A Soldier’s Mother on the UN School Incident

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Middle East • Wed Jan 7, 2009 at 9:12 am PST • Views: 191

A heartfelt and insightful post on the Gaza UN school incident, at A Soldier’s Mother: The Images they Show…

This is the point none of the media will make:

Yesterday, mortars were fired FROM the school In Jebalya. This was a direct and intentional attack on Israel, on Israel’s soldiers and population. Mortars are explosions. They are loud. You can’t pretend you didn’t hear them. Many months ago, I went to a ceremony on a base where Elie had completed his basic training. Part of the ceremony included Elie’s group showing their parents what they had learned. After the awards and the talking, some of the soldiers ran to the armored personnel vehicles, while others, including Elie sat on the ground and watched. An officer came near me, as I stood watching with my youngest daughter. He told me to sit down with the girl “on your lap.” So, we sat down, as the soldiers were doing. As another officer was explaining to the crowd about the types of explosives that would be fired, where they would be targeting (the hill a few kilometers in the distance), etc. I saw the soldiers stick their fingers in their ears.

I thought to myself - they’ve been doing this - they know. So I told my daughter to do the same…quickly. She did, and so did I. Except - then I couldn’t hear the explanation and so I uncovered my ears. Now, I’ve lived in Israel more than 15 years, but there is still sometimes a delay factor in my Hebrew comprehension. Now they are going to fire…took me too long and so, I heard and felt the BOOM as the cannons fired.

Everyone in that building yesterday KNEW that the school was being used as a launching ground…and yet, apparently not one of those thought it would be a smart thing to leave. That seems strange to me, unnatural. I was once in Jerusalem, walking with my two daughters when something “exploded” ahead of me. Everyone around me stopped, as I did. It was a bus hitting something that went flying in the air and crashed loudly into something else. People began to move and yet I stood there, unsure what to do. It should be both human instinct and parental instinct to move away from danger.

And the people who now mourn the “innocents” who died in yesterday’s attack on the United Nations school don’t question why people remained in the building from which these weapons were fired. They don’t question that this defies human instinct and certainly what should have been every parent’s first reaction.

Read the whole thing…

(Hat tip: Snapped Shot.)

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1 doppelganglander  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 9:14:46am

They love death. Question answered.

2 MandyManners  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 9:15:36am
Everyone in that building yesterday KNEW that the school was being used as a launching ground...and yet, apparently not one of those thought it would be a smart thing to leave.

I'm thinking that Hamas forced them to stay there.

3 Sizzlack  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 9:16:16am

Dan Gillerman's quote from last week:

"If you go to sleep with a rocket, don't be surprised if you don't wake up".

4 Kragar  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 9:16:25am

The people in the school either chose to stay there or were forced to stay there. Either way, they're dead because of Hamas, not the IDF.

5 [deleted]  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 9:16:26am
6 VegasRick  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 9:16:26am

They don’t question that this defies human instinct and certainly what should have been every parent’s first reaction.
'nuff said.

7 Nevergiveup  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 9:16:33am

What does common sense have to do with this?
/

8 Wyatt Earp  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 9:16:42am

She is exactly right. When I got out of the police academy, it took me weeks to teach myself to run toward the direction of gunfire. It is not a natural move, which makes the decision to stay inside that school puzzling, and infuriating.

9 Nevergiveup  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 9:16:51am

re: #3 Sizzlack

Dan Gillerman's quote from last week:

"If you go to sleep with a rocket, don't be surprised if you don't wake up".

I love that quote

10 [deleted]  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 9:16:57am
11 rawmuse  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 9:16:57am

They are no innocent bystanders, the people knew darned well what was going on in that school. They more than likely voted for Hamas. They are complicit.

12 VegasRick  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 9:17:40am

re: #11 rawmuse

They are no innocent bystanders, the people knew darned well what was going on in that school. They more than likely voted for Hamas. They are complicit.

Bingo!

13 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 9:17:41am

re: #1 doppelganglander

They love death. Question answered.

They were also probably prevented from leaving by Hamas. Hamas wants children to die so they can be used for propaganda. Hamas knows neither shame, nor pity, nor mercy.

Hamas Delenda Est.

14 brakes  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 9:18:07am

The only innocents are the children.

15 Nevergiveup  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 9:18:25am

Showing all 5 Presidents on Fox now. Carter looks so small, in so many ways.

16 Carl in Jerusalem  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 9:19:25am

Congratulations Paula.

You just made it to the big leagues.

-- Adina's husband :-)

17 Purre  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 9:19:38am

re: #2 MandyManners

I'm thinking that Hamas forced them to stay there.

My thoughts exactly. And like Dark_Falcon says: "Hamas delenda est."

18 Sizzlack  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 9:19:47am

re: #15 Nevergiveup

Showing all 5 Presidents on Fox now. Carter looks so small, in so many ways.

Pretty sure he's at the age where he is shrinking.

19 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 9:20:44am

In a civilized world, Hamas would be considered worse than Nazis, and Israel would be cheered on for exterminating Hamas. (Not all the Palestinians; just Hamas and their real supporters.)
There would be plenty of support coming in to Israel, and psychologists would be working on how to deprogram the children of Gaza from the Hamas propaganda and programming that makes them hate Jews enough to kill themselves in order to kill Jews.

