Hamas Leaders Cowering in Hospital Built by Israel

Two weeks into the Gaza conflict, the brave jihadi warriors of Hamas are cowering like rats in the basement of a hospital rebuilt by Israel.

Senior Hamas officials in Gaza are hiding out in a “bunker” built by Israel, intelligence officials suspect: Many are believed to be in the basements of the Shifa Hospital complex in Gaza City, which was refurbished during Israel’s occupation of the Gaza Strip. …

During a cabinet meeting a week ago, Shin Bet chief Yuval Diskin said senior Hamas officials found refuge in the hospital basement because they know Israel would not target it, due to the patients in the upper floors. Palestinian sources told Haaretz that not all the senior Hamas leaders are hiding in one place.

Rather, they have spread out, and some are constantly changing locations. Some of the bunkers they are using were linked by tunnels Hamas built in recent years.

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432 comments
1 Sharmuta  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 8:16:10am

Hypocritical cowards!

2 Oh no...Sand People!  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 8:17:32am
Rather, they have spread out, and some are constantly changing locations.

Filming propaganda requires the use of multiple back drops.

3 karmic_inquisitor  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 8:17:34am

This article confirms that this continues to be a war without surprises.

4 spirochete  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 8:17:43am

They are Mads, Mads I tell ya!

5 faraway  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 8:17:49am

Joe the Plumber could accidentally break some water pipes.

6 Big Steve  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 8:18:01am

enema kit.....stat!

7 jcm  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 8:18:21am

The rooster has bigger ones.

8 Ford_Prefect  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 8:18:25am

But it would be Israel's fault if anyone in that hospital were to be killed when IDF goes after Hamas.

/

9 Confuzed  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 8:18:50am

They'll gladly sacrifice their children, but do their best to save themselves.

10 WriterMom  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 8:19:34am

No wonder they are making public statements about being amenable to a 'truce'.

11 Kenneth  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 8:19:35am

It should be mentioned, this is yet another Hamas violation of the Geneva Conventions.

12 WriterMom  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 8:20:08am

re: #11 Kenneth

Release the Strongly Worded Memos!

13 Sizzlack  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 8:20:09am

Didn't Hamas declare they were about to win?

How do you win when your leaders are peeing in their pants 30 feet under a hospital?

14 Sharmuta  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 8:20:34am

re: #9 Confuzed

They'll gladly sacrifice their children, but do their best to save themselves.

And hide behind women, children, the sick, and the injured to do so.

What brave warriors for allah.

15 Ford_Prefect  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 8:20:49am

re: #9 Confuzed

They'll gladly sacrifice their children, but do their best to save themselves.

Sacrificed children make good propoganda pics.

/

16 jcm  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 8:21:31am

re: #9 Confuzed

They'll gladly sacrifice their children, but do their best to save themselves.

Modern worshipers of Baal, just under a new logo.

17 phoenixgirl  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 8:21:54am

core: #1 Sharmuta

Hypocritical cowards!

more like wussies

18 Oh no...Sand People!  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 8:22:13am

re: #13 Sizzlack

Didn't Hamas declare they were about to win?

How do you win when your leaders are peeing in their pants 30 feet under a hospital?

They are all getting catheters to save on laundry.
/

19 AuntAcid  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 8:22:14am

Good time and place to have a tunnel-digger "how-to".

20 Macker  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 8:22:14am

Whoever Israel's Special Forces are...time to send them into the hospital to take these bastards out and spare those who are truly hospitalized!

21 karmic_inquisitor  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 8:22:56am

I wonder what Alan Alda or Mike Farrell would say about this? They'd be really conflicted, but I am sure they'd come around to the left's moral stance - that Hamas is justified in using the sick as human shields.

22 DeafDog  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 8:23:03am

re: #20 Macker

Whoever Israel's Special Forces are...time to send them into the hospital to take these bastards out and spare those who are truly hospitalized!

Send in the Zohan?

23 yma o hyd  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 8:23:05am

re: #11 Kenneth

It should be mentioned, this is yet another Hamas violation of the Geneva Conventions.

Hamas never violates the Geneva Convention - only Israel does that!

///

24 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 8:23:06am

re: #13 Sizzlack

Didn't Hamas declare they were about to win?

How do you win when your leaders are peeing in their pants 30 feet under a hospital?

It was a Baghdad Bob type proclamation.

