IDF Video: Background on Gaza Conflict

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This is a good presentation by the IDF on the background and history of the current conflict in Gaza. Some people will no doubt label this as “propaganda,” and in the sense that it’s intended to promote Israel’s point of view, that’s correct — but there’s nothing inaccurate or dishonest here, just a simple summation of the facts about the militant Islamic terrorists who seized power in Gaza after the disengagement.

Youtube Video

UPDATE at 1/4/09 1:03:38 pm:

Strange — the video has suddenly been marked as “private,” and no longer shows up on the IDF channel. Maybe they withdrew it?

UPDATE at 1/6/09 4:18:15 pm:

It’s been restored, with a different (read: more professional) narrator.

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1099 comments
1 goddessoftheclassroom  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 11:39:27am

Go IDF!

2 Shug  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 11:41:18am

It's too bad they ( the IDF ) need to defend themselves at all in the public eye , since they are in the right.

3 Jewels (AKA Julian)  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 11:41:35am

I believe the IDF needs pizza

4 Sharmuta  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 11:45:07am

Wonderful video.

5 lawhawk  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 11:45:19am

I will not be silent. I will not stand by as the media slanders Israel's actions to defend itself. No one should.

Israel can and must do these kinds of media presentations to show that they are in the right - and have been for years. Israel's succumbed to media malevolence for far too long, and the terrorists and Islamists have repeatedly taken advantage of Israel's stunning naivete over the media/propaganda component to fighting the long war. Israel's efforts in the Hizbullah suffered because they failed to take into account the media component, where Hizbullah stage managed the conflict to maximize the effect against Israel, even as Hizbullah fired thousands of rockets into Israel. That, combined with Israel's dithering leadership, led to the disastrous results that Israel deals with now.

It's about time.

6 jwb7605  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 11:45:40am

Reading Charles lead-in:

This is a good presentation by the IDF on the background and history of the current conflict in Gaza. Some people will no doubt label this as “propaganda,” and in the sense that it’s intended to promote Israel’s point of view, that’s correct — but there’s nothing inaccurate or dishonest here, just a simple summation of the facts about the militant Islamic terrorists who seized power in Gaza after the disengagement.


That's why I like this site.
That also invites some other blogs to say something like "LGF is promoting propaganda on their hate site".

I'm sure they'll do just that, having seen a previous thread this morning.
The difference in Charles' wording is subtle and requires real thought.

7 abolitionist  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 11:45:48am

Hamas Violent Putch

Putch is German, iirc, meaning attempted takeover or coup.

8 Opinionated  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 11:45:49am

In one sense this is history.

In another sense it is proof that those of us who warned of the horrific consequence of surrendering Gaza to the barbarians were prophetic.

9 lifeofthemind  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 11:46:27am

Any professional will tell you that honest information is the most effective propaganda. The create a wall of lies method used by Hamas and its agents in al Jazeera, may under controlled conditions, produce a tactical advantage, but unless you only care about a specific result with a short time horizon it is usually bad policy. For example the slandering of Palin was only effective because no one would care about the truth after November 5th.

10 Broomer  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 11:46:30am

Once again, deaf people are being ignored. Someone please have this subtitled!

11 abolitionist  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 11:46:59am

PIMF: Putsch

12 Killgore Trout  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 11:47:18am

re: #5 lawhawk

I will not stand by as the media slanders Israel's actions to defend itself.


The MSM is using its usual spin of "disproportionate response", etc but the propaganda effort this time is really weak.

13 MrPaulRevere  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 11:47:29am

I just came across the gem at Huff Post..."There is a new name for America . Its called the Jewnited States of America.....There is starting a huge backlash in America against them because people are finally waking up. Same as the germans did in the 30's." Please note that comment was approved by a moderator. There is some serious craziness going around. [Link: www.huffingtonpost.com...]

14 Desert Dog  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 11:47:43am

Compare that to this:

15 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 11:48:03am

Watched the video: if it were truly propaganda, they would have mentioned what was done to Gilad Shalit. Someone without background would think he was just kidnapped.

Do you think for one second Hamas would pass up a propaganda opportunity like that?

16 VegasRick  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 11:48:28am

re: #10 Broomer

Once again, deaf people are being ignored. Someone please have this subtitled!

Israel is defending her people, pali's suck, no such thing as civilians in gaza.
End of story.

17 Killgore Trout  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 11:49:21am

re: #13 MrPaulRevere
Huffpo comment....

There is a new name for America . Its called the Jewnited States of America.

They control the media, the FED, most of the banks, always have a few in presidential admins including the upcoming one and control the entertainment industry.

There is starting a huge backlash in America against them because people are finally waking up. Same as the germans did in the 30's.


Yikes!

18 Opinionated  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 11:49:22am

re: #5 lawhawk

I will not be silent. I will not stand by as the media slanders Israel's actions to defend itself. No one should.

Israel can and must do these kinds of media presentations to show that they are in the right - and have been for years.

It's disproportionate.

Israel has Youtube

The Barbarians have CNN 24/7 and the rest of their repulsive ilk.

19 Crimsonfisted  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 11:49:44am

re: #13 MrPaulRevere

I just came across the gem at Huff Post..."There is a new name for America . Its called the Jewnited States of America.....There is starting a huge backlash in America against them because people are finally waking up. Same as the germans did in the 30's." Please note that comment was approved by a moderator. There is some serious craziness going around. [Link: www.huffingtonpost.com...]

Good GRIEF!

20 lawhawk  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 11:50:08am

re: #7 abolitionist

Hamas Violent Putch

Putch is German, iirc, meaning attempted takeover or coup.

I'd call it the Palestinian civil war, but thats a minor quibble. It was a fight for control over territory and a dispute over the fact that Fatah wasn't sufficiently violent enough in its ongoing war against Israel.

21 Sharmuta  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 11:50:17am

re: #13 MrPaulRevere

I just came across the gem at Huff Post..."There is a new name for America . Its called the Jewnited States of America.....There is starting a huge backlash in America against them because people are finally waking up. Same as the germans did in the 30's." Please note that comment was approved by a moderator. There is some serious craziness going around. [Link: www.huffingtonpost.com...]

pat buchanan's posting at huffpoo?

22 Bubbaman  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 11:51:14am

No apologies necessary. The media and street thugs are operating in force. The truth is a wonderful antiseptic.

I would encourage everyone to send the soldiers care packages. Here are a couple of resources:

Dash Cham
IDF Pizza

23 zeir  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 11:51:25am

The Hebrew word for "propaganda" is "hasbarah" which literally means "explanation."

24 Last Mohican  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 11:51:33am

re: #13 MrPaulRevere

How do you know that comment was approved by a moderator?

I'm not disagreeing with you -- I'm just asking, because I don't spend enough time at HuffPo to understand whether or how their comments get approved by a moderator.

25 mean Gene  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 11:52:17am

re: #18 Opinionated

It's disproportionate.

Israel has Youtube

The Barbarians have CNN 24/7 and the rest of their repulsive ilk.

Boy, do they ever!
I switched to CNn because they were doing more raw coverage the other day.
But by day before yesterday they had their propaganda machine up and running full bore.
Today they are unwatchable.

26 Killgore Trout  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 11:52:20am

Is Hamas using ambulances again?
Paramedic killed as shell hits ambulance

27 Killian Bundy  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 11:53:19am

Hamas moves on Fatah 'collaborators'

Fatah officials in Ramallah told The Jerusalem Post that Hamas militiamen had been assaulting many Fatah activists since the beginning of the operation last Saturday. They said at least 75 activists were shot in the legs while others had their hands broken.

Wisam Abu Jalhoum, a Fatah activist from the Jabalya refugee camp, was shot in the legs by Hamas militiamen for allegedly expressing joy over the IDF air strikes on Hamas targets.

"Hamas is very nervous, because they feel that their end is nearing," a senior Fatah official said. "They have been waging a brutal campaign against Fatah members in the Gaza Strip."

/red on red

28 avanti  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 11:53:31am

Nicely done video and as was stated, propaganda based on truth is much more effective then the crap coming from Hamas.

29 Oh no...Sand People!  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 11:53:36am

In 2005 and at considerable cost and inner moral destabilization they, Israel, pulled out all citizens in an effort for peace. Turned the land over to the Palestinians. Then rockets fired down upon Israel from then on from the Palestinians from the land that was turned over. Finally after thousands of rockets and years of restraint they are acting.

Regardless of any previous events, to anyone intellectually honest enough to have a legitimate synapse of cognitive reasoning skills and a microbe of thought higher than the chimpanzee this should make them realize who is justified and correct. Israel is justified and correct.

Then, taking that same intellectual honesty, looking at those 'previous events', Israel is STILL justified.

/rant off.

30 Desert Dog  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 11:54:46am

re: #26 Killgore Trout

Is Hamas using ambulances again?
Paramedic killed as shell hits ambulance

What do you mean "again"....that is SOP for those guys....use ambulances to move weapons and fighters around. Use hospitals, schools, mosques as weapons depots and command and control centers. Oh the "Brave" Jidhadis! Your courage is only equaled by your fighting skills

31 Sharmuta  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 11:55:25am

[Link: news.yahoo.com...]

Interesting picture- was the funeral held in the bathroom?

32 Last Mohican  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 11:55:58am

re: #26 Killgore Trout

Is Hamas using ambulances again?
Paramedic killed as shell hits ambulance

Who knows? Oxfam is a virulently anti-Israel political group, which also does some charitable activities. We've seen the International Red Cross flat-out lie about their ambulances supposedly being hit by the IDF. Oxfam is a lot more anti-Israel than the Red Cross, so their reports are certainly not to be trusted.

33 Dar ul Harb  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 11:56:34am

re: #31 Sharmuta

I think they took away her teddy bear to place it on the rubble.

34 desdichado  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 11:56:50am

I don't think Christiana Amanpour would like this clip. She is calling the IDF attacks "disproportionate".

35 Shug  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 11:57:11am

re: #31 Sharmuta

[Link: news.yahoo.com...]

Interesting picture- was the funeral held in the bathroom?

Yes, and afterwards they all gathered round and flushed their dearly departed Mouse, farfur

36 MrPaulRevere  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 11:57:14am

re: #24 Last Mohican
Comment posting policy, cut and pasted directly from the site:
Want to reply to a comment? Hint: Click "Reply" at the bottom of the comment; after being approved your comment will appear directly underneath the comment you replied to

37 jaunte  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 11:57:22am

re: #31 Sharmuta

I wondered about that. "Here's a picture of a girl crying. We say she's at a funeral, and that the Jews killed her relative."

38 splat  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 11:57:55am

From following the MSM it would appear the Israeli actions come out of nowhere ?!? With the peace loving Hamas freedom fighter brutally put upon.

Why are the leftie moonbats so stupid ? What is wrong with these people ?

39 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 11:58:09am

re: #13 MrPaulRevere
There is starting a huge backlash in America against them because people are finally waking up. Same as the germans did in the 30's."

This guy needs to read up on his history. The Germans, in the 30's, were about to start something that would bring untold misery to their own people. (Yes, I know, and everyone else, I'm just trying to point out what he had not considered.)

40 Last Mohican  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 11:58:38am

re: #31 Sharmuta

Maybe. Maybe it's not a funeral at all, and she's just crying because she doesn't want to brush her teeth and go to bed. AP has a well-established history of promulgating what it knows to be absolute lies in attacking Israel. So once again, I guess we'll never know what was really happening in that picture.

41 Desert Dog  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 11:58:40am

re: #31 Sharmuta

[Link: news.yahoo.com...]

Interesting picture- was the funeral held in the bathroom?

I feel for that kid.....that little life will probably not know what it;s like to live in a normal place...Those tears are courtesy of 60 years of victimhood perpetuated by the misguided, carried out by the evil.

42 Sharmuta  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 11:58:47am

re: #35 Shug

Yes, and afterwards they all gathered round and flushed their dearly departed Mouse, farfur

You're terrible! Plus 1 for you.

43 Opinionated  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 11:59:17am

Want to see subtle CNN bias.

Here Mayor Michael Bloomberg on CNN from Tel Aviv making a very good case for Israel.

But he very soon has to compete for attention, in a split screen, with scenes of Israeli attacks.

His message diluted by the visuals which have no other possible purpose.

Normally, visuals would be used to buttress what the speaker is saying. In this case it would residents of Sderot running for shelter.

But no, the victims are only the Arabs and the subliminal message is that supporters of Israel are not to be believed.

[Link: www.thehopeforamerica.com...]

44 lawhawk  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 11:59:32am

Another gem, courtesy of Newsweek. Is peace in the Middle East hopeless?

Can anyone here remember when there was peace in the Middle East? Anyone?

But that's not the stunningly naive part. This is:

Wishful thinking? Probably. After so many failed attempts, the phrase "peace process" has little meaning. Olmert's own motives in Gaza may have as much to do with domestic politics as foreign policy. Badly weakened and facing possible corruption charges, he has been grasping to rescue his tarnished legacy. But the fact that Olmert wants to negotiate, and that Abbas wants to negotiate, underscores the stubborn, maddening fact about the Israeli-Palestinian relationship: there is only one path to peace, and both sides know what it is—and yet neither side has been willing to take it. The violence, the bombings, the threats and counterthreats are all the more exhausting and senseless because they are, essentially, an elaborate delaying tactic. The broad contours of a peace were laid out eight years ago when President Bill Clinton brought the two sides together at Camp David and tried to broker a historic deal. The current Olmert "shelf plan" is remarkably similar to the Clinton parameters: a two-state solution in which Israelis and Palestinians make painful compromises on the core issues of territory, security, Jerusalem and Palestinian refugees. The 2000 talks collapsed partly because time ran out on Clinton's term and partly because neither side had the political clout to sell the deal back home. Bush, fixated on Iraq and terror, has paid little mind to the conflict until recently.

The contours of peace are laid out in defeating Hamas and Israel winning. Anything else will find Israel aflame as a result of incessant attacks. The Palestinians have a three state solution already in hand; Gaza, West Bank, and Israel. Hamas controls Gaza, but wants Israel and the West Bank. Fatah controls the West Bank and is seemingly content in that, although some of the more fanatical elements want all of Israel for itself.

Israel just wants to be left alone.

So, you've got three sides - only one of which actually wants peace. Only one side, Israel, makes concessions that threaten its security. Only one side is forced to make concessions by UN, world leaders, and human rights groups, all while ignoring the depravities and ultimate goals of the likes of Hamas.

If there is to be peace, it must be born of Israel's defeat of Hamas.

Further, the peace between Israel and Egypt was born of the Israeli victory in the 1973 war, despite Egypt and Syria attacking Israel on the holiest day of the Jewish calendar and Israel chose not to preempt its enemies again. Israel nearly was overrun in the first few days of that war, but turned things around in stunning fashion to the point where it could have marched on Damascus and Cairo unopposed. Egypt's armies were thoroughly defeated and surrounded. It was the UN that ultimately pulled the plug, but Sadat knew then that Israel would not be defeated in war. That's why he made the trip to Jerusalem and extended the olive branch. Israel's victory, combined with Sadat's personal sacrifices led to peace - however cold it is.

Forced "peace" is not peace. A hudna where Israel succumbs to hundreds of kassam attacks is not peace. It is war. Israel is only now showing what war means.

Let's hope that Israel remembers what victory means too.

45 Last Mohican  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 11:59:44am

re: #36 MrPaulRevere

Well, that would certainly seem to settle that. Thanks for the copy-and-paste.

46 Cdat88  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 11:59:46am

re: #26 Killgore Trout

Is Hamas using ambulances again?
Paramedic killed as shell hits ambulance

And we know this was caused by Israeli ordnance how? ( I mean other than the word of al-Reuters. Their word means about as much as a bucket of warm spit.)

47 Oh no...Sand People!  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 11:59:55am

re: #26 Killgore Trout

Is Hamas using ambulances again?
Paramedic killed as shell hits ambulance


I would LOVE to see a picture of the ambulance. 2 bucks says it is the exact same one as the last ambulance propaganda hit piece.

48 FrogMarch  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 12:00:00pm

but but but... the poor Palestinians are just looking for food.

to hell with the the corrupt insane leadership in Iran. To hell with the death cults.

49 zombie  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 12:00:33pm

Just watched the whole video.

Pretty good. I'd give it a B+.

Every word was true. But they could have been harder hitting. They didn't sufficiently describe how horrible Hamas really is.

50 mean Gene  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 12:00:48pm

re: #26 Killgore Trout

Is Hamas using ambulances again?
Paramedic killed as shell hits ambulance

In Beit Lahiya?
What on earth were they doing there after the IDF incusion?
That's way in the north of Gaza.

51 lawhawk  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 12:00:49pm

re: #26 Killgore Trout

I saw that in the daylife/getty images, and thought the same thing. No way to tell what happened in that incident. Expect the Palestinians to complain, whine and seethe that Israel attacked ambulances. Hope that the IAF pulls the footage showing that Hamas used 'em for carrying around their terrorists or fired mortars/rockets at Israel.

52 Sheila Broflovski  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 12:01:18pm

re: #16 VegasRick

Israel is defending her people, pali's suck, no such thing as civilians in gaza.
End of story.

There are civilians in Gaza, but they are willing hostages to Hamas. There were civilians in Dresden too, sucked to be them.

53 Shug  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 12:01:26pm

re: #50 mean Gene

In Beit Lahiya?
What on earth were they doing there after the IDF incusion?
That's way in the north of Gaza.

they didn't expect you to actually look at a map

54 Sheila Broflovski  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 12:01:54pm

re: #13 MrPaulRevere

I just came across the gem at Huff Post..."There is a new name for America . Its called the Jewnited States of America.....There is starting a huge backlash in America against them because people are finally waking up. Same as the germans did in the 30's." Please note that comment was approved by a moderator. There is some serious craziness going around. [Link: www.huffingtonpost.com...]

Why did I click on that link? Now I have to boil my brain.

55 Sharmuta  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 12:01:58pm

re: #40 Last Mohican

Maybe. Maybe it's not a funeral at all, and she's just crying because she doesn't want to brush her teeth and go to bed. AP has a well-established history of promulgating what it knows to be absolute lies in attacking Israel. So once again, I guess we'll never know what was really happening in that picture.

Kind of like, "I read it on the internet, so it must be true", huh?

56 Dianna  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 12:02:04pm

re: #13 MrPaulRevere

Oh, no.

That's vile.

57 avanti  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 12:02:35pm

re: #24 Last Mohican

How do you know that comment was approved by a moderator?

I'm not disagreeing with you -- I'm just asking, because I don't spend enough time at HuffPo to understand whether or how their comments get approved by a moderator.

There is no per post approval there either, but you can get canned. The comment mentioned is getting a lot of flaw, right from the start. i.e.

"This anti Semitic tin foil hat rhetoric is neither true nor helpful. We're dealing with politics here not religion, and misinformation is the last thing we need. "

Fruit cakes can post both on left and right blogs, and then find there posts used against the main steam posters.

58 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 12:03:29pm

EXCELLENT POST, Charles!
THANK YOU!

59 Sheila Broflovski  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 12:03:32pm

re: #31 Sharmuta

[Link: news.yahoo.com...]

Interesting picture- was the funeral held in the bathroom?

She looks like Jill Greenberg snatched away her candy.

60 Sharmuta  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 12:03:51pm

re: #59 Alouette

She looks like Jill Greenberg snatched away her candy.

Indeed.

61 Dianna  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 12:04:07pm

re: #17 Killgore Trout

Huffpo comment....


Yikes!

Killgore? You're good at this stuff: my Male says that's old - a repost.

Can you confirm, or tell me how to find out?

62 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 12:04:58pm

re: #1 goddessoftheclassroom

MWAH!

63 MrPaulRevere  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 12:05:07pm

re: #54 Alouette

I do it so you don't have to! That presentation by the IDF was very well done I have to say. Short and to the point, very factual and persuasive.

64 Sheila Broflovski  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 12:05:21pm

re: #41 Desert Dog

I feel for that kid.....that little life will probably not know what it;s like to live in a normal place...Those tears are courtesy of 60 years of victimhood perpetuated by the misguided, carried out by the evil.

Enabled by the media.

65 Oh no...Sand People!  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 12:05:47pm

re: #48 FrogMarch

but but but... the poor Palestinians are just looking for food.

to hell with the the corrupt insane leadership in Iran. To hell with the death cults.

Yeah...that 1.5 tons of flour per person must have run out....?
/

I loved at the end of the video where they show Syria/Hezbollah and Iran as the suppliers. You know they are in Israel's sights next.

66 flbob10  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 12:05:49pm

go IDF
don't stop till you get enough
he he

67 Joo-LiZ  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 12:06:01pm

re: #10 Broomer

Once again, deaf people are being ignored. Someone please have this subtitled!

The guy talks extremely quickly, I'm not sure how subtitles would work :S

68 Opinionated  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 12:06:31pm

re: #44 lawhawk

Another gem, courtesy of Newsweek. Is peace in the Middle East hopeless?

And the answer heard thousands of times a day- at least several hundred on CNN- is the "cycle of violence".

Example:

Israel surrenders Gaza to the Barbarians. The Barbarians attack Israel.

It's a cycle. Can't you see?

69 Wishing  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 12:06:54pm

Just read this on another blog, which i think took it from Muqata:


6:48 PM Reports that IDF tanks and ground forces have Gaza city completely surrounded.

70 Broomer  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 12:07:09pm

re: #16 VegasRick

Israel is defending her people, pali's suck, no such thing as civilians in gaza.
End of story.

LOL!

71 MrPaulRevere  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 12:08:13pm

re: #57 avanti

Utter nonsense, another cut and paste directly from their commenting policy: Huffington Post pre-moderates comments on our blog posts and post-moderates comments on news stories.

72 shanec99  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 12:08:53pm

re: #12 Killgore Trout

The MSM is using its usual spin of "disproportionate response", etc but the propaganda effort this time is really weak.


Here is the situation:
A man threatens to kill you and your neighbors and creates an organization of people just like himself who want to kill you.
Then he holds bake sales, car washes and raises money. With that money he goes out and buys weapons and gets his friends to give him the weapons to kill you.
He convinces his kids to wear bombs and sends them to video arcades to kill your children.
Then he kills your neighbors.
Then he attacks you.

If you fight back its disproportionate?
OK, what is proportionate?
Good grief.

73 lawhawk  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 12:09:05pm

Muqata is also noting via Twitter that calls to Gazans note that there is no lack of food or other humanitarian aid.

74 LEGION  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 12:09:13pm

re: #70 Broomer

LOL!

Right to the point! :-)

75 Oh no...Sand People!  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 12:09:14pm

It's great that Israel is stepping up in the information war. Keep it up.

The other side and it's pity party can't stand in the face of facts.

Later all.

Keep it up Israel.

76 VegasRick  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 12:09:35pm

re: #34 desdichado

I don't think Christiana Amanpour would like this clip. She is calling the IDF attacks "disproportionate".

Christiana Imawhore can go fuck herself.

77 jaunte  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 12:09:52pm

re: #72 shanec99

Logic is a tool of the oppressor!

78 Wishing  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 12:10:08pm
79 lawhawk  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 12:10:43pm

More Muqata: Approximately 500 terrorists killed so far with another 2500 wounded since the start of operations. About 30% of Hamas's strength.

I'd discount that number, but even if it's 250 terrorists killed, 1250 wounded, and 15% of strength, it's a good start. There's a whole lot more Hamas that needs to be turned to humus before peace is possible.

80 MJ  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 12:10:53pm

Good source of info on Palestinian Rocket attacks:

[Link: www.jewishpolicycenter.org...]

81 zombie  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 12:11:07pm

Ah, here's a pristine example of what I call the "troll jihad" -- a moby comment just left on zomblog:

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"134 Anonymous on Jan 4, 2009 at 11:06 am:

I was once sympathetic to the Palistinian cause. But now I have been enlightened by my Pro-Israeli brothers and sisters and have come to realize that all Palestinans are nothing but anti-semetic savages with no redeeming values. I say it is time for Israel to be brave enough to do that which finally must be done. It is time for the “final solution”. Don’t let those nukes degrade any further, put them to good use. Or perhaps a more ecologically sound approach might be to rehabilitate some of The Furher’s long abandoned delousing showers from Aushwitz and Buchenwald. It is time to show the world the ultimate act of moral courage and rid it of the Palestinian scourge."

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What's your opinion: was this left by a leftist, or an Islamist?

Such fake moby jihad comments are coming fast and thick in the last week -- several per hour.

82 Wishing  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 12:11:08pm

Back in a bit...
IDF, just DO it!

83 goddessoftheclassroom  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 12:11:24pm

re: #62 pre-Boomer Marine brat

MWAH!

My reply...

MWAH!

84 Desert Dog  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 12:11:50pm
85 MrPaulRevere  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 12:12:30pm

re: #61 Dianna

I'll stretch the limits of fairness here Dianna: That might be a throw-away post the nutbar throws up on any thread relating to Israel, so yes, its possible your hubby saw it before.

86 Wilderstad  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 12:12:41pm

re: #81 zombie

Leftist. IMHO.
You need some Troll spray, in Billy Goat Gruff scent.

87 solomonpanting  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 12:12:44pm

re: #79 lawhawk

a whole lot more Hamas that needs to be turned to humus

Soylent Green

88 yma o hyd  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 12:12:57pm

re: #13 MrPaulRevere

I just came across the gem at Huff Post..."There is a new name for America . Its called the Jewnited States of America.....There is starting a huge backlash in America against them because people are finally waking up. Same as the germans did in the 30's." Please note that comment was approved by a moderator. There is some serious craziness going around. [Link: www.huffingtonpost.com...]

I'd call it serious antisemitism.

89 jaunte  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 12:13:04pm

re: #81 zombie

Sounds more like a leftist troll to me, with the showers embellishment.

90 shanec99  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 12:13:14pm

re: #77 jaunte

Logic is a tool of the oppressor!


And murder is the tool of...?

91 Opinionated  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 12:13:38pm

Disproportionate!

Things have not changed in the last 2000 years,
Jews still do not fight fair,

One time in Rome a Jew was condemed to death.
Well they dug a hole in the Arena and placed him in the hole.
They buried him in the hole with only his head sticking above the hole.
A hungry lion was released into the arena.
The crowed tensed with excitement at the coming blood shed.
The hungry lion smelt the fear of the Jew and slowly but carefully approached the head of the man burried in the sand,.
The hungry lion opened his mouth to bite the head of his hapless victem, a Jew burried in the sand.
The as quick as lighting the Jew streched his stiff neck our and bit the lion on the tounge.
The lion roared with pain and ran away from the still living Jew.
The crowd sensed what happened and then as a single person they all rose from their seats and with a single voice cried out,"FIGHT FAIR JEW"

Credit unknown.

92 Desert Dog  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 12:13:47pm

re: #81 zombie

Ah, here's a pristine example of what I call the "troll jihad" -- a moby comment just left on zomblog:

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"134 Anonymous on Jan 4, 2009 at 11:06 am:

I was once sympathetic to the Palistinian cause. But now I have been enlightened by my Pro-Israeli brothers and sisters and have come to realize that all Palestinans are nothing but anti-semetic savages with no redeeming values. I say it is time for Israel to be brave enough to do that which finally must be done. It is time for the “final solution”. Don’t let those nukes degrade any further, put them to good use. Or perhaps a more ecologically sound approach might be to rehabilitate some of The Furher’s long abandoned delousing showers from Aushwitz and Buchenwald. It is time to show the world the ultimate act of moral courage and rid it of the Palestinian scourge."

----------

What's your opinion: was this left by a leftist, or an Islamist?

Such fake moby jihad comments are coming fast and thick in the last week -- several per hour.

I vote leftist....you can tell by the "I'm-way-smarter-than-you-fools sarcasm". I am sure he considers himself enlightened in a way us lower life forms on the right cannot comprehend.

93 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 12:14:07pm

re: #81 zombie

Islamist troll. A leftist probably wouldn't have used the phrase
... "brothers and sisters"

94 MandyManners  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 12:14:14pm

Oh, they use "putsch" to describe Hamas' actions!

95 Killgore Trout  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 12:14:18pm

re: #61 Dianna

I googled "Its called the Jewnited States of America." as a direct quote and huffpo was the only result. However, he's paraphrasing a common theme.

96 rain of lead  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 12:15:00pm

hey guys
not only can you send pizza to the IDF but they also do burgerspizza might get old after a while :)

97 zombie  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 12:15:22pm

Damn, one minute later, here comes another one. The mobys are RELENTLESS! :

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139 Muhamad Bendover on Jan 4, 2009 at 11:35 am:

Yeah let’s give all the camel jockeys the same weapons as the Jews, that should be funny. Is all they know how to do is blow themselves up. They are all such pussies, praying on the innocent palestinians to advance Iran’s agenda through Hamas and Hezbollah. I say we join the Jews and just kill all the camel jockeys, men women and children and wipe them off the face of the earth. Just start over and then we will all live in peace. Just prior to doing this we should drop all the fags into the area so that they burn up as well. Better yet, fuck gaza, let’s bomb San Fran and take that back first.

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Note to moonbats trolling for bad comments on LGF: This is a quote of phony moby comment left on a different blog, written by a leftist. So back off.

98 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 12:15:23pm

re: #83 goddessoftheclassroom

My reply...

MWAH!

AWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW!
MWAH!

99 MrPaulRevere  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 12:15:55pm

Zombie, this sounds like an orchestrated campaign to slam your blog, perhaps generated by the somethingawful crowd .

100 lifeofthemind  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 12:16:03pm

Abdullah of Amman has made noises about reevaluating the peace with Israel. If he does then he falls into the position of prisoner of those forces that his father spent 40 years saving his country from. The Hashemites will fall and Israel will be able to insist on reuniting Ramallah and Amman. The winners would be the Palestinians, who would have a viable state if they wanted one. The big losers would be the Gazans and Hamas and Egypt and Syria and Hezbollah and Iran, and their enablers in Russia and the EU. Powerful set of forces working against this but Abdullah is proving much less adept than his father.

101 jwb7605  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 12:16:29pm

re: #81 zombie

Ah, here's a pristine example of what I call the "troll jihad" -- a moby comment just left on zomblog:

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"134 Anonymous on Jan 4, 2009 at 11:06 am:

I was once sympathetic to the Palistinian cause. But now I have been enlightened by my Pro-Israeli brothers and sisters and have come to realize that all Palestinans are nothing but anti-semetic savages with no redeeming values. I say it is time for Israel to be brave enough to do that which finally must be done. It is time for the “final solution”. Don’t let those nukes degrade any further, put them to good use. Or perhaps a more ecologically sound approach might be to rehabilitate some of The Furher’s long abandoned delousing showers from Aushwitz and Buchenwald. It is time to show the world the ultimate act of moral courage and rid it of the Palestinian scourge."

----------

What's your opinion: was this left by a leftist, or an Islamist?

Such fake moby jihad comments are coming fast and thick in the last week -- several per hour.

my take.
The problem is determining whether "it" ended up at the bottom of the circle from a clockwise or counterclockwise direction.

102 lifeofthemind  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 12:16:36pm

Charles,
Spun and hung so I had to reload.

103 zombie  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 12:16:57pm

re: #99 MrPaulRevere

Zombie, this sounds like an orchestrated campaign to slam your blog, perhaps generated by the somethingawful crowd .

Personally, I think it's ANSWER doing it. I mention them in the post.

104 Dianna  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 12:17:09pm

re: #81 zombie

Leftist.

105 Killgore Trout  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 12:17:11pm

re: #97 zombie

You have quite an infestation going on. Do you know where they are coming from? You must be on some list or something.

106 Desert Dog  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 12:17:24pm

re: #97 zombie

Damn, one minute later, here comes another one. The mobys are RELENTLESS! :

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139 Muhamad Bendover on Jan 4, 2009 at 11:35 am:

Yeah let’s give all the camel jockeys the same weapons as the Jews, that should be funny. Is all they know how to do is blow themselves up. They are all such pussies, praying on the innocent palestinians to advance Iran’s agenda through Hamas and Hezbollah. I say we join the Jews and just kill all the camel jockeys, men women and children and wipe them off the face of the earth. Just start over and then we will all live in peace. Just prior to doing this we should drop all the fags into the area so that they burn up as well. Better yet, fuck gaza, let’s bomb San Fran and take that back first.

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Note to moonbats trolling for bad comments on LGF: This is a quote of phony moby comment left on a different blog, written by a leftist. So back off.

This one is not as educated as the last one, but just as sanctimonious.

107 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 12:17:40pm

re: #97 zombie

That one was definitely by a leftass. Used our vernacular.

108 landline  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 12:18:16pm

It seems that the mainstream media considers Palestinian blood redder than Israeli blood; how else can you explain all this condemnation of a sovereign nation for simply defending its citizenry from rocket attacks?

109 looking closely  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 12:18:32pm

re: #79 lawhawk

More Muqata: Approximately 500 terrorists killed so far with another 2500 wounded since the start of operations. About 30% of Hamas's strength.

I'd discount that number, but even if it's 250 terrorists killed, 1250 wounded, and 15% of strength, it's a good start. There's a whole lot more Hamas that needs to be turned to humus before peace is possible.

Its not the footsoldiers on the ground with their Kalashnikovs that matter, its the leadership, and their access to more advanced weapons.

To the extent that taking out the grunts helps with the former, and damages Hamas' morale, its good, but those numbers aren't by themselves meaningful.

110 jaunte  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 12:18:39pm

re: #97 zombie

Another leftist. I'll bet that one's a San Francisco resident.

111 Joo-LiZ  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 12:18:46pm

re: #81 zombie

Ah, here's a pristine example of what I call the "troll jihad" -- a moby comment just left on zomblog:

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"134 Anonymous on Jan 4, 2009 at 11:06 am:

I was once sympathetic to the Palistinian cause. But now I have been enlightened by my Pro-Israeli brothers and sisters and have come to realize that all Palestinans are nothing but anti-semetic savages with no redeeming values. I say it is time for Israel to be brave enough to do that which finally must be done. It is time for the “final solution”. Don’t let those nukes degrade any further, put them to good use. Or perhaps a more ecologically sound approach might be to rehabilitate some of The Furher’s long abandoned delousing showers from Aushwitz and Buchenwald. It is time to show the world the ultimate act of moral courage and rid it of the Palestinian scourge."

----------

What's your opinion: was this left by a leftist, or an Islamist?

Such fake moby jihad comments are coming fast and thick in the last week -- several per hour.

These people make me sick.

112 Cdat88  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 12:19:04pm

re: #81 zombie

Lefty troll. I am sure it probably comments in other areas how it is a hard core right winger who believes all Middle Easterners should die, Obama is a Mooslim with a fake certificate, you all know the rest. Red meat for the DU/KOS/HuffPo gang to spin as "typical" conservative/Republican folks.

113 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 12:20:27pm

re: #103 zombie

Zombie,
Is there any good reason for some of us to trundle over to zombietime and start whacking? My guess is, regarding this kind of crap, that there's not. Please advise.

/visualize Richard Boone ... with six-guns

114 looking closely  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 12:20:41pm

re: #108 landline

It seems that the mainstream media considers Palestinian blood redder than Israeli blood; how else can you explain all this condemnation of a sovereign nation for simply defending its citizenry from rocket attacks?

A simple explanation would be that they hate Jews.

Another (somewhat less satisfying) one is that the press always favors the "underdog", the weaker party in a conflict, regardless of which side has the morally superior claim.

115 shanec99  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 12:20:47pm

re: #91 Opinionated

Disproportionate!


Credit unknown.


Disproportionate is when you have only $60 and you want to go on vacation in Paris.
Disproportionate is when you earn $20,000 a year and take out an arm to buy a $1,000,000 house.
But it is not disproportionate to:
Fight back against a man who says he will kill you and everyone like you.
Purchased the weapons to carry out the threat to kill you and people like you,
Used those weapons to kill your friends,
and then attacked you.

116 mean Gene  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 12:20:48pm

re: #80 MJ

Good source of info on Palestinian Rocket attacks:

[Link: www.jewishpolicycenter.org...]

Combine that with the grids found here and you've got it all!
[Link: elderofziyon.blogspot.com...]

117 Jewels (AKA Julian)  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 12:21:52pm

lotsa very passionate people, it looks. they will be weeded out and given over to DKos since they can't refrain from screaming. I doubt very few of them remember anything past 1946 in RE: the ME

118 Opinionated  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 12:22:04pm

re: #81 zombie

A Leftist.

And the use of - Pro- Israeli "brothers and sisters" gives a clue too.

119 lawhawk  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 12:22:06pm

re: #109 looking closely

I'm aware of that too, and to that end, Israel has been taking out quite a few high level Hamas. Problem is that some of the bigwigs aren't even in Gaza.

Meshaal is busy drinking tea in the comfort of a residence in Damascus.

120 Dianna  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 12:22:08pm

re: #95 Killgore Trout

Thanks for your effort.

Ugh.

