Guardian Hits Bottom, Digs

Middle EastJanuary 2009 • Views: 2,601

In Britain’s most disgusting newspaper: an obituary for a genocidal mass murderer.

A big, bearded man, usually surrounded by balaclava-clad fighters, he was hated by Israelis. Yet on the streets of Gaza, where economic and social misery has boosted Hamas’s reputation during the past five years, he was something of a hero. He was famed for fighting alongside his men and being seen with them publicly. And he was not merely a fighter. He was highly regarded as an Islamic academic.

Retch.

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231 comments

notutopia Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:01:22am

Guardian.UK: Backhoe Award for 2009!

newsjunkie_ky Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:01:29am

Good Gawd! How low can they go?

[deleted] Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:01:38am

pre-Boomer Marine brat Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:02:08am

There is no bottom where the Guardian is concerned.

Nevergiveup Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:02:21am

Oh I don't know, I bet they can go alot lower!

harrylook Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:03:11am

Yet on the streets of Gaza, where economic and social misery has boosted Hamas’s reputation

Funny how that works, isn't it?

yma o hyd Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:03:43am

Doesn't take much to be regarded as an 'islamic academic' ...

Occasional Reader Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:03:45am

He soon became a professor in the sharia (Islamic law) at the Islamic University in Gaza, specialising in the Hadith, the authorised sayings of the Prophet Muhammad.

What, no Ph.D. in astrology? Maybe a Masters Degree in voodoo?

Good riddance to bad rubbish, and shame (once again) on The Guardian.

Spiny Norman Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:04:40am

The Grauniad eulogizes a murderous Arab thug? Amazing.

Next you'll tell us that the sky is blue, or something.

Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret) Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:04:55am

On the plus side, it is an obituary...

Occasional Reader Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:05:07am

Yet on the streets of Gaza, where economic and social misery has boosted Hamas’s reputation during the past five years, he was something of a hero.

Well, he's still something of a hero. Specifically, a hero sandwich. More specifically; meatballs.

yma o hyd Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:05:09am

re: #2 newsjunkie_ky

Good Gawd! How low can they go?

Even lower than you think is humanely possible!

Hi, {newsjunkie-ky}!

nyc redneck Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:05:11am

isn't he the "brilliant" pos who had a phd. in "martyrdom"?
islamic academic?
unfckingbelievable.

Sizzlack Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:05:14am

The part of the obit they left out:

'He leaves behind two 12 year old wives, 17 children and a harem of camels.'

[deleted] Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:05:22am

MandyManners Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:05:29am

He refused to leave or allow his enormous family to leave their home in the Jabalia camp.
SNIP
He even sent his 22-year-old son on a suicide mission in 2001 to the Elei Sinai Israeli settlement in Gaza.

FATHER OF THE YEAR!

bulwrk Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:05:41am

All his four wives were killed, as were at least six of his 14 children.

Maybe only having one wife and two kids might relieve some of that economic misery.

Spiny Norman Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:05:45am

re: #6 harrylook

Yet on the streets of Gaza, where economic and social misery has boosted Hamas’s reputation

Funny how that works, isn't it?

It's not a bug, it's a feature!

WriterMom Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:05:59am

The only thing missing from this piece is:

Fortunately, the dearly departed leader did manage to slaughter quite a number of Jews during his short life, either directly or by influencing his followers. Too bad he's not still around to kill more Jews and Zionists-for this we grieve.

filetandrelease Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:06:04am

That is all just a bunch of rubble, errr, rubbish.

Occasional Reader Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:06:18am

To the typical Guardian reader:

If the jihadists had their way, they would cheerfully behead you, and videotape it.

Carry on.

Sizzlack Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:06:33am

He was famed for being seen alongside his men? This is all of a sudden a characteristic worthy of being included in an obit? Oh man wow he actually saw the people he told to martyr themselves. Wow what a stand up guy.

yma o hyd Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:06:34am

re: #15 buzzsawmonkey

Why is it that the Guardian, and other Western media, do not find it the least bit unusual that an "academic" should be "surrounded by balaclava-clad fighters?"

Thats easy - its their 'culture', see!
Not for us to judge by our standards ...

[deleted] Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:06:42am

WriterMom Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:07:21am

Does it annoy the shit out of anyone else when these Dhimmi MSM crud-heads use a capital letter on the Prophet Mohammad?

pre-Boomer Marine brat Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:07:30am

"Guardian" of what?

In the same way that Hamas has been the guardian of Gaza's common folk, commandeering medical supplies, ambulances and hospitals?

jcm Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:07:33am

A small, mustached man, usually surrounded by brown-shirted youth, he was hated by Jews. Yet on the streets of Munich, where economic and social misery has boosted the Nazi Parties reputation during the past five years, he was something of a hero.

Penny T. Wienerdog Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:07:49am

So does he get his 72 ~~Virginians~~, I mean virgins?

WriterMom Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:07:49am

re: #24 ploome hineni

Yes. Such enlightened places.

albusteve Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:07:52am

re: #24 ploome hineni

from the Guardian article:

legendary centers of intellectual learning

targets

[deleted] Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:07:58am

Nevergiveup Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:08:02am

re: #24 ploome hineni

from the Guardian article:

legendary centers of intellectual learning

Even yasser went to school in Cairo?

WriterMom Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:08:13am

re: #27 jcm

ALTERNATIVE OBITUARY TIME!

Occasional Reader Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:08:18am

re: #15 buzzsawmonkey

Why is it that the Guardian, and other Western media, do not find it the least bit unusual that an "academic" should be "surrounded by balaclava-clad fighters?"

Ward Churchill must be seething with envy.

Sharmuta Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:08:26am

Utterly disgusting to see a free press shilling for their own enemies.

[deleted] Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:08:30am

WriterMom Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:08:32am

re: #30 albusteve

Ha!

Pyrocles Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:08:41am

He's "exotic" and "cool". Kind of like Che and even Bill Ayers; another academic once surrounded by fighters...minus the religious garb.

re: #15 buzzsawmonkey

Why is it that the Guardian, and other Western media, do not find it the least bit unusual that an "academic" should be "surrounded by balaclava-clad fighters?"

jaunte Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:08:42am

re: #21 Occasional Reader

Adding to that:
"he strongly advocated suicide bombing inside Israel.."
without regard for who the explosions might kill or wound.

His operations are best continued underground.

albusteve Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:08:42am

re: #27 jcm

A small, mustached man, usually surrounded by brown-shirted youth, he was hated by Jews. Yet on the streets of Munich, where economic and social misery has boosted the Nazi Parties reputation during the past five years, he was something of a hero.

haaa! perfect

tredlord Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:08:45am

They don't call it al-Guardian for nothing.

newsjunkie_ky Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:08:49am

re: #12 yma o hyd

Even lower than you think is humanely possible!

