Joe Wurzelbacher is in Israel; in this extended report he visits a house destroyed by a Hamas rocket, confronts a group of Reuters journalists, then comes under rocket attack while doing an interview and has to go into a shelter: Pajamas TV - Joe Wurzelbacher Comes Under Attack in Southern Israel.
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faraway Mon, Jan 12, 2009 8:42:40am |
They are putting Joe on the case of the CPR video. Says he's already looking into it.
Joe says "its an obvious fake"
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Ron Shaw Mon, Jan 12, 2009 8:42:57am |
...maybe he should have dug himself one of those 'defensive tunnels'?
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Kosh's Shadow Mon, Jan 12, 2009 8:42:59am |
These are the stories the MSM should be doing.
From my cancellation email to the Boston Globe:
One way to improve the reporting would be to include articles on how Israel has received years of rocket attacks, and how they have coped. Some reports on how the people of Sderot, inside pre-1967 Israel, have had to cope with years of rocket attacks, would go a long way to explaining Israel's reaction. The inhabitants of Sderot have not been able to have normal lives for years.
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Kyle_st Mon, Jan 12, 2009 8:43:43am |
This guy is so far superior to the MSM, their toes must be curling in their shoes something fierce!
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VegasRick Mon, Jan 12, 2009 8:43:48am |
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faraway Mon, Jan 12, 2009 8:43:49am |
As I said on the open thread, based on this video, Joe is going to be a sensation.
Shockingly real.
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jwb7605 Mon, Jan 12, 2009 8:43:52am |
re: #8 Killgore Trout
Video for subscribers only. Bummer.
Subscription is free.
You may expect "Promotional e-mails", though.
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WriterMom Mon, Jan 12, 2009 8:45:13am |
The popularity and sincerity of J the P is KILLING the MSM. No matter how they sneer-this guy rocks.
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Occasional Reader Mon, Jan 12, 2009 8:45:32am |
Those rockets are just big, harmless, jovial firecrackers, everyone knows that.
/msm
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yma o hyd Mon, Jan 12, 2009 8:45:34am |
re: #4 faraway
They are putting Joe on the case of the CPR video. Says he's already looking into it.
Joe says "its an obvious fake"
Heh.
Has someone told him that Mr Martin, according to his own e-mail to Charles, is doing a film or such about these Hamas missile attacks?
Would be a hoot if Joe lays into Mr Martin, on camera ...
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Ringo the Gringo Mon, Jan 12, 2009 8:45:37am |
Anyone else think that Joe the Plumber is a dead ringer for that guy on the TV show The Shield?
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Hard Right Mon, Jan 12, 2009 8:46:52am |
re: #16 Ringo the Gringo
Anyone else think that Joe the Plumber is a dead ringer for that guy on the TV show The Shield?
I thought that too. That was a great show.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Jan 12, 2009 8:47:12am |
re: #16 Ringo the Gringo
Anyone else think that Joe the Plumber is a dead ringer for that guy on the TV show The Shield?
He used to be "The Commish"
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big steve Mon, Jan 12, 2009 8:48:30am |
re: #16 Ringo the Gringo
Anyone else think that Joe the Plumber is a dead ringer for that guy on the TV show The Shield?
Ahhh.....you know all use big white bald guys look alike!
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jwb7605 Mon, Jan 12, 2009 8:48:38am |
Having watched the video 3 times, I'm pleasantly surprised by the graphics shown at appropriate moments.
Video begins with the world, spinning, stopping on Israel. Nice perspective.
Joe starts out by saying he's in Sderot, and during the audio, the video zooms in on a satellite view of Israel, ending up at the geographic location. Boundaries are displayed in red.
Alternative would be Katie Couric with a deer-in-the-headlights look sitting behind a desk, big map behind her.
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Killgore Trout Mon, Jan 12, 2009 8:48:43am |
OT From drudge: 'Hamas salaries paid at Shifa Hospital'
Shifa Hospital is home base to Mads Gilbert and is also most likely where the faked video was shot.
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The Optimist Mon, Jan 12, 2009 8:48:45am |
Honest Joe, calls it like he sees it. forget plumbing. be a political commentator.
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Ringo the Gringo Mon, Jan 12, 2009 8:48:49am |
The real question isn't whether a plumber can do the news, it's wether Christiane Amanpour can fix a toilet.
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acwgusa Mon, Jan 12, 2009 8:49:11am |
re: #16 Ringo the Gringo
Anyone else think that Joe the Plumber is a dead ringer for that guy on the TV show The Shield?
I can't see JtP whacking a Reuters Reporter upside the head with a 9mm.
Well, I can, but its not likely to happen.
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big steve Mon, Jan 12, 2009 8:49:48am |
re: #24 Ringo the Gringo
The real question isn't whether a plumber can do the news, it's wether Christiane Amanpour can fix a toilet.
LOL....upding worthy
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Jan 12, 2009 8:49:49am |
re: #9 Kyle_st
This guy is so far superior to the MSM, their toes must be curling in their shoes something fierce!
They'll start attacking him soon. They'll call 'non-objective' and 'biased' and they'll refuse to report anything he digs up. This will not just be because he does not share their views, but because they are defending their jobs. They don't want to admit that their J-School degrees may not be worth as much as good instincts and an open mind.
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Dr. Shalit Mon, Jan 12, 2009 8:50:10am |
Watched the Video, Joe has the basics of reporting down cold. His delivery will improve with time, and not much time at that. Wonder if reporting is his new career.
-S-
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bloodnok Mon, Jan 12, 2009 8:50:24am |
re: #22 Killgore Trout
OT From drudge: 'Hamas salaries paid at Shifa Hospital'
Shifa Hospital is home base to Mads Gilbert and is also most likely where the faked video was shot.
oof...
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Devil's Advocate Mon, Jan 12, 2009 8:50:45am |
I was surprised. Joe actually wasn't that bad.
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snopercod Mon, Jan 12, 2009 8:51:14am |
I wonder if Joe gave that family of the bombed home a bid on fixing their plumbing.
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Ringo the Gringo Mon, Jan 12, 2009 8:51:18am |
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jwb7605 Mon, Jan 12, 2009 8:51:21am |
re: #29 Dark_Falcon
They'll start attacking him soon. They'll call 'non-objective' and 'biased' and they'll refuse to report anything he digs up. This will not just be because he does not share their views, but because they are defending their jobs. They don't want to admit that their J-School degrees may not be worth as much as good instincts and an open mind.
He is biased. He doesn't hide it as well as say, Katie Couric. Or Dan Rather. Or other professionals.
/?
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Jan 12, 2009 8:51:27am |
re: #20 big steve
Ahhh.....you know all use big white bald guys look alike!
Both just Typical White People.
-BHO
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MandyManners Mon, Jan 12, 2009 8:51:48am |
"I'm not looking for the story. I'm looking for the truth."
He's gonna' be labeled a propagandist for Israel by the MFM.
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faraway Mon, Jan 12, 2009 8:51:52am |
While I was watching Joe, it gave me a jolt. I was wondering why it would seem strange to me that a person who was asking the questions I would ask or say the things you or might say.
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WriterMom Mon, Jan 12, 2009 8:51:57am |
re: #24 Ringo the Gringo
Well, her coverage reminds me of big, stinky turds-so she's very familiar with the subject.
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yma o hyd Mon, Jan 12, 2009 8:52:17am |
re: #29 Dark_Falcon
They'll start attacking him soon. They'll call 'non-objective' and 'biased' and they'll refuse to report anything he digs up. This will not just be because he does not share their views, but because they are defending their jobs. They don't want to admit that their J-School degrees may not be worth as much as good instincts and an open mind.
Too right!
Because they're of course not biased, and he, of course, has no 'feelings' for the poor, persecuted hamasholes, like they have in spades!
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albusteve Mon, Jan 12, 2009 8:52:39am |
re: #38 MandyManners
"I'm not looking for the story. I'm looking for the truth."
He's gonna' be labeled a propagandist for Israel by the MFM.
I hope so....sure will elevate his cred inna hurry
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Ringo the Gringo Mon, Jan 12, 2009 8:52:42am |
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Occasional Reader Mon, Jan 12, 2009 8:52:43am |
re: #19 buzzsawmonkey
Missing "r" in Wurzelbacher #2 above, Charles.
PJ Media economizes on consonants, and passes the savings on to you.
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Jan 12, 2009 8:52:46am |
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WriterMom Mon, Jan 12, 2009 8:52:48am |
re: #38 MandyManners
I'm sure he'd be happier to be known that way than a shill for terrorists like the rest of the MSM.
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jwb7605 Mon, Jan 12, 2009 8:53:10am |
re: #37 Dark_Falcon
Both just Typical White People.
-BHO
Somebody posted the other night about having to change their drivers license because of gray hair.
(I hope I remembered to upding the comment)
/signed, the other half of "typical white people"
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Killgore Trout Mon, Jan 12, 2009 8:53:13am |
Ed Morressy on Joe the Plumber.....
Joe the Plumber becomes Joe the Media
....Joe seems ready to make the same mistake that the MSM does, which is picking sides rather than reporting. He’s made it clear that his mission is to tell the Israeli side, which is unfortunately badly needed at this stage. At least he’s honest about that, but it doesn’t make him that much better than his mainstream media peers. If they announced that they felt a duty to report the Palestinian side of the conflict because they genuinely believe that Israel is the aggressor, would that make their reporting any more objective or truthful? Not really.What this conflict needs is disinterested, dispassionate reporting, a historical record that doesn’t rely on terrorist propagandists nor on “patriotic” reports from the front. Joe the Plumber may make a fine columnist or opinion journalist — we’ll see when he begins filing regular reports — but his entirely legitimate criticism of the mainstream global media will apply to himself as well if he declares that he will deliver “patriotic” reports on behalf of Israel.
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Mich-again Mon, Jan 12, 2009 8:53:16am |
Joe has the most important trait of a good reporter. He doesn't want to be the story.
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WriterMom Mon, Jan 12, 2009 8:53:36am |
re: #43 Ringo the Gringo
He was really chunky as the Commish...he looks waaaaaaaay better now.
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lifeofthemind Mon, Jan 12, 2009 8:53:47am |
re: #34 snopercod
I wonder if Joe gave that family of the bombed home a bid on fixing their plumbing.
You haven't met unions until you have been to Israel. Joe better not touch a plunger.
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albusteve Mon, Jan 12, 2009 8:53:57am |
re: #50 Mich-again
Joe has the most important trait of a good reporter. He doesn't want to be the story.
excellent...
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big steve Mon, Jan 12, 2009 8:54:02am |
re: #35 Ringo the Gringo
I don't even know what it means, but it sounded good.
Laughing Out Loud.....
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karmic_inquisitor Mon, Jan 12, 2009 8:54:03am |
re: #24 Ringo the Gringo
The real question isn't whether a plumber can do the news, it's wether Christiane Amanpour can fix a toilet.
Well we can be certain of one thing - Amanpour knows how to fix the news.
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Jan 12, 2009 8:54:28am |
re: #38 MandyManners
"I'm not looking for the story. I'm looking for the truth."
He's gonna' be labeled a propagandist for Israel by the MFM.
Yep, that's my hunch. Still, high quality reporting with support from people like us might save him. And if he can survive in his new profession, he might help lead the way to a reform of the media.
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snopercod Mon, Jan 12, 2009 8:54:48am |
Joe needs to work on the "you knows". Otherwise, folks might confuse him with Caroline Kennedy.
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WitchDoctor Mon, Jan 12, 2009 8:55:07am |
He's actually not bad, but he really needs to work on the obama-like hemms and haws. On the other hand, look where that got obama.
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scottishbuzzsaw Mon, Jan 12, 2009 8:55:12am |
If more journalists were like Joe, I might actually be able to watch the news again without feeling ill.
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Hard Right Mon, Jan 12, 2009 8:55:45am |
re: #36 jwb7605
He is biased. He doesn't hide it as well as say, Katie Couric. Or Dan Rather. Or other professionals.
/?
They are attacking him. Saw it last night and them making fun of him trying to think of questions.
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yma o hyd Mon, Jan 12, 2009 8:55:50am |
re: #49 Killgore Trout
Gawd.
What does he think the 'reporting' is we've had from the MFM?
Are they not 'opinion pieces' for Hamas, clad in 'we're not biased'-journalese?
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bulwrk Mon, Jan 12, 2009 8:56:54am |
re: #24 Ringo the Gringo
The real question isn't whether a plumber can do the news, it's wether Christiane Amanpour can fix a toilet.
With the sheer volume of crap that comes out of her I'm sure she has plugged a few.
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yma o hyd Mon, Jan 12, 2009 8:57:04am |
re: #51 MandyManners
Reuters is gonna' go after him.
GO JOE!
Good luck to Reuters - I'm sure the blogosphere will provide Joe with sufficient ammunition to take them on.
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jwb7605 Mon, Jan 12, 2009 8:57:07am |
re: #61 Hard Right
They are attacking him. Saw it last night and them making fun of him trying to think of questions.
Refreshing to watch a real on-the-cuff interview!
I haven't seen that since Walter Cronkite faked it well.
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ziggyelman Mon, Jan 12, 2009 8:57:08am |
easiest sign up ever! Put in email addy twice, password twice, and video shows up! No link back in your email to click on....
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Mich-again Mon, Jan 12, 2009 8:57:40am |
I like his unpolished style and the fact that he is passionate about reporting facts that are left behind by the MSM because they aren't helpful to the message.
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DeafDog Mon, Jan 12, 2009 8:57:49am |
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ratherdashing Mon, Jan 12, 2009 8:58:47am |
re: #47 newsjunkie_ky
J-school turns out automatons.
This is why it's refreshing to see Joe the Plumber. He's gonna call it like he sees it without the filters installed by years of J-school indoctrination.
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Nevergiveup Mon, Jan 12, 2009 8:59:02am |
re: #63 bulwrk
With the sheer volume of crap that comes out of her I'm sure she has plugged a few.
I up dinged you on that one since there are so many ways to comment on that, and at least half have the ability to get me banned!
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J.D. Mon, Jan 12, 2009 9:00:00am |
re: #24 Ringo the Gringo
The real question isn't whether a plumber can do the news, it's wether Christiane Amanpour can fix a toilet.
And does she have a license?
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Leonidas Hoplite Mon, Jan 12, 2009 9:00:17am |
Doing the work the MSM won't. Thank you Joe!
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Mich-again Mon, Jan 12, 2009 9:00:52am |
Good comment that the homemade Pali missiles look like something an 8 year kid would draw up. And I did not know that the Palis are destroying their own infrastructure to get the 2' and 4' galvanized pipe they need for the missiles.
Geniuses. Dismantle the municipal water supply system to make weapons.
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Pastorius Mon, Jan 12, 2009 9:01:01am |
Honestly, how stupid that I have to sign in to use Pajamas TV.
Guess what, it ain't gonna happen.
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kynna Mon, Jan 12, 2009 9:01:15am |
Was the rocket fired by Hamas or CNN?
Prayers for Joe's safety while he does the work the MSM seems to be incapable of even comprehending, much less doing.
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FrogMarch Mon, Jan 12, 2009 9:01:17am |
but but but - Hamas Nazi rockets are filled with Marxist love.
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subsailor68 Mon, Jan 12, 2009 9:01:27am |
re: #39 faraway
While I was watching Joe, it gave me a jolt. I was wondering why it would seem strange to me that a person who was asking the questions I would ask or say the things you or might say.
You and me both. Do you, as I do, spend half an interview yelling at the screen things like "Ask him about (fill in the blank), you moron!" or "Did you hear what that idiot just said? Follow up dammit!"?
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lawhawk Mon, Jan 12, 2009 9:01:38am |
re: #22 Killgore Trout
OT From drudge: 'Hamas salaries paid at Shifa Hospital'
Shifa Hospital is home base to Mads Gilbert and is also most likely where the faked video was shot.
As I noted in the DT, Gilbert was in Gaza for all of a week - he's now back in Oslo spewing his nonsensical agitprop for anyone who is in earshot. He was at Shifa hospital, fully staffed by Hamas thugs on the payroll, mugging for the cameras and doing bad propaganda videos.
I'm sorry, but if the situation is as bad as he claims, how did he have time to mug for the cameras? I know interns in residency pull longer shifts than that which Gilbert did, and then they're still going at it. Evil.
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opnion Mon, Jan 12, 2009 9:01:53am |
Joe must be destroyed! He is proving that the MSM types are not really that talented.
Soon they will float the rumor that Trig Palin is the love child of Joe & Sarah.
sarc.
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Nevergiveup Mon, Jan 12, 2009 9:01:57am |
18:49 Saudi Arabia accuses Israel of `racist extermination` in Gaza (Reuters)
And This from a country that doesn't allow JEWS in?
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Treesarie Mon, Jan 12, 2009 9:01:59am |
Bernie needs 3 hots and a cot, or he will never get it.
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jwb7605 Mon, Jan 12, 2009 9:02:02am |
re: #71 WriterMom
This is
A GUTSY, bravean American. GO JOE!
I hope the average American would do the same thing, given the opportunity.
Most of the WWII vets I know described into the "scared, then enraged" part.
Those people are ordinary, darn fine Americans.
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faraway Mon, Jan 12, 2009 9:02:02am |
re: #29 Dark_Falcon
They'll start attacking him soon. They'll call 'non-objective' and 'biased' and they'll refuse to report anything he digs up.
Ed at HotAir is trying to say Joe should be objective when reporting on Hamas.
Hamas is a terrorist organization. They dont rate any objectivity. What is he thinking?
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Mich-again Mon, Jan 12, 2009 9:02:27am |
re: #77 Pastorius
It was no big deal really. Geesh. Took me 10 seconds.
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Killgore Trout Mon, Jan 12, 2009 9:02:53am |
Paliwood watch (WARNING GRAPHIC)......
RAW : baby got burned to death in Ghaza (- Graphic -)
He even walks down the hallways backwards so the camera can stay on the burned baby, then makes an impassioned speech. This is a tough one to watch.
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subsailor68 Mon, Jan 12, 2009 9:02:58am |
re: #87 faraway
Ed at HotAir is trying to say Joe should be objective when reporting on Hamas.
Hamas is a terrorist organization. They dont rate any objectivity. What is he thinking?
Ah, but saying Hamas is a terrorist organization is being objective.
:-)
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opinionated Mon, Jan 12, 2009 9:03:09am |
Who better?
As a plumber he can recognize the peculiar stench emanating from the shit hole next door.
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bloodnok Mon, Jan 12, 2009 9:03:26am |
re: #83 opnion
Joe must be destroyed! He is proving that the MSM types are not really that talented.
Soon they will float the rumor that Trig Palin is the love child of Joe & Sarah.
sarc.
Reminds me of this exchange from Seinfeld
JERRY: (Bravely) Well, what if I deliver it?
NEWMAN: You?! (Laughs hysterically) You can't deliver mail!
JERRY: Well, why not?
NEWMAN: (Thinks for a moment) I guess you're right. It's just walking around putting it into boxes..
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WriterMom Mon, Jan 12, 2009 9:03:44am |
re: #77 Pastorius
What's the big deal? You can use any e-mail address.
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DeafDog Mon, Jan 12, 2009 9:04:08am |
re: #49 Killgore Trout
Ed Morressy on Joe the Plumber.....
Joe the Plumber becomes Joe the Media
Instead of "Joe the Media," maybe "GI Joe" would be a cooler nick?
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Ben Hur Mon, Jan 12, 2009 9:04:18am |
Was at a wedding this weekend.
Israel is united.
Even my leftist Israeli acquaintances are outraged by the MSM.
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Kosh's Shadow Mon, Jan 12, 2009 9:04:45am |
re: #75 Mich-again
Good comment that the homemade Pali missiles look like something an 8 year kid would draw up. And I did not know that the Palis are destroying their own infrastructure to get the 2' and 4' galvanized pipe they need for the missiles.
Geniuses. Dismantle the municipal water supply system to make weapons.
Because they can always blame the Jooos.
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ratherdashing Mon, Jan 12, 2009 9:04:45am |
If nothing else, Joe will an attention grabber for PJTV. I heard them mentioned on my local country music channel yesterday. The radio host made a joke about hoping they don't report in their pajamas. It was lame humor. But, hey PJTV got some publicity.
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lawhawk Mon, Jan 12, 2009 9:04:45am |
Gilbert compares Gaza to the Warsaw Ghetto. Nice. Classy. Just ignore the thousands of rockets fired by Hamas at Israel necessitating Israel's response to defend itself from genocidal terrorists. Gilbert has repeatedly sided with evil (supported the 9/11 attackers), so going and throwing support to Hamas is a step down.
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bloodnok Mon, Jan 12, 2009 9:04:46am |
re: #96 Ben Hur
Was at a wedding this weekend.
Israel is united.
Even my leftist Israeli acquaintances are outraged by the MSM.