121 itellu3times  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 12:22:42pm

re: #81 zombie

I vote Islamist.

But you know what, moby though it be, I get at least a little perverse joy in seeing them do it.

122 Dianna  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 12:23:34pm

re: #103 zombie

Personally, I think it's ANSWER doing it. I mention them in the post.

That sounds about right.

123 mini_burkha_fan  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 12:24:22pm

Israel... a light unto the nations

Desperately tries to avoid civilian casualties in wartime
........a light unto the nations!

Allows in humanitarian aid to civilians
........a light unto the nations!

Does not celebrate at the downfall of its enemies
........a light unto the nations!

Expresses remorse for those civilians accidently killed
........a light unto the nations!

etc., etc

124 zombie  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 12:24:55pm

re: #105 Killgore Trout

You have quite an infestation going on. Do you know where they are coming from? You must be on some list or something.

I think the people who were in the protest itself have discovered the thread. Another theme running through the comments is, "I was there, what you see in the video didn't happen, we are innocuous," etc. Or, perhaps, Hatem Bazian is giving extra credit as part of a class assignment to discredit me. (He was the one inciting the crowd at the protest, though he is not depicted in the video.)

125 doppelganglander  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 12:25:20pm

re: #97 zombie

Definitely a lefty. Prime examples of what lefties think conservatives say, which of course bear no relation to anything I've ever seen or heard a conservative say IRL or online.

126 Ayatollah Ghilmeini  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 12:25:46pm

Iran's calling for the death of Mubarak is an amazing development. But openly calling for the murder of a head of state and putting a bounty on their head to back up the call is an act of war. Not that any international norm is ever observed by the regime. Things like this make it easy for Mubarak to work with Israel to wipe out Iran's proxy Hamas. And the Hezbos could be next!

Egypt is the most powerful and populous of all the Arab States and Mubarak has been killing people who threaten his life and power for decades, Iran has seriously crossed a line. Egypt has the ability to be very helpful in the fight against Iran.

The Islamist radicals are completely losing all semblance of rationality in the situation. This is how miscalculations happen.

Hamas has effectively been defeated. The fighting is not over but at this point they are fighting to survive at all, and they will not survive as an organization. The Iranian regime put as much as $2 billion of the Iranian people's oil money into Hamas and there is a crater where the money used to be. Oops. Even in the retarded non democracy of Iran, there are power struggles and the Hamas adventure will land squarely at the regime's feet creating opportunities for the opposition, both those inside and outside the current power structure. And the smarter Iranians are starting to wonder what happens if there is a war with Hezbollah and aside from that will an enraged Israel raid Iran.

Anyone with any military understanding knows there is nothing Iran or Hezbollah can do to save Hamas; but politically, the situation is toxic to Iran's leaders. It may make them feel they have to act, to fight a larger war or lose credibility as the vanguard of the Islamist fight against Israel. When people you refer to as vermin kick you in the teeth, this is a major public humiliation. They called Israel dead; well their "stinking corpse" has swatted Hamas like a gnat and is showing some pretty conclusive signs of life and strength. The events of the last few days are diametrically in opposition to the Ayatollah's worldview. They can lick their woulds and work on their bomb or put in practice what they claim they believe.

The good news is this war has not sapped Israel's strength in any way; Israel may decide the world's weak response, and Egyptian tacit approval, makes this the perfect time to strike Iran's nuclear program.

127 yma o hyd  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 12:25:59pm

re: #81 zombie

Ah, here's a pristine example of what I call the "troll jihad" -- a moby comment just left on zomblog:

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"134 Anonymous on Jan 4, 2009 at 11:06 am:

I was once sympathetic to the Palistinian cause. But now I have been enlightened by my Pro-Israeli brothers and sisters and have come to realize that all Palestinans are nothing but anti-semetic savages with no redeeming values. I say it is time for Israel to be brave enough to do that which finally must be done. It is time for the “final solution”. Don’t let those nukes degrade any further, put them to good use. Or perhaps a more ecologically sound approach might be to rehabilitate some of The Furher’s long abandoned delousing showers from Aushwitz and Buchenwald. It is time to show the world the ultimate act of moral courage and rid it of the Palestinian scourge."

----------

What's your opinion: was this left by a leftist, or an Islamist?

Such fake moby jihad comments are coming fast and thick in the last week -- several per hour.


Unbelievable! Absolutely disgusting.

I'd say this was a leftist, there are some phrases which would not occur to a jihadist, like the sentence about the more ecologically sound solution ...

Could you perhaps use a pre-screening, filtering programme, which flags all posts with certain key words, such as 'final solution', for example, for moderation?

128 MrPaulRevere  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 12:26:26pm

What they are doing to Zombie is internet harassment, pure and simple. Their intent is to keep him/her busy reading and deleting comments, so no other work gets done.

129 zombie  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 12:26:37pm

re: #113 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Zombie,
Is there any good reason for some of us to trundle over to zombietime and start whacking? My guess is, regarding this kind of crap, that there's not. Please advise.

/visualize Richard Boone ... with six-guns

I'm trying my best to delete the worst ones (though frankly I don't have the time and gumption to do it thoroughly)! So there's no need to smack them down as a commenter.

130 Killian Bundy  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 12:26:38pm

re: #81 zombie

What's your opinion: was this left by a leftist, or an Islamist?

/Obama voter, either way

131 [deleted]  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 12:27:09pm
132 descolada9  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 12:28:57pm

Charles, thank you for posting this video. To the IDF, I say a job well done regarding the making of this video. Sane people will watch this and be able to make informed opinions regarding the current situation. Sadly, the lunatic leftists and Islamists will do the chimpanzee and the feces thing while going on a rant.

Israel has bent over backwards and done somersaults to try and be peaceful with the Palestinians, particularly the ones in Gaza. All they have gotten in return is constant terror and horror. It would also seem that the Hamas leadership has pretty much exhausted their street cred with a large number of Arab countries, particularly Egypt, which has become tired of being involved in this conflict and the damages that Egypt takes when Hamas pulls stuff. Quite frankly, the time has come for the Gaza strip to be cleared. I know that should Israel undertake such a course they would do so with the effort for minimal loss of life and whatnot.

Unfortunately, no one else is willing to take the Palestinians and too many Western governments would scream for Israel to stop and to continue putting up with the thorn in its paw known as Hamastan.

Personally, I just hope that Israel can find a solution to the Hamas problem and if that includes leveling the Strip, then so be it. There is absolutely no reason for a nation to live in the constant fear of bombings, rocket attacks, suicide bombers, the indoctrination of children to become ethnic murderers, etc.

133 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 12:28:58pm

re: #125 doppelganglander

Definitely a lefty. Prime examples of what lefties think conservatives say, which of course bear no relation to anything I've ever seen or heard a conservative say IRL or online.

I agree. It would take a particularly unhinged "wingnut" to suggest nuking Gaza. That idea's incredibly insane. The writing of it simply has to be a parody.

134 Opinionated  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 12:29:52pm

re: #81 zombie

I change my vote.

It is neither an Islamic nor a Leftist.

It's a neo Nazi.

135 zombie  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 12:29:53pm

re: #127 yma o hyd

Could you perhaps use a pre-screening, filtering programme, which flags all posts with certain key words, such as 'final solution', for example, for moderation?

I'm not nearly as tech-savvy as Charles. He has built LGF from the ground up by hand, so he has all these wonderful customized tools. I'm just using a WordPress template, and my admin powers are therefore fairly limited. I can't even block IPs or individual commenters. And I'd have no idea how to set up a filter.

136 zombie  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 12:30:41pm

re: #128 MrPaulRevere

What they are doing to Zombie is internet harassment, pure and simple. Their intent is to keep him/her busy reading and deleting comments, so no other work gets done.

EXACTLY!

If this keeps up, I'm going to have to require WordPress registration, AND moderation of each comment.

137 itellu3times  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 12:31:22pm

re: #126 Ayatollah Ghilmeini

AG, I'd say it is not appropriate to gloat. If Israel gets every missile, kills every Hamas officer, and returns home with no more casualties, I don't see why things will not simply return to the bad status quo ante six months down the line. Where is even the first sign of rationality on the Palestinian side?

138 lifeofthemind  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 12:31:38pm

re: #103 zombie

Personally, I think it's ANSWER doing it. I mention them in the post.

You have an ANSWER infestation?
You need professional exterminators

139 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 12:31:46pm

re: #126 Ayatollah Ghilmeini

Holy Shit!
Does that student association have any prove-able ties to the Regime itself?

140 zombie  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 12:32:20pm

re: #134 Opinionated

I change my vote.

It is neither an Islamic nor a Leftist.

It's a neo Nazi.

Interesting theory!

141 itellu3times  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 12:32:53pm

re: #134 Opinionated

I change my vote.

It is neither an Islamic nor a Leftist.

It's a neo Nazi.

How about all of the above?

142 David IV of Georgia  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 12:32:53pm

At church I was surprised to see someone wearing a keffiyah. Then I noticed that it was printed all over with the words:

;שאלו, שלום ירושלם
صلاة للسلام في الق

I thought that was funny.


"Pray for the peace of Jerusalem." Psalm 122:6

143 rain of lead  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 12:33:08pm

re: #136 zombie

Zombie,
how does that saying go....oh yeah
"you know your over the target when you start catching flak :)

144 shanec99  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 12:33:20pm

re: #133 pre-Boomer Marine brat

I agree. It would take a particularly unhinged "wingnut" to suggest nuking Gaza. That idea's incredibly insane. The writing of it simply has to be a parody.

Nuking Gaza... what fool would suggest that?
One, too many innocents would die... nukes are such blunt instruments.
Two the fall out would make a large swath of land both Isreali and Arab land uninhabitable for generations.
Three, the resulting cancers, birth defects etc would go on long after the reason for fighting had passed.
Fools who suggests using nukes have no idea what the impact of a nuke would be on the affected populations.

145 albusteve  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 12:33:22pm

re: #126 Ayatollah Ghilmeini

remarkable turn of events....the beast is chasing it's tail

146 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 12:34:20pm

re: #136 zombie

EXACTLY!

If this keeps up, I'm going to have to require WordPress registration, AND moderation of each comment.

Do it!

/I'm gonna hit your tipjar in a little bit, just stuck a Post-It note on the front of the microwave

147 lifeofthemind  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 12:35:24pm

In the last 10 minuted I have seen a set of well reasoned posts here that are as good as anything on the Net. Congratulations lizards.

148 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 12:35:32pm

re: #129 zombie

I'm trying my best to delete the worst ones (though frankly I don't have the time and gumption to do it thoroughly)! So there's no need to smack them down as a commenter.

Thanks, ... then I'll have to find something to eat in the fridge ... (-:

149 yma o hyd  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 12:36:20pm

re: #135 zombie

I'm not nearly as tech-savvy as Charles. He has built LGF from the ground up by hand, so he has all these wonderful customized tools. I'm just using a WordPress template, and my admin powers are therefore fairly limited. I can't even block IPs or individual commenters. And I'd have no idea how to set up a filter.

Aww - I'm quite a few pay-grades lower that that in my computer literacy, and that was all i could think of on the spur of the moment.

Perhaps you could get a trusted West Coast Lizard to help you monitor your blog, with 'deleting' rights, temporarily?

150 Muadib  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 12:38:39pm

re: #81 zombie

What's your opinion: was this left by a leftist, or an Islamist?

BS from a moronic dirtbag blog insurgent.

151 lifeofthemind  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 12:40:32pm

Is there any legal tort created by cyber harassment, virtual vandalism or electronic malicious mischief? Should there be?

152 CapeCoddah  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 12:40:35pm

Hey all,
Check out this video of two best friends, an elephant and a dog. It is incredible.

153 shanec99  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 12:40:39pm

re: #31 Sharmuta

[Link: news.yahoo.com...]

Interesting picture- was the funeral held in the bathroom?


i wonder how many Israeli children cried because that child's terrorist relative plotted the murder of their family member.

154 zombie  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 12:40:48pm

Heh. One of the mobys has noticed I deleted his troll comments. He just left this comment:

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151 Anonymous on Jan 4, 2009 at 12:23 pm

This is really funny. I post pro-Israel comments on here and they misteriously dissapear. Typical left wing censorship

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Who do they think they're fooling?

155 CapeCoddah  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 12:40:53pm
156 Sharmuta  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 12:42:03pm

re: #153 shanec99

i wonder how many Israeli children cried because that child's terrorist relative plotted the murder of their family member.

The msm must not be interested in the victims of those "nagging" rockets.

157 rain of lead  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 12:42:27pm

re: #155 CapeCoddah

WTF!

158 lawhawk  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 12:42:40pm

re: #151 lifeofthemind

Is there any legal tort created by cyber harassment, virtual vandalism or electronic malicious mischief? Should there be?

Some jurisdictions do have laws on the books that criminalize harassment, vandalism, hacking, and other electronic/internet crimes.

For more, try here.

159 Arbalest  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 12:43:10pm

re: #136 zombie

The Wordpress registration seems to work for HotAir and MM: fewer trolls and those that do make it in receive punishment most severe.

You might also want to leave no more than 1 or 2 threads open at a time. This, and immediate banning of fools, will reduce the amount of of load on you.

160 NJDhockeyfan  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 12:43:36pm

re: #154 zombie

Heh. One of the mobys has noticed I deleted his troll comments. He just left this comment:

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151 Anonymous on Jan 4, 2009 at 12:23 pm

This is really funny. I post pro-Israel comments on here and they misteriously dissapear. Typical left wing censorship

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Who do they think they're fooling?

You gotta get up pretty early in the morning to fool the undead.

161 [deleted]  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 12:43:55pm
162 GordonMcStraun  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 12:44:01pm

Apologies if this has been posted, but this video shows exactly why Israel sometimes blows up Ambulances...

It apparently shows Hamas gunmen using an ambulance (marked UN and with a Red Cross) as a troop transport...

163 hazzyday  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 12:44:15pm

Couldn't view the video here. Says something like it is a private video and then clocks for a long time. Maybe a lot of people looking at ti.

164 VegasRick  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 12:44:22pm

re: #155 CapeCoddah

Your text to link...

Linky to da Stinky

165 shanec99  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 12:44:46pm

re: #156 Sharmuta

The msm must not be interested in the victims of those "nagging" rockets.


If the MSM as compsed today were active in WWII, then Sir Winston Churchill would have been called a war monger, and Neville Chamberlain a principled lion of peace and a man of vision with an appetite for justice.

166 lawhawk  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 12:44:51pm

re: #161 buzzsawmonkey

Leftist. Too coherent for an Islamist; most Islamist posts I have seen are more profane, have more spelling errors and less grammar. And the immediate lapse into the Hitler groove is Leftist conditioned reflex.

Why have one when you can have two at twice the price. He could be both a leftist and a Islamist.

167 CapeCoddah  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 12:44:55pm

re: #164 VegasRick

Linky to da Stinky

Sorry, I will try again
[Link: www.comcast.net...]

168 opnion  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 12:45:19pm

It does seem like something is different this time. Hamas apologists are given air time but the MSM is not nearly as shrill condemning Israel.
Arab leaders, Egypt, Saudi Arabia etc are fairly silent.
There are demonstartions in the West, but you got demonstrations for am allegedly defiled Koran. It almost seems like Arab leaders would like to see Hamas taken down.

169 Noam Sayin'  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 12:45:48pm
170 [deleted]  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 12:45:59pm
171 lifeofthemind  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 12:48:03pm

re: #158 lawhawk

Some jurisdictions do have laws on the books that criminalize harassment, vandalism, hacking, and other electronic/internet crimes.

For more, try here.

Maybe that will do zombie some good.

172 yma o hyd  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 12:48:08pm

re: #154 zombie

Heh. One of the mobys has noticed I deleted his troll comments. He just left this comment:

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151 Anonymous on Jan 4, 2009 at 12:23 pm

This is really funny. I post pro-Israel comments on here and they misteriously dissapear. Typical left wing censorship

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Who do they think they're fooling?

They're trying to fool their friends.
This is obviously all posted not just to harras you, but to posture in front of their cyber'friends'.

173 MandyManners  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 12:48:16pm

re: #154 zombie

Heh. One of the mobys has noticed I deleted his troll comments. He just left this comment:

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151 Anonymous on Jan 4, 2009 at 12:23 pm

This is really funny. I post pro-Israel comments on here and they misteriously dissapear. Typical left wing censorship

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Who do they think they're fooling?

174 shanec99  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 12:48:53pm

re: #169 Noam Sayin'

The proper way to carry "wounded."

By now the Arabs living in the vicinity of Israel (I refuse to call them Palestinian) should be really good at carrying the wounded... heavens they have lots of practice when the bombs they are fabricating to kill Israelis blow up prematurely and injure them... it happens all the time.

175 MandyManners  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 12:49:36pm

re: #169 Noam Sayin'

The proper way to carry "wounded."

Let's hope that little girl didn't have any kind of neck or back injuries before.

176 [deleted]  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 12:49:53pm
177 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 12:50:03pm

re: #169 Noam Sayin'

The proper way to carry "wounded."

... when using them as a human shield.

178 Muadib  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 12:50:05pm

re: #169 Noam Sayin'

The proper way to carry "wounded."

Obviously a highly trained professional KILLER.

179 yma o hyd  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 12:50:17pm

re: #156 Sharmuta

The msm must not be interested in the victims of those "nagging" rockets.

Course not - they never have been, why should they start now?
Especially since Israel takes care of her citizens, builds shelters, has warning systems.
No Israeli blood, therefore no suffering.

180 zombie  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 12:50:31pm

OK, after deleting five more moby comments, I just left this comment myself:

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Hi, this is the blog moderator here.

This thread is completely infested with trolls and mobys. A substantial portion of the comments on this post are phony, voicing extreme opinions to discredit the opposing side.

I've deleted some of the worst offenders, but from this point onward, I have no time or interest to monitor each comment to make sure trolls are not up to their tricks again. Take each comment here with a big grain of salt, and don't assume that because someone is expressing an extreme opinion in one direction that they actually believe what they're writing. Mostly, these comments are being written by leftists who are (not very believably) pretending to be racists who are pro-Israel, in order to discredit the Israeli side.

So, if you keep reading, beware: comments below this point are unmoderated and of unknown sincerity and provenance.

181 Noam Sayin'  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 12:51:27pm

For you military smarties, what kind of ordnance does this? I've seen pics of that type of air-burst several times over the weekend. Just curious.

182 shanec99  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 12:51:28pm

re: #175 MandyManners

Let's hope that little girl didn't have any kind of neck or back injuries before.


He doesnt care, all she is to him is a prop for the and Israel media houses and a human shield when the IDF goes after him.

183 lifeofthemind  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 12:51:41pm

re: #165 shanec99

If the MSM as compsed today were active in WWII, then Sir Winston Churchill would have been called a war monger, and Neville Chamberlain a principled lion of peace and a man of vision with an appetite for justice.

They said exactly that and more. In fairness, Chamberlain was wrong but was not weak, he worked to correct his errors before he died, served Churchill loyally in the War Cabinet and was the driving force behind setting up the Special Operations Executive (SOE).

184 lawhawk  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 12:51:45pm

I call BS. Fear yes. Shortages? Nope.

If there are shortages, blame Hamas. They're busy using sugar and fertilizer to build their kassams. Food? What's that? It gets in the way of their war with Israel.

Dead and starving Palestinians are props to Hamas. It's grievance theater to them, and the world laps it up uncritically.

185 debutaunt  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 12:51:49pm

re: #165 shanec99

If the MSM as compsed today were active in WWII, then Sir Winston Churchill would have been called a war monger, and Neville Chamberlain a principled lion of peace and a man of vision with an appetite for justice.

Would we now be bi-lingual?

186 [deleted]  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 12:52:42pm
187 MandyManners  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 12:53:20pm

re: #176 buzzsawmonkey

The same song occurred to me. Upding!

It leapt right off the screen!

188 solomonpanting  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 12:53:41pm

re: #173 MandyManners

Another S&G song sort of fits:

189 yma o hyd  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 12:53:51pm

re: #165 shanec99

If the MSM as compsed today were active in WWII, then Sir Winston Churchill would have been called a war monger, and Neville Chamberlain a principled lion of peace and a man of vision with an appetite for justice.

Yep - and they would have reported about the innocent German civilians, victims of the warmongering Allied bombing raids ...

Mind - they wouldn't have found out about the KZs, but they'd certainly have had some guided tours round some spruced-up re-education camps.
Stalin, after all, had already shown the Germans how to do this ...

190 alegrias  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 12:53:58pm

"Escape From Hamas" (chilling interview of the Palestinian former Hamas hood by reporter Jonathan Hunt) was excellent last night. Please consider watching this young man tell tales from inside terrorist Hamas where his father and uncle are big capos committing crimes against Israel.

That a committed Hamas/Islamic jihadist can become a Christian who preaches "love your enemy" is a great turn of events. May this young man be spared the death sentence Al Qaeda has declared against him for LEAVING ISLAM and criticizing it as a "drug" not a peaceful religion.

Jonathan Hunt the reporter also exposed the pro-Saddam Hussein cheaters in the UN Oil chits for Food Scandal.

Fox News Cable reporters mostly rock!

191 MandyManners  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 12:54:07pm

re: #182 shanec99

He doesnt care, all she is to him is a prop for the and Israel media houses and a human shield when the IDF goes after him.

Big, ol' rag doll.

192 shanec99  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 12:54:17pm

re: #185 debutaunt

Would we now be bi-lingual?


no quadro lingual (lol)... English, Japanese, German and Italian.

193 Flying Dutchman  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 12:54:23pm

Hi all !

I just tried to click but I can't get it to work, it says it's a "private video"

Has anyone else the same message ?

194 Desert Dog  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 12:54:38pm

re: #181 Noam Sayin'

Kinda looks more like chaff flares

195 MandyManners  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 12:54:48pm

re: #181 Noam Sayin'

For you military smarties, what kind of ordnance does this? I've seen pics of that type of air-burst several times over the weekend. Just curious.

Looks like something I'd see on the Fourth of July.

196 jamgarr  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 12:55:42pm

Air-burst ordnance can be artillery, rocket or other. I've noticed alot of them too thius time.

197 MandyManners  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 12:55:49pm

re: #186 buzzsawmonkey

And if I was the President-elect
And my supporters called my name
I'd say now, "Who? Who do you think I'm fooling?
I've got the President-elect seal
Up on the President-elect website
Oh, the media love me, they love me
Their legs tingle as they hug me
They love me like Barack
They think that I'm Barack of Ages
They love me love me love me..."

Bravo! Extra points for the use of the "tingle".

198 alegrias  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 12:55:53pm

re: #168 opnion

It does seem like something is different this time. Hamas apologists are given air time but the MSM is not nearly as shrill condemning Israel.
Arab leaders, Egypt, Saudi Arabia etc are fairly silent.
There are demonstartions in the West, but you got demonstrations for am allegedly defiled Koran. It almost seems like Arab leaders would like to see Hamas taken down.

* * *
Of course some Arab leaders want to see IRANian supported Hamas taken down! They're too chicken to call out Iran themselves and hide behind Israel's ballsy actions.

199 jamgarr  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 12:56:14pm

re: #193 Flying Dutchman

Hi all !

I just tried to click but I can't get it to work, it says it's a "private video"

Has anyone else the same message ?


Me too.

200 MandyManners  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 12:57:04pm

re: #188 solomonpanting

Another S&G song sort of fits:

Why, yes it does.

201 Wilderstad  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 12:57:30pm

re: #193 Flying Dutchman

Got the same message.

202 jwb7605  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 12:57:42pm

re: #195 MandyManners

Looks like something I'd see on the Fourth of July.

That was my thought, along with chaff flares as desert dog says.
Not much difference between the two, except intent.

I think our town mayor used to use them trying kill everybody who didn't vote for him on the 4th display.

We'd all go "oooh, aaaah, missed again!"

203 shanec99  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 12:57:47pm

night yall... need some sleep... full day tomorrow, almost midnight here.

204 [deleted]  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 12:57:55pm
205 Desert Dog  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 12:57:56pm

re: #195 MandyManners

Looks like something I'd see on the Fourth of July.

They launch them to fool or trick infrared guidance systems....the flares are hotter than the engine of the aircraft, so any surface to air missile with that type of guidance will lock on to the hotter flare...that's the theory at least.

206 lifeofthemind  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 12:58:01pm
207 rain of lead  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 12:58:08pm

well it looks like the ravens are comming to nashville next sat
gonna be some some cooked bird next week

208 Kragar  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 12:58:14pm

Religion of Ghouls

Bodies of Hamas leader's children paraded as group promises 'painful' revenge for their deaths

The bodies of a senior Hamas leader's small children were today ghoulishly paraded through the streets of Gaza as the group pledged to avenge their deaths.

Nizar Rayan, his four wives and 10 of his children were all killed by in an Israeli air strike on his home after he ignored warnings they should go into hiding.

In grisly scenes, mourners held up the bloodied bodies of the children to the cameras in a clear attempt to blacken Israel's name and highlight its brutality.

209 Flying Dutchman  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 12:58:56pm

re: #199 jamgarr

Me too.


A YouTube trick or what ?

I'll try to contact Charles by email, he probably isn't aware of this

210 opnion  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 12:59:04pm

re: #198 alegrias

* * *
Of course some Arab leaders want to see IRANian supported Hamas taken down! They're too chicken to call out Iran themselves and hide behind Israel's ballsy actions.


That sounds right. There was a gut from al Arybia on this morning, I think Meet the Press. His schtick was that if Bush would have reached out to Iran, none of this would be happening.

211 lawhawk  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 12:59:43pm

re: #181 Noam Sayin'

Quite likely 155 mm HE/WP/ airburst. See here.

212 Kragar  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 1:00:41pm

re: #199 jamgarr

Me too.

I think you can post videos as private, meaning you have to give specific access for people to view them and not allow them to be viewed by everyone

213 machalot  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 1:00:43pm

re: #193 Flying Dutchman

Yes.

214 Kragar  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 1:02:04pm

re: #210 opnion

That sounds right. There was a gut from al Arybia on this morning, I think Meet the Press. His schtick was that if Bush would have reached out to Iran, none of this would be happening.

If by reach out, he means sustained bombardment and assassinations of Iranian leaders, I would have to agree,

215 Noam Sayin'  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 1:02:26pm

I've also seen this phraseology used quite a bit this weekend.

An Israeli Apache helicopter flies over the northern Gaza Strip after firing a weapons system January 4, 2009.

Clearly, what the helicopter is dropping there are flares to throw off anti-aircraft weapons. But the carefully worded sentence doesn't specify that, and the reader might be lead to believe those are the "weapons system."

216 Digital Display  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 1:03:55pm

re: #210 opnion

That sounds right. There was a gut from al Arybia on this morning, I think Meet the Press. His schtick was that if Bush would have reached out to Iran, none of this would be happening.

I saw that..Didn't he say if Bush wasn't so distracted from Iraq this would have never happened..
So one last time.. ( Mostly)
I BLAME BUSH!

217 Ayatollah Ghilmeini  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 1:03:57pm

re: #139 pre-Boomer Marine brat

I don't think the entire student population of Iran could put together a million bucks on their own? Moreover the regime suppresses anything students do they don't like. The regime took their Niedermeyers and lined the stooges up and in front of the cameras to announce the bounty.

218 Noam Sayin'  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 1:04:05pm

re: #211 lawhawk

Thanks. Like Mandy said, they look like fireworks.

219 Wishing  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 1:04:17pm

re: #203 shanec99

night yall... need some sleep... full day tomorrow, almost midnight here.

Sleep well!

220 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 1:04:35pm

re: #180 zombie

I just sent a msg along with a tip-jar submission.
It was spurred by what's going on today with these [deleted].
Maybe it might help.

221 Kragar  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 1:04:35pm

re: #215 Noam Sayin'

I've also seen this phraseology used quite a bit this weekend.


Clearly, what the helicopter is dropping there are flares to throw off anti-aircraft weapons. But the carefully worded sentence doesn't specify that, and the reader might be lead to believe those are the "weapons system."

It means the "reporters" are clueless fucking idiots who dont check the facts about anything, merely report what they think happened or mindlessly repeat want what their told by the terrorist scum they support.

222 rumcrook  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 1:05:29pm

re: #129 zombie

you should definately do the wordpress thing, that would get a handle on it.

223 Wishing  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 1:05:45pm

re: #211 lawhawk

Quite likely 155 mm HE/WP/ airburst. See here.

What is the purpose of the airburst? Lighting?

224 Ayatollah Ghilmeini  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 1:05:52pm

re: #137 itellu3times

Israel is going to hand Gaza to Egypt and the PA with the understanding (and the personal desire on the part of the new government) they keep a lid on things. in exchange there will be aid and help rebuilding and make them look good/

225 solomonpanting  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 1:06:03pm

Some governments have shadow cabinets. So far, Obama has a cabinet under a shadow.

226 jwb7605  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 1:06:24pm

re: #223 Wishing

What is the purpose of the airburst? Lighting?

It sets the romantic mood for the evening.

227 alegrias  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 1:06:49pm

re: #214 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

If by reach out, he means sustained bombardment and assassinations of Iranian leaders, I would have to agree,

* * *
That's the kind of "Reach out & touch" Iran I like took, Kafir. You are funny.

228 Wishing  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 1:06:50pm

re: #226 jwb7605

It sets the romantic mood for the evening.

lol gee thanks!

229 zombie  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 1:06:59pm

re: #220 pre-Boomer Marine brat

I just sent a msg along with a tip-jar submission.
It was spurred by what's going on today with these [deleted].
Maybe it might help.

Thank you!

230 Ojoe  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 1:07:24pm

Delenda

231 [deleted]  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 1:07:31pm
232 jwb7605  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 1:07:32pm

re: #224 Ayatollah Ghilmeini

Israel is going to hand Gaza to Egypt and the PA with the understanding (and the personal desire on the part of the new government) they keep a lid on things. in exchange there will be aid and help rebuilding and make them look good/

Did you just make that up or (please, please, let it be true) is there some substance to support that?

233 rumcrook  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 1:07:37pm

re: #154 zombie
who do they think thier fooling?
thier mothers. thats who.

everyone else thinks thier as*****les

234 Noam Sayin'  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 1:07:51pm

re: #223 Wishing

What is the purpose of the airburst? Lighting?

It's more effective than detonating on the ground.

235 Flying Dutchman  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 1:08:43pm

re: #213 machalot

Yes.

I also "reported" one of my comments on the subject with the provided button, hope Charles gets it to fix (or change the video).

Anyone saved this video ? If yes put it online somewhere else or sent it to me and I'll do it !

236 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 1:09:54pm

Advantage Fox Football coverage...

No Olbermann.

237 Sheila Broflovski  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 1:10:25pm

My son called from Toronto, wanting to know the latest news, which he can't get up in moonbat-media Canuckistan. He also refuses to get Internets, fearing that it may harm his children.

I have told him repeatedly that I am sick of making all his airline, hotel, and car rental reservations and being his news source. In other words, he should get his own Interwebs.

238 Flying Dutchman  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 1:11:09pm

Charles has updated the front page post confirming the video no longer works

239 alegrias  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 1:11:10pm

May I say Hanan Ashrawi the Palestinian "journalist" and now Palestinian Legislative Council person (and former Peter Jennings' girlfriend! Uggghhh!)
and APOLOGIST for terrorists, is still ugly sounding.

(heard her last night on Fox News decrying the Israeli's muscular self defense actions.)

240 [deleted]  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 1:11:24pm
241 Digital Display  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 1:11:30pm

re: #236 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Advantage Fox Football coverage...

No Olbermann.

Wasn't Olbermann fired from ESPN years ago?

242 Wishing  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 1:11:31pm

re: #234 Noam Sayin'

It's more effective than detonating on the ground.

Please explain?

243 solomonpanting  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 1:11:45pm

re: #231 buzzsawmonkey

I keep trying to figure out how to work something about Dr. Caligari into comments on Obama's cabinet.

I'm not familiar with the story, but perhaps you can use this line:

Cesare falls to his death during the pursuit, and the townsfolk discover that Caligari had created a dummy to distract Francis

244 transient  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 1:12:08pm

re: #169 Noam Sayin'

Just idly wondering how many of the 602 photos currently on that site are of destruction wrought by Hamas rockets/mortars on Israeli towns and villages.

245 Kragar  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 1:12:19pm

re: #223 Wishing

What is the purpose of the airburst? Lighting?

3 type of explosive bursts, air, ground and subsurface. Depending on the desired effects, you would use different munitions. Air burst maximizes the explosive force over a wider area, ground burst maximizes force at point of impact, subsurface is used for cratering and to kick up more debris.

246 debutaunt  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 1:12:21pm

re: #237 Alouette

My son called from Toronto, wanting to know the latest news, which he can't get up in moonbat-media Canuckistan. He also refuses to get Internets, fearing that it may harm his children.

I have told him repeatedly that I am sick of making all his airline, hotel, and car rental reservations and being his news source. In other words, he should get his own Interwebs.

Tell him that you got rid of your Interwebs so you won't harm your child.

247 alegrias  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 1:12:36pm

re: #237 Alouette

My son called from Toronto, wanting to know the latest news, which he can't get up in moonbat-media Canuckistan. He also refuses to get Internets, fearing that it may harm his children.

I have told him repeatedly that I am sick of making all his airline, hotel, and car rental reservations and being his news source. In other words, he should get his own Interwebs.

* * *
Ah, Alouette, gentil no more Alouette!

Thanks for standing up for yourself. You're doing your son a favor by encouraging him to get his own access to factual information.

248 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 1:12:47pm

re: #238 Flying Dutchman

Charles has updated the front page post confirming the video no longer works

Maybe they decided that they don't have to explain a damn thing to anyone.

249 Sheila Broflovski  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 1:12:53pm

Operation Cast Lead T Shirts available now at the Zionist Mall!

250 jaunte  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 1:12:56pm

re: #240 buzzsawmonkey

Maybe you can't find a loaf of bread in Gaza, but I bet you can find a lot of people who have been bred to be loafers.

It's a pita.

251 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 1:13:03pm

re: #217 Ayatollah Ghilmeini

I don't think the entire student population of Iran could put together a million bucks on their own? Moreover the regime suppresses anything students do they don't like. The regime took their Niedermeyers and lined the stooges up and in front of the cameras to announce the bounty.

You're probably right.

I'd like to know what (if any) kind of "word" is being circulated in (*cough*) "certain quarters". If this is a for-real bounty, that fact is being made known.

/with the right kind of word being put out, they could use Baghdad Bob

252 Wishing  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 1:13:17pm

re: #245 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

3 type of explosive bursts, air, ground and subsurface. Depending on the desired effects, you would use different munitions. Air burst maximizes the explosive force over a wider area, ground burst maximizes force at point of impact, subsurface is used for cratering and to kick up more debris.

Ok, it just seems almost out-of-control to explode stuff up in the sky?

253 looking closely  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 1:13:17pm

re: #217 Ayatollah Ghilmeini

I don't think the entire student population of Iran could put together a million bucks on their own? Moreover the regime suppresses anything students do they don't like. The regime took their Niedermeyers and lined the stooges up and in front of the cameras to announce the bounty.


Its been (allegedly) been reported by Iran's official news agency, so an offer was made, but realistically, its probably NOT a legitimate offer. IE, how is anyone going to "collect"?

I can't find the offer on the English-language version of the Fars website.

But I did find these "gems":

UFO crashes in central Iran. (EG probably a military airplane crash).

Israel continues massacre of Palestinians in Gaza
, gallery (self explantory).

254 opnion  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 1:13:32pm

re: #216 HoosierHoops

I saw that..Didn't he say if Bush wasn't so distracted from Iraq this would have never happened..
So one last time.. ( Mostly)
I BLAME BUSH!

That was the guy & the rest of the panel just sat there. To give this guy any credence, you would have to believe that if Bush would have just made nice, Amandinejad would have said, "You know, I think that Jews are nice.
I"m gonna vacation in Israel.

255 Wishing  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 1:13:54pm

re: #250 jaunte

It's a pita.

..she said with a rye smile...

256 solomonpanting  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 1:14:09pm

re: #240 buzzsawmonkey

Maybe you can't find a loaf of bread in Gaza, but I bet you can find a lot of people who have been bred to be loafers.

I love your Jewish rye humor.

257 transient  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 1:14:21pm

re: #239 alegrias

May I say Hanan Ashrawi the Palestinian "journalist" and now Palestinian Legislative Council person (and former Peter Jennings' girlfriend! Uggghhh!)
and APOLOGIST for terrorists, is still ugly sounding.

Like most Palestinian spokespeople, she lies unabashedly.

258 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 1:14:42pm

re: #255 Wishing

..she said with a rye smile...

Great. Now we're gonna have a bunch of buns.

259 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 1:14:46pm

re: #226 jwb7605

It sets the romantic mood for the evening.

GAAAAAAHHHHH!
ROFLMAO!

