New York Times Claims Credit for LGF Story

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In his latest excuse for the New York Times’ biased coverage, “public editor” Clark Hoyt casually claims that a Times reporter unmasked a fake Iranian missile photo.

Witty and his colleagues are frustrated because Israel has barred journalists from entering Gaza, and although The Times has two photographers in the region ready to go, it must rely on pictures taken by Palestinian photographers. “When I can’t have my own person there, I have to question every picture that comes in — to an obsessive degree,” he said. Last summer, Witty unmasked as a fake a photo of an Iranian missile test that ran on many other front pages.

Uh, no. We’ve been through this before, and the New York Times did not break this story. We did.

See:
A Memo to Fox News and the New York Times.
Iran’s Photoshopped Missile Launch.

UPDATE at 1/12/09 3:58:05 pm:

A couple of readers forwarded a response:

Thank you for writing and for calling to my attention the claim by the Little Green Footballs blog that it was the first to discover that the photo of the Iranian missile test had been faked.

I inquired further into this matter, and here is what I found: According to Patrick Witty, the photo editor I quoted in Sunday’s public editor column, the photo in question came into the system at The Times at 12:01:29 p.m. on July 9. It was subsequently published on the newspaper’s Web site, and Witty said he planned to use it in the next morning’s printed newspaper. But he said that something struck him as unusual about the picture — it was just too perfect — so he opened it in Photoshop and determined that it was a fake. He said he notified the Web photo editor at about 4 p.m. to take the picture down immediately and then went into the news meeting, in progress, to tell the photo director that the picture was a fraud and shouldn’t be used in the next day’s paper.

Witty said he called AFP at about 6 p.m. to tell them the picture was not genuine, but the wire service refused to send out a correction. The Times published a story about the fake the next morning.

Looking at screen grabs from nytimes.com, my assistant determined that the photo and an accompanying story were posted on the site at 3:13 p.m. on July 9. By 4:31 p.m., the photo was gone. According to the Little Green Footballs site, its story about the fake photo was posted at 6:13:47 PDT on July 9, which would be 9:13 p.m., New York time, or not quite five hours after the photo had been removed from The Times’s site. Witty said he was not aware of the posting by Little Green Footballs, and the time stamps verify his statement.

I’ve encountered a number of these claims before by bloggers. As you know, the Web is a huge universe that is virtually impossible for any single news organization to monitor. Sometimes stories break in more than one place at a time, and one originating site is not aware that information it has published has appeared elsewhere at roughly the same time. In this case, I think it is pretty clear that The Times took corrective action on the photo, based on its own independent analysis, long before Little Green Footballs published its account.

I hope this helps.

Sincerely,

Clark Hoyt
Public Editor
The New York Times

Mr. Hoyt is moving the goalposts. The claim was that LGF broke the story, not that we were the first in the world, chronologically, to notice the fakery. They may have noticed the fraud and removed the photo from their site, but Hoyt himself says the Times didn’t publish about it until the next morning. The original article said Witty had “unmasked” the fake photo, but since LGF was first to publish, that claim is not correct.

Publish or perish. Our point stands.

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298 comments
1 jwb7605  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 10:33:50am

Hope you're making big bucks from the NYT, Charles.
Are you afraid of getting laid off?

2 Outrider  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 10:34:09am

Hypocrites!

3 lifeofthemind  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 10:34:19am

Charles, You couldn't have the Ties only listens to people they lunch with and you are definitely not on the list.

4 [deleted]  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 10:34:24am
5 [deleted]  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 10:34:26am
6 debutaunt  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 10:35:03am

It's too funny!

7 faraway  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 10:35:10am

Charles. why are you shocked that the NYT lies?

8 Dianna  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 10:36:11am

They always pretend they know what they're doing.

9 oronpam  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 10:36:16am

Why should we expect any integrity from the NYT now or ever

10 Kragar  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 10:36:16am

LAWYER UP!

11 Golem Akbar  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 10:36:24am

/We (NYT) did it first...yeah, that's the ticket.

12 jwb7605  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 10:36:34am

On the upside, a "major newspaper" just officially challenged a "major network".
As far as I'm concerned, the original goal was to get 'national exposure'.

Mission Accomplished, Charles
/George Bush
(I hope nobody heard that)

13 bellamags  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 10:36:34am

What a bunch of turds

14 Spider Mensch  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 10:36:58am

don't expect a retraction from that group. they print lies everyday and their elitist liberal readership take it as fact...no one is as blind to the truth as a loyal nyt reader.

15 Lynn B.  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 10:37:31am

The NYT ... no hole deep enough.

They take a licking and keep on digging.

16 debutaunt  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 10:37:35am

The sincerest form of ripping off Charles.

17 x-wing  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 10:37:36am

Birds are starting to wonder whether that paper is still worthy to shit on.

18 Ringo the Gringo  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 10:37:38am
Uh, no. We’ve been through this before, and the New York Times did not break this story. We did.

Well that may be true Charles, but you didn't go to journalism school, so it doesn't count.

19 Hooray for Captain Spaulding  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 10:38:07am

Esto es EL COLMO!

NTY = slime at the bottom of the barrel

20 F451  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 10:38:08am

Everybody knows blogs don't do any original reporting! Didn't some columnist at a newspaper say just that last week?

21 JammieWearingFool  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 10:38:11am

Breaking news: Clark Hoyt has zero credibility.

Someone send him the link to this.

22 Mich-again  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 10:38:16am

Only professional journalists are allowed to officially break a story in the MSM. Any investigative work done prior to the arrival on the scene of the professional journalist is akin to a monkey banging on a keyboard. If he types an actual sentence it was pure luck.

Just so you all understand how they think.

23 Bloodnok  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 10:38:39am

Last summer, Witty, unmasked as a fake, found a photo of an Iranian missile test that had already ran on many other front pages.

Fixed

24 Golem Akbar  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 10:38:40am

Well, Charles, first of all, this proves the Times does read (lurks) LGF. So they know what you do, and what your readers know. Yes, they should give you the credit, but they aren't as dumb as their editors appear.

25 zato  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 10:39:19am

And the Times also unmasked Dan Rather's fake memos. What a lovely newspaper; what would we do without this beacon of truth?

26 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 10:39:28am

Credibility and the NYT....a world class oxymoron.

27 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 10:40:31am

Fakin' plagiarism.

28 ThinkRight  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 10:41:06am

LGF is not relevant
So we can take credit for everything they produce

/NYT off
On the other hand
Benchmarking is a great compliment

29 Outrider  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 10:41:52am

re: #25 zato

And the Times also unmasked Dan Rather's fake memos. What a lovely newspaper; what would we do without this beacon of truth?

line the birdcage with the "Penny Saver" instead?

30 Golem Akbar  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 10:41:56am

And, on the plus side, if the Times is reading LGF, then other media must be reading it, as well. And they must know where the Times gets their information. You are making a significant impact.

31 jemima  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 10:42:04am

This should embarrass them but it won't.

32 wrenchwench  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 10:42:09am

Typical.

33 tokyobk  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 10:42:15am

Dear Public Editor:

Little Green Footballs, the blog, spotted the fake Iranian picture first and broke the story, not the NYT.

I am glad you are confessing your interest in "breaking paradigms." It is that very quest for totally balanced reporting on two equally good and equally bad sides which makes it impossible for a paper like yours to arrive at the truth which is never balanced or equal between parties, one of whom is probably right and one wrong.

Tokyobk

34 lifeofthemind  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 10:42:35am

Time to send Lawyers Guns and Money

35 jwb7605  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 10:42:36am

re: #24 Golem Akbar

Well, Charles, first of all, this proves the Times does read (lurks) LGF. So they know what you do, and what your readers know. Yes, they should give you the credit, but they aren't as dumb as their editors appear.

Actually, it doesn't prove that.
It proves the Times may have seen a Pajamas Media, Instapundit or/via Hot Air article, all of which contained references to LGF as the source.

That would prove the Times ignores sources, unless the source is "unidentified". Since this isn't "unidentified", there was simply no reference.

36 Bloodnok  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 10:42:39am

re: #27 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Fakin' plagiarism.

Announcement: Biden rules are in effect. That is all.

37 Taqiyyotomist  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 10:42:53am

Does the NYT have a comments section on the site?

38 opnion  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 10:43:12am

They can claim journalistic integrity, but they have given it up.

39 faraway  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 10:43:26am

Real journalist: liar, bigot, thief, terror sympathizer, spiller of state secrets

Joe is not a real journalist after all.

40 ThinkRight  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 10:43:37am

When they ripoff the blogs they have a 100% chance of getting the story accurate

41 Oh no...Sand People!  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 10:43:39am

Charles, I didn't know you worked at the NY Times!?
/

42 Taqiyyotomist  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 10:43:50am

re: #37 Taqiyyotomist

Duh. Why the hell would they have a comments section, where people could challenge their pravda? Sorry for the idiotic question. Brain fart.