25 [deleted]  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 8:23:17am
26 Ford_Prefect  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 8:23:21am

re: #20 Macker

Whoever Israel's Special Forces are...time to send them into the hospital to take these bastards out and spare those who are truly hospitalized!

Better yet, give them a good reason to be in a hospital.

27 jcm  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 8:23:24am

re: #20 Macker

Whoever Israel's Special Forces are...time to send them into the hospital to take these bastards out and spare those who are truly hospitalized!

Most likely the hospital is booby trapped, Hamas run out a tunnel, and blame the IDF for the mess.

28 spirochete  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 8:23:40am

re: #19 AuntAcid

Good time and place to have a tunnel-digger "how-to".

Hell, if they can't dig out, nobody can. Gaza's only two exports are suicide bombers and tunnels.

29 yma o hyd  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 8:24:00am

Posted this on the thread downstairs, just as you all had left:

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

30 Oh no...Sand People!  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 8:24:03am

re: #26 Ford_Prefect

Better yet, give them a good reason to be in a hospital.

I prefer morgue, but that's just me.

31 WriterMom  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 8:24:15am

re: #21 karmic_inquisitor

Like Jimmy Carter-defensive tunnels.

32 lawhawk  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 8:24:20am

Hamas knows a good thing when they see it. They see hospitals as bunkers to prevent their capture or death from above. They know Israel would not purposefully attack a hospital. They exploit Israel's humanity to further their own genocidal ambitions.

Meanwhile, my comments from the past few days bear repeating: where are the reporters and stringers in Gaza who had been busy taking photos of Mads Gilbert and others at Shifa Hospital to report on who's at the hospital, Hamas on the payroll, and other irregularities that show the depravities Hamas carries out on a regular basis? I'll answer my own question - they can't, because they'll lose their access, or their lives should they report the facts from that hospital.

33 Jetpilot1101  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 8:24:40am

How about Israel offers to take all the patients out of the hospital and provide them care in Israel. Then when all the innocents are out, the IDF can level the place. Later on when the people are more amicable, they can rebuild it.

34 unrealizedviewpoint  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 8:24:40am

Hiding behind women & children, and below the sick and infirm.
The world does know what they are.

35 Sizzlack  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 8:24:42am

re: #24 Dark_Falcon

It was a Baghdad Bob type proclamation.

I was always under the impression that 'winning' to people like Hamas and Hezbollah just meant not being totally annihilated. If there were 100 of them and 99 were killed, that one that was left would declare victory simply because he was still alive.

36 Gang of One  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 8:24:58am

re: #1 Sharmuta

Hypocritical cynical cowards!

FYFY

And the world still turns a blind eye to this depravity and with breathtaking malice accuse Israel of violating the truce and of targeting innocents.

God have mercy on their blackened souls, because the IDF should not.

37 VegasRick  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 8:25:05am

re: #24 Dark_Falcon

It was a Baghdad Bob type proclamation.

Gaza Greg?

38 Ford_Prefect  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 8:25:11am

re: #30 Oh no...Sand People!

I prefer morgue, but that's just me.

Ya gotta start somewhere.

39 spirochete  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 8:25:34am

re: #32 lawhawk

I think those reporters are Hamas. They're down in the basement of a hospital, last I heard.

40 DeafDog  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 8:26:41am

re: #23 yma o hyd

Hamas never violates the Geneva Convention - only Israel does that!

///

I posted this link previously, and I apologize for the repeat, but Michael Totten has a great write-up about how Israel is going out of their way to save civilians while Hamas is doing the opposite.

41 Occasional Reader  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 8:27:02am

Actually, the Hamas thugs hiding in Shifa hospital are only the daydream of an autistic child. Nothing to see here. Move along.

42 Leonidas Hoplite  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 8:27:03am

Send in the Honcos!

43 WriterMom  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 8:27:09am

re: #39 spirochete

They may not be Hamas per se, but certainly share a similar world view.

44 Ford_Prefect  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 8:27:46am

re: #33 Jetpilot1101

How about Israel offers to take all the patients out of the hospital and provide them care in Israel. Then when all the innocents are out, the IDF can level the place. Later on when the people are more amicable, they can rebuild it.

Why should Israel rebuild anything in Gaza at this point? They have tried many different times and in many different ways to 'do the right thing' in Gaza and look what it has gotten them.

45 notutopia  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 8:27:48am

Here's the latest relief Pali Medical/Trauma Team.
I hope they have not brought along another Mr. Martin-like camera crew with them .....
[Link: www.imemc.org...]