Hi, {newsjunkie-ky}!

It is a wonder that there are any supporters of Israel left what with the way the terrorists are so propped up in the media.
Hi {yma o hyd}

[deleted] Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:09:23am

Penny T. Wienerdog Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:09:25am

re: #24 ploome hineni

from the Guardian article:

legendary centers of intellectual learning

Isn't that a contradiction in terms?

vxbush Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:09:29am

re: #25 WriterMom

Does it annoy the shit out of anyone else when these Dhimmi MSM crud-heads use a capital letter on the Prophet Mohammad?

Yes. No other spiritual leader gets any recognition, except the Dali Lama.

Occasional Reader Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:09:35am

re: #24 ploome hineni

from the Guardian article:

legendary centers of intellectual learning

How dare you speak disparagingly of Sudan U., home of the "'Splodeys"!

2by2 Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:09:38am

//// among his academic achievements:
.........and he strongly advocated suicide bombing inside Israel. He even sent his 22-year-old son on a suicide mission in 2001 to the Elei Sinai Israeli settlement in Gaza, where he and two Israelis died and 15 others were injured. Rayan was also said to have directed and financed the attack on the Israeli port of Ashdod in 2004 in which 10 Israelis were killed.
a real Arab hero!
/

WriterMom Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:09:42am

re: #39 jaunte

Ha! Six feet underground operations.

Sharmuta Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:09:48am

The media is part of the problem.

Nevergiveup Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:09:55am

The ideal obit for a POS like this:

Good Riddance!

tokyobk Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:10:04am

This does not bother me so much.

It is a factual obit and it actually makes a very clear statement about the relationship between Islamic academics and the urge to wipe out the infidel which is at least a start in closing the cognitive gap in most of the world press.

Why would someone with a PhD in Islamic studies and a specialty in the Hadith believe that one should send one's own son to be "martyred?"

As of now, most liberals cannot answer that question honestly to themselves let alone others.

Spiny Norman Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:10:13am

re: #26 pre-Boomer Marine brat

"Guardian" of what?

The Glorious Workers' Revolution.

albusteve Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:10:14am

re: #49 Sharmuta

The media is part of the problem.

the MSM is my dire enemy

pre-Boomer Marine brat Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:10:20am

re: #22 Sizzlack

He was famed for being seen alongside his men?

He was famed for being photographed alongside his men. First and foremost, he was a politician, dedicated to maintaining his own power in what amounts to a tribal culture.

Ben Hur Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:10:24am

re: #8 Occasional Reader

He soon became a professor in the sharia (Islamic law) at the Islamic University in Gaza, specialising in the Hadith, the authorised sayings of the Prophet Muhammad.

Translation:

He memorized the Hadith by heart.

That's all their "Education" is.

The Guardian knows this.

Nevergiveup Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:10:30am

re: #49 Sharmuta

The media is part of the problem.

Speaking of which, I haven't seen Cognito recently?

SasquatchOnSteroids Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:10:31am

re: #24 ploome hineni

from the Guardian article:

legendary centers of intellectual learning

otherwise known as weapon storage facilities.

yma o hyd Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:11:02am

re: #42 newsjunkie_ky

It is a wonder that there are any supporters of Israel left what with the way the terrorists are so propped up in the media.
Hi {yma o hyd}

It is indeed astonishing, especially since this shilling for Hamasthuggery is not done just by the Guardian alone, but by practically all MSM here in the UK - with more or less finesse!

dhg4 Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:11:14am

At the al-Guardian didn't leave out this important detail:

The mosque where he preached was known as the Mosque of Martyrs, and he strongly advocated suicide bombing inside Israel. He even sent his 22-year-old son on a suicide mission in 2001 to the Elei Sinai Israeli settlement in Gaza, where he and two Israelis died and 15 others were injured. Rayan was also said to have directed and financed the attack on the Israeli port of Ashdod in 2004 in which 10 Israelis were killed.

Taranto noted

As it turns out, the Israel Defense Forces cared more about Rayyan's children than he did. YNetNews.com reports:

Prior to striking Rayyan's house the IDF tried to warn his family about the imminent attack and urged them to evacuate the place, but they refused to do so.

Taranto concludes that Rayyan didn't even live up to the standards of Sting.

(And as a bonus, he quoted me!)

Honorary Yooper Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:11:31am

re: #35 Sharmuta

Utterly disgusting to see a free press shilling for their own enemies.

That's al-Guardian for ya. Never miss a moment to damn the West and support its enemies.

Muadib Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:11:41am

Nizar Rayan's soul died long before his body. Just like the rest of his ilk. No sympathy for evil.

jaunte Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:11:44am

"Generous to a fault, the Juice gave him what he most dearly wished for in life."

Occasional Reader Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:12:06am

re: #55 Ben Hur

Translation:

He memorized the Hadith by heart.

So he was the go-to guy for all your Jew-betraying-talking-tree questions...

WriterMom Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:12:08am

re: #59 dhg4

He even sent his 22-year-old son on a suicide mission in 2001

Outstanding terrorist credentials. EVEN sending his own son!

Deseeded Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:12:10am

Well, with the Guardanian whining about it, at least we know that Israel did the right thing by killing this turd.

Spiny Norman Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:12:20am

re: #35 Sharmuta

Utterly disgusting to see a free press shilling for their own enemies.

They don't see it that way. They see Western Civilization as an enemy. The enemy of their enemy is their friend.

realwest Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:12:37am

It's sorta amazing what passes for "academic" in the Guardian, isn't it.
What a POS newspaper that is. Just letting the Anti-Semitism that runs deep in the typical English heart show more openly, every day.

WriterMom Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:12:45am

re: #65 Deseeded

Quite right.

[deleted] Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:13:05am

WriterMom Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:13:35am

The Jew hating Guardian CAN KISS MY ZIONIST TUCHES!

GO IDF, SCREW YOU AL-GUARDIAN.

Am Yisrael Chai!

dhg4 Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:13:37am

re: #6 harrylook

Funny how that works, isn't it?

Indeed. We were told that Hamas won because Fatah was corrupt and brought misery to the Palestinians. Hamas were the "good government" terrorists. Now we discover that they were just as corrupt and their real appeal was that they were more openly hostile to Israel's existence.

turn Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:13:43am

"All his four wives were killed, as were at least six of his 14 children."

I was going to make a sarcastic remark but decided it would be in bad taste. Obviously this "Islamic academic" hoped his wives and children would act as human shields to protect him. Not only is that not very smart for an academic, it is evil beyond description.

Hard Right Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:14:08am

Wonder how they would feel if they were the rocket recipients?