I don't see any of this happening.

20 Wyatt Earp  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 9:20:52am

re: #18 Sizzlack

Pretty sure he's at the age where he is shrinking becoming even more irrelevant.

FTFY

21 Sizzlack  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 9:21:26am

re: #20 Wyatt Earp

FTFY

Much appreciated : )

22 Last Mohican  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 9:21:29am

It's quite possible that Hamas forcibly prevented people from obeying their natural impulse to seek safety and leaving the school. Getting Arab civilians killed, for the PR value, is part of their usual strategy.

What's really bizarre to me is the fact that the Arabs whose families are killed or put in danger by this practice still support Hamas. I support the U.S. Army, and I'm grateful that it exists to protect me. But if the U.S. Army started strapping my young children to its tanks, hoping to get them blown to bits for the PR value, I would no longer support the U.S. Army.

23 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 9:21:35am

The propaganda that flows hourly from Gaza would make Josef Goebbels green with envy for the sheer audacity.

24 Dianna  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 9:21:40am

I desperately need coffee, because I'm blanking out as I read this.

25 Kragar  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 9:22:27am

AP shilling for Hamas with blatant BS sob stories:

AP Gaza reporter finds hometown in rubble

GAZA CITY, Gaza Strip (AP) — I live alone in my office. My wife and two young children moved in with her father after our apartment was shattered. The neighborhood mosque, where I have prayed since I was a child, had its roof blown off. All the government buildings on my beat have been obliterated.

After days of Israeli shelling, the city and life I have known no longer exist.

26 Kenneth  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 9:22:35am

Storing munitions in the school = violation of Geneva Conventions.
Using the school to fire mortars into Israel = violation of Geneva Conventions.
Bringing civilians into the school/military base = violation of Geneva Conventions.
Firing mortars from the school at IDF = violation of Geneva Conventions.

IDF returning fire = in keeping with Geneva Conventions.

27 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 9:23:08am

re: #18 Sizzlack

Pretty sure he's at the age where he is shrinking.

There was significant shrinkage!

28 debutaunt  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 9:23:11am

re: #18 Sizzlack

Pretty sure he's at the age where he is shrinking.

No moral center to hold back the collapse.

29 Nevergiveup  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 9:23:36am

9:06 `Joe the Plumber` to become war correspondent in Israel for conservative web site (AP)

OK. I don't get it, but OK.

30 Kragar  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 9:23:40am

re: #26 Kenneth

Storing munitions in the school = violation of Geneva Conventions.
Using the school to fire mortars into Israel = violation of Geneva Conventions.
Bringing civilians into the school/military base = violation of Geneva Conventions.
Firing mortars from the school at IDF = violation of Geneva Conventions.

IDF returning fire = in keeping with Geneva Conventions.

Self Defense while Jewish = violation of the UN convention

31 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 9:23:44am

re: #26 Kenneth

Storing munitions in the school = violation of Geneva Conventions.
Using the school to fire mortars into Israel = violation of Geneva Conventions.
Bringing civilians into the school/military base = violation of Geneva Conventions.
Firing mortars from the school at IDF = violation of Geneva Conventions.

IDF returning fire = in keeping with Geneva Conventions.

Facts such as the above will always gets ignored when one has an agenda, especially if it is antisemitic.

32 yma o hyd  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 9:24:01am

re: #16 Carl in Jerusalem

Hiya - thanks for your blog, especially now!

33 Look At My New Grandbaby!  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 9:24:23am

re: #25 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

GAZA CITY, Gaza Strip (AP) — I live alone in my office. My wife and two young children moved in with her father after our apartment was shattered. The neighborhood mosque, where I have prayed since I was a child, had its roof blown off. All the government buildings on my beat have been obliterated.

After days of Israeli shelling, the city and life I have known no longer exist.

Dear Hamas shill: Sux 2BU

34 turn  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 9:25:03am

"They don’t question that this defies human instinct and certainly what should have been every parent’s first reaction"

This would imply the Pali terrorists are human, wrong.

35 Last Mohican  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 9:25:05am

re: #30 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Self Defense while Jewish = violation of the UN convention

FTFY

36 [deleted]  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 9:25:19am
37 MandyManners  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 9:25:20am

re: #11 rawmuse

They are no innocent bystanders, the people knew darned well what was going on in that school. They more than likely voted for Hamas. They are complicit.

If someone has grabbed your child by his/her ear to force him/her to stay, what would you do? Stay there to do what you can to protect your child or, run?

38 Pyrocles  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 9:25:23am

The parents "know" that their children go straight to Paradise if killed as collateral damage during holy war. It's all in their ideology. The deaths of their children are bitter sweet.

re: #22 Last Mohican

It's quite possible that Hamas forcibly prevented people from obeying their natural impulse to seek safety and leaving the school. Getting Arab civilians killed, for the PR value, is part of their usual strategy.

