CNN’s Staged Video Updates: The Norwegian Connection

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European LGF reader “morning star” points out another interesting connection between the Norwegian doctor Mads Gilbert, and “freelance photographer” Ashraf Mashharawi:

Please note that Mads Gilbert knows or is part of a group in his home town Tromsoe in Norway, who long have planned to make a film together with Ashraf Mashharawi (the famous “freelance cameraman” in the video).

See

http://www.tromso-gaza.no/styrereferat081008.pdf

and

http://www.tromso-gaza.no/styrereferat081111.pdf

This group, which promotes friendship between Tromsoe and Gaza, also met Ahmed Mashharawi, a film maker with whom Ashraf Mashharawi has worked together, at a film festival.

This means Gilbert and Mahharawi probably knew each other before this incident.

And more connections surface; here’s a 15-minute documentary at the Danish site counteract.tv, titled “From the Camp.“ The credits contain several names that will be familiar if you’ve followed the threads:

Cameraman & Director: Ahmed Mashharawi
Script: Raid Dawoud
Editing: Ashraf Mashharawi
Narrator: Paul Martin

UPDATE at 1/10/09 12:04:46 pm:

Translations of the PDF files linked above:

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(Hat tip: Sugiero.)

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315 comments
1 MJ  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 11:10:46am

Nice going morning star.

2 Sharmuta  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 11:11:55am

Curiouser and curiouser.

3 Dustyvet  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 11:12:08am

Doing CPR on a pail of Lutefisk...?

4 splat  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 11:12:34am

You have been watching a "Palestinian" grievance theater production.
(C)2009 Ashraf Mashharawi

Perhaps they need to get one of those fancy intro's like all the best Hollywood production co's have !

5 wrenchwench  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 11:12:58am

Dress rehearsal?

6 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 11:13:08am

Morning Star ... good catch!

The ComicalPalestinianRegurgitation thread gets thicker and thicker.

7 Haverwilde  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 11:14:01am

And the MSM says that conservative bloggers don't do real reporting.

Good job!

8 Dustyvet  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 11:14:14am

re: #4 splat

You have been watching a "Palestinian" grievance theater production.
(C)2009 Ashraf Mashharawi

Perhaps they need to get one of those fancy intro's like all the best Hollywood production co's have !

Like this one?

Youtube Video
9 lifeofthemind  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 11:14:25am

CNN got punked, assuming they were ignorant stooges, or did their producer know? In that case they got Mapled.

10 jcm  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 11:14:25am

Fellow Travelers.

11 LGoPs  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 11:14:56am

This doctor shares a common trait with another notorious Norwegian....Vidkun Quisling.
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

12 AmeriDan  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 11:16:41am

em>re: #4 splat

You have been watching a "Palestinian" grievance theater production.
(C)2009 Ashraf Mashharawi

Perhaps they need to get one of those fancy intro's like all the best Hollywood production co's have !

Ah, but for the good old days when they really gave us their best effort at a fake story.

They're just phoning it in now.

13 jcm  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 11:16:43am

re: #11 LGoPs

This doctor shares a common trait with another notorious Norwegian....Vidkun Quisling.
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

We could hope for the same fate.

14 Dustyvet  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 11:16:44am

re: #8 Dustyvet

Like this one?


[Video]

Or this one?


Youtube Video
15 LGoPs  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 11:18:33am

re: #9 lifeofthemind

CNN got punked, assuming they were ignorant stooges, or did their producer know? In that case they got Mapled.

These bastards know exactly what they're doing. The damage and the misinformation is done with the original report....regardless of what comes out later.

16 Oh no...Sand People!  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 11:19:37am

The dhimmi's will be the death of us if we allow them. So many useful idiots in all places of the world. Unless the doctor has full on converted already and is no longer a dhimmi.

17 yma o hyd  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 11:19:56am

Excellent work, morning star!

And thanks, Charles, for digging out more info which I'm sure wasn't meant to see the light of day!

18 JacksonTn  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 11:21:26am

Please ...I want to see Christiane Amanpoursympathsizer's head explode ...CNN your tears will be delicious ....

19 mean Gene  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 11:21:38am

I think the real issue should be, "how much so-called medical treatment in Gaza is faked?"
The people of Gaza need to be able to see this footage.
They also need to be shown what real life-saving medical treatment looks like.
They might turn, en masase, against their Hamas Sharia overlords, if exposed to such truths.
You never know....

20 Jr Ewing  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 11:21:45am

Nicely done morning star!

21 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 11:22:04am

re: #15 LGoPs

These bastards know exactly what they're doing. The damage and the misinformation is done with the original report....regardless of what comes out later.

Amen.

In a trial in the court of public opinion, the Judge (Truth) can order a statement stricken until he's blue in the face. In the short term at least, it doesn't do a damn bit of good.

22 Bloodnok  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 11:22:34am

You wanna keep playing CNN? Charles can find more.

23 lifeofthemind  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 11:23:01am

Sorry meant Mapesed

24 buzzdroid  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 11:23:31am

seems to me that the doctor is continuing on a long tradition in Norway - of siding with Jew hating Fascists...

[Link: www.frontkjemper.com...]

A history of the Norweigian SS division. 15,000 volunteers.

25 LGoPs  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 11:24:11am

re: #21 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Amen.

In a trial in the court of public opinion, the Judge (Truth) can order a statement stricken until he's blue in the face. In the short term at least, it doesn't do a damn bit of good.

The MSM needs to be renamed the MOP....Ministry of Propoganda.......

26 Guanxi88  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 11:24:32am

re: #25 LGoPs

The MSM needs to be renamed the MOP....Ministry of Propoganda.......

Nope, MiniTru.

27 Pietr  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 11:24:51am

I read the title of this and thought, "could Time be saying something positive"? Naw.....
Time article on Gaza

28 Dar ul Harb  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 11:24:58am

So Martin can personally vouch for the Hamas cameraman's integrity.

/good enough for CNN

29 Opinionated  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 11:25:13am

I would think this group is the prohibitive favorite to win "best writing and direction" at the Pallywood Emmys.

30 morning star  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 11:25:36am

Thanks!

31 MJ  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 11:25:59am

re: #24 buzzdroid

seems to me that the doctor is continuing on a long tradition in Norway - of siding with Jew hating Fascists...

[Link: www.frontkjemper.com...]

A history of the Norweigian SS division. 15,000 volunteers.

The antisemitic tradition is alive and well in Norway.
See:
Norway - a paradigm for anti-Semitism

'I would like to take the opportunity to remember all the billions of fleas and lice that lost their lives in German gas chambers, without having done anything wrong other than settling on persons of Jewish background."

This is what Norwegian comedian Otto Jespersen said on Thursday 27 November on the country's largest commercial TV station. Much worse, however, is that the director of the station defended this expression of "satire."

[Link: www.jpost.com...]

32 Catttt  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 11:26:15am

The plot thickens. And it was already pretty thick.

33 AmeriDan  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 11:26:25am

re: #19 mean Gene

I fear that the people of Gaza- for generations on- are already lost.

It would mean nothing for them to be exposed to this. Not that they would ever be allowed to be exposed to the truth.

34 alegrias  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 11:26:28am

Minnesota's full of Norwegian descended moonbats who voted in Keith Ellison their mohammedan representative in US Congress.

Remember, when circling the Black Moon Rock Qaaba in Mecca, Hajji Abu Keith Ellison did not "feel American" but fully moonbat moonworshipper.

Moonbat Norwegians supporting jihadist moonbats, we've already seen this MOVIE.

Now coming to a city-mosque-moslem community center--near you.

35 wahabicorridor  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 11:26:32am

re: #18 JacksonTn

Please ...I want to see Christiane Amanpoursympathsizer's head explode ...CNN your tears will be delicious ....

That makes two of us. She's so blatant I've wondered if Tehran is holding some of her family members hostage.

36 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 11:27:06am

re: #30 morning star

Thanks!

No. Thank you.

37 MandyManners  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 11:27:10am

re: #25 LGoPs

The MSM needs to be renamed the MOP....Ministry of Propoganda.......

I still prefer MFM.

38 albusteve  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 11:27:25am

re: #15 LGoPs

These bastards know exactly what they're doing. The damage and the misinformation is done with the original report....regardless of what comes out later.

I agree...that they where somehow duped is too unreasonable to me

39 MandyManners  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 11:27:25am

re: #30 morning star

Thanks!

Thank *you*!

40 Promethea  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 11:27:34am

re: #1 MJ

Nice going morning star.

The plot thickens! As I said on last night's thread, a fiction writer could really get a lot of material from reading the threads on the topic of CNN's fake news, and who's behind it. How many stories that they've broadcasted worldwide are also fakes.

Exactly how much blood does CNN have on its hands?

41 pat  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 11:27:55am

Wow. What a coincidence. He found all the material right there.

42 Catttt  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 11:27:59am

re: #37 MandyManners

I still prefer MFM.

Oh, me too. :D

43 lifeofthemind  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 11:27:59am

Norway was the Northern flank of Nato and backed the US and UK as a quiet ally for decades. Kirkennes was one of the two land borders where Nato directly faced the Soviet Union, the other being Turkey. Now Norway has become Europe's back door for Islamist infiltration.

44 Oh no...Sand People!  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 11:28:10am

re: #15 LGoPs

These bastards know exactly what they're doing. The damage and the misinformation is done with the original report....regardless of what comes out later.

N.Y. Times has the patent on this process. Print blatant lies. Sway moonbat opinion. Knowing full well lie has been assimilated and damage is done, post a 'retraction' 2 weeks later buried on the 2nd to last page in a 2 liner that no one will see.

45 Oh no...Sand People!  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 11:28:28am

re: #30 morning star

Thanks!

Great work!

46 JacksonTn  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 11:28:44am

Note to Campbell BrownSaudiPrincegirl show No Bias No Bull ...rename your show ...All Bias All Bull All the Time ...

47 LGoPs  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 11:28:54am

re: #37 MandyManners

I still prefer MFM.

I heartily agree. MFM it stays.........

48 MandyManners  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 11:29:16am

re: #34 alegrias

Minnesota's full of Norwegian descended moonbats who voted in Keith Ellison their mohammedan representative in US Congress.

Remember, when circling the Black Moon Rock Qaaba in Mecca, Hajji Abu Keith Ellison did not "feel American" but fully moonbat moonworshipper.

Moonbat Norwegians supporting jihadist moonbats, we've already seen this MOVIE.

Now coming to a city-mosque-moslem community center--near you.

He actually said that?

49 winston06  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 11:29:28am

Back from observing the so-called anti-Israeli rally in Toronto. LMAO! The whole crowd of terrorist supporters? Around 300

50 uptight  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 11:29:44am

The BBC have used this propaganda artist

51 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 11:29:50am

re: #43 lifeofthemind

Norway was the Northern flank of Nato and backed the US and UK as a quiet ally for decades. Kirkennes was one of the two land borders where Nato directly faced the Soviet Union, the other being Turkey. Now Norway has become Europe's back door for Islamist infiltration.

