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1 Leonidas Hoplite  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 10:04:17am

The one with the large, pointy teeth?

2 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 10:04:20am

Jimmah Cahtah celebrates!

3 Opinionated  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 10:04:33am

The only Hamas member Jimmy Carter disliked.

4 debutaunt  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 10:04:39am

Fuzzy murdering bunny went bye bye.

5 Only The Lurker Knows  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 10:04:40am

Why is that station still on the air? Silence it already.

6 MarkX  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 10:04:59am

Bwahahahahah.....

7 Kragar  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 10:05:01am

Jimmy Carter announces he fully supports the IDF action.

8 debutaunt  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 10:05:39am

re: #7 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Jimmy Carter announces he fully supports the IDF action.

Which Jimmy Carter?

9 Only The Lurker Knows  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 10:06:11am

Honey Does to complete. bbiaw

10 Militant-Infidel  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 10:06:13am

The Genocidal Preaching Bunny.....It's for the children....

11 Erik The Red  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 10:06:15am

re: #8 debutaunt

Which Jimmy Carter?

Not the one I used to know/

12 jcm  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 10:06:17am

The madness must stop.......

The Hamas-madness that is.

13 smokefire  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 10:06:18am


Help me I could not help myself.

14 Ford_Prefect  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 10:06:25am
15 Hard Right  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 10:06:33am

Would you like to shoot me now or when you get home?

16 unrealizedviewpoint  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 10:06:42am

re: #7 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Jimmy Carter announces he fully supports the IDF action.

Where's that flying pig?

17 MarkX  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 10:06:51am

Elmer Fudd is an Israeli soldier?


Who knew!

18 [deleted]  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 10:07:06am
19 Hard Right  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 10:07:06am

re: #16 unrealizedviewpoint

Where's that flying pig?

More like flying Buffalo...

20 Opinionated  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 10:07:06am
In last Friday episode of Pioneers of Tomorrow, the bunny Assoud was seen dying in a Gaza hospital after being injured in an Israeli attack.

That's All Doc!

21 Ford_Prefect  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 10:07:14am

Gotta run. Later Lizards!

22 jcm  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 10:07:25am

Will Rabbit Bait attend the funeral?

23 Sheila Broflovski  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 10:07:38am

Who will be the next cute cartoon creature cuddly bloodthirsty mascot?

Khalil the Cockroach
Gamal the Camel
Mustafa the Maggot
Hussein the Housefly
Leilah the Louse
Jamal the Jackal
Hijab the Goat

24 Kragar  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 10:07:40am

re: #17 MarkX

Elmer Fudd is an Israeli soldier?


Who knew!

KILL DA WABBIT! KILL DA WABBIT!

25 smokefire  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 10:07:41am

re: #17 MarkX

Elmer Fudd is an Israeli soldier?

Who knew!

Private Elmer Fuddstein.

26 Hard Right  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 10:07:54am

re: #20 Opinionated

That's All Doc!


T-t-t-that's all folks!

27 smokefire  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 10:08:15am

............is wabbit Kosher?

28 realwest  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 10:08:29am

How the hell does Hamas TV stay on the air? Hello, IDF, I have a request of y'all..........!

29 Nevergiveup  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 10:08:35am

My wife always hates it when I say this, but rabbit tastes so good!

30 [deleted]  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 10:08:43am
31 Dustyvet  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 10:09:09am

Bunny Flambe?...:)

32 shanec99  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 10:09:09am

re: #20 Opinionated

That's All Doc!

Hmmm, that is too bad... well at least he did not get an opportunity to participate in a suicide bombing.

33 Gella  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 10:09:11am

hmmm food

34 Eagle  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 10:09:24am

I still remember the show where they gave cardiopulmonary resuscitation to a giant bee.

35 maddogg  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 10:09:24am

Payback for "Night of the Lepus".

36 unreconstructed rebel  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 10:09:30am

re: #7 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Jimmy Carter announces he fully supports the IDF action.

Really?

37 smokefire  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 10:09:48am

re: #30 buzzsawmonkey

No, but duck is.

duck as in bird, or as in look out

38 Dustyvet  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 10:10:08am

re: #28 realwest

How the hell does Hamas TV stay on the air? Hello, IDF, I have a request of y'all..........!

And now a word from our spons...BOOM!

39 [deleted]  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 10:10:11am
40 MarkX  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 10:10:28am
41 FightingBack  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 10:10:30am

Why'd he die? He looks pretty good to me, sitting up with Oxygen and everything.
Maybe complications from an amputation? Hmm?

42 shanec99  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 10:10:54am

re: #23 Alouette

Who will be the next cute cartoon creature cuddly bloodthirsty mascot?

Khalil the Cockroach
Gamal the Camel
Mustafa the Maggot
Hussein the Housefly
Leilah the Louse
Jamal the Jackal
Hijab the Goat


Trust me, nothing about a murdering cartoon character advocating the death of innocents is cute. They are the product of a defective and degenerate philosophy.

43 Kragar  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 10:11:07am

re: #36 unreconstructed rebel

Really?

Jimmy supports rabbit killers any where, any time

44 winston06  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 10:11:19am

Paging Jimmy Carter to rescue

45 redstateredneck  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 10:11:34am

Was he targeted for assassination or was it collateral damage?

46 freedombilly  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 10:11:35am

I do believe that Jew-Eating rabbit would ruin an otherwise delectable paella.

47 Hard Right  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 10:11:48am

re: #30 buzzsawmonkey

No, but duck is.

Wabbit season!

48 VegasRick  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 10:11:53am

On FOX right now, Target Rich Environment!

49 Creeping Eruption  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 10:12:02am

re: #18 buzzsawmonkey

Bye, Baby Bunting
IDF's gone a-hunting
It will bag Hamas' pink coney
That wants to murder Israelis.

LOL. My moms getting a copy of that.

50 smokefire  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 10:12:06am

re: #40 MarkX

................you are one sick bastid.

I love it though.

51 Tumulus11  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 10:12:44am

. Assud is dying because he ate too many Jews.

52 Desert Dog  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 10:12:46am

They can keep their PSYCHO Bunny.....I'll stick with these bunnies, thank you very much.

53 MarkX  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 10:12:49am

re: #50 smokefire

................you are one sick bastid.

Yeah, I hear that a lot...

54 Nevergiveup  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 10:12:50am

re: #48 VegasRick

On FOX right now, Target Rich Environment!

You don't like the wonder hangers?

55 realwest  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 10:12:57am

Well y'all gotta go eat some lunch now but as Charles posted in #155 in the prior thread, I hope all y'all will go over there and vote for LGF!
Small Dead Animals - a Canadian Blog with nothing much worth saying from what bits of it I've read, is bragging that they are in front of LGF in the voting!
And SDA is run by a hot looking woman, so some Canadian LGFer's are voting for SDA instead of us.
TRAITORS!
/
Hope you all have good day and that I get the chance to see y'all down the road.

56 Opinionated  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 10:13:02am

Next cartoon character- like their leaders in hiding- A Hamas Pussy

57 FightingBack  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 10:13:26am

re: #30 buzzsawmonkey

No, but duck is.

if Kosher killed. Not if shot.

58 unreconstructed rebel  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 10:13:34am

re: #43 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Ok. LOL

59 unrealizedviewpoint  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 10:13:36am

re: #42 shanec99

Trust me, nothing about a murdering cartoon character advocating the death of innocents is cute. They are the product of a defective and degenerate philosophy.

I gotta believe that if this were done to a child here in the states (the showing of such), the child would be removed from the home and placed in foster care.

60 smokefire  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 10:13:49am

re: #52 Desert Dog

They can keep their PSYCHO Bunny.....I'll stick with these bunnies, thank you very much.

up ding for that one.

What would Hef say ?

61 jaunte  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 10:13:49am

Someone here the other day pointed out that this bit of propaganda took up space in a hospital that was presumably needed for a real patient.
Hamas priorities.

62 desdichado  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 10:14:06am

Rabbit stew. Yum. Yum.

Do ya think there 72 virgin rabbits in Mullah Heaven?

63 Dar ul Harb  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 10:14:11am

Too bad they didn't take out the Hamas broadcasting facility...

Wabbit Season!

64 Sheila Broflovski  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 10:14:14am

re: #28 realwest

How the hell does Hamas TV stay on the air? Hello, IDF, I have a request of y'all..........!

IDF has been there. Done That.

65 quickjustice  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 10:14:17am

This hare resembles the wabbit that attacked former President Jimmy Carter!

66 Opinionated  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 10:14:36am

re: #61 jaunte

Someone here the other day pointed out that this bit of propaganda took up space in a hospital that was presumably needed for a real patient.
Hamas priorities.

It was worth it for the tears in the CNN anchor's eyes.

67 BackwardsBoy  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 10:14:40am

First reports are that it "tasted like chicken".
Update at 11.

68 Nevergiveup  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 10:14:56am

Protestors enter Israeli consulate in Toronto
Published: 01.07.09, 20:01 / Israel News
Several women entered the Israeli consulate in Toronto and are refusing to leave in protest of the Gaza operation, Ynet learned. The women are apparently Jewish and Israeli.

Security officers at the consulate ordered the staff to enter their rooms and refrain from contact with the women. (Eli Senyor and Daniel Edleson)

I better check to see where my liberal moonbat jewish ( well by birth ) is?

69 shanec99  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 10:15:01am

re: #36 unreconstructed rebel

Really?


They are making a play on Carter during his presidency and the "killer rabbit" that Pres Carter was supposed to be terrified of.
Well they are now joking that the Palestinian Rabbit is the same rabbit from those years...
and Carter approves the IDF action that brought his death...
They are not saying that Pres Carter approves military strikes against Hamas.
Big difference.

70 drogheda  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 10:15:26am

Maybe Assud can say hello to Farfour.

71 turn  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 10:15:29am

re: #23 Alouette

Who will be the next cute cartoon creature cuddly bloodthirsty mascot?

Khalil the Cockroach
Gamal the Camel
Mustafa the Maggot
Hussein the Housefly
Leilah the Louse
Jamal the Jackal
Hijab the Goat

This is a children's program, the choice of a goat could get disgusting.
Very clever, upding.

72 redstateredneck  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 10:15:54am

re: #56 Opinionated

Next cartoon character- like their leaders in hiding- A Hamas Pussy

A Jew eating pussy?

73 bloodnok  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 10:15:55am

That's the most emotion I've seen out of zombie Saraa.

74 bosforus  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 10:15:55am

The next Jew-hating animal should stay out of schools.

75 VegasRick  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 10:15:56am

re: #54 Nevergiveup

You don't like the wonder hangers?

Look now.

76 jorline  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 10:15:57am

That was a big rabbit...it should feed several families.

77 Hard Right  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 10:16:01am

re: #63 Dar ul Harb

Too bad they didn't take out the Hamas broadcasting facility...

Wabbit Season!

Duck Season!

78 [deleted]  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 10:16:01am
79 [deleted]  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 10:16:18am
80 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 10:16:27am

re: #69 shanec99

Having to 'splain the joke kinda kills it, ya know. ;)

81 jaunte  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 10:16:33am

re: #66 Opinionated

The CNN folks are still trying to recover their emotions from experiencing the Santa card discovered in the rubble.

82 unreconstructed rebel  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 10:16:40am

re: #69 shanec99

So Kragar explain. Bit slow today.

83 TheAntichrist  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 10:16:53am

Poor Assud, he never did get to eat a Jew.

84 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 10:16:54am

re: #77 Hard Right

Duck Season!

Elmer Season!

85 bulwrk  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 10:17:02am

You'd figure with those giant rabbits feet his luck would have been a little better.

86 Dave the.....  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 10:17:04am

I just watched Looney Tunes DVDs from Netflix. All week I've had going through my head:

"It's rabbit season"
"It's duck season"

Yes, "Kill the wabbit" was on there also.

87 Nevergiveup  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 10:17:06am

Blair hails Israel's decision to allow temporary truce for Gaza aid
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Quartet representative Tony Blair on Wednesday welcomed Israel's decision to allow a temporary humanitarian truce to let aid into Gaza.

"We must now ensure that this decision is fully observed and that there is greater and more predictable access for all humanitarian supplies," said Blair. "Ultimately, we must work towards an agreement for the reopening of the crossings into Gaza, in order to allow the rehabilitation of the Gaza economy."

And the missiles tony?

88 FightingBack  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 10:17:15am

re: #68 Nevergiveup

" ...refrain from contact with the women."

Could they be turned over to Palis?

89 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 10:17:33am

Still no video clips from the episode? What's the hold up?

90 [deleted]  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 10:17:35am
91 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 10:17:51am

re: #86 Dave the.....

I just watched Looney Tunes DVDs from Netflix. All week I've had going through my head:

"It's rabbit season"
"It's duck season"

Yes, "Kill the wabbit" was on there also.

Bugs does Wagner wonderfully! ;)

92 Jetpilot1101  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 10:18:03am

Did you guys and gals see the despicable demonstration in Fort Lauderdale?

93 [deleted]  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 10:18:06am
94 Kragar  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 10:18:33am

re: #89 Killgore Trout

Still no video clips from the episode? What's the hold up?

Still working up the trailers;

"Tonight, on a very special Jew Eating Rabbit...."

95 Dave the.....  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 10:18:38am

The last thing the giant pink Jew eating rabbit was heard to say was "I knew I should have taken a left turn at Albuquerque".

96 smokefire  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 10:18:43am

Image: 1979_-_President_Attacked_by_Rabbit!-pup46m-d.jpg

death to the wabbit death to the wabbit

97 jaunte  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 10:18:51am

re: #89 Killgore Trout

With any luck, the IDF has hit the Hamas blank tape supply dump.

98 albusteve  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 10:18:51am

some real hearty folks here...snow rage!

[Link: apnews.myway.com...]

99 2by2  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 10:18:52am

That must be the worst looking knock-off Bugs Bunny ever.

100 unreconstructed rebel  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 10:18:59am

re: #72 redstateredneck

Is that with or without the hyphen? LOL

101 shanec99  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 10:19:01am

re: #76 jorline

That was a big rabbit...it should feed several families.

I wouldn't eat it... gosh... that thing would be poisonous having spent all that time in the company of filthy murderers.

102 wiffersnapper  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 10:19:03am

Giving new meaning to the term "What's up, doc?"

103 notutopia  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 10:19:20am

re: #89 Killgore Trout

It takes time to photoshop!

104 FightingBack  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 10:19:20am

I know Carter hates bunnies, but in this case, he'd make a humanitarian exception, and condemn the Israeli use of disproportionate force.
(In all cases, actually.)

105 lawhawk  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 10:19:31am

Fancy that.... ANSWER refuses to condemn anti-Semitism at their rallies...

They're not rallying against the US or Israel. They're for the other side (in this case Hamas terrorists; previously, al Qaeda). Evil. Dispicable. [deleted]

106 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 10:19:34am

re: #79 maddogg

Not a smart comment. You're asking for the destruction of everyone in Gaza, innocent children and women included.

107 Jetpilot1101  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 10:19:41am

Carter is a douchenozzle.

108 [deleted]  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 10:19:50am
109 smokefire  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 10:19:50am

re: #76 jorline

That was a big rabbit...it should feed several families.

...............you want a big rabbit

Image: bunny.jpg

110 MarkX  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 10:19:58am

re: #89 Killgore Trout

See post #40

111 MJ  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 10:20:27am

Roseanne Barr: Israel is a 'Nazi state'

[Link: www.jpost.com...]

112 maddogg  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 10:20:53am

re: #106 Walter L. Newton

Not a smart comment. You're asking for the destruction of everyone in Gaza, innocent children and women included.

Mebbe it's You who isn't smart, Walter. Quote me where I said that.

113 Dar ul Harb  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 10:20:58am

re: #77 Hard Right

Duck Season!

You can't duck a JDAM.

114 smokefire  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 10:21:18am

re: #111 MJ

Roseanne Barr: Israel is a 'Nazi state'

[Link: www.jpost.com...]

..............and Roseanne Barr is a fat ****

115 Sheila Broflovski  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 10:21:53am

re: #111 MJ

Roseanne Barr: Israel is a 'Nazi state'

[Link: www.jpost.com...]

Is Roseanne trying to become Rosie II?

116 2by2  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 10:22:10am

re: #99 2by2

That must be the worst looking knock-off Bugs Bunny ever.

...homemade, stuffed with nails and ball bearings, soo cute.

117 Jetpilot1101  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 10:22:25am

re: #111 MJ

Roseanne Barr: Israel is a 'Nazi state'

[Link: www.jpost.com...]

This may be a rhetorical question but do any of the libtards know that the Nazi's tried to exterminate the Jews? Seems to me that calling Israel a Nazi state is the epitome of idiocy.

118 turn  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 10:22:26am

re: #92 Jetpilot1101

Did you guys and gals see the despicable demonstration in Fort Lauderdale?

This makes you wish we could make free speech illegal for some time while we make ass kicking legal in the mean time.

119 Nevergiveup  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 10:22:36am

re: #113 Dar ul Harb

You can't duck a JDAM.

No but you can bend over and kiss your ass goodbye if you look up in time.

120 bloodnok  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 10:22:39am
121 Dar ul Harb  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 10:22:43am

re: #85 bulwrk

You'd figure with those giant rabbits feet his luck would have been a little better.

They're never lucky for the rabbit, somehow.

122 shanec99  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 10:22:47am

re: #80 FurryOldGuyJeans

Having to 'splain the joke kinda kills it, ya know. ;)


Didn't want a Lizard to believe in error that American medicine had discovered a cure for dimentia and Pres Carter's family physician had taken the time to prescribe some to him helping him to over come his poor judgment and inept pronouncements.

123 wrenchwench  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 10:23:04am

Saraa, spawn of Short Shit?

124 JustABill  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 10:23:13am

re: #19 Hard Right

More like flying Buffalo...

Buffalos can't fly, their wings are not big enough.

125 [deleted]  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 10:23:17am
126 Nevergiveup  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 10:23:34am

re: #118 turn

This makes you wish we could make free speech illegal for some time while we make ass kicking legal in the mean time.

Ass kicking used to quasi legal before the advent of hand held video cams.

127 FightingBack  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 10:23:55am

re: #123 wrenchwench

Saraa, spawn of Short Shit?

More likely a future wife of.

128 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 10:24:04am

re: #93 ploome hineni

I noticed Arafat is only mentioned in passing. When you consider the kleptaucracy he ran on the backs of the Palis, talking about other ME thugs and not him is rather obtuse.

129 Leonidas Hoplite  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 10:24:24am

re: #124 JustABill

Buffalos can't fly, their wings are not big enough.

...and drippping with yummy hot sauce!

130 [deleted]  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 10:24:46am
131 smokefire  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 10:24:50am

re: #117 Jetpilot1101

This may be a rhetorical question but do any of the libtards know that the Nazi's tried to exterminate the Jews? Seems to me that calling Israel a Nazi state is the epitome of idiocy.

.............what has the facts got to do with anything. Libtards calling Israel a Nazi State,
or Israel is committing genocide, or how about this, Israel is an Imperialistic State?

132 [deleted]  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 10:25:20am
133 redstateredneck  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 10:25:28am

re: #100 unreconstructed rebel

Is that with or without the hyphen? LOL

Oops, didn't read it that way!

134 shanec99  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 10:25:29am

re: #111 MJ

Roseanne Barr: Israel is a 'Nazi state'

[Link: www.jpost.com...]


Didn't Rosanne propose to Rosie ODonnell?

135 [deleted]  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 10:26:01am
136 MJ  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 10:26:01am

re: #117 Jetpilot1101

This may be a rhetorical question but do any of the libtards know that the Nazi's tried to exterminate the Jews? Seems to me that calling Israel a Nazi state is the epitome of idiocy.

It's worse than that. Calling Israel a "Nazi State" is antisemitism.
In Barr's case, it's also self-hatred.

137 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 10:26:10am

re: #25 smokefire

Private Elmer Fuddstein.

Well, Mel Blanc was Jewish.

138 [deleted]  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 10:26:23am
139 [deleted]  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 10:26:39am
140 unreconstructed rebel  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 10:26:42am

sniff .... sniff .... sniff. Troll?

141 FightingBack  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 10:26:45am

re: #126 Nevergiveup

It's still legal in Toronto. Is the guy who hit the cameraman in jail?
LGF

142 madisonsfriend  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 10:26:55am

re: #93 ploome hineni
The number of people UNRWA cares for has gone from 600,000 in 1948 to nearly four million today.

BUT that can't be true- we all know there is genocide going on daily in the concentration camps of Gaza! The people have nothing and are starving- I know that- I read it in the Newspaper.

143 [deleted]  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 10:26:59am
144 turn  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 10:27:00am

re: #134 shanec99

Didn't Rosanne propose to Rosie ODonnell?

oh gawd, spit ..

145 Jetpilot1101  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 10:27:12am

re: #131 smokefire

.............what has the facts got to do with anything. Libtards calling Israel a Nazi State,
or Israel is committing genocide, or how about this, Israel is an Imperialistic State?

Good point, like I said, the question may have been rhetorical and you proved it was. I guess even the liberals have the freedom to be stupid.

146 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 10:27:15am

More IDF drone footage....
Precision Airstrikes on Hamas Terror Targets 7 Jan. 2009

147 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 10:27:16am

re: #117 Jetpilot1101

This may be a rhetorical question but do any of the libtards know that the Nazi's tried to exterminate the Jews? Seems to me that calling Israel a Nazi state is the epitome of idiocy.

(I posted this two threads ago, but it's a comment I made that does dovetail with your comment above).

It doesn't matter what this mother writes. Oh yes, it matters to us, here. It matters to people who have grown up with understanding the history of the world, the wars, the people involved, the fears and the tears.

But most of us do not count anymore. We have grown older and have been replaced by a younger cadre of citizens who has never been taught the history of the last 200 years in any linear, comprehensive way, a way that lays out the facts.

Instead, they have been given a foundation, in the simplest terms, a foundation that says "Can't we all get along?"

From there, then, the rest of the history and conflicts and "facts" are laid on that foundation, which of course, is a foundation meant to support multiculturalism and political correctness.

How did this happen? Simple, look at our education system, most of the problem starts there. Look at our news media, a support system for what is taught in the schools. And then popular entertainment, engraining a doctrine of instant gratification, voting a person in or out of your life along with the babbling of "A list" entertainers playing the part of deep thinkers on world issues, instead of keeping their mouth shuts unless a director says "rolling, speed."

We missed the revolution. It was happening right under our noses. We kept faith that plain truth and historical facts would never fall in the face of evil propaganda.

If this scares you, think of what it will be like in 20 years, when a couple of new generations have graduated and entered the adult world.

We've been keeping the faith too long, keeping it tucked away and not making use of it.

148 Wookieelips  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 10:27:44am

re: #102 wiffersnapper

Giving new meaning to the term "What's up, doc?"


Be vewry, vewry quiet!

149 [deleted]  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 10:28:27am
150 [deleted]  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 10:28:30am
151 jcm  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 10:28:33am

re: #127 FightingBack

More likely a future wife of.

She's at least 8 years old.... good to go.

*spit*

152 maddogg  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 10:28:43am

re: #135 Jetpilot1101

Maddog, comments like yours are a sure fire way to get your account sent to the ashbin of history along with Carter's legacy and Sen. Reid's intelligence. Be careful, Charles is not too fond of "carpet bombing" and indiscriminate annihilation solutions to the mid-east problem.

What I meant was, bulldoze the place flat and let the Palis go elsewhere. I never said anything about anything else.

153 Sheila Broflovski  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 10:28:45am

re: #111 MJ

Roseanne Barr: Israel is a 'Nazi state'

[Link: www.jpost.com...]

I get a server error when I click on that JPost link

154 Gella  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 10:28:53am

re: #117 Jetpilot1101
who told u that she is smart?

155 [deleted]  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 10:29:01am
156 bosforus  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 10:29:11am

re: #153 Alouette

I get a server error when I click on that JPost link

You got served!
Me too.

157 redstateredneck  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 10:29:16am

re: #120 bloodnok

Lest we forget:

Interview with Saraa, Hamas' 11-year old terror apologist

This is pure child abuse and brainwashing for the singular purpose of ridding the Middle East of Jews.Teaching children to aspire to death shows, better than anything I can write, the depravity of Islamism.


Amen to that.

158 unrealizedviewpoint  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 10:29:21am

Aisle 79 requires clean-up

159 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 10:29:35am

re: #87 Nevergiveup

Blair hails Israel's decision to allow temporary truce for Gaza aid
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Quartet representative Tony Blair on Wednesday welcomed Israel's decision to allow a temporary humanitarian truce to let aid into Gaza.

"We must now ensure that this decision is fully observed and that there is greater and more predictable access for all humanitarian supplies," said Blair. "Ultimately, we must work towards an agreement for the reopening of the crossings into Gaza, in order to allow the rehabilitation of the Gaza economy."

And the missiles tony?

The truce is over; Hamas fired grad rockets at Beersheva.
And Israel has said they're not agreeing to a cease-fire that doesn't meet their objectives, so it looks like there won't be an international force to keep Hamas from rearming and attacking Israel from defending itself.

The only "humanitarian" cease fire should be to evacuate civilians, and that means women and children only; any women in the video where they pledged to be homicide bombers aren't allowed out, either, unless it is to a prison camp for war criminals.

160 Opinionated  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 10:29:43am

re: #130 Iron Fist

They've only got fourteen days, and the clock is ticking.

It could be just my fear but there is something in his tone and the look in his eye - especially today- that makes we think Obama is chomping at the bit to screw Israel.

161 Jetpilot1101  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 10:29:44am

re: #147 Walter L. Newton

Thanks Walter. Good analysis. I don't think we'll recognize this country in 20 years unless we get off our collective asses and drive liberalism off a cliff. I guess we could keep a few moonbats around for comic relief.

162 smokefire  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 10:29:45am

re: #137 Kosh's Shadow

Well, Mel Blanc was Jewish.

bingo, nice comeback

163 [deleted]  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 10:29:55am
164 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 10:29:55am

re: #134 shanec99

Didn't Rosanne propose to Rosie ODonnell?

Pass the mind bleach, please.

165 Leonidas Hoplite  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 10:30:02am

re: #152 maddogg

What I meant was, bulldoze the place flat and let the Palis go elsewhere. I never said anything about anything else.

Nobody wants them....but Israel is fine with it if they just behave themselves. Ironic?

166 turn  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 10:30:44am

re: #141 FightingBack

It's still legal in Toronto. Is the guy who hit the cameraman in jail?
LGF

Wow didn't see that post. And the guy said "excuse me"? I would have broken his face with my camera if it was me (then ran like hell).

167 MJ  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 10:30:47am

re: #153 Alouette

I get a server error when I click on that JPost link

Try this. I just click it on to test it:
[Link: www.jpost.com...]

168 [deleted]  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 10:30:56am
169 Hard Right  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 10:31:03am

re: #129 Leonidas Hoplite

...and drippping with yummy hot sauce!

Well that would explain what was on my windshield...

170 descolada9  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 10:31:04am

Hassenpfeffer Recipe:

1 Jew-eating rabbit, lightly flambed
1/2 cup wine vinegar (have it imported from Lebannon since the Hamas folks probably don't allow any kind of wine)
2 cloves garlic (pack one in each eye socket)
1 bay leaf (place on breast, fold hands of dead wabbit over leaf)
2 tsp salt (while you're at it, salt all of Gaza)
1/2 tsp black pepper (black like Hamas masks)
6 tbsp olive oil (for annoiting the dead wabbit on his trip to Heck)
2 slices bacon (snicker)
1 1/2 c onion (to make sure everyone is crying for the poor wabbit)
1 tbsp flour (for thickening the juices, or is that Jooses?)
1 bottle red wine (in the pot, not in the cook! Again, import from Lebannon)
1 tbsp chocolate, unsweetened (for that touch of bitter bite)

Have the rabbit disjointed and cleaned.
Pour boiling water over it, scrape, rinse, and dry.
In a glass or pottery bowl combine the vinegar, garlic, bay leaf, salt (optional, pepper, and 4 tablespoons of the oil.
Add the rabbit and marinate in the refrigerator for 48 hours.
Drain.
Put the bacon in a Dutch oven and cook until lightly browned.
Add the sliced onions and cook until golden.
Blend in flour and add rabbit.
Cook 10 minutes turning the pieces several times.
Add the wine, bring to a boil, and stir in the chocolate.
Cover and cook over low heat 1-1/2 hours or until tender; add salt and pepper to taste after 1 hour.
While the rabbit is cooking, sauté the white onions in the remaining oil until golden.

171 smokefire  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 10:31:14am

re: #151 jcm

She's at least 8 years old.... good to go.

*spit*

who will be the lucky goat, then?

172 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 10:31:26am

re: #152 maddogg

Well, Gaza could use some urban renewal projects courtesy of the IDF.

173 shanec99  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 10:31:31am

re: #149 Iron Fist

When fat bull dykes collide...


I prefer Kenny Roger's song... every time two fools collide... when I think of those two together.

174 [deleted]  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 10:31:47am
175 orson  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 10:31:49am

Kill de wabbit. Kill de wabbit. Kill de wabbit.

With my spear & magic helmet.

176 jwb7605  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 10:31:49am

re: #155 ploome hineni

among the 'leaders' of the arab world, Arafat fits right in....he is like all the others


I think my correction makes it generically accurate.

177 Hard Right  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 10:32:04am

re: #164 Honorary Yooper

Pass the mind bleach, please.

