Saturday Afternoon Open

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The traditional midday thread is now open for folderol and lollygagging…

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1 Cathypop  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:02:18pm

I'm all ready for lollygagging

2 MandyManners  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:02:22pm

Oh, Paul?

3 MandyManners  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:02:51pm

re: #1 Cathypop

I'm all ready for lollygagging

How does one gag a lolly?

4 freedombilly  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:02:57pm

Any ETA on Mr. Martin Charles?

5 goddessoftheclassroom  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:02:58pm

Paging Mr. Martin...

6 jcm  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:03:21pm

re: #1 Cathypop

I'm all ready for lollygagging

Me too!

7 Cathypop  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:03:28pm

re: #3 MandyManners

How does one gag a lolly?

Do I have to draw a picture for you?

8 freedombilly  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:03:31pm

I had stuff to do but I can't miss this.

9 BignJames  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:03:49pm

re: #2 MandyManners

Oh, Paul?


Is he preparing a presentation? Powerpoint?

10 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:04:05pm

Would be better if KT were here.

11 Cathypop  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:04:16pm

re: #6 jcm

Me too!

Now that is some serious lollygagging.

12 JacksonTn  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:04:28pm

Hey CNN propaganda machine ...we know you reading ...STOP WITH YOUR CRAP! ...Christiane a special shout out to you ...

13 Oh no...Sand People!  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:05:09pm

Will CNN fire Paul once it gets out that he has an LGF account for 'fraternizing with the enemy?'

14 MandyManners  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:05:12pm

re: #7 Cathypop

Do I have to draw a picture for you?

In color, please.

15 freedombilly  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:05:18pm

re: #12 JacksonTn

Hey CNN propaganda machine ...we know you reading ...STOP WITH YOUR CRAP! ...Christiane a special shout out to you ...

Amanpoorreporting?

16 MandyManners  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:05:44pm

re: #9 BignJames

Is he preparing a presentation? Powerpoint?

With four-part harmony.

17 freedombilly  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:05:50pm

re: #13 Oh no...Sand People!

Will CNN fire Paul once it gets out that he has an LGF account for 'fraternizing with the enemy?'

You know how the saying goes, keep your friends close...

18 kcladderman  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:06:06pm

re: #5 goddessoftheclassroom

Paging Mr. Martin...

Heres my favorite martian

Oh you said martin never mind

19 Smilla  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:06:39pm

I love folderol!

20 debutaunt  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:06:57pm

I'm expecting a new thread for the Martin topic?

21 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:07:14pm

re: #19 Smilla

I love folderol!

How do you feel about balderdash?

22 Oh no...Sand People!  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:07:23pm

re: #17 freedombilly

You know how the saying goes, keep your friends close...

Agreed. Worked for Obama and Hillary.

/we are so boned...

23 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:07:38pm

Didn't Paul Martin do the foleygagging on that video?

24 Daisy  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:07:39pm

I'm all ready to lollygag. Finally took down the Christmas decorations. Whew.

25 Smilla  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:07:41pm

re: #21 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

tempted!

26 lifeofthemind  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:08:19pm

Folderol? Guys and Dolls!

Youtube Video
27 freedombilly  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:08:30pm

I'd rather chat with George Martin.

28 jcm  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:08:30pm

re: #24 Daisy

I'm all ready to lollygag. Finally took down the Christmas decorations. Whew.

From 2003?
'bout time...
;-)

29 yma o hyd  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:08:54pm

I hope Mr Martin pulls his finger out and gets cracking - the suspense is killing me!

30 MandyManners  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:09:07pm

re: #18 kcladderman

Heres my favorite martian

Oh you said martin never mind

Here's mine.

31 Killgore Trout  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:09:38pm

re: #10 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I'm here but how much better that makes it is debatable.

32 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:10:06pm

re: #29 yma o hyd

I hope Mr Martin pulls his finger out and gets cracking - the suspense is killing me!

I'm guessing he'll open with a Russian novel-length post.

33 MandyManners  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:10:07pm

re: #29 yma o hyd

I hope Mr Martin pulls his finger out and gets cracking - the suspense is killing me!

I first read it as "pulls my finger". (I've been around eight-year-old boys too much lately.)

34 Cathypop  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:10:20pm

re: #30 MandyManners

Here's mine.

Liberman always reminds me of Marvin the Martian

35 SurferDoc  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:10:27pm

re: #26 lifeofthemind

Folderol? Guys and Dolls!


[Video]

"I've got the horse right here..."

36 albusteve  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:10:36pm

re: #27 freedombilly

I'd rather chat with George Martin.

I'd rather chat with Harvey Martin...be hard to do tho

37 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:10:36pm

re: #31 Killgore Trout

Cool. It's better. No debate.

38 vxbush  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:10:39pm

Too late, Charles. I've been mucking about and folderoling all day. I have gotten nothing of substance or value done today but played with sound recordings from a recent movie. More fun than chores.

Oh, wait. Just about everything is more fun than chores.

39 HoosierHoops  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:10:40pm

re: #24 Daisy

I'm all ready to lollygag. Finally took down the Christmas decorations. Whew.

Well coaches always say ' Now boys..don't be caught watching the paint dry'

40 Daisy  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:10:41pm

re: #28 jcm

Ha!

41 freedombilly  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:10:54pm

re: #18 kcladderman

Heres my favorite martian

Oh you said martin never mind

And here's mine

42 JacksonTn  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:10:57pm

re: #31 Killgore Trout

I'm here but how much better that makes it is debatable.

Come on Kilgore ...you are pretty dang good at debating ...

43 BignJames  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:10:58pm

re: #27 freedombilly

I'd rather chat with George Martin.


Cool. Got a phone #? I'll put him on conference.

44 albusteve  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:11:13pm

re: #31 Killgore Trout

I'm here but how much better that makes it is debatable.

comb your hair...

45 summergurl  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:11:23pm

re: #21 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

How do you feel about balderdash?

Or shenanigans?

46 Lynn B.  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:11:30pm

This is like waiting to see which elevator door will open next. And then the mad rush ...

47 MandyManners  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:11:33pm

KABUL, Afghanistan – The 14-year-old Afghan rape victim told the doctor that her brother took her to a cowshed, where he and her mother held her down as he cut out her 5-month fetus with a razor blade, then stitched up the wound with string.

The girl blacked out from the pain but said she remembered seeing her brother hold up the fetus, said Dr. Gulam Mohammad Nader, who treated the teen in a hospital in Bamiyan in central Afghanistan.

The girl was in critical condition Friday at Bagram Air Base outside Kabul, where she was flown the night before after developing a dangerous infection, said Capt. Elizabeth Mathias, a spokeswoman for U.S. forces in Afghanistan.

The 20-year-old brother was arrested and told The Associated Press in an interview from his jail cell Friday that he was trying to shield the family from public scorn.

In conservative Afghanistan, the shame of sex outside marriage can ruin the lives of a victim and her family. Girls who are raped have little chance of ever getting married and are often blamed for the attack.

SNIP

48 Daisy  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:11:36pm

Anyone here ever use the "Fit for Life" diet plan?

49 SurferDoc  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:12:00pm

re: #30 MandyManners

Here's mine.

Hey, I resemble that!

50 Smilla  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:12:01pm

Or yodelling?

51 yma o hyd  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:12:07pm

re: #32 pre-Boomer Marine brat

I'm guessing he'll open with a Russian novel-length post.

I think you may well be right!

52 Pietr  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:12:10pm

re: #9 BignJames

Is he preparing a presentation? Powerpoint?

Hopefully, it's not an attempt to deliver a virus, or malware...:>(

53 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:12:14pm

re: #45 summergurl

Or shenanigans?

Fiddledeedee on shenanigans.

54 Dar ul Harb  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:12:23pm

Question for Mr. Martin when he arrives:

Your company is apparently well known for its remarkable access to areas of conflict, particularly the Middle East. Do you feel any obligation (journalistic or otherwise) to inform your customers (or their viewers) what censorship restrictions your sources operate under in producing the stories you offer?

55 reine.de.tout  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:12:23pm

What has happened to Mr Martin?

56 Killgore Trout  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:12:26pm

re: #44 albusteve

comb your hair...

Ok, just don't make me put on pants.

57 goddessoftheclassroom  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:12:29pm

re: #26 lifeofthemind

Folderol? Guys and Dolls!


I love that show. I love Frank Sinatra. Sigh.

58 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:12:38pm

re: #42 JacksonTn

Come on Kilgore ...you are pretty dang good at debating ...

Oh, for DEBATING? I though FBV wanted Killgore here for lollygagging amidst the folderol.

59 Guanxi88  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:12:45pm

re: #45 summergurl

Or shenanigans?

Cod-swaddle, anyone?

60 Cathypop  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:12:51pm

re: #56 Killgore Trout

Ok, just don't make me put on pants.


EEWWW!

61 Mardukhai  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:12:55pm

Folderol... For decades, Chef Mike Roy used that word every day on his 10 a.m. cooking show on KNX News Radio...

62 Smilla  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:13:28pm

re: #59 Guanxi88

Cod-swaddle, anyone?

Or flibbertyjibbets?

63 Killgore Trout  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:13:30pm

RoP in UK...
Yahoo pic

Protesters against Israeli military action in the Gaza Strip attack a Starbucks Coffee shop as they clash with British police in front of the gates to the Israeli Embassy in London, Saturday, Jan. 10, 2009.

64 SurferDoc  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:13:31pm

re: #57 goddessoftheclassroom

I love that show. I love Frank Sinatra. Sigh.

I have just about every recording he ever made. Almost all of Nat Cole, too.

65 Cathypop  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:13:35pm

re: #59 Guanxi88

Cod-swaddle, anyone?

What is Cod-Swaddle?

66 albusteve  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:13:36pm

re: #56 Killgore Trout

Ok, just don't make me put on pants.

no serious debater wears pants...do they?

67 [deleted]  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:13:42pm
68 Daisy  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:13:47pm

re: #47 MandyManners

That's from the lowest ring of Hell.

69 buzzdroid  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:13:48pm

IDF just whacked another bad guy

[Link: www.jpost.com...]

"IDF troops in the Gaza Strip on Saturday targeted Hamas operative Amir Mansi, a senior member of Izzadin Kassam, the group's military wing. "

"Mansi was killed while attempting to fire mortars at Givati troops at Jabal Rice, in the northern Gaza Strip. Two other combatants were also hit."

and here's the REALLY INTERESTING bit...

"The IDF commander said the fact that Mansi was personally involved in attacking Israeli troops showed that the Hamas military wing was in a serious state of distress, as senior Hamas operatives would not ordinarily venture out into battlefields.

The IDF officer also said that entire companies of Hamas had been completely wiped out, and some Hamas fighters had gone AWOL or fled battlefields. "

why would Israel call a cease fire now? THEY HAVE HAMAS ON THE RUN!

70 Sharmuta  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:13:56pm

Stinking, disingenuous, fascist sympathizing pricks!

/Just needed to get that off my chest.

71 Oh no...Sand People!  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:14:00pm

re: #54 Dar ul Harb

Question for Mr. Martin when he arrives:

Your company is apparently well known for its remarkable access to areas of conflict, particularly the Middle East. Do you feel any obligation (journalistic or otherwise) to inform your customers (or their viewers) what censorship restrictions your sources operate under in producing the stories you offer?

Answer: "Actually none, we spin it however way we see fit that pushes our agenda. DEATH TO ISRAEL! DEATH TO AMERICA!"

/couldn't help it.

72 JacksonTn  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:14:01pm

re: #58 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Oh, for DEBATING? I though FBV wanted Killgore here for lollygagging amidst the folderol.

Pre-boomer ...please don't make me go to the dictionary ...I am not one of the more book schooled lizards here ... dang it ...now I have to go to websters ...drats ...

73 reine.de.tout  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:14:16pm

re: #67 ploome hineni

empting his bladder

/full of it don;tchaknow

snicker.

74 Guanxi88  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:14:16pm

re: #65 Cathypop

What is Cod-Swaddle?

One of H.L. Mencken's many derisive terms for derisible nonsense.

75 MandyManners  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:14:20pm

Horsefeathers!

76 yma o hyd  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:14:37pm

re: #33 MandyManners

I first read it as "pulls my finger". (I've been around eight-year-old boys too much lately.)

Teeheehee!

But do enjoy these times - you tutn round and suddenly they're teenagers, sigh ...

77 Smilla  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:14:44pm

re: #64 SurferDoc

The Nelson Riddle recordings were the best.

78 LGoPs  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:14:44pm

re: #45 summergurl

Or shenanigans?

I prefer tomfoolery...

79 debutaunt  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:14:51pm

re: #57 goddessoftheclassroom

I love that show. I love Frank Sinatra. Sigh.

Actual entertainment.

80 MandyManners  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:14:54pm

re: #68 Daisy

That's from the lowest ring of Hell.

I'm really surprised it got reported.

81 Killgore Trout  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:15:07pm

re: #69 buzzdroid

"The IDF commander said the fact that Mansi was personally involved in attacking Israeli troops showed that the Hamas military wing was in a serious state of distress, as senior Hamas operatives would not ordinarily venture out into battlefields.


That's good news. I was wondering why the MSM wasn't showing pictures of Hamas fighters in the streets this time. Now we know.

82 Guanxi88  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:15:09pm

re: #78 LGoPs

I prefer tomfoolery...

Skylarking not to your liking?

83 Dar ul Harb  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:15:20pm

I recall that at times during wartime coverage, reporters (even CNN reporters, as I recall) have made a point of informing viewers that their stories were being reviewed by official censors.

84 Mardukhai  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:15:20pm

re: #21 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

How do I feel about balderdash?

I think it's b***s***!

WC Fields popularized balderdash. Everyone knew what he meant by it.

86 goddessoftheclassroom  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:15:27pm

re: #64 SurferDoc

I have just about every recording he ever made. Almost all of Nat Cole, too.

Ok, when will you next be in Pittsburgh?

87 Miss Trixie  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:15:28pm

Question for Mr. Martin:

Do your staff have any REAL experience to be "journalists" and are they trained to be objective or do their FEELINGS trump truth?

88 MandyManners  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:15:48pm

re: #57 goddessoftheclassroom

I love that show. I love Frank Sinatra. Sigh.

Youtube Video
89 Daisy  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:15:55pm

re: #80 MandyManners

I'm really surprised it got reported.

Good point. I wonder why?

90 HoosierHoops  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:15:56pm

re: #70 Sharmuta

Stinking, disingenuous, fascist sympathizing pricks!

/Just needed to get that off my chest.

You left out the most important word..Liars..

91 SurferDoc  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:15:59pm

re: #77 Smilla

The Nelson Riddle recordings were the best.

I have the Nelson Riddle arrangement of Night and Day on a karaoke tape. Great fun to sing with!

92 MandyManners  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:16:11pm

re: #85 ciaospirit

Where's Paul Martin's video of that?

Nice kind of folks he hangs out with.

93 debutaunt  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:16:34pm

re: #77 Smilla

The Nelson Riddle recordings were the best.

Songs for Swingin' Lovers.

94 yma o hyd  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:16:35pm

re: #47 MandyManners

That is so sick, I can't believe people do this in the 21st century.

Oh - wait ... ROP ...

95 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:16:42pm

re: #86 goddessoftheclassroom

Calm down, Goddess.

96 SurferDoc  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:16:47pm

re: #86 goddessoftheclassroom

Ok, when will you next be in Pittsburgh?

Lol!

97 albusteve  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:16:56pm

re: #90 HoosierHoops

You left out the most important word..Liars..

it's implied

98 jcm  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:17:09pm

re: #75 MandyManners

Horsefeathers!

Poppycock!

99 solomonpanting  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:17:11pm

re: #69 buzzdroid

why would Israel call a cease fire now? THEY HAVE HAMAS ON THE RUN!

It seems they have multiple stages to accomplish:

Israeli defense officials say they are prepared for a third stage of the offensive, in which ground troops would push much further into Gaza, but are still waiting for approval from the government.
The officials, speaking on condition of anonymity because they were discussing classified information, said the army also has a fourth stage planned that calls for a full reoccupation of Gaza and toppling of Hamas.

100 Smilla  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:17:23pm

re: #47 MandyManners

"Cultural differences" the moonbats say. They would prefer to leave Afghanistan in all its primitive wonder.

101 Cathypop  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:17:46pm

re: #98 jcm

Poppycock!

Horse doo-doo

102 MandyManners  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:17:52pm

re: #89 Daisy

Good point. I wonder why?

"Islam does not say that a woman who is raped should be killed because she is innocent," said Mullah Habibullah, a senior Muslim cleric in Kabul. "But some families, who don't know better and who aren't educated, sometimes they kill the woman."

JUST A ROP!

103 vxbush  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:18:02pm

re: #101 Cathypop

Horse doo-doo

Horsehockey works for me.

104 yma o hyd  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:18:07pm

re: #55 reine.de.tout

What has happened to Mr Martin?

Perhaps he's scared?

Hiya, [reine]!

105 lifeofthemind  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:18:08pm

Seriously, given the prior compromises that journalists admited to to gain acces to Saddam Hussein's Iraq and the documented controls that Hizbollah and Hamas exert over journalists in territories under their control, why aren't all reports from these areas labeled with disclaimers at least as clear as those that state a report from Israel was cleared by the IDF censor?

106 Smilla  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:18:10pm

re: #91 SurferDoc

And the ooh-coo Witchcraft! I grew up with Frankie - my mum was a big fan.

107 jwb7605  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:18:12pm

re: #101 Cathypop

Horse doo-doo

Balderdash, whippersnapper!

108 Racer X  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:18:16pm

Dude is probably lurking. I doubt he will jump in.

109 SurferDoc  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:18:19pm

re: #93 debutaunt

Songs for Swingin' Lovers.

Swing Easy and Only the Lonely!

110 buzzdroid  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:18:21pm

re: #83 Dar ul Harb

I recall that at times during wartime coverage, reporters (even CNN reporters, as I recall) have made a point of informing viewers that their stories were being reviewed by official censors.

but when the likes of CNN actually AGREE with the Hamas censors and media spinners, then its not censorship to them , is it?

if anything - this latest war only reinforces the view that the vast bulk of the media are a fifth column, who wont be happy untill Israel is destroyed.

111 Cathypop  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:18:26pm

re: #103 vxbush

Horsehockey works for me.

Bull-puck

112 JacksonTn  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:18:26pm

When will people learn ...its the cover up that always brings you down ...stop lying ... the truth will set you free (maybe) ...

113 MandyManners  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:18:32pm

Gotta' take a break. bbiaw

114 LGoPs  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:18:35pm

re: #98 jcm

Poppycock!

Oh poopydoodle...

115 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:18:42pm

re: #47 MandyManners

KABUL, Afghanistan – The 14-year-old Afghan rape victim told the doctor that her brother took her to a cowshed, where he and her mother held her down as he cut out her 5-month fetus with a razor blade, then stitched up the wound with string.

SNIP

One enormous problem within Islam is that it has grandfathered-in all sorts of pre-Islamic barbarisms like this. The Pathan/Pashtun culture reeks of them.

It's baffling to me that a religion wouldn't focus on making believers into better people. So it seems to be with much of Islam.

116 jaunte  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:18:47pm

Ralph Peters:

"...don't believe the propaganda about this conflict rallying Gaza's Palestinians behind Hamas. That's more little-brown-brother condescension, assuming all Arabs are so stupid they don't know who started this and who's dragging it out at their expense.

Gaza's people may not care much for Israelis, but they rue the day they cast their votes for Hamas. Hamas is killing them."

117 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:18:49pm

Sometimes the flames of patriotism get a bit expensive.

118 itellu3times  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:18:59pm

Ron Paul Martin!

119 Dustyvet  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:19:04pm

re: #98 jcm

Poppycock!

Mule Muffins!

120 vxbush  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:19:05pm

re: #114 LGoPs

Oh poopydoodle...

That's gonna need a pooperscooper.

121 goddessoftheclassroom  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:19:08pm

re: #95 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Calm down, Goddess.

It's not just that the good ones are taken; the other good ones live thousands of miles away.

122 lifeofthemind  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:19:32pm

Charles admonished us to be polite.

123 jcm  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:19:33pm

re: #101 Cathypop

Horse doo-doo

Horsepucky!

124 reine.de.tout  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:19:40pm

re: #104 yma o hyd

Perhaps he's scared?

Hiya, [reine]!

Hello, Yma!
Good to see you here.
Does everyone have their questions ready for Mr. Martin?

I'm not clear exactly why he is significant other than being the narrator of something. I didn't read the entire last thread. Can anyone clue me in?

125 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:19:53pm

re: #69 buzzdroid

A zillion up-dings!

126 vxbush  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:19:53pm

Alas, just when I get on LGF, I gotta go. Later, everyone...

127 debutaunt  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:20:07pm

re: #109 SurferDoc

Swing Easy and Only the Lonely!

Rrrrunnning across a meadow...

128 albusteve  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:20:09pm

re: #99 solomonpanting

re: #99 solomonpanting

if the IDF can get in front of the Litani river you might see the same approach used against the Hez

129 summergurl  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:20:18pm

re: #112 JacksonTn


There is alot of jabberwocky going on around here--

hope that Webster's isn't far away--- wouldn't want you to have to go too far...

130 HoosierHoops  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:20:19pm

re: #97 albusteve

it's implied

yea.. but you can't imply one of the most critical traits of a human..
Are you of good character? are you thief, a liar, a murderer? basic stuff really

131 jwb7605  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:20:22pm

re: #118 itellu3times

Ron Paul Martin!

I believe he does not wish to be formally addressed, however respectful the intent.

132 reine.de.tout  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:20:39pm

re: #126 vxbush

Alas, just when I get on LGF, I gotta go. Later, everyone...

You're gonna miss the good stuff!

133 Daisy  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:20:39pm

re: #47 MandyManners

KABUL, Afghanistan – The 14-year-old Afghan rape victim told the doctor that her brother took her to a cowshed, where he and her mother held her down as he cut out her 5-month fetus with a razor blade, then stitched up the wound with string.

SNIP

Reading more carefully, my guess is that the father/uncle of the murdered fetus is the rapist/brother. It's truly hellish. Also on further consideration, perhaps the fact it was reported is an indication of the good job our troops are doing in Afghanistan. Even the Msm can't keep it all under cover all the time.

134 Dar ul Harb  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:20:47pm

re: #83 Dar ul Harb

But of course I think they've mostly made a point of doing so when the censors were American military.

135 MJ  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:20:49pm

Via Instapundit:


"It was the Zionists' fault"
[Link: directorblue.blogspot.com...]

136 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:21:19pm

Cognito, Cognito, Cognito.

137 buzzdroid  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:21:26pm

re: #115 pre-Boomer Marine brat

One enormous problem within Islam is that it has grandfathered-in all sorts of pre-Islamic barbarisms like this. The Pathan/Pashtun culture reeks of them.

It's baffling to me that a religion wouldn't focus on making believers into better people. So it seems to be with much of Islam.

friend of mine pointed out recently that the Klingons in Star Trek are based on Islam.

Gene Rondenberry sure had a thing going with his predictions - although its happened somewhat sooner than he predicted.

Yup - the Klingons. thats Islam.

138 albusteve  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:21:26pm

re: #122 lifeofthemind

Charles admonished us to be polite.

he reminds me of my dear mom in that regard...

139 SurferDoc  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:21:33pm

re: #127 debutaunt

Rrrrunnning across a meadow...

...pickin' up lots of Forget-me-nots!

140 Killgore Trout  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:21:33pm

re: #124 reine.de.tout

He owns the company that is distributing the video and he's a personal friend of the cameraman.

142 LGoPs  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:21:45pm

re: #69 buzzdroid

IDF just whacked another bad guy

[Link: www.jpost.com...]

"IDF troops in the Gaza Strip on Saturday targeted Hamas operative Amir Mansi, a senior member of Izzadin Kassam, the group's military wing. "

"Mansi was killed while attempting to fire mortars at Givati troops at Jabal Rice, in the northern Gaza Strip. Two other combatants were also hit."

and here's the REALLY INTERESTING bit...

"The IDF commander said the fact that Mansi was personally involved in attacking Israeli troops showed that the Hamas military wing was in a serious state of distress, as senior Hamas operatives would not ordinarily venture out into battlefields.

The IDF officer also said that entire companies of Hamas had been completely wiped out, and some Hamas fighters had gone AWOL or fled battlefields. "

why would Israel call a cease fire now? THEY HAVE HAMAS ON THE RUN!

Now's the time to go for the throat...

143 goddessoftheclassroom  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:21:48pm

MandyManners, for you!

144 Guanxi88  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:21:54pm

re: #135 MJ

Via Instapundit:

"It was the Zionists' fault"
[Link: directorblue.blogspot.com...]

Great link

145 [deleted]  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:21:55pm
146 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:22:03pm

re: #123 jcm

Horsepucky!

Mouse twaddle!

147 Wilderstad  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:22:11pm

Re: Paul Martin.
I wish I could be here for the shredding.
I will look forward to reading the thread.

148 debutaunt  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:22:21pm

re: #139 SurferDoc

...pickin' up lots of Forget-me-nots!

I loved his phrasing!

149 yma o hyd  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:22:21pm

re: #105 lifeofthemind

Seriously, given the prior compromises that journalists admited to to gain acces to Saddam Hussein's Iraq and the documented controls that Hizbollah and Hamas exert over journalists in territories under their control, why aren't all reports from these areas labeled with disclaimers at least as clear as those that state a report from Israel was cleared by the IDF censor?

Because Israel is a military dictatorship, in case you didn't know, whereas hamas a pure freedomfighters who only tell the truth, always!

///

150 Dustyvet  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:22:22pm

re: #120 vxbush

That's gonna need a pooperscooper.

"Beaver Biscuits!"

151 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:22:42pm

re: #129 summergurl

There is alot of jabberwocky going on around here--

hope that Webster's isn't far away--- wouldn't want you to have to go too far...

Wacky jabber.

152 Dar ul Harb  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:22:47pm

re: #105 lifeofthemind

Or, as you say, IDF.

153 [deleted]  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:23:24pm
154 Cathypop  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:23:30pm

re: #150 Dustyvet

"Beaver Biscuits!"


fuchi-caca

155 buzzdroid  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:23:32pm

re: #142 LGoPs

i believe thats "stage three" of the IDF plan.
leaflets have be dropped already today warning about it.

expect some serious throat-grabbing by the IDF tommorow.

156 Smilla  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:23:38pm

re: #133 Daisy

Reading more carefully, my guess is that the father/uncle of the murdered fetus is the rapist/brother. It's truly hellish. Also on further consideration, perhaps the fact it was reported is an indication of the good job our troops are doing in Afghanistan. Even the Msm can't keep it all under cover all the time.

And it was a five-month old foetus. Sounds like she was trying to keep it secret...

157 itellu3times  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:23:46pm

re: #102 MandyManners

"Islam does not say that a woman who is raped should be killed because she is innocent," said Mullah Habibullah, a senior Muslim cleric in Kabul. "But some families, who don't know better and who aren't educated, sometimes they kill the woman."

The regional tradition that this aspect of Islam is based on does blame the woman for distracting the male. Who knows, maybe a holdover from what may have been a matriarchal tradition in some really ancient societies. Aren't some of the Greek origin myths supposed to be about the switch to patriarchy? And the Platonic (harumph) tradition of male sex with boys ... but Islam doesn't respect these kind of anthropological analysis, do they, cuz they're on a mission from G*d.

158 reine.de.tout  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:23:51pm

re: #140 Killgore Trout

He owns the company that is distributing the video and he's a personal friend of the cameraman.

thank you much.

159 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:24:08pm

re: #137 buzzdroid

friend of mine pointed out recently that the Klingons in Star Trek are based on Islam.

Gene Rondenberry sure had a thing going with his predictions - although its happened somewhat sooner than he predicted.

Yup - the Klingons. thats Islam.

Hmmm! ... I didn't know that.

160 lifeofthemind  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:24:33pm

re: #150 Dustyvet

"Beaver Biscuits!"

Camel Chips

161 jcm  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:24:58pm

re: #160 lifeofthemind

Camel Chips

Donkey Dots!

162 Dustyvet  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:24:59pm

re: #146 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Mouse twaddle!


"Buffalo bagels!"

163 Pigtown Water Dog  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:25:07pm

re: #133 Daisy

Thank G-d this story made it to the light of day--I just shook so hard when I read it; I can't imagine the barbarism.

164 Oh no...Sand People!  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:25:11pm

re: #142 LGoPs

Now's the time to go for the throat...

Exactly. Don't burn the Korans, just round them all up and put them on shelves with warning labels or something. "May induce terrorism."...something like that.
/

165 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:25:36pm

re: #160 lifeofthemind

Camel Chips

Goat garbanzos

166 Spiritualized  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:25:38pm
IDF just whacked another bad guy

Are Zahar and Haniyeh still alive?

Would love to see Meshaal hit in the next few days though I imagine he's 200ft underground with that chinless asshole.

167 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:25:49pm

re: #143 goddessoftheclassroom

Don't know why, but my favorite Sinatra.

168 yma o hyd  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:25:51pm

re: #124 reine.de.tout

Hello, Yma!
Good to see you here.
Does everyone have their questions ready for Mr. Martin?

I'm not clear exactly why he is significant other than being the narrator of something. I didn't read the entire last thread. Can anyone clue me in?

He's the one in whose name that Hamas website thing is registered, which the 'cameraman' set up/works for.
Its a cosy relationship, and no way is that cameraman a civilian 'just showing the world' what happend - not is Mr Martin just an innocent conduit for information.

The point that he contacted Charles from Gaza shows that quite well.

169 summergurl  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:25:57pm

re: #133 Daisy

Reading more carefully, my guess is that the father/uncle of the murdered fetus is the rapist/brother. It's truly hellish. Also on further consideration, perhaps the fact it was reported is an indication of the good job our troops are doing in Afghanistan. Even the Msm can't keep it all under cover all the time.

Where did you read "more carefully" to ascertain that? The story states it is a construction worker. Not that it matters And the uncle would be the sister's brother without having to guess.

170 Killgore Trout  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:25:58pm

re: #158 reine.de.tout
He was also quoted in CNN defense of the video...

Gaza video genuine, journalists say

"It's absolute nonsense," Paul Martin, co-owner of World News and Features, said of accusations leveled by bloggers at videographer Ashraf Mashharawi.

"He's a man of enormous integrity and would never get involved with any sort of manipulation of images, let alone when the person dying is his own brother," Martin said. "I know the whole family. I know them very well. ... [Mashharawi] is upset and angry that anyone would think of him having done anything like this. ... This is ridiculous. He's independent."

171 Dustyvet  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:26:05pm

re: #165 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Goat garbanzos

"That is Grade A, one hundred percent, bull cookies!"

172 Dar ul Harb  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:26:12pm

Is our special guest going to be appearing on the open thread or the one below?

Or perhaps if Charles can arrange it, maybe the lizards can just write questions for Charles to ask Mr. Martin for an interview on PJTV? Surely as a video production company, Mr. Martin would likely have access to a webcamera.

173 akak  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:26:20pm

We need another CNN poll, Ron Paul should do better this time round now that his minions know.

174 buzzdroid  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:26:28pm

re: #159 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Hmmm! ... I didn't know that.

yeah - my friend is a huge star trek geek and pointed out a few things during an IM chat i had with him.

i'll dig up some linkies for ya.

175 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:26:30pm

re: #68 Daisy

re: #165 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Goat garbanzos

Cow Patties!

176 Racer X  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:26:30pm

I'm just wondering - with all the Iranian and Saudi money flowing in, how come Gaza is NOT a beautiful Mediterranean resort city?

I mean with all that money and all those people looking for work, they couldn't build a couple of resorts? They had to grab most of the money for Hamas leadership to hide away, the rest going for explosives?

177 SurferDoc  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:26:40pm

re: #148 debutaunt

I loved his phrasing!

...which he said was inspired by Tommy Dorsey's trombone phrasing. (I could go on about this music until I bore everyone to tears and downdings!)

178 solomonpanting  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:26:41pm

re: #128 albusteve

if the IDF can get in front of the Litani river you might see the same approach used against the Hez

I heard on the radio yesterday that Lebanese were pissed at Hezbollah for the damage their actions against Israel had inflicted upon them in the 2006 war. This is why the Lebanese government was so quick to disavow last week's rocket attacks.

179 Smilla  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:26:42pm

re: #157 itellu3times

The regional tradition that this aspect of Islam is based on does blame the woman for distracting the male. Who knows, maybe a holdover from what may have been a matriarchal tradition in some really ancient societies. Aren't some of the Greek origin myths supposed to be about the switch to patriarchy? And the Platonic (harumph) tradition of male sex with boys ... but Islam doesn't respect these kind of anthropological analysis, do they, cuz they're on a mission from G*d.

That's why women have to cover themselves in scarves and loose clothing - so they don't tempt men! But still they are attacked.

180 jcm  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:26:45pm

Something I never thought I'd see...

A scat thread.

181 Dustyvet  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:26:48pm

re: #175 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

re: #165 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Cow Patties!

"Sufferin' sheepdip!"

182 summergurl  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:27:12pm

re: #145 ploome hineni

even animals don;t do that

These animals do. It's horrific.

183 Guanxi88  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:27:17pm

re: #181 Dustyvet

"Sufferin' sheepdip!"

Easy, there. Bruce is in charge of the sheepdip.

184 Miss Trixie  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:27:18pm

Meadow Muffins!

185 Daisy  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:27:20pm

re: #169 summergurl

I guess not carefully enough.

186 Killgore Trout  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:27:32pm

re: #170 Killgore Trout

"He's a man of enormous integrity and would never get involved with any sort of manipulation of images, let alone when the person dying is his own brother,"


Would a man "of enormous integrity" also host websites and do IT work for a known terrorist organization?

187 jaunte  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:27:33pm

re: #170 Killgore Trout

"[Mashharawi] is upset and angry that anyone would think of him having done anything like this."

Because anger and upset is always the most convincing proof that one is telling the truth.

188 SurferDoc  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:27:44pm

re: #167 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Don't know why, but my favorite Sinatra.

Because it is sublime.

189 Dar ul Harb  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:27:52pm

re: #172 Dar ul Harb

Time to open the Spy, I guess.

190 reine.de.tout  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:28:05pm

re: #168 yma o hyd


re: #170 Killgore Trout

OK, I think I have the picture, thank you both.

I wonder if there a way I could set my computer to sound an alarm when Mr Martin arrives? That way I can go and do . . . stuff.

I guess not.

191 Smilla  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:28:29pm

re: #175 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

re: #165 pre-Boomer Marine brat


Cow Patties!

careful now - we don't want to say anything unsavory.

192 Sharmuta  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:28:35pm

re: #176 Racer X

I'm just wondering - with all the Iranian and Saudi money flowing in, how come Gaza is NOT a beautiful Mediterranean resort city?

I mean with all that money and all those people looking for work, they couldn't build a couple of resorts? They had to grab most of the money for Hamas leadership to hide away, the rest going for explosives?

They have the primo real estate- you'd think they could have a big tourism industry, but no. It's more important to push the Jews into the sea than willingly let people pay for the chance to swim in it.

193 Dustyvet  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:28:39pm

re: #183 Guanxi88

Easy, there. Bruce is in charge of the sheepdip.

"Sufferin' saddlesoap!"

194 NYCHardhat  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:29:18pm

Pointless Obama story. Who is keeping count?

195 Killgore Trout  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:29:26pm

Media whore Mads...
AP pic

Norwegian doctors Eric Fosse, right and his colleague doctor Mads Gilbert talk to reporters after arriving from Gaza in a Palestinian ambulance at the Egyptian border crossing terminal of Rafah, Egypt Saturday, Jan. 10, 2009. Dr Gilbert called the Israeli offensive in Gaza "completely useless" and compared the isolated Gaza Strip, home to 1.4 million people, to the Warsaw ghetto in Poland where Jews were forced to live during the Nazi occupation Describing the hospital where he worked, Gilbert said it was completely overwhelmed and that there weren't enough beds, operating rooms or supplies to take care of the wounded who kept flowing in daily.


Yet he wasted a hospital, an EKG machine and the time of his staff to fake a video. He sure has lots of time for interviews.

196 Spiritualized  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:29:36pm

CNN says CNN video of CNN scene in hospital is definitely 100% genuine CNN footage of a real incident.

197 lifeofthemind  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:29:38pm

Now that we have convinced our guest that he is entering a mature professional venue...

Gives up on removing toilet paper from the faculty lounge Xmas party decorations

Does spot pail of water over the door and takes down.

198 reine.de.tout  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:29:43pm

re: #187 jaunte

"[Mashharawi] is upset and angry that anyone would think of him having done anything like this."

Because anger and upset is always the most convincing proof that one is telling the truth.

Heh.
I have noticed that when my daughter gets angry and defensive it is exactly because I am at or very close to a truth she doesn't want me to know.

199 Lynn B.  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:29:45pm

The longer he takes to show up, the more the (at least initial) cordiality is going to wear thin, I suspect.

Maybe he got cold feet.

200 buzzdroid  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:30:06pm

re: #145 ploome hineni

even animals don;t do that

Cuckoos do - but then again thats to other species.

yeah - i think your right. cant think of a single species that does that sort of thing to their own kind.

After birth its a different matter - male lions kill the cubs of a rival lion for example- but pre-birth? nah. cant think of a single species that does that.

201 Pietr  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:30:10pm

re: #150 Dustyvet

"Beaver Biscuits!"

Dam beavers...always slowing, or stopping the flow...

202 [deleted]  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:30:29pm
203 Guanxi88  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:30:29pm

re: #194 NYCHardhat

Pointless Obama story. Who is keeping count?

Look, keeping a personality cult running is hard work. It takes dedication and persistence in order to flesh out the Great Leader's character for the masses. Consequently, anything and everything Dear Leader does is newsworthy.

204 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:30:31pm

re: #188 SurferDoc

Because it is sub-lime.

Orange you nice.

205 Killgore Trout  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:30:34pm

re: #199 Lynn B.

It's late there. Maybe he fell asleep.

206 yma o hyd  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:30:39pm

re: #190 reine.de.tout

re: #170 Killgore Trout

OK, I think I have the picture, thank you both.

I wonder if there a way I could set my computer to sound an alarm when Mr Martin arrives? That way I can go and do . . . stuff.

I guess not.

I bet Madame Dog will give me the stare just when Mr Martin turns up, and I'll have to accede to her wishes ...

207 Sharmuta  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:30:44pm

re: #199 Lynn B.

The longer he takes to show up, the more the (at least initial) cordiality is going to wear thin, I suspect.

Maybe he got cold feet.

Maybe his lawyer red-lighted the idea.

208 Miss Trixie  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:30:45pm

killgore

"It's absolute nonsense," Paul Martin, co-owner of World News and Features, said of accusations leveled by bloggers at videographer Ashraf Mashharawi.

"He's a man of enormous integrity and would never get involved with any sort of manipulation of images, let alone when the person dying is his own brother," Martin said. "I know the whole family. I know them very well. ... [Mashharawi] is upset and angry that anyone would think of him having done anything like this. ... This is ridiculous. He's independent."

Sorry - NOT buying it. Even the very smartest among us can be manipulated and fooled into this kind of propaganda.

I would love to have Mr. Martin explain this, please.

209 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:30:49pm

re: #180 jcm

Something I never thought I'd see...

A scat thread.

It's oozing out of the ventilation slots in my monitor!
Be back in a few ... gotta go rent a wet-vac.
*gag cough choke*
*receeding running footsteps*

210 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:30:55pm

re: #195 Killgore Trout

Ouch!

211 jcm  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:31:04pm

re: #205 Killgore Trout

It's late there. Maybe he fell asleep.

