Say No to Juan Cole

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The “Best Middle East or Africa Blog” category in the 2008 Weblog Awards is currently being dominated by execrable terror apologist professor Juan Cole (“Informed Comment”), after he posted a whiny conspiratorial rant about “neocons” (his favorite demon, aka “Jews”) and begged his audience of leftist drones to vote for him.

Here’s the poll. There are several bloggers in the list who deserve the award far more than Cole. You know what to do: Best Middle East or Africa Blog - The 2008 Weblog Awards.

Also see
ABC: Anything But Cole [Martin Kramer’s Sandbox] Michael J. Totten: Stop Juan Cole Operation Cast Lead Wed Jan 7th, 2009 | Israellycool

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915 comments
1 Wyatt Earp  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 1:14:40pm

It's despicable that he was even nominated.

2 Thor-Zone  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 1:15:44pm

Nothing new about leftists trying to hijack an election

3 The Mongoose  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 1:16:10pm

Best bet at the moment (if you just want to defeat Cole) is Israellycool with 25% of the vote to Cole's 33%. Michael Totten is the next best at 19%.

4 Cato the Elder  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 1:16:42pm

Whoops! Should have posted this here:

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

In terms of Pali propaganda, this couldn't be a better example. Juan Cole, the ISM, Adam Shapiro's "brave" wife, Israeli soldiers denounced for "firing on children" (with appropriate Darth-Vaderesque score in the background), and tons of useful idiots weeping over IDF brutality and Israel, the "rogue state".

All packaged for ready consumption and unquestioned by the consumers.

Anybody out there know Korean? I'd love to know what the voice-over is saying...

5 ted  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 1:17:11pm

Done.

6 Nevergiveup  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 1:17:32pm

Shit we talk about The Middle East so much ( and rightfully so ) why aren't we in that category?

7 zombie  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 1:17:41pm

Juan Cole?!?!?!?!?

The man is a lunatic. How can he possibly even be nominated?

I'd rank him among the three worst professors in America, right up there with Leonard Jeffries and Ward Churchill, to name a couple.

8 Lively  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 1:17:42pm

Voted. Thanks for the link.

9 Sheila Broflovski  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 1:18:03pm

The problem is the good guys are split between Israellycool and Michael Totten.

10 Big Steve  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 1:18:21pm

welp......you all have firehosed the weblog awards and I can't get in....damnit!

11 [deleted]  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 1:18:32pm
12 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 1:18:35pm

D.A.R.E. to say no to Juan Cole.

13 Wyatt Earp  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 1:19:06pm

re: #3 The Mongoose

Best bet at the moment (if you just want to defeat Cole) is Israellycool with 25% of the vote to Cole's 33%. Michael Totten is the next best at 19%.

They got my vote - and will continue to do so.

14 Cato the Elder  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 1:19:13pm

To be more explicit (I can sometimes be too obscure for my own good), please check out the link in my #4 here to see what kind of vile propaganda Cole gets up to every single day.

15 invictus1  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 1:19:21pm

re: #2 Thor-Zone

Nothing new about leftists trying to hijack an election

If/when he loses, can he ask for a recount? ;-)

16 zombie  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 1:19:26pm

re: #3 The Mongoose

Best bet at the moment (if you just want to defeat Cole) is Israellycool with 25% of the vote to Cole's 33%. Michael Totten is the next best at 19%.

Yes.

Everyone: Focus your votes on Israellycool and Michael Totten. Nothing is gained by spreading around on the other sites.

17 NervyNews  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 1:19:30pm

GAZA - AP PHOTOSHOP FAKE?

muqata.blogspot.com is imploring readers to examine the following photo for possilbe photoshopping, fautography...

The Photo in question:
Image: gaza-bomb-cp-6039006.jpg

18 Nevergiveup  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 1:19:36pm

re: #9 Alouette

The problem is the good guys are split between Israellycool and Michael Totten.

Ain't it always so?

19 [deleted]  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 1:20:18pm
20 lawhawk  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 1:20:27pm

re: #6 Nevergiveup

Shit we talk about The Middle East so much ( and rightfully so ) why aren't we in that category?

Only one category per blog... so, some bloggers are in categories that you wouldn't normally expect...

21 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 1:20:46pm

re: #16 zombie

Yes.

Everyone: Focus your votes on Israellycool and Michael Totten. Nothing is gained by spreading around on the other sites.

I voted for Israellycool since:
1. I like his blog, and
2. He has the best chance of beating Juan Cole.

22 Peacekeeper  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 1:20:55pm

re: #7 zombie

Juan Cole?!?!?!?!?

The man is a lunatic. How can he possibly even be nominated?

I'd rank him among the three worst professors in America, right up there with Leonard Jeffries and Ward Churchill, to name a couple.

Thy're a couple? I hope they find happiness.

23 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 1:20:56pm

re: #4 Cato the Elder

I'm surprised the soldiers didn't arrest her or give her a good spray of mace. Also, the video is edited to make it appear that she stops him from firing. He shoots at least one over her head and he gets a couple shots into the mob to his left.

24 CIA Reject  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 1:20:58pm

Sheesh! I wish I'd known about that guy's website back when I was trying to teach Little Reject how to recognize propaganda...

25 yochanan  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 1:21:02pm

re: #9 Alouette

The problem is the good guys are split between Israellycool and Michael Totten.

as well as elder of zion

26 zombie  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 1:21:23pm

re: #21 Honorary Yooper

I voted for Israellycool since:
1. I like his blog, and
2. He has the best chance of beating Juan Cole.

That's what I did as well.

27 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 1:21:32pm

re: #17 GNIDAthe#seCond

GAZA - AP PHOTOSHOP FAKE?

muqata.blogspot.com is imploring readers to examine the following photo for possilbe photoshopping, fautography...

The Photo in question:
[Link: www.cbc.ca...]

Is that an American Flag at the very top of the smoke plume?

28 [deleted]  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 1:21:50pm
29 Peacekeeper  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 1:21:57pm

re: #16 zombie

Yes.

Everyone: Focus your votes on Israellycool and Michael Totten. Nothing is gained by spreading around on the other sites.

U R Bossy

30 The Mongoose  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 1:22:09pm

re: #16 zombie

Yes.

Everyone: Focus your votes on Israellycool and Michael Totten. Nothing is gained by spreading around on the other sites.

Exactly. I will post updates as best I can, looks like Totten has some momentum so he may become the horse to back. Either way, vote splitting is Cole's friend.

31 Nevergiveup  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 1:22:15pm

re: #20 lawhawk

Only one category per blog... so, some bloggers are in categories that you wouldn't normally expect...

Actually i was joking but I guess it is kinda like the Oscars. Why some people are in best Actor/Actress and some are in supporting is always funny.

32 baconeatingkaffir  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 1:22:30pm

Juan Cole? That name sounds like one of the african 419 scam artists I've been baiting.

33 LGoPs  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 1:22:40pm

Somebody tell Al Gore that Cole is bad for the environment and maybe he'll be disappeared.....
/

34 lawhawk  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 1:22:55pm

I face a similar situation in the Best Small Blog category, and some site calling itself Rumproast is running away with things.

If you're going to vote there, Nice Deb or Chatting in the Sky are fine... I know I can't possibly catch up to those three leading vote getters; and there's something just a little odd about how rumproast is running away with things...

35 NervyNews  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 1:24:18pm

re: #17 GNIDAthe#seCond
[Link: muqata.blogspot.com...] - see updates for latest developments. From The Muqata:

Israeli Bloggers question authenticity of AP photograph from "Gaza" -- many believe it is photoshopped or even not from Gaza at all!

The AP Comment for the picture states: "An explosion after an Israeli strike in Beit Lahiya in the northern Gaza Strip on Saturday, as seen from Gaza City. (Adel Hana/Associated Press)"

The following is noted.

1. We don't know of mountains near Gaza like those in the background.
2. The debris "flying" away from the explosion appears to be "photoshopped" in.
3. Israeli bloggers are now trying to determine where this photo is really from in the first place

(source from rotter, Israeli bloggers)

36 [deleted]  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 1:24:22pm
37 NY Nana  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 1:25:11pm

re: #34 lawhawk

Done. Good luck! The power of the Lizard Army is excellent, as is your blog.

38 jorline  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 1:25:17pm

done

39 Kragar  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 1:25:17pm

From Muqata; I knew this would creep in sooner or later.

7:45 PM Foreign sources are saying that the US has supplied the Israel Air Force with many new types of ammunition to test them out in Gaza.

40 [deleted]  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 1:26:35pm
41 albusteve  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 1:26:35pm

re: #39 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

From Muqata; I knew this would creep in sooner or later.

why that's never been done in all the history of warfare...splendid idea!

42 lawhawk  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 1:26:35pm

In fact, Nice Deb reports that Wonkette is pushing traffic to beat PUMA and conservative bloggers in the contests.

43 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 1:26:42pm

This is odd.....
UN: Israel admits rocket fire was not from within school

Israel told foreign diplomats Wednesday that Palestinian militants had not fired rockets from within a United Nations' school, a UN official said. Israeli military officials said on Tuesday that militants had fired rockets from within the school, and that attack provoked Israeli artillery fire which landed near the school and killed more than 40 Palestinians in the Jabalia refugee camp, many of whom were seeking refuge from fighting.

"The Israeli army is briefing diplomats privately that the militant fire from Jablia yesterday did not come from inside the UNRWA school compound, but from the outside," said Chris Gunness, a spokesman for the UN Relief Works Agency, which aids Palestinian refugees.

Gunness said the claim was a "major allegation against a neutral UN development agency" which "within a day turns out to be completely baseless."

UNRWA's Gaza director, John Ging, had said earlier that to the best of his knowledge no rockets were fired from within the school.

An Israeli military spokesman declined comment.

How do we tell who paid for this press release? Is it really from the UN?

44 VioletTiger  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 1:26:51pm

That was easy. Next?

45 Nevergiveup  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 1:27:14pm

re: #39 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

From Muqata; I knew this would creep in sooner or later.

Sounds like a good idea to me.

46 [deleted]  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 1:27:49pm
47 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 1:27:59pm

re: #43 Killgore Trout

I call bullshit. There's no source.

48 Thor-Zone  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 1:28:04pm

re: #19 taxfreekiller

Any thing is possible, Obama will be Pres. Jan. 20.

If Al Gore does not over heat us first.


As cold as it has been here lately, I am clearly "Another Alaskan In Favor Of Global Warming"

/channeling recently viewed bumber sticker in Talkeetna

49 Guanxi88  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 1:28:06pm

re: #39 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

From Muqata; I knew this would creep in sooner or later.

Wait a minute - I thought it was the Zionists who were the puppet-masters, and the military-industrial complex who were the dupes. Since when is it the other way around?

Does this mean my Zionist World Conspiracy dividend checks aren't gonna come any more?

50 Ben Hur  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 1:28:11pm

Jumping Jacks Fail

US Training, Supporting, Funding FAIL.

This is also who we are fighting against.

51 [deleted]  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 1:28:11pm
52 yma o hyd  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 1:28:15pm

Sorry to go OT, but I have to re-post this:

If this has been posted already, forgive me!

If not - please do have a look at Your text to link...

There is a photo from AP which is, according to Israelis, not from Gaza, an looks photo-shopped.

I've contacted Charles - there is a direct request for Lizards to get their teeth into this!

53 WitchDoctor  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 1:28:18pm

Re: #39
I saw that and thought it was odd, why would we need to give Israel stuff to test out when we are running two campaigns already? Plausible deniability is
the only thing I can think of, but we would be blamed anyway...

54 Summersong  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 1:28:34pm

Done, with pleasure.

55 Soona'  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 1:28:38pm

re: #39 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

From Muqata; I knew this would creep in sooner or later.

All I have to say about that is: Cool!

56 albusteve  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 1:28:52pm

re: #45 Nevergiveup

Sounds like a good idea to me.

so now for whatever else the palis are they are Guinea pigs?...what a world

57 ice-9  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 1:29:10pm

"and begged his audience of leftist drones to vote for him."

Typical leftie. No shame at all.

58 Kragar  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 1:29:12pm

re: #45 Nevergiveup

Sounds like a good idea to me.

They did the same thing in the Lebanon war. They accused Israel of using munitions which would cause cancer or with effects which violated the Geneva Convention. All of it turned out to be bullshit then too.

59 Guanxi88  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 1:29:14pm

re: #43 Killgore Trout

This is odd.....
UN: Israel admits rocket fire was not from within school

How do we tell who paid for this press release? Is it really from the UN?

"earthtimes"? doesn't pass the sniff test.

60 Hard Right  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 1:29:15pm

re: #43 Killgore Trout

This is odd.....
UN: Israel admits rocket fire was not from within school


How do we tell who paid for this press release? Is it really from the UN?

Earthtimes is the site that was on? Hmmmm.

61 The Mongoose  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 1:29:20pm

Instant effect. Cole now at 31.7%, Israellycool 24.8%, Totten 21.7%. Totten is gaining primarily because of the appeal on his own website, I suspect, with LGF votes going to him and Israellycool.

62 Ben Hur  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 1:29:21pm

ISRAELLYCOOL!

63 freedombilly  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 1:29:26pm

re: #39 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

From Muqata; I knew this would creep in sooner or later.

Makes sense. Gaza is nothing more than a Zionist proving ground after all!

/

64 TheBull271  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 1:29:26pm

Looks like the Lizard army is workin hard.. Their websites hamsters are going really sllow

65 Hard Right  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 1:29:42pm

re: #46 buzzsawmonkey

The fact that Israeli rounds go where they're aimed has to be the result of nefarious new technology rather than training.

Nope. Act of God. heh.

66 Peacekeeper  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 1:30:11pm

Latest film from Gaza.

67 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 1:30:12pm

re: #51 taxfreekiller

not within the school

that means the roof or from the windows or play ground, or front steps

or the tunnel underneath

68 [deleted]  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 1:30:14pm
69 Charles Johnson  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 1:30:20pm

re: #17 GNIDAthe#seCond

GAZA - AP PHOTOSHOP FAKE?

muqata.blogspot.com is imploring readers to examine the following photo for possilbe photoshopping, fautography...

The Photo in question:
[Link: www.cbc.ca...]

Maybe ... but that looks like an extreme telephoto lens setting, which could "shorten" the background radically. Those hills in the background could appear larger and closer than they are.

The debris looks a little suspicious, but it could be large pieces of a structure; that looks like a helluva big explosion.

I don't really see anything obviously faked.

70 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 1:30:26pm

re: #59 Guanxi88

They issue paid press releases. CAIR uses them all the time.

71 Nevergiveup  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 1:30:38pm

re: #56 albusteve

so now for whatever else the palis are they are Guinea pigs?...what a world

Well they keep bitching that jobs are hard to come by.

72 albusteve  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 1:30:39pm

re: #53 WitchDoctor

Re: #39
I saw that and thought it was odd, why would we need to give Israel stuff to test out when we are running two campaigns already? Plausible deniability is
the only thing I can think of, but we would be blamed anyway...

it's part of the R&D process...nothing wrong with it

73 yma o hyd  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 1:30:41pm

re: #9 Alouette

The problem is the good guys are split between Israellycool and Michael Totten.

It is a problem - ordinarily I'd have gone for Michael Totten, full blast.
But since the start of the war in Gaza, I've been to Israellycool's blog incessantly, and because of the war he's getting my vote.

74 Silhouette  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 1:31:03pm

re: #44 VioletTiger

That was easy. Next?

Cake Wrecks under Best Food category.

I can't read that site without laughing til I cry.

75 Desert Dog  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 1:31:09pm

re: #39 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

From Muqata; I knew this would creep in sooner or later.

Let me know when they drop the gay bomb, I will want to see that spectacle.

76 Summersong  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 1:31:22pm

"your text to link"

I was sort of hoping the typo, "lonk" would catch on...

77 Nevergiveup  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 1:31:41pm

re: #75 Desert Dog

Let me know when they drop the gay bomb, I will want to see that spectacle.

Would that effect goats?

78 Charles Johnson  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 1:31:51pm

re: #43 Killgore Trout

This is odd.....
UN: Israel admits rocket fire was not from within school

How do we tell who paid for this press release? Is it really from the UN?

Author is DPA, a German news service I believe.

79 Hard Right  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 1:31:59pm

re: #75 Desert Dog

Let me know when they drop the gay bomb, I will want to see that spectacle.

I'm not worried about that. It's when they later drop the nude bomb that I will be worried.

80 Ringo the Gringo  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 1:32:07pm

Juan Cole is a terror apologist, and a bug-eyed twit to boot.

Isreallycool!

81 [deleted]  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 1:32:11pm
82 Guanxi88  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 1:32:42pm

re: #70 Killgore Trout

They issue paid press releases. CAIR uses them all the time.

Good, saves me having to wade through Deutsche Presse-Agentur nonsense. As I said "earthtimes".

Any source or group with "earth", peace, people's, etc., in the name may, in general, be dismissed outright, and many should probably be critiqued and corrected with bulldozers.

83 Occasional Reader  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 1:32:42pm

I can't open the fookin' page. I'm planning on voting for Isreallycool, once from here, once from Chicago, and once as "Mickey Mouse" from Minnesota.

84 zombie  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 1:32:57pm

re: #43 Killgore Trout

This is odd.....
UN: Israel admits rocket fire was not from within school

How do we tell who paid for this press release? Is it really from the UN?

Very bizarre. 48-hour rule on that one. There's so much disinformation flying around, I don't trust anyone any more.

85 jwb7605  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 1:33:06pm

re: #7 zombie

Juan Cole?!?!?!?!?

The man is a lunatic. How can he possibly even be nominated?

I'd rank him among the three worst professors in America, right up there with Leonard Jeffries and Ward Churchill, to name a couple.

Ward Churchill is no longer a perfesser, I'm glad to say.

Your first sentence leaped into my addled brain as

The man is a lunatic. How can he possibly even be
(a) nominated
(b) elected
(c) noticed
(d) all the above
86 CyanSnowHawk  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 1:33:32pm

re: #6 Nevergiveup

Shit we talk about The Middle East so much ( and rightfully so ) why aren't we in that category?

We water it down with all that ID/creationist stuff.
/

87 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 1:33:34pm

re: #68 buzzsawmonkey

This article was published about 15 minutes before the press release.....
UNRWA '99.9% certain' gunmen didn't fire from shelled school

"We are 99.9 percent certain that there were no militants or militant activity in the school or in the school compound," said Christopher Gunness, spokesman of the UN Relief and Works Agency, following a preliminary investigation conducted by the international relief organization.
...
IDF officials maintained Wednesday that a number of mortar shells were fired at IDF units "from within the Jabalya school. In response to the incoming enemy fire, the forces returned mortar fire to the source."

An IDF statement said that two Hamas operatives, Imad Abu Ashkar and Hassan Abu Ashkar, were among the bodies found at the school. A spokeswoman decline to explain, however, how the operatives were identified.

She said that the IDF did not have any video of this particular incident.


I suspect the press release might be really from the UN and they are lying about the private statements from Israeli officials.

88 Ben Hur  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 1:33:59pm

re: #84 zombie

Trust Israel.

The only ones answerable to a free press, judicial system and the people.

89 doppelganglander  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 1:34:01pm

re: #43 Killgore Trout

This is odd.....
UN: Israel admits rocket fire was not from within school

How do we tell who paid for this press release? Is it really from the UN?

Inside, outside, does it really make a difference?

90 jwb7605  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 1:34:13pm

re: #69 Charles

Maybe ... but that looks like an extreme telephoto lens setting, which could "shorten" the background radically. Those hills in the background could appear larger and closer than they are.

The debris looks a little suspicious, but it could be large pieces of a structure; that looks like a helluva big explosion.

I don't really see anything obviously faked.

but it's a bit suspicious in the aggregate, isn't it?

91 bosforus  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 1:34:13pm

re: #17 GNIDAthe#seCond

GAZA - AP PHOTOSHOP FAKE?

muqata.blogspot.com is imploring readers to examine the following photo for possilbe photoshopping, fautography...

The Photo in question:
[Link: www.cbc.ca...]

Whatever that shrapnel is flying through the air - it's huge!

92 DeafDog  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 1:34:25pm

Can I nominate Iowahowk for the best Mid-west blog?

93 Thor-Zone  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 1:35:11pm

re: #84 zombie

Very bizarre. 48-hour rule on that one. There's so much disinformation flying around, I don't trust anyone any more.

I'm with you on that one Zombie....To me this Gaza thing is beginning to feel a lot like Lebonon of 2006. I'm just waiting on the Green Helmet guy to show up.

94 WriterMom  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 1:35:26pm

re: #66 Peacekeeper

Oy.

95 opnion  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 1:35:36pm

Roland Burris headed back to Illinois to appear before the impeachment panel.
Chicago radio is reporting that they want to ask him if he paid for the appointment. Seriously.

96 Hard Right  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 1:35:39pm

re: #94 WriterMom

Oy.


Vey

97 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 1:35:41pm

re: #78 Charles

There's also the UN's Department of Political Affairs

98 Guanxi88  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 1:35:51pm

re: #93 Thor-Zone

I'm with you on that one Zombie....To me this Gaza thing is beginning to feel a lot like Lebonon of 2006. I'm just waiting on the Green Helmet guy to show up.

You can wait all you want - he won't show up. Got a gig at CNN and NPR

99 formercorpsman  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 1:35:54pm

re: #87 Killgore Trout

Very interesting KT.

It looks like you might be nailing them right now.

100 yma o hyd  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 1:36:05pm

re: #69 Charles

It could be. But that looks like an extreme telephoto lens setting, which could "shorten" the background radically. Those hills in the background could appear larger and closer than they are.

The debris looks a little suspicious, but it could be large pieces of a structure; that looks like a helluva big explosion.

I don't really see anything obviously faked.

Israelis who have apparently blogged about this photo say there are no mountains in that area.
(I'm repeating what is said on The Muqata's blog).

101 karmic_inquisitor  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 1:36:38pm

Well if he wins then the Award itself becomes a black mark - like the Nobel peace prize.

102 albusteve  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 1:36:45pm

re: #90 jwb7605

but it's a bit suspicious in the aggregate, isn't it?

I think that's the point...what the hell is the difference

103 WriterMom  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 1:36:46pm

re: #69 Charles

I was going to ask-and maybe people more familiar with explosives could answer...why is there a gap between the ground and the smoke-a clear gap where there is no smoke at all?

104 Silhouette  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 1:37:01pm

re: #95 opnion

Roland Burris headed back to Illinois to appear before the impeachment panel.
Chicago radio is reporting that they want to ask him if he paid for the appointment. Seriously.

It's a valid question.

And it puts him on record saying yay or nay. And if it is found that he did pay for it in some way, does lying to the panel constitute perjury?

105 Ben Hur  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 1:37:08pm

re: #87 Killgore Trout


I told Kenneth (who posted that earlier this am) that I saw ANOTHER UNWRA spokesman this morning (unfortunately saw Dem Now! on TV) saying the exact same thing word for word. INcluding the 99.99% BS.

Obviously they're sending out talking points to all their activists.

THey openly and un-apologetically have Hamas, etc, terrorists on their payroll.

They are actively participating in Hamas' war against Jews.

106 Nevergiveup  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 1:37:41pm

re: #104 Silhouette

It's a valid question.

And it puts him on record saying yay or nay. And if it is found that he did pay for it in some way, does lying to the panel constitute perjury?

Will he be under oath?

107 Occasional Reader  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 1:37:41pm

Gah. I'll have to try later from home, without the IE7 suckitude. Can't get the thing to fully load.

108 Ben Hur  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 1:37:46pm

The brave UN that abandoned Iraq and Iraqis after one bomb.

109 jcm  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 1:38:05pm

re: #43 Killgore Trout

Who is Earthtimes?
No attributions, other than Israel, or Israeli diplomats.

aboutus.org on Earth times....

Contact
Whois information is public, but in response to some people wanting to keep their contact information private, many domain name
Registrars offer a "privacy" or "proxy" service to mask the domain name owner. This domain is most likely using a proxy service.

110 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 1:38:13pm

re: #43 Killgore Trout

This is odd.....
UN: Israel admits rocket fire was not from within school

How do we tell who paid for this press release? Is it really from the UN?

Especially since the IDF said MORTARS were fired from the school. (And stiill says so, from what I can tell)
Some idiot at the UN asked the IDF "Were rockets fired from the school", was told "No" and put out this press release.

111 Ojoe  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 1:38:29pm

Here's the chilly view of Old Faithful Geyser. Next eruption predicted in about an hour.

Oh - and Mr. Cole: No whining, whiners should be thrown overboard; perhaps keelhauled.

112 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 1:38:31pm

If you google DPA
the 6th result goes to the UN's Palestine page

113 [deleted]  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 1:38:33pm
114 bosforus  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 1:38:39pm

re: #91 bosforus

Whatever that shrapnel is flying through the air - it's huge!

Seriously, that shrapnel looks suspicious. Granted, it's a big explosion, but compared to the buildings next to it that shrapnel looks to be about 2 stories in height. If the target was a building, I would think the concrete would be blown to smithereens and not projected in giant chunks. Just my first thoughts.

115 albusteve  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 1:38:54pm

re: #108 Ben Hur

The brave UN that abandoned Iraq and Iraqis after one bomb.

the UN is a veritable death machine

116 Silhouette  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 1:39:06pm

re: #106 Nevergiveup

Will he be under oath?

Good question. Probably related to how much authority the panel has.

I don't know.

117 zombie  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 1:39:34pm

re: #69 Charles

It could be. But that looks like an extreme telephoto lens setting, which could "shorten" the background radically. Those hills in the background could appear larger and closer than they are.

The debris looks a little suspicious, but it could be large pieces of a structure; that looks like a helluva big explosion.

I don't really see anything obviously faked.

re: #103 WriterMom

I was going to ask-and maybe people more familiar with explosives could answer...why is there a gap between the ground and the smoke-a clear gap where there is no smoke at all?

One detail I might point out:

While I agree it doesn't look too faked, one thing that bothers me is that the mushroom cloud shape had time to form, while the debris is still mid-flight. It would seem rather that the debris should have already finished its trajectory before the mushroom could take shape, which takes a few seconds. Though, it's still not entirely definitive.

And even if it was fake, what does it prove?

118 Nevergiveup  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 1:39:37pm

re: #108 Ben Hur

The brave UN that abandoned Iraq and Iraqis after one bomb.

Yeah, that was another high point in UN history? You even wonder why the UN was bombed since they were complicit with Saddam in scamming all that money?

119 Guanxi88  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 1:39:43pm

re: #114 bosforus

Seriously, that shrapnel looks suspicious. Granted, it's a big explosion, but compared to the buildings next to it that shrapnel looks to be about 2 stories in height. If the target was a building, I would think the concrete would be blown to smithereens and not projected in giant chunks. Just my first thoughts.

About the concrete - I gotta disagree - no less an authority than Alex Jones says that concrete doesn't disintegrate except from placed demolition charges.

120 WriterMom  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 1:39:47pm

re: #100 yma o hyd

That is true. It's flat desert, until you get to the Sinai. Those mountains look like the Judean Hills actually, seriously...the region of Beersheva and Eilat and Gaza does not look like that!

121 Ojoe  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 1:40:25pm

re: #114 bosforus

Rebar will hold together large chunks of concrete.

Ojoe, architect.

122 Shr_Nfr  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 1:40:27pm

re: #43 Killgore Trout

Of course they didn't fire them from inside the school. The damn ceiling is in the way. They fired them from right outside the school per the IDF video from 2007. You do not fire mortars from within buildings if they still have a ceiling. If the ceiling is gone, the remaining wall(s) may shield you a tad against rifle fire, but that's all.

123 S'latch  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 1:40:33pm

Juan Cole does not appear on the list at this time.

I saw him listed, checked the results, went back to vote, but then his name was gone.

124 Ben Hur  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 1:40:39pm

They're pulling a Clinton.

Were you alone with Monica?

Well, no, there were other people.....in the building.

Suddenly, you have to be exact.

"Inside" means from within the building.

To us, "from the school" means anywhere on or within the immeadiate proximity of the school - close enough that the chances of the return fire hitting it would be high.

Think, drug-free school zone.

125 albusteve  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 1:40:46pm

re: #113 buzzsawmonkey

To my mind, the notion that there has to be video evidence for everything an army does in the middle of a shooting war is ridiculous. This is a standard that is only imposed by people who believe that there is no possible justification for the armed action in the first place, and that the military therefore must prove itself innocent of war crimes allegations for everything it does.

No military on earth could meet this standard, which is of course the point; the objective is to find Israel "guilty of war crimes" for anything for which it does not possess incontrovertibly exonerating evidence, while continuing to ignore the ongoing war crimes of the Hamas regime.

well said...it is splitting hairs as intriguing as it is

126 The Mongoose  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 1:41:12pm

re: #117 zombie

One detail I might point out:

While I agree it doesn't look too faked, one thing that bothers me is that the mushroom cloud shape had time to form, while the debris is still mid-flight. It would seem rather that the debris should have already finished its trajectory before the mushroom could take shape, which takes a few seconds. Though, it's still not entirely definitive.

My thoughts also. I'll get a video of a cloud like that forming and time it.

127 opnion  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 1:41:13pm

re: #104 Silhouette

It's a valid question.

And it puts him on record saying yay or nay. And if it is found that he did pay for it in some way, does lying to the panel constitute perjury?

I am fairly sure that he will be under oath, so if that is the case it would be perjured testimony.
Burris is a partner in a "Consulting " firm that has contributed to Blago, but that really isn't relevant since they all contrbute all over the place.

128 invictus1  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 1:41:19pm

re: #87 Killgore Trout

Was there not a video posted on here yesterday of rockets being fired from the school? An old one, but nonetheless?