Trivia "pursuant" -- isn't the Norway rat the largest in the rat family?

52 yma o hyd  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 11:29:56am

This video is the tip of an iceberg - as shown by the further links here in this thread.
Together with the 'protests' around the world, and with the general propaganda coming from Hamas over the last years, it reminds me very much indeed of the staged protests and the campaigns run by the communists in the 1920s and 1930s.

How that worked, and who was involved is described in this excellent book:
Double Lives: Stalin, Willi Munzenberg and the Seduction of the Intellectuals (Paperback)
by Stephen Koch (Author)

Get your hands on a copy while you can - it makes chilling reading and gives the blueprint for what we're seeing today in regard to Israel.

53 MandyManners  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 11:30:06am

re: #40 Promethea

The plot thickens! As I said on last night's thread, a fiction writer could really get a lot of material from reading the threads on the topic of CNN's fake news, and who's behind it. How many stories that they've broadcasted worldwide are also fakes.

Exactly how much blood does CNN have on its hands?

Lady Macbeth was a piker compared to CNN.

54 Oh no...Sand People!  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 11:30:08am

re: #40 Promethea

The plot thickens! As I said on last night's thread, a fiction writer could really get a lot of material from reading the threads on the topic of CNN's fake news, and who's behind it. How many stories that they've broadcasted worldwide are also fakes.

Exactly how much blood does CNN have on its hands?

If it bleeds it leads.

CNN probably has Hamas on the payroll just to keep news coming in.

/sarc?

55 albusteve  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 11:30:13am

re: #40 Promethea

The plot thickens! As I said on last night's thread, a fiction writer could really get a lot of material from reading the threads on the topic of CNN's fake news, and who's behind it. How many stories that they've broadcasted worldwide are also fakes.

Exactly how much blood does CNN have on its hands?

the MSM gets people killed
the UN gets people killed
liberalism gets people killed
they are criminal enterprises disguised as ideologues of good faith...liars

56 LGoPs  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 11:30:16am

re: #44 Oh no...Sand People!

N.Y. Times has the patent on this process. Print blatant lies. Sway moonbat opinion. Knowing full well lie has been assimilated and damage is done, post a 'retraction' 2 weeks later buried on the 2nd to last page in a 2 liner that no one will see.

Dead on. It's their f**king business model......

57 FrogMarch  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 11:30:18am

Eternal victims never find peace.
The Palestinians can make bombs, teach their children nothing but hate, hide bombs, launch rockets - but they cannot seem to put in place a proper society.

You don't have to live like a refuge. oh wait - if you happen to be an eternal victim Jew hating "Refugee" Palestinian - you do.

58 Smilla  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 11:30:43am

re: #35 wahabicorridor

That makes two of us. She's so blatant I've wondered if Tehran is holding some of her family members hostage.

No need. As with Robert Fisk, longtime middle east correspondents should be pulled out of the area when they get too close to the story. But that was when journalism sought to be objective. I'm old enough to remember!

59 Cathypop  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 11:30:54am

re: #51 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Trivia "pursuant" -- isn't the Norway rat the largest in the rat family?


I do believe that is correct.

60 winston06  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 11:31:19am

Tens of thousands in Paris protest IDF ops in Gaza [Link: bit.ly...]

61 yma o hyd  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 11:31:25am

re: #28 Dar ul Harb

So Martin can personally vouch for the Hamas cameraman's integrity.

/good enough for CNN

I bet he said 'Trust me - I'm a doctor!'

62 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 11:32:14am

re: #59 Cathypop

I do believe that is correct.

Hmmmm ... then (*cough*) that just might make TWO of them!

63 AmeriDan  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 11:32:42am

re: #49 winston06

Back from observing the so-called anti-Israeli rally in Toronto. LMAO! The whole crowd of terrorist supporters? Around 300

The headline will read...

Thousands

... if I know my MSM math as much as I think I do.

64 MandyManners  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 11:32:43am

What's that saying about being over the target and taking flak?

65 mean Gene  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 11:32:58am

re: #49 winston06

Back from observing the so-called anti-Israeli rally in Toronto. LMAO! The whole crowd of terrorist supporters? Around 300


Tens of thousands of protesters marched through central Paris
Buildings and businesses were looted by gangs of ~300 each.

66 Maximu§  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 11:33:18am

European LGF reader “morning star” points out...

Kudos to morning star.

67 Idle Drifter  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 11:33:45am

re: #31 MJ

The "Satire" excuse seems to be thrown around by many offensive characters. They're juggling hand grenades eventually they'll dope one without its pin.

68 Lincolntf  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 11:33:49am

re: #15 LGoPs

Yup.
Sorry to all the people who think that this was an "accident" or an "oversight" by CNN, but I think you're all a bit naive.
CNN has made no secret of the fact that they consider Israel to be an "evil" entity. To think that they would broadcast a segment with the potential to sway viewers one way or the other without considering the possibility of fraud is to deny the last few decades of CNN policy.
They knew (that it was fake), they lied (at least by omission by not including the links between the "filmers" and the "doctor" and Hamas). They are an active part of the propaganda branch of Hamas.

69 Racer X  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 11:34:06am

re: #55 albusteve

the MSM gets people killed
the UN gets people killed
liberalism gets people killed

WHAT!?!

How come no one ever told me this before? I have always been under the impression it is only President Bush (and the Jooos) killing people.

70 Smilla  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 11:34:11am

re: #65 mean Gene

Tens of thousands of protesters marched through central Paris
Buildings and businesses were looted by gangs of ~300 each.

How many arrests? The news reports never seem to say. Deportations would be better.

71 Maximu§  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 11:34:24am

Are awards going to be given out for these staged productions?

72 Tarkus289  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 11:34:56am

MFM?

73 Jr Ewing  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 11:35:00am

re: #65 mean Gene

Tens of thousands of protesters marched through central Paris
Buildings and businesses were looted by gangs of ~300 each.

I couldn't see a single French men in those protests.

74 albusteve  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 11:35:02am

re: #69 Racer X

WHAT!?!

How come no one ever told me this before? I have always been under the impression it is only President Bush (and the Jooos) killing people.

I'm just talking to myself there....

75 Charles Johnson  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 11:35:03am

Paul Martin just contacted us from Gaza -- wants to respond. Stay tuned.

76 uptight  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 11:35:15am

re: #49 winston06

Back from observing the so-called anti-Israeli rally in Toronto. LMAO! The whole crowd of terrorist supporters? Around 300

The terrorist supporters rioted in London tonight

God knows what crap they'll try tomorrow, when we are holding a big pro-Israel rally in Trafalgar Square.

77 lifeofthemind  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 11:35:20am

re: #51 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Trivia "pursuant" -- isn't the Norway rat the largest in the rat family?

Yes but,

You never met a Chicago Rat?

78 Oh no...Sand People!  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 11:35:37am

re: #49 winston06

Back from observing the so-called anti-Israeli rally in Toronto. LMAO! The whole crowd of terrorist supporters? Around 300

If only that 300 could have run into this "300".
/

79 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 11:35:45am

re: #64 MandyManners

What's that saying about being over the target and taking flak?

In this case ... "If you see the flack, you know he must be the target".

80 yma o hyd  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 11:35:52am

re: #71 Maximu§

Are awards going to be given out for these staged productions?

If they were, this one would win in the category 'Chutzpah'!

81 Lincolntf  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 11:36:04am

re: #75 Charles

Breath is baited.... I can't wait to hear the non-denial denial.

82 jcm  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 11:36:22am

re: #75 Charles

Paul Martin just contacted us from Gaza -- wants to respond. Stay tuned.

This should be good.

83 Cathypop  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 11:36:26am

re: #77 lifeofthemind

Yes but,

You never met a Chicago Rat?

His family came from Norway.

84 MandyManners  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 11:36:27am

re: #72 Tarkus289

MFM?

The last word is Media.

85 uptight  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 11:36:35am

Hamas Supporters riot in London this evening

86 yma o hyd  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 11:36:40am

re: #75 Charles

Paul Martin just contacted us from Gaza -- wants to respond. Stay tuned.

I'm ... speechless!

87 Tarkus289  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 11:36:45am

re: #84 MandyManners

Got it!

88 MandyManners  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 11:36:47am

re: #75 Charles

Paul Martin just contacted us from Gaza -- wants to respond. Stay tuned.

Awesome.

89 AmeriDan  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 11:37:03am

re: #69 Racer X

WHAT!?!

How come no one ever told me this before? I have always been under the impression it is only President Bush (and the JooosJuice) killing people.

Sorry, had to correct your spelling.

90 Guanxi88  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 11:37:05am

re: #18 JacksonTn

Please ...I want to see Christiane Amanpoursympathsizer's head explode ...CNN your tears will be delicious ....

Hey, combining two favorites:

Scanners:

Youtube Video

And Cartman's Revenge:

South Park Video
91 Oh no...Sand People!  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 11:37:09am

re: #56 LGoPs

Dead on. It's their f**king business model......

Then, when the customers say, 'Screw you, I don't want your tripe", they ask the government for a 'bailout' instead of changing business models.

AAAAGGGH!

92 alegrias  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 11:37:19am

OT, in more staged pro-islamist news:

Antonio Banderas the Spanish actor who lives in Malibu, California with wife Melanie Griffith, went to the Arab Emirates to get funding for a movie about the last Islamic ruler of Spain, "Boabdil" or Abdullah.

Mr. Banderas, who may be socialist/communist, is a native al Al-Andalus and is ingratiating himself with rich Islamists, many of whom party hard in Al Andalus, the heart of communist Spain.

Mr. Banderas has a film production company in Malaga, Al Andalus, and an animated pictures company in Granada, Al Andalus.

Source: 29 Oct. p. 22 issue of Hola!/Hello! magazine vol. 3352.

93 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 11:37:40am

re: #75 Charles

Where the hell am I going to go?

94 Idle Drifter  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 11:37:44am

re: #71 Maximu§

Are awards going to be given out for these staged productions?

I believe their called the Hellfires and Cuffs depending on where the award is delivered.

95 JacksonTn  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 11:37:47am

re: #75 Charles

Paul Martin just contacted us from Gaza -- wants to respond. Stay tuned.

They are on the denial run ....

96 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 11:37:54am

re: #77 lifeofthemind

Yes but,

You never met a Chicago Rat?

oops!
I spoke in haste.
*trundles over to the corner in embarrassment"

97 Racer X  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 11:38:08am

re: #75 Charles

Paul Martin just contacted us from Gaza -- wants to respond. Stay tuned.

Give him a nic and let him jump in. Would be quite a discussion.

98 MikeyHunt  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 11:38:26am

I'm truly saddened at the decline of the msm's credibility.
Is it too much to ask the media outlets to just report the truth, and let the chips fall where they may?

Apparently it is!

viva the blogosphere.

There are still outlets where you can find the truth.

