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The lion cannot protect himself from traps, and the fox cannot defend himself from wolves. One must therefore be a fox to recognize traps, and a lion to frighten wolves.

Niccolo Machiavelli

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1 rawmuse  Tue, Jan 6, 2009 11:24:58pm

Insert thoughtful rejoinder here.

2 Sharmuta  Tue, Jan 6, 2009 11:27:29pm

Modern liberal motto: Evil is the victim of Good.

Remember that in the days and weeks ahead, for the modern liberals will do everything in their power to make sure Evil has allies while Good is punished.

3 Syrah  Tue, Jan 6, 2009 11:29:21pm

Do they have students read Niccolo Machiavelli in college nowadays?

4 BlueCanuck  Tue, Jan 6, 2009 11:30:08pm

re: #2 Sharmuta

I saw that thought experiment you suggested on the last thread about fairy tales. Have you ever heard of the PC fairy tales that came out about ten years ago?

5 BlueCanuck  Tue, Jan 6, 2009 11:30:41pm

re: #3 Syrah

Reminds me, I should re-read my copy soon.

6 rawmuse  Tue, Jan 6, 2009 11:34:05pm

re: #3 Syrah

Do they have students read Niccolo Machiavelli in college nowadays?

Anything of value I read after college. In college my required reading was not that good. No Sun Tzu, no Macchiavelli.

7 Sharmuta  Tue, Jan 6, 2009 11:37:10pm

re: #6 rawmuse

Anything of value I read after college. In college my required reading was not that good. No Sun Tzu, no Macchiavelli.

The Public Library is one of the best schools I've had the pleasure to attend.

8 rumcrook  Tue, Jan 6, 2009 11:37:11pm

re: #6 rawmuse
I read Sun Tzu as required reading in my non com officer course in the regular army. I cant recall any of the required reading while I was in college.

9 Buster Bunny  Tue, Jan 6, 2009 11:37:29pm

For newbies, an open thread is where thoughts and debate, current affairs and trolls hang out and chat about the events of the day.

And if you stay reeely reeely long .. the creationists arrive to badmouth everyone above the dotted line signifying the end of the thread.

/Enjoy !

10 traderjoe9  Tue, Jan 6, 2009 11:39:21pm

[Link: www.jpost.com...]

But a convoy of four vehicles from U.N. aid agencies had to wait for about an hour at the Karaleti checkpoint before being turned away after a brief discussion with a Russian general.

Does anyone remember any international outrage or protests as a result of Russia's actions? Or how about this...

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

KIEV, Ukraine — At least two Bulgarian cities were totally without gas Tuesday, and nations like Turkey were turning to Iran to bolster their supplies, as a natural gas crisis looms over Europe after a contract dispute between Russia and Ukraine led Russia to shut off gas supplies to seven countries and reduce gas deliveries to several others.

This all happening while temperatures in Europe are far below freezing.

Israel is a special case, I guess.

11 rawmuse  Tue, Jan 6, 2009 11:40:37pm

I was required to read "The Rime of the Ancient Mariner" by Coleridge.
And much ado was made of his drug addiction.

12 Sharmuta  Tue, Jan 6, 2009 11:41:16pm

re: #4 BlueCanuck

This would go beyond "PC" into moonbat land. Where the Three Little Pigs not only get screwed by the wolf destroying their homes, but George Bush is funding the wolf, whose name is Haliburton. More like that.

13 Wookieelips  Tue, Jan 6, 2009 11:41:39pm

Well, I finally got my iPhone (8g), and now I don't even know what to do with it!
I installed messenger of course so I could chat with the hubby anywhere, but there's all these apps, and I'm so overwhelmed that I haven't even downloaded any free ones.

Anyone have any reccommendations for the best ones?

14 Sharmuta  Tue, Jan 6, 2009 11:42:22pm

re: #12 Sharmuta

This would go beyond "PC" into moonbat land. Where the Three Little Pigs not only get screwed by the wolf destroying their homes, but George Bush is funding the wolf, whose name is Haliburton. More like that.

And so we could also appease cair, we'd re-name the story The Three Little Goats.

15 Buster Bunny  Tue, Jan 6, 2009 11:42:30pm

re: #10 traderjoe9

[Link: www.jpost.com...]

This all happening while temperatures in Europe are far below freezing.

Israel is a special case, I guess.

Gazprom will be hurt by this misadventure more than Ukraine. This is a politik game at a time when most of Europe is freezing. Its bad politics and its bad manners in the relations for negotiation. Russia wants Ukraine back badly and will create a reason to do so.

16 rawmuse  Tue, Jan 6, 2009 11:43:13pm

re: #13 Wookieelips

I have too, and since I am a musician I got all my fave music apps.
They are
iTick, iTuner, and More Cowbell

17 rumcrook  Tue, Jan 6, 2009 11:43:53pm

re: #12 Sharmuta

Three Little Pigs? cant use them at all, not halal and that aint pc sarc/

18 Wookieelips  Tue, Jan 6, 2009 11:43:57pm

re: #16 rawmuse

I have too, and since I am a musician I got all my fave music apps.
They are
iTick, iTuner, and More Cowbell

More Cowbell?
I think the name alone has sold me.

19 Buster Bunny  Tue, Jan 6, 2009 11:44:39pm

re: #13 Wookieelips

Well, I finally got my iPhone (8g), and now I don't even know what to do with it!
I installed messenger of course so I could chat with the hubby anywhere, but there's all these apps, and I'm so overwhelmed that I haven't even downloaded any free ones.

Anyone have any reccommendations for the best ones?

There is this addictive lil game thats out there for the Iphone .. its like Tetris but it uses the whole 'tilt' thing that the Iphone has to work the puzzle from ANY angle. Its fun and its very addictive .. i think its called Tris or something like that.

20 Sharmuta  Tue, Jan 6, 2009 11:45:22pm

re: #17 rumcrook

Three Little Pigs? cant use them at all, not halal and that aint pc sarc/

No- Three Little Goats.

21 Syrah  Tue, Jan 6, 2009 11:45:28pm

Another incredibly important book that I think everyone should read is The History of the Peloponnesian War by Thucydides

(Warning, the link will download the whole book in .txt. Click with care if you are on dial-up.)

22 rawmuse  Tue, Jan 6, 2009 11:46:01pm

re: #18 Wookieelips

Oh, and Pocket Piano

23 Buster Bunny  Tue, Jan 6, 2009 11:47:03pm

re: #22 rawmuse

Oh, and Pocket Piano

iCantPlay !

24 Wookieelips  Tue, Jan 6, 2009 11:47:21pm

re: #19 Buster Bunny

There is this addictive lil game thats out there for the Iphone .. its like Tetris but it uses the whole 'tilt' thing that the Iphone has to work the puzzle from ANY angle. Its fun and its very addictive .. i think its called Tris or something like that.

Is that the one with the grumpy looking blocks?

25 Buster Bunny  Tue, Jan 6, 2009 11:48:52pm

re: #24 Wookieelips

Is that the one with the grumpy looking blocks?

Found it on YouTube .. its called Trism .. there is a demo on the site. Enjoy !

26 Fenway_Nation  Tue, Jan 6, 2009 11:48:59pm

Aren't there a series of vodka commercials out there that show Sean 'Puffy' Combs/Puff Daddy/P-Diddy kickin' back at a nightclub with the aforementioned vodka prominently in the foreground? The...during Puff Piddy's voiceover, he has the unmitigated chutzpah to say 'Enjoy our product responsibly'?

WTF? He couldn't land that Smith & Wesson endorsement with the same disclaimer? I mean...cripes...it could be the same commercial, just swap the bottle of vodka with a S&W Sigma or something...

27 BlueCanuck  Tue, Jan 6, 2009 11:49:12pm

re: #21 Syrah

Man am I ever getting behind in my reading. Part way through "On the Origins of War" by Kagan. Covers a few wars in history and everything that led up to them. The lead up to the Peloponnesian and WW1 is fascinating.

28 rumcrook  Tue, Jan 6, 2009 11:49:19pm

re: #20 Sharmuta
sorry I was a day late and a dollar short posting that before you revised to include the misunderstood religion of peace~~~ the amish

29 Wookieelips  Tue, Jan 6, 2009 11:49:43pm

re: #25 Buster Bunny


Thanks!

30 rawmuse  Tue, Jan 6, 2009 11:49:47pm

re: #8 rumcrook

I read Sun Tzu as required reading in my non com officer course in the regular army. I cant recall any of the required reading while I was in college.

I enjoyed the book, but since I am generally a peaceful man, I have no idea why. I suppose I feel like I should be able to do war if need be, and if it ever comes to that, I don't want to be a complete idiot about it. I study war history a lot and so much seems to pivot on just a small mistake, which turns in to a defeat.

31 BlueCanuck  Tue, Jan 6, 2009 11:51:14pm

re: #30 rawmuse

I have seen two copies. One I owned, and one was a friends. One was categorized as "Military Philosophy", while the other was labeled "Business Philosophy". Guess one was printed after "Wall Street".

32 MrPaulRevere  Tue, Jan 6, 2009 11:51:45pm

re: #7 Sharmuta

I found an old text book the other day written by Samuel P. Huntington from my days as a political science student. I should re-read it. I never paid it much mind at the time, I was saddened to hear of his passing.

33 redc1c4  Tue, Jan 6, 2009 11:52:57pm

re: #3 Syrah

Do they have students read Niccolo Machiavelli in college nowadays?

i'm wasting my next 23 weekday mornings in a class at one of the local CC's...

from what i've seen, i'm not sure these cretins can think, let alone read.

most of the lazy bastards can't even show up on time. it's an anthro class, and the majority either questioned or denied evolution when polled.

/ i'm guessing they voted that way in self defense. %-)

34 teleskiguy  Tue, Jan 6, 2009 11:54:24pm

One must be an animal. or you will be taken over.

35 redc1c4  Tue, Jan 6, 2009 11:56:28pm

LNDT honco check

'present!'

36 BlueCanuck  Tue, Jan 6, 2009 11:57:18pm

re: #35 redc1c4

present.

/white smoke
//just in case.

37 redc1c4  Tue, Jan 6, 2009 11:57:32pm

re: #34 teleskiguy

One must be an animal. or you will be taken over.

i prefer to eat animals...

38 Pvt Bin Jammin  Tue, Jan 6, 2009 11:57:44pm

re: #35 redc1c4

LNDT honco check

'present!'

Another honco lurking here. LOL

39 redc1c4  Tue, Jan 6, 2009 11:58:42pm

re: #36 BlueCanuck

present.

/white smoke
//just in case.

i guess that makes us the "head honcos"...

/more white smoke

40 Sharmuta  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 12:00:03am

re: #32 MrPaulRevere

I wish I'd kept more of my textbooks, though some I did keep but later lost. Used bookstores can be great places to find treasures. I try to always make it to the library's book sale, too.

41 Fenway_Nation  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 12:01:09am

'Present!'

(in honor of the incoming presidents' senate record)

And enjoying my Bacardi responsibly.

42 Sharmuta  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 12:01:10am

re: #35 redc1c4

LNDT honco check

'present!'

My honco ass is in the avatar.

43 Erik The Red  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 12:02:20am

re: #35 redc1c4

LNDT honco check

'present!'

Present and lurking for now. Morning Lizards.

44 redc1c4  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 12:03:31am

re: #42 Sharmuta

My honco ass is in the avatar.

and a very cute one at that, if you don't mind me saying so...

but how'd you pad the karma count like that?

/white smoke

45 Pvt Bin Jammin  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 12:06:11am

Is anybody else getting snuggie e-mail spam? Had my first one today..."as seen on TV", "perfect for the holidays". LOL

46 MrPaulRevere  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 12:06:24am

re: #40 Sharmuta

I found the most amazing biography of Wyatt Earp at a garage sale last year, those type of gems turn up where you least expect them.

47 BlueCanuck  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 12:06:39am

re: #44 redc1c4

and a very cute one at that, if you don't mind me saying so...

but how'd you pad the karma count like that?

/white smoke

Blondes have more karma. ;)

/white smoke

48 Sharmuta  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 12:07:24am

re: #44 redc1c4

With a potent combination of charm and charisma?

49 rawmuse  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 12:07:27am

re: #45 Pvt Bin Jammin

No, just Sham Wow.

50 Wookieelips  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 12:08:18am

re: #49 rawmuse

No, just Sham Wow.


If they ever combine the two into one product, we are in trouble.

51 rumcrook  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 12:09:15am

re: #30 rawmuse

becuase your probably in the sheepdog catagory. like most good men who know the difference between good and evil and understand evil wont be placated with words alone. the best read ive had that talked about the concept I read over at bill whittles eject eject eject it was called tribes, and he talked in thier somewhere in the middle about being a peaceful outwardly normal guy that looked like everyone else, (everyone else were described as sheep, (not an insult just a statement of fact theysaw no danger) but the sheepdog which looked like the sheep and cared for the sheep is more awake. and could spend a life time being peacefull maybe never looking like anything other than tthe sheep, but if the wolves came over the mountian, if the wolves came howling for the sheep, the sheepdog stands up and prepares to defend all he loves and lived with in peace

52 Pvt Bin Jammin  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 12:10:19am

re: #49 rawmuse

No, just Sham Wow.

Maybe the poster who came up with the Snuggie made out of the Sham Wow material needs to get with these people for a whole new revolutionary product. LOL

53 rawmuse  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 12:14:35am

re: #51 rumcrook

Hey, that was a good read. I bookmarked it for later.
Sheepdog. I'll take it, with honor.

54 Wookieelips  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 12:14:59am

re: #52 Pvt Bin Jammin

Maybe the poster who came up with the Snuggie made out of the Sham Wow material needs to get with these people for a whole new revolutionary product. LOL


Hey! Then I would never have to clean up anything I spilled on myself again.

55 redc1c4  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 12:15:27am

re: #50 Wookieelips

If they ever combine the two into one product, we are in trouble.

as pointed out in another thread, it would certainly solve the whole "rising oceans" threat.

(if it actually existed, of course. %-)

56 rawmuse  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 12:16:42am

Hasta la manana, Lizards!

57 redc1c4  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 12:17:04am

re: #54 Wookieelips

Hey! Then I would never have to clean up anything I spilled on myself again.

but think of the damage it could cause with the pr0no industry... %-)

/white smoke

58 Dustyvet  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 12:17:14am

re: #54 Wookieelips

Hey! Then I would never have to clean up anything I spilled on myself again.

Yup, then you toss yourself into the washer, and the spin cycle is a scream. Then hop over to the dryer and have yourself fluff dryed...:)

59 BlueCanuck  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 12:17:17am

Night rawmuse, stay warm.

60 Pvt Bin Jammin  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 12:18:37am

re: #54 Wookieelips

Hey! Then I would never have to clean up anything I spilled on myself again.

Exactly, LOL. I think it was "Gearhead" who posted the original idea. Thought he could relax while doing housework.

61 Wookieelips  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 12:18:55am

re: #57 redc1c4

but think of the damage it could cause with the pr0no industry... %-)

/white smoke


I didn't want to think of that, but now I am thanks to you.


/ ;-p

62 Pvt Bin Jammin  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 12:20:15am

re: #57 redc1c4

but think of the damage it could cause with the pr0no industry... %-)

/white smoke

OMG ROTFLMAO

63 Dustyvet  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 12:21:22am

Killing Their Own

[Link: frontpagemagazine.com...]

64 TheMatrix31  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 12:21:48am

LOL, you should have heard some CAIR rep on the Al Rendell (is that his name?) show this afternoon. She was arguably the most ridiculous caller I've ever heard. They were discussing the plane incident and racial profiling and all that.

I wish I had a recording of what she said.

65 Sharmuta  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 12:24:11am

re: #46 MrPaulRevere

I found the most amazing biography of Wyatt Earp at a garage sale last year, those type of gems turn up where you least expect them.

That's another great source.

66 winston06  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 12:25:12am

Just finished watching a documentary called "World without US"... Great concept but poorly executed.

67 rumcrook  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 12:25:53am

re: #53 rawmuse

glad you liked it, Whittle crystalized some important themes in that for me.

it also emphasizes the importance of self defense and to me how true pacifism is evil on a spiritual level. to not respond to evil with force or force that can kill will kill or does kill, is to spit on the gift of life given us by the creator. since it is a gift that is mighty unappreciative. to not defend the truelly innocent is a dark evil and we are in a time where popular thought has turned the evil into the innocent and vice versa.

when your awake to that as most who are at lgf are, you are a target for the dark who howl at the light of this fact brought forward every day.

68 redc1c4  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 12:27:54am

re: #62 Pvt Bin Jammin

OMG ROTFLMAO

and yet, no up dings... i don't get no respect i tell ya. %-)

69 Wookieelips  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 12:28:18am

I can't takes no more!

Night lizards!

Don't abuse your shamwows too much.

70 Sharmuta  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 12:29:22am

Interesting. Original Kenyan Birth Certificates come in short form.

71 Pvt Bin Jammin  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 12:29:27am

re: #63 Dustyvet

Killing Their Own

[Link: frontpagemagazine.com...]

That is so sick but I am not surprised at anything anymore. Didn't that former Hamas member that Charles featured here say something about them killing each other too?

72 MrPaulRevere  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 12:31:46am

If you ever doubted the extent of moonbattery, there is a thread on Huffington post about a true non story "Levi Johnston Quits Job; Palin Denies Involvement" with 1,285 comments.

73 Pvt Bin Jammin  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 12:32:56am

re: #68 redc1c4

and yet, no up dings... i don't get no respect i tell ya. %-)

You are up to three updings now. Sorry I forgot to go back and do that until you reminded me.

And here I thought I was "dingy".

74 Mel Lono  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 12:33:44am
75 redc1c4  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 12:33:44am

i'm gonna go w*rk up the fruitcup and cop some Z's so i can try & stay awake in class tomorrow... not that i'll learn anything usefull.

hasta, y'all...

L8r!

76 BlueCanuck  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 12:34:53am

Night red, have fun being the terror of the classroom. :)

77 winston06  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 12:35:39am

good night folks

78 redc1c4  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 12:35:39am

re: #73 Pvt Bin Jammin

You are up to three updings now. Sorry I forgot to go back and do that until you reminded me.

And here I thought I was "dingy".

i should grovel more often... i'm only what? 46K short of Sharmuta?

/it was '0' when i whined. %-)

79 Pvt Bin Jammin  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 12:35:50am

re: #75 redc1c4

i'm gonna go w*rk up the fruitcup and cop some Z's so i can try & stay awake in class tomorrow... not that i'll learn anything usefull.

hasta, y'all...

L8r!

Almost out of here myself. I'm trying to get out of this habit of staying up late.

I think Little Old Lady is back or are you forever doing the "special" fruitcups?

80 Crux Australis  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 12:37:20am

re: #72 MrPaulRevere

If you ever doubted the extent of moonbattery, there is a thread on Huffington post about a true non story "Levi Johnston Quits Job; Palin Denies Involvement" with 1,285 comments.

Two things I have had enough of today is Palin bashing and Israel bashing. I am fed up already.

81 Fenway_Nation  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 12:40:47am

re: #80 Crux Australis

Two things I have had enough of today for 2009 is Palin bashing and Israel bashing. I am fed up already.

Wasn't nearly as bad as I anticipated when I was w/family for Christmas. I suspect their enthusiasm for the Big 0 was somewhat dampened by the scandal surrounding the Illinois governor trying to sell Big 0's senate seat.

82 MrPaulRevere  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 12:42:02am

re: #80 Crux Australis

This obsession with all things Palin is truly bizarre. Some folks weren't fans, and that's fair enough. But its degenerated into a hate cult. And I would imagine the same crowd that hates her with a passion also spews anti-semitism with a vengeance.

83 Mel Lono  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 12:48:42am

Red ... you missed the big dustup about me not voting for McCain last night, well not last night that i voted, or didnt vote. WTF. Tried to do all the research and such about why John was not the man of the moment and now I'm just too tired to f,,care.

84 MarineMomSue  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 12:59:04am

re: #3 Syrah

Do they have students read Niccolo Machiavelli in college nowadays?

Do they have college professors who have read Machiavelli nowadays?

85 Fenway_Nation  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 1:05:44am

re: #83 Mel Lono

I was too tired to care when you were patting yourself on the back for your indirect contribution to 4 years of an 0bama White House.

86 Erik The Red  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 1:10:02am

Seeing as it is so quiet in here.

John received a parrot as an early Christmas gift.
The parrot had a bad attitude and an even worse vocabulary.
Every word out of the bird's mouth was rude,
obnoxious and laced with profanity.

John tried and tried to change the bird's attitude by
consistently saying only polite words, playing soft music and
anything else he could think of to 'clean up' the bird's vocabulary.
Finally, John was fed up and he yelled at the parrot.
The parrot yelled back.

John shook the parrot and the parrot got angrier and even ruder.
John, in desperation, threw up his hands, grabbed the
bird and shoved him in the freezer.

For a few minutes the parrot squawked and kicked and screamed.
Then suddenly there was total quiet.
Not a peep was heard for over a minute.

Fearing that he'd hurt the parrot,
John quickly opened the door to the freezer.

The parrot calmly stepped out onto John's outstretched
arms and said 'I believe I may have offended you
with my rude language and actions.
I'm sincerely remorseful for my inappropriate transgressions
and I fully intend to do everything I can to
correct my rude and unforgivable behavior.'

John was stunned at the change in the bird's attitude.
As he was about to ask the parrot what had made such a
dramatic change in his behavior, the bird continued...

..."May I inquire as to what the turkey did?'

87 Mel Lono  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 1:10:22am

When we had this conversation 8 months ago, i said I'd take the rap for it. I guess this is it.

88 BlueCanuck  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 1:12:39am

re: #86 Erik The Red

Heard this joke before, but the punch line is even better. :)

89 Erik The Red  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 1:13:34am

re: #88 BlueCanuck

Heard this joke before, but the punch line is even better. :)

Yeah so have I. Just got it for maybe the 100th time via email.

90 ichef  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 1:31:21am

Im tired of the liberal crapola ... The donkey show in Washington is grating on my last nerve ...

91 Mel Lono  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 1:34:48am

McCain-Feingold - Anybody care for the First Amendment? do you even know what it says? Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances. Period! Any questions?

McCain-Kennedy — the most far-reaching amnesty program in American history. It costs us Californians more than just taxes to support them and their families. Jobs, ER's, schools that are safe for our kids, and then teachers that care to do their job.

McCain-Lieberman — an oil tax, fortunately defeated. Just wait for the next round.

McCain-Kennedy-Edwards — Starting to see a pattern here?

Not to mention the Gang of 14 to prevent using the "nuclear option" of using a filibuster to get R judges a fair confirmation hearing in the Senate, up or down.

This is all old news. Take it or go sod off.

92 Erik The Red  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 1:38:18am

re: #91 Mel Lono

McCain-Feingold - Anybody care for the First Amendment? do you even know what it says? Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances. Period! Any questions?

McCain-Kennedy � the most far-reaching amnesty program in American history. It costs us Californians more than just taxes to support them and their families. Jobs, ER's, schools that are safe for our kids, and then teachers that care to do their job.

McCain-Lieberman � an oil tax, fortunately defeated. Just wait for the next round.

McCain-Kennedy-Edwards � Starting to see a pattern here?

Not to mention the Gang of 14 to prevent using the "nuclear option" of using a filibuster to get R judges a fair confirmation hearing in the Senate, up or down.

This is all old news. Take it or go sod off.

Mel we all know how you didn't vote. You opened this debate yesterday. If you can't take the heat don't bring it up.

93 Fenway_Nation  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 1:38:53am

re: #91 Mel Lono

Hooray! You've won! I'm sure we're going to be 1000 times better off with Bill Ayer's candidate in the white house.

Hugo Chavez, Vlad Putin and Robert Mugabe seem to second that.

94 Outrider  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 1:39:42am

re: #91 Mel Lono

McCain-Feingold - Anybody care for the First Amendment? do you even know what it says? Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances. Period! Any questions?

McCain-Kennedy � the most far-reaching amnesty program in American history. It costs us Californians more than just taxes to support them and their families. Jobs, ER's, schools that are safe for our kids, and then teachers that care to do their job.

McCain-Lieberman � an oil tax, fortunately defeated. Just wait for the next round.

McCain-Kennedy-Edwards � Starting to see a pattern here?

Not to mention the Gang of 14 to prevent using the "nuclear option" of using a filibuster to get R judges a fair confirmation hearing in the Senate, up or down.

This is all old news. Take it or go sod off.

Not the best legislation to be sure. But, I'm sure Obama will do much much more for us. Or to us. Thanks.
/

95 Sharmuta  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 1:40:01am

So... how about them [insert sports team here]?

96 BlueCanuck  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 1:41:58am

re: #95 Sharmuta

Well the Toronto Make Me Laughs are doing their usual.

/racing for the bottom of the division. . . .

97 littleoldlady  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 1:42:35am

Iggles!

/why not? we have a week to revel in it anyway...

98 BlueCanuck  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 1:44:54am

re: #97 littleoldlady

Good morning littleoldlady. Iggles?

99 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 1:45:16am

re: #91 Mel Lono

Wait, what? Is McCain still running for POTUS? I thought the election was over. Didn't Obama win?

/guess we dodged a bullet there

100 Sharmuta  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 1:45:19am

re: #96 BlueCanuck

There's always college hockey.

101 littleoldlady  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 1:45:37am

Philadelphianese for "Eagles".

BlueCanuck! :-)

102 Sharmuta  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 1:46:10am

littleoldlady AND Sleepy B? It must be my lucky morning.

103 littleoldlady  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 1:48:26am

re: #102 Sharmuta

Sharmuta! :-)

Powerball up to 105 mil.

/of course I'll share! ;-)

104 Mel Lono  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 1:49:14am

I was called a lazy, cowardly wimp by LeePro last night so this is Round 2. I do not take kindly to insults. I prefer gentlemenly argument. I chose to retire rather than to have my ire get the best of me. What I saw in the interim is that many of you agreed with her. Have at it.

105 Mel Lono  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 1:51:20am

So, boston.. What did you do to bring the One's faults to light?

106 Sharmuta  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 1:51:39am

re: #103 littleoldlady

Sharmuta! :-)

Powerball up to 105 mil.

/of course I'll share! ;-)

You'd have to share- 0bama will see to that.

107 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 1:52:37am

re: #102 Sharmuta

You flatter my unduly. LoL is waaay cooler than me. For one thing, she brings fruitcup to the party. I mostly bring empty beer bottles. And sometimes metal.

Sometimes.

108 littleoldlady  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 1:52:54am

re: #106 Sharmuta

You'd have to share- 0bama will see to that.

Oh. Right. I forgot about that. :-(

/Mattresses 'R Us!

109 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 1:55:26am

re: #104 Mel Lono

Aw, cheer up kiddo. It's a tough room. Your scales will thicken up.

Eventually.

110 Ledger1  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 1:57:18am

I would like to give some of those Hamashole brown-nose libtards who write hate mail to Charles the Machiavellian treatment.

Anybody got ideas about how to battle the hate mail?

bb in a minute.

111 Mel Lono  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 1:59:34am

Outrider.. you need a new name. For now, you're scout. Keep your ears on

I'm more worried about President, yes President Bush, has done in the last 30 days (i.e bailouts, pseudo or not socialism) than anything O'man will do.

112 littleoldlady  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 2:00:03am

Good morning, afternoon, evening *everyone*!™

Fruitcup is on the buffet → → → → →
Help yourselves!

113 Mel Lono  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 2:01:01am

Morning maam. Fruit cup is a little sour tonight.

114 littleoldlady  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 2:01:14am

Slumbering! :-)

I used to be cool. That was before I became pathetic.

/good times, good times...

115 Sharmuta  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 2:01:25am

re: #112 littleoldlady

Thanks littleoldlady!

In honor of your Eagles- it's the Pennsylvania Polka! Crank it!

116 Buster Bunny  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 2:01:26am

2009 fruitcup has that extra zing.

117 Erik The Red  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 2:01:37am

re: #112 littleoldlady

Good morning, afternoon, evening *everyone*!™

Fruitcup is on the buffet → → → → →
Help yourselves!

Thank you lol. Just in time the natives were getting restless.

118 Fenway_Nation  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 2:02:05am

re: #105 Mel Lono

The 0ne's faults were- in theory- there for all to see...yet miraculously avoided any serious scrutiny by the MSM once it became clear he was going to get the DNC nod. One insidous byproduct of the 0bama-plugs campaign that will carry over to his Administration will be the White House, Dems and their MSM allies shrieking 'Racism!' every time one of 0bama's policies gets questioned (thanks again for your role in making this possible- however indirect).

Another telling sign that you made the right decision by staying home like a petulant little child was how joyful the enemies of this country were at the results of this election. I'm so glad the Republic has regained some of it's esteem in the eyes of Hamas, Evo Morales, Mahmous Ahmedinejahd and Kim Il Jong...I was born too late to fully appreciate the joys of the Carter Administration, but I appreciate you doing your level best to make certain I relive those glorious times.

119 Erik The Red  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 2:02:55am

re: #113 Mel Lono

Morning maam. Fruit cup is a little sour tonight.

Fruitcup is just fine. You are being asshole tonight you are the sour one.

120 littleoldlady  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 2:03:43am

Buster! :-)

Erik! :-)

Fenway! :-)

121 BlueCanuck  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 2:03:48am

re: #104 Mel Lono

Well, you threw away your vote and whining and complaining about the runner doesn't win you friends. I despise people who say their vote is worthless. In my riding, my vote is worthless. Has been for several elections. BUT I STILL VOTE! You never know when it can turn the tide. Yeah, John McCain was a poor choice. But at least it was better then the alternative. So quit your whinging and whining and stop complaining about the president you are going to get. By not voting you have given up your right to complain about the government.

/rant mode off.

122 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 2:04:33am

Are we there yet?re: #114 littleoldlady

Slumbering! :-)

I used to be cool. That was before I became pathetic.

/good times, good times...

Bite your tongue, Lady. I think you're cool. Heh, but maybe I'm pathetic too?

Nah, scratch that. You're cool.

Hate to eat fruitcup and run, but it's time I crash. G'nite Lizards.

123 Render  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 2:05:23am

FRUITCUP,
R

124 BlueCanuck  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 2:05:47am

re: #112 littleoldlady

Thanks for the fruitcup littleoldlady. It seems to have something a little extra this morning.

125 Sharmuta  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 2:06:35am

re: #122 Slumbering Behemoth

I agree- lol is teh cool.

126 littleoldlady  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 2:06:36am

re: #115 Sharmuta

A WHOLE STATE (and its song) -- also pathetic! ;-)

/good company

127 Sharmuta  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 2:07:28am

re: #124 BlueCanuck

Thanks for the fruitcup littleoldlady. It seems to have something a little extra this morning.

Yeah- something... Enough to make me link to polka.

128 littleoldlady  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 2:08:10am

'Night, Slumbering! :-)

129 Fenway_Nation  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 2:09:22am

re: #95 Sharmuta

What time is kickoff for the Patriots game this weekend? I didn't think an 11-5 record was quite good enough for a 1st round bye, but that must be the case since they didn't play last weekend. Wonder how they'd match up against Tennessee?

/denial mode

130 littleoldlady  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 2:10:05am

RENDER! :-)

131 BlueCanuck  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 2:10:40am

Night Slumbering.

132 Mel Lono  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 2:12:36am

Another telling sign that you made the right decision by staying home like a petulant little child was how joyful the enemies of this country .. Boston

You lower yourself. I made my choice because I could not vote for a man that has done more to emasculate the Republican Party that I grew up with. You can continue to throw insults my way if you wish.

133 shiplord kirel  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 2:13:34am

re: #2 Sharmuta

Modern liberal motto: Evil is the victim of Good.

Remember that in the days and weeks ahead, for the modern liberals will do everything in their power to make sure Evil has allies while Good is punished.

It's starting. Just heard on ABC radio that Israel is considering a cease-fire in Gaza in the aftermath of the UN school incident yesterday. Essentially, they are surrendering to the depraved international media and their ruthless propaganda tactics. At this point, I can only conclude that the latter are consciously aimed at facilitating genocide.

134 Sharmuta  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 2:15:24am

re: #133 shiplord kirel

No... *shaking head*

135 BlueCanuck  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 2:18:17am

re: #132 Mel Lono

I wonder how many times I have held my nose while voting? I only missed one election in my life. One. I still wonder to this day if my vote could have counted.

136 Mel Lono  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 2:18:52am

LaBATTY Blue Where in this diatribe have I whined or complained about the One! This argument started about why I didnt vote J.,McCain. Please read before ingesting. And, BTFW I did vote for all the local and state issues that were important to me and those I care about. Der Arnold is ready to enact state income, sales and gas tax increases that would kill the sixth largest economy in the world. And yeah, I didn't vote for him!

137 shiplord kirel  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 2:19:15am

re: #134 Sharmuta

No... *shaking head*

It may only be media dhimmis attempting to connect the human shield success with some kind of offer Israel is considering, when in fact there is no connection. The purpose, of course, is to demonize Israel and facilitate its gradual destruction.

138 Ledger1  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 2:21:08am

re: #133 shiplord kirel

Debka has always been sort of flaky. Can anyone verify this report?

DEBKAfile's military sources report that Israel announced Wednesday, Jan. 7 a three-hour daily halt in military operations from 1 p.m. to 4 p.m. as a goodwill gesture for the passage of humanitarian aid. Israel will suspend attacks in certain areas – though not the entire territory - to allow people to get supplies. The measure takes immediate effect.

See: Three hours ceasefire

I see nothing from Carl in Jerusalem at 2:23 AM Pacific time

139 Mel Lono  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 2:21:55am

My first vote in 1976 was for then Mr. Reagan in the primary v. Ford. He was a patient man. So am I.

140 Fenway_Nation  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 2:22:38am

re: #132 Mel Lono


I made my choice because I could not vote for a man that has done will do more to emasculate the Republican Party United States of America that I grew up with in and served.

And that's how I spent my Election Day...

141 shiplord kirel  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 2:25:03am

re: #138 Ledger1

Debka has always been sort of flaky. Can anyone verify this report?

DEBKAfile's military sources report that Israel announced Wednesday, Jan. 7 a three-hour daily halt in military operations from 1 p.m. to 4 p.m. as a goodwill gesture for the passage of humanitarian aid. Israel will suspend attacks in certain areas – though not the entire territory - to allow people to get supplies. The measure takes immediate effect.

See: Three hours ceasefire

I see nothing from Carl in Jerusalem at 2:23 AM Pacific time

CNN Wire has it:
Israel offers daily break from Gaza strikes

Israel will halt its bombardment of Gaza for three hours every day to allow residents of the Hamas-ruled Palestinian territory to obtain needed supplies, a military spokesman said Wednesday.

The announcement follows Israel’s decision to open a “humanitarian corridor” into Gaza in response to mounting concerns about shortages of food, water and medicine in the territory. The military did not immediately say when the bombing halt would begin, however.

142 gregg  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 2:25:46am

Oh no, not another global warming post! Well, I'll post it anyway, because it's more about a Russia power play linked to global cooling:

Accuweather.com’s chief long-range and hurricane forecaster Joe Bastardi observed that Russian Prime Minister Vladimir Putin’s recent cut of gas flows to Europe via Ukraine may have been done so in anticipation of a global cooling cycle on the Jan. 6 “Glenn Beck Show” radio program. Bastardi has a solid reputation among Wall Street traders for understanding weather’s impact on energy commodities.

“The thing I want to bring up here – very interesting – most of the solar cycle studies that we know about and that guys like me read have come out of the Russian scientists,” Bastardi said. “But when Glasnost developed, the Russian scientists, a lot of their ideas on the coming cool period that a lot of us believe is going to occur – ice, rather than fire is the big problem down the road here 2030, 2040, and the reversing cyclical cycles of the ocean – it came out of the East.”

According to Bastardi – Putin is relying on the data from the Russian scientists and wants to bring some European nations to their knees by exploiting their reliance on natural gas when the weather is at its coldest.

“Now my theory – something that I put out and it’s something that’s not something that people want to hear is that Putin knows what is going to happen – or he believes the same way I do about the overall climate pattern. So, if you control the pipeline into Europe, you literally can control Europe without firing a shot – if you control the energy.”

[Link: wattsupwiththat.com...]

143 Mel Lono  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 2:26:25am

I respect your service and will do all I can to live up to the oath that we both took.

144 Ledger1  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 2:27:26am

re: #141 shiplord kirel

Doesn't look good on the surface (at least to me). Does anyone see any good in this 3 hour daily cease fire?

145 Spare O'Lake  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 2:30:37am

Good Morning LGF.
Israel has apparently agreed to a daily 3 hour ceasefire in order to allow humanitarian supplies to be brought into Gaza.
/How nice for Hamas./

I just watched Israeli Ambassador to Great Britain Ron Prosser being interviewed on BBC Hardtalk. According to him Israel's precondition for a ceasefire is "a mechanism which will prevent smuggling of weapons into Gaza from Egypt."
To me this sounds like lipservice to some kind of bullshit ineffective arrangement over which Israel will have no real control.
/But what do I know?/

Meanwhile on a more positive note, Israel's Cabinet is considering whether to extend its operation to a full occupation of all of Gaza, including the south...

146 Fenway_Nation  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 2:31:04am

re: #144 Ledger1


I see nothing good coming from the quisling media dictating the terms of Israel's incursion into Gaza.

147 Sharmuta  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 2:31:43am

re: #144 Ledger1

Doesn't look good on the surface (at least to me). Does anyone see any good in this 3 hour daily cease fire?

Daily hudna?

148 Fenway_Nation  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 2:32:41am

re: #147 Sharmuta

Daily hudna?


Rotating title candidate?

149 Sharmuta  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 2:32:51am

Playing nice gets the Israelis nothing, nothing, every time it's tried.

150 Fenway_Nation  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 2:37:53am

re: #149 Sharmuta


Why do you think those f*cking quislings in the MSM want Israel to play nice on the battlefield and at the negotiating table?

151 Buster Bunny  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 2:38:01am

re: #149 Sharmuta

Playing nice gets the Israelis nothing, nothing, every time it's tried.

Sharmuta .. this battle is lost if its played nice, and accomodates either the US requests or the media's push for a treaty. This goes on every time that things go the right way for the Israelis .. and its just about time that diplomacy either worked with some gain or benefit for the Israelis to get out of a ceasefire, or its time to change the realities on the ground.

Dont forget .. for Yom Kippur this year .. the Iranians sent a New Year gift of 1000 tonnes of radioactive sand. Not even with a HAPPY NEW YEAR card either.

Dont kid yourself. Israel cant afford to do things by halves at this point in time.

152 Sharmuta  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 2:41:07am

re: #150 Fenway_Nation

Why do you think those f*cking quislings in the MSM want Israel to play nice on the battlefield and at the negotiating table?

Because Evil is the victim of Good and needs allies.

153 Shiplord Kirel  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 2:41:15am

re: #146 Fenway_Nation

I see nothing good coming from the quisling media dictating the terms of Israel's incursion into Gaza.

Follow his path, share his fate: Vidkun Quisling

Never has a person's name so perfectly echoed his role in history:

"To writers, the word Quisling is a gift from the gods. If they had been ordered to invent a new word for traitor... they could hardly have hit upon a more brilliant combination of letters. Actually it contrives to suggest something at once slippery and tortuous."
154 Ledger1  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 2:46:46am

re: #146 Fenway_Nation

I don't see this but a 3 hour chance for more hostage taking, human shields to be gotten, and stupid “peace protesters” to hamstring military operations.

re: #147 Sharmuta

Heh, Daily hudna? That is about the size of it.


This is no way to fight and win a war against a brutal enemy who has many rich friends in the area.

155 Mel Lono  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 2:46:48am

re: #148 Fenway_Nation

re: #150 Fenway_Nation

Safe to talk football.. then Chargers v. Steelers... ever try to catch a squirrel on an ice rink?

156 Buster Bunny  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 2:47:40am

re: #153 Shiplord Kirel

There are comparisons throughout history.

And fiction too.

Follow his path, share his fate: Zaphod BeebleBrox

If only he'd used his two heads for good instead of just going out, becoming president of the galaxy, and stealing a spaceship with a galactic hyperdrive, there would never have been any need for bringing the mice back in from the cold.

Damn Vogon Hyperspace bypass.

157 Shiplord Kirel  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 2:50:48am

re: #156 Buster Bunny

"Quisling" as chief traitor and collaborator is like having Dimmie von Schill as the president of CNN.
I actually knew a person named "Dimmie" once, a girl in my 6th grade class.

158 Fenway_Nation  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 2:51:23am

re: #153 Shiplord Kirel

I only found out in the last decade that Quisling was actually a person. Made me wonder how many Quislings there currently are in the Oslo phone directory...

159 Mel Lono  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 3:01:19am

Now it's official. Dead

160 Fenway_Nation  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 3:01:44am

re: #155 Mel Lono


Negatory on the squirrel (or other woodland creature) on the ice rink.

As for the Steelers and Chargers, I;m still having a hard time wrapping my head around an 8-8 team advancing while an 11-5 team sits out the playoffs. But at least I'm not a Colts fan trying to wrap my head around our quarterback winning the MVP, finishing with a 12-4 record and getting bounced out of the 1st round of the playoffs by the aforementioned 8-8 team.

The Dolphins did their level best to make sure everyone forgot they were division winners.

161 Mel Lono  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 3:03:20am

Box of Rain

162 Mel Lono  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 3:04:40am

Scarlet Begonias
163 Shiplord Kirel  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 3:07:02am

From Al Reuters:

Israeli leaders to debate "final" Gaza push

Israeli leaders will debate on Wednesday whether to order their armed forces to storm into the Gaza Strip's urban centres, the planned culmination of a nearly two-week-old offensive, political sources said.

Escalating from a week-long air assault, Israeli troops and tanks invaded the Hamas-ruled territory on Saturday, clashing with Palestinian guerrillas but not advancing beyond the outskirts of the city of Gaza or other densely populated areas.