43 F451  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 10:43:53am

Why, I was right! That was Michael Goldfarb at the 'Weekly Standard,' seconded by Matt Yglesias at 'Think Progress.' So it must be true...

44 realwest  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 10:43:55am

OK, 'fess up - how many of us were surprised that the NYSlimes did this? Anyone?
They can't go bankrupt fast enough for me.

45 Golem Akbar  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 10:44:33am

re: #35 jwb7605

Actually, it doesn't prove that.
It proves the Times may have seen a Pajamas Media, Instapundit or/via Hot Air article, all of which contained references to LGF as the source.

That would prove the Times ignores sources, unless the source is "unidentified". Since this isn't "unidentified", there was simply no reference.


Of course we don't know, for sure, but it does prove that Charles is being read by more than just the Lizards. Ripples!

46 davinvalkri  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 10:44:44am

re: #5 ploome hineni

CAN WE SUE?

Any lawyers over here willing to make a case? LGF v. The New York Times, Fox News, et al.?

47 So?  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 10:45:25am

re: #4 buzzsawmonkey

And, while the NYT is hovering near bankruptcy, LGF, one presumes, is not.

Yeah, moral bankruptcy.

48 kywrite  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 10:45:30am

Unbelievable. I hope you've already contacted them to correct their error -- and if they don't, I'd contact the Post or someone like that to let them know that now the Times is ripping off credit because they're too dumb/lame/lazy/biased/whatever to do their own work properly. I'm sure this is not the only "mistake" they've made. Their own fault for firing the fact-checking teams first.

49 Golem Akbar  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 10:45:47am

re: #44 realwest

OK, 'fess up - how many of us were surprised that the NYSlimes did this? Anyone?
They can't go bankrupt fast enough for me.


I'm pleased that they did print it. Not pleased that they took credit, but it proves that somewhere, somehow, the truth has gotten out. This is very significant.

50 Dustyvet  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 10:46:00am

re: #9 oronpam

Why should we expect any integrity from the NYT now or ever

Nope!

51 realwest  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 10:46:13am

re: #38 opnion
Hey my friend, the NYSlimes gave up any pretence
of journalistic integrity a long,long time ago.

52 MandyManners  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 10:46:19am

If I weren't refraining from cussing, I'd call him a fucking thief.

53 So?  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 10:46:24am

re: #8 Dianna

They always pretend they know what they're doing.

And people pretend they're an actual news source.

54 Opinionated  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 10:46:37am

All the Credit that's fit to Steal.

55 Racer X  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 10:46:39am

Now a major newspaper is taking credit for a story broken by a guy in his pajamas sitting at a computer.

We report, you plagiarize.

The MSM is just sad. Worthless and sad.

56 SummerSong  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 10:46:43am

Another swirl around the bowl before the final flush...

You are dead to me NYT.

57 faraway  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 10:47:04am

Don't you guys get it?

We don't exist.

58 [deleted]  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 10:47:08am
59 Oh no...Sand People!  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 10:47:20am

re: #9 oronpam

Why should we expect any integrity from the NYT now or ever

I think Lil Pinch is on the ground in Gaza fighting for Hamas alongside Kofi Annan.
/

60 albusteve  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 10:47:31am

re: #30 Golem Akbar

And, on the plus side, if the Times is reading LGF, then other media must be reading it, as well. And they must know where the Times gets their information. You are making a significant impact.

they are all here...I'd bet my bottom dollar on it...

61 x-wing  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 10:47:46am

re: #52 MandyManners

If I weren't refraining from cussing, I'd call him a fucking thief.

I understand. And thank you for your restraint ;>}

/

62 realwest  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 10:47:59am

re: #49 Golem Akbar
Actually you're correct my friend. It is significant that this has gotten out.
But it is also significant as to HOW it got out. The NYSlimes just doing what it does best: lie.

63 Bloodnok  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 10:48:09am

re: #44 realwest

OK, 'fess up - how many of us were surprised that the NYSlimes did this? Anyone?
They can't go bankrupt fast enough for me.

At $6.86 a share it won't be long.

64 mikalm  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 10:48:27am

Hey NYT -- how does it feel to be the lumbering dinosaur, whose eggs are being eaten by the tiny, fast-moving shrews of the blogosphere? Prepare for extinction, you pompous twits.

65 [deleted]  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 10:48:29am
66 Jr Ewing  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 10:48:31am

Can LFG sue NYT?

67 jwb7605  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 10:48:41am

re: #49 Golem Akbar

I'm pleased that they did print it. Not pleased that they took credit, but it proves that somewhere, somehow, the truth has gotten out. This is very significant.

Exactly.

68 Miss Molly  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 10:48:47am

The New York Times is such an embarassment to everyone except to themselves. Maybe even they will notice when their doors close because no one wants that newspaper anymore.

69 Dr. Shalit  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 10:48:48am

re: #5 ploome hineni

CAN WE SUE?

"ploomie" -

My thoughts exactly.

-S-

70 davinvalkri  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 10:48:49am

re: #55 Racer X

Now a major newspaper is taking credit for a story broken by a guy in his pajamas sitting at a computer.

We report, you plagiarize.

The MSM is just sad. Worthless and sad.

So, what was that four and a half years ago about "journalists with layers of fact checking" being superior to "some guy on his computer in his pajamas?"
Seriously, these morons SUCK!

71 yma o hyd  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 10:48:54am

Wonder how long it'll take them to claim credit for outing the fake CNN video.

///

72 realwest  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 10:49:18am

re: #52 MandyManners
Thank goodness for your restraint! LOL!
But I feel no such compunctions: he is a fucking thief and he can go piss up a fucking rope, too!
:)

73 So?  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 10:49:23am

re: #58 buzzsawmonkey

Yeah, I understood that. :)

74 Golem Akbar  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 10:49:38am

re: #56 SummerSong

Another swirl around the bowl before the final flush...

You are dead to me NYT.


Hate to be contrary, but consider how much influence the Times still has. Printing this story, even if it was ripped off Charles' blog, is going to have a lot of impact, worldwide. Somehow, LGF will eventually be recognized for it's impact, and Charles' genius (you're not to read this, Mr. J) will be seen. I don't think it's all bad.

75 Jr Ewing  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 10:49:40am

I would donate some $$ for the lawyers ;)

76 jwb7605  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 10:49:53am

re: #63 Bloodnok

At $6.86 a share it won't be long.

This actually could run the share price UP.
irony.

77 realwest  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 10:50:09am

re: #70 davinvalkri
OH, ROTFL! I'd actually forgotten that one! Thankew!

78 faraway  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 10:50:10am

re: #63 Bloodnok

At $6.86 a share it won't be long.

86% drop in market value in 5 years.

79 Salamantis  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 10:50:12am

I'll bet, though, that if Charles took some of their discoveries and posted them as his own without attribution, they'd be all over it.

/Not that they have all that much worth reposting, anyway - either cited or otherwise.

80 mikalm  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 10:50:21am

re: #64 mikalm

Hey NYT -- how does it feel to be the lumbering dinosaur, whose eggs are being eaten by the tiny, fast-moving shrews of the blogosphere? Prepare for extinction, you pompous twits.

...and that's as close as I'll ever get to an ID/Evolution-related statement on LGF!

81 [deleted]  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 10:50:22am
82 Oh no...Sand People!  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 10:50:23am

I just can't wait till the NYT gets bailed out. I will take much pride in knowing that the government is forcing me to pay for what I willingly would never pay for.

///////

83 albusteve  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 10:50:42am

re: #69 Dr. Shalit

"ploomie" -

My thoughts exactly.

-S-

sue on what grounds?....

84 subsailor68  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 10:51:13am

Speaking of Pinch and the boys, saw part of a documentary on the relaunch of Le Cirque restaurant in NYC. The fawning over morons like Pinch, Woody Allen, and so on was absolutely nauseating.

Superficial, useless, arrogant a-holes standing around waiting for someone to kiss their ass. And thinking anyone outside NY would give a crap what they thought. Of Le Cirque or anything else.

85 kynna  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 10:51:15am

They're just so blatant about it. They realize that their readers don't really care all that much about the truth, so it's hard for those they steal credit from to get the truth out.

I despise the NY Times. My f-i-l gets it and loves it and he's so saddened by the financial downturn of his favorite paper because "it would be a shame to lose a national tradition like the NY Times."

And there is NO WAY I'm going to convince him that they stole credit on this. If anything, I might hear him say something inane like, "they probably both realized it was fake at the same time."

86 yma o hyd  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 10:51:39am

re: #80 mikalm

Heh - I liked it: positive image of shrews, good to see!

