Hamas Ready for a Deal?

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Is Hamas starting to get cold feet for their jihad? Haniyeh: We’ll deal positively with any cease-fire initiative.

As diplomats scrambled across the Middle East trying to put together a Gaza cease-fire, Hamas Prime Minister Ismail Haniyeh indicated Monday night that he was willing to discuss a truce.

In a televised speech from his hideout, the Hamas leader said, “we will deal positively with any initiative which stops the aggression against our people” and leads to Israeli withdrawal from Gaza.

Nevertheless, he stressed that while efforts continue toward a cease-fire agreement, Hamas would continue to fight.

Haniyeh said most of those killed in the IDF’s Operation Cast Lead had been women and children, but stressed that “despite this, we knew that victory is the lot of the believers and those who perform Allah’s commandments.”

Their idea of a ceasefire, as we’ve seen repeatedly, is a pause to rearm, recuperate, and retrain.

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236 comments
1 Sharmuta  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 5:22:37pm

They're desperate for hudna.

2 Ben Hur  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 5:23:07pm

Victory.

3 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 5:23:14pm

I call bullshit!

4 Guanxi88  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 5:23:58pm

Wait, the IDF can't stop yet! They've still got some munitions to use. Finish it, already!

5 Ben Hur  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 5:24:00pm

re: #2 Ben Hur

Victory.

Well, not really though.

Wake me when there is no Hamas left to make a deal.

6 David IV of Georgia  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 5:24:22pm

Damn the torpedoes...

7 jaunte  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 5:24:27pm

Surrender, Hamas.

8 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 5:24:29pm

Anything, anyone does, should be unconditional. Set the rules, plain as pie, make them very public and stick to them.

9 Fat Jolly Penguin  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 5:24:40pm
In a televised speech from his hideout, the Hamas leader said, “we will deal positively with any initiative which stops the aggression against our people” and leads to Israeli withdrawal from Gaza.

Here's a novel idea.

Surrender.

10 [deleted]  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 5:24:56pm
11 buzzdroid  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 5:25:03pm

well, it seems as if the IDF are fighting in central Gaza city now..

CNN live cam from downtown Gaza has gone off the air and that showed some phosphorous flares just before it was cut off - which is a sure sign of IDF activity.

somehow i dont think Hamas are going to get the hudna they desparately want.

12 rightwinger3  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 5:25:23pm

They might be. But it takes two. I don't think Israel is or should. They have not killed nearly enough Hamas terroist.

13 Sharmuta  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 5:25:31pm

Just say No to hudna.

Israel will not get another chance after January 20.

14 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 5:25:31pm

Too many radical's that won't listen to "leadership" anyway.

Crush it, be done with it; Truce it, live with it.

15 itellu3times  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 5:26:21pm

When the Muslims declare "it's Miller time!", it will be.

16 [deleted]  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 5:26:25pm
17 Bob Dillon  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 5:26:26pm

This will never end until all the thugs are crushed and/or destroyed.

How many times need we go thru this to get it?

18 jaunte  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 5:26:33pm

"We have confidence in Allah because He's on our side. We are nearing victory over the Zionist war machine. After 17 days of fighting, I can say that the Gaza Strip and faith will prevail. With Allah's help, the Palestinian people will prevail over the infidels."

Doesn't sound like he's convinced yet.

19 itellu3times  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 5:27:01pm

re: #7 jaunte

Surrender, Hamas.

Surrender, Dorothy?

20 jwb7605  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 5:27:30pm

I would stop when Hamas presented an amended charter publicly stating Israel's right to exist.

It would have to be voted on and passed by a majority of the entire Hamas Council.

If I could figure out where the vote was taking place, there would be several leadership changes before a document was produced.

21 brookly red  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 5:27:33pm

what? and lose all the funding from iran?

22 CapeCoddah  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 5:27:34pm

Flatten their asses. Do not believe a word of it.

23 buzzdroid  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 5:27:57pm

[Link: www.jpost.com...]


first the face-saving:
"We have confidence in Allah because He's on our side. We are nearing victory over the Zionist war machine. After 17 days of fighting, I can say that the Gaza Strip and faith will prevail. With Allah's help, the Palestinian people will prevail over the infidels."

then the reality:

Haniyeh's speech, which ended with a prayer, was seen by some Palestinians as an admission of defeat. A Fatah official in Ramallah said the speech reflected Hamas's growing predicament.

"This speech shows that Hamas has been defeated," he said. "Haniyeh has actually raised the white flag."

The official pointed out that the speech was also an indication of the growing rift between the Hamas leadership in the Gaza Strip and the one in Damascus and Beir

24 [deleted]  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 5:28:05pm
25 Guanxi88  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 5:28:15pm

re: #18 jaunte

"We have confidence in Allah because He's on our side. We are nearing victory over the Zionist war machine. After 17 days of fighting, I can say that the Gaza Strip and faith will prevail. With Allah's help, the Palestinian people will prevail over the infidels."

Doesn't sound like he's convinced yet.

I repeat a comment I made some days ago: When we see a Golani or other IDF'er waving into the "gaza cam" and mouthing "Hi, Mom!" in Hebrew, then, and only then, should the IDF think about a cease-fire.

Absolutely move in, set up shop, and bust heads till there's no heads left to bust.

26 jaunte  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 5:28:16pm

re: #19 itellu3times

And your little rocket, too!

27 Sunlight  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 5:29:01pm

re: #2 Ben Hur

Victory.

Uh... not yet. The IDF must be getting close to the motherlode.

28 itellu3times  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 5:29:04pm

re: #24 buzzsawmonkey

Actually, I believe the WW of the W was demanding that the Emerald City "Surrender [i.e., give up] Dorothy" to her.

Yes, and I think that's exactly how it should work in Gaza.

But first, Israel has to ask.

Someone get them a sky-writing broomstick.

29 Bloodnok  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 5:29:08pm

Mr. Haniyeh what's that hand doing behind your back?

30 Soona'  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 5:29:18pm

To Israel,

Take'em out! Take'em out now!

31 freedombilly  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 5:29:37pm

I would be desperate for a deal as well if the IDF was pounding the shit out of me!

Long live Israel and the safety of it's citizens.

32 mean Gene  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 5:29:49pm

All of the channels that may cover Gaza live or as news in one link:
[Link: www.communa.agrisupportonline.com...]
Right now two are covering the fighting and one other is covering the news about it.

33 lifeofthemind  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 5:29:53pm

Peace yes. Hudna no.

34 Sharmuta  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 5:29:57pm

re: #20 jwb7605

I would stop when Hamas presented an amended charter publicly stating Israel's right to exist.

It would have to be voted on and passed by a majority of the entire Hamas Council.

If I could figure out where the vote was taking place, there would be several leadership changes before a document was produced.

It should be a precondition to any talks.

35 jcm  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 5:30:10pm

No deal for Hamas, crush them.

Go IDF!

36 swamprat  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 5:30:19pm

everything I have to say is here

37 [deleted]  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 5:30:30pm
38 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 5:30:40pm

re: #26 jaunte

And your little rocket, too!

I do believe in drones, I do, I do...

39 David IV of Georgia  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 5:30:58pm

re: #18 jaunte

"We have confidence in Allah because He's on our side. We are nearing victory over the Zionist war machine. After 17 days of fighting, I can say that the Gaza Strip and faith will prevail. With Allah's help, the Palestinian people will prevail over the infidels."

