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CNN Says the Video is Genuine

Middle East | Fri, Jan 9, 2009 at 5:04:03 pm PST

CNN insists that the Gaza video is genuine, and they’ve reposted it. This is their only response to the criticism that the “CPR” shown in the video is an obvious pantomime:

Responding to accusations that the resuscitation efforts of Mashharawi’s brother appeared inauthentic, Martin said that, based on his years of reporting from Gaza, doctors often go through such efforts even with little hope that a patient can be saved.

If they really had “little hope” the patient could be saved, they’d be going all out with CPR, which means very vigorous chest compression (it’s not unusual to break ribs if it’s done right), and ventilation to oxygenate the blood—not delicately touching the boy’s abdomen with the tips of their fingers as we see in the video clips.

UPDATE at 1/9/09 5:50:34 pm:

For reference, here are three versions of the report we’re looking at.

First, an edited, shortened version of the full report:

Youtube Video

Second, the version of the report posted by the UK’s Channel 4.

Third, the full report posted at CNN’s website.

FLV Movie

UPDATE at 1/9/09 6:34:14 pm:

CNN now responds to the charge that Mashharawi worked for a company that operates Hamas websites:

Martin said accusations that Mashharawi owns a company that hosts Hamas Web sites were falsely based on Mashharawi having worked at a company that created the PS suffix to allow anyone of any political persuasion to create Palestinian Web sites.

According to Internet Haganah’s database of terror website hosts, in 2004 nepras.net, which lists Mashharawi as general manager, was the operator of the main Hamas website and the website of Hamas’ radio station Voice of Al Aqsa.

UPDATE at 1/9/09 6:51:37 pm:

This is the website of World News & Features, cited by CNN as a reliable source for news from Gaza. Please excuse me while I laugh.

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1 Summer  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 5:04:39pm

Then why take it down?

Nothing to see here, move along, move along....

2 Sharmuta  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 5:04:56pm

They must think they're going to get away with lying.

3 CynicalConservative  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 5:04:58pm

Ummm, yeah.

4 Wyatt Earp  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 5:05:28pm

Liar, liar, Gaza Strip on fire!

5 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 5:05:29pm

Yes, there was an actual camera and it recorded video.

Therefore, it is gen-u-ine!

6 WitchDoctor  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 5:05:42pm

This news brought to you by the Ministry of Truth.

7 aboo-Hoo-Hoo  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 5:06:06pm

Storm.

8 eschew_obfuscation  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 5:06:29pm

Does Dan Rather work for CNN now?

9 jwb7605  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 5:06:40pm
Responding to accusations that the resuscitation efforts of Mashharawi’s brother appeared inauthentic, Martin said that, based on his years of reporting from Gaza, doctors often go through such efforts even with little hope that a patient can be saved.


In that case, why are they turning other patients/wounded away from hospitals? Other reports indicate they have run out of bed space and supplies.

10 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 5:06:58pm

re: #8 eschew_obfuscation

Courage!

11 Summer  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 5:07:20pm

We must all close our eyes very tightly, hold hands, click our heels three times, and say "Yes we can! Yes we can! Yes we can!" and it will be real!

Just wait, you'll see!

12 eschew_obfuscation  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 5:07:32pm

re: #6 WitchDoctor

This news brought to you by the Ministry of Truth.

More like the Ministry of Silly Resuscitations

13 jaunte  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 5:07:44pm

"Sure, kids, it doesn't matter that the IDF is bombing and shelling and shooting Hamas entrenched all around us: you're bored, so go up and play on the roof. Maybe you'll be all right."

That's the story.

14 Sharmuta  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 5:07:51pm

They had to come out with the "genuine" line- to admit otherwise means "guys in their pajamas" can do their job better than they can.

They would rather die than admit this.

15 gmsc  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 5:07:55pm
Responding to accusations that the resuscitation efforts of Mashharawi’s brother appeared inauthentic, Martin said that, based on his years of reporting from Gaza, doctors often go through such efforts even with little hope that a patient can be saved changed.

CNN - FTFY!

16 rightwinger3  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 5:07:57pm

If I'm filming my brother dying you can bet your ass that the doctor is pounding the crap and shocking the hell out of him trying to start the heart again...or else I drop the damn camera and do it myself.

17 LGoPs  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 5:08:10pm

The thing that needs rescusitation here is CNN's reputation......and I'm afraid that's DOA........

18 Wyatt Earp  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 5:09:02pm

re: #2 Sharmuta

They must think they're going to get away with lying.

Who in the MSM will call them on it?

*crickets*

As long as their peers don't shake the tree, in their minds, they will get away with it.

19 Sharmuta  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 5:09:03pm

re: #17 LGoPs

The thing that needs rescusitation here is CNN's reputation......and I'm afraid that's DOA........

Perhaps if we lightly tickled their sternum....

20 formercorpsman  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 5:09:08pm

Alright, I have been trying to get information on this Paul Martin referenced in the article.

I can't come up with anything -- yet.

There is blood in the water.

21 CIA Reject  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 5:09:10pm

Repeat a lie often enough...

22 Occasional Reader  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 5:09:13pm
Martin said that, based on his years of reporting from Gaza, doctors often go through such efforts even with little hope that a patient can be saved.

Er, right... they go through the motions of trying to do a sorta kinda chest compression, but can't be bothered to go through the motions of sorta kinda respirating the victim. That makes perfect sense.

23 pat  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 5:09:23pm

This video is very suspect. And the only reason to post it is 'the story' for which there is absolutely no confirmation it is true. It seemed to me the story was designed to force the withdrawal of drones from the battle field.

24 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 5:09:38pm

re: #17 LGoPs

The thing that needs rescusitation here is CNN's reputation......and I'm afraid that's DOA........

Along with the rest of the dino-media.

25 jaunte  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 5:09:47pm

[Link: edition.cnn.com...]
"Ahmed also was taken to the hospital, but he had been fatally struck in the head and chest by shrapnel and had lost a foot, Hamdouna said."

There are no visible wounds on the back, the right side, or the left side of the boys head, as seen in the videotape.

26 Ayatollah Ghilmeini  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 5:09:53pm

If you will it to true, it is no lie!

27 pat  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 5:09:54pm

Ratherists!

28 Wyatt Earp  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 5:10:03pm

re: #22 Occasional Reader

Er, right... they go through the motions of trying to do a sorta kinda chest compression, but can't be bothered to go through the motions of sorta kinda respirating the victim. That makes perfect sense.

Yeah, because they're not busy or anything.

29 JacksonTn  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 5:10:20pm

re: #21 CIA Reject

Repeat a lie often enough...

That sums up the entire democrat campaign this past two years ...

30 gmsc  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 5:10:40pm

This technique is genuine?

If I ever see Larry King or Anderson Cooper choking, this is exactly how I'll try to revive them.

If it fails, I can always say, "Hey, I figured it was real - I saw it on a Hamas video!"

31 jcbunga  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 5:10:51pm

They aren't doctors, they're MOVIE STARS!

(100 points if you can name the film that inspires)

32 Bobblehead  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 5:10:51pm

They can't let the new media do a "Dan" on them. Not to the mighty CNN.

33 eschew_obfuscation  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 5:10:52pm

re: #23 pat

This video is very suspect. And the only reason to post it is 'the story' for which there is absolutely no confirmation it is true. It seemed to me the story was designed to force the withdrawal of drones from the battle field.

"Fake, but accurate"

/Mary Mapes, CNN producer

34 Sharmuta  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 5:11:05pm

re: #26 Ayatollah Ghilmeini

If you will it to true, it is no lie!

It's the Constanza Method- it's not a lie if you believe it.

35 LGoPs  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 5:11:08pm

re: #24 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

Along with the rest of the dino-media.

Effing A - to put it modestly........

36 Occasional Reader  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 5:11:14pm

re: #5 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

Yes, there was an actual camera and it recorded video.

Therefore, it is gen-u-ine!

It's one of a piece with Jimmy Carter's "election observing" work. There was an election, people cast ballots... looks good to me!

37 gmsc  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 5:11:55pm

re: #34 Sharmuta

It's the Constanza Method- it's not a lie if you believe it.

"Marge, it takes two to lie - one to lie, and one to listen."
-Homer Simpson

38 ArmyWife  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 5:12:03pm

Doesn't the Surgeon General Elect have a gig over at CNN? Perhaps he would like to weigh in on the authenticity of the video.

39 ted  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 5:12:26pm

"Responding to accusations that the resuscitation efforts of Mashharawi’s brother appeared inauthentic, Martin said that, based on his years of reporting from Gaza, doctors often go through such efforts even with little hope that a patient can be saved."

Does Martin think we're f*cking idiots ? The "doctors" in this video did nothing. What "efforts" is this schmuck talking about ?

Anyone brought into the ER with this claimed level of trauma and not sent to the OR immediately is a victim of malpractice.

40 invictus1  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 5:12:32pm

CNN: We tell the truth! Well, really, most of the time we do, well, uh..

41 CIA Reject  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 5:12:40pm
"Martin said that, based on his years of reporting from Gaza, doctors often go through such efforts even with little hope that a patient can be saved."

As opposed to moving on and actually resuscitating another patient who can be saved.

/Sure...

42 Doctor Bulldog  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 5:12:50pm

Yeah... Right... If that was suppose to be CPR, then someone needs to revoke that guys license to practice medicine!

43 slartybartfast  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 5:13:02pm

I wonder what Sanja Gupta has to say?

Oh, yeah: "Hope! Change!"

44 Slumbering Behemoth  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 5:13:03pm

Wow, pulling a "Rather" wasn't even an option on the poll last thread.

Good thing I voted Ron Paul.
/

45 Sifty  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 5:13:07pm

I call bull, horse, and chicken shit.

46 ArmyWife  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 5:13:19pm

re: #39 ted

Does Martin think we're f*cking idiots ?

In short, yes.

47 jwb7605  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 5:13:30pm

re: #38 ArmyWife

Doesn't the Surgeon General Elect have a gig over at CNN? Perhaps he would like to weigh in on the authenticity of the video.

There can be only one Surgeon General at a time.
/Obama

48 albusteve  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 5:13:30pm

the response says utterly nothing...it was not meant for the bloggers but for their viewers

49 Right mind left  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 5:13:41pm

NEXT:
Assign Christiane Amanpour to do an attack piece on blogs

50 Wyatt Earp  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 5:13:43pm

Can we call shenanigans now, or are we still following the 48-hour rule?

51 jaunte  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 5:13:45pm

"Martin said that, based on his years of reporting from Gaza, doctors often go through such efforts even with little hope that a patient can be saved."

There is a curious parallel here to the 'peace process' that western politicians are so eager to engage in.

52 traderjoe9  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 5:13:46pm
doctors often go through such efforts even with little hope that a patient can be saved.

Oh please! I'm no doctor, but I can't imagine a doctor simply giving up like the way that doctor supposedly did...

Not to mention that the entire scene looks staged - especially the way Gilbert was pointing to the screen after he supposedly died...looks like bullshit acting to me.

53 ArmyWife  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 5:13:50pm

re: #43 slartybartfast

GMTA!

54 WhiteRasta  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 5:14:05pm

When one says "Palestinian Doctor" it is hard for me not to burst out laughing.

55 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 5:14:07pm

But...but... but the real film is so boring... Juice doing nothing but killing armed terrorists. We can't be expected to show THAT!

--CNN

56 ArmyWife  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 5:14:32pm

re: #50 Wyatt Earp

we are at level tomfoolery for the moment

57 pat  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 5:14:38pm

"I'm not a real Dr. I play one on TV. But I am a real terrorist."

58 CIA Reject  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 5:14:46pm

re: #29 JacksonTn

That sums up the entire democrat campaign this past two years ...

The really sad part about it is it works.

Like the old-timer's said back home: "Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me!"

59 jcbunga  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 5:14:51pm

Sadly, that child risks eventually being killed for good being surrounded by these fools. Their logic no doubt considers this a wash.

60 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 5:14:52pm
Raafat Hamdouna, administrative director at Shifa Hospital in Gaza City, said Friday that "Mahmoud Khalil Mashharawi, a 12-year-old, was brought to the hospital, and he was breathing, but he was hit in the head and all over his body by shrapnel.

If you go to 1:00 of the Ch4 video on this thread

"Cradled in the arms of his loved ones, 12 yr old Maouhmoud might already be dead"

In the Ch4 segment this is before they take him to the hospital. If he was breathing why would they think he might be dead?

61 winston06  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 5:14:52pm

I haven't watched CNN in more than 2 yrs now...

62 rightwinger3  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 5:15:02pm

re: #18 Wyatt Earp

As long as their peers don't shake the tree, in their minds, they will get away with it.

Their peers are NBC...and they're pissed that they didn't have the video. No way will NBC, CBS etc. call them on this.

63 Slumbering Behemoth  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 5:15:24pm

re: #44 Slumbering Behemoth

Dang, why is it that every time I post something in the spin-off links it ends up getting stuck on my nic?

64 Bloodnok  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 5:15:32pm

re: #56 ArmyWife

we are at level tomfoolery for the moment

Rapidly approaching hijinx level.

65 ted  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 5:16:03pm

re: #41 CIA Reject

As opposed to moving on and actually resuscitating another patient who can be saved.

/Sure...

Every ER does triage. More BS.

66 mashiki  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 5:16:03pm

Editorial rubber stamping goes forward! There's no perceived bias, only the bias which we present. I sent this to one of my friends who's a trainer for St. Johns Ambulance and he was beside himself with how anyone could even believe that it's anything but fake.

67 who is john galt  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 5:16:08pm

Assign Christiane Amanpour to do an attack piece on blogs

get ready you know it coming

68 Griffon  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 5:16:14pm

So the doctor was just going through the motions to make the cameraman think he was trying to save his brother? So why didn't he do a better job of it? It's not as if it mattered if he broke his ribs if he was already dead.

69 rawmuse  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 5:16:14pm

Hey, who ya gonna believe, me or your lying eyes?

70 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 5:16:15pm

re: #64 Bloodnok

Rapidly approaching hijinx level.

Approaching? What did you call this past year's election cycle?

71 albusteve  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 5:16:29pm

re: #61 winston06

I haven't watched CNN in more than 2 yrs now...

if nothing else there is power in numbers...good for you

72 akak  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 5:16:32pm

re: #54 WhiteRasta

When one says "Palestinian Doctor" it is hard for me not to burst out laughing.


In Canadistan they (foreign physicians) are soon to be getting free training, I'm sure the domestic physicians won't mind paying their freight.

73 jaunte  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 5:16:35pm

re: #60 Killgore Trout

No storyboard. Shoot first, with a rough sequence, and some continuity errors creep into the edited versions.

74 gmsc  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 5:16:37pm

re: #64 Bloodnok

Rapidly approaching hijinx level.

I call shenanigans!

(Or at least a shenanigan warning.)

75 Sharmuta  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 5:17:13pm

re: #60 Killgore Trout

Well- either cnn or Ch 4 is running a BS video. My guess is that they both are.

76 swamprat  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 5:17:31pm

The tape is absolutley genuine.

It is made by BASF and has some faked propaganda recorded on it.

77 ArmyWife  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 5:17:39pm

re: #60 Killgore Trout

You are on thin ice, buster. We said it was accurate. We asked reputable employees. Now if you don't stop with your facts, we will be forced to do something terrible. so JUST STOP NOW.

78 Doctor Bulldog  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 5:18:09pm

re: #76 swamprat

LOL!

Cheers

79 Bobblehead  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 5:18:13pm

Anyone notice or hear that LGF got a mention on Rush today about this controversy?

By the way, they were called on that by the blog Little Green Footballs, so they pulled the phony video that Hamas staged for them off the story, but the text of the story remains the same! So we can't trust CNN.
80 Lincolntf  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 5:18:14pm

I've seen too many versions of the video to keep them straight, but does CNN's explanation address the "timeline" changes?

81 ArmyWife  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 5:18:30pm

re: #64 Bloodnok

I am afraid we will reach full blown shenanigans at this rate.

82 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 5:18:36pm

The Ch4 segment also clearly states that they drove from the hospital to the cemetery. In the CNN piece they drive him home first. Which is it?

83 CIA Reject  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 5:18:45pm

re: #49 Right mind left

NEXT:
Assign Christiane Amanpour to do an attack piece on blogs

That is the next step in the "Clinton Two Step" (soon to be the "BO Trot") method of defense:

Step 1: Deny
Step 2: Attack the accuser.

Repeat as necessary until the public is tired of hearing about it...

84 slartybartfast  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 5:18:53pm

re: #61 winston06

I haven't watched CNN in more than 2 yrs now...

Me too. Even my mom (age 82) has begun to refer to them as the "Communist News Network".

At this point, their TV audience isn't the world's greatest collection of critical thinkers...

85 rightwinger3  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 5:18:59pm

re: #75 Sharmuta

Well- either cnn or Ch 4 is running a BS video. My guess is that they both are.

They are edited differently. CNN shows the video in the living room after the hospital, Ch4 before if I'm not mistaken.

86 Sharmuta  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 5:19:01pm

re: #79 Bobblehead

Yes

87 LGoPs  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 5:19:07pm

I've realized that I've been protesting CNN and their ilk passively. I tuned all these bastards out years ago, when I first detected overt bias.
But I think I need to do better. I need to discipline myself to write down who their sponsors are and start writing to them, expressing my displeasure and my intention to avoid their products. Without fanfare, without a lot of hoopla, just quietly making a point. They won't really give a shit about me but if more of us do it maybe, in the aggregate it will hasten the demise of these bastards. It's what they richly deserve.......

88 ArmyWife  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 5:19:13pm

re: #83 CIA Reject

deny, deny, deny, make counter accusations.

89 Wyatt Earp  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 5:19:51pm

re: #56 ArmyWife

we are at level tomfoolery for the moment


Approaching monkey business.

90 Bobblehead  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 5:19:56pm

re: #86 Sharmuta

Yes

Excellent

91 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 5:20:07pm

re: #75 Sharmuta

Yup, they both are and they can't keep their lies straight. The doctor screwed up by saying the boy a breathing when he arrived.

92 jcbunga  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 5:20:16pm

This could a clip from the new comedy/war spoof from Palestinian TV:
M*A*S*Hoogina

93 albusteve  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 5:20:22pm

why is the doctor not ventilating?...that's all there is to it right there imo

94 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 5:20:32pm

re: #83 CIA Reject

I thought it had more steps:

1. Deny
2. Delay
3. Distract
4. Demonize

/but the point is correct. Everything that was old is new again... with Unicorns!

95 gmsc  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 5:20:48pm

re: #79 Bobblehead

Anyone notice or hear that LGF got a mention on Rush today about this controversy?

Cool.

How long before Sean Hannity announces this as an exclusive that he discovered without any help from anyone?

96 pat  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 5:21:16pm

re: #95 gmsc

lol. Absolutely true.

97 Sharmuta  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 5:21:24pm

re: #85 rightwinger3

They are edited differently. CNN shows the video in the living room after the hospital, Ch4 before if I'm not mistaken.

Yes- I watched them back to back, and clearly one of them is flawed. I think the entire video was staged, but the narrative is different in the two videos so fo r cnn to say this is genuine is laughable at best.

98 jwb7605  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 5:21:31pm

re: #87 LGoPs

I've realized that I've been protesting CNN and their ilk passively. I tuned all these bastards out years ago, when I first detected overt bias.
But I think I need to do better. I need to discipline myself to write down who their sponsors are and start writing to them, expressing my displeasure and my intention to avoid their products. Without fanfare, without a lot of hoopla, just quietly making a point. They won't really give a shit about me but if more of us do it maybe, in the aggregate it will hasten the demise of these bastards. It's what they richly deserve.......

Instead of a bailout, I'd guess the gummint is going to merge them with PBS

99 Adrenalyn  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 5:21:59pm

so I was right in the last thread
they just gave everyone the middle finger

100 ArmyWife  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 5:22:06pm

re: #95 gmsc

It would be tonight,but he has a pre-recorded interview with the Pres, so it will need to wait until tomorrow for breaking discovery.

101 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 5:23:01pm

re: #98 jwb7605

Instead of a bailout, I'd guess the gummint is going to merge them with PBS

It's a win-win for sure. Fake and Boring. I can't wait!

102 wrenchwench  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 5:23:20pm

This kind of irony is invisible to journalists:

Gaza video genuine, journalists say

103 Dar ul Harb  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 5:23:23pm

re: #40 invictus1

CNN: We tell the truth! Well, really, most of the time we do, well, uh..

Unless, of course, we're in a totalitarian Arab country...

104 albusteve  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 5:23:26pm

re: #97 Sharmuta

Yes- I watched them back to back, and clearly one of them is flawed. I think the entire video was staged, but the narrative is different in the two videos so fo r cnn to say this is genuine is laughable at best.

I hope I have to eat my words...what a takedown this would be

105 europhobe  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 5:23:29pm

LOL.

1)Those are not chest compressions. You practically have to break the sternum to push blood in an unbeating heart up to the brain.

2) Chest compressions without oxegen is a waste of time. You are pushing deoxygenated blood to the brain.

You can push air without compressions. You don't do compressions without pushing air.

What a joke.

CPR doesn't work anyway - even if done properly.

106 LGoPs  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 5:23:34pm

re: #98 jwb7605

Instead of a bailout, I'd guess the gummint is going to merge them with PBS

Might as well. They're already the PR wing of the democratic Party.

107 rightwinger3  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 5:23:44pm

re: #97 Sharmuta

Yes- I watched them back to back, and clearly one of them is flawed. I think the entire video was staged, but the narrative is different in the two videos so fo r cnn to say this is genuine is laughable at best.

Yeah it's ridiculous to say this wasn't staged.

108 Bloodnok  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 5:24:23pm

re: #81 ArmyWife

I am afraid we will reach full blown shenanigans at this rate.

Sadly that is true. "Up to No Good" and "Downright Shiftiness" are mere formalities at this point. Shenanigans will be reached by 11:00 PM.

109 jaunte  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 5:24:35pm

From Volokh Conspiracy:

"FURTHER UPDATE: A reader writes: "As an introduction, I am an attack helicopter pilot with somewhere north of 400 combat missions in geographic areas very similar to Gaza. Your thoughts are correct. Events as described didn’t happen as alleged. The link [Link: www.fas.org...] has significant info regarding one of the smaller drone armed weapons, the AGM-114 Hellfire. I am very familiar with this weapon as this is the same missile with a different type of warhead that US Attack helicopters are armed with. Bottom line, 100lb missile moving at about 400 M/s is going to cause structural damage to the building even if it was one of the inert warhead types." See also this contribution to the comments. That seems to settle that.]


[Link: www.volokh.com...]

110 Dar ul Harb  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 5:24:54pm

re: #51 jaunte

Mega upding!

111 CIA Reject  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 5:25:09pm

re: #94 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

I thought it had more steps:

1. Deny
2. Delay
3. Distract
4. Demonize

/but the point is correct. Everything that was old is new again... with Unicorns!

LOL!

112 RedDish  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 5:25:36pm

Wait---injured about the head and chest?! Lost a foot? Where's the blood for those injuries? The sheet has one little bitty red food coloring stain, but this kid had shrapnel around the head and chest----AND lost a foot? 'Cradled in his brother's arms should be a little bloodier, shouldn't it? Need to look at the video again...don't they show the lower part of the person being lowered into the grave?

113 Killian Bundy  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 5:25:53pm
CNN Says the Video is Genuine

/genuine what?

114 Age Of Freedom  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 5:26:06pm

This video is a mere drop of palestinian propaganda the left is injecting daily into the screens of hundreds of millions around the globe.

None of these "journalists" ever cares to ask the obvious:
1) why the palis never invested a dime of all the endless of billions of $ into protecting their citizens, in education, modernity, peace and life.
2) why did the palis instead put all their maximum jihad effort into smuggling weapons and bombs, building an army of terrorist cowards, rigging the entire strip into a giant booby trap and rockets launching pad and inciting deeper for death and the destruction of Israel.
3) why aren't they learning a lesson that they can't win and won't ever win with terror and religious supremacy since before the reestablishment of modern Israel?
4) when will the arabs and muslims ever learn?

Then, that would be fair and balanced news.
So yes, the media is infinitely times 2 fucked up beyond repair.

115 Lincolntf  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 5:26:17pm

It's kinda funny that Charles didn't include a "CNN sticks by it's story" option in the poll.
I wonder how many votes that would have gotten? Certainly not mine.

116 gmsc  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 5:26:19pm

In a semi-related story, PEB0 (President-Elect Barack 0bama) kept his promise yesterday to meet with the leader of Hamas. 0bama and the Hamas leader are pictured here, along with President Bush, and former Presidents Bush and Clinton.

117 Archimedes  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 5:26:28pm

I guess their choice was option E: keep living the lie.

118 Sharmuta  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 5:26:40pm

Perhaps cnn is unaware this story's got legs thanks to other blogs and Rush. I don't think this is going to go away like they think.

When someone else in the msm finally (maybe) reports on this, look for "littlegreenfootballs" or "LGF" to be replaced by "right wing blogger".

119 swamprat  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 5:26:46pm

"No time for ceremony". No time time for prayers. No time for a clean burial sheet.

We looked over the tape, saw that it had some serious flaws, and made excuses.......on the tape......they covered for the BS right on the friggin' tape!

120 So?  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 5:27:03pm

Those genuine (cough, cough) doctors should have used a magic wand instead.

121 gmsc  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 5:27:21pm

re: #117 Archimedes

I guess their choice was option E: keep living the lie.

Ron Paul?

122 LGoPs  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 5:27:23pm

See you later my friends. Keep up the fire......

123 VegasRick  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 5:27:40pm

re: #82 Killgore Trout

The Ch4 segment also clearly states that they drove from the hospital to the cemetery. In the CNN piece they drive him home first. Which is it?

They live at the cemetery! It's simple!

124 WhiteRasta  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 5:27:50pm

re: #72 akak

It will be a cold day in Hell before one of them ever treat me or my children.

Speak English and pass the board exams, first.

"Free Health Care" at work for you.

125 CIA Reject  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 5:28:15pm

re: #117 Archimedes

I guess their choice was option E: keep living the lie.

That's our story and we're stickin' to it!

126 Iron Fist  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 5:28:17pm

Fake but accurate? How many times are they going to try that happy horseshit? It didn't work for Rather, I doubt it'll work here, either.

127 Age Of Freedom  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 5:28:28pm

re: #117 Archimedes

I guess their choice was option E: keep living the lie.

That option is AKA "Maximum Jihad".

128 rightwinger3  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 5:28:29pm

This video is genuine. As are these photographs.

129 europhobe  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 5:28:35pm

Blame must be placed on the consumers of this propaganda. It is produced for them.

130 So?  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 5:28:57pm

If I ever need to be resusitated I hope someone tickles me instead.

/Who needs someone else's bad breath.

131 Archimedes  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 5:29:11pm

I'll bet Joe The Plumber would have got this one right, Kyra Phillips.

132 ArmyWife  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 5:29:12pm

re: #118 Sharmuta

In their world no one of substance reads/listens to that stuff so forward Ho!

(Dan Rather was right in their world, too)

133 Fat Jolly Penguin  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 5:29:12pm

"And we would've gotten away with it too, if it wasn't for you meddling kids bloggers."

134 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 5:29:29pm
135 So?  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 5:29:34pm

re: #113 Killian Bundy

/genuine what?

Crap.

136 Dr. Shalit  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 5:29:39pm

re: #124 WhiteRasta

It will be a cold day in Hell before one of them ever treat me or my children.

Speak English and pass the board exams, first.

"Free Health Care" at work for you.

Rasta -

See: UK National Health - "The Doctor is Back in the House"

-S-

137 SlartyBartfast  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 5:29:45pm

I think I did find some element of truth in the CNN account:

Before bloggers made their accusations, Mashharawi told CNN, "I believed at that moment if I didn't record that nobody will believe what's happened to my brother. Because it is unbelievable. Until now, I can't believe what's happened."

Me too, Mashharawi!

138 gmsc  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 5:29:46pm

re: #128 rightwinger3

This video is genuine. As are these photographs.

I like the last one - I can haz missle?

139 Archimedes  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 5:30:09pm

re: #128 rightwinger3

This video is genuine. As are these photographs.

LOL! :D

140 ArmyWife  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 5:30:15pm

re: #128 rightwinger3

Wiley Coyote's brother Wirley took that photo and he said it was absolute truth. So there it is.

141 jcbunga  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 5:30:23pm

"CNN insists that the Gaza video is genuine..."

Please can a get a SHOCKA! ?

142 jaunte  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 5:30:25pm

Video: AGM-114 Hellfire missile test:

143 Age Of Freedom  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 5:30:26pm

re: #126 Iron Fist

Rather™


With the ™ on, it looks and feels similar to:

ROPMA™

144 WhiteRasta  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 5:30:31pm

All joking aside, Israel is losing the propaganda war.

There seems to be a mainstream hatred towards Israel and Jews.

145 mean Gene  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 5:30:37pm

So, pretending to treat people in Gaza is par for the course?
Lovely.
It's ALL theatre!
Not only is there no fun in Islam, there is no contact with reality in it, either.

146 Outrider  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 5:30:58pm
Responding to accusations that the resuscitation efforts of Mashharawi’s brother appeared inauthentic, Martin said that, based on his years of reporting from Gaza, doctors often go through such efforts even with little hope that a patient can be saved.


Even with video cameras filming it all.

CNN has really got to come up with better than that.

147 unclassifiable  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 5:31:26pm

If this is such a tragedy then why doesn't Hamas just stop shooting rockets into Israel and stop smuggling arms into its territories?

148 Iron Fist  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 5:31:30pm

re: #124 WhiteRasta

I had a doctor during my teen years who was Mexican. He was also the best physican I've ever had. The only complaint was that he was too freaking popular. He basically worked 12 hour days, and people were still stacking up in his lobby.

149 Wilderstad  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 5:31:38pm

re: #17 LGoPs

The thing that needs rescusitation here is CNN's reputation......and I'm afraid that's DOA........


re: #87 LGoPs

I've realized that I've been protesting CNN and their ilk passively. I tuned all these bastards out years ago, when I first detected overt bias.
But I think I need to do better. I need to discipline myself to write down who their sponsors are and start writing to them, expressing my displeasure and my intention to avoid their products. Without fanfare, without a lot of hoopla, just quietly making a point. They won't really give a shit about me but if more of us do it maybe, in the aggregate it will hasten the demise of these bastards. It's what they richly deserve.......

I think you should send that to them in a nice succinct email. Along with what you posted in a second installment. The more we put up with this kind of obvious bias, the more we'll get of it. They clearly think that their viewers are stupid.

