Video: School and Zoo Booby-Trapped by Hamas
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IDF forces in Gaza show the extensive booby-traps laid by Hamas in a dismal little zoo and a school.
(Hat tip: Killgore.)
334 comments
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sun, Jan 11, 2009 1:05:01pm |
Killgore is allllll up in they stuff.
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CapeCoddah Sun, Jan 11, 2009 1:05:14pm |
Hamas booby trapped their own cages? Too much to wish for.
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freedombilly Sun, Jan 11, 2009 1:05:49pm |
No uniforms. Human shields. Booby trapped schools. Keep it classy Hamas!
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ironbill Sun, Jan 11, 2009 1:06:17pm |
Well at least we can see that they love animals as little as their children.
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jcm Sun, Jan 11, 2009 1:07:19pm |
The Juice sneak in and booby trap stuff, it can't be the peaceful Gazans.
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CapeCoddah Sun, Jan 11, 2009 1:07:57pm |
Innocent children and animals. The most helpless among us. Miserable fucking bastards.
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Dustyvet Sun, Jan 11, 2009 1:08:29pm |
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lawhawk Sun, Jan 11, 2009 1:09:01pm |
Where's the human rights groups to complain about Hamas and their repeated use of human shields, using kids as props, and child soldiers? The silence is deafening. Israel keeps coming across this throughout Gaza - whether it's schools, residences, mosques, or hospitals. Hamas has turned all of Gaza into one huge trap - and Hamas is more than willing to serve up civilian casualties and claim it's Israel's fault. Hamas turns schools into targets by firing on Israelis from in and around schools.
The media will portray it no differently, even though the blame resides squarely on Hamas.
Cox and Forkum had it right way back in 2006. Palestinian body armor are kids.
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doppelganglander Sun, Jan 11, 2009 1:09:05pm |
I can't even watch this stuff. There is no limit to the moral depravity of Hamas, and by extension of its supporters.
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freedombilly Sun, Jan 11, 2009 1:09:35pm |
re: #10 CapeCoddah
Innocent children and animals. The most helpless among us. Miserable fucking bastards.
Posts like this make me wish we were allowed one post per day that would give two up-dings to.
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seekeroftruth Sun, Jan 11, 2009 1:09:46pm |
Will this get the PETA's attention? They could be an interesting ally for Israel...
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JammieWearingFool Sun, Jan 11, 2009 1:09:59pm |
Well, so much for that title defense.
Eagles were just the better team today.
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whiterasta Sun, Jan 11, 2009 1:09:59pm |
I hope the chief moonbat bitch from PETA sends hamas a tersely worded note...
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Arbalest Sun, Jan 11, 2009 1:10:56pm |
Odds that CNN/Paul Martin claims that the IDF installed the fuse, then filmed the scene?
After all, CNN/Paul Martin hasn't broken bread with these IDF soldiers . . .
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Dustyvet Sun, Jan 11, 2009 1:11:12pm |
re: #19 whiterasta
I hope the chief moonbat bitch from PETA sends hamas a tersely worded note...
Thanks I was I just thinking that...:)
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ironbill Sun, Jan 11, 2009 1:11:32pm |
This should turn the propaganda tide!
Putting innocent caged animals at risk. PETA will put an end to this craziness for sure!
(sarcasm off, shaking head in disbelief)
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sun, Jan 11, 2009 1:12:06pm |
re: #18 JammieWearingFool
Well, so much for that title defense.
Eagles were just the better team today.
You mean to tell me the Cardinals are going to be playing the Eagles for the NFC Championship? Really?
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debutaunt Sun, Jan 11, 2009 1:12:13pm |
re: #20 buzzsawmonkey
If Hamas devoted one-tenth of the energy, money, time and material it spends on murder and booby-traps to the betterment of the people it rules, Gaza would be another Monaco.
Can you imagine what it would be like if bin Laden and Soros put some of their fortunes to positive use?
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Bloodnok Sun, Jan 11, 2009 1:12:45pm |
The footage reminds me of a video.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sun, Jan 11, 2009 1:12:50pm |
Think Realwest is a big Giants fan.
Real's gonna be in a mooood!
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Killgore Trout Sun, Jan 11, 2009 1:13:06pm |
At 1:51 the detonator wire runs under a pile of what appears to be bags of donated food (animal feed). I don't recognize the label.
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jones Sun, Jan 11, 2009 1:13:20pm |
Q: How was shop class today Achmed?
A: I aced my final. Turn on the news and you can see.
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Opinionated Sun, Jan 11, 2009 1:13:37pm |
I'm guessing this video is not a Ashraf Mashharawi/Paul Martin production.
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JammieWearingFool Sun, Jan 11, 2009 1:13:48pm |
re: #24 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
You mean to tell me the Cardinals are going to be playing the Eagles for the NFC Championship? Really?
Go figure.
And go Cardinals! The only team I have left to root for is the Chargers. And the way things are going with my picks they'll be finished in about four hours.
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debutaunt Sun, Jan 11, 2009 1:13:53pm |
re: #28 Killgore Trout
At 1:51 the detonator wire runs under a pile of what appears to be bags of donated food (animal feed). I don't recognize the label.
Kibble blown to bits.
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whiterasta Sun, Jan 11, 2009 1:14:38pm |
re: #20 buzzsawmonkey
No. It would still be a stinking islamic swamp.
They love it. They love living in ignorance and poverty. They wallow in it and love wallowing in it.
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ironbill Sun, Jan 11, 2009 1:14:39pm |
re: #18 JammieWearingFool
I share your pain bro.
Out-coached (not deferring the kick) and out-played (2 failed 4th and inches)
son of a bitch
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Racer X Sun, Jan 11, 2009 1:14:41pm |
He who controls the media writes history. There will be no one to go back and set the record straight! These m@ther_____'s need to be exposed now. Today. F*ck!
Is there no one in the media on the side of truth?
/really pissed off now.
And fuck you Paul Martin!
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Killgore Trout Sun, Jan 11, 2009 1:14:49pm |
Previously at the Gaza Zoo....
Flinging cats by the tail on Hamas TV
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yochanan Sun, Jan 11, 2009 1:14:53pm |
re: #32 JammieWearingFool
Go figure.
And go Cardinals! The only team I have left to root for is the Chargers. And the way things are going with my picks they'll be finished in about four hours.
THE TEAM I AM ROOTING FOR IS THE I.D.F.
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Dianna Sun, Jan 11, 2009 1:14:56pm |
Digusting. Of course, after it went boom, Hamas would be out there claiming that the Israelis blew up the school.
And the western media would eat it up with a spoon.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sun, Jan 11, 2009 1:15:31pm |
re: #32 JammieWearingFool
Well, as NFC East fans you and I have no choice but to root for the Cardinals. Damn Eagles. Baltimore looks good too.
Eagles won an ugly game, but didn't play great.
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Age Of Freedom Sun, Jan 11, 2009 1:15:48pm |
We can't see anything defaming in this video other than the murderous IDF soldiers terrifyingly siege the caged animals.
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//CNN
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reine.de.tout Sun, Jan 11, 2009 1:16:10pm |
re: #40 Dianna
Digusting. Of course, after it went boom, Hamas would be out there claiming that the Israelis blew up the school.
And the western media would eat it up with a spoon.
Exactly.
That's was the whole point of the booby-trap.
And to heck with the kids.
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CapeCoddah Sun, Jan 11, 2009 1:16:21pm |
re: #39 yochanan
THE TEAM I AM ROOTING FOR IS THE I.D.F.
Have you heard from your son, Yoch, is he OK?
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MarineGrunt Sun, Jan 11, 2009 1:16:36pm |
Spike the booby trap and leave it as is, when the goons come to check on their handy work, BOOOOMMMMMMMM.
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jcm Sun, Jan 11, 2009 1:16:39pm |
re: #13 buzzsawmonkey
Splodeygoats at the petting zoo!
And the donkeyboom rides. Go for both distance and altitude record and get a free stuffed bomb vest!
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Killgore Trout Sun, Jan 11, 2009 1:16:57pm |
re: #40 Dianna
Yes, the Palestinians missed a big PR victory by failing to blow up their own zoo.
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mean Gene Sun, Jan 11, 2009 1:17:07pm |
Given enough time and Hamas might have destroyed all of Gaza's entire infrastructure themselves!
Looks like in terms of moral brakes nothing stops them.
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Opinionated Sun, Jan 11, 2009 1:17:07pm |
Hey, I don't want to miss it, caould someone tell me when CNN or MSNBC or CBS maybe will broadcast this.
If it when Pigs Fly, will that be AM or PM.
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Dianna Sun, Jan 11, 2009 1:17:43pm |
re: #44 reine.de.tout
Yep.
I'm sorry for the kids. It's got to be scary to know that the adults around you would kill you in an instant for a picture.
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Dustyvet Sun, Jan 11, 2009 1:18:08pm |
re: #40 Dianna
Digusting. Of course, after it went boom, Hamas would be out there claiming that the Israelis blew up the school.
And the western media would eat it up with a spoon.
Rockets from Gaza hit Israeli city as children head to school
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Dianna Sun, Jan 11, 2009 1:18:14pm |
re: #48 Killgore Trout
Yes, the Palestinians missed a big PR victory by failing to blow up their own zoo.
They did, didn't they.
Dreadful.
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albusteve Sun, Jan 11, 2009 1:18:14pm |
re: #24 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
You mean to tell me the Cardinals are going to be playing the Eagles for the NFC Championship? Really?
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Idle Drifter Sun, Jan 11, 2009 1:18:24pm |
Wiring entire buildings to explode is the same trick that was used in the Battle of Fallujah as death traps for the attacking Soldiers and Marines clearing the city house to house. In this case it would have been used to attack Israeli Soldiers directly or as to boost propaganda after scores of children and zoo animals were detonated.
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JammieWearingFool Sun, Jan 11, 2009 1:18:40pm |
re: #35 ironbill
I share your pain bro.
Out-coached (not deferring the kick) and out-played (2 failed 4th and inches)
son of a bitch
That was dreadful. They didn't deserve it at all they way they played.
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goddessoftheclassroom Sun, Jan 11, 2009 1:18:50pm |
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Opinionated Sun, Jan 11, 2009 1:19:04pm |
Gaza, where the real animals are outside the zoo.
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whiterasta Sun, Jan 11, 2009 1:19:41pm |
re: #52 Dianna
The kids are taught from birth that the highest honor they can receive is be killed. Esp if they kill some Jews in the service of the moon-god lala.
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albusteve Sun, Jan 11, 2009 1:19:51pm |
re: #55 albusteve
Cardinals/Chargers...what's not to like?...new blood
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sun, Jan 11, 2009 1:19:58pm |
re: #59 JammieWearingFool
That was dreadful. They didn't deserve it at all they way they played.
I disagree totally. They completely deserved it; the way they played.
(Was rooting for them too.)
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CapeCoddah Sun, Jan 11, 2009 1:19:59pm |
re: #61 Opinionated
Gaza, where the real animals are outside the zoo.
