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A Staged Scene in a Gaza Hospital? - Update: CNN Yanks Video

Middle East | Thu, Jan 8, 2009 at 10:46:05 am PST

Norwegian doctor Mads Gilbert, a radical Marxist who openly supports Hamas and the 9/11 hijackers, is seen once again in this CNN video about the death of a “freelance cameraman’s” brother in Gaza — and the footage in the hospital room was very likely staged for propaganda effect.

Youtube Video

A closer view of the scene in the hospital room is here at CNN: Toll of conflict strikes home as cameraman finds brother dead - CNN.com.

LGF reader “Last Mohican,” a doctor, makes a strong case that this is an obvious fake.

I’m no military expert, but I am a doctor, and this video is bullsh-t. The chest compressions that were being performed at the beginning of this video were absolutely, positively fake. The large man in the white coat was NOT performing CPR on that child. He was just sort of tapping on the child’s sternum a little bit with his fingers. You can’t make blood flow like that. Furthermore, there’s no point in doing chest compressions if you’re not also ventilating the patient somehow. In this video, I can’t tell for sure if the patient has an endotracheal tube in place, but you can see that there is nobody bag-ventilating him (a bag is actually hanging by the head of the bed), and there is no ventilator attached to the patient. In a hospital, during a code on a ventilated patient, somebody would probably be bagging the patient during the chest compressions. And they also would have moved the bed away from the wall, so that somebody could get back there to intubate the patient and/or bag him. In short, the “resuscitation scene” at the beginning is fake, and it’s a pretty lame fake at that.

So the question is, were they re-enacting the resuscitation scene by repeating their actions on a corpse, because the child had died earlier? It’s likely that the answer is no, that child is still alive, and is just an actor pretending to be a child who was killed. Why do I say that? Because the big guy in the white coat, if he’s really a doctor, nurse, nurse’s aid, EMT, or any sort of health care provider at all would be entirely aware that tickling the boy’s sternum doesn’t really look like actual chest compressions. If the boy was dead, the man would have done a more convincing job in compressing the chest. The taps on the chest that he’s doing are the sort of thing you see in bad TV dramas, when you don’t want to make the poor actor playing the victim uncomfortable by really pushing on his chest. I think the man in the white coat knows this child is actually alive, and is making the simulated chest compressions gentle so as not to hurt the child. My guess is that he assumed the videographer, like those on better TV shows, would have been smart enough not to film as far down as the man’s hands on the chest.

UPDATE at 1/8/09 12:43:55 pm:

Well, well. CNN has removed the video from the page linked above, with no explanation or retraction.

UPDATE at 1/8/09 1:09:14 pm:

Here’s another version of the suspect footage at the UK’s Channel 4. (Whose coverage is horrifically biased against Israel.)

The scene in question starts at about 1:40.

And meanwhile, LGF reader “Killgore Trout” has discovered that the “freelance photographer,” Ashraf Mashharawi, also runs a business in Gaza called Nepras For Media & IT, which hosts websites. And according to Internet Haganah, in 2004 they were listed as the operator of at least two websites for ... Hamas.

I know you’re as shocked as I am.

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1 jwb7605  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 10:48:41am

Last Mohican is famous, and Last Mohican is newly famous!

2 wiffersnapper  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 10:49:08am

Props mohican!

3 Dustyvet  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 10:49:42am

Same sh** different day...

4 bj  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 10:49:44am

Score another one for the good guys. Thanks Mohican.

5 lawhawk  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 10:49:59am

As we've been kicking around in the prior threads, the beefy guy on the right wasn't merely providing chest compressions, he was massaging the victim's stomach. That's the absolutely wrong way to do chest compressions. I say this as someone who has regularly taken CPR courses (both adult and child).

6 jemima  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 10:50:07am

Thank you Last Mohican. See how we're all soldiers in this war?

7 vapig  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 10:50:27am

Can anybody be at all surprised at the lows these people will sink to for their propaganda?

8 Dustyvet  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 10:50:40am

re: #5 lawhawk

As we've been kicking around in the prior threads, the beefy guy on the right wasn't merely providing chest compressions, he was massaging the victim's stomach. That's the absolutely wrong way to do chest compressions. I say this as someone who has regularly taken CPR courses (both adult and child).

Never say CPR to an old person...:)

9 karmic_inquisitor  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 10:51:05am

Great job Last Mohican!

10 Sharmuta  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 10:51:12am

I'm really disgusted. F*ck the msm.

11 jorline  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 10:51:34am

Lizard toast to Last Mohican...thank you for your insight.

12 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 10:51:43am

re: #5 lawhawk

As we've been kicking around in the prior threads, the beefy guy on the right wasn't merely providing chest compressions, he was massaging the victim's stomach. That's the absolutely wrong way to do chest compressions. I say this as someone who has regularly taken CPR courses (both adult and child).

In the Marines, we were always told in you were doing it right, you would come damn close to cracking some ribs. That guy was barely poking the kid.

13 sattv4u2  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 10:52:55am

Fake ? No way ,, I know if MY little brother was laying on a table fighting for his life, the very first thing I would do is run and get my camcorder!

//

14 lawhawk  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 10:53:05am

I looked at the video several times, pausing it at several points between the 14 second and 30 second point, and it's at the 22-24 second point that the Gilbert starts to apply what look like eeg leads to the body after the guy on the right is already giving chest compressions. You never do see if the leads are attached to the monitor. There are several rough cuts too - quite possibly taking footage out of sequence (24-26 seconds into the video) so you can't tell what happened.

It's suspicious to say the least.

15 yma o hyd  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 10:53:51am

re: #11 jorline

Lizard toast to Last Mohican...thank you for your insight.

Seconded!

16 FrogMarch  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 10:54:15am

Quick - call in the "fake but accurate" experts - Mapes and Rather.
They know all about staging, lying, bullshit and fraud.

Meanwhile - MSM yawns.

17 Sharmuta  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 10:54:32am

They'll be a follow up with injured Israelis, right?

/not holding my breath

18 jorline  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 10:54:43am

And Fox is running this.

High-Profile Doctor in Gaza Called an 'Apologist for Hamas'

In addition to being supportive of the terrorist organization Hamas, Gilbert has voiced support for the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon.

"The attack on New York did not come as a surprise after the policy that the West has led during the last decades," Gilbert told the Norwegian newspaper Dagbladet on Sept. 30, 2001. "The oppressed also have a moral right to attack the USA with any weapon they can come up with."

When asked if he supported a terror attack on the U.S., Gilbert said, "Terror is a bad weapon but the answer is yes within the context which I have mentioned."

19 lawhawk  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 10:54:53am

re: #12 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

In the Marines, we were always told in you were doing it right, you would come damn close to cracking some ribs. That guy was barely poking the kid.

I've made that comment as well (down on the prior thread). Adult compressions should be 1.5-2 inches each, placed on the sternum. Children can get the adult compressions or a variation - 1-2 inches with one hand, depending on the size of the victim.

Infants and children under 8 get a different version altogether (using fingers instead of the entire hand or two handed approach).

20 jorline  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 10:55:17am

re: #15 yma o hyd

Seconded!

{yma}

Hope you are well...good to see you.

21 albusteve  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 10:55:36am

re: #10 Sharmuta

I'm really disgusted. F*ck the msm.

no shit...they get people killed
they are criminal

22 Sharmuta  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 10:55:40am

re: #18 jorline

And Fox is running this.

High-Profile Doctor in Gaza Called an 'Apologist for Hamas'

Wonder where they picked that story up from?

23 davinvalkri  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 10:56:05am

What the hell was that bearded, bespectacled doctor on the right doing? Didn't look like he was "desperately trying to revive" some child killed in an Israeli strike. And why would the child's brother be filming it? Last Mohican is right, it's probably fake.

...But then why would the CNN guy take it at face value?

24 Ojoe  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 10:56:13am

To get my red cross first aid aid & CPR cards, the instructors said that the compressions may break ribs; but as the trade-off is dying, broken ribs from the compressions are OK.

25 jorline  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 10:56:32am

re: #22 Sharmuta

Wonder where they picked that story up from?

lol...reading yesterdays LGF threads.

26 yma o hyd  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 10:56:59am

Another thing I found suspicious are the scenes where the 'dead' boy is carried nack into his house. The boy does not look dead to me, his head is not flopping but looks well supported by his own neck muscles.

And, of course, the boy being buried has his head wrapped in the shroud, so tehhre is no way to say with certainty that it was the same one. That boy certainly was dead, but his body seemed smaller to me ...

What do you think?

27 Honorary Yooper  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 10:57:06am

re: #23 davinvalkri

What the hell was that bearded, bespectacled doctor on the right doing? Didn't look like he was "desperately trying to revive" some child killed in an Israeli strike. And why would the child's brother be filming it? Last Mohican is right, it's probably fake.

...But then why would the CNN guy take it at face value?

They swallow Hamas anti-Israeli propaganda whole, no questions asked.

It's why I can't stand CNN.

28 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 10:57:21am

re: #23 davinvalkri

What the hell was that bearded, bespectacled doctor on the right doing? Didn't look like he was "desperately trying to revive" some child killed in an Israeli strike. And why would the child's brother be filming it? Last Mohican is right, it's probably fake.

...But then why would the CNN guy take it at face value?

Useful idiot

29 FrogMarch  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 10:57:23am

re: #18 jorline

And Fox is running this.

High-Profile Doctor in Gaza Called an 'Apologist for Hamas'

International media reports, including those from the BBC, CBS, CNN and FOX’s sister station Sky News, present Gilbert as an ordinary doctor.

30 davinvalkri  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 10:57:29am

re: #24 Ojoe

To get my red cross first aid aid & CPR cards, the instructors said that the compressions may break ribs; but as the trade-off is dying, broken ribs from the compressions are OK.

Hell, my health teacher said if you end up breaking a rib, you're doing it right in terms of compression depth. Just as long as you don't break off the bottom of the sternum.

31 WriterMom  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 10:57:52am

LIZARDIM! I just got this 'alert'.

IDF "Israeli Defense Force", the Israeli Army is having a broadcast on U Tube
explaining what's going on, and the U Tube wants to remove it by using the excuse as not too many people are logging in. Please forward this email, so as many people will log in and the IDF will be able to have its voice heard.

Thanks



[Link: www.youtube.com...]

32 albusteve  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 10:58:20am

re: #26 yma o hyd

Another thing I found suspicious are the scenes where the 'dead' boy is carried nack into his house. The boy does not look dead to me, his head is not flopping but looks well supported by his own neck muscles.

And, of course, the boy being buried has his head wrapped in the shroud, so tehhre is no way to say with certainty that it was the same one. That boy certainly was dead, but his body seemed smaller to me ...

What do you think?

it's phoney...I was a RN back in the day...I've seen codes and revival attemps

33 bellamags  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 10:58:34am

it just furthers their sick twisted cause. who gives a sh*t if its true or not?

34 yma o hyd  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 10:58:49am

re: #20 jorline

{yma}

Hope you are well...good to see you.

Hiya {jorline} - how are you?

Me eyes are square from staring too much at the PC screen ... all those Israeli blogs to watch ...

35 jwb7605  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 10:58:49am

OT
Joe the Plumber is being interviewed on Fox.
He says he's going to Israel "to talk to other average Joes", not specifically to interview military members, since "that's the job of war correspondents".

He also listed his website, which I didn't know existed.

He doesn't consider himself a "professional war correspondent", and just came up another notch in my estimation of him.

36 jorline  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 10:58:54am

bbl

37 Tumulus11  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 10:58:59am

. This ghoulish charade was packaged for CNN and presented without a hint of doubt or skepticism.

38 sattv4u2  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 10:59:00am

re: #24 Ojoe

re: #30 davinvalkri

Hell, my health teacher said if you end up breaking a rib, you're doing it right in terms of compression depth. Just as long as you don't break off the bottom of the sternum.

100% correct. I have to take company mandated CPR twice a year and that is a recurring STRESSED theme

39 davinvalkri  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 10:59:29am

re: #27 Honorary Yooper

re: #28 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Ugh...sounds about right. And then the idiot protesters will pick up the images and send them far and wide, and Last Mohican's analysis will be lost in the flames.

40 MrWhite21  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 11:00:31am

There's no question that fake CPR scene was staged. The 'doctor' also appears to point to the monitor on the wall that isn't even connected to the boy on the bed. Shame on CNN.


I was also wondering if anyone could tell me what this confusing article means by this "The use of propaganda by Hamas differs (from Israel) in that it is more broad-brush." I don't see any mention of Israeli propaganda, only a vague assertion that it must also exist.

[Link: news.bbc.co.uk...]

41 Ojoe  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 11:00:34am

re: #38 sattv4u2

In fact the compressions move enough air around in the lungs that the breathing part is being de-emphasized now.

BBL

42 WriterMom  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 11:00:34am

Let's film our dead child for CNN instead of burrying him! Let's keep those cameras ROLLING!

43 Joan Not of Arc  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 11:00:57am

I'm not a doctor but even I could tell what a farce that was. The problem is the Palestinians aren't putting enough effort into their melodramatics. This is where people like Sean Penn or Susan Sarandon come in. They can use their acting talents to create more melodramatic and fairly realistic propaganda. I think the CNN audiences deserve better. The benchmarks were raised during the Obama campaign with the "hope" and "change" routine which seemed pretty sincere if you were drunk and half-asleep. Give the audiences some credit, already!

44 yma o hyd  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 11:01:09am

re: #23 davinvalkri

What the hell was that bearded, bespectacled doctor on the right doing? Didn't look like he was "desperately trying to revive" some child killed in an Israeli strike. And why would the child's brother be filming it? Last Mohican is right, it's probably fake.

...But then why would the CNN guy take it at face value?

Heh.
Its to illustrade the main point: the Israelis are sending those drones over which then kill innocent children playing on rooftops ...

I can't remember where I saw this, some Lizards may know, but Hamas is using children not just as human shields, bur r help in their fight.

Any bets those two lads were on the roof not to play, but as look-outs for Hamas?

45 jorline  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 11:01:17am

re: #34 yma o hyd

Hiya {jorline} - how are you?

Me eyes are square from staring too much at the PC screen ... all those Israeli blogs to watch ...

I'm well, thank you.

We need more information and not the slanted view that the MSM and Hamas is dishing out.

Have to run...later

46 jwb7605  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 11:01:34am

re: #39 davinvalkri

re: #28 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Ugh...sounds about right. And then the idiot protesters will pick up the images and send them far and wide, and Last Mohican's analysis will be lost in the flames.

