JihadTV Makes Deal with Sony

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Coming to Sony Ericsson mobile phones: JihadTV.

The Al Jazeera Network has announced a partnership with Sony Ericsson, where RSS feeds of its news content will be pre-installed on four models of its mobile devices in both the Middle East and North Africa.

This means that owners of these phones will soon be able to enjoy quality Al Jazeera programs like this: a birthday party for a child killer, Samir Kuntar, who forced a little girl to watch as he shot her father, then bashed her brains out with a rifle butt.

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Sony Ericsson should be ashamed of themselves for promoting this evil hatred.

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381 comments
1 Sharmuta  Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:26:37am

Don't own a Sony mobile device and after this I certainly won't be purchasing any.

2 Kosh's Shadow  Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:27:15am

First, rootkits on CDs, now this.
Sony is a terrorist organization. I refuse to buy anything of theirs.

3 [deleted]  Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:27:35am
4 Pyrocles  Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:28:12am

Boycott the Playstation 3!

5 Honorary Yooper  Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:28:13am

I don't buy Sonys anyway after all the pieces of crap that fall apart within a year I've bought from them in the past.

6 FrogMarch  Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:28:39am

No more SONY Ericsson for me.

7 Capt. Queeg  Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:28:49am

The dead eyes of jihad...

8 Creeping Eruption  Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:29:43am

Calling broker now. Time to divest of any Sony or related company stock.

9 Nevergiveup  Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:29:50am

Does that mean both Sony & Ericsson?

10 Desert Dog  Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:30:26am

It's not personal, it's only business......right? If the money you make has the blood of the innocent dripping off of it, the stains will soak your hands too, Sony. If it's strictly a business matter, why don't they contact Osama and set up some kind of deal for him, it's just money, right?

11 Kosh's Shadow  Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:30:44am

Too bad. I had wanted another Bob Dylan CD, but it is on Sony. I certainly won't be getting it now.

12 Kosh's Shadow  Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:31:19am

re: #9 Nevergiveup

Does that mean both Sony & Ericsson?

Sony and Ericsson merged, or Sony bought Ericsson, a few years ago.

13 Creeping Eruption  Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:31:27am

re: #11 Kosh's Shadow

Too bad. I had wanted another Bob Dylan CD, but it is on Sony. I certainly won't be getting it now.

Pirate it.

14 Occasional Reader  Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:31:47am

That face is actually improved by the Hitler mustache.

Pure evil.

15 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:32:47am

Available in North Africa and the Middle East, which is, of course, the Jihadis' core constituency.

Sony Erection is merely playing to the market ... or is it pay to play? ... or is it pandering to? ... oh WTF! At least the craven Guardian makes pretense of being after TRVTH. Sony is only chasing a fast buck

16 Nevergiveup  Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:33:43am

I wonder if Israel can block those particular transmissions?

17 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:34:18am

I am no longer happy with new Sony Ericsson phone.

18 Spiny Norman  Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:34:27am

re: #14 Occasional Reader

That face is actually improved by the Hitler mustache.

Pure evil.

I'm actually surprised Kuntar hasn't had an "accident" yet.

19 Kragar  Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:34:40am

Well, there goes any chance of getting a PS3

20 bulwrk  Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:35:05am

Sony Pictures to avoid.
Coming Soon

* 2012
* Angels & Demons
* Fired Up!
* The Green Hornet
* Not Easily Broken
* Paul Blart: Mall Cop
* The Pink Panther 2
* The International
* The Lodger
* The Ugly Truth
* Underworld: Rise Of The Lycans


In Theaters

* Cadillac Records
* Lakeview Terrace
* Nick And Norah's Infinite Playlist
* Passengers
* Pineapple Express
* Quantum Of Solace
* Quarantine
* Seven Pounds

21 jwb7605  Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:35:05am

re: #15 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Available in North Africa and the Middle East, which is, of course, the Jihadis' core constituency.

Sony Erection is merely playing to the market ... or is it pay to play? ... or is it pandering to? ... oh WTF! At least the craven Guardian makes pretense of being after TRVTH. Sony is only chasing a fast buck

Maybe it's a decision to abandon one market in favor of another.

22 Sharmuta  Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:35:06am

Contact Sony Ericsson

23 SasquatchOnSteroids  Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:35:59am
In addition to services like podcasts, a YouTube channel, Facebook account, an iPhone application and multiple Twitter news feeds, Al Jazeera recently launched a Twitter account and an interactive map of citizen-submitted reports to follow the developments in Gaza. The Israel Consulate has also been tweeting updates and has conducted an open "press conference" through Twitter.


To be reported as fact in certain London papers...

24 Kosh's Shadow  Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:36:13am

re: #16 Nevergiveup

I wonder if Israel can block those particular transmissions?

Since cell phone technology was developed in Israel, they should either revoke Sony's license, or jack up the license fees.
Sony should switch to using Islamic technology. But it is hard to carry around a camelphone.

25 Creeping Eruption  Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:37:02am

re: #24 Kosh's Shadow

Since cell phone technology was developed in Israel, they should either revoke Sony's license, or jack up the license fees.
Sony should switch to using Islamic technology. But it is hard to carry around a camelphone.

Do they even have the technology to string two cans together?

26 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:37:40am

re: #21 jwb7605

Maybe it's a decision to abandon one market in favor of another.

VERRRRRRY possible!

27 Kosh's Shadow  Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:37:51am

re: #20 bulwrk

Not the latest Bond film!
Bond just wouldn't be the same with the women in burkhas.

28 yma o hyd  Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:38:17am

re: #22 Sharmuta

Contact Sony Ericsson

Also contact the big suppliers of Sony Ericsson - like huge supermarket chains.

I shall certainly do so!

29 albusteve  Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:39:22am

"has anybody seen Joey?....anybody?

30 Tumulus11  Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:39:37am

. Does Sony Ericsson want its brand name to be associated with Samir Kuntar?

31 Hooray for Captain Spaulding  Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:39:39am

Damn.
Most of my electronics are Sony

32 [deleted]  Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:40:20am
33 Creeping Eruption  Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:40:32am

re: #30 Tumulus11

. Does Sony Ericsson want its brand name to be associated with Samir Kuntar?

Samir Ericsson?

34 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:40:49am

re: #20 bulwrk

The Pink Panther 2

I would have avoided that one anyway.

35 [deleted]  Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:41:31am
36 albusteve  Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:42:19am

re: #16 Nevergiveup

I wonder if Israel can block those particular transmissions?

of course they can...or eliminate them entirely

37 ThinkRight  Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:42:24am

re: #31 Hooray for Captain Spaulding

Damn.
Most of my electronics are Sony


Same here
Will not be on the change outs tho

38 Occasional Reader  Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:42:25am

re: #35 ploome hineni

my phone is a SOny Ericsson
time to change anyway

anyone have any recommendations?

iPhone! Then you can download your very own iPhone al-jazeera application.

/gag

39 vxbush  Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:42:29am

Who is running Sony these days? Their products are going downhill in quality, they are making stupid arrangements like this that upset a huge market in the US and Israel--why are they shooting themselves in the foot?

40 Creeping Eruption  Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:42:36am

re: #36 albusteve

of course they can...or eliminate them entirely

of hack them

41 vxbush  Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:43:14am

re: #38 Occasional Reader

iPhone! Then you can download your very own iPhone al-jazeera application.

/gag

Yes, but Apple didn't set up an agreement with Al-Jazeera to put it out. ALJ set that up themselves.

42 [deleted]  Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:43:34am
43 jwb7605  Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:43:36am

re: #35 ploome hineni

my phone is a SOny Ericsson
time to change anyway

anyone have any recommendations?

Motorola is the "most US" product available.
Note the quotations. It's not possible to purchase much of anything these days that doesn't have a few parts made by somebody or some company that should be considered "unsavory" and/or "unfriendly".

44 albusteve  Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:43:57am

re: #39 vxbush

Who is running Sony these days? Their products are going downhill in quality, they are making stupid arrangements like this that upset a huge market in the US and Israel--why are they shooting themselves in the foot?

demographic studies show no one will give a shit

45 descolada9  Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:44:26am

Well, Sony was already in trouble financially, looks like it's about to get worse. Beware of the bedfellows you lie down with, Sony.

46 Occasional Reader  Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:44:34am

re: #41 vxbush

Yes, but Apple didn't set up an agreement with Al-Jazeera to put it out. ALJ set that up themselves.

I think app developers have to agree to certain terms with Apple. But it does appear that the Sony deal is a much closer relationship, true.

Anyway, I *do* like my iPhone.

47 ThinkRight  Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:44:58am

Most laptop batteries and ipod batteries are made by sony I think

48 Nevergiveup  Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:45:06am

re: #44 albusteve

demographic studies show no one will give a shit

Yup, I shot of an E-Mail to Sony, but it will be like farting in the wind. And I might even get taxed for that!

49 Dad O' Blondes  Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:45:20am

Well, Sony's duplicity is disgustingly obvious, and I hope all their subscribers fail to pay their conenctivity subscription bills. HA!

But it does point to something that a number of military analysts have been saying for some time: that the islamo-terrorists are are extremely techno-literate. As a comparison, only a small fraction of US cell phone users access the web from the mobile devices, or even know how to. Let alone watch TV on their PDA's.

.

50 Nevergiveup  Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:45:34am

re: #47 ThinkRight

Most laptop batteries and ipod batteries are made by sony I think

So are most

51 Occasional Reader  Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:45:56am

re: #42 Iron Fist

The only one of any of those that looks interesting is the Underworld sequal. But if it sucks as bad as the last one I'll not really miss anything by missing it.

Other than Kate Beckinsale (sp?) vamping around (pun intended) in that leather/spandex outfit, I saw little to recommend the Underworld flicks.

52 Opinionated  Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:46:02am

Are the phones equipped with Bluetooth for hands-free Jihad?

53 solomonpanting  Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:46:19am
The new initiative is part of the news organization’s development Labs in an effort to reach out to more readers through new media.

Recorded messages come in a variety of voices, from Goebbels to Arafat. Sort of blasts from the past.

54 Creeping Eruption  Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:46:25am

re: #51 Occasional Reader

Other than Kate Beckinsale (sp?) vamping around (pun intended) in that leather/spandex outfit, I saw little to recommend the Underworld flicks.

You need more to recommend it?

55 pegcity  Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:46:34am

makes me feel not so bad for having a modded psp and not buying a single crappy ass game

56 opnion  Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:47:08am

The sad fact is that in general American business is patriotic when it is good for business, but very situational when it comes to revenue.

57 Taqiyyotomist  Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:47:16am

re: #22 Sharmuta

Contact Sony Ericsson

I sent them a note, via the Media Enquiry field, halfway through the page. Sent the same note via the Investor Enquiry and Analyst Enquiry fields:

"The Al Jazeera Network has announced a partnership with Sony Ericsson, where RSS feeds of its news content will be pre-installed on four models of its mobile devices in both the Middle East and North Africa."

Please do not do this. Allying with Jihad for the sake of money is pure evil. This is the network that celebrates child-killers. This is the network which had an on-air birthday party for a child killer, Samir Kuntar, who forced a little girl to watch as he shot her father, then bashed her brains out with a rifle butt. And that's just scratching the surface. Expect to lose a lot of customers. Expect boycotts from the sane in the non-Muslim world. Are you merely abandoning one market in favor of another? Bad descision.

Quotes Charles and jwb7605, yes.
-Taq

58 MandyManners  Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:47:22am

re: #4 Pyrocles

Boycott the Playstation 3!

The Kid already has one, plus the PS2 and two PSP's, and a Guitar Hero for Christmas. Now, what I need to know is if I'm supporting Sony when I buy him more games. Answers?

59 formercorpsman  Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:47:48am

What has crossed my mind over the past couple of years, seems to have an element of truth to it. At least in my own opinion.

For too long, it seems as if the capitalism of the west is losing a conscience. This is truly difficult for me, because I am a staunch capitalist, and proponent of everything antithetical to socialism.

Whether it has been so many banks offering sharia compliant financial products, eliminating things like piggy banks, adding prayer rooms, foot baths, and private businesses caving in to the demands of those who desire not to assimilate as with things like a fitness center.

Anything for the financial gain.

Cicero said it best. "Those who forget the past are damned to repeat it".

We did this once before. The oil producing nations had no idea upon the barrels of which they sat. They had no roads, schools, infrastructure, etc. To say they were centuries behind, well, is an understatement. Western countries poured money into this part of the world.

Again, I will state, I don't have a positive feeling about the future. We are leaving this for our kids to have to face again in the future.

60 Kosh's Shadow  Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:47:52am

re: #52 Opinionated

Are the phones equipped with Bluetooth for hands-free Jihad?

And to work with the new Bluetooth detonators that make it so much easier to set up cellphone-detonated bombs!

61 unrealizedviewpoint  Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:48:16am

Sony is conspiring, actively working with the enemy.
No one notices.
Move along.. move along..

62 vxbush  Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:48:31am

re: #46 Occasional Reader

I think app developers have to agree to certain terms with Apple. But it does appear that the Sony deal is a much closer relationship, true.

Anyway, I *do* like my iPhone.

Sigh. I just get to drool for now.

63 bosforus  Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:48:52am

Think they'll reruns of Israel pounding Hamas?

64 Opinionated  Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:48:56am

re: #47 ThinkRight

Most laptop batteries and ipod batteries are made by sony I think

And ironically some were prone to unexpectedly combust.

Just like Jihadists.

65 [deleted]  Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:48:58am
66 [deleted]  Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:49:26am
67 jwb7605  Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:49:47am

OT:
Follow up from thread(s) yesterday regarding the Bill Richardson resignation.
I just got this e-mail:

I got some feedback from my sister, who is an adamant Democrat. Her friends, many of whom work for the government, lawyers, etc.and are friends from AA, and are really in touch with local politics. There seems to be NO question about Richardson being as crooked as can be, great with a coverup, etc., and her words were "slick bastard". He was drummed out of the position by Obama's people, with the option of his "resignation" rather than truth about the matter. Obama can't have anaother "Pay to Play" situation. The bids awaarded to CDR were sole provider contracts for no valid reason. His appointees were on the boards that enddorsed his sole provider arraangements.