:-)

87 Taqiyyotomist  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 10:52:19am

re: #57 faraway

Don't you guys get it?

We don't exist.

Yes we do. You'll see that they know this as they attempt to shut us down, sometime in the next couple years.

88 Outrider  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 10:52:21am

re: #52 MandyManners

If I weren't refraining from cussing, I'd call him a fucking thief.

be interesting to see what you would print if you were not refraining. ;-)>

89 Dustyvet  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 10:52:23am

re: #62 realwest

Actually you're correct my friend. It is significant that this has gotten out.
But it is also significant as to HOW it got out. The NYSlimes just doing what it does best: lie.

Captain Renault: Major Strasser has been shot. Round up the usual suspects.

90 Golem Akbar  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 10:52:27am

re: #75 Jr Ewing

I would donate some $$ for the lawyers ;)


Put your bucks in the LGF tip jar. Let's show the Times and other copycat media something really important for their focus: worldwide Islamic Terrorism.

91 So?  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 10:52:52am

/Maybe LGF should return the favor and steal one of their articles.

92 MandyManners  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 10:52:53am

re: #61 x-wing

I understand. And thank you for your restraint ;>}

/

Any time.

93 SFGoth  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 10:53:00am

NYT couldn't break this story because it violates their worldview.

94 MandyManners  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 10:53:24am

re: #72 realwest

Thank goodness for your restraint! LOL!
But I feel no such compunctions: he is a fucking thief and he can go piss up a fucking rope, too!
:)

Well, now that I think about it, DITTO.

95 mikalm  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 10:53:28am

re: #86 yma o hyd

Heh - I liked it: positive image of shrews, good to see!

:-)

Well, "rats" and "vermin" sound kind of nasty. And I know Dianna doesn't like possums, so I passed on "marsupials", too! :-)

96 faraway  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 10:53:45am

re: #87 Taqiyyotomist

Yes we do. You'll see that they know this as they attempt to shut us down, sometime in the next couple years.

Sorry, I don't always add my sarc

97 So?  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 10:54:12am

When was the last time the NYT actually broke their own story?

98 Kragar  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 10:54:16am

OT

Did the Israelis take over the Gazacam? All I seem to get there now is Israeli talking heads.

99 MandyManners  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 10:54:28am

re: #88 Outrider

be interesting to see what you would print if you were not refraining. ;-)>

The same. Or, maybe what RW posted in No. 72.

100 Bloodnok  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 10:55:00am

re: #78 faraway

86% drop in market value in 5 years.

I'd like to make that chart into a poster.

101 Dustyvet  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 10:55:07am

re: #97 So?

When was the last time the NYT actually broke their own story?

June 6th, 1805, give or take ten years...

102 MandyManners  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 10:55:14am

re: #98 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

OT

Did the Israelis take over the Gazacam? All I seem to get there now is Israeli talking heads.

re: #254 opinionated

I think they do care. I believe all three I cited -and those like them- take pleasure in Jewish suffering. And outrage at Jewish response.

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

103 tokyobk  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 10:55:24am

At least the Times editor is on the record for trying to norm the outcome of Hamas culture and Israeli culture. That is the problem.

104 jwb7605  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 10:55:43am

re: #83 albusteve

sue on what grounds?....

This morning I sent Charles an e-mail on the Joe-the-plumber video, and posted a link in the overnight thread. (not in that order)

Not too long after that, Charles' Joe the Plumber topic appeared, and I checked for a 'hat tip'.
Didn't get one.
I will NOT accuse Charles of ignoring me, since he probably saw the PJM article before he checked his e-mail. That's my routine.

There are various and sundry ways to get public links, and not getting it by somebody's preferred trail is not a sueable offense. I'm just glad Charles' original work made it this far.

And, by the way, the NYT should actually be crediting Last Mohican.

105 MandyManners  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 10:55:45am

re: #98 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

OT

Did the Israelis take over the Gazacam? All I seem to get there now is Israeli talking heads.

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

106 subsailor68  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 10:56:19am

re: #101 Dustyvet

June 6th, 1805, give or take ten years...

I think it was a few years later:

"Jews Claim British Burn White House."

107 lifeofthemind  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 10:56:30am

Problem with suing the NYT is that the paper is worth nothing. The real estate is tied up in legal layers and trusts. The real valuable assets are the forests in Canada.

108 wrenchwench  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 10:56:44am

From the top link:

The intensity of the criticism is no surprise. “It isn’t just a war,” said Nicholas Lemann, dean of the graduate school of journalism at Columbia University. “It’s a media war. Public opinions outside the region are very important, and they’re shaped by the press coverage.”

I guess in that case, the NYT feels that all is fair...

109 Bubbaman  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 10:56:46am

I've got to tell you the underground Lizard army has done more investigative journalism than all of the knucklehead journalists who are paid "professionals".

110 ThinkRight  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 10:56:55am

re: #97 So?

When was the last time the NYT actually broke their own story?

That was when Glass was pencil whipping stories

111 CIA Reject  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 10:56:58am

Why of all the noive!

Take 'em to court!

112 Outrider  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 10:57:04am

re: #101 Dustyvet

June 6th, 1805, give or take ten years...

be interesting to see what news was breaking and how they were reporting it, every time there was a down spike in their subscription rate.

113 Taqiyyotomist  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 10:57:05am

re: #91 So?

/Maybe LGF should return the favor and steal one of their articles.

re: #79 Salamantis

I'll bet, though, that if Charles took some of their discoveries and posted them as his own without attribution, they'd be all over it.

The only thing I see wrong about this: all the NYT "scoops" are leaks of sensitive, national security-destroying leaks from within Republican administrations. I don't want Charles posting THAT.

114 x-wing  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 10:57:06am

re: #98 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

OT

Did the Israelis take over the Gazacam? All I seem to get there now is Israeli talking heads.

Did you see the music videos earlier this a.m.? They showed a girl on the beach in a bikini. I wondered if they were trying to stir the jihadis up or something.

115 Kragar  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 10:57:17am

re: #102 MandyManners

Damn. How can I check on the rooster then?

116 yma o hyd  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 10:57:19am

re: #95 mikalm

Well, "rats" and "vermin" sound kind of nasty. And I know Dianna doesn't like possums, so I passed on "marsupials", too! :-)

It was spot on, evolution-wise: its the little ancestors of today's shrew who also were the ancestors of the primates and us, and they were contemporaneous with the dinosaurs.

Sorry for that OT excursion into ID/Evolution territory!

117 realwest  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 10:57:20am

re: #74 Golem Akbar
Well I again find myself agreeing with you in part and disagreeing in part: I seriously doubt that the NY Times has the clout - or anything like the clout - it used to have. But yes, this story, thanks to Charles, will come out and Charles will get the credit he so richly deserves and the NYT will be embarrassed again.
So it's all good!

118 faraway  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 10:57:22am

re: #100 Bloodnok

I'd like to make that chart into a poster.

Looks like the patient (NYT) may only have 5 more years to live. May need some HamasCPR.

119 Oh no...Sand People!  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 10:57:34am

re: #109 Bubbaman

I've got to tell you the underground Lizard army has done more investigative journalism than all of the knucklehead journalists who are paid "professionals".

And all I get is my measly Zionist Paycheck...but I'll take it.

120 lawhawk  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 10:57:37am

Memo to Clark Hoyt and the editors of the New York Times.

You do have the opportunity to break a real story that no blogger can actually do, because you had your reporters who were in Shifa Hospital. They were in a position to ask questions at Shifa Hospital about who was on the payroll, what Mads Gilbert was doing, and why he seemed to have more time to mug for cameras than he did for providing actual medical care, and provide a case history for the victim that appeared on the bogus video tape.

They chose not to, or weren't able to because doing so might get the Hamas minders upset. That too would have been a story worth reporting - that your reporters were unable to get the real story precisely because Hamas was controlling the situation at the hospital. Instead, we got silence.

It would be nice if you follow up on that particular aspect given that it is agitprop theater that anyone who took CPR could recognize (I certainly did), and those with medical training could see all the problems with the "treatment" that would be considered medical malpractice just about anywhere else in the world.

Instead, we get misappropriation of credit for debunking stories from last year. Classy.

It helps explain why the NYT company's entire net worth is based not on the business operations of the company but on the shiny HQ real estate in Midtown. Your reporting adds no value, and one could make a reasonable argument that the Times' reporting actually harms the value of its real estate holdings.

121 FredWM  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 10:57:52am

Look, this is very simple: You and I don't count. When the Times says it broke a story, it doesn't mean that no one on the entire planet knew of the story. Obviously, someone had to know in order to tell Times. It just means that no one of any consequence knew the story. Did the London Times know the story? Did the Washington Post know the story? Did the LA Times or CBS know the story? No. So they are right, and you are wrong. Next time do not question your betters.