What's really bizarre to me is the fact that the Arabs whose families are killed or put in danger by this practice still support Hamas. I support the U.S. Army, and I'm grateful that it exists to protect me. But if the U.S. Army started strapping my young children to its tanks, hoping to get them blown to bits for the PR value, I would no longer support the U.S. Army.

39 Purre  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 9:25:39am

I have mortar training from FDF (Finnish Defence Forces) and our training was pretty much opposite to Hamas'. We were trained to make our firing positions far from any target that we'd like to stay intact when the (almost) inevitable counterbattery fire would come. Then we'd shoot and scoot. Hit and run before enemy fire would get us. Hamas may have also that shoot and scoot part in them, but evidently they don't consider their positions by same virtues as we do. Of course we knew that before, so this is just one more evidence on already huge pile.

40 toadbelly  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 9:25:56am

I think it's likely that any "civilians" in the school were there by force. We've seen this before, they did the same in the Lebanon war and children were killed. Hamas' primary tactic is to have Israel kill civilians, that is their plan.

41 jcbunga  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 9:25:59am

Protester Calls for Jews to 'Go Back to the Oven' at Anti-Israel Demonstration
[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

"Lopez, a state coordinator for ANSWER, admitted there is a problem with anti-Semitism within his organization's ranks. But then he went on to call the supporters of Israel across the street "barbaric, racist" Zionist terrorists. "Zionism in general is a barbaric, racist movement that really is the cause of the situation in the entire Middle East,"

There is not enough duct tape in the World to keep my head intact trying to fathom logic like that.

42 cathypop  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 9:25:59am

I am convinced that Hamas treats children as disposable. Easily replaced. DISGUSTING!

43 cartoonboy  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 9:26:25am

The Big Lie is being used very effectively by the islamists againts the Jews to cover for their own atrocities and to garner the West's sympathy. They attempt to hide the Hitlerian source of their method by turning it on its head and calling Jews nazis.
Besides simply demonizing Jews this way, it also aims to erase any sympathy non-Jews might have towards the holocaust and the present day extermination drive by Iran+co by neatly reversing the culpability.

44 rawmuse  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 9:26:36am

re: #37 MandyManners

If someone has grabbed your child by his/her ear to force him/her to stay, what would you do? Stay there to do what you can to protect your child or, run?

No one grabs my child. No one.

45 chris_l  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 9:26:44am

The Gaza Strip is in area just about 3 times the size of the City of Oshkosh, Wisconsin. Yet they pile over 1.5 million people into that area. The one resource they have in abundance is people. They use that resource to make PR points.

The value of human life is cheap in the Gaza Strip.

46 notutopia  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 9:27:40am

re: #14 brakes

The only innocents are the children.

Did you read this article? Did you look at these pictures?
Do you want to be more specific about whose children are innocents?

47 Sizzlack  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 9:27:56am

re: #41 jcbunga

I got into an argument with someone making statements like that. I told him he was an idiot. He told me he was "educated enough". I responded "So that means half way through 9th grade you had enough?". Those people have less brain cells than Bobby Brown.

48 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 9:28:11am

re: #42 cathypop

I am convinced that Hamas treats children as disposable. Easily replaced. DISGUSTING!

It ain't just Hamas that does that; radical Islam and radical mullahs sanction this as the true path.

49 Kragar  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 9:28:29am

re: #41 jcbunga

Protester Calls for Jews to 'Go Back to the Oven' at Anti-Israel Demonstration
[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

"Lopez, a state coordinator for ANSWER, admitted there is a problem with anti-Semitism within his organization's ranks. But then he went on to call the supporters of Israel across the street "barbaric, racist" Zionist terrorists. "Zionism in general is a barbaric, racist movement that really is the cause of the situation in the entire Middle East,"

There is not enough duct tape in the World to keep my head intact trying to fathom logic like that.

If they're the Answer, it was a fucking stupid question.

50 cathypop  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 9:28:38am

re: #47 Sizzlack

I got into an argument with someone making statements like that. I told him he was an idiot. He told me he was "educated enough". I responded "So that means half way through 9th grade you had enough?". Those people have less brain cells than Bobby Brown.

Their iq is 10 points below plant life

51 jwb7605  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 9:29:18am

re: #44 rawmuse

No one grabs my child. No one.

Apparently that wasn't you when I did that to a kid in the supermarket parking lot. Kid was too short to be seen by the driver backing up, and was watching his mom load groceries.

52 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 9:29:59am

re: #45 chris_l

The Gaza Strip is in area just about 3 times the size of the City of Oshkosh, Wisconsin. Yet they pile over 1.5 million people into that area. The one resource they have in abundance is people. They use that resource to make PR points.

The value of human life is cheap in the Gaza Strip.

Radical Islam values only death; life is not even a part of the equation unless it is used as a means for Jihad and Martyrdom.

53 [deleted]  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 9:30:10am
54 lawhawk  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 9:30:12am

Excellent points.

Here's a few more.

Note the techniques of how Hamas terrorists have fired mortars at Israel in the past. They'll rig a piece of string so that they can fire the mortar at a distance - imagine the comfort of a nearby building or car to shield themselves from the inevitable return fire.

Hamas has fired on Israel from schools in the past.