M
68 ThinkRight  Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:50:04am

re: #64 Opinionated

And ironically some were prone to unexpectedly combust.

Just like Jihadists.

LOL
Reverse engineered ?
LOL

69 Salem  Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:50:59am

Well, I'll try to boycott Sony. I was pissed off about my last computer, a Sony Vaio, for sure. Constant problems, regular crashes, no real product support. Boycotting Sony would have been kinda hard a few years ago but they are starting to be a lot less prominent, which seems to coincide with shit like this Jihad-TV deal.

70 Dianna  Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:51:11am

re: #59 formercorpsman

A quibble:

Cicero said it best. "Those who forget the past are damned to repeat it".

Santayana, not Cicero.

71 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:51:52am

re: #59 formercorpsman

Capitalism is amoral. It's up to investors and consumers to push the people who run companies towards ethical conduct. Failing that, the journalists and activists get their say, and the response tends to be increased government control.

72 albusteve  Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:52:18am

re: #67 jwb7605

OT:
Follow up from thread(s) yesterday regarding the Bill Richardson resignation.
I just got this e-mail:

I just read about CDR this morning...same old shit, it's like these guys have it down to a science now...we need to enforce corruption laws in this country..I bet BR skates

73 soccerdad  Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:53:25am

This is a good article from Opinion Journal on the situation facing Israel - quite informing:

Israel's Tragic Gaza Dilemma

74 MandyManners  Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:53:31am

I hate to pester but, I need to know if I'll be supporting Sony when I buy The Kid more PS2/PS3/PSP games. Anyone?

75 Occasional Reader  Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:53:41am

re: #70 Dianna

A quibble:


Santayana, not Cicero.

Was that before or after he did "Black Magic Woman"?

/

76 ThinkRight  Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:54:16am

re: #74 MandyManners

I hate to pester but, I need to know if I'll be supporting Sony when I buy The Kid more PS2/PS3/PSP games. Anyone?

Yes

77 tfc3rid  Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:54:26am

The world we live in is staggering... Where evil is not seen and called out for what it is...

78 albusteve  Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:54:31am

re: #71 Who Watches the Watchmen?

Capitalism is amoral. It's up to investors and consumers to push the people who run companies towards ethical conduct. Failing that, the journalists and activists get their say, and the response tends to be increased government control.

socialists and big money is destroying competition...take it or leave it

79 mollyshark  Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:54:34am

Off my shopping list. Also you know your brain cells are dying off when a quick glance of: Santayana, not Cicero produces Santana, not Crisco.

Sigh.

80 Nevergiveup  Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:54:46am

The United States is determined to thwart any Arab initiative aimed at forcing the UN Security Council to assume a direct role in the Gaza crisis.

Reliable sources at the UN say that the U.S. ambassador to the UN, Zalmay Khalilzad, has received explicit instructions from his superiors at the State Department to torpedo any initiative proposed by the Arab bloc which is designed to grant the Security Council the status of an official arbiter that will have direct involvement with disentangling the Gaza crisis.

[Link: www.haaretz.com...]

14 more days to go.

81 subsailor68  Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:55:08am

OT
Just saw these two articles on Drudge - back to back. The first one is a WSJ take on what's happening up there. The second is - well the title says it all.
Funny Business in Minnesota


Schumer: Senate should seat Minn. Dem. Al Franken

Quite simply, this whole thing is making me sick to my stomach - and doggone it, I don't even live there.

82 formercorpsman  Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:55:17am

re: #70 Dianna

I know it is quoted to him, but IIRC, I took quite a bit of time to research who deserved the quote. I settled on Cicero, but that is another argument for another time.

Santayana is fine with me.

83 MandyManners  Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:55:52am

re: #76 ThinkRight

Yes

Aw, nutz. Just nutz.

84 realwest  Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:56:03am

re: #61 unrealizedviewpoint
No - Charles and LGF notices it; that means in fairly short order it will be know around the blogosphere.

HEY Y'ALL - DON'T FORGET TO BUZZ THIS UP!
And while we're at it, methinks a total boycott of
Sony Ericsson is called for, not just writing to them at the address (link) that Sharmuta so kindly provided at #22 above.

85 Sharmuta  Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:56:18am

re: #74 MandyManners

I hate to pester but, I need to know if I'll be supporting Sony when I buy The Kid more PS2/PS3/PSP games. Anyone?

I think the games are produced by other companies.

86 pegcity  Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:56:19am

re: #81 subsailor68

i was just there, talk about moonbat central, they could become a canadian province and no one would no the difference

87 Wilderstad  Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:56:24am

Per Sharmuta's contact information, if you click for a local website, Americas, they have a handy dandy little customer service survey. In it they ask about your satisfaction level.

88 Taqiyyotomist  Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:56:47am

List of Sony trademarks:
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

You'd have to become Amish to effectively not support Sony.

89 soccerdad  Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:56:54am

re: #67 jwb7605

OT:
Follow up from thread(s) yesterday regarding the Bill Richardson resignation.
I just got this e-mail:
I got some feedback from my sister, who is an adamant Democrat. Her friends, many of whom work for the government, lawyers, etc.and are friends from AA, and are really in touch with local politics. There seems to be NO question about Richardson being as crooked as can be, great with a coverup, etc., and her words were "slick bastard". He was drummed out of the position by Obama's people, with the option of his "resignation" rather than truth about the matter. Obama can't have anaother "Pay to Play" situation. The bids awaarded to CDR were sole provider contracts for no valid reason. His appointees were on the boards that enddorsed his sole provider arraangements.

I smell Bull Shit. Obama's people are the spin artists extraordinaire. Push out or outed my ass! They may have pushed him, but only when they saw that there was a bus on the way down the street headed straight for thier man. OH MY this will be a loooong two years.

90 jwb7605  Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:56:54am

re: #74 MandyManners

I hate to pester but, I need to know if I'll be supporting Sony when I buy The Kid more PS2/PS3/PSP games. Anyone?

Mandy -- you'll be supporting some unsavory company or organization indirectly no matter what you do from gassing up your car, purchasing an appliance, a piece of electronics, or items for a salad

That's why it's referred to as a "global economy".
The only thing you can do is research what percentage of your purchase is going where, and whether you can live with it.

91 Kosh's Shadow  Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:57:29am

re: #85 Sharmuta

I think the games are produced by other companies.

But I believe they have to pay Sony royalties.

92 albusteve  Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:57:42am

re: #75 Occasional Reader

Was that before or after he did "Black Magic Woman"?

/

booo...I even passed on that one...go to lunch :)

93 [deleted]  Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:58:03am
94 Hard Right  Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:58:09am

Don't push the RED BUTTON!

95 realwest  Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:58:11am

re: #28 yma o hyd
"Also contact the big suppliers of Sony Ericsson - like huge supermarket chains."
Um, what? Huge supermarket chains supply Sony Ericsson?

96 formercorpsman  Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:58:28am

re: #71 Who Watches the Watchmen?

I understand the premise, but those involved would indicate the potential gain is in tendem with self preservation to enjoy the benefit.

97 subsailor68  Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:58:33am

re: #86 pegcity

i was just there, talk about moonbat central, they could become a canadian province and no one would no the difference

It just makes me nuts that they can be this blatant. Maybe you've hit on something. Two less morons in the U.S. Senate would be a good thing, and as you say, nobody would know the difference.

:-)

98 jcm  Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:59:10am

re: #71 Who Watches the Watchmen?

Capitalism is amoral. It's up to investors and consumers to push the people who run companies towards ethical conduct. Failing that, the journalists and activists get their say, and the response tends to be increased government control.

A quibble. (small one)

Capitalism is moral. It's founded on the premise that when an entity (indidvidual/coroporate) produces something. Then that something is found useful by others, and the producer gets compensated for the product. That that is profoundly moral. All benefit from the labor, the exchange, and the results.

Socialism is profoundly immoral. It says the producers is not entitled to compensation for the value of the labor. It says compensation is due for merely existing, not producing.

To be able to call socialism immoral, we need the moral alternative. Capitalism is moral.

I understand your point of view, that capitalism is an economic tool and as such tools have no morality, morality is imbued with use by the user. However capitalism is a relationship between individuals, and relationships have morality intrinsic too them.

99 Kragar  Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:59:31am

re: #74 MandyManners

I hate to pester but, I need to know if I'll be supporting Sony when I buy The Kid more PS2/PS3/PSP games. Anyone?

Depends on the game's manufacturer and also the license agreement between them and Sony. Expect some money to head back that way.

100 subsailor68  Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:59:38am

re: #97 subsailor68

Oops...two fewer morons is probably more correct.

101 Oingo Boingo  Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:59:48am

Bought my last Sony product... ever.

102 ThinkRight  Mon, Jan 5, 2009 10:00:03am

re: #83 MandyManners

Aw, nutz. Just nutz.


Voting For Hussein Obama is about the same as supporting terroism.
Fill your tank, listen to music,all the same.
Almost forgot,paying taxes too.

103 summergurl  Mon, Jan 5, 2009 10:01:00am

re: #81 subsailor68

OT
Just saw these two articles on Drudge - back to back. The first one is a WSJ take on what's happening up there. The second is - well the title says it all.
Funny Business in Minnesota


Schumer: Senate should seat Minn. Dem. Al Franken

Quite simply, this whole thing is making me sick to my stomach - and doggone it, I don't even live there.


I agree. Neal Boortz was going over all of the issues from counting hand ballots in one district than counting machine ballots in another, to not marking ballots as duplicates and thus over counting, it was an atrocity. If I were a Minnesota citizen I would call for a re-vote.

104 realwest  Mon, Jan 5, 2009 10:01:10am

re: #88 Taqiyyotomist
Holy Crap!

105 [deleted]  Mon, Jan 5, 2009 10:01:34am
106 FrogMarch  Mon, Jan 5, 2009 10:01:59am

re: #81 subsailor68

OT
Just saw these two articles on Drudge - back to back. The first one is a WSJ take on what's happening up there. The second is - well the title says it all.
Funny Business in Minnesota

from the article.

"[Franken] benefited both ways from the board's inconsistency."

107 MandyManners  Mon, Jan 5, 2009 10:02:05am

re: #90 jwb7605

Mandy -- you'll be supporting some unsavory company or organization indirectly no matter what you do from gassing up your car, purchasing an appliance, a piece of electronics, or items for a salad

That's why it's referred to as a "global economy".
The only thing you can do is research what percentage of your purchase is going where, and whether you can live with it.

That's kinda' what I think but, it rankles the hell out of me.

108 jwb7605  Mon, Jan 5, 2009 10:02:24am

re: #93 ploome hineni

would CDR know about this?

I don't know the first thing about CDR, and can't comment.
Here's an article which I'd not seen regarding the mess, though.

109 yma o hyd  Mon, Jan 5, 2009 10:02:37am

re: #95 realwest

"Also contact the big suppliers of Sony Ericsson - like huge supermarket chains."
Um, what? Huge supermarket chains supply Sony Ericsson?

Yep, they do here in the UK, with all the groceries and so forth.
A bit like an up-market Wall-Mart.

110 [deleted]  Mon, Jan 5, 2009 10:02:41am
111 MandyManners  Mon, Jan 5, 2009 10:02:44am

re: #91 Kosh's Shadow

But I believe they have to pay Sony royalties.

The games are licensed with Sony but, I don't find that on the Guitar Hero's software box thingy.

112 subsailor68  Mon, Jan 5, 2009 10:02:54am

re: #98 jcm

I think you're right. In a capitalistic system, no deal is completed until both parties agree. In that sense, each party has decided the agreement benefits him (or her). Can't see anything immoral about that.

(Yeah, I know people sometimes decide after the fact that they got shafted, but that's their fault.)

113 vxbush  Mon, Jan 5, 2009 10:03:11am

re: #103 summergurl

I agree. Neal Boortz was going over all of the issues from counting hand ballots in one district than counting machine ballots in another, to not marking ballots as duplicates and thus over counting, it was an atrocity. If I were a Minnesota citizen I would call for a re-vote.

Is anyone complaining up there besides Coleman and a few intripid bloggers? I have heard nary a peep--but then, the MSM wouldn't give any word to it if they could avoid it, methinks.

114 Bob Dillon  Mon, Jan 5, 2009 10:03:22am

re: #22 Sharmuta

Contact Sony Ericsson

I wonder if they screen for negative words.

[Link: www.sonyericsson.com...]

Anyone get a confirmation on their email comment?

115 MandyManners  Mon, Jan 5, 2009 10:04:00am

re: #99 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

Depends on the game's manufacturer and also the license agreement between them and Sony. Expect some money to head back that way.

I've been looking at the boxes. I've found most are licensed with Sony.

116 unrealizedviewpoint  Mon, Jan 5, 2009 10:04:05am

re: #84 realwest

No - Charles and LGF notices it; that means in fairly short order it will be know around the blogosphere.

Sorry. Maybe I'm not as optimistic as you. This ain't a jihad scarf (easily seen and understood), wrapping some doughnut eating chic drinking weak coffee. This is SONY, a producer of a zillion products. It'll take an awful lot of noise...

117 jwb7605  Mon, Jan 5, 2009 10:04:09am

re: #101 Oingo Boingo

Bought my last Sony product... ever.

No you haven't.
You may have purchased the last Sony branded product.
If you purchase anything with a laser in it (CD player, recorder), there's a better than even chance that the heart of the product was made by Sony.

118 Occasional Reader  Mon, Jan 5, 2009 10:04:17am

re: #112 subsailor68

Yeah, I know people sometimes decide after the fact that they got shafted

I hear that "shafted" is one bad mother...

119 subsailor68  Mon, Jan 5, 2009 10:04:22am

re: #106 FrogMarch

OT
Just saw these two articles on Drudge - back to back. The first one is a WSJ take on what's happening up there. The second is - well the title says it all.
Funny Business in Minnesota

from the article.

Man, you hit the nail on the head! That's the money quote isn't it?

120 FrogMarch  Mon, Jan 5, 2009 10:04:40am

re: #106 FrogMarch

OT
Just saw these two articles on Drudge - back to back. The first one is a WSJ take on what's happening up there. The second is - well the title says it all.
Funny Business in Minnesota

from the article.

and..