Last Mohican will attain moonbat fame (as a target), LGF will be referenced frequently, and my advice to Last Mohican is to watch his privacy.

47 Pookykoala  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 11:01:41am

Professional nurse here and I agree with the Doctor. The whole scene looked staged. Especially the MD at the scene. He was talking, not performing the necessary medical assistance to revive the child. He only applied leads. And the family? The grief appeared contrived to say the least. Having been present at many codes, when family was present, they generally does not react that way at all. There is inconsolable wailing, crying, sometimes even screaming, especially with a young family member.

48 WriterMom  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 11:01:41am

re: #23 davinvalkri

Gaza has a VERY large number of creepy Pediatricans and "doctors" doncha know.

49 IslandLibertarian  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 11:02:03am

Real, shmeal...........
It's "Performance Art" meant to evoke horror and outrage...........
To get us feeling sympathy, to feel as the victim feels...........
while they sneak up behind us with their knives.

50 davinvalkri  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 11:02:05am

re: #43 Joan Not of Arc

I'm not a doctor but even I could tell what a farce that was. The problem is the Palestinians aren't putting enough effort into their melodramatics. This is where people like Sean Penn or Susan Sarandon come in. They can use their acting talents to create more melodramatic and fairly realistic propaganda. I think the CNN audiences deserve better. The benchmarks were raised during the Obama campaign with the "hope" and "change" routine which seemed pretty sincere if you were drunk and half-asleep. Give the audiences some credit, already!

snicker snicker laughter ha ha! Yeah sure, why not, if they like Hamas so much they can just head on over!

51 Opinionated  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 11:02:21am

I'm certain our next Surgeon General and celebrity doctor Sanjay Gupta will advice his friends at CNN that the Palestinians are staging medically improbable hospital scenes and CNN will report it immediately.

Or maybe not.

52 albusteve  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 11:02:36am

the Ist protects the MSM who in turn propagandize conflict...they help perpetuate the lies and myths that cost innocent people their lives...pretty people on flashy sets with a straight face...they are killers imo..
.the MSM is my dire enemy

53 WriterMom  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 11:02:38am

re: #47 Pookykoala

Conversely, when Jews die, there is widespread Arab ululation in hospitals.

54 cracker-crusader  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 11:03:15am

The fact is ALL news reports from Gaza are censored and approved by Hamas. Period.

55 thefallingman  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 11:03:29am

I like this line from the "Story Highlights" on the top left:

Mahmoud died after a rocket hit his family's home as he played on the roof


Really? What irresponsible parents were letting their child play on a roof as major military operations were ongoing in the area?

Also, as a two-time OIF vet, I'm accustomed to seeing the after effects of rocket and mortar impacts and don't see any of the customary charring that I'm used to. There's also something odd about the supposed debris pattern.

56 davinvalkri  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 11:03:57am

re: #51 Opinionated

I'm certain our next Surgeon General and celebrity doctor Sanjay Gupta will advice his friends at CNN that the Palestinians are staging medically improbable hospital scenes and CNN will report it immediately.

Or maybe not.

Any medical doctors with elite video editing skills care to take a stab at a zombie-style deconstruction of the hospital scene?

57 Haole  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 11:03:57am

How many of you would send your kids up to the roof to play during a fricken war?

FAKE

58 WriterMom  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 11:04:08am
I think the man in the white coat knows this child is actually alive, and is making the simulated chest compressions gentle so as not to hurt the child.

Great point. Seriously thumping and pushing down that big guy's weight on the child's sternum-wouldn't that actually totally crush a child?

59 cornerback  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 11:04:57am

The minute I saw this video I knew that it was a pathetic fake.

I also saw that now it's coming out that only 7 people were killed in that UNRWA School rocket depot and launch base, not 40.
Jenin redux?

60 FrogMarch  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 11:05:13am

Our left-wing media is happy to believe anything that depicts the Palestinians as poor victims - and the IDF as cruel child killers.


Never mind the truth.

61 FrogMarch  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 11:05:47am

Marxists are assholes.

62 shanec99  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 11:05:47am

Pardon the interruption here... but can anyone tell me why people are saying that Obama's propsed tax cuts are too expensive... especially since we need more purchaces to encourage production and increase employment?
[Link: www.washingtonpost.com...]
I hate the doo doo head Democratioc dominated legislature. Obama has one good idea and they oppose him.

63 albusteve  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 11:06:03am

re: #58 WriterMom

Great point. Seriously thumping and pushing down that big guy's weight on the child's sternum-wouldn't that actually totally crush a child?

you use what force is needed to pump the muscle maybe more but certainly no less

64 Opinionated  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 11:06:10am

In the history of human civilization have any other people- before these savages- ever played with the corpses of their loved ones for political advantage?

65 Outrider  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 11:06:46am

In my opinion, the better question is; even if the footage WAS real, why in hell would CNN be showing it? A child dying on video-cam is not news. They are creating news and it is morbidly sick. It also reveals a not so hidden agenda by showing it, that of being a propaganda shill.

66 Leonidas Hoplite  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 11:07:14am

You'd think the media would let everyone know before airing a report like that that everything that comes out of Gaza is approved by Hamas, and therefore suspect.

Unless, you know, you think they have an agenda to support.

67 cornerback  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 11:07:33am

re: #64 Opinionated

In the history of human civilization have any other people- before these savages- ever played with the corpses of their loved ones for political advantage?

who said they love them?

68 bellamags  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 11:07:50am

CNN is now just a propaganda machine for terrorism. INSANITY.

This blog is so cool. You all have completely debunked that video. Now lets see who in the MSM has the balls to concur with us.

69 turn  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 11:08:19am

re: #55 thefallingman

That broken up cinder block brick on the roof also looked completely staged. I took it that was supposedly where the shell struck but there wasn't any damage to the roof or charring either. All propaganda.

70 Hard Right  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 11:08:28am

Curses! Foiled again by those meddling LGR's!

71 yma o hyd  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 11:08:37am

re: #40 MrWhite21

There's no question that fake CPR scene was staged. The 'doctor' also appears to point to the monitor on the wall that isn't even connected to the boy on the bed. Shame on CNN.

I was also wondering if anyone could tell me what this confusing article means by this "The use of propaganda by Hamas differs (from Israel) in that it is more broad-brush." I don't see any mention of Israeli propaganda, only a vague assertion that it must also exist.

[Link: news.bbc.co.uk...]


Read anything on the Beeb with grave suspicion!
They are not on Israel's side, and are weaselling out when one complains.

Here is a sentence from your link that caught my eye:
'But the Hamas statement made its point - and its point is to be a rallying cry of anger and accusation. Such statements reverberate around the world.'

Yeah - they 'reverberate around the world' because the FMSM, like the Beeb, give them the space and room to effen reverberate, unchecked if they're true or not.
And then they ahve the gall to label Israel's clarifications as 'propaganda'!

72 Killian Bundy  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 11:08:49am
the death of a “freelance cameraman’s” brother in Gaza

Even for the non-faked "civilian" casualties, too bad.

/next time, pay attention to the leaflets the Israelis are dropping and leave the area, then you and your children won't get dead

73 Arbalest  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 11:09:39am

I've seen plenty of emergency room action on TV, and every one of them shows more intensity and determination than Mads and the heavy bearded fool.

Mads is essentially giving up on the "patient", and the heavy guy seems to be more intent on looking for cues than playing his part.

So which is it? Either the patient is already dead, and this video is a fraud, or the patient is alive and in no danger, and this video is a fraud.

I've copied the link to the video, for later reference in showing Mads Gilbert's complicity in this fraud. The video might prove useful in the near future.

74 Leonidas Hoplite  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 11:09:40am

re: #62 shanec99

Money = Earmarks and other goodies for Constituents
Constituents = Votes

Therefore, Money = Votes

75 Opinionated  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 11:10:10am

re: #67 cornerback

who said they love them?

They superficially look human, eyes, ears, nose, two legs, I gave then some benefit of the doubt. My mistake.

76 Last Mohican  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 11:10:20am

Thanks, all, for the kudos. I'm glad this story has some legs, at least on LGF.

For the past half hour or so, I've actually been trying to figure out how to download the CNN video so that it can be saved for posterity in case it mysteriously disappears from CNN, or gets re-edited. But alas, my technical skills have fallen short.

I wish I could hang around here for any further discussion, but unfortunately I have to head off for a few hours to do some real work. I'll come back and review this thread in detail later tonight in case something else comes to light. And if someone could figure out a way to download the video, I'd be much obliged. Besides just making sure that CNN doesn't "disappear" it, we might be able to zoom in a little more on the patient, or on the flashing monitor screen, to see if there's more information to be gleaned.

77 realwest  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 11:11:05am

Major Props to Last Mohican! And to Charles for, once again, busting the media's false photos and videos!

78 Guanxi88  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 11:11:18am

re: #75 Opinionated

They superficially look human, eyes, ears, nose, two legs, I gave then some benefit of the doubt. My mistake.

I seem to recall that's one of the definitions of a demon - they appear human, but have no soul.

79 Leonidas Hoplite  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 11:11:28am

re: #76 Last Mohican

Lizard Army, you have your orders. Move Out!

80 wrenchwench  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 11:12:06am

re: #31 WriterMom

LIZARDIM! I just got this 'alert'.

[Link: www.youtube.com...]

I "subscribed." It says that channel is the "most subscribed this month."

idfnadesk

35 Videos 14,147 Subscribers

I doubt the veracity of "not too many people logging in."

81 Creeping Eruption  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 11:12:08am

Can Charles rig-up a "throbbing chest compressions" video to go with Rather's memo?

82 redstateredneck  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 11:12:18am

re: #76 Last Mohican

Good job. Go save some lives now.

83 Creeping Eruption  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 11:12:46am

re: #70 Hard Right

Curses! Foiled again by those meddling LGR's!

Thats right, now here's your Scooby snack.

84 Hard Right  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 11:12:54am

re: #70 Hard Right

Curses! Foiled again by those meddling LGFr's!


PIMF

85 turn  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 11:12:58am

re: #76 Last Mohican

Hey LM there you are. I didn't search back to your original post to ding ya up so I'll do it here. Good work Dr. Lizard!

86 jwb7605  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 11:13:02am

re: #78 Guanxi88

I seem to recall that's one of the definitions of a demon - they appear human, but have no soul.

History Channel recently ran a "Seven Deadly Sins" miniseries, and that's exactly the definition that was given. Demons are apparently responsible for tempting us into the sins.

87 Hard Right  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 11:13:11am

re: #83 Creeping Eruption

Thats right, now here's your Scooby snack.


Roohoo!

88 Hard Right  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 11:13:55am

re: #78 Guanxi88

I seem to recall that's one of the definitions of a demon - they appear human, but have no soul.

Not another post on Jimmuh Carter and liberals...
///

89 cornerback  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 11:14:02am

re: #75 Opinionated

no problem. I just don't want you to get killed.

90 Opinionated  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 11:14:23am

re: #76 Last Mohican

Too bad your observations will only be valued here -and in similar locations- in our own little universe where reality is still based on actual truths.

91 realwest  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 11:14:25am

re: #76 Last Mohican
HEY CHARLES - can y'all make a copy of this video in case, as Last Mohican suggests, CNN suddenly loses it?!

92 Killgore Trout  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 11:14:43am

I wonder who edited the segment. CNN or the cameraman? Perhaps CNN could be persuaded to release the unedited tape.

93 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 11:14:58am

re: #76 Last Mohican

we might be able to zoom in a little more on the patient, or on the flashing monitor screen

That fact that it's showing "Trapper John, M.D." also makes me suspicious.

94 Hard Right  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 11:15:09am

re: #92 Killgore Trout

I wonder who edited the segment. CNN or the cameraman? Perhaps CNN could be persuaded to release the unedited tape.

That probably was the unedited tape.

95 jester6  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 11:15:10am

I have done CPR on real people nearly 100 times. These are not real chest compressions. You don't even have to bother with rest of the analysis. This is complete garbage.

Regardless of weight, if you do chest compressions for real you often break ribs where they connect to the sternum. This is a known complication of performing CPR. I forget the actual depth in inches you are supposed to compress but in practice the compressions need to be forceful enough to compress the chest about 50% of the way to the spine.

96 sattv4u2  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 11:15:15am

Slightly off topic ,, BUt,,,

Hezbollah denies involvement in new rocket attacks on Israel

So there I was, standing in an airport in Utah when an angry bunch of Mormons entered. I asked where they were going. They stated 'Well, to Lebanon, of course, so we can fire rockets into Israel"!

Mystery colved !

97 joeljournal  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 11:15:53am

There is another reason to believe the video is fake.

Twice towards the end of the footage, we see a woman among the mourners in the funeral procession and at the grave. But Islamic funerals do not permit women to accompany the men during the burial. That would suggest very strongly that the "funeral" was staged for the cameras.

98 sattv4u2  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 11:16:30am

re: #96 sattv4u2

Slightly off topic ,, BUt,,,

Hezbollah denies involvement in new rocket attacks on Israel

So there I was, standing in an airport in Utah when an angry bunch of Mormons entered. I asked where they were going. They stated 'Well, to Lebanon, of course, so we can fire rockets into Israel"!

Mystery colved !

SOLVED ,,, PIMF

99 Pastorius  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 11:16:46am

Well, the Palestinian guy in the coat didn't want to hurt the poor kid.

At least there's one thing positive we can take out of this.

//

100 jcm  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 11:17:08am

I've done CPR countless times as a firefighter / EMT. I concur with Last Mohican. Fake compresses, no ventilation. Phony.

101 Hard Right  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 11:17:32am

re: #99 Pastorius

Well, the Palestinian guy in the coat didn't want to hurt the poor kid.

At least there's one thing positive we can take out of this.

//

He wanted to give the kid a chance martyr himself. Dying of chest compressions would not be manly.

102 davinvalkri  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 11:18:17am

re: #97 joeljournal

There is another reason to believe the video is fake.

Twice towards the end of the footage, we see a woman among the mourners in the funeral procession and at the grave. But Islamic funerals do not permit women to accompany the men during the burial. That would suggest very strongly that the "funeral" was staged for the cameras.

Jeez, the more we look at the video, the more fake things we can find. If only the MSM had our High-Quality Lizard Eyes (TM) to look over these news reports.

103 turn  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 11:18:23am

re: #92 Killgore Trout

I wonder who edited the segment. CNN or the cameraman? Perhaps CNN could be persuaded to release the unedited tape.

