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Ruler: What plan will you follow now?

Eros: Plan 9. It’s been absolutely impossible to work through these Earth creatures. Their soul is too controlled.

Ruler: Plan 9…ah yes. Plan 9 deals with the resurrection of the dead. Long-distance electrodes shot into the pinion pituitary glands of recent dead. Have you attempted any of this plan as yet?

Eros: Yes Excellency.

Ruler: How successful has it been?

Eros: We have risen two so far. We shall be just as successful on more.

Ruler: The living…they have no suspicion of your movements?

Eros: We had to dispose of one policeman. However, none of those risen have been seen. At least, not by anyone who still remains alive.

Ruler: It’s too bad it must be handled this way. However it must. Those who take from the grave will lead the way for our other operations.

Eros: Yes, Excellency.

— Plan 9 from Outer Space

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1 Outrider  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 11:10:39pm

fresh thread in the morning!

2 BlueCanuck  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 11:11:56pm

Fresh thread smelll. *sniiiffffff* Ahhhhhh. So having never seen Plan 9, it's essentially a zombie movie?

3 traderjoe9  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 11:12:27pm

Fuck the UN.

4 x-wing  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 11:12:35pm

Finally...... I got tossed off the last thread around 1350 comments. I be needin' a bigger computer.

/almost thought the stick got me

5 gmsc  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 11:12:59pm

From Instapundit:

CALIFORNIA UPDATE: “The number of people leaving California for another state outstripped the number moving in from another state during the year ending on July 1, 2008. California lost a net total of 144,000 people during that period — more than any other state, according to census estimates. That is about equal to the population of Syracuse, N.Y. . . . With state government facing a $41.6 billion budget hole over 18 months, residents are bracing for higher taxes, cuts in education and postponed tax rebates. A multibillion-dollar plan to remake downtown Los Angeles has stalled, and office vacancy rates there and in San Diego and San Jose surpass the 10.2 percent national average.” It’s like the whole high-tax, high-regulation thing isn’t working for them.

6 redc1c4  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 11:13:42pm

would a Tac Nuke here be enough to ensure we have no more Plan 9 threads?

/desperate times, etc.......

7 Outrider  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 11:13:50pm

Has the story links section been disabled?

8 x-wing  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 11:14:11pm

What's up with Gazacam?

Whoop never mind.We're back in action. Rooster and all

9 Outrider  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 11:14:27pm

never mind. I got them back.

10 x-wing  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 11:15:36pm

re: #6 redc1c4

would a Tac Nuke here be enough to ensure we have no more Plan 9 threads?

/desperate times, etc.......


Don't know, but it would hurt to give it a shot.....fire when ready

11 Syrah  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 11:16:08pm

re: #5 gmsc

From Instapundit:

Attention leftist Californians fleeing the state of your own making.

Stay out of Washington State. It rains here. All the time. Everyday. You wouldn't like here. Go away. Try Venezuela or Cuba.

12 Salem  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 11:16:34pm

I guess the war's taking a lunch break.

13 Kragar  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 11:16:45pm

re: #5 gmsc

Heard an interview with the California Directors of Prisons. Interviewer asked him how badly they were overcrowded. 16,000 people over capacity. Interviewer asked how many illegal aliens they had in prison. 20,000.

Hospitals, schools, city services, same deal.

I wonder what they problem could be?

14 x-wing  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 11:16:47pm

I see people running on cam. Could IDF be far behind?

15 Salem  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 11:17:20pm

People on the street bottom right.

16 redc1c4  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 11:17:28pm

re: #5 gmsc

From Instapundit:

don't worry.......

17 Inquisitive  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 11:17:54pm

re: #12 Salem

I guess the war's taking a lunch break.


Sound track keeps messing up......

18 jwb7605  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 11:18:07pm

FINALLY!

I've been waiting to give Empire1 my review of the new Hannity. I promised to do that a couple threads ago.

First part was like Hannity sans Colmes. Sucked a lot less.
Then Bush was interviewed, I'd seen Bush interviewed, blew it off.
Then a "panel" (reminiscent of Brit Hume's panel style) started, with 3 guests, including Meat Loaf. Standard stuff, one conservative congresswoman, one liberal, and Meat Loaf was there for balance, I think.
It would have been OK, but Hannity couldn't control the group. Topic was the economy, and nobody made a coherent argument.

Meat Loaf has lost weight, but is still funny.

I think a couple episodes are necessary before I draw a firm conclusion.
So far, all I can say is that it sucks less. I give it a two thumbs.

I might watch regularly if I'm not busy brushing my teeth or combing the dog.

19 ohiogirl  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 11:18:08pm

re: #11 Syrah

Attention leftist Californians fleeing the state of your own making.

Stay out of Washington State. It rains here. All the time. Everyday. You wouldn't like here. Go away. Try Venezuela or Cuba.

Stay away from Ohio too - in fact I'd like to this week. Friday's high is forcast as -1, low -13. Good grief!

20 astronmr20  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 11:18:12pm

re: #3 traderjoe9

Fuck the UN.

Indeed. Right in the ear.

21 redc1c4  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 11:18:32pm

re: #13 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Heard an interview with the California Directors of Prisons. Interviewer asked him how badly they were overcrowded. 16,000 people over capacity. Interviewer asked how many illegal aliens they had in prison. 20,000.

Hospitals, schools, city services, same deal.

I wonder what they problem could be?

it's a mystery to us all........

/white smoke

22 Render  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 11:18:58pm

Those are the Wall-Thugs. That wall below the two-tone building seems to be a popular hang out area.

I still think they're playing touch football.

WEIRDLY,
R

23 beermeister  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 11:18:58pm

Enviro-fascists strike again. Plasmas are no good. Traditional light bulbs are no good. Time to control human breathing. When will it end?

[Link: www.dailymail.co.uk...]

24 beermeister  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 11:19:50pm

Someone likes Plan 9. How about Forbidden Planet?

25 Inquisitive  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 11:19:50pm

Good....they got locked in on the signal again....good sound and pic

26 Kragar  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 11:19:54pm

re: #23 beermeister

Enviro-fascists strike again. Plasmas are no good. Traditional light bulbs are no good. Time to control human breathing. When will it end?

[Link: www.dailymail.co.uk...]

When we get tired of the Libs shit and tell them to fuck off?

27 x-wing  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 11:20:01pm

What for country did they just switch to? Never mind, we're back again.

Israel must be really laying the wood now.

28 Kragar  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 11:20:28pm

re: #27 x-wing

What for country did they just switch to? Never mind, we're back again.

Israel must be really laying the wood now.

I MISSED THE POLISH PORN?!

29 Salem  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 11:20:42pm

What, are they playing hoops or something?

30 astronmr20  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 11:20:52pm

re: #24 beermeister

Someone likes Plan 9. How about Forbidden Planet?

That's actually not a bad film.

31 gmsc  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 11:21:43pm

re: #11 Syrah

Attention leftist Californians fleeing the state of your own making.

Stay out of Washington State. It rains here. All the time. Everyday. You wouldn't like here. Go away. Try Venezuela or Cuba.

Got anything to discourage them from moving to Las Vegas?
;)

32 jwb7605  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 11:22:06pm

re: #28 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I MISSED THE POLISH PORN?!

Why does polish porn make me think of sneaky ways to do upskirt videos?
Apparently, I need to sleep on that.
Good night, all!

33 redc1c4  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 11:22:58pm

re: #19 ohiogirl

Stay away from Ohio too - in fact I'd like to this week. Friday's high is forcast as -1, low -13. Good grief!

only reason we stay........

34 realwest  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 11:23:24pm

Well y'all it's been interesting and educational as usual on LGF but I gotta get some sleep.
But listen up y'all - I KNOW Charles doesn't care, but I do and I wish y'all would go over and vote for LGF for Best Conservative Blog: [Link: 2008.weblogawards.org...] I thank you all kindly.
And now I'm outta here, hope I get the chance to see you all down the road.

Good night, all.

35 x-wing  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 11:23:26pm

OK cars really picking up the pace, something going on. And I doubt they are late for prayer.

36 gmsc  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 11:23:28pm

re: #16 redc1c4

don't worry.......

Good - when they reach enough illegal alien births, we can declare California a different country. We're more than ready to put a border fence between California and Nevada!

37 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 11:23:40pm

re: #11 Syrah

Attention leftist Californians fleeing the state of your own making.

Stay out of Washington State. It rains here. All the time. Everyday. You wouldn't like here. Go away. Try Venezuela or Cuba.

I would not leave California, even if Washington State had Cuban cigars, Cuban food, and hot young Cubans. I like it here. Even if we are currently being plagued by "Diablo winds".

I am probably not technically a 'leftist', though.

38 Syrah  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 11:23:49pm

re: #31 gmsc

Got anything to discourage them from moving to Las Vegas?
;)

No. If I understand it, you want them to go to lost wages and then leave broke, If Nevada were to offer free bus rides back to LA, they could really clean up.

39 astronmr20  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 11:24:46pm

re: #34 realwest

Well y'all it's been interesting and educational as usual on LGF but I gotta get some sleep.
But listen up y'all - I KNOW Charles doesn't care, but I do and I wish y'all would go over and vote for LGF for Best Conservative Blog: [Link: 2008.weblogawards.org...] I thank you all kindly.
And now I'm outta here, hope I get the chance to see you all down the road.

Good night, all.

Interesting... Ace of Spades and Small Dead Animals are almost tied...

40 gmsc  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 11:24:53pm

re: #38 Syrah

No. If I understand it, you want them to go to lost wages and then leave broke, If Nevada were to offer free bus rides back to LA, they could really clean up.

Better yet, offer free bus rides, but only to points east.
;)

41 Silvergirl  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 11:25:10pm

re: #8 x-wing

What's up with Gazacam?

Whoop never mind.We're back in action. Rooster and all

I knew you missed that rooster. We've grown accustomed to his crow. Don't deny it, all you "Can't someone shut that rooster up?" people.

42 x-wing  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 11:25:25pm

re: #28 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I MISSED THE POLISH PORN?!

You didn't miss much, they all had there underwear on. Go figure ;>}

/

43 Wishing  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 11:25:40pm

Hmm...does anyone have audio feed?

44 Dustyvet  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 11:25:43pm

re: #20 astronmr20

Indeed. Right in the ear.

Kinky...

45 Kragar  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 11:25:49pm

Allow me to translate the Gazacam Announcements:

We are all dumbasses!
WTF were we thinking?
Israel is kicking our asses and we deserve it!

I think thats what he is saying anyways.

46 jwb7605  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 11:26:24pm

re: #11 Syrah

Attention leftist Californians fleeing the state of your own making.

Stay out of Washington State. It rains here. All the time. Everyday. You wouldn't like here. Go away. Try Venezuela or Cuba.

And you've already ruined Colorado. And it snows and you guys suck driving in that stuff, run over cliffs and cause major drive-by-gawking.

That really is all.

47 Inquisitive  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 11:26:37pm

What time is it there in Gaza....I'm figuring around noon....how far am I off?

48 x-wing  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 11:26:46pm

re: #34 realwest

You mean I get one more shot? I'm on it realwest.

Sleep well.

49 Render  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 11:27:11pm

re: #43 Wishing

Right side only. It's making my head tilt (headphones).

LEANING,
R

50 gmsc  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 11:27:45pm

re: #46 jwb7605

And you've already ruined Colorado. And it snows and you guys suck driving in that stuff, run over cliffs and cause major drive-by-gawking.

That really is all.

Well, I really don't mind the Californians driving off cliff things so much . . .

51 Syrah  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 11:28:07pm

re: #37 SanFranciscoZionist

I would not leave California, even if Washington State had Cuban cigars, Cuban food, and hot young Cubans. I like it here. Even if we are currently being plagued by "Diablo winds".

I am probably not technically a 'leftist', though.

Not much in the way of Cuban food here. IIRC, there is a pretty good Cuban restaurant across the street from Standford University near you that is worth checking out. I think it was called Jose's.

52 ohiogirl  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 11:28:11pm

re: #33 redc1c4

only reason we stay........

That forcast sounds like a dream. But you can keep the mudslides earthquakes and fires. I may freeze this week but the house will remain standing.

53 x-wing  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 11:28:41pm

re: #41 Silvergirl

I knew you missed that rooster. We've grown accustomed to his crow. Don't deny it, all you "Can't someone shut that rooster up?" people.

I just hope when this fight is over we don't need "rooster separation counciling" ;>}

//

54 realwest  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 11:28:52pm

re: #39 astronmr20 Well damnit go vote for LGF!
Now I am outta here!
Sleep well (after you've voted) y'all!

55 Kragar  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 11:29:10pm

Not quite the siege of Stalingrad is it?

56 Silvergirl  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 11:30:31pm

re: #54 realwest

Well damnit go vote for LGF!
Now I am outta here!
Sleep well (after you've voted) y'all!

G'night! First it's mom telling us to brush our teeth before we go to bed, and now it's realwest telling us to vote before bed. Did it!

57 gmsc  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 11:30:40pm

re: #52 ohiogirl

That forcast sounds like a dream. But you can keep the mudslides earthquakes and fires. I may freeze this week but the house will remain standing.

This just in - so many people are leaving California that it's taking an unexpected amount of weight off the faults, especially in Southern California. As such, the remaining people will be subjected to a massive earthquake sooner than they expected.

58 x-wing  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 11:30:44pm

re: #47 Inquisitive

What time is it there in Gaza....I'm figuring around noon....how far am I off?


They're 7 hrs. ahead of EST. so it is 0930.

59 NY Nana  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 11:31:47pm

Blogger Uncovers Possible CNN Video Fraud

The popular American blog Little Green Footballs (LGF), run by Charles Johnson, has uncovered several discrepancies in a video report from Gaza that purports to show the death and burial of a 12-year-old boy. The video was aired on CNN and Channel 4 news in Britain.

The dramatic video shows last-ditch efforts to save the life of young Mahmoud Mashharawi, news anchors said. However, Mahmoud cannot be revived, and the video moves on to show his grieving family and the beginnings of a hasty burial. The video footage was allegedly recorded by none other than Mahmoud's older brother, Ashraf Mashharawi, a freelance photographer in Gaza.

The Mashharawi family claimed that Mahmoud and a 14-year-old cousin were killed by an Israeli drone while playing on their rooftop. Relatives blamed a small guided missile fired by the unmanned drone for the boys' death. Their claim was repeated by news anchors, with a British reporter making the dramatic proclamation that, “Israel, equipped with the most technologically advanced guided missiles and video target selection that America can supply had selected, targeted and killed two more children in Gaza.”

The family did not explain how it was known that a drone was responsible, and no member of the family claimed to have witnessed the attack itself. IDF spokesmen say they are unfamiliar with any such incident.

Johnson began questioning the report soon after it aired. It opens with doctors supposedly making frantic efforts to save the child, but as talkbacks on the LGF site pointed out, the doctors were lightly massaging the child's stomach and not frantically pounding his chest as one might expect.

Other members of the site soon raised similar questions, asking why the boy did not appear to be receiving any transfusions or medication while doctors reportedly tried to save him, why the rooftop on which he was allegedly killed appeared damaged over only a small area and why pictures of the boy showed no injury to his face or head while an accompanying CNN report said he had been “hit in the head and all over his body by shrapnel.”

The site's members quickly began demanding that CNN and Ashraf Mashharawi release the original footage that was edited to become the CNN report. The demands were rebuffed by reporter Paul Martin, who first sent Mashharawi's film to Western media.

After making statements praising Mashharawi as a professional and respected reporter, Martin contacted the LGF site to defend his video. Martin attacked Johnson and LGF for questioning the footage, saying, “No one in their right mind would suggest that any person would allow doctors to play games with a dying or dead younger brother. The idea is bizarre and deeply insulting.... I think a decent apology to Ashraf might be in order.”

However, Martin's letter raised new questions, as he admitted to having sent the video to major media outlets without actually watching it beforehand.

Meanwhile, CNN and other outlets say the video is genuine, a claim they base on Martin's firm support for Mashharawi.

Johnson and his supporters have uncovered major cases of news-related fraud in the past. Little Green Footballs was behind the discovery of photo manipulation regarding a story on an Iranian missile test, and also uncovered several photoshopped images and staged pictures from southern Lebanon during the Second Lebanon War. In addition, the site has been the first to break shocking images from anti-Israel and anti-U.S. rallies from across America.

I posted this in the spinoffs, also.

G'nite, all! Sweet dreams! Charles deserves all this credit and more!

60 Tumulus11  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 11:32:00pm

. Is the 10 a.m. seething still on?

61 gmsc  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 11:32:42pm

Just for fun, whenever you visit California, constantly ask the people if even the smallest thing is allowed there:

• "Is it alright if I swing my arms when I walk? I figured California might have a law against it."

• "Am I blinking too much? I know I should probably blink less to minimize my effect on the environment."

62 redc1c4  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 11:32:58pm

re: #37 SanFranciscoZionist

I would not leave California, even if Washington State had Cuban cigars, Cuban food, and hot young Cubans. I like it here. Even if we are currently being plagued by "Diablo winds".

I am probably not technically a 'leftist', though.

"There was a desert wind blowing that night. It was one of those hot dry Santa Anas that come down through the mountain passes and curl your hair and make your nerves jump and your sking itch. On nights like that every booze party ends in a fight. Meek little wives feel the edge of the carving knife and study their husbands' necks. Anything can happen. You can even get a full glass of beer at a cocktail lounge."

63 Inquisitive  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 11:33:17pm

re: #58 x-wing

They're 7 hrs. ahead of EST. so it is 0930.

Thanks!

64 Wishing  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 11:34:33pm

re: #59 NY Nana

Blogger Uncovers Possible CNN Video Fraud

I posted this in the spinoffs, also.

G'nite, all! Sweet dreams! Charles deserves all this credit and more!

Terrific, Nana! Thank you!
Way to go Charles!

65 beermeister  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 11:34:54pm

re: #26 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

When we get tired of the Libs shit and tell them to fuck off?

People keep voting for them. I guess they don't like thinking for themselves and like being told what to do.

66 kynna  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 11:35:01pm

I am NOT a leftist and I would leave California in a heartbeat. I actually think the people leaving are non-leftist, so anywhere they settle might not be worse off for it.

Right now we have to stay here for hubby's work. If we ever get the chance to live somewhere else we will. I don't hate California -- it's a gorgeous state -- but I do hate what it's 'leadership' is doing to it. There is no reason a state with these resources should be bankrupt, but there you have it.

We had been thinking of buying a house when we first moved out here but it was too expensive. Now that prices are coming down, I don't want to buy because I want the option to pull the chocks the second we can relocate. I wouldn't mind the Pacific Northwest, but my heart's in Virginny. ;D

67 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 11:35:06pm

re: #55 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Not quite the siege of Stalingrad is it?

I know at least six guys who personally won the battle of Stalingrad, and this, sir, is no Stalingrad.

Which is not to say I am not happy to be elsewhere.

68 BakaRanger  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 11:35:10pm

re: #24 beermeister

Someone likes Plan 9. How about Forbidden Planet?

That's actually not a bad film.


The Krell, who knew aliens could make such great high-end audio?

69 JHW  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 11:35:35pm

Saw this one on Michael Ledeen's blog, pretty good story, even if unverified.

One of my regular correspondents, a serious chap, sends the following:
According to a Marine Pilot:

In addition to communicating with the local Air Traffic Control facility, all aircraft in the Persian Gulf AOR are required to give the Iranian Air Defense Radar (military) a ten minute ‘heads up’ if they will be transiting Iranian airspace.

This is a common procedure for commercial aircraft and involves giving them your call sign, transponder code, type aircraft, and points of origin and destination.

I just flew with a guy who overheard this conversation on the VHF Guard (emergency) frequency 121.5 MHz while flying from Europe to Dubai. It’s too good not to pass along. The conversation went something like this…

Iranian Air Defense Radar: ‘Unknown aircraft at (location unknown), you are in Iranian airspace. Identify yourself.’

Aircraft: ‘This is a United States aircraft. I am in Iraqi airspace.’

Air Defense Radar: ‘ You are in Iranian airspace. If you do not depart our airspace we will launch interceptor aircraft!’

Aircraft: ‘This is a United States Marine Corps FA-18 fighter. Send ‘em up, I’ll wait!’
Air Defense Radar: (no response … total silence)


Pajamas Media, Michael Ledeen

70 Syrah  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 11:35:36pm

re: #62 redc1c4

"There was a desert wind blowing that night. It was one of those hot dry Santa Anas that come down through the mountain passes and curl your hair and make your nerves jump and your sking itch. On nights like that every booze party ends in a fight. Meek little wives feel the edge of the carving knife and study their husbands' necks. Anything can happen. You can even get a full glass of beer at a cocktail lounge."

Chandler!

Redwind?

I haven't read that one yet.

I should dig the book out of the shelves.

71 x-wing  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 11:36:14pm

re: #59 NY Nana

Hi Nana, just wanted to say that the special on FOX the other night was awesome. Thanks for letting me know when it was on.

72 beermeister  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 11:36:23pm

re: #30 astronmr20

That's actually not a bad film.

Which one? I don't remember if I saw Plan 9, but I saw Ed Wood. I liked Forbidden Planet. Krell audio gear gets its name from that film.

73 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 11:36:28pm

re: #61 gmsc

Just for fun, whenever you visit California, constantly ask the people if even the smallest thing is allowed there:

• "Is it alright if I swing my arms when I walk? I figured California might have a law against it."

• "Am I blinking too much? I know I should probably blink less to minimize my effect on the environment."

AAAAAAHHHHH! IT'S YOU! YOU'RE THE ONE WHO GETS THEM TO DO THAT!

74 redc1c4  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 11:36:57pm

re: #52 ohiogirl

That forcast sounds like a dream. But you can keep the mudslides earthquakes and fires. I may freeze this week but the house will remain standing.

so far, all that shit happens somewhere else.......

well, except the earthquakes, and the house has survived everything since WW2, so we're fairly good. %-)

quake once in awhile/warm every winter = fair trade

/imho

75 Karridine  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 11:37:21pm

So here, for your Overnight Open enjoyment, freshly Plan-9 revived from death, is an interview with 'Zarkman' Zarqawi
and In the Koran
and Aloha Snackbar, all in one place for your latenight listening pleasure...

Or a taste of Reality! A real conservative crowd-pleaser, and usually goes over the heads of moonbats!

76 Syrah  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 11:37:25pm

re: #66 kynna

I am NOT a leftist and I would leave California in a heartbeat. I actually think the people leaving are non-leftist, so anywhere they settle might not be worse off for it.

Right now we have to stay here for hubby's work. If we ever get the chance to live somewhere else we will. I don't hate California -- it's a gorgeous state -- but I do hate what it's 'leadership' is doing to it. There is no reason a state with these resources should be bankrupt, but there you have it.

We had been thinking of buying a house when we first moved out here but it was too expensive. Now that prices are coming down, I don't want to buy because I want the option to pull the chocks the second we can relocate. I wouldn't mind the Pacific Northwest, but my heart's in Virginny. ;D

Its a secret so don't tell anyone, but the summers up here are a page out of paradise. If you can handle the long wet winters, the summers are wonderful.

77 the phantom  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 11:37:58pm

Monsters from the Id!

78 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 11:38:02pm

re: #62 redc1c4

"There was a desert wind blowing that night. It was one of those hot dry Santa Anas that come down through the mountain passes and curl your hair and make your nerves jump and your sking itch. On nights like that every booze party ends in a fight. Meek little wives feel the edge of the carving knife and study their husbands' necks. Anything can happen. You can even get a full glass of beer at a cocktail lounge."

Yeah. It's kind of like that.

79 Dustyvet  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 11:38:32pm

re: #61 gmsc

Just for fun, whenever you visit California, constantly ask the people if even the smallest thing is allowed there:

• "Is it alright if I swing my arms when I walk? I figured California might have a law against it."

• "Am I blinking too much? I know I should probably blink less to minimize my effect on the environment."

Q: Can you give me some information about hippo racing in Australia?(USA)
A: A-fri-ca is the big triangle shaped continent south of Europe. Aus-tra-lia is that big island in the middle of the pacific which does not... oh forget it. Sure, the hippo racing is every Tuesday night in Kings Cross. Come naked.

80 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 11:40:03pm

re: #79 Dustyvet

Q: Can you give me some information about hippo racing in Australia?(USA)
A: A-fri-ca is the big triangle shaped continent south of Europe. Aus-tra-lia is that big island in the middle of the pacific which does not... oh forget it. Sure, the hippo racing is every Tuesday night in Kings Cross. Come naked.

Can you tell me when the Vienna Boys' Choir will be performing?

81 gmsc  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 11:40:13pm

re: #73 SanFranciscoZionist

AAAAAAHHHHH! IT'S YOU! YOU'RE THE ONE WHO GETS THEM TO DO THAT!

Yep!

82 Inquisitive  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 11:40:44pm

Okay...I have to ask I am guessing is a dumb ?....but...the last few days, I have heard so much traffic over this Gaza Cam.....where are they getting all there gas from....
ut oh....new rounds coming in....break time over....

83 x-wing  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 11:40:53pm

Sounds like it's game on again.

84 Dustyvet  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 11:41:41pm

re: #80 SanFranciscoZionist

Can you tell me when the Vienna Boys' Choir will be performing?

Snort....You owe me a key board and a dry towel for the cat....:)

85 beermeister  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 11:42:05pm

re: #68 BakaRanger

re: #24 beermeister

Someone likes Plan 9. How about Forbidden Planet?

That's actually not a bad film.


The Krell, who knew aliens could make such great high-end audio?

Mentioned that in another response. Didn't see your post. Krell is nice. I've run with Cary tubes.

86 Outrider  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 11:42:10pm

re: #80 SanFranciscoZionist

Can you tell me when the Vienna Boys' Choir will be performing?

Second Thursdays of the month at 7 pm. knock twice and tell them Luigi sent you.

87 Salem  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 11:42:19pm

Looks like they got the Lords of Flatbush are loitering around on the street there.

88 NY Nana  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 11:42:25pm

re: #64 Wishing

Way to go Charles!

Charles has been the best, and he seems to spot a possible fake like a radar device!

I don't even try to pretend I know how he does it!

89 Wishing  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 11:42:54pm

re: #88 NY Nana

Charles has been the best, and he seems to spot a possible fake like a radar device!

I don't even try to pretend I know how he does it!

The FORCE.

90 Silvergirl  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 11:43:18pm

re: #62 redc1c4

"There was a desert wind blowing that night. It was one of those hot dry Santa Anas that come down through the mountain passes and curl your hair and make your nerves jump and your sking itch. On nights like that every booze party ends in a fight. Meek little wives feel the edge of the carving knife and study their husbands' necks. Anything can happen. You can even get a full glass of beer at a cocktail lounge."

Love it! I've read or heard this somewhere before, but can't place it now.

91 redc1c4  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 11:43:23pm

re: #70 Syrah

Chandler!

Redwind?

I haven't read that one yet.

I should dig the book out of the shelves.

no better writing, at least about LA, than his.....

/imho

92 Render  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 11:43:28pm

Quick volley of tank fire. One burst of AK (?) fire in the middle.

The Wall Thugs seem unconcerned.

THE
GAME
GOES
ON,
R

93 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 11:43:29pm

re: #84 Dustyvet

Snort....You owe me a key board and a dry towel for the cat....:)

Sorry 'bout that.

94 SurferDoc  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 11:43:40pm

re: #62 redc1c4

"There was a desert wind blowing that night. It was one of those hot dry Santa Anas that come down through the mountain passes and curl your hair and make your nerves jump and your sking itch. On nights like that every booze party ends in a fight. Meek little wives feel the edge of the carving knife and study their husbands' necks. Anything can happen. You can even get a full glass of beer at a cocktail lounge."

Ray? Is that you?

/

95 Render  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 11:44:21pm

re: #82 Inquisitive

The fuel is coming from Israel.

YOU
ASKED,
R

96 x-wing  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 11:44:45pm

re: #82 Inquisitive

re: #82 Inquisitive

Okay...I have to ask I am guessing is a dumb ?....but...the last few days, where are they getting all there gas from....

A large shipment of baked beans?

97 Inquisitive  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 11:44:49pm

re: #87 Salem

Looks like they got the Lords of Flatbush are loitering around on the street there.

Big loud thump didn't seem to phase them....did it....didn't see them go running or anything....just continuing on as if nothing happening....

98 Salem  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 11:44:52pm

re: #91 redc1c4

no better writing, at least about LA, than his.....

/imho

James Ellroy?

99 Syrah  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 11:45:14pm

re: #92 Render

Quick volley of tank fire. One burst of AK (?) fire in the middle.

The Wall Thugs seem unconcerned.

THE
GAME
GOES
ON,
R

It looks like kids playing in a schoolyard.

100 Wishing  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 11:45:27pm

Ok...that is definitely machine gun fire...tank?

101 Pietr  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 11:45:40pm

Last thread is within 64 of the Millenium thread....but I hazza cwash....bez genle wif it.....

102 Inquisitive  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 11:46:04pm

re: #95 Render

The fuel is coming from Israel.

YOU
ASKED,
R

Thanks for reply...but how and WHY?

103 Render  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 11:46:22pm

Two quick tank rounds. Much closer.

Feeds breaking up. Wall Thugs unmoved.

Small fire. More full mag AK stuff.

Single tank round. Several bursts of AK fire.

Wall Thugs form two huddles.

ON
THREE
HIKE,
R

104 Dustyvet  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 11:46:30pm

re: #93 SanFranciscoZionist

Sorry 'bout that.

Is otay, the cat will get over it...:)

105 gmsc  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 11:46:43pm

re: #79 Dustyvet

Q: Can you give me some information about hippo racing in Australia?(USA)
A: A-fri-ca is the big triangle shaped continent south of Europe. Aus-tra-lia is that big island in the middle of the pacific which does not... oh forget it. Sure, the hippo racing is every Tuesday night in Kings Cross. Come naked.

I used to have a whole list of suggestions about how to tell the difference between Australia and Austria:

• Ask which is closer: Tanzania or Tasmania
• Try driving to the nearest foreign country. If someone asks you for your passport, you're leaving Austria. If your car becomes waterlogged, you're leaving Australia.
...and so on.

/Coming naked - always a good idea. That way you don't have to wash the stains out of your clothes!

106 Winslow  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 11:46:43pm

re: #75 Karridine

Karridine, you might enjoy Pictures by Zombie.

107 NY Nana  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 11:46:48pm

re: #71 x-wing

I am so glad you liked it. I did, the 2 times I watched. It seems that Fox will make it into a DVD that they will sell...apparently no free version on Hulu, darn it.

If only there were a battalion of Gary Sinises!

G'nite for real! ;) Almost 3 AM here.

108 SurferDoc  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 11:47:32pm

Nite, Nana!

109 Wishing  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 11:48:23pm

wow thought we were going to slip into that nasty Polish pron!
But no, back to Gaza City.

110 Syrah  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 11:48:41pm

Goodnight all.

Vote LGF.

111 Render  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 11:49:01pm

Whoawhoawhoa Achmed, whatever that button was don't touch it again!

Wall Thugs are now pressed up against the wall. They were doing that yesterday whenever a UAV buzzed by.

BUZZ
BY,
R

112 lifeofthemind  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 11:49:40pm

Forbidden planet is The Tempest
If you are going to steal a plot, steal Shakespeare, because it works

113 NY Nana  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 11:49:42pm

re: #108 SurferDoc

'Nite, Surfer Doc! Wanna go surfing here? It is 23F right now! ;)

114 Silvergirl  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 11:50:09pm

re: #101 Pietr

Last thread is within 64 of the Millenium thread....but I hazza cwash....bez genle wif it.....

If it goes to 2000, it could also go to 2009, to commemorate the year Hamas bites it.

115 SurferDoc  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 11:50:41pm

re: #113 NY Nana

'Nite, Surfer Doc! Wanna go surfing here? It is 23F right now! ;)

It's around 43 here, Nana. But next time I'm in NY...

116 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 11:50:58pm

Hey! The Free Gaza boat blew its engine and has returned to Cyprus.

117 x-wing  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 11:51:12pm

re: #110 Syrah

Goodnight all.

Vote LGF.

Nite, and thanks for reminding, almost forgot. Can't vote yet, musta been up late and hammered last nite.

118 NY Nana  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 11:51:14pm

re: #89 Wishing

The FORCE.

Aha! I just knew there was a reason!

119 Dustyvet  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 11:51:52pm

re: #116 SanFranciscoZionist

Hey! The Free Gaza boat blew its engine and has returned to Cyprus.

I knew that sugar in the gas tank would work...:)

120 gmsc  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 11:51:54pm

re: #112 lifeofthemind

Forbidden planet is The Tempest
If you are going to steal a plot, steal Shakespeare, because it works

Or at least steal from a source that stole from Shakespeare, like Disney stealing the idea of doing Hamlet with lions (Lion King) from Kimba The White Lion.

Youtube Video
121 astronmr20  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 11:52:02pm

re: #116 SanFranciscoZionist

Hey! The Free Gaza boat blew its engine and has returned to Cyprus.

A well-placed .50 round?

122 redc1c4  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 11:52:08pm

re: #94 SurferDoc

Ray? Is that you?

/

“Chandler wrote like a slumming angel and invested the sun-blinded streets of Los Angeles with a romantic presence.” —Ross Macdonald

123 Render  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 11:52:49pm

That sounded like M-19 fire. Lots of auto fire now. It's too mixed up to pick out one type...

and the sound is gone.

VERDAMMT!,
R

124 astronmr20  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 11:52:52pm

re: #119 Dustyvet

I knew that sugar in the gas tank would work...:)

Sugar from Juice?

125 Wishing  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 11:52:56pm

re: #116 SanFranciscoZionist

Hey! The Free Gaza boat blew its engine and has returned to Cyprus.

See that?
He that keeps Israel neither slumbers nor sleeps!

126 NY Nana  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 11:52:58pm

re: #115 SurferDoc

It's around 43 here...

A heat wave! We are on LI Sound...not much surfing here, as far as I know....

Got. to. go.to. sleep! ;)

127 MrPaulRevere  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 11:53:31pm

re: #111 Render

Thanks again for the great play-by-play commentary. This cam is addictive.

128 Wishing  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 11:53:44pm

Speaking of the audio feed: we never heard ANY call to prayer!

129 Salem  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 11:53:54pm

re: #91 redc1c4

Oh, NM...

130 Dustyvet  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 11:54:04pm

re: #124 astronmr20

Sugar from Juice?

I'll never tell...:)

131 lifeofthemind  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 11:54:05pm

re: #116 SanFranciscoZionist

Hey! The Free Gaza boat blew its engine and has returned to Cyprus.

Lip burn?

132 SurferDoc  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 11:54:08pm

re: #122 redc1c4

“Chandler wrote like a slumming angel and invested the sun-blinded streets of Los Angeles with a romantic presence.” —Ross Macdonald

"Down these mean streets must walk a man who is not himself mean, who is neither tarnished nor afraid."

133 redc1c4  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 11:54:33pm

re: #98 Salem

James Ellroy?

followed in the footsteps.

i love his stuff, no mistake, but i believe even he will tell you one led to another.....

134 Karridine  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 11:55:23pm

re: #116 SanFranciscoZionist

Hey! The Free Gaza boat blew its engine and has returned LIMPED BACK to Cyprus.

With their limp spines, tucked limply into their limp, spineless reasons and kept handy in their back pockets and backpacks, limp with excitement

135 x-wing  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 11:56:03pm

re: #128 Wishing

Speaking of the audio feed: we never heard ANY call to prayer!


There was a guy earlier yelling the same thing over and over. Not sure if that was it or not. Don't know what call to prayer in Gaza sounds like.

136 Karridine  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 11:56:27pm

re: #106 Winslow

Did and DO... Thanks, Winslow!

137 Wishing  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 11:56:42pm

re: #135 x-wing

There was a guy earlier yelling the same thing over and over. Not sure if that was it or not. Don't know what call to prayer in Gaza sounds like.

You would know it if you heard it. I know what it sounds like (ghastly) and I did not hear it this morning.

138 astronmr20  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 11:57:24pm

re: #116 SanFranciscoZionist

Hey! The Free Gaza boat blew its engine and has returned paddled back to Cyprus.