Doesn't sound like he's convinced yet.

They (according to Palestinian and Israeli sources) are only losing at a ratio of 69 Hamas casualties to 1 IDF death. Allah is holding true.

40 ted  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 5:31:29pm

BS..........Appealing to The Messiah's arrival on the 20th.

41 freedombilly  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 5:31:33pm

re: #37 buzzsawmonkey

Honcos don't like hudnas.

Yeah honcos.....boo hudnas!

42 Guanxi88  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 5:31:46pm

re: #34 Sharmuta

It should be a precondition to any talks.

The only precondition to negotiations with Hamas should be the destruction of Hamas. Lock, stock and barrel, bell, book and candle - the war should end when the IDF get bored, and not a minute before.

- A guy can dream, can't he? -

43 jaunte  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 5:31:46pm

re: #39 David IV of Georgia

Well, they did say somewhere that they loved that.

44 lifeofthemind  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 5:31:48pm

True with God's help he could win. With God's help he could walk out of a 10th story window and live. Why doesn't he try it?

45 Ben Hur  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 5:31:52pm

IMPOSE PEACE.

46 buzzdroid  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 5:32:10pm

interesting updates from muqata
[Link: muqata.blogspot.com...]

2:57 AM Heavy fighting is within a neighborhood. Possibly Zeitun.
2:52 AM Heavy fighting continuing. No new details.
2:49 AM Breslevers sneak into Gaza earlier (or are they the special forces unit?)
2:45 AM A lot of tanks reported on the move.
2:42 AM Fighter jets overhead of the areas of fighting. Something serious going on.

2:37 AM Loud explosions being heard throughout Gaza. Heavy fighting in Khan Younis, south of Jebaliyah and Beit Lehiye. Heavy artillery fire.


ceasefire my ass - looks like IDF is administering the "coup de grace" to Hamas...

47 jcm  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 5:32:17pm

All members of Hamas get fitted with a radio collar. The deal is, one rocket, one homicide bomber IDF sends a signal, all the collars detonate.

48 Tumulus11  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 5:32:22pm
'We are nearing victory over the Zionist war machine.'
// Ismail Haniyeh.


. Translation: Hundreds of our fighters have been killed and our command structure is in ruins.

49 jwb7605  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 5:32:34pm

re: #34 Sharmuta

It should be a precondition to any talks.

Not really. I'd talk. I'd say "Got that new charter? No? Call me when it's ready. The door is over there."

50 mean Gene  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 5:32:47pm

He's talking with forked tongue.
Listen to his words:

He's only willing to discuss a "truce," which is more temporary than a peace pact.
AND, he adds: we knew that victory is the lot of the believers and those who perform Allah’s commandments.”

Sounds like his guys need time to SLEEP and re-arm.

51 UberInfidel67  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 5:32:51pm

No no no! You got the bastards on the ropes! Keep going! Go IDF. I stand with Israel (as does my house)

52 Guanxi88  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 5:32:53pm

re: #48 Tumulus11

. Translation: Hundreds of our fighters have been killed and our command structure is in ruins.

So, you speak Arabic?

53 Soona'  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 5:32:54pm

re: #41 freedombilly

Yeah honcos.....boo hudnas!

Honcofy the bastards!

54 ted  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 5:33:25pm

re: #44 lifeofthemind

True with God's help he could win. With God's help he could walk out of a 10th story window and live. Why doesn't he try it?

I could win Megamillions too.........

55 Li'l Mamzer  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 5:33:31pm

If Haniyeh wants a deal, it should include him standing trial in Israel for attempted genocide, as well as the murder of any Israelis killed by the Hamas rocket barrage.

If it were up to me, if that's not part of a deal, then no deal.

Go IDF!

56 Griffon  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 5:33:42pm

We need to get a GPS in those TV cameras.

57 Guanxi88  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 5:33:48pm

re: #49 jwb7605

Not really. I'd talk. I'd say "Got that new charter? No? Call me when it's ready. The door is over there."

Screw the Charter (and Carter, too!). These SOB's word isn't worth the powder to blow them to Hell.

58 CIA Reject  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 5:34:05pm

Guess now it's Fatah's turn to get their @sses whipped for a while, eh?

59 ArmyWife  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 5:34:10pm

I would stop when the brave Haniyeh climbs out of his hiding hole vigorously waving a white flag in the left hand, an Israeli flag in the right hand, and wearing a t-shirt that says I *heart* the IDF.

60 jamgarr  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 5:34:18pm

Deal = Galid +++

61 WhiteRasta  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 5:34:37pm

This is just more BS to beat Israel over the head with.

The UN is calling for a ceasefire, the Brits(!) are rioting.

Protests everywhere, from bumfuck Saskatchewan to LA and Sydney.

Now the terrorists are begging for hudna and Israel is the bad guy.

62 Dr. Shalit  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 5:34:40pm

Lizardim -

OK, I suggest Unconditional Surrender - With the Release of My Distant Cousin Gilad - ALIVE - as a first step. Then again, I am biased.

-S-

63 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 5:34:43pm

My dinger's getting sore on this thread.

Call for Hamas's total destruction? Ding from FBV. Unless I miss it, or go to bed, or something.

64 Bloodnok  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 5:35:10pm

re: #46 buzzdroid

interesting updates from muqata
[Link: muqata.blogspot.com...]

2:57 AM Heavy fighting is within a neighborhood. Possibly Zeitun.
2:52 AM Heavy fighting continuing. No new details.
2:49 AM Breslevers sneak into Gaza earlier (or are they the special forces unit?)
2:45 AM A lot of tanks reported on the move.
2:42 AM Fighter jets overhead of the areas of fighting. Something serious going on.

2:37 AM Loud explosions being heard throughout Gaza. Heavy fighting in Khan Younis, south of Jebaliyah and Beit Lehiye. Heavy artillery fire.

ceasefire my ass - looks like IDF is administering the "coup de grace" to Hamas...

I miss Gazacam. Even the rooster, dang him.

65 Guanxi88  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 5:35:16pm

re: #63 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

My dinger's getting sore on this thread.

Call for Hamas's total destruction? Ding from FBV. Unless I miss it, or go to bed, or something.

And a ding from me, just because, you Magnificent Bastard!

66 albusteve  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 5:35:29pm

this is a golden opportunity for Israel to adjust the ME situation to their favor....Hamas must go down unconditionally....they're lives will be spared when the give up and lay down their arms....anything less is unacceptable....Hamas must cease to exist....I see no deals in the near future

67 Li'l Mamzer  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 5:35:37pm

re: #57 Guanxi88

Screw the Charter (and Carter, too!).

The Hamas Carter - that's good!

68 jamgarr  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 5:35:40pm

Gilad

PIMF

69 jwb7605  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 5:35:41pm

re: #57 Guanxi88

Screw the Charter (and Carter, too!). These SOB's word isn't worth the powder to blow them to Hell.

True. But, it would be a public admission of total defeat.
If you really wanted to "kill them all", you'd have to include children. Look at the "school system". And that's just not right.

70 Pietr  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 5:35:49pm

Hopefully, the IDF is pushing toward a specific hospital with plans to flood the sub-basements.....Heh Heh.....