Combine those two activities, and Hamas is fully culpable for what happened at the schools yesterday. Hamas is knowingly and openly using UNRWA facilities to shield themselves and their terror operations from attacks, and if they get hit - Hamas figures so much the better.

Curiously, there is no photos of the location where the major incident occurred. I find that surprising given that there's plenty of photos of Gaza. Many photos allude to the incident, but none show the scene. Curious.

55 OldLineTexan  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 9:30:19am

re: #51 jwb7605

Apparently that wasn't you when I did that to a kid in the supermarket parking lot. Kid was too short to be seen by the driver backing up, and was watching his mom load groceries.

I always stuffed the kids in the car first.

56 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 9:30:35am

re: #47 Sizzlack

I got into an argument with someone making statements like that. I told him he was an idiot. He told me he was "educated enough". I responded "So that means half way through 9th grade you had enough?". Those people have less brain cells than Bobby Brown.

That's his prerogative.

57 yochanan  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 9:30:52am

A song of Maalot. Out of the depths have I cry to you, O L-rd. L-rd, hear my voice; let your ears be attentive to the voice of my supplications. If you, L-rd should mark iniquities, O L-rd who could stand? But there is forgiveness with you, that you may be feared. I wait for the L-rd, my soul waits, and in his word I hope. Msoul waits for the L-rd more than those who watch for the morning watch for the morning. Let Israel hope in the L-rd;' for with the L-rd there is loving kindness, and with him is bountiful redemption, And he shall redeem Israel from all his iniquities.

G-D BLESS THE I.D.F.

58 Dustyvet  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 9:30:58am

re: #23 FurryOldGuyJeans

The propaganda that flows hourly from Gaza would make Josef Goebbels green with envy for the sheer audacity.

“Think of the press as a great keyboard on which the government can play.”
Josef Goebbels

“The most brilliant propagandist technique will yield no success unless one fundamental principle is borne in mind constantly - it must confine itself to a few points and repeat them over and over”

Josef Goebbels

59 Kragar  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 9:31:03am

re: #56 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

That's his prerogative.

groan

60 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 9:31:16am

re: #30 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Self Defense while Jewish = violation of the UN convention

Its not just that. Careerist politicians are always saying to themselves: "Who can cause trouble on My Watch?" They will ignore wrongs done to Israel because her supporters are law-abiding and if they protest, it is a fairly well-mannered affair. Angry Islamists riot and destroy, thereby creating real problems for politicos. It's Dark Side logic: They do evil because the evil path is, in Yoda's words: "Easier, quicker, more seductive."

61 jwb7605  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 9:31:26am

re: #55 OldLineTexan

I always stuffed the kids in the car first.

That kid's mom probably will in the future, too.

62 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 9:31:37am

re: #41 jcbunga

Protester Calls for Jews to 'Go Back to the Oven' at Anti-Israel Demonstration
[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

"Lopez, a state coordinator for ANSWER, admitted there is a problem with anti-Semitism within his organization's ranks. But then he went on to call the supporters of Israel across the street "barbaric, racist" Zionist terrorists. "Zionism in general is a barbaric, racist movement that really is the cause of the situation in the entire Middle East,"

There is not enough duct tape in the World to keep my head intact trying to fathom logic like that.

An agenda, especially when it is antisemitic, always trumps logic and truth.

63 Nevergiveup  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 9:31:43am

re: #55 OldLineTexan

I always stuffed the kids in the car first.

Then how do you get the groceries in?
/

64 rawmuse  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 9:31:49am

re: #51 jwb7605

Amended. No one grabs my child with hostile intent, or there doing forfeits their life.

65 OldLineTexan  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 9:32:26am

re: #63 Nevergiveup

Then how do you get the groceries in?
/

Wait, is this one of those fox/goose/cheese logic puzzles?

//

66 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 9:32:26am

It doesn't matter what this mother writes. Oh yes, it matters to us, here. It matters to people who have grown up with understanding the history of the world, the wars, the people involved, the fears and the tears.

But most of us do not count anymore. We have grown older and have been replaced by a younger cadre of citizens who has never been taught the history of the last 200 years in any linear, comprehensive way, a way that lays out the facts.

Instead, they have been given a foundation, in the simplest terms, a foundation that says "Can't we all get along?"

From there, then, the rest of the history and conflicts and "facts" are laid on that foundation, which of course, is a foundation meant to support multiculturalism and political correctness.

How did this happen? Simple, look at our education system, most of the problem starts there. Look at our news media, a support system for what is taught in the schools. And then popular entertainment, engraining a doctrine of instant gratification, voting a person in or out of your life along with the babbling of "A list" entertainers playing the part of deep thinkers on world issues, instead of keeping their mouth shuts unless a director says "rolling, speed."

We missed the revolution. It was happening right under our noses. We kept faith that plain truth and historical facts would never fall in the face of evil propaganda.

If this scares you, think of what it will be like in 20 years, when a couple of new generations have graduated and entered the adult world.

We've been keeping the faith too long, keeping it tucked away and not making use of it.