Minnesotans like to think that their state isn't like New Jersey or Louisiana, and typically it isn't. But we can't recall a similar recount involving optical scanning machines that has changed so many votes, and in which nearly every crucial decision worked to the advantage of the same candidate. The Coleman campaign clearly misjudged the politics here, and the apparent willingness of a partisan like Mr. Ritchie to help his preferred candidate, Mr. Franken. If the Canvassing Board certifies Mr. Franken as the winner based on the current count, it will be anointing a tainted and undeserving Senator.

121 MandyManners  Mon, Jan 5, 2009 10:04:52am

re: #102 ThinkRight

Voting For Hussein Obama is about the same as supporting terroism.
Fill your tank, listen to music,all the same.
Almost forgot,paying taxes too.

Like I needed any warm-fuzzies today!

122 Kragar  Mon, Jan 5, 2009 10:05:00am

U.S. to foil any Arab bid to push Security Council resolution for Gaza cease-fire

Reliable sources at the UN say that the U.S. ambassador to the UN, Zalmay Khalilzad, has received explicit instructions from his superiors at the State Department to torpedo any initiative proposed by the Arab bloc which is designed to grant the Security Council the status of an official arbiter that will have direct involvement with disentangling the Gaza crisis.

123 formercorpsman  Mon, Jan 5, 2009 10:05:04am

re: #110 Iron Fist

I don't like to think how it might be.

I had to remind someone not so long ago, spilling the usual bullshit about the world liking us, that the first attempt to take down the towers was in 1993.

As well, they seemed to hate in 1979 also.

124 Nevergiveup  Mon, Jan 5, 2009 10:05:11am

re: #114 Bobibutu

I wonder if they screen for negative words.

[Link: www.sonyericsson.com...]

Anyone get a confirmation on their email comment?

Yes I did, with a confirmation number also. Can't wait for a real response?

125 Occasional Reader  Mon, Jan 5, 2009 10:05:54am

Lunchtime. Later.

126 [deleted]  Mon, Jan 5, 2009 10:06:00am
127 subsailor68  Mon, Jan 5, 2009 10:06:13am

re: #118 Occasional Reader

I hear that "shafted" is one bad mother...

LOL! "Shut yo mouth!"

128 SummerSong  Mon, Jan 5, 2009 10:06:23am

In that case,

I am finished with Sony, no baloney.

129 summergurl  Mon, Jan 5, 2009 10:06:32am

re: #107 MandyManners

That's kinda' what I think but, it rankles the hell out of me.


It irks me too Mandy. That is why we need to make wise choices when purchasing products or services. China may have more pull with them nowadays anyhow.. And did you see how many cel phones were taking pics of the demonstrations in Gaza? I noticed that right off - cell phones everywhere snapping pics of the fires and gatherings. No money for friggin' shoes put there was plenty of cell phones.

130 CyanSnowHawk  Mon, Jan 5, 2009 10:06:53am

re: #58 MandyManners

The Kid already has one, plus the PS2 and two PSP's, and a Guitar Hero for Christmas. Now, what I need to know is if I'm supporting Sony when I buy him more games. Answers?

Unfortunately yes. That is the economic model for most consoles now. Sell the hardware at a loss and make it up with licensing fees on the games.

131 albusteve  Mon, Jan 5, 2009 10:07:12am

I understand the sentiment here not to support Sony and it's a righteous attitude...the conundrum for me would be where do I draw the line...doing business with the Chinese?....Cuban cigars?...how does one avoid moral quivalence judgements every time you buy something...jus askin

132 Bob Dillon  Mon, Jan 5, 2009 10:07:17am

re: #124 Nevergiveup

Yes I did, with a confirmation number also. Can't wait for a real response?

Thx - I'll hit it again.

133 MandyManners  Mon, Jan 5, 2009 10:07:30am

re: #129 summergurl

It irks me too Mandy. That is why we need to make wise choices when purchasing products or services. China may have more pull with them nowadays anyhow.. And did you see how many cel phones were taking pics of the demonstrations in Gaza? I noticed that right off - cell phones everywhere snapping pics of the fires and gatherings. No money for friggin' shoes put there was plenty of cell phones.

If I don't watch myself, I'll sink into the megrims.

134 summergurl  Mon, Jan 5, 2009 10:07:51am

re: #112 subsailor68


One choice I have made is not to buy Citgo gas - none of my money is ending up in Hugo's pocket...

but that's just me

135 Bloodnok  Mon, Jan 5, 2009 10:07:52am

Is it me or does the guy in the pic above remind you of the guy on the Pringles can? Just me? Okay.

136 jwb7605  Mon, Jan 5, 2009 10:08:04am

re: #128 SummerSong

In that case,

I am finished with Sony, no baloney.

Bet me.

137 realwest  Mon, Jan 5, 2009 10:08:14am

re: #109 yma o hyd
Ah, gotcha - forgot you were in GB for a minute!

138 jcm  Mon, Jan 5, 2009 10:08:19am

re: #112 subsailor68

I think you're right. In a capitalistic system, no deal is completed until both parties agree. In that sense, each party has decided the agreement benefits him (or her). Can't see anything immoral about that.

(Yeah, I know people sometimes decide after the fact that they got shafted, but that's their fault.)

In the ideal system, no one would be looking to "screw" anyone else. That not being the case, since someone is always looking to sell some snake oil a method of recourse to punish the transgressor in the system is needed.

Capitalism has to be ordered, and individual actors held to account. But that's a far cry from the FDA issuing a 38 page document on the size, distribution and quantity of holes in Swiss cheese.

139 Nevergiveup  Mon, Jan 5, 2009 10:08:49am

re: #134 summergurl

One choice I have made is not to buy Citgo gas - none of my money is ending up in Hugo's pocket...

but that's just me

Neither do I. I also do not buy Lukol, so I don't support that commie bastard Putin either.

140 yma o hyd  Mon, Jan 5, 2009 10:08:53am

Do yer buzz-ups, kindly pleeeease!

141 summergurl  Mon, Jan 5, 2009 10:09:00am

re: #113 vxbush

Is anyone complaining up there besides Coleman and a few intripid bloggers? I have heard nary a peep--but then, the MSM wouldn't give any word to it if they could avoid it, methinks.

All I have heard is if the State certifies him, then the GOP is going to sue.

142 Kragar  Mon, Jan 5, 2009 10:09:07am

re: #130 CyanSnowHawk

Unfortunately yes. That is the economic model for most consoles now. Sell the hardware at a loss and make it up with licensing fees on the games.

Same model as DVD, VCRs, and any sort of player. People are only going to buy the one device, but will need the media to play on it.

143 yma o hyd  Mon, Jan 5, 2009 10:09:41am

re: #137 realwest

Ah, gotcha - forgot you were in GB for a minute!

:-)))

144 Desert Dog  Mon, Jan 5, 2009 10:10:17am

Sony is not alone. There are thousands of corporations doing stuff just like this. They can somehow compartmentalize the bad stuff from the money. Unfortunately, we will have to boycott and not use many, many, many things if we wish to not do business with people that deal with unsavory groups and individuals. Every time you gas up your car, where does that come from? Banks are up to their eyeballs with deals with the Saudis and the UAE, and we all know who they support.

It is frustrating to deal with these facts, but that is the world we live in today. Profits over people, money over morals, that is the way things are done these days....

145 subsailor68  Mon, Jan 5, 2009 10:10:24am

re: #138 jcm

In the ideal system, no one would be looking to "screw" anyone else. That not being the case, since someone is always looking to sell some snake oil a method of recourse to punish the transgressor in the system is needed.

Capitalism has to be ordered, and individual actors held to account. But that's a far cry from the FDA issuing a 38 page document on the size, distribution and quantity of holes in Swiss cheese.

But, but...was the FDA concerned about the quality of the cheese, or the holes?

:-)

146 FrogMarch  Mon, Jan 5, 2009 10:11:18am

re: #119 subsailor68

Man, you hit the nail on the head! That's the money quote isn't it?

"[Franken] benefited both ways from the board's inconsistency."


The fix was in from the beginning. the democrats knew they were going to do whatever they needed to do to rip it away from Coleman.

147 Kosh's Shadow  Mon, Jan 5, 2009 10:11:37am

re: #122 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

U.S. to foil any Arab bid to push Security Council resolution for Gaza cease-fire

Thank you, GWB. You have restored your legacy.
And Israel better get the job done before the 20th.

148 Taqiyyotomist  Mon, Jan 5, 2009 10:11:51am

If you think you've bought your last Sony product...

There's also, Sony Pictures Entertainment, including:
Columbia Tri-Star Motion Picture Group:
-Columbia Pictures
-Tri-Star Pictures
-Screen Gems
-many more

Mandalay Entertainment (partial interest)

MGM Holdings (20%), which includes MGM Studios, MGM Pictures, United Artists, and Orion Pictures.

You like music, you say?
Sony also owns:
Columbia Records, Epic Records, Legacy Recordings, Sony BMG Masterworks, Sony BMG Nashville, Zomba Label Group.

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

Like I said, you'd have to become Amish, or a Luddite, to avoid business with Sony, directly or indirectly.

149 Nevergiveup  Mon, Jan 5, 2009 10:11:59am

re: #147 Kosh's Shadow

Thank you, GWB. You have restored your legacy.
And Israel better get the job done before the 20th.

14 days

150 MandyManners  Mon, Jan 5, 2009 10:12:12am

re: #130 CyanSnowHawk

Unfortunately yes. That is the economic model for most consoles now. Sell the hardware at a loss and make it up with licensing fees on the games.

He has about 40 PS2/3 games and about 10 PSP's so he has enough. The catch is, he's into Madden football, the NBA and MLB. I'm glad I chose the Satellite over the Vaio for his lap-top for Christmas. I'd get a refund if I had chosen the latter.

151 ThinkRight  Mon, Jan 5, 2009 10:12:27am

re: #147 Kosh's Shadow

Thank you, GWB. You have restored your legacy.
And Israel better get the job done before the 20th.


The Big 0 will fix the ME

152 Silhouette  Mon, Jan 5, 2009 10:12:35am

re: #145 subsailor68

But, but...was the FDA concerned about the quality of the cheese, or the holes?

:-)

Our holes are 100% pure American air, guaranteed by the US government. Thank you, big brother.

153 yma o hyd  Mon, Jan 5, 2009 10:12:53am

Brief update from The Muqata:

'8:06 PM Massive fighting going in Northern Gaza. Artillery, helicopters, tank fire. Like a scene out of Star Wars.

8:01 PM Israel Foreign Ministry announces that Gaza Strip hospitals are being utilized as Hamas Operational Centers'

154 Desert Dog  Mon, Jan 5, 2009 10:13:01am

re: #146 FrogMarch

The Dems in the Senate will seat that asshole too.....ASAP Once that is done, I think there's no turning back, yes? They should redo the entire election, this one is contaminated.

155 realwest  Mon, Jan 5, 2009 10:13:33am

re: #116 unrealizedviewpoint OK - So let's make a LOT OF NOISE.
Start as I said in my #84 by contacting Sony, then buzz this sucker up.
Then e-mail a link to this to everyone you know and especially the media outlets (I've just e-mailed the "headline" and link to Fox).
Just because we have to make a lot of noise doesn't mean we CAN'T OR SHOULDN'T.

156 albusteve  Mon, Jan 5, 2009 10:13:42am

re: #144 Desert Dog

Sony is not alone. There are thousands of corporations doing stuff just like this. They can somehow compartmentalize the bad stuff from the money. Unfortunately, we will have to boycott and not use many, many, many things if we wish to not do business with people that deal with unsavory groups and individuals. Every time you gas up your car, where does that come from? Banks are up to their eyeballs with deals with the Saudis and the UAE, and we all know who they support.

It is frustrating to deal with these facts, but that is the world we live in today. Profits over people, money over morals, that is the way things are done these days....

true...the only commodity I can think of that is controlled from the field to the showroom is the diamond trade...every part of that racket goes straight back to DeBeers or whoever they are now

157 ciaospirit  Mon, Jan 5, 2009 10:13:49am

Sorry to OT so soon, but check out whose values will be taught to the Obama children. The value system of the "Eyes Wide Open" anti-war, other cultures can do no wrong, religious group. I would mostly call them anti-American.

"Organic lunches, Quaker values await Obamas at new school"

158 subsailor68  Mon, Jan 5, 2009 10:13:50am

re: #146 FrogMarch

The fix was in from the beginning. the democrats knew they were going to do whatever they needed to do to rip it away from Coleman.

I do believe you're right. This stealing elections stuff has just got to stop. In my dreams, I see these bastards caught with their hands in the cookie jar, and are sent off to the gray bar hotel.

(I know, I'm a dreamer for sure.)

159 Silhouette  Mon, Jan 5, 2009 10:14:19am

re: #153 yma o hyd

Like a scene out of Star Wars.

Gaza is always like the bar scene.

160 jcm  Mon, Jan 5, 2009 10:14:30am

re: #145 subsailor68

But, but...was the FDA concerned about the quality of the cheese, or the holes?

:-)


The United States Department of Agriculture (USDA) this week announced an amendent to the regulations surrounding Swiss cheese. The changes will increase the allowable eye size range in Grade A Swiss cheese and define an allowable eye size range in Grade B Swiss cheese; remove the block height recommendation for cheeses produced in rindless blocks; add more clarity to the color requirements for grades A and B Swiss cheese; correct minor errors that currently exist in the tables; and make minor editorial changes that will make the standard more uniform in appearance and easier to use. The changes are effective from February 22, 2001.

It's make work for bureaucraps who wouldn't know how to make cheese if you threw them in the brine.

161 vxbush  Mon, Jan 5, 2009 10:14:37am

We could simply agree to boycott items that directly have Sony in the same.

