigation is tough to miss, nanny-gate/smoked a joint type stuff can sneak up on the vetting process, but a federal investigation...), the leaking of the Obama-Bush meetings (just bad form and it will not be forgotten by professionals). This is basic politics 101 stuff, not crisis control with a zillion variables. It does make one wonder if the Obama team is ready for the big time.

231 realwest  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 11:21:22am

re: #212 Killian Bundy
Fucking A, Killian!
Uh, y'all that's legalese meaning Spot on! Don't like the Constitution, amend it; don't "change it" by Excecutive Fiat or judicial imagination.

232 jwb7605  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 11:21:45am

re: #225 avanti

It did have flaws, that's why it's been amended, the framers never considered slaves as citizens for example. The interview you mentioned discussed here:

Obama interview

If you regard an omission as a flaw, I agree.
In my opinion, when the Constitution has no further omissions, it will be flawed.

233 lifeofthemind  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 11:21:45am

re: #221 realwest

How do you figure Reid has 67 votes? And even if he DID have 67 votes, the qualifications for being a senator are met by Mr. Burris, I believe.

I do not know if he does. Franken will still be in court I hope, the Maine Republicans are assumed to be all but caucusing with the Democrats, but 67 is a stretch. Burris, who I do not support on policy issues, is without a doubt far more qualified than most of the United States Senate.

234 experiencedtraveller  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 11:22:05am

re: #220 pre-Boomer Marine brat

... but his single-minded focus on the battlefield may have carried over into his terms in the White House. Not good. A politician needs a different type of mindset than a field commander.

Isn't it fascinating that Grant concluded his monumental autobiography with the end of the Civil War?

235 [deleted]  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 11:23:03am
236 realwest  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 11:24:22am

re: #226 Balian1193
Nope, I don't think he even has all the Dems on board, much less enough RINO's to help out. To repeat: Blago is still the lawful govenor of Illinois. He has the right to appoint someone to take over Obama's senate seat. Blago has not been indicted, arrested, nor impeached.
Tough luck all the way around for Obama and the Dems.

237 Steffan  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 11:24:25am

re: #47 jwb7605

Reid cites "legal authority" to bar Illinois pick


If that is allowed to stand, voting becomes immaterial, and makes what's going on in Minnesota look like child's play.

I think Reid might be hosed on this.

Article 1 of the Constitution (annotated) (PDF file) shows there is a lot of case law against him, primarily being that of the case of Adam Clayton Powell. Scroll down to page 114.

Exclusivity of Constitutional Qualifications
Congressional Additions.—Writing in The Federalist with
reference to the election of Members of Congress, Hamilton firmly
stated that ‘‘[t]he qualifications of the persons who may . . . be chosen
. . . are defined and fixed in the constitution; and are unalterable
by the legislature.’’ Until the Civil War, the issue was not
raised, the only actions taken by either House conforming to the
idea that the qualifications for membership could not be enlarged
by statute or practice. 317 But in the passions aroused by the fratricidal
conflict, Congress enacted a law requiring its members to
take an oath that they had never been disloyal to the National
Government. 318 Several persons were refused seats by both Houses
because of charges of disloyalty, 319 and thereafter House practice,
and Senate practice as well, was erratic. 320 But in Powell v.
McCormack, 321 it was conclusively established that the qualifications
listed in cl. 2 are exclusive 322 and that Congress could not
add to them by excluding Members-elect not meeting the additional
qualifications. 323

Relevant footnotes:

321 395 U.S. 486 (1969). The Court divided eight to one, Justice Stewart dissenting on the ground the case was moot. Powell’s continuing validity was affirmed in U.S. Term Limits, Inc. v. Thornton, 514 U.S. 779 (1995), both by the Court in its holding that the qualifications set out in the Constitution are exclusive and may not be added to by either Congress or the States, id. at 787–98, and by the dissent, who would hold that Congress, for different reasons could not add to qualifications, although the States could. Id. at 875–76.
322 The Court declined to reach the question whether the Constitution in fact does impose other qualifications. 395 U.S. at 520 n. 41 (possibly Article I, § 3, cl. 7, disqualifying persons impeached, Article I, § 6, cl. 2, incompatible offices, and § 3 of the Fourteenth Amendment). It is also possible that the oath provision of Article VI, cl. 3, could be considered a qualification. See Bond v. Floyd, 385 U.S. 116, 129–131 (1966).

238 zombie  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 11:25:50am

I'd like to share with you all a comment (which I've since deleted) left by someone on the YouTube thread about my video of the Palestinian protest in SF yesterday. This guy's got all bases covered -- the ultimate anti-Lizardoid! :

-------

Death to America, Democracy, and Israel!

Free Palestine. Nuke Israel!

Stop U.S. sending our pennies and dimes to fund Israeli crimes!

Open your borders America!

Join our struggle and support Socialism and Jihad!

Heil Obama! Heil Hamas, Hiebollah, and Iran! Heil the Aryan race!

Join our protestors in the streets to help the children of Palestine!

We are the new majority in the USA and soon your families will all be slaughtered like dogs! George Bush can't save you now

-------

239 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 11:25:58am

re: #224 SurferDoc

I always thought it was sad that a great general and an arguably good man wound up in a job that he was completely unsuited for and had his reputation ruined.

In a sense, yes, his reputation was ruined. As far as I'm concerned, he will always be the man who destroyed three Confederate armies. He and Lee were quite different, but they were truly great generals, each in his own way.

*salute*

240 realwest  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 11:26:23am

Woops, lunch calls ( yeah I know) so I'm outta here for a while.
Hope I get the chance to see you all later down the road.