122 Silhouette  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 10:58:10am

This week in the news, the NYT discovers penicillin, finds the lost tomb of King Tut, and invents tartar control toothpaste.

123 albusteve  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 10:58:28am

I don't think there is grounds for a lawsuit...but it would be nice if Dennis Prager gave Charles some airtime to bitchslap the NYT

124 Outrider  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 10:58:31am

re: #112 Outrider

be interesting to see what news was breaking and how they were reporting it, every time there was a down spike in their subscription rate.

That was supposed to have been a response to comment #100

I'd like to make that chart into a poster.

Took a brief trip into the twilight zone.

125 Racer X  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 10:58:33am

re: #102 MandyManners

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

That poor rooster!

126 [deleted]  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 10:58:45am
127 mikalm  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 10:58:58am

re: #116 yma o hyd

It was spot on, evolution-wise: its the little ancestors of today's shrew who also were the ancestors of the primates and us, and they were contemporaneous with the dinosaurs.

Sorry for that OT excursion into ID/Evolution territory!

Quite all right. And I wanted to mention opossums because they were contemporaneous with the dinos, like cockroaches and sharks.

128 Dianna  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 10:59:04am

re: #95 mikalm

Thanks for sparing me the mental image of the opossum!

We've got this huge one that struts along the back fence. Ugh!

129 faraway  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 10:59:10am

re: #115 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Damn. How can I check on the rooster then?

I miss me some rooster. Calling Mitt for his varmint gun.

130 jwb7605  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 10:59:26am

re: #122 Silhouette

This week in the news, the NYT discovers penicillin, finds the lost tomb of King Tut, and invents tartar control toothpaste.

The NYT was instrumental in the development and distribution of flouridated drinking water.
///bet you didn't know that ...

131 mikalm  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 11:00:00am

re: #128 Dianna

Thanks for sparing me the mental image of the opossum!

We've got this huge one that struts along the back fence. Ugh!

Awwww, how cute! :-)

132 realwest  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 11:00:09am

re: #99 MandyManners
Why thankew! You were my inspiration for that! I've enjoyed your unique way of expressing yourself for a long time now!

133 [deleted]  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 11:00:20am
134 CIA Reject  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 11:00:30am

re: #121 FredWM

Look, this is very simple: You and I don't count. When the Times says it broke a story, it doesn't mean that no one on the entire planet knew of the story. Obviously, someone had to know in order to tell Times. It just means that no one of any consequence knew the story. Did the London Times know the story? Did the Washington Post know the story? Did the LA Times or CBS know the story? No. So they are right, and you are wrong. Next time do not question your betters.

Sounds right. Like the Hollywood moonbat (can't remember her name) who couldn't believe that Richard Nixon had been re-elected (by a landslide) in 1972 because "Nobody *I* know voted for him..."

135 alegrias  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 11:00:31am

That NYT--and their rocket scientist--what a genius!

/sarc. Plagiarizing thieves, like Joe Biden stealing british labor leader Neal Kinnock's speeches.

136 FrogMarch  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 11:00:41am

re: #84 subsailor68

Speaking of Pinch and the boys, saw part of a documentary on the relaunch of Le Cirque restaurant in NYC. The fawning over morons like Pinch, Woody Allen, and so on was absolutely nauseating.

Superficial, useless, arrogant a-holes standing around waiting for someone to kiss their ass. And thinking anyone outside NY would give a crap what they thought. Of Le Cirque or anything else.

While the elites of NY assume the position for ass kissing - the city crumbles around them. Liberal cities and states are hitting the economic crapper box - hard.
(becasue of those oh so brilliant Barney Frank-esque pols)

137 davinvalkri  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 11:00:49am

re: #119 Oh no...Sand People!

And all I get is my measly Zionist Paycheck...but I'll take it.

I don't even get a Zionist Paycheck! Do I need to get an ombudsman to get one?

re: #120 lawhawk

Owned! If you wanted proof that the Times couldn't do investigative journalism of non-EVIL-REPUBLICAN-RAWR sources, this would be it.

138 lawhawk  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 11:01:08am

re: #130 jwb7605

The NYT was instrumental in the development and distribution of flouridated drinking water.
///bet you didn't know that ...

A foreign substance is introduced into our precious bodily fluids without the knowledge of the individual. Certainly without any choice. That's the way your hard-core Commie works.

---General Jack D. Ripper.

139 [deleted]  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 11:01:10am
140 realwest  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 11:01:35am

re: #106 subsailor68
ROTFL! That cracked me up!

141 CIA Reject  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 11:01:45am

re: #126 Iron Fist

That's the kind of Miracles Obama has in mind for the entire United States economy. Can you short an entire country?

You and I can't, but George Soros can, and has...

142 [deleted]  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 11:01:46am
143 davinvalkri  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 11:02:00am

re: #138 lawhawk

The NYT was instrumental in the development and distribution of flouridated drinking water.
///bet you didn't know that ...

A foreign substance is introduced into our precious bodily fluids without the knowledge of the individual. Certainly without any choice. That's the way your hard-core Commie works.

---General Jack D. Ripper.

Can we go nuke Russia now?

144 Fat Jolly Penguin  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 11:02:05am

re: #118 faraway

Looks like the patient (NYT) may only have 5 more years to live. May need some HamasCPR.

Holy schadenfreude. Look at the plummet just after the election.

145 Dustyvet  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 11:02:18am

re: #112 Outrider

be interesting to see what news was breaking and how they were reporting it, every time there was a down spike in their subscription rate.

A little bit of history for you regarding the MSM, and war.

[Link: www.humboldt.edu...]

146 subsailor68  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 11:02:35am

re: #136 FrogMarch

While the elites of NY assume the position for ass kissing - the city crumbles around them. Liberal cities and states are hitting the economic crapper box - hard.
(becasue of those oh so brilliant Barney Frank-esque pols)

Ain't that the truth! My financial adviser told me I should move some money into municipal bonds while the market was doing it's thing. I said, "Really? Which ones?"

147 MarineGrunt  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 11:02:38am

New York Times, not TP worthy

148 DistantThunder  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 11:02:51am

They don't care...they don't have to...they're the NYT's.

Oh, wait....they are tanking, the boat is sinking.....glub...glub...glub.....

149 jwb7605  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 11:02:56am

re: #142 Iron Fist

They're like a big, marsupial rat. Ugly and vicious. Kind of like WAB, now that I think about it :-)

WAB carries her kids in a stomach pouch? Kind of explains the dress code ...
/

150 eschew_obfuscation  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 11:03:05am

re: #109 Bubbaman

I've got to tell you the underground Lizard army has done more investigative journalism than all of the knucklehead journalists who are paid "professionals".

That's what struck me about Joe's reporting. I've never seen a story like his most recent one done by any of the professional media and Reuters was FOLLOWING HIM WHILE HE DID IT!

(he could lose a few of the 'you know's .... but I'm nit picking now).

151 [deleted]  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 11:03:18am
152 Dianna  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 11:03:27am

re: #139 buzzsawmonkey

You've got possum in terris? We should nominate you for UN representative!

You only thought Bolton was blunt.

153 lawhawk  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 11:03:28am

re: #133 Iron Fist

That's a lot more cordial than I'd be about it.

Well, I didn't exactly learn from the Dick Cheney school of political pwnage, but you're right that a good Go $@^% yourself is a wonderful palate cleanser.

154 mikalm  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 11:03:29am

Speaking of Zionist paychecks and the deep-in-the-red NYT: do you think they might be rescued by some Middle Eastern petrodollar fund, which will turn them into a blatant mouthpiece for Islamism, rather than the wimpy fount of liberal-elitist apologia they are currently?

155 tokyobk  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 11:03:31am

We are the Native Americans and the NYT is Columbus "discovering" us because we don't exist until they say so.

156 realwest  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 11:03:34am

re: #120 lawhawk
Just a great comment and link lawhawk, thanks.

157 yma o hyd  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 11:03:50am

re: #127 mikalm

Quite all right. And I wanted to mention opossums because they were contemporaneous with the dinos, like cockroaches and sharks.

Mentioning cockroaches would definitely have been out of order in the original context!

:-)

158 subsailor68  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 11:03:52am

re: #140 realwest

ROTFL! That cracked me up!

Thanks RW. If I can give you a laugh it's a good day!

:-)

159 lifeofthemind  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 11:03:53am

re: #111 CIA Reject

Why of all the noive!

Take 'em to court!

More great moments in jurisprudence, Duck Soup

160 faraway  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 11:04:07am

Charles, watch out. The NYT now has Bono. This will surely save them.

161 Taqiyyotomist  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 11:04:24am

re: #96 faraway

Sorry, I don't always add my sarc

Oh, no worry, I understood the sarcasm. They don't want something to exist (the blogosphere) and they pretend it does not. When it suits them. We will surely be the biggest threat to civilization and life itself (as if that was ever sacred to these f***s) within a few short years (months?).