260 opnion  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 1:15:01pm

re: #214 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

If by reach out, he means sustained bombardment and assassinations of Iranian leaders, I would have to agree,

I do believe that he had something more submissive in mind.

261 lawhawk  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 1:15:26pm

re: #223 Wishing

It's going to be used to do one of several things - killing terrorists, illuminating targets, or both.

262 transient  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 1:15:54pm

re: #240 buzzsawmonkey

Maybe you can't find a loaf of bread in Gaza, but I bet you can find a lot of people who have been bred to be loafers.

Problem with the Palestinians is they've never known what side their bread is buttered on.

263 alegrias  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 1:16:01pm

re: #240 buzzsawmonkey

Maybe you can't find a loaf of bread in Gaza, but I bet you can find a lot of people who have been bred to be loafers.

* * *
If you can store missiles in your house, you can stockpile food & water for your children.

IF you cared about your children, you would stockpile things your children need, not weapons HAMAS wants you to stockpile.

264 Wishing  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 1:16:42pm

re: #253 looking closely

Its been (allegedly) been reported by Iran's official news agency, so an offer was made, but realistically, its probably NOT a legitimate offer. IE, how is anyone going to "collect"?

I can't find the offer on the English-language version of the Fars website.

But I did find these "gems":

UFO crashes in central Iran. (EG probably a military airplane crash).

Israel continues massacre of Palestinians in Gaza
, gallery (self explantory).

Check out picture #18 on your second link: WTF?

265 Flying Dutchman  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 1:16:50pm

re: #248 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Maybe they decided that they don't have to explain a damn thing to anyone.

All the IDF says is anyway "distorted or ignored" by the MSM...

I'm just sorry that I have missed it as I save most interesting videos "just in case" it disappears".

Was it worth saving ?

266 Ford_Prefect  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 1:16:51pm

re: #258 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Great. Now we're gonna have a bunch of buns.

We are just getting to the crust of the matter.

267 Kragar  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 1:17:13pm

re: #252 Wishing

Ok, it just seems almost out-of-control to explode stuff up in the sky?

Like I said, depends on the munitions you are using, the target and the desired effect. Enemy troops in the open would use a HE airburst, since they would have no cover and you could maximize casualties. Enemies in a bunker complex would require HE/AT or other sorts of penetrating round in a ground effect to smash thru the bunker if you were attempting to kill them, while air bursts could be used if you were simply trying to keep them pinned down for a while.

268 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 1:17:32pm

re: #252 Wishing

Ok, it just seems almost out-of-control to explode stuff up in the sky?

If that's white phosphorus, it's anti-personnel, or to create a smoke screen. Whichever it is, it's meant to affect an area of ground, not a specific point, such as a bunker.

269 transient  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 1:17:56pm

NOW can we stop funding Palestinian welfare, aka UNWRA?

270 Kragar  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 1:18:11pm

re: #260 opnion

I do believe that he had something more submissive in mind.

The Iranian leaders would simply bare their throats and let Bush unleash a pack of wild dogs?

I guess that works too.

271 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 1:18:15pm

re: #229 zombie

Keep up the valuable work.
*salute*

272 alegrias  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 1:18:18pm

re: #250 jaunte

It's a pita.

* * *
And hummus is easy to stockpile in cans, or make from stockpiled dried garbanzos, sesame seed paste, garlic & olive oil & lemon juice.

Protein is easy to keep on hand if you want your children fed.

273 [deleted]  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 1:18:25pm
274 debutaunt  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 1:18:33pm

re: #263 alegrias

* * *
If you can store missiles in your house, you can stockpile food & water for your children.

IF you cared about your children, you would stockpile things your children need, not weapons HAMAS wants you to stockpile.

If these people are actually nomadic, they should get a move on to quieter places.

275 looking closely  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 1:18:50pm

re: #263 alegrias

* * *
IF you cared about your children, you would stockpile things your children need, not weapons HAMAS wants you to stockpile.


Unless HAMAS threatens to kill your children if you don't.

276 Wishing  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 1:19:07pm

re: #267 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

re: #268 pre-Boomer Marine brat

re: #261 lawhawk

Thanks!

277 transient  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 1:19:48pm

re: #267 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Wasn't there a weapon that could be used in bunkers to suck all the air out? There was some discussion of that in '06 during the Lebanon war, but not sure if it was used, or if Israel even has it.

278 [deleted]  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 1:19:51pm
279 alegrias  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 1:20:02pm

re: #269 transient

NOW can we stop funding Palestinian welfare, aka UNWRA?

* * * *
YESTERDAY we could have stopped funding Palis. Under Obama, we will no doubt DOUBLE our terror funding.

280 Ayatollah Ghilmeini  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 1:20:08pm

The operational tempo of the fight so far and the casualty reports are looking like Hamas' formal resistance is much weaker than expected. There is plenty of tough fighting ahead but I expected a lot more casualties in the first 24 hours of ground combat. To say this is a pleasant surprise, is to understate the case.

While there were going to be few casualties in moving up to close assault the Gaza city, the army went right in hard (you don't stop to let the enemy catch their breath), it seems to have utter disrupted Hamas battle plan.

If the trend continues, this will be one of the more lopsided of Israel's victories. And Hamas, who talked such big words about Israel's powerlessness and fear of fighting are shown to be weak and cowards to boot.

Unless Hamas has huge uncommitted resources, Gaza City may be under control in a couple more days.

If this all bears out it is huge.

G-d please let it be so.

281 Digital Display  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 1:20:16pm

re: #272 alegrias

* * *
And hummus is easy to stockpile in cans, or make from stockpiled dried garbanzos, sesame seed paste, garlic & olive oil & lemon juice.

Protein is easy to keep on hand if you want your children fed.

Sure..But the Juiced blew up all the powdered milk the first night of bombing
/

282 opnion  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 1:20:58pm

re: #270 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

The Iranian leaders would simply bare their throats and let Bush unleash a pack of wild dogs?

I guess that works too.

I wonder if Obama still plans to go to an Islamic capital to suck up.
It will send a real bad message if he does the moral equivalence thing or worse.

283 Desert Dog  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 1:21:14pm

re: #240 buzzsawmonkey

Maybe you can't find a loaf of bread in Gaza, but I bet you can find a lot of people who have been bred to be loafers.

We ain't talking Florsheim neither

284 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 1:21:30pm

re: #250 jaunte

It's a pita.

I'm gonna keep my own thoughts in my pocket

285 jwb7605  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 1:21:44pm

re: #267 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Like I said, depends on the munitions you are using, the target and the desired effect. Enemy troops in the open would use a HE airburst, since they would have no cover and you could maximize casualties. Enemies in a bunker complex would require HE/AT or other sorts of penetrating round in a ground effect to smash thru the bunker if you were attempting to kill them, while air bursts could be used if you were simply trying to keep them pinned down for a while.


Using the ground-contact or delayed (penetrating) burst would not be consistent with the "precision targeting" weapons and techniques that the Israelis are using.

... unless there are many hundreds of Hamas "soldiers" hunkered down in a bunch, not hiding behind skirts (which would be out of character for Hamas).

286 MarineGrunt  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 1:21:48pm

re: #223 Wishing


What is the purpose of the airburst? Lighting?

Smoke screen.

287 jaunte  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 1:22:00pm

re: #284 pre-Boomer Marine brat

I challah emulate your example.

288 looking closely  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 1:22:05pm

re: #264 Wishing

Check out picture #18 on your second link: WTF?


You mean this one?
Image: plarg.php?nn=M412853.jpg
Sort of odd.

Looks like a soldier (presumably Israeli) pointing a gun that three non-uniformed combatants. I'll guess (and its no more than a guess) that he's shooting a tear gas cartridge.

Problem with the image is that its been taken from behind the soldier in question. If that's an Israeli, then only another Israeli could have taken it.

289 Wishing  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 1:22:28pm

re: #282 opnion

I wonder if Obama still plans to go to an Islamic capital to suck up.
It will send a real bad message if he does the moral equivalence thing or worse.

The Deputy Ambassadort, US, to the UN said last night: There is NO moral equivalence between the terror of Hamas and Israel's response.
I coulda kissed the guy!

290 lsuchamps03  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 1:22:29pm

Hello lizards,
You know, watching the MSM cover the ground invasion into Gaza is like pulling teth. It's hard to stomach most of the time, that's why I'm here!

291 Kragar  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 1:22:31pm

re: #268 pre-Boomer Marine brat

If that's white phosphorus, it's anti-personnel, or to create a smoke screen. Whichever it is, it's meant to affect an area of ground, not a specific point, such as a bunker.

We were taught that officially, WP was not to be used on personnel, but could be used as an incendiary, smoke, or to mark a target for artillery.

Of course that led to the example "Infantry in the open, mark them for Arty. THEY'RE RUNNING! MARK EM AGAIN! Um, nevermind the arty."

We were also told the .50 cal was only to be used against equipment. Of course, helmets, rifles, cammies and boots all can be considered equipment.

292 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 1:22:55pm

re: #277 transient

Wasn't there a weapon that could be used in bunkers to suck all the air out? There was some discussion of that in '06 during the Lebanon war, but not sure if it was used, or if Israel even has it.

Fuel-air bomb, I think

293 alegrias  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 1:23:03pm

re: #275 looking closely

Unless HAMAS threatens to kill your children if you don't.

* * *
True, but Hamas cannot threaten all of the Pali people all of the time.

As that former Hamas young man related on Fox News "Escape from
Hamas" last night, there IS Escape from Hamas IF you want it.

294 transient  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 1:23:06pm

re: #282 opnion

Wonder when he plans to give the speech. Doing it on the heels of the Israeli operation would probably not go over well, unless he flat out condemns Israel. I expect a lot of "cycle of violence" BS.

295 Wishing  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 1:23:34pm

re: #288 looking closely

You mean this one?
[Link: english.farsnews.com...]
Sort of odd.

Looks like a soldier (presumably Israeli) pointing a gun that three non-uniformed combatants. I'll guess (and its no more than a guess) that he's shooting a tear gas cartridge.

Problem with the image is that its been taken from behind the soldier in question. If that's an Israeli, then only another Israeli could have taken it.

My guess is that is some stock photo, not current incursion.

296 Killian Bundy  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 1:24:01pm

CNN

/hatin' on the Jews 24/7

297 jaunte  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 1:24:10pm

re: #293 alegrias

That was an epic mental journey he made. I wonder how many others are capable of doing the same?

298 transient  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 1:24:54pm

re: #292 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Fuel-air bomb, I think

I remember something with a fancier name.

299 alegrias  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 1:25:14pm

re: #281 HoosierHoops

Sure..But the Juiced blew up all the powdered milk the first night of bombing
/

* * * *
There's no powdered milk in hummus. Nice try, Juice!

You can't fool this hummus fan!

300 Ford_Prefect  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 1:25:19pm

re: #295 Wishing

My guess is that is some stock photo, not current incursion.

Funny you should say that. I could have sworn I had seen this picture(No. 8) before.

301 Desert Dog  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 1:25:31pm

re: #298 transient

I remember something with a fancier name.

Say Hello to Allah for Me Bomb

302 debutaunt  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 1:25:42pm

OT. I use Norton to keep my computer safe. It has been giving an update failure with different errors. I attempted to follow the 'fix' steps, but it didn't help. Norton comes up for renewal in 30 days. Any lizardy suggestions?

303 jaunte  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 1:26:01pm

re: #298 transient

Moab:
[Link: www.metacafe.com...]

304 Kragar  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 1:26:06pm

re: #277 transient

Wasn't there a weapon that could be used in bunkers to suck all the air out? There was some discussion of that in '06 during the Lebanon war, but not sure if it was used, or if Israel even has it.

2 ways I can think of. A high moving projectile can cause a vacuum effect or you can use a reaction to consume oxygen in an blast area. Many of the so called Israeli superweapons used in '06 turned out to be hoaxes conjured up by leftist idiots.

305 Wishing  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 1:26:13pm

re: #300 Ford_Prefect

Funny you should say that. I could have sworn I had seen this picture(No. 8) before.

Hmm wasn't that from up in the north when supposedly Israel killed all those kids?

306 transient  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 1:26:26pm

re: #292 pre-Boomer Marine brat

re: #298 transient

Thermobaric weapon = fuel air bomb.
You're right, PBMB.

307 alegrias  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 1:26:41pm

re: #296 Killian Bundy

CNN

/hatin' on the Jews 24/7

* * *
CNN, Lovin' the Fidel Castro 24/7!
Hatin' the Infidel 24/7...

308 Ford_Prefect  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 1:27:04pm

re: #305 Wishing

Hmm wasn't that from up in the north when supposedly Israel killed all those kids?

Possibly. I am not sure. It just looks very familiar to me.

309 Flying Dutchman  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 1:27:20pm

re: #276 Wishing

re: #268 pre-Boomer Marine brat

re: #261 lawhawk

Thanks!

Me too, I've been wondering what king of ordnance it was

310 debutaunt  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 1:27:21pm

re: #298 transient

I remember something with a fancier name.

Fat gaspy boy?

311 Kragar  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 1:27:26pm

re: #285 jwb7605

Using the ground-contact or delayed (penetrating) burst would not be consistent with the "precision targeting" weapons and techniques that the Israelis are using.

... unless there are many hundreds of Hamas "soldiers" hunkered down in a bunch, not hiding behind skirts (which would be out of character for Hamas).

Never said the Israelis were doing that. I was simply listing examples of how the different types could be used

312 Wishing  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 1:27:33pm

re: #302 debutaunt

OT. I use Norton to keep my computer safe. It has been giving an update failure with different errors. I attempted to follow the 'fix' steps, but it didn't help. Norton comes up for renewal in 30 days. Any lizardy suggestions?

Personally, I wouldn't have Norton NEAR my computer. LOL
I use free AVG and have NEVER had a problem (+4years)

313 [deleted]  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 1:27:54pm
314 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 1:28:00pm

re: #291 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

We were taught that officially, WP was not to be used on personnel, but could be used as an incendiary, smoke, or to mark a target for artillery.

Of course that led to the example "Infantry in the open, mark them for Arty. THEY'RE RUNNING! MARK EM AGAIN! Um, nevermind the arty."

We were also told the .50 cal was only to be used against equipment. Of course, helmets, rifles, cammies and boots all can be considered equipment.

*grin*
*grin*
*GRIN*
*CHORTLE!*

IIRC, the Charlie who Kerry jumped ashore to chase had already been wounded by a .50. If so,
(1) Kerry wasn't putting himself in much danger, and
(2) How th' F did the Charlie run around the hooch in the first place?!

315 debutaunt  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 1:28:59pm

re: #312 Wishing

Personally, I wouldn't have Norton NEAR my computer. LOL
I use free AVG and have NEVER had a problem (+4years)

I was thinking the same thing. Is it easy to remove Norton?

316 jwb7605  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 1:29:00pm

re: #302 debutaunt

OT. I use Norton to keep my computer safe. It has been giving an update failure with different errors. I attempted to follow the 'fix' steps, but it didn't help. Norton comes up for renewal in 30 days. Any lizardy suggestions?

I just put AVG on my wife's laptop to replace Norton.
try this:
a) download the AVG trial (good for 30 days)
b) uninstall Norton (requires restart)
c) install AVG trial
d) evaluate for 30 days. If you don't like AVG, post again, and you'll get a ton of decent suggestions. I refuse to even consider McAffee -- it requires ActiveX just to get the install started.

317 looking closely  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 1:29:01pm

re: #280 Ayatollah Ghilmeini

The operational tempo of the fight so far and the casualty reports are looking like Hamas' formal resistance is much weaker than expected. There is plenty of tough fighting ahead but I expected a lot more casualties in the first 24 hours of ground combat. To say this is a pleasant surprise, is to understate the case.


Well, according to Iran, Hamas has killed five Israeli Soldiers, captured two more, and has the Israeli special forces surrounded.

Israel will lose the war "imminently".

318 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 1:29:40pm

re: #274 debutaunt

If these people are actually nomadic, they should get a move on to quieter places.

They're not Bedouin. Most of the West Coast of the Middle East has been small farmers and shopkeepers for a very long time.

319 vxbush  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 1:29:41pm

re: #312 Wishing

Personally, I wouldn't have Norton NEAR my computer. LOL
I use free AVG and have NEVER had a problem (+4years)

Debutaunt, I second that recommendation. I don't have a Windows machine of my own (I'm a Mac user), but I've heard lots of good things from AVG. It's worth a try.

320 alegrias  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 1:30:16pm

re: #297 jaunte

That was an epic mental journey he made. I wonder how many others are capable of doing the same?

* * *
Wasn't that ex-Hamas boy amazing? What a brave kid, to want to become an American, Christian, and help your people escape from the jihadist Hamas "Iron Curtain".

Share this "Escape from Hamas" documentary and story somehow. Wish Charles Johnson would, if he hasn't already contacted the kid who lives next door in San Diego! That young ex-Hamas escapee is a LIZARD.

321 looking closely  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 1:30:22pm

re: #293 alegrias

* * *
True, but Hamas cannot threaten all of the Pali people all of the time.

As that former Hamas young man related on Fox News "Escape from
Hamas" last night, there IS Escape from Hamas IF you want it.

For some there is.
That individual was relatively wealthy.
I think most Palestinians are too poor to leave, and would have nowhere to go.

322 MarineMomSue  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 1:30:35pm

re: #297 jaunte

That was an epic mental journey he made. I wonder how many others are capable of doing the same?

I expect many are capable of it, they just aren't willing to try.

323 Wishing  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 1:30:55pm

re: #317 looking closely

Well, according to Iran, Hamas has killed five Israeli Soldiers, captured two more, and has the Israeli special forces surrounded.

Israel will lose the war "imminently".

What a dork...reporting from Iran.
Is it a genetic flaw that all arabs think they always win?
Baghdad Bob comes to mind...

324 debutaunt  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 1:31:10pm

re: #316 jwb7605

I just put AVG on my wife's laptop to replace Norton.
try this:
a) download the AVG trial (good for 30 days)
b) uninstall Norton (requires restart)
c) install AVG trial
d) evaluate for 30 days. If you don't like AVG, post again, and you'll get a ton of decent suggestions. I refuse to even consider McAffee -- it requires ActiveX just to get the install started.

Thank you so much!

325 [deleted]  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 1:31:10pm
326 lsuchamps03  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 1:31:16pm

I meant teeth, I guess I should use the spell check. Sorry

327 Flying Dutchman  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 1:31:25pm

re: #307 alegrias

* * *
CNN, Lovin' the Fidel Castro 24/7!
Hatin' the Infidel 24/7...

Can you guys imagine how we feel in Europe... No FOX, nothing serious except CNN or bBc or worse France24... Disinformation 24/7/365... The web and LGF saves me from getting to depressed !

328 vxbush  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 1:31:40pm

re: #323 Wishing


Is it a genetic flaw that all arabs think they always win?
Baghdad Bob comes to mind...

I thought it was standard operating procedure for Arab reporters.

329 Desert Dog  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 1:31:59pm

re: #317 looking closely

Well, according to Iran, Hamas has killed five Israeli Soldiers, captured two more, and has the Israeli special forces surrounded.

Israel will lose the war "imminently".

That FARS is quite good.....I think the learned their craft from former editors of Pravda. How will FARS explain the defeat of Hamas after such a lovely write up?

330 MandyManners  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 1:32:10pm

re: #321 looking closely

For some there is.
That individual was relatively wealthy.
I think most Palestinians are too poor to leave, and would have nowhere to go.

I'll say! His daddy is at the top of Hamas.

331 looking closely  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 1:32:22pm

re: #323 Wishing

What a dork...reporting from Iran.
Is it a genetic flaw that all arabs think they always win?
Baghdad Bob comes to mind...

Its just propaganda.
When this is over, Israel will leave then Hamas (ie whatever is left of it) will claim it won.
Watch and see.

332 Ayatollah Ghilmeini  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 1:32:48pm

re: #317 looking closely

Well you can take their word or mine........

333 looking closely  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 1:33:24pm

re: #329 Desert Dog

That FARS is quite good.....I think the learned their craft from former editors of Pravda. How will FARS explain the defeat of Hamas after such a lovely write up?

See my last post.


"Jan 15th 2009, FARS news agency

The brave martyrs of Hamas have finally driven the Zionists out of Gaza"

etc.

334 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 1:33:31pm

re: #317 looking closely

If they've got the Israeli special forces surrounded, that's very bad news for Hamas.

335 Maximu§  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 1:34:17pm

the video has suddenly been marked as “private,” and no longer shows up on the IDF channel. Maybe they withdrew it?

There could be a Hacker involved, this is a war on many levels.

336 David IV of Georgia  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 1:34:21pm

re: #334 pre-Boomer Marine brat

If they've got the Israeli special forces surrounded, that's very bad news for Hamas.

Nuts!

337 alegrias  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 1:34:23pm

re: #321 looking closely

For some there is.
That individual was relatively wealthy.
I think most Palestinians are too poor to leave, and would have nowhere to go.

* * *
Poor illiterate Mexicans find their way into the US every day.
WITHOUT UN "refugee" funding.
Without UN blue helmet observers.
Without UN powedered milk & free flour & free housing and free gas.
Without UN ambulances.

Where there's a will to leave Hamas, there's a way.

338 jwb7605  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 1:34:24pm

re: #334 pre-Boomer Marine brat

If they've got the Israeli special forces surrounded, that's very bad news for Hamas.

/Chesty Puller
(tag was missing)

339 rain of lead  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 1:34:30pm

hehe
turning my wife into a lizard by stealth
she's been curious to know what this LGF is all about
she just left after spending about 2 hrs reading threads heh
showed her nekima's troll hammer and some basic navigation tips :)
next step- register, nic, icon and post

340 Ayatollah Ghilmeini  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 1:35:09pm

re: #334 pre-Boomer Marine brat

They would have a problem!

341 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 1:35:16pm

re: #325 buzzsawmonkey

But some of them do run Bedouin breakfasts.

Would you PLEASE throttle down your Motel Sex mentality!

342 Ford_Prefect  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 1:35:38pm

I just hope that the IDF is allowed to finish this job. Leaving a few remaining Hamas leaders to recreate the problem would be a huge mistake.

343 David IV of Georgia  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 1:36:12pm

re: #334 pre-Boomer Marine brat

If they've got the Israeli special forces surrounded, that's very bad news for Hamas.

Poor SOB's.

/Patton

344 Kragar  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 1:36:30pm

re: #342 Ford_Prefect

I just hope that the IDF is allowed to finish this job. Leaving a few remaining Hamas leaders to recreate the problem would be a huge mistake.

They'll need to get to Damascus to finish the job.

345 Kosh's Shadow  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 1:36:34pm

re: #316 jwb7605

I just put AVG on my wife's laptop to replace Norton.
try this:
a) download the AVG trial (good for 30 days)
b) uninstall Norton (requires restart)
c) install AVG trial
d) evaluate for 30 days. If you don't like AVG, post again, and you'll get a ton of decent suggestions. I refuse to even consider McAffee -- it requires ActiveX just to get the install started.

I've used AVG for years. They also give a good discount for multiple computers (2.5x for 5 licenses). My new machine came with McAfee, and I'll use it until the license expires, but I'm already annoyed with it. Maybe once a month it says it needs a reboot after an update - even right after I reboot it - until I fix a Registry entry.
I've had some trouble with AVG, but they do respond to support emails (slower than I'd like, but they do). Nothing as annoying or persistent as with McAfee.

346 jwb7605  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 1:36:47pm

re: #341 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Would you PLEASE throttle down your Motel Sex mentality!

Missed that. Had to go back for the upding.

347 looking closely  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 1:36:55pm

re: #332 Ayatollah Ghilmeini

Well you can take their word or mine........


Obviously, my reference to FARS was tongue-in-cheek.

I'll take the word of Ynet or HaAretz for definitive casualty numbers. Since Israel is a small open society, and everyone knows everyone else, there is pretty much no way that there could be casualties of Israeli soldiers and they not eventually be made public.

And I do agree, so far, the casualties seem relatively low for a major ground incursion. That's good, but the job isn't over yet.

348 transient  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 1:37:09pm

Disproportionate response.

Israelis are expected to endure unlimited nonlethal rocket and mortar attacks however disruptive they may be to normal life. Israel must continue to supply aid to the Palestinians even if the Palestinians are firing on the aid convoys, because Israel occupies Gaza. Or used to. Whatever.

IF Hamas gets lucky and a Jew dies, then Israel is expected to show restraint. When 3 or so Jews are dead, Israel is allowed limited retaliation: one precision guided missile but only if it kills a terrorist. You know, someone in a uniform, with a gun. Not a commander, because they aren't in uniform and aren't usually armed, and that would be assassination. Israel isn't allowed to target terrorists, because assassination is bad.

Israel can only act if they are SURE no civilians will be killed. Given the dense civilian population of Gaza, it's better that Israel just shut up and accept the murder of her civilians rather than possibly injure Palestinian civilians. In fact, Israel has no right to defend herself, because this might possibly cause a injury to some helpless Palestinian civilian.

/ F*** "the rules."

349 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 1:37:10pm

re: #329 Desert Dog

That FARS is quite good.....I think the learned their craft from former editors of Pravda. How will FARS explain the defeat of Hamas after such a lovely write up?

You probably should have put some sort of sarc indicator on that. Some of the kiddos here don't know about Pravada.

350 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 1:37:31pm

re: #343 David IV of Georgia

Poor SOB's.

/Patton

Precisely.

351 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 1:37:34pm

I am in a dilemma. Cowboy fan, so I truly dislike the Eagles. But have sworn an oath to hate everything (Lizards excluded) that comes out of a state that would elect Al Franken. Even a state that voted close enough that Al Franken could cheat and win, is on my list.

352 opnion  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 1:37:36pm

re: #294 transient

Wonder when he plans to give the speech. Doing it on the heels of the Israeli operation would probably not go over well, unless he flat out condemns Israel. I expect a lot of "cycle of violence" BS.


He is going to have to be very careful whtever he says.
I think that he wanted to go to the capital of a Muslim country, because he figured that he would be adored. With his silence on Gaza, not so much

353 Steffan  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 1:38:00pm

OT: JammieWearingFool made the big time: a link and a quote in the NY Post.

Even better, it's the post about the racist lefties in SF. Heh.

354 goddessoftheclassroom  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 1:38:09pm

re: #349 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Another
MWAH!

355 Digital Display  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 1:38:13pm

re: #339 rain of lead

hehe
turning my wife into a lizard by stealth
she's been curious to know what this LGF is all about
she just left after spending about 2 hrs reading threads heh
showed her nekima's troll hammer and some basic navigation tips :)
next step- register, nic, icon and post

Nic?
Drizzle of Stainless Steel

356 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 1:39:15pm

re: #355 HoosierHoops

Was trying to come up with one too. Howabout, "Wife of the flaming thumbtack"

357 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 1:39:28pm

re: #346 jwb7605

Missed that. Had to go back for the upding.

Heh. I can't believe I'm audacious enough to take on the Master.

358 Cdat88  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 1:39:33pm

re: #291 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

If your side is using thermal sights a WP airburst also makes for a great smoke screen that you can see in, but IR/Daylight sights are ineffective. A good tactic in MOUT operations.

359 looking closely  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 1:39:59pm

re: #356 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Was trying to come up with one too. Howabout, "Wife of the flaming thumbtack"

"Fat Bastard Vegetarians Thin Carnivorous Spouse".

360 Killian Bundy  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 1:40:10pm

re: #317 looking closely

Well, according to Iran, Hamas has killed five Israeli Soldiers, captured two more, and has the Israeli special forces surrounded.

Israel will lose the war "imminently".

/they are nowhere near the airport!

361 Kragar  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 1:40:13pm

re: #355 HoosierHoops

Nic?
Drizzle of Stainless Steel

Scattered showers of copper

362 David IV of Georgia  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 1:40:24pm

re: #349 pre-Boomer Marine brat

You probably should have put some sort of sarc indicator on that. Some of the kiddos here don't know about Pravada.

Pravda правда "Truth" was a Soviet news agency that specialized in the absence of truth.

363 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 1:40:57pm

re: #359 looking closely

"Fat Bastard Vegetarians Thin Carnivorous Spouse".

No silly. For Rain of Lead's wife. Look at his avatar. Isn't that a thumbtack that is on fire?

364 MandyManners  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 1:41:06pm

re: #334 pre-Boomer Marine brat

If they've got the Israeli special forces surrounded, that's very bad news for Hamas.

LOL!

365 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 1:41:15pm

re: #354 goddessoftheclassroom

Another
MWAH!

LOL!
The cat's ears say it all!

366 alegrias  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 1:41:19pm

re: #348 transient

* * *
Re: disproportionate response.

Dick Cheney was quoted as saying one party is a UN Sanctioned country (Israel) and the other is a terrorist organization. ('nuff said)

(Any more dumb questions, leftist dopes?)

367 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 1:41:31pm

re: #361 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Scattered showers of copper

Yeah. "Pennies from heaven".

368 jaunte  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 1:41:32pm

re: #339 rain of lead

Nic:
leader of rain

369 jwb7605  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 1:41:47pm

re: #345 Kosh's Shadow

I've used AVG for years. They also give a good discount for multiple computers (2.5x for 5 licenses). My new machine came with McAfee, and I'll use it until the license expires, but I'm already annoyed with it. Maybe once a month it says it needs a reboot after an update - even right after I reboot it - until I fix a Registry entry.
I've had some trouble with AVG, but they do respond to support emails (slower than I'd like, but they do). Nothing as annoying or persistent as with McAfee.

I used to use AVG back in the days when it was normal to do manual updates, and AVG was free. Threat updates are too frequent IMO nowdays to do the "manual" thing.
AVG is what I'm using on my PC, and I'm hoping I can get it discounted if I submit my existing license in 30 days for the laptop. I didn't know how the laptop would behave (laptop and PC's respond differently, sometimes).
AVG has, on two occasions, told me NOT to go to a website because of a detected problem. Both occasions were not false detections (and both websites had been hacked and required cleanup).

370 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 1:42:06pm

re: #363 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

No silly. For Rain of Lead's wife. Look at his avatar. Isn't that a thumbtack that is on fire?

Thumbtacks don't melt silly.

371 Wishing  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 1:42:12pm

re: #345 Kosh's Shadow

I've used AVG for years. They also give a good discount for multiple computers (2.5x for 5 licenses). My new machine came with McAfee, and I'll use it until the license expires, but I'm already annoyed with it. Maybe once a month it says it needs a reboot after an update - even right after I reboot it - until I fix a Registry entry.
I've had some trouble with AVG, but they do respond to support emails (slower than I'd like, but they do). Nothing as annoying or persistent as with McAfee.

McAfee is like diabetes..once you have it, your stuck.
It came on my new laptop and the first thing I did when I booted was to remove it.
Avg Free has been terrific!

372 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 1:42:27pm

re: #366 alegrias

Couldn't Bush resign tomorrow? Let Cheney be President through the 20th?

373 oldscouter  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 1:42:27pm

I get quite a kick out of watching MSM "news", compared with FOX. FOX shows both sides, and is pretty accurate, but it still requires some thought on the viewers part. Hwowever, the stuff coming from the Arab media, and their surrogates (ie NothingButCrap and MoreoftheSameNothingButCrap) reminds me of the days of the Soviet Union.

Pravda and Izvestia translated to Truth and News. However, we all knew the there was no Pravda in Izvestia, and no Izvestia in Pravda.

374 Digital Display  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 1:42:45pm

re: #356 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Was trying to come up with one too. Howabout, "Wife of the flaming thumbtack"

If she really wanted to mess with him she would chose: Its_Raining_men

375 Steffan  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 1:43:08pm

re: #362 David IV of Georgia

Pravda правда "Truth" was a Soviet news agency that specialized in the absence of truth.

It wasn't even a news agency. It was the official party organ of the Communist Part of the Soviet Union. Izvestya ("News") was the news agency.

A popular saying during Soviet times was, "There's no truth in Pravda and no news in Izvestiya."

376 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 1:43:23pm

re: #370 Walter L. Newton

Who TF are you? Rosie O'Donnell?

377 alegrias  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 1:43:27pm

re: #362 David IV of Georgia

Pravda правда "Truth" was a Soviet news agency that specialized in the absence of truth.

* * *

There was no truth in Pravda
and no ___________ in Izvestia.

378 rain of lead  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 1:43:45pm

re: #355 HoosierHoops

Nic?
Drizzle of Stainless Steel

hahahaha
no, she would pick something about cats

379 [deleted]  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 1:44:01pm
380 Danderfoot  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 1:44:02pm

re: #181 Noam Sayin'

For you military smarties, what kind of ordnance does this? I've seen pics of that type of air-burst several times over the weekend. Just curious.

It's sickening to look at the photos in that slideshow, it's at least 10:1 pro-Hamas.

381 alegrias  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 1:44:11pm

re: #372 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Couldn't Bush resign tomorrow? Let Cheney be President through the 20th?

* * *
Weep weep. Gone with the Wind...

382 avanti  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 1:44:21pm

re: #306 transient

re: #298 transient

Thermobaric weapon = fuel air bomb.
You're right, PBMB.

Bomb link

Thermobaric

383 looking closely  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 1:44:27pm

re: #362 David IV of Georgia

Pravda правда "Truth" was a Soviet news agency that specialized in the absence of truth.

"Specialized"? From today's Pravda:

The Star of David has become the Swaztika.

America racist and in full economic collapse.

Russian scientists grow new tobacco that kills cancer instead of humans

And my favorite:
Female orgasm, divine inspiration and the infamous G-spot

Its like "The Weekly world news" only much cleverer.

384 Fat Jolly Penguin  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 1:44:28pm

re: #370 Walter L. Newton

Thumbtacks don't melt silly.

Not if they're made of steel.

/Rosie

385 Jetpilot1101  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 1:44:30pm

re: #379 buzzsawmonkey

The notion that Israel is engaging in "disproportionate response" because Hamas has been less successful than it hoped in murdering civilians is not dissimilar to the mindset that holds Bill Ayers to have been innocent of terrorism because the people he inspired, taught, led and directed were less competent at terrorist acts than they wanted to be.

Would that include Obama?

386 Wishing  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 1:44:34pm

re: #369 jwb7605

I used to use AVG back in the days when it was normal to do manual updates, and AVG was free. Threat updates are too frequent IMO nowdays to do the "manual" thing.
AVG is what I'm using on my PC, and I'm hoping I can get it discounted if I submit my existing license in 30 days for the laptop. I didn't know how the laptop would behave (laptop and PC's respond differently, sometimes).
AVG has, on two occasions, told me NOT to go to a website because of a detected problem. Both occasions were not false detections (and both websites had been hacked and required cleanup).

um AVG is free, you just have to LOOK for it...they hide it, kinda.

387 transient  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 1:44:36pm

re: #366 alegrias

...And the UN has been trying to repent the sanction ever since.

388 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 1:45:18pm

re: #362 David IV of Georgia

Pravda правда "Truth" was a Soviet news agency that specialized in the absence of truth.

Oh yeah. That's what I meant. I suspect that someone else, up-thread, didn't get Desert Dog's original sarc.

389 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 1:45:25pm

re: #323 Wishing

What a dork...reporting from Iran.
Is it a genetic flaw that all arabs think they always win?
Baghdad Bob comes to mind...

I think it's just a language thing--there's a way you talk about war in Arabic. Persians I don't know, I suspect they're just stirring the pot. It sounds silly in English, though, very Conan-esque. Anglos don't talk like that about war, and don't expect it from others. I think it's less strange when everyone hearing knows the cultural context.

Languages have their own styles. I know at one point when I was writing thank-you notes for a nonprofit I used to work for, my boss would sometimes say "Write it in Yiddish." She didn't mean the language itself, she meant flowery, emotional English.

Baghdad Bob, (AKA "Comical Ali") though, I have to say I loved. The man had a job to do, and by gum, he was a-gonna do it till they pried his mike from his hands. I have a DVD of his greatest hits.

390 [deleted]  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 1:45:29pm
391 TaeJohnDo  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 1:45:42pm

re: #250 jaunte

It's a pita.

That pun fell flat.

392 Noam Sayin'  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 1:45:55pm

re: #242 Wishing

Please explain?

Sorry, I went away for a bit.

The military smarties could probably explain better, but when ordnance blows up in contact with the ground, or more likely somewhat under ground, the blast is directed mostly upwards. In an air-burst, the shrapnel and shockwave are directed to a wider area. In the case of the photo I asked about, that's probably some kind of shaped-charge weapon.

But I'm no military expert.

393 rain of lead  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 1:46:06pm

re: #361 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Scattered showers of copper

shower of opals :)

394 goddessoftheclassroom  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 1:46:12pm

I would LOVE to be at a dinner party with the Cheneys and the Bushes--I'd sit back and just listen.

On the other hand,it would be excruciating to be at a similar party with the Obamas and the Bidens,

395 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 1:46:29pm

re: #381 alegrias

* * *
Weep weep. Gone with the Wind...