Israel called the initial ground sweep the "second stage" of the operation, without saying what could follow. The opacity helped spur a frenzy of international mediation to secure a truce under which Hamas would stop cross-border rocket fire.

Prime Minister Ehud Olmert's security cabinet, due to convene on Wednesday, would discuss the third -- and final -- stage of the offensive, two senior political sources said, though the ministers may defer a vote on approving the plan.

"The plan is to enter the urban centres," said one source, declining to be named.

Postponing a final decision on the plan could allow Israel to keep its forces in readiness while maintaining leeway for any breakthrough in possible truce talks led by Egypt.

Olmert's spokesman Mark Regev declined to comment on Wednesday's meeting, saying: "We do not generally discuss the agendas of the security cabinet."

164 Ledger1  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 3:07:18am

After hearing Israel is letting the “camel” stick its nose under the tent I hold little hope for lasting safety for their civilian population.

I got to sign off.

165 Mel Lono  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 3:09:10am

re: #160 Fenway_Nation

As long as Ben stays put, we have a chance. Defense will win this one. Squirrell Sproles will not be under the radar this time and LT is not healthy. If we can't light up the airways, it'll be a kicker's game. My best guess is 13-9. Chargers. Be Good.

166 BlueCanuck  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 3:13:33am

re: #158 Fenway_Nation

I only found out in the last decade that Quisling was actually a person. Made me wonder how many Quislings there currently are in the Oslo phone directory...

Actually there's one. If I read the page correctly. :)

/internet, isn't there anything I can't find?

167 Timbre  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 3:15:10am

There is a wonderful short book by Isaiah Berlin on Leo Tolstoy's philosophy of history entitled, "The Hedgehog and the Fox." (ISBN 1-56663-019-3). Are you a hedgehog who relates everything to one big thing, or a fox who knows and pursues many things? Great reading!

168 Fenway_Nation  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 3:17:07am

re: #166 BlueCanuck

Actually there's one. If I read the page correctly. :)

/internet, isn't there anything I can't find?


My Lithuanian Mail-order bride?

/Sure hope that's 'mail' order...not 'male'

169 BlueCanuck  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 3:24:23am

re: #168 Fenway_Nation

My Lithuanian Mail-order bride?

/Sure hope that's 'mail' order...not 'male'

Sorry, you are on your own for that one.

/all else fails use babel fish first. :D

170 Fenway_Nation  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 3:24:34am

re: #165 Mel Lono

Someone should remind Rivers not to get an intentional grounding penalty while in the end-zone this time around.

171 whiterasta  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 3:30:47am

re: #142 gregg

I thought eurabia did not need no stinking carbon-gas. They have windmills...

172 goddessoftheclassroom  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 3:31:38am

Good morning, Lizards.

173 Mel Lono  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 3:32:13am

re: #170 Fenway_Nation

Someone should remind Rivers not to get an intentional grounding penalty while in the end-zone this time around.

Not unless it's in the last 20 secs to make it 13-11.

174 goddessoftheclassroom  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 3:33:08am

re: #165 Mel Lono

As long as Ben stays put, we have a chance. Defense will win this one. Squirrell Sproles will not be under the radar this time and LT is not healthy. If we can't light up the airways, it'll be a kicker's game. My best guess is 13-9. Chargers. Be Good.

NOOO!

It's got to be the Steelers!

175 BlueCanuck  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 3:34:59am

Good morning {goddess}. Did you enjoy your winter break?

176 Sharmuta  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 3:36:01am

Good morning, goddess.

177 Spare O'Lake  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 3:37:53am

If Israel wants to win this war, it must now impose a complete news blackout on its Gaza operations. This must include a complete shutdown of all electronic communications between Gazans and the outside, including cellphones and internet.
In this way, Israel will be in a better position to fight its war against the Islamofascist Terrorist Entities in Gaza without being forced to waste its valuable energies on fighting an unwinnable media war being waged against it by the entire MSM.
Nightly press releases by IDF can be used to keep Israelis informed.
In a week or two, as the dust settles on the bones of the enemy, there will be plenty of time for the media feeding frenzy.
Israel is at war and should manage information flows in a way which best serves the war effort.

178 goddessoftheclassroom  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 3:38:24am

{BlueCanuck}
{Sharmuta}

Yes, thanks! Of course, now it's back to the whirlwind, but it's fun, too.

179 Mel Lono  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 3:39:42am

Good night Liz. Round 3 tomorrow?

180 gregg  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 3:43:16am

re: #171 whiterasta

I thought eurabia did not need no stinking carbon-gas. They have windmills...

Russia thinks global cooling is coming and they're planning on using their natural gas to hold Europe hostage - it sounds like the start of a new Cold War (pun intended).

181 Erik The Red  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 3:43:28am

re: #172 goddessoftheclassroom

Good morning, Lizards.

Good morning {goddess}

182 whiterasta  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 3:45:22am

re: #180 gregg

I wonder if Putin knows something The Great Goracle does not know...

183 Spare O'Lake  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 3:46:26am

re: #172 goddessoftheclassroom

Hi Teach.

184 BlueCanuck  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 3:47:02am

re: #182 whiterasta

The Great Goracle is like most other false prophets. Long on wind and short on facts. I don't think one short term prediction he's made has come true. In fact most of the opposite has happened. I personally am preparing to welcome our polar bear overlords.

185 Fenway_Nation  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 3:54:53am

re: #182 whiterasta

First cut off the gas supplies of Europe...then they will be easy prey for the super-secret army of highly trained ManBearPigs

186 Spare O'Lake  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 3:54:56am

re: #182 whiterasta

We are witnessing, I think, an attempt by Russia to blackmail Europe into quietly watching while the Russkies make their move to bring Ukraine to its knees.

187 goddessoftheclassroom  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 3:57:20am

re: #186 Spare O'Lake

We are witnessing, I think, an attempt by Russia to blackmail Europe into quietly watching while the Russkies make their move to bring Ukraine to its knees.

I think you're right. I also think that they think America is too tied up in the Middle East/Afghanistan to stop them.

188 Empire1  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 3:58:18am

re: #30 rawmuse

You might enjoy Gordon R. Dickson's Tactics of Mistake, then. It's science fiction, from his Childe Cycle -- specifically, early in the history of the Dorsai.

189 Sharmuta  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 4:05:15am

Russia? They're going fascist.

190 scottishbuzzsaw  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 4:10:07am

re: #189 Sharmuta

Russia? They're going fascist.

Good morning, {Shar}. I'm sure Putin would love to be "President for Life."

191 Sharmuta  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 4:19:01am

re: #190 scottishbuzzsaw

{Scotti}! Been missing you, Sweetie.

192 abolitionist  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 4:21:19am

re: #93 Fenway_Nation

Hooray! You've won! I'm sure we're going to be 1000 times better off with Bill Ayer's candidate in the white house.

Hugo Chavez, Vlad Putin and Robert Mugabe seem to second that.

Sojourners, Qadaffy and Achmedinejad, too.

193 Spare O'Lake  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 4:22:08am

re: #190 scottishbuzzsaw

Good morning, {Shar}. I'm sure Putin would love to be "President for Life."

Czar Vladimir I.

194 3 wood  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 4:24:11am

Good morning

Look for the market to open down as the overnight futures are down fractionally, the Nikkei was up 1.74% but the Hang Seng was down 3.37%.

The drop back is due mainly to the announcement by Alcoa of 13,500 staffing cuts:

U.S. stock futures drop after Alcoa production cut

LONDON (MarketWatch) -- Caution from metals giant Alcoa helped drag U.S. stock futures lower on Wednesday as an up-and-down week continued.
S&P 500 futures dropped 6.4 points to 924.10 and Nasdaq 100 futures lost 4.75 points to 1,266.20. Dow industrial futures slipped 64 points.
"Alcoa's production and job cuts announcement came out after the bell last night and that is set to weigh down the market today, in addition to some general edginess ahead of the ADP private sector payrolls report," said Martin Slaney, head of derivatives at London-based GFT.
U.S. stocks closed higher Tuesday as President-elect Obama stumped for his recovery plan on Capitol Hill, even as minutes from the December Open Market Committee meeting offered a bleak view of the economy. The Dow industrials rose 62 points, the Nasdaq Composite rose 24 points and the S&P 500 added 7 points.

195 scottishbuzzsaw  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 4:25:10am

re: #191 Sharmuta

{Scotti}! Been missing you, Sweetie.

Missing you, too, Hon...did you have a nice Christmas and New Year's?

196 scottishbuzzsaw  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 4:25:57am

re: #193 Spare O'Lake

Czar Vladimir I.

Indeed. Good morning, Spare! How are you today?

197 3 wood  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 4:26:03am

Keep an eye on the natural gas situation in Europe. This could et very nasty:

Ukraine gas pipelines shut down

LONDON (MarketWatch) -- The supply of Russian natural gas to Europe through Ukraine completely halted Wednesday, escalating the stand-off over supplies just as temperatures are plunging across the region.
The two sides continued to blame each other for the shortage that is starting to hit numerous European countries, the BBC reported. Russian gas monopoly Gazprom (UK:OGZD: news , chart , profile ) claimed Ukraine had closed the last pipeline to Europe, while Ukraine's Naftogaz said Russia had halted all supplies, the report added.
The row between the two countries erupted after they failed to agree a new pricing deal for natural gas, which resulted in Russia cutting off supplies to Ukraine's domestic market on Jan. 1.
Since then European supplies that pass through Ukraine have been increasingly affected, with Russia accusing Ukraine of stealing gas destined for other countries, while Ukraine has accused Russia of slowly turning off the taps.

198 Spare O'Lake  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 4:26:34am

Someone should tell Putin to just keep his shirt on.

199 Sharmuta  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 4:29:14am

re: #195 scottishbuzzsaw

I can't complain. You?

200 aussiemagpie  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 4:29:21am

G'day from Down Under to {everyone}

A question for you - what is a snuggie? Seen ^^^and I've never heard of it :-)

Another hot night in Sydney, cool change on the way

Cool Change - Little River Band - great Aussie band from the 70s

201 Spare O'Lake  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 4:29:31am

re: #196 scottishbuzzsaw

Indeed. Good morning, Spare! How are you today?

Fine thanks, and you?

202 scottishbuzzsaw  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 4:31:12am

re: #199 Sharmuta

I can't complain. You?

Lovely and quiet, the perfect condition for a couple of introverts! ;>)

203 scottishbuzzsaw  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 4:31:48am

re: #201 Spare O'Lake

Fine thanks, and you?

Just peachy, now that the coffee is hitting the bloodstream!

204 aussiemagpie  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 4:33:06am

And could you help me?

I can't find directions on how to embed a video here, and I didn't take much notice when Charles posted everything about this

So how do I do it? Thanks in advance :-)

205 Neo Con since 9-11  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 4:33:56am

re: #200 aussiemagpie

Snuggie

206 Sharmuta  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 4:35:59am

re: #204 aussiemagpie

Just paste the URL into the comment form.

207 Spare O'Lake  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 4:36:05am

re: #204 aussiemagpie

And could you help me?

I can't find directions on how to embed a video here, and I didn't take much notice when Charles posted everything about this

So how do I do it? Thanks in advance :-)

Just copy and paste the link right into the comment box, without using the link button.

208 MandyManners  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 4:36:14am

I screwed up positioning the basket thingy that goes over the coffee pot so four cups of water backed up and--along with the coffee grounds--spilled all over the counter, the front of the cabinets and the floor. I didn't notice this until it had quit brewing because I was busy making sure The Kid's snack and drink were in his back-pack and that all his study materials for this week's exams were in place.

So, instead of taking five minutes, it took me almost 45 minutes to get my coffee 'cause grounds were everywhere. I'm about ready to go back to drinking tea in the mornings.

209 3 wood  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 4:36:59am

Talk about it being a small world. I used to see this guy hanging around coffee shops around town here.

Suspect Shot Dead After High-Speed Chase in Central Illinois

NORMAL, Ill. — A man suspected of robbing four banks died several hours after being shot by police following a high-speed chase around Normal in central Illinois.

The man, identified by McLean County Coroner Beth Kimmerling as Robert Sylvester of Bloomington, robbed a Bloomington currency exchange at gunpoint on Monday and fled in his vehicle, authorities said.

Click here for photos of the dramatic chase.

Police began a pursuit around 3 p.m. on Interstate 55. Authorities said the chase reached speeds of more than 90 mph.

Witnesses said the 57-year-old Sylvester jumped out of the vehicle near the Peoria exit onto I-74 just north of Normal Community West High School. They say the man leaped over a concrete barrier and showed a gun.

If you look close at the pictures, you can see he was smoking a cigar when he tried to shoot it out with the police.

210 abolitionist  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 4:38:03am

re: #208 MandyManners

Tea may be disageeable on an empty stomach. It is for me.

211 Spare O'Lake  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 4:38:45am

re: #208 MandyManners

Bummer. That should be your biggest problem of the day.

212 MandyManners  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 4:38:51am

re: #198 Spare O'Lake

Someone should tell Putin to just keep his shirt on.

Not bad for a 56-year-old man.

213 Sharmuta  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 4:39:05am

re: #206 Sharmuta

That was not what I thought it was. Let me try again

214 MandyManners  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 4:39:33am

re: #210 abolitionist

Tea may be disageeable on an empty stomach. It is for me.

My tummy's fine with tea but, the caffeine is just too powerful.

215 scottishbuzzsaw  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 4:39:45am

re: #208 MandyManners

I screwed up positioning the basket thingy that goes over the coffee pot so four cups of water backed up and--along with the coffee grounds--spilled all over the counter, the front of the cabinets and the floor. I didn't notice this until it had quit brewing because I was busy making sure The Kid's snack and drink were in his back-pack and that all his study materials for this week's exams were in place.

So, instead of taking five minutes, it took me almost 45 minutes to get my coffee 'cause grounds were everywhere. I'm about ready to go back to drinking tea in the mornings.

Been there, done that with a 10-cup pot, what a mess! Condolences!

216 scottishbuzzsaw  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 4:40:42am

Breakfast...BBIAB.

217 MandyManners  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 4:41:15am

re: #211 Spare O'Lake

Bummer. That should be your biggest problem of the day.

This is what I'm thinking. If it is, I'm blessed.

218 MandyManners  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 4:41:37am

re: #215 scottishbuzzsaw

Been there, done that with a 10-cup pot, what a mess! Condolences!

Ten cups? Oh, brother!

219 hous bin pharteen  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 4:42:23am

13 days till Obama's inaugural and his new song with R.E.M.

"It's the end of the world and we know it, but I feel fine"

220 3 wood  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 4:42:53am

Oil supplies are continuing to back up at sea:

Oil Traders Seek Another 10 Supertankers for Storage

Jan. 7 (Bloomberg) -- Oil traders are seeking as many as 10 supertankers to store crude, potentially taking the amount hoarded at sea to almost five days of European Union demand, according to Frontline Ltd., the largest owner of the vessels.

About 25 of the carriers, each able to hold about 2 million barrels of crude, were already hired for storage. There are enquiries for 5 to 10 more, Jens Martin Jensen, Singapore-based interim chief executive officer of the company’s management unit, said by phone today. Traders are storing crude to take advantage of higher prices for supply in the future.

221 Spare O'Lake  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 4:42:55am

Gotta go deal with the climate change.
BBL.

222 razorbacker  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 4:43:40am

The Israeli Air Force learned its lesson from the 2006 campaign against Hezbollah in southern Lebanon.

Hamas is suitably shocked, or so it appears from what Arab language reporters are broadcasting from within Gaza. There's a higher than expected use of faked bomb victim stories, which is largely attributable to the greater precision with which the air force is identifying and hitting targets. Hamas appears to be in disarray, having been hit with a more devastating attack than their Hezbollah advisors had endured. As a result, Hezbollah is getting nervous about what a second round of fighting in southern Lebanon might do to them.

The U.S. has supplied Israel with just about every smart bomb in the American arsenal. Not just to help out an ally, but so that American and Israeli air force planners can compare notes after this is all over

Looks like those 4K microJDAMs are being used up pretty fast.

223 razorbacker  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 4:45:13am

re: #215 scottishbuzzsaw

Been there, done that with a 10-cup pot, what a mess! Condolences!

Ours claims to be a 10 cupper, too. But we only get 4 mugs from it.

Prolly a lesson somewhere in there, but I'm not going to look too hard for it.

224 MandyManners  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 4:45:59am
225 aussiemagpie  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 4:46:10am

re: #205 Neo Con since 9-11

Snuggie

Thanks so much, it sounded for a moment like disposable nappies (what you call diapers)!

And they look a bit like monk's robes

226 legalpad  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 4:46:11am

re: #209 3 wood

This guy is 57? He looks 70-something. And what a tiny little gun! And no cover! Just stand there by your car and shoot it out with two or three guys that your own tax money pays! I guess you have to be mental to get your money like that -

227 MandyManners  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 4:46:43am

re: #223 razorbacker

Ours claims to be a 10 cupper, too. But we only get 4 mugs from it.

Prolly a lesson somewhere in there, but I'm not going to look too hard for it.

I suspect there's math stuff involved. I'd leave it alone, too.

228 aussiemagpie  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 4:47:14am

re: #206 Sharmuta

Just paste the URL into the comment form.

Thanks :-) Too easy!

229 abolitionist  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 4:47:47am

re: #220 3 wood

Oil supplies are continuing to back up at sea:

Oil Traders Seek Another 10 Supertankers for Storage

For the very short term, that may be sensible. But if those are tankers diverted from routine transport, that strategy effectively constricts supply, and drives up price.

230 aussiemagpie  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 4:48:26am

re: #207 Spare O'Lake

Just copy and paste the link right into the comment box, without using the link button.

Thanks :-)

I'll have a go before too many people are here to see me stuff it up!

231 [deleted]  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 4:48:35am
232 Sharmuta  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 4:48:41am

re: #228 aussiemagpie

Also- below the comment form, under "How to enter special characters" is "How to embed videos". But yes- it's incredibly easy.

233 Rancher  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 4:49:37am

Israel has called a cease fire. Maybe they don't deserve to survive. What does Russia care about world opinion? They seem to survive.

234 3 wood  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 4:50:22am

The MSM is trying to figure out how to deal with Franken.

Al Franken presents a challenge for Hill reporters
Commentary: Can journalists look past the goofy persona of the politician?

NEW YORK (MarketWatch) - When I ponder the legacy of U.S. Senator-to-be Al Franken, I find it hard not to laugh. And I mean that respectfully.

Well, I predict they will make the guy out to be the 2nd coming of Woodrow Wilson. Get a load of this slobbering from the same article:

Franken began to carve out a more thoughtful persona in his best-selling books and, especially, during his show on left-leaning Air America Radio.
Still, I suspect that reporters who grew accustomed to laughing at Franken's antics and characters now have the challenge of accepting the notion that he seems poised to join the hallowed U.S. Senate, representing Minnesota.
Two months after Gopher State voters went to the polls to elect a senator, Franken finally has been declared the unofficial winner. While the outcome may continue to be tied up in lawsuits a bit longer, Franken has apparently defeated Republican Norm Coleman by a scant margin of a few hundred votes.
"Reporters will have to get past the celebrity aspect and his 'Saturday Night Live' characters," noted Michael Calderone, media reporter for Politico.com.
Calderone suggests that the lengthy recount actually helped Franken in his attempt to craft a weightier image with journalists and the American public.
"The Minnesota Senate race was so closely watched that people got to watch him throughout and some people are already comfortable with him as a political person," Calderone said.

The MSM has no end to their shameless worship of the left.

235 Neo Con since 9-11  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 4:50:36am

re: #227 MandyManners

Congratulations, I just noticed you recently became the lizard with the most posted comments having finally surpassed the departed Babba.

236 Erik The Red  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 4:50:50am

re: #200 aussiemagpie

G'day from Down Under to {everyone}

A question for you - what is a snuggie? Seen ^^^and I've never heard of it :-)

Another hot night in Sydney, cool change on the way

Cool Change - Little River Band - great Aussie band from the 70s

Morning aussie. Well done to your teams win. SA almost drew this only 10 balls. Smith is a warrior. Looking forward to the 20 20 and one days.

237 aussiemagpie  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 4:51:19am

re: #232 Sharmuta

Also- below the comment form, under "How to enter special characters" is "How to embed videos". But yes- it's incredibly easy.

Oh dear, I didn't see that at all (even with my new glasses)

Thanks!

238 MandyManners  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 4:51:38am

re: #231 taxfreekiller

Mandy,

that clean up is why dogs live in houses,
one lick at a time,,,

I don't know if I like the idea of a Yorkie eating coffee grounds--she's hyper as is.

239 rightside  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 4:51:42am

Morning Lizards.

240 gregg  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 4:51:55am

re: #200 aussiemagpie

G'day from Down Under to {everyone}

Another hot night in Sydney, cool change on the way

Cool Change - Little River Band - great Aussie band from the 70s

Cool Change / Help Is On Its Way / Reminiscing / Lady - Nice trip down memory lane - thanks.

241 MandyManners  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 4:52:07am

re: #233 Rancher

Israel has called a cease fire. Maybe they don't deserve to survive. What does Russia care about world opinion? They seem to survive.

A cease-fire? THEY JUST GOT GOING!

242 MandyManners  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 4:52:40am

re: #235 Neo Con since 9-11

Congratulations, I just noticed you recently became the lizard with the most posted comments having finally surpassed the departed Babba.

I think Realwest has more. I haven't checked.

243 3 wood  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 4:52:43am

re: #229 abolitionist

For the very short term, that may be sensible.

Good point. Short term is all these guys think about. For them, next month is long term.

244 [deleted]  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 4:53:51am
245 aussiemagpie  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 4:53:52am

re: #236 Erik The Red

Morning aussie. Well done to your teams win. SA almost drew this only 10 balls. Smith is a warrior. Looking forward to the 20 20 and one days.

Hello Erik, and yes, Graeme Smith got a standing ovation when he came onto the SCG - It was at work still, but I took time out to watch the last few overs

Man of the Series -Graeme Smith and deservedly so!

246 razorbacker  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 4:54:03am

Atrocities On Demand

The most useful Palestinian tactic was the staged "atrocity" or "funeral."...Palestinian organizations also find that they can get unfavorable (to their cause) videos on sites like YouTube removed by just complaining to YouTube management. These videos are often, but not always, restored after someone points out to YouTube that they have been played by terrorist supporters.

I've commented before that the mainstream view of Israel has flipped 180 degrees from my youth. For much of the world's population, perception is reality.

Ignore this at your own peril.

247 MandyManners  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 4:54:25am

re: #240 gregg

Cool Change / Help Is On Its Way / Reminiscing / Lady - Nice trip down memory lane - thanks.

You forgot Reminiscing.

248 [deleted]  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 4:54:40am
249 legalpad  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 4:55:20am

re: #212 MandyManners

Not bad for a 56-year-old man.

Yeah - That's more normal. Compare that to the allegedly 57 year-old in the story from #209.

250 reine.de.tout  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 4:55:37am

re: #223 razorbacker

Ours claims to be a 10 cupper, too. But we only get 4 mugs from it.

Prolly a lesson somewhere in there, but I'm not going to look too hard for it.

One mug of coffee = 2 cups.

251 Neo Con since 9-11  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 4:57:52am

re: #242 MandyManners

I stand corrected, Real is 322 ahead.

252 opnion  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 4:57:57am

Good morning everybody. I guess we have to reconsider our criticism of Obama for not commenting on the conflict in Gaza.
He appeared weak & indecisive.
Well the Dear Leader has now courageously take a stand, he regrets civilian casualties on both sides.

253 gregg  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 4:58:54am

re: #247 MandyManners

You forgot Reminiscing.

[Video]

I probably listened to those songs on 8-track tape in my purple Gremlin. I kind of miss the 70's...

254 Sharmuta  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 4:59:07am

re: #241 MandyManners

There's talk of a three out break daily to allow supplies into Gaza, or as I dubbed it, "a daily hudna".

255 opnion  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 5:00:48am

re: #253 gregg

I probably listened to those songs on 8-track tape in my purple Gremlin. I kind of miss the 70's...

"Take it easy on me" was their signature hit. I have them on disk.
Great band

256 MandyManners  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 5:01:40am

re: #249 legalpad

Yeah - That's more normal. Compare that to the allegedly 57 year-old in the story from #209.

Putin's life of crime allowed him access to KGB health care and gyms.

257 hous bin pharteen  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 5:01:41am

re: #253 gregg

...a purple Gremlin? Yeash. I thought it was just a movie!

258 MandyManners  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 5:02:13am

re: #251 Neo Con since 9-11

I stand corrected, Real is 322 ahead.

I figured it was a lot higher.

259 aussiemagpie  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 5:02:24am

re: #240 gregg

Cool Change / Help Is On Its Way / Reminiscing / Lady - Nice trip down memory lane - thanks.

Hi, weren't they a great band - we saw them live quite a few times and the shows were always wonderful!

Now to practise embedding

260 Broomer  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 5:02:25am

re: #254 Sharmuta

There's talk of a three out break daily to allow supplies into Gaza, or as I dubbed it, "a daily hudna".

And if Hamas ever so fire one rocket during that 3 hour windows, shut it down, move the Gazans citizens south and declare absolutely no more ceasefire/lull/truce talks.

Which part of "no rockets" they don't understand?

261 MandyManners  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 5:02:49am

re: #253 gregg

I probably listened to those songs on 8-track tape in my purple Gremlin. I kind of miss the 70's...

Same thing in my baby-blue Granada.

262 Sharmuta  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 5:04:00am

re: #260 Broomer

Which part of "no rockets" they don't understand?

The "no" part. Oh- and the "rocket" part.

263 MandyManners  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 5:04:04am

re: #254 Sharmuta

There's talk of a three out break daily to allow supplies into Gaza, or as I dubbed it, "a daily hudna".

This is where a UN-Israeli team would be good: have each truck's contents searched before letting it in.

264 razorbacker  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 5:05:30am

re: #253 gregg

I probably listened to those songs on 8-track tape in my purple Gremlin. I kind of miss the 70's...

8-tracks were marginally better than the record players that were tried in the 50s, but those blasted 8-track tapes only lasted a very short time before they started dragging and distorting the sound.

So you had to be able to open up the case and use a q-tip and vaseline to lube up the rollers and get some more life from the tape. Just another once-useful skillset that I no longer need.

265 nonic  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 5:05:33am

IDIOT SIGHTING:
We had to have the garage door repaired. The Sears repairman told us that one of our problems was that we did not have a 'large' enough motor on the opener. I thought for a minute, and said that we had the largest one Sears made at that time, a 1/2 horsepower. He shook his head and said, 'Lady, you need a 1/4 horsepower.' I responded that 1/2 was larger than 1/4. He said, 'NO, it's not .' Four is larger than two..' We haven't used Sears repair since.

IDIOT SIGHTING :
I live in a semi rural area. We recently had a new neighbor call the local township administrative office to request the removal of the DEER CROSSING sign on our road. The reason: 'Too many deer are being hit by cars out here! I don't think this is a good place for them to be crossing anymore.'

IDIOT SIGHTING:
I was at the airport, checking in at the gate when an airport employee asked, 'Has anyone put anything in your baggage without your knowledge?' To which I replied, 'If it was without my knowledge, how would I know?' He smiled knowingly and nodded,
'That's why we ask.'

IDIOT SIGHTING :
The stoplight on the corner buzzes when it's safe to cross the street. I was crossing with an intellectually challenged coworker of mine. She asked if I knew what the buzzer was for. I explained that it signals blind people when the light is red. Appalled, she responded, 'What on earth are blind people doing driving?!' She was a probation officer in Wichita , KS

IDIOT SIGHTING :
At a good-bye luncheon for an old and dear coworker. She was leaving the company due to 'downsizing.' Our manager commented cheerfully, 'This is fun. We should do this more often.' Not another word was spoken. We all just looked at each other with that deer-in-the-headlights stare. This was a lunch at Texas Instruments.

IDIOT SIGHTING :
I work with an individual, a deputy with the Dallas County Sheriffs office, no less. who plugged her power strip back into itself and for the sake of her life, couldn't understand why her system would not turn on.

IDIOT SIGHTING
When my husband and I arrived at an automobile dealership to pick up our car, we were told the keys had been locked in it. We went to the service department and found a mechanic working feverishly to unlock the driver side door. As I watched from the passenger side, I instinctively tried the door handle and discovered that it was unlocked. 'Hey,' I announced to the technician, 'its open!' His reply, 'I know. I already got that side.' This was at the Ford dealership in Canton, MS

STAY ALERT!
They walk among us…... [editor’s note:] but usually only when Congress ISN’T in session.

266 reine.de.tout  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 5:06:07am
267 MandyManners  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 5:06:09am

Head East.

268 legalpad  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 5:07:31am

re: #256 MandyManners

Putin's life of crime allowed him access to KGB health care and gyms.

Well, old #209 is probably a smoker, drinker, etc. Just take a walk and do some push-ups old man! Don't need much money to be reasonably fit.

269 MandyManners  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 5:08:36am

re: #266 reine.de.tout

Paris "Peace Activists" Cap Off Rally With Looting Spree

Looting for peace? That's like fucking for virginity.

270 MandyManners  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 5:09:12am

re: #268 legalpad

Well, old #209 is probably a smoker, drinker, etc. Just take a walk and do some push-ups old man! Don't need much money to be reasonably fit.

I doubt he hangs out with a healh-conscious crowd.

271 reine.de.tout  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 5:10:37am

re: #269 MandyManners

Looting for peace? That's like fucking for virginity.

I just love your expressions!

272 legalpad  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 5:10:46am

re: #265 nonic

OK - that's getting forwarded!

273 hous bin pharteen  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 5:11:00am

re: #266 reine.de.tout

That is not a "Paris Peace Activists" rally. That is you-tube video from election night parties!

275 scottishbuzzsaw  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 5:11:56am

re: #239 rightside

Morning Lizards.

Morning, rightside...

276 Erik The Red  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 5:11:57am

re: #269 MandyManners

Looting for peace? That's like fucking for virginity.

Once again 2M you knock it out the park. LOL

277 Rancher  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 5:12:16am

re: #241 MandyManners

A cease-fire? THEY JUST GOT GOING!


A three hour a day ceasefire for humanitarian aid to come in. That Hamas will steal and sell. Not to mention what arms and ammo get smuggled in with the aid. Of course now the world will love Israel and quit calling the war genocide.

278 Gang of One  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 5:12:18am

re: #3 Syrah

Do they have students read Niccolo Machiavelli in college nowadays?

Probably not, seeing as he's a DWM -- Dead White Male, and we can't have any of those popping up in our classrooms.
/c'mon

279 scottishbuzzsaw  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 5:12:45am

re: #223 razorbacker

Ours claims to be a 10 cupper, too. But we only get 4 mugs from it.

Prolly a lesson somewhere in there, but I'm not going to look too hard for it.

LOL! Same here...

280 MandyManners  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 5:13:21am

Gotta' go beat The Kid. bbl

281 aussiemagpie  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 5:15:13am

re: #265 nonic

Hello{nonic}!

Now those examples were just brilliant - thanks for posting them

282 Sharmuta  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 5:15:49am

Mandy, et al:

Israel halts campaign for 3 hours to let in aid

I just can't help but feel this will backfire. Playing nice never gets Israel anything but more violence from hamas.

283 nonic  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 5:15:59am

re: #272 legalpad

That was the idea. :-)

284 Erik The Red  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 5:16:15am

re: #277 Rancher

A three hour a day ceasefire for humanitarian aid to come in. That Hamas will steal and sell. Not to mention what arms and ammo get smuggled in with the aid. Of course now the world will love Israel and quit calling the war genocide.

Hey Rancher I haven't seen you around for a while. Thought maybe Rustler tied you up or something. How's prison treating you?

285 aussiemagpie  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 5:17:28am

Just getting ready for Australia Day, 26/1/2009

I'm going embedding crazy :-)

286 razorbacker  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 5:17:54am
287 nonic  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 5:20:32am

re: #281 aussiemagpie

Hi. :-) We got REALLY bad ice this morning in NJ-NY. How's summer by you?

288 bloodnok  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 5:22:13am

Ugh. I can hear the rain and ice hitting the window. It is gonna be a fun walk to work through windy Boston.

289 Rancher  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 5:23:34am

re: #284 Erik The Red

Hey Rancher I haven't seen you around for a while. Thought maybe Rustler tied you up or something. How's prison treating you?


The prison is running me ragged. I've got three jobs with three bosses and then they threw me into Disciplinary for two weeks to replace a vacationing Lieutenant. So with all this work to do yesterday they pulled me to help search B pod. I'm loving it though.

290 aussiemagpie  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 5:24:16am

re: #287 nonic

Hi. :-) We got REALLY bad ice this morning in NJ-NY. How's summer by you?

Heatwave conditions here, however a cool change is on the way - a bit of a breeze has started now so it should be a lot cooler later today

It was one of those "cook an egg on the footpath" days ...

291 hous bin pharteen  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 5:27:48am

More screwed up story of how really bad the Main Stream Moron's are

292 hous bin pharteen  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 5:28:28am

[Link: www.strategypage.com...]

#291 Sorry, I screwed up!

293 scottishbuzzsaw  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 5:29:42am

re: #288 bloodnok

Ugh. I can hear the rain and ice hitting the window. It is gonna be a fun walk to work through windy Boston.

Time for the silly shuffle-on-ice walk...Monty Python would be proud!

294 hous bin pharteen  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 5:31:39am

Later, gators!

295 abolitionist  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 5:34:09am

70,000 Iranian students 'volunteer to carry out suicide bombings in Israel'

but President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad has not responded to their request for permission.

Maybe they get extra credit in their "international peace studies" courses?

296 jester6  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 5:34:26am

re: #282 Sharmuta

The tactical disadvantage created by a 3 hour lull is outweighed by the good PR it brings.

I want to see Hamas crushed and I fear the IDF might one day have to bulldoze Gaza in the Mediterranean. But for now, the IDF still knows the war is being waged in the diplomatic and media theaters as well.

297 razorbacker  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 5:36:11am

The Spotted Owl's New Nemesis

I don't know if this is sadly funny, or mockingly ironic, or just pathetic.

But it also proves that global warmening is useful for explaining just about everything.

298 Crux Australis  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 5:38:41am

re: #285 aussiemagpie

Thank you aussiemagpie. That rendition literally sent shivers down my spine.

As for that cool change. A southerly change can take 1-2 hours to cross the sprawl of Sydney.

299 Erik The Red  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 5:41:21am

Nobody can accuse the IDF of hitting innocent targets. Look at the secondary explosions.

300 jester6  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 5:41:37am

re: #297 razorbacker

The Spotted Owl's New Nemesis

I don't know if this is sadly funny, or mockingly ironic, or just pathetic.

But it also proves that global warmening is useful for explaining just about everything.

It's Gods Will, In Shala, Global Warming. You can use them interchangeably.

301 aussiemagpie  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 5:43:22am

re: #298 Crux Australis

Thank you aussiemagpie. That rendition literally sent shivers down my spine.

As for that cool change. A southerly change can take 1-2 hours to cross the sprawl of Sydney.

The cool breeze is just hitting us now, and it's lovely

Should get to you in an hour or so :-)

I love that Seekers video...

302 Bloodnok  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 5:43:30am

re: #293 scottishbuzzsaw

Time for the silly shuffle-on-ice walk...Monty Python would be proud!

Yup. It's "kid wearing skates" time for me!

303 Salamantis  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 5:44:50am

re: #296 jester6

The tactical disadvantage created by a 3 hour lull is outweighed by the good PR it brings.

I want to see Hamas crushed and I fear the IDF might one day have to bulldoze Gaza in the Mediterranean. But for now, the IDF still knows the war is being waged in the diplomatic and media theaters as well.

The tactic also is meant to drive a wedge between the Hamas jihadis and the rest of the Gazans. I don't foresee such a tactic having much success, but it's worth a (provisional) try. I don't expect it to last, as I expect Hamas jihadis to break the daily truces, and thus end them. Israel could be counting on this happening, and it could be part of their wedge strategy.

304 scottishbuzzsaw  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 5:47:38am

re: #285 aussiemagpie

Just getting ready for Australia Day, 26/1/2009



I'm going embedding crazy :-)

Beautiful...

305 razorbacker  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 5:48:05am

The European Union has demanded the immediate restoration of gas supplies from Russia as the East-West energy crisis sharply pushed up fuel prices and as shortages began to bite across a freezing Europe.

Or they will do...what...exactly?

Perhaps they expect the evile American hegemony to saber-rattle the Russians into turning the gas back on?

306 aussiemagpie  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 5:49:30am

re: #304 scottishbuzzsaw

Beautiful...

Hi, and yes it's just such a wonderful song

Makes me feel tingly all over (not just my leg) :-)

307 Neo Con since 9-11  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 5:50:11am

[Link: www.debka.com...]

DEBKAfile's military sources report that Israel announced Wednesday, Jan. 7 a three-hour daily halt in military operations from 1 p.m. to 4 p.m. as a goodwill gesture for the passage of humanitarian aid. Israel will suspend attacks in certain areas – though not the entire territory - to allow people to get supplies. The measure took immediate effect. Ashkelon took 4 rockets as the Israeli pause began.


Well good will gestures are working just dandy

308 aussiemagpie  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 5:51:36am

Did you know that this year is

The International Year of Astronomy

2009 marks the 400th anniversary of Galileo Galilei's first
astronomical observation through a telescope. It will be a year of worldwide celebration, promoting astronomy and its contribution to
society and culture

309 scottishbuzzsaw  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 5:52:03am

re: #306 aussiemagpie

Hi, and yes it's just such a wonderful song

Makes me feel tingly all over (not just my leg) :-)

Good morning...I'll always have a soft spot for your country for taking in my outlawed clan!

310 Erik The Red  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 5:52:30am

Hey aussie and crux have you seen this?
'Penis fire' suspect is charged

Remind me to never piss off a Sheila.

311 DaddyG  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 5:53:50am

Thank goodness the Coleman campaign is fighting the result of the recount circus. I have been wondering why the Coleman campaign didn't challenge some of the obvious fraud going on during the election. Reports indicate that some of the things concerned conservatives have been calling for the Coleman campaign to fight weren't options until the lawsuit challenge phase which has just begun.

Coleman sues over Minnesota Senate recount result

A lawsuit gives both sides options they lacked during the recount, such as accessing voter rolls, inspecting machines and introducing testimony from election workers.
Coleman's filing includes some of the points his lawyers have been making for weeks. It centers mainly on claims that hundreds of rejected absentee ballots from Republican-leaning areas should have been part of the recount, that some ballots in Democratic territory were counted twice and that election officials were wrong to use machine tallies for a Minneapolis precinct where ballots went missing.

But there are new angles, too.

The lawsuit alleges that the Canvassing Board made mistakes when determining voter intent on challenged ballots, that ineligible voters cast ballots and that some absentee ballots were erroneously opened early, raising chain-of-custody concerns.

As nasty as this makes our election process look - I am glad that someone is fighting back against this blatent fraud or at the very least shoddy election practices (and that is being generous). I hope the result is a public exposure and purging of some of the practices the Dems have been using to steal elections from legitimate voters the last few decades.

312 reine.de.tout  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 5:54:08am

re: #285 aussiemagpie

Just getting ready for Australia Day, 26/1/2009


[Video]

I'm going embedding crazy :-)

Beautiful song, beautifully done!

313 Erik The Red  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 5:55:34am

re: #310 Erik The Red

Oh come on another wacko from you part of the woods aussie. What do you guys smoke over there?///
Sex shop sicko

314 Spare O'Lake  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 5:58:07am

The BBC bitch had a triumphant little smirk on her face as she announced that Israel had finally bowed to world pressure and agreed to a daily 3 hour ceasefire to help the innocent civilians.

I'd like to wipe that self-satisfied look off her dhimmified face.

Maybe this concession will satisfy the MSM bloodlust, but for how long?
And what will EU, UN and/or MSM say about Hamas missile launches during these humanitarian cease-fires?

315 Nevergiveup  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 5:58:31am

French president reports Israel, Palestinian Authority accepted plan for ceasefire presented by Egypt's President Hosni Mubarak Tuesday. Earlier Wednesday Olmert's office says Israel views dialogue as positive step

[Link: www.ynetnews.com...]

But Hamas Representative in Lebanon says they will not accept truce.

And the beat goes on?

316 Erik The Red  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 5:59:26am

bbl Lizards.

317 Nevergiveup  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 5:59:27am

re: #314 Spare O'Lake

The BBC bitch had a triumphant little smirk on her face as she announced that Israel had finally bowed to world pressure and agreed to a daily 3 hour ceasefire to help the innocent civilians.

I'd like to wipe that self-satisfied look off her dhimmified face.

Maybe this concession will satisfy the MSM bloodlust, but for how long?
And what will EU, UN and/or MSM say about Hamas missile launches during these humanitarian cease-fires?

Apparently it isn't really a done deal yet. Which I hope is true. I just hope Israel finishes the job here.

318 itellu3times  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 5:59:31am

re: #305 razorbacker

The European Union has demanded the immediate restoration of gas supplies from Russia as the East-West energy crisis sharply pushed up fuel prices and as shortages began to bite across a freezing Europe.

Or they will do...what...exactly?

Eat more lentils.

319 Salamantis  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 5:59:48am

re: #315 Nevergiveup

French president reports Israel, Palestinian Authority accepted plan for ceasefire presented by Egypt's President Hosni Mubarak Tuesday. Earlier Wednesday Olmert's office says Israel views dialogue as positive step

[Link: www.ynetnews.com...]

But Hamas Representative in Lebanon says they will not accept truce.

And the beat goes on?

The Syrian and Lebanese Hamas are willing to fight to the last Gazan.

320 scottishbuzzsaw  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 5:59:57am

re: #314 Spare O'Lake

And what will EU, UN and/or MSM say about Hamas missile launches during these humanitarian cease-fires?

Nothing is my guess.

321 DaddyG  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 6:00:31am

re: #314 Spare O'Lake

The BBC bitch had a triumphant little smirk on her face as she announced that Israel had finally bowed to world pressure and agreed to a daily 3 hour ceasefire to help the innocent civilians.