They have archived every single gun thread. And every single thread about Islam. All these will be entered as evidence in the attempted shutdown of free speech. They will attempt to get the public to CLAMOR for free speech to be shut down. Look for more murderers to be apprehended, with books by Hannity found in their posession, with registrations on LGF, etc. It will happen this way. False flag. Remember, everything the wacked-out far left accuses the Right of doing, are things at which they themselves excel.

Mark my words.

162 Bloodnok  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 11:04:43am

re: #118 faraway

Looks like the patient (NYT) may only have 5 more years to live. May need some HamasCPR.


Looks like Lombard Street in SF.

163 jwb7605  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 11:04:49am

re: #150 eschew_obfuscation

That's what struck me about Joe's reporting. I've never seen a story like his most recent one done by any of the professional media and Reuters was FOLLOWING HIM WHILE HE DID IT!

(he could lose a few of the 'you know's .... but I'm nit picking now).

I think back to Katie Couric's first efforts, and the derision she got for pretty much anything she tried.

Katie still sucks, but it's no longer because of her style.

164 Mich-again  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 11:05:36am

Sulzberger is creating a diversion to help his buddy Ted Turner.

165 mikalm  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 11:05:53am

re: #157 yma o hyd

Mentioning cockroaches would definitely have been out of order in the original context!

:-)

Well, they're really crumb-catchers rather than egg-eaters. Personally, I despise the sleazy little bastards, and am glad I've only had to deal with them once or twice in my life.

166 realwest  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 11:05:55am

re: #142 Iron Fist
Now that was unkind! But I won't say to whom!

167 wrenchwench  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 11:06:19am

re: #160 faraway

Charles, watch out. The NYT now has Bono. This will surely save them.

Sheesh. They don't even fear giving off the smell of desperation. Link doesn't work, but I consider that a blessing.

168 Dianna  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 11:06:21am

re: #161 Taqiyyotomist

That seems a little paranoid, even to me.

However, while paranoids are frequently wrong, they are never disappointed.

169 experiencedtraveller  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 11:06:25am

re: #160 faraway

Charles, watch out. The NYT now has Bono. This will surely save them.

A couple of aging relics propping each other up.

170 albusteve  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 11:06:43am

re: #165 mikalm

Well, they're really crumb-catchers rather than egg-eaters. Personally, I despise the sleazy little bastards, and am glad I've only had to deal with them once or twice in my life.

palmetto bugs...please

171 winston06  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 11:07:41am

NYTimes sucks majorly. It's a horrible piece of junk news

172 Texas Heathen  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 11:07:48am

re: #160 faraway

Charles, watch out. The NYT now has Bono. This will surely save them.

Well Bono is something like 80 Courics IIRC
/south park reference

173 Winslow  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 11:07:50am

Fauxtoclone
(with apologies to Paul Simon)

When I think back on all the crap the media fed me,
It’s a wonder I still have a clue.
But Charles' exposure of Fauxtography has freed me;
This propaganda I can now see through.

Fauxtoclone
They give us those nice thick smoke trails,
And “Green Helmet” posing entrails;
Make you think all Beirut was blown away.
They got a fauxto program,
They love to make a fauxtograph.
Oh mama, please take their Fauxtoclone away.

If you took all the phony pictures propagated,
And brought them all together in one file,
You’d have a testament to treason unabated;
You’d have a monumental lying pile.

Fauxtoclone
They give us a fake construction,
They give us a staged production;
Make you think day is night, and night is day.
They’re in the fauxto business,
Disseminating fauxtographs.
Oh mama, please take their Fauxtoclone away.

And so in all the mainstream media publications,
From Reuters wires to the New York Times,
There is a flood of fauxtographic fabrications;
There is a trail of journalistic crimes.

Fauxtoclone
They give us a mocked-up missile,
They give us clean toys in rubble;
Make your heart bleed; emotions they will sway.
They run a fauxto racket,
Distributing their fauxtographs.
Oh mama, please take their Fauxtoclone away.

If you count all the times Flat Fatima’s been homeless,
And all the times the IDF’s been framed,
And all the Pallywood productions foisted on us,
You’ll realize the MSM’s to blame.

Fauxtoclone
They give us contrived depictions,
They give us misleading captions;
Make you think good is bad, and bad’s okay.
They’re fauxto-journalistas,
Subverting truth with fauxtographs.
Oh mama, please take their Fauxtoclone away.

174 Oh no...Sand People!  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 11:07:51am

re: #144 Fat Jolly Penguin

Holy schadenfreude. Look at the plummet just after the election.

"Some men just want to watch the world burn." - Alfred Pennyworth

175 realwest  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 11:08:07am

re: #170 albusteve
palmetto bugs - oh yuck! Just as I'm supposed to go to lunch, too!

176 unrealizedviewpoint  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 11:08:12am

re: #100 Bloodnok

86% drop in market value in 5 years.
I'd like to make that chart into a poster.

Charles should maybe post the chart.

177 davinvalkri  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 11:08:22am

re: #168 Dianna

That seems a little paranoid, even to me.

However, while paranoids are frequently wrong, they are never disappointed.

Raise your hands if you ever thought there was the remotest chance of your life ending up like one of those cyper-punky movies where the skillful hacker evades loads and loads of government or corporation cronies.
/tenatively raises hand.

178 mikalm  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 11:08:25am

re: #168 Dianna

That seems a little paranoid, even to me.

However, while paranoids are frequently wrong, they are never disappointed.

Paranoia has a tendency to be self-fulfilling, as well. Which is why I don't indulge my darker fears much.

179 unrealizedviewpoint  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 11:08:35am

NYT

180 Hard Right  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 11:08:39am

re: #172 Texas Heathen

Well Bono is something like 80 Courics IIRC
/south park reference

90 IIRC.

181 alegrias  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 11:09:08am

Well recently the WashPost had to merge its ComPost version with the online one.

May they both bite the dust. Don't give them any of your hard earned dollars or eyeballs.

We Will Bury Them! (With Charles Johnson's fearless leadership)

182 yma o hyd  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 11:09:08am

re: #165 mikalm

Well, they're really crumb-catchers rather than egg-eaters. Personally, I despise the sleazy little bastards, and am glad I've only had to deal with them once or twice in my life.

Yeah - thank God I only came across them in my studies ... when they were dead already.

183 Dave the.....  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 11:09:56am

I can live with Bono, but I wonder how much are they going to pay him to write this each week:

"And if the western world would only give a few more billions to x, then we would be much farther along in solving y."

Bono's heart is in the right place, but for being a billioniare, he doesn't seem to understand economics very well.

184 albusteve  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 11:10:15am

re: #175 realwest

palmetto bugs - oh yuck! Just as I'm supposed to go to lunch, too!

make sure you dont over cook them...bon appetit! bro

185 faraway  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 11:10:34am

I throw my shoe at you NYT.

186 [deleted]  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 11:10:38am
187 Oh no...Sand People!  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 11:10:53am

re: #181 alegrias

Well recently the WashPost had to merge its ComPost version with the online one.

May they both bite the dust. Don't give them any of your hard earned dollars or eyeballs.

We Will Bury Them! (With Charles Johnson's fearless leadership)

I accidently clicked an NYT link and my instincts were to throw my monitor into my birdcage.

/Don't have a birdcage.

188 sngnsgt  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 11:11:01am

re: #179 unrealizedviewpoint

Truth in advertising.

189 CIA Reject  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 11:11:13am

re: #159 lifeofthemind

Heh. That's one of my favorites- and it reminds me, I wonder if BO's foreign policy team has gotten the traditional call from the WAPO asking for their opinion on the situation in Fredonia yet?

190 unrealizedviewpoint  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 11:11:28am

re: #17 x-wing

Birds are starting to wonder whether that paper is still worthy to shit on.

What are folks going to line their cages with in 10 years?

191 Kosh's Shadow  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 11:11:29am

re: #154 mikalm

Speaking of Zionist paychecks and the deep-in-the-red NYT: do you think they might be rescued by some Middle Eastern petrodollar fund, which will turn them into a blatant mouthpiece for Islamism, rather than the wimpy fount of liberal-elitist apologia they are currently?

How would we tell the difference?

192 newsjunkie_ky  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 11:11:29am

re: #183 Dave the.....

I can live with Bono, but I wonder how much are they going to pay him to write this each week:

"And if the western world would only give a few more billions to x, then we would be much farther along in solving y."

Bono's heart is in the right place, but for being a billioniare, he doesn't seem to understand economics very well.

Doesn't he also live somewhere that he doesn't have to pay as much in TAXES? Seems like I remember reading this.