46 SFGoth  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 8:28:24am

I hope the Israelis were smart enough to install monitoring devices throughout the building.

47 jcm  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 8:28:25am

Later honcos!

48 Ojoe  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 8:28:26am

If they are hiding underground, enough to block the exits and they will starve.

49 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 8:28:38am

re: #27 jcm

Most likely the hospital is booby trapped, Hamas run out a tunnel, and blame the IDF for the mess.

Then the IDF needs to bring some troops trained as 'tunnel rats' (to dust off a term of the Vietnam War). Find the tunnel exit and then use the tunnel to enter the hospital and take the terrorist by surprise and from the rear.

50 phoenixgirl  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 8:28:39am

can't remember where i heard it.....someone was talking about the arab personality. they lack compassion and empathy. it's been bred out of them.

51 Sharmuta  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 8:28:50am

Hamas at a hospital- now all they need is a "journalist" and an international doctor so cnn can run some spin for them.

52 Oh no...Sand People!  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 8:29:07am

re: #43 WriterMom

They may not be Hamas per se, but certainly share a similar world view.

That brings up a nagging question. What is the difference between a member of "hamas" and a "palestinian"? Really. I have no idea. What separates or identifies them as one from the other?

Is it like democrat versus republican?

53 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 8:29:37am

re: #37 VegasRick

Gaza Greg?

Yeah, that works.

54 notutopia  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 8:29:40am

re: #51 Sharmuta

Hamas at a hospital- now all they need is a "journalist" and an international doctor so cnn can run some spin for them.


See #45.

55 AuntAcid  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 8:29:53am

re: #28 spirochete

Hell, if they can't dig out, nobody can. Gaza's only two exports are suicide bombers and tunnels.

...perhaps, given their circumstances, they should confine their shovel work to just 3x6x6.

56 pat  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 8:30:23am

parasites

57 lawhawk  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 8:30:30am

Oh, and UNRWA bears culpability for this situation as well:

Does UNRWA provide protection to Palestine refugees?

Protection is what UNRWA does to safeguard and advance the rights of Palestine refugees. In particular, UNRWA promotes respect for Palestine refugees’ rights through monitoring, reporting and intervention; delivers its services in a manner that promotes and respects the rights of beneficiaries; and ensures that protection needs are addressed in all aspects of programming, policies and procedures.

Apparently none of UNRWA's officials on the ground seem to notice that Hamas has coopted their operations, openly operates in UNRWA refugee camps, using Palestinians as human shields, and is running up a body count right under UNRWA noses, despite UNRWA pledges to protect and advance the rights of Palestinian refugees. It's a most curious way that UNRWA safeguards and advances the rights of those refugees; by supporting, condoning, and looking the other way as Hamas and other terrorist groups use the UNRWA as cover to carry out attacks against Israel.

The UNRWA mandate expires in 2011, and they think that it should be extended further. It should end. UNRWA has been one of the biggest reasons that the conflict persists; it fosters an environment that Hamas and other terrorists exploit, and a welfare class that knows of nothing else but handouts. The definition of refugee is such that grandchildren and great grandchildren of those who live in the camps are considered refugees, despite the fact that all that they've known is living in the camps because Palestinians refuse to settle in Gaza or the West Bank where they have civil administrative control.

58 Prikolno  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 8:30:33am

Let IDF take over the hospital not the basement. Then seal of the exits from the basement and destroy any other exits possible.
Let them have a taste of their own.

59 Spider Mensch  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 8:30:42am

"Jerry I'm telling ya! I saw a half hamas ,half pig man in that hospital! They're secretly building an army of hamas pig men in that hospital!"

/kramer

60 [deleted]  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 8:30:46am
61 karmic_inquisitor  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 8:30:53am

re: #11 Kenneth

It should be mentioned, this is yet another Hamas violation of the Geneva Conventions.

And we should also note that international consensus is now that terrorists and "non-state actors" now get the same Geneva Convention protections as state combatants but are not otherwise subject to its terms. So the US is wrong to operate Gitmo and Hamas leadership will never go to The Hague (except to testify against Israelis and Americans).

Peace and Justice in our times.

62 yma o hyd  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 8:32:00am

re: #40 DeafDog

The sad thing is that, thanks to the incredibly biased reporting in the MFM, people have swallowed the 'Israel kills children and women'-meme, for years.