I'd like to wipe that self-satisfied look off her dhimmified face.

Don't worry - the way Britain is going she will have to veil it soon enough for her new overlords.

322 Nevergiveup  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 6:00:45am

re: #319 Salamantis

The Syrian and Lebanese Hamas are willing to fight to the last Gazan.

As are most Arab leaders.

323 itellu3times  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 6:00:51am

re: #314 Spare O'Lake

And what will EU, UN and/or MSM say about Hamas missile launches during these humanitarian cease-fires?

They will smile and say the cease-fire is working and the little dears are acting normally.

324 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 6:01:45am

Morning Everyone!

What's up?

325 Nevergiveup  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 6:02:06am

re: #314 Spare O'Lake

The BBC bitch had a triumphant little smirk on her face as she announced that Israel had finally bowed to world pressure and agreed to a daily 3 hour ceasefire to help the innocent civilians.

I'd like to wipe that self-satisfied look off her dhimmified face.

Maybe this concession will satisfy the MSM bloodlust, but for how long?
And what will EU, UN and/or MSM say about Hamas missile launches during these humanitarian cease-fires?

Hamas indicates it won't fire rockets during lull

[Link: www.ynetnews.com...]

And we all know how well Hamas keeps promises?

326 albusteve  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 6:02:53am

re: #295 abolitionist

70,000 Iranian students 'volunteer to carry out suicide bombings in Israel'

Maybe they get extra credit in their "international peace studies" courses?

what a crock...some student said in a letter...no official sanction blah blah...yes 70k explosive laden student walk into Gaza looking for the IDF...how does this stuff even get printed?...it's less than propaganda it's lunacy...

327 scottishbuzzsaw  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 6:03:18am

re: #324 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

Morning Everyone!

What's up?

Good morning, {Vet}...

328 Nevergiveup  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 6:04:12am

re: #326 albusteve

what a crock...some student said in a letter...no official sanction blah blah...yes 70k explosive laden student walk into Gaza looking for the IDF...how does this stuff even get printed?...it's less than propaganda it's lunacy...

I guess they don't have to many maps in Iran. It's a long walk from Teheran to Tel Aviv?

329 Nevergiveup  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 6:05:14am

I know that President Bush is hosting Obama and all the past live American Presidents. Fine, dandy, sure but why oh why invite Carter?

330 Salamantis  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 6:06:24am

re: #329 Nevergiveup

I know that President Bush is hosting Obama and all the past live American Presidents. Fine, dandy, sure but why oh why invite Carter?

To keep him out of Damascus for a while?

331 albusteve  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 6:06:35am

re: #328 Nevergiveup

I guess they don't have to many maps in Iran. It's a long walk from Teheran to Tel Aviv?

well DUH!...Achmed where is the compass?...where are we?

332 Nevergiveup  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 6:07:40am

Hamas says no to permanent ceasefire

[Link: www.jpost.com...]

If they want to be martyrs, I say let's accommodate them?

333 Neo Con since 9-11  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 6:08:04am

re: #325 Nevergiveup

Hamas indicates it won't fire rockets during lull

[Link: www.ynetnews.com...]

And we all know how well Hamas keeps promises?


See my #307, Debka is reporting 4 rockets launched into Israel in the first hour of the "lull"

334 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 6:08:06am

re: #327 scottishbuzzsaw

Mornin' Scottish! {smooch}

Is there news from Realwest?

335 Salamantis  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 6:08:11am

re: #328 Nevergiveup

I guess they don't have to many maps in Iran. It's a long walk from Teheran to Tel Aviv?

That walk through Iraq would be a real killer...;~)

336 aussiemagpie  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 6:08:55am

re: #309 scottishbuzzsaw

Good morning...I'll always have a soft spot for your country for taking in my outlawed clan!

Yes, the prison colony called Australia!

We celebrate our past on the 26th January, Australia Day

337 MJ  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 6:08:57am

From Martin Kramer.
Don't let Juan Cole win---

Juan Cole is running two campaigns on his blog. One is against Israel—business as usual for Cole. The other is promoting his blog in the 2008 Weblog Awards competition (Middle East category), where there are ten finalists (I am one).

Yesterday, Cole called on his readers to turn out and vote for him. His pitch? "The 'Middle East' category is dominated by Neocons. Where are Marc Lynch (Abu Aardvark), Helena Cobban, Angry Arab, Raed in the Middle, etc., etc. I think the initial nomination voting must have been orchestrated." In other words: a neocon conspiracy! It's even subverted the 2008 Weblog Awards!

So Cole, having raised the specter of the neocons, riled up his supporters, and his vote count rose considerably, putting him in the lead. But at that point, he must have realized that it was unseemly for him to have dismissed the procedures of an award he might even win. (Hey, with all those neocon blogs splitting the neocon vote, he could emerge on top! They've screwed up, like in Iraq!) No problem. Just cut out the offending passage, as though it never existed.

I'm a collector of Cole's retro-editing of blog posts. He'll write something erroneous or outrageous, and then excise it from the record, without so much as a strikeout. In one instance, he made a crude insinuation against me, then deleted it. In another, he wrote that 9/11 was "in response to the Israeli attack on the Jenin refugee camp," which he deleted when it turned out that, uh, Israel's Jenin operation took place seven months after 9/11. He even once explained his "policy" on retro-editing—and then deleted that.

Anyway, below is Cole's original blog post of yesterday, which I retrieved from the Google cache not long before it disappeared from there as well. The prospect that Cole might win this award, in the midst of his wildly biased and hate-filled blogging on Gaza, is one I find repulsive. That the award should go to someone who retro-doctors his blog is likewise repulsive. So I urge readers to vote in the Middle East category, inspired by the principle of ABC—Anything But Cole. Vote for my blog (bit of a long shot), or Michael Totten's (a fine blog, which won last year), or Israellycool (which isn't far behind Cole), or any other sane blog. And you can vote once every 24 hours, through January 13. Match Cole's orchestration with your own. Click here to vote:

[Link: 2008.weblogawards.org...]

[Link: sandbox.blog-city.com...]

338 Nevergiveup  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 6:09:22am

re: #335 Salamantis

That walk through Iraq would be a real killer...;~)

At least until Jan 20th?

339 albusteve  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 6:09:36am

check out the graphic on PJs home page...hilarious...the Obots are getting whiny

[Link: pajamasmedia.com...]

340 3 wood  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 6:10:46am

Just a quick post and go.

Look for the market to take it on the chin today:

ADP shows 693,000 jobs lost in December

WASHINGTON (MarketWatch) -- U.S. private-sector firms shed 693,000 jobs in December, far worse than expected, according to the ADP employment index released Wednesday.
Employment in the services sector fell by 473,000, while employment in the goods-producing sectors fell by 220,000.
Large firms cut 91,000 jobs, medium-sized firms cut 321,000 jobs and small firms cut 281,000 jobs.
"Sharply falling employment at medium- and small-size businesses clearly indicates that the recession has now spread well beyond manufacturing and housing-related activities," said economists for Macroeconomics Advisers in a press release. Read the report.
The index is computed by Macroeconomic Advisers using anonymous payroll data collected by ADP. ADP provides payroll and human-resources services to about one in every six U.S. workers, at more than 500 companies.
The methodology for the ADP index has been revised with the aim of making it a better fit with the government figures to be released on Friday. Economists currently expect nonfarm payrolls to have fallen by 500,000 in December.

341 scottishbuzzsaw  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 6:10:55am

re: #334 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

Mornin' Scottish! {smooch}

Is there news from Realwest?

Nothing yet that I've seen... I'm hoping he's going to show up soon with good news from the doctor. *fingers crossed*

342 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 6:11:52am

Time for our morning Yellowstone scare story... gee, thanks FNC!

343 aussiemagpie  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 6:12:10am

re: #310 Erik The Red

Hey aussie and crux have you seen this?
'Penis fire' suspect is charged

Remind me to never piss off a Sheila.

Yes, saw this - jealous wife syndrome gone a bit too far

Now I would never do something like this, why set the house on fire when an axe will do the job?

Just kidding...

344 Nevergiveup  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 6:13:06am

Meygen Kelly ( wearing a very fetching red blouse today ) said that she ( as a lawyer ) was born to be loquacious. Since I'm a gentleman ( OK stop laughing ) I will not comment further.

345 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 6:13:16am

re: #341 scottishbuzzsaw

Nothing yet that I've seen... I'm hoping he's going to show up soon with good news from the doctor. *fingers crossed*

I hope you are right, the silence has made me pretty nervous. I pray he did not get bad news.

346 tfc3rid  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 6:13:20am

Good morning all...

So, I read through the morning digest of the Congressional Register as I usually do, to make sure there is nothing screwry out there...

Of course, the revised rules package passed the House along party lines, as expected. There were some interesting extended remarks from Rep. John Conyers who asked that the House reintroduce the Reparations Act for African Americans... Just sayin'...

347 Spare O'Lake  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 6:14:15am

You wanna get really angry?
Getta load of CUPE Ontario President Sid Ryan's letter to the editor in today's National Post.
And look who he cites as support for his anti-Semitic plan to ban Israeli professors from teaching at Canadian Universities unless they first publicly denounce Israel.

[Link: www.nationalpost.com...]

348 Nevergiveup  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 6:14:30am

re: #346 tfc3rid

Good morning all...

So, I read through the morning digest of the Congressional Register as I usually do, to make sure there is nothing screwry out there...

Of course, the revised rules package passed the House along party lines, as expected. There were some interesting extended remarks from Rep. John Conyers who asked that the House reintroduce the Reparations Act for African Americans... Just sayin'...

They got the Presidency, what else do they want? Just saying.

349 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 6:15:32am

re: #346 tfc3rid

Oh, it's coming. Change!

The "Economic Fairness" Act of 2009.

Whitey will be paying for slavery until being beheaded by our Islamic overlords...

350 albusteve  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 6:17:08am

re: #347 Spare O'Lake

You wanna get really angry?
Getta load of CUPE Ontario President Sid Ryan's letter to the editor in today's National Post.
And look who he cites as support for his anti-Semitic plan to ban Israeli professors from teaching at Canadian Universities unless they first publicly denounce Israel.

[Link: www.nationalpost.com...]

where else will the Thought Police emerge?...what a shameful display of ignorance...how ironic

351 rain of lead  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 6:17:34am

morning lizards
todays gorebull warming update
the sun is STILL asleep
that is all, carry on.

352 albusteve  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 6:17:58am

re: #348 Nevergiveup

They got the Presidency, what else do they want? Just saying.

your MIND!...mwahahahaha

353 Nevergiveup  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 6:18:03am

In Honor of all our Friends from Australia:

119 Rooms, 70,000 Square Feet and One Lucky Australian

[Link: www.washingtonpost.com...]

G-D Bless Australia!

354 scottishbuzzsaw  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 6:18:42am

re: #347 Spare O'Lake

From the link:

Are they all bigots?

Why, yes, as a matter of fact, they are!

355 Ford_Prefect  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 6:19:13am

Good Morning Lizards!

I am coming to you from home on this icy/rainy day in CT. It is a mess out there. I drove my wife to work since she works just 1.5 miles from home, but I am not driving the 20 miles to my office.

356 aussiemagpie  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 6:20:06am

re: #312 reine.de.tout

Beautiful song, beautifully done!

Hello reine, I'm so glad you enjoyed it!

357 Nevergiveup  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 6:20:10am

Boston College coach Jeff Jagodzinski did indeed interview with the New York Jets and he will therefore not be retained by the school, two people close to the situation told ESPN's Joe Schad on Tuesday.

[Link: sports.espn.go.com...]

Just another indication that any connection to the NY Jets is bad karma. And I should know being a Jet fan myself.

358 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 6:20:34am

re: #353 Nevergiveup

In Honor of all our Friends from Australia:

119 Rooms, 70,000 Square Feet and One Lucky Australian

[Link: www.washingtonpost.com...]

G-D Bless Australia!

Thank you, Aussies! Y'all are great!

359 Bloodnok  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 6:21:55am

Does anyone need any slush (Blago this does not apply to you)? We have about 3.2 million gallons of it in Boston this morning.

360 scottishbuzzsaw  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 6:22:10am

re: #355 Ford_Prefect

Good Morning Lizards!

I am coming to you from home on this icy/rainy day in CT. It is a mess out there. I drove my wife to work since she works just 1.5 miles from home, but I am not driving the 20 miles to my office.

Good morning, Ford...my mate and I had an unexpected morning together yesterday due to the impassable ice-covered roads...Enjoy!

361 aussiemagpie  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 6:22:12am

re: #313 Erik The Red

Oh come on another wacko from you part of the woods aussie. What do you guys smoke over there?///
Sex shop sicko

LOL! I'm finding this story a bit of a shocker too :-)

362 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 6:22:26am

re: #359 Bloodnok

Does anyone need any slush (Blago this does not apply to you)? We have about 3.2 million gallons of it in Boston this morning.

What's the shipping cost?

363 Salamantis  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 6:23:07am

re: #358 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

Thank you, Aussies! Y'all are great!

Aussies and Americans share a lot in common; Y'all are descendents of sentenced criminals, and we are descendents of slaves, indentured servants, and religious heretics.

364 Irish Rose  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 6:23:25am

Good morning, lizards :).
A cold and snowy single digit morning here along the Lake Michigan shoreline.

My USMC son and his Navy gal are still here at home having a nice long rest, it's been a good visit... the last time we're going to see him before he deploys.

His lovely lady treated us all to some fabulous (and I do mean fabulous) homemade authentic Mexican cuisine last night... everything made from scratch. She spent the whole day in the kitchen yesterday, mixing up goodies while we all chatted and laughed over glasses of sangria. She's of Mexican/Guatemalan descent, and loves to cook... she tells me the only drawback of serving in the Navy is that you can never get into a proper kitchen to do your own cooking.

Even though we did not speak of it this was, of course, the traditional meal presented by the prospective daughter-in-law to the prospective mother-in-law... according to custom. She passed the test with flying colors. This is a lovely girl - beautiful, intelligent and full of life. She is also my namesake. My son has chosen wisely.

Tonight, my son and I are taking her to the pub to show her how the Irish do things ;).

365 Irish Rose  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 6:23:48am

re: #332 Nevergiveup

Hamas says no to permanent ceasefire

[Link: www.jpost.com...]

If they want to be martyrs, I say let's accommodate them?

I like the way you think.

366 Ford_Prefect  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 6:24:17am

re: #360 scottishbuzzsaw

Good morning, Ford...my mate and I had an unexpected morning together yesterday due to the impassable ice-covered roads...Enjoy!

I intend to enjoy being able to hang out here at lgf for a change...

Ok, I intend to enjoy being able to hang out here at lgf without worrying about a boss coming in and catching me for a change.

367 Nevergiveup  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 6:24:59am

re: #359 Bloodnok

Does anyone need any slush (Blago this does not apply to you)? We have about 3.2 million gallons of it in Boston this morning.

We have a little here in NY/NJ, but then again we have Teixiera.

368 Maximu§  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 6:25:40am

re: #364 Irish Rose

Hey Rose, please tell him Hi from my family and he's in our prayers.

369 Bloodnok  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 6:25:58am

re: #362 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

What's the shipping cost?

You could get it the same way I did. By standing on the sidewalk and having a truck blast through a puddle.

370 Bloodnok  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 6:26:28am

re: #367 Nevergiveup

We have a little here in NY/NJ, but then again we have Teixiera.

Did his wife tell you to write that?

371 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 6:26:42am

re: #369 Bloodnok

You could get it the same way I did. By standing on the sidewalk and having a truck blast through a puddle.

That ain't gonna get it to Illinois. :-)

372 Ford_Prefect  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 6:27:12am

re: #367 Nevergiveup

We have a little here in NY/NJ, but then again we have Teixiera.

All this Red Sox fan is going to say is that if the games were played on paper I might be worried.

373 Nevergiveup  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 6:27:14am

re: #365 Irish Rose

I like the way you think.

And if i ever run into you future daughter-in-law sailor or Marine son I'll be sure to take good care of them. Navy Dentist.

374 Bloodnok  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 6:28:13am

re: #367 Nevergiveup

We have a little here in NY/NJ, but then again we have Teixiera.

I swear the whole "My wife told me to sign with the Yankees" thing is going to be pure GOLD at Fenway this year. I can't wait.

375 Nevergiveup  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 6:28:16am

re: #370 Bloodnok

Did his wife tell you to write that?

No but from the looks of her, anything she asked me to do, I'd probably do?

376 [deleted]  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 6:28:40am
377 Ford_Prefect  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 6:28:50am

Grr. I am updating my iTunes and it wants me to shut down for the update to complete.

brb.

378 Nevergiveup  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 6:29:39am

re: #374 Bloodnok

I swear the whole "My wife told me to sign with the Yankees" thing is going to be pure GOLD at Fenway this year. I can't wait.

Well don't go to hard on Teixeira, he is a Navy Brat. His dad was a Naval Aviator.

379 realwest  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 6:29:51am

Good morning y'all - from a moderate (59 degrees going up to 62 degrees) rainy and cloudy Charlotte!

Good ole Timwarner had all sorts of problems this morning - no internet services, no TV services - must be all this rain we've had for the last 72 hours or so!

How is everyone doing today?

380 [deleted]  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 6:29:53am
381 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 6:29:54am

FNC just teased a story about the improvements being made to the President's limo.

/Man, avoiding making a bunch of rude, racist car comments right now is going to be tough... but I'll try... ok, just one:

Will it have curb feelers?

382 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 6:30:29am

re: #379 realwest

Good morning y'all - from a moderate (59 degrees going up to 62 degrees) rainy and cloudy Charlotte!

Good ole Timwarner had all sorts of problems this morning - no internet services, no TV services - must be all this rain we've had for the last 72 hours or so!

How is everyone doing today?

Worrying about, you, buddy! {RW}

383 Nevergiveup  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 6:31:01am

re: #381 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

FNC just teased a story about the improvements being made to the President's limo.

/Man, avoiding making a bunch of rude, racist car comments right now is going to be tough... but I'll try... ok, just one:

Will it have curb feelers?

Oh boy here we go. I thought that was for Asian drivers or little old Jewish drivers in South Florida?

384 [deleted]  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 6:31:40am
385 scottishbuzzsaw  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 6:31:41am

re: #379 realwest

Good morning y'all - from a moderate (59 degrees going up to 62 degrees) rainy and cloudy Charlotte!

Good ole Timwarner had all sorts of problems this morning - no internet services, no TV services - must be all this rain we've had for the last 72 hours or so!

How is everyone doing today?

Good Morning, {real}! It's snowing lightly here, after an ice-storm yesterday. How are YOU?

386 Bloodnok  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 6:31:49am

re: #378 Nevergiveup

Well don't go to hard on Teixeira, he is a Navy Brat. His dad was a Naval Aviator.

Ah. He is from Maryland -Annapolis, I suppose.

/This isn't fair.

387 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 6:32:40am

re: #383 Nevergiveup

Oh boy here we go. I thought that was for Asian drivers or little old Jewish drivers in South Florida?

No... more like spinning hubcaps and those underbelly lights that make a car look like some sort of hovercraft.

/damn, you squeezed it out of me.

388 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 6:33:33am

re: #384 Iron Fist

You know Obama's going to want to "pimp" his ride. Especially with the taxpayers little people on the hook for actually paying for it.

I ain't going there... nosiree...

389 Nevergiveup  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 6:33:46am

Clashes resume in Gaza City after 3-hour humanitarian truce

[Link: www.haaretz.com...]

Who ever heard of a War with a half time? Did they have a marching band?

390 turn  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 6:34:17am

Morning all!

Worries about Realwest, talk of reparations, mouthwatering Mexican food, sex shop sickos and slush, snow and freezing cold. Only at LGF! Ha!

Weather here today 54 deg high and sunny. You can say all you want about how f#$%'d up California is but you sure as hell can't beat the weather.

391 turn  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 6:35:44am

re: #379 realwest


Hey RW, forget about us. How are YOU doing?

392 Neo Con since 9-11  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 6:36:18am

re: #379 realwest

Good to see ya, Congratulations on finally being the commenter with the most number of posts. Be careful tho Mandy is only 300 behind you

393 Wyatt Earp  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 6:36:43am

re: #389 Nevergiveup

Clashes resume in Gaza City after 3-hour humanitarian truce

[Link: www.haaretz.com...]

Who ever heard of a War with a half time? Did they have a marching band?

And IDF dancers. Whoo hoo!

394 Nevergiveup  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 6:37:20am

The jackass on the BBC is LECTURING the Israel Ambassador to Britain on the "suffering" of the people in Gaza. Hey Putz, you ever hear of Dresden?

395 razorbacker  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 6:37:47am

I was watching the GMAC Bowl last night (hey, my tax dollars pay for it, I'm going to watch it. Besides, it warms my flinty, black heart to see my neighbors from Tulsa stomp a mud-hole into David Letterman's pet team) and I absentmindedly flip the channel during a commercial.

There is a show called 'Life in Occupied Palestine' by some chick named Ann Blatzer on, and like driving past a bloody accident my eyes were caught in horrified wonder.

According to Ms Blatzer's account, the IDF is fighting a war against toddlers, nursing mothers, and aged grandparents (for those were the only Palestinians depicted). We are served up the factoid that IDF suicides are five times higher than normal folk due to the inhuman acts that the soldiers are required to perform. Israel is depicted as blowing up Palestinian homes for absolutely no reason at all merely to run a wall separating poor oppressed Palestinians from land they have peacefully farmed since Ottoman rule. And those were the good points.

Israel ignores this type of agit-prop to their detriment. But I sincerely doubt that FSTV would air any response, anyway.

BTW, FSTV is a 'free' channel on Dish network. You get it whether you want it or not.

396 turn  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 6:38:02am

re: #381 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

FNC just teased a story about the improvements being made to the President's limo.

/Man, avoiding making a bunch of rude, racist car comments right now is going to be tough... but I'll try... ok, just one:

Will it have curb feelers?

And a diamond in the back too?

[Link: www.urbandictionary.com...]

397 realwest  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 6:38:04am

re: #382 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret) Hey LT! Y'all don't have to worry about me yet - doc FINALLLY called me around 4:30 PM with not so good news, but not so bad that I'm worried by it
yet. I'm apparently still good to go for another 90 days or so!

398 Wyatt Earp  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 6:38:10am

re: #394 Nevergiveup

The jackass on the BBC is LECTURING the Israel Ambassador to Britain on the "suffering" of the people in Gaza. Hey Putz, you ever hear of Dresden?

Or, I don't know, Auschwitz?

399 gregg  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 6:38:12am

re: #285 aussiemagpie

Just getting ready for Australia Day, 26/1/2009


[Video]

I'm going embedding crazy :-)

What a great song! It really captures so much of the history and folklore of Australia.

400 scottishbuzzsaw  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 6:38:42am

re: #390 turn

Morning all!

Good morning, turn...

401 realwest  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 6:39:07am

re: #383 Nevergiveup
No, not curb feelers, but the coolest BOOM BOX SOUND SYTEM EVAH!
lol.

402 Nevergiveup  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 6:39:34am

re: #398 Wyatt Earp

Or, I don't know, Auschwitz?

Well Dresden was bombed by the Brits ( and rightfully so ) so maybe a tad more appropriate.

403 aussiemagpie  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 6:39:45am

re: #353 Nevergiveup

In Honor of all our Friends from Australia:

119 Rooms, 70,000 Square Feet and One Lucky Australian

[Link: www.washingtonpost.com...]

G-D Bless Australia!

Just love this! Good on President Bush for inviting John Howard to stay at Blair House!

Wouldn't President Elect Obama have somewhere to stay in Washington DC?

I thought he was a Senator? Or did he commute each day?

404 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 6:39:52am

re: #397 realwest

Hey LT! Y'all don't have to worry about me yet - doc FINALLLY called me around 4:30 PM with not so good news, but not so bad that I'm worried by it
yet. I'm apparently still good to go for another 90 days or so!

Not what we wanted to hear, but not what it could have been, either. Fight on, sir!

405 Broomer  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 6:40:15am

Did Hamas fire during the 3 hours lull?

406 Spenser (with an S)  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 6:40:21am

Hey Jay777, that minister in your link who said that reading the gospels caused him to vote for Obama? I actually attended his church for a while (pre-moonbatus religiousus phase). He was a gospel preacher before his ego caused him to seek worldly praise. Very sad.

407 [deleted]  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 6:41:01am
408 Wyatt Earp  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 6:41:03am

re: #402 Nevergiveup

Well Dresden was bombed by the Brits ( and rightfully so ) so maybe a tad more appropriate.

Yes, but the bulk of Israel's suffering (or that of the Jews) during WWII far exceeds the "suffering" of the people in Gaza. Yet they think they can corner the market on it. Unreal.

409 realwest  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 6:41:14am

re: #385 scottishbuzzsaw
Hi {scotti} - well I'm ok for another 90 days or so and then we'll see if I'm good to go for another 90 or if I need a biopsy and radiation therapy.
How are you doing?

410 notutopia  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 6:41:55am

The lion cannot protect himself from traps, and the fox cannot defend himself from wolves. One must therefore be a fox to recognize traps, and a lion to frighten wolves.
— Niccolo Machiavelli

Cunning, Courage, and Strength.
Sounds like the IDF.

The three hour safe window for Gaza has ended.
Let's see those Gazan humanitarian reloads...

411 Salamantis  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 6:42:20am

Militant Islam Threatens Us All
Hamas rockets have the same terror goal as Hitler's blitz
By Benjamin Netanyahu

[Link: online.wsj.com...]

412 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 6:42:25am

re: #403 aussiemagpie

I'm just relishing the thought that Obama was kept out of the Blair House because it was occupied by someone who is actually pro-American.

/life is good...

413 Wyatt Earp  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 6:42:27am

re: #410 notutopia

The lion cannot protect himself from traps, and the fox cannot defend himself from wolves. One must therefore be a fox to recognize traps, and a lion to frighten wolves.
— Niccolo Machiavelli

Cunning, Courage, and Strength.
Sounds like the IDF.

The three hour safe window for Gaza has ended.
Let's see those Gazan humanitarian reloads...

FIRE IN THE HOLE!

414 reine.de.tout  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 6:43:00am

re: #395 razorbacker

. . . According to Ms Blatzer's account, the IDF is fighting a war against toddlers, nursing mothers, and aged grandparents (for those were the only Palestinians depicted). We are served up the factoid that IDF suicides are five times higher than normal folk due to the inhuman acts that the soldiers are required to perform. Israel is depicted as blowing up Palestinian homes for absolutely no reason at all merely to run a wall separating poor oppressed Palestinians from land they have peacefully farmed since Ottoman rule. And those were the good points.
. . .

This blogger(The Angry Arab) has a similar take as to the "war" against toddlers, nursing mothers and aged grandparents . . .

This blogger is a professor of political science at California State University, Stanislaus and visiting professor at UC, Berkeley.

415 lincolntf  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 6:43:03am

re: #379 realwest

Morning all.
RW, I have been "stuck" with Time Warner cable/internet since I moved to NC. I can't emphasize enough how much I hate their service. I've had to switch boxes twice in one year, often lose access to some random channels (the screen freezes, pixelates, etc.) and can never get any answers/assistance by phone or online. Friggin' monopoly.

416 realwest  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 6:43:16am

re: #391 turn Uh, y'all might want to check out my #409 as for how I'm doing! Now how are you doing?

417 turn  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 6:43:30am

re: #400 scottishbuzzsaw

Morning SBZsaw (hard to find an apprievation for that nic!). Oh I see I left out your ice storms in my summary of the thread. You won't find those in California either.

418 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 6:44:19am

re: #416 realwest

Uh, y'all might want to check out my #409 as for how I'm doing! Now how are you doing?

I'm fine... grumbling that you have 20+ degrees on me, but that's nothing.

419 Wyatt Earp  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 6:44:22am

re: #417 turn

Morning SBZsaw (hard to find an apprievation for that nic!). Oh I see I left out your ice storms in my summary of the thread. You won't find those in California either.

From a rainy, cold Philadelphia, please accept my response of "Shut it!" :)

420 [deleted]  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 6:44:36am
421 reine.de.tout  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 6:45:05am

re: #417 turn

Morning SBZsaw (hard to find an apprievation for that nic!). Oh I see I left out your ice storms in my summary of the thread. You won't find those in California either.

psst . . try "scotti".

422 realwest  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 6:45:05am

re: #392 Neo Con since 9-11 Huh? I've had the most comments for - well ever since BabbaZee was banned. As for mandy catching up with me, so what? I haven't received any gold stars or anything for having the most comments, so why should I care?!

423 turn  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 6:45:34am

re: #397 realwest

Hey LT! Y'all don't have to worry about me yet - doc FINALLLY called me around 4:30 PM with not so good news, but not so bad that I'm worried by it
yet. I'm apparently still good to go for another 90 days or so!

I really admire your positive attitude RW.

424 turn  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 6:46:08am

re: #419 Wyatt Earp

HaHa.

425 aussiemagpie  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 6:46:15am

re: #379 realwest

Good morning y'all - from a moderate (59 degrees going up to 62 degrees) rainy and cloudy Charlotte!

Good ole Timwarner had all sorts of problems this morning - no internet services, no TV services - must be all this rain we've had for the last 72 hours or so!

How is everyone doing today?

*Smooch* from your Aussie friend :-)

Test results OK? (Hope so darls)

426 razorbacker  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 6:46:27am

re: #414 reine.de.tout

angryarab.blogspot.com...] target="_blank">
This blogger is a professor of political science at California State University, Stanislaus and visiting professor at UC, Berkeley.

To repeat myself...

Education doesn't make you smart, just educated. You have to develop smart all on your own.

427 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 6:46:42am

Great here is the Yellowstone scare story.

/I'll be under my bed.

428 Wyatt Earp  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 6:46:46am

re: #421 reine.de.tout

psst . . try "scotti".

"Aye, aye, Captain! But we need more power!"

429 turn  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 6:47:04am

re: #421 reine.de.tout

Hey that works, thanks Captain Kirk. :.)

430 reine.de.tout  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 6:47:05am

re: #428 Wyatt Earp

"Aye, aye, Captain! But we need more power!"

LOL!

431 Wyatt Earp  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 6:47:09am

re: #426 razorbacker

To repeat myself...

Education doesn't make you smart, just educated. You have to develop smart all on your own.

Paging Barack Obama . . .

432 faraway  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 6:47:18am

re: #426 razorbacker

To repeat myself...

Education doesn't make you smart, just educated. You have to develop smart all on your own.

Education makes you indoctrinated

433 Nevergiveup  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 6:47:51am

re: #427 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

Great here is the Yellowstone scare story.

/I'll be under my bed.

The truth is when/if Yellowstone erupts I want to be there. The best ticket in town.

434 aussiemagpie  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 6:48:13am

re: #380 ploome hineni

that is so pathetic

Scared of the living, breathing dolls it appears

435 scottishbuzzsaw  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 6:48:22am

re: #409 realwest

Hi {scotti} - well I'm ok for another 90 days or so and then we'll see if I'm good to go for another 90 or if I need a biopsy and radiation therapy.
How are you doing?

{realwest}...hang in there, dear friend. I'm doing just fine...trying to get back in the swing of things after a few days off, and planning on celebrating Australia Day with aussiemagpie! Should be a great party! ;>)

436 FrogMarch  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 6:48:24am

re: #2 Sharmuta

Modern liberal motto: Evil is the victim of Good.

Remember that in the days and weeks ahead, for the modern liberals will do everything in their power to make sure Evil has allies while Good is punished.

indeed:

up is down
good is bad
Clinton corruption is fine
corrupt unions are preferred
capitalism is bad
freedom is bad
government is good
etc...

437 turn  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 6:48:30am

re: #422 realwest

Huh? I've had the most comments for - well ever since BabbaZee was banned. As for mandy catching up with me, so what? I haven't received any gold stars or anything for having the most comments, so why should I care?!


Here ya go, you deserve them

[Link: images.google.com...]

438 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 6:48:50am

re: #433 Nevergiveup

The truth is when/if Yellowstone erupts I want to be there. The best ticket in town.

Lawnchair and popcorn time.

439 notutopia  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 6:49:23am

re: #431 Wyatt Earp

Paging Barack Obama . . .

Obama's New Armored "The Beast" Pres Limo
[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

440 turn  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 6:49:46am

re: #428 Wyatt Earp

Another treckiie I see.

441 Salamantis  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 6:49:50am

re: #432 faraway

Education makes you indoctrinated

Education can give you cognitive tools, but only genetics and experience can impart the capacity to skilfully use them. Wisdom, unlike knowledge, can be learned, but it cannot be taught.

442 aussiemagpie  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 6:49:54am

re: #381 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

FNC just teased a story about the improvements being made to the President's limo.

/Man, avoiding making a bunch of rude, racist car comments right now is going to be tough... but I'll try... ok, just one:

Will it have curb feelers?

Will the tires be black or white?

443 Nevergiveup  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 6:50:22am

re: #438 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

Lawnchair and popcorn time.

And it will save my family the trouble and expense of having me cremated?

444 Nevergiveup  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 6:50:54am

re: #439 notutopia

Obama's New Armored "The Beast" Pres Limo
[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

And the MPG?

445 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 6:51:17am

Good morning, Zionist honcos & Little Green Hitlers!

446 Hard Right  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 6:51:57am

re: #420 taxfreekiller

So, three hour cease fire, the Ham-asses use it to re-supply.
So, three hour cease fire, the IDF use it to re-supply.

Win for IDF.

That and its not good to shoot un-armed terrorist.
Keep them armed, keep them under fire.


TFK, I disagree about shooting unarmed terrorists. Seems like the best time to me. ;)

447 realwest  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 6:52:04am

re: #415 lincolntf
Huh, whereabouts are you in NC? I called 'em this morning, and after going through more security checks than I'd need to enter Ft. Knox, was told that service was out in my area! I said I KNOW THAT, that's why I'm calling and they calmly responded that they were working on the problem!
And now serice is back up!
And btw, there is satellite TV down here a little south of Charlotte - do you have any by you?

448 notutopia  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 6:52:10am

re: #444 Nevergiveup

And the MPG?

2 mpg. d/t the weight of this "beast".

449 Broomer  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 6:52:12am

StandWithUs.org desperately need a new webmaster! The website is such a mess!

450 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 6:52:20am

re: #445 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Morning BDVM, you ole primate, you!

451 lawhawk  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 6:52:22am

Greets and saluts from the NYC metro area. Operation Cast Lead is in Day 12, and I'm quite concerned about the notion that Israel has entered into a 3 hour ceasefire (during which there continues to be fire from Hamas at Israelis). Has Israel lost its nerve over yesterday's attack? What exactly does Israel get from the ceasefire? If anything, it gives the diplomats an opening to dictate what happens going forward, and that's going to benefit no one but Hamas.

It certainly doesn't benefit Israel.

Hizbullah is busy squawking that they could attack Israel - of course they're able to say that because they've used their hudna with Israel to regroup and rearm right under the noses of UNIFIL.

Speaking of UN related entities, UNRWA has once again been exposed as being nothing but an entity facilitating terrorism. They make ludicrous claims about how Israel hit the schools without provocation, despite the fact that Palestinian witnesses say that Hamas was undeniably firing mortars from in and around the school and Israel returned fire - several shells hitting the school.

Oh, and I'm up for best small blog in the 2008 weblog awards, but it looks like it's a runaway for a website called rumproast, which seems to be a lefty haven. Nice Deb seems to be the closest challenger and she's a good one...

452 razorbacker  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 6:52:24am

Aw'ite. Y'all gonna have to soldier on without me for a while.

Look both ways before crossing the street, and don't take any wooden debit cards.

Later.

453 scottishbuzzsaw  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 6:52:26am

re: #429 turn

Hey that works, thanks Captain Kirk. :.)

Speaking of Captain Kirk, saw a bit of Shatner's Raw Nerve program last night...he is an absolutely AWFUL host!

454 Nevergiveup  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 6:52:33am

Last update - 16:14 07/01/2009

Israel defers vote on expanding Gaza ground op amid growing truce bids

[Link: www.haaretz.com...]

Wrong Wrong Wrong. Keep the pressure ON!

455 Wyatt Earp  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 6:52:40am

re: #444 Nevergiveup

And the MPG?

Don't worry, Al Gore is all lined up with carbon credits for purchase.

456 aussiemagpie  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 6:52:46am

re: #399 gregg

What a great song! It really captures so much of the history and folklore of Australia.

Thanks and I'm happy I posted this lovely song here :-)

457 Hard Right  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 6:52:54am

re: #433 Nevergiveup

The truth is when/if Yellowstone erupts I want to be there. The best ticket in town.

From what I've seen about it, you can be really far away and almost have a front row seat.

458 Neo Con since 9-11  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 6:52:57am

re: #422 realwest

*shrugs* no real reason you should care. I got bored and was clicking avatars and noticed you and Mandy both surpassed the departed Babba. It's not a Nobel Prize but thought I'd congratulate you on being the new most prolific Lizard minion none the less.

459 Wyatt Earp  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 6:53:29am

re: #453 scottishbuzzsaw

Speaking of Captain Kirk, saw a bit of Shatner's Raw Nerve program last night...he is an absolutely AWFUL host!

Although he killed at the end of his Comedy Central Roast. Funny, funny stuff!

460 scottishbuzzsaw  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 6:53:30am

re: #445 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Good morning, Zionist honcos & Little Green Hitlers!

Don't forget the pink Lizardettes...

461 Hard Right  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 6:53:44am

re: #448 notutopia

2 mpg. d/t the weight of this "beast".

But it runs on feelings of hope and unicorn farts!

462 lawhawk  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 6:54:11am

re: #381 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

FNC just teased a story about the improvements being made to the President's limo.

/Man, avoiding making a bunch of rude, racist car comments right now is going to be tough... but I'll try... ok, just one:

Will it have curb feelers?

Nope... it will spray pixie dust and fly... oh and it will have unicorns spraypainted on it. /

Seriously though, they update and upgrade the limos on a regular basis to ensure that they are providing sufficient protection to the President, whoever it is.

463 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 6:54:28am

I'm out... Real, got your e-mail, I'll try sending again.

464 scottishbuzzsaw  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 6:55:13am

re: #463 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

I'm out... Real, got your e-mail, I'll try sending again.

Take care, {Vet}...

465 realwest  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 6:55:39am

re: #404 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret) I will fight on OF COURSE, but please stop calling me Sir!
Oh and check your e-mail!

466 CynicalConservative  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 6:55:39am

re: #444 Nevergiveup

And the MPG?

Probably more GPM.

467 turn  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 6:55:50am

re: #414 reine.de.tout

This blogger(The Angry Arab) has a similar take as to the "war" against toddlers, nursing mothers and aged grandparents . . .

This blogger is a professor of political science at California State University, Stanislaus and visiting professor at UC, Berkeley.

Oh man "The Huffington Post has been rather good during these times, I must say." That said it all right there for me. I guess you can get your world view where you want to.

468 [deleted]  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 6:57:18am
469 Spare O'Lake  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 6:57:20am

re: #409 realwest

Hi {scotti} - well I'm ok for another 90 days or so and then we'll see if I'm good to go for another 90 or if I need a biopsy and radiation therapy.
How are you doing?

Good morning, realwest.
The news sounds moderately encouraging.
Fight on!

470 tfc3rid  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 6:57:20am

re: #389 Nevergiveup

Clashes resume in Gaza City after 3-hour humanitarian truce

[Link: www.haaretz.com...]

Who ever heard of a War with a half time? Did they have a marching band?

Only the UN can turn a war into a freakin joke.

471 aussiemagpie  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 6:57:37am

re: #412 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

I'm just relishing the thought that Obama was kept out of the Blair House because it was occupied by someone who is actually pro-American.

/life is good...

Yes, it's rather delightful, and it's making me happy too!

472 Wyatt Earp  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 6:57:55am

re: #470 tfc3rid

Only the UN can turn a war into a freakin joke.

And, as always, we're laughing at them, and not with them.

473 Miss Trixie  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 6:57:56am

&#9834 &#9836 Good morning {lizards!} &#9836 &#9834

We're in the middle of another sneaux-storm and I can't see anything out of my office window - just white.

{realwest}

Just a sec, hon.

*takes a kleenex to his whiskered cheek to gently remove aussie's lipstick*

Mine's much nicer *smoochie-smooch*

:D :D

Morning, aussie! :D

474 realwest  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 6:58:39am

re: #407 ploome hineni
Hi ploome "Doctor Désiré Amsellem, 70 years old, was seriously wounded by a shooting of firearm in the back of his chest, and was left to bleed to death in his office until he was discovered 24 hours later in unconscious condition. "
[emphasis added realwest]
Funny I seem to recall the back of someone's chest being the back. Period. SO some cowardly s.o.b couldn't even face a 70 year old man and SHOT HIM IN THE BACK.
Fucking barbarians.

475 Hard Right  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 6:59:04am

re: #470 tfc3rid

Only the UN can turn a war into a freakin joke.

If Celine Dion performed then they'd have a claim to human rights abuse.

476 [deleted]  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 6:59:25am
477 Ford_Prefect  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 6:59:45am

OK, I'm back. Resume discussion...wait...man, I can't leave you people alone for a minute.

re: #397 realwest

real, I am glad you are here and will be around for a while. lgf wouldn't be the same without you.

478 Wyatt Earp  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 7:00:11am

re: #474 realwest

Hi ploome "Doctor Désiré Amsellem, 70 years old, was seriously wounded by a shooting of firearm in the back of his chest, and was left to bleed to death in his office until he was discovered 24 hours later in unconscious condition. "
[emphasis added realwest]
Funny I seem to recall the back of someone's chest being the back. Period. SO some cowardly s.o.b couldn't even face a 70 year old man and SHOT HIM IN THE BACK.
Fucking barbarians.

To quote the esteemed philosopher Bugs Bunny, "Only a big, fat rat would shoot a guy in da back!"

Animals.

479 reine.de.tout  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 7:00:14am

re: #473 Miss Trixie

♪ ♬ Good morning {lizards!} ♬ ♪

We're in the middle of another sneaux-storm and I can't see anything out of my office window - just white.