129 jcm  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 1:41:20pm

Funny Business in Minnesota

Under Minnesota law, election officials are required to make a duplicate ballot if the original is damaged during Election Night counting. Officials are supposed to mark these as "duplicate" and segregate the original ballots. But it appears some officials may have failed to mark ballots as duplicates, which are now being counted in addition to the originals. This helps explain why more than 25 precincts now have more ballots than voters who signed in to vote.
130 Charles Johnson  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 1:41:39pm

re: #97 Killgore Trout

There's also the UN's Department of Political Affairs

Yeah, that's more likely. Yesterday the AP reported this.

Two residents of the area who spoke by telephone said they saw a small group of militants firing mortar rounds from a street near the school, where 350 people had gathered to get away from the shelling. They spoke on condition of anonymity for fear of reprisal.

They may have been setting up the claim that the terrorists were in a street near the school but not the school itself.

131 WriterMom  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 1:41:53pm

re: #117 zombie

zombie, I don't know what it proves except again they are liards.

Look at the Judean hills Image: Normal1057.jpg

These are the West Bank demonstrations in Bilin Image: palestine-ors-185.JPG

132 Ben Hur  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 1:41:58pm

re: #118 Nevergiveup

Yeah, that was another high point in UN history? You even wonder why the UN was bombed since they were complicit with Saddam in scamming all that money?

Cover.

They needed a mistake to get everything out of there before the US intellegence gathered evidence.

133 Shr_Nfr  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 1:42:11pm

re: #79 Hard Right

Please, please, not in Washington DC! The result of that with Pelosi, Frank, Reid, Byrd and Kennedy would be a weapon of mass destruction.

134 Occasional Reader  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 1:42:25pm

re: #117 zombie

While I agree it doesn't look too faked, one thing that bothers me is that the mushroom cloud shape had time to form, while the debris is still mid-flight

Very good point.

135 bosforus  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 1:42:30pm

re: #121 Ojoe

Rebar will hold together large chunks of concrete.

Ojoe, architect.

Rebar! I knew there was something not sitting right about my conclusion. Yep, that would do it.

136 Ojoe  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 1:42:32pm

re: #91 bosforus

Just looked at the photo & I think the fragments could be rusted corrugated iron, they are bent; they don't look like concrete to me.

137 Ben Hur  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 1:42:42pm

re: #132 Ben Hur

Cover.

They needed an excuse mistake to get everything out of there before the US intellegence gathered evidence.

More good.

138 WriterMom  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 1:43:15pm

The other mountains in Israel are of course up north...like around Nazareth and the Galilee

Image: Nazareth01_gr.jpg

139 S'latch  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 1:43:16pm

re: #123 Lawrence Schmerel

Oh, it is Informed Comment. Never mind.

140 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 1:43:21pm

re: #117 zombie

What is the description of what we are looking at in that photo? That information would help.

141 yochanan  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 1:43:43pm

Image: n819095098_5312034_6487.jpg

this is taken from navey daneal were my grand daughter lives the smoke is from gaza

142 israellycool  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 1:43:44pm

Thanks for the post, Charles, and thanks for the support lizards!

I think Michael and I are disadvantaged in a sense since we are splitting the vote. And let's not forget Elder of Ziyon and Martin. I'm just honored to be in the same category as those guys.

Of course, I would like to win this thing, but if Michael takes it, he will be a deserving winner.

Please don't let Cole win this!

143 Lynn B.  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 1:43:50pm

re: #28 buzzsawmonkey

You're giving short shrift to Noam Chomsky, Kevin MacDonald, Rashid Khalidi, and Cornel West, but I forgive you.

Not to mention Norman Finkelstein and Nadia Abu El Haj.

144 Ojoe  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 1:44:01pm

BBL

145 Charles Johnson  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 1:44:13pm

Secondary explosions inside the building could also have driven large pieces into the air.

146 greenmiler  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 1:44:15pm

got Totten vote in(damn slow ass site)..

147 Silhouette  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 1:44:19pm

re: #130 Charles

Two residents of the area who spoke by telephone said they saw a small group of militants firing mortar rounds from a street near the school, where 350 people had gathered to get away from the shelling. They spoke on condition of anonymity for fear of reprisal.

That also implies that the terrorists went to the location of the crowd and fired.

148 [deleted]  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 1:44:29pm
149 Guanxi88  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 1:44:39pm

re: #136 Ojoe

Just looked at the photo & I think the fragments could be rusted corrugated iron, they are bent; they don't look like concrete to me.

Nope, those are the glide-wings off the latest zionist genocide weapon. See, they detach as the warhead free-falls into the orphanage, and autonomously steer to strike the nearest widow.

150 WriterMom  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 1:44:40pm

re: #69 Charles

Charles, if you look on top of the hills in the background, I am sure that those are West Bank settlements in the Judean Hills.

151 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 1:44:59pm

re: #113 buzzsawmonkey

I was really hoping that one we be caught on tape.

152 karmic_inquisitor  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 1:45:06pm

OT: Stunning phone call transcripts of calls between Mumbai terrorists and their handlers.

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

"Keep your phone switched on," a handler said in the midst of the siege, "so that we can hear the gunfire."

The ruthless exchange comes from a transcript of phone calls Indian authorities say they intercepted during terror attacks. They were part of a dossier of evidence New Delhi handed Pakistan this week that it says definitively proves that the siege was launched from across the border.

"We have three foreigners, including women," one gunman said into the phone.

The response was brutally simple: "Kill them." Gunshots then rang out inside the Mumbai hotel, followed by cheering that could be heard over the phone.

153 doppelganglander  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 1:45:30pm

re: #82 Guanxi88

Good, saves me having to wade through Deutsche Presse-Agentur nonsense. As I said "earthtimes".

Any source or group with "earth", peace, people's, etc., in the name may, in general, be dismissed outright, and many should probably be critiqued and corrected with bulldozers.

That's an excellent corollary to the old rule that a country with Democratic Republic in its name is probably neither.

154 [deleted]  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 1:45:53pm
155 Occasional Reader  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 1:45:58pm

re: #149 Guanxi88

Nope, those are the glide-wings off the latest zionist genocide weapon. See, they detach as the warhead free-falls into the orphanage, and autonomously steer to strike the nearest widow.

Don't forget the baby-formula-poisoning bomblets.

156 maddogg  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 1:46:01pm

I can't get it to come up. It it an IE bug?

157 Guanxi88  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 1:46:25pm

re: #155 Occasional Reader

Don't forget the baby-formula-poisoning bomblets.

That's on the Mark II version, still in testing.

158 WriterMom  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 1:46:39pm

re: #155 Occasional Reader

And the penis-shrinkers.

159 CyanSnowHawk  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 1:46:48pm

re: #69 Charles

It could be. But that looks like an extreme telephoto lens setting, which could "shorten" the background radically. Those hills in the background could appear larger and closer than they are.

The debris looks a little suspicious, but it could be large pieces of a structure; that looks like a helluva big explosion.

I don't really see anything obviously faked.

OMG, that's Hedora!

160 Ben Hur  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 1:46:59pm

I agree with Writer MILF.

Doesn't look Gaza-ish to Hur.

161 Thor-Zone  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 1:47:03pm

re: #145 Charles

Secondary explosions inside the building could also have driven large pieces into the air.

Good call Charles....That could explain why the smoke cloud is so large and the "chunks" are still in the general area of the explosion(s).

162 Ben Hur  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 1:47:12pm

Did I just write that?!?

163 WriterMom  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 1:47:21pm

re: #160 Ben Hur

BENHUR! LOL.

Doesn't it look like this: Image: 18182.jpg

164 greenmiler  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 1:47:29pm

The youtube video shows them shooting mortars withen feet of the building!


Youtube Video
165 [deleted]  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 1:47:30pm
166 Occasional Reader  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 1:47:51pm

re: #152 karmic_inquisitor

OT: Stunning phone call transcripts of calls between Mumbai terrorists and their handlers.

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

I mentioned this before; a liberal family member over the holidays made a passing reference to "those hotel fires" in Mumbai.

Inability to look evil in the eye = Liberal value

167 yma o hyd  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 1:48:00pm

re: #117 zombie

It proves another AP shilling, perhaps?

Tjhis is the quote from the Muqata:
'The AP Comment for the picture states: "An explosion after an Israeli strike in Beit Lahiya in the northern Gaza Strip on Saturday, as seen from Gaza City.(Adel Hana/Associated Press)"

SOURCE FROM HERE -- SEE IT FOR YOURSELF)

The following is noted.

1. We don't know of mountains near Gaza like those in the background.
2. The debris "flying" away from the explosion appears to be "photoshopped" in.
3. Israeli bloggers are now trying to determine where this photo is really from in the first place.

Ongoing investigation - we will keep you posted. (source from rotter, Israeli bloggers)

168 Ben Hur  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 1:48:06pm

Then again, I haven't been there since my last Pali Child hunt.

169 maddogg  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 1:48:28pm

Muslim male enhancement product.

170 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 1:48:33pm

re: #130 Charles

They may have been setting up the claim that the terrorists were in a street near the school but not the school itself.


That's possible. It's also possible that the secondary explosions were caused by the Israelis hitting their small stash of mortars.

171 The Mongoose  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 1:48:33pm

For those seeking only to defeat Cole, Michael Totten is now the leading opposition.

Cole: 29.8%
Totten: 25.0%
Israellycool: 24.3%

172 WriterMom  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 1:48:44pm

This is what the Gaza strip looks like: flat, sandy desert.

Image: netzarim_greenhouses.jpg

173 Age Of Freedom  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 1:49:08pm

re: #17 GNIDAthe#seCond

GAZA - AP PHOTOSHOP FAKE?

muqata.blogspot.com is imploring readers to examine the following photo for possilbe photoshopping, fautography...

The Photo in question:
[Link: www.cbc.ca...]

I can almost certainly say that this picture is fake. However, I'm not sure what's the purpose of it though, because Israel does pummel Hamas with half a ton + bombs. But this isn't the terrain of Gaza.

174 WriterMom  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 1:49:14pm

re: #168 Ben Hur

I haven't been there since I needed gentile blood for Matza, but STILL...

175 Guanxi88  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 1:49:27pm

re: #168 Ben Hur

Then again, I haven't been there since my last Pali Child hunt.

Shirking your duties, eh? What kind of genocidal monster are you? Turn in your decoder ring immediately.

176 Hard Right  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 1:49:27pm

re: #110 Kosh's Shadow

Especially since the IDF said MORTARS were fired from the school. (And stiill says so, from what I can tell)
Some idiot at the UN asked the IDF "Were rockets fired from the school", was told "No" and put out this press release.

For F*cks sake...

177 bosforus  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 1:49:45pm

I just turned the photo upside down. It's Sideshow Bob with a Unix beard.

178 Guanxi88  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 1:50:08pm

re: #174 WriterMom

I haven't been there since I needed gentile blood for Matza, but STILL...

Us, we always just ordered from the bakery. Not as nice as homemade, but a lot less clean-up.

179 Ben Hur  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 1:50:47pm

Going out on a limb.

It's actually a photograph of the moment when FATAH headquarters was blown up from an underground tunnel that took Hamas months to dig and was set off during their coup.

So sayeth Hur.

180 Occasional Reader  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 1:50:52pm

re: #160 Ben Hur

I agree with Writer MILF.

Doesn't look Gaza-ish to Hur.

Is referring to yourself in the third person one of your New Year's Resolutions?

181 Just Another Four-letter Word  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 1:50:59pm

Server timeout. Did we break da widdle website?!?
JAFLW

182 WriterMom  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 1:51:09pm

re: #178 Guanxi88

Less transfat, too.

183 Ben Hur  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 1:51:29pm

re: #172 WriterMom

This is what the Gaza strip looks like: flat, sandy desert.

[Link: www.decolonizing.ps...]

Any landing-strip pictures?

184 Occasional Reader  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 1:51:52pm

re: #171 The Mongoose

For those seeking only to defeat Cole, Michael Totten is now the leading opposition.

Cole: 29.8%
Totten: 25.0%
Israellycool: 24.3%

MIKE TOTTEN MUST NOT BE FORGOTTEN!

185 Throbert McGee  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 1:52:00pm

re: #123 Lawrence Schmerel

Juan Cole does not appear on the list at this time.

I saw him listed, checked the results, went back to vote, but then his name was gone.

Cole's blog ("Informed Comment") is still showing up for me.

186 Guanxi88  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 1:52:17pm

re: #182 WriterMom

Less transfat, too.

Depends on the bakery and the gentile-stock, of course. Some areas, you get more trans than others.

187 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 1:52:34pm

OT -

I can see that everything is working as planned with all the bailout money. Markets are way down today, jobs are falling faster than dead flies, and we got real estate moguls in Chicago offing themselves.

Keep those bailouts coming!

188 jcm  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 1:52:39pm

re: #173 Age Of Freedom

I can almost certainly say that this picture is fake. However, I'm not sure what's the purpose of it though, because Israel does pummel Hamas with half a ton + bombs. But this isn't the terrain of Gaza.

It looks more like S. Lebanon than Gaza doesn't it?

189 WriterMom  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 1:52:44pm

Charles, this photo by Nidal al-Terrorist is also suspicious:

[Link: blogs.reuters.com...]

Gaza just does not have this type of topography.

190 Occasional Reader  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 1:52:55pm

re: #179 Ben Hur

Going out on a limb.

It's actually a photograph of the moment when FATAH headquarters was blown up from an underground tunnel that took Hamas months to dig and was set off during their coup.

So sayeth Hur.

Really? They did that?

Gotta give the genocidal terror swine some credit for sheer moxie on that one, if so.

191 Just Another Four-letter Word  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 1:53:06pm

Ah! Got on finally.

Informed comment: 29.6%
Michael J Totten: 25.5%
Israellycool: 24.3%

As of 16:52 EST

JAFLW

192 Age Of Freedom  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 1:53:14pm

There's absolutely no reliable source that supports this false Israeli "admission" of Hamas not firing from Schools.

The evidence against Hamas (or generally any Islamic terror group) shooting as armed civilians from within crowded civilian areas against Israeli civilians has been proven forever.

193 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 1:53:23pm

The following is a political satire by freelance journalist Stefan Frank, originally in German and translated by me. The source is http://www.lizaswelt.net/2009/01/die-logik-der-nahostexpertokratie.html


How a Hamas sympathizer would have commented on the global political situation at the end of 1944

Already once, from 1914 to 1918, Great Britan has waged war against Germany. Germany has remained undefeated in battle and long-lasting stability has not been achieved as the events of 1939 have shown. But the british government has not learned from that. It reacted with inappropriate bombing of densely populated areas to primitive, self-made V2-rockets going down on London continously which admittedly spread fear and terror but do not do any real damage.

But even with brute force Great Britan cannot win this war. Because even if it succeeded in crushing the leadership of the NSDAP, the organization would not be at its end at all. There are enough frustrated, radicalized young men who are ready to take the places of killed NSDAP members. The NSDAP is not a terror group but a mass organization which runs wellfare institutions and has been legitimated through elections. Even a complete stop to the bombarding of Great Britain can only be achieved for a short time, according to experts' opinions. The operation would admittedly weaken the infrastructure of the NSDAP but in the long run it would be capable again to fire rockets onto british soil.

"There will be no victor in this war", a Europa expert summed up his assessment of the situation. "The NSDAP will temporarily stop its rocket attacks and then take revenge – perhaps even with suicide attacks in Great Britain." The only ones who benefited from the british operation have been the extremist organizations in all of Germany. The moderate forced in the NSDAP are weakened by the war while the radicals win new followers.

An immediate ceasefire is neccessary. Adolf Hitler and Rudolf Heß have been hinting in the past that they might be ready to agree to one under certain conditions. A long-lasting peace in Europe is only possible when Great Britain withdraws from the German colonies and helps to improve the social and economical situation in the German territories. It is only out of desperation over the injustice done to them over decades that the Germans have started a World War. London has to understand that.

////

194 Hard Right  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 1:53:35pm

re: #133 Shr_Nfr

Please, please, not in Washington DC! The result of that with Pelosi, Frank, Reid, Byrd and Kennedy would be a weapon of mass destruction.

Projectile vomitting, bleeding from the eyes....dogs and cats living together...

195 S'latch  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 1:53:48pm

re: #185 Throbert McGee

Thanks. I made a mistake.

196 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 1:53:58pm

re: #185 Throbert McGee

Cole's blog ("Informed Comment") is still showing up for me.

When I voted, there was NO JUAN COLE LISTED. I was curious as to which blog he was associated with. Looks like someone changed the name ON PURPOSE to help confuse the issue.

197 wolfie  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 1:54:19pm

re: #141 yochanan

[Link: 3.bp.blogspot.com...]

this is taken from navey daneal were my grand daughter lives the smoke is from gaza

What a beautiful photo. Also very scary.

198 Ben Hur  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 1:54:36pm

re: #180 Occasional Reader

Is referring to yourself in the third person one of your New Year's Resolutions?

It's an annoying habit I've picked up.

It'll fade.

The Hur hopes.

199 bosforus  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 1:54:53pm

Just refreshed the Blog Awards page. Totten went up 300, Cole went up 16. I think we can take him down.

200 Shr_Nfr  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 1:54:58pm

It looks like Hugo has reversed himself. He is going to continue using Joe Kennedy as a useful idiot. Per the WSJ headline. No story yet.

201 [deleted]  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 1:55:08pm
202 Ben Hur  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 1:55:24pm

re: #187 Walter L. Newton

OT -

I can see that everything is working as planned with all the bailout money. Markets are way down today, jobs are falling faster than dead flies, and we got real estate moguls in Chicago offing themselves.

Keep those bailouts coming!

Rink please

203 Occasional Reader  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 1:55:45pm

re: #198 Ben Hur

It's an annoying habit I've picked up.

It'll fade.

The Hur hopes.

Think of it this way; it could be construed as a symptom of gender confusion. (The Her)

That should cure you right quick.

204 Nevergiveup  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 1:55:48pm

re: #198 Ben Hur

It's an annoying habit I've picked up.

It'll fade.

The Hur hopes.

I don't know. That is how it all started with Golum?

205 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 1:55:50pm

re: #130 Charles

Good call. That's exactly what the UN is claiming......
Israeli official and UN prick debate the school bombing

Youtube Video

The UN isn't ruling out that they were firing from "near" the school. His claim is that they weren't "in" the school.

206 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 1:56:08pm

re: #202 Ben Hur

Rink please

What? "Rink?"

207 Nevergiveup  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 1:56:24pm

re: #200 Shr_Nfr

It looks like Hugo has reversed himself. He is going to continue using Joe Kennedy as a useful idiot. Per the WSJ headline. No story yet.

maybe senator caroline called him?

208 Hard Right  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 1:56:31pm

re: #206 Walter L. Newton

What? "Rink?"

Similar to robster craws.

209 yma o hyd  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 1:56:33pm

re: #150 WriterMom

Charles, if you look on top of the hills in the background, I am sure that those are West Bank settlements in the Judean Hills.

I think the locality of this photo is one of the points in question - is it really from Gaza, as AP says, or is it from somewhere else?

Is AP lying again, and have they recycled an older photo, after sexing it up?

210 Pyrocles  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 1:56:40pm

And our President-elect's buddy, Billy Ayers.

re: #143 Lynn B.

Not to mention Norman Finkelstein and Nadia Abu El Haj.

211 wolfie  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 1:56:46pm

re: #143 Lynn B.

All excellent nominees for the academic Hall of Shame, but please let us not forget the adorable Bernardine Dohrn and her heroic hubby Ayers!

*gag*

212 Occasional Reader  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 1:57:02pm

re: #196 Walter L. Newton

When I voted, there was NO JUAN COLE LISTED. I was curious as to which blog he was associated with. Looks like someone changed the name ON PURPOSE to help confuse the issue.

Evil always needs a mask. At least initially.

213 Just Another Four-letter Word  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 1:57:04pm

re: #206 Walter L. Newton

What? "Rink?"

...should say, "Rink, prease".

JAFLW

214 jwb7605  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 1:57:08pm

re: #208 Hard Right

Similar to robster craws.


Yeah. prain engrish.

215 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 1:57:18pm

re: #202 Ben Hur

Rink please

If you meant link, here...

(to the real estate guy)

[Link: www.cnn.com...]

216 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 1:57:26pm

re: #189 WriterMom

Now that one looks seriously suspicious. The lighting on the hill in the foreground in completely different than the lighting in the background.

217 WriterMom  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 1:57:36pm

Looks more like this...I bet those shots are either from Bilin with the smoke doctored in or from another village.

[Link: www.palestineremembered.com...]

218 Marvo76  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 1:57:45pm

re: #27 ggt

Is that an American Flag at the very top of the smoke plume?

Most certainly is, and you know what? I ain't a rocket scientist when it comes to spotting "shoppe" photos, but that looks pretty lame to me....

219 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 1:58:16pm

re: #214 jwb7605

Yeah. prain engrish.

STOP IT!

220 Occasional Reader  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 1:58:55pm

re: #214 jwb7605

Yeah. prain engrish.

I feel ronery.

221 Ben Hur  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 1:59:01pm

re: #203 Occasional Reader

Think of it this way; it could be construed as a symptom of gender confusion. (The Her)

That should cure you right quick.

You may be on to something.

I honestly did that by accident at least three times!

222 Hard Right  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 1:59:03pm

re: #219 Walter L. Newton

STOP IT!

Why so clanky?

223 S'latch  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 1:59:24pm

re: #212 Occasional Reader

I could be wrong, but I thought I saw Juan Cole's name listed by his blog the first time I looked at it, then when I went back to vote, it just said "Informed Consent" without his name.

224 Occasional Reader  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 1:59:48pm

re: #217 WriterMom

I bet those shots are either from Bilin

We must stop the cycle of violence in Bilin.

No, wait... we must stop the Billin' cycle. That's what I meant to say.

225 Just Another Four-letter Word  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 2:00:02pm

re: #219 Walter L. Newton

STOP IT!

Ruh roh!

JAFLW

226 Kragar  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 2:00:08pm

re: #208 Hard Right

Similar to robster craws.

I asked my Chinese girlfriend once if she wanted to 69.

She replied, "Why you want beef with brocolli?"

227 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 2:00:10pm

re: #218 Marvo76

Most certainly is, and you know what? I ain't a rocket scientist when it comes to spotting "shoppe" photos, but that looks pretty lame to me....

I don't think it's an flag at all. And I still ask the question, what is the photo suppose to be about. I find no info on a caption or context.

A little context would help.

Anyone?

228 WriterMom  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 2:00:15pm

re: #203 Occasional Reader

Are you suggesting that BEN HUR, our BEN HUR should "question his gender"?

GAAAAA

229 WriterMom  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 2:00:31pm

re: #226 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

HA

230 jwb7605  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 2:00:32pm

re: #218 Marvo76

Most certainly is, and you know what? I ain't a rocket scientist when it comes to spotting "shoppe" photos, but that looks pretty lame to me....

It's not an American flag. It's a light-colored piece of debris (like the others), with a puff of the black smoke where the "stars" would be.

231 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 2:00:40pm

Juan Cole & indeed most liberals, should put in a call to these guys

232 Occasional Reader  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 2:00:51pm

Juan Cole's name was "cleansed" from the voting page using Clean Cole technology.

233 CyanSnowHawk  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 2:01:12pm

re: #226 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I asked my Chinese girlfriend once if she wanted to 69.

She replied, "Why you want beef with brocolli?"

I thought that one was a hot dog and a taco.
/

234 jcm  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 2:01:43pm

re: #232 Occasional Reader

Juan Cole's name was "cleansed" from the voting page using Clean Cole technology.

It was already bankrupt.

235 WriterMom  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 2:01:46pm

re: #224 Occasional Reader

No, it's the cycle of violins...the sax and the violins.

236 Marvo76  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 2:01:58pm

re: #69 Charles

Maybe ... but that looks like an extreme telephoto lens setting, which could "shorten" the background radically. Those hills in the background could appear larger and closer than they are.

The debris looks a little suspicious, but it could be large pieces of a structure; that looks like a helluva big explosion.

I don't really see anything obviously faked.

Look close at the flag, if indeed it is going out and up, then why is it stretched as if in the breeze? shouldn't it be laying and trailing the heavier flagpole?

237 jwb7605  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 2:02:09pm

re: #219 Walter L. Newton

STOP IT!

Solly, Lalter.

238 Nevergiveup  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 2:02:19pm

TAKING CHANCE - HBO MOVIE TO AIR IN FEBRUARY
POSTED BY BLACKFIVE
"Chance Phelps was wearing his Saint Christopher medal when he was killed on Good Friday. Eight days later, I handed the medallion to his mother. I didn't know Chance before he died. Today, I miss him." - LtCol Michael R. Strobl, USMC (Ret.), “Taking Chance”

Four and a half years ago, I was asked to post "Taking Chance" by LtCol Michael Strobl. It evoked one of the strongest reactions on BlackFive that I have seen since starting the blog in mid-2003. The story also gave me the honor to get to know some of the friends and family and Marine brothers of Chance.

I included Taking Chance in the Blog of War (Chance is one of the men that the book is dedicated to) and we have followed it's trajectory until, finally, it will be aired as a movie on HBO on February 21st. Kevin Bacon will portray LtCol Strobl.

[Link: www.blackfive.net...]

Watch the Trailer!

239 [deleted]  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 2:02:26pm
240 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 2:02:34pm

re: #220 Occasional Reader

I feel ronery.

Well, if you like pina coradas...

241 Shr_Nfr  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 2:02:39pm

re: #224 Occasional Reader

Definitely. No mor billin' out dem damn bunks like American Express eater. Crap, all Amex has to do is to stop sending me all those damn solicitations for their crap card and they will save billions a year just on me alone.

242 jaunte  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 2:02:39pm

re: #205 Killgore Trout

I see the UN 'investigation' consisted of sending "one of their best people" in Gaza to hear what Gazans had to say about the controversy.

243 Truck Monkey  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 2:02:58pm

re: #226 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I asked my Chinese girlfriend once if she wanted to 69.

She replied, "Why you want beef with brocolli?"

My Chinese Dr said I have Ed Zachery disease.

244 [deleted]  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 2:03:51pm
245 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 2:03:54pm

re: #236 Marvo76

Look close at the flag, if indeed it is going out and up, then why is it stretched as if in the breeze? shouldn't it be laying and trailing the heavier flagpole?

It's not a flag. Why would it be the same color as all the other debris? Why wouldn't it be on fire if it was a piece of cloth? If it was a light piece of cloth, it would not have blown that high.

It's not a flag.

246 Rancher  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 2:04:07pm

LGF gets some accolades from NRO for forcing the media to be far more balanced in its coverage of this go round between Israel and the terrorists than in previous flareups.

Israel in the Balance

This is not the fall of 2000, when Yasser Arafat began a war with Israel, and when the mainstream media became a conduit for almost unadulterated PLO propaganda. These were the days when Tom Brokaw, on the NBC Nightly News, introduced a report with the words “Israeli riot police stormed the shrine, opening fire with rubber bullets and live ammunition on Palestinians who were throwing stones.” In fact, the confrontation in question began when worshippers poured out of the Al-Aqsa Mosque after an inflammatory sermon and tossed bottles, stones, and other deadly objects on worshippers at the Western Wall.

This is not even the summer of 2006, when Israel invaded Lebanon to stop a rocket barrage similar to the one the country is now getting from Hamas. Through the mainstream media, Hezbollah shut down the Israeli offensive with a carefully calculated stream of images of civilian casualties.

Of course, this is a war, and things can change on a dime — particularly as the conflict drags on and Hamas throws more of its civilians into the incinerator to provide fodder for “outreach” to the world community. But for the time being, one sees a rather dogged insistence on balance. This week on CNN, after the typical near-hysterical piece on mounting civilian casualties in the strip (again, no mention of the absence of a civil-defense system or of Hamas’s calculated use of civilians as human shields), a piece showing Israelis running for bomb shelters in Ashkelon and Beersheba aired. The segment included an interview with a Palestinian scholar who alleged that Israel had brought rockets, grads, kassems, et al., on herself with her continued “occupation” — but also clips of a powerful Israeli spokesman, who reminded viewers that Israel had tried to allow the Palestinians to develop their state for some time, but Hamas didn’t seem to want the party to end.

So what’s has happened between 2000 and the present? A number of factors have allowed Major Avital Leibovich, head of the foreign-press department in the IDF Spokesman’s Unit, to say, “I’m surprised for the better. The coverage has been balanced on most channels, even on some outlets not known for being pro-Israel.”

One big one is the creation and growth of web-based communities such as CAMERA, littlegreenfootballs.com, and honestreporting.com, which monitor coverage, share information with each other, and launch e-mail and phone-call campaigns in response to distortions. CAMERA (Committee for Accurate Middle East Reporting of America), the oldest and best-funded of the bunch, tirelessly scans headlines and transcripts and demands retractions and corrections. It often gets them. It is probably the New York Times public editor’s worst nightmare.

247 Hard Right  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 2:04:13pm

re: #220 Occasional Reader

I feel ronery.

So ronery

248 Age Of Freedom  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 2:04:52pm

re: #69 Charles

Maybe ... but that looks like an extreme telephoto lens setting, which could "shorten" the background radically. Those hills in the background could appear larger and closer than they are.

The debris looks a little suspicious, but it could be large pieces of a structure; that looks like a helluva big explosion.

I don't really see anything obviously faked.

Good point.

249 engineboss  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 2:04:55pm

I wonder if the so called shrapnel is rolled roofing material fragments? Maybe the force of the explosion and the heat drove it into the air.

250 Kragar  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 2:04:59pm

re: #233 CyanSnowHawk

I thought that one was a hot dog and a taco.
/

Now what was really funny is when I went to a Japanese place with my Japanese wife and was outraged to see bukkake noodles on the menu. I couldn't believe that could offer those until she explained it just meant they were covered in a cream sauce.

