The 2008 Weblog Awards
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Voting is open for the 2008 Weblog Awards, and LGF is nominated for Best Conservative Blog.
Which will undoubtedly infuriate some people who think we aren’t pure enough.
1125 comments
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Killgore Trout Mon, Jan 5, 2009 6:59:26pm |
Congratulations to conservative lizards. Even Us liberal lizards will vote for you. Good luck!
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DrCruel Mon, Jan 5, 2009 6:59:57pm |
It's a good blog because it's objective and honest, and does the job that reporters used to do in this country. Whether its politics are conservative or not is of no consequence.
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David IV of Georgia Mon, Jan 5, 2009 7:00:12pm |
Zombietime (Zomblog) and Pajama Wearing Fool are also nominees in other categories.
I can't figure out how to get my deceased kin their rightful votes.
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JacksonTn Mon, Jan 5, 2009 7:00:18pm |
Vote the Chicago Way ...!
/um ...how many votes do we need to put us over the top ...we got um right here in the trunk (oh, wait ...that's Minnesota)
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Yanqui in Europe Mon, Jan 5, 2009 7:00:18pm |
Funny considering that LGF is not a conservative blog.
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BlueCanuck Mon, Jan 5, 2009 7:00:36pm |
Remember lizards. Vote, and vote often. . . .
/about the only time we do vote often.
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Jan 5, 2009 7:00:38pm |
The people who think LGF impure are fools. Charles provides excellent reporting and great topics for discussion. If you can log in to more than one computer, remember the Daley Rule: Vote early and often! It's the Chicago Way!
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Bloodnok Mon, Jan 5, 2009 7:00:48pm |
Good Luck to Zomblog, Lawhawk, and JWF as well.
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Killgore Trout Mon, Jan 5, 2009 7:01:00pm |
re: #5 David IV of Georgia
Lawhawk is nominated for something too. I don't have the list handy.
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David IV of Georgia Mon, Jan 5, 2009 7:01:19pm |
re: #7 Yanqui in Europe
Funny considering that LGF is not a conservative blog.
Central is the new far right.
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stevieray Mon, Jan 5, 2009 7:01:57pm |
Too bad there's not a self-subservient category -- we'd clean up!
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Mon, Jan 5, 2009 7:02:03pm |
LGF is a great blog because Charles works so hard to give us a great forum to have reasonable, rational discussions about important subjects.
Oh, and get snarky with moonbattery. That, too.
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Bloodnok Mon, Jan 5, 2009 7:02:27pm |
re: #12 Sharmuta
Carl In Jerusalem is also nominated.
Ah! Thank you for pointing that out! I knew I was forgetting someone.
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Yanqui in Europe Mon, Jan 5, 2009 7:02:36pm |
13 David IV of Georgia
You took the words right out of my mouth.
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Wyatt Earp Mon, Jan 5, 2009 7:02:56pm |
I'm from Philadelphia, so count me in for 40-50 votes.
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reine.de.tout Mon, Jan 5, 2009 7:02:58pm |
re: #11 Killgore Trout
Lawhawk is nominated for something too. I don't have the list handy.
Best small blog
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Sharmuta Mon, Jan 5, 2009 7:03:05pm |
re: #12 Sharmuta
Carl In Jerusalem is also nominated.
[Link: israelmatzav.blogspot.com...]
That's Carl's blog.
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JacksonTn Mon, Jan 5, 2009 7:03:05pm |
Don't forget you can vote once every day ...for each category ...
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sngnsgt Mon, Jan 5, 2009 7:03:10pm |
Congrats Charles, I learn something new here every day.
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Taqyia2Me Mon, Jan 5, 2009 7:03:26pm |
Speaking of votes, anybody figure out Nevada presidential voting trends from 2000 to 2004 to 2008?
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looking closely Mon, Jan 5, 2009 7:03:34pm |
Apparently Ace in (currently) in the lead.
Quite a few good blogs in there, actually.
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sattv4u2 Mon, Jan 5, 2009 7:03:36pm |
and LGF is nominated for Best Conservative Blog.
Huh ,,, This is a CONSERVATIVE BLOG!?!?!?
GGGAAAHHHHH ,,, what am I doing here !?!?! Where are my birkinstocks? Where's mt tye-dyed T-shirt !?!?!?!?Someone play some Grateful Dead music ,,,,, Rosie,,, Mickey Moore,,, HELP ! Come save me !
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jwb7605 Mon, Jan 5, 2009 7:04:24pm |
How were the decisions made regarding what kind of a blog it is?
Why isn't KOS listed in "best gossip blog"?
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gclaghorn Mon, Jan 5, 2009 7:04:28pm |
re: #24 JacksonTn
Don't forget you can vote once every day ...for each category ...
Vote early and vote often! :)
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JammieWearingFool Mon, Jan 5, 2009 7:04:32pm |
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sattv4u2 Mon, Jan 5, 2009 7:04:47pm |
re: #30 jwb7605
How were the decisions made regarding what kind of a blog it is?
Why isn't KOS listed in "bestgossipgarbage blog"?
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gclaghorn Mon, Jan 5, 2009 7:05:42pm |
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sattv4u2 Mon, Jan 5, 2009 7:06:02pm |
re: #34 Iron Fist
Who the hell is "Plumb Bob"? I think I recognized everyone else.
Baghdad Bobs' working class cousin
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jwb7605 Mon, Jan 5, 2009 7:06:25pm |
re: #33 sattv4u2
How were the decisions made regarding what kind of a blog it is?
Why isn't KOS listed in "bestgossipgarbage blog"?
THAT TOO. Why isn't there a best garbage blog category?
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Shug Mon, Jan 5, 2009 7:06:33pm |
Best Conservative blog ?
How about
best blog
period
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JammieWearingFool Mon, Jan 5, 2009 7:06:39pm |
Lizards definitely contributed heavily to my win last year, so feel free to contribute again this year.
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LEGION Mon, Jan 5, 2009 7:06:53pm |
Dinged ya- only 133 votes so far- good for 3rd place- bah. Lets go Lizards, Vote Vote Vote!
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JacksonTn Mon, Jan 5, 2009 7:07:26pm |
re: #38 jwb7605
THAT TOO. Why isn't there a best garbage blog category?
Larry Johnson at noquarter has that covered ...
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gclaghorn Mon, Jan 5, 2009 7:07:46pm |
re: #39 Shug
Best Conservative blog ?
How about
best blog
period
I'm definitely nominating LGF for that next year. That, and "Best Design."
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Digital Display Mon, Jan 5, 2009 7:07:52pm |
Well It's been confirmed.. The Texas Marching Band is playing Stairway to Heaven at halftime..It must be the end of times...
/ If the Stanford Marching Band does Barry Manilow I swear I'm going underground with extra food and water.
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notutopia Mon, Jan 5, 2009 7:08:30pm |
Obama speaks on Gaza.... but doesn't really....with alot of ah, ah , ah's....
[Link: www.cnn.com...]
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Killgore Trout Mon, Jan 5, 2009 7:08:40pm |
re: #44 gclaghorn
LGF is very overlooked for blog design. I'm going to try to remember next year too.
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Bloodnok Mon, Jan 5, 2009 7:09:40pm |
I know LGF is getting one vote from Kuala Lumpur.
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LEGION Mon, Jan 5, 2009 7:09:43pm |
re: #45 HoosierHoops
They came and they played without caring- and we booed them away- Ohhh Mandy. ♪
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Shug Mon, Jan 5, 2009 7:09:43pm |
re: #49 MandyManners
I wonder if LGF2 is in the running....
Yes, under the category for Best Blogger who blogs from a padded cell
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David IV of Georgia Mon, Jan 5, 2009 7:10:25pm |
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gclaghorn Mon, Jan 5, 2009 7:10:31pm |
re: #49 MandyManners
I wonder if LGF2 is in the running....
Most Likely To Be Committed to a Mental Hospital?
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ted Mon, Jan 5, 2009 7:10:42pm |
Hey..........What great company: VDH......Malkin.........Ace..........
Go LGF !
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LEGION Mon, Jan 5, 2009 7:11:04pm |
re: #46 Iron Fist
As the Democrats say "Stuff the Vote!"
That's the only way THEY can win- but we will win on merit!
255 still in third.
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Occasional Reader Mon, Jan 5, 2009 7:11:36pm |
Pretty cool graphic for the "tally up" after you vote.
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Jan 5, 2009 7:11:56pm |
re: #47 notutopia
Obama speaks on Gaza.... but doesn't really....with alot of ah, ah , ah's....
[Link: www.cnn.com...]
Obama on Gaza: "Present."
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LEGION Mon, Jan 5, 2009 7:11:58pm |
small dead animals? LOL- great name- honorable mention.
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Sharmuta Mon, Jan 5, 2009 7:12:11pm |
re: #56 ted
Hey..........What great company: VDH......Malkin.........Ace..........
Go LGF !
Actually- it's a bit embarrassing to see pamela on the list with such incredible intellects as VDH and Bill Whittle.
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Dar ul Harb Mon, Jan 5, 2009 7:13:02pm |
I voted for Bill Whittle (Eject Eject Eject).
I'll vote early and often for LGF, though.
(If LGF wins Conservative Blog, is that like McCain getting the Republican nomination?)
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Shug Mon, Jan 5, 2009 7:13:04pm |
re: #62 Sharmuta
Actually- it's a bit embarrassing to see pamela on the list with such incredible intellects as VDH and Bill Whittle.
Truer words have never been spoken. The woman is a mental midget in spandex
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ArmyWife Mon, Jan 5, 2009 7:13:15pm |
To whom do I write suggesting a new category entitled "Best Zionist Honco Blog" for 2009?
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Occasional Reader Mon, Jan 5, 2009 7:13:25pm |
In the name of Honcos everywhere, we at least have to beat AtlasShrugs. GET IN THERE AND VOTE.
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notutopia Mon, Jan 5, 2009 7:13:55pm |
re: #60 Dark_Falcon
Obama on Gaza: "Present."
I don't even know if you can call that "present".
He obviously agrees that it is not in HIS best public opinion to comment now. I guess he is going to make us wait until his coronation....
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Sharmuta Mon, Jan 5, 2009 7:14:06pm |
re: #64 Shug
Thankfully, I had no liquid in my mouth when I read that.
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revobob Mon, Jan 5, 2009 7:14:07pm |
re: #34 Iron Fist
Who the hell is "Plumb Bob"? I think I recognized everyone else.
A guy who always tells it straight up! (No relation...)
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ted Mon, Jan 5, 2009 7:14:28pm |
re: #62 Sharmuta
Actually- it's a bit embarrassing to see pamela on the list with such incredible intellects as VDH and Bill Whittle.
Very true.
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3 wood Mon, Jan 5, 2009 7:14:31pm |
Now to vote the Chicago Way, you have about 8 key precincts hold out reporting their vote until the downstate totals come in. Then they know how many votes they have to "find".
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Occasional Reader Mon, Jan 5, 2009 7:14:45pm |
re: #63 Dar ul Harb
I voted for Bill Whittle (Eject Eject Eject).
I'll vote early and often for LGF, though.
(If LGF wins Conservative Blog, is that like McCain getting the Republican nomination?)
I love Whittle's stuff, but he just doesn't post frequently enough for me to think of his site as a "weblog". It's more like a collection of essays.
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gclaghorn Mon, Jan 5, 2009 7:14:47pm |
re: #64 Shug
Truer words have never been spoken. The woman is a mental midget in spandex
Screen, meet soda.
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LEGION Mon, Jan 5, 2009 7:14:50pm |
re: #29 sattv4u2
and LGF is nominated for Best Conservative Blog.
Huh ,,, This is a CONSERVATIVE BLOG!?!?!?
GGGAAAHHHHH ,,, what am I doing here !?!?! Where are my birkinstocks? Where's mt tye-dyed T-shirt !?!?!?!?Someone play some Grateful Dead music ,,,,, Rosie,,, Mickey Moore,,, HELP ! Come save me !
Yes, yes it is--- saw a guy at the mall yesterday- walking around in Bermuda shorts and sandals- mind you there it is 21 F outside with snow on the ground. Lord save me from the liberals!
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jwb7605 Mon, Jan 5, 2009 7:15:47pm |
re: #47 notutopia
Obama speaks on Gaza.... but doesn't really....with alot of ah, ah , ah's....
[Link: www.cnn.com...]
ahh, err, I gathered that um when he assumes the ascendancy he is going to er, umm, offer a dissenting uh, viewpoint from, uhh, the one uh, being pursued err, currently. um.
err, crapum.
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Occasional Reader Mon, Jan 5, 2009 7:15:59pm |
I voted, but just now I've found a bunch of my absentee ballots, and they're all marked "LGF". Well, one actually as "Mickey Mouse" scrawled across it, but let's count it for LGF.
/angling for Minnesota Election Board job
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JammieWearingFool Mon, Jan 5, 2009 7:16:12pm |
re: #61 LEGION
small dead animals? LOL- great name- honorable mention.
They won best Canadian blog several years running and were placed in another category to give some others up north a crack. While they have many categories, some folks wind up in places where they may not have much chance. The best conservative blog category has many great choices, but as a loyal Lizard LGF gets my nod, with a couple of others also recommended.
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ArmyWife Mon, Jan 5, 2009 7:16:31pm |
re: #66 Occasional Reader
I have 3,000,000,000,000 votes for LGF in the trunk of my car to be "discovered" should the need arise.
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Sharmuta Mon, Jan 5, 2009 7:16:59pm |
re: #78 Iron Fist
Oh, but they should do that. It could provide hours of enjoyment. OK, maybe not, but it would be funny.
I would have to think LGF has more stalker blogs than any other blog.
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notutopia Mon, Jan 5, 2009 7:17:16pm |
And Vote Often, every day! It's legal on this election. Vote Every 24 hours until January 12th.
Go LGF !
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JacksonTn Mon, Jan 5, 2009 7:17:32pm |
I would like to mention if you are considering voting for a liberal blog ...The Confluence is the only PUMA blog in the category ...it is still a liberal blog but was the only one that even took on Obama on anything ...
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revobob Mon, Jan 5, 2009 7:17:36pm |
re: #81 ArmyWife
I have 3,000,000,000,000 votes for LGF in the trunk of my car to be "discovered" should the need arise.
Ummmm- since that exceeds the population of Earth, I gotta guess at least some of those are questionable?
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David IV of Georgia Mon, Jan 5, 2009 7:17:39pm |
re: #81 ArmyWife
I have 3,000,000,000,000 votes for LGF in the trunk of my car to be "discovered" should the need arise.
Most of those votes that were thrown out as improper were also really for LGF.
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MandyManners Mon, Jan 5, 2009 7:18:35pm |
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bosforus Mon, Jan 5, 2009 7:18:46pm |
re: #2 Killgore Trout
Congratulations to conservative lizards. Even
UsWE liberal lizards will vote for you. Good luck!
Sorry, pet peeve. Had to do it.
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ArmyWife Mon, Jan 5, 2009 7:18:49pm |
re: #85 revobob
What? Do you not believe in democracy? What kind of Honco are you?
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Sunlight Mon, Jan 5, 2009 7:18:49pm |
In the Middle East category, I saw [Link: www.israellycool.com...]
Can we only vote once?
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LEGION Mon, Jan 5, 2009 7:19:07pm |
re: #80 JammieWearingFool
They won best Canadian blog several years running and were placed in another category to give some others up north a crack. While they have many categories, some folks wind up in places where they may not have much chance. The best conservative blog category has many great choices, but as a loyal Lizard LGF gets my nod, with a couple of others also recommended.
OMG- just because they won too much they are moved to another category? Screw giving others "chances"- that is the communist marxist liberal looney way- you should be King of the Hill until you are pulled off of it by others that EARNED it- OOOHHHHH Canada- you are more and more wacky everyyyyy day.
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notutopia Mon, Jan 5, 2009 7:19:12pm |
re: #77 jwb7605
ahh, err, I gathered that um when he assumes the ascendancy he is going to er, umm, offer a dissenting uh, viewpoint from, uhh, the one uh, being pursued err, currently. um.
err, crapum.
That's quality Harvard education for you!
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albusteve Mon, Jan 5, 2009 7:19:12pm |
re: #87 Iron Fist
Even the people who didn't vote for LGF intended to vote for us. You can't simply read a ballot. You have to grok the vote in its fullness...
heh...really
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MandyManners Mon, Jan 5, 2009 7:19:21pm |
re: #53 Sharmuta
They have a stalker blog category?
Mebbe' there should be such a category with the winner being the most vile.
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Sharmuta Mon, Jan 5, 2009 7:19:32pm |
re: #83 notutopia
And Vote Often, every day! It's legal on this election. Vote Every 24 hours until January 12th.
Go LGF !
Would it be wrong of me to use some additional, multiple computers from work?
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Ringo the Gringo Mon, Jan 5, 2009 7:19:39pm |
Which will undoubtedly infuriate some people who think we aren’t pure enough.
Well, of course LGF isn't "pure enough", that's why you get my vote....I'd also vote for LGF for Liberal Blog of the Year if I could.
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Digital Display Mon, Jan 5, 2009 7:20:07pm |
re: #81 ArmyWife
I have 3,000,000,000,000 votes for LGF in the trunk of my car to be "discovered" should the need arise.
Can I ask te lizard to consider Bad Astronomy for best science web site?
Phil is a pure science guy that hosts a great Astronomy site...Check him out
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David IV of Georgia Mon, Jan 5, 2009 7:20:12pm |
re: #92 Sunlight
In the Middle East category, I saw [Link: www.israellycool.com...]
Can we only vote once?
You may vote once every 24 hours until January 12.
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notutopia Mon, Jan 5, 2009 7:20:41pm |
re: #92 Sunlight
In the Middle East category, I saw [Link: www.israellycool.com...]
Can we only vote once?
See my #83.
Vote Daily!
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jwb7605 Mon, Jan 5, 2009 7:20:52pm |
re: #87 Iron Fist
Even the people who didn't vote for LGF intended to vote for us. You can't simply read a ballot. You have to grok the vote in its fullness...
Fist! You are so ripping off my son-in-law's web site: grokers.net/wp/
Pissed me off when I tried for that domain name, unaware of the situation.
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Occasional Reader Mon, Jan 5, 2009 7:20:52pm |
re: #90 bosforus
Sorry, pet peeve. Had to do it.
Damn, even I'm not that pedantic. (I think he was being deliberately colloquial, and therefore gets a pass.)
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Sunlight Mon, Jan 5, 2009 7:21:30pm |
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sattv4u2 Mon, Jan 5, 2009 7:21:34pm |
re: #102 Mich-again
Why wasn't there a choice for Ron Paul?
I dunno ,,, but his lawn signs are still all over the Emory area of Atlanta
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revobob Mon, Jan 5, 2009 7:21:40pm |
re: #91 ArmyWife
What? Do you not believe in democracy? What kind of Honco are you?
I thot ilitracy was all the qualifaction needeed ta be a honco- ya meen I gotta be innumerate to?
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albusteve Mon, Jan 5, 2009 7:21:43pm |
re: #101 David IV of Georgia
You may vote once every 24 hours until January 12.
doesnt that dilute the integrity of the vote...is this whole thing just a joke?
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notutopia Mon, Jan 5, 2009 7:21:49pm |
re: #97 Sharmuta
Would it be wrong of me to use some additional, multiple computers from work?
Only if they all have the same operator and IP address!
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motorcycleboy Mon, Jan 5, 2009 7:22:12pm |
I didn't know there was such a thing as an atheist 'conservative' blog. Maybe an atheist 'libertarian' blog, but certainly not conservative.
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gclaghorn Mon, Jan 5, 2009 7:22:29pm |
re: #107 sattv4u2
I dunno ,,, but his lawn signs are still all over the Emory area of Atlanta
There are still lawn signs up around here reading, "Ron Paul Saves" and "Paul is our salvation."
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Occasional Reader Mon, Jan 5, 2009 7:23:07pm |
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sattv4u2 Mon, Jan 5, 2009 7:23:33pm |
re: #109 albusteve
doesnt that dilute the integrity of the vote...is this whole thing just a joke?
This is a popularity contest, not an election for a gov't office !
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notutopia Mon, Jan 5, 2009 7:23:36pm |
re: #102 Mich-again
Why wasn't there a choice for Ron Paul?
Check out the Most Liberal Blog section, There's bound to be a spawn in there somewhere. I've not even visited some of those sites...ever....viruses!
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JacksonTn Mon, Jan 5, 2009 7:23:46pm |
re: #111 motorcycleboy
I didn't know there was such a thing as an atheist 'conservative' blog. Maybe an atheist 'libertarian' blog, but certainly not conservative.
You serious? what does that have to do with anything ...
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Killgore Trout Mon, Jan 5, 2009 7:24:09pm |
re: #105 Occasional Reader
My grammar and spelling stinks also as well sometimes too.
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sattv4u2 Mon, Jan 5, 2009 7:24:19pm |
re: #115 njdhockeyfan
I voted.
Where my
stickerpurple thumb ?
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revobob Mon, Jan 5, 2009 7:24:33pm |
re: #116 sattv4u2
This is a popularity contest, not an election for a gov't office !
and that is different how?
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JammieWearingFool Mon, Jan 5, 2009 7:24:42pm |
re: #93 LEGION
OMG- just because they won too much they are moved to another category? Screw giving others "chances"- that is the communist marxist liberal looney way- you should be King of the Hill until you are pulled off of it by others that EARNED it- OOOHHHHH Canada- you are more and more wacky everyyyyy day.
Don't blame Canada, it wasn't their choice. The guys running the show over there came up with the idea.
I'll probably have to find another category next year since I've already outgrown my current slot, but they based it on when nominations were opened. I'd probably get my ass kicked right now in the 501-1000 slot considering some of the heavyweights in there.
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sattv4u2 Mon, Jan 5, 2009 7:25:02pm |
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Shiplord Kirel Mon, Jan 5, 2009 7:25:38pm |
re: #113 gclaghorn
There are still lawn signs up around here reading, "Ron Paul Saves" and "Paul is our salvation."
FWIW, the single funniest thing I've ever read here at LGF was a brief comment on a posted link to the "Ron Paul supporters of India and Pakistan:"
"Sheesh, it's so bad we are even outsourcing our nutjobs." (or words to that effect.) I can't remember who posted this, so step forward and claim credit if it's yours.
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bosforus Mon, Jan 5, 2009 7:25:39pm |
re: #105 Occasional Reader
Damn, even I'm not that pedantic. (I think he was being deliberately colloquial, and therefore gets a pass.)
I could be worse. I see a lot of sentences ending in prepositions around here!
/kidding - I don't consider myself a big grammatical stickler, but after learning a foreign language some things tend to stick out more than others
that's what she said
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Dar ul Harb Mon, Jan 5, 2009 7:25:40pm |
re: #111 motorcycleboy
Wasted one of your 5 comments for that?
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Occasional Reader Mon, Jan 5, 2009 7:26:03pm |
re: #121 Iron Fist
I don't know that you'd classify LGF as an "atheist" blog.
Give Killgore and me a little more time. We're working on you. On all of you.
bwaaaahahahaha
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MandyManners Mon, Jan 5, 2009 7:26:14pm |
re: #111 motorcycleboy
I didn't know there was such a thing as an atheist 'conservative' blog. Maybe an atheist 'libertarian' blog, but certainly not conservative.
There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, than are dreamt of in your philosophy.
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Mich-again Mon, Jan 5, 2009 7:26:16pm |
re: #111 motorcycleboy
Conservatives are all for freedom of Religion.
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njdhockeyfan Mon, Jan 5, 2009 7:26:34pm |
Sources: Cubs, Bradley agree to 3-year, $30M deal
The Cubs, closing in on their No. 1 offensive target, have reached an agreement in principle with free agent Milton Bradley, according to major-league sources.
The deal, expected to be in the three-year, $30 million range, will be finalized after the two sides work through language issues and Bradley passes a physical, sources said.
Bradley, a switch-hitter, will fill the Cubs' need for a left-handed bat in the middle of their order. He spent last season with the Rangers, posting the highest on-base/slugging percentage in the American League.
This is going to be their year. I can feel it!
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Digital Display Mon, Jan 5, 2009 7:26:38pm |
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jwb7605 Mon, Jan 5, 2009 7:26:51pm |
re: #121 Iron Fist
I don't know that you'd classify LGF as an "atheist" blog. There are a lot of believers from a fairly wide range of faiths here. Probably not any Mohammedans, but I guess it is possible...
Elegant understatement, from what I've seen.
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Killgore Trout Mon, Jan 5, 2009 7:27:01pm |
re: #128 Occasional Reader
Behead those who insult the Turtle Stack!
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Dianna Mon, Jan 5, 2009 7:27:06pm |
re: #122 revobob
and that is different how?
It's a silly little internet poll. I'd love to see either Ace or Charles win, but I'm not going to go all Democrat and stuff the ballot box.
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Occasional Reader Mon, Jan 5, 2009 7:27:43pm |
re: #126 bosforus
I see a lot of sentences ending in prepositions around here!
You're kidding! Show me where they're at.
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Tarkus289 Mon, Jan 5, 2009 7:27:54pm |
OT
In case you have not heard, there has been a friendly fire incident in gaza,
an Israeli tank fired on Israeli soldiers, three dead and twenty wounded.
Sorry if this was posted already, and I'm sorry this happened.
This was what they were talking about on Fox this afternoon.
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albusteve Mon, Jan 5, 2009 7:28:04pm |
re: #116 sattv4u2
This is a popularity contest, not an election for a gov't office !
so it's not about legitimacy or content or accountability?...I get it now
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revobob Mon, Jan 5, 2009 7:28:06pm |
re: #105 Occasional Reader
Damn, even I'm not that pedantic. (I think he was being deliberately colloquial, and therefore gets a pass.)
What does a guy liking kids have ta do with how he rites and spells?
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Dar ul Harb Mon, Jan 5, 2009 7:28:21pm |
re: #121 Iron Fist
I don't know that you'd classify LGF as an "atheist" blog.
Hey, I'm Unitarian. That's pretty damn close.
/
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MandyManners Mon, Jan 5, 2009 7:28:27pm |
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sattv4u2 Mon, Jan 5, 2009 7:28:29pm |
Apropos of nothing, and totally OT
Pubix Grocery Stores makes THE best fried chicken
(We now return you to our regularly scheduled blogging)
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Killgore Trout Mon, Jan 5, 2009 7:28:57pm |
re: #138 Occasional Reader
Show me where they're at.
Correction: Show me where they're at, dude.
/Problem solved.
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Shug Mon, Jan 5, 2009 7:28:59pm |
re: #97 Sharmuta
Would it be wrong of me to use some additional, multiple computers from work?
It would be wrong not to
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jwb7605 Mon, Jan 5, 2009 7:28:59pm |
re: #130 Mich-again
Conservatives are all for freedom of Religion.
As Sharmuta pointed out on the previous thread, so are Classical Liberals.
{ Sharmuta! }
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Jan 5, 2009 7:29:01pm |
re: #131 njdhockeyfan
Sources: Cubs, Bradley agree to 3-year, $30M deal
This is going to be their year. I can feel it!
That is good news! Maybe now the Cubs can finally win a playoff series.
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MandyManners Mon, Jan 5, 2009 7:29:10pm |
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Sharmuta Mon, Jan 5, 2009 7:29:10pm |
re: #111 motorcycleboy
I didn't know there was such a thing as an atheist 'conservative' blog. Maybe an atheist 'libertarian' blog, but certainly not conservative.
Last time I looked, there was no mention of a religious requirement to being conservative.
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revobob Mon, Jan 5, 2009 7:29:23pm |
re: #135 Killgore Trout
Behead those who insult the Turtle Stack!
And refuse obeisance to the Holy Post on which it rests!
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sattv4u2 Mon, Jan 5, 2009 7:29:37pm |
re: #132 HoosierHoops
You working the Texas game tonight?
yup ,, we're sending it to cruise ships in the Mediterranean
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NOBAMADADA Mon, Jan 5, 2009 7:29:45pm |
re: #144 sattv4u2
Apropos of nothing, and totally OT
Pubix Grocery Stores makes THE best fried chicken
(We now return you to our regularly scheduled blogging)
Publix* :-)
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Shiplord Kirel Mon, Jan 5, 2009 7:30:18pm |
re: #142 Dar ul Harb
Hey, I'm Unitarian. That's pretty damn close.
/
Reminds me of a joke (no doubt old to you but posted for the benefit of others):
Q. What does the Ku-Klux-Klan do when a Unitarian moves into town?
A. They burn a question mark on his lawn.
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n in wi Mon, Jan 5, 2009 7:30:40pm |
re: #131 njdhockeyfan
Sources: Cubs, Bradley agree to 3-year, $30M deal
This is going to be their year. I can feel it!
Melt-down Milton and Zumbroda on the same team. Sweet Lou will have his hands full in the locker room/nursery
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albusteve Mon, Jan 5, 2009 7:30:45pm |
re: #155 Shiplord Kirel
Reminds me of a joke (no doubt old to you but posted for the benefit of others):
Q. What does the Ku-Klux-Klan do when a Unitarian moves into town?
A. They burn a question mark on his lawn.
good one
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Kenneth Mon, Jan 5, 2009 7:30:47pm |
A day after speaking to Prime Minister Ehud Olmert and urging a cease-fire in Gaza only when Israel's security could be guaranteed, German Chancellor Angela Merkel on Monday spoke to Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas.
Her spokesman, Ulrich Wilhelm, reiterated the position of Merkel's administration following her conversation with Abbas: A sustained cease-fire is only possible when Israel's security can be ensured.
Merkel has been the only European head of state who has pinned the onus of responsibility for the outbreak of violence entirely on Hamas.
She stressed in her talk with Olmert that an effective cease-fire must put an end to weapons smuggling into Gaza.
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sattv4u2 Mon, Jan 5, 2009 7:30:53pm |
re: #140 albusteve
so it's not about legitimacy or content or accountability?...I get it now
wouldn't you vote for the one you thought was the most legitimate, had the best content and was accountable? Or isn't that how you decide when you vote?
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Occasional Reader Mon, Jan 5, 2009 7:31:34pm |
re: #142 Dar ul Harb
Hey, I'm Unitarian. That's pretty damn close.
/
Unitarians... aren't those the ones who believe that Moses came down from the mountain with the Ten Suggestions?
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freetoken Mon, Jan 5, 2009 7:31:37pm |
re: #150 Sharmuta
Last time I looked, there was no mention of a religious requirement to being conservative.
What's strange is that I don't really consider LGF to be a "conservative" blog...
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NY Nana Mon, Jan 5, 2009 7:31:54pm |
re: #49 MandyManners
I wonder if LGF
2-0 isin therunning....away and hiding, quivering in fear, and covered in poop, and their own drool.
/Fixed it for you!
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Jan 5, 2009 7:32:12pm |
re: #156 n in wi
Melt-down Milton and Zumbroda on the same team. Sweet Lou will have his hands full in the locker room/nursery
Smack!
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BlueCanuck Mon, Jan 5, 2009 7:32:16pm |
re: #93 LEGION
Well there are three other choices. Five Feet of Fury (she's really nice), Ezra Levant, and Canadian Sentinel.
/I had a real hard choice to pick.
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notutopia Mon, Jan 5, 2009 7:32:37pm |
re: #150 Sharmuta
Last time I looked, there was no mention of a religious requirement to being conservative.
AMEN, Sharmuta!
Aw shucks, I guess that means I let the cat out of the bag that I'm NOT a conservative atheist!
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NOBAMADADA Mon, Jan 5, 2009 7:33:03pm |
re: #164 freetoken
What's strange is that I don't really consider LGF to be a "conservative" blog...
Most LGF members feel the same way..
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Dar ul Harb Mon, Jan 5, 2009 7:33:06pm |
re: #160 Iron Fist
Close, but true atheists are more certain about their beliefs than Unitarians are. At least the Unitarians I've met.
That reminds me of a joke.
Unitarians believe in one God ...at the most.
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Archimedes Mon, Jan 5, 2009 7:33:15pm |
It has to be LGFs. It's the one I frequent most and get most use from. A great tool. Actually, it's much more than a "blog".
Hey, Charles, about the 2008 Fiskie, if Cox and Forkum for some reason can't do it, I'll do it for you! I do a great stick figure man!
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lawhawk Mon, Jan 5, 2009 7:33:15pm |
I've been going through the photos again on Getty Images, and if you believed what you saw, you'd think that Israel targeted only children. There's a stunning lack of adults being captured on film being brought to the hospitals or receiving medical care at all.
Can't imagine why that's the case. /
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jwb7605 Mon, Jan 5, 2009 7:33:35pm |
I clicked on the "best blog design", thinking LGF might be listed because of the way this is laid out and visually presented (not to mention the enhancements).
That should read "best design blog", IMO.
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sattv4u2 Mon, Jan 5, 2009 7:33:35pm |
re: #168 notutopia
AMEN, Sharmuta!
Aw shucks, I guess that means I let the cat out of the bag that I'm NOT a conservative atheist!
that you did ,, but now we wonder if your cat is ?
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Vaak Mon, Jan 5, 2009 7:33:59pm |
Not purely conservative, but, without doubt, the best blog on that list, you got my vote.
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Ringo the Gringo Mon, Jan 5, 2009 7:34:00pm |
Senator Al Franken....That's a pill more bitter to swallow than President Barack Obama.
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Mich-again Mon, Jan 5, 2009 7:34:01pm |
re: #139 Tarkus289
Horrible stuff there. Prayers for those involved and their families and all their countrymen.
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njdhockeyfan Mon, Jan 5, 2009 7:34:04pm |
Mayor Villaraigosa throws support behind Israel
Los Angeles Mayor Antonio Villaraigosa threw his support behind Israel this afternoon, backing the country in its latest strikes against Hamas and its invasion of the Gaza Strip.
The announcement, made during a news conference, pleased Jewish leaders in Los Angeles, but sparked anger among local Muslim groups.
"I've been to Sderot and seen the wreckage caused by a constant barrage of rocket attacks," Villaraigosa said of the city in southern Israel. "I've met parents afraid to let their kids play in the streets and students unable to go to school each day. I've walked along empty roads, visited vacant buildings and witnessed the sheer destruction of a town decimated by eight years of missile strikes."
The mayor wasn't alone in his backing. He was joined by City Council members Wendy Greuel, Janice Hahn, Jack Weiss and Dennis Zine. Jacob Dayan, Israel's consulate general to the southwestern United States, thanked the mayor and council members for their support at the news conference at the Jewish Federation's Goldsmith Center, on Wilshire Boulevard.
"At a time like this, in a fight like this, where the odds and the deck are stacked against Israel, thank God Los Angeles and thank God Mayor Villaraigosa are there to stand with Israel," said Councilman Weiss, who represents the city's 5th District.
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Silhouette Mon, Jan 5, 2009 7:34:15pm |
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lawhawk Mon, Jan 5, 2009 7:34:27pm |
re: #76 LEGION
Hey, I used to resemble that remark. In my college days, I'd be dressed for summer in the dead of winter - shorts and sweatshirt and it's 20 below out. Albany NY can do that for ya!
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MandyManners Mon, Jan 5, 2009 7:34:36pm |
Kilgore, quick aside of a personal nature.
I have some questions about how to find a guitar teacher for The Kid. Does your e-addy begin with the letters "pud"?
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Silhouette Mon, Jan 5, 2009 7:35:14pm |
re: #179 njdhockeyfan
Well, that's nice, but does it really help any more than condemnation from Berkeley city council hurts?
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Dianna Mon, Jan 5, 2009 7:35:21pm |
re: #175 Iron Fist
The only time you hear the name "Jesus Christ" in a Unitarian Church is when the custodian trips on the stairs.
Ahem?!
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Archimedes Mon, Jan 5, 2009 7:35:27pm |
re: #164 freetoken
What's strange is that I don't really consider LGF to be a "conservative" blog...
Yes, although I voted it the best, I agree with you. It's partially a blog, but it's more of a news source, with a great little interactive community supplying the news along with light hearted banter.
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revobob Mon, Jan 5, 2009 7:35:42pm |
re: #181 lawhawk
Hey, I used to resemble that remark. In my college days, I'd be dressed for summer in the dead of winter - shorts and sweatshirt and it's 20 below out. Albany NY can do that for ya!
St. Paul would break you of it REAL quick!
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Shug Mon, Jan 5, 2009 7:35:53pm |
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notutopia Mon, Jan 5, 2009 7:36:06pm |
re: #174 sattv4u2
that you did ,, but now we wonder if your cat is ?
1 out the bag, 2 still in the bag....1 is hibernating for the winter and doesn't count till spring. I think she's still breathing...I better go check.
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Dar ul Harb Mon, Jan 5, 2009 7:36:18pm |
re: #175 Iron Fist
Oh, well, we might as well get them all out there...
Q: What do you get when you cross an Unitarian with a Jehovah's Witness?
A: Someone who rings your doorbell for no apparent reason.
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sattv4u2 Mon, Jan 5, 2009 7:36:18pm |
re: #172 lawhawk
I've been going through the photos again on Getty Images, and if you believed what you saw, you'd think that Israel targeted only children. There's a stunning lack of adults being captured on film being brought to the hospitals or receiving medical care at all.
Can't imagine why that's the case. /
What struck me was the amazing amount of young men standing around mugging for the camera (non-injured civilians) I would think if this country were "invaded by occupiers" as the palis say is happening, wouldn't young USA men be RUNNING to help the armed forces?
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MandyManners Mon, Jan 5, 2009 7:36:21pm |
re: #165 NY Nana
/Fixed it for you!
I wonder if LGF2-0 is in the running....away and hiding, quivering in fear, and covered in poop, and their own drool.
/Fixed it for you!
You forgot the stuff about SNOT.
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NOBAMADADA Mon, Jan 5, 2009 7:36:26pm |
re: #181 lawhawk
Hey, I used to resemble that remark. In my college days, I'd be dressed for summer in the dead of winter - shorts and sweatshirt and it's 20 below out. Albany NY can do that for ya!
Ahh Albany..Best 2 years of my life..cough cough..
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Bloodnok Mon, Jan 5, 2009 7:36:33pm |
re: #182 MandyManners
Kilgore, quick aside of a personal nature.