71 freedombilly  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 5:35:58pm

re: #45 Ben Hur

IMPOSE PEACE.

Ooh I like that!

72 mean Gene  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 5:35:59pm

re: #64 Bloodnok

Go to this site:
[Link: www.communa.agrisupportonline.com...]
It's there.

73 [deleted]  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 5:36:00pm
74 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 5:36:13pm

re: #64 Bloodnok

I miss Gazacam. Even the rooster, dang him.

75 CIA Reject  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 5:36:14pm

re: #23 buzzdroid

[Link: www.jpost.com...]

first the face-saving:
"We have confidence in Allah because He's on our side. We are nearing victory over the Zionist war machine. After 17 days of fighting, I can say that the Gaza Strip and faith will prevail. With Allah's help, the Palestinian people will prevail over the infidels."

then the reality:

Haniyeh's speech, which ended with a prayer, was seen by some Palestinians as an admission of defeat. A Fatah official in Ramallah said the speech reflected Hamas's growing predicament.

"This speech shows that Hamas has been defeated," he said. "Haniyeh has actually raised the white flag."

The official pointed out that the speech was also an indication of the growing rift between the Hamas leadership in the Gaza Strip and the one in Damascus and Beir

"I used my face to break his fist!"

76 Sharmuta  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 5:36:25pm

0bama is right around the corner. To me, this is Israel's last, best chance to deal with hamas. I'd hate to see them waste it on another "truce" only to be broken in weeks if not days. It's been tried, and fails every time. Keep going, IDF.

77 MandyManners  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 5:36:34pm

When I heard about this on NPR this afternoon, the reporter said that Haniyeh said Hamas would continue to fire missiles at Israel until Israel stopped firing on Gaza and until Israel opened up the border crossings. It makes sense in a twisted way.

78 greenmiler  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 5:37:04pm

Idf flow chart ( the way they should handle it)

Is Hamas wiped out?

No= Screw the UN,MSM, and the rest of the world;attack

Yes= Time for a beer!

79 freedombilly  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 5:37:04pm

re: #63 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

My dinger's getting sore on this thread.

Call for Hamas's total destruction? Ding from FBV. Unless I miss it, or go to bed, or something.

Upding! You might not eat meat but you are usually right on the money:)

80 itellu3times  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 5:37:11pm

re: #52 Guanxi88

So, you speak Arabic?

There's another language they understand better.

81 Bloodnok  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 5:37:52pm

re: #72 mean Gene

Go to this site:
[Link: www.communa.agrisupportonline.com...]
It's there.

I hear him! THANKS!

82 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 5:37:59pm

re: #47 jcm

All members of Hamas get fitted with a radio collar. The deal is, one rocket, one homicide bomber IDF sends a signal, all the collars detonate.

"Kinkyyyy. Sign here. "
-Heddy Lamarr

83 Sunlight  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 5:38:00pm

re: #61 WhiteRasta

This is just more BS to beat Israel over the head with.

The UN is calling for a ceasefire, the Brits(!) are rioting.

Protests everywhere, from bumfuck Saskatchewan to LA and Sydney.

Now the terrorists are begging for hudna and Israel is the bad guy.

Disagree. I heard someone today talking about this who said, "Did you see that Hamas guy saying they're winning when Israel is kickin' their ass. What a jerk." Israel is not looking bad. ISRAEL IS LOOKING GOOD and it's driving these people really really crazy. Tough. Go IDF!

84 Dr. Shalit  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 5:38:02pm

re: #73 buzzsawmonkey

As I have had occasion to say in various conversations: "Just because I'm prejudiced, that does not mean I am wrong."

"buzz" -

"ZACKLY!"

-S-

85 ArmyWife  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 5:38:03pm

re: #64 Bloodnok

Oh this is terrible - I just logged on to Gaza Cam...and NO GAZA CAM! What happened? What will I stare at endless hours upon endless hours?

86 Guanxi88  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 5:38:21pm

re: #69 jwb7605

True. But, it would be a public admission of total defeat.
If you really wanted to "kill them all", you'd have to include children. Look at the "school system". And that's just not right.

Whoa! Kill 'em all ain't from me, except for the Hamasniks. All I'm saying is that any treaty with ANY existential enemy isn't really concluded until the other side breaks it. That is, these guys have proved, time and again, that they'll say or do anything to save their necks and give themselves a chance to kill a Jew.

87 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 5:38:38pm

re: #85 ArmyWife

Oh this is terrible - I just logged on to Gaza Cam...and NO GAZA CAM! What happened? What will I stare at endless hours upon endless hours?

Your husband!

88 avanti  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 5:38:46pm

If Israel gives up any concessions that give Hamas anything they did not have pre invasion, they'll spin at as a victory.

89 albusteve  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 5:38:51pm

Israel is fighting Hamas right now but it is also figuratively fighting the Hez as well...no deals...to hell with the UN and BO...no deals

90 [deleted]  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 5:39:09pm
91 reine.de.tout  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 5:39:22pm

re: #62 Dr. Shalit

Lizardim -

OK, I suggest Unconditional Surrender - With the Release of My Distant Cousin Gilad - ALIVE - as a first step. Then again, I am biased.

-S-

I have great fear for the health and well-being of your Distant Cousin Gilad.

92 Sharmuta  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 5:39:32pm

re: #63 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

My dinger's getting sore on this thread.

Call for Hamas's total destruction? Ding from FBV. Unless I miss it, or go to bed, or something.

Is Ding Finger covered by your insurance?

93 mean Gene  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 5:39:37pm
94 Guanxi88  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 5:39:50pm

re: #80 itellu3times

There's another language they understand better.

No, I just notice that the Gazan dialect seems to have this peculiarity wherein words mean nothing when spoken to Jews.

95 Karridine  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 5:40:02pm
"We have confidence in Allah because He's on our side. We are nearing victory over the Zionist war machine. After 17 days of fighting, I can say that the Gaza Strip and faith will prevail. With Allah's help, the Palestinian people will prevail over the infidels."

Actually... NO.

God (or Allah or 'el or YHWH) is on humanity's side, and sent His Sign to Iran, where the mullahs and imams promptly murdered Him publicly (July 9, 1850 in Tabriz) so God sent His mortal remains to Mount Carmel, Haifa, Israel... where they remain to this day, Hamas!

If anything, God is on Israel's side, as well as the side of the justice-loving, courteous followers of The One, enshrined atop Carmel!

96 reine.de.tout  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 5:40:04pm

re: #85 ArmyWife

Oh this is terrible - I just logged on to Gaza Cam...and NO GAZA CAM! What happened? What will I stare at endless hours upon endless hours?

I am convinced they became aware we were all sitting here for hours every night waiting to see the apocalypse, and turned it off.

97 Sharmuta  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 5:40:06pm

re: #88 avanti

If Israel gives up any concessions that give Hamas anything they did not have pre invasion, they'll spin at as a victory.

All cease fires are spun into victories.

98 WhiteRasta  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 5:40:12pm

re: #83 Sunlight

I disagree with you on that point. Israel is winning militarily, but is losing the PR battle for hearts and minds.

The whole MSM is against Israel.

99 mikeytrix  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 5:40:28pm

I'm pretty sure Olmert would accept a hudna if Gilad Shalit was offered up. I'm surprised that Hamas hasn't budged on Shalit, makes me think he's no longer alive, G-d forbid.