I have the image of two male elephant seals fighting stuck in my head now.

178 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 10:32:09am

re: #162 smokefire

bingo, nice comeback

Of course, Mel Blanc played both Elmer Fudd, and Bugs Bunny (and all the other characters - no one was able to replace him. However, Tweety Bird did require speeding up the playback)

179 [deleted]  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 10:32:11am
180 MJ  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 10:32:24am

re: #167 MJ

Try this. I just click it on to test it:
[Link: www.jpost.com...]

Just in case, here's the article:

Former television star Roseanne Barr has denounced Israel's military campaign against Hamas in Gaza, labeling Israel a "Nazi state."

Photo: [Link: www.roseanneworld.com...]

In a post on her personal blog, which appears at her Web site, Roseanne World, the comedienne, who is Jewish, wrote on December 30 that she had planned to travel with pro-Palestinian activists on a protest boat sailing from Cyprus to Gaza.

After an encounter with an Israel Navy vessel, the boat was turned back and sailed into a Lebanese port on Tuesday.

"I said Israel will attack any boat carrying doctors and medical supplies," Barr wrote on her blog, adding that, "Israel is a NAZI state. The Jewish Soul is being tortured in Israel."

The Emmy-award winning actress, who has courted controversy in the past, also condemned Israel's counter-terror operation against Hamas, asserting that, "The destruction of the Jews in Israel has been assured with this inhuman attack on civilians in Gaza."

In her post, Barr likened Hamas to "street gangs" in the Los Angeles neighborhood of Watts, saying that Israel's military campaign is the "equivalent to Los Angeles attacking and launching war on the people of Watts to kill 'the Bloods' and 'the Crips.'"

Barr's comments were first revealed by conservative commentator Debbie Schlussel on her blog, Debbieschlussel.com, and then reported on the Newsbusters Web site, which is a project of the conservative media watchdog group, the Media Research Center.

181 unrealizedviewpoint  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 10:32:30am

re: #152 maddogg

What I meant was, bulldoze the place flat and let the Palis go elsewhere. I never said anything about anything else.

The word embers refers to the smoldering remains of fire. That's why it's so clear to others what you meant.

182 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 10:32:31am

re: #155 ploome hineni

among the 'leaders' of the arab world, Arafat fits right in....he is like all the others

I do agree, but he is personally responsible for the state of things so he should have giving a lot more prominence. Saddam only gave money to terrorists, Arafat recruited and trained terrorists before sending them out.

183 jemima  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 10:32:38am

In the history of the world has an entire country gone insane prior to the palestinians?

184 Airborn Swine  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 10:32:49am

In the dawk of night
by the pale moon wight
for satan's bwead
another wabbit's dead

KILL THE WABBIT !
KILL THE WABBIT !

/heavy metal Elmer

185 Nevergiveup  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 10:33:03am

re: #150 smokefire

just a note of caution here. I got carried away the other day too. As lizardoids, we have to be careful what is said, to avoid this place to be accused of advocating genocide, and Charles to get into trouble.

Yes and the criticism of the offensive remark can perhaps be modulated so to allow the excited offender to back down gracefully. Just a suggestion.

186 turn  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 10:33:16am

re: #149 Iron Fist

When fat bull dykes collide...

Man I wish I could photoshop

187 Maximu§  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 10:33:25am

Thats all Folks!

188 smokefire  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 10:33:37am

re: #178 Kosh's Shadow

Of course, Mel Blanc played both Elmer Fudd, and Bugs Bunny (and all the other characters - no one was able to replace him. However, Tweety Bird did require speeding up the playback)

I believe after he died, his son took over, or tried to, anyway.

189 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 10:34:17am

re: #161 Jetpilot1101

Thanks Walter. Good analysis. I don't think we'll recognize this country in 20 years unless we get off our collective asses and drive liberalism off a cliff. I guess we could keep a few moonbats around for comic relief.

I made my last WestPac deployment the day Clinton was elected in '92. Six months later the battle group returned to essentially a foreign country things had changed so much.

Our Messiah-King will not take 20 years.

190 unreconstructed rebel  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 10:34:27am

re: #185 Nevergiveup

Yes and the criticism of the offensive remark can perhaps be modulated so to allow the excited offender to back down gracefully. Just a suggestion.

I second that.

191 [deleted]  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 10:34:27am
192 Gella  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 10:34:31am

Roseanne Barr on a boat? boat will sink, faster then she'll be able to think

193 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 10:34:39am

re: #160 Opinionated

It could be just my fear but there is something in his tone and the look in his eye - especially today- that makes we think Obama is chomping at the bit to screw Israel.

I think even Livni realizes this, and that is why the Gaza attack occurred now.
I wonder is anything has been said privately.

194 Hard Right  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 10:34:44am

re: #188 smokefire

I believe after he died, his son took over, or tried to, anyway.

Long term watchers can tell the difference. I know I could.

195 smokefire  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 10:34:53am

re: #185 Nevergiveup

Yes and the criticism of the offensive remark can perhaps be modulated so to allow the excited offender to back down gracefully. Just a suggestion.

understood, just mentioning that I flew off the handle, and was brought back to earth by concerned lizards, just returning the favor.

196 unrealizedviewpoint  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 10:34:54am

re: #185 Nevergiveup

Yes and the criticism of the offensive remark can perhaps be modulated so to allow the excited offender to back down gracefully. Just a suggestion.

I third that.

197 [deleted]  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 10:34:58am
198 jwb7605  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 10:34:59am

re: #183 jemima

In the history of the world has an entire country gone insane prior to the palestinians?

I was going to suggest the Germans, the French, and then kept going back mentally in recorded history.

Nope.

Nice avatar. Do you pilot or crew?

199 shanec99  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 10:35:11am

re: #164 Honorary Yooper

Pass the mind bleach, please.

By the way... no she did not propose to her... I said that to be sarcastic... if I misled you, please forgive me.

200 Nevergiveup  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 10:35:46am

re: #195 smokefire

understood, just mentioning that I flew off the handle, and was brought back to earth by concerned lizards, just returning the favor.

It's happened to me also, usually after I've had a few.

201 Jewels (AKA Julian)  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 10:35:47am

In short, HAMAS and the Gazans wills are going to need to be broken beyond thier capacity to fight. This means humiliation pilled on humiliation, and I do not speak of physical humiliation of any sort. Thier spirits will need to be crushed to stop this nonsense from going on.

Hate to say it, but reoccupation is probably going to be needed and to hell with the rest of the World

202 Wookieelips  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 10:35:55am

re: #180 MJ

I'm more surprised that Roseanne thinks anyone cares what she says.

203 [deleted]  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 10:36:35am
204 [deleted]  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 10:36:51am
205 J.S.  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 10:37:04am

re: #55 realwest

I'm voting LGF...(and I vote often)....

206 [deleted]  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 10:37:07am
207 [deleted]  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 10:37:22am
208 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 10:37:30am

re: #188 smokefire

I believe after he died, his son took over, or tried to, anyway.

Noel Blanc took over most of the voices, but couldn't do all of them.

I see a cartoon of Ahmadinejad as Marvin the Martian, looking towards Israel, while the Iranian nuclear missile goes up behind him, and comes straight back down, while he says "Where's the kaboom? There's supposed to be an earth-shattering kaboom!"
Then, a mushroom cloud, and Amadinejad Martian says "Jooos make me vewy angwy!"

209 madisonsfriend  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 10:37:38am

re: #180 MJ I'm sure Rosanne's life in not touched by gang warfare so she thinks they are all doing hand signs and wearing funny clothing- not attacking and killing other kids as they do in our schools. But then she is a stupid cow so what she says means nothing.

210 unrealizedviewpoint  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 10:37:44am

maddogg's sure got a high karma quotient.

211 Nevergiveup  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 10:37:50am

re: #201 Jewels (AKA Julian)

In short, HAMAS and the Gazans wills are going to need to be broken beyond thier capacity to fight. This means humiliation pilled on humiliation, and I do not speak of physical humiliation of any sort. Thier spirits will need to be crushed to stop this nonsense from going on.

Hate to say it, but reoccupation is probably going to be needed and to hell with the rest of the World

But how do you crush the spirit of a "people" who worship at the church of Homicide bombers and death?

212 smokefire  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 10:37:54am

re: #194 Hard Right

Long term watchers can tell the difference. I know I could.

................as the saying goes....................

THERE CAN BE ONLY ONE

213 Wookieelips  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 10:38:04am

re: #203 buzzsawmonkey

I like that she's referred to as "former television star Roseanne Barr." That must hurt.

If she can't get Hamas to cozy up to her, maybe she can interest Hasbeenbollah.


Ha!

214 MJ  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 10:38:05am

re: #202 Wookieelips

I'm more surprised that Roseanne thinks anyone cares what she says.

The MSM and the Arab Lobby ( one of the same ) will use any comment like that by saying, "The Jewish comedian, Rosanne Barr says Israel is Nazi State."

Barr is a Capo.

215 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 10:38:17am

re: #183 jemima

In the history of the world has an entire country gone insane prior to the palestinians?

Yes. See Germany 1939, France 1789, and a few others.

216 Maximu§  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 10:38:20am

OT:

Protestors in Florida calling for "jews to go back into Ovens"

Protester Calls for Jews to 'Go Back to the Oven' at Anti-Israel Demonstration

217 jwb7605  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 10:38:37am

re: #206 Iron Fist

Sure. They called it Nazi Germany. I think the Palis have the lock on most whacked out society ever, though. Even Hitler didn't use suicide bombers.

the original question was

re: #183 jemima

In the history of the world has an entire country gone insane prior to the palestinians?


David and Goliath.
Think about it.

218 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 10:38:43am

re: #203 buzzsawmonkey

I like that she's referred to as "former television star Roseanne Barr." That must hurt.

If she can't get Hamas to cozy up to her, maybe she can interest Hasbeenbollah.

She could get a new job on Hamas TV! I know, she could replace the Jew-Eating rabbit!

219 Airborn Swine  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 10:39:05am

re: #185 Nevergiveup

Yes and the criticism of the offensive remark can perhaps be modulated so to allow the excited offender to back down gracefully. Just a suggestion.

Nah, it's much more fun to interpret things a negatively as possible and flame the he! out of someone. Some kids just love the implied authority that being the teacher's informer imparts.

220 madisonsfriend  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 10:39:33am

re: #216 Maximu§

OT:

Protestors in Florida calling for "jews to go back into Ovens"

Protester Calls for Jews to 'Go Back to the Oven' at Anti-Israel Demonstration


Well, you know the only answer to that- which I can't write here but it involves an F and You and a hand sign.

221 Wookieelips  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 10:39:54am

re: #214 MJ

The MSM and the Arab Lobby ( one of the same ) will use any comment like that by saying, "The Jewish comedian, Rosanne Barr says Israel is Nazi State."

Barr is a Capo.


Oh! I get it!

She just wants someone to pay attention to her again.

222 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 10:40:04am

re: #209 madisonsfriend

I'm sure Rosanne's life in not touched by gang warfare so she thinks they are all doing hand signs and wearing funny clothing- not attacking and killing other kids as they do in our schools. But then she is a stupid cow so what she says means nothing.

Cows are useful. Roseanne is not. Well, only in the sense of a "useful idiot".

223 smokefire  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 10:40:06am

re: #208 Kosh's Shadow

Noel Blanc took over most of the voices, but couldn't do all of them.

I see a cartoon of Ahmadinejad as Marvin the Martian, looking towards Israel, while the Iranian nuclear missile goes up behind him, and comes straight back down, while he says "Where's the kaboom? There's supposed to be an earth-shattering kaboom!"
Then, a mushroom cloud, and Amadinejad Martian says "Jooos make me vewy angwy!"

................YOU HAVE GOT to tell me where to find that. Better half will pee her pants. Come to think of it,so will I.

224 Spare O'Lake  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 10:40:10am

I didn't think it was possible, but Roseanne Barr is even uglier on the inside than she is on the outside.

225 jcm  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 10:40:11am

re: #202 Wookieelips

I'm more surprised that Roseanne thinks anyone cares what she says.

You can't ignore some one with there own gravitational field.

226 unrealizedviewpoint  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 10:40:36am

re: #202 Wookieelips

I'm more surprised that Roseanne thinks anyone cares what she says.

Just those few who read her blog ..and Rosie O'Donnell's too ..same readers

227 Nevergiveup  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 10:40:38am

re: #219 Airborn Swine

Nah, it's much more fun to interpret things a negatively as possible and flame the he! out of someone. Some kids just love the implied authority that being the teacher's informer imparts.

Well sure that's another way to go about things. And surely more fun.

228 Occasional Reader  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 10:40:44am

We laugh at this story, but of course it represents something deeply, deeply disturbing.

Why did Hamas t.v. "kill" Assud? Why, to further drive home the lesson to Palestinian tots that they must hatehatehatehate the Jews.

Pure evil.

229 maddogg  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 10:40:48am

re: #207 shanec99

I think he was using words that he did not know the meanings of. Big problems come to people who do that... relating to misunderstandings.

No poor choice of words on my part. If its deleted its OK. I still don't owe Walter spit, he can smooch my backside.

230 bulwrk  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 10:41:00am

re: #149 Iron Fist

When fat bull dykes collide...

It amazes me that that the Europeans spent billions building that super collider when for much less they could have put Rosanne and Rosie at opposite ends of a football field and placed a bucket of chicken on the 50 yard line with the same results.

231 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 10:41:02am

re: #204 ploome hineni

I still say he should have been mention more prominently. His leadership of the Palis is key to understanding the current Hamas/Fatah mess.

232 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 10:41:04am

re: #220 madisonsfriend

Well, you know the only answer to that- which I can't write here but it involves an F and You and a hand sign.

I don't get violent, but I'd have a hard time not taking a sign calling for me to go to the ovens and hitting the asshole over the head with it repeatedly, while shouting "NEVER AGAIN!"

233 Leonidas Hoplite  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 10:41:15am

re: #215 Honorary Yooper

Yes. See Germany 1939, France 1789, and a few others.

Don't forget Japan

234 smokefire  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 10:41:22am

re: #221 Wookieelips

Oh! I get it!

She just wants someone to pay attention to her again.

Roseanne Who?

235 Last Mohican  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 10:41:32am

re: #220 madisonsfriend

I'm putting an "M" in front of mine. Maximum F. You.

Can someone remind me which Lizard coined that term, so that I can doff my cap properly whenever I use it?

236 Nevergiveup  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 10:41:52am

re: #230 bulwrk

It amazes me that that the Europeans spent billions building that super collider when for much less they could have put Rosanne and Rosie at opposite ends of a football field and placed a bucket of chicken on the 50 yard line with the same results.

Well except isn't their super collider still broken?

237 albusteve  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 10:42:00am

re: #225 jcm

You can't ignore some one with there own gravitational field.

ha!

238 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 10:42:18am

re: #223 smokefire

................YOU HAVE GOT to tell me where to find that. Better half will pee her pants. Come to think of it,so will I.

I just came up with it; don't have the time or the software to make it.
Any lizards are free to use the idea, as long as it is not for commercial use, and they let me download a copy.

239 Nevergiveup  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 10:42:27am

re: #232 Kosh's Shadow

I don't get violent, but I'd have a hard time not taking a sign calling for me to go to the ovens and hitting the asshole over the head with it repeatedly, while shouting "NEVER AGAIN!"

If I had been there I am not sure I could have controlled myself.

240 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 10:42:28am

re: #233 Leonidas Hoplite

Don't forget Japan

Yes, Tojo's Japan. One of the other countries/cultures to use suicide as a way to kill the enemy. Granted it was against military targets.

241 [deleted]  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 10:42:29am
242 Last Mohican  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 10:42:34am

re: #230 bulwrk

That's a powerful image. Not in a good way.

243 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 10:42:35am

re: #219 Airborn Swine

Nah, it's much more fun to interpret things a negatively as possible and flame the he! out of someone. Some kids just love the implied authority that being the teacher's informer imparts.

This is not the first time Maddog has done this. And yes, whether you like it or not, Charles has given the users of this blog the tools to self-monitor the comments.

If you want this blog to fall into the same cesspool as KOS or DU, then fine, but most of us don't.

244 Inquisitive  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 10:42:58am

re: #228 Occasional Reader

We laugh at this story, but of course it represents something deeply, deeply disturbing.

Why did Hamas t.v. "kill" Assud? Why, to further drive home the lesson to Palestinian tots that they must hatehatehatehate the Jews.

Pure evil.


I was thinking on the same lines.....you said it very well....

245 bulwrk  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 10:43:01am

re: #236 Nevergiveup

Yes,so my idea is actually more reliable.

246 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 10:43:16am

re: #241 Iron Fist

The modern "Palestinians" have no real connection to the Philistines of ancient history. I've always thought that their entire argument about having supposedly been there first was rather specious. The whole "Jews out of Judea" thing kind of knocks a hole in the floor of that boat.

Logic and history have no place when one has an agenda.

247 Jewels (AKA Julian)  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 10:43:26am

re: #211 Nevergiveup


Again, one must getinside the heads of the jihadi. Giving them death only fulfills thier sick desire to be let off the hook when they kill someone and themselves. crushing thier spirit doing things they consider horrifying (take back land, defeating jihadi fighters, desecrating thier temples, taking thier weapons away, and generally out performing them in every non violent way eats as the jihadi mind for showing them exactly what they are: barbarians and inferior). The jihadi mind cannot cope with that they are inferior. stop thier attacks, but leave them alive to suffer the humilation of defeat. break them and thier pride, their honor, thier self image.

only then will victory be achived

248 redstateredneck  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 10:43:40am

Roseanne's parents were Jewish but they raised her in Utah as a Latter Day Saint.
autobiography

249 smokefire  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 10:43:44am

re: #238 Kosh's Shadow

I just came up with it; don't have the time or the software to make it.
Any lizards are free to use the idea, as long as it is not for commercial use, and they let me download a copy.

...............darn.

It was a good one Kosh. A+++++
upding for that.

250 Wookieelips  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 10:43:47am

re: #234 smokefire

Roseanne Who?


I dunno, some fat chick with a 'stache.

251 turn  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 10:43:58am

BBL, actually going over to Huffpo to get an alternate (darkside) world view on the gaza war on terror.

252 jwb7605  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 10:43:59am

re: #236 Nevergiveup

Well except isn't their super collider still broken?

You quoted a post with Rosanne, Rosie, and super collider in the same sentence.
Either you or bulwrk owes me a keyboard.

253 MJ  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 10:44:01am

Don't know if this has been posted yet, but Mayor Bloomberg pushed back hard against one of the airhead anchors at CNN:

254 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 10:44:10am

re: #111 MJ

Roseanne Barr: Israel is a 'Nazi state'

[Link: www.jpost.com...]

Roseanne will be hosting a program on Pacifica's KPFK (Los Angeles). She'll fit right in.

255 smokefire  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 10:44:21am

re: #239 Nevergiveup

If I had been there I am not sure I could have controlled myself.

second that.

256 CommonCents  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 10:44:29am

Courtesy of The Long War Journal... Hassan Nasrallah says "The Zionists will discover that the war they had in July (2006) was a walk in the park if we compare it to what we've prepared for every new aggression".

I guess that last UN Resolution to deny re-arming Hezbollah was another giant success. If only we could hand all of our problems over the congregation of dictators.

I'm still looking for a UN success story but I've reached the end of the internet and nothing.

257 zombie  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 10:44:43am

I just found out that I'm one of the blogs in the "Weblog Awards" this year. But in my category ("Midsize Blog" -- how is that determined? Strange) is also Israel Matzav, by Carl in Jerusalem. Since I have so much admiration for Carl's blog, I refuse to campaign against him! And since he's currently blogging live from a country at war, I think he's a deserving candidate. So: vote for Israel Matzav in the Best Midsize Blog category, unless you really really insist on voting for zomblog anyway, which i suppose you can you if you want -- I can't stop you! But I'd feel guilty taking the award away from Carl, especially since I've won every previous year I've been nominated, and I don't need another award.

All the other blogs in that category have campaign link-buttons and pleas to vote, etc. I can't do that. "If nominated, I will not run. If elected, I will not serve!" (Trivia question: who said that originally?)

(Though, in earlier years, I won the "Best Photo Blog" category, but this year they changed trhe definition of the category and made it be blogs which focus on the technicalities of photography, rather than blogs which feature a lot os photographs.)

258 Leonidas Hoplite  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 10:44:46am

re: #251 turn

BBL, actually going over to Huffpo to get an alternate (darkside) world view on the gaza war on terror.

Wear a hazmat suit

259 Nevergiveup  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 10:45:02am

re: #245 bulwrk

Yes,so my idea is actually more reliable.

That is because you have not subcontracted out to the lowest bidder.

260 descolada9  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 10:45:06am

re: #206 Iron Fist

Sure. They called it Nazi Germany. I think the Palis have the lock on most whacked out society ever, though. Even Hitler didn't use suicide bombers.

I think one could make the argument that Hitler actually loved his people (those whom he considered to be of Aryan blood, anyways). However, he did have the problem of not being willing to either let others run the war (thank goodness, or we might have lost) or of letting his troops lose face (fiasco in Russia comes to mind). I'm just glad the Germans of WWII didn't think of suicide bombers or worse. And thank goodness that Nazi Germany was defeated. Now if we can just defeat Nazi Hamastan.

261 shanec99  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 10:45:08am

re: #230 bulwrk

It amazes me that that the Europeans spent billions building that super collider when for much less they could have put Rosanne and Rosie at opposite ends of a football field and placed a bucket of chicken on the 50 yard line with the same results.


Nooo... in the case of those too... some one would have to clean up the blood and fat deposit after the collision... it would involve HAZMAT suits, Biohazard waste disposal units, and advising clean up personnel to be vigilant in observing universal precaution when comig into contact with tissue and body fluids.

262 maddogg  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 10:45:11am

Mr. Johnson. Please delete # 79.

263 [deleted]  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 10:45:23am
264 madisonsfriend  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 10:45:27am

re: #232 Kosh's Shadow

According to the article- a woman said it and other things repeatedly- she was wearing a hijab. I suppose I might have gone up to her(I am a small, older woman and I look pretty calm usually) and smacked her in the face. I would risk assault charges- and then say it was an auto response - as a Jew of a certain age- I couldn't help myself. An Arab(by his name) in the interview said it is genocide and a holocaust in Gaza which proves they know nothing about either. and the whole thing was done by ANSWER who are the biggest group of anti-semites(i wonder if they get arab funding?)

265 Occasional Reader  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 10:45:34am

re: #240 Honorary Yooper

Yes, Tojo's Japan. One of the other countries/cultures to use suicide as a way to kill the enemy. Granted it was against military targets.

I actually feel offended when they refer to the 9/11 hijackers using the term "kamikaze". The real Kamikaze pilots fought for the wrong side, but with honor, against military targets that could shoot back.

266 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 10:46:02am

Staged MSM Photo of the day.....
Getty Images

Palestinians shout slogans as they hold bread they found at a destroyed car following an Israeli air strike in Beit Lahia, northern Gaza Strip, on January 7, 2009.

It's a carswarm miracle! Car destroyed but the bread survives. The humanitarians delivering the miracle bread weren't so lucky.

267 smokefire  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 10:46:03am

re: #250 Wookieelips

I dunno, some fat chick with a 'stache.

...............love the avatar.

268 Nevergiveup  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 10:46:08am

re: #248 redstateredneck

Roseanne's parents were Jewish but they raised her in Utah as a Latter Day Saint.
autobiography

So does that give me ( a Jew ) the authority to disavow her?

269 jwb7605  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 10:46:22am

re: #241 Iron Fist

The modern "Palestinians" have no real connection to the Philistines of ancient history. I've always thought that their entire argument about having supposedly been there first was rather specious. The whole "Jews out of Judea" thing kind of knocks a hole in the floor of that boat.

If they want to take credit for "being there first", they have to take credit for going insane first.
If they want to disavow that, we can go forward in history.

Consistency.

270 cartoonboy  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 10:46:34am

The Islamist’s propaganda is so effective because it let’s the anti-Semite off the hook: since the Jews are now the supposed Nazis the Jew hater becomes the politically correct anti-nazi. All the Hitlerian stigma of targeting the Jews magically evaporates

271 redstateredneck  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 10:46:41am

re: #228 Occasional Reader

We laugh at this story, but of course it represents something deeply, deeply disturbing.

Why did Hamas t.v. "kill" Assud? Why, to further drive home the lesson to Palestinian tots that they must hatehatehatehate the Jews.

Pure evil.

Didn't they have the Mickey Mouse lookalike beaten to death on the show by an Israeli interrogator?

272 Occasional Reader  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 10:46:55am

re: #262 maddogg

Mr. Johnson. Please delete # 79.

Good call.

273 shanec99  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 10:47:16am

re: #248 redstateredneck
Rosanne is no Saint... Latter Day or other wise... a Latter Day SNAKE perhaps... but not a Saint.

274 Wookieelips  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 10:47:52am

re: #267 smokefire

...............love the avatar.


Thanks. Hubby's chopper. So jealous.

275 MJ  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 10:48:01am

re: #268 Nevergiveup

So does that give me ( a Jew ) the authority to disavow her?

Maybe we need a minyan to do that. I'll add my vote. Anyone else?

276 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 10:48:16am

re: #256 CommonCents

Courtesy of The Long War Journal... Hassan Nasrallah says "The Zionists will discover that the war they had in July (2006) was a walk in the park if we compare it to what we've prepared for every new aggression".

I guess that last UN Resolution to deny re-arming Hezbollah was another giant success. If only we could hand all of our problems over the congregation of dictators.

I'm still looking for a UN success story but I've reached the end of the internet and nothing.

If you include making money off dictators, as in the oil for graft program, then they have been successful.
Or getting out of parking tickets.
Or maybe showing how people get dumber if you put too many together.

Oh YES - there was one success, but the UN has been trying to turn it into failure most of the time since then.
That was the creation of the modern State of Israel.

277 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 10:48:20am

re: #265 Occasional Reader

FMSM talking heads are not known for having any passing familiarity with history, or really anything outside the incestuous bubble of self-referential liberalism.

278 Occasional Reader  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 10:48:34am

re: #271 redstateredneck

Didn't they have the Mickey Mouse lookalike beaten to death on the show by an Israeli interrogator?

Yes indeedy.

It's just like Sesame Street, you see. If, say, Big Bird had been constantly haranguing us to murder Puerto Ricans.

279 Silhouette  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 10:48:41am

re: #228 Occasional Reader

We laugh at this story, but of course it represents something deeply, deeply disturbing.

Why did Hamas t.v. "kill" Assud? Why, to further drive home the lesson to Palestinian tots that they must hatehatehatehate the Jews.

Pure evil.

For comparison, when "Steve" on Blues Clues was replaced with "Joe," what if the producers had told the children that "Steve" was killed by Muslim jihadists. And what if this was at the request of the Bush administration.

Would the LLL of this country see THAT as an evil act, twisting the minds of tiny children into hate and bigotry? I presume they would.

But for the Palis, they get a pass. Every evil act they do is excused as a "natural" response to some unspoken greater evil that was done TO them.

280 Jewels (AKA Julian)  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 10:48:44am

re: #275 MJ

Got yer back on that

281 Opinionated  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 10:48:48am

Having a daily need to accuse Israel as many times as possible of causing one, CNN wants to know if they refer to the death of a cartoon rabbit as a "Humanitarian Disaster".

282 Kragar  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 10:48:57am

re: #266 Killgore Trout

Staged MSM Photo of the day.....
Getty Images


It's a carswarm miracle! Car destroyed but the bread survives. The humanitarians delivering the miracle bread weren't so lucky.

Car Swarm aint a car swarm unless they're chucking body parts to members of the crowd.

283 Leonidas Hoplite  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 10:48:58am

re: #260 descolada9

I think one could make the argument that Hitler actually loved his people (those whom he considered to be of Aryan blood, anyways). However, he did have the problem of not being willing to either let others run the war (thank goodness, or we might have lost) or of letting his troops lose face (fiasco in Russia comes to mind). I'm just glad the Germans of WWII didn't think of suicide bombers or worse. And thank goodness that Nazi Germany was defeated. Now if we can just defeat Nazi Hamastan.

I would disagree with the idea that Hitler loved his people. If he had, he would have surrendered long before the Russians began overrunning German territory. I think he loved them when he thought he could use them as tools of expansion but once they began failing him in the face of overwhelming force, he vowed to fight to the end and ensure their destruction. Being not worthy to go on since they couldn't defeat a bunch of slavs and mongrels.

284 smokefire  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 10:49:16am

re: #274 Wookieelips

..................hello honey...............as Apache swoops over neighborhood........

I'm home

285 albusteve  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 10:49:51am

re: #272 Occasional Reader

Good call.


seconded

286 jaunte  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 10:50:02am

re: #266 Killgore Trout

I wonder what 'slogans' they shouted.

287 Desert Dog  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 10:50:02am

re: #262 maddogg

Mr. Johnson. Please delete # 79.

We still like ya Maddogg, fear not

288 yma o hyd  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 10:50:11am

re: #257 zombie

You're a truly honourable zombie!

I did vote for zomblog, seeing that Israel Matzav had so many votes already. But since you give your reason to switch votes, I will do so - I'm a daily israel Matzav visitor, and value Carl's blog very much, especially at this particular time.

thanks, zombie - you're a treasure!

