Emerson: Why Does The New York Times Love Hamas?

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Steve Emerson asks: Why Does The New York Times Love Hamas?

In the past week, the Fourth Estate’s Hamas cheerleaders have stripped away any pretense of being honest or neutral, with the New York Times continuing to take the side of the terrorist group in one of the most shameful journalistic episodes I have ever seen. In following the Times coverage for the past six months and checking external sources of information, one can see a clear pattern of propagandistic reporting favoring Hamas that selectively suppressed or willfully misrepresented information.

It’s bizarre and disgusting to see much of America’s media making excuses for a bloodthirsty, openly genocidal death cult. Something is deeply wrong with journalism in this country.

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164 comments
1 Dustyvet  Tue, Jan 6, 2009 9:36:40am

All the Hamas lies that are fit to print!

2 Wyatt Earp  Tue, Jan 6, 2009 9:36:52am

There is something wrong with journalism in this country: Good, honest, hard-working people are avoiding the profession like the plague.

3 Sharmuta  Tue, Jan 6, 2009 9:37:14am

The media is part of the problem.

4 Wishing  Tue, Jan 6, 2009 9:37:16am

They aren't Republicans?

5 newsjunkie_ky  Tue, Jan 6, 2009 9:38:32am

What's not to love?
///nyslimes

6 OldLineTexan  Tue, Jan 6, 2009 9:38:37am

re: #4 Wishing

They aren't Republicans?

That's succinct, and likely correct.

7 Kragar  Tue, Jan 6, 2009 9:39:01am

There is no journalism in the news anymore, just activism in print.

8 eschew_obfuscation  Tue, Jan 6, 2009 9:39:01am

The New York Times is dying.

I won't be attending the funeral.

9 freedombilly  Tue, Jan 6, 2009 9:39:06am

Birds of a feather.....

10 Wyatt Earp  Tue, Jan 6, 2009 9:39:07am

re: #4 Wishing

They aren't Republicans?

Well, they certainly aren't free-thinkers who possess the gift of common sense.

11 bosforus  Tue, Jan 6, 2009 9:39:30am

Unfortunately, people see the NYT as "the ultimate newspaper". Hopefully it will disgust enough people to go bankrupt. Unfortunately, there might just be enough wackos out there to keep it in print.

12 OldLineTexan  Tue, Jan 6, 2009 9:39:31am

Plus, Hamas aren't Zionist honcos...

13 yma o hyd  Tue, Jan 6, 2009 9:39:37am

Charles said:
'It’s bizarre and disgusting to see much of America’s media making excuses for a bloodthirsty, openly genocidal death cult. Something is deeply wrong with journalism in this country.'

Something is as deeply wrong with journalism in the UK as well - can't speak for the rest of Europe, but in view of the antisemitic attacks on synagogues in France, for example, I'd say that applies right across the board.

14 freedombilly  Tue, Jan 6, 2009 9:39:38am

Because Israel is evil. Didn't you get the memo?

15 Indefatigable  Tue, Jan 6, 2009 9:40:14am

NYT favors terrorists.

In other news, water is wet.

16 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Jan 6, 2009 9:40:16am

The NYT is run by kapos.
No wonder they're going out of business.
The Boston Globe has been a little better; they will actually print pro-Israel letters to the editor.
But none of mine recently. (I've sent three in just over a week.) In fact, I used to get a confirmation that they received the email; I don't get one now. I'm probably on their spam blacklist.

17 CIA Reject  Tue, Jan 6, 2009 9:40:30am

I think media bias in favor of terrorist organizations is a symptom of a larger problem: that problem being a society that is ever more willing to give itself over to Evil.

18 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Tue, Jan 6, 2009 9:40:34am

Times news and editorial policy is being driven by Rovian moles planted inside the paper.

Impervious to attack from without, the NYT will be destroyed "from within" -- driven into fiscal bankruptcy.

What A Magnificent Bastard!

/

19 bosforus  Tue, Jan 6, 2009 9:40:48am

Honcos!

20 Sharmuta  Tue, Jan 6, 2009 9:40:49am

re: #8 eschew_obfuscation

The New York Times is dying.

I won't be attending the funeral.

We can light the funeral pyre with their product. I'd attend the nyt's funeral just for that bit of irony.

21 unrealizedviewpoint  Tue, Jan 6, 2009 9:40:51am

NYT

22 pat  Tue, Jan 6, 2009 9:40:59am

Because they are in favor of the deconstruction of the Western world. They have lost their sense of reason. They have become fixated on the anti-USA.

23 Dizzy  Tue, Jan 6, 2009 9:41:01am

OT
The Muqata reports that mortars were fired at IDF from the UN school that was hit.
http://muqata.blogspot.com/

24 IgofAntioch  Tue, Jan 6, 2009 9:41:18am

re: #8 eschew_obfuscation

The New York Times is dying.

I won't be attending the funeral.

Is there any way to accelerate this demise or are they doing a pretty good job of it on their own?

25 akak  Tue, Jan 6, 2009 9:41:23am

2009 1939

maybe they think they will be safe when Islam turns to them

26 Indefatigable  Tue, Jan 6, 2009 9:41:43am

Seriously, though, when is the public going to finally rid itself of this horrible rag?

27 bosforus  Tue, Jan 6, 2009 9:41:56am

re: #21 unrealizedviewpoint

NYT

Brilliant!
Er, I mean, vandalism is bad.

28 Erik The Red  Tue, Jan 6, 2009 9:42:05am

Is the NYT still in business? I thought there stock price was like junk bonds. And their reporting is even worse.

29 opinionated  Tue, Jan 6, 2009 9:42:07am

They don't love Hamas.

If Egypt or Jordan was battling Hamas, they would side with Egypt or Jordan.

They hate Israel

30 Ojoe  Tue, Jan 6, 2009 9:42:21am

In these questions, I think one sees the basic division between those who are on the side of life and those who are not.

31 IslandLibertarian  Tue, Jan 6, 2009 9:42:43am

When I saw students waving the flag of North Vietnam on my college campus, I had a feeling that something was terribly wrong with the mindset of the Peace Movement.
They've now grown up and have jobs, some in journalism.
Still, something is wrong with them.........

Power to the Correct People!
(They don't support Terrorists!)

32 Wyatt Earp  Tue, Jan 6, 2009 9:42:46am

re: #25 akak

2009 1939

maybe they think they will be safe when Islam turns to them

The irony is that most liberals will be first on the list. They execute gays over there and give women ZERO rights.

33 MarineMomSue  Tue, Jan 6, 2009 9:42:48am

using the NYT to line the bottom of a birdcage could be considered bird abuse.

34 akak  Tue, Jan 6, 2009 9:42:49am

re: #28 Erik The Red

Is the NYT still in business? I thought there stock price was like junk bonds. And their reporting is even worse.

they are gonna get bailout $$$

35 Kragar  Tue, Jan 6, 2009 9:43:00am

I see the whole "UN School Massacre" is gaining steam with the MSM, and thats without even having reporters in Gaza or the IDF releasing their report yet.