That is an excellent point KT, not only would CNN air phony video they might go so far as to help edit it to make it look more believable.

104 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 11:18:23am

One other thing; note when they roll the alleged dead child over to cover him, there's this one, small, neat blood splotch on the sheet below. I'm no doctor, etc., but does this seem consistent with someone who allegedly just died from shrapnel injuries? I'd think there would be blood everywhere.

105 WriterMom  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 11:18:50am

This is the ultimate Hamas be careful what you wish for story.

BWHAHHAHAHAHHAAHA

106 doppelganglander  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 11:18:57am

Thanks, Last Mohican. I'm glad we have the perspective of a real medical expert.

107 Blackacre  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 11:18:58am

Move over Green Helmet Guy. The White Lab Coat GuysTM are here.

108 WriterMom  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 11:19:44am

re: #92 Killgore Trout

Oh sure. I'm sure they would be very interested in that. As soon as the LA Times releases it's videos, too.

109 Killgore Trout  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 11:19:49am

Can any military Lizards guess what kind on munition was allegedly used? At 1:40 he points to the impact site. It left what looks to be a very distinctive pattern of 3 burn marks in the concrete.

110 sattv4u2  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 11:19:58am

re: #102 davinvalkri

Jeez, the more we look at the video, the more fake things we can find. If only the MSM had our High-Quality Lizard Eyes (TM) to look over these news reports didn't hate Israel so much and took an eight of a second to look at the video .

more accurate

111 jaunte  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 11:20:06am

Highly profitable for CNN: cheap production, no expensive reporters, just run the tape and comment, then run a commercial block and rake in the money. So-called news coverage in a down economy. The news version of 'reality' TV.
So what if your news operation plays into the hands of murderous propagandists.

112 Hhar  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 11:20:31am

Concur. This is a fake.

No ventilation, way too gentle for an adolescent resuscitation.


fake fake fake fake fake


To be scrupulously fair, the kid may have died, and they are only stagingthe resusc. for the cameras. But even so:

[Link: jeffreygoldberg.theatlantic.com...]

113 Dianna  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 11:20:31am

re: #104 Occasional Reader

One other thing; note when they roll the alleged dead child over to cover him, there's this one, small, neat blood splotch on the sheet below. I'm no doctor, etc., but does this seem consistent with someone who allegedly just died from shrapnel injuries? I'd think there would be blood everywhere.

Think of what you end up with from a paper cut!

I know - I ended up with a number of envelopes smeared with blood from one paper cut.

114 WriterMom  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 11:20:37am

re: #104 Occasional Reader

Blood from explosions? Nah!

No blood on kid, no blood on nice clean lab coats either.

But that's because it was a secret Zionist "clean" bomb.

115 Killgore Trout  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 11:20:47am

re: #103 turn

That is an excellent point KT, not only would CNN air phony video they might go so far as to help edit it to make it look more believable.

Or they blindly accepted video edited by Hamas. Either way it's not good for CNN.

116 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 11:20:59am

re: #105 WriterMom

This is the ultimate Hamas be careful what you wish for story.

BWHAHHAHAHAHHAAHA

Unfortunately I hit a stumbling block at the very first phrase:

When Hamas leader Nizar Rayyan was assassinated in an IAF strike last week

And this, in a pro-Israeli source?! Sheesh.

117 Creeping Eruption  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 11:21:00am

re: #105 WriterMom

This is the ultimate Hamas be careful what you wish for story.

BWHAHHAHAHAHHAAHA

SO fucked up . . my typical exchange with my kids is something like: "would you like to go to the grocery store with me? We can go to the play ground afterwards." I don't think I have asked them to die with me lately.

When they murder there own children with glee, what should we expect them to do to ours?

118 WriterMom  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 11:21:35am

re: #116 Occasional Reader

True. A better verb would have been atomized.

119 faraway  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 11:21:40am

The gloves on both men are solid white - no blood.

120 jwb7605  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 11:21:53am

re: #114 WriterMom

Blood from explosions? Nah!

No blood on kid, no blood on nice clean lab coats either.

But that's because it was a secret Zionist "clean" bomb.

BE CAREFUL about accidentally releasing military secrets!
/////

121 Killgore Trout  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 11:21:58am

Get ready for the incoming traffic surge when this story get picked up.

122 WriterMom  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 11:22:06am

Charles-OR has a great point @ 104.

123 turn  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 11:22:15am

re: #115 Killgore Trout

Or they blindly accepted video edited by Hamas. Either way it's not good for CNN.

Yeah not good, they better issue that retraction right away.
/

124 redstateredneck  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 11:22:16am

re: #117 Creeping Eruption

SO fucked up . . my typical exchange with my kids is something like: "would you like to go to the grocery store with me? We can go to the play ground afterwards." I don't think I have asked them to die with me lately.

When they murder there own children with glee, what should we expect them to do to ours?

They do not care about their children. Their attitude is they can always have more. Children are disposable in the Arab world.

125 Creeping Eruption  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 11:22:32am

re: #117 Creeping Eruption

SO fucked up . . my typical exchange with my kids is something like: "would you like to go to the grocery store with me? We can go to the play ground afterwards." I don't think I have asked them to die with me lately.

When they murder there own children with glee, what should we expect them to do to ours?

There = their. My fingers are even too angry to type

126 ted  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 11:22:49am

Kudos go Last Mohican for his excellent observations. As a physician myself, I also might add it seems that the cables to the monitor in the upper left are not hooked up to the patient and are just dangling.

Conclusion: Staged

127 WriterMom  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 11:23:00am

re: #124 redstateredneck

They are bullet proof vests...or so they thought.

128 albusteve  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 11:23:17am

re: #115 Killgore Trout

Or they blindly accepted video edited by Hamas. Either way it's not good for CNN.

what are you getting at?...CNN is bullet proof...they have had their alibi ready to go any minute for years...nobody can hold them accountable...

129 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 11:23:21am

re: #119 faraway

The gloves on both men are solid white - no blood.

Excellent point.

130 Creeping Eruption  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 11:23:56am

re: #124 redstateredneck

Their attitude is they can always have more.

Not this family thank God.

131 Lizard by the Bay  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 11:23:57am

re: #124 redstateredneck

They do not care about their children. Their attitude is they can always have more. Children are disposable in the Arab world.

More than that, death is actually valued more than life. Living, a child is one more competitor for food, money, etc. Dead, they're a weapon against Jews.

132 realwest  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 11:24:22am

re: #111 jaunte
CNN has a news operation? Really? Gee, I never knew that before!
/

133 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 11:24:22am

re: #114 WriterMom

Blood from explosions? Nah!

No blood on kid, no blood on nice clean lab coats either.

But that's because it was a secret Zionist "clean" bomb.


No, silly, the boy's blood had already been drained by the Zionists to make Passover matzohs! Don't you know anything?

134 redstateredneck  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 11:24:27am

re: #127 WriterMom

They are bullet proof vests...or so they thought.

I know a guy who works in Saudi Arabia and he has said that Arabs do not understand the concept of putting your child's life above your own.
At all.

135 cornerback  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 11:24:52am

re: #75 Opinionated

They superficially look human, eyes, ears, nose, two legs, I gave then some benefit of the doubt. My mistake.

"Rayyan was one of Hamas' extremist preachers, and believed that those who die fighting Israel die as "martyrs" and go directly to paradise. He encouraged his followers to have several wives and as many children as possible, in order to provide future soldiers in the fight against Israel. He also encouraged Hamas to take over Judea and Samaria and carry out suicide attacks targeting Jews. "

'nuff said

136 redstateredneck  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 11:24:55am

re: #131 Lizard by the Bay

More than that, death is actually valued more than life. Living, a child is one more competitor for food, money, etc. Dead, they're a weapon against Jews.

And a paycheck from Iran.

137 jwb7605  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 11:25:18am

re: #121 Killgore Trout

Get ready for the incoming traffic surge when this story get picked up.

I just passed the link to Drudge (anonymously).
If it makes it, we'll check out Charles' new server.

138 Leonidas Hoplite  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 11:25:35am

re: #134 redstateredneck

I know a guy who works in Saudi Arabia and he has said that Arabs do not understand the concept of putting your child's life above your own.
At all.

What about other kid's lives?

139 lifeofthemind  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 11:25:55am

I'm CPR certified and it looks bogus to me, if it was real the two would be working focused on the patient, not one guy massaging it like a piece of meat.

140 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 11:26:18am

In late -- it may have already been caught -- LOOK at the roof scene, the damaged cinder block, the general condition of the roof around it.

(from the video) "The family home had been hit by a rocket -- fired, says the family, from a pilotless Israeli drone."

THERE WAS NO EXPLOSION THERE!

I call BULLSHIT on THAT part TOO!

141 Opinionated  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 11:26:25am

There are three opinion pieces in the NY Times today, all, including one by Obama's buddy, critical of Israel. Not one pro Israel.

What's the word I'm thinking off, oh, yeah, it's disproportionate.

142 redstateredneck  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 11:26:26am

re: #138 Leonidas Hoplite

What about other kid's lives?

My guess would be if they don't value their own they couldn't care less about others.

143 faraway  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 11:26:41am

re: #57 Haole

How many of you would send your kids up to the roof to play during a fricken war?

FAKE

Play with rockets maybe

144 turn  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 11:26:54am

How many of you lizards played Clue when you were kids? Damn, you are good at putting the faux pieces of the "crime" together.

145 rawmuse  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 11:26:59am

re: #76 Last Mohican

THANK YOU Doc! I know you are a busy person, and I wish you did not have to spend your precious time on nonsense like this, but I am glad that you did.

146 strangelove  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 11:27:02am

I've done CPR on people people before, and some of them were little kids.
The actions being taken by the man with the beard were not compressions at all. Either the child was faking death, or was already dead at the time of the filming. But what that guy was doing would do nothing in terms of blood/oxygen circulation. He was just short of rapidly pushing on the kid's belly.

Just more Pali BS that CNN falls for and plops out there as news.

147 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 11:27:04am

re: #139 lifeofthemind

I'm CPR certified and it looks bogus to me, if it was real the two would be working focused on the patient, not one guy massaging it like a piece of meat.

... while the other has a nice chat with the camera.

148 realwest  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 11:27:17am

Well y'all it's been interesting and educational as usual today, but I gotta go eat some lunch!
Hope you all have a great day and that I get the chance to see you down the road!

149 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 11:27:37am

re: #144 turn

How many of you lizards played Clue when you were kids? Damn, you are good at putting the faux pieces of the "crime" together.

Mr. Green Helmet in the Conservatory with a Compliant Media

150 Viking6  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 11:27:39am

Well if we do a little Crime Scene review I would say that first the damaged shown was not the result of any missle fired from a UAV. The typical load is a "Hellfire" and if you are not familar with the destructive power just go see the numerous videos of vehicles being destroyed by the device. Second, the debris shown at the top of the roof corner is not typical of a strike by a ballistic object. Nor do the blocks appear to be an integral part of the roof or building construction. It appears that the focus of the damage was from a down angle but there does not appear to be any blast debris at the focus of the damage beyond a few inches. The velocity of any explosive drive device should generate a significant splatter pattern at the time of impact. I do not see that in this film.

As the camera moves from the alledged initial impact point you can see what appears to be a debris trail leading in the general direction of where the "blood and shrapnel" spray is found. However, it appears from the initial point of impact to the wall is at a different angle than the generalized spray pattern on the roof top. This would appear to be a direct contridiction to the angles of blast created if the blocks were the original point of impact.

It sure doesn't look like the real deal to me.

151 redstateredneck  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 11:27:43am

re: #141 Opinionated

What's the word I'm thinking off, oh, yeah, it's disproportionate.


Fucked up?
/two words

152 Killgore Trout  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 11:28:02am

re: #140 pre-Boomer Marine brat

I 'm wonder about the three burn marks that he seems to point to as the impact site. What kind of weapon would do that?

153 dizzy  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 11:28:13am

Is it just me or does the body language of the Norwegian Marxist seem to be tentative, as if he knows he is being mendacious for the camera?

Any one with the skills to analyze body language care to comment?

154 jwb7605  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 11:28:22am

re: #151 redstateredneck

Fucked up?
/two words

FUBAR
Five words.

155 Rune  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 11:29:04am

re: #43 Joan Not of Arc

I'm not a doctor but even I could tell what a farce that was. The problem is the Palestinians aren't putting enough effort into their melodramatics.

They don’t have to put effort into it when the MSM buys it anyway. Like with for instance Reuter-gate under the war against Hezbollah, which would never have been revealed to be a fraud without blogs forcing them to. And again we need to get the message out there, that the footage is staged.

156 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 11:29:40am

re: #152 Killgore Trout

I 'm wonder about the three burn marks that he seems to point to as the impact site. What kind of weapon would do that?

A paint-ball gun.

157 turn  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 11:29:47am

re: #149 Occasional Reader

Mr. Green Helmet in the Conservatory with a Compliant Media

Rageboy in the UN school with white phosphorus.

Ha, good on OR.

158 wrenchwench  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 11:30:17am

Just after the guy in the green scrubs walks in front of the camera, you get a glimpse of the leg of the boy in the bed. There is a big gash in it, and it's not bleeding. I think he had already been dead for a while.

159 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 11:30:20am

re: #152 Killgore Trout

I 'm wonder about the three burn marks that he seems to point to as the impact site. What kind of weapon would do that?

We'll have to close the beaches.

160 redstateredneck  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 11:30:33am

re: #154 jwb7605

FUBAR
Five words.

Reminds me. Years ago I was working for a company taking inventory and the person I was working with kept telling me to put FUBAR on different things. I thought it was a technical term until somebody told me.

161 rawmuse  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 11:31:10am

Pardon me, but aren't the MSM the ones who are supposed to have all the experts on hand to vet the obviously faked?

I don't care that they, if fact, are that stupid, but it insults me that they think that WE are also.

162 WriterMom  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 11:31:21am

re: #133 Occasional Reader

Well, my gentile friend...technically speaking-Purim precedes Passover, so it could be that the blood was for Hamentashen, and not matza..but details, details....

163 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 11:31:35am

re: #150 Viking6

And the cinder block is clean -- no residue from any sort that I can see.

164 subsailor68  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 11:31:36am

It seems to me that the "quality" of the fake footage isn't really that important to the "film maker." For a couple of reasons.

1. If this was created for dissemination to the Arab street, they're predisposed to believe anyway.

2. If this was created for useful idiots like CNN, the fact that the morons took it at face value means it did its job there as well.

Thank God for LGF and folks like LM.