/ I fix.

139 x-wing  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 11:58:24pm

re: #137 Wishing

You would know it if you heard it. I know what it sounds like (ghastly) and I did not hear it this morning.


Is it the same chant that they used in Blackhawk Down?

140 Wishing  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 11:58:35pm

Gnite, Lizards!
Sleep well.
GO IDF!

141 Wishing  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 11:59:01pm

re: #139 x-wing

Is it the same chant that they used in Blackhawk Down?

Didn't see the movie, sorry.

142 astronmr20  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 11:59:14pm

re: #141 Wishing

Didn't see the movie, sorry.

Worth watching.

143 Wishing  Mon, Jan 12, 2009 11:59:50pm

re: #142 astronmr20

Worth watching.

I will netflix it. Thanks!

144 lifeofthemind  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 12:00:14am

police sirens? in Gaza?

145 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 12:00:43am

re: #139 x-wing

Is it the same chant that they used in Blackhawk Down?

Probably-I think the adhan is the same everywhere, but I don't know if there are different 'tunes' to it--the equivalent of the Jewish nusach, I guess.

146 lifeofthemind  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 12:01:32am

re: #145 SanFranciscoZionist

Probably-I think the adhan is the same everywhere, but I don't know if there are different 'tunes' to it--the equivalent of the Jewish nusach, I guess.

BHO said it was the prettiest thing he ever heard

fill in this blank

147 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 12:02:11am

re: #142 astronmr20

Worth watching.

It's fairly intense, IIRC. I think my comment afterward was--"like being punched in the gut for two hours. Every American should see it!"

148 redc1c4  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 12:02:13am

re: #132 SurferDoc

"Down these mean streets must walk a man who is not himself mean, who is neither tarnished nor afraid."

Down these mean streets a man must go who is not himself mean, who is neither tarnished nor afraid. The detective must be a complete man and a common man and yet an unusual man. He must be, to use a rather weathered phrase, a man of honor. He talks as the man of his age talks, that is, with rude wit, a lively sense of the grotesque, a disgust for sham, and a contempt for pettiness."
- The Simple Art of Murder, Raymond Chandler

149 astronmr20  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 12:03:03am

re: #147 SanFranciscoZionist

It's fairly intense, IIRC. I think my comment afterward was--"like being punched in the gut for two hours. Every American should see it!"

Indeed. My brother, 101st Air Assault with Ranger cert. has trouble watching it after serving in Iraq.

150 Karridine  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 12:03:10am

re: #135 x-wing

.... Don't know what call to prayer in Gaza sounds like.

Mahmoud, the Jew army is com- BLAMMO!

Something like that, the Call to Prayer...

151 SurferDoc  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 12:03:42am

re: #148 redc1c4

Down these mean streets a man must go who is not himself mean, who is neither tarnished nor afraid. The detective must be a complete man and a common man and yet an unusual man. He must be, to use a rather weathered phrase, a man of honor. He talks as the man of his age talks, that is, with rude wit, a lively sense of the grotesque, a disgust for sham, and a contempt for pettiness."
- The Simple Art of Murder, Raymond Chandler

Thanks. I tried to do it from memory.

152 Pietr  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 12:04:06am

re: #137 Wishing

They did the sunrise prayer-all out of kilter-up to 10 mins apart. Then some Mosque was broadcasting something for about 15 minutes-maybe an Imam praying for/against Hams? They should be about due prayer #2, shouldn't they?

153 x-wing  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 12:04:11am

re: #142 astronmr20

Worth watching.

Oh yeah. But as always, the books better.

But yeah,if you get a chance,it's good.

nite

154 lifeofthemind  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 12:04:19am

Am I getting the live feed? looking at hills with red roof to lower left grey over white in center?

155 Render  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 12:05:49am

re: #144 lifeofthemind

Yes. HAMAS technicals (Toyota pick-ups) and ambulances (HAMAS APC's) both have them. Wait til you here people setting their car alarms...in a war zone - that isn't much of a war or a zone.

I believe this camera position is very close to al-Shifa hospital.

AS
THINGS
GO,
R

156 x-wing  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 12:06:40am

re: #145 SanFranciscoZionist

Probably-I think the adhan is the same everywhere, but I don't know if there are different 'tunes' to it--the equivalent of the Jewish nusach, I guess.

Well the one in the movie sounded like two cats fucking with less rhythm. And if that's the case,no I didn't hear that this a.m. ;>}

157 Karridine  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 12:07:01am

re: #149 astronmr20

Indeed. My brother, 101st Air Assault with Ranger cert. has trouble watching it after serving in Iraq.

So I think, for a moment or two, on a nation that HATES its self-defense mechanisms, then wonders why so many within it have Acquired Immune Deficiency Syndrome !

158 lifeofthemind  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 12:07:35am

re: #155 Render

Yes. HAMAS technicals (Toyota pick-ups) and ambulances (HAMAS APC's) both have them. Wait til you here people setting their car alarms...in a war zone - that isn't much of a war or a zone.

I believe this camera position is very close to al-Shifa hospital.

AS
THINGS
GO,
R

From what Muqata posted the other day IIRC al Shifa is where they are hiding in the basement, in the Israeli built laundry room

159 x-wing  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 12:08:04am

re: #150 Karridine

Mahmoud, the Jew army is com- BLAMMO!

Something like that, the Call to Prayer...


LOL, yeah I'd say the last few days it's been like that.

160 redc1c4  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 12:08:06am

re: #151 SurferDoc

Thanks. I tried to do it from memory.

you got the gist..... and i'm thinking there's a tad missing from that particular quote.

my fav:
"Down these mean streets a man must go who is not himself mean, who is neither tarnished nor afraid. He is the hero, he is everything. He must be a complete man and a common man and yet an unusual man. He must be, to use a rather weathered phrase, a man of honor, by instinct, by inevitability, without thought of it, and certainly without saying it. He must be the best man in his world and a good enough man for any world."--"The Simple Art of Murder"

161 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 12:08:13am

re: #158 lifeofthemind

From what Muqata posted the other day IIRC al Shifa is where they are hiding in the basement, in the Israeli built laundry room

Yep, that's the spot.

162 Pietr  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 12:08:47am

Red Roof is just below the street scene with an antenna/dish field at the very bottom/center screen. Same view as Gazacam yesterday, and b4, just doesn't pull back,pan down, to give the same view.

163 Render  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 12:08:59am

re: #154 lifeofthemind

Yes. That's the Two-Tone building I mention now and again.

Wall Thugs are right below that building.

Somebody's wailing "Aloha Snakbar."

BLADE
RUNNER,
R

164 lifeofthemind  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 12:09:02am

Ka boom

165 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 12:09:15am

So, why would they not be calling the adhan this morning?

166 SurferDoc  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 12:09:17am

re: #160 redc1c4

you got the gist..... and i'm thinking there's a tad missing from that particular quote.

my fav:
"Down these mean streets a man must go who is not himself mean, who is neither tarnished nor afraid. He is the hero, he is everything. He must be a complete man and a common man and yet an unusual man. He must be, to use a rather weathered phrase, a man of honor, by instinct, by inevitability, without thought of it, and certainly without saying it. He must be the best man in his world and a good enough man for any world."--"The Simple Art of Murder"

IIRC, that last is the whole quote.

167 x-wing  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 12:09:47am

re: #142 astronmr20

Worth watching.

Whoops was answering Wishing. Sorry

I aint outta here yet.

168 gmsc  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 12:10:40am

Note that the words "bar" and "pub" are conspicuously absent from this video:

Youtube Video
169 lifeofthemind  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 12:11:15am

Time then to get into the basement laundry and clean up

The Navy used to put out fires with something called Pigs Blood, wonder if we have any old containers laying around?

170 Pietr  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 12:11:55am

Sorry, my 162 was in reply to this

re: #154 lifeofthemind

Am I getting the live feed? looking at hills with red roof to lower left grey over white in center?

You can still get your millenium in the last thread...just 55 away.....:>)

171 redc1c4  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 12:11:58am

re: #166 SurferDoc

IIRC, that last is the whole quote.

blind pig!

/drink

172 Render  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 12:12:25am

re: #162 Pietr

I think this is a different camera from yesterday. Same rooftop, positioned differently, but different camera.

I haven't seen a zoom in almost four hours. Not much panning going on either.

Yesterdays camerman was much more entertaining.

MUG,
R

173 tradewind  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 12:14:35am

Ahhh. Four hours of Bauer Bliss. Jack's Back!
Just too freakin' bad that he's not in really in DC to clean up after The One wrecks the country.......

174 SurferDoc  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 12:14:50am

Good night, All. Beback after some shut-eye.

175 Pietr  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 12:15:31am

re: #172 Render

I think this is a different camera from yesterday. Same rooftop, positioned differently, but different camera.

I haven't seen a zoom in almost four hours. Not much panning going on either.

Yesterdays camerman was much more entertaining.

MUG,
R

They may have more than 1 camera now-it often is just a quick toggle now. As if they switched feeds, between cams; but, this view and one other, leave me thinking it's the same location, Render.

176 Silvergirl  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 12:16:08am

Did you hear the ham-ass braying just now? Truly!

177 x-wing  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 12:16:45am

OK that donkey didn't sound so good. Is that poor thing gonna be dinner?

178 lifeofthemind  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 12:17:14am

Just got feed techie stuff on screen for a sec

179 winston06  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 12:17:23am

good night every one

180 x-wing  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 12:21:14am

Anyone figure out why all the cars are beeping their horns at the same spot? Are one of those wall thugs a girl showing her boobies? ;>}

181 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 12:21:55am

Good night, all. Gotta deal with teenagers in the AM.

182 Render  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 12:22:15am

re: #175 Pietr

Agreed.

re: #176 Silvergirl

Abdul stop that right now!

===

Saw a minivan move past the Wall Thugs. They're adults.

Green flag building is just off the bottom of the screen, right of the red roof. I still see a green flag.

The vehicle PA announcements may be HAMAS giving orders to the civilian population. But there obviously isn't any curfew or martial law declared.

The Wall Thugs would tell us if there was.

===

Tanks rounds. Two.

GUNNER
HEAT,
R

183 astronmr20  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 12:23:00am

Give them nothing, IDF, but take from them everything.

184 x-wing  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 12:23:39am

Did our camera guy fall asleep again? Ah, here we go. Hey I haven't seen that building the last two days, are you sure we're in the same place?

185 redc1c4  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 12:24:11am

re: #174 SurferDoc

Good night, All. Beback after some shut-eye.

wuss!

186 Render  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 12:25:06am

This view. First dark line on the horizon is the hill where the Merkavas and armored excavators were seen yesterday. Looks like IDF removed all of the buildings on that ridge line since yesterday.

GOOD,
R

187 lifeofthemind  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 12:26:17am

re: #181 SanFranciscoZionist

Good night, all. Gotta deal with teenagers in the AM.

Try a whip and a chair, that approach always works.

188 lifeofthemind  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 12:27:20am

Did it move for you? mine hasn't moved

189 Pietr  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 12:27:50am

re: #184 x-wing

Did our camera guy fall asleep again? Ah, here we go. Hey I haven't seen that building the last two days, are you sure we're in the same place?

He seems to have zoomed, and moved the camera slightly right-same street in foreground, and you can see the top of some of the ant dishes...IMHO.

190 astronmr20  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 12:27:55am

Biden is in Afghanistan. Give me a fucking break.

191 Smilla  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 12:27:57am

I know it is a bit late to ask, but why Plan 9? What happened to Plans 1 to 8?

192 x-wing  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 12:28:33am

I wonder if the people of Sudan would trade,even up, with the Palis. Refugee camp for refugee camp?

193 Render  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 12:29:33am

Looks like there may be some more action on that ridge today, but Achmed won't or can't zoom in like he did yesterday.

1964,
R

194 lifeofthemind  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 12:29:35am

re: #190 astronmr20

Biden is in Afghanistan. Give me a fucking break.

Big place, a guy could get lost out there.

Accidents happen.

195 Smilla  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 12:30:12am

re: #190 astronmr20

Biden is in Afghanistan. Give me a fucking break.

Check out the RayBans and the fighter pilot jacket (The photo of him on Drudge). He has had a makeover - Botox, wardrobe, hair and makeup. I bet he carries a manbag.

196 x-wing  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 12:30:31am

God, did you just see that ? my eyes my eyes my eyes

197 lifeofthemind  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 12:30:36am

re: #191 Smilla

I know it is a bit late to ask, but why Plan 9? What happened to Plans 1 to 8?

Just don't ask about comment #17.

198 astronmr20  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 12:30:52am

re: #192 x-wing

I wonder if the people of Sudan would trade,even up, with the Palis. Refugee camp for refugee camp?

The oppressed refugees and true victims of Islam in Sudan would make the desert bloom as the Israelis did.

They would take the greenhouses and turn out orchids, and make peace with their neighbors.

The true refugees of the world would dream of turning that strip of beach into a paradise.

199 Render  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 12:30:58am

whoawhowhoa Achmed! No fat blond chicks!

Zoom, not porn.

SHEESH,
R

200 x-wing  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 12:32:54am

re: #191 Smilla

I know it is a bit late to ask, but why Plan 9? What happened to Plans 1 to 8?

They sucked so bad they figured they'd give it one more try. You may notice,there was never a plan 10.

/that's just my opinion ;.}

201 ohiogirl  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 12:32:56am

re: #188 lifeofthemind

Did it move for you? mine hasn't moved

Warped mind but I read that as "Was it good for you? Did the earth move?"

202 Pietr  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 12:32:59am

re: #182 Render

Regarding your reply to Silvergirl..."Probably a Hamasshole ordering all civilians to a certain area-gotta build their shield wall, and sandbags don't bleed for the cameras....:>( ."

203 lifeofthemind  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 12:33:33am

re: #199 Render

What are you seeing that I am not seeing? I can see people walking but the image is steady red roof lower left two tone center right

204 Render  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 12:34:20am

re: #202 Pietr

Not that far fetched a thought. The Wall Thugs have vanished.

WE'RE
STILL
HERE,
R

205 Pietr  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 12:34:36am

re: #195 Smilla

Check out the RayBans and the fighter pilot jacket (The photo of him on Drudge). He has had a makeover - Botox, wardrobe, hair and makeup. I bet he carries a manbag.

Check out Illinois Jr sen.-Mr Burris-his hair went from gray all over to just a hiint of gray in 3 days......

206 lifeofthemind  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 12:34:48am

re: #201 ohiogirl

Warped mind but I read that as "Was it good for you? Did the earth move?"

Offers a cigarette. Straight lines like that take talent.

207 stevieray  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 12:34:55am

The GazaCam channel from the weekend is back up -- but they are showing a talk show, with weird commercials for turkey pastrami.

Linky

208 Tigger2005  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 12:35:06am

"Ahmed, they lied! They said once I could jump through a fire hoop I was prepared to face the IDF!"

209 x-wing  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 12:35:08am

re: #199 Render

whoawhowhoa Achmed! No fat blond chicks!

Zoom, not porn.

SHEESH,
R

I wasn't the only one that saw it.

Beer hasn't gotten to me yet.

//

210 Smilla  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 12:35:09am

re: #200 x-wing

They sucked so bad they figured they'd give it one more try. You may notice,there was never a plan 10.

/that's just my opinion ;.}

Mmmm... plenty of funding, then. Community organisers, were they?

211 Render  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 12:35:39am

re: #203 lifeofthemind

X-Wing saw it too. It was a feed glitch. A really bad one.

JERRY
SPRINGER
QUALITY,
R

212 BignJames  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 12:37:03am

re: #205 Pietr

Check out Illinois Jr sen.-Mr Burris-his hair went from gray all over to just a hiint of gray in 3 days......

Shoe polish?

213 x-wing  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 12:37:24am

re: #198 astronmr20


How true. They take such a beautful place and turn it into a shit-hole.

/what would you call the opposite of "the Midas Touch"?

214 astronmr20  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 12:37:39am

I still note that all is relatively quiet in the West Bank and Lebanon. Something tells me amidst their hatred for the Joos, they are more than happy to let them take out the trash.

215 Render  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 12:37:40am

re: #207 stevieray

This feed is Channel 22. Yesterdays feed was Channel Ten. Stick around for Ten's anchor babes.

SMOKIN,
R

216 astronmr20  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 12:37:56am

re: #213 x-wing

How true. They take such a beautful place and turn it into a shit-hole.

/what would you call the opposite of "the Midas Touch"?

The brown touch?

217 BignJames  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 12:39:16am

re: #216 astronmr20

The brown touch?


The congress caress.

218 Pietr  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 12:39:35am

re: #210 Smilla

Mmmm... plenty of funding, then. Community organisers, were they?

You do realize all these 'Plan 9 ' quotes are from an old Sci Fi flick, right? Logic didn't play into a lot of the stuff in 'B' movies....but some were actually prety good.

219 lifeofthemind  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 12:41:07am

I see people on the roof

220 Smilla  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 12:42:30am

re: #218 Pietr

You do realize all these 'Plan 9 ' quotes are from an old Sci Fi flick, right? Logic didn't play into a lot of the stuff in 'B' movies....but some were actually prety good.

I know... they had their own logic. I like seeing the strings dangling the flying saucers. Attack of the Killer Tomatoes anyone?

221 littleoldlady  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 12:42:55am

re: #213 x-wing

"Reverse Midas Maneuver"

/I know it well... :-(

222 lifeofthemind  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 12:44:15am

Men gathering across the street against the wall

223 lifeofthemind  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 12:44:33am

unhappy mule

224 Pietr  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 12:46:51am

re: #220 Smilla

Killer Klowns from Outer Space? Mwahahahahahaaa....

re: #212 BignJames

I got my downdings for today, a few threads back-am not going near that one, Mi Amigo.....I'll try to keep my fragile karma intact for a bit longer....

225 Render  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 12:47:33am

Carl may have the answer for the current lull in operations.

[Link: israelmatzav.blogspot.com...]

OTHER
FRONTS,
[mornin LoL]
R

226 lifeofthemind  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 12:47:43am

Is that a call to prayer or a tobacco auction?

227 littleoldlady  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 12:48:45am

Renderleh! :-)

re: #226 lifeofthemind

HA!

228 BlueCanuck  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 12:49:38am

re: #224 Pietr

OMG! I actually watched the whole movie way back when. One of the best laughs I had.

/so bad it was good.

229 x-wing  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 12:49:59am

re: #221 littleoldlady

"Reverse Midas Maneuver"

/I know it well... :-(

{littleoldlady}

Fruitcup today? Are you back from your way-cation?

I tried to stay up for you the past two nights, but I got drunk,and it wasn't even reds fault ;>}

230 Render  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 12:50:57am

Alarm bell.

Dammit Achmed, zoom in on that ridge line or I'm gonna reach right through the monitor and smack you upside the head.

NOSE
PRINTS,
R

231 lifeofthemind  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 12:51:30am

Did someone mention a lull? Words never to use, the Q word, the d word the l word

232 Pietr  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 12:52:34am

re: #228 BlueCanuck

Funny, what we found good back then, isn't it, Blue? How are you tonight? Staying warm, I hope.....:>)

233 lifeofthemind  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 12:53:37am

I get lonely on the Dead Thread

234 littleoldlady  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 12:54:27am

re: #229 x-wing

DUDE! Fruitcup everyday!

/even if I'm not here to serve it

Yeah. We're back from the Vacation from This Must be Hell. Weather was spectacular. Beyond that...well, let's not go beyond that.

/probably should have gotten drunk with you! ;-)

235 Pietr  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 12:54:57am

re: #229 x-wing

{littleoldlady}

Fruitcup today? Are you back from your way-cation?

I tried to stay up for you the past two nights, but I got drunk,and it wasn't even reds fault ;>}

I updinged you for not blaming redc1c4,x-wing...LOL. He does enough to not need additional woes, Tsk Tsk....

236 littleoldlady  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 12:56:00am

re: #233 lifeofthemind

Awww, baby! We're here for you!

/we may be zonin' a bit, but we're here. ;-)

237 x-wing  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 12:56:13am

re: #233 lifeofthemind

I get lonely on the Dead Thread

We aint dead yet. LoL is making fruitcup for us,and if red aint still here,I'll spice it up a bit.

238 lifeofthemind  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 12:57:46am

Flickering feeds Batman

239 x-wing  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 12:58:27am

re: #234 littleoldlady

DUDE! Fruitcup everyday!

/even if I'm not here to serve it

Yeah. We're back from the Vacation from This Must be Hell. Weather was spectacular. Beyond that...well, let's not go beyond that.

/probably should have gotten drunk with you! ;-)


Well then I'm sorry and happy to hear that.

/does that work for ya ;>}

240 Pietr  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 12:59:00am

re: #233 lifeofthemind

I get lonely on the Dead Thread

What LotM is saying, is he wanted to get that thread to 2k-to pass that millenium mark-and needs help....any volunteers?

241 lifeofthemind  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 12:59:17am

Ugh now I know what you meant, that is hard to wake up to, or stay awake for

242 lifeofthemind  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 1:00:35am

re: #240 Pietr

What LotM is saying, is he wanted to get that thread to 2k-to pass that millenium mark-and needs help....any volunteers?

Are you saying that there is a pointless gesture to make and that we are just the lizards to make it?

243 x-wing  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 1:00:48am

Hey Render, that blip of that blonde chick five minutes ago, was that one of the channel 10 girls you were talking about? Cause she was smokin'

244 Pietr  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 1:01:28am

Our current gaza cam needs a better engineer! The idiot keeps throwing in feeds that are at commercial-and there ain't no commercials in a war......Sheesh.

245 littleoldlady  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 1:02:05am

I'm happy to see GazaCam back.

/but where's the BOMBS?!

246 BlueCanuck  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 1:02:44am

re: #232 Pietr

Staying warm so far. Tonight will be the challenge.

247 x-wing  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 1:02:49am

re: #240 Pietr

What LotM is saying, is he wanted to get that thread to 2k-to pass that millenium mark-and needs help....any volunteers?


Like to help but I got tossed around 1350, my computer can't handle more than that for some reason.

248 Render  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 1:03:21am

re: #243 x-wing

Nah that was one from Channel 22. Both of Tens anchor babes were brunettes, one had glasses.

Kept me glued to something I couldn't understand for several hours after the cam feed was cut.

===

Hmm, maybe. That last glitch was from Ten.

UH-OH,
R

249 BakaRanger  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 1:04:11am

re: #68 BakaRanger

re: #24 beermeister

Someone likes Plan 9. How about Forbidden Planet?

That's actually not a bad film.


The Krell, who knew aliens could make such great high-end audio?

Mentioned that in another response. Didn't see your post. Krell is nice. I've run with Cary tubes.


I am a tube guy myself enjoying a tweaked Jolida and spinning vinyl.

250 Render  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 1:04:54am

Smoke on the ridge line, Gawd dammit Achmed you incompetent boob!

ZOOM
I SAID
ZOOM!,
R

251 Pietr  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 1:05:22am

re: #242 lifeofthemind

Are you saying that there is a pointless gesture to make and that we are just the lizards to make it?

I pushed until I was crashing-and then I came here to get brighter eyed, and IO got my Beers..Half a league, half a league, half a league onward..If the 600 could do it, why not us?

252 lifeofthemind  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 1:05:27am

re: #244 Pietr

Our current gaza cam needs a better engineer! The idiot keeps throwing in feeds that are at commercial-and there ain't no commercials in a war......Sheesh.

Next war we offer to send the terrorists to video production class first at SVA

253 x-wing  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 1:05:59am

re: #245 littleoldlady

I'm happy to see GazaCam back.

/but where's the BOMBS?!


BOOOM,ask and you shall recieve. ;>}

254 MarineGrunt  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 1:06:00am

BOOOOMMMM

255 x-wing  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 1:07:24am

re: #248 Render

Nah that was one from Channel 22. Both of Tens anchor babes were brunettes, one had glasses.

Kept me glued to something I couldn't understand for several hours after the cam feed was cut.

===

Hmm, maybe. That last glitch was from Ten.

UH-OH,
R

Saw that too. Did I say I really dig dark heads? ;>}

256 lifeofthemind  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 1:07:31am

re: #251 Pietr

I pushed until I was crashing-and then I came here to get brighter eyed, and IO got my Beers..Half a league, half a league, half a league onward..If the 600 could do it, why not us?

Better Brit Beer? Errol Flynn's leadership? Florence Nightingale's whatever?

257 MrPaulRevere  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 1:07:37am

re: #245 littleoldlady

Ask and you shall receive.

258 littleoldlady  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 1:09:07am

I wonder if I can do that again?

/but a little closer to the camera this time... ;-)

259 Smilla  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 1:09:23am

re: #91 redc1c4

no better writing, at least about LA, than his.....

/imho

"Yes I am exactly like the characters in my books. I am very tough and have been known to break a Vienna roll with my bare hands. I am very handsome, having a powerful physique, and I change my shirt regularly every Monday morning. When resting between assignments I live in a French provincial chateau on Mulholland Drive. It is a fairly small place of forty-eight rooms and fifty-nine baths.... I have friends from all walks of life. I have fourteen telephones on my desk, including direct lines to New York, London, Paris, Rome, and Santa Rosa. My filing case opens out into a very convenient portable bar, and the bartender, who lives in the bottom drawer, is a midget. ... I do a great deal of research, especially in the apartments of tall blondes..."

From a letter by Chandler to Edgar Carter, Feb 5, 1951, then his Hollywood agent.

260 Render  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 1:11:28am

Five minutes later Achmed zooms in on the dust cloud that has long since drifted away from the ridge line that got hit.

How hard a job is this anyway?

I'LL
DO
IT,
R

261 x-wing  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 1:12:02am

re: #258 littleoldlady

I wonder if I can do that again?

/but a little closer to the camera this time... ;-)

Well if Achmed would figure out what that button that says ZOOM on it was for... ;>}

262 x-wing  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 1:14:45am

Ah, fruitcup time in Gaza. This is great.

Get ready, I hear some yelling. Don't blink LoL.

263 x-wing  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 1:19:38am

Well it's almost 1130 over there. What time do Jooos usually eat lunch?

264 littleoldlady  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 1:20:26am

Meh. The UN provides fruitcup for the so-called "palestinians".

/as well as everything else.

I'm thinking of adding a side of popcorn for the Lizards, however...

265 littleoldlady  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 1:20:56am

re: #263 x-wing

We eat at lunchtime.

266 BlueCanuck  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 1:22:15am

re: #264 littleoldlady

Meh, I think a pot of strong coffee would be better. Dullest war I have seen.

267 x-wing  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 1:23:18am

ok , where did that on hit? sounded close.

268 Ringo the Gringo  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 1:23:30am

I'm about to post my report on the anti-Israel demonstration here in LA this past Saturday, but here's a bit of video I've just put up at Youtube to test things out.

This is video of rabid pro-Palestinian protesters attempting to attack a car that was waving an Israeli flag out of their sunroof. Sorry about the shaky quality of the video, my camera isn't very good and the crowd was in a frenzy.

269 Render  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 1:23:48am

I usually skip lunch.

STAYING
FIT,
R

270 Render  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 1:24:42am

Achmed you gibbering idjit, ridge line.

FORNICATE
ME
RUNNIN,
R

271 x-wing  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 1:25:22am

Top left of the screen, big smoke.

Speaking of smoke I think I'll go have one.

272 x-wing  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 1:27:09am

re: #265 littleoldlady

We eat at lunchtime.


LOL,LoL. you know I'm not being mean or nothin'

/don't ya?

273 littleoldlady  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 1:28:01am

re: #266 BlueCanuck

BlueCanuck! :-)

We could throw it at each other!

Youtube Video
274 Render  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 1:28:26am

re: #271 x-wing

Another dyslexic Lizard? Or predicting the wind pattern?

Roosters back.

RIGHT
TO
LEFT,
R

275 lifeofthemind  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 1:29:26am

Achmed is busy with his comic book Captain Anti-America, and his visa application.

276 Pietr  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 1:29:28am

re: #264 littleoldlady

Meh. The UN provides fruitcup for the so-called "palestinians".

/as well as everything else.

I'm thinking of adding a side of popcorn for the Lizards, however...

Maybe some extra peaches and cottage cheese? Others will bring popcorn, let's keep us healthy....:>))

277 MrPaulRevere  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 1:30:24am

re: #268 Ringo the Gringo

Thanks for all you do, seriously. When I see that crowd, I have a Freudian response, one word comes to mind. Nightsticks.

278 littleoldlady  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 1:30:50am

re: #268 Ringo the Gringo

Attack a car...with a shoe?!

279 Render  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 1:30:57am

YES! Ridgeline.

NO! Zoom back in.

Put it there. Leave it there. Rats...

Zoom back in on Merkava Hill Achmed.

I know you're reading this now.

GOAT
DIRECTIONS,
R

280 Pietr  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 1:31:11am

re: #271 x-wing

Top left of the screen, big smoke.

Speaking of smoke I think I'll go have one.

Right behind ya-but it's cold, so I'll have to be fast...

281 littleoldlady  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 1:32:02am

OH! The rooster is still alive!

/...in every pot

282 lifeofthemind  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 1:32:18am

Who was that beautiful woman?

283 Render  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 1:32:38am

Live blogging a clueless camerman...

SOME
WAR,
R

284 x-wing  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 1:37:05am

re: #274 Render

Another dyslexic Lizard? Or predicting the wind pattern?

Roosters back.

RIGHT
TO
LEFT,
R

What can I say. I guess beer.

As my D.I. used to say...your other left fuckhead.

/to me of course...

And after all this bombing, who the fuck does this rooster think he has towake up yet?

285 littleoldlady  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 1:37:23am

Question, from the non-farm segment of the (bruised and battered) economy...

Do roosters usually durka-doodle-do all day? In cartoons it's just at sunrise.

286 Render  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 1:39:32am

Two strikes on that ridgeline (Merkava Hill) in the last half hour.

If the IDF repeats yesterdays actions on that ridge we should see some activity up there in the next hour or two.

===

Chopper inbound. Smoke on the ridge...

GIANT FLYING
ARMORED INSECTS,
R

287 x-wing  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 1:41:12am

re: #280 Pietr

Right behind ya-but it's cold, so I'll have to be fast...

Don't smoke in the house either huh? It's gettin' cold here too. By weeks end we're looking at single digits overnight.

/I wouldn't bitch if global warming came tomorrow.

288 Render  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 1:41:38am

re: #285 littleoldlady

Every one I've ever had the misfortune of being around would spout off at all times of the day.

NECK
WRING,
R

289 x-wing  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 1:42:20am

re: #282 lifeofthemind

Who was that beautiful woman?


What...where?

/damn smoking habit

290 Render  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 1:43:26am

re: #289 x-wing

Another feed glitch. Milli-second anchor babe from Ten.

HEART
RATE,
R

291 lifeofthemind  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 1:44:39am

Read the Muqata blog? impressive unverified casualty claims, 40+ Hamas killed inc 30 in a tunnel

292 x-wing  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 1:46:21am

re: #285 littleoldlady

Question, from the non-farm segment of the (bruised and battered) economy...

Do roosters usually durka-doodle-do all day? In cartoons it's just at sunrise.

It's really a test of wills with this rooster, he beat me the last 2 nights,but I'm not going to sleep until he shuts up today.

/maybe I'll slow down on the beer, it may be awhile

293 Render  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 1:48:03am

Achmed, I can hear you breathing. Zoom-the-fuck-in.

ARGH,
R

294 Render  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 1:49:03am

Single tank round left side of the ridge...

ARGH
ARGH,
R

295 Render  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 1:50:30am

NOOOOOOOOO! Pan back!

Don't know how much more of this I can take.

Stop teasing me, you bastard.

PAN RIGHT
ZOOM IN,
R

296 littleoldlady  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 1:52:49am
Youtube Video

Are they praying AGAIN?!

/efficiency expert needed...

297 x-wing  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 1:52:59am

What the hell is that sound? Is that two cats' fucking?

298 Render  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 1:53:12am

Call to prayer.

Good time too...

ATTACK!,
R

299 Render  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 1:54:47am

Oh great.

Achmed is off to rub his forehead, leaving the camera pointed at the side of a building.

REFUND,
R

300 x-wing  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 1:55:52am

re: #296 littleoldlady


If they were smart they'd be running for cover. But then,nobody ever accused Palis' of being smart.

301 lifeofthemind  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 1:56:28am

If anyone other than the foreign press thought that Israelis=nazis then they wouldn't be making normal Tuesday lunchtime noises as the "enemy army" approaches from 3 miles away.

302 x-wing  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 1:58:09am

re: #299 Render

Oh great.

Achmed is off to rub his forehead, leaving the camera pointed at the side of a building.

REFUND,
R

You are like the best play by play guy I've ever read. What do you do for a living?

/I've got to go back and upding your post.

303 littleoldlady  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 2:00:03am

Good morning, afternoon, evening *everyone*!™

Fruitcup is on the buffet ------------------->
Help yourselves!

304 Fenway_Nation  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 2:00:33am

Here's to fruitcup!

305 lifeofthemind  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 2:00:49am

It is noon and that rooster is still at it, will someone tell him he has the job and let him take a break?

306 littleoldlady  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 2:01:30am

Fenway! :-)

/raises coffee cup...

307 Erik The Red  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 2:03:06am

re: #303 littleoldlady

Good morning, afternoon, evening *everyone*!™

Fruitcup is on the buffet ------------------->
Help yourselves!

Yummy friutcup. Thanks lol. Morning Lizards.

308 lifeofthemind  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 2:03:14am

They last thread is now left at 1977, it is in the land of Steely Dan and Boston.

309 Fenway_Nation  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 2:03:51am

re: #306 littleoldlady

I updinged ya anyways, even tho' I have real fruitcup in front of me ('Melon Medley') ;)

310 x-wing  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 2:04:29am

re: #305 lifeofthemind

It is noon and that rooster is still at it, will someone tell him he has the job and let him take a break?

I tried yesterday, but apparently I can't speak rooster. You give it a try ;>}

//

311 Render  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 2:05:15am

re: #302 x-wing

Defense analysis (I look at pictures) and military history (sometimes I read the words too), but it ain't really a living.

===

The building Achmed left us stuck on is the one I've been calling the Gaza Ramada.

With in room laundry. Corner rooms only...

FIRE
ACHMED,
R

312 Sharmuta  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 2:05:33am

re: #303 littleoldlady

Thanks!

313 littleoldlady  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 2:05:34am

Erik! :-)

re: #309 Fenway_Nation

My karma thanks you... ;-)

314 BlueCanuck  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 2:05:35am

Thanks for the fruitcup littleoldlady.

/wanders off in search of RL coffee.

315 x-wing  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 2:05:54am

re: #303 littleoldlady

Good morning, afternoon, evening *everyone*!™

Fruitcup is on the buffet ------------------->
Help yourselves!

Thankyou LoL,

oooooh, and the bananas are cut just the way I like them.

316 littleoldlady  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 2:05:57am

Sharmuta! :-)

317 Spare O'Lake  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 2:06:02am

Good Morning LGF.

Has anyone actually seen the rooster?
How can a rooster crow continuously for almost the entire night and day?
I suspect a fauxrooster.

318 little blessing  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 2:06:06am

re: #302 x-wing

You are like the best play by play guy I've ever read. What do you do for a living?

/I've got to go back and upding your post.

I agree. Turned off the Gazacam. Render is more entertaining!

Thanks for Fruitcup LOL. Perfect dish to wash down that falafel I at in honour of the IDF.

319 x-wing  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 2:09:12am

re: #311 Render

Defense analysis (I look at pictures) and military history (sometimes I read the words too), but it ain't really a living.

===

The building Achmed left us stuck on is the one I've been calling the Gaza Ramada.

With in room laundry. Corner rooms only...

FIRE
ACHMED,
R

I hear a baby crying where's that coming from. And that rooster too.

320 littleoldlady  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 2:09:25am

BlueCanuck! :-)

x-wing! :-)

Spare O'Lake! :-)

little blessing! :-)

321 BlueCanuck  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 2:09:26am

re: #318 little blessing

Heh, you got that right. Besides I can't watch it constantly and I miss most of the good stuff.

322 FamHistoryGuy  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 2:09:28am

re: #303 littleoldlady

Good morning LOL. Thanks for the fruitcup. Nice quiet morning.