That is good to hear.
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jaunte Mon, Jan 12, 2009 9:05:18am |
re: #22 Killgore Trout
Here's some black irony: In the midst of Hamas fighters committing war crimes by embedding themselves among the part of a civilian population most at risk, a UNRWA spokesman questions someone else's credibility:
The Shin Bet told ministers last week that Hamas leaders were hiding in a basement bunker built by Israel under the Shifa Hospital complex in Gaza City. The basement at the hospital was refurbished during Israel's occupation of the Gaza Strip, Haaretz reported on Monday. The United Nations insists that it keeps Hamas members out of the schools, clinics and other institutions it runs in Gaza.
In response to Dichter's comments, a UNRWA spokesman in Israel said on Monday that the UN was getting mixed messages from the Israeli establishment, and that with each "flip flop" the credibility of each Israeli assertion is "diminished incrementally."
[Link: www.jpost.com...]
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Jan 12, 2009 9:05:19am |
re: #69 ratherdashing
This is why it's refreshing to see Joe the Plumber. He's gonna call it like he sees it without the filters installed by years of J-school indoctrination.
Not just that. It's also a bit of NOCD (Not Our Class Dear). Some in the MSM look down on Joe as a working class "bitter clinger" (to use Obama's phrasing again). They want to believe that a journalist cannot be made out of a blue-collar worker. This attitude is what rational people call "Being an asshole".
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Nevergiveup Mon, Jan 12, 2009 9:05:39am |
re: #96 Ben Hur
Was at a wedding this weekend.
Israel is united.
Even my leftist Israeli acquaintances are outraged by the MSM.
But they don't get the connection between the leftist Media and the leftist Candidates/Politicians?
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x-wing Mon, Jan 12, 2009 9:06:12am |
Just checking back in . I hope Joe and his reporting really scares the hell at of the "professional" journalists with his reporting. I know it wont happen,they'll try to destroy him again.
But give 'em hell anyway Joe.
What happened to the Gazacam?
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concernedUCIstudent Mon, Jan 12, 2009 9:06:14am |
Why the heck do I have to register to see the video?
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Nevergiveup Mon, Jan 12, 2009 9:06:24am |
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jwb7605 Mon, Jan 12, 2009 9:06:31am |
re: #87 faraway
Ed at HotAir is trying to say Joe should be objective when reporting on Hamas.
Hamas is a terrorist organization. They dont rate any objectivity. What is he thinking?
Nobody watching TV today recognizes the name Ernie Pyle.
Objective reporting in a war zone requires bias.
The public needs to know where the reporter is coming from. Today's public cannot see the elephant in the room when viewing a report from somebody embedded with Hamas.
Anybody know of a Michael Yon or Michael Totten report from an embedded with the Taliban perspective?
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buzzdroid Mon, Jan 12, 2009 9:06:53am |
re: #82 lawhawk
As I noted in the DT, Gilbert was in Gaza for all of a week - he's now back in Oslo spewing his nonsensical agitprop for anyone who is in earshot. He was at Shifa hospital, fully staffed by Hamas thugs on the payroll, mugging for the cameras and doing bad propaganda videos.
I'm sorry, but if the situation is as bad as he claims, how did he have time to mug for the cameras? I know interns in residency pull longer shifts than that which Gilbert did, and then they're still going at it. Evil.
and while the MAD doctor was in that hospital,he turned a blind eye to Hamas thugs EXECUTING patients.
[Link: www.nytimes.com...]
"At Shifa Hospital in Gaza, the director, Dr. Hussein Ashour, said that keeping his patients alive from their wounds was an enormous challenge. He said there were some 1,500 wounded people distributed among Gaza’s nine hospitals with far too few intensive care units, equipped ambulances and other vital equipment.
On Monday, Dr. Ashour was not the only official in charge. Armed Hamas militants in civilian clothes roamed the halls. Asked their function, they said it was to provide security. But there was internal bloodletting under way.
In the fourth-floor orthopedic section, a woman in her late 20s asked a militant to let her see Saleh Hajoj, her 32-year-old husband. She was turned away and left the hospital. Fifteen minutes later, Mr. Hajoj was carried out by young men pretending to transfer him to another ward. As he lay on the stretcher, he was shot in the left side of the head.
Mr. Hajoj, like five others killed at the hospital this way in 24 hours, was accused of collaboration with Israel."
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redheadredstate Mon, Jan 12, 2009 9:07:27am |
Just another reason to fight the so called "fairness doctrine". This was one of the most honest reports that I've ever seen come out of the mideast. Joe is my hero.
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Jan 12, 2009 9:07:29am |
re: #80 Ben Hur
As scary as pictures of the Blitz form 1940. I know of nothing else to say except that my heart is sore afraid.
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Jan 12, 2009 9:07:47am |
re: #62 yma o hyd
Gawd.
What does he think the 'reporting' is we've had from the MFM?
Are they not 'opinion pieces' for Hamas, clad in 'we're not biased'-journalese?
I have to agree with the Hotair article. We need reporters that dig out the facts and reports on them.
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Mich-again Mon, Jan 12, 2009 9:08:00am |
The other story that is not being told is that not all Palestinians support Hamas. The MSM frames this as Israel versus all Palestinians, giving Hamas a free pass for tee-totally f-ing up the chance they had at actually governing.
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ratherdashing Mon, Jan 12, 2009 9:08:06am |
re: #102 Dark_Falcon
Not just that. It's also a bit of NOCD (Not Our Class Dear). Some in the MSM look down on Joe as a working class "bitter clinger" (to use Obama's phrasing again). They want to believe that a journalist cannot be made out of a blue-collar worker. This attitude is what rational people call "Being an asshole".
Who was the old Chicago Tribune reporter (now retired or dead) that said that was what the problem was with journalism today. Bald guy. Blue collar. He said not enough reporters hung out at the corner tavern after work and had contact with real people.
... thinking.. thinking...
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Racer X Mon, Jan 12, 2009 9:08:16am |
Register = watch the video
Don't register = you don't get to watch
Really, is it that fucking hard?
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Sheila Broflovski Mon, Jan 12, 2009 9:08:35am |
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Spare O'Lake Mon, Jan 12, 2009 9:08:40am |
re: #96 Ben Hur
Was at a wedding this weekend.
Israel is united.
Even my leftist Israeli acquaintances are outraged by the MSM.
Don't worry, it's only temporary.
/
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CIA Reject Mon, Jan 12, 2009 9:09:06am |
re: #24 Ringo the Gringo
The real question isn't whether a plumber can do the news, it's wether Christiane Amanpour can fix clog a toilet.
/I think we all know the answer to that one...
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faraway Mon, Jan 12, 2009 9:09:31am |
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Killgore Trout Mon, Jan 12, 2009 9:09:32am |
Al-Aqsa TV Airs Hamas Psychological Warfare.
Aired on Al-Aqsa TV (Hamas/Gaza) - January 11, 2009 - 00:01:33 Hamas Psychological Warfare: Al-Aqsa TV Calls on Israelis "to Return to Where You Came From" and Promises a "Big Present on Election Night".
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Taqiyyotomist Mon, Jan 12, 2009 9:09:36am |
re: #49 Killgore Trout
"What this conflict needs is disinterested, dispassionate reporting..."
I thought that was the problem. Disinterested and dispassionate means there is no difference between the sides, the "reporter" is just a Global Citizen, everything must be fair meaning every motive for every action by every entity must be portrayed as equal and morally and ethically equivalent.
Screw disinterested and dispassionate. Go JOE! God forbid he ever attempts to "be liked" by the elites in academia and media. That would be his assimilation into the Borg hive-mind.
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WriterMom Mon, Jan 12, 2009 9:09:48am |
re: #103 buzzsawmonkey
Yes-I noticed that too. As if he actually cares. Imagine that!
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jwb7605 Mon, Jan 12, 2009 9:09:59am |
re: #120 Alouette
Sign up with a throwaway email.
I subscribe to the PajamasMedia RSS feed. One e-mail per day, 50% of the time, I'm glad I got it. The other 50% of the time, "send to trash" is just a click away.
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WriterMom Mon, Jan 12, 2009 9:10:13am |
re: #124 faraway
LOL. Glad to know I'm not the only one shallow enough to have made that observation.
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Jan 12, 2009 9:10:23am |
re: #80 Ben Hur
This is Britain.
That girl in the orange vest trying to prevent violence clearly does not understand who she is talking to. She needs to wise up and join the pro-Israel side or she's going to wind up in a burqa.
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yma o hyd Mon, Jan 12, 2009 9:10:35am |
re: #99 lawhawk
Gilbert compares Gaza to the Warsaw Ghetto. Nice. Classy. Just ignore the thousands of rockets fired by Hamas at Israel necessitating Israel's response to defend itself from genocidal terrorists. Gilbert has repeatedly sided with evil (supported the 9/11 attackers), so going and throwing support to Hamas is a step down.
As a doctor, he surely ought to be aware of the fact that in the Warsaw Ghetto (as in the KZs generally) women stopped menstruating because of the lack of food, and thus did not conceive.
How is it then that the birth rate in Gaza is so high?
But hey, he don't need facts, scientific or otherwise, he's a propagandist pure and simple.
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ratherdashing Mon, Jan 12, 2009 9:10:46am |
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Jan 12, 2009 9:10:47am |
re: #99 lawhawk
Gilbert compares Gaza to the Warsaw Ghetto. Nice. Classy. Just ignore the thousands of rockets fired by Hamas at Israel necessitating Israel's response to defend itself from genocidal terrorists. Gilbert has repeatedly sided with evil (supported the 9/11 attackers), so going and throwing support to Hamas is a step down.
The Warsaw Ghetto? Don't get me started. Mads Gilbert is a lying piece of shit.
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Leonidas Hoplite Mon, Jan 12, 2009 9:11:40am |
re: #118 ratherdashing
Who was the old Chicago Tribune reporter (now retired or dead) that said that was what the problem was with journalism today. Bald guy. Blue collar. He said not enough reporters hung out at the corner tavern after work and had contact with real people.
... thinking.. thinking...
They have contact with the only people that matter to them, Upper West Side and Hollywood liberal elitists. Everyone else is irrelevant.
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MandyManners Mon, Jan 12, 2009 9:11:45am |
Watch out, Mads Gilbert. Joe's on the trail after you!
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bloodnok Mon, Jan 12, 2009 9:11:51am |
re: #122 WriterMom
Does anyone else hate Roger Simon's hat?
It's a bit hack-y. He might as well have a card saying "PRESS" sticking out of the hatband.
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DeafDog Mon, Jan 12, 2009 9:12:01am |
re: #136 Nevergiveup
Madoff bail is NOT revoked.
Steal a little - go to jail.
Steal a lot - go to your pentohouse
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Occasional Reader Mon, Jan 12, 2009 9:12:20am |
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Taqiyyotomist Mon, Jan 12, 2009 9:12:21am |
re: #118 ratherdashing
Who was the old Chicago Tribune reporter (now retired or dead) that said that was what the problem was with journalism today. Bald guy. Blue collar. He said not enough reporters hung out at the corner tavern after work and had contact with real people.
... thinking.. thinking...
Mike Royko?
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kynna Mon, Jan 12, 2009 9:12:40am |
re: #120 Alouette
Sign up with a throwaway email.
Yes, this works. I usually use an address that was, at one time, registered to me, but has been dormant for so long that Yahoo won't let me access it. PJ never gives me a problem.
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jwb7605 Mon, Jan 12, 2009 9:12:42am |
re: #139 bloodnok
It's a bit hack-y. He might as well have a card saying "PRESS" sticking out of the hatband.
I always thought it was an oblique reference (deference?) to Matt Drudge.
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Sheila Broflovski Mon, Jan 12, 2009 9:13:03am |
re: #99 lawhawk
Gilbert compares Gaza to the Warsaw Ghetto. Nice. Classy. Just ignore the thousands of rockets fired by Hamas at Israel necessitating Israel's response to defend itself from genocidal terrorists. Gilbert has repeatedly sided with evil (supported the 9/11 attackers), so going and throwing support to Hamas is a step down.
Vicious Babushka also compares Gaza to the Warsaw Ghetto. (Not in the same way as Maddog Gilbert)
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subsailor68 Mon, Jan 12, 2009 9:13:08am |
I wonder what Joe the Plumber will do if someone in government "leaks"?
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Jan 12, 2009 9:13:12am |
re: #118 ratherdashing
Who was the old Chicago Tribune reporter (now retired or dead) that said that was what the problem was with journalism today. Bald guy. Blue collar. He said not enough reporters hung out at the corner tavern after work and had contact with real people.
... thinking.. thinking...
His name was Mike Royko. I always loved his columns; gutsy and honest, even when he drew the wrong conclusions. He was a great writer and the Tribune is poorer without him.
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ratherdashing Mon, Jan 12, 2009 9:13:22am |
re: #137 Leonidas Hoplite
more on Mike Royko.
Mike Royko grew up in Chicago, living in an apartment above a bar. His mother was Polish and his father Ukrainian.[1] He briefly attended Wright Junior College and then enlisted in the U. S. Air Force in 1952.[2]
On becoming a columnist, he drew experiences from his childhood, becoming the voice of the Everyman Chicago. Although caustically sarcastic, he never condescended to his readers, he always remembered he was one of them.
Royko began his newsman's career as a columnist for the Naval Air Station Glenview newspaper and the City News Bureau of Chicago before working at the Chicago Daily News as a political reporter, becoming an irritant to the City's Democratic Machine politicians with penetrating and skeptical questions and reports.
I can't think of a single columnist like him today.
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bloodnok Mon, Jan 12, 2009 9:13:39am |
re: #146 subsailor68
I wonder what Joe the Plumber will do if someone in government "leaks"?
Of Robert's Byrd's health I know not.
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alegrias Mon, Jan 12, 2009 9:13:55am |
re: #22 Killgore Trout
OT From drudge: 'Hamas salaries paid at Shifa Hospital'
Shifa Hospital is home base to Mads Gilbert and is also most likely where the faked video was shot.
* * *
The article said it was an OPEN SECRET Hamas thugs wear doctor's robes in the hospital.
This WAR CRIME is happening on & under the UN's watch. The UN is once again aiding & abetting--and FINANCING-- murderers in hospitals.
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Sheila Broflovski Mon, Jan 12, 2009 9:14:08am |
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mikalm Mon, Jan 12, 2009 9:14:28am |
Typical MSM reaction: This week, the San Francisco Bay Guardian (the Left Coast's equivalent of the Village Voice) has their "Offies" -- a lame, moonbat-flavored ripoff of Esquire's annual Dubious Achievement Awards. Featured on the Tom Tomorrow-scrawled cover, alongside Great Satans GWB and Sarah Palin, is J the P. All three are receiving the shoe-tossing treatment, which seems to have become the Left's equivalent of simian feces-flinging, albeit not as excusable or humorous.
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subsailor68 Mon, Jan 12, 2009 9:14:30am |
re: #149 bloodnok
Of Robert's Byrd's health I know not.
LOL! When it comes to old Bobby B, Joe should employ his vast experience with duct tape.
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Occasional Reader Mon, Jan 12, 2009 9:14:39am |
re: #80 Ben Hur
Note Little Miss Moonbat who tries to convince the Islamothugs that "we don't need to use violence". Of course, they blow her off. Shape of things to come. If the Islamothugs take over, moonbats, once they get done with the Jews... you're next.
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Mich-again Mon, Jan 12, 2009 9:14:48am |
re: #134 Walter L. Newton
Mads Gilbert is a lying piece of shit.
He is just pimping the Palis to promote antisemitism.
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Jan 12, 2009 9:14:55am |
re: #151 Alouette
Who does he think he is, Matt Drudge?
Who does Matt Drudge think he is, Walter Winchell?
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Big Steve Mon, Jan 12, 2009 9:15:18am |
Well Joe the Plumber in Israel made the front page of Kos....there is collective testicle retraction going on among the comments......
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CIA Reject Mon, Jan 12, 2009 9:15:21am |
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ratherdashing Mon, Jan 12, 2009 9:15:29am |
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albusteve Mon, Jan 12, 2009 9:15:54am |
re: #150 alegrias
* * *
The article said it was an OPEN SECRET Hamas thugs wear doctor's robes in the hospital.This WAR CRIME is happening on & under the UN's watch. The UN is once again aiding & abetting--and FINANCING-- murderers in hospitals.
yup and NOBODY does a thing about it....I hope the Israelis find some documentation etc
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subsailor68 Mon, Jan 12, 2009 9:16:01am |
re: #157 Big Steve
Well Joe the Plumber in Israel made the front page of Kos....there is collective testicle retraction going on among the comments......
Don't want to give them any hits...but I'm guessin' it ain't real positive?
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Ben Hur Mon, Jan 12, 2009 9:16:13am |
re: #131 Dark_Falcon
That girl in the orange vest trying to prevent violence clearly does not understand who she is talking to. She needs to wise up and join the pro-Israel side or she's going to wind up in a burqa.
Idiot leftist who doesn't realize that she is being used more than she is using them.
Note to leftist chick: They will not convert to atheism after they help you burn it all down.
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Taqiyyotomist Mon, Jan 12, 2009 9:16:29am |
re: #125 Killgore Trout
"Al-Aqsa TV Calls on Israelis "to Return to Where You Came From"
Sweet! Does that mean Al-Aqsa TV finally wants Israel to raze that ugly-ass dome that squats, as if taking a giant steaming dump, right where the beautuful Jewish temple was prior to being stolen by the Insane Thugs of Mohammad, who went there on a Dream Horse?
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MandyManners Mon, Jan 12, 2009 9:16:41am |
re: #146 subsailor68
I wonder what Joe the Plumber will do if someone in government "leaks"?
Tighten their nuts?
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yma o hyd Mon, Jan 12, 2009 9:16:53am |
re: #116 Walter L. Newton
I have to agree with the Hotair article. We need reporters that dig out the facts and reports on them.
Yes, thats what reporting ought to be about - digging out the facts.
But that is precisely what none of them do.
They take the word of any hamashole as unvarnished truth while looking for the slightest fault in the IDF reportings.
I've been enraged again today reading about the story on 'white Phosphorus' - its in the ONT below.
Why do none of the reporters ask the simple question what someone is doing, sitting outside their house, when tehre is an IAF attack on?
Same with the CNN story we've been debating over the weekend - thats the questions proper reporters ought to ask - but do they?
Do they heck!
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Big Steve Mon, Jan 12, 2009 9:17:00am |
re: #162 subsailor68
Don't want to give them any hits...but I'm guessin' it ain't real positive?
Its mostly the normal elitist stuff
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subsailor68 Mon, Jan 12, 2009 9:17:10am |
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Nevergiveup Mon, Jan 12, 2009 9:17:27am |
re: #161 albusteve
yup and NOBODY does a thing about it....I hope the Israelis find some documentation etc
Well what if they drag out some dead Hamas operatives in Doctors scrubs and put them on display like the MSM loves Hamas to do with their kids?
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bloodnok Mon, Jan 12, 2009 9:17:30am |
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Jan 12, 2009 9:17:47am |
re: #158 CIA Reject
Yes.
Actually, he certainly tries to mimic Winchell, both in dress and vocal style, and the gossip nature of his reporting. I thought this was a known factor? It was the first thing I noticed about Drudge the first time I ever saw a PR picture of him, and that was what, over 10 years ago?
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lifeofthemind Mon, Jan 12, 2009 9:18:10am |
Mad Magazines First 100 minutes of the Obama Presidency.
HT Theo Spark.
Image: 100minutes.jpg
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jwb7605 Mon, Jan 12, 2009 9:18:12am |
re: #157 Big Steve
Well Joe the Plumber in Israel made the front page of Kos....there is collective testicle retraction going on among the comments......
Their eyes are also getting glassy ... soon ... soon ...
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Nevergiveup Mon, Jan 12, 2009 9:18:16am |
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Taqiyyotomist Mon, Jan 12, 2009 9:18:19am |
But Royko didn't go to a famous Journalism School. So he's not a journalist, and shouldn't be taken seriously.
////////////spit
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Leonidas Hoplite Mon, Jan 12, 2009 9:18:42am |
re: #164 Taqiyyotomist
Sweet! Does that mean Al-Aqsa TV finally wants Israel to raze that ugly-ass dome that squats, as if taking a giant steaming dump, right where the beautuful Jewish temple was prior to being stolen by the Insane Thugs of Mohammad, who went there on a
Dream HorseMagic Pony?
Editorial license...couldn't help myself
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subsailor68 Mon, Jan 12, 2009 9:18:58am |
re: #167 Big Steve
Its mostly the normal elitist stuff
Oh. I never really thought of Kos and elite in the same sentence. Now, "bottom feeding, scum-sucking, whale turds" - that's another matter entirely.