289 transient  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 10:50:19am

re: #216 Maximu§

OT:

Protestors in Florida calling for "jews to go back into Ovens"

Protester Calls for Jews to 'Go Back to the Oven' at Anti-Israel Demonstration

It's really nice to know that they really aren't antisemitic, they're just anti-Israel, and all Israel would have to do is "end the occupation" and there would be peace. They're nonviolent. Islam is a religion of peace. Blah blah blah.

/where's the Advil?

290 redstateredneck  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 10:50:47am

re: #268 Nevergiveup

So does that give me ( a Jew ) the authority to disavow her?

Sure. My point was that she's called Jewish when it serves a purpose. She apparently has never been a practicing Jew.

291 TheOtherCanadian  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 10:50:49am

re: #71 turn

Hey fellow Montrealer....we seriously need to take a look at producing a mock children's program with your characters appearing intermittently. It would tend to drive home the point that these are sick, sick people.

292 smokefire  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 10:51:02am

re: #287 Desert Dog

We still like ya Maddogg, fear not

...............as was said to me.......................

go forth and sin no more.

293 Racer X  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 10:51:09am

re: #256 CommonCents

I'm still looking for a UN success story but I've reached the end of the internet and nothing.


Heh.

294 ROPMA  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 10:51:26am

re: #171 smokefire

who will be the lucky goat, then?

a Hammas fighter and his new bride

295 Cygnus  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 10:51:31am

re: #23 Alouette

Who will be the next cute cartoon creature cuddly bloodthirsty mascot?

Khalil the Cockroach
Gamal the Camel
Mustafa the Maggot
Hussein the Housefly
Leilah the Louse
Jamal the Jackal
Hijab the Goat

Rashad the Rat and Saddam the Giant Bubonic Plague Germ

296 jorline  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 10:51:54am

re: #257 zombie

I just found out that I'm one of the blogs in the "Weblog Awards" this year. But in my category ("Midsize Blog" -- how is that determined? Strange) is also Israel Matzav, by Carl in Jerusalem. Since I have so much admiration for Carl's blog, I refuse to campaign against him! And since he's currently blogging live from a country at war, I think he's a deserving candidate. So: vote for Israel Matzav in the Best Midsize Blog category, unless you really really insist on voting for zomblog anyway, which i suppose you can you if you want -- I can't stop you! But I'd feel guilty taking the award away from Carl, especially since I've won every previous year I've been nominated, and I don't need another award.

Voted for you twice already, zombie.

All the other blogs in that category have campaign link-buttons and pleas to vote, etc. I can't do that. "If nominated, I will not run. If elected, I will not serve!" (Trivia question: who said that originally?)

(Though, in earlier years, I won the "Best Photo Blog" category, but this year they changed trhe definition of the category and made it be blogs which focus on the technicalities of photography, rather than blogs which feature a lot os photographs.)

297 Occasional Reader  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 10:51:59am

re: #283 Leonidas Hoplite

I would disagree with the idea that Hitler loved his people. If he had, he would have surrendered long before the Russians began overrunning German territory. I think he loved them when he thought he could use them as tools of expansion but once they began failing him in the face of overwhelming force, he vowed to fight to the end and ensure their destruction. Being not worthy to go on since they couldn't defeat a bunch of slavs and mongrels.

I think it's also pretty well documented that he felt "betrayed" by "his" people at the end, and decided they weren't worthy of him. That, too, fed into his insane insistence that they all die.

298 Wookieelips  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 10:52:09am

re: #284 smokefire

..................hello honey...............as Apache swoops over neighborhood........

I'm home

Hahaha!

Well, the swooping part happened once. Didn't find out til he got home that it was him that buzzed the house.

299 Kragar  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 10:52:29am

re: #256 CommonCents

Courtesy of The Long War Journal... Hassan Nasrallah says "The Zionists will discover that the war they had in July (2006) was a walk in the park if we compare it to what we've prepared for every new aggression".

I guess that last UN Resolution to deny re-arming Hezbollah was another giant success. If only we could hand all of our problems over the congregation of dictators.

I'm still looking for a UN success story but I've reached the end of the internet and nothing.

Try searching for UNsuccessful. That will turn up a ton of links to the UN

300 Nevergiveup  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 10:52:42am

re: #283 Leonidas Hoplite

I would disagree with the idea that Hitler loved his people. If he had, he would have surrendered long before the Russians began overrunning German territory. I think he loved them when he thought he could use them as tools of expansion but once they began failing him in the face of overwhelming force, he vowed to fight to the end and ensure their destruction. Being not worthy to go on since they couldn't defeat a bunch of slavs and mongrels.

In his "last will and testament" Hilter pretty much called his "people" not Worthy of him and condemned them to a fate worse than death. Paraphrasing, but there is no way you could call it love!

301 albusteve  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 10:52:48am

re: #293 Racer X

Heh.

that will be when you read their obit...imo
the UN is getting people killed

302 smokefire  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 10:53:42am

re: #298 Wookieelips

Hahaha!

Well, the swooping part happened once. Didn't find out til he got home that it was him that buzzed the house.

...............yeah all Apache's look alike.

Former Crash/Rescue member Attack Helicopter Company Savannah GA. 73-75

303 jorline  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 10:53:46am

re: #257 zombie

Try this again...you have two of my votes, zombie.

304 Nevergiveup  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 10:53:50am

re: #287 Desert Dog

We still like ya Maddogg, fear not

Well some of us do, but I'm gonna be charitable and put Walter in the undecided category?

305 Bloodnok  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 10:53:59am

re: #257 zombie

I just found out that I'm one of the blogs in the "Weblog Awards" this year. But in my category ("Midsize Blog" -- how is that determined? Strange) is also Israel Matzav, by Carl in Jerusalem. Since I have so much admiration for Carl's blog, I refuse to campaign against him! And since he's currently blogging live from a country at war, I think he's a deserving candidate. So: vote for Israel Matzav in the Best Midsize Blog category, unless you really really insist on voting for zomblog anyway, which i suppose you can you if you want -- I can't stop you! But I'd feel guilty taking the award away from Carl, especially since I've won every previous year I've been nominated, and I don't need another award.

All the other blogs in that category have campaign link-buttons and pleas to vote, etc. I can't do that. "If nominated, I will not run. If elected, I will not serve!" (Trivia question: who said that originally?)

(Though, in earlier years, I won the "Best Photo Blog" category, but this year they changed trhe definition of the category and made it be blogs which focus on the technicalities of photography, rather than blogs which feature a lot os photographs.)


Your humility is matched only by your mysteriosity. It is truly crupulent.

306 Cygnus  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 10:54:06am

re: #47 Hard Right

Wabbit season!

Duck season!

...etc etc...

307 albusteve  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 10:54:28am

re: #297 Occasional Reader

I think it's also pretty well documented that he felt "betrayed" by "his" people at the end, and decided they weren't worthy of him. That, too, fed into his insane insistence that they all die.

even before when he would not allow his troops to withdraw from Stalingrad to a defensive posture....he ordered them to fight to the death for a lost cause

308 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 10:54:38am

re: #256 CommonCents

The only success story I can see is that the UN has lasted longer, FAR longer, than its predecessor the League of Nations.

Both proposed during a war as a solution to war, both a singular failure except to add a veneer of legitimacy to dictators and thugs, both organizations proposed by Socialist loving and promoting US Presidents.

309 Wookieelips  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 10:55:03am

re: #302 smokefire

...............yeah all Apache's look alike.

Former Crash/Rescue member Attack Helicopter Company Savannah GA. 73-75


Oh, awesome!

That's where we are now. (I am, anyway-he left in Oct)

310 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 10:55:07am

re: #282 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Now they can make Hamas and cheese sandwiches.

311 Hard Right  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 10:55:15am

re: #300 Nevergiveup

In his "last will and testament" Hilter pretty much called his "people" not Worthy of him and condemned them to a fate worse than death. Paraphrasing, but there is no way you could call it love!

He gave the order to flood tunnels where many German citizens had sought refuge form the Russina shelling.

312 Creeping Eruption  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 10:55:19am

re: #205 J.S.

I'm voting LGF...(and I vote often)....

You from Chicago?

313 [deleted]  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 10:55:19am
314 prince of dorkness  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 10:55:29am

I want my hasenpfeffer!

315 turn  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 10:55:51am

re: #251 turn

BBL, actually going over to Huffpo to get an alternate (darkside) world view on the gaza war on terror.

Well that wasn't surprising:

Escalation of depriving blockade
White phosphorus gas burns to the bone
UN schools hit by air strikes
Targeting of civilians
Assault little to do with Gazan rockets
US support responsible
And for the finale: nothing but references to the NYT cited
and the kicker: authored by Marjorie Cohn who is Jewish I presume.

316 albusteve  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 10:56:09am

re: #308 FurryOldGuyJeans

The only success story I can see is that the UN has lasted longer, FAR longer, than its predecessor the League of Nations.

Both proposed during a war as a solution to war, both a singular failure except to add a veneer of legitimacy to dictators and thugs, both organizations proposed by Socialist loving and promoting US Presidents.

the UN is like Mr. Staypuff...smiling and bloated and evil

317 unrealizedviewpoint  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 10:56:10am

re: #306 Cygnus

Duck season!

...etc etc...

Wabbit Season

318 Nevergiveup  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 10:56:17am

re: #311 Hard Right

He gave the order to flood tunnels where many German citizens had sought refuge form the Russina shelling.

One hell of guy?
/

319 Inquisitive  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 10:56:46am

re: #262 maddogg

Mr. Johnson. Please delete # 79.

Way to be a standup guy/person....thank you

320 jwb7605  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 10:56:58am

Hot Air -> LA Times: Restrained Obama leaves many displeased

Boxed in to the point where no matter what he does, it has to be horribly wrong.

321 Nevergiveup  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 10:56:59am

re: #313 Iron Fist

IIRC some of Hitler's last orders were for the SS to start leveling Berlin. If he couldn't win, he wanted to burn it all down around him as he went out. As far as I can tell, there is really no redeeming value in Hitler whatsoever. There's nothing Hitler did that we could point to and say "Yeah, but he did X" about.

He was as close to the Antichrist as the world has ever seen.

I think Stalin could have given him a run for his money.

322 zombie  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 10:56:59am

re: #305 Bloodnok

Your humility is matched only by your mysteriosity. It is truly crupulent.

Crupulent? Does that mean, "Of, or pertaining to, a croupier"?

323 smokefire  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 10:57:29am

re: #309 Wookieelips

Oh, awesome!

That's where we are now. (I am, anyway-he left in Oct)

Got to be Hunter Army Airfield.
Was 238th Aviation. Crash/Rescue. GI's protected the birds, Civilians protected base housing.

Cobra's and Huey's back then.

Be Safe.

324 Leonidas Hoplite  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 10:57:54am

re: #321 Nevergiveup

I think Stalin could have given him a run for his money.

Agreed. Two sides of the same coin.

325 rawmuse  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 10:57:55am

re: #322 zombie

Crupulent? Does that mean, "Of, or pertaining to, a croupier"?

'twas brillig...

326 Rednek  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 10:58:05am

re: #313 Iron Fist

IIRC some of Hitler's last orders were for the SS to start leveling Berlin. If he couldn't win, he wanted to burn it all down around him as he went out. As far as I can tell, there is really no redeeming value in Hitler whatsoever. There's nothing Hitler did that we could point to and say "Yeah, but he did X" about.

He was as close to the Antichrist as the world has ever seen.


What about freeways and Volkswagens?

327 Hard Right  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 10:58:20am

re: #318 Nevergiveup

One hell of guy?
/

One guy in hell. Pure evil is right. Syphilitic amphetamine using bastard.

328 Maximu§  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 10:58:23am
329 Hard Right  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 10:58:48am

re: #326 Rednek

What about freeways and Volkswagens?

More proof.

330 redstateredneck  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 10:58:51am

re: #314 prince of dorkness

I want my hasenpfeffer!

Sclhemeel, schlemazel, hasenpfeffer, incorporated.

331 Nevergiveup  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 10:58:55am

20:03 Report: Israel warns south Gaza residents to evacuate due to immeninent attack (Sky News)

For those who don't speak English well, let me translate:

Get the Fuck Out!

332 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 10:58:56am

re: #320 jwb7605

Hot Air -> LA Times: Restrained Obama leaves many displeased

Boxed in to the point where no matter what he does, it has to be horribly wrong.

And the feared complicity of a Dem controlled Congress may not be as bad as first thought.

The next 4 years will not be a picnic, but the ants are already lining up.

333 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 10:59:20am

re: #262 maddogg

Mr. Johnson. Please delete # 79.

And I apologize for my language. It was not necessary. Period.

334 Bill Dalasio  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 10:59:25am

Well, I'm glad it didn't go anything like this...

335 Wookieelips  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 10:59:35am

re: #323 smokefire

Thanks!

336 jcm  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 11:00:00am

re: #265 Occasional Reader

I actually feel offended when they refer to the 9/11 hijackers using the term "kamikaze". The real Kamikaze pilots fought for the wrong side, but with honor, against military targets that could shoot back.

I the Japanese Bushido code the Kamikaze was an acceptable practice. We in our culture find it horrific. But it's important to understand, even we don't accept it, the cultural context of the kamikaze.

I'm not making a moral equivalence argument, just have the ability to intellectually put the practice in a cultural context, to understand how such practices come about.

I'm not drawing parallels between the two.

But we also need to understand, but not accept the cultural context of the Pali Homicide Bomber. Between the belief in the glory of martyrdom, and the fatalism of "Inshallah" makes such things culturally acceptable, even encouraged to the Palis. When understand these roots, comes the realization of the difficulties in dealing with the problem. That "talking" won't overcome that cultural acceptance. The only thing in the short term that will work is to make suicide bombings, tactically, strategically, economically extremely costly, and force the Palis to re-evaluate the cost benefit of the practice until such a time as the culture makes the changes away from acceptance of idea.

337 Creeping Eruption  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 11:00:06am

re: #253 MJ

I can't believe that CNN would show something like that. They are [gasp] allowing Israel's story to get out.

338 gop_patriot  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 11:00:15am

re: #322 zombie

Crupulent? Does that mean, "Of, or pertaining to, a croupier"?

I searched it on Ask.com and got "did you mean crapulent?"

ROFLOL

339 Nevergiveup  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 11:00:18am

re: #333 Walter L. Newton

And I apologize for my language. It was not necessary. Period.

OK now that we solved that....on to the Middle East!

340 smokefire  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 11:00:23am

re: #333 Walter L. Newton

And I apologize for my language. It was not necessary. Period.

............as was said to me.

Go forth and sin no more.

341 gop_patriot  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 11:00:36am

re: #333 Walter L. Newton

And I apologize for my language. It was not necessary. Period.

Good show.

342 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 11:00:59am

re: #328 Maximu§

Obama expected to end taboo on gays in US military

here we go again....

Interesting how the Clinton years and initiatives are being conveniently ignored by the FMSM.

343 bloodnok  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 11:01:04am

re: #325 rawmuse

'twas brillig...

That was actually a Quote FAIL.

I meant to say crumulent, the fake word from the Simpsons. But the word I mistakenly used means "excessive" so even when I screw up, I'm right.

344 redstateredneck  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 11:01:05am

re: #333 Walter L. Newton

And I apologize for my language. It was not necessary. Period.

See, if the rest of the world would just be like us we'd all get along!
:-)

345 Peacekeeper  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 11:01:13am

Th-th-th-th-that's all folks.

346 Nevergiveup  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 11:01:32am

Burris is a friend of Jimmy Carter? Shit now I am against sitting him.

347 Kragar  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 11:01:33am

re: #328 Maximu§

Obama expected to end taboo on gays in US military

here we go again....

Because with everything going on at home and abroad, this is the really really important issue.

Hasn't even been sworn in and I'm already tired of him

348 smokefire  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 11:01:34am

re: #335 Wookieelips

Thanks!

............oh yeah ,and thank your better half for his service. And a Big BE SAFE TO HIM TOO.

349 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 11:02:06am

re: #305 Bloodnok

Your humility is matched only by your mysteriosity. It is truly crupulent.

Egads, we have VP Elect Biden posting here!

350 unreconstructed rebel  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 11:02:27am

re: #347 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Hasn't even been sworn in and I'm already tired of him

Doesn't take long, does it?

351 Silhouette  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 11:02:31am

re: #331 Nevergiveup

20:03 Report: Israel warns south Gaza residents to evacuate due to immeninent attack (Sky News)

For those who don't speak English well, let me translate:

Get the Fuck Out!

If I was in middle Gaza, I'd be wondering about right now, where exactly does "south" begin? At the midline? The bottom third? Why guess - I'm going to go stand as close to possible to the northern border. Come on, kids.

Meanwhile, Hamas hears that and starts trucking babies and the handicapped to the south, to make for "better" pictures tomorrow.

352 MJ  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 11:02:35am

I would just like to congratulate whoever the person is in Israel that decided to ban all Western "Journalists" from entering Gaza.

353 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 11:02:39am

On UN successes, I repeat the end of a too long post I made earlier:

There was one success, but the UN has been trying to turn it into failure most of the time since then.
That was the creation of the modern State of Israel.

354 rawmuse  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 11:02:40am

re: #343 bloodnok

That was actually a Quote FAIL.

I meant to say crumulent, the fake word from the Simpsons. But the word I mistakenly used means "excessive" so even when I screw up, I'm right.

LOL! I like that. I myself have never been wrong. Except for that one time when I thought that I was mistaken, and was not.

355 jorline  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 11:02:42am

49er pat-downs challenged in court

The case that pits 49er fans' right to privacy against the team's efforts to provide strong security went before the State Supreme Court on Tuesday. It all began with two season ticket holders who objected to being frisked at the gate.

Hey ACLU...STFU!
I would hold the two season ticket holds and the ACLU personally responsible if anyone was hurt with something brought in from the outside that security could have caught.

356 Occasional Reader  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 11:02:44am

re: #313 Iron Fist

As far as I can tell, there is really no redeeming value in Hitler whatsoever.

But he embodied so many "progressive" ideals that are still with us today!

/

/on second thought, belay that sarcasm tag

357 jwb7605  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 11:02:47am

re: #343 bloodnok

That was actually a Quote FAIL.

I meant to say crumulent, the fake word from the Simpsons. But the word I mistakenly used means "excessive" so even when I screw up, I'm right.

you forgot your tag.
/Rush

358 unreconstructed rebel  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 11:03:46am

re: #328 Maximu§

Obama expected to end taboo on gays in US military

here we go again....

I wonder why it is that folks who have never served & ain't ever gonna serve feel like they need to weigh in on this one?

359 RememberSekhmet?  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 11:04:10am

Meanwhile this is how children in Sderot play

in a playground of concrete

360 karmic_inquisitor  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 11:04:25am

We need a betting pool for the next animal/insect to be used by Hamas for brainwashing.

We have had a bee, a mouse, and a rabbit (any others?).

Winner gets a Karma Point from all other participants.

My entry - a Lion.

361 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 11:04:52am

re: #338 gop_patriot

I searched it on Ask.com and got "did you mean crapulent?"

ROFLOL

dictionary.com offers crapulent, corpulent, cromulent and crapplet as "Did you mean...?" suggestions, amongst a few others that I see as a stretch.

362 Occasional Reader  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 11:04:55am

re: #345 Peacekeeper

Th-th-th-th-that's all folks.

Pig reference = offensive to You Know Who

Report for sensitivity training immediately.

363 MandyManners  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 11:05:02am

re: #358 unreconstructed rebel

I wonder why it is that folks who have never served & ain't ever gonna serve feel like they need to weigh in on this one?

Because he'll be the CIC in 13 days?

364 Leonidas Hoplite  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 11:05:14am

re: #360 karmic_inquisitor

We need a betting pool for the next animal/insect to be used by Hamas for brainwashing.

We have had a bee, a mouse, and a rabbit (any others?).

Winner gets a Karma Point from all other participants.

My entry - a Lion.

How about a large, wooden badger?

365 Nevergiveup  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 11:05:28am

re: #355 jorline

49er pat-downs challenged in court

The case that pits 49er fans' right to privacy against the team's efforts to provide strong security went before the State Supreme Court on Tuesday. It all began with two season ticket holders who objected to being frisked at the gate.

Hey ACLU...STFU!
I would hold the two season ticket holds and the ACLU personally responsible if anyone was hurt with something brought in from the outside that security could have caught.

They search you when entering Yankee Stadium. Granted it is a pitiful search and you could sneak in a bazooka, but it's the thought that counts?

366 unreconstructed rebel  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 11:05:42am

re: #363 MandyManners

Ugh!

367 Rednek  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 11:05:45am

re: #360 karmic_inquisitor

We need a betting pool for the next animal/insect to be used by Hamas for brainwashing.

We have had a bee, a mouse, and a rabbit (any others?).

Winner gets a Karma Point from all other participants.

My entry - a Lion.

How about a dog? Or a pig?

368 unrealizedviewpoint  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 11:05:48am

re: #344 redstateredneck

See, if the rest of the world would just be like us we'd all get along!
:-)

If only we could bottle the reason found here at LGF, all the world would be safe and sane.

369 Occasional Reader  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 11:05:56am

re: #328 Maximu§

Obama expected to end taboo on gays in US military

here we go again....

Next up: the Army's new all-leather Battle Dress Uniform

370 Shr_Nfr  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 11:05:57am

re: #149 Iron Fist

Please, please tell me that they aren't going to try that with the LHC at CERN. The black hole that would result would swallow the world.

371 Kenneth  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 11:05:59am

Kill the Wabbit!

372 Cygnus  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 11:06:01am

re: #149 Iron Fist

When fat bull dykes collide...

Ewwwwwwww

373 Kragar  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 11:06:05am

re: #364 Leonidas Hoplite

How about a large, wooden badger?

Enough you.

And go and change your armor.

374 yma o hyd  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 11:06:08am

re: #331 Nevergiveup

20:03 Report: Israel warns south Gaza residents to evacuate due to immeninent attack (Sky News)

For those who don't speak English well, let me translate:

Get the Fuck Out!

In case people think that the IDF isn't leaving the much time to evacuate, The Muqata reported this hours ago:
12:11 PM Israel Channel 2 TV Reports: IDF warning Rafiah residents in Gaza to be gone by 6 PM this evening.

That is around mid-day Israel time ...

375 Nevergiveup  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 11:06:20am

re: #358 unreconstructed rebel

I wonder why it is that folks who have never served & ain't ever gonna serve feel like they need to weigh in on this one?

Good point.

376 smokefire  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 11:06:29am

Well time to make dinner for better half, walk down ice covered driveway, and get mail...............It's New England, and it's winter, make a nice little drink of 15 year old Scotch, and watch Armegeddon Week on History Channel.

don't get much better than that.

Later

377 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 11:06:50am

re: #358 unreconstructed rebel

I wonder why it is that folks who have never served & ain't ever gonna serve feel like they need to weigh in on this one?

Because they think they know better than the idiots that hijacked into serving.

/ hard to add sarcasm when posting true Lib thought.

378 Shr_Nfr  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 11:06:52am

re: #360 karmic_inquisitor

well the have been lyin' for a long time, so I think you may be on to something.

379 rawmuse  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 11:06:53am

re: #355 jorline

That case is a loser. When you buy the ticket, it says right on the ticket that consent to normal security measures. No one is forcing you to go to the game.

380 albusteve  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 11:07:02am

re: #353 Kosh's Shadow

On UN successes, I repeat the end of a too long post I made earlier:

There was one success, but the UN has been trying to turn it into failure most of the time since then.
That was the creation of the modern State of Israel.

Doh!....jolly good catch...everyone missed the obvious altho sadly 'It' probably regrets now in spades

381 OldLineTexan  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 11:07:07am

re: #369 Occasional Reader

Next up: the Army's new all-leather Battle Dress Uniform

Think of all the jokes...

Private, the Corporal and I are going to do an end-run. Cover my rear.

382 Leonidas Hoplite  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 11:07:17am

re: #373 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Enough you.

And go and change your armor.

Ok, ok...

/braving running away...

383 Hard Right  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 11:07:25am

re: #360 karmic_inquisitor

We need a betting pool for the next animal/insect to be used by Hamas for brainwashing.

We have had a bee, a mouse, and a rabbit (any others?).

Winner gets a Karma Point from all other participants.

My entry - a Lion.

A bird.

384 Hard Right  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 11:07:50am

re: #381 OldLineTexan

Think of all the jokes...

Private, the Corporal and I are going to do an end-run. Cover my rear.

Or the new pants...that are assless...

385 bulwrk  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 11:07:51am

re: #365 Nevergiveup

I'm more surprised to learn that the 49ers still have two season ticket holders.

386 unreconstructed rebel  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 11:08:29am

re: #377 FurryOldGuyJeans

the idiots that hijacked into serving

I just saw a ghost from the Viet Nam era. [Shudder]

387 OldLineTexan  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 11:08:32am

re: #383 Hard Right

A bird.

Weasel?

Skunk? ( I know, not native )

Hamster!

388 Cygnus  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 11:08:38am

re: #177 Hard Right

I have the image of two male elephant seals fighting stuck in my head now.

Oh. Dear. God.

389 OldLineTexan  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 11:09:05am

re: #386 unreconstructed rebel

I just saw a ghost from the Viet Nam era. [Shudder]

Maybe Jon Cary will halp us...

//

390 Cygnus  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 11:09:28am

re: #183 jemima

In the history of the world has an entire country gone insane prior to the palestinians?

Nazi Germany.

391 jcm  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 11:09:32am

re: #379 rawmuse

That case is a loser. When you buy the ticket, it says right on the ticket that consent to normal security measures. No one is forcing you to go to the game.

Sheesh, just pick a line where the screener is someone you'd like to have pat you down.

392 RememberSekhmet?  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 11:09:42am

I'm thinking the rabbit will be replaced by a goat---just to get the daddies interested.

393 Ben Hur  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 11:09:56am

Hate hit list

FEARS grew last night that hate-filled Islamic extremists are drawing up a “hit list” of Britain’s leading Jews — bringing the Middle East conflict terrifyingly close to home.

Translation:

Israel is a Nazi state for defending itself against Islamic "extremism," but G-d forbid it should come here because, I guess, we wouldn't fight it?

394 redstateredneck  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 11:09:59am

re: #360 karmic_inquisitor

We need a betting pool for the next animal/insect to be used by Hamas for brainwashing.

We have had a bee, a mouse, and a rabbit (any others?).

Winner gets a Karma Point from all other participants.

My entry - a Lion.

Assud means lion, so if they use a lion I guess they'll name him after a rabbit.

395 Hard Right  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 11:10:07am

re: #377 FurryOldGuyJeans

Because they think they know better than the idiots that hijacked into serving.

/ hard to add sarcasm when posting true Lib thought.

Yes, the people who claim to support our troops while calling them nazis, murderers, and terrorists also think they were the ones too dumb to do anything else. What's that liberal saying? The bottom 10% of our classmates are off to fight another war.

396 Silhouette  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 11:10:08am

re: #360 karmic_inquisitor

We need a betting pool for the next animal/insect to be used by Hamas for brainwashing.

We have had a bee, a mouse, and a rabbit (any others?).

Winner gets a Karma Point from all other participants.

My entry - a Lion.

Ever unable to come up with anything original, they copied Mickey Mouse and Bugs Bunny. I'm not sure where they got the bee.

So the next character will be a copy of a very popular western idea. I'd say a big purple dinosaur, or maybe a blue dog, but both go against islam, so maybe something like Big Bird.

397 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 11:10:57am

re: #386 unreconstructed rebel

I just saw a ghost from the Viet Nam era. [Shudder]

Libs think even those who choose to serve in the All Volunteer Military are shanghaied and hijacked and could not be all that well informed or smart.

398 Kragar  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 11:11:08am

re: #381 OldLineTexan

Think of all the jokes...

Private, the Corporal and I are going to do an end-run. Cover my rear.

I want you to swab the poop deck.

OH THANK YOU, THIR! THANK YOU!

399 Occasional Reader  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 11:11:29am

re: #394 redstateredneck

Assud means lion, so if they use a lion I guess they'll name him after a rabbit.

"Flopsy the Lion"?

400 OldLineTexan  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 11:11:35am

re: #396 Silhouette

Ever unable to come up with anything original, they copied Mickey Mouse and Bugs Bunny. I'm not sure where they got the bee.

So the next character will be a copy of a very popular western idea. I'd say a big purple dinosaur, or maybe a blue dog, but both go against islam, so maybe something like Big Bird.

Well, they can't use El Mo, and Bert and Ernie are almost certainly forbidden, so maybe Heckle and Jeckle?

401 OldLineTexan  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 11:12:19am

re: #399 Occasional Reader

"Flopsy the Lion"?

Not bad. What's Arabic for "Bugs", or "Oswald"? We must keep the originality quotient LOW.

402 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 11:12:24am

re: #328 Maximu§

Obama expected to end taboo on gays in US military

here we go again....

Mark my words, this guy is going to get caught with his pants down in the Oval Office.

403 Rednek  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 11:12:28am

re: #177 Hard Right

I have the image of two male elephant seals fighting stuck in my head now.

I picture something like this:
OO

404 unreconstructed rebel  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 11:12:35am

re: #397 FurryOldGuyJeans

Libs think even those who choose to serve in the All Volunteer Military are shanghaied and hijacked and could not be all that well informed or smart.

In my time it was the draft. All the "smart" ones headed for Canada. Just us dummies stuck around for the draft.