36 CIA Reject  Tue, Jan 6, 2009 9:43:19am

re: #30 Ojoe

In these questions, I think one sees the basic division between those who are on the side of life and those who are not.

Very true: upding on ya!

37 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Jan 6, 2009 9:43:20am

re: #23 Dizzy

OT
The Muqata reports that mortars were fired at IDF from the UN school that was hit.
http://muqata.blogspot.com/

And the secondary explosions were due to booby trap bombs.
Well, they got the boobs good!

38 ThinkRight  Tue, Jan 6, 2009 9:43:37am
Why Does The New York Times Love Hamas?


Cause they kill jews

39 Dustyvet  Tue, Jan 6, 2009 9:43:38am

re: #25 akak

2009 1939

maybe they think they will be safe when Islam turns to them


You mean turns on them?

40 HippieforLife  Tue, Jan 6, 2009 9:43:51am

With the O's latest pick for director of the CIA it shows that he does not actually believe that terrorists exist!

The NYT could at least present both sides of the story but that would be responsible journalism.

41 unrealizedviewpoint  Tue, Jan 6, 2009 9:44:00am

re: #27 bosforus

Brilliant!
Er, I mean, vandalism is bad.

I should know better then post a pic like that. Just yesterday we were all yelling at "right brain," or whatever his name.

42 DeafDog  Tue, Jan 6, 2009 9:44:06am

Why does the NYT report on waterboarding and call it torture?

Why does the NYT publish details on US efforts to derail terrorist financing?

Why does the NYT publish details of terrorist surveilance and call it warrentless wiretaps?

Why does the NYT claim McCain had an affair on flimsy evidence (but not give any credence to the Edwards affair rumors)?

Why does the NYT send a team of reporters to Alaska to vet Palin, but not send a team of reporters to Chicago to vet Obama?

Why did the NYT white-wash the holocaust in the 1930's and 1940's?

and finally....

Why does the NYT wonder why they are losing market share?

43 Nevergiveup  Tue, Jan 6, 2009 9:44:40am

Nancy the whore Pelosi is dragging her grandkids onto the house floor. What an ass.

44 lawhawk  Tue, Jan 6, 2009 9:44:46am

Why does the WaPo allow terrorists to editorialize (as it has done in the past and reported here)? Why does the Guardian give column inches to Khalid Meshaal.

The editorial staff may claim that it's to provide competing viewpoints, but they are allowing terrorists and the embodiment of evil to spread their messages of hate, lies, and agitprop to those who aren't or can't get factual reporting from those same sources because of institutional bias.

And as bad as the NYT is, MSNBC is far far worse.

Jules Crittenden has similar thoughts.

45 Ojoe  Tue, Jan 6, 2009 9:44:52am

re: #36 CIA Reject

Thanx

BBL

46 Wishing  Tue, Jan 6, 2009 9:44:58am

re: #17 CIA Reject

I think media bias in favor of terrorist organizations is a symptom of a larger problem: that problem being a society that is ever more willing to give itself over to Evil.

I agree, CIA: something is different now, there is a violent rhetoric that has become acceptable, with an almost mindless brush-off of violent behavior, both here in the US and abroad.
It is as if we have crossed some line.

47 opnion  Tue, Jan 6, 2009 9:45:03am

The problem with the MSM starts with J school. They think that their mission is to create a better world as they see it through social engineering rather than reporting the news.

48 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Jan 6, 2009 9:45:09am

re: #38 ThinkRight

Why Does The New York Times Love Hamas?


Cause they kill jews


The NYT is largely owned by Jews, who I guess figure they'll get eaten by the alligator last.

49 Ringo the Gringo  Tue, Jan 6, 2009 9:45:36am
Something is deeply wrong with journalism in this country.

The real problem is in the universities where these journalists taught the mantra of "social justice" and are steeped in the moral relativism that they mistake for objectivity.

50 Kragar  Tue, Jan 6, 2009 9:45:37am

re: #43 Nevergiveup

Nancy the whore Pelosi is dragging her grandkids onto the house floor. What an ass.

"Someday children, none of this will mean anything because of the work I'm doing here today."

51 bianchi_roadie  Tue, Jan 6, 2009 9:45:37am

re: #11 bosforus

The people that consider the NYT to be the "Paper of Record" are those that share the same mindset, so it's an echo chamber for their views. Those that don't share those views have stopped reading it a long time ago.

I wonder if part of the problem is the costs of the op-ed and star reporter salaries led to an over-dependence on local stringers to provide material. Hamas operatives just have to pose as local journalists and spoon feed the propaganda.

That doesn't explain everything, but does lead to staged photos, one-sided local reports, etc.

52 Dustyvet  Tue, Jan 6, 2009 9:45:43am

re: #43 Nevergiveup

Nancy the whore Pelosi is dragging her grandkids onto the house floor. What an ass.

Maybe the floor needed waxing again?

53 turn  Tue, Jan 6, 2009 9:45:43am

This was the first link I hit this morning, and the NYT's bias couldn't be more obvious:

[Link: news.myway.com...]

54 nyc redneck  Tue, Jan 6, 2009 9:45:49am

the nyt and most of the msm are leftist scum.
because they hate america, it is easy for them to throw in w/ any outfit, no matter how despicable, if that group also hates america and what we stand for.

by the same token, the msm will hate our allies. ie. israel.
the msm is the enemy and they are flaunting it.

55 Nevergiveup  Tue, Jan 6, 2009 9:45:59am

re: #48 Kosh's Shadow

The NYT is largely owned by Jews, who I guess figure they'll get eaten by the alligator last.

It's sad but old story.

56 jackjones  Tue, Jan 6, 2009 9:46:21am

you mean to tell me that hamas isn't just a group of repressed freedom fighters? I thought that all that food aid money going to rockets was a plausible solution to feed the starving children of gaza. After all, they have to survive on grass clippings but they are cool with that as long as they can keep firing their "freedom" rockets into israel. Who cares that Israel gave them back the gaza strip a few years ago. They have prospered there by turning greenhouses into rocket launch pads. And that old synagogue they destroyed was just in the way of their new "islamic school" where they memorize the koran and prepare to become human time bombs. The poor poor people of gaza are just misunderstood you see. They only want peace with their neighbors. How dare anyone actually call them terrorists and murderers. They are poor repressed freedom fighters fighting the big bad israel. I mean those israelis who were killed by those rockets just got in the way. Silly israelis won;t just let the poor freedom fighters push them into the sea. Those poor poor repressed people of gaza. I am shedding a tear for them right now. They are so misunderstood. If jihad is cool, then consider them miles davis!

57 bosforus  Tue, Jan 6, 2009 9:46:35am

re: #25 akak

2009 1939

maybe they think they will be safe when Islam turns to them

Mein Kampf sales in Turkey
Article is from March '05.
Turkey Shrugs Off Success of Hitler's 'Mein Kampf'
[Link: www.jihadwatch.org...]

58 Kenneth  Tue, Jan 6, 2009 9:46:38am

Carl in Jerusalem reports:


Israel Radio is reporting that Hamas terrorists have been seen in Gaza dragging children by their ears into hiding places in the hope that the children's presence will prevent the IDF from targeting the terrorists.

