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Open | Sat, Jan 10, 2009 at 10:46:21 pm PST

Col. Edwards: You speak of solarbonite, but just what is it?

Eros: Take a can of your gasoline. Say this can of gasoline is the sun. Now you spread a thin line of it to a ball, representing the Earth. Now, the gasoline represents the sunlight, the sun particles. Here we saturate the ball with the gasoline, the sunlight. Then we put a flame to the ball. The flame will speedily travel around the Earth, back along the line of gasoline to the can, or the sun itself. It will explode this source, and spread to every place that gasoline, or sunlight, touches. Explode the sunlight here, Gentlemen, and you explode the universe. Explode the sunlight here, and a chain reaction will occur, direct to the sun itself. And to all the planets that sunlight touches. To every planet in the universe. This is why you must be stopped. This is why any means must be used to stop you. In a friendly manner, or as it seems, you want it.

— Plan 9 from Outer Space

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1 Erik The Red  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 10:48:24pm

Maybe they should take some gasoline to Gaza.

2 WindHorse  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 10:48:43pm

yes-yes, you told Brandt on the phone.....and he told me....

3 Kragar (proud to be kafir)  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 10:50:10pm

PULL THE STRING!

4 Occasional Reader  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 10:50:14pm

I'm beginning to suspect that Plan 9 is not entirely scientifically accurate.

5 Kragar (proud to be kafir)  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 10:50:45pm

re: #4 Occasional Reader

I'm beginning to suspect that Plan 9 is not entirely scientifically accurate.

Thats because all you of Earth are idiots!

6 Salem  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 10:51:22pm

Never use a cell phone while handling solaranite. Do not run your engine while handling solaranite. If you get solaranite in your eyes, flush with hydrochloric acid until the burning stops.

7 Kragar (proud to be kafir)  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 10:52:12pm

MST3K presents Ed Woods last "legit" movie

The Sinister Urge

8 Occasional Reader  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 10:52:19pm

re: #4 Occasional Reader

I'm beginning to suspect that Plan 9 is not entirely scientifically accurate.

Then again, it's more scientifically sound than An Inconvenient Truth.

9 LGoPs  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 10:52:33pm

re: #6 Salem

Never use a cell phone while handling solaranite. Do not run your engine while handling solaranite. If you get solaranite in your eyes, flush with hydrochloric acid until the burning stops.

And never, ever taunt solaranite........

10 LGoPs  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 10:53:19pm

re: #8 Occasional Reader

Then again, it's more scientifically sound than An Inconvenient Truth.

I think they both have the same technical advisor........

11 Occasional Reader  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 10:56:24pm

Good night.

12 JamesTKirk  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 10:56:53pm

I love clicking on the various links on the top of the front page (I skim through the links whenever I have a little free time, even if I don't have time for commenting).

However, I'm really getting sick and tired of those few blogs that have audio clips (with or without video, relevant or not to the post at hand) which autoplays when you access the page. Audio content should never autoplay.

13 Erik The Red  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 10:57:29pm

Lots of noise on the webcam. Little else.

14 Erik The Red  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 10:59:19pm

re: #13 Erik The Red

Lots of noise on the webcam. Little else.

Forgot. Morning Lizards of the LNDT.

15 JamesTKirk  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 10:59:43pm

re: #8 Occasional Reader

Then again, it's more scientifically sound than An Inconvenient Truth.

When The Day After Tomorrow came out, and some people were treating it as if it were a documentary (a real one, not one by Gore or Moore), I liked to refer to Independence Day as Roland Emmerich's most scientifically accurate film.

16 notutopia  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 11:00:35pm

Solaranite....

Space Storm Could be Catastrophic on Earth, Study Concludes
[Link: www.space.com...]

But have no fear...They're watching....
[Link: www.azcentral.com...]

17 Noam Sayin'  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 11:02:04pm

Repost from last thread...

Running away with the prize for Best Pet Blog, F*ck You, Penguin.


Act quickly, Tiger.



The cunning, evil piglets run to the tiger, smothering her with their small hooves and short snouts. Made weak by the cuteness of the piglets (and undoubtedly aware of the fact that she is only making the situation worse by being in the picture herself), she reaches out her paw, licking her lips, grasping for an errant piglet she can stuff in her mouth. That would really ruin the moment, she thinks to herself, desperate for some way - any way - out of this moment of terrifying cross-species affection. But alas, the piglet turns, just out of the desperate tiger's reach. And as the piglets climb towards the tiger's belly and begin playing with her tail, her moment has passed. All is lost. Fuck you, Piglets..., the tiger thinks to herself, just as she loses consciousness.

We fucking get it, Gazelle

Jesus Christ, Gazelle, talk about overkill. Basically the only thing I know about you is that you get eaten a lot, so I already have a pretty sympathetic view towards you. Then you take this picture where you are standing one way but you bend your head the other way and then look at the camera, which I get, it's all very nice. So what's with all the birds? What, are you running for office? How fucking long must you have had to stand there until you got that many birds in just the right place? YOU LOOK DESPERATE FOR AFFECTION, GAZELLE. No one wants to be forced into feeling like they should like you. You have to do the leg work, Gazelle. Stop taking the easy way out.

18 pat  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 11:02:21pm
Eros: Take a can of your gasoline. Say this can of gasoline is the sun. Now you ..........

So. Do you have any safety tips?

19 JamesTKirk  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 11:03:22pm

Speaking of An Inconvenient Former Vice President, check out today's Day by Day Cartoon.

(reference for those of a non-literary bent)

20 x-wing  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 11:04:16pm

re: #13 Erik The Red

Lots of noise on the webcam. Little else.

It seems like it takes a while for the fog to lift off the Med. Sea.

21 realwest  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 11:04:38pm

I have to say that I've never seen Plan 9 from Outer Space!
Obviously it's one of Charles fav's though cause he sure quotes from it a lot! LOL!

22 Bobibutu  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 11:05:52pm

One of these days I must watch Plan 9 ... It must really be something with all the quotes leading on open threads.

23 gmsc  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 11:06:07pm

re: #19 JamesTKirk

Speaking of An Inconvenient Former Vice President, check out today's Day by Day Cartoon.

(reference for those of a non-literary bent)

Saved and favorited!

24 BlueCanuck  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 11:06:22pm

re: #14 Erik The Red

Forgot. Morning Lizards of the LNDT.

Morning Erik. How goes things with you today?

25 Bobibutu  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 11:07:10pm

re: #21 realwest

I have to say that I've never seen Plan 9 from Outer Space!
Obviously it's one of Charles fav's though cause he sure quotes from it a lot! LOL!

I guess our era just missed it.

Time to catch up?

26 gmsc  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 11:07:27pm

re: #22 Bobibutu

One of these days I must watch Plan 9 ... It must really be something with all the quotes leading on open threads.

Here you go (warning - it is almost universally considered to be the worst movie ever):

Google Video

27 realwest  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 11:07:29pm

re: #19 JamesTKirk
Hey Cap'n - I really like Day by Day a lot, but I have to confess that I didn't get that one.

28 LGoPs  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 11:08:02pm

re: #22 Bobibutu

One of these days I must watch Plan 9 ... It must really be something with all the quotes leading on open threads.

It sounds like it would have been a good topic for Mystery Science Theater 3000..........anybody know?

29 Bobibutu  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 11:08:41pm

re: #26 gmsc

Here you go (warning - it is almost universally considered to be the worst movie ever):


[Video]

Oh - thank you so much - now where did I put my beer and pizza?

30 realwest  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 11:09:06pm

re: #25 Bobibutu
Nah, thanks - I don't have enough time for that, but feel free to catch up with it and tell me all about it! LOL!

31 notutopia  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 11:09:42pm

re: #22 Bobibutu

One of these days I must watch Plan 9 ... It must really be something with all the quotes leading on open threads.


I ordered the 6 pack DVD, Best of Ed Wood from Amazon.
I'm saving the best for the rainy days ahead.
I recommend seeing Plan 9 it's very underrated and very humorous.

32 JamesTKirk  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 11:10:08pm

re: #27 realwest

Hey Cap'n - I really like Day by Day a lot, but I have to confess that I didn't get that one.

That's why I included the reference link.

The cartoon is a reference to "Ozymandius" by Percy Bysshe Shelley, which is quoted on the base of the statue.

I met a traveller from an antique land
Who said: Two vast and trunkless legs of stone
Stand in the desert. Near them on the sand,
Half sunk, a shatter'd visage lies, whose frown
And wrinkled lip and sneer of cold command
Tell that its sculptor well those passions read
Which yet survive, stamp'd on these lifeless things,
The hand that mock'd them and the heart that fed.
And on the pedestal these words appear:
"My name is Ozymandias, king of kings:
Look on my works, ye Mighty, and despair!"
Nothing beside remains: round the decay
Of that colossal wreck, boundless and bare,
The lone and level sands stretch far away.

33 Bobibutu  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 11:10:14pm

re: #30 realwest

Nah, thanks - I don't have enough time for that, but feel free to catch up with it and tell me all about it! LOL!

Will do buddy - :-)

34 x-wing  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 11:10:49pm

Are they into their 3 hour daily cease fire right now? I was expecting a little more hostilities than this.

35 gmsc  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 11:11:06pm

re: #28 LGoPs

It sounds like it would have been a good topic for Mystery Science Theater 3000..........anybody know?

According to this, MST3K has done it.

36 Bobibutu  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 11:11:42pm

re: #26 gmsc

Here you go (warning - it is almost universally considered to be the worst movie ever):


[Video]

Linkey no work

*sob*

37 Neo Con since 9-11  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 11:11:54pm

re: #28 LGoPs

It sounds like it would have been a good topic for Mystery Science Theater 3000..........anybody know?

It would have. MST3K never did an episode dedicated to Plan 9 but the lead actor from MST3K did a very funny commentary on the Plan 9 DVD.

38 JamesTKirk  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 11:11:58pm

I have Plan 9 on VHS somewhere, but I've never gotten all the way through it... Probably because I've only ever seen parts of it sober.

39 gmsc  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 11:13:48pm

re: #36 Bobibutu

Linkey no work

*sob*

It's not a link - it's a video that should play right here on LGF. Do you have flash installed?

Here's a direct link to the movie

40 LGoPs  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 11:13:53pm

re: #35 gmsc

Thanks.

41 Salem  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 11:14:44pm

re: #35 gmsc

According to this, MST3K has done it.

No, Mike Nelson did the Commentary for the Legend release. But I recommend the Wade Williams release for the great documentary Flying Saucers Over Hollywood which covers every aspect of the movie exhaustively.

And it really isn't for everyone. If you're over 30 and have never heard of it then bad movies probably aren't your thing to begin with.

42 gmsc  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 11:14:47pm

re: #40 LGoPs

Thanks.

You're welcome. As I understand it, there's no recorded show of it, as they've been traveling around to (mostly) college towns, and doing the whole thing live.

43 notutopia  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 11:15:19pm

Time for some shut eye.
Good night lizards.

44 Bobibutu  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 11:15:29pm

re: #39 gmsc

It's not a link - it's a video that should play right here on LGF. Do you have flash installed?

Here's a direct link to the movie

Yes thanks - I need to make a report to RW on this ASAP!

45 pat  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 11:16:43pm

One truly has to empathize with Plane 9. to appreciate it. The burning disposable pie pan, actually a UFO, is the premier special effect. And while it is 30 years and a bong ago, it remains memorable.

46 Kragar (proud to be kafir)  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 11:16:55pm

re: #35 gmsc

According to this, MST3K has done it.

Rifftrax is their downloadable DVD commentaries. They never did it on MST3k.

47 realwest  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 11:17:11pm

re: #44 Bobibutu
Nah, y'all don't have to rush on my account. Relax when you watch it. Savor it. Then ya can give me the Cliff's Notes version! LOL!

48 Pietr  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 11:17:11pm

Getting the sounds of some autofire in the distance now.......G'Morning Lizard Nation....

49 Bobibutu  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 11:17:37pm

re: #39 gmsc

It's not a link - it's a video that should play right here on LGF. Do you have flash installed?

Here's a direct link to the movie

This guy might have made it as a preacher.

50 Render  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 11:18:28pm

re: #34 x-wing

There is quite a bit of automatic weapons fire in the distance. Long bursts are terrorists, short controlled bursts and single shots are IDF. Usually...

I don't this mist is going to burn off. It's not mist, it's smoke and dust.

Still hearing occasional tank rounds and the buzz of drones as well.

NOT
HOLLYWOOD,
R

51 winston06  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 11:18:32pm

good night folks

52 gmsc  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 11:18:37pm

re: #49 Bobibutu

This guy might have made it as a preacher.

Nah, not over-the-top enough.
;)

53 Kosh's Shadow  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 11:18:41pm

re: #6 Salem

Never use a cell phone while handling solaranite. Do not run your engine while handling solaranite. If you get solaranite in your eyes, flush with hydrochloric acid until the burning stops.

Do not taunt solaranite.
I think that is what "happy fun ball" is made of.

54 Spiny Norman  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 11:18:44pm

re: #27 realwest

Hey Cap'n - I really like Day by Day a lot, but I have to confess that I didn't get that one.

Ozymandias

I met a traveller from an antique land
Who said: Two vast and trunkless legs of stone
Stand in the desert. Near them on the sand,
Half sunk, a shatter'd visage lies, whose frown
And wrinkled lip and sneer of cold command
Tell that its sculptor well those passions read
Which yet survive, stamp'd on these lifeless things,
The hand that mock'd them and the heart that fed.
And on the pedestal these words appear:
"My name is Ozymandias, king of kings:
Look on my works, ye Mighty, and despair!"
Nothing beside remains: round the decay
Of that colossal wreck, boundless and bare,
The lone and level sands stretch far away.

Al Gore's hubris, whose works are, well, both arrogant and fleeting.

The world is unmoved.

55 Killian Bundy  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 11:19:12pm

Revealed: the environmental impact of Google searches

Performing two Google searches from a desktop computer can generate about the same amount of carbon dioxide as boiling a kettle for a cup of tea, according to new research.

While millions of people tap into Google without considering the environment, a typical search generates about 7g of CO2 Boiling a kettle generates about 15g. “Google operates huge data centres around the world that consume a great deal of power,” said Alex Wissner-Gross, a Harvard University physicist whose research on the environmental impact of computing is due out soon. “A Google search has a definite environmental impact.”

/but, but, are they worse than cattle farting?

56 realwest  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 11:19:20pm

re: #48 Pietr Morning Pietr!
Glad you showed up, need someone to stand watch!
It was really an interesting experiment for Charles but for hours it was like watching paint dry or grass grow, ya know?! LOL!

57 least  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 11:20:07pm

This is incredible.
I love APOD.
I'm proud to be from a nation that enables (at least until The One is in place ) projects like Cassini.
This image isn'tr captioned, so take note of that little dot at the left - near the top of the rings - that's us, the Big Blue Marble!

58 JamesTKirk  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 11:20:15pm

re: #51 winston06

good night folks

I should have been asleep hours ago.

59 Noam Sayin'  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 11:20:54pm

This guy is funny, whoever it is.

Puffin hoax revealed!


There's nothing more obnoxious than a fake animal that tries to pass itself off as an authentic member of the animal world. Puffins are maybe the biggest offenders when it comes to this, even going so far as to pretend to take pictures with humans and hang out in places like Iceland where no normal person can confirm that they were really there. (Like Iceland is a real place, anyway. "Björk" is from there!) Take a look at this clearly computer generated motherfucker above. Of course, he tries to blend into the scenery by standing by a rock in some grass, but do you see it? The only shadow is from the rock. IF YOU'RE SO REAL, PUFFIN, WHERE'S YOUR FUCKING SHADOW. Busted, Puffin. Now go back to living inside a fucking 8-year-old girl's head.
60 Kosh's Shadow  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 11:21:24pm

re: #48 Pietr

Getting the sounds of some autofire in the distance now.......G'Morning Lizard Nation....

The sound of gunfire off in the distance
I'm getting used to it now

Youtube Video

61 suitepotato  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 11:21:36pm

re: #26 gmsc

Worst movie ever? Compared to An Inconvenient Truth? Wait. Think. Plan 9 might be actually Mistied but AIC has no such saving grace of providing an inadvertent straight man to a space janitor and two robots. Is that kudos for Al Gore or another damnation?

62 Bobibutu  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 11:22:13pm

re: #47 realwest

Nah, y'all don't have to rush on my account. Relax when you watch it. Savor it. Then ya can give me the Cliff's Notes version! LOL!

Ah what the hell - there's a lull in international BS - pirates drowned - waiting for action in Gaza and CNN just digging in deeper. Cliff Notes to you when finished -

Flt 812 seems to have a problem ...

63 Pietr  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 11:22:19pm

re: #56 realwest

Morning Pietr!
Glad you showed up, need someone to stand watch!
It was really an interesting experiment for Charles but for hours it was like watching paint dry or grass grow, ya know?! LOL!

I didn't notice the slider for volume control until about 5 mins ago-so only just got sound. And when the link rebuffers, it takes forever to come back....

64 realwest  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 11:22:27pm

re: #58 JamesTKirk
I hear you Cap'n Kirk! There were flashes of some semi-cool stuff, but I'm more tired than I would be if I hadn't been watching pretty much the same thing over and over and over again!
Good night, sleep well!

65 x-wing  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 11:22:39pm

re: #50 Render

There is quite a bit of automatic weapons fire in the distance. Long bursts are terrorists, short controlled bursts and single shots are IDF. Usually...

I don't this mist is going to burn off. It's not mist, it's smoke and dust.

Still hearing occasional tank rounds and the buzz of drones as well.

NOT
HOLLYWOOD,
R

Thanks turned volume up. Now I can hear better. I wasn't expecting Blackhawk Down, but now I hear it.

As far as fog, it looked alot clearer this morning or was that just the camera angle?

66 Bobibutu  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 11:22:56pm

re: #52 gmsc

Nah, not over-the-top enough.
;)

Granted - he needed more pizzaz.

67 Render  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 11:23:13pm

The rising sun is on the left side of the buildings.

Current camera shot is facing south by southeast.

The fighting we're hearing now is south of Gaza City. Four hours ago in the dark it was north of Gaza City.

PROGRESS,
R

68 JamesTKirk  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 11:23:58pm

re: #59 Noam Sayin'

Like Iceland is a real place, anyway. "Björk" is from there!

Some is mocking Björk?

The Björk Song

69 realwest  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 11:24:36pm

And I too am going to sleep now. I hope you all have a great EARLY EVENING/EARLY MORNING and that I get the chance to see you all down the road.


Good night, all.

70 JamesTKirk  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 11:24:58pm

re: #61 suitepotato

Worst movie ever? Compared to An Inconvenient Truth? Wait. Think. Plan 9 might be actually Mistied but AIC has no such saving grace of providing an inadvertent straight man to a space janitor and two robots. Is that kudos for Al Gore or another damnation?

I liked the critics who called Battlefield Earth "Plan 9 From Outer Space for a new generation."

71 Spiny Norman  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 11:25:46pm

re: #59 Noam Sayin'

This guy is funny, whoever it is.

Puffin hoax revealed!

Heh. That reminds me of a plot line in the old Bloom County strip about whether Opus was actually a puffin and not a penguin.

72 Bobibutu  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 11:26:05pm

re: #70 JamesTKirk

I liked the critics who called Battlefield Earth "Plan 9 From Outer Space for a new generation."

Damn - I missed that one too.

73 x-wing  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 11:26:12pm

re: #69 realwest

Later realwest.

74 JamesTKirk  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 11:26:27pm

re: #71 Spiny Norman

Heh. That reminds me of a plot line in the old Bloom County strip about whether Opus was actually a puffin and not a penguin.

And Binkley was actually a carrot.

75 pat  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 11:26:46pm

Fox said today that the drones were firing Hellfires. Must be dummies if all the missiles could do is move a brick and blow up a kid playing on the roof./

76 Pietr  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 11:27:01pm

View change-YAY....the old 1 was getting stale.....

77 JamesTKirk  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 11:27:07pm

re: #72 Bobibutu

Damn - I missed that one too.

I read the book. It was hilariously awful.

I didn't watch the movie, because I'm told it was simply awful.

78 Salem  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 11:27:13pm

re: #70 JamesTKirk

I liked the critics who called Battlefield Earth "Plan 9 From Outer Space for a new generation."

I tried to read Battlefield earth when I was fifteen after a cousin of mine gave me the book. It sUUUUUUUcked. Got about 1/3 through before I gave up. Did I mention it sucked?

79 x-wing  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 11:27:30pm

re: #68 JamesTKirk

Some is mocking Björk?

The Björk Song

Booooo, I was expecting the Swedish Chef ;>}

80 Kragar (proud to be kafir)  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 11:27:33pm

re: #72 Bobibutu

Damn - I missed that one too.

I wouldn't say you missed anything.

81 JamesTKirk  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 11:28:10pm

re: #78 Salem

I tried to read Battlefield earth when I was fifteen after a cousin of mine gave me the book. It sUUUUUUUcked. Got about 1/3 through before I gave up. Did I mention it sucked?

I couldn't stop laughing at it. You just had to have the right mindset (the same mindset that allows you to enjoy Plan 9, for instance).

82 Render  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 11:28:47pm

Camera change. This one is facing north, toward where the previous fighting was.

A lot less smoke.

IF YA
GOTTUM,
R

83 realwest  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 11:29:54pm

re: #73 x-wing
Yep, oh and I forgot - if y'all haven't voted for Best Conservative Blog in the last 24 hours, please go and vote for LGF here:
[Link: 2008.weblogawards.org...]
Thankew!

84 Bobibutu  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 11:30:03pm

re: #77 JamesTKirk

I read the book. It was hilariously awful.

I didn't watch the movie, because I'm told it was simply awful.

I toughed it out of about 2 minutes of Archie Bunker and his chair before giving up - this has "suspense" - a real hook.

And I want to know WTF Charles is on about.
/

85 gmsc  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 11:30:04pm

re: #19 JamesTKirk

Speaking of An Inconvenient Former Vice President, check out today's Day by Day Cartoon.

(reference for those of a non-literary bent)

Did you notice the last external link in that wikipedia article?
;)

86 Spiny Norman  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 11:30:18pm

re: #75 pat

Fox said today that the drones were firing Hellfires. Must be dummies if all the missiles could do is move a brick and blow up a kid playing on the roof./

I really hate it when Media "experts" clearly know far less than your average video gamer.

87 SurferDoc  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 11:30:18pm

Good evening, NightLizards! I see we are doing Plan 9 again. So be it.

88 Salem  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 11:30:18pm

re: #81 JamesTKirk

I couldn't stop laughing at it. You just had to have the right mindset (the same mindset that allows you to enjoy Plan 9, for instance).

At that age I labored under the assumption that bad things are never good.

89 JamesTKirk  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 11:30:55pm

re: #64 realwest

I hear you Cap'n Kirk! There were flashes of some semi-cool stuff, but I'm more tired than I would be if I hadn't been watching pretty much the same thing over and over and over again!
Good night, sleep well!

Unfortunately, I'm still wide awake. I was busy working on a couple of projects and didn't notice how the time had flown. My brain just needs to power down from the intense activity, and it hasn't yet.

90 Spiny Norman  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 11:32:11pm

re: #85 gmsc

Did you notice the last external link in that wikipedia article?
;)

Whoa! That wasn't there when I opened it a few minutes ago.

I refreshed the page and "poof", there it was.

91 Render  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 11:32:11pm

re: #86 Spiny Norman

Hey, I'm an above average videogamer! I go all the way back to the three lives for a quarter days.

RESENTFUL,
R

92 Bobibutu  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 11:32:40pm

"Is he dead?"

Oh my, the graveyard scene is a hoot.

93 SurferDoc  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 11:32:49pm

Battlefield Earth was crap-lousy.

94 gmsc  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 11:33:10pm

re: #79 x-wing

Booooo, I was expecting the Swedish Chef ;>}

GMTA!

Here you go:

Youtube Video

95 gmsc  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 11:33:46pm

re: #90 Spiny Norman

Whoa! That wasn't there when I opened it a few minutes ago.

I refreshed the page and "poof", there it was.

Of course it wasn't. I just put it there.

96 Cheeseland  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 11:34:11pm

re: #82 Render

Camera change. This one is facing north, toward where the previous fighting was.

A lot less smoke.

IF YA
GOTTUM,
R

Ok now I have a picture but no sound.

Wait car horns honking a tall building on the left and shorter ones to the right

97 JamesTKirk  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 11:34:14pm

re: #84 Bobibutu

I toughed it out of about 2 minutes of Archie Bunker and his chair before giving up - this has "suspense" - a real hook.

And I want to know WTF Charles is on about.
/

As I said, I've never made it all the way through Plan 9 From Outer Space because I've never tried watching it in a non-sober state.

For some movies, alcohol (or whatever substance Charles is using) is a prerequisite. My wife and I tried to watch Moulin Rouge on DVD once. We had to stop it and hit the vodka (hard) before we could watch and enjoy the rest of it.

98 freetoken  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 11:35:08pm

re: #97 JamesTKirk

I too have never been able to sit through the whole thing.

99 Bobibutu  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 11:35:19pm

Nice cleavage but Elvira tops it.

[Link: questionthedogma.com...]

100 JamesTKirk  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 11:35:20pm

re: #85 gmsc

Did you notice the last external link in that wikipedia article?
;)

I don't think that was there yet when I first pulled up the Wiki article.

Somebody is a fast worker.

101 BlueCanuck  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 11:35:54pm

re: #70 JamesTKirk

I liked the critics who called Battlefield Earth "Plan 9 From Outer Space for a new generation."

Obviously they hadn't see "Highlander 2: The Quickening". Worst movie I have ever seen. Even sat through the whole thing. Best investment I ever made. I had no further desire to see anything else in the Highlander universe at all. The first one still rocks and nothing comes afterwards. :)

102 gmsc  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 11:36:18pm

re: #99 Bobibutu

Nice cleavage but Elvira tops it.

[Link: questionthedogma.com...]

If you like Elvira, you'll love the movie "Working Girls".
;)

103 Inquisitive  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 11:36:19pm

I have watched and listened to the Gazacam for 3 hrs.....this is so surreal...seen the sun rise over an area that I would never even dream of being able to see......listened to bombs going off....gun fire....the droning of the drones and they continued to pass over and over.......and then the ususal city noises of a city awakening and the citizens going off on their usual every day way...roosters crowing and horns honking....people hollering back and forth, loud trucks passing by....and even what sounded like a horse....clodding down the street. The mixture of all this is just so hard to grasp......

104 gmsc  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 11:36:27pm

re: #100 JamesTKirk

I don't think that was there yet when I first pulled up the Wiki article.

Somebody is a fast worker.

Thanks.

105 Render  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 11:36:28pm

re: #96 Cheeseland

Yes, and on the bottom left is a busy intersection with foot and car traffic.

SOME
CAMP,
R

106 JamesTKirk  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 11:36:34pm

re: #95 gmsc

Of course it wasn't. I just put it there.

Better you than me. I don't want to get involved with editing Wikipedia.

107 SurferDoc  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 11:37:01pm

re: #101 BlueCanuck

Obviously they hadn't see "Highlander 2: The Quickening". Worst movie I have ever seen. Even sat through the whole thing. Best investment I ever made. I had no further desire to see anything else in the Highlander universe at all. The first one still rocks and nothing comes afterwards. :)

God-awful. I thought the freakin thing would never end.

108 wiffersnapper  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 11:37:11pm

Plan 9 is EPIC

109 BlueCanuck  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 11:37:49pm

re: #99 Bobibutu

Nice cleavage but Elvira tops it.