Don't call them animals,, animals would never commit such crimes. There is no word yet to adequately describe what these things are.
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PAUL72002 Sun, Jan 11, 2009 1:21:11pm |
re: #19 whiterasta
Good luck. She will instead claim that the footage was faked, nevermind that this video doesn't have editing breaks in it like the ones from Hamas
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swamprat Sun, Jan 11, 2009 1:21:29pm |
Booby traps were not hidden. They were set to blow up da owl uh, the zoo. Maybe they were going to use it as an impromptu jail? Or did not want it to be used as one.
Better explanation; blow it up and blame someone else. It was probably a safehouse, with scores of women and children inside.
/italics indicate sarcasm
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bj Sun, Jan 11, 2009 1:22:12pm |
So where is PETA in the scheme of things? No gaza office? No reps protesting to protect these helpless animals? What gives?
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ironbill Sun, Jan 11, 2009 1:22:25pm |
re: #59 JammieWearingFool
They have played pretty flat the last 5 weeks with the exception of the Carolina game.
I feel like I just wasted 17 precious Sundays of my life
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lawhawk Sun, Jan 11, 2009 1:22:46pm |
re: #59 JammieWearingFool
That was dreadful. They didn't deserve it at all they way they played.
And how many experts will focus on Plaxico's mess being the reason for the failures... /grrrrrr
Now we get to hear about Philly again? /all I can say is go whoever plays Philly!
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LGoPs Sun, Jan 11, 2009 1:23:05pm |
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whiterasta Sun, Jan 11, 2009 1:23:18pm |
re: #70 bj
Those hot PETA bitches walking around like uncovered meat?
They know what would happen......
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reine.de.tout Sun, Jan 11, 2009 1:23:21pm |
re: #40 Dianna
Digusting. Of course, after it went boom, Hamas would be out there claiming that the Israelis blew up the school.
And the western media would eat it up with a spoon.
And of course - the type of thing shown in this video is exactly what makes this Cardinal's statement so completely and mind-numbingly stupid and atrocious.
If the Catholic church is truly concerned about members who no longer go to Mass or who convert to other religions, they need to understand that the "lapsed Catholic" phenomenon has to do less with strict requirements regarding birth control and other issues, and more to do with the lack of logic and the denial of truth espoused by the likes of Cardinal Martino.
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LGoPs Sun, Jan 11, 2009 1:25:07pm |
re: #65 CapeCoddah
Don't call them animals,, animals would never commit such crimes. There is no word yet to adequately describe what these things are.
Rabid animals would be an appropriate description. And you don't negotiate with rabid animals....you put them down.
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reine.de.tout Sun, Jan 11, 2009 1:25:47pm |
re: #52 Dianna
Yep.
I'm sorry for the kids. It's got to be scary to know that the adults around you would kill you in an instant for a picture.
Doncha know it!
However, since they seem to "teach" their kids from a very early age how wonderful it is to be a martyr and die for the "cause", maybe they're not scared.
nah. Kids would be scared in this situation regardless of what the parents preached.
How awful.
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CapeCoddah Sun, Jan 11, 2009 1:26:14pm |
re: #77 LGoPs
Rabid animals would be an appropriate description. And you don't negotiate with rabid animals....you put them down.
True, but rabid animals have a good excuse for their behavior, they are ill. What is the excuse these POS's use?
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Killgore Trout Sun, Jan 11, 2009 1:26:22pm |
Those animals are still alive so there must be caretakers there to feed them but they would allow Hamas to blow up the animals for propaganda purposes. Sick.
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David IV of Georgia Sun, Jan 11, 2009 1:26:42pm |
re: #65 CapeCoddah
Don't call them animals,, animals would never commit such crimes. There is no word yet to adequately describe what these things are.
Pat Buchanans?
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LGoPs Sun, Jan 11, 2009 1:27:47pm |
re: #76 wiffersnapper
Where's the outrage by PETA?
They're busy investigating the real threat to humanity.....conservatives.
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CapeCoddah Sun, Jan 11, 2009 1:27:53pm |
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CIA Reject Sun, Jan 11, 2009 1:27:55pm |
G*d what a depressing scene! What depraved Evil bastards to do this- set booby traps to kill innocent children and animals for propaganda purposes.
There is a special place in Hell reserved for these scum...
I found this so depressing the only way I could cheer myself back up was to fight fire with fire and watch the Monty Python "Exploding Blue Danube" sketch:
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Spare O'Lake Sun, Jan 11, 2009 1:28:21pm |
re: #65 CapeCoddah
Don't call them animals,, animals would never commit such crimes. There is no word yet to adequately describe what these things are.
"ghouls" works for me.
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Opinionated Sun, Jan 11, 2009 1:28:28pm |
See the IDF soldiers pointing out a booby trapped school: they are the forces of the 'Blitzkrieg' that Buchanan laments.
How many Arab children did they save from being human sacrifices?
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CIA Reject Sun, Jan 11, 2009 1:29:31pm |
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ironbill Sun, Jan 11, 2009 1:30:38pm |
re: #75 reine.de.tout
Bravo on your analysis. As a proud Catholic it sickens me to no end whenever one of these pompous fools espouses human rights and dignity when talking about Israel's self-defense against Mohammedan savages.
The hierarchy of the Catholic church needs to knock off this even handed social justice bull shit and wake up to the reality of the threat that Islam's spread represents.
This threat won't end with Israel. It involves anyone who is "Kufir." These maniacs hate Christians just like they hate Jews. It's just that Jews happen to be the main focus of their hate.
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Outrider Sun, Jan 11, 2009 1:31:23pm |
More evidence of the mind set of Hamas with regard to the local populace is seen on a map captured by the IDF on 7 Jan.
This map, confiscated Wednesday (Jan. 7) by IDF paratroopers operating in the north of Gaza, shows how Hamas uses an entire neighborhood, rigging it with explosive devices and putting the entire civilian population at great risk. The map shows the al-Tatraa neighborhood in Gaza City divided into three areas of operation (red, blue and green). The dots on the map indicate where Hamas operatives had planted a variety of IEDs (improvised explosive devices), with the colors indicating the type of IED. Additional marks show sniper positions next to mosques. Next to the entrance of the el-Tawid mosque near to Shauuda Plaza at the top left of the map there is a sniper posting with marking indicating the direction of fire marked on the map. At the bottom center of the map there is a gas station where Hamas planted an IED which, if activated, could cause a very large explosion throughout the neighborhood.
(not intentional blog pimping-this was just easier than linking to the IDFSpokesperson site which I used as a source ;-)>)
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CapeCoddah Sun, Jan 11, 2009 1:31:38pm |
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reine.de.tout Sun, Jan 11, 2009 1:32:23pm |
re: #91 ironbill
Bravo on your analysis. As a proud Catholic it sickens me to no end whenever one of these pompous fools espouses human rights and dignity when talking about Israel's self-defense against Mohammedan savages.
The hierarchy of the Catholic church needs to knock off this even handed social justice bull shit and wake up to the reality of the threat that Islam's spread represents.
This threat won't end with Israel. It involves anyone who is "Kufir." These maniacs hate Christians just like they hate Jews. It's just that Jews happen to be the main focus of their hate.
Well, thank you!
I was nervous about posting that; but it had to be said.
I am a Catholic also, and feel the same way you do.
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DEZes Sun, Jan 11, 2009 1:32:34pm |
Is this Hamas answer to No child left behind?
Israel, never surrender!
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ironbill Sun, Jan 11, 2009 1:32:41pm |
re: #85 littleoldlady
I'm a life long Giants fan.
Congratulations
(I'd ding you down but I can't be a sore loser)
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gclaghorn Sun, Jan 11, 2009 1:32:44pm |
Urgent Lizard Alert:
Pamela has passed LGF in the Weblog Awards. Not good at all.
VOTE. NOW. RIGHT HERE.
We now return to your regularly scheduled programming.
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SnoozeAlarm Sun, Jan 11, 2009 1:33:39pm |
re: #20 buzzsawmonkey
If Hamas devoted one-tenth of the energy, money, time and material it spends on murder and booby-traps to the betterment of the people it rules, Gaza would be another Monaco.
And if my mother had wheels.....
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Dustyvet Sun, Jan 11, 2009 1:34:04pm |
Obama: We’re all going to have to sacrifice for the greater good.
Oh shit!
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DEZes Sun, Jan 11, 2009 1:34:11pm |
re: #93 CapeCoddah
Closest I can get is "demonic"
Sick twisted souless barbarians is all I have to say, nicely!
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notutopia Sun, Jan 11, 2009 1:34:23pm |
The Islamic Pali's that Israel is fighting are barbarians.
They have no regard for anything human or animal that is not of extremist Islam. Hate is their master and hate alone of anything or anyone that is not like themselves.
Animals rights according to the religious law of Islam
[Link: www.themodernreligion.com...]
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Outrider Sun, Jan 11, 2009 1:34:39pm |
re: #99 buzzsawmonkey
I cannot vote again for LGF, and against "Atlas Rants," for another 24 hours; but I will do so when I can.
same here. Can't vote until around 3 am. ;-)>
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jwpaine Sun, Jan 11, 2009 1:35:27pm |
The Parable Of The Foolish Rattlesnakes
Once upon a time, there were two rattlesnakes, a mother and a father. They had a huge brood of baby rattlesnakes, but Mom and Dad rattlesnake were suspicious of the garter snakes who lived nearby. One night they sensed movement so they started biting and biting until the movement ceased.
When the dawn came, Mom and Dad rattlesnake found that they had bitten every one of their children, who lay dead and rotting at the bottom of the nest.
Angered, Mom and Dad rattlesnake vowed to kill the evil garter snakes who had forced this horrible act upon them. They quickly had another brood of babies, but alas, another suspicious movement in the dark brought about the same deadly results.
Moral: Left to their own devices, idiots will remove themselves from the gene pool. The tragedy of the human race is we can't leave dumb enough alone.
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Killgore Trout Sun, Jan 11, 2009 1:35:31pm |
re: #97 gclaghorn
BUmmer. I can't vote again until about 9 tonight.
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CIA Reject Sun, Jan 11, 2009 1:35:36pm |
re: #94 reine.de.tout
Well, thank you!
I was nervous about posting that; but it had to be said.
I am a Catholic also, and feel the same way you do.
I also agree and would like to add that clergy like Cardinal Martino serve the Church very poorly when they make such statements because they are so easily construed, by Catholics and non-Catholics alike, as being Church Doctrine- which they most certainly are not.
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CapeCoddah Sun, Jan 11, 2009 1:35:49pm |
re: #102 notutopia
The Islamic Pali's that Israel is fighting are barbarians.
They have no regard for anything human or animal that is not of extremist Islam. Hate is their master and hate alone of anything or anyone that is not like themselves.Animals rights according to the religious law of Islam
[Link: www.themodernreligion.com...]
Can't read that, I could not take it. I can only imagine what it says.
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MandyManners Sun, Jan 11, 2009 1:35:49pm |
re: #75 reine.de.tout
And of course - the type of thing shown in this video is exactly what makes this Cardinal's statement so completely and mind-numbingly stupid and atrocious.