241 lifeofthemind  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 11:26:33am

Two parts or three? I have read conflicting accounts, one armored column went to the south, not to cut in pieces but to secure the border and cut off the tunnels, the other columns are surrounding Gaza city and controlling the launching sites to the north, in about a week we should get the whole story.

242 gclaghorn  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 11:27:16am

re: #238 zombie

I'd like to share with you all a comment (which I've since deleted) left by someone on the YouTube thread about my video of the Palestinian protest in SF yesterday. This guy's got all bases covered -- the ultimate anti-Lizardoid! :

-------

Death to America, Democracy, and Israel!

Free Palestine. Nuke Israel!

Stop U.S. sending our pennies and dimes to fund Israeli crimes!

Open your borders America!

Join our struggle and support Socialism and Jihad!

Heil Obama! Heil Hamas, Hiebollah, and Iran! Heil the Aryan race!

Join our protestors in the streets to help the children of Palestine!

We are the new majority in the USA and soon your families will all be slaughtered like dogs! George Bush can't save you now

-------

Charming person.

/

243 Killgore Trout  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 11:28:00am

re: #238 zombie

Nice example of leftist-Islamist moronic convergence.

244 Desert Dog  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 11:28:02am

re: #238 zombie

That's a very thoughtful and profound post. I hope the mental hospital he escaped from finds him soon and gets him back on his meds as soon as possible.

245 [deleted]  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 11:28:02am
246 avanti  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 11:28:10am

re: #232 jwb7605

If you regard an omission as a flaw, I agree.
In my opinion, when the Constitution has no further omissions, it will be flawed.

In the interview Obama called it a remarkable political document, and I agree. That the framers could write a document over 200 years ago that could survive to this day with only minor revisions is more then remarkable.

247 Bobblehead  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 11:28:34am

re: #238 zombie

248 solomonpanting  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 11:28:34am

re: #235 Iron Fist

Will the Mohammedans throw all of Hamasistan off a building now that Hamasistan is bisectual? Heh™

They should make Ramallah look like Stalingrad after the Nazis surrendered. Just not losing as many troops as Stalin did in the process.


It would be a great thing, indeed, if Israel's attack in Gaza made the West Bank think twice about Hamas-like terror. The 'evil wall' has all but put a stop to suicide -vested interests.

249 jaunte  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 11:28:39am

re: #238 zombie

"We are the new majority in the USA and soon your families will all be slaughtered like dogs!"

Well, that's it then. Game over. Might as well surrender. He's got me convinced.

250 Dianna  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 11:28:42am

re: #238 zombie

I'd like to share with you all a comment (which I've since deleted) left by someone on the YouTube thread about my video of the Palestinian protest in SF yesterday. This guy's got all bases covered -- the ultimate anti-Lizardoid! :

-------

Death to America, Democracy, and Israel!

Free Palestine. Nuke Israel!

Stop U.S. sending our pennies and dimes to fund Israeli crimes!

Open your borders America!

Join our struggle and support Socialism and Jihad!

Heil Obama! Heil Hamas, Hiebollah, and Iran! Heil the Aryan race!

Join our protestors in the streets to help the children of Palestine!

We are the new majority in the USA and soon your families will all be slaughtered like dogs! George Bush can't save you now

-------

I have a terrible feeling whoever wrote that thought they were being ironic and humorous.

251 Shug  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 11:28:44am

re: #238 zombie

I'd like to share with you all a comment (which I've since deleted) left by someone on the YouTube thread about my video of the Palestinian protest in SF yesterday. This guy's got all bases covered -- the ultimate anti-Lizardoid! :

-------

Death to America, Democracy, and Israel!

Free Palestine. Nuke Israel!

Stop U.S. sending our pennies and dimes to fund Israeli crimes!

Open your borders America!

Join our struggle and support Socialism and Jihad!

Heil Obama! Heil Hamas, Hiebollah, and Iran! Heil the Aryan race!

Join our protestors in the streets to help the children of Palestine!

We are the new majority in the USA and soon your families will all be slaughtered like dogs! George Bush can't save you now

-------


He never stated if he prefers Yankees or Red Sox

252 MrPaulRevere  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 11:29:17am

I was never a fan of Bill Richardson, he was a horrible Sec. of Energy. If I recall correctly the Los Alamos nuclear weapons lab had severe security lapses on his watch and the ChiComs obtained several warhead blueprints. Good riddance to bad rubbish.

253 AmericanMe  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 11:29:18am

re: #42 solomonpanting

Richardson:

"No me puedo"

Close...."no se pudo."

254 lifeofthemind  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 11:29:24am

re: #236 realwest

Nope, I don't think he even has all the Dems on board, much less enough RINO's to help out. To repeat: Blago is still the lawful govenor of Illinois. He has the right to appoint someone to take over Obama's senate seat. Blago has not been indicted, arrested, nor impeached.
Tough luck all the way around for Obama and the Dems.

He has been arrested, just not indicted. A mere arrest means little, it is the opinion of a law enforcement officer that a crime may have taken place.

255 jwb7605  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 11:29:47am

re: #237 Steffan

I think Reid might be hosed on this.

Article 1 of the Constitution (annotated) (PDF file) shows there is a lot of case law against him, primarily being that of the case of Adam Clayton Powell. Scroll down to page 114.

Technically, of course, you are absolutely correct.
Many people expect this to go all the way to the Supreme Court.

... you know, the group that came up scholarly decisions with regard to the "Takings" law, and disallowed some, but not all, of the McCain-Feingold issues ...