150 Bobblehead  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 5:31:49pm

re: #128 rightwinger3

This video is genuine. As are these photographs.

Flat Fatima. Ah.... the memories.

151 Geepers  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 5:31:58pm

This story needs resuscitation.

152 JacksonTn  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 5:32:06pm

re: #144 WhiteRasta

All joking aside, Israel is losing the propaganda war.

There seems to be a mainstream hatred towards Israel and Jews.

Israel needs to just do what is good for Israel ...f*ck the msm ...

153 goddessoftheclassroom  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 5:32:22pm

re: #105 europhobe

LOL.

1)Those are not chest compressions. You practically have to break the sternum to push blood in an unbeating heart up to the brain.

2) Chest compressions without oxegen is a waste of time. You are pushing deoxygenated blood to the brain.

You can push air without compressions. You don't do compressions without pushing air.

What a joke.

CPR doesn't work anyway - even if done properly.

Years ago I practiced CPR are a mannequin with special sensors. In order to pass the certification test, I had to use a lot of force on the chest compressions, and if I really had to do CPR, that would not probably be enough.

154 Outrider  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 5:32:33pm

re: #128 rightwinger3

This video is genuine. As are these photographs.

I vote for the Ceiling cat one as first and the Wile E. Coyote as second. ;-)>

155 vero  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 5:32:39pm

CNN and Headline news is 100% blocked on our TV's as porn channels - We do not invite anyone in to our homes like them -

156 WhiteRasta  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 5:32:42pm

re: #136 Dr. Shalit

In the UK? I despair at the place formerly known as Great Britain.

I visit there often and it's really sad.

157 dentate  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 5:32:42pm

CNN used to have that nice feature: "Paging Dr. Gupta!" Why don't we ask SANJAY GUPTA to comment on the video? No reasonable person who has ever had the rudiments of a medical education would ever find that video authentic. Would be wonderful to see him squirm, between CNN and the Surgeon General thing.

158 gmsc  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 5:32:46pm

re: #147 unclassifiable

If this is such a tragedy then why doesn't Hamas just stop shooting rockets into Israel and stop smuggling arms into its territories?

The fact that you even asked such a question shows that you aren't nuanced!

///////////////////////////

(There aren't enough slashies in the world to wash away how I felt after typing that!)

159 Render  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 5:33:04pm

re: #109 jaunte

That's what I've been saying for the last 24 hours.

Hand grenade, 30mm or 40mm grenade, or one of the smaller RPG warheads.

Haven't seen many of the Russian style under barrel 30mm grenade launchers in Gaza recently, (they're quite popular among the Afghan/Pakistani al-Q/Taliban set though), but there are numerous recent photos of HAMAS thugs armed with US style M-203 40mm grenade launchers on their stolen M-16's.

Whatever hit the roof of that building didn't come from an aircraft.

SEZ
SO,
R

160 wrenchwench  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 5:33:31pm

re: #146 Outrider

Even with video cameras filming it all.

CNN has really got to come up with better than that.

Especially with cameras filming it all.

No, wait.

Only with cameras filming it all.

161 Steve  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 5:33:33pm

My response to one of the commenters:
These people are notorious for faking just about everything. It is always Israels fault with people like you. You have no concept of what is going on over there. Hamas launches 10 or more rockets a day into Israel and when Israel finally gets tired of having the rockets and then putting a stop to it it is Israel's fault for starting the war. Watch the videos of the Palis dressing their kids up in suicide vests or teaching them that hate is okay. Watch the Palis launch rockets and mortars from schoolyards, hospital grounds and residential areas. So take you stupid, insane propaganda and take a long walk off of a short pier.
Oh and by the way, I come from a medical family and I am an emergency responder and that is not CPR that they are performing. It is a fake and a sham.
Why use a stand in to show what is going on? Where are the photos of his real children? And how do we know that this is his kid? Just because he says so? I personally believe that the cameramen kids are probably okay and living somewhere safe. IMHO

162 WhiteRasta  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 5:33:53pm

re: #148 Iron Fist

I bet he spoke English and passed his board exams .......

163 So?  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 5:34:05pm

Why should Goliath (CNN) back down. It's analogous to the tobacco companies who defended their death nails for decades. But the day shall come to pass when CNN will get their just deserts. Old media is dying a slow death... in 5 years CNN will be irrelevant.

164 Charles  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 5:34:23pm

At 1:48 in the Channel 4 video there's a brief glimpse of one of the boy's bare legs, with that odd heavy blanket pulled back. There's no blood around it at all, but there does appear to be a wound on the shin.

If he was missing a foot, wouldn't there be blood everywhere around his legs? Why are they covered up with a blanket in a hospital?

165 dentate  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 5:34:36pm

re: #144 WhiteRasta

All joking aside, Israel is losing the propaganda war.

There seems to be a mainstream hatred towards Israel and Jews.

I repeat again. This is nothing new at all. This is exactly the same blood libel--Jews murdering non Jewish children--that has been thrown at Jews for over a thousand years, and is still current in Egyptian and Saudi education.

166 albusteve  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 5:34:51pm

re: #144 WhiteRasta

All joking aside, Israel is losing the propaganda war.

There seems to be a mainstream hatred towards Israel and Jews.

well that's the point of this video exercise...if CJ can just crack the veneer who knows what can happen after that...I am very pessimistic that CNN will will forfeit their cred without a huge scrap but what if Hannity picks it up for example?...you never know....it may be a serendipitous type moment

167 So?  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 5:35:30pm

re: #139 Archimedes

LOL! :D

Those are hilarious!

168 Dr. Shalit  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 5:35:38pm

re: #152 JacksonTn

Israel needs to just do what is good for Israel ...f*ck the msm ...

"J-TN" -

Israel IS doing the best that they can. The MSM is banned from GAZA. What gets out from the Hamas side is what they can slide out or be empowered to do so. On the emowerment the question is - BY WHO?

-S-

169 Archimedes  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 5:35:40pm

re: #155 vero

CNN and Headline news is 100% blocked on our TV's as porn channels - We do not invite anyone in to our homes like them -

Wonder if Flint will get that government bailout.

170 WhiteRasta  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 5:35:43pm

re: #164 Charles

Oh for goodness sake! Stop using logic, here.

171 swamprat  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 5:36:05pm

re: #148 Iron Fist

I had a doctor during my teen years who was Mexican. He was also the best physican I've ever had. The only complaint was that he was too freaking popular. He basically worked 12 hour days, and people were still stacking up in his lobby.


What a shame; If only he could have helped them in time!

172 jaunte  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 5:36:14pm

re: #164 Charles

It does seem that they have not been shy in the past about showing actual wounds, when they had wounded people to exploit. This event is notably clean.

173 jcbunga  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 5:36:55pm

The "doctas" may be graduates of the Gaza medical equivalent of flight school...they learned how to kill patients but not resuscitate them.

174 mean Gene  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 5:36:56pm

re: #163 So?

Why should Goliath (CNN) back down. It's analogous to the tobacco companies who defended their death nails for decades. But the day shall come to pass when CNN will get their just deserts. Old media is dying a slow death... in 5 years CNN will be irrelevant.

I well remember that blond tobacco industry spokeswoman.
She had shoulder-length hair and huge black circles under her eyes.
PBS must have had her on speed dial in the days before 24 hour news channels.

175 rightwinger3  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 5:36:59pm

re: #164 Charles

At 1:48 in the Channel 4 video there's a brief glimpse of one of the boy's bare legs, with that odd heavy blanket pulled back. There's no blood around it at all, but there does appear to be a wound on the shin.

If he was missing a foot, wouldn't there be blood everywhere around his legs? Why are they covered up with a blanket in a hospital?


Charles, I don't think so. Remember the movie "Meaning of Life"? That guy had his whole leg bitten off by what we do in fact call "A Tiger". I didn't see any blood there either.

176 Geepers  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 5:37:11pm

Charles (#164),

Why are they covered up with a blanket in a hospital?

Is "it's fake" too obvious an answer?

177 zombie  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 5:37:22pm

OK, I just watched the video for the first time.

What exactly is the fat "doctor" doing to the chest/stomach of the the boy? Giving him a light massage? Tickling him? (No, tickling is usually even firmer than that.) Playing patty-cake?

Some possibilties:

1. The boy had actually died earlier, but they wanted to recreate the scene for the cameras. Bad acting.
or 2. Doctors in Palestine are simply incompetent to a degree which can't really grasp. Because if that guy's a doctor, and he's actually trying to give CPR, he has NO idea what he's doing.
or 3. The fat guy is not a doctor at all, but an impromptu actor in a doctor's smock, and the scene is staged.

Next, I'd like to draw your attention to how the Western-looking (Norwegian?) doctor points, twice, at the video display, indicating that the boy is the process of dying. Say what?!? If that wasn't done for the benefit of the cameras, I'm a monkey's aunt or uncle. What real doctor in a real code-red situation would point to the screen and shrug and say, "Look, the guy is dying right in front of our eyes. Gee, that's sad." If that's real, that doctor is also an incompetent buffoon.

And lastly, the detail that the boy was shot by "an unmanned Israeil drone" is repeated as verified fact in the article, but in the video we learn that the family is the only source of this information. If they weren't on the roof, then how do they know? Again, seems like a fabricated fact concocted to make the Israelis seem sinister.

I don't know what happened off-camera. Yes, it could be that the guy's brother got injured somehow, by Israelis or otherwise, and then died. But if that happened it seemed like what we're seeing in part of the video is a re-creation of the incident, not the incident itself.

Alternately, the story is a tangled web of lies and half-truths and suppositions.

178 ted  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 5:37:25pm

re: #164 Charles

At 1:48 in the Channel 4 video there's a brief glimpse of one of the boy's bare legs, with that odd heavy blanket pulled back. There's no blood around it at all, but there does appear to be a wound on the shin.

If he was missing a foot, wouldn't there be blood everywhere around his legs? Why are they covered up with a blanket in a hospital?

There would be massive amounts of blood.

179 Iron Fist  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 5:37:43pm

re: #144 WhiteRasta


Yeah, and I'm hard pressed to wonder why they are losing the propaganda wars. They are fighting an enemy that treats a murderer who smashed a child's head with a rifle butt as a motherfuckin' hero. And the fucking Press just goes along twiddling their thumbs chanting "Diversity!"

We face an enemy like no other enemy in history. They excel in inhuman brutality, and the fucking Media still wants to piss and moan about panties on their head at Abu Grabass.

It drives me fucking nuts. Granted, it was a short drive, but still...

180 Age Of Freedom  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 5:37:47pm

re: #144 WhiteRasta

All joking aside, Israel is losing the propaganda war.

There seems to be a mainstream hatred towards Israel and Jews.

Israel (including all non-delusional Jews) are a microscopic dot in an ocean of liberal bias that's been prevalent for MANY decades. It's like winning the propaganda war in Al Jizzira.

181 Sharmuta  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 5:38:13pm

re: #172 jaunte

It does seem that they have not been shy in the past about showing actual wounds, when they had wounded people to exploit. This event is notably clean.

Note when they wrap the boy up at the hospital there's blood on the bed, but his sheet is clean.

182 albusteve  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 5:38:14pm

re: #164 Charles

At 1:48 in the Channel 4 video there's a brief glimpse of one of the boy's bare legs, with that odd heavy blanket pulled back. There's no blood around it at all, but there does appear to be a wound on the shin.

If he was missing a foot, wouldn't there be blood everywhere around his legs? Why are they covered up with a blanket in a hospital?

if he were alive and missing a foot it would have had a huge compression pack on it to staunch the massive blood flow...it's not there

183 Wishing  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 5:38:36pm

Looking at the second video on this link, they show a blood-spattered corner of the building..as the camera takes a different shot, you see a blood stain (large) on the roof, but WAY too far from the corner that was shot in the earlier frame. (starts around 1:04)

184 dentate  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 5:38:50pm

re: #164 Charles

Charles, as I said yesterday, there is no wound on the head when we see it as he is being carried home, and no limbs appear missing. This was a rocket attack, so shrapnel or penetrating injuries--where are they? If his chest or abdomen was crushed, the code should include chest tubes. There would be blood everywhere. The parents would be screaming. The doctors would be bent over the patient, shouting orders and calling for drugs and IVs as round after round of resuscitation continues.

I'm a surgeon, I have seen hundreds of codes, and unfortunately lots of failed ones. This is a sham, and a poor one. Like I say, let's get CNN to have Sanjay Gupta give a running commentary on this video. He is a neurosurgeon. He would know. I do not believe he would lie on behalf of CNN.

185 Archimedes  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 5:38:51pm

re: #144 WhiteRasta

All joking aside, Israel is losing the propaganda war.

There seems to be a mainstream hatred towards Israel and Jews.

Media hatred, which I believe is being driven by postmodernism. That's a bit abstract, but we get a daily barrage of anti-Western propaganda, and it does take its toll.

186 jaunte  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 5:38:52pm

Here's another (slow-motion) AGM-114 test strike.

187 So?  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 5:39:32pm

re: #165 dentate

I repeat again. This is nothing new at all. This is exactly the same blood libel--Jews murdering non Jewish children--that has been thrown at Jews for over a thousand years, and is still current in Egyptian and Saudi education.

Well perhaps if Israel faked a few hundred dead and missing limbs from the rocket attacks maybe, just maybe, the media would take notice.

Hamas' propaganda is based on lies, lies and more lies.

188 zombie  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 5:39:48pm

re: #52 traderjoe9

Oh please! I'm no doctor, but I can't imagine a doctor simply giving up like the way that doctor supposedly did...

Not to mention that the entire scene looks staged - especially the way Gilbert was pointing to the screen after he supposedly died...looks like bullshit acting to me.

To me as well.

Seriously, try to imagine an actual doctor in an actual emergency pointing at the screen at saying, "Look He's flatlining!" Maybe in a grade-Z hospital drama TV show, but not in real life.

189 Wishing  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 5:40:00pm

re: #164 Charles

Exactly Charles, I noted that on the last thread. There is an obvious laceration on the left lower leg but both feet, it appears, are covered by the blanket (the same blanket the man performing CPR has his hands on).

190 Archimedes  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 5:40:14pm

re: #175 rightwinger3

Charles, I don't think so. Remember the movie "Meaning of Life"? That guy had his whole leg bitten off by what we do in fact call "A Tiger". I didn't see any blood there either.

Yes, but in Monty Python and The Holy Grail the Black Knight suffered a "flesh wound" and there was plenty of blood. So, it's hard to say.

191 WayDownSouthInBama  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 5:40:19pm

"Martin said that, based on his years of reporting from Gaza, doctors THE MSM often go through such efforts even with little hope that a patient REPUTATION can be saved."

There,at least THAT has a ring of truth to it,which is a lot more than I can say about most "reporting" going on at CNN.

192 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 5:40:21pm

re: #179 Iron Fist

Well said. In the end, Western Civilization will have destroyed itself by an inability to defend itself.

193 jaunte  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 5:40:35pm

re: #188 zombie

Yes, that was pretty amateurish. "Look at the line! It's flat!"

194 VegasRick  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 5:40:43pm

re: #177 zombie

OK, I just watched the video for the first time.

What exactly is the fat "doctor" doing to the chest/stomach of the the boy? Giving him a light massage? Tickling him? (No, tickling is usually even firmer than that.) Playing patty-cake?

Some possibilties:

1. The boy had actually died earlier, but they wanted to recreate the scene for the cameras. Bad acting.
or 2. Doctors in Palestine are simply incompetent to a degree which can't really grasp. Because if that guy's a doctor, and he's actually trying to give CPR, he has NO idea what he's doing.
or 3. The fat guy is not a doctor at all, but an impromptu actor in a doctor's smock, and the scene is staged.

Next, I'd like to draw your attention to how the Western-looking (Norwegian?) doctor points, twice, at the video display, indicating that the boy is the process of dying. Say what?!? If that wasn't done for the benefit of the cameras, I'm a monkey's aunt or uncle. What real doctor in a real code-red situation would point to the screen and shrug and say, "Look, the guy is dying right in front of our eyes. Gee, that's sad." If that's real, that doctor is also an incompetent buffoon.

And lastly, the detail that the boy was shot by "an unmanned Israeil drone" is repeated as verified fact in the article, but in the video we learn that the family is the only source of this information. If they weren't on the roof, then how do they know? Again, seems like a fabricated fact concocted to make the Israelis seem sinister.

I don't know what happened off-camera. Yes, it could be that the guy's brother got injured somehow, by Israelis or otherwise, and then died. But if that happened it seemed like what we're seeing in part of the video is a re-creation of the incident, not the incident itself.

Alternately, the story is a tangled web of lies and half-truths and suppositions.

Well...........other than that....... I think it's pretty accurate. Run it!
/cnn

195 Age Of Freedom  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 5:40:47pm

re: #128 rightwinger3

This video is genuine. As are these photographs.

lol that's great.
damn those FUGLERS never shave to work or what?

196 So?  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 5:41:07pm

re: #169 Archimedes

Wonder if Flint will get that government bailout.

When you see a huge phallic monument rise in Washington you'll know he did.

197 Mardukhai  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 5:41:08pm

In the new story, there is no attempt to explain the curious presence of Mad Mads, which throws the whole thing out the window. It's still a disingenuous cover up, a gross violation of professional ethics.

And at Daily Kos, the Kids seem to have a problem remembering the al-Dura mess, which no one bothers to defend anymore.

198 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 5:41:11pm

re: #164 Charles

Also if you look at 2:06 when the wrap the body with the sheet the bloodstain on the bed is much larger than the bloodstain on the sheet that covered it. It seen to me that it would be the other way around.

199 razorbacker  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 5:41:28pm
Note also that CNN has no response to the fact that Ashraf Mashharawi owns a business that operates websites for Hamas.

There is this,

Martin said accusations that Mashharawi owns a company that hosts Hamas Web sites were falsely based on Mashharawi having worked at a company that created the PS suffix to allow anyone of any political persuasion to create Palestinian Web sites.

I would expect, however, a lot more bleeding from a severe head wound, and goodness knows that shrapnel wounds all over the body would seem to have bled more, and that a missing foot should bleed, too.

200 Charles  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 5:41:50pm

re: #177 zombie

Next, I'd like to draw your attention to how the Western-looking (Norwegian?) doctor points, twice, at the video display, indicating that the boy is the process of dying. Say what?!? If that wasn't done for the benefit of the cameras, I'm a monkey's aunt or uncle. What real doctor in a real code-red situation would point to the screen and shrug and say, "Look, the guy is dying right in front of our eyes. Gee, that's sad." If that's real, that doctor is also an incompetent buffoon.

If you didn't notice the posts about him, that doctor is Mads Gilbert, a raving Norwegian moonbat who belongs to Norway's Maoist Red Party, and supported the hijackers in the 9/11 attacks.

Just for a little more context to this.

201 So?  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 5:42:06pm

re: #188 zombie

To me as well.

Seriously, try to imagine an actual doctor in an actual emergency pointing at the screen at saying, "Look He's flatlining!" Maybe in a grade-Z hospital drama TV show, but not in real life.

Right on. Even soap operas do a better job. With music too.

202 VegasRick  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 5:42:14pm

re: #190 Archimedes

Yes, but in Monty Python and The Holy Grail the Black Knight suffered a "flesh wound" and there was plenty of blood. So, it's hard to say.

Science!

203 Iron Fist  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 5:42:30pm

re: #162 WhiteRasta


Oh yeah, most definately. It's possible he saved my life once. when I was 15 I had a bleeding ulcer. Heavily bleeding ulcer. I wasn't having any stomach pains or anything, just blood running out of my nose and mouth as I slept. He knew immediately what was wrong, and took the steps necessary for me to have a full recovery.

He was also a legal immigrant. Might have even been a citizen. I didn't pay so much attention back then.

204 CapeCoddah  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 5:42:33pm

We need Lizard prayers for some Boston Firefighters.
[Link: www.bostonherald.com...]

205 Wishing  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 5:42:41pm

re: #179 Iron Fist

Yeah, and I'm hard pressed to wonder why they are losing the propaganda wars. They are fighting an enemy that treats a murderer who smashed a child's head with a rifle butt as a motherfuckin' hero. And the fucking Press just goes along twiddling their thumbs chanting "Diversity!"

We face an enemy like no other enemy in history. They excel in inhuman brutality, and the fucking Media still wants to piss and moan about panties on their head at Abu Grabass.

It drives me fucking nuts. Granted, it was a short drive, but still...

Actually, this go-round, we are doing VERY WELL in the PR wars. Jew-haters are always going to hate Jews, whether they are Hamas or the white guy down the street. That will NOT change. But Israel has gotten a great deal of credit for not striking back at Hamas, for giving up Gaza. The world saw what happened there, and I hear none of the rancor that I heard during Lebanon war.

206 Dr. Shalit  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 5:43:11pm

re: #156 WhiteRasta

In the UK? I despair at the place formerly known as Great Britain.

I visit there often and it's really sad.

Rasta -

The move from Great Britain to Little England is bad enough - unfortunately assisted by the Eisenhower Administration in 1956 - from there it was down faster or slower - except for the Thatcher Years - through to today. I had Hope in Tony Blair, a hope that was NOT repaid by UK Intellectuals. Que Lastima!

-S-

207 rightwinger3  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 5:43:15pm

re: #190 Archimedes

Yes, but in Monty Python and The Holy Grail the Black Knight suffered a "flesh wound" and there was plenty of blood. So, it's hard to say.

LOL.

208 stevieray  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 5:43:21pm
Responding to accusations that the resuscitation efforts of Mashharawi’s brother appeared inauthentic, Martin said that, based on his years of reporting from Gaza, doctors often go through such efforts even with little hope that a patient can be saved.

I don't understand why they think that statement makes anything better. It just means that fake, staged events are common in Gaza, and CNN won't bother to tell us what is real and what is a re-enactment.

209 Sarge1984  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 5:43:36pm

re: #16 rightwinger3

Like your avatar, Gunny.

210 jcbunga  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 5:43:45pm

re: #204 CapeCoddah

We need Lizard prayers for some Boston Firefighters.
[Link: www.bostonherald.com...]

Done.

211 Outrider  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 5:43:47pm

CNN is probably pushing this like the bogus ambulance affair in Lebanon hoping it will have the same impact now as the fuss about ambulances did then. It makes them seem relevant to a peace process.

212 SlartyBartfast  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 5:43:56pm

re: #184 dentate

Charles, as I said yesterday, there is no wound on the head when we see it as he is being carried home, and no limbs appear missing. This was a rocket attack, so shrapnel or penetrating injuries--where are they? If his chest or abdomen was crushed, the code should include chest tubes. There would be blood everywhere. The parents would be screaming. The doctors would be bent over the patient, shouting orders and calling for drugs and IVs as round after round of resuscitation continues.

I'm a surgeon, I have seen hundreds of codes, and unfortunately lots of failed ones. This is a sham, and a poor one. Like I say, let's get CNN to have Sanjay Gupta give a running commentary on this video. He is a neurosurgeon. He would know. I do not believe he would lie on behalf of CNN.

Sanja Gupta isn't going to be found within a hundred miles of this video, I GUARANTEE...

/Justin Wilson would concur.

213 morning star  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 5:44:43pm

In the Channel 4 video they say that the roof was "hit by a missile". I think a missile would have done a lot more damage.

214 rightwinger3  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 5:44:49pm

re: #209 Sarge1984

Like your avatar, Gunny.

Yours, too. Hooah, Sarge!

215 zombie  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 5:44:54pm

re: #200 Charles

If you didn't notice the posts about him, that doctor is Mads Gilbert, a raving Norwegian moonbat who belongs to Norway's Maoist Red Party, and supported hijackers in the 9/11 attacks.

Just for a little more context to this.

Yeah, I saw the posts about Gilbert, just wasn't quite up-to-date on the detail that the doctor depicted pointing at the screen was in fact Gilbert himself.

The fact that it is him, with all his agenda, makes the whole thing smell fishier.

216 Efoster  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 5:45:08pm

re: #6 WitchDoctor

And defended by the Civilian Security Forces....never disagree!

217 pfbatt  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 5:45:41pm

"Responding to accusations that the resuscitation efforts of Mashharawi’s brother appeared inauthentic, Martin said that, based on his years of reporting from Gaza, doctors often go through such efforts even with little hope that a patient can be saved."
No, No, Einstein, we didn't say "inauthentic" we said "COMPLETE BULLSHIT!"

218 jaunte  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 5:45:48pm

re: #200 Charles

reposting:
Here's Mads Gilbert shilling for Hamas, at the Workers Revolutionary Party site:
[Link: wrp.org.uk...]

219 deacon  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 5:46:00pm

What got me is that their is not much damage on the roof considering it was a rocket attack. They show a few broken cinder blocks, but come on, they were still stacked neatly with no mortar holding them. If a rock hit them they would have shattered. These rockets are destroying houses.

It reminds me of the woman that claimed they had shot up her house and was showing unfired ammunition as proof.

220 kingkenrod  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 5:46:12pm

Looks like CNN voted "Ron Paul" from the poll in the previous post.

221 FrogMarch  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 5:46:15pm

The facts get in the way.
huh - CNN?

222 Wishing  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 5:46:22pm

re: #157 dentate

CNN used to have that nice feature: "Paging Dr. Gupta!" Why don't we ask SANJAY GUPTA to comment on the video? No reasonable person who has ever had the rudiments of a medical education would ever find that video authentic. Would be wonderful to see him squirm, between CNN and the Surgeon General thing.

Great idea...Can someone maybe write to CNN and request Gupta's expertise?

223 albusteve  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 5:47:02pm

re: #211 Outrider

CNN is probably pushing this like the bogus ambulance affair in Lebanon hoping it will have the same impact now as the fuss about ambulances did then. It makes them seem relevant to a peace process.

maximum hubris there amigo....everybody wants a piece of the pie...nobody gives a shit about the palis except the Israelis...there's some irony for ya

224 Bloodnok  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 5:47:03pm

re: #204 CapeCoddah

We need Lizard prayers for some Boston Firefighters.
[Link: www.bostonherald.com...]

Ugh. I used to live in Mission Hill right by there.

225 jcbunga  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 5:47:04pm

It may have been bottle rockets.

Those will put your eye out.

226 Dr. Shalit  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 5:47:14pm

re: #200 Charles

If you didn't notice the posts about him, that doctor is Mads Gilbert, a raving Norwegian moonbat who belongs to Norway's Maoist Red Party, and supported hijackers in the 9/11 attacks.

Just for a little more context to this.

Charles -

The real shame is that the young "victim?" was NOT delivered to Hadassah Hospital in Jerusalem. The MSM would then be censoring the pictures of him Eating Ice Cream Cones - courtesy the Ape/Pig/Monkey - JOOOOS!

-S-

227 dentate  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 5:47:16pm

re: #198 Killgore Trout

Also if you look at 2:06 when the wrap the body with the sheet the bloodstain on the bed is much larger than the bloodstain on the sheet that covered it. It seen to me that it would be the other way around.

That is not unusual, as the mattress is generally plastic and so fluids flow through the sheet and pool on it. But the amount of blood is actually ridiculously small. You would see more than that from starting the IV in the middle of a code. DOCTORS TRYING TO SAVE A DYING CHILD ARE FRANTIC. This bears no resemblance whatever to a real code.

228 pat  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 5:47:38pm

re: #200 Charles

If you didn't notice the posts about him, that doctor is Mads Gilbert, a raving Norwegian moonbat who belongs to Norway's Maoist Red Party, and supported hijackers in the 9/11 attacks.

Just for a little more context to this.


fixed

229 So?  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 5:47:39pm

It looks like the Norwegian doctor, if he's truly a doctor, was coerced into his role. His nonchalant actions and mannerisms do not jive with the situation at hand. I think he was only "following orders" or else.

230 Dar ul Harb  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 5:48:07pm

re: #222 Wishing

Great idea...Can someone maybe write to CNN and request Gupta's expertise?

A spokesman for the President-elect said Dr. Gupta would just like to eat his waffle in peace.

231 Steve  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 5:48:33pm

re: #177 zombie

Zombie: On your first point, if they were recreating the scene:
a. Are they using a live stand in. If so why? Use the real patient.
b. If they are using the real patient why fake the chest compressions. You are not going to hurt the patient.

232 Mardukhai  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 5:48:48pm

We need a real website on Mad Mads, like the sites on Ward Churchill and Chomsky.

Anybody speak Norsk?

233 zombie  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 5:48:52pm

re: #229 So?

It looks like the Norwegian doctor, if he's truly a doctor, was coerced into his role. His nonchalant actions and mannerisms do not jive with the situation at hand. I think he was only "following orders" or else.

I don't think so. He is rabidly pro-Hamas. He may have in fact scripted the scene himself. It's just that he's a bad actor.

234 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 5:49:09pm

re: #227 dentate

That is not unusual, as the mattress is generally plastic and so fluids flow through the sheet and pool on it. But the amount of blood is actually ridiculously small.


Ah, thanks. That makes sense.

235 dentate  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 5:49:09pm

re: #212 SlartyBartfast

Sanja Gupta isn't going to be found within a hundred miles of this video, I GUARANTEE...

/Justin Wilson would concur.

Well, if he is asked to comment and refuses to do so, that would be pretty damned telling now, wouldn't it?

236 RedDish  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 5:49:42pm

Hmmm. Found this at 'World News and Features' website under "About Us"


"It only provides the material to non-competing clients. Under its unique system, each PREMIER CLIENT can brand the material as "From Our Own Correspondent" or "From ABC - Special to ..." or some other agreed wording.

A PREMIER CLIENT can also commission the writing, filming or broadcast of specific stories relevant to that clients region, city or specialised interest.

[Link: www.worldnf.tv...]

I think cnn might be Client Number 1

237 OldLineTexan  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 5:49:49pm

Heed the Chinese curse
These are interesting times
Hamas and Blago

238 Outrider  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 5:49:57pm

re: #223 albusteve

maximum hubris there amigo....everybody wants a piece of the pie...nobody gives a shit about the palis except the Israelis...there's some irony for ya

I consider the choice of your word hubris particularly relevant because at some point in time actions like these will boomerang back on them with humiliating results for them.

239 jaunte  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 5:50:09pm

re: #229 So?

Gilbert is a willing volunteer:

240 CIA Reject  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 5:50:24pm

re: #204 CapeCoddah

We need Lizard prayers for some Boston Firefighters.
[Link: www.bostonherald.com...]


May G*d rest and protect them

"Dear God, through the intercession of our patron, Saint Florian, have mercy on the souls of our comrades who have made the supreme sacrifice in the performance of their duty..."