[Link: questionthedogma.com...]

*blink blink* If I haven't said this yet. . . . .Goood Morning.

/*channelling Animaniacs* Hellllllooooooooo Nurse. :)

110 Bobibutu  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 11:37:58pm

re: #97 JamesTKirk

As I said, I've never made it all the way through Plan 9 From Outer Space because I've never tried watching it in a non-sober state.

For some movies, alcohol (or whatever substance Charles is using) is a prerequisite. My wife and I tried to watch Moulin Rouge on DVD once. We had to stop it and hit the vodka (hard) before we could watch and enjoy the rest of it.

What would we do without alcohol? No disrespect to those who gave it up.

111 Cheeseland  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 11:38:13pm

re: #105 Render

Yes, and on the bottom left is a busy intersection with foot and car traffic.

SOME
CAMP,
R

Ok I lost sound again.

112 JamesTKirk  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 11:38:22pm

re: #101 BlueCanuck

Obviously they hadn't see "Highlander 2: The Quickening". Worst movie I have ever seen. Even sat through the whole thing. Best investment I ever made. I had no further desire to see anything else in the Highlander universe at all. The first one still rocks and nothing comes afterwards. :)

Highlander - there should have been only one.

I can watch the first movie over and over, but I don't own or have any desire to watch any of the other movies or series. None of what I saw of them was worth tarnishing the first movie over.

113 mean Gene  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 11:39:01pm

When are ''morning prayer'' calls?
It seems the loudspeakers were on higher in Europe when I was there and here in a few cities than they are in Gaza!

114 Kragar (proud to be kafir)  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 11:39:29pm

re: #113 mean Gene

When are ''morning prayer'' calls?
It seems the loudspeakers were on higher in Europe when I was there and here in a few cities than they are in Gaza!

They did those hours ago, with a rooster

115 Render  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 11:39:46pm

re: #113 mean Gene

About three hours ago, shortly before sun break.

SLEEPY
HEAD,
R

116 JamesTKirk  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 11:40:15pm

re: #107 SurferDoc

God-awful. I thought the freakin thing would never end.

And then they re-cut Highlander II, to change the Immortals from aliens to time travellers or some such, and it still sucked. There was absolutely no saving that movie at all.

It's telling that the subsequent movies (the ones I saw, which is not all of them) pretend that Highlander II never existed.

117 mean Gene  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 11:40:19pm

Oh, I thought you all meant a real rooster.
It was code for prayer calls?
Silly me!

118 x-wing  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 11:41:17pm

re: #94 gmsc

Thanks, love that guy.

BTW, what does GTMA stand for. I see you guys use it all the time but I never figured it out.

119 Render  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 11:41:25pm

Camera moved again.

ROUGH
JOB,
R

120 JamesTKirk  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 11:41:50pm

re: #110 Bobibutu

What would we do without alcohol? No disrespect to those who gave it up.

There are perfectly valid reasons to give up alcohol. None of them occur to me at the moment.

//some psychotic "prophet" of a deranged desert moon god is certainly not a valid reason for giving up alcohol, not that most of them do anyway,

121 Cheeseland  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 11:41:55pm

According to the New York Times the hamas command bunker is directly beneath the biggest hospital in Gaza.

122 Kragar (proud to be kafir)  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 11:42:00pm

re: #118 x-wing

Thanks, love that guy.

BTW, what does GTMA stand for. I see you guys use it all the time but I never figured it out.

Gonna touch my ass?

123 mean Gene  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 11:42:15pm

Did you just see the donkey-driven cart go by?
That was weird.

124 JamesTKirk  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 11:42:43pm

re: #118 x-wing

Thanks, love that guy.

BTW, what does GTMA stand for. I see you guys use it all the time but I never figured it out.

"Great minds think alike"

Whenever anyone says that to me, I add "and so do ours".

125 gmsc  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 11:43:03pm

re: #106 JamesTKirk

Better you than me. I don't want to get involved with editing Wikipedia.

I figure that one of two things happen - either it's left up there for people to enjoy, or someone takes it down. I don't care either way.

Yes, I suppose they could change the link itself, but that's effectively taking the old link down.

126 JamesTKirk  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 11:43:10pm

re: #122 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

Gonna touch my ass?

Sulu? Is that you?

127 funky chicken  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 11:43:15pm

Wow, I'm glad there's lizards awake. My daughter's having a friend over for a sleepover. They were so hyper for several hours that I about drove down to Walgreens to buy a home drug test kit.

128 Bobibutu  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 11:43:53pm

Uh Oh - Electrode Guns - holy moly.

Pillows keep you company on lonely nights - that could have been the first intelligent comment in the film.

/

129 Spiny Norman  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 11:43:58pm

re: #95 gmsc

Of course it wasn't. I just put it there.

Oh, you scamp.

130 funky chicken  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 11:44:35pm

re: #121 Cheeseland

According to the New York Times the hamas command bunker is directly beneath the biggest hospital in Gaza.

The NYT? Wow, Jimmuh Cahtuh may be Hamas's only remaining friend.

131 BlueCanuck  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 11:44:54pm

re: #116 JamesTKirk

Like I said. I never wasted a single minute watching any of the other movies, or even the t.v. show. Best hour and a half I wasted. Saved me numerous other hours to waste watching other bad sci-fi movies. ;)

/one friend said that I had the worst picks of movies ever. Unintentional too.

132 Kragar (proud to be kafir)  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 11:45:09pm

re: #126 JamesTKirk

Sulu? Is that you?

This one is for Sulu

133 Bobibutu  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 11:45:32pm

re: #120 JamesTKirk

There are perfectly valid reasons to give up alcohol. None of them occur to me at the moment.

//some psychotic "prophet" of a deranged desert moon god is certainly not a valid reason for giving up alcohol, not that most of them do anyway,

Is that a direct quote from Plan 9?

134 JamesTKirk  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 11:46:53pm

re: #132 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

This one is for Sulu

ding+ ding+ ding+

135 LGoPs  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 11:47:23pm

re: #113 mean Gene

When are ''morning prayer'' calls?
It seems the loudspeakers were on higher in Europe when I was there and here in a few cities than they are in Gaza!

Just before dawn I believe......

136 JamesTKirk  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 11:48:02pm

re: #133 Bobibutu

Is that a direct quote from Plan 9?

Nope. Just me, baby. Just me.

/that, however, is a direct quote from Bruce Campbell in Army of Darkness, a cult movie I highly recommend.

137 x-wing  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 11:48:05pm

re: #117 mean Gene

Oh, I thought you all meant a real rooster.
It was code for prayer calls?
Silly me!


No a real rooster. It's a Refugee camp, they can't afford loud speakers. You act as if this is Somalia or something ;>}

///

138 Pietr  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 11:49:03pm

Notice the building in the lower right of the cam shot? It has antennae and a sat dish......Uh Oh-firetruck/ambulance?

139 Bobibutu  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 11:49:37pm

re: #136 JamesTKirk

Nope. Just me, baby. Just me.

/that, however, is a direct quote from Bruce Campbell in Army of Darkness, a cult movie I highly recommend.

Is that the guy with the chainsaw back in time or am I wandering?

140 gmsc  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 11:49:45pm

re: #134 JamesTKirk

ding+ ding+ ding+

These two are for those who like dings:

Part 1:

Youtube Video

141 gmsc  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 11:50:05pm

Part 2:

Youtube Video

142 x-wing  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 11:50:24pm

re: #122 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

Gonna touch my ass?


I was close, I thought it was "Grab That Mans Ass."

///

143 SurferDoc  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 11:50:38pm

re: #136 JamesTKirk

Nope. Just me, baby. Just me.

/that, however, is a direct quote from Bruce Campbell in Army of Darkness, a cult movie I highly recommend.

Army of Darkness is a lot of fun. Bruce Campbell at his best.

144 mean Gene  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 11:50:56pm

Nice secondary explosion there, huh?

145 Pietr  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 11:51:14pm

OOps-White Smoke.....

146 x-wing  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 11:51:49pm

re: #124 JamesTKirk

"Great minds think alike"

Whenever anyone says that to me, I add "and so do ours".


LOL thanks.

147 funky chicken  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 11:51:53pm

re: #78 Salem

I tried to read Battlefield earth when I was fifteen after a cousin of mine gave me the book. It sUUUUUUUcked. Got about 1/3 through before I gave up. Did I mention it sucked?

I still can't grasp joining a religion founded by a failed science fiction writer. Just can't figure it out. I'd shave my head and become a Hare Krishna first I think.

148 Bobibutu  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 11:53:21pm

re: #144 mean Gene

Nice secondary explosion there, huh?

Damn missed it - throughly absorbed in Plan 9

149 Render  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 11:53:41pm

re: #121 Cheeseland

Gaza City or Gaza Strip? al-Shifa Hospital is the largest (or main) hospital inside Gaza City, and I think is also the place where the Norwegian Dr. Gilbert Quisling killed a young boy for a propaganda film.

But I think there are larger hospitals outside of Gaza City.

And I've already read a multi-sourced story that HAMAS had established its own hospital for its own people only.

===

Somebody is Akbaring repeatedly in the distance.

PITIFULLY
WEAK,
R

150 JamesTKirk  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 11:54:02pm

re: #139 Bobibutu

Is that the guy with the chainsaw back in time or am I wandering?

That's the one.

151 x-wing  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 11:55:10pm

re: #132 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

This one is for Sulu

I be liken the one in the middle.

152 Kosh's Shadow  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 11:55:17pm

re: #93 SurferDoc

Battlefield Earth was crap-lousy.

It was better than L. Ron Hubbard's better known work of science fiction, "Dianetics"

153 Bobibutu  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 11:55:45pm

re: #150 JamesTKirk

That's the one.

Thank goodness - Alzheimer's has not conquered me yet.

154 Kragar (proud to be kafir)  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 11:56:16pm

re: #143 SurferDoc

Army of Darkness is a lot of fun. Bruce Campbell at his best.

Evil Dead 2 was right up there.

155 SurferDoc  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 11:56:17pm

re: #152 Kosh's Shadow

It was better than L. Ron Hubbard's better known work of science fiction, "Dianetics"

The Force is strong in you.

156 JamesTKirk  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 11:56:26pm

re: #151 x-wing

I be liken the one in the middle.

Then I'll take the one on the right.

157 x-wing  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 11:57:10pm

Is that the call to prayer I hear?

158 SurferDoc  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 11:57:37pm

re: #154 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

Evil Dead 2 was right up there.

Thanks. I'll be using that pic.

159 JamesTKirk  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 11:57:39pm

re: #154 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

Evil Dead 2 was right up there.

Several years ago, I was at a showing of Evil Dead 2 that was also attended by Bruce Campbell. The man is definitely a class act.

160 Render  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 11:58:11pm

I'm calling this camera angle the Jihadi Kilroy angle.

BOTTOM
CENTER,
R

161 Bobibutu  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 11:58:29pm

Now - this movie is funny - Col. Edwards - is on tap. And he stands up.

162 Cheeseland  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 11:58:32pm

re: #149 Render

Gaza City or Gaza Strip? al-Shifa Hospital is the largest (or main) hospital inside Gaza City, and I think is also the place where the Norwegian Dr. Gilbert Quisling killed a young boy for a propaganda film.

But I think there are larger hospitals outside of Gaza City.

And I've already read a multi-sourced story that HAMAS had established its own hospital for its own people only.

===

Somebody is Akbaring repeatedly in the distance.

PITIFULLY
WEAK,
R

Hamas rocket and weapons caches, including rocket launchers, have been discovered in and under mosques, schools and civilian homes, the army says. The Israeli intelligence chief, Yuval Diskin, in a report to the Israeli cabinet, said that the Gaza-based leadership of Hamas was in underground housing beneath the No. 2 building of Shifa Hospital, the largest in Gaza. That allegation cannot be confirmed.

A Gaza War Full of Traps and Trickery

163 JamesTKirk  Sat, Jan 10, 2009 11:59:09pm

This group? I'll also take the one on the right.

(Even if her name is "Khan"!)

164 x-wing  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 12:00:02am

re: #156 JamesTKirk

Then I'll take the one on the right.

Didn't you already have the 3 of them capt'n? ;>}

165 SurferDoc  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 12:00:50am

Bruce Campbell has a blog which has a number of good entries about acting and movie production. He comes across as a sincere and thoughtful guy.

166 Kragar (proud to be kafir)  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 12:01:27am

re: #163 JamesTKirk

This group? I'll also take the one on the right.

(Even if her name is "Khan"!)

KKKKHHHHAAAANNNN!

167 Macker  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 12:01:33am

I finally watched Plan 9 last Wednesday. Has anyone checked out the Color version? Should I?

168 JamesTKirk  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 12:01:43am

re: #165 SurferDoc

Bruce Campbell has a blog which has a number of good entries about acting and movie production. He comes across as a sincere and thoughtful guy.

I haven't read his blog, but I have both of his books. Yes, I still prefer to read most things on paper.

169 BlueCanuck  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 12:01:56am

re: #164 x-wing

Didn't you already have the 3 of them capt'n? ;>}

Hey, he gets one at least every other episode. Face it, Captain Kirk is a slut of the space lanes. :)

/white smoke.

170 x-wing  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 12:02:13am

re: #160 Render

I'm calling this camera angle the Jihadi Kilroy angle.

BOTTOM
CENTER,
R

Good catch, I was watching further out for smoke.

And there's that damn rooster again, could someone please shoot it.

171 Pietr  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 12:03:12am

Wow-actual traffic movement....that breaks the monotony....

172 JamesTKirk  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 12:03:12am

re: #169 BlueCanuck

Face it, Captain Kirk is a slut of the space lanes. :)

Youtube Video

173 Kragar (proud to be kafir)  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 12:03:40am

re: #169 BlueCanuck

Hey, he gets one at least every other episode. Face it, Captain Kirk is a slut of the space lanes. :)

/white smoke.

Well, you know how it was with Kirk and his love interests...

174 Cheeseland  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 12:04:38am

I hear a siren, how far back is that in time?

175 gmsc  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 12:05:01am

re: #170 x-wing

Good catch, I was watching further out for smoke.

And there's that damn rooster again, could someone please shoot it.

I'm not seeing many of these things. On my Mac, I get a regular WMV video, not a streaming one. I can stop it, and have it pick up later from the same point.

176 x-wing  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 12:05:03am

re: #163 JamesTKirk

This group? I'll also take the one on the right.

(Even if her name is "Khan"!)

I'll take the one in the middle again. Yeah, like she'd go for that.

/it must be the red hair, yummy.

177 Render  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 12:05:32am

re: #162 Cheeseland

hmmm...

CNN's Karl Penhaul (last seen on the SS McKinney) got his name in that story as well.

And Maddy Gilbert is working out of the same hospital.

COINCIDENCES?,
R

178 gmsc  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 12:05:39am

I just got footage of an explosion.

179 JamesTKirk  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 12:06:33am

re: #176 x-wing

I'll take the one in the middle again. Yeah, like she'd go for that.

/it must be the red hair, yummy.

I've had enough redheads for this lifetime.

180 Iron Fist  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 12:07:07am

Reminds me of playing "Fireball" when I was a kid. For those who don't get the ref, it is a game where you soak a tennis ball with high-test gasoline, light it, and then throw it at each other. Get the right group, and you can have hours of fun!

181 Pietr  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 12:07:54am

re: #178 gmsc

I just got footage of an explosion.

Yeah, gmsc-there was a muffled boom, then the camera panned in to the smoke cloud-didn't sound like any secondaries.....

182 Render  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 12:08:00am

Soccer field angle - rising smoke on the right.

KICKED,
R

183 marinegrunt  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 12:08:08am

Boom.
Someone must be operating this cam, it zoomed in on that last explosion pretty fast

184 Kosh's Shadow  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 12:08:20am

re: #159 JamesTKirk

Several years ago, I was at a showing of Evil Dead 2 that was also attended by Bruce Campbell. The man is definitely a class act.

I liked his TV show, Brisco County.

185 Smilla  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 12:08:43am

re: #102 gmsc

If you like Elvira, you'll love the movie "Working Girls".
;)

Just had a look. Plan 9's Vampira looks like a celebrity plastic surgery victim. Would like to know what happened to plans 1 to 8. Great script though ("I'm being muzzled by army brass!") and being in charge of "saucer field activities" looks like fun.

186 LGoPs  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 12:08:48am

'Nite my friends. Gonna go and fall into a drunken stupor........re: #180 Iron Fist

Reminds me of playing "Fireball" when I was a kid. For those who don't get the ref, it is a game where you soak a tennis ball with high-test gasoline, light it, and then throw it at each other. Get the right group, and you can have hours of fun!

Sounds like flaming dodge ball..........LOL

187 Bobibutu  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 12:09:12am

re: #180 Iron Fist

Reminds me of playing "Fireball" when I was a kid. For those who don't get the ref, it is a game where you soak a tennis ball with high-test gasoline, light it, and then throw it at each other. Get the right group, and you can have hours of fun!

Damn - I missed that one too.

So sheltered.

188 x-wing  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 12:09:42am

re: #175 gmsc

I'm not seeing many of these things. On my Mac, I get a regular WMV video, not a streaming one. I can stop it, and have it pick up later from the same point.

Do you have windows media player? I'll try to find the link I used for live steaming.

189 x-wing  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 12:11:29am

re: #179 JamesTKirk

I've had enough redheads for this lifetime.

Well, if you run into another one send her my way. I a dark head guy myself, but just once..if you know what I mean.

190 JamesTKirk  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 12:13:06am

re: #189 x-wing

Well, if you run into another one send her my way. I a dark head guy myself, but just once..if you know what I mean.

[Link: www.pvponline.com...]

191 Kragar (proud to be kafir)  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 12:13:12am

So watching the video, I seem to be noticing a complete lack of anything resembling a refugee camp

192 Bobibutu  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 12:14:12am

Been looking with Google Earth for the area the webcam is - the grassy park seems to be a clue - most green areas are tree covered. Anyone have a clue?

193 Kosh's Shadow  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 12:15:44am

re: #192 Bobibutu

Been looking with Google Earth for the area the webcam is - the grassy park seems to be a clue - most green areas are tree covered. Anyone have a clue?

Is it on the grassy knoll or the Gaza book depository?

194 Alberta Oil Peon  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 12:15:50am

Solarbonite? I have Solarbonite counter tops in my kitchen. The stuff is completely harml......aaaaieee! (thud)

195 Pietr  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 12:15:50am

re: #191 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

So watching the video, I seem to be noticing a complete lack of anything resembling a refugee camp

And, the bottom right area, seems walled off from the rest of the area-maybe a gated community/apartment complex?

196 Render  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 12:16:10am

re: #191 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

The actual camps are outside of Gaza City and are actually quite small as such camps go.

This section of Gaza City actually appears to have regular trash pick-up and somebody cutting the grass...

LAND
SCRAPERS?,
R

197 JamesTKirk  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 12:16:13am

[Link: www.iheartchaos.com...]

198 LGoPs  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 12:18:12am

Good night all. Time to go fall into a drunken stupor........

199 Bobibutu  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 12:18:24am

re: #193 Kosh's Shadow

Is it on the grassy knoll or the Gaza book depository?

I'd go with the knoll.

Really - one of the shots shows an area like central park only smaller.

200 Render  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 12:18:26am

re: #192 Bobibutu

I'm guessing here, but after almost eight hours of watching, I'm gonna say look in the upper northeast of Gaza City itself.

WETS
FINGER,
R

201 gmsc  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 12:18:49am

OK, I distinctly heard someone in Gaza locking their car.

202 Pietr  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 12:18:59am

There's a whole bunch of Sat dish's on that bottom right building, in this shot...Hmmmm....

203 Kosh's Shadow  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 12:19:43am

re: #199 Bobibutu

I'd go with the knoll.

Really - one of the shots shows an area like central park only smaller.

Besides, the only books allowed are Korans, and they get blown up when stored in the same building as weapons.

204 Kosh's Shadow  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 12:20:03am

re: #201 gmsc

OK, I distinctly heard someone in Gaza locking their car.

I guess they don't want their bomb stolen

205 Render  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 12:20:21am

Current view - Satellite antenna farm on bottom right, HAMAS green flag bottom center.

WHO'S
CAMERA?,
R

206 stevieray  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 12:20:51am

Feh... enough of this Gaza stuff. I'm gonna watch the toolbag zip around the earth for a while instead.

207 x-wing  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 12:20:58am

re: #178 gmsc

I just got footage of an explosion.

This is the link I'm watching it from.

[Link: switch206-01.castup.net...]

208 Kragar (proud to be kafir)  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 12:21:03am

Car accident?

209 Bobibutu  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 12:21:23am

re: #200 Render

I'm guessing here, but after almost eight hours of watching, I'm gonna say look in the upper northeast of Gaza City itself.

WETS
FINGER,
R

RGR - based on sunrise - that's where I have been focused.

210 gmsc  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 12:21:48am

re: #208 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

Car accident?

That's what I thought.

211 Render  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 12:21:54am

re: #208 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

Sounded like one. Group of people milling about on the bottom left.

INSURANCE?,
R

212 gmsc  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 12:22:23am

re: #208 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

Car accident?

Can you imagine Palestinian road rage?

213 Kragar (proud to be kafir)  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 12:22:29am

re: #210 gmsc

That's what I thought.

Honking, thump, didn't hear a rocket or blast. Sounds like someone had a fender bender

214 x-wing  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 12:22:35am

re: #190 JamesTKirk

That's why I said once ;>}

215 Render  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 12:22:54am

Somebody needs a new fanbelt...

DRONE
A
THON,
R

216 gmsc  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 12:23:43am

re: #211 Render

Sounded like one. Group of people milling about on the bottom left.

INSURANCE?,
R

Palestinian Insurance?!?

I can just see the forms:

Who was to blame for the accident (circle all that apply):
A) jews, B) Jews, C) JEWS, D), JEWS!

217 gmsc  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 12:24:05am

re: #213 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

Honking, thump, didn't hear a rocket or blast. Sounds like someone had a fender bender

Here comes an ambulance.

218 x-wing  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 12:26:22am

re: #217 gmsc

Here comes an ambulance.

Sorry Ambulance is full. All those Hamass leaders buggin' out and all.

219 Kragar (proud to be kafir)  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 12:26:30am

THE HORRORS OF MINOR TRAFFIC COLLISIONS, GRUSOMELY SPLAYED ACROSS SLIGHTY OFF SCREEN!

OH, THE HUMANITY!

220 Iron Fist  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 12:27:05am

re: #212 gmsc


That's what they have camels for. When the road rage hit's you, the camel can spit on them. Face it: it's kinda hard to sipt on someone (or even fire off a shoe) when you are booking along in a Porshe and you need to spit on them. A camel's got some range, not to mention the quantity of camel spit as compared to puny humans...

221 stevieray  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 12:27:11am

Oh man... as soon as I go away, something finally happens!

And how do you have a car accident when there are only three vehicles in the whole city?

222 Pietr  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 12:27:34am

Finally...just managed to magnify the link a bit....it's grainy, but maybe I'll see better......

223 Dustyvet  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 12:27:41am

re: #217 gmsc

Here comes an ambulance.

Oh you mean a Hamas Troop transport...:)

224 Bobibutu  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 12:28:21am

Where are the drones we listened to all night?

225 Kragar (proud to be kafir)  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 12:28:52am

re: #224 Bobibutu

Where are the drones we listened to all night?

I think most of them logged off earlier

/

226 JamesTKirk  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 12:28:58am

I haven't been watching it, but...

The GazaCam -- whose is it? And how easy would it be for anyone -- Hamas or Israeli -- to deduce its location from what it's showing, should they want to take it out?

227 Iron Fist  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 12:29:16am

re: #221 stevieray


It does take practice, but the Palestinians are Grand Masters in the art of fucking up. They'll find a way...

228 Smilla  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 12:29:31am

All that honking is normal motorist behaviour in the Middle East. Does anyone know what the group of people near the wall in the bottom left hand corner is doing?

229 Render  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 12:29:46am

re: #224 Bobibutu

Further south, around Rafah.

THINKIN,
R

230 SurferDoc  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 12:29:50am

...time to drone off to bed.

231 Bobibutu  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 12:30:10am

Ha! or are at higher altitudes with daylight now.

232 gmsc  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 12:30:14am

re: #221 stevieray

Oh man... as soon as I go away, something finally happens!

And how do you have a car accident when there are only three vehicles in the whole city?

That's nothing - back in 1903, in the entire state of Ohio, there were only 2 cars. That same year, they ran into each other!

233 Dustyvet  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 12:30:40am

German police aids Jew-hating Muslim mob, removes Israeli flag from window

Youtube Video

234 JamesTKirk  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 12:31:22am

re: #233 Dustyvet

German police aids Jew-hating Muslim mob, removes Israeli flag from window

Germans siding with Jew-haters? That's unpossible!

235 Render  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 12:31:28am

re: #228 Smilla

Apparently reading LGF, cuz they all scattered when you posted that.

THEY'RE
BACK,
R

236 Bobibutu  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 12:31:28am

re: #229 Render

Further south, around Rafah.

THINKIN,
R

thinkin' good.

237 x-wing  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 12:31:53am

re: #226 JamesTKirk

I don't know, but maybe we should take up a collection and ask Achmed the camera guy to go mobile for us. It seems the jihadis' act more jihadi when they know the camera is on them.

/just sayin'

238 stevieray  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 12:32:13am

re: #232 gmsc

Are you serious?

239 Kosh's Shadow  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 12:32:45am

re: #233 Dustyvet

German police aids Jew-hating Muslim mob, removes Israeli flag from window


[Video]

I'm not watching. Did the Germans Nazis break the window?

The way things are going, anyone else think Kristallnacht 2 will occur within a year in some Eurabian city?
How long for the US?

240 gmsc  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 12:33:23am

re: #238 stevieray

Are you serious?

Yep - although some sources say it was 1895, it is a recorded matter of Ohio history, as the drivers sued each other.

241 x-wing  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 12:33:45am

re: #228 Smilla

All that honking is normal motorist behaviour in the Middle East. Does anyone know what the group of people near the wall in the bottom left hand corner is doing?

Trying to get a game of pick up basketball going?

242 gmsc  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 12:34:36am

re: #228 Smilla

All that honking is normal motorist behaviour in the Middle East.

Honk if you're jihadi!

243 Macker  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 12:35:09am

re: #216 gmsc

Palestinian Insurance?!?

I can just see the forms:

Who was to blame for the accident (circle all that apply):
A) jews, B) Jews, C) JEWS, D), JEWS! JOOOOOOS!

There, fixed that for ya!

244 Render  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 12:35:28am

re: #236 Bobibutu

My impression so far is that the IDF is rapidly switching around it's operations from one area to another.

If HAMAS ever even had any real command and control, they still couldn't have kept up with the IDF's operational tempo and flexibility.

But HAMAS is still the same gang of thugs they always were.

COIN
THAT,
R

245 x-wing  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 12:35:33am

re: #234 JamesTKirk

Germans siding with Jew-haters? That's unimpossible!

FIFY

246 Abu Al-Poopypants  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 12:36:00am

Are those prop plane sounds all IDF drones, or do Splodies have actual planes over there?

247 gmsc  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 12:36:01am

re: #243 Macker

There, fixed that for ya!

Thanks! Updinged for the fix and the Criswell avatar!

248 Smilla  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 12:36:02am

re: #239 Kosh's Shadow

I'm not watching. Did the Germans Nazis break the window?

The way things are going, anyone else think Kristallnacht 2 will occur within a year in some Eurabian city?
How long for the US?