Sharmuta Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:14:16am

re: #66 Spiny Norman

They don't see it that way. They see Western Civilization as an enemy. The enemy of their enemy is their friend.

I agree- they make a deal with the devil thinking they'll be last to get eaten, but it rarely works that way.

pre-Boomer Marine brat Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:14:27am

Anyone or anything which is opposed to what the Guardian opposes is the Guardian's friend.

/until the Guardian realizes that there's no one left to protest, besides them

Ben Hur Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:14:31am

re: #59 dhg4

He even sent his 22-year-old son on a suicide mission in 2001 to the Elei Sinai Israeli settlement in Gaza, where he and two Israelis died and 15 others were injured.

He "died?"

Those he killed also "died?"

They all "died" together?

What a wonderful world of moral equivalence.

Of course, they use completely different moral standards and rhetoric and post modern gymnastics when it happens in England.

Occasional Reader Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:14:45am

Wave the flag for Sudan U., boys
Show them how we stand!
Ever shall shahids be faithful
'splodin' throughout the land!
Rah rah boom-a boom-a...

/with apologies to Jack Armstrong, the All-American Boy

tokyobk Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:14:58am

Some here are missing it. He was a genuine Islamic academic and thats the problem.

WriterMom Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:15:18am

re: #76 Ben Hur

Yes. They just "died". The same way-all together. Same thing. LALLALALLALALA go home.

Penny T. Wienerdog Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:15:20am

..and this is the "Religion of Peace"?

jcm Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:15:24am

re: #74 Sharmuta

I agree- they make a deal with the devil thinking they'll be last to get eaten, but it rarely works that way.

When they come for the last ones, no is left to hear their cries.

MandyManners Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:15:31am

re: #27 jcm

A small, mustached man, usually surrounded by brown-shirted youth, he was hated by Jews. Yet on the streets of Munich, where economic and social misery has boosted the Nazi Parties reputation during the past five years, he was something of a hero.

newsjunkie_ky Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:15:32am

re: #58 yma o hyd

It is indeed astonishing, especially since this shilling for Hamasthuggery is not done just by the Guardian alone, but by practically all MSM here in the UK - with more or less finesse!

It runs rampant in almost all the lamestream media. They have an agenda and facts are not going to get in the way.

Ojoe Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:16:04am

Before this conflict with the forces of death and evil is over, articles like that will land the publisher in prison.

Sharmuta Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:16:06am

re: #81 jcm

When they come for the last ones, no is left to hear their cries.

Don't hypocrites have a special place in Hell?

[deleted] Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:16:07am

Nevergiveup Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:16:11am

re: #76 Ben Hur

Hey Ben, are you in USA or in Israel right now?

MandyManners Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:16:14am

re: #46 Occasional Reader

How dare you speak disparagingly of Sudan U., home of the "'Splodeys"!

Cheerleaders in burkhas!

jcm Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:16:42am

re: #85 Sharmuta

Don't hypocrites have a special place in Hell?

I hope so. Especially when the hypocrisy is dripping with blood.

solomonpanting Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:16:43am

Nizar Rayan, who was assassinated on Thursday in Gaza by a bomb dropped from an Israeli warplane, was a man of the street,

I hear the BBC made a documentary of Rayan, but it bombed.

Kosh's Shadow Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:16:44am

re: #28 Penny T. Wienerdog

So does he get his 72 ~~Virginians~~, I mean virgins?

He's going to be turned into a virgin to be used by those he mislead.

yma o hyd Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:17:14am

re: #83 newsjunkie_ky

It runs rampant in almost all the lamestream media. They have an agenda and facts are not going to get in the way.

Especially not when they would actually have to so some work to check if the propaganda they're told is based on reality ...

stevieray Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:17:16am

On the plus side, I've figured out how GWB can rehabilitate his image and become a statesman... forget about Crawford, pick-up a keffiyah, move to Gaza, and kill himself some Joos! That would be Epic in la Guardian-land!

Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret) Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:17:32am

re: #25 WriterMom

Does it annoy the shit out of anyone else when these Dhimmi MSM crud-heads use a capital letter on the Prophet Mohammad?

You bet. When was the last time you saw one of them write:

"and The Christian Messiah Jesus..."

Ben Hur Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:17:33am

re: #87 Nevergiveup

Hey Ben, are you in USA or in Israel right now?

US.

Occasional Reader Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:17:38am

re: #79 WriterMom

Yes. They just "died". The same way-all together. Same thing. LALLALALLALALA go home.

He 'sploded, and that made him die, and by an extraordinary coincidence some nearby Jews died at the same time. Oh, well.

realwest Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:17:49am

re: #71 dhg4
Huh

We were told that Hamas won because Fatah was corrupt and brought misery to the Palestinians. Hamas were the "good government" terrorists. Now we discover that they were just as corrupt and their real appeal was that they were more openly hostile to Israel's existence.

And yet Israel is supposed to sit down and enter into a truce with - either what's left of Hamas or with Fatah, each of whom reflect and represent the wishes of those "Palestinians" who are openly hostile to Israel's simple existence.
Go IDF!

Pyrocles Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:18:05am

Yep. Western Civilization is "what's wrong with the planet" according to Leftists like al-Guardian. It causes global warming, pollution, and virtually all war. If we in the West could just erase ourselves from history, everything would be better. People would still be living in communal, tribal, hunter-gatherer, and egalitarian societies free from social classes and polluting technology and industry. Gaia would be pleased. /

re: #66 Spiny Norman

They don't see it that way. They see Western Civilization as an enemy. The enemy of their enemy is their friend.

[deleted] Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:18:08am

100

mich-again Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:18:27am

Heres a whopper from that Guardian Obit...

Although, on winning the 2006 election, Hamas committed itself to a long-term truce with Israel and promised to abide by resolutions already agreed by the Palestinian Authority, ...

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Occasional Reader Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:18:31am

re: #90 solomonpanting

Nizar Rayan, who was assassinated on Thursday in Gaza by a bomb dropped from an Israeli warplane

Wait wait wait... "assassinated"? Didn't he just, you know, die?

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Nevergiveup Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:18:35am

re: #95 Ben Hur

US.

Are you surprised how tight lipped Israel is keeping this?

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albusteve Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:18:59am

re: #85 Sharmuta

Don't hypocrites have a special place in Hell?

yes the one they create for themselves...
spit

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latingent Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:19:05am

As he watched his son head out he turned to his wife with pride and said `they blow up so fast, dont they?`

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experiencedtraveller Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:19:09am

Islamic academia?

Well they DID give us algebra about a thousand years ago. Since then its been pretty much NADA.

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Bob Dillon Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:19:21am

Ah - come on - it's just business. And the Guardian is in the business of making money - or attempting to. This obit will sell a lot more papers than usual in the UK.