Boy was my face red.

BTW, bukkake on the internet is very very NSFW!

251 Guanxi88  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 2:05:04pm

re: #235 WriterMom

No, it's the cycle of violins...the sax and the violins.

Last song by the talking heads, if memory serves - not a bad one, either.

Youtube Video
252 bosforus  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 2:05:22pm

re: #247 Hard Right

So ronery

How ronery?

253 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 2:05:38pm

re: #246 Rancher

LGF gets some accolades from NRO for forcing the media to be far more balanced in its coverage of this go round between Israel and the terrorists than in previous flareups.

Israel in the Balance

This is great, but it will really mean something when the MSM writes an article such as this. Meanwhile, it's preaching to the choir.

254 Hard Right  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 2:05:50pm

re: #224 Occasional Reader

We must stop the cycle of violence in Bilin.

No, wait... we must stop the Billin' cycle. That's what I meant to say.

Violins in Berlin?

255 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 2:06:22pm

re: #250 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Now what was really funny is when I went to a Japanese place with my Japanese wife and was outraged to see bukkake noodles on the menu. I couldn't believe that could offer those until she explained it just meant they were covered in a cream sauce.

Boy was my face red.

BTW, bukkake on the internet is very very NSFW!

There's a Stroganoff joke here somewhere.

256 Hard Right  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 2:06:58pm

re: #250 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Now what was really funny is when I went to a Japanese place with my Japanese wife and was outraged to see bukkake noodles on the menu. I couldn't believe that could offer those until she explained it just meant they were covered in a cream sauce.
Boy was my face red.

BTW, bukkake on the internet is very very NSFW!

Too darned funny! Now we know where the NSFW name came from.

257 Guanxi88  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 2:07:08pm

re: #255 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

There's a Stroganoff joke here somewhere.

And it should stay exactly where it is.

258 jwb7605  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 2:07:34pm

re: #247 Hard Right

So ronery

Youtube Video
259 apachegunner  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 2:07:42pm

re: #238 Nevergiveup
Is this the same LtCol Michael Strobl from the Wisconsin/Illinois area Never?

260 yma o hyd  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 2:08:15pm

re: #227 Walter L. Newton

I don't think it's an flag at all. And I still ask the question, what is the photo suppose to be about. I find no info on a caption or context.

A little context would help.

Anyone?

This is the AP caption for that photo (from the Muqata)
"An explosion after an Israeli strike in Beit Lahiya in the northern Gaza Strip on Saturday, as seen from Gaza City.(Adel Hana/Associated Press)"

So - is this photo from where AP says it is - or isn't it?
Thats the first questin, and Lizards seem to agree it can't be ...

261 Occasional Reader  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 2:08:27pm

re: #239 buzzsawmonkey

Pssssssssst.

Oh.... bite me!

262 [deleted]  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 2:08:35pm
263 invictus1  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 2:08:47pm

re: #216 Killgore Trout

Look at the full size image. It's as if the foreground was placed on the background.

264 Kragar  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 2:08:54pm

Everyone is going for the easy "Ronery" song, so I'll go for the more obscure "You are worthless, Alec Baldwin!"

Youtube Video
265 Nevergiveup  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 2:09:12pm

re: #259 apachegunner

Is this the same LtCol Michael Strobl from the Wisconsin/Illinois area Never?

Not sure.

266 Hard Right  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 2:09:14pm

re: #261 Occasional Reader

Oh.... bite me!

So we've had our Cole-n cleaned?
///

267 invictus1  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 2:09:42pm

re: #260 yma o hyd

This is the AP caption for that photo (from the Muqata)
"An explosion after an Israeli strike in Beit Lahiya in the northern Gaza Strip on Saturday, as seen from Gaza City.(Adel Hana/Associated Press)"

So - is this photo from where AP says it is - or isn't it?
Thats the first questin, and Lizards seem to agree it can't be ...

Is it possible to check in a program like Google Earth, or something along those lines?

(Just a suggestion)

268 bosforus  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 2:10:00pm

re: #263 invictus1

Look at the full size image. It's as if the foreground was placed on the background.

Cloud?

269 apachegunner  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 2:10:13pm

hello yma re: #260 yma o hyd

270 Ben Hur  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 2:10:42pm
Prell was used as a gag in the Drawn Together episode "Clum Babies". The Asian pocket monster Ling-Ling describes his new shampoo (Prell) as his worst lingual enemy; he pronounces it "Plerr", providing another instance of Ling-Ling switching L's and R's. He then asks how "Plerr" can give his hair such shine and body yet leave his soul with shame and embarrassment.
271 Throbert McGee  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 2:10:45pm

re: #196 Walter L. Newton

When I voted, there was NO JUAN COLE LISTED. I was curious as to which blog he was associated with. Looks like someone changed the name ON PURPOSE to help confuse the issue.

Psst, Walter -- if you scroll up to the top of this page and look at the banner, you'll notice that Charles Johnson's blog is not actually called "Charles Johnson's Blog." There's no conspiracy of confusion going on here.

(Also, note that although Cole's blog is named "Informed Comment," the URL is juancole.com -- wow, what a fiendishly clever disguise.)

272 TheBull271  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 2:11:01pm

Totten is ahead down by .1%

273 CyanSnowHawk  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 2:11:07pm

re: #250 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Now what was really funny is when I went to a Japanese place with my Japanese wife and was outraged to see bukkake noodles on the menu. I couldn't believe that could offer those until she explained it just meant they were covered in a cream sauce.

Boy was my face red.

BTW, bukkake on the internet is very very NSFW!

I had no idea that word had a child-safe background.

274 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 2:11:08pm

re: #260 yma o hyd

This is the AP caption for that photo (from the Muqata)
"An explosion after an Israeli strike in Beit Lahiya in the northern Gaza Strip on Saturday, as seen from Gaza City.(Adel Hana/Associated Press)"

So - is this photo from where AP says it is - or isn't it?
Thats the first questin, and Lizards seem to agree it can't be ...

Thanks. I don't know the area, so I can't comment, but I did want to know what it was suppose to be. So, it says nothing about what was hit, any deaths etc?

275 Nevergiveup  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 2:11:26pm

re: #259 apachegunner

Is this the same LtCol Michael Strobl from the Wisconsin/Illinois area Never?

Are you familiar with the story?

276 Hard Right  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 2:11:29pm

re: #270 Ben Hur

I LOVED DRAWN TOGETHER! It was like Family Guy on PCP.

277 Ben Hur  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 2:12:29pm

He then asks how "Plerr" can give his hair such shine and body yet leave his soul with shame and embarrassment.

278 bosforus  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 2:12:50pm

re: #272 TheBull271

Totten is ahead down by .1%

0.7% now

279 Render  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 2:12:50pm

re: #189 WriterMom

Gaza Port is flat. Very flat, except for the buildings. The only "high" ground in the region is a 108ft hill about 5 miles east of Nahal Oz, in Israel.

Allenby remarked on just such topography during his 1918 drive on Megiddo.

OLD
GROUND,
R

280 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 2:12:51pm

re: #271 Throbert McGee

Psst, Walter -- if you scroll up to the top of this page and look at the banner, you'll notice that Charles Johnson's blog is not actually called "Charles Johnson's Blog." There's no conspiracy of confusion going on here.

(Also, note that although Cole's blog is named "Informed Comment," the URL is juancole.com -- wow, what a fiendishly clever disguise.)

Would you leave me alone. I need a fresh conspiracy for today. :)

281 Marvo76  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 2:12:55pm

re: #245 Walter L. Newton

It's not a flag. Why would it be the same color as all the other debris? Why wouldn't it be on fire if it was a piece of cloth? If it was a light piece of cloth, it would not have blown that high.

It's not a flag.


went back and looked again with glasses on I concede your point...

282 TheBull271  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 2:13:20pm

Totten up .6% :)

283 Occasional Reader  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 2:13:38pm

re: #279 Render

Gaza Port is flat.

I don't recommend the West Bank Pinot Noir, either.

284 CyanSnowHawk  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 2:13:47pm

I think I found a way that Mike Tyson might like Jews.

285 apachegunner  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 2:13:50pm

re: #275 Nevergiveup

Are you familiar with the story?


No, I'm not. I once worked on a team with a retired marine LtCol, huaaaaaaaaaaa, Mike Strobel, back in the late 80s, early 90s.

286 yma o hyd  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 2:13:51pm

re: #269 apachegunner

hello yma

Hi there!
How're you today?

287 redstateredneck  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 2:14:03pm

re: #278 bosforus

0.7% now


The minions are surging.

288 Occasional Reader  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 2:14:12pm

re: #282 TheBull271

Totten up .6% :)

YES! He's tottin' up the votes!

289 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 2:14:20pm

re: #281 Marvo76

went back and looked again with glasses on I concede your point...

And I also just put on my glasses. It's Roseanne Barr!

290 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 2:14:21pm

re: #283 Occasional Reader

I don't recommend the West Bank Pinot Noir, either.

And yet the Palis are so good at whine.

291 dhg4  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 2:14:32pm

re: #9 Alouette

The problem is the good guys are split between Israellycool and Michael Totten.

And what about Elder of Ziyon? (Not to mention Martin Kramer.)

Of course Cole got his campaign started complaining about the neo-con conspiracy against him. Now that Charles has weighed that will just confirm his paranoia.

Andrew Sullivan, last I saw, was leading Hot Air in Best Blog. Go explain that.

292 Charles Johnson  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 2:14:35pm

re: #249 engineboss

I wonder if the so called shrapnel is rolled roofing material fragments? Maybe the force of the explosion and the heat drove it into the air.

That's what I'm thinking. One of the pieces (2nd from left) actually has a "tented" sort of roof shape to it.

293 Occasional Reader  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 2:14:48pm

re: #288 Occasional Reader

YES! He's tottin' up the votes!

(and if buzzsawmonkey already did that joke, I swear to Jebus I'm embarking on a three-state killing spree)

294 apachegunner  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 2:15:09pm

re: #286 yma o hyd

Hi there!
How're you today?


doin well thank you, as I hope you are too!

295 3 wood  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 2:15:29pm

Well, the market took it on the chin but good today, due to fears about more unemployment and a deepening recession.

The Dow dropped 2.72%, the S&P dropped 3%, the NASDAQ dropped 3.23% and oil dropped down to $42.68.

The drop was pretty much across the board with only 17.5% of the issues on the NYSE gaining on the day, and losers outnumbered gainers 4.5 to 1.

In the mean time the Fed is broadening it's support of money market funds:

Fed expands liquidity program for money market funds


WASHINGTON (MarketWatch) -- More institutions will be eligible to participate in the Federal Reserve's Money Market Investor Funding Facility, the Fed said Wednesday. In addition to money market mutual funds, the Fed will buy assets from other funds that operate in a similar manner to money market mutual funds. The newly eligible participants include U.S.-based securities-lending cash-collateral reinvestment funds, portfolios, and accounts (securities lenders); and U.S.-based investment funds, such as certain local government investment pools, common trust funds, and collective investment funds. The program was authorized on Oct. 28 after a several large funds were pressured by failed investments in Lehman Bros.
296 quickjustice  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 2:15:43pm

Totten is overtaking Cole rapidly! Get over there and vote, Lizards!

297 bosforus  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 2:15:50pm

re: #292 Charles

I'm going to go with Ojoe's corrugated iron theory. Seems very possible.

298 Occasional Reader  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 2:16:01pm

re: #291 dhg4

Andrew Sullivan, last I saw, was leading Hot Air in Best Blog. Go explain that.

He broke the story about how Trig Palin is actually Bigfoot's secret love child with Eva Braun. Or something like that.

299 apachegunner  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 2:16:07pm

re: #295 3 wood
hey 3

300 Hard Right  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 2:16:32pm

re: #293 Occasional Reader

(and if buzzsawmonkey already did that joke, I swear to Jebus I'm embarking on a three-state killing spree)

So you'll be tottin some guns?
(runs for life)

301 Age Of Freedom  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 2:16:39pm

re: #188 jcm

It looks more like S. Lebanon than Gaza doesn't it?

It certainly does, in the summer time when it's all dry and brown. Although Charles does have a good point, this picture was taken while observing from a mountain. So despite his valid point, I am more convinced this picture is from S. Lebanon. Still, I can't say for 100% sure.

302 soccermom  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 2:16:42pm

Ugh. Andrew Sullivan is ahead in the "Best Blog" category.
His most recent ridiculous hissy fit was trying to determine if Sarah Palin really was pregnant last spring. He was doubtful.

You know what to do, lizards!

303 Hard Right  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 2:18:26pm

re: #302 soccermom

Ugh. Andrew Sullivan is ahead in the "Best Blog" category.
His most recent ridiculous hissy fit was trying to determine if Sarah Palin really was pregnant last spring. He was doubtful.

You know what to do, lizards!

Send a bunch of taxi cabs to his house?
Make him fall in love with me, empty his bank account, dump him after cheating with his best friend?
Help me out here...

304 yma o hyd  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 2:18:39pm

re: #274 Walter L. Newton

Thanks. I don't know the area, so I can't comment, but I did want to know what it was suppose to be. So, it says nothing about what was hit, any deaths etc?

No - its about AP lying, as the location of that photo does not look like North Gaza. Thats what the Israeli bloggers ar questioning, and the Lizards who have been to Israel seem to agree its not in North Gaza.
So - one possible lie already.

Then there is the quesion if it is another fauxtography.

These are the points why The Muqata has asked the Lizards to have a look and thus help the Israeli bloggers.

305 kynna  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 2:18:45pm

I'm going over to vote right now, but I want to share my appreciation for the hilarious antics of the Lizards this afternoon. Perked me right up! :D

306 [deleted]  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 2:18:58pm
307 Age Of Freedom  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 2:19:01pm

re: #301 Age Of Freedom

It certainly does, in the summer time when it's all dry and brown. Although Charles does have a good point, this picture was taken while observing from a mountain. So despite his valid point, I am more convinced this picture is from S. Lebanon. Still, I can't say for 100% sure.

In fact, since it's most likely taken in the summer and in S. Lebanon, this is likely to be taken during the war in summer 2006. Age Of Freedom, I would up ding you if I could.

308 [deleted]  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 2:19:40pm
309 reloadingisnotahobby  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 2:19:58pm

re: #303 Hard Right
Is that shit always in your head?
LOL

310 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 2:19:58pm

re: #295 3 wood

Oh goody, the government is gonna play with some more money, hell it's working so well up to this point.

Yea, I don't know shit about the markets and finance, but I can smell a con a mile away, and don't tell me this whole bunch of poop ain't a con, big time, a LONG CON as they say.

311 Guanxi88  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 2:19:58pm

re: #303 Hard Right

Send a bunch of taxi cabs to his house?
Make him fall in love with me, empty his bank account, dump him after cheating with his best friend?
Help me out here...

All sound ideas, except for the last one - don't think he has any friends, so it wouldn't be workable.

312 Hard Right  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 2:20:57pm

re: #309 reloadingisnotahobby

Is that shit always in your head?
LOL

No. Sometimes it falls out of my mouth. Now you know why my parents were afraid to leave me home alone as a child.

313 yma o hyd  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 2:21:06pm

re: #294 apachegunner

doin well thank you, as I hope you are too!

Heh.
Was just 'saved' by Madame Dog, from a possible breaking-and-entering by a neighbourhood cat!

Dunno what got inot her (Madame Dog, that is!)

314 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 2:21:13pm

re: #304 yma o hyd

No, no, I understand. I'm just saying I don't know what I'm looking at, so I can't comment on the location or anything. I believe what the Lizards are saying.

315 Age Of Freedom  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 2:21:18pm

Michael J. Totten takes the lead over Maximum Cole.

316 Occasional Reader  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 2:21:29pm

re: #306 buzzsawmonkey

Hey, it's all yours.

What state do you live in?


(loading bullets into my Glock automatic revolver... that's the AP description, anyway)

317 Hard Right  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 2:21:37pm

re: #315 Age Of Freedom

Michael J. Totten takes the lead over Maximum Cole.

Cole-n Blow.

318 Throbert McGee  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 2:21:47pm

re: #250 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Now what was really funny is when I went to a Japanese place with my Japanese wife and was outraged to see bukkake noodles on the menu. I couldn't believe that could offer those until she explained it just meant they were covered in a cream sauce.

Heh -- not necessarily a cream sauce; it's any kind of sauce poured in generous quantities on top of noodles or rice or whatever (as distinguished from just a thin coating of sauce -- which as far as I know is not described as "bukkake").

The word bukkake literally translates as "a splash" or "the act of splashing," so both the G-rated culinary usage and the more widely known porno term are extensions of that underlying meaning.

319 CapeCoddah  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 2:21:51pm

Good Afternoon everyone!
Anybody see this disgusting article on a pro palestinian rally in Ft. Lauderdale?
[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

320 [deleted]  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 2:21:52pm
321 Hard Right  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 2:22:07pm

re: #316 Occasional Reader

What state do you live in?


(loading bullets into my Glock automatic revolver... that's the AP description, anyway)

Denial.
Hey, what's that clickin noise?

322 apachegunner  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 2:22:11pm

my shelti loves cats, ya mean Madame doesn't? re: #313 yma o hyd

Heh.
Was just 'saved' by Madame Dog, from a possible breaking-and-entering by a neighbourhood cat!

Dunno what got inot her (Madame Dog, that is!)

323 3 wood  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 2:22:13pm

re: #299 apachegunner

hey 3

Yo.

324 jaunte  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 2:22:43pm

re: #304 yma o hyd

Here's another iage from 2003 that shows a bit of the landscape around Beit Lahiya.

BEIT LAYEA, GAZA STRIP - MARCH 10: A Palestinian police officer and a youth stand next to a tattered Palestinian flag looking at the damage March 10, 2003 in Beit Lahiya, the Gaza Strip. Israeli forces withdrew from a four-square-mile area of the northern Gaza Strip. The Israelis seized the land to prevent rocket fire into Israeli border towns.


[Link: www.jamd.com...]

325 JammieWearingFool  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 2:23:01pm

Totten is now in the lead. He got some Insta-lanche help as well.

326 Occasional Reader  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 2:23:22pm

re: #318 Throbert McGee

and the more widely known porno term

This confirms it; I've led a sheltered life. I was only familiar with the culinary usage.

327 Soccermom  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 2:23:23pm

#303 and #308:

Ha. Vote for someone else, like Hot Air.

328 invictus1  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 2:23:43pm

re: #307 Age Of Freedom

In fact, since it's most likely taken in the summer and in S. Lebanon, this is likely to be taken during the war in summer 2006. Age Of Freedom, I would up ding you if I could.

I found this picture that the other one from the CBC website seems to be cropped from.

329 3 wood  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 2:23:52pm

re: #310 Walter L. Newton

Yea, I don't know shit about the markets and finance, but I can smell a con a mile away, and don't tell me this whole bunch of poop ain't a con, big time, a LONG CON as they say.

OK

330 Hard Right  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 2:23:54pm

re: #322 apachegunner

my shelti loves cats, ya mean Madame doesn't?

My Pek is neutral on them when they live together. Outside, she chases them. It is hillarious. The cat is fleeing thinking she wants it dead, but my dog thinks they're playing.

331 Charles Johnson  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 2:23:57pm

Hey, Michael Totten just pulled ahead in the poll.

332 Marvo76  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 2:24:35pm

I just checked out google earth, I don't see anything in the way of terrain from the air that looks like it could be that tall (background)

333 Render  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 2:24:42pm

[Link: www.panoramio.com...]

[Link: www.panoramio.com...]

See any mountains?

NOT,
R

334 CyanSnowHawk  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 2:25:25pm

re: #305 kynna

I'm going over to vote right now, but I want to share my appreciation for the hilarious antics of the Lizards this afternoon. Perked me right up! :D

You mean, let us understand this cause, ya know maybe it's us, we're a little f***ed up maybe, but we're funny how, we're funny like we're clowns, we amuse you? We make you laugh, we're here to f***in' amuse you? What do you mean funny, funny how? How are we funny?

//

335 apachegunner  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 2:25:28pm

re: #330 Hard Right
yep, kinda fun to watch

336 Silhouette  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 2:25:48pm

Remember, like Scarlett said, tomorrow IS another day.

All the Cole voters can vote again tomorrow.

As can you.

337 faraway  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 2:26:14pm

Dick Tracy watch coming soon

338 Occasional Reader  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 2:26:49pm

re: #334 CyanSnowHawk

You mean, let us understand this cause, ya know maybe it's us, we're a little f***ed up maybe, but we're funny how, we're funny like we're clowns, we amuse you? We make you laugh, we're here to f***in' amuse you? What do you mean funny, funny how? How are we funny?

//

I try to use that line at least once a week.

339 filetandrelease  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 2:27:33pm

re: #252 bosforus

How ronery?


me so rorny, me ruv ru rong time

340 Nevergiveup  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 2:27:49pm

re: #337 faraway

Dick Tracy watch coming soon

What's next underpants/panties phones that vibrate?

341 quickjustice  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 2:28:09pm

re: #310 Walter L. Newton

Trouble is, the con has been ongoing for about sixteen years.

342 faraway  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 2:28:33pm

re: #340 Nevergiveup

What's next underpants/panties phones that vibrate?

Never work, they'll make you go blind.

343 apachegunner  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 2:28:34pm

re: #340 Nevergiveup

What's next underpants/panties phones that vibrate?


I love it when my phone vibrates while in my front pocket :>)

344 invictus1  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 2:28:45pm

re: #332 Marvo76

I just checked out google earth, I don't see anything in the way of terrain from the air that looks like it could be that tall (background)

Yes, I am looking at Google Earth/Maps and I can't see any kind of terrain features like that, at least that big. Again, look at this picture - the one the CBC/AP has cropped from - someone better at this than I am might be able to use that to determine its authenticity...

345 [deleted]  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 2:28:59pm
346 jwb7605  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 2:29:06pm

re: #332 Marvo76

I just checked out google earth, I don't see anything in the way of terrain from the air that looks like it could be that tall (background)

The recent overreaction and excessive use of force by the imperialist zionist honcos has created the new mountain range from debris formed as the bombs dropped and innocent Palestinian freedom fighters were slaughtered in the resulting genocide. The photo clearly illustrates it.
/Reuters

347 Age Of Freedom  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 2:29:09pm

re: #328 invictus1

I found this picture that the other one from the CBC website seems to be cropped from.

Still, if you were giving me the option to choose what place it is between S. Lebanon and Gaza, I'd tell you the former on the spot with out any hesitations.
I would keep a close eye on this one, because it may not be an image from this war.

348 Age Of Freedom  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 2:29:22pm

re: #331 Charles

Hey, Michael Totten just pulled ahead in the poll.

The surge succeeded!

349 yma o hyd  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 2:29:32pm

re: #322 apachegunner

my shelti loves cats, ya mean Madame doesn't?

Absolutely not! Especially not when they come onto 'her' property!
Someone had left the gate open - and I know a cat must get in sometimes, as Madame has very suspicious sniffs right next to the gate ...

350 apachegunner  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 2:29:59pm

re: #346 jwb7605

The recent overreaction and excessive use of force by the imperialist zionist honcos has created the new mountain range from debris formed as the bombs dropped and innocent Palestinian freedom fighters were slaughtered in the resulting genocide. The photo clearly illustrates it.
/Reuters


Ooooops, theres the word! I am a honco

351 Age Of Freedom  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 2:30:35pm

re: #333 Render

[Link: www.panoramio.com...]

[Link: www.panoramio.com...]

See any mountains?

NOT,
R

Exactly. I'm more and more suspecting this now...

352 apachegunner  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 2:31:21pm

re: #349 yma o hyd
your right "her property" means a lot, I was talking about her cat on her property.

353 OldLineTexan  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 2:31:30pm

re: #345 ploome hineni

look at the body language and placement of people

[Link: assets.nydailynews.com...]

It's all wrong, wrong, wrong.

Carter goes next to Clinton, the two Bushes go together, and Obama belongs in the middle.

Left nuts, prick, right nuts.

354 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 2:32:09pm

re: #341 quickjustice

Trouble is, the con has been ongoing for about sixteen years.

That's what a long con is. A con, that is being worked so long that it's near impossible to recognize it as a con.

But of course, the financial wizards, every day, they have a new report, or a new reason why the bailouts are good, and when something doesn't work a month or so down the road, well, they have another reason why we should be happy that it worked out that way.

Bottom line is these guys are selling something, whether it be their politics, their financial devices or just trying to hang on to their careers, and they will say and do anything to continue the long con.

And like anyone selling something, they're not going to tell you the product stinks.

355 OldLineTexan  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 2:32:50pm

re: #340 Nevergiveup

What's next underpants/panties phones that vibrate?

Errr, you're late to the vibrating panty party...no phone function, but they were remote control...

/don't ask how I know that

356 hous bin pharteen  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 2:32:52pm

Now the left wing wants to kill jooows. Hey, big surprise!
[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

ANSWER wants "ovens" next. Then they lie like it is nothing.

357 [deleted]  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 2:33:16pm
358 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 2:34:01pm

I voted for Isaellycool.

359 faraway  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 2:34:31pm

When will there be a Wii version of LGF?

360 CyanSnowHawk  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 2:34:35pm

re: #338 Occasional Reader

I try to use that line at least once a week.

I had to look it up to get it right. Pesci just scares the hell out of me in both Goodfellas and Casino, right up until he pisses off enough people above him.
I have recently used NetFlix to catch up on my gangster films.

361 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 2:34:50pm

re: #356 hous bin pharteen

Now the left wing wants to kill jooows. Hey, big surprise!
[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

ANSWER wants "ovens" next. Then they lie like it is nothing.

Pali scum.

362 OldLineTexan  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 2:34:54pm

re: #359 faraway

When will there be a Wii version of LGF?

Just chuck something at your computer screen...

363 faraway  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 2:35:12pm

re: #359 faraway

When will there be a Wii version of LGF?

I wanna be able to whack people and such.

364 bosforus  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 2:35:16pm

re: #359 faraway

When will there be a Wii version of LGF?

Hammer motion for downdings.

365 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 2:35:30pm

re: #359 faraway

When will there be a Wii version of LGF?

When there is, I'm ready for it. Okay, almost. Gotta get the Wii Wi-Fi adapter.

366 [deleted]  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 2:35:52pm
367 Russkilitlover  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 2:35:57pm

re: #187 Walter L. Newton

OT -

I can see that everything is working as planned with all the bailout money. Markets are way down today, jobs are falling faster than dead flies, and we got real estate moguls in Chicago offing themselves.

Keep those bailouts coming!

Bailouts won't do squat as long as the banks hoard the cash infusion or, as in the case of BofA, use their taxpayer dollars to invest 7.5B into a Chinese construction firm.

368 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 2:36:00pm

re: #363 faraway

I wanna be able to whack people and such.

It can't be as fun as the cow races.

369 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 2:36:01pm

re: #363 faraway

I wanna be able to whack people and such.

That's Mandy's department. It's proprietary.

370 yma o hyd  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 2:36:39pm

Lizards, I gotta go now, Madame Dog has to check the back garden for any other burglaring cats!

Seeya tomorrow, all being well.

May God bless and protect Israel and all who fight for her survival!

371 Taqyia2Me  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 2:36:42pm

re: #363 faraway

I wanna be able to whack people and such.

Don't give Mandy Manners no ideas like that!

372 CyanSnowHawk  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 2:36:48pm

re: #359 faraway

When will there be a Wii version of LGF?

We would actually have to get up and move.

373 Nevergiveup  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 2:36:55pm

re: #355 OldLineTexan

Errr, you're late to the vibrating panty party...no phone function, but they were remote control...

/don't ask how I know that

I would never ask you how you know, but were do I buy a pair or 2?

374 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 2:37:39pm

OT

No link, I heard this on Paul Harvey, but here's something to whack your moonbat friends with. LCD and plasma screen TV's are like BIG energy hogs. I mean 10 to 100 times more energy usage than a normal TV screen.

Maybe Harvey archives his reports or maybe he got it from some source that you can find online.

So, if you have any moonbat friends with a Prius and a plasma, talk to them for me.

375 jaunte  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 2:37:39pm

re: #356 hous bin pharteen

"She does not represent the opinions of the vast majority of people who were there," said lied Emmanuel Lopez, who helped plan the event, one of many sponsored nationwide on Dec. 30 by the ANSWER (Act Now to Stop War and End Racism ) Coalition.

376 Silhouette  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 2:37:54pm

re: #366 ploome hineni

someone must know this person

who is she?

It's not important. /

Now, if she had embarassed Obama, 10 different state agencies would be investigating her and all her near relations.

377 Throbert McGee  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 2:38:00pm

re: #315 Age Of Freedom

Michael J. Totten takes the lead over Maximum Cole.

Come to think of it, the bowl of talking coleslaw on "Red State Update" is a much more astute political analyst than Juan Cole, but apparently this Weblog Awards thing doesn't allow write-ins.

378 Only The Lurker Knows  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 2:38:22pm

Totten now at 31.7% with 2,381 votes
Cole at 26.2% with 1,969 votes.

379 Last Mohican  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 2:38:46pm

re: #332 Marvo76

I just checked out google earth, I don't see anything in the way of terrain from the air that looks like it could be that tall (background)

I've been looking on Google Maps too. If you're looking at Bayt Lahiya from Gaza City, then you're looking in some direction between NNE and ENE. So what would those mountains in the background be?

380 bosforus  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 2:38:50pm

re: #378 Bubblehead II

Totten now at 31.7% with 2,381 votes
Cole at 26.2% with 1,969 votes.

Now let's work on putting LGF on top of best conservative blog.

381 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 2:38:53pm

re: #367 Russkilitlover

Bailouts won't do squat as long as the banks hoard the cash infusion or, as in the case of BofA, use their taxpayer dollars to invest 7.5B into a Chinese construction firm.