:-)
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yma o hyd Mon, Jan 12, 2009 9:19:06am |
re: #138 MandyManners
Watch out, Mads Gilbert. Joe's on the trail after you!
Its Mr Martin who should be much more concerned right now!
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Jan 12, 2009 9:19:35am |
OT
"Disgraced financier Bernard Madoff will remain under house arrest after a federal judge in New York ruled not to revoke his bail."
CNN
They are being so mean to him.
/
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opinionated Mon, Jan 12, 2009 9:19:54am |
It may not be the worst thing in the World if an articulate person with correct thinking rises by acclaim to politics and leadership.
Certainly better then the professional political class who have no real values except their own self promotion.
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Leonidas Hoplite Mon, Jan 12, 2009 9:20:19am |
Did journalism exist before journalism schools? I have a sneaking suspicion that Benjamin Franklin didn't attend. Or Alexander Hamilton.
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Mich-again Mon, Jan 12, 2009 9:20:23am |
re: #122 WriterMom
Does anyone else hate Roger Simon's hat?
Roger and Joe show the generational divide when it comes to being bald. Older men were conditioned to hide it with a hat, a combover, or a toupee. Nowadays, its like, the heck with it, cut the rest of it off too. Who cares what anyone thinks.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Jan 12, 2009 9:20:26am |
I'm watching "The Shawshank Redemption". Who wants to bet that Warden Sam Norton is a Chicago Democrat?
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albusteve Mon, Jan 12, 2009 9:20:30am |
re: #169 Nevergiveup
Well what if they drag out some dead Hamas operatives in Doctors scrubs and put them on display like the MSM loves Hamas to do with their kids?
it's just about the biggest story of this conflict...imo
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Big Steve Mon, Jan 12, 2009 9:20:35am |
re: #174 lifeofthemind
Mad Magazines First 100 minutes of the Obama Presidency.
HT Theo Spark.
[Link: 3.bp.blogspot.com...]
That was great.....I really liked #26
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faraway Mon, Jan 12, 2009 9:20:36am |
re: #174 lifeofthemind
Mad Magazines First 100 minutes of the Obama Presidency.
HT Theo Spark.
[Link: 3.bp.blogspot.com...]
You're killing me. This is very funny.
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MandyManners Mon, Jan 12, 2009 9:20:49am |
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opinionated Mon, Jan 12, 2009 9:22:15am |
I have never seen all their damage caused by Hamas to Israeli homes on any news program?
Isn't that remarkable?
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Big Steve Mon, Jan 12, 2009 9:22:16am |
Not to go OT on you all but I saw 'Gran Torino' this weekend. It was completely awesome!
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Leonidas Hoplite Mon, Jan 12, 2009 9:22:39am |
re: #192 Big Steve
Not to go OT on you all but I saw 'Gran Torino' this weekend. It was completely awesome!
Good to hear
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sphincter Mon, Jan 12, 2009 9:22:40am |
GM is too big to fail!
Bernie Madoff is "too big" to go to jail!
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J.D. Mon, Jan 12, 2009 9:22:57am |
re: #192 Big Steve
Not to go OT on you all but I saw 'Gran Torino' this weekend. It was completely awesome!
I liked it. Beats anything else out there right now that I've seen.
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snopercod Mon, Jan 12, 2009 9:23:05am |
re: #53 lifeofthemind
You haven't met unions until you have been to Israel. Joe better not touch a plunger.
I didn't know that. Thanks.
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yma o hyd Mon, Jan 12, 2009 9:23:35am |
re: #154 Occasional Reader
Note Little Miss Moonbat who tries to convince the Islamothugs that "we don't need to use violence". Of course, they blow her off. Shape of things to come. If the Islamothugs take over, moonbats, once they get done with the Jews... you're next.
And that is something which is so totally below their horizon, they cannot even think that far.
They have so utterly succumbed to the arab propaganda - if they're told wearing a burqa is a political statement to 'free palestine', they'd do it straightaway!
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LGoPs Mon, Jan 12, 2009 9:23:38am |
re: #69 ratherdashing
This is why it's refreshing to see Joe the Plumber. He's gonna call it like he sees it without the filters installed by years of J-school indoctrination.
I'm a big believer in gifted amateurs. Having an Education Degree certainly isn't a formula for being an effective teacher - just look at the dismal state of education today. No offense to teachers but the Education bureaucracy that is responsible for our Education System certainly has made a botch of things.
I would think that the same applies to journalism.
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Occasional Reader Mon, Jan 12, 2009 9:23:44am |
re: #192 Big Steve
Not to go OT on you all but I saw 'Gran Torino' this weekend. It was completely awesome!
Really? It didn't look very promising in the trailer. (Then again, trailers seem designed to make movies look worse than they are.)
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formercorpsman Mon, Jan 12, 2009 9:23:48am |
Wow, I was surprised to see all the damage those rockets did to that house.
I was think it would make a nice round hole on the roof.
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faraway Mon, Jan 12, 2009 9:25:12am |
re: #200 formercorpsman
Wow, I was surprised to see all the damage those rockets did to that house.
I was think it would make a nice round hole on the roof.
Hey, do you think it was staged?
/
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Big Steve Mon, Jan 12, 2009 9:25:56am |
re: #199 Occasional Reader
Really? It didn't look very promising in the trailer. (Then again, trailers seem designed to make movies look worse than they are.)
The trailers try to make it out as a geezer 'Dirty Harry' which it isn't. It is far more. I don't go out to movies often and it was a long movie and I barely blinked through out the whole thing.
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bulwrk Mon, Jan 12, 2009 9:26:06am |
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formercorpsman Mon, Jan 12, 2009 9:26:42am |
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Occasional Reader Mon, Jan 12, 2009 9:27:11am |
re: #203 Big Steve
The trailers try to make it out as a geezer 'Dirty Harry' which it isn't. It is far more. I don't go out to movies often and it was a long movie and I barely blinked through out the whole thing.
I do like the bit where he's facing down the gangsters with a good ol' fashioned Garand, though.
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Jan 12, 2009 9:27:29am |
re: #205 formercorpsman
Oh yeah, the stinians don't have weapons.
They can only throw rocks.
I hope you just forgot your /sarc tag.
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wrenchwench Mon, Jan 12, 2009 9:28:12am |
It's a first for me: I can identify a reporter's tailor. Carhartt.
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Occasional Reader Mon, Jan 12, 2009 9:28:13am |
re: #202 buzzsawmonkey
Nowadays, instead of showing a film as a "coming attraction," the trailer seems designed to make the movie look like something from the trailer park.
You're saying the preview is NOT my friend?!
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subsailor68 Mon, Jan 12, 2009 9:28:18am |
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Mich-again Mon, Jan 12, 2009 9:28:24am |
Imagine the hysteria that would have ensued if it had been Geraldo or Shepard Smith filming when the alarm went off and everyone had to retreat to the bomb shelter.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Jan 12, 2009 9:28:37am |
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faraway Mon, Jan 12, 2009 9:28:42am |
This Joe video must make it outside the PJTV website.
It needs to edited into 30-60 second segments and put on YouTube.
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Catttt Mon, Jan 12, 2009 9:28:54am |
That was awesome. Joe did a better job at actually - you know - reporting - than any "pro" I've seen in recent memory. I really liked that part where he quizzed the "pros" following him around and got one reporter to say "I'm just a reporter" to explain himself in relation to why most news services show such bias against Israel.
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Jan 12, 2009 9:28:57am |
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MandyManners Mon, Jan 12, 2009 9:29:25am |
re: #174 lifeofthemind
Mad Magazines First 100 minutes of the Obama Presidency.
HT Theo Spark.
[Link: 3.bp.blogspot.com...]
My favorites:
Send note to every girl who rejected him in high school on stationery marked "Office of the President of the U.S.".
Screw with Secret Service agents by shouting out "Hey it's almost prayer time. Which way is Mecca?"
Set alarm for 3:00 a.m. in order to crank call Hillary.
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Occasional Reader Mon, Jan 12, 2009 9:29:35am |
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realwest Mon, Jan 12, 2009 9:29:47am |
re: #95 DeafDog
Ya know, Hot Air is probably right, but we've had virtually nothing but biased media reporting all the way on Israel/Hamas/Gaza. And the questions/answers Joe asked and gave were spot on.
No - he didn't go to J school, maybe that's why he can ask questions about Israeli's living under the threat of rocket attacks SO ACCURATELY. He doesn't have to worry about his "editors" forcing his words to mean something other than what he said.
AND I LIKE THE QUESTIONS/ANSWERS JOE IS ASKING AND ANSWERING.
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formercorpsman Mon, Jan 12, 2009 9:29:52am |
re: #217 buzzsawmonkey
You know it.
This is playing in the background while I type.
I am smiling so much right now. I love this guy. OMG, I love this guy.
Definite balls.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Jan 12, 2009 9:30:23am |
re: #192 Big Steve
Not to go OT on you all but I saw 'Gran Torino' this weekend. It was completely awesome!
4.5 out of 5 stars.
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kynna Mon, Jan 12, 2009 9:30:23am |
re: #213 subsailor68
It really does. And the trailer for that one does make it look interesting. For once in my life, I'd like to see a group of Jews kicking a little Nazi ass - especially since it did happen.
re: Defiance --- my hubby just watched it on a screener the other night and he said it was very good. An old fashioned, butt-kicking, action movie with a real story. No metrosexuals involved in the production, I guess. ;D
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opinionated Mon, Jan 12, 2009 9:30:24am |
Watch the video and see what Israelis have been living through for years and years. Contemplate that sudden death could come at any moment to you and/or loved ones while doing just anything of daily living. Imagine living life 24/7 with that thought.
Now try to explain Buchanan, and Carter and Brzezinski, and all the rest who have dismissed this as just a minor inconvenience as anything but the scumbag Jew haters they all are.
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formercorpsman Mon, Jan 12, 2009 9:30:31am |
re: #220 Dark_Falcon
Nah brother, blatantly obvious, IMO no sarc needed.
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realwest Mon, Jan 12, 2009 9:30:45am |
re: #182 Walter L. Newton
Uh huh. Bernie ought to be in prison with a cellmate named "Bubba".
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Mich-again Mon, Jan 12, 2009 9:31:19am |
re: #230 realwest
Uh huh. Bernie ought to be in prison with a cellmate named "Bubba".
Bill Clinton was never convicted!
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Digital Display Mon, Jan 12, 2009 9:31:21am |
re: #221 MandyManners
My favorites:
Send note to every girl who rejected him in high school on stationery marked "Office of the President of the U.S.".Screw with Secret Service agents by shouting out "Hey it's almost prayer time. Which way is Mecca?"
Set alarm for 3:00 a.m. in order to crank call Hillary.
I like the part where he sneaks out for a smoke..He is going to drive the secret service insane.
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subsailor68 Mon, Jan 12, 2009 9:31:25am |
re: #226 kynna
re: Defiance --- my hubby just watched it on a screener the other night and he said it was very good. An old fashioned, butt-kicking, action movie with a real story. No metrosexuals involved in the production, I guess. ;D
Thanks! Your hubby's review is enough to make me line up to buy a ticket.
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realwest Mon, Jan 12, 2009 9:31:27am |
re: #184 Leonidas Hoplite
Excellent comment. Truly. Thanks for that one!
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alegrias Mon, Jan 12, 2009 9:31:53am |
re: #191 opinionated
I have never seen all their damage caused by Hamas to Israeli homes on any news program?
Isn't that remarkable?
* * *
No, leftists' narratives are pre-approved by Hamas to only cover some Potemkin Baal child sacrificing villages.
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faraway Mon, Jan 12, 2009 9:32:23am |
I don't understand the biased reporting issue being discussed.
On one side is a democratic country, Israel. The other side is a terror organization, Hamas, firing thousands of rockets at women and children.
What the hell is wrong with you people?
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realwest Mon, Jan 12, 2009 9:32:33am |
re: #186 Fat Bastard Vegetarian One of the best movies ever made. And no bet from me!
Have y'all seen it before?
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96RoadKing Mon, Jan 12, 2009 9:32:33am |
re: #208 Occasional Reader
I do like the bit where he's facing down the gangsters with a good ol' fashioned Garand, though.
Saw Gran Torino this weekend with the wife. Probably the best movie (bar none) that I've seen in five years! Definately a 5 star performance. The support staff were great, and Clint's rendition of a cranky old coot was a hoot. I won't give away the story line, but the scene where he's confronting some of the 'food ladies' had me chuckling for hours.
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Killgore Trout Mon, Jan 12, 2009 9:32:48am |
Israel Steps Up Its PR Offensive.
The Israeli air force has released video which it claims shows remotely targeted bombs being directed away from civilians at the last minute. It says it proves it is trying to avoid unnecessary casualties.
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MandyManners Mon, Jan 12, 2009 9:32:58am |
Is anyone keeping track of the YouTube/LiveLeak videos or other reports of the demonstrations across the world? I would but, I don't have the space in My Favorites, and they tend to get shuffled randomly at times.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Jan 12, 2009 9:33:35am |
re: #237 realwest
I'd guess 80% of LGF has seen "The Shawshank Redemption".
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MandyManners Mon, Jan 12, 2009 9:33:36am |
re: #227 opinionated
Watch the video and see what Israelis have been living through for years and years. Contemplate that sudden death could come at any moment to you and/or loved ones while doing just anything of daily living. Imagine living life 24/7 with that thought.
Now try to explain Buchanan, and Carter and Brzezinski, and all the rest who have dismissed this as just a minor inconvenience as anything but the scumbag Jew haters they all are.
I think they know. I think they just don't care.
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Occasional Reader Mon, Jan 12, 2009 9:33:49am |
re: #213 subsailor68
It really does. And the trailer for that one does make it look interesting. For once in my life, I'd like to see a group of Jews
kicking a little Nazi assinflicting disproportionate brutal murder on outspoken German activists
(re-written for current media sensibilities)
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J.D. Mon, Jan 12, 2009 9:33:52am |
re: #241 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I'd guess 80% of LGF has seen "The Shawshank Redemption".
At least once.
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alegrias Mon, Jan 12, 2009 9:33:52am |
re: #194 sphincter
GM is too big to fail!
Bernie Madoff is "too big" to go to jail!
* * *
Guess Martha Stewart wasn't big enough in some circles; is Martha Stewart the only inside-profiteer to do time in jail? I respect that though disgraced, she did her time and she's back out there making a living & employing people again.
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formercorpsman Mon, Jan 12, 2009 9:34:14am |
re: #240 MandyManners
I think the ISM, and Iran might have a little cooperation going on.
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DeafDog Mon, Jan 12, 2009 9:34:42am |
re: #223 realwest
All true. I'd add two more points.
1. Michael Yon and Michael Totten are also not trained journalists, and have proven to be the only credible source on mid-east war reporting to date.
2. The MSM (especially the TV 'journalists') are all about how they look, IMO. They 'report' from the back and get their scoops from dishonest stringers.
BTW - I was just playing on nick-names. I was not trying to belittle Joe's accomplishment.
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realwest Mon, Jan 12, 2009 9:35:11am |
re: #194 sphincter
"Bernie Madoff is "too big" to go to jail!"
My his ass! He sure as hell belongs in jail, not in his luxury penthouse and I don't CARE how much he's cooperating - he'd a cooperated the first time he was locked in a cell with a 6'6" 280lb dude nicnamed "Bubba", trust me on that!
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LGoPs Mon, Jan 12, 2009 9:35:22am |
re: #228 Iron Fist
You are entirely correct: these are the stories the media should be doing. Unfortunately, they don't happen to help the side that the MSM is on. So the MSM doesn't give them any play. A "scoop" doesn't matter as much as making sure the right side gets their propaganda out.
And the "wrong" side is properly suppressed.
The media can do as much damage, if not more, by what they suppress as opposed to what they do present.
They have the power to set the agenda on what is and is not discussed and that is a powerful and dangerous tool in the hands of idealogues. Their idealogy has no business being in the news business....period.
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MandyManners Mon, Jan 12, 2009 9:35:46am |
re: #232 HoosierHoops
I like the part where he sneaks out for a smoke..He is going to drive the secret service insane.
Why not just install a vent?! I know no one else is allowed to smoke on federal property but, this guy's gonna' be stressed to the max at times and needs to have his concentration focused.
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MandyManners Mon, Jan 12, 2009 9:36:19am |
re: #236 faraway
I don't understand the biased reporting issue being discussed.
On one side is a democratic country, Israel. The other side is a terror organization, Hamas, firing thousands of rockets at women and children.
What the hell is wrong with you people?
With us?
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faraway Mon, Jan 12, 2009 9:36:20am |
Joe better be careful out there.
Some very dangerous folks are going to be after him now.
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opinionated Mon, Jan 12, 2009 9:36:26am |
re: #242 MandyManners
I think they do care. I believe all three I cited -and those like them- take pleasure in Jewish suffering. And outrage at Jewish response.
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formercorpsman Mon, Jan 12, 2009 9:36:39am |
re: #251 MandyManners
You know I have not given much thought to his smoking. Just never one of the issues for me.
But, you make a good point.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Jan 12, 2009 9:37:05am |
re: #251 MandyManners
Can't imagine not being able to smoke as President.
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Dustyvet Mon, Jan 12, 2009 9:37:10am |
re: #9 Kyle_st
This guy is so far superior to the MSM, their toes must be curling in their shoes something fierce!
Things have got so bad with the credability of the mainstream MSM, that we now have to depend on Roto-Rooter for fair and balanced news? Go figure.
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stevieray Mon, Jan 12, 2009 9:37:13am |
re: #248 realwest
"Bernie Madoff is "too big" to go to jail!"
Myhis ass! He sure as hell belongs in jail, not in his luxury penthouse and I don't CARE how much he's cooperating - he'd a cooperated the first time he was locked in a cell with a 6'6" 280lb dude nicnamed "Bubba", trust me on that!
Revoke his bail, and throw his thievin' ass in jail.
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MandyManners Mon, Jan 12, 2009 9:37:14am |
re: #241 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I'd guess 80% of LGF has seen "The Shawshank Redemption".
I couldn't make it throught the whole thing.
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Taqiyyotomist Mon, Jan 12, 2009 9:37:18am |
I was on a UK news site thread a couple days ago, I think it was an article about the mob violence in London, and many UK/Brit commenters were saying things like "Why won't our government DO anything? O Noes! Why O why?"
I didn't have time, but I thought, "Why don't YOU do something? There comes a time, when the schoolteacher won't stop the bullies from beating you up, and it's obvious that she won't, that she has no inclination to, and even that she is enabling and encouraging the bullies, a time when you must say I WILL DEFEND MY NATION, MY CITY, MY BLOCK, MY HOME."
Many will just curl up into a ball and let the bullies (and the teacher) do whatever harm they wish, all the while whining that the teacher won't do anything. It seems that aside from Israel, the whole of the civilized world is curling up into a ball and whining that their leaders won't DO something.
Subversive thought for the day. I live in a relatively small town, but if pro-pally demonstrators or riotous morons of any other stripe decided that breaking all the windows on Main Street was a plan, I would hope that the men of this town would DO SOMETHING. And not just whine anonymously on some website about the town's government not doing anything.
Where are the men?
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Hard Right Mon, Jan 12, 2009 9:37:26am |
re: #209 Dark_Falcon
I hope you just forgot your /sarc tag.
Safe bet that he did. The left has said that very thing tho.
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Digital Display Mon, Jan 12, 2009 9:37:34am |
re: #251 MandyManners
Why not just install a vent?! I know no one else is allowed to smoke on federal property but, this guy's gonna' be stressed to the max at times and needs to have his concentration focused.
I have a feeling his private bathroom is going to stink from cigs..and whatever else he smokes in there.
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faraway Mon, Jan 12, 2009 9:37:37am |
re: #252 MandyManners
With us?
Not you MM.
Just the people that have a problem with Joe not trying to be objective concerning Hamas.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Jan 12, 2009 9:37:39am |
re: #259 MandyManners
You cannot be serious? Why not?
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realwest Mon, Jan 12, 2009 9:38:03am |
re: #236 faraway
What's wrong with them is that they are on the side of Hamas - murderous scumbags and they're on that side because they are Anti-Semitic assholes.
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subsailor68 Mon, Jan 12, 2009 9:38:19am |
re: #251 MandyManners
Why not just install a vent?! I know no one else is allowed to smoke on federal property but, this guy's gonna' be stressed to the max at times and needs to have his concentration focused.
But if they install a vent, won't Obama and McCain use it to tunnel under the Smithsonian?
(South Park reference)
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Mich-again Mon, Jan 12, 2009 9:38:32am |
re: #251 MandyManners
The new age Marlboro Man. He ditches the denim for a Burberry suit.
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MandyManners Mon, Jan 12, 2009 9:38:45am |
re: #254 opinionated
I think they do care. I believe all three I cited -and those like them- take pleasure in Jewish suffering. And outrage at Jewish response.