67 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 9:33:02am

re: #53 buzzsawmonkey

Given that practically everyone in Gaza is toting an AK-47, it's surprising how many children are "grabbed" for human-sandbag duty. You'd think Pops would gently suggest that the human-sandbag collectors seek their children elsewhere. And if Pops was one of the few without an AK-47, you'd think maybe he'd blame the human-sandbag collectors.

You keep applying logic and Western ethics to people that think the height of civilization is represented by 7th century desert tribalism.

68 Edward Halper  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 9:33:16am

Another issue is just who was in the building. The media reported that these were people who fled from other places. There have also been a number of stories about Hamas murdering suspected informers (no one in the media seems to think that these people might just deserve a trial). I wonder what became of their families? Could they have been locked in this school by Hamas in order to become targets? Diabolical, but much in keeping with Hamas.

69 FightingBack  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 9:33:34am

It's a cold, brilliant move on their part to use their children as soldiers, because it goes against our very nature, and our ethical system. I recall Israeli soldiers stopping an engagement to transport an infant for medical care (from which side was this infant? You know. Israeli infants are kept far from military action, whenever possible. If possible.) The child casualties also increase their credibility with the gullible general public.
Why haven't these mothers stood up against this? That's part of the burkha, too. They are stripped of their authority as humans, as wives; being one of a group is not the same was being the only mother of offspring in a man's family.

I have no idea why I posted this, but the situation is making me physically ill.
(FB is a pediatrician.)

70 smokefire  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 9:34:34am

The New Testament says something like this

..."woe to those that hurt children, better that they were never born"

I am pretty sure that is says something like that, although I am very sure not exactly like above.

71 notutopia  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 9:34:40am

re: #69 FightingBack

It's a cold, brilliant move on their part to use their children as soldiers, because it goes against our very nature, and our ethical system. I recall Israeli soldiers stopping an engagement to transport an infant for medical care (from which side was this infant? You know. Israeli infants are kept far from military action, whenever possible. If possible.) The child casualties also increase their credibility with the gullible general public.
Why haven't these mothers stood up against this? That's part of the burkha, too. They are stripped of their authority as humans, as wives; being one of a group is not the same was being the only mother of offspring in a man's family.

I have no idea why I posted this, but the situation is making me physically ill.
(FB is a pediatrician.)

Thank YOU! Exactly!

72 Sunlight  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 9:35:00am

If you go to the main page for Soldier's Mother, you'll see that she finally got to talk to her son on the phone. I remember that feeling finally getting to talk to my dad when he was deployed to Southeast Asia for a year, then to Europe for another three months to get started there before we moved over when school got out. Of course, there were no cell phones back then, so it was a scheduled-in-advance, very awkward conversation with a loud "over!" at the end of each sentence. Then a pause while a human operator flipped some switch to allow the conversation to go the other way. I'm thinking the IDF was smart to collect up the cell phones, as many businesses do at the entrance on a workday. I'm wondering if the cell phones add a level of stress to the soldiers who are just getting by minute to minute...

73 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 9:35:04am

re: #64 rawmuse

Amended. No one grabs my child with hostile intent, or there doing forfeits their life.

And the Hamas policy towards parents like you is very simple: They denounce you as a traitor for failing to give all you have to the cause, and then kill you. They are fanatics, morality means nothing to them.

Hamas Delenda Est.

74 sphincter  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 9:35:05am

re: #66 Walter L. Newton

I fear that you are correct in this assessment.

75 rawmuse  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 9:35:11am

re: #70 smokefire

So does Genesis 12.

76 smokefire  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 9:35:42am

re: #75 rawmuse

Thanks for that too.

77 notutopia  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 9:36:06am

The Head Overlord Lizard is speaking to Prager right now!

78 Salamantis  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 9:37:18am

re: #69 FightingBack

It's a cold, brilliant move on their part to use their children as soldiers, because it goes against our very nature, and our ethical system. I recall Israeli soldiers stopping an engagement to transport an infant for medical care (from which side was this infant? You know. Israeli infants are kept far from military action, whenever possible. If possible.) The child casualties also increase their credibility with the gullible general public.
Why haven't these mothers stood up against this? That's part of the burkha, too. They are stripped of their authority as humans, as wives; being one of a group is not the same was being the only mother of offspring in a man's family.

I have no idea why I posted this, but the situation is making me physically ill.
(FB is a pediatrician.)

79 jwb7605  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 9:37:52am

Charles is on the radio with Dennis Prager. (next thread).

80 irongrampa  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 9:37:54am

re: #46 notutopia

Children ARE innocents. It's what they are turned INTO , I think, that gives rise to the feelings of disgust expressed. As always, they suffer, short or long term, from their parents actions.

I submit in 2 generations you could eliminate the problem in Gaza, by isolating them from the parents.

81 toadbelly  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 9:38:06am

re: #54 lawhawk

Specifically, I believe, outlawed by Geneva (not that Hamas is a signatory) also, as someone else pointed out, since Hamas is actively engaged in genocide, it is the our, all civilized nations, obligation to stop them.

82 dhg4  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 9:38:11am

re: #22 Last Mohican

It's quite possible that Hamas forcibly prevented people from obeying their natural impulse to seek safety and leaving the school. Getting Arab civilians killed, for the PR value, is part of their usual strategy.