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yma o hyd Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:19:31am

re: #97 realwest

Huh

And yet Israel is supposed to sit down and enter into a truce with - either what's left of Hamas or with Fatah, each of whom reflect and represent the wishes of those "Palestinians" who are openly hostile to Israel's simple existence.
Go IDF!

They're going indeed!

7:04 PMReports of intensive fighting in Gaza City between IDF troops and Hamas terrorists. IDF artilary pounding away at Hamas targets in Northern Gaza. Channel 10 (Or Heller) reports of over 100 Hamas terrorists captured by IDF.

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Ojoe Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:19:35am

re: #101 Occasional Reader

He was "killed". Not assassinated, nor murdered.

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Opinionated Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:19:37am

What boiling temperature of rabid hatred of Jews is required to mourn a savage Islamic terrorist?

The British are rapidly becoming known for only two things, the decay of their teeth and the decay of their soul.

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[deleted] Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:19:48am

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Occasional Reader Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:19:51am

re: #94 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

You bet. When was the last time you saw one of them write:

"and The Christian Messiah Jesus..."

?

Actually, to be consistent, they'd have to just say "the Messiah, Jesus Christ", without the "Christian" qualifier.

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Ben Hur Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:19:57am

re: #102 Nevergiveup

Are you surprised how tight lipped Israel is keeping this?

What?

That I'm in the US?

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Honorary Yooper Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:20:12am

re: #74 Sharmuta

I agree- they make a deal with the devil thinking they'll be last to get eaten, but it rarely works that way.

Those who hand-feed the alligator in hopes it will eat them last usually lose their hands.

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Kosh's Shadow Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:20:36am

re: #98 Pyrocles

Yep. Western Civilization is "what's wrong with the planet" according to Leftists like al-Guardian. It causes global warming, pollution, and virtually all war. If we in the West could just erase ourselves from history, everything would be better. People would still be living in communal, tribal, hunter-gatherer, and egalitarian societies free from social classes and polluting technology and industry. Gaia would be pleased. /

People who think like that are free to go into the jungle somewhere and live as hunter-gatherers. I won't stop them. And I won't miss them either.
My guess is they wouldn't last a month.

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jcm Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:20:47am

re: #108 Ojoe

He was "killed". Not assassinated, nor murdered.

He was a legitimate target in warfare. An uniformed member of the Command and Control of Hamas.

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yma o hyd Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:20:56am

re: #105 experiencedtraveller

Islamic academia?

Well they DID give us algebra about a thousand years ago. Since then its been pretty much NADA.

They stole that from the Indians ...

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Nevergiveup Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:21:14am

re: #112 Ben Hur

What?

That I'm in the US?

Well is the IRS after you?
/

I mean how few leaks seem to be coming out of the Israel Government which usually leaks like a sieve?

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J Doc Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:21:21am

Anytime you highjack a religion and mix it with governance, you are going to have trouble.

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Morganfrost Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:21:37am

And he was not merely a fighter. He was highly regarded as an Islamic academic.

That is to say, he was not merely a murderer of women and children, he also knew lots of reasons to murder women and children.

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Occasional Reader Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:21:38am

re: #88 MandyManners

Cheerleaders in burkhas!

We've got Semtex,
yes we do!
We've got Semtex,
how 'bout you?

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unreconstructed rebel Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:21:41am

Nizar Rayan, who was assassinated ...

This opening statement so bothered me that I looked the word up. Per Mirriam Webster, the word means:
1 : to injure or destroy unexpectedly and treacherously
2 : to murder (a usually prominent person) by sudden or secret attack often for political reasons.

The same article admits he was a field officer & was killed by a bomb in open warfare. Oh, the way the left loves to misuse words.

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[deleted] Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:21:41am

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Jewels (AKA Julian) Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:22:15am

and the Al-Grognard never fails to disappoint. And let us not forget thata good portion of the Beeb get's it's newsstaff from the Grognard now

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Occasional Reader Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:22:18am

re: #108 Ojoe

He was "killed". Not assassinated, nor murdered.

Um, yes, I know. I'm commenting on The Guardian's double standard.

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Kosh's Shadow Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:22:20am

re: #100 mich-again

Heres a whopper from that Guardian Obit...

Although, on winning the 2006 election, Hamas committed itself to a long-term truce with Israel and promised to abide by resolutions already agreed by the Palestinian Authority, ...

I believe they did promise all this. What Al-Guardian left out is that they did not actually DO any of this. Which of course, makes them impossible to negotiate with, or to make any deal with.

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Ojoe Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:22:26am

re: #117 Nevergiveup

I mean how few leaks seem to be coming out of the Israel Government which usually leaks like a sieve?

This is evidence of a real sea change

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albusteve Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:22:43am

re: #118 J Doc

Anytime you highjack a religion and mix it with governance, you are going to have trouble.

Islam is one in the same...

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tokyobk Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:22:44am

And Western Civilization is the only (just like Israel in the ME) that give a flying F about the rights of women and gays and the ethnic special interests that comprise the American left.

Big cognitive problem.

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Ben Hur Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:22:50am

re: #117 Nevergiveup

Well is the IRS after you?
/

I mean how few leaks seem to be coming out of the Israel Government which usually leaks like a sieve?

You're right.

Maybe they finally figured out that shutting up is good.

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turn Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:22:54am

What is it with these British terrorism appeasers, they all look alike!

This Trevor Mostyn guy looks a lot like George Galloway less the mustache, ha!

[Link: www.trevormostyn.com...]

Image: george%20galloway.jpg

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Ojoe Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:23:04am

re: #124 Occasional Reader

And I's posting for the lurkers, maybe they will sharpen their minds.

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Nevergiveup Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:23:04am

EPA 'Cow Tax' Could Charge $175 per Dairy Cow to Curb Greenhouse Gases
Farm Bureau warns just this one rule may increase milk production costs up to 8 cents a gallon.

[Link: www.businessandmedia.org...]

Can a baby tax be far behind ( so to speak )?

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Desert Dog Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:23:06am

On a more happy note, it appears that Al Franken will be named the newest Senator from Minnesota - Franken to be named.

Now, if that bit of happiness does not warm the cockles of your heart and lift your spirits, I do not know what will.

Signed,
Oh Yeaa!

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Ojoe Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:23:18am

I's = I'm

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Occasional Reader Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:23:32am

re: #115 jcm

He was a legitimate target in warfare. An uniformed member of the Command and Control of Hamas.

But he wasn't a member of any recognized nation-state's "military", and therefore he was... a civilian. Another tragic "civilian" death! Damn those Juice!