He has to research the latest approved talking points.

212 jaunte  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:31:05pm

re: #198 reine.de.tout

Heh. Our teenagers do get very hurt and angry when we don't believe their very reasonable lies!

213 akak  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:31:13pm

re: #176 Racer X

I'm just wondering - with all the Iranian and Saudi money flowing in, how come Gaza is NOT a beautiful Mediterranean resort city?

I mean with all that money and all those people looking for work, they couldn't build a couple of resorts? They had to grab most of the money for Hamas leadership to hide away, the rest going for explosives?


Israeli, US, Can, Brit, Russian too, hell they get some from all over.

214 JacksonTn  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:31:22pm

re: #192 Sharmuta

They have the primo real estate- you'd think they could have a big tourism industry, but no. It's more important to push the Jews into the sea than willingly let people pay for the chance to swim in it.

Sharm ...exactly ...I know they don't gamble (I think) but I think they should have put in the only middle east casino ...just let infidels gamble ...they are wasting the real estate out of hate ...idiots ...

215 albusteve  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:31:41pm

re: #178 solomonpanting

I heard on the radio yesterday that Lebanese were pissed at Hezbollah for the damage their actions against Israel had inflicted upon them in the 2006 war. This is why the Lebanese government was so quick to disavow last week's rocket attacks.


well they sure are getting a good lesson in death and destruction by proxie if they are paying attention to Gaza eh?

216 Basho  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:31:44pm

re: #116 jaunte

Ralph Peters:

"...don't believe the propaganda about this conflict rallying Gaza's Palestinians behind Hamas. That's more little-brown-brother condescension, assuming all Arabs are so stupid they don't know who started this and who's dragging it out at their expense.

I just love Ralph Peters. The Sun Tzu of modern times, as somebody on Amazon once put it...

217 Killgore Trout  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:31:44pm

re: #211 jcm

I suspect CNN would rather he not talk to us.

218 SurferDoc  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:31:51pm

re: #204 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Orange you nice.

I'm speachless!

219 Racer X  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:32:20pm

re: #196 Spiritualized

CNN says CNN video of CNN scene in hospital is definitely 100% genuine CNN footage of a real incident.

They have proof - they asked those who were involved and the response was "of course it was real!"

I'm convinced.

220 kcladderman  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:32:21pm

re: #188 SurferDoc

Because it is sublime.

No its Sinatra.
/

221 jaunte  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:32:31pm

re: #195 Killgore Trout

He sure has lots of time for interviews.

Yes!

222 Dustyvet  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:32:35pm

re: #196 Spiritualized

CNN says CNN video of CNN scene in hospital is definitely 100% genuine CNN footage of a real incident.

When do you know CNN is lying? When it's on the air.

223 reine.de.tout  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:32:43pm

re: #212 jaunte

Heh. Our teenagers do get very hurt and angry when we don't believe their very reasonable lies!

eggs-zactly.

224 Lynn B.  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:32:53pm

re: #207 Sharmuta

Maybe his lawyer red-lighted the idea.

A very real possibility.

225 Pigtown Water Dog  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:33:10pm

re: #206 yma o hyd

You stay put! Miss Doggie can wait...just like the rest of us! ;)

226 [deleted]  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:33:13pm
227 Sharmuta  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:33:18pm

re: #214 JacksonTn

Sharm ...exactly ...I know they don't gamble (I think) but I think they should have put in the only middle east casino ...just let infidels gamble ...they are wasting the real estate out of hate ...idiots ...

They don't even need to do that! They could have shari'a compliant beach resorts and make millions from the saudis, and others. Whatever that wanted to make of it, they could. But they'd rather have death, destruction, and misery by waging jihad against Israel.

228 Guanxi88  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:33:31pm

re: #214 JacksonTn

Sharm ...exactly ...I know they don't gamble (I think) but I think they should have put in the only middle east casino ...just let infidels gamble ...they are wasting the real estate out of hate ...idiots ...

And that brings up something else I've noticed. Arabs, at least every last one of the ones I've known here stateside (mostly Lebanese, but a few self-described Palis as well) tend to be natural businessmen and shrewd ones, too. (The expression "camel trader" did not arise our of nowhere.)

Anyway, WTF is it with the ones who decide to stay in their hellhole homelands? Are they just less industrious, maybe, or perhaps not as smart?

229 Killgore Trout  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:33:33pm

re: #221 jaunte

Think about all the people waiting to see a doctor while he's faking videos and doing interviews. It's pretty disgraceful.

230 goddessoftheclassroom  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:33:36pm

Proof that new isn't always better...

231 buzzdroid  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:33:42pm

re: #159 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Hmmm! ... I didn't know that.


[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

"Klingons who follow the Way of the Warrior, the belief system developed by Kahless the Unforgettable, value honor above all else. "

Islam is full of saving face and saving your "honour" - such as "honour killings"

Islam also was founded by a warrior - Mohammed.

"Those who die with purpose and honor are said to join Kahless, who had been the first Klingon emperor, and a messianic figure in the Way of the Warrior,"

Islamic Jihad and the suicide bomber

"The honored dead are not mourned, but celebrated. "

See any Pallywood funeral...

"Klingon beliefs were recorded in a series of scrolls collectively referred to as the Paq'batlh, or Book of Honor."

The Koran

232 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:34:16pm

re: #199 Lynn B.

Maybe he got cold feet.

Very possible.

Charles indicated strongly that Martin now has an account. My guess is that he's in here, listening to the mechanical clicking as Lizards lock-and-load.

233 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:34:19pm

re: #218 SurferDoc

I'm speachless!

It's nutin.

234 debutaunt  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:34:40pm
Youtube Video

Those fingers in my hair.

235 reine.de.tout  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:34:44pm

re: #226 ploome hineni

that his boyfriend?

or does he prefer rough?

I liked the caption. Dr. Fosse is apparently a plural doc:Norwegian doctors Eric Fosse, right and his colleague doctor Mads Gilbert talk to reporters after arriving from Gaza in a Palestinian ambulance at the Egyptian border crossing terminal of Rafah, Egypt Saturday,

236 Charles Johnson  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:34:56pm

He has an account, it's activated, and I'm pretty sure he'll be posting shortly.

237 freedombilly  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:35:28pm

re: #236 Charles

He has an account, it's activated, and I'm pretty sure he'll be posting shortly.

Here we go!

238 Oh no...Sand People!  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:35:38pm

re: #207 Sharmuta

Maybe his lawyer red-lighted the idea.

No kidding. LGF isn't a 'memory hole' friendly place. Accountability? Why when you can just 'change' what you said.

239 Dar ul Harb  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:35:39pm

Another question for Mr. Martin, if he shows...

Could you provide any examples of stories your company has produced that present the stories of families of Israeli civilians killed or wounded by the Palestinian "resistance"?

240 Griffon  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:35:41pm

re: #204 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Orange you nice.


Appearantly he is.

241 Pullus Iulius  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:35:49pm

re: #232 pre-Boomer Marine brat

I thought he already had an account. As annefrance.

242 reine.de.tout  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:35:51pm

re: #236 Charles

He has an account, it's activated, and I'm pretty sure he'll be posting shortly.

So, I have time, I guess, to grab a cup of coffee.

243 albusteve  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:35:57pm

re: #207 Sharmuta

Maybe his lawyer red-lighted the idea.

presto!

244 jcm  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:36:08pm

re: #236 Charles

He has an account, it's activated, and I'm pretty sure he'll be posting shortly.

Stay classy lizards. It will be worth the effort.

245 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:36:08pm

re: #230 goddessoftheclassroom

How I love the Nat King Cole version.

246 SurferDoc  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:36:10pm

re: #220 kcladderman

No its Sinatra.
/

Agreed. But--it was unrehearsed, done in one take, heartfelt, and achingly beautiful and timeless. Sublime!

247 Oh no...Sand People!  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:36:15pm

re: #229 Killgore Trout

Think about all the people waiting to see a doctor while he's faking videos and doing interviews. It's pretty disgraceful.

As long as it's waiting here at LGF...there is no other place I'd rather be.

248 HoosierHoops  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:36:53pm

re: #236 Charles

He has an account, it's activated, and I'm pretty sure he'll be posting shortly.

Thank you for the forum Charles

249 MandyManners  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:37:06pm

Put your pants on, KT.

250 Guanxi88  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:37:13pm

re: #244 jcm

Stay classy lizards. It will be worth the effort.

Gotta agree. This guy knows (maybe) what he's in for, and it takes some real effort or bravery (maybe both) to walk into a hostile room.

251 albusteve  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:37:28pm

re: #217 Killgore Trout

I suspect CNN would rather he not talk to us.

and risk his honey hole money maker...probably...I was wondering just how he could knife CNN for this embarrassment

252 Killgore Trout  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:37:37pm

re: #249 MandyManners

Never!

253 jaunte  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:37:48pm

re: #235 reine.de.tout

Dr. Eric Fosse does a lot of interviews in aid of Hamas, too:
[Link: www.google.com...]

254 buzzdroid  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:37:55pm

Just to be 100 per cent CLEAR about this - is Paul Martin a CNN reporter or a BBC reporter?

255 Oh no...Sand People!  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:37:58pm

re: #229 Killgore Trout

Think about all the people waiting to see a doctor while he's faking videos and doing interviews. It's pretty disgraceful.

AH! Read it wrong...sorry.

256 jcm  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:38:02pm

re: #247 Oh no...Sand People!

As long as it's waiting here at LGF...there is no other place I'd rather be.

Waiting...

Youtube Video
257 itellu3times  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:38:02pm

re: #236 Charles

He has an account, it's activated, and I'm pretty sure he'll be posting shortly.

Has he ever looked at LGF before today?

What is his favorite dessert?

I have so many questions.

258 lifeofthemind  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:38:14pm

re: #230 goddessoftheclassroom

Proof that new isn't always better...

"So round so full so firmly packed"

Sinatra is not what that makes me think of

259 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:38:18pm

re: #249 MandyManners

Put your pants on, KT.

If Killgore's not going to, then neither am I !

260 itellu3times  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:38:23pm

re: #254 buzzdroid

Just to be 100 per cent CLEAR about this - is Paul Martin a CNN reporter or a BBC reporter?

No.

261 summergurl  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:38:29pm

re: #250 Guanxi88

Gotta agree. This guy knows (maybe) what he's in for, and it takes some real effort or bravery (maybe both) to walk into a hostile room.


And maybe a Jack and Coke beforehand...

262 kcladderman  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:38:54pm

re: #246 SurferDoc

Agreed. But--it was unrehearsed, done in one take, heartfelt, and achingly beautiful and timeless. Sublime!

Sublime

263 Smilla  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:39:00pm

re: #257 itellu3times

LOL!

264 Guanxi88  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:39:07pm

re: #261 summergurl

And maybe a Jack and Coke beforehand...

Couldn't hurt. I used to go for the old bourbon highball whenever I was about to face a tough crowd.

265 albusteve  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:39:12pm

re: #259 pre-Boomer Marine brat

If Killgore's not going to, then neither am I !

GROUP MOON!

266 yma o hyd  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:39:19pm

re: #225 Pigtown Water Dog

You stay put! Miss Doggie can wait...just like the rest of us! ;)

Thats what you think!
You haven't met her - if she want out I have to let her ... or else!

Oh - and she's Madame Dog now, due to her station in life.

267 buzzdroid  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:39:43pm

re: #250 Guanxi88

Gotta agree. This guy knows (maybe) what he's in for, and it takes some real effort or bravery (maybe both) to walk into a hostile room.

my own opinion - but i think we all gotta stay calm , and use logical arguments, rather than viewpoints or political stances.

i would suggest that we stay reasoned and calm. (unlike the shoe throwing moonbat Islamist rioters who are beating up Jews in London today...)

268 Killgore Trout  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:39:51pm

re: #254 buzzdroid

Gaza video genuine, journalists say


There's no truth to accusations by bloggers that a Palestinian camera crew staged a video showing the death of the videographer's brother after an Israeli rocket attack, said the team's employer.

"It's absolute nonsense," Paul Martin, co-owner of World News and Features, said of accusations leveled by bloggers at videographer Ashraf Mashharawi.

"He's a man of enormous integrity and would never get involved with any sort of manipulation of images, let alone when the person dying is his own brother," Martin said. "I know the whole family. I know them very well. ... [Mashharawi] is upset and angry that anyone would think of him having done anything like this. ... This is ridiculous. He's independent."

269 debutaunt  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:39:59pm

re: #265 albusteve

GROUP MOON!

Everybody - up on the ski lift!

270 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:40:13pm

re: #258 lifeofthemind

"So round so full so firmly packed"

Sinatra is not what that makes me think of

How many was that said of ... ?
I don't think my calculator runs out that many decimal places.

271 reine.de.tout  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:40:18pm

re: #253 jaunte

Dr. Eric Fosse does a lot of interviews in aid of Hamas, too:
[Link: www.google.com...]

I guess perhaps he may have been the doc who was tending to actual living patients, then, while Dr. Mads was otherwise engaged.

272 MJ  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:40:19pm

H RES 34 2/3 YEA-AND-NAY 9-Jan-2009 1:40 PM

BILL TITLE: Recognizing Israel’s right to defend itself against attacks from Gaza, reaffirming the United States’ strong support for Israel, and supporting the Israeli-Palestinian peace process

YEAS NAYS PRES NV
DEMOCRATIC 222 4 22 8
REPUBLICAN 168 1 8
INDEPENDENT
TOTALS 390 5 22 16

NAYS
Kucinich
Moore (WI)
Paul
Rahall
Waters

PRESENT
Abercrombie
Blumenauer
DeFazio
Dingell
Edwards (MD)
Ellison
Farr
Grijalva
Hinchey
Johnson (GA)
Kilpatrick (MI)
Lee (CA)
McCollum
McDermott
Miller, George
Moran (VA)
Olver
Payne
Sanchez, Loretta
Stark
Watson
Woolsey

273 buzzdroid  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:40:24pm

re: #260 itellu3times

No.

or right. so he's a freelance guy operating in Gaza?

274 Almostout  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:40:26pm
Norwegian police detain 27 in clashes over Gaza
Thu Jan 8, 2009 10:10pm GMT
OSLO (Reuters) - Oslo police detained at least 27 people on Thursday after pro-Israeli and pro-Palestinian demonstrators clashed in one of the worst such outbursts in the Norwegian capital since the 1980s

[Link: uk.reuters.com...]

275 Killgore Trout  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:40:29pm

re: #259 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Solidarity!

276 SurferDoc  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:40:32pm

re: #262 kcladderman

Sublime

Arghh! LOL!

277 lifeofthemind  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:40:35pm

re: #269 debutaunt

Everybody - up on the ski lift!

Are you crazy? It is cold out there

278 MandyManners  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:40:48pm

Hey, Paul? Boxers or briefs?

279 JacksonTn  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:40:49pm

Mr. Martin ...my only request ...don't go all Blago on us and start spewing poetry ...okay ...

280 Pigtown Water Dog  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:40:55pm

re: #266 yma o hyd

I picture her like one of the old movie stars--no matter how old, they always had that youthful insouciance--

281 Spiritualized  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:40:57pm

Wow, a real life journalist has come to visit!re: #254 buzzdroid

Just to be 100 per cent CLEAR about this - is Paul Martin a CNN reporter or a BBC reporter?

What's the difference? For God's sake just don't look directly into its eyes.

282 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:41:03pm

re: #265 albusteve

GROUP MOON!

Maybe I should change my avatar for the occasion?

283 yma o hyd  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:41:18pm

re: #228 Guanxi88

They've been on the 'International Aids' drip for so long that they have forgotten how to work for themselves.
Just like any recipient of state welfare ...

284 Dustyvet  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:41:25pm

re: #249 MandyManners

Put your pants on, KT.

No turn your head and cough...Dr. Ernest will be with you shortly...

285 HoosierHoops  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:41:31pm

Mr. Martin..To begin the questions..
My favorite Clapton song goes 'Tell the truth..tell me who's been fooling who?'
Comment?

286 itellu3times  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:41:36pm

re: #273 buzzdroid

or right. so he's a freelance guy operating in Gaza?

Yeah, free in Hamas-controlled Gaza, you do the math.

287 Dar ul Harb  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:41:53pm

And, as a tribute to professional journalism...

If you were a tree, what kind of tree would you be?

(Obviously not a Gharqad tree.)

288 jaunte  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:42:02pm

Gilbert and Fosse are both complaining about the Israeli use of a weapon designed to reduce collateral damage with a smaller radius of blast destruction, claiming that they "suspect" survivors of these explosions will develop cancer, (even though they admit there is very little research to back them up.)
[Link: people.boston.com...]

289 Sharmuta  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:42:13pm

re: #257 itellu3times

Has he ever looked at LGF before today?

What is his favorite dessert?

I have so many questions.

What will his avatar be?
Has he done any work for Harun Yahya?
Does he prefer waffles or pancakes?

290 albusteve  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:42:13pm

re: #275 Killgore Trout

Solidarity!

the herd mentality me thinks...

291 buzzdroid  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:42:14pm

re: #274 Almostout

[Link: uk.reuters.com...]

seems to be awfully well co-ordinated.
riots in London too.

i guess the riots will increase in frequency the more the IDF tighten their grip on Hamas's throat.

292 MandyManners  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:42:22pm

re: #279 JacksonTn

Mr. Martin ...my only request ...don't go all Blago on us and start spewing poetry ...okay ...

There was a young man named Achmed...

293 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:42:27pm

re: #275 Killgore Trout

Solidarity!

Cheek-to-...?
/naw ... don't think I'll post that.

294 Guanxi88  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:42:35pm

re: #283 yma o hyd

They've been on the 'International Aids' drip for so long that they have forgotten how to work for themselves.
Just like any recipient of state welfare ...

Yeah, that's probably the explanation.

295 Racer X  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:42:51pm

re: #140 Killgore Trout

He owns the company that is distributing the video and he's a personal friend of the cameraman.

re: Paul Martin

Keep your inquiries relative to what he may have knowledge of.

296 Lincolntf  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:43:00pm

re: #268 Killgore Trout

In related news, Nixon cleared Nixon of Watergate, Clinton cleared Clinton of Monica Lewinsky, Rather cleared Rather of Rathergate and Obama cleared Obama in the pay to play to scandal.

297 albusteve  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:43:01pm

re: #282 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Maybe I should change my avatar for the occasion?

no just wear clean skivvies

298 itellu3times  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:43:10pm

re: #289 Sharmuta

What will his avatar be?
Has he done any work for Harun Yahya?
Does he prefer waffles or pancakes?

I believe he has film of The Creation.

299 HoosierHoops  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:43:14pm

re: #292 MandyManners

There was a young man named Achmed...

SILENCE! I KEEL YOU!

300 freedombilly  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:43:30pm

He could win some brownie points by first posting "Hello Honcos!".

301 lifeofthemind  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:43:41pm

So do you think a girl will respect a boy who kisses on the first date?

302 invictus1  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:43:50pm

re: #272 MJ

I'm guessing the one Republican who voted against it was Ron Paul?

Well, I guess my vote for 'Ron Paul' in the previous poll here yesterday was right on the mark... :P

303 buzzdroid  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:44:00pm

re: #286 itellu3times

Yeah, free in Hamas-controlled Gaza, you do the math.

i guess he's not a prime candidate for the sport of Hamas Roof Throwing so...

304 reine.de.tout  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:44:01pm

re: #273 buzzdroid

or right. so he's a freelance guy operating in Gaza?

Buzz - Killgore has answered this a couple of times (once for me) see here

305 JacksonTn  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:44:03pm

Obligatory football song ...for Mr. Martin ...

Youtube Video
306 summergurl  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:44:07pm

re: #291 buzzdroid

seems to be awfully well co-ordinated.
riots in London too.

i guess the riots will increase in frequency the more the IDF tighten their grip on Hamas's throat.

The riot in Ft. Lauderdale, of all places, surprised me. Not so much the LA one.

307 yma o hyd  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:44:27pm

re: #280 Pigtown Water Dog

I picture her like one of the old movie stars--no matter how old, they always had that youthful insouciance--

Yep - check my avatar!

308 So?  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:44:39pm

Uncle Jay explains 2008.

Youtube Video
309 Oh no...Sand People!  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:44:39pm

My question:
Citizen first, Journalist second, yes or no?

310 buzzdroid  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:44:42pm

re: #304 reine.de.tout

Buzz - Killgore has answered this a couple of times (once for me) see here

thank you.

311 goddessoftheclassroom  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:44:49pm

Watch: Charles will give him his own thread, he'll post "First!" and get deleted...

312 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:44:54pm

I will observe strict decorum once Martin enters the room.

313 freedombilly  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:45:07pm

re: #311 goddessoftheclassroom

Watch: Charles will give him his own thread, he'll post "First!" and get deleted...

Bwahahaha!

314 itellu3times  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:45:36pm

re: #289 Sharmuta

What will his avatar be?

If it's a Martin guitar, he will have to deal with Charles.

315 kcladderman  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:45:48pm

re: #311 goddessoftheclassroom

Watch: Charles will give him his own thread, he'll post "First!" and get deleted...

lol

316 SurferDoc  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:45:56pm

re: #311 goddessoftheclassroom

Watch: Charles will give him his own thread, he'll post "First!" and get deleted...

*falls on floor laughing*

317 Dustyvet  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:46:02pm

re: #312 pre-Boomer Marine brat

I will observe strict decorum once Martin enters the room.

Putting banana cream pie back in the box...moving to corner and pouting...

318 Pigtown Water Dog  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:46:11pm

re: #305 JacksonTn


Game time is what? 4:30?

319 jcm  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:46:13pm

re: #312 pre-Boomer Marine brat

I will observe strict decorum once Martin enters the room.

I've never seen you wearing a kilt before... what's un...
never mind...

320 lifeofthemind  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:46:19pm

re: #306 summergurl

The riot in Ft. Lauderdale, of all places, surprised me. Not so much the LA one.

Remember the 9-11 pilots were in Boca and Delray, just up the coast, there is a big new mosque in Boca.

321 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:46:40pm

re: #317 Dustyvet

Putting banana cream pie back in the box...moving to corner and pouting...

LOL!

322 goddessoftheclassroom  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:47:03pm

Thank you, thank you very much.

323 reine.de.tout  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:47:03pm

re: #311 goddessoftheclassroom

Watch: Charles will give him his own thread, he'll post "First!" and get deleted...

LOL!
Gotta get a new cup of coffee now, the one I had is all over my keyboard.

324 debutaunt  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:47:05pm

re: #317 Dustyvet

Putting banana cream pie back in the box...moving to corner and pouting...

Stacking cream pies in other corner...

325 freedombilly  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:47:12pm

re: #311 goddessoftheclassroom

I have never seen a post get to double digit up-dings faster! Still laughing.

326 JacksonTn  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:47:20pm

re: #318 Pigtown Water Dog

Game time is what? 4:30?

Yes! Go Titans! ...I was on biz in Baltimore and flew back on plane Friday full of Ravens fans ...dangerous ...

327 MandyManners  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:47:21pm

re: #312 pre-Boomer Marine brat

I will observe strict decorum once Martin enters the room.

I promise to neither fart nor burp.

328 buzzdroid  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:47:37pm

re: #311 goddessoftheclassroom

Watch: Charles will give him his own thread, he'll post "First!" and get deleted...

LOL! now thats funny!

329 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:47:39pm

re: #319 jcm

I've never seen you wearing a kilt before... what's un...
never mind...

Pipe down.

/naw ... we probably don't want to get a pun thread going right now

330 Silvergirl  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:47:52pm

re: #48 Daisy

Anyone here ever use the "Fit for Life" diet plan?

Yes. Lots and lots of fruits and vegetables. I gave it up several years ago, and adhered to it fairly closely for about a year. I don't think I could get behind the food combining thing that strongly. Eating a sandwich isn't really accepted because of the carb-protein combo. Fruits and veggies are supposedly enemies when eaten together (timing is everything), and they're very much against dairy. I do love cheese. You can't really go out for breakfast with friends and have some pancakes and eggs or any traditional fare since you only get fruit juice or fruit before noon. They recommend not drinking water or any liquid with meals, but either way before or after, pretty much beverages on an empty stomach, as I recall. Like I said, it wasn't for me, but others feel great with it. I maintain my weight fairly easily, so health was my motivation. I may have felt more energy with Fit for Life, but it may have been my imagination. I believe in exercise for energy, more than diet. Hope this helps.

331 yma o hyd  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:47:55pm

In case you think that the IDF is winning:
'Mashaal added that "the resistance organizations are still at full power – they took a beating during the first two days, but have since taken the initiative." '

Heh.

From Mashaal: Israel must act according to UN resolution

332 Lyric  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:48:12pm

re: #322 goddessoftheclassroom

Thank you, thank you very much.

She'll be here all week folks, don't forget to tip your waitress...

333 Abu Bin Squid  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:48:16pm

Will Mr. Martin have an avatar? Maybe the Green Helmet Guy. Or Islamic Rage Boy.

334 Pigtown Water Dog  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:48:31pm

re: #326 JacksonTn


Baltimore is a scary place--fans, ditto. May the better team be victorious!

335 Dar ul Harb  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:48:33pm

Anybody know where the fruitcup refrigerator is, so we can welcome our guest properly?

336 Racer X  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:48:37pm

re: #327 MandyManners

I promise to neither fart nor burp.

I fall in love with you a little bit more every day.

337 Oh no...Sand People!  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:48:54pm

re: #311 goddessoftheclassroom

Watch: Charles will give him his own thread, he'll post "First!" and get deleted...

ROFL!

338 debutaunt  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:49:05pm

re: #333 Abu Bin Squid

Will Mr. Martin have an avatar? Maybe the Green Helmet Guy. Or Islamic Rage Boy.

I hope he posts his favorite Sinatra song!

339 JacksonTn  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:49:05pm

Come on Mr. Martin ... I feel like I am waiting on a blind date ...geez ...I have already checked my hair in the mirror three times ...

340 Dustyvet  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:49:09pm

re: #324 debutaunt

Stacking cream pies in other corner...

Youtube Video
341 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:49:14pm

re: #322 goddessoftheclassroom

*grin*
16 and still going up!
*salute*
That was classic!

342 freedombilly  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:49:27pm

re: #327 MandyManners

I promise to neither fart nor burp.

I would make the same promise myself but I don't like to write checks I can't cash.

343 albusteve  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:49:31pm

re: #331 yma o hyd

In case you think that the IDF is winning:
'Mashaal added that "the resistance organizations are still at full power – they took a beating during the first two days, but have since taken the initiative." '

Heh.

From Mashaal: Israel must act according to UN resolution

re: #331 yma o hyd

In case you think that the IDF is winning:
'Mashaal added that "the resistance organizations are still at full power – they took a beating during the first two days, but have since taken the initiative." '

Heh.

From Mashaal: Israel must act according to UN resolution

really?...turnabout is fair play I think

344 ErislDysnomia  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:49:32pm

Disproportionality, my ass.

How about emphasizing the following point?

Hamas is not only responsible for a few murders, but they are also responsible for thousands of counts of ATTEMPTED MURDER.

In our justice system, attempted murder is considered a serious crime almost as serious as murder itself and entails severe punishment.

Attempted murder encompasses the same actions and intent as an actualized murder, the difference being the actor's incompetence or unfavorable circumstances.

Therefore where is the disproportionality? If attempted murder is almost as serious a crime as completed murder, then a few hundred dead Palestinians (of which at least some are attempted murderers) vs. thousands of attempted murders of mostly innocent Israeli civilians seems quite proportional.

These Hamas missiles are not an act of vandalism because maybe Gazans object to Israeli architecture. These missiles are not acts of juvenile deliquency. It's not like French "youths" setting fire to thousands of cars -- that's malicious hooliganism. The missiles are more like those French "youths" setting fire to cars with French citizens in them, but most of those occupants being able to get out in time. I'm sure the French authorities would react quite differently to that type of "protest."

By the way, under Sharia Law what's the penalty for attempted murder, I ask?

345 MandyManners  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:50:08pm

re: #336 Racer X

I fall in love with you a little bit more every day.

*giggle*

346 goddessoftheclassroom  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:50:12pm

re: #341 pre-Boomer Marine brat

*grin*
16 and still going up!
*salute*
That was classic!

My fan club...

347 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:50:13pm

re: #327 MandyManners

I promise to neither fart nor burp.

Thank you.

348 buzzdroid  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:50:20pm

latest updates - looks like the IDF got another fascist Jew hating bastard

[Link: muqata.blogspot.com...]

10:41 PM Explosion was a direct hit on a 3-story "plastic factory" near the Nusirat refugee camp.

9:56 PM Very loud explosions heard coming from Gaza. No details yet on what was blown up.

9:26 PM Additional senior Hamas commander killed in Khan Younis.

349 Dustyvet  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:50:33pm

re: #321 pre-Boomer Marine brat

LOL!

Youtube Video
350 Lincolntf  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:50:59pm

"I did not have cinematic relations with those terrorists." ...As Mr. Martin wags his finger at LGF.

351 jaunte  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:51:03pm

re: #348 buzzdroid

That's a tall plastique factory.

352 Dar ul Harb  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:51:07pm

re: #311 goddessoftheclassroom

One of the many hazards for the unwary n00b.

LOL

353 Guanxi88  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:51:07pm

re: #344 ErislDysnomia

Disproportionality, my ass.

By the way, under Sharia Law what's the penalty for attempted murder, I ask?

"Attempted murder?" I ask you, what is that? Do they give a Nobel Prize for "attempted literature?"

-Priceless Sideshow Bob quote

354 Oh no...Sand People!  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:51:12pm

re: #344 ErislDysnomia

Disproportionality, my ass.

How about emphasizing the following point?

Hamas is not only responsible for a few murders, but they are also responsible for thousands of counts of ATTEMPTED MURDER.

Not according to Pat Buchanan...and THAT is all that matters.
//

355 [deleted]  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:51:48pm
356 summergurl  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:51:50pm

re: #320 lifeofthemind

Remember the 9-11 pilots were in Boca and Delray, just up the coast, there is a big new mosque in Boca.

hmm the longitude of both places is similar is it not?

357 Killian Bundy  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:52:04pm

Is it evil to load up Business Reply Mail envelopes with scrap paper and send them back?

/NYT wants me to subscribe

358 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:52:05pm

re: #346 goddessoftheclassroom

My fan club...

D*MN that's a lotta cats!
LOL!

359 HoosierHoops  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:52:14pm

re: #346 goddessoftheclassroom

My fan club...

LOLv That was great

360 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:52:22pm

Is there a nic?

361 JacksonTn  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:52:33pm

re: #354 Oh no...Sand People!

Not according to Pat Buchanan...and THAT is all that matters.
//

Mr. Pat BuchananIrewritehistory ...I nominate you for the new Depends spokesman ...

362 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:52:35pm

Wow. His own thread. I want my own thread. It will be on the two things I know really, really well: Little boys and chocolate chip cookies.

Dear Santa,

For Christmas I want...

363 summergurl  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:52:40pm

re: #327 MandyManners

I promise to neither fart nor burp.


I fixed my hair and put on perfume.

364 Miss Trixie  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:52:48pm

re: #311 goddessoftheclassroom

Watch: Charles will give him his own thread, he'll post "First!" and get deleted...

There goes the rest of my Fresca ...

*mops up monitor*

365 Guanxi88  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:53:07pm

re: #364 Miss Trixie

There goes the rest of my Fresca ...

*mops up monitor*

Are you any kin to Judge Smails?

366 Racer X  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:53:10pm

re: #344 ErislDysnomia

By the way, under Sharia Law what's the penalty for attempted murder, I ask?

Depends on which kind.

Attempted murder (Jew).
Attempted murder (non-Jew).

Big difference.

367 Tarkus289  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:53:10pm

re: #364 Miss Trixie

Do they still make Fresca?

368 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:53:12pm

re: #311 goddessoftheclassroom

HYSTERICAL!

369 freedombilly  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:53:19pm

re: #311 goddessoftheclassroom

8 minutes to get to number 3 on the Top 10. Bravo.

370 Lynn B.  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:53:27pm

re: #357 Killian Bundy

Is it evil to load up Business Reply Mail envelopes with scrap paper and send them back?

/NYT wants me to subscribe

I used to do it all the time with solicitations from the ACLU.

371 JacksonTn  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:53:48pm

re: #357 Killian Bundy

Is it evil to load up Business Reply Mail envelopes with scrap paper and send them back?

/NYT wants me to subscribe

Well ...I know someone (blush) who did it to Obama campaign contribution solicitations ...

372 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:53:48pm

re: #363 summergurl

Don't take your love to town!

373 gregg  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:53:55pm

I apologize if this has already been posted, but this will help you identify an Israeli soldier from a Palestinian soldier:

Image: 090106-soldier-palestine.jpg

374 summergurl  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:54:00pm

re: #335 Dar ul Harb

Anybody know where the fruitcup refrigerator is, so we can welcome our guest properly?

I'm not sharing my Snuggie with him, even if he is company

375 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:54:09pm

re: #349 Dustyvet

LOL!
Classic!

376 jaunte  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:54:14pm

re: #357 Killian Bundy

Send them this:
Image: Pinch1.jpg

377 Racer X  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:54:19pm

re: #346 goddessoftheclassroom

My fan club...

Mickey poking his head up in the corner was a bit creepy.

378 Lincolntf  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:54:23pm

re: #357 Killian Bundy

I don't know about that, but I was hoping to put one dollar (US) in my PayPal account and then send the DNC a million individual one dollar (Zimb.) donations so that they had to process them all.

379 goddessoftheclassroom  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:55:11pm

re: #377 Racer X

Mickey poking his head up in the corner was a bit creepy.

I didn't even notice that! LOL!

380 SurferDoc  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:55:16pm

BBIAW. If y'all eat the poor man, don't go selling his clothes afterward. That's tacky.

381 Racer X  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:55:18pm

re: #367 Tarkus289

Do they still make Fresca?

Yes. Peach flavored Fresca is quite tasty!

382 Bobblehead  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:55:45pm

This photo of rioting" yoots" in London really pisses me off.

383 MandyManners  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:56:07pm

re: #380 SurferDoc

BBIAW. If y'all eat the poor man, don't go selling his clothes afterward. That's tacky.

Just his buttocks.

384 jaunte  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:56:15pm

re: #380 SurferDoc

Mom always said the jacket has all the vitamins.

385 Bobblehead  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:56:32pm

re: #381 Racer X

Yes. Peach flavored Fresca is quite tasty!

Where did you find peach flavored Fresca?

386 Dustyvet  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:56:43pm

re: #377 Racer X

Mickey poking his head up in the corner was a bit creepy.

Youtube Video
387 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:56:48pm

re: #383 MandyManners

The eyes? What to do with the eyes?

388 yma o hyd  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:56:58pm

re: #355 ploome hineni

how/why did you develop an interest in this Israeli situation?
just curious

I've had an 'interst' in Israel ever since I read 'Oh Jerusalem' by Collins/Lapierre many many years ago.

At the time of the Lebanon war in 2006, I was only able to read LGF, never caught an open door.
This is not a sudden interest of mine ...

389 Smilla  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:57:02pm

re: #382 Bobblehead

This photo of rioting" yoots yoofs" in London really pisses me off.

/Leave the horses alone!

390 Racer X  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:57:36pm

re: #385 Bobblehead

Where did you find peach flavored Fresca?

It's in the markets here in SoCal.

391 JacksonTn  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:57:44pm

re: #387 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

The eyes? What to do with the eyes?

Why did you say that! ...it reminds me of the link yesterday of the insane guy in jail who ate his eyeball ...brain bleach!

392 yma o hyd  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:57:45pm

re: #357 Killian Bundy

Is it evil to load up Business Reply Mail envelopes with scrap paper and send them back?

/NYT wants me to subscribe

Not at all!

393 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:58:31pm

Hey gang, re Martin, has anyone looked at the tail ends of the prior threads -- those directly connected with the video?

Whatcha wanna bet he's thrown something in waaay back there, where he's safer than here?

394 rawmuse  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:58:39pm

OK Lizards, it has been real, but I am off on vacation, and I am NOT taking my laptop. I am starting a news fast. See you all in a couple weeks.

395 Oh no...Sand People!  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:58:52pm

re: #381 Racer X

Yes. Peach flavored Fresca is quite tasty!

Peach flavored! I dig Fresca...never had peach.

396 Charles Johnson  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:59:05pm

Martin just emailed and said he would respond tomorrow... he's apparently in Gaza or Israel now, so that means this evening sometime.

397 Lincolntf  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:59:07pm

re: #394 rawmuse

Enjoy.

398 freedombilly  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:59:23pm

re: #394 rawmuse

Have fun rawmuse! Enjoy the iPod.

399 MandyManners  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:59:30pm

re: #387 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

The eyes? What to do with the eyes?

Keep 'em away from that convict.

400 Guanxi88  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:59:34pm

re: #391 JacksonTn

Why did you say that! ...it reminds me of the link yesterday of the insane guy in jail who ate his eyeball ...brain bleach!

Fool! He could have sold them to the Israelis, who have to steal them from Arab kids: [Link: www.memri.org...]

401 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:59:37pm

re: #396 Charles

Thanks for the update!

402 JacksonTn  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:59:38pm

re: #394 rawmuse

OK Lizards, it has been real, but I am off on vacation, and I am NOT taking my laptop. I am starting a news fast. See you all in a couple weeks.

Hey where you goin? I want to go ...well, only if its a warm place ...oh, yeah and no rain ...

403 Pullus Iulius  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:59:40pm

So - Paul Martin, Judge Crater and the 13th imam walk into a bar...

404 goddessoftheclassroom  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:59:42pm

re: #396 Charles

Martin just emailed and said he would respond tomorrow... he's apparently in Gaza or Israel now, so that means this evening sometime.

Well, heck.

405 albusteve  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 12:59:57pm

re: #389 Smilla

/Leave the horses alone!

the French are off their rockers allowing this to happen time and again

406 JacksonTn  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 1:00:05pm

re: #396 Charles

Martin just emailed and said he would respond tomorrow... he's apparently in Gaza or Israel now, so that means this evening sometime.

Are you sure he is not meeting with CNN Legal Department? ..just sayin ...

407 freedombilly  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 1:00:07pm

re: #404 goddessoftheclassroom

I am bummed out. More jokes please.

408 Oh no...Sand People!  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 1:00:13pm

re: #396 Charles

Martin just emailed and said he would respond tomorrow... he's apparently in Gaza or Israel now, so that means this evening sometime.

Busy firing rockets...
/

409 MandyManners  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 1:00:15pm

re: #396 Charles

Martin just emailed and said he would respond tomorrow... he's apparently in Gaza or Israel now, so that means this evening sometime.

He's gonna' need his rest.

410 jcm  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 1:00:25pm

re: #396 Charles

Martin just emailed and said he would respond tomorrow... he's apparently in Gaza or Israel now, so that means this evening sometime.

AWWW, puts away slings and arrows...
/

411 Bobblehead  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 1:00:31pm

re: #394 rawmuse

OK Lizards, it has been real, but I am off on vacation, and I am NOT taking my laptop. I am starting a news fast. See you all in a couple weeks.

Have fun. Will you be back in time for the coronation?

412 Griffon  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 1:00:32pm

re: #396 Charles

Martin just emailed and said he would respond tomorrow... he's apparently in Gaza or Israel now, so that means this evening sometime.

Procrastinator!

413 Occasional Reader  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 1:00:33pm

Yet another delicately-worded reference in a wire service story about thuggery from genocide supporters!

Gaza anger boils over at London demo

They're just angry, you see. The poor dears. Damn those Jews for making these cherubs angry!