405 Ayatollah Ghilmeini  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 11:12:36am

Gaza By the Numbers

By UN accounts, 15 million Palestinians live in Gaza. No Jews live in Gaza because all the Jews and every vestige of the the 35 year presence in Gaza was removed by the Sharon Government in 2005. In addition, thanks to forced conversions from the intimidation of thugs and a few well placed bombs, the number of Christians in Gaza is in deep decline as are the number, if any are left of outlets selling alcohol. Aside from Palestinians, the only increases of note in Gaza in the last two years are members of al Qaeda, Iranian terror trainers, sponsors and money and European aid to alleviate Palestinian suffering.

Hamas built up a force of some 15,000 paramilitary men. This is kind of like bisexuality as they swing both ways between full blown terrorism and use as a military force against the civilian population and political opponents. This was only made possible with Iranian money and the vicious putsch of 2007 which saw Yassir Arafat's personal chef flung from the top story of a building with his hands tied behind his back. According to Hamas own charter, everything they do is in the name of Islam and done using Islamic methods because they are an Islamic organization; they are a Muslim Brotherhood, so is Al Qaeda.

While I am an imperfect prophet and the fighting is not over, I can predict with 100% certainty that the population of Gaza after this war is over will be 1.5 million, less, at most 5000 Hamas terrorists and the unfortunate Palestinian victims killed by Hamas hiding in their midst or brought down by any incidental/accidental fire.

Please note that if Hitler had been as "merciless" as Israel is supposedly is to Palestinians, the Jewish population of Poland alone (assuming no one moved out and zero population growth) would be 2.7 million Jews instead of the 5000 today (3 million Poles or 10% of Poland's non-Jews died of privation and murder from 1939-1945, the 2.7 million number assumes everyone suffering equally in a war).

The point of all this is the absolute moral absurdity of accusing Israel of genocide and the assertion of disproportionality argument. Israel is only using as much force as needed to remove the cancer and the casualty figures prove it. The facts behind the lopsided Palestinian casualty figures are reflected by a simple truth- Hamas is great at killing civilians and terrorizing its subjects but faced by a conventional army, they run and hide or, when they do fight, get cut down like dogs because they aren't trained to fight as normal soldiers. Lastly, if Israel used its military against Gaza the way Hamas uses its forces against Israel, Palestinian civilian casualty figures would be much higher. A single Vietnam era air strike with 10 planes using 1000lb bombs would likely kill several thousand people.

So the numbers do not lie. Israel is using force, but scrupulously, and Hamas is way better at causing Palestinian casualties than fighting a normal war.

Believe in the Victory!

406 redstateredneck  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 11:12:43am

re: #396 Silhouette

I'd say a big purple dinosaur.


I hate you,
You hate me,
Be a good little jihadi...

407 Ben Hur  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 11:12:47am

That little girl has been married for a while.

408 [deleted]  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 11:12:57am
409 daveycrockett  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 11:13:02am

this just in.... [Link: www.foxnews.com...]

410 Hard Right  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 11:13:04am

re: #388 Cygnus

Oh. Dear. God.

The brain bleach didn't work. I'm having a brain scan to determine where the image is stored. I have a power drill...

411 CyanSnowHawk  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 11:13:04am

re: #396 Silhouette

Ever unable to come up with anything original, they copied Mickey Mouse and Bugs Bunny. I'm not sure where they got the bee.

So the next character will be a copy of a very popular western idea. I'd say a big purple dinosaur, or maybe a blue dog, but both go against islam, so maybe something like Big Bird.

Maybe the bee came from the old SNL killer bee skits?

412 Thor-Zone  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 11:13:12am

re: #279 Silhouette

For comparison, when "Steve" on Blues Clues was replaced with "Joe," what if the producers had told the children that "Steve" was killed by Muslim jihadists. And what if this was at the request of the Bush administration.

Would the LLL of this country see THAT as an evil act, twisting the minds of tiny children into hate and bigotry? I presume they would.

But for the Palis, they get a pass. Every evil act they do is excused as a "natural" response to some unspoken greater evil that was done TO them.

This is the thing I have never understood about the LLL and the so called intelligentsia in this country. I just don't get it. Is it BDS run amok?

413 Nevergiveup  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 11:13:20am

re: #402 Who Watches the Watchmen?

Mark my words, this guy is going to get caught with his pants down in the Oval Office.


Why isn't he toilet trained yet?

414 smokefire  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 11:13:46am

Cowardly Lion, sounds like a winner to me

415 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 11:13:59am

re: #402 Who Watches the Watchmen?

Mark my words, this guy is going to get caught with his pants down in the Oval Office.

Or a lot of cash in the freezer. Or some other political scandal that the FMSM will break only after He gets re-elected.

416 OldLineTexan  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 11:14:02am

re: #402 Who Watches the Watchmen?

Mark my words, this guy is going to get caught with his pants down in the Oval Office.

AP Headline News...

OBAMA IN PERFECT PHYSICAL CONDITION, SAYS MEDICAL INTERN

Reuters...

TAN AND BUFF, OBAMA RETURNS TO ACTION

San Francisco Leather Shopper Gazette...

OBAMA FINALLY COMES AROUND ON GAY RIGHTS

417 Silhouette  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 11:14:03am

re: #395 Hard Right

Yes, the people who claim to support our troops while calling them nazis, murderers, and terrorists also think they were the ones too dumb to do anything else. What's that liberal saying? The bottom 10% of our classmates are off to fight another war.

The left can only see the military as one of two ways: either villains or victims.

They are bullies and thugs, terrifying and killing babies, or they are poor, uneducated pawns of evil rich men running the war. Most of the time the leftists consider them both at the same time without noticing the conflict.

It is when they are considering them poor stupid vicitims that they, the left, feel they are "supporting" the troops, by protecting them from the evil men using them.

418 transient  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 11:14:04am

re: #328 Maximu§

Obama expected to end taboo on gays in US military

here we go again....

Good.
It's time we hired (or retained) people based on their qualifications for the job, rather than their race, gender, or sexual orientation. (Isn't that what conservative opposition to affirmative action is all about?) We have lost qualified personnel at a time when we sorely needed them. Other armed forces have not been hindered or rendered any less effective by equality in this area.

419 Peacekeeper  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 11:14:06am

re: #362 Occasional Reader

Pig reference = offensive to You Know Who

Report for sensitivity training immediately.

Will that save my bacon?

420 Occasional Reader  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 11:14:07am

re: #392 RememberSekhmet?

I'm thinking the rabbit will be replaced by a goat---just to get the daddies interested.

Ah, the "Xuxa" strategy for childrens' t.v. programming.

421 Aye Pod  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 11:14:16am

re: #328 Maximu§

Obama expected to end taboo on gays in US military

here we go again....

Obama has pledged to overhaul current law.

"The key test for military service should be patriotism, a sense of duty, and a willingness to serve. Discrimination should be prohibited," reads an entry on the president-elect's transition website.

Seems perfectly reasonable to me.

422 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 11:14:48am

re: #404 unreconstructed rebel

In my time it was the draft. All the "smart" ones headed for Canada. Just us dummies stuck around for the draft.

Honor and Duty are a hard thing to flee.

423 Bloodnok  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 11:14:55am

re: #400 OldLineTexan

Well, they can't use El Mo, and Bert and Ernie are almost certainly forbidden, so maybe Heckle and Jeckle?

Who was that character on the muppet show that threw exploding fish?

424 [deleted]  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 11:14:59am
425 Cygnus  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 11:15:12am

re: #228 Occasional Reader

We laugh at this story, but of course it represents something deeply, deeply disturbing.

Why did Hamas t.v. "kill" Assud? Why, to further drive home the lesson to Palestinian tots that they must hatehatehatehate the Jews.

Pure evil.

Too bad we can't get the innocent people out of there and then just carpet bomb it all to Hell.

426 Desert Dog  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 11:15:16am

re: #360 karmic_inquisitor

We need a betting pool for the next animal/insect to be used by Hamas for brainwashing.

We have had a bee, a mouse, and a rabbit (any others?).

Winner gets a Karma Point from all other participants.

My entry - a Lion.

If they had truth in advertising, it would be a giant yellow chicken

427 Creeping Eruption  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 11:15:38am

re: #409 daveycrockett

this just in.... [Link: www.foxnews.com...]

May she choke on her tongue with her next braying ULULULULU . . .

428 Cathypop  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 11:15:53am

re: #360 karmic_inquisitor

We need a betting pool for the next animal/insect to be used by Hamas for brainwashing.

We have had a bee, a mouse, and a rabbit (any others?).

Winner gets a Karma Point from all other participants.

My entry - a Lion.


How about a cockroach

429 Sheila Broflovski  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 11:16:01am

re: #248 redstateredneck

Roseanne's parents were Jewish but they raised her in Utah as a Latter Day Saint.
autobiography

If Roseanne can speak for "all Jewish people" can I speak for all brown-eyed, blood type O+ people?

430 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 11:16:12am

re: #423 Bloodnok

Who was that character on the muppet show that threw exploding fish?

Gonzo?

431 smokefire  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 11:16:25am

re: #409 daveycrockett

this just in.... [Link: www.foxnews.com...]

Dear God, it appears that this gene pool is in some serious need of Chlorine. Please Help.

432 CommonCents  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 11:16:56am

re: #276 Kosh's Shadow

If you include making money off dictators, as in the oil for graft program, then they have been successful.
Or getting out of parking tickets.
Or maybe showing how people get dumber if you put too many together.

Oh YES - there was one success, but the UN has been trying to turn it into failure most of the time since then.
That was the creation of the modern State of Israel.

The creation of the modern State of Israel may be attributed to a UN resolution, but credit should go to the allies who created it, not the UN.

433 Occasional Reader  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 11:17:18am

Later.

434 daveycrockett  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 11:17:22am

here's the full vid of what happened at the rally

435 debutaunt  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 11:17:24am

re: #411 CyanSnowHawk

Maybe the bee came from the old SNL killer bee skits?

Eric the half-a-bee from Monty Python.

436 DeafDog  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 11:17:37am

re: #418 transient

I fear the loss of effectiveness in the military if this issue gets pushed into place.

Which other armed forces are you referring to and what's your evidence that there has been no loss of effectiveness?

437 rawmuse  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 11:17:54am

re: #409 daveycrockett

this just in.... [Link: www.foxnews.com...]

My bet is that the video will still be inadequate to change the attitudes of secular Jews.

438 JohnAdams  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 11:18:01am

re: #406 redstateredneck

I hate you,
You hate me,
Be a good little jihadi...

...with a bomb and a knife
and a kassam rocket too
won't you kill some evil Jews?

439 DesertSage  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 11:18:08am

Has anyone seen this yet?

A pro-Palestinian demonstrator shouts 'go back to the oven' to a small group of Israel supporters during a confrontation last week in Ft. Lauderdale, Fla.

Isn't that considered hate speech?

440 Nevergiveup  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 11:18:18am

Abbas to meet with Spanish PM
Published: 01.07.09, 21:05 / Israel News
Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas is scheduled to arrive in Madrid on Thursday, where he will meet with Spanish Prime Minister Jose Luis Rodriguez Zapatero and Foreign Minister Miguel Angel Moratinos. The three will discuss the fighting in Gaza. (AFP)

Yeah, I bet these 2 are gonna be real complimentary towards Israel?

441 Cygnus  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 11:18:18am

re: #230 bulwrk

It amazes me that that the Europeans spent billions building that super collider when for much less they could have put Rosanne and Rosie at opposite ends of a football field and placed a bucket of chicken on the 50 yard line with the same results.

Because a Rosie/Rosanne collision would initiate a chain reaction that would destroy the universe.

442 Bloodnok  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 11:18:25am

re: #430 FurryOldGuyJeans

Gonzo?

I think there was some sort of mad bomber guy. It wasn't Gonzo.

443 daveycrockett  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 11:18:38am

what disgusts me is that this happened in my state

444 bulwrk  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 11:18:47am

re: #418 transient

Unit cohesion is just as important to the military as filling job billets,and what other armed forces are you talking about.

445 Creeping Eruption  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 11:18:48am

re: #441 Cygnus

Because a Rosie/Rosanne collision would initiate a chain reaction that would destroy the universe.

Kind of like crossing the beams, huh?

446 yma o hyd  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 11:18:59am

re: #393 Ben Hur

Hate hit list

Translation:

Israel is a Nazi state for defending itself against Islamic "extremism," but G-d forbid it should come here because, I guess, we wouldn't fight it?

Yah well, LLL and moonbats just do not understand that for Hamas as for all jihadists its not about Gaza, its not even just about Israel - its about killing all Jews, anywhere in the world.

447 Sheila Broflovski  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 11:19:00am

re: #428 Cathypop

How about a cockroach

Kamil the Cockroach
Hussein the Housefly
Mustafa the Maggot
Jamaal the Jackal
Hijab the Goat
Leilah the Louse (or Locust)

448 Nevergiveup  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 11:19:02am

re: #439 DesertSage

Has anyone seen this yet?

A pro-Palestinian demonstrator shouts 'go back to the oven' to a small group of Israel supporters during a confrontation last week in Ft. Lauderdale, Fla.

Isn't that considered hate speech?

In my house it is.

449 Peacekeeper  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 11:19:06am

What's next- another beloved 1940's icon or something more modern? Fred Flintstone offers a nice tie in to rock worship. Scooby Doo is right out. They haven't the budget for a transformer. They need a character suitable to their crude skills.
Spongebob?

450 redstateredneck  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 11:19:22am

re: #438 JohnAdams

...with a bomb and a knife
and a kassam rocket too
won't you kill some evil Jews?

Winner, winner!

451 Pyrocles  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 11:19:33am

If someone is willing to fight and die for his, her ( or its...heh bad...) country, who has the right to stop them based on their sexual orientation? More power to them. A gay man in the military is a better man than I'll ever be.

re: #418 transient

Good.
It's time we hired (or retained) people based on their qualifications for the job, rather than their race, gender, or sexual orientation. (Isn't that what conservative opposition to affirmative action is all about?) We have lost qualified personnel at a time when we sorely needed them. Other armed forces have not been hindered or rendered any less effective by equality in this area.

452 smokefire  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 11:19:59am

The creation of the modern State of Israel may be attributed to a UN resolution, but credit should go to the allies who created it, not the UN.

Maybe so, but 2 things, it was the settler's, of Israel that created Israel, and secondly, Thank God, that Israel was created in 1948 and not 2008. The UN would never have been able to make a decision.

453 unreconstructed rebel  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 11:20:10am

re: #443 daveycrockett

what disgusts me is that this happened in my state

There's a lot of that going around. Which state you talking about?

454 Sheila Broflovski  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 11:20:18am

re: #439 DesertSage

Has anyone seen this yet?

A pro-Palestinian demonstrator shouts 'go back to the oven' to a small group of Israel supporters during a confrontation last week in Ft. Lauderdale, Fla.

Isn't that considered hate speech?

I watched the video of this ugly b*tch. She was also shouting "You are all loosers!" "Your mother is whore!"

455 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 11:20:18am

re: #448 Nevergiveup

Thankfully we don't have hate speech laws in this country (yet).

456 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 11:20:27am

re: #428 Cathypop

How about a cockroach

Land Shark

457 Nevergiveup  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 11:20:32am

re: #451 Pyrocles

If someone is willing to fight and die for his, her ( or its...heh bad...) country, who has the right to stop them based on their sexual orientation? More power to them. A gay man in the military is a better man than I'll ever be.

Which effectively is what "don't ask Don't tell"

458 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 11:20:38am

re: #439 DesertSage

Has anyone seen this yet?

A pro-Palestinian demonstrator shouts 'go back to the oven' to a small group of Israel supporters during a confrontation last week in Ft. Lauderdale, Fla.

Isn't that considered hate speech?

Not for Libs. Hate speech for them is any that is Pro-Israel/Anti-Palestinian.

459 [deleted]  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 11:20:44am
460 transient  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 11:20:45am

re: #426 Desert Dog

If they had truth in advertising, it would be a giant yellow chicken

If they had truth in advertising, it would be the scorpion.
(If y'all don't know the fable, I can repeat it.)

461 DeafDog  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 11:21:00am

re: #439 DesertSage

Has anyone seen this yet?

A pro-Palestinian demonstrator shouts 'go back to the oven' to a small group of Israel supporters during a confrontation last week in Ft. Lauderdale, Fla.

Isn't that considered hate speech?

It sure ain't love speech

462 debutaunt  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 11:21:04am

re: #429 Alouette

If Roseanne can speak for "all Jewish people" can I speak for all brown-eyed, blood type O+ people?

I speak for all blue-eyed O+ people.

463 Creeping Eruption  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 11:21:06am

re: #456 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

Land Shark

Comedy is Halal. Off with your head infidel!

464 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 11:21:09am

re: #445 Creeping Eruption

Kind of like crossing the beams, huh?

I hate it when my schwartz gets all twisted like that!

465 Peacekeeper  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 11:21:21am

re: #452 smokefire

The creation of the modern State of Israel may be attributed to a UN resolution, but credit should go to the allies who created it, not the UN.

Maybe so, but 2 things, it was the settler's, of Israel that created Israel, and secondly, Thank God, that Israel was created in 1948 and not 2008. The UN would never have been able to make a decision.

The jewish survivors of the Holocaust would still be living in Polish refugee camps.

466 daveycrockett  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 11:21:47am

re: #453 unreconstructed rebel

The supposedly sunshine state, though that vid doesn't exactly make it seem all that bright does it?

467 unreconstructed rebel  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 11:21:54am

re: #443 daveycrockett

re: #453 unreconstructed rebel

There's a lot of that going around. Which state you talking about?

Belay that. Misread your comment.

468 tfc3rid  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 11:22:09am

re: #456 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

Land Shark

Jimmy Buffet has already got that one down...

469 unrealizedviewpoint  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 11:22:16am

re: #437 rawmuse

My bet is that the video will still be inadequate to change the attitudes of secular Jews.

another pass issued ..just an isolated hate incident ..no attention paid.

470 Aye Pod  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 11:22:20am

re: #436 DeafDog

I fear the loss of effectiveness in the military if this issue gets pushed into place.

Which other armed forces are you referring to and what's your evidence that there has been no loss of effectiveness?

Why would you expect a loss of effectiveness? They seem to be no less adept than straight people in any other walk of life.

471 Cygnus  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 11:22:23am

re: #282 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Car Swarm aint a car swarm unless they're chucking body parts to members of the crowd.

So the Pillsbury Dough Boy was driving?

472 jamgarr  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 11:22:32am

re: #442 Bloodnok

I think there was some sort of mad bomber guy. It wasn't Gonzo.

Animal?

473 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 11:22:40am

re: #442 Bloodnok

I think there was some sort of mad bomber guy. It wasn't Gonzo.

Gonzo did a lot of weird things, like eating a tire inner tube to the Flight of the Bumblebee. He also had a thing for hens.

474 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 11:22:41am

re: #455 Killgore Trout

Thankfully we don't have hate speech laws in this country (yet).

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

475 notutopia  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 11:22:42am

re: #439 DesertSage

Has anyone seen this yet?

A pro-Palestinian demonstrator shouts 'go back to the oven' to a small group of Israel supporters during a confrontation last week in Ft. Lauderdale, Fla.

Isn't that considered hate speech?

The MSM will not call it hate speech unless You shout 'go back to the oven' in context to Al Gore.

476 Nevergiveup  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 11:22:59am

Vatican official: Gaza has become concentration camp
Published: 01.07.09, 20:45 / Israel News
Cardinal Renato Martino, president of the Pontifical Council for Justice and Peace, said that the Gaza Strip is slowly becoming "a concentration camp". In an interview with an Italian daily he said both sides "were not taking the other into consideration". (AFP)

Hey Renato get a real job!

477 daveycrockett  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 11:24:22am

re: #434 daveycrockett

the part where their one of their leaders talks about how beautiful islam is while the people around him are calling for Jews to go back into ovens is a great example of how hypocritical these nutjobs are.

478 Hard Right  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 11:24:36am

re: #417 Silhouette

The left can only see the military as one of two ways: either villains or victims.

They are bullies and thugs, terrifying and killing babies, or they are poor, uneducated pawns of evil rich men running the war. Most of the time the leftists consider them both at the same time without noticing the conflict.

It is when they are considering them poor stupid vicitims that they, the left, feel they are "supporting" the troops, by protecting them from the evil men using them.

However, when they think political gains can be made by bashing them they will do so. Same for "supporting" them. See Abu-Ghraib and the Humvee/body armor issue.

479 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 11:24:41am

How to defeat Hamas:
http://www.webhamster.com/

480 Kenneth  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 11:24:44am

#439 DesertSage

Has anyone seen this yet?

A pro-Palestinian demonstrator shouts 'go back to the oven' to a small group of Israel supporters during a confrontation last week in Ft. Lauderdale, Fla.

Isn't that considered hate speech?

///You must be an islamophobe for pointing this out.

481 Spare O'Lake  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 11:24:51am

Burris is dead to me after he bragged at his press conference that Jimmy Carter had just phoned him and endorsed his Senate appointment.

482 smokefire  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 11:25:00am

re: #463 Creeping Eruption

Comedy is Halal. Off with your head infidel!

How about Sharkie , the leaping shark
Image: shark-attack-stories-4.jpg

483 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 11:25:00am

re: #474 Walter L. Newton

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

The Speech Codes section just below is especially chilling.

484 Kenneth  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 11:25:10am

re: #479 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

linky brokey

485 DeafDog  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 11:25:13am

re: #449 Peacekeeper

What's next- another beloved 1940's icon or something more modern? Fred Flintstone offers a nice tie in to rock worship. Scooby Doo is right out. They haven't the budget for a transformer. They need a character suitable to their crude skills.
Spongebob?

It's a toss-up between a Giant Douche and a Turd Sandwich, believe it or not.

486 CyanSnowHawk  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 11:25:38am

re: #436 DeafDog

I fear the loss of effectiveness in the military if this issue gets pushed into place.

Which other armed forces are you referring to and what's your evidence that there has been no loss of effectiveness?

That is the same argument given for resisting race and gender integration. While it will cause ripples, this is something that will have to be done eventually, and there is never a "good" time for an upheaval. Since we can expect the MSM to blare the trumpets from the mountain tops (or at least throw a few wine and cheese parties) when it happens, there is no avoiding an upheaval now or for the foreseeable future. I expect that it won't happen until we are out of Iraq however, and maybe Afghanistan.

487 Emperor Norton  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 11:26:09am

"Of course you realize, this means war!"
--Bugs Bunny

488 Maximu§  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 11:26:16am

re: #421 Jimmah

Seems perfectly reasonable to me.

Did you serve in the military?

I did and this will ruin morale.

Whats happening here is a take-down of our military. Just as our police depts and fire depts have been taken down by "diversity", the Liberals have now set their sights on the military.

489 transient  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 11:26:18am

re: #444 bulwrk

Unit cohesion is just as important to the military as filling job billets,and what other armed forces are you talking about.

Israel, to name a big one. And they certainly have had no problems with unit cohesion. Other Euro countries also allow gays in the military, and before you scoff at their lack of combat experience (as I was about to do), recall please that the UK has served in Iraq and Afghanistan, and other NATO countries at least in Afghan.

I accepted the unit cohesion argument until a few years ago, but since many other nations have no problem with it, I now think this is a bunch of hooey. Certainly it will take some getting used to, but so did allowing blacks in integrated units. I think that ultimately soldiers want teammates they can rely on first and foremost. And they would trust a competent gay buddy more than an incompetent straight one.

490 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 11:26:22am

re: #484 Kenneth

linky brokey

Dang!

Hamas Buster

491 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 11:26:34am

re: #484 Kenneth

linky brokey

NYAH! Be glad it is! ;)

492 Nevergiveup  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 11:26:58am

re: #486 CyanSnowHawk

That is the same argument given for resisting race and gender integration. While it will cause ripples, this is something that will have to be done eventually, and there is never a "good" time for an upheaval. Since we can expect the MSM to blare the trumpets from the mountain tops (or at least throw a few wine and cheese parties) when it happens, there is no avoiding an upheaval now or for the foreseeable future. I expect that it won't happen until we are out of Iraq however, and maybe Afghanistan.


Don't count on that. And what I don't understand is what is wrong with " don't tell don't ask"?

493 smokefire  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 11:27:05am

re: #476 Nevergiveup

Vatican official: Gaza has become concentration camp
Published: 01.07.09, 20:45 / Israel News
Cardinal Renato Martino, president of the Pontifical Council for Justice and Peace, said that the Gaza Strip is slowly becoming "a concentration camp". In an interview with an Italian daily he said both sides "were not taking the other into consideration". (AFP)

Hey Renato get a real job!

Nothing like ignoring what happened with the Jews during the Holocaust. Concentration Camps?
Never heard of them.
Hey Renato, go molest another alter boy

494 Ayatollah Ghilmeini  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 11:27:25am

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495 Silhouette  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 11:27:39am

re: #421 Jimmah

Seems perfectly reasonable to me.

Not entirely reasonable. He goes too far is saying there should be no requirements but the ones he lists. There should be a lot more to it than a willingness to join. The military should be able to be discriminating in its choice, considering their job is the most vital one around.

For example, I should NOT be able to be a fighter pilot, as I am too old to enter the program now, and I have poor vision. And too short for many of the planes. For something like the Navy Seals, I am too small and weak.

I for one don't want a heart surgeon that was accepted to a medical school that takes everyone who wants to go.

If he wants to say the sexual orientation discrimination should be removed, then he should address just that, but don't remove all discriminations with some blanket statement.

496 tfc3rid  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 11:27:41am

re: #476 Nevergiveup

That's a very sad statement from the Vatican...

497 karmic_inquisitor  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 11:27:46am

re: #358 unreconstructed rebel

I wonder why it is that folks who have never served & ain't ever gonna serve feel like they need to weigh in on this one?

I did serve and commanded a company which I am pretty sure had a gay specialist in it. It was before don't ask don't tell.

That specialist was a damned fine troop - he was a cut above and could be relied on to do anything without complaint. Top brought the whole issue up with me - no one had any idea - he had been seen outside a gay bar in his hometown by a buck sergeant from his platoon. We decided to keep it quiet. Later I told my commander over a beer (the guy had moved on) and he said he'd handled similar situations the same way.

Before don't ask don't tell the policy was actually don't ask don't tell. You had a few witch hunts here and there but most senior enlisted and officers didn't really give a shit (or were kept ignorant if someone thought they would give a shit). Most guys "coming out" to their commanders simply wanted out of the military and that was their ticket.

It would be nice to go back to that status quo, but it will never happen. Now being gay is as much a political statement as it is a sexual matter and don't ask don't tell is used that way. This country has patriotic citizens who want to serve who are gay and should serve just as they have in the past.

498 Aye Pod  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 11:28:04am

re: #449 Peacekeeper

What's next- another beloved 1940's icon or something more modern? Fred Flintstone offers a nice tie in to rock worship. Scooby Doo is right out. They haven't the budget for a transformer. They need a character suitable to their crude skills.
Spongebob?

Pick an animal - any animal except pig, dog or ape - make a really shitty costume of it, stick a squeaky voiced terrorist inside - you're done. That's the entire creative process.

499 smokefire  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 11:28:14am

re: #496 tfc3rid

..........and this surprises you?

500 Nevergiveup  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 11:28:41am

re: #489 transient

Openly gay soldiers have problems in the Israeli Army.

501 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 11:28:44am

re: #494 Ayatollah Ghilmeini

Being signed up at Ummah.com yield dividends! Your email gives you treasures like this:

How these guys could ever hope to get aid to Gaza is besides the point. The reality is they completely agree with the false spin of the radical Islamists and there is the better than likely possibility an donation will go to non-humanitarian purposes.

Reminds me. Time to make another donation to Magen David Adom

502 Peacekeeper  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 11:28:52am

re: #481 Spare O'Lake

Burris is dead to me after he bragged at his press conference that Jimmy Carter had just phoned him and endorsed his Senate appointment.

Blago should have appointed Santa Claus, then the Democrats would have been forced to go on the record as saying there ain't no Santa Claus...

503 Kenneth  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 11:29:15am

re: #476 Nevergiveup

Yo, Martino! Take a look at an effin' map: Gaza borders on Egypt too. Why do you suppose their Arab brothers have closed that border? It's because Hamas are such a murderous bunch of Islamofacist terrorist thugs even Egypt doesn't want them in their country. Capiche?

504 CommonCents  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 11:29:45am

re: #440 Nevergiveup

...The three will discuss the fighting in Gaza...

Conclusion? It sucks getting beaten like a rag doll. Next topic.

505 jwb7605  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 11:30:27am

re: #500 Nevergiveup

Openly gay soldiers have problems in the Israeli Army.

(or Navy ...), and that's what I think the case is around the world.

506 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 11:30:31am

re: #488 Maximu§

60 Minutes did a segment back in July 2008 that even the military brass is realizing things are not as bad as were predicted.

507 smokefire  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 11:31:06am

re: #503 Kenneth

................but Kenneth, Israel is a Jewish State. The lost Children, Christ Killers.
SARCASM..............BIG TIME

508 CIA Reject  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 11:31:17am

re: #493 smokefire

Nothing like ignoring what happened with the Jews during the Holocaust. Concentration Camps?
Never heard of them.
Hey Renato, go molest another alter boy

That's over the top my friend.

If you want to take issue with what the Cardinal says then do it.

If you want to level charges of child abuse- present the evidence!

509 unreconstructed rebel  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 11:31:31am

re: #497 karmic_inquisitor

Thanks for the testimonial.

I guess my real problem is why does it ever come up in the first place.