And who should have oversight of what the banks are doing with the money? The US government, I think. Ergo, I call bullshit on the whole process.

382 OldLineTexan  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 2:39:36pm

re: #373 Nevergiveup

I would never ask you how you know, but were do I buy a pair or 2?

There's this place down the freeway from here called Cindie's, but I swear I have only glanced at the billboard...

Or you can get them here. (work-safe Amazon listing)

383 apachegunner  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 2:39:51pm

re: #374 Walter L. Newton
I am proud of my 52" 1080I, plasma tv. It heats the entire room all by itself. You can feel the power of it blowing your hair. I like it best with all the lights in the house turned on and the windows open with the heater blasting. Fuck green!

384 Nevergiveup  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 2:40:11pm

BUFFALO, N.Y. -- The office of Jack Kemp said the former housing secretary, congressman and Buffalo Bills quarterback has been diagnosed with cancer.

[Link: sports.espn.go.com...]

Best wishes to him and his family.

385 OldLineTexan  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 2:40:24pm

re: #374 Walter L. Newton

OT

No link, I heard this on Paul Harvey, but here's something to whack your moonbat friends with. LCD and plasma screen TV's are like BIG energy hogs. I mean 10 to 100 times more energy usage than a normal TV screen.

Maybe Harvey archives his reports or maybe he got it from some source that you can find online.

So, if you have any moonbat friends with a Prius and a plasma, talk to them for me.

Does the candy bar with a Diet Coke averaging rule apply?

386 faraway  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 2:40:30pm

re: #383 apachegunner

I am proud of my 52" 1080I, plasma tv. It heats the entire room all by itself. You can feel the power of it blowing your hair. I like it best with all the lights in the house turned on and the windows open with the heater blasting. Fuck green!

I don't know what it is, but I like it.

387 Render  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 2:40:58pm

re: #366 ploome hineni

Fourth wife of a goat humping pedophile.

ALL
I
GOT,
R

388 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 2:41:09pm

re: #379 Last Mohican

I've been looking on Google Maps too. If you're looking at Bayt Lahiya from Gaza City, then you're looking in some direction between NNE and ENE. So what would those mountains in the background be?

Utah

389 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 2:41:17pm

re: #384 Nevergiveup

BUFFALO, N.Y. -- The office of Jack Kemp said the former housing secretary, congressman and Buffalo Bills quarterback has been diagnosed with cancer.

[Link: sports.espn.go.com...]

Best wishes to him and his family.

Oh my.

390 Only The Lurker Knows  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 2:42:19pm

re: #380 bosforus

Well I only have a limited supply of unsecured wireless networks I can access to cast votes through ;-)

391 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 2:42:25pm

re: #387 Render

Fourth wife of a goat humping pedophile.

ALL
I
GOT,
R

Hey Render!

392 3 wood  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 2:42:25pm

The price of oil keeps dropping as supplies back up:

Oil loses most in seven years as inventories jump

NEW YORK (MarketWatch) -- Crude-oil futures tumbled 12% Wednesday, marking their biggest one-day percentage drop in more than seven years, after government reports showed U.S. crude inventories jumped last week and as data indicated deteriorating troubles in the economy.
The nation's stockpiles of crude reached 325.4 million barrels in the week ended Jan. 2, up 6.7 million barrels from a week ago, the Energy Information Administration reported. Analysts surveyed by energy information provider Platts had expected a buildup of 1.5 million barrels.
"The stock build should be enough to chase the bulls back into the barn," said James Williams, an economist at energy research firm WTRG Economics. "The substantial builds in crude oil, gasoline and distillates ought to bring the bears back from a short hibernation."

393 Charles Johnson  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 2:42:36pm

re: #344 invictus1

Yes, I am looking at Google Earth/Maps and I can't see any kind of terrain features like that, at least that big. Again, look at this picture - the one the CBC/AP has cropped from - someone better at this than I am might be able to use that to determine its authenticity...

The caption for the photo:

An explosion is seen after an Israeli strike in Beit Lahiya in the northern Gaza Strip, as seen from Gaza City...

If that's accurate, the photo would have been taken looking north, because Gaza City is to the south of Beit Lahia.

394 Nevergiveup  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 2:42:55pm

Cleveland Names Eric Manginni the just fired ex-jet as head coach? Good luck Cleveland?

395 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 2:43:36pm

re: #356 hous bin pharteen

Now the left wing wants to kill jooows. Hey, big surprise!
[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

ANSWER wants "ovens" next. Then they lie like it is nothing.

"She does not represent the opinions of the vast majority of people who were there," said Emmanuel Lopez, who helped plan the event, one of many sponsored nationwide on Dec. 30 by the ANSWER (Act Now to Stop War and End Racism ) Coalition.
Lopez, a state coordinator for ANSWER, admitted there is a problem with anti-Semitism within his organization's ranks. But then he went on to call the supporters of Israel across the street "barbaric, racist" Zionist terrorists.

Fucking detestable scumbags one and all of them.

396 hous bin pharteen  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 2:43:41pm

re: #375 jaunte

Spot on.

397 Charles Johnson  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 2:43:48pm

re: #393 Charles

...and that means the hills in the background could be in Israel, again with an extremely zoomed-in lens.

398 CyanSnowHawk  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 2:44:09pm

re: #374 Walter L. Newton

OT

No link, I heard this on Paul Harvey, but here's something to whack your moonbat friends with. LCD and plasma screen TV's are like BIG energy hogs. I mean 10 to 100 times more energy usage than a normal TV screen.

Maybe Harvey archives his reports or maybe he got it from some source that you can find online.

So, if you have any moonbat friends with a Prius and a plasma, talk to them for me.

That's 3(LCD) to 10(Plasma) times more energy than a CRT Walter, and I suspect that it does not refer to same size devices (all test screens at 32" for instance). My 32" CRT pulls 65W, standard household mains wouldn't support 6.5kW from a single socket.

399 Russkilitlover  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 2:44:26pm

re: #381 Walter L. Newton

And who should have oversight of what the banks are doing with the money? The US government, I think. Ergo, I call bullshit on the whole process.

Hundreds of billions of dollars and absolutely no oversight, no terms of use, no accounting and no auditing. Congress should be horsewhipped, along with the Bush Administration. Absolutely shameful.

OTOH, the bank CEO's are very happy folk these days!

400 Russkilitlover  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 2:45:26pm

re: #392 3 wood

The price of oil keeps dropping as supplies back up:

Oil loses most in seven years as inventories jump

And gas is up in my community .13 in 10 days. I don't have the math skills - new or old - to make sense of it.

401 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 2:45:34pm

re: #392 3 wood

The price of oil keeps dropping as supplies back up:

Oil loses most in seven years as inventories jump

And has anyone noticed the price of consumer items going down? Of course not. Four to six months ago, when the price of gas was peaking, the price of food and other items went up, fast.

I haven't seen a decrease in any prices (except gas itself). Wonder why?

402 Throbert McGee  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 2:45:49pm

re: #326 Occasional Reader

This confirms it; I've led a sheltered life. I was only familiar with the culinary usage.

Damn, you ARE sheltered.

To update an old joke:

A couple of first-graders were playing on the merry-go-round during recess when when of them said to the other:

"Hey, guess what? I was at my Grandpa's house last weekend and I found a bukkake DVD on the veranda!"

"What's a veranda?"

403 doppelganglander  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 2:46:08pm

re: #378 Bubblehead II

Totten now at 31.7% with 2,381 votes
Cole at 26.2% with 1,969 votes.

Lizards get results. Incidentally, I love the way you can watch the bars grow as the results are displayed.

404 Nevergiveup  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 2:46:11pm

re: #397 Charles

...and that means the hills in the background could be in Israel, again with an extremely zoomed-in lens.

Well the hill would have to be in Israel, but the only Hills that big anywhere near there would have to be the foothills of the Judean Hills. And I have serious doubts no matter what lens you were using that they would be visible in such a manner.

405 bosforus  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 2:46:50pm

re: #397 Charles

...with an extremely zoomed-in lens.

It's the only way I'd want a photo of that area. I can't blame the photographer for not wanting close-ups of that area.

406 beens21  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 2:46:51pm

note that zomblog, Zombie's site, is nominated in the 'best midsize blog' at the blogawards site.

407 Marvo76  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 2:47:25pm

re: #392 3 wood

so how come the price of gas has risen 20 cents here in central IN in the last three days?

408 hous bin pharteen  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 2:47:30pm

re: #359 faraway

Ohhh! Ohhh! Ooohhhhh!
Neat!
Will it have a copy of the M12 to practice with?!?!?!?!

409 jcm  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 2:47:40pm

re: #393 Charles

If that's accurate, the photo would have been taken looking north, because Gaza City is to the south of Beit Lahia.

Looking north would make sense, the building are sun light on the side facing the camera. Winter time the sun is in the south.

410 bosforus  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 2:47:40pm

re: #400 Russkilitlover

And gas is up in my community .13 in 10 days. I don't have the math skills - new or old - to make sense of it.

Went up 20 cents across the street from me...today!
Down the street it had only gone up 2 cents.
Guess where I filled up.

411 nanook  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 2:48:01pm

re: #184 Occasional Reader

Michael Totten definitely gets my vote. He is an amazing journalist -- and I mean that word in the nicest sense.

412 Fat Jolly Penguin  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 2:48:48pm

Cheeky: Porn industry wants a bailout

413 opnion  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 2:49:17pm

re: #399 Russkilitlover

Hundreds of billions of dollars and absolutely no oversight, no terms of use, no accounting and no auditing. Congress should be horsewhipped, along with the Bush Administration. Absolutely shameful.

OTOH, the bank CEO's are very happy folk these days!

Uh Huh & McCain suspended his campaign to run back to Washington to support this. He could have gotten some traction if he opposed it or at least slowed it down & got some accountability.
Now I hear Democrats saying that John mcCain agrees to this & that.
The Republicans will not consider him the titular head of the party,so I think that he can only deliver John McCain

414 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 2:49:30pm

re: #399 Russkilitlover

Hundreds of billions of dollars and absolutely no oversight, no terms of use, no accounting and no auditing. Congress should be horsewhipped, along with the Bush Administration. Absolutely shameful. OTOH, the bank CEO's are very happy folk these days!

Yep, and the financial wizards keep telling us how good this is for us. Yea, right.

Like I have said before, even some of the most conservative folks I know think it's alright. Then again they have all their money at stake.

Money and personal politics are so easy to drift apart. Bottom line for a lot of people, fuck the country, as long as I don't lose anything.

415 Taqyia2Me  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 2:49:33pm

re: #383 apachegunner

I am proud of my 52" 1080I, plasma tv. It heats the entire room all by itself. You can feel the power of it blowing your hair. I like it best with all the lights in the house turned on and the windows open with the heater blasting. Fuck green!

I pledge to save my pennies and buy one of THOSE just to symbolically flip off the green/libtard/msm cabal!

416 CyanSnowHawk  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 2:50:56pm

re: #412 Fat Jolly Penguin

Cheeky: Porn industry wants a bailout

I love the look on the face of Wormtongue Pelosi that came up right next to that post.

417 JHW  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 2:51:04pm

re: #374 Walter L. Newton

Saw this yesterday on Drudge, the original story was from the LA Times,
New California Energy Regulations to ban certain plasma TVs

LA Times story on flat screen TVs

Higher electricity costs to consumers that don't knuckle under from what I can gather.

418 Fat Jolly Penguin  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 2:51:27pm

re: #416 CyanSnowHawk

I love the look on the face of Wormtongue Pelosi that came up right next to that post.

Malkin uses that picture for every Pelosi post AFAIK.

419 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 2:51:55pm

re: #416 CyanSnowHawk

I love the look on the face of Wormtongue Pelosi that came up right next to that post.

Pr0n & Pelosi - that just ain't right.

420 CyanSnowHawk  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 2:52:17pm

re: #418 Fat Jolly Penguin

Malkin uses that picture for every Pelosi post AFAIK.

And I laugh at it, every time.

421 Render  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 2:52:40pm

[Link: profile.myspace.com...]

FAU Student Contact & Local Boca Raton A.N.S.W.E.R. Emmanuel Lopez: 305-710-xxxx.

===

Charles: The tallest hill in visual range of Beit Lahiya is 108 feet and is due east.

GUNNERS
RULES,
R

422 Kragar  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 2:53:07pm

re: #412 Fat Jolly Penguin

Cheeky: Porn industry wants a bailout

Even though he's a bastard, you still have to admire the chutzpah. Hell, he's probably just doing it to make fun of the other bailouts.

423 opnion  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 2:53:22pm

re: #416 CyanSnowHawk

I love the look on the face of Wormtongue Pelosi that came up right next to that post.

I wonder if she can blink with all of those face lifts.

424 Lange  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 2:53:39pm

They’ve been showing the movie “Heat” on cable with Al Pacino and Robert De Niro.
If that had a part for Joe Pesci in it, it would have been even better.

425 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 2:54:02pm

re: #423 opnion

I wonder if she can blink with all of those face lifts.

She can do it, but it's a stretch.

426 RedHouseBlueState  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 2:54:03pm

Totten dutifully voted for!

427 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 2:54:21pm

re: #417 JHW

Saw this yesterday on Drudge, the original story was from the LA Times,
New California Energy Regulations to ban certain plasma TVs

LA Times story on flat screen TVs

Higher electricity costs to consumers that don't knuckle under from what I can gather.

Ha, when it starts hurting the entertainment industry, in the home capital of entertainment, watch how the moonbats start squaking.

428 faraway  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 2:54:21pm

Wii - Lizard Edition
- preloaded with name and avatar
- can use hands or feet to kick the crap out of trolls
- upding with gusto
- comes with Photoshop preloaded

429 opnion  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 2:54:34pm

re: #425 Who Watches the Watchmen?

She can do it, but it's a stretch.

That was good.

430 faraway  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 2:55:22pm

Optional pink or green models

431 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 2:55:45pm

G'night, Lizards.

432 jcm  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 2:56:18pm

re: #430 faraway

Optional pink or green models

With programmable head bobs.

433 Fat Jolly Penguin  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 2:56:24pm

re: #428 faraway

Wii - Lizard Edition
- preloaded with name and avatar
- can use hands or feet to kick the crap out of trolls
- upding with gusto
- comes with Photoshop preloaded

Comes with a clue-by-four attachment for the remote.

434 GodsOwnGoober  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 2:56:26pm

Voted for Trotten. He's now in the lead with about 33%

435 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 2:56:34pm

re: #401 Walter L. Newton

And has anyone noticed the price of consumer items going down? Of course not. Four to six months ago, when the price of gas was peaking, the price of food and other items went up, fast.

I haven't seen a decrease in any prices (except gas itself). Wonder why?

You might want to switch grocery stores from Albertson's and Safeway there, Walter. I've noticed more than a few food prices dropping in the past few weeks from milk to canned cat food.

436 pingjockey  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 2:56:34pm

Good night BDVM.
Juan Cole should be sent to Gaza to live.

437 Outrider  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 2:56:38pm

re: #417 JHW

Saw this yesterday on Drudge, the original story was from the LA Times,
New California Energy Regulations to ban certain plasma TVs

LA Times story on flat screen TVs

Higher electricity costs to consumers that don't knuckle under from what I can gather.

Hell, they are leftists running things out there, they know the solution. Tax the crap out of any household using an amount over a certain threshold which they will determine is the average a certain sized family should need.

Second step is to add a energy usage tax to the sale of each and every TV or appliance going over a predetermined threshold.

Damn, I'm starting to think like a leftist.
/ ;-)>

438 bulwrk  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 2:57:04pm

re: #423 opnion

I wonder if she can blink with all of those face lifts.

They don't call her Blinky Pelosi for nothing.

439 Digital Display  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 2:57:51pm

re: #430 faraway

Optional pink or green models

Just the green ones..The pink ones haven't evolved yet

440 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 2:58:45pm

re: #435 Honorary Yooper

You might want to switch grocery stores from Albertson's and Safeway there, Walter. I've noticed more than a few food prices dropping in the past few weeks from milk to canned cat food.

I only go to King Soopers (Kroger owned). I always find Alberson and Safeway to be much more pricey than any others.

But, bottom line is, nothing is going down in any meaningful way, not at the speed that they went up.

I'm not surprised, just pissed.

441 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 2:58:49pm

re: #407 Marvo76

so how come the price of gas has risen 20 cents here in central IN in the last three days?

The price of oil went up to $50 over the past few weeks. It's dropped, and should continue dropping if the tensions in Gaza ease up since the economy is supposedly in the toilet. Even the Saudis told Iran to go stick it over a proposed boycott of supporters of Israel by Iran.

442 pingjockey  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 2:59:16pm

WTF!? Brush fires in Colorado, 40 degree temps here on the east slope of the Cascades, snow disappearing, flooding, avalanches. Damn you Manbearpig. Please make a visit to Seattle or Spokane and square the winter weather away.

443 CyanSnowHawk  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 2:59:22pm

re: #417 JHW

Saw this yesterday on Drudge, the original story was from the LA Times,
New California Energy Regulations to ban certain plasma TVs

LA Times story on flat screen TVs

Higher electricity costs to consumers that don't knuckle under from what I can gather.

I read that yesterday. CA has a real problem with it's electrical infrastructure. It's capability is near capacity for the Summer demand. I don't know where people think they are going to be able to plug in their EVs and plugin hybrids when they become available. Electrical generation and distribution capacity is a crisis waiting to happen and it will ripple through the entire economy, making the problems of a few years ago look insignificant in comparison.

444 Last Mohican  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 2:59:30pm

On the subject of the Beit Lahiya photograph... I'm also coming back to those pieces of debris in the air.

It's hard to know how far away from the camera the explosion is, but it's least 100 meters farther away than that sand-colored building that's closest to the middle of the picture. It's unlikely that the pieces of debris in the air would have traveled much closer than the sand-colored building, particularly the one at the very top of the photo, which is partially obscured by the smoke, and therefore is behind the smoke. If that's true, then you can use the sand-colored building for scale. The floors of the building are about 5.5 pixels apart. They must be at least 8 feet apart in real life. The largest piece of debris is, by my measurement, 13.3 pixels in diameter, and between 95 and 143 pixels in altitude, depending on how far back it is. That means that piece of debris is at least 19 feet in diameter, almost certainly bigger, and it's about 138-208 feet in the air.

Is that possible?

445 bulwrk  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 2:59:47pm

re: #423 opnion

The blink off

446 Nevergiveup  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 2:59:49pm

re: #438 bulwrk

They don't call her Blinky Pelosi for nothing.

I just don't know why women are afraid to show they are growing older. Now were did I put that hair dye?

447 hous bin pharteen  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 3:00:02pm

Not being a East Coast city boy, I have not, personally, witness the shit that happened on The One's election day that night. I know the MSM (Main Stream Moonbats) would not have shown anything or reported it either. But having seen stuff on You Tube, it wasn't pretty. Jumping up and down on some else's car roof was "partying" and "celebrating". It looks like rioting. What say you?
It looks like trouble may be brewing for the 20th.

448 Soona'  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 3:00:08pm

re: #435 Honorary Yooper

You might want to switch grocery stores from Albertson's and Safeway there, Walter. I've noticed more than a few food prices dropping in the past few weeks from milk to canned cat food.

Mmmmm. Cat food!
/

449 JHW  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 3:00:17pm

re: #437 Outrider

I believe you're 100% correct on what the approach will be to solve this "problem". The article brought me in mind of the proposed taxes/fees on livestock farts. Next up ... a tax on exhaling, CO2 emissions.
/

450 opnion  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 3:00:52pm

re: #438 bulwrk

They don't call her Blinky Pelosi for nothing.

Ya know there comes a point when ya just have to give it up. She keeps talking about being an Italian "grandmother", but keeps trying to recapture her youth.

451 pingjockey  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 3:01:27pm

re: #444 Last Mohican
Sure. Depends on what it got hit with. A 2000 lb. bomb throws shit everywhere.

452 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 3:01:29pm

re: #442 pingjockey

WTF!? Brush fires in Colorado, 40 degree temps here on the east slope of the Cascades, snow disappearing, flooding, avalanches. Damn you Manbearpig. Please make a visit to Seattle or Spokane and square the winter weather away.

Going to be in the 60's tomorrow, was in the teens over the past weekend. But 40'-50's daytime is normal, in the 20's is normal for the nighttime.

60's is a little high, but it will only be for a day, and then possibly some snow before end of weekend.

453 Russkilitlover  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 3:01:34pm

re: #443 CyanSnowHawk

I read that yesterday. CA has a real problem with it's electrical infrastructure. It's capability is near capacity for the Summer demand. I don't know where people think they are going to be able to plug in their EVs and plugin hybrids when they become available. Electrical generation and distribution capacity is a crisis waiting to happen and it will ripple through the entire economy, making the problems of a few years ago look insignificant in comparison.

I have a photovoltaic system on my roof panels so I'm generating like crazy when it's sunny out (most of the time). But I am hooked to the grid and am not electric independent, I'd need a generator for that. Bucks too big for me.

454 quickjustice  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 3:01:40pm

re: #353 OldLineTexan

Body language of former presidents: Carter's and Bush the Elder's hands are in their pockets, meaning they're hiding something. Clinton's hands are behind his back, meaning he's restraining himself from pushing Obama aside and grabbing the center position for himself. Obama is steepling with his fingers, meaning he's thinking "I'm the smartest guy in the room." W actually has the most open body language. Interesting.

455 bosforus  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 3:02:04pm

re: #449 JHW

I believe you're 100% correct on what the approach will be to solve this "problem". The article brought me in mind of the proposed taxes/fees on livestock farts. Next up ... a tax on exhaling, CO2 emissions.
/

Put CO2 filters in our throats. Catch it before it escapes.

456 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 3:03:19pm

re: #455 bosforus

Put CO2 filters in our throats. Catch it before it escapes.

Then watch the moonbats whine as the plants start to die from lack of CO2.

457 doppelganglander  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 3:03:37pm

re: #443 CyanSnowHawk

I read that yesterday. CA has a real problem with it's electrical infrastructure. It's capability is near capacity for the Summer demand. I don't know where people think they are going to be able to plug in their EVs and plugin hybrids when they become available. Electrical generation and distribution capacity is a crisis waiting to happen and it will ripple through the entire economy, making the problems of a few years ago look insignificant in comparison.

And the last thing they'd ever think of is to improve electricity generating capacity. It might inconvenience a snail darter or something.

458 bosforus  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 3:03:39pm

re: #454 quickjustice

W actually has the most open body language. Interesting.

The spotlight is least on him. If I were him I'd be feeling pretty comfortable too.

459 jcm  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 3:03:51pm

re: #443 CyanSnowHawk

Back before the last big CA energy crises, before Enron. CA re-wrote the energy regs. One of the things they did was go after the energy "monpolies" and made electricity suppliers sell off generation facilities. You are a monoply if you both supply and generate electricity, in CA's thinking.

All suppliers how have to compete on the market for available electrical resources.

460 greenmiler  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 3:03:56pm

snapped shot and others picking up on suspect photo

461 Kragar  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 3:04:13pm

Obama taps spending watchdog, eyes Social Security

Pointing with concern to "red ink as far as the eye can see," President-elect Barack Obama pledged Wednesday to tackle out-of-control Social Security and Medicare spending and named a special watchdog to clamp down on other federal programs — even as he campaigned anew to spend the largest pile of taxpayer money in history to revive the sinking economy.

The steepness of the fiscal mountain he'll face beginning Jan. 20 was underscored by stunning new figures: an estimate that the federal budget deficit will reach $1.2 trillion this year, by far the biggest ever, even without the new stimulus spending.

Every dollar out of my paycheck for Social Security is a dollar I might as well shit on and set on fire.

Wait, that would actually keep me warm during the winter, so they're worth less than that.

462 bulwrk  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 3:04:19pm

re: #450 opnion

My grandmother was a right off the boat NYC Italian and old blinky doesn't come close.

463 Dublin(CA)Dude  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 3:04:22pm

Hey, go vote, we gotta keep cole from winning this. Michael Totten or Israellycool deserves your vote. You can vote once a day, right now Juan Cole is conspiring to win this, we cannot let that happen.

464 pingjockey  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 3:04:31pm

re: #452 Walter L. Newton
Okay. We're like 15-20 degrees over normal. All the mountain passes are closed due to avalanche danger. We had two weeks of normal or below normal temps, then this warm air from the pacific hit and we've got melting snow everywhere. Big damn mess.

465 Marvo76  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 3:05:05pm

re: #443 CyanSnowHawk

add to that the green idiots who think that conservtion will save the day on tha aging infastucture, so no new ones need be built, yet they add to their illegal populations (and demand) daily.

466 Soona'  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 3:05:57pm

re: #455 bosforus

Put CO2 filters in our throats. Catch it before it escapes.

That's it. We'll all have to walk around with mouth-fulls of charcoal.
/it's my idea and nobody's stealing it.

467 jcm  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 3:06:01pm

re: #444 Last Mohican

Roofing material can do that in an explosion. The original shock wave can boost a piece of sheet metal, or similar thin large surface area items a great distance.

468 hous bin pharteen  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 3:06:02pm

re: #437 Outrider

Damn, I'm starting to think like a leftist

Yeah, so KNOCK IT OFF!

469 Last Mohican  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 3:06:22pm

re: #451 pingjockey

Sure. Depends on what it got hit with. A 2000 lb. bomb throws shit everywhere.

And that does appear to be a mighty big explosion. But could it throw 19-foot chunks of debris 200 feet in the air, but produce no pieces of debris at all that were smaller? Shouldn't there be lots of smaller pieces that traveled even higher?

Also, if there was enough force to throw pieces of debris that big so far into the air, wouldn't those buildings in the foreground be affected somehow?

470 [deleted]  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 3:06:36pm
471 jcm  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 3:06:42pm

re: #464 pingjockey

Okay. We're like 15-20 degrees over normal. All the mountain passes are closed due to avalanche danger. We had two weeks of normal or below normal temps, then this warm air from the pacific hit and we've got melting snow everywhere. Big damn mess.

Row, row, row your boat!

472 opnion  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 3:06:53pm

re: #462 bulwrk

My grandmother was a right off the boat NYC Italian and old blinky doesn't come close.


I'm sure.

473 godfrey  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 3:07:15pm

Yah, I need to stockpile daikon radishes.

474 Russkilitlover  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 3:07:25pm

re: #470 ploome hineni

.......if you really want cheaper produce, find a chinese market

huge sometimes exotic selection and often less than 1/2 price

Or find a Winco.

475 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 3:07:25pm

re: #459 jcm

Back before the last big CA energy crises, before Enron. CA re-wrote the energy regs. One of the things they did was go after the energy "monpolies" and made electricity suppliers sell off generation facilities. You are a monoply if you both supply and generate electricity, in CA's thinking.

All suppliers how have to compete on the market for available electrical resources.

They also stopped the distribution utilities from buying long-term contracts. Thus, the suppliers had them by the short hairs.

Can't wait for the 0ne to run our economy and our utilities. No coal; there goes over half our electricity.
And wait till he gets his hands on our health care system. It could prove Michael Moore right - ruin our system so Cuba's looks better.
/

476 UFO TOFU  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 3:08:01pm

OT
I have to share this. One of my employees just won $20k on a scratcher. Nice lady w/3 kids, having hard financial times; I'm surprised she came in for her afternoon shift.

477 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 3:08:21pm

re: #461 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Obama taps spending watchdog, eyes Social Security

Every dollar out of my paycheck for Social Security is a dollar I might as well shit on and set on fire.

Wait, that would actually keep me warm during the winter, so they're worth less than that.

What the hell does the report mean by "out of control Social Security" spending. Does he mean that Social Security is giving the money back to people like they should?

478 godfrey  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 3:08:52pm

re: #475 Kosh's Shadow

No coal; there goes over half our electricity.

"Racist."

479 pingjockey  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 3:09:12pm

re: #460 greenmiler
That is a bullshit pic. I'm no photo recon expert, but that is a crock o' shit.

480 bosforus  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 3:09:13pm

re: #466 Soona'

That's it. We'll all have to walk around with mouth-fulls of charcoal.
/it's my idea and nobody's stealing it.

If that's the case, I'm investing in baking soda. Cause there'll be plenty of it!

481 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 3:09:16pm

re: #464 pingjockey

Where are you?

482 bulwrk  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 3:09:40pm

re: #476 UFO TOFU

After taxes she is lucky to keep 10 grand, nice but wouldn't quit my day job.

483 Killian Bundy  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 3:09:53pm

Deal in Eller case: Felonies dropped, 2 charges remain

Two gross-misdemeanor for Carl after he drove drunk, threatened to kill two police officers and beat the [expletive deleted] out of them.

/no that's good lawyering

484 JHW  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 3:10:11pm

re: #455 bosforus

I hope no bureaucrat gets any ideas on that one.CyanSnowHawk is correct too on the infrastructure/capacity thing. Here in Washington the enviros are trying to get the Feds to remove hydro dams for salmon habitat, and some time ago we had the WPPS fiasco on construction of new nuclear plants which led to one of the biggest bond defaults in history. One plant was finished, the others were gutted and very,very expensive stuff from nearly finished plants was sold to China, pennies on the dollar. What a mess, cost plus, and the plant not too far from where I live was a virtual drug emporium during construction. Now it's partly a call center for on-line tech support.

485 pingjockey  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 3:10:24pm

re: #471 jcm
Y'all getting flooded over on the wet side?

486 Sheila Broflovski  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 3:10:28pm

re: #366 ploome hineni

someone must know this person

who is she?

That's Roseanne Barr.

487 [deleted]  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 3:10:49pm
488 Marvo76  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 3:10:50pm

nope it is giving to much of our money back to the folks that paid in and not enough to those new (illegal) Americans who worked hard to jump the fence....