If the Catholic church is truly concerned about members who no longer go to Mass or who convert to other religions, they need to understand that the "lapsed Catholic" phenomenon has to do less with strict requirements regarding birth control and other issues, and more to do with the lack of logic and the denial of truth espoused by the likes of Cardinal Martino.
"We Christians are not the only ones to call this land holy; Jews and Muslims do so, too.
Religious/moral equivalence from the Vatican?!
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gclaghorn Sun, Jan 11, 2009 1:36:21pm |
re: #105 Killgore Trout
BUmmer. I can't vote again until about 9 tonight.
Same here. But I thought I'd let everyone know that Pamela is getting ahead.
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MandyManners Sun, Jan 11, 2009 1:36:49pm |
re: #80 Killgore Trout
Those animals are still alive so there must be caretakers there to feed them but they would allow Hamas to blow up the animals for propaganda purposes. Sick.
Maybe it was either let Hamas do it or, see their families killed before they were killed.
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pbird Sun, Jan 11, 2009 1:36:50pm |
re: #65 CapeCoddah
Don't call them animals,, animals would never commit such crimes. There is no word yet to adequately describe what these things are.
Unfortunately they are actually human beings made in the image of G-d, but having given themselves over completely to evil.
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CapeCoddah Sun, Jan 11, 2009 1:37:26pm |
re: #108 MandyManners
I was raised Catholic, but the double standards and the hypocrisy drove me out a long time ago.
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kcladderman Sun, Jan 11, 2009 1:37:33pm |
re: #94 reine.de.tout
Well, thank you!
I was nervous about posting that; but it had to be said.
I am a Catholic also, and feel the same way you do.
I think there are a lot of Catholics feel that way. I am one also.
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Age Of Freedom Sun, Jan 11, 2009 1:37:37pm |
Hamas 'map' captured by IDF.
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Killgore Trout Sun, Jan 11, 2009 1:37:38pm |
re: #108 MandyManners
That's why I've always been skeptical of how useful the Vatican and other religious leaders are going to be in resisting Islamism. They're worse than politicians.
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MandyManners Sun, Jan 11, 2009 1:37:44pm |
re: #89 buzzsawmonkey
I guess a booby-trapped zoo-and-school complex is where "Pat the Bunny" metamorphoses into "Pat the Buchanan."
The hand would turn gangrenous.
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solomonpanting Sun, Jan 11, 2009 1:38:07pm |
re: #17 seekeroftruth
Will this get the PETA's attention? They could be an interesting ally for Israel...
What makes you think PETA would be an ally? As someone said "Look what the Israelis made Hamas do. If not for the bombing, no booby traps."
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CapeCoddah Sun, Jan 11, 2009 1:38:14pm |
re: #111 pbird
Unfortunately they are actually human beings made in the image of G-d, but having given themselves over completely to evil.
I take issue with them being referred to as human in any way.
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MandyManners Sun, Jan 11, 2009 1:38:45pm |
re: #112 CapeCoddah
I was raised Catholic, but the double standards and the hypocrisy drove me out a long time ago.
I thought Ratzinger was gonna' fix that.
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Killgore Trout Sun, Jan 11, 2009 1:38:50pm |
re: #110 MandyManners
That's a possibility but it would be easy to snip that wire.
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Killian Bundy Sun, Jan 11, 2009 1:38:54pm |
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CIA Reject Sun, Jan 11, 2009 1:39:14pm |
re: #111 pbird
Unfortunately they are actually human beings made in the image of G-d, but having given themselves over completely to evil.
THAT IS WHAT THE WHOLE WAR IS ABOUT!
Upding on ya!
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Charles Johnson Sun, Jan 11, 2009 1:39:41pm |
re: #97 gclaghorn
Urgent Lizard Alert:
Pamela has passed LGF in the Weblog Awards. Not good at all.
VOTE. NOW. RIGHT HERE.
We now return to your regularly scheduled programming.
It's extremely easy to get around the "security" of that poll and vote multiple times. If you know a little about proxies, you could do it in a way that was virtually undetectable. What I'm sayin' is: it's a silly internet poll, not a measure of anything real.
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reine.de.tout Sun, Jan 11, 2009 1:39:52pm |
re: #106 CIA Reject
I also agree and would like to add that clergy like Cardinal Martino serve the Church very poorly when they make such statements because they are so easily construed, by Catholics and non-Catholics alike, as being Church Doctrine- which they most certainly are not.
Yes.
And it's tiresome to be challenged by people over these statements like that that I do not agree with at all, not one bit, not one iota.
There was a thread somewhere recently where I actually agreed with somebody about something, but no matter how much I explained that, he did not seem to believe it, but kept posting comments asking me how I could think this or that, which were things I didn't think at all!
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sun, Jan 11, 2009 1:40:17pm |
re: #123 Charles
It's extremely easy to get around the "security" of that poll and vote multiple times. If you know a little about proxies, you could do it in a way that was virtually undetectable. What I'm sayin' is: it's a silly internet poll, not a measure of anything real.
What? You from Chicago? You with ACORN?
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grundle Sun, Jan 11, 2009 1:40:23pm |
PETA?
After hurricane Katrina alot of dogs and cats needed to be rescued from New Orleans and where was peta. They were protesting the Bassmasters tournament. Seriously, the Bassmasters tournament.
The IDF just has to make it too painful for the people of Gaza to support Hamas. The IDF already has someone helping them from the inside identify targets, mabye Fatah or just folks who are sick of starving.
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kcladderman Sun, Jan 11, 2009 1:40:24pm |
re: #115 Killgore Trout
That's why I've always been skeptical of how useful the Vatican and other religious leaders are going to be in resisting Islamism. They're worse than politicians.
At that level in the church politicians are exactly what they become.
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CIA Reject Sun, Jan 11, 2009 1:40:32pm |
re: #119 MandyManners
I thought Ratzinger was gonna' fix that.
It is a very large elephant that he has to eat one bite at a time...
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Outrider Sun, Jan 11, 2009 1:40:42pm |
re: #108 MandyManners
"We Christians are not the only ones to call this land holy; Jews and Muslims do so, too.
Religious/moral equivalence from the Vatican?!
All three call it the Holy Land. The only difference is two of the three aren't trying to kill the others and are willing to share it. ;-)>
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Van Helsing Sun, Jan 11, 2009 1:40:54pm |
re: #117 solomonpanting
Yeah, besides they are too busy promoting [Link: www.peta.org...]
Seriously disturbed, they are.
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reine.de.tout Sun, Jan 11, 2009 1:41:23pm |
re: #108 MandyManners
"We Christians are not the only ones to call this land holy; Jews and Muslims do so, too.
Religious/moral equivalence from the Vatican?!
Not from the Pope, please note.
From this one Cardinal; and this is his opinion only, carries no more weight really, than mine, other than the fact that he has a position of authority which means his statements will be quoted.
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ironbill Sun, Jan 11, 2009 1:41:33pm |
re: #94 reine.de.tout
The big lie in theological circles is that some how Islam and Christianity share a deep Abrahamaic tradition. Fact is that Prophet Mo started a religion for the same reason that L. Ron Hubbard did: Because that was where the money was.
Mohammad was a pirate, robber, and terrorist just like his kids are today. Christians in Muslim countries live as lesser citizens. Look at the duress that the Copts in Egypt endure today. The Vatican never says anything about that.
Christianity is rooted in Judaism. Islam was derived as a cult of personality around a war lord. Christians had better wake up to that fact
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Stonemason Sun, Jan 11, 2009 1:41:40pm |
I am sorry, but I have too....
how 'bout dem iggles!
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MandyManners Sun, Jan 11, 2009 1:41:42pm |
re: #115 Killgore Trout
That's why I've always been skeptical of how useful the Vatican and other religious leaders are going to be in resisting Islamism. They're worse than politicians.
They need some spine-stiffening.
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experiencedtraveller Sun, Jan 11, 2009 1:42:18pm |
re: #91 ironbill
The hierarchy of the Catholic church needs to knock off this even handed social justice
I get your point ironbill but I think this sentence is overstated. Social justice is by definition even handed.
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MandyManners Sun, Jan 11, 2009 1:42:32pm |
re: #120 Killgore Trout
That's a possibility but it would be easy to snip that wire.
Not if the keepers were under close supervision!
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gclaghorn Sun, Jan 11, 2009 1:42:34pm |
re: #123 Charles
It's extremely easy to get around the "security" of that poll and vote multiple times. If you know a little about proxies, you could do it in a way that was virtually undetectable. What I'm sayin' is: it's a silly internet poll, not a measure of anything real.
It would still be nice to beat Pamela. Just to drive her insane, because she's obsessing with it.
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solomonpanting Sun, Jan 11, 2009 1:43:02pm |
Relocate the animals and locate Hamas in the zoo, remove the school explosives, and maintain the booby traps.
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Killian Bundy Sun, Jan 11, 2009 1:43:24pm |
re: #97 gclaghorn
Pamela has passed LGF in the Weblog Awards.
I wonder how many neo-Nazis she had to sleep with to pull that off?
/yeah, I know, that's tacky, but you know thy're all voting for her
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Killgore Trout Sun, Jan 11, 2009 1:43:32pm |
re: #134 MandyManners
I think they have too much money and power to protect. They aren't going to rock the boat.
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littleoldlady Sun, Jan 11, 2009 1:43:53pm |
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MandyManners Sun, Jan 11, 2009 1:43:59pm |
re: #128 CIA Reject
It is a very large elephant that he has to eat one bite at a time...
A good start would be with that idiot.
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MandyManners Sun, Jan 11, 2009 1:44:41pm |
re: #129 Outrider
All three call it the Holy Land. The only difference is two of the three aren't trying to kill the others and are willing to share it. ;-)>
I'm reminded of Solomon.
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solomonpanting Sun, Jan 11, 2009 1:44:53pm |
re: #141 buzzsawmonkey
And don't clean the cages first.
Yep. Show Hamas what cleanliness looks like.
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MandyManners Sun, Jan 11, 2009 1:45:14pm |
re: #131 reine.de.tout
Not from the Pope, please note.
From this one Cardinal; and this is his opinion only, carries no more weight really, than mine, other than the fact that he has a position of authority which means his statements will be quoted.
So why doesn't the pope tell him to shut up?
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Van Helsing Sun, Jan 11, 2009 1:45:44pm |
re: #134 MandyManners
Remember this? [Link: news.bbc.co.uk...]
I was so pissed when the Pope backed off because of the tsk-tsking of the press.
Oh yeah, and the muslims rioting over a quote written 400 years ago.
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DEZes Sun, Jan 11, 2009 1:45:49pm |
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notutopia Sun, Jan 11, 2009 1:45:52pm |
re: #112 CapeCoddah
I was raised Catholic, but the double standards and the hypocrisy drove me out a long time ago.
I was too.
I just got back home from attending my best friends funeral, a Catholic mass and service. My heart is so heavy.
