Go IDF!

It's too bad they ( the IDF ) need to defend themselves at all in the public eye , since they are in the right.

I believe the IDF needs pizza

Wonderful video.

I will not be silent. I will not stand by as the media slanders Israel's actions to defend itself. No one should.

Israel can and must do these kinds of media presentations to show that they are in the right - and have been for years. Israel's succumbed to media malevolence for far too long, and the terrorists and Islamists have repeatedly taken advantage of Israel's stunning naivete over the media/propaganda component to fighting the long war. Israel's efforts in the Hizbullah suffered because they failed to take into account the media component, where Hizbullah stage managed the conflict to maximize the effect against Israel, even as Hizbullah fired thousands of rockets into Israel. That, combined with Israel's dithering leadership, led to the disastrous results that Israel deals with now.

It's about time.

Reading Charles lead-in:

This is a good presentation by the IDF on the background and history of the current conflict in Gaza. Some people will no doubt label this as “propaganda,” and in the sense that it’s intended to promote Israel’s point of view, that’s correct — but there’s nothing inaccurate or dishonest here, just a simple summation of the facts about the militant Islamic terrorists who seized power in Gaza after the disengagement.

That's why I like this site.
That also invites some other blogs to say something like "LGF is promoting propaganda on their hate site".

I'm sure they'll do just that, having seen a previous thread this morning.
The difference in Charles' wording is subtle and requires real thought.

Hamas Violent Putch

Putch is German, iirc, meaning attempted takeover or coup.

In one sense this is history.

In another sense it is proof that those of us who warned of the horrific consequence of surrendering Gaza to the barbarians were prophetic.

Any professional will tell you that honest information is the most effective propaganda. The create a wall of lies method used by Hamas and its agents in al Jazeera, may under controlled conditions, produce a tactical advantage, but unless you only care about a specific result with a short time horizon it is usually bad policy. For example the slandering of Palin was only effective because no one would care about the truth after November 5th.

Once again, deaf people are being ignored. Someone please have this subtitled!

PIMF: Putsch

re: #5 lawhawk

I will not stand by as the media slanders Israel's actions to defend itself.

The MSM is using its usual spin of "disproportionate response", etc but the propaganda effort this time is really weak.

I just came across the gem at Huff Post..."There is a new name for America . Its called the Jewnited States of America.....There is starting a huge backlash in America against them because people are finally waking up. Same as the germans did in the 30's." Please note that comment was approved by a moderator. There is some serious craziness going around. [Link: www.huffingtonpost.com...]

Compare that to this:

Watched the video: if it were truly propaganda, they would have mentioned what was done to Gilad Shalit. Someone without background would think he was just kidnapped.

Do you think for one second Hamas would pass up a propaganda opportunity like that?

re: #10 Broomer

Once again, deaf people are being ignored. Someone please have this subtitled!

Israel is defending her people, pali's suck, no such thing as civilians in gaza.
End of story.

re: #13 MrPaulRevere
Huffpo comment....

There is a new name for America . Its called the Jewnited States of America.

They control the media, the FED, most of the banks, always have a few in presidential admins including the upcoming one and control the entertainment industry.

There is starting a huge backlash in America against them because people are finally waking up. Same as the germans did in the 30's.

Yikes!

re: #5 lawhawk

I will not be silent. I will not stand by as the media slanders Israel's actions to defend itself. No one should.

Israel can and must do these kinds of media presentations to show that they are in the right - and have been for years.

It's disproportionate.

Israel has Youtube

The Barbarians have CNN 24/7 and the rest of their repulsive ilk.

re: #13 MrPaulRevere

I just came across the gem at Huff Post..."There is a new name for America . Its called the Jewnited States of America.....There is starting a huge backlash in America against them because people are finally waking up. Same as the germans did in the 30's." Please note that comment was approved by a moderator. There is some serious craziness going around. [Link: www.huffingtonpost.com...]

Good GRIEF!

re: #7 abolitionist

Hamas Violent Putch

Putch is German, iirc, meaning attempted takeover or coup.

I'd call it the Palestinian civil war, but thats a minor quibble. It was a fight for control over territory and a dispute over the fact that Fatah wasn't sufficiently violent enough in its ongoing war against Israel.

re: #13 MrPaulRevere

I just came across the gem at Huff Post..."There is a new name for America . Its called the Jewnited States of America.....There is starting a huge backlash in America against them because people are finally waking up. Same as the germans did in the 30's." Please note that comment was approved by a moderator. There is some serious craziness going around. [Link: www.huffingtonpost.com...]

pat buchanan's posting at huffpoo?

No apologies necessary. The media and street thugs are operating in force. The truth is a wonderful antiseptic.

I would encourage everyone to send the soldiers care packages. Here are a couple of resources:

Dash Cham
IDF Pizza

The Hebrew word for "propaganda" is "hasbarah" which literally means "explanation."

re: #13 MrPaulRevere

How do you know that comment was approved by a moderator?

I'm not disagreeing with you -- I'm just asking, because I don't spend enough time at HuffPo to understand whether or how their comments get approved by a moderator.

re: #18 Opinionated

It's disproportionate.

Israel has Youtube

The Barbarians have CNN 24/7 and the rest of their repulsive ilk.

Boy, do they ever!
I switched to CNn because they were doing more raw coverage the other day.
But by day before yesterday they had their propaganda machine up and running full bore.
Today they are unwatchable.

Is Hamas using ambulances again?
Paramedic killed as shell hits ambulance

Hamas moves on Fatah 'collaborators'

Fatah officials in Ramallah told The Jerusalem Post that Hamas militiamen had been assaulting many Fatah activists since the beginning of the operation last Saturday. They said at least 75 activists were shot in the legs while others had their hands broken.

Wisam Abu Jalhoum, a Fatah activist from the Jabalya refugee camp, was shot in the legs by Hamas militiamen for allegedly expressing joy over the IDF air strikes on Hamas targets.

"Hamas is very nervous, because they feel that their end is nearing," a senior Fatah official said. "They have been waging a brutal campaign against Fatah members in the Gaza Strip."

/red on red

Nicely done video and as was stated, propaganda based on truth is much more effective then the crap coming from Hamas.

In 2005 and at considerable cost and inner moral destabilization they, Israel, pulled out all citizens in an effort for peace. Turned the land over to the Palestinians. Then rockets fired down upon Israel from then on from the Palestinians from the land that was turned over. Finally after thousands of rockets and years of restraint they are acting.

Regardless of any previous events, to anyone intellectually honest enough to have a legitimate synapse of cognitive reasoning skills and a microbe of thought higher than the chimpanzee this should make them realize who is justified and correct. Israel is justified and correct.

Then, taking that same intellectual honesty, looking at those 'previous events', Israel is STILL justified.

/rant off.

re: #26 Killgore Trout

Is Hamas using ambulances again?
Paramedic killed as shell hits ambulance

What do you mean "again"....that is SOP for those guys....use ambulances to move weapons and fighters around. Use hospitals, schools, mosques as weapons depots and command and control centers. Oh the "Brave" Jidhadis! Your courage is only equaled by your fighting skills

[Link: news.yahoo.com...]

Interesting picture- was the funeral held in the bathroom?

re: #26 Killgore Trout

Is Hamas using ambulances again?
Paramedic killed as shell hits ambulance

Who knows? Oxfam is a virulently anti-Israel political group, which also does some charitable activities. We've seen the International Red Cross flat-out lie about their ambulances supposedly being hit by the IDF. Oxfam is a lot more anti-Israel than the Red Cross, so their reports are certainly not to be trusted.

re: #31 Sharmuta

I think they took away her teddy bear to place it on the rubble.

I don't think Christiana Amanpour would like this clip. She is calling the IDF attacks "disproportionate".

re: #31 Sharmuta

[Link: news.yahoo.com...]

Interesting picture- was the funeral held in the bathroom?