256 [deleted]  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 11:30:07am
257 albusteve  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 11:30:16am

re: #234 experiencedtraveller

Isn't it fascinating that Grant concluded his monumental autobiography with the end of the Civil War?

the corruption within the Grant admin let to the failure of the banking system which killed the western railroads badly needed for expantion...to drum up cash the railroads and Feds simply ignored most treaties in place with the Sioux and Cheyene...gave that land away to the railroads which was sold....ending any decent rez system for the Indians which ultimately led to their near total destruction....bankers wiped out the American Plains Tribes....

258 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 11:30:49am

re: #228 jwb7605

Many people would disagree with that in the case of Teddy Roosevelt and Dwight Eisenhour.
I kept my silence when many people also wanted David Petraeus in some political office.

Field commanders who have a good sense of social reality usually do well.

You make good points, but re Grant, I was speaking of his peculiar single-minded focus. He was like a pit bull. He didn't let go.

IIRC, (after 2nd Wilderness, if not before) Bobby Lee knew his only chance was to stave off defeat as long as possible.

259 greenmiler  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 11:30:54am

re: #238 zombie

I'd like to share with you all a comment (which I've since deleted) left by someone on the YouTube thread about my video of the Palestinian protest in SF yesterday. This guy's got all bases covered -- the ultimate anti-Lizardoid! :

-------

Death to America, Democracy, and Israel!

Free Palestine. Nuke Israel!

Stop U.S. sending our pennies and dimes to fund Israeli crimes!

Open your borders America!

Join our struggle and support Socialism and Jihad!

Heil Obama! Heil Hamas, Hiebollah, and Iran! Heil the Aryan race!

Join our protestors in the streets to help the children of Palestine!

We are the new majority in the USA and soon your families will all be slaughtered like dogs! George Bush can't save you now

-------

Did Christian Amanpour forgot to sign it?

260 Killian Bundy  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 11:31:00am

re: #231 realwest

Don't like the Constitution, amend it; don't "change it" by Excecutive Fiat or judicial imagination.

Penumbra

Main Entry: pen·um·bra
Pronunciation: pə-ˈnəm-brə
Function: noun

/an imaginary place where LLL Justices find imaginary law, see also: pulling [expletive deleted] out of there asses

261 [deleted]  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 11:31:06am
262 gclaghorn  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 11:31:26am

re: #238 zombie

Did you let him know that, thanks to modern medicine, there are now drugs that can cure that kind of chronic schizophrenia?

263 Dianna  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 11:31:31am

re: #256 captain joe

You're confusing your tin-foil narratives.

264 [deleted]  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 11:31:58am
265 DisturbedEma  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 11:32:22am

re: #235 Iron Fist

Will the Mohammedans throw all of Hamasistan off a building now that Hamasistan is bisectual? Heh™

They should make Ramallah look like Stalingrad after the Nazis surrendered. Just not losing as many troops as Stalin did in the process.

Never happen in this day and age. . .it is a different world now. . .ironic and sad for sure. . .

266 [deleted]  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 11:32:33am
267 lifeofthemind  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 11:33:01am

re: #238 zombie

I'd like to share with you all a comment (which I've since deleted) left by someone on the YouTube thread about my video of the Palestinian protest in SF yesterday. This guy's got all bases covered -- the ultimate anti-Lizardoid! :

-------

Death to America, Democracy, and Israel!

blah blah blah

Child, needs to to be publicly exposed, pants down and spanked, I get short tempered when people act "edgy" and snarky in here also.

268 Dianna  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 11:33:05am

re: #257 albusteve

You have a point, but, really, the destruction of the American Indian came in the first trader's pack.

Buying things but not learning to make those things is a fast road to destruction.

269 J.S.  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 11:33:06am

re: #238 zombie

"Heil ... Hiebollah" ? sounds like some kind of disease...

270 [deleted]  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 11:33:17am
271 Killian Bundy  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 11:33:33am

re: #243 Killgore Trout

Nice example of leftist-Islamist moronic convergence.

/and you're scared of Sarah Palin

272 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 11:33:47am

re: #238 zombie

LOL!
There's absolutely no way to know where that idiot's coming from!
CLASSIC!
Thanks.

273 [deleted]  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 11:34:08am
274 debutaunt  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 11:34:10am

re: #266 Shug

oh good.
another 4 to 8 years of wild conspiracy theories.

kewl

Loose Change has been taken - how about Loose Brains?

275 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 11:34:11am

re: #238 zombie

How sweet. I wish I could be as open minded and progressive.

276 jwb7605  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 11:34:26am

re: #258 pre-Boomer Marine brat

You make good points, but re Grant, I was speaking of his peculiar single-minded focus. He was like a pit bull. He didn't let go.

IIRC, (after 2nd Wilderness, if not before) Bobby Lee knew his only chance was to stave off defeat as long as possible.

That's why I remained silent about Petraeus. I don't have a read on the guy in the sense of connecting with "the people", and I have absolutely no idea on his approaches/opinions on a lot of non-military issues.

On Grant, there's little room for argument. He liked good whiskey.

277 DisturbedEma  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 11:34:28am

re: #271 Killian Bundy

/and you're scared of Sarah Palin

Yeah nothing more frightening than a tart "you betcha"

shudder. . .shake. . .shudder////

278 Dianna  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 11:34:46am

re: #274 debutaunt

Loose Change has been taken - how about Loose Brains?

That's merely descriptive.

279 Killgore Trout  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 11:34:50am

re: #271 Killian Bundy

I'm not scared of her I just think she stinks.