100 CIA Reject  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 5:40:41pm

re: #80 itellu3times

There's another language they understand better.

I'm guessing that would be that ancient oriental language "ja-dam"?

101 jcm  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 5:40:44pm

re: #45 Ben Hur

IMPOSE PEACE.

Peace through victory!

102 nucular_option  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 5:40:44pm

The IDF should keep up the pressure until Reuters has to make a video asking for a truce...

103 jaunte  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 5:40:53pm

"...Hamas was demanding an immediate halt to the Israeli operation before discussing the issue of a cease-fire."

Keep going, IDF.

104 Bloodnok  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 5:40:55pm

re: #96 reine.de.tout

I am convinced they became aware we were all sitting here for hours every night waiting to see the apocalypse, and turned it off.

Check #72. Life is good.

105 albusteve  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 5:41:08pm

re: #90 Iron Fist

Which part of Unconditional Surrender are they having problems with? I'm sure that given a few more days the IDF can straighten them out.

At least I hope so. They've only got a few more days before the One takes office.

they have come to far...they must disregard world opinion...to toss it all away on BOs dime would be a crime toward all Jews...I dont want to sound overly harsh but Israel must press on regardless of BO

106 coquimbojoe  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 5:41:15pm

re: #77 MandyManners

When I heard about this on NPR this afternoon, the reporter said that Haniyeh said Hamas would continue to fire missiles at Israel until Israel stopped firing on Gaza and until Israel opened up the border crossings. It makes sense in a twisted way.

107 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 5:41:16pm

re: #24 buzzsawmonkey

Actually, I believe the WW of the W was demanding that the Emerald City "Surrender [i.e., give up] Dorothy" to her.

Surrender Gilad?

108 Dr. Shalit  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 5:41:17pm

re: #91 reine.de.tout

I have great fear for the health and well-being of your Distant Cousin Gilad.

"Queenie" -

I too have had fears of same since DAY 1. That is all.

-S-

109 mean Gene  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 5:41:25pm

Explosions on the horizon at the Gazacam at this link:
[Link: www.communa.agrisupportonline.com...]

110 [deleted]  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 5:41:58pm
111 mean Gene  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 5:42:24pm

Lots of BIG explosions!

112 WhiteRasta  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 5:42:28pm

re: #106 coquimbojoe

Israel is to open border crossings so the barbarians can send in suicide bombers again?

113 Age Of Freedom  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 5:42:46pm

They are shifting gears from Maximum Jihad to Minimum Jihad, which means leveling with CNN and the BBC, and peace be upon you all.

114 itellu3times  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 5:42:54pm

re: #77 MandyManners

When I heard about this on NPR this afternoon, the reporter said that Haniyeh said Hamas would continue to fire missiles at Israel until Israel stopped firing on Gaza and until Israel opened up the border crossings. It makes sense in a twisted way.

In what twisted way? This has been their position from the beginning, why is it suddenly good?

115 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 5:43:00pm

re: #45 Ben Hur

IMPOSE PEACE.

Howabout, "Peace through I KEEL YOU FIRST!"

116 Guanxi88  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 5:43:00pm

re: #112 WhiteRasta

Israel is to open border crossings so the barbarians can send in suicide bombers again?

Yeah, but don't forget - also, to bring more weapons into Gaza.

117 Sunlight  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 5:43:54pm

re: #98 WhiteRasta

I disagree with you on that point. Israel is winning militarily, but is losing the PR battle for hearts and minds.

The whole MSM is against Israel.

Maybe where you live, but where I live, regular people see what's going on (no thanks to the MSM).

118 ArmyWife  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 5:44:00pm

re: #87 Walter L. Newton

When he said we were all nuts last night? That invoked the camera's deactivation? I wonder what other powers he has! We should experiment!

By the way, he has been staring at those videos from CNN and coming up with some interesting hypotheses.

119 Dr. Shalit  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 5:44:25pm

re: #102 nucular_option

The IDF should keep up the pressure until Reuters has to make a video asking for a truce...

"n-o" -

Love to see REUTERS have to film the surrender ceremony on the DECK of an ISRAELI SUBMARINE. Fat Chance.

-S-

120 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 5:44:30pm

re: #87 Walter L. Newton

Your husband!

Unless he occasionally goes "boom!" and flashes, he's probably not a substitute.

121 ArmyWife  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 5:44:36pm

re: #109 mean Gene

Thank you! Weird we have to watch it here now.

122 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 5:44:39pm

re: #92 Sharmuta

Is Ding [Finger] covered by your insurance?

Fixed that for you.

123 CIA Reject  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 5:44:55pm

re: #95 Karridine

Actually... NO.

God (or Allah or 'el or YHWH) is on humanity's side, and sent His Sign to Iran, where the mullahs and imams promptly murdered Him publicly (July 9, 1850 in Tabriz) so God sent His mortal remains to Mount Carmel, Haifa, Israel... where they remain to this day, Hamas!

If anything, God is on Israel's side, as well as the side of the justice-loving, courteous followers of The One, enshrined atop Carmel!


HI Karridine - Happy New Year to you and yours!

G*d is on the side of humanity. Allah is on the side of hamas. G*d and Allah are NOT one in the same IMHO.

124 guftafs  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 5:44:56pm
Their idea of a ceasefire, as we’ve seen repeatedly, is a pause to rearm, recuperate, and retrain.

This "war" is going to end up like the 2006 skirmish in Lebanon. Failure. What a waste. This is not victory just because Livni, Olmert and the rest say so.

125 LGoPs  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 5:45:06pm
In a televised speech from his hideout, the Hamas leader said, “we will deal positively with any initiative which stops the aggression against our people” and leads to Israeli withdrawal from Gaza.

These guys must read Peanuts. This is Lucy and the football all over again........... The IDF is not Charlie Brown.......Good Grief.

126 lifeofthemind  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 5:45:07pm

re: #54 ted

I could win Megamillions too.........

Hey that's my investment plan your touching there.

127 Buck  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 5:45:19pm

I want his signature on the document, and it must respect for the right of the State of Israel to live in peace within secure and recognized boundaries.

Until then, Israel will continue to fight.

128 Bubbaman  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 5:45:19pm

Nah, Hamas is waiting for the Western powers to force Israel to capitulate - the world arab street and global media haven't done the trick - and then await for Iran to rearm them.

129 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 5:45:25pm

re: #101 jcm

Peace through victory!

Peace through superior firepower.

130 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 5:45:28pm

re: #118 ArmyWife

When he said we were all nuts last night? That invoked the camera's deactivation? I wonder what other powers he has! We should experiment!

By the way, he has been staring at those videos from CNN and coming up with some interesting hypotheses.

Well, don't have him experiment in my direction. I need all my equipment in working order.
/

131 buzzdroid  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 5:45:31pm

New Gaza Cam direct URLS

[Link: live1.interoutemediaservices.com...]

[Link: switch434-01.castup.net...]

132 Guanxi88  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 5:45:40pm

re: #119 Dr. Shalit

"n-o" -

Love to see REUTERS have to film the surrender ceremony on the DECK of an ISRAELI SUBMARINE. Fat Chance.

-S-

I'd love to watch that one.

Say, how do you say "Dive to torpedo depth?" in Hebrew?