Hamas forces children to act as human shields.

Monsters.

59 ThinkRight  Tue, Jan 6, 2009 9:46:39am

re: #48 Kosh's Shadow

The NYT is largely owned by Jews, who I guess figure they'll get eaten by the alligator last.


Self loathing ,American hating Jews maybe

60 eschew_obfuscation  Tue, Jan 6, 2009 9:46:40am

re: #24 IgofAntioch

Is there any way to accelerate this demise or are they doing a pretty good job of it on their own?

Last I heard, they were considering selling their building in New York to raise capital.

I think they're committing suicide by printing things no one wants to read. People stop buying the paper.

The fastest way to the demise of the Times is to ignore them.

61 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Tue, Jan 6, 2009 9:46:41am

re: #3 Sharmuta

The media is part of the problem.

From a certain perspective, the media IS the problem. The Fourth Estate is supposed to be a source of information for the citizenry, the Guardian of the Republic. Garbage like Islamism will always be with us, but the Fourth Estate is supposed to help us survive it.

The Fourth Estate isn't doing its job. If it had been, this Palestinian problem would have been fixed decades ago. Therefore, the longer the problem has continued, the more the blame for that continuation comes to roost on those who are perpetuating it.

62 The Other Les  Tue, Jan 6, 2009 9:46:42am

re: #22 pat

Because they are in favor of the deconstruction of the Western world. They have lost their sense of reason. They have become fixated on the anti-USA.

They've become the enemy.

63 Noah's Arrrgh  Tue, Jan 6, 2009 9:46:58am

Why Does The New York Times Love Hamas?

Probably for the same reason the NYT loved the Soviet Union (cf. Walter Duranty)

64 dentate  Tue, Jan 6, 2009 9:47:01am

Israel hits a UN elementary school where terrorists are hiding and from which there is clear pictorial and other evidence of rockets being fired. People get hurt. HORRORS! Hamas fires rockets that hit two kindergartens, in Beersheba and Ashkelon, but no one is hurt because Israel protects its citizens rather than using them as shields. MSM doesn't even mention it. WHAT IS WRONG WITH THIS PICTURE?

/Aaarrggggh!

65 [deleted]  Tue, Jan 6, 2009 9:47:07am
66 DeafDog  Tue, Jan 6, 2009 9:47:12am

Why does the NYT publish picture from Abu Grab over and over and over, but then decline to publish cartoons that depict Mohamed?

67 Dustyvet  Tue, Jan 6, 2009 9:47:19am

The Scorpion and the Frog
One day, a scorpion looked around at the mountain where he lived and decided that he wanted a change. So he set out on a journey through the forests and hills. He climbed over rocks and under vines and kept going until he reached a river.

The river was wide and swift, and the scorpion stopped to reconsider the situation. He couldn't see any way across. So he ran upriver and then checked downriver, all the while thinking that he might have to turn back.

Suddenly, he saw a frog sitting in the rushes by the bank of the stream on the other side of the river. He decided to ask the frog for help getting across the stream.

"Hellooo Mr. Frog!" called the scorpion across the water, "Would you be so kind as to give me a ride on your back across the river?"

"Well now, Mr. Scorpion! How do I know that if I try to help you, you wont try to kill me?" asked the frog hesitantly.

"Because," the scorpion replied, "If I try to kill you, then I would die too, for you see I cannot swim!"

Now this seemed to make sense to the frog. But he asked. "What about when I get close to the bank? You could still try to kill me and get back to the shore!"

"This is true," agreed the scorpion, "But then I wouldn't be able to get to the other side of the river!"

"Alright then...how do I know you wont just wait till we get to the other side and THEN kill me?" said the frog.

"Ahh...," crooned the scorpion, "Because you see, once you've taken me to the other side of this river, I will be so grateful for your help, that it would hardly be fair to reward you with death, now would it?!"

So the frog agreed to take the scorpion across the river. He swam over to the bank and settled himself near the mud to pick up his passenger. The scorpion crawled onto the frog's back, his sharp claws prickling into the frog's soft hide, and the frog slid into the river. The muddy water swirled around them, but the frog stayed near the surface so the scorpion would not drown. He kicked strongly through the first half of the stream, his flippers paddling wildly against the current.

Halfway across the river, the frog suddenly felt a sharp sting in his back and, out of the corner of his eye, saw the scorpion remove his stinger from the frog's back. A deadening numbness began to creep into his limbs.

"You fool!" croaked the frog, "Now we shall both die! Why on earth did you do that?"

The scorpion shrugged, and did a little jig on the drownings frog's back.

"I could not help myself. It is my nature."

Then they both sank into the muddy waters of the swiftly flowing river.

Self destruction - "Its my Nature", said the Scorpion...

68 Bloodnok  Tue, Jan 6, 2009 9:47:20am

Why does a fly love sh*t?

69 Timbre  Tue, Jan 6, 2009 9:47:50am

Hamas and their supporters (co-conspirators) are masters of the self-fulfilling prophecy. They claim Israel hates them. Then they fire rockets and send suicide bombers into civilian areas, and commit other acts of terrorism, while building their bank accounts worldwide by funneling "charity money to arms sales. Israel defends her population and sovereignty by using military force. Then Hamas and most of the world (according to the New York Times) cries, wails, moans, groans, and protests the loss of life--"see, they hate us, they are the aggressors!" And the cycle continues.

70 [deleted]  Tue, Jan 6, 2009 9:48:11am
71 kansas  Tue, Jan 6, 2009 9:48:21am

I think the why they do this needs to be investigated but is it out of the question that they have simply been bought out?

72 wiffersnapper  Tue, Jan 6, 2009 9:48:52am

Why does the NYT love Hamas? Because they're HAMASEXUALS. ha

73 realwest  Tue, Jan 6, 2009 9:48:57am

I think that the MSM's success in helping Obama get elected has removed from them any sense or need for "fair play" that they may have had left.
That may not have been much, but it does seem that the MSM is truly out of control now.

74 Ringo the Gringo  Tue, Jan 6, 2009 9:49:27am

re: #70 buzzsawmonkey

The Sulzberger family converted to Anglicanism some time ago.

Anglicanism?...I didn't know that.

75 akak  Tue, Jan 6, 2009 9:49:41am

re: #72 wiffersnapper

Why does the NYT love Hamas? Because they're HAMASEXUALS. ha

save the goats, send U.S aid money quick

76 mini_burkha_fan  Tue, Jan 6, 2009 9:49:47am

MSM is full of reports of the Israeli attack on the UN school.

I'm sure one of them will very shortly mention the missiles being launched from the school (see IDF YouTube video).

OK. Not 'very shortly'.... soon.

Allright, not 'soon'... maybe.

OK then. Not 'maybe'... maybe next month.

OK. OK. Sheesh! Never.

77 ThinkRight  Tue, Jan 6, 2009 9:49:59am

re: #73 realwest

I think that the MSM's success in helping Obama get elected has removed from them any sense or need for "fair play" that they may have had left.
That may not have been much, but it does seem that the MSM is truly out of control now.


Emboldened ?