I have some questions about how to find a guitar teacher for The Kid. Does your e-addy begin with the letters "pud"?
I know that this was an earnest request, but this really cracked me up. Sometimes you just can't help it.
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Sharmuta Mon, Jan 5, 2009 7:36:38pm |
re: #164 freetoken
What's strange is that I don't really consider LGF to be a "conservative" blog...
I think it depends on what one means by "conservative", obviously. If we're talking Goldwater conservatism, then LGF would have a place, but if by "conservative" one means "fundamentalist Christian", then no- this is not a conservative blog. I would also tell anyone who thinks "conservative" means "fundamentalist Christian" that they're flat out wrong.
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sattv4u2 Mon, Jan 5, 2009 7:36:43pm |
re: #177 Ringo the Gringo
Senator Al Franken....That's a pill more bitter to swallow than President Barack Obama.
stop ,, I'm eating!
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albusteve Mon, Jan 5, 2009 7:36:59pm |
re: #159 sattv4u2
wouldn't you vote for the one you thought was the most legitimate, had the best content and was accountable? Or isn't that how you decide when you vote?
you put my own words back in my mouth...clever...I dont understand the multiple vote angle...whats the benefit in that?...it will only skew the intended result would it not?
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n in wi Mon, Jan 5, 2009 7:37:09pm |
re: #172 lawhawk
I've been going through the photos again on Getty Images, and if you believed what you saw, you'd think that Israel targeted only children. There's a stunning lack of adults being captured on film being brought to the hospitals or receiving medical care at all.
Can't imagine why that's the case. /
Who kills more Islamic children, Israel,or Islamo fascist?
/Rhetorical,I know the answer.
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OldLineTexan Mon, Jan 5, 2009 7:37:34pm |
Is this the line for the zionist honco lecture?
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Dianna Mon, Jan 5, 2009 7:37:47pm |
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jwb7605 Mon, Jan 5, 2009 7:38:00pm |
re: #195 Sharmuta
I think it depends on what one means by "conservative", obviously. If we're talking Goldwater conservatism, then LGF would have a place, but if by "conservative" one means "fundamentalist Christian", then no- this is not a conservative blog. I would also tell anyone who thinks "conservative" means "fundamentalist Christian" that they're flat out wrong.
You're on a roll tonight.
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Kenneth Mon, Jan 5, 2009 7:38:04pm |
Obama's grandparents were Unitarian, by the way.
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NY Nana Mon, Jan 5, 2009 7:38:21pm |
re: #192 MandyManners
I wonder if LGF2-0 is in the running....away and hiding, quivering in fear, and covered in poop, and their own drool.
/Fixed it for you!
You forgot the stuff about SNOT.
Ouch! That's snot funny!
/My bad!
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Dar ul Harb Mon, Jan 5, 2009 7:38:33pm |
Yeah, yeah, Unitarian jokes are so tedious.
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OldLineTexan Mon, Jan 5, 2009 7:38:39pm |
re: #189 Iron Fist
Because whatever his faults, Obama didn't steal his election. Franken, OTOH, practically stuck a gun to the teller's face and demanded the
moneyseat.
Damned straight. Bought and paid for, fair and square.
/may you rot, George Soros
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NOBAMADADA Mon, Jan 5, 2009 7:38:42pm |
re: #200 OldLineTexan
Is this the line for the zionist honco lecture?
Yep get your a** to the back! Sorry i grew up in NYC.
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Gearhead Mon, Jan 5, 2009 7:38:48pm |
re: #177 Ringo the Gringo
Senator Al Franken....That's a pill more bitter to swallow than President Barack Obama.
Senator Franken...Senator Al Franken...Senator Al Franken (D- MN). Bleah.
Harry Reid is relieved that he will no longer be the dumbest guy in the chamber.
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MandyManners Mon, Jan 5, 2009 7:39:23pm |
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sattv4u2 Mon, Jan 5, 2009 7:39:44pm |
re: #197 albusteve
you put my own words back in my mouth...clever...I dont understand the multiple vote angle...whats the benefit in that?...it will only skew the intended result would it not?
Not really clever. If you're going to issue a standard it's good to see if you abide by it.
As far as multiple votes, as long as everyone has the same opportunity to vote multiple times. It's not like I want to vote for LGF 17 times, but you're limited to vote for a "competitor" only once!
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NY Nana Mon, Jan 5, 2009 7:40:11pm |
re: #203 Kenneth
And the grandmother was thrown under the bus.
/How nice that The One deigned to visit Hawaii so many weeks after she died.
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Killgore Trout Mon, Jan 5, 2009 7:40:12pm |
re: #182 MandyManners
Kilgore, quick aside of a personal nature.
I have some questions about how to find a guitar teacher for The Kid. Does your e-addy begin with the letters "pud"?
Pud, heh, Yes. It has been a long time since I've been in the guitar market but I might have some advice that could be useful.
| 216 |
Kenneth Mon, Jan 5, 2009 7:40:18pm |
re: #210 MandyManners
Maternal of course, his paternal grandparents, back in Kenya, were Muslim.
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MandyManners Mon, Jan 5, 2009 7:40:28pm |
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Dar ul Harb Mon, Jan 5, 2009 7:40:40pm |
re: #203 Kenneth
Obama's grandparents were Unitarian, by the way.
Presumably the white ones.
The other side of the family was probably animist or that slave religion, Islam.
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OldLineTexan Mon, Jan 5, 2009 7:40:50pm |
re: #207 NOBAMADADA
Yep get your a** to the back! Sorry i grew up in NYC.
Wait a minute...lemme get out my NYC phrase boof from Fodor...
ahhh...here is the counter greeting, I think...
F&CK YOUSE!
////
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Outrider Mon, Jan 5, 2009 7:40:59pm |
re: #194 Bloodnok
I know that this was an earnest request, but this really cracked me up. Sometimes you just can't help it.
whew. I'm not the only one cracking up laughing after reading the comment then? ;-)>
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Jan 5, 2009 7:41:05pm |
re: #187 Shug
Let's please make this story into a thread. I want to watch the creationists tie themselves into knots trying to 'explain' away this one. Moonbats and Morlocks are good eating, but I'm hungry for some roast creationist troll tonight!
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revobob Mon, Jan 5, 2009 7:41:24pm |
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Gearhead Mon, Jan 5, 2009 7:41:30pm |
re: #217 MandyManners
Oh, the joys of snot jokes!
Don't kiss your honey
If your nose is runny.
You may think it's funny,
But it's...
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MandyManners Mon, Jan 5, 2009 7:41:42pm |
re: #216 Kenneth
Maternal of course, his paternal grandparents, back in Kenya, were Muslim.
Just wanting some sort of record.
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NY Nana Mon, Jan 5, 2009 7:42:06pm |
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Mon, Jan 5, 2009 7:42:13pm |
Atlas leading LGF by 100. :facepalm:
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revobob Mon, Jan 5, 2009 7:42:22pm |
re: #221 Outrider
whew. I'm not the only one cracking up laughing after reading the comment then? ;-)>
Definitely not- and if I were KT, I'm not sure I'd admit even if it's true!
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Archimedes Mon, Jan 5, 2009 7:42:24pm |
re: #201 Dianna
Which is fine, except that it's mine!
Yup, that joke is registered to Dianna on the domain site "WhoOwnsWhatJoke.Com" It's definitely hers.
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jwb7605 Mon, Jan 5, 2009 7:42:26pm |
re: #197 albusteve
you put my own words back in my mouth...clever...I dont understand the multiple vote angle...whats the benefit in that?...it will only skew the intended result would it not?
From another perspective, it will allow me to give LGF 3 votes, and VDH one vote. I like both, but LGF is more better, carefully not dangling participles.
At the end of the voting period, that accumulation -- averaged -- might yield an accurate opinion from the readers in aggregate.
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notutopia Mon, Jan 5, 2009 7:42:55pm |
re: #220 OldLineTexan
Wait a minute...lemme get out my NYC phrase boof from Fodor...
ahhh...here is the counter greeting, I think...
F&CK YOUSE!
////
According to the pace salsa commercial ,
it's Getta rope!
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Outrider Mon, Jan 5, 2009 7:43:17pm |
re: #212 sattv4u2
Not really clever. If you're going to issue a standard it's good to see if you abide by it.
As far as multiple votes, as long as everyone has the same opportunity to vote multiple times. It's not like I want to vote for LGF 17 times, but you're limited to vote for a "competitor" only once!
it also has the benefit of bringing many more visitors to that particular site... every day.
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gclaghorn Mon, Jan 5, 2009 7:43:23pm |
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njdhockeyfan Mon, Jan 5, 2009 7:43:28pm |
re: #187 Shug
I gotta get one for my 6 year old daughter. Pink is her favorite color and she loves lizards.
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OldLineTexan Mon, Jan 5, 2009 7:44:05pm |
re: #215 Killgore Trout
Pud, heh, Yes. It has been a long time since I've been in the guitar market but I might have some advice that could be useful.
Wouldn't "pud" be more of an e-mail for a drum-maker?
Or is this the mythical pud bird?
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Dianna Mon, Jan 5, 2009 7:44:16pm |
re: #231 Archimedes
Yup, that joke is registered to Dianna on the domain site "WhoOwnsWhatJoke.Com" It's definitely hers.
Oh, honestly. I said that ages ago. I was rather proud of it.
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Mich-again Mon, Jan 5, 2009 7:45:15pm |
re: #222 Dark_Falcon
"We think the population is very small and there is a great risk of extinction," Gentile said.
If their extinction is imminent because of natural selection, why interrupt nature. F* em.
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Digital Display Mon, Jan 5, 2009 7:45:28pm |
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Archimedes Mon, Jan 5, 2009 7:45:52pm |
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Dianna Mon, Jan 5, 2009 7:45:54pm |
re: #243 Iron Fist
I guess I owe her some royalties out of my profit. Let's see, nothing out of, well, nothing...I'm coming up with nothing.
Not profit - it's just one of the few really clever things I've typed off the top of my head. I'm just a smidge possessive.
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Outrider Mon, Jan 5, 2009 7:46:10pm |
re: #239 OldLineTexan
Wouldn't "pud" be more of an e-mail for a drum-maker?
Or is this the mythical pud bird?
it refers to the always elusive pud chord that few outside of Jimi could ever find. ;-)>
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hous bin pharteen Mon, Jan 5, 2009 7:46:12pm |
If Al Franken is eligible for the vote, it will be rigged. Now we are getting a limousine liberal in the senate. One that has a cocaine problem now, (oh, i don't use it now. Yeah, right) Cheats his employees on there medical benefits, has been proven to cheat on his corporate income taxes, yet alone the fraudulent votes he has now.
What are the assholes going to come up with next? Dig up the body of Lenin and Stalin and run them in the next election?
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NY Nana Mon, Jan 5, 2009 7:46:14pm |
re: #229 Slumbering Behemoth
She must be getting the Vlaams Belang vote.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Mon, Jan 5, 2009 7:46:32pm |
re: #62 Sharmuta
Actually- it's a bit embarrassing to see pamela on the list with such incredible intellects as VDH and Bill Whittle.
It is a shame to see how few votes Mr. Whittle has received so far. Sad, really. I wish I could vote twice.
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MandyManners Mon, Jan 5, 2009 7:47:14pm |
re: #215 Killgore Trout
Pud, heh, Yes. It has been a long time since I've been in the guitar market but I might have some advice that could be useful.
Maybe I'm misremembering but, I believe I recall you offering advice about how to proceed with The Kid's guitar a few months ago.
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Jan 5, 2009 7:47:15pm |
re: #227 Iron Fist
Except for the grandparents that were Mohammedan. You notice that Obama never spoke of them. That was passing strange as such a huge part of his campaign was "Vote for me because I'm black!" You'd have thought that he would made some reference to his African family, but if he did, it was so low key as to be virtually unnoticable.
He couldn't talk about them. No matter what he really believes about God, being connected to Islam is a net minus when seeking national office in the USA.
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notutopia Mon, Jan 5, 2009 7:47:21pm |
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Sharmuta Mon, Jan 5, 2009 7:47:32pm |
re: #253 Slumbering Behemoth
It is a shame to see how few votes Mr. Whittle has received so far. Sad, really. I wish I could vote twice.
I agree- Bill deserves better. Once LGF is ahead of the fascist sympathizer, I will send a couple votes Bill's way.
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Outrider Mon, Jan 5, 2009 7:47:45pm |
re: #251 hous bin pharteen
If Al Franken is eligible for the vote, it will be rigged. Now we are getting a limousine liberal in the senate. One that has a cocaine problem now, (oh, i don't use it now. Yeah, right) Cheats his employees on there medical benefits, has been proven to cheat on his corporate income taxes, yet alone the fraudulent votes he has now.
What are the assholes going to come up with next? Dig up the body of Lenin and Stalin and run them in the next election?
can they meet the residency requirements in Chicago before the next election?
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Dar ul Harb Mon, Jan 5, 2009 7:47:52pm |
re: #253 Slumbering Behemoth
It is a shame to see how few votes Mr. Whittle has received so far. Sad, really. I wish I could vote twice.
You can vote twice. Just not in the same day.
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sattv4u2 Mon, Jan 5, 2009 7:48:21pm |
re: #251 hous bin pharteen
What are the assholes going to come up with next? Dig up the body of Lenin and Stalin and run them in the next election?
Why bother digging them up? The moonbats would vote for them regardless!
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OldLineTexan Mon, Jan 5, 2009 7:48:27pm |
re: #252 NY Nana
She must be getting the Vlaams Belang vote.
We could tie the Phlegmish issue to the snot jokes...
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hous bin pharteen Mon, Jan 5, 2009 7:48:32pm |
re: #164 freetoken
No. You are like many people here. You can actually THINK.
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Killgore Trout Mon, Jan 5, 2009 7:48:56pm |
re: #239 OldLineTexan
Puddin'head Wilson. It a Mark Twain thing.
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NY Nana Mon, Jan 5, 2009 7:49:14pm |
re: #238 ArmyWife
How do you make a kleenex dance?
Put a little boogie in it!
AAAAAARGHH! ;)
Good one!
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n in wi Mon, Jan 5, 2009 7:49:35pm |
re: #266 Iron Fist
He doesn't use cocaine, it's just he likes the way it smells. Besides, it's like his body developed some kind of massive drug deficiency. He's just trying to bring his drug levels back into what's normal for him.
For the children!
And to protect the environment.
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sattv4u2 Mon, Jan 5, 2009 7:49:36pm |
re: #265 Shug
The Big Ten is a fraud
whats a fraud is playing these games 4-5 WEEKS after each team last played a game!
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Jan 5, 2009 7:50:13pm |
re: #245 Mich-again
"We think the population is very small and there is a great risk of extinction," Gentile said.
If their extinction is imminent because of natural selection, why interrupt nature. F* em.
Down-ding. They are a unique species that we might learn a great deal by studying, not to mention that I am never in favor of allowing species to go extinct when we can save them.
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sngnsgt Mon, Jan 5, 2009 7:50:18pm |
re: #238 ArmyWife
LOL! Please don't mind if I steal that one.
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OldLineTexan Mon, Jan 5, 2009 7:50:24pm |
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Shug Mon, Jan 5, 2009 7:51:11pm |
re: #273 Dark_Falcon
Down-ding. They are a unique species that we might learn a great deal by studying, not to mention that I am never in favor of allowing species to go extinct when we can save them.
I am in favor of allowing Hamas to become extinct
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Jan 5, 2009 7:51:23pm |
Glad to be able to offer a national "ding" for Charles!
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Jan 5, 2009 7:52:04pm |
Gettin' ugly fast for OSU.
Again.
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ArmyWife Mon, Jan 5, 2009 7:52:15pm |
re: #274 sngnsgt
Not at all. I'll mark it as free use on "WhoOwnsWhatJoke.com"
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Silhouette Mon, Jan 5, 2009 7:52:20pm |
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n in wi Mon, Jan 5, 2009 7:52:32pm |
re: #272 sattv4u2
whats a fraud is playing these games 4-5 WEEKS after each team last played a game!
I think Obama's in favor of a play off system.
He won't say it officially as the re is only one college football commissioner at a time.
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DisturbedEma Mon, Jan 5, 2009 7:52:40pm |
re: #278 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Glad to be able to offer a national "ding" for Charles!
My ding a ling for Charles. . .wait. . .:)
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sattv4u2 Mon, Jan 5, 2009 7:53:05pm |
re: #282 n in wi
I think Obama's in favor of a p
lay off system.
He won't say it officially as the re is only one college football commissioner at a time.
we know that ! !
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Jan 5, 2009 7:53:13pm |
re: #260 Dar ul Harb
You can vote twice. Just not in the same day.
But, we, wouldn't do that.
/Ron Paul
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hous bin pharteen Mon, Jan 5, 2009 7:53:27pm |
re: #259 Outrider
Sure. That seams to not apply if you are a Democrats. Hillary, and Kennedy from New York? Need I go one?
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Mon, Jan 5, 2009 7:53:38pm |
re: #252 NY Nana
Must be. But as The Mighty Sharm has said, it is embarrassing that it's even on the list, and more embarrassing still that it's coming in #2 out of 14.
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sngnsgt Mon, Jan 5, 2009 7:54:06pm |
Blair to get US Medal of Freedom
Former UK Prime Minister Tony Blair will receive the highest civilian award in the US - the Presidential Medal of Freedom - next week.
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sattv4u2 Mon, Jan 5, 2009 7:55:18pm |
re: #279 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Gettin' ugly fast for OSU.
Again.
Maybe they should bring the band back out on the field!
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Mon, Jan 5, 2009 7:55:19pm |
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MandyManners Mon, Jan 5, 2009 7:55:21pm |
re: #252 NY Nana
She must be getting the Vlaams Belang vote.
Oh, you know it. Maybe the StormFront vote, too.
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Sharmuta Mon, Jan 5, 2009 7:55:56pm |
re: #292 Slumbering Behemoth
You can vote every 24 hours, and I'm going to put some work computers behind this effort.
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Killgore Trout Mon, Jan 5, 2009 7:56:28pm |
re: #254 MandyManners
he's still quite young. Buy him something cheap, maybe $100-$200. I'd recommend a nylon string classical guitar, it's easier on the fingers. Sign him up for some lessons (group or private), he'll learn how to tune it and a few chords but don't make him treat it like a priceless gem. He's going to beat on it with Lincoln Logs and put cheerios inside. That's good because it's a fun toy, let him play and experiment. If he wants to continue you can progress to a steel string in a few years then on to an electric. He'll learn to respect them in time but start out cheap and let him play.
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jwb7605 Mon, Jan 5, 2009 7:56:39pm |
re: #293 Sharmuta
Please don't link that site.
Sorry, I guess. It just doesn't belong in the category. In any sense.
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Kenneth Mon, Jan 5, 2009 7:57:30pm |
Taliban Target Children, Caught On Video
Evil ROP monsters.
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ciaospirit Mon, Jan 5, 2009 7:57:58pm |
re: #189 Iron Fist
Because whatever his faults, Obama didn't steal his election.
Hillary PUMAs would beg to differ with you on that, starting back at the Primaries.
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MandyManners Mon, Jan 5, 2009 7:57:59pm |
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rawmuse Mon, Jan 5, 2009 7:58:00pm |
Wake board surfing while playing the trombone.
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hous bin pharteen Mon, Jan 5, 2009 7:58:22pm |
re: #266 Iron Fist
My mistake. I won't mention it again. If I see him in person sniffing a line, I will assume it's sugar for his coffee he spills.
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notutopia Mon, Jan 5, 2009 7:58:35pm |
re: #290 jwb7605
Has anybody else noticed the shilling going on at Atlas Shrugs to vote for them?
Compare that to the rest of the competition on the "Best Conservative Blog" category, including LGF.
Truth is in the "brain" of the beholder.
Vote For Me........Because I bring you the unfettered truth. Every day. I serve no one except the truth mastuh......
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jorline Mon, Jan 5, 2009 7:58:46pm |
Just voted for LGF.
It's feels great casting a vote for a winner verses a wiener...unlike 11/04/08.
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jwb7605 Mon, Jan 5, 2009 7:58:51pm |
re: #297 taxfreekiller
Its just not fair, all that ice, how's a fraud like Al Gore going to deal with facts like ice covering the north and south poles, its just not fair.
boo, hoo, hoo
You still don't get it. It just proves his Carbon Credit program works. The science is settled!
/just in case ...
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Jan 5, 2009 8:00:16pm |
I am glad to vote for LGF... However, I don't look anywhere else unless linked. Then I come back here to play with you guys.
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Kenneth Mon, Jan 5, 2009 8:00:32pm |
re: #298 Killgore Trout
He's going to beat on it with Lincoln Logs and put cheerios inside. That's good because it's a fun toy, let him play and experiment.
Great parenting advice, in any situation.
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OldLineTexan Mon, Jan 5, 2009 8:00:50pm |
re: #311 jwb7605
Whoever came up with the list isn't.
Why? Aren't all conservatives heartless racist zionist honco bastards?
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NY Nana Mon, Jan 5, 2009 8:01:06pm |
re: #287 Slumbering Behemoth
Sharm is right...and hopefully people will wake up.
Atlas is already so full of herself that she might explode.
Everything is I, I, I and me, me, me.
In case some of the newer lizards do not know what she did to Charles, her 'blog Daddy', here are the comments.
As far as I know, she never had the decency to apologize to Charles.
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jorline Mon, Jan 5, 2009 8:01:19pm |
re: #308 jorline
Just voted for LGF.
It's feels great casting a vote for a winner verses a wiener...unlike 11/04/08.
PIMF...It
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hous bin pharteen Mon, Jan 5, 2009 8:01:22pm |
re: #271 n in wi
There you go THINKING again! KNOCK IT OFF!
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Jan 5, 2009 8:01:44pm |
Boy, those Buckeyes can kick some field goals, can't they?
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Bloodnok Mon, Jan 5, 2009 8:01:46pm |
re: #298 Killgore Trout
That is such good advice. I learned on a cheap nylon string that I absolutely destroyed. But it hooked me.
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Mich-again Mon, Jan 5, 2009 8:02:21pm |
re: #277 Shug
But we might learn a great deal by studying them.
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bosforus Mon, Jan 5, 2009 8:02:58pm |
[Link: www.cnn.com...]
Twitter accounts of Obama, Britney Spears hacked
First Fox News Twitter followers read a false message about Bill O'Reilly's sexuality Monday morning after hackers launched several attacks.
Excuse my immaturity but I simply must laugh at this description just thinking of what might have actually been posted.
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Shug Mon, Jan 5, 2009 8:03:01pm |
re: #321 Mich-again
But we might learn a great deal by studying them.
we can study them like we studied the aliens from Roswell
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Mich-again Mon, Jan 5, 2009 8:03:46pm |
re: #315 NY Nana
She used to drop in here and leave one sentence spread out over 10 posts one word at a time.
Hey everyone. LOOK AT ME!
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jwb7605 Mon, Jan 5, 2009 8:03:53pm |
re: #312 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I am glad to vote for LGF... However, I don't look anywhere else unless linked. Then I come back here to play with you guys.
Which is where I screwed up.
I pasted the link from the list of contenders.
I actually test-drove a couple of places I don't remember going to.
The problem is that the world will do the same thing.
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jwb7605 Mon, Jan 5, 2009 8:04:42pm |
re: #314 OldLineTexan
Why? Aren't all conservatives heartless racist zionist honco bastards?
No, but 4 out of 5 aren't bad. (you guess ...)
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wolfie Mon, Jan 5, 2009 8:05:01pm |
Is "Best Blog Design" supposed to be a purely aesthetic category? Or does it mean best in terms of practicality, etc.? If the latter, I think LGF should have been nominated for sure! It's by far the most user-friendly blog I've ever seen.
Maybe they can't nominate a blog in more than one category. (Phooey!)
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Shug Mon, Jan 5, 2009 8:05:40pm |
re: #330 wolfie
Is "Best Blog Design" supposed to be a purely aesthetic category? Or does it mean best in terms of practicality, etc.? If the latter, I think LGF should have been nominated for sure! It's by far the most user-friendly blog I've ever seen.
Maybe they can't nominate a blog in more than one category. (Phooey!)
They ought to have a "best in show"
| 333 |
MandyManners Mon, Jan 5, 2009 8:05:44pm |
re: #298 Killgore Trout
he's still quite young. Buy him something cheap, maybe $100-$200. I'd recommend a nylon string classical guitar, it's easier on the fingers. Sign him up for some lessons (group or private), he'll learn how to tune it and a few chords but don't make him treat it like a priceless gem. He's going to beat on it with Lincoln Logs and put cheerios inside. That's good because it's a fun toy, let him play and experiment. If he wants to continue you can progress to a steel string in a few years then on to an electric. He'll learn to respect them in time but start out cheap and let him play.
He's toyed with the idea for a long time, in the same way he has with other things.
The Lincoln Log thing is long past, as is the Cheerio thing.
He's asked about lessons for a few months. Recently, I've noticed him trying to "plink and plunk" during Hanna Montana.
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Dar ul Harb Mon, Jan 5, 2009 8:05:51pm |
re: #320 Bloodnok
That is such good advice. I learned on a cheap nylon string that I absolutely destroyed. But it hooked me.
You're lucky.
Few fish survive the encounter with the Honco Pocket Fisherman.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Jan 5, 2009 8:06:33pm |
Oh shit. Obama the restaurant reviewer?
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Salamantis Mon, Jan 5, 2009 8:06:39pm |
re: #170 Dar ul Harb
That reminds me of a joke.
Unitarians believe in one God ...at the most.
Not true; check out CUUPS:
[Link: www.cuups.org...]
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jwb7605 Mon, Jan 5, 2009 8:07:00pm |
re: #330 wolfie
Is "Best Blog Design" supposed to be a purely aesthetic category? Or does it mean best in terms of practicality, etc.? If the latter, I think LGF should have been nominated for sure! It's by far the most user-friendly blog I've ever seen.
Maybe they can't nominate a blog in more than one category. (Phooey!)
GMTA
All the links are on home/office design topics.
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OldLineTexan Mon, Jan 5, 2009 8:07:09pm |
re: #329 jwb7605
No, but 4 out of 5 aren't bad. (you guess ...)
So your parents were married. Don't get a big head.
/////
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Mon, Jan 5, 2009 8:07:11pm |
re: #296 Sharmuta
Git 'er done, Sharm!
Still, my concern for such online, Best/Worst polls could be measured in Micro Give-a-Shits.
Every online polling site on the web could name LGF and/or Eject! Eject! Eject! "Like, the worst blog in the history of the web. Like EVAR!", and it wouldn't matter a whit to me. They would still be among my favorite and most frequented blogs.
P.S., Why no HotAir? I like the HotAir.
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ciaospirit Mon, Jan 5, 2009 8:07:36pm |
re: #316 Iron Fist
You will go far in the New Democrat Order.
This just in from the New Democrat Order. Extraordinary renditions?
Obama is sending an unequivocal message that controversial administration policies approving harsh interrogations, waterboarding and extraordinary renditions — the secret transfer of prisoners to other governments with a history of torture — and warrantless wiretapping are over, said several officials.
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shiplord kirel Mon, Jan 5, 2009 8:08:07pm |
re: #334 Dar ul Harb
You're lucky.
Few fish survive the encounter with the Honco Pocket Fisherman.
Every gourmet cannibal needs the Honco onion-chopper: It slices, it dices; great for fava beans, too.
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njdhockeyfan Mon, Jan 5, 2009 8:08:13pm |
re: #335 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Oh shit. Obama the restaurant reviewer?
Does he review a Waffle House?
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njdhockeyfan Mon, Jan 5, 2009 8:09:36pm |
re: #344 taxfreekiller
Alan Colmbs is a ever present smirk, no, never ending smirk, ya, like that.
How long before he goes away,,, please, please, Fox pay off his contract and give him a gold watch and out the door,,,, please....!
Who is replacing Skelator?
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hous bin pharteen Mon, Jan 5, 2009 8:09:37pm |
re: #297 taxfreekiller
There ice on the north pole?
Who would have thunk that?
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ciaospirit Mon, Jan 5, 2009 8:09:44pm |
re: #335 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Oh shit. Obama the restaurant reviewer?
This is the extent of his business experience.
| 349 |
Dar ul Harb Mon, Jan 5, 2009 8:09:49pm |
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notutopia Mon, Jan 5, 2009 8:10:11pm |
re: #335 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Oh shit. Obama the restaurant reviewer?
The pale blue eye shadow is VERY becoming on him.
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Ojoe Mon, Jan 5, 2009 8:10:33pm |
LGF is best primitive stinker blog.
— Sasquatch.
X
(his mark)
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sngnsgt Mon, Jan 5, 2009 8:11:24pm |
re: #344 taxfreekiller
Alan Colmes is a tool. Didn't he have a radio show that's been disappeared?
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Mon, Jan 5, 2009 8:12:02pm |
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jcm Mon, Jan 5, 2009 8:12:19pm |
Rumors are flying in WA State that Gregoire is being tapped to replace Richardson as Sec. Commerce.
Please, please Obama, take her please. She's driven the the State budget $6B into the red, can't take responsibility for anything and can't make decisions with out years and years of committees and studies.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Mon, Jan 5, 2009 8:13:30pm |
re: #341 Sharmuta
I see. I guess I should have looked further into the link than just the surface. I know better than that. :hangs head:
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Killgore Trout Mon, Jan 5, 2009 8:13:38pm |
re: #333 MandyManners
Get him something cheap and let him abuse the hell out of it. I still have my first guitar which was bought for me in 2nd or 3rd grade. I put firecrackers inside it and beat on it with drumsticks. When I took up an interested in lutherie in my mid 20's I ripped off the fingerboard and developed my own interchangeable microtonal fingerboards with various scales. I just went to the basement and dug it out. I'm playing it now. Big fun after all these years.
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jwb7605 Mon, Jan 5, 2009 8:13:45pm |
re: #352 sngnsgt
Alan Colmes is a tool. Didn't he have a radio show that's been disappeared?
Yes. I never listened to it, but one evening he indicated he had to stop doing it because other things were taking too much of his time. (Probably editing and cleaning his blog entries ...)
I heard he's going to appear on NCIS as the dead body under the sheets.
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Digital Display Mon, Jan 5, 2009 8:13:49pm |
re: #354 jcm
Rumors are flying in WA State that Gregoire is being tapped to replace Richardson as Sec. Commerce.
Please, please Obama, take her please. She's driven the the State budget $6B into the red, can't take responsibility for anything and can't make decisions with out years and years of committees and studies.
mmmm. sounds like a perfect fit.
/
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sattv4u2 Mon, Jan 5, 2009 8:14:23pm |
re: #345 Tarkus289
January 12th, skeletor is gone.
not for long ,, and not far. He'll still be doing shows on Fox News
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notutopia Mon, Jan 5, 2009 8:15:06pm |
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Jan 5, 2009 8:15:12pm |
re: #335 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Oh shit. Obama the restaurant reviewer?
He's got good taste. Dixie Kitchen and Bait Shop is in Evanston, IL. It's a great place to eat and I still go there from time to time.
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traderjoe9 Mon, Jan 5, 2009 8:15:30pm |
Hamas doesn't let injured cross border to Egyptian hospitals...
[Link: news.bbc.co.uk...]
They take every opportunity they get to perpetuate deaths in Gaza and create the impression that a crisis exists...
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sattv4u2 Mon, Jan 5, 2009 8:15:54pm |
re: #352 sngnsgt
Alan Colmes is a tool. Didn't he have a radio show that's been disappeared?
he still has one of the widest liberal syndicated radio shows
| 366 |
NY Nana Mon, Jan 5, 2009 8:16:08pm |
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rawmuse Mon, Jan 5, 2009 8:16:54pm |
re: #357 Killgore Trout
I recently bought a nylon string Ibanez classical guitar. I got it at Musician's Friend, as a scratch and dent special. It was about 80 bucks, delivered to my door.
The box had a dent. The guitar was in perfect condition.
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reine.de.tout Mon, Jan 5, 2009 8:17:20pm |
re: #364 traderjoe9
Hamas doesn't let injured cross border to Egyptian hospitals...
[Link: news.bbc.co.uk...]
They take every opportunity they get to perpetuate deaths in Gaza and create the impression that a crisis exists...
I had heard that was the case, but I'm glad to have this link.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Jan 5, 2009 8:17:36pm |
re: #365 sattv4u2
he still has one of the widest liberal syndicated radio shows
On Sirius (Fox Talk). Sometimes it is a very engaging show.
(By sometimes, I mean once. That was when Ted Nugent was on it.)
Maybe that wasn't Alan.
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Jan 5, 2009 8:17:46pm |
re: #364 traderjoe9
Hamas doesn't let injured cross border to Egyptian hospitals...
[Link: news.bbc.co.uk...]
They take every opportunity they get to perpetuate deaths in Gaza and create the impression that a crisis exists...
That's not why they are doing that. They don't want to allow Islamists from Hamas into Egypt for fear that they will cause trouble.
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MandyManners Mon, Jan 5, 2009 8:17:51pm |
re: #357 Killgore Trout
Get him something cheap and let him abuse the hell out of it. I still have my first guitar which was bought for me in 2nd or 3rd grade. I put firecrackers inside it and beat on it with drumsticks. When I took up an interested in lutherie in my mid 20's I ripped off the fingerboard and developed my own interchangeable microtonal fingerboards with various scales. I just went to the basement and dug it out. I'm playing it now. Big fun after all these years.
Thanks!
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jwb7605 Mon, Jan 5, 2009 8:18:17pm |
re: #370 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
On Sirius (Fox Talk). Sometimes it is a very engaging show.
(By sometimes, I mean once. That was when Ted Nugent was on it.)
Maybe that wasn't Alan.
Charles needs to fix the single upding limit.
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jorline Mon, Jan 5, 2009 8:18:50pm |
re: #344 taxfreekiller
Alan Colmbs is a ever present smirk, no, never ending smirk, ya, like that.
How long before he goes away,,, please, please, Fox pay off his contract and give him a gold watch and out the door,,,, please....!
IMHO Colmbs is hoping to become Obama's Press Secretary.
//
Alan Colmbs is a Tim Burton creation.
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Desert Dog Mon, Jan 5, 2009 8:18:53pm |
re: #368 rawmuse
I recently bought a nylon string Ibanez classical guitar. I got it at Musician's Friend, as a scratch and dent special. It was about 80 bucks, delivered to my door.
The box had a dent. The guitar was in perfect condition.
That's a great site, I got my cheapy Asian Strat there the same way! Except my scratch and dent had an actual scratch....but, for under $200 a Strat is a Strat!
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Noam Sayin' Mon, Jan 5, 2009 8:19:21pm |
re: #357 Killgore Trout
One of my favorite guitars is a nylon string Maya I got at a yard sale for $40. I haven't played much recently, but that's the one I make sure is tuned so when I do feel like playing I just pull it off the wall.
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Mich-again Mon, Jan 5, 2009 8:19:37pm |
re: #333 MandyManners
Before you buy an inexpensive guitar, make sure it will actually tune. Some of the low end guitars aren't actually instruments, they are more like toys.
And get an electric tuner with the guitar. It is a highly advanced ability to tune by ear. Most all people who think they can tune by ear can't.
As for the lessons, the typical music store guy wants a longtime customer so he'll probably start the kid off playing scales and learning the intricacies of the fretboard. Which will absolutely bore the hell out of just about any kid and most will lose interest before they get good enough to play anything. Some will stick with it, but its like pushing a rope for the folks.
I taught my own kid how to play with a single 1-hour lesson. Heres how you make all the chords. Drew them up so he could understand which fingers went where for the basic chords. Then he spent hours and hours practicing the chords and songs. Then you teach them about tablature and all the online sites for downloading easy to read instructions for harder and harder songs.
From that point on, its all about desire. The kid has to want to play. Thats why I advocate teaching chords and easy songs right off the bat. Once the kid can strum some easy chords and play some tunes they get infected with the disease and they want to play and learn more and more. Then they can dig deeper and learn about scales and playing leads.
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jcm Mon, Jan 5, 2009 8:19:50pm |
re: #367 Iron Fist
Boy, that's who we need running Commerce. When you care enough to send only the best incompetent fool...
I was taught to share, we can share what we've been going through for the last 4 years in WA.
/
Seriously, she'd be a bad choice for WH trash collector.
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jorline Mon, Jan 5, 2009 8:20:13pm |
re: #369 reine.de.tout
I had heard that was the case, but I'm glad to have this link.
{reine}...hope you're well this evening.
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Desert Dog Mon, Jan 5, 2009 8:20:41pm |
re: #379 Mich-again
Before you buy an inexpensive guitar, make sure it will actually tune. Some of the low end guitars aren't actually instruments, they are more like toys.
And get an electric tuner with the guitar. It is a highly advanced ability to tune by ear. Most all people who think they can tune by ear can't.
As for the lessons, the typical music store guy wants a longtime customer so he'll probably start the kid off playing scales and learning the intricacies of the fretboard. Which will absolutely bore the hell out of just about any kid and most will lose interest before they get good enough to play anything. Some will stick with it, but its like pushing a rope for the folks.
I taught my own kid how to play with a single 1-hour lesson. Heres how you make all the chords. Drew them up so he could understand which fingers went where for the basic chords. Then he spent hours and hours practicing the chords and songs. Then you teach them about tablature and all the online sites for downloading easy to read instructions for harder and harder songs.
From that point on, its all about desire. The kid has to want to play. Thats why I advocate teaching chords and easy songs right off the bat. Once the kid can strum some easy chords and play some tunes they get infected with the disease and they want to play and learn more and more. Then they can dig deeper and learn about scales and playing leads.
Find a friend that is better than you are and copy his chops!
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Jan 5, 2009 8:20:45pm |
re: #373 MandyManners
My son (who now plays fabulously) 's first guitar was my old one. He dropped it, thought was going to die. Looked at him and said, it's wood. Don't hurt it on purpose; other than that it's just a block of wood.
Just tell the kid that "de-construction" is out of the question until you can find a throw away guitar at a dump or something.
| 385 |
Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Mon, Jan 5, 2009 8:21:21pm |
So, what do you Lizards like for "Best Food Blog"?