280 zombie  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 11:34:56am

re: #250 Dianna

I have a terrible feeling whoever wrote that thought they were being ironic and humorous.

I thought about that possibility, but no -- if you checked his account, you'd see that he really seems to be sincere about his belief "system."

281 albusteve  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 11:35:22am

re: #268 Dianna

You have a point, but, really, the destruction of the American Indian came in the first trader's pack.

Buying things but not learning to make those things is a fast road to destruction.

they agreed to go to reservations...most did...they were huge and sufficed the needs of the upper west tribes...they were willing...read the original treaties...they were never expected to become like white men...they were lied to at every turn

282 DisturbedEma  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 11:35:23am

re: #279 Killgore Trout

I'm not scared of her I just think she stinks.

Al Gore says it best. . .Sigh

283 Shug  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 11:35:33am

re: #270 DisturbedEma

I thought Brown died in a plane crash. . .Foster was the shot guy, wan't he?


Brown died in a plane crash. There were questions raised about a hole in his head.
Many people who die in plane crashes have holes in their heads.
of course, the runway navigational beacon was moved and placed on a mountaintop

Vince Foster was the guy who shot himeslf in the mouth, then walked about 300 yards through the dirt, and cleaned all the dirt off his shoes before placing the gun in his thumb and getting brown autumn leaves in the middle of summer

284 Athens Runaway  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 11:35:51am

re: #270 DisturbedEma

Ron Brown- Clinton used his psychic plane-crashing powers to suicide
Vince Foster- Clinton used his psychic mind-changing powers to suicide him

(According to Alex Jones, of course)

285 avanti  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 11:35:53am

re: #245 Iron Fist

I absolute hate it when Leftists try this bullshit. The three/fifths compromise was intended to be a check on Slave States' power. The slaveholders were all for the slaves counting for determining how many Congressmen they had. The Free States wanted to keep the slaves from being counted because counting them for purposes of apportionment of the House would have meant many more Congressmen from the Slave States.

It wasn't some nefarious scheme that the Founders should be criticized for. Unless, of course, you side with the Slave States.

So are you saying the framers thought that slaves were equal to whites under the constitution when they wrote it, or that that document was without flaw as written ?

286 Dianna  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 11:35:58am

re: #280 zombie

I thought about that possibility, but no -- if you checked his account, you'd see that he really seems to be sincere about his belief "system."

Oh, well.

Someone definitely needs their meds re-balanced, then.

287 Shug  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 11:35:59am

forgot the sarc ( for the first part )

288 lifeofthemind  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 11:36:05am

zombie's gem raises a Big Question:
The Internet offers Anonymity
1. Is that necessary for Free Speech?
2. Is it desirable?

Discuss

289 zombie  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 11:36:29am

re: #261 Iron Fist

This guy has dropped a little too much acid. OK, a lot of too much acid. The question in my mind is was this a right-wing moby trying to make the Left look bad, or did he really believe the horseshit he was peddeling?

I only posted it here after becoming convinced that it was written in all sincerity.

290 Jewels (AKA Julian)  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 11:37:04am

fragmentation of your administration before you take off is never a good sign. I expect many cigs and whisky at the Whitehouse after jan 20

291 Dianna  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 11:37:04am

re: #281 albusteve

Yes, they were.

But...the choices were not happy ones for them, and I fear that at pretty much every turn, the tribes chose the wrong options.

292 lifeofthemind  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 11:37:10am

The Grant and Lee exhibit at the NY Historical Society should be a must see for every lizard who can get there.

293 DisturbedEma  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 11:37:15am

re: #283 Shug

Brown died in a plane crash. There were questions raised about a hole in his head.
Many people who die in plane crashes have holes in their heads.
of course, the runway navigational beacon was moved and placed on a mountaintop

Vince Foster was the guy who shot himeslf in the mouth, then walked about 300 yards through the dirt, and cleaned all the dirt off his shoes before placing the gun in his thumb and getting brown autumn leaves in the middle of summer

Oh, yes, the Magic Dead guy. . .and I kind of remember the Brown thing, but was a clueless democrat then. . .I believe I believe I dismissed it, as a good democrat did, as. . .ready?
"PURE CONJECTURE"

294 zombie  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 11:37:44am

re: #272 pre-Boomer Marine brat

LOL!
There's absolutely no way to know where that idiot's coming from!
CLASSIC!
Thanks.

It's like he adopted every single wrong-headed philosophy simultaneously.

295 [deleted]  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 11:38:01am
296 Last Mohican  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 11:38:44am

re: #289 zombie

Looks like a moby to me. But I guess there's no way to know for sure, right?

297 lawhawk  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 11:38:57am

So, Syria is calling on Russia to stop Israel's defensive operations in Gaza.

That's rich. I don't recall that the long necked dictator's dad, Hafez Assad had any interest in the human rights of 25,000 people in Hama.

The Muslim Brotherhood, progenitors to al Qaeda, Hamas and other Islamists around the world, threated Assad. Assad's response was simple.

Obliterate the home of the Brotherhood in Syria, Hama.

He called in his army, which pulverized the entire city. They basically plowed the entire city under. No one demanded ceasefires. No one demanded human rights be respected.

Israel, of course, believes in human rights, and puts its own soldiers and civilians into dangerous situations to avoid hitting Gazan civilians. It extends the conflict, and more Palestinians and Israelis are injured as a result. But no one cares, because it's Israel involved and the double standard is standard operating procedures for the nations of the world and the media that has its memes and sticks to them.