133 WhiteRasta  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 5:45:54pm

re: #116 Guanxi88

Yes good point.

All the NGO's are chomping at the bit to go to Gaza and help the poor oppressed "palestinians" rebuild their "devastated" homeland.

99% of that "aid" money will be stolen and used to buy weapons to kill Jews.

134 buzzdroid  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 5:46:12pm

GAZA ROOSTER IS BACK!

135 Tarkus289  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 5:46:36pm

re: #124 guftafs

Don't be so sure, this is developing very differently than 2006.

136 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 5:46:39pm

re: #134 buzzdroid

GAZA ROOSTER IS BACK!

where?

137 Bloodnok  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 5:46:47pm

re: #131 buzzdroid

New Gaza Cam direct URLS

[Link: live1.interoutemediaservices.com...]

[Link: switch434-01.castup.net...]

Which was the one Render was warning us about (being a bot)? I will have to go check.

138 Karridine  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 5:47:07pm

re: #116 Guanxi88

Yeah, but don't forget - also, to bring more weapons into Gaza.

IDF is now teaching them that 'theres more to victory than good weapons!'

Things like intelligence, training, practice, teamwork, respect for one's NCO's and officers, human-respect...

/Hat Tip to "Why Arab Armies LOSE!" by de Atkine

139 Dr. Shalit  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 5:47:10pm

re: #123 CIA Reject

HI Karridine - Happy New Year to you and yours!

G*d is on the side of humanity. Allah is on the side of hamas. G*d and Allah are NOT one in the same IMHO.

"CIA-R" -

Might ALLAH be "al-Shaitan" in your analysis? Discussion.

-S-

140 jaunte  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 5:47:28pm

re: #135 Tarkus289

Gaza has no strategic depth; all Hamas has is public opinion.

141 ArmyWife  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 5:47:49pm

re: #131 buzzdroid

That guy with that cardboard sign that says "PRESS" is kinda funny. That looks like a sign on kindergartners who are putting on a play - so you know who is the Elephant and who is the Giraffe.

142 IslandLibertarian  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 5:47:52pm

words to live by............
“We shall neither fail nor falter; we shall not weaken or tire...give us the tools and we will finish the job.”
Winston Churchill

Go IDF!

143 lobo91  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 5:48:05pm

re: #97 Sharmuta

All cease fires are spun into victories.

Pretty standard Arab procedure actually.

The Egyptians have a big monument to their "victory" over the Israelis in the 1973 war.

Seriously.

144 [deleted]  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 5:48:07pm
145 buzzdroid  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 5:48:25pm

ok - this one seems to be the direct live feed


no commentary ... or scrolling arabic titles..

[Link: switch434-01.castup.net...]

fierce fighting going on... you can hear it.

146 Buster Bunny  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 5:48:27pm

re: #138 Karridine

IDF is now teaching them that 'theres more to victory than good weapons!'

Things like intelligence, training, practice, teamwork, respect for one's NCO's and officers, human-respect...

/Hat Tip to "Why Arab Armies LOSE!" by de Atkine

Dont be silly ! These Arab armies are all highly trained and taught by the French .. how could they possibly lose?

147 MandyManners  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 5:48:33pm

re: #114 itellu3times

In what twisted way? This has been their position from the beginning, why is it suddenly good?

I didn't say it was "good". I said it made sense in a twisted way, the kind of twisted Haniyeh is. He doesn't want peace.

148 Occasional Reader  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 5:48:39pm

Aww, Haniyeh, we can't stay mad at your forever.

KIDDING!

Let's kill you instead.

149 [deleted]  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 5:48:52pm
150 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 5:49:06pm

re: #123 CIA Reject

HI Karridine - Happy New Year to you and yours!

G*d is on the side of humanity. Allah is on the side of hamas. G*d and Allah are NOT one in the same IMHO.

I persist in believing that God is one--and that all names are good when they lead you to righteousness.

Hamas clearly missed a turn somewhere.

151 buzzdroid  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 5:49:08pm

re: #136 Walter L. Newton

where?

[Link: switch434-01.castup.net...]

if it doesnt work in your browser, try loading it in your media player.

152 Buck  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 5:49:41pm

re: #124 guftafs

This "war" is going to end up like the 2006 skirmish in Lebanon. Failure. What a waste. This is not victory just because Livni, Olmert and the rest say so.

Not so fast..... have you seen any rocket fire from Hezbollah?

Failure? A muzzled junk yard dog might seem like it is king of the yard.... but reality is Hezbollah does not dare provoke the Israeli's.

Now there is a really good reason for that....

153 nucular_option  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 5:49:56pm

re: #131 buzzdroid

New Gaza Cam direct URLS

[Link: live1.interoutemediaservices.com...]

[Link: switch434-01.castup.net...]

Many thanks for the urls.

154 lifeofthemind  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 5:50:30pm

Arguably the right thing to do when the enemy kidnaps someone without placing them in proper Red Cross supervised POW status is to hold a public funeral, humanely comfort the family and refuse to consider them as a bargaining chip.

155 jcm  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 5:50:32pm

re: #129 SanFranciscoZionist

Peace through superior firepower.

PEACE!

156 Tarkus289  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 5:50:40pm

re: #149 buzzsawmonkey

I usually say, "I'm not prejudiced, I'm informed."

157 [deleted]  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 5:50:53pm
158 Guanxi88  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 5:51:01pm

re: #143 lobo91

Pretty standard Arab procedure actually.

The Egyptians have a big monument to their "victory" over the Israelis in the 1973 war.

Seriously.

Yeah, I've never quite been able to figure that out. How can the invincible might of the the unstoppable Arab war machine keep failing to achieve victory EVERY SINGLE TIME they've every locked horns with my tribe?

159 itellu3times  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 5:51:49pm

re: #147 MandyManners

I didn't say it was "good". I said it made sense in a twisted way, the kind of twisted Haniyeh is. He doesn't want peace.

oh, well then.

be careful, when that kind of stuff starts making even twisted sense to you, you may start having trouble screwing on your hat.

160 albusteve  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 5:52:26pm

re: #154 lifeofthemind

Arguably the right thing to do when the enemy kidnaps someone without placing them in proper Red Cross supervised POW status is to hold a public funeral, humanely comfort the family and refuse to consider them as a bargaining chip.

that's what special ops is for...never give up to Islamofascists

161 Sunlight  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 5:52:38pm

The pictures on Muqata... who are "Breslevers"? Chabad? I didn't know they did army stuff. I stand corrected and Bravo, Breslevers!

And has all of Israel been working out the last two years? Running, weights at the gym? It looks like a person would keel over if they hadn't trained up for it!

162 Bloodnok  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 5:52:46pm

re: #137 Bloodnok

Which was the one Render was warning us about (being a bot)? I will have to go check.

It was a CNN feed. Carry on honcos...

163 Karridine  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 5:53:13pm

re: #123 CIA Reject

I understand that, and there's a lot of emotion there, CIA...

Any human word or phrase for "That-Which-Creates-Us" will fall short, failing to describe even INadequately, The Creator... exalted above all description, conceptualization, egress, regress, ascent or descent...