I get the same feeling. What is happening is horrible, despicable. An inversion of all that is decent. Also the stories on Melanie Phillip's blog in the UK of Jewish people being beaten up by young Muslim males. You think: this can't be happening again. Look what happened last time.

249 JamesTKirk  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 12:36:53am

re: #245 x-wing

"That's unpossible" is a quote from The Simpsons.

It's a perfectly cromulent word. You just need to embiggen your vocabulary.

250 Iron Fist  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 12:37:35am

re: #244 Render

A pretty consistant gang of thugs. There ain't nobody can get their hate on the way the Palestinians can.

251 x-wing  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 12:37:47am

re: #239 Kosh's Shadow

Good bet it'll happen soon. I'd say Britain will get it first.

252 Render  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 12:37:50am

Given the regular close sirens, could this camera actually be on al-Shifa Hospital?

===

I think I may need to quit soon.

I thought I heard a pogostick.

BOING
BOING,
R

253 JamesTKirk  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 12:37:52am

re: #248 Smilla

I get the same feeling. What is happening is horrible, despicable. An inversion of all that is decent. Also the stories on Melanie Phillip's blog in the UK of Jewish people being beaten up by young Muslim males. You think: this can't be happening again. Look what happened last time.

And yet the Jews are still voting overwhelmingly for the appeasers.

254 Dustyvet  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 12:38:03am

re: #242 gmsc

Honk if you're jihadi!

Hamas rocket crew in station wagon getting reading to unload rocket at launch site, small sedan pulls up behind...light changes, small sedan beep, beep, beep, arm comes out of station wagon and voice yells go around dummy, go around...:)

255 Kosh's Shadow  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 12:39:34am

re: #248 Smilla

I get the same feeling. What is happening is horrible, despicable. An inversion of all that is decent. Also the stories on Melanie Phillip's blog in the UK of Jewish people being beaten up by young Muslim males. You think: this can't be happening again. Look what happened last time.

When the Boston Globe printed the letters in response to Jeff Jacoby's piece on anti-Semitism in the protests, there was only one letter out of 4 or 5 that really agreed with him.
And they've kept going with pretty bad editorials.
This really is incitement to attack Jews.

256 Abu Al-Poopypants  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 12:39:39am

boom?

257 Smilla  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 12:39:49am

re: #253 JamesTKirk

I know! Insanity.

258 gmsc  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 12:40:35am

re: #249 JamesTKirk

"That's unpossible" is a quote from The Simpsons.

It's a perfectly cromulent word. You just need to embiggen your vocabulary.

It's not a frequently used phrased today however.

It was more popular in the days long ago, like those days when I used to take the ferry over to Morganville, which is what we called Shelbyville at the time. The important thing to remember is that I was wearing an onion on my belt, which was the style at the time. Now, in those days, the ferry cost a nickel, and nickels had pictures of bees on them. "Give me 5 bees for a quarter," you'd say.

Now, where was I? Oh, yes, I was taking the ferry over to Morganville, which is what we called Shelbyville at the time. The important thing to remember is that I was wearing an onion on my belt, which was the style at the time . . .

259 Salem  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 12:43:22am

re: #249 JamesTKirk

"That's unpossible" is a quote from The Simpsons.

It's a perfectly cromulent word. You just need to embiggen your vocabulary.

Snuh.

260 Smilla  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 12:44:54am

re: #216 gmsc

Palestinian Insurance?!?

I can just see the forms:

Who was to blame for the accident (circle all that apply):
A) jews, B) Jews, C) JEWS JUICE!, D), JEWS!

and that one too.

261 x-wing  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 12:44:58am

re: #249 JamesTKirk

LOL, I will work on embiggening my vocabulary.

/is that spelled right ;>}|

/need sleep.

262 x-wing  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 12:46:29am

I hear a low flyer in the area. No kaboom yet though.

263 Pietr  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 12:46:46am

Whoa-that looked like a missile going past.......

264 Bobibutu  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 12:46:59am

re: #244 Render

My impression so far is that the IDF is rapidly switching around it's operations from one area to another.

If HAMAS ever even had any real command and control, they still couldn't have kept up with the IDF's operational tempo and flexibility.

But HAMAS is still the same gang of thugs they always were.

COIN
THAT,
R

RGR I concur.

265 Abu Al-Poopypants  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 12:47:01am

Is it wrong to want to see something blow up?

266 JamesTKirk  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 12:48:32am

re: #265 Abu Al-Poopypants

Is it wrong to want to see something blow up?

Depends on the something.

267 Render  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 12:48:37am

Damn there goes the camera...

COLOR
BARS,
R

268 Iron Fist  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 12:49:08am

re: #265 Abu Al-Poopypants

Oh, no. At LGF it is almost a prerequisite. That's what makes our parties fun.

269 gmsc  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 12:49:37am

re: #263 Pietr

Whoa-that looked like a missile going past.......

re: #267 Render

Damn there goes the camera...

COLOR
BARS,
R

Coincidence? I think not.

270 Abu Al-Poopypants  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 12:49:46am

Direct IDF hit to the camera?

271 gmsc  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 12:49:58am

re: #267 Render

Damn there goes the camera...

COLOR
BARS,
R

New camera!

272 Smilla  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 12:50:07am

re: #267 Render

I knew those people near the wall were up to no good.

273 JamesTKirk  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 12:50:15am

re: #268 Iron Fist

That's what makes our parties fun.

I thought it was the grain alcohol.

Oh, right, that can explode too, can't it? Waste of good alcohol, though.

274 Bobibutu  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 12:50:17am

it's back

275 x-wing  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 12:51:42am

OK, camera went dark, x-wings' following. Tommorow Lizards, try to keep ter scales dry.

276 gmsc  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 12:51:47am

re: #271 gmsc

New camera!

Only briefly, though.

277 Dustyvet  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 12:51:52am

re: #265 Abu Al-Poopypants

Is it wrong to want to see something blow up?

Nope, in Vietnam it broke up the long periods of boredom...

278 bongoman  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 12:52:21am
There ain't nobody can get their hate on the way the Palestinians can.

Gee, I wonder why that might be?

279 Abu Al-Poopypants  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 12:52:29am

Wow, the sun sets early and fast over there.

280 Abu Al-Poopypants  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 12:53:34am

Because they're insane?

281 Pietr  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 12:53:49am

re: #269 gmsc

Coincidence? I think not.

It went left to right, about mid screen-then another likewise around 3/4 up-could have been jets, but jet sounds had already passed. But, the camera came back-seemed it was trying to pan in on some activity at 1 building-and is now dead-even to sound.....

282 gmsc  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 12:54:00am

re: #279 Abu Al-Poopypants

Wow, the sun sets early and fast over there.

No, they just rarely come out of the dark.

283 Render  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 12:54:37am

Last night (their time) it looked like there were as many as four cameras in operation. By dawn it was clear there was only one and it was hand operated (sometimes).

===

Is it really back? All I'm seeing is black screen on blacker backround with no sound.

MIGHT BE
A CLUE,
R

284 Render  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 12:55:41am

HAMAS must have finally figured out where it was.

OH
WELL,
R

285 JamesTKirk  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 12:55:41am

It's almost 4 AM here. I'm off to see if I can get to sleep before the sun rises.

286 gmsc  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 12:55:49am

re: #283 Render

Last night (their time) it looked like there were as many as four cameras in operation. By dawn it was clear there was only one and it was hand operated (sometimes).

===

Is it really back? All I'm seeing is black screen on blacker backround with no sound.

MIGHT BE
A CLUE,
R

Yep. A missle flew by and shortly afterward - BAM! No camera!

287 stevieray  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 12:57:22am

re: #283 Render

For a while, there was at least two different cameras, I was toggling back and forth between the two. Then, both addresses showed the same camera view... and now there's nada.

Time to sleep anyway.

G'nite!

288 Dustyvet  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 12:57:35am

re: #282 gmsc

No, they just rarely come out of the dark.

10:56am Sunday (EET) - Time in Gaza,


I think the camera's off line.

289 Bobibutu[deleted]  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 12:58:23am
290 Pietr  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 12:58:25am

Momentary sound and picture, just now. We seem to be having technical difficukty......

291 little blessing  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 12:59:12am

re: #289 Bobibutu

Actually Mandy left it here for us to use. Its in the corner over there.

292 bongoman  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 1:01:06am

re: #282 gmsc

No, they just rarely come out of the dark.

Love it!

293 Dustyvet  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 1:01:09am

re: #291 little blessing

Actually Mandy left it here for us to use. Its in the corner over there.

anybody checked to see if the safety's on, the clue by four could go off on it's own...:)

294 Render  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 1:02:05am

It's dead Jim.

I'm just a commentor, not a butcher.

Page me if something happens...

NYTOL,
R

295 bongoman[deleted]  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 1:02:58am
296 gmsc  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 1:03:20am

A couple of songs, which I was inspired to post by the recent camera blackout:

The Night The Lights Went Out In Georgia:

Youtube Video

297 gmsc  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 1:03:28am

Back up!

298 gmsc  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 1:03:38am

re: #297 gmsc

Back up!

Almost.

299 Salem  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 1:03:52am

Well, I already have Windows Media Player 11, so I don't know why I should have to install it again. Oh well...

300 stevieray  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 1:04:15am

Before I go, here is my new, favorite grouch-blog. Enjoy!

Linky

301 gmsc  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 1:04:34am

The Night Chicago Died:

Youtube Video

302 Smilla  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 1:04:40am

I'm over and out. Before this webcam gets to be a cargo cult.

303 Abu Al-Poopypants  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 1:04:42am

Damn, missed some action.

304 gmsc  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 1:05:30am

Not sure what happened while the camera was out, but it sure got all splody.

305 Bobibutu  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 1:05:47am

re: #277 Dustyvet

Nope, in Vietnam it broke up the long periods of boredom...

When I first arrived in country and was Xported via chopper to a site - we watched from about 1500 ft as napalm was dumped on a tree line - shit I thot - there is really a war going on here ...

306 Abu Al-Poopypants  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 1:07:06am

Where's the kaboom?
There was supposed to be an earth shattering kaboom!

307 gmsc  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 1:08:01am

I tried to find this area on Google Maps. I thought I saw a hotel, so I typed into Google Maps: "hotels in Gaza City".

It returned this all too classic error message:

We currently do not support the location Gaza City

(Oooh! Gunfire!)

308 Abu Al-Poopypants  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 1:08:40am

Could just be a wedding.

309 Render  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 1:08:55am

Hello...

50cal and something bigger. Drones are closer too.

NO SLEEP
TIL HAMASLAND,
R

310 bongoman  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 1:11:23am

Looking for stats on how many Israelis have been killed by Qassams. Any clues?

311 Render  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 1:11:24am

Nine story building right center, all the smoke and dust came from right behind it.

IDF deep into Gaza City now?

PENETRATION,
R

312 Abu Al-Poopypants  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 1:11:34am

What was that noise?

313 gmsc  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 1:12:06am

More Gaza-Live inspired music:

Sh-Boom!

Youtube Video

314 talon_262  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 1:12:13am

re: #143 SurferDoc

Army of Darkness is a lot of fun. Bruce Campbell at his best.

Bruce is pretty good in Burn Notice on USA too...

315 Abu Al-Poopypants  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 1:14:56am

3 Israelis have been killed by rockets since the offensive began, acc. to al-Reuters.

316 Render  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 1:15:05am

re: #311 Render

...and that angle looks an awful lot like one of the notafakephoto of an explosion angles. Small ridge just to the right of the nine story building looks like the ridge that got hit.

A
LOT,
R

317 Abu Al-Poopypants  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 1:17:38am

Camera angles are changing so much you think it's MTV.

318 Kragar (proud to be kafir)  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 1:18:23am

re: #317 Abu Al-Poopypants

Camera angles are changing so much you think it's MTV.

No. This has more music.

319 Kragar (proud to be kafir)  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 1:19:07am

There goes some machine gun fire

320 Abu Al-Poopypants  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 1:20:48am

flip, flip, flip, flip... Like trying to watch TV with my wife.

321 Kragar (proud to be kafir)  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 1:23:43am

Gaza under siege, ROFLMAO.

You would think they were suffering the Blitz or the siege of Stalingrad to hear them tell it.

322 gmsc  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 1:24:02am

The rooster again!

323 Kragar (proud to be kafir)  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 1:24:27am

TGTRA!*

*There goes that rooster again

324 Abu Al-Poopypants  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 1:24:50am

The roosters over there have to crow 5 times per day.

325 Bobibutu  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 1:24:54am

And the roosters are still crowing.

326 bongoman  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 1:25:11am

re: #321 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

Gaza under siege, ROFLMAO.

You would think they were suffering the Blitz or the siege of Stalingrad to hear them tell it.

It's them pussy Arab men again!

327 Dustyvet  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 1:25:48am

re: #324 Abu Al-Poopypants

The roosters over there have to crow 5 times per day.

While facing Mecca...

328 Kragar (proud to be kafir)  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 1:27:21am

re: #327 Dustyvet

While facing Mecca...

Poor hens forced to peck for feed while wearing burlap sacks

329 Abu Al-Poopypants  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 1:27:26am

NOW, we're in business.

330 Bobibutu  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 1:28:18am

Sat dishes ... galore.

331 Kragar (proud to be kafir)  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 1:29:26am

Any second, I expect Mecha-Streisand to show up and start tearing thru the city.

332 Throbert McGee  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 1:29:36am

re: #17 Noam Sayin'

Running away with the prize for Best Pet Blog, F*ck You, Penguin.

Act quickly, Tiger.

The cunning, evil piglets run to the tiger, smothering her with their small hooves and short snouts.


Gaaaaah! My man-nipples are lactating at the sight of those long white eyelashes and the pink widdle noses going oink-shnuffle...

[Inner monologue: Close your eyes and think of bacon, dude... it'll pass.]

333 Kragar (proud to be kafir)  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 1:31:12am

GOT ONE!

/hopefully

334 Bobibutu  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 1:31:18am

Seems like the problem is in the other end of town.

About where the flashes were 5 or 6 hours ago.

335 Abu Al-Poopypants  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 1:31:19am

My ears!

336 Abu Al-Poopypants  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 1:33:08am

Maybe Mohammad just lost another "elementary school" or "hospital".

337 Kragar (proud to be kafir)  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 1:33:17am

Thats a lot of fire right there

338 Bobibutu  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 1:33:20am

Well I leave it all to you and the IDF.

Nite.

339 gmsc  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 1:33:51am

Israeli air fire!

340 Kragar (proud to be kafir)  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 1:34:01am

The evil Israelis are deploying chemtrails!

/

341 Kragar (proud to be kafir)  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 1:36:14am

LOL, I thought I could see something really small the guy was trying to focus on and then I realized I had a speck on my monitor.

342 BlueCanuck  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 1:37:01am

Man, for an area "under siege", the day to day life sounds pretty normal.

343 Kragar (proud to be kafir)  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 1:39:11am

re: #342 BlueCanuck

Man, for an area "under siege", the day to day life sounds pretty normal.

Looks better than the community Barry O organized in Chicago.

344 gmsc  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 1:40:38am

Wanto to get an idea of where all this is being shot from?

Go to Google Maps and type in "alaqsa News Agency" in the search box. The place marked "A" is the vantage point from where many of these shots are taken.

Under "More..." turn on photos, and you'll get a better idea of the landscape around it (which will look familiar).

345 Pietr  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 1:41:22am

When the camera went for the jet a bit ago-did anyone notice the drops? Looks like someone got a missile alert, and deployed countermeasures (those GA missiles are IR)...yay,nay?

346 Kragar (proud to be kafir)  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 1:42:08am

re: #345 Pietr

When the camera went for the jet a bit ago-did anyone notice the drops? Looks like someone got a missile alert, and deployed countermeasures (those GA missiles are IR)...yay,nay?

Looked like standard flares/chafe

347 redc1c4  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 1:44:04am

re: #342 BlueCanuck

Man, for an area "under siege", the day to day life sounds pretty normal.

yes, but do they have fruitcup?

348 gmsc  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 1:44:52am

re: #347 redc1c4

yes, but do they have fruitcup?

Let me put it this way: Cup? No . . .

349 Pietr  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 1:45:01am

re: #346 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

Looked like standard flares/chafe

Exactly-flares to counter an IR missile-pilot had to think he'd been targeted.....

350 Kragar (proud to be kafir)  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 1:45:07am

TGTRA!

351 BlueCanuck  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 1:45:23am

re: #347 redc1c4

yes, but do they have fruitcup?

Of course not. There is no fun in Islam. So that would rule out fruitcup.

/your mods make it double plus ungood to them as well.

352 Kragar (proud to be kafir)  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 1:46:55am

I keep trying to FF to see what happens next. Damn you Windows Media Player.

353 gmsc  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 1:48:11am

Does this picture look familiar?

It's almost exactly what's in frame now! Here is where this video is being shot from.

354 redc1c4  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 1:48:13am

re: #351 BlueCanuck

Of course not. There is no fun in Islam. So that would rule out fruitcup.

/your mods make it double plus ungood to them as well.

oh well, at least they have plenty of white smoke!

/white smoke

355 BlueCanuck  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 1:48:34am

re: #352 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

About as much fun as watching paint dry, or snow falling.

356 Pietr  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 1:48:51am

re: #347 redc1c4

yes, but do they have fruitcup?

Damn redc1c4-do you have to use that damn stealth entry? G'Morning....

357 redc1c4  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 1:49:10am

re: #352 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

I keep trying to FF to see what happens next. Damn you Windows Media Player.

the feed was so buggy here that it kept trying to lock up my browser...... i gave up on the whole thing.

358 Pietr  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 1:50:09am

I got to wonder if cameraman just opened a beer-sounded like a pop top.....LOL.

359 redc1c4  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 1:50:22am

re: #356 Pietr

Damn redc1c4-do you have to use that damn stealth entry? G'Morning....

that's me!

"Mr. Subtle", at your service......

/stolen Paleostinian white smoke

360 Render  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 1:51:09am

Another call to prayer.

ONE
TO
MANY,
R

361 Kragar (proud to be kafir)  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 1:51:17am

re: #353 gmsc

Does this picture look familiar?

It's almost exactly what's in frame now! Here is where this video is being shot from.

Looks like the video camera is further to the left of that shot. Same tower thing on the left side and you can see the spire which is on the right side of the photo almost dead ahead on the video.

362 Pietr  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 1:51:46am

2nd prayer call-3 more to go?

363 Kragar (proud to be kafir)  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 1:52:10am

re: #357 redc1c4

the feed was so buggy here that it kept trying to lock up my browser...... i gave up on the whole thing.

I quit watching it from my browser, just plugged the URL straight into Media Player

364 redc1c4  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 1:52:33am

re: #362 Pietr

2nd prayer call-3 more to go?

well, it's almost last call here.......

365 Render  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 1:52:58am

re: #353 gmsc

Same water tower.

===

Last night was a lot different.

MANY
BIG
BOOM,
R

366 redc1c4  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 1:53:56am

re: #363 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

I quit watching it from my browser, just plugged the URL straight into Media Player

i had MP open as a stand alone, but it was still messing with the PC, and the pic looked like it had the DT's...... jumpier than a meth head on his 3rd pot of coffee.

367 Kragar (proud to be kafir)  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 1:54:24am

Well, the call to prayer has certainly touched me.

Please God, shut that awful caterwauling up.

368 Pietr  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 1:54:26am

re: #364 redc1c4

well, it's almost last call here.......

No such thing, if you're at home. Unless you've run out? I've got some Miller High life, 16 oz......

369 Pietr  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 1:55:41am

Big BadaBoom..........

370 Render  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 1:56:21am

re: #367 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

I think somebody did. Looks damn big too. Maybe 2000lber.

THAT'LL
DO IT,
R

371 Kragar (proud to be kafir)  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 1:56:22am

re: #369 Pietr

Big BadaBoom..........

Betting someone wishes they had a multipass about right now

372 gmsc  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 1:57:52am

It's almost lunchtime in Gaza.

373 redc1c4  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 1:58:14am

gonna hit the rack so i can finish my st00pid homew*rk for the lame ass Anthro 101 course i'm taking.

lame ass book, st00pid students, moonbat teacher. i wish i could show up drunk, but there's the problem of driving there & back first thing in the AM.

the dept chair is trying to get me transferred to the online class, so we'll see.

enjoy the fruitcup!

and remember, it may be cold as hell where you are, but it's gonna be 80*+ in my yard tomorrow.... i'll think of you when i'm enjoying that cold beer by the pool.

/white smoke

374 Kragar (proud to be kafir)  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 1:58:29am

re: #372 gmsc

It's almost lunchtime in Gaza.

There is no lunch in Gaza. They're all starving. Didn't you hear?

/

375 Kragar (proud to be kafir)  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 1:59:26am

Someone needs to take their car in for a tuneup

376 Fenway_Nation  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 1:59:51am

Did I make it in time for fruitcup?

377 littleoldlady  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 1:59:58am

Good morning, afternoon, evening *everyone*!™

Fruitcup is on the buffet ----------------->
Help yourselves!

GO EAGLES!

378 Abu Al-Poopypants  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 2:00:07am

Horny bastards.

379 redc1c4  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 2:00:40am

re: #377 littleoldlady

Good morning, afternoon, evening *everyone*!™

Fruitcup is on the buffet ----------------->
Help yourselves!

GO EAGLES!

short round!

380 Kragar (proud to be kafir)  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 2:01:02am

re: #378 Abu Al-Poopypants

Horny bastards.

No, wife and I took care of that earlier

381 littleoldlady  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 2:01:22am

Oh, well. Yesterday I was right on the money. Nobody was here to see it. And I bombed out on the Powerball anyway.

/did I say BOMB?

;-)

382 gmsc  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 2:01:41am

re: #377 littleoldlady

Good morning, afternoon, evening *everyone*!™

Fruitcup is on the buffet ----------------->
Help yourselves!

GO EAGLES!

Thank you LittleOldLady!

Long time no see!

Last time I saw you, I was unemployed - but I have a new job!

383 redc1c4  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 2:02:04am

re: #380 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

No, wife and I took care of that earlier

what's a few seconds between friends, eh?

/forgotten, but not gone.....

384 BlueCanuck  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 2:02:24am

Good morning littleoldlady. Thanks for the fun fruitcup. :)

385 Render  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 2:03:08am

re: #381 littleoldlady

I saw it.

WITNESSED,
R

386 littleoldlady  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 2:03:09am

Boy, I sure hope I didn't give the Eagles a kena hura, though... :-/

/not that they need my help

red! :-)

gmsc! :-)

Mazel tov! :-) What do you do? (Or what are you doing now?)


/5th career change coming up...

387 Kragar (proud to be kafir)  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 2:03:14am

re: #383 redc1c4

what's a few seconds between friends, eh?

/forgotten, but not gone.....

I believe this sums it up nicely

Youtube Video

388 littleoldlady  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 2:03:51am

BlueCanuck! :-)

RENDER! :-)

Fruitcup-o-cam! ;-)

389 Pietr  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 2:04:49am

G'morning lol...Red didn't mention whether he messed with any of the fruit, so we should be semi safe....:>)

390 littleoldlady  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 2:05:44am

Pietr! :-)

Figure he did. ;-)

/and define "safe"...

391 gmsc  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 2:05:47am

re: #386 littleoldlady

Boy, I sure hope I didn't give the Eagles a kena hura, though... :-/

/not that they need my help

red! :-)

gmsc! :-)

Mazel tov! :-) What do you do? (Or what are you doing now?)

/5th career change coming up...

I work in retail - and those jobs are not easy to find in Vegas right now! However, I'm able to combine it easily with those things I love doing, which is a kind of job that is hard to find ANYWHERE right now!

I consider myself very lucky and very fortunate.

392 little blessing  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 2:07:27am

re: #374 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

What happened to all those roosters?

/too much competition for the first prayer call?

393 Kragar (proud to be kafir)  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 2:08:15am

re: #392 little blessing

What happened to all those roosters?

/too much competition for the first prayer call?

They're still out there. Think it depends on which feed their using at the time.

394 BlueCanuck  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 2:09:23am

re: #390 littleoldlady

Pietr! :-)

Figure he did. ;-)

/and define "safe"...

Safe? No hallucinations. Hope you aren't driving home. . . . . .

395 Pietr  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 2:09:55am

re: #390 littleoldlady

Pietr! :-)

Figure he did. ;-)

/and define "safe"...

As in not seeing Lizards with purple and pink spots, with a background...oops, 'nother big badaboom....and autofire....

396 BlueCanuck  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 2:10:11am

Looks like a big boom on the gaza cam. Hope it got some more terrorists.

397 littleoldlady  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 2:11:26am

re: #391 gmsc

Wow. You know things are bad when you can't find a retail job. :-(

You are a brave soul, and I admire you! Retail work is much harder than it looks...

398 BlueCanuck  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 2:11:26am

re: #395 Pietr

As in not seeing Lizards with purple and pink spots, ....

And how is that different from a normal night in here?

399 littleoldlady  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 2:12:10am

little blessing! :-)

400 Render  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 2:13:27am

Tracers on the skyline center - very faint.

Somebody just messed up real bad.

EXPECT
ANOTHER
BOOM,
R

401 Pietr  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 2:15:30am

re: #398 BlueCanuck

And how is that different from a normal night in here?

I was adding "with a background so psychedelic, that you aren't sure there are any lizards"...big badaboom interrupted me...LOL.

402 JacksonTn  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 2:17:46am

I need to write this when it is fresh in my mind …


As most know who post on this blog …my family were third generation yellow dog southern democrats by tradition until this last two years of this absurd campaign …my family has served in the armed forces of this country in a way which is beyond what most would expect …isn’t it even a shame that I feel the need to even say that to show our allegiance to our country ….but I feel I must because tonight I was accused of the most foul things I could ever imagine …and by a Brooklyn Jewish Democrat …

Am I bad for pointing out that he was a Jewish Brooklyn Democrat …well, I would not do that if he had not told me that I was a White Trash Southern Racist because I did not vote for Obama and I was racist because I did not believe in the redlining going on in the Fannie Mae crap …I asked him how he felt about Hamas and the propaganda being spewed by the main stream media … I am not making this up …
He said Obama would take care of it …and he believed Israel should not bomb Gaza …He is in town (Nashville) doing a documentary on something pertaining to the music biz. …I asked him what he felt was the position Obama would take on Hamas …and as a Jew how could he side with the propaganda being put forth by CNN …he said that Israel needed to stop bombing children …

We talked about a few things …sexism in the campaign …the bailout ….Paulson …Bush …after about 20 minutes he told me there was no way I could have ever been a democrat because I sounded like a total ass republican …I told him I spit on the democrat party after three generations of my family supporting every dogcatcher running for office and voting for him/her just because they were democrat …

I asked what he felt about Hillary … he said he felt the Clintons were the most foul corrupt people ever in government …I asked then why do you support Obama appointing all the Clintonites to positions in Obama administration … He said … well, there are not that many qualified people out there so he had to appoint them …so now I am thinking this guy is totally crazy …and I guess this is what produces documentary in this country ..anyway …

Well, my maturity level kicked in and …I just gave him the finger and walked off …

Thank you for this little space Charles where I can come and vent …where do I go …I am not a hard core republican …I am definitely not a democrat …where is the safe ground …

I am just gonna be my own girl …

403 BlueCanuck  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 2:19:51am

TGTRA

404 Kragar (proud to be kafir)  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 2:20:07am

re: #392 little blessing

What happened to all those roosters?

/too much competition for the first prayer call?

Hear it? There's one now.