165 WriterMom  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 11:31:40am

re: #152 Killgore Trout

Magic markers?

166 So?  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 11:31:46am

re: #31 WriterMom

LIZARDIM! I just got this 'alert'.

[Link: www.youtube.com...]

I don't understand. I've had a youtube video up for 8 months with only 90 hits cause I never did anything with it. A project I never realized. What do you mean they want to remove it? Doesn't make sense.

167 Picayune  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 11:32:23am

re: #126 ted

Kudos go Last Mohican for his excellent observations. As a physician
myself, I also might add it seems that the cables to the monitor in the
upper left are not hooked up to the patient and are just dangling.

Conclusion: Staged


Nah, this is an official "Defensive Video". Fake or innacurate has nothing to do with it. Just ask Dhimmi Carter, [bigoted word] Rep. Ellison, or Cynthia McK. Pretzel logic runs amuck!
///

Thanks for the effort, Dr. Mo.

168 Viking6  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 11:32:36am

re: #163 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Yep... I would wager an ale that this is totally staged.

169 turn  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 11:33:00am

re: #153 dizzy

Is it just me or does the body language of the Norwegian Marxist seem to be tentative, as if he knows he is being mendacious for the camera?

Any one with the skills to analyze body language care to comment?

I'm no Tanya Reiman (sp?) but his messing around with the monitor was definitely overly dramatic to me.

170 yma o hyd  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 11:33:12am

re: #140 pre-Boomer Marine brat

In late -- it may have already been caught -- LOOK at the roof scene, the damaged cinder block, the general condition of the roof around it.

(from the video) "The family home had been hit by a rocket -- fired, says the family, from a pilotless Israeli drone."

THERE WAS NO EXPLOSION THERE!

I call BULLSHIT on THAT part TOO!

Right!

And I call bullshit on the part saying they were 'only playing' on the roof!

I think they were doing look-out duty for Hamas, who, as we all know, use children not just as human shields but also for tasks to help Hams fight the Israelis - look-outs, mesengers, what-have-you.

171 So?  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 11:33:44am

CNN=HNN
Hamas News Network

172 Creeping Eruption  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 11:34:05am

LOL: I sent my liberal leaning mom the clip of the Hamas blooper and just got the following e-mail back:

Off with his head!

Times like these I feel we are getting through to people.

173 sattv4u2  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 11:34:08am

I'm at work, feeding FOX NEWS a piece of video that shows mortar fire coming FROM that UN school in the Gaza that the IDF bombed a few days ago. The footage of the mortars being fired are from OCTOBER 29th 2008!
I cannot say when/ if this will be on any Fox News report, but it seems as if the video is up on YouTube

174 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 11:34:08am

Trying to pass that off as a "missile strike" scene should get someone at CNN fired.

/but will probably get the liar a corner office and key to the Executive Washroom

175 ladycatnip  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 11:34:16am

#76 Last Mohican,

Thank you for your insight into this ridiculously staged video. What's even more disturbing is how concerned the CNN anchor is in warning us that this is a disturbing video.

What the public is getting from the msm is a steady diet of journalism's death; the news people are all standing around wearing their white coats, pretending to resuscitate it.

176 Sharmuta  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 11:34:28am

re: #161 rawmuse

Pardon me, but aren't the MSM the ones who are supposed to have all the experts on hand to vet the obviously faked?

I don't care that they, if fact, are that stupid, but it insults me that they think that WE are also.

They're not concerned with accuracy- this is all about propagandizing.

177 WriterMom  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 11:34:28am

re: #153 dizzy

Sure, I'm a bit of an expert...

What he is saying is 'yes, if I shake my head knowingly, I will indicate to the world that I KNOW the evil Jews, those Nazis, killed another beloved child of war, and then if I nod my head, it will make me look SERIOUS and COMPASSIONATE, and like a real doctor, and if only I could control the voices in my head saying KILL THE JEWS KILL THE JEWS...I really need new meds...WOW I am a doctor, and I can just help myself...no mummmy, no mummy...don't do that to me nooooooooooooooo"

178 Leonidas Hoplite  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 11:34:41am

I have the perfect karma number right now, for me at least. Thanks Lizards!

179 turn  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 11:35:16am

re: #161 rawmuse

Pardon me, but aren't the MSM the ones who are supposed to have all the experts on hand to vet the obviously faked?

I don't care that they, if fact, are that stupid, but it insults me that they think that WE are also.

The only experts they have on hand are the ones that filter out the shit that doesn't fit their agenda.

180 faraway  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 11:35:20am

CNN is fake.

181 sattv4u2  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 11:35:27am

re: #178 Leonidas Hoplite

I have the perfect karma number right now, for me at least. Thanks Lizards!

matches your age ? IQ ? weight !?!?!?!?!?!

182 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 11:35:55am

Can any MD's, nurse practicioners or paramedics on this thread comment on the apparent lack of blood on the sheets, surgical gloves, coats, etc.?

183 Outrider  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 11:36:06am
’m no military expert, but I am a doctor, and this video is bullsh-t. The chest compressions that were being performed at the beginning of this video were absolutely, positively fake. The large man in the white coat was NOT performing CPR on that child. He was just sort of tapping on the child’s sternum a little bit with his fingers.

On the other hand, maybe this merely goes to point out the level of medical competence found in Gaza? Perhaps even the foreign doctors they have are only there because they are not qualified to practice anywhere else? Just a sarcastic theory ;-)>

184 Dianna  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 11:36:21am

re: #178 Leonidas Hoplite

I have the perfect karma number right now, for me at least. Thanks Lizards!

Ha!

185 redstateredneck  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 11:36:24am

re: #176 Sharmuta

They're not concerned with accuracy- this is all about propagandizing.


It's the Dan Rather School of Journalism.
Fake but accurate.
While this may not be actual footage, we're sure that this happens all the time so it's okay that it's not real.

186 WriterMom  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 11:36:37am

re: #182 Occasional Reader

It's invisible blood. DUH.

187 Guanxi88  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 11:36:46am

re: #171 So?

CNN=HNN
Hamas News Network

Well, don't CNN have that new HLN network now? "Head Line News," they say, "Hamas Lies Network" seems to work better.

188 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 11:36:52am

re: #181 sattv4u2

matches your age ? IQ ? weight !?!?!?!?!?!

No, "300". Consider his name, and avatar. Think about it!

189 jcm  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 11:36:52am

At 1:22 in the video show the "rocket" impact point on the roof. Making the claim the boys were target by a small rocket fired by a drone.

IAF may be using Predator MQ-1 drones with Hellfires AGM-114 missiles.

The damage on the roof is nowhere near what a Hellfire would cause.

As far as I am aware, the Hellfire is the smallest thing carried by a drone.

190 TheAntichrist  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 11:36:58am

The guy doing the "chest compressions" is awfully fat for living amidst the starving masses in Gaza... unless he's ne of the Hamas members stealing the food of course.

191 sattv4u2  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 11:37:18am

re: #188 Occasional Reader

No, "300". Consider his name, and avatar. Think about it!

I'm at work ,,, I NEVER think while I'm here !

192 Sharmuta  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 11:37:30am

re: #185 redstateredneck

It's the Dan Rather School of Journalism.
Fake but accurate.
While this may not be actual footage, we're sure that this happens all the time so it's okay that it's not real.

It feels accurate, and is ready made to fit into their pre-existing worldview.

193 Dianna  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 11:37:50am

re: #182 Occasional Reader

Can any MD's, nurse practicioners or paramedics on this thread comment on the apparent lack of blood on the sheets, surgical gloves, coats, etc.?

I'm none of the above, but either the kid wasn't hurt, or the kid had been dead for quite some time.

194 subsailor68  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 11:38:23am

re: #188 Occasional Reader

No, "300". Consider his name, and avatar. Think about it!

Heh, heh. Yep. "Go tell the Spartans, stranger passing by" and all that.

195 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 11:38:24am

re: #191 sattv4u2

I'm at work ,,, I NEVER think while I'm here !

Which Congressional district do you represent?

196 Outrider  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 11:38:34am

re: #181 sattv4u2

matches your age ? IQ ? weight !?!?!?!?!?!

the nic....the avatar....300..... ;-)>

197 vapig  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 11:39:08am

re: #180 faraway

CNN is fake.

Your fakes are belong to us.

198 Creeping Eruption  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 11:39:12am

re: #182 Occasional Reader

Can any MD's, nurse practicioners or paramedics on this thread comment on the apparent lack of blood on the sheets, surgical gloves, coats, etc.?

Married to one and wish she was here now. Watching "Life in the E.R." and such shows with her is like sitting there with Howard Cosell.

199 albusteve  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 11:40:22am

how could any moral person think that anything less than the total desruction of Hamas is acceptable...Israel must press on no matter what to finish off this monster

200 debutaunt  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 11:40:48am

re: #105 WriterMom

This is the ultimate Hamas be careful what you wish for story.

BWHAHHAHAHAHHAAHA

Thanks, but no - I'm going to the mall.

201 Killgore Trout  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 11:40:51am

This is interesting.....
Tale of a young Palestinian's death

The cameraman, Ashraf Mashharawi, was working for Chanel 4. Also watch the Chanel 4 video, the shots appear in a different order, Very good film of the fake compressions, and some very bad acting from our communist doctor. More detailed shot of the scene on the roof.

202 faraway  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 11:40:56am

Interesting that this is a CNN story, not an AP repost.

203 dizzy  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 11:41:01am

re: #177 WriterMom

I agree with your summary, but I attribute MUCH more arrogance to his outlook.

204 G.Karp  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 11:41:57am

Note that at 1:03 the "doctors" wrap him up in a sheet with a small transfer stain apparently from the pool of blood on the bed next to him. By the final shot, the "burial" scene, the blood stain has enlarged considerably despite the fact that the "vicitm's" heart is no longer supposed to be beating. While its possible we don't see the larger blood stain in the first shot, its more likely someone added more "blood" to make the cemetery scene more ghoulish. They may have changed sheets for the "cradling the body" scene and messed up on continuity.

Along the same lines, why would "scores" of women and children be at their house? How would they know it was a drone that fired the missle? Why is there no debris at their home? The house appears to be demolished, not damaged. A drone fired missle is unlikely to leave nothing but the floor.

The quality of Pallywood is slipping of late. Still, eager customers like CNN are only too happy to line up to pay for their product with their own credibility.

205 yma o hyd  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 11:42:21am

Heh.
Israellycool gives hat tip to LGF (at 8.00 pm), with the beautiful sentence 'The Elder Of Moron hath spoketh' ...

206 Outrider  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 11:42:50am

re: #198 Creeping Eruption

Married to one and wish she was here now. Watching "Life in the E.R." and such shows with her is like sitting there with Howard Cosell.

Do bureaucrats do the same thing when watching shows like Office? "Damn, he has a model 200 stapler on his desk! That would never work for his tasks!" "Shoot, if someone opened an envelope that way in real life, they get a paper cut", or "Did you see that! She filed that document in the third drawer! Fools! That document always goes in the second drawer!"

207 Sharmuta  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 11:42:52am

re: #201 Killgore Trout

This is interesting.....
Tale of a young Palestinian's death

The cameraman, Ashraf Mashharawi, was working for Chanel 4. Also watch the Chanel 4 video, the shots appear in a different order, Very good film of the fake compressions, and some very bad acting from our communist doctor. More detailed shot of the scene on the roof.

So much for freelancing.

208 TheAntichrist  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 11:43:20am

I also notice there's no sign of rigor mortis in the child as they're placing the "body" into the grave.

209 Viking6  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 11:43:29am

re: #182 Occasional Reader

Not a medical expert but I have seen enough death to know that someone that dies from multiple fragments generally bleeds a ton if it was in the upper body like the head or neck. Which based upon location of the "sharpnel" holes in the wall would indicate the general height of the blast and the size body shown would indicate to me that the person would have been hit in the upper body, if this was for real. However if the wounds were mid to lower body the blood loss might be minimual. The scene when the body is removed from the gurney shows a small pool of blood but it is in my mind to bright to be from a deep internal wound, perhaps a medical opinion here would be appropriate.

210 tfc3rid  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 11:44:15am

Wow... On CNN, eh...

Well, if Surgeon General Gupta can't tell that this is a fake, what the hell good doctor is he?

211 Guanxi88  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 11:44:29am

re: #207 Sharmuta

So much for freelancing.

Yeah, dyin' ain't much of a living.

212 lawhawk  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 11:44:47am

re: #105 WriterMom

This is the ultimate Hamas be careful what you wish for story.

BWHAHHAHAHAHHAAHA

Wait a moment, wasn't the prior report that 11 of his 12 kids who died in the attack? Only one of them survived? And yes, they love death more than they love their kids.

213 jaunte  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 11:44:58am

re: #201 Killgore Trout

Plastic chair on the roof remains undisturbed by the "blast."

214 lobo91  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 11:45:12am

re: #189 jcm

At 1:22 in the video show the "rocket" impact point on the roof. Making the claim the boys were target by a small rocket fired by a drone.

IAF may be using Predator MQ-1 drones with Hellfires AGM-114 missiles.

The damage on the roof is nowhere near what a Hellfire would cause.

As far as I am aware, the Hellfire is the smallest thing carried by a drone.

The IDF also uses domestically-produced UAVs, some of which are armed. The Predator is nowhere near the only armed UAV out there.

And there are also UAVs that carry smaller weapons than Helfires.

215 alegrias  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 11:45:28am

re: #182 Occasional Reader

Can any MD's, nurse practicioners or paramedics on this thread comment on the apparent lack of blood on the sheets, surgical gloves, coats, etc.?

* * *
Blood of innocent victimes was "transported" into IDF Matzo dough--Hamas' & Farfour the Bali Butterfly said so ! /SARC

216 Creeping Eruption  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 11:45:31am

re: #206 Outrider

LOL.

217 solomonpanting  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 11:45:40am

re: #199 albusteve

how could any moral person think that anything less than the total desruction of Hamas is acceptable...Israel must press on no matter what to finish off this monster

I'd like to see the Hamas reaction when, after expressing a desire for an imminent cease fire, Israel was to reply "We are not here for a cease fire. We are not here to negotiate."

218 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 11:45:46am

re: #209 Viking6

However if the wounds were mid to lower body the blood loss might be minimual.

And yet if that were the case, wouldn't it be unlikely that the wounds would be fatal?

(Although I guess shock could do it.)

219 g.w.  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 11:45:52am

Charles:

Did you email this to FoxNews? They currently have a piece on Dr. Gilbert on the front page which does not mention this fake.