193 the_flying_pig  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 11:11:39am

New York Times is as credible as a spot-claim of "existing" jackalope somewhere in Arizona.

194 eschew_obfuscation  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 11:11:54am

re: #181 alegrias

Well recently the WashPost had to merge its ComPost version with the online one.

May they both bite the dust. Don't give them any of your hard earned dollars or eyeballs.

We Will Bury Them! (With Charles Johnson's fearless leadership)

.... And the Seattle Post Intelligencer (oxymoron if I ever heard one) is about to go under or be sold ...

195 Hard Right  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 11:12:14am

re: #192 newsjunkie_ky

Doesn't he also live somewhere that he doesn't have to pay as much in TAXES? Seems like I remember reading this.

IIRC he moved there to avoid paying as much in taxes.

196 Dustyvet  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 11:12:14am

London Muslim protesters attack police: "Run, you cowards! Kuffar!"

197 DrCruel  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 11:12:15am

Speechless. I have not had such little respect for the Old Grey Bitch since Jayson Blair.

198 Guanxi88  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 11:12:21am

re: #191 Kosh's Shadow

How would we tell the difference?

Easy - the writing will be more purple than lavender, if you dig.

199 Wishing  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 11:12:40am

re: #118 faraway

Looks like the patient (NYT) may only have 5 more years to live. May need some HamasCPR.

Dang that is a GREAT link!

200 [deleted]  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 11:13:05am
201 realwest  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 11:13:11am

re: #158 subsailor68
Well I sure needed that laugh today!
Still no word on my friends surgery which was at 6:00AM Eastern time this morning. Shoulda heard something by now, I think.

202 mikalm  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 11:13:16am

re: #191 Kosh's Shadow

How would we tell the difference?

Every news story would begin with, "In the Name of Allah. Most Gracious, Most Merciful."

203 yma o hyd  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 11:13:40am
204 subsailor68  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 11:13:43am

re: #183 Dave the.....

I can live with Bono, but I wonder how much are they going to pay him to write this each week:

"And if the western world would only give a few more billions to x, then we would be much farther along in solving y."

Bono's heart is in the right place, but for being a billioniare, he doesn't seem to understand economics very well.

I agree. I posted the whole quote from Amity Schlae's book "The Forgotten Man" awhile back, so won't repeat it all, but it basically talked about A and B getting together to do something for C, and getting X to fund it. X was the forgotten man. The quote ended by saying X:

"He works, he votes, generally he prays....but he always pays."

205 newsjunkie_ky  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 11:13:54am

re: #192 newsjunkie_ky

Doesn't he also live somewhere that he doesn't have to pay as much in TAXES? Seems like I remember reading this.


Here

206 Mich-again  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 11:14:01am

Here is a picture of Arthur Sulzberger Jr. subliminally acknowledging the real source of the story.

He's making an L. He's thinking Geeee. and he's saying to himself f*.

207 Miss Molly  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 11:14:20am

I seem to remember wasn't it Bono who wants everyone else to give their money away but he didn't pay taxes because he doesn't believe in taxes or something like that.Of course he doesn't seem to have much of a brain so maybe it is necessary to cut him some slack.

208 alegrias  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 11:14:23am

re: #197 DrCruel

Speechless. I have not had such little respect for the Old Grey Bitch since Jayson Blair.

* * *
Mr. Hoyt outranked Mr. Blair by several levels. Hoyt is top management, therefore, the NYT Fish Rots From the Head.

209 faraway  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 11:14:24am

If everyone in America put up the price of a Sunday paper, we could buy the NY Times.

Then we could just lock the doors.

210 realwest  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 11:14:46am

re: #186 Iron Fist
I didn't say YOU were unkind, but the remark was! LOL!
And you is definitely my kind of guy! But not in "that" way - NTTAWWT!
:)

211 subsailor68  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 11:14:49am

re: #201 realwest

Well I sure needed that laugh today!
Still no word on my friends surgery which was at 6:00AM Eastern time this morning. Shoulda heard something by now, I think.

I'll say a little prayer. It can never hurt, and sometimes helps. God bless.

212 [deleted]  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 11:15:29am
213 realwest  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 11:15:34am

Ok y'all I'm outta here for some lunch! Hope you all have a great day and that I get the chance to see you all down the road!

214 albusteve  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 11:15:52am

re: #206 Mich-again

Here is a picture of Arthur Sulzberger Jr. subliminally acknowledging the real source of the story.

He's making an L. He's thinking Geeee. and he's saying to himself f*.

he thinking, "where is that bad boy....I thought I snagged it"

215 debutaunt  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 11:15:56am

re: #79 Salamantis

I'll bet, though, that if Charles took some of their discoveries and posted them as his own without attribution, they'd be all over it.

/Not that they have all that much worth reposting, anyway - either cited or otherwise.

Jayson Blair had some good stuff.

216 Dustyvet  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 11:16:20am

What Civilian Aid Buys In Gaza


[Link: frontpagemagazine.com...]

217 lifeofthemind  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 11:16:31am

The NYT 5 yr chart is impressive. Wonder how many in a similar situation have ever come back?

[Link: finance.yahoo.com...]

218 Taqiyyotomist  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 11:16:39am

re: #200 ploome hineni

I read that this AM. Was it in the links? Good article, I have it saved.

219 davinvalkri  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 11:17:08am

re: #203 yma o hyd

Bit OT:
Hamas on Monday raided some 100 aid trucks that Israel had allowed into Gaza, stole their contents and sold them to the highest bidders.

Heh.
Any NYT reporters about, to write back home about this?

//

No one here is surprised (I'm decidedly not, since the terror guys pulled this stunt in Somalia), but what would happen if you sent that article to the UN and to all the people who made a donation to "end Palestinian suffering"? Would we get any Scanners-style head explosions?

220 FrogMarch  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 11:18:45am

The heart of the neo-leftist is a liar.

221 Mich-again  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 11:18:56am

Aid packages should be equipped with tracking devices.

222 [deleted]  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 11:19:08am
223 Hard Right  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 11:19:37am

DIE NYT! DIE!

224 lifeofthemind  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 11:19:49am

re: #203 yma o hyd

Bit OT:
Hamas on Monday raided some 100 aid trucks that Israel had allowed into Gaza, stole their contents and sold them to the highest bidders.

Heh.
Any NYT reporters about, to write back home about this?

//

Proving that Hamas believes in market pricing more than the Times does.

225 Neo Con since 9-11  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 11:20:27am

Me wonders if Witty or Hoyt are really Cognito?

226 Cap'n DOC  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 11:20:28am

LOL. I misread the subtitle as Iran's photoshopped missile lunch.

227 Racer X  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 11:20:52am

re: #200 ploome hineni

Why should they support their own citizens? We stupid kaffirs are supposed to do that!

228 Raven1  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 11:21:31am

Charles ought to publish a weekly rag. Call it the NY Slimes.

229 Bloodnok  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 11:21:48am

re: #217 lifeofthemind

The NYT 5 yr chart is impressive. Wonder how many in a similar situation have ever come back?

[Link: finance.yahoo.com...]

And the best part is that they are taking the Boston Globe (which they own) down with them. The Globe is losing money hand over fist.

230 Oh no...Sand People!  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 11:22:00am

Hard to believe that an organization can be so bad as to make CNN seem almost good.

231 _RememberTonyC  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 11:22:11am

in a totally unrelated story, the NY times is taking credit for finding the cure for polio.

232 Kragar  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 11:22:15am

re: #223 Hard Right

DIE NYT! DIE!

Thats German for "THE NYT! THE!"

/Sideshow Bob

233 Guanxi88  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 11:22:23am

re: #230 Oh no...Sand People!

Hard to believe that an organization can be so bad as to make CNN seem almost good.

Are you referring to HAMAS or the NYT?

234 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 11:22:37am

re: #223 Hard Right

DIE NYT! DIE!

I think that statement is against Charles' rule about violence... oh, forget it...
/

235 Wishing  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 11:22:57am

re: #196 Dustyvet

The mohammedans are correct: the police are cowards, scared to death.

236 CIA Reject  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 11:23:06am

re: #229 Bloodnok

And the best part is that they are taking the Boston Globe (which they own) down with them. The Globe is losing money hand over fist.

NYT and BG going down together?

Heh- couldn't happen to a nicer buncha wankers...

237 Kosh's Shadow  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 11:23:59am

re: #202 mikalm

Every news story would begin with, "In the Name of Allah. Most Gracious, Most Merciful."

That will go over well with the pseudo-intellectuals who read the Slimes.

Will the hawkers give the call to prayer? Will they have to discontinue ads for places that sell pork and other haram items? What about all the fashion ads? I doubt they can fill them up with burkha ads.