298 DisturbedEma  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 11:39:28am

re: #295 Iron Fist

I agree that they'll never do it. And it is the only chance of attaining real peace that they have. As long as they let Hamas hide among the people to plot and even execute their terrorism, Israel is going to be fighting a losing battle.

And now the One is going to take over American policy. If Israel doesn't get it done by the Twentieth, it probably aint gonna happen for at least four years.

There is a feeling of something different now. . .I am hoping it is for the good of Israel, that they have read the writing on the wall that was not spun. . .they know dear leader will abandon them quicker than Wright. . .

299 lifeofthemind  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 11:39:43am

re: #296 Last Mohican

Looks like a moby to me. But I guess there's no way to know for sure, right?

Can't be sure he was a Moby but I can be positive that he's a Dick.

300 jwb7605  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 11:39:43am

re: #288 lifeofthemind

zombie's gem raises a Big Question:
The Internet offers Anonymity
1. Is that necessary for Free Speech?
2. Is it desirable?

Discuss

What you're seeing here is Free Speech, with "constraints as determined by Charles", which is good and necessary.
I can think of a few other sites that do not have "constraints"..

The issue is to have a place for reasonable people to have reasonable discussions. The problem lies in the definition of reasonable.

I've been lucky so far, only had two posts deleted that I'm aware of.

301 Steffan  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 11:40:11am

re: #172 rawmuse

Starting around 1873, the list of scandals and outright crimes becomes long and continuous.

The Credit Mobilier scandal was the biggest in the 19th Century, and involved several congressmen and elected officials. They were financing the building of the Union Pacific RR, mostly by paying themselves to build it, and most of the stockholders literally made out like bandits (CM was paying 300% dividends while the UP was scrambling for money to pay its workers).

Fannie/Freddie/Countrywide is a pale imitation.

302 albusteve  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 11:40:18am

re: #291 Dianna

Yes, they were.

But...the choices were not happy ones for them, and I fear that at pretty much every turn, the tribes chose the wrong options.

what was 'wrong' than to move to reservations under treaty?....how could they have known what nightmares were in store...I dont understand your perspective

303 Jewels (AKA Julian)  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 11:40:29am

re: #297 lawhawk

yeah....like Russia is going to do anything for Syria

304 greenmiler  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 11:40:57am

Thanks for your service zombie, been meaning to tell you that

305 solomonpanting  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 11:41:41am

re: #289 zombie

I only posted it here after becoming convinced that it was written in all sincerity.

Perhaps sincere, but not logical:

Heil Obama! Heil Hamas, Hiebollah, and Iran! Heil the Aryan race!

306 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 11:41:41am

re: #276 jwb7605

He liked good whiskey.

Just on that one point -- refer to Bruce Catton's books re Grant's alleged alcoholism DURING the war itself. Catton saw no indication of it. If you want a citation/s, I can dig one/them up. The books are on the shelf here.

/I have heard rumors that Catton was an authority on the Civil War ... :D

307 Killian Bundy  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 11:42:04am

Sarah Palin and her fellow Christian travelers aren't the one's pouring onto the streets in cities all across this country, frothing at the mouth, screaming "nuke Israel, from the river to the sea!"

/those would be, um, Obama voters, they're not anti-war, they're just on the other side

308 RubyTuesday  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 11:43:57am

re: #14 Fat Jolly Penguin
re: #7 Desert Dog
we will overdosing on schadenfreude over the next 4 years
Popcorn too, probably.

After mass quantities of generic ol' popcorn (about July 09):
Add plain M & Ms and Hot Tamales (or trail mix) to hot buttered popcorn.
yum

309 zombie  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 11:44:20am

re: #300 jwb7605

What you're seeing here is Free Speech, with "constraints as determined by Charles", which is good and necessary.
I can think of a few other sites that do not have "constraints"..

The issue is to have a place for reasonable people to have reasonable discussions. The problem lies in the definition of reasonable.

I've been lucky so far, only had two posts deleted that I'm aware of.

Now that I'm getting more and more comments at zomblog and at YouTube video threads, I'm seeing with greater acuity the NEED to monitor comments closely, as Charles does. There are all sorts of threats and problems, from crazed extremists, to mobys, to trolls, to subtle deceivers and wild-eyed screamers, leftists, Islamists, racists and beyond. Things have gotten so bad, it's practically impossible to tell who's who and what's what any more. (Which, I suppose, is part of the strategy for the mobys.)

The only solution is:

Delete them all, let Al Gore sort them out.

310 Killgore Trout  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 11:44:23am

re: #307 Killian Bundy

Sarah Palin and her fellow Christian travelers aren't the one's pouring onto the streets in cities all across this country, frothing at the mouth, screaming "nuke Israel, from the river to the sea!"


That doesn't make her a good leader.

311 [deleted]  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 11:44:28am
312 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 11:44:46am

re: #288 lifeofthemind

zombie's gem raises a Big Question:
The Internet offers Anonymity
1. Is that necessary for Free Speech?
2. Is it desirable?

Discuss

Character is more important than having freedom of speech.

313 anti-looter  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 11:44:48am

re: #19 FrogMarch

Why is corrupt tax cheat Charlie Rangel still in the Senate? If he had an (R) after his name - he would have been forced out by now.
/stupid question - ethics don't apply to the party of the (D)

I agree with you but please note that Congressman Charles B. Rangel is serving his 19th term as the Representative from the 15th Congressional District, comprising East and Central Harlem.

314 FrogMarch  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 11:45:10am

re: #284 Athens Runaway

Ron Brown- Clinton used his psychic plane-crashing powers to suicide
Vince Foster- Clinton used his psychic mind-changing powers to suicide him

(According to Alex Jones, of course)

Alex Jones is an equal opportunity paranoid schizophrenic.