I never hear of any of them.
| 387 |
Dark_Falcon Mon, Jan 5, 2009 8:21:35pm |
re: #363 Dark_Falcon
He's got good taste. Dixie Kitchen and Bait Shop is in Evanston, IL. It's a great place to eat and I still go there from time to time.
Oh, and I forgot to mention: They are open for breakfast and they do serve fruit-topped waffles. No doubt that has attracted Obama.
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Desert Dog Mon, Jan 5, 2009 8:22:09pm |
re: #384 Iron Fist
Anything that makes Jihadi uncomfortable is now torture. That would include women getting to close to him. Shit, take Jihadi to a strip club, and he'll spill his guts after the first lapdance.
Have I said that we are so hosed on this thread yet? We are so hosed.
Don't forget the pork ribs and booze....that combo will turn him to the dark side....bbwwwaahahaha
| 391 |
rawmuse Mon, Jan 5, 2009 8:22:44pm |
re: #384 Iron Fist
Have I said that we are so hosed on this thread yet? We are so hosed.
I know. Why the hell do you think I am posting trombonist surfing vids?
It's either that or go in the bathroom and open a major artery...
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Killgore Trout Mon, Jan 5, 2009 8:23:02pm |
re: #378 Noam Sayin'
I bought a guitar about 15 years ago from a grocery store in Phoenix for about 15 bucks. I wonder if I still have it. I got a lot of shit in my basement.
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traderjoe9 Mon, Jan 5, 2009 8:23:03pm |
re: #371 Dark_Falcon
That's not why they are doing that. They don't want to allow Islamists from Hamas into Egypt for fear that they will cause trouble.
No...the link I provided shows that Hamas has barred Palestinians from entering Egypt, not the other way around:
Cairo says dozens of empty ambulances are at the Rafah crossing - the only one to Gaza which avoids Israel.
--
Egypt has helicopters and doctors on standby at the Rafah crossing.
There are also up to 40 ambulances waiting to go into Gaza to bring out the most seriously wounded. Tonnes of medical supplies have arrived at the nearby airport of El-Arish.
But the Egyptian authorities say that, at the moment, they have no-one to treat.
Egypt's Foreign Minister Ahmed Aboul Gheit said the wounded were "barred from crossing" and he blamed "those in control of Gaza" for putting the lives of the injured at risk.
I do agree with you that Mubarak and others are afraid of radical Islamists seeping into Egypt and undermining his leadership...but thats not relevant in this particular case.
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notutopia Mon, Jan 5, 2009 8:23:46pm |
re: #373 MandyManners
Mandy, I learned basic chords and simple strumming
techniques from a weekly PBS guitar course on TV, back in the 70's. I don't know if they still have anything like that but, it wouldn't hurt to check it out.
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Mich-again Mon, Jan 5, 2009 8:24:11pm |
re: #392 Killgore Trout
I bought a guitar about 15 years ago from a grocery store in Phoenix for about 15 bucks. I wonder if I still have it. I got a lot of shit in my basement.
It may tune in the open fret but I bet you get different notes altogether in the 12th fret.
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Ojoe Mon, Jan 5, 2009 8:24:21pm |
re: #391 rawmuse
Nah, we're not hosed. The primitives who cannot field an army, float a navy or keep an air force in the air, are hosed.
Good night all.
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reine.de.tout Mon, Jan 5, 2009 8:24:42pm |
re: #381 jorline
{reine}...hope you're well this evening.
Yes, thanks!
Some headaches, normal for me when it gets rainy (for some reason the barometric pressure changes wreak havoc with my sinuses! Not kidding).
apart from that, though, I was checking out some things, and found this ad - furniture company in chicago - "We sell more seats than the Governor". LOL!
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Jan 5, 2009 8:24:43pm |
re: #394 notutopia
Mandy, I learned basic chords and simple strumming
techniques from a weekly PBS guitar course on TV, back in the 70's. I don't know if they still have anything like that but, it wouldn't hurt to check it out.
There are basic guitar lessons on Youtube.
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rawmuse Mon, Jan 5, 2009 8:25:39pm |
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notutopia Mon, Jan 5, 2009 8:25:40pm |
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Promethea Mon, Jan 5, 2009 8:25:47pm |
re: #191 sattv4u2
What struck me was the amazing amount of young men standing around mugging for the camera (non-injured civilians) I would think if this country were "invaded by occupiers" as the palis say is happening, wouldn't young USA men be RUNNING to help the armed forces?
That's the joke. Who are all these young men who are just hanging around. Why don't they find something useful to do, like clean up the mess, or something.
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Sharmuta Mon, Jan 5, 2009 8:25:52pm |
LGF is now within a handful of votes to move into 2nd place.
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Bloodnok Mon, Jan 5, 2009 8:26:26pm |
re: #394 notutopia
Mandy, I learned basic chords and simple strumming
techniques from a weekly PBS guitar course on TV, back in the 70's. I don't know if they still have anything like that but, it wouldn't hurt to check it out.
I learned playing Creedence songs. Most are in three chords.
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Desert Dog Mon, Jan 5, 2009 8:26:34pm |
re: #389 taxfreekiller
Teach them how to read tabs and then send them to Ultimate Guitar Tabs Archive. Some of them suck on that sight, but others are dead on......
Be versatile too....play with the amp on 11 and with the acoustic picking lightly......most of all HAVE FUN. I suck and I will never be a rock star, but I have enjoyed too many hours to count playing my guitars.
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SummerSong Mon, Jan 5, 2009 8:26:39pm |
re: #379 Mich-again
Great advice. My youngest started at age 12 on the guitar. I hired a guy to teach him chords and some beginner songs. (He could already read music, honor band etc, on clarinet).
He's now 20 and I bought him a nice Martin for Christmas.
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Sheila Broflovski Mon, Jan 5, 2009 8:26:51pm |
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Killgore Trout Mon, Jan 5, 2009 8:27:06pm |
re: #395 Mich-again
It may tune in the open fret but I bet you get different notes altogether in the 12th fret.
It's a mess but that's the fun of it. I'm playing my 1st guitar with a microtonal fingerboard. Sounds like shit but it's a real challenge.
/I assume there was a mathematical formula behind this scale but I'm at a loss to discover what it was.
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notutopia Mon, Jan 5, 2009 8:27:23pm |
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jwb7605 Mon, Jan 5, 2009 8:27:43pm |
re: #398 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
There are basic guitar lessons on Youtube.
I haven't played guitar in 20 years (so I gave mine to my granddaughter), but instructables is also a good resource.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Jan 5, 2009 8:27:44pm |
re: #405 SummerSong
You planning on adopting anyone soon? I'm old, but I eat a lot.
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Mich-again Mon, Jan 5, 2009 8:27:53pm |
re: #405 SummerSong
He's now 20 and I bought him a nice Martin for Christmas.
Nice. Such a bright clean sound.
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reine.de.tout Mon, Jan 5, 2009 8:28:25pm |
re: #401 Promethea
That's the joke. Who are all these young men who are just hanging around. Why don't they find something useful to do, like clean up the mess, or something.
Those young men are an Important Part of the Process of disinformation. They have to be hanging around to be available for when photographers need somebody to hold up injured and dead children for the cameras.
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shiplord kirel Mon, Jan 5, 2009 8:28:39pm |
re: #365 sattv4u2
he still has one of the widest liberal syndicated radio shows
like being the leper with the most fingers.....
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Digital Display Mon, Jan 5, 2009 8:28:54pm |
re: #394 notutopia
Mandy, I learned basic chords and simple strumming
techniques from a weekly PBS guitar course on TV, back in the 70's. I don't know if they still have anything like that but, it wouldn't hurt to check it out.
They have everybody teaching every song in every chord on the Internet.
They have dudes teaching you note for note Stevie Ray Vaughn on Comcast on demand..
If I had that stuff when i was a kid Eric Clapton would be kissing my ring tonight.
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Noam Sayin' Mon, Jan 5, 2009 8:29:01pm |
re: #392 Killgore Trout
I always stop at garage sales and yard sales in hopes of finding another little gem. Most are either over-priced for a garage sale goodie, or an un-tunable pile of crap as Mich-again has indicated.
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wolfie Mon, Jan 5, 2009 8:29:26pm |
re: #385 Slumbering Behemoth
So, what do you Lizards like for "Best Food Blog"?
I never hear of any of them.
Me neither, although I do like the name "epicurious!"
Now, if the category were "Best Blog Food," I'd have quite a few suggestions, but I guess POPCORN would have to be numero uno.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Jan 5, 2009 8:29:27pm |
re: #400 notutopia
Hey Not! Just got the bill today, from my wife's outpatient Lithotripsy.
Wanna take a shot at the price?
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Desert Dog Mon, Jan 5, 2009 8:29:41pm |
re: #405 SummerSong
Great advice. My youngest started at age 12 on the guitar. I hired a guy to teach him chords and some beginner songs. (He could already read music, honor band etc, on clarinet).
He's now 20 and I bought him a nice Martin for Christmas.
Lucky kid, that's a guitar he can pass down to his kids one day
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hous bin pharteen Mon, Jan 5, 2009 8:30:10pm |
re: #354 jcm
She would have that great leftist idea of balancing the budget too. Print more money.
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Digital Display Mon, Jan 5, 2009 8:30:13pm |
re: #407 Killgore Trout
It's a mess but that's the fun of it. I'm playing my 1st guitar with a microtonal fingerboard. Sounds like shit but it's a real challenge.
/I assume there was a mathematical formula behind this scale but I'm at a loss to discover what it was.
Doesn't matter ..they were jazz scales..
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Sheila Broflovski Mon, Jan 5, 2009 8:30:15pm |
re: #405 SummerSong
Great advice. My youngest started at age 12 on the guitar. I hired a guy to teach him chords and some beginner songs. (He could already read music, honor band etc, on clarinet).
He's now 20 and I bought him a nice Martin for Christmas.
I started guitar lessons at 12 and became quite proficient by the time I was 20. I came into a small inheritance and could choose between a trip to Israel (they didn't have Birthright at that time) or a Martin. I already had a Gibson acoustic.
I chose the trip to Israel, and it changed my life.
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experiencedtraveller Mon, Jan 5, 2009 8:30:17pm |
With all the musicians lurking about this place WHY OH WHY is there no Lizard music space?
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Jan 5, 2009 8:30:32pm |
re: #393 traderjoe9
I do agree with you that Mubarak and others are afraid of radical Islamists seeping into Egypt and undermining his leadership...but thats not relevant in this particular case.
I stand corrected then.
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avanti Mon, Jan 5, 2009 8:30:51pm |
re: #415 HoosierHoops
They have everybody teaching every song in every chord on the Internet.
They have dudes teaching you note for note Stevie Ray Vaughn on Comcast on demand..
If I had that stuff when i was a kid Eric Clapton would be kissing my ring tonight.
My son plays writes and sings in a local band, a acoustic set Here
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sattv4u2 Mon, Jan 5, 2009 8:31:05pm |
re: #414 shiplord kirel
like being the leper with the most fingers.....
Was just setting the record straight. One post stated he's off the air next week. FALSE, he's only off of Hannity and Colmes. he'll be a semi-regular on other Fox news shows and will have his own project shows occasionally
Anothre stated he's off radio. FALSE, as I stated he is one of the most syndicated liberal radio shows
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Desert Dog Mon, Jan 5, 2009 8:31:31pm |
re: #428 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
ouch...hope you have good insurance then
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sattv4u2 Mon, Jan 5, 2009 8:31:34pm |
re: #418 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Hey Not! Just got the bill today, from my wife's outpatient Lithotripsy.
Wanna take a shot at the price?
$15 K
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Killgore Trout Mon, Jan 5, 2009 8:31:49pm |
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notutopia Mon, Jan 5, 2009 8:32:12pm |
re: #403 Bloodnok
I learned playing Creedence songs. Most are in three chords.
I actually graduated to guitar after learning how to play the ukulele. It was very fun and an easy transition going into the guitar chords. That uke still gets packed with us when we go on camping trips.
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SummerSong Mon, Jan 5, 2009 8:32:18pm |
re: #411 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
You planning on adopting anyone soon? I'm old, but I eat a lot.
Sure, come on over. I have a freezer full of Morning Star, Gardenburger and Tofurky products. My oldest son is veg also.
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Promethea Mon, Jan 5, 2009 8:32:25pm |
re: #251 hous bin pharteen
If Al Franken is eligible for the vote, it will be rigged. Now we are getting a limousine liberal in the senate. One that has a cocaine problem now, (oh, i don't use it now. Yeah, right) Cheats his employees on there medical benefits, has been proven to cheat on his corporate income taxes, yet alone the fraudulent votes he has now.
What are the assholes going to come up with next? Dig up the body of Lenin and Stalin and run them in the next election?
I believe his Air America venture also stole money from a children's charity.
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Mich-again Mon, Jan 5, 2009 8:32:31pm |
My favorite guitar is my 71 Les Paul Custom that I have beat up all to hell over the last 28 years or so. Bought it used with money I earned washing dishes at a Bonanza Steak Pit when I was 16. I quit in the middle of a shift when I knew the paycheck would cover the last layaway payment.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Jan 5, 2009 8:32:41pm |
Lithotripsy.
1 hour procedure.
Outpatient..
$22,000.00
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Mon, Jan 5, 2009 8:33:10pm |
re: #417 wolfie
Beer, my dear Wolfie, beer. That is the "Best Blog Food", hands down. Coffee comes in second, with cigarettes coming in at a close third.
/Shut up! They are too foods!
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Desert Dog Mon, Jan 5, 2009 8:33:30pm |
re: #433 taxfreekiller
James McMurty quit drinking and chasing women just so's he could buy more guitars...
which he used to get more women.....it's the circle of life....
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sattv4u2 Mon, Jan 5, 2009 8:33:39pm |
re: #436 SummerSong
Sure, come on over. I have a freezer full of Morning Star, Gardenburger and Tofurky products. My oldest son is veg also.
I'd be a vegetarian if i could still eat chicken, beef and pork!
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OldLineTexan Mon, Jan 5, 2009 8:33:47pm |
re: #418 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Hey Not! Just got the bill today, from my wife's outpatient Lithotripsy.
Wanna take a shot at the price?
14 grand
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jcm Mon, Jan 5, 2009 8:33:50pm |
re: #421 hous bin pharteen
She would have that great leftist idea of balancing the budget too. Print more money.
She's been bought by the unions, SEIU and NEA in particular.
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Mon, Jan 5, 2009 8:33:52pm |
re: #424 experiencedtraveller
With all the musicians lurking about this place WHY OH WHY is there no Lizard music space?
Maybe for us lurkers? Well, I'm lurking on this subject. We bought a beginner guitar for my kids a few years back, but then the teacher had another baby and didn't want to continue.
The big problem is that I am absolutely, 100%, certifiably, tone-deaf. Guitar's out of tune, and no adults in the house can tune it. On the advice of...let me scroll up...Mich-again, I just went to Amazon and bought a low-end electronic tuner. The boys have interest in the guitar, and I'm thinking now we can have someone start using it.
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SummerSong Mon, Jan 5, 2009 8:33:53pm |
re: #412 Mich-again
Nice. Such a bright clean sound.
He tried to like some less expensive ones. He really tried, but I know him and I could see the light in his eyes when he held that one.
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Bloodnok Mon, Jan 5, 2009 8:34:19pm |
re: #434 notutopia
I actually graduated to guitar after learning how to play the ukulele. It was very fun and an easy transition going into the guitar chords. That uke still gets packed with us when we go on camping trips.
I was obsessed with detuning and learning open voicings. I got a banjo when I was in high school and loved the challenge (still have it). I would LOVE a ukelele. Hell, I would love any instrument -string or otherwise.
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Dianna Mon, Jan 5, 2009 8:34:20pm |
re: #438 Promethea
I believe his Air America venture also stole money from a children's charity.
It did. Grrrr.
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notutopia Mon, Jan 5, 2009 8:34:31pm |
re: #415 HoosierHoops
They have everybody teaching every song in every chord on the Internet.
They have dudes teaching you note for note Stevie Ray Vaughn on Comcast on demand..
If I had that stuff when i was a kid Eric Clapton would be kissing my ring tonight.
And I thought I was sooo fortunate to have access to those free lessons on TV...
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Digital Display Mon, Jan 5, 2009 8:34:43pm |
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Mich-again Mon, Jan 5, 2009 8:35:08pm |
re: #450 SummerSong
I know that look. Someone playing a Martin for the first time.
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Desert Dog Mon, Jan 5, 2009 8:35:21pm |
re: #440 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Lithotripsy.
1 hour procedure.
Outpatient..
$22,000.00
Sounds like we are both in the wrong business then......Amazing.....did that include the $10 tylenol and the $50 "sterile kit"?
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SummerSong Mon, Jan 5, 2009 8:35:28pm |
re: #423 Alouette
I started guitar lessons at 12 and became quite proficient by the time I was 20. I came into a small inheritance and could choose between a trip to Israel (they didn't have Birthright at that time) or a Martin. I already had a Gibson acoustic.
I chose the trip to Israel, and it changed my life.
:) That is wonderful!
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experiencedtraveller Mon, Jan 5, 2009 8:35:33pm |
re: #448 EmmmieG
Nice. I hope you livestream their jams.
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karmic_inquisitor Mon, Jan 5, 2009 8:35:50pm |
I think the Conservative label is worn out.
I am now a card carrying member of the Honcosphere.
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sattv4u2 Mon, Jan 5, 2009 8:36:12pm |
re: #458 Iron Fist
Just as long as you don't make me eat the rabbit food. Rabbit, OTOH, tastes just like chicken.
Oddly ,, so does chicken !
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Jan 5, 2009 8:36:28pm |
re: #459 Desert Dog
Sounds like we are both in the wrong business then......Amazing.....did that include the $10 tylenol and the $50 "sterile kit"?
I'm wondering if it included the 4 extra hours in the hospital because the physician was running late.
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sngnsgt Mon, Jan 5, 2009 8:36:30pm |
re: #365 sattv4u2
he still has one of the widest liberal syndicated radio shows
LOL! Like I'd know or care, I never have nor will listen to it. It's too bad he takes up air and space on H&C on Fox.
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notutopia Mon, Jan 5, 2009 8:37:06pm |
re: #440 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Lithotripsy.
1 hour procedure.
Outpatient..
$22,000.00
Woow...I hope you requested an itemized bill. Check it over triple times. That is hefty for an outpatient procedure.
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OldLineTexan Mon, Jan 5, 2009 8:37:13pm |
re: #453 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
22
My wife got four hours at the emergency clinic for only 7 grand. You wuz robbed.
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rawmuse Mon, Jan 5, 2009 8:37:30pm |
I got to play some very old basses today. A friend owns them. He has been collecting them, they fill his house. I played one that was previously owned by Ron Carter. Very heavy instrument, the finest hardwoods, about 300 years old. It played like a dream.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Jan 5, 2009 8:37:31pm |
Not an OSU fan, but, uh...they kind of deserve a bowl win.
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Render Mon, Jan 5, 2009 8:37:37pm |
Gary Moore - Don't Believe a Word
Motorhead - I Don't Believe a Word
I never did and I never will.
NOT
ONE
WORD,
R
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Mon, Jan 5, 2009 8:37:46pm |
re: #461 experiencedtraveller
Nice. I hope you livestream their jams.
Going to be a while. They're 11 and 9. My husband has musical talent, but was pushed too hard and now won't touch it. My daughter plays piano well, and has actually gotten to the stage where her practice is enjoyable to listen to. That's such a relief.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Mon, Jan 5, 2009 8:38:21pm |
re: #432 Killgore Trout
Good fun. Dats bookmarked.
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bosforus Mon, Jan 5, 2009 8:38:27pm |
re: #473 rawmuse
I got to play some very old basses today. A friend owns them. He has been collecting them, they fill his house. I played one that was previously owned by Ron Carter. Very heavy instrument, the finest hardwoods, about 300 years old. It played like a dream.
Envious!
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avanti Mon, Jan 5, 2009 8:38:28pm |
re: #439 Mich-again
My favorite guitar is my 71 Les Paul Custom that I have beat up all to hell over the last 28 years or so. Bought it used with money I earned washing dishes at a Bonanza Steak Pit when I was 16. I quit in the middle of a shift when I knew the paycheck would cover the last layaway payment.
Funny story that you will get. Back about 30 years ago a guy come in my stereo store in Annapolis and wants to trade me a guitar he made at home for a $400 stereo. Being a smart guy, I politely declined. Years later when I met Paul Reed Smith again, we had a laugh together.
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sattv4u2 Mon, Jan 5, 2009 8:38:29pm |
re: #471 OldLineTexan
My wife got four hours at the emergency clinic for only 7 grand. You wuz robbed.
yweah ,, but you brought her to Walts Emergency Clinic and All Nite Oil and Lube ,, AND you had a discount coupon!
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Salamantis Mon, Jan 5, 2009 8:38:42pm |
I would like to personally thank all the communist fascist relativist atheist darwinist evolutionists who boosted my karma beyond 10,000!
/
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hous bin pharteen Mon, Jan 5, 2009 8:38:46pm |
re: #384 Iron Fist
Good point. To me, Gitmo is a trip to the Caribbean. Sun, sand, and water..................................aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh Can I have a Margarita please?
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Mich-again Mon, Jan 5, 2009 8:39:18pm |
re: #467 taxfreekiller
Sean won't do that. He's gonna bring in a nice cake and a gift bag with his latest book inside for Colmes.
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reine.de.tout Mon, Jan 5, 2009 8:39:54pm |
re: #483 Salamantis
I would like to personally thank all the communist fascist relativist atheist darwinist evolutionists who boosted my karma beyond 10,000!
/
No way!
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OldLineTexan Mon, Jan 5, 2009 8:40:06pm |
re: #482 sattv4u2
yweah ,, but you brought her to Walts Emergency Clinic and All Nite Oil and Lube ,, AND you had a discount coupon!
Fred's Hospital
/years ago, on a local road that lead out into nowhere, someone painted "Fred's Bank" on the side of a run-down old horse shed. It stuck with me.
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karmic_inquisitor Mon, Jan 5, 2009 8:40:20pm |
It is cold here in Southern California. 39 degrees outside (probably warmer that elsewhere in much of the Northern Hemisphere, but hey - we are wimps).
Looks like it is time to oxidate some cellulose fibers (because plain old "burning wood" is frowned up here).
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SummerSong Mon, Jan 5, 2009 8:40:55pm |
re: #460 SummerSong
:) That is wonderful!
By the way, same kid is saving up for a surfing trip to Indonesia.
I don't want him to go, so I went with the Martin!
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sattv4u2 Mon, Jan 5, 2009 8:40:59pm |
re: #489 OldLineTexan
Fred's Hospital
/years ago, on a local road that lead out into nowhere, someone painted "Fred's Bank" on the side of a run-down old horse shed. It stuck with me.
'Eat Here And Get Gas"
(sign I actually saw in Nebraska back in the late 70's)
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bosforus Mon, Jan 5, 2009 8:41:08pm |
re: #490 karmic_inquisitor
20 degrees where I am, which is 6 higher than it was this afternoon.
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OldLineTexan Mon, Jan 5, 2009 8:41:30pm |
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esch Mon, Jan 5, 2009 8:41:41pm |
re: #487 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Be glad. That's what I cost every 3 months.
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Wyatt Earp Mon, Jan 5, 2009 8:41:49pm |
Someone probably mentioned it already, but it is a true crime against humanity that Atlas Shrugs has almost as many votes as LGF.
And, as is stated in my contract, I must say that I despise that woman.
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jcm Mon, Jan 5, 2009 8:41:54pm |
re: #490 karmic_inquisitor
It is cold here in Southern California. 39 degrees outside (probably warmer that elsewhere in much of the Northern Hemisphere, but hey - we are wimps).
Looks like it is time to oxidate some cellulose fibers (because plain old "burning wood" is frowned up here).
After 3 weeks of snow and freezing it's 42° in Seattle.
| 501 |
Boxy_brown Mon, Jan 5, 2009 8:42:01pm |
"Which will undoubtedly infuriate some people who think we aren’t pure enough."
Congratulations Charles, you have great taste in the idiots you infuriate.
As someone who was called a RINO for actually advocating for a republican candidate as opposed to a moonbat, 3rd party, self proclaimed "uber conservative" who stood no chance of being elected dog catcher just let me say that anyone who doesn't think I am "pure" enough can go screw themselves. Oh, while we are at it, thanks for Obama. Never let it be said that you would settle for the lesser of 2 evils... you got the greater one.
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reine.de.tout Mon, Jan 5, 2009 8:42:25pm |
re: #495 bosforus
20 degrees where I am, which is 6 higher than it was this afternoon.
72 degrees here at almost 11 pm.
I really hope we get a little winter weather before winter's over with.
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karmic_inquisitor Mon, Jan 5, 2009 8:42:43pm |
re: #495 bosforus
20 degrees where I am, which is 6 higher than it was this afternoon.
Break out the Coppertone ...
/
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Jan 5, 2009 8:42:54pm |
re: #498 esch
Holy crap! None of my business, but for what?!?!?! Wouldn't amputation just be easier?
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Mich-again Mon, Jan 5, 2009 8:43:01pm |
re: #481 avanti
Wow. Very cool story. I'm guessing if you could have that scene over you would make the trade.
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Digital Display Mon, Jan 5, 2009 8:43:13pm |
re: #473 rawmuse
I got to play some very old basses today. A friend owns them. He has been collecting them, they fill his house. I played one that was previously owned by Ron Carter. Very heavy instrument, the finest hardwoods, about 300 years old. It played like a dream.
I love the Bass..Had a room mate in college that played bass for a local band.
The Bass controls the music!
| 509 |
reine.de.tout Mon, Jan 5, 2009 8:43:29pm |
re: #499 Wyatt Earp
Someone probably mentioned it already, but it is a true crime against humanity that Atlas Shrugs has almost as many votes as LGF.
And, as is stated in my contract, I must say that I despise that woman.
I didn't see it mentioned, but I did notice that and I cannot for the life of me figure out how in the world Atlas has almost as many votes as LGF.
Don't like her much, myself.
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sattv4u2 Mon, Jan 5, 2009 8:43:35pm |
re: #505 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Holy crap! None of my business, but for what?!?!?! Wouldn't amputation just be easier?
they DID amputate,,,,,,,,,, his bank account !
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avanti Mon, Jan 5, 2009 8:44:31pm |
re: #456 HoosierHoops
That shit is hot! I really like it..Who is the singer?
I am very impressed with that song writing
Thanks but he's still got his day job. He's playing the guitar, wrote the song, did the keyboard work and sings. As a teenager he had Good Charlotte beg to open for his band, now they are signed, and famous and the A holes won't even take his phone calls.
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Mich-again Mon, Jan 5, 2009 8:44:34pm |
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esch Mon, Jan 5, 2009 8:44:41pm |
re: #505 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Heh, tried that. 4 times, actually. Remicade for Crohn's disease. Works pretty well, but man is it expensive.
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Dianna Mon, Jan 5, 2009 8:44:48pm |
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realwest Mon, Jan 5, 2009 8:45:32pm |
Hey y'all sorry to be late to the party! What are we talking about?
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jwb7605 Mon, Jan 5, 2009 8:45:45pm |
re: #440 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Lithotripsy.
1 hour procedure.
Outpatient..
$22,000.00
Crap. I'm apparently going to die. (Just looked it up)
| 520 |
Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Mon, Jan 5, 2009 8:46:03pm |
| 521 |
esch Mon, Jan 5, 2009 8:46:04pm |
re: #510 sattv4u2
Lol yep 22 years now.
Rule #1: Do whatever you have to do to keep medical insurance.
| 522 |
Bloodnok Mon, Jan 5, 2009 8:46:18pm |
re: #507 HoosierHoops
I love the Bass..Had a room mate in college that played bass for a local band.
The Bass controls the music!
I agree. I enjoy playing bass MUCH more than guitar. A good bass player adds so much to music -and there are so many places you can go with a bass line if you want to.
| 525 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Jan 5, 2009 8:46:52pm |
Son of a bitch... Texas scores with 16 seconds left to take the lead.
| 526 |
karmic_inquisitor Mon, Jan 5, 2009 8:47:09pm |
re: #499 Wyatt Earp
Someone probably mentioned it already, but it is a true crime against humanity that Atlas Shrugs has almost as many votes as LGF.
And, as is stated in my contract, I must say that I despise that woman.
As mentioned 2 threads back, if P G wins the Internet will experience a blackout condition when Fjordman posts a 4 Gigabyte congratulatory "note" and it hits the RSS feeds.
The Internet can handle streaming audio.
The Internet can handle streaming video.
The Internet can't handle streaming Fjordman-ego.
| 528 |
esch Mon, Jan 5, 2009 8:47:17pm |
re: #517 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Hey thanks man, I appreciate it.
| 529 |
hous bin pharteen Mon, Jan 5, 2009 8:47:18pm |
re: #438 Promethea
Oh, for gods sake. What did he do next? Mug blind people on the street?
| 530 |
Mich-again Mon, Jan 5, 2009 8:47:20pm |
| 532 |
njdhockeyfan Mon, Jan 5, 2009 8:47:52pm |
re: #525 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Son of a bitch... Texas scores with 16 seconds left to take the lead.
Helluva game.
| 533 |
sattv4u2 Mon, Jan 5, 2009 8:47:55pm |
| 534 |
Bloodnok Mon, Jan 5, 2009 8:47:57pm |
| 535 |
Shug Mon, Jan 5, 2009 8:48:03pm |
| 536 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Jan 5, 2009 8:48:04pm |
Wow. Poor OSU. They need to not play BCS again for a while as a protest.
| 537 |
avanti Mon, Jan 5, 2009 8:48:20pm |
re: #483 Salamantis
I would like to personally thank all the communist fascist relativist atheist darwinist evolutionists who boosted my karma beyond 10,000!
/
I just gave you a up ding, but I'm only a liberal agnostic, Darwinist evolutionist commie.
| 538 |
Digital Display Mon, Jan 5, 2009 8:48:29pm |
re: #512 avanti
Thanks but he's still got his day job. He's playing the guitar, wrote the song, did the keyboard work and sings. As a teenager he had Good Charlotte beg to open for his band, now they are signed, and famous and the A holes won't even take his phone calls.
He is going in the right direction if you ask me....
| 539 |
jwb7605 Mon, Jan 5, 2009 8:48:36pm |
re: #524 sattv4u2
FBV ,,, AMAZING ,,,,,LOL TEXAS !
"and the Buckeyes are looking for a miracle".
HEHTM
| 541 |
Noam Sayin' Mon, Jan 5, 2009 8:49:26pm |
re: #518 realwest
Hey y'all sorry to be late to the party! What are we talking about?
| 542 |
notutopia Mon, Jan 5, 2009 8:49:32pm |
re: #511 taxfreekiller
tough seal
[Link: www.sunnewspapers.net...]
Very Tough! and so Is his wife!
He's froggin' again with his old SEAL buds now TFK.
The water's fine....
| 543 |
sattv4u2 Mon, Jan 5, 2009 8:49:42pm |
re: #539 jwb7605
"and the Buckeyes are looking for a
miraclesuicide prevention hotline".
HEHTM
fixed
| 544 |
esch Mon, Jan 5, 2009 8:49:50pm |
re: #531 Iron Fist
That's the truth. Without insurance, I couldn't afford to live. I'd be spending more than I make on medicine.
HEAR that. Insurance companies hate me. And the feeling is mutual. I'm probably around the half-mil point by now with all the hospitalizations/surgeries.
Still better than dying.
| 546 |
Sharmuta Mon, Jan 5, 2009 8:50:16pm |
re: #499 Wyatt Earp
Someone probably mentioned it already, but it is a true crime against humanity that Atlas Shrugs has almost as many votes as LGF.
And, as is stated in my contract, I must say that I despise that woman.
It's insulting to the people on that list that display the best of conservatism- VDH, Bill Whittle and Charles. She's not fit to wipe any of these men's boots.
| 547 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Jan 5, 2009 8:50:30pm |
| 550 |
Wyatt Earp Mon, Jan 5, 2009 8:50:52pm |
re: #546 Sharmuta
It's insulting to the people on that list that display the best of conservatism- VDH, Bill Whittle and Charles. She's not fit to wipe any of these men's boots.
Or butts.
| 551 |
njdhockeyfan Mon, Jan 5, 2009 8:51:05pm |
One play left....can they perform a miracle?
| 552 |
Digital Display Mon, Jan 5, 2009 8:51:14pm |
re: #524 sattv4u2
FBV ,,, AMAZING ,,,,,LOL TEXAS !
Texas wins a bowl game..
All is right again with the world...
| 553 |
Mich-again Mon, Jan 5, 2009 8:51:18pm |
re: #533 sattv4u2
schizo!
Eggsactly. I get stuck in a for-next loop when OSU plays in a bowl game. On one hand I want them to win for the conference. OTOH I am programmed to root against them.
| 554 |
avanti Mon, Jan 5, 2009 8:52:23pm |
re: #509 reine.de.tout
I didn't see it mentioned, but I did notice that and I cannot for the life of me figure out how in the world Atlas has almost as many votes as LGF.
Don't like her much, myself.
That's because you guys would be lefties on her blog, go figure.
| 555 |
bosforus Mon, Jan 5, 2009 8:52:50pm |
re: #504 karmic_inquisitor
Break out the Coppertone ...
/
More like - break out the 4wd drive and get ready for a two hour drive home. Friggin snow!
| 556 |
OldLineTexan Mon, Jan 5, 2009 8:53:10pm |
re: #552 HoosierHoops
Texas wins a bowl game..
All is right again with the world...
Rice already won a bowl game...Hell is still frozen over.
| 557 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Jan 5, 2009 8:53:58pm |
Maybe Tressel needs to borrow a sweatshirt or something. This professorial thang just ain't working out for him.
Bless his heart.
| 558 |
Shug Mon, Jan 5, 2009 8:54:12pm |
re: #554 avanti
That's because you guys would be
leftiesanti-idiotarians on her blog, go figure.
fixed
| 559 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Jan 5, 2009 8:54:36pm |
Just think if Ron Paul had a blog.
| 560 |
Mich-again Mon, Jan 5, 2009 8:54:39pm |
I hope the Lions take James Laurenitis with the 1st pick overall. He is the best player in College Football.
| 562 |
notutopia Mon, Jan 5, 2009 8:54:58pm |
re: #552 HoosierHoops
Texas wins a bowl game..
All is right again with the world...
AAAaaaaaaaaaEeeeeeeeeee!
Hook 'Em Horns!
| 563 |
wolfie Mon, Jan 5, 2009 8:55:02pm |
re: #541 Noam Sayin'
:D Loooove De-wight! (Now Mr. Wolf is annoyed because I want to dance.)
| 564 |
Gretchen G.Tiger Mon, Jan 5, 2009 8:55:17pm |
hey Lizard Honcos! I voted!
I step away for a short while and there are 500+ posts. You-all have been busy.
Are we still OT?
| 566 |
Salamantis Mon, Jan 5, 2009 8:55:20pm |
re: #557 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Maybe Tressel needs to borrow a sweatshirt or something. This professorial thang just ain't working out for him.
Bless his heart.
Ohio State has one consolation, at least; they've done a helluva lot better than their archrival Michigan over the last few years...
| 567 |
BaseballMom57 Mon, Jan 5, 2009 8:55:22pm |
Good evening, Lizards...been reading off and on since the last thread. Heading for bed now, though.
I wanted to thank everyone who has been praying for my hubby since before Christmas. He is doing very well. They took his trache tube out today, and told him he may even get to go home before Friday. All the docs need to sign off on the discharge. We are thrilled! I updated Goddess earlier this evening.
Good night!
| 568 |
realwest Mon, Jan 5, 2009 8:55:31pm |
re: #521 esch
Absolutely! NO LIE: I spent two weeks in a for profit hospital in NYC when they discovered my cancer - lots of MRI, CT, and other tests, NO biopsy,no surgery nothing but those "x-ray" type tests, pain killers and the bill was OVER $250,000.
And, of course, I had no medical insurance!
Mind you, all of my MRI's, CT and other tests have been around for 20+ years so it wasn't like the hadda pay off the capital costs of buying these machines!
GET AND KEEP MEDICAL INSURANCE, even if ya only eat twice a day to afford it!
| 570 |
Kosh's Shadow Mon, Jan 5, 2009 8:55:57pm |
In an earlier thread, someone mentioned The Producers, and I came up with this:
Springtime for Hamas
Springtime for Hamas and Palestine
Gaza is crappy and gray
They're marching to a faster pace
Look out, here comes the monster race
Springtime for Gaza and Hamasistan
Gaza is Jew-free once more
| 571 |
Wyatt Earp Mon, Jan 5, 2009 8:56:33pm |
re: #566 Salamantis
Ohio State has one consolation, at least; they've done a helluva lot better than their archrival Michigan over the last few years...
*wipes away a tear*
| 572 |
realwest Mon, Jan 5, 2009 8:56:39pm |
re: #541 Noam Sayin'
HEY NOAM! Why are we discussing Dwight's song?!?
| 573 |
Dark_Falcon Mon, Jan 5, 2009 8:56:57pm |
re: #560 Mich-again
I hope the Lions take James Laurenitis with the 1st pick overall. He is the best player in College Football.
I hope the Lions take a loser and leave a good player available for the Bears.
| 574 |
Mich-again Mon, Jan 5, 2009 8:56:58pm |
For the Texas Fans. Weezer, The Sweater Song.
| 575 |
Digital Display Mon, Jan 5, 2009 8:57:13pm |
| 576 |
Mostly sane, most of the time. Mon, Jan 5, 2009 8:57:21pm |
re: #554 avanti
That's because you guys would be lefties on her blog, go figure.
Lizards: I know lefties. Lefties are friends (actually, relatives, but I like 'em) of mine. Lizards, you are no lefties.
| 577 |
Dianna Mon, Jan 5, 2009 8:57:54pm |
| 578 |
karmic_inquisitor Mon, Jan 5, 2009 8:58:00pm |
re: #555 bosforus
More like - break out the 4wd drive and get ready for a two hour drive home. Friggin snow!