510 yochanan  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 11:31:32am

re: #336 jcm

my father was on a ship that was one the receiving end of a couple of kamikaze attacks.

the Japanese during ww2 had no problem with mass murder of unarmed civilians. but that is not what the kamikaze were doing that was a different part of the Japanese war machine.

511 tfc3rid  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 11:31:33am

re: #499 smokefire

..........and this surprises you?

Of course not... It's just that I don't think my church should really be wieghing in on an issue and use the term 'concentration camp' given the history of the Catholic Church.

512 Sheila Broflovski  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 11:31:53am

re: #494 Ayatollah Ghilmeini

Being signed up at Ummah.com yield dividends! Your email gives you treasures like this:

How these guys could ever hope to get aid to Gaza is besides the point. The reality is they completely agree with the false spin of the radical Islamists and there is the better than likely possibility an donation will go to non-humanitarian purposes.

Thank them for their concern and tell them that you have already made a donation at pizzaidf.org

513 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 11:32:43am

Good Afternoon Lizards! It snowed again in the Very Far Western Suburbs of Chicagoland.

So, we now have a Overlord H O N C O ™?

How are you-all and what are we talking about?

Public Service Disclaimer: No bunnies were harmed in the making of this comment.

514 Aye Pod  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 11:32:54am

re: #495 Silhouette

I don't think he has any intention of dropping all forms of discrimination including valid ones, I think he's talking specifically about gays in the military here.

515 notutopia  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 11:33:01am

re: #508 CIA Reject

That's over the top my friend.

If you want to take issue with what the Cardinal says then do it.

If you want to level charges of child abuse- present the evidence!

Thank you CIA Reject...

516 smokefire  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 11:33:11am

re: #505 jwb7605

(or Navy ...), and that's what I think the case is around the world.

.................I am on roll

517 Tardis  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 11:33:23am

Fort Luaderdale protest.

But as the protest continued and crowds grew, one woman in a hijab began to shout curses and slurs that shocked Jewish activists in the city, which has a sizable Jewish population.

"Go back to the oven," she shouted, calling for the counter-protesters to die in the manner that the Nazis used to exterminate Jews during the Holocaust.

"You need a big oven, that's what you need," she yelled

link to fox story..

518 karmic_inquisitor  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 11:33:24am

re: #509 unreconstructed rebel

Thanks for the testimonial.

I guess my real problem is why does it ever come up in the first place.

Exactly. Let the troops do their jobs. None of the jobs require sexual acts.

519 transient  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 11:33:28am

And while we're hating the UN, I heard an interview yesterday with the author of Backstabbing for Beginners: My Crash Course in International Diplomacy.

The author, Michael Soussan, worked under Benon Sevan in the UN Oil for Food program and is credited as one of the whistleblowers. In any case, he called for an internal audit. The book is a bit of a back stage tour of UN corruption.

Haven't read it, but if I can't find it at the library, it's on my Amazon list.

520 Spenser (with an S)  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 11:33:34am

Could someone tell me how far Sderot is from the Gaza border? It is Israel proper, I know and has never been a "settlement", correct? Thanks.

521 tackle  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 11:33:43am

re: #473 FurryOldGuyJeans

Gonzo did a lot of weird things, like eating a tire inner tube to the Flight of the Bumblebee. He also had a thing for hens.

Are you thinking of Lew Zealand?

522 Peacekeeper  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 11:33:44am

The rabbit died...is HAMAS pregnant?

523 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 11:34:33am

Don't Ask, Don't Tell is a perfectly reasonable way to go.

I don't care or want to know what others (let alone guys in my unit) do in the sack. Why do gay people feel its their right to push it under my nose?

I really could not give a rip.

524 FrogMarch  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 11:34:33am

Death
Death
and more death

Teh Nazi-hamas have no other reason to live.

525 Peacekeeper  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 11:35:22am

re: #523 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

Don't Ask, Don't Tell is a perfectly reasonable way to go.

I don't care or want to know what others (let alone guys in my unit) do in the sack. Why do gay people feel its their right to push it under my nose?

I really could not give a rip.

The new policy: show and tell.

526 CIA Reject  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 11:35:27am

re: #515 notutopia

Thank you CIA Reject...

You're welcome- I would have said the same had the comment been directed at a Protestant Minister or a Rabbi.

527 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 11:35:29am

re: #522 Peacekeeper

The rabbit died...is HAMAS pregnant?

No, the goat is.

528 DeafDog  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 11:36:19am

re: #470 Jimmah

Why would you expect a loss of effectiveness? They seem to be no less adept than straight people in any other walk of life.

First, why do you answer a question with a question? Transient made a claim, and needs to back it up.

Second, if you can't imagine the scenarios - let me try to gingerly strain your sensibilities. There are all sorts of unintended consequences may result. Every other walk of life does not involce life and death commpand decisions and the development of esprit de corp to be effective. Being a mechanic is not the same as being an infantry grunt. Suppose there are multiple gays in the same unit and they develop romantic feelings for each other. What happens when the shooting starts and one goes down? Wouldn't you, presumably straight, have a unique reaction if your wife was killed? Or suppose there are openly gay commanders who has to choose betwen sending a unit with several gays into a bad situation. Do we want that commander to be second guessed based on his/her sexual orientation?

It's a different situation. I'm not convinced that it's the right thing to do. The Commanders say no, so I side with the commanders.

529 Nevergiveup  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 11:36:19am

re: #497 karmic_inquisitor

Exactly. Look people are people. In the Military or Out. I am in the Navy Reserves Support Unit-Medical. Hey we talk. And if someone is gay but not obvious about it no one really cares at all. Now when they are more obvious about it, everyone talks about it and that can become a problem. And I would add that 2 heterosexual members fraternizing can become a problem also. The Military only wants to know that when these reservists are called they are ready to go in every way possible and that there are no complications.

530 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 11:36:37am

re: #525 Peacekeeper

The new policy: show and tell.

Oh Lord... here come the Drill Sergeant jokes...

531 experiencedtraveller  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 11:37:04am

Joe the Plumber now on Pajamas Media payroll.

532 Aye Pod  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 11:37:17am

re: #488 Maximu§

Did you serve in the military?

I did and this will ruin morale.

Whats happening here is a take-down of our military. Just as our police depts and fire depts have been taken down by "diversity", the Liberals have now set their sights on the military.

No I didn't, but that doesn't disqualify me from having an opinion on this any more than it disqualifies me from having an opinion on the war in Iraq.

I think it will piss off a few bigots, it's not going to ruin morale. Why would it? Has it ruined morale in the police? Has admitting gays ruined morale in any field?

533 [deleted]  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 11:37:23am
534 Nevergiveup  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 11:37:28am

re: #520 Spenser (with an S)

Could someone tell me how far Sderot is from the Gaza border? It is Israel proper, I know and has never been a "settlement", correct? Thanks.

Israel proper and I'll guess 30 kilometers?

535 transient  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 11:37:31am

re: #520 Spenser (with an S)

Could someone tell me how far Sderot is from the Gaza border? It is Israel proper, I know and has never been a "settlement", correct? Thanks.

Sderot is Israel proper, was never "occupied territory." It is maybe a kilometer or so from the Gaza border. You can easily see Gaza from Sderot.

536 unreconstructed rebel  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 11:37:51am

re: #527 Kosh's Shadow

No, the goat is.

I know it's not safe to be a goat in that neck of the woods, but was the rabbit in on it too?

537 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 11:37:59am

re: #519 transient

And while we're hating the UN, I heard an interview yesterday with the author of Backstabbing for Beginners: My Crash Course in International Diplomacy.

The author, Michael Soussan, worked under Benon Sevan in the UN Oil for Food program and is credited as one of the whistleblowers. In any case, he called for an internal audit. The book is a bit of a back stage tour of UN corruption.

transient, please put that in the Book Category of the spin-off links. It's good for future referenece and any purchases made from the amazon.com link count towards the tip jar for Charles.

BOOK CATEGORY SPIN-OFF LINK PUBLIC SERVICE ANNOUNCEMENT OFF

Haven't read it, but if I can't find it at the library, it's on my Amazon list.

538 tackle  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 11:38:20am

re: #531 experiencedtraveller

Joe the Plumber now on Pajamas Media payroll.

Sweet.

539 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 11:38:50am

re: #527 Kosh's Shadow

No, the goat is.

ROTFLAMO!

540 Peacekeeper  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 11:38:52am
541 smokefire  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 11:38:54am

re: #508 CIA Reject

That's over the top my friend.

If you want to take issue with what the Cardinal says then do it.

If you want to level charges of child abuse- present the evidence!

[Link: www.norwichbulletin.com...]

[Link: www.norwichbulletin.com...]

Ok, here are just 2. Granted it is not this Cardinal, but.
Maybe a bit over the top, I admit, and painting all with the same brush is a stretch. Just a bit of stone throwing.

542 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 11:38:58am

re: #518 karmic_inquisitor

Exactly. Let the troops do their jobs. None of the jobs require sexual acts.

In my time in the Navy a lot of women sailors, not all, sure used it as a wedge and bludgeon to get advancement, better assignments, and perqs. I even was brought up on sexual harassment charges by refusing one bimbo. The case was dropped, quietly, when the CO got the paper work for my Captain's Mast. The incident was never expunged from my record, though. *BURN*

543 Kenneth  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 11:39:04am

Meanwhile, in another front of the same war against the same enemy...

Another Canadian soldier has been killed in Afghanistan by an improvised explosive device, bringing the toll to 107 since the mission began in 2002.

My prayers are for the family of this brave Canadian soldier. His sacrifice will not be forgotten.

544 Tardis  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 11:39:12am

re: #520 Spenser (with an S)

Sderot is just over the border from Gaza. Google maps will show that it is just North East of the border. It was never a part of Gaza nor of any territories.

545 daveycrockett  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 11:39:16am

re: #533 Iron Fist

The only question is how to go about that legally

546 Nevergiveup  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 11:39:19am

re: #535 transient

Sderot is Israel proper, was never "occupied territory." It is maybe a kilometer or so from the Gaza border. You can easily see Gaza from Sderot.

Right much closer than i said- sorry your right

547 Spenser (with an S)  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 11:39:32am

re: #534 Nevergiveup

Thanks to you both (transient, too).

548 notutopia  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 11:39:43am

re: #523 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

Don't Ask, Don't Tell is a perfectly reasonable way to go.

I don't care or want to know what others (let alone guys in my unit) do in the sack. Why do gay people feel its their right to push it under my nose?

I really could not give a rip.

I don't care what they do in their down time.
But, I am concerned if it will have a concern over loyalty to duty in a battle zone. What if the two lovers are on the same squad? Does this love become a priority when they're supposed to be covering fire for each other or for you?
Personally, I would like to know who they are for assignment purposes only. No conflict rule.

549 Nevergiveup  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 11:39:54am

re: #535 transient

Sderot is Israel proper, was never "occupied territory." It is maybe a kilometer or so from the Gaza border. You can easily see Gaza from Sderot.

[Link: maps.google.com...]

550 jwb7605  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 11:40:04am

re: #540 Peacekeeper

New mascot.

WINNAH! (you certainly are on a roll ...)

551 notutopia  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 11:40:04am

re: #526 CIA Reject

You're welcome- I would have said the same had the comment been directed at a Protestant Minister or a Rabbi.


Same here.

552 FrogMarch  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 11:40:05am

re: #531 experiencedtraveller

Joe the Plumber now on Pajamas Media payroll.

They mentioned Joe the Plummer and PJ Media on an ABC radio news update.
I was shocked ABC news would mention Joe the Plummber and PJM. they said Joe would be reporting from Israel.
Of course I think they mentioned "right wing" too - which is typical for "left-wing ABC".

553 CIA Reject  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 11:40:51am

re: #541 smokefire

[Link: www.norwichbulletin.com...]

[Link: www.norwichbulletin.com...]

Ok, here are just 2. Granted it is not this Cardinal, but.
Maybe a bit over the top, I admit, and painting all with the same brush is a stretch. Just a bit of stone throwing.

You called the man out by name and accused him of a crime- that's over the top in my book.

Trying to build a case of guilt by association doesn't change that fact.

554 Ben Hur  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 11:41:02am
555 experiencedtraveller  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 11:41:33am

Just like the good old days of November.

Stock Market gets hammered.

556 unreconstructed rebel  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 11:41:41am

re: #540 Peacekeeper

New mascot.

Corporate firewall sez no can look.

557 smokefire  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 11:41:46am

re: #553 CIA Reject

point taken.

558 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 11:41:50am

re: #537 ggt

HOW did I screw up that response? I hope everyone figured it out.

559 Kenneth  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 11:42:10am
560 Lynn B.  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 11:42:12am

That "Don Bryan" creep on the video a few threads down ... his name is actually Bryant and he shows up here. And here, among other places.

I hope I'm not breaking any rules by pointing out that he appears to have published his own personal contact information there. Just in case anyone's interested.

What a piece of work.

561 Spare O'Lake  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 11:42:22am

re: #508 CIA Reject

That's over the top my friend.
If you want to take issue with what the Cardinal says then do it.
If you want to level charges of child abuse- present the evidence!

I agree. It is unfair to accuse the anti-Semitic neanderthal of child abuse.

562 lawhawk  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 11:42:27am

re: #520 Spenser (with an S)

Could someone tell me how far Sderot is from the Gaza border? It is Israel proper, I know and has never been a "settlement", correct? Thanks.

Maps for you....

In practical terms, kassams fired from Gaza will hit Sderot in under 15 seconds... or less time than current defense systems have to intercept those kassams.

563 [deleted]  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 11:42:44am
564 redstateredneck  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 11:42:49am

re: #531 experiencedtraveller

Joe the Plumber now on Pajamas Media payroll.

The comments are pretty vile.

565 notutopia  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 11:43:07am

re: #557 smokefire

point taken.

You are a courageous one! To offer to take Point!
: )

566 DeafDog  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 11:43:14am

re: #486 CyanSnowHawk

That is the same argument given for resisting race and gender integration. While it will cause ripples, this is something that will have to be done eventually, and there is never a "good" time for an upheaval. Since we can expect the MSM to blare the trumpets from the mountain tops (or at least throw a few wine and cheese parties) when it happens, there is no avoiding an upheaval now or for the foreseeable future. I expect that it won't happen until we are out of Iraq however, and maybe Afghanistan.

It's the same argument, perhaps, but the totally different scenarios.

First, Race is protected under the constitution. Truman was right to break down that barrier. Sexual orientation is not a protected class. All this crap that sexual orientation laws are unconstitutional is BS. If you don't like that fact, then what you need is a constitutional amendment that there shall be no laws based on sexual orientation. You get that, and I'll agree with you. Until then, you are whistling in the wind with this argument.

Second, sexual orientation - by definition - exposes a bias in your make-up that you behave differently towards a particular gender (especially when that person responds to your advances). Race does not have that same built-in bias.

567 jamgarr  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 11:43:31am

re: #520 Spenser (with an S)

Could someone tell me how far Sderot is from the Gaza border? It is Israel proper, I know and has never been a "settlement", correct? Thanks.

I want to say 7 miles or 7 km

568 CIA Reject  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 11:43:54am

re: #557 smokefire

point taken.

s'OK. Which FD are you with?

569 bulwrk  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 11:43:55am

re: #489 transient

I accepted the unit cohesion argument until a few years ago, but since many other nations have no problem with it, I now think this is a bunch of hooey. Certainly it will take some getting used to, but so did allowing blacks in integrated units.

You brush that off too easily,the gay rights movement is all about activism and agitation in this country and once you open that can of worms no telling where that would lead.And please don't compare integrating African Americans into the military with the gay rights movement.

570 redstateredneck  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 11:44:15am

re: #540 Peacekeeper

New mascot.

Acmed.

571 madisonsfriend  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 11:44:26am

re: #559 Kenneth

Hey, that can't be true- I know Hamas is a peace loving group dedicated to .. Let's just all sing Kumbaya and be friends.

572 DesertSage  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 11:44:27am

Israel utilizes a Counter Battery Radar system along its borders.
[Link: www.globalsecurity.org...]
Every time a rocket is launched from Gaza, the system records it and reverse plots the trajectory. They know exactly where these rockets are coming from...and they have exact records of every one that was fired.

They also know, through intelligence, what kind of structure (be it a school, house or hospital) the rocket was fired from. Israel has the ultimate documentation of what, where and when each rocket was fired.

573 Nevergiveup  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 11:44:45am

re: #562 lawhawk

Maps for you....

In practical terms, kassams fired from Gaza will hit Sderot in under 15 seconds... or less time than current defense systems have to intercept those kassams.

What "current" defense system? And when is that "system" suppose to come on line? I forgot it's name? Anyone?

574 CIA Reject  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 11:45:00am

re: #561 Spare O'Lake

I agree. It is unfair to accuse the anti-Semitic neanderthal of child abuse.

Neanderthal?- so you've got a DNA profile on him?

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575 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 11:45:23am

re: #542 FurryOldGuyJeans

I actually witnessed the following exchange in Jump School back in 1979...

Female trainee falls out of a run, lays down on the ground. Black Hat goes over to see what's going on.

Trainee: "I'd do anything to pass this course..."

writhes on ground

Black Hat: "Well, then get up and finish the damn run!"

576 Kenneth  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 11:45:24am

re: #567 jamgarr

Sderot is less than 3 km from the Gaza border

577 Athens Runaway  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 11:46:01am

re: #552 FrogMarch

The local news here in Ohio used the word "conservative". Then again, the big news-radio station that this report came from (where I first heard it) is solidly conservative-leaning, so that may be because of that.

I don't see it as that much of a problem. Conservative and "right wing" are (semanatically speaking) the same word.

578 transient  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 11:46:26am

re: #535 transient

Checked maps. It's actually about 3 km. (1.8 miles.) And you can still see into Gaza--I've done it.

re: #534 Nevergiveup

Israel proper and I'll guess 30 kilometers?

30 km puts you past Ashkelon almost to Ashdod.

579 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 11:46:27am

This map is interesting, it shows the distances from one border to another. When Israel is referred to as "postage stamp" size, it's not an exaggeration.

580 yochanan  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 11:46:37am

re: #359 RememberSekhmet?

Meanwhile this is how children in Sderot play

in a playground of concrete

[Link: www.youtube.com...]

581 Aye Pod  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 11:46:38am

re: #528 DeafDog

First, why do you answer a question with a question? Transient made a claim, and needs to back it up.

Given that gays seem to do just fine in all other walks of life without causing loss of morale, I'd say the burden of proof is with those who claim an exception in the case of the military.

There are all sorts of unintended consequences may result. Every other walk of life does not involce life and death commpand decisions and the development of esprit de corp to be effective. Being a mechanic is not the same as being an infantry grunt.

The police deal with life and death situations all the time. There is no restriction on gays there.

Suppose there are multiple gays in the same unit and they develop romantic feelings for each other. What happens when the shooting starts and one goes down? Wouldn't you, presumably straight, have a unique reaction if your wife was killed? Or suppose there are openly gay commanders who has to choose betwen sending a unit with several gays into a bad situation. Do we want that commander to be second guessed based on his/her sexual orientation?

First, that seems to be an argument for an outright ban on gays in the military. Is that really your position? Secondly, what about the Israeli army, which has both men and women fighting alongside each other? In the case of the gay commander - well you could make the same comment about a bald commander protecting his fellow baldies. The idea that gays will put the lives of fellow gays above the lives of straights comes straight out of the blue, it seems to me.

582 [deleted]  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 11:46:39am
583 jamgarr  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 11:47:06am

re: #576 Kenneth

Sderot is less than 3 km from the Gaza border

I might have been thinking about the range of a Kassam

584 WriterMom  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 11:47:12am
585 [deleted]  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 11:47:16am
586 Nevergiveup  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 11:47:17am

re: #578 transient

Checked maps. It's actually about 3 km. (1.8 miles.) And you can still see into Gaza--I've done it.

re: #534 Nevergiveup

30 km puts you past Ashkelon almost to Ashdod.

Yes i know, i screwed up. Mae Culpa.

587 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 11:47:31am

re: #575 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

I actually witnessed the following exchange in Jump School back in 1979...

Female trainee falls out of a run, lays down on the ground. Black Hat goes over to see what's going on.

Trainee: "I'd do anything to pass this course..."

writhes on ground

Black Hat: "Well, then get up and finish the damn run!"

That is essentially the reason why I got charged with Sexual Harassment, telling the bimbo she actually had to EARN what she wanted, and that I was not going to sleep with her.

588 Nevergiveup  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 11:48:12am

re: #581 Jimmah

Women do not really fight side by side with men in combat units. they are typically in support roles.

589 albusteve  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 11:48:40am

re: #563 Iron Fist

When I worked for the Marines (I was a civillian; not a Marine) the Sargent over me was a lesbian, I think. It wasn't material to the job. I ran into her maybe a year later, and she was dressed in what you would consider to be "bull dyke" dress. She's the only adult that expressed any concern as to where I was taking my life, specifically concerned that I was running in a rough crowd.

I didn't tell her that I was the roughest (and most insane) one of us. That was all so very long ago.

4 out of the top 5 administrators and instructors in my nursing school were all retired Army dykes....being older, a great student, jolly and somewhat cavalier they hated me....it is a nightmare I'd kill myself before I'd ever relive...the most awful individuals imaginable...jus sayin

590 karmic_inquisitor  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 11:48:43am

re: #542 FurryOldGuyJeans

In my time in the Navy a lot of women sailors, not all, sure used it as a wedge and bludgeon to get advancement, better assignments, and perqs. I even was brought up on sexual harassment charges by refusing one bimbo. The case was dropped, quietly, when the CO got the paper work for my Captain's Mast. The incident was never expunged from my record, though. *BURN*

Yeah - we had the same crap. I wouldn't put up with it. I had an Engineer unit that had a female equipment operator who started making noise about how she got less stick time than her peers. So her sergeant over compensated. Nice thing about heavy equipment is that they have hour meters and operator logs. It was easy for her platoon leader to pull together the stats that showed she had equal time before her complaints and more thereafter. We also discovered she wasn't doing PMCS properly. When the first sergeant saw the numbers he got red faced and said "I'll take care of this" and the complaints went away. Too bad everything in the Army didn't have hour meters and operator logs.

591 Occasional Reader  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 11:48:52am

re: #559 Kenneth

Hamas says no to permanent ceasefire

As you wish, scum.

What's that you say? "Please keep killing us"? Okily dokily, neighboroonis!

592 unreconstructed rebel  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 11:49:37am

re: #569 bulwrk

And please don't compare integrating African Americans into the military with the gay rights movement.

My black friends tell me that comparison really pisses them off.

593 albusteve  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 11:49:43am

re: #572 DesertSage

Israel utilizes a Counter Battery Radar system along its borders.
[Link: www.globalsecurity.org...]
Every time a rocket is launched from Gaza, the system records it and reverse plots the trajectory. They know exactly where these rockets are coming from...and they have exact records of every one that was fired.

They also know, through intelligence, what kind of structure (be it a school, house or hospital) the rocket was fired from. Israel has the ultimate documentation of what, where and when each rocket was fired.

pack it up and present it to the UN...just for kicks

594 rawmuse  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 11:49:55am

re: #581 Jimmah

When the bullets are flying, the last thing on your mind is romance, IMHO.
I am of the Barry Goldwater mold, who said, to the effect of, it does not matter if you are straight, but that you can shoot straight.

595 Silhouette  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 11:49:56am

One thing that outraged me was hearing that many women sailors would get pregnant on purpose to avoid going on long cruises, or to get sent home from one. It is unfair to be asked to be treated the same on one hand, then demand special exemptions on the other hand.

596 Kenneth  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 11:50:00am

re: #591 Occasional Reader

What's that you say? "Please keep killing us"? Okily dokily, neighboroonis!

That was a statement released by a Hamas spokesman in Damascus. I guess things look just peachy from where he's sitting.

597 Spare O'Lake  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 11:50:04am

re: #553 CIA Reject

You called the man out by name and accused him of a crime- that's over the top in my book.

Trying to build a case of guilt by association doesn't change that fact.

I am patiently waiting for some Catholic disavowal of the Vatican priest's "over the top" remarks.

598 Hard Right  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 11:50:29am

re: #574 CIA Reject

Neanderthal?- so you've got a DNA profile on him?

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You CAN get DNA from poo.

599 HippieforLife  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 11:50:53am

re: #358 unreconstructed rebel

It is sad that this is even on the horizon. It seems to me that there are more pressing issues in our country.

600 Cygnus  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 11:50:59am

re: #564 redstateredneck

The comments are pretty vile.

For example:
Lawrence
January 7th, 2009 2:42 pm ET

Here's hoping his shiny head gives away his position. Aim there Hamas!

Nice.

601 lawhawk  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 11:51:10am

re: #573 Nevergiveup

Iron Dome...

602 Nevergiveup  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 11:51:43am

re: #601 lawhawk

Iron Dome...

And it will be in the field?

603 CIA Reject  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 11:51:52am

re: #597 Spare O'Lake

I am patiently waiting for some Catholic disavowal of the Vatican priest's "over the top" remarks.

That is a valid criticism - I do not agree with the Vatican's remarks either.

But I'm not going to poison my dissent with bigotry.

604 [deleted]  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 11:51:54am
605 Spare O'Lake  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 11:52:02am

re: #574 CIA Reject

Neanderthal?- so you've got a DNA profile on him?

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Neanderthal was the kindest thing I could think to call him.
How do you feel about his venomous screed?

606 Occasional Reader  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 11:52:16am

re: #582 Iron Fist

But we don't need the "Folsom Street Fair" crowd in the military. And yes, that is a serious concern.

I really don't think so. The Folsom Street crowd is interested in hedonism, not in signing over a couple years of their life to having to be abruptly awakened at 5:30 am - never mind the possibility of being sent somewhere that you'll be shot at - in the name of these foreign concepts called "patriotism" and "sacrifice for the greater good".

607 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 11:52:48am

re: #566 DeafDog

It's the same argument, perhaps, but the totally different scenarios.

First, Race is protected under the constitution. Truman was right to break down that barrier. Sexual orientation is not a protected class. All this crap that sexual orientation laws are unconstitutional is BS. If you don't like that fact, then what you need is a constitutional amendment that there shall be no laws based on sexual orientation. You get that, and I'll agree with you. Until then, you are whistling in the wind with this argument.

Second, sexual orientation - by definition - exposes a bias in your make-up that you behave differently towards a particular gender (especially when that person responds to your advances). Race does not have that same built-in bias.

This is where I get confused. Our write are not granted or protected by the Constitution. The Constitution limits what government can do, not what we, the citizens can do or be. It is sad, that a constitution amendment was needed in the situation of race in the first place and I hope it doesn't come to that with sexual orientation.

IMHO, under our system of government, law-abiding, tax-paying citizens do not need a government to sanction them.

608 lawhawk  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 11:53:06am

re: #601 lawhawk

And the problem with Iron Dome is that it can't deal with kassams fired from short ranges - the kinds that keep slamming into Sderot.

609 jwb7605  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 11:53:16am

re: #584 WriterMom

THIS IS AWESOME!

Lizards -- that is a slightly different article from the one linked above by experiencedtraveler in #531

Last paragraph of this article states:

At one stop, Wurzelbacher agreed with a McCain supporter who asked if he believed a vote for Obama was a vote for the death of Israel.
610 jamgarr  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 11:53:16am

re: #604 buzzsawmonkey

And DNA bien poo was responsible for ending the French colonial presence in Indochina.

Followed, of course, by the difficulties at Ka Ka Sahn

611 yma o hyd  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 11:53:28am

re: #559 Kenneth

Hamas says no to permanent ceasefire

As you wish, scum.

Scum is getting more of the same right now.
The Muqata says:
'9:15 PM IDF air strikes over Rafiach. Possible preparation for ground incursion into Rafiach to destroy tunnels leading from Egypt.'

612 Occasional Reader  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 11:53:39am

re: #563 Iron Fist

When I worked for the Marines (I was a civillian; not a Marine) the Sargent over me was a lesbian

Wait a minute... I think we watched this movie at my bachelor party!

613 Kenneth  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 11:53:53am

re: #604 buzzsawmonkey

And DNA bien poo was responsible for ending the French colonial presence in Indochina.

Poo Chi Minh?

614 transient  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 11:53:57am

re: #537 ggt

Done. I guess that'd be my first spinoff link...

615 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 11:53:58am

re: #595 Silhouette

One thing that outraged me was hearing that many women sailors would get pregnant on purpose to avoid going on long cruises, or to get sent home from one. It is unfair to be asked to be treated the same on one hand, then demand special exemptions on the other hand.

I know that all too well. I got a couple of back-to-back deployments because the women who would have gone got preggers to avoid going, so I got to leave wife and hearth for more time. *BURN*

616 Hard Right  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 11:53:58am

re: #604 buzzsawmonkey

And DNA bien poo was responsible for ending the French colonial presence in Indochina.

Arrrrrg! (Upding. I must be a masochist.)

617 Nevergiveup  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 11:54:17am

re: #608 lawhawk

And the problem with Iron Dome is that it can't deal with kassams fired from short ranges - the kinds that keep slamming into Sderot.

So it's pretty much a cluster fuck so far?

618 lawhawk  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 11:54:42am

re: #608 lawhawk

And from that article:

The distance from the edge of Beit Hanun to the outskirts of Sderot is 1,800 meters. Therefore, a rocket launched from Beit Hanun takes about nine seconds to hit Sderot. The developers of Iron Dome at Rafael Advance Defense Systems know that the preparations to simply launch the intercept missiles at their target take up to about 15 seconds (during which time the system locates the target, determines the flight path and calculates the intercept route). Obviously, then, the Qassam will slam into Sderot quite a number of seconds before the missile meant to intercept it is even launched.