323 Fenway_Nation  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 2:10:49am

re: #318 little blessing


What? No Pizza?

324 Pietr  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 2:11:26am

re: #303 littleoldlady

Good morning, afternoon, evening *everyone*!™

Fruitcup is on the buffet ------------------->
Help yourselves!

Thankee, lol. I'll bring some cottage cheese and peaches next time-and we'll do this up right (plus, redc1c4 can't get at it if I don't let him see it)....:>))

325 x-wing  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 2:11:33am

re: #317 Spare O'Lake

Good Morning LGF.

Has anyone actually seen the rooster?
How can a rooster crow continuously for almost the entire night and day?
I suspect a fauxrooster.

I have noticed that when the shit hits the fan,is does shut him up,for a little bit anyway. ;>}

326 little blessing  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 2:11:42am

re: #323 Fenway_Nation

We send them our food and as support we eat their food!

327 Sharmuta  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 2:12:51am

We're partying til it's after 1999 downstairs. *hint hint*

328 littleoldlady  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 2:13:19am

FamHistoryGuy! :-)

Hiya! Long time no type to! How're things?

Pietr! :-)

Yum!

/got blueberries?

329 little blessing  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 2:13:20am

Sharmuta and I are helping out the die hards down thread. Anyone care to join in. Not much left until 2000.

330 Fenway_Nation  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 2:14:05am

re: #326 little blessing

Well.....now that you pointed that out, I felafel....

331 x-wing  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 2:14:38am

Head bumpin' time over...Game on.

332 Render  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 2:15:18am

Another single tank round. (crac-BOOM-k)

Hey Achmed, you back yet?

Remember that ridgeline we've been talking about?

MUTTER
MUTTER,
R

333 Render  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 2:17:40am

Achmed must have gotten a boobies or goats ass flash from the Gaza Ramada at some point when I wasn't looking.

FIXATED,
R

334 Render  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 2:20:01am

Is Achmed shooting at something?

Yo, Achie babe, simmer down. I promise not to mention the goat thing again.

NOW
PAN
RIGHT,
R

335 Pietr  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 2:20:35am

TO ALL HERE...Writer Mom is trying to get a group together to save 'The Rooster'.....Seriously! No One 'out' him to the hamassholes, or shoot at him, Please! She feels he has suffered enough in his support of the IDF with his coded 'doodle doos'...and she wants to save him. PS, we're only 18 posts away from hitting the 2k mark on last thread....we're a bit committed tonight (or is that, we need committed tonight?),...:>O

336 BlueCanuck  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 2:22:14am

re: #335 Pietr

Done, and done. And yes some of us should be committed. :)

337 little blessing  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 2:24:26am

re: #336 BlueCanuck

Don't do unto others what you don't want done to you!

Oh, you didn't mean me? Well in that case...

/feeling 10 years old tonight

338 x-wing  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 2:25:00am

Alright I was in the other room and heard that.

What's Achmed doing? HELLO,is this thing on.

Fer cryin' out loud, how much are we paying this guy.

OOH those gunshots sounded like they were right below. Could it be now non-breathing Fatah members?

339 Erik The Red  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 2:27:13am

re: #336 BlueCanuck

Done, and done. And yes some of us should be committed. :)

Damn step away for 15 mins. and I have missed all the fun:(

340 Render  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 2:28:00am

Sounds like Achmed has company...

===

Or satellite audio bleed over...

PENICILLIN,
R

341 Fenway_Nation  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 2:28:01am

re: #331 x-wing

Any stone throwing utes? Maybe Vin Scully could do the play-by-play.

Ibrahim- the lanky righty from Jenin lists his hobbies as kareoke and killing those sons of apes and pigs Zionists. He takes a few warm-up tosses in the alley before stepping into the street....and what's this? Some trickery going on in the IDF dugout as they decided to pinch-hit a Merkava for a platoon of infantry. Ibrahim is clearly shaken up by this latest development and may opt to give Merkava a free pass.

Merkava- weighing in at Sixty tons- has not faced Ibrahim in his career before, but does have a pretty high batting average against other Palestinian starters.....

342 Karridine  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 2:30:05am

re: #335 Pietr

No, you SHOULD BE committed, Pietr...

/"Hello, Rolling Hills Psychiatric Home? ..." ;)

343 BignJames  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 2:31:06am

re: #341 Fenway_Nation

Serious chin music.

344 x-wing  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 2:31:06am

re: #337 little blessing

Don't do unto others what you don't want done to you!

Oh, you didn't mean me? Well in that case...

/feeling 10 years old tonight

Did red sneak back in here without anyone noticing? ;>}

red did you do something to the fruitcup? Little Blessing looks a little glassy eyed ;>}

///

345 Pietr  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 2:31:39am

re: #339 Erik The Red

Damn step away for 15 mins. and I have missed all the fun:(

Damn Erik, Been so committed-or trying to get committed-I didn't see ya' there....Bon Appetit...

346 Render  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 2:32:15am

Either Achmed is a seriously twisted bastard (what am I sayin?) or he's intentionally ignoring the action on Merkava Ridge.

I know its still going on cuz I can see the dust drifting across the skyline.

HEARTLESS
MFER!,
R

347 littleoldlady  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 2:32:44am

Karridine! :-)

348 Karridine  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 2:35:11am

"...did you do something to the fruitcup? "

Uh, no... those are just ordinary blotter-paper... bits... that could...

Oh, WOW, just LOOK at the colors... and the wallpaper, dripping and running down

to the angry Muslims protesting outside the American embassy in Bangkok, about the shellacking the Hamas thugs are receiving at the hands of true heroes!

/4 hours up, two there, 4 down... parabolic flight... looks good 'on paper'

349 Pietr  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 2:36:05am

re: #344 x-wing

Did red sneak back in here without anyone noticing? ;>}

red did you do something to the fruitcup? Little Blessing looks a little glassy eyed ;>}

///

I blame Sharmuta...she pulled out red fruit cup, to expedite finishing the previous thread.....quick, is there a Dr in the house? Good Medical Attention may save her...some1 call 911.....

350 Karridine  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 2:36:25am

re: #347 littleoldlady

Maude! Your adoring Harold is HERE!

How ya doin', Little Olde?

351 x-wing  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 2:37:10am

re: #346 Render

Sounds like he's eating a peanut-butter sandwich

352 littleoldlady  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 2:40:54am

re: #350 Karridine

Careful, Buster! I like you very much (in part) because you're one of the few people here older than I am!

/Harold, harumph! ;-)

I'm a little older and little littler, too. Et tu?

353 littleoldlady  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 2:45:05am

I'm hearing BOOM BOOM, but I see....nuttin'. :-(

Youtube Video
354 x-wing  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 2:45:36am

I'm giving it 15 more minutes. Haven't heard that rooster lately so I outlasted him.
Come on IDF give me a going to bed bombing.

355 little blessing  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 2:46:12am

re: #349 Pietr

Uh, Thanks guys. Hey, stop pouring water on me, I'm up (shakes head as if to clear). Wow whatever that was Red, Thanks. Sharmuta, how much of it did you give me?

/Hey, I said enough! Use the rest of that water on Achmed. Is he still asleep?

356 x-wing  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 2:47:20am

re: #353 littleoldlady


Looks like it's you and me. Are you happy that the Eagles advanced? It's ok if you hate them,because I do.

357 Pietr  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 2:48:34am

re: #352 littleoldlady

Careful, Buster! I like you very much (in part) because you're one of the few people here older than I am!

/Harold, harumph! ;-)

I'm a little older and little littler, too. Et tu?

Hmmm...I discovered I was 4 days older than Dustyvet, a while back.....but it would seem you both have TOE (Time On Earth) on us? a simple yes or no will do......Pietr=15 OCT '47...Dustyvet=19 Oct '47.........

358 ohiogirl  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 2:48:45am

It'll be the Steelers all the way! We got one for the thumb, now we're doing the other hand.

359 little blessing  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 2:49:53am

Jet lag kicking in again. Giddiness is fast disappearing. Render, If and when you meet up with Ahmed, give him one from me.

LOUSY
WORK,
LB

G'day Everybody!

360 Sharmuta  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 2:50:29am

An all PA Superbowl? And here littleoldlady didn't like my polka.

361 Pietr  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 2:50:55am

re: #356 x-wing

Ouch...lol is an 'Iggles fan'....Pietr is a Steelers fan......NBA is different, I love muh Spurs.....LOL.

362 x-wing  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 2:50:56am

re: #355 little blessing


LOL, Achmed just moved the camera a few minutes ago.But I don't think he could find his ass with both hands though.

363 littleoldlady  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 2:52:13am

re: #356 x-wing

Sweetie, this is Philadelphia. When our teams do poorly people get real mean. When they do well we're not-so-mean.

Hard to hate a team that's doing well...

;-)

364 ohiogirl  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 2:52:29am

re: #362 x-wing

LOL, Achmed just moved the camera a few minutes ago.But I don't think he could find his ass with both hands though.

Hopefully he puts down the camera before trying

365 Render  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 2:53:06am

Achmed panned, but refused to zoom.

Most of the rumbling you're hearing is wind noise.

But I'm almost positive that the CEV's are still working Merkava Ridge, and HAMAS isn't firing back anymore.

OUT
OF
FODDER?,
R

366 littleoldlady  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 2:53:27am

re: #357 Pietr

Goodness! I'm starting to feel...

Youtube Video

;-)

367 Karridine  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 2:53:28am

re: #352 littleoldlady

Awright.. *snurff!* be that way... *snork!*

I was just FUNNIN' witchoo...

/boohoobwahoohah :(

368 littleoldlady  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 2:54:16am

re: #360 Sharmuta

I'll drink to that! :-)

369 Render  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 2:54:32am

Did I just hear English?

WHAT
WAS
THAT?,
R

370 Fenway_Nation  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 2:54:46am

Will Merkava Manor be the next big show for Animal Planet?

/Please Lord- anything but Flowers For Al Gore-Non

371 x-wing  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 2:54:58am

re: #358 ohiogirl

It'll be the Steelers all the way! We got one for the thumb, now we're doing the other hand.

I'm going to say this with the utmost respect...Bite Me ;>}

I'm a big time Raider fan(I know,sorry for my luck) but as it stands now, I'm rooting for the Steelers.

I wish your team luck.

372 Karridine  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 2:55:00am

re: #357 Pietr

Yes, I have Time in Service on you... dang.

Still, better than the Dirt-Nap alternative, eh?

373 Render  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 2:55:04am

Switching machines.

BRB,
R

374 littleoldlady  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 2:55:04am

{Karridine}! ;-)

375 x-wing  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 2:56:22am

re: #359 little blessing

Jet lag kicking in again. Giddiness is fast disappearing. Render, If and when you meet up with Ahmed, give him one from me.

LOUSY
WORK,
LB

G'day Everybody!


See you same time tomorrow?.

376 Pietr  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 2:57:44am

re: #365 Render

Achmed panned, but refused to zoom.

Most of the rumbling you're hearing is wind noise.

But I'm almost positive that the CEV's are still working Merkava Ridge, and HAMAS isn't firing back anymore.

OUT
OF
FODDER?,

Correct, Render-notice the red roof, bottom left? The triple damned idiot panned BACK-and we see even less than before.....Aaarrrggghhh.....Achmed, Acmed,...hmmm...ACME.........Damn You, Acme......
R

377 little blessing  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 2:57:49am

re: #375 x-wing

Need to work tomorrow but hopefully the day after.

Till then!

378 Erik The Red  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 2:57:52am

re: #357 Pietr

Hmmm...I discovered I was 4 days older than Dustyvet, a while back.....but it would seem you both have TOE (Time On Earth) on us? a simple yes or no will do......Pietr=15 OCT '47...Dustyvet=19 Oct '47.........

You two are making me feel like a whipper snapper. Erik 16 May '68.

379 x-wing  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 2:58:20am

re: #363 littleoldlady

Sweetie, this is Philadelphia. When our teams do poorly people get real mean. When they do well we're not-so-mean.

Hard to hate a team that's doing well...

;-)

Yeah, you Phileans are like that. ;>}

What was that?

380 littleoldlady  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 2:58:49am

'Night, little blessing! :-)

Um, Erik...you ARE a whippersnapper!

/sheesh!

381 Karridine  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 2:58:50am

re: #374 littleoldlady

{Karridine}! ;-)

We've got protesting Muslim-Thais here, on TV with a shouldered cardboard mockup of an RPG launcher...

Maroons! Following their leaders in an age of the Independent Investigation of Truth...

I trust you're well, Ma'am?

382 Sharmuta  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 2:59:28am

re: #368 littleoldlady

If it should come to pass, I would wager on the Steelers. Sorry. But the Eagles are well known for their choking. But you have those wonderful Phillies.

383 Spare O'Lake  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 2:59:52am

Smoke plumes.

384 Karridine  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 3:00:01am

re: #378 Erik The Red

You ARE a whipper-snapper! I ETS'd in 68, after 4 years, 3 of which were on the Korean DMZ thanks to USS Pueblo!

385 Fenway_Nation  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 3:00:22am

re: #358 ohiogirl

re: #371 x-wing

The NFL is dead to me (until August or September). At first I was irate that my 11-5 team had to sit out the postseason while some 8-8, 9-7 or 9-6-1 teams made it in....

And just when I was getting over that, the Dolphins basically crapped their pants at there mere sight of the Ravens. Way to represent the AFC East, Fish sticks.

386 littleoldlady  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 3:03:05am

re: #381 Karridine

As well as can be expected, I guess. :-/

Are "your" Muslims shouting Jews to the ovens?

/because it's not a good protest without Nazi overtones...

387 littleoldlady  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 3:04:11am

re: #382 Sharmuta

Don't bet a lot, okay? ;-)

388 Erik The Red  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 3:05:12am

re: #380 littleoldlady

'Night, little blessing! :-)

Um, Erik...you ARE a whippersnapper!

/sheesh!

Tell my kids that. I am starting to get refereed to as the Old Man.

389 Sharmuta  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 3:06:38am

re: #387 littleoldlady

Don't bet a lot, okay? ;-)

My three rules of betting on football:

Never bet on the Vikings game.
Never bet on the Eagles game.
Never bet on the Raiders game.

Works out pretty well.

390 x-wing  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 3:07:44am

re: #378 Erik The Red

You two are making me feel like a whipper snapper. Erik 16 May '68.

I have to agree with the rest there younin'. Heck I stopped shittin' in my diapers at least a year before you were born. 08 OCT 65

391 Karridine  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 3:07:57am

re: #386 littleoldlady

No Ma'am... they're Thais, angry, Muslim... they only got about 30 seconds on prime-time TV...

392 goddessoftheclassroom  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 3:08:26am

Good morning, Lizards!

393 Pietr  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 3:08:32am

re: #378 Erik The Red

You two are making me feel like a whipper snapper. Erik 16 May '68.

Damn, Erik-my daughter is 14 months younger than you-ya' ole fart.....LOL.....

/Knowing he's armed and can shoot-white smoke to the 3 directions away, but between....then uncover my tunnel...and move quickly to safety.....:>O

394 Sharmuta  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 3:09:17am

re: #392 goddessoftheclassroom

Good morning, goddess.

395 Karridine  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 3:09:53am

re: #388 Erik The Red

Tell my kids that. I am starting to get refereed to as the Old Man.

Yup. "Its Kind of a Drag..." but it comes with the territory, Erik! Adjust gracefully, and SAVOR your moments, Dewd!

/The Kensingtons... Kind of a Drag

396 goddessoftheclassroom  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 3:10:48am

{Sharmuta}

397 Sharmuta  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 3:10:52am

re: #385 Fenway_Nation

Way to represent the AFC East, Fish sticks.

Dolphins are mammals.

/white smoke

398 tappin52  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 3:11:02am

re: #391 Karridine

Are there any Muslims in the world who are not angry?

399 Erik The Red  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 3:11:14am

re: #392 goddessoftheclassroom

Good morning, Lizards!

{goddess}

400 x-wing  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 3:11:35am

re: #385 Fenway_Nation

I just gonna stab in the dark here. You're a Pats. fan. ;>}

/no, your nic didn't give it away ;>}

What are ya gonna do? The rules have been there, it sucks.

401 x-wing  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 3:12:34am

re: #389 Sharmuta

Even though I'm a Raiders fan. I agree with what you said.

402 Erik The Red  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 3:13:41am

re: #395 Karridine

Yup. "Its Kind of a Drag..." but it comes with the territory, Erik! Adjust gracefully, and SAVOR your moments, Dewd!

/The Kensingtons... Kind of a Drag

It kinda funny. I can tell more or less the age of most Lizards by their comments and experiences that they share. There are a few that I have no clue about though.

403 Sharmuta  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 3:13:48am

re: #401 x-wing

Even though I'm a Raiders fan. I agree with what you said.

I mean that up or down. Those three teams never seem to do what I need them to do, win or lose.

404 Karridine  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 3:14:15am

Goddess, you arrive and I leave... but it is NOT your new toothpaste... what'd you call it? "Garlic Skunk" I think you said...

Anyhoo, dusk falls over fragrant, WARM suburban Bangkok, and I must effect some chores...

All best, Goddess... and yes, Thailand is expecting MINUS 2 degrees tonight, because of Global Warming...

405 Karridine  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 3:14:49am

re: #398 tappin52

Yeah, I know a few... but they're a distinct minority it seems, eh?

406 littleoldlady  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 3:15:03am

goddess! :-)

407 yochanan  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 3:15:04am

re: #385 Fenway_Nation

re: #371 x-wing

The NFL is dead to me (until August or September). At first I was irate that my 11-5 team had to sit out the postseason while some 8-8, 9-7 or 9-6-1 teams made it in....

And just when I was getting over that, the Dolphins basically crapped their pants at there mere sight of the Ravens. Way to represent the AFC East, Fish sticks.


SEA KITTEN STICKS


FIXED THAT 4 YAH

408 goddessoftheclassroom  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 3:15:12am

re: #399 Erik The Red

{goddess}

{Erik the Red}re: #404 Karridine

Goddess, you arrive and I leave... but it is NOT your new toothpaste... what'd you call it? "Garlic Skunk" I think you said...

Anyhoo, dusk falls over fragrant, WARM suburban Bangkok, and I must effect some chores...

All best, Goddess... and yes, Thailand is expecting MINUS 2 degrees tonight, because of Global Warming...

{Karradine}

409 goddessoftheclassroom  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 3:15:28am

re: #406 littleoldlady

goddess! :-)

{littleoldlady}

410 x-wing  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 3:16:30am

re: #398 tappin52

Are there any Muslims in the world who are not angry?

I'd say the ones that are ,are not available for comment.

411 Jim in Virginia  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 3:17:27am

Morning all!
{goddess}
{littleoldlady}
From Israellycool: Hamas says they will consider a cease fire only if Israel withdraws from Gaza.
ROTFL.

412 x-wing  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 3:18:18am

re: #403 Sharmuta

I mean that up or down. Those three teams never seem to do what I need them to do, win or lose.

I hear ya. Same goes with Penn. State. Never bet for 'em or against 'em

413 Fenway_Nation  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 3:18:26am

re: #398 tappin52

Are there any Muslims in the world who are not angry?

Apparently they're quite happy when their bretheren
fly fully fuelled commercial airliners into skyscrapers

place explosives in packed subways and commuter trains at rush hour

drives an explosives-laden van into a nightclub packed with Aussies

'liberates' Iraq from the crusader occupiers by blowing up dozens of Iraqi schoolkids on their way to or from school

lays seige to multiple upscale hotels in Mumbai, singling out westerners and torturing a captive rabbi and his wife to death

undertakes that inner spiritual struggle that we've come to know as jihad.

414 Oh no...Sand People!  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 3:19:26am

re: #413 Fenway_Nation

Apparently they're quite happy when their bretheren
fly fully fuelled commercial airliners into skyscrapers

place explosives in packed subways and commuter trains at rush hour

drives an explosives-laden van into a nightclub packed with Aussies

'liberates' Iraq from the crusader occupiers by blowing up dozens of Iraqi schoolkids on their way to or from school

lays seige to multiple upscale hotels in Mumbai, singling out westerners and torturing a captive rabbi and his wife to death

undertakes that inner spiritual struggle that we've come to know as jihad.

Typical.
Moderates!

415 BlueCanuck  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 3:20:16am

re: #402 Erik The Red

So smart guy, guess with me. :)

416 BlueCanuck  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 3:22:08am

Good morning {goddess}, Jim.

417 Erik The Red  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 3:22:27am

re: #415 BlueCanuck

So smart guy, guess with me. :)

Mid to late 30's

418 goddessoftheclassroom  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 3:22:28am

{Kim in Virginia}
{BlueCanuck}

419 Jim in Virginia  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 3:23:24am

re: #415 BlueCanuck

So smart guy, guess with me. :)

Ditto. Blue Canuck, you beat me to it.
I think I have five years on you, more or less, but its justa wild guess.
Littleoldlady is 34.
Goddess is 29.

420 Oh no...Sand People!  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 3:24:01am

{Goddess}
{Kim}
{Blue}

421 goddessoftheclassroom  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 3:24:11am

re: #419 Jim in Virginia

Ditto. Blue Canuck, you beat me to it.
I think I have five years on you, more or less, but its justa wild guess.
Littleoldlady is 34.
Goddess is 29.

You Southern gentlemen certainly know how to charm! :)

422 Jim in Virginia  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 3:24:16am

re: #418 goddessoftheclassroom

{Kim in Virginia}
{BlueCanuck}

Who's Kim?

423 BlueCanuck  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 3:24:22am

re: #417 Erik The Red

LOL, thanks. But if you consider 4-0 very late thirties your good.

/about a month older than you.

424 goddessoftheclassroom  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 3:24:50am

re: #420 Oh no...Sand People!

{Goddess}
{Kim}
{Blue}

{Oh no...Sand People!}
You nic makes me giggle every time I see it!

425 Oh no...Sand People!  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 3:25:14am

re: #422 Jim in Virginia

Who's Kim?

Good point...I copied from above...

{Jim}

426 BlueCanuck  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 3:25:41am

re: #419 Jim in Virginia

Standing rule. Unless a woman tells you her age, it's always 29 and holding.

/what my mom always said.
/or "I am as old as my tongue, and a little older then my teeth."

427 Render  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 3:25:47am

A'hm back.

===

Raider fan since 1970.

Al Davis must die...eventually. Until then we (Raider Nation) suffer for his sins.

For four long years I screamed at the tube, Emperor Palpintine Davis, Darth Rex Ryan, and several practice head coaches did get some freaking linebackers.

They finally did. One is at quarterback, a couple are playing running back, and several more are cleverly disguised as 300+lb defensive linemen. That's no Death Star, it's a moon...

DISGUSTIPATED,
R

428 goddessoftheclassroom  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 3:25:48am

re: #422 Jim in Virginia

Who's Kim?

Ooops! Apologies! Typos are the bane of my existence!

{Jim in Virginia}

/going back to cutting and pasting

429 Erik The Red  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 3:26:08am

re: #423 BlueCanuck

LOL, thanks. But if you consider 4-0 very late thirties your good.

/about a month older than you.

Close enough. I still consider myself in the very late 30's/

430 BlueCanuck  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 3:26:26am

Good morning {Oh no Sandpeople}.

/still trying to figure out that reference.

431 BlueCanuck  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 3:27:20am

re: #427 Render

Can't be any worse then the Toronto Make Believes and the Ballard Curse.

432 x-wing  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 3:27:41am

re: #418 goddessoftheclassroom

Morning {goddess} how are you today. Anything special on your adgenda?

433 Oh no...Sand People!  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 3:27:55am

re: #424 goddessoftheclassroom

{Oh no...Sand People!}
You nic makes me giggle every time I see it!

It kind a... sorta... in a round about way let's me vent my feelings about some current situations under the guise of a "Star Wars" mentality...

Dual use... I suppose.

You taught school. Do you still teach? You may have already mentioned this...but I just haven't been able to follow.

434 Jim in Virginia  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 3:28:12am

re: #430 BlueCanuck

Good morning {Oh no Sandpeople}.

/still trying to figure out that reference.

The Force weak with this one is.

435 BlueCanuck  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 3:28:56am

re: #434 Jim in Virginia

The Force weak with this one is.

/phasers on stun . . . . . . .

436 x-wing  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 3:29:13am

re: #432 x-wing


Oh crap, I mispelled a word tooalking to the teacher ;>}

437 Sharmuta  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 3:30:21am

re: #430 BlueCanuck

Good morning {Oh no Sandpeople}.

/still trying to figure out that reference.

They don't teach the classics along with that Queen's English?

438 x-wing  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 3:30:46am

re: #436 x-wing


Dang..talking

439 littleoldlady  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 3:32:04am

{My Rove!} :-)

440 Jim in Virginia  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 3:32:22am

re: #435 BlueCanuck
Wars, not Trek.
Luke, not James T or Jean Luc.

441 BlueCanuck  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 3:32:55am

re: #437 Sharmuta

They don't teach the classics along with that Queen's English?

Of course, stuff like "Forbidden Planet", Star Trek, Star Lost, Dr. Who, Blakes Seven. . . . . . . . . .

442 Dustyvet  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 3:33:15am

re: #439 littleoldlady

{My Rove!} :-)

Lady...:)

Enjoy...:)

Youtube Video
443 goddessoftheclassroom  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 3:33:19am

re: #436 x-wing

Oh crap, I mispelled a word tooalking to the teacher ;>}

No, you MISTYPED a word! HUGE difference! :)

I teach drama, 9th grade English, and gifted ed classes. I'm also the drama director, forensics (public speaking) coach, Veterans Day assembly organizer, and SAT Prep Class (critical reading & writings sections) teacher.

Words are my thing...

444 BlueCanuck  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 3:33:30am

re: #440 Jim in Virginia

*sssshhhhhh* trying to be obtuse here

445 goddessoftheclassroom  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 3:34:22am

re: #443 goddessoftheclassroom

No, you MISTYPED a word! HUGE difference! :)

I teach drama, 9th grade English, and gifted ed classes. I'm also the drama director, forensics (public speaking) coach, Veterans Day assembly organizer, and SAT Prep Class (critical reading & writings sections) teacher.

Words are my thing...

(this was in reply to Oh, no!...Sand People!)

446 Oh no...Sand People!  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 3:35:02am

re: #443 goddessoftheclassroom

No, you MISTYPED a word! HUGE difference! :)

I teach drama, 9th grade English, and gifted ed classes. I'm also the drama director, forensics (public speaking) coach, Veterans Day assembly organizer, and SAT Prep Class (critical reading & writings sections) teacher.

Words are my thing...

Wow. Not too much on your plate then...
/bbiab, puttin the kidderkins to night, night.

447 Dustyvet  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 3:35:28am

re: #444 BlueCanuck

*sssshhhhhh* trying to be obtuse here

I have a friend who's obtuse, he starts weight watchers next Monday...:)

448 goddessoftheclassroom  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 3:35:31am

re: #446 Oh no...Sand People!

Wow. Not too much on your plate then...
/bbiab, puttin the kidderkins to night, night.

Where are you?!

449 x-wing  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 3:38:06am

re: #427 Render

I like that word, describes me to a tee. Been a fan since I was 7, 1972. We've seen bad times before but nothing like this. I just hope we can pull out of this funk next year,.
And yes Al needs to find something else to do, I don't care what as long as he's miles away from Oakland.

BTW, I'm from York,Pa. Where abouts you from?

450 littleoldlady  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 3:38:20am

Dustyvet! :-)

/Cartoons 'R Us

451 Dustyvet  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 3:39:11am

re: #450 littleoldlady

Dustyvet! :-)

/Cartoons 'R Us

Have another...:)

Youtube Video
452 Jim in Virginia  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 3:39:14am

Too mucjh work to do. Play safe lizards.

453 Pietr  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 3:39:32am

re: #433 Oh no...Sand People!

It kind a... sorta... in a round about way let's me vent my feelings about some current situations under the guise of a "Star Wars" mentality...

Dual use... I suppose.

You taught school. Do you still teach? You may have already mentioned this...but I just haven't been able to follow.

Both a Star Wars reference......and maybe/kinda/sorta an Arabian nights type, desert reference...Hmmmm.....no sweat....I believe a few peeps figure that....any extra input, you can share-or not-it's kinda ALL your choice.

454 zulubaby  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 3:42:24am

Israel, Opium of the People

455 Pietr  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 3:43:34am

re: #447 Dustyvet

I have a friend who's obtuse, he starts weight watchers next Monday...:)

I am not........Sheesh..........

/white smoke...while shoutin' back, "How R U Dusty"......

456 Render  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 3:43:48am

re: #449 x-wing

People's Undemocratic SSR of Maryland.

Everything else is classified.

ROCK
HARD
PLACE,
R

457 x-wing  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 3:44:42am

Well we lost sound to the Gazacam. I better call it quits.

See you guys tonite, stay safe and try to keep your scales dry, later ;>}

458 Dustyvet  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 3:45:31am

re: #455 Pietr

I am not........Sheesh..........

/white smoke...while shoutin' back, "How R U Dusty"......

Waving, fine and how are you? ...:)

459 BlueCanuck  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 3:45:36am

re: #455 Pietr

Heh, saw a picture of a friend of mine a couple of weeks ago. Picture was about 20 years old. Looked at it, then looked at him then said, "I see you are now twice the man you once were."

/words of four letters then ensued. :)

460 Sharmuta  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 3:46:31am

re: #426 BlueCanuck

Standing rule. Unless a woman tells you her age, it's always 29 and holding.

/what my mom always said.
/or "I am as old as my tongue, and a little older then my teeth."

I'm "28".

461 x-wing  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 3:47:10am

re: #456 Render

People's Undemocratic SSR of Maryland.

Everything else is classified.

ROCK
HARD
PLACE,
R

Ok. well I'm signing off, Achmed musta hit the mute button or something. Catch up with you later.

Must
Get
Sleep

462 goddessoftheclassroom  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 3:52:36am

Got to get ready for school--have a great day, Lizards!

463 littleoldlady  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 4:00:05am

Hiya, zulubaby! :-) Great link.
----------------------------------------------

They're droppin' like flies. :-(

I have to get moving, too.

Good day, ALL!™

464 sattv4u2  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 4:01:00am

re: #457 x-wing

Well we lost sound to the Gazacam. I better call it quits.

See you guys tonite, stay safe and try to keep your scales dry, later ;>}

What will we ever do without the rooster crowing! Oh, the humanity !

465 jim in virginia  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 4:06:15am

A brilliant thought came to me in the shower.
WW 1 quote: Britain shall fight to the last Australian.
2009: Iran shall fight the Zionist entity to the last Palestinian.

466 jim in virginia  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 4:08:23am

re: #454 zulubaby
Hey Toots!
Long time no see.

467 Dustyvet  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 4:10:08am

Somali pirate's body washes ashore with $153,000

All washed up. and no place to go...:)

468 FamHistoryGuy  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 4:10:18am

Audio back. Now in press room.

469 Render  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 4:10:58am

Wahhhh! Achmed! I miss you already...

===

HAMAS from al-Shifa? With one of their "doctors?"

HMMM,
R

470 aboo-Hoo-Hoo  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 4:11:32am

We are sooo screwed:

When Sen. John F. Kerry (D-Mass.) gavels the Senate Foreign Relations Committee to order today and welcomes Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton (D-N.Y.) to her confirmation hearing as President-elect Barack Obama's nominee to be secretary of state, he will mark the ascendance of a new triumvirate dominating the foreign policy arena.
471 Render  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 4:12:42am

Those two brown jackets don't look like they've skipped any meals recently.

HAMAS thug and his mini-me...

BLAH,
R

472 FamHistoryGuy  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 4:14:07am

White coat looks well fed also.

473 Render  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 4:14:43am

Body language.

Not so belligerent, eh?

BEATEN
FOOLS,
R

474 Erik The Red  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 4:16:36am

re: #473 Render

Body language.

Not so belligerent, eh?

BEATEN
FOOLS,
R

Render please supply me with the link that you are watching. I had it yesterday but lost it some how. Thanks

475 sattv4u2  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 4:17:14am

Damn ,, I left my Allallallallla to English translator ring at home !

476 FamHistoryGuy  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 4:17:32am

The rooster sounded better.

477 Dustyvet  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 4:17:36am

re: #472 FamHistoryGuy

White coat looks well fed also.

What kind of twit would where white in a combat zone? Guy has the IQ of a box of rocks.

478 Render  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 4:17:47am

Mini-me just got some news in his ear that made him swallow.

Anybody know who those two are?

ALL
THE
SAME,
R

479 sattv4u2  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 4:18:21am

re: #476 FamHistoryGuy

The rooster sounded, looked and smelled better. Prolly smarter too!


BAD SATT ,,, BAD BAD BAD !

480 zulubaby  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 4:19:09am

Nazi-era papers now for sale in Germany

481 sattv4u2  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 4:19:14am

re: #478 Render

Mini-me just got some news in his ear that made him swallow.

Anybody know who those two are?

ALL
THE
SAME,
R


The test results came back on the goat. The rabbit died !

482 Render  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 4:19:50am

re: #474 Erik The Red

[Link: switch434-01.castup.net...]

FROM
BELOW,
R

483 FamHistoryGuy  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 4:19:52am

Some sort of lab coat? Wouldn't find him with a weapon other than his mouth. Something about Hamas? Taking questions of some sort.

484 zulubaby  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 4:20:03am

Hi littleoldlady and jim in virginia -- how are you? :-)

485 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 4:20:14am

Some mornings I just wake up on the wrong f##king side of the trash can. Grumpy as hell. Sometimes you don't want to make lemonade with the lemons allocated to you, sometimes you just want to shove them up the butt of the person who handed them to you.

486 sattv4u2  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 4:20:21am

Does White Coat have a Bob Marley T Shirt on under that thing? The colors look right !

487 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 4:21:04am

re: #467 Dustyvet

Somali pirate's body washes ashore with $153,000

All washed up. and no place to go...:)

That's why he didn't shower on the Ship. He preferred to wash up on the shore.

488 sattv4u2  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 4:21:50am

CAPTION

What if you gave a press conference and you outnumbered the press?

489 jcbunga  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 4:23:24am

Coronation update from greater DC:

Apparently the anticipated hordes have not yet materialized, as indicated by the number of hotel rooms available. They are backing way off the 4 million number originally expected to see the ascension.

How can this be?

490 sattv4u2  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 4:24:07am

re: #485 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Some mornings I just wake up on the wrong f##king side of the trash can. Grumpy as hell. Sometimes you don't want to make lemonade with the lemons allocated to you, sometimes you just want to shove them up the butt of the person who handed them to you.

go back to bed, and take an orange wif ya !

491 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 4:24:15am

re: #489 jcbunga

My daughter is going. I hope there's about a hundred thousand or so.

492 FamHistoryGuy  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 4:24:27am

Thought I heard a female voice asking questions. Made sure to get a shot of her right before they cut back to the roof.

493 Render  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 4:24:29am

Mini-me kept his hands clasped in front of him the entire time. Both brown jackets seemed very subdued, spending long moments looking at the floor. Mini-me didn't even need to be there, he never spoke a word.

===

Achmed, is that you? I recognize the camera work.

===

Live feed returns.

SANS
SOUND,
R

494 sattv4u2  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 4:25:10am

re: #489 jcbunga

Coronation update from greater DC:

Apparently the anticipated hordes have not yet materialized, as indicated by the number of hotel rooms available. They are backing way off the 4 million number originally expected to see the ascension.

How can this be?

Bush's fault! Terrible economy, dontchya know!

(geeezz, If someone from the New York Times sees that I'll be getting a job offer !)

495 BlueCanuck  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 4:25:46am

re: #494 sattv4u2

Bush's fault! Terrible economy, dontchya know!

(geeezz, If someone from the New York Times sees that I'll be getting a job offer !)

And why would you want to lower your standards like that?

496 Erik The Red  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 4:26:19am

re: #482 Render

Thanks

497 jcbunga  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 4:26:21am

re: #494 sattv4u2

Bush's fault! Terrible economy, dontchya know!

(geeezz, If someone from the New York Times sees that I'll be getting a job offer !)

Ha! Yes.

Next the government will be asking for a government bailout.