What's really bizarre to me is the fact that the Arabs whose families are killed or put in danger by this practice still support Hamas. I support the U.S. Army, and I'm grateful that it exists to protect me. But if the U.S. Army started strapping my young children to its tanks, hoping to get them blown to bits for the PR value, I would no longer support the U.S. Army.

There is evidence that Hamas is overplaying its hand. I've noted a couple of cases and there was this recently in the NY Daily News. It's a point that Jeffrey Goldberg made here, too.

So yes they supported Hamas, but that support might be dissipating now that people are becoming aware of the cost. Before the war started, too, Hamas was polling lower than Fatah. Even though Hamas was voted in because they were the "good government terrorists," they've little or nothing to improve the lives of those who live under their rule. And I don't believe the media tripe that Israel's actions have been making Hamas more popular in Gazan's eyes.

83 opinionated  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 9:38:45am

Bizarro World in the comic books or the originality of shows like the Twilight Zone were unique fiction about worlds that are different their our own. Something we immedietely was recognized as not being right. Good guys were bad guys, beautiful was ugly. All the tales told us up front that we were entering a different reality.

It was all fiction.

It becomes real where Jews and Israel are concerned. Self defense gets condemned. The savages are the innocent good guys. Lies become truth.

But one thing never changes in whatever world, real or bizarre. The mainstream media are always on the wrong side.

84 Sunlight  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 9:39:03am

re: #77 notutopia

The Head Overlord Lizard is speaking to Prager right now!

I like listening to Dennis Prager while I'm at the gym, doing laundry, driving... I actually subscribed to get rid of the ads and have it on itunes/ipod. I'll look forward to hearing Charles on today's!

85 Dustyvet  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 9:41:03am

Clerics Intensify Antisemitic Rants Over Gaza Fighting.

86 [deleted]  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 9:41:05am
87 Kenneth  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 9:41:20am

re: #45 chris_l

The Gaza Strip is in area just about 3 times the size of the City of Oshkosh, Wisconsin. Yet they pile over 1.5 million people into that area. The one resource they have in abundance is people.

///That's because of the ongoing genocide.

88 albusteve  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 9:41:54am

re: #66 Walter L. Newton

It doesn't matter what this mother writes. Oh yes, it matters to us, here. It matters to people who have grown up with understanding the history of the world, the wars, the people involved, the fears and the tears.

But most of us do not count anymore. We have grown older and have been replaced by a younger cadre of citizens who has never been taught the history of the last 200 years in any linear, comprehensive way, a way that lays out the facts.

Instead, they have been given a foundation, in the simplest terms, a foundation that says "Can't we all get along?"

From there, then, the rest of the history and conflicts and "facts" are laid on that foundation, which of course, is a foundation meant to support multiculturalism and political correctness.

How did this happen? Simple, look at our education system, most of the problem starts there. Look at our news media, a support system for what is taught in the schools. And then popular entertainment, engraining a doctrine of instant gratification, voting a person in or out of your life along with the babbling of "A list" entertainers playing the part of deep thinkers on world issues, instead of keeping their mouth shuts unless a director says "rolling, speed."

We missed the revolution. It was happening right under our noses. We kept faith that plain truth and historical facts would never fall in the face of evil propaganda.

If this scares you, think of what it will be like in 20 years, when a couple of new generations have graduated and entered the adult world.

We've been keeping the faith too long, keeping it tucked away and not making use of it.

agreed...nice post

89 dhg4  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 9:43:59am

re: #45 chris_l

The Gaza Strip is in area just about 3 times the size of the City of Oshkosh, Wisconsin. Yet they pile over 1.5 million people into that area. The one resource they have in abundance is people. They use that resource to make PR points.

The value of human life is cheap in the Gaza Strip.

And yet parts of it are not as crowded as the MSM would have us believe.

90 cartoonboy  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 9:44:32am

re: #43 cartoonboy

The Big Lie is being used very effectively by the islamists againts the Jews to cover for their own atrocities and to garner the West's sympathy. They attempt to hide the Hitlerian source of their method by turning it on its head and calling Jews nazis. Besides simply demonizing Jews this way, it also aims to both erase sympathy towards Jews and assuage the guilt of anti-semites by neatly reversing the culpability.

91 cartoonboy  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 9:45:19am

Opps-last post was a correction of my prior post.

92 Dustyvet  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 9:46:05am

re: #85 Dustyvet

Clerics Intensify Antisemitic Rants Over Gaza Fighting.


[Video]

93 realwest  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 9:46:31am

re: #26 Kenneth
You are SPOT ON - but it also doesn't matter - world opinion is NOT going to be changed by FACTS. Just like you rarely heard ANYTHING from the MSM about Hamas firing rockets and mortars into Israel territory before the IDF took this action in Gaza.

94 Ojoe  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 9:51:34am

From the article:


I heard a father mourning the death of his son. He blames the Israeli government, and I blame him. "Are you insane?" I want to ask him. "How could you allow your son to be near mortars being fired? What did you think Israel was going to do?" Why didn't you take your son? Why didn't you behave responsibly? It was YOUR job to protect him; to love him enough to keep him safe and it doesn't take a genious to figure out leaving your son in a building from which mortars are being fired in the middle of a war is negligent, stupid, insane, and so so wrong.