--Prayer of St. Florian

241 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 5:50:55pm
242 Dr. Shalit  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 5:50:55pm

re: #233 zombie

I don't think so. He is rabidly pro-Hamas. He may have in fact scripted the scene himself. It's just that he's a bad actor.

zombie -

It's just that he's a bad actor Doctor. There fixed that for all 'y'all.

-S-

243 EE  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 5:50:59pm

Are they fools or are they liars, at CNN, when they mislead the public and cannot see the obvious?

"Note also that CNN has no response to the fact that Ashraf Mashharawi owns a business that operates websites for Hamas."

If they are just hiding this fact, and don't want any public attention to it, and won't even comment on it for fear of attracting attention to it, then they have guilty knowledge and guilty actions. This shows that they are LIARS. They may or may not be fools also; but this coverup shows that they are LIARS.

244 VegasRick  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 5:51:07pm

re: #240 CIA Reject

May G*d rest and protect them

"Dear God, through the intercession of our patron, Saint Florian, have mercy on the souls of our comrades who have made the supreme sacrifice in the performance of their duty..."

--Prayer of St. Florian

Amen.

245 morning star  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 5:51:37pm

Again, have you noticed the small holes in the roof which supposedly come from a missile (according to Channel 4)?

246 deacon  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 5:51:55pm

And if someone is wondering what real CPR looks like, it is not unheard of for ribs to be broken. That is how hard CPR is given, granted, as a child, their ribs are more elastic and might not break, but what was being done in the video is nowhere near what it would take.

247 Mardukhai  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 5:52:00pm

re: #222 Wishing

Paging Dr. Gupta, Dr. Gilbert, Dr. Gupta!

Paging Dr. Gupta, Dr. Gilbert, Dr. Gupta!

(With apologies to Dr. Howard, Dr. Fine, and Dr. Howard.)

248 Dr. Shalit  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 5:52:06pm

re: #243 EE

Are they fools or are they liars, at CNN, when they mislead the public and cannot see the obvious?

"Note also that CNN has no response to the fact that Ashraf Mashharawi owns a business that operates websites for Hamas."

If they are just hiding this fact, and don't want any public attention to it, and won't even comment on it for fear of attracting attention to it, then they have guilty knowledge and guilty actions. This shows that they are LIARS. They may or may not be fools also; but this coverup shows that they are LIARS.

"EE"

AND? That is all.

-S-

249 quarkie  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 5:52:18pm

Update to the article Charles:

"Martin said accusations that Mashharawi owns a company that hosts Hamas Web sites were falsely based on Mashharawi having worked at a company that created the PS suffix to allow anyone of any political persuasion to create Palestinian Web sites."

250 FrogMarch  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 5:52:35pm

The video genuinely fits CNN's agenda.

251 pat  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 5:52:46pm

The pool on the sheet should be a bit larger than the pool on the plastic cover. Capillary action.

252 hous bin pharteen  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 5:53:02pm

re: #200 Charles

Charles and Zombie, I spent several months in a comma when they thought I was going to be a vegetable, 6 months in the hospital learning to talk and walk again, and about three months going to rehab, (I am still going through it). And yet, I am STILL not stupid enough to believe this bullshit, or how rotten the Main Stream Mora's have gotten.

253 Steve  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 5:53:05pm

re: #204 CapeCoddah

We need Lizard prayers for some Boston Firefighters.
[Link: www.bostonherald.com...]

It is sad to lose a man who puts his life on the line for others.
I constantly worry about my brother the fireman.

254 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 5:53:27pm

re: #188 zombie

I'm trying to decipher the dialogue when he points to the monitor......

Fat Man: He died?
Marxist Norwegian: Yeah, look at the uh.......
Fat man: Red line.
Marxist Norwegian: Extreme (something something)
255 So?  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 5:54:16pm

re: #233 zombie

I don't think so. He is rabidly pro-Hamas. He may have in fact scripted the scene himself. It's just that he's a bad actor.

/doesn't he know there's an Academy Award at stake...

You're probably right, but his unenthusiastic demeanor makes it all seem pretty hokey to me.

256 Charles  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 5:54:18pm

I updated the post to include all three versions of the video report - you'll have to reload to see them.

257 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 5:54:26pm

re: #245 morning star

I'm starting to suspect if was a small mortar.

258 Outrider  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 5:54:45pm

re: #249 quarkie

Update to the article Charles:

"Martin said accusations that Mashharawi owns a company that hosts Hamas Web sites were falsely based on Mashharawi having worked at a company that created the PS suffix to allow anyone of any political persuasion to create Palestinian Web sites."

I can envision the rush of Buddhists and Zionists flocking to their office to get some great web sites created. Heh Or even Fatah members.
/

259 Steve  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 5:54:49pm

re: #252 hous bin pharteen

Charles and Zombie, I spent several months in a comma when they thought I was going to be a vegetable, 6 months in the hospital learning to talk and walk again, and about three months going to rehab, (I am still going through it). And yet, I am STILL not stupid enough to believe this bullshit, or how rotten the Main Stream Mora's have gotten.

Welcome back and I pray that you will make a full recovery.

260 Promethea  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 5:55:16pm

re: #179 Iron Fist

Yeah, and I'm hard pressed to wonder why they are losing the propaganda wars. They are fighting an enemy that treats a murderer who smashed a child's head with a rifle butt as a motherfuckin' hero. And the fucking Press just goes along twiddling their thumbs chanting "Diversity!"

We face an enemy like no other enemy in history. They excel in inhuman brutality, and the fucking Media still wants to piss and moan about panties on their head at Abu Grabass.

It drives me fucking nuts. Granted, it was a short drive, but still...

This is what is so weird. The entire MSM goes out of its way to minimize the problem of Islamic terrorists and murderers. Do they honestly think that if they "wish" hard enough, the problem will go away?

Today's Chicago Tribune, for example, had an article on the "plight" of the poor Islamic women in the U.S. who wear hijabs. "Everyone" is looking at them. One of the women was the daughter of Sami Amir(?) the recently convicted terrorist in Florida. I am supposed to feel sorry for this woman?

The Tribune is nuts, and soon they won't have any readers at all, except for those who support terrorists. Is that a good business strategy?

261 quarkie  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 5:55:38pm

re: #256 Charles

They seem to be updating the article as your update the critique.
Someone has a fan at CNN Charles... check your IP logs :)

262 So?  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 5:55:44pm

re: #239 jaunte

Gilbert is a willing volunteer:

[Video]

I didn't know he was so famous. Now I definitely agree with Zombie that he is not only a bad actor, but an a-hole as well.

263 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 5:55:56pm

re: #257 Killgore Trout

I'm starting to suspect if was a small mortar.

Blast radius on even a 60mm would have killed the kid instantly in that small distance.

264 Gozer the Carpathian  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 5:56:22pm

I know I'm just repeating what others have said but my Fire Chief agrees that that "doctor" performing "CPR" was complete BS! I've seen more "realistic" CPR on ER and Emergency! :D

How any sane person can claim this is "real" without even addressing the points we've brought up is completely baffiling. Though this IS CNN that we're talking about.

265 Wishing  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 5:56:58pm

re: #236 RedDish

Hmmm. Found this at 'World News and Features' website under "About Us"


"It only provides the material to non-competing clients. Under its unique system, each PREMIER CLIENT can brand the material as "From Our Own Correspondent" or "From ABC - Special to ..." or some other agreed wording.

A PREMIER CLIENT can also commission the writing, filming or broadcast of specific stories relevant to that clients region, city or specialised interest.

[Link: www.worldnf.tv...]

I think cnn might be Client Number 1

good work!

266 hous bin pharteen  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 5:57:01pm

Main Street Morons.
Sorry, the spelling still sucks, but LGF helps my spelling and typing.
Be patient please.

267 freedomplow  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 5:57:06pm

On Jan 4th NBC news also ran this footage. Relevant starts at 1:40.

Video here.

On Jan 3rd NBC put up a web only video with a small explosion on a roof top. Relevant starts at :25

Video here.

Are they filmed by the same person? Don't know. Are they connected? Don't know that either.

I do know that in the second video when they say that an Israeli missile hit the rooftop it doesn't look like it. It looks like a small explosion on the roof, maybe a hand grenade.

268 jaunte  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 5:57:25pm

re: #262 So?

Note at the end of the report that he relays casualty reports without question that they are all the fault of the Israelis, and reports that they are using some unknown new superweapons.

269 Mardukhai  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 5:57:44pm

re: #254 Killgore Trout

I'm trying to decipher the dialogue when he points to the monitor......

Fat Man: Maybe he needs an Israeli doctor.
Mad Mads: Maybe...
Fat Man: They go to Medical school
Mad Mads: I forgot my line...

270 razorbacker  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 5:58:04pm

re: #199 razorbacker

I would expect, however, a lot more bleeding from a severe head wound, and goodness knows that shrapnel wounds all over the body would seem to have bled more, and that a missing foot should bleed, too.

My bad. It appears from rereading the article that it was the other boy who lost his foot, a cousin named Ahmed.

271 Geepers  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 5:58:10pm

Killgore Trout (#254),Last Mohican posted this in the earlier thread:

Charles, thanks for reposting the CNN video. It's obviously a much better version than the one that was posted on YouTube, and this time I managed to screen-grab a high-quality version, to go along with the one I got from Channel 4's version.

This was the first time I got good enough audio quality to notice the snippet of audio in which Dr. Gilbert and the infamous chest tickler speak with one another, in English. The tickler asks, with an Arabic accent, "he died?" Gilbert nods, and says, "yeah." Somebody off-camera says, also with an Arabic accent, "look at the [something -- maybe 'line']." Gilbert turns to the monitor screen behind him and points to one of the tracings on it. The tickler says "flatline." And then Gilbert says "extreme bradycardia."

272 formercorpsman  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 5:58:26pm

Interesting link.
[Link: counteract.tv...]

Check out director and narrator titles.

273 Outrider  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 5:58:58pm

re: #260 Promethea

This is what is so weird. The entire MSM goes out of its way to minimize the problem of Islamic terrorists and murderers. Do they honestly think that if they "wish" hard enough, the problem will go away?

Today's Chicago Tribune, for example, had an article on the "plight" of the poor Islamic women in the U.S. who wear hijabs. "Everyone" is looking at them. One of the women was the daughter of Sami Amir(?) the recently convicted terrorist in Florida. I am supposed to feel sorry for this woman?

The Tribune is nuts, and soon they won't have any readers at all, except for those who support terrorists. Is that a good business strategy?

I am one of those looking at them. We have quite a few here in Savannah wearing these bags and they are converts not immigrants. These are women that grew up in the USA so why would they voluntarily wear a burka or even a hijab? And these bags are always black.

274 hous bin pharteen  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 5:59:27pm

re: #259 Steve

Thanks Steve.
I am just thankfull it was me, and not a mother taking her kids to school.

275 pat  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 5:59:31pm

re: #263 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

Blast radius on even a 60mm would have killed the kid instantly in that small distance.

OK. I was not going to go into that. The footage was incomplete. However now that you brought it up, I suspect the same thing. That sure wasn't a Hellfire. That would level the interior of the entire house. Why have a drone if it can do only as much damage as a grenade..........speaking of which.

276 RedDish  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 5:59:43pm

re: #270 razorbacker

I made that assumption too

277 angrymimi  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 6:00:16pm

re: #247 Mardukhai

Paging Dr. Gupta, Dr. Gilbert, Dr. Gupta!

Paging Dr. Gupta, Dr. Gilbert, Dr. Gupta!

(With apologies to Dr. Howard, Dr. Fine, and Dr. Howard.)

Hat tip!

278 Wishing  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 6:00:40pm

re: #254 Killgore Trout

I'm trying to decipher the dialogue when he points to the monitor......

i think it is braycardia? read that elsewhere,
*extreme bradycardia* If he was bradycardic he still had some contraction of heart muscle.

279 gclaghorn  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 6:01:02pm

I'm coming in to this whole situation with CNN late, but I see that CNN's newest slogan ("no bias; no bull") isn't working out so well for them.

280 CapeCoddah  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 6:01:42pm

re: #253 Steve

It is sad to lose a man who puts his life on the line for others.
I constantly worry about my brother the fireman.

My granddad was a firefighter, lost in the line of duty.

281 Dr. Shalit  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 6:01:58pm

re: #249 quarkie

Update to the article Charles:

"Martin said accusations that Mashharawi owns a company that hosts Hamas Web sites were falsely based on Mashharawi having worked at a company that created the PS suffix to allow anyone of any political persuasion to create Palestinian Web sites."

quarkie -

HAD the "Palestinians" kept their "bargain" - I would have probably had a "PS" website myself. The world, HomeBoy included, wanted the best in 1993/4, that we would have "The Peace of a Heroes" as described by PM Itzhak Rabin of sainted memory. Obviously, that DID NOT happen. Everything follows logically more or less from that point.

-S-

282 VegasRick  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 6:02:01pm

re: #270 razorbacker

My bad. It appears from rereading the article that it was the other boy who lost his foot, a cousin named Ahmed.

For some odd reason your post made me laugh.

283 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 6:02:10pm

re: #275 pat

OK. I was not going to go into that. The footage was incomplete. However now that you brought it up, I suspect the same thing. That sure wasn't a Hellfire. That would level the interior of the entire house. Why have a drone if it can do only as much damage as a grenade..........speaking of which.

I agree.

284 ArmyWife  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 6:03:13pm

re: #266 hous bin pharteen

Are kidding me? You have nothing to worry about here, brother. Some of us spell equally, if not more, creatively with absolutely zero justification, so we have your back and then some!

285 WayDownSouthInBama  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 6:03:16pm

re: #264 Gozer the Carpathian

Sanity isn't important when your intention is to lie and deceive. CNN isn't concerned with truth as much as it is agenda. It's agenda is to convince it's audience that the Jews are the terrorists and the real terrorists are the innocent victims of unjust attacks. It's been their agenda for years. I see no reason for them to threaten exposure of their lies by an honest examination of the facts.

286 angrymimi  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 6:03:51pm

re: #273 Outrider

I am one of those looking at them. We have quite a few here in Savannah wearing these bags and they are converts not immigrants. These are women that grew up in the USA so why would they voluntarily wear a burka or even a hijab? And these bags are always black.

I too am looking and won't stop and am not shy about it either. I'm really tired of all of it, as if somehow I magically became satan because they believe it to be so. Screw them

287 kcladderman  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 6:03:57pm

re: #204 CapeCoddah

We need Lizard prayers for some Boston Firefighters.
[Link: www.bostonherald.com...]

Damn

288 unclassifiable  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 6:04:56pm

Well CNN will try the silly approach first and then they will use the fact that this was NOT a CNN report to give themselves plausible deniability, and then, many years from now on some late, late, late night oh so intense liberal talk show, the mask will slip long after reason and honesty have all been put to bed.

289 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 6:05:28pm

re: #271 Geepers

Thanks.
Bradycardia

290 CynicalConservative  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 6:06:14pm

Seems our resident MSM defender is strangely absent...

Just sayin...

291 quarkie  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 6:06:21pm

re: #281 Dr. Shalit

Sorry I don't understand. Just pointing out that the article is addressing Charles' concern - I didn't defend their reasoning at all....

292 WhiteRasta  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 6:06:59pm

Mads Gilbert? What a perfect name.

293 Sharmuta  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 6:07:00pm

On 1/06/2009 I said:

Modern liberal motto: Evil is the victim of Good.

Remember that in the days and weeks ahead, for the modern liberals will do everything in their power to make sure Evil has allies while Good is punished.

As if on cue, here's cnn standing behind the work of a known hamas associate.

Disgusting.

294 Wishing  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 6:07:47pm

re: #267 freedomplow

On Jan 4th NBC news also ran this footage. Relevant starts at 1:40.

Video here.

On Jan 3rd NBC put up a web only video with a small explosion on a roof top. Relevant starts at :25

Video here.

Are they filmed by the same person? Don't know. Are they connected? Don't know that either.

I do know that in the second video when they say that an Israeli missile hit the rooftop it doesn't look like it. It looks like a small explosion on the roof, maybe a hand grenade.

1st video REALLY shows the inept CPR.

295 CIA Reject  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 6:07:53pm

re: #292 WhiteRasta

Mads Gilbert? What a perfect name.

Sounds like a character from a 1950's science fiction movie...

296 ArmyWife  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 6:07:54pm

Comments from hotair:

Dan Rathers taught the CNN people well…

One thing remains true; if Charles Johnson reports on a fabricated story, it turns out to be a fabricated story. The LGF icon has made his claim on this story, therefore it is as stated!

Phony bastards…

Keemo on January 9, 2009 at 8:24 PM

and


Maybe Martin can explain how a missile hits a roof and kills two boys but does no more damage to the roof than what a pickaxe could do in five minutes — and how the furniture didn’t get disturbed.

Looks like a job for … Zombie!

aunursa on January 9, 2009 at 8:25 PM

The link goes to Zombie's ambulance expose.

297 Gozer the Carpathian  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 6:08:08pm

re: #285 WayDownSouthInBama

Sanity isn't important when your intention is to lie and deceive. CNN isn't concerned with truth as much as it is agenda. It's agenda is to convince it's audience that the Jews are the terrorists and the real terrorists are the innocent victims of unjust attacks. It's been their agenda for years. I see no reason for them to threaten exposure of their lies by an honest examination of the facts.

Very true. Though it is heartening to know the Lizards here have held the Media's feet to the fire about this stuff before, and will continue to do so for as long as it takes.

298 jwb7605  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 6:09:32pm

re: #241 taxfreekiller

Of some note, once upon a time, Lt. for life John F. Kerry filmed himself in fake combat in a war zone.

This same CNN bunch has sworn it was true, that Lt. Kerry was not a liar, a fake and a fraud now for 40 years. In fact every thing about John F. Kerry is a lie, a fake and fraud. Its a heavy load of lies they now attempt to keep afloat.

If they do not stay with all the lies, every last one of them, the whole house of liar cards falls down on these ghoul frauds heads.

re: #243 EE

Are they fools or are they liars, at CNN, when they mislead the public and cannot see the obvious?

"Note also that CNN has no response to the fact that Ashraf Mashharawi owns a business that operates websites for Hamas."

If they are just hiding this fact, and don't want any public attention to it, and won't even comment on it for fear of attracting attention to it, then they have guilty knowledge and guilty actions. This shows that they are LIARS. They may or may not be fools also; but this coverup shows that they are LIARS.

I don't think it makes any difference.
35 years ago, it was proven that Kerry's buddy (VVAW co-leader) wasn't who he claimed to be (combat veteran).
4 years ago, SBVFT brought that up, along with the "Christmas in Cambodia" farce that was seared, seared into Kerry's mind, as he plainly stated on the Senate floor. SBVFT was basically "discredited" if you recall, but I don't personally remember what discredited us.

The voters of the nation basically let that slide and the voters of Massachusets re-elected him, and the "other senator" has Chappaquiddick (sp?) fame.

The above is but a small example of what the press does.
Why should CNN even get nervous? The Rathergate incident has been, as far as I know, the only thing that even came close to sticking. "Fake but true" is an insult to us, but genuinely funny, and in the minds of 52% of voters, just true.
This incident is not affecting a presidential election, and I suspect CNN is not the least bit worried.

/now if you don't mind, let's get on to global warming.
// rant off. thank you for your attention.

299 Sarge1984  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 6:09:34pm

With the child being so terribly wounded, has anybody pointed out the lack of blood on the "doctors'" gloves yet? I skimmed the comment and didn't read in depth.

300 Dr. Shalit  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 6:10:08pm

re: #291 quarkie

Sorry I don't understand. Just pointing out that the article is addressing Charles' concern - I didn't defend their reasoning at all....

quarkie -

Consider it to be "Venting" on my part. Per ABBA EBAN - the Poor Bastards - "Never miss an Opportunity to Miss an Opportunity" - By the way - same goes for the CUBAN leadership - a story for another day.

-S-

301 Gozer the Carpathian  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 6:11:26pm

re: #299 Sarge1984

With the child being so terribly wounded, has anybody pointed out the lack of blood on the "doctors'" gloves yet? I skimmed the comment and didn't read in depth.

I've seen the "lack of blood" mentioned a few times, though I didn't notice the gloves being mentioned yet. Good point though, for doctors who should be checking the "injuries" they sure didn't touch anything.

302 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 6:12:04pm

re: #298 jwb7605

Bravo, sir!

Thank you and all the SBVFT.

303 Dr. Shalit  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 6:13:35pm

re: #301 Gozer the Carpathian

I've seen the "lack of blood" mentioned a few times, though I didn't notice the gloves being mentioned yet. Good point though, for doctors who should be checking the "injuries" they sure didn't touch anything.

Carpathian -

Are they afraid of "COOTIES?" Inquiring minds would LOVE to know.

-S-

304 JacksonTn  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 6:13:39pm

How long after he is in office will Obama negotiate with Hamas ...I don't feel good about it ...

305 hazzyday  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 6:13:48pm

CNN has lost objectivity. Their analysis of this is dependent on subjective issues. If they want their news to be objective they need to produce some facts here to reply to the questions put for to them.

306 Wishing  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 6:13:51pm

Charles vs. CNN
Regular Davey and da big guy story!

307 WayDownSouthInBama  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 6:13:54pm

re: #297 Gozer the Carpathian

Very true. Though it is heartening to know the Lizards here have held the Media's feet to the fire about this stuff before, and will continue to do so for as long as it takes.

Yes it is. And given the insanity of the past few months,it's going to take a long,long time.

308 Sarge1984  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 6:14:01pm

re: #301 Gozer the Carpathian

It's probably a moot point, seeing as how there's virtually no blood on the child or the bed. All I noticed was a relatively small spot on the bedding and about a 1 1/2" wound on the left shin.

309 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 6:14:13pm

re: #304 JacksonTn

How long after he is in office will Obama negotiate with Hamas ...I don't feel good about it ...

Probably already is...

310 yamster  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 6:15:46pm

appropriate...fits the bill for CNN as well....
[Link: www.ibdeditorials.com...]

311 formercorpsman  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 6:16:05pm

Another interesting tidbit.

Paul Martin seems to have some proximity to Peter Arnett.

Baby milk factory.

312 iam7545  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 6:16:18pm

To a hammer everything is a nail

(Old Russian saying)

313 Wilderstad  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 6:16:50pm

I just watched all three videos.
They all state the same basic "story", but for a couple things:
a) the continuity and timing of events is not congruent. In the first the child "may already be dead" the others, he is already dead and his family is saying goodbye. I note how all the participants block a clear view of the "body".
b) the initial report says the child died from gunfire, then all of sudden rockets are involved.
c) I'm no doctor but that fat dude playing one was doing pretty rapid compressions to my eye, from what I remember from my CPR training, and as others have pointed out, what's the point in moving around de-oxygenated blood. Where is the Artificial Respiration?

CNN, this video is an obvious fake. I call B.S. on your obvious lies and propaganda. Get stuffed.

314 Render  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 6:16:54pm

re: #257 Killgore Trout

I have seen older British 51mm mortars being used by HAMAS (in one of the double-shot videos), but even those would have caused a great deal more blast damage then what we saw.

THINK
SMALLER,
R

315 vxbush  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 6:17:13pm

re: #308 Sarge1984

It's probably a moot point, seeing as how there's virtually no blood on the child or the bed. All I noticed was a relatively small spot on the bedding and about a 1 1/2" wound on the left shin.

Coming in late to the fray (crazy week at work), but what I noticed was exactly what you pointed out: the small amount of blood on the bedding. And frankly, there wasn't much blood at the scene where the children were supposedly playing.

Was the small "crater" (and I use that word without desire) supposed to be where this bomb caused the injury to the boy? Because to me, it just looks like someone took an axe to the roof.

316 formercorpsman  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 6:17:30pm

Killgore, I think you might have mentioned this headline earlier.

The question being up int the air about when and where he died.

This headline says he found him dead.

[Link: edition.cnn.com...]

317 Dr. Shalit  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 6:17:36pm

re: #309 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

Probably already is...

re: #309 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

Probably already is...

"Vet - MP" -

Think you are RIGHT - otherwise, WHY would "THE HE" be silent in this matter?
"THE HE" seems to be loquacious about everything else.

-S-

318 jwb7605  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 6:17:53pm

re: #302 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

Bravo, sir!

Thank you and all the SBVFT.

I've still got all my parts, so my guess is that you probably deserve more thanks.
But that was gracious of you, and I am humbled.

319 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 6:17:59pm

re: #314 Render

I have seen older British 51mm mortars being used by HAMAS (in one of the double-shot videos), but even those would have caused a great deal more blast damage then what we saw.

THINK
SMALLER,
R

20mm AA round?

320 Wishing  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 6:18:07pm

re: #314 Render

I have seen older British 51mm mortars being used by HAMAS (in one of the double-shot videos), but even those would have caused a great deal more blast damage then what we saw.

THINK
SMALLER,
R

In the corner where there is *blood spattered* do those look like rifle rounds hit that wall to anyone?

321 Spiny Norman  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 6:18:36pm

re: #233 zombie

I don't think so. He is rabidly pro-Hamas. He may have in fact scripted the scene himself. It's just that he's a bad actor.

Highly likely, IMHO.

322 vxbush  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 6:18:38pm

re: #319 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

20mm AA round?

Or a gun shot to the roof?

323 VegasRick  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 6:18:41pm

re: #312 iam7545

To a hammer everything is a nail

(Old Russian saying)

To a screwdiver everything should get screwed.

324 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 6:18:58pm
325 Sharmuta  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 6:20:02pm

re: #82 Killgore Trout

The Ch4 segment also clearly states that they drove from the hospital to the cemetery. In the CNN piece they drive him home first. Which is it?

And I'm curious if burial plots are available on demand in gaza.

326 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 6:20:06pm

re: #318 jwb7605

I've still got all my parts, so my guess is that you probably deserve more thanks.
But that was gracious of you, and I am humbled.

Nope, bringing down that lying sack of crap was more valuable to the nation. I met some "PX Rangers" in my time, never saw one get as far as Kerry, most were outed as losers real fast.

327 rightwinger3  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 6:20:19pm

re: #316 formercorpsman

Killgore, I think you might have mentioned this headline earlier.

The question being up int the air about when and where he died.

This headline says he found him dead.

[Link: edition.cnn.com...]

In the NBC video the brother isn't even a cameraman. He's just a producer.

328 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 6:21:08pm

re: #322 vxbush

Or a gun shot to the roof?

I have 7.62.. do I hear 5mm... 7.62 going once... twice...

329 Sarge1984  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 6:21:19pm

re: #315 vxbush

The crater I noticed looked like it punched through the roof, too, like a shaped charge might make. I'm not sure what to make of that itself, but the whole thing just stinks. It just doesn't seem right to me. I'm not a combat vet; I haven't seen the aftermath of missile fire vs. humans on a rooftop, but that just doesn't look right to me.

330 Racer X  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 6:22:04pm

It is a tragedy that people are dying in this current conflict. The fact that Hamas continues to put innocent people in harm's way and use them for propaganda is a crime against humanity.

331 MOik  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 6:22:06pm

Since the Israeli's won't let a biased CNN into Gaza perhaps CNN has decided to run whatever they can get. I'm sure CNN and other outlets' noses are out of joint because of the ban.
A sort of 'up yours' to the Israelis.

332 Dar ul Harb  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 6:22:06pm

re: #273 Outrider

I am one of those looking at them. We have quite a few here in Savannah wearing these bags and they are converts not immigrants. These are women that grew up in the USA so why would they voluntarily wear a burka or even a hijab? And these bags are always black.

A fetish, probably.

333 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 6:22:19pm

re: #329 Sarge1984

The crater I noticed looked like it punched through the roof, too, like a shaped charge might make. I'm not sure what to make of that itself, but the whole thing just stinks. It just doesn't seem right to me. I'm not a combat vet; I haven't seen the aftermath of missile fire vs. humans on a rooftop, but that just doesn't look right to me.

Probably one of their own damn Estes Rockets. Bastards.

334 jwb7605  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 6:22:26pm

re: #326 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

Nope, bringing down that lying sack of crap was more valuable to the nation. I met some "PX Rangers" in my time, never saw one get as far as Kerry, most were outed as losers real fast.

True that.
With respect to the "discredited" part, I'd like to amend the statement by adding that if anything discredits SBVFT it can currently be summed up in two words: Jerome Corsi.

The man is embarrassing.

335 Jimmah  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 6:23:26pm
Responding to accusations that the resuscitation efforts of Mashharawi’s brother appeared inauthentic, Martin said that, based on his years of reporting from Gaza, doctors often go through such efforts even with little hope that a patient can be saved.

This looks like a disingenuous response. It insinuates that the objection being made is that efforts to rescuscitate such a patient through cpr would not be made. But that is not the objection at all. The objection is that the cpr procedures in the video appear fake. This, the real objection, was not answered at all in CNN's response. Nice dodge.

336 Dustyvet  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 6:23:35pm

Something that nags at my heart, is considering Hamas Propaganda. Is how many of these photographs, and video's of dead children that Hamas has claimed where killed by the IDF. Is how many of these children where in fact murdered by Hamas, I wonder just what an autopsy and forensics would really show,

337 Sarge1984  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 6:24:25pm

re: #333 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

Considering the current circumstances and lack of value for human life on Hamas' and the rest of their ilk's part, that makes more sense to me.

338 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 6:24:40pm

re: #336 Dustyvet

Winnah, winnah, chicken dinner!

339 Dustyvet  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 6:24:56pm

re: #326 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

Nope, bringing down that lying sack of crap was more valuable to the nation. I met some "PX Rangers" in my time, never saw one get as far as Kerry, most were outed as losers real fast.

Yup...in a heart beep LT.

340 Sarge1984  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 6:25:20pm

re: #336 Dustyvet

GMTA?

341 Truck Monkey  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 6:25:29pm

re: #331 MOik

Since the Israeli's won't let a biased CNN into Gaza perhaps CNN has decided to run whatever they can get. I'm sure CNN and other outlets' noses are out of joint because of the ban.
A sort of 'up yours' to the Israelis.

I am sure CNN would not do that.
*snark*

342 ArmyWife  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 6:25:33pm

I think we just need to dial down our criticsm here. Or so says Andrea Mitchell of NBC.

/need we continue to expect anything but propaganda after this crap?