--
GW

220 apocolypse yesterday  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 11:45:59am

Perhaps CNN could have their medical correspondent, Dr. Sanjay Gupta, the potential new Surgeon General, review the tape and provide his expert medical opinion.

221 jcm  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 11:46:02am

re: #182 Occasional Reader

Can any MD's, nurse practicioners or paramedics on this thread comment on the apparent lack of blood on the sheets, surgical gloves, coats, etc.?

When they are wrapping the "body" on the cart they roll the kid and you can see a small "bloody" spot.

Blood or lack thereof is not conclusive. In a case where there is a lot of blood loss the smaller vessels will constrict to try to maintain blood pressure. This would decrease the amount of visible blood. The video does not support the idea the child was suffering blood loss. The first thing they would do for that is start one or two large bore IV's and dump a lot of Ringers Lactate to maintain the volume in the circulatory system. Once the patient is typed and cross matched they would start replacing the blood.

A blunt force trauma they would also start and IV. Meds are then administered via the IV instead of continually sticking the patient.

I see no IVs in the video.

222 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 11:46:03am

re: #201 Killgore Trout

This is interesting.....
Tale of a young Palestinian's death

The cameraman, Ashraf Mashharawi, was working for Chanel 4. Also watch the Chanel 4 video, the shots appear in a different order, Very good film of the fake compressions, and some very bad acting from our communist doctor. More detailed shot of the scene on the roof.

The reverse-angle shot on the roof seems to show a hole between the three dark marks. Still, there's no sign of an explosion. Whatever caused the hole did NOT explode.

223 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 11:46:35am

re: #213 jaunte

Plastic chair on the roof remains undisturbed by the "blast."

Billy Mays product?

224 rain of lead  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 11:47:04am

drive by post
just to ease the blood pressure and because there's not enough
war pron
nsfw audio

225 albusteve  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 11:47:04am

re: #217 solomonpanting

I'd like to see the Hamas reaction when, after expressing a desire for an imminent cease fire, Israel was to reply "We are not here for a cease fire. We are not here to negotiate."

and that's exactly what they should tell Oboy if the need arises...my worst fear is that Israel will fold

226 sattv4u2  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 11:47:19am

I have it figured out. I finally know where Ed Wood ended up. Remember all his "Horror Films" where you could see the string holding up the "UFO"? The disjointed editing. And of course the LGF favorite
PLAN 9 FROM OUTER SPACE

Well,, Ed Wood is alive and active as Hamas's Chief Film Maker !

227 jcm  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 11:47:27am

re: #214 lobo91

The IDF also uses domestically-produced UAVs, some of which are armed. The Predator is nowhere near the only armed UAV out there.

And there are also UAVs that carry smaller weapons than Helfires.

Given the damage on the roof, it would have have a very small warhead. Not exactly something that would be consistently effective.

228 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 11:47:49am

re: #221 jcm

Merci gracias danke.

229 jaunte  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 11:47:50am

re: #223 Occasional Reader

Caution: Mighty Mendit will attach temporary chair permanently to roof.

230 formercorpsman  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 11:47:58am

Last Mohican, superb.

Now, could someone ask Gupta what his take on this is?

231 SteveC  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 11:48:05am

re: #182 Occasional Reader

Can any MD's, nurse practicioners or paramedics on this thread comment on the apparent lack of blood on the sheets, surgical gloves, coats, etc.?

I'm not any of the above... but I am a Congenital Heart Care advocate and have sat in waiting rooms with parents many times while their children have surgery. And I've noticed a couple of things:

1) Children don't lay quietly when they are in pain, they scream their ass off.

2) Parents can go completely nutso when their children are hurting, but I've never seen anyone "pose for the camera".

232 faraway  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 11:48:16am

At the 0:50 mark, there is blood on the table, but none on the sheet

233 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 11:48:58am

re: #208 TheAntichrist

I also notice there's no sign of rigor mortis in the child as they're placing the "body" into the grave.

Good catch. Being carried into the cemetery, the boy's head moved, and moved very obviously, just before the woman leaned over.

234 Dainn  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 11:49:06am

I have been a CPR instructor and this looks alot like someone demonstrating CPR on a live volenteer. The doctor is absolutely correct that the compressions are no where deep enough to do anything. Real chest compressions look deep, the chest would be compressed maybe 50% or so, and even on a child you can't do that with your fingertips the way he was positioned. In fact, he's not even faking it that well.

BTW, I think the modern teaching for non-professional CPR includes compressions without respirations. This is a recent change, applies only to basic CPR, and in now way would ever be done on a code in a hospital setting. If it were real I would have told that bored-looking doctor to stop loitering and grab an Ambu bag or something.

The media laps this stuff up so easily that those trying to fake it aren't even trying hard anymore. Why put in the effort when the video plays in primetime and the retraction happens?

235 formercorpsman  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 11:49:30am

re: #182 Occasional Reader

I can't watch all of the video.

Question. Does he have an IV?

236 Tardis  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 11:49:38am

AP=Arab Press ?
re: #171 So?

CNN=HNN
Hamas News Network

237 redstateredneck  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 11:50:03am

re: #213 jaunte

Plastic chair on the roof remains undisturbed by the "blast."

Surprised they didn't have the obligatory stuffed animal since it was a child.

238 Killgore Trout  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 11:50:34am

re: #207 Sharmuta

Also notice CNN re-edited the tape to make it more believable. In the Ch4 piece they wrap the kid in a shroud at cradle him on the couch at home before they take him to the hospital. He's obviously already dead which makes the hospital scene pretty obviously faked. The CNN piece moved the couch scene at home to after the hospital. CNN also cut out most of the obviously faked compressions.

239 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 11:50:34am

re: #235 formercorpsman

I can't watch all of the video.

Question. Does he have an IV?

Nope, no IVs appear anywhere in the video.

240 alegrias  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 11:50:38am

You all remember the term AgitProp?

This is agitation propaganda, fake "evidence" appearing real.

Charles and Lizards debunk "fake but accurate" agitation propaganda whether amateurish or Hollywoodish.

Thank you, Eagle Eyes, for keeping your wits about you while others spout fake hysteria.

241 Sharmuta  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 11:50:55am

re: #219 g.w.

Charles:

Did you email this to FoxNews? They currently have a piece on Dr. Gilbert on the front page which does not mention this fake.

--
GW

They're usually at least a day behind scooping LGF.

242 Dainn  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 11:51:13am

Why put in the effort when the video plays in primetime and the retraction never happens?

243 Guanxi88  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 11:51:14am

Look, folks, as fun as deconstructing Pallywood videos and photos is, it's ultimately a waste of time.

Want a comparison? It's like going frame-by-frame through JFK when you're trying to discredit one of those Oswald-was-a-patsy nuts.

244 jwb7605  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 11:51:40am

re: #160 redstateredneck

Reminds me. Years ago I was working for a company taking inventory and the person I was working with kept telling me to put FUBAR on different things. I thought it was a technical term until somebody told me.

I put a factory password of "foo:bar" into a product, which gave access to serious internal functions, and was not meant for public consumption.

An idiot marketing type gave that to the customer, the customer "retuned" his product, and then got seriously mad and claimed the product was indeed, FUBAR.

I changed the code and with it, the password to "#ifndef".
Later, a customer called me up and said I couldn't do that, because it was a C preprocessor statement, and wouldn't work.

Same marketing guy gave out the password ...

245 Sharmuta  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 11:51:46am

re: #238 Killgore Trout

Also notice CNN re-edited the tape to make it more believable. In the Ch4 piece they wrap the kid in a shroud at cradle him on the couch at home before they take him to the hospital. He's obviously already dead which makes the hospital scene pretty obviously faked. The CNN piece moved the couch scene at home to after the hospital. CNN also cut out most of the obviously faked compressions.

Disgusting.

246 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 11:51:54am

re: #227 jcm

Given the damage on the roof, it would have have a very small warhead. Not exactly something that would be consistently effective.

Even a 60mm mortar shell would do one helluva lot more damage than that. (Not to mention, exploding when landing, which there's no sign of.)

247 SteveC  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 11:52:04am

re: #217 solomonpanting

I'd like to see the Hamas reaction when, after expressing a desire for an imminent cease fire, Israel was to reply "We are not here for a cease fire. We are not here to negotiate."

Take the Bruce Willis approach, from the movie The Fifth Element:

"We're sending out someone to negotiate!"

(Little guy walks out, Willis shoots him in the knee.)

"Anyone else want to negotiate?"

248 formercorpsman  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 11:52:55am

re: #221 jcm

Yes, volume replacement.

249 jcm  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 11:53:08am

re: #244 jwb7605

I put a factory password of "foo:bar" into a product, which gave access to serious internal functions, and was not meant for public consumption.

An idiot marketing type gave that to the customer, the customer "retuned" his product, and then got seriously mad and claimed the product was indeed, FUBAR.

I changed the code and with it, the password to "#ifndef".
Later, a customer called me up and said I couldn't do that, because it was a C preprocessor statement, and wouldn't work.

Same marketing guy gave out the password ...

ROFL!
You must have guys who went to the same marketing school ours went to.

250 formercorpsman  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 11:53:11am

re: #239 Occasional Reader

Slam dunk.

251 Viking6  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 11:53:13am

re: #218 Occasional Reader

A small projectile, like a .22, can cause fatal damage while only leaving a very small entrance wound, no exit wound and little exterior bleeding. The upper body wounds tend to bleed due to the proximity of the blood vessels to the skin surface and the large number of vessels and arteries that occupy the upper body space. I am sure a doctor could do a better job of explanation but I hope this helps.

252 rawmuse  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 11:53:17am

re: #234 Dainn

I

The media laps this stuff up so easily that those trying to fake it aren't even trying hard anymore. Why put in the effort when the video plays in primetime and the retraction happens?

Because they don't even care anymore and they make no pretense of it?

253 yma o hyd  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 11:53:45am

re: #201 Killgore Trout

This is interesting.....
Tale of a young Palestinian's death

The cameraman, Ashraf Mashharawi, was working for Chanel 4. Also watch the Chanel 4 video, the shots appear in a different order, Very good film of the fake compressions, and some very bad acting from our communist doctor. More detailed shot of the scene on the roof.

Dreadfully biased comment from the Channel4 talking head - makes me ashamed, but what can you expect from a TV outfit which allows Mr a from Iran to 'have his say'.

Btw - note how the cameraman sort of mumbles without conviction that the Israeli drone had 'targetted' the children. He doesn't sound as if he actually believes this himself.

I mean - why would a drone target playing children on a rooftop? Doesn't make military sense, waste of resources, no?

254 formercorpsman  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 11:54:01am

Has Malkin picked this up?

255 J.S.  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 11:54:04am

Someone at CNN should start "Paging Sanjay Gupta!" (Wonder if a potential, future Surgeon General of the United States supports the making of pro-terrorist HAMAS propaganda films from hospital rooms? Another way to "edify" the American public?)

256 Killgore Trout  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 11:54:20am

re: #222 pre-Boomer Marine brat

There are some small impact craters and signs of spalling from shrapnel. It might have been some sort of anti-personnel munition. I suspect the boy was hit and killed, possibly on the roof by Israelis or a Palestinian misfire but the hospital scenes are definitely fake.

257 bellamags  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 11:54:27am

I don't know if anyone else has mentioned this, but the pile of cinder blocks at 1:40 in the vid seem placed. If a blast caused the pock marks in the blocks, wouldn't it have fallen over? The blocks seem to be balancing on each other and IMO that would be a difficult result of a blast.

258 SteveC  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 11:54:45am

re: #234 Dainn

I have been a CPR instructor and this looks alot like someone demonstrating CPR on a live volenteer. The doctor is absolutely correct that the compressions are no where deep enough to do anything.

Can't "real" CPR, done correctly, break ribs?

259 formercorpsman  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 11:54:51am

OK, this has picked my mood up incredibly.

This won't be ignored.

260 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 11:55:38am

re: #250 formercorpsman

Slam dunk.

Pali apologist response: "They don't have any IVs, because the evil Jews, oops I mean Israelis, have blockaded them." Wait for it.

261 Honorary Yooper  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 11:55:52am

re: #258 SteveC

Can't "real" CPR, done correctly, break ribs?

Yes. That's one of the side-effects of performing CPR.

262 Sharmuta  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 11:56:04am

re: #256 Killgore Trout

There are some small impact craters and signs of spalling from shrapnel. It might have been some sort of anti-personnel munition. I suspect the boy was hit and killed, possibly on the roof by Israelis or a Palestinian misfire but the hospital scenes are definitely fake.

It takes a pretty warped mindset to exploit one's dead sibling for propaganda purposes.

263 sattv4u2  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 11:56:09am

re: #253 yma o hyd

I mean - why would a drone target playing children on a rooftop? Doesn't make military sense, waste of resources, no?

Because you KNOW the Zionists ONLY target Palastinian children ! They've been doing that ever since Israel occpied Palastine !

//

264 Lizard by the Bay  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 11:56:19am

re: #247 SteveC

Take the Bruce Willis approach, from the movie The Fifth Element:

"We're sending out someone to negotiate!"

(Little guy walks out, Willis shoots him in the knee.)

"Anyone else want to negotiate?"


The knee? Not in the version I saw.

265 Creeping Eruption  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 11:56:21am

re: #258 SteveC

Can't "real" CPR, done correctly, break ribs?

I think it does, more often than not actually.

266 Killgore Trout  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 11:56:39am

re: #253 yma o hyd

I mean - why would a drone target playing children on a rooftop? Doesn't make military sense, waste of resources, no?

It might have been a mistake. The kids might have been playing "Hamas vs. Jews" with a pipe that looked like a mortar. There might have even been a real mortar on the roof. There are many possibilities.

267 Creeping Eruption  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 11:57:02am

re: #262 Sharmuta

It takes a pretty warped mindset to exploit one's dead sibling for propaganda purposes.

Who says its a sibling? I know what they say, but . . .

268 Viking6  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 11:57:34am

re: #257 bellamags
see my 150

269 Creeping Eruption  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 11:57:35am

re: #264 Lizard by the Bay

The knee? Not in the version I saw.

Me either. I thought it was between the eyes. Love that movie.

270 abolitionist  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 11:57:39am

This video is no longer available - the CNN one.

271 jcm  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 11:57:42am

re: #246 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Even a 60mm mortar shell would do one helluva lot more damage than that. (Not to mention, exploding when landing, which there's no sign of.)