The service was all new age dogma. So ritualistic. So cold.
I just declared to my husband, that when I die he had better find a priest to say the mass in Latin OR just recite my favorite poem, have me cremated and throw my ashes across the bay of my favorite fishing hole.
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MandyManners Sun, Jan 11, 2009 1:46:08pm |
re: #140 Killgore Trout
I think they have too much money and power to protect. They aren't going to rock the boat.
That's not godly at all.
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MandyManners Sun, Jan 11, 2009 1:47:02pm |
re: #147 Van Helsing
Remember this? [Link: news.bbc.co.uk...]
I was so pissed when the Pope backed off because of the tsk-tsking of the press.Oh yeah, and the muslims rioting over a quote written 400 years ago.
Didn't he host some big-wig imam after that, and accept a sword from him?
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Dustyvet Sun, Jan 11, 2009 1:47:23pm |
re: #123 Charles
It's extremely easy to get around the "security" of that poll and vote multiple times. If you know a little about proxies, you could do it in a way that was virtually undetectable. What I'm sayin' is: it's a silly internet poll, not a measure of anything real.
Charles, I'm getting a "This page cannot be found message"
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Steffan Sun, Jan 11, 2009 1:47:34pm |
re: #49 mean Gene
Given enough time and Hamas might have destroyed all of Gaza's entire infrastructure themselves!
Looks like in terms of moral brakes nothing stops them.
They'd have to have moral brakes in the first place.
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reine.de.tout Sun, Jan 11, 2009 1:47:51pm |
re: #132 ironbill
The big lie in theological circles is that some how Islam and Christianity share a deep Abrahamaic tradition. Fact is that Prophet Mo started a religion for the same reason that L. Ron Hubbard did: Because that was where the money was.
Mohammad was a pirate, robber, and terrorist just like his kids are today. Christians in Muslim countries live as lesser citizens. Look at the duress that the Copts in Egypt endure today. The Vatican never says anything about that.
Christianity is rooted in Judaism. Islam was derived as a cult of personality around a war lord. Christians had better wake up to that fact
You are correct.
Muslims try to use that to their advantage. When I was an HR Director, our office once received a large package of pamphlets about "Islam", which we were supposed to distribute to our employees, I guess.
The pamphlet contained many many references to Jesus Christ, and about how Islam honored Christ. It was clearly an attempt to win over Christians by trying to give the idea that, gee, we didn't really have to give up our belief in Christ.
I shredded all of them. Now I wish I had kept one.
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Scannit Sun, Jan 11, 2009 1:47:59pm |
re: #46 MarineGrunt
Spike the booby trap and leave it as is, when the goons come to check on their handy work, BOOOOMMMMMMMM.
No chance, they'll just send in the women and chill'n first.... And claim it was the IDF who booby trapped it..
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reine.de.tout Sun, Jan 11, 2009 1:48:18pm |
re: #146 MandyManners
So why doesn't the pope tell him to shut up?
I don't know, Mandy.
You'd have to ask the Pope.
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ironbill Sun, Jan 11, 2009 1:48:41pm |
re: #135 experiencedtraveller
"Social justice" is an amorphous term that has never been adequately defined. It's the vanilla ice cream of right and wrong. It gets thrown around to try and define everything from inadequate health insurance coverage to police shootings.
Catholic bishops and Cardinals toss it out there to try and find an objective explanation as to why the average Palestinian lives in horrid conditions in Gaza. They just can't bring themselves to say "because Hamas is a gang of scumbags."
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CapeCoddah Sun, Jan 11, 2009 1:48:47pm |
re: #119 MandyManners
I thought Ratzinger was gonna' fix that.
See Killgores politician comment/ #118. It has long been my belief that money is the biggest motivator for the Vatican. The final straw for me regarding Catholicism was when I found out that Rome would support 3 illegitimate children per priest, but still refuses to let priests marry. It is OK to break your vows, but not to raise your family publicly. Hypocrisy 101. ( I always believed priests should be allowed to marry. Demanding a human being be celibate is unnatural, and damned near impossible to ask of them, so they have to live a lie, and deny their own children if they wish to continue in their chosen profession. That is cruel punishment for people who wish to dedicate their lives to the service of God and mankind. It is also a HUGE reason the church attracts pedophiles into its ranks. The code of silence and the protection given so as not to sully the church. How'd that work out for you, Holy Father?
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CIA Reject Sun, Jan 11, 2009 1:48:48pm |
re: #124 reine.de.tout
Yes.
And it's tiresome to be challenged by people over these statements like that that I do not agree with at all, not one bit, not one iota.There was a thread somewhere recently where I actually agreed with somebody about something, but no matter how much I explained that, he did not seem to believe it, but kept posting comments asking me how I could think this or that, which were things I didn't think at all!
Unfortunately, and understandably, when dealing with the Catholic Church many folks confuse the Message with the messenger and therefore discredit Church teaching with the misdeeds or idiotic statements of some of her ministers. I believe this phenomenon is inspired by Evil as a means to discredit the Church.
As I've said before it is akin to trying to persuade people that, because there are corrupt cops, one need not obey the law...
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MandyManners Sun, Jan 11, 2009 1:48:57pm |
re: #155 reine.de.tout
You are correct.
Muslims try to use that to their advantage. When I was an HR Director, our office once received a large package of pamphlets about "Islam", which we were supposed to distribute to our employees, I guess.
The pamphlet contained many many references to Jesus Christ, and about how Islam honored Christ. It was clearly an attempt to win over Christians by trying to give the idea that, gee, we didn't really have to give up our belief in Christ.
I shredded all of them. Now I wish I had kept one.
Who sent them?
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MandyManners Sun, Jan 11, 2009 1:49:16pm |
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reine.de.tout Sun, Jan 11, 2009 1:49:24pm |
re: #146 MandyManners
So why doesn't the pope tell him to shut up?
Besides, the Pope can't just tell the cardinal to shut up, any more than he could tell me to shut up.
It's not really in his job description.
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CIA Reject Sun, Jan 11, 2009 1:49:27pm |
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solomonpanting Sun, Jan 11, 2009 1:49:45pm |
re: #154 Maximu§
Booby trapping a school?
How Nice.
/
They don't need schools. The children recieve enough Jew-hatred education at home.
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TheMatrix31 Sun, Jan 11, 2009 1:49:48pm |
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MandyManners Sun, Jan 11, 2009 1:50:22pm |
re: #160 CapeCoddah
See Killgores politician comment/ #118. It has long been my belief that money is the biggest motivator for the Vatican. The final straw for me regarding Catholicism was when I found out that Rome would support 3 illegitimate children per priest, but still refuses to let priests marry. It is OK to break your vows, but not to raise your family publicly. Hypocrisy 101. ( I always believed priests should be allowed to marry. Demanding a human being be celibate is unnatural, and damned near impossible to ask of them, so they have to live a lie, and deny their own children if they wish to continue in their chosen profession. That is cruel punishment for people who wish to dedicate their lives to the service of God and mankind. It is also a HUGE reason the church attracts pedophiles into its ranks. The code of silence and the protection given so as not to sully the church. How'd that work out for you, Holy Father?
The stench of hypocrisy is boundless.
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Charles Johnson Sun, Jan 11, 2009 1:50:23pm |
Fixed link to the awards page:
[Link: 2008.weblogawards.org...]
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MandyManners Sun, Jan 11, 2009 1:51:30pm |
re: #165 reine.de.tout
Besides, the Pope can't just tell the cardinal to shut up, any more than he could tell me to shut up.
It's not really in his job description.
Why doesn't the pope issue his own statement? Isn't he the boss at the Vatican?
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Steffan Sun, Jan 11, 2009 1:51:48pm |
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reine.de.tout Sun, Jan 11, 2009 1:51:51pm |
re: #163 MandyManners
Who sent them?
I can't recall exactly who, but I what I can recall is that whatever organization sent them had materials in there indicating it had ties to Saudi Arabia.
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experiencedtraveller Sun, Jan 11, 2009 1:52:08pm |
re: #157 reine.de.tout
I don't know, Mandy.
You'd have to ask the Pope.
And the Pope's a busy man. Did the CEO of your firm comment every time a regional manager spouted off? :)
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Dar ul Harb Sun, Jan 11, 2009 1:52:58pm |
re: #38 Killgore Trout
That is still one of the most bizarre videos evah.
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SummerSong Sun, Jan 11, 2009 1:53:11pm |
Lots of noise on the Gaza cam...
Shelling? Can't see the flashes.
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Dustyvet Sun, Jan 11, 2009 1:53:22pm |
re: #164 MandyManners
Not a chance.
Vatican
Windows
Stained Glass Windows
Rocks in a gunny sack
and...
EARNEST T BASS...
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CapeCoddah Sun, Jan 11, 2009 1:54:02pm |
re: #149 notutopia
I was too.
I just got back home from attending my best friends funeral, a Catholic mass and service. My heart is so heavy.
The service was all new age dogma. So ritualistic. So cold.
I just declared to my husband, that when I die he had better find a priest to say the mass in Latin OR just recite my favorite poem, have me cremated and throw my ashes across the bay of my favorite fishing hole.
I am so sorry for your loss. I lost my best friend 2 weeks before 9/11. The heaviness never goes away. I still miss Lori so much, it is hard to talk about.
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Maximu§ Sun, Jan 11, 2009 1:54:03pm |
re: #170 MandyManners
The stench of hypocrisy is boundless.
Hey Hey, there are Roman Catholics in here and that "stench" comment is outta line. I don't agree with everything the Archdiocese does, but don't attack the only faith that keeps Islam in check.
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loppyd Sun, Jan 11, 2009 1:54:03pm |
re: #176 experiencedtraveller
And the Pope's a busy man. Did the CEO of your firm comment every time a regional manager spouted off? :)
Actually yes. He loved to get on the company wide speaker system and say things like "whoever the a-hole is who burnt his popcorn in the microwave better come take care of it...."
I shite you not.
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loppyd Sun, Jan 11, 2009 1:55:35pm |
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reine.de.tout Sun, Jan 11, 2009 1:55:56pm |
re: #173 MandyManners
Why doesn't the pope issue his own statement? Isn't he the boss at the Vatican?
He has issued a statement. News of his statement was issued at about the same time, but was overshadowed by the excitement over the Cardinal's statement.
The Pope's statement, I found, was more vague than I would have liked to have seen - but he did not put "blame" on anyone in the way the Cardinal did.
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reine.de.tout Sun, Jan 11, 2009 1:57:08pm |
re: #182 loppyd
Actually yes. He loved to get on the company wide speaker system and say things like "whoever the a-hole is who burnt his popcorn in the microwave better come take care of it...."
I shite you not.
Yeah, well - burnt popcorn is pretty awful . . .
Where I worked, every time somebody burned popcorn, the fire alarm would go off, and the entire 7-story building would empty.
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notutopia Sun, Jan 11, 2009 1:57:26pm |
re: #169 loppyd
I'm very sorry for your loss....