343 unclassifiable  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 6:25:38pm

re: #336 Dustyvet

Something that nags at my heart, is considering Hamas Propaganda. Is how many of these photographs, and video's of dead children that Hamas has claimed where killed by the IDF. Is how many of these children where in fact murdered by Hamas, I wonder just what an autopsy and forensics would really show,

They are all Hamas' fault! If they stopped shooting the rockets into Israel right now all of this would stop.

344 vxbush  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 6:25:41pm

re: #329 Sarge1984

The crater I noticed looked like it punched through the roof, too, like a shaped charge might make. I'm not sure what to make of that itself, but the whole thing just stinks. It just doesn't seem right to me. I'm not a combat vet; I haven't seen the aftermath of missile fire vs. humans on a rooftop, but that just doesn't look right to me.

I only got a chance to view the CCN video footage, but they kept showing the roof off like it was a huge demolition scene. Me? I just thought it looked like some folks were shooting bullets into the air and some landed there. I know nothing about nothing about explosives, but I've scene bomb explosion scenes and read through Zombie's narrative on the "bombed" ambulance. That has taught me enough about staging scenes to make me very wary of this video.

Finding out that different venues are giving the facts differently might not be surprising the first day this came out, but this is day two. Most organizations would have gotten the stories straightened out by now. That rankles, but it's not conclusive.

Hearing that medical professionals are calling out the doctors as doing fake CPR is proof. End of story.

345 Wishing  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 6:26:35pm

re: #336 Dustyvet

Something that nags at my heart, is considering Hamas Propaganda. Is how many of these photographs, and video's of dead children that Hamas has claimed where killed by the IDF. Is how many of these children where in fact murdered by Hamas, I wonder just what an autopsy and forensics would really show,

It sure would be interesting to get some REAL forensics ppl in there!

346 KipAllen  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 6:26:42pm

I guess CNN is using the Dan Rather Defense -- "Fake but accurate."

347 Spare O'Lake  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 6:27:49pm

Honco Akhbar!

348 ted  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 6:28:16pm

re: #342 ArmyWife

I think we just need to dial down our criticsm here. Or so says Andrea Mitchell of NBC.

/need we continue to expect anything but propaganda after this crap?

Mitchell is the biggest freaking moron there is.

349 jwb7605  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 6:28:34pm

re: #342 ArmyWife

I think we just need to dial down our criticsm here. Or so says Andrea Mitchell of NBC.

/need we continue to expect anything but propaganda after this crap?

Andrea Mitchell needs to go home, tell Alan Greenspan to take a viagra, and then open her mouth.

Heck with it. 60 second rule (second time), and I'm going to hit the post button.

350 Wishing  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 6:28:37pm

re: #344 vxbush

I only got a chance to view the CCN video footage, but they kept showing the roof off like it was a huge demolition scene. Me? I just thought it looked like some folks were shooting bullets into the air and some landed there. I know nothing about nothing about explosives, but I've scene bomb explosion scenes and read through Zombie's narrative on the "bombed" ambulance. That has taught me enough about staging scenes to make me very wary of this video.

Finding out that different venues are giving the facts differently might not be surprising the first day this came out, but this is day two. Most organizations would have gotten the stories straightened out by now. That rankles, but it's not conclusive.

Hearing that medical professionals are calling out the doctors as doing fake CPR is proof. End of story.

Do you think you could locate that link to the CCN footage?

351 Dustyvet  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 6:28:44pm

re: #343 unclassifiable

They are all Hamas' fault! If they stopped shooting the rockets into Israel right now all of this would stop.

I'm talking about the murder of children by Hamas for Propaganda.

352 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 6:29:37pm

re: #339 Dustyvet

Yup...in a heart beep LT.

Heh... I went through RIP with an E-5. Nice enough guy. He had one problem... not Jump or Ranger qualified.

The battalion was so short of NCOs, the instructors "arranged" to fake his way through RIP, get him 5 jumps, and post him to battalion with a fresh pair of wings and a tab.

The poor bastard actually made four of the jumps before he put himself in the hospital. Lots of heads rolled after that one. Never saw the guy again, dunno what happened to the instructors (I was an E-2 at the time).

353 vxbush  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 6:29:41pm

re: #350 Wishing

Do you think you could locate that link to the CCN footage?

GAH! PIMF. CNN video. Sorry. Like I said, it's been a bad week. I can't type worth anything today.

354 unclassifiable  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 6:29:57pm

There is one angle I forgot...

... redefinition of "genuine" coming in 10, 9, 8, 7, ...

355 DisturbedEma  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 6:30:04pm

re: #290 CynicalConservative

Seems our resident MSM defender is strangely absent...

Just sayin...


PULEEEEEZE I am pissed off enough as it is without the Cogmonaut. . .

356 Truck Monkey  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 6:30:18pm

re: #273 Outrider

I am one of those looking at them. We have quite a few here in Savannah wearing these bags and they are converts not immigrants. These are women that grew up in the USA so why would they voluntarily wear a burka or even a hijab? And these bags are always black.

re: #349 jwb7605

Andrea Mitchell needs to go home, tell Alan Greenspan to take a viagra, and then open her mouth.

Heck with it. 60 second rule (second time), and I'm going to hit the post button.

I just threw up in my mouth a little.

357 Render  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 6:30:42pm

re: #319 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

20mm might be too small. I've got dewat (not live) 20mm round sitting on my desk, the warhead fits comfortably in the palm of my hand, with room to spare.

All of the HAMAS AA guns I've seen so far are Russian 23mm or Russian 57mm.

57mm is too big, 20-23mm probably too small. Although it could have been more then one 23mm round.

That's part of why I think it was a 40mm round from a HAMAS M-203.

re: #320 Wishing

See above.

===

I'm not a doctor. I'm not a photo-video-journalist. I look at pictures of weapons and what they do, for a living.

OUTCAST,
R

358 Dustyvet  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 6:30:53pm

re: #352 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

Heh... I went through RIP with an E-5. Nice enough guy. He had one problem... not Jump or Ranger qualified.

The battalion was so short of NCOs, the instructors "arranged" to fake his way through RIP, get him 5 jumps, and post him to battalion with a fresh pair of wings and a tab.

The poor bastard actually made four of the jumps before he put himself in the hospital. Lots of heads rolled after that one. Never saw the guy again, dunno what happened to the instructors (I was an E-2 at the time).

God...

359 Wishing  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 6:30:56pm

re: #353 vxbush

GAH! PIMF. CNN video. Sorry. Like I said, it's been a bad week. I can't type worth anything today.

LOL! and here I thought you had some new outlet you were watching! LOL
I am queen of typos, so dont feel alone!

360 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 6:31:10pm

re: #351 Dustyvet

I'm talking about the murder of children by Hamas for Propaganda.

Now that would be the Zombietime scoop of a lifetime... World cracking, even.

361 unclassifiable  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 6:31:17pm

re: #351 Dustyvet

I'm talking about the murder of children by Hamas for Propaganda.

Well it is certainly within the realm of possibility if their parents were Fatah supporters.

362 vxbush  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 6:31:18pm

re: #355 DisturbedEma

PULEEEEEZE I am pissed off enough as it is without the Cogmonaut. . .

I must admit I'm curious as to what has caused this response. Man, I hate work sometimes; really keeps me away from LGF too much.

/gee, I might have a problem...

363 Arbalest  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 6:31:20pm

Ok, riddle me this CNN:

What sort of explosion could:
- make the crater shown in the video
- inflict shrapnel wounds
yet
- leave debris around the crater, and not in a radial pattern
- crack the large concrete block as shown, yet cause some of the debris to fall across and slightly toward the apparent blast path

and still leave the furniture undisturbed?

Bad scriptwriters and an inept special-effects crew?


Also, why is the family of the “victim” not loudly wailing, as shown in many previous CNN video clips, to be customary and typical, in that culture?


Crap Not agaiN. Busted.

Congratulationd Charles, Last Mohocan, and all who have already caught additional details of this hoax.

364 Dr. Shalit  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 6:31:32pm

re: #334 jwb7605

True that.
With respect to the "discredited" part, I'd like to amend the statement by adding that if anything discredits SBVFT it can currently be summed up in two words: Jerome Corsi.

The man is embarrassing.

jwb7605 -

CORSI is problematical - Pat Buchanan is Embarassing - nevertheless - SBVT knew and communicated The REAL DEAL in 2004 - to their everlasting credit.

-S-

365 ted  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 6:31:37pm

This story has been Fisk'ed brilliantly.

Awaiting Iowahawk's input.

366 Slumbering Behemoth  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 6:31:43pm

My mom, the poor woman, watches a fair amount of PBS programming and sometimes buys the garbage, crap, unmitigated bullshit, and outright lies that they sell as "news". After their latest piece of "Blame Israel" theater (schools, and hospitals, and mosques, oh my!), complete with video sound bites from mad doctor Mads, she had some not very nice things to say about Israel.

Fortunately, however, she is open to logic, reason, and does not dismiss, out of hand, counter-arguments the way a hard core leftist do. I informed her that Mads is a d-bag, explained exactly what makes him a d-bag, and also added Israel is simply responding to terrorist rocket attacks on their civilian population, and that it's not Israel's fault that these terrorists use schools, hospitals, and mosques as launch pads and weapons caches. Oh yeah, and also that these terrorist assholes think nothing of putting their own civilians in harms way just so they can make Israel look like the bad guys when they fight back. She (my mom) was very receptive to this counter-argument.

She's not a bad person, she just "didn't know" about these facts. I'm not sure if she's considered why the MSM outlets don't report these facts.

As a side note, I had no idea who this d-bag Mads was until I learned about him here on LGF. Thanks Charles, keep up the good work.

367 morning star  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 6:31:43pm

A propaganda film edited by Ashraf Mashharawi:

[Link: counteract.tv...]

(Cameraman & Director: Ahmed Mashharawi
Script: Raid Dawoud
Editing: Ashraf Mashharawi
Narrator: Paul Martin
Translation: Ismail Rabah)

368 formercorpsman  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 6:31:45pm

You know, if you go to the website of [Link: www.worldnf.tv...] they claim in a couple of paragraphs down,

It exposed the real casualty figures in Jenin

369 vxbush  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 6:32:20pm

re: #359 Wishing

LOL! and here I thought you had some new outlet you were watching! LOL
I am queen of typos, so dont feel alone!

Whew! Thanks for the grace. I need a bunch today.

370 CynicalConservative  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 6:32:26pm

re: #355 DisturbedEma

PULEEEEEZE I am pissed off enough as it is without the Cogmonaut. . .

Sorry, not trying to stir emotions, just going for a cheap shot at my favorite target.

371 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 6:32:44pm

re: #357 Render

What do they have in the 30mm range? So many calibers, so little time!

372 vxbush  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 6:33:01pm

re: #361 unclassifiable

Well it is certainly within the realm of possibility if their parents were Fatah supporters.

You think so? I know that Hamas and Fatah aren't on friendly terms, but against Israel they become strongly united. I wouldn't want to start any rumors there.

373 albusteve  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 6:33:29pm

re: #319 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

20mm AA round?

right...or a 40mm grenade maybe

374 reine.de.tout  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 6:33:54pm

re: #325 Sharmuta

And I'm curious if burial plots are available on demand in gaza.

Good question -but I would suspect that in a Muslim country where burial must take place within 24 hours of death, that burial plots must be available on short notice.

I notice in these funeral processions, the bodies are wrapped, but not contained in a coffin. Might they "bury" several people in one plot?

375 jaunte  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 6:34:01pm

re: #357 Render

M-203

376 KSK  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 6:34:31pm

Oh my God

Every doctor, every nurse, every ambulance guy will look at this for 5 seconds and tell you that this is a fake.

Unbelievable that they would claim otherwise.

Please DON'T LET THAT STORY GO AWAY!

377 Sharmuta  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 6:34:41pm

re: #366 Slumbering Behemoth

It's things like this video bullshit that can really wake some people up. You should show this story to your mom- maybe it will dawn on her she's being lied to.

378 ted  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 6:34:59pm

"Ok, riddle me this CNN:

What sort of explosion could:
- make the crater shown in the video
- inflict shrapnel wounds
yet
- leave debris around the crater, and not in a radial pattern
- crack the large concrete block as shown, yet cause some of the debris to fall across and slightly toward the apparent blast path

and still leave the furniture undisturbed?

Bad scriptwriters and an inept special-effects crew?"

No........Easy Explanation..........Micheal Moore falling.

379 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 6:35:08pm

re: #373 albusteve

right...or a 40mm grenade maybe

I'm still thinking 40mm (+) is too powerful for the claims...

380 jwb7605  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 6:35:27pm

re: #364 Dr. Shalit

jwb7605 -

CORSI is problematical - Pat Buchanan is Embarassing - nevertheless - SBVT knew and communicated The REAL DEAL in 2004 - to their everlasting credit.

-S-

Corsi is a conspiracy nut.
The problem is that some of his conspiracy theories have a grain of truth.
The problem with that is it's an "all or none" thing. If one screw is obviously loose, the consumer isn't going to buy the product.

381 Dr. Shalit  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 6:35:39pm

re: #371 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

What do they have in the 30mm range? So many calibers, so little time!

"Vet-MP" -

"So Many Calbers, So Little Time" SIR - You are an Intellectual - like it or NOT!

-S-

382 Dustyvet  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 6:35:43pm

re: #360 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

Now that would be the Zombietime scoop of a lifetime... World cracking, even.

A bit of blunt force trama, a bag of plasma and a digital camera...PROPAGANDA for the MSM and the moon bats...

383 swamprat  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 6:35:51pm

Sorry.
Face was never shown.
Wounds were never shown.

If it had been my brother;
"TURN HIS FACE TOWARDS THE CAMERA! SHOW HIS WOUNDS!
I WANT THE WORLD TO SEE WHAT THOSE BASTARDS DID! TURN HIS FACE TO THE CAMERA I SAID!"

I don't believe this. It may be that a child died. Perhaps even the camera mans' brother. Perhaps he died as a direct result of Israels' actions; but the events did not play out as shown. I would buy a re-enactment, but please don't expect me to take this at face value. It is not even a good fake.

384 DisturbedEma  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 6:35:51pm

re: #362 vxbush

I must admit I'm curious as to what has caused this response. Man, I hate work sometimes; really keeps me away from LGF too much.

/gee, I might have a problem...


I am a Jewish Zionist. . .working in moonbat hell. . .I have no tolerance for and every TIME I ask that shithead to provide support for the crap posted. . .and after wasting much time "explaining" what I meant. . .only to have the SAME phrase about the impartial media being misunderstood. . .the Blago threads alone were enough to make me want to throttle. . .


Waste of time, vapid as dear leader. . .

385 vxbush  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 6:36:03pm

re: #378 ted

"Ok, riddle me this CNN:

What sort of explosion could:
- make the crater shown in the video
- inflict shrapnel wounds
yet
- leave debris around the crater, and not in a radial pattern
- crack the large concrete block as shown, yet cause some of the debris to fall across and slightly toward the apparent blast path

and still leave the furniture undisturbed?

Bad scriptwriters and an inept special-effects crew?"

No........Easy Explanation..........Micheal Moore falling.

Oh, man. That's gonna leave a mark. Oh, wait--it already did.

386 Wishing  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 6:36:15pm

re: #367 morning star

A propaganda film edited by Ashraf Mashharawi:

[Link: counteract.tv...]

(Cameraman & Director: Ahmed Mashharawi
Script: Raid Dawoud
Editing: Ashraf Mashharawi
Narrator: Paul Martin
Translation: Ismail Rabah)

From the comments section:
badreia (1 year ago)
Hello Ahmad,
I saw the movie, that is one of the strongest movies that I saw, I ask God to benefit Palestine from your movies in which they are Introduced your movies, I looking forward to see you a famous cameraman

You got your famous cameraman.
Spit.

387 lifeofthemind  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 6:36:36pm

Maybe he was only mostly dead?

388 DisturbedEma  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 6:36:40pm

re: #370 CynicalConservative

Sorry, not trying to stir emotions, just going for a cheap shot at my favorite target.

no worries. . .I could use some steam release

Cooooooog. . .wanna start something. . .wait

////

389 reine.de.tout  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 6:36:41pm

re: #342 ArmyWife

I think we just need to dial down our criticsm here. Or so says Andrea Mitchell of NBC.

/need we continue to expect anything but propaganda after this crap?

Just looked at the story, couldn't finish it -gag reflex kicked in.

390 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 6:37:08pm

re: #381 Dr. Shalit

"Vet-MP" -

"So Many Calbers, So Little Time" SIR - You are an Intellectual - like it or NOT!

-S-

As long as it isn't Ward Churchill or Noam Chomsky style intellectualism, I won't be insulted. :-)

391 Outrider  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 6:37:17pm

re: #289 Killgore Trout

Thanks.
Bradycardia

read that. I was diagnosed with bradycardia in the induction center and was told I have noting to worry about. Almost 40 years later my resting pulse is still under 60.

392 Wishing  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 6:37:20pm

re: #372 vxbush

You think so? I know that Hamas and Fatah aren't on friendly terms, but against Israel they become strongly united. I wouldn't want to start any rumors there.

Actually, Hamas kneecapped about 35 (I think) Fatah guys when this all began.
No tellin how many fell long distances.

393 albusteve  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 6:37:31pm

re: #379 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

I'm still thinking 40mm (+) is too powerful for the claims...

there is only so many types/sizes of ordnance...it had to be something...C4 in a tin can?

394 morning star  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 6:37:34pm

re: #316 formercorpsman

Yes, but headlines are often inaccurate. This doesn't mean a thing.

395 ted  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 6:38:12pm

re: #385 vxbush

Damn right........with massive collateral damage.

396 Arbalest  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 6:38:37pm

re: #378 ted
"No........Easy Explanation..........Micheal Moore falling."

Perhaps, but there would be seismic events and a USGS/NOAA alert. Also, how did they get him on the roof without collapsing the building?

397 vxbush  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 6:38:59pm

re: #384 DisturbedEma

I am a Jewish Zionist. . .working in moonbat hell. . .I have no tolerance for and every TIME I ask that shithead to provide support for the crap posted. . .and after wasting much time "explaining" what I meant. . .only to have the SAME phrase about the impartial media being misunderstood. . .the Blago threads alone were enough to make me want to throttle. . .

Waste of time, vapid as dear leader. . .

Ah. Gotcha. I have rarely agreed with Cognito, but it has happened a time or two. However, I believe in those cases he was not talking about the media.

Sorry to hear about where you work. That's tough. I'm lucky in that half of us at work are sane, and half are moonbats. Luckily, I only know about two serious moonbats at work, and we stay far away from politics.

398 WayDownSouthInBama  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 6:39:13pm

The only thing missing from the video is an anchorwoman reporting from a canoe while two guys walk by showing the water to be less than knee deep. That one brings back memories doesn't it?

399 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 6:39:21pm
According to Internet Haganah’s database of terror website hosts, Mashharawi was general manager of nepras.net when they were listed as the operators of the main Hamas website, and the website of Hamas’ radio station Voice of Al Aqsa.


Is there a way to search Whois for domains currently hosted by nepras?

400 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 6:39:48pm

re: #382 Dustyvet

A bit of blunt force trama, a bag of plasma and a digital camera...PROPAGANDA for the MSM and the moon bats...

That's the after... I want to see Zombie get video of the Before.

In otherwords, Hamas "militant" strong arming a screaming child, giving him/her some butt strokes to the head and body then picking him/her up to carry off to the aforementioned fake hospital scene.

Let's see the MSM laugh that off.

401 Dr. Shalit  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 6:40:04pm

re: #380 jwb7605

Corsi is a conspiracy nut.
The problem is that some of his conspiracy theories have a grain of truth.
The problem with that is it's an "all or none" thing. If one screw is obviously loose, the consumer isn't going to buy the product.

jwb7605 -

SEE - "Windows Vista (Home Premium)" - The OS I am answering you on. There are obviously a couple of screws loose - AND - it still works. Yours from "MOJAVE"

-S-

402 ted  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 6:40:09pm

re: #396 Arbalest

"No........Easy Explanation..........Micheal Moore falling."

Perhaps, but there would be seismic events and a USGS/NOAA alert. Also, how did they get him on the roof without collapsing the building?

Tsunami ?

403 vxbush  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 6:40:11pm

re: #392 Wishing

Actually, Hamas kneecapped about 35 (I think) Fatah guys when this all began.
No tellin how many fell long distances.

Really? Man, I miss so much when I'm gone. Is there a link for that in the linkviewer?

404 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 6:40:29pm

re: #393 albusteve

there is only so many types/sizes of ordnance...it had to be something...C4 in a tin can?

What do they put in the warheads of their rockets? How much?

405 Dustyvet  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 6:40:46pm

"The first casualty of War is Truth"


Hiram W Johnson, staunchly isolationist senator for California, to the US Senate in 1917 (the year of his election to the Senate, where he remained until his death in 1945).

406 DisturbedEma  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 6:41:00pm

re: #397 vxbush

Ah. Gotcha. I have rarely agreed with Cognito, but it has happened a time or two. However, I believe in those cases he was not talking about the media.

Sorry to hear about where you work. That's tough. I'm lucky in that half of us at work are sane, and half are moonbats. Luckily, I only know about two serious moonbats at work, and we stay far away from politics.

Well- I lost my job. . .hence the pissed off. . .

407 Outrider  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 6:41:11pm

re: #336 Dustyvet

Something that nags at my heart, is considering Hamas Propaganda. Is how many of these photographs, and video's of dead children that Hamas has claimed where killed by the IDF. Is how many of these children where in fact murdered by Hamas, I wonder just what an autopsy and forensics would really show,

my question is.... is there really the fatalities? We really have only their claims, No?

408 jwb7605  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 6:41:12pm

re: #378 ted

"Ok, riddle me this CNN:

What sort of explosion could:
- make the crater shown in the video
- inflict shrapnel wounds
yet
- leave debris around the crater, and not in a radial pattern
- crack the large concrete block as shown, yet cause some of the debris to fall across and slightly toward the apparent blast path

and still leave the furniture undisturbed?

Bad scriptwriters and an inept special-effects crew?"

No........Easy Explanation..........Micheal Moore falling.

How about a rocket launcher on the roof, a "work accident" and some quick cleanup?
I do not know anything about that stuff, just musing.

409 Wishing  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 6:41:12pm

re: #403 vxbush

Really? Man, I miss so much when I'm gone. Is there a link for that in the linkviewer?

LOL I am sure there is SOMEWHERE...I will see what I can find for you.

410 Dustyvet  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 6:41:21pm

re: #398 WayDownSouthInBama

The only thing missing from the video is an anchorwoman reporting from a canoe while two guys walk by showing the water to be less than knee deep. That one brings back memories doesn't it?

You forgot Sean Penn..:)

411 Slumbering Behemoth  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 6:41:23pm

re: #377 Sharmuta

She's really apolitical, and does not spend much time considering such things. I'll give her the straight dope when she's been misinformed on something, and she does become aware that she's been fed a line of bull, but I don't think she really cares enough about such matters as to really be affected by it.

I love my mom, but she's not exactly what I would call a deep thinker.

412 Dr. Shalit  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 6:41:36pm

re: #390 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

As long as it isn't Ward Churchill or Noam Chomsky style intellectualism, I won't be insulted. :-)

"Vet-MP"

Don't be - YOU ARE REAL - THEY are Wannabees. That is all.

-S-

413 jaunte  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 6:41:43pm

If rigor mortis sets in within 3 hours of death, and the child was killed (or mortally wounded) on the roof, the entire story from explosion, to hospital, to mourning in the apartment, ride to cemetery, interment, took less than 3 hours. There was no evident rigor.
It's not likely that these events only took three hours.

414 Nancy  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 6:41:48pm

I am not a doctor but I can't imagine that if they were really trying to save someone's life --how they could be positioned around the victim in a way that a bystander --in this case a family member --could even video it.

Seems to me the last thing the medical professionals would be concerned about would be not blocking the photographers view.

415 Dustyvet  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 6:42:18pm

re: #407 Outrider

my question is.... is there really the fatalities? We really have only their claims, No?

Good point...

416 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 6:42:21pm

re: #316 formercorpsman

This headline says he found him dead.


Nice catch.

417 vxbush  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 6:42:31pm

re: #406 DisturbedEma

Well- I lost my job. . .hence the pissed off. . .

Oh, wow! I am so sorry! I hope you are able to find someone decent to work at, and soon. I know my daughter is job hunting, and she isn't having much luck. But she's a student and would have to work weird hours.

418 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 6:42:58pm

re: #408 jwb7605

How about a rocket launcher on the roof, a "work accident" and some quick cleanup?
I do not know anything about that stuff, just musing.

Not bad. A "good" way to make hay out of Achmed's screw up with the fuse. Good theory.

419 Sheepdogess  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 6:43:17pm

re: #342 ArmyWife

That interview was depressing...

420 lifeofthemind  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 6:43:22pm

Looking at the damage is it possible that what we have here is a "work accident" from assembling a weapon or explosives on the roof? Kid brother got to close?

421 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 6:43:27pm

re: #410 Dustyvet

You forgot Sean Penn..:)

Worst. Haircut. Ever.

422 formercorpsman  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 6:43:54pm

re: #419 Sheepdogess

Doing any better?

423 Outrider  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 6:43:56pm

re: #352 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

Heh... I went through RIP with an E-5. Nice enough guy. He had one problem... not Jump or Ranger qualified.

The battalion was so short of NCOs, the instructors "arranged" to fake his way through RIP, get him 5 jumps, and post him to battalion with a fresh pair of wings and a tab.

The poor bastard actually made four of the jumps before he put himself in the hospital. Lots of heads rolled after that one. Never saw the guy again, dunno what happened to the instructors (I was an E-2 at the time).

how can they get him jump qualified without going through Benning? There are only a couple of exceptions permitted and trying to get a guy through RIP and jumping him at the local level just ain't one of them. I'd be surprised if a lot of heads didn't roll.

424 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 6:44:03pm

re: #412 Dr. Shalit

"Vet-MP"

Don't be - YOU ARE REAL - THEY are Wannabees. That is all.

-S-

{Blush}

Now, if only you'd tell my wife... ;-)

425 Sharmuta  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 6:44:20pm

re: #411 Slumbering Behemoth

I think it's important people are made aware of the lies and manipulations of the msm. If the media is going to be held accountable for their actions, we need as many citizens aware of the BS as possible. Give Sleepy Mama a chance.

426 lifeofthemind  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 6:44:22pm

re: #408 jwb7605

How about a rocket launcher on the roof, a "work accident" and some quick cleanup?
I do not know anything about that stuff, just musing.

Just had the same thought, upding

427 Dustyvet  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 6:44:54pm

re: #421 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

Worst. Haircut. Ever.

Can't act either...:)

428 vxbush  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 6:46:06pm

re: #420 lifeofthemind

Looking at the damage is it possible that what we have here is a "work accident" from assembling a weapon or explosives on the roof? Kid brother got to close?

But even then, I would expect to see more blood on the roof. There just isn't enough there. I've seen several cases where there is more blood caused by a broken nose than appears on that roof.

429 jwb7605  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 6:46:27pm

re: #419 Sheepdogess

Sheepdogess? You need an avatar! Mine is named "Molly".

430 unclassifiable  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 6:46:28pm
431 DisturbedEma  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 6:47:15pm

re: #417 vxbush

Oh, wow! I am so sorry! I hope you are able to find someone decent to work at, and soon. I know my daughter is job hunting, and she isn't having much luck. But she's a student and would have to work weird hours.

Well, I will see what happens. The situation was a real as this fucking tape. I made my concerns about dear leader public, as many of you know- having refused several offers of Kool aid. . .and after the election, my contract was not renewed because of budget cuts. . . .AND the only way I could keep my job for the rest of the year was to transfer to a school that is even worse than the one I was in. . .and it was across the district from where I lived. . .meaning I had to "decline" i.e. quit. . .it was simply not possible to transfer, my son has therapy 5 days a week, I have to be there for it. . .end of story.

We lost our place, did not renew our option, to save money. . .just hanging on now. . .but dear leader can keep his fucking bailout. . .my soul is my own:)

432 WayDownSouthInBama  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 6:47:18pm

Gotta run. Hang in there Lizards. Never give up.:

[Link: www.30gigabytes.com...]

433 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 6:47:37pm

re: #423 Outrider

how can they get him jump qualified without going through Benning? There are only a couple of exceptions permitted and trying to get a guy through RIP and jumping him at the local level just ain't one of them. I'd be surprised if a lot of heads didn't roll.

All fake, all the time. It wasn't legit. I don't recall if the E-5 understood what was going on... he had to, I think... but they were planning on making the sign of the cross over his head and anointing him.

I have no idea what they did (or had planned) regarding his paperwork, or how far up the chain it went. My vague memory was that it was purely local in the RIP detachment, couple of NCOs, but like I said, I was a dumb-ass E-2 at the time.

434 KSK  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 6:47:48pm

This will be CNN's Rathergate

435 reine.de.tout  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 6:47:55pm

re: #413 jaunte

If rigor mortis sets in within 3 hours of death, and the child was killed (or mortally wounded) on the roof, the entire story from explosion, to hospital, to mourning in the apartment, ride to cemetery, interment, took less than 3 hours. There was no evident rigor.
It's not likely that these events only took three hours.

Everything about this smells.
The BBC and CNN versions of the story have events occurring at different times.

It's been established by Last Mohican to my satisfaction that the "care" that the Fat Guy in White Lab Coat and the good doctor were giving this child was faked.

Those bullet or shrapnel holes shown in the video don't look "clean" to me -
like they've been there and had stuff seeping out of them that stained the concrete.

The current CNN story claims the boy had head wounds, but I couldn't see any - and the little bit of blood in the hospital scene on the table doesn't appear to correspond with head placement.

The whole situation stinks to high heaven.

I don't think CNN has a clue whether this is real or staged. They did a little bit of "checking" and are now re-presenting it as real. I think they probably believe that it will all die down now - people will see the story as they have presented it, feel the impact that CNN wants people to feel, and then people will stop paying attention.

436 Wishing  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 6:47:58pm

re: #403 vxbush

Really? Man, I miss so much when I'm gone. Is there a link for that in the linkviewer?

KneeCapping

437 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 6:48:17pm

re: #371 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

What do they have in the 30mm range? So many calibers, so little time!

Maybe an AGS-30? It's a Russian AGL used in Afghanistan. Exported widely enough that is could have gotten to Gaza easily.

438 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 6:48:41pm

re: #427 Dustyvet

Can't act either...:)

Thin Red Line. To date, still, the only movie I paid tickets for me and my boys that I actually stood up and walked out of.

Pure crap.