162 unrealizedviewpoint  Mon, Jan 5, 2009 10:14:53am

re: #144 Desert Dog

Sony is not alone. There are thousands of corporations doing stuff just like this. They can somehow compartmentalize the bad stuff from the money. Unfortunately, we will have to boycott and not use many, many, many things if we wish to not do business with people that deal with unsavory groups and individuals. Every time you gas up your car, where does that come from? Banks are up to their eyeballs with deals with the Saudis and the UAE, and we all know who they support.

It is frustrating to deal with these facts, but that is the world we live in today. Profits over people, money over morals, that is the way things are done these days....

O'Reilly has been bitching about GE for a year doing business with the Iranians. Started as a squabble between he an Olbermann. My point is - who's really not buying GE?

163 jwb7605  Mon, Jan 5, 2009 10:15:01am

re: #156 albusteve

true...the only commodity I can think of that is controlled from the field to the showroom is the diamond trade...every part of that racket goes straight back to DeBeers or whoever they are now

Sorry.
I watched a History Channel program on diamonds.
Apparently about 30% now goes directly to the Russians.

/hope that makes you feel better ...

164 Kosh's Shadow  Mon, Jan 5, 2009 10:15:15am

re: #157 ciaospirit

Sorry to OT so soon, but check out whose values will be taught to the Obama children. The value system of the "Eyes Wide Open" anti-war, other cultures can do no wrong, religious group. I would mostly call them anti-American.

"Organic lunches, Quaker values await Obamas at new school"

And how will that be different from what they get at home?

165 subsailor68  Mon, Jan 5, 2009 10:15:19am

re: #152 Silhouette

Our holes are 100% pure American air, guaranteed by the US government. Thank you, big brother.

Oh really? Let's see what the EPA has to say about that!

:-)

166 Opinionated  Mon, Jan 5, 2009 10:16:35am

I tune to CNN once every several hours and every single time - except once- they were interviewing a pro- terrorist speaker.

To anyone who watches CNN more regularly, is it my imagination or is their presentation, you know, disproportionate?

167 SummerSong  Mon, Jan 5, 2009 10:16:41am

re: #136 jwb7605

Bet me.

Thank goodness you are here to set us all straight, jwb....and not just once.

168 Nevergiveup  Mon, Jan 5, 2009 10:16:58am

re: #166 Opinionated

I tune to CNN once every several hours and every single time - except once- they were interviewing a pro- terrorist speaker.

To anyone who watches CNN more regularly, is it my imagination or is their presentation, you know, disproportionate?

No more so than the BBC?

169 Kosh's Shadow  Mon, Jan 5, 2009 10:17:01am

re: #163 jwb7605

Sorry.
I watched a History Channel program on diamonds.
Apparently about 30% now goes directly to the Russians.

/hope that makes you feel better ...

Buy the Canadian diamonds. They only support ice road truckers.

170 albusteve  Mon, Jan 5, 2009 10:17:04am

re: #163 jwb7605

Sorry.
I watched a History Channel program on diamonds.
Apparently about 30% now goes directly to the Russians.

/hope that makes you feel better ...

oh well...the Russians...

171 lawhawk  Mon, Jan 5, 2009 10:17:24am

Ah, the joys of an uninterested media.

Reporting statements without questioning the source.

First, AP states:

At least 14 Palestinian children were killed on Monday, raising the known Palestinian death toll from the 10-day onslaught to 540 — including 200 civilians, the U.N. and Palestinian officials said. Gaza's biggest hospital said it was overwhelmed.

Then, it states:

The Israeli army said "dozens" of militants have been killed or wounded, but Hamas has not released casualty figures. A Palstinian health official said 80 people — including 70 civilians — have died since the ground invasion began, fueling international outrage.

If the second guy is accurate, that's some genocide ISrael is carrying out - 80 out of 1.4 million living in Gaza. If the first part is accurate, that 540 were killed, why include the second quip, especially since it's out of tune, unless the writer was specifcally hoping to latch the 70 civilians killed out of 80 reported deaths - to claim that Israel is targeting civilians.

It's that latter bit that I see loud and clear.

The headline includes its own bias, ignoring that it is up to Hamas to have a ceasefire. Hamas must stop attacking Israel and disarm, in order for Israel to stop, but as we all know, Hamas can't help itself.

172 Jinx  Mon, Jan 5, 2009 10:17:33am

OT:

Not only guns and ammo, but stock up on beef.

Call this one of the newest and innovative the ways your government has come up with to battle greenhouse gas emissions.

Indirectly it could be considered a cheeseburger tax, but one of the suggestions offered by the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) in its Advance Notice of Proposed Rulemaking (ANPR) for regulating greenhouse gas emissions under the Clean Air Act is to levy a tax on livestock.

The ANPR, released early this year, would give the EPA the authority to regulate greenhouse gas for not only greenhouse gas from manmade sources like transportation and industry, but also “stationary” sources which would include livestock.

These radical enviro-extremists need to be stopped. Unfortunately, with the solid control democrats have, there are few ways to stop the excessive taxation and ridiculous means to enforce the global warming agenda. Along with ethanol (corn) driving the price of feed up and this idiotic policy we're going to see a drastic spike in the price of all things bovine--dairy, meat, leather, etc. The idiots that come up with these schemes don't realize how regressive their taxation policies are. This will hurt the poor much more as it will drive the price of milk up considerably.

Change!

173 yma o hyd  Mon, Jan 5, 2009 10:17:51am

re: #160 jcm

The United States Department of Agriculture (USDA) this week announced an amendent to the regulations surrounding Swiss cheese. The changes will increase the allowable eye size range in Grade A Swiss cheese and define an allowable eye size range in Grade B Swiss cheese; remove the block height recommendation for cheeses produced in rindless blocks; add more clarity to the color requirements for grades A and B Swiss cheese; correct minor errors that currently exist in the tables; and make minor editorial changes that will make the standard more uniform in appearance and easier to use. The changes are effective from February 22, 2001.

It's make work for bureaucraps who wouldn't know how to make cheese if you threw them in the brine.

But ... but .... have they asked the Swiss cheesemakers for permission? You know, the ones who also make watches and chocolates? In the Alps?

174 Silhouette  Mon, Jan 5, 2009 10:18:12am

re: #165 subsailor68

Oh really? Let's see what the EPA has to say about that!

:-)

"Pure" qualifies American, not air. The air isn't clean necessarily, but it is all American, with no Canadian or Mexican air mixed in.

Guarantee void if cheese is eaten outside the country or too near the border in a high prevaling wind.

175 [deleted]  Mon, Jan 5, 2009 10:18:14am
176 subsailor68  Mon, Jan 5, 2009 10:18:23am

re: #160 jcm

The United States Department of Agriculture (USDA) this week announced an amendent to the regulations surrounding Swiss cheese. The changes will increase the allowable eye size range in Grade A Swiss cheese and define an allowable eye size range in Grade B Swiss cheese; remove the block height recommendation for cheeses produced in rindless blocks; add more clarity to the color requirements for grades A and B Swiss cheese; correct minor errors that currently exist in the tables; and make minor editorial changes that will make the standard more uniform in appearance and easier to use. The changes are effective from February 22, 2001.

It's make work for bureaucraps who wouldn't know how to make cheese if you threw them in the brine.

They should have titled that stupid piece of regulation "Watch on the Brine".

177 unrealizedviewpoint  Mon, Jan 5, 2009 10:18:26am

re: #155 realwest

OK - So let's make a LOT OF NOISE.
Start as I said in my #84 by contacting Sony, then buzz this sucker up.
Then e-mail a link to this to everyone you know and especially the media outlets (I've just e-mailed the "headline" and link to Fox).
Just because we have to make a lot of noise doesn't mean we CAN'T OR SHOULDN'T.

Agreed!
They'll be a new thread soon enough.. a new injustice to bitch about.. see ya there.

178 realwest  Mon, Jan 5, 2009 10:18:29am

re: #109 yma o hyd
Hey {yma} could y'all send me an e-mail please?

179 Wilderstad  Mon, Jan 5, 2009 10:18:37am

I filled out their survey and dropped them an Email. Are there enough ticked off voices? Let's see what happens.

180 [deleted]  Mon, Jan 5, 2009 10:19:09am
181 Kragar  Mon, Jan 5, 2009 10:20:12am

re: #159 Silhouette

Gaza is always like the bar scene.

I always thought Gaza was more like this.

Youtube Video
182 Taqiyyotomist  Mon, Jan 5, 2009 10:20:19am

"You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy."
-Obi-Wan Kenobi, Star Wars (1977)

This is apt for Gaza.

183 onlinegangsta  Mon, Jan 5, 2009 10:20:39am

And for our friends in Neuva Jersey-

[Link: www.northjersey.com...]

The governor's immigration advisory panel this week is expected to consider recommendations that the state allow undocumented immigrants to drive with a special "driver privilege card" and to attend college at in-state tuition rates, two Hispanic leaders say.

We're sooo slipping and sliding into a 3rd world status.

184 apachegunner  Mon, Jan 5, 2009 10:21:08am

Hello from the Charlotte Douglas Airport RW, good to seeya. re: #178 realwest

185 avanti  Mon, Jan 5, 2009 10:21:09am

re: #131 albusteve

I understand the sentiment here not to support Sony and it's a righteous attitude...the conundrum for me would be where do I draw the line...doing business with the Chinese?....Cuban cigars?...how does one avoid moral quivalence judgements every time you buy something...jus askin

Sony made a business decision to support their bottom line. They may lose a few bucks from a boycott, but will pickup more in the Arab market. A boycott will have about the same effect as those from the American Family association against business's that advertise in gay magazines or say Happy Holidays and not Merry Christmas.
Corporations pay more attention to their profit compass then a moral one.

186 yma o hyd  Mon, Jan 5, 2009 10:21:33am

re: #172 Jinx

OT:

Not only guns and ammo, but stock up on beef.

These radical enviro-extremists need to be stopped. Unfortunately, with the solid control democrats have, there are few ways to stop the excessive taxation and ridiculous means to enforce the global warming agenda. Along with ethanol (corn) driving the price of feed up and this idiotic policy we're going to see a drastic spike in the price of all things bovine--dairy, meat, leather, etc. The idiots that come up with these schemes don't realize how regressive their taxation policies are. This will hurt the poor much more as it will drive the price of milk up considerably.

Change!

Heh.
FDR did that, so why shouldn't B0 do it as well?

(Regressive taxation policies, that is - not taxing cow farts - they didn't know betetr in FDR's days, or he'd done that, too!)
/

187 unrealizedviewpoint  Mon, Jan 5, 2009 10:21:43am

re: #160 jcm

The United States Department of Agriculture (USDA) this week announced an amendent to the regulations surrounding Swiss cheese. The changes will increase the allowable eye size range in Grade A Swiss cheese and define an allowable eye size range in Grade B Swiss cheese; remove the block height recommendation for cheeses produced in rindless blocks; add more clarity to the color requirements for grades A and B Swiss cheese; correct minor errors that currently exist in the tables; and make minor editorial changes that will make the standard more uniform in appearance and easier to use. The changes are effective from February 22, 2001.

It's make work for bureaucraps who wouldn't know how to make cheese if you threw them in the brine.

This story is full of holes.

188 subsailor68  Mon, Jan 5, 2009 10:21:57am

re: #174 Silhouette

"Pure" qualifies American, not air. The air isn't clean necessarily, but it is all American, with no Canadian or Mexican air mixed in.

Guarantee void if cheese is eaten outside the country or too near the border in a high prevaling wind.

Ahh! Good point. I live in Texas. How far from the border do I need to be to make certain I'm not polluting my cheese holes with Mexican air?

189 Honorary Yooper  Mon, Jan 5, 2009 10:22:00am

re: #182 Taqiyyotomist

"You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy."
-Obi-Wan Kenobi, Star Wars (1977)

This is apt for Gaza.

Works just as well for the Chicago City Council.

190 jwb7605  Mon, Jan 5, 2009 10:22:13am

re: #167 SummerSong

Thank goodness you are here to set us all straight, jwb....and not just once.

I just pointed to the link that has the cool stuff for DVD players.
If you'd like, I can post links for stuff like MRI machines, blood-gas equipment, and sever other medical devices we need that do absolutely contribute to saving lives.
(I used to work for this company, wrote software for a laser eye-surgery device which was sold to an Australian firm. Controller was developed by U.S. employees, used a Sony diode as the heart of the system.)

191 albusteve  Mon, Jan 5, 2009 10:22:17am

re: #180 ploome hineni

MUST SEE

thanks for that...really

192 realwest  Mon, Jan 5, 2009 10:24:14am

re: #177 unrealizedviewpoint That's the Spirit that made America great!
/

193 [deleted]  Mon, Jan 5, 2009 10:24:20am
194 yma o hyd  Mon, Jan 5, 2009 10:24:26am

re: #178 realwest

Hey {yma} could y'all send me an e-mail please?

Done, just now!

195 Nevergiveup  Mon, Jan 5, 2009 10:24:47am

re: #183 onlinegangsta

And for our friends in Neuva Jersey-

[Link: www.northjersey.com...]

We're sooo slipping and sliding into a 3rd world status.

Gee and I thought it couldn't get any worse here in Joosey?

196 [deleted]  Mon, Jan 5, 2009 10:24:57am
197 avanti  Mon, Jan 5, 2009 10:25:09am

re: #171 lawhawk

One quote is total dead, the other since the ground attact. I think that explains the difference.

198 albusteve  Mon, Jan 5, 2009 10:25:15am

re: #185 avanti

Sony made a business decision to support their bottom line. They may lose a few bucks from a boycott, but will pickup more in the Arab market. A boycott will have about the same effect as those from the American Family association against business's that advertise in gay magazines or say Happy Holidays and not Merry Christmas.
Corporations pay more attention to their profit compass then a moral one.

of course they do...that's why I discount idology when I buy something...but not every time...I dont consider myself a hypocrit for taking care of myself first

199 Taqiyyotomist  Mon, Jan 5, 2009 10:25:15am

re: #189 Honorary Yooper

Indeed. Or the Governments of Detroit, New Orleans, Philadelphia, Benton Harbor, MI, and every other Democrat-run voteslave 'hood.