489 Kragar  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 3:10:53pm

re: #477 Walter L. Newton

What the hell does the report mean by "out of control Social Security" spending. Does he mean that Social Security is giving the money back to people like they should?

2 Words; "Means Test"

Sure you've paid into it your whole life, but you're doing okay according to our federally sponsored report guidlines, so we'll give it to someone else. Thanks for being a responsible citizen, now fuck off so we can give your money to a crack head.

490 pingjockey  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 3:11:24pm

re: #481 Walter L. Newton
Wenatchee, Wa. area. 2 1/2 hours east of Seattle. Dry side of the Cascades.

491 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 3:11:25pm

Mark Levin is playing the tape of this muslim **** on his show right now.

492 Digital Display  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 3:11:30pm

re: #479 pingjockey

That is a bullshit pic. I'm no photo recon expert, but that is a crock o' shit.

I dunno ping..those could be powdered milk containers.. That sh*t really blows up
/

493 Russkilitlover  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 3:11:39pm

re: #477 Walter L. Newton

What the hell does the report mean by "out of control Social Security" spending. Does he mean that Social Security is giving the money back to people like they should?

"We're going to have to jump start this economy," Obama said.

That's the whole problem you dumbass Dem! The government can only tax and spend it can't create or "jump start" anything.

*off to bang my head against the wall*

494 jcm  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 3:11:45pm

re: #485 pingjockey

Y'all getting flooded over on the wet side?

Low areas, Orting had evacuations this morning. Chehalis is gonna' get hit and I-5 will probably be flooded out again.

495 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 3:12:14pm

re: #491 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

Mark Levin is playing the tape of this muslim **** on his show right now.

Sorry, muslim bitch.

496 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 3:12:25pm

re: #489 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

2 Words; "Means Test"

Sure you've paid into it your whole life, but you're doing okay according to our federally sponsored report guidlines, so we'll give it to someone else. Thanks for being a responsible citizen, now fuck off so we can give your money to a crack head.

So, the point is, they want to move the flag again, right?

497 Soona'  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 3:12:30pm

re: #476 UFO TOFU

OT
I have to share this. One of my employees just won $20k on a scratcher. Nice lady w/3 kids, having hard financial times; I'm surprised she came in for her afternoon shift.

She should have signed up for a double shift in order to pay for zero's new economy. Her luck should've happened before New Years.

498 godfrey  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 3:12:43pm

re: #489 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

You make it sound like giving it to a crack head is bad or something. That sh*t is expensive!

499 pingjockey  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 3:13:11pm

re: #492 HoosierHoops
Damn, what are they putting in baby formula these days?

500 Dianna  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 3:13:16pm

re: #496 Walter L. Newton

So, the point is, they want to move the flag again, right?

Don't they always?

501 Marvo76  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 3:13:20pm

re: #493 Russkilitlover

"We're going to have to jump start this economy," Obama said.

That's the whole problem you dumbass Dem! The government can only tax and spend it can't create or "jump start" anything.

*off to bang my head against the wall*

I would send them a copy of atlas shrugged, but they would probably use it for toilet paper....

502 godfrey  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 3:13:39pm

I wonder if there's a sub-prime crack market.

503 doppelganglander  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 3:13:56pm

re: #470 ploome hineni

.......if you really want cheaper produce, find a chinese market

huge sometimes exotic selection and often less than 1/2 price

My husband loves our big Asian market. He likes to cook Thai and Indian food, but we also find ordinary American fruits and veggies at amazing prices. My mom tells me there's an Amish market near her (NJ) that has the most gorgeous meat and produce also at great prices.

504 [deleted]  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 3:14:05pm
505 pingjockey  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 3:15:00pm

re: #504 ploome hineni
Quiet! We're having hamburger helper!

506 Sheila Broflovski  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 3:15:05pm

re: #374 Walter L. Newton

OT

No link, I heard this on Paul Harvey, but here's something to whack your moonbat friends with. LCD and plasma screen TV's are like BIG energy hogs. I mean 10 to 100 times more energy usage than a normal TV screen.

Maybe Harvey archives his reports or maybe he got it from some source that you can find online.

So, if you have any moonbat friends with a Prius and a plasma, talk to them for me.

I heard on Rush, that the Escalade is more "earth friendly" than the Prius, and he provided statistics. It's in the archives of Rushlimbaugh.com but I'm not a premium subscriber.

507 opnion  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 3:15:08pm

re: #489 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

2 Words; "Means Test"

Sure you've paid into it your whole life, but you're doing okay according to our federally sponsored report guidlines, so we'll give it to someone else. Thanks for being a responsible citizen, now fuck off so we can give your money to a crack head.


Obama has a problem with the very document that he will swear to defend , the U.S Constitution.
In an NPR radio interview when he was a state senator he complained that the Costitution only limited government power & didn't enumerate it's duties, like economic justce. Whatever could he mean?

508 JHW  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 3:16:09pm

re: #494 jcm

I just got an automated call from the Grays Harbor county emergency services warning of floods and urging moving livestock to high ground. I live in the very north of the county, not at low elevation, but anywhere around the Chehalis valley might get a bit dampish. I haven't heard anything about the Skokomish valley, that river seems to flood every time there's a heavy dew.

509 doppelganglander  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 3:16:09pm

re: #502 godfrey

I wonder if there's a sub-prime crack market.

Crack dealers have better sense than to provide product to people who can't pay for it.

510 [deleted]  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 3:16:15pm
511 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 3:16:16pm

re: #500 Dianna

Don't they always?

I know, I'm being obvious, just for shits and giggles. What the hell else can I do anymore?

512 Dianna  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 3:18:15pm

re: #511 Walter L. Newton

I know, I'm being obvious, just for shits and giggles. What the hell else can I do anymore?

I have no idea. You're already in the hills.

513 Render  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 3:18:20pm
Youtube Video

2,000lber.

GONE
HUNTING,
R

514 Age Of Freedom  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 3:18:57pm

re: #460 greenmiler

snapped shot and others picking up on suspect photo

I don't think this image is fake in a sense of photoshopped, and I'm also not entirely convinced it's an image from the lebanon war in summer 06.

It's just that there are no mountains near or around around Gaza strip or even the western part of the Negev.

This could be a mere coincidence and that these are the mountains in the background are of the southern tail of Judea Mountains.

515 Kragar  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 3:19:20pm

re: #507 opnion

Obama has a problem with the very document that he will swear to defend , the U.S Constitution.
In an NPR radio interview when he was a state senator he complained that the Costitution only limited government power & didn't enumerate it's duties, like economic justce. Whatever could he mean?

It means he doesnt understand the purpose of the Constitution.

Two words I'm thinking of for Obama's America, "Opt Out"

516 jcm  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 3:19:27pm

re: #479 pingjockey

That is a bullshit pic. I'm no photo recon expert, but that is a crock o' shit.

I'm not so sure. The telephoto distance compression messes with the image, but that's normal with a telephoto shot. The big pieces way up in the air are consistent with roofing material being lifted the initial shock wave. The lighting is consistent with a shot looking to the north.

The terrain seems more consistent with S. Lebanon than Gaza. I've been looking at Gaza topo maps but nothing definitive.

517 Soona'  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 3:19:29pm

re: #509 doppelganglander

Crack dealers have better sense than to provide product to people who can't pay for it.

Plus, if someone can't pay, they have a very efficient collection process.

518 Silhouette  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 3:19:40pm

re: #507 opnion

he complained that the Costitution only limited government power ... Whatever could he mean?

At least it shows that he understands it.

Because that is what it does. Limits the few things the gov can do. And he is complains about the basic idea behind the US of A.

519 doppelganglander  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 3:19:42pm

re: #510 ploome hineni

if you really want to save money, use a slow cooker

beans, barley ,legumes

a little bone or two..some veges..spice it up

fabulous

I did a big pot of pinto beans a couple months ago and froze most of it. I also found a wonderful Pennsylvania Dutch sweet pepper relish that is just like Mom used to make (literally, she used to make that). Throw together some cornbread and you've gone to heaven.

520 [deleted]  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 3:19:43pm
521 Digital Display  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 3:20:08pm

re: #499 pingjockey

Damn, what are they putting in baby formula these days?

I dunno..maybe we should ask the Chinese

522 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 3:20:09pm

re: #503 doppelganglander

My husband loves our big Asian market. He likes to cook Thai and Indian food, but we also find ordinary American fruits and veggies at amazing prices. My mom tells me there's an Amish market near her (NJ) that has the most gorgeous meat and produce also at great prices.

I save money by making up big pots of vegetable soups. Throw all kinds of veggies in, broth, spices, what ever suits my fancy. I use frozen stuff, because that seems to be the cheapest. I'll keep that pot and add to it as I use it, cooking it down bit riches the flavor.

Sort of a vegetarian version of a hunters stew.

523 jcm  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 3:21:44pm

re: #508 JHW

I just got an automated call from the Grays Harbor county emergency services warning of floods and urging moving livestock to high ground. I live in the very north of the county, not at low elevation, but anywhere around the Chehalis valley might get a bit dampish. I haven't heard anything about the Skokomish valley, that river seems to flood every time there's a heavy dew.

Lot of flood warnings at NOAA.

524 doppelganglander  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 3:21:46pm

re: #517 Soona'

Plus, if someone can't pay, they have a very efficient collection process.

True. Worse than the IRS, but only because the IRS can't actually kill you.

525 jwb7605  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 3:22:21pm

re: #452 Walter L. Newton

Going to be in the 60's tomorrow, was in the teens over the past weekend. But 40'-50's daytime is normal, in the 20's is normal for the nighttime.

60's is a little high, but it will only be for a day, and then possibly some snow before end of weekend.

It's the winds. Check your Radio (KOA) ... there are at least two serious fires in north Boulder right now.

526 opnion  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 3:22:50pm

re: #515 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

It means he doesnt understand the purpose of the Constitution.

Two words I'm thinking of for Obama's America, "Opt Out"

No he does not understand it. He spent his high school & college years reading Marxists & radicals. As I listen to him it sounds to me like he believes that his mission is to equalize wealth.

527 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 3:23:07pm

re: #512 Dianna

I have no idea. You're already in the hills.

Sort of. I know some people just 40 minutes west of here that are really off the grid, on purpose. But they did it after they had the money to make it work.

I do try to live like I'm further up, careful on the food, always looking to conserve, won't turn down a free meal or snack. Yes, I will make handy use of zip locks. I will do odd jobs when needed. I will pick a penny off the street.

Anything that works.

528 Soona'  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 3:23:23pm

re: #524 doppelganglander

True. Worse than the IRS, but only because the IRS can't actually kill you.

Yeah. But you know they want to.

529 pingjockey  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 3:23:59pm

re: #516 jcm
Hmm. You may be right, but the scale seems whacked. That is a very large explosion. I saw one of the battleships during GWI shooting at Iraqi positions and those are huge explosions.

530 Sunlight  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 3:24:06pm

re: #380 bosforus

Now let's work on putting LGF on top of best conservative blog.

I agree. Now a question about Michael Totten... I love his blog and columns on Commentary, City Journal, etc. In his post about Cole being ahead in the blog voting, did Michael insinuate that he is a neocon?

531 doppelganglander  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 3:24:16pm

re: #522 Walter L. Newton

I save money by making up big pots of vegetable soups. Throw all kinds of veggies in, broth, spices, what ever suits my fancy. I use frozen stuff, because that seems to be the cheapest. I'll keep that pot and add to it as I use it, cooking it down bit riches the flavor.

Sort of a vegetarian version of a hunters stew.

Sounds good. You can use seasonal fresh veggies, too. Later in the week we are having a Moroccan stew of butternut squash, chickpeas and other stuff.

532 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 3:24:34pm

re: #525 jwb7605

It's the winds. Check your Radio (KOA) ... there are at least two serious fires in north Boulder right now.

I know about the Boulder fires. Ninety Three is a mess today. That's a highway I like to show visitors on a windy day, they just can't believe the winds across the flats.

533 Pietr  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 3:26:00pm

OT: Joe the Plumber has a new 'Temporary' job....

Joe the Plumber

534 opnion  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 3:26:12pm

re: #518 Silhouette

At least it shows that he understands it.

Because that is what it does. Limits the few things the gov can do. And he is complains about the basic idea behind the US of A.

He does understand the document, but misses the point.

535 pcalver  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 3:26:36pm

Lizard POWER!
That is all.

536 avanti  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 3:26:47pm

re: #507 opnion

Obama has a problem with the very document that he will swear to defend , the U.S Constitution.
In an NPR radio interview when he was a state senator he complained that the Costitution only limited government power & didn't enumerate it's duties, like economic justce. Whatever could he mean?

Here's a link about the interview and what was said.,link

537 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 3:27:02pm

re: #531 doppelganglander

Sounds good. You can use seasonal fresh veggies, too. Later in the week we are having a Moroccan stew of butternut squash, chickpeas and other stuff.

And most clear broth soups are really good for a diet. And if you need to freshen it up with some meat, low fat turkey sausage and stuff like that will add enough meat flavor to satisfy most people.

I'm not a vegetarian, but I eat very little red meat. Just too expensive.

538 pingjockey  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 3:27:11pm

re: #533 Pietr
He'll do better than anyone on the alphabet channels.

539 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 3:27:36pm

BBIAB - shower time. Got to get ready for work.

540 albusteve  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 3:27:58pm

re: #507 opnion

Obama has a problem with the very document that he will swear to defend , the U.S Constitution.
In an NPR radio interview when he was a state senator he complained that the Costitution only limited government power & didn't enumerate it's duties, like economic justce. Whatever could he mean?

we all know now dont we?....I'm 56...had several businesses one of which made me some money...I've been taxed and retaxed...I put my kids through school on my dime...I gave money away...paid outrageous capital gains and inheritance taxes...
this summer I had my leg chopped to smitherenes and have not worked since july and still face more recovery...I went to the SS for some relief in the form of temp disability and they laughed me right out of the office...after all I've given and all the citizenship I've expressed they scorned me and wont even give me an allowance of my own money...I hate the feds

541 Soona'  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 3:28:00pm

re: #534 opnion

He does understand the document, but misses the point.

He understands the document,.......and hates it.

542 greenmiler  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 3:28:13pm

re: #514 Age Of Freedom

I'm not sure its fake either, just suspect; to bad that journalism has reached such a low in this world that one has to wonder whether items are legit or not. The libs and the MSM are the sick enabling parents of Hamas, the kid down the street that tortures animals and lights fires because he can; the parents will always get him off and make excuses for him, blaming the victims, trying to convince the neighbors and the cops that he wouldn't act that way if he wasn't being 'picked on'; makes me sick

543 JHW  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 3:28:37pm

re: #523 jcm

I use this site a lot, pretty comprehensive and links to all kinds of information, including live cams, satellites, etc.
Weather Underground

The Chehalis basin looks like it's going to get it pretty good, you're probably riht about I-5 becoming a mess near Centralia/Chehalis.

544 winston06  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 3:29:14pm

Done. Got him three other votes too

545 bosforus  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 3:29:15pm

re: #530 Sunlight

I agree. Now a question about Michael Totten... I love his blog and columns on Commentary, City Journal, etc. In his post about Cole being ahead in the blog voting, did Michael insinuate that he is a neocon?

Nah, I think Totten was speaking as if he were Cole. That is, saying that Cole believes he (Cole) is up against the "neocons" (the others in the pol).

546 Only The Lurker Knows  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 3:29:19pm

re: #523 jcm

You're linking back to this page.

547 winston06  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 3:29:59pm

Where is Michael Yon blog

548 winston06  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 3:30:35pm

email your friends and tell them to vote for Michael Totten blog

549 Silhouette  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 3:30:40pm

re: #534 opnion

He does understand the document, but misses the point.

When they say 'justice' they are always talking about making people equal at the finish line, not making sure everyone is equal at the starting line.

550 debutaunt  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 3:30:41pm

re: #539 Walter L. Newton

BBIAB - shower time. Got to get ready for work.

Everybody! In one minute, turn on your hot water faucets!

551 [deleted]  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 3:30:52pm
552 pingjockey  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 3:30:59pm

Dirty Harry Reid already giving the obambi shit about how the donks in congess don't work for the one. It's gonna be an even bigger cluster fuck than I imagined it could be.

553 greenmiler  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 3:31:06pm

re: #547 winston06

I agree Winston he should have been there somewhere

554 bosforus  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 3:31:17pm

re: #484 JHW

I hope no bureaucrat gets any ideas on that one.CyanSnowHawk is correct too on the infrastructure/capacity thing. Here in Washington the enviros are trying to get the Feds to remove hydro dams for salmon habitat, and some time ago we had the WPPS fiasco on construction of new nuclear plants which led to one of the biggest bond defaults in history. One plant was finished, the others were gutted and very,very expensive stuff from nearly finished plants was sold to China, pennies on the dollar. What a mess, cost plus, and the plant not too far from where I live was a virtual drug emporium during construction. Now it's partly a call center for on-line tech support.

Well, at least we'll have fish when any number of countries that actually develops energy decides they want us.

555 pingjockey  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 3:31:36pm

re: #550 debutaunt
And flush all the toilets in your house.

556 Haverwilde  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 3:31:36pm

It has been fascinating watching the vote tallies. Two hours ago Cole was still well ahead. Two minutes ago Totten has taken a huge lead.
It is good to see Charles flex his Lizard Clout. Well Done, Sir!

557 Sunlight  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 3:32:35pm

re: #545 bosforus

Nah, I think Totten was speaking as if he were Cole. That is, saying that Cole believes he (Cole) is up against the "neocons" (the others in the pol).

That's what I came up with too. But I was just wondering...

558 pingjockey  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 3:32:49pm

Too much gorebull warming for the Iditarod races. Way to much snow.

559 jcm  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 3:33:02pm

re: #529 pingjockey

Hmm. You may be right, but the scale seems whacked. That is a very large explosion. I saw one of the battleships during GWI shooting at Iraqi positions and those are huge explosions.

I'm not convinced either way at this point.

Distance compression, means the vertical dimensions of near and far objects are not affected much by parallax. Average floor height of a building is around 4m (13ft) (rough numbers). That renders a cloud height of around 60m (200ft) above the ridge line. Not really that big of a blast.

I'm not arguing, just thinking things through.

560 [deleted]  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 3:33:19pm
561 opnion  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 3:33:21pm

re: #536 avanti

Here's a link about the interview and what was said.,link

I did hear the interview & it was not Limbaugh. It was replayed on a local Chicago radio program. Nowhere did I hear Obama reject the Costitution in general, but he did lament that there was no provision for 'Economic Jusitice" That tells me that he misses the point

562 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 3:33:30pm

re: #542 greenmiler

Don't trust, but verify.

563 Killian Bundy  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 3:33:31pm

re: #551 grassrootsrally

Probably not a real good idea to link that blog here.

/just sayin'

564 Dianna  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 3:33:37pm

re: #527 Walter L. Newton

Sort of. I know some people just 40 minutes west of here that are really off the grid, on purpose. But they did it after they had the money to make it work.

I do try to live like I'm further up, careful on the food, always looking to conserve, won't turn down a free meal or snack. Yes, I will make handy use of zip locks. I will do odd jobs when needed. I will pick a penny off the street.

Anything that works.

I've been doing that most of my life. At some point, I'd like to know what it feels like not to scrimp.

However, Heinlein had a very, very sound piece of advice: Budget the luxuries first! I always allow for the things I really don't feel like living is worthwhile without - books.

565 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 3:33:52pm

re: #551 grassrootsrally

Hamas wired the school to blow up ahead of the attack:
[Link: atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com...]

Consider the source.

566 UFO TOFU  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 3:34:23pm

re: #540 albusteve

Damn, I'm sorry to hear that.

567 pingjockey  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 3:34:41pm

re: #559 jcm
You bet. It just looks odd. It's sad really, 20 years ago we'd of believed any picture by the AP.

568 Fat Jolly Penguin  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 3:34:42pm

re: #560 buzzsawmonkey

They were thinking about re-doing the auction because of that little creep. I don't know if they did or not.

569 Dianna  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 3:35:31pm

re: #540 albusteve

I do the payroll.

I finish, every month, muttering, "Thieves! Robbers!"

570 opnion  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 3:36:10pm

re: #540 albusteve

we all know now dont we?....I'm 56...had several businesses one of which made me some money...I've been taxed and retaxed...I put my kids through school on my dime...I gave money away...paid outrageous capital gains and inheritance taxes...
this summer I had my leg chopped to smitherenes and have not worked since july and still face more recovery...I went to the SS for some relief in the form of temp disability and they laughed me right out of the office...after all I've given and all the citizenship I've expressed they scorned me and wont even give me an allowance of my own money...I hate the feds

I am sorry to hear what they are doing to you. You enriched the treasury & now you are getting screwed because you are not a member of a favored group.

571 invictus1  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 3:36:18pm

re: #565 Who Watches the Watchmen?

Consider the source.

I heard that said on CBC during an interview with an Israeli general as well - yesterday, I believe.

572 CyanSnowHawk  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 3:36:43pm

re: #438 bulwrk

They don't call her Blinky Pelosi for nothing.

And if Reid is The Pain.

It's Blinky and The Pain

They're Blinky and The Pain
Yes, Blinky and The Pain
Neither is a genius
Both might be insane.
They're legislative mice
Their ethics have been diced
They're dinky
They're Blinky and The Pain, Pain, Pain, Pain
Pain, Pain, Pain, Pain
Pain.

Before Congress is done
Their plans will be unveiled
By the banging of the gavel
Your life it will unravel.

They're Blinky and The Pain
Yes, Blinky and The Pain
Their election campaigns
Are easy to explain.
To fill their campaign coffers
They'll make outrageous offers
They're dinky
They're Blinky and The Pain, Pain, Pain, Pain
Pain, Pain, Pain, Pain
Narf!

573 Silhouette  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 3:37:02pm

re: #564 Dianna

At some point, I'd like to know what it feels like not to scrimp.

I've met my lifetime definition of wealthy: when I order a pizza, I order as many toppings as I want regardless of cost.

574 jcm  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 3:37:44pm

re: #546 Bubblehead II

You're linking back to this page.

D'oh!

NOAA WA advisory page.

575 bosforus  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 3:37:58pm

re: #551 grassrootsrally

Hamas wired the school to blow up ahead of the attack:
[Link: atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com...]

Unless I read that article incorrectly, it was "rigged" in the sense that it was a weapons stash. I didn't read anything in the article saying that it was "rigged" in the sense of being "wired".

576 debutaunt  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 3:38:29pm

re: #573 Silhouette

I've met my lifetime definition of wealthy: when I order a pizza, I order as many toppings as I want regardless of cost.

We dream of ordering pizza.

577 albusteve  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 3:38:36pm

re: #566 UFO TOFU

Damn, I'm sorry to hear that.

I have some money...but I want some back...who wouldnt...you cannot trust the federal govt...it is so complicated and compartmentalize...taxes are off the scale...I've paid and paid...

578 winston06  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 3:38:58pm

got two more for Totten

579 wrenchwench  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 3:39:01pm

re: #536 avanti

Bzzzzzt! That's Media Matters. Try again. Have you listened to the recording of what Obama actually said?

Youtube Video
580 pingjockey  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 3:39:26pm

re: #572 CyanSnowHawk
Bravo!

581 jcm  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 3:39:29pm

re: #567 pingjockey

You bet. It just looks odd. It's sad really, 20 years ago we'd of believed any picture by the AP.

The age of Photoshop.

582 doppelganglander  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 3:40:07pm

re: #573 Silhouette

I've met my lifetime definition of wealthy: when I order a pizza, I order as many toppings as I want regardless of cost.

LOL! I feel I've arrived because I can order a real beverage other than water. And if substituting the baked potato for fries is a dollar more, hang the cost!

583 Silhouette  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 3:40:43pm

re: #576 debutaunt

We dream of ordering pizza.

This raises the question of why I was wasting money on a 2-topping pizza in college if I didn't even have enough in the world to pay for a 3-topping pizza. I should have made a sandwich.

584 pingjockey  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 3:40:44pm

re: #581 jcm
Yep, and the age of the msm shilling for murderous animals.

585 Pietr  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 3:40:44pm

OT again: Pakistani minister fired-for admitting Pakistan links to Mumbai....

Pakistan/India

586 wiffersnapper  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 3:41:01pm

will he demand a recount if he loses?

587 jcm  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 3:41:02pm

Record floods likely as damaging waters inundate towns

Emergency crews are already scrambling to assist with evacuations in neighborhoods inundated by rising floodwaters, and most area rivers are not expected to crest until Thursday morning.

Hydrologists are predicting record flood levels on the Chehalis, Cowlitz, Puyallup, Stillaguamish and Carbon rivers. These are the same areas where massive flooding in December 2007 cut off towns for days and caused millions in damage.

State transportation Secretary Paula Hammond expects floodwaters will close Interstate 5 at Centralia sometime this evening or afternoon.

588 bosforus  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 3:41:18pm

re: #567 pingjockey

You bet. It just looks odd. It's sad really, 20 years ago we'd of believed any picture by the AP.

Good thing WE invented Photoshop and recognize our own handiwork.
:)

589 UFO TOFU  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 3:41:50pm

re: #577 albusteve

Yeah, it really kind of hammers the work ethic for me.

590 opnion  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 3:41:55pm

Good night lizards. I am going to shlep up to my room & order room service& try to find something on T.V.
This life of travel is so damn glamorous!

591 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 3:42:25pm

re: #550 debutaunt

Everybody! In one minute, turn on your hot water faucets!

What the hell happened?

592 pingjockey  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 3:42:26pm

re: #588 bosforus
Mwahahaha!

593 Aye Pod  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 3:42:49pm

Glad to see Michael Totten in the lead - he'd have been my first choice anyway.

594 bosforus  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 3:42:52pm

re: #592 pingjockey

Mwahahaha!

Suckers.

595 albusteve  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 3:43:09pm

re: #587 jcm

Record floods likely as damaging waters inundate towns

cross your fingers for some colder weather...floods can be devastating

596 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 3:43:33pm

re: #590 opnion

Good night lizards. I am going to shlep up to my room & order room service& try to find something on T.V.
This life of travel is so damn glamorous!

I'll trade you for your decent paying job any day.

597 Silhouette  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 3:43:58pm

re: #591 Walter L. Newton

What the hell happened?

Are you back already?

There's no way you got behind your ears in that time. Get back in there, young man.

/mom

598 jwb7605  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 3:44:14pm

re: #556 Haverwilde

It has been fascinating watching the vote tallies. Two hours ago Cole was still well ahead. Two minutes ago Totten has taken a huge lead.
It is good to see Charles flex his Lizard Clout. Well Done, Sir!

It's not just Charles.
You need to get out more.

599 pingjockey  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 3:45:13pm

re: #594 bosforus
They think they're so damn clever. Those asshats are about as subtle as a 2 x 4 alongside a moonbat skull.

600 albusteve  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 3:45:33pm

re: #589 UFO TOFU

Yeah, it really kind of hammers the work ethic for me.

every time I have mixed it up with the feds they kicked my ass like I was some kind of moron...I have been threatened and intimidated...jailed once...they are merciless...I hate the feds

601 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 3:46:13pm

re: #551 grassrootsrally

Hamas wired the school to blow up ahead of the attack:
[Link: atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com...]

Well, the big explosions were secondary; the IDF said it was due to booby traps.

602 jwb7605  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 3:46:17pm

re: #595 albusteve

cross your fingers for some colder weather...floods can be devastating

Cold weather after a flood sounds even worse.

603 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 3:46:35pm

re: #597 Silhouette

Are you back already?

There's no way you got behind your ears in that time. Get back in there, young man.

/mom

I don't waste any water. I don't use any.

604 [deleted]  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 3:47:22pm
605 bosforus  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 3:47:32pm

Israellycool is closing in on Cole.
Israellycool: 22.2
Infidel Comment: 22.6

606 Sunlight  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 3:47:36pm

re: #593 Jimmah

Glad to see Michael Totten in the lead - he'd have been my first choice anyway.

His blog has always been fantastic. But even if he wouldn't say he's a "neocon", I am glad to see him get less soft on rockets as time goes on. And I guess I'm hoping eventually he'll get less soft on people teaching their children that their "grievances" warrant firing those rockets (or excluding people from trade, etc.).

607 albusteve  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 3:47:36pm

re: #602 jwb7605

Cold weather after a flood sounds even worse.

cooler weather will slow down the melt off...a fast melt of there can really ruin your day...very trecherous

608 Wyatt Earp  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 3:47:37pm

re: #599 pingjockey

They think they're so damn clever. Those asshats are about as subtle as a 2 x 4 alongside a moonbat skull.

Are we allowed to do that now?

//

609 Wyatt Earp  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 3:47:54pm

re: #603 Walter L. Newton

I don't waste any water. I don't use any.

So you're French?

610 pingjockey  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 3:48:42pm

re: #608 Wyatt Earp
Sure, just don't get caught!

611 Charles Johnson  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 3:48:51pm

Possibly another photo of that explosion in Beit Lahia from a different angle:

[Link: www.daylife.com...]

612 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 3:48:55pm

re: #604 buzzsawmonkey

You wash in single-malt whisky?

Don't I wish. Not any more. You know I stopped almost three years ago. My stepping out drink was scotch, my at home drink was Micky's Wide Mouth's and Southern.

613 Wyatt Earp  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 3:49:09pm

re: #610 pingjockey

Sure, just don't get caught!

So I can do it in Philly? I hear those detectives are pretty dumb.

614 Sunlight  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 3:49:31pm

re: #603 Walter L. Newton

I don't waste any water. I don't use any.