Yes, and afterwards they all gathered round and flushed their dearly departed Mouse, farfur

re: #24 Last Mohican
Comment posting policy, cut and pasted directly from the site:
Want to reply to a comment? Hint: Click "Reply" at the bottom of the comment; after being approved your comment will appear directly underneath the comment you replied to

re: #31 Sharmuta

I wondered about that. "Here's a picture of a girl crying. We say she's at a funeral, and that the Jews killed her relative."

From following the MSM it would appear the Israeli actions come out of nowhere ?!? With the peace loving Hamas freedom fighter brutally put upon.

Why are the leftie moonbats so stupid ? What is wrong with these people ?

re: #13 MrPaulRevere
There is starting a huge backlash in America against them because people are finally waking up. Same as the germans did in the 30's."

This guy needs to read up on his history. The Germans, in the 30's, were about to start something that would bring untold misery to their own people. (Yes, I know, and everyone else, I'm just trying to point out what he had not considered.)

re: #31 Sharmuta

Maybe. Maybe it's not a funeral at all, and she's just crying because she doesn't want to brush her teeth and go to bed. AP has a well-established history of promulgating what it knows to be absolute lies in attacking Israel. So once again, I guess we'll never know what was really happening in that picture.

re: #31 Sharmuta

[Link: news.yahoo.com...]

Interesting picture- was the funeral held in the bathroom?

I feel for that kid.....that little life will probably not know what it;s like to live in a normal place...Those tears are courtesy of 60 years of victimhood perpetuated by the misguided, carried out by the evil.

re: #35 Shug

Yes, and afterwards they all gathered round and flushed their dearly departed Mouse, farfur

You're terrible! Plus 1 for you.

Want to see subtle CNN bias.

Here Mayor Michael Bloomberg on CNN from Tel Aviv making a very good case for Israel.

But he very soon has to compete for attention, in a split screen, with scenes of Israeli attacks.

His message diluted by the visuals which have no other possible purpose.

Normally, visuals would be used to buttress what the speaker is saying. In this case it would residents of Sderot running for shelter.

But no, the victims are only the Arabs and the subliminal message is that supporters of Israel are not to be believed.

[Link: www.thehopeforamerica.com...]

Another gem, courtesy of Newsweek. Is peace in the Middle East hopeless?

Can anyone here remember when there was peace in the Middle East? Anyone?

But that's not the stunningly naive part. This is:

Wishful thinking? Probably. After so many failed attempts, the phrase "peace process" has little meaning. Olmert's own motives in Gaza may have as much to do with domestic politics as foreign policy. Badly weakened and facing possible corruption charges, he has been grasping to rescue his tarnished legacy. But the fact that Olmert wants to negotiate, and that Abbas wants to negotiate, underscores the stubborn, maddening fact about the Israeli-Palestinian relationship: there is only one path to peace, and both sides know what it is—and yet neither side has been willing to take it. The violence, the bombings, the threats and counterthreats are all the more exhausting and senseless because they are, essentially, an elaborate delaying tactic. The broad contours of a peace were laid out eight years ago when President Bill Clinton brought the two sides together at Camp David and tried to broker a historic deal. The current Olmert "shelf plan" is remarkably similar to the Clinton parameters: a two-state solution in which Israelis and Palestinians make painful compromises on the core issues of territory, security, Jerusalem and Palestinian refugees. The 2000 talks collapsed partly because time ran out on Clinton's term and partly because neither side had the political clout to sell the deal back home. Bush, fixated on Iraq and terror, has paid little mind to the conflict until recently.

The contours of peace are laid out in defeating Hamas and Israel winning. Anything else will find Israel aflame as a result of incessant attacks. The Palestinians have a three state solution already in hand; Gaza, West Bank, and Israel. Hamas controls Gaza, but wants Israel and the West Bank. Fatah controls the West Bank and is seemingly content in that, although some of the more fanatical elements want all of Israel for itself.

Israel just wants to be left alone.

So, you've got three sides - only one of which actually wants peace. Only one side, Israel, makes concessions that threaten its security. Only one side is forced to make concessions by UN, world leaders, and human rights groups, all while ignoring the depravities and ultimate goals of the likes of Hamas.

If there is to be peace, it must be born of Israel's defeat of Hamas.

Further, the peace between Israel and Egypt was born of the Israeli victory in the 1973 war, despite Egypt and Syria attacking Israel on the holiest day of the Jewish calendar and Israel chose not to preempt its enemies again. Israel nearly was overrun in the first few days of that war, but turned things around in stunning fashion to the point where it could have marched on Damascus and Cairo unopposed. Egypt's armies were thoroughly defeated and surrounded. It was the UN that ultimately pulled the plug, but Sadat knew then that Israel would not be defeated in war. That's why he made the trip to Jerusalem and extended the olive branch. Israel's victory, combined with Sadat's personal sacrifices led to peace - however cold it is.

Forced "peace" is not peace. A hudna where Israel succumbs to hundreds of kassam attacks is not peace. It is war. Israel is only now showing what war means.

Let's hope that Israel remembers what victory means too.

re: #36 MrPaulRevere

Well, that would certainly seem to settle that. Thanks for the copy-and-paste.

re: #26 Killgore Trout

Is Hamas using ambulances again?
Paramedic killed as shell hits ambulance

And we know this was caused by Israeli ordnance how? ( I mean other than the word of al-Reuters. Their word means about as much as a bucket of warm spit.)

re: #26 Killgore Trout

Is Hamas using ambulances again?
Paramedic killed as shell hits ambulance

I would LOVE to see a picture of the ambulance. 2 bucks says it is the exact same one as the last ambulance propaganda hit piece.

but but but... the poor Palestinians are just looking for food.

to hell with the the corrupt insane leadership in Iran. To hell with the death cults.

Just watched the whole video.

Pretty good. I'd give it a B+.

Every word was true. But they could have been harder hitting. They didn't sufficiently describe how horrible Hamas really is.

re: #26 Killgore Trout

Is Hamas using ambulances again?
Paramedic killed as shell hits ambulance

In Beit Lahiya?
What on earth were they doing there after the IDF incusion?
That's way in the north of Gaza.

re: #26 Killgore Trout

I saw that in the daylife/getty images, and thought the same thing. No way to tell what happened in that incident. Expect the Palestinians to complain, whine and seethe that Israel attacked ambulances. Hope that the IAF pulls the footage showing that Hamas used 'em for carrying around their terrorists or fired mortars/rockets at Israel.

re: #16 VegasRick

Israel is defending her people, pali's suck, no such thing as civilians in gaza.
End of story.

There are civilians in Gaza, but they are willing hostages to Hamas. There were civilians in Dresden too, sucked to be them.

re: #50 mean Gene

In Beit Lahiya?
What on earth were they doing there after the IDF incusion?
That's way in the north of Gaza.

they didn't expect you to actually look at a map

re: #13 MrPaulRevere

I just came across the gem at Huff Post..."There is a new name for America . Its called the Jewnited States of America.....There is starting a huge backlash in America against them because people are finally waking up. Same as the germans did in the 30's." Please note that comment was approved by a moderator. There is some serious craziness going around. [Link: www.huffingtonpost.com...]

Why did I click on that link? Now I have to boil my brain.

re: #40 Last Mohican

Maybe. Maybe it's not a funeral at all, and she's just crying because she doesn't want to brush her teeth and go to bed. AP has a well-established history of promulgating what it knows to be absolute lies in attacking Israel. So once again, I guess we'll never know what was really happening in that picture.

Kind of like, "I read it on the internet, so it must be true", huh?

re: #13 MrPaulRevere

Oh, no.

That's vile.

re: #24 Last Mohican

How do you know that comment was approved by a moderator?

I'm not disagreeing with you -- I'm just asking, because I don't spend enough time at HuffPo to understand whether or how their comments get approved by a moderator.

There is no per post approval there either, but you can get canned. The comment mentioned is getting a lot of flaw, right from the start. i.e.