200 Hard Right  Mon, Jan 5, 2009 10:25:19am

re: #81 subsailor68

OT
Just saw these two articles on Drudge - back to back. The first one is a WSJ take on what's happening up there. The second is - well the title says it all.
Funny Business in Minnesota


Schumer: Senate should seat Minn. Dem. Al Franken

Quite simply, this whole thing is making me sick to my stomach - and doggone it, I don't even live there.

It is disgusting. More votes than voters...

201 SummerSong  Mon, Jan 5, 2009 10:25:21am

re: #190 jwb7605

I just pointed to the link that has the cool stuff for DVD players.
If you'd like, I can post links for stuff like MRI machines, blood-gas equipment, and sever other medical devices we need that do absolutely contribute to saving lives.
(I used to work for this company, wrote software for a laser eye-surgery device which was sold to an Australian firm. Controller was developed by U.S. employees, used a Sony diode as the heart of the system.)

It might be more helpful if you could point to like items that are not tied to Sony Ericsson?

202 jcm  Mon, Jan 5, 2009 10:25:38am

re: #175 Iron Fist

Amen, brother! I've spent basically my entire life hearing the Mohammedans chant "Death to America!", and trying to bring it to us. The only thing that's kept the Mohammedans from nuking us is the fact that they don't have the nukes to do it. Pakistan might could deliver a small weapon, but W apparently gave Mussharef the Facts of Life speech, and Pakistan hasn't seen fit to release a weapon to the Jihadis yet.

That could change, or Iran could develop their own weapons to use against us. MAD doesn't deter a nation of suicide bombers. Given the way Short Shit pontificates, Iran might see their own nuclear annihilation as a feature, and not a bug.

Scary doesn't come close, really.

Annihilation is preferable to short shit. Armageddon will bring back the Mahdi the 12th Imam. That is a goal achievable by a nuclear armed Islamic State. A goal repeatedly stated by short shit.

Nightmare stuff. And a POTUS who thinks talking rationally with the irrational will achieve something. Night terror stuff.

203 albusteve  Mon, Jan 5, 2009 10:25:50am

re: #193 ploome hineni

172 Jinx

OT:

you may not believe this, but after a few weeks without beef, you don;t much miss it

and, if I do eat beef now....I feel awful, stuffed, heavy and get bloated

our beef is so processed with hormones and antibiotics

I wear leather underwear...so now what?

204 realwest  Mon, Jan 5, 2009 10:25:52am

re: #184 apachegunner
Hey Guns! Are we just passing through or are you in Charlotte for a while?!

205 Nevergiveup  Mon, Jan 5, 2009 10:25:54am

re: #196 ploome hineni

actually brought a tear to my eye

I saw that when it first came out. It's to bad Budweiser doesn't run it anymore on TV.

206 CyanSnowHawk  Mon, Jan 5, 2009 10:26:33am

re: #115 MandyManners

I've been looking at the boxes. I've found most are licensed with Sony.

Sony requires a license for any software that runs on the PS hardware. It's exceptionally expensive to develop for game consoles in general and Sony in particular, given their long standing popularity, Sony can pretty much dictate the terms of the license. The Nintendo Wii has cut into that however, and seriously hit Sony's bottom line in the console market.

207 [deleted]  Mon, Jan 5, 2009 10:26:44am
208 reine.de.tout  Mon, Jan 5, 2009 10:27:19am

re: #196 ploome hineni

actually brought a tear to my eye

Mine, too.
It was beautiful

209 MandyManners  Mon, Jan 5, 2009 10:27:46am

re: #180 ploome hineni

MUST SEE

I don't drink beer but, I'm tempted to buy some Bud just because.

Oh, heck, I will buy a can. They deserve our support the same way Sony doesn't.

210 yma o hyd  Mon, Jan 5, 2009 10:27:47am

re: #193 ploome hineni

172 Jinx

OT:

you may not believe this, but after a few weeks without beef, you don;t much miss it

and, if I do eat beef now....I feel awful, stuffed, heavy and get bloated

our beef is so processed with hormones and antibiotics

Thats true!

Mind, a nice (and quite expensive!) cut of beef, once or twice a year, from a butcher you trust, and who can tell you from which farm that animal originallly came from - thats wonderful! And worth it.

211 [deleted]  Mon, Jan 5, 2009 10:28:09am
212 subsailor68  Mon, Jan 5, 2009 10:28:10am

re: #200 Hard Right

It is disgusting. More votes than voters...

Exactly! How the hell can anyone try to justify that. "Gee, 200 registered voters, 358 votes counted." It makes no sense at all.

213 MandyManners  Mon, Jan 5, 2009 10:28:36am

re: #187 unrealizedviewpoint

This story is full of holes.

Rye, you--don't be such a ham.

214 [deleted]  Mon, Jan 5, 2009 10:28:39am
215 ciaospirit  Mon, Jan 5, 2009 10:28:40am

re: #164 Kosh's Shadow

And how will that be different from what they get at home?

No different. The Obamas searched the schools and deliberately chose the Quaker value system. IMO, to keep the kids bombarded at all times. Chelsea went to the same school. Kum ba ya!

216 Creeping Eruption  Mon, Jan 5, 2009 10:28:43am

re: #211 ploome hineni

I eat chicken, fish occasionally veal

I do not eat beef because it makes me feel uncomfortable

leather underwear...?

too much info.........ewwwwwww

Um . . .veal is beef.

217 MandyManners  Mon, Jan 5, 2009 10:28:52am

re: #196 ploome hineni

actually brought a tear to my eye

You're not alone.

218 albusteve  Mon, Jan 5, 2009 10:29:12am

re: #211 ploome hineni

I eat chicken, fish occasionally veal

I do not eat beef because it makes me feel uncomfortable

leather underwear...?

too much info.........ewwwwwww

actually I eat very little beef...some burger and a very occasional fine steak

219 Honorary Yooper  Mon, Jan 5, 2009 10:29:14am

re: #211 ploome hineni

I eat chicken, fish occasionally veal

I do not eat beef because it makes me feel uncomfortable

leather underwear...?

too much info.........ewwwwwww

Um, veal is beef. Young beef, but still beef.

220 Nevergiveup  Mon, Jan 5, 2009 10:29:19am

re: #207 Iron Fist

They should sue. Franken is blatently stealing the election. Turning the United States into a banana Republic doesn't seem to bother the Democrats, as long as they get to be King Monkey. If the polls in Minn. are really this faulty, why should we have any more confidence in this count than we did in the counts that Coleman won?

And if the Senate steps in and appoints Franken before the inevitable court cases are ajudicated, what does that say about the efficacy of our election system? Like Stalin said, he people who vote decide nothing.

The people who count the votes decide everything.

MN Supreme Court Tosses One Of Coleman's Main Hopes

[Link: ace.mu.nu...]

It don't look good!

221 Pyrocles  Mon, Jan 5, 2009 10:29:40am

Good! You proles need to stop eating that red meat anyway! It's bad for you and the environment, and we're here to ensure your health! - Nancy Pelosi, Senate Majority Leader

re: #172 Jinx

OT:

Not only guns and ammo, but stock up on beef.

These radical enviro-extremists need to be stopped. Unfortunately, with the solid control democrats have, there are few ways to stop the excessive taxation and ridiculous means to enforce the global warming agenda. Along with ethanol (corn) driving the price of feed up and this idiotic policy we're going to see a drastic spike in the price of all things bovine--dairy, meat, leather, etc. The idiots that come up with these schemes don't realize how regressive their taxation policies are. This will hurt the poor much more as it will drive the price of milk up considerably.

Change!

222 ciaospirit  Mon, Jan 5, 2009 10:29:52am

re: #180 ploome hineni

MUST SEE

Thanks, Ploome.

223 [deleted]  Mon, Jan 5, 2009 10:30:52am
224 Kragar  Mon, Jan 5, 2009 10:31:05am

re: #210 yma o hyd

Thats true!

Mind, a nice (and quite expensive!) cut of beef, once or twice a year, from a butcher you trust, and who can tell you from which farm that animal originallly came from - thats wonderful! And worth it.

Had a nice juicy Prime Rib last night, seasoned with sea salt and black pepper, with au jus and yorkshire pudding. Medium well, with crackling fat and the outside just crisped, inside tender and delicious.

225 realwest  Mon, Jan 5, 2009 10:31:19am

re: #194 yma o hyd
My damn e-mail system is slow or not working correctly! I tried to send you an e-mail and it didn't go, and I've now tried replying to your e-mail and don't think it went through either - could you let me know if you've received anything from me?!

226 MandyManners  Mon, Jan 5, 2009 10:31:21am

re: #206 CyanSnowHawk

Sony requires a license for any software that runs on the PS hardware. It's exceptionally expensive to develop for game consoles in general and Sony in particular, given their long standing popularity, Sony can pretty much dictate the terms of the license. The Nintendo Wii has cut into that however, and seriously hit Sony's bottom line in the console market.

Considering how much I have spent on PS, I am unwilling to do it again for Nintendo.

Wait. Did I just place a price on my morality?

Maybe it'd be easier just to go back to my cave.

227 subsailor68  Mon, Jan 5, 2009 10:31:27am

re: #207 Iron Fist

Amen.

Just a brief rant. I served almost ten years in the submarine service back during the Vietnam and Cold War era. Although not in harm's way to the same extent as my brothers in the Army and Marine Corps, we also put our lives on the line.

And I sure as hell didn't do that to defend a system that allows a little punk like Franken to steal an election via fraud. No way.

228 Creeping Eruption  Mon, Jan 5, 2009 10:31:46am

re: #223 ploome hineni

difficult to find here in the USA....but possible

I think Geepers lives nea a butcher that slaughters cows. He lives in the country somewhere, and farmers bring in their occasional cattle for slaughter.

My wife and I get all of our produce from a farm. Next year we are starting in with Chicken, eggs, and meat.

229 Last Mohican  Mon, Jan 5, 2009 10:31:48am

Here's how you can contact Sony Ericsson and communicate your displeasure:

From the United States

From the United Kingdom

From Australia

From Israel

230 Silhouette  Mon, Jan 5, 2009 10:31:50am

It doesn't matter whether one likes beef or not.

What matters is living in a world where The State tells you what you can and cannot eat.

231 jwb7605  Mon, Jan 5, 2009 10:31:53am

re: #201 SummerSong

It might be more helpful if you could point to like items that are not tied to Sony Ericsson?

That would be a short list, especially since you mentioned Ericsson.
If you include Ericsson, there's a good chance the next long distance call you make will be courtesy Ericsson phone equipment. Even if you are using a rotary dial one.
Click on the drop-down box that invites you to select a local Ericcson website.

232 [deleted]  Mon, Jan 5, 2009 10:32:23am
233 ciaospirit  Mon, Jan 5, 2009 10:32:55am

re: #230 Silhouette

It doesn't matter whether one likes beef or not.

What matters is living in a world where The State tells you what you can and cannot eat.

And none of the rules will actually apply to the rulemakers.

234 Nevergiveup  Mon, Jan 5, 2009 10:33:06am

0:13 UN refugee commissioner urges Israel to let Gazans cross borders (Reuters)

Why don't you urge Hamas to stop firing rockets at Israel asshole?

235 realwest  Mon, Jan 5, 2009 10:33:25am

re: #184 apachegunner
Hey Guns - are you in Charlotte or just passing through?!

236 unrealizedviewpoint  Mon, Jan 5, 2009 10:33:36am

re: #202 jcm

Annihilation is preferable to short shit. Armageddon will bring back the Mahdi the 12th Imam. That is a goal achievable by a nuclear armed Islamic State. A goal repeatedly stated by short shit.

Nightmare stuff. And a POTUS who thinks talking rationally with the irrational will achieve something. Night terror stuff.

There's hope Obama might just get it. I think Bush understands the Mahdi concept. Maybe Obama can? On taxes look at this WSJ story. He's kinda almost gettin' it. No?

237 [deleted]  Mon, Jan 5, 2009 10:33:43am
238 vapig  Mon, Jan 5, 2009 10:33:51am

re: #180 ploome hineni

MUST SEE

Thanks - I'm bawling now. I'll be back when I've composed myself.

239 jwb7605  Mon, Jan 5, 2009 10:33:55am

re: #234 Nevergiveup

0:13 UN refugee commissioner urges Israel to let Gazans cross borders (Reuters)

Why don't you urge Hamas to stop firing rockets at Israel asshole?

I had a small glimmer of hope when I misread "Israel" as "Egypt" at first.

240 avanti  Mon, Jan 5, 2009 10:33:57am

re: #198 albusteve

of course they do...that's why I discount idology when I buy something...but not every time...I dont consider myself a hypocrit for taking care of myself first

Yep, went though that just a few months back when buying a low rise lift to work on my cars. I'd prefer a made in the USA model but it was $1800, not close to the $750 for the Commie version. I even feel bad when I try to buy from a local store and can't get close to the price even when buying a made in the US item.

241 Hard Right  Mon, Jan 5, 2009 10:34:28am

re: #212 subsailor68

Exactly! How the hell can anyone try to justify that. "Gee, 200 registered voters, 358 votes counted." It makes no sense at all.

All that is missing is Jimmuh Carter to certify the vote...
////////

242 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Jan 5, 2009 10:34:40am

OT

Oops...

Sea Ice Ends Year at Same Level as 1979

[Link: www.dailytech.com...]

I can see the headlines in a few weeks...

"Sea ice a danger to planet"

243 yma o hyd  Mon, Jan 5, 2009 10:35:11am

re: #223 ploome hineni

difficult to find here in the USA....but possible

I think Geepers lives nea a butcher that slaughters cows. He lives in the country somewhere, and farmers bring in their occasional cattle for slaughter.

Yes, its not easy, and you certainly won't get stuff like that in any supermarket.
We've got one local butchers who does that sort of thing - proper chickens from a farm about 10 miles away, and I've seen that farmer actually unload the crates ...