439 Render  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 6:48:48pm

re: #371 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

Russian GP-25 and GP-30 grenade launchers mounted under AK series rifles are 30mm. Their version of the M-203.

But I haven't seen those in Palestinian (Gaza - West Bank) hands in quite a while.

Take a close look at the video [Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...] posted by Jaunte (thanks bro).

I think thats very consistent with the small amount of damage visible on that roof.

Some HAMAS goon cut loose a single 40mm round at those kids.

UNFRIENDLY
FIRE,
R

440 vxbush  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 6:49:15pm

re: #430 unclassifiable

Look at this article.

Wow! Thanks for the link. Sometimes, I think the craziness is inherited. Then I realize that it's taught.

Oy.

Someone earlier mentioned that the families weren't wailing as is often the case in the Arab funeral ritual. I noticed that, too. That makes me even more suspicious.

441 jwb7605  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 6:49:23pm

re: #431 DisturbedEma

[SNIP]
We lost our place, did not renew our option, to save money. . .just hanging on now. . .but dear leader can keep his fucking bailout. . .my soul is my own:)

Are we going to get a "666" tattoo if we accept the bailout?

442 reine.de.tout  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 6:49:34pm

re: #413 jaunte

If rigor mortis sets in within 3 hours of death, and the child was killed (or mortally wounded) on the roof, the entire story from explosion, to hospital, to mourning in the apartment, ride to cemetery, interment, took less than 3 hours. There was no evident rigor.
It's not likely that these events only took three hours.

Also, one more time-consuming action to include in there - they had to locate and purchase a burial plot.

443 CIA Reject  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 6:50:22pm

re: #393 albusteve

there is only so many types/sizes of ordnance...it had to be something...C4 in a tin can?

That's where my thoughts go- more to the low-tech. Like maybe half a stick of dynamite?

444 DisturbedEma  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 6:50:31pm

re: #441 jwb7605

Are we going to get a "666" tattoo if we accept the bailout?

Umm- as a Jew, I am pretty much screwed either way. . .

445 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 6:50:34pm

re: #437 Dark_Falcon

Maybe an AGS-30? It's a Russian AGL used in Afghanistan. Exported widely enough that is could have gotten to Gaza easily.

Do they fire those up in the air to celebrate, too?

446 Dustyvet  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 6:50:53pm

re: #438 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

Thin Red Line. To date, still, the only movie I paid tickets for me and my boys that I actually stood up and walked out of.

Pure crap.

In the film "The Falcon and the Snowman" Penn whined for two plus hours...

447 Last Mohican  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 6:51:20pm

I'm back from my dinner break. And I've re-read CNN's explanation about why the CPR looked inauthentic.

I had it totally wrong in the last thread. I was making up a plausible explanation, one that I thought CNN was trying to invoke: that the doctors were intentionally going through a fake code, in order to try to impress the patient's brother that they had done everything possible.

But now that I re-read the explanation, that's not what CNN is saying. What they're saying actually makes no sense at all.

...doctors often go through such efforts even with little hope that a patient can be saved.

We aren't accusing the doctors of trying to save a patient who probably couldn't be saved. We are saying that they clearly weren't trying to save the patient at all. Does CNN really mean "doctors often pretend to save a patient, without actually trying to save him, even if there's little hope the patient can be saved."

They have now totally blown it. They've maneuvered themselves into a situation they can't possibly get out of.

448 Slumbering Behemoth  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 6:51:41pm

re: #425 Sharmuta

I do keep her up to date on the BS, and she is receptive, but she just does not have enough interest in these sorts of things to spend much time considering them.

She does make a mean spaghetti sauce, though, so I can't be to hard on her.

449 jwb7605  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 6:51:43pm

re: #444 DisturbedEma

Umm- as a Jew, I am pretty much screwed either way. . .

DOOMED, I tell ya. We have more in common than you might realize, but I'm not Jewish.

450 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 6:51:49pm

re: #446 Dustyvet

In the film "The Falcon and the Snowman" Penn whined for two plus hours...

I had the good sense to avoid his other movies.

451 ArmyWife  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 6:51:52pm

re: #419 Sheepdogess

There are so many examples of stuff like that. It boggles the mind. I would love to sit down with one of these "journalists" and interview them on their bias, their hit pieces on bloggers (does the hate spring from the fact they have to work just a bit harder at their propaganda message? Or do they hate that the hoi polloi gets it so right so often?). I could be an offshoot of Joe the Plumber.

In fairness, I'd like to talk to a few conservative talk show hosts and ask why they don't credit blogs for stories. Working together, blogs and the radio shows would make a tremendous dent in the MSM infrastructure. Speaking of, perhaps we should buy the for sale newspaper and try it our way?

452 MrsMusicMan  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 6:52:32pm

Took a break from studying (I am a 5th quarter RN student) to see what was going on at LGFB. I can tell you, beyond a doubt, that the display they claim was "real CPR", was not. If it had been a real doctor pretending, at least he would have had the knowledge to make it look real. Obviously that "doctor" was an actor pretending.

453 Outrider  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 6:52:35pm

re: #433 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

All fake, all the time. It wasn't legit. I don't recall if the E-5 understood what was going on... he had to, I think... but they were planning on making the sign of the cross over his head and anointing him.

I have no idea what they did (or had planned) regarding his paperwork, or how far up the chain it went. My vague memory was that it was purely local in the RIP detachment, couple of NCOs, but like I said, I was a dumb-ass E-2 at the time.

dang. Can you imagine the crap if he had burned into the DZ? Can you imagine his going before the SSG promotion board with jump wings and no documentation? Or to the next unit with no log book? Wow, like a bad train wreck all the way down the line. Them guys were putting a line on the line for a young Sergeant.

He was friendly with the cadre I take it? ;-)>

454 Dr. Shalit  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 6:52:41pm

re: #424 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

{Blush}

Now, if only you'd tell my wife... ;-)

1st Woman of Vet-MP -

Unless WE hear - convincingly - Otherwise - form you - Vet-MP - is a REAL GUY.

-S- + Simi

455 vxbush  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 6:52:42pm

re: #436 Wishing

KneeCapping

Great line here:

"Hamas works for Iran. They brought us back to the Stone Age," says Mohammed Abu Zakari, 48, who lost one of his legs after a Hamas shooting in the civil conflict.

Now, apply that same reasoning to Fatah, and you might be on the road to a real recovery.

456 jwb7605  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 6:53:14pm

re: #451 ArmyWife

There are so many examples of stuff like that. It boggles the mind. I would love to sit down with one of these "journalists" and interview them on their bias, their hit pieces on bloggers (does the hate spring from the fact they have to work just a bit harder at their propaganda message? Or do they hate that the hoi polloi gets it so right so often?). I could be an offshoot of Joe the Plumber.

In fairness, I'd like to talk to a few conservative talk show hosts and ask why they don't credit blogs for stories. Working together, blogs and the radio shows would make a tremendous dent in the MSM infrastructure. Speaking of, perhaps we should buy the for sale newspaper and try it our way?

Joe the Plumber.
I'm serious.

457 Dustyvet  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 6:53:25pm

re: #450 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

I had the good sense to avoid his other movies.

I was taking a course in Security Management, our instructor showed that film about 8 times during the course...

458 Wishing  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 6:53:49pm

re: #451 ArmyWife

There are so many examples of stuff like that. It boggles the mind. I would love to sit down with one of these "journalists" and interview them on their bias, their hit pieces on bloggers (does the hate spring from the fact they have to work just a bit harder at their propaganda message? Or do they hate that the hoi polloi gets it so right so often?). I could be an offshoot of Joe the Plumber.

In fairness, I'd like to talk to a few conservative talk show hosts and ask why they don't credit blogs for stories. Working together, blogs and the radio shows would make a tremendous dent in the MSM infrastructure. Speaking of, perhaps we should buy the for sale newspaper and try it our way?

Well, OK, but I won't give them one red cent over $10.00!

459 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 6:54:13pm

re: #435 reine.de.tout

Everything about this smells.
The BBC and CNN versions of the story have events occurring at different times.

It's been established by Last Mohican to my satisfaction that the "care" that the Fat Guy in White Lab Coat and the good doctor were giving this child was faked.

Those bullet or shrapnel holes shown in the video don't look "clean" to me -
like they've been there and had stuff seeping out of them that stained the concrete.

The current CNN story claims the boy had head wounds, but I couldn't see any - and the little bit of blood in the hospital scene on the table doesn't appear to correspond with head placement.

The whole situation stinks to high heaven.

I don't think CNN has a clue whether this is real or staged. They did a little bit of "checking" and are now re-presenting it as real. I think they probably believe that it will all die down now - people will see the story as they have presented it, feel the impact that CNN wants people to feel, and then people will stop paying attention.

Good analysis. Their arrogance must be incredible though. That in the wake of Rathergate, they think they can run this cheap stuff in on the viewing public. It won't work nearly as well as they think it will, and in the end it'll contribute to a climate of media sleeze that will erode the MSM's ability to propagandize.

460 ArmyWife  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 6:55:12pm

re: #458 Wishing

I'll match that. Anyone else want to pony up?

461 MPH  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 6:55:32pm

Charles -- you own these clowns @cnn. Keep hammering...!

462 vxbush  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 6:55:58pm

Now here's a question that I haven't seen answered--if it has, point me to it.

The taller doctor, the one who appears on the left of the bed as the camera faces it (so that the fake CPR giver is on the right of the bed)--he's apparently Norwegian, I think? And in one video snippet he's trying to talk, but I have no idea what he's saying.

Can anyone make it out what he's saying?

463 jaunte  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 6:56:19pm

re: #442 reine.de.tout

"At a Gaza hospital, doctors tried to revive a 12-year-old victim of the violence, but their efforts were in vain. Mahmoud died."

"Both boys died after the rocket hit."

So why would they use one of the few good doctors in Gaza try to revive a dead boy, when there were so many others waiting for care in that same hospital?

"Gilbert and surgeon Erik Fosse are currently the only European health care workers on the Gaza Strip."
[Link: sterileeye.com...]

464 Mauser  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 6:56:57pm

re: #200 Charles

If you didn't notice the posts about him, that doctor is Mads Gilbert, a raving Norwegian moonbat who belongs to Norway's Maoist Red Party, and supported the hijackers in the 9/11 attacks.

Just for a little more context to this.

If this video is "real" then the Norwegian Medical Association should pull his license to practice on the basis of incompetence.

If he stands to lose that, we'll quickly find out how real this is....

465 Dustyvet  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 6:57:09pm

re: #462 vxbush

Now here's a question that I haven't seen answered--if it has, point me to it.

The taller doctor, the one who appears on the left of the bed as the camera faces it (so that the fake CPR giver is on the right of the bed)--he's apparently Norwegian, I think? And in one video snippet he's trying to talk, but I have no idea what he's saying.

Can anyone make it out what he's saying?

Gibberish...he forgot his lines...:)

466 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 6:57:19pm

See 271

467 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 6:57:34pm

re: #445 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

Do they fire those up in the air to celebrate, too?

Not normally. It's a two crew weapon and not really suited for celebratory fire. I came in a bit late though: Can someone fill me in on the background that has us examining which weapon did what?

468 jwb7605  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 6:57:38pm

re: #462 vxbush

Now here's a question that I haven't seen answered--if it has, point me to it.

The taller doctor, the one who appears on the left of the bed as the camera faces it (so that the fake CPR giver is on the right of the bed)--he's apparently Norwegian, I think? And in one video snippet he's trying to talk, but I have no idea what he's saying.

Can anyone make it out what he's saying?

I thought I picked out "Bork Bork Bork", but realized that's Swedish, not Norwegian, so I apparently mis-heard him.

469 vxbush  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 6:58:17pm

re: #200 Charles

If you didn't notice the posts about him, that doctor is Mads Gilbert, a raving Norwegian moonbat who belongs to Norway's Maoist Red Party, and supported the hijackers in the 9/11 attacks.

Oh, that's Mads! Gotcha.

But my question about what he's trying to say still stands. I can't make out anything in the video.

470 Dustyvet  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 6:58:31pm

re: #468 jwb7605

I thought I picked out "Bork Bork Bork", but realized that's Swedish, not Norwegian, so I apparently mis-heard him.

The Swedish chef?

471 wiffersnapper  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 6:58:33pm

It's sad to think that within the year we'll be giving these windbags a bailout.

472 vxbush  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 6:58:57pm

re: #466 Killgore Trout

See 271

Excellent! Thanks for the pointer....

473 BigMoo  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 6:58:58pm

Sadly, We live in a world where it appears that a select few decide what 'the truth' is-and then look for those tools (video, pics, talking heads/spin doctors) who help them 'shape' that truth.
Go figure.

474 jroberson  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 6:59:19pm
re: #34 Sharmuta

It's the Constanza Method- it's not a lie if you believe it.

"Marge, it takes two to lie - one to lie, and one to listen."
-Homer Simpson

It takes three to spread a lie. One to lie, one to listen, and another to believe.

475 jwb7605  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 6:59:21pm

re: #470 Dustyvet

The Swedish chef?

Yeah. Hat was wrong, too.
/

476 rawmuse  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 6:59:23pm

Their lines are caving. This is beginning to look like another rout!

477 JacksonTn  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 6:59:49pm

re: #471 wiffersnapper

It's sad to think that within the year we'll be giving these windbags a bailout.

Well, right up there with their buds ...Larry Flynt and that Girls Gone Wild guy ...idiots ...

478 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 6:59:56pm

re: #453 Outrider

dang. Can you imagine the crap if he had burned into the DZ? Can you imagine his going before the SSG promotion board with jump wings and no documentation? Or to the next unit with no log book? Wow, like a bad train wreck all the way down the line. Them guys were putting a line on the line for a young Sergeant.

He was friendly with the cadre I take it? ;-)>

Don't forget the forged Ranger Tab!

And he did burn into the DZ on jump #4... terribly windy evening on one of those screwy drop zones on Ft Lewis (forget its name), anyway, the thing was surrounded by railway box cars (Stan designed this thing) sitting on the ground... no tracks, just empty box cars... it was really strange.

Bad day to jump, lots of guys were making Feet-Knees-Face PLFs.

Supertrooper, missed the DZ in the wind and slammed into the top edge of one of the box cars (right about waist height, so the iupper body folded and slammed on the roof, while the legs hit the side... I _saw_ this happen).

He was pretty messed up by this, if we heard any word back from the hospital it was lost in the shit storm that happened because of him being outed.

They were only a couple of days away from getting away with it. We were set to graduate.

479 Outrider  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 6:59:59pm

I just went back and watched the video for the second time. I won't comment on the medical aspect as there are a whole gang of medically trained people here.

I did receive some training in BDA and the roof looks like it had taken a hit from nothing more than a large piece of debris. No way any kind of rocket or explosive. The pockmarks are older. Just my opinion.

480 Dustyvet  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 7:00:12pm

re: #475 jwb7605

Yeah. Hat was wrong, too.
/

:) Molly gets a pat up...ding...:)

481 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 7:00:16pm

re: #457 Dustyvet

I was taking a course in Security Management, our instructor showed that film about 8 times during the course...

Did you shoot him?

482 DisturbedEma  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 7:00:22pm

re: #473 BigMoo

Sadly, We live in a world where it appears that a select few decide what 'the truth' is-and then look for those tools (video, pics, talking heads/spin doctors) who help them 'shape' that truth.
Go figure.

OMG- JUST saw the cover of Time. . .someone pass the eye bleach. . .what a load of CRAP. . .

483 jwb7605  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 7:00:37pm

re: #476 rawmuse

Their lines are caving. This is beginning to look like another rout!

Whose lines? CNN? Hamas? Huh?

484 reine.de.tout  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 7:00:48pm

"youths" of unknown origin, screaming the odd and never-before-heard phrase "Allahu Akbar", attack Oslo Pro-Israel rally with knives, bats & molotov cocktails. .

This has nothing to do with the situation in Gaza," Johan Fredriksen, chief of staff of the Oslo police, told the website of the daily Aftenposten.

More with video at the link.

485 DisturbedEma  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 7:00:58pm

re: #477 JacksonTn

Well, right up there with their buds ...Larry Flynt and that Girls Gone Wild guy ...idiots ...

How is it even possible that porn is out of money. . .

486 rawmuse  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 7:01:08pm

re: #483 jwb7605

CNN

487 Summersong  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 7:01:08pm

Unexpectedly stuck in traffic today. Seems some kids at the local high school decided to stage a protest, against Israel. My first clue as to what it was about was the big, "stop the genocide in Gaza" sign.

First, I felt anger at their lack of understanding (I flipped off high school students!), but a short while later I just felt very, very sad.

488 Outrider  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 7:01:16pm

re: #470 Dustyvet

The Swedish chef?

same style. same competence. same filling for the brain pan apparently. Jim Henson ever work in Norway? ;-)>

489 reine.de.tout  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 7:01:30pm

re: #459 Dark_Falcon

Good analysis. Their arrogance must be incredible though. That in the wake of Rathergate, they think they can run this cheap stuff in on the viewing public. It won't work nearly as well as they think it will, and in the end it'll contribute to a climate of media sleeze that will erode the MSM's ability to propagandize.

I really really hope you are right about that.

490 BigMoo  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 7:02:04pm

re: #482 DisturbedEma

What is the cover ? I try not look at it anymore, lest I lose my lunch...

491 Archimedes  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 7:02:07pm

re: #342 ArmyWife

I think we just need to dial down our criticsm here. Or so says Andrea Mitchell of NBC.

/need we continue to expect anything but propaganda after this crap?


I got through the first paragraph of that link, but I could stomach no more. I can only think there must be some beautiful cathedral of worship for Obama and liberals that she goes to weekly. She's very devout.

492 mean Gene  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 7:02:24pm

According to rules of war, proportionality and such, it was perfectly legal for IDF to accidentally kill a couple of innocent children playing on the roof of a Hamas web site operative's home.
Even if bad intel led to the strike it would be legal.
All of the death of the boy video is merely diversion from what should be the focus.
Hamas' leaders are being taken out whether they put human shields on their roofs or don't.

493 Bobblehead  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 7:02:27pm

re: #429 jwb7605

Sheepdogess? You need an avatar! Mine is named "Molly".

I was going to ask who that avatar cutie is. Thanks for anticipating.

494 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 7:02:28pm

re: #467 Dark_Falcon

Not normally. It's a two crew weapon and not really suited for celebratory fire. I came in a bit late though: Can someone fill me in on the background that has us examining which weapon did what?

Trying to figure out what hit the roof and:

a) created the damage seen

and

b) didn't instantly kill the boy

495 DisturbedEma  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 7:02:33pm

re: #484 reine.de.tout

"youths" of unknown origin, screaming the odd and never-before-heard phrase "Allahu Akbar", attack Oslo Pro-Israel rally with knives, bats & molotov cocktails. .


More with video at the link.

This just in. . .Zionist Juice is the newest Snapple flavor, not code for actual Jewish people- death to Zionist Juice is against this new flavor. . .move on people, nothing to see here. . .

496 Fat Jolly Penguin  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 7:02:47pm

re: #470 Dustyvet

The Swedish chef?

497 Dustyvet  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 7:02:51pm

re: #481 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

Did you shoot him?

We tried to steal the tape out of his office, but he hadn't covered lock picking yet...:)

498 BigMoo  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 7:02:54pm

re: #484 reine.de.tout

Aw, C'mon, they're just 'misguided youths'...

499 ArmyWife  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 7:03:19pm

re: #484 reine.de.tout

T

his has nothing to do with the situation in Gaza," Johan Fredriksen, chief of staff of the Oslo police, told the website of the daily Aftenposten.

CNN has confirmed the incidents are completely unrelated and the whole thing is one weird coinkydink.

500 DisturbedEma  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 7:03:27pm

re: #490 BigMoo

What is the cover ? I try not look at it anymore, lest I lose my lunch...

Why Israel cannot win in Gaza. . .

501 razorbacker  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 7:04:12pm

re: #435 reine.de.tout

Everything about this smells...

I don't think CNN has a clue whether this is real or staged. They did a little bit of "checking" and are now re-presenting it as real. I think they probably believe that it will all die down now - people will see the story as they have presented it, feel the impact that CNN wants people to feel, and then people will stop paying attention.

This is 'checking'?

(CNN) -- There's no truth to accusations by bloggers that a Palestinian camera crew staged a video showing the death of the videographer's brother after an Israeli rocket attack, said the team's employer.

502 Cognito  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 7:04:17pm

Huh.re: #388 DisturbedEma

No need to be ugly.

I hope your situation gets better. These are tough times.

503 RedDish  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 7:04:27pm

re: #487 Summersong

I'm in the same place. At our kids school musical performances, I saw a young man both evenings wearing a keffiyah. Took all my restraint to not confront him...

I wonder if he knew what he was wearing.

504 Outrider  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 7:04:31pm

re: #478 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

Don't forget the forged Ranger Tab!

And he did burn into the DZ on jump #4... terribly windy evening on one of those screwy drop zones on Ft Lewis (forget its name), anyway, the thing was surrounded by railway box cars (Stan designed this thing) sitting on the ground... no tracks, just empty box cars... it was really strange.

Bad day to jump, lots of guys were making Feet-Knees-Face PLFs.

Supertrooper, missed the DZ in the wind and slammed into the top edge of one of the box cars (right about waist height, so the iupper body folded and slammed on the roof, while the legs hit the side... I _saw_ this happen).

He was pretty messed up by this, if we heard any word back from the hospital it was lost in the shit storm that happened because of him being outed.

They were only a couple of days away from getting away with it. We were set to graduate.

Dang. I can just imagine the Line of Duty investigation after that one. I crashed and burned once and broke a leg and that was bad enough investigation. Not to mention a little embarrassing. ;-)>

He lucked out. Also lucky some Rangers didn't catch him with a bogus tab.

505 Dr. Shalit  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 7:04:39pm

Lizardim -

HOORAY FOR PALIWOOD - Unless they all can be blown out of the water by their LIES.

-S-

506 reine.de.tout  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 7:04:43pm

re: #463 jaunte

"At a Gaza hospital, doctors tried to revive a 12-year-old victim of the violence, but their efforts were in vain. Mahmoud died."

"Both boys died after the rocket hit."

So why would they use one of the few good doctors in Gaza try to revive a dead boy, when there were so many others waiting for care in that same hospital?

"Gilbert and surgeon Erik Fosse are currently the only European health care workers on the Gaza Strip."
[Link: sterileeye.com...]

We keep looking at this through the prism of our experience as civilized people living in a civilized country, where doctors do not pretend to save people, nor do they spend precious and valuable time trying to raise the dead.

I am just so completely flabbergasted that CNN is presenting this stuff as real. It is amazing and disgusting to me, the utter gall. . . .

507 least  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 7:04:54pm

Somewhat OT:
Just heard an ABC promo for This Week with George Stephanapoulos that said, "President Elect Obama faces George, this Sunday."

I'll bet The One is in a sweat about this, what with all the tough questions he can expect from George.

508 JacksonTn  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 7:05:35pm

I know it is probably not a real weapon (but oh how I wished it had been and used at the dems convention) ...I wish the ...what was it called "Crap Cannon" ...I wish they could use it on Hamas large scale and the whole damn group of them crapping all over themselves at once ...that would be a great video ...

509 Dustyvet  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 7:05:50pm

re: #496 Fat Jolly Penguin

Hey I used to eat at an Army Mess hall where the eggs bounced like that...:)

510 Wishing  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 7:05:50pm

Ok I just looked at the video again. When they are done with cpr because *he died*, and they roll the child onto his side there are two things to notice:
1. the color of the blood on the sheet the child is wrapped in is BROWN
2. the color of the blood on the bed is reddish/orange
Old blood is always brown, new blood is red.
Totally phony vid.

511 DisturbedEma  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 7:06:02pm

Timne's editor is "proud" of winning a lawsuit against Sharon, and is also proud of naming Arafat a person of the year. . .

In their effort to crow about their balance. . .they forget about their use of "rhymes with Fagin" to give pronunciation tips to readers for Begin. . .

Time rhymes with slime

512 unclassifiable  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 7:06:21pm

Lie

Get caught lying

Lie about getting caught lying

513 BigMoo  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 7:06:22pm

re: #500 DisturbedEma

Well, if the gist of the article is that it's because the rest of the world won't let 'em, then I must agree. Until Hamas is gutted, there can be no peace..just intermissions.

514 Outrider  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 7:06:40pm

re: #492 mean Gene

According to rules of war, proportionality and such, it was perfectly legal for IDF to accidentally kill a couple of innocent children playing on the roof of a Hamas web site operative's home.
Even if bad intel led to the strike it would be legal.
All of the death of the boy video is merely diversion from what should be the focus.
Hamas' leaders are being taken out whether they put human shields on their roofs or don't.

sane people would move their families to the countryside until the IDF finished taking out the trash. But then..............

515 DisturbedEma  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 7:06:43pm

re: #502 Cognito

Huh.

No need to be ugly.

I hope your situation gets better. These are tough times.

Oh SHIT, just what I need the ...Vapid Proclaimer!

516 Wishing  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 7:06:45pm

re: #510 Wishing

Ok I just looked at the video again. When they are done with cpr because *he died*, and they roll the child onto his side there are two things to notice:
1. the color of the blood on the sheet the child is wrapped in is BROWN
2. the color of the blood on the bed is reddish/orange
Old blood is always brown, new blood is red.
Totally phony vid.

The blood under the child could NOT have come from the child on the sheet.

517 SteveC  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 7:06:55pm

I don't know if CNN realizes what they just did.

Responding to accusations that the resuscitation efforts of Mashharawi’s brother appeared inauthentic, Martin said that, based on his years of reporting from Gaza, doctors often go through such efforts even with little hope that a patient can be saved.

Time: Monday Morning.
Location: Physician's office.

"Now Doc, if... if I happen pass during this procedure, you are actually going to try to save me, right?"

"What do you mean? We're duty bound - and honor bound, I might add - to try to save the life of anyone in our care."

"That's not what I read on CNN's website. They sat that sometimes doctors put on a show for the family."

"SAY WHAT? Oh no fuck they didn't...!"

"I'll show ya! Can that terminal access the internet...?"

518 Dustyvet  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 7:07:05pm

re: #512 unclassifiable

Lie

Get caught lying

Lie about getting caught lying

Never, Never give the Military Police your right name...:)

519 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 7:07:16pm

re: #504 Outrider

Dang. I can just imagine the Line of Duty investigation after that one. I crashed and burned once and broke a leg and that was bad enough investigation. Not to mention a little embarrassing. ;-)>

He lucked out. Also lucky some Rangers didn't catch him with a bogus tab.

That would have come out real fast... assuming he made it in battalion as a team leader (hell, my squad leader was an E-5... probably about right since there were only five of us in the "squad") and didn't know a thing about running patrols, he'd be on his ass over in "leg land" (the 9th ID, where we deposited everyone who quit or whatever).

520 SteveC  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 7:07:27pm

re: #468 jwb7605

I thought I picked out "Bork Bork Bork", but realized that's Swedish, not Norwegian, so I apparently mis-heard him.

He's bilingual!

521 swamprat  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 7:07:31pm

re: #488 Outrider

same style. same competence. same filling for the brain pan apparently. Jim Henson ever work in Norway? ;-)>

Missed it by a hare;


522 Outrider  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 7:07:43pm

re: #500 DisturbedEma

Why Israel cannot win in Gaza. . .

someone ought to tell them. They seem to be giving a damn good impression of doing just that.

523 Jed 1899  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 7:08:12pm

That Dr with the glasses looks so Euro.

524 DisturbedEma  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 7:08:14pm

re: #513 BigMoo

Well, if the gist of the article is that it's because the rest of the world won't let 'em, then I must agree. Until Hamas is gutted, there can be no peace..just intermissions.

Nope- it is because Israel is not giving up enough. . .I had to stop reading for a bit, may go back now that the Vapid Proclaimer is in the hizzle. . .

525 Cognito  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 7:08:29pm

re: #515 DisturbedEma

I get it. Like I said, I'm sorry you're going through a tough time.

526 Wishing  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 7:08:58pm

re: #460 ArmyWife

Actually, I am in agreement with you. Pajamas Media is opening up avenues with their willingness to put it all in the line, get out there and do it right.
I would love to see the blogosphere publish its own rag, even weekly.

527 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 7:09:08pm

re: #504 Outrider

Sorry to hear about your leg. I was lucky... 65 jumps, not a scratch.

528 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 7:09:22pm

re: #484 reine.de.tout

"youths" of unknown origin, screaming the odd and never-before-heard phrase "Allahu Akbar", attack Oslo Pro-Israel rally with knives, bats & molotov cocktails. .

More with video at the link.

"This has nothing to do with the situation in Gaza." Whiskey, Tango, Foxtrot? Oh, wait, I forgot. The Police Chief is just being a good little dhimmi, as is normal in Europe.

529 DisturbedEma  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 7:10:32pm

Night Lizards-

Have fun with the Vapid Proclaimer. . .


Am Yisroel CHAI!

530 ArmyWife  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 7:10:38pm

re: #507 least

George - Obama, You have tough times ahead of you. Heavy lifting will be a daily occurrence for you. In light of this, please tell us, the concerned public, just what brand of deodorant to expect to have on Whitehouse shelves, and perhaps even more pressing, will you install the massaging shower heads in the gym's locker room?

Obama - um, well, umm, ummm, well, ummm, there is only one president and um, I don't want to um, overstep his choice in umm hygiene um products and well, um, plumbing choices.

George - I understand and stand in awe of your absolute class, something the rethuglicans could learn from. Just really awe inspiring greatness.

531 Outrider  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 7:11:12pm

re: #519 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

That would have come out real fast... assuming he made it in battalion as a team leader (hell, my squad leader was an E-5... probably about right since there were only five of us in the "squad") and didn't know a thing about running patrols, he'd be on his ass over in "leg land" (the 9th ID, where we deposited everyone who quit or whatever).

You were in the Ranger Batt? Can't remember if you ever said?

532 jwb7605  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 7:11:15pm

re: #521 swamprat

Missed it by a hare;

upding. Hamas did very little editing, I see!

533 CynicalConservative  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 7:11:49pm

re: #529 DisturbedEma

Night Lizards-

Have fun with the Vapid Proclaimer. . .

Nomination for rotating title?

534 BigMoo  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 7:12:01pm

re: #492 mean Gene

Well the hell did 'proportionality' come from ? That sounds like a term the defeated might embrace...as in it's usually the loser in a fight who whines that the other guy didn't 'fight fair'
Winners of wars typically write history...time for Israel to write some MORE history-if Europe (and Obama) will let 'em.