OMG thanks for the warning.
/

615 avanti  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 3:49:38pm

re: #561 opnion

I did hear the interview & it was not Limbaugh. It was replayed on a local Chicago radio program. Nowhere did I hear Obama reject the Costitution in general, but he did lament that there was no provision for 'Economic Jusitice" That tells me that he misses the point

Ok, a fair difference of opinion. he said Constitution does not address economic justice and he felt the civil rights movements use of the courts was a mistake since it is not a issue the Constitution addresses. He felt they should have should have spent more time attacking the problem at it's core then expect the courts to do it. I took that as a slam at the civil rights movements use of the courts, not of the Constitution.

616 Joo-LiZ  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 3:49:45pm

Aid requested from Muqata:

Can anyone prove this image has been doctored?

617 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 3:50:06pm

re: #609 Wyatt Earp

So you're French?

Ah, yes, on my mothers side, Crozat and Eason. From Toulouse area, 1650's.

618 Charles Johnson  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 3:50:43pm

That's a different photographer too, for Reuters:

Image: r4042507505.jpg

619 Taqyia2Me  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 3:50:46pm

Is it just me or does the mere sound of Mort Kondracky's (sp?) voice grate like Harry Reid, Nancy Pelosi, Dick Turban, Barney Fwank and the Blessed Annointed Messiah Obama?

620 Lynn B.  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 3:51:08pm

re: #616 Joo-LiZ

Aid requested from Muqata:

Can anyone prove this image has been doctored?

See (many) comments above.

621 Soona'  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 3:51:16pm

re: #581 jcm

The age of Photoshop.

The age of contemporary MSM.

622 Lynn B.  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 3:51:50pm

re: #611 Charles

Possibly another photo of that explosion in Beit Lahia from a different angle:

[Link: www.daylife.com...]

Different date.

623 Charles Johnson  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 3:51:51pm

That definitely looks like the same explosion shot from the other side.

624 albusteve  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 3:51:53pm

re: #616 Joo-LiZ

Aid requested from Muqata:

Can anyone prove this image has been doctored?

the flying debris looks way to big and unnatural...

625 Silhouette  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 3:52:01pm

re: #614 Sunlight

OMG thanks for the warning.
/

A guy I know said the other day, "I can't remember the last time I had a bath." He meant instead of a shower, but it was funny.

626 Only The Lurker Knows  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 3:52:12pm

Here we go again.

Salmonella outbreak sickens 388 across U.S.: CDC

The U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is trying to trace the source of the outbreak, which began in September. The Department of Agriculture, state health officials and the Food and Drug Administration are also involved.

And we are just now hearing about this? Did I miss a news flash?

/Our Government at work

627 pingjockey  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 3:52:23pm

re: #613 Wyatt Earp
Hmmm. I thought you were a detective?!

628 Lynn B.  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 3:52:28pm

re: #622 Lynn B.

Different date.

Ooops. No, it's not.

/never mind

629 Racer X  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 3:52:31pm

re: #603 Walter L. Newton

I don't waste any water. I don't use any.

Baby wipe bath?

630 Charles Johnson  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 3:53:03pm

Compare the shapes of the cloud. Same explosion.

631 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 3:53:18pm

re: #629 Racer X

Baby wipe bath?

Now you're getting personal.
/

632 doppelganglander  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 3:53:25pm

Remember that talk earlier today about a possible LGF pin-up calendar? Here's a girl who's doing it and donating the proceeds to veterans hospitals. Bonus: Retro 1940's cuteness.

California Woman Raises Troop Morale, Funds With 'Pin-Ups for Vets' Calendar

633 Wyatt Earp  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 3:53:32pm

re: #627 pingjockey

Hmmm. I thought you were a detective?!

Tee hee hee!

634 Age Of Freedom  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 3:54:10pm

re: #542 greenmiler

I'm not sure its fake either, just suspect; to bad that journalism has reached such a low in this world that one has to wonder whether items are legit or not. The libs and the MSM are the sick enabling parents of Hamas, the kid down the street that tortures animals and lights fires because he can; the parents will always get him off and make excuses for him, blaming the victims, trying to convince the neighbors and the cops that he wouldn't act that way if he wasn't being 'picked on'; makes me sick

Oh it's way worse. That kid has managed to convince everyone with his repeated lies and rhetorical BS that he is actually the ultimate victim.

635 pingjockey  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 3:54:12pm

re: #623 Charles
I think you are correct.

636 Wyatt Earp  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 3:54:25pm

re: #617 Walter L. Newton

Ah, yes, on my mothers side, Crozat and Eason. From Toulouse area, 1650's.


Wow. Shot in the dark!

637 albusteve  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 3:54:50pm

re: #630 Charles

Compare the shapes of the cloud. Same explosion.

agreed but the airborne debris looks kinda strange...what would be the point of shopping that part of it?

638 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 3:54:50pm

re: #630 Charles

Compare the shapes of the cloud. Same explosion.

Certainly is. My next question would be, how does two photographers get a shot of the same explosion, at about the same time, from two different locations.

Pretty lucky, I say.

639 doppelganglander  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 3:55:04pm

re: #626 Bubblehead II

Here we go again.

Salmonella outbreak sickens 388 across U.S.: CDC

The U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is trying to trace the source of the outbreak, which began in September. The Department of Agriculture, state health officials and the Food and Drug Administration are also involved.

And we are just now hearing about this? Did I miss a news flash?

/Our Government at work

Could be the tomato scare. Wasn't that around the same time? I thought they traced that to cheaper, undocumented tomatoes from Guadalajara.

640 Spare O'Lake  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 3:55:10pm

URGENT: You can legally vote more than once.

Voting Rules
Polls close January 12, 2009.
You may vote once every 24 hours in each poll.
After voting in an individual poll you will be locked out from voting again in that poll (on the computer you voted from) for 24 hours.
Each poll has its own separate 24 hour lockout control. Voting in, for example, Best Blog will not lock you out of voting in other categories
[Link: 2008.weblogawards.org...]

641 Age Of Freedom  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 3:55:11pm

re: #618 Charles

That's a different photographer too, for Reuters:

[Link: news.yahoo.com...]

Wow good find. Yes, it does looks like it.

Damn so that was a long ass lens.

642 Soona'  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 3:55:14pm

re: #603 Walter L. Newton

I don't waste any water. I don't use any.

Ah. You dry clean yourself. Keeps the wrinkles under control.
//

643 Bloodnok  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 3:55:14pm

re: #623 Charles

That definitely looks like the same explosion shot from the other side.

I agree. The pattern on the lower left of the Reuters photo is just too close to the lower right of the Muqata photo.

644 jcm  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 3:55:19pm

re: #607 albusteve

cooler weather will slow down the melt off...a fast melt of there can really ruin your day...very trecherous

We're getting the double whammy. 3 week of heavy snow in the hills. Now the Pineapple Express (warm wet off the Pacific) is raising the freezing level in the hills and dumping 24" of rain in two days.

645 Mike in Georgia  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 3:55:57pm

re: #637 albusteve

Looks like roofing material to me.

646 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 3:56:05pm

re: #632 doppelganglander

Remember that talk earlier today about a possible LGF pin-up calendar? Here's a girl who's doing it and donating the proceeds to veterans hospitals. Bonus: Retro 1940's cuteness.

California Woman Raises Troop Morale, Funds With 'Pin-Ups for Vets' Calendar

I'm in, I got some pics! I do anything for publicity.

647 christheprofessor  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 3:56:05pm

re: #625 Silhouette

A guy I know said the other day, "I can't remember the last time I had a bath." He meant instead of a shower, but it was funny.

Sorta like the time I said I couldn't remember the last time I was tied up. They thought I was talking about my slack schedule...

/

648 Charles Johnson  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 3:56:10pm

Looks like a giant explosion. I don't think it's strange that two wire service photographers would shoot photos at close to the same time. Must have been shortly after it happened for that stuff to still be in the air.

649 pingjockey  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 3:56:10pm

re: #633 Wyatt Earp
Are you a Iggles fan?

650 invictus1  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 3:56:11pm

re: #623 Charles

That definitely looks like the same explosion shot from the other side.

I think, that in this photo, second building from the right, you can see on the far left side of this one on the other side.

Plus, the cloud and debris are practically the same, just flipped...

651 jwb7605  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 3:56:51pm

re: #616 Joo-LiZ

Aid requested from Muqata:

Can anyone prove this image has been doctored?

Don't know much about doctoring, but the explosions look to be "mirror images", and taken from a different angle. Meaning one photo is from one side (south, for reference), the other photo from the north, then.

Which, of course, means both photos were snapped at nearly identical points in time.

Note how exactly the same debris appears at the same position.

I have a "time of day" problem, too, but that could be a number of things.

652 jcm  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 3:57:06pm

re: #623 Charles

That definitely looks like the same explosion shot from the other side.

The other photos perspective would put the photog on one of those tall buildings, likely to the left in that image.

653 Taqyia2Me  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 3:57:10pm

I really dig this NRO article and its kudos to Charles and the Lizard Nation!

[Link: article.nationalreview.com...]

654 albusteve  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 3:57:28pm

re: #644 jcm

We're getting the double whammy. 3 week of heavy snow in the hills. Now the Pineapple Express (warm wet off the Pacific) is raising the freezing level in the hills and dumping 24" of rain in two days.

I well remember the Big Thompson Canyon flood when I lived in CO....man o man I tell you living near the lower slopes of a mountain can kill you....very scary

655 Outrider  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 3:57:32pm

re: #624 albusteve

the flying debris looks way to big and unnatural...

Don't know. A large explosion and the damnedest things will take to the air. I've seen a tank turret go flying way in the air with enough incentive. So pieces of metal roof flying a hundred odd feet in the air is nothing. And they would account for the odd shapes that make the debris look so bulky.

656 Wyatt Earp  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 3:57:45pm

re: #649 pingjockey

Are you a Iggles fan?

Not at all. I will be if/when they get rid of McNabb and Andy Reid. I grew up a Broncos fan.

657 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 3:58:09pm

re: #640 Spare O'Lake

URGENT: You can legally vote more than once.

Not only that, if you own more than one computer, you can vote from each computer. I already have.

658 debutaunt  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 3:58:35pm

re: #646 Walter L. Newton

I'm in, I got some pics! I do anything for publicity.

Maybe 'freshen up' a bit first.

659 albusteve  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 3:59:06pm

re: #645 Mike in Georgia

Looks like roofing material to me.

I dunno...those chunks appear to be huge...like maybe hundreds of sq ft...the perspective doesnt seem right

660 Wyatt Earp  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 3:59:11pm

re: #657 EmmmieG

Not only that, if you own more than one computer, you can vote from each computer. I already have.

Israellycool is behind Cole by .10 points. Keep it up!

661 avanti  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 3:59:34pm

re: #579 wrenchwench

Bzzzzzt! That's Media Matters. Try again. Have you listened to the recording of what Obama actually said?


[Video]

OK, you took something from the edited, partial interview clip, and saw it from a different prospective then media matters did. It a right left thing, fair enough, but media matters nails the left too.

662 Bloodnok  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 3:59:43pm

re: #648 Charles

Looks like a giant explosion. I don't think it's strange that two wire service photographers would shoot photos at close to the same time. Must have been shortly after it happened for that stuff to still be in the air.

Which is why it could be secondary. Missile impact, both photographers turn for a shot, Blammo.

663 Last Mohican  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 4:00:02pm

re: #648 Charles

Looks like a giant explosion. I don't think it's strange that two wire service photographers would shoot photos at close to the same time. Must have been shortly after it happened for that stuff to still be in the air.

The same explosion being photographed by two photographers, from different organizations, would seem to suggest that it really is what it claims to be, no?

664 albusteve  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 4:01:40pm

re: #655 Outrider

Don't know. A large explosion and the damnedest things will take to the air. I've seen a tank turret go flying way in the air with enough incentive. So pieces of metal roof flying a hundred odd feet in the air is nothing. And they would account for the odd shapes that make the debris look so bulky.

the roof are probably concrete...maybe covered with some kind of sheet stock to repel water....it doesnt look natural....is there such a thing?

665 jcm  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 4:01:53pm

re: #648 Charles

Looks like a giant explosion. I don't think it's strange that two wire service photographers would shoot photos at close to the same time. Must have been shortly after it happened for that stuff to still be in the air.

From the cloud developement, it's a few seconds into the event, enough time for a photog to aim and shoot when the first flash of the explosion got their attention.

Afghanistan disposal event.

Liveleak Video

For comparison.

Gotta run....

666 _RememberTonyC  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 4:02:40pm

today would have been the 64th birthday of the man whom I honor in my screen name:

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

I know most of you don't care, but any Red Sox fan over the age of 50 loved Tony C.

667 jcm  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 4:03:18pm

re: #654 albusteve

I well remember the Big Thompson Canyon flood when I lived in CO....man o man I tell you living near the lower slopes of a mountain can kill you....very scary

I knew a couple of the Campus Crusade for Christ people that died in that. My Uncle was Bill Bright's assistant at the time. Visited the memorial a couple years ago when we visited my sister in CO.

668 JHW  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 4:03:37pm

I'm looking around for various munitions explosion photos, namely something that involves secondary explosions , arms caches, etc. Anyway I found these at the Army Corps of Engineers website showing demolition of lots of Saddam's stuff. Very interesting photos.
Demolitions in Iraq

669 Digital Display  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 4:04:29pm

re: #666 _RememberTonyC

today would have been the 64th birthday of the man whom I honor in my screen name:

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

I know most of you don't care, but any Red Sox fan over the age of 50 loved Tony C.

I remember as a little kid seeing the pitch that hit him in the eye...

670 Mike in Georgia  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 4:04:37pm

re: #659 albusteve

Just speculating but a tarred roof with felt in it is awful hard
to tear apart. Especially if it has been re-tarred several times.
Without seeing it before the explosion, I'm just guessing.

671 FrogMarch  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 4:04:41pm

Roger that.

672 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 4:04:43pm

BBL

Out of here. off to work. Final dress tonight, preview tomorrow night, open on Friday.

673 Charles Johnson  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 4:04:54pm

re: #663 Last Mohican

The same explosion being photographed by two photographers, from different organizations, would seem to suggest that it really is what it claims to be, no?

Yes, I think it settles it. Not a fake.

674 Spare O'Lake  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 4:05:07pm

re: #660 Wyatt Earp

Israellycool is behind Cole by .10 points. Keep it up!

If every Lizard votes for LGF every day until the 12th then LGF should win. These are the rules of the poll so let's use them - is there any reason to think the competition has not been voting in this way?
Am I missing something?

675 albusteve  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 4:05:25pm

re: #666 _RememberTonyC

today would have been the 64th birthday of the man whom I honor in my screen name:

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

I know most of you don't care, but any Red Sox fan over the age of 50 loved Tony C.

I remember him and further I shook hands with Ted Williams when he managed the...the...who did he manage?...Washington?....it was in Detroit maybe 66/67

676 Hobbes  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 4:05:59pm

OT...God, I hate Illinois politicians. Just heard Dick Durbin on the radio. It's not exactly what he says, but how he says it. The patronizing A..hole!
Okay, that felt better. Not quite so irritated. I will now go vote No.

677 Age Of Freedom  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 4:06:13pm

re: #665 jcm

From the cloud developement, it's a few seconds into the event, enough time for a photog to aim and shoot when the first flash of the explosion got their attention.

Afghanistan disposal event.

[Video]

For comparison.

Gotta run....

That video makes a great reference to the explosion in that photo. It shows how far high the huge chunks of apartments flew up to the sky.

678 _RememberTonyC  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 4:06:20pm

re: #669 HoosierHoops

I remember as a little kid seeing the pitch that hit him in the eye...

Thanks HoosierHoops ... I was listening on the radio that night when it happened ... it was one of the great tregedies in American sports history.

679 The Mongoose  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 4:06:59pm

My skepticism is fading. The photo appears to be legit, I am still looking for some explosion footage to see how fast that cloud could form (ie fast enough for the debris to still be in the air).

680 Wyatt Earp  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 4:07:14pm

re: #674 Spare O'Lake

If every Lizard votes for LGF every day until the 12th then LGF should win. These are the rules of the poll so let's use them - is there any reason to think the competition has not been voting in this way?
Am I missing something?

Nope, that about covers it. You can vote from different computers as well. As long as it's legal - We're not Democrats - we can put LGF over the top.

681 pingjockey  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 4:07:17pm

Later folks. Y'all have a fine evening.

682 _RememberTonyC  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 4:08:25pm

re: #675 albusteve

I remember him and further I shook hands with Ted Williams when he managed the...the...who did he manage?...Washington?....it was in Detroit maybe 66/67

I went to Ted Williams' Baseball Camp for two years in the early 1970's ... he was TRULY larger than life. I remember asking him for his autograph, and I still have it almost 40 years later.

683 Only The Lurker Knows  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 4:08:39pm

re: #630 Charles

Some of the larger pieces of debris are also the same. Such as the "flag" rising out of the cloud in the first picture, The piece of debris with a "tail" pointing up in the first picture to the left of the "flag" and the "v" shaped piece of debris in the first picture are also seen in the second picture. The clouds though isn't exactly the same. I think the AP photo was take later (5-10 seconds) later the the Reuters photo as it is higher.

684 wrenchwench  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 4:08:46pm

re: #615 avanti

re: #661 avanti

Here's the clip from the same interview where Obama says the constitution is flawed.

Youtube Video
685 albusteve  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 4:09:31pm

re: #667 jcm

I knew a couple of the Campus Crusade for Christ people that died in that. My Uncle was Bill Bright's assistant at the time. Visited the memorial a couple years ago when we visited my sister in CO.

just a stunning thing...I remember it flooding in Denver that afternoon and when we heard about the flood up there it was just hard to believe....terrific power...I left but drove back up a few years later when they got a new road in and and it was completely different...nothing remained except towards the very top...just awsome...sorry to hear about those losses bro

686 Age Of Freedom  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 4:09:47pm

re: #679 The Mongoose

My skepticism is fading. The photo appears to be legit, I am still looking for some explosion footage to see how fast that cloud could form (ie fast enough for the debris to still be in the air).

It's proven completely legit.
And for the reference check out post 665 by JCM

687 Charles Johnson  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 4:09:49pm

I'm no expert but that looks like it might have been one of the IAF's 500-pound bombs or similar.

688 jwb7605  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 4:09:54pm

re: #683 Bubblehead II

Some of the larger pieces of debris are also the same. Such as the "flag" rising out of the cloud in the first picture, The piece of debris with a "tail" pointing up in the first picture to the left of the "flag" and the "v" shaped piece of debris in the first picture are also seen in the second picture. The clouds though isn't exactly the same. I think the AP photo was take later (5-10 seconds) later the the Reuters photo as it is higher.

AP and Reuters have the Palis surrounded!

689 Only The Lurker Knows  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 4:10:03pm

re: #639 doppelganglander

That was earlier.

From the same link.

There have been several recent high-profile outbreaks of foodborne illness in the United States, including a strain of Salmonella carried by peppers from Mexico and that sickened 1,400 people from April to August of 2007 and an E. coli epidemic in 2006, traced to California spinach, that killed three.

690 _RememberTonyC  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 4:10:24pm

Charles ... if you are still on line ... what is the beef with Atlas Shrugged?

691 Sharmuta  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 4:10:52pm

I voted for Mr. Totten.

692 invictus1  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 4:11:18pm

re: #683 Bubblehead II

Some of the larger pieces of debris are also the same. Such as the "flag" rising out of the cloud in the first picture, The piece of debris with a "tail" pointing up in the first picture to the left of the "flag" and the "v" shaped piece of debris in the first picture are also seen in the second picture. The clouds though isn't exactly the same. I think the AP photo was take later (5-10 seconds) later the the Reuters photo as it is higher.

Personally, this photo (at the top) seems a lot stranger to me...

693 Marvo76  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 4:11:54pm

re: #560 buzzsawmonkey

Since people are talking "environment," check this out:


This clown went into the land rights auction and intentionally bid up the prices on oil leases that he had no intention or capability of paying for, in order to "increase the costs" to the people who outbid him, so that the price of oil would rise.

Scroll down on the Takeaway site to find this article, and the embedded YouTube video. (I can't figure out how to get the vid from its current embed to put it here.)

seems to me he should be charged with defrauding the government then right?

694 Guanxi88  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 4:12:16pm

re: #690 _RememberTonyC

Charles ... if you are still on line ... what is the beef with Atlas Shrugged?

I don't claim to be the Overlord, but the gist of it is that she doesn't seem to have a problem supporting political efforts by certain "nationalist" parties in Europe in general, Belgium in particular. Some of these allies in the counter-jihad movement are at least as bad as anybody from Stormfront. Think David Duke, but with a better suit.

695 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 4:12:25pm

Can I tag in here somewhere? Nothing smart to say, but I am combining two of my favorite things...
1. LGF.
2. I am in a bar.

696 Truck Monkey  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 4:12:42pm

re: #692 invictus1

Personally, this photo (at the top) seems a lot stranger to me...

Looks like someone burned the breakfast huh?

697 grassrootsrally  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 4:13:11pm

re: #563 Killian Bundy

Maybe so, but, apparently, this is some missing information. You aren't for curbing first amendment rights are you? Someone else already posted about the conflict. Don't shoot the messenger because you don't like the message. But, if you are just dissing the messenger, I'll assume you are too lazy to read most links, preferring to make a problem.

698 Only The Lurker Knows  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 4:13:14pm

re: #692 invictus1

The shadowed buildings in the foregrond with well lit buildings in the background?

699 UFO TOFU  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 4:13:41pm

re: #695 Fat Bastard Vegetarian


2. I am in a bar.

GM and Silver Bullets?

700 albusteve  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 4:13:46pm

re: #682 _RememberTonyC

I went to Ted Williams' Baseball Camp for two years in the early 1970's ... he was TRULY larger than life. I remember asking him for his autograph, and I still have it almost 40 years later.

that's bigtime amigo...I was a hayseed over to the big city with the school team...BP was over and my buddies went off and just hung out and lo and behold up the dugout steps pops the big guy...I asked and he turned and shook my hand and said a few things...I was stunned!...he was very friendly to me...I met Ed Sullivan one time too...another story...

701 _RememberTonyC  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 4:13:52pm

re: #694 Guanxi88

I don't claim to be the Overlord, but the gist of it is that she doesn't seem to have a problem supporting political efforts by certain "nationalist" parties in Europe in general, Belgium in particular. Some of these allies in the counter-jihad movement are at least as bad as anybody from Stormfront. Think David Duke, but with a better suit.

Thanks Guanxi88 ... sometimes the enemy of my enemy is NOT my friend, eh?

702 mikeymom  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 4:13:53pm

i am in longmont, co--north east of boulder--i can see the fires in the foothills from my back deck--it is moving so fast because of the high winds--its scary and sad

703 The Mongoose  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 4:14:09pm

Attached: Link to video of a controlled detonation of a large car bomb. Note how fast the mushroom cloud goes up, and how there's debris at the same level.

I'm sold on the photo.

Youtube Video
704 Kenneth  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 4:14:10pm

Great... Israelicool has pulled ahead of Informed Comment, and Michale Totten is way out front! Suck eggs Jaun!

705 Truck Monkey  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 4:14:13pm

re: #694 Guanxi88

I don't claim to be the Overlord, but the gist of it is that she doesn't seem to have a problem supporting political efforts by certain "nationalist" parties in Europe in general, Belgium in particular. Some of these allies in the counter-jihad movement are at least as bad as anybody from Stormfront. Think David Duke, but with a better suit.


I remember when she posted here all the time. I guess I've been around a long time.

706 debutaunt  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 4:14:14pm

re: #695 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Can I tag in here somewhere? Nothing smart to say, but I am combining two of my favorite things...
1. LGF.
2. I am in a bar.

Vegetables - barley and hops.

707 Render  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 4:15:21pm

The reason I linked the video of the 2000lber is that (AFAIK) Israel doesn't use anything larger.

Now a 2000lber makes for a very large explosion, and sometimes does cause the mushroom cloud effect.

But...

The explosion seen in those pictures seems quite a bit larger then a standard 2000 pound bomb.

===

I still don't think that photo is from the Gaza Strip region. The topography is all wrong.

As an aside; minus the explosion, that sure doesn't look much like a refugee camp either...

NOW
I
COOK,
R

708 _RememberTonyC  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 4:15:39pm

re: #700 albusteve

that's bigtime amigo...I was a hayseed over to the big city with the school team...BP was over and my buddies went off and just hung out and lo and behold up the dugout steps pops the big guy...I asked and he turned and shook my hand and said a few things...I was stunned!...he was very friendly to me...I met Ed Sullivan one time too...another story...

the kids in his camp were really intimidated by him! and I was too. but I figured if I was one of his campers, he wouldn't kill me or anything :)

709 Guanxi88  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 4:15:47pm

re: #705 Truck Monkey

Yes, it's a shame, really, but it does happen.

710 invictus1  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 4:15:53pm

re: #698 Bubblehead II

The shadowed buildings in the foregrond with well lit buildings in the background?

Yes.

711 Bloodnok  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 4:16:21pm

re: #695 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Can I tag in here somewhere? Nothing smart to say, but I am combining two of my favorite things...
1. LGF.
2. I am in a bar.

Don't add a 3rd or you could be arrested.

712 Marvo76  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 4:16:34pm

re: #626 Bubblehead II

they didn't want anyone to know the salmon was bad
(////)

713 Guanxi88  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 4:16:50pm

re: #711 Bloodnok

Don't add a 3rd or you could be arrested.

What, they lock you up for having a burger?

714 Wyatt Earp  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 4:16:55pm

re: #711 Bloodnok

Don't add a 3rd or you could be arrested.

3. He's wearing a Snugggie.

715 _RememberTonyC  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 4:17:53pm

re: #700 albusteve

ok ... what's the ed sullivan story?

716 Bloodnok  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 4:17:56pm

re: #714 Wyatt Earp

3. He's wearing a Snugggie.

Clever bastard.

717 avanti  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 4:18:17pm

re: #684 wrenchwench

re: #661 avanti

Here's the clip from the same interview where Obama says the constitution is flawed.


[Video]

As was pointed out, it was flawed when it came to civil rights issues being discussed. He was not alone in so stating, here's one from GW on correcting that flaw:

* In July 8, 2003, remarks made at Goree Island in Senegal, Bush said that the "moral vision" of abolitionists "caused Americans to examine our hearts, to correct our Constitution, and to teach our children the dignity and equality of every person of every race." He added: "The racial bigotry fed by slavery did not end with slavery or with segregation. And many of the issues that still trouble America have roots in the bitter experience of other times."

718 Wyatt Earp  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 4:18:24pm

re: #716 Bloodnok

Clever bastard.

Thank you!

719 Digital Display  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 4:18:58pm

re: #682 _RememberTonyC

I went to Ted Williams' Baseball Camp for two years in the early 1970's ... he was TRULY larger than life. I remember asking him for his autograph, and I still have it almost 40 years later.

I sat next to the great Yankee Clipper on front street in SF at an Ali fight..I was just so blown away I wouldn't stop talking to him and got him to give me his autograph..He was a great player and a wonderful person..
BTW.. it wasn't too long before Joe's handlers separated Him from our little party.
/ I shook the hand of the guy married to Marilyn Monroe..
Unlike Walter..I did wash my hands afterwords..LOL

720 CyanSnowHawk  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 4:19:03pm

re: #638 Walter L. Newton

Certainly is. My next question would be, how does two photographers get a shot of the same explosion, at about the same time, from two different locations.

Pretty lucky, I say.

It would be next to impossible for one photographer to do so.

721 Soona'  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 4:19:52pm

re: #714 Wyatt Earp

3. He's wearing a Snugggie.

3. He's drinking a Shirley Temple.

722 Age Of Freedom  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 4:19:57pm

OT:

Precision Airstrikes on Hamas Terror Targets:

Youtube Video

Good new video, showcasing the Islamic terrorist cowards

723 Render  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 4:20:28pm

re: #697 grassrootsrally

This is a private blog. Don't make the mistake of assuming you, (or anybody else), have any First Amendment rights here.

NACHTMUSIK,
R

724 grassrootsrally  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 4:20:31pm

re: #575 bosforus

Weapons involve wires at times.

725 Only The Lurker Knows  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 4:20:43pm

Now this is totally F**cked up.

Army apologizes for "Dear John Doe" letters

The letters, printed by a contractor and mailed in December, were intended to inform family members about private organizations that offer assistance to those who have lost relatives in Operation Iraqi Freedom and Operation Enduring Freedom.

726 bosforus  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 4:20:51pm

re: #673 Charles

Yes, I think it settles it. Not a fake.

But how long before two photos ain't enough?
Just sayin'.

727 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 4:21:01pm

re: #699 UFO TOFU

Yep.

728 Wyatt Earp  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 4:21:48pm

re: #721 Soona'

3. He's drinking a Shirley Temple.

3.5. He's making out with a woman named Shirley Temple.

729 albusteve  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 4:21:49pm

re: #708 _RememberTonyC

the kids in his camp were really intimidated by him! and I was too. but I figured if I was one of his campers, he wouldn't kill me or anything :)

nah...they are just guys...I jumped the bleacher barriers at Comisky Park during the twinighter one time...NY was coming out and it was a race between MM and the guard guys...I won...Mantle came out to center and took a toss or two...I was right up above him and yelled "Hey Mick!" he stopped and looked around then turned towards me up there all alone and with a big smile doffed his cap to me!

730 apachegunner  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 4:21:52pm

HEY! re: #695 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Can I tag in here somewhere? Nothing smart to say, but I am combining two of my favorite things...
1. LGF.
2. I am in a bar.

731 Charles Johnson  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 4:22:14pm

re: #690 _RememberTonyC

Start here:

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

Gets worse from there.