If we're into talking about meat - the absolute best is lamb, in season, raised on the salt marshes in West Wales.
Its only around for a few weeks in spring - ahhh, the taste is out of this world!

244 Honorary Yooper  Mon, Jan 5, 2009 10:35:23am

re: #242 Walter L. Newton

OT

Oops...

Sea Ice Ends Year at Same Level as 1979

[Link: www.dailytech.com...]

I can see the headlines in a few weeks...

"Sea ice a danger to planet"

Well, it's a danger to the SS Goritanic.

245 [deleted]  Mon, Jan 5, 2009 10:35:44am
246 Cygnus  Mon, Jan 5, 2009 10:35:50am

re: #52 Opinionated

Are the phones equipped with Bluetooth for hands-free Jihad?

Or with cute little icons for 'Bomb', 'Behead', etc.?

247 [deleted]  Mon, Jan 5, 2009 10:35:57am
248 jwb7605  Mon, Jan 5, 2009 10:36:20am

re: #242 Walter L. Newton

OT

Oops...

Sea Ice Ends Year at Same Level as 1979

[Link: www.dailytech.com...]

I can see the headlines in a few weeks...

"Sea ice a danger to planet"


"Carbon credit program shows measureable progress".

249 albusteve  Mon, Jan 5, 2009 10:36:43am

re: #220 Nevergiveup

MN Supreme Court Tosses One Of Coleman's Main Hopes

[Link: ace.mu.nu...]

It don't look good!

institutions in this country have become so self important that they are enabling the fall of American greatness...if FOX news was so damned fair and balanced then why dont they do a one hour expose on this crime and show it all week complete with updates?...this should be shoved into the face of the public whether we like it or not...thats what the news is for...fuck FOX...

the MSM is my dire enemy

250 Jinx  Mon, Jan 5, 2009 10:36:51am

re: #186 yma o hyd

Heh.
FDR did that, so why shouldn't B0 do it as well?

(Regressive taxation policies, that is - not taxing cow farts - they didn't know betetr in FDR's days, or he'd done that, too!)
/

The worst part is, B0 promised to cut $300 Billion in taxes. Gotta love the hidden taxes he's going to ensure are passed.

251 jcm  Mon, Jan 5, 2009 10:36:58am

re: #237 Iron Fist

That would take out the exciting race against time element that makes these diplo-babblefests so entertaining.

And no Jack Bauer's or Mitch Rapp's to save the day. That would be against our values.

252 subsailor68  Mon, Jan 5, 2009 10:37:02am

re: #241 Hard Right

All that is missing is Jimmuh Carter to certify the vote...
////////

He's too busy trying to figure out why all those Jacksonville Habitat for Humanity homes they built on a landfill are falling apart.

//

253 yma o hyd  Mon, Jan 5, 2009 10:37:12am

re: #225 realwest

My damn e-mail system is slow or not working correctly! I tried to send you an e-mail and it didn't go, and I've now tried replying to your e-mail and don't think it went through either - could you let me know if you've received anything from me?!

No, sorry.
Nothing came, as of now.
No notification, nothing in the inbox.

They don't half mess you about, your e-mail provider!

254 rawmuse  Mon, Jan 5, 2009 10:37:26am

Charles, I just admire you so much. Looking for morality in global corporations.
Don Quixote comes to mind, and I am guilty of indulging in that myself.
Achieving the impossible always seems difficult right up until it the point that it becomes inevitable.

255 [deleted]  Mon, Jan 5, 2009 10:37:29am
256 Cygnus  Mon, Jan 5, 2009 10:38:01am

re: #74 MandyManners

I hate to pester but, I need to know if I'll be supporting Sony when I buy The Kid more PS2/PS3/PSP games. Anyone?

Tell him about what's going on and then see if he wants any more games from Sony. Chances are he won't.

257 Kragar  Mon, Jan 5, 2009 10:38:03am

More good news;

Frustrated reporters locked out of Gaza war zone

The ban on foreign media, which has been appealed to the Israeli Supreme Court, drew criticism from journalists that Israel is trying to manage the story.

Israel says opening border crossings for journalists would endanger staff at the terminals, which have often been targeted by militants. Israeli officials also say many foreign reporters are biased against Israel and easily manipulated or intimidated by Hamas.
The effect of the ban is to force many media outlets to rely on partisan reports from the Israeli military or Gaza's Hamas rulers and militants for information.

258 Nevergiveup  Mon, Jan 5, 2009 10:38:29am

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi plans to re-write House rules today to ensure that the Republican minority is unable to have any influence on legislation. Pelosi’s proposals are so draconian, and will so polarize the Capitol, that any thought President-elect Obama has of bipartisan cooperation will be rendered impossible before he even takes office.

[Link: www.humanevents.com...]

Bring it on!

259 Racer X  Mon, Jan 5, 2009 10:38:59am

Meanwhile, the former Malaysian Prime Minister calls for a total boycott of all American products.

PUTRAJAYA, Jan 5- Tun Dr Mahathir Mohammad today urged consumers to protest Israel’s invasion of Gaza by boycotting American products since the United States is Tel Aviv’s strongest supporter.

“They will not die if they do not drink Coca Cola,” the former prime minister said at a press conference today, as he urged Malaysians to make sacrifices to stop the violence in the Middle East.

Israel’s bombardment of Gaza has become a major issue here, with a majority of Malaysia’s Muslims sympathetic to the Palestinian cause.

These people have never seen a live Jew. Why the hatred?

Oh yeah, its in the Koran.

260 [deleted]  Mon, Jan 5, 2009 10:39:20am
261 albusteve  Mon, Jan 5, 2009 10:39:25am

re: #240 avanti

Yep, went though that just a few months back when buying a low rise lift to work on my cars. I'd prefer a made in the USA model but it was $1800, not close to the $750 for the Commie version. I even feel bad when I try to buy from a local store and can't get close to the price even when buying a made in the US item.

well there you have and we did it to ourselves

262 Jinx  Mon, Jan 5, 2009 10:39:28am

re: #193 ploome hineni

172 Jinx

OT:

you may not believe this, but after a few weeks without beef, you don;t much miss it

and, if I do eat beef now....I feel awful, stuffed, heavy and get bloated

our beef is so processed with hormones and antibiotics

You don't have connections. Nothing beats a nice juicy medium-rare steak. Or homemade burgers grilled to perfection with a nice huckleberry glaze or chipotle glaze (none of the fast-food crap).

263 Kragar  Mon, Jan 5, 2009 10:39:43am

re: #258 Nevergiveup

That link caused some popups and other junk to try and load.

264 Taqiyyotomist  Mon, Jan 5, 2009 10:40:12am

Telegraph.uk publishes another how-to guide for terrorists, and it is quite blatent - "Hey Jihadis! Here's something you might want to try! And here's how!"

The MSM, acting as a Think-Tank for terrorists.

265 subsailor68  Mon, Jan 5, 2009 10:40:15am

re: #247 Iron Fist

Every vote must count! Except for votes for Republicans, of course. If the voter hadn't gotten confused, he or she would have voted Democrat anyway, so we can fix that little oversight.

Did that come from the League of Democratic Women Voters election guideline pamphlet? (Forgot to read mine before voting Republican. Could have saved myself a trip to the polls.)

266 Honorary Yooper  Mon, Jan 5, 2009 10:40:30am

re: #245 ploome hineni

The "red meat creates colon cancer" stuff has been proven, disproven, and never really substansiated.

Here's some on the other side of the debate:
Studies Dispel Myth Of Cancer-causing Red Meat
Meat and Cancer Hypothesis - Fact & Fiction

267 Jinx  Mon, Jan 5, 2009 10:40:30am

re: #203 albusteve

I wear leather underwear...so now what?

Wool briefs.

268 Nevergiveup  Mon, Jan 5, 2009 10:40:48am

re: #263 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

That link caused some popups and other junk to try and load.

It comes up fine on my Mac? Sorry if it caused you any problems.

269 albusteve  Mon, Jan 5, 2009 10:40:52am

re: #242 Walter L. Newton

OT

Oops...

Sea Ice Ends Year at Same Level as 1979

[Link: www.dailytech.com...]

I can see the headlines in a few weeks...

"Sea ice a danger to planet"

"Massive Polar Bear Herd Invades Toronto!"

270 yma o hyd  Mon, Jan 5, 2009 10:42:08am

re: #242 Walter L. Newton

OT

Oops...

Sea Ice Ends Year at Same Level as 1979

[Link: www.dailytech.com...]

I can see the headlines in a few weeks...

"Sea ice a danger to planet"

Don't worry! Globull warming is still fashionable!

The latest thing now is that globull warming will cause the next ice age - saw the headline in a paper a week or so ago, so no linkie.

271 rawmuse  Mon, Jan 5, 2009 10:42:25am

re: #260 buzzsawmonkey

I use that example on secular Jews who are anti-Israel, They immediately go in to mind lock. The gears seize up, suddenly they realize that they are bolstering people who want them dead based simply on their choice of parents.

Frankly, I gave up long ago on trying to comprehend it.

272 Jinx  Mon, Jan 5, 2009 10:42:25am

re: #230 Silhouette

It doesn't matter whether one likes beef or not.

What matters is living in a world where The State tells you what you can and cannot eat.

Exacticaly!

273 albusteve  Mon, Jan 5, 2009 10:43:03am

re: #260 buzzsawmonkey

Apropos of nothing in particular, I'd like to remind people of Leon Klinghoffer, an American citizen--not an Israeli--taken from his wheelchair and thrown overboard to his death for being a Jew.

By "Palestinians" engaged in jihad.

the Achille Lauro...never forget

274 Taqiyyotomist  Mon, Jan 5, 2009 10:43:05am

re: #264 Taqiyyotomist

It's also a blatent attempt by an entomologist to get more funding.

What, "climate change" isn't bringing in the grant moneys anymore, Jeffrey?

275 MandyManners  Mon, Jan 5, 2009 10:43:19am

re: #256 Cygnus

Tell him about what's going on and then see if he wants any more games from Sony. Chances are he won't.

He's eight. I've been teaching him about Islam but, I don't see a kid that age making the decision to give up his toys.

276 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Jan 5, 2009 10:43:29am

re: #270 yma o hyd

Don't worry! Globull warming is still fashionable!

The latest thing now is that globull warming will cause the next ice age - saw the headline in a paper a week or so ago, so no linkie.

Oh, I see. Than everything is still on track for our destruction. Gosh, and I was worried for a few minutes that we might slide by and not be destroyed.

I feel better now, won't have to cancel my end of the world party.

277 unrealizedviewpoint  Mon, Jan 5, 2009 10:44:10am

re: #272 Jinx

Exacticaly!

278 SummerSong  Mon, Jan 5, 2009 10:44:26am

re: #231 jwb7605

That would be a short list, especially since you mentioned Ericsson.
If you include Ericsson, there's a good chance the next long distance call you make will be courtesy Ericsson phone equipment. Even if you are using a rotary dial one.
Click on the drop-down box that invites you to select a local Ericcson website.

I clicked.....showed me some contact phone numbers in N.Y., TX. VA. Wash. D.C. and N.C.

In any case, it seems that you are asserting that this company is all but inescapable. Thing is, I (and some others) were unaware of their reach and while I'm fine with being educated, your style is abrasive and needlessly so, imo.

279 MandyManners  Mon, Jan 5, 2009 10:44:35am

re: #257 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

More good news;

Frustrated reporters locked out of Gaza war zone

The effect of the ban is to force many media outlets to rely on partisan reports from the Israeli military or Gaza's Hamas rulers and militants for information.

Heck, they do that already!

280 jcm  Mon, Jan 5, 2009 10:44:43am

re: #273 albusteve

the Achille Lauro...never forget

Never forget Max Klinghoffer.

Never forget it was Patrick Leahy who blew that op on national TV. He lost his seat on the intel committee for that.

281 Nevergiveup  Mon, Jan 5, 2009 10:44:48am

re: #275 MandyManners

He's eight. I've been teaching him about Islam but, I don't see a kid that age making the decision to give up his toys.

Nor should he. Kids should grow up being...well kids!

282 Jinx  Mon, Jan 5, 2009 10:45:09am

re: #230 Silhouette

It doesn't matter whether one likes beef or not.

What matters is living in a world where The State tells you what you can and cannot eat.

It's also about The State propping up insane ideologies that have little basis in fact--Global Warming or Anthropogenic Climate Change.

Change!

283 jwb7605  Mon, Jan 5, 2009 10:45:15am

re: #278 SummerSong

I clicked.....showed me some contact phone numbers in N.Y., TX. VA. Wash. D.C. and N.C.

In any case, it seems that you are asserting that this company is all but inescapable. Thing is, I (and some others) were unaware of their reach and while I'm fine with being educated, your style is abrasive and needlessly so, imo.

I suck. Live with it.

284 [deleted]  Mon, Jan 5, 2009 10:46:01am
285 yma o hyd  Mon, Jan 5, 2009 10:46:15am

re: #250 Jinx

The worst part is, B0 promised to cut $300 Billion in taxes. Gotta love the hidden taxes he's going to ensure are passed.

I bet he's been studying how Gord did this here in the UK.
'Won't raise income tax' he promised - he didn't, he raised all other taxes.
And he didn't adjust the level of tax-free income according to annual inflation and wage increases.
Suddenly everybody over £36,000 annually is rich and pays top income tax.


Stealth taxes, we call it.

286 albusteve  Mon, Jan 5, 2009 10:46:26am

re: #280 jcm

Never forget Max Klinghoffer.

Never forget it was Patrick Leahy who blew that op on national TV. He lost his seat on the intel committee for that.

didnt know that part of it...time to revisit...thanks

287 MandyManners  Mon, Jan 5, 2009 10:47:02am

re: #264 Taqiyyotomist

Telegraph.uk publishes another how-to guide for terrorists, and it is quite blatent - "Hey Jihadis! Here's something you might want to try! And here's how!"

The MSM, acting as a Think-Tank for terrorists.

Did Lockwood get into contact with the paper? Or, vice versa?