I do not think we are dealing with human beings here, in the sense that we understand the term.

That seems harsh, but I think it is true.

95 realwest  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 9:51:53am

re: #26 Kenneth
Oh, and while I'm at it:

Countries all over the world, including the USA, fall all over themselves to provide "humanitarian aid" to Hamas for Hamas to distribute to it's poor starving people, and Hamas takes significant amounts of it for it's leaders and "fighters" and swaps the best of the rest for more rockets, and let's the people Hamas is supposed to be governing starve or die for lack of medical attention.
AND THE MEMBERS OF THE WORLD COMMUNITY KNOW THIS AND GIVE THE "HUMANITARIAN AID" ANYWAY.
FUCK.

96 Kenneth  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 9:54:13am

re: #95 realwest

So true.

97 Montaigne's Cat  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 10:08:34am

The "success" of the infitada is that it has overcome nature and instinct.

98 TheAntichrist  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 10:11:39am

And of course the UN has no idea what is going on in its properties in Gaza, nor do they make the slightest effort to protect them from the conflict. No need to when you can just blame Israel for anything that happens.

99 mcmeador  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 10:16:00am

Charles, I don't know if you've made the point yet about how "innocent" these civilians really are. Just about every single seat in their parliament is held by a member of Hamas or Fatah. Although Fatah isn't officially recognized as a terrorist group, they have undoubtedly been responsible for terrorist attacks. These people have filled their government with terrorists, and we're still supposed to believe they're innocent?

100 Yashmak  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 10:24:45am

re: #99 mcmeador

Charles, I don't know if you've made the point yet about how "innocent" these civilians really are.

Not very, those same civilians overwhelmingly voted Hamas into the position they now occupy.

Bottom line is, Hamas called off the ceasefire. Not Israel. Hamas is confiscating humanitarian aid, not Israel.

Reap the whirlwind, Hamas. I bear you no pity, and have precious little left for those who voted you into office.

101 descolada9  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 10:38:42am

The biggest difference is that the writer of this piece loves life and loves her children and wants them to love and enjoy life. The people of Gaza brought in Hamas, put their kids in mock suicide vests and worship death. Even if Hamas forced them to stay in the building this is what they get for having suckled from the teat of Hamas in the first place.

102 Red Sea Desjardini Tang  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 10:39:10am

Regarding the "school" incident; there are other things I don't understand about all this as well. (/sarc)

How does Egypt get off scott free in the MSM (including Arab) for keeping their border blocked? Why can't aid be sent in that way too?

How does Egypt get away with having dozens of tunnel openings on their territory that only Israel can find?

How does Egypt miss the shipment of thousands of tons of war material to those tunnels?

How does the EU in particular ignore the fact that tens of millions of dollars are available to Hamas for these materials, but the EU/UN send tens of millions for food and job aid anyway?

103 debutaunt  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 10:39:47am

re: #80 irongrampa

Children ARE innocents. It's what they are turned INTO , I think, that gives rise to the feelings of disgust expressed. As always, they suffer, short or long term, from their parents actions.

I submit in 2 generations you could eliminate the problem in Gaza, by isolating them from the parents.

Yahoo news this morning: "Family just now reports child who has been missing since '99."

104 Red Sea Desjardini Tang  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 10:41:11am

re: #95 realwest

what I said.

105 Render  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 10:55:32am

re: #54 lawhawk

I'd say the string firing method was prompted by the number of double-fire incidents/work accidents.

I'm guessing the virgins must be less then impressed with accidental splodydopes. No raisins for screw-ups.

PLUNK,
R

106 TheAntichrist  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 10:59:40am

re: #102 Naso Tang

Don't you know? It's because Israel and the US force them to do it! It's always the fault of the US or Israel to the Islamists and their useful idiots on the left.

107 transient  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 11:01:06am

re: #98 TheAntichrist

And of course the UN has no idea what is going on in its properties in Gaza, nor do they make the slightest effort to protect them from the conflict. No need to when you can just blame Israel for anything that happens.

I wouldn't let them off that easily. I think they know exactly what is going on on their properties. I think they just don't care, because they are sympathetic to the Palestinians. Remember that virtually all UNRWA staff are Palestinian, only high level management are Westerners. In 2004, following revelations that UNRWA employed people affiliated with Hamas, Peter Hansen, then chief of UNRWA said, essentially, "so what?"

Linky.

108 just another four-letter word  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 11:29:13am

re: #46 notutopia

Did you read this article? Did you look at these pictures?
Do you want to be more specific about whose children are innocents?

ALL of the children in those pictures are "innocents" - the (supposed) adults that inculcate this kind of behavior are the ones that are NOT innocent and God will have the final say as to their outcome in the next world! The sins of the fathers are being visited upon the heads of their children...

JAFLW

109 MJBrutus  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 11:33:18am
They don’t question that this defies human instinct and certainly what should have been every parent’s first reaction.