315 [deleted]  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 11:45:51am
316 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 11:46:37am

re: #292 lifeofthemind

The Grant and Lee exhibit at the NY Historical Society should be a must see for every lizard who can get there.

You are titillating me!
QUIT THAT!
AUGGGGGHHHH!
*whimper moan*

317 FrogMarch  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 11:46:53am

re: #313 anti-looter

I agree with you but please note that Congressman Charles B. Rangel is serving his 19th term as the Representative from the 15th Congressional District, comprising East and Central Harlem.

thank you. I try to distinguish between the Senator and congressman (women) and I obviously screwed up. Congressman (for life) Charlie Rangel.

In any case - our founding fathers are spinning.

318 jwb7605  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 11:47:54am

re: #306 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Just on that one point -- refer to Bruce Catton's books re Grant's alleged alcoholism DURING the war itself. Catton saw no indication of it. If you want a citation/s, I can dig one/them up. The books are on the shelf here.

/I have heard rumors that Catton was an authority on the Civil War ... :D

I didn't say he was alcoholic (by most accounts, he was).
I said he liked good whiskey.

319 zombie  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 11:48:01am

re: #305 solomonpanting

Perhaps sincere, but not logical:

That's what made it so interesting: the mutually contradictory tenets.

I truly believe there can be white supremacist conspiracy theoriests who side with the islamists and hate Bush and hate the "ZOG" and think Obama will bring about "national" socialism and help to destroy the Jews, etc. Cockamamie, yes, but people are nuts these days.

320 zombie  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 11:48:41am

re: #304 greenmiler

Thanks for your service zombie, been meaning to tell you that

Well, shucks, I don't think of what I do as "service," but thanks in any case!

321 albusteve  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 11:48:46am

re: #311 Iron Fist

You've not studied history very much, have you? Nor politics, except the routine nonsense spouted by the Left. The founders got the best compromise that they could have gotten at the time. The Slave States had less influence over national policy than they otherwise would have had. Among other things, this led to the outlawing of bringing slaves from Africa to the States.

What you are saying is that if they didn't get the Constitution perfect, then we have to throw it out, and write a new "perfect" one. That will only happen after another Civil War. And I wouldn't count on you or people who think like you winning it.

the US Constitution is the most brilliant compromising and workable govt document ever written...it is pure genius imo....

322 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 11:48:53am

re: #294 zombie

It's like he adopted every single wrong-headed philosophy simultaneously.

You mentioned his account -- the overview of it.
Might his primary motivation be classic, raw, rebellion?

/why th' f do I care?!?!?! ... *self-whack*

323 Steffan  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 11:50:56am

re: #257 albusteve

the corruption within the Grant admin let to the failure of the banking system which killed the western railroads badly needed for expantion...to drum up cash the railroads and Feds simply ignored most treaties in place with the Sioux and Cheyene...gave that land away to the railroads which was sold....ending any decent rez system for the Indians which ultimately led to their near total destruction....bankers wiped out the American Plains Tribes....

Actually, the transcontinental railroad did that. The Sioux and Cheyenne were against the railroad because buffalo wouldn't cross the tracks. They ambushed and killed several work parties. The railroad responded by arming all of its workers (most were ACW veterans in any case), and the army stationed troops along the route and accompanied the survey teams.

The Pawnees were probably the happiest; they were mortal enemies of the Sioux and Cheyenne, and the army was willing to pay them to hunt down their enemies. Win-win situation for them.

324 [deleted]  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 11:50:56am
325 Wendya  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 11:51:06am

re: #74 loppyd

My step-father's sister lives in NM and they despise Richardson. I'm sure they are eating this up, but then will come to the realization that this means he remains their governor.

Yes, there was a down side to the celebrating.

Richardson is only concerned with one thing and that would be himself. If team Obama has completely lost their minds and is trying to shove through a New Deal II, Richardson would bail to save his own hide and position himself for the next round of elections. This wasn't done for Obama.

326 jwb7605  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 11:52:07am

re: #309 zombie

Now that I'm getting more and more comments at zomblog and at YouTube video threads, I'm seeing with greater acuity the NEED to monitor comments closely, as Charles does. There are all sorts of threats and problems, from crazed extremists, to mobys, to trolls, to subtle deceivers and wild-eyed screamers, leftists, Islamists, racists and beyond. Things have gotten so bad, it's practically impossible to tell who's who and what's what any more. (Which, I suppose, is part of the strategy for the mobys.)

The only solution is:

Delete them all, let Al Gore sort them out.

Zombie -- somebody (on one of these simultaneous threads) said thank you for your service.
My immediate reaction was "Zombie isn't military" (or, at least I don't think you are).
After a couple of seconds of thought, I asked myself why does that only apply to military?

Thank you for your service.

327 FrogMarch  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 11:53:01am

re: #309 zombie

Mad Eyed Screamers.

Youtube Video
328 melinwy  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 11:53:22am

re: #58 Joo-LiZ

To echo Israellycool:

The Israeli Genocide = EPIC FAIL!


Heart-warming video (no pun intended)

awesome, heartwarming and truly gives one hope
thanks you

329 [deleted]  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 11:54:41am
330 right Brain  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 11:55:32am

It could have been worse, he was almost chosen VP.

331 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 11:56:05am

re: #318 jwb7605

I didn't say he was alcoholic (by most accounts, he was).
I said he liked good whiskey.