288 [deleted]  Mon, Jan 5, 2009 10:47:47am
289 [deleted]  Mon, Jan 5, 2009 10:47:59am
290 [deleted]  Mon, Jan 5, 2009 10:48:26am
291 unrealizedviewpoint  Mon, Jan 5, 2009 10:48:31am

re: #288 right Brain

No! Honest folk don't do things like that.

292 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Jan 5, 2009 10:48:40am

re: #288 right Brain

Not funny.

293 MandyManners  Mon, Jan 5, 2009 10:48:59am

re: #281 Nevergiveup

Nor should he. Kids should grow up being...well kids!

Isn't it my responsibility, then, to refuse to buy him any more games?

294 SummerSong  Mon, Jan 5, 2009 10:49:16am

re: #283 jwb7605

I suck. Live with it.

LOL I shall!

295 jcm  Mon, Jan 5, 2009 10:49:32am

re: #284 buzzsawmonkey

Leon Klinghoffer. You're getting him confused with the MASH character Max Klinger.

My bad... Leon Klinghoffer, correct.

296 Pyrocles  Mon, Jan 5, 2009 10:50:15am

Deniers! Obviously paid-off by the meat industry! Big Meat is killing us all! /

And don't use your cellphone! They cause brain cancer! Another instance of big corporations killing us all! /

re: #266 Honorary Yooper

The "red meat creates colon cancer" stuff has been proven, disproven, and never really substansiated.

Here's some on the other side of the debate:
Studies Dispel Myth Of Cancer-causing Red Meat
Meat and Cancer Hypothesis - Fact & Fiction

297 [deleted]  Mon, Jan 5, 2009 10:50:30am
298 MandyManners  Mon, Jan 5, 2009 10:50:31am

re: #288 right Brain

Are you out of your fucking mind? That's a felony.

299 wahabicorridor  Mon, Jan 5, 2009 10:50:39am

re: #257 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

This is just crappola. Yesterday on Reliable Sources Jim Warren tried the "The Jenin Massacre that wasn't got media legs because they wouldn't let us in - once we got in, we were able to debunk it".

His memory is short. The 'massacre' had legs because the MSM chose to believe everyone but the Israelis.

Andrea Koppel: "So when Israeli soldiers slaughter civilians in Jenin, that is not equivalent?"
Adam Ruskin: "What are your sources? Were you in Jenin? How exactly do you know there was a slaughter?"
Andrea Koppel: "I just spoke with my colleagues who were there, and they told me of the slaughter."
Adam Ruskin: "Did they actually see the shooting, the bodies?"
Andrea Koppel: "Palestinians told us about the slaughter."
Adam Ruskin: "And you believe them without evidence. Could they possibly be lying and distorting facts?"
Andrea Koppel: "Oh, so now they are all just lying?"
As Blumberg describes, Ruskin became emotional in describing that "his children are afraid, his friends have been murdered, and if this goes on, 'We could lose our lives or we could lose our country.'"

Blumberg writes that Koppel responded, "Yes, you will lose your country."

300 yma o hyd  Mon, Jan 5, 2009 10:51:12am

re: #264 Taqiyyotomist

Telegraph.uk publishes another how-to guide for terrorists, and it is quite blatent - "Hey Jihadis! Here's something you might want to try! And here's how!"

The MSM, acting as a Think-Tank for terrorists.

Two points:
* I'm totally disgusted with the anti-semitic attitude of the Torygraph.

* for jihadists to 'develop' such a weapon, they'd actually have to study sciences and spend many years in laboratories. and even then its not a certainty.
Its far too expensive, too taxing for jihadist brains, the outcome is uncertain and can't be calibrated; and a quicker and more 'satisfying' result can be had with any home-made explosive device

301 [deleted]  Mon, Jan 5, 2009 10:51:14am
302 Cygnus  Mon, Jan 5, 2009 10:51:23am

re: #189 Honorary Yooper

Works just as well for the Chicago City Council.

Or the U.N.

303 albusteve  Mon, Jan 5, 2009 10:51:28am

re: #293 MandyManners

Isn't it my responsibility, then, to refuse to buy him any more games?

hard to say...it's a two edged blade...I would make the Kid happy first imo

304 Nevergiveup  Mon, Jan 5, 2009 10:51:30am

re: #293 MandyManners

Isn't it my responsibility, then, to refuse to buy him any more games?

If i thought it would change the world sure OK, but the kid deserves to be a kid for alittle longer anyway. I think what Sony is doing sucks, but it is still way down the list in the scheme of things.

305 [deleted]  Mon, Jan 5, 2009 10:51:41am
306 subsailor68  Mon, Jan 5, 2009 10:52:04am

re: #294 SummerSong

LOL I shall!

Heh. I remember reading a quote somewhere that said, "a gentleman never unintentionally offends someone".

Probably doesn't really apply here, but always liked that quote.

307 realwest  Mon, Jan 5, 2009 10:52:10am

DAMN! I don't have e-mail that works. Period. No earthlink e-mail, no web mail, can't use windows e-mail cause can't access addy book in Web Mail.
Apologies to anyone who has written to me but I can't reply!

308 Racer X  Mon, Jan 5, 2009 10:52:18am

I really like my Sony TV. I'll probably buy another one some day. Just not their phone.

309 unrealizedviewpoint  Mon, Jan 5, 2009 10:52:23am

right Brain ain't using his right brain.

310 CyanSnowHawk  Mon, Jan 5, 2009 10:52:35am

re: #226 MandyManners

Considering how much I have spent on PS, I am unwilling to do it again for Nintendo.

Wait. Did I just place a price on my morality?

Maybe it'd be easier just to go back to my cave.

Boycott's tend to be ineffective, especially against giants like Sony. What needs to be done is damage to the brand name. Associating Sony with the actions of Samir Kuntar and others like him hurts more than the loss of a few customers.

In general, I quit buying Sony because the quality has been crap for at least a decade. I threw out a rather expensive DVD player last year that had been recalled because after a year it couldn't read about half the DVDs I put into it. The recall offer was pathetic. I didn't replace my Sony digital camera with another Sony because others were better and less expensive. I bought a Palm Tungsten E2 to replace my old Clie SJ-35 PDA, victim of another quality lapse. And I wound up going the Nintendo route for game gear for Little Hauk and myself.

311 Kosh's Shadow  Mon, Jan 5, 2009 10:53:21am

re: #296 Pyrocles

Deniers! Obviously paid-off by the meat industry! Big Meat is killing us all! /

And don't use your cellphone! They cause brain cancer! Another instance of big corporations killing us all! /

Cancer is caused by dihydrogen monoxide. They withheld dihydrogen monoxide from lab rats, and NOT A SINGLE ONE GOT CANCER!
/

312 jwb7605  Mon, Jan 5, 2009 10:53:25am

re: #292 Walter L. Newton

Not funny.

I agree, but was afraid of being abrasive.
Out of here for a few hours.

313 MandyManners  Mon, Jan 5, 2009 10:53:36am

re: #303 albusteve

hard to say...it's a two edged blade...I would make the Kid happy first imo

One could say that that might result in the unhappiness/death of another child if Sony's tech helps terrorists launch an attack.

314 [deleted]  Mon, Jan 5, 2009 10:53:51am
315 Nevergiveup  Mon, Jan 5, 2009 10:54:19am

20:43 Sarkozy: Humanitarian cease-fire is in interest of all parties (Channel 2)

20:42 Sarkozy: Hamas rocket fire on Israel is `insufferable` (Channel 2)

20:42 Sarkozy: Gaza operation does not strengthen Palestinian president (Ch. 2)

20:41 Sarkozy: I am a friend who wishes to speak directly with Israel (Ch. 2)

20:41 Sarkozy: I come here as a friend of Shimon Peres, a friend of Israel (Ch. 2)

Go back to France and make love to your wife! Idiot.

316 MandyManners  Mon, Jan 5, 2009 10:54:38am

re: #304 Nevergiveup

If i thought it would change the world sure OK, but the kid deserves to be a kid for alittle longer anyway. I think what Sony is doing sucks, but it is still way down the list in the scheme of things.

See my No. 313, please.

317 Kragar  Mon, Jan 5, 2009 10:54:49am

re: #301 buzzsawmonkey

Must...resist...porn...allusions...

Big Meat also causes increased belief in religion.

I gave it to my wife and all she could say was "OH GOD! OH GOD!"

318 MandyManners  Mon, Jan 5, 2009 10:55:18am

re: #305 coquimbojoe

WHY DID YOU REPEAT IT?

319 realwest  Mon, Jan 5, 2009 10:55:40am

re: #300 yma o hyd
Please see my #307!

320 Nevergiveup  Mon, Jan 5, 2009 10:56:24am

re: #316 MandyManners

See my No. 313, please.

If I thought it would stop that, but I doubt it would. I'd rather see your kid smile. Just the publicity might make Sony reconsider.

321 [deleted]  Mon, Jan 5, 2009 10:56:27am
322 albusteve  Mon, Jan 5, 2009 10:56:28am

re: #313 MandyManners

One could say that that might result in the unhappiness/death of another child if Sony's tech helps terrorists launch an attack.

it's a tough personal call...but imo you are not a bad, immoral person for buying Sony products...

323 debutaunt  Mon, Jan 5, 2009 10:56:39am

re: #98 jcm

A quibble. (small one)

Capitalism is moral. It's founded on the premise that when an entity (indidvidual/coroporate) produces something. Then that something is found useful by others, and the producer gets compensated for the product. That that is profoundly moral. All benefit from the labor, the exchange, and the results.

Socialism is profoundly immoral. It says the producers is not entitled to compensation for the value of the labor. It says compensation is due for merely existing, not producing.

To be able to call socialism immoral, we need the moral alternative. Capitalism is moral.

I understand your point of view, that capitalism is an economic tool and as such tools have no morality, morality is imbued with use by the user. However capitalism is a relationship between individuals, and relationships have morality intrinsic too them.

It's based on mutual benefit.

324 MandyManners  Mon, Jan 5, 2009 10:57:01am

re: #310 CyanSnowHawk

Boycott's tend to be ineffective, especially against giants like Sony. What needs to be done is damage to the brand name. Associating Sony with the actions of Samir Kuntar and others like him hurts more than the loss of a few customers.

In general, I quit buying Sony because the quality has been crap for at least a decade. I threw out a rather expensive DVD player last year that had been recalled because after a year it couldn't read about half the DVDs I put into it. The recall offer was pathetic. I didn't replace my Sony digital camera with another Sony because others were better and less expensive. I bought a Palm Tungsten E2 to replace my old Clie SJ-35 PDA, victim of another quality lapse. And I wound up going the Nintendo route for game gear for Little Hauk and myself.

I'll not be buying any hardware by Sony. Ever.

325 yma o hyd  Mon, Jan 5, 2009 10:57:09am

re: #307 realwest

DAMN! I don't have e-mail that works. Period. No earthlink e-mail, no web mail, can't use windows e-mail cause can't access addy book in Web Mail.
Apologies to anyone who has written to me but I can't reply!

Dunno what to say - sounds horrible!
Can you ring the e-mail provider and tell them whats happening?

326 realwest  Mon, Jan 5, 2009 10:57:18am

re: #288 right Brain
Encouraging folks to violate the law, much less deface or destroy someone else's property isn't cool, even a little bit.

327 Cygnus  Mon, Jan 5, 2009 10:57:41am

re: #259 Racer X

Meanwhile, the former Malaysian Prime Minister calls for a total boycott of all American products.


These people have never seen a live Jew. Why the hatred?

Oh yeah, its in the Koran.

So after the next natural disaster, we should just let them deal with it themselves.

328 Super-ego  Mon, Jan 5, 2009 10:57:50am

My sister works for Ericsson in HR. I sent her this info. She has not heard anything about this internally.

I bet it will be kept on the down low too. And I understand that business is mostly indifferent, but come on.

I wonder what would happen if Sony decided to also launch an Israel news source.

329 rawmuse  Mon, Jan 5, 2009 10:58:05am

re: #307 realwest

I think Earthlink is circling the drain. Ever since the founder died, service stinks. I cut it loose in November.

330 Kosh's Shadow  Mon, Jan 5, 2009 10:58:30am

re: #310 CyanSnowHawk

New Sony Kuntar Cell phones! Great for bashing in heads of 7-year-old jooos!

331 MandyManners  Mon, Jan 5, 2009 10:58:43am

bbiab

332 Silhouette  Mon, Jan 5, 2009 10:59:05am

Negative 13 karma....so far.....I'm thinking that the defacing of property plan isn't a popular one in lizardland.

333 Kosh's Shadow  Mon, Jan 5, 2009 10:59:18am

re: #315 Nevergiveup

20:43 Sarkozy: Humanitarian cease-fire is in interest of all parties (Channel 2)

20:42 Sarkozy: Hamas rocket fire on Israel is `insufferable` (Channel 2)

20:42 Sarkozy: Gaza operation does not strengthen Palestinian president (Ch. 2)

20:41 Sarkozy: I am a friend who wishes to speak directly with Israel (Ch. 2)

20:41 Sarkozy: I come here as a friend of Shimon Peres, a friend of Israel (Ch. 2)

Go back to France and make love to your wife! Idiot.

He doesn't deserve her.

334 SummerSong  Mon, Jan 5, 2009 10:59:24am

re: #312 jwb7605

I agree, but was afraid of being abrasive.
Out of here for a few hours.

Bye!

335 [deleted]  Mon, Jan 5, 2009 11:01:17am
336 Pvt Bin Jammin  Mon, Jan 5, 2009 11:01:41am

re: #307 realwest

DAMN! I don't have e-mail that works. Period. No earthlink e-mail, no web mail, can't use windows e-mail cause can't access addy book in Web Mail.
Apologies to anyone who has written to me but I can't reply!

Quick question, RW. Are you using Zone Alarm?

337 Cygnus  Mon, Jan 5, 2009 11:02:18am

re: #288 right Brain

More like No Brain if you want to do that.