405 little blessing  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 2:21:29am

re: #399 littleoldlady

Littleoldlady!

You should know that I though of you, Blue and Red often while I was away!

Since I've been gone for so long and therefore haven't wished you a Happy New Year, please accept my belated best wishes.

406 Pietr  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 2:21:32am

re: #402 JacksonTn

Lean back against us, take a deep breath of good Lizard air....then have some fruitcup....you can't cure stupid, but you can live and work around it/despite it.....

407 BlueCanuck  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 2:23:16am

re: #405 little blessing

Well, a belated Happy New Year is better then none. :) I will accept it and wish the same of you.

408 Pietr  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 2:23:28am

No visual-but you can hear a chopper or drone....

409 littleoldlady  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 2:25:16am

re: #405 little blessing

Why, thank you! And a happy, healthy & prosperous New Year to you and yours, too! :-)

Away? Away, away? Or just away?

410 little blessing  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 2:25:34am

re: #407 BlueCanuck

Oh, Blue. I hope you didn't feel slighted when I didn't show up to wish you a happy New Year's. I haven't logged on to lgf for over a month. In fact, I went home for the first time in over 3 years. I just got back.

411 Kragar (proud to be kafir)  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 2:25:37am

Ah yes, the wild rapid beeping horn, sign of a real asshole behind the wheel.

412 little blessing  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 2:26:06am

re: #409 littleoldlady

AWAY!

413 BlueCanuck  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 2:26:17am

re: #410 little blessing

RL is RL. Glad you went home. Was it for fun and vacation?

414 Render  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 2:27:38am

re: #408 Pietr

Drones. Usually above 10,000 feet (out of small arms range) and really hard to see.

BZZZZ,
R

415 Kragar (proud to be kafir)  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 2:28:26am

Man, I hate this. Nothing to see, but knowing if I look away, something is bound to happen.

416 littleoldlady  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 2:28:35am

re: #412 little blessing

HURRAY FOR AWAY! ;-) Hope you had a great time!

417 little blessing  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 2:29:02am

re: #410 little blessing

Krager, aren't you bored. I watched for an hour and couldn't handle it anymore.

/if you start crowing like the roosters or start calling your neighbors to prayer... Turn it OFF! (You too, Render. I'm worried about you.)

418 BlueCanuck  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 2:30:01am

Another boom.

419 Kragar (proud to be kafir)  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 2:30:10am

re: #417 little blessing

Krager, aren't you bored. I watched for an hour and couldn't handle it anymore.

/if you start crowing like the roosters or start calling your neighbors to prayer... Turn it OFF! (You too, Render. I'm worried about you.)

I'm just waiting for them to start piping in the Polish porno feed.

420 little blessing  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 2:32:10am

re: #413 BlueCanuck

re: #416 littleoldlady

Mom's 50th coupled with me not being back for ages and topped with world events teaching me that life is too short as it is, gave me the kick in the pants to get on that plane.

It wasn't restful or relaxing as I had to spent time with more people then days but I have another week to recover before going back to work.

421 little blessing  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 2:33:36am

re: #419 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

I just get this feeling you'll be waiting awhile. Martin will get here before then.

/unless he is also waiting for the porno feed.

422 BlueCanuck  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 2:33:39am

re: #420 little blessing

That reminds me, I have to start planning my next session with my mom. Better make it soon too. Lot of work to do. I think I need a better computer. :p

423 Pietr  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 2:33:56am

Second strike-or secondary explosion? Oohh, ambulance.....

424 BlueCanuck  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 2:34:35am

re: #423 Pietr

Second strike-or secondary explosion? Oohh, ambulance terrorist transport vehicle.....

425 AmeriDan  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 2:34:43am

re: #402 JacksonTn

told me that I was a White Trash Southern Racist

You say that as if it's a bad thing. Considering the source, I'd wear it as a badge of honor.

426 little blessing  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 2:35:24am

re: #425 AmeriDan

Well said!

427 Kragar (proud to be kafir)  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 2:35:58am

Somebodies got a "Honk if you love the IDF" bumper sticker!

428 AmeriDan  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 2:37:38am

re: #426 little blessing

;)

429 TheMatrix31  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 2:38:44am

I'm reading the comment pages on the "Obama Inauguration Live on CNN.com" group, which is going a mile a minute.

One comment in particular, caught my eye;

(----name here-----) (United States Army) wrote
at 2:35am
In Soviet America, speech watches you.

So funny, yet so sad.

430 gmsc  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 2:39:28am

re: #397 littleoldlady

Wow. You know things are bad when you can't find a retail job. :-(

You are a brave soul, and I admire you! Retail work is much harder than it looks...

True!

The newest thing to open on the Strip, just announced that on January 5th, they'd start taking applications online for 12,000 new positions.

By midnight, January 5th, they had already received 15,000 applications! In just the past few days, that has at least doubled.

What you have to keep in mind about Vegas is that it's not just the townspeople losing jobs as in many cities. It's also the multiplyng effect of people in other towns deciding NOT to come to Vegas, too.

431 gmsc  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 2:41:16am

BTW, for anyone coming to Vegas next year, you'll see the new City Center between the Monte Carlo and Bellagio!

432 AmeriDan  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 2:43:33am

re: #427 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

Somebodies got a "Honk if you love the IDF" bumper sticker!

I saw one on the Gaza feed earlier that said:

Don't blame me, I voted for Fatah

433 gmsc  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 2:47:31am

re: #431 gmsc

BTW, for anyone coming to Vegas next year, you'll see the new City Center between the Monte Carlo and Bellagio!

One quick note - it won't look EXACTLY like the picture. Earlier this week, the building inspector came by to examine their work, and pointed out that there were installing the rebar incorrectly in one of the buildings.

Upon further inspection, it turns out that the previous 26 floors of this building had their rebar installed in exactly the same way. Without inspection approval, they've decided to start tearing that bulding down, and offering people who had purchased rooms there either refunds or rooms in the other complexes.

Personally, if I had purchased a room in that bad building, I'd take my money back. Why? My first thought would be, "How do I know they didn't make that or other similar mistakes with the other buildings?"

434 gmsc  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 2:47:54am

Good night, all!

435 Spiritualized  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 2:48:00am

Totten is still winning the 'best Middle East' blog vote, here's another one that needs buffering up, best UK blog - Melanie Phillips is currently winning too.

436 littleoldlady  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 2:49:07am

re: #430 gmsc

Right. I know the resort areas are the hardest hit.

Things aren't quite as bad here in Philadelphia/Pennsylvania. The real estate market took a hit in the 8-10% range (as opposed to 20+% I've heard elsewhere) and the area is so heavily diversified (with a huge health care sector) that jobs are still available to the qualified.

The city government finding itself in mega-debt is a problem, however...

437 Render  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 2:50:56am

Eh, not to worry. I'm off tomorrow/today. Nuthin to do 'cept watch football and eat.

===

Building bottom center has green HAMAS flags. That group of people across the street (upper left) from that building run over to the large wall everytime a drone is heard. That ain't cover dummies...

CALL
IT
IN,
R

438 AmeriDan  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 2:53:46am

Since we're trying to drum up whoring for our hometowns...

Please use FedEx. Oh, and come see Graceland.

Uh thank ya, thank ya ver much.

439 JacksonTn  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 2:54:01am

re: #406 Pietr

Lean back against us, take a deep breath of good Lizard air....then have some fruitcup....you can't cure stupid, but you can live and work around it/despite it.....

Pietr ...thanks ...

440 littleoldlady  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 2:57:14am

AmeriDan! :-)

The LGF Chamber of Commerce!™

441 rabidfox  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 2:57:34am

Am I the only one that gets a loud "snap" sound when the cam goes off line?

442 BlueCanuck  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 2:58:14am

re: #441 rabidfox

Nope, I got it too. Maybe it served it's purpose and was . . . . neutralized.

443 little blessing  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 2:59:36am

G'day Everyone!

Hope to see you all tomorrow.

444 BlueCanuck  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 3:00:11am

See you around little blessing. Have a good night.

445 littleoldlady  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 3:00:23am

Great to see you little blessing! :-)

446 AmeriDan  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 3:02:12am

re: #437 Render

Eh, not to worry. I'm off tomorrow/today. Nuthin to do 'cept watch football and eat.

===

Building bottom center has green HAMAS flags. That group of people across the street (upper left) from that building run over to the large wall every time a drone is heard. That ain't cover dummies...

CALL
IT
IN,
R

It's probably another Holy Place- everything else is- and they're the human shields/sacrifices in place in case a missile hits it.

447 AmeriDan  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 3:04:18am

re: #440 littleoldlady

AmeriDan! :-)

The LGF Chamber of Commerce!™

Heh

Hi Lady

:)

448 Fenway_Nation  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 3:04:29am

re: #402 JacksonTn


It doesn't get much better when it's your own flesh and blood saying that kind of crap (altho' this Christmas was pretty tame, all things considered).

Not too long ago, my mother said I should move to Texas- which coming from her was probably meant to be an insult (why don't you move where all those stupid, reactionary, right-wing, intolerant, gun-toting hicks live).

Curiously, I took it as a compliment (why don't I move to where those proud, independent, hard-working, resourceful, diverse, patriotic, college football-crazy, 2nd Amendment-appreciating Americans live)

449 rabidfox  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 3:04:31am

re: #444 BlueCanuck Thanks. Two of us means that it isn't my computer.

450 Pietr  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 3:06:42am

We missed a big badaboom, while it was down.....

451 rabidfox  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 3:08:45am

Drones are back.

452 AmeriDan  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 3:11:55am

re: #451 rabidfox

Drones are back.

What's the rooster doing?

453 Fenway_Nation  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 3:14:20am

re: #438 AmeriDan

Since we're trying to drum up whoring for our hometowns...

Please use FedEx. Oh, and come see Graceland.

Uh thank ya, thank ya ver much.

Please burn Yankee Candles, and if you're thinking of offing yourself please thumb through a Channing Bete suicide prevention pamphlet.

You'll probably want a tall frosty pint of Berkshire Brewing Company Steel Rail Pale Ale after seeing the Barack 0bama coloring book on the front page.

/Sam Adams, Harpoon or Guinness could do in a pinch. Or a black & tan.

454 Kragar (proud to be kafir)  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 3:15:23am

BRAKE CHECK!

455 Render  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 3:16:31am

re: #454 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

Woke you up too, eh?

ANTILOCK
WHAT?,
R

456 rabidfox  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 3:16:32am

I havent heard the bird in awhile. Possibly someone rung its neck.

457 Fenway_Nation  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 3:18:11am

I'm not able to get this feed, so looks like I'm relying on you guys for the play-by-play. All that's missing is Marv Albert.

/Three Hamas operatives directing mortar fire from a schoolyard. The IAF circling, circling....for the three and....YES!

458 AmeriDan  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 3:19:43am

re: #453 Fenway_Nation

Please burn Yankee Candles, and if you're thinking of offing yourself please thumb through a Channing Bete suicide prevention pamphlet.

You'll probably want a tall frosty pint of Berkshire Brewing Company Steel Rail Pale Ale after seeing the Barack 0bama coloring book on the front page.

/Sam Adams, Harpoon or Guinness could do in a pinch. Or a black & tan.

Duly noted. Can I get one of those pamphlets shipped to me before January 20th?

I only have major depression penciled in on that date for my mood, but ya never know.

459 TheMatrix31  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 3:22:03am

re: #448 Fenway_Nation

It doesn't get much better when it's your own flesh and blood saying that kind of crap (altho' this Christmas was pretty tame, all things considered).

Not too long ago, my mother said I should move to Texas- which coming from her was probably meant to be an insult (why don't you move where all those stupid, reactionary, right-wing, intolerant, gun-toting hicks live).

Curiously, I took it as a compliment (why don't I move to where those proud, independent, hard-working, resourceful, diverse, patriotic, college football-crazy, 2nd Amendment-appreciating Americans live)

I've been pushing to go to Texas for YEARS now.

460 Fenway_Nation  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 3:22:36am

re: #458 AmeriDan

In theory, they also make pamphlets about drug abuse, illness, etc. But at school- the only ones they seemed to have on hand were the suicide prevention ones. When I pointed this out, the response was 'How long have you thought about killing yourself?'

461 littleoldlady  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 3:26:04am

re: #456 rabidfox

I havent heard the bird in awhile. Possibly someone rung its neck.

Perhaps it's roasted?

462 Render  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 3:26:36am

Still photo now.

I've heard more gunfire out of Baltimore and DC on some nights. Just not full auto and tank fire...

===

Every time the video and audio goes down I think HAMAS must have finally realized how bad this feed is making them look. What's happening in Gaza is not a siege, it's a mild annoyance. 6,000 plus rockets is a siege.

SURRENDER
DOROTHY,
R

463 Fenway_Nation  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 3:27:03am

re: #461 littleoldlady


Haven't you heard? The bird's the word.

/Word up

464 rabidfox  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 3:28:36am

re: #462 Render

You got that right, Render. Also, for an area being denied the most basic of necessities, there sure are a lot of cars running back and forth. New view with smoke. Damn.

465 BlueCanuck  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 3:31:13am

re: #463 Fenway_Nation

Haven't you heard? The bird's the word.

/Word up

Bird is the word?

Youtube Video

and definitely Word UP.

Youtube Video

466 AmeriDan  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 3:34:36am

re: #460 Fenway_Nation

In theory, they also make pamphlets about drug abuse, illness, etc. But at school- the only ones they seemed to have on hand were the suicide prevention ones. When I pointed this out, the response was 'How long have you thought about killing yourself?'

I'm not into drugs these years, but if I were, I could get some of those pamplets on drug abuse from the HR office at work.

Something tells me they don't have to refill the rack to often though.

467 Crux Australis  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 3:35:03am

Does anyone have a permanent link to Gazacam for after when the story inevitably gets deleted from the main page?

468 Bobblehead  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 3:35:13am

From protein wisdom:

Why Nothing Should Ever Be Translated Directly from Aramaic into English [Dan Collins]

The Lord’s Prayer translated from Aramaic into English, rather than from Aramaic to Greek to Latin to English

O cosmic Birther of all radiance and vibration!
Soften the ground of our being and
carve out a space within us where
Your Presence can abide.
Fill us with your creativity so that we
may be empowered to bear the fruit
of your mission.
Let each of our actions bear fruit in
accordance with our desire.
Endow us with the wisdom to produce
and share what each being needs to grow and flourish.
Untie the tangled threads of destiny that
bind us, as we release others from the
entanglement of past mistakes.
Do not let us be seduced by that which would
divert us from our true purpose, but illuminate
the opportunities of the present moment.
For you are the round and the fruitful vision,
the birth-power and fulfillment,
as all is gathered and made whole once again.

469 rabidfox  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 3:35:23am

Nite all.

470 Render  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 3:36:35am

ok wth is this? A news conference?

HMMM,
R

471 Fenway_Nation  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 3:36:39am

Night Foxy Rabidy.

472 Render  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 3:37:30am

PLO/Fatah flag...

ARGH,
R

473 Jr Ewing  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 3:38:34am

Hamas are having a conference..

474 Render  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 3:41:18am

re: #473 Jr Ewing

That's not HAMAS. Their flag is all green. It's Fatah, on an Israeli news channel.

SOMETHINGS
UP,
R

475 Jr Ewing  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 3:46:07am

My bad

476 Bubblehead II  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 3:55:02am

Morning all. Looks like the news conference is over.

477 MandyManners  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 3:57:54am

Have I missed Paul Martin?

478 Render  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 3:58:32am

That looked like a WP round.

WE'RE
BACK,
R

479 Render  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 3:59:20am

re: #477 MandyManners

Never showed. Don't think he got much sleep last night if he's in Gaza...

GOOD,
R

480 Render  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 4:03:46am

More of those WP looking rounds. I think they may be airburst cluster munitions.

That area they're showing getting hit has been hit repeatedly over the time I've been watching.

IDF is pounding the crap out of something behind that building with the diamond shapes on it.

SHOOT
MORE,
R

481 yochanan  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 4:06:45am

re: #461 littleoldlady

Perhaps it's roasted?

you would not want to roast that
ISLMO FASCIST SOUP maybe

for the soup nazi

482 MandyManners  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 4:07:13am

re: #479 Render

Never showed. Don't think he got much sleep last night if he's in Gaza...

GOOD,
R

Between the drones and the roosters, I would've had a hard time sleeping, too.

BTW, the droning noise is gone.

483 Render  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 4:08:53am

Somebody cut loose with a 50cal. Apache in the clouds. Those are airburst cluster munitions.

Things seem to be getting closer to the mic location.

IMPENDING,
R

484 MandyManners  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 4:09:25am

Something just got hit.

485 Render  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 4:10:01am

re: #482 MandyManners

The droning comes and goes. Like a circle patrol. It always comes after something big has been hit.

LIKE
NOW,
R

486 Jr Ewing  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 4:10:59am

nice live shots on the Apache

487 MandyManners  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 4:11:08am

Big guns again.

488 Render  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 4:11:29am

Apache dumping flares. He's way up there.

FLY
OVER,
R

489 Bubblehead II  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 4:12:13am

Apache just launched counter measures. SA-7s?

490 MandyManners  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 4:14:12am

I pray for the kids.

491 Rustler  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 4:17:21am

How long til an edited version 5 minutes long nothing but explosians hits youtube and is subsequentially picked up by CNN as proof of the Iraeli oppression of Palestinians? I wish I could see the video live tho.

492 Rustler  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 4:18:32am

Maybe call the Apache flares Napalm even.

493 MandyManners  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 4:27:37am

Somebody needs a new belt in their engine.

494 Render  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 4:28:16am

That was WP.

70mm WP rockets from that Apache.

I think they dump the flares anytime something fires at them, even light AAA. I would...

'06 Lebanon Hizb showed video of an F-15 dropping flares and called the flares bombs, they even photoshopped some extra flares in for good measure. It got busted here.

RECALL,
R

495 abolitionist  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 4:28:45am

re: #491 Rustler

How long til an edited version 5 minutes long nothing but explosians hits youtube and is subsequentially picked up by CNN as proof of the Iraeli oppression of Palestinians? I wish I could see the video live tho.

Try opening the following URL in a separate window of your browser. Typically, you have that option after right-clicking on the link:

[Link: switch3.castup.net...]

You might also try getting it to display full-screen. You might even try running two separate instances of your browser --one for that site, and one for LGF. That way you might be able to go full-screen on the webcam and ctrl-Tab between them.

496 MandyManners  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 4:29:11am

re: #493 MandyManners

Somebody needs a new belt in their his or her engine.

497 Rustler  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 4:31:43am

re: #495 abolitionist
Think its something to do with websence on the comp at work and the wireless went down about an hour ago so can watch on the laptop.

498 Rustler  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 4:32:58am

Fox just had a pic of new pres limo has more added security features.

499 MandyManners  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 4:33:38am

re: #495 abolitionist

Thanks for the link.

500 MandyManners  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 4:34:14am

Something behind that building in the center keeps on getting hit.

501 Dar ul Harb  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 4:34:26am

re: #400 Render

Tracers on the skyline center - very faint.

Somebody just messed up real bad.

As the saying goes, "tracers work both ways."

502 Rustler  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 4:34:40am

HMM using direct link worked. Thanks

503 coquimbojoe  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 4:35:07am

Good morning and goodnight lizardim!

504 Rustler  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 4:36:15am

re: #503 coquimbojoe

Morning.

505 Render  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 4:38:13am

re: #500 MandyManners

With a combination of weapon types. WP rockets and HE shells.

That's the area where the anti-aircraft fire was coming from earlier.

===

They're getting their 6,000 rockets back, all in one week.

72 HOURS OF PAIN
ALL AT ONCE,
R

506 Spiritualized  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 4:38:47am

re: #477 MandyManners

Have I missed Paul Martin?

I'm not sure if he's passed LGF security clearance yet.

507 MandyManners  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 4:39:00am

More calls to prayer. How does anything ever get done in a Muslim nation?

508 Rustler  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 4:40:16am

Yeah I love the incompetance as an excuse the media has been using for Hamas. ///Not even a hundred Israeli's died as a result of rocket attacks palestinian losses are approaching 700 The Israeli's are using disporportionate force.

509 Spiritualized  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 4:40:50am

re: #498 Rustler

Fox just had a pic of new pres limo has more added security features.

Surely it needs *less* security features? Everyone loves Barry.

510 MandyManners  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 4:41:23am

re: #505 Render

Those poor kids.

511 Rustler  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 4:42:05am

re: #509 Spiritualized
That's what I thought apparently tho he's worried about the backwoods guntotting religious right.

512 MandyManners  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 4:42:17am

re: #506 Spiritualized

I'm not sure if he's passed LGF security clearance yet.

He's a Lizard now.

513 Render  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 4:42:49am

That area that is getting pummeled is mostly open ground beyond the city limits, few buildings.

HMMM,
R

514 Dar ul Harb  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 4:43:09am

re: #494 Render

Yep.

515 Rustler  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 4:43:15am

new view

516 MandyManners  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 4:43:33am

I'm all for keeping the president safe.

I wonder what kind of mileage it gets.

517 abolitionist  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 4:44:10am

re: #495 abolitionist

Oops. I think that should've been alt-Tab between them --switching between or among separate instances of browser (or other aps). Not ctrl-Tab.

518 Rustler  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 4:44:14am

re: #516 MandyManners
As heavily armored as it looks it might be closer to gallons per mile than miles per gallon.

519 MandyManners  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 4:44:36am

re: #513 Render

That area that is getting pummeled is mostly open ground beyond the city limits, few buildings.

HMMM,
R

I wonder what are the targets.

520 Rustler  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 4:44:51am

re: #517 abolitionist
I always just tab between windows I got what you meant.

521 Dar ul Harb  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 4:45:23am

re: #507 MandyManners

More calls to prayer. How does anything ever get done in a Muslim nation?

"Damn, I'm not finished loading this pickup full of rockets, and it's time to hit the mat again!"

522 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 4:45:32am

re: #507 MandyManners

More calls to prayer. How does anything ever get done in a Muslim nation?

Good Morning all.

As a matter of fact, I recall a protest from Egypt's gov't last year -- gov't employees were only working some ridiculously small percentage of the day, in between all the religious-related stuff.

523 Dar ul Harb  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 4:46:58am

re: #521 Dar ul Harb

Allah is a slave driver!

524 Rustler  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 4:47:36am

re: #507 MandyManners 8 hour day break down 4 hours prayer, 2 hours lunch 4 15 minute smoke/bio breaks and 30 minutes for deploying and stowing the mat. That leaves a solid 30 minutes for goofing off i mean working.

525 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 4:47:59am
526 Rustler  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 4:49:48am

re: #525 taxfreekiller
Maybe the Rino's will take a page from McCain and say you mean it when you run but don't really apply yourself and allow your dem ally to win.

527 Render  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 4:50:00am

Mornin TFK...

DAILY
GRUMBLE,
R

528 MandyManners  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 4:51:31am

re: #521 Dar ul Harb

"Damn, I'm not finished loading this pickup full of rockets, and it's time to hit the mat again!"

Are emergency room staff and the like exempt?

529 MandyManners  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 4:51:51am

re: #522 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Good Morning all.

As a matter of fact, I recall a protest from Egypt's gov't last year -- gov't employees were only working some ridiculously small percentage of the day, in between all the religious-related stuff.

How was it resolved?

530 Spiritualized  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 4:52:45am

re: #516 MandyManners

I'm all for keeping the president safe.

I wonder what kind of mileage it gets.

It's not an ordinary car, it runs on the elation and tears of happiness that are expelled by Moonbats.

531 MandyManners  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 4:53:14am

re: #524 Rustler

8 hour day break down 4 hours prayer, 2 hours lunch 4 15 minute smoke/bio breaks and 30 minutes for deploying and stowing the mat. That leaves a solid 30 minutes for goofing off i mean working.

I bet this is a major reason why lots of that region is behind. Well, the whole religion is messed up.

532 Rustler  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 4:53:55am

re: #528 MandyManners / Nah they gotta add a blessing for whatever poor soul just went to Allah because they had to stop and pray.

533 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 4:54:06am
534 MandyManners  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 4:54:47am

re: #530 Spiritualized

It's not an ordinary car, it runs on the elation and tears of happiness that are expelled by Moonbats.

And, unicorn poop?

535 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 4:55:32am

re: #529 MandyManners

How was it resolved?

Futile protest on the part of the gov't. They were asking the bureaucracts to be conscientious and work harder. ... Hee hee hee

536 abolitionist  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 4:55:57am

re: #523 Dar ul Harb

Allah is a slave driver!

Therein lies the biggest lie of islam - that all men are created equal, because all men are friggin' slaves.

537 Luigi  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 4:55:59am

The BBC is trying to turn a pro-Israel rally in the UK today into an anti Israel rally. It is quoting dhimmified Jewish leaders who are now physically afraid of their Muslim neighbors, and not reporting the violent antisemitism that has made them afraid.

UK Jews demand Israeli ceasefire

A number of prominent British Jews have written an open letter calling on the Israeli government to halt its military operations in Gaza immediately.

Please read the twisted prose of the UK Jewish leader the BBC interviews as he is tries to support Israel's position

Rather than acknowledging or reporting the murderous hatred directed by Muslims against Jews, the BBC chooses to present us with the dhimmified response of the cowed Jewish leaders of England. The BBC and the Muslims have gotten what they want from English Jewish leaders and are now ready to report the result.

That result is to turn a rally supporting Israel into a rally protesting Israel. The BBC was a party in this change by propagating Hamas war propaganda and ignoring the antisemitic violence directed against England's Jewish citizens by racist Muslims. English Jewish leaders, now scared sh*tless, now seem ready to actually protest against Israel in order to maybe have the chance to walk down the street unmolested.

Notice how the BBC report ignores the racist genocidal hatred directed towards Jews by Muslims. BBC describes Islamic rage in recent events as "Feelings ran high.." and "The protest started peacefully but there were confrontations...", and a pix of some non-threatening demostrators, including a smiling child, with the caption "Pro-Palestinian protesters have already been out in force.."

The BBC creates an Orwelling reality that strictly forbids stuff like this which happens right under its London nose:
[Link: gatewaypundit.blogspot.com...]

Nor are there references to attacks on Jews in their homes, or synagogue attacks.

The rally is developing now and the BBC story is evolving in realtime as I write this. The reporting may have to conform with events and lose the thrust I have highlighted here.

538 Rustler  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 4:56:07am

//So it looks like under Obama the US will have more Czars then communist Russia.

539 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 4:58:45am
540 Dar ul Harb  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 4:59:14am

re: #528 MandyManners

Are emergency room staff and the like exempt?

Well, there you go. That wasn't CPR in the Hamas Hospital video, it was salat. Obviously, the infidel Norwegian had nothing to do, so he was explaining the equipment to the cameraman.

/now why didn't CNN think of that?

541 Rustler  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 5:00:02am

re: #539 taxfreekiller
Well might is a "mighty powerful" word. It implies a chance a dem may take action.

542 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 5:00:03am

bbl

543 MandyManners  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 5:01:19am

Those Jordyptians just think they have it bad.

They wanted a wedding. What they got was a wetting.

A Brooklyn couple's outdoor ceremony at a scenic Staten Island hotel last summer was a washout when the lawn's sprinkler system went off, drenching guests and wreaking havoc.

"I was the princess and this was everything I could have wanted," bride Svetlana Orishchenko told the Daily News. "We made sure of everything, I even asked them if there were generators in case the power went out. But the sprinklers?"

Svetlana, 27, a hospital assistant, and Yuriy Orishchenko, 26, a financial analyst, still tied the knot. But the sudden shower put a damper on the day, they said.