A little more that a year ago I was at a client's office in Pittsburgh and it started snowing. It was before Xmas and I commented on how lucky they were to have such beautiful snow for the holidays.
At that moment everyone in the room wanted to kill me.
| 579 |
jwb7605 Mon, Jan 5, 2009 8:58:00pm |
re: #573 Dark_Falcon
I hope the Lions take a loser and leave a good player available for the Bears.
I hope the Broncos draft a running back in the 6th round.
| 580 |
Gretchen G.Tiger Mon, Jan 5, 2009 8:58:40pm |
| 581 |
rawmuse Mon, Jan 5, 2009 8:58:59pm |
These demonstrations in SF are getting ugly. Bordering on riots.
I will be downtown all day tomorrow and hope I don't get involved.
I have a short tolerance for idiots.
| 582 |
Noam Sayin' Mon, Jan 5, 2009 8:59:18pm |
re: #549 Iron Fist
We haven't made it to guns yet. I'm going to go try and get some sleep.
L8ter.
Yeah, we haven't had a gun-nut segment of a thread since, well last night when you posted your wish list. Nice choices. I'd like to have one of those bullpups, myself.
| 584 |
realwest Mon, Jan 5, 2009 8:59:26pm |
re: #550 Wyatt Earp
Hey, howdy Wyatt! I heard that Pamela has been advertising the hell out of these awards since first thing this morning.
Some of us mentioned them a few threads back and I, uh, did some cheerleading, but Charles was mum about it until this thread - and we now have a lead on her and are closing in on the Ace of Spades (whereas this afternoon Ace had a huge lead on everyone)!
| 585 |
SteveC Mon, Jan 5, 2009 8:59:28pm |
Gooooooooood evening, Friends!
Had a date tonight! :)
Also spent some time making Root beer! Quite an interesting evening!
| 587 |
jwb7605 Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:00:28pm |
re: #584 realwest
Hey, howdy Wyatt! I heard that Pamela has been advertising the hell out of these awards since first thing this morning.
Some of us mentioned them a few threads back and I, uh, did some cheerleading, but Charles was mum about it until this thread - and we now have a lead on her and are closing in on the Ace of Spades (whereas this afternoon Ace had a huge lead on everyone)!
720 - 611 - 577
| 588 |
Shug Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:00:36pm |
| 591 |
notutopia Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:00:55pm |
re: #585 SteveC
Gooooooooood evening, Friends!
Had a date tonight! :)
Also spent some time making Root beer! Quite an interesting evening!
Yeasted or extract?
| 592 |
Mostly sane, most of the time. Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:01:09pm |
I don't know if this has been mentioned, but Foxnews (online) has a gallery of photos from Gaza. They are using words like "allegedly" and "according to Gaza medical sources" to describe injuries to Palestinians.
I think I would be careful with information and photos given me by Palestinians as well.
| 593 |
Dianna Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:01:16pm |
re: #581 rawmuse
These demonstrations in SF are getting ugly. Bordering on riots.
I will be downtown all day tomorrow and hope I don't get involved.
I have a short tolerance for idiots.
Are they going to be on Montgomery?
| 594 |
Gretchen G.Tiger Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:01:31pm |
re: #584 realwest
Hey, howdy Wyatt! I heard that Pamela has been advertising the hell out of these awards since first thing this morning.
Some of us mentioned them a few threads back and I, uh, did some cheerleading, but Charles was mum about it until this thread - and we now have a lead on her and are closing in on the Ace of Spades (whereas this afternoon Ace had a huge lead on everyone)!
Can we vote early and vote often?
| 595 |
SteveC Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:01:46pm |
re: #568 realwest
...lots of MRI, CT, and other tests
MRI is the gold standard, best test there is, and you pay for it.
CT is an acceptable alternative when you have a pacemaker. Pacemaker and MRI get along like Batman and the Joker.
| 596 |
realwest Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:01:54pm |
re: #500 jcm Hey my friend, when y'all get a chance, could you please check your e-mail?
Thankew!
Oh and btw, did that Social Worker make it to your place today?
| 597 |
rawmuse Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:02:27pm |
re: #593 Dianna
Are they going to be on Montgomery?
From what I understand they are roving around and stopping traffic in diverse places.
| 598 |
Shug Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:02:41pm |
re: #589 Sharmuta
Lions in the Colosseum?
Something tells me the Gladiators would like their chances against these Lions
| 599 |
esch Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:02:43pm |
re: #568 realwest
re: #569 Iron Fist
I feel for both of you. I learned the lesson right at the beginning of my adulthood, when I was still on my parent's insurance. I was lucky.
I tell everyone, especially the young: Get and keep medical insurance, at any cost. Health is merely a temporary illusion. A major illness without insurance will basically be the end of your productive life. Even if you survive, you'll spend many many years paying it off.
| 600 |
Noam Sayin' Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:02:54pm |
re: #563 wolfie
He's one of the few country performers I like, and he's got acting chops.
I like mostly alt-country, though - Lucinda Williams, Jimmie Dale Gilmore and that crew.
| 601 |
Mich-again Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:03:53pm |
re: #588 Shug
I believe they call it Cornbread
I bought a big bag of Pillsbury Cornbread mix after the 4-0 preseason. I promised the kids we'd have cornbread after every Lions win. I think the expiration date passed and the bag is still sealed shut in the pantry.
| 602 |
Gretchen G.Tiger Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:04:00pm |
This one burns my @ss! Libraries! I'd like a button that says "I read banned websites"
| 603 |
realwest Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:04:06pm |
re: #580 ggt
Hi ggt, I'm doing ok, I guess, how are y'all doing?
| 604 |
Wyatt Earp Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:04:15pm |
| 605 |
jwb7605 Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:05:13pm |
re: #595 SteveC
MRI is the gold standard, best test there is, and you pay for it.
CT is an acceptable alternative when you have a pacemaker. Pacemaker and MRI get along like Batman and the Joker.
MRI is the only method to detect the presence of a lipo sarcoma tumor.
Also, MRI's are OK if you have non-ferro-resonant metals in your body (such as titanium staples).
The technology got 'set back' for a while, because they used to call it Nuclear Magnetic Resonance. People freaked at the nucular part.
| 606 |
notutopia Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:05:16pm |
| 607 |
Noam Sayin' Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:05:20pm |
re: #572 realwest
HEY NOAM! Why are we discussing Dwight's song?!?
We weren't, well, until Wolfie and I started in on it. I was just making a little joke, which apparently wasn't all that funny. ;)
| 608 |
Gretchen G.Tiger Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:05:23pm |
re: #603 realwest
Hi ggt, I'm doing ok, I guess, how are y'all doing?
Hangin' in there! Thanks for asking.
Took the night off from doing laundry, so I'll be going to bed soon.
| 609 |
Wyatt Earp Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:05:27pm |
re: #587 jwb7605
720 - 611 - 577
It really grinds my gears that she has 577 votes. Must have a very big family.
| 610 |
Gretchen G.Tiger Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:05:41pm |
| 612 |
Dianna Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:06:06pm |
re: #597 rawmuse
From what I understand they are roving around and stopping traffic in diverse places.
Peachy. Just...peachy.
Oh, well. Sufficient to the day is the evil thereof.
I'm going to walk dogs and go to bed.
Night, lizards.
| 614 |
Digital Display Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:06:20pm |
Sure Wyatt.. was it vote early and often or Rob early and often?
| 615 |
Mostly sane, most of the time. Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:07:01pm |
| 616 |
jcm Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:07:10pm |
re: #596 realwest
Hey my friend, when y'all get a chance, could you please check your e-mail?
Thankew!
Oh and btw, did that Social Worker make it to your place today?
Reply sent, streets were clear by 10AM, it's 9PM now and 45° back to our normal gray, wet, and cool. Social worker came, the little one will be going to Chicago to relatives. Gonna' miss her.
| 617 |
Wyatt Earp Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:07:30pm |
re: #614 HoosierHoops
Sure Wyatt.. was it vote early and often or Rob early and often?
Shouldn't you be in a towel?
| 618 |
Gretchen G.Tiger Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:07:32pm |
| 619 |
notutopia Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:07:35pm |
| 620 |
hous bin pharteen Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:07:56pm |
Goodnight guys. I have to get to bed now. More rehab tommrow so I should have signed off long ago. We have alot more lizards here. Welcome all.
Al Franken, the new leftist,
| 621 |
SteveC Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:07:57pm |
re: #615 EmmmieG
Er...ever had yeast root bear? I have. Once.
It's an acquired taste.
Can't say that I have!
| 622 |
realwest Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:08:07pm |
re: #587 jwb7605
734 - 616 - 581!
And as I said before, we belong in the Best Blog category and the Best SuperSize (very large) category and in the best community blog category.
But last I checked Jammiewearingfool was leading in his category and lawhawk (A Blog For All) was leading in the small blog category.
| 623 |
OldLineTexan Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:09:10pm |
re: #616 jcm
Reply sent, streets were clear by 10AM, it's 9PM now and 45° back to our normal gray, wet, and cool. Social worker came, the little one will be going to Chicago to relatives. Gonna' miss her.
Good luck, Sasha Obama.
//
| 624 |
realwest Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:09:38pm |
re: #594 ggt
You can vote once every 24 hours - this ain't Chicago, ya know?!
| 625 |
Super-ego Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:09:45pm |
Voted.
I guess LGF could be considered conservative, if conservative means well reasoned and factual. I prefer it because of the non-Ideological taste and I savor the clarity.
| 626 |
realwest Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:10:54pm |
re: #616 jcm Damn, I'm sorta sorry to hear about the little one - are her relatives decent folks do you know?
| 627 |
jwb7605 Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:11:06pm |
re: #622 realwest
734 - 616 - 581!
And as I said before, we belong in the Best Blog category and the Best SuperSize (very large) category and in the best community blog category.
But last I checked Jammiewearingfool was leading in his category and lawhawk (A Blog For All) was leading in the small blog category.
I truly do not understand how the categories were made.
I know what I like. I really like this site, and 8 of the other 9 sites I will not criticize.
| 628 |
notutopia Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:11:21pm |
Time to log off...it's pouring rain here and the lights are
flickering...
Good Nite Lizards.
| 630 |
jcm Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:11:45pm |
Aviation Geeks.
Concorde Captain narrating the steps from supersonic cruise to landing.
| 631 |
jwb7605 Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:12:29pm |
I have been told I am tired. I must defer to feminine wisdom at this point.
| 632 |
jcm Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:12:58pm |
re: #626 realwest
Damn, I'm sorta sorry to hear about the little one - are her relatives decent folks do you know?
They've cleared all the background checks, training and studies. They've put out the effort to be able to take her.
| 633 |
Digital Display Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:13:15pm |
re: #617 Wyatt Earp
Shouldn't you be in a towel?
I do think Philly is one hell of a city..Spent about 3 months there and did have a great time...except the whole getting robbed thing...
/I shamelessly ran up those rocky steps at the art museum..It's harder than it looks
| 634 |
Charles Johnson Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:13:23pm |
Here's another love note I just received from St. Louis, Missouri:
You dickheads are shameless... 555+ Palestenian, mostly innocent, killed, and what 5 Israeli's killed by chance... genocide ongoing in Gaza at the hands of the putrid and horrific Zionist criminals, and you pricks have the NERVE to marginalize and BLAME THE PALESTENIANS for their own deaths?
Bad craziness is loose in the world.
| 635 |
Mostly sane, most of the time. Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:13:59pm |
re: #621 SteveC
Back in college, a bunch of us went to see a friend in Southern Utah. His grandparents gave us yeast root beer. He had been raised on it and gulped it right down. The rest of us were trying so hard to be polite, sipping slowly, nodding.
He quietly traded glasses with the girls in the group and drank it for us. The other guy? He let him drink it down, watering eyes and all.
I make dry-ice root beer for the kids at Halloween. The fog is fun.
| 636 |
wolfie Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:14:59pm |
re: #600 Noam Sayin'
He's one of the few country performers I like, and he's got acting chops.
I like mostly alt-country, though - Lucinda Williams, Jimmie Dale Gilmore and that crew.
Don't know them. I'll check them out.
| 637 |
Kosh's Shadow Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:15:17pm |
re: #634 Charles
Here's another love note I just received from St. Louis, Missouri:
Bad craziness is loose in the world.
Yup. To them an "innocent" Palestinian is one who hasn't killed an Israeli yet, not due to lack of effort.
(And I strongly doubt the 500+ Palis killed. If Israel really wanted to kill Palestinians, Gaza would be a wasteland after about 15 minutes.)
| 638 |
Sharmuta Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:15:28pm |
"small dead animals" is about to overtake pamela too.
You GO, little non-living critters!
| 639 |
jcm Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:15:48pm |
re: #634 Charles
.
...you pricks have the NERVE to marginalize and BLAME THE PALESTENIANS for their own deaths?
Yes, I do.
| 640 |
Sharmuta Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:16:15pm |
You dickheads are shameless... 555+ Palestenian, mostly innocent, killed, and what 5 Israeli's killed by chance... genocide ongoing in Gaza at the hands of the putrid and horrific Zionist criminals, and you pricks have the NERVE to marginalize and BLAME THE PALESTENIANS for their own deaths?
It's hamas' chickens coming home to roost.
| 641 |
realwest Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:16:41pm |
re: #632 jcm well I don't know what else they coulda done to check out the relatives. I'm still sorry for y'all - it's gotta hurt.
Oh and reply sent to you!
| 642 |
Gretchen G.Tiger Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:16:51pm |
| 643 |
Mostly sane, most of the time. Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:16:56pm |
re: #634 Charles
What, exactly, is a 555+ Palestinian?
555 is a fake phone number prefix, used in literature wherever they don't want people dialing a number they read in a book.
/It's a code!
It could also be one really fat Palestinian. Just saying.
| 644 |
rawmuse Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:17:51pm |
Does anyone remember what percentage of the vote Hamas got in the election?
IIRC, it was not close.
| 645 |
Timbre Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:18:20pm |
O/T To the Ohio Lizards: Great game! Most of the time, I actually thought the Buckeyes would win. I think the Longhorns got kind of lucky, actually.
| 646 |
karmic_inquisitor Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:19:13pm |
re: #634 Charles
mostly innocent
Klansmen are mostly innocent - only a small part of their lives are spent at lynchings and cross burnings. Hamas "militants" only spend a small portion of their lives actually attempting murder. They spend a whole lot talking about it and planning it but actually doing it - a small part.
So there is your "mostly innocent" label for ya.
| 648 |
Gretchen G.Tiger Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:19:22pm |
| 649 |
Gretchen G.Tiger Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:19:40pm |
| 650 |
realwest Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:20:00pm |
re: #625 Super-ego
I don't know that I'd call LGF a conservative blog, cause we do have a lot of differences of opinion here on social policy and the like. Maybe more like a Liberal Blog (except that there really isn't room in today's political atmosphere for "liberals" just Lefty and Conservative. Most political labels seem to have lost their meanings afaic.
But LGF IS the best damn blog out there, whatever you want to label it.
| 651 |
Wyatt Earp Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:20:17pm |
re: #643 EmmmieG
What, exactly, is a 555+ Palestinian?
555 is a fake phone number prefix, used in literature wherever they don't want people dialing a number they read in a book.
/It's a code!
It could also be one really fat Palestinian. Just saying.
It's like Pennsylvania 6-5000!
| 652 |
Sharmuta Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:20:33pm |
re: #647 jaunte
Tell him there's no such thing as Palesten.
Why is it none of these people can spell?
| 653 |
pegcity Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:20:35pm |
re: #634 Charles
killed by chance, i mean rockets fall on people every day by chance just like lightening
| 654 |
Gretchen G.Tiger Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:20:52pm |
re: #650 realwest
I don't know that I'd call LGF a conservative blog, cause we do have a lot of differences of opinion here on social policy and the like. Maybe more like a Liberal Blog (except that there really isn't room in today's political atmosphere for "liberals" just Lefty and Conservative. Most political labels seem to have lost their meanings afaic.
But LGF IS the best damn blog out there, whatever you want to label it.
Classical Liberal is the new "conservative".
| 657 |
jcm Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:21:00pm |
re: #641 realwest
well I don't know what else they coulda done to check out the relatives. I'm still sorry for y'all - it's gotta hurt.
Oh and reply sent to you!
That's what we signed up for. Give our best to little ones who've been dealt a raw hand.
| 658 |
lifeofthemind Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:21:01pm |
Extra votes for schizophrenics and sock puppets, no more Speciesism, all beings and spiritual entities must be heard from, in fact I think I am hearing from several now.
| 659 |
SteveC Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:21:18pm |
re: #644 rawmuse
Does anyone remember what percentage of the vote Hamas got in the election?
IIRC, it was not close.
I remember thinking the Hams election had been rigged, that many people couldn't be idiots.
Then we voted, and now I think the Hamas results may be legit after all!
| 660 |
realwest Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:21:32pm |
re: #644 rawmuse
Yep, something like 45% to around 40% for Fatah (I thought Hamas had won in an overwhelming vote, but salt4u2 or whatever was only too happy to correct me!
| 661 |
rawmuse Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:21:36pm |
re: #652 Sharmuta
Why is it none of these people can spell?
Oh, gee, let me venture a guess. I think it is because they have shit for brains.
| 662 |
Gretchen G.Tiger Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:21:47pm |
re: #658 lifeofthemind
Extra votes for schizophrenics and sock puppets, no more Speciesism, all beings and spiritual entities must be heard from, in fact I think I am hearing from several now.
drinking again?
:0
| 663 |
Wyatt Earp Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:21:53pm |
re: #653 pegcity
killed by chance, i mean rockets fall on people every day by chance just like lightening
"I was just walkin' down the street, and BANG!"
Idiots.
| 665 |
avanti Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:22:02pm |
re: #634 Charles
Here's another love note I just received from St. Louis, Missouri:
Bad craziness is loose in the world.
I take his point, except he has it backwards. The Palestinian civilians are being killed by accident because Hamas is trying to kill the Jewish civilians on purpose. Perhaps in the interest of fairness, the Israelis could fire rockets randomly into Gaza as a proportionate response. /s
| 666 |
lifeofthemind Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:22:08pm |
Regarding last thread and the hate mail, laugh to relieve tension but do not take it lightly. Illiterates can kill.
| 667 |
Gretchen G.Tiger Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:22:46pm |
re: #661 rawmuse
Oh, gee, let me venture a guess. I think it is because they have shit for brains.
Is spelling something they teach in public school these days?
| 668 |
Desert Dog Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:23:05pm |
re: #650 realwest
I don't know that I'd call LGF a conservative blog, cause we do have a lot of differences of opinion here on social policy and the like. Maybe more like a Liberal Blog (except that there really isn't room in today's political atmosphere for "liberals" just Lefty and Conservative. Most political labels seem to have lost their meanings afaic.
But LGF IS the best damn blog out there, whatever you want to label it.
Hey, wait a minute, I thought this was an evil bloodthirsty Zionist Atheist Wingnut Republitard Blog......you mean I;ve been in the wrong place this whole time? geez! Oh well, I guess I will stay then....
| 670 |
lifeofthemind Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:23:50pm |
| 671 |
Desert Dog Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:23:55pm |
re: #660 realwest
Yep, something like 45% to around 40% for Fatah (I thought Hamas had won in an overwhelming vote, but salt4u2 or whatever was only too happy to correct me!
But, what percentage did Ron Paul get? And, I am certain if they recounted the votes, Al Franken would be ruling Gaza today.....
| 672 |
rawmuse Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:24:06pm |
re: #667 ggt
Is spelling something they teach in public school these days?
I think it has been replaced by texting.
| 673 |
Gretchen G.Tiger Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:24:41pm |
re: #668 Desert Dog
Hey, wait a minute, I thought this was an evil bloodthirsty Zionist Atheist Wingnut Republitard Blog......you mean I;ve been in the wrong place this whole time? geez! Oh well, I guess I will stay then....
Didn't you get the memo? W E A R E H O N C O S
| 675 |
sattv4u2 Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:25:07pm |
re: #660 realwest
Yep, something like 45% to around 40% for Fatah (I thought Hamas had won in an overwhelming vote, but salt4u2 or whatever was only too happy to correct me!
hamas 44.+ %
fatah 41.+ %
9 other "parties" shared the other 11%
The vote count difference between Hamas and Fatah was 30,000 out of a total of just under 1 million votes cast
| 676 |
Gretchen G.Tiger Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:25:12pm |
| 677 |
karmic_inquisitor Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:25:24pm |
BTW - WattsUpWithThat is a best blog nominee in the science category.
| 678 |
lifeofthemind Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:25:35pm |
re: #668 Desert Dog
Hey, wait a minute, I thought this was an evil bloodthirsty Zionist Atheist Wingnut Republitard Blog......you mean I;ve been in the wrong place this whole time? geez! Oh well, I guess I will stay then....
This is the Monty Python appreciation Blog, the BZAWRB is next door in room 12b.
| 679 |
Shug Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:26:05pm |
re: #634 Charles
Here's another love note I just received from St. Louis, Missouri:
Bad craziness is loose in the world.
Is it that CAIR appologist who writes the religion column for the St Louis newspaper ?
| 680 |
Desert Dog Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:26:10pm |
re: #672 rawmuse
I think it has been replaced by texting.
Sliced bread is not the greatest thing ever.....it's SPELLCHECKER...that, is the new greatest thing ever. Making bad spellers look good for years!
| 681 |
realwest Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:26:20pm |
re: #627 jwb7605 Well I agree about the 8 of 9 other sites in the Conservative side, but how the hell did Kos get nominated for anything printable?!
And I still don't understand - when the hell did they have their nominations for each category and how did the vote breakdown.
They did this to us last year too - although I thought last year it was best Community Blog.
| 682 |
jcm Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:26:59pm |
re: #677 karmic_inquisitor
BTW - WattsUpWithThat is a best blog nominee in the science category.
Excellent! Outstanding work being done by that guy.
| 683 |
lifeofthemind Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:27:01pm |
Whenever I try to vote all the choices say either Stuart Smiley or Ron Paul.
| 684 |
Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:27:08pm |
re: #634 Charles
Here's another love note I just received from St. Louis, Missouri:
You dickheads are shameless... 555+ Palestenian, mostly innocent, killed, and what 5 Israeli's killed by chance...
Bogus, bullshit statistics aside: I guess these "5 Israeli's" died by fatally stubbed toes, eh? Chance indeed.
Rockets don't kill people.
Single minded, bloodthirsty theocrats indiscriminately launching rockets into civilian populations kill people.
Suck on my avatar, Feckless from Missouri. "By chance" my ass!
| 685 |
SteveC Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:27:11pm |
re: #678 lifeofthemind
This is the Monty Python appreciation Blog, the BZAWRB is next door in room 12b.
Kinda explains why you haven't been getting your checks from the Zionist High Command, doesn't it?
| 686 |
realwest Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:27:40pm |
re: #668 Desert Dog
LOL! Glad you're sticking around!
Hey, didja vote today?!
| 687 |
Racer X Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:27:53pm |
re: #634 Charles
You dickheads are shameless... 555+ Palestenian, mostly innocent, killed, and what 5 Israeli's killed by chance... genocide ongoing in Gaza at the hands of the putrid and horrific Zionist criminals, and you pricks have the NERVE to marginalize and BLAME THE PALESTENIANS for their own deaths?
The israelis have done a really good job of targeting only bad guys, whereas Hamas has done a piss-poor job at killing as many innocent Jews as possible. But it is not for lack of trying.
| 688 |
Digital Display Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:28:07pm |
I dialed 1-800-555-Pali and got this:
Welcome to Gaza one Hotline
press 1 to donate food, medicine and other supplies;
press 2 if you have long range programmable missles
press 3 If you have press credentials and a tag along phototog.
press 4 if you have word of any looming Fatwa's
press 5 for suicide belts and replacement parts ( Sorry our Indian Helpdesk is off line today)
press 6 If you worked on the chunnel project and are out of work
press 7 if you are a Hollywood actor
press 8 if you are Jimmy Carter ( Where you been bro?)
press 9 if you are a Charity
press 0 for the operator....
| 689 |
pegcity Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:28:33pm |
re: #684 Slumbering Behemoth
Bogus, bullshit statistics aside: I guess these "5 Israeli's" died by fatally stubbed toes, eh? Chance indeed.
Rockets don't kill people.
Single minded, bloodthirsty theocrats indiscriminately launching rockets into civilian populations kill people.
Suck on my avatar, Feckless from Missouri. "By chance" my ass!
just like car bombs kill people, guns kill people and mortars kill people. Damn inanimate objects, they cannot get enough of death
| 690 |
Shug Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:29:06pm |
re: #688 HoosierHoops
I dialed 1-800-555-Pali and got this:
Welcome to Gaza one Hotline
para espanol, marke numero dos
press 1 to donate food, medicine and other supplies;
press 2 if you have long range programmable missles
press 3 If you have press credentials and a tag along phototog.
press 4 if you have word of any looming Fatwa's
press 5 for suicide belts and replacement parts ( Sorry our Indian Helpdesk is off line today)
press 6 If you worked on the chunnel project and are out of work
press 7 if you are a Hollywood actor
press 8 if you are Jimmy Carter ( Where you been bro?)
press 9 if you are a Charity
press 0 for the operator....
fixed
| 691 |
realwest Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:29:06pm |
re: #675 sattv4u2
How did I know you'd show up with those numbers again?! LOL!
Did y'all vote yet today?
| 692 |
lifeofthemind Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:30:14pm |
re: #680 Desert Dog
Sliced bread is not the greatest thing ever.....it's SPELLCHECKER...that, is the new greatest thing ever. Making bad spellers look good for years!
Careful think of three little words x 2.
their there they're
to too two
Spellcheck is rarely a grammar check. Easy to end up looking like Mr. "Kill the Juice."
| 693 |
Archimedes Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:30:33pm |
re: #305 rawmuse
Wake board surfing while playing the trombone.
That guy is all wet and a blow hard! :D
| 694 |
Gretchen G.Tiger Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:30:55pm |
Actually, I think it should be H O N C O S ™
| 695 |
SteveC Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:31:00pm |
re: #686 realwest
LOL! Glad you're sticking around!
Hey, didja vote today?!
No, but I bought War Bonds!
| 696 |
Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:31:03pm |
| 697 |
sattv4u2 Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:31:20pm |
re: #691 realwest
How did I know you'd show up with those numbers again?! LOL!
Did y'all vote yet today?
Not yet, but I did vote 'yesterday" (Monday). I'll vote today (Tuesday) later this morning. I gotta go set something up for Fox Sports now
| 699 |
Desert Dog Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:32:36pm |
re: #686 realwest
LOL! Glad you're sticking around!
Hey, didja vote today?!
I did.....LGF all the way, baby!
| 700 |
realwest Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:32:40pm |
re: #638 Sharmuta
""small dead animals"? Is that really a blog?! Cause if they're about to overtake Pamela, that means they are also closer to us!
| 701 |
Wishing Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:33:03pm |
| 702 |
Noam Sayin' Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:33:51pm |
re: #636 wolfie
Don't know them. I'll check them out.
Be warned, it's alt-country, but sometimes sounds more traditional than current country music. It's also sometimes referred to as Americana.
| 704 |
realwest Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:35:36pm |
re: #680 Desert Dog
Uh, while it's true that Sliced bread is not the greatest thing ever, neither is Spellchecker - the best thing ever was the invention of canned beer!
:)
| 705 |
Gretchen G.Tiger Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:35:38pm |
| 707 |
realwest Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:38:35pm |
re: #671 Desert Dog
I wish Al Franken was ruling Gaza today.
| 708 |
Wishing Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:38:39pm |
| 709 |
lifeofthemind Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:38:58pm |
re: #685 SteveC
Kinda explains why you haven't been getting your checks from the Zionist High Command, doesn't it?
Mistakes? We don't make mistakes. - fm Brazil
| 712 |
karmic_inquisitor Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:40:18pm |
re: #707 realwest
I wish Al Franken was ruling Gaza today.
It would look no different. Corrupt shitholes tend to attract and retain corrupt shitheads
| 713 |
sattv4u2 Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:40:52pm |
K Lizards. I gotta scoot. I have to get on the phone an order my Sham Wow. "Vince" told me I have only 20 minutes to get the "specail offer", because they can't do this all night !
| 714 |
itellu3times Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:40:57pm |
You dickheads are shameless... 555+ Palestenian, mostly innocent, killed, and what 5 Israeli's killed by chance... genocide ongoing in Gaza at the hands of the putrid and horrific Zionist criminals, and you pricks have the NERVE to marginalize and BLAME THE PALESTENIANS for their own deaths?
In reverse order, yes, the Palestinians have chosen death, and by doing so are not marginalized but glorious martyrs, or so they believe - or they presumably would have chosen another path.
If you call 555 "genocide", you are an idiot. A single bomb, purposely or accidentally in the wrong place, would kill that many in an instant. What Israel does is the opposite of genocide, and I fear they make themselves totally ineffective by doing so (there is a huge spectrum between 500 and 2,000,000, since when is 2.5 hundreths of one percent "genocide"?)
Innocent? You have a list of who in the world is innocent? If they voted for Hamas, are they innocent? If they launched a missile, are they innocent? If their nephew launched a missile into Israel, should he die, should the family die? Would he go spit in the eye of a lion, and then wonder if the lion chewed his head off, and half his family, if they stood beside him? It's not that the lion is vicious, it's that he is an idiot and gets what he deserves.
As for being shameless dickheads, can't see anything hereabouts to be ashamed of, except not being more active in Israel's defense. On the final point, we will just have to leave it to the anatomy department.
| 715 |
Desert Dog Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:41:12pm |
re: #707 realwest
I wish Al Franken was ruling Gaza today.
I do too....but, I'm afraid his ugly head would already be on a pike in front of the Grand Hamas Poobahs Office...To be fair to Al, I am positive he would do a better job than the current lot. (My cat could do a better job)
| 717 |
realwest Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:41:38pm |
re: #678 lifeofthemind
Excellent! And the Argument Clinic is two doors down on the left!
| 718 |
solomonpanting Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:41:39pm |
re: #692 lifeofthemind
Careful think of three little words x 2.
their there they're
to too twoSpellcheck is rarely a grammar check. Easy to end up looking like Mr. "Kill the Juice."
To their two, they're there, too.
| 719 |
itellu3times Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:41:52pm |
But I will say this, if it were a choice betwee Nancy Pelosi and Hamas, I could see the difficulty that would put people in.
| 721 |
ConservativeAtheist Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:42:20pm |
re: #111 motorcycleboy
I didn't know there was such a thing as an atheist 'conservative' blog. Maybe an atheist 'libertarian' blog, but certainly not conservative.
I love this place!
| 722 |
Gretchen G.Tiger Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:42:38pm |
| 723 |
karmic_inquisitor Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:42:42pm |
re: #694 ggt
Actually, I think it should be H O N C O S ™
If you want to market the Honcosphere to the youth vote you need something edgy. How about "Honconista?" Or "Honcontra?"
| 724 |
karmic_inquisitor Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:43:09pm |
| 725 |
realwest Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:43:30pm |
re: #684 Slumbering Behemoth "Single minded, bloodthirsty theocrats indiscriminately launching rockets filled with ballbearing and other shrapnel into civilian populations kill people."
There, fixed that for ya!
| 726 |
lifeofthemind Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:43:33pm |
Incredibly the Philistines have proven less competent at killing Jews than have been the Israelis themselves. If they were rational actors the Gazans would volunteer to go away and pay the Israelis a subsidy to take care of the business themselves.
Capt. Milo Minderbinder please call your office.
| 727 |
wolfie Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:44:02pm |
re: #704 realwest
Disposable diapers.
Flush toilet/indoor plumbing.
Frost-free refrigerator.
Moisturizing bubble bath.
| 728 |
jcm Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:44:04pm |
re: #722 ggt
H O N C O S ™ are us.
You guys are making me hungry... all his N A C H O S ™ talk......
| 729 |
Gretchen G.Tiger Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:44:08pm |
re: #712 karmic_inquisitor
It would look no different. Corrupt shitholes tend to attract and retain corrupt shitheads
Well, you know, when all the sane people leave to find a better life, that leaves Who/What? to run for office?
| 730 |
Wishing Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:44:18pm |
re: #720 jcm
Now we have to teach you the secret handshake.....
Whats that funny check I got last week? Is that part of this too?
| 732 |
lifeofthemind Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:45:17pm |
| 733 |
pegcity Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:45:36pm |
re: #726 lifeofthemind
Incredibly the Philistines have proven less competent at killing Jews than have been the Israelis themselves. If they were rational actors the Gazans would volunteer to go away and pay the Israelis a subsidy to take care of the business themselves.
Capt. Milo Minderbinder please call your office.
if they were rational they wouldn't be palis, theyd be egyptians or jordanians or lebanese
| 734 |
realwest Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:45:38pm |
re: #695 SteveC
Well hell, y'all can buy War Bonds AND vote, ya know?
| 735 |
Shiplord Kirel Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:46:02pm |
Incredible:
Hamas fugitive Zahar declares victory from secret hiding place, calls for murder of Jewish children.
Hamas spokesman Mahmoud Az-Zahar claimed victory for Hamas on Monday, saying Hamas had succeeded in “destroying Israel's sense of security” with its rocket attacks. Zahar made his proclamation in video footage sent from a secret hideout, where he is taking shelter in order to avoid being targeted in an IAF strike. Other Hamas leaders have gone into hiding as well.
Hitler in the bunker, though not even Hitler was delusional enough to declare victory from his final hide-out.
| 736 |
lifeofthemind Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:46:06pm |
| 737 |
Gretchen G.Tiger Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:46:07pm |
re: #723 karmic_inquisitor
If you want to market the Honcosphere to the youth vote you need something edgy. How about "Honconista?" Or "Honcontra?"
No, I think H O N C O S ™ works well. Although I am tired of typing it.
| 738 |
Killian Bundy Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:46:30pm |
Mayor Villaraigosa throws support behind Israel
Los Angeles Mayor Antonio Villaraigosa threw his support behind Israel this afternoon, backing the country in its latest strikes against Hamas and its invasion of the Gaza Strip.
The announcement, made during a news conference, pleased Jewish leaders in Los Angeles, but sparked anger among local Muslim groups.
"I've been to Sderot and seen the wreckage caused by a constant barrage of rocket attacks," Villaraigosa said of the city in southern Israel. "I've met parents afraid to let their kids play in the streets and students unable to go to school each day. I've walked along empty roads, visited vacant buildings and witnessed the sheer destruction of a town decimated by eight years of missile strikes."
/pretty gutsy for a California politician
| 739 |
pegcity Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:47:02pm |
re: #735 Shiplord Kirel
i really hope he gets to meet Yasin in hell
| 740 |
Dark_Falcon Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:47:04pm |
re: #634 Charles
Here's another love note I just received from St. Louis, Missouri:
Bad craziness is loose in the world.
Innocent? Dear Lord, does that person not have eyes?! A population that cheers on murderers is not innocent. They may not deserve to die, but they are surely deserving of punishment.
| 741 |
Gretchen G.Tiger Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:47:13pm |
re: #727 wolfie
Disposable diapers.
Flush toilet/indoor plumbing.
Frost-free refrigerator.
Moisturizing bubble bath.
Indoor plumbing and flush toilet for $100 Alex.
| 742 |
Mostly sane, most of the time. Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:47:48pm |
re: #738 Killian Bundy
No, no, no...didn't you see that post a few threads back? All of our thinking is controlled by seven Jooos. Michael Eisner, Sumner Redstone, and I forget who else.
I think the mind control rays in LA would be stronger, being closer to Anaheim and all that.
/here's the sarc tag if you need it
| 743 |
lifeofthemind Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:48:16pm |
In bad news, did everyone see this from the IDF spokesperson?
Friendly Fire Incident
Three IDF soldiers were killed, one was critically wounded, three were severely wounded and 20 soldiers were lightly to moderately wounded as a result of an IDF tank shell explosion fired in error during an operation in the northern Gaza Strip. The shell hit a structure where the soldiers were located.
The families of the fallen and injured soldiers have been notified.The incident occurred during an intensive battle waged by Golani Brigade soldiers against Hamas.
In the hours following the incident other scenarios were taken into consideration as the cause, including that the explosion was caused by an enemy anti-tank missile or that the structure was rigged with explosives, but these were later ruled out.
The injured soldiers received initial medical treatment in the field before being evacuated by helicopters and vehicles to hospitals in Israel. Heavy IDF artillery fire provided cover for the evacuation.
Golani Brigade commander, Colonel Avi Peled, sustained light injuries in the incident. Col. Peled oversaw the evacuation in the field and directed the artillery and aerial cover via communication systems. Only after all those injured were evacuated did the brigade commander seek medical attention for himself
| 744 |
traderjoe9 Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:48:20pm |
Israeli genocide:
1948: 1,300,000 "Palestinians"
2009: 4,000,000 "Palestinians"
Israel sucks at genocide.
| 745 |
Dustyvet Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:48:30pm |
I have all my little Honco's all in a row...:) I fired the ducks!
| 746 |
jcm Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:48:49pm |
'Nite all.
Every socialist is a disguised dictator.
Ludwig von Mises
| 747 |
Gretchen G.Tiger Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:49:32pm |
re: #741 ggt
Indoor plumbing and flush toilet for $100 Alex.
pasteurized milk should be on that list.
| 748 |
Gretchen G.Tiger Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:50:13pm |
re: #744 traderjoe9
Israeli genocide:
1948: 1,300,000 "Palestinians"
2009: 4,000,000 "Palestinians"Israel sucks at genocide.
yeah, they didn't even write it into their Charter.
| 749 |
Dark_Falcon Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:50:18pm |
re: #738 Killian Bundy
Mayor Villaraigosa throws support behind Israel
/pretty gutsy for a California politician
Thank you, Mayor Villaraigosa. By actually going to see the places tormented by Islamists and drawing the right conclusions, you have shown yourself wiser than many others. Ignore the screamers who will now attack you; you have set yourself upon a righteous course, stay on it.
| 750 |
Archimedes Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:50:45pm |
re: #740 Dark_Falcon
Innocent? Dear Lord, does that person not have eyes?! A population that cheers on murderers is not innocent. They may not deserve to die, but they are surely deserving of punishment.
The deaths are on the heads of Hama and their supporters, just as most of the deaths, on both sides, were the fault of the Nazis and Imperialist Japanese in WWII.
Furthermore, I'm going to protect those I love and value and not use some sort of "proportional equation" in the process.
| 751 |
rawmuse Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:50:59pm |
Whenever Bad Craziness is loose in the world, I take comfort in the Book.