I just think it'd be a last solid punch in the mouth to the lefties.

396 Jetpilot1101  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 1:47:00pm

re: #390 buzzsawmonkey

You will have to amplify a little.

Less competent than Ayers.

397 Ayatollah Ghilmeini  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 1:47:06pm

re: #232 jwb7605

Did you just make that up or (please, please, let it be true) is there some substance to support that?

After the time money and expense of taking Gaza, Israel has no desire to leave and have Hamas come back, also the place HAS to be governed by someone, who better than the President of Palestine and Arafat's successor in office? With Egyptian and US help Gaza could be back to normal (for Gaza) in a few weeks. The PA has consistently shown over the last three years that it has no intention of being Hamas and since the appointment of their US educated economist PM, life in PA administered areas has gotten MUCH better for Palestinians..

After the pain of the last pullout, Israel has no intention of getting into the reoccupation game.

Since there is no one else to take up the slack it will fall to those best placed to handle it, with the strongest interest in seeing change happen in Gaza (change being Hamas kept out of business forever) and that means the PA and Egypt. I have been far more certain of this than Israel ever going in. Once Israel went in, this was going to be the inevitable endgame. The Arab League and the UN may be used to offer a fig leaf of an international force but at the core of Gaza's future is Egypt and the PA.

398 oldscouter  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 1:47:20pm

re: #394 goddessoftheclassroom

I would LOVE to be at a dinner party with the Cheneys and the Bushes--I'd sit back and just listen.

On the other hand,it would be excruciating to be at a similar party with the Obamas and the Bidens,

Dull party. Biden would not be allowed to alk.

399 transient  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 1:47:36pm

re: #382 avanti

Bomb link

Thermobaric

Yep, that's what they need.
But probably can't/won't use them because the bunkers are protected by dense civilian shielding.

400 rain of lead  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 1:48:05pm

re: #368 jaunte

Nic:
leader of rain


ow ow ow ow
that's harsh
(truth stings a bit)

401 jwb7605  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 1:48:10pm

re: #386 Wishing

um AVG is free, you just have to LOOK for it...they hide it, kinda.

Hidden well ... I know where it is, but prefer to be pampered.
For my work, the manual updates don't cut it.
For my wife, it would require a class.

402 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 1:48:12pm

re: #377 alegrias

No truth in Pravda, and no news in Isvestia, wasn't it?

403 oldscouter  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 1:48:20pm

re: #398 oldscouter

Dull party. Biden would not be allowed to alk.

Oops. Biden would not be allowed to TALK.

404 Wishing  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 1:48:25pm

re: #392 Noam Sayin'

Sorry, I went away for a bit.

The military smarties could probably explain better, but when ordnance blows up in contact with the ground, or more likely somewhat under ground, the blast is directed mostly upwards. In an air-burst, the shrapnel and shockwave are directed to a wider area. In the case of the photo I asked about, that's probably some kind of shaped-charge weapon.

But I'm no military expert.

Thanks for your answer, Noam, and you were correct: the smarties jumped in and educated me.

405 Cdat88  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 1:48:27pm

re: #358 Cdat88

If your side is using thermal sights a WP airburst also makes for a great smoke screen that you can see in, but IR/Daylight sights are ineffective. A good tactic in MOUT operations.

My two cents, from past experience.

406 transient  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 1:48:36pm

re: #391 TaeJohnDo

That pun fell flat.

At yeast he tried.

407 [deleted]  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 1:48:57pm
408 [deleted]  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 1:50:05pm
409 albusteve  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 1:50:15pm

re: #351 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I am in a dilemma. Cowboy fan, so I truly dislike the Eagles. But have sworn an oath to hate everything (Lizards excluded) that comes out of a state that would elect Al Franken. Even a state that voted close enough that Al Franken could cheat and win, is on my list.

I hate the Eagles with an infinate and unquenchable burn....if hate were a country I'd be China....I hate the Eagles with every cell in my body etc etc....

410 Wishing  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 1:50:54pm

re: #408 Iron Fist

The last time there was peace in the Middle East they called it the Pax Romana. Even then, the Romans were doing some fairly nasty things to keep the people in line. Of course, what's a crucifixion or two between friends? It's just an old tradition that the Mohammedans want to bring back.

For the children, I guess. Leftists and terrorists (but I repeat myself) are always doing whatever creative atrocity they are caught in for the sake of the children.

Actually, I think Hamas just recently approved crucifixion. Will try to find link.

411 [deleted]  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 1:51:13pm
412 TaeJohnDo  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 1:51:18pm

re: #406 transient

At yeast he tried.

But didn't quite rise to the occasion?

413 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 1:51:23pm

re: #391 TaeJohnDo

That pun fell flat.

Very true, and the others of us who tried to build upon it.
We failed to taco-ver the thread.

414 Jetpilot1101  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 1:51:30pm

re: #407 buzzsawmonkey

Absent any solid proof that Obama was directly involved with Ayers and the Weathermen back in the '80s, I would not classify Obama as a terrorist, while Ayers has done nothing to merit that label being lifted from himself.

I won't classify Obama as a terrorist either in the "Hamas" sense of the word but I will postulate that his marxist leanings taught to him by the likes of Ayers will lead to policies that will akin to economic terrorism.

415 albusteve  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 1:51:52pm

re: #379 buzzsawmonkey

The notion that Israel is engaging in "disproportionate response" because Hamas has been less successful than it hoped in murdering civilians is not dissimilar to the mindset that holds Bill Ayers to have been innocent of terrorism because the people he inspired, taught, led and directed were less competent at terrorist acts than they wanted to be.

it's all the same lump to me....

416 Wishing  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 1:51:57pm
417 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 1:51:57pm

Here we GO again!

418 solomonpanting  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 1:51:58pm

Since Israel's attack began last week, half of its citizens killed by Hamas rockets are Arabs. (Can I write for the MSM now?)

419 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 1:52:05pm

re: #408 Iron Fist

The last time there was peace in the Middle East they called it the Pax Romana. Even then, the Romans were doing some fairly nasty things to keep the people in line. Of course, what's a crucifixion or two between friends? It's just an old tradition that the Mohammedans want to bring back.

For the children, I guess. Leftists and terrorists (but I repeat myself) are always doing whatever creative atrocity they are caught in for the sake of the children.

Heck, Mike Tyson bit off Evander Holyfield's ear for the children. Has anyone considered that children, rather than money, may be the root of all evil?

420 TaeJohnDo  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 1:52:49pm

re: #413 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Very true, and the others of us who tried to build upon it.
We failed to taco-ver the thread.

Too bad, a good pun thread is better than sliced bread.

421 goddessoftheclassroom  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 1:53:31pm

re: #420 TaeJohnDo

Too bad, a good pun thread is better than sliced bread.

If anyone tries to stop these puns, I'll accuse them of trying to be the nan-ny state.

422 Dustyvet  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 1:53:54pm

re: #413 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Very true, and the others of us who tried to build upon it.
We failed to taco-ver the thread.

Burrito ain't that bad

423 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 1:54:13pm

re: #420 TaeJohnDo

Too bad, a good pun thread is better than sliced bread.

I was bread to be a punster.

424 [deleted]  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 1:54:27pm
425 Wishing  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 1:54:29pm

re: #422 Dustyvet

Burrito ain't that bad

Unless it's in your pocket.

426 oldscouter  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 1:54:46pm

I used a pun at a party once, and it was so bad they put me in a closet. My response was to "Please Oh-Pun the door"

427 albusteve  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 1:54:50pm

re: #422 Dustyvet

Burrito ain't that bad

chile out bro...

428 Digital Display  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 1:55:19pm

re: #424 Iron Fist

Children make great sandbags until they are old enough to act as a bomb delivery device. What was the old Greatful Dead song? Teach your children well?

Crosby Nash Stills and Young

429 albusteve  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 1:55:27pm

re: #424 Iron Fist

Children make great sandbags until they are old enough to act as a bomb delivery device. What was the old Greatful Dead song? Teach your children well?

CSN&Y...but I get you...

430 [deleted]  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 1:55:33pm
431 TaeJohnDo  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 1:55:59pm

re: #420 TaeJohnDo

Too bad, a good pun thread is better than sliced bread.

In fact, the only thing better is a breaded breast thread.

But only a crusty old boob would try to combine the two.

432 MandyManners  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 1:56:22pm

re: #424 Iron Fist

Children make great sandbags until they are old enough to act as a bomb delivery device. What was the old Greatful Dead song? Teach your children well?

433 Wishing  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 1:57:25pm

re: #432 MandyManners

Islam: The Code You Must Die By

434 albusteve  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 1:57:25pm

this is the Grateful Dead....

435 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 1:58:20pm

The puns have slowed down.
Guess I'll roll over and loaf for awhile.

436 Sheila Broflovski  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 1:59:07pm

Palestinians use Holocaust imagery from Warsaw ghetto in their pathetic attempt to garner support for their own murderous actions.

I don't recall the Warsaw's Jews sending rockets over at civilian targets, with the intent to kill and maim as many women and children as possible.

437 [deleted]  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 1:59:15pm
438 [deleted]  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 1:59:15pm
439 rain of lead  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 1:59:19pm

re: #363 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

No silly. For Rain of Lead's wife. Look at his avatar. Isn't that a thumbtack that is on fire?

Hey FBV, that's not a thumbtack, it's a fireball
like this

440 David IV of Georgia  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 1:59:38pm

I've had a bit of wine and soon I am about to drive to the assistant police chief's house for a party. There's a problem there somewhere—I just know it.

441 vxbush  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 1:59:41pm

Today I am struck with something slightly different: if my grandmother were alive today, she would have turned 110. She lived through WWI, WWII, Korea, Vietnam, and many other events including the recreation of Israel.

I can't help but think that she would have considered Israel's actions in Gaza as yet another reasonable reaction to yet another stupid idea in a long line of stupid moves on the part of Hamas and other terrorist organizations--to try and pick on a state as capable as Israel is on completely destroying what they set out to destroy. And yet, Hamas thinks they are in the right! How it boggles the mind. I could just see my grandmother shake her head in sadness at the stupidity of some people.

442 oldscouter  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 1:59:50pm

Grateful Dead had a great recording that is my personal anthem.

"Kid cant read at seventeen, the words he knows are all obscene."

443 solomonpanting  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 2:00:05pm

re: #435 pre-Boomer Marine brat

The puns have slowed down.
Guess I'll roll over and loaf for awhile.

If you face yeast we'll tell you when it's time to rise.

444 Kosh's Shadow  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 2:00:36pm

re: #369 jwb7605

I used to use AVG back in the days when it was normal to do manual updates, and AVG was free. Threat updates are too frequent IMO nowdays to do the "manual" thing.
AVG is what I'm using on my PC, and I'm hoping I can get it discounted if I submit my existing license in 30 days for the laptop. I didn't know how the laptop would behave (laptop and PC's respond differently, sometimes).
AVG has, on two occasions, told me NOT to go to a website because of a detected problem. Both occasions were not false detections (and both websites had been hacked and required cleanup).

AVG does automatic updates, and its default is every 4 hours! Unlike the more common every 24 hour updates of other products.

445 Dustyvet  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 2:00:57pm

re: #443 solomonpanting

If you face yeast we'll tell you when it's time to rise.

Now rye did you do that?

446 albusteve  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 2:01:09pm

re: #438 Iron Fist

Sorry everyone. I'm not a connoisseur of fine old hippie music. At least I knew that there was such a song :-)

Re Ed for you...step over here please....

447 transient  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 2:01:43pm

Problem with the pun business is there's no dough in it.

448 abolitionist  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 2:01:54pm

UT: re: #302 debutaunt

Norton AV (and McAfee) are notoriously difficult to uninstall cleanly and completely. There are some tricks to it, sort of. If you can confirm (with a reply here) that you can meet me in the Lounge, I'll be there soon after.

449 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 2:01:59pm

re: #443 solomonpanting

If you face yeast we'll tell you when it's time to rise.

Thanks! Now I can dough about flaking out in comfort.

450 opnion  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 2:02:03pm

re: #414 Jetpilot1101

I won't classify Obama as a terrorist either in the "Hamas" sense of the word but I will postulate that his marxist leanings taught to him by the likes of Ayers will lead to policies that will akin to economic terrorism.

Obama by his own admission has always liked an eclectic group off friends.
It started in college, Marxists, Anarchist etc. That does not make him a terrorist as opposed to being a racist for tolerating Rev. Wright for 20 years

451 TaeJohnDo  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 2:02:11pm

re: #435 pre-Boomer Marine brat

The puns have slowed down.
Guess I'll roll over and loaf for awhile.

It was a half-baked idea to try to get them going again anyway.

452 jaunte  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 2:02:13pm

re: #445 Dustyvet

Pumpernickel in the jukebox and let the manna sing.

453 Digital Display  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 2:02:44pm

re: #435 pre-Boomer Marine brat

The puns have slowed down.
Guess I'll roll over and loaf for awhile.

LOL
When we lived in Napa they had farmers market every friday night on 3ed and Main and there was this play that made hot fresh bread of every kind..
Ahhh the nights sitting there eating warm bread and butter..
I'm surprised I don't weight 300 lbs! LOL

454 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 2:02:55pm

re: #451 TaeJohnDo

It was a half-baked idea to try to get them going again anyway.

Don't try to pan it.

455 goddessoftheclassroom  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 2:03:15pm

re: #441 vxbush

Today I am struck with something slightly different: if my grandmother were alive today, she would have turned 110. She lived through WWI, WWII, Korea, Vietnam, and many other events including the recreation of Israel.

I can't help but think that she would have considered Israel's actions in Gaza as yet another reasonable reaction to yet another stupid idea in a long line of stupid moves on the part of Hamas and other terrorist organizations--to try and pick on a state as capable as Israel is on completely destroying what they set out to destroy. And yet, Hamas thinks they are in the right! How it boggles the mind. I could just see my grandmother shake her head in sadness at the stupidity of some people.

My mom is 70. She is one of the most moral, do-the right-thing people I've ever know. For example, she's never broken a promise she made.

Tonight we we chatting, and the subject of Israel came up. I said (without thinking), "I hoie Israel levels Gaza." Then I sort of gulped, worried a bit about her reaction to my passionate condemnation.

She said, "Oh, I know! I do, too!"

Good ol' Mom...

456 Dustyvet  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 2:04:06pm

re: #452 jaunte

Pumpernickel in the jukebox and let the manna sing.

It's the yeast I could do

457 albusteve  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 2:04:06pm

re: #453 HoosierHoops

LOL
When we lived in Napa they had farmers market every friday night on 3ed and Main and there was this play that made hot fresh bread of every kind..
Ahhh the nights sitting there eating warm bread and butter..
I'm surprised I don't weight 300 lbs! LOL

only Shaq dunks at 300lbs....

458 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 2:04:08pm

re: #452 jaunte

Pumpernickel in the jukebox and let the manna sing.

time out for a *RIMSHOT*

459 solomonpanting  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 2:04:45pm

The bread comments are coming on rather fast. Keep Russian with the rye humor.

460 Digital Display  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 2:04:53pm

re: #453 HoosierHoops

LOL
When we lived in Napa they had farmers market every friday night on 3ed3rd and Main and there was this playplace that made hot fresh bread of every kind..
Ahhh the nights sitting there eating warm bread and butter..
I'm surprised I don't weight 300 lbs! LOL

Pathetic

461 JacksonTn  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 2:04:55pm

Just wondering if yochanan has posted today ...I think his son is in IDF ...

462 TaeJohnDo  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 2:05:09pm

re: #447 transient

Problem with the pun business is there's no dough in it.

No rolling in the dough, eh? Can we at least have a flour thrown at us?

463 vxbush  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 2:06:12pm

re: #455 goddessoftheclassroom

My mom is 70. She is one of the most moral, do-the right-thing people I've ever know. For example, she's never broken a promise she made.

Tonight we we chatting, and the subject of Israel came up. I said (without thinking), "I hoie Israel levels Gaza." Then I sort of gulped, worried a bit about her reaction to my passionate condemnation.

She said, "Oh, I know! I do, too!"

Good ol' Mom...

I guess I'm lucky. I know several lizards here have moonbat relatives. Of the ones I see with any regularity, I have solidly unmoonbattish blood.

464 Dustyvet  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 2:06:15pm

re: #459 solomonpanting

The bread comments are coming on rather fast. Keep Russian with the rye humor.

Making money on bread puns would be sour dough...

465 MarineGrunt  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 2:06:54pm

re: #392 Noam Sayin'

Arty air bursts leave a plume of black smoke, used for wide coverage of troops running around above ground.

The white smoke seen on these photo are smoke screens, they can be delivered by aircraft, vehicles. arty/mortar shells or hand grenades

Some photos here here and here

466 TaeJohnDo  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 2:06:57pm

re: #464 Dustyvet

Making money on bread puns would be sour dough...

But they are my bread and butter.

467 summergurl  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 2:07:09pm

re: #353 Steffan

OT: JammieWearingFool made the big time: a link and a quote in the NY Post.

Even better, it's the post about the racist lefties in SF. Heh.


That's great - and he's right-

468 debutaunt  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 2:07:13pm

re: #394 goddessoftheclassroom

I would LOVE to be at a dinner party with the Cheneys and the Bushes--I'd sit back and just listen.

On the other hand,it would be excruciating to be at a similar party with the Obamas and the Bidens,

The stuttering and hair plugs falling out would become tedious.

469 Digital Display  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 2:07:33pm

re: #461 JacksonTn

Just wondering if yochanan has posted today ...I think his son is in IDF ...

Yes..a Beautiful post with a prayer to God..
Bless him and his family

470 goddessoftheclassroom  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 2:07:44pm

re: #463 vxbush

I guess I'm lucky. I know several lizards here have moonbat relatives. Of the ones I see with any regularity, I have solidly unmoonbattish blood.

My mom is the epitome of the antimoonbat. I inherited my news-addiction from her.

471 oldscouter  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 2:07:55pm

I have a good friend whose son was in Rabinical school in Israel when the Palestinian gunman killed eight students at a yeshiva. A very long 4 or 5 hours until we heard from him that he was safe. I hope the politicos allow the IDF to finish their mission without interference.

472 goddessoftheclassroom  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 2:08:24pm

re: #471 oldscouter

I have a good friend whose son was in Rabinical school in Israel when the Palestinian gunman killed eight students at a yeshiva. A very long 4 or 5 hours until we heard from him that he was safe. I hope the politicos allow the IDF to finish their mission without interference.

And without a second thought.

473 FinallyHere  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 2:09:01pm

Watch this:

And this

My opinion of Bloomberg improved tremendously.

474 Thor-Zone  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 2:09:38pm

re: #424 Iron Fist

Children make great sandbags until they are old enough to act as a bomb delivery device. What was the old Greatful Dead song? Teach your children well?


Actually that was Crosby, Stills, Nash & Young on the Déjà Vu record.

475 Crimsonfisted  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 2:09:40pm

re: #448 abolitionist

UT:

Norton AV (and McAfee) are notoriously difficult to uninstall cleanly and completely. There are some tricks to it, sort of. If you can confirm (with a reply here) that you can meet me in the Lounge, I'll be there soon after.

how true that is! I JUST got mcafee uninstalled over christmas break! I am going with Trend micro.

476 [deleted]  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 2:10:23pm
477 opnion  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 2:10:38pm

Here's some useless info. Oprah was supposed to be named Orpah after the sister in law of the biblical Ruth, but the birth certificate go screwed up.
So, instead of HARPO productions, HAPRO?

478 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 2:10:50pm

re: #453 HoosierHoops

LOL
When we lived in Napa they had farmers market every friday night on 3ed and Main and there was this play that made hot fresh bread of every kind..
Ahhh the nights sitting there eating warm bread and butter..
I'm surprised I don't weight 300 lbs! LOL

My squadron was home-ported at NAS Lemoore. Up in Fresno was a combination bar/Greek restaurant. Circa '65/66, it had a 25 year-or-such anniversary celebration. Spent the evening drinking wine, eating Greek horsedeverses (howeverthhell ya' spell it), listening to the band and watching the dancing. (It was my introduction to the bouzoukee. Have about 30 Greek CDs today.) That evening, I was like a well-fed puppy getting his tummy rubbed!

479 vxbush  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 2:11:00pm

re: #467 summergurl

That's great - and he's right-

Has anyone mentioned that JWF made the list of Weblog Award finalists?

480 David IV of Georgia  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 2:11:26pm

re: #476 Iron Fist

Have a camera man nearby.

481 solomonpanting  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 2:11:43pm

Of course, bread that fails to rise to the occasion is either matzo or French.

482 Crimsonfisted  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 2:12:05pm

re: #477 opnion

Here's some useless info. Oprah was supposed to be named Orpah after the sister in law of the biblical Ruth, but the birth certificate go screwed up.
So, instead of HARPO productions, HAPRO?

Either way, ugly name. I cannot stand that woman.

483 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 2:12:18pm

re: #461 JacksonTn

Just wondering if yochanan has posted today ...I think his son is in IDF ...

I don't recall having seen him.
*prayers*

484 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 2:12:49pm

re: #440 David IV of Georgia

I've had a bit of wine and soon I am about to drive to the assistant police chief's house for a party. There's a problem there somewhere—I just know it.

Define, "a bit".

485 [deleted]  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 2:13:18pm
486 TaeJohnDo  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 2:13:22pm

Well, the bread puns have bun good, but they made me hungry so I have to go to roll on to dinner.

Bread and olive oil dip
Breaded chicken and stuffing
hot cross buns
bread pudding

Sounds great!

487 Digital Display  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 2:13:52pm

re: #476 Iron Fist

Oh, I'd shake Obama's hand. Then I'd remark to him that that was the first time my hand had been in shit all day. If I got lucky, he'd take a swing at me. Wouldn't that be fun?

you think he'd go all Bobby Knight on you?
BTW I thought of you today..If the name of the Mission into Gaza was called iron fist instead of Lead cast or whatever..All cell phones in Gaza would be shut off tonight..Iron fist sounds really scary for a mission name

488 avanti  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 2:13:52pm

News Flash
State board to declare Franken the winner tomorrow.

489 Cdat88  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 2:14:09pm

re: #465 MarineGrunt

MarineGrunt, that has been mentioned. No one seems to be interested anymore.

490 Crimsonfisted  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 2:14:15pm

re: #488 avanti

News Flash
State board to declare Franken the winner tomorrow.

Retch. That just stinks on ice.

491 Bloodnok  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 2:14:39pm

re: #488 avanti

News Flash
State board to declare Franken the winner tomorrow.

News Flush

492 opnion  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 2:14:40pm

re: #482 Crimsonfisted

Either way, ugly name. I cannot stand that woman.

She now admits to weighing 200 pounds! Not that there's anything wrong with that. Wow!

493 vxbush  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 2:14:52pm

re: #488 avanti

News Flash
State board to declare Franken the winner tomorrow.

And yet another election has been stolen.

Oh, wait, this time the Dems won't complain. Sigh.

494 swamprat  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 2:14:54pm

Paper today was weird. AP story with a sympathetic headline about the Gaza incursion, and a sympathetic article about Bush. I don't care. I'm not going to forget the past so easily.

495 gop_patriot  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 2:14:58pm

re: #470 goddessoftheclassroom

My mom is the epitome of the antimoonbat. I inherited my news-addiction from her.

I'm very blessed, my parents and my in-laws are all like your mom.

496 [deleted]  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 2:15:35pm
497 oldscouter  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 2:15:58pm

re: #488 avanti

News Flash
State board to declare Franken the winner tomorrow.

My grandfather was in the navy for 10 years. I will use his favorite quote.

"That just frosts my s--t".

498 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 2:16:01pm

re: #488 avanti

News Flash
State board to declare Franken the winner tomorrow.

We are not amused.

499 vxbush  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 2:16:08pm

re: #495 gop_patriot

I'm very blessed, my parents and my in-laws are all like your mom.

I have no clue where I got mine. Seriously.

500 goddessoftheclassroom  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 2:16:08pm

re: #478 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Sort of like this?

501 Crimsonfisted  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 2:16:17pm

re: #492 opnion

She now admits to weighing 200 pounds! Not that there's anything wrong with that. Wow!

Who is she blaming for that? Sarah Palin? It couldn't possibly be HER fault now can it?
:)

502 David IV of Georgia  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 2:17:33pm

When my dad and mom were just married, they lived beside a German boarding house. The old German widow that ran the place always cooked her own bread. Since my mom was pregnant, she would always bring over a loaf or two still steaming hot. She was a good cook and inventive, so there was no telling what she had done to the bread. Once the loaf had an entire fish in it. In any case, my dad still gets a wistful, sentimental smile on his face when he tells of that bread.

503 Digital Display  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 2:17:35pm

re: #478 pre-Boomer Marine brat

My squadron was home-ported at NAS Lemoore. Up in Fresno was a combination bar/Greek restaurant. Circa '65/66, it had a 25 year-or-such anniversary celebration. Spent the evening drinking wine, eating Greek horsedeverses (howeverthhell ya' spell it), listening to the band and watching the dancing. (It was my introduction to the bouzoukee. Have about 30 Greek CDs today.) That evening, I was like a well-fed puppy getting his tummy rubbed!

I was born outside of Fresno in Firebaugh.. Nothing better than Greek food

504 [deleted]  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 2:18:18pm
505 opnion  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 2:18:28pm

re: #501 Crimsonfisted

Who is she blaming for that? Sarah Palin? It couldn't possibly be HER fault now can it?
:)

No she was eating for two, giving birth to the Obama candidacy.
Oprah is actually responsible for this mess.

506 Sheila Broflovski  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 2:18:34pm

re: #492 opnion

She now admits to weighing 200 pounds! Not that there's anything wrong with that. Wow!

Then she really weighs 250.

507 Wishing  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 2:18:39pm

re: #473 FinallyHere

Watch this:


And this


My opinion of Bloomberg improved tremendously.

Excellent comments by Bloomberg..and my opinion of him also went up.

508 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 2:19:06pm

re: #500 goddessoftheclassroom

Sort of like this?

YEP!

509 avanti  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 2:20:01pm

re: #491 Bloodnok

News Flush

As a moderate, I have to admit, I'm not over the moon about it either. Not a expert on state politics, but what the hell were the voters thinking or was the GOP guy that weak a candidate ?

510 Crimsonfisted  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 2:20:23pm

re: #502 David IV of Georgia

When my dad and mom were just married, they lived beside a German boarding house. The old German widow that ran the place always cooked her own bread. Since my mom was pregnant, she would always bring over a loaf or two still steaming hot. She was a good cook and inventive, so there was no telling what she had done to the bread. Once the loaf had an entire fish in it. In any case, my dad still gets a wistful, sentimental smile on his face when he tells of that bread.

That is weird. My grandmother baked a ton of bread and sold it for extra money. My mom still talks about ONE particular loaf she had baked and she could never recreate. My grandmother passed on in the 60's.

511 Wishing  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 2:20:39pm

re: #482 Crimsonfisted

Either way, ugly name. I cannot stand that woman.

Interestingly, Orpah refused to return to Israel. Ruth, her sister, refused to go anywhere BUT Israel, accompanying her mother-in-law, Naomi.
Bodes badly for Oprah, imo.

512 David IV of Georgia  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 2:21:04pm

re: #484 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Define, "a bit".

re: #485 Iron Fist

Oh, yeah. I'd let him hit me once. then I'd see if he wanted to settle out of court, or if I should ought to get the Law involved.

Probably still legal to drive, but enough to create awkward questions.

Maybe you could get one of those corporation board seats from one of his friends.

513 vxbush  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 2:21:04pm

re: #509 avanti

As a moderate, I have to admit, I'm not over the moon about it either. Not a expert on state politics, but what the hell were the voters thinking or was the GOP guy that weak a candidate ?

According to Hot Air, he is going to file a lawsuit in court to ask that the vote be reconsidered--either certain votes be disallowed, or other such problems. But it will take months and months to clean up. And in the end, we still may end up with Franken as the senator.

514 opnion  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 2:21:18pm

re: #506 Alouette

Then she really weighs 250.

Ample bootay!

515 mean Gene  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 2:21:54pm

Rocket laucher teams are not bound by names or titles like ''Hamas'' or ''Hizb'allah.''
Islam has NO controlling central authority whatsoever.
Therefore no Muslim-controlled area can control or effectively police their own populace when it comes to attempts to kill members of either the ''great satan,'' (the USA) or the ''small satan,'' (Israel).
Individual Muslims will act in line with what they understand from their religion.
IF a charismatic imam at a mosque calls for killing and backs it up with koranic verses someone will eventually respond by acting it out.
This cannot be stopped.
We (people who rely on reason instead of blind obedience to Allah) are doomed to lose both demographically and by sheer willpower.
We love living, they LOVE dying for Islam.

516 goddessoftheclassroom  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 2:22:04pm

re: #510 Crimsonfisted

That is weird. My grandmother baked a ton of bread and sold it for extra money. My mom still talks about ONE particular loaf she had baked and she could never recreate. My grandmother passed on in the 60's.

I made Kolachke for the first time this year, from my great-grandma's recipe. I was rather proud of myself. THEN my mom tells me that my recipe is the "easy" version, not the "real" version from her childhood (Bohemian immigrants). Grrrrrrrr.

517 gop_patriot  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 2:22:29pm

re: #499 vxbush

I have no clue where I got mine. Seriously.

Recessive conservative gene(ius)?

518 Dustyvet  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 2:22:30pm
519 Crimsonfisted  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 2:22:33pm

re: #511 Wishing

Interestingly, Orpah refused to return to Israel. Ruth, her sister, refused to go anywhere BUT Israel, accompanying her mother-in-law, Naomi.
Bodes badly for Oprah, imo.

Yes it does bode badly.

520 Wishing  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 2:23:01pm

re: #516 goddessoftheclassroom

I made Kolachke for the first time this year, from my great-grandma's recipe. I was rather proud of myself. THEN my mom tells me that my recipe is the "easy" version, not the "real" version from her childhood (Bohemian immigrants). Grrrrrrrr.

Do you have the recipe?

521 vxbush  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 2:23:05pm

re: #516 goddessoftheclassroom

I made Kolachke for the first time this year, from my great-grandma's recipe. I was rather proud of myself. THEN my mom tells me that my recipe is the "easy" version, not the "real" version from her childhood (Bohemian immigrants). Grrrrrrrr.

Heh. I'm just thrilled I found a gluten-free bread recipe that sounds like it really tastes like and acts like bread. I've got the necessary ingredients on my grocery list this week!

522 Bloodnok  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 2:23:11pm

re: #509 avanti

As a moderate, I have to admit, I'm not over the moon about it either. Not a expert on state politics, but what the hell were the voters thinking or was the GOP guy that weak a candidate ?

I go with "what the hell were the voters thinking". I know we had some Minn. lizards who did their best.

523 David IV of Georgia  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 2:23:21pm

re: #504 Iron Fist

That absolutely fucking sucks. Franken is going to steal the election and the Republicans don't have the balls to stop him. Hell, from the way they act, the Republicans don't have the balls of a run of the mill Girlscout troop.

We are so well and truly fucked.

At least I have friends and people like me.

524 Sheila Broflovski  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 2:23:34pm

re: #511 Wishing

Interestingly, Orpah refused to return to Israel. Ruth, her sister, refused to go anywhere BUT Israel, accompanying her mother-in-law, Naomi.
Bodes badly for Oprah, imo.

Ruth became the ancestor of David, but Orpah became the ancestor of Goliath.

525 vxbush  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 2:24:06pm

re: #517 gop_patriot

Recessive conservative gene(ius)?

You are too kind! More likely obsessive compulsive gene (to make sure I know what's really going on). It's like being on the gossip channel, only better because it means I know more than others around me. :D

526 Crimsonfisted  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 2:24:17pm

re: #523 David IV of Georgia

At least I have friends and people like me.


Count yourself lucky. I have a family of moonbats! Yikes!

527 Spar Kling  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 2:25:04pm

re: #22 Bubbaman

No apologies necessary. The media and street thugs are operating in force. The truth is a wonderful antiseptic.

I would encourage everyone to send the soldiers care packages. Here are a couple of resources:

Dash Cham

IDF Pizza

Indeed it is. And many thanks for posting the links. I just sent the brave men and women of the IDF some pizzas and a note of encouragement. What a great idea!

-sk

528 Crimsonfisted  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 2:25:23pm

re: #524 Alouette

Ruth became the ancestor of David, but Orpah became the ancestor of Goliath.

WOW. I am glad I know that now. Thanks!

529 rain of lead  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 2:25:25pm

all this food talk is making me hungry
is there any wood about the lizard cookbook?
is it ready? where do you go to get it?

530 looking closely  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 2:25:35pm

re: #473 FinallyHere

Watch this:


[Video]My opinion of Bloomberg improved tremendously.


He's still a leftist RINO.

I give him credit for being on the right side of this one, but there are more Jews in NYC than in Jerusalem. Even if he were anti-Israel he'd be savvy enough to keep his mouth shut about it.

531 swamprat  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 2:25:40pm

re: #488 avanti

News Flash
State board to declare Franken the winner tomorrow.

I hope that he is found unable to serve due to voter fraud. On the other hand, if it was found that votes were, in fact, hidden from the counting because they were from pro-Franken areas, I hope whoever is responsible is punished.
But something is definitely fishy here.

532 Luigi  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 2:25:48pm

Old news...

Arafat's Billions

(CBS) Yasser Arafat diverted nearly $1 billion in public funds to insure his political survival, but a lot more is unaccounted for.

`Arafat squandered $5-billion aid'

533 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 2:26:19pm

re: #503 HoosierHoops

I was born outside of Fresno in Firebaugh.. Nothing better than Greek food

Just from my time in that part of the valley (in the early-mid 60's), there were a surprising number of immigrant communities there. Once, the squadron was on its way down-valley from Alameda to Lemoore. The bus convoy stopped at a general store, somewhere out in the farmland. Lo and behold, there were two carloads of (East) Indians leaving with their groceries. There was also an Armenian/Persian restaurant in Fresno -- "The Iran", I think.

534 swamprat  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 2:26:47pm

re: #512 David IV of Georgia

Senator Fist, to you.

535 David IV of Georgia  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 2:27:04pm

re: #526 Crimsonfisted

Count yourself lucky. I have a family of moonbats! Yikes!

That was a Stuart Smiley/Al Franken "quote". I always detested his humor, btw —didn't make sense and wasn't funny.

536 Digital Display  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 2:27:13pm

re: #529 rain of lead

all this food talk is making me hungry
is there any wood about the lizard cookbook?
is it ready? where do you go to get it?

Almost ready...

537 Kosh's Shadow  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 2:29:05pm

re: #504 Iron Fist

That absolutely fucking sucks. Franken is going to steal the election and the Republicans don't have the balls to stop him. Hell, from the way they act, the Republicans don't have the balls of a run of the mill Girlscout troop.

We are so well and truly fucked.

That's how they ran the Presidential election, too.
Bend over and take out your wallet.

538 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 2:29:37pm

re: #524 Alouette

Ruth became the ancestor of David, but Orpah became the ancestor of Goliath.

Once I had it worked out that Methuselah died in the flood. Then I couldn't recreate it. Then, just looked up Methuselah. Wiki says,

"A close reading of the dates in the Old Testament reveals that Methuselah is said to have died in the year of the Great Flood..."

Feeling fairly smart right now and at the same time...kind of dumb for wasting your time with my machinations.

539 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 2:29:54pm

re: #521 vxbush

Wherever did I get the idea that you were a gluten for punishment?!?!?!
... :0

/... :D

540 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 2:30:02pm

re: #529 rain of lead

I've got wood.

541 ArmyWife  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 2:30:50pm

re: #531 swamprat

I, stupidly, just went to DU to see what they were saying. They are celebrating, and one has this icon with Rush Limbaugh's head exploding - in gory, graphic detail. Has anyone seen the lysol?

542 UberInfidel67  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 2:31:05pm

re: #316 jwb7605Or....you could go with Avira Anti-Vir. Totally free....been using it for over 5 years now. Never any problems. You can set it up to update automatically too.

I tried Norton once, a number of years ago. It came to the step where it said "Now we will pretend to "crash" your computer and then restore it!". Well, it did the "crash" but couldn't restore. Boy was I pissed! lol

543 ArmyWife  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 2:31:28pm

re: #540 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Somethings you keep to yourself. ;)

544 Crimsonfisted  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 2:31:29pm

re: #535 David IV of Georgia

That was a Stuart Smiley/Al Franken "quote". I always detested his humor, btw —didn't make sense and wasn't funny.

ah, I missed the "...and gosh darnit..." part! That would have been the real clue for me!

And he is not funny. He is violent. I recall an ad he did where he beat up someone who wouldn't buy his book. And THAT was what he called "humor".