1.8km between Sderot and the closest point to Gaza.

619 baconeatingkaffir  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 11:54:44am

re: #587 FurryOldGuyJeans

That is essentially the reason why I got charged with Sexual Harassment, telling the bimbo she actually had to EARN what she wanted, and that I was not going to sleep with her.

My brother joined the army at the ripe age of 29 on a Special Forces "X-contract". Prior to that he was working in the stock market (he has a degree in Economics with a minor in Applied Mathematics). He made it through Infantry OSUT at Ft.Benning and Jump School but washed out the last week of SF selection because he fractued his arm and had bad poison oak and (despite my advice) refused to go on Profile. He failed the last PT test. Anyhow, he (at the age of 29) told me that he expected jump school to be harder something like out of Band of Brothers but it was a cakewalk.
After his last Iraq deployment, h e had enough jumps under his belt to go to Jumpmaster school but was jacked into recruiting before he got a slot.
He told me that they "baby" females through.Could that be true? He also has a case of the ass against the Army Recruiting Command and has saved his "certificates" from them "for the firing range". Hehehe. He recently turned down a nice 40 grand reenlistment bonus for Recruiting to go back to the 82nd and cross train into Psyops.

620 MJ  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 11:54:52am

re: #597 Spare O'Lake

I am patiently waiting for some Catholic disavowal of the Vatican priest's "over the top" remarks.

Huh?
Why on earth should anyone here who happens to be Catholic apologize for what some moron in Rome has to say? This guy doesn't speak for all Catholics. Just like Noam Chomsky doesn't speak for all Jews just because he's Jewish or Southern Baptists don't all agree with the moron Jimmy Carter.

621 Occasional Reader  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 11:54:53am

re: #596 Kenneth

That was a statement released by a Hamas spokesman in Damascus. I guess things look just peachy from where he's sitting.

He's adopted the classic Arab attitude; "we'll fight right down to the last Palestinian".

622 [deleted]  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 11:54:58am
623 Kenneth  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 11:55:20am

re: #612 Occasional Reader

Wait a minute... I think we watched this movie at my bachelor party!

I heard that the US army lost a lot of very cunning linguists when they refused to hire lesbians.

624 DeafDog  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 11:55:26am

re: #489 transient

Israel is an invalid comparison because they have a mandatory draft.

The UK is maybe a good point of comparison. I'd have to understand better how they do it, but I am open to being convinced. That said, I don't take your word that there are no problems. Do you have a link that proves the point?

625 Aye Pod  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 11:55:26am

re: #582 Iron Fist

If they don't make it a problem, then the gays won't be a problem. If they want to be the "Queen Berets", then they need to go work at a club in New Orleans. The problem isn't the gays that just want to do their job and serve their country.

But we don't need the "Folsom Street Fair" crowd in the military. And yes, that is a serious concern.

I agree that eople like that shouldn't be in the army. I don't think this relaxation is going to result in gays parading around the battlefield in assless chaps waving their dicks around. It hasn't happened in the police force, I'm sure that the military won't allow it eiither.

626 Nevergiveup  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 11:55:37am

re: #615 FurryOldGuyJeans

I know that all too well. I got a couple of back-to-back deployments because the women who would have gone got preggers to avoid going, so I got to leave wife and hearth for more time. *BURN*

Yeah, but I've also seen medics work right up to almost birth and be back on duty not to far after.

627 karmic_inquisitor  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 11:55:55am

re: #555 experiencedtraveller

Just like the good old days of November.

Stock Market gets hammered.

I think it is a buying opportunity. Technicals are stabilizing and the VIX is getting back in line. JMO.

628 CIA Reject  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 11:56:26am

re: #605 Spare O'Lake

Neanderthal was the kindest thing I could think to call him.
How do you feel about his venomous screed?

I feel about it as I feel about most of the statements issued by the Vatican regarding the war on terrorism. I feel that they frame the conflict in a unrealistic view of "ecumenism" that tends to greatly minimize the problem.

629 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 11:56:43am

re: #581 Jimmah

First, that seems to be an argument for an outright ban on gays in the military. Is that really your position? Secondly, what about the Israeli army, which has both men and women fighting alongside each other? In the case of the gay commander - well you could make the same comment about a bald commander protecting his fellow baldies. The idea that gays will put the lives of fellow gays above the lives of straights comes straight out of the blue, it seems to me.

There seems to be some concept that homosexuals are not able to have the same "work" ethic as heterosexuals. Heterosexual Men and Woman can work together platonically. Same with Homosexuals.

It is any particular "issues" an individual has that causes problems, not their sexual orientation.

630 lawhawk  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 11:56:44am

re: #617 Nevergiveup

They may have improved the system, but the best defense is truly a good offense. Taking out Hamas before they get a chance to fire. Destroy their capabilities to fire on Sderot from any range. That's the key.

Iron Dome is acceptable for defending high value targets in Israel, but Sderot and neighboring communities within short range of Gaza need something far more than Iron Dome. They need Hamas destroyed.

We all do.

631 notutopia  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 11:57:00am

re: #609 jwb7605

Wurzelbacher, is also ex-Marine? Can anyone validate his branch of service.... a little help here...

632 formercorpsman  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 11:57:13am

re: #582 Iron Fist

You really centered in on what the real concern is.

The UCMJ has explicit rules regarding professional conduct.

As someone who always looks at any activism with a jaundiced eye anymore automatically questions why the provision of don't ask don't tell was so unacceptable about Bill Clinton implementing this?

One of the things I found detestable about our elected officials, is they always seem to want to invoke civilian rules within the military structure that already works.

633 transient  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 11:57:31am

re: #586 Nevergiveup

Yes i know, i screwed up. Mae Culpa.

LOL...wasn't trying to hammer you on it, I didn't see your corrected post before I submitted my corrected post.

634 baconeatingkaffir  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 11:57:33am

re: #595 Silhouette

One thing that outraged me was hearing that many women sailors would get pregnant on purpose to avoid going on long cruises, or to get sent home from one. It is unfair to be asked to be treated the same on one hand, then demand special exemptions on the other hand.

When I was in the AF we had females get pregnant to avoid middle eastern deployments and a few who got pregnant during deployment to get sent home. That really pissed me off. If I had broken my leg to avoid going to the sandbox I would have gotten jail time. why the double standard?

635 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 11:57:34am

re: #582 Iron Fist

If they don't make it a problem, then the gays won't be a problem. If they want to be the "Queen Berets", then they need to go work at a club in New Orleans. The problem isn't the gays that just want to do their job and serve their country.

But we don't need the "Folsom Street Fair" crowd in the military. And yes, that is a serious concern.

That crowd wouldn't join the military at all, don't worry.

636 Nevergiveup  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 11:57:55am

re: #630 lawhawk

They may have improved the system, but the best defense is truly a good offense. Taking out Hamas before they get a chance to fire. Destroy their capabilities to fire on Sderot from any range. That's the key.

Iron Dome is acceptable for defending high value targets in Israel, but Sderot and neighboring communities within short range of Gaza need something far more than Iron Dome. They need Hamas destroyed.

We all do.

Is Iron Dome on line in the North?

637 formercorpsman  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 11:57:56am

re: #595 Silhouette

Physical fitness requirements are different as well.

638 [deleted]  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 11:58:10am
639 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 11:58:41am

re: #626 Nevergiveup

Yeah, but I've also seen medics work right up to almost birth and be back on duty not to far after.

Wish I had served with those women.

Don't get me wrong, it was only a minuscule fraction of the women serving that created problems and were a major burden to the service, just like a few guys were problem children. Most just wanted to get the job done and done well.

640 itellu3times  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 11:58:44am

re: #608 lawhawk

And the problem with Iron Dome is that it can't deal with kassams fired from short ranges - the kinds that keep slamming into Sderot.

First time I've known that "Iron Dome" is even implemented with missiles.

Guess they need a "chrome dome" that fires the business end of the interceptor out of a gun barrel, that should handle shorter-range stuff. Though 2km is pretty close range.

Though, if it were up to me, the best counter to a kassam, is a fully activated phaser bank ... short of that, a B-52 loaded with 2,000 pound iron bombs.

641 WriterMom  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 11:58:50am

re: #613 Kenneth

Poo Chi?

642 Maximu§  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 11:59:01am

re: #532 Jimmah

No I didn't, but that doesn't disqualify me from having an opinion on this any more than it disqualifies me from having an opinion on the war in Iraq.

I think it will piss off a few bigots, it's not going to ruin morale. Why would it? Has it ruined morale in the police? Has admitting gays ruined morale in any field?

I have gay friends and gay family members, but being in a military combat MOS is not the same as a civilian job. You live, sleep, shower and fight together 24/7 and if a soldier is openly Gay, it will cause problems. You would'nt understand because your a civilian, but go ahead and shoot your mouth off anyways.

643 Green Helmet Guy  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 11:59:17am

I will not submit.
لن استسلم

644 WriterMom  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 11:59:20am

re: #634 baconeatingkaffir

Because you can't get pregnant!

645 jwb7605  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 11:59:48am

re: #631 notutopia

Wurzelbacher, is also ex-Marine? Can anyone validate his branch of service.... a little help here...

I have no idea whether he was ever in the military or not.
That's a good thing, and keeps the irrelevancy out of the equation.

646 Nevergiveup  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 11:59:56am

re: #629 ggt

There seems to be some concept that homosexuals are not able to have the same "work" ethic as heterosexuals. Heterosexual Men and Woman can work together platonically. Same with Homosexuals.

It is any particular "issues" an individual has that causes problems, not their sexual orientation.

Absolutely correct but how do you handle overt homosexuality in the Military if the Politicians go out of their way to legalize it and make it tougher to control than fraternization?

647 WriterMom  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 12:00:07pm

re: #623 Kenneth

BOTH OF YOU!

Nasty boys!

648 Silhouette  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 12:00:11pm

re: #615 FurryOldGuyJeans

I know that all too well. I got a couple of back-to-back deployments because the women who would have gone got preggers to avoid going, so I got to leave wife and hearth for more time. *BURN*

I am a woman in a male-dominated field. And I never, EVER want to earn anything because of which bathroom I use.

That being said, I have no problem letting men open doors for me, letting me order first at restaurants, or get off the elevator first. And I said "obey" in my wedding vows. I drive people who like to cubbyhold others nuts.

649 Sheila Broflovski  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 12:00:15pm

re: #635 ggt

That crowd wouldn't join the military at all, don't worry.

They wouldn't join the military, but they want to have control of the military. Guys in uniform are hot, you know. Look at the "Village People."

650 bulwrk  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 12:00:23pm

re: #625 Jimmah

So what happens when 2 gay soldiers from Massachusetts want to get married and cohabitate in base housing?

651 [deleted]  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 12:00:34pm
652 rawmuse  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 12:00:34pm

re: #644 WriterMom

Because you can't get pregnant!

You're oppressing him! You Brute!

653 jamgarr  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 12:00:34pm

They need that chain gun system that we use in The Green Zone. It shoots mortar shells out of the air.

654 Killian Bundy  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 12:00:35pm

Islamic extremists have drawn up Brit Jew hit list

Hate-filled Islamic extremists are reported to be drawing up a hit list of Britains leading Jews.

The Sun reports British anti-terror expert Glen Jenvey as saying that he is convinced that the online forum Ummah is being used to prepare a deadly backlash against British Jews.

Jenveys warning came as Europe was hit by anti-Semitic attacks over Israels push into the Gaza Strip.

On the Ummah site, Saladin1970 asks for help compiling a list of those who support Israel.

/just imagine what would happen if this threat was reversed

655 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 12:00:40pm

re: #634 baconeatingkaffir

When I was in the AF we had females get pregnant to avoid middle eastern deployments and a few who got pregnant during deployment to get sent home. That really pissed me off. If I had broken my leg to avoid going to the sandbox I would have gotten jail time. why the double standard?

Men are not a part of the protected minorities.

656 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 12:00:50pm

re: #613 Kenneth

Poo Chi Minh?

Everyone got Phu Khet

657 Kenneth  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 12:01:16pm

re: #647 WriterMom

Ha! Just because you office is full of cunning linguists...

658 albusteve  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 12:01:19pm

re: #640 itellu3times

First time I've known that "Iron Dome" is even implemented with missiles.

Guess they need a "chrome dome" that fires the business end of the interceptor out of a gun barrel, that should handle shorter-range stuff. Though 2km is pretty close range.

Though, if it were up to me, the best counter to a kassam, is a fully activated phaser bank ... short of that, a B-52 loaded with 2,000 pound iron bombs.

radar tracking Gatlin guns would probably get it done...the type our Navy uses...cant think of the name...they are super fast

659 formercorpsman  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 12:01:19pm

re: #597 Spare O'Lake

It drives me nuts. I can imagine in the same way, someone Jewish who looks at their leftist brethren who is protesting for the enemy against their own welfare.

I disavow any Catholic entity that is doing what you posted.

660 DeafDog  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 12:01:20pm

re: #581 Jimmah

No. If someone claims that they have proof that other countries have had some sort of great experience, then they need to back up that claim.

I'm not familiar with police policies on the subject, but you have a point there.

I'm not arguing for any sort of ban on anyone's activities in the bedroom. I think the status quo seems to be working ok and I'm not convinced it should be changed for the purpose of an experiment.

661 Occasional Reader  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 12:01:52pm

re: #640 itellu3times

Though, if it were up to me, the best counter to a kassam, is a fully activated phaser bank

Well, something like that actually exists; Skyguard.

662 lawhawk  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 12:02:10pm

Oh, that's just peachy - and predictable. The diplomats say a truce is possible within 2 days. Really?

Hamas has agreed to a truce before? They've continually stated that they will not accept a truce, and they most certainly don't accept Israel's existence.

Nothing has changed to that calculus.

663 Kragar  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 12:02:33pm

re: #658 albusteve

radar tracking Gatlin guns would probably get it done...the type our Navy uses...cant think of the name...they are super fast

Phalanx

664 baconeatingkaffir  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 12:02:51pm

re: #642 Maximu§

I have gay friends and gay family members, but being in a military combat MOS is not the same as a civilian job. You live, sleep, shower and fight together 24/7 and if a soldier is openly Gay, it will cause problems. You would'nt understand because your a civilian, but go ahead and shoot your mouth off anyways.

I second that. I had a shift supervisor at my first duty station after the gulf in Germany who used to play "grabass" and hang out with the youngtroops. Not long after Clinton started the "don't ask don't tell" policy, this idiot showed up one night in civvles to "see what was going on" and he was wearing pastel pink overalls and women's reeboks. Needless to say alot of crazy shenanigans went on in our hospital squadron around that time.

665 WriterMom  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 12:02:52pm

re: #657 Kenneth

Stop it, or OR will start reminding us that he watched that movie also at his bachelor's party...

666 Silhouette  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 12:03:00pm

re: #634 baconeatingkaffir

why the double standard?

The same reason as for all the double standards.

We treat people unequally to avoid being charged with treating them unequally.

Insane.

667 Quilly Mammoth  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 12:03:05pm

Just another in a line of Giant Jew Hating Animals that go to Martyrdom for Hamas. Farfour the mouse, Nahoul the Bee and now Assud the Rabbit.

668 [deleted]  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 12:03:08pm
669 formercorpsman  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 12:03:23pm

re: #606 Occasional Reader

You know, common sense would dictate that.

Different people have different motivations though.

I have no doubts, Beauchamp knew he wanted to go in and do what he did.

People do have ulterior motives.

670 Nevergiveup  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 12:03:29pm

re: #658 albusteve

radar tracking Gatlin guns would probably get it done...the type our Navy uses...cant think of the name...they are super fast

But what about the all them rounds falling to the ground?

671 albusteve  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 12:03:37pm

re: #663 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Phalanx

yup...thanks...I'm pretty lazy today! again

672 Spare O'Lake  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 12:03:49pm

re: #620 MJ

Huh?
Why on earth should anyone here who happens to be Catholic apologize for what some moron in Rome has to say? This guy doesn't speak for all Catholics. Just like Noam Chomsky doesn't speak for all Jews just because he's Jewish or Southern Baptists don't all agree with the moron Jimmy Carter.

Not an apology, a disavowal.
Oh well, I guess maybe you have disavowed his remarks by calling him a moron and by claiming he does not speak for all Catholics.
Only one little problem: "Cardinal Renato Martino, president of the Pontifical Council for Justice and Peace" sounds like a high-ranking church official to me.

673 notutopia  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 12:04:14pm

re: #645 jwb7605

I have no idea whether he was ever in the military or not.
That's a good thing, and keeps the irrelevancy out of the equation.

It will be good if he has served. He will be interviewing soldiers. At least that's what I read. I would like to see and hear some coverage from the point of view of the Israeli soldiers.

674 smokefire  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 12:04:39pm

re: #530 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

Oh Lord... here come the Drill Sergeant jokes...

675 mean Gene  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 12:04:46pm

re: #654 Killian Bundy

Seems there was a Christian minister here in CA a few years ago (but after 9-11-01) who had been targeted also.
He was a thin sort of blond guy with a wife and family.
Wonder what ever happened to him?
I know he went on the web and local TV about it.
Then he disappeared.

676 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 12:04:48pm

re: #650 bulwrk

So what happens when 2 gay soldiers from Massachusetts want to get married and cohabitate in base housing?

Would operational readiness be affected if they did?

677 albusteve  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 12:04:52pm

re: #670 Nevergiveup

But what about the all them rounds falling to the ground?

zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzt zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzt zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzt

who cares?

678 FrogMarch  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 12:05:20pm

re: #577 Athens Runaway

The local news here in Ohio used the word "conservative". Then again, the big news-radio station that this report came from (where I first heard it) is solidly conservative-leaning, so that may be because of that.

I don't see it as that much of a problem. Conservative and "right wing" are (semanatically speaking) the same word.

I think I heard conservative too. my mistake. I'm going off of memory. It was more than an hour ago. ;-)

679 Nevergiveup  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 12:05:34pm

re: #677 albusteve

zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzt zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzt zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzt

who cares?

Because many of them will fall in Israel.

680 Kenneth  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 12:05:55pm

Oh lord help us... moonbats!

Toronto: Anti-war protestors enter consulate

Israeli, Jewish women gain entry into consulate in Toronto, chant anti-Israel slogans

Several women entered the Israeli consulate in Toronto and are refusing to leave in protest of the Gaza operation, Ynet learned. The women are apparently Jewish and Israeli.

Due to concerns for the safety of consulate staff, security officers at the site ordered diplomatic officials to enter their rooms and refrain from contact with the women.

Around 6 pm Israel time, a group of eight women, including some Israelis, entered the consulate's office in protest of the war. Security officers at the mission avoided any kind of physical confrontation with the demonstrators. Meanwhile, anti-war protestors carrying signs slamming Israel's Gaza operation have been demonstrating outside the building.

According to an initial inquiry, the women were able to gain entry into the secured facility after presenting ID cards indicating they are Israeli or Jewish. Upon entering the consulate, the women sat down on the floor and started chanting anti-Israeli slogans.

681 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 12:06:40pm

re: #646 Nevergiveup

Absolutely correct but how do you handle overt homosexuality in the Military if the Politicians go out of their way to legalize it and make it tougher to control than fraternization?

Hold individual soldiers accountable for their actions? No sex, means no sex --right?

682 [deleted]  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 12:06:43pm
683 jwb7605  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 12:07:02pm

re: #673 notutopia

It will be good if he has served. He will be interviewing soldiers. At least that's what I read. I would like to see and hear some coverage from the point of view of the Israeli soldiers.

I understand your point, but I tend to disagree.
Joe has shown an ability to "ask a relevant question".

If a good question gets asked, it's better to get it from a non-agenda driven viewpoint.

684 FrogMarch  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 12:07:06pm

According to leftists everywhere - and Joy Baher - Joe the Plumber isn't really a Plumber.

685 WriterMom  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 12:07:10pm

I think it's understandable that heterosexual people get uncomfortable with unwanted attention from the opposite sex-or when they are harrassed. I think it's perfectly understandable to be uncomfortable with the thought that someone of the same sex might be attracted to you when you are in a stressful situation like combat-or other situations.

686 Nevergiveup  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 12:07:20pm

21:25 Poll: 51% of Israelis want to postpone general elections in light of Gaza op (Ch. 2)

When are elections scheduled for?

687 Spare O'Lake  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 12:07:24pm

re: #628 CIA Reject

I feel about it as I feel about most of the statements issued by the Vatican regarding the war on terrorism. I feel that they frame the conflict in a unrealistic view of "ecumenism" that tends to greatly minimize the problem.

What really burns my ass is when Jews are wrongly accused of using Nazi tactics. It is a particularly vile form of vicious Jew-baiting.

688 Kragar  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 12:07:24pm

re: #670 Nevergiveup

But what about the all them rounds falling to the ground?

Set the fields of fire so they would land in Gaza.

689 Kenneth  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 12:07:25pm

re: #665 WriterMom

Stop it, or OR will start reminding us that he watched that movie also at his bachelor's party...

You mean, WriterMILF: Office Bitch Lesbo Romp? I have it on DVD.

690 yma o hyd  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 12:07:32pm

re: #662 lawhawk

Oh, that's just peachy - and predictable. The diplomats say a truce is possible within 2 days. Really?

Hamas has agreed to a truce before? They've continually stated that they will not accept a truce, and they most certainly don't accept Israel's existence.

Nothing has changed to that calculus.

The operative word here is 'truce'.
We all know what that means - hudna.
I'm sure the hamassholes would like nothing better that another truce.
I don't think they'll get it, certainly not within 48 hours. Israel has learned too well what 'truce' means for Hamas and all jihadists.

691 Hard Right  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 12:07:35pm

What do you get when you cross a shitzu with a poodle?

A Shitzpoo! Real dog. Not kidding.

692 hazzyday  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 12:07:37pm

re: #117 Jetpilot1101

This may be a rhetorical question but do any of the libtards know that the Nazi's tried to exterminate the Jews? Seems to me that calling Israel a Nazi state is the epitome of idiocy.

Give her a ticket to Gaza, give her a rocket launcher, and then she if she really supports Hamas. Or better yet find an orphan in Gaza and give Rosanne a suicide belt and she if she will mentor a child in gaza.

693 FrogMarch  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 12:07:40pm

re: #552 FrogMarch

They mentioned Joe the Plumber and PJ Media on an ABC radio news update.
I was shocked ABC news would mention Joe the Plumber and PJM. they said Joe would be reporting from Israel.
Of course I think they mentioned "right wing" too - which is typical for "left-wing ABC".

fixed.

694 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 12:07:46pm

re: #650 bulwrk

So what happens when 2 gay soldiers from Massachusetts want to get married and cohabitate in base housing?

Who gives a r@tts ass? Can married heterosexual couples cohabitate on base housing?

695 albusteve  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 12:07:56pm

re: #679 Nevergiveup

Because many of them will fall in Israel.

okay...I withdraw my suggestion

696 dentate  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 12:07:57pm

How about we have a contest to come up with the next Hamas kiddie character, and send them our recommendation? How about a toad, or a flatworm this time?

697 [deleted]  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 12:08:00pm
698 debutaunt  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 12:08:02pm

re: #592 unreconstructed rebel

My black friends tell me that comparison really pisses them off.

One day we'll be able to use the simple content of character standard.

699 WriterMom  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 12:08:31pm

re: #680 Kenneth

Major security lapse. You can be sure the security officer is in big shit now.

700 jwb7605  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 12:08:37pm

re: #691 Hard Right

What do you get when you cross a shitzu with a poodle?

A Shitzpoo! Real dog. Not kidding.

Labradoodle. I want one someday.

701 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 12:09:08pm

re: #687 Spare O'Lake

What really burns my ass is when Jews are wrongly accused of using Nazi tactics. It is a particularly vile form of vicious Jew-baiting.

When one has little to no interest in history, and a huge antisemitic agenda to push, all logic and decency goes out the window.

702 Only The Lurker Knows  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 12:09:12pm

Things are getting way out of hand concerning these bailouts.

Porn industry seeks federal bailout

WASHINGTON (CNN) — Another major American industry is asking for assistance as the global financial crisis continues: Hustler publisher Larry Flynt and Girls Gone Wild CEO Joe Francis said Wednesday they will request that Congress allocate $5 billion for a bailout of the adult entertainment industry.

And this is just way over the top (but pretty accurate, if you go by what happened in the bank bailout)

Is it the most serious thing in the world? Is it going to make the lives of Americans better if it happens? It is not for them to determine.”

703 [deleted]  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 12:09:22pm
704 Nevergiveup  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 12:09:24pm

re: #681 ggt

Hold individual soldiers accountable for their actions? No sex, means no sex --right?

Yeah, but when Politicians get involved sometimes there are unintended consequences. They are gonna start spelling out acceptable behavior and I can see shit hitting the fan.

705 lawhawk  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 12:10:17pm

re: #653 jamgarr

R2D2s (CIWS). Israel has a couple of them too, and I think they're working on the problems.

706 WriterMom  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 12:10:27pm

re: #689 Kenneth

OMG that's funny...hahahahahhaa

707 Hard Right  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 12:11:00pm

re: #700 jwb7605

Labradoodle. I want one someday.

Heh. Cute dog.
I'd like a Corgi myself. My current foo-foo dog has to pass first. She won't tolerate not being my number 1.

708 Nevergiveup  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 12:11:00pm

re: #698 debutaunt

One day we'll be able to use the simple content of character standard.

Tell that to the democrats!

709 Spenser (with an S)  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 12:11:01pm

Next research question; Could someone please describe the "settlement" movement in the west bank? Is the same thing going to happen to those settlers as we saw in '05 in Gaza? Are those people in danger right now? Is the govt. turning its back on them or is that going to stay for a while? Thanks a lot, idiot moonbat yipping at my heels needs a cluebat.

710 Silhouette  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 12:11:04pm

re: #668 Iron Fist

What is worse is giving women less rigorous Physical Training Tests than men. When the bullets start flying Jihadi isn't going to give you a boost over the wall you are trying to get over so you can have some cover.

They aren't helping the service or the women.

Going back to the heart surgeon analogy, I don't want a surgeon that passed a less difficult final exam. Does anyone?

Banning all women was wrong, even using the argument that on average, men are more capable at (fill in the blank). But likewise lowering the standards for women is wrong. We're not talking the ladies tee at golf here.

If naturally, the top 100 applicants for a job are 80 men and 20 women, and you outright ban women as we did for centuries in certain jobs, you get 20% of your people who are second-rate (the men who otherwise wouldn't have been in the first draft). BUT if you force a 50-50 male-female ratio, now it is worse. You get 30% of your people who are second-rate (in this case women who otherwise didn't make the first draft).

711 notutopia  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 12:11:04pm

re: #683 jwb7605

I understand your point, but I tend to disagree.
Joe has shown an ability to "ask a relevant question".

If a good question gets asked, it's better to get it from a non-agenda driven viewpoint.

I will agree that he has asked a very relevant question.
And I pray he will be non-biased in his reporting.
He will be a civilian reporter. Not a military reporter.
However, his military experience will allow him a degree of empathy none-the-less.

712 cagney  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 12:11:11pm

It's been reported that Moslem fanatics are drawing up a hit list of leading UK Jews:

[Link: www.thesun.co.uk...]

713 Aye Pod  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 12:11:14pm

I don't want to spend all night on this topic, so I'll finish my part here. Maximus, deaf dog, bulwrk and others - here's my prediction as to what will happen : the rules will be changed to allow the admission of openly gay soldiers into the military, the predicted crisis of morale/effectiveness will not materialize, and this whole issue will fade way into nothing, as it should.

714 Kenneth  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 12:11:19pm

re: #699 WriterMom

more on the moonbat freaks:

Jewish women freed after protest at Israeli consulate

715 DeafDog  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 12:11:31pm

re: #629 ggt

There seems to be some concept that homosexuals are not able to have the same "work" ethic as heterosexuals. Heterosexual Men and Woman can work together platonically. Same with Homosexuals.

Yes, they can all work together. Humans, however, make mistakes. It happens all the time. Why create a situation that might encourage more mistakes? Would that situation be better or worse than what we have now? I don't see how it could be better, it might be the same, and it might be worse. To me, the risk that it might be worse is not worth the risk.

716 transient  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 12:11:52pm

re: #582 Iron Fist

If they don't make it a problem, then the gays won't be a problem. If they want to be the "Queen Berets", then they need to go work at a club in New Orleans. The problem isn't the gays that just want to do their job and serve their country.

But we don't need the "Folsom Street Fair" crowd in the military. And yes, that is a serious concern.

If gays are going to be out in the military, then they should be treated like everyone else, and have the same responsibilities as everyone else with equal rank/MOS, etc. If they can't handle it, or if they behave inappropriately, then they should be kicked out or reassigned just as any other soldier who behaves inappropriately would be.

I also doubt that gays looking for a military career are into hedonism. I would assume that gays who want to go into the military do so for the same reason that straights do. And if they out themselves just to get out of the military--why should it be easier for them to get out than straights, when they have signed up for a commitment?

And arguments about cohesion in combat don't even apply to many MOS, like intelligence, translation, support functions. So when people object to gays in the military period, it sounds like prejudice to me.

As for blacks/ gays comparison--yes, I know it's not a great analogy, and I hesitated before I used it. But in the specific context of people getting used to something new and different and uncomfortable, and overcoming previous prejudice, I believe it applies. There are certainly other issues to which the analogy does not apply at all.