Her loss will be felt by thousands that she touched in her life. She was a RN, CNA. The most vibrant, gentile soul I have ever encountered in my worldly life. I have been so
fortunate to be blessed with her friendship and love.
I am so hurting.
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MandyManners Sun, Jan 11, 2009 1:58:05pm |
re: #175 reine.de.tout
I can't recall exactly who, but I what I can recall is that whatever organization sent them had materials in there indicating it had ties to Saudi Arabia.
That's creepy. I wonder how many pamphlets were given out at other companies.
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goddessoftheclassroom Sun, Jan 11, 2009 1:58:26pm |
re: #188 notutopia
Her loss will be felt by thousands that she touched in her life. She was a RN, CNA. The most vibrant, gentile soul I have ever encountered in my worldly life. I have been so
fortunate to be blessed with her friendship and love.
I am so hurting.
{notutopia}
May I add you and all who mourn your friend to the Prayer List?
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Steffan Sun, Jan 11, 2009 1:58:32pm |
re: #132 ironbill
The big lie in theological circles is that some how Islam and Christianity share a deep Abrahamaic tradition. Fact is that Prophet Mo started a religion for the same reason that L. Ron Hubbard did: Because that was where the money was.
Mohammad was a pirate, robber, and terrorist just like his kids are today. Christians in Muslim countries live as lesser citizens. Look at the duress that the Copts in Egypt endure today. The Vatican never says anything about that.
Christianity is rooted in Judaism. Islam was derived as a cult of personality around a war lord. Christians had better wake up to that fact
The one I heard was that God = YHVH = Allah.
Same god, just different ways to worship.
Of course, Emo Phillips, long ago, had a hilarious sketch about religion...
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CapeCoddah Sun, Jan 11, 2009 1:59:12pm |
re: #185 loppyd
have to stir the chili....BBIAM
Chili...Can I come to your house for dinner? My daughter, the one who thinks she can cook, but can't is making dinner. She has ribs.. in the oven, (we have a perfectly good grill and bbq sauce) wrapped in foil and seasoned w/ salt, pepper and garlic. I'm beggin you!
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solomonpanting Sun, Jan 11, 2009 1:59:23pm |
re: #162 buzzsawmonkey
You've got to admit, Hamas certainly has a different take on the principle of "women and children first."
They really have a twisted way of viewing the world, which comes from decades of having every twisted action received in the good graces of "world opinion", a compliant media, and propelled by Arab and Islamic users and good old-fashion Jew hatred.
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CapeCoddah Sun, Jan 11, 2009 1:59:51pm |
re: #192 CapeCoddah
Chili...Can I come to your house for dinner? My daughter, the one who thinks she can cook, but can't is making dinner. She has ribs.. in the oven, (we have a perfectly good grill and bbq sauce) wrapped in foil and seasoned w/ salt, pepper and garlic. I'm beggin you!
And she is trying to steam carrots!
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SummerSong Sun, Jan 11, 2009 1:59:57pm |
re: #149 notutopia
I was too.
I just got back home from attending my best friends funeral, a Catholic mass and service. My heart is so heavy.
The service was all new age dogma. So ritualistic. So cold.
I just declared to my husband, that when I die he had better find a priest to say the mass in Latin OR just recite my favorite poem, have me cremated and throw my ashes across the bay of my favorite fishing hole.
I'm so sorry about your friend. The world just doesn't feel the same when we lose someone we love. It's very hard to accept such things. Give yourself all the time you need.
I lost my best friend on Jan 30, 2001. I still talk to him.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sun, Jan 11, 2009 2:00:21pm |
re: #192 CapeCoddah
I have a very nice vegetarian chili that my wife is scarfing down right now.
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notutopia Sun, Jan 11, 2009 2:00:33pm |
re: #190 goddessoftheclassroom
{notutopia}
May I add you and all who mourn your friend to the Prayer List?
Please Goddess. Thank you! May FB RIP.
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Bloodnok Sun, Jan 11, 2009 2:00:48pm |
re: #187 reine.de.tout
Yeah, well - burnt popcorn is pretty awful . . .
Where I worked, every time somebody burned popcorn, the fire alarm would go off, and the entire 7-story building would empty.
I swear I have the biggest craving for popcorn now. I gotta go out and buy some. BBL.
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albusteve Sun, Jan 11, 2009 2:01:16pm |
re: #192 CapeCoddah
Chili...Can I come to your house for dinner? My daughter, the one who thinks she can cook, but can't is making dinner. She has ribs.. in the oven, (we have a perfectly good grill and bbq sauce) wrapped in foil and seasoned w/ salt, pepper and garlic. I'm beggin you!
ribs in an oven?....
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MandyManners Sun, Jan 11, 2009 2:01:21pm |
re: #181 Maximu§
Hey Hey, there are Roman Catholics in here and that "stench" comment is outta line. I don't agree with everything the Archdiocese does, but don't attack the only faith that keeps Islam in check.
He's not the head of my faith.
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lifeofthemind Sun, Jan 11, 2009 2:01:22pm |
I hope the Israelis evacuate all surviving animals from the zoo and give them good homes.
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reine.de.tout Sun, Jan 11, 2009 2:01:25pm |
re: #189 MandyManners
That's creepy. I wonder how many pamphlets were given out at other companies.
Heh.
Probably none.
Everybody probably did exactly what I did - shredded them.
After all of us in the office had a good laugh.
Photos of Muslims from Mexico - photos of Muslims from - well, all over the place. All smiling.
An entire section devoted to how much Islam stresses respect and honor toward women. LOLOLOLOL!
And then the emphasis on Jesus Christ.
They were weird.
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loppyd Sun, Jan 11, 2009 2:01:48pm |
re: #188 notutopia
Her loss will be felt by thousands that she touched in her life. She was a RN, CNA. The most vibrant, gentile soul I have ever encountered in my worldly life. I have been so
fortunate to be blessed with her friendship and love.
I am so hurting.
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debutaunt Sun, Jan 11, 2009 2:01:53pm |
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least Sun, Jan 11, 2009 2:02:09pm |
re: #17 seekeroftruth
Will this get the PETA's attention? They could be an interesting ally for Israel...
Yeah . . . they'll get on board right after NOW does.
/you know
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albusteve Sun, Jan 11, 2009 2:02:16pm |
re: #198 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I have a very nice vegetarian chili that my wife is scarfing down right now.
what?....no meat chile?
chili requires cow parts
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DEZes Sun, Jan 11, 2009 2:03:21pm |
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Bloodnok Sun, Jan 11, 2009 2:03:25pm |
re: #198 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I have a very nice vegetarian chili that my wife is scarfing down right now.
I swear I have the biggest craving for vegetarian chili right now. I gotta go out and buy some. BBL.
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loppyd Sun, Jan 11, 2009 2:05:12pm |
re: #187 reine.de.tout
Yeah, well - burnt popcorn is pretty awful . . .
Where I worked, every time somebody burned popcorn, the fire alarm would go off, and the entire 7-story building would empty.
He also took to the airwaves when Clinton was impeached. Something along the lines of "People have been asking me what I think about the Lewinsky scandal. Well, I'll tell you what I think....I think he is a pig and he has disgraced the office of the president etc etc etc."
I was in a meeting with customers. Talk about awkward!
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albusteve Sun, Jan 11, 2009 2:05:34pm |
re: #209 DEZes
Or at least deer meat!
Texas chili has meat in it...cow, hog, deer, crow etc....no tofu
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DEZes Sun, Jan 11, 2009 2:05:41pm |
Everyone must be out buying popcorn and meatless chili.
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CapeCoddah Sun, Jan 11, 2009 2:05:43pm |
re: #198 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I have a very nice vegetarian chili that my wife is scarfing down right now.
EWWW, my dad makes tofu chili.. Im a meat eater, FBV, cant take the tofu! Thanks anyway!
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Steffan Sun, Jan 11, 2009 2:05:43pm |
re: #149 notutopia
I'm sorry to hear about your loss.
When my aunt died some years ago, the priest, thankfully, stuck to the basics at her funeral. He didn't speak any Latin, but he seemed to be a traditionalist.
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loppyd Sun, Jan 11, 2009 2:06:28pm |
re: #192 CapeCoddah
Chili...Can I come to your house for dinner? My daughter, the one who thinks she can cook, but can't is making dinner. She has ribs.. in the oven, (we have a perfectly good grill and bbq sauce) wrapped in foil and seasoned w/ salt, pepper and garlic. I'm beggin you!
LOL.
Come on up! There's enough for a small army and it's just the two of us.
I may be a Northern girl, but I know enough not to ruin ribs in an oven.
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DEZes Sun, Jan 11, 2009 2:06:31pm |
re: #212 albusteve
Texas chili has meat in it...cow, hog, deer, crow etc....no tofu
Roger that, Chili without meat is a mortal sin!
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kcladderman Sun, Jan 11, 2009 2:06:32pm |
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notutopia Sun, Jan 11, 2009 2:06:33pm |
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reine.de.tout Sun, Jan 11, 2009 2:07:03pm |
re: #211 loppyd
He also took to the airwaves when Clinton was impeached. Something along the lines of "People have been asking me what I think about the Lewinsky scandal. Well, I'll tell you what I think....I think he is a pig and he has disgraced the office of the president etc etc etc."
I was in a meeting with customers. Talk about awkward!
I don't know . . . I think I may have enjoyed working there!
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mini_burkha_fan Sun, Jan 11, 2009 2:07:33pm |
Let's hope the IDF rescues the poor lion that was tortured (Yes! Tortured) by the sadistic Hamas!
Click here
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CapeCoddah Sun, Jan 11, 2009 2:07:34pm |
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sun, Jan 11, 2009 2:07:51pm |
re: #205 loppyd
IIRC Warren recorded that about three months before he died of lung cancer. Heart breaking song.
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loppyd Sun, Jan 11, 2009 2:08:17pm |
re: #198 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I have a very nice vegetarian chili that my wife is scarfing down right now.
I'll have to get the recipe someday. BF's cousin is vegan. Is it vegan?
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lifeofthemind Sun, Jan 11, 2009 2:08:48pm |
re: #215 Steffan
I'm sorry to hear about your loss.
When my aunt died some years ago, the priest, thankfully, stuck to the basics at her funeral. He didn't speak any Latin, but he seemed to be a traditionalist.
Not my religion but I got the impression that the home of old fashioned ritual moved from the Roman Catholics to the High Church Anglicans, not the theology and politics but the theater, or should I say theatre?
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CapeCoddah Sun, Jan 11, 2009 2:09:00pm |
re: #216 loppyd
LOL.
Come on up! There's enough for a small army and it's just the two of us.
I may be a Northern girl, but I know enough not to ruin ribs in an oven.
On my way...
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sun, Jan 11, 2009 2:09:37pm |
re: #224 loppyd
Yeah. And it is gooood. And no tofu is floating around in it. What do you people think I am; a Nancy Boy?
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CapeCoddah Sun, Jan 11, 2009 2:11:01pm |
re: #228 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Yeah. And it is gooood. And no tofu is floating around in it. What do you people think I am; a Nancy Boy?