And on this subject, Mark Steyn's latest... he hits it out of the park:

Mark Steyn: The 'oldest hatred' lives, from Gaza to Florida

Pull quote:

Only Israel attracts an intellectually respectable movement querying its very existence. For the purposes of comparison, let's take a state that came into existence at the exact same time as the Zionist Entity, and involved far bloodier population displacements. I happen to think the creation of Pakistan was the greatest failure of post-war British imperial policy. But the fact is that Pakistan exists, and if I were to launch a movement of anti-Pakism it would get pretty short shrift.

But, even allowing for that, what has a [Jewish] schoolgirl in Villiers-le-Bel [who was attacked by Muslim thugs] to do with Israeli government policy?

414 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 1:00:42pm

re: #404 goddessoftheclassroom

Well, heck.

*gasp*
would you PLEASE watch your MOUTH?!

415 MJ  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 1:00:56pm

U.S. Rejected Aid for Israeli Raid on Iranian Nuclear Site



By DAVID E. SANGER
Published: January 10, 2009
WASHINGTON — President Bush deflected a secret request by Israel last year for specialized bunker-busting bombs it wanted for an attack on Iran’s main nuclear complex and told the Israelis that he had authorized new covert action intended to sabotage Iran’s suspected effort to develop nuclear weapons, according to senior American and foreign officials.

[Link: www.nytimes.com...]

George W. Bush. The President who allowed Iran to get the bomb.

416 summergurl  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 1:01:01pm

re: #409 MandyManners

He's gonna' need his rest.


And his Wheaties

417 Dar ul Harb  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 1:01:04pm

Yet another question for Mr. Godot Martin if he arrives...

Does your company perform any editorial review of the stories your sources provide, or are they just edited together and offered to clients like CNN and U.K. Channel 4 News without any corroboration or editorial verification?

And a followup, what sorts of editorial quality control measures do you have in place, if any?

418 Smilla  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 1:01:05pm

re: #405 albusteve

Deport them all to Gaza! Annie Lennox included!

419 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 1:01:09pm

re: #407 freedombilly

I am bummed out. More jokes please.

Howabout a cartoon. We were speaking of Sinatra earlier...

420 stevieray  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 1:01:16pm

Explosion in Gaza... just heard it on the live Gaza Cam...

421 jcm  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 1:01:21pm

Maybe Martin can discuss this...

Hamas Rockets During Cease-Fire and From Schoolyard 8 Jan. 09

Liveleak Video
422 [deleted]  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 1:01:39pm
423 rawmuse  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 1:01:44pm

re: #402 JacksonTn

Yes, warm, equatorial. 81 F there right now.

424 buzzdroid  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 1:01:47pm

re: #344 ErislDysnomia

By the way, under Sharia Law what's the penalty for attempted murder, I ask?

re: #382 Bobblehead

This photo of rioting" yoots" in London really pisses me off.

why are they using horses for chrissakes! send in the watercannon!

/god - the london police really are a bunch of wimps...

425 Charles Johnson  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 1:01:51pm

This is from Martin's email, I assume he wanted it to be passed on to our commenters since it addresses y'all:

I hope you will sinmply close off this blog converation ocne you see the facts. Also please avoid allowing your bloggers to be hurtful to a person whose brother died - unless you really think he faked that ! The hospital has confirmed that the boy died and his name - see CNN report. Or did they make that up too?

426 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 1:01:58pm

re: #410 jcm

AWWW, puts away slings and arrows...
/

/takes off the kilt, but does NOT sheath the claymore ... jic of smart-assed remarks

427 Spiritualized  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 1:01:59pm

re: #389 Smilla

/Leave the horses alone!

Come on now, re: #405 albusteve

the French are off their rockers allowing this to happen time and again

That's London, EXACTLY the same people rioting mind, though you wouldn't know it from the news stories.

428 Occasional Reader  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 1:02:00pm

re: #389 Smilla

/Leave the horses alone!

Better still, give the mounted riot police free rein (pun intended) to crack some heads against these latter-day Brown Shirt scum.

429 Bobblehead  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 1:02:00pm

re: #405 albusteve

the French are off their rockers allowing this to happen time and again

Those are "English" yoots.

430 JacksonTn  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 1:02:10pm

Crap ...Mr. Martin ...stood up again ...high school all over again ...curse you ...oh, well, I still have football ...Go Titans!

431 Rancher  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 1:02:21pm

Folderol and lollygagging. I don't think Bill O'Reilly would aprove.

432 Racer X  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 1:02:25pm

re: #395 Oh no...Sand People!

Peach flavored! I dig Fresca...never had peach.

Ooh, Black Cherry too!

433 Lincolntf  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 1:02:40pm

re: #396 Charles

One would think that in the time he's used to correspond with you, he could have posted a succinct telling of his version of events. Especially if he was certain of his facts.
Methinks there will be a lot of parsing and nitpicking when he does break his silence.

434 Ayatollah Ghilmeini  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 1:02:48pm

re: #195 Killgore Trout

"completely useless"

Now here one has to disagree.

At the very least Hamas has been dealt a severe blow and Israel's southern cities will have quiet for a while, perhaps for a very long time if Hamas is disbanded or destroyed. Palestinians will also be spared of further war if Hamas is gone.

Here again we have Leftist substituting his judgment over reality, getting it all wrong.

435 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 1:02:49pm

re: #394 rawmuse

OK Lizards, it has been real, but I am off on vacation, and I am NOT taking my laptop. I am starting a news fast. See you all in a couple weeks.

Rawmuse ... have a VERY restful vacation!

436 Dar ul Harb  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 1:02:49pm

re: #396 Charles

Martin just emailed and said he would respond tomorrow... he's apparently in Gaza or Israel now, so that means this evening sometime.

Well then, why don't you just set up a PJTV webcam interview with him, using questions provided by the lizards?

437 JacksonTn  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 1:02:52pm

re: #423 rawmuse

Yes, warm, equatorial. 81 F there right now.

Well, have a great time ...and send us a postcard ...

438 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 1:03:11pm

re: #431 Rancher

Folderol and lollygagging. I don't think Bill O'Reilly would aprove.

Don't get persnickety!

439 lifeofthemind  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 1:03:38pm

re: #340 Dustyvet

[Video]

From imdb

The pies used during the pie throwing scene were real, containing fruit, custard, whipped cream and other ingredients. Following this scene the crew devoured more than 300 leftover pies.

440 albusteve  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 1:03:43pm

re: #421 jcm

Maybe Martin can discuss this...

Hamas Rockets During Cease-Fire and From Schoolyard 8 Jan. 09

[Video]

dont be silly...that tape is obviously phoney

441 MandyManners  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 1:03:55pm

re: #425 Charles

ocne

*snicker*

442 Oh no...Sand People!  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 1:04:00pm

re: #425 Charles

This is from Martin's email, I assume he wanted it to be passed on to our commenters since it addresses y'all:

I hope you will sinmply close off this blog converation ocne you see the facts. Also please avoid allowing your bloggers to be hurtful to a person whose brother died - unless you really think he faked that ! The hospital has confirmed that the boy died and his name - see CNN report. Or did they make that up too?

Hence the whole point of these threads. We don't trust the 'facts' that we are seeing.

443 jaunte  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 1:04:04pm

re: #425 Charles

"I hope you will sinmply close off this blog converation ocne you see the facts."

This sounds familiar from other controversial topics. "Stop talking about this!"

444 Smilla  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 1:04:24pm

re: #425 Charles

So he's a journalist who misses his own deadline!

445 albusteve  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 1:04:32pm

re: #429 Bobblehead

Those are "English" yoots.

they all look alike to me...

446 Dustyvet  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 1:04:34pm

re: #392 yma o hyd

Not at all!

I just did that this morning with the Chicago Tribune...

447 [deleted]  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 1:04:40pm
448 buzzdroid  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 1:04:46pm

re: #425 Charles

This is from Martin's email, I assume he wanted it to be passed on to our commenters since it addresses y'all:

but the central premise of the "fakery" accusation is that it is very likely that they are "operating" on a dead body. the kid is ALREADY dead...

but the video was staged.

so therefore - they are using dead children for political propaganda.


(correct me if i'm wrong?)

449 MandyManners  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 1:04:46pm

re: #425 Charles

Are we supposed to give a lie a pass because a human died?

450 Racer X  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 1:04:51pm

re: #415 MJ

U.S. Rejected Aid for Israeli Raid on Iranian Nuclear Site


By DAVID E. SANGER
Published: January 10, 2009
WASHINGTON — President Bush deflected a secret request by Israel last year for specialized bunker-busting bombs it wanted for an attack on Iran’s main nuclear complex and told the Israelis that he had authorized new covert action intended to sabotage Iran’s suspected effort to develop nuclear weapons, according to senior American and foreign officials.

[Link: www.nytimes.com...]

George W. Bush. The President who allowed Iran to get the bomb.


Maybe not.

451 freedombilly  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 1:05:01pm

re: #419 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Howabout a cartoon. We were speaking of Sinatra earlier...

Thanks. That's doing the trick. I could just listen to the soundtrack. Great music.

452 Oh no...Sand People!  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 1:05:05pm

re: #432 Racer X

Ooh, Black Cherry too!

Whoa!? Where have I been..oh yeah...the Philippines...

Who knows. I might be able to find it here. I'll have to look. Thanks for the information.

453 Smilla  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 1:05:12pm

re: #439 lifeofthemind

From imdb

The pies used during the pie throwing scene were real, containing fruit, custard, whipped cream and other ingredients. Following this scene the crew devoured more than 300 leftover pies.

Yummy - but the big cake looked like it was made of sand inside.

454 Killian Bundy  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 1:05:13pm

CBS is interviewing PacMan Jones and his lawyer (Dallas released him).

/dude can barely speak English

455 So?  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 1:05:28pm

re: #330 Silvergirl

Try The Sedona Method instead and eat what you want.

[Link: www.sedona.com...]

456 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 1:05:28pm

re: #425 Charles

Thank you for that, Mr. Martin.
Now we know where you stand.

457 Lincolntf  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 1:05:35pm

re: #425 Charles

Mr. Martin, I have no doubt that children (and perhaps this particular child) have died in the current operation. Perhaps you should speak to your Hamas homies who revel in using children as bait and as sandbags before you get all huffy with us.

458 freedombilly  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 1:05:47pm

re: #454 Killian Bundy

CBS is interviewing PacMan Jones and his lawyer (Dallas released him).

/dude can barely speak English

That was English?!? I turned on my tv's subtitles.

459 yma o hyd  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 1:05:57pm

re: #396 Charles

Martin just emailed and said he would respond tomorrow... he's apparently in Gaza or Israel now, so that means this evening sometime.

Right.
That means I'll ahve to get up really really early tomorrow morning, like 6am GMT ...

On the other hand - Madame Dog is just getting up from her favourite place, so I won't miss Mr Martin right now ...

460 Ayatollah Ghilmeini  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 1:06:03pm

Has anyone mentioned the possibility the boy died and they used a stand in for the CPR?

Its like half a lie!

461 albusteve  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 1:06:05pm

re: #441 MandyManners

ocne

*snicker*

good grief...this guy does not know whats in store for him...

462 goddessoftheclassroom  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 1:06:15pm

re: #425 Charles

This is from Martin's email, I assume he wanted it to be passed on to our commenters since it addresses y'all:

I will accept that the child died, and I am sorry for the pain his family has suffered. However, i do not believe that the report is real, and that to use the body of a dead child is beneath contempt.

463 debutaunt  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 1:06:22pm

re: #425 Charles

This is from Martin's email, I assume he wanted it to be passed on to our commenters since it addresses y'all:

Jeez - he might try the PIMF feature.

464 Spiny Norman  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 1:06:33pm

re: #425 Charles

This is from Martin's email, I assume he wanted it to be passed on to our commenters since it addresses y'all:

I hope you will sinmply close off this blog converation ocne you see the facts. Also please avoid allowing your bloggers to be hurtful to a person whose brother died - unless you really think he faked that ! The hospital has confirmed that the boy died and his name - see CNN report. Or did they make that up too?

This guy's a journalist?

Is he not a native English speaker, perhaps?

465 freedombilly  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 1:06:56pm

re: #463 debutaunt

Jeez - he might try the PIMF feature.

Somebody point this man to the LGF dictionary!

466 Guanxi88  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 1:07:00pm

re: #425 Charles

This is from Martin's email, I assume he wanted it to be passed on to our commenters since it addresses y'all:

Oh, well, if the hospital confirmed it, and since the reliability of the staff and physicians there is above reproach, I suppose we should just do as he asks, huh?

467 Dar ul Harb  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 1:07:02pm

re: #433 Lincolntf

One would think that in the time he's used to correspond with you, he could have posted a succinct telling of his version of events. Especially if he was certain of his facts.

Gotta talk to CNN's lawyers first, I guess.

468 JacksonTn  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 1:07:07pm

Mr. Martin ...you better come back ...or are you a yellow-bellied sapsucker? ...we are on a need-to-know basis here ...

469 albusteve  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 1:07:30pm

re: #454 Killian Bundy

CBS is interviewing PacMan Jones and his lawyer (Dallas released him).

/dude can barely speak English

or understand it...

470 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 1:07:39pm

re: #443 jaunte

Well, personally, ... I got over ocne in my early 20's. I doubt it's coming back at my age.

471 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 1:07:45pm

re: #454 Killian Bundy

Are you shocked? I'm not. Can't believe my Cowboys hired that thug. I mean, damn! You know a bunch of those men are thugs, but, shit...that guy is a THUG!

472 buzzdroid  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 1:07:46pm

re: #462 goddessoftheclassroom

I will accept that the child died, and I am sorry for the pain his family has suffered. However, i do not believe that the report is real, and that to use the body of a dead child is beneath contempt.

the Islamocrazies have previous form when it comes to parading the dead bodies of children for their own ends.

see "Qanagate"

[Link: eureferendum.blogspot.com...]


this isnt a new tactic - far from it. its been well established and is core to Islamist propaganda.

473 Promethea  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 1:07:52pm

re: #137 buzzdroid

friend of mine pointed out recently that the Klingons in Star Trek are based on Islam.

Gene Rondenberry sure had a thing going with his predictions - although its happened somewhat sooner than he predicted.

Yup - the Klingons. thats Islam.

It's interesting how the Klingons were portrayed in later Star Trek movies and TV incarnations. On one hand, we learned to appreciate their cultural differences, which I found interesting. On the other hand, we were supposed to "stop judging" them since we now "understood" them. We couldn't just kill them anymore, which we could when they were the "evil empire."

Let's hope any future Klingons get royally bashed, since they are barbarians (AKA Hamas and Al Qaeda types) who need a good ass kicking so they'll behave.

474 Sunlight  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 1:07:59pm

re: #348 buzzdroid

The IDF youtube channel videos with the secondary explosions are the best thing Israel has ever done for hasbara. Everything else about Israel ultimately sells itself. But exposing the lying liars of the press is the best thing ever.

475 jaunte  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 1:08:17pm

Using your dead brother as a propaganda opportunity means that you intend people to talk about it. Trying to shut down conversation if the reaction is not the one you intend just means your propaganda went off the rails.

476 Oh no...Sand People!  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 1:08:17pm

re: #460 Ayatollah Ghilmeini

Has anyone mentioned the possibility the boy died and they used a stand in for the CPR?

Its like half a lie!

The news will start using 'This is a dramatization' in captions. Then stand by those stories.

477 Guanxi88  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 1:08:23pm

re: #444 Smilla

So he's a journalist who misses his own deadline!

Well, when the news happens because you wrote it, there really aren't any deadlines.

478 MJ  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 1:08:27pm

I hope you will sinmply close off this blog converation ocne you see the facts. Also please avoid allowing your bloggers to be hurtful to a person whose brother died - unless you really think he faked that ! The hospital has confirmed that the boy died and his name - see CNN report. Or did they make that up too?

Thank-you for your advice to stifle free speech. No doubt you've learned about that from your friends at Hamas.

As for the boy dying, most of us accept the fact that he is indeed dead. However, how he died is one of the issue under controversy. That many of us suspect Hamas might have killed him is not an unreasonable assumption considering their history. Even if they did not directly kill the boy, they are still responsible since Hamas uses civilians as human shields.
Too bad folks like you and the BBC don't see any moral problems with that. However, that is a war crime even if you and your friends believe there are no war crimes when when trying to kill Israelis.

479 Racer X  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 1:08:39pm

re: #425 Charles

I hope you will sinmply close off this blog converation ocne you see the facts. Also please avoid allowing your bloggers to be hurtful to a person whose brother died - unless you really think he faked that ! The hospital has confirmed that the boy died and his name - see CNN report. Or did they make that up too?

It is quite possible that the boy died; that is truly an atrocity. But Hamas is entirely to blame. However, for this group to use this sad incident as propaganda to intensify hostilities world-wide against all Jews is despicable!

480 jcm  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 1:08:41pm

re: #425 Charles

This is from Martin's email, I assume he wanted it to be passed on to our commenters since it addresses y'all:

I hope you will sinmply close off this blog converation ocne you see the facts. Also please avoid allowing your bloggers to be hurtful to a person whose brother died - unless you really think he faked that ! The hospital has confirmed that the boy died and his name - see CNN report. Or did they make that up too?

Mohammed Al-dura ring a bell Mr. Martin?

481 Sharmuta  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 1:08:42pm

re: #425 Charles

Pretty ballsy for a newbie to dictate terms.

482 Occasional Reader  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 1:08:50pm

re: #466 Guanxi88

Oh, well, if the hospital confirmed it, and since the reliability of the staff and physicians there is above reproach, I suppose we should just do as he asks, huh?

Sure, a Hamas-controlled hospital wouldn't lie or anything, would they?

483 Occasional Reader  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 1:09:11pm

re: #475 jaunte

Using your dead brother as a propaganda opportunity means that you intend people to talk about it. Trying to shut down conversation if the reaction is not the one you intend just means your propaganda went off the rails.

BINGO!

484 [deleted]  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 1:09:16pm
485 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 1:09:22pm

re: #449 MandyManners

Are we supposed to give a lie a pass because a human died?

"died" ... at this point, that's just a theory

486 Lynn B.  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 1:09:27pm

re: #425 Charles

This is from Martin's email, I assume he wanted it to be passed on to our commenters since it addresses y'all:


I hope you will sinmply close off this blog converation ocne you see the facts. Also please avoid allowing your bloggers to be hurtful to a person whose brother died - unless you really think he faked that ! The hospital has confirmed that the boy died and his name - see CNN report. Or did they make that up too?

This is not a good attitude to be coming in here with.

/with which to be coming in here

487 Spiny Norman  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 1:09:32pm

re: #454 Killian Bundy

CBS is interviewing PacMan Jones and his lawyer (Dallas released him).

/dude can barely speak English

Then again, he wasn't paid based on his speaking ability. The old cliché about the "dumb jock" has a kernel of truth to it. Adam "Pacman" Jones is just one of the dumb ones.

488 Noam Sayin'  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 1:09:32pm

re: #311 goddessoftheclassroom

Watch: Charles will give him his own thread, he'll post "First!" and get deleted...

Just got in, skimming the thread, and picked up just enough of the Martin story for that post.

Nice one. Excellent timing, goddess.

489 HoosierHoops  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 1:09:35pm

re: #425 Charles

This is from Martin's email, I assume he wanted it to be passed on to our commenters since it addresses y'all:

You know what is hurtful Pal? Your boys won't stop launching rockets..They could end this shit.. It is on the pali's hands this blood resides. Just Fucking stop it and the pain stops you dumbasses. Don't put this on nobody but yourselves..at this very moment they are firing off a rocket...and you wonder why the world is lukewarm to you..one word for you..
reform

490 Guanxi88  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 1:09:51pm

re: #482 Occasional Reader

Sure, a Hamas-controlled hospital wouldn't lie or anything, would they?

Why would they lie about something like that?

491 [deleted]  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 1:09:52pm
492 goddessoftheclassroom  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 1:10:15pm

re: #488 Noam Sayin'

Just got in, skimming the thread, and picked up just enough of the Martin story for that post.

Nice one. Excellent timing, goddess.

Thank you so much!

493 Dustyvet  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 1:10:17pm

re: #482 Occasional Reader

Sure, a Hamas-controlled hospital wouldn't lie or anything, would they?

You should see how pissy they get, when you forget your insurance card.

494 Smilla  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 1:10:47pm

re: #477 Guanxi88

Well, when the news happens because you wrote it, there really aren't any deadlines.

He just sounds scared to me.

495 buzzdroid  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 1:11:02pm

re: #474 Sunlight

The IDF youtube channel videos with the secondary explosions are the best thing Israel has ever done for hasbara. Everything else about Israel ultimately sells itself. But exposing the lying liars of the press is the best thing ever.

very smart move it was too. Israel sure has been fighting one hell of a professional media war this time round.

496 Dar ul Harb  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 1:11:13pm

re: #464 Spiny Norman

This guy's a journalist?

Is he not a native English speaker, perhaps?

Now, cut him a break. He's all choked up over his friend's brother's death, and very much aware of how likely it is that his friends in Hamas will perform amateur surgery on him or his sources if he says the wrong thing.

497 Occasional Reader  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 1:11:25pm

re: #493 Dustyvet

You should see how pissy they get, when you forget your insurance card.

"We KEEL you!"

498 MandyManners  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 1:11:25pm

re: #475 jaunte

Using your dead brother as a propaganda opportunity means that you intend people to talk about it. Trying to shut down conversation if the reaction is not the one you intend just means your propaganda went off the rails.

One billion up-dings!

499 albusteve  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 1:11:39pm

re: #475 jaunte

Using your dead brother as a propaganda opportunity means that you intend people to talk about it. Trying to shut down conversation if the reaction is not the one you intend just means your propaganda went off the rails.

I bet he has an emergency in the morning...but will get back with us to get us straightened out...the old fade

500 [deleted]  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 1:11:41pm
501 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 1:11:50pm

re: #475 jaunte

Using your dead brother as a propaganda opportunity means that you intend people to talk about it. Trying to shut down conversation if the reaction is not the one you intend just means your propaganda went off the rails.

Precisely!

502 Sharmuta  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 1:11:57pm

re: #486 Lynn B.

This is not a good attitude to be coming in here with.

/with which to be coming in here

Yeah- arrogant is not the best approach to take.

503 goddessoftheclassroom  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 1:11:58pm

re: #494 Smilla

He just sounds scared to me.

Funny enough, my boys and I have been to our local hospital for ER visits and other procedures so much in the past 13 years that they just ask me if my info has changed.

504 Guanxi88  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 1:12:23pm

re: #494 Smilla

He just sounds scared to me.

I don't see that he's got anything to be scared of. It's not like we're trying to draw counterbattery fire down on his family or anything. A few hard questions, some snarkiness.. so he gets slapped around a little, so what?

505 Occasional Reader  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 1:12:58pm

re: #498 MandyManners

One billion up-dings!

Geez, you sound like Congress... a billion updings here, another billion there, and pretty soon, you're taking real Karma.

506 Griffon  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 1:12:58pm

re: #425 Charles

This is from Martin's email, I assume he wanted it to be passed on to our commenters since it addresses y'all:

Hmmm. Mr. Martin needs a spell checker.

507 summergurl  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 1:13:03pm

re: #471 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Are you shocked? I'm not. Can't believe my Cowboys hired that thug. I mean, damn! You know a bunch of those men are thugs, but, shit...that guy is a THUG!

Does anyone have a link to that CBS interview?

508 Killgore Trout  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 1:13:23pm

re: #425 Charles

I hope you will sinmply close off this blog converation ocne you see the facts.

I assume that means he'll release the unedited tapes. Good news.

509 Ayatollah Ghilmeini  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 1:13:47pm

One final note and off to see the wrestler.

About the Ynet report if the destruction of whole battalions of Hamasniks. There are almost 500 men to a battalion.

Now they probably are not all dead, I expect most have fled and many more are injured than dead but Hamas must either find a way to seriously inflict some damage on the IDF or they are done soon.

In war, after a certain amount of damage, units lose cohesion and become demoralized or unable to fight. With Hamas' strength rapidly degrading and Israel's slight losses, another week of this and there will be no one left to fight.

510 [deleted]  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 1:13:50pm
511 Smilla  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 1:14:20pm

re: #504 Guanxi88

He should be used to a bit of rough and tumble.

512 jaunte  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 1:14:24pm

re: #508 Killgore Trout

Excellent!

513 Guanxi88  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 1:14:38pm

re: #510 ploome hineni

maybe he is being haunted by CRACKS OF DOUBT

I thought we agreed that there was to be no mooning if and when he showed up?

514 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 1:14:44pm

re: #507 summergurl

You really don't want to see it.

515 Dustyvet  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 1:14:46pm

re: #510 ploome hineni

maybe he is being haunted by CRACKS OF DOUBT

Or the web of CNN's deceit

516 Promethea  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 1:14:48pm

re: #176 Racer X

I'm just wondering - with all the Iranian and Saudi money flowing in, how come Gaza is NOT a beautiful Mediterranean resort city?

I mean with all that money and all those people looking for work, they couldn't build a couple of resorts? They had to grab most of the money for Hamas leadership to hide away, the rest going for explosives?

This is the amazing part. Imagine perfect beaches that go on and on. Gaza could have been/could be one of the most successful resort places on earth. It's close to Europe, and one could easily plan a terrific vacation with a few days spent visiting special sites (religious and archaeological) in Israel and then a few days spent lounging around on the beach in Gaza.

517 Guanxi88  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 1:15:11pm

re: #511 Smilla

He should be used to a bit of rough and tumble.

Do you know something about his personal life, or do you mean he has chosen to live in a bad neighborhood?

518 jwb7605  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 1:15:11pm

I'm actually glad this "discussion" isn't going to happen until Tomorrow.
It gives me time to collect myself and prepare for the "interview".

Anybody on this forum that doesn't think the comments will be cherry-picked and used by (especially) CNN is dumber than the proverbial bag of dirt. A 'delay' would seem to be quite useful if (by accident) some professional journalists are being set up to monitor the process.

I submit that we use the time wisely.

519 [deleted]  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 1:15:13pm
520 Bobblehead  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 1:15:16pm

re: #489 HoosierHoops

You know what is hurtful Pal? Your boys won't stop launching rockets..They could end this shit.. It is on the pali's hands this blood resides. Just Fucking stop it and the pain stops you dumbasses. Don't put this on nobody but yourselves..at this very moment they are firing off a rocket...and you wonder why the world is lukewarm to you..one word for you..
reform

Bravo!

521 yma o hyd  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 1:15:26pm

re: #425 Charles

This is from Martin's email, I assume he wanted it to be passed on to our commenters since it addresses y'all:

Blimey!

So we're to shut up once he's spoken?
Out of piety for the grieving bother?

Where is the grief for the fallen Israeli soldiers? They would still be alive, as would this child, if Hamas had stopped firing missiles into Israel.
But Hamas' guilt is non-exsistnet for the apologetes like Mr martin.

As for shutting us up - yeah, right! Proper Libtard elitist thinking, that! The 'expert' speaks and the masses drink i in and shut up.

Gah!

522 goddessoftheclassroom  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 1:15:27pm

re: #516 Promethea

This is the amazing part. Imagine perfect beaches that go on and on. Gaza could have been/could be one of the most successful resort places on earth. It's close to Europe, and one could easily plan a terrific vacation with a few days spent visiting special sites (religious and archaeological) in Israel and then a few days spent lounging around on the beach in Gaza.

It's not too late. The potential for prosperity is there.

523 Bob Dillon  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 1:15:30pm

re: #394 rawmuse

OK Lizards, it has been real, but I am off on vacation, and I am NOT taking my laptop. I am starting a news fast. See you all in a couple weeks.

Check your email please.

524 albusteve  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 1:15:38pm

re: #510 ploome hineni

maybe he is being haunted by CRACKS OF DOUBT

he knows he is easily outmatched by at least a dozen posters here...I'll bet he is very worried

525 JacksonTn  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 1:15:40pm

Seriously ...how much time would it have taken him to post a few comments and answer a few question about defending his video and really his reputation ...I bet he had a few "advisors" whispering in his ear ...

526 MandyManners  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 1:15:53pm

re: #506 Griffon

Hmmm. Mr. Martin needs a spell checker.

And a pacifier.

527 buzzdroid  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 1:16:16pm

re: #509 Ayatollah Ghilmeini

One final note and off to see the wrestler.

About the Ynet report if the destruction of whole battalions of Hamasniks. There are almost 500 men to a battalion.

Now they probably are not all dead, I expect most have fled and many more are injured than dead but Hamas must either find a way to seriously inflict some damage on the IDF or they are done soon.

In war, after a certain amount of damage, units lose cohesion and become demoralized or unable to fight. With Hamas' strength rapidly degrading and Israel's slight losses, another week of this and there will be no one left to fight.


and theres more here

[Link: www.haaretz.com...]

"A senior Israeli military commander involved in Operation Cast Lead said on Saturday that Hamas militants are suffering from exhaustion and are deserting battle.

The commander told reporters that Amir Mansi, the commander of Hamas's rocket-launching program in the Gaza City area who was killed by the IDF on Saturday, fired mortars himself after junior Hamas operatives refused to go outside, fearing an Israeli strike. "


/no wonder there were riots in London. the Islamocrazies KNOW that Hamas is being crushed...

528 Smilla  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 1:16:18pm

re: #517 Guanxi88

Let's ask him!

529 Dustyvet  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 1:16:21pm

re: #519 ploome hineni

damn

/gimme my panties

We can't, we aint got your knickers in a bunch yet...:)

530 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 1:16:23pm

re: #519 ploome hineni

damn

/gimme my panties

Oh. These are yours?

531 MandyManners  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 1:16:32pm

re: #510 ploome hineni

maybe he is being haunted by CRACKS OF DOUBT

Kilgore still isn't wearing pants?

532 Guanxi88  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 1:16:42pm

re: #526 MandyManners

And a pacifier.

Maybe some kleenex to wipe away his tears. Honestly, is everything a three-hanky deal to these guys?

533 Dustyvet  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 1:16:52pm

re: #526 MandyManners

And a pacifier.

and a Rock...

534 itellu3times  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 1:16:59pm

re: #425 Charles

This is from Martin's email, I assume he wanted it to be passed on to our commenters since it addresses y'all:

I hope you will sinmply close off this blog converation ocne you see the facts. Also please avoid allowing your bloggers to be hurtful to a person whose brother died - unless you really think he faked that ! The hospital has confirmed that the boy died and his name - see CNN report. Or did they make that up too?

Shall we deconstruct?

So he's a fascist in that he thinks discussions are, can be, should be, controlled.

So he's a bleeding-heart humanitarian, who thinks the fact of someone's death, trumps the fact of how and why he died.

With a little deduction, he implies the death was not the victim's fault, and was only because some violent, evil force took his life - that evil being the immediate agency who caused the explosion, and not something farther up the causal chain.

And, it does not address at all the question here, of whether the film was staged to make the desired dramatic points. He wants the tragedy to wash away all questions of authenticity.

Makes my head throb just to think about it.

Plus, he's apparently a slob or dyslexic or both.

And as to the fact of the matter, if anyone died, and if CNN made that up too - who knows? Once we find obvious frauds being presented to the public, there is nothing that is not questioned. That's what reporting is about, friend. Have a nice day.

535 buzzdroid  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 1:17:48pm

re: #516 Promethea

This is the amazing part. Imagine perfect beaches that go on and on. Gaza could have been/could be one of the most successful resort places on earth. It's close to Europe, and one could easily plan a terrific vacation with a few days spent visiting special sites (religious and archaeological) in Israel and then a few days spent lounging around on the beach in Gaza.

indeed - that beach is something else - it goes on for MILES...
( just zoom in on google maps - search for "gaza")

close to Europe too - and very close to all the historical sights of the Holy Land and all those Roman Empire ruins... PERFECT for a mega tourist destination.

trouble is - the locals have a thing about Islam.

536 albusteve  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 1:18:12pm

re: #516 Promethea

This is the amazing part. Imagine perfect beaches that go on and on. Gaza could have been/could be one of the most successful resort places on earth. It's close to Europe, and one could easily plan a terrific vacation with a few days spent visiting special sites (religious and archaeological) in Israel and then a few days spent lounging around on the beach in Gaza.

I have said for two weeks...this is the prize Israel has won for itself...no PA, UN, Fatah etc...nobody can lay claim to Gaza now but Israel and they would be foolish to give it to anybody

537 JacksonTn  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 1:18:29pm

OT ...I can never decide whether it is better for a team to have a week off (Titans) or to go straight into the playoffs (Ravens) ...I am nervous ...

538 goddessoftheclassroom  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 1:18:35pm

re: #531 MandyManners

Kilgore still isn't wearing pants?

LOL!

inspiration

539 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 1:18:44pm

Taking Baltimore.

540 [deleted]  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 1:19:04pm
541 Guanxi88  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 1:19:04pm

re: #538 goddessoftheclassroom

LOL!

inspiration

Tune in, turn on, drop trou!

542 JacksonTn  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 1:19:18pm

re: #539 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Taking Baltimore.

You dawg ...a shot right thru the heart ...

543 Lincolntf  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 1:20:00pm

I wonder if we've all fallen for a diversionary tactic?
Martin says he'll respond, LGF waits for him to do so (thus we're not out there looking for other incriminating facets of the story) and the story grows stale and more distant in time before he has to "recall" what actually happened.

half-sarc.

544 Pietr  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 1:20:05pm

re: #308 So?

GMTA...I posted this a few days back...but you brought it back up, so I won't nay-say your credit for keeping it front page...it needs reiterated. IMHO...

545 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 1:20:08pm

re: #542 JacksonTn

You dawg ...a shot right thru the heart ...

By more than 14.

546 itellu3times  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 1:20:13pm

re: #137 buzzdroid

friend of mine pointed out recently that the Klingons in Star Trek are based on Islam.

No sir, I would not say that. There are older warrior cultures, even Germanic and Celtic. Islam aspires to those, not the other way around. Klingons are not whiney victims.

547 Sunlight  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 1:20:22pm

re: #425 Charles

This is from Martin's email, I assume he wanted it to be passed on to our commenters since it addresses y'all:
I hope you will sinmply close off this blog converation ocne you see the facts. Also please avoid allowing your bloggers to be hurtful to a person whose brother died - unless you really think he faked that ! The hospital has confirmed that the boy died and his name - see CNN report. Or did they make that up too?

Mr. Martin - How could we possibly know. If the CNN report (along with many others over the years) is in question and that's the source you ask us to look at, then I would say that is circular reasoning. And are you saying that this man's family sends the kids to play on the roof during an air campaign? Would that constitute a case of child abuse? Or did they think maybe the presence of the kids on the roof would keep the house from being hit? A real reporting operation would ask these tough questions since using children as shields is some kind of human rights violation, even according to you, right?

548 JacksonTn  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 1:20:35pm

re: #545 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

By more than 14.

Double dawg ...

549 Guanxi88  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 1:20:57pm

re: #547 Sunlight

Well played, sir, well played.

550 MandyManners  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 1:21:35pm

re: #538 goddessoftheclassroom

LOL!

inspiration

I'm bouncin' here!

551 [deleted]  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 1:21:40pm
552 JacksonTn  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 1:21:50pm

re: #545 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

By more than 14.

You wanna put karma on that ...

553 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 1:21:54pm

re: #509 Ayatollah Ghilmeini

In war, after a certain amount of damage, units lose cohesion and become demoralized or unable to fight.

Especially if they aren't well trained to begin with. I doubt that Hamas' "troops" are anywhere near as well trained as the IDF's.

K Company, 3rd Bn, 1st Marines took the Point on Peleliu, after which they were cut off for a day-and-a-half and under constant counterattack by attempted infiltration. When relieved, K Company was down to 60-odd effectives, but it still held the Point.

Hamas, you don't pack the gear!

554 goddessoftheclassroom  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 1:22:07pm

re: #537 JacksonTn

OT ...I can never decide whether it is better for a team to have a week off (Titans) or to go straight into the playoffs (Ravens) ...I am nervous ...

I'm for anyone playing the Ravens. I do, however, think they have the coolest name for their team.

The Colts' leaving Baltimore broke my heart, and now I'm a Steelers fan. Time does funny things.

555 Killgore Trout  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 1:22:14pm

I just discovered something else interesting...

I assume this is his voice over: The future martyrs of Gaza?

Now listen to the voice over from CNN and CH4. They're all the same right? (Someone please confirm this for me)
Then why is the couch scene at home before the hospital for CH4 and after the hospital for CNN. The narration in both cases states this as part of the story but it's the same voiceover guy. I assume this is Paul Martin voice. I'd like to hear his explanation.

556 jaunte  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 1:22:14pm

re: #543 Lincolntf

I wonder if we've all fallen for a diversionary tactic?

Is world being distracted?
Is Gaza war an Iranian ploy to divert attention away from nuke program?
[Link: www.ynetnews.com...]

557 buzzdroid  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 1:22:20pm

re: #516 Promethea

This is the amazing part. Imagine perfect beaches that go on and on. Gaza could have been/could be one of the most successful resort places on earth. It's close to Europe, and one could easily plan a terrific vacation with a few days spent visiting special sites (religious and archaeological) in Israel and then a few days spent lounging around on the beach in Gaza.

by the way - friend of mine DJ'ed in Tel Aviv a few months ago. cant recomend it highly enough.

if you want to see the potential of Gaza - just look at party-town Tel Aviv.
thats what happens when the shackles of Islam are thrown into the dustbin and freedom reigns.

558 Occasional Reader  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 1:22:21pm

re: #527 buzzdroid

and theres more here

[Link: www.haaretz.com...]

"A senior Israeli military commander involved in Operation Cast Lead said on Saturday that Hamas militants are suffering from exhaustion and are deserting battle.

The commander told reporters that Amir Mansi, the commander of Hamas's rocket-launching program in the Gaza City area who was killed by the IDF on Saturday, fired mortars himself after junior Hamas operatives refused to go outside, fearing an Israeli strike. "

/no wonder there were riots in London. the Islamocrazies KNOW that Hamas is being crushed...

Best news I've seen all day. Thanks for that link.

559 albusteve  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 1:22:46pm

re: #540 ploome hineni

his whole argument/position is

BUT THE ARABS ARE SUFFERING

that's it

they are LYING on the history of Israel

they are LYING on the history of their'peoplehood'

LYING on the present and the Israeli behavior

ALL LIES and all against the arabs position

the ONLY argument the arabs and their supporters have is to BLAME Israel for the

suffering of the arabs

he's gonna get killed here...a strange forum full of Semites...it will be like another planet for him...even if he travels extensively he's never been to Lizardia...

560 reine.de.tout  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 1:23:22pm

re: #425 Charles

This is from Martin's email, I assume he wanted it to be passed on to our commenters since it addresses y'all:


If the child died, then that is indeed a tragedy that no one wants to see, and I have not seen any comments here that would suggest anyone here feels otherwise.

The issue is the footage - the medical personnel surrounding the child are either doing a very poor job of providing care, or it was staged or "re-created" for the camera.

And if the child is dead, and the body was used to stage or "re-create" the scene for the camera, that in itself is a heinous action, to use the body of a dead child in that way for purposes of propaganda.

The story itself - why the difference in the time-line in the BBC version and the CBS versions (as to when the child was home being "cradled" by the family)?

Why do the sheets on the hospital bed appear to have a combination of old blood and new blood, and why don't the bloodstains match the "head wound" the story claims the child suffered?

In the video, there is no evidence of a head wound that I could see.

How did the person in the video come to the conclusion that the IDF "targeted" these two boys? You can sort of hear that comment in one of the CBS versions; and if I recall, in the BBC version the reporter says it outright.

Why do the shrapnel pock-marks that were pictured on the building's roof appear to be old ones, not "clean" new ones?