In a society that uses the Jew-killing wabbit featured in Charles' next topic and the rest of their menagerie of hate education characters, it's clear that these people have succeeded in brainwashing away all healthy, human instinct. They have created a society of death-loving mutants. They revel in the deaths of their own almost as much as those of the evil Jews. They live to kill and be killed. How very "innocent" they are.

110 just another four-letter word  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 11:33:33am

re: #51 jwb7605

Apparently that wasn't you when I did that to a kid in the supermarket parking lot. Kid was too short to be seen by the driver backing up, and was watching his mom load groceries.

I actually had to do this once, and the idiot parent screamed at me to quit molesting their child. I got in their face and said I was bringing them up on charges of child abuse, since they were NOT keeping their kid(s) under control. Shut her up pretty fast, it did...

JAFLW

/It's not grabbing, it's protecting!

111 mean Gene  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 11:34:37am

She sure makes a convincing case for the people inside being willing human shields, doesn't she.
I hadn't looked at it that way until reading this.
Thanks to Snapped Shot for the find.

112 RaiderDan  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 12:18:38pm

I'm more shocked that the AP saw fit to allow their Gaza correspondent a first-person account which sounds like Hamas propaganda. So, will it allow its Israel-based Jewish reporters to talk first hand about THEIR homes being destroyed by Hamas mortars?

Of course not.

This is akin to the Tokyo bureau of AP covering Hiroshima.

/spit.

Sean Hannity was right. 2008 was the year journalism died.

113 poli_wog  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 12:29:51pm

I found the article early this morning in LGF's Top-Rated links and was so impressed I sent it to every mother I know. I'm so glad you brought it to the main page. Thanks for being such a great resource Charles!

114 Ann Nonymous  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 12:34:27pm

re: #66 Walter L. Newton

I don't know if the schools are to blame, per se. Or, more correctly, I don't know if they're completely to blame. I agree that the teaching of history is horrible - I graduated for high school within the last 15 years in an area of the country known for good schools, and I remember not being able to find any history classes other than American History or generic "world history"...the WHOLE HISTORY OF THE WORLD taught in 1 semester. Swell. But we also weren't taught the "can't we all just get along" principle or indoctrinated in that fashion. Yes, you could also blame the media for not reporting the truth that we all know here. But isn't it also a parent's job to supplement what a kid "learns" from the news and from school with the proper perspective? I actually did learn in college history to get my information from more than one source.

I get the feeling that a lot of parents don't want to be bothered with teaching their own kids anything. Either they don't know better themselves or it's not convenient to their social schedule. THAT is at the root of a lot of society's problems, period. I have a problem with the idea that a school should teach a kid everything - there are some things that schools aren't best equipped to teach, that are better heard from parents (even though the schools wouldn't have you think so - I give you: sex ed). To the extent that schools indoctrinate kids, my though is that it's because the parents don't give the necessary counterbalance or perspective.

115 antisocial  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 12:52:55pm

"... this defies human instinct..."

We are not dealing with human beings; we are dealing with a homicidal, suicidal, death cult.

116 SuaSponte  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 2:23:24pm

Whe a mortar fires, the sound is only a thump-like sound. When it lands is when the the explosion occurs. It's poosible that the others present at the school were not aware that mortars were being fired.

On the other hand, I have no sympathy for the people at the school who allow that kind of activity. They must have a clue what's going on.

117 Condor  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 3:05:17pm

Sorry if this has been mentioned before, but The Muqata has a picture from the AP showing "damage from an Israeli bomb in Gaza city"--except that the city has mountains in the background (looks like southern California to me...)

Plus, the explosion and "debris" seem to have been added in.

If anyone has any expertise in photo analysis, you might want to take a look at this one:
[Link: muqata.blogspot.com...]

118 mindy1  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 4:49:57pm

that is true-cnn in particular seems to be so on the side of the "innocents" they seem to forget that hamas will situate itself in civilian populations. very wrong of them.

119 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 6:14:45pm

re: #49 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

If they're the Answer, it was a fucking stupid question.

There are no stupid questions. Only stupid ANSWERs.

120 sgtrock  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 6:22:28pm

Just a note on the original topic of mortars and other artillery.

Unless you are very experienced you can't tell the difference between incoming and outgoing fire.

Something tells me the kids in that school knew damn well what was going on and were given a front-row seat to see the "martyrs" in action.

121 Seax  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 10:01:02pm

Hi sgtrock.You're right .The first time I heard a motar tube fire-
I thought ..."jeez that's lame".
Then the business end landed 100 yards to the left of me
Then I thought ..."F#@*!"

122 Charles Johnson  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 12:17:48pm

Just testing something...

123 [deleted]  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 12:28:27pm

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 Frank says:

Interviewer:
The notion of a "guitar solo" has preconceptions based on it; people automatically refute it because it's supposed to be self-indulgent or "for musicians." It's almost like things become iconographic and somehow lose their value for outsiders.

Zappa:
Well, whose fault is that? That's what writers do. Musicians don't do that. The average person doesn't sit around thinking about the "iconographic problems of a guitar solo." -- Interview for Musician magazine, by Matt Resnicoff, November 1991. Reprinted in July 1995 Issue.