But this ain't my battle. And definitely not why I come to LGF.

717 Nevergiveup  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 12:11:58pm

re: #709 Spenser (with an S)

Next research question; Could someone please describe the "settlement" movement in the west bank? Is the same thing going to happen to those settlers as we saw in '05 in Gaza? Are those people in danger right now? Is the govt. turning its back on them or is that going to stay for a while? Thanks a lot, idiot moonbat yipping at my heels needs a cluebat.

Gee, do you have a week to spare?

718 Killian Bundy  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 12:12:13pm

re: #699 WriterMom

Major security lapse.

/peaking of which, did you figure out the Spybot Immunize feature?

719 lawhawk  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 12:12:39pm

And in an up-is-down world, Amnesty International (and YNet, which published the report) says that the IDF purposefully endangering Gazan civilians, and only at the bottom of the report indicates that Gazan gunmen were a danger to civilians.

Nice. Shame on both of them for not only the moral equivalence, but ignoring that the current war in Gaza was wholly the result of Hamas, a terrorist group, firing thousands of kassams into Israel each with the intent to murder Israeli civilians, and Hamas now hides among civilians while carrying out ongoing terrorist operations against Israel. Israeli forces are doing their best to avoid civilian casualties, but any such casualties are the fault of no one but Hamas under international law and common sense (which is sorely lacking among all these so-called human rights groups that suddenly awaken to report on Israel's response while ignoring Hamas and the months of attacks during the so-called ceasefire).

720 Dianna  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 12:12:42pm

re: #707 Hard Right

Heh. Cute dog.
I'd like a Corgi myself. My current foo-foo dog has to pass first. She won't tolerate not being my number 1.

Corgis are great. I know, I've got one.

However, my Male would warn you about them. They're the bad boys of the herding breeds.

721 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 12:12:55pm

re: #694 ggt

Who gives a r@tts ass? Can married heterosexual couples cohabitate on base housing?

The only concern I would have is if operation readiness would be adversely affected. What a military member chooses to do off-duty should be their business as long as there is no detrimental impact on their ability to serve.

722 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 12:12:56pm

re: #700 jwb7605

Labradoodle. I want one someday.

I waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaant a mastiff!

723 hazzyday  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 12:12:57pm

re: #646 Nevergiveup

Absolutely correct but how do you handle overt homosexuality in the Military if the Politicians go out of their way to legalize it and make it tougher to control than fraternization?

The military should just make a gay regiment. I've worked with homosexuals in the military and in the private sector. I can quarantee you that there is no difference in work quality. Probably about 5 times in my life I was propositioned in delicate and blunt ways by homosexuals in my work area. I was usually too shocked to say anything smart. When I was 18 I was too naive to deal with it.

I never met a flaming crazy get in your face homosexuals til I moved to Seattle. And they seem to have more then their share of them here. Sad people.

724 albusteve  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 12:13:01pm

re: #712 cagney

It's been reported that Moslem fanatics are drawing up a hit list of leading UK Jews:

[Link: www.thesun.co.uk...]

Wrist Rocket sales are gonna be off the scale

725 opnion  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 12:13:10pm

re: #684 FrogMarch

According to leftists everywhere - and Joy Baher - Joe the Plumber isn't really a Plumber.

And she's not really a comedian. They are supposed to be upbeat & funny & she is neither.

726 Silhouette  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 12:13:23pm

re: #698 debutaunt

One day we'll be able to use the simple content of character standard.

Sounds like a dream.

727 [deleted]  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 12:13:55pm
728 Only The Lurker Knows  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 12:14:02pm

re: #658 albusteve

Phalanx CIWS

729 experiencedtraveller  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 12:14:53pm

re: #627 karmic_inquisitor

I think it is a buying opportunity. Technicals are stabilizing and the VIX is getting back in line. JMO.

I agree. Actually I pushed all in around Mid November and all of those positions are up. But today is evidence that a panic mentality is still around and I wonder if we will hold any ground above 8000.

Next few days will tell. Check QDEL at 52 week lows after big block sell yesterday.

730 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 12:15:25pm

re: #715 DeafDog

Yes, they can all work together. Humans, however, make mistakes. It happens all the time. Why create a situation that might encourage more mistakes? Would that situation be better or worse than what we have now? I don't see how it could be better, it might be the same, and it might be worse. To me, the risk that it might be worse is not worth the risk.

I guess I don't see the percentages changing. There are people who will act inappropriately regardless. If you have 10 job openings, why not hire the 10 best people for the job, based on education, experience and skill sets? Why does sexual orientation have to be part of the equation?

Out of those 10 people 5 will be good workers, 5 will cause problems --regardless of their personal situation.

731 Spenser (with an S)  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 12:15:28pm

re: #717 Nevergiveup

Gee, do you have a week to spare?

I understand, sorry. I am doing my own search, but the walls are busting here with such knowledge and experience that I thought I'd ask.

732 DeafDog  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 12:15:30pm

re: #681 ggt

Hold individual soldiers accountable for their actions? No sex, means no sex --right?

Brilliant! That rule works great for highschool students in general.

733 CIA Reject  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 12:15:38pm

re: #687 Spare O'Lake

What really burns my ass is when Jews are wrongly accused of using Nazi tactics. It is a particularly vile form of vicious Jew-baiting.

I feel the same way and I know exactly the type of "baiting" to which you refer. However, I do not think the Cardinal was involved in that type of activity. It is, of course, a possibility that he was but I think it is a remote possibility.

What really burns my ass is when people try to use character assassination and slander in an argument as opposed to reason and logic.

Not accusing anybody of that here, but it comes close at times.

734 Ford_Prefect  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 12:16:12pm

I have just returned from bringing my wife to the doctor. She has a sinus infection. While I was sitting in the waiting room the TV was playing CNN. I sat there reading The Crusader, a book about Ronald Reagan. Passages from the book told how the media of the time portrayed Reagan's Strategic Defense Initiative as 'Star Wars'. Reagan never called it that, and in fact resented the phrase because he felt it gave the impression of an offensive weapon, which it was never intended to be (at least not by Reagan). The phrase was actually coined by Ted Kennedy, and picked up by the media and run with. I found it interesting as I sat there reading this, with CNN on in the background, how somethings never really change. We tend to think of this media bias as being a recent thing, but it has been around for a long time, perhaps just a little bit more blatant and unapologetic now. At least now we have places like this to come for the other side of the issue. Thank you, Charles.

735 smokefire  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 12:16:30pm

re: #553 CIA Reject

As a former Catholic, I see that I have ventured down a street, that a lot of Catholics do not want to be reminded about, and are very sensitive about this. The real sin, is that the Catholic Church did nothing, and continues to do nothing. Stonewalls, rejects, reassigns. That is the bigger sin, and when a fallen Catholic [like myself] mentions the molestation problem, and makes these comments, Catholics react. It's too bad that these same ones did not react when the accusations came out. Not unlike a lot of Catholics in WWII, who turned blind eyes to the Holocaust. If I offended you CIA, then I am sorry. The bigger offense is the continuing molestation that goes on, in the Catholic Church, and the continuing cover up . Maybe the comment was cruel, but so is the comment that Israel is perpetrating a concentration camp in Gaza.

736 jwb7605  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 12:16:32pm

re: #711 notutopia

I will agree that he has asked a very relevant question.
And I pray he will be non-biased in his reporting.
He will be a civilian reporter. Not a military reporter.
However, his military experience will allow him a degree of empathy none-the-less.

Joe the plumber is not a real plumber
(that's actually a moonbat talking point, and technically true)
Imagine what somebody would dig up if Joe was in the military and (gasp) didn't make it to E-5 before he got out.

Need I begin listing actual moonbat military talk-show generals?
After all, those guys are totally qualified and must be right, because they are/were retired Generals and stuff.

Did you know John Kerry was in Vietnam?

737 transient  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 12:16:54pm

re: #660 DeafDog

. I'm not arguing for any sort of ban on anyone's activities in the bedroom. I think the status quo seems to be working ok and I'm not convinced it should be changed for the purpose of an experiment.

I'm not interested in random experimentation, either. I AM interested in retaining qualified personnel who can do the jobs we need done. The article Maximus quoted said we've lost hundreds of Arabic translators (and this isn't the first time I've heard that) because they were found to be gay. We NEED more Arabic translators. It's not primarily a combat position, so I don't see how unit cohesion is a valid argument.

738 jwb7605  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 12:16:55pm

re: #722 ggt

I waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaant a mastiff!

Bull.
/

739 albusteve  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 12:17:04pm

re: #728 Bubblehead II

Phalanx CIWS

4500rds per min at 3600' per second....yikes

740 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 12:17:39pm

Hamas using 'underground city' to launch attacks on Israel from Gaza

The squads – led by fighters believed to have been trained in Lebanon and Iran – are based inside intricate tunnel networks that can be accessed from mosques, Hamas commanders homes and public buildings. In close combat fighting, Hamas operatives use the tunnel layout to lure Israel soldiers into ambushes where they could be captured or killed.
....
Hamas fighters used the tunnels to plant explosives and set trip wires in buildings next door to positions used by Israeli troops as rest or mustering points.

Munitions and explosives have been strategically placed throughout the tunnels. Israel claims to have destroyed a "large number" of tunnels in air raids that triggered "quite a few" secondary explosions of arms caches.
.....
Above ground the tunnel entrances have been covered by rugs, radiators and even toy boxes in local homes.

Hamas has also evolved its strategy for firing rockets from the Gaza strip into Israel. Launch pads are dug into below-ground silos that are virtually impossible detect from the air. The majority of rockets are now triggered remotely using mobile phone signals or wires. "There's no need to be at the base of the launch plate with a box of matches any more," an official said.

741 Broomer  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 12:17:48pm

Deaf Blogger got "Fisked"

Idiot swallowed the MSM lies - hook, line and sinker.

743 Hard Right  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 12:18:43pm

re: #697 buzzsawmonkey

Well, then, they should have no problem with his really being a journalist--except that it kind of shows them up.

And Behar isn't a woman.

744 debutaunt  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 12:18:58pm

re: #726 Silhouette

Sounds like a dream.

I like to see people as individuals, but many like to identify with groups.

745 HippieforLife  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 12:20:09pm

I nominate the Fabulous Furry Freak Brothers for the next Hamas mascots.

746 Nevergiveup  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 12:20:11pm

re: #737 transient

I have heard that also but I have NEVER really seen any proof of that? What Arabic translators are more prone to being gay? That sounds fishy and a tad to convenient to me?

747 formercorpsman  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 12:20:17pm

re: #685 WriterMom

Yes, another thing very much at the center of it.

Something such as boot camp exploits this scenario totally. It is the closest form of cohabitation anyone can imagine.

Now I would expect it to be only natural for a gay man showering together with a group of naked men, not to be at the very least mindful of his surroundings. If someone wants to tell me that there is no way this would not be on the minds of all parties because of some sort of perceived professionalism over and above human nature is fooling themselves.

Seriously, that would be similar to me making the comparison that I could shower with a bunch of naked females, and I could overlook the fact that I was in a shower with a bunch of naked females.

It is not as clear cut a situation as some people want to believe.

748 [deleted]  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 12:20:20pm
749 _RememberTonyC  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 12:20:29pm

I know that many Lizards already know this, but at times like this, I like to remind anyone within my range about the truth behind the "palestinian" cause:
======
Zuheir Mohsen (b. 1936, d. 1979) was a Palestinian leader of the Syria-controlled as-Sa'iqa faction of the Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO) between 1971 and 1979. Previously active as a refugee in the Jordanian wing of the Ba'th party, he was installed in this position after defence minister Hafiz al-Assad's 1969-1970 takeover in Syria, which he had supported against the previously dominant regime of Salah Jadid.

Trouw interview
Zuhair Mohsen is perhaps most widely known in the West for having made the following statement in a March 1977 interview with the Dutch newspaper Trouw[1][2]:

The Palestinian people does not exist. The creation of a Palestinian state is only a means for continuing our struggle against the state of Israel for our Arab unity. In reality today there is no difference between Jordanians, Palestinians, Syrians and Lebanese. Only for political and tactical reasons do we speak today about the existence of a Palestinian people, since Arab national interests demand that we posit the existence of a distinct "Palestinian people" to oppose Zionism.
For tactical reasons, Jordan, which is a sovereign state with defined borders, cannot raise claims to Haifa and Jaffa, while as a Palestinian, I can undoubtedly demand Haifa, Jaffa, Beer-Sheva and Jerusalem. However, the moment we reclaim our right to all of Palestine, we will not wait even a minute to unite Palestine and Jordan.
==========
Maybe the LA Times could reprint this interview in order to show its "evenhanded" approach to giving HAMAS access to its pages. (Not holding my breath)

750 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 12:20:42pm

re: #735 smokefire

As a former Catholic, I see that I have ventured down a street, that a lot of Catholics do not want to be reminded about, and are very sensitive about this. The real sin, is that the Catholic Church did nothing, and continues to do nothing. Stonewalls, rejects, reassigns. That is the bigger sin, and when a fallen Catholic [like myself] mentions the molestation problem, and makes these comments, Catholics react. It's too bad that these same ones did not react when the accusations came out. Not unlike a lot of Catholics in WWII, who turned blind eyes to the Holocaust. If I offended you CIA, then I am sorry. The bigger offense is the continuing molestation that goes on, in the Catholic Church, and the continuing cover up . Maybe the comment was cruel, but so is the comment that Israel is perpetrating a concentration camp in Gaza.

Why single out the RC Church? Do you think that RC Priests have the monopoly on sex crimes? Or do you believe that the MSM only reports about it because they are the only religious people who commit such crimes?

I understand having issues with the Church, but don't let it interfere with your perspective on the situation.

751 Hard Right  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 12:20:51pm

re: #720 Dianna

Corgis are great. I know, I've got one.

However, my Male would warn you about them. They're the bad boys of the herding breeds.

Awww. I would have to get a female. I like to be able to give them a full tummy rub and remain just friends.

752 scottishbuzzsaw  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 12:20:53pm

Just came across this...sorry if it's been posted before.

[Link: online.wsj.com...]

From the link:

Three years ago Israel withdrew from every square inch of Gaza. And since that withdrawal, our civilians have been targeted by more than 6,000 rockets and mortars fired from Gaza. In the face of this relentless bombardment, Israel has acted with a restraint that other countries, faced with a similar threat, would find hard to fathom. Israel's government has finally decided to respond.

For this action to succeed, we must first have moral clarity. There is no moral equivalence between Israel, a democracy which seeks peace and targets the terrorists, and Hamas, an Iranian-backed terror organization that seeks Israel's destruction and targets the innocent.

In launching precision strikes against Hamas rocket launchers, headquarters, weapons depots, smuggling tunnels and training camps, Israel is trying to minimize civilian casualties. But Hamas deliberately attacks Israeli civilians and deliberately hides behind Palestinian civilians -- a double war crime. Responsible governments do their utmost to minimize civilian casualties, but they do not grant immunity to terrorists who use civilians as human shields.

The international community may occasionally condemn Hamas for putting Palestinian civilians in harm's way, but if it ultimately holds Israel responsible for the casualties that ensue, then Hamas and other terror organizations will employ this abominable tactic again and again.

The charge that Israel is using disproportionate force is equally baseless. Does proportionality demand that Israel fire 6,000 rockets indiscriminately back at Gaza?

753 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 12:21:17pm

re: #738 jwb7605

Bull.
/

Neo!

754 Silhouette  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 12:21:49pm

re: #736 jwb7605

Joe the plumber is not a real plumber
(that's actually a moonbat talking point, and technically true)

He isn't a licensed plumber. Whether that is the same thing as being a real plumber is doubtful. In my book, if you plumb for money, you're a plumber.

Although there are those in the engineering field who will not call those without their PE an engineer.

755 DeafDog  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 12:22:44pm

re: #730 ggt

I guess I don't see the percentages changing. There are people who will act inappropriately regardless. If you have 10 job openings, why not hire the 10 best people for the job, based on education, experience and skill sets? Why does sexual orientation have to be part of the equation?

Out of those 10 people 5 will be good workers, 5 will cause problems --regardless of their personal situation.

IMO, that is exactly what happens today. I don't see a reason to change.

756 jwb7605  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 12:23:37pm

re: #744 debutaunt

I like to see people as individuals, but many like to identify with groups.

Take pride in viewing yourself as a cannibal, uncultured, self subservient monstrous idiot sickening zionist honco individual.

It makes you stand out from the rest ...

757 itellu3times  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 12:24:05pm

re: #658 albusteve

radar tracking Gatlin guns would probably get it done...the type our Navy uses...cant think of the name...they are super fast

phalanx.

The "problem" with them is, the bullets that miss, and there tend to be lots, have to land somewhere, and might land in a child's hummus and make him cry.

758 Silhouette  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 12:24:26pm

re: #744 debutaunt

I like to see people as individuals, but many like to identify with groups.

I think that is one of the core differences in the left and the right.

759 Ford_Prefect  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 12:24:59pm

re: #752 scottishbuzzsaw

Just came across this...sorry if it's been posted before.

[Link: online.wsj.com...]

From the link:

Good post.

760 [deleted]  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 12:25:40pm
761 yma o hyd  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 12:25:57pm

re: #740 Killgore Trout

From your link:
'Munitions and explosives have been strategically placed throughout the tunnels. Israel claims to have destroyed a "large number" of tunnels in air raids that triggered "quite a few" secondary explosions of arms caches.'

Note the quotation marks here - these are not used when the author speaks about what Hamas has been doing, regarding their underground military set-ups.

It implies that what the Israeli officers are saying is questionable.
as the author is in Israel, I would assume he has a laptop and access to the internet. He doesn't seem to have even glanced at the videos the IDF has been putting up ...

762 SaneInMN  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 12:25:57pm

Hugh Hewitt patiently draws out the infection...
Hugh's interview with Glenn Greenwald...

[Link: hughhewitt.townhall.com...]

Here are a few interesting excerpts...Glenn is ABSOLUTELY CLUELESS!

HH: Let’s come back to that, but pause for a moment on Hamas. Do you think Hamas is a threat to the United States?


GG: No, I don’t think Hamas is remotely a threat to the United States. I think Saddam Hussein was more of a threat to the United States, and I don’t think he was a threat to the United States.


HH: Do you think Hamas is an extension of Iran?


GG: No, I don’t think Hamas is an extension of Iran.


HH: And do you believe Hamas is a terrorist organization?


GG: I mean, every person has their own definition of terrorism. The definition I use would include probably a lot more things than you would include, but I would include things like sending people to blow themselves up in pizza parlors and buses inside Israel to be acts of terrorism, sure.

763 DeafDog  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 12:26:03pm

re: #741 Broomer

Deaf Blogger got "Fisked"

Idiot swallowed the MSM lies - hook, line and sinker.

I'm blocked from the link at the office, but the title offends me. I want a bailout.

764 Dianna  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 12:26:30pm

re: #751 Hard Right

Awww. I would have to get a female. I like to be able to give them a full tummy rub and remain just friends.

*Snicker!*

I got my corgi before I acquired my Male. The corgi - unlike the cat - has no inappropriate interest. But he's not exactly eager to please my Male. He's bright, alert, interested, tough and stubborn. He likes to do everything at a dead run, and - while he's very loving - he doesn't listen worth a damn.

Makes you wonder why he's got those great big ears.

765 Occasional Reader  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 12:27:07pm

re: #757 itellu3times

phalanx.

The "problem" with them is, the bullets that miss, and there tend to be lots, have to land somewhere, and might land in a child's hummus and make him cry.

And, of course, Hamas would bank on that, and try to collect crowds of children within the line of fire, with Reuters photogs standing by.

766 gop_patriot  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 12:27:23pm

re: #702 Bubblehead II

You have got to be kidding me.

No, no, no, no, NO.

767 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 12:27:31pm

re: #754 Silhouette

He isn't a licensed plumber. Whether that is the same thing as being a real plumber is doubtful. In my book, if you plumb for money, you're a plumber.

Although there are those in the engineering field who will not call those without their PE an engineer.

If Joe had asked Our Messiah-King an exceptionally reverential question that would have glorified and magnified His Greatness the FMSM would be finding the lack of a license to not be a problem. Nay, I dare say it would be promoted as a righteous meme of evil Capitalism keeping the self-employed down.

768 CIA Reject  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 12:27:46pm

re: #735 smokefire

As a former Catholic, I see that I have ventured down a street, that a lot of Catholics do not want to be reminded about, and are very sensitive about this. The real sin, is that the Catholic Church did nothing, and continues to do nothing. Stonewalls, rejects, reassigns. That is the bigger sin, and when a fallen Catholic [like myself] mentions the molestation problem, and makes these comments, Catholics react. It's too bad that these same ones did not react when the accusations came out. Not unlike a lot of Catholics in WWII, who turned blind eyes to the Holocaust. If I offended you CIA, then I am sorry. The bigger offense is the continuing molestation that goes on, in the Catholic Church, and the continuing cover up . Maybe the comment was cruel, but so is the comment that Israel is perpetrating a concentration camp in Gaza.

The Catholic Church is a very large and often unwieldy organization and it has more than its fair share of jerks. Some of those jerks are child abusers, and some of them (as you note) are apologists and enablers of child abusers. There is no excuse for these people, they are a manifestation of the infiltration of Evil into the Church, and they should be removed from their positions and prosecuted to the full extent of the law. I have seen the Church do that, and unfortunately I have also seen the Church NOT do that.

You do not offend me by your remarks- I am not offended by the truth. What pains me is the effect of tarring the integrity of Church teaching with the misdeeds of some of her ministers. I believe attempts to do that are inspired by Evil.

It is akin to trying to persuade someone that because there are corrupt cops one need not obey the law.

Sorry if I have offended you- I meant nothing personal.

769 [deleted]  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 12:28:08pm
770 transient  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 12:28:31pm

re: #709 Spenser (with an S)

Next research question; Could someone please describe the "settlement" movement in the west bank? Is the same thing going to happen to those settlers as we saw in '05 in Gaza? Are those people in danger right now? Is the govt. turning its back on them or is that going to stay for a while? Thanks a lot, idiot moonbat yipping at my heels needs a cluebat.

Yeah, very difficult to answer, let alone prophesy.
1. West Bank residents are a combination of religious Zionists who live there for ideological reasons (it's part of Eretz Israel), as well as secular/ nonideological people who live there because they were offered financial incentives in the past, and /or because it's a convenient commute to Jerusalem.
2. Most diplomatic discussions and Israeli statements assume that the largest settlement blocs, particularly those around Jerusalem, will remain part of Israel, for multiple reasons. A) they are just too big to evacuate, B) they are important suburbs of Jerusalem (imagine trying to evacuate Bethesda and Silver Spring from the DC area), and C) security considerations: Jerusalem is surrounded about 300 degrees by "West Bank" territory. The suburbs add some buffer and depth. The Palestinians would be compensated by being given other tracts of land to make up 100% equivalency in area of land returned.
3. It is further assumed that most (not all) of the other settlements in the West Bank would be removed.

No one knows how it will actually turn out.

771 Ford_Prefect  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 12:28:35pm

re: #760 buzzsawmonkey

Completely proportionate, and therefore, of course, beyond cavil by any Hamas supporters.

Not possible. If one IDF soldier slapped the face of one Hamas fighter before being beheaded by that fighter the Hamas apologists would cry foul.

772 hazzyday  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 12:28:42pm

re: #747 formercorpsman

Yes, another thing very much at the center of it.

Something such as boot camp exploits this scenario totally. It is the closest form of cohabitation anyone can imagine.

Now I would expect it to be only natural for a gay man showering together with a group of naked men, not to be at the very least mindful of his surroundings. If someone wants to tell me that there is no way this would not be on the minds of all parties because of some sort of perceived professionalism over and above human nature is fooling themselves.

Seriously, that would be similar to me making the comparison that I could shower with a bunch of naked females, and I could overlook the fact that I was in a shower with a bunch of naked females.

It is not as clear cut a situation as some people want to believe.

My common situation was the gay guy that wanted to know me, took the opportunity of taking a shower and then walking into the common area where I was watching TV. the towel accidentally fell off. And then came a few suggestive words. Innocent enough but enough to let me know what he wanted. I politely excused myself and that was the end of it.

My time in the military was rife with the word "fag" etc. conversation was so littered with gay profanity one would think everyone in the military was gay. I started to think every cigar smoking profanity laced sgt. was just trying to substitute for his inner desires. to this day I still think anyone smoking a cigar is just substituting for what they really want to do.

773 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 12:28:54pm

re: #755 DeafDog

IMO, that is exactly what happens today. I don't see a reason to change.

Our Messiah-King only wants to make Changes simply to satisfy his worshipers and do Change for Change's sake.

774 Occasional Reader  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 12:30:50pm

re: #767 FurryOldGuyJeans

Our Messiah-King

I asked a liberal friend today whether she had any plans for "the Coronation". In reply, she chatted away cheerfully about attending this ball and that party, without apparently noticing the word I had used.

775 notutopia  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 12:31:01pm

re: #736 jwb7605

Joe the plumber is not a real plumber
(that's actually a moonbat talking point, and technically true)
Imagine what somebody would dig up if Joe was in the military and (gasp) didn't make it to E-5 before he got out.

Need I begin listing actual moonbat military talk-show generals?
After all, those guys are totally qualified and must be right, because they are/were retired Generals and stuff.

Did you know John Kerry was in Vietnam?


Yes, I do know this. There are thankfully healthy exceptions to every profession. Reporters included. I'm still looking for his military history... if he indeed has any? I too want an unbiased reporter to report from Israel. He's being employed by PJTV. We may have a winner here in Joe.
I reserve the right to embrace him as a reporter, until I can read/see his reports.
[Link: www.toledoonthemove.com...]

776 debutaunt  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 12:31:21pm

re: #772 hazzyday

No means no.

777 Occasional Reader  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 12:31:36pm

re: #769 buzzsawmonkey

Any time someone is asked "Is Hamas a terrorist organization?" and they require more than "yes" or "no" to answer, they are lying.

Also, if he or she answers "no"... lying.

778 Cathypop  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 12:31:42pm

re: #722 ggt

I waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaant a mastiff!


Are you aware that they drool ALOT.

779 lawhawk  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 12:32:22pm

My fellow lizards and legal eagles, here's an excellent primer on international law on the situation in Gaza.... and how the world yawns when Israel is attacked, but can't rush fast enough to the cameras to denounce Israel's unconditional right to defend itself from the terrorists attacking Israel.

I'll summarize, but you really need to read the whole thing:

Each one of the thousands of kassams fired into Israel constitutes an individual war crime. Hamas terror masters directing their minions to fire those rockets into Israel are guilty of war crimes. Palestinian authorities violate international anti-terrorism laws and conventions. (I'd go further and say that the UNRWA and UN itself are in direct violation of the same laws by enabling Hamas to persist in the UNRWA refugee camps). It's ongoing violations of the Genocide Convention (each and every utterance by Hamas is a call for genocide and the annihilation of Israel, repeated ad nauseum by protesters around the world).

780 bosforus  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 12:32:55pm

re: #777 Occasional Reader

Also, if he or she answers "no"... lying.

Also, if they don't call them honcos, they're lying.

Is Hamas a terrorist organization?
Yes, for they are honcos.

781 [deleted]  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 12:32:57pm
782 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 12:33:10pm

re: #774 Occasional Reader

I asked a liberal friend today whether she had any plans for "the Coronation". In reply, she chatted away cheerfully about attending this ball and that party, without apparently noticing the word I had used.

I asked someone who was gushing about the wonders Obama would produce if they would like to attend the anointment and crowning, those words. All I got back how gloriously uplifting such a spiritual event would be.

783 Spenser (with an S)  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 12:33:36pm

re: #770 transient

Thank you, very helpful. This idiot seems much more concerned with an improper pace of settlement building than with the war crimes being carried out by Hamas right now.

784 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 12:33:42pm

re: #768 CIA Reject

The Catholic Church is a very large and often unwieldy organization and it has more than its fair share of jerks. Some of those jerks are child abusers, and some of them (as you note) are apologists and enablers of child abusers. There is no excuse for these people, they are a manifestation of the infiltration of Evil into the Church, and they should be removed from their positions and prosecuted to the full extent of the law. I have seen the Church do that, and unfortunately I have also seen the Church NOT do that.

You do not offend me by your remarks- I am not offended by the truth. What pains me is the effect of tarring the integrity of Church teaching with the misdeeds of some of her ministers. I believe attempts to do that are inspired by Evil.

It is akin to trying to persuade someone that because there are corrupt cops one need not obey the law.

Sorry if I have offended you- I meant nothing personal.

excellent!

785 Occasional Reader  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 12:34:00pm

re: #780 bosforus

Also, if they don't call them honcos, they're lying.

Is Hamas a terrorist organization?
Yes, for they are honcos.

What?! WE are the honcos, bucko! Not them!

In fact, I think of myself as "The Man From H.O.N.C.O."

786 transient  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 12:34:19pm

re: #746 Nevergiveup

I have heard that also but I have NEVER really seen any proof of that? What Arabic translators are more prone to being gay? That sounds fishy and a tad to convenient to me?

Who said they were more prone to being gay?
No one's supplied the total numbers, so we have no idea what the percentages are. And even if the numbers are somewhat exaggerated, in the context of a war on Islamic terrorism, why should we lose even one translator because of it?