78 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Jan 6, 2009 9:50:01am

re: #64 dentate

Israel hits a UN elementary school where terrorists are hiding and from which there is clear pictorial and other evidence of rockets being fired. People get hurt. HORRORS! Hamas fires rockets that hit two kindergartens, in Beersheba and Ashkelon, but no one is hurt because Israel protects its citizens rather than using them as shields. MSM doesn't even mention it. WHAT IS WRONG WITH THIS PICTURE?

/Aaarrggggh!

Yes, the press thinks shooting rockets that hit schools in Israel is fine, but that it is terrible that Israel shoots back at a school that contained terrorists shooting at them. Jewish children getting hit is fine to them, but Hamas terrorists getting hit is bad, just because they're shooting from a school.
If that isn't anti-Semitism, it is very close

79 Nevergiveup  Tue, Jan 6, 2009 9:50:01am

re: #70 buzzsawmonkey

The Sulzberger family converted to Anglicanism some time ago.

That wouldn't have mattered to Hitler or the Gestapo.

80 Dizzy  Tue, Jan 6, 2009 9:50:05am

re: #37 Kosh's Shadow

I suspect the majority of Palestinian injuries and deaths in this conflict are due to those secondary explosions. I hope that does not deter the IDF from its purpose.

81 albusteve  Tue, Jan 6, 2009 9:50:17am

things will get so bad that the 1st is gonna take a major hit one day....to survive we will have to give up some right and liberties...there is simply no other way it can be...it will not go away on it's own...it will have to be legislated out of existence and maybe not even then...
the MSM is my dire enemy....they get people killed

82 bianchi_roadie  Tue, Jan 6, 2009 9:50:26am

re: #47 opnion

The problem with the MSM starts with J school. They think that their mission is to create a better world as they see it through social engineering rather than reporting the news.

The idea that "Journalism is the first draft of history" meme has given many reporters a false sense that they are needed to steer history. Creating heroes out of reporters also led to a lot of narcissist into J-school so they could become the next Woodward/Bernstein.

83 Dianna  Tue, Jan 6, 2009 9:50:33am

re: #43 Nevergiveup

Nancy the whore Pelosi is dragging her grandkids onto the house floor. What an ass.

I despise Nancy Pelosi probably more than you can, but that's out of line.

84 bosforus  Tue, Jan 6, 2009 9:50:34am

re: #41 unrealizedviewpoint

Maybe so, but if they or anyone else cared to defend the NYT they'd do something about it. Like replace that plastic window.

85 jaunte  Tue, Jan 6, 2009 9:51:01am

re: #79 Nevergiveup

That wouldn't have mattered to Hitler or the Gestapo.

Won't matter to Hamas, either.

86 realwest  Tue, Jan 6, 2009 9:51:07am

re: #77 ThinkRight
Yes, exactly.

87 arcatan  Tue, Jan 6, 2009 9:51:28am

It's simple:

There are three main social forces today in order of power & influence:

#1) Capitalism
#2) Marxism
#3) Islam

Since capitalism is #1, the Marxists and Islam are temporary allies. The Marxists are a little smarter - they are happy to see Islam weaken itself in direct conflict with the capitalists.

88 Nevergiveup  Tue, Jan 6, 2009 9:51:48am

re: #83 Dianna

I despise Nancy Pelosi probably more than you can, but that's out of line.

Why should she be using her grandkids like that?

89 akak  Tue, Jan 6, 2009 9:52:35am

re: #77 ThinkRight

Emboldened ?


We have to help Obama

NBC

90 DeafDog  Tue, Jan 6, 2009 9:52:39am

The answer to all the why questions, IMO, is this:

The NYT guys and gals are trying to be tough by standing up against what they see as "authority" figures (a republican US govt) and so relive the MSM's greatest moment of glory - Watergate.

The truth can be sacrificed if they can just get that one big score.

It's the same disease that Dan Rather has

91 opinionated  Tue, Jan 6, 2009 9:52:46am

Israel is in for a world of hurt. The support of the American people is going to diminish over time.

You can see it happening, not necessarily because old corrupt biased media like the Times and Post and CNN, et al, are against Israel, but because it is becoming hip and stylish to be anti Israel even where the issues of the conflict are transmitted by people who are nothing but ignorant of facts and history.

I caught the Daily Show last night, hosted by hip "Jewish" Jon Stuart. Not only was he attacking Israel - comically (yeah)- but he was attacking American support for Israel.

That is the sewage that will seep into the mainstream.

92 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Jan 6, 2009 9:53:09am

re: #80 Dizzy

I suspect the majority of Palestinian injuries and deaths in this conflict are due to those secondary explosions. I hope that does not deter the IDF from its purpose.

And of course, Hamas thinks it is just fine if "their" people get blown up:

"Being killed is nothing new to us. Martyrdom is nothing new to us. You threaten to kill us?! By Allah, you are threatening us with what we desire more than anything. You are threatening us with what our souls yearn for.


From MEMRI
May the Hamassholes get the thing they desire more than anything.

93 captain joe  Tue, Jan 6, 2009 9:53:21am

In a city of 3 million Jews, the NYT is a hater of Jews. They don't like those little hats.

94 The Other Les  Tue, Jan 6, 2009 9:54:13am

re: #31 IslandLibertarian

When I saw students waving the flag of North Vietnam on my college campus, I had a feeling that something was terribly wrong with the mindset of the Peace Movement.
They've now grown up and have jobs, some in journalism.
Still, something is wrong with them.........

Power to the Correct People!
(They don't support Terrorists!)

It's the Superior Being syndrome in action.

They believe that they superior people because they possess superior knowledge. But "superior knowledge" has to be different from the commonly perceived reality, which means what they believe must automatically be wrong.

This doesn't stop them from saying that they are correct when they clearly are not..

96 realwest  Tue, Jan 6, 2009 9:54:50am

re: #90 DeafDog
Well, you could be right. But I'm inclined to go with my explanation in #73 above.

97 unrealizedviewpoint  Tue, Jan 6, 2009 9:55:01am

re: #66 DeafDog

Why does the NYT publish picture from Abu Grab over and over and over, but then decline to publish cartoons that depict Mohamed?

Because reporting on Abu Grab repeatedly works, as it turns public sentiment against the war. Which of course helps to nominate, then elect a president more likened to their editorial views.
Why decline to publish the Mohammad cartoons? Two reasons. See above answer, and the NYT building makes for a juicy big terror target.

98 Ringo the Gringo  Tue, Jan 6, 2009 9:55:16am

Remember, for the Leftist mind there is no right or wrong, good or bad; there is only weak and strong, rich and poor, privileged and unprivileged.

That's the answer to why the Left (and thus the NY Times) feel the need to make excuses for the West's enemies.

99 albusteve  Tue, Jan 6, 2009 9:55:32am

re: #91 opinionated

Israel is in for a world of hurt. The support of the American people is going to diminish over time.

You can see it happening, not necessarily because old corrupt biased media like the Times and Post and CNN, et al, are against Israel, but because it is becoming hip and stylish to be anti Israel even where the issues of the conflict are transmitted by people who are nothing but ignorant of facts and history.