Here is what Zechariah had to say about our times.
And with that, I bid you good night.
| 752 |
realwest Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:51:02pm |
re: #724 karmic_inquisitor
It most certainly is. I was just there!
| 753 |
Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:51:05pm |
re: #705 ggt
So it was kinda sarc? I am aware that "conservatism" (for awhile there, anyway) was the new "classical liberalism". What "conservative" means now? Apparently that is left to very broad, individual interpretation.
Are there any "classical liberals" left? Also, individual interpretation.
/though I can play the part of the "idiot", I am becoming quite fond of the label "Anti-Idiotarian".
| 754 |
Desert Dog Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:51:10pm |
re: #735 Shiplord Kirel
Incredible:
Hamas fugitive Zahar declares victory from secret hiding place, calls for murder of Jewish children.Hitler in the bunker, though not even Hitler was delusional enough to declare victory from his final hide-out.
Oh the brave Muslim warrior, hiding in your caves, won't you come out to play? Won't you come out to play?
Didn't think so....
Oh Cowardly, Lilylivered, Yellow "warriors" won't you come out to play? Won't you come out to play?
I think proclaiming victory from a secret hiding place kinda negates the victory, doesn't it? The bits about murdering Jewish children do not help his "bravery" street cred either
| 755 |
Alberta Oil Peon Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:51:45pm |
re: #605 jwb7605
MRI is the only method to detect the presence of a lipo sarcoma tumor.
Also, MRI's are OK if you have non-ferro-resonant metals in your body (such as titanium staples).The technology got 'set back' for a while, because they used to call it Nuclear Magnetic Resonance. People freaked at the nucular part.
Heh! All proof of the dismal state of science education in the world. Sure the magnetic resonance is "nuclear", all they are doing is measuring the spin quanta of un-paired protons in the nucleus of atoms (mostly hydrogen) in the body's tissues. You line 'em all up with a strong magnetic field, then turn off the field and analyze the radio-frequency signal the protons emit as they gyrate around to line up with the magnetic field of the Earth. No dangerous ionizing radiation whatsoever.
Kind of like having a platoon of troops on the parade ground, being reviewed by a general, and when he orders, "at ease", and walks away, see how long it takes for the troops to notice there's a naked babe in the reviewing stand.
| 756 |
Gretchen G.Tiger Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:53:59pm |
Actually, RW, H O N C O S ™ is from Charles's post one flight down.
| 757 |
realwest Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:54:14pm |
re: #700 realwest
OK, I went to small dead animals and that's two of those listed blogs I don't like: small dead animals had THIS as their headline for January 4th:
We Don't Need No Stinking Giant Fans
Well eff' them! Must be located in Philly!
| 758 |
solomonpanting Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:54:18pm |
Amazing how some columnists can be so naive:
For a brief period, America's new president will bask in universal goodwill. The Arab world, Muslims generally, and Palestinians in particular, have unprecedented reason to believe they will be heard. Israel can count on Obama's friendship. The war in Gaza requires him to act boldly and swiftly. If he has political and moral capital, he must begin by spending it there, making sure that such heartbreaking violence stops, for good.
Most of the comments are right on, though.
| 759 |
ConservativeAtheist Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:54:21pm |
re: #634 Charles
Here's another love note I just received from St. Louis, Missouri:
Bad craziness is loose in the world.
That person might want to stop and ponder the idea that the population of the West Bank chose to elect their leaders who ran on a platform of "Death to Israel." You make your bed; you lie in it.
| 760 |
Killian Bundy Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:54:52pm |
re: #743 lifeofthemind
In bad news, did everyone see this from the IDF spokesperson?
That sucks, a 120mm HE shell will certainly ruin your day.
/apparently Israel doesn't have Blue Force Tracking yet
| 763 |
lifeofthemind Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:55:15pm |
re: #755 Alberta Oil Peon
Kind of like having a platoon of troops on the parade ground, being reviewed by a general, and when he orders, "at ease", and walks away, see how long it takes for the troops to notice there's a naked babe in the reviewing stand.
For the new Hopey Changey Forces planned by the Kossites that will be the final test before they graduate. If you notice and care at all you will fail.
| 764 |
Joan Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:55:45pm |
Voted.
LGF is doing well, need to cast our ballots Lizards!
Hmm. I like some of the competitors, they are very different "flavor" from LGF, doesn't make them wrong. Just not my flavor.
| 765 |
Noam Sayin' Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:56:26pm |
Apple Introduces Revolutionary New Laptop With No Keyboard
"Everything is just a few hundred clicks away."
| 767 |
Joan Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:57:15pm |
re: #756 ggt
Actually, RW, H O N C O S ™ is from Charles's post one flight down.
all your honcos is belong to us
| 768 |
Desert Dog Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:57:28pm |
re: #758 solomonpanting
Amazing how some columnists can be so naive:
Most of the comments are right on, though.
He's doing a great job so far with his Helen Keller impersonation. I think the Arab world might be even more disappointed than the moonbats when "the One" finally coughs up some actual policy. (Of course, I do not expect to be very happy with his decisions either!)
| 769 |
Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:58:17pm |
My bud from [location redacted] just called, so I am out for now.
Later Lizards. Nice chatting with y'all, as always.
| 770 |
Archimedes Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:58:53pm |
re: #750 Archimedes
The deaths are on the heads of Hama and their supporters, just as most of the deaths, on both sides, were the fault of the Nazis and Imperialist Japanese in WWII.
Furthermore, I'm going to protect those I love and value and not use some sort of "proportional equation" in the process.
Hama= Hamas
| 771 |
Joan Mon, Jan 5, 2009 9:59:16pm |
re: #77 jwb7605
ahh, err, I gathered that um when he assumes the ascendancy he is going to er, umm, offer a dissenting uh, viewpoint from, uhh, the one uh, being pursued err, currently. um.
err, crapum.
um, well said, but; as I've always said, primarily um. Pablum.
| 772 |
realwest Mon, Jan 5, 2009 10:00:33pm |
re: #746 jcm
Goodnight jcm - and thank you! Sleep well my friend.
| 773 |
Alberta Oil Peon Mon, Jan 5, 2009 10:01:33pm |
re: #700 realwest
""small dead animals"? Is that really a blog?! Cause if they're about to overtake Pamela, that means they are also closer to us!
Small Dead Animals is in fact a conservative blog, and one of the best-visited blogs in Canada. It doesn't hurt that the blog's proprietor, Kate McMillan is quite a hottie, either.
I gave Kate my vote, today. Tomorrow, LGF gets its due. SDA has better coverage on Canadian issues, but it's well worth a read for you folks on the underside of the 49th parallel. Some nice snark, on occasion, too.
| 774 |
shanec99 Mon, Jan 5, 2009 10:02:14pm |
re: #755 Alberta Oil Peon
MRI is the only method to detect the presence of a lipo sarcoma tumor.
The only... surely you jest.
From where I sit, pathologists have been using tissue specimens obtained through biopsy to identify those and various other cancers for years. Have the pathologist ceded all diagnostic work to the radiologists?
Radiology is "sexy" and non invasive procedures are wonderful at reducing nosocomial mortality and morbidity, but let us not marginalize the work pathologists do every day.
| 776 |
solomonpanting Mon, Jan 5, 2009 10:04:01pm |
re: #768 Desert Dog
He's doing a great job so far with his Helen Keller impersonation. I think the Arab world might be even more disappointed than the moonbats when "the One" finally coughs up some actual policy. (Of course, I do not expect to be very happy with his decisions either!)
What saddens me more than his willful blindness is his idea that Obama, or anyone for that matter, can bring two entities together when one desires the elimination of the other.
| 777 |
Desert Dog Mon, Jan 5, 2009 10:05:45pm |
re: #776 solomonpanting
What saddens me more than his willful blindness is his idea that Obama, or anyone for that matter, can bring two entities together when one desires the elimination of the other.
It's not blindness.....it is EGO. He really thinks he can do it by the sheer will of his personality. Man, will be get a lesson in actual reality once he steps into that arena....It will not be pretty.
| 778 |
Wishing Mon, Jan 5, 2009 10:05:53pm |
The US, being a rudderless ship for the time being, sure has been an asset to Israel with this hamas go-round.
They have 2 weeks to get er done.
| 779 |
Gretchen G.Tiger Mon, Jan 5, 2009 10:06:06pm |
re: #753 Slumbering Behemoth
So it was kinda sarc? I am aware that "conservatism" (for awhile there, anyway) was the new "classical liberalism". What "conservative" means now? Apparently that is left to very broad, individual interpretation.
Are there any "classical liberals" left? Also, individual interpretation.
/though I can play the part of the "idiot", I am becoming quite fond of the label "Anti-Idiotarian".
Yeah, I guess. The labels are so confused now. It's hard tell. It seems to me that what many people who consider themselves conservatives are really Classical Liberal by today's standards.
By that I mean:
+People who want government to stop taking our money and let us live our lives and make our own way.
+People who don't give a rat's @ss who anyone sleeps with as long as it isn't children or animals or involves criminal violence AND they aren't spreading diseases or creating children they don't want or can't raise responsibly.
+People who don't mind helping people truly in need and actually consider that doing so makes economic sense, but we don't think we should be paying for people to drive luxury SUV's while expecting us to buy their bread and milk.
+People who are happy, overjoyed, to pay for public education, but expect children to actually learn how to read and write and appreciate the history of this country.
+People who probably know more about how to care for the environment and have been doing so for nearly a century by purchasing hunting and fishing licenses as well as actually spending time in the outdoors and learning a healthy respect for it.
+People who are not afraid and, actually see the logic, idea of defending oneself and one's nation against imminent danger.
etc . . .
/rant off
| 780 |
gmsc Mon, Jan 5, 2009 10:06:26pm |
[sarcasm]
I saw it in The Globe, so it must be true!
[/sarcasm]
| 781 |
Desert Dog Mon, Jan 5, 2009 10:06:42pm |
re: #778 Wishing
The US, being a rudderless ship for the time being, sure has been an asset to Israel with this hamas go-round.
They have 2 weeks to get er done.
Yes, we have a lame duck President and then a lame President
| 782 |
Desert Dog Mon, Jan 5, 2009 10:08:07pm |
AWWWW MAAAANN....Mrs. Desert Dog tells me it's sleepy time.....see you kids later, let's play more tomorrow!
| 783 |
Wishing Mon, Jan 5, 2009 10:08:10pm |
re: #779 ggt
Several updings from me, but it appears that only one *took*.
Sorry bout that.
| 784 |
shanec99 Mon, Jan 5, 2009 10:08:11pm |
re: #768 Desert Dog
He's doing a great job so far with his Helen Keller impersonation. I think the Arab world might be even more disappointed than the moonbats when "the One" finally coughs up some actual policy. (Of course, I do not expect to be very happy with his decisions either!)
Well according to news reports he is planning a stimulus package by starting with a $300 Billion tax cut... so far things are not so bad, I hope that this is a sign of rational ideas from some in his upcoming administration.
[Link: ca.news.yahoo.com...]
| 785 |
realwest Mon, Jan 5, 2009 10:09:02pm |
re: #773 Alberta Oil Peon
And
re: #775 alteredbeat
You know, I don't mind that you voted for a different blog for consevative blog, but why do you feel the need to state it out here on Charles' blog?
I kinda understand Alberta Oil Peon cause he's Canadian, eh? But even so and I'm sorry to say this, but I think it's in poor taste to say you prefer LGF's competitors ON LGF.
| 786 |
Dustyvet Mon, Jan 5, 2009 10:09:20pm |
Senate Democrats put off plans to seat Franken
[Link: news.yahoo.com...]
| 787 |
Gretchen G.Tiger Mon, Jan 5, 2009 10:09:30pm |
re: #783 Wishing
Several updings from me, but it appears that only one *took*.
Sorry bout that.
Thanks!
| 788 |
Wishing Mon, Jan 5, 2009 10:09:50pm |
re: #784 shanec99
Well according to news reports he is planning a stimulus package by starting with a $300 Billion tax cut... so far things are not so bad, I hope that this is a sign of rational ideas from some in his upcoming administration.
[Link: ca.news.yahoo.com...]
Um, there is some concern that the *tax cut* will be sent to people who actually pay no taxes.
Something seems wrong with that.
| 789 |
solomonpanting Mon, Jan 5, 2009 10:10:10pm |
re: #777 Desert Dog
It's not blindness.....it is EGO. He really thinks he can do it by the sheer will of his personality. Man, will be get a lesson in actual reality once he steps into that arena....It will not be pretty.
I apologize for not being clear. I was referring to the author's blindness, not Obama's. However, Obama's campaign rhetoric about sitting down with all parties could place him in the same catagory.
| 790 |
Alberta Oil Peon Mon, Jan 5, 2009 10:10:23pm |
re: #774 shanec99
The only... surely you jest.
From where I sit, pathologists have been using tissue specimens obtained through biopsy to identify those and various other cancers for years. Have the pathologist ceded all diagnostic work to the radiologists?
Radiology is "sexy" and non invasive procedures are wonderful at reducing nosocomial mortality and morbidity, but let us not marginalize the work pathologists do every day.
Hey, shane99, I was quoting another Lizard's post. I'm a geologist , and I was just commenting on the science-ignorance of the masses who get heart palpitations when the word "nuclear" is uttered.
| 791 |
Wishing Mon, Jan 5, 2009 10:10:43pm |
| 792 |
Gretchen G.Tiger Mon, Jan 5, 2009 10:10:44pm |
re: #788 Wishing
Um, there is some concern that the *tax cut* will be sent to people who actually pay no taxes.
Something seems wrong with that.
Can you say R E D I S T R I B U T I O N ?
| 793 |
realwest Mon, Jan 5, 2009 10:11:05pm |
re: #712 karmic_inquisitor
Yes, well, maybe but at least Al Franken wouldn't be HERE!
| 794 |
shanec99 Mon, Jan 5, 2009 10:11:28pm |
re: #785 realwest
And
re: #775 alteredbeat
You know, I don't mind that you voted for a different blog for consevative blog, but why do you feel the need to state it out here on Charles' blog?
I kinda understand Alberta Oil Peon cause he's Canadian, eh? But even so and I'm sorry to say this, but I think it's in poor taste to say you prefer LGF's competitors ON LGF.
Real West... in my book you are the man... but don't make a big deal because a fellow is being honest. This is one we can ignore... kind of like ..."nothing to see here... move along."
| 795 |
Wishing Mon, Jan 5, 2009 10:11:34pm |
| 796 |
Salem Mon, Jan 5, 2009 10:13:22pm |
Hmmm, tomorrow is some Islamic holiday called Ashurah. Watch out.
| 797 |
shanec99 Mon, Jan 5, 2009 10:13:34pm |
re: #788 Wishing
Um, there is some concern that the *tax cut* will be sent to people who actually pay no taxes.
Something seems wrong with that.
No this is a tax cut... taxes are being reduced... but some people (the groups he prefers will be getting the bigger break), but everyone will benefit.
I wont complain about a tax cut ever.
| 798 |
Wishing Mon, Jan 5, 2009 10:13:50pm |
I was hoping for an open thread, so I could show you 2nd amendment enthusiasts my new toy!
Tapping foot...Charles?
| 799 |
realwest Mon, Jan 5, 2009 10:14:54pm |
re: #786 Dustyvet
Hey Dusty - did you read where the Dems ARE GOING TO NOT ALLOW Burris to take his Senate seat? Don't have the link handy (damn it) but he's flying to Washington D.C. tomorrow I think and Reid said today that he won't allow Burris on the Senate floor!
And two Black congressman from Illinois - both Dems, natch - said that the Democratic Controlled Senate is looking like a Plantation! Burris says he refuses to inject race into the issue, but apparently he has supporters and they sure as hell are!
| 800 |
Dustyvet Mon, Jan 5, 2009 10:15:19pm |
re: #798 Wishing
I was hoping for an open thread, so I could show you 2nd amendment enthusiasts my new toy!
Tapping foot...Charles?
Does it go brrrrrrrrrrrrr, when it stops?...:)
| 801 |
shanec99 Mon, Jan 5, 2009 10:16:02pm |
re: #790 Alberta Oil Peon
Hey, shane99, I was quoting another Lizard's post. I'm a geologist , and I was just commenting on the science-ignorance of the masses who get heart palpitations when the word "nuclear" is uttered.
Point taken... thanks for the clarification.
| 802 |
Shiplord Kirel Mon, Jan 5, 2009 10:16:37pm |
re: #796 Salem
Hmmm, tomorrow is some Islamic holiday called Ashurah. Watch out.
The 421st holiest day on the Islamic calendar.
| 803 |
Gretchen G.Tiger Mon, Jan 5, 2009 10:16:39pm |
re: #799 realwest
Hey Dusty - did you read where the Dems ARE GOING TO NOT ALLOW Burris to take his Senate seat? Don't have the link handy (damn it) but he's flying to Washington D.C. tomorrow I think and Reid said today that he won't allow Burris on the Senate floor!
And two Black congressman from Illinois - both Dems, natch - said that the Democratic Controlled Senate is looking like a Plantation! Burris says he refuses to inject race into the issue, but apparently he has supporters and they sure as hell are!
Ya, know, Illinois Politics is the gift that just keeps on giving.
| 804 |
Alberta Oil Peon Mon, Jan 5, 2009 10:17:19pm |
re: #785 realwest
And
re: #775 alteredbeat
You know, I don't mind that you voted for a different blog for consevative blog, but why do you feel the need to state it out here on Charles' blog?
I kinda understand Alberta Oil Peon cause he's Canadian, eh? But even so and I'm sorry to say this, but I think it's in poor taste to say you prefer LGF's competitors ON LGF.
Sheesh, RW. I like both. Do I have to have a favorite? I spend more time here, because LGF has a lot more of everything. But in terms of quality of the presenter, SDA is very damn close, and a little more relevant to me as a Canuck. Like I said, tomorrow's vote goes to LGF. One had to be first, it's a coin toss. Both blogs should be on your daily reading list. Sometimes they mirror each other, sometimes they each focus on different themes, and rarely, they take contrary tacks. Charles and Kate are both independent thinkers, so that is to be expected.
| 805 |
Salem Mon, Jan 5, 2009 10:17:20pm |
re: #796 Salem
Hmmm, tomorrow is some Islamic holiday called Ashurah. Watch out.
Oh, that's the day they flog themselves, innit?
| 806 |
Opilio Mon, Jan 5, 2009 10:17:52pm |
re: #790 Alberta Oil Peon
Hey, shane99, I was quoting another Lizard's post. I'm a geologist , and I was just commenting on the science-ignorance of the masses who get heart palpitations when the word "nuclear" is uttered.
I consider myself science-literate, and I get heartburn when the word "nucular" is uttered.
| 807 |
realwest Mon, Jan 5, 2009 10:18:01pm |
re: #794 shanec99
I said I didn't mind if he voted for some other blog, but to come over here and say so is in poor taste. It's sorta like going to two dinner parties and at the second one telling your host that the first dinner party was better.
| 808 |
Dustyvet Mon, Jan 5, 2009 10:18:43pm |
re: #799 realwest
Hey Dusty - did you read where the Dems ARE GOING TO NOT ALLOW Burris to take his Senate seat? Don't have the link handy (damn it) but he's flying to Washington D.C. tomorrow I think and Reid said today that he won't allow Burris on the Senate floor!
And two Black congressman from Illinois - both Dems, natch - said that the Democratic Controlled Senate is looking like a Plantation! Burris says he refuses to inject race into the issue, but apparently he has supporters and they sure as hell are!
Umm, no last thing I read today was that The Secretary of State for the State of Illinois, refused to sign the document needed to seat Burris, and baised on that he would not be seated.
| 809 |
Salem Mon, Jan 5, 2009 10:19:31pm |
re: #802 Shiplord Kirel
The 421st holiest day on the Islamic calendar.
Oh, well that probably doesn't merit a call-in, then.
| 810 |
shanec99 Mon, Jan 5, 2009 10:20:04pm |
re: #796 Salem
Hmmm, tomorrow is some Islamic holiday called Ashurah. Watch out.
I was in Iraq during Ashurah in 06, the beat themselves with whips until they bleed. It is an observation to mark the memory of the beheading of Iman Ali (whose followers became Shiites) by the Caliph (whose followers became Sunni).
It is a lot of noise, whippings and eating... not much more.
| 811 |
realwest Mon, Jan 5, 2009 10:20:12pm |
re: #803 ggt
I thought Reid was from Nevada?
;').
Actually in a bizarre fashion it's the Democratic Party that is the gift that keeps on giving.
Just wish they weren't doing a LOT of that giving with our tax dollars.
| 813 |
shanec99 Mon, Jan 5, 2009 10:22:57pm |
re: #805 Salem
Oh, that's the day they flog themselves, innit?
Yep, they flog themselves until they bleed because one Muslim ordered the death of another.
Iman Ali... the fellow who was beheaded was Mohammed's grand son if I remember correctly.
Strange religion.
| 814 |
realwest Mon, Jan 5, 2009 10:23:08pm |
re: #804 Alberta Oil Peon
Please see my #807. Of course you can like both and since you're a Canadian I'd be surprised if you didn't "lean" towards a Canadian blogger; just don't think you should say that on Charles' Blog.
| 815 |
solomonpanting Mon, Jan 5, 2009 10:23:21pm |
re: #810 shanec99
It is a lot of noise, whippings and eating... not much more.
Like some NFL Sundays?
| 816 |
Alberta Oil Peon Mon, Jan 5, 2009 10:23:29pm |
re: #807 realwest
I said I didn't mind if he voted for some other blog, but to come over here and say so is in poor taste. It's sorta like going to two dinner parties and at the second one telling your host that the first dinner party was better.
RW: we (the unwashed masses) get one vote per day in this bun-fest, at least so I'm given to understand. As it happens, I logged into SDA first, found the link to the voting, and voted for SDA, today. Tomorrow, it's LGF's turn in the barrel. And no, I won't vote for Atlas the next day.
| 817 |
Racer X Mon, Jan 5, 2009 10:23:34pm |
| 818 |
Dustyvet Mon, Jan 5, 2009 10:23:39pm |
Franken Win Certified, but Senate Will Delay Seating
| 819 |
gmsc Mon, Jan 5, 2009 10:23:51pm |
re: #353 Slumbering Behemoth
I am with you. If I may repost my face palm... :facepalm:
My favorite version of that poster is this version.
It is somewhat specifically geared to Next Generation Trek fans, however.
| 820 |
shanec99 Mon, Jan 5, 2009 10:24:10pm |
re: #806 Opilio
I consider myself science-literate, and I get heartburn when the word "nucular" is uttered.
Heh heh... come on stop beating up on Texans.
| 821 |
Gretchen G.Tiger Mon, Jan 5, 2009 10:24:28pm |
re: #808 Dustyvet
Umm, no last thing I read today was that The Secretary of State for the State of Illinois, refused to sign the document needed to seat Burris, and baised on that he would not be seated.
It's not legal if Jesse White, our Sec of State, doesn't sign-off on it. So, techincally he isn't the new junior senator from Illinois.
| 822 |
gmsc Mon, Jan 5, 2009 10:24:37pm |
re: #817 Racer X
ROFLMAO!
The "sentence predictor" is the funniest part - you can almost picture Apple developing that feature.
| 823 |
Syrah Mon, Jan 5, 2009 10:24:37pm |
re: #818 Dustyvet
Franken Win Certified, but Senate Will Delay Seating
heh.
Cheating seems to work for them.
| 824 |
Salem Mon, Jan 5, 2009 10:25:00pm |
re: #810 shanec99
I was in Iraq during Ashurah in 06, the beat themselves with whips until they bleed. It is an observation to mark the memory of the beheading of Iman Ali (whose followers became Shiites) by the Caliph (whose followers became Sunni).
It is a lot of noise, whippings and eating... not much more.
That is reassuring, although there is something about holidays that seems to bring out a powerful bloodlust in some of those folks. They're like drunks that way. "Groundhog Day? This calls for a celebration!"
| 825 |
shanec99 Mon, Jan 5, 2009 10:25:01pm |
| 826 |
Steffan Mon, Jan 5, 2009 10:25:15pm |
Things could get entertaining tomorrow when Congress reconvenes.
Democrats' Factions Could Stall Grand Plans
These times are very different from 1933, when the 73rd Congress enacted 16 major laws during Mr. Roosevelt's First 100 Days. Today's economy, for all its struggles, doesn't remotely resemble the turmoil of the Great Depression, with its 25% unemployment. Also, the public's appetite for broad change isn't yet clear.
None of this is deterring the Democrats. Like the Congress of 76 years ago, they are converging on Washington with a popular new president, significant congressional majorities and, perhaps most important, a shaken public eager for government to try something new.
However.....
What's to stop the Democrats? There are serious obstacles, starting with the party itself, which is hardly unified. Some Democratic congressional factions, like the more-conservative Blue Dogs, are deeply suspicious of expanded federal spending. Democrats from old industrial states worry that colleagues from California want to be too hard on the auto industry. Coal-state Democrats fear the party's environmental wing will go too far with efforts to clamp down on fossil fuels.
Republicans, meanwhile, have made it clear they won't simply accept whatever Democrats propose, unlike in Mr. Roosevelt's day. Senate Republican Leader Mitch McConnell, joined by House Minority Leader John Boehner, recently issued a statement demanding "the consideration of alternative ideas, public congressional hearings and transparency -- not a rushed, partisan take-it-or-leave-it approach."
Here's the real problem:
But even if Democrats get virtually everything they want in the new Congress, it wouldn't amount to a "new New Deal." Instead, historians say the Democrats are really looking to revive and extend the fundamental approach behind Mr. Roosevelt's program, much as President Lyndon Johnson did in 1965 with programs like Medicare and Head Start.
In his book Liberal Fascism, Jonah Goldberg calls the New Deal and the Great Society the second and third "fascist moments" in US history. Nanny-statism, in other words, what Mussolini originally meant when he coined the word "totalitarian." Everything in the state, nothing outside the state, cradle-to-grave control.
We'll have to watch and see.... though the Blago/Burris deal promises to be fun. I have extra popcorn.
| 827 |
Dustyvet Mon, Jan 5, 2009 10:25:43pm |
While Blagojevich has signed formal appointments papers, Jesse White, the Illinois secretary of state, has not, and Senate rules require that signature.
Burris, in turn, has gone to court hoping to win an order for White to sign the necessary paperwork, and has also threatened to sue to take his seat in the Senate
| 828 |
Cheechako Mon, Jan 5, 2009 10:26:06pm |
Check this out with your spell-checker:
Eye have a spelling checker
It came with my Pea Sea
It plane lee marks four my revue
Miss steaks aye can knot sea.
Eye ran this poem threw it,
Your sure reel glad two no.
Its vary polished in it’s weight
My checker tolled me sew.
A checker is a bless sing,
It freeze yew lodes of thyme.
It helps me right awl stiles two read,
And aides me when aye rime.
Each frays comes posed up on my screen
Eye trussed too bee a joule
The checker pours o’er every word
To cheque sum spelling rule.
Be fore a veiling checkers
Hour spelling mite decline,
And it were lacks or have a laps,
We wood be maid to wine.
Butt now bee cause my spelling
Is checked with such grate flare,
There are know faults with in my cite,
Of nun eye am a wear.
Now spelling does knot phase me,
It does knot bring a tier.
My pay purrs awl due glad den
With wrapped words fare as hear.
To rite with care is quite a feet
Of witch won should be proud.
And wee mussed dew the best wee can
Sew flaws are knot aloud.
Sow ewe can sea why aye dew prays
Such soft ware four pea seas,
And why I brake in two averse
By righting want too pleas.
| 829 |
realwest Mon, Jan 5, 2009 10:26:15pm |
re: #808 Dustyvet
Well I read that Reid said Burris' paperwork wasn't completed so he wouldn't seat himp; but yesterday or the day before he said there were good constitutional grounds for not seating him. Regrettably Harry didn't know what they were or at least couldn't explain them.
But the comments by the two black members of the House, about the Plantation, were made today.
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Racer X Mon, Jan 5, 2009 10:26:15pm |
re: #822 gmsc
The "sentence predictor" is the funniest part - you can almost picture Apple developing that feature.
No, the funniest part was the guy saying "I'll buy anything shiny and made by Apple".
LOL!
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stevieray Mon, Jan 5, 2009 10:26:18pm |
re: #822 gmsc
The "sentence predictor" is the funniest part - you can almost picture Apple developing that feature.
"I'll buy anything shiny that comes from Apple!"
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Alberta Oil Peon Mon, Jan 5, 2009 10:27:18pm |
re: #817 Racer X
ROFLMAO!
That is a hoot, especially reading the "menus" that pop up on-screen in the demo.
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Wishing Mon, Jan 5, 2009 10:27:19pm |
re: #821 ggt
It's not legal if Jesse White, our Sec of State, doesn't sign-off on it. So, techincally he isn't the new junior senator from Illinois.
I also heard that the Dems are refusing to seat because White, SoS, won't sign off on it. And so far, White ( a black man, BTW) is refusing to budge.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Mon, Jan 5, 2009 10:28:06pm |
re: #833 Wishing
I also heard that the Dems are refusing to seat because White, SoS, won't sign off on it. And so far, White ( a black man, BTW) is refusing to budge.
As I understand it, Jesse White is a good guy and he doesn't want ANY political connection to Blagohair.
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Dustyvet Mon, Jan 5, 2009 10:28:52pm |
re: #829 realwest
Well I read that Reid said Burris' paperwork wasn't completed so he wouldn't seat himp; but yesterday or the day before he said there were good constitutional grounds for not seating him. Regrettably Harry didn't know what they were or at least couldn't explain them.
But the comments by the two black members of the House, about the Plantation, were made today.
I'm trying to find the item i spoke about, I will say that Burris is tainted period!
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Dustyvet Mon, Jan 5, 2009 10:29:18pm |
re: #834 ggt
As I understand it, Jesse White is a good guy and he doesn't want ANY political connection to Blagohair.
Yup!
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greginseattle Mon, Jan 5, 2009 10:29:44pm |
I would still vote for LGF, but, frankly, it's slipped to 5th or 6th on my favorite blogs list. Charles has every right to do what ever he wants with HIS blog, but all this focus on the evolutions vs. intelligent design really has put me off. The topic simply isn't worth all the attention.
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Opilio Mon, Jan 5, 2009 10:29:50pm |
re: #821 ggt
It's not legal if Jesse White, our Sec of State, doesn't sign-off on it. So, techincally he isn't the new junior senator from Illinois.
The old Maytag repairman is the Illinois Secretary of State !?!
Who knew?
/R.I.P. Jesse White, 1917-1997
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realwest Mon, Jan 5, 2009 10:29:52pm |
re: #827 Dustyvet
Has Jesse White stated why he won't sign the papers? Cause from where I sit, Blago is still the Govenor of Illinois - he hasn't been indicted, arrested or impeached yet and, apparently under relevant law, the Govenor does have the right to appoint somone to take Obama's seat until, I think, 2010.
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Jan 5, 2009 10:30:00pm |
re: #822 gmsc
The "sentence predictor" is the funniest part - you can almost picture Apple developing that feature.
I love the teaser at the end... "The Suduko killer, will kill 2,4 or 9 victims next."
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shanec99 Mon, Jan 5, 2009 10:30:45pm |
re: #824 Salem
That is reassuring, although there is something about holidays that seems to bring out a powerful bloodlust in some of those folks. They're like drunks that way. "Groundhog Day? This calls for a celebration!"
Well the fast, walk down the street and beat themselves, then after sunset they eat like pigs and dance. I didn't see much more, and most of what I saw was on TV and the Iraqi interpreter filled in the spots I could not understand.
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Dustyvet Mon, Jan 5, 2009 10:30:53pm |
re: #838 Opilio
The old Maytag repairman is the Illinois Secretary of State !?!
Who knew?
/R.I.P. Jesse White, 1917-1997
Well another keyboard just bit the dust...
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Wishing Mon, Jan 5, 2009 10:32:03pm |
re: #834 ggt
As I understand it, Jesse White is a good guy and he doesn't want ANY political connection to Blagohair.
He said, The guy just got out of jail, there may be an indictment and we ALL decided that we would not sign off on anyone he appointed.
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Dustyvet Mon, Jan 5, 2009 10:33:36pm |
Rep. Bobby Rush, D-Ill., called the Senate "last bastion of plantation politics," and said blacks had been "excluded systematically for too long."
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Joan Mon, Jan 5, 2009 10:34:39pm |
re: #779 ggt
Or maybe a conservative is someone who applies common sense, believes in cause and effect, respects individual liberty and responsibility, looks for truth, rather than validation.
or not.
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Steffan Mon, Jan 5, 2009 10:35:11pm |
re: #829 realwest
Well I read that Reid said Burris' paperwork wasn't completed so he wouldn't seat himp; but yesterday or the day before he said there were good constitutional grounds for not seating him. Regrettably Harry didn't know what they were or at least couldn't explain them.
But the comments by the two black members of the House, about the Plantation, were made today.
Three words: Adam Clayton Powell. The House tried to bar him; the SCOTUS ruled that they had to seat him. That's the legal precedent Burris is claiming, and he just might be right.
Harry doesn't necessarily have the legal grounds to bar Burris. They can seat him and then expel him, but that vote would be disastrous for the Dems. My advice is to make a lot of popcorn.
| 847 |
alteredbeat Mon, Jan 5, 2009 10:35:17pm |
re: #807 realwest
From a quick scan of the first 100 comments to this thread, half the people are suprised/miffed that LGF was even named a conservative blog and the other half are showing a clear bias against Atlas (small exaggeration). So I thought I'd throw my 2 cents in and say that I did indeed vote for a conservative blog for best conservative blog and it wasn't Atlas.
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Opilio Mon, Jan 5, 2009 10:36:19pm |
re: #837 greginseattle
I would still vote for LGF, but, frankly, it's slipped to 5th or 6th on my favorite blogs list. Charles has every right to do what ever he wants with HIS blog, but all this focus on the evolutions vs. intelligent design really has put me off. The topic simply isn't worth all the attention.
All what focus? All what attention? Maybe every 20th post. Probably less. That means at least 19 out of 20 are about something else.
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Steffan Mon, Jan 5, 2009 10:36:20pm |
re: #844 Dustyvet
Rep. Bobby Rush, D-Ill., called the Senate "last bastion of plantation politics," and said blacks had been "excluded systematically for too long."
He's a former Black Panther. We really can't call him an unbiased observer.
/
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Dustyvet Mon, Jan 5, 2009 10:37:06pm |
re: #839 realwest
Has Jesse White stated why he won't sign the papers? Cause from where I sit, Blago is still the Govenor of Illinois - he hasn't been indicted, arrested or impeached yet and, apparently under relevant law, the Govenor does have the right to appoint somone to take Obama's seat until, I think, 2010.
White has declined to sign the certificate, siding with some Senate Democrats who say Burris should not be seated because of the cloud over Illinois Gov. Rod Blagojevich, who is accused of trying to sell President-elect Barack Obama's Senate seat.
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Racer X Mon, Jan 5, 2009 10:37:21pm |
re: #844 Dustyvet
Rep. Bobby Rush, D-Ill., called the Senate "last bastion of plantation politics," and said blacks had been "excluded systematically for too long."
The dems are going to implode - just watch as they seat Al Franken and reject Burris.
Racism!
| 852 |
realwest Mon, Jan 5, 2009 10:37:53pm |
re: #844 Dustyvet
Yup, that's the guy who made that quote but I read that another Black Congressman was "Upset" that Burris wasn't being seated and said he thought it was cause Burris is Black.
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Dustyvet Mon, Jan 5, 2009 10:38:12pm |
re: #850 Dustyvet
White has declined to sign the certificate, siding with some Senate Democrats who say Burris should not be seated because of the cloud over Illinois Gov. Rod Blagojevich, who is accused of trying to sell President-elect Barack Obama's Senate seat.
Secretary of the Senate Nancy Erickson has rejected Roland Burris' appointment to the Senate, an aide to the secretary told CNN.
Erickson rejected Burris' appointment because his certificate of appointment was missing the signature of Illinois Secretary of State Jesse White, the aide said Monday.
Rule 2 of the Standing Rules of the Senate states that the secretary of state must sign the certificate of election along with the governor.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Mon, Jan 5, 2009 10:38:42pm |
re: #845 Joan
Or maybe a conservative is someone who applies common sense, believes in cause and effect, respects individual liberty and responsibility, looks for truth, rather than validation.
or not.
I like PJ O'Rourke's (IIRC) definition:
"A conservative is someone who has something to conserve."
| 855 |
shanec99 Mon, Jan 5, 2009 10:39:07pm |
Here is what Ashura is according to religion facts... [Link: www.religionfacts.com...]
So avoid mosques, especially Shiite mosques during this period... worshippers starve themsevels, then they cut themselves and beat themselves because Mohammed's grandson had his head cut off by other Muslims. If I had to do that to myself every year... well... good grief.
When Jewish-Muslim relations became strained, however, Muhammad designated Ramadan the Muslim month of fasting, making Ashura a voluntary fast, as it has remained among Sunnis.
Among Shi'ites, however, Ashura is a major festival, the tazia (ta'ziyah). It commemorates the death of Husayn (also spelled Hussein), son of Imam 'Ali and grandson of Muhammad, on the 10th of Muharram, AH 61 (October 10, 680), in Karbala, Iraq. The event led to the split between the Sunni and Shia sects of Islam, and it is of central importance in Shia Islam.
For Shi'a Muslims, rituals and observances on Ashura consist primarily of public expressions of mourning and grief. Some Shi'as express mourning by flagellating themselves on the back with chains, beating their head or ritually cutting themselves. This is intended to connect them with Husayn's suffering and death as an aid to salvation on the Day of Judgment.
| 857 |
realwest Mon, Jan 5, 2009 10:40:11pm |
re: #843 Wishing
Did Jesse White say " we ALL decided" - and if so, who are the others in that "we"?
Do you know?
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GregInSeattle Mon, Jan 5, 2009 10:40:35pm |
All what focus? All what attention? Maybe every 20th post. Probably less. That means at least 19 out of 20 are about something else.