787 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 12:34:24pm

re: #772 hazzyday

My common situation was the gay guy that wanted to know me, took the opportunity of taking a shower and then walking into the common area where I was watching TV. the towel accidentally fell off. And then came a few suggestive words. Innocent enough but enough to let me know what he wanted. I politely excused myself and that was the end of it.

My time in the military was rife with the word "fag" etc. conversation was so littered with gay profanity one would think everyone in the military was gay. I started to think every cigar smoking profanity laced sgt. was just trying to substitute for his inner desires. to this day I still think anyone smoking a cigar is just substituting for what they really want to do.

Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.

788 albusteve  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 12:34:50pm

re: #785 Occasional Reader

What?! WE are the honcos, bucko! Not them!

In fact, I think of myself as "The Man From H.O.N.C.O."

excellent....no shit bro

789 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 12:35:14pm

re: #787 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.

Bill C. would disagree. *PUKE*

790 karmic_inquisitor  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 12:35:26pm

re: #729 experiencedtraveller

I agree. Actually I pushed all in around Mid November and all of those positions are up. But today is evidence that a panic mentality is still around and I wonder if we will hold any ground above 8000.

Next few days will tell. Check QDEL at 52 week lows after big block sell yesterday.

Interesting on QDEL. I am trying to stay very disciplined - I made a plan a when I looked over the wreckage of my portfolio after the crash. So I have stuck with low P/E, little to no debt, cash on hand and a clear baseline demand. So I am sitting in OMG, CF, MFLX, SLXP, ENDP and DWSN for the most part. Speculating on OPTT and USU (OPTT still trades for less than cash on hand but isn't profitable yet). Anyway, those with cash should start doing acquisitions and buybacks and both MFLX and ENDP have already started. I guess I am betting that the cash flood will prevent the meltdown even though it will ultimately lead to stagflation.

791 stevieray  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 12:35:30pm

re: #93 ploome hineni

Thanks for the link, ploome. Its good to read someone who actually "gets it". A rational analysis of the situation based on all of the relevant facts -- free from ideological blindness -- really sums up the ME situation well.

792 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 12:35:57pm

re: #778 Cathypop

Are you aware that they drool ALOT.

yeah, I still want one! Alhough, it would have to be an "outside" dog most of the year.

793 hazzyday  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 12:36:29pm

re: #787 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.

I've heard that before. :-) but the ambient conversation in those situations would lead me to think that that was seldom the case.

794 bosforus  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 12:36:39pm

re: #785 Occasional Reader

What?! WE are the honcos, bucko! Not them!

In fact, I think of myself as "The Man From H.O.N.C.O."


Bah! I give up - couldn't come up with good words for that acronym.

795 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 12:36:47pm

Are submariners all closet gays - I mean, they spend half a year in something long, hard & full of seamen?

796 Spare O'Lake  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 12:38:02pm

What better illustration of the essential barbarism and self-hating nature of Islam than the Ashura public self-mutilation rituals.
My own favourite is the one where they writhe face down on the ground like snakes, intentionally scraping their own faces on the pavement until bloody and raw.
Wouldn't Allah be more impressed by devotees who had enough sense to stop short of permanently mutilating themselves?

797 Kragar  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 12:38:09pm

re: #795 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Are submariners all closet gays - I mean, they spend half a year in something long, hard & full of seamen?

I knew that joke was coming

798 Only The Lurker Knows  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 12:38:16pm

re: #739 albusteve

Meet his little brother, C-RAM

799 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 12:38:20pm

re: #795 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Are submariners all closet gays - I mean, they spend half a year in something long, hard & full of seamen?

And they are always going down.

/Did I actually say that?

800 Thor-Zone  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 12:38:24pm

re: #682 Iron Fist

They may be lying to themselves, and really believe that this time Hamas means it, but probably not.

It is against their religion to stop killing joooooos. That is why this has been going on non-stop since Isreal was formed. Everything has been tried. Nothing has worked. The Muslums don't want it to work. They just want to kill jooooos.

801 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 12:39:59pm

re: #800 Thor-Zone

It is against their religion to stop killing joooooos. That is why this has been going on non-stop since Isreal was formed. Everything has been tried. Nothing has worked. The Muslums don't want it to work. They just want to kill jooooos.

Kill all Juice!
/

802 formercorpsman  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 12:40:11pm

re: #772 hazzyday

Well, I can say that I knew quite a few gays in the military, and some were close friends.

Some were jerks, but there were plenty of straight jerks also.

Many of the people who were, seemed to actually prefer the don't ask don't tell scenario. Their private life was private, their work was professional, and I got the impression they did not want any interference with their professionalism being subject to hyperbole.

803 [deleted]  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 12:40:12pm
804 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 12:40:15pm

Turning over --->

805 Only The Lurker Knows  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 12:40:28pm

re: #766 gop_patriot

Actually I think they are just being snarky about the whole bailout thing. But you never know.

806 yma o hyd  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 12:40:47pm

re: #779 lawhawk

Wow.
Updinged - and hearted ...
Am reading it, but just wanted to say this is outstanding - and shows up the bias of all international organisations who have been 'dealing' with this.

807 Occasional Reader  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 12:41:18pm

re: #797 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I knew that joke was coming

In fact, I just had to ding BDVM down for it. WAAYYYY too predictable, BDVM!

808 albusteve  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 12:41:31pm

re: #798 Bubblehead II

Meet his little brother, C-RAM


[Video]

I love the snap crackle pop part...I want one now...just the varmint model :)

809 Kenneth  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 12:42:06pm

re: #779 lawhawk

It is also a war crime to store munitions in mosques, schools and private homes. It's a war crime to use civilians as human shields to protect those places. It's a war crime to fire from those civilian locations and thereby remove the protected status which places of worship & schools ought to have. It is also a war crime for Hamas combatants to not wear military uniforms with proper insignia.

810 Crusader Rabbit  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 12:42:23pm
IDF Kills Giant Jew-Eating Rabbit


I'm glad for this. Bastard gave us rabbits a bad name. I assure you that most rabbits abhor anti-semitism.

811 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 12:42:26pm

new thread --------------------------->

812 Soona'  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 12:42:50pm

re: #769 buzzsawmonkey

Any time someone is asked "Is Hamas a terrorist organization?" and they require more than "yes" or "no" to answer, they are lying.

That's a very good rule of thumb.

813 jwb7605  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 12:43:01pm

re: #754 Silhouette

He isn't a licensed plumber. Whether that is the same thing as being a real plumber is doubtful. In my book, if you plumb for money, you're a plumber.

Although there are those in the engineering field who will not call those without their PE an engineer.


I am an unemployed hardware/software guy with an AASEE and 7 certificates of programming.

I have absolutely no idea where you get that idea ...
///!

814 DeafDog  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 12:43:39pm

re: #786 transient

Who said they were more prone to being gay?
No one's supplied the total numbers, so we have no idea what the percentages are. And even if the numbers are somewhat exaggerated, in the context of a war on Islamic terrorism, why should we lose even one translator because of it?

So now the big experiment is needed to save 1 translator for the US Army? Are you serious?

Many of these translators are extremely patriotic towards America (even the Iraqi born ones). They do it to get the green card and to get relocated here. They ran a story in the Dallas Morning News a while back that resettled locally and it was heartwarming stuff.

Suppose, however, that there were some who started doing it for the cash, realized that they could get paid more by Exxon and wanted out. How could they do that? They could say they are gay and get their discharge. I'm suspicious of this scenario. In any case, in the military, the individual is not more important than the whole. If you want to 'express' yourself, stay in civilian life.

815 Outrider  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 12:43:58pm

Hateful show. It will be recalled that Nahoul himself replaced Farfour, the Hamas mouse, who was killed by an Israeli soldier on the show in June 2007.

Here is a line from this little bunny rabbit:

"I, Assud, Will Get Rid of the Jews, Allah Willing, and I Will Eat Them Up"
Saraa Barhoum [to girl in the audience]: "Is there anything you want to share with us?"
Girl: "Arnoub ['Rabbit']?"
Saraa Barhoum "His name is Assud ['Lion']."
Girl: "How come you are called Assud, even though you look like a rabbit?"
Assud: "Because a rabbit is not good. He's a coward. But I, Assud, will get rid of the Jews, Allah willing, and I will eat them up, Allah willing, right?"
Saraa Barhoum: "Allah willing."

Says a lot about their "culture"

816 Inquisitive  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 12:44:17pm

re: #711 notutopia

I will agree that he has asked a very relevant question.
And I pray he will be non-biased in his reporting.
He will be a civilian reporter. Not a military reporter.
However, his military experience will allow him a degree of empathy none-the-less.


Better Joe the Plumber than this guy...

817 bulwrk  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 12:44:22pm

re: #694 ggt

Obviously the military gives a rat@ss or it wouldn't be an issue.

818 Hard Right  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 12:44:35pm

re: #764 Dianna

*Snicker!*

I got my corgi before I acquired my Male. The corgi - unlike the cat - has no inappropriate interest. But he's not exactly eager to please my Male. He's bright, alert, interested, tough and stubborn. He likes to do everything at a dead run, and - while he's very loving - he doesn't listen worth a damn.

Makes you wonder why he's got those great big ears.


Big ears? Why, all the better to ignore you with. Too funny. You know, they say dogs reflect the personality of their owners. ;) Me, I like dogs with personality. Sounds like I'd love your Corgi.

Short haired Pekingese here. She is spoiled rotten, intelligent, and fairly stubborn. Very mellow and quiet, yet territorial. Oh, and she's addicted to tummy rubs. Look at her cross eyed and she's on her back. I call it the Madonna flop.

819 Only The Lurker Knows  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 12:44:39pm

re: #795 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Groan.

820 Only The Lurker Knows  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 12:45:34pm

re: #799 FurryOldGuyJeans

double groan

821 transient  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 12:46:00pm

re: #783 Spenser (with an S)

Thank you, very helpful. This idiot seems much more concerned with an improper pace of settlement building than with the war crimes being carried out by Hamas right now.

If the Palestinians were actually interested in a real peace settlement, it would have taken place years ago and settlements wouldn't be an issue.

Reminder for your LLL friend: "settlements" and "occupied territories" were not the issue when Nasser threatened to annihilate Israel in '67, except that all of Israel was considered to be "occupied Palestine." So the issue isn't really territories or settlements, but when/if the Arabs are willing to recognize Israel's right to exist as a Jewish state, with secure borders.

822 itellu3times  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 12:46:32pm

re: #752 scottishbuzzsaw

Just came across this...sorry if it's been posted before.

[Link: online.wsj.com...]
Militant Islam Threatens Us All
Benjamin Netanyahu

From the link:

Carpet-bombing of Palestinian cities is not an option that any Israeli leader will entertain.

I will say this yet again, the option must be entertained or the leadership is incompetent.

I will not say that it must be carried out, but not to consider it is certainly wrong.

823 jwb7605  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 12:47:05pm

Charles has inadvertently -- nah, started a pun thread upstairs.

824 baconeatingkaffir  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 12:49:34pm

Am I wrong to say that I see the openly gay in the military issue of less importance than muslims in the military? I remember when I was in basic there were two guys who thought that Air Force basic was just a bit rough for them and their social lives. So, they go to our MTI and tell him "Sir, we want to go home ... we're gay" and our TI with a stright face starts prentending to unbutton his fly and tells them "Well gentlemen I'm not sure if youre gay or not but you sure as f*ck will be by the time you leave my office". Trust me I have never seen guys turn that particular shade of red or run away so fast!

825 itellu3times  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 12:49:38pm

re: #809 Kenneth

It is also a war crime to store munitions in mosques, schools and private homes. It's a war crime to use civilians as human shields to protect those places. It's a war crime to fire from those civilian locations and thereby remove the protected status which places of worship & schools ought to have. It is also a war crime for Hamas combatants to not wear military uniforms with proper insignia.

It is worse than a war crime, to do all of these to attack an enemy ten times stronger than you are, such that you have zero chance of success. Even the Koran recommends against it.

826 Namath  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 12:52:49pm

re: #476 Nevergiveup

Unfortunately, the church seems to have abandoned the concept of a "just war."

827 LGoPs  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 12:55:57pm

I'm way late to this one and can't read the thread.......
Has anybody asked whether they used the Holy Hand Grenade of Antioch to kill the rabbit?
If not, I'm asking.......

828 transient  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 12:56:03pm

re: #814 DeafDog

So now the big experiment is needed to save 1 translator for the US Army? Are you serious?

Many of these translators are extremely patriotic towards America (even the Iraqi born ones). They do it to get the green card and to get relocated here. They ran a story in the Dallas Morning News a while back that resettled locally and it was heartwarming stuff.

Suppose, however, that there were some who started doing it for the cash, realized that they could get paid more by Exxon and wanted out. How could they do that? They could say they are gay and get their discharge. I'm suspicious of this scenario. In any case, in the military, the individual is not more important than the whole. If you want to 'express' yourself, stay in civilian life.

You moved the target. You're suspicious of the numbers-- so find new ones. I wasn't aware there was a detailed listing of all gay translators. But there may be lists of gays (or reported gays) removed for sexual orientation.

It may well be that people have admitted to being gay (whether they are or not) to get out of the army. So why not remove the loophole?

Not interested people "expressing themselves." I am only interested in qualified people being given the opportunity to serve in a professional fashion. For every comment here about how uncomfortable or difficult it has been for former soldiers to deal with gays, there have been comments about qualified personel who have behaved professionally. That is what we should all expect-- professional behavior. If they can't do that, then kick them out, gay or straight.

And no one has supplied a valid reason to exclude gays from serving (especially with regards to noncombat units) other than it makes them uncomfortable-- I don't consider that to be a valid basis for discrimination.

I am hear to read and discuss the Mideast/ Gaza situation. Not gays in the military.

829 ArchangelMichael  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 12:59:46pm

re: #782 FurryOldGuyJeans

I asked someone who was gushing about the wonders Obama would produce if they would like to attend the anointment and crowning, those words. All I got back how gloriously uplifting such a spiritual event would be.

I think I'll post something about the 'Coronation of Emperor Zero' on my Facebook account status line on the 20th and see what some of my raving moonbat 30+ year old adolescent friends say.

830 lobo91  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 1:02:55pm

re: #737 transient

I'm not interested in random experimentation, either. I AM interested in retaining qualified personnel who can do the jobs we need done. The article Maximus quoted said we've lost hundreds of Arabic translators (and this isn't the first time I've heard that) because they were found to be gay.

Sorry, but that's simply not the case.

We've lost hundreds of Arabic translators (if that's even true) because they decided to come out and announce that they were gay, so that they could get out of the military.

I hate to break this to you, but there's no "gay task force" in the military looking for them. The only reason anyone is ever discharged under the don't ask/don't tell policy is because they told.

831 DeafDog  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 1:03:13pm

re: #828 transient


I did not move the target, you did with the "why should we lose one translator" argument.

Qualified people have the opportunity to serve today. And the most qualified people do serve today. The only ones who are turned away are the ones who can't handle the rules. So be it.

BTW - I'm glad this thread is over. I think we were kinda saying the same thing over and over towards the end. It's an important discussion, however. Thanks for giving your POV.

832 experiencedtraveller  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 1:06:39pm

re: #735 smokefire

Not unlike a lot of Catholics in WWII, who turned blind eyes to the Holocaust.

Pardon the buttinsky and I do not mean to take one sentence and expand on it but I think its relevant to add that during the war the future Pope John XXIII was instrumental in opposing the holocaust.

And while I find the silence of Pope Pius XII after the war to be troubling the most comprehensive Jewish study of Pope Pius XII efforts to save Jews from the Holocaust is a strong endorsement of the efforts.

Interestingly, Pope Pius XII maintained his strong reputation from the war until the 1960's when:

The campaign of vilification against Pope Pius can be traced to the debut in Berlin in February 1963 of a play, by a young, Protestant, left-wing West German writer and playwright, Rolf Hochhuth. The Deputy, in which Hochhuth depicts Pacelli as a Nazi collaborator, guilty of moral cowardice and "silence" in the face of the Nazi onslaught, is a scathing indictment of Pope Pius XII's alleged indifferences to the plight of European Jewry during the Holocaust.

Hochhuth's play ignited a public controversy about Pius XII that continues this day. Despite the fact that The Deputy was a purely fictional and highly polemical play, which offered little or no historical evidence for its allegations against Pope Pius XII, it was widely discussed and acclaimed

Recently, several books (Hitler's Pope) among others have attempted to revise history in favor of the fictitious account of Pius XII. And while some of these books use historical method I do not think they will succeed in changing the original estimation of the man by the principle witness'. A rebuttle to the recent, negative publications is found here.

833 Serious  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 1:17:45pm

re: #809 Kenneth

It is also a war crime to store munitions in mosques, schools and private homes. It's a war crime to use civilians as human shields to protect those places. It's a war crime to fire from those civilian locations and thereby remove the protected status which places of worship & schools ought to have. It is also a war crime for Hamas combatants to not wear military uniforms with proper insignia.

In my humble opinion what hamas does is not a war crime because they are not a legitimate army , so it is another kind of crime ... it is terrorism , they are just a terrorist oganization , they don't deserve to be seen as any army or anything like that .
And as a terrorist organization the civilians are their main target if they are "infidels" or their main "tools" if they are palestinian .
Their crimes are just coward acts of terrorism , no matter if the victims are jews or palestinian children used as human shields .

About assud the bunny , this photo is some kind of "fauxtography-for-children edition" ? ¬¬'

834 Kenneth  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 1:20:53pm

re: #833 Serious

You don't have to belong to a legitimate army to commit a war crime or a crime against humanity. Hamas is scum.

835 abolitionist  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 1:59:52pm

re: #760 buzzsawmonkey

Actually, that rather appeals to me; that Israel, rather than risking its soldiers by going in, simply fire 6000 rockets at Gaza.

All at once. On a mapped, interlocking grid covering the entire region. Let the Gazans do what they will in the resultant rubble.

Completely proportionate, and therefore, of course, beyond cavil by any Hamas supporters.

That would be proportionate in some ways, yes. In others, no.

The Palis could scramble for cover at the beginning of such a barrage, and just sit tight through the remaining thousands. The vast majority of those rockets would be completely expected, unlike rockets into Israel.

And after such a retaliation played out, would the Palis feel safe? Probably. Would the Israelis feel safe? Probably not.

836 A.W.  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 2:41:37pm

Meh, i guess i just have outrage fatigue.

I remember years ago Sting sang that we wouldn't face anihilation "if the russians loved their children too." The problem with islamofascists is thay, yes, they love their children, and under their twisted logic, they show love for them by sending them to Allah asap. I'm not saying everyone in Gaza buys into that crud, but enough do.

Which is exactly why we have to keep the nuke out of Iran's hands, and any of these other islamofascist morons. i find it continually stunning that liberals will tell me that iran would never attack isreal, because that would be suicidal. you know, becuase crazy muslims have never attacked when it was suicidal.

Let's pray that Obama has an oval office conversion, or something. because as of november, i had no confidence that he understood any of that.

837 Tom Blogical  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 2:47:37pm

I'm sure someone has already beaten me to the punch on this, but the first thing I thought was...

...if Hamas wasn't hiding behind the bunny while launching mortars, the IDF wouldn't have accidentally killed him while intentionally killing Hamas...

838 jmaimarc  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 3:13:58pm

re: #833 Serious

I'm willing to bend my reality far enough to say that irrespective of the subsequent junta, since they were "elected," that makes them some sort of an official standing army. But it's an academic argument. The Geneva Convention assumes that we're talking about two belligerents that respect the rule of law and preserve the notion of a civilized country. Hamas does neither, and Israel finally said, "you know what? Enough of this happy crappy." Hamas turned this into a street fight, the kind of brawl that you just don't want to get involved in. You can't help but stare though, transfixed, wondering whatever in the world made that psychotic group of thugs push the most dominant power in the region past their breaking point.

Israel is playing it very cool. Hamas keeps flashing dead babies around, pretty soon even the leftards are going to become desensitized to it. It's not Israel's fault Hamas doesn't care enough about their children to keep them out of harm's way, and they're on track exploiting it well past the point of diminished returns.

839 ceemack  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 3:47:30pm

re: #489 transient

...but since many other nations have no problem with it, I now think this is a bunch of hooey...


Are you sure?

You've probably never heard that female soldiers causes problems with discipline, morale and unit cohesion. But I've read pieces from recently-retired noncoms that says it's caused tremendous problems within the military, especially on long deployments. In the U.S. military, speaking openly about any such issues is a career-ender. When the news media unwittingly stumble across problems created by the presence of female soldiers, they suppress it. It doesn't fit their women-are-the-same-as-men meme.

So the fact you haven't heard of any morale and discipline issues in the Israeli military due to the presence of female soldiers doesn't necessarily mean they don't exist. Another thing to remember is that the Israeli military occupies a much different place in society than that occupied by the U.S. military. What works there may very well not work here.

I've never served (crappy eyesight when I was young, too old now) but I've got friends who have. If they were still in, I imagine quite a few of them would get out if they had to serve alongside openly gay soldiers.

There's no right to serve in the military. If you volunteer and you're what they need, great. If you're not what they need, the military isn't like Augusta National--you can't force them to take you.

840 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 3:59:49pm

I haven't had the opportunity to red the whole thread yet, so if someone has beat me to it, my apologies... but...

Kill the Wabbit!... Kill the Wabbit! Kill the WAAAHBIT! kill the wabbit!

:)

841 Harlequin  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 4:02:10pm

Well thank god. I think even the EU will admit that the flesh-eating rabbit scourge in Palestine is a major concern.

842 jcbunga  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 4:19:13pm

...she's one frown away from a uni-brow. Stop the madness.

843 offendi  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 4:24:33pm

If the prospective appointment of Leon Panetta to head the CIA is any guide, Israel has until January 20th to conclude a winning campaign in Gaza. Especially considering the failed Clinton Middle East retreads set to take over the "peace" process under Obama. They still laughably think
Abbas is a peacemaker.
Obama's belief in his power of persuasion is going to take a big licking when he starts up with the rug merchants in Teheran. They will talk him under the table and best him at every term. Thanks "Maverick" for screwing this country with your incompetent campaign.

844 PuritanicalRightwingNutjob  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 4:54:51pm

re: #17 MarkX


Elmer Fudd is an Israeli soldier?


Who knew!

He's got a funky-sounding Israeli accent, I must say.

845 serious  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 5:04:21pm

re: #834 Kenneth

You don't have to belong to a legitimate army to commit a war crime or a crime against humanity. Hamas is scum.

I understand what you say and I guess you are right , but precisely because they are just despicable scum that hide behind children it is hard to me to talk about war crimes instead of terrorism , because if you refer to their acts as "war crimes" is something like to refer to them as an army instead of a terrorist group , and that is to give them a "dignifiying" name that they don't deserve . It is something like if the terrorist in Iraq were called "insurgents" or some other name that hides their terrorist nature .
I hope my point is clear , I was not critizicing you .

re: #838 jmaimarc

I'm willing to bend my reality far enough to say that irrespective of the subsequent junta, since they were "elected," that makes them some sort of an official standing army

Yes , as you say hamas were elected , so I guess "oficially" this murderous scum could be refered to as an army .
But you are right too when you say that they act not as an army in any way , in "the field" they are just the same terrorist group with the same terrorist tactics as always .
So I don't deny that you and Kenneth are right if you talk about war crimes , but I feel more confortable talking about terrorism . I hope my explanation to kenneth makes my point of view clear . ( but really my poor english don't help me to make any clear explanation ... sorry ¬¬' )

re: #838 jmaimarc

Israel is playing it very cool. Hamas keeps flashing dead babies around, pretty soon even the leftards are going to become desensitized to it.

But I disagree with that ... the leftards don't worry about dead children , they have no sensibility about dead children , the leftards are the same as the hamas terrorist taking dead babies on parade , they take this dead babies on "parade" too as a political weapon .
They don't worry about the dead children in israel , or in georgia , or in sudan , or in cachemira , or in india , or in ...
They just "worry" about dead children if they could use them as a weapon to attack a country they hate , I mean Israel .


So as long they feel this hate against Israel they will be happy to see dead children that they could use in their fanatic propaganda .
For example , the leftards hates Israel , but they hate even more the USA .The leftards never get tired of using dead children against the USA in iraq ... even if those who kill the children were the terrorist that they call "insurgents" or even "freedom fighters" .
So I agree when you said that Israel is playing cool , but don't expect any change in the leftard comunity ... they are avid of dead children to take them on "parade" .
And if someone get offended by what I said here ... sorry , but I don't believe the hypocritical leftards when they "cry" about dead palestinian children , they just see this dead children as a tool . The same as hamas .

846 majic1  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 5:17:31pm

re: #24 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

KILL DA WABBIT! KILL DA WABBIT!

With my spear and magic helmet!

Spear and magic helmet?

Spear and Magic HELMET!

847 hazzyday  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 5:17:51pm

re: #802 formercorpsman

Well, I can say that I knew quite a few gays in the military, and some were close friends.

Some were jerks, but there were plenty of straight jerks also.

Many of the people who were, seemed to actually prefer the don't ask don't tell scenario. Their private life was private, their work was professional, and I got the impression they did not want any interference with their professionalism being subject to hyperbole.

I think you surmise this issue correctly.

848 lobo91  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 5:44:26pm

re: #839 ceemack

You've probably never heard that female soldiers causes problems with discipline, morale and unit cohesion. But I've read pieces from recently-retired noncoms that says it's caused tremendous problems within the military, especially on long deployments.

Anyone who doesn't understand that issue is too stupid to even discuss something more complicated like gays in the military.

Having spent 29 years in the Army so far (active duty, Reserve, Guard, and currently a Reservist on active duty, so I think I've seen a pretty good cross section), I can tell you unequivocally that the presence of women (particularly young, single women) cause huge problems in military units, even in peacetime. I was fortunate enough to be assigned to a combat arms unit (no women) during the one combat tour I've done so far, so I dodged that bullet, so to speak.

I'll give you a real-life example I learned of last month. My unit trains Guard and Reserve brigade and battalion staffs prior to their deployment overseas. I was talking to the commander of an MP battalion we were training one morning, and mentioned having to go prepare for two Article 15 proceedings. Since I knew that his unit had been at McGregor (read: middle-of-friggin' nowhere, New Mexico) for a good while, I was curious about what the Soldiers involved had done. The story he told me just left me shaking my head in disbelief.

It seems that one of his male Staff Sergeants had been dating a junior enlisted soldier (a Specialist, as I recall) for some time (this was a Guard unit, so most of them were from the same area in NJ). At some point after they got down to NM, he apparently dumped her for yet another junior enlisted Soldier in the unit. The first young woman didn't take it well and became depressed.

Then, the Staff Sergeant and his new girlfriend decided to cash in on some extra benefits, so they snuck out somehow (not sure how, exactly), and went into El Paso and got married.

Then, the newly-married young Soldier announces that she's pregnant.

Guess what happened next?

The dumped former girlfriend becomes catatonic when she hears about all of this, and ends up in the psych ward at Beaumont Medical Center.

So now this poor battalion commander has lost one female Soldier to the looney bin, another one who's being sent back to New Jersey (pregnant females are non-deployable), and has effectively lost a squad leader, because the male Staff Sergeant was busted down to E-4.

849 Palandine  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 6:51:28pm

Saraa is now officially old enough to know better. She will soon be complicit in the evil she films, rather than the abused victim of Hamas.

As for the bunny, that's an awfully nice Gaza hospital he bought it in. Modern. I thought the Norwegian moron from yesterday said Gaza had the worst medical system in the world?

850 lobo91  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 6:55:31pm

re: #849 Palandine

Saraa is now officially old enough to know better. She will soon be complicit in the evil she films, rather than the abused victim of Hamas.

She'll probably be replaced pretty soon, anyway. About time for her to be married off to some 50 year old guy in exchange for a couple of goats.

851 the_flying_pig  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 7:47:41pm

re: #23 Alouette

Who will be the next cute cartoon creature cuddly bloodthirsty mascot?

Khalil the Cockroach
Gamal the Camel
Mustafa the Maggot
Hussein the Housefly
Leilah the Louse
Jamal the Jackal
Hijab the Goat

That's totally hilarious. LMAO.

852 Optimizer  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 9:18:37pm

re: #827 LGoPs

I'm way late to this one and can't read the thread.......
Has anybody asked whether they used the Holy Hand Grenade of Antioch to kill the rabbit?
If not, I'm asking.......

Oddly, the Holy Hand Grenade has only been mentioned previously in #11. Maybe the goings-on have most Lizards in a serious mode.

Personally, I was just going to say that the fearsomeness of the IDF clearly knows no bounds, since their arsenal apparently even includes the Holy Hand Grenade - a weapon that is downright supernatural in nature!

On a more serious note, I don't know why the hell my govt doesn't keep it's big, fat nose out of this thing, and let the Israelis do what they must to establish some reasonable security for once. That's the ONLY way they can ever have a chance at peace in that area. It's a disgrace, and it's only likely to get even worse with BHO.

853 Smilla  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 1:31:15am

We have Peter Rabbit and Bugs Bunny. They have a Giant (pink) Jew-eating Rabbit. They are so sick. That's child abuse.

854 SalsaNChips  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 9:43:35am

Love the way they managed to get an oxygen mask over the rabbits nose.

A relief that the IDF did him in actually – if he had re-appeared on the show with no hands (paws?) I would have SO freaked out.

855 cherryblossoms  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 11:28:38am

Video: Young Muslim Girl

856 cherryblossoms  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 11:29:42am

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