I meant that they don't care that Jews are targeted.
What's Brzezinski's background? Parents' politics back in the old country?
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MandyManners Mon, Jan 12, 2009 9:39:18am |
re: #254 opinionated
I think they do care. I believe all three I cited -and those like them- take pleasure in Jewish suffering. And outrage at Jewish response.
I meant that they don't care that Jews are targeted.
What's Brzezinski's background? Parents' politics back in the old country?
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Jan 12, 2009 9:39:20am |
re: #229 formercorpsman
Nah brother, blatantly obvious, IMO no sarc needed.
Sorry, friend. One never knows when a troll will burst in spouting lies. It kinds of puts me on edge. You are no troll, and I should have remembered that.
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faraway Mon, Jan 12, 2009 9:39:34am |
re: #262 HoosierHoops
I have a feeling his private bathroom is going to stink from cigs..and whatever else he smokes in there.
I wonder if the Secret Service has a duty to squeal on their President if he puffed some weed or snorted a little blow?
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Occasional Reader Mon, Jan 12, 2009 9:39:48am |
re: #241 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I'd guess 80% of LGF has seen "The Shawshank Redemption".
Yep. Even read the novella, way back when ("Rita Hayworth and the Shawshank Redemption") before the movie was dreamt up. Stephen King: Gifted writer, 100% moonbat, unfortunately.
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MandyManners Mon, Jan 12, 2009 9:39:55am |
re: #255 formercorpsman
You know I have not given much thought to his smoking. Just never one of the issues for me.
But, you make a good point.
I'm sure it's not great on a stressed body but, neither is withdrawl.
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MandyManners Mon, Jan 12, 2009 9:40:14am |
re: #256 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Can't imagine not being able to smoke as President.
It's illegal in a federal building.
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MandyManners Mon, Jan 12, 2009 9:40:44am |
re: #258 stevieray
Revoke his bail, and throw his thievin' ass in jail.
On what grounds? You just can't revoke bail for the helluva' it.
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Digital Display Mon, Jan 12, 2009 9:40:52am |
re: #273 faraway
I wonder if the Secret Service has a duty to squeal on their President if he puffed some weed or snorted a little blow?
He could always pardon himself..
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opinionated Mon, Jan 12, 2009 9:41:07am |
re: #236 faraway
Something much more serious then just bias reporting occurred last week when the Bush Administration abstained and allowed a very biased anti Israel resolution to pass the Security Counsel.
With Obama following Bush, and if as expected he widens a door Bush/Rice opened, history may record that this was the moment when American support for Israel changed directions.
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Mich-again Mon, Jan 12, 2009 9:41:25am |
re: #278 MandyManners
It's illegal in a federal building.
What about in the Little Tikes playhouse in the Rose Garden?
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Occasional Reader Mon, Jan 12, 2009 9:41:26am |
re: #269 Iron Fist
Blow her off? What'd they use, Semtex or C-4?
Nah, they'd more likely bury her up to her waist, then stone her to death. Preferred method for evil, alluring XX chromosome carriers, among this lot.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Jan 12, 2009 9:41:26am |
re: #278 MandyManners
It's illegal in a federal building.
"I'm the President. I'm M'Fing King Kong!"
(best Denzel Washington impersonation)
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MandyManners Mon, Jan 12, 2009 9:41:38am |
re: #260 Taqiyyotomist
I was on a UK news site thread a couple days ago, I think it was an article about the mob violence in London, and many UK/Brit commenters were saying things like "Why won't our government DO anything? O Noes! Why O why?"
I didn't have time, but I thought, "Why don't YOU do something? There comes a time, when the schoolteacher won't stop the bullies from beating you up, and it's obvious that she won't, that she has no inclination to, and even that she is enabling and encouraging the bullies, a time when you must say I WILL DEFEND MY NATION, MY CITY, MY BLOCK, MY HOME."
Many will just curl up into a ball and let the bullies (and the teacher) do whatever harm they wish, all the while whining that the teacher won't do anything. It seems that aside from Israel, the whole of the civilized world is curling up into a ball and whining that their leaders won't DO something.
Subversive thought for the day. I live in a relatively small town, but if pro-pally demonstrators or riotous morons of any other stripe decided that breaking all the windows on Main Street was a plan, I would hope that the men of this town would DO SOMETHING. And not just whine anonymously on some website about the town's government not doing anything.
Where are the men?
Why just men?
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Taqiyyotomist Mon, Jan 12, 2009 9:42:20am |
"The Israeli air force has released video which it claims shows remotely targeted bombs being directed away from civilians at the last minute. It says it proves it is trying to avoid unnecessary casualties."
Who the hell wrote that caption? Both instances of "it says" are editorial and completely unnecessary clauses. Also completely according to AP/Reuters/AFP template. The paragraph (in my unschooled opinion) should read:
"The Israeli air force has released video which shows remotely targeted bombs being directed away from civilians at the last minute. [The video] proves it is trying to avoid unnecessary casualties."
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Aunt Bea Mon, Jan 12, 2009 9:42:21am |
re: #89 Killgore Trout
Any normal person would be shielding the body from the camera not waving it around like a prize to advance their own agenda. Got give the them credit...they are a people unlike any other.///
Greetings all! I am new here. Registered Friday but didn't get back to the computer until this morning (I live in the sticks and don't have internet at home).
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Big Steve Mon, Jan 12, 2009 9:42:28am |
re: #273 faraway
I wonder if the Secret Service has a duty to squeal on their President if he puffed some weed or snorted a little blow?
Seriously.....no. The Secret Service has regulations that actually require that they cannot report crimes committed by those they protect. However, they can get subpoenaed after the fact.
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lawhawk Mon, Jan 12, 2009 9:42:37am |
I'm beginning to think that Israel needs to change the name of Operation Cast Lead to something with a bit more zip.
I therefore humbly suggest Operation Hamas to Humus!
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subsailor68 Mon, Jan 12, 2009 9:42:42am |
re: #286 MandyManners
Why just men?
Yep. In the town where I live, almost as many women as men have concealed carry permits. It's a peaceful little place.
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MandyManners Mon, Jan 12, 2009 9:42:45am |
re: #262 HoosierHoops
I have a feeling his private bathroom is going to stink from cigs..and whatever else he smokes in there.
I'd rather he be able to do it at his desk. (I cannot believe I'm sticking up for CBBHO but, I'm doing it for him as the president.)
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formercorpsman Mon, Jan 12, 2009 9:42:48am |
re: #273 faraway
You know damn well, all those folks the Clintons sold the Lincoln bedroom out to, at least half of them were in there smoking blunts, spilling Doritos, and having group sex.
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faraway Mon, Jan 12, 2009 9:43:06am |
OT for hamster flogger: LGF is not running so great yesterday and today. I get the spinning icon 24/7. "transferring data from LGF"
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Jan 12, 2009 9:43:17am |
re: #291 subsailor68
Low incidence of rape and spousal abuse, I bet.
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realwest Mon, Jan 12, 2009 9:43:17am |
re: #278 MandyManners
Ah, he can smoke on the covered veranda in back of the oval office - and he won't be the first to do that (with tobacco, I mean).
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alegrias Mon, Jan 12, 2009 9:43:29am |
re: #219 Catttt
That was awesome. Joe did a better job at actually - you know - reporting - than any "pro" I've seen in recent memory. I really liked that part where he quizzed the "pros" following him around and got one reporter to say "I'm just a reporter" to explain himself in relation to why most news services show such bias against Israel.
* * *
Joe the Plumber Wurzelbacher has GUTS. As we've noted, "reporters" generally don't.
Joe is the real David to the MSM proBaalestinian Goliath.
It WAS Joe the plumber who had guts enough to question the One.
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stevieray Mon, Jan 12, 2009 9:43:32am |
re: #280 MandyManners
On what grounds? You just can't revoke bail for the helluva' it.
Hiding assets right up until the collapse, and hiding the fact that he was hiding assets.
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faraway Mon, Jan 12, 2009 9:43:47am |
re: #289 Big Steve
Seriously.....no. The Secret Service has regulations that actually require that they cannot report crimes committed by those they protect. However, they can get subpoenaed after the fact.
I'm sure they could go to the NYT and tell them.
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MandyManners Mon, Jan 12, 2009 9:43:57am |
re: #263 faraway
Not you MM.
Just the people that have a problem with Joe not trying to be objective concerning Hamas.
I laughed out loud when he confronted the Israeli Reuters reporter. "Do you believe Israel has a right to defend itself? Have you said so?" "I'm a reporter."
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Nevergiveup Mon, Jan 12, 2009 9:44:01am |
re: #282 opinionated
Something much more serious then just bias reporting occurred last week when the Bush Administration abstained and allowed a very biased anti Israel resolution to pass the Security Counsel.
With Obama following Bush, and if as expected he widens a door Bush/Rice opened, history may record that this was the moment when American support for Israel changed directions.
I would have rather the Bush Admin had vetoed it, but it was NON Binding, so no harm no foul.
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MandyManners Mon, Jan 12, 2009 9:44:17am |
re: #266 subsailor68
But if they install a vent, won't Obama and McCain use it to tunnel under the Smithsonian?
(South Park reference)
*over my head*
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Big Steve Mon, Jan 12, 2009 9:44:18am |
re: #295 faraway
OT for hamster flogger: LGF is not running so great yesterday and today. I get the spinning icon 24/7. "transferring data from LGF"
must be on your end.....running fine, if not a little faster than normal for me.
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Digital Display Mon, Jan 12, 2009 9:44:20am |
re: #288 Aunt Bea
Any normal person would be shielding the body from the camera not waving it around like a prize to advance their own agenda. Got give the them credit...they are a people unlike any other.///
Greetings all! I am new here. Registered Friday but didn't get back to the computer until this morning (I live in the sticks and don't have internet at home).
Greetings Auntie.. I gave you a welcome upding...
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realwest Mon, Jan 12, 2009 9:44:27am |
re: #280 MandyManners
Bail is granted only when there is no real risk of flight.
Since we still don't know where BILLIONS of Bernie's bucks are, I'd say lock his ass up.
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faraway Mon, Jan 12, 2009 9:44:29am |
re: #290 lawhawk
I'm beginning to think that Israel needs to change the name of Operation Cast Lead to something with a bit more zip.
I therefore humbly suggest Operation Hamas to Humus!
Operation BBQ Hamass
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MandyManners Mon, Jan 12, 2009 9:44:54am |
re: #267 Mich-again
The new age Marlboro Man. He ditches the denim for a Burberry suit.
And rides a bike with a low rear tire?
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jwb7605 Mon, Jan 12, 2009 9:45:05am |
re: #286 MandyManners
Why just men?
I've seen several British newspaper articles where the person (usually male) was charged and convicted for defending themselves, their property, or -- in the most egregious case -- their spouse.
In this last case, the judge actually suggested (before pronouncing sentence) that the man should "just have walked away".
/Let's change the topic and discuss the Good Samaritan law, OK?
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subsailor68 Mon, Jan 12, 2009 9:45:06am |
re: #296 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Low incidence of rape and spousal abuse, I bet.
Oh, very, very low. Kinda cool, the paper used to report crimes using the term "unknown actor" - as in (one of the bigger ones) - "an unknown actor broke into a house yesterday, and stole a pot roast and a boot scraper."
The horror! The horror!
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MandyManners Mon, Jan 12, 2009 9:45:37am |
re: #273 faraway
I wonder if the Secret Service has a duty to squeal on their President if he puffed some weed or snorted a little blow?
Whom would they tell?
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mean Gene Mon, Jan 12, 2009 9:45:40am |
I'd love to see Joe do a piece on the waving of the white flags out of all those Gaza windows last night.
Between 2 and 3 AM Pacific we watched as one person on a roof waved a white flag, then another one on another roof, then off of balconies, then everywhere.
Every other window had a white sheet or pillowcase flying in it.
Muslims only respect the ''strong horse.''
Hamas has lost that label.
Israel must finish them while they are down.
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CIA Reject Mon, Jan 12, 2009 9:46:09am |
re: #171 Walter L. Newton
Actually, he certainly tries to mimic Winchell, both in dress and vocal style, and the gossip nature of his reporting. I thought this was a known factor? It was the first thing I noticed about Drudge the first time I ever saw a PR picture of him, and that was what, over 10 years ago?
Yup- that was my impression of him the first time I saw him too.
Couldn't really take him seriously after that...
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realwest Mon, Jan 12, 2009 9:46:10am |
re: #293 formercorpsman
Group sex? With Hillary at home - nope, no way!
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Catttt Mon, Jan 12, 2009 9:46:10am |
re: #276 Occasional Reader
Yep. Even read the novella, way back when ("Rita Hayworth and the Shawshank Redemption") before the movie was dreamt up. Stephen King: Gifted writer, 100% moonbat, unfortunately.
Agreed. Great book. This is one movie I saw also - I often read the book but miss the flick.
I read pretty much all of Mr. King's books up through The Green Mile, when it was released all-in-one volume.
It's fun to find other people who read.
Did you ever read the story where aliens are masquerading as humans, and only those people who stand outside and smoke (apx 10 cigs a day) can see them? I loved that one.
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Occasional Reader Mon, Jan 12, 2009 9:46:15am |
re: #267 Mich-again
The new age Marlboro Man. He ditches the denim for a Burberry suit.
I thought I heard he was going to have to give up his Burberry?
(Oh, it was "Blackberry"... never mind)
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MandyManners Mon, Jan 12, 2009 9:46:20am |
re: #283 Mich-again
What about in the Little Tikes playhouse in the Rose Garden?
Isn't that on federal property, ergo a federal building?
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Golem Akbar Mon, Jan 12, 2009 9:46:43am |
re: #241 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I'd guess 80% of LGF has seen "The Shawshank Redemption".
It's 82.673%
/These are actual statistics, and they don't lie.
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opnion Mon, Jan 12, 2009 9:46:44am |
re: #293 formercorpsman
You know damn well, all those folks the Clintons sold the Lincoln bedroom out to, at least half of them were in there smoking blunts, spilling Doritos, and having group sex.
Didn't Clinton get high with Willie Nelson, or was that just Willie at the White House gettin stoned by himself? Anybody remember?
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realwest Mon, Jan 12, 2009 9:46:49am |
re: #295 faraway
Haven't had any problems at all - what browser are you using?
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bulwrk Mon, Jan 12, 2009 9:46:53am |
re: #273 faraway
I wonder if the Secret Service has a duty to squeal on their President if he puffed some weed or snorted a little blow?
I think Bill Clinton probably lowered the bar.
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alegrias Mon, Jan 12, 2009 9:46:54am |
re: #223 realwest
Ya know, Hot Air is probably right, but we've had virtually nothing but biased media reporting all the way on Israel/Hamas/Gaza. And the questions/answers Joe asked and gave were spot on.
No - he didn't go to J school, maybe that's why he can ask questions about Israeli's living under the threat of rocket attacks SO ACCURATELY. He doesn't have to worry about his "editors" forcing his words to mean something other than what he said.
AND I LIKE THE QUESTIONS/ANSWERS JOE IS ASKING AND ANSWERING.
* * *
Hi, Sir Real.
In which branch of the military do you think Joe the Plumber Wurzelbacher served? Wiki pedia didn't say.
I am grateful to his service, and continuing service, to our country & peace & liberty loving people everywhere!
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LGoPs Mon, Jan 12, 2009 9:46:55am |
re: #292 MandyManners
I'd rather he be able to do it at his desk. (I cannot believe I'm sticking up for CBBHO but, I'm doing it for him as the president.)
I agree and I'll defend him too. I'm an ex-smoker but I can't stand the cigarette nazis. They've gone way overboard in their cause. CA is even considering a law banning smoking outdoors, in LA, I believe I heard.
If they do succeed in stamping out smoking then they'll start caterwauling about all the lost tax revenue.........
A big bunch of busy bodies.....
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subsailor68 Mon, Jan 12, 2009 9:47:01am |
re: #303 MandyManners
*over my head*
Oops, sorry. Just after the election South Park did an episode where McCain's poor performance was just a ruse so he and Obama (working together) could tunnel from the Oval Office to the Smithsonian and steal the Hope diamond. (Cindy and Michelle were also involved.) Think Ocean's 11.
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MandyManners Mon, Jan 12, 2009 9:47:26am |
re: #297 realwest
Ah, he can smoke on the covered veranda in back of the oval office - and he won't be the first to do that (with tobacco, I mean).
What if he's on the phone or needs to be seated at his desk?
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Occasional Reader Mon, Jan 12, 2009 9:47:36am |
re: #316 Catttt
Did you ever read the story where aliens are masquerading as humans, and only those people who stand outside and smoke (apx 10 cigs a day) can see them? I loved that one.
Nope, but I can't wait until it's made into a movie. "Rowdy" Roddy Piper pummeling some guy while roaring "LIGHT... UP... THE CIGARETTE!"
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formercorpsman Mon, Jan 12, 2009 9:47:37am |
re: #315 realwest
You know, I will quit right now.
This could take a really bad turn.
Yeah,,,,, pretty much /:O
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Opinionated Mon, Jan 12, 2009 9:47:44am |
re: #302 Nevergiveup
I would have rather the Bush Admin had vetoed it, but it was NON Binding, so no harm no foul.
Want to bet? Did you know that Olmert called Bush and begged him to veto it, and Bush refused.
Israel understand that Pandora's box it opens up. It gives Obama/Cinton license to do worse.
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apachegunner Mon, Jan 12, 2009 9:47:52am |
re: #118 ratherdashing
Who was the old Chicago Tribune reporter (now retired or dead) that said that was what the problem was with journalism today. Bald guy. Blue collar. He said not enough reporters hung out at the corner tavern after work and had contact with real people.
... thinking.. thinking...
methinks he was thinking of "BillyGoats Tavern" on the Columbus Drive besides the river. Mike Oroyo comes to mind. Chicago lizards?
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opnion Mon, Jan 12, 2009 9:47:58am |
re: #308 MandyManners
And rides a bike with a low rear tire?
Yeah, but he gets his freak on with the SOX hat all gangsta backward.
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realwest Mon, Jan 12, 2009 9:48:06am |
re: #314 CIA Reject
Yeah, but give Drudge the props for breaking the Monica Lewinsky story. Hat or no hat.
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Golem Akbar Mon, Jan 12, 2009 9:48:28am |
re: #321 opnion
Didn't Clinton get high with Willie Nelson, or was that just Willie at the White House gettin stoned by himself? Anybody remember?
I have no memory of that or the 80's, either.
[I was too busy getting high, or so I've been told...]
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Hard Right Mon, Jan 12, 2009 9:48:31am |
re: #316 Catttt
Agreed. Great book. This is one movie I saw also - I often read the book but miss the flick.
I read pretty much all of Mr. King's books up through The Green Mile, when it was released all-in-one volume.
It's fun to find other people who read.
Did you ever read the story where aliens are masquerading as humans, and only those people who stand outside and smoke (apx 10 cigs a day) can see them? I loved that one.
They Live.
South Park Even did a fight scene that matched the one in the movie.
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formercorpsman Mon, Jan 12, 2009 9:48:31am |
re: #321 opnion
Don't recall, but nothing would surprise me under the circumstances.
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Aye Pod Mon, Jan 12, 2009 9:48:33am |
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Son of the Black Dog Mon, Jan 12, 2009 9:48:38am |
re: #214 Mich-again
Imagine the hysteria that would have ensued if it had been Geraldo or Shepard Smith filming when the alarm went off and everyone had to retreat to the bomb shelter.
Yeah, but Geraldo would attempt to join the counter battery fire team, and thereby give away their position. Shep would just wet himself and start blubbering.
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Taqiyyotomist Mon, Jan 12, 2009 9:48:38am |
re: #273 faraway
I wonder if the Secret Service has a duty to squeal on their President if he puffed some weed or snorted a little blow?
Secret Service (and State Police) who squeal on their high-profile Democrat bosses, or who are even in a position where they MIGHT be able to squeal, usually end up missing or dead of "natural causes". Nobody's gonna see nothin', see?
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Jan 12, 2009 9:48:42am |
re: #327 MandyManners
I'm a smoker. I'd need a smoke every 10 minutes if I were POTUS. Now, I just need one an hour or so.
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Kelidor Mon, Jan 12, 2009 9:48:55am |
Friends,
Talking of Joe.....Anyone who follows the Middle East in the UK, will know of Melanie Phillips, a courageous award winning Jewish journalist who is perhaps Israel's most vocal and articulate supporter there. She has braved death threats from Islamic extremists and ongoing and blatant antisemitism from detractors in the UK media. She flinches not.
Melanie's blog site is a finalist in the worldwide weblogs awards for the best UK blog site.
[Link: 2008.weblogawards.org...]
If you know her site or know her work (see sample below) and feel you can vote for her, please do so.
And if not read her stuff, and if you feel inclined then please vote for her.