These are the questions I think many people have; and if the boy died, then that is indeed a tragedy, and no one wishes that had happened.

561 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 1:23:33pm

re: #550 MandyManners

Speaking of Bad Moon...Largest, brightest moon of the year tonight. If you have clear skies...go look east!

562 Tumulus11  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 1:23:55pm
'Responding to accusations that the resuscitation efforts of Mashharawi's brother appeared inauthentic, Martin said that, based on his years of reporting from Gaza, doctors often go through such efforts even with little hope that a patient can be saved.'
// CNN.


. The light massage performed on the 'patient's' abdomen in the video bears no resemblance to any genuine attempt to resuscitate.


'The hospital has confirmed that the boy died ...'


. I don't believe any part of this story.

563 Spiritualized  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 1:23:58pm

Hey CNN muppet.

Civility is earned and you will certainly get none from me. Sod off.

Normal people don't parade their dead relatives about on camera.

564 yma o hyd  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 1:24:08pm

re: #518 jwb7605

I'm actually glad this "discussion" isn't going to happen until Tomorrow.
It gives me time to collect myself and prepare for the "interview".

Anybody on this forum that doesn't think the comments will be cherry-picked and used by (especially) CNN is dumber than the proverbial bag of dirt. A 'delay' would seem to be quite useful if (by accident) some professional journalists are being set up to monitor the process.

I submit that we use the time wisely.

Good point!

And if I may add this little piece of experience: a carefully worded, ever-so-polite paragraph is far more difficult to defend against than SHOUTING ...

But Lizards know this already ...sorry, not teaching Lizards how to suck eggs!

565 buzzdroid  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 1:24:23pm

re: #543 Lincolntf

I wonder if we've all fallen for a diversionary tactic?
Martin says he'll respond, LGF waits for him to do so (thus we're not out there looking for other incriminating facets of the story) and the story grows stale and more distant in time before he has to "recall" what actually happened.

half-sarc.

judging by the lack of reply on here , considering that he has an account created by Chrales , means only one thing - the video WAS faked.

but that doesnt matter to moonbats like him - the Pallywooders are SUFFERING...

well, i have a message for him and the Pallywooders - DONT SUPPORT NAZIS.. the Jews have a thing about that. and they'll hit you f**king hard for doing so.

566 LGoPs  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 1:24:35pm

re: #137 buzzdroid

friend of mine pointed out recently that the Klingons in Star Trek are based on Islam.

Gene Rondenberry sure had a thing going with his predictions - although its happened somewhat sooner than he predicted.

Yup - the Klingons. thats Islam.

That's interesting. I always assumed they were patterned after the Soviets...in the context of the times - mid to late '60's...

567 Lynn B.  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 1:24:41pm

re: #137 buzzdroid

friend of mine pointed out recently that the Klingons in Star Trek are based on Islam.

Gene Rondenberry sure had a thing going with his predictions - although its happened somewhat sooner than he predicted.

Yup - the Klingons. thats Islam.

Personally, I think Islam bears a much closer resemblance to the Borg.

And I think the stories about Roddenberry's deliberate parallels to either one are urban legends. Have never been able to confirm.

568 Guanxi88  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 1:24:53pm

As for Hamas getting crushed an losing "unit cohesion", etc.

Look, I think of these guys as weapons systems and/or weapons platforms. The fact that they're scattered and hidden doesn't mean their effectiveness in some future engagement is diminished.

IDF need to grab ahold of these guys and kick their spines out through the tops of their heads. Letting them melt back into the population just delays the thing.

569 debutaunt  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 1:25:02pm

re: #555 Killgore Trout

I just discovered something else interesting...

I assume this is his voice over: The future martyrs of Gaza?

Now listen to the voice over from CNN and CH4. They're all the same right? (Someone please confirm this for me)
Then why is the couch scene at home before the hospital for CH4 and after the hospital for CNN. The narration in both cases states this as part of the story but it's the same voiceover guy. I assume this is Paul Martin voice. I'd like to hear his explanation.

He's reading all the questions in advance of his appearance tomorrow - I'm sure there will be amazing answers to everything!

570 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 1:25:03pm

re: #552 JacksonTn

You wanna put karma on that ...

I'm not that confident. I am the worst prognosticator in the history of football. It is probably good news for you that I have picked the Ravens.

GO FLACCO!

571 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 1:25:29pm

Gonna watch the footsballs!

572 Occasional Reader  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 1:25:33pm

re: #516 Promethea

This is the amazing part. Imagine perfect beaches that go on and on. Gaza could have been/could be one of the most successful resort places on earth. It's close to Europe, and one could easily plan a terrific vacation with a few days spent visiting special sites (religious and archaeological) in Israel and then a few days spent lounging around on the beach in Gaza.

Build stuff? Maintain it? That takes work, and it's boring! It's much more fun to hate/kill/hate/kill/hate/kill while getting welfare checks from the entire world.

573 albusteve  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 1:25:46pm

re: #561 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Speaking of Bad Moon...Largest, brightest moon of the year tonight. If you have clear skies...go look east!

no CCR?...bummah

574 JacksonTn  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 1:26:07pm

re: #570 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I'm not that confident. I am the worst prognosticator in the history of football. It is probably good news for you that I have picked the Ravens.

GO FLACCO!

Okay ...hey what's the over/under on the game ...VegasRick would know ...

575 Killgore Trout  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 1:26:13pm

re: #569 debutaunt

He's reading all the questions in advance of his appearance tomorrow - I'm sure there will be amazing answers to everything!

Good. His answers should be well thought out then.

576 jcm  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 1:26:15pm

Mr. Martin,

You ask me to respect the dead.

When the circumstances around the attack on the boys does requires us to believe in weapons which do not exist.
When the the hospital scene is highly questionable to every medical professional we've talked with that's seen in, myself included.

For us to accept the death of the young man we have to accept an improbable attack scenario, and the questionable hospital video. Those things bring into question the cause of death, his treatment, and the time and place of any alleged death.

You expect us to accept the boys death at face value with all that?

577 Smilla  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 1:26:35pm

re: #560 reine.de.tout

If the child really had died, it shows they have no respect for the dead.

/but we knew that.

578 itellu3times  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 1:27:02pm

re: #540 ploome hineni

his whole argument/position is

BUT THE ARABS ARE SUFFERING

that's it

I wonder. The likes of him are often as involved in Jew-hatred as Arab-loving. He's not all broken up about Hamas killing Fatah Palestinians, is he? The death of Arabs just gives his anti-semitism an outlet. Which came first, one wonders. Actually, I don't wonder at all but presume the worst.

579 Occasional Reader  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 1:27:14pm

re: #567 Lynn B.

Personally, I think Islam bears a much closer resemblance to the Borg.

In some respects yes. But remember that the Borg are highly logical. Doesn't sound like the jihadists.

580 buzzdroid  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 1:27:16pm

re: #566 LGoPs

That's interesting. I always assumed they were patterned after the Soviets...in the context of the times - mid to late '60's...

no they arent - only going by what my Star Trek uber-geek friend says - he was very specific - its based on Islam.

maybe Vulcans are based on Marxism... all that logic , and communialism and no feelings for individuals.

581 Dustyvet  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 1:27:30pm

re: #573 albusteve

no CCR?...bummah

Youtube Video
582 Pietr  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 1:27:45pm

re: #344 ErislDysnomia

Disproportionality, my ass.

How about emphasizing the following point?

Hamas is not only responsible for a few murders, but they are also responsible for thousands of counts of ATTEMPTED MURDER.

In our justice system, attempted murder is considered a serious crime almost as serious as murder itself and entails severe punishment.

Attempted murder encompasses the same actions and intent as an actualized murder, the difference being the actor's incompetence or unfavorable circumstances.

Therefore where is the disproportionality? If attempted murder is almost as serious a crime as completed murder, then a few hundred dead Palestinians (of which at least some are attempted murderers) vs. thousands of attempted murders of mostly innocent Israeli civilians seems quite proportional.

These Hamas missiles are not an act of vandalism because maybe Gazans object to Israeli architecture. These missiles are not acts of juvenile deliquency. It's not like French "youths" setting fire to thousands of cars -- that's malicious hooliganism. The missiles are more like those French "youths" setting fire to cars with French citizens in them, but most of those occupants being able to get out in time. I'm sure the French authorities would react quite differently to that type of "protest."

By the way, under Sharia Law what's the penalty for attempted murder, I ask?

Under Sharia Law-killing Infidels is sanctioned-it isn't considered a crime.

583 itellu3times  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 1:28:06pm

re: #578 itellu3times

I wonder. The likes of him are often as involved in Jew-hatred as Arab-loving. He's not all broken up about Hamas killing Fatah Palestinians, is he? The death of Arabs just gives his anti-semitism an outlet. Which came first, one wonders. Actually, I don't wonder at all but presume the worst.

btw, just when did Fatah become a respectable label? grumble.

584 Killian Bundy  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 1:28:22pm

It just occurred to me that Hamas blames Israel for the "siege" of Gaza (they can't call it an "occupation" any more) and uses the closure of border crossings to justify firing rockets into Israel.

/um, Egypt has Gaza sealed and walled off too, just like Israel does, why aren't they lobbing rockets into Egypt?

585 LGoPs  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 1:28:52pm

re: #579 Occasional Reader

In some respects yes. But remember that the Borg are highly logical. Doesn't sound like the jihadists.

Yeah, and the Borg are nicer...

586 itellu3times  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 1:29:05pm

re: #580 buzzdroid

maybe Vulcans are based on Marxism... all that logic , and communialism and no feelings for individuals.

No, again I would push it back further, Marxism is itself an appeal to rationalism and logic that has roots much older.

587 Rancher  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 1:29:15pm

re: #516 Promethea

This is the amazing part. Imagine perfect beaches that go on and on. Gaza could have been/could be one of the most successful resort places on earth. It's close to Europe, and one could easily plan a terrific vacation with a few days spent visiting special sites (religious and archaeological) in Israel and then a few days spent lounging around on the beach in Gaza.


I think it once was a resort area. On another note am I to understand that Ron Martin has registered and will be taking questions?

588 Sharmuta  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 1:29:25pm
I hope you will sinmply close off this blog converation ocne you see the facts. Also please avoid allowing your bloggers to be hurtful to a person whose brother died - unless you really think he faked that ! The hospital has confirmed that the boy died and his name - see CNN report. Or did they make that up too?

This is all I really need to see of Mr. Martin. "Avoid allowing your bloggers to be hurtful to a person whose brother died". That's mental and emotional blackmail. We're supposed to feel sorry for this guy whose brother died, not ask questions about the report. Asking the questions is hurtful to this person. Typical. Evil is the victim of Good. We are just Big Ol' Good picking on this poor victim, aren't we Mr. Martin? Feh.

I propose a potluck sidedish buffet to go along with this future troll roast. Don't everybody bring Green Been Casserole.

589 albusteve  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 1:29:36pm

re: #581 Dustyvet

[Video]

good for you!...someone else doin the legwork
me enjoy...

590 Promethea  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 1:30:31pm

re: #278 MandyManners

Hey, Paul? Boxers or briefs?

You stole my question!

591 jaunte  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 1:31:06pm

re: #588 Sharmuta

I will bring Has Been surprise.

592 itellu3times  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 1:31:23pm

PM shows up tomorrow, he'd better come with a prediction on the Giants-Eagles game.

593 MandyManners  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 1:31:26pm

re: #588 Sharmuta

This is all I really need to see of Mr. Martin. "Avoid allowing your bloggers to be hurtful to a person whose brother died". That's mental and emotional blackmail. We're supposed to feel sorry for this guy whose brother died, not ask questions about the report. Asking the questions is hurtful to this person. Typical. Evil is the victim of Good. We are just Big Ol' Good picking on this poor victim, aren't we Mr. Martin? Feh.

I propose a potluck sidedish buffet to go along with this future troll roast. Don't everybody bring Green Been Casserole.

I'll bring the devilled eggs.

594 Lincolntf  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 1:31:26pm

re: #584 Killian Bundy

Because Egypt would respond like all Muslim countries with the means to do so would respond. By razing every building and killing every human being in the Gaza Strip. They count on the restraint of the Israelis to keep them alive.

Oh yeah, plus the minor matter of Egyptians not being Joos.

595 Dustyvet  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 1:31:37pm

re: #590 Promethea

You stole my question!

Knickers because he's ba**...um never mind.

596 reine.de.tout  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 1:32:00pm

re: #588 Sharmuta

. . . I propose a potluck sidedish buffet to go along with this future troll roast. Don't everybody bring Green Been Casserole.

eh, that's all I know how to fix.

597 MandyManners  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 1:32:12pm

re: #590 Promethea

I wonder what kind of laptop he uses.

598 goddessoftheclassroom  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 1:32:13pm

BBIAW

599 itellu3times  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 1:32:25pm

re: #596 reine.de.tout

eh, that's all I know how to fix.

I didn't know it was broken!

600 MandyManners  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 1:32:33pm

re: #591 jaunte

I will bring Has Been surprise.

Does it involve cream of mushroom soup?

601 Smilla  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 1:32:40pm

re: #578 itellu3times

Not a comment on your opinion, but your choice of words reminds me of Fred McMurray's great line in Double Indemnity to Barbara Stanwyck: I wonder if you wonder.

602 albusteve  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 1:32:56pm

re: #588 Sharmuta

This is all I really need to see of Mr. Martin. "Avoid allowing your bloggers to be hurtful to a person whose brother died". That's mental and emotional blackmail. We're supposed to feel sorry for this guy whose brother died, not ask questions about the report. Asking the questions is hurtful to this person. Typical. Evil is the victim of Good. We are just Big Ol' Good picking on this poor victim, aren't we Mr. Martin? Feh.

I propose a potluck sidedish buffet to go along with this future troll roast. Don't everybody bring Green Been Casserole.

Charles should disinvite him for this insipid reply...it's an insult to LGFs

603 Bob Dillon  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 1:33:06pm

Time well spent - check out:

Hal Lindsey - The Biased Treatment Against Israel by the Media, the UN, Russia & The Arab World

Liveleak Video
604 albusteve  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 1:33:56pm

re: #593 MandyManners

I'll bring the devilled eggs.

apropo big time...

605 MandyManners  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 1:34:11pm

re: #602 albusteve

Charles should disinvite him for this insipid reply...it's an insult to LGFs

It's a good window into his mind.

606 Smilla  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 1:34:23pm

re: #602 albusteve

I have a feeling previous posters are correct - he'll find a way to get out of posting a response.

607 Promethea  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 1:35:31pm

re: #288 jaunte

Gilbert and Fosse are both complaining about the Israeli use of a weapon designed to reduce collateral damage with a smaller radius of blast destruction, claiming that they "suspect" survivors of these explosions will develop cancer, (even though they admit there is very little research to back them up.)
[Link: people.boston.com...]

Amazing. They should be more worried about Israelis inventing poisonous blowguns that home in on enemies directly. It's actually quite doable these days.

608 albusteve  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 1:35:33pm

re: #605 MandyManners

It's a good window into his mind.

OTOH we should unleash the dogs on his ass...civility be damned...what an asshole

609 LGoPs  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 1:35:46pm

I left the thread for a while. Why is this guy coming tomorrow - does he urgently need to do the dishes or something? Seems to me if you have a strong position you're ready to defend it anywhere, anytime.

610 buzzdroid  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 1:35:48pm

re: #587 Rancher

I think it once was a resort area. On another note am I to understand that Ron Martin has registered and will be taking questions?

interesting link...

"About 40 gunmen swarmed into the resort, which was a favorite of Israelis before Palestinian-Israeli violence erupted in 2000."

so it was a resort.
before the Islamocrazies took over.

611 MandyManners  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 1:35:51pm

re: #606 Smilla

I have a feeling previous posters are correct - he'll find a way to get out of posting a response.

That reminds me...who's bringing the fried chicken to Sharmuta's potluck?

612 jaunte  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 1:36:37pm

re: #607 Promethea

Obviously they have no idea about the IAF 'Wasp' program.

613 MandyManners  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 1:36:41pm

re: #608 albusteve

OTOH we should unleash the dogs on his ass...civility be damned...what an asshole

Hope he's wearing asbestos panties.

614 Dustyvet  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 1:36:44pm

re: #605 MandyManners

It's a good window into his mind.

It's me, it's me it's Ernest T...throws rock at window!

615 MrPaulRevere  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 1:36:51pm

re: #425 Charles

Mr. Martin is already throwing up a strawman. No one denies the boy is dead and his death is a tragedy.

616 SurferDoc  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 1:37:20pm

re: #546 itellu3times

No sir, I would not say that. There are older warrior cultures, even Germanic and Celtic. Islam aspires to those, not the other way around. Klingons are not whiney victims.

Klingons would not clap suicide vests on kids. They'd probably kill anyone who suggested it.

617 Lynn B.  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 1:37:24pm

re: #480 jcm

Mohammed Al-dura ring a bell Mr. Martin?

I'm sure it does. He was pushing that hoax himself in this video (which has been linked in several comments on this and the previous thread).

618 reine.de.tout  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 1:37:28pm

Where's Ploome?

I'm looking again at the photo she linked to, and there is a bit of unfortunate composition in that photo - look at the tree coming out of Dr. Fosse's head.

619 Smilla  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 1:37:29pm

re: #609 LGoPs

Too right.

/Bring it on.

620 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 1:38:09pm

re: #593 MandyManners

I'll bring the devilled eggs.

I was going to volunteer goat entrail hors d'oeuvres, but on second thought, I'll come up with something we won't have.

621 swamprat  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 1:38:23pm

Brother "filmed the boys death".
It was put on the news per his wishes.
And we are not supposed to talk about it out of respect.

That is an interesting logic chain.

622 buzzdroid  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 1:38:59pm

re: #615 MrPaulRevere

Mr. Martin is already throwing up a strawman. No one denies the boy is dead and his death is a tragedy.

lies dont matter to moonbats.

its the "narrative" that matters - that the Pallywooders are "suffering" because of the Zionist war machine, aided by America.

to the moonbat left , lies arent a bad thing - they help with furthering the cause... and the more lies that sink into the general publics mind , the better.

(which is why so many moonbat leftists work in the media...)

623 Sharmuta  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 1:39:09pm

re: #602 albusteve

Charles should disinvite him for this insipid reply...it's an insult to LGFs

No- I say we give him all the rope he'd like.

624 jaunte  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 1:39:28pm

re: #621 swamprat

Talking about it is ok.
We're not talking about it in the correct way.

625 SurferDoc  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 1:39:36pm

re: #621 swamprat

Brother "filmed the boys death".
It was put on the news per his wishes.
And we are not supposed to talk about it out of respect.

That is an interesting logic chain.

Imagine just for a second what thought process must have led up to, "Film this."

626 albusteve  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 1:39:44pm

re: #613 MandyManners

Hope he's wearing asbestos panties.

if he shows up we're gonna find out...it's really beyond the pale that juvenile disconnected response...

627 Pigtown Water Dog  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 1:39:48pm

re: #537 JacksonTn

I'm nervous, too!

628 njdhockeyfan  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 1:39:50pm

Looks like I missed a lot of CNN updates.

629 Dustyvet  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 1:40:15pm

re: #621 swamprat

Brother "filmed the boys death".
It was put on the news per his wishes.
And we are not supposed to talk about it out of respect.

That is an interesting logic chain.

Youtube Video
630 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 1:40:39pm

re: #602 albusteve

Charles should disinvite him for this insipid reply...it's an insult to LGFs

I disagree. The request's been granted, the invitation extended.

The insult can be dealt with in a rational manner when the time comes.

631 Dar ul Harb  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 1:40:51pm

re: #603 Bobibutu

Time well spent - check out:

Hal Lindsey - The Biased Treatment Against Israel by the Media, the UN, Russia & The Arab World

Hal 'The Late Great Planet Earth" Lindsey, who presumably is still waiting for the End Times?

632 jaunte  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 1:40:59pm

re: #625 SurferDoc

"You're brother's dead! Make sure you get him in focus."

633 albusteve  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 1:41:13pm

re: #623 Sharmuta

No- I say we give him all the rope he'd like.

I've changed my mind...give him a fair trial then hang him

634 jaunte  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 1:41:26pm

pimf
Your

635 jwb7605  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 1:41:27pm

re: #630 pre-Boomer Marine brat

I disagree. The request's been granted, the invitation extended.

The insult can be dealt with in a rational manner when the time comes.

upding, brat.

636 LGoPs  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 1:41:46pm

re: #623 Sharmuta

No- I say we give him all the rope he'd like.

Moonbats are cowards and they've been accustomed to not having to back-up their BS due to a sycophantic media. I give it 50-50 that he never shows up tomorrow...

637 jcm  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 1:42:07pm

re: #621 swamprat

Brother "filmed the boys death".
It was put on the news per his wishes.
And we are not supposed to talk about it out of respect.

That is an interesting logic chain.

It makes question the circumstances around the death problematic.

638 Rancher  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 1:42:23pm

re: #618 reine.de.tout

Where's Ploome?

Putting her panties back on.

639 albusteve  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 1:42:26pm

re: #632 jaunte

"You're brother's dead! Make sure you get him in focus."

make up!...where's make up?

640 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 1:43:00pm

re: #615 MrPaulRevere

No one denies the boy is dead...

Some of us here have serious questions about it, based upon evidence we see in the videos.

641 reine.de.tout  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 1:43:11pm

re: #638 Rancher

Putting her panties back on.

hahahaha!

642 pink freud  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 1:43:58pm

I've just finished reading the CNN video/Norwegian doctor update threads. Most impressive detective work by all involved.

May I suggest the name LEAPING LIZARDS INVESTIGATIONS.

Excellent work.

643 njdhockeyfan  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 1:44:14pm

I stopped watching CNN years ago after they decided to show the propaganda videos of snipers picking off our troops. They make me sick.

644 Lynn B.  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 1:44:15pm

re: #579 Occasional Reader

In some respects yes. But remember that the Borg are highly logical. Doesn't sound like the jihadists.

I make no representations about any other content on this site, but I think this guy has nailed it pretty well.

We can, however, thank the "Star Trek: The Next Generation" for introducing and concretizing a new nemesis long before its real-life counterpart made itself known. This was the "The Borg," a ravenous, nomadic phenomenon bent on conquest through the destruction of civilizations and the absorption and forcible conversion of their inhabitants into ant-like ciphers with no volition of their own. Its collective by-word and warning was "Resistance is futile." The sole alternative to submission to it was death. Its goal was to erase all traces of individuality and values from men so they could better serve "the hive."

Islam (or submission) can be characterized as a real-life "Borg." Islam is a creed that demands unthinking, unreserved submission and obedience to the commands of a ghost, purportedly related by an angel (Gabriel) to a pedophilic barbarian-cum-prophet some fourteen centuries ago, and that encourages the conquest and absorption of secular Western societies under primitive Sharia law. Colonies of Muslims appeared and grew in the midst of those societies, in Europe, Canada, the United States, and other Western countries. They were an alien phenomena that first seemed as anomalously insular as the Amish and Hassidic Jews, but have begun to exhibit a virulence that would not otherwise have been noticed, acknowledged or even tolerated but for the emasculating effects of multiculturalism, diversity, and tolerance.

And that's only a small excerpt.

645 LGoPs  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 1:44:20pm

re: #637 jcm

It makes question the circumstances around the death problematic.

Very typical adolescent liberal logic - meant to stop any discussion. Very similar to the technique of yelling RACIST...

646 Sharmuta  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 1:44:34pm

What's ironic is it was cnn where I saw Charles discussing the reuters fauxtography, and now the same diligence is biting cnn in the ass.

647 SurferDoc  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 1:45:11pm

re: #639 albusteve

make up!...where's make up?

"OK, now pretend like you are giving him CPR. They'll be reaching for tissues by the handsfull."

648 jwb7605  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 1:45:16pm

I'm wondering if he has seen Galid Shalit, and knows what quality of medical treatment is being given.

Has anybody noticed that both sides think one Israeli is always worth several thousand "Palestinians"?

649 Dustyvet  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 1:45:43pm

re: #647 SurferDoc

"OK, now pretend like you are giving him CPR. They'll be reaching for tissues by the handsfull."

Stunt Double!

650 Dar ul Harb  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 1:46:00pm

re: #615 MrPaulRevere

Mr. Martin is already throwing up a strawman. No one denies the boy is dead and his death is a tragedy.

O.K., I'll deny the boy is dead.

(Remarkable lot of color for a corpse, and relatively little visible injury for having been specially targeted by an Israeli Ultra-Low Yield Innocent Child-Seeking Missile™.)

If he's dead, I'll wager it wasn't from any sort of violent trauma.

651 Pietr  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 1:46:01pm

re: #415 MJ

U.S. Rejected Aid for Israeli Raid on Iranian Nuclear Site

By DAVID E. SANGER
Published: January 10, 2009
WASHINGTON — President Bush deflected a secret request by Israel last year for specialized bunker-busting bombs it wanted for an attack on Iran’s main nuclear complex and told the Israelis that he had authorized new covert action intended to sabotage Iran’s suspected effort to develop nuclear weapons, according to senior American and foreign officials.

[Link: www.nytimes.com...]

George W. Bush. The President who allowed Iran to get the bomb.


This from the NYT-supporters of the 'fake but accurate' Rathergate Docs-dispensers of 'Top Secret Info to Terrorists', at the expense of US security-etc, etc, etc, etc, etc...need I even say more?

652 MrPaulRevere  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 1:46:10pm

re: #640 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Questions are fine. I'll presume he died for the sake of the argument.

653 Smilla  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 1:46:14pm

re: #647 SurferDoc

Damn. No violinists available for the sentimental soundtrack. Killed them all for making music.

654 SurferDoc  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 1:47:35pm

re: #653 Smilla

Damn. No violinists available for the sentimental soundtrack. Killed them all for making music.

"...cue the wailing women!"

655 Aye Pod  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 1:47:47pm

re: #425 Charles

This is from Martin's email, I assume he wanted it to be passed on to our commenters since it addresses y'all:

I also find it hard to believe that the child in question didn't die, as his brother, who works in the media, would have to sustain this lie forever afterwards - it doesn't seem likely. But the action in the video does seem staged, and it isn't hard to believe that the death would be exploited for propoganda purposes. I also don't find it hard to believe that someone committed to 'the cause' would feel morally justified to do a little re-enactment.

To counter that, Mr Martin will have to demonstrate how the cpr actions we saw in the video are indeed authentic, and show how the medical opinions so far given are wrong.

He'll have to do more than merely express outrage at the hurt such questions might cause, as though that were enough to put the issue out of bounds.

656 Bob Dillon  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 1:48:15pm

re: #631 Dar ul Harb

Hal 'The Late Great Planet Earth" Lindsey, who presumably is still waiting for the End Times?

He may be crazy but he's not stupid. Did you watch and listen to the video?

657 HoosierHoops  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 1:48:20pm

re: #648 jwb7605

I'm wondering if he has seen Galid Shalit, and knows what quality of medical treatment is being given.

Has anybody noticed that both sides think one Israeli is always worth several thousand "Palestinians"?


May God grant him peace

658 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 1:48:25pm

re: #635 jwb7605

upding, brat.

Thank you. I'm usually not here in the evening (which is when he might make his appearance, per Charles up-thread.) If I am here, I'll likely bite my *** tongue. Trolls are one thing. This asshole and his ilk are something else.

/look for me on the fantail -- the smell from the garbage chute will be more pleasant

659 Smilla  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 1:49:03pm

re: #654 SurferDoc

And how he wanted to be a suicide bomber when he grew up.

660 albusteve  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 1:49:42pm

re: #646 Sharmuta

What's ironic is it was cnn where I saw Charles discussing the reuters fauxtography, and now the same diligence is biting cnn in the ass.

indeed...they have to be spooked...you just know someone is surfing here...they have to be talking about CJ his potential for mischief...haha...fuck them

661 Dustyvet  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 1:49:47pm

re: #659 Smilla

And how he wanted to be a suicide bomber when he grew up.

They blow up so fast...

662 Occasional Reader  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 1:49:54pm

re: #644 Lynn B.

And that's only a small excerpt.

Interesting comparisons. But I've saved my trump card for last: This aint' exactly a burkha!

663 Dar ul Harb  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 1:49:57pm

re: #652 MrPaulRevere

Questions are fine. I'll presume he died for the sake of the argument.

Likewise.

664 Killian Bundy  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 1:50:01pm

Oh Noes!

/Blagojevich has taken hostages!

665 Lynn B.  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 1:50:13pm

re: #657 HoosierHoops

May God grant him peace

If you mean what I think you mean by that ... I'm afraid I concur.

666 Luigi  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 1:50:48pm

Egged on by the BBC, Muslims in London are rampaging against Jews...

[Link: gatewaypundit.blogspot.com...]

Egged on the the LA Times, CNN and the others, Muslims in Los Angeles are rampaging against Jews...

[Link: gatewaypundit.blogspot.com...]

667 Wyatt Earp  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 1:51:02pm

re: #660 albusteve

indeed...they have to be spooked...you just know someone is surfing here...they have to be talking about CJ his potential for mischief...haha...fuck them

Serves them right for trying to pull these shenanigans, then pretending that no one noticed.

668 rightwinger3  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 1:51:14pm

re: #170 Killgore Trout

That's bullshit. When the small clip of the video was shown on NBC Jan 4th the narrator announced him as just a producer not a cameraman filming his brother dying as in the Jan 9th videos on CNN and CH4.

669 Smilla  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 1:51:26pm

re: #664 Killian Bundy
It'll get sticky when they start asking the difficult questions, as children are known to do. Out of the mouths of babes.

670 Dustyvet  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 1:51:49pm

re: #664 Killian Bundy

Oh Noes!

/Blagojevich has taken hostages!


All right kid's who's going to give me their lunch money for a senate seat?

671 MrPaulRevere  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 1:52:01pm

IF Mr. Martin shows up, we should let Charles and Killgore ask the questions. Just an observation.

672 Sunlight  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 1:52:20pm

re: #602 albusteve

Charles should disinvite him for this insipid reply...it's an insult to LGFs

That's what I think. After Charles said he asked to post, then we wait, and then I'm thinking either this guy is composing a gem of a post or he's jerking Charles around to try to get him to stop researching and posting on the issue. The issue is the veracity and history of the video and the story told in the video, not the feelings of the family members (maybe that is why videos promulgated by family members are generally not considered appropriate for REAL journalism). Journalists are supposed to be neutral and even this guys putting-Charles-off post is almost crying in its tone and desperation to get us to stop being mean to the cameraman and stop making a kerfluffle over this. But what he needs to realize is that CNN's consistent bias constitutes incitement when they get into lying lies. And that people in the streets of the U.S. are yelling for the Jews to be put back in the oven and no Americans are stopping them from doing that. Your lies (Al dura, etc.) constitute incitement to violence.

673 albusteve  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 1:52:25pm

re: #662 Occasional Reader

Interesting comparisons. But I've saved my trump card for last: This aint' exactly a burkha!

she should consult a plastic surgeon...maybe that thing on her head can be removed...

674 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 1:52:40pm

re: #652 MrPaulRevere

Questions are fine. I'll presume he died for the sake of the argument.

Which is fine by me. Our strongest arguments are regarding the "CPR" and the lack of damage on that roof. Let's run with those.

675 Jr Ewing  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 1:52:49pm

Dueling Rallies in L.A. by Israeli Consulate (Rough Cut)

Your text to link...

676 yma o hyd  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 1:53:15pm

re: #655 Jimmah

It may well be the case that his brother died - but was it his brother which ws on that hospital bed?
According to the CNN info, his brother was 12, and he and his cousin were on that roof - the cousin was 14 yeasr old.

I may be wrong, but the lad we saw in the film looked older than 12 to me.
The little body wrapped up in the sheet and shown to us as being carried to the cemetery was much slighter.

Which again begs teh question: how can the video be a true report of something that really happened, and how can it not have been a staged, fake report?

677 Lynn B.  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 1:53:16pm

re: #662 Occasional Reader

Interesting comparisons. But I've saved my trump card for last: This aint' exactly a burkha!

LOL! No it sure ain't.

But, again, I think the parallels are probably largely coincidental (though I wouldn't bet the ranch on it and if not there was probably a deliberate attempt not to be too obvious).

678 Dar ul Harb  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 1:53:20pm

re: #655 Jimmah

I also find it hard to believe that the child in question didn't die, as his brother, who works in the media, would have to sustain this lie forever afterwards - it doesn't seem likely.

Considering that we have seen video of a Palestinian "funeral" in which the "corpse" had to climb back on the stretcher when the pallbearers lost their grip, it's not so unlikely after all, IMO.

679 Wyatt Earp  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 1:53:45pm

re: #673 albusteve

she should consult a plastic surgeon...maybe that thing on her head can be removed...

My pants grow tight . . .

680 albusteve  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 1:53:57pm

re: #671 MrPaulRevere

IF Mr. Martin shows up, we should let Charles and Killgore ask the questions. Just an observation.

something like that yes...there are others certainly

681 MandyManners  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 1:54:10pm

re: #666 Luigi

Egged on by the BBC, Muslims in London are rampaging against Jews...

[Link: gatewaypundit.blogspot.com...]

Egged on the the LA Times, CNN and the others, Muslims in Los Angeles are rampaging against Jews...

[Link: gatewaypundit.blogspot.com...]

From the river to the sea? Are they serious? Wipe out Israel?

682 Aye Pod  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 1:54:32pm

I just watched a hilarious scene from 'The Sopranos' series 3. A bunch of mafia wives are sitting in a restaurant discussing their lots and they come to the conclusion that Hilary Clinton is their ultimate role model. Too fun!

683 Dustyvet  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 1:54:37pm

re: #679 Wyatt Earp

My pants grow tight . . .

CRASH! ROFLMAO!

684 jcm  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 1:54:53pm

re: #660 albusteve

indeed...they have to be spooked...you just know someone is surfing here...they have to be talking about CJ his potential for mischief...haha...fuck them

The media is not used to having people looking over their shoulders that have a means of distributing their critiques. When Uncle Walter proclaimed the Tet Offensive a defeat and Vietnam lost. Those who knew differently didn't have a way to get the word of Crankcase's lies out to the world.

Times have changed. The media will learn their asses are gonna' get fact check to death, the results distributed, or they will cease to exist.

685 Wyatt Earp  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 1:55:16pm

re: #683 Dustyvet

CRASH! ROFLMAO!

I can't possibly owe you a new keyboard two days after the last one!

686 Oh no...Sand People!  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 1:55:55pm

re: #678 Dar ul Harb

Considering that we have seen video of a Palestinian "funeral" in which the "corpse" had to climb back on the stretcher when the pallbearers lost their grip, it's not so unlikely after all, IMO.

They are a culture of necros. Sick. Depraved. Vile. To even fake atrocities should be beyond the pale.

687 Dustyvet  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 1:56:04pm

re: #685 Wyatt Earp

I can't possibly owe you a new keyboard two days after the last one!

You do...and a towel for the cat...:)

688 Wyatt Earp  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 1:56:18pm

re: #684 jcm

The media is not used to having people looking over their shoulders that have a means of distributing their critiques. When Uncle Walter proclaimed the Tet Offensive a defeat and Vietnam lost. Those who knew differently didn't have a way to get the word of Crankcase's lies out to the world.

Times have changed. The media will learn their asses are gonna' get fact check to death, the results distributed, or they will cease to exist.


Paging The New York Times . . .

689 Luigi  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 1:56:20pm

THE LONDON POGROM...

How does the BBC describe the horrid nazi-style hate sprees Muslims are having in London?

UK protest for Gaza peace


[Link: news.bbc.co.uk...]

Yes, 'protests for Gaza peace'. That BBC newspeak for a pogrom. As usual, according to the Beeb: "The protest started peacefully..."

690 Daisy  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 1:56:21pm

re: #330 Silvergirl

Back again and thanks, Silvergirl, it does help. You point out the downside of food combining/asst. associated nuisances and also mention the increase in energy. The second point helps persuade me to give it another try, despite some of the difficulties at restaurants etc.

I'd used the 'Fit for Life approach' some years ago and found it helpful. What was interesting was that when I embarked, I had about 7 lbs. or so to lose (after the birth of my second child). My sister had substantially more weight to lose. We were vacationing together when we started the new eating plan. I lost weight in no time, found my energy was great and maintained my healthy weight w/the diet. My sister kept losing weight at a steady rate eating basically the same amounts and kinds of food I was eating. That gave me a favorable impression of the approach as a healthy way of eating, not just a weight loss scheme.

I gave the plan up when I saw it was too complicated to deal with feeding a family (at least for me it was). Rethinking it now that they're grown and it's just Mr. Daisy and me - he more fit than I - and I wanting to get more fit and increase my energy. Again, thanks for your input.

691 albusteve  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 1:57:06pm

re: #672 Sunlight

That's what I think. After Charles said he asked to post, then we wait, and then I'm thinking either this guy is composing a gem of a post or he's jerking Charles around to try to get him to stop researching and posting on the issue. The issue is the veracity and history of the video and the story told in the video, not the feelings of the family members (maybe that is why videos promulgated by family members are generally not considered appropriate for REAL journalism). Journalists are supposed to be neutral and even this guys putting-Charles-off post is almost crying in its tone and desperation to get us to stop being mean to the cameraman and stop making a kerfluffle over this. But what he needs to realize is that CNN's consistent bias constitutes incitement when they get into lying lies. And that people in the streets of the U.S. are yelling for the Jews to be put back in the oven and no Americans are stopping them from doing that. Your lies (Al dura, etc.) constitute incitement to violence.

I've been convinced by my betters to feed him to the wolves...it's an unusual situation and a great opportunity for a straight up confrontation...if he here leaves with any dignity at all it will be too much...sorry

692 Occasional Reader  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 1:57:11pm

re: #679 Wyatt Earp

My pants grow tight . . .

Now say it again, but in KirkVoice.

pants... growing tight... must... resist...

(Yeah, technically it should be in PicardVoice, but that's no fun)

693 Wyatt Earp  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 1:57:16pm

re: #689 Luigi

THE LONDON POGROM...

How does the BBC describe the horrid nazi-style hate sprees Muslims are having in London?


[Link: news.bbc.co.uk...]

Yes, 'protests for Gaza peace'. That BBC newspeak for a pogrom. As usual, according to the Beeb: "The protest started peacefully..."

Just like the Code Pinkos "for peace" spitting on the troops. Bastards.

694 Bob Dillon  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 1:57:30pm

re: #672 Sunlight

or he's jerking Charles around to try to get him to stop researching and posting on the issue

RGR - Staying focused on CNN and this issue is exactly where we need to be. No Hunda.

695 albusteve  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 1:57:35pm

re: #679 Wyatt Earp

My pants grow tight . . .

oh gaaawd

696 wrenchwench  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 1:57:35pm

re: #576 jcm

Mr. Martin,

You ask me to respect the dead.

Actually, he didn't ask for any respect for the dead. He asked us to respect the surviving brother who is trying to cash in on his little brother's death.

That's asking a lot.

697 Dustyvet  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 1:57:46pm

re: #692 Occasional Reader

Now say it again, but in KirkVoice.

pants... growing tight... must... resist...

(Yeah, technically it should be in PicardVoice, but that's no fun)

SPOCK!

698 yma o hyd  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 1:58:10pm

re: #681 MandyManners

From the river to the sea? Are they serious? Wipe out Israel?

Yes, I'm afraid they are.
They've totally taken in the Islamic view that israel must be wiped off the map - even though they always deny that anybody said this.

Heh.
Killing all Jews is in the Qur'an!

699 HoosierHoops  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 1:58:13pm

re: #682 Jimmah

I just watched a hilarious scene from 'The Sopranos' series 3. A bunch of mafia wives are sitting in a restaurant discussing their lots and they come to the conclusion that Hilary Clinton is their ultimate role model. Too fun!