Okay a VT (Variable Timed) fused warhead would leave little actual blast damage, just spray the area with shrapnel. The roof time is not huge, a pretty small target, as are two boys.

However that adds complexity and size to a missile, increasing cost. Now a "sniper" missile with a really small warhead would be nice, but if you are going to fire off something that cost tens of thousands you want to make sure it works on the receiving end. A tiny warhead dramatically decreases the odds of that happening.

It doesn't add up.

272 Guanxi88  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 11:57:43am

re: #267 Creeping Eruption

Who says its a sibling? I know what they say, but . . .

Don't you know, the oppressed and the victimized are all brothers in their struggle against imperialism?

273 SteveC  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 11:58:05am

re: #264 Lizard by the Bay

The knee? Not in the version I saw.

Memory version 1.0 is occasionally faulty!

274 alegrias  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 11:58:17am

"General Hospital" was a soap opera with similar poor acting by Luke & Laura the blond infidels.

Maybe Hamas is auditioning for a series "Gaza Hospital" with not-ready-for-prime-time marxist out-of-work doctors.

Only on CNN International.

275 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 11:58:28am

re: #249 jcm

ROFL!
You must have guys who went to the same marketing school ours went to.

Have you seen MIL-TFP-41?
Make It Like The F*cking Print For Once

In the 70's, in a design group, a friend doing the mechanical prints put it in the "make-to" specs list. Several years later, those prints were re-done (to clean up all the changes which had been made.) The draftsman dutifully put MIL-TFP-41 into the spec list.

276 mini_burkha_fan  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 11:59:04am

Huh?

At 1:01 they lift up the white sheet to show red (fresh) blood beneath. Yet the sheet is blood free!

Great magic! How'd they do that? Must ask David Copperfield about that one!

Was the a quick cut at that point?

277 Sharmuta  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 11:59:19am

re: #270 abolitionist

This video is no longer available - the CNN one.

I still have it- try refreshing the page.

278 Lizard by the Bay  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 11:59:33am

Speaking of Fifth Element, I thought nothing could be better than the Superbit DVD. I thought it was pure eye/ear candy.

But now I have the blu-ray.... *drool*

279 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 11:59:38am

re: #256 Killgore Trout

There are some small impact craters and signs of spalling from shrapnel.

Pedant Korner: I'm not completely sure, but I don't think you're using "spalling" correctly. In a ballistics sense, spalling refers to material breaking up from a tranmitted shock wave, e.g. the metal on the inside of an armored vehicle that's splintered away from the shock of an antitank round.

280 faraway  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 11:59:54am

re: #277 Sharmuta

I still have it- try refreshing the page.

gone

281 formercorpsman  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 12:00:13pm

re: #260 Occasional Reader

I wish I had a closer view of the screen.

No pulse oximeter either that I can see.

282 redstateredneck  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 12:00:22pm

re: #258 SteveC

Can't "real" CPR, done correctly, break ribs?


Yes. When I was taught CPR I was told to not worry about hurting them 'cause they're already dead. If you bring 'em back, the ribs will heal.

283 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 12:00:34pm

re: #253 yma o hyd

I mean - why would a drone target playing children on a rooftop?

Because they're evil Joos who are committing genocide!

Duh!
/

284 faraway  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 12:01:00pm

I hope someone captured it.

285 Sharmuta  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 12:01:24pm

re: #284 faraway

I hope someone captured it.

It's on youtube!

286 Throbert McGee  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 12:01:31pm

re: #26 yma o hyd

Another thing I found suspicious are the scenes where the 'dead' boy is carried back into his house. The boy does not look dead to me, his head is not flopping but looks well supported by his own neck muscles

My first thought was that his skin didn't look very pale/ashen for a dead person, but then again the video said that he'd only been dead for a few hours. And we didn't see him "definitely alive" for comparison.

287 snowcrash  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 12:02:03pm

The CNN video footage is gone.

288 formercorpsman  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 12:02:12pm

re: #280 faraway

Yes, gone.

289 jcm  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 12:02:47pm

re: #283 Occasional Reader

Because they're evil Joos who are committing genocide!

Duh!
/

If those kids where killed.
If it was by an IAF Missile.

I'd bet the kids where watching a Hamas mortar crew on the roof.

290 Guanxi88  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 12:02:59pm

re: #280 faraway

gone

re: #288 formercorpsman

Yes, gone.

re: #287 snowcrash

The CNN video footage is gone.

Down the memory hole, but not before it did its damage.

Thanks, Ted. Thanks a lot!

291 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 12:03:01pm

re: #287 snowcrash

The CNN video footage is gone.

Dare we hope that maybe someone with a conscience at CNN has reconsidered in light of the blogstorm of criticism?

292 formercorpsman  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 12:03:38pm

Oh boy, this is going to get big.

293 Guanxi88  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 12:03:42pm

re: #291 Occasional Reader

Dare we hope that maybe someone with a conscience at CNN has reconsidered in light of the blogstorm of criticism?

No, old principle of fire and mobility. Shoot and scoot, so the enemy (that would be us) don't have a target.

294 wahabicorridor  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 12:03:49pm

re: #286 Throbert McGee

My first thought was that his skin didn't look very pale/ashen for a dead person, but then again the video said that he'd only been dead for a few hours

I was with my mother when she died. She went pale - and cold within minutes.

295 yma o hyd  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 12:03:57pm

re: #266 Killgore Trout

It might have been a mistake. The kids might have been playing "Hamas vs. Jews" with a pipe that looked like a mortar. There might have even been a real mortar on the roof. There are many possibilities.

Now we're getting there!

I mean - since the hospital scene is obviously fakes, why would they not fake the rooftop 'scene of "crime"'?

We know from the IDF videos that Hamas has indeed mortars palced on civilian rooftops - why should we believe that these lads - of 12 and 14 years of age! - were only playing, and not helping Hamas in some military tasks?

296 ~BfromTX  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 12:04:11pm

re: #264 Lizard by the Bay


Yes, one of my favorites...u need to watch that seen again...shoots him in the Knee, not so much. :-) ~B

297 bosforus  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 12:04:12pm

re: #284 faraway

I hope someone captured it.

FYI - any video on YouTube can be downloaded by going to [Link: www.kissyoutube.com...]

298 TheMatrix31  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 12:04:24pm

LMAO. Look at this thing my friend sent me on Facebook....I don't even know what to say;

If Americans Knew

What should I say to him?

299 DaChew  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 12:05:05pm

Minor point: This isn't Fauxtography. This is video Fauxtage.

300 Killgore Trout  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 12:05:13pm

re: #270 abolitionist

"This video has expired"
/lol

301 formercorpsman  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 12:05:40pm

re: #291 Occasional Reader

I don't think that at all. I think they are deathly afraid of this place.

What happened in 2004 was huge. It was only a different network.

They took it down in less than 2 hours after this thread. They know they are nailed.

302 bosforus  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 12:05:50pm

Or more easily done, type "kiss" before the word "youtube" in the URL of the vid you may want to download.

303 Creeping Eruption  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 12:05:50pm

re: #285 Sharmuta

It's on youtube!

For how long I wonder

304 ploome hineni[deleted]  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 12:05:59pm
305 jcm  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 12:06:00pm

re: #280 faraway

gone

This video has expired.........

Hahahahahah!

306 Guanxi88  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 12:06:13pm

re: #298 TheMatrix31

LMAO. Look at this thing my friend sent me on Facebook....I don't even know what to say;

If Americans Knew

What should I say to him?

FOAD?

307 solomonpanting  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 12:06:24pm

re: #10 Sharmuta

I'm really disgusted. F*ck the msm.

In so many words, that's what Palin said in her latest interview.

308 snowcrash  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 12:06:26pm

re: #291 Occasional Reader
Somewhere at CNN a medical correspondent is cringing. Like simple fact checking ....they just don't want to do it if it will interfere with the narrative.

309 ploome hineni[deleted]  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 12:06:45pm
310 Throbert McGee  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 12:06:48pm
The house appears to be demolished, not damaged. A drone fired missile is unlikely to leave nothing but the floor.

The shot we see is identified by the voiceover as being the house's roof -- that's why it's "nothing but floor."

311 faraway  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 12:07:03pm

CNN needs to expire next

312 alegrias  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 12:07:10pm

Remember when Israel sent medical teams to treat Tsunami victims in 2005? Yes they did.

Only one party to this conflict "cares" about children--and that is the country of infant vaccination, antibiotics, Nobel prize winning scientists, respect for education and individuals.

The other party is terrorist organization which uses children as human shields, props, and recyclables.

313 TheMatrix31  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 12:07:11pm

re: #306 Guanxi88

FOAD?

Eff off and die?

314 jcm  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 12:07:43pm

re: #304 ploome hineni

was the damage left on the roof made by a rifle? was this a sniper fire?

how far from any Israeli position that could have hit someone ON A ROOF

were the Israelis HIGHER than the roof?

why is this 'kid' on the roof when there are bulets and rockets flying around?

have we seen the bullet?

where is the wound on the deceased?

the trajectory

why are we assuming the ISraelis were close enough to this individual to have shot him

considering the totally insignificant damage to the roof..what type of bullet or rifle was used?

Basing my comments on the claim in the video it was a drone fired missile. The visible evidence on the roof is not consistent with that claim.

315 looking closely  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 12:07:45pm

A few points:

Breaking ribs is neither necessary nor sufficient for proper CPR. That often happens when you do it on old folks that have brittle bones. It *CAN* happen in others, but certainly doesn't have to.

The "CPR" being done here is so fake, its not even worth discussing further. I've seen better simulations on TV drama. Most likely the person doing it is a Hamas propagandist. Even an orderly would probably put on a better show than that.

c. In addition to what has already been mentioned, people doing SERIOUS CPR in a hospital setting (at least those who know what they are doing) may put up a doppler on one of the patient's large vessels to check the effectiveness of the compressions. This is instant audio feedback, and it greatly increases the effectiveness of the compressions such that the person doing doesn't HAVE to squeeze hard enough to crack ribs.

d. On small entrance and large exit wounds, there isn't a strong correlation between the size of a wound and its lethality. While would that create a lot of blood are often extremely serious (for obvious reasons) the converse isn't necessary true. What matters most is WHERE the wound is located, not how big it is.

I've seen a case of a motorcycle fatality where externally the decedent appeared uninjured. One cut on the table, and his insides were awash in blood. . .the poor sap had a ruptured aorta.

I've seen more than one case of gunshot wound to the head where it wasn't even immediately apparent where the injury was (covered by hair).

And so on. Gunshot wounds may or may NOT bleed a lot. That depends on where the wound is located, but even the ones that don't can be lethal.

316 redstateredneck  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 12:07:50pm

re: #298 TheMatrix31

LMAO. Look at this thing my friend sent me on Facebook....I don't even know what to say;

If Americans Knew

What should I say to him?

Friends don't let friends stick their heads up their asses.

317 ploome hineni[deleted]  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 12:08:00pm
318 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 12:08:03pm

re: #256 Killgore Trout

There are some small impact craters and signs of spalling from shrapnel. It might have been some sort of anti-personnel munition. I suspect the boy was hit and killed, possibly on the roof by Israelis or a Palestinian misfire but the hospital scenes are definitely fake.

Good points.

(1) what if that IS a very small crater in the cement/concrete roof?
(2) what if a missile struck nearby?
(3) what if high-arcing debris from that strike landed on the roof?
This could account for that small crater.

What if the Israelis were aiming at that German doctor and missed?
This could ... heh ... account for the existence of this video.

-------
As for the boy having actually been killed, see the comments up-thread about lack of rigor mortis in the cemetery scenes. The boy's head/neck moves at one point as he's being carried in.

They must have nearly flown to the cemetery to bury him (if he was dead at all.)

319 jwb7605  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 12:08:17pm

OT
but probably the reason Obama is considering cuts in the Space Program.

320 Dainn  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 12:08:34pm

re: #252 rawmuse

Because they don't even care anymore and they make no pretense of it?

Because the media wants the narrative, not the truth. Narrative = "Israeli actions cause suffering from innocents" and a dying kid makes great cover. It's too good to check.

They care. They care for the eyeballs they get when people tune in to see dramatic footage. They care that the footage backs up their background bias for the "Palestinian plight." Yeah, they care, deeply!

321 Sharmuta  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 12:09:10pm

re: #300 Killgore Trout

"This video has expired"
/lol

LGF gets results.

322 Guanxi88  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 12:09:15pm

re: #313 TheMatrix31

Eff off and die?

Yeah, unless it was sent by your friend as a joke or as fuel for the fire. Otherwise, the site and its authors (and anyone endorsing its content in any form) deserve a hearty and heart-felt FOAD. (or MOAB)

323 faraway  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 12:09:22pm

re: #307 solomonpanting

In so many words, that's what Palin said in her latest interview.

"CNN, you’re not the center of everybody’s universe"

324 WriterMom  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 12:09:23pm

Dr. Sanjay Gupta! Paging Dr. Gupta. CHECK YER EFFING MEDICAL FOOTAGE. STAT!

325 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 12:09:31pm

re: #279 Occasional Reader

Pedant Korner: I'm not completely sure, but I don't think you're using "spalling" correctly. In a ballistics sense, spalling refers to material breaking up from a tranmitted shock wave, e.g. the metal on the inside of an armored vehicle that's splintered away from the shock of an antitank round.

You get an up-ding.
Marx my words, we will call you Captain Spauling after this.

326 Dustyvet  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 12:10:00pm

re: #319 jwb7605

OT
but probably the reason Obama is considering cuts in the Space Program.

and..................drum roll please.......................

Obama team urges delay in digital TV transition

327 madisonsfriend  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 12:10:30pm

re: #298 TheMatrix31


Tell him to look at some real history and tell him to see who supports this website. Finally, remind him that anyone- ANYONE- can put up a website.

328 yma o hyd  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 12:10:37pm

re: #286 Throbert McGee

My first thought was that his skin didn't look very pale/ashen for a dead person, but then again the video said that he'd only been dead for a few hours. And we didn't see him "definitely alive" for comparison.

True - but here's another interesting point:
In the Ch4 video, the scene with the family cradling the boy was placed before the hospital scene. The boy did look alive, to my non-medical eyes then - and one obviously wouldn't take a dead person to hospital, not even Hamas is that dumb.
In the CNN video, that same scene was placed after the hospital scene, the boy having been pronounced dead.
So - either he was dead all the time, which is quite possible, thanks to Paliwood, or he was never dead at all - the body taken to that funeral seemed a bit slighter to mee than the boy being cradled.