[Link: www.spectator.co.uk...]
Thanks and if you are sympatico PLEASE PASS THIS ON.
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Kenneth Mon, Jan 12, 2009 9:49:05am |
re: #268 MandyManners
Zbigniew Brzezinski was born in Warsaw, Poland, in 1928. His family had moved from Brzeżany in Galicia. This town is given as the source of his surname. His father was Tadeusz Brzeziński, a Polish diplomat who was posted to Germany from 1931 to 1935; Zbigniew Brzezinski thus spent some of his earliest years witnessing the rise of the Nazis. From 1936 to 1938, Tadeusz Brzeziński was posted to the Soviet Union during Stalin's Great Purge.In 1938, Tadeusz Brzeziński was posted to Canada. In 1939, the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact was agreed to by Nazi Germany and the Soviet Union; subsequently the two powers invaded Poland. The 1945 Yalta Conference between the Allies allotted Poland to the Soviet sphere of influence, meaning Brzezinski's family could not safely return to their country.
After attending prep school in Montreal, [5] Brzezinski entered McGill University in 1945 to obtain both his BA and MA degrees (received in 1949 and 1950 respectively). His Master's thesis focused on the various nationalities within the Soviet Union.[6] Brzezinski's plan for doing further studies in Great Britain in preparation for a diplomatic career in Canada fell through, principally because he was ruled ineligible for a scholarship he had won that was only open to persons with British subject status. Brzezinski then went on to attend Harvard University in the United States to work on a PhD, focusing on the Soviet Union and the relationship between the October Revolution, Lenin's state, and the actions of Stalin. He received his doctorate in 1953; the same year, he traveled to Munich and met Jan Nowak-Jezioranski, head of the Polish desk of Radio Free Europe. He later collaborated with Carl J. Friedrich to develop the concept of totalitarianism and apply it to the Soviets in 1956.
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MandyManners Mon, Jan 12, 2009 9:49:05am |
re: #299 stevieray
Hiding assets right up until the collapse, and hiding the fact that he was hiding assets.
Revocation of bail happens after the terms of the bail conditions have been violated. Has he hidden assets after bail was posted?
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faraway Mon, Jan 12, 2009 9:49:08am |
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Dustyvet Mon, Jan 12, 2009 9:49:14am |
re: #315 realwest
Group sex? With Hillary at home - nope, no way!
Would that be a two bagger or a coyote?...:)
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subsailor68 Mon, Jan 12, 2009 9:49:25am |
re: #341 buzzsawmonkey
That was the real meaning of "Hope and Change"; the Hope Diamond changing hands.
LOL! Brilliant!
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realwest Mon, Jan 12, 2009 9:49:33am |
re: #273 faraway
I wonder if the Secret Service has a duty to squeal on their President if he puffed some weed or snorted a little blow?
NO. Their only duty is to protect the POTUS - whatever he says or does is absolutely confidential with them.
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Kragar Mon, Jan 12, 2009 9:49:43am |
re: #316 Catttt
Agreed. Great book. This is one movie I saw also - I often read the book but miss the flick.
I read pretty much all of Mr. King's books up through The Green Mile, when it was released all-in-one volume.
It's fun to find other people who read.
Did you ever read the story where aliens are masquerading as humans, and only those people who stand outside and smoke (apx 10 cigs a day) can see them? I loved that one.
Think that was "The 3 o'clock people". I still like the Mist (not the movie) and Needful Things.
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scottishbuzzsaw Mon, Jan 12, 2009 9:49:46am |
re: #288 Aunt Bea
Any normal person would be shielding the body from the camera not waving it around like a prize to advance their own agenda. Got give the them credit...they are a people unlike any other.///
Greetings all! I am new here. Registered Friday but didn't get back to the computer until this morning (I live in the sticks and don't have internet at home).
Hello, Aunt Bea...
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Jan 12, 2009 9:49:56am |
re: #310 jwb7605
I've seen several British newspaper articles where the person (usually male) was charged and convicted for defending themselves, their property, or -- in the most egregious case -- their spouse.
In this last case, the judge actually suggested (before pronouncing sentence) that the man should "just have walked away".
/Let's change the topic and discuss the Good Samaritan law, OK?
He's right. Britain really does not recognize self-defense anymore. Which is moral equivalence gone insane. There have been moves to correct this state of affairs but they have faltered and I know not why.
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Kosh's Shadow Mon, Jan 12, 2009 9:49:59am |
re: #321 opnion
Didn't Clinton get high with Willie Nelson, or was that just Willie at the White House gettin stoned by himself? Anybody remember?
We know Bubba never inhaled. Holding his breath so long must have caused the brain damage.
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CIA Reject Mon, Jan 12, 2009 9:50:02am |
re: #278 MandyManners
It's illegal in a federal building.
I'm pretty sure having sex during working hours in a federal building is illegal too, but that never stopped Bill Clinton...
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MandyManners Mon, Jan 12, 2009 9:50:07am |
re: #306 realwest
Bail is granted only when there is no real risk of flight.
Since we still don't know where BILLIONS of Bernie's bucks are, I'd say lock his ass up.
He's under house arrest. Doesn't he have an ankle monitor? Hasn't his passport been revoked?
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Texas Heathen Mon, Jan 12, 2009 9:50:18am |
re: #273 faraway
I wonder if the Secret Service has a duty to squeal on their President if he puffed some weed or snorted a little blow?
I don't think so. Clinton obviously did coke and we never heard about that. I say that because his nose was always red and every time I saw him my first thought was that he had just done a couple lines.
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opnion Mon, Jan 12, 2009 9:50:26am |
re: #334 Golem Akbar
I have no memory of that or the 80's, either.
[I was too busy getting high, or so I've been told...]
If you can remember you weren't there.
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wrenchwench Mon, Jan 12, 2009 9:50:31am |
The MSM is dying. Their replacement is not ready for primetime yet. If it helps Pajamas Media to have people register to view a video, I think it is a small price to pay.
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Hard Right Mon, Jan 12, 2009 9:50:39am |
re: #350 Kragar (proud to be kafir)
Think that was "The 3 o'clock people". I still like the Mist (not the movie) and Needful Things.
The Mist was good. Not happy, but good.
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formercorpsman Mon, Jan 12, 2009 9:51:16am |
re: #337 Jimmah
OOOOOHH,, he's gay?
and he climbed a mountain?
MMMMMM......MSM......is there anything they can't do?
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realwest Mon, Jan 12, 2009 9:51:20am |
re: #324 alegrias
Sir Real?! or Surreal?! LOL! I haven't got a clue - didn't even know he served in the military but if he did my guess would be in the Army (largest branch of all the services).
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Kragar Mon, Jan 12, 2009 9:51:27am |
re: #359 Hard Right
The Mist was good. Not happy, but good.
The print version was still much better.
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MandyManners Mon, Jan 12, 2009 9:51:53am |
re: #325 LGoPs
I agree and I'll defend him too. I'm an ex-smoker but I can't stand the cigarette nazis. They've gone way overboard in their cause. CA is even considering a law banning smoking outdoors, in LA, I believe I heard.
If they do succeed in stamping out smoking then they'll start caterwauling about all the lost tax revenue.........
A big bunch of busy bodies.....
When are they gonna' slamming all the chardonnay slurpers?
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Hard Right Mon, Jan 12, 2009 9:51:56am |
re: #363 Kragar (proud to be kafir)
The print version was still much better.
But, but....that would involve reading.
//////////
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Nevergiveup Mon, Jan 12, 2009 9:52:07am |
re: #330 Opinionated
Want to bet? Did you know that Olmert called Bush and begged him to veto it, and Bush refused.
Israel understand that Pandora's box it opens up. It gives Obama/Cinton license to do worse.
I understand what you are saying but really in the scheme of things, it's not the end of the world. The US has abstained or even went along with the others on other "mild" non-binding resolutions.
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wahabicorridor Mon, Jan 12, 2009 9:52:09am |
re: #280 MandyManners
On what grounds? You just can't revoke bail for the helluva' it.
I think the question is whether or not mailing the jewelry was a violation of his bail (and I don't know the legally correct answer).
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alegrias Mon, Jan 12, 2009 9:52:11am |
re: #266 subsailor68
But if they install a vent, won't Obama and McCain use it to tunnel under the Smithsonian?
(South Park reference)
* * *
There already IS a pedestrian tunnel under the Smithsonian Castle--for staff--it goes straight north under the Mall and to the Museum of Natural History.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Jan 12, 2009 9:52:25am |
re: #345 MandyManners
Revocation of bail happens after the terms of the bail conditions have been violated. Has he hidden assets after bail was posted?
Saw a report a couple of weeks ago, sent some watches and jewelry to sons to hide.
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Digital Display Mon, Jan 12, 2009 9:52:30am |
re: #356 Texas Heathen
I don't think so. Clinton obviously did coke and we never heard about that. I say that because his nose was always red and every time I saw him my first thought was that he had just done a couple lines.
He had to do blow before his state of the unions speeches..That man would talk and talk and talk.
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Occasional Reader Mon, Jan 12, 2009 9:52:32am |
re: #321 opnion
Didn't Clinton get high with Willie Nelson, or was that just Willie at the White House gettin stoned by himself? Anybody remember?
The official story is that Willie Nelson got high by himself. Snuck to the rooftop, or a stairwell... something like that.
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MandyManners Mon, Jan 12, 2009 9:52:43am |
re: #326 subsailor68
Oops, sorry. Just after the election South Park did an episode where McCain's poor performance was just a ruse so he and Obama (working together) could tunnel from the Oval Office to the Smithsonian and steal the Hope diamond. (Cindy and Michelle were also involved.) Think Ocean's 11.
I need to start smoking pot again and watching.
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wiffersnapper Mon, Jan 12, 2009 9:52:47am |
Damn Joe already has more Middle East experience than obiden combined, and it's been 2 days!
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CIA Reject Mon, Jan 12, 2009 9:53:07am |
re: #333 realwest
Yeah, but give Drudge the props for breaking the Monica Lewinsky story. Hat or no hat.
I'll credit him with that, but he's still an affectacious goofball.
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MJBrutus Mon, Jan 12, 2009 9:53:26am |
Is it just me, or does anyone else think this JTP thing has gotten out of hand.
I mean, he's a decent guy and all that, but he's no rocket scientist. He does have a grasp of the obvious, which is certainly more than one can say of his "peers" in the press corps, but that's a rather low bar after all. Basically, he arrived on the scene not so much for anything he did or said, but because he elicited a bit of truth from the O, in one of his few unguarded moments.
I can't say that I'm real psyched about the myths and legends that are growing up around this guy.
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MandyManners Mon, Jan 12, 2009 9:53:27am |
re: #340 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I'm a smoker. I'd need a smoke every 10 minutes if I were POTUS. Now, I just need one an hour or so.
Seven packs a day.
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stevieray Mon, Jan 12, 2009 9:53:50am |
re: #345 MandyManners
Revocation of bail happens after the terms of the bail conditions have been violated. Has he hidden assets after bail was posted?
Bail can also be revoked when new charges are leveled. He was granted bail for one set of allegations, when additional crimes are alleged, bail can be reconsidered.
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Aye Pod Mon, Jan 12, 2009 9:54:01am |
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Opinionated Mon, Jan 12, 2009 9:54:21am |
re: #302 Nevergiveup
It didn't take long to find opinions that agree with my view. One by John Bolton.
The U.S. Votes 'Present' at the U.N.
Usually we stop anti-Israel resolutions.
[Link: online.wsj.com...]
Shame On Bush And Condi
America throws Israel to the wolves.
[Link: www.forbes.com...]
Bush's parting gift to Israel was poison.
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subsailor68 Mon, Jan 12, 2009 9:54:32am |
re: #365 MandyManners
When are they gonna' slamming all the chardonnay slurpers?
The cigarette nazis here tried to pass one of those stupid smoking bans. Bad news was they tried to include the VFW. All those crusty old veterans got together and made a decision.
They locked the door to the VFW bar. When the cops (called I guess by a disgruntled smoke nazi) knocked on the door, the vets told 'em to piss off.
They did.
God bless our veterans.
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formercorpsman Mon, Jan 12, 2009 9:54:35am |
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realwest Mon, Jan 12, 2009 9:54:41am |
re: #362 Iron Fist Fist, you know that's not gonna happen. For crying out loud, McCain released ALL of his medical records; Obama a one page letter from his doctors.
Never gonna happen.
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Taqiyyotomist Mon, Jan 12, 2009 9:54:43am |
re: #286 MandyManners
Why just men?
You know what I mean. "Where are the people who have courage to stand up?" Not just make fearful anonymous comments on a site. Like I've said before, all the "outrage" expressed in these and other forums amounts to Jack Squat; it's like we're the family of Anne Frank, hiding in the attic, whispering our "outrage" at all the bad craziness. Afraid to even type the Un-PC.
We need a new word. "Inrage"
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faraway Mon, Jan 12, 2009 9:54:52am |
re: #379 MJBrutus
Is it just me, or does anyone else think this JTP thing has gotten out of hand.
I mean, he's a decent guy and all that, but he's no rocket scientist. He does have a grasp of the obvious, which is certainly more than one can say of his "peers" in the press corps, but that's a rather low bar after all. Basically, he arrived on the scene not so much for anything he did or said, but because he elicited a bit of truth from the O, in one of his few unguarded moments.
I can't say that I'm real psyched about the myths and legends that are growing up around this guy.
What's the downside?
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jwb7605 Mon, Jan 12, 2009 9:54:52am |
re: #379 MJBrutus
Is it just me, or does anyone else think this JTP thing has gotten out of hand.
I mean, he's a decent guy and all that, but he's no rocket scientist. He does have a grasp of the obvious, which is certainly more than one can say of his "peers" in the press corps, but that's a rather low bar after all. Basically, he arrived on the scene not so much for anything he did or said, but because he elicited a bit of truth from the O, in one of his few unguarded moments.
I can't say that I'm real psyched about the myths and legends that are growing up around this guy.
?
'splain?
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yma o hyd Mon, Jan 12, 2009 9:55:17am |
A pretty hair-raising Hamas-video at israellycool
Thats the people Israel is told to 'negotiate' with ...
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x-wing Mon, Jan 12, 2009 9:55:23am |
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subsailor68 Mon, Jan 12, 2009 9:55:25am |
re: #369 alegrias
* * *
There already IS a pedestrian tunnel under the Smithsonian Castle--for staff--it goes straight north under the Mall and to the Museum of Natural History.
Yep. If I remember the episode, that was the tunnel they got to from the Oval Office, and went from there. (I think.)
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apachegunner Mon, Jan 12, 2009 9:55:26am |
re: #354 CIA Reject
I'm pretty sure having sex during working hours in a federal building is illegal too, but that never stopped Bill Clinton...
I've done that several times in my career, just don't get caught!
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MandyManners Mon, Jan 12, 2009 9:55:53am |
re: #354 CIA Reject
I'm pretty sure having sex during working hours in a federal building is illegal too, but that never stopped Bill Clinton...
For real? Public nudity?
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abolitionist Mon, Jan 12, 2009 9:55:58am |
Joe trades wrench for notepad in Israel
He seems to be calling for banning generalists from reporting in war zones. While I applaud his candor, I don't think this is going to help his newest career.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Jan 12, 2009 9:56:17am |
re: #380 MandyManners
Seven packs a day.
Minimum. Can you imagine?
"Let's have the press conference outside. Yes, I know it's 15 degrees out there. That's only brisk in my book! Smoke 'em if you got 'em!"
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Semi Cartman Mon, Jan 12, 2009 9:56:22am |
re: #73 Leonidas Hoplite
Doing the work the MSM won't. Thank you Joe!
What the MSM will be whether they like it or not.
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Kosh's Shadow Mon, Jan 12, 2009 9:56:37am |
re: #383 Opinionated
It didn't take long to find opinions that agree with my view. One by John Bolton.
The U.S. Votes 'Present' at the U.N.
Usually we stop anti-Israel resolutions.[Link: online.wsj.com...]
Shame On Bush And Condi
America throws Israel to the wolves.[Link: www.forbes.com...]
Bush's parting gift to Israel was poison.
Trying to get Israel used to what they'll see once 0bama takes office.
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CIA Reject Mon, Jan 12, 2009 9:56:49am |
re: #356 Texas Heathen
I don't think so. Clinton obviously did coke and we never heard about that. I say that because his nose was always red and every time I saw him my first thought was that he had just done a couple lines.
I remember thinking the same thing, but where would he get the stuff? It would have to be practically smuggled into him past the USSS.
And his supplier would have one hell of opportunity for blackmail...
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Guanxi88 Mon, Jan 12, 2009 9:56:53am |
re: #388 Taqiyyotomist
Like I've said before, all the "outrage" expressed in these and other forums amounts to Jack Squat; it's like we're the family of Anne Frank, hiding in the attic, whispering our "outrage" at all the bad craziness. Afraid to even type the Un-PC.
We need a new word. "Inrage"
I think you need to copyright that term right now - before somebody like me steals it and runs big on it.
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Ben Hur Mon, Jan 12, 2009 9:56:57am |
re: #239 Killgore Trout
Those must be the missiles that the British government wanted to buy from ISrael a few years back, but was blocked by the Parliment - because, you know, G-d forbid you should support the ISraeli war machine.
So they opted for British made missiles that can't be aborted or redirected to avoid civilians casualties - because the Brits are allowed to kill Arab.Afgani civilians.
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little boomer Mon, Jan 12, 2009 9:57:38am |
JTP bugs the MSM. That's good enough for me!
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yma o hyd Mon, Jan 12, 2009 9:57:42am |
re: #352 Dark_Falcon
He's right. Britain really does not recognize self-defense anymore. Which is moral equivalence gone insane. There have been moves to correct this state of affairs but they have faltered and I know not why.
I can tell you:
* PC, plus
* neostalinist NuLab laws.
Like all communists, NuLab feels more sympathy with villains than with their victims.
Not only are the victims guilty anyway, they belong to the dreaded middle classes - but villains are only misguided herose of the working class ...
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Dustyvet Mon, Jan 12, 2009 9:58:03am |
re: #400 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Minimum. Can you imagine?
"Let's have the press conference outside. Yes, I know it's 15 degrees out there. That's only brisk in my book! Smoke 'em if you got 'em!"
Or bum em from your squad leader...:)
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Aunt Bea Mon, Jan 12, 2009 9:58:17am |
Hi Hoosier (or would that be Mr. Hoops?) :)
On a side note: Has anyone seen anywhere in the MSM where vandalism against Jewish schools and synagogues occurred in Chicago? I read about it on some of the the Israel news sites but nowhere here except local Chicago I guess.
[Link: www.chicagobreakingnews.com...]
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jwpaine Mon, Jan 12, 2009 9:58:26am |
re: #29 Dark_Falcon
They'll start attacking him soon. They'll call 'non-objective' and 'biased' and they'll refuse to report anything he digs up. This will not just be because he does not share their views, but because they are defending their jobs. They don't want to admit that their J-School degrees may not be worth as much as good instincts and an open mind.
DF, as a former newspaper editor, I can say honestly that a J-school degree was the most useless piece of paper anyone could attach to their resume. I (and other editors I knew) always favored prospects with actual educations.
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Occasional Reader Mon, Jan 12, 2009 9:58:27am |
re: #406 Ben Hur
So they opted for British made missiles
All parts falling off those missiles are of the finest hand-crafted British quality.
(Recalling a bumper sticker popular among Jaguar owners in the 80s)
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mean Gene Mon, Jan 12, 2009 9:58:30am |
re: #393 yma o hyd
Wow.
But for that to be true there have to still be Hamas and Hamas supporters by Feb. elections.
And it doesn't look too good for that right now.
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alegrias Mon, Jan 12, 2009 9:58:39am |
re: #333 realwest
Yeah, but give Drudge the props for breaking the Monica Lewinsky story. Hat or no hat.
* * *
That Oval Office action was just a diversion from Arafat's antics upstairs in the Lincoln BR of the White House.
Remember, Baali terrorist Arafat was the Clinton's Most Favored Guest, most nights in the Lincoln BR. Evah!
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realwest Mon, Jan 12, 2009 9:58:40am |
re: #365 MandyManners
When are they gonna' slamming all the chardonnay slurpers?
Great quote and idea, but it's been tried before and only Al Capone and Joe Kennedy really benefitted from it!
Fat is next - you watch. Fat is a health risk, doncha know and thereby gives the government the cover (oh the increase in Health Costs for Fat people).
unfortunately, for the savings to the health care systems, alcohol does cause more damage and longer term damage than even cigarrettes - and no I don't remember where I read it - I was in the middle of quitting drinking when a doctor and several nurses told me that.
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Taqiyyotomist Mon, Jan 12, 2009 9:59:09am |
re: #325 LGoPs
Re: cigarette nazis.