Hey..I like Sopranos but for some reason..I never had any empathy for any character in the series..not one...Big pussy killed off? a really who cares..had it coming i guess.. Weird show

700 Wyatt Earp  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 1:58:19pm

re: #692 Occasional Reader

Now say it again, but in KirkVoice.

pants... growing tight... must... resist...

(Yeah, technically it should be in PicardVoice, but that's no fun)

Almost every Kirk alien love connection started like this:

Alien: "What is this love?"

Kirk: "Let. Me. Show. You."

(Cue pr0n music.)

701 LGoPs  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 1:58:23pm

re: #684 jcm

The media is not used to having people looking over their shoulders that have a means of distributing their critiques. When Uncle Walter proclaimed the Tet Offensive a defeat and Vietnam lost. Those who knew differently didn't have a way to get the word of Crankcase's lies out to the world.

Times have changed. The media will learn their asses are gonna' get fact check to death, the results distributed, or they will cease to exist.

That is a wonderful turnabout. Up until recently, the media has had the monopoly on putting people under a microscope. I want to watch them squirm under the same microscope. They'll wriggle like the bacteria that they are...

702 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 1:58:27pm

re: #671 MrPaulRevere

IF Mr. Martin shows up, we should let Charles and Killgore ask the questions. Just an observation.

A very good suggestion, but I think it'll necessarily be an open forum.

I pray that self-control will be very much in evidence in the Lizard Army.
We are going to be watched, and recorded.

703 njdhockeyfan  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 1:58:37pm

The UN has been busy today...


UN Security Council Empty Heads


The UN Security Council, sans US vote, declared that Israel pull back fire from Gaza.

The UN Security Council, sans US, is empty-headed once again. Yet they embraced one another, congratulated one another and pointed toward the horizon's silver lining.

As if the UN Security Council has a God-wish by which to swath peace across the eastern Mediterranean. Such hubris. And this is what we grassroots have to depend on for wisdom at the UN Security Council?

To wake up on another morning with such lame decisions from supposed world leaders is another confirmation that there is much lopsided with the globe.

In the face of the UN Security Council declaration, in reality Jews in Israel are to sit by while they are trashed by Hamas' killing machine. Justice, anyone? Logic, anyone?

"In Israel's first official response to the (UN Security Council) resolution, Prime Minister Ehud Olmert's office said the Hamas rockets fired at Israel Friday 'only prove that the U.N.'s decision is not practical and will not be kept in practice by the Palestinian murder organizations.'"

"'...not practical...'"

How simply the Prime Minister stated the obvious.

Therefore, on with the Israeli defense of its citizenry and geography. There is no other choice but to put the Jewish neck on the Muslim block for the Allah devotees' slice through. No other choice.

And yet it is just that choice that the UN Security Council, sans US vote, broadcast to the world as the reasonable diplomatic choice regarding the mess. To this, we welcome the dawn.

UN Says Both Israel and Hamas Could Face War Crime Charges

...The top United Nations human rights official has proposed a mission to assess violations and possible war crimes committed by both Israel and Hamas in the Gaza conflict, and called for immediate implementation of a ceasefire.

“The situation is intolerable. The ceasefire called for by the UN Security Council must be implemented immediately. The violence must stop,” High Commissioner for Human Rights Navi Pillay told a special session of the Human Rights Council in Geneva.

“The situation is intolerable. The ceasefire called for by the UN Security Council must be implemented immediately. The violence must stophe vicious cycle of provocation and retribution must be brought to an end,” she said.

704 Dr. Shalit  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 1:58:54pm

re: #648 jwb7605

I'm wondering if he has seen Galid Shalit, and knows what quality of medical treatment is being given.

Has anybody noticed that both sides think one Israeli is always worth several thousand "Palestinians"?

jwb7605 -

Obviously NOT the "Palestinian" Powers that be. Even slavery, when constitutionally recognized, devalued its subjects by 40% ("3/5ths of a man," for apportionment purposes.) Seems by the math that they consider their own as LOWER THAN SLAVES! That is all.

-S-

705 Dar ul Harb  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 1:58:54pm

re: #686 Oh no...Sand People!

They are a culture of necros. Sick. Depraved. Vile. To even fake atrocities should be beyond the pale.

I wonder though, do pretend martyrs get 72 fake virgins?

706 ciaospirit  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 1:58:58pm

Obama. makes. me. sick. Let's see what he and his uppercrust cronies are going to "give". This to air tomorrow. And doesn't "skin in the game" sound so presidential.

"George, I want to be realistic here: Not everything that we talked about during the campaign are we going to be able to do on the pace we had hoped," Obama said in brief excerpts released by ABC.

Obama also hinted at future tax increases and spending cuts.

"Everybody's going to have to give," Obama said. "Everybody's going to have to have some skin in the game."

Link

707 Occasional Reader  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 1:59:06pm

re: #689 Luigi

THE LONDON POGROM...

How does the BBC describe the horrid nazi-style hate sprees Muslims are having in London?


[Link: news.bbc.co.uk...]

Yes, 'protests for Gaza peace'. That BBC newspeak for a pogrom. As usual, according to the Beeb: "The protest started peacefully..."

Wait a minute, don't "peace protesters" usually scream things like "you all belong in ovens"?

/

708 albusteve  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 1:59:14pm

re: #684 jcm

The media is not used to having people looking over their shoulders that have a means of distributing their critiques. When Uncle Walter proclaimed the Tet Offensive a defeat and Vietnam lost. Those who knew differently didn't have a way to get the word of Crankcase's lies out to the world.

Times have changed. The media will learn their asses are gonna' get fact check to death, the results distributed, or they will cease to exist.

yes times change and this Hamas propagandists is gonna hit warp speed tomarrow if he shows...which I doubt

709 Wyatt Earp  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 1:59:42pm

re: #699 HoosierHoops

Hey..I like Sopranos but for some reason..I never had any empathy for any character in the series..not one...Big pussy killed off? a really who cares..had it coming i guess.. Weird show

I so wanted to see Carmela get whacked in the finale.

710 Jr Ewing  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 1:59:45pm

re: #675 Jr Ewing

Dueling Rallies in L.A. by Israeli Consulate (Rough Cut)

Your text to link...

Palestinian supporters chanting at the end of the youtube clip

1) Hail Adolf Hitler
2) JEWS ( not merely Israelis) to the Ovens"
3) JEWS for fossil fuel "
4) TOTAL elimination of Israel

711 Wyatt Earp  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 2:00:01pm

re: #705 Dar ul Harb

I wonder though, do pretend martyrs get 72 fake virgins?

Yeah, they get 72 sluts.

712 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 2:00:02pm

re: #684 jcm

A zillion up-dings on that!

713 debutaunt  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 2:00:11pm

re: #699 HoosierHoops

Hey..I like Sopranos but for some reason..I never had any empathy for any character in the series..not one...Big pussy killed off? a really who cares..had it coming i guess.. Weird show

I love it when Dr. Melfi uses an expression that Tony doesn't quite understand and then he uses it on someone else!

714 jcm  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 2:00:22pm

re: #696 wrenchwench

Actually, he didn't ask for any respect for the dead. He asked us to respect the surviving brother who is trying to cash in on his little brother's death.

That's asking a lot.

OUCH... that's gonna' leave a mark!

715 ciaospirit  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 2:00:56pm

re: #681 MandyManners

From the river to the sea? Are they serious? Wipe out Israel?

That was their chant in Columbus, OH. When they weren't putting little children on display.

716 Opinionated  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 2:01:04pm

I was just reading Ralph Peters at the NY Post and something just struck me as I read his total defense of Israel that I felt compelled to come here and post this.

We Jews - especially in times like this- feel very alone. And in the onslaught against us, it is always comforting that there are Gentiles like Charles and Peters and most of the good people here who are steadfastly on our side.

To all you good people: Thank you.

717 MandyManners  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 2:01:11pm

re: #689 Luigi

THE LONDON POGROM...

How does the BBC describe the horrid nazi-style hate sprees Muslims are having in London?


[Link: news.bbc.co.uk...]

Yes, 'protests for Gaza peace'. That BBC newspeak for a pogrom. As usual, according to the Beeb: "The protest started peacefully..."

Commie flags and the banners of the International Socialist Workers.

718 Wyatt Earp  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 2:01:22pm

re: #710 Jr Ewing

Palestinian supporters chanting at the end of the youtube clip

1) Hail Adolf Hitler
2) JEWS ( not merely Israelis) to the Ovens"
3) JEWS for fossil fuel "
4) TOTAL elimination of Israel

Dennis Prager had a great observation about this nonsense. he said the bright side to all of this is that there is an example of an Islamist admitting the Holocaust. Otherwise, saying "Jews to the ovens" has no meaning.

719 Luigi  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 2:01:45pm

re: #681 MandyManners

From the river to the sea? Are they serious? Wipe out Israel?

No, they are not. All of them together are not the equal of one single unit of Israeli soldiers.

I'm beginning to think that the more furious the mob, the more craven the media, the more important it is for Israel to finish the job. If it is for us to endure this barbarity half a world away, then so be it. The nastier the mob gets, the nastier I feel towards them and the more willing I am to put up with the furious hatreds.

720 Occasional Reader  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 2:01:51pm

re: #699 HoosierHoops

Hey..I like Sopranos but for some reason..I never had any empathy for any character in the series..not one...Big pussy killed off? a really who cares..had it coming i guess.. Weird show

I felt the same way, on both counts. Loved the show; wanted to see everyone go to prison in the last season.

721 MandyManners  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 2:01:58pm

re: #692 Occasional Reader

Now say it again, but in KirkVoice.

pants... growing tight... must... resist...

(Yeah, technically it should be in PicardVoice, but that's no fun)

Do Picard's pants ever get tight?

722 MJ  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 2:02:00pm

re: #651 Pietr

This from the NYT-supporters of the 'fake but accurate' Rathergate Docs-dispensers of 'Top Secret Info to Terrorists', at the expense of US security-etc, etc, etc, etc, etc...need I even say more?

This story was reported earlier, but with less details, by other media. George Bush will leave office on Jan. 20 and Iran will have the bomb in a year or so. He has talked tough and done nothing. He allowed the EU to stall this crap out for several years and even allowed the Russians to negotiate for us as well as the UN.
You may not really be old enough to remember to The question, "Who Lost China", but you'll be around when people say, rightfully, Bush and his Secretary of State allowed the Iranians to develop the bomb.

723 Dustyvet  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 2:02:07pm

re: #711 Wyatt Earp

Yeah, they get 72 sluts.

nope 3 minutes with a goat...

724 LGoPs  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 2:02:11pm

re: #716 Opinionated

I was just reading Ralph Peters at the NY Post and something just struck me as I read his total defense of Israel that I felt compelled to come here and post this.

We Jews - especially in times like this- feel very alone. And in the onslaught against us, it is always comforting that there are Gentiles like Charles and Peters and most of the good people here who are steadfastly on our side.

To all you good people: Thank you.

We stand with you...shoulder to shoulder.

725 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 2:02:37pm

re: #716 Opinionated

Wait! Your Jewish?

726 Wyatt Earp  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 2:02:52pm

re: #721 MandyManners

Do Picard's pants ever get tight?

Well, if you watched the show, every time he stood up he straightened out his uniform. Could be . . .

727 ciaospirit  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 2:03:11pm

re: #717 MandyManners

Commie flags and the banners of the International Socialist Workers.

At the Columbus event, one of the speakers was from the Revolutionary Communist Party. He's in the first video.

728 Wyatt Earp  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 2:03:13pm

re: #725 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Wait! Your Jewish?


Funny. He doesn't write Jewish.

///

729 Dar ul Harb  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 2:03:20pm

re: #715 ciaospirit

That was their chant in Columbus, OH. When they weren't putting little children on display.

Well, that's what "End The Occupation" means in Pali circles. F'real.

730 MandyManners  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 2:03:28pm

re: #698 yma o hyd

Yes, I'm afraid they are.
They've totally taken in the Islamic view that israel must be wiped off the map - even though they always deny that anybody said this.

Heh.
Killing all Jews is in the Qur'an!

The mask has completely fallen off.

731 opnion  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 2:03:29pm

re: #684 jcm

The media is not used to having people looking over their shoulders that have a means of distributing their critiques. When Uncle Walter proclaimed the Tet Offensive a defeat and Vietnam lost. Those who knew differently didn't have a way to get the word of Crankcase's lies out to the world.

Times have changed. The media will learn their asses are gonna' get fact check to death, the results distributed, or they will cease to exist.

Cronkite was considered the most trustworthy man in America.
LBJ was rputed to have saisd, "If Crokite says the war is lost, It's over" or at least words to that effect.
Cronkite came in after the enemy was driven out of Hue City.
He cocked his helmet sideways, faced the camera & either lied or was wishing out loud.
In the Battle for Hue, U.S Marines defeated & drove out superior entrenched enemy forces. It was actually a tremendous U.S military victrory.

732 Sunlight  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 2:03:34pm

re: #681 MandyManners

From the river to the sea? Are they serious? Wipe out Israel?

I tell you I'm really upset over this stuff. So the pro Israel demonstrators are probably from local Jewish organizations. And when people hear that these things are going on, why are there not thousands of people in LA, for example, standing next to the Jews and saying We Will Not Stand By While Anyone Yells For Jews To Be Put Back In The Ovens! Our immigration has allowed the Gaza supporters to be in the U.S. and then the public stands by and allows this? It is unAmerican to watch a really bad situation develop like this.

733 Wyatt Earp  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 2:03:42pm

re: #723 Dustyvet

nope 3 minutes with a goat...


Bawahahahahahahaha!

734 Occasional Reader  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 2:03:43pm

re: #719 Luigi

I'm beginning to think that the more furious the mob, the more craven the media, the more important it is for Israel to finish the job.

A *key* aspect of this operation is to make the jihadists afraid of Israel again. Absolutely necessary.

735 Dustyvet  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 2:03:47pm

re: #726 Wyatt Earp

Well, if you watched the show, every time he stood up he straightened out his uniform. Could be . . .

The cat needs another towel, the keyboard made a run for it...

736 MrPaulRevere  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 2:03:57pm

re: #702 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Precisely. At the risk of down dings we should be polite and respectful and do nothing which would bring disrepute to LGF.

737 MandyManners  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 2:04:13pm

re: #705 Dar ul Harb

I wonder though, do pretend martyrs get 72 fake virgins?

With fake orgasms?

738 notutopia  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 2:04:35pm

If this is correct, It appears that the team of
Fosse and Gilbert have left Gaza today ...
- Glad we got out alive
[Link: translate.google.com...]

739 Wyatt Earp  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 2:05:12pm

re: #735 Dustyvet

The cat needs another towel, the keyboard made a run for it...

It's true, though! Watch the show. Every time he stands up, he pulls at the bottom of his shirt. It always annoyed me.

740 Jr Ewing  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 2:05:26pm

Just cant understand how liberals would support such racists.

741 LGoPs  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 2:05:49pm

re: #735 Dustyvet

The cat needs another towel, the keyboard made a run for it...

Make sure the cat doesn't grab your mouse...
:)

742 MandyManners  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 2:05:53pm

re: #715 ciaospirit

That was their chant in Columbus, OH. When they weren't putting little children on display.

Ooh. That smarmy fucker chaps my hide.

743 Aye Pod  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 2:06:05pm

re: #699 HoosierHoops

Hey..I like Sopranos but for some reason..I never had any empathy for any character in the series..not one...Big pussy killed off? a really who cares..had it coming i guess.. Weird show

It's a truly great show imo, full of proper dark humour and intelligent writing. I think the writers and performers allow you to feel sympathy with the characters at certain points, but in the end it's healthy not to be too empathetic with what are essentially a bunch of psycho thugs, I'd say - and a plus for the show that it doesn't manipulate the viewer to that place.

744 Dar ul Harb  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 2:06:06pm

re: #721 MandyManners

Do Picard's pants ever get tight?

Dunno, but the tunic rides up all the time.

(Hence the "Picard Maneuver.")

745 Wyatt Earp  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 2:06:16pm

re: #740 Jr Ewing

Just cant understand how liberals would support such racists.

Just following Jimmy Carter's lead.

746 Occasional Reader  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 2:06:32pm

re: #721 MandyManners

Do Picard's pants ever get tight?

When he thinks about archeology, I think.

747 yma o hyd  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 2:06:44pm

re: #716 Opinionated

{Opinionated}

748 albusteve  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 2:07:06pm

re: #731 opnion

Cronkite was considered the most trustworthy man in America.
LBJ was rputed to have saisd, "If Crokite says the war is lost, It's over" or at least words to that effect.
Cronkite came in after the enemy was driven out of Hue City.
He cocked his helmet sideways, faced the camera & either lied or was wishing out loud.
In the Battle for Hue, U.S Marines defeated & drove out superior entrenched enemy forces. It was actually a tremendous U.S military victrory.

the NVA threw everything it had against the Marines at Khe Sahn...couldnt get into the wire, couldnt do shit...they got hammered there as well

749 Luigi  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 2:07:33pm

re: #734 Occasional Reader

A *key* aspect of this operation is to make the jihadists afraid of Israel again. Absolutely necessary.

I think so, too. Re-establish the deterrent that was tarnished in the Hez war.

750 Dustyvet  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 2:07:38pm

re: #746 Occasional Reader

When he thinks about archeology, I think.

Or tea...Earl Gray Hot...

751 Wyatt Earp  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 2:07:46pm

re: #746 Occasional Reader

When he thinks about archeology, I think.

Must be the stalagmites.

752 Sunlight  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 2:08:19pm

re: #702 pre-Boomer Marine brat

A very good suggestion, but I think it'll necessarily be an open forum.

I pray that self-control will be very much in evidence in the Lizard Army.
We are going to be watched, and recorded.

Hopefully, I won't be here and I'll just read it later.

753 MandyManners  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 2:08:19pm

re: #719 Luigi

No, they are not. All of them together are not the equal of one single unit of Israeli soldiers.

I'm beginning to think that the more furious the mob, the more craven the media, the more important it is for Israel to finish the job. If it is for us to endure this barbarity half a world away, then so be it. The nastier the mob gets, the nastier I feel towards them and the more willing I am to put up with the furious hatreds.

Why don't they go to Gaza to help the Jordyptians?

754 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 2:08:44pm

re: #748 albusteve

the NVA threw everything it had against the Marines at Khe Sahn...couldnt get into the wire, couldnt do shit...they got hammered there as well

Tet was an absolute catastrophe for the communists. The _only_ reason it "worked" was because of the MFMSM.

755 Dustyvet  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 2:08:46pm

re: #751 Wyatt Earp

Must be the stalagmites.

Tiger just gave his two week notice and is calling the ASPCA.

756 yma o hyd  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 2:09:11pm

re: #730 MandyManners

The mask has completely fallen off.

I hope more righteous people will recognise the dreadful face behind that mask now!

757 LGoPs  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 2:10:22pm

re: #731 opnion

Cronkite was considered the most trustworthy man in America.
LBJ was rputed to have saisd, "If Crokite says the war is lost, It's over" or at least words to that effect.
Cronkite came in after the enemy was driven out of Hue City.
He cocked his helmet sideways, faced the camera & either lied or was wishing out loud.
In the Battle for Hue, U.S Marines defeated & drove out superior entrenched enemy forces. It was actually a tremendous U.S military victrory.

Just illustrates the power, and the danger, of the media - when they're not reporting accurately. And why it must be fought everywhere it's lies are encountered.

758 Wyatt Earp  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 2:10:31pm

re: #750 Dustyvet

Or tea...Earl Gray Hot...

Erin Gray was hotter.

759 MandyManners  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 2:10:32pm

re: #732 Sunlight

I tell you I'm really upset over this stuff. So the pro Israel demonstrators are probably from local Jewish organizations. And when people hear that these things are going on, why are there not thousands of people in LA, for example, standing next to the Jews and saying We Will Not Stand By While Anyone Yells For Jews To Be Put Back In The Ovens! Our immigration has allowed the Gaza supporters to be in the U.S. and then the public stands by and allows this? It is unAmerican to watch a really bad situation develop like this.

I'd be there if I could.

760 Bob Dillon  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 2:11:13pm

re: #696 wrenchwench

Actually, he didn't ask for any respect for the dead. He asked us to respect the surviving brother who is trying to cash in on his little brother's death.

That's asking a lot.

Looks like they both made out - CNN used their work and presumably they got or will be paid for their efforts. I wonder if the good Norse Dr. Mads Gilbert was compensated or was his part professional courtesy.

The expose here could result in a "chargeback" to them.

They want to shut this down.

761 Gang of One  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 2:11:29pm

re: #740 Jr Ewing

Just cant understand how liberals would support such racists.

Because just under the surface, they're all racists.

762 albusteve  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 2:11:31pm

re: #754 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

Tet was an absolute catastrophe for the communists. The _only_ reason it "worked" was because of the MFMSM.

it was the end of the feared Viet Cong and the NVA was shot to pieces...history was once again raped and it's especially painful considering what an awsome job our guys did...tremendouse courage and sacrifice...I sat right there and watched the whole thing go down...it's criminal at the least

763 wrenchwench  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 2:11:35pm

re: #738 notutopia

If this is correct, It appears that the team of
Fosse and Gilbert have left Gaza today ...
- Glad we got out alive
[Link: translate.google.com...]


From your link:

Tromsø Medical Mads Gilbert and colleague Erik Fosse is finally out of Gaza, two days after they first tried to take him out.

- Jeg er jævlig glad vi kom ut i live. - I'm fuckin 'glad we came out alive. Med den bombingen vi har opplevd, var jeg en stund i tvil, sier Gilbert til VG Nett. With the bombing, we have experienced, I was a moment of doubt, "says Gilbert told VG Nett.

- Bombingen fortsetter der inne. - The bombing continues there. Helvetet fortsetter der inne. Helvetet continues there. Det er ikke vi som er heltene. It is not we who are heroes. Det er de som er igjen der inne, sier Gilbert og peker mot Gaza by i intervju med NRK. There are those who are left in there, "says Gilbert, pointing to Gaza City in an interview with NRK.

- Jeg skulle ønske vi kunne ta med våre 1,2 millioner palestinske venner. - I wish we could bring our 1.2 million Palestinian friends. Krigen fortsetter der inne. The war continues there. Vikeligheten der inne er så jævlig at dere skal være glade dere ikke har sett det vi har sett, sier Gilbert. Vikeligheten there are so shit that you should be happy you have not seen what we've seen, "says Gilbert.

Wierod. When I copy and paste, it gives both languages. Too bad it didn't translate the comments. I think some were not so pleased at the idea of 1.2 million Palestinians coming home with them.

764 MandyManners  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 2:11:53pm

re: #746 Occasional Reader

When he thinks about archeology, I think.

What was that archeologist's name? Vash?

765 Oh no...Sand People!  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 2:11:59pm

re: #705 Dar ul Harb

I wonder though, do pretend martyrs get 72 fake virgins?

I am sure there is a fatwah laying around somewhere that talks about it.

766 jcm  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 2:12:13pm

re: #731 opnion

Cronkite was considered the most trustworthy man in America.
LBJ was rputed to have saisd, "If Crokite says the war is lost, It's over" or at least words to that effect.
Cronkite came in after the enemy was driven out of Hue City.
He cocked his helmet sideways, faced the camera & either lied or was wishing out loud.
In the Battle for Hue, U.S Marines defeated & drove out superior entrenched enemy forces. It was actually a tremendous U.S military victrory.

Absolutely. Tet knocked the NV out of the game for four years, we should have followed up.

767 jwb7605  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 2:12:23pm

re: #716 Opinionated

I was just reading Ralph Peters at the NY Post and something just struck me as I read his total defense of Israel that I felt compelled to come here and post this.

We Jews - especially in times like this- feel very alone. And in the onslaught against us, it is always comforting that there are Gentiles like Charles and Peters and most of the good people here who are steadfastly on our side.

To all you good people: Thank you.

In preparation for (at least observing) the pending "discussion":

Exactly why am I supposed to hate Jews?

Nobody has ever given me a clear answer on that. I've asked the question frequently, and I've asked it to my Jewish friends, "gentile" friends, and atheist/agnostic friends.
The people who do hate (or at least despise) Jews usually reply with the all-encompassing "because".

768 Sharmuta  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 2:12:42pm

I'd like to ask Mr Martin more about this "safe house" full of women and children.

769 Dustyvet  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 2:12:42pm

Violent Clash Pro-Hamas V pro-Israeli near the Israeli embassy


Youtube Video
770 Pietr  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 2:13:16pm

re: #549 Guanxi88

Well played, sir, well played.

I believe that's M'am, not sir...

771 yma o hyd  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 2:13:28pm

re: #732 Sunlight

I tell you I'm really upset over this stuff. So the pro Israel demonstrators are probably from local Jewish organizations. And when people hear that these things are going on, why are there not thousands of people in LA, for example, standing next to the Jews and saying We Will Not Stand By While Anyone Yells For Jews To Be Put Back In The Ovens! Our immigration has allowed the Gaza supporters to be in the U.S. and then the public stands by and allows this? It is unAmerican to watch a really bad situation develop like this.

Not just unAmerican - uncivilised and unworthy of any country and nation.

Oh - and note well where these 'protests' occur: in those countries where people are safe, have enough food, have homes, warmth, clothes, jobs.

Has anybody seen such demonstrations from African nations?
Heck - not even the usual seethersin the usual seething countries have been seething as these protesters have done!

772 opnion  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 2:13:33pm

re: #748 albusteve

the NVA threw everything it had against the Marines at Khe Sahn...couldnt get into the wire, couldnt do shit...they got hammered there as well

U.S forces at no time in the conflict ever lost a major 'operation."
In NVA Commander General Giap's memoirs he states thet the TET Offensive in 68 was a last ditch effort. Their defeat was so total that they were prepared to sue for peace. Manipulation of public opinion by the MSM created victory for the NVA from defeat.

773 Wyatt Earp  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 2:13:35pm

re: #764 MandyManners

What was that archeologist's name? Vash?

I believe you're correct.

774 MrPaulRevere  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 2:13:54pm

re: #731 opnion

That LBJ would allow himself to be intimidated by some chump that reads the news speaks volumes about his character.

775 Salem  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 2:14:13pm

It's basically a moot issue to me. I don't support Hamas, whoever they are fighting against. Zombies, demons from hell, alien invaders, makes no difference.

776 opnion  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 2:14:47pm

re: #754 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

Tet was an absolute catastrophe for the communists. The _only_ reason it "worked" was because of the MFMSM.

Bingo, we have a winner!

777 Luigi  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 2:14:57pm

re: #753 MandyManners

Yeah. Why don't they? I believe the phrase is --- CHICKENHAWKS.

Image: chickenhawks_logo.gif

Image: chickenhawk-783724.jpg

778 Lynn B.  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 2:15:50pm

re: #756 yma o hyd

I hope more righteous people will recognise the dreadful face behind that mask now!

You know, I thought that same thing exactly ... 7 years and 5 months ago, give or take a day.

And a few did.

779 HoosierHoops  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 2:15:52pm

re: #768 Sharmuta

I'd like to ask Mr Martin more about this "safe house" full of women and children.

I want to hear the tapes of when after the IDF calls a place it will bomb..the Pali's place an all call out for women and children to rush to the target.
Thats what I want to hear in this discussion

780 MJ  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 2:15:58pm

How to loose a war: Follow the advice the Washington Post.

"HAMAS'S QUICK rejection of the U.N. Security Council's call for a cease-fire in Gaza might have surprised some in the West who have followed the mounting civilian casualties and the near-breakdown of access to food, water, and medical services with growing concern. In fact, Hamas revels in the Palestinian suffering its terrorism has triggered. .."

Fine. So what should Israel do?

Israel's best option remains a deal with Egypt under which action to stop smuggling would be intensified on the Egyptian side of the border. Israel would like international forces to join that effort; Egypt has refused, though it says it would accept more expert help and equipment. If Hamas is to accept a truce, Israel will be expected to open its border crossings with Gaza to normal commerce.

Any diplomatic settlement to the conflict, either between Israel and Egypt or including Hamas, would be unsatisfactory in some ways. Hamas would remain in power and declare itself victorious, and probably any effort to stop new arms smuggling would not be completely effective. Still, given the tremendous human costs of the war -- nearly 800 dead, of whom half may be civilians -- and the escalating political cost to Israel and its allies, a deal would be far better than another military escalation.

So, Israel should leave Hamas firing it's missiles into Israel, allow Hamas to claim victory, all because of a depraved strategy of using civilians as human shields.

Craven fools.

781 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 2:16:00pm

re: #766 jcm

Absolutely. Tet knocked the NV out of the game for four years, we should have followed up.

And the VC destroyed itself on our guns. I've read (but can't remember enough to accurately cite), NVA officers inside the South wrote evaluations -- that the VC couldn't be counted on for anything after Tet.

782 Dustyvet  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 2:16:23pm

Afghan jihadist to Obama: "You should also cause one more addition to the U.S. history by becoming the first president to accept the Truth and by adopting the true faith of Islam"


Raising right hand and extending middle finger...

783 albusteve  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 2:16:30pm

re: #772 opnion

U.S forces at no time in the conflict ever lost a major 'operation."
In NVA Commander General Giap's memoirs he states thet the TET Offensive in 68 was a last ditch effort. Their defeat was so total that they were prepared to sue for peace. Manipulation of public opinion by the MSM created victory for the NVA from defeat.

snatching victory from the jaws of defeat...understated

784 opnion  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 2:16:46pm

re: #774 MrPaulRevere

That LBJ would allow himself to be intimidated by some chump that reads the news speaks volumes about his character.


LBJ was a despicable individual. He could have fought that war to a successful conclusion , but refused. I always thought that Johnson was profiteering.

785 debutaunt  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 2:16:47pm

re: #769 Dustyvet

Where is this?

786 Oh no...Sand People!  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 2:16:53pm

re: #775 Salem

It's basically a moot issue to me. I don't support Hamas, whoever they are fighting against. Zombies, demons from hell, alien invaders, makes no difference.

Exactly. I wish Hamas would just keep focusing on themselves and leave the Jews out of it.

787 jwb7605  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 2:17:25pm

re: #775 Salem

It's basically a moot issue to me. I don't support Hamas, whoever they are fighting against. Zombies, demons from hell, alien invaders, makes no difference.

I think I've observed temporary (?) alliances between Hamas and demons from hell. Alien invaders defines absolutely anybody currently occupying any place they decide should have been theirs. Hamas, Zombies, and their "school system" : think about it.

788 yma o hyd  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 2:17:36pm

Gotta go, Lizards!
Seeya tomorrow, all being well, and looking forward to that Mr. Martin, if indeed he shows up!

May God bless and protect Israel and all who fight for her survival!

789 Sunlight  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 2:17:50pm

re: #718 Wyatt Earp

Dennis Prager had a great observation about this nonsense. he said the bright side to all of this is that there is an example of an Islamist admitting the Holocaust. Otherwise, saying "Jews to the ovens" has no meaning.

Just got a call from my daughter and husband, who are in Houston. They came across a Pali protest in downtown Houston. My daughter took a video of it. Thank goodness they weren't yelling about Jews to the ovens when they were in earshot! I told my husband about these other cities and the first thing he said was, "That's not legal is it?" The Houston rally had lots of police.

790 Dustyvet  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 2:17:50pm

re: #785 debutaunt

Where is this?

Oslo, Norway

791 SurferDoc  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 2:18:22pm

re: #679 Wyatt Earp

My pants grow tight . . .

She is much woman, Compadre...

792 MrPaulRevere  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 2:18:43pm

re: #671 MrPaulRevere

IF Mr. Martin shows up, we should let Charles and Killgore ask the questions. Just an observation.

Sorry for the omission Sharmuta, I'd love to hear your input as well

793 opnion  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 2:19:06pm

re: #782 Dustyvet

Afghan jihadist to Obama: "You should also cause one more addition to the U.S. history by becoming the first president to accept the Truth and by adopting the true faith of Islam"


Raising right hand and extending middle finger...

Obama can truthfully say, 'Been there, done that"

794 abolitionist  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 2:19:26pm

re: #555 Killgore Trout

I just discovered something else interesting...

I assume this is his voice over: The future martyrs of Gaza?

Now listen to the voice over from CNN and CH4. They're all the same right? (Someone please confirm this for me)
Then why is the couch scene at home before the hospital for CH4 and after the hospital for CNN. The narration in both cases states this as part of the story but it's the same voiceover guy. I assume this is Paul Martin voice. I'd like to hear his explanation.

At the bottom of your first link:

SEE ALSO
Paul Martin: Inside Palestinian extremist groups
10:21 mins

And at the bottom of that one:

SEE ALSO
Paul Martin: The future martyrs of Gaza?
12:41 mins

I'm satisfied that the voice is Paul Martin's.

Both pages are requesting installation of a plugin for Windows Media Player 11. Not gonna do it.

795 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 2:19:55pm

re: #703 njdhockeyfan

The UN has been busy today...

UN Security Council Empty Heads

Bad, suicidal, sick. These fools will be among the last to pay for the mistakes they are making. Would that they could be among the first to pay.

796 yochanan  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 2:19:55pm

anti semitic events in my part of chicago
rocks tossed through glass windows in one shul
death to jews and israel spray painted on the doors of my wife's shul
signs defaced with swastika at the jewish girls high school.

797 desdichado  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 2:20:41pm

Melanie Philips, one of the last voices of sanity in the UK, writes this in the Daily Mail about the "peaceful" protest today that erupted in violence in London.

There’s now a positively medieval character to this frenzied hatred, which I have watched building up now for years in Britain as a direct result of two linked phenomena - the appeasement of militant Islamism and the toleration of its intimidatory and thuggish public displays; and the wicked lies, distortions and blood libels about Israel disseminated by broadcast and print media week in, week out.

What we are witnessing in these repeated hate-fests, including the onslaught outside the Israel embassy, is the jihad erupting on the streets of London – aided and abetted by a fifth column of non-Muslim leftists and Jew-haters.

The silence of the political class - with one or two honourable exceptions - in the face of all this is unacceptable. Worse still, some politicians have endorsed the hatred and added to the incitement – such as the LibDem MEP Chris Davies who came out with a hysterical stream of foul comments about Israel.


[Link: www.dailymail.co.uk...]

798 Aye Pod  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 2:20:50pm

Laters...I gotta sit-down with da boss for a couple of hours ;)

799 Wyatt Earp  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 2:20:57pm

re: #782 Dustyvet

Afghan jihadist to Obama: "You should also cause one more addition to the U.S. history by becoming the first president to accept the Truth and by adopting the true faith of Islam"


Raising right hand and extending middle finger...

I love the fact that al-Zawahiri issued a new video blasting Obama. Yeah, I guess that HopeyChangeness was lost on al Qaeda.

800 opnion  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 2:21:08pm

re: #796 yochanan

anti semitic events in my part of chicago
rocks tossed through glass windows in one shul
death to jews and israel spray painted on the doors of my wife's shul
signs defaced with swastika at the jewish girls high school.

Bastards, North Side?

801 Luigi  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 2:21:18pm

re: #796 yochanan

anti semitic events in my part of chicago
rocks tossed through glass windows in one shul
death to jews and israel spray painted on the doors of my wife's shul
signs defaced with swastika at the jewish girls high school.

The camel's nose in under the tent.

802 Oh no...Sand People!  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 2:21:24pm

BBIAB.

803 Jr Ewing  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 2:22:07pm

re: #769 Dustyvet

Violent Clash Pro-Hamas V pro-Israeli near the Israeli embassy

www.youtube.com...] target="_blank">

In Spain the Guardia civil would totally beat the crap out of those protesters.

804 kynna  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 2:22:25pm

I'm sure the Lizards have much better questions to ask than the MSM ever will. Katie Couric is probably calling the guy right now to ask him what he reads.

805 Wyatt Earp  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 2:22:27pm

re: #803 Jr Ewing

In Spain the Guardia civil would totally beat the crap out of those protesters.

Viva Espana!

806 Promethea  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 2:23:07pm

re: #588 Sharmuta

This is all I really need to see of Mr. Martin. "Avoid allowing your bloggers to be hurtful to a person whose brother died". That's mental and emotional blackmail. We're supposed to feel sorry for this guy whose brother died, not ask questions about the report. Asking the questions is hurtful to this person. Typical. Evil is the victim of Good. We are just Big Ol' Good picking on this poor victim, aren't we Mr. Martin? Feh.

I propose a potluck sidedish buffet to go along with this future troll roast. Don't everybody bring Green Been Casserole.

Apparently this liar doesn't get that we lizards are masters of desconstructionism. We know when someone is trying to manipulate us. He would have been much better off if he had simply said that he would come back tomorrow when he could better answer our questions.

Now we know what kind of lying liar he is, and we'll be ready for his phony baloney appeal to our emotions.

What a maroon!

807 NC State of Mind  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 2:23:20pm

re: #789 Sunlight

Just got a call from my daughter and husband, who are in Houston. They came across a Pali protest in downtown Houston. My daughter took a video of it. Thank goodness they weren't yelling about Jews to the ovens when they were in earshot! I told my husband about these other cities and the first thing he said was, "That's not legal is it?" The Houston rally had lots of police.

The most sickening thing in all of this is how far American public opinion has shifted in the last decade. Hell, Fox reported today that part of downtown Chicago was almost shut down due to pali protesters in the streets.

I remember, when I was a kid, Hillary Clinton calling for "a Palestinian state, existing peacefully side by side with the Israelis." This caused a huge uproar in the Clinton administration because they had a one state policy. I remember Fareed Zakaria writing in Newseek that Israel needed to build more walls and build them immediatley. In Newsweek! What the hell happened?

808 Dustyvet  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 2:23:29pm

re: #799 Wyatt Earp

I love the fact that al-Zawahiri issued a new video blasting Obama. Yeah, I guess that HopeyChangeness was lost on al Qaeda.

So it would appear, it's hard to get NYT delivery into those caves.

809 wrenchwench  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 2:23:47pm

re: #794 abolitionist

I'm satisfied that the voice is Paul Martin's.

Both pages are requesting installation of a plugin for Windows Media Player 11. Not gonna do it.

I've been watching that first one. Mr. Martin records various militants shoot off rockets and build explosives. You get to see Mr. Martin at about 1:23. He also visits Israeli troops as they train.

810 albusteve  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 2:23:48pm

re: #781 pre-Boomer Marine brat

And the VC destroyed itself on our guns. I've read (but can't remember enough to accurately cite), NVA officers inside the South wrote evaluations -- that the VC couldn't be counted on for anything after Tet.

true but it was the last stand for them anyway...it was increasingly more difficult to maintain supplies and fight as cohesive units...'vietnamization' and hunter/killer special ops did them in pretty much by then...what was left of them were pretty much sacrificed cutting wires/disrupting comms and daring raids for diversion...their heyday was 65-67...jus sayin

811 SurferDoc  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 2:24:03pm

re: #774 MrPaulRevere

That LBJ would allow himself to be intimidated by some chump that reads the news speaks volumes about his character.

We were stupider people then and in awe of the media. In retrospect it is both sad and laughable.

812 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 2:25:19pm

re: #810 albusteve

true but it was the last stand for them anyway...it was increasingly more difficult to maintain supplies and fight as cohesive units...'vietnamization' and hunter/killer special ops did them in pretty much by then...what was left of them were pretty much sacrificed cutting wires/disrupting comms and daring raids for diversion...their heyday was 65-67...jus sayin

And your jus sayin' is correct.