I haven't done a scientific study, but it seems that every time I visit, there's an evolution/ID story in the latest 10 posts. I love the the quick links, however.
| 860 |
Racer X Mon, Jan 5, 2009 10:40:56pm |
re: #852 realwest
Yup, that's the guy who made that quote but I read that another Black Congressman was "Upset" that Burris wasn't being seated and said he thought it was cause Burris is Black.
I think I saw the guy you are thinking of on Fox. Cavuto asked him if Blago's appointee had been white would he still support him? He answered "yes". I just about busted up laughing. The look on his face was clearly "Hell No!".
| 861 |
Wishing Mon, Jan 5, 2009 10:41:40pm |
I am starting to feel sorry for Dems. Hillary had the nomination stolen by obama thugs and their friends, Hillary took it and did NOTHING to cry *Foul!* when her supporters went to bat to try and stop the thievery; they elect Obama who will ascend the throne in the midst of a VERY dark cloud and swirling question marks and Clinton retreads, they elect a Dem Congress and Senate, all of whom seem hell-bent on stopping a black man from taking Obama's senate seat.
Yep, will load up on popcorn.
| 862 |
Dark_Falcon Mon, Jan 5, 2009 10:41:51pm |
re: #844 Dustyvet
Rep. Bobby Rush, D-Ill., called the Senate "last bastion of plantation politics," and said blacks had been "excluded systematically for too long."
Bobby Rush is an ex-Black Panther asshole. He is an inarticulate thug, whose main qualification is his ethnicity. In other words: He's the model of a Chicago politician.
| 863 |
TheMatrix31 Mon, Jan 5, 2009 10:41:53pm |
re: #738 Killian Bundy
Mayor Villaraigosa throws support behind Israel
/pretty gutsy for a California politician
Heard the quote hile listening to Hewitt on the way back from school today, and I said out loud, "That's the first time I've agreed with you, Mayor Raigosa".
What a shock, seriously.
| 864 |
Dustyvet Mon, Jan 5, 2009 10:43:05pm |
re: #851 Racer X
The dems are going to implode - just watch as they seat Al Franken and reject Burris.
Racism!
From what I have been reading, they re not going to seat Frankin either.
| 865 |
Wishing Mon, Jan 5, 2009 10:44:05pm |
re: #857 realwest
Did Jesse White say " we ALL decided" - and if so, who are the others in that "we"?
Do you know?
I dont recall the whole statement, but he mentioned other state officials, and I think also congressional peeps. But I honestly cant say ...I dont think he named names, just positions.
| 866 |
GregInSeattle Mon, Jan 5, 2009 10:44:11pm |
re: #848 Opilio
I just did a count. The 10th post back was about evolution/ID.
| 867 |
Racer X Mon, Jan 5, 2009 10:44:19pm |
Can you imagine the outrage if a Republican governor was in the same situation as Blago? There would be total outrage all over the media. The left would be wetting themselves.
Oh well, at least it pulls attention away from Gov. Richardson.
| 868 |
Killian Bundy Mon, Jan 5, 2009 10:44:33pm |
re: #864 Dustyvet
From what I have been reading, they re not going to seat Frankin either.
/that's because he hasn't been certified yet and won't be until Coleman's election contest is resolved
| 869 |
shanec99 Mon, Jan 5, 2009 10:44:48pm |
re: #858 GregInSeattle
All what focus? All what attention? Maybe every 20th post. Probably less. That means at least 19 out of 20 are about something else.
I haven't done a scientific study, but it seems that every time I visit, there's an evolution/ID story in the latest 10 posts. I love the the quick links, however.
Yeah, it seems that Charles is concerned that we don't allow religious dogma to crowd the space generally reserved for scientific exploration... and he is doing his best to ensure that funding for science education and scientific research is not hampered by religious baggage.
I don't see why his efforts are so bad.
| 870 |
Racer X Mon, Jan 5, 2009 10:45:12pm |
re: #863 TheMatrix31
Heard the quote hile listening to Hewitt on the way back from school today, and I said out loud, "That's the first time I've agreed with you, Mayor Raigosa".
What a shock, seriously.
Agreed.
| 871 |
Alberta Oil Peon Mon, Jan 5, 2009 10:45:12pm |
re: #855 shanec99
"Some Shi'as express mourning by flagellating themselves on the back with chains, beating their head or ritually cutting themselves. This is intended to connect them with Husayn's suffering and death as an aid to salvation on the Day of Judgment."
Too bad they are such wimps about it. If they'd actually self-decapitate, then the sales of my Peonco Chop-a-matic computerized auto-decapititator (with color Webcam) would be a lot better, and I'd be a wealthy Lizard (instead of merely handsome and single).
| 872 |
BlueCanuck Mon, Jan 5, 2009 10:45:58pm |
re: #866 GregInSeattle
Big whoop. And the last one before that was when? They are at most twice a week. I take it you don't like "tech" threads either. Or open ones.
| 873 |
realwest Mon, Jan 5, 2009 10:46:52pm |
re: #818 Dustyvet
Wait a minute! Franken's win was certified (I assume by the Minnesota Secretary of State?) and the Senate STILL won't seat him?
| 874 |
Walter L. Newton Mon, Jan 5, 2009 10:47:53pm |
re: #866 GregInSeattle
I just did a count. The 10th post back was about evolution/ID.
Big shit. 1 in 10 posts are on a subject that you don't like. Well Greg, that's too fucking bad. What fucking nerve, this is Charles' blog, not yours, asshole.
| 875 |
Wishing Mon, Jan 5, 2009 10:48:04pm |
re: #873 realwest
Wait a minute! Franken's win was certified (I assume by the Minnesota Secretary of State?) and the Senate STILL won't seat him?
Al is singing in a real whiny voice, Nobody loves me, everybody hates me...
| 876 |
shanec99 Mon, Jan 5, 2009 10:48:13pm |
re: #871 Alberta Oil Peon
"Some Shi'as express mourning by flagellating themselves on the back with chains, beating their head or ritually cutting themselves. This is intended to connect them with Husayn's suffering and death as an aid to salvation on the Day of Judgment."
Too bad they are such wimps about it. If they'd actually self-decapitate, then the sales of my Peonco Chop-a-matic computerized auto-decapititator (with color Webcam) would be a lot better, and I'd be a wealthy Lizard (instead of merely handsome and single).
Bro, it gets pretty bloody, if you see the TV images of what they do to themseves. They are some pretty extreme worshippers.
| 877 |
GregInSeattle Mon, Jan 5, 2009 10:48:31pm |
Can you imagine the outrage if a Republican governor was in the same situation as Blago?
Man, oh Man. Today, on page A-2 of the Seattle Times, they had a story saying that Palin had held back the arrest of the Mother of her grandchild's father. The story took up about 1/4 of the page! In that same A section, I looked for but did not find any story about the following:
Rangle (D, NY)
Dodd (D, CT)
Frank (D, MA)
Or an investigation of the Minnesota re-count.
My lib friend tells me it all makes sense.
*Sigh*
God Save the Republic.
| 878 |
Racer X Mon, Jan 5, 2009 10:48:36pm |
re: #868 Killian Bundy
/that's because he hasn't been certified yet and won't be until Coleman's election contest is resolved
How the hell did he lose to Al frikkin Franklin?
| 879 |
Killian Bundy Mon, Jan 5, 2009 10:48:42pm |
re: #873 realwest
Wait a minute! Franken's win was certified (I assume by the Minnesota Secretary of State?) and the Senate STILL won't seat him?
They certified the recount.
/the loser still gets seven days to contest the results in court, Coleman will file tomorrow
| 880 |
Wishing Mon, Jan 5, 2009 10:48:53pm |
re: #876 shanec99
Bro, it gets pretty bloody, if you see the TV images of what they do to themseves. They are some pretty extreme death worshippers.
Fixt.
| 881 |
Dustyvet Mon, Jan 5, 2009 10:48:54pm |
re: #873 realwest
Wait a minute! Franken's win was certified (I assume by the Minnesota Secretary of State?) and the Senate STILL won't seat him?
It appears that's what's going to happen.
| 883 |
GregInSeattle Mon, Jan 5, 2009 10:50:34pm |
re: #874 Walter L. Newton
I said that it was his blog up front, troglodyte.
Hero worship isn't good, even of your favorite blogger.
| 884 |
alteredbeat Mon, Jan 5, 2009 10:50:52pm |
re: #872 BlueCanuck
Big whoop. And the last one before that was when? They are at most twice a week. I take it you don't like "tech" threads either. Or open ones.
It's true, the evolution threads are easy to ignore, along with the tech threads, and the You tube music vid threads, and the "VB is teh fascist!1" threads. That's a lot of ignoring though, which pretty much explains why American Thinker got my vote this year. :-)
| 885 |
Alberta Oil Peon Mon, Jan 5, 2009 10:50:54pm |
re: #876 shanec99
Bro, it gets pretty bloody, if you see the TV images of what they do to themseves. They are some pretty extreme worshippers.
I have seen pictures, shane; posted right here, as a matter of fact. What can a guy do, but respond with some gallows humor? That shit is quite beyond the bounds of civilized behavior.
| 886 |
Dustyvet Mon, Jan 5, 2009 10:52:03pm |
re: #882 esch
Yep. They're cowards. I love it.
Franken certified winner of Minn. Senate race; Coleman plans challenge
| 887 |
realwest Mon, Jan 5, 2009 10:52:47pm |
re: #861 Wishing
Well frankly I don't feel sorry for the Dems, anymore that I feel sorry for Paxico Burris - the star wide receiver for the NY Giants - who shot himself in the thigh. And for the same reason: the Dems have shot themselves.
And I think that's because the Dem's are now the far Left wing of this country - just wait until the govenors of I don't know how many states come to Washington to "bail them out" of their budget deficits and the UAW says "Hey, no fair we were here first!"
| 888 |
Wishing Mon, Jan 5, 2009 10:54:33pm |
re: #887 realwest
Well frankly I don't feel sorry for the Dems, anymore that I feel sorry for Paxico Burris - the star wide receiver for the NY Giants - who shot himself in the thigh. And for the same reason: the Dems have shot themselves.
And I think that's because the Dem's are now the far Left wing of this country - just wait until the govenors of I don't know how many states come to Washington to "bail them out" of their budget deficits and the UAW says "Hey, no fair we were here first!"
Blue collar/white collar wars? In DC?
Buying stock in Orville Reddenbacher.
| 890 |
Wishing Mon, Jan 5, 2009 10:56:16pm |
Pepsico Burris? Isnt he the guy they named to replace the Zero?
oops...no, that was Jesse James Burris. Sorry.
| 891 |
shanec99 Mon, Jan 5, 2009 10:56:24pm |
re: #885 Alberta Oil Peon
I have seen pictures, shane; posted right here, as a matter of fact. What can a guy do, but respond with some gallows humor? That shit is quite beyond the bounds of civilized behavior.
This is a religion whose most esteemed prophet:
when he was in his 40s slept with a nine year old,
whose grandson had his head decapitated by his followers,
that celebrates by cutting and beating themselves until they are bloody.
And we are surprised when they strap bombs to kids and send them to kill other kids, or fly planes into buildings.
Why are we surprised?
| 893 |
FurryOldGuyJeans Mon, Jan 5, 2009 10:57:01pm |
re: #878 Racer X
How the hell did he lose to Al frikkin Franklin?
Multiple recounts done with selectively chosen ballots; the same tactics that won Governor Gregoire of WA her seat in 2004.
| 894 |
Killian Bundy Mon, Jan 5, 2009 10:57:02pm |
re: #886 Dustyvet
Franken certified winner of Minn.
Senate racerecount; Coleman plans challenge
Fixed that for ya.
/he doesn't become a Senator until Pawlenty issues the final certification, which won't be until all the legal challenges are over
| 895 |
Wishing Mon, Jan 5, 2009 10:57:36pm |
re: #894 Killian Bundy
Fixed that for ya.
/he doesn't become a Senator until Pawlenty issues the final certification, which won't be until all the legal challenges are over
WHEW.
| 896 |
Wishing Mon, Jan 5, 2009 10:58:28pm |
| 897 |
realwest Mon, Jan 5, 2009 10:58:37pm |
re: #867 Racer X
Yeah, can you imagine how pissed off at Richardson Obama must be right about now?! LOL!
Not to mention whomever Obama had "vetting" Richardson!
| 898 |
FurryOldGuyJeans Mon, Jan 5, 2009 10:59:06pm |
re: #886 Dustyvet
Franken certified winner of Minn. Senate race; Coleman plans challenge
Good luck, it didn't work for Dino Rossi in 2004.
| 899 |
Dustyvet Mon, Jan 5, 2009 10:59:51pm |
| 900 |
Alberta Oil Peon Mon, Jan 5, 2009 10:59:54pm |
re: #891 shanec99
This is a religion whose most esteemed prophet:
when he was in his 40s slept with a nine year old,
whose grandson had his head decapitated by his followers,
that celebrates by cutting and beating themselves until they are bloody.And we are surprised when they strap bombs to kids and send them to kill other kids, or fly planes into buildings.
Why are we surprised?
The only thing that surprises, and saddens me, is that we in the West are so damn slow to see the obvious. (present company excepted)
| 901 |
Salamantis Mon, Jan 5, 2009 10:59:56pm |
re: #837 greginseattle
I would still vote for LGF, but, frankly, it's slipped to 5th or 6th on my favorite blogs list. Charles has every right to do what ever he wants with HIS blog, but all this focus on the evolutions vs. intelligent design really has put me off. The topic simply isn't worth all the attention.
The ongoing attempt by some sectarians to legislate the forced indoctrination of other peoples' children in their pet religious dogmas is eminently worth all the attention that Charles has focused on it.
| 902 |
traderjoe9 Mon, Jan 5, 2009 11:00:20pm |
[Link: www.jpost.com...]
Hamas has set up an independent hospital in the Gaza Strip to treat its operatives wounded in fighting with the IDF - and, according to Israeli estimates, it is pilfering a significant portion of the medicine allowed into the strip, senior defense officials told The Jerusalem Post on Monday.
| 903 |
Wishing Mon, Jan 5, 2009 11:00:42pm |
re: #898 FurryOldGuyJeans
Good luck, it didn't work for Dino Rossi in 2004.
I think there were a large number of absentee votes that were *disallowed* and never counted at all that Coleman plans to have brought to the court to see if he can get them counted for the first time.
| 904 |
FurryOldGuyJeans Mon, Jan 5, 2009 11:00:58pm |
re: #897 realwest
Yeah, can you imagine how pissed off at Richardson Obama must be right about now?! LOL!
Not to mention whomever Obama had "vetting" Richardson!
So far Our Messiah-King has had a lot of scandals erupt, even before He is anointed and crowned. I think we are in for a wild ride after 20 January if skeletons keep being disgorged from His closet. ;)
| 905 |
NY Nana Mon, Jan 5, 2009 11:01:24pm |
Drive by post...tonight I may make history!
Off to sleep. Honest!
Sweet dreams, lizards. G'nite, all!
| 906 |
FurryOldGuyJeans Mon, Jan 5, 2009 11:02:20pm |
re: #899 Dustyvet
It's not my idea...
I wasn't addressing you directly, just making a comment that futility could be near at hand. ;)
| 907 |
Wishing Mon, Jan 5, 2009 11:02:24pm |
re: #905 NY Nana
Drive by post...tonight I may make history!
Off to sleep. Honest!
Sweet dreams, lizards. G'nite, all!
um, I dare not ask....but is it a Guiness record?
| 908 |
realwest Mon, Jan 5, 2009 11:02:58pm |
re: #862 Dark_Falcon
"whose main qualification is his ethnicity. In other words: He's the model of a Chicago politician."
Hmmm, who have I heard the same thing said about recently - around November 4th or 5th I think it was.
Darnit, bad memeory!
/
| 909 |
Alberta Oil Peon Mon, Jan 5, 2009 11:03:40pm |
re: #904 FurryOldGuyJeans
So far Our Messiah-King has had a lot of scandals erupt, even before He is anointed and crowned. I think we are in for a wild ride after 20 January if skeletons keep being disgorged from His closet. ;)
Wouldn't you love to see a Cox and Forkum cartoon, with skeletons pouring out from the O's closet, through a turnstile, with a bored Secret Service agent saying, "next, next, next..."?
| 910 |
BlueCanuck Mon, Jan 5, 2009 11:03:56pm |
re: #905 NY Nana
Good night NY Nana, weet dreams.
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Dustyvet Mon, Jan 5, 2009 11:03:58pm |
re: #906 FurryOldGuyJeans
I wasn't addressing you directly, just making a comment that futility could be near at hand. ;)
Oh, I was about too throw my self on my sword...:)
| 912 |
FurryOldGuyJeans Mon, Jan 5, 2009 11:04:01pm |
re: #903 Wishing
I think there were a large number of absentee votes that were *disallowed* and never counted at all that Coleman plans to have brought to the court to see if he can get them counted for the first time.
Same crap that got Governor Gregoire her seat in 2004. Gotta love the new(?) "count and recount until you pull a victory out of your ass" meme the Dems are heavily steeped in.
| 913 |
Sharmuta Mon, Jan 5, 2009 11:04:49pm |
re: #837 greginseattle
The topic simply isn't worth all the attention.
Defending our Constitution is always worth it.
| 914 |
FurryOldGuyJeans Mon, Jan 5, 2009 11:04:59pm |
re: #911 Dustyvet
Oh, I was about too throw my self on my sword...:)
I can make sure it is sharp if you still intend to do so. ;)
| 915 |
Wishing Mon, Jan 5, 2009 11:05:01pm |
re: #912 FurryOldGuyJeans
Same crap that got Governor Gregoire her seat in 2004. Gotta love the new(?) "count and recount until you pull a victory out of your ass" meme the Dems are heavily steeped in.
I am hoping Colleman wont quit on this...hope he is a terrier and not a cur.
| 916 |
FurryOldGuyJeans Mon, Jan 5, 2009 11:05:53pm |
re: #909 Alberta Oil Peon
Wouldn't you love to see a Cox and Forkum cartoon, with skeletons pouring out from the O's closet, through a turnstile, with a bored Secret Service agent saying, "next, next, next..."?
*SIGH* Cox and Forkum....good times, so long in the past. :(
| 917 |
ArchangelMichael Mon, Jan 5, 2009 11:06:22pm |
I just checked the numbers and LGF is now ahead of Atlas Shrugs. 778 to 654. Hopefully it stays like that so we can throw some votes to Bill Whittle as well.
| 918 |
TheMatrix31 Mon, Jan 5, 2009 11:06:42pm |
Wow, I have to say, the Queen of Jordan is gorgeous!
[Link: images.google.com...]
| 919 |
Wishing Mon, Jan 5, 2009 11:07:23pm |
For any ladies present who mysteriously lose socks...
For Fun.
| 920 |
FurryOldGuyJeans Mon, Jan 5, 2009 11:07:45pm |
re: #915 Wishing
I am hoping Colleman wont quit on this...hope he is a terrier and not a cur.
I certainly hope he doesn't pull a McCain.
| 921 |
GregInSeattle Mon, Jan 5, 2009 11:08:52pm |
The ongoing attempt by some sectarians to legislate the forced indoctrination of other peoples' children in their pet religious dogmas is eminently worth all the attention that Charles has focused on it.
IF any state said you could only teach creationism and/or I.D. in public schools, I'd be concerned. Have any? Are any even close?
| 922 |
Alberta Oil Peon Mon, Jan 5, 2009 11:08:58pm |
re: #916 FurryOldGuyJeans
*SIGH* Cox and Forkum....good times, so long in the past. :(
I hope they can find a way to get back together as a team. The next 4 years will be a target-rich environment for them.
| 923 |
FurryOldGuyJeans Mon, Jan 5, 2009 11:08:59pm |
re: #913 Sharmuta
Defending our Constitution is always worth it.
Some people just don't want the hassle of being in the fight, apparently.
| 925 |
GregInSeattle Mon, Jan 5, 2009 11:10:28pm |
Defending our Constitution is always worth it.
Are you one of those that want to ban President-elect Obama from saying "So help me God"?
| 926 |
FurryOldGuyJeans Mon, Jan 5, 2009 11:10:48pm |
re: #921 GregInSeattle
The ongoing attempt by some sectarians to legislate the forced indoctrination of other peoples' children in their pet religious dogmas is eminently worth all the attention that Charles has focused on it.
IF any state said you could only teach creationism and/or I.D. in public schools, I'd be concerned. Have any? Are any even close?
People on 9/10 weren't concerned about terrorism; time to wait for the barbarians to get to the gate is long past.
| 927 |
FurryOldGuyJeans Mon, Jan 5, 2009 11:11:52pm |
re: #925 GregInSeattle
Defending our Constitution is always worth it.
Are you one of those that want to ban President-elect Obama from saying "So help me God"?
You haven't a clue about Sharm, apparently, if you try to throw shit like that around.
| 928 |
Karridine Mon, Jan 5, 2009 11:12:17pm |
re: #917 ArchangelMichael
I just checked the numbers and LGF is now ahead of Atlas Shrugs. 778 to 654. Hopefully it stays like that so we can throw some votes to Bill Whittle as well.
I thought about Bill, and his website, and he creates occasional masterworks, deeply moving essays, that are anti-idiotarian and somewhat 'Conservative', but that just isn't enough to make his BLOG a frequented crossroads of dialogue, discussion, assertion and defense and clear argumentation that goes on at, say, LGF or Ace or Michelle's or Baldilock's...
| 929 |
realwest Mon, Jan 5, 2009 11:12:32pm |
re: #912 FurryOldGuyJeans
Well it does show why the Dem's are SO against Voter Photo ID cards.*
I'll bet that if all the students in Minnesota who voted for Franken by absentee ballot (cause they went to Mom and Dad's State to vote) were disallowed, Coleman would have won by at least a few thousand votes.
That's partly why I said the Dem Party has now become the Far Left party in this country.
*notice, please, I said Voter Photo ID cards; but that's just to thwart the double voting at college and at home by college students; hell I'd settle for Driver's License Photo ID's, and someway to verify the residence address for voting purposes, of those casting Absentee ballots.
| 930 |
GregInSeattle Mon, Jan 5, 2009 11:12:33pm |
People on 9/10 weren't concerned about terrorism; time to wait for the barbarians to get to the gate is long past.
We were a lot more religious country in the 1800s. They even taught the bible in the public schools. Somehow, some way, by some miracle, the Republic survived.
| 931 |
coquimbojoe Mon, Jan 5, 2009 11:13:42pm |
re: #913 Sharmuta
Defending our Constitution is always worth it.
Shar, I love the speed with which you changed your little write up.....
| 932 |
Sharmuta Mon, Jan 5, 2009 11:13:54pm |
re: #925 GregInSeattle
Defending our Constitution is always worth it.
Are you one of those that want to ban President-elect Obama from saying "So help me God"?
No. Are you one of those that uses logical fallacies for arguments?
| 933 |
GregInSeattle Mon, Jan 5, 2009 11:14:14pm |
However, I kinda wonder if the Republic will survive the latest onslaught of the socialists, atheists & appeasers.
| 934 |
Karridine Mon, Jan 5, 2009 11:14:26pm |
re: #921 GregInSeattle
So the terms concepts "thin-entering wedge" and "establishing a beach-head" and "foot in the door" simply have NO MEANING to you, or in any case no NEGATIVE meaning, Greg?
| 935 |
GregInSeattle Mon, Jan 5, 2009 11:14:42pm |
re: #932 Sharmuta
Good. You may be fairly reasonable after all.
| 936 |
FurryOldGuyJeans Mon, Jan 5, 2009 11:14:52pm |
re: #930 GregInSeattle
Are your eyes naturally brown, or what?
| 937 |
Sharmuta Mon, Jan 5, 2009 11:15:09pm |
re: #933 GregInSeattle
However, I kinda wonder if the Republic will survive the latest onslaught of the socialists, atheists & appeasers.
Why should it? Who will defend it when they can't see the enemies on all sides?
| 938 |
Salamantis Mon, Jan 5, 2009 11:15:15pm |
re: #921 GregInSeattle
The ongoing attempt by some sectarians to legislate the forced indoctrination of other peoples' children in their pet religious dogmas is eminently worth all the attention that Charles has focused on it.
IF any state said you could only teach creationism and/or I.D. in public schools, I'd be concerned. Have any? Are any even close?
Many different states, including Pennsylvania, Florida, Kansas, Louisiana, and Texas, have been the targets of Disco Dewde shills pushing to unconstitutionally force the unscientific dogmas of Creationism or its camo bastard stepchild ID to be taught in public high school science classes. This should be of great concern for all US citizens who want genuine science, and only genuine science, to be taught in public high school science classes in America.
Obviously, this is a desire that you do not share.
| 939 |
BlueCanuck Mon, Jan 5, 2009 11:15:31pm |
re: #930 GregInSeattle
Well, I see some one thought their Karma was a little too high for their liking. Charles blog isn't just about showing what the islamists are like. It's about all sorts of attacks against our freedoms. People trying to subvert all sorts of areas are of important interest to all of us. And that's what Charles does. He's not called an anti-idiotarian for nothing you know.
| 940 |
GregInSeattle Mon, Jan 5, 2009 11:15:36pm |
re: #934 Karridine
Read history. We're become a lot more secular, and a lot less religious. No worries for you.
| 941 |
FurryOldGuyJeans Mon, Jan 5, 2009 11:15:42pm |
| 942 |
coquimbojoe Mon, Jan 5, 2009 11:16:11pm |
re: #935 GregInSeattle
Good. You may be fairly reasonable after all.
Wow. That was silly of you. Shar is reasonable in anything.
| 943 |
ArchangelMichael Mon, Jan 5, 2009 11:17:21pm |
re: #928 Karridine
I thought about Bill, and his website, and he creates occasional masterworks, deeply moving essays, that are anti-idiotarian and somewhat 'Conservative', but that just isn't enough to make his BLOG a frequented crossroads of dialogue, discussion, assertion and defense and clear argumentation that goes on at, say, LGF or Ace or Michelle's or Baldilock's...
What you say is true. His site is not really a blog and perhaps should not be in the running at all. That being said... it really bothers me that someone of his caliber and intellectual honesty is behind neo-fascists and nirth certifikit troofer douchebags at all, regardless of context. But that's just my opinion.
| 944 |
realwest Mon, Jan 5, 2009 11:18:02pm |
re: #930 GregInSeattle
In the 1800's - well, up to 1865, we allowed that slavery was legal, too. What's your point? Things were better in the 1800's cause we taught religion in the public schools?
| 945 |
FurryOldGuyJeans Mon, Jan 5, 2009 11:18:18pm |
re: #942 coquimbojoe
Wow. That was silly of you. Shar is reasonable in anything.
He hasn't clue one about what really goes on here, obviously. He just wants to rant about the Secular and EEEEVILLLLLLLL Darwinists.
| 947 |
BlueCanuck Mon, Jan 5, 2009 11:18:35pm |
re: #940 GregInSeattle
Read history. We're become a lot more secular, and a lot less religious. No worries for you.
Um, it's not about religion. It's about all sorts of things. Most of the people commenting on this here blog have as many view points as the real world. From neo-paganism all the way to atheism. Believe it or not most of them think that religion doesn't belong in the science class.
| 949 |
Alberta Oil Peon Mon, Jan 5, 2009 11:19:12pm |
re: #933 GregInSeattle
However, I kinda wonder if the Republic will survive the latest onslaught of the socialists, atheists & appeasers.
And your big mistake is lumping all atheists into the Left, despite the fact that many true Freethinkers find themselves on the Right, because that is where logic takes them.
And the Left is full of Believers, because if you Believe without thinking, you will believe in anything.
| 950 |
Salamantis Mon, Jan 5, 2009 11:19:45pm |
re: #925 GregInSeattle
Defending our Constitution is always worth it.
Are you one of those that want to ban President-elect Obama from saying "So help me God"?
WTF does that have to do with the ongoing attempt by the Disco Dewdes to force religious indoctrination in their pet unscientific dogmas on other peoples' kids in public high school science classes?
Creationist acolytes; always trying to follow the Disco Dewde Wedge Document instruction to divert the discussion from the presence vs. the absence of empirical evidence to Bad Old Atheists vs. Good Old God.
And I do note that your nick indicates you live in Seattle, the home city of the Disco Dewdes' national office. Coincidence? I wonder; I doubt...
| 951 |
Karridine Mon, Jan 5, 2009 11:20:31pm |
re: #947 BlueCanuck
Do you REALLY think Greg wants to be confused with facts, Blue? Or is his mind already made up?
| 952 |
GregInSeattle Mon, Jan 5, 2009 11:21:18pm |
It's about all sorts of attacks against our freedoms.
OK, here's my position: Teach science in science class. If someone asks about creationism/ID in biology, tell them that many people believe that, but that doesn't fall into the scientific realm, and this is a science class.
I hardly think mentioning creationism/ID constitutes an attack on any sort of freedom. You don't have the freedom to not be offended.
| 953 |
FurryOldGuyJeans Mon, Jan 5, 2009 11:21:26pm |
re: #932 Sharmuta
No. Are you one of those that uses logical fallacies for arguments?
His profile says he is in Seattle, the same city the DI chose as their HQ.
Coincidence? ;)
| 954 |
GregInSeattle Mon, Jan 5, 2009 11:21:37pm |
re: #941 FurryOldGuyJeans
From you, that is a high compliment.
| 955 |
realwest Mon, Jan 5, 2009 11:21:38pm |
re: #938 Salamantis
Good post Sal, but I go even farther than that: I don't think religion should be taught in public schools AT ALL.
| 956 |
coquimbojoe Mon, Jan 5, 2009 11:21:55pm |
re: #945 FurryOldGuyJeans
He hasn't clue one about what really goes on here, obviously. He just wants to rant about the Secular and EEEEVILLLLLLLL Darwinists.
He doesn't seem to understand that many of us are very religious. I happen to believe that all truth comes from God. Facts seem to bear out evolution. In my way of thinking, God designed it as such. Am I a Darwinist? I don't know. Lately I've come to think Wallace might have made a better case....
| 957 |
Salamantis Mon, Jan 5, 2009 11:22:05pm |
re: #930 GregInSeattle
People on 9/10 weren't concerned about terrorism; time to wait for the barbarians to get to the gate is long past.
We were a lot more religious country in the 1800s. They even taught the bible in the public schools. Somehow, some way, by some miracle, the Republic survived.
But we were actually much less Biblical Literalist Fundamentalist; that movement caught on in the early part of the 20th century.
| 958 |
GregInSeattle Mon, Jan 5, 2009 11:22:48pm |
re: #944 realwest
I was simply stating the country is becoming less religious. That was my point.
| 959 |
Sharmuta Mon, Jan 5, 2009 11:22:54pm |
re: #949 Alberta Oil Peon
And your big mistake is lumping all atheists into the Left, despite the fact that many true Freethinkers find themselves on the Right, because that is where logic takes them.
And the Left is full of Believers, because if you Believe without thinking, you will believe in anything.
It seems it's difficult for some to grasp that conservatism does not equal fundamentalist Christian.
| 960 |
Alberta Oil Peon Mon, Jan 5, 2009 11:23:06pm |
re: #951 Karridine
Do you REALLY think Greg wants to be confused with facts, Blue? Or is his mind already made up?
Ironic, ain't it, Karridine, that Greg bemoans the time "wasted" on I.D. threads, and yet this thread is evolving into one, courtesy of his trolling?
| 961 |
FurryOldGuyJeans Mon, Jan 5, 2009 11:23:28pm |
re: #954 GregInSeattle
I'm glad I could puff up one so devoid.
| 962 |
FlagPony Mon, Jan 5, 2009 11:23:58pm |
breaking news flash............ after hearing about the heated debate in this thread .... an old friend has a question for all of us here
| 963 |
Salamantis Mon, Jan 5, 2009 11:24:42pm |
re: #933 GregInSeattle
However, I kinda wonder if the Republic will survive the latest onslaught of the socialists, atheists & appeasers.
Calling those who accept the vast and massive reams of evidence proffered by empirical science nasty names is the defining mark of argumentatively paraplegic creationists (not a logical leg to stand on).
| 964 |
Sharmuta Mon, Jan 5, 2009 11:24:43pm |
re: #952 GregInSeattle
I hardly think mentioning creationism/ID constitutes an attack on any sort of freedom. You don't have the freedom to not be offended.
Then you have not been paying attention.
| 965 |
FurryOldGuyJeans Mon, Jan 5, 2009 11:25:20pm |
re: #960 Alberta Oil Peon
Ironic, ain't it, Karridine, that Greg bemoans the time "wasted" on I.D. threads, and yet this thread is evolving into one, courtesy of his trolling?
Trolls always love to hijack threads to feed their insatiable appetite for chaos.
| 966 |
Karridine Mon, Jan 5, 2009 11:25:25pm |
re: #960 Alberta Oil Peon
O Irony, thy name is Greg...
/a real grin, contemplating THAT irony, Oil... :D
| 967 |
Wishing Mon, Jan 5, 2009 11:25:42pm |
We have a broad constitution and it takes all of us being alert to all the dangers lurking out there: ID is one of the dangers. I will agree that it SEEMS to be a small threat, based on the history of the US, but it is a threat and at least we know of one party (LGF) that is paying it due diligence.
The beauty of the blogosphere is that due diligence is paid on a myriad of subjects and threats.
| 968 |
FurryOldGuyJeans Mon, Jan 5, 2009 11:26:03pm |
| 969 |
shanec99 Mon, Jan 5, 2009 11:26:53pm |
Gotta go guys... this is getting too heavy...
Gotta go work out.
| 970 |
Erik The Red Mon, Jan 5, 2009 11:27:00pm |
re: #884 alteredbeat
It's true, the evolution threads are easy to ignore, along with the tech threads, and the You tube music vid threads, and the "VB is teh fascist!1" threads. That's a lot of ignoring though, which pretty much explains why American Thinker got my vote this year. :-)
If you don't like the content of LGF why do you bother to visit here?
| 971 |
realwest Mon, Jan 5, 2009 11:27:23pm |
Well all y'all I gotta go to sleep - possibly a very big day for me tomorrow - ah, later today!
I hope you all have a GREAT EVENING/EARLY MORNING and that I get the chance to see you all down the road.
| 972 |
Wishing Mon, Jan 5, 2009 11:28:02pm |
re: #971 realwest
Well all y'all I gotta go to sleep - possibly a very big day for me tomorrow - ah, later today!
I hope you all have a GREAT EVENING/EARLY MORNING and that I get the chance to see you all down the road.
Sleep well, friend! Good luck tomorrow!
| 973 |
Dustyvet Mon, Jan 5, 2009 11:28:05pm |
re: #971 realwest
Well all y'all I gotta go to sleep - possibly a very big day for me tomorrow - ah, later today!
I hope you all have a GREAT EVENING/EARLY MORNING and that I get the chance to see you all down the road.
Nighters west...
| 974 |
GregInSeattle Mon, Jan 5, 2009 11:28:26pm |
re: #963 Salamantis
Who did I call a nasty name? I called the one guy a troglodyte since he hurled profanity at me.
| 975 |
Alberta Oil Peon Mon, Jan 5, 2009 11:29:10pm |
re: #969 shanec99
Gotta go guys... this is getting too heavy...
Gotta go work out.
See you, Shane. Take care. Go easy on the 12-oz. one-handed curls. I've got them covered. ;>)
| 976 |
Salamantis Mon, Jan 5, 2009 11:29:38pm |
re: #940 GregInSeattle
Read history. We're become a lot more secular, and a lot less religious. No worries for you.
Is your definition of 'more secular' the fact that the dogma that God created the Universe, the Earth, and every one of millions of existent and extinct species independently and as is in the space of six days a few thousand years ago is not being taught in public high school classes as authentic empirical science?
| 977 |
coquimbojoe Mon, Jan 5, 2009 11:29:55pm |
re: #975 Alberta Oil Peon
See you, Shane. Take care. Go easy on the 12-oz. one-handed curls. I've got them covered. ;>)
Interesting fact: They get lighter every time you lift them.
| 978 |
Outrider Mon, Jan 5, 2009 11:30:01pm |
re: #846 Steffan
Three words: Adam Clayton Powell. The House tried to bar him; the SCOTUS ruled that they had to seat him. That's the legal precedent Burris is claiming, and he just might be right.
Harry doesn't necessarily have the legal grounds to bar Burris. They can seat him and then expel him, but that vote would be disastrous for the Dems. My advice is to make a lot of popcorn.
and we all know how the Adam Clayton Powell thing worked out. ;-)>
| 979 |
Sharmuta Mon, Jan 5, 2009 11:30:41pm |
I don't believe in troglodytes. Adam and Eve never lived in a cave! /////////
| 980 |
BlueCanuck Mon, Jan 5, 2009 11:30:59pm |
Night realwest. Hope your day goes well. Weet dreams.
| 981 |
Alberta Oil Peon Mon, Jan 5, 2009 11:31:33pm |
re: #977 coquimbojoe
Interesting fact: They get lighter every time you lift them.
That's just subjective, caused by your arm muscles getting progressively stronger. LOL.
| 982 |
Dustyvet Mon, Jan 5, 2009 11:31:57pm |
Weet dreams all, my computers giving me fits....
| 983 |
FurryOldGuyJeans Mon, Jan 5, 2009 11:32:02pm |
re: #979 Sharmuta
I don't believe in troglodytes. Adam and Eve never lived in a cave! /////////
Well, I do tend to have my knuckles drag a lot, so.... ;)
| 984 |
GregInSeattle Mon, Jan 5, 2009 11:32:17pm |
Well, I was inadvertently a troll. It all started when that one guy hurled the "f" word at me. It's hard work keeping up when you're blog-swarmed.
For the record, before I go:
1) I'm a Christian
2) I believe God used evolution
3) I believe only teaching science in science classes (I have a BSCE)
4) I believe you can MENTION creationism/ID in science class, but only to dismiss it
5) Some of y'all ain't so sweet, and give no benefit of the doubt.
| 985 |
Wishing Mon, Jan 5, 2009 11:32:19pm |
| 986 |
Dustyvet Mon, Jan 5, 2009 11:33:03pm |
| 987 |
BlueCanuck Mon, Jan 5, 2009 11:33:27pm |
| 988 |
Opilio Mon, Jan 5, 2009 11:33:41pm |
re: #979 Sharmuta
I don't believe in troglodytes. Adam and Eve never lived in a cave! /////////
How 'bout trilobites? I believe in trilobites.
| 989 |
Dustyvet Mon, Jan 5, 2009 11:33:57pm |
| 990 |
Wishing Mon, Jan 5, 2009 11:34:00pm |
re: #986 Dustyvet
Nope it keeps locking up
Sorry, I forgot the / tag.