I actually feel sorry for dupes and submenials, that haven't got 'the memo' yet, and still put blind faith in (former) credible msm news outlets.

Me thinks the first (or last) couple of newspapers that get the truth right, will survive.
Even in the internet news age.

99 Oh no...Sand People!  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 11:38:33am

re: #85 uptight

Hamas Supporters riot in London this evening

Galloway attack someone?
/

100 prince of dorkness  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 11:38:37am

Re: 60 winston06
1/10/09 11:31:19 am reply quote 0downupfavoritereport

Tens of thousands in Paris protest IDF ops in Gaza [Link: bit.ly...]

French commies... I hate french commies!

101 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 11:38:45am

re: #82 jcm

This should be good.

And I was about to get outta here to get stuff done
Dammit!

102 jwb7605  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 11:38:50am

re: #75 Charles

Paul Martin just contacted us from Gaza -- wants to respond. Stay tuned.

Paul Martin Canadian Prime Minister guy?

103 MandyManners  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 11:39:51am

re: #102 jwb7605

Narrator of this pack of lies.

104 Charles Johnson  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 11:39:53am

Paul Martin the owner of World News & Features, source of the CNN video.

105 Idle Drifter  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 11:39:55am

re: #94 Idle Drifter

their => they're PIMF

106 alegrias  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 11:40:02am

re: #48 MandyManners

He actually said that?

* * *
I'm paraphrasing but it was reported recently that islamist Rep. Keith Ellison went on the Hajj, a trip paid by some creepy group, and did say he did not feel "American" while he circled the Kaaba, but something else. Three guesses.

Bottom line: Rep. Ellison wasn't Proud to be an American while being Muslim.

107 LGoPs  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 11:40:03am

re: #68 Lincolntf

Sorry to all the people who think that this was an "accident" or an "oversight" by CNN,........

There ain't no accidents here. Whatever else their motivations are, these are competent people. These are deliberate actions taken to mislead and they need to be called out for it, everytime it happens.

108 albusteve  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 11:40:44am

re: #88 MandyManners

Awesome.

I predict forkedtongued ambiguous doubleblaolla

109 yma o hyd  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 11:41:05am

Only a little bit OT:

'9:14 PM IDF reporting that the senior rocket commander was killed because junior Hamas terrorists were too afraid to go outside to launch the misiles.

9:26 PM Additional senior Hamas commander killed in Khan Younis.'

From [Link: muqata.blogspot.com...]

110 jcm  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 11:41:09am

re: #97 Racer X

Give him a nic and let him jump in. Would be quite a discussion.

He'd need a security escort. To many clue bats are cocked for him.

111 Tarkus289  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 11:41:21am

Isn't Charles wonderful, he could have said "contacted me" but he said
"contacted us" We truly are a team.

112 Killgore Trout  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 11:41:27am

re: #102 jwb7605

He's the owner of the company that is distributing the fake video and a personal friend of the photographer.

113 Oh no...Sand People!  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 11:41:47am

The tide is turning and Charles has them on the defensive!

Hoowah!

114 alegrias  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 11:42:14am

re: #65 mean Gene

Tens of thousands of protesters marched through central Paris
Buildings and businesses were looted by gangs of ~300 each.

* * * *
Hope Parisians won't welcome these jerks like they welcomed the Germans!

115 jcm  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 11:42:14am

re: #99 Oh no...Sand People!

Galloway attack someone?
/

He needs his super villain outfit first.

116 Blackacre  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 11:42:16am

Can someone please translate what those pdf's say?
* * *

Pallywood Productions presents "Ashraf and Mad's Agitprop Adventure." Nutty Norwegian Marxist Mads Gilbert teams up with Hamas death cult knucklehead Ashraf Mashharawi to bring the UN, the IRC, and the rest of the Loony Left the latest in anti-Israeli agitprop. Special guest appearance by the Green Helmet Guy. Narrated by Baghdad Bob and Christiane Amanpour. Tune in tonight on CNN!
117 jaunte  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 11:42:18am

I've been watching some YouTube videos of Mads Gilbert complaining about poor conditions and lack of equipment at Shifa Hospital. Note this from his Wiki bio:
"Gilbert has broad range international experiences, in particular from locations that merge medical and political issues. Actively involved with solidarity work concerning Palestinians since the 1970s, he has served as a doctor during numerous periods in Palestine and Lebanon. His efforts have been central to the efforts that have lead the city of Tromsø, since 2001 a twin town of Gaza, to claim to be the city that has sent more health workers to Palestine than any other the world."
Gilbert simply passes on the impression that the Israelis are responsible for the lack of healthcare materials and skills in Gaza, failing to notice the:
-Priorities of the palestinian leadership
-Priorities of the palestinian arms smugglers
-Priorities of the 'solidarity activists'
None of which include a concern for healthcare if it interferes with assisting the propaganda effort of a designated terrorist organization.
Gilbert chose to help make this staged video and many others which further the efforts of Hamas, which cement his role as that of a propagandist, rather than a healer.

118 albusteve  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 11:42:20am

re: #111 Tarkus289

Isn't Charles wonderful, he could have said "contacted me" but he said
"contacted us" We truly are a team.

to my knowledge he's never said otherwise :)

119 Smilla  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 11:42:29am

re: #108 albusteve

I predict forkedtongued ambiguous doubleblaolla

Plus the equivocation (they're gunmen or militants not terrorists), the "disproportionate response" argument, and the usual moral equivalence.

120 LGoPs  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 11:42:37am

re: #113 Oh no...Sand People!

The tide is turning and Charles has them on the defensive!

Hoowah!

Go get 'em Charles.......

121 lifeofthemind  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 11:42:39am

re: #97 Racer X

Give him a nic and let him jump in. Would be quite a discussion.

Nick ideas?
Sylvester?
Boris Badanof?
Weasely?
?

122 uptight  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 11:42:39am

Hey Paul Martin - since you are reading this, tell any Gazan who isn't with Hamas that they will never get peace while Hamas, Islamic Jihad and the Al Asqa Martyr Brigades keep targeting Israeli citizens.

Tell them, there will always be checkpoints while the threat of suicide bombs exists.

Tell them, there will be military action until Hamas can't attack Israel any more.

Tell them that peace is possible (it happened between Egypt & Israel and between Jordan & Israel), but it will only happen when they stop trying to destroy Israel.

That's the only exit from the misery they live in.

It's logical. Why would Israel establish a state for people who want to kill them? Why would they have no security from people who want to kill them? Why would they allow people to rocket them?

Explain this f**king simple truth to them.

123 itellu3times  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 11:42:49am

re: #75 Charles

Tuned? What's the frequency Kenneth?

124 jwb7605  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 11:42:50am

re: #112 Killgore Trout

He's the owner of the company that is distributing the fake video and a personal friend of the photographer.

A detail I'd missed.
Famous names syndrome.

125 sugiero  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 11:42:56am

Best friends: Mads Gilbert and the Mayor of Gaza: [Link: translate.google.com...]

126 buzzdroid  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 11:43:00am

what its like to be a Jew in Britain today

[Link: www.dailymail.co.uk...]

"'As usual, I wasn't holding any kind of political symbol, flag, banner or placard and was just wearing my yarmulka. As I was about to ring on the doorbell I was set upon by two Asian youths (one wearing a keffiya and one wearing a badge with the Palestinian flag on his jacket) who punched me in the head, threw me to the ground and continued to kick and punch me in the head and other parts of my body until I managed to shout loud enough causing them to flee."

127 MandyManners  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 11:43:25am

re: #106 alegrias

* * *
I'm paraphrasing but it was reported recently that islamist Rep. Keith Ellison went on the Hajj, a trip paid by some creepy group, and did say he did not feel "American" while he circled the Kaaba, but something else. Three guesses.

Bottom line: Rep. Ellison wasn't Proud to be an American while being Muslim.

I wonder if WAB is still proud to be an American.

Youtube Video
128 Oh no...Sand People!  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 11:43:26am

re: #115 jcm

He needs his super villain outfit first.

Wow. I swear I had seen it all. That does explain a lot though.

129 albusteve  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 11:43:33am

re: #119 Smilla

Plus the equivocation (they're gunmen or militants not terrorists), the "disproportionate response" argument, and the usual moral equivalence.

oppressed freedom fighters is so noble...my personal fave

130 Guanxi88  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 11:43:57am

re: #114 alegrias

* * * *
Hope Parisians won't welcome these jerks like they welcomed the Germans!

They didn't. They made these guys citizens; the Germans at least had to shoot their way in.

131 uptight  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 11:43:59am

IOW it's like raising kids. You reward GOOD behaviour and punish bad behaviour.

132 alegrias  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 11:44:00am

re: #65 mean Gene

Tens of thousands of protesters marched through central Paris
Buildings and businesses were looted by gangs of ~300 each.

* * *
Why isn't an islamist Kristallnacht a bad thing, I wonder.

133 MandyManners  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 11:44:15am

re: #112 Killgore Trout

He's the owner of the company that is distributing the fake video and a personal friend of the photographer.

He also narrated the video.

134 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 11:44:41am

I believe it's a fair assumption that Martin will defend the video in its entirety. He's toast, professionally, if he doesn't.

Sheesh! Did I just allude to Martin and professionalism in the same para?!

/world's second oldest ... "journalism"

135 MandyManners  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 11:45:03am

re: #115 jcm

He needs his super villain outfit first.

Needs a cod-piece.

136 albusteve  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 11:45:13am

re: #130 Guanxi88

They didn't. They made these guys citizens; the Germans at least had to shoot their way in.

Paris folded without a shot I believe...

137 Killgore Trout  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 11:45:20am

re: #133 MandyManners

I didn't know that. Maybe he can tell us if the couch scene occurred before or after the hospital.

138 MandyManners  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 11:45:27am

re: #108 albusteve

I predict forkedtongued ambiguous doubleblaolla

I don't speak that.

139 yma o hyd  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 11:45:31am

re: #125 sugiero

Best friends: Mads Gilbert and the Mayor of Gaza: [Link: translate.google.com...]

Blimey ...

140 itellu3times  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 11:45:32am

re: #109 yma o hyd

Only a little bit OT:

'9:14 PM IDF reporting that the senior rocket commander was killed because junior Hamas terrorists were too afraid to go outside to launch the misiles.

9:26 PM Additional senior Hamas commander killed in Khan Younis.'

From [Link: muqata.blogspot.com...]

Killed by whom, the cowardly juniors or the Israelis?

141 Promethea  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 11:45:44am

re: #107 LGoPs

There ain't no accidents here. Whatever else their motivations are, these are competent people. These are deliberate actions taken to mislead and they need to be called out for it, everytime it happens.

These are the Hellspawn of Goebbels, monster propagandist for the Nazi scum regime. I look forward to watching Paul Martin try to defend his lies.

142 uptight  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 11:46:29am

Tell him that it's spelled "Highgate"

143 Guanxi88  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 11:46:45am

re: #136 albusteve

Paris folded without a shot I believe...