"This anti Semitic tin foil hat rhetoric is neither true nor helpful. We're dealing with politics here not religion, and misinformation is the last thing we need. "

Fruit cakes can post both on left and right blogs, and then find there posts used against the main steam posters.

EXCELLENT POST, Charles!
THANK YOU!

re: #31 Sharmuta

[Link: news.yahoo.com...]

Interesting picture- was the funeral held in the bathroom?

She looks like Jill Greenberg snatched away her candy.

re: #59 Alouette

She looks like Jill Greenberg snatched away her candy.

Indeed.

re: #17 Killgore Trout

Huffpo comment....

Yikes!

Killgore? You're good at this stuff: my Male says that's old - a repost.

Can you confirm, or tell me how to find out?

re: #1 goddessoftheclassroom

MWAH!

re: #54 Alouette

I do it so you don't have to! That presentation by the IDF was very well done I have to say. Short and to the point, very factual and persuasive.

re: #41 Desert Dog

I feel for that kid.....that little life will probably not know what it;s like to live in a normal place...Those tears are courtesy of 60 years of victimhood perpetuated by the misguided, carried out by the evil.

Enabled by the media.

re: #48 FrogMarch

but but but... the poor Palestinians are just looking for food.

to hell with the the corrupt insane leadership in Iran. To hell with the death cults.

Yeah...that 1.5 tons of flour per person must have run out....?
/

I loved at the end of the video where they show Syria/Hezbollah and Iran as the suppliers. You know they are in Israel's sights next.

go IDF
don't stop till you get enough
he he

re: #10 Broomer

Once again, deaf people are being ignored. Someone please have this subtitled!

The guy talks extremely quickly, I'm not sure how subtitles would work :S

re: #44 lawhawk

Another gem, courtesy of Newsweek. Is peace in the Middle East hopeless?

And the answer heard thousands of times a day- at least several hundred on CNN- is the "cycle of violence".

Example:

Israel surrenders Gaza to the Barbarians. The Barbarians attack Israel.

It's a cycle. Can't you see?

Just read this on another blog, which i think took it from Muqata:

6:48 PM Reports that IDF tanks and ground forces have Gaza city completely surrounded.

re: #16 VegasRick

Israel is defending her people, pali's suck, no such thing as civilians in gaza.
End of story.

LOL!

re: #57 avanti

Utter nonsense, another cut and paste directly from their commenting policy: Huffington Post pre-moderates comments on our blog posts and post-moderates comments on news stories.

re: #12 Killgore Trout

The MSM is using its usual spin of "disproportionate response", etc but the propaganda effort this time is really weak.

Here is the situation:
A man threatens to kill you and your neighbors and creates an organization of people just like himself who want to kill you.
Then he holds bake sales, car washes and raises money. With that money he goes out and buys weapons and gets his friends to give him the weapons to kill you.
He convinces his kids to wear bombs and sends them to video arcades to kill your children.
Then he kills your neighbors.
Then he attacks you.

If you fight back its disproportionate?
OK, what is proportionate?
Good grief.

Muqata is also noting via Twitter that calls to Gazans note that there is no lack of food or other humanitarian aid.

re: #70 Broomer

LOL!

Right to the point! :-)

It's great that Israel is stepping up in the information war. Keep it up.

The other side and it's pity party can't stand in the face of facts.

Later all.

Keep it up Israel.

re: #34 desdichado

I don't think Christiana Amanpour would like this clip. She is calling the IDF attacks "disproportionate".

Christiana Imawhore can go fuck herself.

re: #72 shanec99

Logic is a tool of the oppressor!

Lock the doors Israel! Rice might try to sneak in!

More Muqata: Approximately 500 terrorists killed so far with another 2500 wounded since the start of operations. About 30% of Hamas's strength.

I'd discount that number, but even if it's 250 terrorists killed, 1250 wounded, and 15% of strength, it's a good start. There's a whole lot more Hamas that needs to be turned to humus before peace is possible.

Good source of info on Palestinian Rocket attacks:

[Link: www.jewishpolicycenter.org...]

Ah, here's a pristine example of what I call the "troll jihad" -- a moby comment just left on zomblog:

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"134 Anonymous on Jan 4, 2009 at 11:06 am:

I was once sympathetic to the Palistinian cause. But now I have been enlightened by my Pro-Israeli brothers and sisters and have come to realize that all Palestinans are nothing but anti-semetic savages with no redeeming values. I say it is time for Israel to be brave enough to do that which finally must be done. It is time for the “final solution”. Don’t let those nukes degrade any further, put them to good use. Or perhaps a more ecologically sound approach might be to rehabilitate some of The Furher’s long abandoned delousing showers from Aushwitz and Buchenwald. It is time to show the world the ultimate act of moral courage and rid it of the Palestinian scourge."

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What's your opinion: was this left by a leftist, or an Islamist?

Such fake moby jihad comments are coming fast and thick in the last week -- several per hour.

Back in a bit...
IDF, just DO it!

re: #62 pre-Boomer Marine brat

MWAH!

My reply...

MWAH!

In Gaza, the real enemy is Iran

re: #61 Dianna

I'll stretch the limits of fairness here Dianna: That might be a throw-away post the nutbar throws up on any thread relating to Israel, so yes, its possible your hubby saw it before.

re: #81 zombie

Leftist. IMHO.
You need some Troll spray, in Billy Goat Gruff scent.

re: #79 lawhawk

a whole lot more Hamas that needs to be turned to humus

Soylent Green

re: #13 MrPaulRevere

I just came across the gem at Huff Post..."There is a new name for America . Its called the Jewnited States of America.....There is starting a huge backlash in America against them because people are finally waking up. Same as the germans did in the 30's." Please note that comment was approved by a moderator. There is some serious craziness going around. [Link: www.huffingtonpost.com...]

I'd call it serious antisemitism.

re: #81 zombie

Sounds more like a leftist troll to me, with the showers embellishment.

re: #77 jaunte

Logic is a tool of the oppressor!

And murder is the tool of...?

Disproportionate!

Things have not changed in the last 2000 years,
Jews still do not fight fair,

One time in Rome a Jew was condemed to death.
Well they dug a hole in the Arena and placed him in the hole.
They buried him in the hole with only his head sticking above the hole.
A hungry lion was released into the arena.
The crowed tensed with excitement at the coming blood shed.
The hungry lion smelt the fear of the Jew and slowly but carefully approached the head of the man burried in the sand,.
The hungry lion opened his mouth to bite the head of his hapless victem, a Jew burried in the sand.
The as quick as lighting the Jew streched his stiff neck our and bit the lion on the tounge.
The lion roared with pain and ran away from the still living Jew.
The crowd sensed what happened and then as a single person they all rose from their seats and with a single voice cried out,"FIGHT FAIR JEW"

Credit unknown.

re: #81 zombie

Ah, here's a pristine example of what I call the "troll jihad" -- a moby comment just left on zomblog:

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"134 Anonymous on Jan 4, 2009 at 11:06 am:

I was once sympathetic to the Palistinian cause. But now I have been enlightened by my Pro-Israeli brothers and sisters and have come to realize that all Palestinans are nothing but anti-semetic savages with no redeeming values. I say it is time for Israel to be brave enough to do that which finally must be done. It is time for the “final solution”. Don’t let those nukes degrade any further, put them to good use. Or perhaps a more ecologically sound approach might be to rehabilitate some of The Furher’s long abandoned delousing showers from Aushwitz and Buchenwald. It is time to show the world the ultimate act of moral courage and rid it of the Palestinian scourge."

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What's your opinion: was this left by a leftist, or an Islamist?

Such fake moby jihad comments are coming fast and thick in the last week -- several per hour.