813 MandyManners  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 2:26:35pm

re: #789 Sunlight

Just got a call from my daughter and husband, who are in Houston. They came across a Pali protest in downtown Houston. My daughter took a video of it. Thank goodness they weren't yelling about Jews to the ovens when they were in earshot! I told my husband about these other cities and the first thing he said was, "That's not legal is it?" The Houston rally had lots of police.

What's not legal?

814 Dustyvet  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 2:28:14pm

re: #811 SurferDoc

We were stupider people then and in awe of the media. In retrospect it is both sad and laughable.

I got a real nice letter from LBJ in 1967, first Line read "Greetings and citations from the President of the United States" Second line read "You are hereby ordered"...

815 Salem  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 2:28:26pm

re: #787 jwb7605

I think I've observed temporary (?) alliances between Hamas and demons from hell. Alien invaders defines absolutely anybody currently occupying any place they decide should have been theirs. Hamas, Zombies, and their "school system" : think about it.

Yeah, it seems anything you can say about Hamas ends in irony.

816 Dr. Shalit  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 2:28:53pm

re: #732 Sunlight

I tell you I'm really upset over this stuff. So the pro Israel demonstrators are probably from local Jewish organizations. And when people hear that these things are going on, why are there not thousands of people in LA, for example, standing next to the Jews and saying We Will Not Stand By While Anyone Yells For Jews To Be Put Back In The Ovens! Our immigration has allowed the Gaza supporters to be in the U.S. and then the public stands by and allows this? It is unAmerican to watch a really bad situation develop like this.

Sunlight -

Read a little history. You might feel better. The KKK marched en-mass in Washington DC in the 1920's, the "Bund" held big rallies including one in New York at Madison Square Garden in the 1930's by which time some big Jewish guys - and YES some were "Mobsters" - exercised a "Heckler's Veto" along with lead pipe shampoos and concrete facials to the Bundists, and were duly arrested for having done so. The US, it seems, always does the right thing, eventually. The question then is time - as in HOW LONG.

-S-

817 jwb7605  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 2:29:35pm

re: #811 SurferDoc

We were stupider people then and in awe of the media. In retrospect it is both sad and laughable.

I'm going to have to disagree with some of that.
In 1972, I watched some TV program that had this Navy lieutenant talking about "cutting off ears" and stuff, and I just thought "who is that idiot?" and pretty much blew the issue off. My dad was watching at the time and made some comment that WWII coverage, especially the popular TV series, weren't accurate after 30 years, either.

We both considered it "sad and laughable", but we weren't stupid.

... then again, reconsidering ...

818 notutopia  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 2:30:04pm

re: #738 notutopia

If this is correct, It appears that the team of
Fosse and Gilbert have left Gaza today ...
- Glad we got out alive
[Link: translate.google.com...]


Glad we got out alive

Gilbert og Fosse ute av Gaza. Gilbert Fosse and out of Gaza.
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Tromsølege Mads Gilbert og kollega Erik Fosse er omsider ute av Gaza, to dager etter at de først forsøkte å ta seg ut. Tromsø Medical Mads Gilbert and colleague Erik Fosse is finally out of Gaza, two days after they first tried to take him out.

- Jeg er jævlig glad vi kom ut i live. - I'm fuckin 'glad we came out alive. Med den bombingen vi har opplevd, var jeg en stund i tvil, sier Gilbert til VG Nett. With the bombing, we have experienced, I was a moment of doubt, "says Gilbert told VG Nett.

- Bombingen fortsetter der inne. - The bombing continues there. Helvetet fortsetter der inne. Helvetet continues there. Det er ikke vi som er heltene. It is not we who are heroes. Det er de som er igjen der inne, sier Gilbert og peker mot Gaza by i intervju med NRK. There are those who are left in there, "says Gilbert, pointing to Gaza City in an interview with NRK.

- Jeg skulle ønske vi kunne ta med våre 1,2 millioner palestinske venner. - I wish we could bring our 1.2 million Palestinian friends. Krigen fortsetter der inne. The war continues there. Vikeligheten der inne er så jævlig at dere skal være glade dere ikke har sett det vi har sett, sier Gilbert. Vikeligheten there are so shit that you should be happy you have not seen what we've seen, "says Gilbert.

819 Luigi  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 2:30:32pm

The American media has in recent years simply turned a blind eye to Muslim antisemitism. They will do so again this time, couching any reports as "protests" against Israel and not what it really is -- Islamic religious hatred of Jews.

In some ways our American media are far more blind to this then even the Europeans. They simply do not want to see antisemitism among their designated victim class because it creates a calculus that upends the entire narrative against the Iraq war and against Bush. If many Muslims express a savage race and religious hatred towards Jews then just maybe it lends credence to the mission of our military in civilizing Iraq.

820 njdhockeyfan  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 2:30:51pm

'Shock' and 'distress' at cardinal's likening of Gaza to death camp


Israel said Saturday it was shocked and distressed by Cardinal Renato Martino's likening of Gaza under Israel's military offensive to a concentration camp.

A spokesman for Israel's Foreign Ministry said the cardinal, whose remarks appeared in an interview Wednesday, adopted the kind of language that Hamas and other Islamic militant groups have used to demonize Israel and equate it with Nazi Germany.

"It was shocking to hear the same kind of terminology from such a high-ranking member of the church," Israeli spokesman Yigal Palmor said Saturday.

"Using this excessive language is not doing justice and is not bringing peace any nearer and he should know better," Palmor said. "This kind of speech is deeply distressing."

821 reine.de.tout  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 2:31:13pm

re: #555 Killgore Trout

I just discovered something else interesting...

I assume this is his voice over: The future martyrs of Gaza?

Now listen to the voice over from CNN and CH4. They're all the same right? (Someone please confirm this for me)
Then why is the couch scene at home before the hospital for CH4 and after the hospital for CNN. The narration in both cases states this as part of the story but it's the same voiceover guy. I assume this is Paul Martin voice. I'd like to hear his explanation.

I knew CNN and the UK versions of the story were different. But what you are saying, then, is not only do the CNN and UK versions differ, it's the same person doing the narration and telling the two different stories?

822 yochanan  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 2:31:16pm

[Link: www.suntimes.com...]

more info on shul attacks in chicago

823 Ojoe  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 2:31:24pm

re: #813 MandyManners

Inciting to violence is not legal. Hold on a min. & I'll get you the reference.

824 RaiderDan  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 2:32:18pm

On the topic of this latest fraud by CNN. They have apparently learned NOTHING about RatherGate and only dug themselves deeper in trying to defend this obvious fraud that they broadcast.

They truly have doubled down on stupid.

I can guarantee you that in CNN's Standards and Practices handbook (and like CBS News they have one) there probably is a line in there which says "CNN will not broadcast any scene which appears staged, reproduced or reenacted."

So, the next step for LGF is finding that CNN handbook on standards and practices.

Secondly. Its time for Surgeon General-nominee Dr. Sanjay Gupta and to answer for this obvious fraud.

Now I doubt Dr. Gupta had anything to do with this, but President-elect Obama chose Dr. Gupta to be the nation's surgeon general for the most part based on the reputation of Dr. Gupta's work at CNN and CNN's heretofore previously unblemished reputation for broadcasting factual news, especially on the topic of public health.

Dr. Gupta should answer this question during his Senate confirmation:

"Dr. Gupta, President-elect Barack Obama has submitted your nomination the United States Senate as Surgeon General of the United States. Your credentials for such a position are primarily based upon your sterling work as Chief Medical Correspondent for the Cable News Network, and the news credibility of your network around the globe.

Now, your network has broadcast video which appears to show an obvious staged pantomine of cardiopulmonary resuscitation, or CPR as part of a story involving the alleged death of a 12 year old child in the Gaza strip. Your network is standing by this video as authentic and not staged, however it felt compelled to REMOVE that particular segment as part of the video after bloggers and others began questioning it.

In your opinion, seeing today this full segment, and as a Doctor, neurosurgeon, and as Chief Medical Correspondent for CNN, is this the proper way to perform CPR?"

"If it is not, does it appear faked? Can you tell us today as CNN's Chief Medical Correspondent WHY it withdrawn, without a correction or explanation?"

"If you believe that this is a staged event, why did it appear on your network? Can you tell us today whether you would stand behind this piece today as a journalist as being accurate?"

Can you also understand the embarrassment we would have as Senators in confirming you as Surgeon General if it later came out that this particular piece of video YOUR network showed was determined to be faked and you told us as a doctor and a journalist it was accurate?"

If CNN doesn't retract this video, Dr. Gupta should not be confirmed as Surgeon General, as he is willing to stand by an obvious fraud by his employer. CNN may unwittingly be pulling down Dr. Gupta as Surgeon General nominee, and contributing to yet another black eye for President elect Barack Obama.

825 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 2:32:24pm

re: #796 yochanan

anti semitic events in my part of chicago
rocks tossed through glass windows in one shul
death to jews and israel spray painted on the doors of my wife's shul
signs defaced with swastika at the jewish girls high school.

And now, for the first time in my life, I am truly ashamed of the city of my birth. Chicago disgraces itself if those murderous scum are not caught and jailed. Yes, I said "murderous". They haven't killed anyone here yet, but it only a matter of time unless they are stopped.

826 MandyManners  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 2:32:42pm

re: #820 njdhockeyfan

'Shock' and 'distress' at cardinal's likening of Gaza to death camp

The pope still hasn't spoken against that?

827 MandyManners  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 2:33:06pm

re: #823 Ojoe

Inciting to violence is not legal. Hold on a min. & I'll get you the reference.

I'm aware of that.

828 albusteve  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 2:33:10pm

re: #821 reine.de.tout

I knew CNN and the UK versions of the story were different. But what you are saying, then, is not only do the CNN and UK versions differ, it's the same person doing the narration and telling the two different stories?

buttinski...right...this guys got some explaining to do...KT has picked this thing apart dow to the last second/minutes

829 Sharmuta  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 2:33:10pm

Honestly- a "safe house" in gaza full of women and children?

The thought sickens me as much as the using of this poor child for propaganda does.

830 Rancher  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 2:33:10pm

Given the following facts as I see them;

If the missile was fired from a drone the Israelis would have known about it.

The Israelis usually own up to actions conducted by the IDF, for instance the attack on the UN school. They either give a reason for the attack or admit it was a mistake.

We know that Hamas targets innocent victims, or rather that they see no Israeli of any age as a victim. Attacking falafel stands, buses, shopping malls, cafes, markets, I could go on forever, proves this. They then set off secondary explosions to target first responders. There is no credible evidence that Israel has ever targeted innocent victims, rather there are mountains of evidence that show they go out of their way, to the point of endangering their own soldiers, to prevent this.

Hamas has shown that it will put its own civilians at risk regardless of age, the firing of mortars from an occupied school is proof of that. The exploitation of the victims shows us why this is done.

Raafat Hamdouna, administrative director at Shifa Hospital in Gaza City, said Friday that "Mahmoud Khalil Mashharawi, a 12-year-old, was brought to the hospital, and he was breathing, but he was hit in the head and all over his body by shrapnel.


Where is the evidence of this in the video?

Finally, tapping fingers on someone's chest has no medicinal benefits whatsoever.

Given all that, why would I want to engage, or expect to engage, in any intelligent discussion with Mr. Martin?

831 njdhockeyfan  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 2:33:33pm

re: #816 Dr. Shalit

Sunlight -

The US, it seems, always does the right thing, eventually. The question then is time - as in HOW LONG.

-S-

Unfortunately I feel it may be at least 4 years.

832 Steve  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 2:33:35pm

folderol,
folderre
foldera ha ha ha ha ha ha

Song in there some where

833 Dr. Shalit  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 2:33:42pm

re: #794 abolitionist

I'm satisfied that the voice is Paul Martin's.

Both pages are requesting installation of a plugin for Windows Media Player 11. Not gonna do it.

abolitionist -

If you want to listen, you can get the plug-in from Mozilla directly, assuming you are running Firefox.

-S-

834 opnion  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 2:34:14pm

re: #823 Ojoe

Inciting to violence is not legal. Hold on a min. & I'll get you the reference.


Right & there is the concept of 'Fighting Words" in the law;.

835 albusteve  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 2:34:18pm

re: #828 albusteve

buttinski...right...this guys got some explaining to do...KT has picked this thing apart dow to the last second/minutes

sorry...that is if it's the same guy talking...I'll butt out now

836 SurferDoc  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 2:34:33pm

re: #817 jwb7605

I'm going to have to disagree with some of that.
In 1972, I watched some TV program that had this Navy lieutenant talking about "cutting off ears" and stuff, and I just thought "who is that idiot?" and pretty much blew the issue off. My dad was watching at the time and made some comment that WWII coverage, especially the popular TV series, weren't accurate after 30 years, either.

We both considered it "sad and laughable", but we weren't stupid.

... then again, reconsidering ...

Well, I'll concede that I was really talking about myself and the people I knew then. (But I did know that French Kerry was a lying, phony bastard even then.) We thought the news readers like Cronkite were honest patriotic Americans.

837 Steve  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 2:34:47pm

re: #831 njdhockeyfan

Unfortunately I feel it may be at least 4 years.

or, G-d forbid, longer.

838 MandyManners  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 2:34:47pm

re: #825 Dark_Falcon

And now, for the first time in my life, I am truly ashamed of the city of my birth. Chicago disgraces itself if those murderous scum are not caught and jailed. Yes, I said "murderous". They haven't killed anyone here yet, but it only a matter of time unless they are stopped.

Some Sudden Jihadi Syndrome?

839 Ojoe  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 2:35:13pm

re: #813 MandyManners

Here's the law:

TITLE 18--CRIMES AND CRIMINAL PROCEDURE

PART I--CRIMES

CHAPTER 19--CONSPIRACY

Sec. 373. Solicitation to commit a crime of violence

(a) Whoever, with intent that another person engage in conduct
constituting a felony that has as an element the use, attempted use, or
threatened use of physical force against property or against the person
of another in violation of the laws of the United States, and under
circumstances strongly corroborative of that intent, solicits, commands,
induces, or otherwise endeavors to persuade such other person to engage
in such conduct, shall be imprisoned not more than one-half the maximum
term of imprisonment or (notwithstanding section 3571) fined not more
than one-half of the maximum fine prescribed for the punishment of the
crime solicited, or both; or if the crime solicited is punishable by
life imprisonment or death, shall be imprisoned for not more than twenty
years.

840 buzzdroid  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 2:35:16pm

re: #644 Lynn B.

ok.
you win.

the Borg = Islam.

wow - WHAT AN ARTICLE!

841 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 2:35:49pm

re: #814 Dustyvet

I got a real nice letter from LBJ in 1967, first Line read "Greetings and citations from the President of the United States" Second line read "You are hereby ordered"...

Heh!

I was back in college. There was an ex-in country Marine in the same dorm. (I was ex-carrier, Tonkin Gulf.)

Wide-eyed kids would ask us what they "should do". We told them, enlist. That way, they'd have a shot at getting a school, and at picking a duty station (or region). I told kids to go in the airdale Navy and request a squadron on the West Coast. It would keep them out of Nam itself.

The wide-eyed kids just swallowed hard, shook their heads, and wandered off.

/heh ... with extreme respect, dusty ... but heh

842 ciaospirit  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 2:35:54pm

Thanks for the heads up.

A top Hamas leader said the Gaza war has killed the last chance for settlement and negotiations with Israel.

link

843 [deleted]  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 2:36:26pm
844 Opinionated  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 2:37:36pm

re: #725 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Wait! Your Jewish?

Honcho Jewish!

845 baconeatingkaffir  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 2:37:57pm

The media caters to the young and mentally frail. Nobody thinks for themselves anymore or does much reading or researching. I'm amazed (and shocked) at my students when they fall for all the bullshit that the media puts out. From "George Bush is a warmonger who wants tobe king" to "Black people and minorities are oppressed by White people in America" and most recently "Jews are aggressive warmongers who get money from coca cola". WTF?! Its bad enough to see this shit on tv but to hear it spewed back to you makes you ill. Then again, these are the same kids that see "50 Cent" and "J-LO" as American cultural icons. Kind of makes you wonder...
I mentioned in an earlier thread that I counted 4 of my students absent and gave them 0 for the quiz I was giving on Frida because they left my class to attend a palestinian demo. They couldn't give me a logical excuse why they needed to go and couldnt tell me why Israel was "making a war" with Palestine.
I have had enough of the covert anti semitism and pro lsiamism that the media puts out. I'm just glad those bastards werent with us during the first gulf war to interview some of the Iraqi Army Pows who were perfetly happy tobe captured by coalition forces. It wouldn't have made them happy to hear that.

846 Opinionated  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 2:38:01pm

re: #747 yma o hyd

:-)

847 jaunte  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 2:38:16pm

re: #818 notutopia

So much for Gilbert and Fosse's concern for the medical needs of those wounded in Gaza. I guess there is only so much work an 'activist' doctor is willing to do before the media tour must begin.

848 jwb7605  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 2:39:27pm

re: #841 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Heh!

I was back in college. There was an ex-in country Marine in the same dorm. (I was ex-carrier, Tonkin Gulf.)

Wide-eyed kids would ask us what they "should do". We told them, enlist. That way, they'd have a shot at getting a school, and at picking a duty station (or region). I told kids to go in the airdale Navy and request a squadron on the West Coast. It would keep them out of Nam itself.

The wide-eyed kids just swallowed hard, shook their heads, and wandered off.

/heh ... with extreme respect, dusty ... but heh

Kinda how I got to be rich and famous.
I got exactly the same talk from a buddy on leave from the Forrestal.

I will tell you honestly that absolutely every word he said was true, and given the set of options I had, I would do exactly the same thing again.

849 ciaospirit  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 2:39:46pm

re: #845 baconeatingkaffir

The media caters to the young and mentally frail.

So does Obama and his "team."

850 Bob Dillon  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 2:40:11pm

re: #841 pre-Boomer Marine brat

(I was ex-carrier, Tonkin Gulf.)

Which one?

851 albusteve  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 2:40:18pm

re: #845 baconeatingkaffir

The media caters to the young and mentally frail. Nobody thinks for themselves anymore or does much reading or researching. I'm amazed (and shocked) at my students when they fall for all the bullshit that the media puts out. From "George Bush is a warmonger who wants tobe king" to "Black people and minorities are oppressed by White people in America" and most recently "Jews are aggressive warmongers who get money from coca cola". WTF?! Its bad enough to see this shit on tv but to hear it spewed back to you makes you ill. Then again, these are the same kids that see "50 Cent" and "J-LO" as American cultural icons. Kind of makes you wonder...
I mentioned in an earlier thread that I counted 4 of my students absent and gave them 0 for the quiz I was giving on Frida because they left my class to attend a palestinian demo. They couldn't give me a logical excuse why they needed to go and couldnt tell me why Israel was "making a war" with Palestine.
I have had enough of the covert anti semitism and pro lsiamism that the media puts out. I'm just glad those bastards werent with us during the first gulf war to interview some of the Iraqi Army Pows who were perfetly happy tobe captured by coalition forces. It wouldn't have made them happy to hear that.

do you have a second job for back up?...jus askin

852 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 2:40:54pm

re: #838 MandyManners

Some Sudden Jihadi Syndrome?

I fear so. Each time they get away with vandalism and attacking protesters with whom they disagree, it feeds the Islamists appetite for more violence. You have to nip these things in bud; as Rudy Guilani demonstated, you cannot allow broken windows if you want peace and low crime.

853 Luigi  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 2:41:16pm

re: #796 yochanan

He says "death to jews and israel" are spray painted on the doors of a shul. If that is true then the Chicago Suntimes article is characteristically watering down and soft-pedaling Muslim antisemitism...

[Link: www.suntimes.com...]

Two North Side synagogues and one in Lincolnwood were vandalized early Saturday, including one that had "Death to Israel" spray-painted on a wall, police said.

No mention of "death to Jews". This would be typical of the media lately. As I mentioned in my #819 the media simply will not look at antisemitism coming from Muslims. I think it upsets their liberal political calculus. If they see it they have to think things they are not allowed to think. Like just who's a victim, and is there really justification for the Iraq war, and are Americans really worse than anyone else on the planet?

854 MandyManners  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 2:41:27pm

re: #839 Ojoe

Some ACLU types could argue that no one is telling anyone to actually put Jews in the ovens, that it's merely symbolic speech.

855 Steve  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 2:41:52pm

re: #814 Dustyvet

I got a real nice letter from LBJ in 1967, first Line read "Greetings and citations from the President of the United States" Second line read "You are hereby ordered"...

I remember getting my draft number of 13 in 1971. Enlisted in the AirForce for Photo school. They decided to make me a chaplin's assistant but instead gave me a 4F for my allergies and asthma. On the last day of basic. Lackland sure is purty in december.

856 NC State of Mind  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 2:42:59pm

re: #845 baconeatingkaffir

The media caters to the young and mentally frail.

Unfortunatley, the mentally frail are becoming a larger proportion of the populace, thanks to the work that the media do. It's a vicious cycle.

857 jwb7605  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 2:43:03pm

re: #855 Steve

I remember getting my draft number of 13 in 1971. Enlisted in the AirForce for Photo school. They decided to make me a chaplin's assistant but instead gave me a 4F for my allergies and asthma. On the last day of basic. Lackland sure is purty in december.

Was that a "lottery" number?

858 buzzdroid  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 2:43:13pm

re: #819 Luigi

The American media has in recent years simply turned a blind eye to Muslim antisemitism. They will do so again this time, couching any reports as "protests" against Israel and not what it really is -- Islamic religious hatred of Jews.

In some ways our American media are far more blind to this then even the Europeans. They simply do not want to see antisemitism among their designated victim class because it creates a calculus that upends the entire narrative against the Iraq war and against Bush. If many Muslims express a savage race and religious hatred towards Jews then just maybe it lends credence to the mission of our military in civilizing Iraq.

you got it in one - thats the whole point of the mission in Iraq. it wasnt oil. it wasnt WMDS.. it was way simpler - to turn Iraq into an outpost of Western civilisation.

and once iraq becomes prosperous, surrounding arab populations might actually start to question the mullahs and their "islam"...

859 Outrider  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 2:43:18pm

re: #843 Iron Fist

Of course, the NVA still had its biggest guns in the fight online and working overtime. Between them it turned out to be enough to win the War. I'm speaking about the MSM and Democrats in Congress. I don't know when the broadly anti-Americanism concortium formed based on,among other things, the most most prominently anti-American propaganda ever fielded by an enemy.

Of course that was tresonous. Who was there that was going to charge them with it? How much fauxtography, distortions, and outright lies were told to the American as though it was coming frrom gospel writ. As an example, Walter Cronkite manage to trun the Tet debacle into a herioc victory by the NVA/VC. That's some more of the "fake but serving the right side" lyinging that the Democrats and the lapdog media have been doing on almost every issue, nonstop, since 1969.

The Media, and the Democrats, are the enemy. It's been that way esentially, all my life. I'm not looking to the Free-Love Hippy Comunists are cool Obomanation that Hussein is getting to release on the world. If you thought Leni Rieffenstahl was good, just wait untill you see the song and dance the Obama-worshipping mass medai is going to bring down, now. It's all bar, and it's the fault of George Bush and the "evil" Jews. Abau Grabass was worse than the tender mercies of Vlad Tepes.

Some may think with the VN Command structure coming out in the 80s stating those same facts; that we had in fact almost eradicated the VC, had won Tet and the war had been won by the VN on the propaganda home front, the MSM might have learned a lesson.

Unfortunately, they learned the wrong lesson; that of being able to manipulate the American populace into believing whatever the powers that be wanted the populace to believing. The media has continued through every conflict since and culminated with the demonization of GW Bush, condemnation of ANY efforts in the MidEast and the election of their choice of presidential candidates.

860 [deleted]  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 2:43:23pm
861 MandyManners  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 2:43:44pm

re: #852 Dark_Falcon

I fear so. Each time they get away with vandalism and attacking protesters with whom they disagree, it feeds the Islamists appetite for more violence. You have to nip these things in bud; as Rudy Guilani demonstated, you cannot allow broken windows if you want peace and low crime.

Why the police haven't arrested those who have attacked others is beyond me.

862 albusteve  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 2:43:59pm

re: #857 jwb7605

Was that a "lottery" number?


a draft number drawn out of a fishbowl...a lottery...the lowest numbers went

863 Rancher  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 2:44:22pm

Kristallnacht in Chicago?

864 Dustyvet  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 2:45:15pm

re: #863 Rancher

Kristallnacht in Chicago?

Nothing that happens in Chicago would surprise me...

865 albusteve  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 2:45:25pm

re: #863 Rancher

Kristallnacht in Chicago?

my favorite big city...makes me sorta ill

866 Steve  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 2:45:26pm

re: #857 jwb7605

Yes it was. Called a 'draft number' if memory serves me correctly. 13 was low enough that you we guaranteed to get drafted. So I enlisted 12/2/1971.

867 Sunlight  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 2:45:33pm

re: #831 njdhockeyfan

Unfortunately I feel it may be at least 4 years.

I'm wondering if someone is smelling an opportunity that has been unavailable in the past and is opening up here. They must think it will fly and they'll get away with it.

868 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 2:45:57pm

re: #848 jwb7605

Kinda how I got to be rich and famous.
I got exactly the same talk from a buddy on leave from the Forrestal.

I will tell you honestly that absolutely every word he said was true, and given the set of options I had, I would do exactly the same thing again.

Heh (again)!

Yeah, I was telling my side of the story. I'm sure those kids who asked had their own circumstances to deal with. And voluntarily "giving up four years of one's life" is a tough thing to do when all your prior focus has been on college, then high-paying job, et cetera.

869 opnion  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 2:46:06pm

re: #852 Dark_Falcon

I fear so. Each time they get away with vandalism and attacking protesters with whom they disagree, it feeds the Islamists appetite for more violence. You have to nip these things in bud; as Rudy Guilani demonstated, you cannot allow broken windows if you want peace and low crime.


Whe Muslim hate speech & misconduct is tolerated at a level that would not be granted to another group, they get a clear message. It plays into the Mosque narrative that they are superior & destined to triumph & makes us look weak. That weakness is then viewed as an appropriate response to the superiority of Islam.

870 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 2:47:03pm

re: #850 Bobibutu

(I was ex-carrier, Tonkin Gulf.)

Which one?

Hancock, tailhook outfit, fall 63 to summer 66.

871 jwb7605  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 2:47:17pm

re: #856 NC State of Mind

Unfortunatley, the mentally frail are becoming a larger proportion of the populace, thanks to the work that the media do. It's a vicious cycle.

I think it was Iron Fist that posted (an otherwise thought provoking) set of remarks that began with "half the American people are of average intelligence".

I thought that was hilarious, no offense to Iron Fist.

I later realized that that reference point center keeps moving toward stupid.

872 Sunlight  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 2:47:21pm

re: #839 Ojoe

Thank you! I'm going to save that.

873 yochanan  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 2:48:12pm

we are kicking the hamassholes butt
[Link: www.ynetnews.com...]

that is why they are crying for a ceasefire.

874 Luigi  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 2:48:31pm

Sudden Jihad Syndrome?

NY interstate closed after man shoots at trooper
[Link: www.cnn.com...]

(CNN) -- Police closed a section of Interstate 90 in eastern New York on Saturday after a gunman opened fire at a state trooper after a traffic stop, authorities said.


No names, of course. Just this...

Video footage shows the gunman standing outside what appears to be a taxi holding up a rifle as numerous police cars respond to the scene and other cars are stopped some distance away.


Gee. A taxi. Who could that be?

875 Dustyvet  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 2:48:41pm

The next US president will not break the policy of isolating Hamas, an Obama spokesperson told The Jerusalem Post.


[Link: www.jpost.com...]

876 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 2:48:49pm

Also, check out these two articles from the NYT:

The first concerns the Islamist rage in Egypt. I saw it as I was leaving my building today. It caught my eye because, despite its wrongheadedness, it was a Page one story that actually showed that Imams were saying that Jew were "a people whom God has become angry at and whom he cursed so he made monkeys and pigs out of them." Normally I might actually praise the NYT for running this but then a saw this second piece online. It's about Gaza's smuggling tunnels and it plays up their "commecial" and "lifeline" angles. With that, the NYT went back to being a fishwrap in my eyes.

877 Ojoe  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 2:48:59pm

re: #854 MandyManners

Words find their actors.

878 yochanan  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 2:49:13pm

re: #853 Luigi

it is my wife's shul and that is what she said was written on it i don't belive the MSM i do believe my wife.

879 NC State of Mind  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 2:49:46pm

re: #871 jwb7605


I later realized that that reference point center keeps moving toward stupid.

I wonder if the fact that the country is continually moving left is related to our increasing ignorance? Naa.

/

880 njdhockeyfan  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 2:49:55pm

Here's a worldwide moonbat report from the AP...

Thousands in Europe, Lebanon protest Gaza violence

BERLIN (AP) — Tens of thousands of people demonstrated in cities across Europe and in Lebanon Saturday, shouting protests against the Israeli offensive in Gaza.

Protesters burned Israeli flags in Sweden and threw shoes at the U.S. consulate in Edinburgh, Scotland. In central London, three officers were hurt when demonstrators hurled shoes and placards at police outside the Israeli Embassy. One officer was knocked unconscious. Some 180 people were arrested in Paris.

But in Innsbruck, Austria, volunteer security personnel arranged by the Islamic organizers of a demonstration moved quickly to surround and protect an elderly man after he suddenly unrolled an Israeli flag in the middle of the protest.

Israel says its two-week-old offensive is intended to stop Palestinian Hamas rocket attacks on southern Israel. Palestinian medical officials say more than 800 people have been killed.

A crowd of 12,000 gathered in London's Hyde Park carrying placards marked "Gaza: Stop the massacre" and chanting "free, free Palestine."

Police said 15 people were arrested after a group of around 2,000 demonstrators clashed with police guarding the Israeli embassy. Two were detained on suspicion of assaulting police officers.

Scores of marches were held across France, the biggest of them in the capital, where police estimated 30,000 people took part. Paris police scuffled with a small group toward the end. Police said they made 180 arrests and a dozen police officers were injured.

Police estimated that 30,000 people protested in the northern Spanish city of Barcelona, some carrying bloodstained blankets and mock dead bodies of children.

The demonstration had been called by around 300 Catalan groups who have asked the Spanish government to back cease-fire initiatives and to stop all trade, especially arms, with Israel.

In Italy, several thousand people carrying Palestinian flags marched in Milan, Florence and Venice to protest the Israeli offensive. In Milan, protesters burned a white sheet with the Star of David on it, and some participants carried posters with the Israeli flag and a swastika on them, the ANSA news agency reported.

In Germany, some 8,500 people rallied in Berlin's Alexanderplatz and then marched to the city's main train station. Hundreds of police were deployed along the route, and several Hamas flags were confiscated from the protesters. No serious incidents were reported, however, police said.

In the western German city of Duisburg, 10,000 people marched.

881 Luigi  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 2:50:24pm

re: #878 yochanan

it is my wife's shul and that is what she said was written on it i don't belive the MSM i do believe my wife.

I'm with you. The MSM cannot allow themselves to see it.

882 jwb7605  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 2:51:03pm

re: #868 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Heh (again)!

Yeah, I was telling my side of the story. I'm sure those kids who asked had their own circumstances to deal with. And voluntarily "giving up four years of one's life" is a tough thing to do when all your prior focus has been on college, then high-paying job, et cetera.

I'd had one year of college, and found out Physics/Chemistry double major wasn't the brightest thing I could have chosen.

I was making (in 1967!) over fourteen bucks an hour ... at a meat packing plant on the "cutting line".

Options seemed simple at the time.

883 ArmyWife  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 2:51:07pm

Hiya Honcos. I see CNN is still hanging on tightly to their faked video. It's really silly, you know? We are all aware these guys are full of fakery, all CNN had to do was post the retraction and say the content was "questionable" and they have chosen to air on the side of caution! That way they don't have to admit in public they are stupid.

884 baconeatingkaffir  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 2:51:24pm

re: #868 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Heh (again)!

Yeah, I was telling my side of the story. I'm sure those kids who asked had their own circumstances to deal with. And voluntarily "giving up four years of one's life" is a tough thing to do when all your prior focus has been on college, then high-paying job, et cetera.

Tell me about it! My stepdaughter who has a Green card speaks English,German, and Turkish and Mandarin Chinese. She graduates this May with a BA in Mandarin language and lit. I was trying to talk her into the military to get her citizenship out of the way and pay for the MBA she's dying to have and things I should pay for. She told me she "wouldn't make enough money"! Scary this new generation. Ooh to be a 19 year old airman again in Germany on a weekendafter payday!

885 Killgore Trout  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 2:51:25pm

re: #821 reine.de.tout

Yes, In the Ch4 piece the scene on the couch is shown before they go to the Hospital. The narration says something like, "Young Mahmoud may already be dead and his family cradles him at home before going to the hospital." Later it states that they leave the hospital and go directly to the graveyard.
The CNN piece shows the couch scene after the hospital and says, "After the heroic efforts of the doctors they take him home." Both versions of the story cannot be true and the are both narrated bythe same person, presumably Paul Martin himself.

886 Bob Dillon  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 2:51:41pm

re: #870 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Hancock, tailhook outfit, fall 63 to summer 66.

You guys were leaving about the time I got there - May 66. Over the next 4 years I visited most of the Carriers. Would fly up from Saigon.

887 njdhockeyfan  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 2:51:50pm

re: #874 Luigi

Sudden Jihad Syndrome?

NY interstate closed after man shoots at trooper
[Link: www.cnn.com...]


Gee. A taxi. Who could that be?

Jim Ignatowski?

888 Killian Bundy  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 2:51:56pm

U.S. Rejected Aid for Israeli Raid on Iranian Nuclear Site

President Bush deflected a secret request by Israel last year for specialized bunker-busting bombs it wanted for an attack on Iran’s main nuclear complex and told the Israelis that he had authorized new covert action intended to sabotage Iran’s suspected effort to develop nuclear weapons, according to senior American and foreign officials.

/WELL THANK GOD SOMEONE HAD THE GUTS TO PUBLISH THAT TOP SECRET INFORMATION!

889 ArmyWife  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 2:52:12pm

re: #874 Luigi

John Smith of Hoboken?

890 rightwinger3  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 2:52:14pm

re: #555 Killgore Trout

I just discovered something else interesting...

I assume this is his voice over: The future martyrs of Gaza?

Now listen to the voice over from CNN and CH4. They're all the same right? (Someone please confirm this for me)
Then why is the couch scene at home before the hospital for CH4 and after the hospital for CNN. The narration in both cases states this as part of the story but it's the same voiceover guy. I assume this is Paul Martin voice. I'd like to hear his explanation.

Kilgore, I don't know that the voices are the same. One sounds English another sounds Australian maybe. But the stories also mention "today" which I assume means Jan 9th when they were shown. The NBC clip I'm almost certain was Jan 4th. I think that's significant.

891 Guanxi88  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 2:52:32pm

re: #885 Killgore Trout

Yes, In the Ch4 piece the scene on the couch is shown before they go to the Hospital. The narration says something like, "Young Mahmoud may already be dead and his family cradles him at home before going to the hospital." Later it states that they leave the hospital and go directly to the graveyard.
The CNN piece shows the couch scene after the hospital and says, "After the heroic efforts of the doctors they take him home." Both versions of the story cannot be true and the are both narrated bythe same person, presumably Paul Martin himself.

No, it's the theatre edition versus the director's cut.

892 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 2:53:00pm

re: #873 yochanan

we are kicking the hamassholes butt
[Link: www.ynetnews.com...]

that is why they are crying for a ceasefire.

I don't doubt that they're doing it. (The mouse in my temporary avatar is meant to be Hamas, heh.)

However, YNet isn't consistent here. "300 Hamas men ... wipe out whole battalions". This doesn't jibe. It could be poor writing.

893 MandyManners  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 2:53:01pm

re: #874 Luigi

Sudden Jihad Syndrome?

NY interstate closed after man shoots at trooper
[Link: www.cnn.com...]


Gee. A taxi. Who could that be?

It ain't Latka Gravas.

894 Dustyvet  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 2:53:25pm

re: #870 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Hancock, tailhook outfit, fall 63 to summer 66.

Thanks Boomer!

895 Guanxi88  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 2:53:33pm

re: #893 MandyManners

It ain't Latka Gravas.

Thenk you virry much.

896 smokefire  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 2:54:05pm

re: #883 ArmyWife

Hiya Honcos. I see CNN is still hanging on tightly to their faked video. It's really silly, you know? We are all aware these guys are full of fakery, all CNN had to do was post the retraction and say the content was "questionable" and they have chosen to air on the side of caution! That way they don't have to admit in public they are stupid.

As a former CPR instructor, I can't help but think that the technician flunked his CPR exam, and the doctor that was there, must have forgotten to apply oxygen to the patient too. All in all, I would give both of them failing marks

897 buzzdroid  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 2:54:33pm

re: #873 yochanan

we are kicking the hamassholes butt
[Link: www.ynetnews.com...]

that is why they are crying for a ceasefire.

AWESOME..

thank you IDF... the only army (along with America's) to have the balls to confront these Nazis head on.


(no wonder there were riots by Hamassholes in London today... they KNOW they're losing..)

898 Rancher  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 2:54:36pm

My Dad enlisted in WWII so he could get a desk job. He became a clerk for the Air Corp and I'm damn glad he did or I might not be here.

899 abolitionist  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 2:54:57pm

re: #833 Dr. Shalit

abolitionist -

If you want to listen, you can get the plug-in from Mozilla directly, assuming you are running Firefox.

-S-

Thanks, I am, and I'll check into it.

900 jwb7605  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 2:54:59pm

re: #894 Dustyvet

Thanks Boomer!

I took over his "spot" (Nov '68 - May '71). What were you flying in on?

901 Smilla  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 2:55:11pm

re: #873 yochanan

The IDF getting on with the job.

902 Steve  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 2:55:32pm

re: #887 njdhockeyfan

Jim Ignatowski?

I watched the video. Was that the gunman all dressed in white with the rifle?

903 swamprat  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 2:55:49pm

I have been looking at the gibbet evidence on the roof. The back wall is topped by a tin privacy fence. The ENTIRE fence from left to right has splatter. The splatter on the ground does not indicate any direction. It is flat and round. The material itself looks like brain, or dung, and there is alot of it. If that debris was supposed to come from a human(rather than the "missile") The other victim was literally blown to smithereens. Any demolition guys out there? Forensics? What say you? This is beginning to look like a farce.

904 Dustyvet  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 2:56:27pm

re: #900 jwb7605

I took over his "spot" (Nov '68 - May '71). What were you flying in on?

I was Army 67-68 with the 9th Infantry Division

905 smokefire  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 2:56:36pm

re: #901 Smilla

must be getting to be time for the rest of the world to put pressure on IDF to stop it. Then of course Hamas, will celebrate their victory

906 MandyManners  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 2:57:05pm

re: #885 Killgore Trout

Yes, In the Ch4 piece the scene on the couch is shown before they go to the Hospital. The narration says something like, "Young Mahmoud may already be dead and his family cradles him at home before going to the hospital." Later it states that they leave the hospital and go directly to the graveyard.
The CNN piece shows the couch scene after the hospital and says, "After the heroic efforts of the doctors they take him home." Both versions of the story cannot be true and the are both narrated bythe same person, presumably Paul Martin himself.

Please emphasize that point tomorrow.

907 jwb7605  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 2:57:05pm

re: #898 Rancher

My Dad enlisted in WWII so he could get a desk job. He became a clerk for the Air Corp and I'm damn glad he did or I might not be here.

Mine got drafted at age 35, and WWII settled him down or I wouldn't be here!
He drove a jeep for Patton and totally had enough of the adventurous life.