I love it (sarc) when I'm smoking, and I get a "sympathy cough" and a rude look from someone 60 yards away, with the wind blowing AWAY from said person. Happens all the time. Usually ex-smokers. It's as if they see it, and their kneejerk reaction is to fake a cough, even when the smoke cannot have even gotten to the person. Grr.
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jwb7605 Mon, Jan 12, 2009 9:59:10am |
re: #399 abolitionist
Joe trades wrench for notepad in Israel
He seems to be calling for banning generalists from reporting in war zones. While I applaud his candor, I don't think this is going to help his newest career.
from the article:
Joe's rookie reporter status was evident when, standing in front of a pile of spent rockets, he said, "I have thousands of questions but I can't think of the right one."
hehTM.
Joe may actually be stupid, but msnbc just outdid him with that sentence.
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CIA Reject Mon, Jan 12, 2009 9:59:19am |
re: #396 apachegunner
I've done that several times in my career, just don't get caught!
I suppose if you're the POTUS getting caught is moot anyway.
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Bloodnok Mon, Jan 12, 2009 9:59:21am |
Waiting for the MSM to counter with their newest Gaza correspondent, Obama Girl.
/Can't wait to watch this when I get home. I hope Joe finds a strong niche with his reporting.
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andopolis Mon, Jan 12, 2009 9:59:30am |
quote from Olmert...
"Two things must happen in order for the fighting to end quickly; firstly, residents of the Sderot, Ashkelon, Netivot, Nahal Oz and Beersheba must be able to live as quietly as people in Paris and London. Secondly, we must ensure that the terror groups will not be able to smuggle weapons into Gaza in the future"
Train bombings, car-b-ques... he might have chosen better examples.
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subsailor68 Mon, Jan 12, 2009 9:59:47am |
re: #414 Occasional Reader
All parts falling off those missiles are of the finest hand-crafted British quality.
(Recalling a bumper sticker popular among Jaguar owners in the 80s)
LOL! First wife really wanted an MG Midget. Bought one. Came with a crate of extra water pumps.
(Well, not really, but it sure should have.)
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blangwort Mon, Jan 12, 2009 9:59:51am |
re: #71 WriterMom
This is A GUTSY, brave American. GO JOE!
He's not the only one with guts. What about the people still living there?
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MJBrutus Mon, Jan 12, 2009 10:00:09am |
re: #390 faraway
What's the downside?
I've heard him make some foreign policy statements that weren't as clearly sensible as this. He is after all, simply a Joe six pack. That's a good thing, in that often says what many of us consider good common sense. But not all of his opinions are as agreeable to us. The danger in giving him too much credence lies in when he says things that we would consider not well thought out or even irresponsible if it came from a person of influence in the conservative movement. While you and I are well able to keep him perspective (I hope), my fear is that we are setting up our political opponents to make too much political hay when he goes off the plantation.
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Ben Hur Mon, Jan 12, 2009 10:00:19am |
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realwest Mon, Jan 12, 2009 10:00:30am |
re: #346 faraway
Huh, plain ole IE 7 here, no prob's at all.
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CIA Reject Mon, Jan 12, 2009 10:00:42am |
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Opinionated Mon, Jan 12, 2009 10:01:04am |
re: #403 Kosh's Shadow
Exactly. If Obama came in and immediately even abstained and didn't prevent an anti Israel resolution, it would be glaringly noticed as a change in direction. Now he can be said to just be doing what Bush/rice already made acceptable.
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lawhawk Mon, Jan 12, 2009 10:01:26am |
According to army estimates (based on intelligence and information obtained by the Gaza Coordination and Liaison Administration), at least 400 of the palestinians killed are known Hamas operatives. Furthermore, the IDF believes that among the remaining 500, at least half are Hamas operatives. In other words, more than 750 of the 905 dead could well have been Hamas terrorists, which is a starkly different picture to the one being painted by the likes of Hamas, UNRWA, and the world media.
Far from the multitudes of civilian casualties claimed, the overwhelming majority are Hamas turned humus. That's 82.8% of all dead being attributed as Hamas thugs. 100% of those dead were killed because Hamas waged war against Israel.
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MJBrutus Mon, Jan 12, 2009 10:01:33am |
re: #427 buzzsawmonkey
Well, he hasn't cleaned out the Augean Stables of the MSM in one day, that's true. Nor has he yet slain the Hydra--but nobody was claiming he had.
He did capture the Cerberus of Socialism and fling it down before the Anointed One, before it was returned to its native hellish habitat by the MSM.
So clearly, the myths and legends have a way to go before Joe completes his Labours.
Let's not leave out the bit about defeating the Cyclops :-)
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Spiny Norman Mon, Jan 12, 2009 10:01:38am |
re: #260 Taqiyyotomist
I was on a UK news site thread a couple days ago, I think it was an article about the mob violence in London, and many UK/Brit commenters were saying things like "Why won't our government DO anything? O Noes! Why O why?"
The BNP must be lovin' it.
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yma o hyd Mon, Jan 12, 2009 10:02:22am |
re: #415 mean Gene
Wow.
But for that to be true there have to still be Hamas and Hamas supporters by Feb. elections.
And it doesn't look too good for that right now.
I had another horrible thought about that Feb election - Iran ...
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Jan 12, 2009 10:02:33am |
re: #426 Ben Hur
Watched a movie a couple of days ago. Was about some guy named after you. Looked just like you too! Didn't know you were so famous.
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Occasional Reader Mon, Jan 12, 2009 10:02:33am |
re: #427 buzzsawmonkey
Should we dispatch Kevin Sorbo as a reporter in Gaza?
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faraway Mon, Jan 12, 2009 10:02:35am |
re: #425 MJBrutus
I've heard him make some foreign policy statements that weren't as clearly sensible as this. He is after all, simply a Joe six pack. That's a good thing, in that often says what many of us consider good common sense. But not all of his opinions are as agreeable to us. The danger in giving him too much credence lies in when he says things that we would consider not well thought out or even irresponsible if it came from a person of influence in the conservative movement. While you and I are well able to keep him perspective (I hope), my fear is that we are setting up our political opponents to make too much political hay when he goes off the plantation.
My advice to you and others is
STOP LISTENING TO WHAT YOUR OPPONENTS SAY
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Guanxi88 Mon, Jan 12, 2009 10:02:52am |
re: #436 buzzsawmonkey
Heracles did not defeat the Cyclops, if memory serves. That was Odysseus.
Yeah, so what? You sayin' JTP couldn't do both?
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mean Gene Mon, Jan 12, 2009 10:03:12am |
re: #380 MandyManners
Seven packs a day.
hahahaha.....
Add that to the food he makes a habit of eating:
waffles with butter and syrup.
Chili sausage sandwich.
I forget the rest but any one of them alone is OK.
He just makes such stuff a habit.
Like his smoking.
Actually, all his life is a series of addictions.
He even did cocaine through college.
Now all the pressure of the White House PLUS a mother-in-law under his roof?
He won't make it without his blackberry.....for his drug connections.
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realwest Mon, Jan 12, 2009 10:03:15am |
re: #355 MandyManners
Mandy - I said he still has BILLIONS of bucks stashed away; do you really think that common criminals who break those stupid bracelets everyday, wouldn't cut and run if they had that kind of dough?
And with that kind of money he wouldn't need no stinking passport - or could have a forged one made asap.
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MJBrutus Mon, Jan 12, 2009 10:03:16am |
re: #436 buzzsawmonkey
Heracles did not defeat the Cyclops, if memory serves. That was Odysseus.
Your memory is correct. I didn't know that we were restricting ourselves to Herculean feats :-)
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Racer X Mon, Jan 12, 2009 10:03:20am |
re: #383 Opinionated
It didn't take long to find opinions that agree with my view. One by John Bolton.
The U.S. Votes 'Present' at the U.N.
Usually we stop anti-Israel resolutions.[Link: online.wsj.com...]
Shame On Bush And Condi
America throws Israel to the wolves.[Link: www.forbes.com...]
Bush's parting gift to Israel was poison.
I'm just shaking my head. I see no upside to abstaining on this vote. Does Bush really care what the world thinks about him NOW? Hell, they HATED him before, ONE vote at the UN will not change that.
Every day my opinion of Bush gets lower and lower.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Jan 12, 2009 10:03:23am |
re: #436 buzzsawmonkey
Heracles did not defeat the Cyclops, if memory serves. That was Odysseus.
Right after the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?
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Taqiyyotomist Mon, Jan 12, 2009 10:04:12am |
re: #379 MJBrutus
I can't say that I'm real psyched about the myths and legends that are growing up around this guy.
Which myths and legends? Care to provide any examples?
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jwb7605 Mon, Jan 12, 2009 10:04:27am |
re: #446 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Right after the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?
Civil war. The one before WWII.
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FurryOldGuyJeans Mon, Jan 12, 2009 10:05:01am |
re: #408 Iron Fist
That's certainly the way it's worked for gasoline, isn't it? They wanted high prices to discourage consumption, and now want to raise the gas tax because consumption is down. And these folks intend to manage the entire US economy for the next four years.
4 years is only the beginning. They want control, period, no time frame.
Our Messiah-King is having to announce He won't be able to perform as many miracles as He promised during the campaign. Will this disillusion the True Believers?
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Occasional Reader Mon, Jan 12, 2009 10:05:19am |
re: #438 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Watched a movie a couple of days ago. Was about some guy named after you. Looked just like you too! Didn't know you were so famous.
I caught part of Cast a Giant Shadow last night... had never even heard of it. Kirk Douglas, Frank Sinatra, Yul Brynner and John Wayne fighting for Israel! WOW!
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Summersong Mon, Jan 12, 2009 10:05:59am |
re: #292 MandyManners
I'd rather he be able to do it at his desk. (I cannot believe I'm sticking up for CBBHO but, I'm doing it for him as the president.)
But the house belongs to the American people. Smoke will damage the fabrics, the art, etc.
I'm a smoker, I smoke outside. He can, too.
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jwb7605 Mon, Jan 12, 2009 10:06:28am |
re: #454 Summersong
But the house belongs to the American people. Smoke will damage the fabrics, the art, etc.
I'm a smoker, I smoke outside. He can, too.
Photo Op! upding!
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mean Gene Mon, Jan 12, 2009 10:06:32am |
re: #437 yma o hyd
I had another horrible thought about that Feb election - Iran ...
I know.
Iran is happy to see attention diverted so it can build its bombs without Israeli opposition.
Now, can Israel walk and chew gum at the same time?
I think so.
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Ron Shaw Mon, Jan 12, 2009 10:06:38am |
Think about it in a somewhat different way...
...what if each of us had a limitless supply of rockets we could launch at our enemies or anyone, any place or any thing in general that was pissing us off at the time? Face it, plenty of folks, places and things need some blowing-up with regularity...after all, one person's target is another person's rocket factory...all that is needed is a stockpile of rockets, a wet-finger in the wind for accuracy, some aim and launch sites to 'send' your messages of dissatisfaction forth. We all have some dissatisfactions. Just think of the changes that might come with some well-placed rockets-of-terror. We can terror-rocket our enemies into oblivion, too. Hell, isn't that what Ayers and Dohrn and crew tried to do back when? And, as we see in Hamas we can be poor and rocket-men, we don't even have to be rich like Ayers and Dohrn to make things go kaboom. All we all need do is forget such outdated concepts which would prohibit us from our personal rocketeering careers. You know concepts like; respect for life, civility, being civilized, possessing useful intelligence for good, an affirmative education, the ability to think rationally, being a positive influence on ones children, the next generation and those of all ages around you, having at least some measure of altruism, love of and for your fellow human being, love of self but not over others, the desire to love first and hate as an absolute last resort, selflessness, cherish life not death and destruction, if religious, then possessing GRA (a good religious attitude), have morals and use them, obey laws locally, nationally and internationally, try decency, begin with caring, sow peace, embrace freedom and expect it, the basic universal right to live, actually love liberty, the shared goal of prosperity through peaceful meaningful discourse, non-violent debate, real potential for reconciliation, accept that your freedom begins and ends at your nose, first and awfully close to foremost, 'do no harm.'
No man, no woman, no child should be subjected to terror at any time anywhere...one rocket ready for launch pointed indiscriminately at innocent citizens is one too many and Israel has the absolute right to defend themselves, to stop the terror and thus the terrorists. Those in America and throughout the world who see this differently are terror-sympathizing, terrorist-enabling rocket launchers, figuratively speaking.
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Ben Hur Mon, Jan 12, 2009 10:06:42am |
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CIA Reject Mon, Jan 12, 2009 10:06:51am |
re: #417 realwest
Great quote and idea, but it's been tried before and only Al Capone and Joe Kennedy really benefitted from it!
Fat is next - you watch. Fat is a health risk, doncha know and thereby gives the government the cover (oh the increase in Health Costs for Fat people).
unfortunately, for the savings to the health care systems, alcohol does cause more damage and longer term damage than even cigarrettes - and no I don't remember where I read it - I was in the middle of quitting drinking when a doctor and several nurses told me that.
Yup- today the smoking Nazis, tomorrow it'll be the fat Nazis.
Imagine: "Surgeon General Richard Simmons"
*YIKES!*
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realwest Mon, Jan 12, 2009 10:06:53am |
re: #439 Occasional Reader
Who is Kevin Sorbo? And I gotta tell ya O.R., JTP may not - hell clearly is not the second coming of Morrow, but he does ask the type of "inconvenient" questions that the MSM has been dodging since the start of this Israeli/Hamas/Gaza dust up.
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FurryOldGuyJeans Mon, Jan 12, 2009 10:07:50am |
re: #456 Iron Fist
Yeah, I know. The Republicans are pussies. They let the Donks walk all over them, and don't even try to put up a fight. If they're the best we've got, the best won't do.
They are worse than pussies. They act like battered spouses that actually crave the abuse, fighting tooth and nail anyone that tries to stop it.
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yma o hyd Mon, Jan 12, 2009 10:07:53am |
re: #431 lawhawk
Far from the multitudes of civilian casualties claimed, the overwhelming majority are Hamas turned humus. That's 82.8% of all dead being attributed as Hamas thugs. 100% of those dead were killed because Hamas waged war against Israel.
It is worth repeating - and in the context of this trhead: the MFM are always pointing out how many of the dead are women anf children.
They never ask what then are the other dead?
Nor are we told what is actually a 'child'.
The 17-year old who is a hamas gunman?
The 14-year old who carries ammunition?
Are they not combattants, regardless of their age?
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Opinionated Mon, Jan 12, 2009 10:08:14am |
re: #445 Racer X
I see Rice's doing. I wonder what Bush's second term would have been if he had a decent- non appeasing- non UN loving- non Obama supporting- Sec of State.
For one thing just maybe Iran wound not be this close to the bomb- when everything will change for the worst. Just when we have the worst President to face the challenge.
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Guanxi88 Mon, Jan 12, 2009 10:08:36am |
re: #452 FurryOldGuyJeans
4 years is only the beginning. They want control, period, no time frame.
Our Messiah-King is having to announce He won't be able to perform as many miracles as He promised during the campaign. Will this disillusion the True Believers?
Not at all; remember, his role-model (or first avatar, if your belief incline that way) occasionally declined to perform certain miracles.
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bulwrk Mon, Jan 12, 2009 10:08:37am |
re: #451 jwb7605
Civil war. The one before WWII.
Aka The War of Disproportional Response,hardly anyone was killed at Fort Sumter you know.
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buzzdroid Mon, Jan 12, 2009 10:08:41am |
Hamas warning to Israel - video aired on Al Asqa tv
They've got a "present" for them on election night.
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experiencedtraveller Mon, Jan 12, 2009 10:09:25am |
re: #427 buzzsawmonkey
I just hope he can protect my gold from being fleeced.
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yma o hyd Mon, Jan 12, 2009 10:09:34am |
re: #440 faraway
I understand where you're coming from - but if we don't listen to what our opponents say we don't know how best to refute their sayings, point by point.
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mean Gene Mon, Jan 12, 2009 10:10:00am |
re: #465 yma o hyd
Just like those two men we saw in a video setting off mortar rockets from the tree-lined median of a Gaza highway.
They were dressed in civilian clothing.
If IDF managed to catch them and take them out were they ''civilian casualties?"
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FurryOldGuyJeans Mon, Jan 12, 2009 10:10:38am |
re: #468 Guanxi88
Not at all; remember, his role-model (or first avatar, if your belief incline that way) occasionally declined to perform certain miracles.
The only role model Our Messiah-King has is Himself. The Self-Worship is palpable and cloying.
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Hard Right Mon, Jan 12, 2009 10:10:43am |
re: #474 mean Gene
Just like those two men we saw in a video setting off mortar rockets from the tree-lined median of a Gaza highway.
They were dressed in civilian clothing.
If IDF managed to catch them and take them out were they ''civilian casualties?"
Was that the guys using the rope to remote launch them?
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Guanxi88 Mon, Jan 12, 2009 10:11:25am |
re: #472 Iron Fist
Paraguay. That's the country to run to. If they wouldn't extradite Joseph Mengele, they won't extradite you. As long as you keep them paid, at any rate.
Indeed, indeed. Many a time and oft, I've practiced my spanish in anticipation of making the move. "Hola, me llamo Miguel Sanchez-Schwartz. Yo estoy un Paragueno spectacular."
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Hard Right Mon, Jan 12, 2009 10:11:47am |
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Guanxi88 Mon, Jan 12, 2009 10:12:05am |
re: #476 FurryOldGuyJeans
The only role model Our Messiah-King has is Himself. The Self-Worship is palpable and cloying.
That's why I put in the first avatar. Beliefs on these matters, though not essential to Obamology, differ among sects.
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Opinionated Mon, Jan 12, 2009 10:12:32am |
re: #470 buzzdroid
They've got a "present" for them on election night.
I on the other hand hope that Israeli voters don't send Hamas a present on election night- a Labor or Kadima win.
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MarineGrunt Mon, Jan 12, 2009 10:13:17am |
re: #214 Mich-again
Wonder why Foxnews kept "Gerry Rivers"out of this Pali Israel conflict.
After all he (hearted) Arafish and was there for for all the others.
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CIA Reject Mon, Jan 12, 2009 10:13:36am |
re: #481 Iron Fist
The Cult of Obama is a lot like Communism. When it fails, it's because they didn't try hard enough. Just give them
fourFive more years...
...and we will have glorious new tractor factory in Ukraine Beltsville, MD Comrade!
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Texas Heathen Mon, Jan 12, 2009 10:13:44am |
re: #350 Kragar (proud to be kafir)
hell yeah.
Needfull things is a great book.
did you read any of the Dark Tower books? Weird but good.
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faraway Mon, Jan 12, 2009 10:14:01am |
re: #473 yma o hyd
I understand where you're coming from - but if we don't listen to what our opponents say we don't know how best to refute their sayings, point by point.
By refuting them, you give them legitimacy.
The MSM quit listening to blogs and the right in 2008 and they won.
Latest evidence is the CNN CPR video.
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realwest Mon, Jan 12, 2009 10:14:12am |
re: #456 Iron Fist
Which brings us, nicely enough, back to JTP - don't know if he's a Repub or Leftist, but he does ask what I've referred to as "inconvenient" questions. Like him to have a one on one with Reid or Pelosi about the bailout dough and ask "So where the hell is the $500 billion going to and for what? Are you really giving that money away ALREADY without any accountability?"
Ya know, for starters.
Guys like JTP aren't sophisticated and in some case that could be a problem, but he asks questions that SOMEBODY oughta be asking! His questions about the Jews dodging rockets weren't sophisticated in "journalistic" terms, but to my knowledge no one in the MSM has ever asked them and they NEED to be asked over and over and over again.
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yma o hyd Mon, Jan 12, 2009 10:14:32am |
re: #474 mean Gene
Just like those two men we saw in a video setting off mortar rockets from the tree-lined median of a Gaza highway.
They were dressed in civilian clothing.
If IDF managed to catch them and take them out were they ''civilian casualties?"
According to the MFM, they certainly were!
As were those who perished in the secondary explosions which the IDF showed us on the videos.
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FurryOldGuyJeans Mon, Jan 12, 2009 10:14:38am |
re: #481 Iron Fist
The Cult of Obama is a lot like Communism. When it fails, it's because they didn't try hard enough. Just give them
fourFive more years...
And there are enough people ignorant of the history and practice of Communism to actually believe the next try will succeed.
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Guanxi88 Mon, Jan 12, 2009 10:15:14am |
re: #487 CIA Reject
...and we will have glorious new tractor factory in
UkraineBeltsville, MD Comrade!
Hell, anything that can guarantee the People's Tractor becoming a reality in our lifetime should be pushed along full-speed. We'll fuel the People's Tractor with the People's Ethanol, and drive it down the People's Highway till we run the People's Tires flat.