Reboot in the am, a good night's sleep will do you both some good!
| 991 |
Alberta Oil Peon Mon, Jan 5, 2009 11:34:45pm |
re: #984 GregInSeattle
Well, I was inadvertently a troll. It all started when that one guy hurled the "f" word at me. It's hard work keeping up when you're blog-swarmed.
For the record, before I go:
1) I'm a Christian
2) I believe God used evolution
3) I believe only teaching science in science classes (I have a BSCE)
4) I believe you can MENTION creationism/ID in science class, but only to dismiss it
5) Some of y'all ain't so sweet, and give no benefit of the doubt.
For the record, Greg, I can't take issue with you on any of those, except perhaps #5 came about by you coming on too strong and too confrontational.
| 992 |
FurryOldGuyJeans Mon, Jan 5, 2009 11:35:11pm |
re: #984 GregInSeattle
Life is rough; you don't get do-overs.
Your recitation doesn't mean diddly here if you don't speak facts.
| 993 |
Wishing Mon, Jan 5, 2009 11:35:27pm |
I am tucking my Toshiba in as well.
Greg, please dont stay away because of this scuff-up. We can be a wee bit sensitive here about the ID issue, but no one means to be mean-spirited about it.
| 994 |
Dom Mon, Jan 5, 2009 11:35:51pm |
No hesitation voting for LGF. Can't say Charles is 100% where I'm at (slightly diverging musical tastes; a few political differences) but for his steady line against extremists be they anti-intellectual creationists, his incredible technical skills that make LGF not just user-friendly but thoroughly interactive, his staunch support of Israel, his staunch support of Western liberal democratic capitalism, his tireless stand against the global jihad, his brave stand against the far right and the far left, and for assembling this immense like-minded community, there is nobody like him and nowhere like LGF.
| 995 |
Salamantis Mon, Jan 5, 2009 11:36:00pm |
re: #952 GregInSeattle
It's about all sorts of attacks against our freedoms.
OK, here's my position: Teach science in science class. If someone asks about creationism/ID in biology, tell them that many people believe that, but that doesn't fall into the scientific realm, and this is a science class.
I hardly think mentioning creationism/ID constitutes an attack on any sort of freedom. You don't have the freedom to not be offended.
Don't forget to remind them that empirical facts are not subject to popularity contests, or else the Earth was once a flat disc circled by the sun, only morphing into a sun-circling sphere when opinions on the matter changed. And that reams of empirical evidence supports evolutionary theory, while not a single shred of empirical evidence supports creationism.
Why aren't astrology or alchemy addressed in public high school science classes either? For the same reason that creationism shouldn't be addressed: they're not science.
| 997 |
Wishing Mon, Jan 5, 2009 11:36:38pm |
re: #994 Dom
No hesitation voting for LGF. Can't say Charles is 100% where I'm at (slightly diverging musical tastes; a few political differences) but for his steady line against extremists be they anti-intellectual creationists, his incredible technical skills that make LGF not just user-friendly but thoroughly interactive, his staunch support of Israel, his staunch support of Western liberal democratic capitalism, his tireless stand against the global jihad, his brave stand against the far right and the far left, and for assembling this immense like-minded community, there is nobody like him and nowhere like LGF.
Ding Ding Ding
LARGE rotating Title!
| 999 |
FurryOldGuyJeans Mon, Jan 5, 2009 11:37:59pm |
re: #995 Salamantis
Don't forget to remind them that empirical facts are not subject to popularity contests, or else the Earth was once a flat disc circled by the sun, only morphing into a sun-circling sphere when opinions on the matter changed. And that reams of empirical evidence supports evolutionary theory, while not a single shred of empirical evidence supports creationism.
Why aren't astrology or alchemy addressed in public high school science classes either? For the same reason that creationism shouldn't be addressed: they're not science.
Empirical facts not subject to popularity contests?!? You sure got the Holy Profit of AGW mad at ya now! ;)
| 1000 |
Sharmuta Mon, Jan 5, 2009 11:38:18pm |
re: #984 GregInSeattle
You were the one who didn't see the issue as important. For those of us that do- yes, we're going to speak up as to why we feel that way. It's unfortunate that you don't see the un-American agenda the DI is pushing, but you'll forgive the rest of us that do see the importance.
You speak of history- well... history is littered with people who didn't take threats seriously until it was too late, so I think I'll learn from them and speak out when threats rear their ugly head.
| 1001 |
Salamantis Mon, Jan 5, 2009 11:38:34pm |
re: #958 GregInSeattle
I was simply stating the country is becoming less religious. That was my point.
The US is by far the most religious country in the industrialized world.
| 1002 |
Wishing Mon, Jan 5, 2009 11:38:53pm |
| 1003 |
ArchangelMichael Mon, Jan 5, 2009 11:38:55pm |
re: #979 Sharmuta
I don't believe in troglodytes. Adam and Eve never lived in a cave! /////////
Troglytes? Of course Adam and Eve did not mine for Zenite on Ardana.
/star trek geek off
| 1004 |
Wishing Mon, Jan 5, 2009 11:39:51pm |
re: #1001 Salamantis
The US is by far the most religious country in the industrialized world.
And the most advanced, the most generous, the brightest and most compassionate country goin!
USA ROCKS!
| 1005 |
FurryOldGuyJeans Mon, Jan 5, 2009 11:40:21pm |
re: #1001 Salamantis
The US is by far the most religious country in the industrialized world.
Makes me wonder how he defines being religious. Other faiths than Christianity are flourishing here now.
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FurryOldGuyJeans Mon, Jan 5, 2009 11:40:59pm |
re: #1003 ArchangelMichael
Troglytes? Of course Adam and Eve did not mine for Zenite on Ardana.
/star trek geek off
You Cloud Minder, you! ;)
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Salamantis Mon, Jan 5, 2009 11:41:57pm |
re: #974 GregInSeattle
Who did I call a nasty name? I called the one guy a troglodyte since he hurled profanity at me.
Umm..."onslaught of atheists, socialists, & appeasers?" Ring any bells?
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FurryOldGuyJeans Mon, Jan 5, 2009 11:42:52pm |
re: #1007 Salamantis
Umm..."onslaught of atheists, socialists, & appeasers?" Ring any bells?
Sound doesn't travel in a vacuum, you know.
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FurryOldGuyJeans Mon, Jan 5, 2009 11:43:24pm |
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Alberta Oil Peon Mon, Jan 5, 2009 11:44:03pm |
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MrPaulRevere Mon, Jan 5, 2009 11:44:50pm |
The ID issue didn't interest me all that much until I read about the Wedge document put forth by the Disco Institute. I dislike liars and dishonest people and organizations immensely. They claim to be Christians but they are prohibited by scripture from bearing false witness, i.e. lying.
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FurryOldGuyJeans Mon, Jan 5, 2009 11:47:31pm |
re: #933 GregInSeattle
However, I kinda wonder if the Republic will survive the latest onslaught of the socialists, atheists & appeasers.
It won't survive if people refuse to see the barbarian horde cresting the hills beyond.
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MrPaulRevere Mon, Jan 5, 2009 11:48:01pm |
And by the way Greg, the construct that atheist=communist is a silly, juvenile argument.
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FurryOldGuyJeans Mon, Jan 5, 2009 11:48:23pm |
re: #1012 MrPaulRevere
The ID issue didn't interest me all that much until I read about the Wedge document put forth by the Disco Institute. I dislike liars and dishonest people and organizations immensely. They claim to be Christians but they are prohibited by scripture from bearing false witness, i.e. lying.
Oh no! Facts! AIEEEE! Flee in terror!
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Outrider Mon, Jan 5, 2009 11:50:49pm |
re: #1006 FurryOldGuyJeans
You Cloud Minder, you! ;)
would be a hell of a place to wonder around drunk wouldn't it? You trip? You trip!
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Alberta Oil Peon Mon, Jan 5, 2009 11:56:50pm |
re: #1013 FurryOldGuyJeans
It won't survive if people refuse to see the barbarian horde cresting the hills beyond.
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LeePro Tue, Jan 6, 2009 12:06:38am |
/exit lurk mode
Hi, y'all
My thoughts on the B-Zero Clinton-Clinger® (← just made that up, heh) appointments, posted at MM.com:
"Not that he would actually possess active brain cells otherwise,
but B-Zero is being played like a violin by the DC Machine!
Makes me SICK and scares the very life outa’ me!"
Also, anybody notice that Eric Holder's confirmation hearing is to begin
Jan. 15?
Before B0 is inaugurated?
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Karridine Tue, Jan 6, 2009 12:13:56am |
re: #995 Salamantis
Keep posting comments like that and you'll FAIL phrenology.
/Don't say I didn't warn you, Sal
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motorcycleboy Tue, Jan 6, 2009 2:32:43am |
re: #150 Sharmuta
Last time I looked, there was no mention of a religious requirement to being conservative.
Who defends "In God We Trust" if not conservatives?
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Sharmuta Tue, Jan 6, 2009 2:52:06am |
re: #1021 motorcycleboy
Who defends "In God We Trust" if not conservatives?
There is no religious requirement to being a conservative. None.
And if you, or anyone else continues to force this notion on the remainder of the conservative movement, be prepared for defections.
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motorcycleboy Tue, Jan 6, 2009 3:16:29am |
re: #1022 Sharmuta
There is no religious requirement to being a conservative. None.
And if you, or anyone else continues to force this notion on the remainder of the conservative movement, be prepared for defections.
But there is a requirement to respect religion if you are a conservative.
Care to answer the question?
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Sharmuta Tue, Jan 6, 2009 3:25:29am |
re: #1023 motorcycleboy
No. If you think the Constitution is the guide book for conservatism, then there is nothing in the Constitution about individuals respecting religion.
What the Constitution states is, as individuals, we have the right to worship as we see fit, including if we wish to worship not at all. I respect a person's right to worship- that does not mean I have to respect their religion.
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motorcycleboy Tue, Jan 6, 2009 4:11:48am |
re: #1024 Sharmuta
No. If you think the Constitution is the guide book for conservatism, then there is nothing in the Constitution about individuals respecting religion.
What the Constitution states is, as individuals, we have the right to worship as we see fit, including if we wish to worship not at all. I respect a person's right to worship- that does not mean I have to respect their religion.
We must tolerate their holding of religious beliefs so long as the practice of those beliefs does not interfere with other constitutional rights. Do you tolerate religion? To say you '[do not] have to respect their religion' could be an admission that you are intolerant when you encounter the articulation of a belief system that counters the atheist view (which is, in itelf, a belief system). Do you? Is it?
Are there places or circumstances you suddenly become intolerant of the faithful?
Do I have to remind you the Judeo-Christian ethic is the foundation of our legal system?
If God is not the creator, then who or what is the creator?
"...to worship not at all..." Of course! But making a practice of killing the mockingbird is hardly 'respect', and is indeed the opposite of respect. Those atheists that pursue the faithful among us are guilty of intolerance for the holding of a belief system that disagrees with atheism. You can't leave your beliefs in the church, synagogue, or, dare I say, mosque, if you are a true believer.
If you believe in God then you are a 'creationist' on some level. In God We Trust!
People of faith -- at least the reasonable ones -- respect one another's faith. It's the misapplication of faith that upsets true believers.
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Sharmuta Tue, Jan 6, 2009 4:36:54am |
re: #1025 motorcycleboy
We must tolerate their holding of religious beliefs so long as the practice of those beliefs does not interfere with other constitutional rights. Do you tolerate religion? To say you '[do not] have to respect their religion' could be an admission that you are intolerant when you encounter the articulation of a belief system that counters the atheist view (which is, in itelf, a belief system). Do you? Is it?
Are you assuming I'm an atheist simply because I defend the rights of individuals to be such if that is their opinion?
Are there places or circumstances you suddenly become intolerant of the faithful?
Depends on the faith.
Do I have to remind you the Judeo-Christian ethic is the foundation of our legal system?
No- but perhaps I should remind you that more than the Bible went into the formation of this country, and that a number of the Founders were Deists.
If God is not the creator, then who or what is the creator?
"...to worship not at all..." Of course! But making a practice of killing the mockingbird is hardly 'respect', and is indeed the opposite of respect. Those atheists that pursue the faithful among us are guilty of intolerance for the holding of a belief system that disagrees with atheism. You can't leave your beliefs in the church, synagogue, or, dare I say, mosque, if you are a true believer.
WTF? You could turn this around and say the same thing about any belief system. You don't get respect just because you feel entitled. If I want to not respect Scientology- then I will. And you have no right to tell me I have to. If a belief system is vile on it's face, then I'm not going to respect it. You sound like a multi-culturalist with this line of thinking. Like a leftist, you're demanding your views are to be respected. Respect is earned.
If you believe in God then you are a 'creationist' on some level. In God We Trust!
Uh- no. I'm not a creationist because I accept the veracity of evolution.
People of faith -- at least the reasonable ones -- respect one another's faith. It's the misapplication of faith that upsets true believers.
Why are you disrespecting unreasonable people of faith?
Sorry, but to be a conservative is to hold to the ideals set in the Constitution, limited government and individual rights. There is no need to be a member of a particular religious denomination to be a conservative. Simply a belief that our Founders had it right in allowing free people to worship in their own manner. It's the essence of Liberty.
Furthermore- the Constitution specifically prohibits religious tests for public office. If the Constitution is your Conservative Handbook- you might want to read it again.
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Sharmuta Tue, Jan 6, 2009 4:41:13am |
re: #1025 motorcycleboy
One more thing- I see that I'm supposed to be "tolerant" and "respectful".
Unless it's an atheist, right?
/hypocrite
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motorcycleboy Tue, Jan 6, 2009 4:48:36am |
It was you that said 'must respect', not me. I said tolerance. I can't accept your straw man argument.
You didn't answer my questions, yet you mock me with one of your own.
Do you believe in God?
Though the Constitution discourages religious litmus tests, the voters don't. People elect individuals to public office, not documents.
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motorcycleboy Tue, Jan 6, 2009 4:51:08am |
I should have said 'the voters don't have to' to clarify my meaning, and preempt another misinterpretation.
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Sharmuta Tue, Jan 6, 2009 4:58:22am |
re: #1028 motorcycleboy
Not only are you a hypocrite, you're a liar:
But there is a requirement to respect religion if you are a conservative.
These are your words. There is no requirement of belonging to a religious belief in order to be a conservative. There is no requirement to respect religion as a conservative- only the rights of individuals to practice the faith of their choosing.
You call atheism a belief system, yet have no respect for it or the people that believe it. Hypocrite.
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motorcycleboy Tue, Jan 6, 2009 6:23:48am |
re: #1030 Sharmuta
Now now, careful with that ax, Eugene. Ad hominem attacks? Aren't "liar" and "hypocrite" harsh words? Is this your normal response template, or (more likely) are you frustrated?
The Constitution is but one tool in my conservative arsenal. The Declaration of Independence is another of my tools.
And again you appear to equate 'respecting religion' with "belonging to a religious belief" or being required to hold a religious belief. Or practicing a specific religion. I didn't say that. To respect religion does not necessarily mean you must endorse the specifics of a particular religion, its rituals, or its view of the universe and man's role in it.
How many self-labeled conservatives consider themselves to be such enemies of religion that they must expunge the views of the faithful from the public arena? Not many -- that would be intolerant. And I agree there are atheists among self-labeled conservatives. I respect their right to hold that view. Just as I respect religion (even practitioners of religion holding views dramatically different from mine). So yes in a free society we are required to respect religion, and even respect atheism. As a matter of tolerance the Constitution requires it. Read it carefully -- the 1st amendment says "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion...". There is no Church of America (ref. Church of England).
The vast majority of conservatives believe in God. For that matter, the majority of scientists do too.
I called atheism a belief system, yes. And I tolerate it, and respect its annunciation to the degree I am willing to listen and challenge it. But that doesn't mean I can't argue with a particular atheist's misguided practice (that being the practice of intolerance). I could never have an atheist as a close friend, but I could (and do) have atheist neighbors that I tolerate, and yes, even respect.
By refusing to answer my questions, you are ignoring my challenges. You prefer a misguided, tangential, semantic rut. And by the employment of vitriol in your responses, you are showing signs that you may be 'intolerant'. At the minimum it reflects poorly on your character.
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motorcycleboy Tue, Jan 6, 2009 6:33:55am |
If the Big Bang theory can't be proven (will it ever be possible?) then isn't the basis for its propogation 'faith'? Aren't those who subscribe to its dogma the 'faithful'? If proponents of the Big Bang are espousing a theory as fact, aren't they legitimately called the 'faithful'?
At what point does a system of beliefs distinguish itself from religion, if indeed a particular belief is the foundation for a whole system of views?
Is it too early for this discussion without a healthy dose of caffeine?
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Salamantis Tue, Jan 6, 2009 6:43:45am |
re: #1021 motorcycleboy
Who defends "In God We Trust" if not conservatives?
The Religious Right, which is quite different from conservatives per se. After all, it's not a matter of conserving ancient US history; In God We trust only became the official US motto in 1956 in the throes of the now-defunct Red Scare, replacing the long standing de facto US motto, E. Pluribus Unum (Out of Many, One).
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
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Salamantis Tue, Jan 6, 2009 6:47:10am |
re: #1023 motorcycleboy
But there is a requirement to respect religion if you are a conservative.
Care to answer the question?
Religion in general, or just the religion of which you approve? After all, there are multiple Gods to Trust in Hinduism and Paganism, and none at all to be found in Buddhism, Taoism, and Confucianism. Or is it the case that when you say 'religion', what you really mean is Judeo-Christianity, and only that? Well, that's not what the Constitution of the United States of America means when it says 'religion.'
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lurking faith Tue, Jan 6, 2009 7:05:07am |
re: #1012 MrPaulRevere
The ID issue didn't interest me all that much until I read about the Wedge document put forth by the Disco Institute. I dislike liars and dishonest people and organizations immensely. They claim to be Christians but they are prohibited by scripture from bearing false witness, i.e. lying.
Far be it from me to support bad science, or lies, but the actual prohibition is against bearing false witness against your neighbor. That's not just plain lying; it's lying with the intent of framing/injuring/making someone look bad.
That said, I certainly agree that the arguments put forth by many ID supporters clearly misrepresent evolutionary science's theories and methods in order to make those scientists look stupid and/or evil - and that, in my book, puts the Discovery Institute's activities squarely at odds with the commandment.
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Salamantis Tue, Jan 6, 2009 7:09:33am |
re: #1025 motorcycleboy
We must tolerate their holding of religious beliefs so long as the practice of those beliefs does not interfere with other constitutional rights. Do you tolerate religion? To say you '[do not] have to respect their religion' could be an admission that you are intolerant when you encounter the articulation of a belief system that counters the atheist view (which is, in itelf, a belief system). Do you? Is it?
I respect the right of other people to hold anti-scientific views that are empirically provable as false, in the face of overwhelming counterfactual evidence - for instance, the Genesis Literalist dogma that the Universe, the Earth, and all the tens of millions of existent and extinct species found within it were created independently and as is a few thousand years ago - but I am not required to respect the views themselves. Nor do I think much of the decision by the people who hold them to embrace willful ignorance. But they are free to do that to themselves. When they try to legislatively mandate that it be done to other peoples' kids, they have crossed a constitutional line.
Are there places or circumstances you suddenly become intolerant of the faithful?
Yep. When they try to unconstitutionally force the sectarian indoctrination of other peoples' kids into their pet religious dogmas in public high school science classes.
Do I have to remind you the Judeo-Christian ethic is the foundation of our legal system?
The constitutional construction of our nation owes as much to the Pagan Greco-Roman tradition as it does to the judeo-Christian tradition.
If God is not the creator, then who or what is the creator?
You're assuming without empirical evidence that there was one, and only one.
"...to worship not at all..." Of course! But making a practice of killing the mockingbird is hardly 'respect', and is indeed the opposite of respect. Those atheists that pursue the faithful among us are guilty of intolerance for the holding of a belief system that disagrees with atheism. You can't leave your beliefs in the church, synagogue, or, dare I say, mosque, if you are a true believer.
It is, as far as I have seen, the Judeo-Christians who cannot manage to forbear falsely and gratuitously slandering and sliming atheists, agnostics and secularists as, among other things, fascists, communists, relativists, and ethically and/or morally deficient.
If you believe in God then you are a 'creationist' on some level. In God We Trust!
Nope. That's assuming, without empirical evidence, that being God means having to be the Universe's creator. Bit those are two distinct conceptions. The very idea of the ristotelian Prime Mover ddid not involve such creation; the Greeks believed that the Universe was always here, and the Prime Mover just set the pre-existent Cosmos in motion.
People of faith -- at least the reasonable ones -- respect one another's faith. It's the misapplication of faith that upsets true believers.
People should respect each other's right to hold any particular religious belief, or none at all. This is, however, quite distinct from respecting the beliefs themselves. If people admire another way of believing besides their own a lot, they are always free to convert to it. When they don't, in the absence of coercion, it is an indication that they respect their own belief system most of all - which means they respect other belief systems less.
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Salamantis Tue, Jan 6, 2009 7:15:03am |
re: #1028 motorcycleboy
It was you that said 'must respect', not me. I said tolerance. I can't accept your straw man argument.
You didn't answer my questions, yet you mock me with one of your own.
Which you didn't answer. But Sharmuta is indeed Christian.
Do you believe in God?
Do you embrace the US Constitution?
Though the Constitution discourages religious litmus tests, the voters don't. People elect individuals to public office, not documents.
You mean like openly atheist California congressman Pete Stark?
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motorcycleboy Tue, Jan 6, 2009 7:16:43am |
re: #1033 Salamantis
Yes I am (was) aware of that fact -- but the question remains. It's been there for as long as (probably) any of us can remember, without noticeable dissent until the PC movement emerged. What about "...endowed by their Creator..." should that be purged too?
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motorcycleboy Tue, Jan 6, 2009 7:24:48am |
re: #1038 Salamantis
Yes, Pete Stark! They don't call it the Left Coast for nuthin'. And yes of course he's a Democrat. So is Harry Reid, raised in an atheist household.
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motorcycleboy Tue, Jan 6, 2009 7:26:01am |
re: #1036 Salamantis
It is, as far as I have seen, the Judeo-Christians who cannot manage to forbear falsely and gratuitously slandering and sliming atheists, agnostics and secularists as, among other things, fascists, communists, relativists, and ethically and/or morally deficient.
You mean like Stalin and Mao?
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Salamantis Tue, Jan 6, 2009 7:34:37am |
re: #1031 motorcycleboy
Now now, careful with that ax, Eugene. Ad hominem attacks? Aren't "liar" and "hypocrite" harsh words? Is this your normal response template, or (more likely) are you frustrated?
Just because they're harsh doesn't mean they're not true. And in your case, they are, judging from your prior posts on this thread.
The Constitution is but one tool in my conservative arsenal. The Declaration of Independence is another of my tools.
As beloved as the Declaration of Independence is, it was addressed not to the American people, but to King George III of England, and we do not rule ourselves by means of it. We rule ourselves by means of the US Constitution, as amended.
And again you appear to equate 'respecting religion' with "belonging to a religious belief" or being required to hold a religious belief. Or practicing a specific religion. I didn't say that. To respect religion does not necessarily mean you must endorse the specifics of a particular religion, its rituals, or its view of the universe and man's role in it.
You seem to confuse respecting religion with respecting the right of others to hold beliefs, whether they be religious or otherwise, which one does not respect as much as one respects one's own beliefs, whether they be religious or otherwise (or else one would convert, since it's a free country).
How many self-labeled conservatives consider themselves to be such enemies of religion that they must expunge the views of the faithful from the public arena? Not many -- that would be intolerant. And I agree there are atheists among self-labeled conservatives. I respect their right to hold that view. Just as I respect religion (even practitioners of religion holding views dramatically different from mine). So yes in a free society we are required to respect religion, and even respect atheism. As a matter of tolerance the Constitution requires it. Read it carefully -- the 1st amendment says "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion...". There is no Church of America (ref. Church of England).
...Or prohibiting the free exercise thereof. But that's a far distance from allowing some religions, and not others, to indoctrinate other peoples' kids in their pet sectarian dogmas in public high school scince classes, which would be respecting some establishments of religion, by favoring them over the others. And that unconstitutional favoring is what the Disco Institute strives for.
The vast majority of conservatives believe in God. For that matter, the majority of scientists do too.
Empirical facts are not subject to popularity contests. Neither are transcendent truths. Otherwise, they would have had to change with changing belief patters over the years.
I called atheism a belief system, yes. And I tolerate it, and respect its annunciation to the degree I am willing to listen and challenge it. But that doesn't mean I can't argue with a particular atheist's misguided practice (that being the practice of intolerance). I could never have an atheist as a close friend, but I could (and do) have atheist neighbors that I tolerate, and yes, even respect.
How tolerant of you (not). I would have a hard time tolerating your intolerance, and I'm not an atheist. Because the one thing that truly tolerant people cannot in all good conscience tolerate is the intolerance of others.
By refusing to answer my questions, you are ignoring my challenges. You prefer a misguided, tangential, semantic rut. And by the employment of vitriol in your responses, you are showing signs that you may be 'intolerant'. At the minimum it reflects poorly on your character.
You're one to talk, with your discriminatory and prejudicial back-of-the-bus bigotrous view of atheists and secularists.
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motorcycleboy Tue, Jan 6, 2009 7:37:07am |
re: #1038 Salamantis
Are you and Sharmuta the same person? Neither namesake likes answering questions -- and Sharmuta's question was rhetorical.
That's assuming, without empirical evidence, that being God means having to be the Universe's creator...
Faith does not require empirical evidence! You can't apply the scientific method to faith, which brings me to the point that this assumption is the basis of the folly of arguing with the faithful for the exclusion of ideas in the classroom over fundamental questions of human existence.
| 1044 |
Sharmuta Tue, Jan 6, 2009 7:39:00am |
re: #1039 motorcycleboy
"...endowed by their Creator..." is Deist code. The Founders weren't the Christians you think they were.
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Salamantis Tue, Jan 6, 2009 7:41:53am |
re: #1039 motorcycleboy
Yes I am (was) aware of that fact -- but the question remains. It's been there for as long as (probably) any of us can remember, without noticeable dissent until the PC movement emerged. What about "...endowed by their Creator..." should that be purged too?
There was dissent when it was passed, but it was stifled by folks like Joe McCarthy. And has been since. I for one, prefer E. Pluribus Unum: many different people united into one by the common embrace of an idea of constitutional democracy with guaranteed rights and freedoms. Because before anything else, the United States of America is such a great, grand and glorious idea.
And no, the phrase "...endowed by their Creator..." shouldn't be excised from the Declaration of Independence. It's a cherished historical document which, unlike the US Constitution, has no provision for amendation, and carries no force of law.
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Salamantis Tue, Jan 6, 2009 7:45:39am |
re: #1041 motorcycleboy
It is, as far as I have seen, the Judeo-Christians who cannot manage to forbear falsely and gratuitously slandering and sliming atheists, agnostics and secularists as, among other things, fascists, communists, relativists, and ethically and/or morally deficient.
You mean like Stalin and Mao?
You mean like the unswervingly committed Roman Catholic Hitler (that is how he described himself to his chief of staff, General Gerhard Engel, in 1941)? And how many people have killed or died in the name of one deity or another since time immemorial? Two can play that historical slime game, and it proves nothing either way.
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Salamantis Tue, Jan 6, 2009 7:47:55am |
re: #1040 motorcycleboy
Yes, Pete Stark! They don't call it the Left Coast for nuthin'. And yes of course he's a Democrat. So is Harry Reid, raised in an atheist household.
Harry Reid is a Mormon. Nancy Pelosi is a Catholic. Barack Obama is a Protestant. Barney Frank is a Jew.
| 1049 |
fclass308 Tue, Jan 6, 2009 7:53:26am |
Poodle fight! Poodle fight!
LMAO....you can't write this stuff.
Pass the popcorn. :)
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motorcycleboy Tue, Jan 6, 2009 7:56:25am |
re: #1042 Salamantis
it [Declaration of Independence] was addressed not to the American people, but to King George III of England, and we do not rule ourselves by means of it.
So is it fodder for the parrot's cage? Should we exclude study of the Declaration of Independence from schools too?
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Salamantis Tue, Jan 6, 2009 7:58:18am |
re: #1043 motorcycleboy
Are you and Sharmuta the same person? Neither namesake likes answering questions -- and Sharmuta's question was rhetorical.
I've answered your questions, and put questions back to you, which YOU have failed to answer. Are YOU Sharmuta?
/
Faith does not require empirical evidence! You can't apply the scientific method to faith, which brings me to the point that this assumption is the basis of the folly of arguing with the faithful for the exclusion of ideas in the classroom over fundamental questions of human existence.
You can teach "fundamental question of human existence", which seems to be a rhetorical fig leaf behing which you conceal your own particular pet sectarian religious dogmas, in any "fundamental questions of human existence" class you can get your private or parochial school to include, or you can homeschool it, for your own kids and the kids of willing others. But nothing but empirical science belongs in public high school science class. Most certainly, faith indoctrination doesn't belong in there.
And the argument that 'the faithful' have is not only with me, but with the 1st Amendment to the Constitution of the United States of America, and Founding Father and Framer Thomas Jefferson clearly outlined what the Establishment Clause of that Amendment meant in his 1802 letter to the Danbury Baptists:
"Believing with you that religion is a matter which lies solely between Man & his God, that he owes account to none other for his faith or his worship, that the legitimate powers of government reach actions only, & not opinions, I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should "make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof," thus building a wall of separation between Church & State. Adhering to this expression of the supreme will of the nation in behalf of the rights of conscience, I shall see with sincere satisfaction the progress of those sentiments which tend to restore to man all his natural rights, convinced he has no natural right in opposition to his social duties."
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motorcycleboy Tue, Jan 6, 2009 8:01:06am |
Harry Reid is a Mormon. Nancy Pelosi is a Catholic. Barack Obama is a Protestant. Barney Frank is a Jew.
That cracks me up! What does that make Rev. Wright or Rev. Pfleger? Let me guess -- Saints?
| 1053 |
Salamantis Tue, Jan 6, 2009 8:04:06am |
re: #1050 motorcycleboy
So is it fodder for the parrot's cage? Should we exclude study of the Declaration of Independence from schools too?
It certainly isn't a topic for study in public high school science class. Have students study it, and the initial, too-weak Articles of Confederation, and the US Constitution, and the Federalist Papers, and the Gettysburg Address, and John C. Calhoun's Disquisition on Government, among other American historical and governmental documents, in an American History class.
| 1054 |
motorcycleboy Tue, Jan 6, 2009 8:04:24am |
re: #1051 Salamantis
You can teach "fundamental question of human existence", which seems to be a rhetorical fig leaf behing which you conceal your own particular pet sectarian religious dogmas...
You mean like the Big Bang theory?
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Sharmuta Tue, Jan 6, 2009 8:04:52am |
re: #1031 motorcycleboy
Now now, careful with that ax, Eugene. Ad hominem attacks? Aren't "liar" and "hypocrite" harsh words? Is this your normal response template, or (more likely) are you frustrated?
I just call it as I see it.
And again you appear to equate 'respecting religion' with "belonging to a religious belief" or being required to hold a religious belief. Or practicing a specific religion. I didn't say that. To respect religion does not necessarily mean you must endorse the specifics of a particular religion, its rituals, or its view of the universe and man's role in it.
Uh- no, but you appear to be making more assumptions. Sorry, but being a conservative only requires me to respect the rights of individuals. That does not mean I have to respect the choices made with those rights. In fact- it's my right to respect or not respect what ever I want- who are you to tell me otherwise? Again- it smacks of relativism. But to be crystal clear- I respect your right to follow whatever religion you'd like to follow. I am under no obligation to respect the religion itself.
So yes in a free society we are required to respect religion, and even respect atheism.
Required? And where is that written in the Constitution?
Read it carefully -- the 1st amendment says "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion...". There is no Church of America (ref. Church of England).
Yes we have separation as well as Free Exercise. What is required of me is to not infringe on other people's right to Free Exercise.
The vast majority of conservatives believe in God. For that matter, the majority of scientists do too.
I never said otherwise.
I could never have an atheist as a close friend, but I could (and do) have atheist neighbors that I tolerate, and yes, even respect.
You are very closed minded.
By refusing to answer my questions, you are ignoring my challenges. You prefer a misguided, tangential, semantic rut. And by the employment of vitriol in your responses, you are showing signs that you may be 'intolerant'. At the minimum it reflects poorly on your character.
You have the audacity to say my comments reflect poorly on my character?! I'm not the one who has issues with atheists. In fact- some of my favorite people at this blog are atheists- they are more tolerant and moral than you!
And I didn't answer your questions because I don't see how they had any relevance to the point- conservatism does not require one to be religious- full stop. That you cannot wrap your head around this fairly simple notion speaks volumes about you.
| 1056 |
Salamantis Tue, Jan 6, 2009 8:05:38am |
re: #1052 motorcycleboy
That cracks me up! What does that make Rev. Wright or Rev. Pfleger? Let me guess -- Saints?
No one ever guaranteed that all people who profess a particular religion must necessarily be rational or benevolent persons.
| 1057 |
Sharmuta Tue, Jan 6, 2009 8:09:40am |
re: #1054 motorcycleboy
Your rhetoric is showing now. I don't know who you think you're kidding.
| 1058 |
Salamantis Tue, Jan 6, 2009 8:10:04am |
re: #1054 motorcycleboy
You mean like the Big Bang theory?
No, the Big Bang Theory is, like the Theory of Gravitation and the Heliocentric Theory of the Solar System, empirically provable. We not only know that the Big Bang happened, we also know, to a pretty close approximation (13.73 ± 0.12 billion years), how long ago it happened, by measuring the red shift coefficient of the Big Bang echo background radiation that permeates every place in the Universe that we have tested for it.
| 1059 |
motorcycleboy Tue, Jan 6, 2009 8:14:14am |
re: #1047 Salamantis
You mean like the unswervingly committed Roman Catholic Hitler (that is how he described himself to his chief of staff, General Gerhard Engel, in 1941)?
And you think he was a practicing Catholic? Was eugenics part of that equation?
Do you also think advocacy of taxpayer-funded abortion without restriction (see 2008 DNC platform) is a Catholic mandate? Would you prefer taking Communion just before voting on that bill or just after?
| 1060 |
Sharmuta Tue, Jan 6, 2009 8:19:47am |
re: #1059 motorcycleboy
And you think he was a practicing Catholic? Was eugenics part of that equation?
Do you also think advocacy of taxpayer-funded abortion without restriction (see 2008 DNC platform) is a Catholic mandate? Would you prefer taking Communion just before voting on that bill or just after?
You should ask the two Senators from Massachusetts.
| 1061 |
Salamantis Tue, Jan 6, 2009 8:24:49am |
re: #1032 motorcycleboy
If the Big Bang theory can't be proven (will it ever be possible?) then isn't the basis for its propogation 'faith'? Aren't those who subscribe to its dogma the 'faithful'? If proponents of the Big Bang are espousing a theory as fact, aren't they legitimately called the 'faithful'?
The Big Bang Theory should be renamed the Big Bang Event, since we can empirically check and recheck at will the red-shift coefficient of the background echo radiation it left behind, and continue to get the same answer for how long ago it occurred (13.73 ± 0.12 billion years ago). Thus accepting its empirical facticity is not a matter of faith (which can only exist in the absence of empirical evidence), but of knowledge.
At what point does a system of beliefs distinguish itself from religion, if indeed a particular belief is the foundation for a whole system of views?
Empirical evidence is the foundation for knowledge; knowledge does not require faith, for, being knowledge, it can be known, simply by objectively and dispassionately perusling the empirical evidence for it. The difference between faith and knowledge is that there is no empirical evidence for the believed-in, while the known is supported by empirical evidence.
Faith - No Empirical Evidence.
Knowledge - Empirical Evidence.
Get It?
Is it too early for this discussion without a healthy dose of caffeine?
It seems as if you might need a pot full...plus a lot of epistemological education.
| 1062 |
Salamantis Tue, Jan 6, 2009 8:29:09am |
re: #1059 motorcycleboy
And you think he was a practicing Catholic? Was eugenics part of that equation?
Do you also think advocacy of taxpayer-funded abortion without restriction (see 2008 DNC platform) is a Catholic mandate? Would you prefer taking Communion just before voting on that bill or just after?
The first treaty that the Third Reich signed was with the Holy See.
We must accept peoples' testimony that they indeed believe in the belief system that they profess. Whether, when they are not engaged in religious observance, they act in ways of which many of their coreligionists might disapprove, is not a legitimate reason for those not in a position of religious authority to exclude them. It's known as the No True Scotsman Fallacy:
[Link: www.logicalfallacies.info...]
| 1063 |
motorcycleboy Tue, Jan 6, 2009 8:33:54am |
re: #1058 Salamantis
So you would have us believe everything, from everywhere, without a doubt, originated from a singular infinitesimal point, in one vanishingly small moment, an incomprehensibly long time ago. What about before that? Am I allowed to ask that or would that make me a heretic?
This dogma is official? Is there any wiggle room? Isn't this the same group whose arrogant manifestation of certitude has us still searching for the Unified Field Theory? That came up with global warming?
My point is, of course science is dogmatic! Right up to the point that our 'proven facts' are disproven by another set of more reliable (at least by method) 'proven facts', to be replaced by yet another set, etc. etc.
And you label me as irrational?
| 1064 |
Sharmuta Tue, Jan 6, 2009 8:39:49am |
re: #1063 motorcycleboy
My goodness- you are becoming a bit unglued.
| 1065 |
Sharmuta Tue, Jan 6, 2009 8:47:47am |
re: #1063 motorcycleboy
So you would have us believe everything, from everywhere, without a doubt, originated from a singular infinitesimal point, in one vanishingly small moment, an incomprehensibly long time ago. What about before that? Am I allowed to ask that or would that make me a heretic?