{realwest}

Just a sec, hon.

*takes a kleenex to his whiskered cheek to gently remove aussie's lipstick*

Mine's much nicer *smoochie-smooch*

:D :D

Morning, aussie! :D

Mornin', Miss Trixie!
(snicker - "sneaux")

480 Hard Right  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 7:00:56am

re: #478 Wyatt Earp

To quote the esteemed philosopher Bugs Bunny, "Only a big, fat rat would shoot a guy in da back!"

Animals.

Bugs is still is my hero.

481 scottishbuzzsaw  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 7:01:24am

re: #473 Miss Trixie

♪ ♬ Good morning {lizards!} ♬ ♪

Good morning, Miss Trixie...you are a hoot, my dear!

482 rexatosis  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 7:01:37am

re: # 3 Syrah #84 MarineMomSue

Machiavelli's "Discourses on Livy" was required when I was in Grad School (History) and I cover Machiavelli in my Western Civ. class. Unfortunately my students have no interest in reading anything that isn't a damn text message but atleast they have heard of Machiavelli (and Thucydides, Homer, Virgil, Adam Smith, etc.) after taking my classes.

Kissinger's "Diplomacy" should be required reading for anyone interested or actively involved in Foreign Policy. Just throwing that out there.

483 Wyatt Earp  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 7:01:44am

re: #480 Hard Right

Bugs is still is my hero.

I keep waiting form him to repeat his performance in "Rebel Rabbit" and saw off Florida at the border and send it out to see.

(No offense intended to Florida Lizards.)

484 Wyatt Earp  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 7:01:59am

re: #483 Wyatt Earp

I keep waiting form him to repeat his performance in "Rebel Rabbit" and saw off Florida at the border and send it out to see.

(No offense intended to Florida Lizards.)

"sea"

PIMF!

485 Bloodnok  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 7:02:25am

re: #479 reine.de.tout

Mornin', Miss Trixie!
(snicker - "sneaux")

Everything Miss Trixie says makes me snicker.

486 Hard Right  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 7:03:01am

re: #483 Wyatt Earp

I keep waiting form him to repeat his performance in "Rebel Rabbit" and saw off Florida at the border and send it out to see.

(No offense intended to Florida Lizards.)

Wow. Memory flashback. I'd rather he did that with California. I have relatives in FA. :)

487 Dustyvet  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 7:03:05am

Israel's actions in Gaza is an act of self-defence


488 Nevergiveup  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 7:03:13am

Hamas takes responsibility for rockets fired into Beersheba

[Link: www.ynetnews.com...]

Gee and I thought it might have been the Red Cross?

489 realwest  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 7:03:38am

re: #408 Wyatt Earp
Howdy Wyatt! NOT to mention that the Brits are the ones responsible (the Balfour Declaration) for the boundaries now existing in the ME; Israel should NEVER have given back the territories they won fair and square in a war which was started by the Arabs.
To hell with the Brits - and the effin' UN.

490 Wyatt Earp  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 7:03:39am

re: #486 Hard Right

Wow. Memory flashback. I'd rather he did that with California. I have relatives in FA. :)

Can't he do both? :)

491 notutopia  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 7:05:02am

re: #474 realwest

Hi ploome "Doctor Désiré Amsellem, 70 years old, was seriously wounded by a shooting of firearm in the back of his chest, and was left to bleed to death in his office until he was discovered 24 hours later in unconscious condition. "
[emphasis added realwest]
Funny I seem to recall the back of someone's chest being the back. Period. SO some cowardly s.o.b couldn't even face a 70 year old man and SHOT HIM IN THE BACK.
Fucking barbarians.


O/T On this Ruling of Homicide.
Man Dies 35 Years After Being Shot, Death Ruled Homicide
[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

492 albusteve  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 7:05:07am

re: #457 Hard Right

From what I've seen about it, you can be really far away and almost have a front row seat.

I'm sort of intrigued...it is definately going to blow...it is emerging and has been since recorded time and nobody knows when...it could be today...literally

493 Wyatt Earp  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 7:05:09am

re: #489 realwest

Howdy Wyatt! NOT to mention that the Brits are the ones responsible (the Balfour Declaration) for the boundaries now existing in the ME; Israel should NEVER have given back the territories they won fair and square in a war which was started by the Arabs.
To hell with the Brits - and the effin' UN.

If things keep going as they are now, pretty soon "The Brits" will be "The Islamists." They have an influx of Muslim extremists over there that are crying out for Sharia Law.

494 scottishbuzzsaw  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 7:05:54am

re: #486 Hard Right

Mornin' HR...your avatar is a real attention-grabber! ;>)

495 aussiemagpie  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 7:06:15am

re: #473 Miss Trixie

♪ ♬ Good morning {lizards!} ♬ ♪

We're in the middle of another sneaux-storm and I can't see anything out of my office window - just white.

{realwest}

Just a sec, hon.

*takes a kleenex to his whiskered cheek to gently remove aussie's lipstick*

Mine's much nicer *smoochie-smooch*

:D :D

Morning, aussie! :D

Hello {Miss Trixie} Our realwest will be covered in lippy marks soon :-)


Remember we're sharing him, left cheek is mine, right cheek is yours...

496 notutopia  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 7:06:42am

re: #490 Wyatt Earp

Can't he do both? :)

See #491
Have you ever had a homicide ruling d/t a 35 year old
bullet in the back...

497 Hard Right  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 7:06:59am

re: #490 Wyatt Earp

Can't he do both? :)

I meant FL. I hate mornings. Well, if FL would move closer to AZ I'd be all for it. :)

498 [deleted]  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 7:07:01am
499 realwest  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 7:07:18am

re: #423 turn
Thank you very much - but I honestly don't know if it's a positive attitude or an act - guess I'll find out soon enough. My cancer has been getting worse for each of the last 12 straight months, just not bad enough for me to have to do anything really tough - like radiation thereapy!
And yeah, if I let myself think about it, I am scared.

500 turn  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 7:07:33am

re: #441 Salamantis

Education can give you cognitive tools, but only genetics and experience can impart the capacity to skilfully use them. Wisdom, unlike knowledge, can be learned, but it cannot be taught.

So true, and I believe making mistakes is a necessary part of gaining wisdom. I was watching Morning Joe earlier and they had Barney Frank on talking about the economic crisis. He was starting to talk about bank lending practices and how they were stricter in the past. I had to leave at that point and turned off the TV. I was thinking to myself I don't need to hear the rest of his BS because he would just obfuscate the issue and basically refuse to admit he made a mistake in supporting legislation that loosened up lending qualifications. This mistake is what led to the housing collapse and the crisis. Then I thought politicians have a job where their job security depends refusing to admit your mistakes. How f#$%#@'d up is that?

501 Dustyvet  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 7:08:19am

Good morning gang, Hi West and Wyatt...:)

502 Salamantis  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 7:08:32am

re: #491 notutopia

O/T On this Ruling of Homicide.
Man Dies 35 Years After Being Shot, Death Ruled Homicide
[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

My Uncle Fred died asleep in his bed beside his wife when shrapnel he took in WW II finally worked its way to his heart more than 20 years later. I imagine that he was one of the last casualties of that war.

503 Ford_Prefect  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 7:08:59am

Does the fact that Obama is talking about a trillion dollar deficit and at the same time talking about giving away more money to people who don't pay taxes in the first place strike anyone else as mildly ironic.

505 aussiemagpie  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 7:09:13am

re: #476 Iron Fist

The way I understand it, Obama hasn't actually been in the Senate for the last couple of years. He was too busy running for President. "But he was only elected two years ago!" you say.

That is true. Now you begin to understand how truly lacking in any experience Obama really is. A lot of us expected Hillary to throw her hat into the ring a couple of years into her Senate gig, but, to her credit, she actually worked as a Senator from New York for one full term.

Obama didn't. He's too good for such things.

Thanks! I wasn't aware of this - so he's REALLY only been a "community organiser"?

506 [deleted]  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 7:10:14am
507 [deleted]  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 7:10:16am
508 notutopia  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 7:10:31am

re: #502 Salamantis

My Uncle Fred died asleep in his bed beside his wife when shrapnel he took in WW II finally worked its way to his heart more than 20 years later. I imagine that he was one of the last casualties of that war.

I hear ya.
But, this was a civilian bullet and after 35 years, they rule it a homicide?

509 realwest  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 7:10:38am

re: #425 aussiemagpie
Hey {aussie} *smoch* back atcha! And my test results showed that my cancer has gotten worse, but not so bad that I have to anything other than the treatment I've been getting. If it gets much worse, however, I'm gonna need all sorts of radiatian scans, biopsy and possibly radiation therapy - five days a week for 8 straight weeks.
But for now and for 90 more days, I'm still good to go!

510 Wyatt Earp  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 7:10:46am

re: #496 notutopia

See #491
Have you ever had a homicide ruling d/t a 35 year old
bullet in the back...



Philadelphia Police Officer Walter Barclay
.

He died of his injuries 41 years after he was shot in the line of duty.

511 Hard Right  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 7:11:56am

re: #494 scottishbuzzsaw

Mornin' HR...your avatar is a real attention-grabber! ;>)

It will wake you up in the morning. The pic turned out bigger than expected.

512 Spenser (with an S)  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 7:12:22am

Morning, all. Aussie, did you ever start that Bill Bryson Oz book? He's another example of how conservatives are able to put aside some liberal remarks if the rest of the product gives us enjoyment. Liberals can't do that.

513 realwest  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 7:12:30am

re: #435 scottishbuzzsaw
Huh? when is Australia Day and are you In Australia?!

514 aussiemagpie  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 7:12:50am

re: #509 realwest

Hey {aussie} *smoch* back atcha! And my test results showed that my cancer has gotten worse, but not so bad that I have to anything other than the treatment I've been getting. If it gets much worse, however, I'm gonna need all sorts of radiatian scans, biopsy and possibly radiation therapy - five days a week for 8 straight weeks.
But for now and for 90 more days, I'm still good to go!

Thanks for this info {darls}, I'll email you in a bit

515 CIA Reject  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 7:12:51am

re: #503 Ford_Prefect

Does the fact that Obama is talking about a trillion dollar deficit and at the same time talking about giving away more money to people who don't pay taxes in the first place strike anyone else as mildly ironic.

It would if my "irony meter" hadn't exploded about two months ago...

Now it just seems like so much garden-variety idiocy.

Welcome to the 'New Normal' I guess...

/'Mornin Ford!

516 turn  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 7:12:56am

re: #445 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Good morning, Zionist honcos & Little Green Hitlers!

Morning BDVM, and that is quite a greeting!

517 Hard Right  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 7:13:08am

re: #492 albusteve

I'm sort of intrigued...it is definately going to blow...it is emerging and has been since recorded time and nobody knows when...it could be today...literally

I saw where the breathing in of ash would cause uncontrolled bone growth. It's a slow and painful way to die. They learned this from animal bones and fossils where eruptions had taken place.

518 realwest  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 7:13:22am

re: #430 reine.de.tout
Good morning reine! I'm doing ok today, how's about yourself?

519 lincolntf  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 7:13:25am

re: #447 realwest

Winston-Salem.
We do have satellite available (the old owner even left the dish on the roof) but I'll have to get over a long standing prejudice against satellites if I go that route (when I lived in New England, everyone I knew who had satellite, including my local watering hole,hated it because the wind/snow/whatever was constantly knocking the dish out of alignment or otherwise screwing it up). Once one has missed three innings of the World Series or a full half of NFL playoff football while people fiddle with wrenches and screwdrivers in order to regain reception, one gets bitter.

520 Ford_Prefect  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 7:13:42am

re: #476 Iron Fist

The way I understand it, Obama hasn't actually been in the Senate for the last couple of years. He was too busy running for President. "But he was only elected two years ago!" you say.

That is true. Now you begin to understand how truly lacking in any experience Obama really is. A lot of us expected Hillary to throw her hat into the ring a couple of years into her Senate gig, but, to her credit, she actually worked as a Senator from New York for one full term.

Obama didn't. He's too good for such things.

Unless I am mistaken it was actually four years ago that he was elected to the Senate. They have been talking about Burriss completing Obama's final two years in office. He started his Presidential campaign less than two years after getting to Washington, however, so the experience thing still stands.

521 Dustyvet  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 7:14:39am

re: #510 Wyatt Earp


Philadelphia Police Officer Walter Barclay
.

He died of his injuries 41 years after he was shot in the line of duty.

Patrolman Ward Lee Canfield
Minneapolis Police Department
Minnesota
End of Watch: Thursday, March 2, 2000

Biographical Info
Age: 78
Tour of Duty: 12 years
Badge Number: Not available

Incident Details
Cause of Death: Gunfire
Date of Incident: Saturday, August 17, 1957
Weapon Used: Handgun
Suspect Info: Two shot and killed

Officer Ward Canfield died of pneumonia which he contracted due to gunshot wounds he received on August 17, 1957.

522 [deleted]  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 7:14:49am
523 Hard Right  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 7:15:24am

re: #507 taxfreekiller

Kissinger's diplomacy enabled commie terrorist VC to back shoot any one nearby, it allowed the NVA to re-arm the VC and kill U.S. fighting men, and he knew it, Kissinger refused at the end to accept the photos and reports we were sending on the numbers, locations and unit info on the NVA units inside South Vietnam.

Dam him to hell forever, no good lying sack of shit.

I never thought of kissinger as a "great diplomat" either. The fact the media loves him should be a tip off.

524 notutopia  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 7:16:00am

re: #510 Wyatt Earp


Philadelphia Police Officer Walter Barclay
.

He died of his injuries 41 years after he was shot in the line of duty.

Thanks Wyatt. I bookmarked it.

525 scottishbuzzsaw  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 7:16:14am

re: #513 realwest

Huh? when is Australia Day and are you In Australia?!

The 26th of this month, I think...I'm not there, though I'd like to be, but thought I'd join vicariously to express my gratitude to the country that took in some outlawed kin...

526 Hard Right  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 7:16:21am

re: #522 taxfreekiller

Ms Matt Lower of NBC's Today Show, got in a girl fight with Ms Ann Coulter early today, he made a mess of his lipstick.

Let me guess, Ann won?

527 Rancher  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 7:16:23am

re: #509 realwest

But for now and for 90 more days, I'm still good to go!

Keep us updated, we're praying for you.

528 Nevergiveup  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 7:16:48am

re: #523 Hard Right

I never thought of kissinger as a "great diplomat" either. The fact the media loves him should be a tip off.

He should have let Israel finish of the Egyptian 3rd Army!

529 turn  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 7:16:56am

re: #451 lawhawk

Hey LH, I always bet on the underdog. Not only did I vote for ya, a gave ya and upding on the post! Keep up the good work.

530 realwest  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 7:17:02am

re: #437 turn
ROTFL!
But I still don't get Neo-Cons' comment - I didn't realize there was a race going on! If I had, I'd type shorter comments.
But geez, have you seen Mandy's phenominal Karma rating?! I think she's only behind Sharmuta in that area!

531 DeafDog  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 7:17:16am

re: #2 Sharmuta

Modern liberal motto: Evil is the victim of Good.

I like that and would expand it to say it in purely economic terms: "non-productive is the victim of productive"

I am bracing for an expansion of the welfare state bigger than LBJ in the 60's, subsidizing all non-productive behavior and taxing all productive behavior.

Obama is the victimhood president. He's already convinced 52% of the population that they are victims, too. He will seek to consolidate his political base by expanding the definition of economic victims to everyone who has made bad choices in life.

532 [deleted]  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 7:17:39am
533 Wyatt Earp  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 7:17:58am

re: #524 notutopia

Thanks Wyatt. I bookmarked it.

You're welcome. I know the story because he worked in the division where I am currently assigned.

534 turn  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 7:18:13am

re: #453 scottishbuzzsaw

Speaking of Captain Kirk, saw a bit of Shatner's Raw Nerve program last night...he is an absolutely AWFUL host!

Didn't see it but he really sucks on the Priceline.com commercials too.

535 Dustyvet  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 7:18:17am

re: #524 notutopia

Thanks Wyatt. I bookmarked it.

[Link: www.odmp.org...]

536 Hard Right  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 7:18:21am

re: #528 Nevergiveup

He should have let Israel finish of the Egyptian 3rd Army!

Yes, but that would have been the logical, intelligent, thing to do. That is why he was against it.

537 Wyatt Earp  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 7:18:22am

re: #521 Dustyvet

Patrolman Ward Lee Canfield
Minneapolis Police Department
Minnesota
End of Watch: Thursday, March 2, 2000

Biographical Info
Age: 78
Tour of Duty: 12 years
Badge Number: Not available

Incident Details
Cause of Death: Gunfire
Date of Incident: Saturday, August 17, 1957
Weapon Used: Handgun
Suspect Info: Two shot and killed

Officer Ward Canfield died of pneumonia which he contracted due to gunshot wounds he received on August 17, 1957.

Damned shame.

538 [deleted]  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 7:18:32am
539 albusteve  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 7:18:51am

re: #503 Ford_Prefect

Does the fact that Obama is talking about a trillion dollar deficit and at the same time talking about giving away more money to people who don't pay taxes in the first place strike anyone else as mildly ironic.

it is folly...it will produce nothing...it will reduce savings and spending power...it is exactly the wrong thing to do...it's pandering in the extreme

540 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 7:19:15am

re: #528 Nevergiveup

He should have let Israel finish of the Egyptian 3rd Army!

Their first two didn't do them any good!

541 aussiemagpie  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 7:19:35am

re: #512 Spenser (with an S)

Morning, all. Aussie, did you ever start that Bill Bryson Oz book? He's another example of how conservatives are able to put aside some liberal remarks if the rest of the product gives us enjoyment. Liberals can't do that.

Hi,Spenser! I haven't started reading it yet - I'm still in recovery mode after having various visitors stay here for the last three weeks , and of course I just had to start reading Audacity of Hope written by YouKnowWho - given to me by my moonbat/communist brother in law - now I can really get into some debates with him :-)

542 Hard Right  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 7:19:53am

re: #537 Wyatt Earp

Damned shame.

Definitely a shame. I think the murder charge is warranted.

543 albusteve  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 7:19:53am

re: #517 Hard Right

I saw where the breathing in of ash would cause uncontrolled bone growth. It's a slow and painful way to die. They learned this from animal bones and fossils where eruptions had taken place.

save the last bullet amigo...youre gonna want it

544 DeafDog  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 7:19:55am

re: #503 Ford_Prefect

Not ironic, but miserably bad economic policy justified by politics...See #531 for my take.

545 Wyatt Earp  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 7:19:56am

re: #526 Hard Right

Let me guess, Ann won?

She won against Harry Smith the other day, too. He kept saying that she needed a "cross" for her victimhood, when she continually referred to other victimizations (Bush, Palin, etc.)

546 notutopia  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 7:20:12am

re: #535 Dustyvet

[Link: www.odmp.org...]

Thanks Dustyvet. Saved that one too.

547 realwest  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 7:20:23am

re: #439 notutopia
Hi notutopia! Geez, that thing sounds like it's got more armor than an Abrams main battle tank!
Wonder when he ordered it - before or after he said he'd bail out the Big 2?
I'd just be careful as it is probably assembled by members of the UAW!

548 turn  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 7:20:35am

re: #453 scottishbuzzsaw

Speaking of Captain Kirk, saw a bit of Shatner's Raw Nerve program last night...he is an absolutely AWFUL host!

Thinking back, the thing that cracked me up about his old startreck episodes was that he basically got laid by some exotic alien in about every one. Ha!

549 DeafDog  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 7:21:08am

re: #509 realwest


Hang tough, brother!

550 Ford_Prefect  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 7:21:22am

re: #539 albusteve

it is folly...it will produce nothing...it will reduce savings and spending power...it is exactly the wrong thing to do...it's pandering in the extreme

It is redistribution of wealth. You have to at least hand it to him for coming through on a campaign promise. That is more than can be said for some. Nevertheless, I agree that it will be a colossal failure and only put us further in the hole.

551 Wyatt Earp  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 7:21:25am

re: #548 turn

Thinking back, the thing that cracked me up about his old startreck episodes was that he basically got laid by some exotic alien in about every one. Ha!

Mmm . . . blue women!

552 realwest  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 7:21:46am

re: #442 aussiemagpie
Yes. The tires on the new presidential armored car limosine will be black or white, depending on where he's driving it to!

553 notutopia  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 7:21:52am

re: #547 realwest

Hi notutopia! Geez, that thing sounds like it's got more armor than an Abrams main battle tank!
Wonder when he ordered it - before or after he said he'd bail out the Big 2?
I'd just be careful as it is probably assembled by members of the UAW!

Friendly Fire!
Lol.

554 Salamantis  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 7:21:58am

re: #523 Hard Right

I never thought of kissinger as a "great diplomat" either. The fact the media loves him should be a tip off.

Their other darling, Zbigniew Brzezinski, was no better, and arguably much worse.

555 scottishbuzzsaw  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 7:22:01am

My sweet little old mutt, Conan the Librarian (AKA Harasstus Underfoot, AKA Mr. Small, AKA Boo) is begging to be taken to the park to chase snowflakes. Have a wonderful day, All, and hope to 'see' you again soon.

556 FrogMarch  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 7:22:30am

Good morning, all.

While war rages in Israel/Gaza - we have our own war to fight. A war for freedom. A fight against fascist stealth union aggression. A fight against lying cheat democrats with anti-competitive socialist agendas.
(see here for example of what Democrats want to promote)

Unions spent as much as $400 million in the 2008 election cycle to get labor-friendly candidates elected. They succeeded and now have made passage of the Employee Free Choice Act a priority. The Democratic leadership, having enjoyed the electoral fruits of the unions' generosity, would like to oblige.

Despite its noble-sounding name, the legislation won't expand freedom. The bill could be more accurately called the card check act, for it has nothing to do with free choice.

[Link: www.ibdeditorials.com...]

557 formercorpsman  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 7:22:45am

re: #506 Iron Fist


Yes, it must be. Since Europe has banned any person from actually owning a firearm, it has been left up to the firearms to do the murdering for themselves now.

558 albusteve  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 7:22:47am

re: #550 Ford_Prefect

It is redistribution of wealth. You have to at least hand it to him for coming through on a campaign promise. That is more than can be said for some. Nevertheless, I agree that it will be a colossal failure and only put us further in the hole.

it is so blatently stupid as to be criminal...I hate the feds

559 [deleted]  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 7:23:03am
560 scottishbuzzsaw  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 7:23:15am

re: #548 turn

Thinking back, the thing that cracked me up about his old startreck episodes was that he basically got laid by some exotic alien in about every one. Ha!

Indeed...leading Bones to ask in one of the movies, "What IS it with you?!"

561 [deleted]  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 7:23:28am
562 realwest  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 7:23:52am

#415 lincolntf - Mom says according to Fox, Time Warner TV was down all along the eastern seaboard because of an ice storm in New England.
Gee, maybe the Patriots shoulda gotten into the playoffs after all!
/ducks

563 [deleted]  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 7:24:50am
564 Maximu§  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 7:24:59am

re: #526 Hard Right

Let me guess, Ann won?

She held her own very well. Matt tried his best to derail her and put words into her mouth.

565 Ford_Prefect  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 7:25:04am

re: #531 DeafDog

He will seek to consolidate his political base by expanding the definition of economic victims to everyone who has made bad choices in life.

Ooh. I once bought a Ford Pinto, I think I need a bailout.

566 notutopia  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 7:25:08am

re: #561 taxfreekiller

so, you got these liberal democratic party voters who do not work
so, you give them more of my tax money to, not work,

that's a plan?
keep people from working?

That's always been the plan since FDR.
Fed Job security.

567 turn  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 7:25:22am

re: #490 Wyatt Earp

Can't he do both? :)

You dirty wabbit, I'll shoot you white between the eyes is yas tries to cuts off Californie - elmer fudd

568 lincolntf  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 7:25:28am

re: #562 realwest

That's just not nice. Slap on wrist for you.

569 aussiemagpie  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 7:25:29am

re: #538 Iron Fist

Pretty much. He was in the Illinois State Senate for a few years, but it is my understanding that he didn't actul do much except show up occasionally to cast a "present" vote. I really don't know how much community organizing he's even done. Again, he might show up to get his paycheck, but he's done as little as possible to get it.

His biggest claim to fame was in having Ayers as a friend and mentor. Apparently, hanging with the right terrorists is political manna in Chicago. we are so fucked. Obama is going to be doing "on the job training" for a whole host of issues from tax policy to economics to war, none of which he has any particular knowledge of.

Registering dead Chicagoans to vote doesn't really do much to prepare you for the rigors of the Presidency.

Thanks, it will b a nerve wrackng four years for you, and of course for us as well

*When America sneezes, the world catches a cold*

570 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 7:25:31am

re: #367 Nevergiveup

We have a little here in NY/NJ, but then again we have Teixiera.

Yep, another one the Rangers let get away. Tom Hicks is an idiot.

571 Wyatt Earp  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 7:25:32am

re: #564 Maximu§

She held her own very well. Matt tried his best to derail her and put words into her mouth.

I'd rather Ann put her fist in Lauer's mouth. There is certainly enough room!

572 turn  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 7:26:04am

re: #551 Wyatt Earp

Mmm . . . blue women!

With antennae!

573 Ford_Prefect  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 7:26:15am

re: #555 scottishbuzzsaw

My sweet little old mutt, Conan the Librarian (AKA Harasstus Underfoot, AKA Mr. Small, AKA Boo) is begging to be taken to the park to chase snowflakes. Have a wonderful day, All, and hope to 'see' you again soon.

Later Scottish.

574 Occasional Reader  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 7:26:16am

Good morning.

"Egyptian-French ceasefire proposal".

What could possibly go wrong?

575 Salamantis  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 7:26:20am

re: #562 realwest

#415 lincolntf - Mom says according to Fox, Time Warner TV was down all along the eastern seaboard because of an ice storm in New England.
Gee, maybe the Patriots shoulda gotten into the playoffs after all!
/ducks

Y'all Eastern Seaboarders and New Englanders can thank my beloved Gulf Coast for pumping alla that moisture up to ya!

Yer very welcome!

/

576 Hard Right  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 7:26:24am

re: #543 albusteve

save the last bullet amigo...youre gonna want it

If the initial blast doesn't get me. Then again, Mexico may be an option. Mexico...that bullet looks even better now. ;)

577 Wyatt Earp  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 7:27:06am

re: #574 Occasional Reader

Good morning.

"Egyptian-French ceasefire proposal".

What could possibly go wrong?

Israel "surrenders" to croissants and brie?

578 aussiemagpie  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 7:27:13am

re: #552 realwest

Yes. The tires on the new presidential armored car limosine will be black or white, depending on where he's driving it to!

LOL!

579 Dustyvet  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 7:27:14am

re: #537 Wyatt Earp

Damned shame.

The incident of August 17, 1957:

[Link: mpdfederation.com...]

580 [deleted]  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 7:27:24am
581 Maximu§  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 7:27:29am

re: #571 Wyatt Earp

I'd rather Ann put her fist in Lauer's mouth. There is certainly enough room!

Matt was following orders from NBC to try and paint her as a "crazy woman", but she held her ground and did'nt let him control the interview.

582 albusteve  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 7:27:35am

re: #556 FrogMarch

Good morning, all.

While war rages in Israel/Gaza - we have our own war to fight. A war for freedom. A fight against fascist stealth union aggression. A fight against lying cheat democrats with anti-competitive socialist agendas.
(see here for example of what Democrats want to promote)

[Link: www.ibdeditorials.com...]

communism pure and simple...complete with the elites, the proletariate and the goons to keep it moving

583 Spenser (with an S)  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 7:27:51am

re: #541 aussiemagpie

Yeah, I know, I've got a pile too. I thought of it the other day with your postings about the funnel web spiders. His thoughts on the sheer quantity of things in Australia that can kill you painfully is a major part of the first few chapters. He cracks me up a lot as he learns of these things.

584 lawhawk  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 7:28:17am

re: #574 Occasional Reader

Indeed.

Of course, Hamas has already categorically ruled out any long term ceasefire.

You know when Hamas starts calling for a hudna, that's when you know Israel has really hit Hamas hard. That's also when Israel has to throw everything at Hamas to eliminate its terror infrastructure once and for all.

The problem is, that the 3-hour "ceasefire that wasn't" has opened the door to the diplomats controlling the outcome, not the IAF and IDF, which has been doing its job of killing terrorists expertly.

585 Hard Right  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 7:28:18am

re: #551 Wyatt Earp

Mmm . . . blue women!

You like smurfs?

586 Maximu§  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 7:28:47am

Oh, btw...California is running out of cash.

Thanks Democrats! You people are doing a bang-up job!

587 formercorpsman  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 7:28:59am

re: #563 buzzsawmonkey

It seems that fellow also is involved with Houghton Mifflin.

588 realwest  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 7:29:01am

re: #451 lawhawk
Hi lahawk, well I voted for ya last night so I gotta wait until tonight to vote again, but it does seem as if you have some competition! Hey Y'all - go vote for A Blog For All (the name of lawhawks blog) NOW PLEASE!
Link is: [Link: 2008.weblogawards.org...]
Thankew!

589 Occasional Reader  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 7:29:04am

re: #563 buzzsawmonkey

So, check out the verses here, and let me know if I need to be worried.

Best compliment I can pay them; the poems aren't as bad as the artwork?

590 notutopia  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 7:29:08am

re: #563 buzzsawmonkey

So, check out the verses here, and let me know if I need to be worried.

He's good...but he's got nothing on your prose!
No worries!

591 DeafDog  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 7:29:25am

re: #561 taxfreekiller

so, you got these liberal democratic party voters who do not work
so, you give them more of my tax money to, not work,

that's a plan?
keep people from working?

It's the newest ponzi scheme. It works like this...

Every entry level worker (whether they are young, uneducated, lazy or an illegal alien) should get a bonus because they are inexperienced. Experienced workers should take out a loan to pay that bonus.

The theory goes that those entry level workers will be incented to gain experience. Then they will lose their bonus and take out a loan to pay the newer inexperienced workers.

Makes total sense to me.

/

592 Occasional Reader  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 7:29:43am

re: #580 buzzsawmonkey

You forgot the Sarkozy tag.

And here I wasn't even aware that Egypt and France were at war!

593 Dustyvet  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 7:30:28am

If a Smerf stops breathing, what color does it turn to?

594 Hard Right  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 7:30:31am

re: #583 Spenser (with an S)

Yeah, I know, I've got a pile too. I thought of it the other day with your postings about the funnel web spiders. His thoughts on the sheer quantity of things in Australia that can kill you painfully is a major part of the first few chapters. He cracks me up a lot as he learns of these things.

After seeing all the nasty creatures the Outback has, I understand why it was made a penal colony.

595 Ford_Prefect  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 7:30:49am

re: #551 Wyatt Earp

Mmm . . . blues women!

Fixed

596 Hard Right  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 7:31:10am

re: #593 Dustyvet

If a Smerf stops breathing, what color does it turn to?

I am guessing pink. Do smurfs have red blood?

597 realwest  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 7:31:44am

re: #458 Neo Con since 9-11 ah well, ok, thanks! (he actually means the most verbose y'all, but he's too nice to put it that way! LOL!).
But check out Mandy's Karma rating - whoa, through the roof!

598 jcm  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 7:31:58am

Radio bulletin.

Roland Burris to be seated in the Senate.

599 Occasional Reader  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 7:32:09am

re: #580 buzzsawmonkey

You forgot the Sarkozy tag.

Memo to Sarko: Quelqu'un m'a dit que... this ceasefire proposal is just another attempt to punish Israel and save the terrorists' bacon.

600 turn  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 7:33:00am

re: #502 Salamantis

My Uncle Fred died asleep in his bed beside his wife when shrapnel he took in WW II finally worked its way to his heart more than 20 years later. I imagine that he was one of the last casualties of that war.

Wow, I had an Uncle Fred who took shrapnel in WWII too. He died of emphysema, which is far worse than dying in you sleep. I guess you could say he was a casualty of RJ Reynolds. Hey all you smoking lizards, please stop! I smoked for about 10 years and quit cold turkey, you can do it too.

601 [deleted]  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 7:33:25am
602 [deleted]  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 7:33:31am
603 albusteve  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 7:33:37am

re: #595 Ford_Prefect

Fixed

I saw her again after many years up in Telluride...she was so difficult to watch that many people were sort of embarrassed...she has her fans tho and they lover her...she is way way over the hill now...her catty thing doesnt work anymore

604 jcm  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 7:33:43am

After a ton of snow and cold temps, a warm Pacific storm moves in.

Western Washington under flood warning

Storms bringing heavy rain, high winds and rising temperatures began hitting the state, raising the risk of avalanches in the mountains, mudslides at lower elevations, flooding and roof cave-ins over the next couple of days, the National Weather Service said.
605 [deleted]  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 7:34:37am
606 DeafDog  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 7:34:53am

re: #580 buzzsawmonkey

You forgot the Sarkozy tag.

This post has that "je ne se qua" that deserves an upding!

607 Spenser (with an S)  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 7:34:54am

re: #594 Hard Right

After seeing all the nasty creatures the Outback has, I understand why it was made a penal colony.

Yeah, and it's not just the deserted outback. The funnel webs are in major cities and the box jellies are on the beaches! Sturdy people live there, right Aussie?

608 realwest  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 7:35:06am

re: #469 Spare O'Lake
Thank you very much; I intend to fight on as the only other choice is totally unacceptable.

609 rawmuse  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 7:35:10am

re: #598 jcm

Radio bulletin.

Roland Burris to be seated in the Senate.

Smart move. That was looking like diminishing returns for Reid.

610 Dustyvet  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 7:35:19am

re: #598 jcm

Radio bulletin.

Roland Burris to be seated in the Senate.

Now isn't that cute, I've seen jellyfish with more spine then any Democrat will ever have.

611 uncc_compman  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 7:35:22am

re: #503 Ford_Prefect

Does the fact that Obama is talking about a trillion dollar deficit and at the same time talking about giving away more money to people who don't pay taxes in the first place strike anyone else as mildly ironic.

But they pay Payroll, Sales, and State Taxes!

/channeling Alan Colmes

612 [deleted]  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 7:35:29am
613 aussiemagpie  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 7:35:32am

re: #583 Spenser (with an S)

Yeah, I know, I've got a pile too. I thought of it the other day with your postings about the funnel web spiders. His thoughts on the sheer quantity of things in Australia that can kill you painfully is a major part of the first few chapters. He cracks me up a lot as he learns of these things.

Spenser, I'll get started on the book tonight - I need some good reading material - Audacity of Hope is pretty ordinary

BTW we killed a redback spider family camping in our letterbox - their venom can kill

614 Wyatt Earp  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 7:35:50am

re: #581 Maximu§

Matt was following orders from NBC to try and paint her as a "crazy woman", but she held her ground and did'nt let him control the interview.

And yet, NBC has no plans to expose Andrea Mitchell. Go figure.

615 [deleted]  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 7:36:00am
616 Occasional Reader  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 7:36:01am

re: #598 jcm

Radio bulletin.

Roland Burris to be seated in the Senate.

On the whole, I think that's actually a good thing. He won't do any more damage than the Dems are planning to do already, and his presence will be a constant reminder to the electorate of the absurdist levels of corruption that are, at best, one degree of seperation from The Anointed One.

617 Wyatt Earp  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 7:36:03am

re: #585 Hard Right

You like smurfs?

Only Sharmuta!

618 [deleted]  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 7:36:08am
619 FrogMarch  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 7:36:08am

re: #582 albusteve

communism pure and simple...complete with the elites, the proletariate and the goons to keep it moving

Indeed. (btw - as you can see I used the link you posted the other day - thank you) I e-mailed that News4 investigation video to a bunch of people. Gotta spread the word. Corruptocrats are coming to town.

The dems call it "Employee Free Choice Act" - but it's the opposite free choice.
Typical. The Democrats should call it- "Union Intimidation Pay-To-Play Act". But no. Instead we get twisted Orwellian rhetoric becasue democrats always have to hide behind misleading phrases in order to "guilt" and fool the masses.
"It's for the children and the firefighters..." "If you vote against Employee Free choice Act you will be voting against firefighters and children and nurses...etc..."
vile.

620 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 7:36:14am

re: #574 Occasional Reader

Good morning.

"Egyptian-French ceasefire proposal".

What could possibly go wrong?

Well, they do know a lot about buggering out of wars!

621 Ford_Prefect  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 7:36:34am

re: #603 albusteve

I saw her again after many years up in Telluride...she was so difficult to watch that many people were sort of embarrassed...she has her fans tho and they lover her...she is way way over the hill now...her catty thing doesnt work anymore

She is a legend , though. One person that I have seen that doesn't seem to be bothered by age is Tony Bennett. I saw him once with Dianna Krall opening for him. She came back out and played with him. It was great. A year later she was the headliner. I am actually listening to her now.

622 Wyatt Earp  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 7:36:38am

re: #610 Dustyvet

Now isn't that cute, I've seen jellyfish with more spine then any Democrat will ever have.

They caved the second Burris cried "racism."

623 aboo-Hoo-Hoo  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 7:36:53am
I hate to be the one to bring up the unpleasant things that no one else wants to talk about, but just what do you do when a substantial group of people would rather die on their feet than live on their knees? For Hamas, to live on one's knees would be to accept a permanent Jewish presence in the historic land of Israel, an outcome which Hamas was formed to prevent in the first place. One answer is that a slow-motion humanitarian disaster will gradually erode the fighting capacity and morale of Hamas and its popular base in Gaza, presuming that external sources of support can be throttled. What the International Red Cross calls "a full-blown humanitarian crisis" in Gaza is, in a certain sense, part of the solution, not part of the problem. A million and a half people have no way to live in Gaza except on the dole of the international community, in a Petrie dish for Islamist extremism.

...but instead lets keep repeating the same mistakes and allowing the 'international community'{spit} to broker another asinine 'ceasefire' with Hamas the Mullahs.

624 turn  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 7:36:55am

re: #499 realwest

Act or not, I still admire you. Hang in there. BTW, I took a prostate cancer blood test Monday and am waiting to get the results back. Just that frightens the shit out of me so I can really appreciate your bravery.

625 Occasional Reader  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 7:37:03am

re: #607 Spenser (with an S)

Yeah, and it's not just the deserted outback. The funnel webs are in major cities and the box jellies are on the beaches! Sturdy people live there, right Aussie?

Personally, I think the Aussies should relocate to New Zealand for a month while Australia is fumigated!

626 realwest  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 7:37:03am

re: #473 {Miss Trixie} Hey there gorgeous! Thanks for the smooochies, but I don't know, aussie's were pretty good and I've got a
fat big face so y'all coulda left hers on too! LOL!

627 jcm  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 7:37:42am

re: #609 rawmuse

Smart move. That was looking like diminishing returns for Reid.

I don't think they had a legal leg to stand on. Blago is still governor, being under a cloud doesn't mean much technically. As long he's the legal gov. appointing the Senator is his prerogative.

628 Occasional Reader  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 7:37:48am

re: #615 buzzsawmonkey

Saving the terrorists' bacon is haraam. They shouldn't even have bacon in the first place, according to the Koran.

I already used my "wonton attacks on civilians" joke a day or two ago, so I got nothin'.

629 notutopia  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 7:37:50am

re: #601 taxfreekiller

there must be at least 10,000 or so current and former Drill Sgt's
so, vote them in all the state and national governments for 8 to 12 years

fixed

Hmmm...my stepfather was a Drill Sgt...Life with him was regimented...
Personally, I'll have to ponder this. Could work...

630 badger1970  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 7:37:51am

re: #561 taxfreekiller

Sounds like a laziness (leech, sloth, make babies, smoke, drink, do drugs, get nails done, smoke some more) subsidy.

631 faraway  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 7:37:53am

re: #613 aussiemagpie

Spenser, I'll get started on the book tonight - I need some good reading material - Audacity of Hope is pretty ordinary

BTW we killed a redback spider family camping in our letterbox - their venom can kill

Careful with those. Spider venom enjoyed munching part of my face once.

632 [deleted]  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 7:38:21am
633 Hard Right  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 7:38:23am

re: #598 jcm

Radio bulletin.

Roland Burris to be seated in the Senate.

Does the chair have leather straps and a nifty metal hat?

634 realwest  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 7:38:40am

re: #477 Ford_Prefect
Thanks Ford, I appreciate the sentiment.
How are you doing today?

635 Wyatt Earp  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 7:38:44am

re: #628 Occasional Reader

I already used my "wonton attacks on civilians" joke a day or two ago, so I got nothin'.

That only works in a China-Japan war.

636 Dustyvet  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 7:38:54am

re: #620 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Well, they do know a lot about buggering out of wars!

When Euro Disney closed last night, they ended the day with a massive fire works display. 3 hours later the entire French Army arrived at the front Gate, and demanded to surrender to Micky Mouse.

637 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 7:38:54am

re: #613 aussiemagpie

Spenser, I'll get started on the book tonight - I need some good reading material - Audacity of Hope is pretty ordinary

BTW we killed a redback spider family camping in our letterbox - their venom can kill

Racist! I think - it sounds racist!

638 Ford_Prefect  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 7:38:56am

re: #616 Occasional Reader

On the whole, I think that's actually a good thing. He won't do any more damage than the Dems are planning to do already, and his presence will be a constant reminder to the electorate of the absurdist levels of corruption that are, at best, one degree of seperation from The Anointed One.

I disagree. I think that both Illinois and Minnesota need to hold special elections. The process in both cases is too screwed at this point. Let the people sort it out.

639 DeafDog  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 7:39:01am

re: #598 jcm

Radio bulletin.

Roland Burris to be seated in the Senate.

Score it Blago 1, Harry Reid 0.

In other news, You tube bulletinRoland the Headless Tompson Gunner is still missing in the Congo.

640 formercorpsman  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 7:39:02am

re: #614 Wyatt Earp

Wyatt, I am out of the loop, can you elaborate?