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realwest Mon, Jan 12, 2009 10:16:25am |
re: #461 CIA Reject
ROFL! Richard Simmons, Surgeon General! LOL!
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Ayatollah Ghilmeini Mon, Jan 12, 2009 10:16:28am |
The Honor and Glory of Hamas
Line from Hamas music video contained in a larger Pal. Media Watch of Hamas most offensive broadcasts (which has to be seen to be believed):
The pure blood will produce honor and glory
Well Hamas, looks like all your honor and glory is coming to swift end. Sadly, hundreds of innocent Palestinians ha to die because you fight, like everything else you say you do, "Islamicly." Women and children died because you used them as shields and look at the glorious victory! You have managed to kill a handful of Israeli soldiers and civilians. The Israeli army has you on the ropes despite the fact you say the Koran promises you victory. There's your glory and as for your honor, you have lied and fought like women. Did I mention Jews, lowly Jews, the people you despise and have such contempt for, are the instrument of your defeat.
I just loved watching the video of two of your scum ambushing a some Israeli soldiers with a gun and grenades. Point blank range, with the element of surprise; you would think you might have made at least one widow in such a situation but, a careful viewing shows the IDF men gunning down your gunman and then the enterprising Israeli trooper using your little grenade chucker as a shield. It was a pretty good grenade but your little coward was finally put to good use; his body absorbed the overwhelming majority of the blast, he was not spared by the Creator whom you claim blessed his attack. The Israeli trooper went right back into action to finish hunting your scum down. You should watch the video Hamas, it shows a real warrior in action. Now the man may be an IDF elite troop but he might also be a reservist who usually is a grocer, a programmer or a chef. Whatever he is, he would rather be home with his folks or on the beach at Eilat. Sadly you have this sick funny notion all Jews have to die and he, like me takes exception to that. So he kissed his Mom goodbye, strapped on his gear and followed his nation's call to fight. While there is a chance he still might not come home, at current combat rates, he has a 24 in 100,000 chance of dying while the average Hamas fighter who actually shoots at Israelis has just about a 80% or higher fatality rate. The ones who run as soon as they shoot seem to be living longer.
What will you give to the families to the fools whose heads you filled with your beliefs and sent to die?
Honor in war comes from fighting hard with decency and mercy to the defeated. But you have no honor. You would have the Jews of Israel sold as slaves, that idea has been mentioned by some of your wilder preachers, while Israel fully intends to give Gazans a government that doesn't bring death and destruction to Israelis and Palestinians.
As for your glory. You haven't any of that either. You promised big things to your people; you delivered death, hell and defeat for your people.
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Racer X Mon, Jan 12, 2009 10:16:39am |
re: #466 Opinionated
Gonna be interesting to compare the performance of Hillary to Condi.
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MJBrutus Mon, Jan 12, 2009 10:16:59am |
re: #447 ploome hineni
and those are?
what myths and legends?
I'm referring to the notion that he speaks for anybody other than Joe The Plumber. I think that McCain and Palin, for example, certainly overplayed JTP during the campaign to the point of being ridiculous.
As I said, generally I like the guy, but I don't consider him to be an authority on anything other than plumbing. I applaud him for inducing the O to let his mask slip, but I'm not big on the over-night celebrity thing.
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Kosh's Shadow Mon, Jan 12, 2009 10:17:12am |
re: #470 buzzdroid
Hamas warning to Israel - video aired on Al Asqa tv
[Video]They've got a "present" for them on election night.
Well, that warning should give Likud extra votes.
The Israelis aren't Spaniards.
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FurryOldGuyJeans Mon, Jan 12, 2009 10:17:13am |
re: #487 CIA Reject
...and we will have glorious new tractor factory in
UkraineBeltsville, MD Comrade!
It has never mattered that the factory ever gets built; all that matters is that Government Cares.
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faraway Mon, Jan 12, 2009 10:17:17am |
Please name a better living video journalist than Joe the Journalist. (not just a writer)
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HippieforLife Mon, Jan 12, 2009 10:17:39am |
re: #253 faraway
You are right. He needs to look out for Daily Kos and the Huffington Post people. They are downright scary! :)
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CIA Reject Mon, Jan 12, 2009 10:17:53am |
re: #493 Guanxi88
Hell, anything that can guarantee the People's Tractor becoming a reality in our lifetime should be pushed along full-speed. We'll fuel the People's Tractor with the People's Ethanol, and drive it down the People's Highway till we run the People's Tires flat.
Yeah, they've already thrown how many billion $ down the automotive industry rat hole so they can produce an American version of the Trabant, so why not?
*SHEESH*
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realwest Mon, Jan 12, 2009 10:18:13am |
re: #466 Opinionated
I hate to say this, but that's not the kind of stuff ANY Secretary of State says or does without POTOUS okaying it first.
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CIA Reject Mon, Jan 12, 2009 10:18:19am |
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Hard Right Mon, Jan 12, 2009 10:18:33am |
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Opinionated Mon, Jan 12, 2009 10:18:50am |
re: #498 Racer X
Gonna be interesting to compare the performance of Hillary to Condi.
Well you know one thing right away. One is an Obama supporter and one isn't.
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Oh no...Sand People! Mon, Jan 12, 2009 10:19:15am |
re: #389 ploome hineni
what myths and legends?
"He stands over 7 feet tall. He also has bolts of lightning coming out his arse."
//
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yma o hyd Mon, Jan 12, 2009 10:19:24am |
re: #489 faraway
By refuting them, you give them legitimacy.
The MSM quit listening to blogs and the right in 2008 and they won.
Latest evidence is the CNN CPR video.
Yes - take that video: should the blogosphere have let it stand, perpetuating lies and liars?
Or is it not more important to question the legitimacy of what was said and shown there?
If we'd disregarded it, more people would be brainwashed into believeing what the hamasholes are trying to convince them of: that Israel is guilty of war crimes.
No way!
You cannot fight something by turning your back on it.
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alegrias Mon, Jan 12, 2009 10:19:38am |
re: #379 MJBrutus
Is it just me, or does anyone else think this JTP thing has gotten out of hand.
I mean, he's a decent guy and all that, but he's no rocket scientist. He does have a grasp of the obvious, which is certainly more than one can say of his "peers" in the press corps, but that's a rather low bar after all. Basically, he arrived on the scene not so much for anything he did or said, but because he elicited a bit of truth from the O, in one of his few unguarded moments.
I can't say that I'm real psyched about the myths and legends that are growing up around this guy.
* * *
Et tu, Brutus? Way to stab in the back.
Joe the Plumber has more guts than you, for starters.
Oddly enough, rocket scientists like the ones you admire are Gazans.
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jwb7605 Mon, Jan 12, 2009 10:19:39am |
re: #502 faraway
Please name a better living video journalist than Joe the Journalist. (not just a writer)
Geraldo
/ <--- !
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yma o hyd Mon, Jan 12, 2009 10:20:28am |
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Kosh's Shadow Mon, Jan 12, 2009 10:20:38am |
re: #493 Guanxi88
Hell, anything that can guarantee the People's Tractor becoming a reality in our lifetime should be pushed along full-speed. We'll fuel the People's Tractor with the People's Ethanol, and drive it down the People's Highway till we run the People's Tires flat.
With the auto manufacturer bailout, I have visions of made-in-the-US Trabants. (With less polluting electric motors, of course. )
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Guanxi88 Mon, Jan 12, 2009 10:20:51am |
re: #504 CIA Reject
Yeah, they've already thrown how many billion $ down the automotive industry rat hole so they can produce an American version of the Trabant, so why not?
*SHEESH*
A Trabant? Jeesh, let's dream a little here:
How about a Volga Sedan?
Image: File:Beroun,_DOD_Probotrans,_Expon%C3%A1t_Volha_M_21.jpg
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Capitalist Tool Mon, Jan 12, 2009 10:21:05am |
Isn't that just like Hamas.
Bringing a pop- bottle rocket to an F-16 fight.
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Nevergiveup Mon, Jan 12, 2009 10:21:09am |
Anybody watching FOX? Did Mike Tobin goes in with the Israeli Troops?
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Wide Right Mon, Jan 12, 2009 10:21:25am |
re: #77 Pastorius
Honestly, how stupid that I have to sign in to use Pajamas TV.
Guess what, it ain't gonna happen.
www.bugmenot.com worked for me on PJTV, as it usually does with most sites. Give'er a try.
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Taqiyyotomist Mon, Jan 12, 2009 10:21:27am |
I remember the live on-air unearthing of Capone's Vaults.
Geraldo's first EPIC FAIL.
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Opinionated Mon, Jan 12, 2009 10:21:31am |
re: #505 realwest
I hate to say this, but that's not the kind of stuff ANY Secretary of State says or does without POTOUS okaying it first.
Not this particular vote, but an appeasing policy in general was Rice's doing.
On this vote, the Jerusalem Post reported that Rice wanted to and was prepared to vote for this anti Israel resolution. She got last minute instructions to abstain.
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realwest Mon, Jan 12, 2009 10:22:06am |
re: #467 ploome hineni
Nope, still called fact checking - it's just in the way you phrase your questions. Like you did "what myths and legends" that's fact checking.
Period.
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Guanxi88 Mon, Jan 12, 2009 10:22:45am |
re: #515 Kosh's Shadow
With the auto manufacturer bailout, I have visions of made-in-the-US Trabants. (With less polluting electric motors, of course. )
And crappier QC, too. Me? I'm partial to the old KBR's. Nothing says "austerity" like a Messerschmitt Kabinenroller: Image: File:Messerschmitt_Kabinenroller.jpg
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FurryOldGuyJeans Mon, Jan 12, 2009 10:22:51am |
re: #494 buzzsawmonkey
It is likely that half the current electorate does not remember the Cold War and has no concept of Communism as anything other than something that existed in bygone times.
If I have gotten a good analysis of the age breakdown of those who voted in the last election, a good chunk only barely remember the fall of the Berlin Wall and the Perestroika of Gorbachev. The horrors of full blown Soviet Aggression for too many of those voting is something only in history books that get vilified by academics and educators.
For that matter Carter and his failure as POTUS is even less known outside of books and articles. *SHUDDER*
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Mich-again Mon, Jan 12, 2009 10:22:52am |
re: #496 Ayatollah Ghilmeini
As for your glory. You haven't any of that either. You promised big things to your people; you delivered death, hell and defeat for your people.
You always have to remind them that their string of spectacular military defeats were all the will of Allah. Its pretty obvious that not even Allah is on their side.
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jwb7605 Mon, Jan 12, 2009 10:23:56am |
re: #526 Mich-again
You always have to remind them that their string of spectacular military defeats were all the will of Allah. Its pretty obvious that not even Allah is on their side.
OUCH. That's gonna leave a mark.
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MJBrutus Mon, Jan 12, 2009 10:24:30am |
re: #512 alegrias
* * *
Et tu, Brutus? Way to stab in the back.Joe the Plumber has more guts than you, for starters.
Go ahead and get snippy. Excuse the hell out of me for not bowing down before your new over-night wonder-boy.
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CIA Reject Mon, Jan 12, 2009 10:24:51am |
re: #501 FurryOldGuyJeans
It has never mattered that the factory ever gets built; all that matters is that Government Cares.
Where have I heard that before:
Lesee...
"It was like that when I got here..." -no
"Your check is in the mail...." -nope
"I'm from the government and I'm here to help..." -THAT'S IT!
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subsailor68 Mon, Jan 12, 2009 10:25:07am |
re: #509 Oh no...Sand People!
"He stands over 7 feet tall. He also has bolts of lightning coming out his arse."
//
Heh, heh. Also:
"The Lord tell me He can get me out of this mess. But He's pretty sure you're fooked."
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Age Of Freedom Mon, Jan 12, 2009 10:25:23am |
re: #8 Killgore Trout
Video for subscribers only. Bummer.
It takes less than 4 seconds to subscribe. For free.
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lifeofthemind Mon, Jan 12, 2009 10:25:48am |
re: #426 Ben Hur
Excellent, that will be used as a code device as in "See you in Angola" or "The package went to Slovakia"
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buzzdroid Mon, Jan 12, 2009 10:25:51am |
Sieg Heil in Denmark
watch out for the Hitler salutes in this vid of a pro-Hamasshole rally in Copenhagen.
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realwest Mon, Jan 12, 2009 10:26:08am |
re: #499 MJBrutus
You know, JTP didn't make himself a celebrity. The MSM was so SHOCKED that someone would ask Obama a legitimate question that they tore his life to shreds.
So he took advantage of it and at least now is giving the MSM a lesson in reporting - a term that they've forgotten.
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Taqiyyotomist Mon, Jan 12, 2009 10:26:48am |
re: #535 Age Of Freedom
It takes less than 4 seconds to subscribe. For free.
Yeah, but then you're on a LIST. Thats how they get ya. They'll come for all the people on the list. You'll see. Register away, marks.
//
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Guanxi88 Mon, Jan 12, 2009 10:27:20am |
re: #540 Taqiyyotomist
Yeah, but then you're on a LIST. Thats how they get ya. They'll come for all the people on the list. You'll see. Register away, marks.
//
That's right. In the words of Mr. Gribble: "Don't feed the Beast!"
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Nevergiveup Mon, Jan 12, 2009 10:27:27am |
US State Dept: 150 Americans, family members to be evacuated from Gaza
[Link: www.jpost.com...]
I guess they never got the memo that there was a war going on?
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CIA Reject Mon, Jan 12, 2009 10:27:41am |
re: #516 Guanxi88
A Trabant? Jeesh, let's dream a little here:
How about a Volga Sedan?
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
Oh- OK, if it's imagination you want then why not go for broke?
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lifeofthemind Mon, Jan 12, 2009 10:28:10am |
re: #439 Occasional Reader
Should we dispatch Kevin Sorbo as a reporter in Gaza?
We could do worse, Sorbo is an intelligent principled person.
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yma o hyd Mon, Jan 12, 2009 10:28:13am |
re: #538 buzzdroid
Aww - thass no Hitler salute - thass the proper hamashole/hisssbollah salute!
////
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Opinionated Mon, Jan 12, 2009 10:28:17am |
re: #528 Iron Fist
I'm sorry, but the buck has to stop at Bush, not Rice. He's the President. If she weren't doing the job he wanted her to do, he could have fired her. He controls policy, not her.
I am not absolving Bush, at all.
But Presidents take their cues and their briefings from their Sec of State. I submit that Iran being close to having nukes- something Bush said he would never allow- N Korea getting the better of us- Russia doing its will- and the anti Israel events- would not have occurred if, lets say, Bush's Sec of State had been Bolton.
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MJBrutus Mon, Jan 12, 2009 10:28:37am |
re: #539 realwest
You know, JTP didn't make himself a celebrity. The MSM was so SHOCKED that someone would ask Obama a legitimate question that they tore his life to shreds.
So he took advantage of it and at least now is giving the MSM a lesson in reporting - a term that they've forgotten.
I agree completely. My criticism is not of Joe. It is of those of us who are willing to place too much weight on his opinions.
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Taqiyyotomist Mon, Jan 12, 2009 10:28:42am |
re: #542 Guanxi88
That's right. In the words of Mr. Gribble: "Don't feed the Beast!"
Is that the survivalist-type on King of the Hill? He rocks.
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Hard Right Mon, Jan 12, 2009 10:28:42am |
re: #545 lifeofthemind
We could do worse, Sorbo is an intelligent principled person.
Then send Xena and Starbuck while you are at it. :)
////
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Golem Akbar Mon, Jan 12, 2009 10:28:55am |
Jonathan Chantzer is on Dennis Prager's radio show right now.
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Kosh's Shadow Mon, Jan 12, 2009 10:29:09am |
re: #521 Opinionated
Not this particular vote, but an appeasing policy in general was Rice's doing.
On this vote, the Jerusalem Post reported that Rice wanted to and was prepared to vote for this anti Israel resolution. She got last minute instructions to abstain.
Hillary might be an improvement.
But I think the 0 has thrown her the position as a bone, and is working to make the State Dept even more anti-Israel.
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Killgore Trout Mon, Jan 12, 2009 10:29:16am |
re: #535 Age Of Freedom
I used bugmenot.
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Opinionated Mon, Jan 12, 2009 10:29:41am |
re: #536 buzzsawmonkey
See my #523.
One can hope. And also hope she still has Presidential ambitions which would make her more inclined to be pro-Israel.
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Golem Akbar Mon, Jan 12, 2009 10:29:47am |
re: #551 Golem Akbar
Jonathan Chantzer is on Dennis Prager's radio show right now.
Sorry. He's an expert in counter-terrorism and is the author of a new book about Fatah versus Hamas. I've ordered the book.
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Taqiyyotomist Mon, Jan 12, 2009 10:29:56am |
re: #548 MJBrutus
I agree completely. My criticism is not of Joe. It is of those of us who are willing to place too much weight on his opinions.
He is stating opinions that many of us share. He asks (so far) questions which many of us have been begging the MSM to ask for years.
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albusteve Mon, Jan 12, 2009 10:30:01am |
re: #540 Taqiyyotomist
Yeah, but then you're on a LIST. Thats how they get ya. They'll come for all the people on the list. You'll see. Register away, marks.
//
I agree....only wth less sarc I'd say...and even so some people may just be disinterested (like me)...
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faraway Mon, Jan 12, 2009 10:30:09am |
re: #548 MJBrutus
I agree completely. My criticism is not of Joe. It is of those of us who are willing to place too much weight on his opinions.
MJ, you cant wait around for perfect conservatives. I'm not perfect, but I'm fighting in my own small way.
Let Joe fight.
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debutaunt Mon, Jan 12, 2009 10:30:30am |
re: #320 Golem Akbar
It's 82.673%
/These are actual statistics, and they don't lie.
HA! I saw it twice and skewed the stats!
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jwb7605 Mon, Jan 12, 2009 10:31:17am |
re: #548 MJBrutus
I agree completely. My criticism is not of Joe. It is of those of us who are willing to place too much weight on his opinions.
For me, right now, it's more about the content of the question.
and ...
"Reuters? Oh. Here's your story (pointing), right here"
... and they all moved away (mental image of Alice's Restaurant).
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subsailor68 Mon, Jan 12, 2009 10:31:31am |
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Outrider Mon, Jan 12, 2009 10:31:43am |
re: #548 MJBrutus
I agree completely. My criticism is not of Joe. It is of those of us who are willing to place too much weight on his opinions.
True. He is just another quickie celebrity like one of the Hollywood crowd that people blindly listen to (think Oprah). Although he has a little more sense then most of them.
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J.S. Mon, Jan 12, 2009 10:32:10am |
re: #473 yma o hyd
... but if we don't listen to what our opponents say we don't know how best to refute their sayings, point by point.
I think everyone is becoming increasingly polarized, radicalized, extremist (?)...that's just my sense...and, when this occurs, there's very little room for "discussion" or "exchange of opinions" -- it's just screaming names/obscenities at one another...What's the point? (so, I stop listening/reading/considering "the other side" -- hence, for example, I refuse to subscribe to any newspaper which features a column written by Christopher Hitchens -- I no longer give a f---k what the antisemite has to say -- since, it'll be lies anyway, why bother with it? i skip over it; i avoid it. But I will not pay money to read that; I refuse to contribute any money whatsoever to support a slimeball. (if i come across something for free, on the Internet -- fine, i might read it -- but no paid subscriptions. Ditto for any media featuring a Pat Buchanan -- I will not give money to such "media.")
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Capitalist Tool Mon, Jan 12, 2009 10:32:15am |
re: #554 Opinionated
One can hope. And also hope she still has Presidential ambitions which would make her more inclined to be pro-Israel.
I picture Hillary a few years down the road as looking more like Madam Albright...
not too big a stretch.
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Golem Akbar Mon, Jan 12, 2009 10:32:30am |
Jonathan Schanzer, Hamas vs. Fatah.
Spelling is not my first language.
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Mich-again Mon, Jan 12, 2009 10:33:02am |
re: #543 Nevergiveup
I wonder how many are from Dearborn. Probably all 150.
They don't have peace rallies there. They have outright pro-Hamas rallies. They aren't against the war between Israel and Hamas, they just don't like the way its working out.
The cops busted another gas station owner around here last week for supporting terrorism. The story hasn't broken yet but the police involved were telling friends and families about the details of the raid so the story is emerging with or without the press.
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debutaunt Mon, Jan 12, 2009 10:33:10am |
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Opinionated Mon, Jan 12, 2009 10:33:20am |
re: #552 Kosh's Shadow
Big question is whether she lasts even a year in the job.
Obama may be brilliant, Machiavellian. Tempt her out of the Senate and then screw her off a national platform.