545 swamprat  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 2:31:45pm

"lonely" cowboys
oldtimey pictures
good harmony
I keep singing this...except for the second verse/

546 Elcid  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 2:33:25pm

Ron Paul...on Gaza and other assorted horse shit...

547 [deleted]  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 2:33:27pm
548 [deleted]  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 2:35:17pm
549 LGoPs  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 2:35:26pm

A thought about detecting trolls and moby's. I have a finely tuned bullshit meter that goes off at the first hint of an imposter. One of the things they seem to have in common is that they wil almost always start with some disclaimer trying to establish camaraderie or kinship with their intended audience, e.g., ''I'm a Republican but.....''. My antenna goes up immediately upon hearing that. I think if you're a real Republican or conservative you don't need to give your bona fides, so to speak - you just speak.
Once they start off on their supposed 'position' I usually detect a strong hint of caricature. This is necessary because of course, a libtard doesn't think or process information the way we do and consequently all he can do is mimic or ape it and it more often comes across as caricature rather than a reasoned position.......
Just some random thoughts......

550 rain of lead  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 2:36:31pm

re powerline.
the honeymoon is over before it began
all I can say is bwahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

551 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 2:36:33pm

re: #542 UberInfidel67

I tried Norton once, a number of years ago. It came to the step where it said "Now we will pretend to "crash" your computer and then restore it!". Well, it did the "crash" but couldn't restore. Boy was I pissed! lol

(pre-disclosure, I'm a Symantec-basher, not a Microsoft-basher)

I've been using Norton AntiVirus and Norton Utilities since '91. Haven't had significant problems to speak of from THOSE programs. The problems come in all the other things Symantec puts out. Except for LiveUpdate (which screws up occasionally), I do NOT use those others.

/anyone who suggests that I use GoBack had best be prepared to die

552 Nevergiveup  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 2:37:01pm

re: #549 LGoPs

I'm a Yankee fan but.....

553 vxbush  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 2:37:24pm

re: #539 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Wherever did I get the idea that you were a gluten for punishment?!?!?!
... :0

/... :D

Oh, man.....if you lived within swinging distance of my fist....

/

554 David IV of Georgia  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 2:37:28pm

re: #547 Iron Fist

Yeah, and I for one am pissed about it. I won't even say what I think should be done. How did we come to this?

The Republicans have failed the country on almost every level.

After Bush out-socialist-ed the Democrats, it is hard to get too enthusiastic about the GOP. He was still better than Gore or Kerry.

555 Digital Display  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 2:37:50pm

re: #533 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Just from my time in that part of the valley (in the early-mid 60's), there were a surprising number of immigrant communities there. Once, the squadron was on its way down-valley from Alameda to Lemoore. The bus convoy stopped at a general store, somewhere out in the farmland. Lo and behold, there were two carloads of (East) Indians leaving with their groceries. There was also an Armenian/Persian restaurant in Fresno -- "The Iran", I think.


Went TDY to Alameda to do some work on reactor #2 on the USS Enterprise.
When you are used to working on Subs and you get sent to an Aircraft Carrier I swear its like being a kid on Christmas Morning..Eyes wide open.

556 rain of lead  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 2:38:14pm

re: #540 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

D'OH...."stupid fingers"

557 opnion  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 2:38:20pm

re: #547 Iron Fist

Yeah, and I for one am pissed about it. I won't even say what I think should be done. How did we come to this?

The Republicans have failed the country on almost every level.


I herd harry Reid talking this morning about having a deal with McCain, I think about the stimulus package.
McCain? How can McCain deliver any Republican votes?
John McCain to me proved that he cared more about his status with hes 'Dear Democrat Friends" in the Senate rather than running a tough campaign.

558 Nevergiveup  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 2:38:21pm

re: #554 David IV of Georgia

After Bush out-socialist-ed the Democrats, it is hard to get too enthusiastic about the GOP. He was still better than Gore or Kerry.

With all his faults, we are gonna sorely miss him.

559 transient  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 2:38:54pm

re: #532 Luigi

Old news...

Arafat's Billions


`Arafat squandered $5-billion aid'

I know. I STILL get emails from Suha asking me to help her find the money. She's promised to pay money directly into my bank account if I will give her the account information. I feel so bad for her. So bad. I just haven't gotten around to it yet.
/

560 lifeofthemind  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 2:38:56pm

re: #473 FinallyHere

Watch this:


[Video]

My opinion of Bloomberg improved tremendously.

Good response by Bloomberg to an interviewer who was asking to be exposed to a much harsher level of reality than her smug comfortable life is delivering. Bloomberg is frustrating on so many levels in his tolerance of politics as usual and disdain for personal liberties and business as well as his penchant for European style rule by regulation and decree. The sad thing is that with that said he is still far saner than most of the alternatives.

The video of the Philistine terrorists piling into the UN ambulance like Keystone Kops is priceless. If that were run on network new heads and careers would explode.

561 albusteve  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 2:39:02pm

re: #547 Iron Fist

Yeah, and I for one am pissed about it. I won't even say what I think should be done. How did we come to this?

The Republicans have failed the country on almost every level.

what'cha gonna do with the booze and the blush?
what'cha gonna do when there aint no rush?
cop a little misery at the corner store?
someday that train of pain won't stop no more

John Hiatt

562 David IV of Georgia  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 2:39:46pm

re: #558 Nevergiveup

With all his faults, we are gonna sorely miss him.

At least we knew he always shoots a little low and to the left and could compensate.

563 Wishing  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 2:39:57pm

re: #546 Elcid

Ron Paul...on Gaza and other assorted horse shit...


Wait...Paul says Israel is involved in a PREEMPTIVE war? What an idiot! Cant he READ for petes sake? These antisemites so tick me off.
*We have just antagonized the Muslim world* What a complete idiot!
*They have a few small missiles* *Israel has nuclear weapons*
I wish all these antisemites would drag their sorry asses to Iran and SETTLE THERE!

564 transient  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 2:40:03pm

re: #539 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Wherever did I get the idea that you were a gluten for punishment?!?!?!

Enough already! You lot are just a bunch of fruitcakes!

565 Fat Jolly Penguin  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 2:40:15pm
566 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 2:40:40pm

re: #553 vxbush

Oh, man.....if you lived within swinging distance of my fist....

/

*grin*
/running like hell, just in case

567 Wishing  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 2:41:13pm

Ron Paul needs to go shit in his hat and pull it over his ears!

568 vxbush  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 2:41:50pm

re: #560 lifeofthemind

. The sad thing is that with that said he is still far saner than most of the alternatives.

And yet....in all those cities where Democrats are running things and they are asking the government for bailout money, who do you suppose will win the majority of future elections? Most Americans have lost the ability to connect "cause" with "effect," thanks to the lousy reporting of the media, the inability of teachers to teach, and the way in which most parents don't take their jobs seriously.

569 rain of lead  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 2:41:51pm

re: #550 rain of lead

re powerline.
the honeymoon is over before it began
all I can say is bwahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha


what are the LLL gonna do now that their guy is the one getting all the rage and abuse?

570 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 2:41:55pm

re: #564 transient

Enough already! You lot are just a bunch of fruitcakes!

*grin*
I'm done. Just a drive-by pun.
I've got a long phone call to make in a few minutes.

571 Kosh's Shadow  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 2:42:14pm

re: #551 pre-Boomer Marine brat

(pre-disclosure, I'm a Symantec-basher, not a Microsoft-basher)

I've been using Norton AntiVirus and Norton Utilities since '91. Haven't had significant problems to speak of from THOSE programs. The problems come in all the other things Symantec puts out. Except for LiveUpdate (which screws up occasionally), I do NOT use those others.

/anyone who suggests that I use GoBack had best be prepared to die

I had an old Gateway that ran Win98 SE (when that was new) that came with GoBack. It made it appear the hard drive failed. At that time, Gateway actually had good support, and he talked me through removing that piece of crap; the machine worked fine after that for several years.

572 David IV of Georgia  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 2:42:23pm

re: #563 Wishing

Wait...Paul says Israel is involved in a PREEMPTIVE war? What an idiot! Cant he READ for petes sake? These antisemites so tick me off.
*We have just antagonized the Muslim world* What a complete idiot!
*They have a few small missiles* *Israel has nuclear weapons*
I wish all these antisemites would drag their sorry asses to Iran and SETTLE THERE!

You give him too much credit calling him an anti-semite. First you need to explain to him that Semite is not a building material.

573 lifeofthemind  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 2:43:14pm

re: #564 transient

Enough already! You lot are just a bunch of fruitcakes!

America's test kitchen just said that the secret of a perfect pie crust is add a 1/4 cup of vodka and a 1/4 cup of water, rolls without forming gluten clumps. Who knew?

574 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 2:43:27pm

re: #555 HoosierHoops

Went TDY to Alameda to do some work on reactor #2 on the USS Enterprise.
When you are used to working on Subs and you get sent to an Aircraft Carrier I swear its like being a kid on Christmas Morning..Eyes wide open.

I can imagine.
/what's the word for fear of wide-open spaces? Agrophobia?

575 vxbush  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 2:44:06pm

re: #566 pre-Boomer Marine brat

*grin*
/running like hell, just in case

Actually, my daughter sent me a recipe for making chocolate cake in a coffee mug in the microwave. If I were up to it, I'd go try it (it included a gluten-free version, too!).

But first, I need some energy, and I currently have none. So you're safe.

576 LGoPs  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 2:44:27pm

re: #488 avanti

News Flash
State board to declare Franken the winner tomorrow.

Unfuckingbelievable. The people of Minnesota need to start screaming from the rooftops.....either that or bow their heads in shame.
In some strange way this bothers me more than the Obama 'hoodwink'.
It smacks of outright theft.
The problerm is these bastards convinced themselves that Bush stole 2000 - even though he certifiably did not - and so feel justified to do anything it takes to really steal elections from this point on.......
It's a fucking mental disorder that pretty much allows them to do whatever the fuck they want......and feel really good about it. Goddamn it!

577 Joo-LiZ  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 2:44:36pm

re: #574 pre-Boomer Marine brat

I can imagine.
/what's the word for fear of wide-open spaces? Agrophobia?

Close! It's Agoraphobia

578 David IV of Georgia  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 2:44:50pm

re: #574 pre-Boomer Marine brat

I can imagine.
/what's the word for fear of wide-open spaces? Agrophobia?

Agorophobia—fear of the marketplace

579 Nevergiveup  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 2:44:56pm

Medvedev to PM: Russia concerned about humanitarian situation in Gaza

[Link: www.jpost.com...]

Yup compassion has always been high on Russia's list, like in Chechnya and Georgia?

580 lifeofthemind  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 2:45:20pm

re: #568 vxbush

And yet....in all those cities where Democrats are running things and they are asking the government for bailout money, who do you suppose will win the majority of future elections? Most Americans have lost the ability to connect "cause" with "effect," thanks to the lousy reporting of the media, the inability of teachers to teach, and the way in which most parents don't take their jobs seriously.

Yes. One good thing about Israel's action is that it provides a teachable moment on my favorite motto "Actions Have Consequences" aka as do not poke the bear.

581 albusteve  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 2:45:32pm

re: #572 David IV of Georgia

You give him too much credit calling him an anti-semite. First you need to explain to him that Semite is not a building material.

Ron Paul an anti-Semetic?...links?

582 vxbush  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 2:45:36pm

re: #573 lifeofthemind

America's test kitchen just said that the secret of a perfect pie crust is add a 1/4 cup of vodka and a 1/4 cup of water, rolls without forming gluten clumps. Who knew?

I like that show. If I had the money, I'd get the magazine, because I love how they test for the best recipe. But I only get the hankerin' to cook about once every six months, so it's kind of a waste.

583 opnion  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 2:45:55pm

re: #568 vxbush

And yet....in all those cities where Democrats are running things and they are asking the government for bailout money, who do you suppose will win the majority of future elections? Most Americans have lost the ability to connect "cause" with "effect," thanks to the lousy reporting of the media, the inability of teachers to teach, and the way in which most parents don't take their jobs seriously.

Is it just me or does anyone else tie this economic meltdown to NAFTA & massive illegal immigration?

584 David IV of Georgia  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 2:45:57pm

re: #577 Joo-LiZ

PIMF. Yours is right.

585 [deleted]  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 2:46:20pm
586 David IV of Georgia  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 2:46:33pm

Later, all.

587 ArmyWife  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 2:46:42pm

re: #573 lifeofthemind

I think Julia Childs had this down pat - a little for the recipe, a little for the cook...

588 Nevergiveup  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 2:46:47pm

re: #580 lifeofthemind

Yes. One good thing about Israel's action is that it provides a teachable moment on my favorite motto "Actions Have Consequences" aka as do not poke the bear.

Reagan was pretty successful poking the bear?

589 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 2:47:36pm

re: #577 Joo-LiZ
re: #578 David IV of Georgia

Thanks!

590 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 2:48:03pm

re: #586 David IV of Georgia

Later, all.

Drive safely

591 ArmyWife  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 2:48:24pm

re: #585 Iron Fist

The answer is us. Look at the talent on this site alone. I believe that a grassroots effort would take hold - someone just needs to be willing (ballsy?) enough to seriously take it on.

592 jwb7605  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 2:49:18pm

re: #583 opnion

Is it just me or does anyone else tie this economic meltdown to NAFTA & massive illegal immigration?

Not me. I'm wondering where you get the connection?

593 vxbush  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 2:49:54pm

re: #583 opnion

Is it just me or does anyone else tie this economic meltdown to NAFTA & massive illegal immigration?

Not me. I put the ball squarely in the Democrat court with the Community Reinvestment Act as a start, and then ACORN's pushing the banks to give out loans to folks who wouldn't be able to pay them back. Several commentators have shown this to be the main cause. The government made it worse by not having any oversight over Freddy Mac and Fannie Mae. And the ball just got bigger and bigger...

594 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 2:50:03pm

Go to go. Might not be back until tomorrow.
Everyone have a great evening.

595 David IV of Georgia  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 2:50:23pm

re: #590 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Drive safely

I wouldn't drive if I thought otherwise. Sometimes I exaggerate for a joke.

596 lifeofthemind  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 2:50:39pm

re: #582 vxbush

I like that show. If I had the money, I'd get the magazine, because I love how they test for the best recipe. But I only get the hankerin' to cook about once every six months, so it's kind of a waste.

Shows like This Old House etc are just a form of pr0n but I'm guilty.
Which was the one with the hot girl with a tool belt doing home repairs on PBS?

597 So?  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 2:50:45pm

Speaking of comments, I just came across this article:

[Link: www.reuters.com...]

This is how it opens:

GAZA (Reuters) - Israeli troops and tanks split the Gaza Strip and ringed its main city on Sunday in an offensive against Hamas that has killed more than 500 Palestinians, many of them civilians.

Is it just me, or does the first sentence of this article make it sound as if Israel killed 500 Palestinian civilians on Sunday alone?

598 lifeofthemind  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 2:50:56pm

re: #587 ArmyWife

I think Julia Childs had this down pat - a little for the recipe, a little for the cook...

She earned it in the OSS.

599 vxbush  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 2:51:24pm

re: #596 lifeofthemind

Shows like This Old House etc are just a form of pr0n but I'm guilty.
Which was the one with the hot girl with a tool belt doing home repairs on PBS?

Hometime, I think. They always switched out the hot-looking girl once the previous one got to a certain point.

600 jwb7605  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 2:51:57pm

re: #591 ArmyWife

The answer is us. Look at the talent on this site alone. I believe that a grassroots effort would take hold - someone just needs to be willing (ballsy?) enough to seriously take it on.

3rd party.
I don't know how, where, or when, but I see no other way out.
... if we ever get "out".

601 notutopia  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 2:52:07pm

Jeb Bush, The next Republican President of the US?

George H.W. Bush,
The following is a partial transcript of the Jan. 4, 2009,
"FOX NEWS SUNDAY" HOST CHRIS WALLACE: Well, this promises to be quite a week for former President Bush. On Wednesday, his son holds a lunch at the White House for all three ex-presidents to welcome Barack Obama into their exclusive club.
Then, next weekend he'll attend the commissioning of an aircraft carrier bearing his name.
The other day, we traveled to Mr. Bush's office in Houston to discuss those events, his family's future and President-elect Obama.

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

602 vxbush  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 2:52:07pm

re: #598 lifeofthemind

She earned it in the OSS.

Which still blows my mind, to an extent. But cool.

603 rain of lead  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 2:52:21pm

oh no this is too good.
the bus is back
Team Obama "Richardson lied to us"

604 vxbush  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 2:53:03pm

re: #603 rain of lead

oh no this is too good.
the bus is back
Team Obama "Richardson lied to us"

Excuse me while I have a fine plate of just desserts.

605 lifeofthemind  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 2:53:31pm

re: #588 Nevergiveup

Reagan was pretty successful poking the bear?

That was "The Bear" as opposed to duh bahr, I'm all for aiding Georgia and The Ukraine and making it clear that a Russian fleet in the Med is a potential vertical asset.

606 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 2:53:39pm

re: #595 David IV of Georgia

I wouldn't drive if I thought otherwise. Sometimes I exaggerate for a joke.

Good to hear.
And I haven't ANY idea of WHAT you might mean by EXAGGERATION!
*rolls eyes*

later!

607 Luigi  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 2:54:41pm

Bush, Cheney and now Bloomberg have come out in support of Israel. The Bush administration has blocked the UN from any censure of Israel. Even the EU calls it a defensive measure.

Has anyone from the Democratic party done so?

Perhaps I missed it.

608 vxbush  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 2:54:51pm

re: #603 rain of lead

oh no this is too good.
the bus is back
Team Obama "Richardson lied to us"

By the way, this just points out, yet again, how bad the soon-to-be Obama Administration is at vetting its own people. And those skills are useful in so many other areas; it does not bode well.

609 Digital Display  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 2:55:03pm

re: #574 pre-Boomer Marine brat

I can imagine.
/what's the word for fear of wide-open spaces? Agrophobia?

I'll never forget..We were doing a job on the 683 and my buddy Billy had to craw into the backspaces of the fan room and do a little job..After he crawed for about 20 minutes and I'm his hole watch reading a book when the Fire alarm goes off.. I go Billy there is a fire and he says oh crap I'm in a bad spot..
For the next 10 minutes you could hear nothing but curse words and panic as he tries to get back ASAP.
Finally he crawls out and lays on the floor His back covered in blood from the scratches when the all clear went out..
The look on billy's face was priceless..Especially when i asked him if the job was done...

610 LGoPs  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 2:55:11pm

re: #591 ArmyWife

The answer is us. Look at the talent on this site alone. I believe that a grassroots effort would take hold - someone just needs to be willing (ballsy?) enough to seriously take it on.

You are right. We need to start each one if us individually, in whatever small way we can to fight back. One of the things we can do is challenge lies and bullshit everywhere we see it. There's an old Army saying, ''Silence is consent'' and when we listen to lies without challenge they become the truth.
I'm a nobody with no voice. I can only influence the small circle of people I interact with. But our political leaders do have a voice and they need to establish some discipline and insist that they speak with one voice when confronting lies from the left. They must speak with one voice because the media will do its utmost to drown them out. The media will find the one dissenting or discordant voice and only play that.
That's step one.....

611 swamprat  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 2:55:11pm

re: #603 rain of lead

oh no this is too good.
the bus is back
Team Obama "Richardson lied to us"

Obviously, he was not properly "vetted"!

612 vxbush  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 2:55:35pm

re: #607 Luigi

Bush, Cheney and now Bloomberg have come out in support of Israel. The Bush administration has blocked the UN from any censure of Israel. Even the EU calls it a defensive measure.

Has anyone from the Democratic party done so?

Perhaps I missed it.

Perhaps the silence is indicative? Otherwise, they probably would have shouted to the rooftops.

613 Fat Jolly Penguin  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 2:56:05pm

re: #581 albusteve

Ron Paul an anti-Semetic?...links?

Start here. More here.

614 Shug  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 2:56:43pm

re: #608 vxbush

By the way, this just points out, yet again, how bad the soon-to-be Obama Administration is at vetting its own people. And those skills are useful in so many other areas; it does not bode well.

I think his first 6 months will be similar to Clinton's first six months.

remember the problem Clinton had finding an Atty general.

Of course the GOP had a spine back then so who knows. Maybe Obama will have an easier time getting unqualified people appointed than Clinton did

615 Joo-LiZ  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 2:57:22pm

According to Muqata

10:57 PM Jewish doctor in France shot and beaten outside of Paris.


Can anyone confirm?

616 jwb7605  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 2:58:03pm

re: #613 Fat Jolly Penguin

Start here. More here.

I really miss the days when many of us ended posts with
/Ron Paul

617 Shug  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 2:58:46pm

re: #616 jwb7605

I really miss the days when many of us ended posts with
/Ron Paul


all roads lead to rome

and all polls lead to Ron

618 Fat Jolly Penguin  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 2:58:52pm

re: #616 jwb7605

I really miss the days when many of us ended posts with
/Ron Paul

I don't think I was even here then. I'm sure we'll find some opportunity to do it again.

619 vxbush  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 2:59:03pm

re: #614 Shug

I think his first 6 months will be similar to Clinton's first six months.

remember the problem Clinton had finding an Atty general.

Of course the GOP had a spine back then so who knows. Maybe Obama will have an easier time getting unqualified people appointed than Clinton did

The Republicans don't seem to have an attack dog like Gingrich. For all his faults, he was willing to take all the barbs from the Media and the Democrats and he didn't care. Do we have someone like that now? That's who we need to look over all the upcoming appointments.

620 So?  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 2:59:05pm

Sorry I missed that YT video, but remember a few days ago somebody posted a pdf with info featuring graphs and charts on the number of rockets & mortars that have been fired into Israel since 2001. I thought it was well done, so I sent an email to the IDF Youtube site and suggested they turn it into a video and feature it along with the CastLead videos to give context to why Israel is fighting back. I guess they liked my suggestion. But know its gone. Maybe it'll be back. I hope so. Did it feature any info & charts from that pdf. I agree with lawhawk, Isreal must continue its aggressive PR campaign, it's the one thing that has always been lacking, which is why public opinion of dimwits like the HuffPo post exist.

621 opnion  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 2:59:19pm

re: #592 jwb7605

Not me. I'm wondering where you get the connection?


NAFTA opened the flood gates for cheap goods & domestic mfgrs. could not compete with the cheap foreign labor & import without restriction.
Illegal immigration created a whole new entitlement class that utilized public services, schools, hospitals at no charge and prison services, being paid less than minimum off of the books. HUD admits to 5 million failed sub prime mortgages being given to illegals, so it is probably more.
In summation we ruined our manufacturing base & then displaced American workers with foreign illegals.
That's how I see it.

622 Elcid  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 2:59:54pm

re: #548 Iron Fist

Hey, brother! Hope your holidays went well. It's hard to believe that it is 2009. If nothing else, the next year will be challenging.


That's for damn sure, my friend. Holidays went well, hope you and yours had wonderful holiday times, as well.

623 yochanan  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 3:00:09pm

re: #469 HoosierHoops

Yes..a Beautiful post with a prayer to God..
Bless him and his family

i thank both of you for your concern.
all prayers are welcome.

624 albusteve  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 3:00:10pm

re: #613 Fat Jolly Penguin

Start here. More here.

just stirring the pot...Paul refuted the content of his news letters and it was never proven otherwise

625 Luigi  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 3:00:18pm

Obama votes 'Present' on the Gaza war..

Politics, diplomacy behind Obama's Gaza silence


WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Even as Israelis and Palestinians plunged deeper into conflict, U.S. President-elect Barack Obama remained silent, refusing to budge from his one-president-at-a-time mantra.

Reuters is just too too kind to their man.

626 rain of lead  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 3:00:23pm

This, on the other hand is GOOD news.

627 Crimsonfisted  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 3:01:04pm

re: #573 lifeofthemind

America's test kitchen just said that the secret of a perfect pie crust is add a 1/4 cup of vodka and a 1/4 cup of water, rolls without forming gluten clumps. Who knew?

How are you getting Test Kitchen? It wasn't on for us here this weekend! I am bummed.

So I am watching the Gluttony Deadly Sin on History.

628 lifeofthemind  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 3:01:09pm

Vital and vulnerable strategic choke points to watch.

1) The coastal entrance to Abkhazia, the only lifeline for Russia's army in the Winter.
2) Iran's gasoline storage and distribution system
3) For the US the route from Karachi to Jalabad
4) Will Muslim piracy revive around the Malacca Straits? Last earthquake may be good news or not.

629 albusteve  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 3:01:11pm

re: #618 Fat Jolly Penguin

I don't think I was even here then. I'm sure we'll find some opportunity to do it again.

I think he's retiring but one of his sons wants his dads seat...hmmm

630 vxbush  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 3:01:34pm

re: #626 rain of lead

This, on the other hand is GOOD news.

Yes, but the photo used for the title "War in the South" reminds me a lot of our favorite fauxtography from years ago. Heh.

631 Bloodnok  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 3:02:00pm

re: #623 yochanan

i thank both of you for your concern.
all prayers are welcome.

Count me in on that. Bless your son.

632 So?  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 3:02:05pm

re: #625 Luigi

Obama votes 'Present' on the Gaza war..

Politics, diplomacy behind Obama's Gaza silence

Reuters is just too too kind to their man.

Hey, in this instance, silence really is golden.

633 albusteve  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 3:02:52pm

re: #621 opnion

NAFTA opened the flood gates for cheap goods & domestic mfgrs. could not compete with the cheap foreign labor & import without restriction.
Illegal immigration created a whole new entitlement class that utilized public services, schools, hospitals at no charge and prison services, being paid less than minimum off of the books. HUD admits to 5 million failed sub prime mortgages being given to illegals, so it is probably more.
In summation we ruined our manufacturing base & then displaced American workers with foreign illegals.
That's how I see it.

NAFTA will kill America....look what it's doing to Texas already

634 jwb7605  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 3:03:15pm

re: #618 Fat Jolly Penguin

I don't think I was even here then. I'm sure we'll find some opportunity to do it again.

This last election cycle primary season -- the grassroots effort for Ron Paul got so bad that Ron Paul was beating anybody by a mile, and it got to the point where any poll taken ("Should we have National Health Care: Yes, No, Ron Paul) was a standing joke.

Which is why I'm a bit leery of grassroot efforts. It's easy to fake massive support and make it look "real".

635 Luigi  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 3:03:19pm

I think Israel was smart to make their move before Bush leaves the premises.

636 So?  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 3:03:24pm

re: #626 rain of lead

This, on the other hand is GOOD news.

I WISH THIS WOULD HAPPEN IN EVERY LARGE AMERICAN AND CANADIAN CITY

637 summergurl  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 3:03:29pm

re: #625 Luigi

Obama votes 'Present' on the Gaza war..

Politics, diplomacy behind Obama's Gaza silence


Reuters is just too too kind to their man.


If he agreed with this Administration he would have said that he stands with Bush - his silence is deafening.

638 Salamantis  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 3:03:53pm

The Operation Cast Lead: Background Briefing video may be viewed here:

[Link: www.viddler.com...]

639 lifeofthemind  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 3:04:06pm

re: #627 Crimsonfisted

How are you getting Test Kitchen? It wasn't on for us here this weekend! I am bummed.

So I am watching the Gluttony Deadly Sin on History.

Local NY PBS either it was WNET or WLIW

640 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 3:04:08pm

re: #623 yochanan

i thank both of you for your concern.
all prayers are welcome.

And I salute him too!

641 jwb7605  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 3:04:32pm

re: #624 albusteve

just stirring the pot...Paul refuted the content of his news letters and it was never proven otherwise

Obama refuted the remarks made by Rev. Wright, said he'd never heard them, and it was never proven otherwise.

Just sayin' ...

642 albusteve  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 3:04:48pm

re: #634 jwb7605

This last election cycle primary season -- the grassroots effort for Ron Paul got so bad that Ron Paul was beating anybody by a mile, and it got to the point where any poll taken ("Should we have National Health Care: Yes, No, Ron Paul) was a standing joke.

Which is why I'm a bit leery of grassroot efforts. It's easy to fake massive support and make it look "real".

he attracted every whacko libertarian, racist, homophobe and Bircher out there

643 Shug  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 3:05:09pm

re: #625 Luigi

Obama votes 'Present' on the Gaza war..

Politics, diplomacy behind Obama's Gaza silence


Reuters is just too too kind to their man.


It's just kind of funny that every other day he has a press conference from " The office of the president elect"....for the easy stuff.

I think he's realized that being president is 1 million times harder than it looks.

644 opnion  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 3:05:20pm

re: #633 albusteve

NAFTA will kill America....look what it's doing to Texas already

Yup, Ross Perot tried to fight it , but the press smeared him & made him look crazy.
How do you compete with wages & benefits under $4.00 per hour?

645 lifeofthemind  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 3:05:42pm

re: #623 yochanan

i thank both of you for your concern.
all prayers are welcome.

When he is home safe please type up his comments for us.

646 jorline  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 3:06:03pm
647 vxbush  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 3:06:31pm

re: #637 summergurl

If he agreed with this Administration he would have said that he stands with Bush - his silence is deafening.

I don't know. Think of all the variety of possible positions he could take:

1. Support Bush's stance on the issue.
2. Come out with a statement identical to Bush, but don't say it's Bush's.
3. Come out in support of restraint, with no recognition of who started what.
4. Support the Palestinians and complain endlessly of "the need for moderation" or "excessive force".

For Obama, saying nothing is safest, because that means everyone will believe that he supports their position.

648 albusteve  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 3:06:49pm

re: #641 jwb7605

Obama refuted the remarks made by Rev. Wright, said he'd never heard them, and it was never proven otherwise.

Just sayin' ...

man o man...nobody knows nothin...."has anybody seen Joey?"

649 Digital Display  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 3:07:01pm

re: #623 yochanan

i thank both of you for your concern.
all prayers are welcome.

Oh my friend..I know the feeling..When Our son was in Fallujah last year i was a complete mess..The phone would ring in the middle of the night with Him calling and the whole house was wide awake waiting their turn to talk..Then nobody could sleep afterwards..
God Bless your Son and keep him safe

650 opnion  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 3:07:04pm

re: #623 yochanan

i thank both of you for your concern.
all prayers are welcome.

You fathered a hero!

651 lifeofthemind  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 3:07:08pm

re: #624 albusteve

just stirring the pot...Paul refuted the content of his news letters and it was never proven otherwise

Stirring the pot seems to be your singular mode of operation around here.

652 Lincolntf  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 3:07:11pm

Mary Jane in Mass.

I don't think I've ever seen a debate/discussion about the 'legalization" of pot in my brief time here on LGF. But, looking at my old hometown paper, it seems like the Dems in MA (91% of elected offices, 70% of reg. voters) have got themselves in a pickle with their recent referendum.

653 JacksonTn  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 3:08:10pm

re: #625 Luigi

Obama votes 'Present' on the Gaza war..

Politics, diplomacy behind Obama's Gaza silence

Reuters is just too too kind to their man.

I would give him the benefit of his silence on this issue since Bush is still in office ...if he had shut his mouth during the two year campaign ...he could not open his mouth without criticizing every move Bush made ...so I just want to know why he is silent about this now ...since he never shut his mouth before ...

I don't think he knows WTF he is doing ...he probably goes into his room at night and gets into a fetal position ...and chain smokes ...I doubt he ever thought in his wildest dreams when he entered the race that he would win ...he is nothing special ...and I don't care how many times the media or anyone else says he is ...I only care now that he gets good help from others on how to keep us safe ...it will not take long to find out how he really feels about Israel and he better do the right thing ...

654 summergurl  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 3:08:36pm

re: #643 Shug

It's just kind of funny that every other day he has a press conference from " The office of the president elect"....for the easy stuff.

I think he's realized that being president is 1 million times harder than it looks.

Gives a new meaning to the term " an empty suit".
No substance -

All the old adages apply to BO - you are the company you keep, birds of a feather flock together, yada yada yada

655 Luigi  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 3:08:52pm

re: #647 vxbush

I don't know. Think of all the variety of possible positions he could take:

1. Support Bush's stance on the issue.
2. Come out with a statement identical to Bush, but don't say it's Bush's.
3. Come out in support of restraint, with no recognition of who started what.
4. Support the Palestinians and complain endlessly of "the need for moderation" or "excessive force".

For Obama, saying nothing is safest, because that means everyone will believe that he supports their position.

Yeah, but I don't recall anybody from the Democratic Party supporting Israel in the current action.

656 Shug  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 3:09:08pm

re: #653 JacksonTn

I don't think he knows WTF he is doing ......

me too

657 Nevergiveup  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 3:09:11pm

re: #646 jorline

Mayor Bloomberg in Israel.

Kudos Mayor!

He never even set foot in Israel until Rudy dragged him there when he was first running for Mayor and he is spending one freak en day there. Sorry if his theatrics don't impress me.

658 Elcid  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 3:09:17pm

re: #563 Wishing

Good old Rue Ron Paul.

659 vxbush  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 3:10:03pm

re: #655 Luigi

Yeah, but I don't recall anybody from the Democratic Party supporting Israel in the current action.

But at least they haven't come out and openly supported Hamas. That is at least slighly, only slightly, promising.

660 yochanan  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 3:10:18pm

re: #645 lifeofthemind

he is currently doing guard duty on the west bank. say some thillium psalms please it coundn't hurt
his unit has suffered KIA in the past (this i did not tell his mom)

661 albusteve  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 3:10:43pm

re: #644 opnion

Yup, Ross Perot tried to fight it , but the press smeared him & made him look crazy.
How do you compete with wages & benefits under $4.00 per hour?

conservative Texans are furious....billions is swapping hands on land deals alone for the Highway......eminent domain....the road builders, and power companies, and concession people....maintainence...fookin billions and billions...hello GWB?...where y'at?

662 Nevergiveup  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 3:11:06pm

re: #655 Luigi

Yeah, but I don't recall anybody from the Democratic Party supporting Israel in the current action.

I suppose since congressman Gary Ackerman is with Bloomberg in Israel he is?

663 vxbush  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 3:11:10pm

re: #660 yochanan

he is currently doing guard duty on the west bank. say some thillium psalms please it coundn't hurt
his unit has suffered KIA in the past (this i did not tell his mom)

Bless you and your family. All I have to worry about right now is a daughter with no job and no income. She doesn't have anyone shooting at her.

{ { {yochanan and family} } }

664 yochanan  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 3:11:29pm

re: #649 HoosierHoops

we are all in the same war just different fronts, I grew up as a army brat. i remember seeing my father go off to what might be war.

665 jwb7605  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 3:11:39pm

re: #659 vxbush

But at least they haven't come out and openly supported Hamas. That is at least slighly, only slightly, promising.

I consider Cynthia McKinney a member of the Democratic party.
In my opinion, she openly supported Hamas.

666 Crimsonfisted  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 3:11:44pm

re: #660 yochanan

All our prayers are with you.

667 vxbush  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 3:11:55pm

re: #661 albusteve

conservative Texans are furious....billions is swapping hands on land deals alone for the Highway......eminent domain....the road builders, and power companies, and concession people....maintainence...fookin billions and billions...hello GWB?...where y'at?

How long until Arkansas gets in the game? I've not heard about anything there.

668 albusteve  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 3:11:55pm

re: #651 lifeofthemind

Stirring the pot seems to be your singular mode of operation around here.

you have me pegged for somebody I'm not....care to explain?....is stirring the pot a bad thing?

669 vxbush  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 3:12:43pm

re: #665 jwb7605

I consider Cynthia McKinney a member of the Democratic party.
In my opinion, she openly supported Hamas.

True, but I consider her to be in the Party of Moonbat. It's a subsidiary or offshoot of Democrat.

670 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 3:13:00pm

re: #661 albusteve

conservative Texans are furious....billions is swapping hands on land deals alone for the Highway......eminent domain....the road builders, and power companies, and concession people....maintainence...fookin billions and billions...hello GWB?...where y'at?

Working with the plutocracy to make this happen. Next question?

671 opnion  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 3:13:21pm

re: #661 albusteve

conservative Texans are furious....billions is swapping hands on land deals alone for the Highway......eminent domain....the road builders, and power companies, and concession people....maintainence...fookin billions and billions...hello GWB?...where y'at?

I thought that NAFTA was a fiasco from the jump. The promoters in both parties said to objectors, "You just don't get it.'
People wated to get it, but they had it right the first time, Bad deal

672 Shug  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 3:13:27pm

re: #666 Crimsonfisted

All our prayers are with you.

post 666
discussing prayers


weird

673 WhiteRasta  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 3:13:28pm

re: #657 Nevergiveup

I sure hope no one was... gasp..... SMOKING in His Worship's bomb shelter.

674 jorline  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 3:13:30pm

re: #623 Buchanan

i thank both of you for your concern.
all prayers are welcome.

God's blessing to your son and all of his IDF brethren, yoch.

675 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 3:13:52pm

re: #653 JacksonTn

While I have been supportive of Obama's silence on many issues as the President-Elect. I wish that the candidates had tried to show us as one voice during the campaign. I think the recent Presidential Election hurt America.