535 Dustyvet  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 7:12:12pm

re: #520 SteveC

He's bilingual!

You mean he's, he's, he's...AC-DC?

536 RedDish  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 7:12:13pm

Good night Lizards. Keep up the fight...

537 RememberSekhmet?  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 7:12:36pm

Does the Left want to see Jews killed to free Palestine, or does the Left want to free Palestine to kill Jews?

For all the sympathy over the Holocaust not accorded to the survivors' armed grandchildren mean that only dead Jews are "good" Jews?

538 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 7:12:47pm

re: #502 Cognito

Huh.

No need to be ugly.

I hope your situation gets better. These are tough times.

Hey, Cognito! Long time no see!

539 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 7:13:04pm
540 Archimedes  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 7:13:04pm

I wonder what Europe was like circa 1936, when the Nazis were on the rise.

Corruption everywhere!

541 albusteve  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 7:13:08pm

re: #528 Dark_Falcon

"This has nothing to do with the situation in Gaza." Whiskey, Tango, Foxtrot? Oh, wait, I forgot. The Police Chief is just being a good little dhimmi, as is normal in Europe.

bodies askew..."I was surrounded sir....had to fight my way back to the line"

542 RememberSekhmet?  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 7:13:47pm

re: #539 taxfreekiller

OT
a bit OT
I have been off this thread a bit,

been attempting to find some web sites,,,

Looking for ,,
the George Soros Children's Hospital
the George Soros Burn Center Hospital
the George Soros Cleft Palate Treatment Center
the George Soros School for the Deaf
the George Soros Endocrinology Research Center

tell me why if George is such a big Democratic , why oh why
can I not find such sites...?

Better yet, once George Soros gets what he wants, and plunders the dollar like he plundered the Pound Sterling, will he still need the Democrats?

543 JacksonTn  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 7:14:21pm

re: #539 taxfreekiller

OT
a bit OT
I have been off this thread a bit,

been attempting to find some web sites,,,

Looking for ,,
the George Soros Children's Hospital
the George Soros Burn Center Hospital
the George Soros Cleft Palate Treatment Center
the George Soros School for the Deaf
the George Soros Endocrinology Research Center

tell me why if George is such a big Democratic , why oh why
can I not find such sites...?

TFk ..until further notice all George Soros money will go to Al Franken Legal Fund ...

544 SteveC  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 7:14:38pm

re: #535 Dustyvet

You mean he's, he's, he's...AC-DC?

I don't know anything about his musical taste!

545 BigMoo  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 7:14:48pm

re: #524 DisturbedEma

Nope- it is because Israel is not giving up enough. . .I had to stop reading for a bit, may go back now that the Vapid Proclaimer is in the hizzle. . .

Go figure...ya give up Gaza in the 'hope' of peace and get mortar rounds and rockets for your trouble. As the Messiah said...if someone launched rockets at my daughters, I'd respond too (or words to that effect).

546 jwb7605  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 7:15:16pm

re: #539 taxfreekiller

OT
a bit OT
I have been off this thread a bit,

been attempting to find some web sites,,,

Looking for ,,
the George Soros Children's Hospital
the George Soros Burn Center Hospital
the George Soros Cleft Palate Treatment Center
the George Soros School for the Deaf
the George Soros Endocrinology Research Center

tell me why if George is such a big Democratic , why oh why
can I not find such sites...?

George Soros School for the Blind
There's a school for deaf/dumb, but I can't remember the link.

547 stevieray  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 7:15:19pm

re: #528 Dark_Falcon

"This has nothing to do with the situation in Gaza." Whiskey, Tango, Foxtrot? Oh, wait, I forgot. The Police Chief is just being a good little dhimmi, as is normal in Europe.

I read that the opposite way... he was saying the pro-Palestinian protesters didn't care about Gaza, they only wanted to hurt Jews and smash things.

548 aRedPhishHead  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 7:15:25pm

Here's the quality of "sourcing" CNN is using here - from the "About Us" at the news site:

WORLD NEWS & FEATURES is a unique specialist news and features provider, in the print, audio and video media, specialising in CONFLICT ZONES.

Holy terrible English, Batman! This is the most reliable in the source I've ever seen and read in the print! No more questions!

549 Dar ul Harb  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 7:15:32pm

"We must warn you, this channel 4 report contains some highly disturbing acting. Viewer incredulity is advised."

550 Cognito  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 7:15:52pm

re: #538 Dark_Falcon

Hey, Cognito! Long time no see!

Hi there.

Yep, been running around a bit.

551 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 7:16:12pm

re: #531 Outrider

You were in the Ranger Batt? Can't remember if you ever said?

2-75. 1979-1980. Young and stupid, I left... should have stayed. My proudest accomplishment was the fact that of that 60 man RIP class, 6 months later, there were 2 of us still there.

552 SteveC  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 7:16:20pm

re: #546 jwb7605

George Soros School for the Blind
There's a school for deaf/dumb, but I can't remember the link.

Can the students play a mean pinball?

553 jwb7605  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 7:16:53pm

re: #549 Dar ul Harb

"We must warn you, this channel 4 report contains some highly disturbing acting. Viewer incredulityWilling suspension of disbelief is advised."

/Hillary

554 mcnorman  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 7:16:56pm

Any response to the bag? Kid should have been bagged for chest compressions.

555 Age Of Freedom  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 7:17:11pm

re: #512 unclassifiable

Lie

Get caught lying

Lie about getting caught lying

Are you talking about the Palis?

/Dr. Madz

556 OldLineTexan  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 7:17:19pm

re: #546 jwb7605

George Soros School for the Blind
There's a school for deaf/dumb, but I can't remember the link.

AWWW, now my browser smells terrible...

557 stevieray  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 7:17:30pm

re: #547 stevieray

What I mean, the police chief was calling out the pro-Pali protesters, not being a dhimmi at all.

558 MandyManners  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 7:17:51pm

re: #539 taxfreekiller

OT
a bit OT
I have been off this thread a bit,

been attempting to find some web sites,,,

Looking for ,,
the George Soros Children's Hospital
the George Soros Burn Center Hospital
the George Soros Cleft Palate Treatment Center
the George Soros School for the Deaf
the George Soros Endocrinology Research Center

tell me why if George is such a big Democratic , why oh why
can I not find such sites...?

Because Soros is the current money-bags behind Gramsican Whoredom, tfk.

559 Outrider  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 7:18:03pm

re: #527 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

Sorry to hear about your leg. I was lucky... 65 jumps, not a scratch.

I got hit with a bodacious Fort Hood wind "gust" that grabbed my chute as I was touching down. The entire thing would have made Americas Funniest Home Videos if it had been filmed. As I was hitting a few things occurred simultaneously; the winds picked up and my foot went into a gopher hole. The wind ripped the risers from my hands so I missed collapsing the chute in time thus was dragged losing my glasses, one boot, and quite a bit of face skin. It then dragged me into some concertina wire (unauthorized) some one had left there.

It is funny as hell now, but like I said, quite embarrassing when the line of duty investigation was done. ;-)>

65 is a good record.

560 mean Gene  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 7:18:04pm

re: #534 BigMoo

Well the hell did 'proportionality' come from ? That sounds like a term the defeated might embrace...as in it's usually the loser in a fight who whines that the other guy didn't 'fight fair'
Winners of wars typically write history...time for Israel to write some MORE history-if Europe (and Obama) will let 'em.

The rule of distinction requires aiming attacks only at legitimate (e.g., military and support) targets. The rule of distinction includes elements of intent and expected result: so long as one aims at legitimate targets, the rule of distinction permits the attack, even if the attack is expected to cause collateral damage to civilians and even if, in retrospect, the attack was a mistake based on faulty intelligence. Israel has aimed its strikes at locations from which rockets have been fired, at Palestinian combatants bearing weapons and transporting arms, Palestinian terrorist commanders, and support and command and control centers.

The rule of proportionality operates in conjunction with the rule of distinction to limit collateral damage. It forbids collateral damage that is expected to be excessive in relation to the military need. As with distinction, the rule of proportionality relies upon intent. If Israel plans a strike without expected excessive collateral damage, the rule of proportionality justifies it, even if, in retrospect, Israel erred in its damage estimates.

Legal advisors attached to Israeli military units review proposed military actions. They apply an extremely restrictive standard for both distinction and proportionality, in accordance with intrusive Israeli Supreme Court rulings that have imposed far stricter legal standards on the Israeli military than those found in international law.

More here:
[Link: globallawforum.org...]

561 Truck Monkey  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 7:18:33pm

re: #512 unclassifiable

Lie

Get caught lying

Lie about getting caught lying

Rinse and repeat.

562 Noam Sayin'  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 7:19:19pm

If at first you don't succeed, fail again.

563 PeterLorre  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 7:19:24pm

My opinion of politics is probably worthless. But I've been a physician specializing in Anesthesiology for over 25 years and have seen and performed CPR on many, many occasions as one who is certified in Advanced Cardiac Life Support. Anesthesiologists are often called in emergencies to help manage airways, perform compressions, and administer meds. The chest compressions in this video are indeed perfunctory, worthless, and undoubtedly ineffectual. The comment at the top regarding rib fractures (a comment sequelae of CPR) is 100% correct. And as others have noted, compressions are done on the sternum (breastbone), not the abdomen.

Any thoughts I have on the likely training of the individual in the video or motivation of the video producers come from no particular training or experience on my part. But as for the CPR, I'm absolutely confident in what I've stated above.

564 Dustyvet  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 7:19:44pm

Muslim shouting "Allahu akbar" attacks Jewish passersby with axe on Israeli street

565 OldLineTexan  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 7:19:50pm

re: #558 MandyManners

Because Soros is the current money-bags behind Gramsican Whoredom, tfk.

He bought the kids a nice HopeChangey President. They won't need medical care now that everything will be better.

/

566 CIA Reject  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 7:19:53pm

re: #546 jwb7605

George Soros School for the Blind
There's a school for deaf/dumb, but I can't remember the link.

Considering the man's past association with the Nazis, his funding of charities for the deaf, dumb, and blind is almost too ironic to contemplate...

567 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 7:20:42pm

re: #559 Outrider

I got hit with a bodacious Fort Hood wind "gust" that grabbed my chute as I was touching down. The entire thing would have made Americas Funniest Home Videos if it had been filmed. As I was hitting a few things occurred simultaneously; the winds picked up and my foot went into a gopher hole. The wind ripped the risers from my hands so I missed collapsing the chute in time thus was dragged losing my glasses, one boot, and quite a bit of face skin. It then dragged me into some concertina wire (unauthorized) some one had left there.

It is funny as hell now, but like I said, quite embarrassing when the line of duty investigation was done. ;-)>

65 is a good record.

My hands were dicked over my an 81mm round with "too much paint" on it.

LOD's told me so. Must be then.

568 Outrider  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 7:20:49pm

re: #551 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

2-75. 1979-1980. Young and stupid, I left... should have stayed. My proudest accomplishment was the fact that of that 60 man RIP class, 6 months later, there were 2 of us still there.

79 at Lewis? Damn, I met have met you in the big war game that year with the 7th, 9th, and 4th Divs. Remember the Ranger Batt got nuked that last few nights before they were to hit the 4th Div Toc and trains?

569 SteveC  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 7:21:39pm

re: #564 Dustyvet

Muslim shouting "Allahu akbar" attacks Jewish passersby with axe on Israeli street

"Allahu akbar" must mean "Here I come to f*ck you up!" That's the only thing I can figure.

570 OldLineTexan  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 7:21:58pm

re: #567 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

My hands were dicked over my an 81mm round with "too much paint" on it.

LOD's told me so. Must be then.

I have a good friend who fell outta a helicopter at Ft. Hood. Twice. He told me, as far as he was concerned, Viet Nam was safer.

571 Age Of Freedom  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 7:22:25pm

re: #564 Dustyvet

Muslim shouting "Allahu akbar" attacks Jewish passersby with axe on Israeli street

Yeah, that ghoul was stopped and arrested.

572 ggt  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 7:22:32pm

Hello Evening Lizards! It's Blizzarding in Near Iowa tonite.

Are we still H O N C O S ™? Is there an official name for Blago's hair?

How are you-all tonite and what are we talking about?

573 Dustyvet  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 7:23:04pm

re: #568 Outrider

79 at Lewis? Damn, I met have met you in the big war game that year with the 7th, 9th, and 4th Divs. Remember the Ranger Batt got nuked that last few nights before they were to hit the 4th Div Toc and trains?

The 9th Division best damned Division in the United States Army...!

574 Outrider  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 7:23:36pm

re: #567 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

My hands were dicked over my an 81mm round with "too much paint" on it.

LOD's told me so. Must be then.

dang, sucks. Sorry about that. ;-(>

I managed to avoid losing anything more than skin and every now and then a little dignity. ;-)>

575 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 7:23:39pm

re: #568 Outrider

79 at Lewis? Damn, I met have met you in the big war game that year with the 7th, 9th, and 4th Divs. Remember the Ranger Batt got nuked that last few nights before they were to hit the 4th Div Toc and trains?

The biggest exercise I was in was "Gallent Eagle 80" down at Ft Irwin. That would be March or so of 1980. We did an Entebbe raid on a Marine airfield and spent the rest of the f*cking thing walking through the mountains trying to find a SAM battery.

Is that the one you are thinking of... or something else? What timeframe?

576 Dar ul Harb  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 7:24:18pm

re: #554 mcnorman

Any response to the bag? Kid should have been bagged for chest compressions.

Should have been compressed for chest compressions, too, instead of having Dr. Feelgood doing the bongo drums on him.

But when you're in the Gaza ER of the "Mads" the Red Norwegian ("I see you have the machine that goes ping!") you're not too worried about malpractice.

577 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 7:24:34pm

Make sure you go and see "Grand Torino". 4.5 out of 5 for me. Very good.

578 mean Gene  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 7:25:04pm

0bama is now denying he will have contact (low level) with Hamas!
Looks like the guy runs stuff up a flagpole to see the reaction:
Obama aide denies report he will
launch low-level contact with Hamas

[Link: www.haaretz.com...]

579 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 7:25:05pm

re: #570 OldLineTexan

I have a good friend who fell outta a helicopter at Ft. Hood. Twice. He told me, as far as he was concerned, Viet Nam was safer.

Ft. Hood must be a bad place... never been... one of my customers was an Inf LT who rappled/fell out of a Huey there and dicked up his back forever. He walks, poorly, with a cane.

580 Outrider  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 7:25:19pm

re: #573 Dustyvet

The 9th Division best damned Division in the United States Army...!

was never assigned to that one, so can't say that. I enjoyed the Divisions I was assigned to except the 24th. Then I retired. ;-)>

581 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 7:25:26pm

re: #573 Dustyvet

The 9th Division best damned Division in the United States Army...!

Oh, crap...

582 reine.de.tout  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 7:25:33pm

re: #572 ggt

Hello Evening Lizards! It's Blizzarding in Near Iowa tonite.

Are we still H O N C O S ™? Is there an official name for Blago's hair?

How are you-all tonite and what are we talking about?

I am still a honco. click my avatar.

583 faraway  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 7:25:34pm

I don't know if anyone here noticed, but the MSM decided in 2008 to not make the Dan Rather mistake again.

The mistake of being pressured by conservative blogs.

This CNN issue is at a turning point.

Do they win? Do blogs win?

584 OldLineTexan  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 7:25:48pm

re: #577 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Make sure you go and see "Grand Torino". 4.5 out of 5 for me. Very good.

FBV, you ol' honco batsard! I heard that was good. 4.5 stars?

585 Last Mohican  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 7:26:04pm

re: #452 MrsMusicMan

Took a break from studying (I am a 5th quarter RN student) to see what was going on at LGFB. I can tell you, beyond a doubt, that the display they claim was "real CPR", was not. If it had been a real doctor pretending, at least he would have had the knowledge to make it look real. Obviously that "doctor" was an actor pretending.

Well, that was a theory I brought up early in the last thread. That the guy doing the "compressions" is not a real caregiver at all, just a production assistant brought in by a Pallywood video crew. And that's why he doesn't know how to pretend to do realistic chest compressions.

My initial inclination, when I first saw the video, was to believe what appears to be true, i.e. that the large guy is a doctor, nurse, EMT, or whatever, as he appears to be. In that case, he'd know how to do proper chest compressions. So he would be doing the bogus fake ones because the coding kid is actually alive, and the big guy doesn't want to hurt him by doing real compressions.

And then there's the other explanation, the one that I thought CNN was trying to advance with their latest defense: the big guy is a real health care provider, and he knows how to do chest compressions, and he knew that he was just faking it. He was faking it because they were putting on a little show for the brother, who was watching, trying to comfort him by demonstrating that the hospital really had done everything they could. Even though they knew that the boy was beyond saving. Although I realize now that CNN wasn't really trying to say that at all, so this almost certainly isn't the right answer.

586 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 7:26:27pm
587 SteveC  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 7:26:38pm

re: #572 ggt

Hello Evening Lizards! It's Blizzarding in Near Iowa tonite.

*crackle* Lizard in the Blizzard, we're enroute with blankets, mittens, a Hot Toddy and a tailwarmer. What's your position, over?

588 Dustyvet  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 7:26:42pm

re: #581 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

Oh, crap...

Got ya...:)

589 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 7:27:08pm

re: #574 Outrider

dang, sucks. Sorry about that. ;-(>

I managed to avoid losing anything more than skin and every now and then a little dignity. ;-)>

Gave me a 60% PD Retirement after 12 years of service. That was 18 years ago. Uncle Sam has been very good to me.

590 mean Gene  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 7:27:21pm

re: #577 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Make sure you go and see "Grand Torino". 4.5 out of 5 for me. Very good.

Really?
I live in the no-man's land between two fighting gangs, the East Street Longos and some black gang.
Flashing a pretend gun at anyone of them would lead to your death within a day or two.
Heck, they don't even like you to paint over their graffiti!
Seems totally unbelievable to me.

(Yes, the PD is on the case 1000%)

591 Outrider  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 7:27:28pm

re: #575 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

The biggest exercise I was in was "Gallent Eagle 80" down at Ft Irwin. That would be March or so of 1980. We did an Entebbe raid on a Marine airfield and spent the rest of the f*cking thing walking through the mountains trying to find a SAM battery.

Is that the one you are thinking of... or something else? What timeframe?

It would have been during the Iran hostage affair as we were on standby and had real world Iranian documents with us.

The exercise was at Fort Lewis.

592 albusteve  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 7:27:32pm

not sure how to headline this...I mean is this really possible?

[Link: www.mysanantonio.com...]

593 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 7:27:54pm

re: #588 Dustyvet

Got ya...:)

Yeah, but you were in the real one, in Nam, not the one at Ft. Lewis, right?

/crosses fingers.

594 Jed 1899  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 7:27:55pm

Michael Moore will use this clip in his next movie, to prove how much better health care is in Pali than the US.

595 Outrider  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 7:28:17pm

re: #579 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

Ft. Hood must be a bad place... never been... one of my customers was an Inf LT who rappled/fell out of a Huey there and dicked up his back forever. He walks, poorly, with a cane.

I loved Hood! i was to have retired there until some as*wipe sent me to Stewart instead.

596 ArmyWife  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 7:28:26pm

re: #572 ggt

I am a standing proud honco. Actually, I am a going to bed honco. I am starting to feel oddly achy in my joints and neck, I just sneezed and it really hurt my head. I am not liking the direction this is going!

597 OldLineTexan  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 7:28:38pm

re: #579 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

Ft. Hood must be a bad place... never been... one of my customers was an Inf LT who rappled/fell out of a Huey there and dicked up his back forever. He walks, poorly, with a cane.

So Tony tells it like this:
He joined the Army and got sent to Viet Nam, where he drove APCs in convoys down this road with all the trees, etc. burned off quite a ways on both sides. One convoy got ambushed, and he got some shrapnel and/or debris in him. While patching him up, they discovered that he was 17 and had been shipped overseas by mistake. So they shipped him back to Ft. Hood. As he tells it, life got scarier. ;)

598 Outrider  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 7:29:08pm

re: #583 faraway

I don't know if anyone here noticed, but the MSM decided in 2008 to not make the Dan Rather mistake again.

The mistake of being pressured by conservative blogs.

This CNN issue is at a turning point.

Do they win? Do blogs win?

the blogs will. They are even stronger and more widespread now.

599 Dustyvet  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 7:29:14pm

re: #593 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

Yeah, but you were in the real one, in Nam, not the one at Ft. Lewis, right?

/crosses fingers.

Yup Vietnam 67-68 Bearcat Base and Dong Tam Base.

600 ArmyWife  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 7:30:41pm

re: #579 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

I lived at Hood for 7 years. My husband was part of 507 Dustoff.

601 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 7:31:04pm

re: #591 Outrider

It would have been during the Iran hostage affair as we were on standby and had real world Iranian documents with us.

The exercise was at Fort Lewis.

OK. Don't recall the exercise, but was on-board ship during the rescue attempt. Beyond that, can't really say.

602 Dustyvet  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 7:31:48pm

re: #599 Dustyvet

Yup Vietnam 67-68 Bearcat Base and Dong Tam Base.

If you go to the 9th Infantry Division web site, and check 1ST BN 11th Artillery Roll call list, I'm the second one one that list...:)

603 David IV of Georgia  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 7:32:00pm
doctors often go through such efforts even with little hope that a patient can be saved.


Lame CNN.

In my training, I have been trained to discuss end of life issues with the dying and their families. Resuscitation, or attempted resuscitation, for those who likely cannot be successfully revived is a bad idea. Doctors will in the attempt to restart a stopped heart, break bones, puncture lungs, create horrendous hematomas (bruises), and otherwise brutalize the patient. There is no middle ground. Either they try and do all they can to revive the patient or they don't. If grandma is 95 years old, has diabetes, has just had her third heart attack, has dementia—why do you want to try to revive her and have her so beaten by well-meaning doctors that she must have a closed casket at the funeral?

In young victims of bodily trauma such as this boy, the extreme means used to restart the heart are warranted—usually if they are revived they live out their live normally. However the means of reviving them is no less violent. The doctors try more and more extreme methods until hope is gone and they quit.

604 faraway  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 7:32:14pm

re: #598 Outrider

the blogs will. They are even stronger and more widespread now.

I am not sure. If CNN ignores this, it makes Charles look like a barking chihuahua. LGF has many readers, but not compared to the MSM onslaught.

We need a way to escalate these issues.

605 jwb7605  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 7:32:18pm

re: #592 albusteve

not sure how to headline this...I mean is this really possible?

[Link: www.mysanantonio.com...]

Yes. Maybe he was hungry. Ick.

606 Dr. Shalit  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 7:32:34pm

re: #583 faraway

I don't know if anyone here noticed, but the MSM decided in 2008 to not make the Dan Rather mistake again.

The mistake of being pressured by conservative blogs.

This CNN issue is at a turning point.

Do they win? Do blogs win?

faraway -

The TRUTH wins - EVENTUALLY - See: Harry S Truman - Problem is by that time, you might NOT be among the living. That is all.

-S-

607 CIA Reject  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 7:32:38pm

Good Night all!

608 Dom  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 7:32:49pm

As for why they took the video down in the first place, I imagine they needed to verify.

"Hello, Mads, did you fake a death scene for Hamas cameras? Ashraf, did you fake your brother's... no, forget I asked. Yeah, we'll put it back up. Sorry. Damn."

609 Truck Monkey  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 7:32:56pm

Checked into a hotel last week and as I was at the counter I asked if I could get the Pr0n disabled. The clerk was shocked and looked right through me and retorted: "You sick f*ck, we only have the regular Pr0n!"

With that I bid all a very scaly night.
Off to San Diego tomorrow.

610 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 7:33:07pm

re: #599 Dustyvet

Yup Vietnam 67-68 Bearcat Base and Dong Tam Base.

Good. I like you. I won't tell you what kind of crazed drug/racial mess the division was in 1979.

/At least that's what our NCOs told us, so we'd greatly fear getting sent there.

611 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 7:33:32pm

re: #602 Dustyvet

If you go to the 9th Infantry Division web site, and check 1ST BN 11th Artillery Roll call list, I'm the second one one that list...:)

Under Dusty? :-)

612 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 7:34:38pm

re: #600 ArmyWife

Thank you both... a medivac saved my ass once.

613 Dar ul Harb  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 7:34:50pm

re: #605 jwb7605

Yes. Maybe he was hungry. Ick.

Protesting the prison food?

/sorry

614 Dustyvet  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 7:35:09pm

re: #611 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

Under Dusty? :-)

No I was on AOL at the time I signed on, web master has ceased changing email addresses. :(

615 ArmyWife  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 7:35:15pm

Anyhow, night all. Keep up the fight -

616 OldLineTexan  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 7:35:22pm

re: #612 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

Thank you both... a medivac saved my ass once.

Just your ass? Man, you are missing parts.

/

617 Outrider  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 7:35:37pm

re: #601 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

OK. Don't recall the exercise, but was on-board ship during the rescue attempt. Beyond that, can't really say.

ahh you might have missed the affair then. The Rangers were tac nuked at an assembly area just prior to the raid. I was on the team that found them (actually they landed in the next clearing and we reported it) and called for a fire mission. The ump came right up to our position later that night and notified us we had been killed by friendly fire that had called in a tac nuke on the Ranger Batt. I actually got a certificate stating I had called in fire danger close in order to save the Division Cdr. ROFL

618 notutopia  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 7:35:51pm

re: #399 Killgore Trout

Kilgore, See these references of importance to address the questions related to the QUALITY and STANDARDS in method of
CPR that is being administered in this Mads Gilbert,MD vid in Gaza.
Attached is the CPR recommendations/algorithms advocated from the University of Oslo, Norway.
I stress this because they have not adopted yet the updated JAMA CPR recommendations since this publication. I also tried to link to the JAMA (Journal of American Medical Assoc.) algorithms for CPR as well, however, it will not allow me to do so.

See page 6 of this pdf. for the CPR chest compression to respiration ratio of administration.

There is also interesting factors on morbidity rates related to performance of quality CPR or the lack of.
Defibrillator use is also addressed in a Code Blue (full arrest). Hope this helpful to all.

[Link: www.webbhotell.sll.se...]

619 OldLineTexan  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 7:36:17pm

re: #613 Dar ul Harb

Protesting the prison food?

/sorry

If thine eye offend thee, pluck it out.

Gotta watch these literal interpretations.

/no pun intended

620 Outrider  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 7:36:26pm

re: #604 faraway

I am not sure. If CNN ignores this, it makes Charles look like a barking chihuahua. LGF has many readers, but not compared to the MSM onslaught.

We need a way to escalate these issues.

every blog that can carry it - should.

621 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 7:37:23pm
622 ggt  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 7:37:37pm

re: #582 reine.de.tout

I am still a honco. click my avatar.

LOL

623 ArmyWife  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 7:38:03pm

re: #612 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

I will pass on your thanks, but I am not the one that deserves it. I am always amazed at the medic stories, though. Makes me proud of him! I have video somewhere of him repelling out of a helicopter saving a box of kittens (it was during some really bad floods in San Antonio, he was saving people, too, but the kittens were the best part of the story!)

I really am going to bed this time. Night!

624 desdichado  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 7:38:04pm

The web site World News & Features is poorly made.

Their business plan is to get paid for news reporting. As they say on their site about themselves:

"It [World News & Features] provides the material to non-competing clients. Under its unique system, each PREMIER CLIENT can brand the material as "From Our Own Correspondent" or "From ABC - Special to ..." or some other agreed wording."

Wouldn't this be - err - misleading of their customer to do?

625 Dustyvet  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 7:38:07pm

Roseanne Barr: "Israel is a Nazi state"

Well there's another TV show, I won't watch anymore...

626 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 7:38:14pm

re: #617 Outrider

ahh you might have missed the affair then. The Rangers were tac nuked at an assembly area just prior to the raid. I was on the team that found them (actually they landed in the next clearing and we reported it) and called for a fire mission. The ump came right up to our position later that night and notified us we had been killed by friendly fire that had called in a tac nuke on the Ranger Batt. I actually got a certificate stating I had called in fire danger close in order to save the Division Cdr. ROFL

That pretty much describes the real operation, including our portion of it. Was the batt actually there? As far as I know, all of us were on that LST or whatever the hell it was.

/I loath Jimmah. I really do.

627 Promethea  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 7:38:33pm

re: #336 Dustyvet

Something that nags at my heart, is considering Hamas Propaganda. Is how many of these photographs, and video's of dead children that Hamas has claimed where killed by the IDF. Is how many of these children where in fact murdered by Hamas, I wonder just what an autopsy and forensics would really show,

The Chicago Tribune today gave large casualty numbers--I'd have to get up to find them, but who cares?! The point is that the numbers were totally meaningless since the Tribune never even suggested the possibility that Hamas forced many of those dead children to be human shields. I've seen a few videos on the web showing Hamas pushing or dragging children around as shields.

The Chicago Tribune is a vicious rag, and I look forward to its death. The only newspaper I will ever possibly subscribe to is the Wall Street Journal. I hope they stay honest.

628 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 7:40:03pm

re: #616 OldLineTexan

Just your ass? Man, you are missing parts.

/

Heh. Let's just say the medic on the scene proved to be much better than he looked (I thought the guy was a dirt bag... oops), but he only had so much to work with.

/It's a nice shiny set of cheeks I have, tho'

629 MandyManners  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 7:40:43pm

Why hasn't Hamas been mocked in song and fauxtography the same way Hizzballah has been?

630 Dustyvet  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 7:40:43pm

Jimmy Carter: "Israel using disproportionate force in Gaza"


Up Yours Jimmy...

631 ggt  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 7:40:50pm

re: #587 SteveC

*crackle* Lizard in the Blizzard, we're enroute with blankets, mittens, a Hot Toddy and a tailwarmer. What's your position, over?

On the couch; to the left of the dog, and near the fireplace. What is your ETA?

632 morning star  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 7:41:09pm

OK, now I found out something interesting.

Mads Gilbert comes from Tromsø, and there seems to be a special partnership between this city and Gaza:

"Det var i januar 2001 at kommunestyret vedtok å opprette vennskapsforbindelse med Gaza kommune etter at Tromsø hadde mottatt hilsener fra ordføreren i Gaza med ønske om at det ble inngått forbindelse mellom våre to kommuner."
[Link: www.tromso.kommune.no...]