641 uncc_compman  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 7:39:13am

re: #619 FrogMarch

Indeed. (btw - as you can see I used the link you posted the other day - thank you) I e-mailed that News4 investigation video to a bunch of people. Gotta spread the word. Corruptocrats are coming to town.

The dems call it "Employee Free Choice Act" - but it's the opposite free choice.
Typical. The Democrats should call it- "Union Intimidation Pay-To-Play Act". But no. Instead we get twisted Orwellian rhetoric becasue democrats always have to hide behind misleading phrases in order to "guilt" and fool the masses.
"It's for the children and the firefighters..." "If you vote against Employee Free choice Act you will be voting against firefighters and children and nurses...etc..."
vile.

Maybe it was opposite Day when they came up with the title of that Act.

642 badger1970  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 7:39:14am

re: #574 Occasional Reader

They end up shooting each other?

643 Salamantis  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 7:39:17am

re: #613 aussiemagpie

Spenser, I'll get started on the book tonight - I need some good reading material - Audacity of Hope is pretty ordinary

BTW we killed a redback spider family camping in our letterbox - their venom can kill

We northwest Floridians don't have it as bad as y'all Aussies do, but we DO have black widows, brown recluses, sand scorpions, and all four of the indigenous US poisonous snakes (rattlesnakes, cottonmouth moccasins, copperheads, and coral snakes). And while y'all have crocs, we have gators.

644 Wyatt Earp  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 7:39:18am

re: #636 Dustyvet

When Euro Disney closed last night, they ended the day with a massive fire works display. 3 hours later the entire French Army arrived at the front Gate, and demanded to surrender to Micky Mouse.

Mickey Mouse, of course, being Sarkozy.

645 [deleted]  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 7:39:21am
646 turn  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 7:39:41am

re: #530 realwest

ROTFL!
But I still don't get Neo-Cons' comment - I didn't realize there was a race going on! If I had, I'd type shorter comments.
But geez, have you seen Mandy's phenominal Karma rating?! I think she's only behind Sharmuta in that area!

MM's karma doesn't count, she gets updings with a CLUE-BY-FOUR!
/

647 Hard Right  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 7:39:51am

re: #617 Wyatt Earp

Only Sharmuta!

Understandable. She is a sexy one.

648 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 7:40:05am

re: #614 Wyatt Earp

And yet, NBC has no plans to expose Andrea Mitchell. Go figure.

I for one, don't want to see her exposed!

649 albusteve  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 7:40:07am

re: #619 FrogMarch

Indeed. (btw - as you can see I used the link you posted the other day - thank you) I e-mailed that News4 investigation video to a bunch of people. Gotta spread the word. Corruptocrats are coming to town.

The dems call it "Employee Free Choice Act" - but it's the opposite free choice.
Typical. The Democrats should call it- "Union Intimidation Pay-To-Play Act". But no. Instead we get twisted Orwellian rhetoric becasue democrats always have to hide behind misleading phrases in order to "guilt" and fool the masses.
"It's for the children and the firefighters..." "If you vote against Employee Free choice Act you will be voting against firefighters and children and nurses...etc..."
vile.

the name of the Act is Orwellian...which I was referring to...this is just unacceptable...from the piece, 7.5% of the US workforce...unions like the UAW should be dealt with in civil courts...RICCO maybe

650 Wyatt Earp  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 7:40:22am

re: #640 formercorpsman

Wyatt, I am out of the loop, can you elaborate?

Lauer was painting Coulter as a crazy woman today, so I asked when NBC plans to expose the obviously biased and nutty Andrea Mitchell.

651 Bloodnok  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 7:40:37am

re: #617 Wyatt Earp

Only Sharmuta!

Two words. Hub- and -ba.

652 Occasional Reader  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 7:40:44am

re: #643 Salamantis

but we DO have black widows, brown recluses

RACIST!

653 Dustyvet  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 7:40:44am

re: #647 Hard Right

Understandable. She is a sexy one.

Only when she wares a Snuggie...:)

654 realwest  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 7:40:48am

re: #478 Wyatt Earp
Hey Wyatt - I prefer the term barbarians, rats just do what rats do to survive; these people willfully remain in the 1200's.
Geez, never thought I'd see the day when I post something in defense of rats!

655 Wyatt Earp  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 7:41:02am

re: #648 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

I for one, don't want to see her exposed!

UPDING! (For the "down ding" just got after picturing an exposed Mitchell.)

656 Ford_Prefect  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 7:41:19am

re: #634 realwest

Thanks Ford, I appreciate the sentiment.
How are you doing today?

I am well, thanks. Still battling a slight cold, but nothing major now. I have to leave at some point to pick up the wife and take her to the doctor. She thinks she is developing a sinus infection.

657 [deleted]  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 7:41:44am
658 realwest  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 7:41:50am

Oh fer cryng out loud - I'm more than 100 posts behind!
HEY EVERYONE - why don't y'all go make another pot of coffee?!

659 albusteve  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 7:41:58am

re: #621 Ford_Prefect

She is a legend , though. One person that I have seen that doesn't seem to be bothered by age is Tony Bennett. I saw him once with Dianna Krall opening for him. She came back out and played with him. It was great. A year later she was the headliner. I am actually listening to her now.

Tony seems cool...he likes the younger folks...always a good thing

660 Wyatt Earp  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 7:42:00am

re: #653 Dustyvet

Only when she wares a Snuggie...:)

Can we go at least one thread without mentioning a "Snuggie." Don't make me pull out a reference to "He Who Shall Not Be Named!"

661 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 7:42:06am

re: #635 Wyatt Earp

That only works in a China-Japan war.

It's been 50+ years - they're due to erupt, just like Yellowstone.

662 Occasional Reader  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 7:42:28am

re: #635 Wyatt Earp

That only works in a China-Japan war.

I floated it in connection with a proposal for the IDF to bombard the Palis with pork-filled Chinese dumplings, you see.

663 Wyatt Earp  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 7:42:34am

re: #658 realwest

Oh fer cryng out loud - I'm more than 100 posts behind!
HEY EVERYONE - why don't y'all go make another pot of coffee?!

You're only 67,000 ahead of me. I better get crackin'.

664 Hard Right  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 7:42:34am

re: #613 aussiemagpie

Spenser, I'll get started on the book tonight - I need some good reading material - Audacity of Hope is pretty ordinary

BTW we killed a redback spider family camping in our letterbox - their venom can kill

I used to catch scorpions and have killed many a black widow, yet I stay away from Australia because of the creepy crawlies. Just too darned many of em.

665 Dustyvet  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 7:42:40am

re: #658 realwest

Oh fer cryng out loud - I'm more than 100 posts behind!
HEY EVERYONE - why don't y'all go make another pot of coffee?!

(_)? Coffee Up!

666 Hard Right  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 7:43:28am

re: #653 Dustyvet

Only when she wares a Snuggie...:)

Arrrg. Not the dreaded snuggie again!

667 faraway  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 7:43:30am

re: #657 buzzsawmonkey

I understand a lot of Floridians live in gatored communities.

They are all getting a bit "long in the tooth"

668 DeafDog  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 7:43:45am

re: #657 buzzsawmonkey

I understand a lot of Floridians live in gatored communities.

Usually the puns are pretty bad, but Iguana admit, that one's pretty good.

669 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 7:43:49am

re: #664 Hard Right

I used to catch scorpions and have killed many a black widow, yet I stay away from Australia because of the creepy crawlies. Just too darned many of em.

And to top it off, the whole place is an island surrounded by sharks!

670 aussiemagpie  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 7:43:52am

re: #607 Spenser (with an S)

Yeah, and it's not just the deserted outback. The funnel webs are in major cities and the box jellies are on the beaches! Sturdy people live there, right Aussie?

Us city people see all those nasty things in reptile parks and zoos mainly, however we learn not to put ourselves in danger - like walking in long grass in bare feet, swimming in the ocean in summer up in the north of OZ

Funnel webs are pretty active right now around Sydney - a few years ago we had one in the house, upstairs! How it got there we'll never know but it was upright and ready to attack just before we squashed it

I took it to work and had it identified - I was working in a big hospital back then

671 Hard Right  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 7:44:41am

re: #657 buzzsawmonkey

I understand a lot of Floridians live in gatored communities.

What a cold blooded response.

672 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 7:44:46am

re: #668 DeafDog

Usually the puns are pretty bad, but Iguana admit, that one's pretty good.

I can see we're headed into a Gila of a good time here.

673 Occasional Reader  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 7:44:48am

re: #669 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

And to top it off, the whole place is an island surrounded by sharks!

And filled with convicts!

/ducks

674 Wyatt Earp  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 7:44:52am

re: #669 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

And to top it off, the whole place is an island surrounded by sharks!

There's a reason Britain made it a penal colony.

Heh, heh, "penal."

675 albusteve  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 7:45:15am

re: #645 Iron Fist

And if Israel doesn't win this thing in the next twelve days then she is in for a very rude awakening once Obama takes office. Israel shouldn't give Hamas one second of truce to regroup and rearm. Hit them harder and faster until they collapse under the load.

then give them the boot...anyhow I'm in disagreement about the Awakening...I hope people are giving Oboy too much credit...really hoping

676 Hard Right  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 7:45:21am

re: #669 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

And to top it off, the whole place is an island surrounded by sharks!

Sharks (shudder). I do not like being #2 on the food chain. Especially when I can't see them coming.

677 rawmuse  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 7:45:26am

re: #658 realwest

Oh fer cryng out loud - I'm more than 100 posts behind!
HEY EVERYONE - why don't y'all go make another pot of coffee?!

Speed reading helps.

678 turn  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 7:45:34am

re: #605 buzzsawmonkey

Hey, turn, nice to meet a portion of the family yesterday.

Thanks buzz. You know what amazes me about kids (well he's 17 but none the less) is their knowledge of the computers. He was teaching me things I didn't know, he was zooming around opening links, googling this, youtubing that, page searching text, embedding this, yacking yacking yacking. Hell I told him to slow down! He's a really good kid.

679 Wyatt Earp  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 7:45:45am

re: #676 Hard Right

Sharks (shudder). I do not like being #2 on the food chain. Especially when I can't see them coming.

Just listen for the music. Duh!

680 formercorpsman  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 7:46:22am

re: #650 Wyatt Earp

I gotcha, I just was not sure if there was a link, incident, etc.

681 realwest  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 7:46:37am

re: #476 Iron Fist
Hey Fist! Well that explains why he's surrounded himself with Beltway Insiders - old Clinton hands and a few of the Carter aides who hung in there waiting for their day in the Sun!
So much for the "Change" part of Obama's campaing rhetoric!

682 Salamantis  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 7:46:53am

re: #676 Hard Right

Sharks (shudder). I do not like being #2 on the food chain. Especially when I can't see them coming.

Hey; We got sharks, too...and man o' wars, and stonefish, and all sorts o' sea nasties.

683 [deleted]  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 7:46:54am
684 Dustyvet  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 7:47:05am

re: #674 Wyatt Earp

There's a reason Britain made it a penal colony.

Heh, heh, "penal."

I was just thinking that Hamas is anal retentative, toilet trained by the IDF...:)

685 DeafDog  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 7:47:06am

re: #672 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

I can see we're headed into a Gila of a good time here.


Right from the geiko!

686 Wyatt Earp  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 7:47:44am

re: #684 Dustyvet

I was just thinking that Hamas is anal retentative, toilet trained by the IDF...:)

They are also anal attentive, since they get rockets up the rear every three minutes!

687 Occasional Reader  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 7:47:59am

re: #676 Hard Right

Sharks (shudder). I do not like being #2 on the food chain. Especially when I can't see them coming.

If there's a knock at your door in the next few minutes, purporting to be a "Candygram", DON'T ANSWER.

688 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 7:49:21am

Good morning, fellow lizardoids, be they green or pink.

I came across a couple of very interesting articles this morning. First, we have one by Jonah Goldberg about "Who are the real Nazis?", and then another by Jim Powell about the "Not so Great Depression".

Powell asks who was the greatest depression-fighting president we in the US had. It wasn't FDR, and be suprised at who.

689 realwest  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 7:49:56am

re: #539 albusteve
Tis true, I'm afraid. Obama got hundreds of millions of bucks from the unions - 2008 value bucks and now he's gonna pay 'em back buck for buck, except the dollar under Obama will be worth, maybe, .50 cents.
Yup, those Unions sure know how to negotiate!
And just wait until all the State governments come to D.C. to get the Feds (i.e., the taxpayers) to bail them out of their deficits! FUN!

690 Occasional Reader  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 7:49:58am

re: #669 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

And to top it off, the whole place is an island surrounded by sharks!

And when you finally make it past the sharks and jelly fish and spiders and crocs and think you're actually safe... there's still Lord Humongous to deal with.

691 WriterMom  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 7:50:04am

re: #664 Hard Right

I guess you've never been to Gaza, either?

692 jcm  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 7:50:14am
693 Wyatt Earp  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 7:50:43am

re: #688 Honorary Yooper

Good morning, fellow lizardoids, be they green or pink.

I came across a couple of very interesting articles this morning. First, we have one by Jonah Goldberg about "Who are the real Nazis?", and then another by Jim Powell about the "Not so Great Depression".

Powell asks who was the greatest depression-fighting president we in the US had. It wasn't FDR, and be suprised at who.

Harding was not a great president, but he did take over for Wilson, one of the more inept.

694 WriterMom  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 7:50:44am

re: #690 Occasional Reader

Disappointing image. If you dangle a Humungous among us, next time cough up a cuter guy...

695 yma o hyd  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 7:50:49am

Hi, Lizard Nation!

Its still grey and freezing here, and it won't change much until the weekend.

Meanwhile, here is the link to an outstanding comment, by David Finkelstein in today's TIMES/London.

If you read just one article today, make it this one!

Israel acts because the world won't defend it

Its simply the best comment I've read about Israel and Gaza.

696 rawmuse  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 7:51:13am

Here is how brazen the crooks are getting out my way.

Five weapons have been stolen from locked cruisers parked by the Sheriffs HQ.

697 Wyatt Earp  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 7:51:14am

re: #690 Occasional Reader

And when you finally make it past the sharks and jelly fish and spiders and crocs and think you're actually safe... there's still Lord Humongous to deal with.

"The warrior of the wasteland! The Ayatollah of Rock and Rolla!"

698 Hard Right  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 7:51:17am

re: #682 Salamantis

Hey; We got sharks, too...and man o' wars, and stonefish, and all sorts o' sea nasties.

I tend to stay out of the ocean these days. Almost stepped on a huge puffer fish and had a baby barracuda give me the eye.
BTW, the Aussies have the box jellyfish. Lethal.

699 [deleted]  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 7:51:20am
700 VegasRick  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 7:51:35am

Is anyone else watching FOX? Nancy somethingorother, 1st ever "Chief performannce administrator"? WTF?

701 realwest  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 7:51:36am

re: #549 DeafDog
Thank you very much.

702 Kenneth  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 7:51:41am

UN employee covering for terrorists:

Many of the MSM reports on the incident at the UN school in Gaza include a quote from one Christoper Gunness, for example...


Christopher Gunness of the UN Relief and Works Agency, responsible for the school, said the agency was "99.9 percent certain there were no militants or military activity in its school."

Israeli officials have identified two Hamas terrorists who were killed in the incident:

The Israeli military said Hamas militants were firing mortars from the U.N. school in the northern Gaza town of Jabalya that was being used as a shelter by hundreds of civilians. It said a pair of prominent Hamas operatives -- Imad Abu Askhar and Hassan Abu Askhar -- were in the school.

The fact that Hamas fired on the IDF from the school has been confirmed by 2 Gaza residents:

Two residents of the area near UN school that was shelled by the IDF on Tuesday said that they had seen a small group of terrorists firing mortar rounds from a street close to the school. The two spoke with The Associated Press by telephone on condition of anonymity for fear of reprisal.

And of course, there is a very good video of Hamas terrorists using the same school to launch mortars at Israel recorded in 2007. Is Chris Gunness claiming that Hamas suddenly stopped using the school?

Who is Christopher Gunness, anyway? Well, this interview on the leftist "news" organization Democracy Now! gives you a very good picture of where his sympathies lie:

But the fact is that although Israel did leave Gaza in 2005, it then exposed an occupied people for the first time in human history to the most stringent trade embargo in the history of trade relations. In international law, there’s the concept of effective control: if you control the airspace, the land and the sea borders of a place, you occupy it. And from the UN’s point of view, there is one occupied territory. So if there’s one Israeli soldier occupying the West Bank, then Gaza is also occupied. I’m afraid that is how international law works. Gaza has continued to be occupied. And until the underlying cause of this, the occupation, is addressed and the strangulation, which is part of that occupation, is addressed, I fear for the people of Sderot.

Umm... doesn't Egypt control a Gaza border too? What about them? No, it's all Israel's fault.

703 Occasional Reader  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 7:51:48am

re: #682 Salamantis

Hey; We got sharks, too...and man o' wars, and stonefish, and all sorts o' sea nasties.

Is it "man o' wars" or "men o' war"? Or should we update/PC-ize it to "persons o' non-violent conflict resolution"?

704 faraway  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 7:52:20am

Can you people please be quiet. Lord Obama is speaking.

705 WriterMom  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 7:52:21am

re: #698 Hard Right

a baby barracuda give me the eye

That oughta rotate. Were you describing Palin's grandchild?

706 Ford_Prefect  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 7:52:40am

re: #700 VegasRick

Is anyone else watching FOX? Nancy somethingorother, 1st ever "Chief performannce administrator"? WTF?

What is she, a stripper?

/

707 Hard Right  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 7:52:40am

re: #691 WriterMom

I guess you've never been to Gaza, either?

You insult critters with that comparison.
///

708 Wyatt Earp  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 7:52:49am

re: #704 faraway

Can you people please be quiet. Lord Obama is speaking.

Aaaa-men!

709 WriterMom  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 7:53:10am

re: #702 Kenneth

Christopher Gunness of the UN Relief and Works Agency, responsible for the school, said the agency was "99.9 percent certain there were no militants or military activity in its school."

WOW. Imagine what a little .01% will do to a theory.

710 Wyatt Earp  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 7:53:11am

re: #706 Ford_Prefect

What is she, a stripper?

/

Hold on, I gotta go get some dollar bills!

711 Occasional Reader  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 7:53:25am

re: #694 WriterMom

If you dangle a Humungous among us

I don't think the dangle of my Humungous is a proper subject for this blog, young lady.

712 VegasRick  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 7:53:28am

re: #706 Ford_Prefect

What is she, a stripper?

/

I hope not! Did you see her!

713 realwest  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 7:53:31am

re: #554 Salamantis
Good morning Sal! I don't see much arguing: Zbigniew Brzezinski was by far and away the worst EVER.

714 VegasRick  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 7:54:01am

re: #710 Wyatt Earp

Hold on, I gotta go get some dollar bills!

She takes nickels.

715 Wyatt Earp  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 7:54:21am

re: #714 VegasRick

She takes nickels.

And gives change back.

716 Occasional Reader  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 7:54:21am

re: #702 Kenneth

UN employee covering for terrorists Dog bites man:

717 Hard Right  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 7:54:22am

re: #687 Occasional Reader

If there's a knock at your door in the next few minutes, purporting to be a "Candygram", DON'T ANSWER.

Heh. I use that line myself. If it doesn't work I tell them I'm a dolphin

718 WriterMom  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 7:54:32am

re: #711 Occasional Reader

Well dang!

719 Dustyvet  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 7:54:47am

re: #704 faraway

Can you people please be quiet. Lord Obama is speaking.

Lord Obama can bite me...

720 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 7:54:57am

re: #693 Wyatt Earp

Harding was not a great president, but he did take over for Wilson, one of the more inept.

Harding often gets a bum rap for being more hands-off and pro-business during his term in office, as does Coolidge. This bum rap is usually given by Progressive historians who praise FDR for the job he did during the Great Depression. Harding had to reverse a lot of Progressive Wilsonian policies, and he managed to get the top tax rate down to 25% from somewhere near 60-70%. That stimulated a lot of investment in business and industry. That stimulation put a lot of people in work (unemployment was around 3%) and made the rich and poor richer.

Contrast that with the anti-business policies of FDR.

721 ThnkngOutLoud  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 7:54:58am

Is anyone counting the number of "Uhhh's: The O is using? Maybe Caroline Kennedy is keeping score...

722 aussiemagpie  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 7:54:58am

re: #612 Iron Fist

Yeah, it will be an awful four years any way you look at it. I'm pretty pessimistic about it, and I'm already losing sleep because of it. I imagine that will only get worse as time moves on and my fears become reality.

As far as the America cold thing, you are again correct. But I don't think that the reflexively anti-American Left really know that. If Americans stop buying so many goods from China because our economy is in the shitter, then the economy of China goes in the tank. Likewise the economies of many other countries from around the world.

If the Republicans can find their conservative spine, perhaps they can regain control of Congress in two years...or is that wishful thinking?

We've survived a year and a bit of our PM Rudd, who is also a Change and Hope person, and has given away so much of taxpayer money to undeserving recipients such as Hamas...and it's been depressing

One thing I do NOT do anymore is watch any news on TV, even Foxnews is appalling these days

So thanks to PM Rudd, I now read more books and blogs and watch more footy and cricket!

723 SFGoth  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 7:55:00am

Machiavelli. Hmmm, maybe required reading for Republican whores, errr, I mean politicians?

724 Ford_Prefect  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 7:55:03am

re: #714 VegasRick

She takes nickels.

Ahhh...no nickels. How about bus tokens?

725 faraway  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 7:55:05am

When is Obama going to take off his shirt?

He says: "waiting on the final size of the package" ooo

726 WriterMom  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 7:55:20am

re: #704 faraway

Hahahahha

727 MandyManners  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 7:55:31am

re: #700 VegasRick

Is anyone else watching FOX? Nancy somethingorother, 1st ever "Chief performannce administrator"? WTF?

Wasn't Monica Lewinsky the first one?

728 albusteve  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 7:55:39am

re: #689 realwest

Tis true, I'm afraid. Obama got hundreds of millions of bucks from the unions - 2008 value bucks and now he's gonna pay 'em back buck for buck, except the dollar under Obama will be worth, maybe, .50 cents.
Yup, those Unions sure know how to negotiate!
And just wait until all the State governments come to D.C. to get the Feds (i.e., the taxpayers) to bail them out of their deficits! FUN!

we have to get back to generating wealth...the economic solutions are there...we are living in a political nightmare and the feds are on the march once again...this state bailout thing maybe can be fought off in the courts...I dont know

729 lawhawk  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 7:55:43am

re: #692 jcm

About time someone took this one headon.

California Students Sue Colleges Giving Illegal Immigrants In-State Tuition

Hah! New Jersey - the legislature has a commission looking to not only give illegal aliens drivers licenses (sure, they call it something else, but it is a license for them to drive), but in-state tuition.

New Jersey is contemplating giving illegal aliens more benefits than fellow out-of-state US citizens. They want to subsidize illegal aliens get educations at a time when the state can't afford existing state policies.

No wonder New Jersey is poised to lose another Congressional seat when reapportionment happens in 2010. The high tax burden and insane policies in Trenton are sending people fleeing.

730 yochanan  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 7:55:58am

Israel has till jan 20th to GET'ER DONE.

731 jcm  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 7:56:09am

Family values...
///

Porn mogul Larry Flynt sues nephews over use of family name

So this week, he filed suit against two nephews who are using the family name for their own line of adult films. Flynt said he is going to court to protect his good name, saying that he is concerned that Jimmy Flynt II and Dustin Flynt might tarnish the Flynt franchise by producing lower-quality porn that the lawsuit calls "inferior products" and "knock-off goods."


Maybe this could be a precedent setting case...
They all lose!

732 realwest  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 7:56:11am

re: #568 lincolntf
Well ok, as long as you don't *whack* me! LOL!

733 WriterMom  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 7:56:58am

re: #727 MandyManners

MANDY. I was debating commenting "Mildly arousing", but decided not to. BUT WHOOPS. There it is!

734 Ford_Prefect  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 7:57:16am

re: #727 MandyManners

Wasn't Monica Lewinsky the first one?

I love when these threads start getting old. :-)

Morning Mandy.

735 Harry Tuttle  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 7:57:22am

re: #700 VegasRick

Is anyone else watching FOX? Nancy somethingorother, 1st ever "Chief performannce administrator"? WTF?

I have been saying for years that we needed a performance administrator office. Finally, some change.

How else can the performance be administered? How else I ask you!

736 Occasional Reader  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 7:57:39am

re: #727 MandyManners

Wasn't Monica Lewinsky the first one?

Ha!

Yes, and she did a humdinger of a job.

737 faraway  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 7:57:40am

Obama's media foreplay:

"appropriate stimulus"
"final size of the package"
"immediate boost"

738 MandyManners  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 7:57:40am

re: #733 WriterMom

MANDY. I was debating commenting "Mildly arousing", but decided not to. BUT WHOOPS. There it is!

Isn't that what Monica said?

739 Kenneth  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 7:57:53am

Typical of leftists, Gunness has a fluid grasp of the facts:

"Well, let me say, first of all, that unlike your contributor, I suspect, in Washington, I spend a lot of time in Sderot. I go there all the time, and I speak to the residents of Sderot. And although at the moment there might be considerable support within Israel, in these frontline towns that take the barrage and are taking the barrage—by the way, which is intensified with this ground operation—they say, many of them say to me, “The one thing that my government has not tried is talking. We talked to the PLO, and look, we got Oslo.” OK, there are many imperfections, and Oslo wasn’t as implemented. But you know what? A lot of Israelis say the one thing that’s not been tried is talking. And you have to talk to your enemies."

& then a few moment later, he contradicts himself:

"Can I just say—I mean, I do hope I don’t sound disrespectful, but it is simply empirically incorrect to say that Israel has not been speaking to Hamas and Hamas has not been speaking to Israel. There have been talks in Cairo, which led to a ceasefire, which came into effect on the 19th of June this year, and there were five months of relative calm. Go and ask the people of Sderot, because I’ve been there and I’ve asked them. They were very pleased that there were talks, and they were very pleased that those talks led to some sort of peace for them."

Well Chris, in fact, you do sound disrespectful, & you do sound like an ideological idiot. Which is it: talks or no talks? For the record, 5 months of "hudna" while Hamas rearmed is not the same thing as peace. Terrorists continued to fire rockets at Israel during that period. Then Hamas suddenly increased the number of rocket attacks BEFORE the Israeli military operation began.

740 Wyatt Earp  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 7:58:00am

re: #720 Honorary Yooper

Harding often gets a bum rap for being more hands-off and pro-business during his term in office, as does Coolidge. This bum rap is usually given by Progressive historians who praise FDR for the job he did during the Great Depression. Harding had to reverse a lot of Progressive Wilsonian policies, and he managed to get the top tax rate down to 25% from somewhere near 60-70%. That stimulated a lot of investment in business and industry. That stimulation put a lot of people in work (unemployment was around 3%) and made the rich and poor richer.

Contrast that with the anti-business policies of FDR.

It's no wonder that the libs adore the man. Personally, I prefer Teddy over Franklin.

741 Hard Right  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 7:58:03am

re: #705 WriterMom

That oughta rotate. Were you describing Palin's grandchild?

Nope. I'm just not that clever...obviously.

742 realwest  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 7:58:10am

re: #580 buzzsawmonkey
ROTFLMAO! Great one buzz! The Sarkozy tag! LOL!
How are ya today?

743 [deleted]  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 7:58:13am
744 MandyManners  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 7:58:13am

re: #734 Ford_Prefect

I love when these threads start getting old. :-)

Morning Mandy.

Mornin', Ford.

745 VegasRick  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 7:58:20am

re: #727 MandyManners

Wasn't Monica Lewinsky the first one?

ML was "Chief Administerer".

746 aussiemagpie  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 7:58:31am

re: #625 Occasional Reader

Personally, I think the Aussies should relocate to New Zealand for a month while Australia is fumigated!

Hi, OR, now that sounds a marvellous idea :-)

But we do love our creepy crawlies - their ours and someone has to love them

747 Wyatt Earp  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 7:58:38am

re: #736 Occasional Reader

Ha!

Yes, and she did a humdinger of a job.

I hear she drives a Hummer now.

748 Ford_Prefect  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 7:58:42am

re: #735 Harry Tuttle

I have been saying for years that we needed a performance administrator office. Finally, some change.

How else can the performance be administered? How else I ask you!

So Obama doesn't perform well will she give him homework?

749 MandyManners  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 7:58:46am

re: #736 Occasional Reader

Ha!

Yes, and she did a humdinger of a job.

I can't top that.

750 Occasional Reader  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 7:59:03am

re: #735 Harry Tuttle

I have been saying for years that we needed a performance administrator office. Finally, some change.

How else can the performance be administered? How else I ask you!

Change! Our communities will be organized, and our performance will be administered. FINALLY!

751 acwgusa  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 7:59:04am

Arrrgh! What the hell has happened to professional business English?

I actually got an email from another person in a government position here in CA actually using "2" as "to". I went off on that person through email, which I kind of regret now. Still, the CA taxpayers expect some level of professionalism!

752 Salamantis  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 7:59:11am

re: #698 Hard Right

I tend to stay out of the ocean these days. Almost stepped on a huge puffer fish and had a baby barracuda give me the eye.
BTW, the Aussies have the box jellyfish. Lethal.

One time I was bodysurfing, and spotted a shark cruising in the wave beside me. I got out very quickly. Another time, I was up to my neck in the Gulf, gigging flounder with an aluminum-poled gig, and mistakenly gigged an electric ray. I nearly didn't make it out that time.

753 Dustyvet  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 7:59:13am

I was looking at the famous Clue By Four last night, somebody forgot to put the safety on, and it misfired...I got a dirty big lump on my head...

754 jcm  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 7:59:15am

re: #729 lawhawk

WA we have in State Tuition for illegals.
They can get drivers licenses, your supposed to have a BC but they'll accept a bill as proof of residency.
We have motor voter. While the applicant, under penalty of perjury swears to citizenship the clerks are forbidden from verifying it.

755 WriterMom  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 7:59:19am

re: #736 Occasional Reader

Humdinger job?

Is that what the younguns call it nowadays?

756 [deleted]  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 7:59:29am
757 albusteve  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 7:59:30am

re: #729 lawhawk

Hah! New Jersey - the legislature has a commission looking to not only give illegal aliens drivers licenses (sure, they call it something else, but it is a license for them to drive), but in-state tuition.

New Jersey is contemplating giving illegal aliens more benefits than fellow out-of-state US citizens. They want to subsidize illegal aliens get educations at a time when the state can't afford existing state policies.

No wonder New Jersey is poised to lose another Congressional seat when reapportionment happens in 2010. The high tax burden and insane policies in Trenton are sending people fleeing.

tax revolt

758 rawmuse  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 7:59:56am

re: #743 Iron Fist

Hey, I'd sure like a Thompson's! All I have around here is 45acp.
Keeps things simple.

759 jorline  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 7:59:58am

re: #688 Honorary Yooper

Good morning, fellow lizardoids, be they green or pink.

I came across a couple of very interesting articles this morning. First, we have one by Jonah Goldberg about "Who are the real Nazis?", and then another by Jim Powell about the "Not so Great Depression".

Powell asks who was the greatest depression-fighting president we in the US had. It wasn't FDR, and be suprised at who.

Morning, Yooper.

Excellent articles and I would never guessed the greatest depression-fighting president.

One of Harding’s campaign slogans was “less government in business,” and it served him well. Harding embraced the advice of Treasury Secretary Andrew Mellon and called for tax cuts in his first message to Congress on April 12, 1921. The highest taxes, on corporate revenues and “excess” profits, were to be cut. Personal income taxes were to be left as is, with a top rate of 8 percent of incomes above $4,000. Harding recognized the crucial importance of encouraging the investment that is essential for growth and jobs, something that FDR never did.

760 WriterMom  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 8:00:12am

re: #738 MandyManners

Hahahhahaa. No I think it was "blink and you'll miss it".

761 Ford_Prefect  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 8:00:18am

re: #747 Wyatt Earp

I hear she drives a Hummer now.

I don't know, I heard she has become more Versa-tile.

762 WriterMom  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 8:00:42am

re: #749 MandyManners

Nor would you want to.

763 Hard Right  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 8:00:53am

re: #746 aussiemagpie

Hi, OR, now that sounds a marvellous idea :-)

But we do love our creepy crawlies - their ours and someone has to love them

Have you hugged a brown snake today?
///

764 Wyatt Earp  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 8:01:07am

re: #761 Ford_Prefect

I don't know, I heard she has become more Versa-tile.

Yeah, her Hummer's gas mileage blows.

765 albusteve  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 8:01:19am

re: #756 ploome hineni

he keeps droning on

is he actually saying something meanigful?

?I can;t figure it out

he's hypnotizing the droolers...

766 yochanan  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 8:01:21am

re: #746 aussiemagpie

MULTI LEGGED ONES ARE OK
it is the two legged kind that will cause the problems.

767 rw in san diego  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 8:01:24am

re: #751 acwgusa

Arrrgh! What the hell has happened to professional business English?

I actually got an email from another person in a government position here in CA actually using "2" as "to". I went off on that person through email, which I kind of regret now. Still, the CA taxpayers expect some level of professionalism!

No we don't.

768 Wyatt Earp  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 8:01:24am

re: #763 Hard Right

Have you hugged a brown snake today?
///

Michelle Obama has. heh.

769 VegasRick  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 8:01:39am

re: #764 Wyatt Earp

Yeah, her Hummer's gas mileage blows.

It really sucks.

770 rawmuse  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 8:01:55am

re: #752 Salamantis

You guys are wimps. Go in the ocean around here without a wet suit and you're dead from hypothermia in very little time.

771 WriterMom  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 8:02:02am

re: #765 albusteve

OMG that's funny. LOLOLOL.

772 Dustyvet  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 8:02:22am

re: #768 Wyatt Earp

Michelle Obama has. heh.

There goes another keyboard...

773 Harry Tuttle  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 8:02:22am

The office of bureaucratic coordination will be next followed by the department of silly walks.

Department of peace.

They haven't even started down the healthcare reform road.

Game over man, I mean what the fuck are we going to do now to get rid of all this crap?

This is all just a dream right?

774 Salamantis  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 8:02:30am

Another time, I was babysitting a gf's 4 year old daughter at her beach house. Luckily, I shook out her shoes before I slipped them on her feet. Out fell a sand scorpion. I freaked, did a meticulous house search, and found three more.

775 realwest  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 8:02:34am

re: #604 jcm
Hi jcm! Whoa y'all are just having a winter chock full of fun, ain't ya?!
I personally think this is God's punishment for y'all allowing so many moobats into Seattle and for letting your Govenor steal her election (apologies to all Atheists and Agnostics out there!).

776 Wyatt Earp  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 8:02:35am

re: #772 Dustyvet

There goes another keyboard...

Sorry 'bout that.

777 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 8:02:41am

re: #710 Wyatt Earp

Hold on, I gotta go get some dollar bills!

Have you seen her? I'd use nickles.

778 jwb7605  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 8:02:50am

re: #610 Dustyvet

Now isn't that cute, I've seen jellyfish with more spine then any Democrat will ever have.

Another finger in the wind moment (over at RedState): Obama backs away from Panetta

779 bloodnok  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 8:02:56am

re: #700 VegasRick

Is anyone else watching FOX? Nancy somethingorother, 1st ever "Chief performannce administrator"? WTF?

Making it up as he goes along...

780 littleO  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 8:03:01am

re: #531 DeafDog

The bad part is that we never recovered from the great society of LBJ. Prices sky-rocketed throughout the seventies until WE were forced to raise interest rates to stop inflation.
Raising interest rates in the early eighties had not,could not contain the added cost (socialism) that had (and is) been attached to our tax burden. These entitlements have swelled both federal and state and corporate and business budgets ever since.
Prices and cost just don't rise mysteriously. Governments' active debasement of the currency in a desire to create a great society in the long-run helps no one. That has always been the failure of socialism. The reality after one wakes from the dream of socialist equality is that the poor and middle-class are ravaged by a devalued currency.
Those who are vain enough to claim that this attempt will be successful are dangerous. Yet, there cries for equality and promises of entitlements and free stuff, will always bring support from the down-trodden,envious and the otherwise intelligent do-gooder of society.
What will happen after this round of giveaways and massive fiscal irrisponsibility? Massive financial collaspe, War, massive inflation followed by incredible price spikes? All of the above?

781 Dustyvet  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 8:03:18am

re: #776 Wyatt Earp

Sorry 'bout that.

No problem...:)

782 Hard Right  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 8:03:23am

re: #752 Salamantis

One time I was bodysurfing, and spotted a shark cruising in the wave beside me. I got out very quickly. Another time, I was up to my neck in the Gulf, gigging flounder with an aluminum-poled gig, and mistakenly gigged an electric ray. I nearly didn't make it out that time.

I could just image what the shark was thinking: "Fall off, fall off, fall off, aw shucks."

783 Occasional Reader  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 8:03:29am

re: #752 Salamantis

and mistakenly gigged an electric ray

A very HomerSimpson-esque mishap.

784 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 8:03:41am

re: #759 jorline

Andrew Mellon practiced what is now known as Supply-Side Economics. The exact same thing Reagan did in the 1980s. And, lo and behold, it works. Both the 20s and the 80s were times of massive prosperity.

785 jcm  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 8:03:56am

re: #751 acwgusa

Arrrgh! What the hell has happened to professional business English?

I actually got an email from another person in a government position here in CA actually using "2" as "to". I went off on that person through email, which I kind of regret now. Still, the CA taxpayers expect some level of professionalism!

U r xpecting 2 much.

*runs away*

786 aussiemagpie  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 8:03:58am

re: #631 faraway

Careful with those. Spider venom enjoyed munching part of my face once.

That sounds nasty!

787 acwgusa  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 8:04:01am

re: #767 rw in san diego

No we don't.

Well, you should. I can't stand shorthand texting in email! Some of these things get used in public hearings! I would be ashamed if I had a email like that read into the public record.

788 yochanan  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 8:04:43am

re: #764 Wyatt Earp

Yeah, her Hummer's gas mileage blows.

the MPG sure sucks. it really swallows up the gas

i know me bad

789 [deleted]  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 8:05:03am
790 Salamantis  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 8:05:26am

Still another time, I was leaving the house, and my mother came out behind me waving my wallet. When I looked back, I noticed a pygmy rattler in the bush beside her head. Luckily, that same aluminum frog gig was ready to hand. I caught the snake in the air in mid strike and killed it. It would have hit her in the temple.

791 Ford_Prefect  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 8:05:34am

re: #756 ploome hineni

he keeps droning on

is he actually saying something meanigful?

?I can;t figure it out

I hear ya. When he gets going he ends up just sounding like the teacher on the Peanuts cartoons. Wah wah wah wah.

792 Occasional Reader  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 8:05:45am

re: #778 jwb7605

Another finger in the wind moment (over at RedState): Obama backs away from Panetta

From your link:

“I was not informed about the selection of Leon Panetta to be the CIA director,” Feinstein said. “My position has consistently been that I believe the agency is best served by having an intelligence professional in charge at this time.”

Memo to Obama: When Dianne Feinstein is actually making more sense than you are, it's time for some deep self-examination.

793 Ayatollah Ghilmeini  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 8:06:21am

Day 11,

Sorry I don't have more time but nothing is changing. The Israelis have not changed from their mission of destroying Hamas. The IDF is winning every firefight and every battle.

IDF casualties remain light. The counter battery fire on the UN school would have been better if it had not been done and wins Israel no friends. the incident but it is being used by Israel's opponents to try to prevent Israel from winning.

Hamas is in a complete hammerlock; their ability to sustain fighting will degrade daily- they cannot replenish their ammo and they will get no troops or supplies. Every terrorist killed or wounded is not coming back.

In no more than a few days, Hamas will be compelled to surrender unconditionally.

They are on the ropes and collapsing fast.

Gilad Shalit, stay safe, you are coming home.

794 Ford_Prefect  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 8:06:32am

re: #788 yochanan

the MPG sure sucks. it really swallows up the gas

i know me bad

Hmm. I thought she got pretty good mileage.

795 realwest  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 8:06:32am

re: #624 turn Uh, if you get your PSA blood test results back and your doc says anything other than "normal" y'all might want to drop me an e-mail.

796 aussiemagpie  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 8:06:37am

re: #637 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Racist! I think - it sounds racist!

OK - spider with a delicate red stripe adorning it's back!

797 Occasional Reader  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 8:06:42am

re: #789 buzzsawmonkey

but few of his readers, I'll wager, even know what the Dreyfus case was

It involved that high school orchestra, right?

798 MandyManners  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 8:06:50am

re: #768 Wyatt Earp

Michelle Obama has. heh.

*thunk*

799 jorline  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 8:07:04am

re: #784 Honorary Yooper

Andrew Mellon practiced what is now known as Supply-Side Economics. The exact same thing Reagan did in the 1980s. And, lo and behold, it works. Both the 20s and the 80s were times of massive prosperity.

Hopefully someone within the government is smart enough to apply Reaganomics to this economy. I was in my mid twenties when Reagan was in office and remember well the mess Carter left behind.

800 acwgusa  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 8:07:11am

re: #792 Occasional Reader

Memo to Obama: When Dianne Feinstein is actually making more sense than you are, it's time for some deep self-examination.

When Dianne Feinstein makes sense, it's time to check for the other three horsemen of the Apocalypse.

801 Last Mohican  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 8:07:17am

Hey folks, I was just over at the "Best Middle East or Africa Blog"category of the 2008 Weblog awards. It's turning into a two-blog race between Israellycool and the detestable Juan Cole, whose anti-Israel, anti-American "Informed Comment" is currently in the lead by over 300 votes. You might want to click over there and fire off a vote.

802 MandyManners  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 8:07:43am

re: #762 WriterMom

Nor would you want to.

Oh, my stars! I didn't catch that one.

803 Ford_Prefect  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 8:08:07am

re: #790 Salamantis

What are you? Crocodile Dundee?

804 Broomer  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 8:08:20am

Muqata tweets: The Cabinet approves a continuation of the operation in #Gaza.