I caught the Daily Show last night, hosted by hip "Jewish" Jon Stuart. Not only was he attacking Israel - comically (yeah)- but he was attacking American support for Israel.

That is the sewage that will seep into the mainstream.

the fuckers are everywhere...K thru grad school...labor...govt...media...I already feel surrounded and outnumbered

100 TaeJohnDo  Tue, Jan 6, 2009 9:55:55am

re: #72 wiffersnapper

Why does the NYT love Hamas? Because they're HAMASEXUALS. ha

Up ding. (Translation: Wish I said it!)

101 opinionated  Tue, Jan 6, 2009 9:56:16am

re: #93 captain joe

In a city of 3 million Jews, the NYT is a hater of Jews. They don't like those little hats.

The Times did very little to report the Holocaust as it was occurring and was less then enthusiastic about the creation of Israel.

It's been downhill from there.

102 Priebles  Tue, Jan 6, 2009 9:56:26am

Workplace Accident? Is that a bomb-making reinforced shed at that UN School?
Check out this photo: [Link: www.daylife.com...]
I don't see any books, desks, chalkboards, or children. Just a reinforced metal shed inside a building with some curious looking tools visible inside...and a dead (suspected) terrorist.

103 Dianna  Tue, Jan 6, 2009 9:57:15am

re: #88 Nevergiveup

Why should she be using her grandkids like that?

Members bring their kids and grandkids onto the floor on opening day all the time. This isn't "using", necessarily, any more than all members use their families.

And that isn't what I was objecting to.

104 Kenneth  Tue, Jan 6, 2009 9:57:15am

re: #76 mini_burkha_fan

Conflicting reports on incident in Gaza:

U.N. official: 30 dead after Israeli strike near school


Three Israeli artillery shells struck near the perimeter of a U.N. school in northern Gaza on Tuesday, killing at least 30 people and wounding 55, a United Nations official said.

U.N. Relief and Works Agency Director John Ging said most of the casualties were outside the school in the Jabalya refugee camp.

"It's a very built-up area, so of course it was entirely inevitable that if artillery shells landed in that area there would be a high number of casualties," he said at a U.N. briefing from Gaza City.

But a report from Ian Deitch for AP, tells a different story:

Palestinians say Israeli raids near school kill 34

Palestinian medics said 34 people were killed in an Israeli strike outside a U.N. school in the northern Gaza town of Jebaliya. The United Nations confirmed 30 were killed and 55 injured.

An Israeli official says Palestinian militants fired on Israeli soldiers from the courtyard of a U.N. school where dozens of people died in fiery explosions.

The official spoke on condition of anonymity because he said the army is still drafting the country's official response to the incident.

The Israeli official said "hostile fire" was directed at the soldiers from within the school. He said soldiers returned fire and multiple explosions went off, presumably emanating from munitions stored there.

John Ging, head of Gaza operations for the United Nations Relief and Works Agency, said most of the casualties at the U.N. school in Jebaliya, where some 350 people had taken refuge, were outside the building. He did not say whether the artillery came from Israeli forces.

"Fiery explosions" sounds more like the secondary explosions of stored munitions. Artillery & missiles have high blast, low fire explosions.

105 Nevergiveup  Tue, Jan 6, 2009 9:57:53am

re: #102 Priebles

Workplace Accident? Is that a bomb-making reinforced shed at that UN School?
Check out this photo: [Link: www.daylife.com...]
I don't see any books, desks, chalkboards, or children. Just a reinforced metal shed inside a building with some curious looking tools visible inside...and a dead (suspected) terrorist.

If you got alot of desk and books in the way how the hell do you expect them to teach bomb making to kids? Come on now?

106 Wishing  Tue, Jan 6, 2009 9:57:56am

re: #80 Dizzy

I suspect the majority of Palestinian injuries and deaths in this conflict are due to those secondary explosions. I hope that does not deter the IDF from its purpose.

IDF has hit two mosques and now this UN building. I would say they are past being PC.
GO IDF!

107 lifeofthemind  Tue, Jan 6, 2009 9:58:25am

re: #23 Dizzy

OT
The Muqata reports that mortars were fired at IDF from the UN school that was hit.
http://muqata.blogspot.com/

THe Israelis should explicitly root out UNRWA

108 albusteve  Tue, Jan 6, 2009 9:59:44am

re: #107 lifeofthemind

THe Israelis should explicitly root out UNRWA

certainly...the UN is an enemy of Israel, why pretend otherwise

109 Nevergiveup  Tue, Jan 6, 2009 10:00:48am

re: #103 Dianna

Members bring their kids and grandkids onto the floor on opening day all the time. This isn't "using", necessarily, any more than all members use their families.

And that isn't what I was objecting to.

Sh has brought those kids on multiple occasions and has sold her vote , like to the pineapple industry and others, so I still stand by what I said. But I might have phrased it different if I wasn't so mad about things like Al Frankin and others.

110 opnion  Tue, Jan 6, 2009 10:00:51am

re: #73 realwest

I think that the MSM's success in helping Obama get elected has removed from them any sense or need for "fair play" that they may have had left.
That may not have been much, but it does seem that the MSM is truly out of control now.


They were considered on the downswing, loss of viewers, readers & advertising. Then they actually maufacture a persona for BHO. People start getting tingels, talking about Hope & Change, ignoring Obamas past & associations, because the MSM tells them to.
They get this thoroughly unqualified, insipid , empty suit elected.
Of course they're riding high.

111 DistantThunder  Tue, Jan 6, 2009 10:01:45am

People resent anyone or any institution that will hold them accountable if they are corrupt. Israel represents the Bush administration in this equation - and these journalists see Hamas as sticking it to "the man."

This is linked to the anti-authoritarian mind-set of journalism whose motto might as well be "No one tells us what to do."

These journalists are arrogant and power-hungry and identify with the most arrogant and power-hungry of the combatants - against the rule of law US/Israel.

112 [deleted]  Tue, Jan 6, 2009 10:03:15am
113 Kenneth  Tue, Jan 6, 2009 10:03:25am

re: #102 Priebles

from your link:

Israeli tank shells killed at least 40 Palestinians on Tuesday at a U.N. school where civilians had taken shelter, medical officials said, in carnage likely to boost international calls for a halt to Israel's Gaza offensive.

From CNN:

Three Israeli artillery shells struck near the perimeter of a U.N. school in northern Gaza on Tuesday, killing at least 30 people and wounding 55, a United Nations official said.

From JPost.com:


At least thirty people were reportedly killed and 53 wounded in an explosion in a UN-run school in the town of Jabalya in the northern Gaza Strip, according to Palestinians. The IDF issued a statement saying the school grounds were used by terrorists to fire mortar shells at the troops.

The infantrymen returned mortar shell fire into the school grounds, the army said. Defense officials told The Associated Press that booby-trapped bombs in the school triggered the secondary explosions which killed scores of Palestinians on the site.

Tank shells? Artillery? Or mortar shell fire?