676 summergurl  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 3:14:01pm

re: #665 jwb7605

I consider Cynthia McKinney a member of the Democratic party.
In my opinion, she openly supported Hamas.

Even the Dems don't want her -

Every family has a crazy relative -- so I give them a pass on her...

677 albusteve  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 3:14:02pm

re: #667 vxbush

How long until Arkansas gets in the game? I've not heard about anything there.

google the route of the Highway...we're all in it bigtime...this thing is huge and nobody seems to care

678 ArmyWife  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 3:14:05pm

re: #633 albusteve

Unions are killing manufacturing and will continue to do so. Until we discover that a communist organization does not mesh with a capitalist society, manufacturing will be doomed.

679 albusteve  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 3:14:43pm

re: #670 Walter L. Newton

Working with the plutocracy to make this happen. Next question?

yup...youre a friggin moonbat too huh?

680 Elcid  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 3:14:55pm

yochanan

The very best to you, your son and entire family.

681 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 3:15:09pm

re: #679 albusteve

yup...youre a friggin moonbat too huh?

WHAT?

682 Nevergiveup  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 3:15:11pm

00:51 Palestinians: IDF broke into broadcasts on Hamas TV channel (AP)

Presented for your enjoyment with out editorial comment

683 yochanan  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 3:15:18pm

re: #674 jorline

you should change the name from buchanan to YOCHANAN i know it is just a typo but a funny one. made me smile

684 vxbush  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 3:15:36pm

Heh. I think I'm just going to sit back and watch this time.

685 opnion  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 3:15:45pm

Later Lizards. God speed to our troops in Iraq & Afghanistan & the IDF troops in Gaza,

686 albusteve  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 3:18:04pm

re: #678 ArmyWife

Unions are killing manufacturing and will continue to do so. Until we discover that a communist organization does not mesh with a capitalist society, manufacturing will be doomed.

we can barely make our own toilet paper here in America....look at the energy business, or the steel business, or the car business, or the textile business...see a pattern?....who's your buddy?....hint...it aint the GoP

687 Crimsonfisted  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 3:18:05pm

Good night all!

688 gop_patriot  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 3:18:46pm

re: #660 yochanan

he is currently doing guard duty on the west bank. say some thillium psalms please it coundn't hurt
his unit has suffered KIA in the past (this i did not tell his mom)

Praying for your son, his unit, and your family.

689 JacksonTn  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 3:19:06pm

re: #675 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

While I have been supportive of Obama's silence on many issues as the President-Elect. I wish that the candidates had tried to show us as one voice during the campaign. I think the recent Presidential Election hurt America.

No frikkin doubt about it ...I feel like the actions of the democrats gave a green light to the most left nutjobs of the party to feel like they will be allowed to do anything they want now ...and they are doing it ...and the white guilt crap sucked many republicans in ...I hope we do not have to go through some major disaster in this country to bring us closer together ...and I am not so sure even that would bring it about ...but for the sake of the country I pray somehow it gets better than it is now ...

690 albusteve  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 3:19:13pm

re: #681 Walter L. Newton

WHAT?

I was called a moonbat the other night when I stated that GWB is in the pocket of Mexico and the Saudis etc....a nut too!...I dont care

692 So?  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 3:20:00pm

re: #657 Nevergiveup

He never even set foot in Israel until Rudy dragged him there when he was first running for Mayor and he is spending one freak en day there. Sorry if his theatrics don't impress me.

It would be nice if the media showed pictures of Bloomberg and Israeli doctors treating palestinian women and children, instead of the usual crap they serve up.

693 swamprat  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 3:20:02pm

"neighbor hood bully"
song starts at 1;30
there are pictures and comentary to be seen
worth viewing/"bully" fighting AIDS and helping Africa

694 summergurl  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 3:20:27pm

You know, when Richardson grew that goatee beard thingy, I knew he was getting too big for his britches.

695 smokefire  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 3:21:23pm

[Link: pizzaidf.org...]

Donate to IDF


Thank You.

696 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 3:21:30pm

re: #690 albusteve

I was called a moonbat the other night when I stated that GWB is in the pocket of Mexico and the Saudis etc....a nut too!...I dont care

Yea, but it sounded like you was calling me a moonbat, for real, not kidding. I had no idea that you were referencing a snide remark made to you.

Stop that. I almost had a heart attack. And I'm 56, and dammit, you don't want to be responsible for me dying, do you?

And if you do kill me, I'm making you responsible to finish a script I'm working on.

Got it, Vinnie :)

697 notutopia  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 3:21:30pm

re: #626 rain of lead

This, on the other hand is GOOD news.

Wow. It is REALLY good news and so comforting to see that there are other supporters out rallying FOR Israel.
Especially from Paris. Now, will we see this from the UK?
Thanks for the post.

698 jwb7605  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 3:23:08pm

re: #690 albusteve

I was called a moonbat the other night when I stated that GWB is in the pocket of Mexico and the Saudis etc....a nut too!...I dont care

Why would that make you a moonbat?
"in the pocket of" is a bit strong, but it's not that far off.

699 Racer X  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 3:23:12pm

re: #686 albusteve

we can barely make our own toilet paper here in America....look at the energy business, or the steel business, or the car business, or the textile business...see a pattern?....who's your buddy?....hint...it aint the GoP

The dems are our buddy?

700 rain of lead  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 3:23:46pm

Re Strategy Page.
things that make you go hmmm.
Two armies for the price of one

701 Sheila Broflovski  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 3:24:03pm

re: #682 Nevergiveup

00:51 Palestinians: IDF broke into broadcasts on Hamas TV channel (AP)

Presented for your enjoyment with out editorial comment

A link would be nice.

702 jwb7605  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 3:24:11pm

re: #699 Racer X

The dems are our buddy?

Ron Paul
/pay attention, dammit ...

703 vxbush  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 3:24:16pm

Okay, gotta go. Later, friends.

704 albusteve  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 3:24:27pm

re: #696 Walter L. Newton

Yea, but it sounded like you was calling me a moonbat, for real, not kidding. I had no idea that you were referencing a snide remark made to you.

Stop that. I almost had a heart attack. And I'm 56, and dammit, you don't want to be responsible for me dying, do you?

And if you do kill me, I'm making you responsible to finish a script I'm working on.

Got it, Vinnie :)

heh...it snowed in ABQ this morning you dog...

705 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 3:24:38pm

ON TOPIC.

I have been looking over the "photos" coming out of the Gaza. It's amazing. A large amount of the photo's are picture of men and women (mainly men) carrying bloodied children.

Yet the person holding the child is clean as a whistle. I mean, it's like the make up department came in and worked on all the children extras.

Call me a cynic. No, call me someone who works on stage, has worked in disaster films, someone who can spot a staged photo.

706 Salamantis  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 3:25:06pm

re: #678 ArmyWife

Unions are killing manufacturing and will continue to do so. Until we discover that a communist organization does not mesh with a capitalist society, manufacturing will be doomed.

The US auto manufacturers are paying for health care for many times as many retired workers as for active ones. They simply cannot pay anywhere near union wages and all these health care benefit expenses and put out a quality vehicle at a competitive price. This is true not only of the auto industry in general, but also of the rest of US manufacturing and corporate employment, especially unionized employment, in general.

This fact presents the only arguably silver lining in the dark and looming cloud of socialized medicine. If the US government guarantees the health care of all of its citizens, US companies will be relieved of a massive health care benefits financial burden. This would provide them some financial slack by means of which they might be able to offer competitively priced high-quality products and services once again, both domestically and overseas. Of course the US taxpayer at large would be soaked with the price tag, but such a course would spread the pain around (Obama wealth-spreading in reverse).

707 albusteve  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 3:25:58pm

re: #698 jwb7605

Why would that make you a moonbat?
"in the pocket of" is a bit strong, but it's not that far off.

I asked but got no reply...it's pretty easy to call people names on the internet

708 Bob Dillon  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 3:25:59pm

re: #533 pre-Boomer Marine brat

And the Basque restaurant ... on the north east side ... yum!

709 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 3:26:19pm

re: #705 Walter L. Newton

PGI?

Pali Generated Imagery?

710 Render  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 3:27:08pm

Cynthia McKinney is a Green, the modern version of National Socialisms political wing.

MAKE
NO
MISTAKE,
R

711 So?  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 3:27:09pm

re: #697 notutopia

Wow. It is REALLY good news and so comforting to see that there are other supporters out rallying FOR Israel.
Especially from Paris. Now, will we see this from the UK?
Thanks for the post.

Better yet, will we see this from the USA?

712 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 3:27:17pm

re: #704 albusteve

heh...it snowed in ABQ this morning you dog...

Heh. I told you. We had about 2 inches over night, but the sun took care of most of it on the roads today, even though it stayed in the 20's.

Thank goodness, cause I have to go out later and I don't feel like slipping around the city streets.

713 ArmyWife  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 3:27:23pm

re: #686 albusteve

Agreed - people don't fully comprehend what and how a union affects manufacturing in the US because politicians are afraid of being "anti-union" (as if that is a bad thing).

NAFTA really hasn't been the catalyst for lost jobs as much as Unions and their talking points in the media (and congress) want it to be. It also wasn't the catalyst for a gazillion NEW jobs as we were told either.

714 Shug  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 3:27:36pm

re: #705 Walter L. Newton

ON TOPIC.

I have been looking over the "photos" coming out of the Gaza. It's amazing. A large amount of the photo's are picture of men and women (mainly men) carrying bloodied children.

Yet the person holding the child is clean as a whistle. I mean, it's like the make up department came in and worked on all the children extras.

Call me a cynic. No, call me someone who works on stage, has worked in disaster films, someone who can spot a staged photo.


You know how I spot a staged photo?
It has a caption that begins with " palestinians carry......"

715 jwb7605  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 3:27:47pm

re: #710 Render

Cynthia McKinney is a Green, the modern version of National Socialisms political wing.

MAKE
NO
MISTAKE,
R

Cynthia McKinney is not green.
/Racist

716 Digital Display  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 3:28:14pm

re: #705 Walter L. Newton

ON TOPIC.

I have been looking over the "photos" coming out of the Gaza. It's amazing. A large amount of the photo's are picture of men and women (mainly men) carrying bloodied children.

Yet the person holding the child is clean as a whistle. I mean, it's like the make up department came in and worked on all the children extras.

Call me a cynic. No, call me someone who works on stage, has worked in disaster films, someone who can spot a staged photo.

What does that say about that society? Even in the darkest hour you can't believe a fu*king thing they post?
What does that say?

717 WhiteRasta  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 3:28:22pm

re: #707 albusteve

Steve,

I disagree with you on the NAFTA thing. I'll try to dig up some links to back up my arguement.

Regards.

718 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 3:28:47pm

re: #709 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

PGI?

Pali Generated Imagery?

What ever. There's a picture on the front page of CNN right now, the guy holding the kid looks like he just stepped away from a latte at a cafe. And he's wearing a better looking shirt than I can afford.

[Link: www.cnn.com...]

719 albusteve  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 3:29:31pm

re: #699 Racer X

The dems are our buddy?

of course not...we have no friends in govt...or very few who are not heard antway...look at the flow of money leaving the US...both parties are equally responsible...this is our bood and our wealth...to not provide for our own energy consumption for example is utter suicide...China owns us now...the greatest polluters the world has ever seen and we are supposed to sign the Kyoto Accords?...

720 ArmyWife  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 3:29:45pm

re: #706 Salamantis

Your kidding, right? Do you know why Germany isn't the mecca of manufacturing?

721 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 3:29:54pm

re: #718 Walter L. Newton

What ever. There's a picture on the front page of CNN right now, the guy holding the kid looks like he just stepped away from a latte at a cafe. And he's wearing a better looking shirt than I can afford.

[Link: www.cnn.com...]

I totally call bullshit on that.

722 Digital Display  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 3:30:27pm

re: #718 Walter L. Newton

What ever. There's a picture on the front page of CNN right now, the guy holding the kid looks like he just stepped away from a latte at a cafe. And he's wearing a better looking shirt than I can afford.

[Link: www.cnn.com...]

Sad picture...

723 Shug  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 3:30:34pm

re: #718 Walter L. Newton

What ever. There's a picture on the front page of CNN right now, the guy holding the kid looks like he just stepped away from a latte at a cafe. And he's wearing a better looking shirt than I can afford.

[Link: www.cnn.com...]


that baby is badly burned. I don't think you can deny that.

but I'm pretty sure that baby was paraded around and around the block for quite some time.

and I'm pretty sure that baby is all burned up because he was used as a human shield.

these people disgust me

724 So?  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 3:30:45pm

re: #695 smokefire

[Link: pizzaidf.org...]

Donate to IDF

Thank You.

Writing out a check is easy. Taking the time to march in a Pro-Israeli Rally takes time and effort. While the money may buy a good meal, the rally will go a long way to counter pro-hamas media and moonbats who have no clue about mid-east politics. Sure donate, but marching in solidarity with Israel is 1000 times more productive.

725 Racer X  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 3:30:55pm

re: #702 jwb7605

Ron Paul
/pay attention, dammit ...

Got it.

GOP = bad
DEMs = way worse
Ron Paul = GTFO

726 albusteve  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 3:31:00pm

re: #712 Walter L. Newton

Heh. I told you. We had about 2 inches over night, but the sun took care of most of it on the roads today, even though it stayed in the 20's.

Thank goodness, cause I have to go out later and I don't feel like slipping around the city streets.

wear golf shoes...problem solved!

727 ArmyWife  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 3:31:02pm

re: #721 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Oh but look how sad he is! How can you question such overt emotion?

////

728 Lynn B.  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 3:32:01pm
Jordan says will 'reevaluate' relations with Israel

Amman said to be infuriated by Gaza offensive, as Jordanian MPs demand diplomatic relations be severed. Israeli ambassador expelled

[Link: www.ynetnews.com...]

This is the "peace" for which Israel has made so many concessions and labored diplomatically for decades. Amman should have been infuriated by the Hamas offensive against a neighboring country with which it has a "peace treaty." But, no. Self-defense is a privilege forbidden to Jews.

Of course Jordan's own defensive measures against palestinian terrorists threatening its own security were fine and dandy. When the palestinian casualties in Gaza begin to approach a tiny fraction of those in Black September, Jordan will still be a long way from having the right to criticize Israel's current response.

729 Sheila Broflovski  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 3:32:05pm

re: #705 Walter L. Newton

ON TOPIC.

I have been looking over the "photos" coming out of the Gaza. It's amazing. A large amount of the photo's are picture of men and women (mainly men) carrying bloodied children.

Yet the person holding the child is clean as a whistle. I mean, it's like the make up department came in and worked on all the children extras.

Call me a cynic. No, call me someone who works on stage, has worked in disaster films, someone who can spot a staged photo.

Not enough real dead babies for Gaza, so they have to stage photo-ops with dolls covered in red paint.

730 Killgore Trout  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 3:32:07pm

Rockets launched into Israel

Of course they are about 20ft away from the nearest house. The date says 19/01/2008.

731 notutopia  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 3:32:12pm

re: #711 So?

Better yet, will we see this from the USA?

So far, NO, at least not anything of support shown by the
MSM.
Pretty sad. Makes me sad and angry anyway.

732 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 3:32:29pm

re: #727 ArmyWife

Oh but look how sad he is! How can you question such overt emotion?

////

Sure, Acting for the Non Actor 101.

733 albusteve  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 3:32:45pm

re: #717 WhiteRasta

Steve,

I disagree with you on the NAFTA thing. I'll try to dig up some links to back up my arguement.

Regards.

cool...I need more smarts!....:)

734 jwb7605  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 3:33:03pm

re: #727 ArmyWife

Oh but look how sad he is! How can you question such overt emotion?

////

I have to disagree here -- the photo is obviously not a fake.
There is no woman in white with her arms spread out.
/and that's how you tell.

735 Digital Display  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 3:33:30pm

re: #723 Shug

that baby is badly burned. I don't think you can deny that.

but I'm pretty sure that baby was paraded around and around the block for quite some time.

and I'm pretty sure that baby is all burned up because he was used as a human shield.

these people disgust me

Shug.. My son showed me pictures of a firefight in Fallujah..
The terrorist used women and children as human shields..
Totally disgusting

736 Flying Dutchman  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 3:33:38pm

The video of this post is again visible, not on YouTube but on Liveleak !

IDF Video: Background on Gaza Conflict

Thanks' to Watcher from Eye On The World

737 WhiteRasta  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 3:34:05pm

re: #733 albusteve

Dinner is ready. I'll do it another time when I see you.

I'm a passionate believer in free trade.

738 albusteve  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 3:35:19pm

re: #737 WhiteRasta

Dinner is ready. I'll do it another time when I see you.

I'm a passionate believer in free trade.

free trade is a good thing to a point....eat hardy amigo....

739 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 3:35:33pm

re: #727 ArmyWife

As Jon Lovitz would say (as Master Thespian"...

"ACTING!"

740 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 3:35:39pm

re: #734 jwb7605

I have to disagree here -- the photo is obviously not a fake.
There is no woman in white with her arms spread out.
/and that's how you tell.

And, I need to clarify myself. I wasn't suggesting that the child was not injured (although I'll leave that to the health professionals here), but my point was it really looks like that baby was probably handed to that man. He doesn't not look like someone who carried his child from one point to the hospital, his clothing (what we can see, upper torso) is in very good shape) and his general facial expression looks forced.

My opinion.

741 Digital Display  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 3:35:49pm

re: #736 Flying Dutchman

The video of this post is again visible, not on YouTube but on Liveleak !

IDF Video: Background on Gaza Conflict

Thanks' to Watcher from Eye On The World

Are you in the Netherlands?

742 Shug  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 3:35:56pm

re: #735 HoosierHoops

Shug.. My son showed me pictures of a firefight in Fallujah..
The terrorist used women and children as human shields..
Totally disgusting


the other thing that bothers me about that photo is that the child is naked/barely clothed.
Sick children can get hypothermic in a hurry. that baby ought to be at least wrapped in a blanket.

but then again, she would lose value if her best interests were taken into consideration. hard to photograph the burns that way

743 So?  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 3:36:20pm

re: #714 Shug

You know how I spot a staged photo?
It has a caption that begins with " palestinians carry......"

It's been the same story for years. I'm glad that YT site went up, that's all I can say.

744 Shug  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 3:36:53pm

re: #740 Walter L. Newton

And, I need to clarify myself. I wasn't suggesting that the child was not injured (although I'll leave that to the health professionals here), but my point was it really looks like that baby was probably handed to that man. He doesn't not look like someone who carried his child from one point to the hospital, his clothing (what we can see, upper torso) is in very good shape) and his general facial expression looks forced.

My opinion.


agree.

745 reine.de.tout  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 3:37:59pm

re: #727 ArmyWife

Oh but look how sad he is! How can you question such overt emotion?

////

Why isn't the baby crying?
Most kids I've ever seen injured and bleeding, are also crying.

746 freedomsound  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 3:39:01pm

180 zombie

Can't you just turn comments off for a while? Might be the best solution for now.

747 yochanan  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 3:39:06pm

there is another link to the vedio
[Link: www.rightsidenews.com...]

748 So?  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 3:39:10pm

re: #731 notutopia

So far, NO, at least not anything of support shown by the
MSM.
Pretty sad. Makes me sad and angry anyway.

If you wait for support from the MSM, hell will freeze over. Supporters in France organized and rallied. If they can do it, Jews in America can. That makes me even sadder!

749 MittDoesNotCompute  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 3:40:31pm

re: #81 zombie

The trolls are so creatively bankrupt...there's no originality, no pizzazz!

;-P

750 Sheila Broflovski  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 3:40:32pm

re: #734 jwb7605

I have to disagree here -- the photo is obviously not a fake.
There is no woman in white with her arms spread out.
/and that's how you tell.

Oh, here she is.

751 [deleted]  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 3:41:00pm
752 Digital Display  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 3:41:14pm

re: #742 Shug

the other thing that bothers me about that photo is that the child is naked/barely clothed.
Sick children can get hypothermic in a hurry. that baby ought to be at least wrapped in a blanket.

but then again, she would lose value if her best interests were taken into consideration. hard to photograph the burns that way

Don't think I'd put a blanket on a child with serious burns...Cold water right away is the proper course of action then to hospital care...
The sad thing is she was probably in day care in the basement of a school that held 16 tons of high explosives..Maybe Mom should have wrote a note that day.

753 JacksonTn  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 3:41:20pm

re: #745 reine.de.tout

Why isn't the baby crying?
Most kids I've ever seen injured and bleeding, are also crying.

Hey Reine

Might be shock ...bad burns could cause the baby to be in shock ...

754 nyc redneck  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 3:41:55pm

re: #587 ArmyWife

I think Julia Childs had this down pat - a little for the recipe, a little for the cook...

once she said, if all she had for supper was a bottle of gin and a big steak, she'd be happy.

755 [deleted]  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 3:41:57pm
756 Salamantis  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 3:41:57pm

re: #720 ArmyWife

Your kidding, right? Do you know why Germany isn't the mecca of manufacturing?

We certainly aren't the manufacturing mecca any more. Germany's flagship auto manufacturers, Mercedes and BMW, are doing quite well. As is the Swedish automaker Saab. As are the Japanese (who also have a universal health care plan in place).

And China, which is benefitting from a general manufacturing boom, has a mandatory health care system in place.

757 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 3:42:12pm

re: #750 Alouette

Oh, here she is.

Bob Fosse pose... jazz hand... long step...

758 [deleted]  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 3:42:41pm
759 yochanan  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 3:42:42pm

re: #747 yochanan

there is another link to the vedio
[Link: www.rightsidenews.com...]

[Link: eye-on-the-world.blogspot.com...]
here is the link to the vedio in question.

760 uncle_walter87  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 3:42:48pm

I just watched (on CNN of course), and interview with a Palestinian woman. She was asked, "Do you feel for those living in Israel under a constant rocket barrage, or the the threat of rocket barrages?"

Her reply: "I'm more concerned about my family in Gaza."

Well.........that's all fine and good, but why is Israel the only country in the world expected to lie back and take terrorist action against them?

761 Shug  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 3:42:50pm

re: #757 Walter L. Newton

Bob Fosse pose... jazz hand... long step...

Diet Dr Pepper out the nose

thanks

762 Killgore Trout  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 3:43:19pm

re: #740 Walter L. Newton

I've watched enough video of Palestinian recovery to learn that the usual procedure is to throw the survivors in the back of whatever car pulls up and the driver speeds off to the nearest hospital. The recovery guys on the scene aren't usually the drivers. Even when the pull up to the hospital there's a crown waiting to pull them out of the car and carry them in. It's very unlikely that the person carrying the patient in these pics is the same person who loaded them in the car. I've notice that most of the MSM pics coming out of Gaza are patients arriving at the hospital so all the cameras are there and ready.

763 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 3:43:29pm

I have no sympathy for people who put their children in harms way, if the children get hurt.

I feel terrible for the children, but I have no sympathy for the mother who allows bombs to be kept under her baby's crib.

764 Digital Display  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 3:44:00pm

re: #760 uncle_walter87

I just watched (on CNN of course), and interview with a Palestinian woman. She was asked, "Do you feel for those living in Israel under a constant rocket barrage, or the the threat of rocket barrages?"

Her reply: "I'm more concerned about my family in Gaza."

Well.........that's all fine and good, but why is Israel the only country in the world expected to lie back and take terrorist action against them?

At this point Uncle..what did you really expect?

765 notutopia  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 3:44:00pm

re: #748 So?

If you wait for support from the MSM, hell will freeze over. Supporters in France organized and rallied. If they can do it, Jews in America can. That makes me even sadder!

It is what I meant and did not say...what makes me mad is the lack of expressive public action by supporters here
in the USA. I must also say, though that after seeing that aggressive batch of Pali asshats in Zombie's post last evening, that I would be concerned rallying in SF, at this time. Has anyone heard/discussed how things went last night at the
Israeli consulate protest last night?

766 So?  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 3:44:01pm

re: #750 Alouette

Oh, here she is.

Doesn't she know the PEACE symbol is made using the second and third fingers, not the thumb.

767 gclaghorn  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 3:44:06pm

re: #750 Alouette

Oh, here she is.

Is that one of those punk rocker poses, like, "Rock on Gaza" ?

768 jaunte  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 3:44:21pm

re: #747 yochanan

there is another link to the vedio
[Link: www.rightsidenews.com...]

They make an important point at your link:
Conclusion:
"Given this Hamas ideology of genocide, the essential problem with Hamas is not the missiles and rockets it showers on Israel, but the core belief that killing Jews is a prerequisite to redemption. Hamas's ongoing attempts to kill Jews, which have led to the current Gaza War, are a symptom of the far deeper problem -- the ideology teaching that Allah demands the extermination of Jews.

Israel and the West must create a strategy not only to destroy the terror infrastructures of Hamas, but to ultimately ensure that Jews and the world are safe from this ideology and its consequences."

769 Luigi  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 3:44:28pm

Fake or real, the photo is part of a propaganda campaign in which most of the major world media are complicit.

Journalism is dead. Israel is now getting the same treatment that the GOP got in the last election, and from the same people. Hamas is getting the same treatment Obama got, and from the same people.

I'm not comparing Hamas and Obama, only the treatment the press gives them. According to the press, if you don't support Obama you're a racist; if you don't support Hamas you're a racist.

Obama ought to come out and make a definitive pro-Israel statement. It would help. Where's Reid? Pelosi? Any Democrat? Hello?

770 Nevergiveup  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 3:44:35pm

re: #760 uncle_walter87

I just watched (on CNN of course), and interview with a Palestinian woman. She was asked, "Do you feel for those living in Israel under a constant rocket barrage, or the the threat of rocket barrages?"

Her reply: "I'm more concerned about my family in Gaza."

Well.........that's all fine and good, but why is Israel the only country in the world expected to lie back and take terrorist action against them?

Well that's all fine and dandy, but if your concerned for your family in Gaza why don't you tell your asshole cousins to stop firing rockets into Israel from your backyard?

771 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 3:44:36pm

re: #761 Shug

Diet Dr Pepper out the nose

thanks

Er, what? I'm not sure I understand your reference?

772 MandyManners  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 3:45:18pm

re: #750 Alouette

Oh, here she is.

There's a war going on and they're out shopping?

773 Killgore Trout  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 3:45:23pm

re: #760 uncle_walter87

People thought I was joking when I said the coverage from Al Jazeera was better than CNN. I tried watching CNN again earlier and only lasted a minute or two. It's pretty unwatchable.

774 Shug  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 3:45:31pm

re: #771 Walter L. Newton

Er, what? I'm not sure I understand your reference?


dude, you made me laugh so hard I had Dr Pepper coming out of my nose

775 Luigi  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 3:45:59pm

Return of a classic...

[Link: thepeoplescube.com...]

776 [deleted]  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 3:46:16pm
777 reine.de.tout  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 3:46:19pm

re: #763 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I have no sympathy for people who put their children in harms way, if the children get hurt.

I feel terrible for the children, but I have no sympathy for the mother who allows bombs to be kept under her baby's crib.

Or for the father who receives notice that his home will be targeted, and then requires his wife (wives) and children to remain.

778 Shug  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 3:46:33pm

re: #750 Alouette

Oh, here she is.

Clay Aiken is gay ?

Nooooooooo !

779 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 3:46:37pm

re: #777 reine.de.tout

Yes. That too.

780 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 3:46:54pm

re: #769 Luigi

Fake or real, the photo is part of a propaganda campaign in which most of the major world media are complicit.

And that's really the bottom line on all of this. It's just too bad that the children have become the puppets in this play.

781 Nevergiveup  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 3:47:21pm

re: #773 Killgore Trout

People thought I was joking when I said the coverage from Al Jazeera was better than CNN. I tried watching CNN again earlier and only lasted a minute or two. It's pretty unwatchable.

Since Fox is concentrating on Christmas recipes and stuff like that, I have been watching the BBC and CNN. It's a good thing I have alot of pepcid in the house.

782 So?  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 3:47:53pm

re: #765 notutopia

It is what I meant and did not say...what makes me mad is the lack of expressive public action by supporters here
in the USA. I must also say, though that after seeing that aggressive batch of Pali asshats in Zombie's post last evening, that I would be concerned rallying in SF, at this time. Has anyone heard/discussed how things went last night at the
Israeli consulate protest last night?

Well, if large numbers of Israeli supporters showed up (like the 20,000 in France) and outnumbered the terrorist supporters, there would be no cause for concern. They only like to bully when there are a handful of Jews or Israeli supporters hanging around.

783 Flying Dutchman  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 3:47:54pm

re: #741 HoosierHoops

Are you in the Netherlands?

No, in Switzerland, I'm double national and born in the watches / banks / chocolate country

784 reine.de.tout  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 3:48:13pm

re: #780 Walter L. Newton

And that's really the bottom line on all of this. It's just too bad that the children have become the puppets in this play.

Their children haven't mysteriously "become" the puppets - the children are the puppets because the people who should be protecting them, their parents, see to it that they are the "puppets".

785 Salamantis  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 3:48:21pm

re: #750 Alouette

Oh, here she is.

Brrrainnzzz!

786 jwb7605  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 3:48:51pm

re: #775 Luigi

Return of a classic...

[Link: thepeoplescube.com...]

Wow. They sure know how to channel CNN:

Poll: The tide of public opinion has shifted in the direction of Gestapo

The Jews' bloody response to concentration camps has united their enemies and divided their friends, the results of a current poll show. Atrocities committed by the Zionist militants in Warsaw and elsewhere have appalled Western opinion. The stature of the Gestapo grows, and the uprising has succeeded in discrediting moderate Germans and silencing the Nazi leaders in Berlin who were ready to start talking instead of killing.

787 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 3:49:17pm

Oddly, I do not recall any major news source running these photos.

Every time I look at those beautiful little boys, I cry.

/But Israel is murdering children of color!

788 Nevergiveup  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 3:49:30pm

01:43 Foreign journalists vie for few spots to get into Gaza (Haaretz)

And when they get run over by a Caterpillar who are they gonna blame?

789 parkylarky  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 3:49:42pm

re: #657 Nevergiveup

Mayor Bloomberg is someone who has donated millions to Israel for hospitals and health care. I don't think its fair to label his support as mere "theatrics."

An American billionaire putting himself in harm's way to show his support, to the extent that he had to take cover from rockets in Sderot(!), I believe that he is sincere.

790 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 3:50:09pm

re: #774 Shug

dude, you made me laugh so hard I had Dr Pepper coming out of my nose

Oh, gotcha. I thought you were "adding" to my statement. "Jazz hands" has become almost a joke in the theatre iundustry, any wide arm pose, fingers spread, whether while dancing or just posing, is associated with the style Bob Fosse championed in his choreography.

791 Digital Display  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 3:50:12pm

re: #777 reine.de.tout

Or for the father who receives notice that his home will be targeted, and then requires his wife (wives) and children to remain.

No! Reine..did you read that story a few days ago about how they called this one house and Hamas called out for mothers and babies to rush to the house?
The IDF saw that and just couldn't launch..they couldn't do it...
The women and children come running....Just sickening if you ask me.

792 gclaghorn  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 3:50:51pm

re: #785 Salamantis

Brrrainnzzz!

She's alliiiiiiivvveee!

793 Shug  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 3:51:16pm
794 Luigi  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 3:51:41pm
"When people criticize Zionists they mean Jews"
---Martin Luther King
795 yochanan  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 3:51:44pm

re: #789 parkylarky

Mayor Bloomberg is someone who has donated millions to Israel for hospitals and health care. I don't think its fair to label his support as mere "theatrics."

An American billionaire putting himself in harm's way to show his support, to the extent that he had to take cover from rockets in Sderot(!), I believe that he is sincere.

IF BLOOMBERG TALKS PEOPLE LISTEN good for him to go to Sederot.

796 Nevergiveup  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 3:53:45pm

re: #789 parkylarky

Mayor Bloomberg is someone who has donated millions to Israel for hospitals and health care. I don't think its fair to label his support as mere "theatrics."

An American billionaire putting himself in harm's way to show his support, to the extent that he had to take cover from rockets in Sderot(!), I believe that he is sincere.

His corporation has donated money to Jewish causes amongst many other charities. For that his corporation is to be commended, but before he ran for Mayor of NYC, he had next no involvement with the extended Jewish community at large and Israel in particular other then the aforementioned money his corporation donated.

797 [deleted]  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 3:54:04pm
798 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 3:54:04pm

re: #795 yochanan

IF BLOOMBERG TALKS PEOPLE LISTEN good for him to go to Sederot.

I listened to that whole interview. His answers certainly sounded very sincere and spot on. And he wouldn't let up on the CNN reporter. No, I don't think he was just playing politics in this case.

799 Sheila Broflovski  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 3:54:52pm

re: #790 Walter L. Newton

Oh, gotcha. I thought you were "adding" to my statement. "Jazz hands" has become almost a joke in the theatre iundustry, any wide arm pose, fingers spread, whether while dancing or just posing, is associated with the style Bob Fosse championed in his choreography.

Spirit fingers!

800 MittDoesNotCompute  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 3:54:54pm

re: #206 lifeofthemind

This is Sir Winston Churchill's eulogy of Neville Chamberlain. It honors both men.

Whatever we might think of Neville Chamberlain's legacy in regards to events preceding Britain's entry into WWII, Churchill knew him better than most. Churchill's eulogy of Chamberlain was very respectful and stirring...made me tear up a bit.

801 Luigi  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 3:56:06pm

There is definitely a pattern here with the anti-Israel press coverage and the absence of any stated support from the incoming administration and the Democrat Party in general. This is not an accident. It is policy. The press is being used against Israel just as it was used to support the Democrats in the last election.

802 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 3:56:06pm

re: #799 Alouette

Spirit fingers!

Now, stop confusing me. What the heck is "spirit fingers?" :)

803 Digital Display  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 3:57:07pm

re: #783 Flying Dutchman

No, in Switzerland, I'm double national and born in the watches / banks / chocolate country

ah crap..I was hoping you were dutch..I go there on biz and wanted to have dinner there with a lizard...
You know what I like about a Dutch Dinner? Seriously those people know dinner.. It's usually 4 hours with like an hour between dishes.. You talk, You Socialize. You get over your want for refills..cause they come when ever they damn well determine they come..
I really like the Netherlands.. The food (esp. breads) are wonderful and healthy..

804 quickjustice  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 3:57:55pm

re: #798 Walter L. Newton

It's possible Bloomberg is pro-Israel, but you wouldn't know it from his tenure as mayor of NYC.

Bloomberg put the general counsel of CAIR on the NYC Human Rights Commission to buy peace with the Muslim community. He also permitted NYC to pay a radical Muslim chaplain to "minister" to inmates in the NYC prison system. In his governance of NYC, he's a dhimmi.

'Nuff said.

805 Nevergiveup  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 3:57:57pm

'He wanted to protect people'
Staff-Sergeant Dvir Emanuelof, killed in Gaza incursion, laid to rest as hundreds of friends, family members accompany casket. 'He knew he was fighting for a great cause,' says childhood friend

[Link: www.ynetnews.com...]

806 Killgore Trout  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 3:58:48pm

For those who want to do something to help....
GIYUS Megaphone is up and running again.

807 Sheila Broflovski  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 4:00:09pm

re: #802 Walter L. Newton

Now, stop confusing me. What the heck is "spirit fingers?" :)

Cheerleaders: dancers who have become retarded

808 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 4:00:21pm

re: #769 Luigi

Obama ought to come out and make a definitive pro-Israel statement. It would help. Where's Reid? Pelosi? Any Democrat? Hello?

From Reid: "I think what the Israelis are doing is very important. I think this terrorist organization, Hamas, has got to be put away. They've got to come to their senses."

809 reine.de.tout  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 4:00:43pm

re: #791 HoosierHoops

No! Reine..did you read that story a few days ago about how they called this one house and Hamas called out for mothers and babies to rush to the house?
The IDF saw that and just couldn't launch..they couldn't do it...
The women and children come running....Just sickening if you ask me.

No. I was talking about one of the top guys; what I heard was that apparently a warning call was indeed sent to his home, but they all stayed. He was killed along with 4 of his wives and 11 children . . . we had a discussion about this on another thread a couple of days ago.

810 MandyManners  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 4:01:08pm

re: #802 Walter L. Newton

Now, stop confusing me. What the heck is "spirit fingers?" :)

Kirstin Dunst did it better in Bring it On.

811 albusteve  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 4:01:20pm

re: #801 Luigi

There is definitely a pattern here with the anti-Israel press coverage and the absence of any stated support from the incoming administration and the Democrat Party in general. This is not an accident. It is policy. The press is being used against Israel just as it was used to support the Democrats in the last election.

the MSM is my dire enemy

812 Wishing  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 4:01:30pm

re: #546 Elcid

Ron Paul...on Gaza and other assorted horse shit...