Good point, but at least there was some kind of resistance somewhere. The French weren't all collaborators at first.

These days, they couldn't muster a Resistance if they tried; and they wouldn't try, anyway.

144 Lynn B.  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 11:46:47am

re: #122 uptight

Hey Paul Martin - since you are reading this, tell any Gazan who isn't with Hamas that they will never get peace while Hamas, Islamic Jihad and the Al Asqa Martyr Brigades keep targeting Israeli citizens.

...

Tell them that peace is possible (it happened between Egypt & Israel and between Jordan & Israel), but it will only happen when they stop trying to destroy Israel.

Good points otherwise, but what has happened between Egypt and Israel and Jordan and Israel isn't peace. It's the absence of war and the cracks widen and shrink constantly with every shift of the wind.

145 albusteve  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 11:46:51am

re: #138 MandyManners

I don't speak that.

only the speaker can even understand it...we'll see pretty soon looks like

146 alegrias  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 11:46:57am

re: #73 Jr Ewing

I couldn't see a single French men in those protests.

* * *
You're looking the the new French people--though they've been IN France since the Algerian war.

Actually, Jihadists totally invaded France before, last millenium, until Charles Martel turned them back.

147 yma o hyd  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 11:47:05am

re: #132 alegrias

* * *
Why isn't an islamist Kristallnacht a bad thing, I wonder.

Heh.
Because in libtard view, the Joooos are the Nazis, natch!

148 MandyManners  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 11:47:12am

re: #125 sugiero

Best friends: Mads Gilbert and the Mayor of Gaza: [Link: translate.google.com...]

Has Charles seen that?

149 Smilla  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 11:47:14am

re: #126 buzzdroid

Also Your text to link...

Sounding more like Germany in the 1930s.

150 jcm  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 11:47:26am

re: #135 MandyManners

Needs a cod-piece.

Like Eldridge's?

151 uptight  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 11:47:32am

re: #115 jcm

He needs his super villain outfit first.


argh!

my eyes!

152 MJ  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 11:47:42am

re: #92 alegrias

OT, in more staged pro-islamist news:

Antonio Banderas the Spanish actor who lives in Malibu, California with wife Melanie Griffith, went to the Arab Emirates to get funding for a movie about the last Islamic ruler of Spain, "Boabdil" or Abdullah.

Mr. Banderas, who may be socialist/communist, is a native al Al-Andalus and is ingratiating himself with rich Islamists, many of whom party hard in Al Andalus, the heart of communist Spain.

Mr. Banderas has a film production company in Malaga, Al Andalus, and an animated pictures company in Granada, Al Andalus.

Source: 29 Oct. p. 22 issue of Hola!/Hello! magazine vol. 3352.

Banderas was suppose to stay in a film about Ataurk. There was some speculation that he dropped out from pressure by Greek Americans. While there was certainly pressure from them, there was also threats from
Islamists who didn't want a sympathetic movie about the man who all but banned Islam from his country.
Banderas is a coward.

Note in the NYT how they don't identify the Islamist threats on Banderas and just refer to them as "others".
[Link: query.nytimes.com...]

153 buzzdroid  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 11:48:01am

re: #136 albusteve

Paris folded without a shot I believe...

bear in mind that the Germans also gave up Paris without a shot being fired.

German generals disobeyed Hitler's orders to turn it into a Stalingrad like ruin..

thank god.
(it is truely one of the most , if not THE most, beautiful cities on earth..)

154 albusteve  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 11:48:03am

re: #143 Guanxi88

Good point, but at least there was some kind of resistance somewhere. The French weren't all collaborators at first.

These days, they couldn't muster a Resistance if they tried; and they wouldn't try, anyway.

the strongest resistance expressed by the French was in N Africa against allied troops

155 uptight  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 11:48:07am

re: #144 Lynn B.

Good points otherwise, but what has happened between Egypt and Israel and Jordan and Israel isn't peace. It's the absence of war and the cracks widen and shrink constantly with every shift of the wind.

I think that's the best we'll get

156 Lynn B.  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 11:48:16am

re: #140 itellu3times

Killed by whom, the cowardly juniors or the Israelis?

The IDF.

[Link: www.jpost.com...]

157 MandyManners  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 11:48:18am

re: #137 Killgore Trout

From the top:

Cameraman & Director: Ahmed Mashharawi
Script: Raid Dawoud
Editing: Ashraf Mashharawi
Narrator: Paul Martin

158 Lincolntf  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 11:48:24am

If Paul Martin uses the "fake but accurate" excuse, I'm gonna laugh my ass off.

159 Sunlight  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 11:48:55am

re: #49 winston06

Back from observing the so-called anti-Israeli rally in Toronto. LMAO! The whole crowd of terrorist supporters? Around 300

But the question is: were they yelling about putting Jews back into the ovens?
/serious question

160 [deleted]  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 11:49:07am
161 albusteve  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 11:49:23am

re: #153 buzzdroid

bear in mind that the Germans also gave up Paris without a shot being fired.

German generals disobeyed Hitler's orders to turn it into a Stalingrad like ruin..

thank god.
(it is truely one of the most , if not THE most, beautiful cities on earth..)

true enough but they were in an enormous hurry to get outa dodge too

162 yma o hyd  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 11:49:23am

re: #140 itellu3times

Killed by whom, the cowardly juniors or the Israelis?

IDF said they did it.
Well, thats what they set out to do: fight Hamas.

(For the Libtards and moonbats who happen to read this, so they don't get their nether garments in even more of a twist ...)

163 MandyManners  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 11:49:28am

re: #150 jcm

Like Eldridge's?

Cock of the walk.

*snicker*

164 traderjoe9  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 11:49:29am

Just another Mohhamed al-Dura.

165 winston06  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 11:50:13am

re: #78 Oh no...Sand People!

lol but i don't like neither of them. both are/were terrorists

166 Killgore Trout  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 11:50:14am

Maybe he'll be willing to release all the footage.

167 Guanxi88  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 11:50:15am

re: #154 albusteve

the strongest resistance expressed by the French was in N Africa against allied troops

Jeez, they just can't catch a break, can they?

Eh, if they can't even defend their honor in the past, why should I try to now?

I hereby retract anything and everything positive said by Yours Truly about the Honor or Martial Virtue of the French.

168 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 11:50:16am

re: #115 jcm

What the hell was that?!

169 wrenchwench  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 11:50:22am

According to Mashharawi's climate change video, the sea is driving the Palestinians from Gaza. Gee, with the sea on one side, and the Juice on the other, maybe they should invest in some swimming lessons and waterwings.

170 Oh no...Sand People!  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 11:50:27am

I hope this pans out with a DrudgeReport headline, "CNN caught in GazaGate".

171 Promethea  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 11:50:32am

re: #117 jaunte

I've been watching some YouTube videos of Mads Gilbert complaining about poor conditions and lack of equipment at Shifa Hospital. Note this from his Wiki bio:
"Gilbert has broad range international experiences, in particular from locations that merge medical and political issues. Actively involved with solidarity work concerning Palestinians since the 1970s, he has served as a doctor during numerous periods in Palestine and Lebanon. His efforts have been central to the efforts that have lead the city of Tromsø, since 2001 a twin town of Gaza, to claim to be the city that has sent more health workers to Palestine than any other the world."
Gilbert simply passes on the impression that the Israelis are responsible for the lack of healthcare materials and skills in Gaza, failing to notice the:
-Priorities of the palestinian leadership
-Priorities of the palestinian arms smugglers
-Priorities of the 'solidarity activists'
None of which include a concern for healthcare if it interferes with assisting the propaganda effort of a designated terrorist organization.
Gilbert chose to help make this staged video and many others which further the efforts of Hamas, which cement his role as that of a propagandist, rather than a healer.

I read somewhere (probably LGF link) that Hamas--the elected government of Gaza--has diverted pipes that were supposed to be used for sewers to make rockets.

I hope the sister city of Tromso hasn't been sending sewer pipes to Gaza. If they have, then they are murderers too.

172 JacksonTn  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 11:50:35am

OT ...Go Titans! ...now back to your regularly scheduled propaganda fighting programming ...

173 Lynn B.  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 11:50:54am

re: #155 uptight

I think that's the best we'll get

I hope you're wrong. A whole lot more was promised (in exchange for the return of the Sinai, for example). But Sadat had a misadventure and couldn't follow through.

I hope you're wrong but I fear you're right.

174 Ayatollah Ghilmeini  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 11:50:55am

Apology to a Plate Glass Window

Alas, dear friend! I am so sorry that you had to shatter. From that day you were loaded on the truck gleaming and clear and placed in the front of a London shop, you were part of city life. Witness and reflection in one of the great cities of the world.

Now you lay in pieces on the street, a crude board taking your place, brown ugly and not transparent at all. Windows are the thing that make cities. Letting in life and letting people see, opening spaces and minds to the endless possibilities of man. Sadly, today, my broken friend, was your last. You see, there are a few million people called Jews. We are this old people who returned to our ancient homeland in large numbers. This deeply offends some people, especially the ones that think Stalin and Hitler weren't such bad guys. Some of these even feel that Stalin and Hitler did not go far enough, especially with regard to us Jews.

But history taught us, Window, that, if we did not wish to perish, we would have to stand together and fight. We gathered in our ancient homeland, our enemies claim we aren't even really Jews, even though every last one of our scattered ancient tribe's priests has a unique gene, that no other people else has; it is odd for history to have to be validated by genetics but I don't write to broken pieces of glass too often, so work with me on this one. For 61 years now, waves of hatred have risen against our hope and dream of living in peace in the land of our fathers. Most of the people around us are as sick and tired of the wars as we are but there are still a lot of people who believe that words in their Holy Books command them to murder every last one of us.

About three weeks ago, some of these die-hards declared an end to a truce they were sort of observing with us. I say sort of because they really never ceased fire and they spent the time arming themselves to the teeth. Well they started doing what they call "resistance." What the means is they began shooting military rockets into Jewish civilian areas without caring who or what they hit. Now there are such things as the Laws of War and this violates all of them. They did not care, after all, they declare their plan to kill every Jew in the ancient homeland and that was not going to happen without violating said Laws of War.

Now the Jews had a decision, they could use their military might and beat these guys or evacuate every place in range of the missiles. The problem with Plan B was the enemy was getting more missiles and longer range missiles. So, Plan A. Now the Jews have done a lot over the last 15 years to try and make peace with the other people in the area. They gave up and pulled out of lands taken in defensive wars and offered to give these in the cause of peace. This led the more crazy of our enemies to think us weak instead of peaceloving.

Imagine their shock when these people found out we were not going to give into their murderous desires but defend ourselves. They say we are cowards and weak and historically doomed to fall to their knives and to deter us, they hid in civilian areas; we bend over backwards to obey the Laws of War. We figured out our personal safety requires a REALLY good army that is led by a very bright capable officer corps. Well these guys had been thinking about what to do about the rocket people and came up with a plan. After asking them to stop, our Army hit the rocket people harder than few people have ever been hit in history.