LOL, Well then... I have no objection to vegan, just tofu! Nasty slimy stuff.
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jwb7605 Sun, Jan 11, 2009 2:11:10pm |
re: #185 loppyd
have to stir the chili....BBIAM
I kept wondering what BBIAM meant.
It's not in the Internet Acronyms Dictionary, but my guess is Be Back In A Minute.
I did find out what BYORL means.
Productive day.
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CapeCoddah Sun, Jan 11, 2009 2:11:45pm |
re: #228 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Yeah. And it is gooood. And no tofu is floating around in it. What do you people think I am; a Nancy Boy?
Wait a minute, did you just call my dad a Nancy Boy? LOL
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albusteve Sun, Jan 11, 2009 2:11:57pm |
re: #228 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Yeah. And it is gooood. And no tofu is floating around in it. What do you people think I am; a Nancy Boy?
get back here and explain yourself Nancy...Texas chile without meat is just another bean slomgoo...huh?
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loppyd Sun, Jan 11, 2009 2:12:39pm |
re: #223 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
IIRC Warren recorded that about three months before he died of lung cancer. Heart breaking song.
You are correct. VH1 made a documentary of his last year of life while recording this CD. If you ever see it on TV, I recommend it. Hard to watch, but inspiring and lovely at the same time.
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FrogMarch Sun, Jan 11, 2009 2:13:02pm |
I can't watch. do the Hamas-Nazis do horrible things to animals?
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reine.de.tout Sun, Jan 11, 2009 2:13:11pm |
re: #226 lifeofthemind
Not my religion but I got the impression that the home of old fashioned ritual moved from the Roman Catholics to the High Church Anglicans, not the theology and politics but the theater, or should I say theatre?
You can say "theater".
I don't know if it "moved".
I do know I enjoyed the "theater" and miss it.
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notutopia Sun, Jan 11, 2009 2:13:22pm |
Thank you to all my fellow lizards for the kind thoughts and words of comfort.
Crying is helping to relieve the swell in my throat.
Praying is helping to relieve the swell in my heart.
And Ya'll help to remind me that there is still much good left on this earth.
Amen.
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David IV of Georgia Sun, Jan 11, 2009 2:13:30pm |
re: #111 pbird
Unfortunately they are actually human beings made in the image of G-d, but having given themselves over completely to evil.
G-d gave the best and highest of His creation, the Lightbearer or Lucifer, the ability to choose to do good or evil—for there is no merit, honor nor virtue in doing good if there is no other possibility. Lucifer chose evil. God never created or wished for death. Lucifer, now known as Satan [Hebrew] or Diabolos [Greek] (devil) which means the Accuser because he has given himself over to hate and is continually accusing men and angels of sins before God, hoping to get them condemned or damned to his fate—he has sundered himself from the Lifegiver, G-d, he now lives forever dying. Because his glory was greatest of all creation, his wretched horribleness is now the worst of all. Lucifer hates and envies mankind because God has given man a way to be purified and change his fortunes even if the man ought to be condemned.
These men (Hamas) were created in the image and likeness of God, and though they have the image, that is the ability to creatively think and reason, they have rejected the likeness, the desire to be good and moral and loving. The more they reject, not their Allah, but the true G-d, HaShem, the more they become like Lucifer and live a life of dying. The more they become like Lucifer, the more they surround themselves with death on every side. Even the bonds of familial love and human decency are cast aside as they embrace death for themselves and everyone else.
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loppyd Sun, Jan 11, 2009 2:13:33pm |
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albusteve Sun, Jan 11, 2009 2:13:34pm |
re: #234 buzzsawmonkey
Byorl was the shape-shifter in "The Hobbit" who could transform from man into bear, right?
Beor with the double dots
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jwb7605 Sun, Jan 11, 2009 2:13:47pm |
re: #234 buzzsawmonkey
Byorl was the shape-shifter in "The Hobbit" who could transform from man into bear, right?
Bring Your Own Rocket Launcher is what the dictionary thinks.
I couldn't never spel anything in the Hobbit proprly, so you could be rite.
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loppyd Sun, Jan 11, 2009 2:14:34pm |
re: #220 reine.de.tout
I don't know . . . I think I may have enjoyed working there!
Bet you a thousand bucks you wouldn't.
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loppyd Sun, Jan 11, 2009 2:15:21pm |
re: #228 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Yeah. And it is gooood. And no tofu is floating around in it. What do you people think I am; a Nancy Boy?
I don't mind tofu floating around in my miso soup. But lasagna? EEEWWW.
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CIA Reject Sun, Jan 11, 2009 2:15:59pm |
re: #188 notutopia
My sincerest sympathy for the loss of your friend, I know you are in pain now but please try to remember that in death life has changed, not ended.
Pop Reject (my Dad) passed away suddenly in his sleep in the very early morning hours of December 26 some 14 years ago. At the time he was one of my best friends and our friendship has only grown deeper over the intervening years.
Please accept my sympathy and my prayers.
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experiencedtraveller Sun, Jan 11, 2009 2:16:07pm |
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albusteve Sun, Jan 11, 2009 2:16:10pm |
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Dustyvet Sun, Jan 11, 2009 2:16:53pm |
re: #236 FrogMarch
I can't watch. do the Hamas-Nazis do horrible things to animals?
Is the Pope Catholic?
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sun, Jan 11, 2009 2:16:55pm |
re: #234 buzzsawmonkey
Byorl was the shape-shifter in "The Hobbit" who could transform from man into bear, right?
I am a man who can turn into a bar.
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debutaunt Sun, Jan 11, 2009 2:16:57pm |
re: #246 loppyd
I don't mind tofu floating around in my miso soup. But lasagna? EEEWWW.
Tofu in your miso soup helps refine your chopsticks skills.
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experiencedtraveller Sun, Jan 11, 2009 2:17:26pm |
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Lincolntf Sun, Jan 11, 2009 2:17:34pm |
re: #181 Maximu§
It's totally out of line, but perfectly typical. People have no compunction about grouping all RC's together because most of us don't bother to file suit or complain to the ACLU when we're "offended". We just ignore the generalizing absolutists and go on doing our good works.
The Catholic Priest scandal involving child molestation was the tipping point (though every statistic will show you that public school teachers and L.L. coaches are about ten times more likely to commit such an offense than a Priest) that allowed closeted bigots to finally vent their hatred on a group that seemed defenseless and un-P.C.
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loppyd Sun, Jan 11, 2009 2:20:21pm |
re: #252 debutaunt
Tofu in your miso soup helps refine your chopsticks skills.
Ha! I'm pretty nimble with the sticks....refined my skills as P.F. Chang's yesterday. Warning to anyone who plans to eat there: They 'aint lying when they say the Dan Dan Noodles are very spicy. Hooochie Mama they were on fire!
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Walter L. Newton Sun, Jan 11, 2009 2:20:38pm |
re: #255 Lincolntf
...(though every statistic will show you that public school teachers and L.L. coaches are about ten times more likely to commit such an offense than a Priest)
Link please on that stat?
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David IV of Georgia Sun, Jan 11, 2009 2:21:40pm |
re: #160 CapeCoddah
[...]The final straw for me regarding Catholicism was when I found out that Rome would support 3 illegitimate children per priest [...]
I guess the ancient canons of the church that call for his defrocking are forgotten? I think the ancient rule was, "you are no longer a priest, so marry her and raise your child". If anyone desperately needs a reference for this, I could search though old tomes until I find the canon.
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reine.de.tout Sun, Jan 11, 2009 2:22:35pm |
Now, this is interesting.
I posted a link earlier to a story about how George Stephanopoulos asked Obama about prosecuting Bush "crimes". Of course, neither Bush nor any of his senior advisors have been indicted of anything, so the question was oddly phrased, to say the least. The story goes on to point that out, and to also point out that Obama actually answered the question as if it were a reasonable question!
My link has gotten several downdings.
I know there are folks here who are not George Bush fans, but I had no clue there were folks here who would be OK with him being "prosecuted" for "crimes".
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solomonpanting Sun, Jan 11, 2009 2:23:06pm |
Rights group: Israel uses white phosphorus in Gaza
Human Rights Watch said Sunday that Israel's military has fired artillery shells with the incendiary agent white phosphorus into Gaza and a doctor there said the chemical was suspected in the case of 10 burn victims who had skin peeling off their faces and bodies....
The chief doctor at Nasser Hospital in southern Gaza said he treated several victims there with serious burns that might have been caused by phosphorus. He said, however, that he did not have the resources or expertise to say with certainty what caused the injuries.
Isn't that just like the media...always leading with Israeli-bashing, regardless of the facts.
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loppyd Sun, Jan 11, 2009 2:23:22pm |
re: #255 Lincolntf
It's totally out of line, but perfectly typical. People have no compunction about grouping all RC's together because most of us don't bother to file suit or complain to the ACLU when we're "offended". We just ignore the generalizing absolutists and go on doing our good works.
The Catholic Priest scandal involving child molestation was the tipping point (though every statistic will show you that public school teachers and L.L. coaches are about ten times more likely to commit such an offense than a Priest) that allowed closeted bigots to finally vent their hatred on a group that seemed defenseless and un-P.C.
I'm not Catholic. Have no problem with the Catholic Church. But I am from the Boston area. The bitter pill for many of us to swallow was Cardinal Bernard Law getting whisked off to the Vatican and not having to answer for what he allowed to occur on his watch.
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loppyd Sun, Jan 11, 2009 2:23:58pm |
re: #260 reine.de.tout
Maybe they were disagreeing with the article?
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Kragar Sun, Jan 11, 2009 2:24:01pm |
re: #262 solomonpanting
Rights group: Israel uses white phosphorus in Gaza
Isn't that just like the media...always leading with Israeli-bashing, regardless of the facts.
ITS WHAT HE FEELS MAN!
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CIA Reject Sun, Jan 11, 2009 2:25:03pm |
re: #255 Lincolntf
It's totally out of line, but perfectly typical. People have no compunction about grouping all RC's together because most of us don't bother to file suit or complain to the ACLU when we're "offended". We just ignore the generalizing absolutists and go on doing our good works.
The Catholic Priest scandal involving child molestation was the tipping point (though every statistic will show you that public school teachers and L.L. coaches are about ten times more likely to commit such an offense than a Priest) that allowed closeted bigots to finally vent their hatred on a group that seemed defenseless and un-P.C.
The fact that the average RC has (at best) an 8th grade understanding of his or her faith also does not help matters. An 8th grade understanding of anything is not going to stand up to the assault of popular culture and entrenched moral relativism.
If Catholics had a better understanding of their Faith and their Church they would be much more able to answer the smears of the bigots and not be intimidated by legitimate criticism.
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CapeCoddah Sun, Jan 11, 2009 2:25:07pm |
re: #255 Lincolntf
It's totally out of line, but perfectly typical. People have no compunction about grouping all RC's together because most of us don't bother to file suit or complain to the ACLU when we're "offended". We just ignore the generalizing absolutists and go on doing our good works.