GOOD!

805 realwest  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 8:08:23am

re: #636 Dustyvet
Hi Dusty! Uh - were you gonna e-mail me today?!

806 bosforus  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 8:08:24am

Morning all! Any good news?

807 aussiemagpie  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 8:08:27am

re: #643 Salamantis

We northwest Floridians don't have it as bad as y'all Aussies do, but we DO have black widows, brown recluses, sand scorpions, and all four of the indigenous US poisonous snakes (rattlesnakes, cottonmouth moccasins, copperheads, and coral snakes). And while y'all have crocs, we have gators.

We'd feel quite at home there then...

808 Harry Tuttle  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 8:09:03am

re: #799 jorline

Hopefully someone within the government is smart enough to apply Reaganomics to this economy. I was in my mid twenties when Reagan was in office and remember well the mess Carter left behind.

"Hopefully ... government ... smart"

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809 Wyatt Earp  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 8:09:11am

re: #803 Ford_Prefect

What are you? Crocodile Dundee?

"That's not an aluminum gig. This is an aluminum gig!"

810 Erik The Red  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 8:09:14am

re: #801 Last Mohican

Hey folks, I was just over at the "Best Middle East or Africa Blog"category of the 2008 Weblog awards. It's turning into a two-blog race between Israellycool and the detestable Juan Cole, whose anti-Israel, anti-American "Informed Comment" is currently in the lead by over 300 votes. You might want to click over there and fire off a vote.

Make it one less

811 Salamantis  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 8:09:18am

Still another time, I went camping, and like a dumbass, pitched my tent on a mound overlooking a pond. It turned out to be an alligator nest. In the middle of the night, Momma came back, and she was sorely pissed. She rushed in my tent, and I nearly didn't make it out.

That same camping trip, a wild boar treed me for hours before it got tired and left.

812 Occasional Reader  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 8:09:27am

re: #790 Salamantis

Luckily, that same aluminum frog gig was ready to hand

You're the only person I know who walks around carrying a frog gig.

813 albusteve  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 8:09:33am

re: #792 Occasional Reader

Memo to Obama: When Dianne Feinstein is actually making more sense than you are, it's time for some deep self-examination.

his vertical learning curve there

814 bloodnok  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 8:09:34am

re: #700 VegasRick

Is anyone else watching FOX? Nancy somethingorother, 1st ever "Chief performannce administrator"? WTF?

Seems to me that he's just insulating himself and Congress from any bad news about the economy. Now he won't have to answer "bad news" questions. And I wonder how much of a budget "The Office of the CPO" will require.

815 albusteve  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 8:10:14am

re: #803 Ford_Prefect

What are you? Crocodile Dundee?

HA!

816 [deleted]  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 8:10:20am
817 Wyatt Earp  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 8:10:23am

re: #811 Salamantis

Still another time, I went camping, and like a dumbass, pitched my tent on a mound overlooking a pond. It turned out to be an alligator nest. In the middle of the night, Momma came back, and she was sorely pissed. She rushed in my tent, and I nearly didn't make it out.

That same camping trip, a wild boar treed me for hours before it got tired and left.

Oh yeah, well, one time I woke up with a ladybug on my arm! take that, tough guy!

818 MandyManners  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 8:10:43am

re: #789 buzzsawmonkey

It's very good--but it still falls into the historical trap of decreeing Israel a post-Holocaust creation. He does mention Herzl, and the Dreyfus case, but few of his readers, I'll wager, even know what the Dreyfus case was, or that it occurred more than 50 years before Israel's independence, let alone know that the early Zionists, inspired by Herzl, had spent that 50 years building the foundation and infrastructure for the state they were sure would one day become a reality.

Yes, the shock and horror which followed in the wake of the revelation of the Nazi genocide was the catalyst which ultimately caused Israel to exist. But even had the Holocaust not occurred, the state would still have come into being--maybe not as soon, maybe not in the same way, but still it would have come to be. The groundwork had been laid, the infrastructure built, by people who were not about to abandon their goal.

I mention this because that portion of the "State of Israel iceberg" which is below the water, so to speak--out of view because it pre-dates the more obvious drama of the Nazi years and Israel's independence, and is that much farther away from current memory--is essential to realizing that Israel is not merely an act of inadequate reparation by the West that allowed Hitler to come to power. It is much more; it has deeper roots, as a nation, than the Arab nations which surround it, and which were formed by the colonial powers drawing arbitrary lines across the map of the fallen Ottoman Empire in the aftermath of WWI.

Didn't the Rothschilds buy railroad property from the Ottoman Empire?

819 Occasional Reader  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 8:10:47am

re: #793 Ayatollah Ghilmeini

In no more than a few days, Hamas will be compelled to surrender unconditionally.

Inshallah, habibi. I hope you're right; I fear, though, that we'll once again get a "we survived, therefore we won" scenario.

820 Salamantis  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 8:10:51am

re: #812 Occasional Reader

You're the only person I know who walks around carrying a frog gig.

Naah; it was leaning against the porch stoop.

821 aussiemagpie  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 8:10:58am

re: #673 Occasional Reader

And filled with convicts!

/ducks

*WHACK* (thanks Mandy)

822 lawhawk  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 8:11:25am

re: #801 Last Mohican

Hey folks, I was just over at the "Best Middle East or Africa Blog"category of the 2008 Weblog awards. It's turning into a two-blog race between Israellycool and the detestable Juan Cole, whose anti-Israel, anti-American "Informed Comment" is currently in the lead by over 300 votes. You might want to click over there and fire off a vote.

Believe it or not, I think the best in that category is Michael Totten, if only because he's done original reporting no one else in the MSM has even attempted and has gone above and beyond the call of anyone to get information out about the situation in the Iraq and Lebanon. That's not a dig at Aussie Dave and Israellycool either, because I've been splitting my vote between the two - but that's part of the problem...

823 Occasional Reader  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 8:11:27am

re: #807 aussiemagpie

We'd feel quite at home there then...

You'd have to learn Spanish, though.

824 Erik The Red  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 8:11:44am

re: #811 Salamantis

Still another time, I went camping, and like a dumbass, pitched my tent on a mound overlooking a pond. It turned out to be an alligator nest. In the middle of the night, Momma came back, and she was sorely pissed. She rushed in my tent, and I nearly didn't make it out.

That same camping trip, a wild boar treed me for hours before it got tired and left.

Remind me if we ever meet not to go camping/diving/beach holiday/hell to go no where with you. You have some really shit luck.///

825 turn  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 8:11:49am

re: #795 realwest

Sure thing, thanks.

826 Dustyvet  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 8:12:15am

re: #805 realwest

Hi Dusty! Uh - were you gonna e-mail me today?!

Yes, working on it now...

827 Occasional Reader  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 8:12:53am

re: #816 Iron Fist

You can only go so far with a platform that says "We don't suck as badly as the other party does".

Indeed. In this last election, the GOP basically ran John Kerry. "Okay, no one's enthusiastic about him, but at least he's not the other guy!" And that strategy never works.

828 Last Mohican  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 8:13:04am

re: #819 Occasional Reader

Inshallah, habibi. I hope you're right; I fear, though, that we'll once again get a "we survived, therefore we won" scenario.

Or worse. If Israel allows enemy troops from other countries to come in and protect Hamas, as they allowed enemy troops to enter and protect Hizbollah in Lebanon, then they'll lose the ability to defend themselves from terrorist attacks indefinitely.

829 realwest  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 8:13:10am

re: #656 Ford_Prefect
Damn, sinus infections can be nasty -just hope for YOUR sake that she didn't get YOUR cold!
:)
Seriously, hope the doc can fix her up!

830 sngnsgt  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 8:13:38am

re: #731 jcm

So what they're saying is Jimmy Flynt II and Dustin Flynt are producing knockers?

831 Salamantis  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 8:13:40am

re: #803 Ford_Prefect

What are you? Crocodile Dundee?

I'm 53, and I've been a woods puppy since I was a kid. Time in the wilderness helps me reconnect, and recharges my batteries, which get depleted by suburban living.

832 Ford_Prefect  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 8:13:41am

re: #812 Occasional Reader

You're the only person I know who walks around carrying a frog gig.

He's the only person I know that knows what a frog gig is. Come on, the rest of us are just acting like we have a clue.

833 Dustyvet  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 8:13:42am

re: #826 Dustyvet

Yes, working on it now...

Did you want the basic facts of what's going on, and I'll fill in the blanks later?

834 jwb7605  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 8:13:46am

re: #801 Last Mohican

Hey folks, I was just over at the "Best Middle East or Africa Blog"category of the 2008 Weblog awards. It's turning into a two-blog race between Israellycool and the detestable Juan Cole, whose anti-Israel, anti-American "Informed Comment" is currently in the lead by over 300 votes. You might want to click over there and fire off a vote.

This is one of those classic situations where another choice is Michael J. Totten. Add Israellycool and Totten, you have clear winners and the decision on which one is better is a usually tough choice.
Cole is winning because he truly stands alone. A vote for him means you probably think the other sites suck.
... not unlike one of the choices for Best Conservative Blog ...

835 turn  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 8:13:53am

re: #801 Last Mohican

But which one should I vote for?
/
Going to vote now.

836 Occasional Reader  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 8:14:20am

re: #817 Wyatt Earp

Oh yeah, well, one time I woke up with a ladybug on my arm! take that, tough guy!

When I was living in NYC, I once put my bare foot in a sneaker and "found" a cockroach.

Okay, maybe not as macho as all this stuff about pygmy rattlers and black widow spiders, but still... yeeesh.

837 Last Mohican  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 8:14:20am

re: #822 lawhawk

Agreed. I'm a huge fan of Totten. I just woke up today, saw Juan Cole winning, and had yet another one of those sinking-heart moments.

838 rw in san diego  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 8:14:31am

re: #787 acwgusa

My point is that it is not surprising. It's most unfortunate, but hardly surprising and I don't foresee improvements in the near future. I attribute much of today's lack of professionalism to the dumbing down of our education system and inept and unconcerned parenting. While this certainly doesn't apply to all schools and parents, it does apply to too large a percentage of them.

839 CIA Reject  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 8:14:38am

re: #789 buzzsawmonkey

It's very good--but it still falls into the historical trap of decreeing Israel a post-Holocaust creation. He does mention Herzl, and the Dreyfus case, but few of his readers, I'll wager, even know what the Dreyfus case was, or that it occurred more than 50 years before Israel's independence, let alone know that the early Zionists, inspired by Herzl, had spent that 50 years building the foundation and infrastructure for the state they were sure would one day become a reality.

Yes, the shock and horror which followed in the wake of the revelation of the Nazi genocide was the catalyst which ultimately caused Israel to exist. But even had the Holocaust not occurred, the state would still have come into being--maybe not as soon, maybe not in the same way, but still it would have come to be. The groundwork had been laid, the infrastructure built, by people who were not about to abandon their goal.

I mention this because that portion of the "State of Israel iceberg" which is below the water, so to speak--out of view because it pre-dates the more obvious drama of the Nazi years and Israel's independence, and is that much farther away from current memory--is essential to realizing that Israel is not merely an act of inadequate reparation by the West that allowed Hitler to come to power. It is much more; it has deeper roots, as a nation, than the Arab nations which surround it, and which were formed by the colonial powers drawing arbitrary lines across the map of the fallen Ottoman Empire in the aftermath of WWI.

I have a friend who was a history major- he's fond of saying that the world will never be at peace until everything the League of Nations did after WWI is undone...

840 Ford_Prefect  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 8:14:51am

re: #829 realwest

Damn, sinus infections can be nasty -just hope for YOUR sake that she didn't get YOUR cold!
:)
Seriously, hope the doc can fix her up!

No. I got her cold. After I got over the stomach bug.

841 newsjunkie_ky  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 8:14:52am

In two years the liberal House, Senate, White House, and the soon to be ultra liberal Supreme Court can do a lot of damage.

It's not going to be pretty.

842 Harry Tuttle  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 8:14:56am

re: #816 Iron Fist

I'm trying to hold on to hope for the 2010 election. It is way to early to be able to guess as to how that will go. The Republicans need to grow a pair of testicles and start actually fighting for the positions that the claim to represent. First and foremost is curbing the nanny-state overspending that has been the patern of both Democrats and Republicans for decades.

In 1994, America voted a Revolution, and put the Republicans in charge for the first time in a generation. For two or three years, the Republicans acted like they at least knew there was a message in there for them somewhere, but they never acted on the will of the people as expressed by their votes. So as time went on, there seemed to be less and less of a reason to vote for the Republicans.

You can only go so far with a platform that says "We don't suck as badly as the other party does". Obama says that the people wanted "change" and it's true. It is just that the Congress has lower ratings than Bush does, by a considerable margin. And after the 20th the Democrats are going to find that with power comes responsibility. They haven't had to be responsible for squat for most of the last fifteen years.

We have a basically right of center country, or at least we used to have up until now.

But the corruption and media collusion and corporate greed is quickly eroding any chance that true conservatives have. The repubs are just a bunch of worthless hacks (mostly).

I hate to be so damn pessimistic, but hey I was optimistic about Sara Palin and look what that got us.

We are fucked. Period.

843 Occasional Reader  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 8:15:43am

re: #811 Salamantis

Still another time, I went camping, and like a dumbass, pitched my tent on a mound overlooking a pond. It turned out to be an alligator nest. In the middle of the night, Momma came back, and she was sorely pissed. She rushed in my tent, and I nearly didn't make it out.

That same camping trip, a wild boar treed me for hours before it got tired and left.

Sal, I suggest you spend your next vacation at, say, the Four Seasons in Manhattan.

844 realwest  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 8:15:56am

re: #676 Hard Right
Crap! I'd rather NOT see them coming! Brrr!

845 aussiemagpie  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 8:16:07am

re: #763 Hard Right

Have you hugged a brown snake today?
///

LOL! They're very hard to cuddle really...

846 Kenneth  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 8:16:24am

#789 buzzsawmonkey

It always bears repeating: at no time from the Arab conquest of Jerusalem in 630 AD to the creation of modern Israel in 1948, did the Arabs ever use the term "Palestine" nor did they ever consider the Arab people of that land an independent ethnic or national group. Then, after failing to destroy the newly created Jewish state, the Arabs suddenly decide the "Palestinians" are a "national people" in need of their own country. Oh really?

847 albusteve  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 8:16:42am

re: #827 Occasional Reader

Indeed. In this last election, the GOP basically ran John Kerry. "Okay, no one's enthusiastic about him, but at least he's not the other guy!" And that strategy never works.

maybe McCain tossed it...any commitee chairs up for auction?

848 Wyatt Earp  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 8:16:49am

re: #836 Occasional Reader

When I was living in NYC, I once put my bare foot in a sneaker and "found" a cockroach.

Okay, maybe not as macho as all this stuff about pygmy rattlers and black widow spiders, but still... yeeesh.

When I was visiting my friend in Arizona, the first thing he told me was to always wear my shoes in the house. I rarely do that at home, and when I was walking into another room - with only socks on my feet - I just missed stepping on a scorpion. I wore my shows after that.

849 realwest  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 8:16:51am

re: #677 rawmuse
Yeah, but I can't speed think or speed type!
*shakes fist at Ajax*

850 Ben Hur  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 8:16:51am

Top US Islamic Cleric Threatens Destruction of America On Egyptian TV

They're here.

In other news, The Hur happen to catch a Democracy Now! broadcast on public access tv this morning.

They were interviewing the UNWRA spokesman about the UN school/shield.

He said he was, and I quote, "99.999% sure" that there was no firing from or near the school.

He knows this from the "initial investigation yada yada yada" which was word for word what the IDF said yesterday - they loving using their enemies own rhetoric against them.

Of course he wasn't challenged because, well you know.

Show Dem Now pictures of the dead Hamas terrorists inside the building?

Fake. Israel is lying.

Hamas says that two of their "fighters" were "martyred" in the school?

Israel is lying.

Israel is not stopping, so I don't, nor do I ever, give a shit what anybody says.

851 Ford_Prefect  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 8:17:04am

re: #836 Occasional Reader

When I was living in NYC, I once put my bare foot in a sneaker and "found" a cockroach.

Okay, maybe not as macho as all this stuff about pygmy rattlers and black widow spiders, but still... yeeesh.

I was once driving down the road when I felt something on my foot. I pulled over and took off my shoe. There was a big *ssed spider in there. Must have been there when I put the shoe on. Talk about creeping you out.

852 acwgusa  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 8:17:26am

re: #838 rw in san diego

My point is that it is not surprising. It's most unfortunate, but hardly surprising and I don't foresee improvements in the near future. I attribute much of today's lack of professionalism to the dumbing down of our education system and inept and unconcerned parenting. While this certainly doesn't apply to all schools and parents, it does apply to too large a percentage of them.

The really sad thing is, I just turned thirty this last June, and it drives me up the wall with short hand texting. I swear to God, if I actually again hear a co-worker use LOL in a sentence, I am leaving!

853 WriterMom  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 8:17:31am

re: #843 Occasional Reader

Now that's MY idea of camping!

854 Desert Dog  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 8:17:44am

re: #696 rawmuse

Here is how brazen the crooks are getting out my way.

Five weapons have been stolen from locked cruisers parked by the Sheriffs HQ.

Do they call the cops when they are robbed?

855 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 8:18:01am

re: #807 aussiemagpie

We'd feel quite at home there then...

While we don't have quite so many things that can kill you with venom up north, we do have mosquitos as big as small hummingbirds and swarm like angry ants, black flies that will bite you without your even knowing it until you see the rivlet of blood dripping out of your sleeve, wolf packs out in the woods, the occaissional bear, cougars prowing the woods at night, and let's not forget the brown recluses, the black widow spiders, the yellow jackets, and the rattlesnakes.

Then, if you think you've had enough, there's always the winter with temperatures down to negative readings Farenheit with tons (literally) of snow.

856 faraway  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 8:18:32am

re: #812 Occasional Reader

You're the only person I know who walks around carrying a frog gig.

Be careful gigging frogs at night and the eyes seem just a little too far apart.

857 aussiemagpie  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 8:18:44am

re: #766 yochanan

MULTI LEGGED ONES ARE OK
it is the two legged kind that will cause the problems.

Hi, yochanan!

Trouser snakes you mean? Politicians? Yes definitely :-)

858 [deleted]  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 8:18:50am
859 Desert Dog  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 8:19:04am

re: #778 jwb7605

Another finger in the wind moment (over at RedState): Obama backs away from Panetta

That's a mighty big stack of policy

860 newsjunkie_ky  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 8:19:57am
861 realwest  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 8:20:01am

re: #692 jcm
YES! Great post and link, thank you!

862 Kenneth  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 8:20:22am

re: #850 Ben Hur

Please see my #702 & #739 above. Chris Gunness is running cover for Hamas.

863 lawhawk  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 8:20:25am

re: #846 Kenneth

Had an interesting dinner last night; we were at neighbors who are becoming fast friends. We learned that the father of one them was not only an Israeli, but was instrumental in helping build Israel with his bare hands. He rubbed shoulders with all the big figures in Israeli independence, fought alongside them in 1947/48, and through it all thought that there could be peace with the Arabs (never considered them Palestinians); but has had a change of heart within the past few years - probably because of the incessant attacks despite the unilateral disengagement in Gaza and Hamas' dedication to destroying Israel with every opportunity. Fascinating stuff...

864 DeafDog  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 8:20:37am

re: #780 littleO

Nothing but agreement from me.

I'll do what I can to fight the various programs as they come, but the victimhood culture has taken hold and now everyone wants their government handout. The forces will be tough to resist.

I tend to think that War is not in the cards (if you are referring to civil uprising), but the acceleration of inflation seems inevitable. Rationing of 'free' services (like healthcare) will probably happen too. It won't be your father's USA.

865 WriterMom  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 8:20:43am

re: #846 Kenneth

Kenneth, the Jew-haters and "Zionist" haters don't care about facts.

866 faraway  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 8:20:44am

re: #843 Occasional Reader

Sal, I suggest you spend your next vacation at, say, the Four Seasons in Manhattan.

That's even scarier. Lots of freaky critters there.

867 Salamantis  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 8:20:49am

We have Florida panthers (a subspecies of puma/cougar/mountain lion that lives in the swamps), but there aren't many of them left. And we have black bears, but down here they're kinda small (around 200 lbs).

So I didn't bother mentioning them.

868 albusteve  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 8:20:51am

re: #856 faraway

Be careful gigging frogs at night and the eyes seem just a little too far apart.

eating frog legs is almost the most disgusting thing I can think of...

869 Occasional Reader  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 8:21:01am

re: #853 WriterMom

Now that's MY idea of camping!

And one can still tell horror stories, of course. "... and the Concierge had made our dinner reservations for 9:00 instead of 9:30!"

870 Hard Right  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 8:21:14am

re: #768 Wyatt Earp

Michelle Obama has. heh.

That kind of gutter talk will not be protested against. Hehe.

871 Ford_Prefect  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 8:21:17am

re: #860 newsjunkie_ky

dems cave, will seat burris, blago wins this one.

I think the whole thing was nothing more than grandstanding in the first place. They wanted to be able to say that they did something, when all along they knew they were going to let him in. they want that super majority as soon as they can get it.

872 rw in san diego  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 8:21:28am

re: #852 acwgusa

Please stay, you must be a positive influence.

873 realwest  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 8:21:28am

re: #695 yma o hyd
Hi ther {yma} hope you're doing well in spite of the harsh weather - thanks for the great link!

874 Desert Dog  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 8:21:44am

re: #855 Honorary Yooper

While we don't have quite so many things that can kill you with venom up north, we do have mosquitos as big as small hummingbirds and swarm like angry ants, black flies that will bite you without your even knowing it until you see the rivlet of blood dripping out of your sleeve, wolf packs out in the woods, the occaissional bear, cougars prowing the woods at night, and let's not forget the brown recluses, the black widow spiders, the yellow jackets, and the rattlesnakes.

Then, if you think you've had enough, there's always the winter with temperatures down to negative readings Farenheit with tons (literally) of snow.

Lot's of nasty things down here in the desert...rattlers, gila monsters, javalinas, scorpions, spiders, mountain lions, coyotes, bobcats...they are my neighbors. If you leave them alone, they leave you alone...

875 Ben Hur  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 8:21:52am

re: #789 buzzsawmonkey

It's very good--but it still falls into the historical trap of decreeing Israel a post-Holocaust creation.

G-d, THANK YOU FOR WRITING THAT!

I hear,"Israel was born out of the Holocaust" and I scream.

876 Dustyvet  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 8:22:02am

re: #860 newsjunkie_ky

dems cave, will seat burris, blago wins this one.

And the People of the State of Illinois take it right up the backside...again.

877 Occasional Reader  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 8:23:05am

re: #867 Salamantis

We have Florida panthers (a subspecies of puma/cougar/mountain lion that lives in the swamps), but there aren't many of them left. And we have black bears, but down here they're kinda small (around 200 lbs).

So I didn't bother mentioning them.

Where I live, I've got both you and aussiemagpie handily beat in terms of local scary critters.

878 faraway  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 8:23:09am

re: #868 albusteve

eating frog legs is almost the most disgusting thing I can think of...

Frogs, and lizards, taste like chicken.

879 [deleted]  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 8:23:11am
880 jcm  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 8:23:16am

re: #854 Desert Dog

Do they call the cops when they are robbed?

Seattle's Police Chief lost his weapon out of his car awhile back.

881 Desert Dog  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 8:23:21am

re: #868 albusteve

eating frog legs is almost the most disgusting thing I can think of...

Come on Steve! Be a man, eat the reptile at least once. I have had them and while they are not a favorite, they did taste pretty good. Like dark meat chicken.

882 WriterMom  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 8:23:32am

re: #839 CIA Reject

I believe the world needs to humiliate jihad just like WW II was ended-total submission and humiliation-with a collective shove of reformation up the terrorists wazoo and down their throats. Anything less is not going to work.

883 acwgusa  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 8:23:52am

re: #872 rw in san diego

Please stay, you must be a positive influence.

I hope just a little. It's driving me slowly insane. I think CA is cutting mental health benefits as well. Heh.

884 Macker  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 8:24:01am

re: #876 Dustyvet

Good thing I don't live in that particular People's Republic any more.

885 Last Mohican  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 8:24:10am

re: #828 Last Mohican

Uh-oh, it's happening already: AP: Israel conditionally welcomes cease-fire

"Israel welcomes the initiative of the French president and the Egyptian president to bring about a sustainable quiet in the south," [Israeli government spokesman Mark Regev] said.
...
In Turkey, meanwhile, a diplomat said that country will be given the task of constructing an international force for Gaza.

Turkey was only recently a shining example of a moderate, civilized, Muslim democracy, which actively opposed extremism and was actually something of an ally of Israel. Now, it's degenerating into yet another cesspool of violent fanaticism. Putting Turkish troops in Gaza would amount to another example of Israel seizing catastrophic defeat from the jaws of victory, as it did in Lebanon.

886 jwb7605  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 8:24:11am

Here's (IMO) a thought provoking article from Ed Driscoll (via Instapundit)
a snippet:

I think that's right. If the non-political sphere is permanently left-of-center -- the movies, the pop songs, the plays, the sitcoms, the newspapers plus the churches, schools and much else -- it's simply unreasonable to expect people to walk into a polling booth every other November and vote conservative. The culture is where the issues get framed and the boundaries set.
887 Kenneth  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 8:24:17am

re: #863 lawhawk

Sounds like a great man! I think he's right about the current prospects for peace. Call me optimistic, but I still believe real peace will might be possible in about 3 or 4 years generations.

888 WriterMom  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 8:24:22am

re: #875 Ben Hur

Me, too. It's infuriating.

889 jorline  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 8:24:33am

Protester Calls for Jews to 'Go Back to the Oven' at Anti-Israel Demonstration

But some protesters at this rally in Fort Lauderdale, Fla., took their rhetoric a step further, calling for the extermination of Israel — and of Jews.

But as the protest continued and crowds grew, one woman in a hijab began to shout curses and slurs that shocked Jewish activists in the city, which has a sizable Jewish population.

"Go back to the oven," she shouted, calling for the counter-protesters to die in the manner that the Nazis used to exterminate Jews during the Holocaust.

"You need a big oven, that's what you need," she yelled.

And this is why the MSM loves the ROP.
*spit*

890 jcm  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 8:24:33am

re: #858 taxfreekiller

Dallas Jan. 1, 2009 , 12:01 am.
First Birth in County Hospital , Parkland.

Born, male child, mother, 15 years old, father where abouts unknown, 20 year old illegal alien from Mexico.

like that is were we are at

The anchor baby issue needs to be dealt with.

891 rawmuse  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 8:25:19am

re: #831 Salamantis

I'm 53, and I've been a woods puppy since I was a kid. Time in the wilderness helps me reconnect, and recharges my batteries, which get depleted by suburban living.

Ditto that. I only go to official Wilderness Areas.

892 Ford_Prefect  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 8:25:29am

re: #867 Salamantis

We have Florida panthers (a subspecies of puma/cougar/mountain lion that lives in the swamps), but there aren't many of them left. And we have black bears, but down here they're kinda small (around 200 lbs).

So I didn't bother mentioning them.

I work in land surveying, and we often find ourselves in the woods. One time we walked about half a mile into the woods, set up the equipment adn my partner was walking toward our back sight when I looked off to my left. Not more than 150 feet away sat a nice big bear just watching us. Needless to say we quickly picked up our stuff and walked back out.

893 albusteve  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 8:25:45am

re: #874 Desert Dog

Lot's of nasty things down here in the desert...rattlers, gila monsters, javalinas, scorpions, spiders, mountain lions, coyotes, bobcats...they are my neighbors. If you leave them alone, they leave you alone...

NM is teeming with vicious prairie dogs

894 newsjunkie_ky  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 8:25:52am

re: #876 Dustyvet

And the People of the State of Illinois take it right up the backside...again.


IL must like it 'up the backside' or they would stop voting in the slimes.

895 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 8:26:17am

Well, I see a whole bunch of indexes are done this morning... Job, future this, future that, gold, budgets... I certainly glad to see that all that bailout money is doing good for someone, although I can't tell who those someone's are.

Hmmm... I wonder.

[Link: money.cnn.com...]

Personally, 3-4 months later, if anyone can still tell me the bailouts are working and were a good idea, I have some great stock to sell you in some Colorado gold mines.

896 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 8:26:25am

re: #891 rawmuse

Ditto that. I only go to official Wilderness Areas.

Outside is the reason that we invented inside.

Just sayin.

897 Occasional Reader  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 8:27:24am

re: #859 Desert Dog

That's a mighty big stack of policy

It just occurred to me; I'll become an avid Obama supporter if, upon giving his first Inaugural Address, he walks up to the podium and says, "excuse me, while I whip this out", before pulling out his speech.

If he does that, I'll vote for him in 2012.

(Well, not really)

898 albusteve  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 8:27:32am

re: #881 Desert Dog

Come on Steve! Be a man, eat the reptile at least once. I have had them and while they are not a favorite, they did taste pretty good. Like dark meat chicken.

I have eaten them a coupla times...we used to get em at night...frog boppin...no way dude...alligator tail is delicious tho

899 Last Mohican  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 8:27:38am

re: #890 jcm

The anchor baby issue needs to be dealt with.

I agree. It's one of the most important political problems of the next century. But it won't be dealt with. Except if by "dealt with" you mean "vigorously defended and protected by the Democratic party that profits from it."

900 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 8:27:40am

re: #893 albusteve

NM is teeming with vicious prairie dogs

The People's Republic of Boulder keeps shipping them down to you.

901 realwest  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 8:27:42am

re: #729 lawhawk
Ah, a tip here, please. Where are all those folks going to when they flee New Jersey?!

902 MandyManners  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 8:27:43am

re: #896 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Outside is the reason that we invented inside.

Just sayin.

Roughing it for me involves staying someplace that doesn't have 24-hour room service.

903 [deleted]  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 8:27:53am
904 rawmuse  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 8:27:54am

re: #896 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

What, do you want to die as old man in your bed or something?

905 CIA Reject  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 8:27:59am

re: #882 WriterMom

I believe the world needs to humiliate jihad just like WW II was ended-total submission and humiliation-with a collective shove of reformation up the terrorists wazoo and down their throats. Anything less is not going to work.

Agree 100%- to paraphrase General W.T. Sherman: "War is the solution our enemy has chosen and I say we give him all that he can stand."

There was a time when America actually thought that way- back when we were a great nation...

906 Ford_Prefect  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 8:28:24am

re: #878 faraway

Frogs, and lizards, taste like chicken.

Cannibal!

907 Last Mohican  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 8:29:16am

re: #897 Occasional Reader

...he walks up to the podium and says, "excuse me, while I whip this out", before pulling out his speech.

Folks, click the link before you jump to any conclusions. It's safe for work!

908 jaunte  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 8:29:53am

I enjoy wilderness camping. It makes me feel so much better about living in a house.

909 faraway  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 8:29:55am

re: #906 Ford_Prefect

Cannibal!

I just eat banned lizards.

910 lawhawk  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 8:29:58am

re: #901 realwest

I wish I could answer that with hard evidence, but it seems quite a few are heading to the Carolinas or Florida or Arizona.

911 realwest  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 8:30:12am

re: #759 jorline
Hey good morning jorline! How are ya today?

912 Ford_Prefect  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 8:30:41am

re: #902 MandyManners

Roughing it for me involves staying someplace that doesn't have 24-hour room service.

I used to date a woman who said that se would be happy to go camping with me, as long as there was somewhere to plug in her hair dryer.

913 albusteve  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 8:30:43am

re: #900 Walter L. Newton

The People's Republic of Boulder keeps shipping them down to you.

OMG! they dig HOLES!

914 Ben Hur  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 8:31:25am

re: #846 Kenneth

#789 buzzsawmonkey

It always bears repeating: at no time from the Arab conquest of Jerusalem in 630 AD to the creation of modern Israel in 1948, did the Arabs ever use the term "Palestine" nor did they ever consider the Arab people of that land an independent ethnic or national group. Then, after failing to destroy the newly created Jewish state, the Arabs suddenly decide the "Palestinians" are a "national people" in need of their own country. Oh really?

Absolutley correct.

In pre-State Israel, the term "Palestinian" was EXCLUSIVELY used to refer to JEWS.

The Europeans, Americans, the ruling British all referred to the Jews in mandatory Palestine as "Palestinians."

The Jerusalem Post was the "Palestine Post" before Israel declared independence.

Arabs were "Arabs."

The first thing the PLO charter does is establish that the Arab "Palestinians" are Arabs, and inseparable from the pan-Arabist UMMAH.

916 jwb7605  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 8:31:47am

re: #900 Walter L. Newton

The People's Republic of Boulder keeps shipping them down to you.

Boulder succeeded. At one time they were actively seeking to getting them added to the endangered species list.
Thankfully, prairie dogs are now merely a protected species.
Another 50 or 60 million, and Boulder will truly see the fruits of their success.

917 [deleted]  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 8:31:52am
918 DeafDog  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 8:32:05am

re: #822 lawhawk


I voted Totten, too, for the same reasons.

His originally reporting (along with Yon's) was a god-send wheen the MSM was just reporting their 'defeat' narrative.

919 littleO  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 8:32:06am

re: #784 Honorary Yooper


Supply side econ., in the eighties at least, was merely a response to the 'legacy' cost which had been hoisted upon the governments budget. Both state and federal. Socialism, once enacted, is politically impossible to stop. Supply-side economics was devised to create enough prosperity to pay the bills.
Prices have continued their unnerving rise for the past decades. With wages feebly trying to keep up.
Capilalism is dying a slow death. Kept alive for sentimental and vote getting purposes.

920 Ford_Prefect  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 8:32:33am

re: #909 faraway

I just eat banned lizards.

Heads up, Dorian!

921 VegasRick  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 8:32:42am

re: #893 albusteve

NM is teeming with vicious prairie dogs

Here in Vegas we get swarmed with vicious snowbirds.

922 aussiemagpie  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 8:32:45am

re: #816 Iron Fist

I'm trying to hold on to hope for the 2010 election. It is way to early to be able to guess as to how that will go. The Republicans need to grow a pair of testicles and start actually fighting for the positions that the claim to represent. First and foremost is curbing the nanny-state overspending that has been the patern of both Democrats and Republicans for decades.

In 1994, America voted a Revolution, and put the Republicans in charge for the first time in a generation. For two or three years, the Republicans acted like they at least knew there was a message in there for them somewhere, but they never acted on the will of the people as expressed by their votes. So as time went on, there seemed to be less and less of a reason to vote for the Republicans.

You can only go so far with a platform that says "We don't suck as badly as the other party does". Obama says that the people wanted "change" and it's true. It is just that the Congress has lower ratings than Bush does, by a considerable margin. And after the 20th the Democrats are going to find that with power comes responsibility. They haven't had to be responsible for squat for most of the last fifteen years.

This parallels our experience - Mr Rudd's party was elected because a few people thought it was time for change

Mr Rudd spent the election campaign promising the world, while copying many of the Liberal party policies

And our conservatives have also lost their way, and have presented themselves as much the same as the Labor Goverment, but with a few minor differences which are unnoticed by the voting public

Our MSM fail to criticise this Government and when they do (rarely) it's a little slap over the knuckles with a feather - their main aim is to keep on and on about the Opposition
It's truly depressing to see this happen here

923 Occasional Reader  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 8:33:13am

re: #914 Ben Hur

In pre-State Israel, the term "Palestinian" was EXCLUSIVELY used to refer to JEWS.

Didn't Golda Meir enjoy displaying her old passport that identified her as a "Palestinian"?

924 jcm  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 8:33:23am

re: #899 Last Mohican

I agree. It's one of the most important political problems of the next century. But it won't be dealt with. Except if by "dealt with" you mean "vigorously defended and protected by the Democratic party that profits from it."

I don't see the immigration issues as complex as folks make it out to be.
Like so many things, it's a matter of political will.

Anchor babies is one item. Only those children born to those in the country legally are citizens.
Make it easy for employers to check on the status of applicants. The hold employers accountable for hiring without doing the proper checks.
No ID, drivers licenses, bank accounts, auto, real estate, or other business transactions with out proper ID.

Those things would make it difficult for illegals to operate, get work and do business.

925 yma o hyd  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 8:33:23am

re: #789 buzzsawmonkey

You are right with your critique, I have no quibble with that at all - and would even go further, to include the ethnic cleansing of the Jews by various Roman 'Imperators' - which ended utlimately in the total destruction of Jerusalem, and the building of a Roman sttlemen in its place, called 'Aeolia Capitolina' - and the whole region was given the name 'Palestinia' by these Roman Caesars.
Its also worth remembering that not all Jews went into the diaspora, some did cling on, as attested in reports from the Crusades.

However, in fairness to Finkelstein one's got to remember that he has limited space, writes for an audience which can barely remember Winston Churchill, and his line of argument is based on the 'living memory' of his relatives.
Also - a new TV production of Anne Frank's Diary will be broadcast here shortly, people ahve seen the trailers for this since the beginning of the year.

But yes, I agree with the points you raise!

926 albusteve  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 8:34:00am

re: #921 VegasRick

Here in Vegas we get swarmed with vicious snowbirds.

two words...rev anew

927 turn  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 8:34:23am

re: #909 faraway

I just eat banned lizards.

Canned lizards aren't that bad either, and they keep on the shelf too.

928 yochanan  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 8:34:26am

re: #851 Ford_Prefect

I was once driving down the road when I felt something on my foot. I pulled over and took off my shoe. There was a big *ssed spider in there. Must have been there when I put the shoe on. Talk about creeping you out.

when i was a kid i tripped over a snake that had the following color red, yellow and black, did not stay around to see which way the colors went.

one kind is the most poisonous in America the other is a rat snake.

929 aussiemagpie  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 8:34:32am

re: #823 Occasional Reader

You'd have to learn Spanish, though.

Aussie lingo would do wouldn't it?

930 Nevergiveup  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 8:34:52am

Defense sources: Even if Hamas agrees to truce, its armed wing may resist

By Amos Harel, Haaretz Correspondent and News Agencies

Tags: Hamas, Syria, Gaza

Israel's defense establishment believes that Hamas' armed wing is likely to resist any cease-fire agreement over the embattled Gaza Strip, regardless of what the Islamist group's political leadership decides.


[Link: www.haaretz.com...]

Enough of this Political/Military Bullshit. Do you agree to disarm and cease firing forever-Yes or No. And we all know the answer to that. Well at least we do here.

931 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 8:34:55am

re: #913 albusteve

OMG! they dig HOLES!

I don't know if your (and other Lizards) have heard this, but of course, prairie dogs can be a large problem for an urban area.

Here in Colorado, we have animal rights groups that try to stop land owners from cleaning off their land of prairie dogs.

So, there are smart businessmen who have created a way to get the prairie dogs without killing them.

Giant prairie dog vacuums. Really, vacuum them up into a big bin and ship them to another state.

Idiots. They are rodents, who carry sickness, ruin land with miles of tunnels, destroy crops etc.

932 Hard Right  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 8:35:06am

re: #790 Salamantis

Still another time, I was leaving the house, and my mother came out behind me waving my wallet. When I looked back, I noticed a pygmy rattler in the bush beside her head. Luckily, that same aluminum frog gig was ready to hand. I caught the snake in the air in mid strike and killed it. It would have hit her in the temple.

Where do you live? I ask so I won't move there. ;)

933 Nevergiveup  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 8:35:11am

re: #917 Iron Fist

More on gun control and the detestible Eric Holder. It's World Net Daily, but they're pretty good on covering the gun issue. The Republicans should fillibuster that motherfucker. He is so unfit for office.

So is Panetta

934 Occasional Reader  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 8:35:26am

re: #917 Iron Fist

More on gun control and the detestible Eric Holder. It's World Net Daily, but they're pretty good on covering the gun issue. The Republicans should fillibuster that motherfucker. He is so unfit for office.

From your link:

"In plain English," Korwin said, "This means that any firearm ever obtained by federal officers or the military is not suitable for the public.

Since both my shotgun and my handgun have been adopted by the USMC...

935 yma o hyd  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 8:35:41am

re: #801 Last Mohican

Hey folks, I was just over at the "Best Middle East or Africa Blog"category of the 2008 Weblog awards. It's turning into a two-blog race between Israellycool and the detestable Juan Cole, whose anti-Israel, anti-American "Informed Comment" is currently in the lead by over 300 votes. You might want to click over there and fire off a vote.

Whaddaya mean, 'you might want to vote' - heh, every Lizard ought to go and vote right now for Israellycool, as a matter of Lizardian obligation!

936 Ford_Prefect  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 8:35:42am

re: #928 yochanan

when i was a kid i tripped over a snake that had the following color red, yellow and black, did not stay around to see which way the colors went.

one kind is the most poisonous in America the other is a rat snake.

Does it look like Blago?

937 realwest  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 8:35:44am

re: #778 jwb7605
Ya know, I never thought very highly of Obama to begin with due to his lack of experience, stupid positions on just about everything, but figured he'd maybe make it up by surrounding himself with experts in every field. Those hopes were still there after Gates. Now, with Rahm Emmanuel, Bill Richardson, this non-intellenge qualfied Panetta, I'm thinking Obama might just be plain, old fashioned
STUPID.

938 VegasRick  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 8:35:47am

re: #926 albusteve

two words...rev anew

We deal with it in our own way. ;)

939 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 8:35:50am

re: #889 jorline

Protester Calls for Jews to 'Go Back to the Oven' at Anti-Israel Demonstration

And this is why the MSM loves the ROP.
*spit*

The good news is that IDF is proving that will never go into ovens or gas chambers again. Memo to Islamist Bitch: The Jews of Israel are your Dhimmis no longer. Deal with it.

940 [deleted]  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 8:36:00am
941 jorline  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 8:36:57am

re: #911 realwest

Hey good morning jorline! How are ya today?

Good morning, RW. You owe me an email...updates needed.

942 Kenneth  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 8:37:11am

re: #865 WriterMom

Kenneth, the Jew-haters and "Zionist" haters don't care about facts.