238 yma o hyd  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 11:24:34am

re: #219 davinvalkri

No one here is surprised (I'm decidedly not, since the terror guys pulled this stunt in Somalia), but what would happen if you sent that article to the UN and to all the people who made a donation to "end Palestinian suffering"? Would we get any Scanners-style head explosions?

Not at all!

They look at where the article comes from - JPost and IDF - and disregard it as typical Zionist propaganda ...

Thats the trouble with hese people: they are not even willing to read what 'The Enemy' says, not even in order to deal wih it in their own way.

Closed minds, utter blindness.

239 Taqiyyotomist  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 11:24:45am

re: #219 davinvalkri

No one here is surprised (I'm decidedly not, since the terror guys pulled this stunt in Somalia), but what would happen if you sent that article to the UN and to all the people who made a donation to "end Palestinian suffering"? Would we get any Scanners-style head explosions?

No matter what, they would excuse this. Truth does not phase a great many of these people. So preconditioned, programmed, to excuse each and every act by the barbarians. A spirit of deception, demonic in nature, is upon the world. This is not to say, quit trying to show them. Not all are immune to the truth. Read the comments on any pro-IDF video on youtube. You'll see that many, far too many, cannot see reason. You won't see many "Wow, I didn't know this, I may have to rethink my position." type of comments. No, you'll see excuses for any and all acts of barbarism, because no matter what, no matter how blatently evil, Jews are still worse.

If humanity exists in 100 years, this time, from 1950 until who knows when, may be known as The Great Deception.

240 Oh no...Sand People!  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 11:25:00am

re: #233 Guanxi88

Are you referring to HAMAS or the NYT?

Wait a minute...*ponders*... is that a trick question?
/

241 hous bin pharteen  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 11:25:42am

The New York Times, Washington Post, etc., are all fighting for the next US nationwide paper news czar appointed by The One.

I think it was called Pravda in the U.S.S.R.
But what are they gonna name it in the new U.S.S.A. ?

242 Silhouette  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 11:25:53am

re: #234 Walter L. Newton

I think that statement is against Charles' rule about violence... oh, forget it...
/

ANyone who speaks German can't be bad.

243 _RememberTonyC  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 11:25:55am

OT ... But Congratulations to Red Sox legend Jim Rice, who was elected to the Baseball Hall of Fame today. Jim Rice was always a class act. I used to cover baseball during his career and had some memorable encounters with him. The racist old timers in the Boston media hated him because he didn't kiss their asses, but I had nothing but good experiences with him. I am thrilled that a good man has finally gotten his due.

244 Raven1  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 11:26:27am

re: #229 Bloodnok

The NY Times also owns my local newspaper, The Worcester Telegram. Shockingly enough, they have gone straight downhill since they were acquired by the Slimes.

245 Kosh's Shadow  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 11:26:31am

re: #229 Bloodnok

And the best part is that they are taking the Boston Globe (which they own) down with them. The Globe is losing money hand over fist.

Rumor is it they might sell the Globe and their share of the Red Sox.
Let's see. I can't afford the Sox, but I might come up with 50 cents for the Globe.
I'll make Jeff Jacoby editor-in-chief, and tell him he no longer has to wear a yellow star at work.

When I canceled my Globe subscription, they really tried to keep me on, but the person couldn't change their editorial policy. She gave me an email address to tell them, but it didn't work, so I sent my email to the three main editors. No response; I think my constant pro-Israel letters has put me on their spam list.

246 Dustyvet  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 11:26:37am

re: #235 Wishing

The mohammedans are correct: the police are cowards, scared to death.

I don't blame the officers, the problem is #10 Downing Street and trickles down...

247 [deleted]  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 11:26:48am
248 Silhouette  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 11:27:14am

re: #239 Taqiyyotomist

So preconditioned, programmed, to excuse each and every act by the barbarians.

Every day, in every way, they are indeed conditioning us to excuse evil. Small steps, large steps.

The only "sin" anymore is thinking there is sin.

249 Taqiyyotomist  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 11:27:39am

I mention things of a spiritual nature, and BAM! a creationist thread.

250 Kosh's Shadow  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 11:28:20am

re: #244 Raven1

The NY Times also owns my local newspaper, The Worcester Telegram. Shockingly enough, they have gone straight downhill since they were acquired by the Slimes.

They were pretty bad when I was in college, in the 1970's, so that is saying a lot. Any paper that has a headline "New Seal Born at Science Center" isn't much of a newspaper.

251 dhg4  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 11:28:42am

re: #23 Bloodnok

Last summer, Witty, unmasked as a fake, found a photo of an Iranian missile test that had already ran on many other front pages.

Fixed

While I don't know that the photo ran on the front page of the NYT, it did run in the NYT. So Hoyt is suggesting that the other papers were fooled but the Times wasn't. That isn't true either.

252 Taqiyyotomist  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 11:28:56am

re: #245 Kosh's Shadow


"I'll make Jeff Jacoby editor-in-chief, and tell him he no longer has to wear a yellow star at work."

Best line I've read all day.

253 eon  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 11:29:37am

re: #203 yma o hyd

Bit OT:
Hamas on Monday raided some 100 aid trucks that Israel had allowed into Gaza, stole their contents and sold them to the highest bidders.

Heh.
Any NYT reporters about, to write back home about this?

//

I noticed that a couple of paragraphs down in the article that Hamas was trying to smuggle in electrical goods, notably;

Computers

IR cameras

Microwave ovens

and various other home appliances.

Besides the obvious reasons (computers for cyber warfare, IR cameras for surveillance, and appliances for resale in Egypt), my best bud the E-5 points out that microwaves have very accurate timers on them- suitable for setting off bombs with if you don't want to use a cellphone and risk being triangulated and then "localized" by a PGM.


cheers

eon

254 davinvalkri  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 11:29:40am

re: #248 Silhouette

Every day, in every way, they are indeed conditioning us to excuse evil. Small steps, large steps.

The only "sin" anymore is thinking there is sin.

Count me in with the "sinners" then.

255 RaiderDan  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 11:29:57am

Mark my words. The MSM, including the New York Times, McClatchy, Hearst, Tribune Cos. will be begging President Obama for TARP funds shortly, citing their self-righteous claim of "informing the public" Don't think the Obamagasm by the MSM during the campaign was coincidental. It was a message. "We brought you to the White House, and we can take you back out."

Obama, as newly minted Senator Burris found out, is an easy mark. He won't sacrifice his approval ratings to do the right thing, as President Bush did.

256 hous bin pharteen  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 11:30:27am

re: #217 lifeofthemind

What about the Washington Post?
[Link: finance.yahoo.com...]

They are going to have reporters applying for welfare.
Oh well.

257 Taqiyyotomist  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 11:32:04am

Wow, time flies. BBL all, God Bless youse. God Bless the IDF.

258 Spare O'Lake  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 11:32:14am

Hamas has had years to learn to fire missiles at defenceless Israeli civilians from illegal positions taken behind women and children in hospitals, residences and schools.

But for Hamas to stand and fight like men is above their pay scale.

Against the iron fist of the IDF the Hamas are nothing but cowardly losers. And their Iranian masters urge them to fight on, yet are themselves too afraid to lift a finger to help them, or even to order Hezbollah to assist them by opening a second front in the north.

And the West Bank, Jordan, Egypt, Syria and Saudi Arabia are also strangely silent.

The isolation of Hamas is complete.

So now the time has come for the Islamofascist Terror Entity in Gaza to call out for a cease fire and to lay down their arms without conditions. Or else to experience their own utter defeat and humiliation.

The choice belongs to Hamas - cease fire or die.

259 Occasional Reader  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 11:32:15am

This story calls for a clear course of action for the incoming Obama Administration;

A bailout for the Iranian missile program.

260 dhg4  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 11:33:24am

re: #21 JammieWearingFool

Breaking news: Clark Hoyt has zero credibility.

Someone send him the link to this.

FWIW, someone at the Times found my post on this topic yesterday doing a search on Patrick Witty. They know.

261 Ayatollah Ghilmeini  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 11:33:42am

Charles, don't you understand that, according to the Enlighted, you do not exist. Your politics are anathema and you come from the internet so you must not be real.

Sorry but rules are rules.

262 Bloodnok  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 11:34:50am

re: #243 _RememberTonyC

OT ... But Congratulations to Red Sox legend Jim Rice, who was elected to the Baseball Hall of Fame today. Jim Rice was always a class act. I used to cover baseball during his career and had some memorable encounters with him. The racist old timers in the Boston media hated him because he didn't kiss their asses, but I had nothing but good experiences with him. I am thrilled that a good man has finally gotten his due.

Steve Buckley is that you?

263 Son of the Black Dog  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 11:35:02am

re: #183 Dave the.....

I can live with Bono, but I wonder how much are they going to pay him to write this each week:

"And if the western world would only give a few more billions to x, then we would be much farther along in solving y."