It will take more than a report by Totten, and mroe than all the IDF videos, to convince the unthinking other wise, especially as these videos are studiously overlooked by the MFM.

63 alegrias  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 8:32:01am

THis is a WAR CRIME.

Any & all
"International"
"united"
"peace"
or other fake
"humanitarian"
"relief"
"agencies"
or organizations who know this are complicit in crimes against humanity.

64 [deleted]  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 8:32:26am
65 lawhawk  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 8:32:47am

re: #45 notutopia

Here's the latest relief Pali Medical/Trauma Team.
I hope they have not brought along another Mr. Martin-like camera crew with them .....
[Link: www.imemc.org...]

Mads Gilbert was in Shifa Hospital for a week, mugging for cameras and making that propaganda tape. If I were the Norweigan medical authorities, I'd be looking at that propaganda tape to see if he engaged in medical malpractice. I certainly wouldn't want to have him treating me or anyone else given the way he carried on in that video.

66 WriterMom  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 8:33:03am

re: #52 Oh no...Sand People!

In my opinion, the only thing that separates Palestinians is whether they are Christians or Muslims (because the whole world has forgotten anyway that there were Palestinian Jews). If they are Palestinian Muslims, it really doesn't matter to which party they pledge allegience because the aims of Fatah and Hamas are actually remarkably similar (ie: Death to the Juice)! It's just a matter of 'who will give me more aid', and 'who is less likely to throw me off a building', or 'who will pay me more to sacrifice my children'.

67 Ojoe  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 8:33:04am

re: #60 buzzsawmonkey

It's Operation Amontillado, Prospero.

68 albusteve  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 8:33:14am

re: #32 lawhawk

Hamas knows a good thing when they see it. They see hospitals as bunkers to prevent their capture or death from above. They know Israel would not purposefully attack a hospital. They exploit Israel's humanity to further their own genocidal ambitions.

Meanwhile, my comments from the past few days bear repeating: where are the reporters and stringers in Gaza who had been busy taking photos of Mads Gilbert and others at Shifa Hospital to report on who's at the hospital, Hamas on the payroll, and other irregularities that show the depravities Hamas carries out on a regular basis? I'll answer my own question - they can't, because they'll lose their access, or their lives should they report the facts from that hospital.

I am fairly confident this behavior will shake out...as for this particular situation the Israelis should document it as best they can and put the whole thing on hold while everybody looks at what Hamas has done

69 unrealizedviewpoint  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 8:33:36am

re: #59 Spider Mensch

"Jerry I'm telling ya! I saw a half hamas ,half pig man in that hospital! They're secretly building an army of hamas pig men in that hospital!"

/kramer

70 phoenixgirl  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 8:33:37am

re: #63 alegrias

THis is a WAR CRIME.

Any & all
"International"
"united"
"peace"
or other fake
"humanitarian"
"relief"
"agencies"
or organizations who know this are complicit in crimes against humanity.

spoil sport/

71 wrenchwench  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 8:34:03am

"Get out there and fight, men! We're right behind below you!"

72 WriterMom  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 8:34:21am

re: #65 lawhawk

If any Norweigian authority of any kind gives a shit about him and his participation in that clip, I would be shocked.

73 notutopia  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 8:34:29am

re: #45 notutopia

Here's the latest relief Pali Medical/Trauma Team.
I hope they have not brought along another Mr. Martin-like camera crew with them .....
[Link: www.imemc.org...]

So they are allowing continuous border crossings for reshipment of supplies and gas. I wondered how they were keeping the generators powered. At night you can still see patches in the city with power/generators.
This war will continue for longer than we thought.

74 [deleted]  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 8:35:33am
75 karmic_inquisitor  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 8:35:50am

re: #68 albusteve

I am fairly confident this behavior will shake out...as for this particular situation the Israelis should document it as best they can and put the whole thing on hold while everybody looks at what Hamas has done

I can see everyone learning about it once Hamas is deposed and it is safe to reveal. Then the Sunday talk shows will feature a 3 minute "introspection segment" where journalists ask if they had done something wrong. They will then pronounce themselves to have a clean bill of health.

76 AuntAcid  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 8:36:04am

Mine is not to fight and die,
mine is to whine and cry.

77 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 8:36:08am

re: #22 DeafDog

Send in the Zohan?

They can have the Zohan. That movie sucked like a black hole.

78 beblebrox  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 8:36:14am

What the IDF needs is a Horta. It could tunnel in under them in a matter of seconds and melt them down once it got there.