"I can't say it ruined my wedding. Nothing could have ruined my day," Svetlana said. "I felt the worst for my guests. I had people who were soaked from head to toe."

The couple, who paid about $20,000 for the wedding, wants $300,000 to make up for the drenching, according to a lawsuit filed in Brooklyn last week.

SNIP

544 Rustler  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 5:01:58am

I seem to remember more gun fire and building fires during the LA riots than on this current "oppression by Israel on Gaza."

545 Rustler  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 5:03:26am
"I can't say it ruined my wedding. Nothing could have ruined my day," Svetlana said. "I felt the worst for my guests. I had people who were soaked from head to toe."

Probably ruined her lawsuit with that remark.re: #543 MandyManners

546 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 5:05:24am
547 Luigi  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 5:05:30am

As the London pro-Israel rally develops in realtime, the BBC has now changed the frontpage text linking to their rally story from:

UK Jews demand Israeli ceasefire


to

UK Jews demand ceasefire


[Link: news.bbc.co.uk...]

548 MandyManners  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 5:18:24am

Does black smoke indicate secondary explosions?

549 Dar ul Harb  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 5:18:41am

Great point by commenter Cornellian at The Volokh Conspiracy:

CNN is being objective at least in the sense that word has acquired in contemporary journalism. In their minds, when someone says the video is
fake, being objective means not figuring out whether the video is fake,
but rather putting someone on who claims the video isn't fake. Having
reported both viewpoints, CNN is thus being objective. It's pretty much
a complete abdication of the proper role of a journalist, but that's
hardly exclusive to CNN, or to this issue.
550 MandyManners  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 5:19:20am

I wish the video had a compass.

551 albusteve  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 5:23:00am

boring architecture...no style, no color, no fun

552 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 5:23:14am
553 jones  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 5:23:43am

Plan 9 is Done To Death.

554 yma o hyd  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 5:24:51am

Hiya, Lizard Nation!

We all wondered yesterday what Mr Martin would say when he turned up.
Many Lizards, after a long wait, decided he never would.

They look to have been right.

In this thread yesterday Charles linked to Richard Landes' take on the story.

And look who wrote a very long comment, at comment # 13!
Yep - Mr Martin!

Any bets that he'll not turn up here, evah?

555 MandyManners  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 5:27:31am

re: #537 Luigi

Why don't the Jews hire some security forces?

556 Rustler  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 5:27:37am

From Google maps looks like might be the NE section of Gaza city getting hit atm.

557 Dar ul Harb  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 5:29:12am

re: #549 Dar ul Harb

Great point by commenter Cornellian at The Volokh Conspiracy:

And a followup that brings it all full circle here at LGF:

Cornellian:

Having reported both viewpoints, CNN is thus being objective.

Yes. The old "Intelligent Design" dodge: We present both sides, and let people judge for themselves. But what if one side has evidence, and the other is--as they say in phylogenetics--"just making shit up"?

If that won't get this thread moving, nothing will...

558 MandyManners  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 5:30:26am

re: #554 yma o hyd

Hiya, Lizard Nation!

We all wondered yesterday what Mr Martin would say when he turned up.
Many Lizards, after a long wait, decided he never would.

They look to have been right.

In this thread yesterday Charles linked to Richard Landes' take on the story.

And look who wrote a very long comment, at comment # 13!
Yep - Mr Martin!

Any bets that he'll not turn up here, evah?

Blah blah blahddee blah.

He really needs to invest in a spell-checker or at least proof-read his spiel.

559 MandyManners  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 5:31:10am

re: #548 MandyManners

Does black smoke indicate secondary explosions?

Anyone?

560 Rustler  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 5:31:18am
Yes. The old "Intelligent Design" dodge: We present both sides, and let people judge for themselves. But what if one side has evidence, and the other is--as they say in phylogenetics--"just making shit up"?

If one side is "just making shit up" that side must recieve more airtime to make things fair since facts are obviously weighted higher by the viewing public.

561 Rancher  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 5:32:04am

Morning Lizards. Did Mr. Martin ever show up.

562 Rustler  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 5:33:06am

re: #559 MandyManners
Maybe a motorpool was hit black smoke usually means a lot of carbon burning.

563 albusteve  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 5:33:23am

wow..look at those food stuffs and medical supplies burn...

564 Rustler  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 5:33:29am

re: #561 Rancher
Look at post 554 above old man.

565 MandyManners  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 5:34:19am

The Kid's been finding pictures in the smoke. At one point, he said he felt sorry for the Muslims 'cause people who bomb others and fly airplanes into buildings are going to hell. I reprimanded him by telling him it's not our place to decide that, that it's up to God.

566 Rustler  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 5:34:49am

Looks like more smoke on Google maps east of Jibalaiya(sp).

567 Rustler  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 5:35:57am

re: #565 MandyManners
Kids been watching to much South park.

568 Dar ul Harb  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 5:36:14am

re: #561 Rancher

Morning Lizards. Did Mr. Martin ever show up.

Not here, but apparently he has issued a statement.

569 wahabicorridor  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 5:36:16am

re: #554 yma o hyd

mornin' darls! I just logged in wondering if Martin ever showed up so your post saved me from a lot of scrolling.

Also, I wanted to thank you for that book recommendation yesterday. I ordered a used copy on Amazon for about 1/3 of the 'new' price.

570 albusteve  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 5:36:33am

kids are often right about that stuff....they have a untarnished clarity

571 Dar ul Harb  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 5:37:27am

Mr. Martin's statement:

WORLD NEWS & FEATURES, which has been operating in zones of conflict since 2001, is responsible for the supply of video material to a number of major television stations during this Gaza conflict, and we are very careful to ensure we work only with people we know and trust in the Gaza Strip. Ashraf Mashharawi is probably the most respected independent producer in the Gaza Strip. We have worked with him, and with his late brother Ahmed, an excellent cameraman, on and off there for at least five years, and throughout the Mashharawis have been fair and accurate. We would expect even the most objective Western journalist to be somewhat upset when he has to carry his own 12-year-old brother to hospital, fatally wounded by a rocket while playing on the roof of his own home. No-one in their right mind would suggest that any person would allow doctors to play games with a dying or dead younger brother. The idea is bizarre and deeply insulting, and actually damages the credibility of your blogger’s scrutiny of TV output in general - a scrutiny which in principle we would strongly applaud.

The tape, filmed by Ashraf’s cameraman, was fed to London and used by several outlets, without WNF itself actually having the facility to watch it beforehand. But having now done so we continue to stand by the complete genuineness of the footage. What is shown is just the very final stage of doctors’ failed efforts to save Mahmoud. I suppose the reason their effort as shown is so gentle is that they have already in effect concluded that it is futile. And I think your blogger’s understanding of TV is somewhat flawed in this respect: no-one would need to ‘dramatize’ any such death, gently or vigorously. The death itself and the fact that Ashraf’s cameraman had filmed all the PREVIOUS events, and the subsequent return to the home with the body, and the funeral, would have been dramatic enough… in fact the hospital post-death concluding effort by the doctor(s) in no way enhanced the power of the filming - if anything it weakened it… just a body lying there and Ashraf mourning over his dead brother’s lifeless corpse would have been more powerful.

So there is no logical reason to suspect that this doctor was playing to the camera (if so he would have bacted much more dramatically, of course) - let alone that Ashraf would have asked him to do so. The hospital has confirmed that Mahmoud Mashharawi, aged 12, was brought in still breathing but subsequently was pronounced dead. There is therefore not the slightest indication of any faking.

I think a decent apology to Ashraf might be in order.

[cont'd]

572 MandyManners  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 5:37:35am

re: #545 Rustler

Probably ruined her lawsuit with that remark.

Well, there's this admission: Nobody's sure why the sprinklers went off, but Nicotra said he thought the control box had been struck by lightning during a storm earlier that week.

Did no one check that they were working properly?

573 scottishbuzzsaw  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 5:38:12am

re: #554 yma o hyd

Nice find, yma. His attempt at objectivity here...

Some filmed reports may show one aspect of the complex events, while another should show another side.

...is laughable. They 'should' but they do not show what led up to Israel defending herself, nor do they show how Hamas uses human shields. He should be ashamed.

574 MandyManners  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 5:38:26am

re: #562 Rustler

Maybe a motorpool was hit black smoke usually means a lot of carbon burning.

There are at least three strikes resulting in dark smoke.

575 Dar ul Harb  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 5:38:51am

[cont'd]

I might also add that trying to suggest Ashraf has some political agenda is also a false trail. He does not. He was (but is no longer) employed by a company that produced the .ps suffix, and just as anyone can sign up for a .com or a .info or a.tv suffix on payment of a small fee, so can anyone buy a .ps suffix - even Little Green Footballs. All Palestinians like the .ps suffix so anyone can sign up, including affiliates of Hamas. So what WNF has also used this company’s services, because it has a big US-based server that can contain a lot of video, and it is quite cheap! We are happy with this web hosting service - which has no influence at all on our editorial output - we can switch to any commercial provider whenever we wish. The fact that we have had both a personal and a commercial relationship with Ashraf Mashharawi is one good reason why we are relying ONLY on his services during this current conflict while I myself and our other people cannot enter Gaza itself. We have other Palestinians offering to work for us there but have turned all of them down so we can rely only on someone about whose integrity we have certainty.

Finally, an attempt was made by one of your bloggers to show that one of the doctors wanted to make a film with Ashraf. His brother, who died in a car crash, was hosted by a family in Norway and that is probably how he came to know about Ashraf’s production services. The idea that this somehow resulted in this same doctor and Ashraf acting out some faked scene over his dying or dead youngest brother is ludicrous and sickening. Ashraf’s father, who is a medical doctor too by the way, deserves better than to have the death of his child portrayed in any way other than the truth - Mahmoud died because a rocket hit him while he was playing on the roof of his apartment. It is a legitimate story for the media to cover.

I would however suggest that it is vital for the media also to cover why such events occur, and to give balanced and fair overall coverage. Some filmed reports may show one aspect of the complex events, while another should show another side. For example, WNF is investigating (and has also asked the IDF) whether unmanned drones have cameras which produce only fuzzy pictures and therefore cannot or did not distinguish whether figures moving on a roof are fighter or just kids. That may well be the case. WNF is proud to be a very independent producer of news and current affairs from ALL sides of a conflict. Presently I am in Israel filming with the Israeli medical teams who go to the sites of rocket attacks, for example.

Finally, we welcome and encourage and salute scrutiny of the media, but we urge bloggers first to think before they leap to the keyboard, and then to be moderate and considerate, especially when alleging things that will be deeply hurtful to other human beings. Anyone with further queries (or apologies) is welcome to contact me on worldnf@gmail.com.

Oh yes, by the way when the war is over and I can get into Gaza myself, I will get thea full video of the original filmed tape, and make it available to all on our website. We would then welcome honest analysis.

Comment by PAUL MARTIN — January 11, 2009 @ 1:45 am

576 MandyManners  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 5:39:07am

re: #564 Rustler

Look at post 554 above old man.

*whack*

Show some respect, young'un.

577 MandyManners  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 5:39:47am

re: #567 Rustler

Kids been watching to much South park.

Not until he's a teen will he watch that here. No way.

578 Rune  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 5:39:52am
Migration Board pays off pro-Israel employee

Sweden's Migration Board has elected to pay over a million kronor in compensation ($155,000) to a demoted employee who maintained a pro-Israeli blog instead of following a court order to reinstate him. ... But the Migration Board has stated that it does not intend to follow the court order. ... The case dates back to February when Eriksson decided to sue his employer when he returned from a year's sabbatical to find that he had been demoted from his job as the head of an asylum assessment unit, a position he had held for six years.

Ericsson was from the outset suspicious of the grounds on which the Migration Board had justified the move, believing that it had to do with a new supervisor’s disapproval of a pro-Israeli blog Eriksson maintains in his spare time.

"I want to defend freedom and democracy. I try to be humble and just. Therefore I must - as every good democrat must - defend Israel," Eriksson wrote on his blog Sapere aude!

The case sparked more controversy when Migration Board lawyer Staffan Opitz criticized Eriksson during the trial for writing in his blog that Hamas-founder Ahmed Yassin was a terrorist, rather than a “Palestinian freedom fighter”, despite the fact that the Swedish government considered Hamas a terrorist organization. …

Sweden: Migration Board refuse court order to reinstate employee fired for his pro-Israel views

- oh. They must really hate their pro-Israeli dissidents in Sweden, for them to want to pay such a fairly large sum, just to get rid of them.

579 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 5:40:28am
580 MandyManners  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 5:41:10am

re: #570 albusteve

kids are often right about that stuff....they have a untarnished clarity

I told him his job is to not judge others like that but to make sure his own house is in order.

581 Rustler  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 5:42:12am

re: #553 jones
So tommorow night should be Plan 10.

582 Dar ul Harb  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 5:42:14am

So. That's likely all we're (ever?) going to get from Mr. Martin on the many questions that have been raised about the events depicted in the video.

583 Sunlight  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 5:42:34am

Is there a pro-Israel demonstration going on in London? Is anyone covering it? (link(s)?)

584 Rustler  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 5:43:34am

re: #583 Sunlight
CNN is reporting it as a Pro Ceasefire rally by British Jews.

585 Luigi  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 5:44:42am

One of the most important denial of our collective civil rights I've been witnessing in recent years is how the news media no longer reports on the names of crime suspects in certain selected incidents.

Yesterday on a New York state highway a taxi driver took out a rifle and allegedly started shooting at cops who stopped him for apparently a routine reason. The troopers shot the taxi driver and he's in the hospital.


NY interstate closed after man shoots at trooper

We are not allowed to know his name. This CNN story does not even bring up the subject of the man's identity.

People take this for granted now, not noticing that this occurs seemingly arbitrarily in some crime stories but not in others. I don;t think it is uniformly applied. Aren't some shooting suspects id'ed. I want to be told the alleged perp's name, or I want to be told why I cannot know it.

I was a crime reporter oh so many years ago. If I was not told the name of the alleged shooter in an incident like this my editor would have told me to find out why I was not told the name, and I would have printed that reason in the newspaper.

Has the First Amendment changed?

586 albusteve  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 5:45:10am

re: #580 MandyManners

I told him his job is to not judge others like that but to make sure his own house is in order.

always good advice....(or Rule)

587 MandyManners  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 5:46:15am

re: #578 Rune

Sweden: Migration Board refuse court order to reinstate employee fired for his pro-Israel views

- oh. They must really hate their pro-Israeli dissidents in Sweden, for them to want to pay such a fairly large sum, just to get rid of them.

I take it Sweden doesn't have something similar to our First Amendment.

588 Rustler  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 5:47:18am

Yesterdays Anti Israel rally was called peaceful this article has some pics of hte peaceful rally.

589 yma o hyd  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 5:47:22am

re: #558 MandyManners

Blah blah blahddee blah.

He really needs to invest in a spell-checker or at least proof-read his spiel.

Looks to me as if he knows he hasn't got a leg to stand on - but will not and cannot admit it.
He doesn't even seem to know the 'Law of Holes' ...

But I'm sure he's getting lots of nice Petro-Dollars for his sterling effort to sell the suffering of people to the Western media.

590 MandyManners  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 5:47:25am

re: #583 Sunlight

Is there a pro-Israel demonstration going on in London? Is anyone covering it? (link(s)?)

Luigi in No. 537.

591 Dar ul Harb  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 5:47:30am

Such as:

WNF is investigating (and has also asked the IDF) whether unmanned drones have cameras which produce only fuzzy pictures and therefore cannot or did not distinguish whether figures moving on a roof are fighter or just kids. That may well be the case.

While you're doing that, Mr. Martin, could WNF bother to investigate whether the IDF in fact has any armed unmanned drones, and identify which if any of the missiles in the IDF inventory are likely capable of causing such little apparent damage as was shown on the roof of your source's apartment building, while at the same time being lethal to two children playing on the roof?

592 HoosierHoops  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 5:48:13am

Mahmoud died because a rocket hit him while he was playing on the roof of his apartment. It is a legitimate story for the media to cover.
-Paul Martin
Really another legit story for you to cover is why a child is playing on the roof during a war. In fact why would the IDF target that building? What, why,who and when was going on in that building? A Bomb or rocket factory?
Do some legitimate reporting you fuck.

593 Sunlight  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 5:48:27am

re: #571 Dar ul Harb

Mr. Martin's statement:
...The tape, filmed by Ashraf’s cameraman, was fed to London and used by several outlets, without WNF itself actually having the facility to watch it beforehand.

Didn't they say before that Ashraf was the cameraman for this video? So if he isn't, is that a change in the story? And does that mean Ashraf (or the doctor dad?) is in the video?

594 Rustler  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 5:49:07am

re: #591 Dar ul Harb

Pretty sure Israel only has unmanned drones.

595 MandyManners  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 5:50:34am

re: #585 Luigi

One of the most important denial of our collective civil rights I've been witnessing in recent years is how the news media no longer reports on the names of crime suspects in certain selected incidents.

Yesterday on a New York state highway a taxi driver took out a rifle and allegedly started shooting at cops who stopped him for apparently a routine reason. The troopers shot the taxi driver and he's in the hospital.


NY interstate closed after man shoots at trooper

We are not allowed to know his name. This CNN story does not even bring up the subject of the man's identity.

People take this for granted now, not noticing that this occurs seemingly arbitrarily in some crime stories but not in others. I don;t think it is uniformly applied. Aren't some shooting suspects id'ed. I want to be told the alleged perp's name, or I want to be told why I cannot know it.

I was a crime reporter oh so many years ago. If I was not told the name of the alleged shooter in an incident like this my editor would have told me to find out why I was not told the name, and I would have printed that reason in the newspaper.

Has the First Amendment changed?

The media are not legally obliged to report on anything.

596 Luigi  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 5:51:03am

re: #592 HoosierHoops

Really another legit story for you to cover is why a child is playing on the roof during a war.

Thank you.

597 yma o hyd  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 5:51:04am

re: #569 wahabicorridor

mornin' darls! I just logged in wondering if Martin ever showed up so your post saved me from a lot of scrolling.

Also, I wanted to thank you for that book recommendation yesterday. I ordered a used copy on Amazon for about 1/3 of the 'new' price.

Hiya!

Glad to be of help, both in regard to tha Mr M., and especially in regard to the book.

I gotta say, being a book addict, that Lizard recommendations are absolutely tops. The best books I got last year all were recommended by Lizards, not one disappointment, and some were simply outstanding.

598 MandyManners  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 5:51:15am

re: #586 albusteve

always good advice....(or Rule)

I sometimes amaze myself.

599 MandyManners  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 5:52:06am

re: #589 yma o hyd

Looks to me as if he knows he hasn't got a leg to stand on - but will not and cannot admit it.
He doesn't even seem to know the 'Law of Holes' ...

But I'm sure he's getting lots of nice Petro-Dollars for his sterling effort to sell the suffering of people to the Western media.

Some pretty awkward tap-dancing going on there.

600 Sunlight  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 5:52:56am

Also, he's talking about the IDF's fuzzy video not distinguishing children... but didn't LGF commenters figure out that these "children" were 16 or 17 years old? Full grown? And do "kids" like that get down on all fours and "play" like toddlers? I mean a lot of jihadis are that 16-18 yr range, and so to put your older teens on the roof to "play" during air raids has got to be a human rights violation.

601 Dar ul Harb  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 5:53:17am

And:

What is shown is just the very final stage of doctors’ failed efforts to save Mahmoud. I suppose the reason their effort as shown is so gentle is that they have already in effect concluded that it is futile.

It certainly is futile if it is so gentle, as numerous medical professionals who have examined the video have stated publicly since the video was aired by CNN and U.K. Channel 4. I suppose we'll just have to wait to see the heroic efforts expended during the outtakes, which I suspect we'll get to see about the time Sen. Kerry's full military records are released...

602 yma o hyd  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 5:53:55am

re: #573 scottishbuzzsaw

Nice find, yma. His attempt at objectivity here...

...is laughable. They 'should' but they do not show what led up to Israel defending herself, nor do they show how Hamas uses human shields. He should be ashamed.

He won't be ashamed - he's doing what he's been taught in the modern, touchy-feely school of journalism!
Facts are so cold, and need to be checked - better (and less stressful!) to go for the tear-jerk stories, especially if they suppor the propaganda lies one's paid to promote ...

hiya, {scotti}!

603 MandyManners  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 5:54:08am

I wonder if the smoke is covering up the stench of the open sewers.

604 albusteve  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 5:54:44am

I'll bet Charles has been up all night polishing his Apology Statement to the esteemed Mr. Martin....I hope he posts it here so we can all endorse it...how could we have rushed to judgement so unfairly....oh the humanity...

605 yma o hyd  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 5:54:53am

re: #575 Dar ul Harb

Thanks for copying all that!

606 Dar ul Harb  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 5:56:08am

re: #600 Sunlight

Also, he's talking about the IDF's fuzzy video not distinguishing children... but didn't LGF commenters figure out that these "children" were 16 or 17 years old? Full grown? And do "kids" like that get down on all fours and "play" like toddlers? I mean a lot of jihadis are that 16-18 yr range, and so to put your older teens on the roof to "play" during air raids has got to be a human rights violation.

Reports I've seen say that these children were supposedly pre-teens. Where did anyone say that the kids are "resistance" age?

607 albusteve  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 5:56:20am

re: #600 Sunlight

Also, he's talking about the IDF's fuzzy video not distinguishing children... but didn't LGF commenters figure out that these "children" were 16 or 17 years old? Full grown? And do "kids" like that get down on all fours and "play" like toddlers? I mean a lot of jihadis are that 16-18 yr range, and so to put your older teens on the roof to "play" during air raids has got to be a human rights violation.

sometimes jihadis are as young as newborn

608 HoosierHoops  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 5:56:23am

Good Morning Lizards! Scottish..Have any Bailey's today? :)

609 Dar ul Harb  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 5:57:22am

re: #605 yma o hyd

Thanks for copying all that!

Well, that's why he didn't show I guess. His remarks exceeded the character limit on LGF's comment box.

/

610 Luigi  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 5:57:37am

CNN doesn't even tell you if the taxi shooter was arrested, book, arraigned, given a traffic ticket. All these things are public record. You can go to your local police station and see their blotter of all the incidents they handle. Arrests and court activities are public record.

But all the story says is..

The Albany Times Review reported on its Web site that the gunman was in a hospital, although it was unclear whether he was shot by police or turned the gun on himself. No officers were injured, the newspaper said.

I'll check out that newspaper and see what they have, if they're online.

611 yma o hyd  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 5:58:16am

re: #582 Dar ul Harb

So. That's likely all we're (ever?) going to get from Mr. Martin on the many questions that have been raised about the events depicted in the video.

Yep - thats how I see it as well.

Recalling that he wrote in his e-mail to Charles that his contribution should mean an end to the debate it makes his cowardice of not writing here all the more striking.

612 Rancher  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 5:58:34am

re: #568 Dar ul Harb

Not here, but apparently he has issued a statement.

Thanks. Of course he does nothing to strengthen his case. He basically says you're heartless animals for suggesting this is fake, the cameraman is nonpolitical, honest, and a good friend, and "when the war is over and I can get into Gaza myself, I will get thea full video of the original filmed tape, and make it available to all on our website. We would then welcome honest analysis." That last bit will go far in proving his case, if he delivers. Somehow I think the rushes will be lost in some despicable attack by Israel. The cameraman will probable film the destroyed house where the tapes were stored.

613 Killian Bundy  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 5:59:10am

re: #561 Rancher

Did Mr. Martin ever show up.

/does the Pope [expletive deleted] in the woods?

614 wahabicorridor  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 5:59:38am

re: #606 Dar ul Harb

Reports I've seen say that these children were supposedly pre-teens. Where did anyone say that the kids are "resistance" age?

It's been specifically stated - by Mr. Martin - that the child who was killed was 12 years old.

615 scottishbuzzsaw  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 5:59:42am

re: #602 yma o hyd

Facts are so cold, and need to be checked - better (and less stressful!) to go for the tear-jerk stories, especially if they suppor the propaganda lies one's paid to promote ...

hiya, {scotti}!

Yes, he tries over and over to emotionally manipulate rather than address the facts and valid questions regarding the video and the various connections of those involved. Perfect example of what passes for 'journalism.'

{yma}...hi there.

616 Dar ul Harb  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 6:00:40am

re: #612 Rancher

Somehow I think the rushes will be lost in some despicable attack by Israel. The cameraman will probable film the destroyed house where the tapes were stored.

These things, unfortunately, happen in war.

/the Juice bombed my homework!

617 wahabicorridor  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 6:01:25am

Oh, one thing I wanted to be sure you all are aware of. At 10 am eastern time, CNN airs Howard Kurtz's 'Reliable Sources', which focuses on the media news of the week. I can't wait to see if he covers this.

618 Rustler  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 6:01:25am

Just kids playing.

619 MandyManners  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 6:01:59am

Look mommy, there's an Apache up in the sky.

Youtube Video

620 HoosierHoops  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 6:02:05am

re: #616 Dar ul Harb

These things, unfortunately, happen in war.

/the Juice bombed my homework!



BIG JUICE IS RIPPING US OFF!

621 MandyManners  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 6:02:23am

re: #604 albusteve

I'll bet Charles has been up all night polishing his Apology Statement to the esteemed Mr. Martin....I hope he posts it here so we can all endorse it...how could we have rushed to judgement so unfairly....oh the humanity...

HA!

622 MandyManners  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 6:03:19am

re: #610 Luigi

CNN doesn't even tell you if the taxi shooter was arrested, book, arraigned, given a traffic ticket. All these things are public record. You can go to your local police station and see their blotter of all the incidents they handle. Arrests and court activities are public record.

But all the story says is..


I'll check out that newspaper and see what they have, if they're online.

Are there any Lizards near Albany?

623 scottishbuzzsaw  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 6:03:29am

re: #608 HoosierHoops

Good Morning Lizards! Scottish..Have any Bailey's today? :)

On a Sunday?!? Tsk tsk. ;>) (slips bottle under the table)

Good morning, HH...how goes it?

624 Dar ul Harb  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 6:03:59am

re: #616 Dar ul Harb

Actually, it's really hard to get new tapes into Gaza with the Juice bombing all the defensive tunnels, so unfortunately our cameraman informs us that he had to reuse the tape to document further atrocities.

/so sorry

625 Taqiyyotomist  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 6:04:39am

I've got "Bad Moon Rising" in my head, only not the crazily upbeat C.C.R. version. Mine is in a minor key, and is played at about 1/3 the speed of C.C.R.'s. Dirge-like, minor key, the way it should have been.

I see the bad moon arising.
I see trouble on the way.
I see earthquakes and lightnin.
I see bad times today.

Chorus:
Dont go around tonight,
Well, its bound to take your life,
Theres a bad moon on the rise.

I hear hurricanes ablowing.
I know the end is coming soon.
I fear rivers over flowing.
I hear the voice of rage and ruin.

Chorus
All right!

Hope you got your things together.
Hope you are quite prepared to die.
Looks like were in for nasty weather.
One eye is taken for an eye.

Chorus
Chorus

626 yma o hyd  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 6:04:52am

re: #592 HoosierHoops

Mahmoud died because a rocket hit him while he was playing on the roof of his apartment. It is a legitimate story for the media to cover.
-Paul Martin
Really another legit story for you to cover is why a child is playing on the roof during a war. In fact why would the IDF target that building? What, why,who and when was going on in that building? A Bomb or rocket factory?
Do some legitimate reporting you fuck.