I vote leftist....you can tell by the "I'm-way-smarter-than-you-fools sarcasm". I am sure he considers himself enlightened in a way us lower life forms on the right cannot comprehend.

re: #81 zombie

Islamist troll. A leftist probably wouldn't have used the phrase
... "brothers and sisters"

Oh, they use "putsch" to describe Hamas' actions!

re: #61 Dianna

I googled "Its called the Jewnited States of America." as a direct quote and huffpo was the only result. However, he's paraphrasing a common theme.

hey guys
not only can you send pizza to the IDF but they also do burgerspizza might get old after a while :)

Damn, one minute later, here comes another one. The mobys are RELENTLESS! :

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139 Muhamad Bendover on Jan 4, 2009 at 11:35 am:

Yeah let’s give all the camel jockeys the same weapons as the Jews, that should be funny. Is all they know how to do is blow themselves up. They are all such pussies, praying on the innocent palestinians to advance Iran’s agenda through Hamas and Hezbollah. I say we join the Jews and just kill all the camel jockeys, men women and children and wipe them off the face of the earth. Just start over and then we will all live in peace. Just prior to doing this we should drop all the fags into the area so that they burn up as well. Better yet, fuck gaza, let’s bomb San Fran and take that back first.

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Note to moonbats trolling for bad comments on LGF: This is a quote of phony moby comment left on a different blog, written by a leftist. So back off.

re: #83 goddessoftheclassroom

My reply...

MWAH!

AWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW!
MWAH!

Zombie, this sounds like an orchestrated campaign to slam your blog, perhaps generated by the somethingawful crowd .

Abdullah of Amman has made noises about reevaluating the peace with Israel. If he does then he falls into the position of prisoner of those forces that his father spent 40 years saving his country from. The Hashemites will fall and Israel will be able to insist on reuniting Ramallah and Amman. The winners would be the Palestinians, who would have a viable state if they wanted one. The big losers would be the Gazans and Hamas and Egypt and Syria and Hezbollah and Iran, and their enablers in Russia and the EU. Powerful set of forces working against this but Abdullah is proving much less adept than his father.

re: #81 zombie

Ah, here's a pristine example of what I call the "troll jihad" -- a moby comment just left on zomblog:

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"134 Anonymous on Jan 4, 2009 at 11:06 am:

I was once sympathetic to the Palistinian cause. But now I have been enlightened by my Pro-Israeli brothers and sisters and have come to realize that all Palestinans are nothing but anti-semetic savages with no redeeming values. I say it is time for Israel to be brave enough to do that which finally must be done. It is time for the “final solution”. Don’t let those nukes degrade any further, put them to good use. Or perhaps a more ecologically sound approach might be to rehabilitate some of The Furher’s long abandoned delousing showers from Aushwitz and Buchenwald. It is time to show the world the ultimate act of moral courage and rid it of the Palestinian scourge."

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What's your opinion: was this left by a leftist, or an Islamist?

Such fake moby jihad comments are coming fast and thick in the last week -- several per hour.

my take.
The problem is determining whether "it" ended up at the bottom of the circle from a clockwise or counterclockwise direction.

Charles,
Spun and hung so I had to reload.

re: #99 MrPaulRevere

Zombie, this sounds like an orchestrated campaign to slam your blog, perhaps generated by the somethingawful crowd .

Personally, I think it's ANSWER doing it. I mention them in the post.

re: #81 zombie

Leftist.

re: #97 zombie

You have quite an infestation going on. Do you know where they are coming from? You must be on some list or something.

re: #97 zombie

Damn, one minute later, here comes another one. The mobys are RELENTLESS! :

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139 Muhamad Bendover on Jan 4, 2009 at 11:35 am:

Yeah let’s give all the camel jockeys the same weapons as the Jews, that should be funny. Is all they know how to do is blow themselves up. They are all such pussies, praying on the innocent palestinians to advance Iran’s agenda through Hamas and Hezbollah. I say we join the Jews and just kill all the camel jockeys, men women and children and wipe them off the face of the earth. Just start over and then we will all live in peace. Just prior to doing this we should drop all the fags into the area so that they burn up as well. Better yet, fuck gaza, let’s bomb San Fran and take that back first.

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Note to moonbats trolling for bad comments on LGF: This is a quote of phony moby comment left on a different blog, written by a leftist. So back off.

This one is not as educated as the last one, but just as sanctimonious.

re: #97 zombie

That one was definitely by a leftass. Used our vernacular.

It seems that the mainstream media considers Palestinian blood redder than Israeli blood; how else can you explain all this condemnation of a sovereign nation for simply defending its citizenry from rocket attacks?

re: #79 lawhawk

More Muqata: Approximately 500 terrorists killed so far with another 2500 wounded since the start of operations. About 30% of Hamas's strength.

I'd discount that number, but even if it's 250 terrorists killed, 1250 wounded, and 15% of strength, it's a good start. There's a whole lot more Hamas that needs to be turned to humus before peace is possible.

Its not the footsoldiers on the ground with their Kalashnikovs that matter, its the leadership, and their access to more advanced weapons.

To the extent that taking out the grunts helps with the former, and damages Hamas' morale, its good, but those numbers aren't by themselves meaningful.

re: #97 zombie

Another leftist. I'll bet that one's a San Francisco resident.

re: #81 zombie

Ah, here's a pristine example of what I call the "troll jihad" -- a moby comment just left on zomblog:

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"134 Anonymous on Jan 4, 2009 at 11:06 am:

I was once sympathetic to the Palistinian cause. But now I have been enlightened by my Pro-Israeli brothers and sisters and have come to realize that all Palestinans are nothing but anti-semetic savages with no redeeming values. I say it is time for Israel to be brave enough to do that which finally must be done. It is time for the “final solution”. Don’t let those nukes degrade any further, put them to good use. Or perhaps a more ecologically sound approach might be to rehabilitate some of The Furher’s long abandoned delousing showers from Aushwitz and Buchenwald. It is time to show the world the ultimate act of moral courage and rid it of the Palestinian scourge."

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What's your opinion: was this left by a leftist, or an Islamist?

Such fake moby jihad comments are coming fast and thick in the last week -- several per hour.

These people make me sick.

re: #81 zombie

Lefty troll. I am sure it probably comments in other areas how it is a hard core right winger who believes all Middle Easterners should die, Obama is a Mooslim with a fake certificate, you all know the rest. Red meat for the DU/KOS/HuffPo gang to spin as "typical" conservative/Republican folks.

re: #103 zombie

Zombie,
Is there any good reason for some of us to trundle over to zombietime and start whacking? My guess is, regarding this kind of crap, that there's not. Please advise.

/visualize Richard Boone ... with six-guns

re: #108 landline

It seems that the mainstream media considers Palestinian blood redder than Israeli blood; how else can you explain all this condemnation of a sovereign nation for simply defending its citizenry from rocket attacks?

A simple explanation would be that they hate Jews.

Another (somewhat less satisfying) one is that the press always favors the "underdog", the weaker party in a conflict, regardless of which side has the morally superior claim.

re: #91 Opinionated

Disproportionate!

Credit unknown.

Disproportionate is when you have only $60 and you want to go on vacation in Paris.
Disproportionate is when you earn $20,000 a year and take out an arm to buy a $1,000,000 house.
But it is not disproportionate to:
Fight back against a man who says he will kill you and everyone like you.
Purchased the weapons to carry out the threat to kill you and people like you,
Used those weapons to kill your friends,
and then attacked you.

re: #80 MJ

Good source of info on Palestinian Rocket attacks:

[Link: www.jewishpolicycenter.org...]

Combine that with the grids found here and you've got it all!
[Link: elderofziyon.blogspot.com...]

lotsa very passionate people, it looks. they will be weeded out and given over to DKos since they can't refrain from screaming. I doubt very few of them remember anything past 1946 in RE: the ME

re: #81 zombie

A Leftist.

And the use of - Pro- Israeli "brothers and sisters" gives a clue too.

re: #109 looking closely

I'm aware of that too, and to that end, Israel has been taking out quite a few high level Hamas. Problem is that some of the bigwigs aren't even in Gaza.