732 albusteve  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 4:22:46pm

re: #719 HoosierHoops

I sat next to the great Yankee Clipper on front street in SF at an Ali fight..I was just so blown away I wouldn't stop talking to him and got him to give me his autograph..He was a great player and a wonderful person..
BTW.. it wasn't too long before Joe's handlers separated Him from our little party.
/ I shook the hand of the guy married to Marilyn Monroe..
Unlike Walter..I did wash my hands afterwords..LOL

awsome dude...just awsome

733 _RememberTonyC  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 4:22:53pm

re: #719 HoosierHoops

I sat next to the great Yankee Clipper on front street in SF at an Ali fight..I was just so blown away I wouldn't stop talking to him and got him to give me his autograph..He was a great player and a wonderful person..
BTW.. it wasn't too long before Joe's handlers separated Him from our little party.
/ I shook the hand of the guy married to Marilyn Monroe..
Unlike Walter..I did wash my hands afterwords..LOL

great story! I have spent my life working in the sports world and met many hall of famers from all of the major sports. most were very nice, but a few were real dicks. long ago, I lost my innocence when it came to idol worship, but the one athlete who truly disappointed me was Willie Mays. I adored him as a kid, but when I interacted with him as an adult, he could not have been a bigger jerk.

734 Soona'  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 4:23:26pm

re: #728 Wyatt Earp

3.5. He's making out with a woman named Shirley Temple.

3.8 He's dressed like Shirley Temple.

735 bosforus  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 4:23:27pm

re: #725 Bubblehead II

Now this is totally F**cked up.

Army apologizes for "Dear John Doe" letters

The letters, printed by a contractor and mailed in December, were intended to inform family members about private organizations that offer assistance to those who have lost relatives in Operation Iraqi Freedom and Operation Enduring Freedom.

"It blamed a printing error for the mix-up."
Geesh, they really take people for idiots don't they?
Because, you know, the computer not only turned itself on but it also typed up its own form, forgot to enter a name, printed its own document which then folded itself and put itself in an envelope, addressed itself, and took itself to the post office.
Frickin' computers!

736 _RememberTonyC  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 4:24:09pm

re: #731 Charles

Start here:

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

Gets worse from there.

thanks Charles, I will look at all of it. Nice job on Prager today!

737 CyanSnowHawk  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 4:24:25pm

re: #690 _RememberTonyC

Charles ... if you are still on line ... what is the beef with Atlas Shrugged?

She got real nasty towards Charles over the Vlaams Belang thing.

738 Wyatt Earp  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 4:25:20pm

re: #734 Soona'

3.8 He's dressed like Shirley Temple.

WINNER, WINNER, CHICKEN DINNER!

I can't top that! LOL

739 ArchangelMichael  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 4:25:32pm

re: #701 _RememberTonyC

Thanks Guanxi88 ... sometimes the enemy of my enemy is NOT my friend, eh?

The 'enemy of my enemy is my friend' idea has gotten many people/countries in a lot of trouble throughout recent history.

Aside from the blind eye toward Euro-neofascists, I think AS was strongly advancing asinine nirth certifikit moonbattery as well.

740 albusteve  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 4:26:18pm

re: #733 _RememberTonyC

great story! I have spent my life working in the sports world and met many hall of famers from all of the major sports. most were very nice, but a few were real dicks. long ago, I lost my innocence when it came to idol worship, but the one athlete who truly disappointed me was Willie Mays. I adored him as a kid, but when I interacted with him as an adult, he could not have been a bigger jerk.

I bumped into Steve Garvey at a trade show once and got right in his pretty face and told him he was over rated and to fuck off....he was shocked!...what an asshole he was that day...

741 Outrider  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 4:26:29pm

re: #664 albusteve

the roof are probably concrete...maybe covered with some kind of sheet stock to repel water....it doesnt look natural....is there such a thing?

I seem to recall most roofs over there being some kind of stucco or cement. But, I also saw most of the industrial buildings had sheet metal roofs. If the bomb had hit a house or apartment house, I would say it was concrete (or the stucco type material), but on the outskirts of town? I would say it was an industrial building and a metal roof.

It all seems pointless to photoshop this particular photo. It's dramatic, but then so are the legit photos. But then, most of their photoshopping seems pointless anyway.

742 USBeast  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 4:26:32pm

re: #730 apachegunner

HEY!

Bully for you. Now if you can find a hot little someone to pay for your drinks...

743 apachegunner  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 4:27:16pm

I wonder :>) re: #742 USBeast

Bully for you. Now if you can find a hot little someone to pay for your drinks...

744 grassrootsrally  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 4:27:28pm

re: #690 _RememberTonyC

He's not fond of the nirth certificate babble. My link was not related to that subject.

745 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 4:27:28pm

Bars are good.

746 albusteve  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 4:27:37pm

re: #741 Outrider

I seem to recall most roofs over there being some kind of stucco or cement. But, I also saw most of the industrial buildings had sheet metal roofs. If the bomb had hit a house or apartment house, I would say it was concrete (or the stucco type material), but on the outskirts of town? I would say it was an industrial building and a metal roof.

It all seems pointless to photoshop this particular photo. It's dramatic, but then so are the legit photos. But then, most of their photoshopping seems pointless anyway.

I agree...pitch it and move to the next one

747 Bobblehead  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 4:27:38pm

re: #714 Wyatt Earp

3. He's wearing a Snugggie.


Question. Don't those Snuggies look like something you'd see a cult member wearing in a bad B movie?

748 JHW  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 4:27:51pm

Photo of Royal Australian Air Force F-111 missile strike at Woomera test range. AGM 142E (Raptor) missile. Helluva big explosion and lots of debris above and around the missile strike.
Australian Air Force Missile Test

749 Guanxi88  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 4:27:56pm

re: #744 grassrootsrally

He's not fond of the nirth certificate babble. My link was not related to that subject.

See, I wasn't even going to go there.

750 Sharmuta  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 4:27:58pm

re: #739 ArchangelMichael

The 'enemy of my enemy is my friend' idea has gotten many people/countries in a lot of trouble throughout recent history.

Aside from the blind eye toward Euro-neofascists, I think AS was strongly advancing asinine nirth certifikit moonbattery as well.

And then there was the "0bama is Malcolm X's love child" theory she floated.

751 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 4:28:14pm

Would you please start putting your responses below the line...sheesh! re: #743 apachegunner

I wonder :>)

752 Render  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 4:28:27pm

500lb bomb.

[Link: www.break.com...]

2000lb bomb.

[Link: www.break.com...]

ANY
QUESTIONS?,
R

753 apachegunner  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 4:28:43pm

re: #751 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Would you please start putting your responses below the line...sheesh!


I like it on top, sometimes :>)

754 Bloodnok  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 4:28:44pm

re: #740 albusteve

I bumped into Steve Garvey at a trade show once and got right in his pretty face and told him he was over rated and to fuck off....he was shocked!...what an asshole he was that day...

Considering the number of paternity suits against him I think he took your advice that day.

755 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 4:28:49pm

re: #742 USBeast

Bully for you. Now if you can find a hot little someone to pay for your drinks...

I have that problem all the time.

/I married her 26 years ago, though.

756 Sharmuta  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 4:28:58pm

re: #744 grassrootsrally

Just some advice- you'll make no friends here by linking to pamela. Just sayin'.

757 Spare O'Lake  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 4:29:01pm

re: #728 Wyatt Earp

3.5. He's making out with a woman named Shirley Temple Lola.

Couldn't resist, just kidding of course./

758 apachegunner  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 4:29:08pm

re: #750 Sharmuta
hello sharmuta

759 albusteve  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 4:29:12pm

re: #748 JHW

Photo of Royal Australian Air Force F-111 missile strike at Woomera test range. AGM 142E (Raptor) missile. Helluva big explosion and lots of debris above and around the missile strike.
Australian Air Force Missile Test

nice comparison...that ices it I guess

760 Silhouette  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 4:29:14pm

Shirley Temple Black is a great American, and I don't care if she's 120, any male lizard would be lucky to make out with her.

/rant

761 grassrootsrally  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 4:29:20pm

re: #723 Render

I was on topic, don't twist my meaning.

762 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 4:29:23pm

re: #757 Spare O'Lake

Good 'un!

763 Sharmuta  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 4:29:24pm

re: #758 apachegunner

Good evening!

764 avanti  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 4:29:26pm

re: #735 bosforus

"It blamed a printing error for the mix-up."
Geesh, they really take people for idiots don't they?
Because, you know, the computer not only turned itself on but it also typed up its own form, forgot to enter a name, printed its own document which then folded itself and put itself in an envelope, addressed itself, and took itself to the post office.
Frickin' computers!

That's probably close to what happened. Someone didn't program the word processing program to add the name from the address field and sent the disk to the printers where it was printed, folded and stuck in a envelope automatically by machine. Someone dropped the ball in the software.

765 wrenchwench  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 4:29:36pm

re: #717 avanti

Obama was talking about the constitution's inability to remedy economic "injustice," in addition to political injustice. That's what he said the courts hadn't done, and what we "still suffer from." He now has (or really soon will have) the opportunity to address that issue legislatively, as he desired back in 2001. He got a head start on a platter when the Big Bailout passed.

766 Soona'  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 4:29:45pm

re: #738 Wyatt Earp

WINNER, WINNER, CHICKEN DINNER!

I can't top that! LOL

Thank you. Thank you.
//looking over shoulder for Fat Bastard

767 Sheila Broflovski  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 4:29:58pm

re: #626 Bubblehead II

Here we go again.

Salmonella outbreak sickens 388 across U.S.: CDC

The U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is trying to trace the source of the outbreak, which began in September. The Department of Agriculture, state health officials and the Food and Drug Administration are also involved.

And we are just now hearing about this? Did I miss a news flash?

/Our Government at work

Food workers not washing their hands after going to the bathroom.

768 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 4:30:14pm

UK Muslims demand appeasement, threaten violence.....
Gaza conflict fuelling anger in UK, Muslims warn Brown


Anger within Britain's Muslim communities over the Gaza conflict has reached "acute levels of intensity" that could have repercussions for national security, leading Muslims will warn Gordon Brown today.

In a letter to the prime minister, representatives of Muslim organisations will say the Israeli government's use of "disproportionate force" to combat threats to its security has "revived extremist groups" and "empowered their message of violence and perennial conflict".
...
The letter adds: "As you are aware, the anger within UK Muslim communities has reached acute levels of intensity. The Israeli government's use of disproportionate force ... has revived extremist groups and empowered their message of violence and perennial conflict. For Muslims in the UK and abroad, we run the risk of potentially creating a loss of faith in the political process."
...
In what was described as a testy meeting, several representatives told Rammell that the government's position on Gaza could provoke terrorist attacks in Britain. One of those present was Dr Hany el-Banna, youth worker and co-founder and president of the charity Islamic Relief. He told the Guardian: "We are all working tirelessly to try and cool them down. I am telling them to change and bring something positive, but they see these images and they trigger extremist thoughts in the simplest individuals. Many millions of people will see these images in the media, what do you think the affect will be?

"The government is responsible for the country and its foreign policy. I don't want something to happen here."


Heh.

769 apachegunner  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 4:30:22pm

re: #763 Sharmuta

Good evening!


ahhhhh, good evening *spoken with a sweeping bow"

770 Outrider  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 4:30:43pm

re: #747 Bobblehead

Question. Don't those Snuggies look like something you'd see a cult member wearing in a bad B movie?

only if filmed in a hospital setting. They have no backs do they? ;-)>

771 Killian Bundy  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 4:30:52pm

re: #697 grassrootsrally

Maybe so, but, apparently, this is some missing information. You aren't for curbing first amendment rights are you? Someone else already posted about the conflict. Don't shoot the messenger because you don't like the message. But, if you are just dissing the messenger, I'll assume you are too lazy to read most links, preferring to make a problem.

Suit yourself, keep linking it.

/I hear Stormfront's a good blog to link to also

772 UFO TOFU  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 4:31:03pm

re: #727 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

My latest attempt at staying hydrated during preparations for Sunday brunch:
Fill a flute 3/4 with champagne, add orange juice to color, and a shot of Grand Marnier!

773 _RememberTonyC  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 4:31:50pm

re: #740 albusteve

I bumped into Steve Garvey at a trade show once and got right in his pretty face and told him he was over rated and to fuck off....he was shocked!...what an asshole he was that day...

LOL! When I covered baseball in the early-mid 1980's, Garvey was still a big name. But he really WAS a phony. He was very cordial with the media, and had many of us fooled into thinking he was a good guy. But then he started banging (and knocking up) anything that moved (including a CNN producer), his true character was revealed. That is why I tell my kids that athletes are not role models. All these athletes need to do is smile pretty and the media eats it up and turns them into gods.

774 albusteve  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 4:31:56pm

re: #754 Bloodnok

Considering the number of paternity suits against him I think he took your advice that day.

his hair looked like plastic and I think he had make up on his pretty face...whatever

775 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 4:32:35pm

re: #772 UFO TOFU

My latest attempt at staying hydrated during preparations for Sunday brunch:
Fill a flute 3/4 with champagne, add orange juice to color, and a shot of Grand Marnier!

You could do a Fred Sanford. Champagne and Ripple.

Champtipple!

776 bosforus  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 4:32:48pm

re: #764 avanti

Too easy to forget the importance of eyes these days.
But you're right, as I typed it it seemed more and more plausible.

777 Digital Display  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 4:32:53pm

re: #733 _RememberTonyC

great story! I have spent my life working in the sports world and met many hall of famers from all of the major sports. most were very nice, but a few were real dicks. long ago, I lost my innocence when it came to idol worship, but the one athlete who truly disappointed me was Willie Mays. I adored him as a kid, but when I interacted with him as an adult, he could not have been a bigger jerk.

When i was really young..my dad took me to see Jesse Owens.. I heard him and was just blown away.. I got his autograph and shook his hand.
I met Bart Starr..Hell of a nice guy.
I met Steve Wright last year at Camp Pendleton.. He is retired now from the Cowboys but he spends his free time counseling married couples when a spouse returns from deployment...
/Funny story..When i met him and shook his hand he goes ' I know you dude!' I beamed...
My kid told me he tells that to alot of people..LOL

778 Bobblehead  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 4:33:25pm

re: #770 Outrider

only if filmed in a hospital setting. They have no backs do they? ;-)>


Sounds like a plot from a Robin Cook novel

779 Soona'  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 4:33:27pm

re: #760 Silhouette

Shirley Temple Black is a great American, and I don't care if she's 120, any male lizard would be lucky to make out with her.

/rant

Gees!
/hanging head

780 apachegunner  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 4:33:40pm

hiya Hoops! re: #777 HoosierHoops

781 Outrider  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 4:33:47pm

re: #764 avanti

That's probably close to what happened. Someone didn't program the word processing program to add the name from the address field and sent the disk to the printers where it was printed, folded and stuck in a envelope automatically by machine. Someone dropped the ball in the software.

And the supervisor who should have proofed the finals before getting mailed. Nothing that slovenly done would ever have left my office when I worked in the S3 shop.

782 Wyatt Earp  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 4:34:07pm

re: #747 Bobblehead

Question. Don't those Snuggies look like something you'd see a cult member wearing in a bad B movie?

A few days ago, someone said it makes you lok like a deranged monk. Funniest comparison ever!

783 albusteve  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 4:34:09pm

re: #773 _RememberTonyC

LOL! When I covered baseball in the early-mid 1980's, Garvey was still a big name. But he really WAS a phony. He was very cordial with the media, and had many of us fooled into thinking he was a good guy. But then he started banging (and knocking up) anything that moved (including a CNN producer), his true character was revealed. That is why I tell my kids that athletes are not role models. All these athletes need to do is smile pretty and the media eats it up and turns them into gods.

I'm a non believer in that regard...

784 SWPaul  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 4:34:12pm

No, Juan Cole, NO! Sit, I said sit! NO!
Ok, read some of his stuff, then decided he was crazy. Voted against him.

785 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 4:34:20pm

re: #780 apachegunner

After the damn reply!

786 Dublin(CA)Dude  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 4:34:26pm

We're pulling ahead of Juan Cole, please if you haven't voted, go to the site and vote for Israellycool or Michael Totten. Beat Juan Cole.

787 Only The Lurker Knows  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 4:34:26pm

re: #735 bosforus

It in fact could have been a printing error as most of what you described is now automated (printing, Folding, stuffing, addressing, ect.) The real failure here was in QC. Someone should have been checking these letters before they got to the folding stage of the process. They didn't and it caused a lot of needless grief and anger.

788 apachegunner  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 4:34:42pm

Okay, Okay, geeeesh re: #785 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

After the damn reply!

789 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 4:34:54pm

re: #782 Wyatt Earp

A few days ago, someone said it makes you lok like a deranged monk. Funniest comparison ever!

I'll say it again! Friar Schmuck!

790 _RememberTonyC  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 4:35:45pm

re: #777 HoosierHoops

When i was really young..my dad took me to see Jesse Owens.. I heard him and was just blown away.. I got his autograph and shook his hand.
I met Bart Starr..Hell of a nice guy.
I met Steve Wright last year at Camp Pendleton.. He is retired now from the Cowboys but he spends his free time counseling married couples when a spouse returns from deployment...
/Funny story..When i met him and shook his hand he goes ' I know you dude!' I beamed...
My kid told me he tells that to alot of people..LOL

Wow ... Jesse Owens ... that is impressive! Truly one of the great Americans in the history of this country. Along with Joe Louis, they did more for Black people than anyone with the possible exception of Martin Luther King, Jr.

791 Bloodnok  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 4:36:14pm

re: #760 Silhouette

Shirley Temple Black is a great American, and I don't care if she's 120, any male lizard would be lucky to make out with her.

/rant

Especially in The Bachelor and the Bobby-Soxer. Yowza.

792 bosforus  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 4:37:25pm

re: #787 Bubblehead II

The QA/QC is so overboard where I work it drives me insane! Civil engineering design stuff - it goes back and forth so many times between everybody I often want to scratch my head and yell "That's what we decided on two months ago!"

793 Marvo76  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 4:37:28pm

for you baseball fans, My kids sunday school teacher at the local church is Carl Erskine....Nice fellow, I talked to him several times, my only other true celebe encounters of any lasting time was Ted Nugent, He cured me of idol worship really quick...

794 sphincter  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 4:37:37pm

Juan Cole,

I just say no, no, no

795 Noam Sayin'  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 4:38:20pm

Left this segment of Martin Kramer's post as a comment over at Cole's blog:

Juan Cole today opens a dramatic post with the following passage, in response to the deaths yesterday, from Israeli fire, of several dozen Palestinian civilians sheltering at an UNWRA school in Gaza:

In 1996, Israeli jets bombed a UN building where civilians had taken refuge at Cana/Qana in south Lebanon, killing 102 persons; in the place where Jesus is said to have made water into wine, Israeli bombs wrought a different sort of transformation. In the distant, picturesque port of Hamburg, a young graduate student studying traditional architecture of Aleppo saw footage like this on the news (graphic). He was consumed with anguish and the desire for revenge. He immediately wrote out a martyrdom will, pledging to die avenging the innocent victims, killed with airplanes and bombs that were a free gift from the United States. His name was Muhammad Atta. Five years later he piloted American Airlines 11 into the World Trade Center....

You wonder if someone somewhere is writing out a will today.

The post goes on to argue that America will pay the price of Israel's "bloody-mindedness," as it did on 9/11.

Actually, Atta's will was dated April 11, 1996—one week before the Qana tragedy, on April 18. We don't know for certain why he made it, but it cannot be because he witnessed any footage from Qana, which was still in the future. And Cole apparently never read the will. It contains no pledge to die while avenging anyone. The will deals with disposition of Atta's body and possessions in the event of his death. It's not a "martyrdom will," but a standardized one, provided by Atta's Hamburg mosque. (You can read the full text here.)

Somehow, I don't think it will get past the moderator.

796 _RememberTonyC  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 4:38:32pm

re: #793 Marvo76

for you baseball fans, My kids sunday school teacher at the local church is Carl Erskine....Nice fellow, I talked to him several times, my only other true celebe encounters of any lasting time was Ted Nugent, He cured me of idol worship really quick...

Carl Erskine teaches Sunday School? Cool. He's gotta be around 80 years old.

797 Bobblehead  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 4:38:35pm

re: #790 _RememberTonyC

Wow ... Jesse Owens ... that is impressive! Truly one of the great Americans in the history of this country. Along with Joe Louis, they did more for Black people than anyone with the possible exception of Martin Luther King, Jr.

Jesse Owens..a reason to be proud of Ohio State, unlike that moronic professor mentioned down thread

798 Sheila Broflovski  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 4:38:39pm

re: #791 Bloodnok

Especially in The Bachelor and the Bobby-Soxer. Yowza.

She retired after that movie, realizing that she could not transition to "grownup" film roles (I use the word "grownup" to distinguish from "adult" which has come to mean pr0n)

She was a class act and still is.

799 albusteve  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 4:38:48pm

re: #777 HoosierHoops

When i was really young..my dad took me to see Jesse Owens.. I heard him and was just blown away.. I got his autograph and shook his hand.
I met Bart Starr..Hell of a nice guy.
I met Steve Wright last year at Camp Pendleton.. He is retired now from the Cowboys but he spends his free time counseling married couples when a spouse returns from deployment...
/Funny story..When i met him and shook his hand he goes ' I know you dude!' I beamed...
My kid told me he tells that to alot of people..LOL

I met Bart too...I wrote a lengthy post about that one time...he was a friend of my moms cousin...he visited for several hours about 65 or 66 in the winter...a hell of a guy and he treated me like I was a big shot...I'll never forget that evening

800 bosforus  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 4:39:05pm

re: #792 bosforus

I'll probably feel differently about things once it's my PE stamp going on stuff. I'm just an EIT.
Gotta run!
See ya tomorrow!

801 Guanxi88  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 4:39:47pm

re: #750 Sharmuta

And then there was the "0bama is Malcolm X's love child" theory she floated.

One of my favorite whacked-out theories of all time! Right up there with the great-granddaddy and high commissioner of the bizarre, David Ickes reptilian shape-shifter delusions.

802 CyanSnowHawk  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 4:39:56pm

re: #792 bosforus

The QA/QC is so overboard where I work it drives me insane! Civil engineering design stuff - it goes back and forth so many times between everybody I often want to scratch my head and yell "That's what we decided on two months ago!"

Correct me if I'm wrong, but if a freeway overpass crashes, you can't just reboot it. I'll allow for a strict QA/QC process.

803 Digital Display  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 4:40:19pm

re: #780 apachegunner

hiya Hoops!

Hiya Gunner! Hope you are well today!
I'm jealous that Sharm comes on line and says hello to you...
What did you do? sent her 20lbs of Kona Roast coffee from Hawaii? :)

804 [deleted]  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 4:40:56pm
805 Only The Lurker Knows  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 4:41:03pm

re: #767 Alouette

Don't think so. This outbreak is Nation wide and though not specified in the story I think it is the same strain.

806 Bloodnok  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 4:41:04pm

re: #798 Alouette

She retired after that movie, realizing that she could not transition to "grownup" film roles (I use the word "grownup" to distinguish from "adult" which has come to mean pr0n)

She was a class act and still is.

I wondered why she stopped. I think she's great in that movie. But then again I have a thing for Myrna Loy too...

807 _RememberTonyC  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 4:41:18pm

re: #731 Charles

Start here:

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

Gets worse from there.

I looked at the stuff ... I assume Pamela never made peace with you. Thanks again ...

808 Outrider  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 4:41:27pm

6th January. Three Kings Day and the Christmas lights come down.

The front yard looks so danged DARK and dismal now.

Oh well, at least Mardi Gras is getting ready to start?

809 Marvo76  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 4:41:34pm

Carl is a local boy made good, and gives of himself quite a bit. My kids get a post card from him at spring training camp every year, when he plays snowbird and visits the camp....

810 ArchangelMichael  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 4:42:10pm

re: #750 Sharmuta

I missed that one.
Wow... just... wow

When do the "0bama to turn over US Sovereignty to reptilian alien overlords on 12/21/2012" posts start?

811 _RememberTonyC  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 4:42:17pm

re: #804 buzzsawmonkey

Louis Armstrong
Duke Ellington
Lionel Hampton
Teddy Wilson
and a host of others.

These people created music which was a worldwide ambassador for America. They gave pleasure to millions of Americans, white and black; they gave pride to black Americans, and deservedly so.

They produced music that burst with joy notwithstanding obstacles that would make the toughest rapper fold up like a wet newspaper.


All true! And of course, the great Jackie Robinson!

812 Sharmuta  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 4:42:21pm

re: #801 Guanxi88

Yeah- that will be a difficult bar for her to surpass. How can she top that?

813 Pietr  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 4:44:24pm

re: #753 apachegunner

I like it on top, sometimes :>)

Are we hijacking the thread, gunner? that sure sounded like a sex/boob intro......:>)

814 Guanxi88  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 4:44:25pm

re: #810 ArchangelMichael

I missed that one.
Wow... just... wow

When do the "0bama to turn over US Sovereignty to reptilian alien overlords on 12/21/2012" posts start?

Please see my post 801.

815 apachegunner  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 4:44:35pm

re: #803 HoosierHoops

Hiya Gunner! Hope you are well today!
I'm jealous that Sharm comes on line and says hello to you...
What did you do? sent her 20lbs of Kona Roast coffee from Hawaii? :)

I'll start here for FBV. I have determined, thorough observation the last few months, that Sharm is a wonderous lizard.

816 Guanxi88  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 4:45:02pm

re: #812 Sharmuta

Yeah- that will be a difficult bar for her to surpass. How can she top that?

Archangel Michael just beat us to it! Even got the date right!

817 apachegunner  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 4:45:09pm

re: #803 HoosierHoops

and besides, I said "hi" first :>)

818 Silhouette  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 4:45:17pm

re: #806 Bloodnok

I wondered why she stopped. I think she's great in that movie. But then again I have a thing for Myrna Loy too...

I once went as Myrna Loy to a Halloween party.

I told my friends before we went that if any guy knew who Myrna Loy was, I'd kiss him.

And if he said, "What a coincidence! I'm dressed as William Powell," I'd marry him.

819 Sharmuta  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 4:45:48pm

re: #815 apachegunner

You are too kind. Thank you.

820 JHW  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 4:45:49pm

re: #804 buzzsawmonkey

Very true. As great a man as MLK was, it saddens me a bit that Frederick Douglass is relatively forgotten.

821 Bloodnok  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 4:46:05pm

re: #818 Silhouette

I once went as Myrna Loy to a Halloween party.

I told my friends before we went that if any guy knew who Myrna Loy was, I'd kiss him.

And if he said, "What a coincidence! I'm dressed as William Powell," I'd marry him.

How old were you? (If you don't mind...)

822 apachegunner  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 4:46:40pm

re: #813 Pietr

Are we hijacking the thread, gunner? that sure sounded like a sex/boob intro......:>)


DOAH' (how do ya spell Homer's thing) Me? Nevah?

823 Only The Lurker Knows  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 4:47:01pm

re: #792 bosforus

In this case it was just a simple step to walk over the the printer/press, pull out a copy and see if everything looked good. Guess this could be filed under printing fail.

824 apachegunner  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 4:47:29pm

re: #819 Sharmuta

You are too kind. Thank you.


and another bow :>)

825 yochanan  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 4:47:34pm

reptilian shape-shifter delusions

don't let the cat out of the bag damn it

826 Digital Display  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 4:48:13pm

re: #817 apachegunner

and besides, I said "hi" first :>)

LOL You still on the road?

827 Sharmuta  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 4:48:17pm

re: #816 Guanxi88

Archangel Michael just beat us to it! Even got the date right!

And he might have nailed it too. I'm still chuckling at the thought.

828 Soona'  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 4:48:27pm

re: #811 _RememberTonyC

All true! And of course, the great Jackie Robinson!

Good music. I can remember as a youngster, turning on the radio and getting nothing but big band and boogie woogie.

829 jwb7605  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 4:48:31pm

re: #772 UFO TOFU

My latest attempt at staying hydrated during preparations for Sunday brunch:
Fill a flute 3/4 with champagne, add orange juice to color, and a shot of Grand Marnier!

How do dry the flute out so you can play it again?

830 Sharmuta  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 4:48:35pm

Hi Hoops!

831 Aye Pod  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 4:50:07pm

Guys, I think this picture has DEFINITELY been tampered with.

832 realwest  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 4:50:09pm

Hey y'all I went to the link Charles put up and Michael J. Totten is waaay ahead of Cole by an almost 2-1 margin! Totten is also waaay ahead of Israelycool too.
But Cole is now in 3rd place behind both Totten and Israelycool both!

833 apachegunner  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 4:50:28pm

Gosh, this Leinenkugel's Red Lager is one great beer. A toast to the lizards.

834 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 4:50:48pm

re: #831 Jimmah

Heh

835 [deleted]  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 4:50:58pm
836 Digital Display  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 4:51:08pm

re: #830 Sharmuta

Hi Hoops!

Good Evening Sharm..hope all is well with you..

837 Silhouette  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 4:51:14pm

Today's email from the Jerusalem Prayer Team

Dear (Silhouette),

Hamas continues to launch rockets at innocent Israeli civilians despite the frontal assault by Israeli Defense Forces. On Monday, a Grad-type rocket slammed into an empty kindergarten in Ashdod causing massive damage to the facility. Due to the continuing attacks from Gaza schools, kindergartens and day care facilities remain closed which prevented massive injuries to the children that might have been in the kindergarten at the time.

Another Grad-type rocket was fired into the Yavne area near Ashdod - a distance of approximately 25 miles from Gaza. Hamas also targeted the Eshkol, Sdot Negev, and Sha-ar Hanegev region of Southern Israel. ...

First, the people in the south are extremely poor; over 40 percent are Russian Jews. ... The town of Sderot has had some 8500 projectiles lobbed into the city since Hamas began its rocket attacks, sometimes as many as ten each day. On Christmas day, it was targeted 27 times. ...