I know. A lefty family member said to me a few days ago, "All this can be solved if the Iranians just hurry up an nuke Israel." I was shocked and horrified. I pointed out that "the final solution was tried before, & that the Arabs have for the past 60 years been trying to destroy Israel and kill all the Jews. Yet for some reason the Israelis, arrogant Joos that they are, refuse to lay down and be slaughtered. There will be no second holocaust. If Iran were to fire a missile at Israel, then Israel would retaliate with 50 missiles of her own." She then said, "Well there's no proof the Iranians are even building a bomb, it's all more lies from Bush."

How can a rational brain hold those two contradictory ideas? There you have it: a leftist will simultaneously wish for a second holocaust while denying it will happen. Hatred invites evil which destroys minds & souls.

And I am still sickened & appalled by the revelation of the true character of this person I have known and loved for 25 years.

943 jwb7605  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 8:37:33am

re: #851 Ford_Prefect

I was once driving down the road when I felt something on my foot. I pulled over and took off my shoe. There was a big *ssed spider in there. Must have been there when I put the shoe on. Talk about creeping you out.

I was playing ball (about 9 years old), went for a "fly ball", and stepped in the middle of a coiled garter snake.

Ended up with a freaked out garter snake wrapped around my ankle, and did not make the catch.

It was one of those poisonous garter snakes.

944 Ford_Prefect  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 8:37:36am

re: #935 yma o hyd

Whaddaya mean, 'you might want to vote' - heh, every Lizard ought to go and vote right now for Israellycool, as a matter of Lizardian obligation!

Done.

945 Occasional Reader  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 8:38:07am

re: #929 aussiemagpie

Aussie lingo would do wouldn't it?

"Oye, mate, throw another empanada on the barbie..."

Well, it might work.

946 littleO  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 8:38:10am

re: #811 Salamantis

" When you can snatch the pebble from my hand grasshopper, it will be time for you to go."

947 aggieann  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 8:38:34am

I'm really worried about what the democrats are going to do on gun control over the next two years. I don't guess I'm alone in that.

My husband, a firearms dealer, thinks Obama will spend his first four years focusing only on getting re-elected. It's the second four years, God forbid, that we have to worry about.

948 Desert Dog  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 8:38:35am

re: #893 albusteve

NM is teeming with vicious prairie dogs

I miss those varmits...not many of those down here...we have scrawny looking squirrels, but no 'dogs'. I remember as a kid growing up in Aurora, Colorado, a home builder wanted to clear a field of prairie dogs before they started building new homes. So, we watched as guy in a truck came out and "vacuumed" the field with a hose. He literally sucked the little furbies out of the ground and then drove off...Here's a video showing a similar operation. Every time I hear "Prairie Dogs" I think of that day...too funny

949 newsjunkie_ky  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 8:38:40am

re: #915 Bubblehead II

Have they?

But a spokesman for Reid denied the report to FOX News, saying, "There are various options on the table."

"There will be no white smoke today," Reid spokesman Rodell Mollineau told FOX News when asked if Burris would be named the junior senator from Illinois on Wednesday.


Hope they keep the squabble going, just reinforces the idiocy that is the democrat party.

950 Ford_Prefect  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 8:39:08am

re: #943 jwb7605

I was playing ball (about 9 years old), went for a "fly ball", and stepped in the middle of a coiled garter snake.

Ended up with a freaked out garter snake wrapped around my ankle, and did not make the catch.

It was one of those poisonous garter snakes.

Wuss.

/kidding

951 tackle  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 8:39:14am

re: #937 realwest

I'm also baffled at his appointments. They smack of both weakness and arrogance. And a CNN doctor for Surgeon General?

952 turn  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 8:39:19am

re: #918 DeafDog

I voted Totten, too, for the same reasons.

His originally reporting (along with Yon's) was a god-send wheen the MSM was just reporting their 'defeat' narrative.

I must admit, when I got to the poll and saw Totten was on it, I clicked there. No offense IC, his Iraq war coverage gave me hope to see it through.

953 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 8:39:30am

Radio talk show right now, Denver, a caller, Mohammad, say just because Hamas has the destruction of Israel in it's charter, they don't really mean it.

Glad he cleared that up.

954 aussiemagpie  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 8:39:36am

re: #855 Honorary Yooper

While we don't have quite so many things that can kill you with venom up north, we do have mosquitos as big as small hummingbirds and swarm like angry ants, black flies that will bite you without your even knowing it until you see the rivlet of blood dripping out of your sleeve, wolf packs out in the woods, the occaissional bear, cougars prowing the woods at night, and let's not forget the brown recluses, the black widow spiders, the yellow jackets, and the rattlesnakes.

Then, if you think you've had enough, there's always the winter with temperatures down to negative readings Farenheit with tons (literally) of snow.

LOL! You make it sound so irresistible - I know, you write for Lonely Planet!

955 Occasional Reader  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 8:39:43am

re: #942 Kenneth

A lefty family member said to me a few days ago, "All this can be solved if the Iranians just hurry up an nuke Israel."

Kenneth, I am so sorry for you. Really. I have lefty family members, but have never had to deal with anything nearly that bad.

956 FrogMarch  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 8:39:50am

re: #931 Walter L. Newton

Prairie Dogs are not all bad.

Why are prairie dogs important?

Aside from the argument that all life is precious, the prairie dog is a recognized keystone (or integral) species of the short -grass prairie ecosystem. They contribute to the lives of the other mammals, birds, reptiles, and insects of the prairie, by providing habitat and food. Abandoned burrows are frequently used as homes by burrowing owls, white-tailed rabbits, badgers, weasels, snakes, and even foxes. Prairie dogs' churning activities aerate the soil to allow for more water penetration, while their nitrogen-rich dung improves the quality of the soil and surrounding vegetation. As a prey base, the prairie dog supports a wide variety of species. The swift fox, the coyote, weasels, snakes, hawks, eagles, and the endangered black-footed ferret are just a few of the predators who rely on prairie dogs for food.

957 albusteve  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 8:39:54am

re: #931 Walter L. Newton

I don't know if your (and other Lizards) have heard this, but of course, prairie dogs can be a large problem for an urban area.

Here in Colorado, we have animal rights groups that try to stop land owners from cleaning off their land of prairie dogs.

So, there are smart businessmen who have created a way to get the prairie dogs without killing them.

Giant prairie dog vacuums. Really, vacuum them up into a big bin and ship them to another state.

Idiots. They are rodents, who carry sickness, ruin land with miles of tunnels, destroy crops etc.

once in a while you can see them here in ABQ living along a boulevard or an empty patch somewhere...no problem...when they become a problem kill them...I do think there should be some consideration for the large colonies further east and up your way out on the flatlands...if they can be protected then I'm good with that...they're cute Walter

958 realwest  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 8:40:18am

re: #790 Salamantis
Wow, a a pygmy rattler was going to bite her in the head?! Don't they usually go for lower body parts like legs and feet (looking for football helmet as he types this one-handed)?

959 bosforus  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 8:40:31am

re: #778 jwb7605

Another finger in the wind moment (over at RedState): Obama backs away from Panetta

By knowingly making horrible decisions he can take the criticism and use it later as proof that he "listens to the other side".

960 Neo Con since 9-11  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 8:40:32am

re: #846 Kenneth

#789 buzzsawmonkey

It always bears repeating: at no time from the Arab conquest of Jerusalem in 630 AD to the creation of modern Israel in 1948, did the Arabs ever use the term "Palestine" nor did they ever consider the Arab people of that land an independent ethnic or national group. Then, after failing to destroy the newly created Jewish state, the Arabs suddenly decide the "Palestinians" are a "national people" in need of their own country. Oh really?


When bears start repeating that I'll start going to my local zoo.Till then it does bare repeating.

961 lifeofthemind  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 8:40:44am

re: #942 Kenneth

Good morning
Were your next words
1) Goodbye? or 2) Get out of my house?

962 jorline  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 8:40:55am

re: #939 Dark_Falcon

The good news is that IDF is proving that will never go into ovens or gas chambers again. Memo to Islamist Bitch: The Jews of Israel are your Dhimmis no longer. Deal with it.

Well said, Dark.

The ROP is showing their hand more and more. It's not about peace and it's not about a Palestinian homeland...just the destruction of Israel.

It's all a shell game!

963 jwb7605  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 8:41:37am

re: #937 realwest

Ya know, I never thought very highly of Obama to begin with due to his lack of experience, stupid positions on just about everything, but figured he'd maybe make it up by surrounding himself with experts in every field. Those hopes were still there after Gates. Now, with Rahm Emmanuel, Bill Richardson, this non-intellenge qualfied Panetta, I'm thinking Obama might just be plain, old fashioned
STUPID.

Obama is surrounding himself with experts in every field. They're just not experts in the field Obama selects them for.

Next election buzzword motto: "It's the hope and change, stupid".

964 Hard Right  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 8:41:46am

re: #948 Desert Dog

I miss those varmits...not many of those down here...we have scrawny looking squirrels, but no 'dogs'. I remember as a kid growing up in Aurora, Colorado, a home builder wanted to clear a field of prairie dogs before they started building new homes. So, we watched as guy in a truck came out and "vacuumed" the field with a hose. He literally sucked the little furbies out of the ground and then drove off...Here's a video showing a similar operation. Every time I hear "Prairie Dogs" I think of that day...too funny

They sell them in Japan as pets.

965 Chicken Kiev  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 8:41:50am

A faux conservative pundit who gained international fame by telling the MSM that Sarah Palin didn't know Africa was a continent and that John McCain was having an affair with Michelle Malkin has just gotten a book deal. Martin Eisenstadt is a creation of two filmmakers but apparently many idiots thought he was an actual McCain campaign official. This hoaxster is now being rewarded handsomely for helping to sink McCain/Palin and the conservative movement.

966 tackle  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 8:41:52am

re: #915 Bubblehead II

Fox is reporting that the senate will vote on Burris. Why is it the Senate's decision? Don't we have rules and laws to determine this?

967 yochanan  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 8:41:56am

re: #923 Occasional Reader

Didn't Golda Meir enjoy displaying her old passport that identified her as a "Palestinian"?

all of the British mandate stuff had it in three Lang. English, Arabic and Hebrew BUT ONLY IN THE HEBREW did it have the abbreviations in Hebrew of 'eratz yisroel' following the Hebrew for Palestine.

968 formercorpsman  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 8:42:27am

McKinsey's Public Sector Practice+World Islamic Banking Conference

969 Nevergiveup  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 8:42:27am

re: #940 buzzsawmonkey

Pretty good synapse. And one of the important points is that the poor Arabs who lived in "Palestine" did NOT own the land they lived on and were used by rich Arabs from afar as they still are today. The more things change the more they stay the same.

970 Ford_Prefect  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 8:42:28am

re: #958 realwest

Wow, a a pygmy rattler was going to bite her in the head?! Don't they usually go for lower body parts like legs and feet (looking for football helmet as he types this one-handed)?

Put down the helmet , real. You are far enough behind as it is.

I will read your response after lunch. /

971 yma o hyd  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 8:42:29am

re: #873 realwest

Hi ther {yma} hope you're doing well in spite of the harsh weather - thanks for the great link!

Hiya {rw]!

Picked up another cold - must be virus # 167 or so ...
Dunno how long I'll be able to keep out of bed, its just that I find creeping into bed feeling miserable has to be the last resort!
I hate wimping out!

972 aussiemagpie  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 8:42:47am

re: #877 Occasional Reader

Where I live, I've got both you and aussiemagpie handily beat in terms of local scary critters.

I give up - can't beat those :-)

973 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 8:42:48am

re: #956 FrogMarch

Prairie Dogs are not all bad.

Why are prairie dogs important?

Not when they are living in backyards in downtown Boulder. In Boulder, they don't want anyone to harm a single hair on their furry little heads. There's a difference between wholesale killing of them versus getting them out of dense urban areas.

974 [deleted]  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 8:42:50am
975 realwest  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 8:43:03am

re: #801 Last Mohican
Crap - sorry about that but I've already voted for Michael Totten.

976 badger1970  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 8:43:07am

re: #931 Walter L. Newton

No way! I'm laughing at that and wonder if Joel Hodsgen got any royalty from the idea. Whoa, doggie- Tom Servo.

977 CIA Reject  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 8:43:32am

re: #953 Walter L. Newton

Radio talk show right now, Denver, a caller, Mohammad, say just because Hamas has the destruction of Israel in it's charter, they don't really mean it.

Glad he cleared that up.

Did the host ask Mohammad what other things does hamas say that they don't really mean?

/I could never deal with these people...

978 Last Mohican  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 8:43:34am

re: #975 realwest

A very deserving candidate, for sure. And there are still a few days of voting left, right?

979 jwb7605  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 8:43:56am

re: #957 albusteve

once in a while you can see them here in ABQ living along a boulevard or an empty patch somewhere...no problem...when they become a problem kill them...I do think there should be some consideration for the large colonies further east and up your way out on the flatlands...if they can be protected then I'm good with that...they're cute Walter

Here (4 miles east of Boulder in Louisville), our city plans out development strategy based on Prairie dog migration patterns.

The number of the critters remains about constant, and you can see colony die-off and re-building patterns from year to year.

980 Occasional Reader  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 8:43:58am

re: #954 aussiemagpie

LOL! You make it sound so irresistible - I know, you write for Lonely Planet!

Ah, "Lonely Planet". The folks who insist on mixing in left-wing politics with their travel reviews. Just one example; in the Lonely Planet Argentina volume, a review on the "Museo de Armas" (Weapons Museum) in Buenos Aires: "Outside of George Bush's imagination, you will never see such an impressive display of weapons of mass destruction."

I've dropped them and switched to Frommer's.

981 albusteve  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 8:44:08am

re: #948 Desert Dog

I miss those varmits...not many of those down here...we have scrawny looking squirrels, but no 'dogs'. I remember as a kid growing up in Aurora, Colorado, a home builder wanted to clear a field of prairie dogs before they started building new homes. So, we watched as guy in a truck came out and "vacuumed" the field with a hose. He literally sucked the little furbies out of the ground and then drove off...Here's a video showing a similar operation. Every time I hear "Prairie Dogs" I think of that day...too funny

I buil houses in Aurora from 72 to 80...first time I ever saw them or their little towns...being from the midwest I was fascinated...still am...people down here go out on the far mesas and use them for target practice which I think is rather neanderthal myself

982 bellamags  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 8:44:15am

re: #970 Ford_Prefect

Hey Ford! Howz it goin?

983 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 8:44:48am

re: #962 jorline

Well said, Dark.

The ROP is showing their hand more and more. It's not about peace and it's not about a Palestinian homeland...just the destruction of Israel.

It's all a shell game!

Thank you. I did make an error though, the post should have read:

The good news is that IDF is proving that Jews will never go into ovens or gas chambers again. Memo to Islamist Bitch: The Jews of Israel are your Dhimmis no longer. Deal with it.

984 lawhawk  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 8:44:57am

Photo of the morning - courtesy of demonstrations in India. "Vacate all territories of Palestine and Syria Forcibly Grabbed By Israel in 1967"

Would that be West Bank and Gaza? Gaza isn't occupied by Israel, until Hamas kept breaking its 6-month ceasefire and increased the number of attacks on Israel until Israel had to respond as any nation would.

India doesn't tolerate rocket attacks across the Line of Control from Pakistan, so why should Israel? Syria and Egypt kept attacking Israel and the blockade of the Strait of Tiran was an act of war; Israel caught the Egyptians and Syrians on the ground before they could launch their war against Israel. Both lost the war; tried to beat Israel again in 1973, and lost - again.

985 Nevergiveup  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 8:44:59am

re: #951 tackle

I'm also baffled at his appointments. They smack of both weakness and arrogance. And a CNN doctor for Surgeon General?

I am not so sure he is qualified for the job . See :

[Link: michellemalkin.com...]

But as M Malkin points out he did work diligently to save our Military personel when he was embedded with them, so I can't get to worked up about this.

986 Spare O'Lake  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 8:45:02am
"Arabic media, JUST LIKE THE FUCKING WESTERN MSM, is far more vocal and critical of Israel than the Arab regimes".
[Link: media.themedialine.org...]


Fixed it for the assholes.

987 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 8:45:06am

BBIAW - got to run across the street to Walgreens to get some quarters for the laundry (anyone want to do my laundry?)... and then throw some in the machines. Eat a troll for me while I'm gone.

988 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 8:45:08am

re: #953 Walter L. Newton

Radio talk show right now, Denver, a caller, Mohammad, say just because Hamas has the destruction of Israel in it's charter, they don't really mean it.

Glad he cleared that up.

"We say 'love your brother.' We don't literally say that - we don't literally mean it."
/Spinal Tap

989 yma o hyd  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 8:45:32am

re: #885 Last Mohican

The israeli Goverment knows that talking about talks is a nice, fluffy egsture - it does not mean they're going to stop their war on Hamas immediately, and it puts the ball into the court of Hamas - who is, iirc, still rejecting any cease-fire.

While they talk about cease-fires, the World can see how reasonable Israel is - and the fighting will not stop until the talking is over. And that, I'm sure will take quite a while!

990 _RememberTonyC  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 8:45:42am

sometimes kids get it right, even in a hellhole like gaza!

[Link: www.worldnetdaily.com...]

isn't it funny how you never hear stories like this in the mainstream media?

991 jcm  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 8:45:56am

re: #917 Iron Fist

More on gun control and the detestible Eric Holder. It's World Net Daily, but they're pretty good on covering the gun issue. The Republicans should fillibuster that motherfucker. He is so unfit for office.

to add to the list of guns banned to the public any "semiautomatic rifle or shotgun originally designed for military or law enforcement use, or a firearm based on the design of such a firearm, that is not particularly suitable for sporting purposes, as determined by the Attorney General."

Say good by semi-autos, long or hand.
Say good by to bolt action, that was a military design.
Lever action might survive.

AG Holder would "determine" on the rest.

"Before a standing army can rule, the people must be disarmed; as they are in almost every kingdom of Europe. The supreme power in America cannot enforce unjust laws by the sword; because the whole body of the people are armed, and constitute a force superior to any bands of regular troops that can be, on any pretense, raised in the United States"
(Noah Webster in `An Examination into the Leading Principles of the Federal Constitution', 1787, a pamphlet aimed at swaying Pennsylvania toward ratification, in Paul Ford, ed., Pamphlets on the Constitution of the United States, at 56(New York, 1888))

992 Nevergiveup  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 8:46:20am

Obama arriving at WH. Oh G-D save us!

993 jorline  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 8:46:33am

re: #967 yochanan

all of the British mandate stuff had it in three Lang. English, Arabic and Hebrew BUT ONLY IN THE HEBREW did it have the abbreviations in Hebrew of 'eratz yisroel' following the Hebrew for Palestine.

Hey, Yoshanan.

I finally figured out why you nic showed up as buchanan the other day. I spell checked a word and wasn't paying attention when it hit your nic...I just hit replace. My bad and watching that in the future...lol

994 Ford_Prefect  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 8:46:40am

re: #982 bellamags

Hey Ford! Howz it goin?

Morning, bella. Well, thank you. I am home today due to the icy roads up here in CT. And you?

995 Rancher  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 8:46:49am

re: #966 tackle

Fox is reporting that the senate will vote on Burris. Why is it the Senate's decision? Don't we have rules and laws to determine this?


They don't have the right to refuse him if he meets the qualifications. 1) each senator must be at least 30 years old, 2) must have been a citizen of the United States for at least the past nine years, and 3) must be (at the time of the election) an inhabitant of the state they seek to represent.

996 VegasRick  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 8:47:03am

re: #977 CIA Reject

Did the host ask Mohammad what other things does hamas say that they don't really mean?

/I could never deal with these people...

MoHamHead said that they don't really fuck goats, they just do a lot of heavy petting.

997 realwest  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 8:47:17am

re: #838 rw in san diego
Hi ya rw! "inept and unconcerned parenting" is, I think, the bigger problem by far.

998 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 8:47:33am

re: #904 rawmuse

What, do you want to die as old man in your bed or something?

You forgot fat.

999 Nevergiveup  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 8:47:46am

re: #995 Rancher

They don't have the right to refuse him if he meets the qualifications. 1) each senator must be at least 30 years old, 2) must have been a citizen of the United States for at least the past nine years, and 3) must be (at the time of the election) an inhabitant of the state they seek to represent.

I think it's a "graceful" way out for Reid and the Senate. He will get in.

1000 jcm  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 8:48:15am

Gotta run...

1001 Last Mohican  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 8:48:21am

re: #989 yma o hyd

I hope you're right. But that's what I thought was going on in Lebanon, right before Israel announced its unexpected surrender.

1002 [deleted]  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 8:48:22am
1003 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 8:48:32am

re: #996 VegasRick

MoHamHead said that they don't really fuck goats, they just do a lot of heavy petting.

I think he was kidding.

1004 WriterMom  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 8:48:32am

re: #942 Kenneth

That's horrible. I am so sorry that this person is so hateful and related to you. Just awful.

{kenneth}

But it's better for you to know. It's better for us all to know.

1005 FrogMarch  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 8:48:36am

re: #973 Walter L. Newton

Not when they are living in backyards in downtown Boulder. In Boulder, they don't want anyone to harm a single hair on their furry little heads. There's a difference between wholesale killing of them versus getting them out of dense urban areas.

We do hold the Prairie dog in very high esteem here in Boulder. But we do have to move and kill too.

[Link: www.dailycamera.com...]

At the new bridge over Foothills & Arapahoe - you will notice Prairie Dog Art panels.

1006 Kenneth  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 8:48:38am

re: #930 Nevergiveup

Defense sources: Even if Hamas agrees to truce, its armed wing may resist.

The media wing of Hamas (ie. BBC, CNN, NYT, & etc...) supports a ceasefire. The diplomatic wing of Hamas (ie. the UN, EU, Arab League, & etc...) supports a ceasefire. And the political wing of Hamas will pretend to support a ceasefire.

This is so the military terrorist wing of Hamas can rearm, holds onto power and continue to fight.

1007 lawhawk  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 8:48:52am
1008 tfc3rid  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 8:48:55am

re: #999 Nevergiveup

I think it's a "graceful" way out for Reid and the Senate. He will get in.

They have no real Constitutional argument to even make him jump through hoops. But, the Dems are above the law and above the Constitution...

I guess they are abiding by International Law...

1009 Nevergiveup  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 8:48:56am

re: #998 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

You forgot fat.

If you are gonna die in your bed, I am not sure if fat or thin is the point. I'd say wet or dry is more important?

1010 Occasional Reader  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 8:48:59am

re: #972 aussiemagpie

I give up - can't beat those :-)

It occurs to me that something you Aussies and we North Americans have in common, in contrast to Europe, is that we still DO very much have wildlife roaming around that are capable of killing you. Indeed, of killing and EATING you - large predators. In Europe, they were all wiped out centuries ago. Yet the Euros love to lecture us about environmentalism.

1011 aussiemagpie  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 8:49:16am

re: #945 Occasional Reader

"Oye, mate, throw another empanada on the barbie..."

Well, it might work.

LOL! That idea has legs for sure :-)

1012 [deleted]  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 8:49:35am
1013 jwb7605  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 8:49:40am

re: #999 Nevergiveup

I think it's a "graceful" way out for Reid and the Senate. He will get in.

At which point Reid will show us that he was doing his duty to verify all qualifications had been met, illustrating how he adheres to the constitution.

1014 VegasRick  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 8:49:41am

re: #1003 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

I think he was kidding.

That was sooo baaad.

1015 Nevergiveup  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 8:49:49am

re: #1006 Kenneth

The media wing of Hamas (ie. BBC, CNN, NYT, & etc...) supports a ceasefire. The diplomatic wing of Hamas (ie. the UN, EU, Arab League, & etc...) supports a ceasefire. And the political wing of Hamas will pretend to support a ceasefire.

This is so the military terrorist wing of Hamas can rearm, holds onto power and continue to fight.

Yup

1016 bellamags  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 8:49:49am

re: #994 Ford_Prefect

Morning, bella. Well, thank you. I am home today due to the icy roads up here in CT. And you?

We just got some rain from that front. Its still 70 degrees. We haven't had one hard freeze this year. If we don't the frikin bugs will be OUT OF CONTROL this summer. Can you send me some ice?

1017 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 8:49:52am

Gotta run.

Damn you work! Damn you!

1018 CIA Reject  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 8:49:57am

re: #996 VegasRick

MoHamHead said that they don't really fuck goats, they just do a lot of heavy petting.

What did the goat say?

1019 Rancher  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 8:49:59am

re: #999 Nevergiveup

I think it's a "graceful" way out for Reid and the Senate. He will get in.

It will be an interesting vote. We will see who the "racists" are that vote to exclude this poor Black man. I do love seeing the race card thrown in the Democrats face for a change.

1020 turn  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 8:50:16am

re: #942 Kenneth

How can a rational brain hold those two contradictory ideas?

It can't, your friend obviously isn't rational. What a story, just wow. Nuke Israel? I bet the liberal friend is actually anti-nuke to begin with.

1021 WriterMom  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 8:50:37am

re: #1007 lawhawk

EXCELLENT FIND.

Wonder how much baksheesh it cost to get that sack.

1022 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 8:51:35am

re: #1007 lawhawk

What humanitarian crisis - that warehouse is absolutely packed with flour.

But what about the baking soda or yeast? How can one expect to bake bread without those vital supplies being withheld by the evil Zionist honcos?

1023 Occasional Reader  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 8:51:49am

re: #991 jcm

that is not particularly suitable for sporting purposes

Read my lips, liberals, while I say it again, slowly:

THE SECOND AMENDMENT IS NOT ABOUT F***G DEER HUNTING.

If you want to try to amend the Constitution, step up to the plate. Otherwise, abide by the one we already have.

1024 Ford_Prefect  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 8:51:52am

re: #1016 bellamags

We just got some rain from that front. Its still 70 degrees. We haven't had one hard freeze this year. If we don't the frikin bugs will be OUT OF CONTROL this summer. Can you send me some ice?

Sure. You want that cubed in a glass with some fermented beverage?

1025 jorline  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 8:52:01am

re: #1007 lawhawk

What humanitarian crisis - that warehouse is absolutely packed with flour.

First...Food for oil.

Now...Food for ?

I think we're getting fucked again!

1026 [deleted]  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 8:52:09am
1027 notutopia  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 8:52:21am

re: #801 Last Mohican

Hey folks, I was just over at the "Best Middle East or Africa Blog"category of the 2008 Weblog awards. It's turning into a two-blog race between Israellycool and the detestable Juan Cole, whose anti-Israel, anti-American "Informed Comment" is currently in the lead by over 300 votes. You might want to click over there and fire off a vote.

And what really stinks is that means we'll have to make a split decision to not vote Michael Totten! In order to save Israellycool. Just like real life... feels like this last Prez election!

1028 VegasRick  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 8:52:31am

re: #1018 CIA Reject

What did the goat say?

MoHamHead lied, people sighed.

1029 Last Mohican  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 8:52:56am

re: #1006 Kenneth

It's the new Muslim terrorist paradigm. "Pay no attention to those bullets that my right hand is currently firing at your head, of its own accord. I stand firmly committed to peace. And so if you strike me, you will be the aggressor, and it will be you who is violating our cease-fire."

1030 albusteve  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 8:53:01am

re: #1005 FrogMarch

We do hold the Prairie dog in very high esteem here in Boulder. But we do have to move and kill too.

[Link: www.dailycamera.com...]

At the new bridge over Foothills & Arapahoe - you will notice Prairie Dog Art panels.

man what way to live...another reason I like where I'm at...the occasional bear or mountain lion is big news

1031 yochanan  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 8:53:07am

re: #936 Ford_Prefect

Does it look like Blago?

it wasn't in the grass

1032 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 8:53:11am

re: #1016 bellamags

We just got some rain from that front. Its still 70 degrees. We haven't had one hard freeze this year. If we don't the frikin bugs will be OUT OF CONTROL this summer. Can you send me some ice?

Won't matter. Up here, in NE Illinois, we have the ground freeze every winter, yet every spring, the bugs get out of control any time there's a substantial rain event.

1033 WriterMom  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 8:53:31am

re: #1023 Occasional Reader

So, in other words, you would like liberals to play by the rules.

[THUNK]

1034 turn  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 8:53:34am

re: #953 Walter L. Newton

Radio talk show right now, Denver, a caller, Mohammad, say just because Hamas has the destruction of Israel in it's charter, they don't really mean it.

Glad he cleared that up.


Al-Takeyya

1035 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 8:53:42am

For a while, there were reports that Israel was going to accept the Fwench "peace" proposal, which would put international observers in place to keep Hamas from rearming and continuing terrorism Israel from defending itself, but now it looks like they're not:

Meanwhile, Israel clarified that when the cabinet stated it viewed French President Nicolas Sarkozy and Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak's offer "favorably" earlier in the day, it did not mean Israel wholeheartedly accepted it.

Sources in the Prime Minister's Office said that Israel was ready to accept parts of the offer which were in line with its own interests - a complete cessation in terror activity and a halt to weapons smuggling through the Gaza-Egypt border.

And the inhumanitarian cease fire was broken, when Hamas resumed launching rockets. The MSM will report that Israel broke the cease fire, though.

All this from the Jerusalem Post

And I find it interesting that I read that Israel was accepting the "peace" proposal; prayed the government of Israel came to its senses, and then read that they were only accepting the parts that were in their interest.

1036 Spare O'Lake  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 8:53:56am
Hamashole on CNN: "We cannot agree to a ceasefire until the Israeli agression stops. Then the missiles will stop automatically."


If it wasn't so aggravating it would be hilarious.
Feed them hot lead.

1037 [deleted]  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 8:54:06am
1038 realwest  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 8:54:14am

re: #880 jcm
Well hell, it wasn't likely he was gonna use it now, was it?!

1039 yma o hyd  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 8:54:35am

Just a remark about the voting for the blog awards:
you can vote once every 24 hours, until polls close!

Which means, you can go back and vote tomorrow, and you can obviously split your vote between, say, Totten and Israellycool.

And whilst you're at it, don't forget to vote for zomblog, jammiewearingfool, lawhawk, and in the UK category, for Melanie Phillips, a rare voice of reason!

(I assume that ye've all voted for lgf, yesss? So vote again!)

1040 Wyatt Earp  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 8:54:36am

re: #1019 Rancher

It will be an interesting vote. We will see who the "racists" are that vote to exclude this poor Black man. I do love seeing the race card thrown in the Democrats face for a change.

I wonder why Jackson and Sharpton are not marching on Capitol Hill?

1041 WriterMom  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 8:54:58am

re: #1035 Kosh's Shadow

I think that they only paid lip service to Sarkozy...saying that it was very, very nice of him to take the time to come up with a plan, and very nice that he is thinking about humanitarian concerns-thank you for your thoughts...etc but STFU.

1042 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 8:54:58am

re: #1012 Iron Fist

White smoke? Racist!

OK, fine. Green Smoke, then. Happy?

1043 Nevergiveup  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 8:55:05am

re: #1040 Wyatt Earp

I wonder why Jackson and Sharpton are not marching on Capitol Hill?

Its raining.

1044 WriterMom  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 8:55:19am

re: #1036 Spare O'Lake

"Let them eat lead." ?

1045 lawhawk  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 8:55:23am

Lots of new photos from Gaza, some of a UN school in Jabaliya, and curiously, none show the scene of the attack yesterday. Curious.

1046 Kenneth  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 8:55:28am

re: #1004 WriterMom

I felt physically sickened by this. I always thought her NDP support was based on environment & helping the needy. Nope. At the root, it's Jooo hatred. Everything else is a fig leaf for hatred. I can never look at this person the same way again.

1047 bellamags  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 8:55:28am

re: #1024 Ford_Prefect

Sure. You want that cubed in a glass with some fermented beverage?

Yes. A peach martini on the rocks in a lowball.

1048 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 8:55:40am

re: #953 Walter L. Newton

Radio talk show right now, Denver, a caller, Mohammad, say just because Hamas has the destruction of Israel in it's charter, they don't really mean it.

Glad he cleared that up.

So he is calling Hamas a bunch of liars?

1049 Dustyvet  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 8:55:56am

re: #1036 Spare O'Lake

If it wasn't so aggravating it would be hilarious.
Feed them hot lead.

Yeah right, I'm going Right out and buy a used car from Hamas.

1050 newsjunkie_ky  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 8:56:10am

You all probably already have heard this, but on a local radio newstalk show they played a clip of harry the re(i)d telling meet the press on Sunday, 'there is a civil war in Israel'. ?

1051 [deleted]  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 8:56:10am
1052 aussiemagpie  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 8:56:16am

re: #980 Occasional Reader

Ah, "Lonely Planet". The folks who insist on mixing in left-wing politics with their travel reviews. Just one example; in the Lonely Planet Argentina volume, a review on the "Museo de Armas" (Weapons Museum) in Buenos Aires: "Outside of George Bush's imagination, you will never see such an impressive display of weapons of mass destruction."

I've dropped them and switched to Frommer's.

It's a sad fate for Lonely Planet - my Vietnam Lonely Planet is an excellent book but President Bush hadn't been elected then when I bought it so it was still written without the BDS flavour

N we survive quite nicely overseas with all the free local stuff found in hotel lobbies - maps, brochures etc

1053 WriterMom  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 8:56:28am

re: #1046 Kenneth

Kenneth, as painful as it is-it's really better that you know. You will look at the person the way they really are and that is always better.

1054 Nevergiveup  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 8:56:30am

Israel considers expelling Venezuelan envoys

[Link: www.jpost.com...]

Dah. You think?

1055 Rancher  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 8:57:07am

re: #1040 Wyatt Earp

I wonder why Jackson and Sharpton are not marching on Capitol Hill?

You don't bite the hands that feed you.

1056 bellamags  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 8:57:14am

re: #1032 Honorary Yooper

Won't matter. Up here, in NE Illinois, we have the ground freeze every winter, yet every spring, the bugs get out of control any time there's a substantial rain event.

Your bugs are heartier than our bugs. : )

1057 Wyatt Earp  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 8:57:15am

re: #1043 Nevergiveup

Its raining.

And like Newman from Seinfeld, they don't work in the rain.

Actually, they don't work, period.

1058 tackle  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 8:57:15am

re: #1008 tfc3rid

Okay, so Burris will get in. What are the odds that Blago will not be indicted? (I suppose 90 days is enough time to destroy evidence and get everyone's stories straight, right?

1059 Dianna  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 8:57:31am

re: #1050 newsjunkie_ky

You all probably already have heard this, but on a local radio newstalk show they played a clip of harry the re(i)d telling meet the press on Sunday, 'there is a civil war in Israel'. ?

Actually, no - I hadn't. Do you have a link where I can listen?

1060 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 8:57:32am

re: #1036 Spare O'Lake

Hamashole on CNN: "We cannot agree to a ceasefire until the Israeli agression stops. Then the missiles will stop automatically."


If it wasn't so aggravating it would be hilarious.
Feed them hot lead.


You need the Hamas dictionary.
By "Israeli Aggression", they mean the existence of Jews in Israel.

1061 yma o hyd  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 8:57:34am

re: #1001 Last Mohican

I hope you're right. But that's what I thought was going on in Lebanon, right before Israel announced its unexpected surrender.

I believe the situation is much different from that in 2006, both in regard to the politicians and above all in regard to the command of the IDF and the way they've told the cabinet what needs to be done.

One thing is quite clear - Israel has learned the lessons of that failed Lebanon campaign, and we've been seeing the results ever since 12/28!

1062 Nevergiveup  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 8:58:08am

re: #1057 Wyatt Earp

And like Newman from Seinfeld, they don't work in the rain.

Actually, they don't work, period.

Like Kramer.

1063 realwest  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 8:58:12am

re: #910 lawhawk
WOW - are they in for "sticker shock" when they get to N.C. - State income taxes, highest sales taxes in the nation...lol, they'd best head somewhere else - like say, West Virginia where the locals do most everything for themselves and don't expect - or get - much from Government!

1064 MandyManners  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 8:58:53am

re: #940 buzzsawmonkey

Probably. They certainly contributed to the support of the early Zionists, who had great difficulty surviving, let alone prospering, in their agricultural efforts.

The acquisition of land by the early Zionists is a complex tale about which I know less than I would like. The Ottomans sometimes refused to permit land to be sold to Jews, sometimes permitted it; it is my understanding, which may be inaccurate, that the Jewish National Fund was formed in order to have an entity which could buy land for the purpose of holding it in trust as part of the state-to-be that would circumvent the land-purchase restrictions. The money used by the JNF was not merely from wealthy donors--thousands upon thousands of Jewish homes had collecting-boxes ("pushkes") through which ordinary people contributed to the enterprise.

The Ottoman Empire being a feudal holdover, most of the land in what for convenience we will call "Palestine" was held by wealthy absentee landlords. This is important because it is well to remember that many if not most of those Arabs who claim to have farmed the land prior to Israeli independence were, in fact, serfs--not landowners. They did not own the land they farmed, and accordingly--unhappy though they may be at their dispossession during the War of Independence--do not have a claim to return on the basis of title.

The landowners who were willing to sell land to the early Zionists did what might be expected; they sold the worst land they had, for the highest prices. Much of this land was rocky, eroded desert; much was malarial swamp. The early settlers drained the swamps by planting eucalyptus trees imported from Australia, which drank up enough of the water to make the land arable. Ironically, many of these trees--which hold, understandably, a lauded place in stories of the early struggles to build the nation--are now being removed in an effort to restore necessary wetlands.

It should be mentioned that all of the effort I have described above, which was done with backbreaking labor, was done also in the face of armed marauding by the Arabs who lived as herdsmen or subsistence farmers in the largely-empty land that "Palestine" was in the late-nineteenth and early-twentieth century. The Arabs were no better at getting along with their neighbors then than they are now--regardless of whether those neighbors had any direct impact on them.

I am vaporing on about this more or less in parallel to your question, as I think that little of this history is generally known.

That accords with what I learned in the Arab-Israeli Conflict class taught by--IIRC--Goldberg at UW. (One of the texts was Elon's Founders and Sons. Another was some screed by Said.)

That the farmers had the lands they worked sold out from underneath them...that's beyond sad, and I understand how that rage can live down through four or so generations. It's not the Jews who screwed them over. It was the Arabs.

Also, the Haj and his tribe screwed them over later. There could have been two nations but, that evil bastard killed all hopes.

1065 Dustyvet  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 8:58:54am

re: #1058 tackle

Okay, so Burris will get in. What are the odds that Blago will not be indicted? (I suppose 90 days is enough time to destroy evidence and get everyone's stories straight, right?

The shredders in Springfield are working 24/7, they just added a third shift.

1066 Ford_Prefect  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 8:58:55am

re: #1047 bellamags

Yes. A peach martini on the rocks in a lowball.

Here ya go.

*passes drink over.

Just wait two more minutes so that it is after noon.

1067 jwb7605  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 8:59:22am

re: #1030 albusteve

man what way to live...another reason I like where I'm at...the occasional bear or mountain lion is big news

Samples of today's news in Boulder:
Mountain Lion alert, Swat Team practice, and an example of shool education dilemmas.

1068 Wyatt Earp  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 8:59:25am

re: #1039 yma o hyd

Just a remark about the voting for the blog awards:
you can vote once every 24 hours, until polls close!

Which means, you can go back and vote tomorrow, and you can obviously split your vote between, say, Totten and Israellycool.

And whilst you're at it, don't forget to vote for zomblog, jammiewearingfool, lawhawk, and in the UK category, for Melanie Phillips, a rare voice of reason!

(I assume that ye've all voted for lgf, yesss? So vote again!)

Well, thankfully that fraud from Atlas Shrugs is losing steam, but we're in third behind Ace of Spades and Small Dead Animals. Let's go, people!

1069 CIA Reject  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 8:59:30am

re: #1028 VegasRick

MoHamHead lied, people sighed.

LOL!

1070 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 8:59:31am

re: #1023 Occasional Reader

Read my lips, liberals, while I say it again, slowly:

THE SECOND AMENDMENT IS NOT ABOUT F***G DEER HUNTING.

If you want to try to amend the Constitution, step up to the plate. Otherwise, abide by the one we already have.

Moonbat Response: Read My Lips: You're evil and I'm going to do whatever I can to keep you from interfering as The One remakes this country to my tastes. Disarming you is the first step, and you'd better reconcile yourself to it. Resist, and we'll make your life hell.

[Actually, the moonbats won't say that, but it is what they are thinking.)

1071 Kenneth  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 8:59:35am

re: #1020 turn

She isn't liberal, she's a socialist. And I have learned she is not really anti-nuke or pro-peace. She wants Iran to nuke Israel. She wants Hamas to win the war.

1072 turn  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 8:59:52am

re: #971 yma o hyd

Hiya {rw]!

Picked up another cold - must be virus # 167 or so ...
Dunno how long I'll be able to keep out of bed, its just that I find creeping into bed feeling miserable has to be the last resort!
I hate wimping out!

Sorry to hear about that. If you get a lot of colds you might consider getting checked for allergies. Years ago I used to get sick all the time plus get serious sinus infections. I found out I had allergies to just about everything and started taking shots, haven't been seriously sick since then. Been taking shots for 10 years now.

1073 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 9:00:00am
1074 Wyatt Earp  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 9:00:34am

re: #1068 Wyatt Earp

Well, thankfully that fraud from Atlas Shrugs is losing steam, but we're in third behind Ace of Spades and Small Dead Animals. Let's go, people!

Link to the voting.

1075 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 9:00:42am

re: #1062 Nevergiveup

Like Kramer.

Kramer was on strike for 14 years.

1076 yma o hyd  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 9:00:52am

re: #1006 Kenneth

The media wing of Hamas (ie. BBC, CNN, NYT, & etc...) supports a ceasefire. The diplomatic wing of Hamas (ie. the UN, EU, Arab League, & etc...) supports a ceasefire. And the political wing of Hamas will pretend to support a ceasefire.

This is so the military terrorist wing of Hamas can rearm, holds onto power and continue to fight.