Another intersting snippet coming out of this is that there were apparently two cameramen - and not just the one, Mr Massharawi, who filmed all this.

627 Rancher  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 6:05:15am

re: #618 Rustler

Just kids playing.

Just kids playing.

628 Sunlight  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 6:06:16am

Thousands call for Mid-East peace

They said the number of Israeli deaths should not be considered disproportionate to the number of Palestinian deaths because Israelis were lucky enough to escape their houses before they were hit by Palestinian rockets.

Let's take a poll to see how many here actually think the U.K. Jewish leaders actually said that the reason more Israelis aren't dead is that they were LUCKY enough to escape their rockets.

There is no luck involved. The Israelis:
-have spent their hard earned national and individual treasure to build shelters, build safe rooms, install notification systems, invest in the R&D for instant detection of launches...
-do not store explosives in civilian areas so that there are not secondary explosions...

I'm hoping that the BBC is making s#@t up again as opposed to the U.K. Jewish leaders actually putting forward the "luck" theory.

629 MandyManners  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 6:06:28am

re: #611 yma o hyd

Yep - thats how I see it as well.

Recalling that he wrote in his e-mail to Charles that his contribution should mean an end to the debate it makes his cowardice of not writing here all the more striking.

If he's in Gaza still, I'll cut him a bit of slack. But, he needs to honor his committment to post here.

630 yma o hyd  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 6:06:58am

re: #599 MandyManners

Some pretty awkward tap-dancing going on there.

Non-compliance with the 'Law of Holes' fully illustrated by Mr Martin, I say!

631 HoosierHoops  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 6:06:59am

re: #623 scottishbuzzsaw

On a Sunday?!? Tsk tsk. ;>) (slips bottle under the table)

Good morning, HH...how goes it?

LOL I'm during wonderful scottish..Watching movies this morning...Assembling rockets and bombs in my spare time..stuck the kid on the roof just in case..

632 Jr Ewing  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 6:09:10am

Does anyone know what these bombs are for?
Your text to link...

633 yma o hyd  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 6:09:23am

re: #600 Sunlight

Also, he's talking about the IDF's fuzzy video not distinguishing children... but didn't LGF commenters figure out that these "children" were 16 or 17 years old? Full grown? And do "kids" like that get down on all fours and "play" like toddlers? I mean a lot of jihadis are that 16-18 yr range, and so to put your older teens on the roof to "play" during air raids has got to be a human rights violation.

I am convinced that these lads did not 'play on the roof', but were involved in some way in Hamas action, as observers or such.
As other lizards have pointed out repeatedly ehre - the damage o the roof is more consistnet with a Hamas mortar going wrong than with any sort of Israeli airstrike.

634 Taqiyyotomist  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 6:09:55am

Left a comment at DBKP for the ignorant.

Morning all.

635 HoosierHoops  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 6:11:13am

re: #627 Rancher

Just kids playing.

one is immediately struck by the near total absence of adults. Indeed, most of those hurling Molotov cocktails and stones are teenagers; many are even younger. Intoxicated by the challenge of becoming a hero, lacking the maturity to calculate the dangers they are assuming, these young people are easily motivated to place themselves in harm's way.

Now kids..we've got a war going on..so i want you to get out there and give a 110%....Hey! before you go..don't forget your Molotov cocktails!

636 wahabicorridor  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 6:11:41am

re: #629 MandyManners

If he's in Gaza still, I'll cut him a bit of slack.

I don't know where the hell he is. In the comment he left on Richard's site he said he couldn't get in to Gaza.

637 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 6:11:46am
638 Rancher  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 6:12:33am

Palestinian kids playing.

639 yma o hyd  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 6:12:58am

re: #606 Dar ul Harb

Landes quotes the hospital spokesman, and in that part of his article you''l find this quote:

'Hamdouna said the hospital records reported Ahmed’s age as 16, not 14, as the family said.'

640 albusteve  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 6:14:07am

re: #633 yma o hyd

I am convinced that these lads did not 'play on the roof', but were involved in some way in Hamas action, as observers or such.
As other lizards have pointed out repeatedly ehre - the damage o the roof is more consistnet with a Hamas mortar going wrong than with any sort of Israeli airstrike.

mules...they hump the mortar rounds while the big guys carry the tube, baseplate etc......two kids, four bombs, time to split or meet Allah...imo

641 yma o hyd  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 6:14:58am

re: #612 Rancher

Thanks. Of course he does nothing to strengthen his case. He basically says you're heartless animals for suggesting this is fake, the cameraman is nonpolitical, honest, and a good friend, and "when the war is over and I can get into Gaza myself, I will get thea full video of the original filmed tape, and make it available to all on our website. We would then welcome honest analysis." That last bit will go far in proving his case, if he delivers. Somehow I think the rushes will be lost in some despicable attack by Israel. The cameraman will probable film the destroyed house where the tapes were stored.

Oooohhhh - whatever gives you that idea?

Not that it would surprise me in teh slightest ...

642 MandyManners  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 6:16:15am

re: #626 yma o hyd

Another intersting snippet coming out of this is that there were apparently two cameramen - and not just the one, Mr Massharawi, who filmed all this.

Who was it? Why wasn't he given credit?

643 reine.de.tout  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 6:16:38am

re: #554 yma o hyd

Hiya, Lizard Nation!

We all wondered yesterday what Mr Martin would say when he turned up.
Many Lizards, after a long wait, decided he never would.

They look to have been right.

In this thread yesterday Charles linked to Richard Landes' take on the story.

And look who wrote a very long comment, at comment # 13!
Yep - Mr Martin!

Any bets that he'll not turn up here, evah?

Good morning, Yma!

Wow, good find!
In case anyone else has not done it yet and in case Charles doesn't see those coments, I reported them to Charles as "recommend" to bring them to his attention.

644 yma o hyd  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 6:17:39am

re: #614 wahabicorridor

It's been specifically stated - by Mr. Martin - that the child who was killed was 12 years old.

Sure - and he might well ahve been.
But does the 'child' we're shown in that video look 12 years of age?
He didn't to me.

I suspect they switched the lads - the one we're shown wrapped in a sheet ready for burial looks much slighter than the one we're seen cradled by his family - they wouldn't switch the bodies of the lads for the video, would they?

645 mean Gene  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 6:17:46am

Those infamous scenes of the masked Palestinian gunmen firing from a hillside while surrounded by children are used in quite a few videos to show how children are human shields.
Not every child/shield is as unwilling as the one who is seen being picked up bodily and dragged on the same video.

646 Luigi  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 6:18:07am

Albany Times Review has no web presence. They are not mentioned in Google news except within the CNN story.

This story tells us it wasn't the taxi driver who police say started shooting, but the passenger in the back seat.
[Link: news10now.com...]

This story has more info, describing the alleged shooter as "a lone gunman"
... "whose identity has not yet been released..."
[Link: www.troyrecord.com...]

See, that's the part that bothers me. I don't see how it is not a violation of everybody's civil rights to keep this guy's identity a state secret. What if the cops shot you, whisked you to a hospital, and didn't release your name? You would disappear from public view like in some sort of Kafkaesque drama.

Of course we all love the police, but do you trust them -- or anyone -- enough to give them that kind of power? Do you trust them -- or anyone -- enough to sidestep your constitutional rights to know the name of a person who has presumably been arrested for shooting at the cops?

It this can happen to this guy it can happen to you. Was this guy arrested? Let's see the court documents. They're public record. Let's have an explanation for why they're not being released. I'll make the judgment on whether or not I want to read story.

647 Zim  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 6:18:29am

Youtube Video

648 MandyManners  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 6:18:40am

re: #630 yma o hyd

Non-compliance with the 'Law of Holes' fully illustrated by Mr Martin, I say!

He can't help it. He has a fully automatic shovel.

649 ArmyWife  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 6:19:41am

Morning Team Honco! I see we were not blessed with the embodiment of journalistic integrity last night. Shocked at that, I am. I read the statement. The guy obviously did some PR searches on google and got part of it right - issue statement so you don't have to think on your feet and actually answer questions, use words that make the reader feel ashamed of themselves for even questioning the subject at hand, etc. I would suggest, however, that he hire a professional PR type going forward. His statement opened new questions rather than resolving the ones we currently had on the table. Specifically, "how could this feed be released, but somehow you can't get the rushes, most especially if you are in Israel and in close proximity to said material?" or, perhaps more obvious, "why didn't you get an independent medical professional to verify that what we see is remotely plausible?" I would argue there are more and they will rise up once I've finished my coffee.

650 Kenneth  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 6:20:27am

re: #592 HoosierHoops

Mahmoud died because a rocket hit him while he was playing on the roof of his apartment. It is a legitimate story for the media to cover.
-Paul Martin

The blast scene on the roof of the apartment building is not consistent with a rocket or missile attack. There was a small hole and a bit of shrapnel. If that building had been hit by a missile, a large hole would have been punched in the roof and a fire ignited in the floor below. No such damage occurred. Israel does not waste expensive missiles on killing children.

If a rocekt did hit the building, it would have been a Hamas rocket.

A Question for anybody knowledgeble about the IAF: which drones are armed and what are their armaments? Most IAF drones are for recon only.

651 Kenneth  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 6:21:11am

re: #632 Jr Ewing

laying down smoke screens

652 yma o hyd  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 6:21:21am

re: #629 MandyManners

If he's in Gaza still, I'll cut him a bit of slack. But, he needs to honor his committment to post here.

Nah - I recall he hinted he was in Israel, in his e-mail to Charles.

And I don't think he understands the concept of honour, sorry to say.

653 MandyManners  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 6:22:06am

re: #636 wahabicorridor

I don't know where the hell he is. In the comment he left on Richard's site he said he couldn't get in to Gaza.

We seek him here, we seek him there,... That damned, elusive Pimpernel.

654 wahabicorridor  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 6:24:12am

MUST. GET. FOOD.

bbl

(where is realwest, btw? He's late!)

655 realwest  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 6:24:41am

Good morning y'all - from a damp and coolish (49 degres going upt to 60) Charlotte! How is everyone doing this morning?

656 yma o hyd  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 6:24:45am

re: #642 MandyManners

Who was it? Why wasn't he given credit?

Heh.
Just another individual wanting to show the world how the Gazans suffer ...
No credit needed ...


Odd, isn't it, that we're not told who the second cameraman is - doesn't say much about the journalistic honesty of Mr Massharawi.

657 Taqiyyotomist  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 6:24:51am

Martin is a liar. A wordy, lengthy post does nothing to convince me otherwise.

658 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 6:25:41am
659 scottishbuzzsaw  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 6:25:45am

re: #649 ArmyWife

Morning Team Honco! I see we were not blessed with the embodiment of journalistic integrity last night. Shocked at that, I am. I read the statement. The guy obviously did some PR searches on google and got part of it right - issue statement so you don't have to think on your feet and actually answer questions, use words that make the reader feel ashamed of themselves for even questioning the subject at hand, etc. I would suggest, however, that he hire a professional PR type going forward. His statement opened new questions rather than resolving the ones we currently had on the table. Specifically, "how could this feed be released, but somehow you can't get the rushes, most especially if you are in Israel and in close proximity to said material?" or, perhaps more obvious, "why didn't you get an independent medical professional to verify that what we see is remotely plausible?" I would argue there are more and they will rise up once I've finished my coffee.

Excellent observations, especially for one who is caffeine-deficient...;>)

660 realwest  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 6:25:58am

re: #654 wahabicorridor
Hey {wahabi} Here I are! LOL!

661 MandyManners  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 6:26:48am

re: #646 Luigi

See, that's the part that bothers me. I don't see how it is not a violation of everybody's civil rights to keep this guy's identity a state secret. What if the cops shot you, whisked you to a hospital, and didn't release your name? You would disappear from public view like in some sort of Kafkaesque drama.

I know that when I was a reporter, if the cops had refused to release a name I would've been all the keener to get it, and my editors soon would've been on the horn to the chief of police.

Things sure have changed.

662 akak  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 6:26:55am
Lloyds TSB Group, "stripped" information that would have identified the transfers in order to deceive American financial institutions, which are barred from doing business with Iranian banks, Robert M. Morgenthau, the Manhattan district attorney, said. Morgenthau said that money in one transaction was used to buy a large amount of tungsten, an ingredient for making long-range missiles.

They should merge with Hewlett Packard & put their head office in Tehran!

663 albusteve  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 6:26:58am

re: #652 yma o hyd

Nah - I recall he hinted he was in Israel, in his e-mail to Charles.

And I don't think he understands the concept of honour, sorry to say.

in his world honor means revenge/retribution...it's an ancient thing, the blood feud...

664 HoosierHoops  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 6:27:09am

re: #655 realwest

Good morning y'all - from a damp and coolish (49 degres going upt to 60) Charlotte! How is everyone doing this morning?

Doing great RW..Got the kid on the roof.. I'm building rockets down here..
/do you hear something?
BOOM!

665 realwest  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 6:27:12am

re: #658 taxfreekiller
Two fer one karma indeed! How are you doing TFK?

666 MandyManners  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 6:28:55am

re: #652 yma o hyd

Nah - I recall he hinted he was in Israel, in his e-mail to Charles.

And I don't think he understands the concept of honour, sorry to say.

He needs another career.

667 realwest  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 6:29:13am

re: #664 HoosierHoops
Hey Hoops! That is, regrettably, not funny - accurate as hell in Gaza, I'm afraid, but not funny. Well, not much, anyway!
I can't believe I watched that live cam for hours last night and didn't see much of anything at all. It really was like watching paint dry!
How are you?

668 MandyManners  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 6:30:00am

re: #656 yma o hyd

Heh.
Just another individual wanting to show the world how the Gazans suffer ...
No credit needed ...


Odd, isn't it, that we're not told who the second cameraman is - doesn't say much about the journalistic honesty of Mr Massharawi.

They're not journalists. They're tools.

669 ArmyWife  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 6:30:55am

re: #667 realwest

I just checked in - lots of smoke rising up. Curiously, no children playing on roofs.

670 realwest  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 6:31:09am

Hey have any of y'all seen Dusty Vet out here this morning?

671 yma o hyd  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 6:31:10am

Just in case someone needs another set of numbers to refute hamashole-friends and ~enablers:

''"In Sri Lanka's crisis, some 70,000 people were killed – more than all of the fatalities during all of Israel's wars combined. The world is barely aware of (the crisis Sri Lanka). There's a lot of cynicism and double-speak when it comes to us," he said. '

Pull quote (I stole that expression from another Lizard!) from this worthwhile article:
Israel can't ignore int'l opinion, statesmen say.
Former Minister Shlomo Ben-Ami claims international community cares more about Israeli-Palestinian conflict because Jews are involved.

672 MandyManners  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 6:31:22am

I hear choppers.

673 Taqiyyotomist  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 6:32:22am

It's hard when they don't release the name of someone who did something criminal, and something which shows some signs of SJS. It only leads those of us who have been following this SJS thing for a while to think that, well, it MUST be SJS, and the dude's name is probably Indicative of this, with an Al- or a Mahmoud in there somewhere. I say to myself, often, and am often proven right, that if it were a white dude named Billy John McReady, the police and newspapers would have NO PROBLEM AT ALL releasing the name.

This is not paranoia. It may be similar. It is reasoning based on past experience with the police and media when Mohammadans are involved.

674 albusteve  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 6:32:44am

re: #668 MandyManners

They're not journalists. They're tools.

if he presented his case for scrutiny here at LGF, Hamas would probably kill him...consider that

675 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 6:32:47am
676 realwest  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 6:32:53am

re: #669 ArmyWife
Whoa - I didn't know it was still turned on! Oh, and good morning to you! Geez, I kept hearing sounds of war - waaay off in the distance somewhere, but didn't see anything that looked like war except the smoke!
Talk about bad luck when picking out where to put your webcam!

677 MandyManners  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 6:32:58am

re: #669 ArmyWife

I just checked in - lots of smoke rising up. Curiously, no children playing on roofs.

The Juice are ecoterrorists!

678 HoosierHoops  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 6:32:59am

re: #667 realwest

Hey Hoops! That is, regrettably, not funny - accurate as hell in Gaza, I'm afraid, but not funny. Well, not much, anyway!
I can't believe I watched that live cam for hours last night and didn't see much of anything at all. It really was like watching paint dry!
How are you?

Woke up this morning and read paul martins shick upthread...
You know what a war crime is? Putting your 12 yr. old on the roof to play during a war...
I'm not buying the bullshit.

679 Rancher  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 6:33:34am

re: #668 MandyManners

They're not journalists. They're tools.

Independent tools!

680 realwest  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 6:33:41am

re: #672 MandyManners
Morning mandy! On the webcam or by you?

681 MandyManners  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 6:34:14am

re: #674 albusteve

if he presented his case for scrutiny here at LGF, Hamas would probably kill him...consider that

That just proves my point. They are willing to be used by the enemy.

682 realwest  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 6:34:33am

re: #678 HoosierHoops
Who's Paul Martin?

683 yma o hyd  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 6:34:39am

re: #668 MandyManners

They're not journalists. They're tools.

Yep.

Being a tool means you don't have to use your own brain.

This all reminds me more and more of the communist-backed propaganda efforts since the 1920s - with the true party officials who organise this all staying firmly in the background.

684 Kenneth  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 6:34:47am

IDF strikes home of 'Hamas chief of staff'

Air Force attacks Gaza house of Ahmad Jabari, commander of organization's military wing; according to estimates, Jabari was in hiding place during strike.

685 ArmyWife  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 6:35:02am

re: #674 albusteve

Perhaps, but that was the case, wouldn't the more prudent course of action be "keep head under radar and not continue with ludicrous statements that only serve to shine more light on the stupidity at hand"?

686 ArmyWife  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 6:35:28am

re: #677 MandyManners

They've purchased lot's of carbon credits. Not to worry.

687 MandyManners  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 6:35:28am

re: #679 Rancher

Independent tools!

Like my left foot is independent.

688 aboo-Hoo-Hoo  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 6:35:44am

a delightful drive-by...from the front-page of the LaSlimes: Behind the lines with the Taliban

Exclusive: A Times writer joins Taliban fighters for a ride through an especially dangerous part of Afghanistan. The men appear to have no fear of Afghan or coalition troops, and prove to be gracious hosts.

We. Are. There.

689 MandyManners  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 6:35:47am

re: #680 realwest

Morning mandy! On the webcam or by you?

Former.

690 realwest  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 6:35:52am

re: #679 Rancher
Morning Rancher - but they ain't power tools! Man, they get used (or use themselves) all the time, you'd think by now they'd a made a robotic "reporter" and send him into Gaza!

691 scottishbuzzsaw  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 6:36:17am

re: #683 yma o hyd

This all reminds me more and more of the communist-backed propaganda efforts since the 1920s - with the true party officials who organise this all staying firmly in the background.

ANSWER comes to mind...haven't they been busy in Oakland?

692 MandyManners  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 6:37:00am

re: #683 yma o hyd

Yep.

Being a tool means you don't have to use your own brain.

This all reminds me more and more of the communist-backed propaganda efforts since the 1920s - with the true party officials who organise this all staying firmly in the background.

They were much better at it.

693 Dar ul Harb  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 6:37:02am

re: #626 yma o hyd

Another intersting snippet coming out of this is that there were apparently two cameramen - and not just the one, Mr Massharawi, who filmed all this.

I appreciate how Mr. Martin's latest comments provide an out not only for himself (I don't have the raw footage -it's in the war zone, and I didn't see it, and didn't edit it), but for his bereaved friend (the video was shot by his cameraman), in case the whole thing completely falls apart.

694 realwest  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 6:37:13am

re: #684 Kenneth
Good morning Kenneth! How are you? Someone out here last night reported that Hamas' top leaders were scurrying off to Egypt in UN Ambulances - course that report was from Debka, but still................!

695 MandyManners  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 6:37:16am

Gotta' get The Kid ready for church. bbl

696 albusteve  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 6:37:27am

re: #685 ArmyWife

Perhaps, but that was the case, wouldn't the more prudent course of action be "keep head under radar and not continue with ludicrous statements that only serve to shine more light on the stupidity at hand"?

hell I dont know...he probably doesn't think his statement is ludicrous

697 realwest  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 6:38:03am

re: #689 MandyManners
Good!

698 yma o hyd  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 6:38:25am

IAF: Hamas tried to down plane with anti-aircraft missile

via [Link: www.israellycool.com...]

699 akak  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 6:38:46am

re: #688 aboo-Hoo-Hoo

is that Slimeball Syed? don't really want to click on jihad supporting LA Times link.

700 Kenneth  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 6:38:55am

The most reasonable scenario for what happened on that apartment building roof is that the children were told to go up and play and/or act as look-outs for Hamas. Hamas then fired a few mortor shells onto the roof to kill the children. The Hamas cameraman was then sent to film the staged scene and blame Israel. This scenario is at least consistant with the evidence at the blast site and the hospital and in keeping with known Hamas behavior.

701 realwest  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 6:39:18am

re: #691 scottishbuzzsaw
Good morning {scotti} - not according to the MSM!

702 ArmyWife  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 6:39:24am

re: #698 yma o hyd

Impossible. They only have nuisance rockets that cause no harm but annoying people

/like it needs it.

703 Rancher  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 6:39:53am

Steyn: The ‘Oldest Hatred’

In Toronto, anti-Israel demonstrators yell “You are the brothers of pigs!”, and a protester complains to his interviewer that “Hitler didn’t do a good job.”

In Fort Lauderdale, Palestinian supporters sneer at Jews, “You need a big oven, that’s what you need!”

In Amsterdam, the crowd shouts, “Hamas, Hamas! Jews to the gas!”

In Paris, the state-owned TV network France-2 broadcasts film of dozens of dead Palestinians killed in an Israeli air raid on New Year’s Day. The channel subsequently admits that, in fact, the footage is not from January 1st 2009 but from 2005, and, while the corpses are certainly Palestinian, they were killed when a truck loaded with Hamas explosives detonated prematurely while leaving the Jabaliya refugee camp in another of those unfortunate work-related accidents to which Gaza is sadly prone. Conceding that the Palestinians supposedly killed by Israel were, alas, killed by Hamas, France-2 says the footage was broadcast “accidentally.”

Tools

704 yma o hyd  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 6:40:00am

re: #692 MandyManners

They were much better at it.

They got away with it because there was no internet then - and they did have all those nice GULAGs ...

705 Dar ul Harb  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 6:40:40am

re: #674 albusteve

if he presented his case for scrutiny here at LGF, Hamas would probably kill him...consider that

Or at least the "friend." And probably their family as well.

(So of course, the Juice were responsible for the children's deaths. To suggest otherwise would be irresponsible and, well... hurtful.)

706 scottishbuzzsaw  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 6:41:16am

re: #701 realwest

Good morning {scotti} - not according to the MSM!

Good morning, {real}...

707 Kenneth  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 6:41:41am

re: #694 realwest

Good morning. I'm fine thanks, how are you doing? I'm not at all surprised by that report. During the war with Hezbollah many top terrorists ran off to Syria. Cowards & scum the lot of them.

708 realwest  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 6:42:47am

re: #706 scottishbuzzsaw
Well seriously, have you heard anything on TV about the Oakland "riots" and if so I'll bet money they weren't called riots!
But when they are so scary they make our zombie lock up inside zombie's apartment, you know they were BAD!

709 HoosierHoops  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 6:44:14am

re: #700 Kenneth

The most reasonable scenario for what happened on that apartment building roof is that the children were told to go up and play and/or act as look-outs for Hamas. Hamas then fired a few mortor shells onto the roof to kill the children. The Hamas cameraman was then sent to film the staged scene and blame Israel. This scenario is at least consistant with the evidence at the blast site and the hospital and in keeping with known Hamas behavior.

My take is that kids are used for human shields..It's that simple.. My son showed me the pictures of a firefight in Fallujah where the terrorists used women and children as shields..No one survived the Marines assault..
I saw tears in my boys eyes when he showed me the pics off the thumb drive.
So fuck you Hamas and enjoy hell...and get your kids off the roof you animals.

710 Taqiyyotomist  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 6:44:51am

re: #688 aboo-Hoo-Hoo

We. Are. There.

9 days. We are there indeed. I hope we (the USA under Obama and the Democrat congress) don't lead an attack on Israel. My hopes are not high.

711 realwest  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 6:45:18am

re: #707 Kenneth
Yeah, sorta reminds me of another terrorist group where the top guys didn't stick around to fight and/or escaped being dressed as women..........Al cake? No, no......Al-T? No......AL-QAEDA! That's it!
Seems like they're willing to fight to the death of jews everywehere with their fighter's last breath!
Cowards doesn't even begin to describe 'em.

712 scottishbuzzsaw  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 6:45:20am

re: #708 realwest

Well seriously, have you heard anything on TV about the Oakland "riots" and if so I'll bet money they weren't called riots!
But when they are so scary they make our zombie lock up inside zombie's apartment, you know they were BAD!

No, they weren't called riots, as far as I heard...and yeah, zombie being undone by the violence sent shivers down my spine...very bad.

713 Rancher  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 6:45:21am

Another great Obama appointment that makes me pretty sure we will be hit again. Thank you George Bush for eight safe years. We will miss you.

Ms. Johnsen became famous in the left-wing blogosphere as an especially arch critic of the Bush Administration's war on terror. As an Indiana University law professor, she took to the Web with such lawyerly analysis as "rogue," "lawless," "outrage," and that's the mild stuff. Now she's been nominated to run the Justice Department's Office of Legal Counsel, which interprets the law for the entire executive branch.
714 yma o hyd  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 6:45:25am

re: #702 ArmyWife

Impossible. They only have nuisance rockets that cause no harm but annoying people

/like it needs it.

True that ...

/Why would anyone believe the IAF and not Hamas ...

715 Taqiyyotomist  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 6:46:51am

re: #708 realwest

A very few articles I read on the Oakland riot said that "other groups" split off from the main group and did the destroying of property. None of the intrepid reporters would say, or even hint at, which other groups. Print journalism is dead and rotting.

716 realwest  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 6:47:20am

re: #709 HoosierHoops
I have no doubts at all about that Hoops - of course they use women, children, UN personnel, UNIFIL (in Lebanon) anything and anyone as human shields.
And here I thought they all wanted to be martyrs.

717 Kenneth  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 6:47:51am

re: #709 HoosierHoops

Sounds very likely. There may have been Hamas terrorists on the roof too. They took the children up with them as human shields. Did you see the faces of the family holding the child? They looked very uneasy, as they were being filmed under duress. Maybe a Hamas gunman was standing beside the cameraman making sure eveybody played along.

718 yma o hyd  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 6:48:01am

Nice video of an IDF spokesman, addressed at arabs (with english subtitles) - and some good footage of that school in theabackground:
[Link: muqata.blogspot.com...]

719 Taqiyyotomist  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 6:48:50am

Journalism is not dead, on the other hand. We are all witness to its new life.

720 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 6:49:46am
721 realwest  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 6:49:52am

re: #715 Taqiyyotomist
Yep. That stench you smell is of the rotting corpse of print "journalism".
You know, if you don't report the basic facts of a story, even though you KNOW THEM without having to research it, doesn't that make you an enabler?!

722 Taqiyyotomist  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 6:50:33am

I still wonder who was driving the UN ambulance/troop transport in that youtube vid the other day. Was it a Hamas member? Or was it a UN worker?

723 realwest  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 6:52:18am

re: #722 Taqiyyotomist
" Was it a Hamas member? Or was it a UN worker?"
Is there a difference these days? Seriously? I mean I could see a dedicated UN person trying to help the poor civilians but not trying to help out Hamas.