Near the end of 2008, Hamas paved the way to make the fight against the Judeo-Christian population even bloodier and more reprehensible. This Iran sub-contractor proposed an addition to the Shariah criminal code that should make Christendom's blood run cold: the legalization of crucifixion. ...

Hamas is being funded by Iran. President Ahmadinejad knows Israel cannot allow Iran to go nuclear especially since he has threatened to "wipe Israel off the map."

...

Your ambassador to Jerusalem,
Michael D. Evans

838 ArchangelMichael  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 4:51:30pm

re: #814 Guanxi88

Because of Emperor Zero, his sychophants, budding fauxtographers, pseudo-economists using the "Chewbacca defense" to support Zero's economic policy, KOSsaks, DUmmies, troofers, dhimmis, and all the raving moonbat fascist apologists and asinine conspiracy theorists on the far right, the next few years are going to be an action-comedy for the whole family.

839 apachegunner  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 4:51:32pm

re: #826 HoosierHoops

LOL You still on the road?


yes, I'll leave Friday morning for home and off to California on Monday.

840 avanti  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 4:51:38pm

re: #765 wrenchwench

Obama was talking about the constitution's inability to remedy economic "injustice," in addition to political injustice. That's what he said the courts hadn't done, and what we "still suffer from." He now has (or really soon will have) the opportunity to address that issue legislatively, as he desired back in 2001. He got a head start on a platter when the Big Bailout passed.

That's what you made of it, but here's a different take, saying that he thought the use of the courts was misdirected away from a grass roots approach :

During the 2001 appearance on Chicago public radio station WBEZ , Obama did not say it is a "tragedy" that the Supreme Court has not addressed wealth redistribution. The "tragedy" Obama identified was that the civil rights movement "became so court-focused" in trying to bring about political and economic justice. Obama stated: "And one of the -- I think the tragedies of the civil rights movement was, because the civil rights movements became so court-focused, I think that there was a tendency to lose track of the political and community organizing, and activities on the ground that are able to put together the actual coalitions of power through which you bring about redistributive change."

The discussion we are having reminds me of a talk about how hard it is to have a political discussion across the right left divide. He said we all listen to our personal Ipods and ignoring the other persons Ipod music. The left watches MSNBC and visits Daily Kos, the right to Fox and right wing blogs. We do it so we can confirm what we already believe, and resist any other interpretation. I watch the interview and see nothing remarkable, others watch it and think it proves Obama is a socialist. You may watch Palin and get inspired, I watch her and giggle, I liked McCain, many others on the did not. I may not change my mind, nor you yours, but I'm trying to listen and discuss the issues.
I actually got my Karma up from a minus 40 something to even until this thread, so that's something.

841 yochanan  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 4:51:44pm

just thinking of a shot of scotch as a cure for the common cold?

842 CyanSnowHawk  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 4:51:48pm

re: #804 buzzsawmonkey

Louis Armstrong
Duke Ellington
Lionel Hampton
Teddy Wilson
and a host of others.

These people created music which was a worldwide ambassador for America. They gave pleasure to millions of Americans, white and black; they gave pride to black Americans, and deservedly so.

They produced music that burst with joy notwithstanding obstacles that would make the toughest rapper fold up like a wet newspaper.

I've met a few celebs, some I met just cause I lived nearby.
Gary "Big Hands" Johnson
Carl Mauck
Steve Garvey
Bob Shirley

Others because I went to get their autographs.
Majel Barrett Roddenberry
Jay Leno
Dick Van Dyke

And others because one of my sisters was living with Joe Walsh.
Joe Walsh
Joe the Bass Player
The Doobie Brothers

Most were pretty cool, I don't recall any being jerks, but I didn't interact with them for any great length of time.

I think I saw Lisa Kudrow at Disneyland last month, but I had to get to Space Mountain and get some Fast Passes so I didn't approach her.

843 BBev  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 4:52:02pm

re: #792 bosforus

The QA/QC is so overboard where I work it drives me insane! Civil engineering design stuff - it goes back and forth so many times between everybody I often want to scratch my head and yell "That's what we decided on two months ago!"

Oh ya I know. I'm a real estate developer and I know how many times you guys get it wrong. I pay for it every time. :-)

844 Sharmuta  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 4:52:28pm

re: #833 apachegunner

Gosh, this Leinenkugel's Red Lager is one great beer. A toast to the lizards.

Leinie's has a number of good beers- red, honey weiss, and some of their seasonals are all quite tasty. (It's the water)

845 apachegunner  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 4:52:33pm

re: #832 realwest

hi RW buddy, how ya doing? That computer working good?

846 Digital Display  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 4:52:57pm

re: #839 apachegunner

yes, I'll leave Friday morning for home and off to California on Monday.

Where in Cali? I'm from there ya know

847 broomer  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 4:53:16pm

End to smuggling?

30 kilometers of the border can be monitored simultaneously using one device. In addition, the optical fiber used for measurement is the kind utilized for conventional telecommunication and is cheap, costing only a few shekels per meter.

Once again, technology from Israel that would be beneficial to the world.

848 Aye Pod  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 4:53:17pm

re: #834 Killgore Trout

I thought at first it might just have been dust and scratches, but something about that speech bubble just doesn't ring true for me ;)

849 Guanxi88  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 4:53:28pm

re: #825 yochanan

reptilian shape-shifter delusions

don't let the cat out of the bag damn it

What, I don't shape-shift, do you?

850 Silhouette  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 4:54:03pm

re: #821 Bloodnok

How old were you? (If you don't mind...)

19 or 20, I suppose.

851 Outrider  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 4:54:20pm

re: #832 realwest

Hey y'all I went to the link Charles put up and Michael J. Totten is waaay ahead of Cole by an almost 2-1 margin! Totten is also waaay ahead of Israelycool too.
But Cole is now in 3rd place behind both Totten and Israelycool both!

now, everyone has only to remember to do this same thing every day. ;-)>

852 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 4:54:26pm

re: #848 Jimmah

If it was real she'd be speaking Arabic. That's what tipped me off.

853 apachegunner  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 4:55:11pm

re: #846 HoosierHoops

Where in Cali? I'm from there ya know


back in Dublin

854 realwest  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 4:55:24pm

re: #845 apachegunner
Hey Guns! Yeah computer seems to be working pretty well so far! Hope you're doing well my friend!

855 Ringo the Gringo  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 4:55:29pm

I just a couple of hours the esteemed Prof. Cole has gone from first place to third place.

Good.

856 loppyd  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 4:55:33pm

Good Evening Lizard Nation!

I can't get on the weblog awards page....hopefully due to legions of people voting against this POS.

857 yochanan  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 4:55:34pm

re: #849 Guanxi88

you will be the last to know

HEHEHEHEHEHEHE evil laugh

858 [deleted]  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 4:55:39pm
859 Guanxi88  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 4:55:39pm

re: #838 ArchangelMichael

Because of Emperor Zero, his sychophants, budding fauxtographers, pseudo-economists using the "Chewbacca defense" to support Zero's economic policy, KOSsaks, DUmmies, troofers, dhimmis, and all the raving moonbat fascist apologists and asinine conspiracy theorists on the far right, the next few years are going to be an action-comedy for the whole family.

You see, it's stuff like this, and folks like you, that help me say "when" at my 3rd glass of gin & bitters. Without this sort of perspective, the temptation to drink myself to death, a la 19th century London rabble, would be too strong to resist.

860 jwb7605  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 4:55:42pm

Weblog Awards - Best Pet Blog

What's up with the unnecessary profanity on the currently leading (by a long way) site?
Pictures are good, but the captions turn me off. I voted for LolCats.

861 eon  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 4:56:13pm

re: #801 Guanxi88

One of my favorite whacked-out theories of all time! Right up there with the great-granddaddy and high commissioner of the bizarre, David Ickes reptilian shape-shifter delusions.

Good evening, Lizards.

I have an old copy of UFO Magazine with both an interview with Ickes and an account of a UFO convention he showed up at- one of those "fighting government secrecy" type things where everybody from JFK conspiracy types to Troofers manifest themselves. Initially, the Troofers were ruling the roost with their claim that 9/11 was a conspiracy between the Bush WH and the IJ/ZBC crowd. That is, until Ickes took the podium and started talking about the Reptilian ShapeShifters Conspiracy and their secret sex-slave prison under the White House.

Pretty much the entire crowd immediately "defected" to Ickes' side- which pleased the Troofers not at all.

They ended it by crying, "When Will Sanity And Reality Prevail Over Fantasy?"

My opinion; About the time these clowns, and Ickes, grow up, get psychiatric help to deal with their mommy/daddy issues, and get real jobs.

/Not that I'm holding my breath.

cheers

eon

862 apachegunner  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 4:56:16pm

re: #854 realwest

Hey Guns! Yeah computer seems to be working pretty well so far! Hope you're doing well my friend!

I am, as I hope you are :>)

863 freedombilly  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 4:56:23pm

I am late to the party so sorry if this has already been posted. Here is the link for Charles' interview with Dennis Prager today.

It begins just after the 30:00 minute mark.

864 Aye Pod  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 4:56:30pm

re: #852 Killgore Trout

You nailed it Killgore - that's the very point I was trying to home in on. I need to sharpen my spider senses for this kind of work.

865 Sharmuta  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 4:56:40pm

re: #838 ArchangelMichael

Because of Emperor Zero, his sychophants, budding fauxtographers, pseudo-economists using the "Chewbacca defense" to support Zero's economic policy, KOSsaks, DUmmies, troofers, dhimmis, and all the raving moonbat fascist apologists and asinine conspiracy theorists on the far right, the next few years are going to be an action-comedy for the whole family.

And IDiots.

We'll laugh 'til we cry. This is going to make the clinton years look like the teacup ride vs. a roller coaster.

866 Digital Display  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 4:56:52pm

re: #853 apachegunner

back in Dublin

Make sure take the rent a car up to the wine country...
Be safe gunner

867 buzzdroid  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 4:56:56pm
Youtube Video

via [Link: www.israellycool.com...]

"Israellycool reader Ken has uploaded videos from a pro-Israel rally at the Israeli embassy in DC earlier this week. You can find all the videos here, including this one of a former slave from southern Sudan who is now a Christian resident of Israel."

powerful stuff. if there is ANYONE on the planet who knows about Islamic terror first hand, it's the Christian Sudanese.

vid is worth watching.


"apartheid" Israel my ass...

868 Shug  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 4:57:32pm

Juan king cole was a hateful old soul
And a hateful old soul was he
he called for his kiffeyeh, he called for his koran
and he called for his spoldeydopes three

869 realwest  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 4:58:03pm

Huh, don't know if this has been discussed but Obama says he's looking closely at "entitlement" programs, especially social security and Medicare - NOW I really hate that S.O.B.!
No or less SS for mom or no or less SSDI for me and no or more expensive Medicare for us and we are in deeper doo-doo than I care to think about!

870 loppyd  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 4:58:09pm

Via Hot Air:

When Andy Met Blago


When Rod Blagojevich contemplated how to cash in on the “f*****g valuable thing” that is Barack Obama’s vacated Senate seat, he suggested to an unnamed representative of the SEIU that a high-paying gig with the union might help him pick a labor-friendly candidate. Originally, speculation centered on Tom Balanoff as the likeliest SEIU official to have fielded that demand, as Balanoff heads the Illinois state organization of the union. Now the AP reports that both Balanoff and SEIU national president Andy Stern attended a meeting with Blagojevich in the time frame of the complaint:
871 Outrider  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 4:58:38pm

re: #868 Shug

Juan king cole was a hateful old soul
And a hateful old soul was he
he called for his kiffeyeh, he called for his koran
and he called for his spoldeydopes three

He didn't want his "splodydopes" ? ;-)>

872 Guanxi88  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 4:58:49pm

re: #861 eon

Good evening, Lizards.

I have an old copy of UFO Magazine with both an interview with Ickes and an account of a UFO convention he showed up at- one of those "fighting government secrecy" type things where everybody from JFK conspiracy types to Troofers manifest themselves. Initially, the Troofers were ruling the roost with their claim that 9/11 was a conspiracy between the Bush WH and the IJ/ZBC crowd. That is, until Ickes took the podium and started talking about the Reptilian ShapeShifters Conspiracy and their secret sex-slave prison under the White House.

Pretty much the entire crowd immediately "defected" to Ickes' side- which pleased the Troofers not at all.

They ended it by crying, "When Will Sanity And Reality Prevail Over Fantasy?"

My opinion; About the time these clowns, and Ickes, grow up, get psychiatric help to deal with their mommy/daddy issues, and get real jobs.

/Not that I'm holding my breath.

cheers

eon

But if they did that, where would we get our material?

873 Bloodnok  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 5:00:01pm

re: #850 Silhouette

19 or 20, I suppose.

Hey, I was at that party dressed as Asta! You should have talked to me!

I just think she was stunning.

874 FrogMarch  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 5:00:19pm

I just wanted to say that not only is Jaun Cole an a-hole - Sally Quinn is a first rate Bitch.

875 realwest  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 5:00:28pm

re: #856 loppyd
Hey {loppyd} I got on it ok, but the vote tabulations and voting sections were blank (I vote at night so I couldn't vote yet today) but I refreshed and at least got the results - which I put up at #832.

876 Ayatollah Ghilmeini  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 5:00:32pm

Then there is this gem:

A rally held here on Tuesday in solidarity with the Gaza Strip drew about 150 protesters[emph. mine]. Similar demonstrations in other parts of the West Bank over the past 11 days have also attracted small numbers of Palestinians.

That's right the folks in the WB are so distraught about what is happening to their brothers and sisters in Gaza that a grand total of 150 were upset enough to protest.

Why, you ask? Because they know what you and I know, Hamas has been hijacked by Iran and Hamas prevents Palestinians from having a future. That Palestinian society cannot have two governments and lastly, that Hamas rockets caused this war.

More people attended the rally in Ft. Lauderdale than the one in the West Bank.

Speaking of that, the charming Islamic lady calling for the cremation of the remaining Jews in this world is a posterchild of the ignorance, bigotry, dishonesty and anti-intellectualism that mires the Islamic world in the making any progress in human development. This woman never said a word when 50,000 Shias died from Al Qaeda terror bombings in Iraq or much less the millions killed and displaced in Darfur or Hamas 4000 rockets fired into Israel since 2005. We should have nothing but contempt for her and see the only antidote as the humiliation of Hamas surrendering to Israel. If these, the most pious and devout of Muslims cannot be blessed by victory from on high, Islam itself does not deserve to win- the Islamists know this and that is why they are doing all they can to bail out Hamas. Hamas needs to lose.

The saddest thing is some Jews will see her anger and blame Israel for it rather than the Islamic culture that fosters such monstrous hatred.

877 BBev  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 5:00:35pm

re: #854 real west

Hey Guns! Yeah computer seems to be working pretty well so far! Hope you're doing well my friend!

Good evening Real West

878 loppyd  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 5:00:44pm

re: #869 {realwest}

Huh, don't know if this has been discussed but Obama says he's looking closely at "entitlement" programs, especially social security and Medicare - NOW I really hate that S.O.B.!
No or less SS for mom or no or less SSDI for me and no or more expensive Medicare for us and we are in deeper doo-doo than I care to think about!

Hello Handsome!

He wouldn't dare. Social Security is the third rail....

But then again I didn't think he'd ever get elected so what do I know?

879 BBev  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 5:02:27pm

re: #869 realwest

Huh, don't know if this has been discussed but Obama says he's looking closely at "entitlement" programs, especially social security and Medicare - NOW I really hate that S.O.B.!
No or less SS for mom or no or less SSDI for me and no or more expensive Medicare for us and we are in deeper doo-doo than I care to think about!

Does he want to cut them?

880 loppyd  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 5:02:40pm

re: #874 FrogMarch

I just wanted to say that not only is Jaun Cole an a-hole - Sally Quinn is a first rate Bitch.

I concur.

Did you happen to catch the clip of her on CNN gushing about the Obama girls' school and how she just knew it was a good fit for them because they teach social justice, blah blah blah?

881 realwest  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 5:03:09pm

re: #862 apachegunner
Yeah Guns I'm ok, I guess - cancer tests showed it's getting progressively worse, but I'm ok for the next 90 days or so before I have to consider other treatment "options".
Thanks for your concern.

882 apachegunner  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 5:03:10pm

re: #877 BBev

Good evening Real West

and?

883 realwest  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 5:03:35pm

re: #877 BBev
Hi ya BBEV! How are ya?

884 JHW  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 5:04:00pm

re: #858 buzzsawmonkey

Yes, I'm sorry buzz, I meant to link on the abolitionist Douglas. What an inspiring story his life was. From what I've read, he had no hatreds, except for the institution of slavery and prejudices and inequality. For a self taught man, he put modern college graduates to shame with his eloquence.

Thanks for that insightful post, and the old dustbin of history needs a thorough shaking up in my opinion.

885 realwest  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 5:04:20pm

re: #879 BBev
He hasn't said, but his statement was in context of cutting "unnecessary spending" so who the hell knows.

886 Ojoe  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 5:04:37pm

re: #611 Charles

Well I just looked at that photo and the furtherest in the air debris look like some pieces of sheet material to me. If they were the roof or wall skins on some structure, and the explosion went off internal to them, they would be the furthest away from the center soonest.

I don't think that stuff is concrete at all.

887 Only The Lurker Knows  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 5:04:51pm

re: #863 freedombilly

No is hasn't been posted. Thanks. I missed it when he was on.

888 realwest  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 5:05:16pm

Woops, Mom called dinner - I gotta go now - hope you all have a great night and that I get the chance to see you all down the road!

889 apachegunner  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 5:06:07pm

re: #881 realwest
my sis had cancer and did the chemo without improvement, she followed with radiation and found it so much easier, and it worked! She is much better! Good luck to you, with my prayers daily.

890 BBev  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 5:06:26pm

re: #883 realwest

Hi ya BBEV! How are ya?

I'm doing ok, the wife is not doing well at all, what you said about SS. as you know my wife is fully disabled it would really suck if her money got cut hell it does not come close to clovering her med costs as it is.

891 Marvo76  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 5:06:39pm

re: #878 loppyd

Hello Handsome!

He wouldn't dare. Social Security is the third rail....

But then again I didn't think he'd ever get elected so what do I know?

;If he can actually do something positive for SS so that it might actually be there instead of astack of paper, then he will earn my respect. Who knows, he might be the darkhorse who can get it done....
(///)

892 BBev  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 5:07:23pm

re: #888 realwest

Woops, Mom called dinner - I gotta go now - hope you all have a great night and that I get the chance to see you all down the road!

Talk to you this weekend

893 Ojoe  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 5:07:23pm

re: #670 Mike in Georgia

No regular building will stand up at all to an explosion going off inside, any cheap or economical roofing will be blown sky-high.

Ojoe, architect.

894 Digital Display  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 5:07:27pm

Has anyone lately talked about the glorious Jewish spirit in fighting this war?
They allow the war to stop on a regular basis to help supply the innocents.
Has any nation in the history of the whole world ever show such mercies to the enemy..Anytime in all of human history?
War is hell.. But to fight it with the spirit of an angel and such great regret..
Such great regret...
Has any nation entered war with such a heavy heart?
May God bless Israel

895 loppyd  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 5:08:22pm

re: #891 Marvo76

;If he can actually do something positive for SS so that it might actually be there instead of astack of paper, then he will earn my respect. Who knows, he might be the darkhorse who can get it done....
(///)

The only thing I see him doing is raising the retirement age and/or increasing the SS tax.

896 loppyd  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 5:08:35pm

re: #894 HoosierHoops

Amen!

897 yochanan  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 5:09:04pm

re: #867 buzzdroid

via [Link: www.israellycool.com...]

"Israellycool reader Ken has uploaded videos from a pro-Israel rally at the Israeli embassy in DC earlier this week. You can find all the videos here, including this one of a former slave from southern Sudan who is now a Christian resident of Israel."

powerful stuff. if there is ANYONE on the planet who knows about Islamic terror first hand, it's the Christian Sudanese.

vid is worth watching.

"apartheid" Israel my ass...

if i could up ding this 1,000 times i would this is clearly thread worthy

898 Marvo76  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 5:09:48pm

re: #893 Ojoe
it would act like a shaped charge, and the force would go up first (path of least resistance) then out, but not much of an interval in between...

899 LGoPs  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 5:10:01pm

re: #863 freedombilly

I am late to the party so sorry if this has already been posted. Here is the link for Charles' interview with Dennis Prager today.

It begins just after the 30:00 minute mark.

Thank you so much. Prager is one of my favorites but I rarely hear him because I'm at work. I was real upset when I thought I'd miss Charles talking to him. Thanks again......

900 avanti  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 5:13:40pm

re: #895 loppyd

The only thing I see him doing is raising the retirement age and/or increasing the SS tax.

Here's what he said:


"Obama says by February, he expects a plan to emerge on how to deal with entitlement spending, waste in government and other factors, as well as some "specific outlines" on how to control the deficit."

901 Spare O'Lake  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 5:13:50pm

re: #835 taxfreekiller

If you do not protect your borders you are not a country.

If you do not control who gets into your country you do not have a country.

If you do not have a system of citizens only in your country you do not have a country.

If you do not have borders, control your borders, have only citizens voting in your elections you do not need a Constitution or any other laws and regulations, for you have only anarchy.

If you do not do the things above you will have nothing to protect from the islamic terror, you will have been over run prior to the islamic ones of terror even getting a chance.

[Link: www.fairus.org...]
[Link: www.teamamericapac.org...]
Help Tom Tancredo and others stop Harry Reid and his new amnesty attempt in the House and Senate.

Are not the laws necessary to accomplish what you seek currently on the books?
Is there no way to force the administration to enforce those laws?
Is it really true then that no man is above the law?

902 eon  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 5:17:08pm

re: #872 Guanxi88

But if they did that, where would we get our material?



"We would no longer be needed. But for now, there is enough cowardice, sloth, and mendacity on Earth to keep us occupied for a long time to come."

- Zeus (Sir Laurence Olivier) in Clash of the Titans

We'll never run out of pompous a$$es, unscrupulous villains, narcissists, egotists, and fools to shine the light of logic on. Because there's one born every minute.

/Of course, there's probably a new Lizard born every minute or so, too, so it sort of evens out.

cheers

eon

903 albusteve  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 5:22:03pm

re: #858 buzzsawmonkey

I hit your link and got something about fighter planes. I assume, however, you mean Frederick Douglass the writer and abolitionist?

I try and remind people about the black performers of the 20th century because they are well on their way to being forgotten. I find it sad--and telling--that musicians and composers of consummate artistry are relegated to the dustbin of history, while people whose musical ability is limited to stringing together computer tracks and scratching records on turntables are considered worthy of adulation.

Furthermore, small but important actions by people like Ellington did a great deal to promote feelings of pride and dignity in the black community. Ellington's band was sought after around the country, but given the laws at the time there were many places that they could not be assured of accommodations. To deal with this, Ellington had his band travel by private railroad car--a form of transport that was generally reserved for only the wealthiest and most important people. Thus, Ellington avoided the unpleasantness of Jim Crow--while enhancing the dignity and the specialness of himself and his band.

I think of someone like Peg Leg Bates--who lost a leg in a cotton mill accident, and thereafter became a headliner as a one-legged tap dancer. That is pride; that is dignity; that is an inspiration for anyone who needs inspiration.

Rappers who do not face the barriers that these men did, and who produce ugly, angry, violent, misogynistic noise complaining about how oppressive society is, are not worthy to shine those men's shoes.

I'm listening...I grew up with swing and assorted big bands...I met DEllington twice...once in NYC and then again In Kalamazoo...brief encounters but treasures in my memories

904 avanti  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 5:22:13pm

re: #764 avanti

That's probably close to what happened. Someone didn't program the word processing program to add the name from the address field and sent the disk to the printers where it was printed, folded and stuck in a envelope automatically by machine. Someone dropped the ball in the software.

Gee, I got a ding down for that post, must have been too far left. I need to figure out this Karma thing and try harder.

905 Truth Dr.  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 5:25:58pm

Speaking of disgraces, here is an excerpt from the press release issued by the Jew haters who held a sit-in at the Israeli consulate in Toronto today:

The group includes: Judy Rebick, professor; Judith Deutsch, psychoanalyst and president of Science for Peace; B.H. Yael, filmmaker; Smadar Carmon, an Canadian Israeli peace activist and others.


Spokespersons for the group will be outside the Israeli consulate:

Dr. Miriam Garfinkle:
[no phone numbers allowed]
mgarfinkle@sympatico.ca

Cathy Gulkin:
[no phone numbers allowed]
cgulkin@rogers.com

906 Dom  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 5:27:46pm

Only too happy to vote for Totten over Mr Wank Hole, nice heads up.

907 wrenchwench  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 5:31:05pm

re: #840 avanti

That's what you made of it, but here's a different take, saying that he thought the use of the courts was misdirected away from a grass roots approach :

During the 2001 appearance on Chicago public radio station WBEZ , Obama did not say it is a "tragedy" that the Supreme Court has not addressed wealth redistribution. The "tragedy" Obama identified was that the civil rights movement "became so court-focused" in trying to bring about political and economic justice. Obama stated: "And one of the -- I think the tragedies of the civil rights movement was, because the civil rights movements became so court-focused, I think that there was a tendency to lose track of the political and community organizing, and activities on the ground that are able to put together the actual coalitions of power through which you bring about redistributive change."

The discussion we are having reminds me of a talk about how hard it is to have a political discussion across the right left divide. He said we all listen to our personal Ipods and ignoring the other persons Ipod music. The left watches MSNBC and visits Daily Kos, the right to Fox and right wing blogs. We do it so we can confirm what we already believe, and resist any other interpretation. I watch the interview and see nothing remarkable, others watch it and think it proves Obama is a socialist. You may watch Palin and get inspired, I watch her and giggle, I liked McCain, many others on the did not. I may not change my mind, nor you yours, but I'm trying to listen and discuss the issues.
I actually got my Karma up from a minus 40 something to even until this thread, so that's something.

Yeah, the discussion is tough in any forum. I was also working at the same time. I am not guilty, though, of seeking info to confirm what I believe. My outlook has shifted enormously over the years, based on information I have received and sought out. Good for you for pursuing the discussion, and especially for listening.

Tell me the source of your "different take." Is that what you think, or are you quoting someone else? I don't hear the interview and see proof of anything, but I do hear evidence, which I combine with other facts I have and come to the conclusion, or at least the working hypothesis, that Obama is further left than any other president in my lifetime. You (IIRC) keep hoping for the best from him. I am preparing to resist him taking the country down the socialist road. He is far from the only one that wants to go there, or I wouldn't be so concerned.

And now I am leaving my computer and going home. If you respond, I will see it tomorrow.

908 wrenchwench  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 5:37:20pm

re: #907 wrenchwench

avanti:

P.S. The word from that tape of Obama that should clue you in to his meaning: Redistributive.

909 avanti  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 5:39:50pm

re: #907 wrenchwench

Yeah, the discussion is tough in any forum. I was also working at the same time. I am not guilty, though, of seeking info to confirm what I believe. My outlook has shifted enormously over the years, based on information I have received and sought out. Good for you for pursuing the discussion, and especially for listening.

Tell me the source of your "different take." Is that what you think, or are you quoting someone else?


I found out that media matters non considered impartial on the right, but that's where I got the quote. I used them to rethink some comments from the left when I was still supporting McCain.

910 Digital Display  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 5:41:22pm

re: #904 avanti

Gee, I got a ding down for that post, must have been too far left. I need to figure out this Karma thing and try harder.

I updinged ya!
not to worry

911 avanti  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 5:54:57pm

re: #908 wrenchwench

avanti:

P.S. The word from that tape of Obama that should clue you in to his meaning: Redistributive.

Agian, he was saying the courts were not the place to address economic issues. But...there is no question he is going to roll back the tax cuts given to the top tax brackets to give the middle class a cut.. The income tax has always been used for redistribution of wealth by both the left and right, like it or not.

912 wiffersnapper  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 7:11:28pm

suckawnit cole

913 MittDoesNotCompute  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 7:32:52pm

re: #374 Walter L. Newton

OT

No link, I heard this on Paul Harvey, but here's something to whack your moonbat friends with. LCD and plasma screen TV's are like BIG energy hogs. I mean 10 to 100 times more energy usage than a normal TV screen.

Maybe Harvey archives his reports or maybe he got it from some source that you can find online.

So, if you have any moonbat friends with a Prius and a plasma, talk to them for me.

Actually, Walter, I dunno about "10 to 100 times more energy usage than a normal TV screen", but most LCDs I've seen are rated for maybe 2/3 (or less) the current draw of an equivalent-sized CRT, especially in standby mode; granted, that's mainly talking about LCD computer monitors, though. My understanding is that the larger the LCD/plasma, the more inefficient their backlighting becomes due to their size and the size of the backlight lamps, but since CRTs have generally maxed out at around 40", it's almost impossible to do a one-on-one comparison at those larger sizes. I have heard that really large LCDs and plasmas do suck the juice, but I'd take the "10 to 100 times more energy usage than a normal TV screen" meme with a grain of salt, even if it was on Paul Harvey. I'm not generally big on government information on subjects they shouldn't be involved with, but here's a starting point:

Energy Star

914 bosforus  Wed, Jan 7, 2009 8:10:53pm

re: #802 CyanSnowHawk

Correct me if I'm wrong, but if a freeway overpass crashes, you can't just reboot it. I'll allow for a strict QA/QC process.

Guess my patience was just wearing a little thin today. Fear not, I ain't working on anything close to a bridge.

915 wrenchwench  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 3:19:58pm

re: #909 avanti

I found out that media matters non considered impartial on the right, but that's where I got the quote. I used them to rethink some comments from the left when I was still supporting McCain.

If you post something that is not original to you, you should at the same time say where it is from. (Not to do so looks like dishonest discussion.) And then you might also give your own opinion.


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