Whichever it is - it spells F-A-K-E!

329 Creeping Eruption  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 12:10:38pm

re: #319 jwb7605

OT
but probably the reason Obama is considering cuts in the Space Program.

OMG!

330 looking closely  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 12:10:49pm

re: #300 Killgore Trout

"This video has expired"
/lol

Sort of like the "patient".

331 Killgore Trout  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 12:11:01pm

CNN has left up the print version.....
Toll of conflict strikes home as cameraman finds brother dead

...but they removed the faked video.

332 Silhouette  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 12:11:10pm

re: #319 jwb7605

OT
but probably the reason Obama is considering cuts in the Space Program.

That won't help his bid to be the "next JFK."

333 faraway  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 12:11:11pm

CNN needs Joe the Plumber to help them with their editing.

334 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 12:12:03pm

re: #325 pre-Boomer Marine brat

You get an up-ding.
Marx my words, we will call you Captain Spauling after this.

"One morning I spalled an elephant in my pajamas..."

335 ploome hineni[deleted]  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 12:12:03pm
336 SteveC  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 12:12:15pm

re: #318 pre-Boomer Marine brat

They must have nearly flown to the cemetery to bury him (if he was dead at all.)

Good grief, have you seen how the palis manhandle the "sick and injured"?

"Cemetery? But he's not dead yet!"

"Don't worry, he will be by the time we get there!"

337 IslandLibertarian  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 12:12:23pm

I just reviewed what the CNN talking-head had to say..............
and I conclude, the ONLY bit of TRUTH is that the video is disturbing.
Poorly acted, technically flawed, biased, but most of all, disturbing.

Power to the Correct People!
(They are DISTURBED by propaganda lies.)

338 redstateredneck  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 12:12:23pm

re: #298 TheMatrix31

What should I say to him?


Seriously, you need to explain to your friend that Hamas hides behind women and children so that there will be high casualties. I'm sure some of the lizards here will provide you with a wealth of websites proving this fact.

339 ~BfromTX  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 12:12:27pm

re: #304 ploome hineni

They are claiming it was a missile from a IDF drown. Looks like an m80 and frog guts everywhere to me. Not that I have any experience with m80's and frogs...just sayin. // ~B

340 madisonsfriend  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 12:12:42pm

re: #333 faraway

CNN needs Joe the Plumber to help them with their editing.

I think I was happier when I didn't have cable- why are there so many "news" shows?(much less all the reality shows, shopping channels and assorted crap)

341 solomonpanting  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 12:13:05pm

re: #299 DaChew

Minor point: This isn't Fauxtography. This is video Fauxtage.

A part of the larger field of Fauxtojournalism.

342 MikeyHunt  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 12:13:11pm

re: #306 Guanxi88

Well for starters Check this Bullsh*t stat they post.

Demolitions of Israeli and Palestinian Homes
1967 - Present

0 Israeli homes have been demolished by Palestinians and 18,147 Palestinian homes have been demolished by Israel since 1967.

ummm. What about all those Israeli homes and businesses blown up and shattered from rocket and missiles? Or the properties that have been damaged from homicide bombings?

Guess they don't count.

3 kinds of lies: Lies , Big Lies & Statistics.

343 quickjustice  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 12:13:33pm

Marcus Welby, M.D. it's not! (Just showing my age there, folks!) Seriously, Hamas does a better job with information warfare than Israel or the U.S. I'd say it's time to start yanking the credentials of useful idiots who happen to work for the media. If there's not even a pretense of hard-nosed reporting, why enable the fantasy?

344 MandyManners  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 12:13:47pm

re: #334 Occasional Reader

"One morning I spalled an elephant in my pajamas..."

What was an elephant doing in your pajamas?

345 Killgore Trout  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 12:13:51pm

re: #321 Sharmuta

I'm still really appalled at the CNN re-editing. the voice over for the moved couch scene says, 'After the heroic efforts of the doctors they take him home."

CNN has been busted and Chanel 4 is in deep shit.

346 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 12:14:29pm

re: #344 MandyManners

What was an elephant doing in your pajamas?

"How he got into my pajamas, I'll never know."

347 lawhawk  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 12:14:44pm

re: #261 Honorary Yooper

Yes. That's one of the side-effects of performing CPR.

Of course, performing CPR requires chest compressions. The guy on the right was massaging the victims abdomen. It certainly doesn't look like he was anywhere near the victim's sternum.

348 dentate  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 12:14:44pm

OK, as a neurosurgeon (like Sanjay Gupta!) who has seen plenty of trauma, that was NOT a real resuscitation. It was not even a good fake. The doctors involved in a code, especially for a young child, are anxious and tense, and would be huddled at the bedside and looking at the child and at the monitors, not pacing around and chatting as Gilbert is doing while the bearded guy taps on the chest. Also, this is a death due to rocket trauma. Aside from a tiny round spot that looks like it came from an IV, there is no blood there, not on the sheets, not on the doctors. It was obviously not head trauma, because you see the purported victim's head later, with not a scratch; it's not exsanguination due to a traumatic amputation, since the arms and legs seem intact too. this would have been chest or abdominal trauma. What's the injury here, folks? Where are the chest tubes? Where is the blood?

And the nurse who commented above is correct, this is not what family looks like at a code. They look as though they were instructed to cry. If your child is dying in front of you, and Dr. Gilbert is pacing around, not bent over your child, you get hysterical. I know of several instances of doctors having their teeth knocked out when they came to tell a family member that a child had died, and that is here in the States.

Finally, it defies belief, even if you take the video at face value, that nobody comments on the idiocy of sending your kids to play on the roof in the middle of a war zone. No one at CNN thinks that this is peculiar?

349 maddogg  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 12:14:50pm

OT:
Obama said he doesn't want our guns. Bullshit!

Ammunition Accountability Act.

/still unconfirmed but right in character.

350 Dustyvet  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 12:15:04pm

re: #334 Occasional Reader

"One morning I spalled an elephant in my pajamas..."

and you shot him in Alabama, where the Tuscaloosa...:)

351 lawhawk  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 12:15:26pm

re: #278 Lizard by the Bay

Speaking of Fifth Element, I thought nothing could be better than the Superbit DVD. I thought it was pure eye/ear candy.

But now I have the blu-ray.... *drool*

Dallas Leloo multipass...!

352 Silhouette  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 12:15:26pm

re: #331 Killgore Trout

CNN has left up the print version.....
Toll of conflict strikes home as cameraman finds brother dead

...but they removed the faked video.

That tells us everything we need to know about CNN.

If they removed the video because they were concerned it might be fake and don't want to present lies, they would remove the story too, pending investigation.

But they only removed the part that revealed the story was fake.

353 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 12:15:32pm

re: #289 jcm

a Hamas mortar crew on the roof.

Wow! The reverse-angle shot in the Ch. 4 video (put up by Killgore) shows a small "crater" gouged in the masonry/concrete roof.

WHAT IF a mortar was being fired up there, BUT the crew hadn't lugged the baseplate up the stairs? A ball at the rear of a mortar tube could EASILY have gouged out that crater.

354 Nevergiveup  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 12:15:37pm

I just got home, but has anyone here mentioned the story that Hamas was trying to sneak in combat uniforms with the humanitarian aid? Oh and they got caught.

355 Alouette  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 12:15:49pm

re: #105 WriterMom

This is the ultimate Hamas be careful what you wish for story.

BWHAHHAHAHAHHAAHA

Wow, that is beyond fucked up.

Speaking of fucked up, who is this putz "Dovy" from your home town who posts to all the Israel talkback forums? Is he one of those Neturei Karta freakballs?

356 ~BfromTX  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 12:16:29pm

drown? what did I write...drone is what i meant to write...sorry.

357 rawmuse  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 12:16:42pm

re: #349 maddogg

That bill has been floating around for at least 10 years, in some form or another.
Sort of like the slave reparations bill.
Who knows, they both could pass soon.

358 Creeping Eruption  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 12:16:44pm

re: #348 dentate

Finally, it defies belief, even if you take the video at face value, that nobody comments on the idiocy of sending your kids to play on the roof in the middle of a war zone. No one at CNN thinks that this is peculiar?

It is such typical behavior for them to place their children in harms way that it no longer warrants comment.

359 lawhawk  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 12:16:51pm

re: #348 dentate

That quote is definitely being added to my coverage.

360 Alouette  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 12:16:52pm

re: #342 MikeyHunt

Well for starters Check this Bullsh*t stat they post.

Demolitions of Israeli and Palestinian Homes
1967 - Present

0 Israeli homes have been demolished by Palestinians and 18,147 Palestinian homes have been demolished by Israel since 1967.

What about the greenhouses that were left for the Palestinians' benefit?

361 formercorpsman  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 12:16:57pm

Folks, there is almost 3000 people here now.

999 of you need to submit this to Drudge.

I did already.

362 Eowyn2  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 12:17:05pm

re: #262 Sharmuta

It takes a pretty warped mindset to exploit one's dead sibling for propaganda purposes.

that's making a big assumption that they are actually siblings and that the story isnt trying to make it more 'personal' by relating the cameraman to the youth.

I would like coin the phrase:
"Jason Bliar moment"
to refer to stories which are falsified to bring more 'human' aspects to a case.

363 looking closely  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 12:17:08pm

re: #328 yma o hyd

one obviously wouldn't take a dead person to hospital, not even Hamas is that dumb.

Well, in truth, dead people are taken to the hospital all the time, for three pretty good reasons:

a. You may not know if they are dead (or just "nearly dead"), and if you have no medical training/background whatever, maybe you shouldn't be making that call and giving the hurt person the benefit of the doubt.

The corrollary here is that in most circumstances, the ONLY one who can "pronounce" someone dead is an MD. So you bring the body to someone who can make it "official" (or vice versa).

c. From time to time, people die en-route to hospitals.

d. It "happens" that it can be expedient for people who die outside of hospitals to be pronounced dead AT a hospital, after a nice show of resuscitation has been attempted. This may happen for litigation-related and other reasons.

364 Silhouette  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 12:17:23pm

re: #354 Nevergiveup

I just got home, but has anyone here mentioned the story that Hamas was trying to sneak in combat uniforms with the humanitarian aid? Oh and they got caught.

I'm confused. They WANT to wear uniforms? I thought they liked to hide behind civilians.

Or were these Israeli uniforms?

365 Creeping Eruption  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 12:17:37pm

re: #354 Nevergiveup

Link?

366 SteveC  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 12:17:46pm

re: #344 MandyManners

What was an elephant doing in your pajamas?

"Oh, I was in my pajamas! The elephant was in a tasteful dressing gown."

367 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 12:17:52pm

re: #334 Occasional Reader

"One morning I spalled an elephant in my pajamas..."

Don't worry, I won't bother asking you how he ....
*grin*

368 Dustyvet  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 12:18:27pm

re: #366 SteveC

"Oh, I was in my pajamas! The elephant was in a tasteful dressing gown."

Was not, the elephant was in a snuggy...

369 Sharmuta  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 12:18:33pm

re: #345 Killgore Trout

I'm still really appalled at the CNN re-editing. the voice over for the moved couch scene says, 'After the heroic efforts of the doctors they take him home."

CNN has been busted and Chanel 4 is in deep shit.

I'm sure someone thought they'd get away with this because the source was foreign. Well- it's a new era with the internet. The msm needs to get it's act together or they will continue to be shamed and rejected every time this happens.

370 Bubblehead II  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 12:18:36pm

re: #285 Sharmuta

For how much longer? They will probably yank it for violation of their Terms of Use policy. IE Copy Righted material

371 redstateredneck  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 12:18:42pm

re: #360 Alouette

What about the greenhouses that were left for the Palestinians' benefit?


The ones they tore the shit out of?

372 Nevergiveup  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 12:18:52pm

re: #364 Silhouette

I'm confused. They WANT to wear uniforms? I thought they liked to hide behind civilians.

Or were these Israeli uniforms?

I never really was sure. I was driving listening to Fox News on Sirius Radio. I will try to find a link. The Uniforms were hidden amongst the flour etc.

373 Alouette  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 12:18:55pm

For those who missed it last night:

IDFZilla, coming soon to CNN, BBC, Daylife and Reuters

374 CommonCents  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 12:19:10pm

re: #60 FrogMarch

Our left-wing media is happy to believe anything that depicts the Palestinians as poor victims - and the IDF as cruel child killers.

Never mind the truth.

Good link from the archives. I have to call foul on this statement

Since June 19, Islamic Jihad has generally respected an Egyptian-brokered truce between Israel and Gaza's Islamist rulers Hamas.

What exactly does "generally respected" mean? Couldn't that also be phrased as "often ignored", or "violated multiple times", or "not adhered to". Many other ways to phrase the statement that doesn't attempt to paint a more friendly perception.

375 redstateredneck  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 12:19:12pm

re: #368 Dustyvet

Was not, the elephant was in a snuggy...

One size fits all.

376 Nevergiveup  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 12:19:23pm

re: #365 Creeping Eruption

Link?

See My # 372. Will try to find a link on FOX.

377 Green Helmet Guy  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 12:19:27pm

re: #107 Blackacre

Move over Green Helmet Guy. The White Lab Coat GuysTM are here.

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

He stole mine and White T-shirt guys spotlight!

Allah damn White Lab Coat Guy!
/

378 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 12:19:39pm

re: #361 formercorpsman

Folks, there is almost 3000 people here now.

999 of you need to submit this to Drudge.

I did already.

[all joining hands, singing in unison]

We are the blog
We are the lizardim
We are the ones who give MSM hell,
so let's start giving

379 Silhouette  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 12:19:44pm

re: #360 Alouette

What about the greenhouses that were left for the Palestinians' benefit?

Israelis demolished their own homes FOR the Palis, when they left Gaza.

How about
Babies shot at point blank range while strapped in their carseats
Israel - 0
Palistinians - 4

380 SteveC  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 12:20:18pm

re: #372 Nevergiveup

I never really was sure. I was driving listening to Fox News on Sirius Radio. I will try to find a link. The Uniforms were hidden amongst the flour etc.

I had the TV on. Some of the uniforms are black, the others are camo.

381 karmic_inquisitor  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 12:20:23pm

OT: Somehow I had missed this from Iowahawk -

"The 2012 Pelosi GTxi SS/RT Sport Edition cuts through the air like an omnibus spending bill."

382 Dainn  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 12:20:29pm

re: #258 SteveC

Can't "real" CPR, done correctly, break ribs?