724 Taqiyyotomist  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 6:52:22am

Damn, tfk. Just damn.
::shakes head

God bless you, tfk.

725 SummerSong  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 6:52:45am

Could someone give me to the post number where Paul Martin posted?

TIA

726 ArmyWife  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 6:52:56am

Action looks to be getting closer to Gazacam. Hearing intermittent yelling in the background and seeing flashes occasionally in the smoke.

727 newsjunkie_ky  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 6:53:10am

re: #708 realwest

Well seriously, have you heard anything on TV about the Oakland "riots" and if so I'll bet money they weren't called riots!
But when they are so scary they make our zombie lock up inside zombie's apartment, you know they were BAD!


Jerry Brown called the 'rioters' terrorists. And I must agree. Why did they not 'riot' when 124 'murders' took place in the past year?

Morning you all. Morning realwest.

728 HoosierHoops  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 6:53:33am

re: #720 taxfreekiller

best long range sniper we came up against
when we got to the tree the sniper was in and Jessie got a shot,

about 12 to 14 year old Viet girl...

Kind regards TFK...I'm sorry

729 realwest  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 6:53:45am

re: #718 yma o hyd
Hey good afternoon {yma} - other than disgusted at Gaza and the "news coverage" of same, how are you?

730 rain of lead  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 6:54:07am

your gorebull warming solar update
one microspot and a solar wind speed of 343 km/s

731 albusteve  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 6:54:58am

re: #723 realwest

" Was it a Hamas member? Or was it a UN worker?"
Is there a difference these days? Seriously? I mean I could see a dedicated UN person trying to help the poor civilians but not trying to help out Hamas.

the UN excuse makers are too valuable....they keep busy writing up Atrocity Reports for publication in the NYT

732 lawhawk  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 6:55:44am

Greets and saluts from the icy grips of the NYC metro area. Operation Cast Lead continues, and Israeli forces continue to attack Hamas positions throughout Gaza, including inside Gaza City. Hamas appears to have fired off a SAM at Israeli aircraft, but no damage done. What the media would derisively refer to as "Israeli weapons systems" (snicker) defeated the SAM. We know that to be flares and jammers - defensive systems.

Hamas continues to use mosques to store weapons (no broken ground there - they've been doing that for years), but they're also storing weapons in and around schools and hospitals knowing and exploiting the fact that Israel wouldn't purposefully target either for fear of the human toll. That's how Hamas hopes to ride out the battle and survive until the next war.

re: #688 aboo-Hoo-Hoo

a delightful drive-by...from the front-page of the LaSlimes: Behind the lines with the Taliban

We. Are. There.

Ah, and when one of those gracious hosts' hovels is leveled in a coalition airstrike that no one saw coming, will the LAT blame the US for the death of their reporters? Of course they will; knowing full well that they've been consorting with Taliban and jihadis who seek nothing less than worldwide jihad.

733 realwest  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 6:56:06am

re: #727 newsjunkie_ky
Good morning news! Really? Jerry Brown called 'em that? The former governor, who dated Linda Ronstadt Jerry Brown?
Whoa, must be really bad then. Still no real coverage here in the MSM.
Oh and btw, please check your e-mail when you get a chance!

734 Taqiyyotomist  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 6:57:01am

re: #723 realwest

Yeah, I know. The UN is a force for evil, if not the greatest. I'd bet a couple dollars that it was a UN worker driving that ambulance. We need proof, and we need a congress willing to listen to that proof, and act on it. Unfortunately our current "leadership" is quite pro-UN. Despite the child-brothels. Despite the UN's wartime aid masquerading as "peacekeeping". The UN needs to get gone.

735 realwest  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 6:59:35am

re: #734 Taqiyyotomist
Well I'd be willing to bet that a LOT of UN workers are sincere in their desire to help the poor and downtrodden, just none of the upper echelons of the UN. Remember the Oil-for-Food Scandal? Anyone get punished for that? I mean punished?

736 HoosierHoops  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 7:00:08am

re: #716 realwest

I have no doubts at all about that Hoops - of course they use women, children, UN personnel, UNIFIL (in Lebanon) anything and anyone as human shields.
And here I thought they all wanted to be martyrs.

I scanned about a GB of pictures from Fallujah..Sometimes late at night i think back on on those pictures..It's hard.
Then I say a little prayer to the US Marines thanking them for sending the 3/5 to Japan for their next deployment. They did enough..Let them enjoy some down time...

737 Taqiyyotomist  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 7:00:09am

Like I said. "Bad Moon Rising" Minor key. 1/3 speed. A capella.
Its in my head. Sounds kinda/sorta like the song done in "O Brother Where Art Thou" by the Senator Byrd-like character at the Klan gathering.

WTH was CCR thinking making that song a major key and stupidly upbeat?

738 ArmyWife  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 7:01:03am

re: #735 realwest

I think they had to write "I will not steal" 1000 times on the UN chalkboard.

739 SummerSong  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 7:01:16am

Thanks anyway...found the comment he left at Augean Stables.

740 Rancher  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 7:01:26am

re: #718 yma o hyd

Nice video of an IDF spokesman, addressed at arabs (with english subtitles) - and some good footage of that school in theabackground:
[Link: muqata.blogspot.com...]

Israel wasn't responsible IMO for whatever happened to the kids on the roof IMO. Their owning up to tragedies like the UN school gives them allot of credibility in my book and they categorically deny any drone did this. I'm not sure but I bet there are tapes of every attack these drones make for Intel purposes. We have had cameras doing this since WWII. If they had done it they would have told us and told us why.

741 yma o hyd  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 7:02:08am

re: #729 realwest

Hey good afternoon {yma} - other than disgusted at Gaza and the "news coverage" of same, how are you?

Hiya, {rw}!

Its mild today - first day without frost in 2009, so we're reasonably happy ...

How are you?

742 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 7:02:37am

Morning Real, Hoosier!

What's up?

Scottish, you available with the Bailey's? My coffee is kinda weak...

743 filetandrelease  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 7:03:03am

Hey big Al, it is gonna get cold.

744 Taqiyyotomist  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 7:03:15am

re: #735 realwest

As far as I know, the son of Khoffi Annan was most heavily involved/enriched, and he got promoted. Probably living on a manmade island freehold in Dubai.

As an aside, I'm gleeful that Dubai has gone broke and all that oil-tick construction (nice buildings, all for naught) has stopped. I hope the Burj Dubai has broken windows and cobwebs in 20 years. Ghost town.

745 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 7:03:24am
746 realwest  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 7:03:54am

re: #736 HoosierHoops
I agree Hoops - regrettably, there seems to be no end to the bad guys that HAVE to be killed. And they are bad guys, not enemy soldiers or fighters or warriors - all of which degrade the word "warrior".
I just don't know how the hell a guy could hide behind women and children (not among women and children to avoid capture, but among them) to fire at Israeli or American or Coalition Forces. WTF kind of man thinks that way?

747 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 7:04:19am

re: #743 filetandrelease

Hey big Al, it is gonna get cold.

Power up the SUV's, throw away the AlGore Lights, turn the thermostat up to 85.

We must act now to stop Global Cooling or it will be too late!

748 scottishbuzzsaw  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 7:04:36am

re: #742 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

Scottish, you available with the Bailey's? My coffee is kinda weak...

Good morning, {Vet}! I must go make breakfast so I'll leave you with the Bailey's to share...BBL.

749 realwest  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 7:04:51am

re: #738 ArmyWife
Well they hadda write it once, but could use "ditto" marks for the other 999!

750 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 7:05:05am

re: #746 realwest

I agree Hoops - regrettably, there seems to be no end to the bad guys that HAVE to be killed. And they are bad guys, not enemy soldiers or fighters or warriors - all of which degrade the word "warrior".
I just don't know how the hell a guy could hide behind women and children (not among women and children to avoid capture, but among them) to fire at Israeli or American or Coalition Forces. WTF kind of man thinks that way?

Not a man. A criminal.

751 realwest  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 7:05:28am

re: #739 SummerSong
Good morning to you! Uh, what comment/thread?

752 HoosierHoops  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 7:06:27am

re: #737 Taqiyyotomist

Like I said. "Bad Moon Rising" Minor key. 1/3 speed. A capella.
Its in my head. Sounds kinda/sorta like the song done in "O Brother Where Art Thou" by the Senator Byrd-like character at the Klan gathering.

WTH was CCR thinking making that song a major key and stupidly upbeat?

Hey..I heard this once..and it was freaking haunting..
2 people singing at the same time..one was singing the house of the rising sun and the other singing amazing grace. The words are exactly the opposite
but they work in harmony perfectly..haunting..try it

753 yma o hyd  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 7:07:16am

re: #740 Rancher

Israel wasn't responsible IMO for whatever happened to the kids on the roof IMO. Their owning up to tragedies like the UN school gives them allot of credibility in my book and they categorically deny any drone did this. I'm not sure but I bet there are tapes of every attack these drones make for Intel purposes. We have had cameras doing this since WWII. If they had done it they would have told us and told us why.

I agree.

The proof for me is that they do not come out with an immediate denial, but quite obviously take the time to check their own data.
I'm sure that any of those who call for investigations of Israeli 'war crimes' will have a very hard time to find any proof of that.

Mind - Hamas war crimes are nonexistent, of course, and if there were any, they'd be excused ... ///

754 realwest  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 7:07:17am

re: #741 yma o hyd
I'm doing ok, I guess - still sore as hell in my joints and some bones, hopefully from the weather!
Glad to hear you had no frost last night or this morning!

755 realwest  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 7:07:50am

re: #742 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret) Good morning LT! How are ya today?

756 HoosierHoops  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 7:07:50am

re: #742 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

Morning Real, Hoosier!

What's up?

Scottish, you available with the Bailey's? My coffee is kinda weak...

LT! *Salutes*
/you pog!

757 newsjunkie_ky  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 7:08:00am

re: #733 realwest

Good morning news! Really? Jerry Brown called 'em that? The former governor, who dated Linda Ronstadt Jerry Brown?
Whoa, must be really bad then. Still no real coverage here in the MSM.
Oh and btw, please check your e-mail when you get a chance!


Yes, that Jerry Brown, who also was a former mayor of Oakland. He was really ticked off by them.
Did check and replied.

758 Luigi  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 7:08:06am

Re #661 and others MandyManners

Sorry I have been logged in and out and haven't responded.

Yes, I do not understand what has happened in journalism where the press now respects the practice of law enforcement and the legal system to not release the identify of a guy who picks up a rifle and shoots at cops.

I mean, they can sure find Scooter Libby's name when they want to.

Let's face it, this apparent cover-up of the guy's identity has a whiff to it as though it may be a terrorism investigation. If it is, they should say so. If they can't figure out who the guy is, they should say that. People should understand that this sort of withholding of information is a two edged sword that can strike the innocent as deeply as the guilty. And no, I'm not writing for the Huffington Post. This is the last thing that would bother a liberal.

759 MandyManners  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 7:09:30am

re: #686 ArmyWife

They've purchased lot's of carbon credits. Not to worry.

Well, that makes it all okay then.

760 goddessoftheclassroom  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 7:09:32am

Good morning, Lizards. Any updates to the Prayer List before I post it?

761 Rancher  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 7:09:58am

re: #746 realwest

I agree Hoops - regrettably, there seems to be no end to the bad guys that HAVE to be killed. And they are bad guys, not enemy soldiers or fighters or warriors - all of which degrade the word "warrior".
I just don't know how the hell a guy could hide behind women and children (not among women and children to avoid capture, but among them) to fire at Israeli or American or Coalition Forces. WTF kind of man thinks that way?

Well we know how much value they place on their women. The children however are harder to understand. Maybe they use mostly girls. I'm also guessing that dead kids aren't listed to the UN as dead so the checks keep coming. The don't seem to be running out of kids in any case and nothing motivates Jihad like a dead relative, especially a son. But then I'm pretty cynical.

762 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 7:10:07am

re: #755 realwest

re: #756 HoosierHoops

Hey Guys!

Doing good. Had a great work day yesterday (testing a new game, everything went well). 22 degrees but whatcha gonna do, I live in the armpit of the US.

Hoops,

I can quit any time I want. I just don't want to.

763 realwest  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 7:10:09am

re: #752 HoosierHoops
Huh. Just tried singing Amazing Grace while listening to House and I don't hear it - at all.

764 yma o hyd  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 7:10:13am

re: #757 newsjunkie_ky

Good morning, {newsjunkie_ky}!

How are you today?

765 realwest  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 7:11:21am

re: #757 newsjunkie_ky
Huh, I didn't know (or have forgotten) that he was once mayor of Oakland. Going to check now!

766 Geepers  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 7:11:41am

HoosierHoops (#709),

My take is that kids are used for human shields..It's that simple.. My son showed me the pictures of a firefight in Fallujah where the terrorists used women and children as shields..No one survived the Marines assault..I saw tears in my boys eyes when he showed me the pics off the thumb drive.

The very reason the US was able to pacify an entire country rife with terrorists.

767 ArmyWife  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 7:11:44am

News from our front - Eric Holder is not being embraced. . Most interesting is this snippet:

Committee Republicans won a small victory by persuading Democrats to delay the proceedings. They are awaiting more materials from the Justice Department archives and the Clinton library and are scouring Holder's extensive nominee questionnaire.

The questionnaire emerged as an issue after the Chicago Sun-Times asked why Holder did not include the contract with Blagojevich's office. The 2004 deal called for Holder and his law firm, working at a reduced rate, to investigate the award of a gambling casino in Rosemont, Ill. No irregularities have been alleged about the arrangement.

Holder wrote to the committee last month that the questionnaire, submitted days after Blagojevich's arrest on public corruption charges, did not mention the contract because he had not performed "substantive work" or received any fees before the arrangement was scuttled over an unrelated dispute.

Sens. Grassley, John Cornyn (R-Tex.) and Tom Coburn (R-Okla.) said that they should receive in time for next week's hearings communications between Holder, Blagojevich and the state gambling board.

Anyone else thinking our moppy haired Gov has much to say about the worst President Elect Ever? (stolen from another Lizard)?

768 MandyManners  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 7:11:44am

More singing. Maybe a decent singing voice should be a requirement to be muzzenin.

769 MandyManners  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 7:12:29am

re: #704 yma o hyd

They got away with it because there was no internet then - and they did have all those nice GULAGs ...

Tyranny abhors a free flow of information.

770 Taqiyyotomist  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 7:12:29am

I had to find it. Google rocks.

Bad Moon Rising - 12 Horsepower

In a minor key. The way it should have been.

The one in my head is still better, and slower tempo.

771 newsjunkie_ky  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 7:12:49am

re: #764 yma o hyd

Good morning, {newsjunkie_ky}!

How are you today?

{yma o hyd}
Doing pretty good, how about you? Knee getting better?
It's cold and damp here. We are going to get blasted with the cold this coming week. At least we didn't get all the snow that the North got.

772 reine.de.tout  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 7:12:53am

re: #725 SummerSong

Could someone give me to the post number where Paul Martin posted?

TIA

It's number 131 here.

773 HoosierHoops  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 7:13:01am

re: #757 newsjunkie_ky

Yes, that Jerry Brown, who also was a former mayor of Oakland. He was really ticked off by them.
Did check and replied.

Hi News...how is the little puppy? I'm thinking about having winston shaved..
The whole dog hair thing didn't occur to me.. LOL
I got an award from Jerry Brown when I was in college..And I had the hots for Linda then..what a stud! LOL

774 yma o hyd  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 7:13:15am

re: #760 goddessoftheclassroom

Good morning, Lizards. Any updates to the Prayer List before I post it?

Good morning {goddess}1

A prayer to ease the grief of another friend of mine, who lost her husband of 59 years of marriage on the 2nd day of this year.
It would be much appreciated.

Thank you.

775 Dar ul Harb  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 7:13:50am

I'd like to thank Mr. Martin however for responding to a number of the questions that I asked in the earlier thread, so here are the questions and answers again:

Your company is apparently well known for its remarkable access to areas of conflict, particularly the Middle East. Do you feel any obligation (journalistic or otherwise) to inform your customers (or their viewers) what censorship restrictions your sources operate under in producing the stories you offer?

[Comment: No response yet.]

Could you provide any examples of stories your company has produced that present the stories of families of Israeli civilians killed or wounded by the Palestinian "resistance"?

WNF is proud to be a very independent producer of news and current affairs from ALL sides of a conflict. Presently I am in Israel filming with the Israeli medical teams who go to the sites of rocket attacks, for example.

[Comment: Well, at least we're glad you're going there, even if you didn't cite any particular examples that your company has already produced.]

If you were a tree, what kind of tree would you be?

[Comment: No response yet, but Mr. Martin is obviously a very busy man, without time to respond to questions beyond issuing a prepared statement.]

Does your company perform any editorial review of the stories your sources provide, or are they just edited together and offered to clients like CNN and U.K. Channel 4 News without any corroboration or editorial verification?

The tape, filmed by Ashraf’s cameraman, was fed to London and used by several outlets, without WNF itself actually having the facility to watch it beforehand. But having now done so we continue to stand by the complete genuineness of the footage.

.

[Comment: Indeed, we wouldn't have expected you to do otherwise.]

.

And a followup, what sorts of editorial quality control measures do you have in place, if any?

The fact that we have had both a personal and a commercial relationship with Ashraf Mashharawi is one good reason why we are relying ONLY on his services during this current conflict while I myself and our other people cannot enter Gaza itself. We have other Palestinians offering to work for us there but have turned all of them down so we can rely only on someone about whose integrity we have certainty.

[Comment: Well, thanks for not being with us this morning. We appreciate your time.]

776 HoosierHoops  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 7:14:36am

re: #763 realwest

Huh. Just tried singing Amazing Grace while listening to House and I don't hear it - at all.

jeez..don't make me come over and sing it for you...Cause I will you know

777 sbvft contributor  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 7:14:44am

Don't know if anyone posted this yet but, "LA Muslims Chant: “Love Long Hitler!”:

[Link: sweetness-light.com...]

778 newsjunkie_ky  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 7:14:55am

re: #765 realwest

Huh, I didn't know (or have forgotten) that he was once mayor of Oakland. Going to check now!

He was somewhat recently. He revitalized the area the got destroyed in the 'riots'. Rioters really tick me off. It's any excuse just to be destructive and act like beasts.

779 Crux Australis  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 7:16:06am

Australian troops get a big one in Afghanistan.

Seeing that this Taliban commander was responsible for an Aussie soldier's death last week this only seems an appropriate response.

780 lawhawk  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 7:16:07am

Global warming hits NYC hard; arctic temps hit region... coldest temps of season. If we get an Al Gore sighting, that means we get 4 more years of his GW BS.

781 albusteve  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 7:16:09am

re: #770 Taqiyyotomist

I had to find it. Google rocks.

Bad Moon Rising - 12 Horsepower

In a minor key. The way it should have been.

The one in my head is still better, and slower tempo.

you should give CCR more credit...a cover is flattery regardless...pretty east to say what should have been...you border on derogatory imo

782 FrogMarch  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 7:16:31am

Obama fans help the community.

'Mornin peeps.

783 goddessoftheclassroom  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 7:17:48am

Lizard Prayer List 1/11/09
Prayers for thanks, praise, comfort, strength, healing, and hope

Seeking Updates
Many thanks to Ben Z and Cap'n Doc for starting this.

Community issues:
Israel
Our country going forward
Georgia/Ossetia
Gilad Schalit, for his release.
The contractors still held hostage
Brian at Snapped Shot: for justice

Thanksgivings
BaseballMom57: husband recovering faster than expected and will soon be home
Lizard friends
Vxbush: health issues diagnosed
Wolfie: nephew (USAR-spec ops) got home from Iraq a couple of months ago safe and sound, and he and his wife are expecting their second child.
eschew_obfuscation: family’s health and happiness
Empire1: out of the hospital after suffering a stroke, practically fully recovered
Loppyd: future plans

Health issues:
logboy: recovery from injuries received in combat in Iraq
Dublin(CA)Dude – extensive cancer
gettinby: sister diagnosed with Sjogren’s Syndrome
Yochanan: d-i-l (ronite bas golda) undergoing surgery.
Knitwit: niece Elizabeth has a nasty MRSA infection after orthopedic surgery
tfc3rid: gf's 89 year old grandmother (suffered a a large stroke and is in rehab) and her uncle who is suffering from throat cancer; and continued prayers for dad who has MS
Typicalwhitey: father’s undergoing tests for pancreatic cancer
MNsnowlizard: Had open heart surgery in February (35 years old) and could be facing another one
twincitiesgirl: husband fighting cancer
Cato the elder: health issues
mikeymom: sister suffered a stroke
Josephine: daughter diagnosed with rare, chronic illness
yma o hyd: dear friend Anne has a blood disorder
jamsler: sister, just diagnosed with thyroid cancer; father, getting biopsy of a possible malignancy in his throat.
CoCo: mother paralyzed (due to strokes) and is now having new health problems
gop_patriot: friend’s 8-year-old son starting chemo
Pingjockey: friend Bob with a carcinoma, recovering from surgery
jorline: scleritis (eye disease), rheumatoid arthritis; father who has colon cancer
realwest: metastasizing cancer; mom Type II diabetes
AKAK: Parkinson’s diagnosis confirmed
eaglewingz08: intestinal cancer; has bad case of Grave’s disease, thyroid disorder
Noamsayin: niece and dad battling cancer
Truck Monkey: Brady (11-year-old with brain cancer who is on the football team he coaches)
Shaky Louie: chronic pancriatitis, and an (as yet) undiagnosed liver problem.
loppyd: step-father back in the hospital
Macker: health issues and treatment
newsjunkie_ky: Step-Dad
Sarah: dad (cancer);
Zonie: cancer and renal failure
Pro-Bush Canuck: sister’s illness
kcladderman: father’s throat cancer; just finisher second round of radiation
Clutch: 82-year-old mom’s recovery from eye surgery
BBev: wife’s illness and great pain, having gone from bad to worse
Kenneth: beloved daughter "M" serious chronic illness.
Cartman: liver and other health problems
Irene NYC: mom’s cancer
BenZacharia: wifffeee’s recovery from surgery
/cont’d

784 yma o hyd  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 7:17:52am

re: #771 newsjunkie_ky

{yma o hyd}
Doing pretty good, how about you? Knee getting better?
It's cold and damp here. We are going to get blasted with the cold this coming week. At least we didn't get all the snow that the North got.

Thats good to hear, that you're doing good!

Knee is ok-ish - but I stupidly tried to catch something in the kitchen today, and got my left hand into the steam from the kettle which had just boiled ... the same hand I fell on .. the one which is pretty arthritic ...
Can't win!

785 goddessoftheclassroom  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 7:18:04am

Lizard Prayer List, cont’d:
Family, friend, and life situations:
yma o hyd: ease the grief of friend who lost her husband of 59 years
Taqiyyotomist: strength in difficult times
FBV: that the unknowns find fulfillment
Vxbush: daughter’s financial issues
Yochanan: son in IDF
Bcgirl: sponsored child, Alia in Egypt
Wyatt Earp: Uncle Joe; prostate cancer returned
West Texas: brother’s decision
Victor_yugo: job
laZardo: strength of purpose
BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey: mom coming home from the hospital put still dealing with issues
A Kiwi Infidel: Natasha and her husband mourning the loss of the younger child.
mama winger: family (especially stepfather) dealing with stepbrother’s suicide.
MandyManners: finding answers and solutions
neocon hippie: grieving for big black kitty, Ripple
Cast Iron Magnolia: nephew, David, who's a Marine serving in Iraq
HHC 2-2 SCR: for those we lost and their family and friends and for thanks for those that are finally back and one for the safety of those still waiting to return.
lightsout: to make a wise decision
BeerDrinking VictoryMonkey: strength to overcome a personal issue, and for wisdom in discerning another one
Flynmudd: son deployed to Middle East
x-wing: son diagnosed with Asperger’s (mild autism)
HoosierHoops: 3/5th Marines deploying to Afghanistan in January (son Jordan is a platoon leader)
Mars Needs Neocons: job
jcm: previous foster daughters going back with families; new 5-week-old foster daughter.
Pvt Bin Jammin: best friend’s passing
Josephine: painful loss
Jammiewearingfool: sister’s passing
David Simon: mom (Alzheimer's)
Intrepid: Mom has Alzheimer's and Intrepid is caretaker
conservgirl: atheist SPM, that he finds the Lord
Lizards with family issues
Hayseed: extended family challenges
Noraono: colleagues laid off in building industry
antiislamist: in need of prayers
lone_wolf_in_illinois: friends and family in Israel
GotC: EH/kids
Danger close: general
zulubaby, Carl in Jerusalem, Mr Pol, Golden Jerusalem, basically all the minion in eretz Yisrael
noam sayin': comfort for a lost brother
DorianGrey: much sorrow
Buckeye Abroad: in the belly of the beast of Eurabia
ChildOfMary: job for hubby and health for self
nonic: general
yank in EU: general
MdiM: general
Suzette: general

786 MandyManners  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 7:18:17am

re: #693 Dar ul Harb

I appreciate how Mr. Martin's latest comments provide an out not only for himself (I don't have the raw footage -it's in the war zone, and I didn't see it, and didn't edit it), but for his bereaved friend (the video was shot by his cameraman), in case the whole thing completely falls apart.

Talk about passing the sheqel!

787 Xenobyte  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 7:18:35am

There was a pro-Israel demonstration yesterday on City Hall Square in Copenhagen which I attended (of course). It was really nice, the speakers talked about peace and peaceful co-existence and there was singing, both some songs in Hebrew which I don't understand a word of (but they sounded nice), a segment of the Israeli national anthem and likewise of the Danish national anthem. But a few hundred meters away a counter-demonstration was forming, featuring shouting Palestinians (or sympathizers) with their morbid pictures of dead children, calling for death and destruction, mostly in Arabic. They did their best to disrupt the pro-Israeli demonstration but in vain. As they become more desperate for attention, the police ended up having had enough and forced them away. While some returned later, most walked out to Nørrebro where vandalism became the thing to do. The police arrested 75 people.

Here's a danish news clip - sorry but I've been unable to find anything in english. The first part is a live report from the central police station where the bulk of the arrested were taken, the rest edited footage from the events of the day.

Youtube Video

I also took some pictures with my phone... Can we post pictures in comments here?

788 MandyManners  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 7:18:47am

Why is the picture going dark? It's not sunset over there yet.

789 realwest  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 7:18:52am

re: #760 goddessoftheclassroom Good morning {goddess} - no if I get requests for any, I'll e-mail 'em to you directly.

790 FrogMarch  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 7:19:15am

This is gross.
Hospital Scrubs Are a Germy, Deadly Mess

791 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 7:19:26am

Thank you, Goddess!

792 newsjunkie_ky  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 7:20:03am

re: #773 HoosierHoops

Hi News...how is the little puppy? I'm thinking about having winston shaved..
The whole dog hair thing didn't occur to me.. LOL
I got an award from Jerry Brown when I was in college..And I had the hots for Linda then..what a stud! LOL


Don't you dare shave Winston, he will never forgive you.
Pretty impressive, getting an award from the studdly mr. brown.
Used to love linda r. until she became unglued. Saw her many times in concert back in the 70s.
Izzy is doing great, still very much a puppy. Going to get pix taken on Monday.

793 HoosierHoops  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 7:20:18am

re: #760 goddessoftheclassroom

Good morning, Lizards. Any updates to the Prayer List before I post it?