Meshaal is busy drinking tea in the comfort of a residence in Damascus.

re: #95 Killgore Trout

Thanks for your effort.

Ugh.

re: #81 zombie

I vote Islamist.

But you know what, moby though it be, I get at least a little perverse joy in seeing them do it.

re: #103 zombie

Personally, I think it's ANSWER doing it. I mention them in the post.

That sounds about right.

Israel... a light unto the nations

Desperately tries to avoid civilian casualties in wartime
........a light unto the nations!

Allows in humanitarian aid to civilians
........a light unto the nations!

Does not celebrate at the downfall of its enemies
........a light unto the nations!

Expresses remorse for those civilians accidently killed
........a light unto the nations!

etc., etc

re: #105 Killgore Trout

You have quite an infestation going on. Do you know where they are coming from? You must be on some list or something.

I think the people who were in the protest itself have discovered the thread. Another theme running through the comments is, "I was there, what you see in the video didn't happen, we are innocuous," etc. Or, perhaps, Hatem Bazian is giving extra credit as part of a class assignment to discredit me. (He was the one inciting the crowd at the protest, though he is not depicted in the video.)

re: #97 zombie

Definitely a lefty. Prime examples of what lefties think conservatives say, which of course bear no relation to anything I've ever seen or heard a conservative say IRL or online.

Iran's calling for the death of Mubarak is an amazing development. But openly calling for the murder of a head of state and putting a bounty on their head to back up the call is an act of war. Not that any international norm is ever observed by the regime. Things like this make it easy for Mubarak to work with Israel to wipe out Iran's proxy Hamas. And the Hezbos could be next!

Egypt is the most powerful and populous of all the Arab States and Mubarak has been killing people who threaten his life and power for decades, Iran has seriously crossed a line. Egypt has the ability to be very helpful in the fight against Iran.

The Islamist radicals are completely losing all semblance of rationality in the situation. This is how miscalculations happen.

Hamas has effectively been defeated. The fighting is not over but at this point they are fighting to survive at all, and they will not survive as an organization. The Iranian regime put as much as $2 billion of the Iranian people's oil money into Hamas and there is a crater where the money used to be. Oops. Even in the retarded non democracy of Iran, there are power struggles and the Hamas adventure will land squarely at the regime's feet creating opportunities for the opposition, both those inside and outside the current power structure. And the smarter Iranians are starting to wonder what happens if there is a war with Hezbollah and aside from that will an enraged Israel raid Iran.

Anyone with any military understanding knows there is nothing Iran or Hezbollah can do to save Hamas; but politically, the situation is toxic to Iran's leaders. It may make them feel they have to act, to fight a larger war or lose credibility as the vanguard of the Islamist fight against Israel. When people you refer to as vermin kick you in the teeth, this is a major public humiliation. They called Israel dead; well their "stinking corpse" has swatted Hamas like a gnat and is showing some pretty conclusive signs of life and strength. The events of the last few days are diametrically in opposition to the Ayatollah's worldview. They can lick their woulds and work on their bomb or put in practice what they claim they believe.

The good news is this war has not sapped Israel's strength in any way; Israel may decide the world's weak response, and Egyptian tacit approval, makes this the perfect time to strike Iran's nuclear program.

re: #81 zombie

Ah, here's a pristine example of what I call the "troll jihad" -- a moby comment just left on zomblog:

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"134 Anonymous on Jan 4, 2009 at 11:06 am:

I was once sympathetic to the Palistinian cause. But now I have been enlightened by my Pro-Israeli brothers and sisters and have come to realize that all Palestinans are nothing but anti-semetic savages with no redeeming values. I say it is time for Israel to be brave enough to do that which finally must be done. It is time for the “final solution”. Don’t let those nukes degrade any further, put them to good use. Or perhaps a more ecologically sound approach might be to rehabilitate some of The Furher’s long abandoned delousing showers from Aushwitz and Buchenwald. It is time to show the world the ultimate act of moral courage and rid it of the Palestinian scourge."

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What's your opinion: was this left by a leftist, or an Islamist?

Such fake moby jihad comments are coming fast and thick in the last week -- several per hour.

Unbelievable! Absolutely disgusting.

I'd say this was a leftist, there are some phrases which would not occur to a jihadist, like the sentence about the more ecologically sound solution ...

Could you perhaps use a pre-screening, filtering programme, which flags all posts with certain key words, such as 'final solution', for example, for moderation?

What they are doing to Zombie is internet harassment, pure and simple. Their intent is to keep him/her busy reading and deleting comments, so no other work gets done.

re: #113 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Zombie,
Is there any good reason for some of us to trundle over to zombietime and start whacking? My guess is, regarding this kind of crap, that there's not. Please advise.

/visualize Richard Boone ... with six-guns

I'm trying my best to delete the worst ones (though frankly I don't have the time and gumption to do it thoroughly)! So there's no need to smack them down as a commenter.

re: #81 zombie

What's your opinion: was this left by a leftist, or an Islamist?

/Obama voter, either way

Charles, thank you for posting this video. To the IDF, I say a job well done regarding the making of this video. Sane people will watch this and be able to make informed opinions regarding the current situation. Sadly, the lunatic leftists and Islamists will do the chimpanzee and the feces thing while going on a rant.

Israel has bent over backwards and done somersaults to try and be peaceful with the Palestinians, particularly the ones in Gaza. All they have gotten in return is constant terror and horror. It would also seem that the Hamas leadership has pretty much exhausted their street cred with a large number of Arab countries, particularly Egypt, which has become tired of being involved in this conflict and the damages that Egypt takes when Hamas pulls stuff. Quite frankly, the time has come for the Gaza strip to be cleared. I know that should Israel undertake such a course they would do so with the effort for minimal loss of life and whatnot.

Unfortunately, no one else is willing to take the Palestinians and too many Western governments would scream for Israel to stop and to continue putting up with the thorn in its paw known as Hamastan.

Personally, I just hope that Israel can find a solution to the Hamas problem and if that includes leveling the Strip, then so be it. There is absolutely no reason for a nation to live in the constant fear of bombings, rocket attacks, suicide bombers, the indoctrination of children to become ethnic murderers, etc.

re: #125 doppelganglander

Definitely a lefty. Prime examples of what lefties think conservatives say, which of course bear no relation to anything I've ever seen or heard a conservative say IRL or online.

I agree. It would take a particularly unhinged "wingnut" to suggest nuking Gaza. That idea's incredibly insane. The writing of it simply has to be a parody.

re: #81 zombie

I change my vote.

It is neither an Islamic nor a Leftist.

It's a neo Nazi.

re: #127 yma o hyd

Could you perhaps use a pre-screening, filtering programme, which flags all posts with certain key words, such as 'final solution', for example, for moderation?

I'm not nearly as tech-savvy as Charles. He has built LGF from the ground up by hand, so he has all these wonderful customized tools. I'm just using a WordPress template, and my admin powers are therefore fairly limited. I can't even block IPs or individual commenters. And I'd have no idea how to set up a filter.

re: #128 MrPaulRevere

What they are doing to Zombie is internet harassment, pure and simple. Their intent is to keep him/her busy reading and deleting comments, so no other work gets done.

EXACTLY!

If this keeps up, I'm going to have to require WordPress registration, AND moderation of each comment.

re: #126 Ayatollah Ghilmeini

AG, I'd say it is not appropriate to gloat. If Israel gets every missile, kills every Hamas officer, and returns home with no more casualties, I don't see why things will not simply return to the bad status quo ante six months down the line. Where is even the first sign of rationality on the Palestinian side?

re: #103 zombie

Personally, I think it's ANSWER doing it. I mention them in the post.

You have an ANSWER infestation?
You need professional exterminators

re: #126 Ayatollah Ghilmeini

Holy Shit!
Does that student association have any prove-able ties to the Regime itself?

re: #134 Opinionated

I change my vote.

It is neither an Islamic nor a Leftist.

It's a neo Nazi.