498 sattv4u2  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 4:26:57am

re: #495 BlueCanuck

And why would you want to lower your standards like that?

actually, knowing me as well as I do, it's possible that they would be lowering THEIRS !

499 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 4:27:01am

To add to my pissiness? Came downstairs (wife had to leave earlier, left TV on; she was watching MTV's "Made". What is she? 14?

500 Render  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 4:27:26am

I'm reasonably certain that this angle is looking toward the Karni crossing.

BUT
ONLY
REASONABLY,
R

501 BlueCanuck  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 4:28:29am

re: #498 sattv4u2

actually, knowing me as well as I do, it's possible that they would be lowering THEIRS !

Knowing the Times, how is that possible?

502 sattv4u2  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 4:28:51am

re: #499 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

To add to my pissiness? Came downstairs (wife had to leave earlier, left TV on; she was watching MTV's "Made". What is she? 14?

See ,, you DO have sumfin in common with the founder of Islam!

503 sattv4u2  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 4:29:05am

re: #501 BlueCanuck

Knowing the Times, how is that possible?

Knowing me ,,, EASY!

504 Erik The Red  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 4:29:32am

re: #502 sattv4u2

ROTFLMAO. I was looking for a comeback.

505 Render  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 4:29:54am

I'm also quite positive that there is still a great deal of action happening on Merkava Ridge.

SOUNDS
BACK,
R

506 sattv4u2  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 4:30:59am

re: #505 Render

I'm also quite positive that there is still a great deal of action happening on Merkava Ridge.

SOUNDS
BACK,
R

I once dated a woman that had a very nice Merkava Ridge! Wonder what ever became of her !

507 Render  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 4:31:44am

And now we know what was being whispered in Mini-me's ear.

Multiple Israeli operations in multiple locations.

"Boss, we're losing."

AGAIN,
R

508 FamHistoryGuy  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 4:32:56am

A couople of nice dust pllumes.

509 sattv4u2  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 4:33:25am

re: #504 Erik The Red

ROTFLMAO. I was looking for a comeback.

I always have one ,,, (not always a GOOD one, mind you ,,, but one non-the-less! )

510 sattv4u2  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 4:34:01am

re: #508 FamHistoryGuy

A couople of nice dust pllumes.

I think Billy Mays sells something that gets rid of those!

511 gregg  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 4:34:09am

re: #489 jcbunga

Coronation update from greater DC:

Apparently the anticipated hordes have not yet materialized, as indicated by the number of hotel rooms available. They are backing way off the 4 million number originally expected to see the ascension.

How can this be?

Interesting - the four million crowed estimate is way too high. Four million is also the estimate Obama gives for the number of jobs that will be created by his stimulus package.

512 BlueCanuck  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 4:34:36am

re: #509 sattv4u2

And how many times did Mandy give you the stick before giving up?

513 Render  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 4:34:51am

Jeeze. Their bandwidth feed has improved all of a sudden.

From 290 Kbps to almost 500 Kbps.

Achmed finally figured out where the action is.

FIRST
CLUE,
R

514 Crux Australis  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 4:35:54am

For a place under siege where does the Gaza strip get the gas for all the cars and trucks? Sure plenty of horns honking.

515 BlueCanuck  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 4:35:56am

re: #513 Render

Nah, he got his fill of polish pr0n.

/either that or his boss caught him in the act. . . . .

516 FamHistoryGuy  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 4:36:17am

Something looks to be burning.

517 sattv4u2  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 4:36:21am

re: #512 BlueCanuck

And how many times did Mandy give you the stick before giving up?

I'm a fast learner. Whenever she's around, I always wear this >
Image: NB%208500C.jpg

518 Empire1  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 4:37:09am

re: #18 jwb7605


I think a couple episodes are necessary before I draw a firm conclusion.
So far, all I can say is that it sucks less. I give it a two thumbs.

I might watch regularly if I'm not busy brushing my teeth or combing the dog.

Thanks for the review -- I appreciate it. As I thought, I didn't get to see it last night, but it sounds like it might be worth a look, at least. I couldn't stand it when Colmes was on -- in fact, I leave FNC at eight every night, when the Loudmouth comes on, and didn't bother to go back for H&C.

519 sattv4u2  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 4:37:28am

re: #514 Crux Australis

For a place under siege where does the Gaza strip get the gas for all the cars and trucks? Sure plenty of horns honking.

ummm,,, the car don't have ta be a movin to blow a horn !

BEEP BEEP !

520 Dustyvet  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 4:38:06am

re: #515 BlueCanuck

Nah, he got his fill of polish pr0n.

/either that or his boss caught him in the act. . . . .

"Honk me up in a combat zone
Taking my goat, and going home"

521 MandyManners  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 4:38:30am

re: #514 Crux Australis

For a place under siege where does the Gaza strip get the gas for all the cars and trucks? Sure plenty of horns honking.

You infidels and your infidel logic!

522 Dustyvet  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 4:39:30am

re: #521 MandyManners

You infidels and your infidel logic!

It's me, it's me, it's Infadel T....

523 Erik The Red  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 4:39:40am

re: #517 sattv4u2

I'm a fast learner. Whenever she's around, I always wear this >
[Link: www.hockeydogs.com...]

Better put that on sattv4u2. 2M is in the house.

524 Render  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 4:40:36am

All fuel for Gaza comes from Israel. When HAMAS isn't hijacking shipments for themselves or shooting up the trucks and drivers.

FEED
YOUR
ENEMY,
R

525 Render  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 4:41:25am

re: #521 MandyManners

Mornin Cheerleader.

HOWS
TRIX?,
R

526 BlueCanuck  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 4:41:37am

re: #523 Erik The Red

Better put that on sattv4u2. 2M is in the house.

Hope he's got the rest of the padding that goes along with it.

/what if she aims low?
//and on those cold winter nights, I can still feel those steel toed boots. . .

527 sattv4u2  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 4:41:49am

re: #523 Erik The Red

Better put that on sattv4u2. 2M is in the house.

If she's especially grumpy, I wear this!

[Link: swordsandarmor.com...]

528 Mr. Pizza  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 4:41:54am

Don't give Washington any ideas implementing a "Plan 9" of their own. Social Security comes to mind.

529 sattv4u2  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 4:42:16am

re: #526 BlueCanuck

see my 527

530 BlueCanuck  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 4:42:27am

re: #527 sattv4u2

*ding*

531 Render  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 4:43:27am

Seems a bit early, or late for call to prayer. They just did that a little while ago.

Something else?

DEATH
CHANT,
R

532 FamHistoryGuy  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 4:43:55am

Somebody wailing bout something.

533 sattv4u2  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 4:44:58am

re: #532 FamHistoryGuy

Somebody wailing bout something.

You'll have to be nore precise! You could be talking about a Hammasshole, or a Democrat!

534 MandyManners  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 4:45:25am

re: #522 Dustyvet

It's me, it's me, it's Infadel T....

You don't chew your hummus twice?

535 Dustyvet  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 4:45:26am

re: #532 FamHistoryGuy

Somebody wailing bout something.

A draft notice from Hamas Selective Service...Somebody just got drafted...:)

536 rightside  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 4:45:40am

re: #470 aboo-Hoo-Hoo

I overheard a blurb on our local DC tv news last night, according to her, shrillary will bring "clout" (can't remember the exact words, but something to that effect) to the State Dept.

Hmm.. Condi's Biography here.

shrillary is a lawyer, and the spouse of the impeached former president billy jeff.

Just goes to show you, you do not need experience to have a cabinet position in an obama administration.

537 Render  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 4:45:43am

Yeah...

Set your car alarm in all combat zones.

===

Whoa, that was big. So much for that stash of boom material.

SAFETY
FIRST,
R

538 Crux Australis  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 4:45:48am

re: #521 MandyManners

You infidels and your infidel logic!

Are "People of the book" - Jews and Christians considered infidels?

539 FamHistoryGuy  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 4:46:16am

Another nice dust cloud.

540 FamHistoryGuy  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 4:46:55am

re: #533 sattv4u2

Is there a difference these days?

541 Dustyvet  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 4:47:08am

re: #536 rightside

I overheard a blurb on our local DC tv news last night, according to her, shrillary will bring "clout" (can't remember the exact words, but something to that effect) to the State Dept.

Hmm.. Condi's Biography here.

shrillary is a lawyer, and the spouse of the impeached former president billy jeff.

Just goes to show you, you do not need experience to have a cabinet position in an obama administration.

Slick Willie wondering around the State Department with nothing to do, quick lock up the Interns...:)

542 Render  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 4:47:38am

I wonder what the Gaza cam would have looked like when Allenby marched through...in 1917.

LAWRENCE,
R

543 MandyManners  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 4:49:48am

re: #525 Render

Mornin Cheerleader.

HOWS
TRIX?,
R

@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@
@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@
@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@

544 MandyManners  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 4:50:42am

re: #538 Crux Australis

Are "People of the book" - Jews and Christians considered infidels?

I believe so. Of course, I could be wrong. I often am.

545 ThinkRight  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 4:51:03am

re: #536 rightside

I overheard a blurb on our local DC tv news last night, according to her, shrillary will bring "clout" (can't remember the exact words, but something to that effect) to the State Dept.

Hmm.. Condi's Biography here.

shrillary is a lawyer, and the spouse of the impeached former president billy jeff.

Just goes to show you, you do not need experience to have a cabinet position in an obama administration.


Or to be POTUS

546 beblebrox  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 4:51:26am

Good Morning All!

I love the smell of burning Hamasholes in the morning.

547 Render  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 4:52:10am

re: #543 MandyManners

Cartwheels rule.

DIZZY,
R

548 MandyManners  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 4:52:15am

re: #542 Render

I wonder what the Gaza cam would have looked like when Allenby marched through...in 1917.

LAWRENCE,
R

Dirt.

549 Erik The Red  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 4:52:42am

re: #538 Crux Australis

Are "People of the book" - Jews and Christians considered infidels?

I would guess that anyone who does not believe what those goat/sheep/camel fuckers do is seen as an infidel.

550 MandyManners  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 4:52:52am

re: #547 Render

Cartwheels rule.

DIZZY,
R

Rah! Rah!
Sisboom Bah!

551 reine.de.tout  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 4:55:11am

Found this at Israelly Cool.

There are screen black-outs during this, but they are just the dividers between one part and the next - keep it rolling to see the full thing.

Pretty powerful


Hamas Exploitation of Civilians as Human Shields

552 gregg  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 5:03:02am

From The Corner:

President-elect Barack Obama intends to sign off on Pentagon plans to send up to 30,000 more U.S. troops to Afghanistan, but the incoming administration does not anticipate that the Iraq-like "surge" of forces will significantly change the direction of a conflict that has steadily deteriorated over the past seven years.

That attitude must instill confidence in our troops. /

[Link: corner.nationalreview.com...]

553 [deleted]  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 5:03:18am
554 MandyManners  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 5:08:00am

re: #553 taxfreekiller

blah, blah, blah, shria law, or else

Or else.

555 opnion  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 5:08:53am

Good Morning from the land of Jr. Senator Burris.
Biden tells Iraqi officials that the new Administartion wants a patterened withdrawl & does not want to comorimise any gains.
How long will the Obama supporters go along/

556 Syrah  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 5:09:53am

re: #499 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

To add to my pissiness? Came downstairs (wife had to leave earlier, left TV on; she was watching MTV's "Made". What is she? 14?

OR she was just flipping channels. You know the problem, 500 channels and nothing on.

557 beblebrox  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 5:10:14am

Has anyone seen this:

Informed sources in Washington tell Newsmax that Israel indeed will launch a strike against Iran’s nuclear facilities soon – possibly in just days as President George W. Bush prepares to leave office.

The reason: The time clock has begun to run out. Iran is close to acquiring a nuclear device under the control of its radical president, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad.

International Atomic Energy Agency Director General Mohamed ElBaradei said in June that Iran would have a nuclear weapon in as little as six months.

That six-month period has passed.

558 MandyManners  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 5:11:40am

re: #555 opnion

Good Morning from the land of Jr. Senator Burris.
Biden tells Iraqi officials that the new Administartion wants a patterened withdrawl & does not want to comorimise any gains.
How long will the Obama supporters go along/

See gregg's No. 552.

559 legalpad  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 5:12:30am

re: #551 reine.de.tout

Found this at Israelly Cool.

There are screen black-outs during this, but they are just the dividers between one part and the next - keep it rolling to see the full thing.

Pretty powerful


Hamas Exploitation of Civilians as Human Shields

This is an excellent piece. The truly reprehensible are the Westerners and Media who ignore this. Without Media support, these terrorist activities would cease. I hold them directly responsible, their denial notwithstanding.

560 opnion  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 5:15:41am

re: #558 MandyManners

See gregg's No. 552.

I do believe that Barry's supporters are going to suffer some disappointments.
It will now be the art of the doable & it won't include unicorns.
I just hope that BHO does not misuse our military too badly.

561 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 5:22:30am

re: #411 Jim in Virginia

Morning all!
{goddess}
{littleoldlady}
From Israellycool: Hamas says they will consider a cease fire only if Israel withdraws from Gaza.
ROTFL.

Here is what Hamas considers all of Gaza.

562 jcbunga  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 5:28:36am

re: #552 gregg

From The Corner:


That attitude must instill confidence in our troops. /

How did we get from "With confidence in our armed forces, with the unbounding determination of our people, we will gain the inevitable triumph. So help us God" to won't work, why try?

If the libs aren't up to it, get the hell out of the way and make room for those who are.

Cowards.

563 Render  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 5:29:35am

IDF on the move again. Three seperate columns again. HAMAS can't stop them, again.

IDF owns Merkava Ridge (my name for it), which I'm guessing is about 3 to four miles from the camera poin...t

Make that four columns.

Still no UAV's (whats up with that?) and very little return fire from HAMAS, compared to previous days that is....

Make that five columns now.

FUN
CITY,
R

564 3 wood  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 5:29:37am

Good morning.

Look for the market to have it's fifth consecutive losing day as the over night futures are all down about 0.50%, the Nikkei was down 4.79% and the Hang Seng was down 2.17%.

Also, light sweet crude is down 2.08% to $36.81, gold is at $817.40


I'm starting to think that 2009 will be basically flat, that we will bounce up and down but stay in the 800 to 950 S&P range all year. I expect GM and Chrysler to soon say they need many billions more to make it, once Obama is sworn in.

Also, the Fed is just getting around to getting the toxic assets of the books of the major banks.

Next step is to get toxic assets off bank books: Bernanke

WASHINGTON (MarketWatch) -- The next step in the battle against the financial market crisis is to get toxic assets off the balance sheets of financial institutions, Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke said Tuesday. This may require additional government outlays, presumably above and beyond the $700 billion fund set up by Congress last fall. In a speech in London, Bernanke said that there are several ways to remove troubled assets. One way would be to set up a "bad bank" which would purchase the toxic debt. The government could also purchase the assets or provide guarantees under which the taxpayers would absorb some of the losses.

This is interesting to hear, since this was one of the whole reasons for the bank bail out in the first place, and they still have not gotten around to doing this? No wonder the banks are still sitting on their cash.

Bernanke may find that he has a hard time getting this done after Obama gets sworn in cause I think the Messiah has a whole bunch of other plans for the bail out dough that still remains.

565 Spenser (with an S)  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 5:33:42am

Hey Wyatt, are you still here? On that west coast transit cop who shot the guy last week; Do you guys sometimes, after giving a large benefit of the doubt sometimes end up harsher than civilians because somebody just let something get way out of hand because of fear or inexperience? I don't know if that is exactly the case there, but I think I'd be like "dumbass! our jobs aren't hard enough that you have to go and do that?"

566 Oh no...Sand People!  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 5:36:58am

re: #564 3 wood

Good morning.

Look for the market to have it's fifth consecutive losing day as the over night futures are all down about 0.50%, the Nikkei was down 4.79% and the Hang Seng was down 2.17%.

Also, light sweet crude is down 2.08% to $36.81, gold is at $817.40

I'm starting to think that 2009 will be basically flat, that we will bounce up and down but stay in the 800 to 950 S&P range all year. I expect GM and Chrysler to soon say they need many billions more to make it, once Obama is sworn in.

Also, the Fed is just getting around to getting the toxic assets of the books of the major banks.

Next step is to get toxic assets off bank books: Bernanke

This is interesting to hear, since this was one of the whole reasons for the bank bail out in the first place, and they still have not gotten around to doing this? No wonder the banks are still sitting on their cash.

Bernanke may find that he has a hard time getting this done after Obama gets sworn in cause I think the Messiah has a whole bunch of other plans for the bail out dough that still remains.

I keep hearing that the *adjusts tinfoil hat* covert goal of these 'bailouts' is to devalue and destroy the dollar. Create an artificial monetary crisis by not allowing the markets to correct themselves by following basic economic priniciples. Then claim that there has to be a Global finance group type thingamajig... not sure how to explain it.

What is your take on that?

567 SteveC  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 5:45:21am

*Salutes*
1st South Carolina Lizard Brigade all present and accounted for!

569 DeafDog  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 5:49:20am

Good Morning, Lizards.

Sorry if this is a repost, but I was just sent the link this morning. It's a good read and brief.

A German View on Islam

570 yochanan  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 5:50:11am

[Link: www.jpost.com...]

a total hoot.

571 Ford_Prefect  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 5:52:08am

Good Morning lizards!

Boy, it sure is quiet around here. Maybe this will liven things up (I wasn't around yesterday so I apologize if this was posted already):

Obama climate czar has socialist ties

Until last week, Carol M. Browner, President-elect Barack Obama's pick as global warming czar, was listed as one of 14 leaders of a socialist group's Commission for a Sustainable World Society, which calls for "global governance" and says rich countries must shrink their economies to address climate change.

By Thursday, Mrs. Browner's name and biography had been removed from Socialist International's Web page, though a photo of her speaking June 30 to the group's congress in Greece was still available.

...

The group's Commission for a Sustainable World Society, the organization's action arm on climate change, says the developed world must reduce consumption and commit to binding and punitive limits on greenhouse gas emissions.

...

Mrs. Browner ran the Environmental Protection Agency under President Clinton. Until she was tapped for the Obama administration, she was on the board of directors for the National Audubon Society, the League of Conservation Voters, the Center for American Progress and former Vice President Al Gore's Alliance for Climate Protection.

At least we can be confident that she will be open minded about the whole global warming thing. ///

572 rightside  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 5:52:39am

shrillary's Smart Power

573 apachegunner  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 5:53:46am

re: #567 SteveC

*Salutes*
1st South Carolina Lizard Brigade all present and accounted for!

how'd ya know the big south carolina honco is present Steve?

574 SteveC  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 5:55:32am

Ouch! From Twitter:

"gaza update: hamas stealing food from the people, selling it back to them, hiding underground, letting them die, what an embarrassment"

575 SteveC  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 5:56:36am

re: #573 apachegunner

how'd ya know the big south carolina honco is present Steve?

Not as big as I used to be, dropped some weight! :)

576 3 wood  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 5:57:17am

re: #566 Oh no...Sand People!

I keep hearing that the *adjusts tinfoil hat* covert goal of these 'bailouts' is to devalue and destroy the dollar. Create an artificial monetary crisis by not allowing the markets to correct themselves by following basic economic priniciples. Then claim that there has to be a Global finance group type thingamajig... not sure how to explain it.

What is your take on that?

I've heard the same stuff but I don't believe that is the intent here.

Government officials always believe that they should do "something" when there is a problem, in this case their "do something" option basically boils down to spend money.

Here's what I think, FWIW. The "toxic assets" were created by a combination of very poorly conceived government policy and human greed taking advantage of that policy. The existence of those toxic assets froze the financial system, which is like your heart locking up. You can over come a whole lot of other illnesses but if the heart locks up you are gone. Same thing with the financial system.

I was in favor of the bank bail out to the extent that it got the toxic assets off the books of the banks (and no, I do not work in the banking industry so I do not have an ax to grind there, despite the musings of some LGF'rs to the contrary) so the financial system could start functioning again. That included bailing out AIG cause of they folded, the consequences to all the existing deals they insured would have also shut down the financial system.

I wanted that in combination with re-regulation to eliminate the community Reinvestment Act abuses of the system, require bond insurers to actually reserve a reasonable amount of the deal covered in escrow, eliminate "mark to market' valuing of assets, and some better oversight of short selling activity. I believe if we do that, the economy will start to recover in 6 months.

But the bail outs for the auto companies and all the rest, no, big mistake. These people will never stop holding their hands out for money.

I do believe though that as a side effect of all this, you will see high inflation in a year or two.

577 Ford_Prefect  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 5:58:45am

re: #569 DeafDog

Good Morning, Lizards.

Sorry if this is a repost, but I was just sent the link this morning. It's a good read and brief.

A German View on Islam

Very good post. That should be sent to all those people out there who think we should mind our own business and stay out of places like Iraq. People seem to forget the primary reason we went in there was to oust a tyrannical ruler that killed any of his own people who opposed him. We should have just allowed this to happen? I don't think so.

578 SteveC  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 5:59:04am

Another OUCH! from twitter:

"update: percent of world population that has marched in support of hamas in demonstrations: 0.0013%"

Is this guy a Lizard?

579 SteveC  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 6:00:57am

Hamas be stealin'

580 realwest  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 6:02:24am

Good morning y'all - from a frigid (32 degrees now, 26 degrees when I got up and going up to 51 degrees) but bright and sunny Charlotte!
How is everyone doing this morning?

581 apachegunner  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 6:02:32am

re: #577 Ford_Prefect Hiya Ford

582 apachegunner  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 6:03:02am

re: #580 realwest

Good morning y'all - from a frigid (32 degrees now, 26 degrees when I got up and going up to 51 degrees) but bright and sunny Charlotte!
How is everyone doing this morning?


morning RW, hope things are well.

583 realwest  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 6:04:25am

re: #582 apachegunner
Good morning to you Guns. How are you today?

584 Digital Display  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 6:04:34am

re: #580 realwest

Good morning y'all - from a frigid (32 degrees now, 26 degrees when I got up and going up to 51 degrees) but bright and sunny Charlotte!
How is everyone doing this morning?


Good Morning RW! What's up today?

585 Ford_Prefect  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 6:04:44am

re: #580 realwest

Morning, real. Today is expected to get up to the mid 30's here in CT. This is going to be the warmest day of the week. We are expecting highs of around 11 on Friday.

re: #581 apachegunner

Hiya back atcha.

586 Wishing  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 6:04:57am

re: #580 realwest

Good morning y'all - from a frigid (32 degrees now, 26 degrees when I got up and going up to 51 degrees) but bright and sunny Charlotte!
How is everyone doing this morning?

Good morning, Real! 29 up here in TN!

587 apachegunner  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 6:05:16am

re: #584 HoosierHoops ahhh, the Hoopster, how ya doing?

588 Ford_Prefect  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 6:05:33am

re: #584 HoosierHoops

Morning, HH. Hopefully things are starting to pick up around here.

589 apachegunner  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 6:05:40am

re: #583 realwest

Good morning to you Guns. How are you today?


doing well RW, you feeling ok today?

590 SteveC  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 6:05:41am

Another Twitter OUCH! :

"update: hamas hiding in hospitals, war crime to use hospitals as military facilty."

The Force is strong in this one.

591 Digital Display  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 6:06:14am

re: #587 apachegunner

ahhh, the Hoopster, how ya doing?

doing great guns..It's cold here..I don't know how cold..but..it's frigging cold. :)

592 realwest  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 6:06:33am

re: #578 SteveC
Good morning Steve C. How are you? I want you to know that I reported you link to Charles as I think it would make an interesting thread! Good find on your part, too!

593 apachegunner  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 6:07:38am

re: #591 HoosierHoops
I know, talked to my daugher in Munster, IN, this a.m. and she has to drive to work in this cold, snowy mess. Sure glad I'm in SC!

594 Digital Display  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 6:07:44am

re: #588 Ford_Prefect

Morning, HH. Hopefully things are starting to pick up around here.

Morning! Did your gov't bail-out arrive in the mail yet? I got a Billion..how much are you getting?

595 DeafDog  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 6:08:22am

re: #576 3 wood

I've heard the same stuff but I don't believe that is the intent here.

Government officials always believe that they should do "something" when there is a problem, in this case their "do something" option basically boils down to spend money.

Here's what I think, FWIW. The "toxic assets" were created by a combination of very poorly conceived government policy and human greed taking advantage of that policy. The existence of those toxic assets froze the financial system, which is like your heart locking up. You can over come a whole lot of other illnesses but if the heart locks up you are gone. Same thing with the financial system.

I was in favor of the bank bail out to the extent that it got the toxic assets off the books of the banks (and no, I do not work in the banking industry so I do not have an ax to grind there, despite the musings of some LGF'rs to the contrary) so the financial system could start functioning again. That included bailing out AIG cause of they folded, the consequences to all the existing deals they insured would have also shut down the financial system.

I wanted that in combination with re-regulation to eliminate the community Reinvestment Act abuses of the system, require bond insurers to actually reserve a reasonable amount of the deal covered in escrow, eliminate "mark to market' valuing of assets, and some better oversight of short selling activity. I believe if we do that, the economy will start to recover in 6 months.

But the bail outs for the auto companies and all the rest, no, big mistake. These people will never stop holding their hands out for money.

I do believe though that as a side effect of all this, you will see high inflation in a year or two.


So....

The Financial System is the heart.
The toxic assets are cheese fries
The govt. policies are a Big Mac
Greed is
The Financial Bailout was Lipotor

596 Wishing  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 6:08:39am

re: #594 HoosierHoops

Morning! Did your gov't bail-out arrive in the mail yet? I got a Billion..how much are you getting?

...and all I get are these Zionist checks...gonna have to work on this...

597 Erik The Red  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 6:08:43am

re: #594 HoosierHoops

Morning! Did your gov't bail-out arrive in the mail yet? I got a Billion..how much are you getting?

Hey 2H. A billion Zim. dollars?/

598 apachegunner  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 6:09:35am

re: #597 Erik The Red

Hey 2H. A billion Zim. dollars?/


hi Eric, is that Zim or Sim?

599 Ford_Prefect  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 6:09:47am

re: #594 HoosierHoops

Morning! Did your gov't bail-out arrive in the mail yet? I got a Billion..how much are you getting?

When I opened the envelope all I got was this sucking sound directed at my wallet.

600 DeafDog  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 6:09:48am

re: #595 DeafDog

So....

The Financial System is the heart.
The toxic assets are cheese fries
The govt. policies are a Big Mac
Greed is
The Financial Bailout was Lipotor

Greed is Bacon.

(hit post too quck....need more coffee)

601 realwest  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 6:09:48am

re: #584 HoosierHoops
Hey there Hoops - what's this I heard about Tony Dungy?
As for what's up with me, well my friend who had surgery is doing ok, I gather - last night his wife told me that he was still in ICU but that both his surgeon and oncologist were "cautiously optimistic" and this morning I've got two other friends going into surgery and am now praying for them, too.
How are you doing?

602 realwest  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 6:11:25am

re: #585 Ford_Prefect
Hey Ford - 30's for a high? Whoa, y'all ought to consider relocating to the currently frozen Southland where we will get into the fifties!

603 Digital Display  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 6:11:56am

re: #601 realwest

Hey there Hoops - what's this I heard about Tony Dungy?
As for what's up with me, well my friend who had surgery is doing ok, I gather - last night his wife told me that he was still in ICU but that both his surgeon and oncologist were "cautiously optimistic" and this morning I've got two other friends going into surgery and am now praying for them, too.
How are you doing?

Yes Tony retired from football.. I was going to use my billion dollar bail-out check to buy the Colts and install myself as meddling owner and coach..you know..kind of like the Cowboys..
Whadda think?

604 Super-ego  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 6:12:18am

Mornin' all. Sunny, breezy, and 29 degrees in North Texas.

All is well.

605 realwest  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 6:13:03am

re: #586 Wishing
29? In Tenn.? Y'all must be facing the same weather we are - are you expecting any precipitation today?
(You are, of course, just a mountain range away from me - depending on where you are, exactly, in Tenn.!).

606 albusteve  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 6:13:09am

if it hasn't been posted here's Joe the Plumbers second PJTV gig...

[Link: www.pjtv.com...]

607 Erik The Red  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 6:13:30am

re: #598 apachegunner

hi Eric, is that Zim or Sim?

Zimbabwe

608 reine.de.tout  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 6:13:32am

OK, I posted this in spin-offs and also upthread a couple of hours ago, but there are more folks here now, and this is a must-see, in my opinion.

Here is a video showing Hamas using civilians as human shields. It is not gruesome in that no deaths or blood are shown; it is, however, very disturbing since in one portion, you can see Hamas fighters grabbing people off the street.

Found this at Israelly Cool.

Youtube Video
609 Ford_Prefect  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 6:13:48am

I heard that George Bush has requested that Congress free up more of that bailout money. He apparently did this at the suggestion of Barack Obama, because Obama wants to have that money at his disposal as soon as he takes the oath. Isn't this the same bailout money that Obama didn't deem important enough to suspend his campaign in order to ensure passage of in the first place?

610 faraway  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 6:13:49am

re: #576 3 wood

I agree. We need to do those things. But, fundamentally we are screwed.

2009 deficit $1.7 trillion
2009 revenues $2.4 trillion

We are spending $20,000 per household per year more than we make.

After 4 years of Obama that $80,000 tax bill will come due.

611 SteveC  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 6:13:54am

re: #592 realwest

Good morning Steve C. How are you? I want you to know that I reported you link to Charles as I think it would make an interesting thread! Good find on your part, too!

Aw, hell... man, I'm in the witless protection program! *starts throwing things into a bag*

612 Dizzy  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 6:14:02am

MUST SEE VIDEO!

Go over to Elder of Ziyon's blog and view this amazing video of an Israeli soldier using a human shield. Yes, that is not a mistake, but it might not be what you think it is.

Amazing IDF soldiers, the best in the world.

613 Wishing  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 6:14:14am

re: #605 realwest

29? In Tenn.? Y'all must be facing the same weather we are - are you expecting any precipitation today?
(You are, of course, just a mountain range away from me - depending on where you are, exactly, in Tenn.!).

Yes, 29 with a high of 42 expected. I am just over the mountain from Asheville.
They say a slight chance of snow this afternoon.

614 apachegunner  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 6:14:37am

re: #603 HoosierHoops what precipitated his retirement? Anything negative?

615 apachegunner  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 6:14:51am

re: #607 Erik The Red
IC

616 Leonidas Hoplite  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 6:15:28am

For those who haven't seen this yet, a must read piece in the WSJ

[Link: online.wsj.com...]

A Pew study from September shows 25% of Germans and 20% of French are still affected by this virus. In Spain, 46% have unfavorable views of Jews. Is there really no connection between this statistic and the fact that the Spanish media and government are among Europe's most hostile toward the Jewish state? Is it just a coincidence that Europe's largest anti-Israel demonstration took place Sunday in Spain, with more than 100,000 protesters?

617 Erik The Red  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 6:15:29am

Seeing as you are all talking about the weather. It is not good here today. Low 80's and cloudy. May get some rain later. No sitting by the pool for me this evening.

618 Ayatollah Ghilmeini  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 6:16:10am

Why it is so easy to love Israel:

"I can fix the windows," Ben-Hamu replied. "But my family, that's a whole different story."

Think about it. A terror rocket just destroyed their house.The government failed to protect them. Everything they had was lost. And its NO BIG DEAL!

Because life itself is the goal. Its not about things, it is about life.

This whole war is about life. Not just Hamas' objection to the existence of Jewish life but Hamas' attitude about life is not worth a thing unless you are killing Israel of preparing to do so. Putting your own life on hold to do something noble and great is usually commendable but if your goal is evil and you prevent others from living their lives there is nothing commendable about it whatsoever. This is what Hamas is all about and this is why 90% of Israelis approve of this war; it is why Israel is winning this war and why Hamas is doomed.

There is talk of international forces and cease-fires and but the war is still grinding on and Hamas is just getting clobbered. This is a rough estimate and there is no reporting to back this up but I am pretty certain at least 200 Israeli soldiers have been injured in the fighting. You just can't have this much war, and this kind of war, without many people getting hit with bullets, blasts, molten metal and shrapnel. Many Palestinian lives have also been saved. Fortunately, Israel's battlefield medical abilities are second to none, there would be a lot more KIA (20-30 years ago, given this kind of fighting, Israel would have 100 dead by now) but Israel does some rather unique things to protect her boys: most Israeli tanks and armored vehicles have a special rear hatch designed to get casualties out while under fire without further harm. They also put the engine in front to put more metal between fire and flesh. The hatch opens to a flat stretcher-width opening to allow the injured to lay flat while the steel gets him to medical treatment. That's right folks, Israel's is the only army in the world that spends extra on her armor and designs her entire fleet of fighting vehicles with combat lifesaving in mind, to get more of her boys home safe. Contrast this with the videos of Hamas dragging kids to be used and shields and then tell me who are the children of light and who are the children of darkness.

And be assured the number one, non-negotiable condition of cease fire is Gilad Shalit coming home. In other words, Hamas will not be granted mercy until they hand him over and, if he is harmed in any way, there is no cease fire any more! Hamas has the power to kill him but the price they will pay for doing so will be terrible. Anyone found to have had a hand in is death will be found out and hunted down. What nation would do this for one soldier?

Gilad, you are coming home.

Israel seems to have stepped up the ground game to put an end to the main fighting this week. Hamas is still fighting but their collapse is clear, their leadership is half on the run and the ones who stay and fight know they will die in a losing cause.

Last point and off to work. A massacre is killing a lot of people indiscriminately. But the numbers show that Israel has been VERY discriminating in who she is killing. The highest estimate of civilian casualties is around 200, the remaining 6-700 (I think this reported number is way low) have all been armed soldiers or paramilitary forces. The abuse of the word massacre is the great verbal war crime of the radicals protesting on the streets of Western Civilization. Moreover, in most massacres, there usually isn't fighting between victims and perpetrators, many Israeli soldiers have been wounded in this war, the correct word for what is happening in Gaza, again the exact opposite of what would happen if the protesters and their beloved Hamas had their way.

Soon it will be over. Iran will not do anything until after 1-20.

Believe in the Victory!

619 Digital Display  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 6:16:24am

re: #614 apachegunner

what precipitated his retirement? Anything negative?

No not really.. He set a goal years ago to be out of football when he was 50 yrs old.. He's 53 now..so he missed the mark abit.

620 SteveC  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 6:17:02am

re: #603 HoosierHoops

Yes Tony retired from football.. I was going to use my billion dollar bail-out check to buy the Colts and install myself as meddling owner and coach..you know..kind of like the Cowboys..
Whadda think?

sounds like a good plan! With my bailout check, I want season tickets at an outdoor baseball facility on the sunny side. Down close to the field in the section where the waiters and waitresses will bring you your food and drink!

/Section 7, Seat 14 is as close to heaven as I want to be (before I actually go!)

621 realwest  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 6:17:39am

re: #603 HoosierHoops
Well hell, I'm available as assistant meddler! But I want to be paid - I don't come cheap ya know!
I'm sorry to see Dungy go; I think he was a class act all the way and I'm certain that as soon as your bailout cash arrives and you actually buy the franchise, you'll help the Colts get back to the Superbowl! LOL!

622 gregg  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 6:18:11am

re: #576 3 wood

I recall reading somewhere that one way to fix the housing crisis is to run up the inflation rate. That way all the bad mortgages on over priced homes will become less toxic as inflation pushes home values back up. I may have misunderstood the article, so if I'm way off base, I apologize.

623 realwest  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 6:19:11am

re: #604 Super-ego
Good morning back atcha - geebus, 29 degrees in North Texas? How far north - Fargo N.D.?!? LOL!

624 SteveC  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 6:20:12am

re: #621 realwest

I'm certain that as soon as your bailout cash arrives and you actually buy the franchise, you'll help the Colts get back to the Superbowl! LOL!

Hey Payton, throw that ball all you want, man! The more the merrier!

/It's a start!

625 mattm  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 6:20:48am

FOXNews: Congressional Dem says too much security at The 0ne's innurg.

626 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 6:21:55am

Morning guys!

I'll be going this morning to pick up my wife's care with it's newly repaired headgasket.

Tell me some good news...