Is it so difficult to think perhaps God worked through the Big Bang and evolution? Or can the same style question be thrown back at creationists by asking "Where did God come from"? Thing is- we have evidence to support the science.
And no- asking those questions doesn't make you a heretic, but it does make you look ignorant and childish.
| 1066 |
Salamantis Tue, Jan 6, 2009 8:54:17am |
re: #1063 motorcycleboy
So you would have us believe everything, from everywhere, without a doubt, originated from a singular infinitesimal point, in one vanishingly small moment, an incomprehensibly long time ago. What about before that? Am I allowed to ask that or would that make me a heretic?
No, it would just mean that you didn't understand the definition of the word Universe (all that is, was, and will be). Since matter/energy creates the spacetime in which it occurs by means of gravitation, asking what came 'before' the Universe is as absurd and nonsensical as asking what is 'outside' its boundaries. Physcically speaking (in the physics sense), there was no time before the Big Bang, just like there is no space outside the Universe.
This dogma is official? Is there any wiggle room? Isn't this the same group whose arrogant manifestation of certitude has us still searching for the Unified Field Theory? That came up with global warming?
Remember - dogma is what one has in the absence of empirical evidence; scientific theories are what one has in its presence
The most likely Grand Unified Theory of Everything was recently authored by physicist Garrett Lisi, and will soon be tested in the Large Hadron Collider:
[Link: arxiv.org...]
And Athropogenic Global Warming Theory is being forsaken by empirical scientists in droves, just two decades after it was first proposed, because they follow the empirical evidence, and the empirical evidence is not supporting it. It was science, but it was bad science. The Big Bang Theory, OTOH, has been empirically verified countless times, as has evolutionary theory (for 150 years, all the empirical evidence has supported it, and no empirical evidence has contradicted it.
My point is, of course science is dogmatic! Right up to the point that our 'proven facts' are disproven by another set of more reliable (at least by method) 'proven facts', to be replaced by yet another set, etc. etc.
And you label me as irrational?
No, once again, dogma is what occurs in theabsence of empirical evidence; science is what occurs in its presence. And while some theories come and go, others - like Copernican Heliocentrism, Newton's Celestial Mechanics (which was not contradicted by Einstein's Relativity Theory, but subsumed as a special case of it), the Big Bang Theory, and Evolution via Random Genetic Mutation and Nonrandom Environmental Selection, come and stay.
I can well understand a creationist's desire to reduce empirical science to the level of dogmatic faith, since you cannot manage to elevate dogmatic faith to the status of empirical science. But you fail in this endeavor also. Because the presence vs. the absence of empirical evidence for proffered assertions, and the ability vs. the inability to empirically test made contentions, remain.
| 1067 |
Spiny Norman Tue, Jan 6, 2009 8:56:51am |
Back on topic:
"Best Photo Blog" without zombietime is just whacked.
As is "Best Comic Strip" without Achewood.
WTF?!?
| 1068 |
Salamantis Tue, Jan 6, 2009 9:09:10am |
And here are a few more points:
Many people are mesmerized by the idea that everything necessarily must have a cause. But some things just happen, at random. Particle-antiparticle pairs are always randomly popping into and out of existence in the quantum foam; why not the quantum fluctuation that inflated into the Big Bang?
And likewise with the universal constants: many people are mesmerized by the idea that one of them is primordial, and is responsible for setting the parameters of all the others. But why can't they have emerged as co-primordial and mutually bootstrapping components of an interdependently interrelational system, so that each one of them is the way that it is and not any other way because all the rest of them are the ways that they are and not other ways?
| 1069 |
Charles Johnson Tue, Jan 6, 2009 9:14:41am |
I see we have another fanatic ranting away in this thread.
| 1070 |
Charles Johnson Tue, Jan 6, 2009 9:15:24am |
re: #1063 motorcycleboy
And you label me as irrational?
Nominated for most inadvertently funny comment of the morning.
| 1071 |
motorcycleboy Tue, Jan 6, 2009 9:16:05am |
re: #1065 Sharmuta
Is it so difficult to think perhaps God worked through the Big Bang and evolution?
Thank you! No, it is not! As I have said in a previous post on this thread, if you believe in God you are, at some level, a creationist!
Or can the same style question be thrown back at creationists by asking "Where did God come from"? Thing is- we have evidence to support the science.
But again, faith does not require proof through the scientific method! Those with faith don't need to 'justify' anything -- their faith trumps facts! This is a difficult concept for the unfaithful to grasp, but it absolutely trumps all other (scientific) argument.
In the classroom, including science class, the faithful among us should have their beliefs respected. That doesn't mean instructors must proselytize -- that is wrong -- but certainly the faithful have a right to not have their dearest, most fundamentally held beliefs challenged methodically and subjected to ridicule. One can still 'teach' evolution, explaining to the class (for example, typically 9th-10th grade for biology) that they are responsible on the test for knowing what science teaches us; that there are alternative theories (and a brief acknowledgement of what they are), and that everyone's sensibilities are respected (especially by the instructor, who should avoid student ridicule especially regarding areas likely addressed by religious dogma).
| 1072 |
Sharmuta Tue, Jan 6, 2009 9:19:12am |
re: #1071 motorcycleboy
cre⋅a⋅tion⋅ism [kree-ey-shuh-niz-uhm] –noun
1. the doctrine that matter and all things were created, substantially as they now exist, by an omnipotent Creator, and not gradually evolved or developed.
2. (sometimes initial capital letter) the doctrine that the true story of the creation of the universe is as it is recounted in the Bible, esp. in the first chapter of Genesis.
I accept the validity of evolution. I am not a creationist.
| 1073 |
Charles Johnson Tue, Jan 6, 2009 9:19:44am |
re: #1071 motorcycleboy
...certainly the faithful have a right to not have their dearest, most fundamentally held beliefs challenged methodically and subjected to ridicule.
No, you do not have that "right." No one has that right in America. Freedom of expression is a constitutional right, and that means you have absolutely no grounds to demand that anyone refrain from ridiculing you or challenging your beliefs. You're espousing an un-American viewpoint, and you'd probably be happier in a theocracy, where your rules could be enforced by law.
| 1074 |
jaunte Tue, Jan 6, 2009 9:21:02am |
re: #1071 motorcycleboy
"Those with faith don't need to 'justify' anything -- their faith trumps facts!"
You may have noticed that this very attitude is causing some conflict in the world.
| 1075 |
Sharmuta Tue, Jan 6, 2009 9:23:24am |
re: #1073 Charles
Sounds familiar, that refrain. Where have I heard that before? Let me think...
| 1076 |
Salamantis Tue, Jan 6, 2009 9:29:19am |
re: #1071 motorcycleboy
But again, faith does not require proof through the scientific method! Those with faith don't need to 'justify' anything -- their faith trumps facts! This is a difficult concept for the unfaithful to grasp, but it absolutely trumps all other (scientific) argument.
Maybe in their own minds, but not in Reality. No matter how piously and fervently they believe in empirical untruths, and how many of them believe in such things, they will remain objectively untrue.
In the classroom, including science class, the faithful among us should have their beliefs respected. That doesn't mean instructors must proselytize -- that is wrong -- but certainly the faithful have a right to not have their dearest, most fundamentally held beliefs challenged methodically and subjected to ridicule.
I strenuously disagree. If empirical science contradicts some students' dogmatic faith, that dogmatic faith nevertheless gives them no right to censor what science is or is not taught to the class at large. People are not constitutionally guaranteed the right not to be religiously offended by empirical science in America. If they don't like it, let them get enrolled in private parochial schools, or get homeschooled.
One can still 'teach' evolution, explaining to the class (for example, typically 9th-10th grade for biology) that they are responsible on the test for knowing what science teaches us; that there are alternative theories (and a brief acknowledgement of what they are), and that everyone's sensibilities are respected (especially by the instructor, who should avoid student ridicule especially regarding areas likely addressed by religious dogma).
But there are no alternative scientific theories. There are only a bunch of whining, bitching and moaning creationists trying to gin up the appearance of a scientific controversy where none in fact exists:
[Link: ase.tufts.edu...]
Creationism isn't a scientific theory, and neither is it's bastard camo-clad stepchild, ID. There isn't a single crumb of credible empirical evidence to support either of them. And there are mountains and oceans of empirical evidence that support evolution, and not a single iota of credible empirical evidence that contradicts it.
| 1077 |
motorcycleboy Tue, Jan 6, 2009 9:30:45am |
re: #1074 jaunte
You may have noticed that this very attitude is causing some conflict in the world.
You are correct! Live and let live, I say. Why can't we all just get along?
| 1078 |
motorcycleboy Tue, Jan 6, 2009 9:36:56am |
re: #1072 Sharmuta
you left off
Creationism
3.) the doctrine that God immediately creates out of nothing a new human soul for each individual born.
| 1079 |
Salamantis Tue, Jan 6, 2009 9:39:38am |
re: #1077 motorcycleboy
You are correct! Live and let live, I say. Why can't we all just get along?
Sure, fine with me. Here's how we can all get along: you believe what you wanna believe, I'll believe what I wanna believe, we each teach our kids what we wanna teach them at home, and public school systems teach nothing but empirical science in public high school science class (and yes, that includes evolutionary theory). And if you don't want your kids exposed to experimentally corroborated knowledge because you value some religious dogma or other more, then take them out of public schools, and either homeschool them or enroll them in the religious school of your choice. But you constitutionally cannot demand that other parents be forced to allow their own childrens' science education to be dogmatically shafted just to suit you and yours. You can intellectually abuse your own kids, if you feel that you must, and keep them dogmatically swaddled in an insulating cocoon of willful ignorance (at least till they're adults - then they're free to learn what they please), but you lack all rights whatsoever to demand the same of other peoples' kids in public high school science classes.
| 1080 |
Sharmuta Tue, Jan 6, 2009 9:42:15am |
re: #1078 motorcycleboy
you left off
Creationism
3.) the doctrine that God immediately creates out of nothing a new human soul for each individual born.
Because it has nothing to do with evolution.
| 1081 |
Salamantis Tue, Jan 6, 2009 9:43:12am |
re: #1078 motorcycleboy
you left off
Creationism
3.) the doctrine that God immediately creates out of nothing a new human soul for each individual born.
Nope; that's divine ensoulment. And Biblically, male fetuses aren't ensouled until the 40th day of pregnancy (and female fetuses until the 80th day).
But you're gonna have a hard time demonstrating to an objective observer that one second before the sperm enters the egg, there ain't a soul there, and one second afterward, there is. It's the kinda religious dogma that is pretty solidly empirically contraindicated.
| 1082 |
Sharmuta Tue, Jan 6, 2009 9:49:21am |
re: #1077 motorcycleboy
You are correct! Live and let live, I say. Why can't we all just get along?
We can all get along unless someone's an atheist, right?
| 1083 |
Charles Johnson Tue, Jan 6, 2009 9:54:24am |
It's ironic -- I make a comment about fanatics who think LGF isn't pure enough, and whaddayaknow? Here they are.
| 1084 |
Salamantis Tue, Jan 6, 2009 10:02:29am |
These folks always seem to come down to some combination of these four things:
1) I hate frigging atheists!
2) I think homosexuality is a Satanic abomination!
3) I think abortion should be banned under any and all circumstances!
4) I didn't come from no G^%%mn ape!
| 1085 |
jaunte Tue, Jan 6, 2009 10:03:43am |
re: #1084 Salamantis
Stop oppressing me with your detailed and relevant empiricism!
| 1086 |
Sharmuta Tue, Jan 6, 2009 10:05:04am |
motorcycleboy- I pity you. Your prejudice and bigotry towards atheists- refusing them as close friends- has probably cost you the friendship of some decent people. And if you're a Christian, I think you should seriously reconsider this position, because it's not Christian at all. Just because there are some fringe militant atheists does not mean all atheists want God removed from everything. Your narrow mindedness has done nothing but hurt you. It's not compassionate towards your fellow man or yourself.
| 1087 |
motorcycleboy Tue, Jan 6, 2009 10:05:33am |
There are many among us who choose to ridicule the faithful at every turn. I disagree with that sentiment. It's un-American.
And to those that would have us believe the founding documents were not heavily influenced by people of faith, I submit the following.
----
Samuel Adams, father of the American Revolution, stated, “I conceive we cannot better express ourselves than by humbly supplicating the Supreme Ruler of the world ... that the confusions that are and have been among the nations may be overruled by the promoting and speedily bringing in the holy and happy period when the kingdoms of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ may be everywhere established, and the people willingly bow to the scepter of Him who is the Prince of Peace” (from a Massachusetts “Fast Day Proclamation” issued March 20, 1797).
John Jay, author of “The Federalist Papers” and the first chief justice of the U.S. Supreme Court, stated, “I recommend a general and public return of praise and thanksgiving to Him from whose goodness these blessings descend. The most effectual means of securing the continuance of our civil and religious liberties is always to remember with reverence and gratitude the source from which they flow.”
Benjamin Rush, signer of the Declaration of Independence, stated, “[T]he only means of establishing and perpetuating our republican forms of government is the universal education of our youth in the principles of Christianity by means of the Bible.”
In 1799, Jedidiah Morse, historian of the American Revolution, said, “Whenever the pillars of Christianity shall be overthrown, our present republican forms of government — and all the blessings which flow from them — must fall with them.”
“The rhetoric of ‘separation of church and state’ and ‘a wall of separation’ has been instrumental in transforming judicial and popular constructions of the First Amendment from a provision protecting and encouraging religion in public life to one restricting religion’s place and role in civic culture,” wrote Dr. Daniel L. Dreisbach, professor of Justice, Law and Society in the School of Public Affairs at American University. “This fact would have alarmed the framers of the Constitution, and we ignore it today at the peril of our political order and prosperity.”
| 1088 |
Charles Johnson Tue, Jan 6, 2009 10:06:40am |
Look out, now he's consulting the quote mines.
| 1089 |
motorcycleboy Tue, Jan 6, 2009 10:14:01am |
re: #1086 Sharmuta
Nice try, but I think you probably have criteria for 'close friendships'.
Heck, you might even have a preference for who you marry, I dunno. Does that mean you're intolerant? Gimme a break.
| 1090 |
Sharmuta Tue, Jan 6, 2009 10:14:56am |
re: #1087 motorcycleboy
Many of the Founders were Deists
Washington, Franklin, John Adams, Jefferson, Madison, Paine.
Shocking, I'm sure, but this country was not founded by fundamentalists.
| 1091 |
Salamantis Tue, Jan 6, 2009 10:15:05am |
re: #1087 motorcycleboy
There are many among us who choose to ridicule the faithful at every turn. I disagree with that sentiment. It's un-American.
And to those that would have us believe the founding documents were not heavily influenced by people of faith, I submit the following.
----
Samuel Adams, father of the American Revolution, stated, “I conceive we cannot better express ourselves than by humbly supplicating the Supreme Ruler of the world ... that the confusions that are and have been among the nations may be overruled by the promoting and speedily bringing in the holy and happy period when the kingdoms of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ may be everywhere established, and the people willingly bow to the scepter of Him who is the Prince of Peace” (from a Massachusetts “Fast Day Proclamation” issued March 20, 1797).
John Jay, author of “The Federalist Papers” and the first chief justice of the U.S. Supreme Court, stated, “I recommend a general and public return of praise and thanksgiving to Him from whose goodness these blessings descend. The most effectual means of securing the continuance of our civil and religious liberties is always to remember with reverence and gratitude the source from which they flow.”
Benjamin Rush, signer of the Declaration of Independence, stated, “[T]he only means of establishing and perpetuating our republican forms of government is the universal education of our youth in the principles of Christianity by means of the Bible.”
In 1799, Jedidiah Morse, historian of the American Revolution, said, “Whenever the pillars of Christianity shall be overthrown, our present republican forms of government — and all the blessings which flow from them — must fall with them.”
“The rhetoric of ‘separation of church and state’ and ‘a wall of separation’ has been instrumental in transforming judicial and popular constructions of the First Amendment from a provision protecting and encouraging religion in public life to one restricting religion’s place and role in civic culture,” wrote Dr. Daniel L. Dreisbach, professor of Justice, Law and Society in the School of Public Affairs at American University. “This fact would have alarmed the framers of the Constitution, and we ignore it today at the peril of our political order and prosperity.”
Read THESE quotes:
[Link: freethought.mbdojo.com...]
[Link: www.skeptically.org...]
| 1092 |
Sharmuta Tue, Jan 6, 2009 10:16:12am |
re: #1089 motorcycleboy
I wouldn't marry a bigot like you.
| 1093 |
Salamantis Tue, Jan 6, 2009 10:21:54am |
re: #1089 motorcycleboy
Nice try, but I think you probably have criteria for 'close friendships'.
Heck, you might even have a preference for who you marry, I dunno. Does that mean you're intolerant? Gimme a break.
Yeah, I do. They don't try to lie to or about me, steal from me, defraud me, hurt or kill me, rape my female family or friends, or kill me, my friends or my family. They fight alongside me to keep me or my friends or family from being raped, killed, or stolen from. They defend me to others from slanders they know to be untrue. They do what they can to help me when I need it and it's not too much trouble for them. And for them to do so even when not asked would be nice.
And of course I do the same for them. That's part of what friendship is all about. I have friends who are atheists, and there are self-proclaimed Christians, such as Jeremiah Wright, Fred Phelps and Alan Keyes, who I wouldn't spit on if they were on fire.
| 1094 |
Salamantis Tue, Jan 6, 2009 10:25:16am |
re: #1090 Sharmuta
Many of the Founders were Deists
Washington, Franklin, John Adams, Jefferson, Madison, Paine.
Shocking, I'm sure, but this country was not founded by fundamentalists.
In fact, fundamentalist Christianity - the Biblical Literalist kind - only caught hold in America in the early 20th century.
| 1095 |
Cato the Elder Tue, Jan 6, 2009 10:40:10am |
It's been said before, but the fact that Atlas even makes the list is a disgrace, and somewhat frightening.
Right now Ace is in the lead, with LGF and sda following (a thin margin there) and Atlas in fourth place. This tells me that there is something wrong with the thinking of many who are pleased to call themselves "conservative". If a shrieking, drunken, nirth-certifikit-pimping harridan like PG is the fourth-best exemplar of the conservative blogosphere, then we need a new label.
| 1096 |
Sharmuta Tue, Jan 6, 2009 10:46:48am |
re: #1089 motorcycleboy
I grow weary of your tolerance issues. Tolerance, by it's nature, creates a boundary between itself and that which is not tolerable. You are entitled to your own personal level of tolerance- your boundary may or may not match that of other people, nor paint a very pretty picture of yourself. In your case- it doesn't.
However- you do not have the right to impose your tolerance levels on anyone else. Your right to Free Exercise stops when it infringes upon mine. Creationism is just that. I'm not interested in living in a creationist society that shuns evolution and science but still reaps the rewards. If I was, I'd move to saudi arabia.
One last thing- I don't think you've thought through your "conservative" title. You're not an American conservative at all- you have little understanding of the brilliance of the First Amendment. How you can sit there with a straight face (I assume) and call yourself a conservative yet call for free speech restrictions and intelligent design in the classrooms is stunning. And don't tell me you didn't advocate ID, Mr. Our-faith-must-be-respected-in-the-science-classroom.
You are not a conservative.
| 1097 |
Salamantis Tue, Jan 6, 2009 10:53:11am |
re: #1096 Sharmuta
I grow weary of your tolerance issues. Tolerance, by it's nature, creates a boundary between itself and that which is not tolerable. You are entitled to your own personal level of tolerance- your boundary may or may not match that of other people, nor paint a very pretty picture of yourself. In your case- it doesn't.
However- you do not have the right to impose your tolerance levels on anyone else. Your right to Free Exercise stops when it infringes upon mine. Creationism is just that. I'm not interested in living in a creationist society that shuns evolution and science but still reaps the rewards. If I was, I'd move to saudi arabia.
One last thing- I don't think you've thought through your "conservative" title. You're not an American conservative at all- you have little understanding of the brilliance of the First Amendment. How you can sit there with a straight face (I assume) and call yourself a conservative yet call for free speech restrictions and intelligent design in the classrooms is stunning. And don't tell me you didn't advocate ID, Mr. Our-faith-must-be-respected-in-the-science-classro om.
You are not a conservative.
You are, of course, correct. The Religious Right are not conservative. Instead, they are much better described as Radical Regressives.
| 1098 |
Throbert McGee Tue, Jan 6, 2009 10:56:28am |
re: #1080 Sharmuta
Creationism3.) the doctrine that God immediately creates out of nothing a new human soul for each individual born.
Because it has nothing to do with evolution.
Well, I would certainly disagree with my esteemed colleague Sharmuta on this last assertion. The question of whether human consciousness is entirely explainable by naturalistic evolution, or if at some point God stepped into the process to bestow a supernatural soul on our proto-human ancestors, is of major concern to those who accept some form of "theistic evolution."
I would go so far as to say that the matter of the supernatural soul is THE central issue distinguishing "theistic evolution" (TE) from "atheistic evolution" -- since, in theory, a TE subscriber would be willing to admit for the sake of argument that every other stage of evolution proceeded naturalistically (that is, God refrained from supernatural intervention, even though He could have chosen to speed up or guide evolution in a miraculous way).
But the point that humans have a non-evolved, non-naturalistic soul distinguishing us from other primates is, I would think, a matter that a TE-ist would regard as not up for debate.
| 1099 |
motorcycleboy Tue, Jan 6, 2009 10:57:25am |
re: #1093 Salamantis
self-proclaimed Christians, such as Jeremiah Wright, Fred Phelps and Alan Keyes, who I wouldn't spit on if they were on fire.
The key phrase being "self-proclaimed". Anyway I agree with Keyes a lot more than the other two.
| 1100 |
motorcycleboy Tue, Jan 6, 2009 10:59:42am |
re: #1096 Sharmuta
How you can sit there with a straight face (I assume) and call yourself a conservative yet call for free speech restrictions and intelligent design in the classrooms is stunning.
I did no such thing. I am for tolerance of opposing views, even in the classroom.
| 1101 |
Sharmuta Tue, Jan 6, 2009 11:04:01am |
re: #1100 motorcycleboy
Liar.
In the classroom, including science class, the faithful among us should have their beliefs respected.
And you're a poor one at that.
| 1102 |
motorcycleboy Tue, Jan 6, 2009 11:10:08am |
re: #1073 Charles
No, you do not have that "right." No one has that right in America. Freedom of expression is a constitutional right, and that means you have absolutely no grounds to demand that anyone refrain from ridiculing you or challenging your beliefs. You're espousing an un-American viewpoint, and you'd probably be happier in a theocracy, where your rules could be enforced by law
Chuck's fictitious elementary science class:
CHARLES: Good morning class, today we'll discuss the latest advances in quark theory, followed by a chronology of the first femtosecond of the universe as documented by the Hubble Telescope, followed by a snack. Then I'll share some of my photos of the sky, a bicycle and the beach.
LITTLE JOHNNY: Mr. Chuck, mommy said God made the universe.
CHARLES: SHUT UP you little twerp! I told you THERE IS NO GOD, you don't have a right to discuss that in this CLASSROOM! We are all SCIENTISTS here, beginning the moment you step into this classroom! Save the preaching for the playground! Besides you can't prove there's a God, you miserable little cretin! Now take off that stupid yarmulke! And don't come into this class again with those creepy-looking curly locks hanging down, or I'll make you eat these non-kosher pickles!
LITTLE DAVID: Mr. Chuck, I have to go to the baffroom.
CHARLES: FORGET IT, you little jerk, you can't PROVE you have to go to the bathroom, it's all DOGMA! According to Darwinian theory, you should be able to hold it for at least another .9 hours, or 54-times-ten-to-the-eighth nanoseconds!
___
Okay, it's over the top. Satire. I'm not above a little 'ridicule' myself, when it serves a specific purpose (not that it isn't much more civil than the denizens in opposition). But my point is, Charles, your science teacher career would be REALLY SHORT.
Now report to the Principal's office.
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Salamantis Tue, Jan 6, 2009 11:13:00am |
re: #1098 Throbert McGee
Well, I would certainly disagree with my esteemed colleague Sharmuta on this last assertion. The question of whether human consciousness is entirely explainable by naturalistic evolution, or if at some point God stepped into the process to bestow a supernatural soul on our proto-human ancestors, is of major concern to those who accept some form of "theistic evolution."
I would go so far as to say that the matter of the supernatural soul is THE central issue distinguishing "theistic evolution" (TE) from "atheistic evolution" -- since, in theory, a TE subscriber would be willing to admit for the sake of argument that every other stage of evolution proceeded naturalistically (that is, God refrained from supernatural intervention, even though He could have chosen to speed up or guide evolution in a miraculous way).
But the point that humans have a non-evolved, non-naturalistic soul distinguishing us from other primates is, I would think, a matter that a TE-ist would regard as not up for debate.
Which means that they wouldn't wanna read this book:
I Am a Strange Loop
by Douglas R. Hofstadter (the guy who wrote Godel, Escher Bach: An Eternal Golden Braid):
[Link: www.amazon.com...]
Enjoy your look inside!
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Sharmuta Tue, Jan 6, 2009 11:13:48am |
re: #1105 jaunte
You're much less colorful in your adjectives.
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Charles Johnson Tue, Jan 6, 2009 11:13:55am |
And with that pile of hateful, insulting garbage, I bid you adieu.
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Salamantis Tue, Jan 6, 2009 11:14:30am |
re: #1099 motorcycleboy
The key phrase being "self-proclaimed". Anyway I agree with Keyes a lot more than the other two.
Trying the No True Scotsman Fallacy again?
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jaunte Tue, Jan 6, 2009 11:14:49am |
re: #1106 Sharmuta
It's hard to give that idiot much energy today.
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Throbert McGee Tue, Jan 6, 2009 11:17:05am |
re: #1098 Throbert McGee
But the point that humans have a non-evolved, non-naturalistic soul distinguishing us from other primates is, I would think, a matter that a TE-ist would regard as not up for debate.
Following up on this: I think that the Roman Catholic church would also insist that the "Fall of Man" as a historic event is non-negotiable. By "historic event" they don't necessarily mean that an actual talking snake was involved, and they certainly don't say that it only happened 6,000 years ago.
But they do insist that the Genesis account of Adam's Fall was not merely a metaphorical way of describing a gradualistic development of moral intelligence among entire populations of proto-humans over many centuries and generations. Rather, it was an "event" in that the ability to distinguish Good and Evil happened overnight, involved a small number of persons (perhaps just one couple!) who were ancestral to all of us, and was supernaturally mediated by the participation of Mr. Lucifer Q. Satan himself, whether or not he actually took the form of a serpent.
Of course, this is pretty closely related to the idea of the supernatural soul -- just a different wrinkle on it.
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Sharmuta Tue, Jan 6, 2009 11:19:53am |
re: #1110 Throbert McGee
I would love to discuss souls sometimes with you, but sadly it is not at the present moment that I have the ability to partake in such a conversation. Another time I hope, or perhaps I'll check back here on this thread later, but for the time being, I must be off.
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Salamantis Tue, Jan 6, 2009 11:21:29am |
re: #1110 Throbert McGee
Following up on this: I think that the Roman Catholic church would also insist that the "Fall of Man" as a historic event is non-negotiable. By "historic event" they don't necessarily mean that an actual talking snake was involved, and they certainly don't say that it only happened 6,000 years ago.
But they do insist that the Genesis account of Adam's Fall was not merely a metaphorical way of describing a gradualistic development of moral intelligence among entire populations of proto-humans over many centuries and generations. Rather, it was an "event" in that the ability to distinguish Good and Evil happened overnight, involved a small number of persons (perhaps just one couple!) who were ancestral to all of us, and was supernaturally mediated by the participation of Mr. Lucifer Q. Satan himself, whether or not he actually took the form of a serpent.
Of course, this is pretty closely related to the idea of the supernatural soul -- just a different wrinkle on it.
Yeah, but the problem with that is that Mitochondrial Eve and Y-Chromosomal Adam lived at least 30 millennia apart - and Eve was first on the scene:
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
| 1113 |
Salamantis Tue, Jan 6, 2009 11:37:03am |
Yep; I could feel it coming on. He couldn't win any of the various and sundry debates on the merits, and increasingly realized as much, so he opted for the grand gesture flameout meltdown, and decided to go out in a blaze of gory (not a typo).
My guess is that he's already queueing up somewhere to collect on his martyr points about now. I don't think he'll be able to get any celestial raisins for them, though. Just some back-slapping praise from some other anti-science losers.
| 1114 |
Aye Pod Tue, Jan 6, 2009 12:32:13pm |
re: #1102 motorcycleboy
Okay, it's over the top. Satire.
That stupid drivel was certainly laughable! I bet none of us could invent a creationist 'moby' character that matched the complete and utter idiocy, not to mention obnoxiousness, of the real thing in it's wild state as seen here.
What's really funny is that these maroons don't realise the great work they are doing in helping to convince any waverers out there reading these threads of just how intellectually and morally bankrupt the creationism/ID lot are.
| 1115 |
Cato the Elder Tue, Jan 6, 2009 12:36:48pm |
re: #1098 Throbert McGee
But the point that humans have a non-evolved, non-naturalistic soul distinguishing us from other primates is, I would think, a matter that a TE-ist would regard as not up for debate.
How do you define (much less prove) the state of being you call having a "non-evolved, non-naturalistic soul" in terms other than those of mere dogma?
I'm truly interested in this question, not trying to shine you on.
If primates (and other animals too) exhibit social structure, empathy, family cohesion, memory, great learning ability, etc., who are we to say that our souls are supernatural and unique instead of evolved? And why would an evolved soul not be acceptable to the Deity? Why insist on the creation-from-nothing of the soul while allowing all other theistic creation to be via evolution?
On a personal scale, I know from experience that animals are not mere automata. They exist within their given limits, but how can we know that there is not some sort of spectrum of being "ensouled" that they exist along, with ourselves at a different level of development?
And does the theistic evolutionist maintain that the entire universe exists as a proving ground for human souls vis-a-vis eternity, or is it possible that it has other purposes too that have nothing to do with us?
| 1116 |
Aye Pod Tue, Jan 6, 2009 12:41:15pm |
re: #1113 Salamantis
My guess is that he's already queueing up somewhere to collect on his martyr points about now. I don't think he'll be able to get any celestial raisins for them, though. Just some back-slapping praise from some other anti-science losers.
They don't get any raisins. Those who 'die' striving in the cause of creationism on LGF get a special 3:00 am visit from Rev Ted Haggard.
| 1117 |
Aye Pod Tue, Jan 6, 2009 1:04:07pm |
Cato - interesting post which to me brings to light the issue of religion's horror of matter. If it's 'merely' material then it's no good, for some reason(s).
One of my favourite quotes, from Giulio Giorelli, a neuroscientist who is also an atheist:
"Yes, we have a soul, but it's made of lots of tiny robots."
| 1118 |
Salamantis Tue, Jan 6, 2009 1:35:40pm |
re: #1117 Jimmah
Cato - interesting post which to me brings to light the issue of religion's horror of matter. If it's 'merely' material then it's no good, for some reason(s).
One of my favourite quotes, from Giulio Giorelli, a neuroscientist who is also an atheist:
"Yes, we have a soul, but it's made of lots of tiny robots."
I don't know whether or not you have seen these two blog posts of mine, Jimmah, but I'm reasonably certain you'd enjoy them:
[Link: blog.myspace.com...]
[Link: blog.myspace.com...]
| 1119 |
Throbert McGee Tue, Jan 6, 2009 1:36:47pm |
re: #1115 Cato the Elder
How do you define (much less prove) the state of being you call having a "non-evolved, non-naturalistic soul" in terms other than those of mere dogma?
It would be "defined" by its supernatural-ness, I suppose -- and its existence would be asserted dogmatically (or maybe "accepted axiomatically by believers," to use a less loaded phrase.
I should clarify that I do not, in fact, believe in such a soul. To be more specific, I would deny that we have souls while we are alive, and insist that every aspect of our consciousness is ultimately explicable in naturalistic terms. However, I am "agnostic" on the possibility that God somehow converts our naturalistic consciousness into a supernatural, immortal soul when our physical brain dies. (Here is my slightly more detailed argument on this topic.)
If primates (and other animals too) exhibit social structure, empathy, family cohesion, memory, great learning ability, etc., who are we to say that our souls are supernatural and unique instead of evolved? And why would an evolved soul not be acceptable to the Deity? Why insist on the creation-from-nothing of the soul while allowing all other theistic creation to be via evolution?
Again, I'm not a believer in supernatural souls, but the basic answer to your objections here would be that other theological assumptions of traditional religious thinking are seen as requiring the existence of a supernatural soul. For example, I think Christians would say that the Salvation accomplished by Jesus Christ's death and resurrection in some way implies that there was a supernatural aspect to the Knowledge of Good and Evil; to explain human moral awareness in purely naturalistic terms would thus "falsify" a central doctrine of Christianity.
I should further clarify that I was raised Catholic, and so I'm badly paraphrasing from memory the way that the Vatican attempts to integrate the Genesis account into an understanding of biological evolution. But I believe that Protestants and Eastern Orthodox Christians and Jews who accept some version of "theistic evolution" would make approximately the same sorts of arguments that the Catholic church does to justify their belief in a supernatural soul.
And does the theistic evolutionist maintain that the entire universe exists as a proving ground for human souls vis-a-vis eternity, or is it possible that it has other purposes too that have nothing to do with us?
"Theistic evolutionist" is an extremely broad umbrella that can cover people from all sorts of religious backgrounds -- so while some would say (naively, in my opinion) that Earth and human beings are the primary purpose for the rest of the Universe existing, other theists are entirely open to the possibility that intelligent, morally aware lifeforms exist on a multiplicity of planets throughout the Universe, and that God made the Universe as big as it is, and with that annoying light-speed limit, so that we wouldn't and couldn't meddle with each other.
| 1120 |
Throbert McGee Tue, Jan 6, 2009 1:42:18pm |
Come to think of it, if you look in the LGF Dictionary, you'll find that the term "lizardoid" was first used here by me, but not in the sense that it would later be popularized (i.e., "the lizardoid army," referring to LGF regulars). And as it happens, I used the word while having essentially this same conversation, in answer to someone else who said "I've never heard that an Earth-centric cosmology was central to Christianity":
I can assure you that even today, many Christians would steadfastly maintain that Earth is the center of Creation, albeit not of the physical universe.
Moreover, if on some distant planet a hapless seven-legged lizardoid is right now being devoured by a carnivorous telepathic carrot, the poor creature's agonies are entirely the responsibility of Adam and Eve, for it was by humankind's Sin that death and suffering entered into God's perfect creation.
| 1121 |
greginseattle Tue, Jan 6, 2009 1:45:10pm |
re: #1102 motorcycleboy
I love your parady, Motorcycle. Accurate and funny!
It seems a few around here are pretty humorless when it comes to this particular topic.
Before I get pounced (again), let me say I really enjoy LGF, and Charles is almost always right on most subjects. I even agree with him on this one to some extent, just not the degree to which it's discussed here.
| 1122 |
Charles Johnson Tue, Jan 6, 2009 1:47:29pm |
re: #1121 greginseattle
Then you can join that creep wherever he is now, because you're not welcome at LGF.
| 1123 |
Salamantis Tue, Jan 6, 2009 2:06:50pm |
re: #1121 greginseattle
I love your parady, Motorcycle. Accurate and funny!
It seems a few around here are pretty humorless when it comes to this particular topic.
Before I get pounced (again), let me say I really enjoy LGF, and Charles is almost always right on most subjects. I even agree with him on this one to some extent, just not the degree to which it's discussed here.
Here would be a more accurate exchange:
Charles: ...and so the red shift coefficient of the Big Bang echo background echo radiation allows us to state that it happened around 13.7 billion years ago...
Kid: Mommy says that God created the Universe!
Charles: Your Mommy may believe that, but in science class, we stick with what we can know. And how can we come to know things, kids?
Class: Experimental investigation and empirical evidence!
Charles: And do we have any empirical evidence that someone created the Universe?
Class: No!
Charles: But do we have any empirical evidence that someone did NOT create the Universe?
Class: No!
Charles: And is there any way that we can empirically investigate and test to see whether or not someone created the Universe?
Class: No! No way at all!
Charles: And that means...?
Class: We can't know it, so it isn't science! And it doesn't belong in a science class!
Charles: Very good. Now, let's look at how identical artifactual retroviral DNA sequences, showing identical degrees of genetic degradation, found at identical sites in the 3 billion base pair genomes of humans and great apes, demonstrate that they and we evolutionarily diverged from common ancestors a few million years ago...
| 1124 |
Throbert McGee Tue, Jan 6, 2009 2:07:57pm |
re: #1115 Cato the Elder
And does the theistic evolutionist maintain that the entire universe exists as a proving ground for human souls vis-a-vis eternity, or is it possible that it has other purposes too that have nothing to do with us?
As to what those other purposes might be, one science-fiction author suggested that God carried out the Garden of Eden drama on countless planets throughout the Universe, testing His creations with the temptation of the forbidden fruit, until finally somewhere (but not on planet Earth!) they passed the test:
The Creator stepped closer, and held out His arms. The man and the woman came to Him, and He enfolded them in light and pressed them to Him. ''On a million million worlds I have slaves and worshippers,'' He said softly. ''But here, at last, I have My children.''
You can read the entire story, and find out exactly how the man and the woman passed the test, right here.
And elsewhere, I have whimsically suggested that on a distant planet there might be purple, scaly, ammonia-breathing people who were Chosen by God to be a light unto the nations of THAT planet, and who keep kosher in a manner alien but analogous to human kashrut, and whose code of sexual morality is appropriate for their reproductive biology (which may involve egg-laying or three genders or whatnot), and so forth.
But they'd still be essentially Jews, even if they were purple and scaly, breathed ammonia, had three genders, and laid eggs -- because they were the ones to whom the Creator had revealed His law on that particular planet, and because they keep His law.
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