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nyc redneck Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:23:33am

re: #67 realwest

It's sorta amazing what passes for "academic" in the Guardian, isn't it.
What a POS newspaper that is. Just letting the Anti-Semitism that runs deep in the typical English heart show more openly, every day.

it must irk them to no end that they don't have the courage to just state their hatred of israel and jews, outright.
lol, looks like pc restrictions cut both ways.
they have to sneak around pretending to be professional w/ glowing obits for the scum terrorists seeking to destroy israel.
that is as close as they get to announcing their perverse beliefs.
fck off guardian.

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Ojoe Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:23:42am

re: #132 Nevergiveup

I fart in their general direction

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freedombilly Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:24:02am

If this man was an "academic" I would like to return my college diploma and resign my teaching position.

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jaunte Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:24:13am

re: #110 buzzsawmonkey

Can you do a salute to Nizar with Tom Lehrer's "I Hold Your Hand In Mine?"
( or maybe "I Fall To Pieces")

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Occasional Reader Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:24:16am

re: #134 Ojoe

I's = I'm

Not to worry, we speak Jive.

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realwest Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:24:31am

re: #83 newsjunkie_ky
Hey news! Yup, but the media in England has had several hundreds of years within which their Anti-Semitism has grown and "prospered", so they naturally have something of a lead on our MSM, although I have to say CNN and MSNBC are doing their damnedest to close that gap.

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bombarafat Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:24:46am

You could take away Al Guardian's shovel and they would still dig with their hands.

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Honorary Yooper Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:24:47am

re: #85 Sharmuta

Don't hypocrites have a special place in Hell?

Dante places them in the eighth circle of Hell.

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Ojoe Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:24:59am

re: #140 Occasional Reader

After the election !

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Ojoe Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:25:16am

re: #143 Honorary Yooper

Traitors in the 9th

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mich-again Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:25:41am

As for why he insisted on using his many wives and children as human shields..

Unlike many others, however, Rayan appeared to believe himself invincible. He refused to leave or allow his enormous family to leave their home in the Jabalia camp.

Yes thats it. Its not that he was an evil genocidal maniac who doesn't care for the safety of his own family. Nope, he had this strange psychological condition that led him to believe he was actually a comic book superhero.

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albusteve Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:25:57am

re: #145 Ojoe

Traitors in the 9th

Cowboy fans in the 10th!

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jcm Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:25:57am

re: #135 Occasional Reader

But he wasn't a member of any recognized nation-state's "military", and therefore he was... a civilian. Another tragic "civilian" death! Damn those Juice!

/

Oh, in that case the IAF would like to apologize. We suffered a a malfunction with one of our aircraft and a GBU-31 seems to have fallen off. These things will happen. So sorry.

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realwest Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:26:34am

re: #92 yma o hyd
Hi yma! They really wouldn't have to do that much work, ya know?
They just don't want to be compelled by facts to have to open their eyes and SEE.

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Honorary Yooper Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:26:44am

re: #132 Nevergiveup

EPA 'Cow Tax' Could Charge $175 per Dairy Cow to Curb Greenhouse Gases
Farm Bureau warns just this one rule may increase milk production costs up to 8 cents a gallon.

[Link: www.businessandmedia.org...]

Can a baby tax be far behind ( so to speak )?

Udder insanity, IMHO.

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vxbush Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:26:44am

re: #105 experiencedtraveller

Islamic academia?

Well they DID give us algebra about a thousand years ago. Since then its been pretty much NADA.

In case no one else has mentioned it:

Algebra existed in Babylonian texts a thousand years area and in Greek texts; they just were done verbally, rather than using the shorthand notation we use now.

/back to your main programming

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Creeping Eruption Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:26:56am

re: #146 mich-again

As for why he insisted on using his many wives and children as human shields..

Yes thats it. Its not that he was an evil genocidal maniac who doesn't care for the safety of his own family. Nope, he had this strange psychological condition that led him to believe he was actually a comic book superhero.

I guess thats what a PhD form Khartoum U will get ya.

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pre-Boomer Marine brat Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:27:11am

re: #148 jcm

Oh, in that case the IAF would like to apologize. We suffered a a malfunction with one of our aircraft and a GBU-31 seems to have fallen off. These things will happen. So sorry.

/

Case in point

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Nevergiveup Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:27:12am

Sources: Dodgers look to move Jones

[Link: sports.espn.go.com...]

Jones signed a two-year, $36.2 million deal with the Dodgers before last season

Not even the Yankees were that stupid!

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Occasional Reader Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:27:23am

re: #146 mich-again

Nope, he had this strange psychological condition that led him to believe he was actually a comic book superhero.

At the end, he demonstrated his key superpower; the ability to turn into liquid.

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Ojoe Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:27:42am

re: #150 Honorary Yooper

as I live and breathe, that carbon dioxide tax violates the equal protection clause.

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Spiny Norman Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:27:51am

re: #100 mich-again

Heres a whopper from that Guardian Obit...
Although, on winning the 2006 election, Hamas committed itself to a long-term truce with Israel and promised to abide by resolutions already agreed by the Palestinian Authority, ...

Double Whopper with cheese. The truth is like kryptonite to the Grauniad.

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albusteve Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:28:02am

re: #155 Occasional Reader

At the end, he demonstrated his key superpower; the ability to turn into liquid.

ahaha....you're enfeur...

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tokyobk Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:28:54am

"What I have written is influenced by a certain feeling of 'belonging' to the Middle East and by a sadness over the breakdown of values that its sudden exposure to the West has sometimes led to."

Only a western liberal can be so well fed and safe to be delusional enough to write this about his object of romanticization.

From his website.

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Honorary Yooper Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:29:21am

re: #156 Ojoe

as I live and breathe, that carbon dioxide tax violates the equal protection clause.

Use the 14th Amendment against it? I like the idea.

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realwest Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:29:37am

re: #99 Iron Fist
Hi Fist! Uh,

Let's face it, terrorism works. Until we do something about that, terrorism will continue. Why would they stop? They are winning right now.

I don't think Al-Q and the Taliban think they're winning in Afghanistan and they surely LOST BIG TIME in Iraq, so I'm not so sure terrorism is really a "winning" strategy - and even Hamas knows that by now.
Just sayin.....................

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Ojoe Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:30:03am

re: #161 Honorary Yooper

It would be a gas to argue that in the supreme court.

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Spiny Norman Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:30:42am

re: #133 Desert Dog

OT

On a more happy note, it appears that Al Franken will be named the newest Senator from Minnesota - Franken to be named.

Now, if that bit of happiness does not warm the cockles of your heart and lift your spirits, I do not know what will.

When ballots with Franken's name crossed out and Mickey Mouse written in are counted for Franken, anyone could have seen this coming.

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realwest Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:31:27am

re: #107 yma o hyd
WOW! Thanks for that comment and link!