And that, poor Window, is why you lay shattered on a London Street. The friends of the rocket people, who never met a war crime against Jews they did not wholly approve, are very angry we are fighting back and, frankly, kicking their ass all over hell and creation. They want us to die and, since they are relatively crude and uncivilized, both the new arrivals in Albion and their far-Left buddies, decided to show their displeasure by the breach of the peace that was your ruin.

I am not sorry for living but I do lament your fate, farewell.

175 albusteve  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 11:51:04am

re: #161 albusteve

true enough but they were in an enormous hurry to get outa dodge too

I meant to add that the window back to Germany was rapidly closing...I'm not sure of any humanitarian aspect of it

176 lifeofthemind  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 11:51:05am

re: #143 Guanxi88

Good point, but at least there was some kind of resistance somewhere. The French weren't all collaborators at first.

These days, they couldn't muster a Resistance if they tried; and they wouldn't try, anyway.

The famous French Resistance was in the high hundreds before the liberation and in the hundreds of thousands after the liberation. Similarly it is a little known fact that so many Germans were keeping a Jew in the basement that there was a critical shortage of Jews in Germany during the War. The government had to meet this popular demand by going out to find and import Jews to satisfy the millions of kind hearted citizens.

177 winston06  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 11:51:13am

re: #73 Jr Ewing

Is there any French man left?

178 alegrias  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 11:51:30am

re: #130 Guanxi88

They didn't. They made these guys citizens; the Germans at least had to shoot their way in.

* * *
You're so right!

Back then, the French Resistance burned enemy Germans' vehicles at night.

Today, the welfare taking jihadist French burn their welfare paying neighbors' vehicles at night.

179 winston06  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 11:51:44am

re: #100 prince of dorkness

or french muslims?

180 Spiritualized  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 11:51:44am

Oi, Martin! Say hi to the good "Doctor" Goebbels.

We are on to both of you.

181 SurferDoc  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 11:52:06am

re: #135 MandyManners

Needs a cod-piece.

He is a cod-piece.

182 BignJames  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 11:52:19am

Maybe Paul martin can post the out takes.

183 Guanxi88  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 11:52:44am

re: #176 lifeofthemind

The famous French Resistance was in the high hundreds before the liberation and in the hundreds of thousands after the liberation. Similarly it is a little known fact that so many Germans were keeping a Jew in the basement that there was a critical shortage of Jews in Germany during the War. The government had to meet this popular demand by going out to find and import Jews to satisfy the millions of kind hearted citizens.

Nasty and good. The bit about all those Germans hiding Jews was obviously phony, anyway. Germans were a law-abiding folk; if the authorities said round 'em up, they would.

184 Oh no...Sand People!  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 11:52:47am

re: #150 jcm

Like Eldridge's?

*SPRINTS* grabs bleach from cupboard...*guzzle guzzle*...

"Aaah!"...all better.

185 debutaunt  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 11:53:28am

re: #182 BignJames

Maybe Paul martin can post the out takes.

I love it when someone blows his lines and giggles.

186 [deleted]  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 11:53:33am
187 jcm  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 11:53:38am

re: #168 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

What the hell was that?!

Galloway getting in touch with his inner self?

188 MandyManners  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 11:53:39am

re: #174 Ayatollah Ghilmeini

Beautiful.

189 Guanxi88  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 11:54:12am

re: #176 lifeofthemind

Incidentally, your nic is from Barton Fink, no?

190 Charles Johnson  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 11:54:58am

Paul Martin is about to show up in the comments. He wanted an account to post his responses.

I warned him he might be "strongly challenged." Ahem. Keep it as cordial as possible now y'all.

191 MandyManners  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 11:55:09am

re: #177 winston06

Is there any French man left?

Mais, oui!

192 alegrias  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 11:55:17am

re: #152 MJ

Banderas was suppose to stay in a film about Ataurk. There was some speculation that he dropped out from pressure by Greek Americans. While there was certainly pressure from them, there was also threats from
Islamists who didn't want a sympathetic movie about the man who all but banned Islam from his country.
Banderas is a coward.

Note in the NYT how they don't identify the Islamist threats on Banderas and just refer to them as "others".
[Link: query.nytimes.com...]

* * *
Thanks so much for that link.

Good for the Greeks!

Banderas, uggh, another pro-islamist Spanish coward communist, like so many Spaniards today.

193 lifeofthemind  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 11:55:18am

re: #189 Guanxi88

Incidentally, your nic is from Barton Fink, no?

No, from Hannah Arendt. It's a Chicago thing.

194 MandyManners  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 11:55:38am

re: #190 Charles

Paul Martin is about to show up in the comments. He wanted an account to post his responses.

I warned him he might be "strongly challenged." Ahem. Keep it as cordial as possible now y'all.

I locked my clue-by-four in my car's trunk.

195 Digital Display  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 11:55:44am

re: #172 JacksonTn

OT ...Go Titans! ...now back to your regularly scheduled propaganda fighting programming ...

Yes..Congrad's for winning the division..Good Luck!

196 jaunte  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 11:56:00am

re: #171 Promethea

I find it curious that Gilbert and his friends in Tromsø can pat themselves on the back for 'helping' Gaza since the 1970's and yet be incompetent to keep one hospital supplied with the required materials.
Hamas, and Fatah before them have not been overly concerned with keeping their human shields healthy.

197 buzzdroid  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 11:56:16am

re: #161 albusteve

true enough but they were in an enormous hurry to get outa dodge too

i'm not *entirely* sure about that...
sure , lots of them got the hell out and headed east, but i read somewhere that an awful lot of the Paris garrison surrendered to the Americans , rather than facing the wrath of Hitler for disobeying orders (which would result is either execution or facing the Russians on the eastern front...)

198 SurferDoc  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 11:56:38am

I suppose wisecracks about narrator buttocks are out then?

199 Pigtown Water Dog  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 11:56:40am

re: #52 yma o hyd

Thanks for the book recommendation. I knew it was out there--and you found it for me.

200 Sharmuta  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 11:56:40am

Running a couple of google searches, I'm really disgusted to see the number of fascist sympathizers who have previously attacked Charles now using his work without crediting it. One example is this site which frequently has posts from our euro-fascist sympathizing "friends".

Shame on these disingenuous assholes.

201 debutaunt  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 11:56:43am

re: #194 MandyManners

I locked my clue-by-four in my car's trunk.

Xnay on the rope suggestion!

202 yma o hyd  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 11:56:46am

re: #176 lifeofthemind

The famous French Resistance was in the high hundreds before the liberation and in the hundreds of thousands after the liberation. Similarly it is a little known fact that so many Germans were keeping a Jew in the basement that there was a critical shortage of Jews in Germany during the War. The government had to meet this popular demand by going out to find and import Jews to satisfy the millions of kind hearted citizens.

Yep - and the Nazis must ahve been past masters at ballot-box stuffing, out-doing by far any Chicagoan politician!
Becuse we now know that no German ever voetd for the Nazis - they told us so after the war ...

203 jcm  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 11:56:58am

re: #194 MandyManners

I locked my clue-by-four in my car's trunk.

Then what's with the cast iron fry pan behind your back?

204 lifeofthemind  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 11:57:00am

Enter of your own Free Will
- Bram Stoker, Dracula

205 Guanxi88  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 11:57:15am

re: #193 lifeofthemind

No, from Hannah Arendt. It's a Chicago thing.

One of the greatest minds I ever met was schooled there. His teacher was a guy named Strauss, the first Sith Lord of the modern conservative movement.

206 wahabicorridor  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 11:57:16am

re: #152 MJ

Banderas is a coward.

Maybe. But I seem to recall that he has small children. Protecting your children is not cowardice.

Just sayin'.

207 BignJames  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 11:57:26am

re: #195 HoosierHoops

Yes..Congrad's for winning the division wild card..Good Luck!


ftfy

208 buzzdroid  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 11:57:41am

re: #190 Charles

Paul Martin is about to show up in the comments. He wanted an account to post his responses.

I warned him he might be "strongly challenged." Ahem. Keep it as cordial as possible now y'all.

interesting! looking forward to this...

209 MandyManners  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 11:58:08am

re: #186 ploome hineni

[Link: muslimmedianetwork.com...]

“Three million people, from every inch of the globe, all getting along together in a world where there’s a lot of turbulence.”

What a shining example of irony.

210 JacksonTn  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 11:58:15am

re: #190 Charles

Paul Martin is about to show up in the comments. He wanted an account to post his responses.

I warned him he might be "strongly challenged." Ahem. Keep it as cordial as possible now y'all.

Ya'll want to get the LGF spy going so you can keep up with comments ...

211 Lynn B.  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 11:58:18am

re: #190 Charles

Paul Martin is about to show up in the comments. He wanted an account to post his responses.

I warned him he might be "strongly challenged." Ahem. Keep it as cordial as possible now y'all.

Waiting ...

212 Oh no...Sand People!  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 11:58:19am

re: #190 Charles

Paul Martin is about to show up in the comments. He wanted an account to post his responses.

I warned him he might be "strongly challenged." Ahem. Keep it as cordial as possible now y'all.


I have $20 bucks we are 'racists' within under 30 posts.

213 Racer X  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 11:58:24am

re: #190 Charles

Paul Martin is about to show up in the comments. He wanted an account to post his responses.

I warned him he might be "strongly challenged." Ahem. Keep it as cordial as possible now y'all.

Yes, Lizards. Many eyes will be upon us.

214 freedombilly  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 11:58:34am

This thing gets better every time I come back to my computer!

215 Cathypop  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 11:58:36am

re: #121 lifeofthemind

Nick ideas?
Sylvester?
Boris Badanof?
Weasely?
?


A turd.

216 albusteve  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 11:59:01am

re: #167 Guanxi88

Jeez, they just can't catch a break, can they?

Eh, if they can't even defend their honor in the past, why should I try to now?

I hereby retract anything and everything positive said by Yours Truly about the Honor or Martial Virtue of the French.

dont get me wrong...they really had little or no chance to stop Germanys blitzkreig...they probably did the prudent thing there...altho that's certainly debatable

217 [deleted]  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 11:59:04am
218 yma o hyd  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 11:59:05am

re: #200 Sharmuta

Running a couple of google searches, I'm really disgusted to see the number of fascist sympathizers who have previously attacked Charles now using his work without crediting it. One example is this site which frequently has posts from our euro-fascist sympathizing "friends".

Shame on these disingenuous assholes.

Did you really expect anything else?
Really?

219 morning star  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 11:59:10am

re: #116 Blackacre

Can someone please translate what those pdf's say?
* * *

[Link: translate.google.com...]

[Link: translate.google.com...]

220 MandyManners  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 11:59:13am

re: #201 debutaunt

Xnay on the rope suggestion!

And, the tar and feathers.