Bono's heart is in the right place, but for being a billioniare, he doesn't seem to understand economics very well.

There is more than one way to win the lottery of life. Bono won the music lottery. Winning the lottery doesn't make you a financial/economic genius.

264 Raven1  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 11:36:11am

re: #262 Bloodnok

That is great news. That guy was a great hitter.

265 Guanxi88  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 11:39:01am

re: #261 Ayatollah Ghilmeini

Charles, don't you understand that, according to the Enlighted, you do not exist. Your politics are anathema and you come from the internet so you must not be real.

Sorry but rules are rules.

Is that like the whole Ravenous Bug-blatter thing, but reversed?With the Bug-blatter, if you can't see it, it can't see you; with the NYT, if they can't see you, you can't see them? And please no, "In Soviet Russia..." stuff, Yakov.

266 alegrias  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 11:39:03am

re: #259 Occasional Reader

This story calls for a clear course of action for the incoming Obama Administration;

A bailout for the Iranian missile program.

* * *
Yes. That's what "No Preconditions" means. Free money from Uncle Sugar.

267 Hard Right  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 11:39:12am

re: #232 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Thats German for "THE NYT! THE!"

/Sideshow Bob

EAT HOT DEATH NYT!
How's that? Darned multi-lingual people...

268 alegrias  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 11:40:08am

re: #263 Son of the Black Dog

There is more than one way to win the lottery of life. Bono won the music lottery. Winning the lottery doesn't make you a financial/economic genius.

* * *
For a supposed Africa genius, Bono's awfully silent on Mugabe's atrocities.

269 FrogMarch  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 11:41:35am

Since the NYTimes is the Democrat party's "Editorial Support" - will it be saved with a bailout?

I'm guessing yes.

270 Athos  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 11:43:22am

Clearly there is no limit to which the NYT will stoop in order to revise history.

It must be that they are legends within their own minds - deluded by their lack of adequacy to do a very simple job - report facts and not biases or practice self aggrandizement.

The American consumer is not as deluded and reflexive as many producers of products may think. They will not tolerate garbage products. This is clearly being reflected by the overall performance of the vast majority of newspapers in the country today as consumers find that it is no longer worth 50 cents to $2.50 per day to read garbage. Publishers and Editors may whinge about the Internet and Bloggers, but the root of their problems is indicative in the garbage being foisted on the American consumer..... as demonstrated by this clueless 'public editor'.

271 wahabicorridor  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 11:44:20am

re: #134 CIA Reject

Sounds right. Like the Hollywood moonbat (can't remember her name) who couldn't believe that Richard Nixon had been re-elected (by a landslide) in 1972 because "Nobody *I* know voted for him..."

That wasn't an actress. That was Pauline Kael, film reviewer for - wait for it - the New York Times.

272 Hard Right  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 11:44:28am

re: #242 Silhouette

ANyone who speaks German can't be bad.

I met a lovely old guy named Hilter the other day. He was so sweet.
//////

273 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 11:48:04am

Drive-by post:

This is what Clark Hoyt does instead of (wisely) seeking other employment.

Hoyt, I don't want to hear any whining as you walk out to the curb with your tin cup.

274 looking closely  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 11:49:31am

Don't worry, Charles.
In six months there won't be a NYT anymore.

275 Son of the Black Dog  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 11:49:53am

re: #200 ploome hineni

A lot of that logic applies to the American inner city population.

276 Mich-again  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 12:04:26pm

Bloggers scan the MSM for data. Journalists scan the blogs for stories.

277 [deleted]  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 12:07:17pm
278 caligal  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 12:11:36pm

How are you able to keep track of all the news and still have a life?
amazing!
Thank you for your diligence.

279 LGoPs  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 12:11:54pm

I think the Times is using LGF as a life preserver. We need to make sure it's a lead-filled life preserver........

280 _RememberTonyC  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 12:18:52pm

re: #262 Bloodnok

Steve Buckley is that you?

Sorry ... I'm a TV producer, not a writer. But I AM a jim Rice admirer!

281 wiffersnapper  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 12:46:06pm

fuck the times

282 psyop  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 3:45:29pm

During a period where print media is suffering huge revenue losses, and the NY Times, specifically, is suffering a credibility hit, you would think there would be more careful scrutiny of claims that are demonstrably false.

I would love to see Fox News, or WaPo or some other media outlet come out with a headline along the lines of:

NY Times Desperate? In the midst of a revenue hemorrhage, the Times tries to take credit for other people's work.

283 Malleus Dei  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 3:58:55pm

Why should the NYT be any more accurate with this story than usual?

284 pseudoFred  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 4:28:34pm

Charles, I think your headline for this thread is incorrect, and your outrage is an ego trip.

The column by Clark Hoyt did not claim that the NYT broke this story. His column says that Witty discovered the fakery and acted to remove it from the web site and keep it out of the print version. Nothing more.

No one is arguing that LGF didn't break the story.

Why not accept that someone else also detected the fakery? You did a good job of discovering the fake photo, but surely you're not egotistical enough to think that no one else made the same discovery independently.

285 Charles Johnson  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 4:34:56pm

re: #284 pseudoFred

The quote I'm responding to is:

Last summer, Witty unmasked as a fake a photo of an Iranian missile test that ran on many other front pages.

"Unmask" means "reveal." Call it ego tripping if you like, but it's a simple fact that the story was revealed first by LGF.

286 Sharmuta  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 4:42:53pm
As you know, the Web is a huge universe that is virtually impossible for any single news organization to monitor.

I've heard this before. If I didn't know any better, I'd guess this guy had an LGF account.

What's interesting, though, is he's saying there are too many blogs for the NYT to be concerned with accuracy in crediting a story, even when they've been called out on the mat, therefore they don't have to pay attention to it at all- it's just too much to ask.

Using that logic, I wonder then if there are too few msm outlets with the scope of the NYT for me to find them relevant.

287 psyop  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 4:45:04pm

What the crap does it matter who noticed it first?

Would the NY Times care if I claimed I "noticed" the picture was a fake 3 hours before they officially printed the story?

Two words....
Fuck
No

Maybe next time, Hoyt could look at the history of the word "scoop", as it relates to journalism.

If you "scoop" your competitor, does it mean that your competitor didn't KNOW what you knew? No... it meant you published it first, and had documentation of that fact.

288 zoidberg  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 5:48:46pm
so he opened it in Photoshop and determined that it was a fake

I'm not a Photoshop user, but why would you need Photoshop to determine whether it's a fake? Wouldn't a simple picture viewer suffice?

289 Spiny Norman  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 5:56:43pm

re: #288 zoidberg

I'm not a Photoshop user, but why would you need Photoshop to determine whether it's a fake? Wouldn't a simple picture viewer suffice?

The NYT doesn't know what they're talking about, but that should surprise no one.

290 FredWM  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 10:04:01pm

So the Times new position is that when determining who gets credit for breaking a story the determining factor is not who published first but who thought of the story first? If that's the situation then even if it never publishes a story it should gets credit for "breaking" it if it knew about it before anyone else. News Flash, The New York Times now claims to have broken news of Lincoln's assassination because one of its reports was in Ford's theater! He may have been trampled to death getting out of the theater, but what the hey, he knew it first!

291 two_heroes  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 10:17:46pm

"Dog ate my homework", an educated man's version. Shame to read it, Mr. Hoyt.

292 Ledger1  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 2:37:13am

re: #24 Golem Akbar

Well, Charles, first of all, this proves the Times does read (lurks) LGF. So they know what you do, and what your readers know. Yes, they should give you the credit, but they aren't as dumb as their editors appear.

How about installing an NYT visit counter on the side bar similar to the one for Reuters visits. It would probably skyrocket.

293 ahaygood  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 3:29:25am

oh snap!

294 [deleted]  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 6:47:28am
295 Zimriel  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 8:23:16am

We Brits have a similar dispute with the Frogs. We've long held that John Couch Adams discovered the planet Neptune. But since Urbain le Verrier was the first to publish, he gets the credit outside the UK.

Which is not to say that Adams was a bad astronomer.

My advice to the Times is to show a stiff upper lip and admit where you got scooped. If they did verify this thing independently, there's honour enough in that.

296 A.W.  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 2:13:55pm

Well, arguably "unmasked" is the same as discover, but... how convenient that he claims to have noticed first. right. Not buying it.

So i think if the facts were as the ombudman said, he would be technically right, but i just don't buy the story.

297 A.W.  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 2:15:02pm

And i will add that although technically accurate, that statement would be wholly misleading, like classic clintonism. that is not a standard the paper should adhere to.

298 Smorgasbord  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 7:09:15pm

At least you got them to admit they were fake. How many others can say that? You deserve to take more pride in their story than disgust. Pat yourself on the back!


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