So we come to "What do the people DO? (who 'believe in Allah', or 'believe in God')

And today, Sir, there is NO moral equivalence attempted by me. The moral bankruptcy displayed by Hamas and the Jordyptian 3rd-Generation 'Refugees' is abysmal, dehumanizing and self-defeating... even as it kills a few Jews, which is a few TOO MANY!

164 nucular_option  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 5:53:14pm

The rooster sure is busy.

165 lifeofthemind  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 5:53:51pm

Haniyeha likes hiding in holes? The Geneva convention says that a prisoner should be kept in conditions similar to where they served, maybe Saddam Hussein's spider hole is available?

166 [deleted]  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 5:54:41pm
167 jwb7605  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 5:55:09pm

re: #76 Sharmuta

0bama is right around the corner. To me, this is Israel's last, best chance to deal with hamas. I'd hate to see them waste it on another "truce" only to be broken in weeks if not days. It's been tried, and fails every time. Keep going, IDF.

If Obama does anything resembling smart, he will "evaluate" the situation for as long as it takes Israel to bring Hamas to its knees.

THEN he sends Hillary in, and takes credit for wonderful statesmanship.
Beneath the polished, caring, humanitarian exterior, Obama is a snake.

168 reine.de.tout  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 5:55:19pm

re: #131 buzzdroid

New Gaza Cam direct URLS

[Link: live1.interoutemediaservices.com...]

[Link: switch434-01.castup.net...]

Lotsa noise.

And the rooster, too.

169 Guanxi88  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 5:55:50pm

re: #168 reine.de.tout

Lotsa noise.

And the rooster, too.

That rooster lets you know it's real!

170 [deleted]  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 5:55:53pm
171 lifeofthemind  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 5:55:59pm

re: #138 Karridine

IDF is now teaching them that 'theres more to victory than good weapons!'

Things like intelligence, training, practice, teamwork, respect for one's NCO's and officers, human-respect...

/Hat Tip to "Why Arab Armies LOSE!" by de Atkine

James Michener's The Source if I recall had a good description of why an Egyptian army could not get from Cairo to Isrrael battle ready, mostly corruption.

172 Dr. Shalit  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 5:55:59pm

re: #143 lobo91

Pretty standard Arab procedure actually.

The Egyptians have a big monument to their "victory" over the Israelis in the 1973 war.

Seriously.

"Wolfie - 91"

Said Monument being in EGYPT says volumes. Arab/Muslim regimes have declared "VICTORY" every time the regime has survived after having their asses kicked. Been so since the 1956 Suez War. Will remain so for the forseeable future. I call it the "NASSER FAKE."

-S-

173 greenmiler  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 5:56:13pm

OK splain to a lizard that hasn't been on lately, whats the Gaza rooster?; hear in the al-jiz feed

174 mean Gene  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 5:56:13pm

re: #140 jaunte

Gaza has no strategic depth; all Hamas has is public opinion.

That must be why Gazacam went black at 3AM my time (Pacific)
by then what started out as a white sheet waving on one roof had grown into a hundred of them waving out of many windows, balconies and rooves.
IF Hamas were still thought of as powerful all those folks would have been too scared of kneecappings and murders to do such a thing.

175 itellu3times  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 5:57:23pm

re: #174 mean Gene

That must be why Gazacam went black at 3AM my time (Pacific)
by then what started out as a white sheet waving on one roof had grown into a hundred of them waving out of many windows, balconies and rooves.
IF Hamas were still thought of as powerful all those folks would have been too scared of kneecappings and murders to do such a thing.

Is that what happened?

No more kids playing on the roof?

176 lobo91  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 5:57:26pm

re: #158 Guanxi88

Yeah, I've never quite been able to figure that out. How can the invincible might of the the unstoppable Arab war machine keep failing to achieve victory EVERY SINGLE TIME they've every locked horns with my tribe?

The October War Panorama

177 Guanxi88  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 6:00:24pm

re: #176 lobo91

The October War Panorama

It's like those ancient egyptian paintings of the pharaoh smiting the enemies. SOme things never change!

178 lifeofthemind  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 6:00:28pm

Regarding willingness to take punishment and keep fighting please see my comments bottom of last thread, must go walk a friend.

179 Age Of Freedom  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 6:01:50pm

re: #145 buzzdroid

ok - this one seems to be the direct live feed

no commentary ... or scrolling arabic titles..

[Link: switch434-01.castup.net...]

fierce fighting going on... you can hear it.

You can hear a whole lot of firing and bombing. Interesting find.

180 Morganfrost  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 6:02:23pm

Tell Hamas:

You surrender; we'll cease firing.
181 nucular_option  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 6:03:45pm

boom!

182 mean Gene  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 6:04:31pm

Well, it was close, so is that why we lost his picture?

183 nucular_option  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 6:04:34pm

no more webcam. rats.

184 guftafs  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 6:05:27pm

re: #135 Tarkus289

re: #152 Buck

How many Hamas fighters of the estimated 20,000 Hamas fighters have been killed or captured? Has their ability to fight been destroyed? Not a chance. Not denying that the IDF was much better prepared this time, it makes no difference if the operational goals are too narrow or too fuzzy.

185 Dr. Shalit  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 6:06:40pm

re: #158 Guanxi88

Yeah, I've never quite been able to figure that out. How can the invincible might of the the unstoppable Arab war machine keep failing to achieve victory EVERY SINGLE TIME they've every locked horns with my tribe?

"G-88" -

Against a REAL ARMED FORCE, with determination/esprit de corps - BASICALLY, THEY SUCK! That is all.

-S-

186 G.W.  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 6:06:45pm

The IDF must be getting pretty close to his bunker.

187 nucular_option  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 6:07:28pm

The AJ channel is all jabba jaba ack jabba. I had a better chance at understanding the rooster.

188 kansas  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 6:07:34pm

I think there was a cease fire shortly after Hiroshima.

189 CIA Reject  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 6:07:40pm

re: #139 Dr. Shalit

"CIA-R" -

Might ALLAH be "al-Shaitan" in your analysis? Discussion.

-S-

My personal opinion, based on observations from news reports and postings on this blog, is that islam is not so much a religion as it is a mockery of a religion. Things that are considered virtues in other religions are mocked in islamic practices. For example:

- Fortitude is mocked by punishing rape victims as "uncovered meat"
- Understanding is mocked by blind memorization of the koran
- Counsel is mocked by lecturing the world to convert or die.
- Knowledge is mocked by willful ignorance of anything outside the koran
- Wisdom is mocked by "scholars" who recruit terrorists for suicide missions
- Piety is mocked by smacking one's head on the floor 5 times a day
- Fear of the Lord is mocked by the desire to create a fear of islam.
- Modesty is mocked by sticking women in burkahs
- Honesty is mocked by making the ability to lie to infidels a virtue.
- Love of life is mocked by a love of death
- Compassion is mocked by raping children, telling them they are now "unclean" and that the only way they can "cleanse" themselves is to don a bomb vest and blow up a bus full of innocent people.
- Mercy is mocked by torturing prisoners.

I could go on, but I think you get my point.

So in answer to your question I don't know if the entity that inspires such a hatred and mockery of virtue is "al-Shaitan" himself, but whoever he is he sure as Hell ain't G*d.

190 nucular_option  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 6:08:02pm

rooster vision is back.

191 coquimbojoe  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 6:08:25pm

re: #112 WhiteRasta

Israel is to open border crossings so the barbarians can send in suicide bombers again?