Yes, you're right. I over-reacted. *salute*

Re: "by most accounts, he was"

Was he an alcoholic at some point in his life? Yes. Earlier. While posted in California, IIRC.

Was he an alcoholic (or did he even drink immoderately) after assuming command on the Mississippi. No.

332 Steffan  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 11:57:35am

re: #306 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Just on that one point -- refer to Bruce Catton's books re Grant's alleged alcoholism DURING the war itself. Catton saw no indication of it. If you want a citation/s, I can dig one/them up. The books are on the shelf here.

/I have heard rumors that Catton was an authority on the Civil War ... :D

From what I read, the entire foundation of the Grant-is-a-lush stories is the documented drinking he did in California. He was depressed because he was half a continent (at the time, half a world) away from his family. His commander let him resign for the good of the service. When the war started, he raised a regiment in Illinois and got a colonel's commission from the governor.

By all accounts, his chief of staff, Gen. Rawlins, was something of a nag and very watchful about anything that might be detrimental to Grant's career.

333 Wendya  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 11:57:44am

re: #225 avanti

It did have flaws, that's why it's been amended, the framers never considered slaves as citizens for example. The interview you mentioned discussed here:

Obama interview

I've yet to meet a leftist who didn't treat the constitution like a cafeteria line... picking the parts they like and ignoring the others.

334 splat  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 12:00:22pm

Are ANY of these elected officials not as corrupt as a third world Junta ? Out of a population of 280 million can we really only find crooks for elected office ?!?!?!?

335 Wendya  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 12:05:20pm

re: #334 splat

Are ANY of these elected officials not as corrupt as a third world Junta ? Out of a population of 280 million can we really only find crooks for elected office ?!?!?!?

Unfortunately, politics is no place for good men.

336 MJBrutus  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 12:07:48pm

Bus? Transportation Secretary? Oh I get it :-)

Hey Billy Boy, how's about checking the tire pressure while you're down there.

337 Ayeless in Ghazi  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 12:07:54pm

re: #238 zombie

Join our struggle and support Socialism and Jihad!

Heil Obama! Heil Hamas, Hiebollah, and Iran! Heil the Aryan race!

Join our protestors in the streets to help the children of Palestine!

We are the new majority in the USA and soon your families will all be slaughtered like dogs! George Bush can't save you now

At first glance I thought this might be from a neo-nazi, but neo-nazis don't wave the flag for socialism - for them socialism is a word to describe contemptible decadent filth. Some right wingers however, do make a big point about the Nazis being called 'National Socialists' as if that meant that they really were left wingers. It's certainly not a point that neo-nazis would ever make, which leads to the conclusion that this is clearly the work of a right wing moby. Which is a tad unneccessary because there are plenty of genuine nutcases out there - there's really no need to fake them.

338 Muadib  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 12:09:33pm

Culture Of Corrupted Socialists

339 Right Brain  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 12:11:34pm

A dirty cabinet member , big time dirty. Second scandal for the Obama administration and he hasn't even been inaugurated yet!

We have an entire generation who cannot remember how dirty Democrats are: Gov. of Illinois, Gov. of New York, Gov. of Puerto Rico, and now Gov. of New Mexico. All in the last 12 months.

Stay tuned, lots more on the way.

340 avanti  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 12:15:15pm

re: #311 Iron Fist


What you are saying is that if they didn't get the Constitution perfect, then we have to throw it out, and write a new "perfect" one. That will only happen after another Civil War. And I wouldn't count on you or people who think like you winning it.

Not no, but hell no on throwing out the constitution, it's as fine a document as was ever written. Yes, we had to add amendments as needed and both those on the left and right would like more, but thankfully it is not a casual process.
Talk of another civil war is a bit of a stretch in my opinion.

341 flbob10  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 12:25:26pm

going downnnnnnnnnn

342 hazzyday  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 12:32:45pm

They found a blago like activity in his past. Like maybe he lied about playing pro baseball or something.

343 hazzyday  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 12:37:40pm

re: #309 zombie

The internet is a release valve for the insane or nearly insane. Many posts we assume that were written by a detailed poster, over time reveal themselves to be unbalanced. That doesn't refute their argument as they may have the proper perspective. But we do need to weigh untrusted postings carefully in the anonymous world.

one would get a -1 in their sanity rating for posting on reddit.

344 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 12:40:32pm

re: #332 Steffan

By all accounts, his chief of staff, Gen. Rawlins, was something of a nag and very watchful about anything that might be detrimental to Grant's career.

(back in later) Yes, I think Catton put it something like ... Rawlins's job was to save the man who would save the Union. No discussion of Grant's alleged drinking is complete without consideration of Rawlins.

345 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 12:45:07pm

re: #343 hazzyday

The internet is a release valve for the insane or nearly insane.

I'd (seriously) like to fire a shotgun at the up-ding button on my monitor, to give more up-dings to that.

/(and, not seriously) They're coming to take me awaaaay ... hee hee ... ha ha ... hoo hoo

346 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 12:45:39pm

off of this thread

347 PaxAmericana  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 12:54:39pm

Wow. That was fast. I can't wait to see how scandal-ridden this administration is going to be. It's almost unfair having the Clintons involved, as that would skew the total number.

348 Sunlight  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 1:22:19pm

I don't have much time to be here today, but I just had to come by to offer my compliments to the feds for not backing down on efforts to clean up New Mexico politics. It is at times nauseating for decades that I know of. Luckily, NM has grown a fabulous high tech sector that hasn't fallen under the control of these guys. But keep up the good work, prosecutors, if any of you are here!