627 OldLineTexan  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 6:22:01am

re: #623 realwest

Good morning back atcha - geebus, 29 degrees in North Texas? How far north - Fargo N.D.?!? LOL!

real, it was 32F yesterday morning just north of HOUSTON.

I love Canadian fronts, though.

628 apachegunner  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 6:22:04am

re: #619 HoosierHoops well, I gotta say he did a truly outstanding job at Indy

629 OldLineTexan  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 6:22:45am

With Obama's resurrection of Clinton's staff, it's more like Plan 9 From Chicago.

630 Digital Display  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 6:23:36am

re: #621 realwest

Well hell, I'm available as assistant meddler! But I want to be paid - I don't come cheap ya know!
I'm sorry to see Dungy go; I think he was a class act all the way and I'm certain that as soon as your bailout cash arrives and you actually buy the franchise, you'll help the Colts get back to the Superbowl! LOL!

I'm looking for someone to spread discord and mayhem in the locker room. I pay well..Plus pacman jones is now available..could be a valuable addition to the team.

631 albusteve  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 6:24:02am

re: #603 HoosierHoops

Yes Tony retired from football.. I was going to use my billion dollar bail-out check to buy the Colts and install myself as meddling owner and coach..you know..kind of like the Cowboys..
Whadda think?

two words....three rings

632 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 6:24:12am

re: #625 mattm

FOXNews: Congressional Dem says too much security at The 0ne's innurg.

Lots of security is a hallmark of a police state, no?

/Obama is in my prayers for that day. The last thing this country needs is any kind of "incident" involving him so he doesn't become POTUS. Can you imagine his elevation to saint-hood if that were to happen? And all of this without a single accomplishment of his own.

633 SasquatchOnSteroids  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 6:24:27am

re: #629 OldLineTexan

With Obama's resurrection of Clinton's staff, it's more like Plan 9 From Chicago.

I'm sure there's a Client 9 from New York joke in there somewhere, but I haven't had enough coffee to think it through yet.

634 apachegunner  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 6:24:33am

re: #626 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

Morning guys!

I'll be going this morning to pick up my wife's care with it's newly repaired headgasket.

Tell me some good news...


the good news is your wifes care doesn't need a headgasket and the car is repaired :>)

635 realwest  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 6:25:04am

re: #608 reine.de.tout
Holy crap reine! Uh, I mean good morning to you!
That video shows two things: a) Hamas are nothing but a bunch of moderately well armed barbarians and b) Israel is really doing much better in the media wars.
The "video" is really disturbing even though we already knew that Hamas were barbarians - there's nothing like seeing it in action to drive the point home and it's IMPORTANT that these facts about Hamas get out, cause you KNOW that the MSM won't show anything like this at all.
As I said a very disturbing video, but truly worthwhile and I thank you for putting it up!

636 OldLineTexan  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 6:25:10am

re: #631 albusteve

two words....three rings

And ninety-two felony prosecutions!

/

637 MandyManners  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 6:25:21am

When I'm Empress of the Universe, nothing will start before 9:00 in the morning.

Later, Lizards.

638 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 6:25:33am

re: #634 apachegunner

the good news is your wifes care doesn't need a headgasket and the car is repaired :>)

Does that mean it won't cost around $1,600?

639 Digital Display  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 6:25:36am

re: #631 albusteve

two words....three rings

I saw a cowboy SB ring once.. Whoa! pretty friggin nice

640 OldLineTexan  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 6:25:49am

re: #633 SasquatchOnSteroids

I'm sure there's a Client 9 from New York joke in there somewhere, but I haven't had enough coffee to think it through yet.

I'm sure Spitzer had a resurrection or two...

/stolen from South Park

641 apachegunner  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 6:26:08am

re: #630 HoosierHoops
betcha Vic will be a starting QB next year, what do ya think?

642 Kenneth  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 6:26:16am

re: #557 beblebrox

Newsmax is sometimes a dubious news source. They may well be correct on this topic, but I wouldn't take the report as gospel.

643 OldLineTexan  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 6:26:47am

re: #638 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

Does that mean it won't cost around $1,600?

Of course.

Wives are much more expensive than that.

644 Digital Display  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 6:26:56am

re: #637 MandyManners

When I'm Empress of the Universe, nothing will start before 9:00 in the morning.

Later, Lizards.

Crap I already thought you were...Why am i sending dues to you every month?

645 realwest  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 6:27:07am

Oh and while I'm at it, and at the risk of incurring Charles wrath and of being called a cheerleader for LGF, would y'all please do me a personal favor and go to:[Link: 2008.weblogawards.org...] and vote for LGF?!
Thank you!

646 SteveC  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 6:27:14am

parents of wounded soldier speak

647 Bloodnok  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 6:27:33am

re: #631 albusteve

two words....three rings

Talkin' about the Pats? ;-)

648 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 6:27:37am

re: #643 OldLineTexan

Of course.

Wives are much more expensive than that.

Well, if it's gonna come to that, I'll get a newer model...

649 Oh no...Sand People!  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 6:27:57am

re: #576 3 wood

I've heard the same stuff but I don't believe that is the intent here.

Government officials always believe that they should do "something" when there is a problem, in this case their "do something" option basically boils down to spend money.

Here's what I think, FWIW. The "toxic assets" were created by a combination of very poorly conceived government policy and human greed taking advantage of that policy. The existence of those toxic assets froze the financial system, which is like your heart locking up. You can over come a whole lot of other illnesses but if the heart locks up you are gone. Same thing with the financial system.

I was in favor of the bank bail out to the extent that it got the toxic assets off the books of the banks (and no, I do not work in the banking industry so I do not have an ax to grind there, despite the musings of some LGF'rs to the contrary) so the financial system could start functioning again. That included bailing out AIG cause of they folded, the consequences to all the existing deals they insured would have also shut down the financial system.

I wanted that in combination with re-regulation to eliminate the community Reinvestment Act abuses of the system, require bond insurers to actually reserve a reasonable amount of the deal covered in escrow, eliminate "mark to market' valuing of assets, and some better oversight of short selling activity. I believe if we do that, the economy will start to recover in 6 months.

But the bail outs for the auto companies and all the rest, no, big mistake. These people will never stop holding their hands out for money.

I do believe though that as a side effect of all this, you will see high inflation in a year or two.

Alright. Thanks for that outlook. Now, if I understand correctly, the whole point of the bailouts were to work toward the 'toxic assets' yet now we see that they haven't even applied them there. Frustrating situation. I am too clueless on money to really jump to many conclusions, but it seems that the whole mess could have been avoided if the market was allowed to work in the very beginning Jimmy pre-New Deal. IMHO.

650 DeafDog  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 6:27:59am

re: #641 apachegunner

betcha Vic will be a starting QB next year, what do ya think?

Are you referring to Michael Vick? Starting for the Cowboys?

Hmmmmm......that would complete the circus.

651 OldLineTexan  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 6:28:05am

re: #632 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

Lots of security is a hallmark of a police state, no?

/Obama is in my prayers for that day. The last thing this country needs is any kind of "incident" involving him so he doesn't become POTUS. Can you imagine his elevation to saint-hood if that were to happen? And all of this without a single accomplishment of his own.

More importantly, "Plugs' Biden as POTUS.

652 rain of lead  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 6:28:07am

morning guys,
your daily solar gorebull warming update
the sun is blank with an output of solar wind at a slow 326 km/s
here in mid tenn on thursday looking at a low of 6 :0

653 3 wood  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 6:28:11am

re: #600 DeafDog

So....

The Financial System is the heart.
The toxic assets are cheese fries
The govt. policies are a Big Mac
Greed is
The Financial Bailout was Lipotor

Greed is Bacon.

(hit post too quck....need more coffee)

Sort of.

Problems are, the Community Reinvestment Act still exists, there is still not uptick rule for short selling, the mark to market insanity is still lurking in the back ground, and a lot of this bail out money has gone for other things.

I remember many years ago driving through Michigan in a snow storm. I came across a beer truck that had jack-knifed, flipped over and there were cases of beer everywhere. People had pulled over and were throwing cases into their cars and trucks as fast as they possbily could. It was like ants on ice cream on the sidewalk.

I'm sure they were just trying to help clear the road of obstructions.

That is sort of what is happening now with the bail out money. and the front of the "Gimme" line includes quite a few State Governors.

654 realwest  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 6:28:14am

re: #611 SteveC
Oh, man, I'm sorry I blew your cover, cause if anyone deserves to be in that program it's you and I shoulda thought about that before reporting your ass to Charles! LOL!

655 reine.de.tout  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 6:28:21am

re: #635 realwest

Holy crap reine! Uh, I mean good morning to you!
That video shows two things: a) Hamas are nothing but a bunch of moderately well armed barbarians and b) Israel is really doing much better in the media wars.
The "video" is really disturbing even though we already knew that Hamas were barbarians - there's nothing like seeing it in action to drive the point home and it's IMPORTANT that these facts about Hamas get out, cause you KNOW that the MSM won't show anything like this at all.
As I said a very disturbing video, but truly worthwhile and I thank you for putting it up!

Holy Crap - uh, I mean good mornin' Realwest! LOL!

Yes, I thought it was important and does indeed show the 2 things you mentioned. It's why I posted it a second time, since I was here much earlier.

656 Leonidas Hoplite  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 6:28:28am

Here's something else on the growing naval capabilities of China

[Link: www.weeklystandard.com...]

The real reason the PLA Navy's flag now flies off the Arabian peninsula is the continuing failure of the international community to engage and effectively respond to the pirate attacks in that region. After a year of attacks, only in the past few weeks have European navies actually begun to confront the threat there to shipping, it was only in December that the United Nations passed a Security Council resolution authorizing the use of force against pirates operating at sea and on land, if necessary. Yet it has all been too little too late, and now the Chinese navy is taking its place beside the American, Indian, and Russian navies as a major regional player.

I wasn't aware Europe had much in the way of naval capability anymore.

657 OldLineTexan  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 6:28:47am

re: #648 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

Well, if it's gonna come to that, I'll get a newer model...

Don't do it! The new ones are loaded with "current" technology; there's almost nothing on them you can fix yourself.

/

658 apachegunner  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 6:28:50am

re: #645 realwest done

659 3 wood  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 6:29:02am

re: #626 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

Morning guys!

I'll be going this morning to pick up my wife's care with it's newly repaired headgasket.

Tell me some good news...

The repair bill will help stimulate the economy :)

660 AmeriDan  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 6:29:06am

re: #617 Erik The Red

Seeing as you are all talking about the weather. It is not good here today. Low 80's and cloudy. May get some rain later. No sitting by the pool for me this evening.

I shed frozen tears for you.

661 albusteve  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 6:29:26am

re: #636 OldLineTexan

And ninety-two felony prosecutions!

/

only a coupla convictions tho....what's wrong with whoring around and snorting coke?....get with the times man....

662 OldLineTexan  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 6:29:49am

re: #652 rain of lead

morning guys,
your daily solar gorebull warming update
the sun is blank with an output of solar wind at a slow 326 km/s
here in mid tenn on thursday looking at a low of 6 :0

And, our new "Climate Czar" appointee was a paid proponent of the infinitely crappy Dubai Ports World deal.

663 3 wood  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 6:29:52am

re: #635 realwest

Good morning real. Hope you are doing well.

664 albusteve  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 6:30:11am

re: #647 Bloodnok

Talkin' about the Pats? ;-)

they cheat...

665 realwest  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 6:30:31am

re: #617 Erik The Red
Hey Erik - c'mere, I got something for ya (he says, gently hefting the fungo baseball bat behind his back!)!
Wherabouts are you located?

666 Digital Display  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 6:30:36am

re: #650 DeafDog

Are you referring to Michael Vick? Starting for the Cowboys?

Hmmmmm......that would complete the circus.


The Lions could use a QB

667 OldLineTexan  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 6:30:38am

re: #661 albusteve

only a coupla convictions tho....what's wrong with whoring around and snorting coke?....get with the times man....

Yeah, the football team at the main state prison in Huntsville has never been so good.

668 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 6:30:51am

re: #651 OldLineTexan

More importantly, "Plugs' Biden as POTUS.

You won't say that when they carve BHO into Mt Rushmore and rename half the streets in the country to BHO Blvd... all w/o doing anything in his sheltered little life.

669 beblebrox  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 6:31:11am

re: #642 Kenneth

Newsmax is sometimes a dubious news source. They may well be correct on this topic, but I wouldn't take the report as gospel.

neither would I but on the other hand, i would not at all be surprised.

670 3 wood  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 6:31:31am

re: #622 gregg

I recall reading somewhere that one way to fix the housing crisis is to run up the inflation rate. That way all the bad mortgages on over priced homes will become less toxic as inflation pushes home values back up. I may have misunderstood the article, so if I'm way off base, I apologize.

Oh, we can inflate our way out of this, which is what might happen, but I don't think that is the intent.

These people are not bright enough to come up with something that complicated.

671 Bloodnok  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 6:31:36am

re: #664 albusteve

they cheat...

And lie and swear. Isn't it great!

672 Erik The Red  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 6:32:15am

re: #665 realwest

Hey Erik - c'mere, I got something for ya (he says, gently hefting the fungo baseball bat behind his back!)!
Wherabouts are you located?

Durban S. Africa. Sorry I try not to rub your cold weather in. Couldn't resist this time/

673 3 wood  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 6:32:17am

re: #666 HoosierHoops

The Lions could use a QB

And a defensive line, two linebackers, a safety who hits and a shut down corner.

674 apachegunner  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 6:32:28am

re: #666 HoosierHoops

The Lions could use a QB

ya, the Panthers could use him too

675 realwest  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 6:33:38am

re: #618 Ayatollah Ghilmeini Thank you for that comment. Just superb, as always.

676 apachegunner  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 6:33:53am

re: #672 Erik The Red
Eric just what is the coldest day of the year there and at what temp?

677 FrogMarch  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 6:34:01am

Yahoo headline:

Clinton vows 'smart mix' of diplomacy and defense

The democrat party and the MSM - turning into a tampon commercial.

678 SteveC  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 6:34:13am

re: #668 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

You won't say that when they carve BHO into Mt Rushmore and rename half the streets in the country to BHO Blvd... all w/o doing anything in his sheltered little life.

Obama Day Sale! Everything is 57% off at Heinman's Furniture...

679 albusteve  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 6:35:11am

re: #667 OldLineTexan

Yeah, the football team at the main state prison in Huntsville has never been so good.

I remember well when my boy, about 11yrs old, went up to his room took down his cool M Irvin poster, rolled it up and took it outside and stuffed it in the herbie curbie....I was truly disgusted then to see his heart broken like that...he loved that team with a passion...it just aint right

680 Oh no...Sand People!  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 6:35:23am

re: #677 FrogMarch

Yahoo headline:

The democrat party and the MSM - turning into a tampon commercial.

Soaking the very blood right out of us...

681 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 6:35:28am

re: #678 SteveC

Obama Day Sale! Everything is 57% off at Heinman's Furniture...

Is that next to the "Going out of Business" store?

682 OldLineTexan  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 6:36:35am

re: #681 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

Is that next to the "Going out of Business" store?

To be fair, that's an "Oriental Rug" store, and they've been going out of business for twenty-three years, two months, and eleven days.

/HAMAS ain't the only liars in that bunch

683 DeafDog  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 6:36:36am

re: #653 3 wood

So the financial bailout is a combination of Lipotor and an overturned beer truck.....I got it.

:-)

684 Erik The Red  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 6:37:10am

re: #676 apachegunner

Eric just what is the coldest day of the year there and at what temp?

Doesn't get much lower than 10 Celsius here in the winter. Great climate. Pity about the government and a large section of the population.

685 realwest  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 6:37:13am

re: #626 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret) Good morning LT! Uh, what is your wife's care that you're picking up (y'all can e-mail me if you don't want others out here to know!)?!

686 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 6:37:41am

Out of here to go get the wife's overpriced unbroken car...

687 OldLineTexan  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 6:37:42am

re: #683 DeafDog

So the financial bailout is a combination of Lipotor and an overturned beer truck.....I got it.

:-)

I helped clean up an overturned banana truck once.

/mmmmmm, beer

688 OldLineTexan  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 6:38:11am

re: #685 realwest

Good morning LT! Uh, what is your wife's care that you're picking up (y'all can e-mail me if you don't want others out here to know!)?!

Typo. It's her car.

689 realwest  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 6:38:37am

re: #627 OldLineTexan
Hey OLT - yeah, I love Canadian Fronts too, epsecially when they stop in Virginia! LOL! Good morning to you.

690 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 6:38:55am

re: #685 realwest

Good morning LT! Uh, what is your wife's care that you're picking up (y'all can e-mail me if you don't want others out here to know!)?!

We got her a used Subuaru Forester this past summer when her 250k mile van finally took a dump with its 3rd transmission.

691 SteveC  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 6:39:05am

re: #674 apachegunner

ya, the Panthers could use him too

The ball was slick! Jake forgot to wash his hands after eating that Bojangles chicken!

www.youtube.com/watch?v=g0BF_UDHc-0&feature=related

692 Wishing  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 6:39:24am

Are you all watching the Gaza live feed?
The bastards just shot two Israelis!

693 opnion  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 6:39:46am

re: #662 OldLineTexan

And, our new "Climate Czar" appointee was a paid proponent of the infinitely crappy Dubai Ports World deal.

A 'Climate Czar"? The insanity deepens. I look for a new cabinet post being created under Obama, " Grand Unicorn Wrangler"

694 OldLineTexan  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 6:39:55am

re: #691 SteveC

The ball was slick! Jake forgot to wash his hands after eating that Bojangles chicken!

www.youtube.com/watch?v=g0BF_UDHc-0&feature=relate d

Really? How incredibly RACIST.

/

695 Erik The Red  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 6:40:00am

Later Lizards. Going home see you in an hour or two.

696 realwest  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 6:40:03am

re: #630 HoosierHoops
Well I ain't Pacman Jones (thank God!) but for the right amount of money I'll sow discord for ya!

697 DeafDog  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 6:40:08am

re: #666 HoosierHoops

The Lions could use a QB

The lions could use just about anything except a wide receiver.....I bet they draft Crabtree from Texas T.

698 albusteve  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 6:40:12am

re: #690 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

We got her a used Subuaru Forester this past summer when her 250k mile van finally took a dump with its 3rd transmission.

damn good car...bought one for my daughter...hugely popular here in NM too

699 Bloodnok  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 6:40:19am

re: #679 albusteve

I remember well when my boy, about 11yrs old, went up to his room took down his cool M Irvin poster, rolled it up and took it outside and stuffed it in the herbie curbie....I was truly disgusted then to see his heart broken like that...he loved that team with a passion...it just aint right

I heard the author of the following book on the radio here in Boston a few weeks ago. STARTLING stuff about the Cowboys party ways in the 80's-90's. STARTLING. The comments give away a few of the stories.

700 faraway  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 6:40:29am

I'm getting a bad feeling about what is happening to Joe the Journalist.

PJTV only shows Joe if you signup on their website. No YouTubes for the masses.

The only images and videos most people will see of Joe are the ones produced by the MSM. These will play out like the ones from yesterday - edited and out of context.

Joe better get those PJTV clips on YouTube or he's screwed.

These PJTV clips need to be edited. Get rid of Joe holding the rocket and clock gifts. Show the kid's playground/ bomb shelter.

701 OldLineTexan  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 6:41:01am

re: #693 opnion

A 'Climate Czar"? The insanity deepens. I look for a new cabinet post being created under Obama, " Grand Unicorn Wrangler"

Carol Browner

702 jzm  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 6:41:25am

re: #692 Wishing

Yes I saw it.

703 SteveC  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 6:41:42am

re: #692 Wishing

Are you all watching the Gaza live feed?
The bastards just shot two Israelis!

Shit! Hamas gotta die....!

Wait.. they doing that already! Carry on!

704 Ford_Prefect  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 6:42:59am

re: #701 OldLineTexan

Carol Browner

See my number 571.

705 albusteve  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 6:43:05am

re: #699 Bloodnok

I heard the author of the following book on the radio here in Boston a few weeks ago. STARTLING stuff about the Cowboys party ways in the 80's-90's. STARTLING. The comments give away a few of the stories.

I've heard of this book...I'll check it out...it's part of the legend

706 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 6:43:22am

Honestly, what the hell was Ed Wood thinking?

707 Wishing  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 6:43:40am

I thought this Channel 2 was owned/operator by Israelis?
If it is, they somehow snuck in a Hamas loop to the video stream;.

708 OldLineTexan  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 6:43:46am

More Carol Browner.

Looks to be a choice on par with Jamie Gorelick.

No wonder Obama needs Hillary Clinton. He's hiring all her former employees.

709 OldLineTexan  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 6:44:19am

re: #704 Ford_Prefect

Sorry!

710 realwest  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 6:44:36am

re: #642 Kenneth
Hey - good morning my friend! Gospel? More like wishful thinking I'm afraid.
How are you this morning?

711 OldLineTexan  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 6:44:39am

re: #706 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Honestly, what the hell was Ed Wood thinking?

"How can I make some money?"

712 apachegunner  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 6:45:26am

re: #691 SteveC
yes, Jake had four bad games like that this year, including that one. I think its time to look elsewhere and Vic has paid the penalty and was and prolly still a great QB. Lets go for it!

713 Wishing  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 6:45:34am

Gaza-cam now gone silent and frozen
Dayum, IDF, finish this job!

714 albusteve  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 6:45:36am

re: #708 OldLineTexan

More Carol Browner.

Looks to be a choice on par with Jamie Gorelick.

No wonder Obama needs Hillary Clinton. He's hiring all her former employees.

he pretty much has to....he has no friends/associates/allies of his own...

715 SteveC  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 6:46:04am

Jordan and Israel exchange gunfire

716 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 6:46:29am

re: #711 OldLineTexan

"How can I make some money?"

Well, that worked out real well!
/

717 OldLineTexan  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 6:46:46am

re: #714 albusteve

he pretty much has to....he has no friends/associates/allies of his own...

Soros can hang some billion-dollar weenies off his neck...then all the Washington wolves will play with him.

Oh, wait. He already did.

718 Wishing  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 6:46:47am

re: #714 albusteve

he pretty much has to....he has no friends/associates/allies of his own...

Isn't this part of what is so scary about this guy? He is like a roboton or something.

719 Oh no...Sand People!  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 6:47:25am

re: #692 Wishing

Are you all watching the Gaza live feed?
The bastards just shot two Israelis!

I can't get the feed to work. Saying it hit the max user limit.

720 OldLineTexan  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 6:47:33am

re: #716 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Well, that worked out real well!
/

As I understand it, the typical Ed Wood movie needed to make about $200 to break even...

/

721 lawhawk  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 6:47:35am

Greets and saluts from the NYC metro area. Operation Cast Lead continues apace, with Hamas getting pounded, Israel offering up yet another 3-hour truce to allow humanitarian aid to flow into Gaza, which is promptly stolen and resold by Hamas to the highest bidder.

The diplomats continue to think that an Islamic terrorist group dedicated to Israel's destruction will abide by ceasefire talks, when their ultimate goal is Israel's destruction. The Islamists keep taking a theological thumping courtesy of Israel, which continues to survive and thrive despite having to spend so much on defending itself from annihilation at the hands of the jihadis. The jihadis, instead of seeing the losses as a reason to stop their jihad, instead will likely seek out the kinds of weapons that will inflict still greater casualties - WMD. Iran will be more than happy to oblige, since Iran too seeks nothing less than Israel's destruction. This is why unconditional victory is absolutely necessary; the Islamists must be defeated, and defeated in such a fashion that their worldview is shattered by the reality that they cannot defeat Israel and that jihad is a failed concept.

After all, more Muslims have died at the hands of jihadis than infidels (or Jews)... and that's a pretty telling fact.

722 iceman1960  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 6:48:02am

I actually have this movie on DVD it's great

723 SteveC  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 6:48:12am

The UN says *no* Hamas inside schools.... Hamas told him so!

724 Wishing  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 6:48:39am

re: #719 Oh no...Sand People!

I can't get the feed to work. Saying it hit the max user limit.

Just keep trying.

725 faraway  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 6:48:53am

re: #718 Wishing

Isn't this part of what is so scary about this guy? He is like a roboton or something.

Let's do some daydreaming....

If I were a Manchurian Candidate, what would I do to tank the country? hmmm...

I could triple the deficit to $1.7 trillion. Nah, they would never fall for that one.

/

726 Ford_Prefect  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 6:48:56am

re: #709 OldLineTexan

Sorry!

That's alright. This place was dead when I posted it. I don't think it got a single response. Glad you brought it up again. Obama can deny that he is a socialist all he wants, but as long as he keeps appointing people like this he doesn't have a leg to stand on. Not that the MSM will call him on it.

727 OldLineTexan  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 6:49:43am

re: #721 lawhawk

After all, more Muslims have died at the hands of jihadis than infidels (or Jews)... and that's a pretty telling fact.

You obviously don't listen to enough BBC radio reports. This am was all about dead women and children, soaring food prices, no electricity, etc. For some odd reason, not a mention of terrorist attacks, rockets, armed thugs for a government, or stolen aid.

728 FrogMarch  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 6:50:00am

re: #680 Oh no...Sand People!

Soaking the very blood right out of us...

ack!

729 realwest  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 6:50:04am

re: #653 3 wood
Good morning 3 wood! I loved that analogy cause it's SO SPOT ON!
But I think the Govenors are gonna have to wait for the second round of bailouts! Meanwhile, I think the Congressional Dems have sorta forgotten about the UAW Big 3 (actually Big 2 since Ford is only looking for a line of credit) and they've done a really good job at hiding the fact that they aren't doing anything worthwhile, too!
Course, they have had years and years of practicising that!

730 SteveC  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 6:50:50am

re: #727 OldLineTexan

You obviously don't listen to enough BBC radio reports. This am was all about dead women and children, soaring food prices, no electricity, etc. For some odd reason, not a mention of terrorist attacks, rockets, armed thugs for a government, or stolen aid.

Must have misplaced that fact sheet. I'm sure it will turn up next month!

731 Ayatollah Ghilmeini  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 6:52:44am

re: #616 Leonidas Hoplite

I remember visiting Spain in 1985 and passing a toy store. The Franco, Mussolini and Hitler action figures in the window just screamed through the window for little Spanish kids to come play a very different WWII games.

732 albusteve  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 6:53:04am

re: #718 Wishing

Isn't this part of what is so scary about this guy? He is like a roboton or something.

he has this front of old line pols around him...seasoned...and here this big eared kid sits at his desk going Duh?....I wonder what's next...already some of his party peeps are disgruntled

733 opnion  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 6:53:27am

re: #701 OldLineTexan

Carol Browner

Actually, I believe that Obama's heart lies with the World Government crowd. I do not have the citation, but does anybody else recall his plan to institute a 0.07% payroll tax in order to alleviate world poverty?

734 3 wood  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 6:53:28am

Here are the current targets of the short sellers in the market:


Short Sellers Attack America's Largest Companies (GE)(PFE)(T)(HAL)(XOM)(INTC)(MSFT)(CSCO)(IBM)

For the latest reported period, ending December 31, short sellers did not make any notable moves in or out of tech, financials, or industrial shares. What they did do was take impressively large positions in many of the largest cap companies in the world.

It was as if a part of the market was making a negative bet across the entire economy.

The short interest in GE (GE) went up 46% to 155 million shares. Shares short in Pfizer (PFE) rose 29% to 76 million shares. The short interest in Halliburton (HAL) moved up 33% to 37.4 million shares. Shares short in AT&T (T) were up 20% to 49.8 million shares. Short interest in IBM (IBM) was up 17% to 17.4 million. Shares short in Exxon Mobil (XOM) rose 14% to 49.8 million.

The short interests in Intel (INTC), Microsoft (MSFT), and Cisco (CSCO) also all rose.

In the financial sector, short sellers slightly increased their positions in most of the big banks. Shares short in CItigroup (C) rose 5% to 149.1 million. The short interest in Wells Fargo (WFC) rose 9% to 144.5%. Shares short in Bank of America (BAC) moved up 8% to 114.3 million.

Short sellers continued to bet against the car companies. Shares short in GM (GM) rose 18% to 107.9% and the short interest in Ford (F) was up 13% to 269.5 million.

Some of the most heavily beaten down Nasdaq stocks got a break Shares short in Amazon (AMZN) dropped 11% to 32.3 million. The short interest in Yahoo! (YHOO) dropped 12% to 36 million. Shares short in Level 3 (LVLT) dropped 5% to 190.8 million. The short interest in Comcast (CMCSA) fell 24% to 59.3 million and shares short in Sirius XM (SIRI) dropped 19% to 214.7 million.

735 Kenneth  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 6:54:22am

re: #710 realwest

Good morning, real! I'm fine enough. Busy day, only time for a few drive-by posts. How are you doing?

736 Oh no...Sand People!  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 6:54:41am

re: #725 faraway

Let's do some daydreaming....

If I were a Manchurian Candidate, what would I do to tank the country? hmmm...

I could triple the deficit to $1.7 trillion. Nah, they would never fall for that one.

/

I can't but help believe that if that were truly the case then President Bush is just as complicit. These 'bailouts' are all on his watch at the moment. As was "Economic Stimulus" part 1. I agree with a lot of President Bush's foreign policies, but domestic have about given me a coronary.

737 SteveC  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 6:54:48am

re: #729 realwest

But I think the Govenors are gonna have to wait for the second round of bailouts!

Heh. Columbia, SC has already sent a delegation to Obamaland to look for it's piece of the pie. Two local communities - both under 5000 people - talked about getting their crap together and submitting a request ASAP. You know, the world could use a good sewer line extension, more sidewalks, and we are always needing to have the manhole covers refurbished!

/I kid you not!

738 OldLineTexan  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 6:55:17am

re: #733 opnion

Actually, I believe that Obama's heart lies with the World Government crowd. I do not have the citation, but does anybody else recall his plan to institute a 0.07% payroll tax in order to alleviate world poverty?

This?

739 albusteve  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 6:55:23am

re: #717 OldLineTexan

Soros can hang some billion-dollar weenies off his neck...then all the Washington wolves will play with him.

Oh, wait. He already did.

he is the Puppet Master

740 WriterMom  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 6:56:14am

Canada Alone Votes Against Anti-Israel Resolution at UN.

741 DeafDog  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 6:56:43am

re: #733 opnion

Actually, I believe that Obama's heart lies with the World Government crowd. I do not have the citation, but does anybody else recall his plan to institute a 0.07% payroll tax in order to alleviate world poverty?

Here's a link to the genius idea.

Obama's World Poverty Link

742 realwest  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 6:57:11am

re: #656 Leonidas Hoplite
Ya know, I must be missing something here. According to your link, the Red Chinese are sending two destroyers and a supply ship, headed by a Rear Admiral and yet "This may fundamentally change U.S. maritime strategy in the coming years."?! That I don't understand, at all. China has, iirc, nothing remotely close to the Ticonderoga Class of US Destroyers and Cruisers and nothing to match either our Aircraft Carrier Battle Groups or our nuclear subs (both the boomers and the hunter-killers) and it has virtually bupkis in the way of moving large numbers of troops/armor/supplies around the world if they have to get "wet".
Glad to have China chasing pirates with us, however.

743 realwest  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 6:57:45am

re: #658 apachegunner
Thanks Guns, I appreciate it!

744 albusteve  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 6:58:45am

re: #740 WriterMom

Canada Alone Votes Against Anti-Israel Resolution at UN.

the UNHRC is a criminal enterprise...it should be immediately disbanded...they get people killed

745 Kenneth  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 6:59:00am

re: #740 WriterMom

Canada Alone Votes Against Anti-Israel Resolution at UN.

Even more remarkably, the Globe & Mail editorial supported Canada's vote!

746 yochanan  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 6:59:05am

Nidfok otchah inshallah hamassholes.

747 Oh no...Sand People!  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 6:59:18am

re: #737 SteveC

Heh. Columbia, SC has already sent a delegation to Obamaland to look for it's piece of the pie. Two local communities - both under 5000 people - talked about getting their crap together and submitting a request ASAP. You know, the world could use a good sewer line extension, more sidewalks, and we are always needing to have the manhole covers refurbished!

/I kid you not!

This about sums up the mentalities at play:

Youtube Video
748 OldLineTexan  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 6:59:50am

Well, hell yes. Everybody wants pie.

749 Render  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 7:00:09am

re: #692 Wishing

That was probably two or three day old footage, maybe older. Just based on the lack of genocidal terrorist gunfire this AM.

The caption read...

"al-Qasseem Brigades adopt shooting at Israeli soldiers, wounding two of them."

(al-Qasseem Brigades is the armed wing of HAMAS - or more armed then the usual HAMAS thugs - I'd venture to say that this "adoption" isn't anything recent.)

I saw one guy fall and everybody else scatter for cover.

Now whats all this about "adopt shooting," and why did both the gunshots and the voice over sound so fake? For all we know one guy slipped and fell, and everybody else in the squad fell down laughing.

If real, I also saw an IDF squad leader who got an unpleasant reminder about sight lines, open ground, and cover versus concealment.

Based on the official casualty reports, there is a very good chance that if this shooting was real, the IDF soldier hit survived.

HARD
LESSONS,
R

750 albusteve  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 7:00:30am

re: #748 OldLineTexan

Well, hell yes. Everybody wants pie.

I want your pie...give it to me

751 FrogMarch  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 7:00:30am

re: #740 WriterMom

Canada Alone Votes Against Anti-Israel Resolution at UN.

Jew-hating heads exploded in Montreal and Toronto.

752 opnion  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 7:00:34am

With Tony Dungy retireing from the Colt's the job is now open for Charlie Weiss, you know keep it in the State. Look what he has done for Notre Dame. He one three games last year & topped that with a 6 & 6 season this year & a bowl win over the Rainbow Warriors in Hawaii.
Notre Dame in my opinion is still the premiere college football program in the nation. Even in a bad season they have the cache of the Yankees.
I could recruit for them. You tell a kid that you will be on national TV every Saturday.
Ther are serious problems there.

753 realwest  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 7:00:44am

re: #673 3 wood
ROFL! A great head coach would help a lot, too!
Meanwhile the Giants need a wide receiver with blazing speed, the moves to get seperation and the hands to catch the ball; one linebacker and one DB and one O lineman for backup purposes.

754 nevergiveup  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 7:00:48am

re: #745 Kenneth

Even more remarkably, the Globe & Mail editorial supported Canada's vote!

Wait till Durban 2. The amount of Israel hate will be amazing!

755 OldLineTexan  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 7:01:02am

re: #750 albusteve

I want your pie...give it to me

I passed it to Obama. He said he was going to "give it to you".

756 loppyd  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 7:01:03am

Good Morning Lizard Nation!

This could be a drive-by post if our client ever shows up for his 9:30 appt.

What's the good word on this frigid January morning?

757 Oh no...Sand People!  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 7:01:42am

re: #740 WriterMom

Canada Alone Votes Against Anti-Israel Resolution at UN.

HERE! HERE!

*Slaps table. *Pounds cane on wooden floor. *Wild Applause.

758 WriterMom  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 7:01:54am

re: #756 loppyd

The best words: AM YISRAEL CHAI.

How are ya lops?

{lopps}

759 Karridine  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 7:02:36am

Liberal Greed Footfalls, website of liberals, where Gleen Grenwald, Kos-Huffington and other crooks & liars meet, was NOT chosen as the best new blog this year...

Maybe NEXT year... or sometime in the decades after that... when the cows come home...

/Go, Isra-el!

760 Ojoe  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 7:02:46am

Check out this video of an eastern monk at The Anchoress. It is wonderful, wonderful.

Good Morning everyone.

761 opnion  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 7:03:09am

re: #741 DeafDog

Here's a link to the genius idea.

Obama's World Poverty Link

Thank's

762 loppyd  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 7:03:14am

re: #758 WriterMom

The best words: AM YISRAEL CHAI.

How are ya lops?

{lopps}

I had to look that up, but Amen!

I'm good {writermothaaah}

How's by you?

763 realwest  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 7:03:23am

re: #688 OldLineTexan
Sigh. I KNEW that OLT - damnit I was just tryin' to have some fun with him!
Sheesh.
Some people.
Mostly Texans, too.