The Catholic Priest scandal involving child molestation was the tipping point (though every statistic will show you that public school teachers and L.L. coaches are about ten times more likely to commit such an offense than a Priest) that allowed closeted bigots to finally vent their hatred on a group that seemed defenseless and un-P.C.
It was not the number, but the fact that the Vatican ALLOWED this abuse to take place, and by hiding it, and protecting the pedophiles, gave it a thumbs up. Mandy's comment was right on. The stench of hypocrisy is not out of line at all.
My dad was a victim, and my husband damned near became a victim, but was old enough to get away. BTW, the priest who told my 17 year old (at the time) husband that he had a "Svelt" body on a retreat, after providing alcohol, was arrested at the church institution he ran for "Recovering pedophile priests". My husband got up and drove home after that remark, and told me about the incident when we were first dating, 24 years ago. He had thought it was a "Test". I told him then it was an attempted rape. He believes me now.
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Lincolntf Sun, Jan 11, 2009 2:25:36pm |
re: #257 Walter L. Newton
You'll have to search for the Florida case that was addressed about two years ago. If I remember the stats right, 26,000 public school teachers had been dismissed for misconduct and the Court released the fact that 30% of those offenses were sexual in nature. Add up all the Catholic Priests (if you think that ALL Priests are child molesters) in New England and you still don't approach that kind of number.
Of course, the T.U.'s are still suing to keep such stats under wraps, so details are hard to come by. I suggest reading your local paper and comparing how many teachers/coaches are arrested for diddling compared to Priests. The reality of the situation will become clear quite quickly.
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Outrider Sun, Jan 11, 2009 2:26:39pm |
re: #195 CapeCoddah
And she is trying to steam carrots!
aww I like steamed carrots.
But the ribs? They need to be on a grill! ;-)>
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CapeCoddah Sun, Jan 11, 2009 2:26:48pm |
re: #263 loppyd
I'm not Catholic. Have no problem with the Catholic Church. But I am from the Boston area. The bitter pill for many of us to swallow was Cardinal Bernard Law getting whisked off to the Vatican and not having to answer for what he allowed to occur on his watch.
Cardinal Law should be in Prison. Not in Rome.
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CapeCoddah Sun, Jan 11, 2009 2:27:18pm |
re: #269 Outrider
aww I like steamed carrots.
But the ribs? They need to be on a grill! ;-)>
LOL, Not whole carrots cut into 3 inch chunks!
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jwb7605 Sun, Jan 11, 2009 2:27:23pm |
re: #181 Maximu§
Hey Hey, there are Roman Catholics in here and that "stench" comment is outta line. I don't agree with everything the Archdiocese does, but don't attack the only faith that keeps Islam in check.
I don't want to start a religious war, but I don't get the part about "keeps Islam in check".
re: #202 MandyManners
He's not the head of my faith.
Mandy: I just got back from my Mission From God. She approved of my purchases. Missed your reply from the previous thread. GMTA?
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David IV of Georgia Sun, Jan 11, 2009 2:27:47pm |
re: #233 albusteve
get back here and explain yourself Nancy...Texas chile without meat is just another bean slomgoo...huh?
Texas chili normally has No beans. It only has to have two ingredients: peppers (chilis) and cummin, although no Texan would ever serve it without meat—beef, that is. Beans were considered a filler that poor people used. Putting beans in chili was considered an advertisement that you were impoverished.
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jwb7605 Sun, Jan 11, 2009 2:28:14pm |
re: #254 experiencedtraveller
Unless you were referring to the Old Elvish version... :)
Elvish didn't hit the sauce until later in his career, so probably not.
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Lincolntf Sun, Jan 11, 2009 2:28:45pm |
re: #263 loppyd
Absolutely agree. I'm from Worcester. The Catholic Church was complicit in covering up molestation, there can be no doubt about that. Law getting off scot-free was salt in the wound.
Doesn't mean that me or my friends or family or parish have a "stench" attached to us.
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CapeCoddah Sun, Jan 11, 2009 2:29:58pm |
re: #275 Lincolntf
Absolutely agree. I'm from Worcester. The Catholic Church was complicit in covering up molestation, there can be no doubt about that. Law getting off scot-free was salt in the wound.
Doesn't mean that me or my friends or family or parish have a "stench" attached to us.
Not parishoners, Lincoln, The Vatican.
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NervyNews Sun, Jan 11, 2009 2:30:10pm |
Anti-Israel protesters trampling an Israeli flag in downtown Toronto! See HERE.
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Lincolntf Sun, Jan 11, 2009 2:30:19pm |
re: #267 CapeCoddah
He was the victim of a pedophile, not the victim of a Religion.
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Outrider Sun, Jan 11, 2009 2:31:01pm |
re: #252 debutaunt
Tofu in your miso soup helps refine your chopsticks skills.
also helps my dialing out for pizzia skills. ;-)>
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loppyd Sun, Jan 11, 2009 2:31:23pm |
re: #275 Lincolntf
Absolutely agree. I'm from Worcester. The Catholic Church was complicit in covering up molestation, there can be no doubt about that. Law getting off scot-free was salt in the wound.
Doesn't mean that me or my friends or family or parish have a "stench" attached to us.
Woooostah!
Waving at you from the North Shore.
I don't think Mandy meant stench as a personal affront at all.
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Dustyvet Sun, Jan 11, 2009 2:31:27pm |
re: #262 solomonpanting
Rights group: Israel uses white phosphorus in Gaza
Isn't that just like the media...always leading with Israeli-bashing, regardless of the facts.
These folks sure adore the "willy peter" story. they pulled that same bull shit with Fallujah , and they've yet to produce one shred of evidence to prove this lie.
Not one photograph
Not one video
Zero, Zip, NOTHING...
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loppyd Sun, Jan 11, 2009 2:32:19pm |
DEFINITELY a good time to check on my chili.
BBL
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Lincolntf Sun, Jan 11, 2009 2:32:22pm |
re: #278 CapeCoddah
The Vatican is often used as a code word, much like "International bankers" or "inner-city youths".
A City can't victimize anyone.
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reine.de.tout Sun, Jan 11, 2009 2:33:26pm |
re: #263 loppyd
I'm not Catholic. Have no problem with the Catholic Church. But I am from the Boston area. The bitter pill for many of us to swallow was Cardinal Bernard Law getting whisked off to the Vatican and not having to answer for what he allowed to occur on his watch.
But that was bitter for us too. Would you think it wasn't?
In fact, we faithful and practicing Catholics are also bitter and horrified about all the clergy who were known by the heirarchy to be child molesters, and who were moved from parish to parish.
Our solution? Various things, but for this family, the solution was not to give up on our religion; but to make sure those in charge knew of our dissatisfaction by reducing what we put into the collection plate and giving it elsewhere. Many in our parish did the same thing.
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CIA Reject Sun, Jan 11, 2009 2:33:37pm |
Well, I see that in order to calm emotions over the "stinking hypocrisy of the Vatican" discussion here Charles has opened an evolution thread upstairs. :-)
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Lincolntf Sun, Jan 11, 2009 2:33:53pm |
re: #282 loppyd
You got the pronunciation right! Kudos to you.
Yeah, she might not have been, but if I don't stick up for the reality of RC, then who will?
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CapeCoddah Sun, Jan 11, 2009 2:34:30pm |
re: #280 Lincolntf
He was the victim of a pedophile, not the victim of a Religion.
But, the keepers of the religion, the Pope and his cardinals, allowed the abuse to continue unchecked, and protected the beasts that harmed so many children. They reassigned them and allowed the victim count to climb unchecked. Sorry, but this takes any credibility the church has, and kills it. I agree the religion was not to blame at all. I blame the human administrators of the religion. When the leaders of anything let something like that happen, the damage to the entity is unavoidable.
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jwb7605 Sun, Jan 11, 2009 2:34:41pm |
re: #260 reine.de.tout
Now, this is interesting.
I posted a link earlier to a story about how George Stephanopoulos asked Obama about prosecuting Bush "crimes". Of course, neither Bush nor any of his senior advisors have been indicted of anything, so the question was oddly phrased, to say the least. The story goes on to point that out, and to also point out that Obama actually answered the question as if it were a reasonable question!
My link has gotten several downdings.
I know there are folks here who are not George Bush fans, but I had no clue there were folks here who would be OK with him being "prosecuted" for "crimes".
The man lost me completely when he "Abandoned the free market principal in order to save the free market". I went from "history will treat him kindly" to "he might get a footnote in history".
So I updinged you just to compensate. If I downdinged a reference to an article or an interview, a lot of undeserving people would lose Karma.
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Outrider Sun, Jan 11, 2009 2:34:57pm |
re: #287 CIA Reject
Well, I see that in order to calm emotions over the "stinking hypocrisy of the Vatican" discussion here Charles has opened an evolution thread upstairs. :-)
Oh yeah! An evolution thread will certainly calm things down. lol ;-)>
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loppyd Sun, Jan 11, 2009 2:37:30pm |
re: #286 reine.de.tout
But that was bitter for us too. Would you think it wasn't?
Not at all. Just that Boston was the epicenter of the scandal and it was a 24/7 story here.
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CIA Reject Sun, Jan 11, 2009 2:37:39pm |
re: #289 CapeCoddah
But, the keepers of the religion, the Pope and his cardinals, allowed the abuse to continue unchecked, and protected the beasts that harmed so many children. They reassigned them and allowed the victim count to climb unchecked. Sorry, but this takes any credibility the church has, and kills it. I agree the religion was not to blame at all. I blame the human administrators of the religion. When the leaders of anything let something like that happen, the damage to the entity is unavoidable.
That is precisely what Evil is counting on- that the Faithful will throw the baby out with the bath water.
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Lincolntf Sun, Jan 11, 2009 2:38:32pm |
re: #289 CapeCoddah
Well, you've singlehandedly declared the Roman Catholic Church "killed", so I don't know what to say anymore.
Rest assured that 99% of RC's hate what happened, and that 99% of other Religions/organizations are still covering it up in their own ranks.
Pervs aren't picky about where they find they find their victims, just so long as they find them.
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Taqiyyotomist Sun, Jan 11, 2009 2:39:27pm |
re: #39 yochanan
THE TEAM I AM ROOTING FOR IS THE I.D.F.
Indeed. These Plaxicos are gonna do what tonight? Go out get drunk, flash some bling-bling, pimp they ride, listen to some beat-heavy mysogynistic propaganda, and pass out. F*** sports like the bread and circuses that it is. Folks can't tell you which senators received money from Fannie Mae, who the Vice President is, where Iran can be found on a map...but can recite the statistics of their favorite gladitorial NHL team going back to the 60's. And they vote. F*** sports like f*** American Idol, Lost, 24, et too many al.
Meanwhile the IDF is putting their lives on the line all day long to save their people from the barbarians.
I'll root for the IDF over any pampered, poor-English-speaking gladiator.
-Taq
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reine.de.tout Sun, Jan 11, 2009 2:40:38pm |
re: #290 jwb7605
The man lost me completely when he "Abandoned the free market principal in order to save the free market". I went from "history will treat him kindly" to "he might get a footnote in history".