Just in October 2008 a delegation from Tromsø travelled to Gaza, where they met with ASHRAF MASHHARAWI:

"3. Filmprosjekt med Ashraf Mashharawi.
Som referert fra forrige styremøte tar vi sikte på å søke om å få midler til å
gjennomføre filmprosjektet med Ashraf i 2009.
I forbindelse med at Christiane besøker Gaza forsøker vi å få til et møte der hun kan snakke med Ashraf om hvilke muligheter vi ser for oss."
[Link: www.tromso-gaza.no...]

Rough translation (I speak Swedish but not Norwegian, so I don't understand every word): "3. Film project with Ashraf Mashharawi. As has been reported [?] at the last meeting, we will see that we can get means to conduct the film project with Ashraf in 2009. In addition to Christiane's visit in Gaza we will try to arrange a meeting at which she can talk with Ashraf about the possibilities we see."

633 David IV of Georgia  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 7:41:23pm

re: #630 Dustyvet

Jimmy Carter: "Israel using disproportionate force in Gaza"

Up Yours Jimmy...

I hope Jimmy is right for once.

634 Outrider  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 7:41:24pm

re: #626 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

That pretty much describes the real operation, including our portion of it. Was the batt actually there? As far as I know, all of us were on that LST or whatever the hell it was.

/I loath Jimmah. I really do.

Yeah they were there. I remember being surrounded by them on post as they were rocking our jeep when they found out we had burned them.

Maybe this will refresh something. The Rangers had assaulted the CEWI unit and butt stroked one of the kids there. Then took off with a real world TS/SI document. The Ranger team was put in isolation until the document was recovered.

Anything yet?

635 Dustyvet  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 7:42:00pm

re: #630 Dustyvet

Jimmy Carter: "Israel using disproportionate force in Gaza"

Up Yours Jimmy...

Hamas Loving cockaroach that you are...

636 formercorpsman  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 7:42:36pm

re: #624 desdichado

Yes, you read my mind. Furthermore, you would think CNN wuld at least question this aspect alone.

Even funnier, right out in the open, the boast of having Peter Arnett on their team.

Peter Arnett was fired by more one news organization, of course one of them being CNN.

637 faraway  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 7:42:49pm

Here's my problem with all this.

Charles and others worry about their reputations regarding things like birth certificates.

Then, CNN puts up and keeps propaganda videos for terrorists. They are thumbing their nose at you.

MSNBC, every day (especially tonight), talks about war crimes trials for our sitting President and Vice President.

I think we are at a turning point here. The enemy is not playing by our rules.

We need to realize what's happening, and fight.

638 unclassifiable  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 7:43:12pm

re: #604 faraway

I am not sure. If CNN ignores this, it makes Charles look like a barking chihuahua. LGF has many readers, but not compared to the MSM onslaught.

We need a way to escalate these issues.

Fire rockets indiscriminately at CNN headquarters? I got that idea from some guys in the Middle East. Now let's see. Who were those guys? Hmmmm. Drawing a blank. Just wait. It will come to me.

639 ggt  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 7:43:16pm

re: #596 ArmyWife

I am a standing proud honco. Actually, I am a going to bed honco. I am starting to feel oddly achy in my joints and neck, I just sneezed and it really hurt my head. I am not liking the direction this is going!

ooooh, get some rest and feel better!

640 jwb7605  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 7:43:44pm

re: #630 Dustyvet

Jimmy Carter: "Israel using disproportionate force in Gaza"

Up Yours Jimmy...

jwb7605: "Carter using disproportionate stupidity while awake"

Guards!

641 dan  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 7:44:54pm

re: #583 faraway

I absolutely guarantee that they will never win with anyone who has seen this video and has also been through CPR training. I've been certified numerous times over the years. The techniques have changed somewhat since the early 80s, but never, and I mean NEVER, has it ever been a valid CPR technique to massage a 12-year-old's chest gently with the fingertips. Based on this video, they're probably not even giving enough pressure for an infant, and it's COMPLETELY in the wrong region. I'm not a doctor, but I could do a heck of a lot better than that clown was doing.

Contrary to what I've heard some people say about this, it is actually valid not to breathe the victim after the initial discovery (though I doubt it hurts, because it used to be taught that way)...but that's emergency CPR by a non-professional upon discovering the victim. This is a hospital, and I have to believe they would respire anybody receiving CPR. Air is good.

642 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 7:44:54pm

re: #634 Outrider

Yeah they were there. I remember being surrounded by them on post as they were rocking our jeep when they found out we had burned them.

Maybe this will refresh something. The Rangers had assaulted the CEWI unit and butt stroked one of the kids there. Then took off with a real world TS/SI document. The Ranger team was put in isolation until the document was recovered.

Anything yet?

Nope, sorry. The only "activity" I remember that directly dealt with the 9 ID had something to so with some stupid club on base a Ranger got beat up at... and about 30 of us decided to stage a sit-in there to "show" we could go there or something like that.

The highlight of the night, for me, was needing to take a piss and standing up, whereupon some Ranger NCO slammed me down in my seat and yelled some stuff at me. He thought I was getting up to "start" something.

643 MandyManners  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 7:45:16pm

re: #629 MandyManners

Why hasn't Hamas been mocked in song and fauxtography the same way Hizzballah has been?

Youtube Video

Youtube Video

Where is that fauxtograph of Nasrallah in a bikini?

644 Last Mohican  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 7:45:42pm

re: #563 PeterLorre

It's amazing how many different fields of expertise are represented here on LGF.

Can I ask your opinion on a few elements of the video? Can you make anything of what's on the monitor screen when Dr. Gilbert points at it? The fake-compressions guy says "flatline," and then Gilbert responds by pointing and saying "extreme bradycardia." I can't see if there's really a flat tracing or not, but it seems to me that that, if there were a detectable heart rate, there'd be a big number displaying it. I see a flashing question mark, indicating no detectable something or other, but I can't tell if that's no detectable heart rate, no respiratory rate, no O2 sat, or what. Any thoughts?

Also, what do you make of "extreme bradycardia"? The compressions guy, if he's a real caregiver, should know asystole when he sees it. Why does he appear to disagree with Gilbert about what the rhythm is? And would anyone actually stop coding a child with a rhythm that could be described as "extreme bradycardia," rather than giving more atropine and trying some more? I've seen codes called when there's still some disorganized electrical activity on the monitor, but never with anything that I'd call "extreme bradycardia."

645 SteveC  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 7:45:49pm

re: #609 Truck Monkey

Checked into a hotel last week and as I was at the counter I asked if I could get the Pr0n disabled. The clerk was shocked and looked right through me and retorted: "You sick f*ck, we only have the regular Pr0n!"

What's the deal with disabled porn? (SFW)

Nebraska Gov. Says State Workers Shouldn’t Help Disabled Buy Porn (SFW)

646 Steve  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 7:46:01pm

re: #612 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

Thank you both... a medivac saved my ass once.

Did you get it back from the Medivac?

647 CynicalConservative  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 7:46:11pm

re: #643 MandyManners

Where is that fauxtograph of Nasrallah in a bikini?

Ugh! I just ate...

648 Dustyvet  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 7:46:27pm

re: #640 jwb7605

jwb7605: "Carter using disproportionate stupidity while awake"

Guards!

[Link: www.militarymuseum.org...]

649 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 7:46:54pm

re: #646 Steve

Did you get it back from the Medivac?

Yes, they are honest guys. ;-)

650 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 7:47:08pm

re: #640 jwb7605

jwb7605: "Carter using disproportionate stupidity while awake"

Guards!

Carter is a disgrace to the US.
The question is, will 0bama be a worse disgrace?

651 faraway  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 7:47:08pm

re: #641 dan

Dan, this is the problem. We know the video is fake. But, we just keep barking and barking. There is no longer a need to try to explain ourselves.

What is the next step?

CNN has drawn a line in the sand.

652 jwb7605  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 7:47:21pm

re: #637 faraway

Here's my problem with all this.

Charles and others worry about their reputations regarding things like birth certificates.

Then, CNN puts up and keeps propaganda videos for terrorists. They are thumbing their nose at you.

MSNBC, every day (especially tonight), talks about war crimes trials for our sitting President and Vice President.

I think we are at a turning point here. The enemy is not playing by our rules.

We need to realize what's happening, and fight.


There was another video (big boom explosion) that was analyzed and declared "authentic". Might have been same evening, but maybe not.

Charles will eventually get one wrong, but I like his research and objectivity.
(No offense, Charles, just cosmic law or something).

653 Dustyvet  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 7:47:38pm

re: #649 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

Yes, they are honest guys. ;-)

There went another key board...:)

654 CynicalConservative  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 7:47:41pm

re: #650 Kosh's Shadow

Carter is a disgrace to the US.
The question is, will 0bama be a worse disgrace?

Ummm, yes.

655 Outrider  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 7:47:43pm

re: #642 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

Nope, sorry. The only "activity" I remember that directly dealt with the 9 ID had something to so with some stupid club on base a Ranger got beat up at... and about 30 of us decided to stage a sit-in there to "show" we could go there or something like that.

The highlight of the night, for me, was needing to take a piss and standing up, whereupon some Ranger NCO slammed me down in my seat and yelled some stuff at me. He thought I was getting up to "start" something.

Dang. Oh well, I don't guess it's important enough to go out into that wilderness I laughingly refer to as a garage and try to find the file. It was a good time anyway. Maybe you were advanced party and the rest of the batt worked the exercise?

Maybe I had an interlude while in hide position. ;-)>

656 Alberta Oil Peon  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 7:48:28pm

What kind of bogus Norwegian would call himself "Mads Gilbert"? No Norwegian worth his lutefisk would be anything other than a Rasmussen, or something like that.

I'm willing to bet that "Doctor" Gilbert is actually a Jew from Normandy, France, working for the Mossad, and who's mission is to kill, not save jihadis brought into the hospital. All the while making a great show of "trying" to save them. This video is just his way of showing management that he's on the scene, and doing his good work.

Let's face it, when Hamas brings in all these moonbat "volunteers", it's a heaven-sent opportunity for Mossad to slip in a few ringers.

/ (do I have to)

657 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 7:48:39pm

re: #650 Kosh's Shadow

Carter is a disgrace to the US.
The question is, will 0bama be a worse disgrace?

Don't remind me know... I'm busy recalling how it was under Carter at the moment.

658 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 7:48:53pm

re: #657 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

Know = now. Duh.

659 Dustyvet  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 7:48:54pm

re: #650 Kosh's Shadow

Carter is a disgrace to the US.
The question is, will 0bama be a worse disgrace?

That would appear to be a given...

660 MandyManners  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 7:49:06pm

re: #647 CynicalConservative

Ugh! I just ate...

I have it somewhere.

661 Outrider  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 7:49:25pm

re: #652 jwb7605

There was another video (big boom explosion) that was analyzed and declared "authentic". Might have been same evening, but maybe not.

Charles will eventually get one wrong, but I like his research and objectivity.
(No offense, Charles, just cosmic law or something).

I don't think this is the "wrong" one though.

662 hous bin pharteen  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 7:49:27pm

How many should we order before they sell out?
[Link: www.cafepress.com...]
(the bumper stickers. Not CNN. They already sold out YEARS ago!)

663 LGoPs  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 7:49:48pm

re: #630 Dustyvet

Jimmy Carter: "Israel using disproportionate force in Gaza"


Up Yours Jimmy...

What a disgrace Carter is. At the very least, as an ex-miltary officer he should have the grace and dignity to STFU once he stepped down. He had his turn and we're still paying the price for his bad decision-making.

"Lead, Follow or Get the Hell out of the Way" - words he should learn to live by...........batsard.

664 MandyManners  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 7:50:02pm

Seriously, why hasn't Hamas been mocked as Hizballah has been mocked?

665 CynicalConservative  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 7:50:15pm

re: #660 MandyManners

I have it somewhere.

This would be the MandyManners weight control program for CC?

;-)

666 mcnorman  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 7:50:20pm

re: #563 PeterLorre

Your opinion is very much welcomed. Yes, the assistant was "playing."
The chest compressions are better executed on television these days.

667 MandyManners  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 7:50:31pm

They're both supported by Iran.

668 LGoPs  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 7:51:16pm

PIMF.....Batsard = Bastard.

Although, I'm starting to like batsard better than bastard....
:)

669 MandyManners  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 7:51:18pm

re: #665 CynicalConservative

This would be the MandyManners weight control program for CC?

;-)

It's humor.

670 Last Mohican  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 7:51:51pm

re: #632 morning star

Wait, you're saying that, in October 2008, Mads Gilbert indicated that he planned to travel to Gaza and collaborate on a film project with Ashraf Mashharawi? Am I hearing you right?

I just took a screenshot of the first page, and saved the .pdf from the second. Because if I'm understanding this right, those pages are gonna be scrubbed with extreme prejudice, very soon.

671 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 7:51:53pm

re: #627 Promethea

The Chicago Tribune today gave large casualty numbers--I'd have to get up to find them, but who cares?! The point is that the numbers were totally meaningless since the Tribune never even suggested the possibility that Hamas forced many of those dead children to be human shields. I've seen a few videos on the web showing Hamas pushing or dragging children around as shields.

The Chicago Tribune is a vicious rag, and I look forward to its death. The only newspaper I will ever possibly subscribe to is the Wall Street Journal. I hope they stay honest.

I'm sorry, I can't agree with that. The Tribune did a lot of good reporting on Blago and they were instrumental in exposing the Hired Truck Scandal. They've done much to fight corruption in Chicago, and for that I wish instead that they will come to see the Hamas propaganda for what it is.

672 Dustyvet  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 7:51:57pm

re: #666 mcnorman

Your opinion is very much welcomed. Yes, the assistant was "playing."
The chest compressions are better executed on television these days.

I want my local VA hospital to hire Dr. House....

673 CynicalConservative  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 7:52:01pm

re: #669 MandyManners

It's humor.

I know, guess mine fell flat. I'll try harder next time :-(.

Good to see ya!

674 mcnorman  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 7:52:30pm

re: #576 Dar ul Harb

You're right...no worries about lawsuits.

675 jwb7605  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 7:53:27pm

re: #645 SteveC

What's the deal with disabled porn? (SFW)

Nebraska Gov. Says State Workers Shouldn’t Help Disabled Buy Porn (SFW)

Democrats in Nebraska are conservative. Worst case Democrat governor still had my respect, even while shacked up with Linda Ronstadt, while governor.
I have to agree with the governor (this one is Republican).

676 jwb7605  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 7:54:31pm

re: #661 Outrider

I don't think this is the "wrong" one though.

Me neither. Charles will remain perfect if, and only if, he quits taking on challenges of things that need to be challenged.

677 ploome hineni[deleted]  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 7:54:40pm
678 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 7:54:58pm

re: #655 Outrider

Dang. Oh well, I don't guess it's important enough to go out into that wilderness I laughingly refer to as a garage and try to find the file. It was a good time anyway. Maybe you were advanced party and the rest of the batt worked the exercise?

Maybe I had an interlude while in hide position. ;-)>

At my pay grade, the last thing I'd ever see was an advanced party. (E-2 and E-3 back then...)

I remember we were at Camp Ripley MN for arctic training (-30 outside) when the LT stuck his head into our tent and told us "Don't tell anyone, but we are on alert". This was when the whole hostage thing started. When we got back, all our gear in our lockers had been packed up and readied for shipment... somewhere.

As I recall, a bunch of my stuff never returned from that pack-up job.

Between that one and the ill-fated rescue, we went to Irwin (for the exercise I mentioned) and to something I recall being termed "the Huck Creek Mtn Ranger Camp" which was up in the mountains someplace. I have some great photos from those. Never a dull moment.

679 RememberSekhmet?  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 7:55:17pm

why do 2 strong mojitos with coconut rum convince me that I can sing like Lisa Gerrard of Dead Can Dance?

680 mcnorman  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 7:55:24pm

re: #586 taxfreekiller

I received an email stating that it came from a Chicago policeman.

681 ploome hineni[deleted]  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 7:55:26pm
682 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 7:55:58pm

re: #675 jwb7605

Democrats in Nebraska are conservative. Worst case Democrat governor still had my respect, even while shacked up with Linda Ronstadt, while governor.
I have to agree with the governor (this one is Republican).

As do I.

683 SteveC  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 7:56:09pm

re: #641 dan

The techniques have changed somewhat since the early 80s, but never, and I mean NEVER, has it ever been a valid CPR technique to massage a 12-year-old's chest gently with the fingertips.

Dr. Helen Taussig lost her hearing over the years, and taught herself how to interpret a heartbeat through touch. That's the only "fingertip examination" that ever made any sense.

Taussig's fingertip exam

684 OldLineTexan  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 7:56:12pm

re: #646 Steve

Did you get it back from the Medivac?

Yeah, but it had a hole in it and was cracked clean in half.

685 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 7:56:22pm

re: #672 Dustyvet

I want my local VA hospital to hire Dr. House....

Why? He almost kills every patient before figuring out everything he knows is wrong and treats them for the fungus infection they have.

686 morning star  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 7:57:04pm

And Mads Gilbert definitely knows this committee from Tromsø:

"2. Åpent medlemsmøte 19. november.*
Vi lager et åpent medlemsmøte 19. november. Siden Christiane ikke kom inn i Gaza blir det først og fremst Mads Gilbert som kan fortelle derfra, siden hans besøk i månedsskiftet oktober – november. Dessuten har Silje sagt at hun kan fortelle fra Tvibits besøk i sommer, og Christiane kan fortelle fra konferansen og markeringen på grensa til Gaza."
[Link: www.tromso-gaza.no...]

Is there anybody who understands Norwegian (and speaks English) better than I do? It seems that "Christine" didn't manage to enter Gaza so that Mads Gilbert was the one who told the others from a recent visit in Gaza at the meeting.

687 swamprat  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 7:57:34pm

"I'm not real Doctor, but I play one on a Pallywood video."

/don't buy this product

688 jwb7605  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 7:58:55pm

re: #675 jwb7605

Democrats in Nebraska are conservative. Worst case Democrat governor still had my respect, even while shacked up with Linda Ronstadt, while governor.
I have to agree with the governor (this one is Republican).

I need to revise and extend my remarks. Chuck Hagel. He is, however, doing the "honorable thing" and resigning.

Roughly zero chance he'll be governor. Nebraskans largely despise him.

689 Killian Bundy  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 7:59:37pm

Speculation in Washington is building that Democratic opposition to President-elect Barack Obama’s selection of CNN’s Sanjay Gupta as U.S. surgeon general is rooted in Gupta’s clash with another media figure — liberal documentarian Michael Moore.

/CNN’s Sanjay Gupta vs. Michael Moore

690 Last Mohican  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 7:59:52pm

re: #686 morning star

Whatever the hell this website is, I hope you're screenshotting and/or otherwise downloading and saving all of it. We can always find a translator later.

691 Archimedes  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 8:00:48pm

re: #562 Noam Sayin'

If at first you don't succeed, fail again.


LOL! that is funny!

692 Last Mohican  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 8:00:48pm

re: #683 SteveC

That is fascinating. I've heard of the Blalock-Taussig shunt, but never the Taussig fingertip exam.

693 Racer X  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 8:00:57pm

re: #679 RememberSekhmet?

why do 2 strong mojitos with coconut rum convince me that I can sing like Lisa Gerrard of Dead Can Dance?

Heh.

694 reine.de.tout  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 8:01:38pm

re: #670 Last Mohican

Wait, you're saying that, in October 2008, Mads Gilbert indicated that he planned to travel to Gaza and collaborate on a film project with Ashraf Mashharawi? Am I hearing you right?

I just took a screenshot of the first page, and saved the .pdf from the second. Because if I'm understanding this right, those pages are gonna be scrubbed with extreme prejudice, very soon.

I reported that comment as a "recommend". Maybe Charles has some way to get that translated properly.

695 notutopia  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 8:01:43pm

re: #632 morning star

Here is also a Norwegian translation from an article
featuring a bio on Mads on facebook. It has some relevant career biographical
info in it regarding his volunteerism to the Palestinians.
Mads Gilbert Gaza Facebook
[Link: www.facebook.com...]

696 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 8:02:08pm

re: #655 Outrider

I know... were you at Lewis when we lost our BC?

Died in a C-130 landing under NVG. They named a barracks after him (right now I'm drawing a blank on the name) at Camp Rudder in FL. The event actually happened after I left, I learned about it when I moved into the above named barracks as part of the FL Phase cadre.

697 MandyManners  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 8:02:15pm

re: #681 ploome hineni

my computer is very sluggish....takes forever for a page to lod

any suggestions?

SHOOT IT!

698 MandyManners  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 8:02:52pm

re: #681 ploome hineni

'Sup, pup?

699 mean Gene  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 8:03:03pm

re: #686 morning star

Go to Google search.
Look for ''more searches."
Pick the language and input the page.
Here's what came out for 1 page:

Friendship Tromsø - Gaza
Minutes of the Board 11 November 2008.
Presence: Inger Hilde Trandem, Christiane Kolberg, Stephen Jorstad, Knut Borud
(referrer).
1. Applications for support from Friendship North - South 2009, and 2008 reports.
See also the minutes of previous meeting. Inger Hilde submit applications, and makes clear
accounting and reporting for 2008. It appears that we can be satisfied with
activities in 2008, but this we will come back to the annual report. A project
with contact between Kulta and (partially) similar environment in Gaza can also be developed.
2. Open member 19 November .*
We create an open member 19 November. Since Christiane not come into Gaza
it is first and foremost Mads Gilbert who can tell from there, since his visit to
end of October to November. Additionally, Silje said that she can tell from
Tvibits visits in the summer, and Christiane can tell from the conference and the selection of
the border of Gaza.
Inger Hilde has investigated several meeting rooms, without finding something we were happy with.
Stephen thought it could be the basis for having the meeting in the LO-built extension of a
meeting of the AUF. Probable møtetid will be 19:00, or 20:00 if AUF not want to give
so much of his regular møtetid. Stephen checks with cooperation. Knut checks
opportunities to use the Inter Info at the meeting (backup solution). Inger Hilde coordinate
meeting preparation and leadership meeting. The order of speakers is Christiane (as
also can tell us briefly about the history of how it is now in Gaza),
Silje and Mads.
We call the meeting "Wrap the insulation of Gaza! Latest reports from Mads Gilbert, Silje
Ryvoll and Christiane Kolberg. "
Knut bearing a small electronic poster for the meeting, and send it to all members of the board, so that
it can be sent around to those we know, including Inter Info Network, Palkom and
International seminar. Inger Hilde order ad in the newspaper.
We will also ensure that there will be a little bit about the opportunity to become a member of Friendship
Tromsø - Gaza, and to be on our mailing list.
3. Friendship Schools in Gaza.
Elisabeth Saus Nature's initiative to Sommerlyst school, with a view to establish a
friendship school contact to Gaza (see previous minutes) has led to a successful meeting with
school, where they agreed to establish a friendship school contact. Nehal Afan will find
to an actual school. Eirin Rødseth international advisor in the community, participated in
meeting, and have agreed to coordinate school contacts.
We see that it is appropriate to help Tromstun to also get a friendship school, but
awaiting in the first instance that Nehal coming into Gaza (according to plan at the end of
November), before we follow up on this further.
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The part you posted said this:
"2 Open member November 19, .*
We create an open member 19 November. Since Christiane not come into Gaza, it is first and foremost Mads Gilbert who can tell from there, since his visit in late October to November. Additionally, Silje said that she can tell from Tvibits visits this summer, and Christiane can tell from the conference and the commemoration of the border to Gaza. "

700 jwb7605  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 8:03:48pm

re: #697 MandyManners

SHOOT IT!

Send it a strongly worded letter first.
Then resort to open threats.

Violence as a last resort, only!

701 formercorpsman  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 8:04:30pm

In the second video, I can't see where they have any of the wires attached to the leads.

Notice when he signals for the cardioversion paddles.

702 Shay4l  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 8:04:46pm

Good evening all, it's been a long week, many hours worked.

The fact that Mads is in this travesty is proof enough to me that it's staged. He's deranged by his hatred.

703 Outrider  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 8:05:06pm

re: #678 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

At my pay grade, the last thing I'd ever see was an advanced party. (E-2 and E-3 back then...)

I remember we were at Camp Ripley MN for arctic training (-30 outside) when the LT stuck his head into our tent and told us "Don't tell anyone, but we are on alert". This was when the whole hostage thing started. When we got back, all our gear in our lockers had been packed up and readied for shipment... somewhere.

As I recall, a bunch of my stuff never returned from that pack-up job.

Between that one and the ill-fated rescue, we went to Irwin (for the exercise I mentioned) and to something I recall being termed "the Huck Creek Mtn Ranger Camp" which was up in the mountains someplace. I have some great photos from those. Never a dull moment.

Yup. Although some of it didn't seem so great then. Time has a way of leaving the good things and putting the not so good away. (except for horrible stuff-disclaimer)

704 mcnorman  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 8:05:17pm

re: #672 Dustyvet

Yes, that crusty curmudgeon works the magic with his economy of words.

705 SteveC  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 8:06:17pm

re: #692 Last Mohican

That is fascinating. I've heard of the Blalock-Taussig shunt, but never the Taussig fingertip exam.

Taussig is my hero! She examined me when I went to Johns Hopkins for my first surgery in 1967! :)

I don't remember it, I was five months old. I probably just spit up on her.

706 Dar ul Harb  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 8:06:17pm

I begin to sense a disturbance in the blogosphere that I haven't felt since Rathergate...

707 MandyManners  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 8:06:26pm

re: #700 jwb7605

Send it a strongly worded letter first.
Then resort to open threats.

Violence as a last resort, only!

You forgot the brownies and (soy) milk.

708 rawmuse  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 8:06:46pm

re: #569 SteveC

"Allahu akbar" must mean "Here I come to f*ck you up!" That's the only thing I can figure.

Me too, seeing as it is always followed by some stupid and dangerous act on the part of the akbarrer.

709 SteveC  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 8:07:12pm

re: #684 OldLineTexan

Yeah, but it had a hole in it and was cracked clean in half.

Do you still have the receipt? Take it back!

710 swamprat  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 8:07:22pm

re: #693 Racer X

double heh

711 elenamarie  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 8:07:47pm

Good Evening--

I couldn't bring myself to watch the extended version--I'm a mom and it'll give me nightmares--but about that scene in the abbreviated version:

The filmer is supposed to be the kid's big brother, right? He isn't crying, isn't praying, isn't talking to the kid, the camera isn't shaking as he silently sobs, he's just standing there with a camera doing his zoom-in thing? Just from a human being standpoint this doesn't add up.

Either he's a cold-blooded bastard or this video is pure excrement. I guess it's a toss-up considering. . ..

712 Last Mohican  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 8:08:12pm

re: #694 reine.de.tout

Good idea. I just did the same. We should make sure we grab everything we can from that site while it's still there.

It sort of looks like somebody, maybe the famous Christiane, was planning a film project with Ashraf Whatshisname for 2009. But there's no mention of Mads Gilbert in that document as far as I can tell.

713 Shay4l  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 8:08:36pm

OT I have to say that nailing those two Kenyans in Pakistan with a Hellfire missile gets 2 thumbs up.

Considering how conspicuous 2 Kenyans in Pakistan must be I wonder how long they've been watching with whom they meet and where they travel?

714 Dar ul Harb  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 8:08:50pm

CNN stringers are busy out searching for the "real doctors"...

715 Outrider  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 8:08:52pm

re: #696 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

I know... were you at Lewis when we lost our BC?

Died in a C-130 landing under NVG. They named a barracks after him (right now I'm drawing a blank on the name) at Camp Rudder in FL. The event actually happened after I left, I learned about it when I moved into the above named barracks as part of the FL Phase cadre.

I didn't hear of that, but I was deployed out behind the 9th Div DISCOM most of the time so I heard almost nothing of what went on real world.

716 bosforus  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 8:09:03pm
Martin said accusations that Mashharawi owns a company that hosts Hamas Web sites were falsely based on Mashharawi having worked at a company that created the PS suffix to allow anyone of any political persuasion to create Palestinian Web sites.

I believe this was the initial find of Killgore. For what it's worth, congrats, Killgore, on making it into a CNN story!

717 Promethea  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 8:09:33pm

re: #464 Mauser

If this video is "real" then the Norwegian Medical Association should pull his license to practice on the basis of incompetence.

If he stands to lose that, we'll quickly find out how real this is....

Bingo! I'm always disgusted by Norwegian arrogance toward Israelis. Maybe there are some good Norwegians reading LGF, but the ones who think they're helping humanity by supporting Palestinian insanity need a comeuppance. Here's where Norwegians have a chance to actually do some good. Pull this horrible "doctor's" license.

718 astronmr20  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 8:09:46pm

re: #681 ploome hineni

my computer is very sluggish....takes forever for a page to lod

any suggestions?

Save for a mac.

719 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 8:10:13pm

re: #703 Outrider

Yup. Although some of it didn't seem so great then. Time has a way of leaving the good things and putting the not so good away. (except for horrible stuff-disclaimer)

You're not suggesting my memory is blocking out the horrible memory of my battalion getting nuked by some pukes from leg-land, are you?

/But I do have a very clear memory of the USMC trying to defend against our airlanding raid by parking a firetruck in front of our C-130 when we were egressing their, now totaled airbase. I also recall that they armed me with something called the M202 Flash for that one, something I had never heard of before (or since) and still have no clue how to work.

720 reine.de.tout  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 8:10:21pm

re: #712 Last Mohican

Good idea. I just did the same. We should make sure we grab everything we can from that site while it's still there.

It sort of looks like somebody, maybe the famous Christiane, was planning a film project with Ashraf Whatshisname for 2009. But there's no mention of Mads Gilbert in that document as far as I can tell.

See 699;

Mads is mentioned; and "Christiane" appears to be a "Christiane Kohlberg".

721 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 8:10:34pm

re: #706 Dar ul Harb

I begin to sense a disturbance in the blogosphere that I haven't felt since Rathergate...

You are sensing the fear from the impending inauguration of the Sith Lord Darth Bama.

722 Shay4l  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 8:10:49pm

re: #711 elenamarie

Good Evening--

I couldn't bring myself to watch the extended version--I'm a mom and it'll give me nightmares--but about that scene in the abbreviated version:

The filmer is supposed to be the kid's big brother, right? He isn't crying, isn't praying, isn't talking to the kid, the camera isn't shaking as he silently sobs, he's just standing there with a camera doing his zoom-in thing? Just from a human being standpoint this doesn't add up.

Either he's a cold-blooded bastard or this video is pure excrement. I guess it's a toss-up considering. . ..

pure excrement

723 morning star  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 8:10:57pm

re: #670 Last Mohican

Wait, you're saying that, in October 2008, Mads Gilbert indicated that he planned to travel to Gaza and collaborate on a film project with Ashraf Mashharawi? Am I hearing you right?