[Video]

Ron Paul, palestinian apologist

813 Sheila Broflovski  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 4:01:53pm

re: #812 Wishing

Ron Paul, palestinian apologist

Ron Paul, asshole.

814 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 4:01:59pm

re: #807 Alouette

Cheerleaders: dancers who have become retarded

That certainly "perked" me up.

815 Wishing  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 4:02:08pm

El Cid, if you are still around, can you repost that dirt bag, ron paul?

816 Digital Display  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 4:02:09pm

re: #809 reine.de.tout

No. I was talking about one of the top guys; what I heard was that apparently a warning call was indeed sent to his home, but they all stayed. He was killed along with 4 of his wives and 11 children . . . we had a discussion about this on another thread a couple of days ago.

Oh Yea.. I read that too...

817 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 4:03:20pm

re: #810 MandyManners

Kirstin Dunst did it better in Bring it On.

Shit, why didn't you give me a warning? That was really scary. Even Maisey the Parrot fell off her perch.

818 gclaghorn  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 4:04:05pm

re: #750 Alouette

Oh, here she is.

Superstar!

819 Dave Brown  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 4:04:33pm

VIDEO: Obama Addressing the Press at the Sderot Police Station (July 2008)

[Link: www.theisraelproject.org...]

QUOTE: "America must always stand up for Israel's right to defend itself against those who threaten its people"

Israelis brilliantly took advantage of this window to deliver this crushing blow to the sand Nazis in Gaza.

(Pretty damn stupid of Hamas to end it’s so-called “truce” during Bush’s last weeks, and with Netanyahu egging on the current Government. With "facts on the ground", it should be reasonably easily for Obama to stand by the statements he made in this video.)

Its a beautiful thing when a monster boasts and bares his chest just when one’s sword is ready for the job. Hopefully the Israelis can bury it to the hilt.

820 Shug  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 4:04:39pm
821 rain of lead  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 4:04:47pm

re: #784 reine.de.tout

ot for reine
how's the cookbook coming?
is there a date for purchase yet?

822 Nevergiveup  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 4:04:50pm

Obama arriving in DC on an Air Force Plane. And so it begins.

823 albusteve  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 4:04:56pm

re: #817 Walter L. Newton

Shit, why didn't you give me a warning? That was really scary. Even Maisey the Parrot fell off her perch.

get her some golf shoes...problem solved!

824 Spare O'Lake  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 4:05:20pm

Good evening LGF.
Skaaarrrrewwww the Hamas Islamofascist Terror Entity.

825 jwb7605  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 4:05:20pm

re: #807 Alouette

Cheerleaders: dancers who have become retarded

Thank you for affirming why my gut instinct has told me "don't even bother" with the "Bring it On" (totally free!) movies on cable.

826 Sharmuta  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 4:05:22pm

re: #817 Walter L. Newton

Shit, why didn't you give me a warning? That was really scary. Even Maisey the Parrot fell off her perch.

You should teach Maisey to say, "SKWACK! Go piss up a rope!"

827 Wishing  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 4:06:38pm

re: #750 Alouette

Oh, here she is.

Um, whenever I have been at the hospital when a family member died, I always found some bedsprings to stand on. Eases the pain, and all.
/

828 jaunte  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 4:06:49pm

All Your Fakes Are Belong To Us

829 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 4:07:10pm

OT-

I out of here in a few minutes. I have to go embrace my inner senior citizenship. I turned 56 on Christmas eve, and I am starting to notice most of the people I know are, well, my age.

Tonight I have to go speak at a seniors group at a community center along with author Joanne Greenberg (I Never Promised You A Rose Garden) and director Rick Bernstein.

We are discussing the process of how a book goes from page to stage. I even get a free dinner and a honorarium for talking.

830 reine.de.tout  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 4:09:01pm

re: #821 rain of lead

ot for reine
how's the cookbook coming?
is there a date for purchase yet?

Not yet.
Latest updates are here

The book is ready to be uploaded - we are simply awaiting the final cover art, which will be great thanks to talented Jaunte - who has created a great cover and is now finalizing it!

When it's ready, you can be certain I will announce it and provide a link for purchase!

831 Nevergiveup  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 4:09:19pm

Report: Hamas mission to leave for Cairo
Published: 01.05.09, 01:12 / Israel News
The al-Arabiya network of the United Arab Emirates reported Sunday that a Hamas delegation is scheduled to leave for Cairo on Monday. (Roee Nahmias)

From where?

832 Sheila Broflovski  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 4:09:48pm

re: #827 Wishing

Um, whenever I have been at the hospital when a family member died, I always found some bedsprings to stand on. Eases the pain, and all.
/

And when you learn a loved one has passed away, don't you always break out into a Broadway song and dance routine? (well, assuming that it was your stingy asshole great-uncle who croaked and left you all his millions)

833 Digital Display  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 4:10:37pm

Gak..My Dog ate one of my cigars!

834 loppyd  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 4:10:41pm

re: #822 Nevergiveup

Obama arriving in DC on an Air Force Plane. And so it begins.

So far so good.....two big scandals before he even touched down in DC.

835 Sheila Broflovski  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 4:10:54pm

re: #831 Nevergiveup

Report: Hamas mission to leave for Cairo
Published: 01.05.09, 01:12 / Israel News
The al-Arabiya network of the United Arab Emirates reported Sunday that a Hamas delegation is scheduled to leave for Cairo on Monday. (Roee Nahmias)

From where?

From the new tunnels they just dug.

836 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 4:11:03pm

re: #833 HoosierHoops

Gak..My Dog ate one of my cigars!

re: #833 HoosierHoops

Gak..My Dog ate one of my cigars!

Is your dog ok?

837 rain of lead  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 4:11:10pm

re: #830 reine.de.tout

cool. Thanks!

838 Bloodnok  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 4:11:22pm

re: #833 HoosierHoops

Gak..My Dog ate one of my cigars!

Wait a couple of minutes. You'll get it back. And how...

839 MittDoesNotCompute  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 4:11:27pm

re: #277 transient

Wasn't there a weapon that could be used in bunkers to suck all the air out? There was some discussion of that in '06 during the Lebanon war, but not sure if it was used, or if Israel even has it.

re: #298 transient

I remember something with a fancier name.

Hyperbaric/thermobaric bombs, like we used on the caves in Afghanistan...wicked stuff.

840 jwb7605  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 4:11:33pm

re: #833 HoosierHoops

Gak..My Dog ate one of my cigars!
/Monica

(missing tag - fixed)

841 loppyd  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 4:11:43pm

re: #833 HoosierHoops

Gak..My Dog ate one of my cigars!

Uh-oh. That can't be good for the poor pooch.

842 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 4:11:47pm

re: #833 HoosierHoops

Gak..My Dog ate one of my cigars!

That can't be good. Shouldn't he go to the vet?

843 Sheila Broflovski  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 4:11:58pm

re: #833 HoosierHoops

Gak..My Dog ate one of my cigars!

Are cigars as toxic to dogs as grapes?

844 gclaghorn  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 4:12:16pm

re: #833 HoosierHoops

Gak..My Dog ate one of my cigars!

Oooh. Sounds bad. Is your dog okay?

845 MandyManners  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 4:12:33pm

re: #817 Walter L. Newton

Shit, why didn't you give me a warning? That was really scary. Even Maisey the Parrot fell off her perch.

Give her a peck on the cheek for me.

846 jwb7605  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 4:12:53pm

re: #843 Alouette

Are cigars as toxic to dogs as grapes?

Cigars will do to dogs what the proverbial "first smoke" does to kids.
(standby with the puke scraper)

847 Digital Display  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 4:13:15pm

re: #836 Walter L. Newton

Is your dog ok?

I went into the den and he had a cigar torn up in little pieces all over..

848 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 4:13:36pm

re: #845 MandyManners

Give her a peck on the cheek for me.

Really, Maisey would sleep with me if I let her. It's bad enough she'll "present" herself to me when she is horny.

849 Nevergiveup  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 4:14:56pm

Jordan says will 'reevaluate' relations with Israel
Amman said to be infuriated by Gaza offensive, as Jordanian MPs demand diplomatic relations be severed. Israeli ambassador expelled

[Link: www.ynetnews.com...]

Go ahead fuck wad, and next time Syria starts to invade your country, lose Israel's phone number.

850 reine.de.tout  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 4:15:23pm

re: #816 HoosierHoops

Oh Yea.. I read that too...

Hoosier - as to the other point you made - the IDF is not going to kill women and children deliberately. They will not do it. They put themselves and their missions at risk when they send warning calls and drop warning leaflets.

Nizar Rayan is the guy I was talking about. Check the link. There's video there. Back on 2006, this guy stated that it is Hamas' intention to use “the bodies and souls” of [Palestinian] civilians to protect the houses of “jihad fighters”. Check the link, scroll about halfway into the post for more info.

851 rain of lead  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 4:15:51pm

re: #848 Walter L. Newton

Really, Maisey would sleep with me if I let her. It's bad enough she'll "present" herself to me when she is horny.

your bird and my wife need to have a talk :0

852 reine.de.tout  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 4:15:56pm

re: #833 HoosierHoops

Gak..My Dog ate one of my cigars!

Yikes!
Better call the vet. Really.
But you didn't need to blame Gak for that!

853 Wishing  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 4:15:59pm
854 loppyd  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 4:16:12pm

re: #849 Nevergiveup

Go ahead fuck wad, and next time Syria starts to invade your country, lose Israel's phone number.

I know this is a serious statement, but you just made me choke on the water I was drinking.

855 Flying Dutchman  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 4:16:29pm

re: #803 HoosierHoops

ah crap..I was hoping you were dutch..I go there on biz and wanted to have dinner there with a lizard...
You know what I like about a Dutch Dinner? Seriously those people know dinner.. It's usually 4 hours with like an hour between dishes.. You talk, You Socialize. You get over your want for refills..cause they come when ever they damn well determine they come..
I really like the Netherlands.. The food (esp. breads) are wonderful and healthy..

Well, next time you come to Switzerland send me a sign and I'll arrange something nice, food and wine is also great around here (as my waistband shows ;-)

856 NYCHardhat  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 4:16:35pm

This song is wonderful.
857 summergurl  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 4:16:40pm

re: #791 HoosierHoops

No! Reine..did you read that story a few days ago about how they called this one house and Hamas called out for mothers and babies to rush to the house?
The IDF saw that and just couldn't launch..they couldn't do it...
The women and children come running....Just sickening if you ask me.

I had not heard that story - if the MSM would just give that story some airtime the tide would turn, people would be repulsed by the action of Hamas. Why will they not do that?

858 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 4:17:30pm

Out of here, back later tonight.

859 debutaunt  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 4:18:14pm

re: #808 SanFranciscoZionist

From Reid: "I think what the Israelis are doing is very important. I think this terrorist organization, Hamas, has got to be put away. They've got to come to their senses."

Here comes a nice new terrorist organization to fill in and carry on.

860 stevieray  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 4:19:12pm

About the Islamo/Leftist troll infestations:

What do you think about Pajamas Media, along with a few other carefully selected outside websites, create an IP/MAC address database? Make it searchable, restricted to site administrators, tying all comments made to their specific IP addy?

It would greatly aid in exposing mobys if administrators could compare questionable comments from a specific IP with other comments from that same IP... track an address as the user pretends to be a conservative, a libertarian, an ex-Palestinian supporter, etc...

It would be especially useful if the commenter in question was also leaving serious comments on some forums, showing their true ideology... and then tracing the "nuke 'em all" mobyisms to the same address.

Whaddaya think? Doable?

861 summergurl  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 4:19:38pm

re: #829 Walter L. Newton

OT-

I out of here in a few minutes. I have to go embrace my inner senior citizenship. I turned 56 on Christmas eve, and I am starting to notice most of the people I know are, well, my age.

Tonight I have to go speak at a seniors group at a community center along with author Joanne Greenberg (I Never Promised You A Rose Garden) and director Rick Bernstein.

We are discussing the process of how a book goes from page to stage. I even get a free dinner and a honorarium for talking.


Your showing your age being excited about the prospect of a free dinner.

lol

862 swamprat  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 4:19:58pm

re: #857 summergurl

Either the story might be bogus....or the fix is in.

I'll take door number two.

863 Killgore Trout  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 4:20:21pm

re: #833 HoosierHoops
NICOTINE (CIGARETTE) POISONING IN PETS

The toxic dose for nicotine in pets is 20-100 mg. A cigarette contains 9-30 mg of nicotine depending on the type of cigarette; while a cigarette butt contains about 25% of the nicotine of the original cigarette despite its deceptively small amount of tobacco. (Smoking seems to concentrate some of the nicotine in the tail end of the cigarette.) Cigars can contain up to 40 mg. Chewing tobacco carries 6-8 mg per gram while the gum is 2-4 mg per piece and patches 8.3-114 mg. Smoking a cigarette yields only 0.5-2 mg of nicotine but eating one is a different ballgame as all of the nicotine becomes available for absorption into the body.

Some good news is that nicotine is not absorbed directly in the acid environment of the stomach; the nicotine must move past the stomach into the small intestine for absorption. One of the first things nicotine does in the body is stimulate the vomit center of the brain, thus inducing vomiting which may save the patient’s life if there is more cigarette material in the stomach.


Keep an eye on him and look up the nearest emergency care clinic for speed dial.

864 MandyManners  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 4:20:36pm

re: #848 Walter L. Newton

My eyebrows have shot up to the back of my head.

865 Kragar  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 4:21:01pm

re: #857 summergurl

I had not heard that story - if the MSM would just give that story some airtime the tide would turn, people would be repulsed by the action of Hamas. Why will they not do that?

I recall them doing this on more than one occassion

866 Bloodnok  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 4:21:13pm

re: #864 MandyManners

My eyebrows have shot up to the back of my head.

Nancy Pelosi is that you?

867 lifeofthemind  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 4:21:20pm

re: #849 Nevergiveup

Jordan says will 'reevaluate' relations with Israel
Amman said to be infuriated by Gaza offensive, as Jordanian MPs demand diplomatic relations be severed. Israeli ambassador expelled

[Link: www.ynetnews.com...]

Go ahead fuck wad, and next time Syria starts to invade your country, lose Israel's phone number.

See my #100

869 Outrider  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 4:21:25pm

re: #861 summergurl

Your showing your age being excited about the prospect of a free dinner.

lol

Actors. They can't get enough applause.......... Or honorariums. ;-)>

870 Only The Lurker Knows  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 4:21:33pm

re: #839 talon_262

It was called foo-gas or in more modern terminology, acetylene gas. You pump it into a tunnel and then ignite it. The Germans used it against the Jews in the Warsaw Ghetto to drive them out of the sewers. We, the U.S later used it in Nam.

871 Cdat88  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 4:21:36pm

re: #695 smokefire

[Link: pizzaidf.org...]

Donate to IDF

Thank You.

Thanks for the link. Pizza for a patrol is on it's way. Love the thought of these folks enjoying a snack on my dime. They have earned it.

872 Nevergiveup  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 4:21:55pm

71 yard touchdown run by Westbrook- Philly up by 9

873 Wishing  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 4:22:01pm

I wish Rice would go on to China, anyway: Israel certainlky has NO NEED of her services.
Traitor.

874 MandyManners  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 4:22:13pm

re: #849 Nevergiveup

Jordan says will 'reevaluate' relations with Israel
Amman said to be infuriated by Gaza offensive, as Jordanian MPs demand diplomatic relations be severed. Israeli ambassador expelled

[Link: www.ynetnews.com...]

Go ahead fuck wad, and next time Syria starts to invade your country, lose Israel's phone number.

You're not really a dentist, are you? You're John Bolton.

875 yochanan  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 4:22:35pm

re: #844 gclaghorn

my pussey cat ate one of my 'smokes'

sarc/ bad boy tag.

876 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 4:22:47pm

Is the video dead or is there a way to see it still?

877 MandyManners  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 4:22:49pm

re: #866 Bloodnok

Nancy Pelosi is that you?

Nah. They've settled back down.

878 ArmyWife  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 4:23:18pm

re: #829 Walter L. Newton

Good luck to you! Don't forget your discount coffee at McDonald's.

879 Wishing  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 4:23:25pm

re: #860 stevieray

Great idea Stevie, as to do-able or not, only the geeks among us can answer that one. But I love the Idea...NCIC for trolls. Yep, Love it!

880 summergurl  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 4:23:34pm

re: #853 Wishing

OMG


That was horrible. Maybe we ought to have zoom lenses for all pics from Gaza.

881 Spare O'Lake  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 4:23:45pm

re: #848 Walter L. Newton

Really, Maisey would sleep with me if I let her. It's bad enough she'll "present" herself to me when she is horny.

Such self control is admirable.

882 lifeofthemind  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 4:23:55pm

re: #875 yochanan

my pussey cat ate one of my 'smokes'

sarc/ bad boy tag.

When did this become a Lewinsky thread?

883 Nevergiveup  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 4:23:57pm

re: #867 lifeofthemind

See my #100

I agree, he should be very careful what he wishes for.

884 jwb7605  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 4:24:23pm

re: #875 yochanan

my pussey cat ate one of my 'smokes'

sarc/ bad boy tag.

From the posts I've seen here, none of my dogs should never have seen the light of 14 years of age.
Especially the Irish Setter who lived to be 16 1/2.

885 kansas  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 4:24:27pm

This headline on the CNN site
Doctor in Gaza: Patients 'lying everywhere'

You expected them to tell the truth?

886 swamprat  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 4:24:40pm

re: #873 Wishing
You'd think China would have had enough of Rice by now.

/ducks

887 Outrider  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 4:24:46pm

re: #875 yochanan

my pussey cat ate one of my 'smokes'

sarc/ bad boy tag.

Ahhh Alex, that would be what did Monica Lewinsky say to Bill Clinton ater he gave her one of his cigars.

888 gop_patriot  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 4:25:04pm

re: #866 Bloodnok

Nancy Pelosi is that you?

Going by the fact that she can move them at all, I'd say no. ;)

889 summergurl  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 4:25:21pm

re: #793 Shug

Ok, who forgot to get us a real dead baby?

The guy in the pic looks like he might be related to Cynthia "Crazy Eyes" McKinney

890 MandyManners  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 4:25:29pm

re: #885 kansas

This headline on the CNN site
Doctor in Gaza: Patients Hamas 'lying everywhere'

You expected them to tell the truth?

More accurate.

891 Fat Jolly Penguin  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 4:25:51pm
892 Nevergiveup  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 4:25:58pm

re: #874 MandyManners

You're not really a dentist, are you? You're John Bolton.

it would take me over a year to grow a mustache like that. I am not John Bolton, but i did stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night.

893 Wishing  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 4:27:22pm

Ok please someone tell me...who's arm is this?
right here

894 Nevergiveup  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 4:27:44pm

re: #885 kansas

This headline on the CNN site
Doctor in Gaza: Patients 'lying everywhere'

You expected them to tell the truth?

Well if they spent less money on missiles and IEDs, maybe they would have more money for hospitals and beds?

895 MandyManners  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 4:27:44pm

re: #891 Fat Jolly Penguin

Obama wants 600,000 new government jobs

ACORN branches popping up all over!

896 stevieray  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 4:28:12pm

re: #876 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

Is the video dead or is there a way to see it still?

Here's a link to the video. Its been moved to liveleak.

897 Digital Display  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 4:28:22pm

re: #863 Killgore Trout

He is fine i think..Winston crewed a Cuban on my desk into shreds in the Den..With glue i could possible get it all back..
So what should i do? *Lizard Vote*
1. Buy a cheap cigar and soak it in hot sauce?
2. Sit him down like my mom did to me and force me to smoke a whole cigar? You like that shit? no no smoke it ALL...
3. Vault the remaining cigars in the safe
4. Call the dog whisperer

898 Bloodnok  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 4:28:32pm

re: #893 Wishing

Ok please someone tell me...who's arm is this?
right here

ManHands!

899 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 4:29:02pm

re: #893 Wishing

Ok please someone tell me...who's arm is this?
right here

The woman's... the shawl isn't where her shoulder is, just looks like it.

900 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 4:29:17pm

re: #896 stevieray

Here's a link to the video. Its been moved to liveleak.

Thank you!

901 summergurl  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 4:29:20pm

re: #869 Outrider

Actors. They can't get enough applause.......... Or honorariums. ;-)>


He already left?
Must be the early bird seating.

902 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 4:29:27pm

re: #897 HoosierHoops

My parents caught me smoking pot. They shot me up with heroin.

903 Nevergiveup  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 4:29:47pm

re: #897 HoosierHoops

He is fine i think..Winston crewed a Cuban on my desk into shreds in the Den..With glue i could possible get it all back..
So what should i do? *Lizard Vote*
1. Buy a cheap cigar and soak it in hot sauce?
2. Sit him down like my mom did to me and force me to smoke a whole cigar? You like that shit? no no smoke it ALL...
3. Vault the remaining cigars in the safe
4. Call the dog whisperer

Buy a rawhide cigar

904 MandyManners  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 4:29:51pm

re: #893 Wishing

Ok please someone tell me...who's arm is this?
right here

Her daughter might be wounded but, that baby isn't. No wounded baby has such a calm expression. Ever.

905 Nevergiveup  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 4:30:18pm

re: #902 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

My parents caught me smoking pot. They shot me up with heroin.

That explains alot?

906 debutaunt  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 4:30:32pm

re: #902 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

My parents caught me smoking pot. They shot me up with heroin.

Tough love

907 reine.de.tout  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 4:30:55pm

re: #695 smokefire

[Link: pizzaidf.org...]

Donate to IDF

Thank You.

I can't get the link to work. System tells me it's "broken".
Maybe overloaded right now?

908 jwb7605  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 4:31:41pm

re: #897 HoosierHoops

He is fine i think..Winston crewed a Cuban on my desk into shreds in the Den..With glue i could possible get it all back..
So what should i do? *Lizard Vote*
1. Buy a cheap cigar and soak it in hot sauce?
2. Sit him down like my mom did to me and force me to smoke a whole cigar? You like that shit? no no smoke it ALL...
3. Vault the remaining cigars in the safe
4. Call the dog whisperer

(1) will let him develop a "taste" for hot sauce (been there)
(2) will get him hooked
(3) will result in a dog that figures out how to jack the safe

... I'll go with 4. The dog whisperer is a total buffoon, and fun to watch.

909 Luigi  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 4:32:33pm

[Link: powerlineblog.com...]

Many liberals have what strikes me as a touching faith that the election of Barack Obama will cause America to be better loved by people around the world, including those who are ideologically hostile to the United States. They take seriously the idea that the fact that George Bush is hated in some precincts, and his likeness is a staple of anti-American demonstrations, tells us something about Bush rather than about the people who dislike our country.

So I confess to some satisfaction in seeing Obama's likeness paraded at a hate rally in Jakarta, along with those of Maburak and Olmert. The protesters were blaming Obama for Israel's attack on Hamas, when he hasn't even been inaugurated yet!

910 summergurl  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 4:33:02pm

re: #897 HoosierHoops

He is fine i think..Winston crewed a Cuban on my desk into shreds in the Den..With glue i could possible get it all back..
So what should i do? *Lizard Vote*
1. Buy a cheap cigar and soak it in hot sauce?
2. Sit him down like my mom did to me and force me to smoke a whole cigar? You like that shit? no no smoke it ALL...
3. Vault the remaining cigars in the safe
4. Call the dog whisperer

Put them in a humidor so he can't get them?

911 [deleted]  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 4:33:14pm
912 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 4:33:39pm

re: #897 HoosierHoops

He is fine i think..Winston crewed a Cuban on my desk into shreds in the Den..With glue i could possible get it all back..
So what should i do? *Lizard Vote*
1. Buy a cheap cigar and soak it in hot sauce?
2. Sit him down like my mom did to me and force me to smoke a whole cigar? You like that shit? no no smoke it ALL...
3. Vault the remaining cigars in the safe
4. Call the dog whisperer

Since you are still buying Cubans, I humbly submit that your mother's technique didn't work. I vote for the safe.

913 Nevergiveup  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 4:33:48pm

1:34 Thousands in Lebanon, Turkey protest Gaza operation (AP)

Oh Turkey, thanks again for fucking us but not letting the 4th ID in. Assholes.

914 Only The Lurker Knows  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 4:34:32pm

BTW, Evening all. Glad to be still here. The last thing I remember was a post containing *DELETED* *DELETED* *DELETED*. So I hope I didn't embarrass myself .

/ overly much
// Shit Happens

915 notutopia  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 4:34:37pm

re: #897 HoosierHoops

He is fine i think..Winston crewed a Cuban on my desk into shreds in the Den..With glue i could possible get it all back..
So what should i do? *Lizard Vote*
1. Buy a cheap cigar and soak it in hot sauce?
2. Sit him down like my mom did to me and force me to smoke a whole cigar? You like that shit? no no smoke it ALL...
3. Vault the remaining cigars in the safe
4. Call the dog whisperer

5. Put all the cubans in a tight lid humidor. Preferably one that has a key.

916 jwb7605  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 4:34:44pm

re: #913 Nevergiveup

1:34 Thousands in Lebanon, Turkey protest Gaza operation (AP)

Oh Turkey, thanks again for fucking us but not letting the 4th ID in. Assholes.

IMO, the reason the war 'went badly' after Baghdad was taken.

917 Bloodnok  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 4:34:59pm

re: #897 HoosierHoops

He is fine i think..Winston crewed a Cuban on my desk into shreds in the Den..With glue i could possible get it all back..
So what should i do? *Lizard Vote*
1. Buy a cheap cigar and soak it in hot sauce?
2. Sit him down like my mom did to me and force me to smoke a whole cigar? You like that shit? no no smoke it ALL...
3. Vault the remaining cigars in the safe
4. Call the dog whisperer

5. Wean him off using dip.

918 rawmuse  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 4:35:04pm

re: #891 Fat Jolly Penguin

Obama wants 600,000 new government jobs

Aw, come on now, to be fair, some of those jobs you may actually have to show up to pick up your check. Maybe even have to do something.

919 Luigi  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 4:35:23pm

Another pix of Obama taking Bush's place as a figure of hatred in the Muslim world. Also check #6.

Image: r2483875204.jpg


Protesters wearing masks of Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak (L), Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert and U.S. President-elect Barack Obama (R) during a rally against Israeli attacks in the Gaza Strip, in Jakarta January 4, 2009.
920 gop_patriot  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 4:35:26pm

re: #893 Wishing

Ok please someone tell me...who's arm is this?
right here

That would be the woman in the front seat's arm- the woman who is barely hanging on to the tiny infant that is riding in her lap about a foot from the gigantic open window of the moving car.

921 abolitionist  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 4:35:58pm

re: #860 stevieray

...tying all comments made to their specific IP addy?

Right there is one of the flaws in such a plan. For many net users, and the number is increasing their 32bit IP address is not a reliable identifier. For some, yes, but for many, no.

922 esch  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 4:36:24pm

re: #891 Fat Jolly Penguin

Obama wants 600,000 new government jobs

The rot has metastasized, and conservatives have by all appearances conceded the republic to the naive, deluded socialists.

It's time for a new frontier.

923 Nevergiveup  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 4:36:29pm

re: #916 jwb7605

IMO, the reason the war 'went badly' after Baghdad was taken.

Yes me to. If we had been able to cut off that northern retreat from Baghdad faster things might have been better.

924 [deleted]  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 4:36:43pm
925 jacksontn  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 4:37:06pm

re: #919 Luigi

Another pix of Obama taking Bush's place as a figure of hatred in the Muslim world. Also check #6.

[Link: news.yahoo.com...]

Can't see the pic you talking about ...I think it is gone now ...

926 MrPaulRevere  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 4:38:00pm

Michelle Malkin has her year end review of the conservative (yes, I know many flinch from labels) blogosphere. Zombie gets appropriate kudos as does LGF. [Link: michellemalkin.com...]

927 Luigi  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 4:38:21pm

re: #925 jacksontn

Can't see the pic you talking about ...I think it is gone now ...

The link didn't work for some reason, but if you go back to my #909 you can follow the link from Poweline to the Yahoo news pics.

928 swamprat  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 4:38:52pm

fish eye lens...done for drama

Assuming it's a woman;
"big hands, I know your the one!"

929 Digital Display  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 4:39:07pm

re: #908 jwb7605

(1) will let him develop a "taste" for hot sauce (been there)
(2) will get him hooked
(3) will result in a dog that figures out how to jack the safe

... I'll go with 4. The dog whisperer is a total buffoon, and fun to watch.

you can't even yell at him..He has this 'Can't you see how cute I am?' Looks.
HHe walks around with peporonis in his mouth like a cigar.. It really is funny..
But I'm thinking Winston is an ex-smoker..

930 Spare O'Lake  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 4:39:10pm

It seems to me that Obama could help to dash the hopes of Hamas by making a statement in which he expresses unequivocal support for Israel's efforts to stop the terror missiles.
His silence worries Jews and gives the terrorists HOPE.

931 melinwy  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 4:41:25pm

re: #828 jaunte

All Your Fakes Are Belong To Us

thanks, can't wait to pass that one on

932 Nevergiveup  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 4:41:51pm

re: #930 Spare O'Lake

It seems to me that Obama could help to dash the hopes of Hamas by making a statement in which he expresses unequivocal support for Israel's efforts to stop the terror missiles.
His silence worries Jews and gives the terrorists HOPE.

But But but my fellows jews voted for him. What are they having buyers remorse? Or are they just morons like I have suspected all along?

933 MittDoesNotCompute  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 4:41:51pm

re: #581 albusteve

Ron Paul an anti-Semetic?...links?

Ron Paul is an emetic...makes me want to hurl every time he or his nutball followers are mentioned.

;-P

934 TaeJohnDo  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 4:42:08pm

re: #922 esch

The rot has metastasized, and conservatives have by all appearances conceded the republic to the naive, deluded socialists.

It's time for a new frontier.

Canada? We going to invade settle in Canada?

Eh?

////

935 Pigtown Water Dog  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 4:42:47pm

re: #660 yochanan

Please know that your family is in my family's thoughts and prayers.

936 swamprat  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 4:42:50pm

re: #928 swamprat

1 post 928 is in response to 893.
2 you're.(Preview is my pal)

937 debutaunt  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 4:43:00pm

re: #917 Bloodnok

5. Wean him off using dip.

Kibble and meth

938 [deleted]  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 4:43:13pm
939 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 4:43:29pm

re: #909 Luigi

[Link: powerlineblog.com...]

David Aaronovitch of the London Guardian wrote a good piece about this some time back--basically telling his fellow English leftists up front that sooner rather than later Obama would do something they'd hate, 'cause that's the job.

I doubt it got through to any of them...

940 Outrider  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 4:44:06pm

re: #920 gop_patriot

That would be the woman in the front seat's arm- the woman who is barely hanging on to the tiny infant that is riding in her lap about a foot from the gigantic open window of the moving car.

Perhaps ALL these same papers could show all the damage and wounded people after the Hamas rocket and mortar attacks hit Israel.

Oh, wait, that would be over 3,000 times last year alone... about ten strikes a day average.

941 Bloodnok  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 4:44:25pm

re: #922 esch

The rot has metastasized, and conservatives have by all appearances conceded the republic to the naive, deluded socialists.

It's time for a new frontier.

Yes. Yes it is.

Donald Fagen

942 swamprat  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 4:44:36pm

re: #934 TaeJohnDo

Canada? We going to invade settle in Canada?

Eh?

////


Well, they have beer, and matches that actually light....
Good enough! Let's go.

943 Wishing  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 4:44:55pm
944 [deleted]  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 4:45:33pm
945 Bloodnok  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 4:45:52pm

re: #937 debutaunt

Kibble and meth

El Prodogto

946 Kragar  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 4:46:14pm

re: #943 Wishing

Someone

'Splain these

Please?

Parading the dead for fun and profit

947 Nevergiveup  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 4:46:22pm

Knicks up by 11 over Celtics in 3rd?

948 realwest  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 4:46:43pm

Hey y'all - is someone talking about Obama giving a vote of confidence to Israel the way Bush has done?!
I wouldn't hold my breath on that!

949 jorline  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 4:46:46pm

re: #683 yochanan

you should change the name from buchanan to YOCHANAN i know it is just a typo but a funny one. made me smile

Sorry about that, yochanan. It wasn't a typo...all I did is respond to your #623...I never touched your name. I'm no fan of Buchanan's and would never think of it as a joke.

/I'm stumped

950 Wishing  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 4:47:05pm

re: #946 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Parading the dead for fun and profit

So leave the dead in the west, pray east, then turn back to west?

951 jwb7605  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 4:47:43pm

re: #923 Nevergiveup

Yes me to. If we had been able to cut off that northern retreat from Baghdad faster things might have been better.

My son was in the group (3rd Marines) that took the bridge in southeast Baghdad.
I watched that scene from a hospital bed. The nurse was afraid I'd be "overcome" and tried to turn the channel. Nurse got yelled at. I was 'sedated', and Chesty Puller would have been proud of me.

952 reine.de.tout  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 4:47:43pm

re: #949 jorline

Sorry about that, yochanan. It wasn't a typo...all I did is respond to your #623...I never touched your name. I'm no fan of Buchanan's and would never think of it as a joke.

/I'm stumped

Jorline, hello! Long time no see.
How are you? Healthy? Pain-free I hope?

953 Bloodnok  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 4:47:52pm

re: #947 Nevergiveup

Knicks up by 11 over Celtics in 3rd?

I don't know what's wrong with the Cs lately. The bench is terrible. I think the Lakers messed with their heads on Christmas.

954 Nevergiveup  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 4:48:08pm

re: #950 Wishing

So leave the dead in the west, pray east, then turn back to west?

Then shake it all around and do the hokey pokey

955 Kragar  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 4:48:10pm

re: #950 Wishing

So leave the dead in the west, pray east, then turn back to west?

No clue. All I see with that many Hamas supporters in one place is a huge bullseye.

956 Throbert McGee  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 4:48:29pm

re: #142 David IV of Georgia

At church I was surprised to see someone wearing a keffiyah. Then I noticed that it was printed all over with the words:

שאלו שלום ירושלם

"Pray for the peace of Jerusalem." Psalm 122:6

How do you pronounce that first Hebrew word? Is the vav to be read as a consonant or as a vowel place-holder when it's at the end of a word, as here?

(The shlom yroslm part I can figure out!)

957 gop_patriot  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 4:48:37pm

Shut upChuck.

MINNEAPOLIS -- Democrat Al Franken should be seated in the Senate when it convenes Tuesday, New York Sen. Charles Schumer said Sunday.

Schumer, the former head of the Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee, said in a statement that it's clear Franken has defeated Republican incumbent Norm Coleman for the Minnesota Senate seat.

Schumer said Coleman can't get enough votes to win, even if claims of double-counted ballots are resolved.

958 [deleted]  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 4:48:42pm
959 Only The Lurker Knows  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 4:48:45pm

re: #922 esch

The rot has metastasized, and conservatives have by all appearances conceded the republic to the naive, deluded socialists.

It's time for a new frontier.

960 debutaunt  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 4:48:48pm

re: #944 Iron Fist

Ground beef, some curare, and a pound of Mexican Brown heroine...

We're just having carnitas for dinner - nothing so exotic.

961 Wishing  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 4:49:18pm

re: #954 Nevergiveup

Then shake it all around and do the hokey pokey

I really find no pleasure in mocking at a time when so many have died, I am just totally puzzled by the respects paid to the dead in Islam.
It just all seems most strange to me.

962 reine.de.tout  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 4:49:25pm

re: #955 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

No clue. All I see with that many Hamas supporters in one place is a huge bullseye.

I always wonder - where are the mothers, sisters, aunts and other female relatives of the dead? I never see any live women in these photos.

963 MandyManners  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 4:49:33pm

re: #941 Bloodnok

Yes. Yes it is.

Donald Fagen

YES!

964 Wishing  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 4:49:56pm

re: #956 Throbert McGee

How do you pronounce that first Hebrew word? Is the vav to be read as a consonant or as a vowel place-holder when it's at the end of a word, as here?

(The shlom yroslm part I can figure out!)

Sha-lu Shalom Yerushalyim

965 realwest  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 4:50:58pm

re: #949 jorline
Hey jorline, how are ya doing tonight?

966 Kragar  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 4:51:21pm

re: #958 Iron Fist

Even in death, the Palestinians serve the Jihad. And everyone in Gaza is a "civillian" in the mind of the AP. Even if they just got through firing a mortar at Israel.

Thanks to youth indoctrination and use of every possible asset in Gaza to kill Israelis, there are no civilians left in Gaza.

967 MandyManners  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 4:51:45pm

re: #943 Wishing

Someone

'Splain these

Please?

They're dead.

968 Kragar  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 4:51:47pm

re: #962 reine.de.tout

I always wonder - where are the mothers, sisters, aunts and other female relatives of the dead? I never see any live women in these photos.