Interesting theory!

re: #134 Opinionated

I change my vote.

It is neither an Islamic nor a Leftist.

It's a neo Nazi.

How about all of the above?

At church I was surprised to see someone wearing a keffiyah. Then I noticed that it was printed all over with the words:

;שאלו, שלום ירושלם
صلاة للسلام في الق

I thought that was funny.

"Pray for the peace of Jerusalem." Psalm 122:6

re: #136 zombie

Zombie,
how does that saying go....oh yeah
"you know your over the target when you start catching flak :)

re: #133 pre-Boomer Marine brat

I agree. It would take a particularly unhinged "wingnut" to suggest nuking Gaza. That idea's incredibly insane. The writing of it simply has to be a parody.

Nuking Gaza... what fool would suggest that?
One, too many innocents would die... nukes are such blunt instruments.
Two the fall out would make a large swath of land both Isreali and Arab land uninhabitable for generations.
Three, the resulting cancers, birth defects etc would go on long after the reason for fighting had passed.
Fools who suggests using nukes have no idea what the impact of a nuke would be on the affected populations.

re: #126 Ayatollah Ghilmeini

remarkable turn of events....the beast is chasing it's tail

re: #136 zombie

EXACTLY!

If this keeps up, I'm going to have to require WordPress registration, AND moderation of each comment.

Do it!

/I'm gonna hit your tipjar in a little bit, just stuck a Post-It note on the front of the microwave

In the last 10 minuted I have seen a set of well reasoned posts here that are as good as anything on the Net. Congratulations lizards.

re: #129 zombie

I'm trying my best to delete the worst ones (though frankly I don't have the time and gumption to do it thoroughly)! So there's no need to smack them down as a commenter.

Thanks, ... then I'll have to find something to eat in the fridge ... (-:

re: #135 zombie

I'm not nearly as tech-savvy as Charles. He has built LGF from the ground up by hand, so he has all these wonderful customized tools. I'm just using a WordPress template, and my admin powers are therefore fairly limited. I can't even block IPs or individual commenters. And I'd have no idea how to set up a filter.

Aww - I'm quite a few pay-grades lower that that in my computer literacy, and that was all i could think of on the spur of the moment.

Perhaps you could get a trusted West Coast Lizard to help you monitor your blog, with 'deleting' rights, temporarily?

re: #81 zombie

What's your opinion: was this left by a leftist, or an Islamist?

BS from a moronic dirtbag blog insurgent.

Is there any legal tort created by cyber harassment, virtual vandalism or electronic malicious mischief? Should there be?

Hey all,
Check out this video of two best friends, an elephant and a dog. It is incredible.

re: #31 Sharmuta

[Link: news.yahoo.com...]

Interesting picture- was the funeral held in the bathroom?

i wonder how many Israeli children cried because that child's terrorist relative plotted the murder of their family member.

Heh. One of the mobys has noticed I deleted his troll comments. He just left this comment:

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151 Anonymous on Jan 4, 2009 at 12:23 pm

This is really funny. I post pro-Israel comments on here and they misteriously dissapear. Typical left wing censorship

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Who do they think they're fooling?

Your text to link...

re: #153 shanec99

i wonder how many Israeli children cried because that child's terrorist relative plotted the murder of their family member.

The msm must not be interested in the victims of those "nagging" rockets.

re: #155 CapeCoddah

WTF!

re: #151 lifeofthemind

Is there any legal tort created by cyber harassment, virtual vandalism or electronic malicious mischief? Should there be?

Some jurisdictions do have laws on the books that criminalize harassment, vandalism, hacking, and other electronic/internet crimes.

For more, try here.

re: #136 zombie

The Wordpress registration seems to work for HotAir and MM: fewer trolls and those that do make it in receive punishment most severe.

You might also want to leave no more than 1 or 2 threads open at a time. This, and immediate banning of fools, will reduce the amount of of load on you.

re: #154 zombie

Heh. One of the mobys has noticed I deleted his troll comments. He just left this comment:

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151 Anonymous on Jan 4, 2009 at 12:23 pm

This is really funny. I post pro-Israel comments on here and they misteriously dissapear. Typical left wing censorship

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Who do they think they're fooling?

You gotta get up pretty early in the morning to fool the undead.

Apologies if this has been posted, but this video shows exactly why Israel sometimes blows up Ambulances...

It apparently shows Hamas gunmen using an ambulance (marked UN and with a Red Cross) as a troop transport...

Couldn't view the video here. Says something like it is a private video and then clocks for a long time. Maybe a lot of people looking at ti.

re: #155 CapeCoddah

Your text to link...

Linky to da Stinky

re: #156 Sharmuta

The msm must not be interested in the victims of those "nagging" rockets.

If the MSM as compsed today were active in WWII, then Sir Winston Churchill would have been called a war monger, and Neville Chamberlain a principled lion of peace and a man of vision with an appetite for justice.

re: #161 buzzsawmonkey

Leftist. Too coherent for an Islamist; most Islamist posts I have seen are more profane, have more spelling errors and less grammar. And the immediate lapse into the Hitler groove is Leftist conditioned reflex.

Why have one when you can have two at twice the price. He could be both a leftist and a Islamist.

re: #164 VegasRick

Linky to da Stinky

Sorry, I will try again
[Link: www.comcast.net...]

It does seem like something is different this time. Hamas apologists are given air time but the MSM is not nearly as shrill condemning Israel.
Arab leaders, Egypt, Saudi Arabia etc are fairly silent.
There are demonstartions in the West, but you got demonstrations for am allegedly defiled Koran. It almost seems like Arab leaders would like to see Hamas taken down.

The proper way to carry "wounded."

re: #158 lawhawk

Some jurisdictions do have laws on the books that criminalize harassment, vandalism, hacking, and other electronic/internet crimes.

For more, try here.

Maybe that will do zombie some good.

re: #154 zombie

Heh. One of the mobys has noticed I deleted his troll comments. He just left this comment:

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151 Anonymous on Jan 4, 2009 at 12:23 pm

This is really funny. I post pro-Israel comments on here and they misteriously dissapear. Typical left wing censorship

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Who do they think they're fooling?

They're trying to fool their friends.
This is obviously all posted not just to harras you, but to posture in front of their cyber'friends'.

re: #154 zombie

Heh. One of the mobys has noticed I deleted his troll comments. He just left this comment:

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151 Anonymous on Jan 4, 2009 at 12:23 pm

This is really funny. I post pro-Israel comments on here and they misteriously dissapear. Typical left wing censorship

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Who do they think they're fooling?

re: #169 Noam Sayin'

The proper way to carry "wounded."

By now the Arabs living in the vicinity of Israel (I refuse to call them Palestinian) should be really good at carrying the wounded... heavens they have lots of practice when the bombs they are fabricating to kill Israelis blow up prematurely and injure them... it happens all the time.

re: #169 Noam Sayin'

The proper way to carry "wounded."

Let's hope that little girl didn't have any kind of neck or back injuries before.

re: #169 Noam Sayin'

The proper way to carry "wounded."

... when using them as a human shield.

re: #169 Noam Sayin'

The proper way to carry "wounded."

Obviously a highly trained professional KILLER.

re: #156 Sharmuta

The msm must not be interested in the victims of those "nagging" rockets.

Course not - they never have been, why should they start now?
Especially since Israel takes care of her citizens, builds shelters, has warning systems.
No Israeli blood, therefore no suffering.

OK, after deleting five more moby comments, I just left this comment myself:

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Hi, this is the blog moderator here.

This thread is completely infested with trolls and mobys. A substantial portion of the comments on this post are phony, voicing extreme opinions to discredit the opposing side.

I've deleted some of the worst offenders, but from this point onward, I have no time or interest to monitor each comment to make sure trolls are not up to their tricks again. Take each comment here with a big grain of salt, and don't assume that because someone is expressing an extreme opinion in one direction that they actually believe what they're writing. Mostly, these comments are being written by leftists who are (not very believably) pretending to be racists who are pro-Israel, in order to discredit the Israeli side.