I don't know yet if he personally planned to collaborate on this project, but he is obviously kows the people who planned this and is a member of their group.

724 reine.de.tout  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 8:11:03pm

re: #712 Last Mohican

Good idea. I just did the same. We should make sure we grab everything we can from that site while it's still there.

It sort of looks like somebody, maybe the famous Christiane, was planning a film project with Ashraf Whatshisname for 2009. But there's no mention of Mads Gilbert in that document as far as I can tell.

I don't know how to do a "screen shot".

725 Racer X  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 8:11:04pm

re: #710 swamprat

It's Bad You Know

726 Archimedes  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 8:11:06pm

re: #700 jwb7605

Send it a strongly worded letter first.
Then resort to open threats.

Violence as a last resort, only!

Or, shoot first and ask questions later. Just passing on another philosophy.

727 astronmr20  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 8:11:19pm

re: #721 Dark_Falcon

You are sensing the fear from the impending inauguration of the Sith Lord Darth Bama.

It was as if a million blogs cried out in agony, then... silence.

728 MandyManners  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 8:11:22pm

re: #711 elenamarie

Good Evening--

I couldn't bring myself to watch the extended version--I'm a mom and it'll give me nightmares--but about that scene in the abbreviated version:

The filmer is supposed to be the kid's big brother, right? He isn't crying, isn't praying, isn't talking to the kid, the camera isn't shaking as he silently sobs, he's just standing there with a camera doing his zoom-in thing? Just from a human being standpoint this doesn't add up.

Either he's a cold-blooded bastard or this video is pure excrement. I guess it's a toss-up considering. . ..

Welcome.

It breaks my heart.

But, I recover when I realize that this is just another battle in the war between Islam and Humanity.

729 WindHorse  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 8:11:41pm

I disconnected my TV cable connection in 1997.

I haven't watched CNN since...

It makes me feel like fresh laundry blowing in the summer breeze...
(thanks to Kids in the Hall).

730 gmsc  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 8:12:14pm

re: #721 Dark_Falcon

You are sensing the fear from the impending inauguration of the Sith Lord Darth Bama.

Are you calling him a dark lord? Racist!


/////////////////////////////////////

(How do libs say things like that with a straight face?)

731 Last Mohican  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 8:12:31pm

re: #701 formercorpsman

In the second video, I can't see where they have any of the wires attached to the leads.

Notice when he signals for the cardioversion paddles.

You mean Gilbert? I think he's asking for ECG lead stickers, which the guy on the right then gives him, and he applies them to the patient's chest. One of the points I made in a previous thread is that I don't see a defibrillator anywhere, and nobody would run a code without a defibrillator right by the patient. There's a machine on the right (i.e. patient's left) that might be one, but it doesn't have any any paddles on it. I think it might be a ventilator.

As for the wires not being attached to the leads, I think you can actually see the little splitter box that has one big cable running up to the monitor coming out one side, and many little wires that are supposed to go to the ECG leads coming out the other side. It's hanging directly below the monitor, i.e. the wires are not hooked up to the patient. At least I think that's what it is -- I'm not sure.

732 jaunte  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 8:13:07pm

Cristiane Kohlberg mentioned here. We need a Norwegian reader:
[Link: www.tromso-gaza.no...]

733 RememberSekhmet?  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 8:13:37pm

I think I would trust Doctor Who over Doctor Mads.

734 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 8:13:57pm

re: #727 astronmr20

It was as if a million blogs cried out in agony, then... silence.

So the Fairness Doctrine is the Death Star?

Stay on Target!

735 reine.de.tout  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 8:14:02pm

re: #732 jaunte

Cristiane Kohlberg mentioned here. We need a Norwegian reader:
[Link: www.tromso-gaza.no...]

See 699 if you haven't already.

736 Outrider  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 8:14:05pm

re: #719 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

You're not suggesting my memory is blocking out the horrible memory of my battalion getting nuked by some pukes from leg-land, are you?

/But I do have a very clear memory of the USMC trying to defend against our airlanding raid by parking a firetruck in front of our C-130 when we were egressing their, now totaled airbase. I also recall that they armed me with something called the M202 Flash for that one, something I had never heard of before (or since) and still have no clue how to work.

easy with leg land now. My teamates were all jumpers although only half were Ranger tabbed (not me), although the cannon cockers were legs. ;-)>

737 jwb7605  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 8:14:21pm

re: #713 Shay4l

OT I have to say that nailing those two Kenyans in Pakistan with a Hellfire missile gets 2 thumbs up.

Considering how conspicuous 2 Kenyans in Pakistan must be I wonder how long they've been watching with whom they meet and where they travel?

COMPLETELY OT response
Did you know that Apache (I think that's the tribe...) Indians are barred from 10K races? Happened a long time ago, before PC, etc., because of the physical/heritage advantages.

Kenyans, of course, are not. Guess what nationality almost always wins?

I was told that by a trainer when preparing for the Bolder Boulder 10K. I asked the question "How come I never see any southwestern Indians. You'd think they'd smoke us white guys, and give the Kenyans a real run for their money, if they didn't beat them outright".

738 astronmr20  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 8:14:22pm

re: #734 Dark_Falcon

So the Fairness Doctrine is the Death Star?

Stay on Target!

Indeed.

739 lifeofthemind  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 8:14:22pm

Is it possible on some level, going into conspiracy mode here, that CNN has put out a video of a real death they re-filmed to draw criticism so they could sucker punch us? Try to get something they could use to charge Charles with defamation?

740 Chip Designer  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 8:14:31pm

Would a Palestinian hospital even have access to a defibrillator?

741 astronmr20  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 8:15:07pm

re: #734 Dark_Falcon

So the Fairness Doctrine is the Death Star?

Stay on Target!

(Fjordmann was Porkins...)

742 Last Mohican  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 8:15:39pm

re: #720 reine.de.tout

True, Mads appears to be a member of this little gang, along with Christiane, Knut, et al. And the gang is planning some sort of a film project with Ashraf Mashharawi. That's quite incriminating in and of itself -- it implies that Mads maybe wasn't just the doc who was randomly on duty in the ER at the time when Ashraf's brother was unexpectedly killed by the world's smallest missile.

743 reine.de.tout  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 8:15:55pm

re: #739 lifeofthemind

Is it possible on some level, going into conspiracy mode here, that CNN has put out a video of a real death they re-filmed to draw criticism so they could sucker punch us? Try to get something they could use to charge Charles with defamation?

So ... the old, "the events are real, even if the documentation isn't" argument?

744 swamprat  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 8:16:39pm

re: #725 Racer X

OK, this is smooth.

745 HoosierHoops  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 8:16:50pm

Good Evening Lizards!
CNN cracks me up...Were is that Peter Garnett character when you need him?

746 reine.de.tout  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 8:16:54pm

re: #742 Last Mohican

True, Mads appears to be a member of this little gang, along with Christiane, Knut, et al. And the gang is planning some sort of a film project with Ashraf Mashharawi. That's quite incriminating in and of itself -- it implies that Mads maybe wasn't just the doc who was randomly on duty in the ER at the time when Ashraf's brother was unexpectedly killed by the world's smallest missile.

Having also apparently (from the info earlier) just finished up with some sort of "film project".

747 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 8:16:58pm

re: #736 Outrider

easy with leg land now. My teamates were all jumpers although only half were Ranger tabbed (not me), although the cannon cockers were legs. ;-)>

No individual offense intended. What kind of outfit were you in?

Another one of my customers commanded some goofy corps-level LRRP platoon in Europe. Graduated both US and German Ranger schools. Very bizarre unit with loads of funding.

748 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 8:17:07pm

re: #733 RememberSekhmet?

I think I would trust Doctor Who over Doctor Mads.

I'd trust Dr. Bunsen Honedew over Dr. Mads

749 MandyManners  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 8:17:10pm

Yeah. Helen Hunt's heaving bosoms are more important than the reality of residential construction.

750 Shay4l  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 8:17:13pm

re: #737 jwb7605

COMPLETELY OT response
Did you know that Apache (I think that's the tribe...) Indians are barred from 10K races? Happened a long time ago, before PC, etc., because of the physical/heritage advantages.

Kenyans, of course, are not. Guess what nationality almost always wins?

I was told that by a trainer when preparing for the Bolder Boulder 10K. I asked the question "How come I never see any southwestern Indians. You'd think they'd smoke us white guys, and give the Kenyans a real run for their money, if they didn't beat them outright".

Maybe we should send them to Pakistan

751 formercorpsman  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 8:17:45pm

Couple more things.

IIRC, they were also claiming he lost a foot in this accident. If you look at the 3rd video, at the 22 second mark, you can see both legs. The right leg is not as well visualized as the left, but you see some of it. It has something brown around it, and the distally you can see something that looks like skin.

I have been doing orthopedics for 19 years. I have seen more than more fair share of trauma, and amputations. (PA/trauma hospital/all ortho)

The one thing about high energy trauma, is it is a bloody mess. In fact this would be the area of major exsanguination. I don't see anything that even closely resembles to what I have had experience with. Second, this kid would have some fluid going, a catheter, etc. (Albeit, this is my experience in this country)

Second, stop at the 24 second mark. Look at the relationship of the fat guy's hand placement relative to the left armpit. Way off.

Keep picking this apart folks.

752 Shay4l  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 8:17:56pm

re: #734 Dark_Falcon

So the Fairness Doctrine is the Death Star?

Stay on Target!

I'll let Red Team go first....

753 OldLineTexan  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 8:17:57pm

re: #732 jaunte

Cristiane Kohlberg mentioned here. We need a Norwegian reader:
[Link: www.tromso-gaza.no...]

It involves a strongly-worded letter insisting that Israel allow humanitarian aid into Gaza. But the machine translator was pretty bad...

754 deadmaus  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 8:19:14pm

I call bullshit, look at the 'doctor' on the right giving CPR, his whole body is going up and down but his hands are staying still. He only knows how to do CPR from watching TV lol.

Once again the Paliwood propaganda machine is in full swing.

755 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 8:19:17pm

re: #741 astronmr20

(Fjordmann was Porkins...)

LOL, though I'd put Fjordmann as one of the Y-Wing pilots. At least Porkins got a good fighter.

756 Shay4l  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 8:19:19pm

re: #750 Shay4l

Maybe we should send them to Pakistan

ooops, forgot the rest of the Completely OT Response

So they can run down the Kenyans.

757 jwb7605  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 8:19:28pm

re: #750 Shay4l

Maybe we should send them to Pakistan

Ira Hayes.
He was Pima, but close enough.

758 captain joe  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 8:19:42pm

No sense in continuing chest compressions on someone with a flat line for the last five minutes

759 reine.de.tout  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 8:20:26pm

Good night all.
Continuing headache from hell carried over from yesterday, gonna try to go sleep it away.

760 MandyManners  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 8:20:32pm

Wanna' talk about a doctor?

I gotcher' doctor right here.

761 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 8:20:43pm

re: #756 Shay4l

ooops, forgot the rest of the Completely OT Response

So they can run down the Kenyans.

Nobody can run down a Kenyan. I did three marathons at the regular warp speed of 5 hours or worse. They do it in two.

/freaking androids.

762 HoosierHoops  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 8:20:55pm

re: #758 captain joe

No sense in continuing chest compressions on someone with a flat line for the last five minutes

You keep on filming..you never know when you will get the money shot

763 lifeofthemind  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 8:21:11pm

re: #743 reine.de.tout

So ... the old, "the events are real, even if the documentation isn't" argument?

Not exactly but I think that Charles has real enemies who will do everything they can to create liabilities for him, just as they deliberately create liabilities for the Israelis by shooting from the UNRWA property.

764 formercorpsman  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 8:21:42pm

re: #731 Last Mohican

I know, it is tough to make out. Nice editing.

I was talking about the point where he is passed the lead from the other guy. It then cuts to another segment where it shows the doctor holding his hands in the air, gesturing for the paddles.

I keep trying to find stuff in it. You know in your gut, I know in mine, this is not what I am used to in a trauma bay.

765 Outrider  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 8:22:38pm

re: #747 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

No individual offense intended. What kind of outfit were you in?

Another one of my customers commanded some goofy corps-level LRRP platoon in Europe. Graduated both US and German Ranger schools. Very bizarre unit with loads of funding.

we were much the same thing at Division level. Remember at that time the Army had done away with LRRPs in a blinding flash of stupid. After a year or so, Division Commanders realized they needed this asset so they created them out of hide. We had the advantage in 1978 as there were still many VN vets who were trained and experience recon vets. They asked for jumpers, Rangers preferred. I was a jumper and Pathfinder so was accepted even though I had no tab.

On a related note; the Army has had this blinding flash of stupids again and pulled the Long Range Surveillance units back to Corps leaving Divisions with nothing again. I suspect, if the Army is flexible enough, they will again pull soldiers out of hide and create a "ghost" company.

766 formercorpsman  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 8:23:11pm

re: #740 Chip Designer

They kept Arafat going at least 30 years past his expiration date, so I think it might be possible.

767 Dar ul Harb  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 8:23:54pm

re: #755 Dark_Falcon

"We bullseyed that Womp Rather in our LGF 2k4 at home, and his ego wasn't much bigger than 4 meters...."

...stay on target...

768 David IV of Georgia  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 8:23:58pm

re: #758 captain joe

No sense in continuing chest compressions on someone with a flat line for the last five minutes

My grandmother revived twice after over 45 minutes of flatline and having a death certificate filled out—but such is beyond the reach of medicine.

769 Shay4l  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 8:24:16pm

re: #761 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

Nobody can run down a Kenyan. I did three marathons at the regular warp speed of 5 hours or worse. They do it in two.

/freaking androids.

Maybe they should have to carry weights.

770 MarineGrunt  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 8:24:30pm

By chance, did that doctor stay at the Holiday Inn last night.

771 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 8:24:47pm

re: #767 Dar ul Harb

"We bullseyed that Womp Rather in our LGF 2k4 at home, and his ego wasn't much bigger than 4 meters...."

...stay on target...

ROTFLMAO!

772 x-wing  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 8:24:50pm

re: #749 MandyManners

LOL. you got me hook, line and sinker.

Cool tune.

773 JacksonTn  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 8:25:12pm

OT - Secretary of State will sign off on Burris ....

[Link: www.politico.com...]

774 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 8:25:20pm

re: #766 formercorpsman

They kept Arafat going at least 30 years past his expiration date, so I think it might be possible.

Remember, it was Carter that convinced the world Arafat wasn't a terrorist.

775 Killian Bundy  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 8:25:28pm

re: #719 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

something called the M202 Flash

/M202A1 Flame Assault Shoulder Weapon (Flash)

776 Racer X  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 8:26:01pm
777 lifeofthemind  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 8:26:14pm

re: #774 Kosh's Shadow

Remember, it was Carter that convinced the world Arafat wasn't a terrorist.

I'm still in this world and he sure as hell didn't convince me.

778 Last Mohican  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 8:26:43pm

re: #746 reine.de.tout

I thought it said that they were planning a film project for 2009?

779 Outrider  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 8:26:48pm

re: #775 Killian Bundy

/M202A1 Flame Assault Shoulder Weapon (Flash)

that puppy is 26 lbs loaded. crap.

780 gmsc  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 8:26:57pm

re: #748 Kosh's Shadow

I'd trust Dr. Bunsen Honedew over Dr. Mads

I trust a witch doctor over Dr. Mads:

781 rumcrook  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 8:27:17pm

re: #740 Chip Designer

yes they have one but hamas took it to defib fatah members and suspected colaborators.

782 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 8:27:27pm

re: #765 Outrider

we were much the same thing at Division level. Remember at that time the Army had done away with LRRPs in a blinding flash of stupid. After a year or so, Division Commanders realized they needed this asset so they created them out of hide. We had the advantage in 1978 as there were still many VN vets who were trained and experience recon vets. They asked for jumpers, Rangers preferred. I was a jumper and Pathfinder so was accepted even though I had no tab.

On a related note; the Army has had this blinding flash of stupids again and pulled the Long Range Surveillance units back to Corps leaving Divisions with nothing again. I suspect, if the Army is flexible enough, they will again pull soldiers out of hide and create a "ghost" company.

OK... no more Leg comments, then. I'll reserve those for the slackers in the regular 9 ID units (we were surrounded by them over on the SE corner of the airfield... I can still remember the joke "Sheeet, man, Rangers be crazy n shit!")

LR Surv... that sounds more like what my friend was in (I always got hung up on the corps level part of his platoon assignment... echelons above reality). He wasn't in until the mid-80's so that might be right along the lines you mention.

Pathfinder, eh? Very cool. A school I always wished to go to, but slots were rare and I was way too low on the pole.

783 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 8:27:35pm

Watching O'Reilly interview Jerry Brown on my Tivo. I actually feel Brown's pain: He worked for years to revitalize the district that got trashed, only to see his work be ruined in one night by a pack of barbarians. I am reminded that civilization is a fragile thing.

784 formercorpsman  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 8:27:45pm

re: #764 formercorpsman

Excuse, typing too fast.

What medical folks are used to in the trauma bay.

My head is spinning.

785 Shay4l  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 8:27:50pm

re: #772 x-wing

LOL. you got me hook, line and sinker.

Cool tune.

Oh yeah , that mention of heaving bosoms did NOT catch me!

*whistles silently, looking off to the side, closes window quickly*

786 jwb7605  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 8:27:50pm

re: #761 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

Nobody can run down a Kenyan. I did three marathons at the regular warp speed of 5 hours or worse. They do it in two.

/freaking androids.

IMO an Apache, Pima, Ute, or similar tribe could produce an athlete that would equal a Kenyan.
If you came up with a "rough terrain" event, it would be Indian, hands down.

But, I'm partial to the race, as my grandfather was part Indian, and half my friends were Indians when I grew up.

787 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 8:28:00pm

re: #769 Shay4l

Maybe they should have to carry weights.

Sounds good to me.

788 jcm  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 8:29:08pm

re: #774 Kosh's Shadow

Remember, it was Carter that convinced the world Arafat wasn't a terrorist.

Remember, it was Carter that convinced the world the anti-semites, the Marxists, and the gullible Arafat wasn't a terrorist.

Fixed....

789 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 8:29:20pm

re: #786 jwb7605

IMO an Apache, Pima, Ute, or similar tribe could produce an athlete that would equal a Kenyan.
If you came up with a "rough terrain" event, it would be Indian, hands down.

But, I'm partial to the race, as my grandfather was part Indian, and half my friends were Indians when I grew up.

You also need the "from birth" conditioning to high altitude... do those tribes have that, too?

790 formercorpsman  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 8:29:57pm

re: #774 Kosh's Shadow

Be vewwy, vewwy quiet, I'm hunting waaaaabbbiiiitttss...

791 KingKenrod  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 8:30:19pm

The whole video seems staged to me. It is clearly propaganda, not an unbiased report on an incident.

Mashharawi should be willing to release all of his footage, surely there was much more shot than this. I'm guessing it's been "deleted" by now.

792 Last Mohican  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 8:31:13pm

Here's something else I found: The program for the 2008 Tromso International Film Festival (warning, that's an 8 MB .pdf file) you're about to download if you click that. On page 132, there's a documentary film directed by Ahmed Mashharawi.

Wasn't Ahmed Mashharawi the name of the little boy who supposedly was killed?

I doubt this is important.

793 jwb7605  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 8:31:22pm

re: #789 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

You also need the "from birth" conditioning to high altitude... do those tribes have that, too?

Depends on the tribe. Most of the southwest is 4000 feet plus. Arizona and Utah ain't exactly sea level flat terrain.

794 Shay4l  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 8:31:51pm

re: #788 jcm

Remember, it was Carter that convinced the world the anti-semites, the Marxists, and the gullible Arafat wasn't a terrorist.

Fixed....

Provided political cover for Arafat may be more accurate.

795 Outrider  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 8:32:13pm

re: #782 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

OK... no more Leg comments, then. I'll reserve those for the slackers in the regular 9 ID units (we were surrounded by them over on the SE corner of the airfield... I can still remember the joke "Sheeet, man, Rangers be crazy n shit!")

LR Surv... that sounds more like what my friend was in (I always got hung up on the corps level part of his platoon assignment... echelons above reality). He wasn't in until the mid-80's so that might be right along the lines you mention.

Pathfinder, eh? Very cool. A school I always wished to go to, but slots were rare and I was way too low on the pole.

When Divisions were finally authorized recon companies, they renamed them Long Range Surveillance Units. Officers and NCOs WILL be Ranger tabbed already. Airborne obviously. Enlisted will have to get tabbed. I honestly can't remember when the transition occurred as by that time I had transferred overseas. Like I said here in the last few years this asset was again pulled up and made a corps asset. Bad mistake again.

I think this is why they want folks to retire after the 20 year mark. Because we have sen these silly assed mistakes happen before and know better. Who knows? In this time and arena it may work just fine.

796 ploome hineni[deleted]  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 8:32:14pm
797 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 8:32:47pm

re: #788 jcm

Remember, it was Carter that convinced the world the anti-semites, the Marxists, and the gullible Arafat wasn't a terrorist.

Fixed....

And the UN. But I'm being redundant.
(Carter wrote the speech Arafat gave at the UN)

798 morning star  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 8:32:48pm

"Vi ser allikevel at samarbeidet omkring film bærer frukter både i Tromsø og Gaza.
Ahmed Mashrawi som var på NUFF i fjor har som nevnt jobbet videre med film og
produserte i år en spennende film til NUFF global. Det har også vært kontakt med Nehal Afana som var på NUFF i 2006. Hun har produsert reportasjer til counteract TV på Tvibit og planen er at hun i 2008 skal komme på utvekslingsopphold på Tvibit ( se seinere)"
[Link: www.tromso-gaza.no...]

Ahmed Mashrawi is NOT Ashraf Mashharawi, but they seem to do films together (if Mashrawi = Mashharawi)(see 367)

Google translation:
"We still see that the cooperation on film bearing fruit both in Tromsø and Gaza.
Ahmed Mashrawi was on NUFF [Nordisk ungdomsfilm festival = Youth film festival of the North] last year has mentioned working on the film and
produced this year, an exciting film to NUFF global. It has also been in touch with Nehal Afan who was on NUFF in 2006. She has produced TV programs to counteract the Tvibit and the plan is that she in 2008 will come in exchange for Tvibit (see later)"

799 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 8:33:03pm

re: #793 jwb7605

Depends on the tribe. Most of the southwest is 4000 feet plus. Arizona and Utah ain't exactly sea level flat terrain.

We need them, then. All the major marathons consist of a Kenyan guy, a Russian babe and 23,000 losers.

800 phoenixgirl  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 8:33:16pm

re: #783 Dark_Falcon

Watching O'Reilly interview Jerry Brown on my Tivo. I actually feel Brown's pain: He worked for years to revitalize the district that got trashed, only to see his work be ruined in one night by a pack of barbarians. I am reminded that civilization is a fragile thing.

jerry brown is a moonbat

801 Racer X  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 8:33:43pm
802 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 8:34:00pm
803 Dirk Diggler  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 8:34:10pm

That's a sad story. I wish I had a cigarette.

804 Ringo the Gringo  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 8:34:41pm

I'm late on this thread, but if you ask me, the real reason that CNN can't admit that the video is a charade is not because they don't want to admit that they made a mistake - news outlets do that all the time - but rather because by acknowledging that the video is a phony, they will be admitting that Palestinians actually stage news footage...and admitting that is out of the question.

805 reine.de.tout  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 8:34:42pm

re: #778 Last Mohican

I thought it said that they were planning a film project for 2009?

yes, yes, of course. That's right. It is 2009 now.

I don't think that film project could possibly be this piece of film - at the time of that meeting, they could not have foretold what conditions were going to be like in January 2009.

However, the document does seem to show that they may have some experience and expertise in "film-making" of some sort.

806 Outrider  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 8:34:56pm

I have to get some work done. Be back in a bit.

807 jwb7605  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 8:35:05pm

re: #799 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

We need them, then. All the major marathons consist of a Kenyan guy, a Russian babe and 23,000 losers.

I only do 10K's, and I intentionally stay behind the Russian babes.
They're quite inspirational.

808 lifeofthemind  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 8:35:27pm

The M65 Davy Crockett

809 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 8:36:04pm

re: #795 Outrider

When Divisions were finally authorized recon companies, they renamed them Long Range Surveillance Units. Officers and NCOs WILL be Ranger tabbed already. Airborne obviously. Enlisted will have to get tabbed. I honestly can't remember when the transition occurred as by that time I had transferred overseas. Like I said here in the last few years this asset was again pulled up and made a corps asset. Bad mistake again.

I think this is why they want folks to retire after the 20 year mark. Because we have sen these silly assed mistakes happen before and know better. Who knows? In this time and arena it may work just fine.

That and that stuff is for young men. I can just imagine trying to sleep on the ground under a poncho liner now. I'd never be able to get back up.

/time for bed... I rarely stay up this late, but the discussion and memories were too good. Thank you!

810 jcm  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 8:37:32pm

re: #797 Kosh's Shadow

And the UN. But I'm being redundant.
(Carter wrote the speech Arafat gave at the UN)


U.S. Ambassador Cleo Noel
Charges d'Affaires George Curtis Moore
Ordered killed by Arafat.

He should have been shot on sight. Instead Rabbit Bait's locked his lips on Arafish anal orifice.

811 jcm  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 8:38:01pm

re: #808 lifeofthemind

The M65 Davy Crockett


[Video]

Just have a deep hole to jump into when you fire that sucker.

812 ploome hineni[deleted]  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 8:38:15pm
813 MandyManners  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 8:39:29pm

re: #803 Dirk Diggler

That's a sad story. I wish I had a cigarette.

Asshole.

814 little boomer  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 8:39:33pm

re: #808 lifeofthemind

Wow-thanks for the vid.

815 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 8:39:49pm

re: #812 ploome hineni

bad enough I get nauseated hearing Nobama whistle through his teeth

Or speak out his ass.

816 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 8:40:04pm

re: #800 phoenixgirl

jerry brown is a moonbat

He has talked like a moonbat in the past, but I do not think he really is one. He cared about Oakland and worked to make it a safer and more prosperous city and generally succeeded while he was there. It is the current mayor of Oakland, Rom Dellums who is the uber-moonbat.

817 jcm  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 8:40:45pm

I think I'm in love.

98Bravo .338 Lapua Mag.

818 ploome hineni[deleted]  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 8:40:50pm
819 Dustyvet  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 8:41:22pm

re: #685 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

Why? He almost kills every patient before figuring out everything he knows is wrong and treats them for the fungus infection they have.

Well, not sure really...:)

820 Last Mohican  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 8:41:37pm

re: #796 ploome hineni

it is unrealistic to expect these gaza arabs to have a 'code' like a real hopsital would

I disagree. They have a fairly well-appointed trauma bay there. It has a multi-modality monitor screen, and it looks like there are medical gas hookups on the wall. They would certainly have a defibrillator. And they would absolutely know how to do chest compressions, and how to ventilate a patient. And remember, Mads Gilbert, a surgeon trained in Norway, was in charge.

821 lifeofthemind  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 8:42:26pm

re: #811 jcm

Just have a deep hole to jump into when you fire that sucker.

Had a friend who once had the job of being ready to jump into Poland and put a SADM under a bridge (same warhead) so I asked him what he intended to due after turning it on. How far would he intend to run? He said he planned to bring a magazine and get comfortable, wasn't going to be any home to run back to anyhow.

822 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 8:42:36pm

re: #817 jcm

I think I'm in love.

98Bravo .338 Lapua Mag.

There's a lot to love about a Barrett.

823 Dar ul Harb  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 8:42:40pm

re: #804 Ringo the Gringo

Another aspect of this is that this is video. The Rathergate stuff was about fake documents (even if it was on T.V.), and the Hezbollywood/Adnan Hajj fauxtography stuff was mostly about still images (though Green Helmet did produce some videos).

Video is much more viral, powerful, and from CNN's standpoint, dangerous.

824 jcm  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 8:43:04pm

re: #791 KingKenrod

The whole video seems staged to me. It is clearly propaganda, not an unbiased report on an incident.

Mashharawi should be willing to release all of his footage, surely there was much more shot than this. I'm guessing it's been "deleted" by now.

I posted early today on another thread. Nothing in the IDF inventory would cause the type of damage on the roof or the visible injuries to the kids.

825 jwb7605  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 8:43:19pm

re: #820 Last Mohican

I disagree. They have a fairly well-appointed trauma bay there. It has a multi-modality monitor screen, and it looks like there are medical gas hookups on the wall. They would certainly have a defibrillator. And they would absolutely know how to do chest compressions, and how to ventilate a patient. And remember, Mads Gilbert, a surgeon trained in Norway, was in charge.

Most of their recent patients are already ventilated.
And with that wisdom, I'm going to bed.

826 realwest  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 8:43:23pm

Hey y'all - little bit late again, damnit. What are we talking about now?

827 morning star  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 8:44:12pm

Here is another link:

"Ferske rapporter fra
Mads Gilbert,
Silje Ryvold og
Christiane Kolberg:
Bryt isolasjonen av Gaza!"
[Link: www.tromso-gaza.no...]

"Fresh reports from
Mads Gilbert,
Silje Ryvold and
Christiane Kolberg:
Break Gaza's Isolation!"

With a photo of Mads Gilbert, too.

828 Shay4l  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 8:44:25pm

re: #813 MandyManners

Asshole.

Hmmm haven't seen this poster show up in quite a while! Who else all the sudden showed up tonight after a very long absence?

829 apb1  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 8:44:34pm

re: #826 realwest

Hello, RW - how the heck are you? It's been awhile, again ...

830 HoosierHoops  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 8:44:45pm

re: #826 realwest

Hey y'all - little bit late again, damnit. What are we talking about now?

Shhhhhhh! Realwest is here!
uh..nothing..we ain't talking about nothing

831 rumcrook  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 8:45:06pm

re: #817 jcm

I think I'm in love.

98Bravo .338 Lapua Mag.

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832 ploome hineni[deleted]  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 8:45:35pm
833 Last Mohican  Fri, Jan 9, 2009 8:45:45pm

re: #805 reine.de.tout

yes, yes, of course. That's right. It is 2009 now.

I don't think that film project could possibly be this piece of film - at the time of that meeting, they could not have foretold what conditions were going to be like in January 2009.

However, the document does seem to show that they may have some experience and expertise in "film-making" of some sort.

Agreed. And here's more about the Tromso-Gaza friendship committee. If you click this, you'll get google's automatic translation of the