221 MandyManners  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 11:59:29am

re: #203 jcm

Then what's with the cast iron fry pan behind your back?

I'm cooking!

222 FrogMarch  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 11:59:33am

While we wait here's something to read:
Ironies of 2008

I especially like part 5.

223 [deleted]  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 11:59:34am
224 Ayatollah Ghilmeini  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 11:59:40am

re: #183 Guanxi88

Gotta disagree the fact is most holocaust survivors lived because someone helped them. Anyone doing so and caught was sentenced to death. Wherever they survived, some Pole, German, Russian or Ukrainian, even a few Arabs, saved these lives. This is not to forgive the guilty and the indifferent, rather it is to try to make any discussion of the Holocaust start with remembering the righteous.

And that brings on point two- a very disproportionate number of the French Resistance were Jews and Communists. The Communists only came on board after Hitler attacked Russia.

225 Sunlight  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:00:08pm

re: #131 uptight

IOW it's like raising kids. You reward GOOD behaviour and punish bad behaviour.

It's like that for everyone, not just kids. I even use that on myself to get myself motivated and redirected.

226 JacksonTn  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:00:09pm

re: #217 ploome hineni

this Paul Martin?.from the BBC?

[Link: www.google.com...]

I would like to see a current photo of him so we can see who we are hearing from ...

227 buzzdroid  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:00:27pm

re: #212 Oh no...Sand People!

I have $20 bucks we are 'racists' within under 30 posts.

dont forget to be armed with
"Nekama's troll hammer"

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

228 Quilly Mammoth  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:00:34pm

The WSJ has dropped the ball on this one. Noted Palestinian apologist and lawyer George E. Bisharat opines that Israel Is Committing War Crimes


The United Nations charter preserved the customary right of a state to retaliate against an "armed attack" from another state. The right has evolved to cover nonstate actors operating beyond the borders of the state claiming self-defense, and arguably would apply to Hamas. However, an armed attack involves serious violations of the peace. Minor border skirmishes are common, and if all were considered armed attacks, states could easily exploit them -- as surrounding facts are often murky and unverifiable -- to launch wars of aggression. That is exactly what Israel seems to be currently attempting.

This fool is arguing that since Hamas is not trying to _invade_ Israel that there is right to self defense.

Needless to say this tool lives in San Francisco. The Wall Street Journal should be ashamed.

229 Racer X  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:00:35pm

Who is making the popcorn?

I'm going on a beer run - any requests?

230 alegrias  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:00:36pm

re: #196 jaunte

I find it curious that Gilbert and his friends in Tromsø can pat themselves on the back for 'helping' Gaza since the 1970's and yet be incompetent to keep one hospital supplied with the required materials.
Hamas, and Fatah before them have not been overly concerned with keeping their human shields healthy.

* * *
Nor do Norwegian Gaza doctors believe in vaccination!
Preventive Medicine is NOT for the living.
They got their degree at Thanatology U. School of MohammedanMedicine
Marxist Doctors' Motto: "We Love Death"

231 Cathypop  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:01:02pm

re: #229 Racer X

Who is making the popcorn?

I'm going on a beer run - any requests?


Popcorn is made

232 MandyManners  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:01:09pm

re: #217 ploome hineni

this Paul Martin?.from the BBC?

[Link: www.google.com...]

If so, he gets around in all the wrong places.

233 [deleted]  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:01:11pm
234 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:01:22pm

Guessing there will be a new thread. Killgore? You there? Last Mohican?

235 JacksonTn  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:01:29pm

re: #229 Racer X

Who is making the popcorn?

I'm going on a beer run - any requests?

Baileys and some vodka ...cuz, ya know ...watching Titans and propaganda fighting machine ...

236 sugiero  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:01:46pm

re: #219 morning star

[Link: translate.google.com...]

[Link: translate.google.com...]

1) [Link: translate.google.com...]
2) [Link: translate.google.com...]

237 freedombilly  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:01:55pm

re: #229 Racer X

Who is making the popcorn?

I'm going on a beer run - any requests?

Sierra Nevada Celebration Ale please. It is mighty fine this year.

238 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:01:58pm

I'll be quiet and watch politely.

239 albusteve  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:02:16pm

re: #197 buzzdroid

i'm not *entirely* sure about that...
sure , lots of them got the hell out and headed east, but i read somewhere that an awful lot of the Paris garrison surrendered to the Americans , rather than facing the wrath of Hitler for disobeying orders (which would result is either execution or facing the Russians on the eastern front...)

true enough...and the German garrison really loved Paris for the most part...Hitler did as well I think

240 lifeofthemind  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:02:16pm

To be fair the problem is that media liberals are now in such a bubble that they accept things that they would otherwise challenge, the same thing happens to intelligence clearances. That is how the Cambridge Spies got by. I know so and so he can't be passing bad stuff to me, we trust each other.

241 Oh no...Sand People!  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:02:33pm

re: #227 buzzdroid

dont forget to be armed with
"Nekama's troll hammer"

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

"Shields at the READY!"

242 JacksonTn  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:02:38pm

Me too ...will let more qualified lizards chime in ...delicious!

243 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:02:41pm

Martin coming in HERE?
I may just sit back and watch.

/especially after Charles' request for decorum

244 Guanxi88  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:02:47pm

re: #224 Ayatollah Ghilmeini

Gotta disagree the fact is most holocaust survivors lived because someone helped them. Anyone doing so and caught was sentenced to death. Wherever they survived, some Pole, German, Russian or Ukrainian, even a few Arabs, saved these lives. This is not to forgive the guilty and the indifferent, rather it is to try to make any discussion of the Holocaust start with remembering the righteous.

And that brings on point two- a very disproportionate number of the French Resistance were Jews and Communists. The Communists only came on board after Hitler attacked Russia.

Look, as one whose family was (except for a very few) fortunate enough to be out of Europe during the war, I am of course appreciative of those Righteous Among the Nations who did help Jews to survive.

But the simple fact is that many of the folks who claim they hid Jews, or who say their parents or grandparents did, are probably mistaken or lying. It's their way of somehow absolving themselves of their own feelings of guilt.

245 wahabicorridor  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:02:52pm

re: #190 Charles

Cordial? We don't do cordial with Jew-haters Charles. This is target practice.

246 Sunlight  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:03:10pm

re: #132 alegrias

* * *
Why isn't an islamist Kristallnacht a bad thing, I wonder.

Maybe the Paris police could hire the IDF to come in and help them target the bad guys while leaving the overwhelming numbers of non-combatants unharmed.
/not really kidding - this type of training could be a growth industry for IL.

247 lifeofthemind  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:03:40pm

re: #224 Ayatollah Ghilmeini

Gotta disagree the fact is most holocaust survivors lived because someone helped them. Anyone doing so and caught was sentenced to death. Wherever they survived, some Pole, German, Russian or Ukrainian, even a few Arabs, saved these lives. This is not to forgive the guilty and the indifferent, rather it is to try to make any discussion of the Holocaust start with remembering the righteous.

And that brings on point two- a very disproportionate number of the French Resistance were Jews and Communists. The Communists only came on board after Hitler attacked Russia.

Yes, my comment was about the poseurs, the Righteous were for real

248 Throbert McGee  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:03:51pm

re: #9 lifeofthemind

CNN got punked, assuming they were ignorant stooges, or did their producer know? In that case they got Mapled.

"Mapled" is the appropriate term here, in that the fishiness of the CPR technique was evident to amateurs with only most basic training in CPR -- just as one didn't need any advanced or specialized knowledge of typography to be suspicious of the Rather memo.

In both cases, the testimonies from experts in the appropriate fields have only served to (massively) confirm what sharp-eyed amateurs had already suspected to be the case: that the tummy-tickling being applied by the Palestinian "medic" was totally inconsistent with effective CPR practices. The tickling is, however, consistent with either of two hypotheses:

(1) The child and the medic were both actors, and the "medic" was naturally trying to avoid harming the child with more realistic compressions;

(2) The child was already quite dead, by whatever cause, and the "medic" was an actor who was squeamish about touching a dead body. (A real medic who was knowingly participating in a fraud would've had no reason to refrain from more realistic CPR -- a corpse won't be bothered by cracked ribs.)

And if public opinion against the video continues to grow, count on CNN to use the same defensive tactic as used by Rather and Maples -- claiming that the fakery could not have been at all apparent to anyone but a team of experts, and that normal "due diligence" in vetting a news story before airing does not and cannot involve calling a team of experts as the routine practice.

249 MJ  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:03:53pm

Charles,
Will you re-post Martin's post in a separate thread?

250 traderjoe9  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:03:58pm

In other news:

Egypt again blamed Hamas for the IDF's Operation Cast Lead. In an interview Saturday, Egyptian labor Minister Aisha Abed el-Hadi said that the Hamas leadership had “adopted a radical, terrorist approach,” which was causing untold suffering to Gazans, especially because of its “stubborn refusal to agree to a cease fire with Israel.”

251 Guanxi88  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:04:02pm

re: #247 lifeofthemind

Yes, my comment was about the poseurs, the Righteous were for real

What LIFE said.

252 albusteve  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:04:23pm

re: #238 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I'll be quiet and watch politely.

save me a seat bro...this oughta be one for the books

253 yma o hyd  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:04:46pm

re: #228 Quilly Mammoth

The WSJ has dropped the ball on this one. Noted Palestinian apologist and lawyer George E. Bisharat opines that Israel Is Committing War Crimes

This fool is arguing that since Hamas is not trying to _invade_ Israel that there is right to self defense.

Needless to say this tool lives in San Francisco. The Wall Street Journal should be ashamed.

So they should!
As for who is committing war crimes, read this outstanding document which lawhawk linked to a few says ago:
International Law and the Fighting in Gaza

254 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:04:54pm

An open thread ---------------->
Where's lunch ... er ... Martin?

255 Charles Johnson  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:05:10pm

re: #236 sugiero

1) [Link: translate.google.com...]
2) [Link: translate.google.com...]

Thanks! I'll update with those links.

256 [deleted]  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:05:16pm
257 Lynn B.  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:05:20pm

re: #245 wahabicorridor

Cordial? We don't do cordial with Jew-haters Charles. This is target practice.

Not your house, not your rules.

258 solomonpanting  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:05:37pm

I once knew a Doc
His story's a croc
This Norwegian's no good

His friends from Hamas
Were pushing a fraud
To a gullible press

They looked for some help
Mads rose to the task
Said "this Norwegian would"

259 Digital Display  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:05:51pm

re: #229 Racer X

Who is making the popcorn?

I'm going on a beer run - any requests?

Beer nuts,chips and dip..
I will be interested to hear from Mr. Martin. He has first hand knowledge of the Gaza...
*pops cap on Bud light*

260 alegrias  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:06:04pm

re: #250 traderjoe9

In other news:

* * *
That's excellent of Egypt to show spine and call a spade a spade. No more Egyptian support of terrorist organizations.