908 Sunlight  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 2:57:22pm

re: #857 jwb7605

Was that a "lottery" number?

Are you that young?

909 NC State of Mind  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 2:57:25pm

re: #880 njdhockeyfan

volunteer security personnel arranged by the Islamic organizers of a demonstration

So they arranged their own security that has to reign in their own people.

I heard a local politician telling a man that he walked an old lady to her car after one of his rallies becuase he was afraid of most of his own supporters who were at the event.

Both sets of people know they are promoting hate and divisiness with their rhetoric.

910 jwb7605  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 2:58:25pm

re: #904 Dustyvet

I was Army 67-68 with the 9th Infantry Division

Missed both of us "by that much"!

911 ArmyWife  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 2:58:34pm

re: #896 smokefire

Yep! My husband (also an instructor for ACLS, SF Medic who did a long stint as a Dustoff medic, EMT-P, currently 1SG in the Meddac) says that video is, and I quote, "laughable". He used another word before "laughable" that started with an "F" if I am to be completely honest!

912 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 2:59:11pm

re: #880 njdhockeyfan

Here's a worldwide moonbat report from the AP...

Thousands in Europe, Lebanon protest Gaza violence

"A crowd of 12,000 gathered in London's Hyde Park carrying placards marked 'Gaza: Stop the massacre' and chanting 'free, free Palestine'."

Yes let's stop the massacre. To do so has a key requirement: Hamas Delenda Est. Oh, wait, I almost forgot. They want a massacre: of Jews. They're just inverting their words to throw off the gullible and the MSM (but I repeat myself).

913 Dustyvet  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 2:59:14pm

re: #910 jwb7605

Missed both of us "by that much"!

Drat...:(

914 jwb7605  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 2:59:28pm

re: #908 Sunlight

Are you that young?

Nope. I went from 2-S to 1-A, and my service number starts with a letter.

915 jcm  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 2:59:43pm

UK Nationalized Health (S)care.

The NHS must condemn the death of a vulnerable patient who starved to death in hospital after 26 days without being properly fed, a charity said today.

The death of Martin Ryan, 43, who died after not being fitted with a feeding tube, is among six "premature" deaths of patients with learning difficulties which the charity Mencap said the NHS watchdog, the health service ombudsman, must condemn in a report later this month.

916 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 2:59:51pm

re: #882 jwb7605

I'd had one year of college, and found out Physics/Chemistry double major wasn't the brightest thing I could have chosen.

I was making (in 1967!) over fourteen bucks an hour ... at a meat packing plant on the "cutting line".

Options seemed simple at the time.

14 an hour THEN?! ... Wow!

Double major in those would have killed me. I would up getting a BA in History (*cough*, *blush*) because I liked it. Problem was, I also collected a wife an infant daughter. Try feeding a family on a BA in History! At least I had electronics.

917 ArmyWife  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 3:00:09pm

re: #906 MandyManners

what happens tomorrow?

918 reine.de.tout  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 3:00:15pm

re: #885 Killgore Trout

Yes, In the Ch4 piece the scene on the couch is shown before they go to the Hospital. The narration says something like, "Young Mahmoud may already be dead and his family cradles him at home before going to the hospital." Later it states that they leave the hospital and go directly to the graveyard.
The CNN piece shows the couch scene after the hospital and says, "After the heroic efforts of the doctors they take him home." Both versions of the story cannot be true and the are both narrated bythe same person, presumably Paul Martin himself.

If he narrated both versions, and it is obvious that they differ . . . well, honestly, I don't know what he could say that would make any sense at all.

919 Guanxi88  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 3:00:31pm

re: #902 Steve

I watched the video. Was that the gunman all dressed in white with the rifle?

Yep, dressed in some sorta winter camo smock deal

920 Sunlight  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 3:00:36pm

re: #873 yochanan

we are kicking the hamassholes butt
[Link: www.ynetnews.com...]

that is why they are crying for a ceasefire.

Bravo, IDF!

921 smokefire  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 3:01:02pm

re: #911 ArmyWife

Yep! My husband (also an instructor for ACLS, SF Medic who did a long stint as a Dustoff medic, EMT-P, currently 1SG in the Meddac) says that video is, and I quote, "laughable". He used another word before "laughable" that started with an "F" if I am to be completely honest!

thats honest enough for me. Mine would have been unf***ing laughable.

922 MandyManners  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 3:01:11pm

re: #915 jcm

UK Nationalized Health (S)care.

They're killing people with learning difficulties?

923 buzzdroid  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 3:01:25pm

re: #907 jwb7605

Mine got drafted at age 35, and WWII settled him down or I wouldn't be here!
He drove a jeep for Patton and totally had enough of the adventurous life.

/hat tip to the Greatest Generation. to drive a jeep for Patton is the stuff we can only dream of ...

and those young Americans in Iraq right now? i think history will judge them to be the worthy inheritors of that Greatest Generation tag. just think folks - there are HUNDREDS of thousands of them , currently in the military - and by god will you see their impact when they leave the army and go into politics and business...

924 MandyManners  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 3:01:38pm

re: #917 ArmyWife

what happens tomorrow?

Paul Martin.

925 SurferDoc  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 3:01:41pm

re: #919 Guanxi88

Yep, dressed in some sorta winter camo smock deal

Not Bernie Madoff then...

926 Sunlight  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 3:01:50pm

re: #875 Dustyvet

The next US president will not break the policy of isolating Hamas, an Obama spokesperson told The Jerusalem Post.

[Link: www.jpost.com...]

Every day, the opposite statement.

927 goddessoftheclassroom  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 3:01:54pm

re: #916 pre-Boomer Marine brat

MWAH!

928 Ojoe  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 3:02:11pm

re: #855 Steve

My number was 135

If the war got way worse I would have been called, but it didn't.

929 Smilla  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 3:02:15pm

re: #905 smokefire

I don't think Israel will let that happen this time.

Noises off: UN bleating, Annie Lennox screeching singing.

930 jcm  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 3:02:24pm

re: #922 MandyManners

They're killing people with learning difficulties?

Expensive to maintain sub-standard units...
///
*spit*

931 Guanxi88  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 3:02:37pm

re: #925 SurferDoc

Not Bernie Madoff then...

Yeah, I typed "smock", not schmuck.

932 rightwinger3  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 3:02:55pm

re: #885 Killgore Trout

Yes, In the Ch4 piece the scene on the couch is shown before they go to the Hospital. The narration says something like, "Young Mahmoud may already be dead and his family cradles him at home before going to the hospital." Later it states that they leave the hospital and go directly to the graveyard.
The CNN piece shows the couch scene after the hospital and says, "After the heroic efforts of the doctors they take him home." Both versions of the story cannot be true and the are both narrated bythe same person, presumably Paul Martin himself.

Kilgore, see my 890. I don't think so. But that's not a big deal. Everything else you say is absolutely accurate and is a big deal.

933 buzzdroid  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 3:03:29pm

re: #922 MandyManners

They're killing people with learning difficulties?

and old people too.

go to hospital , and you die of a hospital bug. running at between 5,000 to 10,000 deaths per year right now.

in fact , if you are old and sick, the safest place for you is actually at home rather than a hospital. (thats pretty much a death sentence in the uk right now..)

aint socialised healthcare just great...

934 Guanxi88  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 3:03:36pm

re: #925 SurferDoc

Not Bernie Madoff then...

Honest to G-d, it's guys like him that make it hard(er) to fight the stereotypes.

935 Bob Dillon  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 3:03:49pm

re: #924 MandyManners

Paul Martin.

That's tomorrow Israeli time - tonight for us.

936 Killgore Trout  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 3:03:56pm

re: #918 reine.de.tout

I can't imagine what his explanation will be but I'm anxious to find out.

937 njdhockeyfan  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 3:04:31pm

re: #926 Sunlight

Every day, the opposite statement.

He's just covering his bases so whatever he does he can say "I have been very clear about this from the very beginning." and the MSM won't blink an eye.

938 jcm  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 3:04:59pm

re: #933 buzzdroid

and old people too.

go to hospital , and you die of a hospital bug. running at between 5,000 to 10,000 deaths per year right now.

in fact , if you are old and sick, the safest place for you is actually at home rather than a hospital. (thats pretty much a death sentence in the uk right now..)

aint socialised healthcare just great...

Netherlands it's been taken to active steps. They are eliminating the old, and just the unwanted.

939 Killgore Trout  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 3:05:03pm

re: #932 rightwinger3

They still really sound the same to me. We'll have to wait and see what he says.

940 ArmyWife  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 3:05:13pm

re: #930 jcm

Just lovely. I'll go try and find it, but wasn't there an article on how patients were supposed to go online and do their own health care as determined by their health status? Mainly affecting older people who, it seemed, they were just going to let die? Let me go look...

941 Steve  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 3:05:37pm

re: #898 Rancher

My Dad enlisted in WWII so he could get a desk job. He became a clerk for the Air Corp and I'm damn glad he did or I might not be here.

Thanks for you service. My dad was also enlisted in the air corp. Became a Top Gunner/flight mech during WWII.

942 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 3:05:38pm

re: #884 baconeatingkaffir

Tell me about it! My stepdaughter who has a Green card speaks English,German, and Turkish and Mandarin Chinese. She graduates this May with a BA in Mandarin language and lit. I was trying to talk her into the military to get her citizenship out of the way and pay for the MBA she's dying to have and things I should pay for. She told me she "wouldn't make enough money"! Scary this new generation. Ooh to be a 19 year old airman again in Germany on a weekendafter payday!

I hope she comes to her senses.

re airman after payday, you'll love this one. Another carrier out there in '65 (the Ranger, not mine) wound up in Yokosuka for 45 days -- heavy-duty repairs to one of her boilers, so we heard. The crew was flat broke after that. You can probably imagine!

/sounds wonderful, BUT ...

943 jwb7605  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 3:06:24pm

re: #916 pre-Boomer Marine brat

14 an hour THEN?! ... Wow!

Double major in those would have killed me. I would up getting a BA in History (*cough*, *blush*) because I liked it. Problem was, I also collected a wife an infant daughter. Try feeding a family on a BA in History! At least I had electronics.

After unionizing and encouraging "immigrant labor", can you guess what the same exact job now pays today (2009)?

If you go for $12.00, you would be correct.

944 NC State of Mind  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 3:06:29pm

re: #930 jcm

Expensive to maintain sub-standard units...
///
*spit*

But that's basically what happened, right? Cost benefit analysis on the patients at the hospital?

It's not that different from making health decisions based on station in life, income, 'benefit to society', highest level of education...

945 MandyManners  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 3:06:52pm

re: #935 Bobibutu

That's tomorrow Israeli time - tonight for us.

It's just seven hours ahead of EST.

946 MJ  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 3:07:02pm

re: #875 Dustyvet

The next US president will not break the policy of isolating Hamas, an Obama spokesperson told The Jerusalem Post.

[Link: www.jpost.com...]

From your link:

The report asserted that three people with knowledge of discussions held in the Obama camp said that while the president-elect would not approve direct diplomatic negotiations with Hamas early on, his advisers were urging him to initiate low-level or clandestine approaches...

That piece of slime Jimmy Carter did the same thing by having Andrew Young
talk to the PLO and then lie about it.
Wouldn't surprise me in the least if Obama does the same thing despite what was told to the JPost.
There is considerable opinion out there that the US already did talk to Hamas thanks to Sec. of State Rice and her Ambassador to Radical Arabs, Ambassador C. David Welch.
Happened in Egypt during talks to establish the initial cease fire.

947 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 3:08:16pm

re: #886 Bobibutu

You guys were leaving about the time I got there - May 66. Over the next 4 years I visited most of the Carriers. Would fly up from Saigon.

Yeah, IIRC, we headed back to Alameda in late May or June of that year. If I'd known, I would have stood on the fantail and waved a gleeful FAREWELL to you!

948 swamprat  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 3:08:56pm

re: #903 swamprat


Correction; the entire wall that is topped by the tin fence has splatter. They show the left and then the right corners of the wall in question in the third video (on the article where Charles posted the 3 vids in a row.)

the older brother must have been vaporized.
I didn't get his name.
Died instantly, but they only talk about "MacMood"
Guess the older brother was..."chopped liver"
At least that's what he appeared to be made out of.

949 reine.de.tout  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 3:09:30pm

re: #936 Killgore Trout

I can't imagine what his explanation will be but I'm anxious to find out.

Gotta be honest - I just listened to the clips again, and I'm not convinced it's the same voice. The UK voice sounded to me like like the Ch4 anchor was reading the story . . . but it's hard to tell. We'll see. It will be interesting, gah! I hope I don't miss it!

SOMEBODY SEND ME AN ALARM WHEN HE GETS HERE!

950 ArmyWife  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 3:09:59pm

Here we go! Don't treat the old and unhealthy

951 Luigi  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 3:10:03pm

I think it was Thursday morning I saw the headlines that Obama was going to talk to Hamas. My reaction was "Oh, sh*t! This war will go on forever because now Hamas has to hang on until the inauguration."

But now this...

Obama won't deal with Hamas, 'Post' told
[Link: www.jpost.com...]

The incoming Obama administration will not abandon President George Bush's doctrine of isolating Hamas, the Obama transition team's chief national security spokeswoman has told The Jerusalem Post.
The next US president will...

President-elect Barack Obama "has repeatedly stated that he believes that Hamas is a terrorist organization dedicated to Israel's destruction, and that we should not deal with them until they recognize Israel, renounce violence, and abide by past agreements," said Brooke Anderson in a statement to the Post.


Clarifying that rumor was the correct piece of statesmanship.

952 buzzdroid  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 3:10:09pm

more on the socialist NHS - the kind of system that Obama and Michael Moore admires

[Link: www.marketoracle.co.uk...]

"One would imagine that after so much extra funding that we would have a first class world beating NHS ? Well we don't, Britain scrapes the bottom of the European leagues across the board in healthcare from basic hygiene to cancer treatment."

"The NHS has seen its budget nearly triple over the last 10 years from £39 billion in 1996 to £110 billion today. However more than 70% of this huge amount of extra spending has been wasted"


and it gets worse...

"A BBC opinion poll on the NHS revealed that 66% of the population fears deadly NHS infections which claims thousands of lives every year because of failure of basic hygiene measures.

As many as 1/3rd of people polled would avoid surgery in an NHS hospital for fear of getting an infection. The NHS routinely KILLS tens of thousands unnecessarily every year, with the number estimated for 2007 put at 35,000 with many more thousands disabled."

953 Dr. Shalit  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 3:10:58pm

re: #908 Sunlight

Are you that young?

Sunlight -

Have a good story on that one. Dropped my 2-S deferment as a protest (don't ask, I was younger and "smarter" back then) which threw me into the Draft Lottery. I pulled "320" and was actually 1-A for about 10 days, after which I joined Uncle Sam's "4-H" club.

-S-

954 ThinkRight  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 3:11:06pm

I had a silly thought today
Hillary took the SecState job very quietly and personally paid her campaign debt.
Would Hussein Obama have promised her a Supreme Court Appointment ?

955 jcm  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 3:11:37pm

re: #950 ArmyWife

Here we go! Don't treat the old and unhealthy

Welcome to our future, with Obamacare.

956 baconeatingkaffir  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 3:12:03pm

re: #942 pre-Boomer Marine brat

I hope she comes to her senses.

re airman after payday, you'll love this one. Another carrier out there in '65 (the Ranger, not mine) wound up in Yokosuka for 45 days -- heavy-duty repairs to one of her boilers, so we heard. The crew was flat broke after that. You can probably imagine!

/sounds wonderful, BUT ...

Heh. When you're 19or in your early 20's budgeting takes a backseat. I remember the days I'd blow $100 on drinks and partying in one night. Coming back and bragging about it etc but now I could kick myself hehe.

957 Bob Dillon  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 3:12:09pm

re: #945 MandyManners

It's just seven hours ahead of EST.

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
396 Charles
1/10/09 12:59:05 pm reply quote

Martin just emailed and said he would respond tomorrow... he's apparently in Gaza or Israel now, so that means this evening sometime.

958 Rancher  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 3:12:28pm

re: #948 swamprat
What are you referring to?

959 jwb7605  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 3:12:58pm

re: #951 Luigi

I think it was Thursday morning I saw the headlines that Obama was going to talk to Hamas. My reaction was "Oh, sh*t! This war will go on forever because now Hamas has to hang on until the inauguration."

But now this...

Obama won't deal with Hamas, 'Post' told
[Link: www.jpost.com...]


Clarifying that rumor was the correct piece of statesmanship.

bb bbb bbbuttt -- that's not hope and change! We didn't vote for 4 more years of Bush! That's gotta be a rumor!

960 ArmyWife  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 3:13:26pm
Gordon Brown promised this month that a new NHS constitution would set out people's "responsibilities" as well as their rights, a move interpreted as meaning restric­tions on patients who bring health problems on themselves. The only sanction threatened so far, however, is to send patients to the bottom of the waiting list if they miss appointments. - emphasis mine


Hey Kos lurkers! WAITING LISTS. This is what you want in health care?

961 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 3:13:34pm

re: #927 goddessoftheclassroom

MWAH!

ROFLMAO!
(just a minute ... gotta see if it's on YouTube ... wait for it ...)

962 MandyManners  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 3:14:07pm

re: #957 Bobibutu

I'll be in bed before midnight.

963 Guanxi88  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 3:14:35pm

re: #959 jwb7605

bb bbb bbbuttt -- that's not hope and change! We didn't vote for 4 more years of Bush! That's gotta be a rumor!

Eh, just wait a bit. This is pretty shrewd of our Dear Leader. By simultaneously leaking multiple, conflicting positions, he can adapt to any position the moment requires, or at least APPEAR to, which it the important thing.

Consequently, he will and will not talk to Hamas; maybe.

964 jwb7605  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 3:15:01pm

re: #960 ArmyWife

Hey Kos lurkers! WAITING LISTS. This is what you want in health care?

KOS kids are young and their Moms make sure they get nutritious food when they come up from the basement, so YES.

965 rightwinger3  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 3:15:30pm

re: #939 Killgore Trout

Regardless the story stinks. freedomplow posted this yesterday. I think it's significant. In it Mashharawi is identified as a "TV producer contracted by NBC news". Not as a "cameraman filming the death of his brother". The NBC clip aired Jan 4th. CNN and CH4 Jan 9th.

966 Bob Dillon  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 3:16:26pm

re: #962 MandyManners

I'll be in bed before midnight.

Shucks -

967 Rancher  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 3:16:33pm

re: #951 Luigi

I think it was Thursday morning I saw the headlines that Obama was going to talk to Hamas. My reaction was "Oh, sh*t! This war will go on forever because now Hamas has to hang on until the inauguration."

But now this...

Obama won't deal with Hamas, 'Post' told
[Link: www.jpost.com...]


Clarifying that rumor was the correct piece of statesmanship.

Wasn't a rumor, according to Fahta and Hamas his team has already been in contact, even before he was elected. I'll find a link.

968 ArmyWife  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 3:17:04pm

re: #964 jwb7605

You are right. What was I thinking.

969 Lynn B.  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 3:17:09pm

re: #962 MandyManners

I'll be in bed before midnight.

Yeah, and somehow I doubt this is going to be the first thing on his agenda for the day.

970 abolitionist  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 3:17:33pm

re: #948 swamprat

[snip]
Died instantly, but they only talk about "MacMood"
Guess the older brother was..."chopped liver"
At least that's what he appeared to be made out of.

In at least one of the videos I saw, names of both the 12 year-old and his 14 year-old friend were mentioned, but they were not brothers, iirc.

971 Luigi  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 3:18:31pm

re: #959 jwb7605

To give credit where due, denying that rumor was the right thing to do. We don't want Hamas to think they're gonna go to the Rose Garden for a handshake if they have one man who can still walk on Jan. 20.

972 Guanxi88  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 3:18:36pm

re: #963 Guanxi88

Eh, just wait a bit. This is pretty shrewd of our Dear Leader. By simultaneously leaking multiple, conflicting positions, he can adapt to any position the moment requires, or at least APPEAR to, which it the important thing.

Consequently, he will and will not talk to Hamas; maybe.

Just to amplify a little on the theme: The One reminds me, in a lot of ways, of that thing where you point a video camera at the monitor that displays what the camera is showing in real time. You get this sort of multi-self-referential thing set up where it's not even clear that the camera is looking at anything that exists, and if you saw such a thing, you'd never know what you're looking at.

Same with him; there's just nothing there, and so, in that vacuum, you can find anything you want. Very Taoist, but in a bad way.

973 wrenchwench  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 3:18:48pm

re: #970 abolitionist

In at least one of the videos I saw, names of both the 12 year-old and his 14 year-old friend were mentioned, but they were not brothers, iirc.

They were cousins.

974 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 3:19:11pm

re: #927 goddessoftheclassroom

MWAH!

(though not "authentic") ... It's the best I could find

/the rest are a bunch of scuzzy amateurs!

975 hazzyday  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 3:19:22pm

re: #703 njdhockeyfan

Israel should charge the UN with war crimes.

976 Spiny Norman  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 3:19:23pm

re: #960 ArmyWife

Hey Kos lurkers! WAITING LISTS. This is what you want in health care?

Waiting lists are for the Rethuglikkkans. The Kos Kiddies are good Progressives, so there won't be no waiting for them.

977 goddessoftheclassroom  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 3:20:28pm

re: #974 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Nice followup--you may stay...

978 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 3:20:46pm

re: #975 hazzyday

Israel should charge the UN with war crimes.

Concur.

979 Spiny Norman  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 3:21:03pm

re: #964 jwb7605

KOS kids are young and their Moms make sure they get nutritious food when they come up from the basement, so YES.

Well, if you think Hot Pockets are "nutritious".

And yelling up the stairs for more means "Moms make sure".

;^)

980 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 3:21:18pm

re: #943 jwb7605

After unionizing and encouraging "immigrant labor", can you guess what the same exact job now pays today (2009)?

If you go for $12.00, you would be correct.

In today's environment, I'm not at all surprised.

981 Bob Dillon  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 3:21:31pm

re: #969 Lynn B.

Yeah, and somehow I doubt this is going to be the first thing on his agenda for the day.

I think he takes this seriously. After all he's running a production company - if his products are discredited or tainted for the MSM to use - significant revenue loss now and in the future. The stuff he produced in the past seemed to be for local consumption - small potatoes.

982 Guanxi88  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 3:21:32pm

re: #975 hazzyday

Israel should charge the UN with war crimes.

Nah, just keep grinding down the UN's chief pets and backers. That's the best way to get 'em.

983 Luigi  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 3:21:40pm

re: #967 Rancher

Wasn't a rumor, according to Fahta and Hamas his team has already been in contact, even before he was elected.

The wheels on the bus go thump thump thump.

984 MandyManners  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 3:21:49pm

Gotta' go check on dinner. bbl

985 reine.de.tout  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 3:22:03pm

re: #970 abolitionist

In at least one of the videos I saw, names of both the 12 year-old and his 14 year-old friend were mentioned, but they were not brothers, iirc.

cousins, I think

986 goddessoftheclassroom  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 3:22:06pm

BBL

987 swamprat  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 3:22:16pm

re: #958 Rancher

The controversial video that Charles is giving Paul Martin a chance to respond to. Here is the link

In the third video down, the courtyard is shown between 1:00 and 1:25

Look at the courtyard. Play it and stop it here and there.

988 ArmyWife  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 3:22:17pm

Think his time in Afghanistan has made Prince Harry a bit more realistic toward Muslims? It's pretty funny. I mean, terrible. Horrible. Shocking and uncalled for, even.

989 ArmyWife  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 3:23:06pm

re: #976 Spiny Norman

They have a special get in the front of the line card, huh?

990 Guanxi88  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 3:23:15pm

re: #967 Rancher

Wasn't a rumor, according to Fahta and Hamas his team has already been in contact, even before he was elected. I'll find a link.

So here's the question of the day:

In a secret negotiation between the delegates of the Light-Worker and representatives of Fatah & Hamas - which side is least trustworthy, and which one will lie first, loudest, and biggest, about what was or wasn't agreed to?

991 hazzyday  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 3:23:49pm

re: #988 ArmyWife

Think his time in Afghanistan has made Prince Harry a bit more realistic toward Muslims? It's pretty funny. I mean, terrible. Horrible. Shocking and uncalled for, even.

I liked Prince Charles, but I think he is a closet sufi.

992 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 3:23:55pm

re: #956 baconeatingkaffir

Heh. When you're 19or in your early 20's budgeting takes a backseat. I remember the days I'd blow $100 on drinks and partying in one night. Coming back and bragging about it etc but now I could kick myself hehe.

I never EVER blew that kind of money ... (... er ... on drinks and partying)

993 Guanxi88  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 3:23:58pm

re: #989 ArmyWife

They have a special get in the front of the line card, huh?

Yeah, it's your Party card. Don't have one, tovarisch?

994 Spiny Norman  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 3:24:39pm

re: #967 Rancher

Wasn't a rumor, according to Fahta and Hamas his team has already been in contact, even before he was elected. I'll find a link.

Hamas rejected renewing the "Cease Fire" agreement (the one they ignored from the get-go), because they thought they could get more concessions from the Israelis once Barry was the White House.

OTOH, I don't think they expected the Israelis to take that declaration quite the way they did.

995 Guanxi88  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 3:24:55pm

re: #993 Guanxi88

Yeah, it's your Party card. Don't have one, tovarisch?

The Inner Party members always have the best things.

996 SurferDoc  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 3:25:22pm

re: #931 Guanxi88

Yeah, I typed "smock", not schmuck.

Upding!

997 gettinby  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 3:25:31pm

re: #870 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Hancock, tailhook outfit, fall 63 to summer 66.

If you're still here...my first husband was on the Hancock at, iirc, about the same time (something along the lines as the first carrier to be sent to the region?). I met him after he returned.

Thanks for your service.

998 Spiny Norman  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 3:25:37pm

re: #988 ArmyWife

Think his time in Afghanistan has made Prince Harry a bit more realistic toward Muslims? It's pretty funny. I mean, terrible. Horrible. Shocking and uncalled for, even.

Harumph!

999 Guanxi88  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 3:26:03pm

re: #996 SurferDoc

Thank you, I'll be here all week.

1000 wrenchwench  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 3:26:05pm

1,000

1001 ArmyWife  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 3:26:18pm

re: #991 hazzyday

Prince Charles is a leftist loon. With bad teeth.

1002 Guanxi88  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 3:26:25pm

re: #1000 wrenchwench

Spooky!

1003 path  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 3:26:34pm

re: #420 stevieray

How can we get to the live Gaza cam? Link please if possible.

1004 wrenchwench  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 3:26:38pm

I always wanted to do that...

1005 jcm  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 3:26:56pm

re: #987 swamprat

The controversial video that Charles is giving Paul Martin a chance to respond to. Here is the link

In the third video down, the courtyard is shown between 1:00 and 1:25

Look at the courtyard. Play it and stop it here and there.

I did a search of FAS, Strategy Page and Janes. I came up with two things.
1) IDF doesn't have any armed UAVs listed on any of them.
2) Air to Surface missiles they have 2, a big one called he Gabriel III which would have leveled the house. Or he Hellfire which has armor piercing or anti personnel. The armor round would have left a big hole in the roof, all the way through. The anti-personnel there wouldn't have been enough left to do CPR on.

1006 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 3:27:23pm

re: #977 goddessoftheclassroom

Nice followup--you may stay...

Awww!

Now I'll loft it back over the net.

1007 jwb7605  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 3:27:27pm

re: #993 Guanxi88

Yeah, it's your Party card. Don't have one, tovarisch?

Reminds me of a joke.

1008 Guanxi88  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 3:27:52pm

re: #1007 jwb7605

I'm game. Let's have it.

1009 ArmyWife  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 3:28:14pm

re: #993 Guanxi88

No, Comrade. Surely it was lost in the mail.

1010 Smilla  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 3:28:14pm

re: #988 ArmyWife

It's not funny, because his racism applies to anyone who is different to him - eg an Indian cricketer as much as an Islamicist. Was he the Diana son who wore the Nazi outfit to a costume party? The Queen is the only sane member of that family.

1011 Bob Dillon  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 3:28:32pm

re: #1003 path

How can we get to the live Gaza cam? Link please if possible.

[Link: switch3.castup.net...]

1012 Guanxi88  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 3:29:18pm

re: #1009 ArmyWife

No, Comrade. Surely it was lost in the mail.

Criticism of the Glorious People's Postal Service is punishable by five years in the Glorious People's Postal Service. You wanna re-think that, kulak?

1013 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 3:29:33pm

re: #997 gettinby

If you're still here...my first husband was on the Hancock at, iirc, about the same time (something along the lines as the first carrier to be sent to the region?). I met him after he returned.

Thanks for your service.

Interesting! Do you know what he did? Perhaps what department (or squadron) he was in?

1014 Spiny Norman  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 3:29:47pm

re: #989 ArmyWife

They have a special get in the front of the line card, huh?

Some animals are more equal than others...

Oh, I think if a British- or Canadian-style single-payer socialized (read: rationed) system is installed, they find out real quick that the "more equal" doesn't include them, either.

1015 Luigi  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 3:30:14pm

NY Times, the last beacon of truth in a troubled time..

A Gaza War Full of Traps and Trickery
[Link: www.nytimes.com...]

JERUSALEM — The grinding urban battle unfolding in the densely populated Gaza Strip is a war of new tactics, quick adaptation and lethal tricks.

Hamas, with training from Iran and Hezbollah, has used the last two years to turn Gaza into a deadly maze of tunnels, booby traps and sophisticated roadside bombs. Weapons are hidden in mosques, schoolyards and civilian houses, and the leadership’s war room is a bunker beneath Gaza’s largest hospital, Israeli intelligence officials say.

Unwilling to take Israel’s bait and come into the open, Hamas militants are fighting in civilian clothes; even the police have been ordered to take off their uniforms. The militants emerge from tunnels to shoot automatic weapons or antitank missiles, then disappear back inside, hoping to lure the Israeli soldiers with their fire.

In one apartment building in Zeitoun, in northern Gaza, Hamas set an inventive, deadly trap. According to an Israeli journalist embedded with Israeli troops, the militants placed a mannequin in a hallway off the building’s main entrance. They hoped to draw fire from Israeli soldiers who might, through the blur of night vision goggles and split-second decisions, mistake the figure for a fighter. The mannequin was rigged to explode and bring down the building.

1016 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 3:30:49pm

re: #1000 wrenchwench

1,000

You are now a millipede

1017 Rancher  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 3:31:27pm

re: #987 swamprat

The controversial video that Charles is giving Paul Martin a chance to respond to. Here is the link

In the third video down, the courtyard is shown between 1:00 and 1:25

Look at the courtyard. Play it and stop it here and there.

Thanks, but I'm at work and videos are blocked. I'll look at it tonight. This is where the kid received his injuries? Is there any evidence of cuts, burn marks or such in the video of the kid?

1018 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 3:31:42pm

re: #988 ArmyWife

Think his time in Afghanistan has made Prince Harry a bit more realistic toward Muslims? It's pretty funny. I mean, terrible. Horrible. Shocking and uncalled for, even.

I though Prince Harry had grown up, but I guess not. He just became an older asshat.

1019 Bob Dillon  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 3:31:50pm

re: #1011 Bobibutu

[Link: switch3.castup.net...]

I guess the night vision lens isn't available.
/

1020 Pietr  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 3:33:54pm

I posted this earlier-but it got ignored because of the thread speed. If anyone knows how to contact Charles, Stinky-or any other guardians of this special place-PLEASE ask them to double protect/double firewall any posts from Mr Martin in Gaza! The Camera man/Hamas Isp owner and his friend Mr Martin may be looking to disable LGF-and all linked sites...and they might have a virus/malware that will do damage...IMHO.

That said, I gotta go...cooking supper...

1021 Guanxi88  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 3:34:12pm

re: #1019 Bobibutu

I can't wait til you go to that camera and you see some Golani or other IDF guy waving at the camera.

1022 gettinby  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 3:35:01pm

re: #1013 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Interesting! Do you know what he did? Perhaps what department (or squadron) he was in?

I'm surprised actually that my memory remembers a first husband! LOL

Not really...I'm looking thru my paperwork to see what year we married. It was right after he returned - was it in early or mid-1966 that you were back? I think we married in Aug. 1966 (could have been 1967).

Goodness...I don't even remember what rank he was (is that right?).

/He was gorgeous in his uniform though. LOL

1023 jwb7605  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 3:35:46pm

re: #1008 Guanxi88

I'm game. Let's have it.

During the Bolshevik revolution, one of the high officials in the (up and coming) Communist party was a man named Rudolph Turansky. He liked to take walks around Red Square in the evening.

A newly wed couple, Ilya and Tonya Ivanovich wanted access and membership to the party. Ilya had met Rudolph Turansky, and suggested to Tonya that they "accidently" encounter Rudolph one evening and do whatever it took to get into his good graces.

It was a cold November evening.
When Rudolph came out, Ilya and Tonya put their plan into effect. As they were walking and chatting, a drop of moisture hit the sleeve of Rudolph Turansky's coat.

Rudolph remarked "Ah. It looks like it's going to rain".
Tonya said "I think it's too cold for that, I believe it's snow".

The conversation, as these things will do, turned to a discussion. The discussion began to get a bit tense.

Nervous about blowing the opportunity, Ilya pulled Tonya aside and whispered into her ear "Darling! Rudolph the Red knows rain, dear"

thankew, thankew ... I'll be here all week ...

1024 Sunlight  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 3:36:15pm

re: #975 hazzyday

Israel should charge the UN with war crimes.

EXACTLY! But it shouldn't just be Israel. Because, as we know, the UN war crimes aren't just in Gaza and Lebanon.

1025 Guanxi88  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 3:36:27pm

re: #1023 jwb7605

Beautiful, simply sublime. It's going into my regular rotation.

1026 ArmyWife  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 3:36:54pm

re: #1018 Dark_Falcon

I think when you are in the situation he is in, he almost has to be the biggest clown to prove he is one of the guys. He hasn't matured enough to realize this will be slapped all through the media (though his Nazi halloween costume should have clued him in a bit). I really think he is trying to be likable to a bunch of rough and rowdy guys.

1027 BBEV  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 3:37:21pm

re: #858 buzzdroid

you got it in one - thats the whole point of the mission in Iraq. it wasnt oil. it wasnt WMDS.. it was way simpler - to turn Iraq into an outpost of Western civilisation.

and once iraq becomes prosperous, surrounding arab populations might actually start to question the mullahs and their "islam"...

How true, now try and convince a moonbat that.

1028 Sharmuta  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 3:37:42pm

The phrase "I am not a doctor, but I play one on TV" was used by the actor Peter Bergman of soap opera fame in a commercial.

I bring this up because I too am not a doctor. However, I don't play one on TV, but I have watched a few soap operas in my day, and I can tell you that even they do a better job faking a resuscitation than this hamas video did.

1029 yochanan  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 3:38:03pm

re: #988 ArmyWife

Think his time in Afghanistan has made Prince Harry a bit more realistic toward Muslims? It's pretty funny. I mean, terrible. Horrible. Shocking and uncalled for, even.

are your pubes ginger too? nothing offensive in the tape unless you a P.C. DHIMMI.

1030 swamprat  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 3:40:26pm

re: #970 abolitionist

You are correct; Achmed (the cousin who is instantly dead, and apparently unmourned) Sorry. But it is MacMood in two videos and Mahmoud(sp) in one.

1031 reine.de.tout  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 3:41:06pm

re: #1001 ArmyWife

Prince Charles is a leftist loon. With bad teeth.

Very few people other than Americans have good teeth.

1032 ArmyWife  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 3:41:39pm

re: #1029 yochanan

See my 1026 - I've seen Army guys get pretty not PC when they get together and say similar things, especially if beer is involved. I read the article (didn't view the video). I wasn't offended - I thought it was guys being stupid together.

1033 jcm  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 3:42:02pm

re: #1031 reine.de.tout

Very few people other than Americans have good teeth.

But, but we can't afford dental care... In England it's free!
//

1034 Bob Dillon  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 3:42:09pm

re: #1021 Guanxi88

I can't wait til you go to that camera and you see some Golani or other IDF guy waving at the camera.

Yes! The sound is good and there are occasional scenes that are lit.

1035 ArmyWife  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 3:42:11pm

re: #1031 reine.de.tout

he can afford to come here and get them fixed. Something tells me he really isn't losing sleep over what I think of him, though!

1036 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 3:42:39pm

re: #1022 gettinby

I'm surprised actually that my memory remembers a first husband! LOL

Not really...I'm looking thru my paperwork to see what year we married. It was right after he returned - was it in early or mid-1966 that you were back? I think we married in Aug. 1966 (could have been 1967).

Goodness...I don't even remember what rank he was (is that right?).

/He was gorgeous in his uniform though. LOL

The Hancock returned to Alameda from WestPac in June (or maybe July) of 1966. I got out of the Navy in August. I was in one of the A-4 squadrons, VA-212, which itself was "home-ported" (based) at an air station south of Fresno.

1037 swamprat  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 3:43:17pm

re: #1017 Rancher

Thanks, but I'm at work and videos are blocked. I'll look at it tonight. This is where the kid received his injuries? Is there any evidence of cuts, burn marks or such in the video of the kid?


Strangely, no. By coincidence, all injuries are cropped. As are the victims face. Also many relatives.

1038 jcm  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 3:43:20pm

re: #1032 ArmyWife

I thought it was guys being stupid together.

Hey, hey! We're never like that... it's a myth promulgated by the females to keep us down!

// ;-P

1039 Oh no...Sand People!  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 3:43:49pm

So are we going to get our Annual "Festival of Ashura" thread? Didn't that just end or begin or something?

Always warms the heart to see public displays of the child abuse. Good times.
/

1040 baconeatingkaffir  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 3:45:21pm

re: #1039 Oh no...Sand People!

So are we going to get our Annual "Festival of Ashura" thread? Didn't that just end or begin or something?

Always warms the heart to see public displays of the child abuse. Good times.
/

Ashura thats when they grind their faces into the concrete and flail themselves with chains etc. ... nothing says religion like kicking your own ass!

1041 jwb7605  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 3:46:04pm

re: #1036 pre-Boomer Marine brat

The Hancock returned to Alameda from WestPac in June (or maybe July) of 1966. I got out of the Navy in August. I was in one of the A-4 squadrons, VA-212, which itself was "home-ported" (based) at an air station south of Fresno.

Was that the cruise where the F-8 Crusader scored it's last kill on a Mig?
I think 211 made the kill.
VA-212 dropped a lot of ordnance, and frequently came back with dirt on the birds.

1042 Oh no...Sand People!  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 3:46:28pm

re: #1040 baconeatingkaffir

Ashura thats when they grind their faces into the concrete and flail themselves with chains etc. ... nothing says religion like kicking your own ass!

Now if they can just figure out how to keep it amongst themselves...

1043 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 3:46:30pm

re: #1023 jwb7605

And I'm SOOO glad you'll be here all week!
I'm heading out to buy a shotgun, and there's a #@�%$ waiting period!

/(-:

1044 MJ  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 3:46:38pm

Good Denver Post Op Ed:

OPINION
"Death to all Juice"
By David Harsanyi
Posted: 01/09/2009 12:30:00 AM MST

In our nation, even twisted extremists are welcome to express their opinions.
Take, for instance, the young Muslim woman in Florida who used her constitutional right to tell Jews to "go back to the oven!" last week. Or the more befuddled protester in New York who brandished a sign that read, "Death to all Juice." (And I thought we Jews ran the country. Clearly, someone is sleeping on the job.)
These rare but revolting displays of hate do offer the "Juice" a valuable reminder that a secure Jewish state in Israel is a historic imperative.

[Link: www.denverpost.com...]