Well Goddess..Since I thought Jordan was going to be in afganistan but got sent to Japan.. I would say your prayer list simply rocks...
You can take him off..Thank you from the deepest part of my heart..
Now..Since his new wife is preggie we get to simply spoil our grand baby while he is in Japan...Me likey
kind regards

794 yma o hyd  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 7:21:49am

re: #779 Crux Australis

Australian troops get a big one in Afghanistan.

Seeing that this Taliban commander was responsible for an Aussie soldier's death last week this only seems an appropriate response.

Well done - congrats to the Aussies!

Lesson: don't go and mess with the Aussies! Or else!

795 goddessoftheclassroom  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 7:22:11am

re: #789 realwest

Good morning {goddess} - no if I get requests for any, I'll e-mail 'em to you directly.

Thanks! I'd hate to miss anyone. I would never intentionally omit anyone.
Once a lizard posted a sarcastic comment about a health issue, saying, "But obviously this wasn't important enough to get on the prayer list," It rather hurt me that he thought I'd do that; I'd just never heard of the issue.

796 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 7:22:27am

Interview with GWB on FNS.

W: "We can't be seen as "anti" anyone, we have to be for..."

He still doesn't get it... we are for people, etc.... no matter what we do, the MSM and the Donks will label us as hatemongers and force us to prove we aren't.

Being squishy doesn't work. Ask McCain.

797 goddessoftheclassroom  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 7:23:11am

re: #793 HoosierHoops

Well Goddess..Since I thought Jordan was going to be in afganistan but got sent to Japan.. I would say your prayer list simply rocks...
You can take him off..Thank you from the deepest part of my heart..
Now..Since his new wife is preggie we get to simply spoil our grand baby while he is in Japan...Me likey
kind regards

May I move this to "Thanksgivings"?

798 realwest  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 7:23:29am

re: #772 reine.de.tout
Good morning reine! Uh comment #131? Ya sure?

799 yma o hyd  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 7:23:53am

re: #780 lawhawk

Global warming hits NYC hard; arctic temps hit region... coldest temps of season. If we get an Al Gore sighting, that means we get 4 more years of his GW BS.

Commiserations!
But - whatever you do, don't send this cold front to us, we just got rid of ours.

And do keep Algore, we've got enough of his clones here, thank you very much!

800 MandyManners  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 7:24:26am

re: #758 Luigi

Re #661 and others MandyManners

Sorry I have been logged in and out and haven't responded.

Yes, I do not understand what has happened in journalism where the press now respects the practice of law enforcement and the legal system to not release the identify of a guy who picks up a rifle and shoots at cops.

I mean, they can sure find Scooter Libby's name when they want to.

Let's face it, this apparent cover-up of the guy's identity has a whiff to it as though it may be a terrorism investigation. If it is, they should say so. If they can't figure out who the guy is, they should say that. People should understand that this sort of withholding of information is a two edged sword that can strike the innocent as deeply as the guilty. And no, I'm not writing for the Huffington Post. This is the last thing that would bother a liberal.

If this were part of an unfolding investigation that would alert other suspected terrorists, I could understand the paper not releasing the name or even the fact that the cops didn't want the name released. I wouldn't like it but, safety is important.

However, you're right about the two-edged sword. It places entirely too much power into the hands of law enforcement.

It's all a blancing act. Every day.

801 newsjunkie_ky  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 7:24:30am

re: #784 yma o hyd

Thats good to hear, that you're doing good!

Knee is ok-ish - but I stupidly tried to catch something in the kitchen today, and got my left hand into the steam from the kettle which had just boiled ... the same hand I fell on .. the one which is pretty arthritic ...
Can't win!

NOOOOOO! So sorry to hear that. I've done that before and know how that can hurt. Please baby yourself a little today. I am, I'm going to take a nap.
Later Lizards.

802 Taqiyyotomist  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 7:24:37am

re: #758 Luigi

Re #661 and others MandyManners

Sorry I have been logged in and out and haven't responded.

Yes, I do not understand what has happened in journalism where the press now respects the practice of law enforcement and the legal system to not release the identify of a guy who picks up a rifle and shoots at cops.

I mean, they can sure find Scooter Libby's name when they want to.

Let's face it, this apparent cover-up of the guy's identity has a whiff to it as though it may be a terrorism investigation. If it is, they should say so. If they can't figure out who the guy is, they should say that. People should understand that this sort of withholding of information is a two edged sword that can strike the innocent as deeply as the guilty. And no, I'm not writing for the Huffington Post. This is the last thing that would bother a liberal.

They want to avoid the inevitable Backlash by the American Misanthopes, whenever a killer named Al-Mahmoud has his identity released. Happens all the time, doncha know? You know...that backlash we're always hearing is gonna happen. Oh, wait. It never did. Not after 9/11, not after the Utah mall shooting. Not after any Mohammadan decided to revert to its natural state of barbarism and kill non-Rock-Worshippers. The only backlash I've seen lately is that recent upswing in Moonbat-on-Jew and Mohammadan-on-Jew violence. I wonder if the MSM are calling that a Backlash.

If a violent incident occurs, and the dude's name is Al-Mahmoud, they won't release the name. We know that template, we've seen it in action too many times. If his name were Billy Joe Oskins, we'd know his name, his party affiliation, his church, the church's address, and we'd have quotes from his pastor, and a list of Conservative books found at his house. The press would hold vigil outside the dude's church, even if he only went there once ten years ago. In the case of Al-Mahmoud, we wouldn't know IF he was a Muslim, nevermind where he went to mosque, who his spiritual and political guides are, or what books are to be found in his posession.

I know the template. When they don't release the name of an offender, I can only make a very educated guess.

803 HoosierHoops  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 7:25:04am

re: #797 goddessoftheclassroom

May I move this to "Thanksgivings"?

You betcha!

804 Iron Fist  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 7:25:44am

re: #585 Luigi

I'm surprised that they don't give the make and model of the gun. After all, we all know that it is the gun who shoots people in this kind of situation. The person who happens to be holding the gun is incidental. Especially if the name of the shooter happens to contain "Mohammed" in any of its many spellings.

805 realwest  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 7:25:56am

re: #776 HoosierHoops
No you won't! Besides I just did that - sang harmony with Amazing Grace and House of the Rising Sun and it isn't there!

806 MandyManners  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 7:26:26am

re: #788 MandyManners

Why is the picture going dark? It's not sunset over there yet.

Oh, yes it is.

807 yma o hyd  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 7:26:33am

re: #788 MandyManners

Why is the picture going dark? It's not sunset over there yet.

Been dark for me for quite a while - perhaps someone messed with the Gazan electricity? Like, the IDF?

808 goddessoftheclassroom  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 7:26:33am

re: #803 HoosierHoops

You betcha!

Done!

809 albusteve  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 7:27:06am

re: #799 yma o hyd

Commiserations!
But - whatever you do, don't send this cold front to us, we just got rid of ours.

And do keep Algore, we've got enough of his clones here, thank you very much!

it's getting closer to a time when Gore should be officially called out on this fantasy...there is plenty of contradictory evidence against this madness...who will do it tho?...some sanctioned body?

810 realwest  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 7:27:33am

re: #778 newsjunkie_ky
Yep - some folks get off on violence - real, not movie or game type violence. Long as they're not in danger themselves.
Scum. Just scum.
BTW, received and replied!

811 Danderfoot  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 7:27:39am

Good Sunday morning lizards!

I need to know something. What brand of SUVs have a chrome grille with the vertical bars about 3/4 inch wide, and about a 1 inch wide gap between? I witnessed a crime last night after imbibing quite a few adult beverages, called the cops, and felt like a moron for getting the license plate number rather than a make/model.

812 MandyManners  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 7:27:57am

re: #787 Xenobyte

Have police in other nations been making arrests?

813 yma o hyd  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 7:28:42am

re: #795 goddessoftheclassroom

{goddess}
We love you - and we know you're not a mind-reader (yet!).

And thank you for the update!

814 Taqiyyotomist  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 7:28:54am

re: #775 Dar ul Harb

The tape, filmed by Ashraf’s cameraman, was fed to London and used by several outlets, without WNF itself actually having the facility to watch it beforehand.

Who is he kidding? Was it recorded on Betamax? What journo doesn't have the means to watch a video? What the hell? Maybe it was recorded on IMAX film, and they needed a big projector? How stupid does he think we are?

Do these journos still even USE TAPE?

815 MandyManners  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 7:28:56am

re: #793 HoosierHoops

Well Goddess..Since I thought Jordan was going to be in afganistan but got sent to Japan.. I would say your prayer list simply rocks...
You can take him off..Thank you from the deepest part of my heart..
Now..Since his new wife is preggie we get to simply spoil our grand baby while he is in Japan...Me likey
kind regards

Great to hear!

816 Taqiyyotomist  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 7:29:14am

re: #785 goddessoftheclassroom

Thank you, gotc.

817 albusteve  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 7:29:29am

re: #811 Danderfoot

Good Sunday morning lizards!

I need to know something. What brand of SUVs have a chrome grille with the vertical bars about 3/4 inch wide, and about a 1 inch wide gap between? I witnessed a crime last night after imbibing quite a few adult beverages, called the cops, and felt like a moron for getting the license plate number rather than a make/model.

Jeep?

818 HoosierHoops  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 7:30:02am

re: #805 realwest

No you won't! Besides I just did that - sang harmony with Amazing Grace and House of the Rising Sun and it isn't there!

I Heard 2 girls sing it once and it was haunting and beautiful..
This just means you suk as a singer..LOL
I can't explain it my friend

819 goddessoftheclassroom  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 7:30:05am

re: #813 yma o hyd

{goddess}
We love you - and we know you're not a mind-reader (yet!).

And thank you for the update!

You are so sweet!
{yma o hyd}
I hope you hand is better soon. Scalds are so painful.

820 caliredst8r  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 7:30:41am

sounds like a Lincoln Navigator

821 uptight  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 7:31:02am

Huge Pro-Israel Rally in London

I've just got back from Trafalgar Square in London, where 20,000 demonstrated their solidarity with Israel and protested against Hamas terrorism.

There were many Christians, Hindus and Sikhs in the crowd too.

It feel great to not be alone.

Pictures from London rallies for Israel this week

822 Lincolntf  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 7:31:24am

Good morning all.
Still recovering from the absolute spanking that the Panthers got last night, but I see that Mr. Martin bailed out on us. What a chump.
His comment (thanks for posting it here, Dar) is less than impressive. What kind of media figure refuses to discuss his own work/story? A crooked one.

823 yma o hyd  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 7:31:31am

re: #802 Taqiyyotomist

You're spot on!
And this is happening right across the western MFM. No name given, you can bet it was a 'Mohammed' of some sort or other ...

824 goddessoftheclassroom  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 7:31:41am

re: #821 uptight

Huge Pro-Israel Rally in London

I've just got back from Trafalgar Square in London, where 20,000 demonstrated their solidarity with Israel and protested against Hamas terrorism.

There were many Christians, Hindus and Sikhs in the crowd too.

It feel great to not be alone.

Pictures from London rallies for Israel this week

That is wonderful to hear.

825 Taqiyyotomist  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 7:32:00am

re: #811 Danderfoot

Sounds like maybe a (ugly-ass) Ford Edge.

826 jaunte  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 7:32:03am

re: #814 Taqiyyotomist

Paul Martin says:
"WORLD NEWS & FEATURES, which has been operating in zones of conflict since 2001, is responsible for the supply of video material to a number of major television stations during this Gaza conflict..."
but apparently his responsibility doesn't include actually looking at the material he's selling.

827 ArmyWife  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 7:32:13am

What was that thump? Did our camera man just fall down?

828 Danderfoot  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 7:32:36am

re: #817 albusteve

No, that's just too far apart. It was a bulkier-type SUV, late model if not new, black, but I remember the grille the best.

Again, I was not sober.

829 realwest  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 7:32:38am

re: #779 Crux Australis
Good to see the Australian SAS hasn't changed any! Didn't serve with 'em in Vietnam, but met some in a "bar" (tent, plank, sawhorses type thing) and just LOVED their attitude!
Say, did you ever see an Australian Vietnam movie called "The Odd Angry Shot"? If not go get it and see it - just a great flick.

830 Taqiyyotomist  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 7:33:21am

re: #823 yma o hyd

You're spot on!
And this is happening right across the western MFM. No name given, you can bet it was a 'Mohammed' of some sort or other ...

Well, the problem is, not ALWAYS. About 1/10 of the time, they release the name two weeks later, and it IS Billy John Oskins, and the left-o-sphere has a hearty laugh at all us bigots.

831 yma o hyd  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 7:33:25am

re: #809 albusteve

Heh.

Better invest in flying-pig stocks!

832 albusteve  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 7:34:15am

re: #828 Danderfoot

No, that's just too far apart. It was a bulkier-type SUV, late model if not new, black, but I remember the grille the best.

Again, I was not sober.

bad guess...I'm not much of a car guy...I haul my beer in a little Jetta

833 Danderfoot  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 7:34:48am

re: #825 Taqiyyotomist

No, wider, flatter, taller front. I would have guessed last night that it was a Lincoln or Cadillac, but searching for a picture today, I can't find a grille that squares with my memory.

834 realwest  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 7:34:58am

re: #795 goddessoftheclassroom Well {goddess} ya can't please all the people all the time. I'm personally VERY grateful that you've taken on the maintenance of The List for us all. And if someone wants to have themselves or someone else added they need to direct your attention to it. Or E-MAIL ME and I'll get it to you.
Seriously, much love and thanks for your work on The List.

835 albusteve  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 7:35:06am

re: #831 yma o hyd

Heh.

Better invest in flying-pig stocks!

it will happen...later than sooner probably but it will

836 Geepers  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 7:35:30am

uptight (#821),

I'm sure it's no suprise to you, but:

The BBC is trying to turn a pro-Israel rally in the UK today into an anti Israel rally. It is quoting dhimmified Jewish leaders who are now physically afraid of their Muslim neighbors, and not reporting the violent antisemitism that has made them afraid.

See Luigi's post at #537.

837 Crux Australis  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 7:35:32am

The RAM on my computer is nearly maxed-out. Time to go.

838 Blackacre  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 7:35:41am

Not surprisingly, Paul Martin's response is larded with self-serving statements of objectivity and feigned umbrage over the criticisms directed at this propaganda, but precious little in terms of facts that address the many red flags in the scenes that have been aired.

The most that Martin offers is a lame excuse -- which never actually comes to grips with the lack of vigor of the CPR, the disconnected leads on the medical equipment, the absence of larger quantities of blood on the sheets, or the presence of clothes remaining on a body in an ER that was supposedly inflicted by various shrapnel wounds -- that is nothing more than his supposition that the CPR was gentle because the White Lab Coat GuysTM had already concluded that their "efforts" were futile.

What is shown is just the very final stage of doctors’ failed efforts to save Mahmoud. I suppose the reason their effort as shown is so gentle is that they have already in effect concluded that it is futile.

Notwithstanding his rhetoric, Martin has failed to come forward with any facts demonstrating that this video production is anything other than stage-managed Pallywood propaganda. His indignation, righteous or otherwise, does not suffice.

839 MandyManners  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 7:35:57am

re: #831 yma o hyd

Heh.

Better invest in flying-pig stocks!

Speaking of which, I was listening to NPR while driving back here this morning. Israeli offensive. Bombardment. Blah. Blah. Blah. Then, the reporter said that Israel will stop firing on Gaza once Hamas stops firing rockets into Israel.

840 gregg  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 7:35:58am

re: #779 Crux Australis

Australian troops get a big one in Afghanistan.

Seeing that this Taliban commander was responsible for an Aussie soldier's death last week this only seems an appropriate response.

Aussie, Aussie, Aussie! (Or is that cheer limited to sporting events?)

841 desdichado  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 7:36:22am

re: #787 Xenobyte


Hey Xenobyte,

Very interesting video on the demonstration.

843 MandyManners  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 7:36:42am

The droning continues.

844 yma o hyd  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 7:37:03am

re: #819 goddessoftheclassroom

You are so sweet!
{yma o hyd}
I hope you hand is better soon. Scalds are so painful.

Held it under the icy cold running tap straightaway - which the arthritis did not like at all!
Still - there are far worse things in life ...

845 goddessoftheclassroom  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 7:37:06am

re: #834 realwest

Well {goddess} ya can't please all the people all the time. I'm personally VERY grateful that you've taken on the maintenance of The List for us all. And if someone wants to have themselves or someone else added they need to direct your attention to it. Or E-MAIL ME and I'll get it to you.
Seriously, much love and thanks for your work on The List.

But I do try hard to do so!

Thanks.

846 ArmyWife  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 7:37:12am

anyone watching Gazacam? It looks like the operator is trying to zoom in on something, darkening the picture, etc but can't quite get what he wants to show up well.

847 albusteve  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 7:37:15am

re: #839 MandyManners

Speaking of which, I was listening to NPR while driving back here this morning. Israeli offensive. Bombardment. Blah. Blah. Blah. Then, the reporter said that Israel will stop firing on Gaza once Hamas stops firing rockets into Israel.

at least a flying piglett!

848 realwest  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 7:37:24am

re: #804 Iron Fist
Or "Ali"! Good morning Bro'! How are you today?

849 Dar ul Harb  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 7:37:47am

Can't hardly blame Mr. Martin for having second thoughts about showing up here, though.

It's quite formidable to think that you'll be cross-examined and whatever you say will be instantly picked apart by a jury of thousands of intelligent folks with centuries of combined experience in a vast array of different vocations...

(Doesn't quite seem fair, does it?)

850 MandyManners  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 7:38:41am

re: #842 lawhawk

BBC report on the pro-Israel demonstrations against Hamas and their use of Gazans as human shields.

That's a surprising article.

851 desdichado  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 7:38:41am

re: #824 goddessoftheclassroom

Nice pictures of the pro-Israel rally in London. I especially liked the Hindu/Sikh element. Hindus seem to be less enamored of Muslim terrorism, for obvious reasons.

852 goddessoftheclassroom  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 7:38:50am

re: #849 Dar ul Harb

Can't hardly blame Mr. Martin for having second thoughts about showing up here, though.

It's quite formidable to think that you'll be cross-examined and whatever you say will be instantly picked apart by a jury of thousands of intelligent folks with centuries of combined experience in a vast array of different vocations...

(Doesn't quite seem fair, does it?)

From Powerline this morning, who have cited Charles extensively

853 reine.de.tout  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 7:39:07am

re: #838 Blackacre

Not surprisingly, Paul Martin's response is larded with self-serving statements of objectivity and feigned umbrage over the criticisms directed at this propaganda, but precious little in terms of facts that address the many red flags in the scenes that have been aired.

The most that Martin offers is a lame excuse -- which never actually comes to grips with the lack of vigor of the CPR, the disconnected leads on the medical equipment, the absence of larger quantities of blood on the sheets, or the presence of clothes remaining on a body in an ER that was supposedly inflicted by various shrapnel wounds -- that is nothing more than his supposition that the CPR was gentle because the White Lab Coat GuysTM had already concluded that their "efforts" were futile.

Notwithstanding his rhetoric, Martin has failed to come forward with any facts demonstrating that this video production is anything other than stage-managed Pallywood propaganda. His indignation, righteous or otherwise, does not suffice.

exactly.
Mr Martin's entire argument seems to be that he's worked with Ashraf and his late brother Ahmed, and he likes them and thinks they are honest.

That seems to be the entire argument.

854 Dar ul Harb  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 7:39:16am

re: #849 Dar ul Harb

Of course, that's the basis of democracy, as well.

But look where it has lead us lately...

855 MandyManners  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 7:39:46am

re: #847 albusteve

at least a flying piglett!

Then, the reporter said that Hamas has refused a cease-fire until the Israelis' offensive stops and the borders are opened.

856 reine.de.tout  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 7:39:47am

re: #846 ArmyWife

anyone watching Gazacam? It looks like the operator is trying to zoom in on something, darkening the picture, etc but can't quite get what he wants to show up well.

I'm watching. I left 10 minutes or so ago and there was still light. Now it seems to be completely dark.

857 realwest  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 7:40:05am

re: #814 Taqiyyotomist
"Do these journos still even USE TAPE?" Of course they do - the same one, over and over again! Hey, things are tight for the media right now and they need to say $$$ anyway they can!

858 MandyManners  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 7:40:37am

re: #849 Dar ul Harb

Can't hardly blame Mr. Martin for having second thoughts about showing up here, though.

It's quite formidable to think that you'll be cross-examined and whatever you say will be instantly picked apart by a jury of thousands of intelligent folks with centuries of combined experience in a vast array of different vocations...

(Doesn't quite seem fair, does it?)

Cue the hand-wringing and whining.

859 yma o hyd  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 7:41:29am

re: #821 uptight

Huge Pro-Israel Rally in London

I've just got back from Trafalgar Square in London, where 20,000 demonstrated their solidarity with Israel and protested against Hamas terrorism.

There were many Christians, Hindus and Sikhs in the crowd too.

It feel great to not be alone.

Pictures from London rallies for Israel this week

20.000 - good!
Mind, the Beeb has 15.000, and quotes the police with 4.000!

I see that my favourite rabbi, Sir Jonathan Sacks, was a speaker. Excellent!

(No, I'm not Jewish, but I utterly admire his column in the TIMES: every one is a gem to be treasured!)

860 realwest  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 7:41:31am

re: #821 uptight
Thank you very much for that comment and the two photos - do you have anymore photos?!

861 Geepers  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 7:42:36am

Dar ul Harb (#849),

Can't hardly blame Mr. Martin for having second thoughts about showing up here, though.

It's quite formidable to think that you'll be cross-examined and whatever you say will be instantly picked apart by a jury of thousands of intelligent folks with centuries of combined experience in a vast array of different vocations...

(Doesn't quite seem fair, does it?)

He could have easily answered all our concerns if only his story were true.

862 albusteve  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 7:43:04am

re: #855 MandyManners

Then, the reporter said that Hamas has refused a cease-fire until the Israelis' offensive stops and the borders are opened.


NPR has an imposter at the mic sounds like....I hate those guys, it's quite a turnabout....wonder what that afternoon she pig has to say about it...Amy Nogood or whoever she is

863 abolitionist  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 7:44:04am

Last night I did a bit of research on the late Everett Dirksen, former Senator from Illinois.

As Republican Senate leader he played a highly visible and key role in the politics of the 1960s, including helping to write and pass the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and the Open Housing Act of 1968, both landmarks of Civil Rights legislation. He was one of the Senate's strongest supporters of the Vietnam War.

Dirksen had a cameo appearance in The Monitors, made in Chicago, 1969, the year he died. The plot was a little more weird than Plan 9. Summary:

Unusual sci-fi invasion film, with a black-comedy twist: The Earth is taken over by The Monitors, aliens who run it like hall monitors in a 1950's high school, with overtones of Big Brother. The film follows the progress of the human underground rebellion. The twist is that as the film goes on, the audience's sympathies shift to the aliens, who are basically benevolent. When the humans manage to oust them, it's back to corruption and bribery by the usual suspects. Written by Phil Olenick

I'm going to be on the lookout for a copy.

864 yma o hyd  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 7:44:32am

re: #839 MandyManners

Speaking of which, I was listening to NPR while driving back here this morning. Israeli offensive. Bombardment. Blah. Blah. Blah. Then, the reporter said that Israel will stop firing on Gaza once Hamas stops firing rockets into Israel.

Well!
A tiny-flying-piglet-moment!
Wonders will never cease ...

865 Taqiyyotomist  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 7:46:24am

Maybe some journos and newsgathering agencies still use digital "tape" per se, I don't know.

866 realwest  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 7:46:49am

re: #842 lawhawk
Morning lawhawk! Well what do you expect, it's the Beeb after all.

867 albusteve  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 7:47:31am

re: #865 Taqiyyotomist

Maybe some journos and newsgathering agencies still use digital "tape" per se, I don't know.

well they used alot of duct tape to keep that story together! :)

868 HoosierHoops  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 7:47:31am

re: #865 Taqiyyotomist

Maybe some journos and newsgathering agencies still use digital "tape" per se, I don't know.

It's all digital.. I haven't used tape in yearsl

869 Harvey  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 7:48:32am

re: #865 Taqiyyotomist

Either analogue tape or digital, electronic cameras should be able to review the tape through the viewfinder for the cameraman to ensure that the subject has been recorded.

870 Taqiyyotomist  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 7:49:00am

New Threaddage!

871 lawhawk  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 7:49:37am

So, I'm checking Getty Images this morning, as I've been doing for some time now as part of my morning ritual, and guess what they're leading with?

Photo montages of the Israeli occupation of Gaza since 1967.

Memo to Getty Images.

Israel has unilaterally withdrawn from Gaza since 2005. Israel provided civil administrative control over Gaza to the Palestinians as part of the Gaza Jericho Accords, Wye, and the Oslo Accords beginning in 1993. Israelis living in Gaza were forcibly removed in 2005. No Israeli occupation since then.

By running the photo series as an occupation since 1967, it is a blatant lie about the current situation in Gaza. It is a purposeful misrepresentation and distortion.

And it's now captured for posterity on my blog.

872 Alouette  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 7:50:32am

Holocaust Envy

873 Dar ul Harb  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 7:51:20am

re: #861 Geepers

Dar ul Harb (#849),

He could have easily answered all our concerns if only his story were true.

But... but... he... he doesn't have the original tape... he's never seen it... and now it's at the bottom of an enormous bomb crater in Gaza where his (and his clients') credibility used to be (such as it is), and well...

Oh, The Huge Manatee!

874 yma o hyd  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 7:51:39am

Gawd. Look at this:
'5:18 PM IDF Censor releases for publication; About an hour ago, Gunfire from Syria directed at Israelis at workers in the area of the village of Alonei HaBashan on the Golan Heights. Israel has raised a formal complaint with the UN. No injuries reported.'
[Link: muqata.blogspot.com...]

Will the UN have anything to say about this?
Don't hold your breath ...

875 reine.de.tout  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 7:53:32am

re: #861 Geepers

Dar ul Harb (#849),

He could have easily answered all our concerns if only his story were true.

Yes.
Martin's comment at Augean Stables was a coward's way out.

He puts together a statement, after having read through all the criticisms.

He makes what he apparently thinks is a good effort at answering the questions and criticisms, but his responses are simply emotion-based questions about the motives of the persons with the criticism. Either he's stupid, or he thinks we are.

And a commenter at Augean Stables made the observation that not only do the BBC and CNN versions of the story differ, but Mr. Martin's written piece from yesterday gives yet a third version:

I read your BBC piece on that topic:
[Link: news.bbc.co.uk...]

“Then an unmanned Israeli aircraft fired two small rockets.
Ashraf rushed upstairs and took the boys to hospital, but it was hopeless. They were buried the same day”

That suggests that he was at home and ... the CNN and the Channel 4 narrative suggests out for filming.

Again - either Mr Martin is stupid or he is arrogant enough to believe he's smarter than all the rest of the world.

876 albusteve  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 7:54:02am

re: #874 yma o hyd

Gawd. Look at this:
'5:18 PM IDF Censor releases for publication; About an hour ago, Gunfire from Syria directed at Israelis at workers in the area of the village of Alonei HaBashan on the Golan Heights. Israel has raised a formal complaint with the UN. No injuries reported.'
[Link: muqata.blogspot.com...]

Will the UN have anything to say about this?
Don't hold your breath ...

they will petition each other to set up a meeting to debate a proposal for a resolution etc etc....

877 realwest  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 7:54:12am

re: #874 yma o hyd
Oh yeah, the UN will have plenty to say - blaming the Israeli's for providing "irresistible targets"!

878 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Sun, Jan 11, 2009 7:59:00am