764 Occasional Reader  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 7:03:51am

Howdy.

U.N. Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon called on both sides in the conflict to "just stop."

Both Israel and Hamas, the Islamic militant group that has ruled Gaza since mid-2007, have ignored last week's U.N. Security Council resolution that called for a cease-fire. In an adamant message Monday directed at both sides, Ban demanded that they comply with the cease-fire call.

"My message is simple, direct and to the point -- the fighting must stop," the secretary-general told reporters in New York. "To both sides, I say, just stop now. Too many people have died.

He went on to say: "In reality, I'm a highly overpayed bureaucrat, who's only good for making morally irrelevant bleating noises while preening for the camera, so that people can say we 'care'." I applaud him for his candor.

[okay, he didn't really say that last bit]

765 DeafDog  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 7:03:51am

Good right up from Michael Totten.

Lots of good stuff, but I found this particularly good:

“A new Israeli weapon,” Erlanger writes, “is tailored to the Hamas tactic of asking civilians to stand on the roofs of buildings so Israeli pilots will not bomb. The Israelis are countering with a missile designed, paradoxically, not to explode. They aim the missiles at empty areas of the roofs to frighten residents into leaving the buildings, a tactic called ‘a knock on the roof’.”

This might explain why the roof of the reporters house in the staged video was not destroyed. Israel was trying to protect civilians that Hamas wanted killed.

766 Oh no...Sand People!  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 7:04:17am

re: #756 loppyd

Good Morning Lizard Nation!

This could be a drive-by post if our client ever shows up for his 9:30 appt.

What's the good word on this frigid January morning?

Markets are down=bad
Hamas getting trashed=good

That's about all I got.

767 Leonidas Hoplite  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 7:05:17am

re: #742 realwest

Ya know, I must be missing something here. According to your link, the Red Chinese are sending two destroyers and a supply ship, headed by a Rear Admiral and yet "This may fundamentally change U.S. maritime strategy in the coming years."?! That I don't understand, at all. China has, iirc, nothing remotely close to the Ticonderoga Class of US Destroyers and Cruisers and nothing to match either our Aircraft Carrier Battle Groups or our nuclear subs (both the boomers and the hunter-killers) and it has virtually bupkis in the way of moving large numbers of troops/armor/supplies around the world if they have to get "wet".
Glad to have China chasing pirates with us, however.

The Chinese are, wisely from their point of view, taking advantage of a bad situation to gain knowledge of operating far from their own shores. Clearly, having them help in the fight against Somali pirates is a good thing, but be careful what you wish for.

In the upcoming years, I suspect Chinese naval capability will grow while ours shrinks. Chinese interests are more likely to be Asia-centric, while ours are global. Given that, it is not unreasonable to assume that China could, in several years, become the dominant naval power in the region. Especially when you consider demographics as China has a disproportionate population of boys relative to girls.

768 WriterMom  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 7:05:20am

re: #762 loppyd

Pretty good but farging freaking cold here. Tomorrow, the HIGH is gonna be -12 C.

769 Occasional Reader  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 7:06:15am

re: #740 WriterMom

Canada Alone Votes Against Anti-Israel Resolution at UN.

[salutes]

770 loppyd  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 7:06:17am

re: #763 {realwest}

Hey there handsome.

Pats out. Giants out.

Do you think the NBC brass are panicking at the thought of a Baltimore v. Arizona Super Bowl?

771 yochanan  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 7:06:22am
Google Video

wonder how deep underground the hamassholes are hiding like rats.

772 loppyd  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 7:06:49am

re: #766 Oh no...Sand People!

Markets are down=bad
Hamas getting trashed=good

That's about all I got.

You gots to take the good with the bad!

773 bosforus  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 7:07:06am

Sad / unfortunate news about Kenneth Hammond, the cop who shot dead the man responsible for the trolley square shooting in Salt Lake City in 2007.
A hero's fall: Honored for Trolley Square bravery, Hammond now an ex-cop

Ogden police officer Ken Hammond, called a hero for confronting Trolley Square gunman Sulejman Talovic in February 2007, resigned from the force Friday following accusations of having sex with a minor.
774 loppyd  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 7:07:29am

re: #768 WriterMom

Pretty good but farging freaking cold here. Tomorrow, the HIGH is gonna be -12 C.

It's coming our way....thanks for nuthin'. :)

775 nevergiveup  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 7:07:50am

re: #756 loppyd

Good Morning Lizard Nation!

This could be a drive-by post if our client ever shows up for his 9:30 appt.

What's the good word on this frigid January morning?

Well for you it is that Jim Rice got into the Hall. I guess good for him. I think he probably deserves it and I also think he was helped by the Steroid scandal since he was CLEAN.

776 Ojoe  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 7:07:58am

re: #764 Occasional Reader

morally irrelevant bleating noises

ROFLMAO

777 beblebrox  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 7:08:47am

re: #770 loppyd

Hey there handsome.

Pats out. Giants out.

Do you think the NBC brass are panicking at the thought of a Baltimore v. Arizona Super Bowl?

they needn't be concerned, since at least one of those teams will be the Steelers. ;)

778 nevergiveup  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 7:09:19am

15:42 Iran says Israel stops its aid ship to Gaza (Reuters)

Ya think!

779 WriterMom  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 7:10:16am

re: #764 Occasional Reader

Too many people have "died"? First of all the use of that kind of passive language makes me F8cking sick. Second of all, he didn't seem concerned UP TO NOW with the 'too many' Jews who have 'died'.

780 loppyd  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 7:10:24am

re: #775 nevergiveup

Well for you it is that Jim Rice got into the Hall. I guess good for him. I think he probably deserves it and I also think he was helped by the Steroid scandal since he was CLEAN.

I'm happy for him...it's nice to see that some of the writers finally got over themselves and crossed over.

I know he had a rep for being unpleasant, but he signed by baseball when I was a kid which was a rarity for him. I was on crutches, so that may have tugged at the old heartstrings a little.

781 Kenneth  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 7:10:32am

Mr. Abbas said the Jewish state appeared intent on waging a war of extermination.

"This is the 18th day of the Israeli aggression against our people, which is become more ferocious each day as the number of victims rises," Mr. Abbas said.

"Israel is keeping up this aggression to wipe out our people over there," he said at the opening of a meeting of the executive committee of the Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO) in his base in the West Bank.

If the Israelis really are trying to wipe out the Palestinians, they're sure not doing a very good job of it! With the most powerful military in the region, after 18 days, all Israel has managed to kill are 985 Palestinians. And why are they bothering to send in their ground troops? If Israel intended to "wipe out" the Palestinians they could do it with bombers and artillery without a single IDF soldier entering the territory.

Heck, it only took the Syrians 2 weeks to slaughter 20,000 civilians when they bombed their own city of Hama.

782 Occasional Reader  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 7:10:40am

re: #766 Oh no...Sand People!

Hamas getting trashed=good

No, it isn't. Didn't you hear the Secretary General?

/

783 yochanan  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 7:10:43am
Youtube Video

just to keep it bilingual hopefully no Canadian lizard heads will explode


just kidding EH!

784 rumcrook  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 7:10:43am

re: #776 Ojoe

that was the part I liked too.

785 WriterMom  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 7:11:05am

re: #776 Ojoe

That would actually make a nice rotating title.

786 apachegunner  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 7:11:15am

re: #737 SteveC and those are MY people :>)

787 loppyd  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 7:11:22am

re: #777 beblebrox

they needn't be concerned, since at least one of those teams will be the Steelers. ;)

I hope so. If someone made me choose a team to root for now it would be them.

788 OldLineTexan  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 7:12:19am

re: #787 loppyd

I hope so. If someone made me choose a team to root for now it would be them.

Not me. The Steelers kept the Oilers down all those years, which caused the Titans and the Texans...

789 _RememberTonyC  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 7:12:45am

is anyone watching the hillary confirmation hearing?

790 loppyd  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 7:13:08am

re: #788 OldLineTexan

Not me. The Steelers kept the Oilers down all those years, which caused the Titans and the Texans...

Ahhh.

Anyone but Baltimore is more of my mantra.

791 yochanan  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 7:13:19am

re: #789 _RememberTonyC

is anyone watching the hillary confirmation hearing?

ARE THEY CONFIRMING THAT SHE IS IN FACT A SHE?

792 nevergiveup  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 7:13:21am

re: #789 _RememberTonyC

is anyone watching the hillary confirmation hearing?

Glutton for punishment?

793 Occasional Reader  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 7:13:21am

re: #781 Kenneth

If the Israelis really are trying to wipe out the Palestinians, they're sure not doing a very good job of it!

It's yet another chapter in History's Least Competent "Genocide"®

794 loppyd  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 7:13:33am

re: #789 _RememberTonyC

is anyone watching the hillary confirmation hearing?

no - are you? is it worth slowing my computer down for?

795 beblebrox  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 7:13:54am

re: #787 loppyd

I hope so. If someone made me choose a team to root for now it would be them.

We are really craving #6 right now and if any city needs a boost, it's Pittsburgh.

796 OldLineTexan  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 7:14:04am

re: #791 yochanan

ARE THEY CONFIRMING THAT SHE IS IN FACT A SHE?

They haven't sworn in Crocodile Dundee yet, but if someone spots him the possibility is high...

797 _RememberTonyC  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 7:14:15am

john kerry is chairing the hillary confirmation hearing ... and a few minutes ago when he introduced chelsea clinton, he said one of the most accidentally funny things I have ever heard.

798 albusteve  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 7:14:19am

re: #781 Kenneth

Mr. Abbas said the Jewish state appeared intent on waging a war of extermination.

If the Israelis really are trying to wipe out the Palestinians, they're sure not doing a very good job of it! With the most powerful military in the region, after 18 days, all Israel has managed to kill are 985 Palestinians. And why are they bothering to send in their ground troops? If Israel intended to "wipe out" the Palestinians they could do it with bombers and artillery without a single IDF soldier entering the territory.

Heck, it only took the Syrians 2 weeks to slaughter 20,000 civilians when they bombed their own city of Hama.

hysterical hyperbole...these leaders cannot be taken serious...Israel should laugh at him, pat him on the head and walk away....he deserves no attention whatsoever for spewing this tripe

799 Occasional Reader  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 7:14:28am

re: #789 _RememberTonyC

is anyone watching the hillary confirmation hearing?

Has she telekinetically slammed the chamber doors shut yet, and informed the Senate that they will all be sacrificed to Zul?

800 faraway  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 7:14:32am

It's amazing what a little money can do. Chelsea is looking pretty good.

801 Kenneth  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 7:14:43am

re: #771 yochanan

[Video]wonder how deep underground the hamassholes are hiding like rats.

They've dug bunkers under hospitals & schools, so the IDF will have to go in to get them out. They won't so there's a good chance the Hamas leadership will survive.

802 Render  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 7:14:49am

re: #765 DeafDog

Somebody spent money to develop a precision guided dud? That's slick marketing...

===

Actually, the US did that a few years ago with Project Blue Concrete.

2000lb concrete practice bombs are painted blue. Somebody got the wise idea to strap a JDAM guidance package to the big blue rocks. No blast means less collateral damage. Just a ton of concrete whistling down from 10,000 feet. The Air Force claimed they could remove a row house without damaging the ones on either side of it.

===

However, if something like this was used on that cameraman's nephews, then what exactly killed them?

I continue to maintain that the minimal blast damage on that roof was comparable to that of a 40mm grenade.

OUTAHERE,
R

803 OldLineTexan  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 7:14:53am

re: #799 Occasional Reader

Has she telekinetically slammed the chamber doors shut yet, and informed the Senate that they will all be sacrificed to Zul?

Don't I wish.

804 OldLineTexan  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 7:15:23am

re: #800 faraway

It's amazing what a little money can do. Chelsea is looking pretty good.

There's a little Captain Bill in all of us.

805 DeafDog  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 7:15:46am

re: #797 _RememberTonyC

What is this? CNN?

Will it be de shared after the commercial break?

806 loppyd  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 7:15:51am

re: #797 _RememberTonyC

john kerry is chairing the hillary confirmation hearing ... and a few minutes ago when he introduced chelsea clinton, he said one of the most accidentally funny things I have ever heard.


UGH - Now I'm happy I'm not watching.

What did he say?

807 Oh no...Sand People!  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 7:15:59am

re: #782 Occasional Reader

No, it isn't. Didn't you hear the Secretary General?

/

Yup...just checked your post.

/begins self flagellation.

808 nevergiveup  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 7:16:03am

Barak: We respect the UN, but we're continuing with Gaza op
By JPOST.COM STAFF

[Link: www.jpost.com...]

For those of you who don't speak Hebrew, let me translate for you:

UP YOURS!

809 OldLineTexan  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 7:16:08am

re: #801 Kenneth

They've dug bunkers under hospitals & schools, .

What we need are some mutant radioactive badgers.

810 loup-garou  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 7:16:36am

Good Morning Lizard Nation!
i don't know if this was bought up already Radio talker Brian Suits gave LGF a shout out last night on the KENNEDY & SUITS show on KFI 640 AM and brought up that commie doctor from Norway's Mischief.

and yeah his co-host is that MTV's VJ Kennedy from the early 90's. shes pretty rational except for when shes talking about holistic cold median.

811 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 7:16:37am

re: #799 Occasional Reader

Has she telekinetically slammed the chamber doors shut yet, and informed the Senate that they will all be sacrificed to Zul?

Zul was very big in Sumeria.

812 apachegunner  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 7:16:41am

re: #789 _RememberTonyC

is anyone watching the hillary confirmation hearing?


spit

813 Occasional Reader  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 7:16:45am

re: #801 Kenneth

They've dug bunkers under hospitals & schools, so the IDF will have to go in to get them out. They won't so there's a good chance the Hamas leadership will survive.

Tunnel rats... oy vey. Not a job I would wish on any IDF trooper, even if a Golani would laugh it off.

814 WriterMom  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 7:16:52am

re: #800 faraway

Would you do her?

815 _RememberTonyC  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 7:17:04am

when john kerry introduced chelsea, he made some lame joke about offering her the committee's "Internship for a Day." And he kept a straight face! He must have gotten his clintons confused.

816 faraway  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 7:17:42am

re: #814 WriterMom

Would you do her?

ewww

817 loppyd  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 7:17:50am

re: #805 DeafDog

What is this? CNN?

Will it be de shared after the commercial break?

Have you noticed they tease the weather now?

"Will you need to bring your umbrella with you this morning? Stay tuned for the full weather report after the break."

Highly annoying.

818 Occasional Reader  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 7:17:56am

re: #802 Render

Actually, the US did that a few years ago with Project Blue Concrete.

More than a few years... weren't we using this technique in the Balkans back in the Bubba Years?

819 SasquatchOnSteroids  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 7:17:59am

re: #815 _RememberTonyC

when john kerry introduced chelsea, he made some lame joke about offering her the committee's "Internship for a Day." And he kept a straight face! He must have gotten his clintons confused.

Nice !

820 albusteve  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 7:18:02am

re: #801 Kenneth

They've dug bunkers under hospitals & schools, so the IDF will have to go in to get them out. They won't so there's a good chance the Hamas leadership will survive.

gass em out, starve em out, or let em rot where they are...at that point they are not leaders just dead meat...I see no problem here

821 WriterMom  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 7:18:10am

re: #815 _RememberTonyC

Good grief! That's funny. Free knee pads with intern job.

822 loppyd  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 7:18:13am

re: #815 _RememberTonyC

when john kerry introduced chelsea, he made some lame joke about offering her the committee's "Internship for a Day." And he kept a straight face! He must have gotten his clintons confused.

LOL LOL LOL!

823 OldLineTexan  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 7:18:18am

re: #816 faraway

ewww

WM, I think he just said "Maybe with a couple of beers and if none of my buddies would find out."

824 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 7:18:36am

re: #823 OldLineTexan

WM, I think he just said "Maybe with a couple of beers and if none of my buddies would find out."

Like riding a moped.

825 FrogMarch  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 7:18:55am

In Germany (at Nazi rally) - free speech belongs to Hamas - and Hamas alone.

826 OldLineTexan  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 7:19:07am

re: #821 WriterMom

Good grief! That's funny. Free knee pads with intern job.

Now there's a euphemism I hadn't heard before.

/

827 loppyd  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 7:19:09am

Client showed.

BBL

828 WriterMom  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 7:19:11am

re: #816 faraway

LOL. I couldn't resist.

829 realwest  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 7:19:12am

re: #735 Kenneth
I'm doing ok, thanks! One friend's surgery yesterday apparently went well, the other two are .......uh, being cut right about now - or maybe started a little while ago and I'm much more confident of their surgeries than I was about my friend from yesterday!
How's by you? How is "M" doing?

830 [deleted]  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 7:19:25am
831 WriterMom  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 7:20:03am

re: #815 _RememberTonyC

A video clip of that would be HIGHLY AMUSING!

832 albusteve  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 7:20:27am

re: #813 Occasional Reader

Tunnel rats... oy vey. Not a job I would wish on any IDF trooper, even if a Golani would laugh it off.

hire the Aussies...they were damned good at that back in the day....

833 DeafDog  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 7:20:42am

re: #815 _RememberTonyC

when john kerry introduced chelsea, he made some lame joke about offering her the committee's "Internship for a Day." And he kept a straight face! He must have gotten his clintons confused.

Good, but Joe Biden tops that every other comment.

834 Oh no...Sand People!  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 7:20:46am

re: #808 nevergiveup

Barak: We respect the UN, but we're continuing with Gaza op
By JPOST.COM STAFF

[Link: www.jpost.com...]

For those of you who don't speak Hebrew, let me translate for you:

UP YOURS!

Nice.

Now Israel needs to just put on the earmuffs and blinders to drown out and hide the cryings of the MSM and leftists for about...oh... forever.

835 loup-garou  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 7:20:55am

"BreakingNewsOn" reports that Senior adviser to the Syrian President Shaaban tells Sky News that Israel is targeting the Palestinian people and not Hamas.

so does Syria now thinks there is a difference between Hamas and Palestinian's?

836 rumcrook  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 7:21:20am

re: #815 _RememberTonyC

when john kerry introduced chelsea, he made some lame joke about offering her the committee's "Internship for a Day." And he kept a straight face! He must have gotten his clintons confused.

kerry is such a blue blood obtuse fool he probably didnt realize what he said until a staffer came too him and drew the connection for him from what he said to what bill did.

837 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 7:21:52am

re: #815 _RememberTonyC

when john kerry introduced chelsea, he made some lame joke about offering her the committee's "Internship for a Day." And he kept a straight face! He must have gotten his clintons confused.

Kerry will now have to register in Mass as a sex offender.

838 _RememberTonyC  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 7:22:22am

re: #831 WriterMom

A video clip of that would be HIGHLY AMUSING!

WriterMom ... maybe one of our more sophisticated techie lizards can do it ... I am clueless in these matters. Maybe Charles can start a thread with it ... it was really worth seeing.

839 realwest  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 7:22:49am

re: #740 WriterMom
Hi WriterMom - Yea Canada! "Oh Canada, something something something.....something"! ( that was not in jest btw, I just don't know the lyrics except for the Oh Canada part, but felt like singing it anyway!). Do y'all have a link to someone singing it?

840 Oh no...Sand People!  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 7:23:25am

re: #815 _RememberTonyC

when john kerry introduced chelsea, he made some lame joke about offering her the committee's "Internship for a Day." And he kept a straight face! He must have gotten his clintons confused.

Couldn't have made one otherwise after 'teh botox'.

841 nevergiveup  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 7:24:27am

re: #835 loup-garou

"BreakingNewsOn" reports that Senior adviser to the Syrian President Shaaban tells Sky News that Israel is targeting the Palestinian people and not Hamas.

so does Syria now thinks there is a difference between Hamas and Palestinian's?

Also just breaking, and in response to some opposition to official Syrian policy the Town of Hama Syria was wiped of the face to the earth and over 10,000 people were killed.

842 J.S.  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 7:24:43am

re: #781 Kenneth

I believe Abbas is doomed -- he's trying (in a last ditch, desperate attempt) to "talk tough" against Israel -- since there are indications that the support for HAMAS in the West Bank is growing/increasing. (The Pali "culture" is one of violence and it's militarized and it's alien to how people think in the West...it's actually amusing listening to, for example, John Kerry this morning on CNN and hear Kerry saying how America needs "to talk" to the Palis, and do more "diplomacy." What a joke! Like Americans are going to make "in-roads" into a "culture" which honors and rewards murderers and endless warfare...yeah, like "talk" will do sooo much. I think Daniel Pipes in one of his more recent articles summed up the situation -- the West Bank should be handed over to Jordan, and Gaza to Egypt -- let the Arabs deal with the Palis...let the Hama rules rule...)

843 reine.de.tout  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 7:24:45am

OK -
"wishing" was looking for this video yesterday - the link I had for it no longer worked at the time I posted it.

GERMAN "POLICE" JOIN JEW-HATING MUSLIM MOB

Youtube Video
844 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 7:24:46am

re: #801 Kenneth

They've dug bunkers under hospitals & schools, so the IDF will have to go in to get them out. They won't so there's a good chance the Hamas leadership will survive.

Block them except for one exit. Broadcast that civilians will be allowed out; Hamas leaders will be arrested. There is one exit, if it is blown up by one of them, it will be sealed.

Personally, my suggestion would get me banned, so I'll give that one.

845 Kenneth  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 7:24:57am

re: #800 faraway

It's amazing what a little money can do. Chelsea is looking pretty good.

Little early to be drinking, isn't it?

846 _RememberTonyC  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 7:25:00am

Besides being a putz on the internship "joke," it also showed him to be condescending towards chelsea. why does she need an internship with a dope like kerry? She's been in the workforce for years and is doing quite well. kerry is a jerk on so many levels.

847 Occasional Reader  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 7:25:08am

re: #835 loup-garou

so does Syria now thinks there is a difference between Hamas and Palestinian's?

You gotta love it. A few years ago, the line was "Hamas is just a tiny minority of extremists! It's completely illegitimate for Israel to point to them as evidence of why they can't trust the Palestinans."

Then came the "elections", and then the celebratory Fatah defenestrations, and the argument suddenly became, "Hamas represents the will of the Palestinian people! So Israel must deal with them, and [basically] do whatever they say."

Now that Hamas is being pounded into hummus, all of a sudden we're back to "Hamas? They're not the Palestinian people!".

Heads I win, tails you lose, and if it lands on the edge, I win!

848 avanti  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 7:26:43am

re: #800 faraway

It's amazing what a little money can do. Chelsea is looking pretty good.

Someone just does her hair and makeup to look mpre flattering. She does look better then she did as a awkward teenager.

849 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 7:26:52am

Good Morning Lizards! It is Very Bright in the Very Far Western Suburbs of Chicagoland. Piles of virgin snow make excellent reflectors for sunlight.

" Long-distance electrodes shot into the pinion pituitary glands of recent dead. "

Why the "pituitary gland"?

How are you-all this morning and what are we talking about?

850 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 7:27:15am

re: #842 J.S.

I believe Abbas is doomed -- he's trying (in a last ditch, desperate attempt) to "talk tough" against Israel -- since there are indications that the support for HAMAS in the West Bank is growing/increasing. (The Pali "culture" is one of violence and it's militarized and it's alien to how people think in the West...it's actually amusing listening to, for example, John Kerry this morning on CNN and hear Kerry saying how America needs "to talk" to the Palis, and do more "diplomacy." What a joke! Like Americans are going to make "in-roads" into a "culture" which honors and rewards murderers and endless warfare...yeah, like "talk" will do sooo much. I think Daniel Pipes in one of his more recent articles summed up the situation -- the West Bank should be handed over to Jordan, and Gaza to Egypt -- let the Arabs deal with the Palis...let the Hama rules rule...)

And if the Arabs shoot them, like Egypt did, no one cares. If Israel wounds one Paliterrorist while shooting at an active terrorist, the world screams.

851 faraway  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 7:27:27am
A federal judge has ordered the Santa Rosa County School District to stop promoting religion and prayer in the classroom and at school events.

[Link: www.pnj.com...]

I guess Islam will begin filling the void.

852 MJ  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 7:27:36am

Cover of Time Magazine this week:

[Link: www.time.com...]

"With a Star of David behind a wall and barbed wire, it is impossible to ignore the parallel between Israel's actions in Gaza and the Nazi Holocaust - a false association employed by those who seek to delegitimize Israel."

[Link: www.honestreporting.com...]

853 realwest  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 7:27:46am

re: #756 loppyd
Hey good morning {loppyd} Uh, he is at least a half an hour late NOW, what makes you think he's gonna show up at all?!
More importantly, by far, is how are you doing today, goodlooking?!

854 Occasional Reader  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 7:27:49am

re: #843 reine.de.tout

Absolutely sickening. Even if the police tore the flag down to protect the apartment's occupants... what that incident represents is sickening. (And of course, much worse if the police acted with malice aforethought.)

That clip should be on the evening news. But of course it won't be.

855 nevergiveup  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 7:27:51am

German Polizei Confiscate Israeli Flag in Response to Hamas-Supporting Mob's Violence [jdub]
—Open Blog

[Link: ace.mu.nu...]

I can't even make a joke about german police breaking into a Jewish Apartment.

856 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 7:27:58am

re: #846 _RememberTonyC

Besides being a putz on the internship "joke," it also showed him to be condescending towards chelsea. why does she need an internship with a dope like kerry? She's been in the workforce for years and is doing quite well. kerry is a jerk on so many levels.

After that remark, his wife should divorce him. He'll be panhandling lobbyists in ten minutes.

857 lawhawk  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 7:28:51am

re: #802 Render

Forget the little blue pill; that's the big blue pill... /

858 newsjunkie_ky  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 7:28:53am

Good morning you all.
Kosh's Shadow, good one had to ding you up for JFKerry registering as a sex offender.

Real, check you email, the pix you have been wanted to see are there.

859 Digital Display  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 7:29:10am

re: #742 realwest

Ya know, I must be missing something here. According to your link, the Red Chinese are sending two destroyers and a supply ship, headed by a Rear Admiral and yet "This may fundamentally change U.S. maritime strategy in the coming years."?! That I don't understand, at all. China has, iirc, nothing remotely close to the Ticonderoga Class of US Destroyers and Cruisers and nothing to match either our Aircraft Carrier Battle Groups or our nuclear subs (both the boomers and the hunter-killers) and it has virtually bupkis in the way of moving large numbers of troops/armor/supplies around the world if they have to get "wet".
Glad to have China chasing pirates with us, however.


When China invades Taiwan it will be called the million man swim.

860 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 7:29:22am

re: #846 _RememberTonyC

Besides being a putz on the internship "joke," it also showed him to be condescending towards chelsea. why does she need an internship with a dope like kerry? She's been in the workforce for years and is doing quite well. kerry is a jerk on so many levels.

So she can be POTUS on day. . . .

861 nevergiveup  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 7:29:33am

re: #854 Occasional Reader

Absolutely sickening. Even if the police tore the flag down to protect the apartment's occupants... what that incident represents is sickening. (And of course, much worse if the police acted with malice aforethought.)

That clip should be on the evening news. But of course it won't be.

You beat to it. Sickening isn't it.

862 avanti  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 7:29:45am

re: #846 _RememberTonyC

Besides being a putz on the internship "joke," it also showed him to be condescending towards chelsea. why does she need an internship with a dope like kerry? She's been in the workforce for years and is doing quite well. kerry is a jerk on so many levels.

I agree, he treated her like she was a 12 year old at mommies knee, but she's a successful young women.

863 Kenneth  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 7:30:17am

re: #829 realwest

My best wishes to your friends. "M" is coming along. She got a mixed report card, math was still very poor, but her English mark was great. That's a huge improvement over 9 months ago, when all her grades were bad. Her health seems to be improving as well, but these things take time & patience. She & I visited her grandparents during the holidays, which was sweet.

Thank you for asking.

864 nevergiveup  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 7:30:37am

re: #862 avanti

I agree, he treated her like she was a 12 year old at mommies knee, but she's a successful young women.

Well she seems bright enough, but from what I can gather most of her success is due to her last name.

865 newsjunkie_ky  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 7:30:37am

re: #852 MJ

Cover of Time Magazine this week:

[Link: www.time.com...]

"With a Star of David behind a wall and barbed wire, it is impossible to ignore the parallel between Israel's actions in Gaza and the Nazi Holocaust - a false association employed by those who seek to delegitimize Israel."

[Link: www.honestreporting.com...]

WTF? It is definately time for Time to go away.

866 [deleted]  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 7:30:41am
867 apachegunner  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 7:30:53am

is Rham Emanuel still missing? wonder if he will go to the nobama gig.

868 beblebrox  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 7:30:53am

Ya know, I have a problem with chipmunks digging tunnels under my front brick porch. You know how I get rid of them? I filled their tunnels with cement. Just sayin'.

869 lawhawk  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 7:31:21am

re: #852 MJ

Cover of Time Magazine this week:

[Link: www.time.com...]

"With a Star of David behind a wall and barbed wire, it is impossible to ignore the parallel between Israel's actions in Gaza and the Nazi Holocaust - a false association employed by those who seek to delegitimize Israel."

[Link: www.honestreporting.com...]

Interesting cover, but you could actually make a counter argument that it's Israel that has put up the fences and barbed wire - and it's surrounded itself with barbed wire to keep the terrorists out, not to keep the Gazans in - the opposite of what the Time editors likely intended.

Still, a far more accurate cover would have shown Palestinian terrorists attempting to blow up the Egyptian border fence (twice successfully), rocket teams firing on Israel, smuggling tunnels under the Egyptian border, and terrorists with suicide belts preparing to attack Israel.

870 Occasional Reader  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 7:31:27am

re: #859 HoosierHoops

When China invades Taiwan it will be called the million man swim.

I think we would do well not to underestimate China. We have something of a national tradition of underestimating potential adversaries... never a good idea!

871 nevergiveup  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 7:31:38am

re: #865 newsjunkie_ky

WTF? It is definately time for Time to go away.

I get that sent to my Office ( I did not order it and I don't pay for it ). It immediately goes in the trash.

872 albusteve  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 7:31:42am

re: #859 HoosierHoops

When China invades Taiwan it will be called the million man swim.

agreed...it will a massacre of epic proportion

873 faraway  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 7:32:01am

re: #862 avanti

I agree, he treated her like she was a 12 year old at mommies knee, but she's a successful young women.

Chelsea has more power than Kerry

874 Ford_Prefect  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 7:32:01am

Listening to Sean Hannitty on the radio yesterday he was talking about how Obama has been equivocating on the Israel/Gaza situation. Obama says that doesn't think it would be appropriate for him to comment since there can only be one President at a time. Says he doesn't want to send mixed signals. He doesn't seem to understand that by not simply saying that he agrees with the Bush administration's support of Israel that he is in fact sending a very strong message of support for the anti-Israel crowd. I don't blame Israel one bit for hitting as hard and as fast as they can while they have the support of the US, because they have good reason to believe that that support is about to disappear.

875 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 7:32:25am

Drive-time radio this morning did a piece on Hillary's confirmation as SOS. They had to include JFKerry's remarks, as he is heading the "hearings". Anyway, as soon as I heard his voice I turned-off the radio. All I could think was, "Oh Sh!t, I've got to hear this guy for the next 4 years?"

876 [deleted]  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 7:32:28am
877 Leonidas Hoplite  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 7:33:24am

re: #876 Iron Fist

And what an offense! I mean, have you looked at Chelsea? She's got too much of her mother in her to ever be pretty.

Everyone's good looking in the dark.

878 Occasional Reader  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 7:33:34am

re: #868 beblebrox

Ya know, I have a problem with chipmunks digging tunnels under my front brick porch. You know how I get rid of them? I filled their tunnels with cement. Just sayin'.

I condemn the violence on both sides!

Only when you have reached a two-porch solution with the chipmunks will there be lasting peace.

879 realwest  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 7:33:41am

re: #769 Occasional Reader
Thank you! (I wrote my #839 before seeing your post!)!

880 FrogMarch  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 7:33:43am

Yahoo headline:

Clinton vows 'smart mix' of diplomacy and defense

The return of finger-in-the-wind politicking. What ever is good for Clinton, is good for you. MSM will cover while the democrats conjure up rhetorical fence straddling. /no more of that cowboy stuff. Change!

881 albusteve  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 7:34:09am

re: #870 Occasional Reader

I think we would do well not to underestimate China. We have something of a national tradition of underestimating potential adversaries... never a good idea!

any invasion will be telegraphed years in advance...how are they going to get there?...start from scratch

882 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 7:34:29am

re: #868 beblebrox

Ya know, I have a problem with chipmunks digging tunnels under my front brick porch. You know how I get rid of them? I filled their tunnels with cement. Just sayin'.

Maybe you can get the UN to pass a resolution? Oh wait, those chipmonks are just trying to live. You should take down any barricades you have erected and deliver FREE chipmunk-tarian aid.

883 Leonidas Hoplite  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 7:34:46am

re: #881 albusteve

any invasion will be telegraphed years in advance...how are they going to get there?...start from scratch

How hard can it be to build troop transports?

884 faraway  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 7:34:53am

re: #877 Leonidas Hoplite

Everyone's good looking in the dark.

Yea, but then you wake up and there is Helen Thomas.

885 OldLineTexan  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 7:35:28am

re: #872 albusteve

agreed...it will a massacre of epic proportion

China has two geese laying golden eggs...Hong Kong and Taiwan.

886 [deleted]  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 7:35:35am
887 nevergiveup  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 7:35:38am

Alabama NAACP criticizes use of Trail Maids in Inaugural Parade

[Link: www.wsfa.com...]

Well personally I always was attracted to girls with southern accents and red hair.

888 lawhawk  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 7:35:46am

Photographic and video evidence of the German police taking down a lawfully displayed Israeli flag because Hamas loving demonstrators might have taken offense.

889 Leonidas Hoplite  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 7:35:52am

re: #884 faraway

Yea, but then you wake up and there is Helen Thomas.


True

890 OldLineTexan  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 7:35:59am

re: #883 Leonidas Hoplite

How hard can it be to build troop transports?

You mean missile targets?

891 albusteve  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 7:36:14am

re: #883 Leonidas Hoplite

How hard can it be to build troop transports?

that right there is the point....

892 faraway  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 7:36:18am

Smart Power she says.

More like Hillary Power.

893 [deleted]  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 7:36:24am
894 beblebrox  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 7:36:29am

re: #884 faraway

Yea, but then you wake up and there is Helen Thomas.

My Eyes! My Eyes! What have you done to my eyes?!

895 Leonidas Hoplite  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 7:36:45am

re: #890 OldLineTexan

You mean missile targets?


Yes.

896 newsjunkie_ky  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 7:37:03am

re: #871 nevergiveup

I get that sent to my Office ( I did not order it and I don't pay for it ). It immediately goes in the trash.


I see them and newsweak in doctor's offices all the time. bet they don't pay for the subscription either.

897 CIA Reject  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 7:37:03am

re: #839 realwest

Hi WriterMom - Yea Canada! "Oh Canada, something something something.....something"! ( that was not in jest btw, I just don't know the lyrics except for the Oh Canada part, but felt like singing it anyway!). Do y'all have a link to someone singing it?

'Morning Realwest!

Ironic as it may seem one of the best renditions of "O Canada" I've ever heard was done by the Red Army Chorus.

Enjoy!

898 reine.de.tout  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 7:37:05am

re: #854 Occasional Reader

Absolutely sickening. Even if the police tore the flag down to protect the apartment's occupants... what that incident represents is sickening. (And of course, much worse if the police acted with malice aforethought.)

That clip should be on the evening news. But of course it won't be.

I agree with you 100%.
It is frightening that the police are backing down from these mobs.
Have you seen this?
UK Muslim "Peace" Protesters Chase Police Down Street Screaming "Run You F**king Cowards!

899 Occasional Reader  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 7:37:14am

re: #881 albusteve

any invasion will be telegraphed years in advance...how are they going to get there?...start from scratch

The Chinese know how to build stuff.

We would be fools to assume that they will be forever unable to build landing craft, and learn how to use them.

And remember, the Chinese leadership just aren't particularly bothered by the idea of the first wave, or two, or three, being wiped out.