I meant to comment that after this there might not be a border to cross. Maybe there will be just a moat and Gaza will become a semi tropical isle...

192 kansas  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 6:08:51pm

re: #158 Guanxi88

Yeah, I've never quite been able to figure that out. How can the invincible might of the the unstoppable Arab war machine keep failing to achieve victory EVERY SINGLE TIME they've every locked horns with my tribe?


Cause they are only unstoppable when killing innocent women and unarmed children.

193 brookly red  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 6:10:08pm

re: #184 guftafs

Are fighters counted by those willing to remotely fire a rocket from cover, or do you actually have to face return fire to be a fighter ? I think 20,000 may be a bit high. IMHO

194 coquimbojoe  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 6:11:30pm

re: #180 Morganfrost

Tell Hamas:

But what is a Hamas surrender to look like? They give up all their weapons. The fighters leave Gaza for parts unknown? (who wants them?). They all learn how to say, 'I'm your Beyotch in Hebrew'? I don't think surrender is an option.

195 Dr. Shalit  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 6:12:07pm

re: #193 brookly red

Are fighters counted by those willing to remotely fire a rocket from cover, or do you actually have to face return fire to be a fighter ? I think 20,000 may be a bit high. IMHO

"b-r" -

SEEMS like subtracting an order of magnitude might be about right.

-S-

196 Dr. Shalit  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 6:13:29pm

re: #194 coquimbojoe

But what is a Hamas surrender to look like? They give up all their weapons. The fighters leave Gaza for parts unknown? (who wants them?). They all learn how to say, 'I'm your Beyotch in Hebrew'? I don't think surrender is an option.

coqui -

My version, in total, would get me banned on LGF.

-S-

197 brookly red  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 6:15:05pm

re: #195 Dr. Shalit

"b-r" -

SEEMS like subtracting an order of magnitude might be about right.

-S-


Does that mean that the number goes down after every boom?

198 democast  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 6:22:52pm

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199 [deleted]  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 6:24:03pm
200 guftafs  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 6:24:49pm

re: #193 brookly red

Are fighters counted by those willing to remotely fire a rocket from cover, or do you actually have to face return fire to be a fighter ? I think 20,000 may be a bit high. IMHO

It's a number that's been figuring in the media and, granted, I have no way to corroborate it.

But if Palestinian casualties are in the hundreds, then they are no way near producing the devastating effect that has to be delivered in order to bring home the realities of war to them. If they had, we would have heard from them begging for peace, not a ceasefire. Get ready for the next round in this sluggermatch, 's all 'm sayin' ...

201 nucular_option  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 6:29:49pm

What are the flare-like munitions spraying incindiaries called?

202 itellu3times  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 6:30:29pm

re: #194 coquimbojoe

But what is a Hamas surrender to look like? They give up all their weapons. The fighters leave Gaza for parts unknown? (who wants them?). They all learn how to say, 'I'm your Beyotch in Hebrew'? I don't think surrender is an option.

"Surrender" is trivial, stop firing rockets.

Israel is foolish to demand so little, but that is all they have stated.

203 UberInfidel67  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 6:31:48pm

re: #145 buzzdroid
I have never heard anything like that in my life. OMG. Time to clean house men and women of the IDF. Never stop when you got 'em on the ropes!

204 FrogMarch  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 6:33:51pm

Drive by post- vrrrooom
Don't forget to vote for hot air for "best blog" (why isn't LGF on there?)
We don't want that fraud, Excitable Andy, to take it. that would be torture.
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205 Pietr  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 6:34:50pm

It seems to me, that IDF is attacking that strip of woods that gmsc (? I think) equated to Central Park? I imagine it is a warren of tunnels and stashes-and it seems they want it razed! Anyone else think that's the case?

206 mikeytrix  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 6:38:21pm

re: #194 coquimbojoe

There's no way Hamas surrenders. Can Israel completely destroy Hamas? Doubtful without massive collateral damage. Clearly Hamas is going to be very weak coming out of this war, and Fatah will fill the vacuum. And round and round we go, unless Israel transfers the arabs.

207 Daryl Herbert  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 6:39:59pm

Their idea of a ceasefire, as we’ve seen repeatedly, is a pause to rearm, recuperate, and retrain.

And they don't even cease firing! They will fire at least 10 rockets into Israel every week if Israel agrees to a "ceasefire."

208 Dr. Shalit  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 6:40:05pm

re: #197 brookly red

Does that mean that the number goes down after every boom?

"brookly" -

Depends upon how CLOSE the next BOOM goes BOOM.

-S-

209 nucular_option  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 6:41:54pm

Hamas won't legitimately surrender. It's against their charter. They have to be more radical than the previous radical group and will die for their efforts. The IDF will easily clean house and make way for a new parking garage.

210 [deleted]  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 6:42:22pm
211 Maximu§  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 6:42:54pm

Cease fire? Hamas wanted a fight to the death with IDF soldiers and now they have their chance.

Go out there and die for Allah or STFU and surrender Unconditionally.

212 [deleted]  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 6:44:14pm
213 Dr. Shalit  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 6:45:38pm

re: #206 mikeytrix

There's no way Hamas surrenders. Can Israel completely destroy Hamas? Doubtful without massive collateral damage. Clearly Hamas is going to be very weak coming out of this war, and Fatah will fill the vacuum. And round and round we go, unless Israel transfers the arabs.

mikeytrix -

BINGO! - Fatah Rule, on a short leash, would fulfill Israeli War Aims. Pity the Poor Gazans under this plan, they will be stolen blind - AGAIN - AND - that is NOT Israel's Problem Per Se. Effectively - SOW THE WIND and REAP THE WHIRLWIND. That is all.

-S-

-S-

214 [deleted]  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 6:48:01pm
215 Eclectic Infidel  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 7:03:18pm

No ceasefire. Hamas MUST be destroyed.

216 Dr. Shalit  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 7:03:19pm

re: #214 ploome hineni

to the muslim peace is SUBMISSION

ploomie -

The effect of 9:29 Qua'ran will be to have the BOOT of the Infidel on the NECK of the Believer for the foreseeable future so long as the Infidel has the will to resist.
Were I a Muslim, with a patent office that processes about 10 Domestic Patents per Year (The Saudi Patent Office), that imports ALL Industrial processes if NOT products, whose medicine depends on the largess of Israel and the EU, and on and on - I would be ashamed and PISSED OFF.
The question is HOW and to WHO such shame and anger would be addressed.
There lies the Problem - AND THE OPPORTUNITY.

-S-

217 z9z99  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 7:06:43pm

#200 guftafs

I doubt that the current incarnation of Palestinian leadership will ever ask for peace because "peace" really has no value to them. Peace is desired by people who can respect others, and recognize that all individuals are entitled to respect and common decency just by the fact of their being human. What Hamas, and the Iranians and the Wahabists want is not peace, because they are not animated by the concept that human life is a special thing regardless of its circumstances; they are motivated by the supremecist fantasy that ferments in a pool of grievance, failure, and misery.

The Israelis say they want the rockets that are fired indiscriminantly into civilian areas to stop.

Well, no shit.