114 Nemo  Tue, Jan 6, 2009 10:03:52am

I am convinced that some NYT staff reporters believe that if they write a story a certain way -- slant and omit relevant facts -- and the news article is consumed by their intended audience, it becomes a de facto truth to be spread (like a fungus or the plague). I am also convinced that the target audience likes to believe and be told lies if they are self serving and may lead to some intended end. I cannot figure out what that end would be though. Hamas will never treat Israel with respect. So is the end then the destruction of Israel? If that be the end then isn't it as logical for Israel to carpet bomb the Gaza strip as to be done with the necessity to face the same threat over and over? I know that is absurd but this is Hamas, a murderous insane group of beaten zealots. Hamas doesn't want respect. They want to destroy Israel or die trying. Either the "destroy Israel" wish, which seems to be the covertly editorialized nugget in these news articles, is to be granted or the "die trying" part comes to pass. I just don't see the middle ground here.

115 lifeofthemind  Tue, Jan 6, 2009 10:03:57am

re: #70 buzzsawmonkey

The Sulzberger family converted to Anglicanism some time ago.

Source please.
The Sulzbergers have always been members of the Reform Temple Emmanu-El.
See Gay Talese's Kingdom and the Power book and also Birmingham's Our Crowd.

116 stevieray  Tue, Jan 6, 2009 10:04:03am

The NYT and other members of the MSM have decided that multiculturalism is the future... all cultures must be equal. That decision forces them to lie as reality intrudes on their deliberately selected worldview -- the savage must be redeemed, the civilized must be brought low -- in order to support the lie they have chosen.

As to why they have chosen a multiculturalism -- that is simple. Pre-enlightenment societies are top-down... the elites [like them] have extraordinary powers in all primitive societies. In the Western world, the power of the elites to shape society is tightly circumscribed -- too much for their tastes -- and they believe they deserve unlimited power to reshape the nation to their liking.

In short, they believe they are smarter and better than everyone who has come before, and they deserve unbridled power to resculpt the world and undo everything that came before, and a tribalist society is far easier to manipulate.

They are leftists. Its all about power. For leftists, it always is.

117 albusteve  Tue, Jan 6, 2009 10:04:15am

re: #110 opnion

They were considered on the downswing, loss of viewers, readers & advertising. Then they actually maufacture a persona for BHO. People start getting tingels, talking about Hope & Change, ignoring Obamas past & associations, because the MSM tells them to.
They get this thoroughly unqualified, insipid , empty suit elected.
Of course they're riding high.

it's our country therefore it's our fault...stupid drooling uninformed voters abusing the privlege...

118 DistantThunder  Tue, Jan 6, 2009 10:05:01am

re: #91 opinionated

Israel is in for a world of hurt. The support of the American people is going to diminish over time.

You can see it happening, not necessarily because old corrupt biased media like the Times and Post and CNN, et al, are against Israel, but because it is becoming hip and stylish to be anti Israel even where the issues of the conflict are transmitted by people who are nothing but ignorant of facts and history.

I caught the Daily Show last night, hosted by hip "Jewish" Jon Stuart. Not only was he attacking Israel - comically (yeah)- but he was attacking American support for Israel.

That is the sewage that will seep into the mainstream.

I think we need to do more lambasting these idiots - more letters to both the idiots and their advertisers.

119 realwest  Tue, Jan 6, 2009 10:05:29am

Well y'all I gotta run now - haven't heard back from Oncologist yet, so I suspect somethings up and I'm gonna have to call and push to get results and advice about the future.
I'm so nervous I could puke.

120 albusteve  Tue, Jan 6, 2009 10:05:58am

re: #119 realwest

Well y'all I gotta run now - haven't heard back from Oncologist yet, so I suspect somethings up and I'm gonna have to call and push to get results and advice about the future.
I'm so nervous I could puke.

good luck RW

121 [deleted]  Tue, Jan 6, 2009 10:06:55am
122 SaneInMN  Tue, Jan 6, 2009 10:07:11am

Charles wrote...

Something is deeply wrong with journalism in this country.

Yes, but something is WRONG in this COUNTRY, period! Journalism and politics are a reflection of the people who buy the product, and vote for the politician, respectively. You cannot simply blame the NYT's w/o finding disgust with people who still buy the paper, and other news organizations who continue to cite that fish-wrap as if it represented unbiased reporting. Same goes for the Democratic party. Al Franken has likely won in MN, and undoubtedly fraud played a role in pushing him over the top. However, if the DFL were comprised of reasonable people, AL Franken would NEVER have been nominated in the first place! See also Keith Ellison, MN 5th. This country is failing, and in way we have not witnessed since the years directly preceding and during the civil war. We may not be worth salvaging if the trend continues.

123 [deleted]  Tue, Jan 6, 2009 10:07:50am
124 notutopia  Tue, Jan 6, 2009 10:08:45am

Corrupt journalists, corrupt editors, corrupt owners of the paper media.
Sounds like that's the problem. Sell your copy to the highest bidders. Morally corrupt readers.

125 DistantThunder  Tue, Jan 6, 2009 10:13:00am

The Arbinger Group studies "self-betrayal" the act of doing or speaking or writing things that the person knows isn't true. The person does it for selfish purposes, AND THEN develops a host of rationales to justify his wrong acts.

Anger is one of the overriding signs of this phenomenon.

126 [deleted]  Tue, Jan 6, 2009 10:13:43am
127 [deleted]  Tue, Jan 6, 2009 10:14:19am
128 MarineMomSue  Tue, Jan 6, 2009 10:16:41am

re: #91 opinionated

Israel is in for a world of hurt. The support of the American people is going to diminish over time.

You can see it happening, not necessarily because old corrupt biased media like the Times and Post and CNN, et al, are against Israel, but because it is becoming hip and stylish to be anti Israel even where the issues of the conflict are transmitted by people who are nothing but ignorant of facts and history.

I caught the Daily Show last night, hosted by hip "Jewish" Jon Stuart. Not only was he attacking Israel - comically (yeah)- but he was attacking American support for Israel.

That is the sewage that will seep into the mainstream.

So true. It reminds me of the media 'support' for the war in Iraq. As long as they had their embeds reporting live and they were making boatloads of money with wall-to-wall coverage, we were winning the war on terror. Let's not forget the coverage hailing those 'brave' journalists who were risking their lives to cover the war.

Alas, the news got old (not to mention, expensive to cover) and they pulled their brave reporters. Only our troops remained.

How fortunate they were given the 'gift' of Abu Ghraib! That news and the photos never seemed to get old. It allowed them to seamlessly switch to the holier-than-thou tirades about American criminals in uniform and the 'Bush Lied-People Died' mantra.

129 TaeJohnDo  Tue, Jan 6, 2009 10:19:15am

re: #119 realwest

Well y'all I gotta run now - haven't heard back from Oncologist yet, so I suspect somethings up and I'm gonna have to call and push to get results and advice about the future.
I'm so nervous I could puke.


Thoughts and prayers for you and all.