900 Kenneth  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 7:37:19am

re: #842 J.S.

the West Bank should be handed over to Jordan, and Gaza to Egypt -- let the Arabs deal with the Palis...let the Hama rules rule...)

Wasn't that the situation before the 6 Day War? The Egyptians held Gaza, the Jordanians occupied the West Bank and the Syrians had the Golan. They all loved it so much they attacked Israel and lost it all. Hatred & stupidity goes hand in hand.

As I recall, in the fall of 2007, diplomats pretended to have great optimism over the Annapolis Accords which promised to bring peace and a 2 state solution to the "Palestinian problem". Critics of the accord worried it would be another trick to destroy either Israel or the Palestinians, depending on which side the critics sat. I said at the time, nothing would come of it because in a little more than a year's time, none of the 3 principle leaders, Bush, Abbas or Olmert, would still be in office, and their successors would have no interest in holding to the agreements.

Well... here we are.

901 OldLineTexan  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 7:37:24am

re: #888 lawhawk

Photographic and video evidence of the German police taking down a lawfully displayed Israeli flag because Hamas loving demonstrators might have taken offense.

The zombie photo of the San Fran police stopping an anti-Hamas demonstrator was the same idea, but more disturbing to me since it was in the United States. OK, close to the United States.

902 JCM  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 7:37:36am

Cock-a-doodle-do!

Morning Lizardom!

903 realwest  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 7:37:52am

re: #789 _RememberTonyC
Nope, Mom is watching it, but I still don't understand - Obama isn't President yet and they are voting to confirm his cabinet posts?! When will Hillary take office, January 17th or something?!

904 FrogMarch  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 7:38:06am

Does Obama really want to shove the Clinton's above-the-law corruption in our faces again?

The overlap of names on former President Bill Clinton's foundation donor list and business interests whose issues she championed raises new questions about potential ethics conflicts between her official actions and her husband's fundraising. The AP obtained three of the senator's government letters under the Freedom of Information Act.

905 reine.de.tout  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 7:38:06am

re: #902 JCM

Cock-a-doodle-do!

Morning Lizardom!

SAVE THE GAZA CHICKEN!

906 [deleted]  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 7:38:12am
907 Occasional Reader  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 7:38:30am

re: #898 reine.de.tout

Have you seen this?

Yep, yesterday.

Arm the UK police NOW.

908 Leonidas Hoplite  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 7:38:41am

re: #899 Occasional Reader

The Chinese know how to build stuff.

We would be fools to assume that they will be forever unable to build landing craft, and learn how to use them.

And remember, the Chinese leadership just aren't particularly bothered by the idea of the first wave, or two, or three, being wiped out.

Not too mention that with 4-8 years of Obama, our naval capabilities are guaranteed to decline.

909 albusteve  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 7:38:59am

re: #899 Occasional Reader

The Chinese know how to build stuff.

We would be fools to assume that they will be forever unable to build landing craft, and learn how to use them.

And remember, the Chinese leadership just aren't particularly bothered by the idea of the first wave, or two, or three, being wiped out.

and you think Taiwan would sit back and allow this to proceed?....it would be a preemptive slaughter....

910 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 7:39:46am

re: #899 Occasional Reader

The Chinese know how to build stuff.

We would be fools to assume that they will be forever unable to build landing craft, and learn how to use them.

And remember, the Chinese leadership just aren't particularly bothered by the idea of the first wave, or two, or three, being wiped out.

IIRC, China is on the "30-Year Thread" list. I think China is a huge threat and something that needs to be taken seriously. What do you do with millions of young men, without women, when you don't particularly care about the lives of the young men? Even if the Chinese government doesn't have long-term plans to use those young men, young men are restless, without women they can be very, very dangerous--uncontrollable.

911 Leonidas Hoplite  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 7:40:11am

re: #909 albusteve

and you think Taiwan would sit back and allow this to proceed?....it would be a preemptive slaughter....

I don't think the Taiwanese military strikes fear in the heart of anyone, much less the PRC.

912 nevergiveup  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 7:40:16am

re: #908 Leonidas Hoplite

Not too mention that with 4-8 years of Obama, our naval capabilities are guaranteed to decline.

Well under Obama, the question has to be asked --- would the USA go to WAR to defend Taiwan? Would even Bush have?

913 [deleted]  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 7:40:20am
914 faraway  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 7:40:45am

Do the Funky Chicken

915 Leonidas Hoplite  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 7:41:07am

re: #910 ggt

IIRC, China is on the "30-Year Thread" list. I think China is a huge threat and something that needs to be taken seriously. What do you do with millions of young men, without women, when you don't particularly care about the lives of the young men? Even if the Chinese government doesn't have long-term plans to use those young men, young men are restless, without women they can be very, very dangerous--uncontrollable.


That's right, plenty of fodder for infantry divisions.

916 faraway  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 7:41:29am

re: #908 Leonidas Hoplite

Not too mention that with 4-8 years of Obama, our naval capabilities are guaranteed to decline.

Obama will be doing a lot of diddling with his naval.

917 DeafDog  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 7:41:55am

re: #874 Ford_Prefect

Listening to Sean Hannitty on the radio yesterday he was talking about how Obama has been equivocating on the Israel/Gaza situation. Obama says that doesn't think it would be appropriate for him to comment since there can only be one President at a time. Says he doesn't want to send mixed signals. He doesn't seem to understand that by not simply saying that he agrees with the Bush administration's support of Israel that he is in fact sending a very strong message of support for the anti-Israel crowd. I don't blame Israel one bit for hitting as hard and as fast as they can while they have the support of the US, because they have good reason to believe that that support is about to disappear.

This is very correct. Because BHO is doing this Kabuki Dance, Hamas is holding out for a better deal under Obama.

If BHO wants to minimize loss of life, he would say that this is an area where US policy will not change. We support Israel.

Obviously, he's after something different than that. The question is what?

Obama will at least give lip service to Isreal as POTUS. If he comes out strongly for Israel after the election, then this delay was a sinister move to maximize the damage done to Hamas. If he comes out not so strongly for Israel, than Obama will get a nice little extended honeymoon with the left, but we will be back to where we started in 9 months.

918 VegasRick  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 7:41:55am

re: #898 reine.de.tout

I agree with you 100%.
It is frightening that the police are backing down from these mobs.
Have you seen this?
UK Muslim "Peace" Protesters Chase Police Down Street Screaming "Run You F**king Cowards!

OMG! The UK is screwed.

919 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 7:41:56am

re: #915 Leonidas Hoplite

That's right, plenty of fodder for infantry divisions.

Or fodder for conversion to a religion that promises 72 raisins in heaven?

920 reine.de.tout  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 7:42:06am

re: #855 nevergiveup

German Polizei Confiscate Israeli Flag in Response to Hamas-Supporting Mob's Violence [jdub]
—Open Blog

[Link: ace.mu.nu...]

I can't even make a joke about german police breaking into a Jewish Apartment.

Here's video to go with that.

921 Leonidas Hoplite  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 7:42:28am

re: #912 nevergiveup

Well under Obama, the question has to be asked --- would the USA go to WAR to defend Taiwan? Would even Bush have?


Obama will not go to war for Taiwan. Not sure what Bush would have done, but its irrelevant.

922 [deleted]  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 7:42:49am
923 Occasional Reader  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 7:42:56am

re: #909 albusteve

and you think Taiwan would sit back and allow this to proceed?....it would be a preemptive slaughter....

Sit back and allow what to proceed? A Chinese naval buildup? It's already happening. What can Taiwan do about it?

I am not saying Red China is "unstoppable", or anything like that. But the days of assuming that they are technologically incapable are over, and we'd do well to prepare accordingly (and Taiwan, too). Like I said, we have a history of underestimating our opponents (see, e.g., "don't worry, Japanese soldiers are all nearsighted and can't shoot straight".)

924 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 7:43:10am

re: #918 VegasRick

OMG! The UK is screwed.

Think about it. One or more of the he peace protesters probably had an illegal gun. The Police in the UK don't carry.

925 albusteve  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 7:43:17am

re: #911 Leonidas Hoplite

I don't think the Taiwanese military strikes fear in the heart of anyone, much less the PRC.

well that would be underestimating the enemy....and dont discount US/S Korean/Russian involvement...

926 realwest  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 7:43:20am

re: #845 Kenneth
Hey! It's gotta be after 5:00PM somewhere in the world!
/

927 opnion  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 7:43:42am

re: #844 Kosh's Shadow

Block them except for one exit. Broadcast that civilians will be allowed out; Hamas leaders will be arrested. There is one exit, if it is blown up by one of them, it will be sealed.

Personally, my suggestion would get me banned, so I'll give that one.


Can ya just say it in Esperanto?

928 jaunte  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 7:43:53am

No one at Time Magazine locks their doors or has a security system, because they have so much love for their fellow man.
/

929 reine.de.tout  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 7:43:54am

re: #918 VegasRick

OMG! The UK is screwed.

Would love to see a thread about the police backing down from the Hamas mobs here and elsewhere in the world.

930 Kenneth  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 7:44:08am

A truly horrible rendition of O Canada as sung by Geddy Lee

931 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 7:44:35am

re: #926 realwest

Hey! It's gotta be after 5:00PM somewhere in the world!
/

hey RW! I'm here and it is before noon in my part of the world! How ya' doin'?

932 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 7:44:50am

re: #870 Occasional Reader

I think we would do well not to underestimate China. We have something of a national tradition of underestimating potential adversaries... never a good idea!

Back in the 1970's, when the Soviet Union and China had some border skirmishes, there was a joke.
China and USSR go to war.
The first day, the USSR captures 1 million Chinese
The second day, they capture 2 million
The third day, they capture 3 million. The Chinese ask the USSR "Do you surrender yet?"

933 Occasional Reader  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 7:44:51am

re: #922 Iron Fist

The Chinese are very old school when it comes to losing large quantities of people.

"We want to take this objective.

We have a 'surplus' population of young males.

Talk about serendipity!"

934 Digital Display  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 7:45:26am

re: #870 Occasional Reader

I think we would do well not to underestimate China. We have something of a national tradition of underestimating potential adversaries... never a good idea!


You didn't really think i was serious do you OR?
/

935 reine.de.tout  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 7:45:39am

re: #929 reine.de.tout

Would love to see a thread about the police backing down from the Hamas mobs here and elsewhere in the world.

I mean, we're finding these stories all over the place at different blogs, and it would be nice to have all that info collected here in one thread.

936 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 7:45:45am

re: #882 ggt

Maybe you can get the UN to pass a resolution? Oh wait, those chipmonks are just trying to live. You should take down any barricades you have erected and deliver FREE chipmunk-tarian aid.

Besides, the chipmunks are just trying to live. Now, if they start lobbing acorns at you, that is a different matter.
/

937 JCM  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 7:45:47am

re: #905 reine.de.tout

SAVE THE GAZA CHICKEN!


Don't Bet Money on the Gaza Chicken!

De Gaza chicken, when you put him in de pit,
He'll eat a loaf of bread up, but he can't fight a bit
De Gaza fiddle is a funny little thing
And ebry time you tune him up he goes boom ping.

cho: Oh! de Gaz-ah!
Don't bet your money on de Gaza,
Take de little chicken in de middle ob de ring
But don't bet your money on de Gaza.


I go to de fair for to see de funny fowls
De double headed pigeon an de one eyed owls
De old lame goose wid no web between his toes
He kills himself a laughing when de Gaza crows.


De Gaza's tall but his appetite is small
He'll only swallow ebry thing that he can overhaul
Four bags of wheat just as certain as your born
A bushel of potatoes and a tub full of corn.

Sincere apologize to Stephen Foster.

938 realwest  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 7:45:52am

re: #858 newsjunkie_ky
OK, thanks news! Hope you're well today!

939 avanti  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 7:46:17am

The American Family Organization is a example of a socially far right group that often is off the chart in their culture war. The dust up over Cambell's soup is a example to me. It's a given that gays eat soup and Cambell's would like it to be their soup. To sell more soup, they place ad's in gay magazines.
From that, the AFA not only wants it's minions to boycott the company, but to get their schools to refuse to accept money from Campell's labels or schools program. To me, that just makes them look petty, and msguided.
link

940 jorline  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 7:46:18am

re: #898 reine.de.tout

I agree with you 100%.
It is frightening that the police are backing down from these mobs.
Have you seen this?
UK Muslim "Peace" Protesters Chase Police Down Street Screaming "Run You F**king Cowards!

Good morning, reine.

It's apparent that the mentally challenged are in control of the asylum.

God save more than the Queen.

ding

941 reine.de.tout  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 7:46:26am

re: #935 reine.de.tout

I mean, we're finding these stories all over the place at different blogs, and it would be nice to have all that info collected here in one thread.

Not that I'm trying to tell Charles what to post.

942 albusteve  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 7:46:37am

re: #923 Occasional Reader

Sit back and allow what to proceed? A Chinese naval buildup? It's already happening. What can Taiwan do about it?

I am not saying Red China is "unstoppable", or anything like that. But the days of assuming that they are technologically incapable are over, and we'd do well to prepare accordingly (and Taiwan, too). Like I said, we have a history of underestimating our opponents (see, e.g., "don't worry, Japanese soldiers are all nearsighted and can't shoot straight".)

I'm not talking technology....they have not had the will to devise a plan to move troops to Taiwan....certainly not insurmountable but a huge logistical problem...I do not see the US sitting that one out....

943 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 7:46:38am

re: #927 opnion

Can ya just say it in Esperanto?

I'd have to ask an old college friend, who is big into Esperanto. Or maybe Soros knows it.

944 VegasRick  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 7:46:39am

re: #924 ggt

Think about it. One or more of the he peace protesters probably had an illegal gun. The Police in the UK don't carry.

No shit. I am truly shocked by that video. If I were one of those officers I would be in jail today because I would have kicked the living shit out of the one loudmouth that kept yelling "fucking cowards".

945 Leonidas Hoplite  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 7:46:40am

re: #925 albusteve

well that would be underestimating the enemy....and dont discount US/S Korean/Russian involvement...


I don't discount our own involvement but am skeptical that our capabilities will expand in the foreseeable future. South Korea is more concerned about North Korea than they are anyone else. Russia? Perhaps but let's face it, Russia is in demographic decline as well and may end up ceding all of their eastern provinces to China anyway.

946 reine.de.tout  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 7:46:55am

re: #940 jorline

Good morning, reine.

It's apparent that the mentally challenged are in control of the asylum.

God save more than the Queen.

ding

Yes.
God save us all.

947 bloodnok  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 7:47:03am

re: #930 Kenneth

A truly horrible rendition of O Canada as sung by Geddy Lee

Oh, no! Not a "How do you feel about Rush" thread! Those can get as ugly as ID threads!
/

948 DeafDog  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 7:47:03am

re: #892 faraway

Smart Power she says.

More like Hillary Power.

Like the time she took out the rat's nest as she was landing under sniper fire in Bosnia?

949 Leonidas Hoplite  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 7:47:04am

re: #930 Kenneth

A truly horrible rendition of O Canada as sung by Geddy Lee

Impossible.

950 faraway  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 7:47:17am

When China takes over Taiwan (this year?) the media will have a 20 second video showing the atrocities done by the Tawainese and that will be that.

951 nevergiveup  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 7:47:41am

re: #923 Occasional Reader

Sit back and allow what to proceed? A Chinese naval buildup? It's already happening. What can Taiwan do about it?

I am not saying Red China is "unstoppable", or anything like that. But the days of assuming that they are technologically incapable are over, and we'd do well to prepare accordingly (and Taiwan, too). Like I said, we have a history of underestimating our opponents (see, e.g., "don't worry, Japanese soldiers are all nearsighted and can't shoot straight".)

The Chinese are building both ultra quite diesel attack subs to hunt our fleet neat Taiwan. They are also building their versions of Boomer's and Aircraft Carriers. Whether that is to invade Taiwan or only to become a counter to US Power in the Pacific remains to be seen. It never helped that Clinton gave them alot of technology and they stole alot of the rest.

952 [deleted]  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 7:47:56am
953 CIA Reject  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 7:48:25am

re: #921 Leonidas Hoplite

re: #922 Iron Fist

re: #923 Occasional Reader

IMHO the only way to deal with the threat from China (which,BTW, is HUGE) is to re-kindle the old Sino-Soviet rift.

954 _RememberTonyC  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 7:48:35am

i hope i don't get booed for saying this, but hillary made a big deal about women's rights around the world and how the USA would be a big advocate. if she means what i think she means, she is pointing towards islam with that remark. she also said something negative about what the world was allowing in darfur. and we know who is behind the murder, rape, and mayhem there.

955 Ayatollah Ghilmeini  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 7:48:45am

re: #899 Occasional Reader

And the US military know how to destroy stuff!

Folks, the Chinese military is becoming a more formidable force; they are no where near where the US is and they have a fraction of the capability. Their naval, air and land forces use equipment that the US would not have used in the 80s. The do benefit from US technology and R&D which they steal or knock off but, at the end of the day they are geostrategically weak, with potential enemies on all sides except the Pacific Ocean.

The US and China have good relations and I expect that trend to continue for a very long time. We are perfect organic allies with trade and interlocking interests and, believe it or not, they remember all we did for them in WWII.

956 jorline  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 7:49:55am

re: #946 reine.de.tout

Yes.
God save us all.

but...but...it's incumbent upon us to talk and understand.

ROPMA

957 Occasional Reader  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 7:50:15am

re: #942 albusteve

I'm not talking technology....they have not had the will to devise a plan to move troops to Taiwan....certainly not insurmountable but a huge logistical problem...I do not see the US sitting that one out....

I don't think there will be a Chinese invasion of Taiwan any time soon mostly because it's not in China's interest to do so.

But if they decided to do so... can you be so sure that, say, an Obama administration would be willing to go to the mat over Taiwan?

And yes, Taiwan is well armed and prepared to punch above its weight; but China could shower missiles onto Taiwan, and basically ask their population "how long are you willing to keep this up?".

958 [deleted]  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 7:50:40am
959 Oh no...Sand People!  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 7:50:45am

re: #910 ggt

IIRC, China is on the "30-Year Thread" list. I think China is a huge threat and something that needs to be taken seriously. What do you do with millions of young men, without women, when you don't particularly care about the lives of the young men? Even if the Chinese government doesn't have long-term plans to use those young men, young men are restless, without women they can be very, very dangerous--uncontrollable.

That last guesstimate I have heard is that 'youths' outnumber ladies by oh... 40 MILLION.

960 nevergiveup  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 7:50:45am

re: #955 Ayatollah Ghilmeini

And the US military know how to destroy stuff!

Folks, the Chinese military is becoming a more formidable force; they are no where near where the US is and they have a fraction of the capability. Their naval, air and land forces use equipment that the US would not have used in the 80s. The do benefit from US technology and R&D which they steal or knock off but, at the end of the day they are geostrategically weak, with potential enemies on all sides except the Pacific Ocean.

The US and China have good relations and I expect that trend to continue for a very long time. We are perfect organic allies with trade and interlocking interests and, believe it or not, they remember all we did for them in WWII.

I agree with most of your analysis, but with a weak President in the White House, they just might be able to walk into Taiwan.

961 DeafDog  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 7:50:49am

re: #932 Kosh's Shadow

Back in the 1970's, when the Soviet Union and China had some border skirmishes, there was a joke.
China and USSR go to war.
The first day, the USSR captures 1 million Chinese
The second day, they capture 2 million
The third day, they capture 3 million. The Chinese ask the USSR "Do you surrender yet?"

There is a story about Chinese leader Deng Xiaoping, who visited the United States in 1979. He met President Carter, who had been in frustrating negotiations with the Russians about the right of Russian Jews to emigrate. Carter began speaking to Deng. The world's door was opening to China, Carter said, but China, like Russia, would have to observe the fundamental human right to emigrate.

Deng looked up, surprised. "How many do you want?" he said.

That's not my point, Carter said —

"I can give you ten million. You want twenty? Thirty?"

962 realwest  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 7:51:10am

re: #863 Kenneth I'm so glad to hear that great news Kenneth - thanks for a good and happy answer!

963 avanti  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 7:51:27am

re: #903 realwest

Nope, Mom is watching it, but I still don't understand - Obama isn't President yet and they are voting to confirm his cabinet posts?! When will Hillary take office, January 17th or something?!

Confirmation hearings always start before the new President takes office so they'll be in place on day one. They only have a week.

964 Leonidas Hoplite  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 7:51:36am

re: #958 Iron Fist

Clinton only let them get tech on intecontinental ballistic missiles and W-88 warheads. That's not shit that can come back and bite us in the ass, is it?


Not as long as we deploy a missile shield. Oh, wait, who's being inaugurated next week?

965 nevergiveup  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 7:52:05am

re: #958 Iron Fist

Clinton only let them get tech on intecontinental ballistic missiles and W-88 warheads. That's not shit that can come back and bite us in the ass, is it?

Apparently Clinton and his team of whiz kids didn't think so?

966 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 7:52:06am

Ever check-out A Policeman's blog?

Accounts of UK police -enough to make you run screaming in the night.

967 faraway  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 7:52:08am

re: #954 _RememberTonyC

i hope i don't get booed for saying this, but hillary made a big deal about women's rights around the world and how the USA would be a big advocate. if she means what i think she means, she is pointing towards islam with that remark. she also said something negative about what the world was allowing in darfur. and we know who is behind the murder, rape, and mayhem there.

She doesnt mean anything. She is just spewing crap.

968 VegasRick  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 7:52:13am

re: #954 _RememberTonyC

i hope i don't get booed for saying this, but hillary made a big deal about women's rights around the world and how the USA would be a big advocate. if she means what i think she means, she is pointing towards islam with that remark. she also said something negative about what the world was allowing in darfur. and we know who is behind the murder, rape, and mayhem there.

I don't think you will get booed, I think we are all hoping that these folks do the right thing, even though I didn't vote for this crew they are in power.

969 phoenixgirl  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 7:52:14am

re: #959 Oh no...Sand People!

That last guesstimate I have heard is that 'youths' outnumber ladies by oh... 40 MILLION.

that means there are 40 "one in a million" males there!

970 realwest  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 7:52:29am

re: #865 newsjunkie_ky
Hey! The Izzanator is really cute - will write later on!

971 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 7:52:39am

re: #936 Kosh's Shadow

Besides, the chipmunks are just trying to live. Now, if they start lobbing acorns at you, that is a different matter.
/

How? It's not like the UN will support you in any efforts to protect yourself?

972 Leonidas Hoplite  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 7:52:48am

re: #959 Oh no...Sand People!

That last guesstimate I have heard is that 'youths' outnumber ladies by oh... 40 MILLION.

That's a sh!tload of cannon fodder. 40 million boys/men with no hope of a wife/family? Frightening.

973 Guanxi88  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 7:52:52am

re: #955 Ayatollah Ghilmeini

And the US military know how to destroy stuff!

The US and China have good relations and I expect that trend to continue for a very long time. We are perfect organic allies with trade and interlocking interests and, believe it or not, they remember all we did for them in WWII.

Hope you're right. This new "Socialism with Chinese Characteristics" that the Party has been pushing for some time now has really worked for them. Pretty much one-party authoritarian rule, with free(ish) market activity hither, thither, and yon. Our trade interests interlock too tightly for them to rock the boat. The effect of any disruption in the trade between us would be an economic and SOCIAL disaster for China, as tens of millions of unmarried, out-of-work guys would be stuck in the cities with nowhere to go and nothing to eat.

974 albusteve  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 7:52:58am

re: #945 Leonidas Hoplite

I don't discount our own involvement but am skeptical that our capabilities will expand in the foreseeable future. South Korea is more concerned about North Korea than they are anyone else. Russia? Perhaps but let's face it, Russia is in demographic decline as well and may end up ceding all of their eastern provinces to China anyway.

yes...alot of speculation...seizing Taiwan is problematic...if it happens it wont be for years and much can change geopolitically...I dont think it will happen without a monster fight...not dissimilar to the situation Israel faces....China may not decide it's worth the cost...of course they have all the time in the world too...

975 phoenixgirl  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 7:53:04am

looks like it's heating up again on the gaza cam

976 [deleted]  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 7:53:05am
977 newsjunkie_ky  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 7:53:27am

re: #938 realwest

OK, thanks news! Hope you're well today!

Doing good Real, just trying to keep warm.
How are your friends?

978 JCM  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 7:53:45am

re: #955 Ayatollah Ghilmeini

And the US military know how to destroy stuff!

Folks, the Chinese military is becoming a more formidable force; they are no where near where the US is and they have a fraction of the capability. Their naval, air and land forces use equipment that the US would not have used in the 80s. The do benefit from US technology and R&D which they steal or knock off but, at the end of the day they are geostrategically weak, with potential enemies on all sides except the Pacific Ocean.

The US and China have good relations and I expect that trend to continue for a very long time. We are perfect organic allies with trade and interlocking interests and, believe it or not, they remember all we did for them in WWII.

I hate commies.
I don't trust commies.
Liberal trade policies only enrich the party, and fund their build up, increase the time the Chinese people spend in slavery.
What we call "middle earth" in regards to China the Chinese think of as "the center of the world" it is there divine right to be the economic and political center of the world. They will use force when it suits them, they are building up for it, and we're paying for it.

979 Silhouette  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 7:54:12am

re: #959 Oh no...Sand People!

That last guesstimate I have heard is that 'youths' outnumber ladies by oh... 40 MILLION.

And we have all their women.

/last 20 years of adoptions

980 VegasRick  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 7:54:48am

re: #975 phoenixgirl

looks like it's heating up again on the gaza cam

Can you post the link please.

981 OldLineTexan  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 7:54:56am

re: #974 albusteve

yes...alot of speculation...seizing Taiwan is problematic...if it happens it wont be for years and much can change geopolitically...I dont think it will happen without a monster fight...not dissimilar to the situation Israel faces....China may not decide it's worth the cost...of course they have all the time in the world too...

The Chinese are patient.

Their plans are in generations, not in terms of four years (or ten, Barry).

982 Occasional Reader  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 7:54:56am

re: #954 _RememberTonyC

i hope i don't get booed for saying this, but hillary made a big deal about women's rights around the world and how the USA would be a big advocate. if she means what i think she means, she is pointing towards islam with that remark. she also said something negative about what the world was allowing in darfur. and we know who is behind the murder, rape, and mayhem there.

I wish for the best. I really do. But I suspect this is just the classic liberal "let's show we care" stuff.

983 Leonidas Hoplite  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 7:54:59am

re: #973 Guanxi88

Hope you're right. This new "Socialism with Chinese Characteristics" that the Party has been pushing for some time now has really worked for them. Pretty much one-party authoritarian rule, with free(ish) market activity hither, thither, and yon. Our trade interests interlock too tightly for them to rock the boat. The effect of any disruption in the trade between us would be an economic and SOCIAL disaster for China, as tens of millions of unmarried, out-of-work guys would be stuck in the cities with nowhere to go and nothing to eat.

This is already beginning. As we slide into a deep recession, demand for Chinese-made goods will fall.

984 [deleted]  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 7:55:06am
985 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 7:55:08am

re: #959 Oh no...Sand People!

That last guesstimate I have heard is that 'youths' outnumber ladies by oh... 40 MILLION.

in a country where homosexuality is illegal.

Scary, scary, scary.

986 newsjunkie_ky  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 7:55:33am

re: #970 realwest

Hey! The Izzanator is really cute - will write later on!

Thanks, She is a dollbaby.
Sent her picture to Killian to resize for me so I can post as my avatar.

987 faraway  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 7:55:36am

Commie kerry is asking good questions

988 phoenixgirl  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 7:56:20am

re: #980 VegasRick

gaza cam reprise thread......from yesterday

989 DeafDog  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 7:56:44am

re: #954 _RememberTonyC

i hope i don't get booed for saying this, but hillary made a big deal about women's rights around the world and how the USA would be a big advocate. if she means what i think she means, she is pointing towards islam with that remark. she also said something negative about what the world was allowing in darfur. and we know who is behind the murder, rape, and mayhem there.

I call this "bullsh-t." She talks a big game, but what's her record. What happned under WJC in Afghanastan, or Somalia, or China, or Rowanda?

Sure, if something good happens, she will take credit. But when the going gets tough, you can bet your bottom dollar that Obama/Clinton will back down every time. Just like WJC.

990 lawhawk  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 7:56:46am

re: #981 OldLineTexan

The Chinese are patient.

Their plans are in generations, not in terms of four years (or ten, Barry).

So are the Islamists. Their idea of jihad and war isn't six days, six months, or even six years. It's generational, and they start the indoctrinations early (not even out of the crib).

991 VegasRick  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 7:56:47am

re: #988 phoenixgirl

gaza cam reprise thread......from yesterday

Thanks.

992 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 7:56:50am

re: #979 Silhouette

And we have all their women.

/last 20 years of adoptions

yep.

993 Occasional Reader  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 7:56:52am

re: #981 OldLineTexan

The Chinese are patient.

Their plans are in generations, not in terms of four years (or ten, Barry).

The famous quote from Deng Xiaoping when asked what he thought about the French Revolution's results: "I think it's too early to say."

994 [deleted]  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 7:57:43am
995 Guanxi88  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 7:58:05am

re: #983 Leonidas Hoplite

This is already beginning. As we slide into a deep recession, demand for Chinese-made goods will fall.

And the Party is in a state of near-panic. You think we had a bubble here? You think Phoenix real estate was priced out of all proportion? You should see what Shanghai prices have done in the past decade.

They've gone on a spending spree that makes ours look like a ten year old with his allowance; they are desperate to do anything and everything they can to keep the growth going.

996 realwest  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 7:58:23am

re: #911 Leonidas Hoplite
Methinks you are wrong there - Taiwan's military was build and designed from the ground up to defend against an assault from the Mainland - aside from already having a technologically better air force, the Red Chinese would have a hell of a time landing troops on Taiwan - it'd make D- Day look like a stroll in the park.

997 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 7:58:28am

re: #994 Iron Fist

God knows we didn't see women's rights take center stage when her husband was President. I see no real reason to believe that the Obama Administration won't do more of the same.

Hillary ain't no Michelle! I think Michelle is stronger.

998 Occasional Reader  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 7:58:42am

re: #979 Silhouette

And we have all their women.

/last 20 years of adoptions

Heh. We have potent weapons against both Eurasian giants: We can threaten the Chinese that we'll adopt all their girls, and threaten the Russians that we'll mail-order all their women!

999 albusteve  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 7:58:51am

re: #957 Occasional Reader

I don't think there will be a Chinese invasion of Taiwan any time soon mostly because it's not in China's interest to do so.

But if they decided to do so... can you be so sure that, say, an Obama administration would be willing to go to the mat over Taiwan?

And yes, Taiwan is well armed and prepared to punch above its weight; but China could shower missiles onto Taiwan, and basically ask their population "how long are you willing to keep this up?".

that scenario is highly unlikely...missles fly both directions

1000 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 7:58:55am

re: #971 ggt

How? It's not like the UN will support you in any efforts to protect yourself?

Our chipmunks are kept in control by the neighborhood cats.
At least, the cats keep them quiet enough; I haven't had to put up with them singing.
What happened to Alvin?

1001 The Other Les  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 7:59:18am

At least Charles isn't quoting from GALAXY 666 by Pel Toro:

Having become acclimatized to the pink-tinged light, which gave everywhere a strangely roseate appearance, and which had the effect of lulling their senses into a rather dreamy false security, the four explorers looked down at the ground beneath their feet. The ground beneath their feet was a very odd sort of terrain - - though “terrain” is not, strictly speaking, the kind of word that ought to be used to describe the ground of a planet that was not earth. Like so many of the old earth words, it has crept into the vocabulary of the empire. So they examined the terrain.

1002 faraway  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 7:59:23am

Corker is positioning for Pres run in 2012

1003 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 8:00:00am

re: #1000 Kosh's Shadow

Our chipmunks are kept in control by the neighborhood cats.
At least, the cats keep them quiet enough; I haven't had to put up with them singing.
What happened to Alvin?

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAlvin?

hmmm, good question. Maybe the Rooster ™ got him.

1004 Occasional Reader  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 8:00:01am

re: #994 Iron Fist

God knows we didn't see women's rights take center stage when her husband was President.

Are you kidding? Womens' affairs were a constant concern in Clinton's Oval Office.

Well, affairs with women... something like that.

1005 Kenneth  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 8:00:14am

re: #993 Occasional Reader

The famous quote from Deng Xiaoping when asked what he thought about the French Revolution's results: "I think it's too early to say."

That was Zhou Enlai who said that.

1006 avanti  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 8:00:20am

re: #968 VegasRick

I don't think you will get booed, I think we are all hoping that these folks do the right thing, even though I didn't vote for this crew they are in power.

Like Rice, just having a women in that position, screws with the Arab leaders. If their women can't even sit in the same room with men or travel alone, the image of a American female standing toe to toe with their rulers is a mind f**k to their population.

1007 Silhouette  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 8:00:25am

re: #1000 Kosh's Shadow

What happened to Alvin?

Where are they now?, tonight on E! Hollywood Story.

1008 wrenchwench  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 8:00:44am

Second headline at azcentral.com/news:

Clinton vows stategy of 'smart power'
Wants stronger U.S. partnerships around world.

At last! No more of that bushitler "strategery!"

1009 Ayatollah Ghilmeini  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 8:00:55am

re: #984 Iron Fist

Yes but Hitler thought he could take Russia, with pretty good reason. The Chicoms are under no such illusions. Totalitarian leaders start wars to deflect domestic unhappiness, that is the only reason China and the US would got to war. We could never conquer them and they could never conquer us, so what would the point of a war be anyhow. That leaves the only real possible flashpoint, Taiwan. China has not, to date, been able to make the risk-reward equation work on this yet. With huge inter-investment and financial holdings between mainland and Taiwan, war again make no sense.

1010 jcm  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 8:01:21am

re: #996 realwest

Methinks you are wrong there - Taiwan's military was build and designed from the ground up to defend against an assault from the Mainland - aside from already having a technologically better air force, the Red Chinese would have a hell of a time landing troops on Taiwan - it'd make D- Day look like a stroll in the park.

China still has no sea-lift or airlift capacity to speak of. Their navy while it has aspirations is a littoral navy not blue water. Their ground forces are something to think about only because of the shear weight of numbers.

Right now they are not a problem. But we need to keep an eye on them, and structure our forces accordingly.

1011 CIA Reject  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 8:01:27am

re: #961 DeafDog

There is a story about Chinese leader Deng Xiaoping, who visited the United States in 1979. He met President Carter, who had been in frustrating negotiations with the Russians about the right of Russian Jews to emigrate. Carter began speaking to Deng. The world's door was opening to China, Carter said, but China, like Russia, would have to observe the fundamental human right to emigrate.

Deng looked up, surprised. "How many do you want?" he said.

That's not my point, Carter said —

"I can give you ten million. You want twenty? Thirty?"

Old joke about the difference between Russian and Chinese intelligence services:

"If the Russians want to steal a bucket of sand they surface a submarine off Pismo Beach at midnight on the dark of the moon, send a commando team ashore in a rubber boat, dig up the sand, return to the sub and leave.

If the Chinese want to steal a bucket of sand they send ten million tourists to Pismo Beach and each one takes a grain back with him."

1012 Occasional Reader  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 8:01:31am

re: #1005 Kenneth

That was Zhou Enlai who said that.

Oh, they all look alike...

///

1013 Silhouette  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 8:01:36am

re: #1006 avanti

Like Rice, just having a women in that position, screws with the Arab leaders.

The only good thing about the Hillary appointment, and Albright before them. I like making them deal with our women

1014 OldLineTexan  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 8:01:43am

re: #995 Guanxi88

And the Party is in a state of near-panic. You think we had a bubble here? You think Phoenix real estate was priced out of all proportion? You should see what Shanghai prices have done in the past decade.

They've gone on a spending spree that makes ours look like a ten year old with his allowance; they are desperate to do anything and everything they can to keep the growth going.

The construction I saw in Shanghai was of epic proportions.

And the vast majority of the men and women under thirty or so were single. I spoke at length with one 24 year old man that actually had a wife and baby daughter. None of his immediate coworkers were married.

Unlike some posters, I did not see a huge imbalance between the sexes. I know it exists, but in walking the halls of the technology company we visited, I saw a large proportion of YOUNG women. Everyone was young. Methinks China will have serious growing pains in a few decades, not unlike the US and my Boomer cohorts.