So, if you keep reading, beware: comments below this point are unmoderated and of unknown sincerity and provenance.

For you military smarties, what kind of ordnance does this? I've seen pics of that type of air-burst several times over the weekend. Just curious.

re: #175 MandyManners

Let's hope that little girl didn't have any kind of neck or back injuries before.

He doesnt care, all she is to him is a prop for the and Israel media houses and a human shield when the IDF goes after him.

re: #165 shanec99

If the MSM as compsed today were active in WWII, then Sir Winston Churchill would have been called a war monger, and Neville Chamberlain a principled lion of peace and a man of vision with an appetite for justice.

They said exactly that and more. In fairness, Chamberlain was wrong but was not weak, he worked to correct his errors before he died, served Churchill loyally in the War Cabinet and was the driving force behind setting up the Special Operations Executive (SOE).

I call BS. Fear yes. Shortages? Nope.

If there are shortages, blame Hamas. They're busy using sugar and fertilizer to build their kassams. Food? What's that? It gets in the way of their war with Israel.

Dead and starving Palestinians are props to Hamas. It's grievance theater to them, and the world laps it up uncritically.

re: #165 shanec99

If the MSM as compsed today were active in WWII, then Sir Winston Churchill would have been called a war monger, and Neville Chamberlain a principled lion of peace and a man of vision with an appetite for justice.

Would we now be bi-lingual?

re: #176 buzzsawmonkey

The same song occurred to me. Upding!

It leapt right off the screen!

re: #173 MandyManners

Another S&G song sort of fits:

re: #165 shanec99

If the MSM as compsed today were active in WWII, then Sir Winston Churchill would have been called a war monger, and Neville Chamberlain a principled lion of peace and a man of vision with an appetite for justice.

Yep - and they would have reported about the innocent German civilians, victims of the warmongering Allied bombing raids ...

Mind - they wouldn't have found out about the KZs, but they'd certainly have had some guided tours round some spruced-up re-education camps.
Stalin, after all, had already shown the Germans how to do this ...

"Escape From Hamas" (chilling interview of the Palestinian former Hamas hood by reporter Jonathan Hunt) was excellent last night. Please consider watching this young man tell tales from inside terrorist Hamas where his father and uncle are big capos committing crimes against Israel.

That a committed Hamas/Islamic jihadist can become a Christian who preaches "love your enemy" is a great turn of events. May this young man be spared the death sentence Al Qaeda has declared against him for LEAVING ISLAM and criticizing it as a "drug" not a peaceful religion.

Jonathan Hunt the reporter also exposed the pro-Saddam Hussein cheaters in the UN Oil chits for Food Scandal.

Fox News Cable reporters mostly rock!

re: #182 shanec99

He doesnt care, all she is to him is a prop for the and Israel media houses and a human shield when the IDF goes after him.

Big, ol' rag doll.

re: #185 debutaunt

Would we now be bi-lingual?

no quadro lingual (lol)... English, Japanese, German and Italian.

Hi all !

I just tried to click but I can't get it to work, it says it's a "private video"

Has anyone else the same message ?

re: #181 Noam Sayin'

Kinda looks more like chaff flares

re: #181 Noam Sayin'

For you military smarties, what kind of ordnance does this? I've seen pics of that type of air-burst several times over the weekend. Just curious.

Looks like something I'd see on the Fourth of July.

Air-burst ordnance can be artillery, rocket or other. I've noticed alot of them too thius time.

re: #186 buzzsawmonkey

And if I was the President-elect
And my supporters called my name
I'd say now, "Who? Who do you think I'm fooling?
I've got the President-elect seal
Up on the President-elect website
Oh, the media love me, they love me
Their legs tingle as they hug me
They love me like Barack
They think that I'm Barack of Ages
They love me love me love me..."

Bravo! Extra points for the use of the "tingle".

re: #168 opnion

It does seem like something is different this time. Hamas apologists are given air time but the MSM is not nearly as shrill condemning Israel.
Arab leaders, Egypt, Saudi Arabia etc are fairly silent.
There are demonstartions in the West, but you got demonstrations for am allegedly defiled Koran. It almost seems like Arab leaders would like to see Hamas taken down.

* * *
Of course some Arab leaders want to see IRANian supported Hamas taken down! They're too chicken to call out Iran themselves and hide behind Israel's ballsy actions.

re: #193 Flying Dutchman

Hi all !

I just tried to click but I can't get it to work, it says it's a "private video"

Has anyone else the same message ?

Me too.

re: #188 solomonpanting

Another S&G song sort of fits:

Youtube Video

Why, yes it does.

re: #193 Flying Dutchman

Got the same message.

re: #195 MandyManners

Looks like something I'd see on the Fourth of July.

That was my thought, along with chaff flares as desert dog says.
Not much difference between the two, except intent.

I think our town mayor used to use them trying kill everybody who didn't vote for him on the 4^th display.

We'd all go "oooh, aaaah, missed again!"

night yall... need some sleep... full day tomorrow, almost midnight here.

re: #195 MandyManners

Looks like something I'd see on the Fourth of July.

They launch them to fool or trick infrared guidance systems....the flares are hotter than the engine of the aircraft, so any surface to air missile with that type of guidance will lock on to the hotter flare...that's the theory at least.

This is Sir Winston Churchill's eulogy of Neville Chamberlain. It honors both men.

well it looks like the ravens are comming to nashville next sat
gonna be some some cooked bird next week

Religion of Ghouls

Bodies of Hamas leader's children paraded as group promises 'painful' revenge for their deaths

The bodies of a senior Hamas leader's small children were today ghoulishly paraded through the streets of Gaza as the group pledged to avenge their deaths.

Nizar Rayan, his four wives and 10 of his children were all killed by in an Israeli air strike on his home after he ignored warnings they should go into hiding.

In grisly scenes, mourners held up the bloodied bodies of the children to the cameras in a clear attempt to blacken Israel's name and highlight its brutality.

re: #199 jamgarr

Me too.

A YouTube trick or what ?

I'll try to contact Charles by email, he probably isn't aware of this

re: #198 alegrias

* * *
Of course some Arab leaders want to see IRANian supported Hamas taken down! They're too chicken to call out Iran themselves and hide behind Israel's ballsy actions.

That sounds right. There was a gut from al Arybia on this morning, I think Meet the Press. His schtick was that if Bush would have reached out to Iran, none of this would be happening.

re: #181 Noam Sayin'

Quite likely 155 mm HE/WP/ airburst. See here.

re: #199 jamgarr

Me too.

I think you can post videos as private, meaning you have to give specific access for people to view them and not allow them to be viewed by everyone

re: #193 Flying Dutchman

Yes.

re: #210 opnion

That sounds right. There was a gut from al Arybia on this morning, I think Meet the Press. His schtick was that if Bush would have reached out to Iran, none of this would be happening.

If by reach out, he means sustained bombardment and assassinations of Iranian leaders, I would have to agree,

I've also seen this phraseology used quite a bit this weekend.

An Israeli Apache helicopter flies over the northern Gaza Strip after firing a weapons system January 4, 2009.

Clearly, what the helicopter is dropping there are flares to throw off anti-aircraft weapons. But the carefully worded sentence doesn't specify that, and the reader might be lead to believe those are the "weapons system."

re: #210 opnion

That sounds right. There was a gut from al Arybia on this morning, I think Meet the Press. His schtick was that if Bush would have reached out to Iran, none of this would be happening.

I saw that..Didn't he say if Bush wasn't so distracted from Iraq this would have never happened..
So one last time.. ( Mostly)
I BLAME BUSH!

re: #139 pre-Boomer Marine brat

I don't think the entire student population of Iran could put together a million bucks on their own? Moreover the regime suppresses anything students do they don't like. The regime took their Niedermeyers and lined the stooges up and in front of the cameras to announce the bounty.

re: #211 lawhawk

Thanks. Like Mandy said, they look like fireworks.

re: #203 shanec99

night yall... need some sleep... full day tomorrow, almost midnight here.