But it seems clear from history and the Palestinians' own statements that they are not willing to give the Israelis peace in exchange for being left alone or to rule themselves or traipse about unmolested. The Palestinians (and the Islamo-fascists, and Islamo-fantasists) want the submission of the Jews of Palestine to them. Hell, they even named their religion after such desire. The fact is that given the present motivation of Hamas and Hizb'Allah and Iran, there is nothing that Israel can concede that will divest its enemies of their casus belli. The Palestinians have to accept that they are not superior because of birth or belief, that being a Muslim does not confer dominance as a matter of right and that their anti-human fantasies are just that.

Until such time (and God-willing, it will occur, because Palestinians are human) a "cease fire" merely perpetuates the fantasy that the noble warriors are wresting away the submission of the infidels using "every ruse and strategem of war." It will not be enough for Hamas to say "We will stop fighting now" or even "we will give you some peace in your cities if you make this or that concession." It will be necessary to hear Hamas declare that they are willing to give Israel what human beings everywhere deserve, and abandon ambitions born of warped fantasies and pursue those that arise from basic human decency.

218 Silhouette  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 7:18:01pm

NUTS

219 ryannon  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 7:34:12pm

Wow, creepy as hell

[Link: switch434-01.castup.net...]

The video feed is out, but the audio is still working: you can hear the roosters, the call to prayer - and the sounds of distant explosions and occasional gunfire in the distance.

A very strange sensation....

220 jcbunga  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 7:49:16pm

They're just waiting for someone to explain the rules.

Rules?

Well, if there aint' going to be any rules, let's get the fight started. Someone count. 1,2,3 go.

221 Lynn B.  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 7:54:07pm

As alluded to by bookly red in #21 above, there's a real disconnect in this report. Viz.

Iran warns Hamas not to accept truce

Iran is exerting heavy pressure on Hamas not to accept the Egyptian proposal for a cease-fire with Israel, an Egyptian government official said on Sunday.

The official told The Jerusalem Post by phone that two senior Iranian officials who visited Damascus recently warned Hamas leaders against accepting the proposal.

His remarks came as Hamas representatives met in Cairo with Egyptian Intelligence Chief Gen. Omar Suleiman and his aides to discuss ways of ending the fighting in the Gaza Strip.

The Hamas representatives reiterated their opposition to a cease-fire that did not include the reopening of all the border crossings into the Gaza Strip, Hamas spokesmen said on Sunday.

222 Bill K.  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 8:12:47pm

For Israel a ceasefire should be completely out of the question at any time. Israel has always had the military might to wipe out Hamas. They should use it.

Any ceasefire with Hamas still in power, no matter how bloodied they may be, is a victory for them and a defeat for Israel. Whatever happens to the Palestinian civilians should be of no concern to Israel. They elected Hamas on the explicit condition that the conflict with Israel would continue, they celebrate the death of every Israeli and they crave the destruction of Israel. Why then should they expect any quarter form Israel?

It is an absolute vice for Israel to support the Palestinian population, the avowed enemy of every Israeli, with food, medicine, power, etc. Justice demands they they be cut off completely. The turn the other cheek, love thy enemy as thyself Judeo/Christian religiosity is a travesty that allows this conflict to continue without end.

Wars are not won solely on the battlefield. The war must be brought home to the general population of the enemy. William Tecumseh Sherman, the great Civil War general, realized this after several years of bloody conflict between the North and the South resulted in a stalemate. Sherman's March to the Sea campaign brought the cost directly to the citizens of the South. At the burning of Atlanta he is reported to have said:

War is cruelty. There is no use trying to reform it. The crueler it is, the sooner it will be over.

Sherman's intent was not destruction for the sake of destruction but destruction to undercut the morale and the ability to prosecute the war for both the soldiers and civilians of the South. Sherman succeeded and the Civil War was soon over.

The greatest vice of contemporary wars by Israel and the United States is allowing wars to be prolonged indefinitely through inadequate application of force or bogus "humanitarian" concerns.

Sherman has a some more advice for the Israelis fighting in Gaza:

War is the remedy that our enemies have chosen, and I say let us give them all they want.

223 theheat  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 8:22:17pm

If Israel relents now, it's the same ole "Lucy pulling the football away" scenario they allow themselves to be sucked into every single time they start kicking ass.

I often wonder if Israel really wants to survive, the way they stop short each time, allowing their enemies to fortify and resume warring with them.

It's obvious there will never be peace, so long as Hamas is part of the equation. Either put them down like rabid dogs, or stop bitching when they lob missiles into your backyard (and schools, and delis, and buses, and coffee shops, and pizzerias...) Hamas has made their intentions clear, so I think that narrows possible solutions.

I'm for totally eliminating them, of course.

224 irongrampa  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 8:23:50pm

A cease fire should be declared at the precise time all opposition ceases.

225 freedom_fighter  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 8:24:52pm

re: #222 Bill K.

Brilliant! And historically right on point!

226 suitepotato  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 8:44:42pm

re: #45 Ben Hur

IMPOSE PEACE.

Perhaps only accidentally, perhaps purposely, but either way the single shortest embodiment of the nature of peace. War, conflict, struggle, this is the default way of life. Peace exists nowhere in nature. Ask the salmon picked off by a hungry bear how peaceful his stream is. If you want peace, whatever your conception of it, it must be imposed by action flowing from your will.

Bravo Ben Hur.

227 darkster2400  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 9:18:59pm

re: #220 jcbunga

One of the best movie scenes ever - I miss Paul Newman!

228 darkster2400  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 9:25:28pm

and speaking of movies - the scum Hamas remind me of that scene from the Monty Python movie where the Black Knight gets all his limbs cut off and keeps challenging King Arthur to fight and accusing him of being chicken - www.mwscomp.com...]>Monty Python movie link

Israel should cut off the head of Hamas - in Gaza and elsewhere - once & for all!

229 darkster2400  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 9:26:31pm

re: #222 Bill K.
right on!

230 So?  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 9:35:43pm

HUDNO. HUDNO. HUDNO.

231 UncleSam  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 9:48:07pm

Is there anything in human history which has caused as much death and misery as Islam?
Communism and fascism/Nazism are close, but they haven't had as long a run as Islam.

232 UncleSam  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 9:57:07pm

Thinking about it, communism probably wins the dubious title of winner in death, but more people have been made totally depraved, deprived and miserable under Islam over the years.

233 azkidney  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 11:17:13pm

Israel cannot stop now. They must finish the job. Do not give Hamas even a five minute breather. Remember the film "Ground Hog Day?" It appears Israels enemies know when they get beat up a little just call a time out, rearm, rest up and do it all over again the next morning. It is always the same. Never changes. Unless they want more rockets flying down on them in the near future, they have got to finish the conflict that Hamas started.
Go IDF!
azkidney

234 Amer-I-Can  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 6:19:11am

Just keep driving... pretty soon there won't be too many Hamas to worry about, that would be why Haniyeh is willing to deal. Find his "hiding place" and FINISH the job that was started!

235 horse  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 6:57:13am

re: 222/223/233/234 et al. Exactly correct. This is the one time Israel should abide by Iran's wishes. Hamas (and any other terrorists) must leave Gaza for there to be any real possibility of actual peace. Whether they leave running for their lives or in a box is the only control they should be allowed.

236 Paco from Sefarad  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 10:50:35am

Hamas thinks "ceasefire" means "You cease, we fire".

Not a good idea.

"On with the show", I say!


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