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subsailor68 Mon, Jan 12, 2009 10:33:37am |
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realwest Mon, Jan 12, 2009 10:33:50am |
re: #514 yma o hyd
{yma} spot on quote from that link:
If we seriously want to avoid another generation of war in Gaza, we must have the courage to tell the Gazans that they will have to start looking after their children themselves, without UNRWA's help. This would force Palestinians to focus on building an economy instead of freeing them up to wage war. Of course, every baby lured into the world by our money up to now would still have our assistance.
ABSOLUTELY.
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yma o hyd Mon, Jan 12, 2009 10:34:05am |
From The Muqata:
'8:18 PM Hamas kingpin Ismaeel Haniyeh on Al-Jazeera: "Victory is Near!" '
True dat - but not the one you mean, heh!
Also from that blog:
8:22 PM Arab parties disqualified from running in Israeli elections due to failure to recognize Israel.
Arab Party Balad's chairman Jamal Zahalka said during the heated debate to MK David Tal from Kadima: "You drink Palestinian blood. You are a racist."
MK Ahmed Tibi added: "Every vote for Kadima is a bullet in the chest of a Palestinian child." (read it all at ynet)
8:20 PM Significant numbers of IDF reserve forces entering Gaza (Hebrew, ynet)
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FurryOldGuyJeans Mon, Jan 12, 2009 10:34:10am |
re: #521 Opinionated
Not this particular vote, but an appeasing policy in general was Rice's doing.
On this vote, the Jerusalem Post reported that Rice wanted to and was prepared to vote for this anti Israel resolution. She got last minute instructions to abstain.
Rice is the latest in the near endless line of successive SecStates that have been mutated by the bureaucrats at State to become balls-less and appeasing.
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alegrias Mon, Jan 12, 2009 10:35:02am |
re: #500 Kosh's Shadow
Well, that warning should give Likud extra votes.
The Israelis aren't Spaniards.
* * *
Hey, hey--we were once Conquistadors of America & Proud Of It...though must apologize for it ever since...
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Age Of Freedom Mon, Jan 12, 2009 10:35:11am |
Awesome stuff, Joe. Thank you for being one of the few that support the good guys. Thank you, and keep up the good work!
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MJBrutus Mon, Jan 12, 2009 10:35:33am |
re: #560 ploome hineni
I think what YOU are doing is projecting your discomfort with Joe the Plumber......
and ASSuming everyone else thinks like you
I that Joe speaks for himslef only....but he did introduce a point of view that the MSM was almost totally ignoring
personally, I think your 'myths and legends' characterization is over the top
It is an ASSumption to take people at their word, but that's all I have to go by. I am uncomfortable with the amount of credibility that he is being given. OK, maybe I was a little hyperbolic in that "myths and legends" crack, but I do think that his insights and opinions are being treated with more seriousness than they deserve.
I really don't see much difference between giving JTP's opinions more credence than I do Paris Hilton or Madonna's.
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FurryOldGuyJeans Mon, Jan 12, 2009 10:35:53am |
re: #548 MJBrutus
I agree completely. My criticism is not of Joe. It is of those of us who are willing to place too much weight on his opinions.
I would rather place an emphasis on his opinion than that of a gaggle of FMSM talking heads any day. We endlessly get their opinion foisted upon us as fact.
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VioletTiger Mon, Jan 12, 2009 10:37:00am |
Joe did a great job. He was honest and tried to make sure the story was not about him. That is pretty rare these days on any news program.
I hope his news story gets a wider audience. I can't imagine the fear that the Israelis face every day from the random rockets. Would bet that most people don't even realize what is going on out there. I think Joe has the ability and the presence to get the point across in an objective way. I hope he gets the chance to do it.
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Taqiyyotomist Mon, Jan 12, 2009 10:37:02am |
MJBrutus,
Who is bowing down? Giving a few kudos is not worship. Much-deserved kudos, IMO, since almost nobody in the MSM in the last decade has dared to ask the questions he has asked. It's not worship. Are we "bowing down" to Charles by registering and posting here? He is an overnight celeb for many of us, I'll give ya that. And as such, beats the HELL out of many celebs who have "earned" their celebrity status over the last half-century. He earned his by asking a question, by showing that he has balls, that if a community organizer can be President and a comedian can be a Senator, then a plumber can be a reporter. But kudos does not equal worship.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Jan 12, 2009 10:37:38am |
re: #570 debutaunt
I ignored Tim Robbins.
I can separate. Loved Tim Robbins in that movie. Love Jeff Goldbloom movies. Sean Penn has made some great movies.
Just never pay to see them.
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albusteve Mon, Jan 12, 2009 10:38:43am |
re: #578 alegrias
* * *
Hey, hey--we were once Conquistadors of America & Proud Of It...though must apologize for it ever since...
ever read 'Aztec" by Garry Jennings?....
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Green Helmet Guy Mon, Jan 12, 2009 10:39:18am |
re: #83 opnion
Joe must be destroyed! He is proving that the MSM types are not really that talented.
Soon they will float the rumor that Trig Palin is the love child of Joe & Sarah.
sarc.
No even better. On top of all that:
Joe is a bionic freemason Zio-con Mossad agent who was planted to stir up sympathy for the ZOG while discrediting HAMAS and the Media.
/
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yma o hyd Mon, Jan 12, 2009 10:40:03am |
re: #565 J.S.
Oh, I agree with you about not paying good money to read vicious anti-semitic 'opinion' by shills like Hitchens or PB.
And i agree that life's too short to try and argue with those who spout such drivel.
But I think its our duty to show the MFM up as the biased liars they are in their 'reports', and haul them over the coals for broadcasrtng obvious falsehoods.
Its these falsehoods which, if left unchallenged, drive more and more people into the arms of either the Hitchens and PBs ot this world, or into those of the hamashole-justifiers and enablers, like that 'Dr' Mads.
And we do know very many who are grateful for being shown the lies of the MFM which they have accepted because nobody challenged them ...
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albusteve Mon, Jan 12, 2009 10:40:17am |
re: #582 FurryOldGuyJeans
I would rather place an emphasis on his opinion than that of a gaggle of FMSM talking heads any day. We endlessly get their opinion foisted upon us as fact.
DON'T FOIST ME BRO!
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hous bin pharteen Mon, Jan 12, 2009 10:40:56am |
Why are you guys busting on the Main Street Morons. They are edumkaded! Not like that plumber. Who is gonna get asked to a celebrity ball? Who is gonna drink glasses of wine with politicians? Who has gone to college and be taught by left leaning, Lenin loving, ball less proffesours?
He will be hated by the MSM. He is brave, has balls, wants the truth not political propaganda, and asks things he wants to know, not things he wants people to believe. He is like another version of Sarah Palin.
People want their agenda reported, not the truth. Here is a classic example. [Link: corner.nationalreview.com...]
It is now okay to use school yards in New Jersey to fire rockets into New York City!
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Guanxi88 Mon, Jan 12, 2009 10:41:08am |
re: #544 CIA Reject
Oh- OK, if it's imagination you want then why not go for broke?
Ok, well, here's the trump:
[Link: www.alibaba.com...]
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Oh no...Sand People! Mon, Jan 12, 2009 10:41:24am |
re: #581 MJBrutus
It is an ASSumption to take people at their word, but that's all I have to go by. I am uncomfortable with the amount of credibility that he is being given. OK, maybe I was a little hyperbolic in that "myths and legends" crack, but I do think that his insights and opinions are being treated with more seriousness than they deserve.
I really don't see much difference between giving JTP's opinions more credence than I do Paris Hilton or Madonna's.
All of which are more reliable than all of CNN, MSNBC, NYT, LA Times, etc. etc.
/but that's just me...
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albusteve Mon, Jan 12, 2009 10:42:56am |
re: #597 Iron Fist
She's definately thrown away any remaining hopes of winning the Presidency. Either she will be a success as Sec State (in which case Obama will take all the credit) or she will fail (in which case she will get all the blame). Neither one is particularly useful for helping her make it over the hurdles she failed to clear this time around. I have to confess, I don't understand why she took the Sec State position. I don't see any up side to it for her.
I see it as a mortal political blunder myself....ego over enterprise
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Dustyvet Mon, Jan 12, 2009 10:44:05am |
re: #495 realwest
ROFL! Richard Simmons, Surgeon General! LOL!
Oh that's just wrong...matter of fact it's down right diabolical!
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alegrias Mon, Jan 12, 2009 10:44:12am |
re: #532 MJBrutus
Go ahead and get snippy. Excuse the hell out of me for not bowing down before your new over-night wonder-boy.
* * *
Thanks, backtstabbing Brutus, just get out of Joe the Plumber's way, no need to bow--the field of leftist "rocket scientist" degreed reporters is crowded, and I'm glad Joe cuts to the heart of the matter, though he's RANK amateur.
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alegrias Mon, Jan 12, 2009 10:47:18am |
re: #543 Nevergiveup
US State Dept: 150 Americans, family members to be evacuated from Gaza
[Link: www.jpost.com...]
I guess they never got the memo that there was a war going on?
* * *
If these GazanAmericans are there enabling with $$$ from Dearbornistan, they can stay in Gaza for all I care. Go down with the ship I say.
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imogene Mon, Jan 12, 2009 10:47:28am |
Juan Cole is creeping up on the lead again at the blogger awards. Michael Totten could use some votes.
And of course vote for Charles here.
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Capitalist Tool Mon, Jan 12, 2009 10:47:43am |
re: #597 Iron Fist
She's definately thrown away any remaining hopes of winning the Presidency. Either she will be a success as Sec State (in which case Obama will take all the credit) or she will fail (in which case she will get all the blame). Neither one is particularly useful for helping her make it over the hurdles she failed to clear this time around. I have to confess, I don't understand why she took the Sec State position. I don't see any up side to it for her.
There might be a spin-off buck or two for her from Bill's likely intrusion into even more contrived profit opportunities.
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Jewels (AKA Julian) Mon, Jan 12, 2009 10:48:19am |
I planted this comment at the Joe the Plumber listed here: [Link: pajamasmedia.com...]
"A lot of our commenters really need to read the article. Sam did state that he wasn’t there to be the story, but to report on what was going on. His contempt for the MSM is at least honest, and he is asking questions which many have wondered. The fact that it makes you uncomfortable is of no interest to me personally. I’m just wondering what kind of answers he’s getting from the locals.
Really, all that he’s doing is running a internet version of a Vox Pop segement for PJTV, which typically is rough and opinionated anyway.
So he didn’t go to journalism school. Frankly, so what? I went to University for a Criminal Justice and ended up doing IT and Loans work. Was I formally trained in either? No, most of what I picked up was through Osmosis and I’m pretty happy with what I am doing.
And given what the MSM and leftist foaming-at-the-mouth prats did to his private life, I consider this Karma is the best way possible for Sam. And the worst for the cretins populating our J-schools and media outlets.
They are not needed. This is something that can be learned on-hands. It’s the way the republic’s media started. Time for back to basics.
Welcome to the New World (Dis)order"
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Texas Heathen Mon, Jan 12, 2009 10:48:45am |
re: #567 Iron Fist
I'm already on so many lists. One more isn't likely to help or hurt me. unless I can get on the mailing list for that nice man from Nigeria. You know, the one that needs me to help him smuggle $100 million out of the country for a small transaction fee...
That ones easy to get on. Just fill out any sweepstakes form and be sure to include your email.
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Outrider Mon, Jan 12, 2009 10:48:47am |
re: #597 Iron Fist
She's definately thrown away any remaining hopes of winning the Presidency. Either she will be a success as Sec State (in which case Obama will take all the credit) or she will fail (in which case she will get all the blame). Neither one is particularly useful for helping her make it over the hurdles she failed to clear this time around. I have to confess, I don't understand why she took the Sec State position. I don't see any up side to it for her.
I've wondered that ever since she was offered the position. There is no upside and all downsides. I don't see it as being of any value at a run for POTUS nor do I see the position as being any better than that of Senator, a position she was re-elected to in 2006. And she failed the people that voted for her by not completing her term instead resigning to take on the SecState position.
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lifeofthemind Mon, Jan 12, 2009 10:52:14am |
As someone with the best education around in my not so humble opinion the destruction of Sarah Palin for being a community college rube was fascinating if sickening to watch. Entirely hilarious is the same media swallowing Princess Kennedy and her sporting degrees from Radcliffe and Columbia Law.
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John Mon, Jan 12, 2009 10:52:38am |
Re: #120
Perhaps you're thinking of Mike Royko? He started out at the Daily News and switched over to the Tribune (before it went into the crapper).
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Texas Heathen Mon, Jan 12, 2009 10:52:57am |
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lifeofthemind Mon, Jan 12, 2009 10:54:26am |
re: #608 John
Re: #120
Perhaps you're thinking of Mike Royko? He started out at the Daily News and switched over to the Tribune (before it went into the crapper).
All that mattered to Royko was that he didn't have to change his barstool at the Billy Goat tavern.
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ROPMA Mon, Jan 12, 2009 11:04:37am |
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Sunlight Mon, Jan 12, 2009 11:07:17am |
I've heard rumbles that some of the Israeli bloggers feel like they could do the job that PJ media sends other people to do from the U.S. One of the only things I have held onto from all the New Age reading I did in the 80s is the concept of Prosperity Thinking. That theory holds that there is enough for all and that the more there is, the more there is. Kind of like when they built the 20-theater complexes and introduced movies on VHS/DVD and everybody thought all of them would go out of business. Actually, the opposite happened and the movie industry boomed (until they became part of the 503 for the dems and put out a preponderance of lowlife libertine movies).
So to Joe tPl, I would suggest calling a meeting of all bloggers in Rehovot or TA or something and introduce each one on PJ so that when you aren't over there, you can interview them remotely for a broadcast. They are already doing that with Allison Kaplan Sommer and Caroline Glick (columnist). There are a bunch more contributing so much (including some on reserve active call up!), like Aussie Dave at Israellycool, Carl in Jerusalem, Imshin not a fish, the guys at Muqata, and more! No bickering, work together, and let Joe the Plumber draw the kind of attention to Israel's home front under rocket fire as they cure cancer (get Joe to go to some of the high tech places with you , Israelis! Calling Israel 21C). The MSM refuses to show the fabulous way Israel has kept blooming...
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Roses Mon, Jan 12, 2009 11:07:57am |
1. I was hoping there was an embed code for this.
2. I wouldn't write Joe off as biased necessarily - this is a first report, and having a core belief to report from is not a bad thing. - Subsequent reports could include interviews with REAL Palestinians about what they have to live under as a result of THEIR OWN leaders - and you might find that the truth is they aren't happy with Hamas, but feel trapped, that they know and like Israelis, things like that that the MSM stopped reporting on when they decided they hate Bush.
There was a report years ago of a summer camp with equal numbers of Palestinian and Israeli kids, they wanted the world to know that they CAN get along, that they are not that different - there was HOPE for the world back then, until the MSM decided to paint a different picture, a picture of hate.
That's the way I see it - and I guess, in that light, that if joe the Plumber is 'biased' in favor of telling a fair story about the israeli side to balance out the hateful MSM message, that's a good thing.
Telling the story, showing this side, is valid and important.
3. No one in this nation would tolerate more than a few rockets being lobbed into our cities without a full scale retaliation. (I have to say a few because, though it shouldn't take more than one, we have become a nation that is asleep at the wheel.
end rant. :)
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hous bin pharteen Mon, Jan 12, 2009 11:12:38am |
Mark Steyn hits the nail on the head of what we are up against. And we now have a new president that we don't have to worry about since he didn't go to church and be taught Jew hatred. [Link: www.ocregister.com...]
His pastor "[Link: abcnews.go.com...]
"We have supported state terrorism against the Palestinians and black South Africans, and now we are indignant because the stuff we have done overseas is now brought right back to our own front yards. America's chickens are coming home to roost,"
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J.S. Mon, Jan 12, 2009 11:35:58am |
re: #591 yma o hyd
yep...if you encounter an obvious propagandistic lie -- people, if they have the time, etc., should complain, demand an explanation -- as with this latest hospital fiasco with CNN (I haven't stopped watching/paying for cable tv -- CNN is bundled in this "package" deal, so I do tune in to CNN -- I believe in Canada, in the future, people will have greater freedom to select individual channels -- as opposed to being signed up to these "packages", then I could drop CNN...)
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Muadib Mon, Jan 12, 2009 11:43:13am |
Joe's a natural. Give those marxist bastards in the MSM a boot to the head.
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kansas Mon, Jan 12, 2009 11:43:27am |
re: #581 MJBrutus
It is an ASSumption to take people at their word, but that's all I have to go by. I am uncomfortable with the amount of credibility that he is being given. OK, maybe I was a little hyperbolic in that "myths and legends" crack, but I do think that his insights and opinions are being treated with more seriousness than they deserve.
I really don't see much difference between giving JTP's opinions more credence than I do Paris Hilton or Madonna's.
Did I miss Paris and Madonna from Sderot? You schmuck.
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kansas Mon, Jan 12, 2009 11:44:20am |
Didn't Puke Cannon say these missiles were benign?
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Kosh's Shadow Mon, Jan 12, 2009 11:46:47am |
re: #578 alegrias
* * *
Hey, hey--we were once Conquistadors of America & Proud Of It...though must apologize for it ever since...
The Spaniards of today aren't what they were back then.
The Madrid train bombings changed the election results and got the Spanish troops pulled out of Iraq, even though the bombings were planned years earlier and were about getting Andalusia back for the Muslims.
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MJBrutus Mon, Jan 12, 2009 11:48:23am |
re: #616 ploome hineni
how about Barney Frank? Chris DOdd? Kuchinik? Joe Biden? John FUCKING Kerry?
Caroline Kennedy, and our sociaist POS Nobama?
these fools mentioned above are even more corrupt, self serving putzes than Joe the Plumber
JTP isn't a corrupt, self-serving putz at all. Which puts him in an entirely different category from those others. I'm not down on the guy, although from the reaction I've gotten from some folks around here you would think I was stomping on the flag or something.
I just have a problem with the way others have taken him with much more seriousness than I think we should.
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Muadib Mon, Jan 12, 2009 11:49:40am |
re: #620 kansas
Nothing benign about a couple of kilograms of high explosives launched into the air and configured to detonate on impact.
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LGoPs Mon, Jan 12, 2009 12:10:09pm |
re: #408 Iron Fist
That's certainly the way it's worked for gasoline, isn't it? They wanted high prices to discourage consumption, and now want to raise the gas tax because consumption is down. And these folks intend to manage the entire US economy for the next four years.
Their entire philosophy is 'Heads I win, Tails you lose'. Wonderful godammed philosophy - you never have to answer for anything. Global Warming being questioned because the data actually shows it's cooling......no problemo......cooling is a sign of warming or some such horseshit.
What amazes me is that they keep getting away with this shit......but I'm hoping not forever. Eventually the sane ones among us will wake up, organize and then there will be a reckoning.
I am encouraged by the fact that despite the ever growing onslought of liberalism in every aspect of our culture for going on 30+ years now....there is still close to half of us that don't buy their shit. And I think that half is solid and provides a strong base to grow the resistance from........
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mean Gene Mon, Jan 12, 2009 12:43:57pm |
Didn't Bono come out and admit that same thing as that?
re: #514 yma o hydVia The Muqata:
Ending the West's Proxy War Against Israel
Stop funding a Palestinian youth bulge, and the fighting will stop too.
Recently he said something to the effect that all of the fighting was done by guys born from fighters who would not have had children IF he and his had not FED them!
IF they'd have had to scrounge for food, even if it meant killing someone else to take his, the whole fighting thing would have been over and done with by now.
But ''we'' (Don't include me!) gave them ''free time'' to screw, so they did that instead of finding food or working.
(I know there's got to still be a live link to what he said and how he put it somewhere out there.)
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J'accuzzi Mon, Jan 12, 2009 1:26:31pm |
Reuters journalists? Pretty rare find. Never met anyone who has seen a real one. Hope he got pictures.
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descolada9 Mon, Jan 12, 2009 1:53:29pm |
Not polished and smooth, but I have to say that I like the roughness and honesty that Joe has been bringing.
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goldthimble Mon, Jan 12, 2009 8:21:27pm |
I wanna see but have to register...any suggestions besides registering?
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Aye Pod Tue, Jan 13, 2009 7:16:47am |
CRINGE! I got as far as the bit where he confronted the MSM journalists before having to switch off. There's more at stake here than JTP's ego - he's not the man for this job.
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Yashmak Tue, Jan 13, 2009 7:51:09am |
re: #629 Jimmah
CRINGE! I got as far as the bit where he confronted the MSM journalists before having to switch off. There's more at stake here than JTP's ego - he's not the man for this job.
I was afraid of that. He appeared totally ill-prepared in the interview clips I saw prior to his departure for Israel.
re: #620 kansas
Didn't Puke Cannon say these missiles were benign?
I think he said that they killed 'hardly anyone'. To which, a reader here smartly responded "So Buchanen would be ok with someone taking pot-shots at him with a rifle, as long as that person had shitty aim?"
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