1015 faraway  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 8:01:54am

China would may air superiority in a matter of days or weeks. Then its all over.

1016 [deleted]  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 8:02:21am
1017 Leonidas Hoplite  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 8:02:23am

re: #996 realwest

Methinks you are wrong there - Taiwan's military was build and designed from the ground up to defend against an assault from the Mainland - aside from already having a technologically better air force, the Red Chinese would have a hell of a time landing troops on Taiwan - it'd make D- Day look like a stroll in the park.

I'm sure you are right. But if you have 100 Raptors (or equivalent) against 500, 600, etc. Su-27's, who would you put your money on? Plus, if they suffered 50k casualties gaining a beachhead, what does it matter when you tens of millions of potential recruits? Just sayin'.

1018 Occasional Reader  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 8:02:35am

re: #1010 jcm

Their navy while it has aspirations is a littoral navy

Should they be more of a metaphorical one?

/

1019 OldLineTexan  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 8:02:45am

re: #997 ggt

Hillary ain't no Michelle! I think Michelle is stronger.

Michelle is educated, and has kept her anger. Hillary is sharp, very sharp. And accomplished. And politically savvy. No contest, IMO.

1020 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 8:02:50am

re: #1007 Silhouette

Where are they now?, tonight on E! Hollywood Story.

I heard he went thru rehab again, but have lost track.

1021 DeafDog  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 8:03:14am

re: #1002 faraway

Corker is positioning for Pres run in 2012

That's an interesting idea, but if he's worried about then he'll be following the George Allan playbook.

Corker needs to be positioning himself for re-election in 2010.

1022 Kenneth  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 8:03:25am

re: #1012 Occasional Reader

He also thought Sanjay would win American idol, so what does he know, eh?

1023 albusteve  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 8:03:31am

re: #1012 Occasional Reader

Oh, they all look alike...

///

true...you're excused

1024 CIA Reject  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 8:04:01am

re: #969 phoenixgirl

that means there are 40 "one in a million" males there!

Always remember: If you are "one in a million" in China there are 1500 others just like you...

1025 Leonidas Hoplite  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 8:04:02am

re: #1009 Ayatollah Ghilmeini

Yes but Hitler thought he could take Russia, with pretty good reason. The Chicoms are under no such illusions. Totalitarian leaders start wars to deflect domestic unhappiness, that is the only reason China and the US would got to war. We could never conquer them and they could never conquer us, so what would the point of a war be anyhow. That leaves the only real possible flashpoint, Taiwan. China has not, to date, been able to make the risk-reward equation work on this yet. With huge inter-investment and financial holdings between mainland and Taiwan, war again make no sense.

It makes no sense until it does make sense.

1026 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 8:04:09am

re: #1013 Silhouette

The only good thing about the Hillary appointment, and Albright before them. I like making them deal with our women

yes, it is kinda nice!

1027 Occasional Reader  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 8:04:11am

re: #1014 OldLineTexan

but in walking the halls of the technology company we visited, I saw noticed a large proportion of YOUNG women

:P

1028 yochanan  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 8:04:20am

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

KOL HAKOVOD TZHAL

1029 Oh no...Sand People!  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 8:04:30am

re: #1012 Occasional Reader

Oh, they all look alike...

///

Heh. That reminds me, about a month ago I took my son to school and dropped him off. He told me before that a girl had kissed him. (cue shock music...dun dun dun!) I asked him who she was, he pointed over to the corner of a group of about 7 little filipina girls. The one with black hair...

Alrighty then.

1030 Silhouette  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 8:05:10am

re: #1021 DeafDog

That's an interesting idea, but if he's worried about then he'll be following the George Allan playbook.

Corker needs to be positioning himself for re-election in 2010.

I like the idea of saying, "Oh, that president. He's such a corker."

1031 Kenneth  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 8:05:20am

re: #1017 Leonidas Hoplite

After the first or second wave of amphibious landing craft are destroyed on the beaches of Taiwan, how are the next 20 million Chinese supposed to get there, swim? Having lots of cannon fodder is fine, but you still have to get them to the front to be of any use.

1032 Ayatollah Ghilmeini  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 8:05:24am

Further thought on China, one reason they might got to war is the 50 million extra men in their society, an imbalance created by the one family policy. Recall that the richest folks in China are the families of the political elite- stability is the most important factor for these cadres. Wars are uncertain affairs, sometimes you lose them and then, there is hell to pay. By maintaining power and adapting, the "Rule of Heaven"is able to continue with less risk, in this regard they are the MOST conservative and risk adverse people in the world.

1033 faraway  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 8:05:46am

Hillary just smacked down Corker

1034 OldLineTexan  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 8:05:48am

re: #1027 Occasional Reader

:P

You have to experience the Chinese reverence for their elders to truly feel the PAIN.

1035 jcm  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 8:05:56am

re: #1018 Occasional Reader

Should they be more of a metaphorical one?

/

OWW! OWWW!
Hot coffee up my nose!
OWW!

1036 nevergiveup  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 8:06:30am

re: #1010 jcm

China still has no sea-lift or airlift capacity to speak of. Their navy while it has aspirations is a littoral navy not blue water. Their ground forces are something to think about only because of the shear weight of numbers.

Right now they are not a problem. But we need to keep an eye on them, and structure our forces accordingly.

Your right, but if they sense that the White House has lost it's nerve, that the genes have gone weak, that there are no balls...Well ya never know? The meek will NOT inherit the earth.

1037 albusteve  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 8:06:40am

re: #1017 Leonidas Hoplite

I'm sure you are right. But if you have 100 Raptors (or equivalent) against 500, 600, etc. Su-27's, who would you put your money on? Plus, if they suffered 50k casualties gaining a beachhead, what does it matter when you tens of millions of potential recruits? Just sayin'.

hence the point of my first post....gaining Taiwan will be a massacre....and at 6-1 my money is on the Raptors

1038 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 8:06:46am

re: #1016 Iron Fist

Hillary always struck me as someone who could teach cold-bloodedness to a pit viper. Michelle might not put up with Barrack fucking around on her the way Hill did Bill, but she is a Democrat. A certain level of flexibility on such issues seems to be one of the Party's main planks.

re: #1019 OldLineTexan

Michelle is educated, and has kept her anger. Hillary is sharp, very sharp. And accomplished. And politically savvy. No contest, IMO.

Besides the fact that Michelle looks like she could beat most of the D.C type politicians with one punch --black American woman are not to messed-with. I wouldn't want to p!ss her off at all!

1039 nevergiveup  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 8:07:40am

re: #1037 albusteve

hence the point of my first post....gaining Taiwan will be a massacre....and at 6-1 my money is on the Raptors

Taiwan does not have Raptors do they?

1040 jcm  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 8:07:52am

re: #1036 nevergiveup

Your right, but if they sense that the White House has lost it's nerve, that the genes have gone weak, that there are no balls...Well ya never know? The meek will NOT inherit the earth.

That's the biggie. If the ChiComs get signals that the White House will not honor our agreements with Taiwan, and that we will not respond. Then they'd be willing to pay the price.

1041 Ford_Prefect  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 8:08:01am

re: #1033 faraway

Hillary just smacked down Corker

Are you sure she didn't bottle Corker up?

1042 faraway  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 8:08:08am

Wow. Get paid to work from home. Really. $100,000 for 6 months.

1043 realwest  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 8:08:33am

re: #923 Occasional Reader
The difference between the Japanese and the Chinese is that we've had experience fighting Chinese troop in Korea and - to a much lesser degree - Vietnam (but only lesser because the North Vietnamese detested the Chinese who were really only sending "advisors" to try to offset the Soviet's influence on the North Vietnamese. We KNOW the Chinese can shoot straight and we KNOW how little they care for their own troops - they'd send wave attacks in Korea and the first several waves, the Chinese troops would be armed only with sharpened sticks - still hadda be killed, but that took up ammo and overheated weapons.). I doubt the US Military would make that mistake again.

1044 Occasional Reader  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 8:08:39am

re: #1017 Leonidas Hoplite

But if you have 100 Raptors (or equivalent) against 500, 600, etc. Su-27's, who would you put your money on?

Actually, in that particular example: The Raptors.

(Assuming of course that the Raptor pilots have been trained up to be worthy of flying that bird)

1045 Oh no...Sand People!  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 8:09:20am

re: #1040 jcm

That's the biggie. If the ChiComs get signals that the White House will not honor our agreements with Taiwan, and that we will not respond. Then they'd be willing to pay the price.

China takes Taiwan.
Obama, "Let's not be distracted by where the main point of the problem lies, Bush's failed policies."
/

1046 OldLineTexan  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 8:09:24am

re: #1043 realwest

The difference between the Japanese and the Chinese is that we've had experience fighting Chinese troop in Korea and - to a much lesser degree - Vietnam (but only lesser because the North Vietnamese detested the Chinese who were really only sending "advisors" to try to offset the Soviet's influence on the North Vietnamese. We KNOW the Chinese can shoot straight and we KNOW how little they care for their own troops - they'd send wave attacks in Korea and the first several waves, the Chinese troops would be armed only with sharpened sticks - still hadda be killed, but that took up ammo and overheated weapons.). I doubt the US Military would make that mistake again.

My best friend's dad was there for one of those attacks.

1047 Kenneth  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 8:09:29am

re: #1032 Ayatollah Ghilmeini

Taiwan offers nothing of value to China: a small crowded country with few natural resources. It's only use is as a propaganda issue. Siberia, on the other hand has plenty of what China needs: lots of land & rich natural resources. Russia has been selling the Chinese mineral exploration rights, lumber concessions, you name it. Heck the Russians even have an excess of females over males! When push comes to shove, China won't have to take Siberia from the Russians, it will fall into their lap.

1048 albusteve  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 8:09:41am

re: #1039 nevergiveup

Taiwan does not have Raptors do they?

dont know...if they are threatened with invasion the most certainly will...imo

1049 Leonidas Hoplite  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 8:10:02am

re: #1031 Kenneth
I agree but I'm not sure the problem is insurmountable.

1050 Kenneth  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 8:10:11am

re: #1033 faraway

Hillary just smacked down Corker

Is that what she calls Bill's thing?

1051 jcm  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 8:10:15am

re: #1039 nevergiveup

Taiwan does not have Raptors do they?

Nope.

F-16 - 146
Mirage 2K - 57
F-5 - 90+
Home grown F-5 - 128.

1052 phoenixgirl  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 8:10:17am

re: #1042 faraway

Wow. Get paid to work from home. Really. $100,000 for 6 months.

can i bring someone?

1053 DeafDog  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 8:10:22am

re: #1030 Silhouette

I like the idea of saying, "Oh, that president. He's such a corker."

We all do, but it will be at least 4 years coming.

And if it is the Tennessee Senator, then the LGF punnsters will have a field day.

1054 karmic_inquisitor  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 8:10:58am

Ask a leftist - Should we leave Iran alone and work with them without preconditions when they are still stoning people to death for adultery?

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

1055 Oh no...Sand People!  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 8:11:08am

re: #1046 OldLineTexan

My best friend's dad was there for one of those attacks.

My dad said he melted the barrel on his greasegun when they were racing like demons to get back below the 38th parallel.

1056 VegasRick  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 8:11:27am

re: #1052 phoenixgirl

can i bring someone?

I'll go with you.

1057 Occasional Reader  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 8:11:39am

re: #1048 albusteve

dont know...if they are threatened with invasion the most certainly will...imo

You can't just hand them F-22s overnight and expect their pilots will be able to fly them the next day, unfortunately.

It would have to be US pilots to counter an immediate threat.

And there we get back to the question of political will.

1058 realwest  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 8:11:42am

re: #955 Ayatollah Ghilmeini I agree with your post, except that I guess the Chinese forgot what the US did for them in WWII when they went into Korea.

1059 Kenneth  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 8:11:42am

re: #1049 Leonidas Hoplite

True. One strategy is to have Chinese paratroopers land & grab the Taiwanese ports and then offload waiting Chinese containerships full of troops & tanks.

1060 OldLineTexan  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 8:11:44am

re: #1048 albusteve

dont know...if they are threatened with invasion the most certainly will...imo

Very few Raptors out there.

1061 phoenixgirl  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 8:12:09am

re: #1056 VegasRick

yeah!

1062 karmic_inquisitor  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 8:12:19am

re: #1043 realwest

Which was why Mac wanted to nuke them at their border.

1063 avanti  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 8:12:27am

re: #1019 OldLineTexan

Michelle is educated, and has kept her anger. Hillary is sharp, very sharp. And accomplished. And politically savvy. No contest, IMO.

Bill may have had the charm, but Hillary has the brains. She'll have fun with the Arab leaders that think women are weak. She may not be be much smarter then Rice, but she may well be tougher. She's more of a hawk then some on the left would prefer.

1064 Silhouette  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 8:12:41am

re: #1053 DeafDog

We all do, but it will be at least 4 years coming.

And if it is the Tennessee Senator, then the LGF punnsters will have a field day.

And his name is Bob. What does a cork do in the water?

1065 faraway  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 8:12:44am

re: #1052 phoenixgirl

can i bring someone?

me

1066 jcm  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 8:12:46am

Potty Parity!

George Washington University public interest law professor John F. Banzhaf, III, said the National Park Service's plan to have roughly the same number of portable toilets designated for men and women is discriminatory because it will result in much longer wait times for women. Banzhaf wants more toilets designated for use by both sexes, and a two-to-one ratio of women's facilities to men's facilities. He also suggested that inauguration staffers be given the authority to direct women to men's toilets, if necessary.


HOPE the lines aren't to long, and a CHANGE of undies isn't needed.

1067 Occasional Reader  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 8:12:52am

re: #1046 OldLineTexan

My best friend's dad was there for one of those attacks.

My mom's cousin was killed in one of them.

(And yet, oddly, I don't go around screaming for the death of all Chinese... man, I'd make a pretty lousy Palestinian.)

1068 Ford_Prefect  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 8:12:57am

Funny editorial cartoon from IBD.

1069 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 8:13:02am

Oh, now this is interesting.

1070 Occasional Reader  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 8:13:39am

re: #1059 Kenneth

True. One strategy is to have Chinese paratroopers land & grab the Taiwanese ports and then offload waiting Chinese containerships full of troops & tanks.

And the first wave would be contaminated with melamine! Don't forget that.

1071 albusteve  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 8:13:40am

re: #1057 Occasional Reader

You can't just hand them F-22s overnight and expect their pilots will be able to fly them the next day, unfortunately.

It would have to be US pilots to counter an immediate threat.

And there we get back to the question of political will.

it's reasonable to assume none of this is going to happen overnight...lots of variables...as for US pilots they'd do it in a heartbeat

1072 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 8:13:54am

re: #1063 avanti

Bill may have had the charm, but Hillary has the brains. She'll have fun with the Arab leaders that think women are weak. She may not be be much smarter then Rice, but she may well be tougher. She's more of a hawk then some on the left would prefer.

I'm still wondering if 0bama gave Hillary the position to shut her up, and he'll have people undermining her at every opportunity, until she resigns in disgust.

1073 phoenixgirl  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 8:14:11am

re: #1065 faraway

the more the merrier!

1074 Silhouette  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 8:14:12am

If a lizard takes the $100,000 island job, all the rest of us promise to keep you from being lonely by being available for chat 24/7.

1075 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 8:14:19am

re: #1050 Kenneth

Is that what she calls Bill's thing?

LOL!

1076 [deleted]  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 8:14:23am
1077 karmic_inquisitor  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 8:14:28am

re: #1063 avanti

Bill may have had the charm, but Hillary has the brains. She'll have fun with the Arab leaders that think women are weak. She may not be be much smarter then Rice, but she may well be tougher. She's more of a hawk then some on the left would prefer.

Hilary has a black heart. She is a misanthropist. She may make a decent Secretary of State.

1078 Kenneth  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 8:14:50am

re: #1054 karmic_inquisitor


Ask a leftist - Should we leave Iran alone and work with them without preconditions when they are still stoning people to death for adultery?

...and he will tell you that your video was from Fox News, so he knows it's all lies & it's not really happening, & besides Christian-fascists like Sarah Palin are already doing worse to disabled gays and lesbians of color in America.

1079 [deleted]  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 8:15:34am
1080 [deleted]  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 8:15:47am
1081 karmic_inquisitor  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 8:16:16am

re: #1078 Kenneth

You are right. I forgot.

Oh ... and the rape kits. Don't forget the rape kits!

1082 Leonidas Hoplite  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 8:16:38am

re: #1048 albusteve

dont know...if they are threatened with invasion the most certainly will...imo


They do not. F-16's and Mirage 2000's, approximately 400 total. China outmatches them in number but not in quality, with 100 or so Su-27's and a lot of much older stuff. For now. [Link: www.globalsecurity.org...]

1083 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 8:16:55am

So, I guess Homeland Security does work?

POSTED BY SCC AT 12:05 AM 10 COMMENTS
 Two Out of Three Arrested
Another person trying to get a gun on a plane?
A Berwyn man was arrested Thursday after attempting to carry a loaded weapon onto an aircraft at O'Hare International Airport -- the second such arrest in as many days.

Rodolfo Duarte, 27, of the 6300 block of West 37th Street in Berwyn, was arrested Thursday at O'Hare Airport and charged later the same day with boarding an aircraft with a weapon, according to police News Affairs Officer David Banks.

Jefferson District police indicated that a loaded "homemade" firearm, which has no make or model but has the ability to fire, was found inside his bag. One bullet was in the chamber and another was outside the chamber of the gun when he was arrested Thursday afternoon, district police said.
This is the second incident in under a week. It's also the third incident in about a month, though no one seems interested in the very first incident.

No word from spokesman Banks about how a certain someone was able to avoid public humiliation, embarrassment and arrest after she brought a gun to the security checkpoint in violation of Federal Law and Department policy. Of course, a certain airport Lieutenant and the Burger King can conspire to make the rules applicable to lesser mortals only.
Labels: sarcasm AND sillines

1084 realwest  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 8:16:59am

re: #1015 faraway
Ha ha ha ha ha! ROFL! Thanks for that one! NOBODY has anything remotely close to the F-22 and won't have for a looong time - and then it'll probably be the Japanese who do.

1085 Occasional Reader  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 8:17:04am

re: #1071 albusteve

as for US pilots they'd do it in a heartbeat

Erm... they'd have to be ordered to. US active duty combat pilots just don't "freelance" around the world. So again, that gets back to whether the White House would be willing to engage in direct combat with the Chinese.

1086 jcm  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 8:17:30am

re: #1076 Iron Fist

I don't think China could ever attain air superiority. We have too many aircraft carriers for that. OTOH, we probably could not attain the complete air supremacy that we have enjoyed against Afghanistan and Iraq. It would be bloody and messy, but China can win a war of attrition with the United States. The question is "Will China jump?" and "What will America do if they do?"

I don't think we have a clear answer to either of those questions. The Chinese are the very definition of inscrutible, and Obama is a cypher. We're in what one of my CS instructors called the "Land of Undefined Behavior", which means you can't really know what is going to happen until you run the program and see what really happens.

The big factor in air combat is twofold. Pilot training, and freedom of operation. We train harder than just about anyone. But the freedom in the cockpit is a real biggie. Commies don't trust anyone, so the controls over ChiCom pilots is much greater. That institutional requirement for a pilot to receive more and more complex instructions from ground control will play into the equation in our favor.

1087 [deleted]  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 8:17:35am
1088 CIA Reject  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 8:17:42am

re: #1036 nevergiveup

Your right, but if they sense that the White House has lost it's nerve, that the genes have gone weak, that there are no balls...Well ya never know? The meek will NOT inherit the earth.

The meek WILL inherit the earth. After everybody else is done with it. :(

1089 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 8:18:02am

re: #1072 Kosh's Shadow

I'm still wondering if 0bama gave Hillary the position to shut her up, and he'll have people undermining her at every opportunity, until she resigns in disgust.

Now we know what those conversations were about during the Convention. "Listen, Hill, you support me in this nomination and you'll get SOS."

1090 DeafDog  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 8:18:25am

re: #1072 Kosh's Shadow

I'm still wondering if 0bama gave Hillary the position to shut her up, and he'll have people undermining her at every opportunity, until she resigns in disgust.

Yes, this is worth keeping an eye on.

It already seems like they are setting up the WH to bypass State. The UN Ambassodor, for example, will be cabinet level under BHO and Ambassador Ross seems to have a direct line to Obama on Middle-east affairs.

1091 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 8:18:35am

re: #1076 Iron Fist

I don't think China could ever attain air superiority. We have too many aircraft carriers for that. OTOH, we probably could not attain the complete air supremacy that we have enjoyed against Afghanistan and Iraq. It would be bloody and messy, but China can win a war of attrition with the United States. The question is "Will China jump?" and "What will America do if they do?"

I don't think we have a clear answer to either of those questions. The Chinese are the very definition of inscrutible, and Obama is a cypher. We're in what one of my CS instructors called the "Land of Undefined Behavior", which means you can't really know what is going to happen until you run the program and see what really happens.

I'd honestly say that if China jumps while Obama is president, I don't expect him to come to Taiwan's aid. I don't think he is psychologically capable of entering into a conflict like that. He might be forced into one by a direct attack of the US, but he won't join a foreign war.

1092 Guanxi88  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 8:18:53am

One thing that is still in people's minds Stateside is the old Maoist "People's War" doctrine of the PLA.

Got some bad news for those pinning their hopes on that being the Chinese way: that's strictly old-hat. The new thing is "asymmetrical" stuff: swarm attacks on small targets, unconventional weapons and tactics, use of technology to leverage their numbers, etc.

They plan on fighting a lot differently than their fathers did.

1093 jcm  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 8:19:24am

re: #1091 Dark_Falcon

I'd honestly say that if China jumps while Obama is president, I don't expect him to come to Taiwan's aid. I don't think he is psychologically capable of entering into a conflict like that. He might be forced into one by a direct attack of the US, but he won't join a foreign war.

He'd follow the UN's lead. Speak Strongly and carry a limp stick.

1094 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 8:19:29am

new thread upstairs ------------------------->

and my cue to start my day.

Have a great one, Lizards!

1095 albusteve  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 8:20:00am

re: #1085 Occasional Reader

Erm... they'd have to be ordered to. US active duty combat pilots just don't "freelance" around the world. So again, that gets back to whether the White House would be willing to engage in direct combat with the Chinese.

obviously...then again they were allowed to voluntarily fight the Japanese in China...there is precedent

1096 Occasional Reader  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 8:20:26am

re: #1086 jcm

Commies don't trust anyone, so the controls over ChiCom pilots is much greater.

IIRC the same was true with Soviet pilots. They'd have to get specific ground instructions in order to use the cupholder, basically.

1097 yma o hyd  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 8:20:59am

Hiya, Lizard Nation!

It seems the poor hamasholes will have to do without the valuable help which Iran and 'Frre Gaza' tried to bring to them, on ships:

'Navy halts Gaza-bound Iranian boat'
... and the intrepid sailors on that 'Free Gaza' ship had to go back to Cyprus - their generator blew up.

Sad, innit, like ...

1098 realwest  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 8:21:00am

re: #1017 Leonidas Hoplite
My money goes on the Raptors. Fer crying out loud, ONE F-22 knocked down something like a DOZEN F-15's in a simulated dogfight and the F-15 aircraft has NEVER lost a real air-to-air combat.
As to the 50,000 troops, I'll get worried when the Chinese have the capabilities to mount a sea/land invasion even approximating 50,000 men, much less millions - do you have any idea of how many ships it would take to get 50,000 men TO Taiwan? Much less millions?!

1099 Leonidas Hoplite  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 8:21:46am

re: #1076 Iron Fist

I don't think China could ever attain air superiority. We have too many aircraft carriers for that. OTOH, we probably could not attain the complete air supremacy that we have enjoyed against Afghanistan and Iraq. It would be bloody and messy, but China can win a war of attrition with the United States. The question is "Will China jump?" and "What will America do if they do?"

I don't think we have a clear answer to either of those questions. The Chinese are the very definition of inscrutible, and Obama is a cypher. We're in what one of my CS instructors called the "Land of Undefined Behavior", which means you can't really know what is going to happen until you run the program and see what really happens.

How many carrier battle groups do we have? 10? How many are in port at any given moment? 4? That leaves 6, 1 for the Med, 2 for the gulf, presumabely one for the atlantic, and maybe 2 for the western Pacific? How many fighter squadrons on a carrier? 2? at most 4? Granted we are having a highly hypothetical discusssion on this topic and all of this is couched in long-term possibilitites but I'm not convinced that the problems are insurmountable for China. Not too mention with the potential, or certainty, that there is a president in office who won't fight.

1100 [deleted]  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 8:21:51am
1101 Occasional Reader  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 8:23:53am

re: #1100 Iron Fist

And only a Lib's Liberal would say that having the exact same number of facilities for both sexes was discriminatory.

I can't say that request is particularly crazy, really. It's pretty empirically demonstrable that the lines for the womens' toilets tend to be a lot longer.

1102 notutopia  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 8:23:57am

Here's the latest relief Pali Medical/Trauma Team.
I hope they have not brought along another Mr. Martin-like camera crew with them.....
[Link: www.imemc.org...]

1103 jcm  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 8:24:42am

re: #1096 Occasional Reader

IIRC the same was true with Soviet pilots. They'd have to get specific ground instructions in order to use the cupholder, basically.

A lot of Soviet fighters the weapons arming was done from the ground.

1104 avanti  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 8:24:44am

re: #1054 karmic_inquisitor

Ask a leftist - Should we leave Iran alone and work with them without preconditions when they are still stoning people to death for adultery?

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

They are just more conservative in following the Koran then we are with the Bible.

What the Bible says about stoning ( Just two of dozens)

For touching Mount Sinai
Whosoever toucheth the mount shall be surely put to death. Exodus 19:13

For adultery (including urban rape victims who fail to scream loud enough)
If a damsel that is a virgin be betrothed unto an husband, and a man find her in the city, and lie with her; Then ye shall bring them both out unto the gate of that city, and ye shall stone them with stones that they die; the damsel, because she cried not, being in the city. Deuteronomy 22:23-24

For a woman who is not a virgin on her wedding night

If any man take a wife, and go in unto her, and hate her ... and say, I took this woman, and when I came to her, I found her not a maid: Then shall the father of the damsel, and her mother, take and bring forth the tokens of the damsel's virginity unto the elders of the city in the gate: And the damsel's father shall say ... these are the tokens of my daughter's virginity. And they shall spread the cloth before the elders of the city. ... But if this thing be true, and the tokens of virginity be not found for the damsel: Then they shall bring out the damsel to the door of her father's house, and the men of her city shall stone her with stones that she die. Deuteronomy 22:13-21

1105 realwest  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 8:25:17am

re: #1046 OldLineTexan
So was my uncle who also survived the Chosun Reservoir disaster.

1106 jcm  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 8:27:42am

re: #1100 Iron Fist

The Left have been campaigning for unisex toilets for as long as I can remember. God alone knows why they are so insistant upon it. And only a Lib's Liberal would say that having the exact same number of facilities for both sexes was discriminatory.

I think that is because the Libs are full of shit.

Most every where I've been Porta-potties are unisex. Not a problem since it's one user at a time. In fixed facilities the amount of time women take is longer, so new facilities take that into account. Because the facility wants happy patrons.

We either are end up with unisex everything, or something for everyone.
Men, Women, Gay, Bi, Trans, Questioning. etc....

1107 avanti  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 8:29:03am

re: #1072 Kosh's Shadow

I'm still wondering if 0bama gave Hillary the position to shut her up, and he'll have people undermining her at every opportunity, until she resigns in disgust.

I think he's just being pragmatic. He can afford to piss off the far left because they have no where to go and he can toss a bone to the Hillary supporters and women in general. Not saying she is not a decent pick otherwise though.

1108 [deleted]  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 8:29:15am
1109 [deleted]  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 8:31:01am
1110 nevergiveup  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 8:32:31am

re: #1088 CIA Reject

The meek WILL inherit the earth. After everybody else is done with it. :(

Yeah, I know what the original says, but that wasn't written in the 20th century.

1111 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 8:33:26am

re: #1104 avanti

They are just more conservative in following the Koran then we are with the Bible.

What the Bible says about stoning ( Just two of dozens)

For touching Mount Sinai
Whosoever toucheth the mount shall be surely put to death. Exodus 19:13

For adultery (including urban rape victims who fail to scream loud enough)
If a damsel that is a virgin be betrothed unto an husband, and a man find her in the city, and lie with her; Then ye shall bring them both out unto the gate of that city, and ye shall stone them with stones that they die; the damsel, because she cried not, being in the city. Deuteronomy 22:23-24

For a woman who is not a virgin on her wedding night

If any man take a wife, and go in unto her, and hate her ... and say, I took this woman, and when I came to her, I found her not a maid: Then shall the father of the damsel, and her mother, take and bring forth the tokens of the damsel's virginity unto the elders of the city in the gate: And the damsel's father shall say ... these are the tokens of my daughter's virginity. And they shall spread the cloth before the elders of the city. ... But if this thing be true, and the tokens of virginity be not found for the damsel: Then they shall bring out the damsel to the door of her father's house, and the men of her city shall stone her with stones that she die. Deuteronomy 22:13-21

Care to provide any instances of these executions being carried out, during biblical, Roman, or any other historical period? Eyewitness accounts, diaries, other chapters from the O.T. describing non-virgins who were stoned?

1112 avanti  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 8:35:44am

re: #1108 buzzsawmonkey

I truly despise idiots who believe that they understand what the Bible says from their out-of-context reading of cherry-picked quotes.

The Bible says a great deal more then rules for stoning, but
illuminate me on the proper context that sets out stoning rules in the Bible ? Not being a smart ass, but the idiots stoning today base it on the Koran's similar passages, we've just moved beyond such acts.

1113 opnion  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 8:37:09am

re: #1019 OldLineTexan

Michelle is educated, and has kept her anger. Hillary is sharp, very sharp. And accomplished. And politically savvy. No contest, IMO.


Yeah, my money would be on Hillary. TKO in Round Four.

1114 realwest  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 8:41:14am

re: #1092 Guanxi88
Um, do y'all have any links to that? Asymmetrical warfare would work against China's biggest asset - it's enormous Army. Which has NOT been modernized anywhere near China's still second rate Air Force and Navy.

1115 So?  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 8:42:58am

Just received this email....


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1116 avanti  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 8:44:01am

re: #1111 Alouette

Care to provide any instances of these executions being carried out, during biblical, Roman, or any other historical period? Eyewitness accounts, diaries, other chapters from the O.T. describing non-virgins who were stoned?



Thankfully, Christians have not followed the Bible's Old testament's stoning rules with few exception in modern history and that was my point. Some Muslim's tend to take their book a bit too literally.

1117 [deleted]  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 8:46:20am
1118 realwest  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 8:47:38am

re: #1115 So? Got an image showing 49.2% favoring Israel, 51.8 % Palestinians and then a notice that the server was down!

1119 Occasional Reader  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 8:49:33am

re: #1117 buzzsawmonkey

The cordon sanitaire around Mount Sinai during the Revelation was for the protection of the populace; a warning that they would experience death if they came too close to the Presence during the Revelation. It is akin to a warning sign on an electrified fence.

Which is kind of a strange concept, with respect to an "omnipotent/omniscient" being.

Divine collateral damage?

1120 realwest  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 8:50:12am

re: #1118 realwest
PIMF 50.8 favoring Palestinians.

1121 [deleted]  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 8:58:19am
1122 [deleted]  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 9:00:30am
1123 avanti  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 9:04:15am

re: #1117 buzzsawmonkey

Let me point out, first, that you seem to think stoning was the only form of death penalty in the Bible; it was not.

You seem further to think that any time death is invoked, as in the quote you pick from Exodus, that this indicates stoning, which is false. The cordon sanitaire around Mount Sinai during the Revelation was for the protection of the populace; a warning that they would experience death if they came too close to the Presence during the Revelation. It is akin to a warning sign on an electrified fence.

As to the other examples you give, you are asking me to give you a crash course in Talmudic jurisprudence, which I have neither the time nor the inclination to do even if I considered myself even nominally qualified. That you seem blithely unaware such things even exist, however, yet feel yourself nonetheless qualified to utter pronouncements regarding these passages without the slightest scrap of knowledge in this area, is why your utterances merit dismissal out of hand.

I'll admit I am no where near a expert, but I must have been very unclear in my comments. Your point is, that I don't understand the stoning talked about in the Bible and perhaps, if I knew more, I'd understand why they should not be followed by those as misguided as me. If so, that is my point. Apparently, some Muslem's read similar passages in the Koran as a excuse to do what they do today.

Are we on the same track now ? BTW, as a aside, others have taken one comment they disagree with from me as a excuse to ding down my last few dozen comments. You have not done so, nor will ding down the one guy having a ding down party since that would be bad Karma. Just a little frustrating as a new guy to go from -50 to plus 30 them back to minus again from one comment.i

1124 Occasional Reader  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 9:08:17am

re: #1121 buzzsawmonkey

you will note that Aaron's sons Nadab and Abihu come to an untimely end because they approach the Ark at the wrong time and in the wrong way--and that even Aaron himself is restricted as to when and how he comes into its presence

That's because it was really a nuclear energy source provide by ancient astronauts. Duh.

1125 [deleted]  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 9:24:16am
1126 Alahla  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 10:37:33am

Act for America has a petition to have the UN look into palestinian child abuse in the Gaza Strip. Sign it! [Link: www.actforamerica.com...]

1127 JHW  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 10:50:20am

re: #1114 realwest

realwest, you mentioned the Chinese human-wave attacks in the Korean War. I read this book, Enter the Dragon, a few years ago which had much input from Chinese sources and veterans ,a fascinating book. One of the points it made IIRC was that in the first 6 months of the Korean War a lot of the Chinese troops in combat were from Chiang Kai Chech (sp.) former Nationalist Army which lost in the Civil war and then were absorbed in the Communist Army. Having them make suicidal attacks was a way of purging politically "unreliable" elements in the Communist aemy, saving the Red troops for later. A most excellent read, if you're interested.

A ground-breaking reconstruction that offers a wealth of fresh detail on the circumstances of China's involvement in the Korean War through the stalemate that developed in mid-1951. A veteran Far Eastern correspondent, Spurt (A Glorious Way to Die, 1981) was able to call on contacts and colleagues throughout Asia to provide Chinese as well as Western viewpoints on a turning point in the conflict (which he covered for London's Daily Express). The so-called people's Liberation Army first crossed the Yalu River, which separates their country from North Korea, in October of 1950. The PLA's massive intervention, however, was not detected until nearly six week later. Indeed, American field commanders approaching the Chinese border believed they were in the final stage of a home-by Christmas offensive. Instead, the interlopers had utterly routed the UN forces by the start of 1951, forcing them to retreat back down the peninsula toward the sea. Following these initial victories, the Chinese became as unrealistically euphoric as their adversaries had been in the fall. Better-equipped UN troops fell back to defensible positions, then counterattacked. By the end of March, they had recaptured Seoul and pushed the overextended PLA (which suffered appalling casualties) back across the 38th Parallel. There are few heroes in Spurr's gripping narrative, "which highlights more mistakes than masterstrokes." He nonetheless had high praise for Gen. Matthew Ridgeway and his principal opponent, Peng Duhuai (later, a victim of the Cultural Revolution). Having interviewed PLA survivors whose ranks range from runners through staff officers, the author is an adept at putting small-unit combat action into human-scale focus as he is at delivering big-picture perspectives. Contrary to contemporary perceptions, for example, Spurr found that the Communist rulers of China, enervated by their own civil strife, were reluctant dragons; even so, they felt obliged to commit outgunned troops to avert the conquest of a friendly buffer state on the Manchurian border. Military history of a very high order. The engrossing text includes 40 photographs and a half-dozen maps (not seen). (Kirkus Review


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Texas County at Center of Border Fight Is Overwhelmed by Migrant Deaths EAGLE PASS, Tex. - The undertaker lighted a cigarette and held it between his latex-gloved fingers as he stood over the bloated body bag lying in the bed of his battered pickup truck. The woman had been fished out ...
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