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Tumulus11 Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:32:11am

'He even sent his 22-year-old son on a suicide mission in 2001 to the Elei Sinai Israeli settlement in Gaza, where he and two Israelis died and 15 others were injured.'
// The Guardian

. The Guardian uses the passive voice to report that Nizar's son Ibrahim and another Hamas terrorist gunned down twenty year old Assaf Yitzhaki and then chased down and murdered his eighteen year old girlfriend Liron Harpaz and injured fifteen others before they could be put down.

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Kosh's Shadow Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:32:16am

re: #165 Spiny Norman

When ballots with Franken's name crossed out and Mickey Mouse written in are counted for Franken, anyone could have seen this coming.

Well, they do have a certain resemblence.

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albusteve Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:32:58am

re: #164 Ojoe

It would be a gas to argue that in the supreme court.

argue it with a rancher in NM...like 120k some square miles...they'd send you back to Roswell...hahaha

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paybacktime Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:33:14am

Since leftists, progressives, socialists (naztional and soviet) love boycotts. I suggest a boycott of advertisers in the Guardian.

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Who Watches the Watchmen? Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:33:24am

Now he's highly regarded as worm food.

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Myrddin Emrys Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:33:25am

Unlike many others, however, Rayan appeared to believe himself invincible. He refused to leave or allow his enormous family to leave their home in the Jabalia camp. The bomb reduced the building to rubble and the death toll was, consequently, dreadful.

At least they blame Rayan for the death of his family, instead of blaming the IDF. I think my least favorite aspect of media coverage is often the "civilian death toll" and blaming it on the IDF instead of on the people who refused to evacuate those civilians even though they were warned pretty directly.

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Kosh's Shadow Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:33:54am

re: #171 Who Watches the Watchmen?

Now he's highly regarded as worm food.

Which makes him actually useful.

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Ojoe Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:34:08am

re: #169 albusteve

Classing CO₂ as a pollutant was insane.

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Opinionated Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:34:12am

re: #107 yma o hyd

reports of over 100 Hamas terrorists captured by IDF

There are 7200 disappointed virgins.

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Creeping Eruption Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:34:35am

re: #173 Kosh's Shadow

Which makes him actually useful.

Pali finally making the desert bloom? Never thought I'd see it.

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albusteve Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:34:44am

re: #174 Ojoe

Classing CO₂ as a pollutant was insane.

it's beyond insane somewhere...hell of a money maker tho...

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Pastorius Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:34:46am

I'll never forget their fawning obituary for Sheikh Yassin.

Fuck the Guardian.

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Darwin Akbar Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:34:50am

Guardian obit writer, channeling Max Bialystock "We want to show everyone the ture terrorist...the jihadi you loved....the jihadi you knew...the homicidal Jew-hating manic with a song in his heart!"

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realwest Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:35:14am

re: #121 unreconstructed rebel Well I certainly admit that the Left loves to misuse words, but here I wouldn't be surprised at all if it was just pure ignorance or stupidity.
Hard to tell with any MSM outlet, ya know?

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pre-Boomer Marine brat Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:36:30am

Gramscian CopyEditors of the Caliphate

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Opinionated Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:36:38am

re: #178 Pastorius

Fuck the Guardian.

Ok. But with such a whore make sure to use double and triple protection.

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RaiderDan Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:36:48am

re: #24 ploome hineni
from the Guardian article:

legendary centers of intellectual learning

How dare you speak disparagingly of Sudan U., home of the "'Splodeys"!

I hear their football team likes to throw THE BOMB a lot.

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realwest Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:37:05am

re: #126 Ojoe
Sure hope you're right about that. If leaks have stopped from inside Israel that would greatly influence their ability to destroy Hamas.

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solomonpanting Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:37:08am

re: #97 realwest

Huh

And yet Israel is supposed to sit down and enter into a truce with - either what's left of Hamas or with Fatah, each of whom reflect and represent the wishes of those "Palestinians" who are openly hostile to Israel's simple existence.
Go IDF!

Let's see, how will these negotiations work?

Israel: "What do you want?"
Hamas: "We want you erased from the Earth."
Israel: "OK, perhaps we can compromise. We'll stop our invasion. What will you give us?"
Hamas: "We want you all dead."
Israel: "Perhaps we haven't been as clear and direct as we might be. How can we come to some sort of agreement?"
Hamas: "We want you wiped out from these lands."
Israel: "Let's try a different approach. What concessions, goods or services can we provide you?"
Hamas: "We want to kill all you Zionists."
Israel: "Thank you so very much. We're so happy to be able to have had this tet-a-tet with you."

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Creeping Eruption Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:39:00am

re: #188 ploome hineni

the fucking LIAR Hanan Ashwari on

and they just let her keep going

That gas bag is still around? She's like the Jesse Jackson of Palis

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uptight Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:41:14am

Admittedly it's a close thing, but I think the Independent is marginally ahead of the Grauniad as Britain's Most Disgusting Newspaper.

The Indie employs Robert Fisk, remember.

It's largely the Grauniad's readership who are disgusting, rather than its content.

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descolada9 Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:43:23am

Do people in Britain actually read that rag for anything other than humor? What a disgusting piece of drivel. And I'm glad the SOB is dead, may he rot forever in hell, where he deserves to be.

As for the poor, poor Palestinians, you elected these bastards so live with what you pulled the lever for. To quote the theme song from the movie, Hardware, "This is what you want, this is what you get."

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Kosh's Shadow Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:43:44am

re: #179 Darwin Akbar

Guardian obit writer, channeling Max Bialystock "We want to show everyone the ture terrorist...the jihadi you loved....the jihadi you knew...the homicidal Jew-hating manic with a song in his heart!"

Springtime for Hamas and Palestine
Gaza is crappy and gray
They're marching to a faster pace
Look out, here comes the monster race
Springtime for Gaza and Hamasistan
Gaza is Jew-free once more

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Ayatollah Ghilmeini Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:46:13am

That Nizar Rayyan was born cannot be argued. He studied the Koran, that too cannot be argued.

But let us look at his life and accomplishments to appreciate just who he was and what he stood for:

As a young piece of shit fouler and smellier than anything normally found on the bottom of sewer workers' boots, young Nizar quickly distinguished himself as the stickiest and hardest to flush piece of shit. How he reveled in sewage and the compliments the men waiting to service his mother! How religiously he wallowed in excretia, viscera and substances to vile to even mention here.

And as he grew, like the lines to his mother's bedroom, he expanded the possibilities of his mind to include the subjects of history and contemporary conflict resolution. In other words, he became a fully blown, Hitler loving Nazi scumwad filled with Jew hatred and a burning insane desire to kill every Jew on the planet.