349 sarabeara  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 1:38:43pm

Forget the Feds, I'm calling out the grammar police for "...that I and my Administration..." Should be worth 2+ years added onto his jail term.

350 Dustyvet  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 1:47:20pm

re: #1 Dustyvet

Crunch!

The wheels on the bus go round and round...:)

351 Muadib  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 1:54:25pm

Ultimately, the 0bama administration will stumble and fall in front of the bus. Reality will crush the fools.

352 justin320  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 2:05:20pm

As a resident of New Mexico, I'm very disappointed: I guess we'll be getting King Bill back as governor.

353 witness  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 2:45:33pm

Dear Leader will somehow work Medvedev onto the team so he can set himself up as dictator for life.

354 Sunlight  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 2:52:47pm

re: #352 justin320

As a resident of New Mexico, I'm very disappointed: I guess we'll be getting King Bill back as governor.

Yeah, but I think they may be closing in on these guys. This is by far the most effect anybody has had against this system.

355 Sunlight  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 2:53:58pm

re: #352 justin320

As a resident of New Mexico, I'm very disappointed: I guess we'll be getting King Bill back as governor.

I thought that Manny Aragon pled guilty so that the "discovery" and "testimony" would stop to shield any higher up or ongoing operations.

356 Ben G. Hazi  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 3:07:09pm

re: #57 MandyManners

SNIP

bbl

Vanity knows no bounds..

357 Ben G. Hazi  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 3:26:31pm

re: #126 Shug

How can the senate vote to expel a lawful appointee, yet allow Ted Stevens to finish his term?

Becuase, in the view of the Democrats, allowing Ted Stevens to stay in his seat till his successor is sworn in gives them the opprtunity to keep the "Republicans are corrupt!1!1!" meme out in the media as long as possible; inversely, any hint of corruption or criminal activity from the Democrats is either nipped in the bud by the transition team (wanna bet that Dear Leader's team made Richardson an "offer he couldn't refuse" to get him to drop his SecComm nom?) or minimized/swept under the rug by the MFMSM (Ayers/Dohrn, Wright, Rezko, the LA Times tape, ad nauseum).

358 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 3:34:30pm

This will cheer up a number of local Asian writers and activists--they don't care for Richardson (my mother always said not to say that you hate someone), and have been very cranky of late about the appointment.

359 kansas  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 4:14:20pm

That wasn't Bill Richardson, that was Horatio Sanchez.

360 kansas  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 4:18:32pm

re: #315 Iron Fist

Wow. Some people are too stupid to live. Maybe the guy will forget to keep breathing or something.

No matter. He will keep voting.

361 Dave the.....  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 4:36:37pm

As far as Democrats go, I've always thought big Bill R was acceptable (assuming the rumors of roaming hands don't bother you).

I'd be unfortunate if something relatively unimportant caused him to pull back.

362 winston06  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 4:54:36pm

A corrupt administration

363 fredo malmstein  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 5:31:17pm

re: #359 kansas

Sanz. Yes.

364 fclass308  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 6:00:39pm

I'm late to the thread....I wonder what all the fawning Mexican government officials will have to say about their "hermano" not being in a position to sway US policy in favor of Mexico.

365 fclass308  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 6:06:32pm

re: #364 fclass308

Here's a link to the information mentioned above:

[Link: m3report.wordpress.com...]

366 claire  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 6:27:53pm

Darn it- We thought we had gotten rid of him, finally.

NM is a pay to play state. I have no doubt Richardson gave the contract to the company that gave him the most money. He also never lets anything happen unless he can take credit for it and it makes him look good.

When he was elected we had a billion dollar surplus, and now the state is in the hole something like 400 million dollars.

367 johncharles  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 6:46:14pm

re: #202 loppyd

Isn't there a Wegman's nearby?

368 avspatti  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 7:49:34pm

re: #193 FrogMarch

Agreed.

Well, we know who is REALLY over his head, don't we? Lovely, just lovely.

369 wrenchwench  Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:01:55am

Pretty much everybody in New Mexico is disappointed.

370 Clubsec  Mon, Jan 5, 2009 10:53:05am

Comments on Grant are circling the truth. He was a brilliant tactician and he could communicate to his supordinates EXACTLY what he wanted done.
As in the case of Patton, he'd tell his subordinates what he wanted accomplished NOT how to go about it. That was up to them and the results were invariably mission success.
Grant was what one might call an easy drunk. And what excesses he had were attributable to the lonelyness of separation from Julia and his children.
Back to the topic (my this crowd does wander with a subject don't we?)
NM politics are and have been for a LONG time corrupt.

What I want to know (besides my long standing question that has yet to be answered ... Why is Vince Foster dead? Not how, but WHY? and)
what about this guy Rahm Emanuel? He stinks to high heaven with corruption and he gets NO MENTION in the MFMSM. WFT?

As we've all witnessed when you have an 'R' behind your name and you get into trouble that relationship is emphasized numerous times during the news cycle. But if you be a 'D' ... the association is overlooked or more likely ignored.

Finally, (place your bets) ... how many USAG's will be retained by the Obamantons? Or will it be a Klintonesque 'blood bath'? Now, it is normal during a change of administration that this a fait d'accompli but accepting ALL of them? Where WJC acted on (what was it?) 93 letters of resignation from the Attorney General's. Especially the folks in Arkansas who were finishing up the White Water investigation. The MFMSM didn't even squeek.
Thus I put the MFMSM in the same category as ObamUH ... as respectable entities in our day and age they are not, (as my fathers most damning lable was) ... They are complete and utter frauds.

I'll repeat my question ... why is Rahm Emanuel still around?


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