They keep those harlots bagged and out of sight.

969 albusteve  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 4:52:05pm

re: #922 esch

The rot has metastasized, and conservatives have by all appearances conceded the republic to the naive, deluded socialists.

It's time for a new frontier.

agreed...

970 Timbre  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 4:52:23pm

Minister Goebbels reported that 3, 241 people have died following the invasion by the Polish Army on December 31, 1944. "This is an outrage," Goebbels declared. "There are bodies everywhere! The Polish imperialists have again brutally attacked our peaceful people." Goebbels stated that people were dying before receiving medical treatment. "We have no food, no medicine, no electricity, no water, as a result of the aggressive air raids of the Poles and their so-called allies," Goebbels stated. This reporter noticed a huge pile of approximately 3,240 torn and bloody Waffen SS uniforms in the corner of the hospital.

/go to hell Pali. spokesman...

971 swamprat  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 4:52:28pm

re: #943 Wishing

Someone

'Splain these

Please?

They are "civilians"; Men of Military Age, who happen to somehow be in front of Israeli weapons. They are also young enough to be considered "children" or "youths". They may also be members of Hamas;....but not the "military wing". Otherwise the caption would have said so.


And without sarcasm, my heart does bleed for the poor S.O.B.s who wanted a paycheck, and got a funeral shawl.

972 realwest  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 4:52:45pm

re: #957 gop_patriot
Hey, if Chuchy Cheese Schumer says Franken should be seated, you can be sure that Franken lost. That's the New York Way! LOL!

973 TaeJohnDo  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 4:52:54pm

re: #942 swamprat

Well, they have beer, and matches that actually light....
Good enough! Let's go.

I'm descended from settlers who first entered Canada in the 1600s. When they realized how cold it was there they moved South. To Northern Vermont. (They apparently weren't rocket scientists. Lucky for me my Dad entered the AF and retired in New Mexico.

974 Nevergiveup  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 4:53:12pm

02:47 UN secretary general: UN has central role to play in ending Gaza conflict (AP)

Wanna bet?

975 Wishing  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 4:53:24pm

re: #971 swamprat

They are "civilians"; Men of Military Age, who happen to somehow be in front of Israeli weapons. They are also young enough to be considered "children" or "youths". They may also be members of Hamas;....but not the "military wing". Otherwise the caption would have said so.

And without sarcasm, my heart does bleed for the poor S.O.B.s who wanted a paycheck, and got a funeral shawl.

My question really is about the crowd positions.

976 lawhawk  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 4:53:33pm

re: #943 Wishing

Someone

'Splain these

Please?

As Charles and I have been pointing out for the past few days, Hamas and the Gazans are parading around the dead - particularly children as props.

They're hoping to gain sympathies for their terror war against Israel by showing all the dead bodies, knowing that the context will be notably absent. The media ignores key details - like how Hamas terrorists surround themselves with their wives and kids and purposefully expose women and children to attacks. They store their mortars, rockets, and weapons caches in and among kids and schools and hospitals - so that if they are attacked by Israel, the maximum damage will be done. It is a strategy born of a knowledge that the media has it in for Israel and that the images will be transmitted around the world in the blink of an eye, so that jihadis and Islamists the world over can whine seethe and demand destruction of Israel and the West in time for the next prayers.

977 Sheila Broflovski  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 4:53:40pm

re: #956 Throbert McGee

How do you pronounce that first Hebrew word? Is the vav to be read as a consonant or as a vowel place-holder when it's at the end of a word, as here?

(The shlom yroslm part I can figure out!)

Sha'alu shalom Yerushalayim

Inquire about the peace of Jerusalem.

978 jorline  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 4:53:54pm

re: #952 reine.de.tout

Jorline, hello! Long time no see.
How are you? Healthy? Pain-free I hope?

{reine}

I've been so busy lately and haven't been able to visit as often as I would like. I'm hanging in there wealth wise...thank you. I should be starting a new treatment by mid month.

How's everything on your end?

979 Digital Display  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 4:54:09pm

re: #948 realwest

Hey y'all - is someone talking about Obama giving a vote of confidence to Israel the way Bush has done?!
I wouldn't hold my breath on that!

Hi RW! Coming around full circle for cigars for me..
Remember this last summer when i told the story about how me and som buddies drove up to Winsor for the weekend and snuck a bunch of cuban cigars home?
I thought it was a funny story..how nervous we were..
And that one poster just freaked out about I was just the worst person in the world and should be locked up and went on and on?
And I just kept egging them on...I'd go' you do realize we all split a cigar in line' Head explode!
and that was funny stuff

980 [deleted]  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 4:54:17pm
981 Outrider  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 4:54:28pm

re: #943 Wishing

Someone

'Splain these

Please?

the narrative makes the statement, "At least 24 Palestinians, mostly civilians, were killed, according to Palestinian medical sources." How many of the Gazans would be in uniform besides their police? What kind of uniform do these "Rocketeers" have? What a silly-assed remark to make to a reporter who of course eats it up and posts it.

982 MandyManners  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 4:54:42pm

I know Al Franken and Bob Franken (reporter formerly with CNN and MSNBC) are cousins but, how closely are they related?

983 jorline  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 4:55:10pm

re: #965 realwest

Hey jorline, how are ya doing tonight?

Hey, RW...how are you tonight? I'm well...thanks my friend.

984 realwest  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 4:55:32pm

re: #962 reine.de.tout
Hey reine! I've seen lots of live "Palestinian Women" -usually bragging about how they sent their only daughter off with a suicide belt to blow up some Israeli Pizzeria, though.
It's just a sickness that the "Palestinian" people have; they DO worship Death more than they love life. Period.

985 albusteve  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 4:56:09pm

re: #958 Iron Fist

Even in death, the Palestinians serve the Jihad. And everyone in Gaza is a "civillian" in the mind of the AP. Even if they just got through firing a mortar at Israel.

true...but I'm repulsed by dead baby pictures, dead baby jokes, dead baby links and almost all refereces to dead babies regardless if they are Israeli or Pali....we know that score....

986 [deleted]  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 4:56:11pm
987 [deleted]  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 4:56:12pm
988 lawhawk  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 4:56:42pm

re: #981 Outrider

It's been reported also that Hamas leaders told their minions to put away the uniforms and blend in, to maximize the carnage. Hamas leaders, heroic statements made courtesy of videos from undisclosed locations, call for the death of Israel, and don't mind the destruction of Gaza one bit, especially when they're doing so from the comfort of a residence in Damascus.

989 Bob Dillon  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 4:57:05pm

Meanwhile, back at the ranch ...

Fox News just showed footage of Code Pink protesting outside the Hay-Adams hotel in DC where Obama is staying, demanding that he condemn Israel.

Fox also reported that Code Pink plans to be there every day until the end of Obama's stay. No link yet.

990 Spare O'Lake  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 4:57:39pm

re: #958 Iron Fist

Even in death, the Palestinians serve the Jihad. And everyone in Gaza is a "civillian" in the mind of the AP. Even if they just got through firing a mortar at Israel.

And in Israel everyone is a soldier.

991 [deleted]  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 4:57:59pm
992 Nevergiveup  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 4:58:30pm

re: #989 Bobibutu

Meanwhile, back at the ranch ...

Fox News just showed footage of Code Pink protesting outside the Hay-Adams hotel in DC where Obama is staying, demanding that he condemn Israel.

Fox also reported that Code Pink plans to be there every day until the end of Obama's stay. No link yet.

Gee I bet the Hotel is happy about that?

993 realwest  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 4:58:43pm

re: #983 jorline
Glad to hear that my friend. I'm ok, but am seeing oncologist again tomorrow for more tests and then he's gonna call me Tuesday to tell me those results and, no doubt, schedule more tests.
I swear - even though I've danced this dance of "bad news" for the last year I still get tense as hell about it and this time (I get these tests every three months and the last 5 tests have come back progressively worse) I'm more tense cause I've either lost a lot of weight I wasn't trying to lose or my jeans are gettng bigger in the waist! LOL!

994 MandyManners  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 4:59:08pm

re: #989 Bobibutu

Meanwhile, back at the ranch ...

Fox News just showed footage of Code Pink protesting outside the Hay-Adams hotel in DC where Obama is staying, demanding that he condemn Israel.

Fox also reported that Code Pink plans to be there every day until the end of Obama's stay. No link yet.

I hope his little girls have a good day at school tomorrow.

995 Wishing  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 4:59:31pm

Jodie Evans, co-founder of the very serious but also very playful women's peace group CODEPINK ([Link: www.codepink4peace.org...] was likewise "disgusted that Obama didn't make a statement. He's had an opinion about everything else. This is an atrocity and if he doesn't call it an atrocity, it's shameful." He should "use his place of leadership to clarify things." Evans said that CODEPINK is "outraged" by the assault on Gaza, which is the "result of the violation of human rights for far too long", and will be delivering a petition to Secretary of State Condoleeza Rice next week.

CODEPINKO

996 ArmyWife  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 4:59:33pm

re: #989 Bobibutu

Speaking of silliness, did Cindy sell that Crawford property?

997 albusteve  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 4:59:38pm

re: #987 Iron Fist

I am afraid that you are right. The indoctrination starts when they are so very young, and it is so pervasive that I doubt you could ever deprogram enough to get them away from the Death Cult. It is a sad situation, but it is the situation we have. You fight the war you're given, not the war that you wish it would be.

nothing ventured nothing gained...they have to try...imo....Israel cannot fold their hand this time...too much is at stake....maybe all for nothing but think positive

998 summergurl  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 5:00:15pm

re: #989 Bobibutu

Meanwhile, back at the ranch ...

Fox News just showed footage of Code Pink protesting outside the Hay-Adams hotel in DC where Obama is staying, demanding that he condemn Israel.

Fox also reported that Code Pink plans to be there every day until the end of Obama's stay. No link yet.

The piper have come to collect their pay. You woo and win the loony left they expect something in return

999 realwest  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 5:00:18pm

re: #979 HoosierHoops
Hey Hoops - sorry, I don't understand - didja get another box of Cuban cigars and do the same song and dance routine with the same poster?!?

1000 [deleted]  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 5:00:30pm
1001 Nevergiveup  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 5:00:53pm

re: #996 ArmyWife

Speaking of silliness, did Cindy sell that Crawford property?

I think so

1002 Wishing  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 5:01:24pm

Activists Letter to Obama

hurl here

1003 albusteve  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 5:01:36pm

re: #991 buzzsawmonkey

Lure them out of hiding by giving them some burning hoops to jump through. They won't be able to resist; it's a reflex left over from their training.

ha!...good one....I have this picture in my head

1004 MandyManners  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 5:01:41pm

re: #992 Nevergiveup

Gee I bet the Hotel is happy about that?

It's D.C.. I'm sure they've seen a lot in 80 years.

1005 solomonpanting  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 5:02:23pm

re: #988 lawhawk

Hamas leaders, heroic statements made courtesy of videos from undisclosed locations, call for the death of Israel, and don't mind the destruction of Gaza one bit, especially when they're doing so from the comfort of a residence in Damascus.

If the Israelis have those Damascus coordinates, I wouldn't mind a stray missle flying in a Syrious direction.

1006 jorline  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 5:02:32pm

re: #993 realwest

Glad to hear that my friend. I'm ok, but am seeing oncologist again tomorrow for more tests and then he's gonna call me Tuesday to tell me those results and, no doubt, schedule more tests.
I swear - even though I've danced this dance of "bad news" for the last year I still get tense as hell about it and this time (I get these tests every three months and the last 5 tests have come back progressively worse) I'm more tense cause I've either lost a lot of weight I wasn't trying to lose or my jeans are gettng bigger in the waist! LOL!

I don't blame you for being tense, RW. Please let me know how your test turn out and as always your in my prayers.

1007 lawhawk  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 5:02:44pm

re: #991 buzzsawmonkey

Lure them out of hiding by giving them some burning hoops to jump through. They won't be able to resist; it's a reflex left over from their training.

Israel already tried that trick. That's how so many were caught in the first day's airstrikes. They were told to put on a parade. /

New trick? Tell hamas that there's a major shipment of weapons ready for transfer along the Philadelphi corridor. It's COD and they require signature confirmation from Haniyeh and Meshaal. /

1008 realwest  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 5:02:49pm

re: #980 buzzsawmonkey
Hey buzz! LOL! I swear, between Franken and Richardson and (maybe) Caroline Kennedy, Obama and the Dems (sounds like a Doo-Wop group!) already are the most corrupt "government" we've had in MY lifttime - 'cept maybe for Nixon. And that's MAYBE.

1009 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 5:03:27pm

re: #989 Bobibutu

Check out the mission statement on my avatar.

1010 Digital Display  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 5:03:36pm

re: #999 realwest

Hey Hoops - sorry, I don't understand - didja get another box of Cuban cigars and do the same song and dance routine with the same poster?!?

LOL
It goes full circle.. I caught my dog tear up a cigar in little tiny pieces in my den earlier in the blog...

1011 Outrider  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 5:03:46pm

re: #995 Wishing

Jodie Evans, co-founder of the very serious but also very playful women's peace group CODEPINK ([Link: www.codepink4peace.org...] was likewise "disgusted that Obama didn't make a statement. He's had an opinion about everything else. This is an atrocity and if he doesn't call it an atrocity, it's shameful." He should "use his place of leadership to clarify things." Evans said that CODEPINK is "outraged" by the assault on Gaza, which is the "result of the violation of human rights for far too long", and will be delivering a petition to Secretary of State Condoleeza Rice next week.

CODEPINKO

I prefer the [Link: www.codepinkforpeace.com...] link. it makes more sense and is far more coherent.

1012 ArmyWife  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 5:04:16pm

re: #1008 realwest

We couldn't write better fiction, could we?

I'll be thinking about you, please let us know how you are.

1013 lawhawk  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 5:04:26pm

re: #995 Wishing

Code Pink can go pound sand. Supporting terrorists over a nation under siege for years by terrorists who seek nothing less than Israel's destruction.

Let them protest to their heart's content. When all 5 of them tire, they'll find something else to complain about and the media will dutifully follow them to their next outrage.

1014 jwb7605  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 5:04:33pm

re: #993 realwest

Glad to hear that my friend. I'm ok, but am seeing oncologist again tomorrow for more tests and then he's gonna call me Tuesday to tell me those results and, no doubt, schedule more tests.
I swear - even though I've danced this dance of "bad news" for the last year I still get tense as hell about it and this time (I get these tests every three months and the last 5 tests have come back progressively worse) I'm more tense cause I've either lost a lot of weight I wasn't trying to lose or my jeans are gettng bigger in the waist! LOL!

It's none of my business, but what do you have?

1015 Bob Dillon  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 5:05:06pm

re: #996 ArmyWife

Speaking of silliness, did Cindy sell that Crawford property?

I remember something about that but didn't pay much attention.

1016 Wishing  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 5:05:11pm

re: #1009 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Check out the mission statement on my avatar.

Who, my grandfather was from near there, Kadzidlo

1017 jaunte  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 5:05:21pm

re: #996 ArmyWife

Apparently it's still there, and important peace-type things are being done:

"..the first big physical project undertaken at the site was the creation of a 40 feet-diameter labyrinth, a type of public art traditionally used as an aid to contemplation.
Situated between trees in the middle of the yard beside the house, the labyrinth is composed of large river rocks laid out in a complex pattern on a thick bed of crushed granite. It is surrounded by winding pathways and gardens filled with shrubs and a great diversity of flowering plants. A large peace symbol serves as the defining element in the unique design of our labyrinth.
At the center is a Peace Pole."


[Link: www.crawfordpeacehouse.org...]

1018 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 5:05:39pm

re: #1013 lawhawk

Wait until "Cindy Sheehan" asks to meet with him to speak about Iraq.

1019 [deleted]  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 5:05:52pm
1020 albusteve  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 5:06:09pm

re: #1012 ArmyWife

We couldn't write better fiction, could we?

I'll be thinking about you, please let us know how you are.

when one person suffers everybody else suffers a bit as well...hang in there RW...alot of folks care...

1021 Teacake!  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 5:06:10pm

Best to you Realwest!

1022 lawhawk  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 5:06:47pm

re: #993 realwest

I wish you the best of luck and a positive outcome. Dealing with docs and waiting for test results can fray the nerves of anyone. You've got lots of folks here who hope that your results work out for you. refuah shlema

1023 Bob Dillon  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 5:06:54pm

re: #994 MandyManners

I hope his little girls have a good day at school tomorrow.

Should be a safe bet.

1024 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 5:07:21pm

re: #1008 realwest

Hey buzz! LOL! I swear, between Franken and Richardson and (maybe) Caroline Kennedy, Obama and the Dems (sounds like a Doo-Wop group!) already are the most corrupt "government" we've had in MY lifttime - 'cept maybe for Nixon. And that's MAYBE.

They haven't even gotten warmed up yet, Real.

Expect all kinds of great corruption.

1025 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 5:07:26pm

re: #1013 lawhawk

Code Pink can go pound sand. Supporting terrorists over a nation under siege for years by terrorists who seek nothing less than Israel's destruction.

Let them protest to their heart's content. When all 5 of them tire, they'll find something else to complain about and the media will dutifully follow them to their next outrage.

"Daddy? Why did those ladies scream in my face?"

"Because they haven't the class to leave little girls out of politics, sweetheart."

1026 realwest  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 5:07:43pm

re: #988 lawhawk
Hey lawhawk! Yup, these Hamas "warriors" are truly cowards through and through. Not only do they not fight the IDF, as warriors facing other warriors, but they send their kids, women and the truly "committed" to blow up public place in Israel, and chuck unguided (and loaded with anti-personnel ball bearings and junk) into civilian areas of Israel.
Real tough guys.
And the bullshit MSM would know that if they'd open their damn eyes!
But of course Israel is full of *gasp* Jews and so the MSM just yawns. And I'm telling ya, I think Obama hasn't said anything because he doesn't want to contradict a sitting president. Israel needs to take out Hama's leadership and "warriors" before January 20th.

1027 jorline  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 5:08:02pm

re: #1010 HoosierHoops

LOL
It goes full circle.. I caught my dog tear up a cigar in little tiny pieces in my den earlier in the blog...

Good evening, Hoopster.

Looks like you're going to have to pull a Cheech & Chong by following your dog around the house with a baggy. Is he a labrador?

1028 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 5:08:43pm

Hope the tests give good news, RW. Pulling for you here!

1029 [deleted]  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 5:08:57pm
1030 Killgore Trout  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 5:09:36pm

My prediction: Phase 3 of Operation Cast Lead will take place in about 2-3 weeks when the Israelis withdraw from Gaza leaving a weakened Hamas and Fatah moves in for the kill. I'm starting to think this is a coordinated effort between the Israelis, Egyptians and Fatah.
Is my tinfoil hat too tight?

1031 Wishing  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 5:10:27pm

re: #1030 Killgore Trout

My prediction: Phase 3 of Operation Cast Lead will take place in about 2-3 weeks when the Israelis withdraw from Gaza leaving a weakened Hamas and Fatah moves in for the kill. I'm starting to think this is a coordinated effort between the Israelis, Egyptians and Fatah.
Is my tinfoil hat too tight?

Nope, I even read that somewhere over the last week. And for sure Tzipi was in Egypt last week.

1032 realwest  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 5:10:52pm

re: #998 summergurl
True and Obama has let down a lot of his "Hope and Change" supporters already by almost exclusively putting inside the beltway old-timers (from Clinton and Carter admins - hell, even Hillary herself) and I'm afraid he's gonna try to placate them with Israel.
Shit.

1033 Nevergiveup  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 5:11:09pm

re: #1030 Killgore Trout

My prediction: Phase 3 of Operation Cast Lead will take place in about 2-3 weeks when the Israelis withdraw from Gaza leaving a weakened Hamas and Fatah moves in for the kill. I'm starting to think this is a coordinated effort between the Israelis, Egyptians and Fatah.
Is my tinfoil hat too tight?

If that's true, I just hope Israel took out partnership insurance.

1034 albusteve  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 5:11:14pm

re: #1027 jorline

Good evening, Hoopster.

Looks like you're going to have to pull a Cheech & Chong by following your dog around the house with a baggy. Is he a labrador?

probably...I had a Lab once that used to eat my asphalt driveway...unstoppable

1035 Teacake!  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 5:11:21pm

Either hamas took a little break during the election so as not to ruin obamas chances or the media decided to pay no attention, it sure seemed quiet over there during the election process.

Guess George have a thumbs up to get as much done as possible until....

1036 Killgore Trout  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 5:11:23pm

re: #1031 Wishing

Follow up question: Will it work?

1037 Truck Monkey  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 5:11:31pm

re: #1029 buzzsawmonkey

BTW, I noticed someone mentioning a while back that Hanan Ashrawi had popped up again.

She's been backburnered for years, but the "Palestinians" always trot her out when they want to get Western feminists on board. Ashrawi is the Birnam Wood that the "Palestinians" use to disguise the fact, when dealing with the West, that they are just as misogynist as any other Muslim group.

She is quite the spokestool as well. She had product in her hair and Lipstick. Real dolled up. She would be killed for looking like that in most of the muslim middle east.

1038 Bob Dillon  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 5:11:34pm

re: #998 summergurl

The piper have come to collect their pay. You woo and win the loony left they expect something in return

He's damned if he does and if he doesn't.

Popcorn futures will go limit up in the morning.

1039 Wishing  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 5:12:16pm

re: #1036 Killgore Trout

Follow up question: Will it work?

Well now, isn't that the 60000 dollar question!

1040 jwb7605  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 5:12:27pm

re: #1030 Killgore Trout

My prediction: Phase 3 of Operation Cast Lead will take place in about 2-3 weeks when the Israelis withdraw from Gaza leaving a weakened Hamas and Fatah moves in for the kill. I'm starting to think this is a coordinated effort between the Israelis, Egyptians and Fatah.
Is my tinfoil hat too tight?

see comment 224.

1041 albusteve  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 5:12:31pm

re: #1030 Killgore Trout

My prediction: Phase 3 of Operation Cast Lead will take place in about 2-3 weeks when the Israelis withdraw from Gaza leaving a weakened Hamas and Fatah moves in for the kill. I'm starting to think this is a coordinated effort between the Israelis, Egyptians and Fatah.
Is my tinfoil hat too tight?

I hope so...Fatah is poison...

1042 jorline  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 5:12:37pm

re: #1034 albusteve

probably...I had a Lab once that used to eat my asphalt driveway...unstoppable

lmao...did he deposit you a new driveway?

1043 Teacake!  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 5:12:49pm

Doesn't IDF give a several hour or full day warning for civilians to leave the area before they bomb?

1044 jaunte  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 5:12:58pm

re: #1029 buzzsawmonkey

Hanan Ashrawi was being interviewed by Geraldo last night, and ran quickly through most of the conventional arguments in favor of Israel not taking any action against Hamas. The one that really stood out as a stretch was that the West should respect 'democracy' by stopping Israel, because the people of Gaza had voted for Hamas.

1045 TaeJohnDo  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 5:13:18pm

re: #1030 Killgore Trout

My prediction: Phase 3 of Operation Cast Lead will take place in about 2-3 weeks when the Israelis withdraw from Gaza leaving a weakened Hamas and Fatah moves in for the kill. I'm starting to think this is a coordinated effort between the Israelis, Egyptians and Fatah.
Is my tinfoil hat too tight?

I think it is possible, and if they did it right, this is a good thing.

1046 Muadib  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 5:13:54pm

re: #1002 Wishing

Activists Letter to Obama

hurl here

Hurl! A letter from activist idiots, to absolute idiots.

1047 Bob Dillon  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 5:13:55pm

re: #1017 jaunte

Apparently it's still there, and important peace-type things are being done:


[Link: www.crawfordpeacehouse.org...]

Just too funny.

1048 reine.de.tout  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 5:13:56pm

re: #978 jorline

{reine}

I've been so busy lately and haven't been able to visit as often as I would like. I'm hanging in there wealth wise...thank you. I should be starting a new treatment by mid month.

How's everything on your end?

Going well. Glad to hear you're hanging in there. also, glad to hear you've been busy, I assume that means business is good!

1049 Killgore Trout  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 5:14:28pm

re: #1040 jwb7605

That's pretty close but I don't think the Egyptians are going to get involved publicly. In reality they want nothing to do with Gaza but I suspect they're helping with intell.

1050 jaunte  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 5:14:57pm

re: #1047 Bobibutu

I pictured some of them getting lost in the 40 foot diameter maze.

1051 [deleted]  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 5:15:15pm
1052 Kragar  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 5:15:49pm

re: #1044 jaunte

Hanan Ashrawi was being interviewed by Geraldo last night, and ran quickly through most of the conventional arguments in favor of Israel not taking any action against Hamas. The one that really stood out as a stretch was that the West should respect 'democracy' by stopping Israel, because the people of Gaza had voted for Hamas.

The Middle East should respect democracy by letting the Palis suffer for what they voted for.

1053 realwest  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 5:15:54pm

re: #1006 jorline
and
re: #1012 ArmyWife
and
re: #1028 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)
Thank you all very much - all prayers and good wishes gratefully accepted!

re: #1014 jwb7605
I have metastasizing Prostate Cancer.

1054 Teacake!  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 5:15:59pm

I heard her on the radio news saying innocent people are being punished for accidentally voting for hamas... something to the effect that they were just shocked hamas wasn't going to help build the state and still go after Israel. lol

1055 albusteve  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 5:16:10pm

re: #1042 jorline

lmao...did he deposit you a new driveway?

she...it was awful and somewhat embarrassing... people would look out there and ask "what's she got?"....ah part of the basketball court looks like....her teeth were worn down to stubs by maybe 8 yrs old....that dog would eat virtually anything she could get in her mouth...

1056 jaunte  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 5:16:23pm

re: #1051 buzzsawmonkey

Absolutely. It was weird because she was throwing these bizarre arguments out, and Geraldo just stood there nodding like a bobblehead.

1057 DisturbedEma  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 5:16:32pm

re: #1032 realwest

True and Obama has let down a lot of his "Hope and Change" supporters already by almost exclusively putting inside the beltway old-timers (from Clinton and Carter admins - hell, even Hillary herself) and I'm afraid he's gonna try to placate them with Israel.
Shit.

I am torn. . .if he does, he will stand to lose a huge part of his democratic base, G-d willing, but with the total refusal of so many of us Jews to vote any other way. . .maybe a few more thousand Jews dead will not matter over the course of 4 years. . .

BUT if he does come out against Israel, it will be very easy to see where the GOP will look to woo new voters in '12. . .

I wish McCain had won. . .sigh

1058 [deleted]  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 5:17:23pm
1059 Nevergiveup  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 5:17:25pm

re: #1056 jaunte

Absolutely. It was weird because she was throwing these bizarre arguments out, and Geraldo just stood there nodding like a bobblehead.

Well he is a bobblehead after all?

1060 realwest  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 5:17:28pm

Woops, Mom just called out dinner, so I gotta go!
I hope you all have a great night, that the IDF keeps killing those Hamas "warriors" at a truly record pace and continues to take back Gaza and that I get the chance to see you all down the road!

1061 Sheila Broflovski  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 5:17:41pm

re: #1011 Outrider

I prefer the [Link: www.codepinkforpeace.com...] link. it makes more sense and is far more coherent.

Heh.

1062 DisturbedEma  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 5:17:55pm

re: #1052 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

The Middle East should respect democracy by letting the Palis suffer for what they voted for.

Yeah, we will be. . .goose...meet gander

1063 albusteve  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 5:17:55pm

re: #1049 Killgore Trout

That's pretty close but I don't think the Egyptians are going to get involved publicly. In reality they want nothing to do with Gaza but I suspect they're helping with intell.

Israel should cram the situation down their throats....intel is not enough now...and slam the media as well...

1064 Spare O'Lake  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 5:18:34pm
1065 reine.de.tout  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 5:19:22pm

re: #1064 Spare O'Lake

Hanan Ashrawi

Link forbidden. To me anyhow.

1066 stevieray  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 5:19:39pm

re: #1064 Spare O'Lake

Hanan Ashrawi

Forbidden.

1067 DisturbedEma  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 5:19:39pm

re: #1058 buzzsawmonkey

BTW, Ashrawi is a Fatah body, not a Hamas body--or was.

Thus, her solidarity with Hamas shows--if anyone needed showing--that the ultimate goal of Fatah and Hamas is the same; the destruction of Israel. And, given that Hamas has murdered any number of Fatah supporters, it shows what a complete whore for power Ashrawi is.

She had better hope and pray her useful idiotness lasts. . .no use for a dried up Hamas/Fatah hag. . .right?

1068 Bob Dillon  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 5:19:46pm

re: #1050 jaunte

I pictured some of them getting lost in the 40 foot diameter maze.

I can't imagine this thing actually making any money either.

1069 jorline  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 5:20:03pm

re: #1048 reine.de.tout

Going well. Glad to hear you're hanging in there. also, glad to hear you've been busy, I assume that means business is good!

Business has been very good. Still praying we can keep ahead of the curve. Sales are up and so are cost...lol

1070 swamprat  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 5:20:47pm

re: #975 Wishing

Muslims pray by kneeling, and touching their heads to the ground.
This is a prayer service in honor/mourning/respect of the dead.

1071 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 5:21:06pm

re: #1053 realwest

RW,

I'll give you the one thing I've picked up about cancer in the past few years, do with it what you will.

Cancer cells can only metabolize glucose, they (unlike us) can't live on lipids. As a result, you can slow or stop cancer growth by denying it food... a strict ketosis diet can help a lot.

Docs love to hook you up to a big bag of glucose the instant they have you under their control... this may very well be the worst possible thing to do.

I'm not a doc, so I can't give medical advice, but this is what I will do the day I'm diagnosed... 100% Keto diet.

Thinking of you, you old war horse.

1072 [deleted]  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 5:21:39pm
1073 MittDoesNotCompute  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 5:21:58pm

re: #989 Bobibutu

Meanwhile, back at the ranch ...

Fox News just showed footage of Code Pink protesting outside the Hay-Adams hotel in DC where Obama is staying, demanding that he condemn Israel.

Fox also reported that Code Pink plans to be there every day until the end of Obama's stay. No link yet.

It's so delicious that Dear Leader now has to put up with the loony lefty nutbags protesting him and his policy positions (especially since he's not even been sworn in as President yet) that President Bush and his administration have been having to deal with for almost eight years now...what's even better is that the loony left feels they are getting shafted out of their inferred quid per quo helping Dear Leader get elected President.

1074 jorline  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 5:23:24pm

re: #1055 albusteve

she...it was awful and somewhat embarrassing... people would look out there and ask "what's she got?"....ah part of the basketball court looks like....her teeth were worn down to stubs by maybe 8 yrs old....that dog would eat virtually anything she could get in her mouth...

You should have volunteered her for the Obama campaign...plenty to eat there...lol

1075 Spare O'Lake  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 5:24:40pm
1076 [deleted]  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 5:24:58pm
1077 [deleted]  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 5:25:37pm
1078 [deleted]  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 5:27:00pm
1079 summergurl  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 5:27:13pm

re: #1030 Killgore Trout

My prediction: Phase 3 of Operation Cast Lead will take place in about 2-3 weeks when the Israelis withdraw from Gaza leaving a weakened Hamas and Fatah moves in for the kill. I'm starting to think this is a coordinated effort between the Israelis, Egyptians and Fatah.
Is my tinfoil hat too tight?

I said that a couple of days ago---

to be exact --

A thought here - Israel could "occupy" Gaza with the permission of Fatah to ensure the complete removal (as much as one can), of Hamas. To have an alliance between Fatah and Israel to render Hamas impotent in Gaza would be tremendous

My tin foil hat is looking a little less tin foil-ish right now

1080 Dustyvet  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 5:27:48pm

re: #1032 realwest

True and Obama has let down a lot of his "Hope and Change" supporters already by almost exclusively putting inside the beltway old-timers (from Clinton and Carter admins - hell, even Hillary herself) and I'm afraid he's gonna try to placate them with Israel.
Shit.

I've had this feeling that Hope and Change was nothing more then a "dog and pony show" from day one.

1081 jwb7605  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 5:28:38pm

re: #1049 Killgore Trout

That's pretty close but I don't think the Egyptians are going to get involved publicly. In reality they want nothing to do with Gaza but I suspect they're helping with intell.


key point.
the other question is Jordan.

1082 Outrider  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 5:29:03pm

re: #1034 albusteve

probably...I had a Lab once that used to eat my asphalt driveway...unstoppable

they can eat the damnedest things. I had a 125 lb cur that reduced a cinder block to rubble. She ate my electric razor (back in the time when I actually shaved). One time she chewed open and ate an entire bottle of 2 stroke engine oil. No harm-just cleaned her out slicker than a whistle. Goes without saying she chewed sheetrock and ate it. Lived for about 15years-pretty good for a large dog.

1083 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 5:29:56pm

re: #1080 Dustyvet

I've had this feeling that Hope and Change was nothing more then a "dog and pony show" from day one.

Ding...ding...ding we have a winnah!

Hope and Change was a means of selling a blank slate candidate to the "less realistic" (toned down from "morons") among us.

1084 jwb7605  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 5:30:46pm

re: #1053 realwest

and
re: #1012 ArmyWife
and
re: #1028 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)
Thank you all very much - all prayers and good wishes gratefully accepted!

re: #1014 jwb7605
I have metastasizing Prostate Cancer.

Sucks.
Would you mind if I included you in prayer? I'm not Christian.

1085 aaron  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 5:37:03pm

For what it's worth, the video is still online here:

[Link: switch3.castup.net...]

via a link from the Ministry of Foreign Affairs site (www.mfa.gov.il).

1086 So?  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 5:40:24pm

A de-stressor break.

1087 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 5:40:57pm

In case somebody cares?

I was 1-3 this weekend.

1 better than the wife.

She went to bed at 7:45.

Had headache.

1088 DisturbedEma  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 5:41:02pm

re: #1073 talon_262

It's so delicious that Dear Leader now has to put up with the loony lefty nutbags protesting him and his policy positions (especially since he's not even been sworn in as President yet) that President Bush and his administration have been having to deal with for almost eight years now...what's even better is that the loony left feels they are getting shafted out of their inferred quid per quo helping Dear Leader get elected President.


delicious!

1089 DisturbedEma  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 5:43:22pm

re: #1078 buzzsawmonkey

I applaud the Jews who vote that way; their single-minded dedication to destroying the stereotype of Jewish intelligence is nothing short of breathtaking.

/

So damn true it hurts. . .

1090 Arby Dwiar  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 5:45:32pm

re: #1073 talon_262

It's so delicious that Dear Leader now has to put up with the loony lefty nutbags protesting him and his policy positions (especially since he's not even been sworn in as President yet) that President Bush and his administration have been having to deal with for almost eight years now...what's even better is that the loony left feels they are getting shafted out of their inferred quid per quo helping Dear Leader get elected President.

I just ordered more popcorn (with that fake "butter flavoring" that's not supposed to be good for you) along with more easy chairs...

"Be careful what you hope for...!"

1091 yochanan  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 5:51:11pm

שאלו, שלום ירושלם

peace yes not appeasement or defeat.

1092 DisturbedEma  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 5:54:30pm

re: #1091 yochanan

שאלו, שלום ירושלם

peace yes not appeasement or defeat.

Absolutely!

1093 DisturbedEma  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 5:59:58pm

re: #1090 Arby Dwiar

I just ordered more popcorn (with that fake "butter flavoring" that's not supposed to be good for you) along with more easy chairs...

"Be careful what you hope for...!"


No such thing as pleasing all of the people all of the time. . .

1094 conrad  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 6:21:02pm

re: #1085 aaron

Thanks Aaron! I appreciated the ability to finally see this video.

BTW, I went back to the HuffPo link given at the beginning of this thread and found the comments to be even more disturbing, more twisted, and full of more lies than before. They have dug down so low that their beginning to hit magma!

1095 Elcid  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 6:28:33pm

re: #815 Wishing

El Cid, if you are still around, can you repost that dirt bag, ron paul?

Maybe a tad late...But...Ron Paul

1096 Elcid  Sun, Jan 4, 2009 6:34:28pm

This woman is a REAL nutbag....

Israel,Palestine,gaza. untold Reality-Facts and figures Part1

I'm all for womanhood, trust me. Were I married to this one, I'd rather do time in Super Max...ANYWHERE!

1097 Cdat88  Mon, Jan 5, 2009 4:32:28am

re: #1083 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

Ding...ding...ding we have a winnah!

Hope and Change was a means of selling a blank slate candidate to the "less realistic" (toned down from "morons") among us.

Dems/Looney Left, you have been pwned!

1098 ReneeJoy  Mon, Jan 5, 2009 5:40:25am

re: #1085 aaron

Came here to post that link - you saved me the trouble. Thanks!

1099 Dekar  Tue, Jan 6, 2009 3:17:40pm

The video is back, but there's a different cover voice now


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