But his full potential was only found when he fell under the complete spell of one of the most violent genocidal criminal organizations on earth, the Muslim Brotherhood and Sheikh Ahmed Yassin. There he really focused on becoming all the mass murderer he could be. There was not morality for Yassin to scrub, Nizar's mind and soul perfect vessels and he became the perfection of murdering Koran spouting Jihad the New York Times never ever mentions. Nizar rose fast in the halls of Hamas power; it was his destiny and the natural order of things, being the massive pile of shit he was provided enormous advantages to advancement. Devoid of even basic human moral norms and provided weapons, indoctrination and training, Nizar became a really dangerous murderous piece of shit. And the people of his beloved Gaza learned the pleasures of living while he stole their future from them, allowed chaos to reign in their hardly paved streets and all the benefits of turning their lives and homes into a huge target with them as his bullet-catchers.

Nizar married and then showed his love and devotion to his wife by marrying and having kids with three other women. To his children, he taught everything he knew. He loved his children so much he sent one them off to blow himself up in a depraved act of murder. While the Koran gives permission to beat your wife, we can be certain that if he did beat any of his brides that he did so only as the Koran intended and certainly not more than was needed to make her do what he said.

As Hamas grew, so did Nizar, and while we can only marvel how he got to so much food in the midst of the "humanitarian crisis" in Gaza, he grew more in power and leadership. It takes special people to run an organization like Hamas, and Nizar was one of those special kinds. Every moment of his life was spent attacking and trying to destroy Israel. Whether through lies or war crimes, the same spirit that marked Nizar for such greatness as a boy flowered to its fullest possibilities as he very carefully hid among women and children to keep the IDF from punching his ticket before he punched theirs.

And there were Nizars friends, who can forget the joy in Gaza that happy September morning when the two towers in New York fell to Bin Laden and Zawahiri's vicious strike? The Muslim Brotherhood spawned Nizar and al Qaeda, these were their days of glory. And how the Jihad against Israel grew! If only Sharon had not responded to the murder of 35 people at a Passover Seder by crushing the intifada. But that setback did not stop Nizar, though his shitpile mentors Ratisi and Yassin who raced to hell ahead of him, Nizar was not done, he conquered Gaza established a fascist state, canceling all elections and tossed not only Palestinian economic development but political opponents from the tops of Gaza's tallest buildings.

Instead, Nizar worked closely with his friends in Iran and Muslim Brotherhood criminals all over the world; he launched a new war with Israel as soon as he had weapons. Nizar Raayn will forever be a martyr to the cause of murdering, lying scum the world over.

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soccerdad Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:46:27am

notice how they (the guardian) do not allow comments?

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realwest Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:47:04am

re: #181 Iron Fist
Well of course you could be right come 20 January 2009, but I have a littleteenybitof hope that Obama won't be that bad.
What am I saying? Yeah, you're right. But terrorism doesn't have to be a winning strategy and I'd submit that without the support of the populace AND fierce, lethal opposition by someone in a position to use that lethal opposition, terrorism is a losing strategy at best.

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realwest Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:49:03am

re: #186 solomonpanting
Yep.
Sigh.
No way anyone can make "peace" with someone who's entire existence is centered around killing you.

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Kosh's Shadow Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:51:59am

re: #198 realwest

Yep.
Sigh.
No way anyone can make "peace" with someone who's entire existence is centered around killing you.

Fortunately, I never saw the person who drove the Volvo with the "coexist" bumper sticker, that was parked in front of me when I got lunch, or I would have asked a very similar question.

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JustABill Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:54:38am

re: #91 Kosh's Shadow

He's going to be turned into a virgin to be used by those he mislead.

Hopefully he won't be a virgin for long up/down there.

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Summersong Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:55:27am

re: #131 Ojoe

And I's posting for the lurkers, maybe they will sharpen their minds.

Lurkers have dull minds?

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pegcity Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:57:51am

can we write an obituary for Britain?

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Kosh's Shadow Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:58:56am

re: #200 JustABill

Hopefully he won't be a virgin for long up/down there.

They keep re-making him into a virgin, uglier each time.

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Ayeless in Ghazi Mon, Jan 5, 2009 10:11:15am

A gentle giant - and Islamic too - with the kind of big bushy beard you could lose a bolshevik in.

The Guardian at it's most idiotic.

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TaeJohnDo Mon, Jan 5, 2009 10:14:20am

re: #104 latingent

As he watched his son head out he turned to his wife with pride and said `they blow up so fast, dont they?`

Exploding puns. I get a bang out of this thread!

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mfarmer1 Mon, Jan 5, 2009 10:15:46am

Ah, another example of what happens with a degree in Islamic studies. The guy should have reached for the stars with a degree in either psychology or criminal justice instead.

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wiffersnapper Mon, Jan 5, 2009 10:17:01am

Never really understood why people support murdering terrorists, maybe it's because they've been brainwashed.

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debutaunt Mon, Jan 5, 2009 10:24:07am

re: #134 Ojoe

I's = I'm

Disproportionate equality

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Caboose Mon, Jan 5, 2009 10:30:20am

Pah! Doesn't "Islamic Scholar' mean that you know which hand to eat with and which to wipe yer arse with?

I shed not a single tear for the Palestinians that the IDF wipes out, after all, the Palestinians VOTED for these murderers to represent them (just aks Jimmuh Cawtuuu, hes knows, he be there...gots paid 'n everything). I'm not even really all that moved by the plight of the children, since the feeling is not reciprocal by the Palis and they have been poisoned from birth to hate the Jews. And I blame the Palis for making me think and feel this way, damn them...

Know Islam, no peace.
No Islam, know peace.

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ryannon Mon, Jan 5, 2009 10:34:26am

re: #107 yma o hyd

They're going indeed!

7:04 PMReports of intensive fighting in Gaza City between IDF troops and Hamas terrorists. IDF artilary pounding away at Hamas targets in Northern Gaza. Channel 10 (Or Heller) reports of over 100 Hamas terrorists captured by IDF.

Take. No. Prisoners.

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Ojoe Mon, Jan 5, 2009 10:44:31am

re: #201 Summersong

I should have said some lurkers.

I have never been a lurker, I got here before registration...

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Quilly Mammoth Mon, Jan 5, 2009 10:49:23am

He was highly regarded as an Islamic academic.

The kind of Islamic Scholar who has made extermination of the Jews a part of the Hamas Charter based upon the Hadith.

AFAIK the Nazi never made it a written part of their policy to slaughter Jews...it _is_ a written part of Hamas.

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Clubsec Mon, Jan 5, 2009 11:00:34am

Oxymoron: "islamic academic"
As mentioned earlier ... apparently it doesn't take much to be one.