261 buzzdroid  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:06:40pm

sidenote: if any of you american lizards have never visited Paris - dont forget that you can walk around it virtually in Google Streetview...

[Link: maps.google.com...]

262 uptight  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:07:17pm

re: #256 ploome hineni

he may be seen here

[Link: news.bbc.co.uk...]

54 children!

263 traderjoe9  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:07:30pm

re: #260 alegrias

* * *
That's excellent of Egypt to show spine and call a spade a spade. No more Egyptian support of terrorist organizations.

Well it certainly doesn't mean they care for Israel one way or another...but yes, bravo to Egypt for hating terrorists.

264 albusteve  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:08:07pm

re: #261 buzzdroid

sidenote: if any of you american lizards have never visited Paris - dont forget that you can walk around it virtually in Google Streetview...

[Link: maps.google.com...]

pretty cool...it's booked...thanks

265 wahabicorridor  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:08:12pm

re: #224 Ayatollah Ghilmeini

Wherever they survived, some Pole, German, Russian or Ukrainian, even a few Arabs, saved these lives.

I can't remember his last name (Yitzak something) - he wrote 'A Surplus of Memories' - he was a Jew in the Warsaw ghetto underground. He wrote that it took only one person to kill a Jew - but it could take a lot more to just try to help a Jew get food.

266 buzzdroid  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:08:27pm

re: #256 ploome hineni

he may be seen here

[Link: news.bbc.co.uk...]

a bbc employee.

why am a NOT surprised?

can you guys report the BBC to Homeland Security as a terrorist supporting organisation?

267 traderjoe9  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:08:48pm

re: #261 buzzdroid

sidenote: if any of you american lizards have never visited Paris - dont forget that you can walk around it virtually in Google Streetview...

[Link: maps.google.com...]

Too many "creatures" in Paris. They might throw a molotov at me.

268 Quilly Mammoth  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:08:55pm

As much as I'd like to see the repartee with someone that likes to hang with anti-Semitic psychopaths Wal-Mart waits for no man.

Have fun!

269 [deleted]  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:11:06pm
270 uptight  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:11:15pm

PAUL MARTIN - why didn't you mention that the Al Dura story was staged to frame the Israelis?

Why didn't you interview someone who condemned this child abuse?

shitty partisan reporting on behalf of evil culties

you are a disgrace

271 Sunlight  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:11:18pm

re: #260 alegrias

* * *
That's excellent of Egypt to show spine and call a spade a spade. No more Egyptian support of terrorist organizations.

But they are letting go the criminal Hamas leaders who came through the border in ambulances. Shouldn't they be in jail and held for war crimes trials for shooting rockets onto civilians in Israel, not to mention their human shield policy. If they let them go, they will keep poisoning and are good to go in murdering civilians another day.

272 Alberta Oil Peon  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:11:25pm

re: #102 jwb7605

Paul Martin Canadian Prime Minister guy?

Former Canadian Prime Minister, please. We are well rid of that useless turkey.

273 uptight  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:14:25pm

re: #266 buzzdroid

a bbc employee.

why am a NOT surprised?

can you guys report the BBC to Homeland Security as a terrorist supporting organisation?

I'll try.

If you report WAPO

274 Lynn B.  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:14:36pm

re: #270 uptight

PAUL MARTIN - why didn't you mention that the Al Dura story was staged to frame the Israelis?

Why didn't you interview someone who condemned this child abuse?

shitty partisan reporting on behalf of evil culties

you are a disgrace


Dictionary:


cordial
(kôr'jəl) pronunciation

Home > Library > Literature & Language > Dictionary
adj.

1. Warm and sincere; friendly: a cordial greeting; cordial relations. See synonyms at gracious.
2. Strongly felt; fervent: a cordial abhorrence of waste.
3. Serving to invigorate; stimulating.

n.

1. A stimulant; a tonic.
2. A liqueur.

275 Dustyvet  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:15:19pm

re: #59 Cathypop

I do believe that is correct.

I once saw a rat in Vietnam the size of a large male cat. Scared the socks off our Company Clerk, It was in his desk drawer.

276 Efoster  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:15:26pm

re: #75 Charles

Charles,

When the man in question wants to contct little ole you, then you have to know that the truth is being exposed and they are now getting scared. Good for you! Keep up the good work.

277 morning star  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:15:42pm

Some more interesting pages from the same website:

[Link: translate.google.com...]

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[Link: translate.google.com...]

[Link: translate.google.com...]

278 uptight  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:17:12pm

re: #274 Lynn B.

I think I was damn cordial...given the report I just watched.

How cordial can you be to someone who sits on the fence about child abuse or who recycles lies like that Al Dura story.

I only called him a disgrace

279 Ayatollah Ghilmeini  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:19:40pm

Why we should disbelieve the report breaks down into three reasons:

- Past experience that leads us to question the reliability of the sources
- Evidence the soruces are deeply biased
- Incongruities in the video that western medical experts claim to show staging.

The press has shown time and again to have falsely blamed Israel, from Jenin, to the Rusted Ambulances of 2006 and the al Dura blood libel, a pattern of press manipulation by Israel's enemies is readily apparent. It is known that all major terror groups have propaganda arms with specific orders to lie about casualties and fabricate atrocities to undermine support for Israel. Israel is not perfect, in her wars civilians have died and in some cases she has improperly or pointlessly inflicted casualties. Most western military experts agree that Israel takes enormous steps to avoid civilian casualties.

If the man in the report is the same fellow who operates Hamas website, he must be viewed with deep suspicions. It cannot be automatically said he is lying but the burden of evidence must shift. Hamas could not even tell the world they were part of the Egyptian Muslim Brotherhood until AFTER Sheikh Yassin was killed. Honesty is not their long suit. There is also no question that UNRWA and its workers have actively collaborated with Hamas and anti Israel groups over the years. Weapons have been found on their premises time and again; UNRWA personnel have lied about activities on their facilities and they have a disturbing ability to hire only the most radical people as teachers and workers. UNRWA's false accusations after Jenin were never retracted. If the CPR was indeed feigned, the man knew or had to know. Given his far Left leanings, his reliability should be assumed to be close to zero.

Lastly, I don't know much about CPR but the tummy tapping in the vid is not going to do much. I have to believe the medicos on this blog who say its not effective.

280 Sharmuta  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:20:01pm

It takes courage to willingly walk into the lion's den.

Welcome to LGF Mr Martin, where we "fact check your ass".

281 Ayatollah Ghilmeini  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:20:42pm

re: #244 Guanxi88

No question of this

282 Guanxi88  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:23:59pm

re: #281 Ayatollah Ghilmeini

No question of this

Good, just wanted to make sure my meaning was clear,

283 Catttt  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:24:13pm

Mr. Martin, I look forward to your comments. Please keep in mind that LGF is "a tough room" - we fact check.

I was going to go play Neocron (Eve keeps crashing my computer), but I may check back - this ought to be interesting.

284 Alberta Oil Peon  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:26:32pm

re: #248 Throbert McGee

"Mapled" is the appropriate term here, in that the fishiness of the CPR technique was evident to amateurs with only most basic training in CPR -- just as one didn't need any advanced or specialized knowledge of typography to be suspicious of the Rather memo.

In both cases, the testimonies from experts in the appropriate fields have only served to (massively) confirm what sharp-eyed amateurs had already suspected to be the case: that the tummy-tickling being applied by the Palestinian "medic" was totally inconsistent with effective CPR practices. The tickling is, however, consistent with either of two hypotheses:

(1) The child and the medic were both actors, and the "medic" was naturally trying to avoid harming the child with more realistic compressions;

(2) The child was already quite dead, by whatever cause, and the "medic" was an actor who was squeamish about touching a dead body. (A real medic who was knowingly participating in a fraud would've had no reason to refrain from more realistic CPR -- a corpse won't be bothered by cracked ribs.)

And if public opinion against the video continues to grow, count on CNN to use the same defensive tactic as used by Rather and Maples -- claiming that the fakery could not have been at all apparent to anyone but a team of experts, and that normal "due diligence" in vetting a news story before airing does not and cannot involve calling a team of experts as the routine practice.

Could I add one further possibility to your list?

(3) The child was already quite dead, and was a close relative of some Hamas-hole standing in the room, holding an AK-47, and the "doctor" was understandably squeamish about applying massive force to the kid's corpse under the circumstances, if you get my drift.

285 Lynn B.  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:26:34pm

re: #278 uptight

I think I was damn cordial...given the report I just watched.

How cordial can you be to someone who sits on the fence about child abuse or who recycles lies like that Al Dura story.

I only called him a disgrace

The request was from Charles. It's his room and his rules.

/and I'll shut up about that now.

286 jcm  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:28:25pm

re: #279 Ayatollah Ghilmeini


- Past experience that leads us to question the reliability of the sources
- Evidence the soruces are deeply biased
- Incongruities in the video that western medical experts claim to show staging.
- Injuries, evidence and claims on the roof top do not match any known IDF weapons systems.

287 erisldysnomia  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:31:03pm

The media is a collectively fucking stupid.

Hamas is not only responsible for a few murders, but they are also responsible for thousands of counts of ATTEMPTED MURDER.

In our justice system, attempted murder is considered a serious crime almost as serious as murder itself and entails severe punishment.

Attempted murder encompasses the same actions and intent as an actualized murder, the difference being the actor's incompetence or unfavorable circumstances.

Therefore where is the disproportionality? If attempted murder is almost as serious a crime as completed murder, then a few hundred dead Palestinians (of which at least some are attempted murderers) vs. thousands of attempted murders of mostly innocent Israeli civilians seems quite proportional.

288 Throbert McGee  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:33:02pm

re: #51 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Trivia "pursuant" -- isn't the Norway rat the largest in the rat family?

This is tricky to answer -- it depends on how strictly one defines "rat family."

I'm pretty sure that the "Norway rat" is the largest in the Rattus genus, whose members are sometimes regarded as the "true" rats. And beyond doubt Rattus norvegicus the most widely-distributed, the most "self-domesticated" and the most "important" of the rat species. ("Important" both as destructive pests throughout the millennia, and much more recently as a model laboratory species.)

And because pet rats were originally descended from animals originally domesticated for lab use, R. norvegicus is the best-represented rat species in pet stores worldwide, though they're not the only rat to have been domesticated on purpose by people who considered them desirable pets.

P.S. One more piece of trivia: despite its name, the Norway rat is probably of Asian origin -- it's from Norway as much as the turkey is from Turkey or the guinea pig is from New Guinea.

289 canadianally  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:34:52pm

re: #272 Alberta Oil Peon

As an Edmontonian and lurker extraordinaire, I had to login in (it has been a while) and agree with your statement about our not-so-beloved ex-PM.

And, again, this is one of a handful of news sites I frequent that consistently shames the MSM by timely presentations of facts.

290 erisldysnomia  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:35:10pm

re: #287 erisldysnomia

The media is a collectively fucking stupid.