So I updinged you just to compensate. If I downdinged a reference to an article or an interview, a lot of undeserving people would lose Karma.
Bush not my fave in all things either.
But he has not committed any crimes. I did think it odd that there would be people here who thought he had.
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CapeCoddah Sun, Jan 11, 2009 2:40:46pm |
re: #293 CIA Reject
That is precisely what Evil is counting on- that the Faithful will throw the baby out with the bath water.
I left the church long before the pedophile scandal, because of the overwhelming hypocrisy and the astounding ego of a new priest. The pedophile scandal locked it down for me. I believe in God, and still pray to St. Anthony every time I lose my car keys. (It still works). I don't need the Vatican to tell me what is right and what is wrong.
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CapeCoddah Sun, Jan 11, 2009 2:41:55pm |
re: #294 Lincolntf
Well, you've singlehandedly declared the Roman Catholic Church "killed", so I don't know what to say anymore.
Rest assured that 99% of RC's hate what happened, and that 99% of other Religions/organizations are still covering it up in their own ranks.
Pervs aren't picky about where they find they find their victims, just so long as they find them.
NO, just my faith in the church is dead. I absolutely respect your faith in the church. Absolutely.
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reine.de.tout Sun, Jan 11, 2009 2:42:55pm |
re: #287 CIA Reject
Well, I see that in order to calm emotions over the "stinking hypocrisy of the Vatican" discussion here Charles has opened an evolution thread upstairs. :-)
LOL!
You see - if one is RC, one gets hammered and questioned about "how can you defend a, b or c", when honestly, no one is trying to or even wants to defend a, b or c.
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Dustyvet Sun, Jan 11, 2009 2:45:13pm |
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loppyd Sun, Jan 11, 2009 2:47:13pm |
A little humor to lighten the mood.
I tried to post a comment on the Boston Herald Website today in response to this column:
Unbearable Mama Grizzly clawing way to Oval Office
The columnist, Margery Eagan, is unhinged with her hatred of Sarah Palin. Of course, she is unapologetic in her rapture of The One. She also happens to co-host a radio show here in Boston - up against Rush so you can guess what the ratings are.
So I decided to chime in. This comment was rejected:
Old Maid Marge strikes again. Hey, if you're going after people for their accents you may want to listen to a tape of your mealy mouth self on your unbearable radio show. It's like listening to Willy Whistle with a mouth full of rocks.
WTH?
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CapeCoddah Sun, Jan 11, 2009 2:47:32pm |
re: #280 Lincolntf
He was the victim of a pedophile, not the victim of a Religion.
When the church leaders allow priests to rape children unchecked and with no consequence so as not to sully the religion, The children are indeed victims of that religion, because the powers that be deem the religion more important than a childs life.
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CIA Reject Sun, Jan 11, 2009 2:47:55pm |
re: #297 CapeCoddah
I left the church long before the pedophile scandal, because of the overwhelming hypocrisy and the astounding ego of a new priest. The pedophile scandal locked it down for me. I believe in God, and still pray to St. Anthony every time I lose my car keys. (It still works). I don't need the Vatican to tell me what is right and what is wrong.
I understand and respect your position. Believe me I have had my fair share of frustrations and disappointments with certain members of the clergy. I hope you continue to pray, and I also hope you can find the time to read some of the Catechism since it embodies the Truth that sometimes is ill-represented by the clergy.
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reine.de.tout Sun, Jan 11, 2009 2:48:54pm |
re: #300 buzzsawmonkey
They may have been downdinging the story, not your link to it--in other words, showing their disapproval of those who, in the story, discuss Bush as though he has "committed crimes."
The ding can be an inexact tool sometimes.
Ah! Perhaps so.
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CapeCoddah Sun, Jan 11, 2009 2:49:15pm |
re: #302 loppyd
A little humor to lighten the mood.
I tried to post a comment on the Boston Herald Website today in response to this column:
Unbearable Mama Grizzly clawing way to Oval Office
The columnist, Margery Eagan, is unhinged with her hatred of Sarah Palin. Of course, she is unapologetic in her rapture of The One. She also happens to co-host a radio show here in Boston - up against Rush so you can guess what the ratings are.
So I decided to chime in. This comment was rejected:
WTH?
Loppy, I posted that earlier, my comment was rejected, also, and was profanity free.
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CIA Reject Sun, Jan 11, 2009 2:50:58pm |
re: #299 reine.de.tout
LOL!
You see - if one is RC, one gets hammered and questioned about "how can you defend a, b or c", when honestly, no one is trying to or even wants to defend a, b or c.
Exactly.
Bishop Sheen used to say that he believed there were, at most, only a dozen or so people in the whole world who truly hated the Catholic Church. He also believed that there were many millions of people who hated what they thought was the Catholic Church, but was not.
I totally agree with him.
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loppyd Sun, Jan 11, 2009 2:51:32pm |
re: #306 CapeCoddah
Loppy, I posted that earlier, my comment was rejected, also, and was profanity free.
Typical liberal. Her column was more vitriolic than my comment!
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reine.de.tout Sun, Jan 11, 2009 2:51:57pm |
re: #307 CIA Reject
Exactly.
Bishop Sheen used to say that he believed there were, at most, only a dozen or so people in the whole world who truly hated the Catholic Church. He also believed that there were many millions of people who hated what they thought was the Catholic Church, but was not.
I totally agree with him.
That's your second comment in this thread I've "hearted".
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CIA Reject Sun, Jan 11, 2009 2:54:55pm |
re: #309 reine.de.tout
That's your second comment in this thread I've "hearted".
Gee- thanks, but you shouldn't have told me that. Now I'll have to get bigger hats! :-).
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jwb7605 Sun, Jan 11, 2009 2:55:00pm |
re: #296 reine.de.tout
Bush not my fave in all things either.
But he has not committed any crimes. I did think it odd that there would be people here who thought he had.
I don't think there are people here that think he has committed crimes.
Stinky would probably demand some proof, and then wield the wrench.
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Tigger2005 Sun, Jan 11, 2009 2:59:35pm |
Are the animal rights folks going to protest?
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path Sun, Jan 11, 2009 3:02:16pm |
re: #302 loppyd
I was also out on the Boston Herald website today and read some of her article but, did you notice the vote results regarding Sara Palin. I think it was 93% (might have been 83%) positive for Palin!
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SueG Sun, Jan 11, 2009 3:02:38pm |
That peace dove walking in front of the Israeli soldier is such a beautiful illustration here. (0:47)
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Lincolntf Sun, Jan 11, 2009 3:05:48pm |
re: #303 CapeCoddah
I'm not going to argue about this. Anyone who doesn't believe that child-rape (or covering it up) is the antithesis of Catholicism doesn't understand Catholicism.
One of the first things I ever learned (and loved) about Catholicism is that it's the people who are the Church. Not the building, not the Book, not the Vatican, just the people.
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CapeCoddah Sun, Jan 11, 2009 3:31:04pm |
re: #315 Lincolntf
I'm not going to argue about this. Anyone who doesn't believe that child-rape (or covering it up) is the antithesis of Catholicism doesn't understand Catholicism.
One of the first things I ever learned (and loved) about Catholicism is that it's the people who are the Church. Not the building, not the Book, not the Vatican, just the people.
You misunderstand my position. I do not blame catholics. I blame the Vatican, or the men who represent the Vatican. When children are allowed to be victimized and that is hidden and ignored, for the "good of the religion", those children become victims in the name of that religion.
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yochanan Sun, Jan 11, 2009 3:35:43pm |
re: #295 Taqiyyotomist
i like sports for entertainment NOTHING ELSE DEF. NOT A ROLE MODEL
a guy giving his all to save his buddies or his country YEAH BABY
all gave some
SOME GAVE ALL
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yochanan Sun, Jan 11, 2009 3:38:54pm |
DEFIANCE is a movie i might want to see
FIGHTING JEWS no different from the Jews that fought in the 48 war.
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MarineGrunt Sun, Jan 11, 2009 4:10:46pm |
re: #262 solomonpanting
White phosphorus, "WP, willy peter", cause more than just a burn, willy peter will burn right through flesh, nasty shit
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Render Sun, Jan 11, 2009 5:09:40pm |
For all of you calling on PETA...Forget it.
PETA dictator Ingrid Newkirk is a terrorist supporter, as well as leader of her own little band of eco-terrorists.
[Link: www.discoverthenetworks.org...]
WASTE
OF
TIME,
R
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Render Sun, Jan 11, 2009 5:18:26pm |
re: #262 solomonpanting
Israel is using 70mm WP rockets in Gaza, fired from Apache gunships.
Almost every military on the planet uses WP ammo.
Russia complained loudly about the US military using WP in Iraq, yet Russia used massive amounts of WP in Chechnya. China has used WP rounds on civilian protesters inside China as well.
The claims against WP ammo are as fraudulent and one sided as the claims against cluster munitions, mines, and napalm.
DEFENSIVE
TUNNELS,
R
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LGoPs Sun, Jan 11, 2009 5:53:01pm |
re: #322 Render
For all of you calling on PETA...Forget it.
PETA dictator Ingrid Newkirk is a terrorist supporter, as well as leader of her own little band of eco-terrorists.
[Link: www.discoverthenetworks.org...]
WASTE
OF
TIME,
R
I think the call is more to flush them out. Illustrate that they have an agenda and it sure ain't animals......
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experiencedtraveller Sun, Jan 11, 2009 6:00:12pm |
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PAUL72002 Sun, Jan 11, 2009 6:04:29pm |
As an attempt to end the priest pedophile scandal arguments of
'they let it go on' or 'they covered it up'
After confession the tresspass is forgiven and never held against the person.
Otherwise the practice confession is worthless.
What you should be upset about is that a group of pedophiles took advantage of the system. Not confession and forgivness of sin- the cornerstone of ALL christian churches
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wordsworth Sun, Jan 11, 2009 6:07:01pm |
It's Gaza which is the actual zoo, and those poor school children would have been safer hidden behind bars.
Anyone else catch that the IDF is employing live Zionist pigeons to assist in these video tours?
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ledger1 Sun, Jan 11, 2009 7:49:22pm |
What would Obama say about this: “Let’s negotiate with them!”
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Mardukhai Sun, Jan 11, 2009 9:57:49pm |
Wow. The hat-tip competition is fierce!
I posted my link to this story seven minutes before Charles opened this thread. As the IDF posted the video only 20 minutes before that (as far as I can tell), this means that Kilgore contacted Charles only a few minutes before I did.
Boy, we are on top of things at LGF, aren't we?
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jmaimarc Sun, Jan 11, 2009 11:01:03pm |
re: #314 SueG
Ya beat me to it..
Do you think he was a member of the IDF patrol, or just one of those irony's G-d likes to stick in?
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larrysheldon Mon, Jan 12, 2009 8:13:30am |
I am considerably bothered by that video.
Those folks do not act like people discovering boobytraps, they act like a C-grade propaganda piece.
What am I missing?
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