130 FloridaAnole  Tue, Jan 6, 2009 10:19:23am

It seems to me that the MSM (and all the rest of the American Left) has become increasingly pro-islamicist since the early 1970's. The shift from being pro-Israel began right after the Glorious Revolution of 1968. Since then it appears that with each new group of journos graduating from indoctrination um, journalism schools, the tone has become more and more aggressively anti-Israel with each decade. Note that back in the late 70's the Leftists in Jimmy Carter's State Department were the ones who came up with the brilliant strategy of replacing the Shah with the Ayatollah Khomeini. Right now, the MSM's pigheaded the-facts-be-damned support of Hamas and other terrorist gangs seems to be part political belief, part intellectual trendiness and part standard lib perversity.

131 FloridaAnole  Tue, Jan 6, 2009 10:22:16am

re: #119 realwest

Well y'all I gotta run now - haven't heard back from Oncologist yet, so I suspect somethings up and I'm gonna have to call and push to get results and advice about the future.
I'm so nervous I could puke.

Good luck! Hope everything will be OK.

132 Kenneth  Tue, Jan 6, 2009 10:24:35am

#119 realwest

All my prayers & best wishes for you, my friend. Courage.

133 debutaunt  Tue, Jan 6, 2009 10:26:02am

re: #125 DistantThunder

The Arbinger Group studies "self-betrayal" the act of doing or speaking or writing things that the person knows isn't true. The person does it for selfish purposes, AND THEN develops a host of rationales to justify his wrong acts.

Anger is one of the overriding signs of this phenomenon.

That is really fascinating. I know that people who are wrong, become a lot louder.

134 rumcrook  Tue, Jan 6, 2009 10:26:30am
It’s bizarre and disgusting to see much of America’s media making excuses for a bloodthirsty, openly genocidal death cult. Something is deeply wrong with journalism in this country.

I think its becuase they are not journalists anymore they are propagandists for thier political side and world view. no longer worried about the restraints of any objective reporting. now its all about helping thier side and israel is not on "thier side" becuase israel is pro america and since they are all about making the U.S. look badthen, thierfore whoever is against israel is the side they should help and cheer. ergo they are pro hamas.

if you could corner one of these rats from the nytimes and force them to say why they are in the tank for these murderuos thugs in the end the logic would eventually come back to "we are the bad guys messing up the world. if only the u.s. would recognize our own crappyness and how we are responsible for all the ills of the world and in proxy israel is responsible for all the unrest, things would be better."


in the end simply it is america hatered. its not cool to love america. or western civilization.

135 Wilderstad  Tue, Jan 6, 2009 10:26:54am

re: #21 unrealizedviewpoint

A picture really is worth a 1000 words. Thanks for that.

136 leah  Tue, Jan 6, 2009 10:27:33am

realwest - you can't remove something you never had...
here's a couple good vid's on the Hamas freedom fighters terrorists Hamas 101 - a primer

137 pegcity  Tue, Jan 6, 2009 10:28:04am

how about Saudi Money?

138 Mr Spiffy  Tue, Jan 6, 2009 10:28:08am

Journalism?
What is this journalism of which you speak?

139 Hobbes  Tue, Jan 6, 2009 10:29:02am

re: #119 realwest

Well y'all I gotta run now - haven't heard back from Oncologist yet, so I suspect somethings up and I'm gonna have to call and push to get results and advice about the future.
I'm so nervous I could puke.

Hope all goes well.

140 samsgran1948  Tue, Jan 6, 2009 10:29:19am

re: #35 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I see the whole "UN School Massacre" is gaining steam with the MSM, and thats without even having reporters in Gaza or the IDF releasing their report yet.

Yes. Israel and the IDF and IAF need to get on top of this NOW! Not two weeks from now when they've had time to fully study the problem. NOW! This very instant! (Actually, yesterday would have been even better.)

141 bbuck  Tue, Jan 6, 2009 10:34:20am

Something is deeply wrong with journalism in this country.

142 samsgran1948  Tue, Jan 6, 2009 10:35:45am

re: #119 realwest

Well y'all I gotta run now - haven't heard back from Oncologist yet, so I suspect somethings up and I'm gonna have to call and push to get results and advice about the future.
I'm so nervous I could puke.

I'm thinking good, happy thoughts for you, RW. Plus I've got all my fingers and toes crossed.

143 stevieray  Tue, Jan 6, 2009 10:36:17am

re: #94 The Other Les

It's the Superior Being syndrome in action.

They believe that they superior people because they possess superior knowledge. But "superior knowledge" has to be different from the commonly perceived reality, which means what they believe must automatically be wrong.

This doesn't stop them from saying that they are correct when they clearly are not..

Good point. If the proles believe "X", the elites must believe "Y"... there has to be a gap in beliefs in order to leverage your way to power. And once the proles begin to believe in "Y", the elites must move on to "Z".

If everyone believed the same thing, there would be no use for an elite... no use for them. No power. No control. No fawning acolytes at their knees.

144 FrogMarch  Tue, Jan 6, 2009 10:41:14am

The New York Slimes. Still not good enough for the bottom of any bird cage.

145 Silvergirl  Tue, Jan 6, 2009 10:43:40am

re: #130 FloridaAnole

It seems to me that the MSM (and all the rest of the American Left) has become increasingly pro-islamicist since the early 1970's. The shift from being pro-Israel began right after the Glorious Revolution of 1968. Since then it appears that with each new group of journos graduating from indoctrination um, journalism schools, the tone has become more and more aggressively anti-Israel with each decade. Note that back in the late 70's the Leftists in Jimmy Carter's State Department were the ones who came up with the brilliant strategy of replacing the Shah with the Ayatollah Khomeini. Right now, the MSM's pigheaded the-facts-be-damned support of Hamas and other terrorist gangs seems to be part political belief, part intellectual trendiness and part standard lib perversity.

I think it all comes down to an epidemic collective short memory. Add to that a near giddiness our culture has for something new. Friends/allies with Israel? Been there, done that. Ho hum. Let's be friends with the Muslims for awhile. The short memories might be helped along with some time travel to concentration camps just before liberation, and to experience the joy of it, on the days those prisoners were freed. Alas, we've already forgotten 9-11. On one blog, after reading line after line of tripe, I finally commented that they have forgotten 9-11, and I got a series of verbal eye rolls.

146 Mr Spiffy  Tue, Jan 6, 2009 10:44:10am

re: #99 albusteve

the fuckers are everywhere...K thru grad school...labor...govt...media...I already feel surrounded and outnumbered

as long as you're not outgunned...

147 FrogMarch  Tue, Jan 6, 2009 10:47:12am

The New York Times:
Pro Democrat Party
Pro Nazi-Hamas

you do the math.

148 DaChew  Tue, Jan 6, 2009 10:53:00am

Years ago, much anger and gnashing of teeth occurred over Israel's assault on the Jenin refugee camp which left thousands of innocent Palestinians dead. At least, that was the narrative of the MSM at the time. Of course they swallowed Arafat's story completely. Later, when all was said and done and the evidence had been gathered and analyzed and the thousands of innocents had turned into dozens of militants and Arafat finally admitted that their had been no massacre, there was, of course, no MSM reflection. They simply continued on their merry way apparently thinking that, though they fell victim to the lies of the PLO, it all ultimately was for the best since, they were sure, Israel was the occupying power supported by the U.S. military industrial complex and, therefore, were less trustworthy than the PLO. At least, that's what they think they remember their college Social Studies professor telling them.
In any event, what will likely happen here, is that the same MSM will once again swallow the story of the terrorists. Later, when the evidence is analyzed, we'll find out that most of the deaths at the school happened because of massive secondary explosions of hidden munitions. The MSM will, once again, have moved on and will ignore it, since the story will already have served it's purpose in damaging Israel. The folks here at LGF will, once again, point out to one another how stupid/complicit/gullible/lazy/derelict the MSM is. And nothing will change because this is a "whacko hate site" and they're legitimate, educated, objective, journalists dedicated to making the World a better place regardless of their falling readership and stock value.