338 Hard Right  Mon, Jan 5, 2009 11:02:24am

re: #252 subsailor68

He's too busy trying to figure out why all those Jacksonville Habitat for Humanity homes they built on a landfill are falling apart.

//

He's trying to find a way to blame it on Israel and the Joooooos.

339 [deleted]  Mon, Jan 5, 2009 11:02:55am
340 Bob Dillon  Mon, Jan 5, 2009 11:02:59am

[Link: labs.aljazeera.net...]

Heh - these arrogant pukes are using the Apple logo - on their site. Just got off the phone with Apple - they were gushingly thankful for the heads-up and are checking further before sending the pit bulls in.

So Charles - Apple sends you a huge thank you via me.

341 Pyrocles  Mon, Jan 5, 2009 11:03:25am

Hey, everything we discuss here is just "porn" anyway, according to Chuck Schumer...

re: #301 buzzsawmonkey

Must...resist...porn...allusions...

342 doppelganglander  Mon, Jan 5, 2009 11:03:40am

re: #329 rawmuse

I think Earthlink is circling the drain. Ever since the founder died, service stinks. I cut it loose in November.

Wait, what? Sky Dayton died? I'm with Earthlink because it bought my original ISP, Mindspring. We've had few problems.

343 apachegunner  Mon, Jan 5, 2009 11:03:48am

stuck at the airport till 1600hrs, on my way to baltimore (Fr. Mead) re: #204 realwest

Hey Guns! Are we just passing through or are you in Charlotte for a while?!

344 apachegunner  Mon, Jan 5, 2009 11:04:48am

I am drinkinjg a bud right now! re: #209 MandyManners

345 subsailor68  Mon, Jan 5, 2009 11:06:44am

re: #338 Hard Right

He's trying to find a way to blame it on Israel and the Joooooos.

Hmmm....maybe he needs the six degrees of separation/Kevin Bacon model. Let's see, how do we get from Habitat to Israel, from there to the Joooooos, and finally to Kevin Bacon?

:-)

346 JustABill  Mon, Jan 5, 2009 11:07:39am

re: #160 jcm

The United States Department of Agriculture (USDA) this week announced an amendent to the regulations surrounding Swiss cheese. The changes will increase the allowable eye size range in Grade A Swiss cheese and define an allowable eye size range in Grade B Swiss cheese; remove the block height recommendation for cheeses produced in rindless blocks; add more clarity to the color requirements for grades A and B Swiss cheese; correct minor errors that currently exist in the tables; and make minor editorial changes that will make the standard more uniform in appearance and easier to use. The changes are effective from February 22, 2001.

It's make work for bureaucraps who wouldn't know how to make cheese if you threw them in the brine.

Just out of curiosity, do Swiss bureaucraps create the specifications for American Cheese?

347 doppelganglander  Mon, Jan 5, 2009 11:07:58am

re: #343 apachegunner

stuck at the airport till 1600hrs, on my way to baltimore (Fr. Mead)

My son just reported to Ft. Meade for several months of training he can't tell me about, followed by 2-3 years of work he can't tell me about.

348 jcm  Mon, Jan 5, 2009 11:09:07am

re: #346 JustABill

Just out of curiosity, do Swiss bureaucraps create the specifications for American Cheese?

RORLMAO!

Yeah, under poisons, prohibited materials.

349 rawmuse  Mon, Jan 5, 2009 11:09:12am

re: #342 doppelganglander

I forget his name, but his death was announced in 2008. Followed immediately by problems for me, spotty service. I had their VOI phone service as well. That went down the tubes. Nothing worked. To this very day, I am having trouble canceling my account with them. They are like the Mafia, once you are in, you can't get out. They are continuing to charge a credit card, whose account I have closed. And the credit card company is still trying to get me to pay them. You can't close an Earthlink account on line (just try it). You get put in voice mail hell, if you do finally get a real human being on the phone, they never have the authority to close your account, and make you wait on hold while they transfer to some non-existent person who magically does have that authority.

I am telling you, I have serious, and numerous and legitimate consumer grievances with Earthlink.

350 apachegunner  Mon, Jan 5, 2009 11:09:47am

re: #307 realwest

DAMN! I don't have e-mail that works. Period. No earthlink e-mail, no web mail, can't use windows e-mail cause can't access addy book in Web Mail.
Apologies to anyone who has written to me but I can't reply!


who cut ya off?

351 Canadhimmis  Mon, Jan 5, 2009 11:10:15am

Our present cellphone contract will very soon expire. Our family will be acquiring 4 new cellphones and I'll be making sure that Sony Ericsson gear isn't any part of the contract. Just doing our own small part and will be informing Sony Ericsson people of same.

352 [deleted]  Mon, Jan 5, 2009 11:10:56am
353 apachegunner  Mon, Jan 5, 2009 11:11:23am

haha, I know all about it ;>) re: #347 doppelganglander

My son just reported to Ft. Meade for several months of training he can't tell me about, followed by 2-3 years of work he can't tell me about.

354 Creeping Eruption  Mon, Jan 5, 2009 11:12:48am

re: #349 rawmuse

I forget his name, but his death was announced in 2008. Followed immediately by problems for me, spotty service. I had their VOI phone service as well. That went down the tubes. Nothing worked. To this very day, I am having trouble canceling my account with them. They are like the Mafia, once you are in, you can't get out. They are continuing to charge a credit card, whose account I have closed. And the credit card company is still trying to get me to pay them. You can't close an Earthlink account on line (just try it). You get put in voice mail hell, if you do finally get a real human being on the phone, they never have the authority to close your account, and make you wait on hold while they transfer to some non-existent person who magically does have that authority.

I am telling you, I have serious, and numerous and legitimate consumer grievances with Earthlink.

I had an Earthlink account long time ago. It sucked, so I wanted to complain. I searched and searched to find a web address or e-mail I could send my complaint to, but nothing. finally I called and they gave me a snail mail address to complain to. I asked the stoned twenty something customer service guy if he saw the Irony in an internet service provider requiring complaints by snail mail. All I got was silence. I doubt he even knew what irony was.

355 abolitionist  Mon, Jan 5, 2009 11:18:30am

(ot) re: #157 ciaospirit

Sorry to OT so soon, but check out whose values will be taught to the Obama children. The value system of the "Eyes Wide Open" anti-war, other cultures can do no wrong, religious group. I would mostly call them anti-American.

"Organic lunches, Quaker values await Obamas at new school"

I'm not suprised. Many people have a view of the Quakers from sources like Sgt. York or Richard Nixon. Some Quaker organizations have long since been thoroughly co-opted by enemies of the USA.

This one I learned of recently, while researching Diana Oughton (a girlfriend of Billy Ayers, who died March 6, 1970):
American Friends Service Committee (AFSC)

The AFSC was formed in 1917 by a group of 14 socialist Quakers to aid draft resisters. AFSC has been penetrated and used by Communists since the early 1920s when it sent Jessica Smith, who later married Soviet spies Harold Ware and John Abt(since the 1950s CPUSA general counsel and a member of the CPUSA Political Committee) to the Soviet Union to determine famine relief needs in Russia exacerbated by civil war and the collectivization of farmland.

Since the 1960s, the AFSC has supported revolutionary terrorist groups such as the Vietcong, Palestine Liberation Organization(PLO), and the Central American Castroite groups.
[snip]
The AFSC pamphlet concludes with a call for revolution in the United States, ...
[snip]
AFSC operates a lobbying arm, the Friends Committee on National Legislation(FCNL). Its focus and energies play a key role in developing strategy for pressure on Congress against the U.S. defense budget, and particularly against development or deployment of new weapons systems.

The goals in that last paragraph sound like some of BHO's.

356 realwest  Mon, Jan 5, 2009 11:18:42am

re: #343 apachegunner
Crap - wish I'd known sooner but by the time I could find a cab to go to the airport, we'd have about 15-30 minutes together - and as it is a $55 cab ride, I just can't do it!
Why didn't you tell me you were coming - I had doc appointment this morning but coulda come from there to see ya for a while!

357 drkrythm  Mon, Jan 5, 2009 11:20:34am

I was deciding over the weekend which phone to get. It came down to a Sony or LG. I chose the LG and love it. As my favorite sushi chef would say, "good choice"..
F Sony.

358 realwest  Mon, Jan 5, 2009 11:21:02am

re: #354 Creeping Eruption

I had an Earthlink account long time ago. It sucked, so I wanted to complain. I searched and searched to find a web address or e-mail I could send my complaint to, but nothing. finally I called and they gave me a snail mail address to complain to. I asked the stoned twenty something customer service guy if he saw the Irony in an internet service provider requiring complaints by snail mail. All I got was silence. I doubt he even knew what irony was.


Huh, until I got VISTA O/S which earthlink doesn't support "yet" I rarely had serious problems, could always use chat with a tech and could reach 'em on the phone - couldn't understand what they were saying on the phone (though they speak English better than I speak Indian or Pakistani !). But tech problems were rare.

359 Silhouette  Mon, Jan 5, 2009 11:22:54am

re: #355 abolitionist

Many people have a view of the Quakers from sources like Sgt. York or Richard Nixon.

Where are you getting York was a Quaker? I understood he was a member of the Church of Christ.

360 [deleted]  Mon, Jan 5, 2009 11:25:55am
361 [deleted]  Mon, Jan 5, 2009 11:30:10am
362 [deleted]  Mon, Jan 5, 2009 11:32:09am
363 abolitionist  Mon, Jan 5, 2009 11:32:51am

re: #359 Silhouette

Where are you getting York was a Quaker? I understood he was a member of the Church of Christ.

From an old movie starring Gary Cooper. I don't know York's particular flavor or Christianity, but I thought his bid for contentious objector status was supported by Quakers.

364 Dustyvet  Mon, Jan 5, 2009 11:37:38am

re: #363 abolitionist

From an old movie starring Gary Cooper. I don't know York's particular flavor or Christianity, but I thought his bid for contentious objector status was supported by Quakers.

York belonged to the Christian sect the Church of Christ in Christian Union which, despite having no specific doctrine of pacificism, discouraged warfare and violence.[4] According to documentation (see image), York did apply for CO status but was not approved.

365 abolitionist  Mon, Jan 5, 2009 11:40:01am

re: #364 Dustyvet

Thanks for the info.

366 BeckoningChasm  Mon, Jan 5, 2009 11:41:04am

I'll never buy anything made by Sony, ever again.

367 Silhouette  Mon, Jan 5, 2009 11:43:53am

re: #363 abolitionist

From an old movie starring Gary Cooper. I don't know York's particular flavor or Christianity, but I thought his bid for contentious objector status was supported by Quakers.

I did some googling after I asked that question, and lots of people thought/think York was a Quaker. I think people hear contentious objector, and automatically think Quaker. But other groups or individuals were and are also pacifists besides the Quakers.

York's bid for CO was denied because his particular denomination of Church of Christ wasn't recognized yet, from what I recall.

368 Ron Bacardi  Mon, Jan 5, 2009 11:56:48am

I

369 Ron Bacardi  Mon, Jan 5, 2009 11:57:27am

I

370 Ron Bacardi  Mon, Jan 5, 2009 11:57:39am

I

371 abolitionist  Mon, Jan 5, 2009 11:59:56am

re: #370 Ron Bacardi

Short-term memory loss?

372 Ron Bacardi  Mon, Jan 5, 2009 12:01:55pm

Ok my earlier three posts are not spam. I am experiencing epic failure with my post comments. What I was trying to say is that while I still love my PS3, I'm praying that SCEA is wholly separate from Sony-Ericsson. And calling Sony a terrorist organization is a little extreme, IMO.

373 abolitionist  Mon, Jan 5, 2009 12:09:05pm

re: #372 Ron Bacardi

Ever had to remove XCP rootkit crap?

374 B_Dix  Mon, Jan 5, 2009 12:32:00pm

Weelllll --

It looks like SOMEBODY at Sony has tried reading the tea leaves and decided the Religion of Jihad is going to come out on top, so that's whose boots it's most profitable to lick.

Damn, I sure used to like their TV sets.

375 Shanghai McCoy  Mon, Jan 5, 2009 1:23:28pm

I really can't afford it, but I went to the Sony website and gave 'em a piece of my mind....

376 Ron Bacardi  Mon, Jan 5, 2009 1:24:04pm

re: #373 abolitionist

No, but I barely know what that is.

377 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Jan 5, 2009 1:25:10pm

To hell with Sony. After purchasing a lousy product, and getting even lousier customer service related to said product, I came to the conclusion that Sony simply does not need nor want my business. This kind of crap from them only strengthens my resolve to spend my money with other companies.

And as some Lizards have pointed out, lets not forget that rootkit crap they pulled:

Problems with XCP
Security researchers have shown that the XCP technology was designed to have many of the qualities of a "rootkit." It was written with the intent of concealing its presence and operation from the owner of the computer, and once installed, it degrades the performance of the machine, opens new security vulnerabilities, and installs updates through an Internet connection to Sony BMG's servers. The nature of a rootkit makes it extremely difficult to remove, often leaving reformatting the computer's hard drive as the only solution. When Sony BMG offered a program to uninstall the dangerous XCP software, researchers found that the installer itself opened even more security vulnerabilities in users' machines.

378 Age Of Freedom  Mon, Jan 5, 2009 1:46:34pm

Don't ever own any Sony products, namely that crappy dust collector PS3.

379 Ron Bacardi  Mon, Jan 5, 2009 4:27:57pm

re: #378 Age Of Freedom

Sir, your forget yourself! Their mobile division may be idiotic, but the PS3 is sweetness. I am currently addicted to Little Big Planet right now....

380 amrilusaguy  Mon, Jan 5, 2009 6:09:00pm

Go to facebook and join the boycott

[Link: www.facebook.com...]

email sony ericsson [Link: www.sonyericsson.com...]

email Cellcom [Link: investors.ircellcom.co.il...]

in israel that they too should boycott sony ericsson

Remember one person/lizard with a PC and an internet connection can make a difference and change the world

[Link: www.nytimes.com...]

381 ahaygood  Tue, Jan 6, 2009 8:59:11am

the guy looks so evil


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