1045 ArmyWife  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 3:46:49pm

Speaking of stupid, abusive behavior, the ACLU would like us cease the cruel and unusual punishment of force feeding hunger strikers at Gitmo.

"Force-feeding is universally considered to be a form of cruel, inhuman and degrading treatment," Dakwar wrote to Gates.

"We respectfully and urgently request that you immediately order the prison camp's commander to cease all force-feeding of detainees who are capable of forming a rational judgment and are aware of the consequences of refusing food."

Good idea!

1046 path  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 3:47:33pm

re: #1011 Bobibutu


Thank You.

1047 ciaospirit  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 3:47:57pm

re: #951 Luigi

The incoming Obama administration will not abandon President George Bush's doctrine of isolating Hamas, the Obama transition team's chief national security spokeswoman has told The Jerusalem Post.


That won't be the only thing he finds out Bush was right about. He'll eat crow (mostly behind closed doors so we can't see) for trashing Bush on a number of issues.

1048 Oh no...Sand People!  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 3:48:07pm

re: #1045 ArmyWife

Speaking of stupid, abusive behavior, the ACLU would like us cease the cruel and unusual punishment of force feeding hunger strikers at Gitmo.

Good idea!

For once I actually concur with the ACLU on this one.

1049 swamprat  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 3:48:14pm

I've seen "bigfoot" videos with more information on them. More believable, too.

1050 WhiteRasta  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 3:48:50pm

Just a thought here. After all this is over can you imagine the influx of "aid" that your tax dollars will bring to Gaza?

All the do-gooders will be tripping over each other to "rebuild" that terrorist rat-hole.

1051 Oh no...Sand People!  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 3:49:15pm

re: #1049 swamprat

I've seen "bigfoot" videos with more information on them. More believable, too.

LOL! Right on!

1052 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 3:49:29pm

re: #1026 ArmyWife

I think when you are in the situation he is in, he almost has to be the biggest clown to prove he is one of the guys. He hasn't matured enough to realize this will be slapped all through the media (though his Nazi halloween costume should have clued him in a bit). I really think he is trying to be likable to a bunch of rough and rowdy guys.

Good point. It was still a foolish thing to do though. It gives the media / Islam axis a club with which to hit the UK.

1053 hazzyday  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 3:49:31pm

re: #1026 ArmyWife

I think when you are in the situation he is in, he almost has to be the biggest clown to prove he is one of the guys. He hasn't matured enough to realize this will be slapped all through the media (though his Nazi halloween costume should have clued him in a bit). I really think he is trying to be likable to a bunch of rough and rowdy guys.

the Prince Harry quotes there are pretty tame to what I was around in the military.

1054 gettinby  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 3:49:40pm

re: #1036 pre-Boomer Marine brat

The Hancock returned to Alameda from WestPac in June (or maybe July) of 1966. I got out of the Navy in August. I was in one of the A-4 squadrons, VA-212, which itself was "home-ported" (based) at an air station south of Fresno.

We're close I think. Southern California was home...we graduated from the same high school in San Gabriel Valley.

He was a good guy. Hope he has had a happy life...he deserved such.

1055 jcm  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 3:49:54pm

re: #1049 swamprat

I've seen "bigfoot" videos with more information on them. More believable, too.

What? The bigfoot videos aren't real?
Damn...

1056 BBEV  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 3:50:44pm

re: #1048 Oh no...Sand People!

For once I actually concur with the ACLU on this one.

Ya but for different reasons,

1057 caligal  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 3:51:05pm

lollygaggin' ... one of my favorite words; hullabaloo is another...

1058 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 3:52:23pm

re: #1041 jwb7605

Was that the cruise where the F-8 Crusader scored it's last kill on a Mig?
I think 211 made the kill.
VA-212 dropped a lot of ordnance, and frequently came back with dirt on the birds.

I honestly don't remember about the MIG.

I know that the A-4's would get filthy from the 20mm blowback, but because of that cushy "desk job" in the avionics shop, I didn't fraternize with you working stiffs who got your hands dirty ... (*sniff*, thank you, have a nice day ... :D)

1059 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 3:52:46pm

re: #1048 Oh no...Sand People!

For once I actually concur with the ACLU on this one.

The problem is the 'bait and switch' they'll use. If we force feed, they'll condemm us for denying the prisoners their rights. However, if we let a prisoner starve to death, the ACLU will scream about how our 'brutality' killed him. What the ACLU actually wants us to do is surrender.

1060 Bob Dillon  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 3:53:19pm

re: #1046 path

Thank You.

My pleasure - looks like someone's having a midnight BBQ.
/

1061 reine.de.tout  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 3:53:40pm

The ‘Oldest Hatred’
It didn’t get that way without an ability to adapt
By Mark Steyn

1062 Dr. Shalit  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 3:54:52pm

re: #1024 Sunlight

EXACTLY! But it shouldn't just be Israel. Because, as we know, the UN war crimes aren't just in Gaza and Lebanon.

Sunlight -

Under that theory, RWANDA should sue the UN for negligence.

-S-

1063 ArmyWife  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 3:55:38pm

re: #1059 Dark_Falcon

We see this in the AFP's concluding paragraph:

The prison was opened in January 2002 to hold alleged "enemy combatants" captured by US and allied forces around the world during the so-called "war on terror."

I also see Stop the ACLU is all over this, too. Always the bridesmaid...

1064 Rancher  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 3:56:28pm

re: #967 Rancher
Palestinian group Hamas claims talks with Obama advisors.

Robert Malley, who has talked with Hamas, was reported to have gone to Egypt and Syria, before the election, to outline Obama's Middle East policy. After the story broke Malley was thrown under the bus. Has he gotten his seat back?

1065 Truth Dr.  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 3:56:28pm

And the so-called Jewish Eva Braun, the lecherous cancer Naomi Klein has issued her manifesto against the Jews (ofcourse filled with lies and incorrect facts, e.g., Israel launched the 2006 war in Lebanon as apparently to Naomi her hero boys in Hezbollah are allowed to cross the border and kill Israelis).

[Link: www.guardian.co.uk...]

1066 JacksonTn  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 3:56:33pm

Titans please ...I want to go to Tampa ... I need a warm place ...I am going to Ft. Lauderdale next week but that is biz ... I want to drink some beer and party! ... get busy boys! plus FBV sez Ravens are gonna win and I can't take that! ...Go Titans!

1067 lostlakehiker  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 3:57:03pm

re: #716 Opinionated

I was just reading Ralph Peters at the NY Post and something just struck me as I read his total defense of Israel that I felt compelled to come here and post this.

We Jews - especially in times like this- feel very alone. And in the onslaught against us, it is always comforting that there are Gentiles like Charles and Peters and most of the good people here who are steadfastly on our side.

To all you good people: Thank you.

We're not steadfastly on your side. We're on your side in this, because you're right. This has several dimensions. You're right that Israel has a right to exist, and they're wrong about Israel being an invasion of land that by rights belongs forever to Muslims. You're right about this particular fight; Hamas is a terrorist organization that targets civilians and demands the eradication of Israel, and enough is enough when it comes to Qasam and Grad attacks on Israel. And you're right on target with your ethics of war: you don't wantonly kill. You take pains to spare the innocent.
And you're believable: when the necessities of war require deception, you let circumstances do the deceiving, rather than lie to us.

This is why the CNN fakery is so noxious. It gives the impression that Israel kills children so frequently that a newsman's own relative is plausibly a victim.

1068 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 3:57:21pm

re: #1054 gettinby

We're close I think. Southern California was home...we graduated from the same high school in San Gabriel Valley.

He was a good guy. Hope he has had a happy life...he deserved such.

If your paperwork research turns up that he was in VA-212 (NAS Lemoore), or that he was an electronics technician in one of the other squadrons during the 63-66 time frame -- give me a shout the next time you find me in the room.

I worked with a Southern CA guy in the Air Wing avionics shop. Less than 6' tall, blonde hair. That's all I remember at the moment, but I've got one of the cruise books.

1069 Oh no...Sand People!  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 3:59:59pm

re: #1056 BBEV

Ya but for different reasons,

That's the truth...wink. wink.

1070 ArmyWife  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 4:00:03pm

re: #1064 Rancher

It looks like he has returned - seems he went to the Middle East as an "adviser" for Camp Obama in November.

1071 Truth Dr.  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 4:00:05pm

Here is the company that Richard Ramsey works at. this is the company that is boycotting Israel and cut off its Israeli supplier. Please let them know how you feel and urge that this racist company lose your business.

FreedomCall Limited
Company Number: 5027692
VAT Number: 827 0731 35
Registered Address: Hampton House
High Street
East Grinstead.
West Sussex.
England RH19 3AW
Telephone: [no phone numbers allowed] [International: 0044 20 7192 0598]

1072 Truth Dr.  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 4:01:40pm

The FreedomCall Company is that referred to by Naomi Klein in her loathsome article.

1073 JacksonTn  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 4:02:06pm

re: #1071 Truth Dr.

Here is the company that Richard Ramsey works at. this is the company that is boycotting Israel and cut off its Israeli supplier. Please let them know how you feel and urge that this racist company lose your business.

FreedomCall Limited
Company Number: 5027692
VAT Number: 827 0731 35
Registered Address: Hampton House
High Street
East Grinstead.
West Sussex.
England RH19 3AW
Telephone: [no phone numbers allowed] [International: 0044 20 7192 0598]

What types of products or service to they have ...if it is anything my farms buy I will never buy again ...or any of their offspring ...lmk

1074 ArmyWife  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 4:02:34pm

re: #1066 JacksonTn

I want to say something smart here - but I don't want to jinx the Ravens...

1075 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 4:03:20pm

re: #1041 jwb7605

The only Log 19 I have is for the 63/65 cruise. It doesn't show anything about a MIG kill. I guess there's a web site for VA-211.

1076 Truth Dr.  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 4:03:25pm

This was on their web site:
About FreedomCall
FreedomCall Limited provides fixed line services to home and business users. We work with some of the biggest names in the industry to deliver telecommunications services that meet the needs of home consumers and small and medium sized businesses.

For the Home User
For the home we offer packages to suit all needs; pay-per-call or call inclusive OffPeak and AnyTime. See our call rates from 2p a minute for UK calls.

Transferring to FreedomCall CPS (Carrier Pre Selection) is very easy; you keep your telephone number, you do not need any equipment and you do not have to dial a prefix number. In fact, all that changes is that you will receive the bill for your calls from FreedomCall and not BT so it will be much. much less!


For the Traveller
We also provide prepaid global phonecard and international callback services to customers both directly and indirectly through our affinity partners. Prepaid phonecards may be used in 28 countries and we provide both toll free and local number accesss numbers. Local number access is useful in hotels where it is often the case that toll free numbers are charged at a higher rate than local numbers.

SMS triggered callback services are available in 250 countries, in fact, anywhere that you can send a SMS message from. This can be very useful if one is travelling to avoid costly roaming or hotel charges. These products may be purchased through our prepaid services website FreedomCall.ME

For the VoIP USER
Our SIP based VoIP services offer some of the cheapest international rates around with many countries only 1 penny a minute.

For the Small Business
For the business user we provide voice, data circuits, ADSL and specialised services. We offer three Call Packages of inclusive UK landline minutes that start at just £7.99 a month and then 1.3ppm


For the Entrepreneur
For the Wholesale Reseller we offer both self-administered and fully managed partition services utilising a robust and efficient IVR platform with Q.931, SS7, H.323 and SIP capabilities.

1077 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 4:03:29pm

Define "Vicious Cycle":

Letting felons out of prison to save money

This is because the damage they do on the outside impedes lawful economic activity thereby further reducing the tax base. Lord, what fools these politicians be!

1078 JacksonTn  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 4:04:14pm

re: #1074 ArmyWife

I want to say something smart here - but I don't want to jinx the Ravens...

He he ... I was just in Baltimore ...crab cakes at Mo's beyond great ...I just wish it had been summer and I could have had steamed crabs ...delicious ... good game so far ...Hey I heard you have a politician in deep doo doo ...was she sleeping with someone ...

1079 callahan23  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 4:04:28pm

re: #1061 reine.de.tout

The ‘Oldest Hatred’
It didn’t get that way without an ability to adapt
By Mark Steyn

Thank you, Reine! Mark Steyn again brilliant


"The poet Nizar Qabbani wrote an ode to the intifada:
O mad people of Gaza,
a thousand greetings to the mad
The age of political reason
has long departed
so teach us madness"
1080 gettinby  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 4:04:37pm

re: #1066 JacksonTn

Titans please ...I want to go to Tampa ... I need a warm place ...I am going to Ft. Lauderdale next week but that is biz ... I want to drink some beer and party! ... get busy boys! plus FBV sez Ravens are gonna win and I can't take that! ...Go Titans!

I'm here and Tampa was a nice, slightly breezy with clear skies 82 today.

/Bring your bathing suit.

1081 MJ  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 4:04:52pm

re: #1064 Rancher

Palestinian group Hamas claims talks with Obama advisors.

Robert Malley, who has talked with Hamas, was reported to have gone to Egypt and Syria, before the election, to outline Obama's Middle East policy. After the story broke Malley was thrown under the bus. Has he gotten his seat back?

Malley wasn't really thrown under the bus. That was a PR stunt:

Volume 55, Number 4 · March 20, 2008
In Defense of Robert Malley

By Samuel Berger, Mickey Bergman, Martin Indyk, Daniel C. Kurtzer, Aaron David Miller, Dennis Ross
To the Editors:

Your readers may be interested in the following statement.

Mickey Bergman
President, Soleil Strategic Group

Over the past several weeks, a series of vicious, personal attacks have been launched against one of our colleagues, Robert Malley, who served as President Clinton's special assistant for Arab–Israeli affairs. They claim that he harbors an anti-Israeli agenda and has sought to undermine Israel's security. These attacks are unfair, inappropriate, and wrong. They are an effort to undermine the credibility of a talented public servant who has worked tirelessly over the years to promote Arab–Israeli peace and US national interests. They must stop.

We have real differences among us about how best to conduct US policy toward the Middle East and what is the right way to build a lasting two-state solution that protects Israel's security. But whatever differences do exist, there is no disagreement among us on one core issue that transcends partisan or other divides: that the US should not and will not do anything to undermine Israel's safety or the special relationship between our two nations. We have worked with Rob closely over the years and have no doubt he shares this view and has acted consistent with it.

We face a critical period in the Middle East that demands sustained, determined, and far-sighted engagement by the United States. It is not a time for scurrilous attacks against someone who deserves our respect.

Samuel (Sandy) Berger, Former National Security Adviser; Ambassador Martin Indyk, Former Ambassador to Israel and Egypt and Assistant Secretary of State for Near East Affairs; Ambassador Daniel C. Kurtzer, Former Ambassador to Israel; Aaron David Miller, Former Senior Adviser for Arab–Israeli Negotiations, Department of State; Ambassador Dennis Ross, Former Special Envoy of the President to the Middle East

[Link: www.nybooks.com...]

1082 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 4:05:35pm

re: #1075 pre-Boomer Marine brat

The only Log 19 I have is for the 63/65 cruise. It doesn't show anything about a MIG kill. I guess there's a web site for VA-211.

*smack forehead*
PIMF ... VF211

1083 JacksonTn  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 4:06:22pm

re: #1080 gettinby

I'm here and Tampa was a nice, slightly breezy with clear skies 82 today.

/Bring your bathing suit.

uh ...If I showed up in my bathing suit ...the majority of Tampa would probably leave ...LOL ...but at this time of the year I am for anywhere warm ...

1084 MJ  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 4:07:03pm

re: #1081 MJ

PS: Everyone one those signers except Berger is currently advising Obama or been officially named to work in the State Department.

1085 ArmyWife  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 4:07:55pm

re: #1078 JacksonTn

Yes, but they broke up. She was using gift cards that had been donated to charity for her own spending sprees amongst other things. Pretty much Baltimore as usual! Having had my very own Sheila Dixon run ins, it couldn't have happened to a better person.

/but it's Baltimore and she won't be convicted of squat.

1086 ArmyWife  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 4:08:58pm

re: #1078 JacksonTn

One more thing - if you come back, go to G&M's for crab cakes. You will never step foot in Mo's again.

1087 WhiteRasta  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 4:09:09pm

That poisonous witch Naomi Klien is the daughter in law of the uber-moonbat, Stephen Lewis.

The shit-apple does not fall far from the tree.

1088 JacksonTn  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 4:09:12pm

Could I just hang now? ...Titans lost the ball ...no no no

1089 Truth Dr.  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 4:09:54pm

If someone is in a Fisking mood, the Naomi Klein article would be a great place to start. Here is the link again:

[Link: www.guardian.co.uk...]

1090 ArmyWife  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 4:10:55pm

re: #1088 JacksonTn

oopsie! ;)

1091 Bob Dillon  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 4:11:22pm

re: #1046 path

Thank You.

Here's another - seems like it may be a second camera in the same location.

[Link: switch206-01.castup.net...]

1092 JacksonTn  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 4:11:39pm

re: #1086 ArmyWife

One more thing - if you come back, go to G&M's for crab cakes. You will never step foot in Mo's again.

I always go back to Baltimore ...I have meetings there in the summer and in January ...national store who takes my trees I meet with there twice a year ...I LOVE CRABS!...If I can't get a good ole New Orleans crab boil I will take steamed Maryland crabs any day!

1093 Dustyvet  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 4:12:01pm

Amy Winehouse and Mark Ronson 'targeted by Islamic extremists'


[Link: music.yahoo.com...]

1094 gettinby  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 4:12:23pm

re: #1068 pre-Boomer Marine brat

If your paperwork research turns up that he was in VA-212 (NAS Lemoore), or that he was an electronics technician in one of the other squadrons during the 63-66 time frame -- give me a shout the next time you find me in the room.

I worked with a Southern CA guy in the Air Wing avionics shop. Less than 6' tall, blonde hair. That's all I remember at the moment, but I've got one of the cruise books.

Okay...he was just shy of 6' with short, curly sort of brownish/blondish hair. Last name began with e.

Small world...our country is sooo blessed because of you guys (military). I'm forever grateful.

1095 Truth Dr.  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 4:12:26pm

White Rasta - Given her pro-Hezbollah proclivities, one may reasonably suspect that she may have been pleasing Mr. Nasrallah under his smock. Those lips are likely spewing poison because she has been swallowing some poison for awhile.

1096 Oh no...Sand People!  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 4:12:40pm

re: #1077 Dark_Falcon

Define "Vicious Cycle":

Letting felons out of prison to save money

This is because the damage they do on the outside impedes lawful economic activity thereby further reducing the tax base. Lord, what fools these politicians be!

But cocaine is racist...donchaknow?
/sarc

1097 Wishing  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 4:13:40pm

Someone appears to be operating that gaza cam?

1098 ArmyWife  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 4:14:17pm

re: #1093 Dustyvet

Amy Winehouse is her own worst enemy.

1099 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 4:14:51pm

re: #1091 Bobibutu

Here's another - seems like it may be a second camera in the same location.

[Link: switch206-01.castup.net...]

Or the one is rotating.
Thanks for these!

1100 WhiteRasta  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 4:17:32pm

re: #1095 Truth Dr.

She is a hate filled witch.

1101 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 4:17:41pm

re: #1094 gettinby

Okay...he was just shy of 6' with short, curly sort of brownish/blondish hair. Last name began with e.

Small world...our country is sooo blessed because of you guys (military). I'm forever grateful.

Not the same guy I was thinking off. Just remembered that his last name began with s.

1102 jwb7605  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 4:17:56pm

re: #1075 pre-Boomer Marine brat

The only Log 19 I have is for the 63/65 cruise. It doesn't show anything about a MIG kill. I guess there's a web site for VA-211.

VF-211 is now the "combination" of VF-211 and VF-24. That's actually incorrect, because they went to the FA-18, so the designation became VFA-211 (here's the latest website)
I checked their website back when Operation Iraqi Freedom started, and they are East Coast based, and were involved in "close air support". Since the Navy handed Miramar over to the Marines, I'm not sure if there are any more Navy fighter squadrons left on the West Coast.

Squat for history "that far back" in any detail. This would have occurred in '67. I always suspected that the combined squadron is VF-211, not VF-24, because of that last kill -- which I only heard about. That would fit politics of the situation, as I remember things back then.

1103 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 4:19:07pm

re: #1091 Bobibutu

Here's another - seems like it may be a second camera in the same location.

[Link: switch206-01.castup.net...]

Nice "soundtrack".
heh

1104 callahan23  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 4:20:22pm

re: #1065 Truth Dr.

That whole article is so wrong and vile. ...
CCCHHHAAAaaattthhUUMMMPPP SPIT

'cuse me I had to take a quick walk to vent my anger.

1105 Truth Dr.  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 4:20:42pm

White Rasta - Do you think she feels the way she does because she was abused as a child. Is it possible that perhaps her father molested her and that's why she hates men and Jews (and is married to avi Lewis who is neither). I don't know if that would be true but it could explain her hostility? Then again, maybe she's just a self-hating idiot.

1106 right Brain  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 4:20:52pm

re: #797 desdichado

Hey what happened to London's Daily Mail? Didn't they get the PC talking points memo. LOL

Kudos Daily Mail, you're now on my primary destination list.

[Link: www.dailymail.co.uk...]

1107 ArmyWife  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 4:21:07pm

re: #1092 JacksonTn

I spoke to soon. I knew I should have kept my mouth shut...

1108 Sunlight  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 4:21:21pm

re: #1062 Dr. Shalit

Sunlight -

Under that theory, RWANDA should sue the UN for negligence.

-S-

Or what about the UN peacekeepers food for sex program.

1109 Dr. Shalit  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 4:21:31pm

re: #1076 Truth Dr.

Doctor to Doctor -

Unless I am missing something, and I looked at their website, seems they are staying away from Cell Phone SIM card resales - wonder why? The Cell Phone Hagannah perhaps? Very easy to piggyback on existing carriers and buy time wholesale. WAY HARDER to issue SIM cards and "dis" those who invented them - FWIW, IMHO.

-S-

1110 Dr. Shalit  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 4:22:51pm

re: #1108 Sunlight

Or what about the UN peacekeepers food for sex program.

Sunlight -

In the words of my "sainted" mother - DON'T ASK!

-S-

1111 Oh no...Sand People!  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 4:24:37pm

re: #1089 Truth Dr.

If someone is in a Fisking mood, the Naomi Klein article would be a great place to start. Here is the link again:

[Link: www.guardian.co.uk...]

Good night. If I had a bird cage, I would almost throw my monitor in there with my pretend subscription to N.Y. Times after reading that one.

I got to sign off. Later all.

1112 Bob Dillon  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 4:25:53pm

re: #1099 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Or the one is rotating.
Thanks for these!

You are welcome - roosters and other birds may be heard at dawn. Quite a contrast.

1113 Marvo76  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 4:27:00pm

re: #883 ArmyWife

Hiya Honcos. I see CNN is still hanging on tightly to their faked video. It's really silly, you know? We are all aware these guys are full of fakery, all CNN had to do was post the retraction and say the content was "questionable" and they have chosen to air on the side of caution! That way they don't have to admit in public they are stupid.

Except when they refused to show the KurtW cartoon of Allah ith a bomb for a turban, then "out of sensativity for the Ismalists" they refused to air it...HYPOCRITS!

1114 Retired WM  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 4:27:07pm

2:50 left. Tie game. 10-10. Ack!

1115 ArmyWife  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 4:27:31pm

re: #1106 right Brain

The violence, which broke out in front of the Israeli Embassy, appeared to be led by a hard-core of masked and hooded youths.

This is problematic - those angry youths destroyed a Starbucks! The libs will be beside themselves in figuring out how to support them now!

1116 Truth Dr.  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 4:28:19pm

Dr. Shalit - Clearly FreedomCall is the official telecommunication provider to the Al Qaeda, Hezbollah, Jayaat al Islam, Hamas and other "religion of peace" terrorist organizations.

Mr Ramsey's nose is probably pretty brown from his dhimittuding.

1117 Bob Dillon  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 4:29:46pm

re: #1103 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Nice "soundtrack".
heh

Oo! some of those booms are a bit sudden.

1118 reine.de.tout  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 4:30:42pm

re: #1103 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Nice "soundtrack".
heh

yep.
What are we hearing?

1119 reine.de.tout  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 4:32:19pm

re: #1103 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Nice "soundtrack".
heh

What is that background noise?
The booms - I can guess.

1120 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 4:35:33pm

re: #1102 jwb7605

Didn't know that 211 and 24 had been merged.
Yeah, I found and checked the website. "Squat" is right.
Oh well.

You as a former crew chief would "appreciate" this: ... our crews were cleaning birds (during a time when the air wing was flying 20-to-22 hours a day). They set up an assembly line to save time, and were using a cocktail of solvents (MEK plus others) in a 5 gallon can, powered by compressed air, to blown places like the wheel wells and gear clean. The guy working the airgun was bundled up like a ... hell, I don't know what-all. He got a spray-back, and the "cocktail" got in somehow around his goggles.

I happened to be walking past the ladder from the hangar deck to sick bay when I heard screaming and friends yelling, "Make a hole!" The fellow was all but carried down that ladder and into sick bay. I may have been the one who jumped to open the sick bay door for them, don't quite remember.

Inside, a corpsman was dispensing a something-or-other medicine to another sailor, and told our people to have a seat. A doc stuck his head in, took one look, and ... "restructured" the corpsman's priorities.

I left at that point. Later, I was told by the guys who stayed that, when THEY left, the doctor was further back in sick bay, REAMING the corpsman out at greater-than-top volume.

1121 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 4:40:11pm

re: #1119 reine.de.tout

What is that background noise?
The booms - I can guess.

Sorry, reine, I was typing a long one there.

The buzzing/humming is motor/propellor noise -- VERRRY probably Israeli drones.

1122 path  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 4:41:10pm

re: #716 Opinionated

I was just reading Ralph Peters at the NY Post and something just struck me as I read his total defense of Israel that I felt compelled to come here and post this.

We Jews - especially in times like this- feel very alone. And in the onslaught against us, it is always comforting that there are Gentiles like Charles and Peters and most of the good people here who are steadfastly on our side.

To all you good people: Thank you.

The Israelis are good people and not only in this particular situation. So many seem uninformed about the realities of this whole situation - probably due to the MSM. God bless and be with the IDF and the people of Israel.

1123 Promethea  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 4:43:45pm

re: #990 Guanxi88

So here's the question of the day:

In a secret negotiation between the delegates of the Light-Worker and representatives of Fatah & Hamas - which side is least trustworthy, and which one will lie first, loudest, and biggest, about what was or wasn't agreed to?

Bwaaahaahaaahaa

1124 Sunlight  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 4:45:07pm

re: #1110 Dr. Shalit

Sunlight -

In the words of my "sainted" mother - DON'T ASK!

-S-

For example: [Link: www.timesonline.co.uk...]

1125 reine.de.tout  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 4:45:53pm

re: #1121 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Sorry, reine, I was typing a long one there.

The buzzing/humming is motor/propellor noise -- VERRRY probably Israeli drones.

OK, that's what I was wondering about. Didn't sound like jet planes, so I wasn't sure if it was an ineffective alarm system or what.

Gaza sure is dark. No lights anywhere from this viewpoint.

1126 JacksonTn  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 4:46:56pm

re: #1125 reine.de.tout

OK, that's what I was wondering about. Didn't sound like jet planes, so I wasn't sure if it was an ineffective alarm system or what.

Gaza sure is dark. No lights anywhere from this viewpoint.

Hey Reine ...did you or the Roi know anyone in the accident offshore last week? ...

1127 path  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 4:48:02pm

re: #1091 Bobibutu

Thank you - currently listening to the rooster crow on the first link. Morning has broken...

1128 Bob Dillon  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 4:50:12pm

re: #1121 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Sorry, reine, I was typing a long one there.

The buzzing/humming is motor/propellor noise -- VERRRY probably Israeli drones.

Thot there was a familiar wap-wap-wap-wap- of a "chopper" (helicopter) in there as well.

1129 reine.de.tout  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 4:51:40pm

re: #1126 JacksonTn

Hey Reine ...did you or the Roi know anyone in the accident offshore last week? ...

No we didn't. That was so awful.
The Roi flies out with that company when he goes to work. There are honestly very few accidents, considering those helicopters are flying from dawn to dusk every day.

1130 kayfromcarroll  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 4:52:01pm

re: #988 ArmyWife

I think Prince Harry is acting like any other 20-something who just happens to be in the military. Beats acting like the other stuffed-shirt Windsors any ol' day!

Too many people are WAYYY too sensitive these days.

You can tell by the tone of the voiceovers that he has a great rapport with his fellow men. Nothing seems to be derogatory, just good-natured insults by a bunch of youngsters. I see it all the time around my teen boys.

1131 reine.de.tout  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 4:52:12pm

re: #1127 path

Thank you - currently listening to the rooster crow on the first link. Morning has broken...

LOL!
I could not believe my ears when I heard the roosters!

1132 Bob Dillon  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 4:53:21pm

re: #1127 path

Thank you - currently listening to the rooster crow on the first link. Morning has broken...

Hmmm - I'm thinking we are getting re-runs - it's just before 3AM in Israel.

1133 reine.de.tout  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 4:53:39pm

re: #1130 kayfromcarroll

I think Prince Harry is acting like any other 20-something who just happens to be in the military. Beats acting like the other stuffed-shirt Windsors any ol' day!

Too many people are WAYYY too sensitive these days.

You can tell by the tone of the voiceovers that he has a great rapport with his fellow men. Nothing seems to be derogatory, just good-natured insults by a bunch of youngsters. I see it all the time around my teen boys.

I agree wholeheartedly. Thank goodness he got some personality, unlike dear old dad who just seems to be a complete bore.

1134 Lynn B.  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 4:54:54pm

re: #981 Bobibutu

I think he takes this seriously. After all he's running a production company - if his products are discredited or tainted for the MSM to use - significant revenue loss now and in the future. The stuff he produced in the past seemed to be for local consumption - small potatoes.

Maybe. But he contacted Charles around 9:30 pm (Gaza time) and asked for an opportunity to respond, he was set up with an account by 9:55 and must have indicated to Charles that he would be posting something shortly because a lot of us waiting with baited breath until just before 11 pm (Gaza time) when he emailed Charles and said he wouldn't be posting anything until "tomorrow." And then he added this: (see#425 Charles)

I hope you will sinmply close off this blog converation ocne you see the facts. Also please avoid allowing your bloggers to be hurtful to a person whose brother died - unless you really think he faked that ! The hospital has confirmed that the boy died and his name - see CNN report. Or did they make that up too?

Doesn't bode well.

1135 reine.de.tout  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 4:55:07pm

re: #1121 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Sorry, reine, I was typing a long one there.

The buzzing/humming is motor/propellor noise -- VERRRY probably Israeli drones.

That sound is so eerie. I would hate to be trying to sleep through that.

1136 JacksonTn  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 4:57:00pm

re: #1129 reine.de.tout

No we didn't. That was so awful.
The Roi flies out with that company when he goes to work. There are honestly very few accidents, considering those helicopters are flying from dawn to dusk every day.

In the early 70's when my father retired from the Navy Seals ..many of his buddies went to work in the oil business as divers in the oil business ...the Navy Seals at that time did their last days in Ft. Lauderdale and then they didn't know what to do so when the oil biz came around it was a good venture for them ...my father was burned really bad on a rig in the mid 80's when he was working for McDermott ...but he survived and went on to consult in the North Sea ... my parents lived in Aberdeen Scotland for many years and other places ... some pretty tough guys in the early oil biz offshore in the U.S. ...my best friend's husband still works offshore 3 weeks on and 3 off in the gulf ...it is just a way of life for some ...and she says he keeps her marriage alive ...LOL ...

1137 path  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 4:57:30pm

re: #1131 reine.de.tout

I was very surprised. I live in a urban area but no roosters here.

1138 Dr. Shalit  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 5:03:00pm

re: #1125 reine.de.tout

OK, that's what I was wondering about. Didn't sound like jet planes, so I wasn't sure if it was an ineffective alarm system or what.

Gaza sure is dark. No lights anywhere from this viewpoint.

"Queenie" -

GAZA as an "Ethnic Group" has WELL EARNED their darkness. As individuals, perhaps not so much. This may teach us what happens when individual rights go out and group rights come in.

-S-

1139 reine.de.tout  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 5:04:23pm

re: #1136 JacksonTn

In the early 70's when my father retired from the Navy Seals ..many of his buddies went to work in the oil business as divers in the oil business ...the Navy Seals at that time did their last days in Ft. Lauderdale and then they didn't know what to do so when the oil biz came around it was a good venture for them ...my father was burned really bad on a rig in the mid 80's when he was working for McDermott ...but he survived and went on to consult in the North Sea ... my parents lived in Aberdeen Scotland for many years and other places ... some pretty tough guys in the early oil biz offshore in the U.S. ...my best friend's husband still works offshore 3 weeks on and 3 off in the gulf ...it is just a way of life for some ...and she says he keeps her marriage alive ...LOL ...

So glad your father survived and then, apparently, thrived!

The Roi refuses to go overseas anywhere. The last time his company needed to send someone, they promised it would be a month - he didn't go, but the guy who did go was gone for 4 months. That's too long. The extra money is just not worth it.

The Roi's schedule is 14/14. His job has the aptly descriptive title of "mud engineer" LOL!

I miss him when he's gone and look forward to when he gets home but honestly, at the end of the 2 weeks - it's time for him to leave again! He gets bored after awhile; can't spend 2 whole weeks every month doing stuff in the yard or the house.

People ask me if I do or do not like the schedule and honestly - it isn't a matter of liking or not liking it, it's just the way things are and we manage and adapt.

1140 Bob Dillon  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 5:05:29pm

re: #1134 Lynn B.

Doesn't bode well.

Your points are well taken - I was lurking along at that time as well.

Still - his production co is his bread and butter. 10PM after a hard day in a war zone is hardly the time to start engaging folks intellectually when he has so much at stake.

I hope he gets some rest and logs on at a reasonable hour for us. I'm willing to be wrong but I expect him to show up and engage.

1141 swamprat  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 5:11:37pm

re: #918 reine.de.tout

If he narrated both versions, and it is obvious that they differ . . . well, honestly, I don't know what he could say that would make any sense at all.

Because they know good and well, that after the cameraman got his call that his brother was fatally wounded in a unarmed drone attack, he would have met the family at the hospital. He would not have gone home and said; "Yeah, he sure is wounded, let's get him to the hospital." Also the narrator covers for the fraud by sweeping the rigor mortise issue under the rug, by saying that there is no time for mourning etc. They want the story to go out, so that all may know their young brothers' story, yet there is no clear shot of his face. Nobody says much about Achmed, (he died too). Poor guy didn't even leave a corpse. And the names change from Ahmed to Achmed, and from Mahmoud to Macmoud. The carnage at the rooftop looks like a herd of cows exploded. And there were "scores of women and children" in the building because it was a "safehouse".

Let me know when Elvis shows up.

1142 Boot Hill  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 5:13:31pm

I'll consider my ol foldered, and my lolly gagged.

nice pic there wyatt...

1143 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 5:20:48pm

reine ... back in for a moment -- this thread's so slow for me, I've moved over to the latest.

That IS a wierd noise ... ooo, there went the swish of a jet.

Fact is, the average person there is safe.

/unless Hamas is using the basement of your apartment building as a munitions bunker

1144 buzzdroid  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 5:25:38pm

re: #1015 Luigi

remarkable - i thought the NY Times was a "liberal" newspaper!

thats the SECOND time they've reported on something that the entire MSM is ignoring. first time round it was about executions of "collaborators" in hospitals, by Hamas...

[Link: www.nytimes.com...]

(scroll down - final paragraphs on the first page..)

1145 buzzdroid  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 5:37:39pm

sky news (uk) - prince harry called some folks "[bigoted word]s" while on combat duty in afghanistan.

sky news is calling it an "embarassment"..

jeez - is this what we've come to? the guy was ON COMBAT DUTY... all sorts of expletives and horrible statements come out of the mouths of soldiers in combat that they would not dare say in civvie street...

if anything , it makes prince harry appear normal - like a normal british squaddie. irrespective of the ethnic background of british soldiers, the army slang for the Taliban IS "[bigoted word]".

much like "kraut" was used in WW2 by GI Joe. its entirely human if you are in combat - for if you humanise the enemy , how are you supposed to kill them?

1146 buzzdroid  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 5:38:58pm

ack - LGF filters turned what prince harry said into "arab"

it wasnt. it was
rag...

head...

might be offensive to a lot of folks, but this is just british army slang. brutal as it is..

1147 Gitarzan  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 6:00:54pm

re: #425 Charles

This is from Martin's email, I assume he wanted it to be passed on to our commenters since it addresses y'all:

If Mr. Martin wants to come out the gate asking that we "sinmply close off this blog converation ocne you see the facts" and the only "facts" available for this incident are only in a tape promulgated by his firm to CNN and Channel 4 and are not independently verifiable from any other source, he can just eat a huge bag of d**ks and choke on them.

Bastard's full of shit and he knows he and his Pallywood cohorts have been nailed to the wall on this...

1148 DaChew  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 6:05:25pm

I want to make sure I'm crystal clear on this Paul Martin dealy-oh. He, Paul Martin, the guy that presented CNN with the video that we all believe is packed with lies, is going to present to us, here, the "facts"? And once he presents us with the "facts", he expects LGF to drop the matter? He's actually going to present "facts" so bullet-proof and beyond reproach on an internet forum that nobody, or at least the majority of posters, will think they could possibly be anything but more lies.

Wow. I've got to see this. This is going to be the single greatest forum post in all of history.

1149 NY Nana  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 6:08:00pm

Drive by post..Gary Sinise special is on Foxnews channel now, visiting the troops in Iraq.

G-d bless him, and our troops. He is a mensch!

BBL.

1150 Gitarzan  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 6:14:02pm

re: #576 jcm

Mr. Martin,

You ask me to respect the dead.

When the circumstances around the attack on the boys does requires us to believe in weapons which do not exist.
When the the hospital scene is highly questionable to every medical professional we've talked with that's seen in, myself included.

For us to accept the death of the young man we have to accept an improbable attack scenario, and the questionable hospital video. Those things bring into question the cause of death, his treatment, and the time and place of any alleged death.

You expect us to accept the boys death at face value with all that?

Yes, he does...

1151 Dar ul Harb  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 7:20:53pm

re: #965 rightwinger3

Regardless the story stinks. freedomplow posted this yesterday. I think it's significant. In it Mashharawi is identified as a "TV producer contracted by NBC news". Not as a "cameraman filming the death of his brother". The NBC clip aired Jan 4th. CNN and CH4 Jan 9th.

I encountered a similar discrepancy in my investigation of the legendary "Qana Ambulance incident"[some graphic images], in which a missile or missiles fired from IDF helicopters are alleged to have struck a Lebanese ambulance after it passed passed through the UNIFIL Amriyya checkpoint near the village of Hinniyeh in southern Lebanon on April 13, 1996, and which coincidentally also aired on CNN (although the video was shot by a Reuters stringer).

Initial reporting on the Qana ambulance incident by Doug Struck of the Baltimore Sun identified the driver of the ambulance as one Khoder Ghazal, who from that report was "transporting villagers fleeing Israeli attacks in southern Lebanon." In later reporting, the ambulance driver was variously identified as farmer Abbas Jiha, or Abbas Mdehli, who was also a part-time ambulance driver, and in a heart-rending twist, was also the father of at least one of the children allegedly killed in the attack.

1152 Dar ul Harb  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 7:32:47pm

Slight correction: The story that identified the driver as Khoder Ghazal was filed by UPI stringer Mohammed Darweesh.


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