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jtlevitsky Mon, Jan 5, 2009 11:01:41am

Here is a classic MSM/useful idiot double standard:

"Apart from his family, 30 other people were wounded in the bombing, provoking Israeli army claims that secondary explosions were triggered by weapons stockpiled inside the building."

How do they know that 30 people were injured in the bombing- probably got it from Hamas- so it must be fact, and not a claim. Whereas secondary explosions/weapons, something that can not be faked- got it from the Israeli army- so it can not be a fact- only claimed. Makes me want to wretch

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pass the moonbaticide Mon, Jan 5, 2009 11:16:47am

Nizar Rayan, political leader, born 6 March 1959; died 1 January 2009

What's this 'Political Leader' BS ? Didn't the author even read his own piece ? I'll correct it for him :
Nizar Rayan, terrorist, born 6 March 1959; died 1 January 2009.
Mourned by none who truly understand.

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Dustyvet Mon, Jan 5, 2009 11:33:31am

re: #211 Ojoe

I should have said some lurkers.

I have never been a lurker, I got here before registration...

City of Minneapolis once had a law on the books "Lurking With Intent"...:)

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cagney Mon, Jan 5, 2009 11:36:41am

I had read an article in the Grunaid last week from that torag Rayan lawhere he was making veiled threats against the West. Good riddance to bad rubbish.

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cagney Mon, Jan 5, 2009 11:46:20am

re: #193 descolada9

Do people in Britain actually read that rag for anything other than humor?"

Unfortunately a certain section of society does take this seriously, that being well educated but socially inadequate and whose prime occupation is social work, the lowest of the professional classes.

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bj Mon, Jan 5, 2009 11:47:43am

I'm sorry, Charles, but that article is so disgusting I can't bring myself to vote for it being posted here. I'm glad you did but, somehow, I just feel strange giving it a 'yes' vote.

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restitutor orbis Mon, Jan 5, 2009 11:49:47am

I thought this part was ttelling:

He was famed for fighting alongside his men and being seen with them publicly. And he was not merely a fighter. He was highly regarded as an Islamic academic.

Not a fringe loon, nor someone who had "perverted" the religion of peace. An Islamic academic. I doubt anyone would consider Fred Phelps, Tim McVeigh, or the abortion bomber guy Christian scholars (although these three are the most frequently cited "Christian terrorists")

When will the media actually start asking questions?

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strandedsf Mon, Jan 5, 2009 11:56:46am

MSM's rules for obituaries:

Genocidal murderer="hero"
Tony Snow=incompetent hack shill for Chimpy McBushitler

Got it?

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Throbert McGee Mon, Jan 5, 2009 12:11:28pm

He was highly regarded as an Islamic academic.

What the obit doesn't tell us, of course, is that "Islamic academics" read the Koran and Hadiths with exactly the same sort of Amelia-Bedelia literalmindedness as a Young Earth Creationist like Rick Warren reading Genesis.

But would the Guardian ever describe Warren as a "Christian academic"?

_{(P.S. I'm NOT suggesting that Rick Warren and Nizar Rayan have anything at all in common, apart from being Scriptural literalists!)}

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karmasherabwangchuk Mon, Jan 5, 2009 1:05:29pm

re 105: Islamic academia?

Well they DID give us algebra about a thousand years ago. Since then its been pretty much NADA.

Uh actually they got that from the Buddhist high culture of India which they decimated ( universities of Nalanda, vikrashimila, chakrashimila razed ). They preserved mere crumbs from the learning of the Buddhist culture. would probably have finished the Hindus as well but lord Curzon laid them to waste

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justiceforall Mon, Jan 5, 2009 1:10:11pm

The guardian also did obituaries for Pinochet and Suharto.

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justiceforall Mon, Jan 5, 2009 1:12:15pm

re: #221 strandedsf

Actually, they said that he was considered a hero by some, and hated by others. You and I might find it disgusting that anyone would consider this person a hero, but we probably shouldn't blame this newspaper for noting this.

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landline Mon, Jan 5, 2009 1:24:37pm

Warsaw Ghetto Uprising Was Overreaction:

[Link: thepeoplescube.com...]

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rumcrook Mon, Jan 5, 2009 4:02:17pm

re: #27 jcm

bravo. well said jcm. and if the scum that wrote this obit of sh*t had a chance to see your analogy I doubt he would get it.

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rumcrook Mon, Jan 5, 2009 4:08:09pm

re: #225 justiceforall

the difference is that they reinforced a mantle of misunderstood freedom fighter. and spent no time reinforcing the evil deeds he was responsible for. on balance the man was an evil bastard and it should have reflected that. the fact of the matter is that man would personally have murdered all the jews in israel if he had been givin a chance our a tool to do it.

the fact that all palistinians are not dead along with him even though the israelis could do it, shows in bright light the difference between his side (hamas) and the israeli side.

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Optimizer Mon, Jan 5, 2009 6:38:29pm

re: #38 Pyrocles

He's "exotic" and "cool". Kind of like Che and even Bill Ayers; another academic once surrounded by fighters...minus the religious garb.

Yeah, the

He was highly regarded as an Islamic academic.

part reminds me of how the moonbats refer to Ayers as a "respected educator" too.

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B_Dix Tue, Jan 6, 2009 2:23:36am

From the fawning obit:

"Nizar Rayan, who was assassinated on Thursday in Gaza by a bomb dropped from an Israeli warplane ... "

"He refused to leave or allow his enormous family to leave their home in the Jabalia camp. The bomb reduced the building to rubble and the death toll was, consequently, dreadful."

"...he strongly advocated suicide bombing inside Israel. He even sent his 22-year-old son on a suicide mission in 2001 to the Elei Sinai Israeli settlement in Gaza..."

"Rayan was also said to have directed and financed the attack on the Israeli port of Ashdod in 2004 in which 10 Israelis were killed."

"• Nizar Rayan, political leader, born 6 March 1959; died 1 January 2009"
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Who IS this Ham-ASS kisser Trevor Mostyn?

I googled him and found an article on "The murder of Sheikh Yassin". It starts "Israel's assassination in Gaza of Hamas's spiritual leader, the quadriplegic and half-blind Sheikh Ahmed Yassin..." and finishes up with "The world community must now ... ask itself whether so soon after the Madrid massacre it should not be putting much greater pressure on Israel, a nuclear state whose actions as an occupying power are creating intense anger among Muslims throughout the world ..." His web site claims he's a "Middle East Specialist".

Apparently he's convinced all these Islamofascist thugs are noble and enlightened beings. Or something.

Just another dud wasting oxygen and ink.

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