Hamas is not only responsible for a few murders, but they are also responsible for thousands of counts of ATTEMPTED MURDER.

In our justice system, attempted murder is considered a serious crime almost as serious as murder itself and entails severe punishment.

Attempted murder encompasses the same actions and intent as an actualized murder, the difference being the actor's incompetence or unfavorable circumstances.

Therefore where is the disproportionality? If attempted murder is almost as serious a crime as completed murder, then a few hundred dead Palestinians (of which at least some are attempted murderers) vs. thousands of attempted murders of mostly innocent Israeli civilians seems quite proportional.

By the way, was wondering:

Under Sharia law, what's the penalty for attempted murder?

291 Throbert McGee  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:49:37pm

re: #284 Alberta Oil Peon

Could I add one further possibility to your list?

(3) The child was already quite dead, and was a close relative of some Hamas-hole standing in the room, holding an AK-47, and the "doctor" was understandably squeamish about applying massive force to the kid's corpse under the circumstances, if you get my drift.

Which could also explain why there was no attempt at mouth-to-mouth or other ventilation.

("Hey, Dr. Homo -- you better not be using your tongue!")

292 funky chicken  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:58:51pm

go get 'em, Charles

I hope you get several nice interviews on Fox News

293 Charles Johnson  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:59:18pm

Martin just emailed and said he would respond tomorrow... he's apparently in Gaza or Israel now, so that means this evening sometime.

294 Charles Johnson  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 1:00:16pm

See the next thread up for more...

295 Blackacre  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 1:02:51pm

re: #255 Charles

Thanks! I'll update with those links.

Charles, the same link is double-posted on the front page.

296 swamprat  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 1:23:42pm

Probably taking the time to do some research. I would.


"These guys are surely a bunch of......wait.....all sorts of beliefs....incomes don't match with any stereotypes....every kind of professional and non-professional background..... they live in all parts of the world.....Well musically they must be...sure.... completely diverse....Age-wise like most bloggers, they must be........wwwhat?
What kind of blog is this?
What the heck have I gotten myself into?"

Welcome Mr Martin!

297 pnome  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 1:39:53pm

Oops.

Some poor sap of a scape goat is about to loose his job at CNN.

298 vagabond trader  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 1:44:42pm

Gah, the way they use these kids is beyond revolting.As long as young minds are poisoned there will be no peace.

*sigh*

299 KSK  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 2:07:45pm

I wonder whether someone could contact the Norwegian hospital that taught this "doctor" his "art".

I'd like to hear their professional opinion about the way CPR is performed.

Let me say this:

I've seen CPR
I've learned CPR
I've performed CPR

This, Sir, is no CPR

300 RaiderDan  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 2:12:49pm

CNN apparently has learned NOTHING about RatherGate.

They are actually trying to defend this obvious fraud that they broadcast. They truly have doubled down on stupid.


I can guarantee you that in CNN's Standards and Practices handbook (and like CBS News they have one) there probably is a line in there which says "CNN will not broadcast any scene which appears staged, reproduced or reenacted."

So, the next step for LGF is finding that CNN handbook on standards and practices.

Secondly. Its time for Surgeon General-nominee Dr. Sanjay Gupta and to answer for this obvious fraud.

Now I doubt Dr. Gupta had anything to do with this, but President-elect Obama chose Dr. Gupta to be the nation's surgeon general for the most part based on the reputation of Dr. Gupta's work at CNN and CNN's heretofore previously unblemished reputation for broadcasting factual news, especially on the topic of public health.

Dr. Gupta should answer this question during his Senate confirmation:

"Dr. Gupta, President-elect Barack Obama has submitted your nomination the United States Senate as Surgeon General of the United States. Your credentials for such a position are primarily based upon your sterling work as Chief Medical Correspondent for the Cable News Network, and the news credibility of your network around the globe.

Now, your network has broadcast video which appears to show an obvious staged pantomine of cardiopulmonary resuscitation, or CPR as part of a story involving the alleged death of a 12 year old child in the Gaza strip. Your network is standing by this video as authentic and not staged, however it felt compelled to REMOVE that particular segment as part of the video after bloggers and others began questioning it.

In your opinion, seeing today this full segment, and as a Doctor, neurosurgeon, and as Chief Medical Correspondent for CNN, is this the proper way to perform CPR?"

"If it is not, does it appear faked? Can you tell us today as CNN's Chief Medical Correspondent WHY it withdrawn, without a correction or explanation?"

"If you believe that this is a staged event, why did it appear on your network? Can you tell us today whether you would stand behind this piece today as a journalist as being accurate?"

Can you also understand the embarrassment we would have as Senators in confirming you as Surgeon General if it later came out that this particular piece of video YOUR network showed was determined to be faked and you told us as a doctor and a journalist it was accurate?"

If CNN doesn't retract this video, Dr. Gupta should not be confirmed as Surgeon General, as he is willing to stand by an obvious fraud by his employer. CNN may unwittingly be pulling down Dr. Gupta as Surgeon General nominee, and contributing to yet another black eye for President elect Barack Obama.

301 Dom  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 2:26:41pm

ftr Paul Martin's quite reputable company also produced or co-produced House of War (for CNN), about Afghanistan, Good Morning Mr Hitler, Battle for the Holocaust (for C4) - a look at who benefits from remembering the holocaust, Babitzky's War (about Chechnya), and Damned in the USA among other films with a liberal-progressive interest. Presumably he has quite an address book in the Middle East as well as with C4 and CNN.

302 RaiderDan  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 2:29:29pm
Could I add one further possibility to your list?

(3) The child was already quite dead, and was a close relative of some Hamas-hole standing in the room, holding an AK-47, and the "doctor" was understandably squeamish about applying massive force to the kid's corpse under the circumstances, if you get my drift.

#284: If that is truly the case, my anger at the Palestinian EMT/nurse/paramedic/doctor faking compressions is misplaced. If he had no choice but to cooperate with the Mads Doctors in his "Big Lie" or risk death, he made a difficult choice of survival over integrity.

Either way, it shows the absolute depravity of Hamas.

KEEP IT UP CHARLES!

CNN is TWISTING IN THE WIND AND DIGGING DEEPER.

303 KSK  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 2:32:04pm

The only thing I hate more than being lied to by the media is being lied to by the media with a bold face.

No, there's one thing I hate even more: Being treated by the media as a completely stupid moron.

This is like being shown an aardvark and being told that I'm shown a lion.

It's a total insult to the medical profession as well. The Norwegian "doctor" should be stripped of his title immediately.

304 KSK  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 2:33:58pm

Given the history and past comments of this marxist, Hamas loving "doctor", we can exclude c), RaiderDan

305 RaiderDan  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 2:42:13pm
Given the history and past comments of this marxist, Hamas loving "doctor", we can exclude c), RaiderDan

I'm not excusing HIM at all. I'm saying that if the flunkie EMT/nurse/medic doing the chest compressions was forced to participate by Hamas gunmen in Mads Gilbert's fraud or face death, I forgive him.

306 RaiderDan  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 2:48:08pm

Google is such a WONDERFUL tool!

I just Googled "CNN Broadcast Standards and Practices" and look who I found.

Richard Davis.

[Link: www.cnn.com...]

Richard Davis is CNN's executive vice president of News Standards and Practices. In this capacity, Davis works to ensure that CNN Worldwide's on-air reports and programs are fair, accurate and responsible. He was named to this position in July 1998. He is based in CNN's world headquarters in Atlanta.

Charles. I think you should give this gentleman at CNN a call.

307 viciouscircledammit  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 4:10:22pm

re: #274 Lynn B.

You should have included the definition of "Snarky."

308 tsionguy  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 4:12:43pm

In the CNN article:
"Gaza video genuine, journalists say"
[Link: edition.cnn.com...]

They quote the hospital administrator as saying:
"Raafat Hamdouna, administrative director at Shifa Hospital in Gaza City, said Friday that "Mahmoud Khalil Mashharawi, a 12-year-old, was brought to the hospital, and he was breathing, but he was hit in the head and all over his body by shrapnel. He died later in the hospital. He was treated by the Norwegian team. When he was brought in, he was breathing. The team did their best to save him. I am not really sure if they even tried to rush him to the surgery room, because he was badly hurt."

If he was hit in the head, there would have been blood, bandages, and massive swelling. I saw no evidence of that in any of the photos. The more they talk, the deeper they dig themselves.

309 will48  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 4:28:00pm

I must say even BBC seems to be fair and balanced :) compared to that piece of open Hamas propaganda by CNN.

310 gareth  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 4:35:01pm

There was a blanket covering up much of the boy's lower half. I can't help but think this was to hide whatever injuries he actually had. The footage certainly doesn't tally with the descriptions given.

He had an intravenous drip in his left arm, and I think that was where the noticeable blood on the bed came from. I'm not a medic. Is it normal for people to bleed that much from a drip?

The man in green in the video: Would it be normal for medics wearing short sleeved scrubs to wear long sleeved clothes underneath? Also, anyone think he may just a little bit look like the man photographed for the Bedless in Gaza story on the World News And Features website?

This is Martin's latest report for the BBC: The unmeasurable price of war It covers the boy's death, amongst other things.

311 J.S.  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 5:44:31pm

Sounds like CNN is living up to its adage: "The most [dis]trusted name in the news."

312 swamprat  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 7:14:02pm

re: #310 gareth
version three;(from your link)

On the sixth day of this current war I could not get hold of Ashraf on the mobile phone.

Later, in tears, he told me why. His youngest brother Mahmoud, aged 12, and his 14-year-old cousin, were told it was too dangerous outside Ashraf's family home in the deserted side streets. So the children played innocently on the family home's flat roof.

Then an unmanned Israeli aircraft fired two small rockets.

Ashraf rushed upstairs and took the boys to hospital.

Now remember, this is the building that has "scores of women and children"

here is another quote from Mr Martin;

They died, he said, when this man was picking up this kid from the nursery school. Uri was taking off, aiming to kill what he defined as terrorists. "I always carry these photos with me on a mission," he explained, "to remind me that when I hunt down a terrorist I am protecting people like these."

313 Dandy_Don  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 7:26:12pm

Unfortunately when I read the comments on LGF my machine freezes, so I haven't had a chance to read every single comment. However, my wife made what I believe to be a good point. Rigor Mortis sets in approx 3 hours after death, and although it may take 36-72 hours to fully manifest, surely the boys limp head/neck at the cemetry would not have been possible if he had been killed several hours previously?

And one other point - in the middle of a war zone with your enemy dropping bombs, indiscriminately according to the Palestinians - goes and 'plays on the roof'. Or were they playing with explosives?

314 Efoster  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 9:05:02pm

re: #153 buzzdroid

I must disagree, Prauge is the most beautiful city in the world.

315 swamprat  Wed, Jan 14, 2009 8:35:02pm

No one is looking into the existence of the cousin Achmed. I wonder if there is something about him the family wants hidden, or if he ever walked this earth.


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