Sleep well!

re: #180 zombie

I just sent a msg along with a tip-jar submission.
It was spurred by what's going on today with these [deleted].
Maybe it might help.

re: #215 Noam Sayin'

I've also seen this phraseology used quite a bit this weekend.

Clearly, what the helicopter is dropping there are flares to throw off anti-aircraft weapons. But the carefully worded sentence doesn't specify that, and the reader might be lead to believe those are the "weapons system."

It means the "reporters" are clueless fucking idiots who dont check the facts about anything, merely report what they think happened or mindlessly repeat want what their told by the terrorist scum they support.

re: #129 zombie

you should definately do the wordpress thing, that would get a handle on it.

re: #211 lawhawk

Quite likely 155 mm HE/WP/ airburst. See here.

What is the purpose of the airburst? Lighting?

re: #137 itellu3times

Israel is going to hand Gaza to Egypt and the PA with the understanding (and the personal desire on the part of the new government) they keep a lid on things. in exchange there will be aid and help rebuilding and make them look good/

Some governments have shadow cabinets. So far, Obama has a cabinet under a shadow.

re: #223 Wishing

What is the purpose of the airburst? Lighting?

It sets the romantic mood for the evening.

re: #214 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

If by reach out, he means sustained bombardment and assassinations of Iranian leaders, I would have to agree,

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That's the kind of "Reach out & touch" Iran I like took, Kafir. You are funny.

re: #226 jwb7605

It sets the romantic mood for the evening.

lol gee thanks!

re: #220 pre-Boomer Marine brat

I just sent a msg along with a tip-jar submission.
It was spurred by what's going on today with these [deleted].
Maybe it might help.

Thank you!

Delenda

re: #224 Ayatollah Ghilmeini

Israel is going to hand Gaza to Egypt and the PA with the understanding (and the personal desire on the part of the new government) they keep a lid on things. in exchange there will be aid and help rebuilding and make them look good/

Did you just make that up or (please, please, let it be true) is there some substance to support that?

re: #154 zombie
who do they think thier fooling?
thier mothers. thats who.

everyone else thinks thier as*****les

re: #223 Wishing

What is the purpose of the airburst? Lighting?

It's more effective than detonating on the ground.

re: #213 machalot

Yes.

I also "reported" one of my comments on the subject with the provided button, hope Charles gets it to fix (or change the video).

Anyone saved this video ? If yes put it online somewhere else or sent it to me and I'll do it !

Advantage Fox Football coverage...

No Olbermann.

My son called from Toronto, wanting to know the latest news, which he can't get up in moonbat-media Canuckistan. He also refuses to get Internets, fearing that it may harm his children.

I have told him repeatedly that I am sick of making all his airline, hotel, and car rental reservations and being his news source. In other words, he should get his own Interwebs.

Charles has updated the front page post confirming the video no longer works

May I say Hanan Ashrawi the Palestinian "journalist" and now Palestinian Legislative Council person (and former Peter Jennings' girlfriend! Uggghhh!)
and APOLOGIST for terrorists, is still ugly sounding.

(heard her last night on Fox News decrying the Israeli's muscular self defense actions.)

re: #236 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Advantage Fox Football coverage...

No Olbermann.

Wasn't Olbermann fired from ESPN years ago?

re: #234 Noam Sayin'

It's more effective than detonating on the ground.

Please explain?

re: #231 buzzsawmonkey

I keep trying to figure out how to work something about Dr. Caligari into comments on Obama's cabinet.

I'm not familiar with the story, but perhaps you can use this line:

Cesare falls to his death during the pursuit, and the townsfolk discover that Caligari had created a dummy to distract Francis

re: #169 Noam Sayin'

Just idly wondering how many of the 602 photos currently on that site are of destruction wrought by Hamas rockets/mortars on Israeli towns and villages.

re: #223 Wishing

What is the purpose of the airburst? Lighting?

3 type of explosive bursts, air, ground and subsurface. Depending on the desired effects, you would use different munitions. Air burst maximizes the explosive force over a wider area, ground burst maximizes force at point of impact, subsurface is used for cratering and to kick up more debris.

re: #237 Alouette

My son called from Toronto, wanting to know the latest news, which he can't get up in moonbat-media Canuckistan. He also refuses to get Internets, fearing that it may harm his children.

I have told him repeatedly that I am sick of making all his airline, hotel, and car rental reservations and being his news source. In other words, he should get his own Interwebs.

Tell him that you got rid of your Interwebs so you won't harm your child.

re: #237 Alouette

My son called from Toronto, wanting to know the latest news, which he can't get up in moonbat-media Canuckistan. He also refuses to get Internets, fearing that it may harm his children.

I have told him repeatedly that I am sick of making all his airline, hotel, and car rental reservations and being his news source. In other words, he should get his own Interwebs.

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Ah, Alouette, gentil no more Alouette!

Thanks for standing up for yourself. You're doing your son a favor by encouraging him to get his own access to factual information.

re: #238 Flying Dutchman

Charles has updated the front page post confirming the video no longer works

Maybe they decided that they don't have to explain a damn thing to anyone.

Operation Cast Lead T Shirts available now at the Zionist Mall!

re: #240 buzzsawmonkey

Maybe you can't find a loaf of bread in Gaza, but I bet you can find a lot of people who have been bred to be loafers.

It's a pita.

re: #217 Ayatollah Ghilmeini

I don't think the entire student population of Iran could put together a million bucks on their own? Moreover the regime suppresses anything students do they don't like. The regime took their Niedermeyers and lined the stooges up and in front of the cameras to announce the bounty.

You're probably right.

I'd like to know what (if any) kind of "word" is being circulated in (*cough*) "certain quarters". If this is a for-real bounty, that fact is being made known.

/with the right kind of word being put out, they could use Baghdad Bob

re: #245 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

3 type of explosive bursts, air, ground and subsurface. Depending on the desired effects, you would use different munitions. Air burst maximizes the explosive force over a wider area, ground burst maximizes force at point of impact, subsurface is used for cratering and to kick up more debris.

Ok, it just seems almost out-of-control to explode stuff up in the sky?

re: #217 Ayatollah Ghilmeini

I don't think the entire student population of Iran could put together a million bucks on their own? Moreover the regime suppresses anything students do they don't like. The regime took their Niedermeyers and lined the stooges up and in front of the cameras to announce the bounty.

Its been (allegedly) been reported by Iran's official news agency, so an offer was made, but realistically, its probably NOT a legitimate offer. IE, how is anyone going to "collect"?

I can't find the offer on the English-language version of the Fars website.

But I did find these "gems":

UFO crashes in central Iran. (EG probably a military airplane crash).

Israel continues massacre of Palestinians in Gaza, gallery (self explantory).

re: #216 HoosierHoops

I saw that..Didn't he say if Bush wasn't so distracted from Iraq this would have never happened..
So one last time.. ( Mostly)
I BLAME BUSH!

That was the guy & the rest of the panel just sat there. To give this guy any credence, you would have to believe that if Bush would have just made nice, Amandinejad would have said, "You know, I think that Jews are nice.
I"m gonna vacation in Israel.

re: #250 jaunte

It's a pita.

..she said with a rye smile...

re: #240 buzzsawmonkey

Maybe you can't find a loaf of bread in Gaza, but I bet you can find a lot of people who have been bred to be loafers.

I love your Jewish rye humor.

re: #239 alegrias

May I say Hanan Ashrawi the Palestinian "journalist" and now Palestinian Legislative Council person (and former Peter Jennings' girlfriend! Uggghhh!)
and APOLOGIST for terrorists, is still ugly sounding.

Like most Palestinian spokespeople, she lies unabashedly.

re: #255 Wishing

..she said with a rye smile...

Great. Now we're gonna have a bunch of buns.