As was seen today, when israel instigated the 'lull', of trhee hours, so supplies could get into gaza and could be distributed stolen by Hamas:

5:44 PM Israel Channel 1 TV reports: Apparently, the long range rockets (3) which hit Be'er Sheva at 4:28 PM were set up by Hamas during the 3 hour "Humanitarian" cease fire.

1077 newsjunkie_ky  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 9:01:02am

re: #1059 Dianna

Actually, no - I hadn't. Do you have a link where I can listen?

No, I don't. But he did say just that.
Will try to find. nbc has a way of sending video down the hole to protect themselves (Coulter crushing lauer) and the dems.

1078 bellamags  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 9:01:05am

re: #1066 Ford_Prefect

Here ya go.

*passes drink over.

Just wait two more minutes so that it is after noon.

K --- tick tock tick tock tick tock tick tock.

1079 unrealizedviewpoint  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 9:01:05am

re: #1023 Occasional Reader

Read my lips, liberals, while I say it again, slowly:

THE SECOND AMENDMENT IS NOT ABOUT F***G DEER HUNTING.

If you want to try to amend the Constitution, step up to the plate. Otherwise, abide by the one we already have.

Every time a lib politician wants to demonstrate support for the right to bear arms it's always with some rifle chasing some defenseless deer. This ain't about hunting rights, you're right. I'd rather see my politician holding a 45 defending his home or family.

1080 [deleted]  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 9:01:23am
1081 Wyatt Earp  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 9:01:45am

re: #1075 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Kramer was on strike for 14 years.

H&H Bagels. "No bagel, no bagel, no bagel . . . "

1082 lawhawk  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 9:01:46am

Here's a must read from Laura Mansfield, who's not only busy translating Zawahiri's latest missive (in which he attacks Obama and Mubarak for the Israel offensive against Hamas), but she takes apart the Hamas charter for all those who think that this is an organization that can be trusted, let alone one that can be allowed to continue festering in Gaza and the Middle East and rest of the world.

Tasty bits:

Let's start with the HAMAS slogan:

Allah is its goal, the Prophet its model, the Qur'an its Constitution, Jihad its path and death for the case of Allah its most sublime belief.

Jihad is its path? Does that sound peaceful to you?

Bin Laden declared his Jihad against the United States in his famous fatwa in 1996. But nearly eight years before, in 1988, the HAMAS charter declared Jihad against Israel:

the Islamic Resistance Movement erupted in order to play its role in the path of its Lord. In so doing, it joined its hands with those of all Jihad fighters for the purpose of liberating Palestine.

HAMAS wastes no time making its stance against Israel clear in the Introduction to its Charter:

Israel will rise and will remain erect until Islam eliminates it as it had eliminated its predecessors.

HAMAS is quite open and proud of its link to the Muslim Brotherhood. Its charter explicitly states the following:

The Islamic Resistance Movement is one of the wings of the Muslim Brothers in Palestine. The Muslim Brotherhood Movement is a world organization, the largest Islamic Movement in the modern era. It is characterized by a profound understanding, by precise notions and by a complete comprehensiveness of all concepts of Islam in all domains of life: views and beliefs, politics and economics, education and society, jurisprudence and rule, indoctrination and teaching, the arts and publications, the hidden and the evident, and all the other domains of life.

Diversity doesn't seem to be a strong point of HAMAS. Article four of their Charter defines those welcome to join the group:

The Movement welcomes all Muslims who share its beliefs and thinking, commit themselves to its course of action, keep its secrets and aspire to join its ranks in order to carry out their duty.

It appears that being Muslim is a requirement for membership. What about the Palestinian Christians? They form a significant minority of individuals claiming Palestinian nationality.

The Charter makes it clear what kind of government it wants established in Palestine:

As the Movement adopts Islam as its way of life, its time dimension extends back as far as the birth of the Islamic Message and of the Righteous Ancestor. Its ultimate goal is Islam, the Prophet its model, the Qur'an its Constitution. Its special dimension extends wherever on earth there are Muslims, who adopt Islam as their way of life; thus, it penetrates to the deepest reaches of the land and to the highest spheres of Heavens. Read it all...

1083 turn  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 9:01:48am

re: #978 Last Mohican

A very deserving candidate, for sure. And there are still a few days of voting left, right?

Oh that reminds me, its another day and I can go vote for Charles again.

1084 realwest  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 9:02:09am

re: #941 jorline
Shit. Sorry my friend -will send you one soon!

1085 Nevergiveup  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 9:02:12am

8:34 Obama says he`ll engage `immediately` in Mideast once inaugurated (Reuters)

To bad he doesn't know Tel Aviv from Jaffa?

1086 rawmuse  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 9:02:40am

re: #1037 Iron Fist

Go after semi-automatics? That is like about 70 percent of all guns.

1087 Spare O'Lake  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 9:03:12am

re: #1046 Kenneth

I felt physically sickened by this. I always thought her NDP support was based on environment & helping the needy. Nope. At the root, it's Jooo hatred. Everything else is a fig leaf for hatred. I can never look at this person the same way again.

You need to spit in her face if she wishes for another holocaust.
Especially if she is your relative.

1088 turn  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 9:03:14am

re: #1074 Wyatt Earp

Link to the voting.

Anybody here follow that Small Dead Animals blog? I didn't know anything about it until yesterday.

1089 VegasRick  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 9:03:15am

re: #1074 Wyatt Earp

Link to the voting.

Thanks, just voted.

1090 [deleted]  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 9:03:40am
1091 Nevergiveup  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 9:03:59am

17:49 Rice extends visit to New York amid Gaza truce debate (AP)

I hope she has tickets to an Evening Show, because there is no other reason for her to stay?

1092 tackle  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 9:04:09am
Then the missiles will stop automatically.


I thought Hamas only had homemade, "amateur" rockets that accidentally kill people.
If so much as a feather floats over the border, Israel needs to respond disproportionately. Zero tolerance.

1093 newsjunkie_ky  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 9:04:13am

re: #1077 newsjunkie_ky
Dianna, try this link.

1094 Wyatt Earp  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 9:04:25am

re: #1088 turn

Anybody here follow that Small Dead Animals blog? I didn't know anything about it until yesterday.

I never heard of it, either. But I may be out of the loop, since I spend all of my free time here.

1095 albusteve  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 9:04:44am

re: #1067 jwb7605

Samples of today's news in Boulder:
Mountain Lion alert, Swat Team practice, and an example of shool education dilemmas.


who woulda thought mountain lions would be a problem 30 yrs ago?

1096 realwest  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 9:04:46am

re: #951 tackle
Huh? "a CNN doctor for Surgeon General?" Who the hell is that?

1097 Spare O'Lake  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 9:04:48am

re: #1060 Kosh's Shadow

You need the Hamas dictionary.
By "Israeli Aggression", they mean the existence of Jews in Israel.

You are absolutely correct, and that is why the missiles would then stop "automatically".

1098 Kenneth  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 9:05:28am

re: #1041 WriterMom

My hunch is Sarkozy is just playing diplomatic rope-a-dope with the UN. We all knew the UN will be clamoring for "peace" the minute Israel acted to defend herself from the Hamas terrorists. Sarkozy is pretty tight with Bush, but the US cannot play the role of "honest broker". That's a job for morally nuanced France to play. Sarkozy & the Egyptians will keep this up long enough for Israel to finish the job on Hamas.

1099 aussiemagpie  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 9:05:29am

re: #1010 Occasional Reader

It occurs to me that something you Aussies and we North Americans have in common, in contrast to Europe, is that we still DO very much have wildlife roaming around that are capable of killing you. Indeed, of killing and EATING you - large predators. In Europe, they were all wiped out centuries ago. Yet the Euros love to lecture us about environmentalism.

Good point there OR

As much as environmentalists weep and wail about species being lost because of nasty humans, we do have a smorgasbord of wildlife here :-)

1100 Nevergiveup  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 9:05:31am

re: #1096 realwest

Huh? "a CNN doctor for Surgeon General?" Who the hell is that?

[Link: michellemalkin.com...]

1101 jwb7605  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 9:05:31am

re: #1088 turn

Anybody here follow that Small Dead Animals blog? I didn't know anything about it until yesterday.

Same here. My evaluation: poor layout, too much hype. The flashing red siren about pulling ahead of LGF is certainly subdued and tasteful.

1102 Ford_Prefect  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 9:05:32am

Well I have to go switch some laundry and get some lunch.

bbiab

1103 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 9:05:33am

re: #1091 Nevergiveup

17:49 Rice extends visit to New York amid Gaza truce debate (AP)

I hope she has tickets to an Evening Show, because there is no other reason for her to stay?

She should go to Benihana, where dinner is the show!

1104 albusteve  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 9:05:36am

re: #1070 Dark_Falcon

Moonbat Response: Read My Lips: You're evil and I'm going to do whatever I can to keep you from interfering as The One remakes this country to my tastes. Disarming you is the first step, and you'd better reconcile yourself to it. Resist, and we'll make your life hell.

[Actually, the moonbats won't say that, but it is what they are thinking.)

lock and load...you cant live forever

1105 Fat Jolly Penguin  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 9:05:56am

re: #1096 realwest

Huh? "a CNN doctor for Surgeon General?" Who the hell is that?

[Link: michellemalkin.com...]

1106 unrealizedviewpoint  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 9:06:07am

re: #1058 tackle

Okay, so Burris will get in. What are the odds that Blago will not be indicted? (I suppose 90 days is enough time to destroy evidence and get everyone's stories straight, right?

Why is there a 90-day delay until until indictment?

1107 Nevergiveup  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 9:06:12am

re: #1098 Kenneth

My hunch is Sarkozy is just playing diplomatic rope-a-dope with the UN. We all knew the UN will be clamoring for "peace" the minute Israel acted to defend herself from the Hamas terrorists. Sarkozy is pretty tight with Bush, but the US cannot play the role of "honest broker". That's a job for morally nuanced France to play. Sarkozy & the Egyptians will keep this up long enough for Israel to finish the job on Hamas.

Maybe. pretty good analysis.

1108 Fat Jolly Penguin  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 9:06:23am

re: #1100 Nevergiveup

Feh. 25 seconds.

1109 Salamantis  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 9:06:47am

re: #958 realwest

Wow, a a pygmy rattler was going to bite her in the head?! Don't they usually go for lower body parts like legs and feet (looking for football helmet as he types this one-handed)?

It was in a bush, perched on a branch at head-level. It probably climbed up there to lie in wait for unwary birds, and then her head brushed by and startled it. It registered a threat, and stuck in self-defence.

1110 Rancher  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 9:06:57am

Cant seem to vote, I just get two blank boxes. Must be something blocked by corporate.

1111 rawmuse  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 9:07:05am

re: #1106 unrealizedviewpoint

Why is there a 90-day delay until until indictment?

Because Fitz pulled the trigger on that whole deal too fast. I don't think he has a strong case.

1112 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 9:07:06am

re: #1076 yma o hyd

As was seen today, when israel instigated the 'lull', of trhee hours, so supplies could get into gaza and could be distributed stolen by Hamas:

5:44 PM Israel Channel 1 TV reports: Apparently, the long range rockets (3) which hit Be'er Sheva at 4:28 PM were set up by Hamas during the 3 hour "Humanitarian" cease fire.

I guess they had to get the missiles to another UN school and round up the usual human shields. Is that what took 3 hours?

1113 VegasRick  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 9:07:11am

re: #1104 albusteve

lock and load...you cant live forever

Yep. I'm ready and I'm training back ups.

1114 notutopia  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 9:07:13am

re: #1068 Wyatt Earp

Well, thankfully that fraud from Atlas Shrugs is losing steam, but we're in third behind Ace of Spades and Small Dead Animals. Let's go, people!

And don't forget to vote for Zomblog in the Middle sized
blog category.

1115 Erik The Red  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 9:07:15am

re: #1074 Wyatt Earp

Link to the voting.

Just found out I can vote from 3 different computers. Work,home and laptop. Come on Lizards do it the Chicago way.

1116 tackle  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 9:07:51am

re: #1096 realwest

Huh? "a CNN doctor for Surgeon General?" Who the hell is that?

Sanjay Gupta. (No, not that crazy American Idol contestant Sanjaya.) Nevergiveup had a link to Malkin that discusses his qualifications. Plus, he was one of People's "Sexiest Men Alive"!

1117 albusteve  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 9:07:54am

re: #1098 Kenneth

My hunch is Sarkozy is just playing diplomatic rope-a-dope with the UN. We all knew the UN will be clamoring for "peace" the minute Israel acted to defend herself from the Hamas terrorists. Sarkozy is pretty tight with Bush, but the US cannot play the role of "honest broker". That's a job for morally nuanced France to play. Sarkozy & the Egyptians will keep this up long enough for Israel to finish the job on Hamas.

Sarko wanted a little air time that's all...these people are just people and he's wants some attention...he's a big shot

1118 [deleted]  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 9:07:58am
1119 Nevergiveup  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 9:08:09am

re: #1108 Fat Jolly Penguin

Feh. 25 seconds.

Pretty quick for old man ha?

1120 Wyatt Earp  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 9:08:26am

re: #1101 jwb7605

Same here. My evaluation: poor layout, too much hype. The flashing red siren about pulling ahead of LGF is certainly subdued and tasteful.

We cannot lose to a Canadian blog! (No offense to BlueCanuck.)

1121 Kenneth  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 9:08:30am

re: #1064 MandyManners

Don't forget, about half the Arab population of Palestine had immigrated to the region in the 2 decades previous to 1948. They came mostly from Egypt & Syria, drawn by well paying work offered by the relatively prosperous Jewish farmers. Their roots to the land are not so deep as they pretend.

1122 Dustyvet  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 9:08:31am

re: #1096 realwest

Huh? "a CNN doctor for Surgeon General?" Who the hell is that?

He makes your TV turn it's head and cough...:)

1123 FrogMarch  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 9:08:39am

re: #1067 jwb7605

Samples of today's news in Boulder:
Mountain Lion alert, Swat Team practice, and an example of shool education dilemmas.

Never a dull moment.

One of my neighbors used to work for the Division of Wildlife. He has great stories to tell. One in particular is an incident where they found a dead mountain lion on the road (killed by a car) and it gave them an opportunity to do an autopsy. What was inside the Mountain Lion?...

wait for it...


house cats.

1124 yma o hyd  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 9:08:45am

re: #1072 turn

Aww - sorry to hear that about your allergies!
I got them in spades, and they're treated.
Thing is, and I didn't know that, there are so many cold viruses floating about, one picks them up, and whta looks like one long cold are in fact lots of 'neww' ones, which the immune system, being low ebcause of fighting the previous ones, can't cope with.

I'm relying on immune-boosting supplements, like Black Elder, Echinacea, Vit C, Zinc - but right now, everybody is suffering all over the place, and the perishing cold weather isn't helping ...

But - thanks for the advice!

1125 Harry Tuttle  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 9:08:51am

re: #1002 Iron Fist

Palin was the one thing that McCain did right. Without her, it might have been a landslide of Reaganesque proportions for the One. I like Palin, but what's not to like? she was a hell of a lot more qualified that all the other jokers from the Senate that ran. Se got more votes than Biden did in his failed bid for the Presidency. That's really not hard to do, though. I'd probably get more votes than Biden if I ran for President. What'd he get, 2500 votes? More people fucked up and voted for Buchannan in 2000 than that.

McCain lost this. My question is why? Why did he end up the guy? Why didn't he run this to win?

I fear we have been had, but the left and the right.

Bush gives us Hank Paulson who talks of total melt down if he does not get 700 bazillion dollars to buy distressed mortgages and then turns around and gives that money directly to the banks. How far is this from treasonous?

McCain the guy no one really wants won't even call out his opponent on real issues (Wright/Ayers/Rezko), and then loses.

Fraud in Ill senate seat appointment, fraud in MN senate race.

They are coming for your guns, your healthcare and your 401k's.

And all the proles care about is American Idle.

1126 Wyatt Earp  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 9:09:14am

re: #1116 tackle

Sanjay Gupta. (No, not that crazy American Idol contestant Sanjaya.) Nevergiveup had a link to Malkin that discusses his qualifications. Plus, he was one of People's "Sexiest Men Alive"!

Sanjaya would be an equally insipid choice.

1127 Kenneth  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 9:09:44am

re: #1096 realwest

Huh? "a CNN doctor for Surgeon General?" Who the hell is that?

Breaking: Obama has changed his mind & picked a different TV doctor for surgeon general.

1128 jwb7605  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 9:09:45am

re: #1095 albusteve

who woulda thought mountain lions would be a problem 30 yrs ago?

Four miles east, I like my town. Biggest issues are "pay as you throw" garbage collection (I personally lobbied my council member in favor of it), and whether non-resident library users should get "free" library cards.

1129 Fat Jolly Penguin  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 9:10:00am

re: #1119 Nevergiveup

Pretty quick for old man ha?

:D

1130 yochanan  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 9:10:13am

re: #857 aussiemagpie

Hi, yochanan!

Trouser snakes you mean? Politicians? Yes definitely :-)

politicians, crooks, islamists, jihadists, commies and fascists lots of different kinds of snake.

some politicans are lower than snakes snakes crawl on there own belly the politicans aren't so picky

1131 Wyatt Earp  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 9:10:17am

re: #1127 Kenneth

Breaking: Obama has changed his mind & picked a different TV doctor for surgeon general.

See? I would be ecstatic for Doctor Hibbert!

1132 Spare O'Lake  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 9:10:25am

re: #1044 WriterMom

"Let them eat lead." ?

The main course at the IDF soup kitchen.

1133 Nevergiveup  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 9:10:34am

On BBC there is a UN relief worker complaining they did not get enough trucks in. Also complaining about only 3 hours.

1134 albusteve  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 9:10:43am

re: #1123 FrogMarch

Never a dull moment.

One of my neighbors used to work for the Division of Wildlife. He has great stories to tell. One in particular is an incident where they found a dead mountain lion on the road (killed by a car) and it gave them an opportunity to do an autopsy. What was inside the Mountain Lion?...

wait for it...

house cats.

"anybody seen Tinkerbell?...anybody?"

1135 Dianna  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 9:10:48am

re: #1093 newsjunkie_ky

Thanks - Reid's an idiot.

1136 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 9:10:53am

re: #1126 Wyatt Earp

Sanjaya would be an equally insipid choice.

I've said before that Obama is the Sanjaya of American politics - he's gotten this far based on his non-threatening exotic looks but has no discernible talent.

1137 tackle  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 9:11:14am

re: #1106 unrealizedviewpoint

Why is there a 90-day delay until until indictment?

Apparently the AG needed more time to get through all of the evidence and an extension was granted.

1138 Salamantis  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 9:11:21am

re: #948 Desert Dog

I miss those varmits...not many of those down here...we have scrawny looking squirrels, but no 'dogs'. I remember as a kid growing up in Aurora, Colorado, a home builder wanted to clear a field of prairie dogs before they started building new homes. So, we watched as guy in a truck came out and "vacuumed" the field with a hose. He literally sucked the little furbies out of the ground and then drove off...Here's a video showing a similar operation. Every time I hear "Prairie Dogs" I think of that day...too funny

I once had a family of rats set up a burrow complex under my backyard deck. I hooked a hose to my lawn mower exhaust, cranked it up, poked the other end into a burrow, and gassed the little bastards.

1139 Dustyvet  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 9:11:22am

re: #1127 Kenneth

Breaking: Obama has changed his mind & picked a different TV doctor for surgeon general.

A great doctor...:)


1140 unrealizedviewpoint  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 9:11:22am

re: #1074 Wyatt Earp

Link to the voting.

What I don't get is this - at any given time there are 3000 folks reading LGF, yet in many days of voting only 2000 votes have been cast for LGF. WTF?

1141 MandyManners  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 9:11:26am

re: #1090 buzzsawmonkey

What you said.

1142 VegasRick  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 9:11:36am

re: #1135 Dianna

Thanks - Reid's an idiot.

Useful Idiot.

1143 Hard Right  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 9:11:39am

re: #1086 rawmuse

Go after semi-automatics? That is like about 70 percent of all guns.

That's why.

1144 Pietr  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 9:12:11am

Been trying to catch up this thread for 2 hours-and getting further behind! G'Mornin', Lizard Nation (whether ya beez pink or green), and all honcos. It's 57, breezy with Sunshine, today in San Antone. Israel needs to demand inspectors of their own on ALL incoming AID. IMHO.

1145 FrogMarch  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 9:12:19am

re: #1095 albusteve

who woulda thought mountain lions would be a problem 30 yrs ago?

Boulder is nestled right up against the foothills - so we have all sorts of wildlife.
Coyotes, Mountain lions, fox, deer, bears...

I live in eastern Boulder near open space and we see most of that list.
Although - western Boulder is the real zoo.

1146 Nevergiveup  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 9:12:29am

re: #1136 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

I've said before that Obama is the Sanjaya of American politics - he's gotten this far based on his non-threatening exotic looks but has no discernible talent.

Well he is a trained Neurosurgeon and did help save the lives of our Military when embedded with the "Devil Docs" so I might not go that far.

1147 Wyatt Earp  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 9:12:44am

re: #1140 unrealizedviewpoint

What I don't get is this - at any given time there are 3000 folks reading LGF, yet in many days of voting only 2000 votes have been cast for LGF. WTF?

For my part, I have voted three times. I can vote from my work computer later this afternoon, too. But yes, it is puzzling that the results are low.

1148 yma o hyd  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 9:12:45am

re: #1098 Kenneth

My hunch is Sarkozy is just playing diplomatic rope-a-dope with the UN. We all knew the UN will be clamoring for "peace" the minute Israel acted to defend herself from the Hamas terrorists. Sarkozy is pretty tight with Bush, but the US cannot play the role of "honest broker". That's a job for morally nuanced France to play. Sarkozy & the Egyptians will keep this up long enough for Israel to finish the job on Hamas.

I hope you're right!

And lets not forget that there will be 'Gloire pour la Patrie', and for Sarkozy, if this gets off the ground - after Israel has finished off Hamas, naturally!

1149 CIA Reject  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 9:12:53am

re: #1116 tackle

Sanjay Gupta. (No, not that crazy American Idol contestant Sanjaya.) Nevergiveup had a link to Malkin that discusses his qualifications. Plus, he was one of People's "Sexiest Men Alive"!

Great! Now, on top of everything else, I've got the sneaking suspicion that BO is about to sick the "Health Nazis" on us...

SHEESH!

1150 Kragar  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 9:12:58am

re: #1133 Nevergiveup

On BBC there is a UN relief worker complaining they did not get enough trucks in. Also complaining about only 3 hours.

I guess Hamas wasn't able to pay them off or steal enough in the 3 hours.

1151 tackle  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 9:12:59am

re: #1127 Kenneth

Breaking: Obama has changed his mind & picked a different TV doctor for surgeon general.

I was pulling for Dr. Dean O'Dell.

1152 MandyManners  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 9:13:06am

re: #1127 Kenneth

Breaking: Obama has changed his mind & picked a different TV doctor for surgeon general.

I hope he's not a proctologist.

1153 albusteve  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 9:13:12am

re: #1128 jwb7605

Four miles east, I like my town. Biggest issues are "pay as you throw" garbage collection (I personally lobbied my council member in favor of it), and whether non-resident library users should get "free" library cards.

I left my little Rockwellian town almost ten tears ago...I worked ard with the Ladies Library Assn to get funding for a new wing...used to go to the town meetings etc...good times

1154 aussiemagpie  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 9:13:13am

re: #1130 yochanan

politicians, crooks, islamists, jihadists, commies and fascists lots of different kinds of snake.

some politicans are lower than snakes snakes crawl on there own belly the politicans aren't so picky

Too right! No wonder people are so cynical these days

1155 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 9:13:39am

re: #1125 Harry Tuttle

McCain lost this. My question is why? Why did he end up the guy? Why didn't he run this to win?

I fear we have been had, but the left and the right.

I wonder the same thing. I can blame it all on incompetence, bad education, and watching too much TV, or I can go all paranoid and find some vast conspiracy to blame it on. However, I won't blame it on the Jooos, because we're going to be screwed by this, I fear. And the liberal Jews were just as mislead as other people.

1156 Kenneth  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 9:14:03am

re: #1118 Iron Fist

In her mind, al-Qaeda doesn't exist, but she still wants them to win.

1157 Hard Right  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 9:14:27am

re: #1123 FrogMarch

Never a dull moment.

One of my neighbors used to work for the Division of Wildlife. He has great stories to tell. One in particular is an incident where they found a dead mountain lion on the road (killed by a car) and it gave them an opportunity to do an autopsy. What was inside the Mountain Lion?...

wait for it...


house cats.

The coyotes are the cat predators here in AZ.

1158 albusteve  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 9:14:28am

re: #1140 unrealizedviewpoint

What I don't get is this - at any given time there are 3000 folks reading LGF, yet in many days of voting only 2000 votes have been cast for LGF. WTF?

there are enemies about...
mal de ojo

1159 Erik The Red  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 9:14:38am

re: #1147 Wyatt Earp

For my part, I have voted three times. I can vote from my work computer later this afternoon, too. But yes, it is puzzling that the results are low.

I have voted 6 times and will continue to do so until the poll closes. I also can't understand why LGF is coming 3rd.

1160 unrealizedviewpoint  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 9:14:51am

re: #1137 tackle

Apparently the AG needed more time to get through all of the evidence and an extension was granted.

Makes sense. Thanks!

1161 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 9:14:53am

re: #1104 albusteve

lock and load...you cant live forever

The thing the gun-grabbers are betting on is that most people will want to avoid confrontation and the will of the rest can be broken with a few shows of force and MSM propaganda. Life as an outlaw is quite unpleasant, and most gun owners, whatever they might say, will hand in their guns if the government shows itself in earnest about taking them.

1162 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 9:15:04am

re: #1133 Nevergiveup

On BBC there is a UN relief worker complaining they did not get enough trucks in. Also complaining about only 3 hours.

Then he should tell Hamas to wait longer before launching rockets.
Or maybe the UN should keep Hamas from setting up launchers, and other weapons, in the UN schools.

1163 yochanan  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 9:15:09am

re: #942 Kenneth

I know. A lefty family member said to me a few days ago, "All this can be solved if the Iranians just hurry up an nuke Israel." I was shocked and horrified. I pointed out that "the final solution was tried before, & that the Arabs have for the past 60 years been trying to destroy Israel and kill all the Jews. Yet for some reason the Israelis, arrogant Joos that they are, refuse to lay down and be slaughtered. There will be no second holocaust. If Iran were to fire a missile at Israel, then Israel would retaliate with 50 missiles of her own." She then said, "Well there's no proof the Iranians are even building a bomb, it's all more lies from Bush."

How can a rational brain hold those two contradictory ideas? There you have it: a leftist will simultaneously wish for a second holocaust while denying it will happen. Hatred invites evil which destroys minds & souls.

And I am still sickened & appalled by the revelation of the true character of this person I have known and loved for 25 years.

I WOULD HAVE GIVEN THIS CREEP A 5 OF ♣

1164 albusteve  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 9:15:16am

re: #1152 MandyManners

I hope he's not a proctologist.

Dr Kildare?...hahaha...wouldnt doubt it

1165 Kenneth  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 9:15:56am

re: #1148 yma o hyd

If this was Chirac, I would be sure France was working for Hamas. Not so Sarkozy. He really has the changed political orientation of his country.

1166 realwest  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 9:15:57am

re: #1032 Honorary Yooper
Hi there HY! Discovery channel had a special that contained, amonst other interesting tid-bits of info on winter, that mosquito eggs have built in "anti-freeze"!
That's why THOSE sonsofbitches never die off!

1167 lawhawk  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 9:15:59am

Jews for Jihad. Or is it Juice for Jihad. Whatever. They're fricking loons who consort with Ahmadinejad and support Israel's destruction; therefore they are prominently featured at every anti-Israel demonstration.

1168 OldLineTexan  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 9:16:14am

re: #1152 MandyManners

I hope he's not a proctologist.

Why? The country is really going to need one.

1169 jwb7605  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 9:16:19am

re: #1135 Dianna

Thanks - Reid's an idiot.

I scrolled past that link the first time.
highlights:

MR. GREGORY: Mm-hmm.
MR. GREGORY: Right.
MR. GREGORY: Mm-hmm.
MR. GREGORY: Right.
MR. GREGORY: Right.
MR. GREGORY: Mm-hmm.

Excellent link, and one of those where the printed word is instructive. I'm guessing the video interview came across differently.

1170 Hard Right  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 9:16:22am

re: #1125 Harry Tuttle

McCain lost this. My question is why? Why did he end up the guy? Why didn't he run this to win?

I fear we have been had, but the left and the right.

Bush gives us Hank Paulson who talks of total melt down if he does not get 700 bazillion dollars to buy distressed mortgages and then turns around and gives that money directly to the banks. How far is this from treasonous?

McCain the guy no one really wants won't even call out his opponent on real issues (Wright/Ayers/Rezko), and then loses.

Fraud in Ill senate seat appointment, fraud in MN senate race.

They are coming for your guns, your healthcare and your 401k's.

And all the proles care about is American Idle.

Buying ammo as fast as I can...

1171 turn  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 9:16:34am

re: #1071 Kenneth

She isn't liberal, she's a socialist. And I have learned she is not really anti-nuke or pro-peace. She wants Iran to nuke Israel. She wants Hamas to win the war.

She probably likes Jimmah then. Maybe a Habitats for Humanity volunteer. Whatever, unbelievable.

1172 unrealizedviewpoint  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 9:16:45am

re: #1147 Wyatt Earp

For my part, I have voted three times. I can vote from my work computer later this afternoon, too. But yes, it is puzzling that the results are low.

One man, one vote. Lizards are honorable.

1173 jwb7605  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 9:16:55am

re: #1142 VegasRick

Useful Idiot.

Stick with Dianna's first impression.

1174 Spare O'Lake  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 9:18:16am

re: #1152 MandyManners

I hope he's not a proctologist.

Now that is a low blow...or something.

1175 OldLineTexan  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 9:18:18am

re: #1157 Hard Right

The coyotes are the cat predators here in AZ.

My wife's sis and bro-in-law live in Palmdale, CA, and it's the same deal there. Her cat (a really sweet indoor kitty) bolted outdoors one evening and was never seen again. They live right at the desert's edge on a hill...on visits, I sit on the porch early to watch the roadrunners, coyotes, etc. come down to drink out of the neighbor's lawn sprinklers. ;)

1176 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 9:18:20am

re: #1146 Nevergiveup

Well he is a trained Neurosurgeon and did help save the lives of our Military when embedded with the "Devil Docs" so I might not go that far.

Sanjaya, not Dr. Sanjay Gupta. Know the difference!
/also, neither should be confused with Sanjay Nahasapeetapetalam.

1177 lifeofthemind  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 9:18:21am

It is possible that on the 20th Obama will announce that Israel will have to do something and that Israel will reply F*** You. Then things will get interesting.
The fact is that Israel has the capacity to defend itself against anyone and to impoverish any enemy. Their biggest weakness in the worst case scenario, NATO blockade, is that they have to few submarines.

1178 aussiemagpie  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 9:19:14am

Goodnight {everyone} and have a great yesterday!

1179 _RememberTonyC  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 9:19:42am

they just showed a photo op in the oval office of obama, bush 41 and 43, clinton, and jimmy carter. while i can find something good to say about the first 4 names i mentioned, i cannot think of one good thing to say about carter. i get physically ill whenever i see that motherfu*ker.

1180 albusteve  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 9:19:52am

re: #1161 Dark_Falcon

The thing the gun-grabbers are betting on is that most people will want to avoid confrontation and the will of the rest can be broken with a few shows of force and MSM propaganda. Life as an outlaw is quite unpleasant, and most gun owners, whatever they might say, will hand in their guns if the government shows itself in earnest about taking them.

I've had hard times...I'm down to one shotgun and a coupla dozen boxes of ammo...I've sewed up all my obligations and have dropped of the radar...I hope I have the guts to resist...I hate the feds and have zero to lose...I'll be a hero!...heh...big talk eh?

1181 Hard Right  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 9:19:56am

re: #1161 Dark_Falcon

The thing the gun-grabbers are betting on is that most people will want to avoid confrontation and the will of the rest can be broken with a few shows of force and MSM propaganda. Life as an outlaw is quite unpleasant, and most gun owners, whatever they might say, will hand in their guns if the government shows itself in earnest about taking them.

Well, the fudds and the average joe gun owner will give them up. The hard core ones will not without a fight.

1182 [deleted]  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 9:19:56am
1183 FrogMarch  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 9:19:58am

re: #1169 jwb7605

Excellent link, and one of those where the printed word is instructive. I'm guessing the video interview came across differently.

Harry Reid needs to go.

1184 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 9:21:52am

re: #1175 OldLineTexan

My wife's sis and bro-in-law live in Palmdale, CA, and it's the same deal there. Her cat (a really sweet indoor kitty) bolted outdoors one evening and was never seen again. They live right at the desert's edge on a hill...on visits, I sit on the porch early to watch the roadrunners, coyotes, etc. come down to drink out of the neighbor's lawn sprinklers. ;)

We've even seen coyotes here in the Chicago suburbs. I saw one creep around the edges of a herd of deer last year. The deer kept their fawns clustered in the center for protection.

1185 Spare O'Lake  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 9:22:48am

re: #1177 lifeofthemind

It is possible that on the 20th Obama will announce that Israel will have to do something and that Israel will reply F*** You. Then things will get interesting.
The fact is that Israel has the capacity to defend itself against anyone and to impoverish any enemy. Their biggest weakness in the worst case scenario, NATO blockade, is that they have to few submarines.

I think Canada has some old British subs that don't work.
Maybe Israel would like to take them off our hands?
/*joke*/

1186 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 9:23:13am

re: #1179 _RememberTonyC

they just showed a photo op in the oval office of obama, bush 41 and 43, clinton, and jimmy carter. while i can find something good to say about the first 4 names i mentioned, i cannot think of one good thing to say about carter. i get physically ill whenever i see that motherfu*ker.

Carter makes Clinton look like a true statesman.

1187 Harry Tuttle  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 9:23:39am

re: #1155 Kosh's Shadow

I wonder the same thing. I can blame it all on incompetence, bad education, and watching too much TV, or I can go all paranoid and find some vast conspiracy to blame it on. However, I won't blame it on the Jooos, because we're going to be screwed by this, I fear. And the liberal Jews were just as mislead as other people.

Two party evil money cult.

1188 Hard Right  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 9:23:40am

re: #1175 OldLineTexan

My wife's sis and bro-in-law live in Palmdale, CA, and it's the same deal there. Her cat (a really sweet indoor kitty) bolted outdoors one evening and was never seen again. They live right at the desert's edge on a hill...on visits, I sit on the porch early to watch the roadrunners, coyotes, etc. come down to drink out of the neighbor's lawn sprinklers. ;)

I love Road Runners. Very cool and laid back birds. We had two where I worked. One day as I walked by a mini-van I looked over at the top of it, and there was a RR sunning itself. It looked at me calmly as if to say, "Hey dude. What's up?" It didn't move an inch despite being maybe a foot away from me. The other later ran up to mooch food from me.

1189 Ben Hur  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 9:23:52am

re: #862 Kenneth

Please see my #702 & #739 above. Chris Gunness is running cover for Hamas.


Christopher Gunness of the UN Relief and Works Agency, responsible for the school, said the agency was "99.9 percent certain there were no militants or military activity in its school."

OK.

The spokesman I heard this morning was NOT Christopher Gunness, and he said the EXACT same thing.

They obviously have sent out the talking points, obviously there was no "initial investigation" by the UN and UNWRA is actively covering for Hamas and actively PARTICIPATING in the Hamas war against Israel.

1190 realwest  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 9:24:42am

re: #1080 Iron Fist
Yeah, but it wasn't much pork; West Virginia is still one of the poorest states with very high unemployment.
Think Appalachia my friend.

1191 albusteve  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 9:24:45am

re: #1188 Hard Right

I love Road Runners. Very cool and laid back birds. We had two where I worked. One day as I walked by a mini-van I looked over at the top of it, and there was a RR sunning itself. It looked at me calmly as if to say, "Hey dude. What's up?" It didn't move an inch despite being maybe a foot away from me. The other later ran up to mooch food from me.

NM state bird ...we love those guys down here

1192 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 9:25:09am

re: #1181 Hard Right

Well, the fudds and the average joe gun owner will give them up. The hard core ones will not without a fight.

The grabbers have always figured that the hard core will need Bill Ayers-style reeducation, and they are prepared to provide it.

1193 OldLineTexan  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 9:25:17am

re: #1189 Ben Hur

OK.

The spokesman I heard this morning was NOT Christopher Gunness, and he said the EXACT same thing.

They obviously have sent out the talking points, obviously there was no "initial investigation" by the UN and UNWRA is actively covering for Hamas and actively PARTICIPATING in the Hamas war against Israel.

I heard someone repeat that lie with a British accent. Pricks are even prick-ier with a British accent.

1194 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 9:26:02am

re: #1191 albusteve

NM state bird ...we love those guys down here

Meep-meep!

1195 OldLineTexan  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 9:26:28am

re: #1194 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Meep-meep!

Sure. Now type that tongue sound that comes next...

/

1196 [deleted]  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 9:27:19am
1197 realwest  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 9:27:49am

re: #1088 turn

Anybody here follow that Small Dead Animals blog? I didn't know anything about it until yesterday.

IIRC, it's a Canadian blog - and I was arguing for LGF; apparently small dead animals didn't make it into best of Canadian blogs.
Check it out for yourself.

1198 albusteve  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 9:29:16am

re: #1194 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Meep-meep!

people mix up this burger stuff to attract them...I have over an acre and they feast on the lizards around here...you gotta see them chase one of those down and you realize why they made cartoons about them...

1199 [deleted]  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 9:31:14am
1200 albusteve  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 9:32:17am

re: #1196 Iron Fist

I can't disagree with you. The bailout bullshit is going to wind up costing the better part of nearly a year of GDP. That's an unreal nuumber. We really can't grasp the magnitude of money spent on this scale. At the very least, you can count on a round of hyper-inflation from all the new money in the system.

I don't know that there was any conspiracy to get McCain into the top spot, although it is pretty common knowlege that Democrats crossing party lines to vote for him was a significant portion of the votes he got. He wasn't even on my short list of people I wanted for the office. I voted for him only because I was convinced (and am convinced) that Obama wouold be a far worse President.

Neither party fielded any really impressive candidates this time around. McCain just sucked less than Obama.

I'm reading all these posts but I'm just too depressed to comment...there is stuff happening over our heads...one thing for sure the feds are coming and they have all the cards this time...I'm worried and I'm a pretty easy goin optimistic guy

1201 realwest  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 9:34:01am

re: #1159 Erik The Red
The other night a few "lizards" were saying they were voting on alternate days for LGF and Small Dead Animals - which I think is a Canadian blog and others were saying they weren't voting for LGF because of the Creationist/ID threads, the neo-nazi threads the...well pick your own favorite. Bunch of mutts.
Come to LGF and insult the host of this blog ON his blog. I told 'em off but don't recall getting much support on it.
If you like LGF go vote for us, if you don't like LGF the most of any blogs, just don't say it out here.

1202 Kenneth  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 9:34:22am

re: #1189 Ben Hur

OK.

The spokesman I heard this morning was NOT Christopher Gunness, and he said the EXACT same thing.

They obviously have sent out the talking points, obviously there was no "initial investigation" by the UN and UNWRA is actively covering for Hamas and actively PARTICIPATING in the Hamas war against Israel.

Really?! Wow, that's a good catch. This school incident is looking very much like a setup from the beginning, not just an unfortunate accident.

Charles should run a thread on this!

1203 jwb7605  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 9:35:49am

re: #1199 Iron Fist

The same old "The Holocaust didn't happen, but why didn't Hitler finish the job" bullshit. Those kind of people scare me. They are the kind of fanatical true believers that totalitarian States rely on to keep the population under their thumb.

Mutually exclusive statements.

1204 realwest  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 9:35:53am

re: #1178 aussiemagpie
LOL! Goodnight {aussie}!

1205 jwb7605  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 9:36:36am

"I prefer the term Overlord".
Yup, that's Charles. I've never heard him.

1206 Harry Tuttle  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 9:37:30am

re: #1196 Iron Fist

I can't disagree with you. The bailout bullshit is going to wind up costing the better part of nearly a year of GDP. That's an unreal nuumber. We really can't grasp the magnitude of money spent on this scale. At the very least, you can count on a round of hyper-inflation from all the new money in the system.

I don't know that there was any conspiracy to get McCain into the top spot, although it is pretty common knowlege that Democrats crossing party lines to vote for him was a significant portion of the votes he got. He wasn't even on my short list of people I wanted for the office. I voted for him only because I was convinced (and am convinced) that Obama wouold be a far worse President.

Neither party fielded any really impressive candidates this time around. McCain just sucked less than Obama.

Why did it have to happen at that exact time? Why were gasoline prices so high at that time? Why did Paulson lie to us? Why did Bush give the keys to the money supply to this wall street captain? Was that the move of a conservative?

It doesn't need to be a big conspiracy with men in black and all of that, still there exist powerful men who make these decisions.

McCain was *exactly* the right candidate to lose to Obama.

Just because I am paranoid doesn't mean that they aren't out to get me.

1207 Hard Right  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 9:38:21am

re: #1191 albusteve

NM state bird ...we love those guys down here

We wound up picking the cactus wren. WTH?
re: #1192 Dark_Falcon

The grabbers have always figured that the hard core will need Bill Ayers-style reeducation, and they are prepared to provide it.

So be it. We shall not go quietly or easily.

1208 [deleted]  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 9:41:29am
1209 realwest  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 9:43:17am

re: #1208 Iron Fist
I appreciate where you're coming from Fist, but I sincerly pray that we'll never have another Civil War.
But if we do, we'll just have to get our guns from the enemy.
Really not that hard to do.

1210 zosthrowin  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 11:10:24am

Too much worrying about the President-elect. He didn't get where he did as quick as he did taking bold action. He will be far more moderate than you suspect...


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