149 Spare O'Lake  Tue, Jan 6, 2009 10:53:14am

I was watching BBC TV last night. The interviewer was a well-spoken, youngish, pretty, blond, fair-skinned woman. The topic was Gaza.

During the course of an interview with the Israeli representative, the interviewer slowly morphed into a rude, hunched-over, snarling, mono-syllabic, attack dog. She constantly interrupted and barely allowed the guest to get a word in edgewise.

The "interview" culminated with her guttural retort to the effect that the continuation of the Hamas missiles were "quite convenient" for Israel in that they provided a pretext for the continuation of the IDF slaughter of the innocent civilians.

I wanted to kill her.

150 Sharmuta  Tue, Jan 6, 2009 10:56:19am

re: #116 stevieray

Evil is the victim of Good.

151 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Tue, Jan 6, 2009 11:02:00am

The New York Times is the standard bearer of the Liberal establishment. The Liberal establishment hates Western Civilization, or as some call it, Judeo-Christian civilization. That's why they love Hamas.

152 iam7545  Tue, Jan 6, 2009 11:02:36am

Misery loves company.

One question remains who will fall first, the NYT or Hamas?

153 looking closely  Tue, Jan 6, 2009 11:08:29am

re: #42 DeafDog
Why is the NYT in deep financial doo-doo with ever-decreasing numbers of subscribers?

154 hazzyday  Tue, Jan 6, 2009 12:10:11pm

We need to start labeling this media as "child death cult" supporters and make them acknowledge themselves as so. The IDF should target some of these outlets in the internet wars and bring them down. They could start with the NYT. Readers of the NYT like Bill O'Reilly are apparently child death cult friendly.

155 descolada9  Tue, Jan 6, 2009 12:46:38pm

The comments following the story pretty much sums up the idiocy that so many continue to wade through. I think I could probably build a post-doctoral career in psychology by trying to understand and explain the motivations of lunatic liberal leftist moonbats.

The Palestinians, imho, are far from innocent. They supported Arafat for decades, they supported Fatah, they supported Hamas, they cheered and danced in the street at the news of murders and deaths of innocents. They allow the terrorists to place weapons in their childrens' schools and put their kids in front of suicide chic TV. Their supposed innocence has been seriously abrogated by their actions and actions have consequences.

156 bombarafat  Tue, Jan 6, 2009 12:47:45pm

I hate to admit it but I was once a liberal, before I became an adult. I can remember being in the mindset that the underdog was always the proper side to root for, cops were all bad, religion is all bad etc...
Fortunately for me I grew up, unfortunately for many in journalism they don't grow up.

157 bungie  Tue, Jan 6, 2009 12:58:20pm

re: #48 Kosh's Shadow

The NYT is largely owned by Jews, who I guess figure they'll get eaten by the alligator last.

I agree. There is more at play with the NYT than just the mindless left-leaning of the MSM. It is deeper; the NYT has been privately-owned by a Jewish family through all of this, through the rise of Hitler, through World War II, through Stalin's antisemitism and through the present.

They appear to be self-hating Jews.

Maybe George Soros has this psychology too.

Is this fear and cowardice? Denial?

158 krypto  Tue, Jan 6, 2009 3:14:52pm

Never fear. The NY Times Op-Ed section has a novel solution (as in "how many times have we seen this before") to the conflict in Gaza.

It is for Israel, having shown how tough it is, to now have a nice 48 hour absolute unilateral cease fire, during which it simply allows Hamas to fire rockets to kill and maim as many Israeli civilians as it can, without resorting to violence no matter how many Israelis are killed or maimed. Then, the argument goes, the world will react with international support for Israel (I can't make this stuff up! He really wrote that!), and if, after regrouping, reorganizing, and strengthening their position, Hamas continues its hostilities, Israel can always just start it all over again - and after the next ceasfire again - and again.

Here's the article with the brilliant strategy by one of the NY Times's Op-Ed military and political geniuses:

Fight Fire With a Cease-Fire
By DAVID GROSSMAN
[Link: www.nytimes.com...]

159 libertas  Tue, Jan 6, 2009 3:34:03pm

It isn't just the NYT that's infatuated with Hamas, it's the left, in toto! Especially the oh-so-enlightened-and-utterly-anti-Semitic European left. European leftists have got to be the biggest imbeciles and self-hating people currently living on the planet. They are rapidly erasing all vestiges of their ancient and historical cultures/traditions, on their own, to accommodate (capitulate?) to the ungrateful moslem invaders. Guess they've forgotten history; ask a Greek, an Armenian, a Bulgarian, a Cypriot, et. al., how "wonderful" life was under Turkish (MOSLEM) rule - if you can find one who knows actual history instead of today's leftist propaganda, which is spread by "newspapers" like the NYT.
The NYT helps spread the ignorance and hate towards Israel along with other leftist revisionist rags.
So, instead of defending the tiny and truly democratic state of Israel today's European masses hate Israel and side with the people who send themselves on suicide missions into the very heart of their continent and blow-up trains and subways. Difference is that when this happens in Israel, the Israelis fight back - Europeans run away finding ways to blame themselves, and have parades for the "oppressed" Palestinians!
They should be so proud....

160 AmericanPoliticalOrphan  Tue, Jan 6, 2009 4:22:36pm

Who, What, Where, Why and Spin..... It's a new standard

161 erisldysnomia  Tue, Jan 6, 2009 5:06:52pm

Explanation is probably simpler than most realize.

Arab money paying off NYT members would be my guess.

162 erisldysnomia  Tue, Jan 6, 2009 5:08:29pm

re: #157 bungie

They appear to be self-hating Jews.

Maybe George Soros has this psychology too.

Is this fear and cowardice? Denial?

No, too much inbreeding in the shtetls from where these people came. Results in deficient minds.

163 anotherindyfilmguy  Tue, Jan 6, 2009 5:15:48pm

re: #24 IgofAntioch

Is there any way to accelerate this demise or are they doing a pretty good job of it on their own?

Sue them into oblivion... personally I think Israel should sue the NYT for a combination of defamation/libel and for supporting terrorists through being propaganda mouthpieces...

164 88keyman  Tue, Jan 6, 2009 6:53:21pm

The Los Angeles Times, as well, loves Hamas -- enough to give one of their terrorists column space on today's op-ed page:

[Link: www.latimes.com...]

And on the opposite (editorial) page is yet another of the paper's own editorials demanding that the world stop Israel from defeating Hamas.

Now that's love.


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