I think this was answered by someone above with more medical knowledge than I, but yes it can. It's unlikely on a child, however. Broken ribs happen most often in the elderly.

I have only witnessed cpr on a child once while doing a rotation through an ER for EMT training. The compressions were deep, there was a nurse on a bag respirating the child through a ET tube, and no one in the entire ward "looked bored" like that one doctor in this scene. What I saw that day stuck with me.

That video is a cynical fake.

383 MJ  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 12:20:30pm

Obama team sending a message to Hamas:
Keep fighting, boys, we're with ya:

Obama camp 'prepared to talk to Hamas'
Incoming administration will abandon Bush's isolation of Islamist group to initiate low-level diplomacy, say transition sources

[Link: www.guardian.co.uk...]

384 Hard Right  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 12:20:50pm

re: #264 Lizard by the Bay

The knee? Not in the version I saw.

He shot 3 of the bad guys IIRC.

385 Killgore Trout  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 12:21:03pm

The cameraman, Ashraf Mashharawi, also edited this documentary on the effect of global warming on Gaza (I shit you not)........
From the Camp

386 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 12:21:04pm

re: #372 Nevergiveup

I never really was sure. I was driving listening to Fox News on Sirius Radio. I will try to find a link. The Uniforms were hidden amongst the flour etc.

Given media cluelessness on all things military, this could mean a lot of things. Body armor or load-bearing tactical vests... they'd call 'em "uniforms", I bet.

387 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 12:21:09pm

re: #373 Alouette

For those who missed it last night:

IDFZilla, coming soon to CNN, BBC, Daylife and Reuters

ROFLMAO!

My new AVATAR! (All it needs is a mouse flicking a finger)

388 looking closely  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 12:21:18pm

re: #364 Silhouette

I'm confused. They WANT to wear uniforms? I thought they liked to hide behind civilians.

Or were these Israeli uniforms?

The latter.

One of HAMAS's alleged tactics this time around is to wear IDF uniforms, as part of its bid to lure soldiers into ambush/kidnappings.

Needless to say, this is a violation of the Geneva convention, to which HAMAS is not a signatory.

389 jcm  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 12:21:27pm

re: #335 ploome hineni

a missle would have left a large amount of blood and flesh

and some missle debris

nothing there

not even blood

what caiber projectile..are these missles?

(am I asking the right questions?)

On the right lines. Caliber is for things fired down a tube, guns or artillery, and is the diameter of the barrel (tube). Missiles (rockets) it's more generally the warhead in weight of explosive charge as the size, diameter and length vary widely.

Yes, a missile leaves a lot of crap behind, the missile body, the rocket motor, many times parts of the guidance package all survive remarkable intact and recognizable.

Explosive rounds from artillery don't leave as much debris but the shrapnel is identifiable. Spent bullets from rifles are also recoverable.

390 Nevergiveup  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 12:21:28pm

re: #380 SteveC

I had the TV on. Some of the uniforms are black, the others are camo.

OK, at least I wasn't hearing things.

391 redstateredneck  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 12:22:08pm

re: #378 Occasional Reader

[all joining hands, singing in unison]

We are the blog
We are the lizardim
We are the ones who give MSM hell,
so let's start giving

Shit, now I've got Michael Jackson on the brain.

392 Jr Ewing  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 12:22:12pm

Great NEWS!

Fox news High-Profile Doctor in Gaza Called an 'Apologist for Hamas'
Exposed

393 alegrias  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 12:22:18pm

re: #361 formercorpsman

Folks, there is almost 3000 people here now.

999 of you need to submit this to Drudge.

I did already.

* * *
That's the spirit, FormerCorpsman. Also to the "Media Research Center" that tracks fake propaganda.

394 looking closely  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 12:22:25pm

re: #374 CommonCents

What exactly does "generally respected" mean? Couldn't that also be phrased as "often ignored", or "violated multiple times", or "not adhered to". Many other ways to phrase the statement that doesn't attempt to paint a more friendly perception.

"Generally respected" = "mostly not pregnant".

395 Lynn B.  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 12:22:39pm

I just got back from this rally in Philadelphia.

As nearly 2,000 pro-Israel supporters rallied in Center City's Love Park at noon, about 60 protesters waved signs and shouted slogans denouncing Israel's controversial incursion into Gaza.

Police fenced off the perimeter of the park, which sits in the shadow of City Hall. No one carrying an anti-Israel placard was allowed to step foot inside.

The rally began at noon without incident. Speakers addressing the Israel supporters were unfazed by the chanting anti-Israel protesters.

About 20 uniformed Philadelphia police officers set up a buffer zone between the protesters and rally at 15th and J.F.K. Blvd.

Demonstrators held signs that read: "Killing children is not a Jewish Value" and "U.S. and Israel are the Real Terrorists."

Inside the park, rally-goers held signs that read: "Israel wants Peace" and "Let Israel Defend Itself."

I ignored the moonbats. They were totally drowned out and quickly dispersed afterwards.

One of the more impassioned speakers ... Jerry Mondesire, NAACP President in Philadelphia, who expressed staunch and unqualified support for Israel in its battle against Hamas.

396 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 12:22:42pm

re: #385 Killgore Trout

The cameraman, Ashraf Mashharawi, also edited this documentary on the effect of global warming on Gaza (I shit you not)........

"The two fronts are merging! It's a perfect storm of schtoopid!"

397 MandyManners  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 12:22:49pm

re: #383 MJ

Obama team sending a message to Hamas:
Keep fighting, boys, we're with ya:

Obama camp 'prepared to talk to Hamas'
Incoming administration will abandon Bush's isolation of Islamist group to initiate low-level diplomacy, say transition sources

[Link: www.guardian.co.uk...]

Treating serial killers as legitimate actors?

398 maddogg  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 12:22:54pm

re: #357 rawmuse

That bill has been floating around for at least 10 years, in some form or another.
Sort of like the slave reparations bill.
Who knows, they both could pass soon.

Conditions are now favorable. These people never stop. And Obama is one of them. Never saw a gun control law he didn't like.

399 Ben Hur  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 12:22:57pm

Their clothes are remarkably clean for being in the middle of a systematic, industrialized genocide.

400 Silhouette  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 12:23:17pm

re: #372 Nevergiveup

I never really was sure. I was driving listening to Fox News on Sirius Radio. I will try to find a link. The Uniforms were hidden amongst the flour etc.

Oh, the flour. That must be why they need half a ton of flour per person per day.

401 formercorpsman  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 12:23:50pm

re: #378 Occasional Reader

You know, that is what makes this great. In the midst of nailing CNN propaganda, there is still time to pull off the sarcasm, and find a way to intertwine One of the worst songs ever written into a blog post.

Yeah, I laughed. Good one.

402 Creeping Eruption  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 12:23:57pm

From The Muqata:

FUCK!


10:10 PM Reports from foreign sources (via rotter) that IAF jets have picked up radio signature activity of SA-7 anti-aircraft missiles in Gaza. While the missiles have not been used, the discovery of their activity is less than cheerful.


These must have been brought in though those defensive tunnels that Carter was talking about.

403 Dustyvet  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 12:24:09pm

re: #399 Ben Hur

Their clothes are remarkably clean for being in the middle of a systematic, industrialized genocide.

Hamas has Dry Cleaning shops with 1 hour service?

404 SteveC  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 12:24:09pm

re: #400 Silhouette

Oh, the flour. That must be why they need half a ton of flour per person per day.

"That's one hell of a Twinkie!"

/Who ya gonna call?

405 yma o hyd  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 12:24:10pm

re: #353 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Wow! The reverse-angle shot in the Ch. 4 video (put up by Killgore) shows a small "crater" gouged in the masonry/concrete roof.

WHAT IF a mortar was being fired up there, BUT the crew hadn't lugged the baseplate up the stairs? A ball at the rear of a mortar tube could EASILY have gouged out that crater.

I'd go along with that!

406 imtoast  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 12:24:55pm

Thank you Charles for posting the video. I couldn't get it to play on the cnn website.

407 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 12:25:16pm

re: #389 jcm

Spent bullets from rifles are also recoverable.

You mean like these?

/

408 looking closely  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 12:25:27pm

re: #389 jcm

Spent bullets from rifles are also recoverable.


The spent cartridge cases are recoverable. Depending on the cartridge, it may be possible to tell what type of weapon fired it (eg Galil rifle vs. M16-type rifle).

The bullets *may* be recoverable, depending on what exactly they've hit (or not hit).

Rifle rounds can disintegrate into shrapnel when striking a solid or even not-so-solid object.

409 Nevergiveup  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 12:25:36pm

re: #400 Silhouette

Oh, the flour. That must be why they need half a ton of flour per person per day.

That's so they can starve in style.

410 alegrias  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 12:26:13pm

re: #362 Eowyn2

that's making a big assumption that they are actually siblings and that the story isnt trying to make it more 'personal' by relating the cameraman to the youth.

I would like coin the phrase:
"Jason Bliar moment"
to refer to stories which are falsified to bring more 'human' aspects to a case.


* * *
Rotten apple Jayson Blair the serial NYT liar, had as a father a lovely Vietnam Veteran who was the Inspector General of the Smithsonian Institution. Talk about tragedy--for the parents who tried to raise him to be upright & decent.

411 ploome hineni[deleted]  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 12:26:16pm
412 dentate  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 12:26:31pm

re: #315 looking closely

A few points:

Breaking ribs is neither necessary nor sufficient for proper CPR. That often happens when you do it on old folks that have brittle bones. It *CAN* happen in others, but certainly doesn't have to.

The "CPR" being done here is so fake, its not even worth discussing further. I've seen better simulations on TV drama. Most likely the person doing it is a Hamas propagandist. Even an orderly would probably put on a better show than that.

c. In addition to what has already been mentioned, people doing SERIOUS CPR in a hospital setting (at least those who know what they are doing) may put up a doppler on one of the patient's large vessels to check the effectiveness of the compressions. This is instant audio feedback, and it greatly increases the effectiveness of the compressions such that the person doing doesn't HAVE to squeeze hard enough to crack ribs.

d. On small entrance and large exit wounds, there isn't a strong correlation between the size of a wound and its lethality. While would that create a lot of blood are often extremely serious (for obvious reasons) the converse isn't necessary true. What matters most is WHERE the wound is located, not how big it is.

I've seen a case of a motorcycle fatality where externally the decedent appeared uninjured. One cut on the table, and his insides were awash in blood. . .the poor sap had a ruptured aorta.

I've seen more than one case of gunshot wound to the head where it wasn't even immediately apparent where the injury was (covered by hair).

And so on. Gunshot wounds may or may NOT bleed a lot. That depends on where the wound is located, but even the ones that don't can be lethal.

This was not a gunshot wound. It was a rocket hitting a building, and the later scene purports to show the roof, with blood everywhere. Even if that was the other child's blood, some of it should be on this child; I don't buy the "ruptured aorta due to rocket attack" idea--motorcycle and MVA injuries are high speed impacts and the mechanism of the aortic tear would have been a deceleration injury. This is a fake.

413 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 12:26:36pm

re: #383 MJ

Obama team sending a message to Hamas:
Keep fighting, boys, we're with ya:

Obama camp 'prepared to talk to Hamas'
Incoming administration will abandon Bush's isolation of Islamist group to initiate low-level diplomacy, say transition sources

[Link: www.guardian.co.uk...]


YO CHARLES! WE GOT YOUR THREADWORTHY RIGHT HERE!

414 Ojoe  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 12:26:50pm

If you look at "statistics" at the top of this page, you will see that 39,000 people have visited this site today.

How many have sen the video on CNN?

Evil has a big grip right now.

415 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 12:27:00pm

re: #354 Nevergiveup

I just got home, but has anyone here mentioned the story that Hamas was trying to sneak in combat uniforms with the humanitarian aid? Oh and they got caught.

I didn't think Hamas had combat uniforms, unless you include burkhas. That way, they can be civilians if they are injured or killed.

416 Ojoe  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 12:27:37pm

sen = seen

Here's your extra e in case you want to fix the post above.


PIMF

417 jcm  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 12:27:53pm

re: #407 Occasional Reader

You mean like these?

/

LOL! That's why I specified spent.....

418 Dustyvet  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 12:27:58pm

re: #409 Nevergiveup

That's so they can starve in style.

"Biggest Loser" contestant Shanon Thomas is arrested for an alleged assault with flour....

419 Nevergiveup  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 12:28:01pm

re: #415 Kosh's Shadow

I didn't think Hamas had combat uniforms, unless you include burkhas. That way, they can be civilians if they are injured or killed.

What about all them black pajamas they wear? And they do have Israeli Uniforms unfortunately.

420 MJ  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 12:28:22pm

re: #410 alegrias

* * *
Rotten apple Jayson Blair the serial NYT liar, had as a father a lovely Vietnam Veteran who was the Inspector General of the Smithsonian Institution. Talk about tragedy--for the parents who tried to raise him to be upright & decent.

Speaking of the New York Times, they ran 4, count 'em, 4, anti-Israel pieces in today's Op-Ed section:
Nick Kristof, Roger Cohen, Rashid Khalidi and Gideon Lichfield.

421 Throbert McGee  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 12:28:34pm

re: #169 turn

[The Norwegian Marxist doctor's] messing around with the monitor was definitely overly dramatic to me.

To paraphrase that great quote from Oscar Wilde:

"One must have a heart of stone to witness Little Mahmood's doctor futilely gesturing at the flatlined monitor, and not laugh."

P.S. Speaking of tear-jerking doctors, I wonder how you say "Oh my god, IT WASN'T A CHICKEN!" på Norsk?

/Alan Alda in the last episode of M*A*S*H

422 looking closely  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 12:28:40pm

re: #398 maddogg

Conditions are now favorable. These people never stop. And Obama is one of them. Never saw a gun control law he didn't like.


Fortunately, the American public is currently more pro-gun than it has been in recent history, and the Dems know this.

No less a personage than Bill Clinton blamed the NRA for causing Al Gore's loss to Bush.

So though the Dems may have a Congressional majority, many of the new seats are in gun-and-hunting friendly jurisdictions, and I think there will be some reluctance by many to put their seats at jeopardy, perhaps enough on THIS sort of issue, to sustain a Republican filibuster.

423 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 12:29:03pm

re: #402 Creeping Eruption

Not good, but not disastrous news.... IIRC the SA-7 is not terribly effective, compared to more modern MANPADS. It's a Redeye copy, I think.

424 MandyManners  Thu, Jan 8, 2009 12:29:44pm

re: #403 Dustyvet

Hamas has Dry Cleaning shops with