/The answer to all of life's problems can be found on Star Trek.

79 shanec99  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 8:36:25am

Hre: #51 Sharmuta

Hamas at a hospital- now all they need is a "journalist" and an international doctor so cnn can run some spin for them.

Every Hamas leader should be in a hospital... the psychiatric wing. Under sedation, restraint and constant supervision. They are homicidal, suicidal antisocial beings, who should not have the words human uttered in any sentence that contains a reference to them.

80 scottishbuzzsaw  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 8:36:28am

re: #60 buzzsawmonkey

What time is it, boys and girls? It's Cask of Amontillado time!

How un-Fortunato for them...

81 Bloodnok  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 8:36:39am

re: #1 Sharmuta

Hypocritical cowards!

Since they are in a hospital that makes them Hippocratical cowards, too.

82 yma o hyd  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 8:36:41am

re: #49 Dark_Falcon

Then the IDF needs to bring some troops trained as 'tunnel rats' (to dust off a term of the Vietnam War). Find the tunnel exit and then use the tunnel to enter the hospital and take the terrorist by surprise and from the rear.

I'd hazard the guess that the Israeli Special Forces will be doing just that - not that we'll hear about it!

83 Nevergiveup  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 8:36:47am

8:27 Report: New York City likely to greenlight public Hebrew-language school (NYT)

As a Jew I think this is DEAD WRONG. This is PC runamuck. This America. Teach English.

84 Occasional Reader  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 8:37:09am

re: #49 Dark_Falcon

and take the terrorist by surprise and from the rear

BREAKING NEWS: REP. BARNEY FRANK VOLUNTEERS FOR ISRAELI DEFENSE FORCE

85 debutaunt  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 8:37:12am

re: #9 Confuzed

They'll gladly sacrifice their women and children, but do their best to save themselves.

Fixed

86 Ojoe  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 8:37:13am

BBLre: #74 buzzsawmonkey

Well thank you.

At least I remembered a somewhat similar name...

BBL

87 JohnGaltLives  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 8:37:14am

I am sure Michael Moore will be over there shortly to film the great care that is given by the Hamas doctors. ///

88 thefallingman  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 8:37:22am

I love how the story fails to mention that, under the Geneva Conventions, these Hamas leaders are committing a war crime.

89 Occasional Reader  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 8:37:32am

re: #74 buzzsawmonkey

Prospero was the prince who held the Masque of the Red Death.

Montresor was the fellow who walled Fortunato up in the wine cellar.

For the love of God, buzzsawmonkey! FOR THE LOVE OF GOD!

90 albusteve  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 8:38:04am

re: #75 karmic_inquisitor

I can see everyone learning about it once Hamas is deposed and it is safe to reveal. Then the Sunday talk shows will feature a 3 minute "introspection segment" where journalists ask if they had done something wrong. They will then pronounce themselves to have a clean bill of health.

you're probably right...but it will be another small step toward irrelevence...the MSM cannot hide everything for ever....I'm staying as positive as I can

91 VegasRick  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 8:38:22am

re: #84 Occasional Reader

BREAKING NEWS: REP. BARNEY FRANK VOLUNTEERS FOR ISRAELI DEFENSE FORCE

LOL! He want's the gunner position?

92 opinionated  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 8:38:23am

That's one hospital scene- traumatised Hamas leaders- that CNN does not want to show.

93 Occasional Reader  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 8:38:44am

re: #78 beblebrox

What the IDF needs is a Horta. It could tunnel in under them in a matter of seconds and melt them down once it got there.

/The answer to all of life's problems can be found on Star Trek.

The UN Security Council would promptly issue a "NO KILL I" resolution.

94 beblebrox  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 8:38:51am

re: #91 VegasRick

LOL! He want's the gunner position?

Tail Gunner

95 alegrias  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 8:38:59am

re: #84 Occasional Reader

BREAKING NEWS: REP. BARNEY FRANK VOLUNTEERS FOR ISRAELI DEFENSE FORCE

* * *
Right-- OR, this is the guy who didn't know he had a bordello in his basement!

On Capitol Hill no less.

96 VegasRick  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 8:39:19am

re: #94 beblebrox

Tail Gunner

Rear Admiral

97 samsgran1948  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 8:39:27am

re: #33 Jetpilot1101

How about Israel offers to take all the patients out of the hospital and provide them care in Israel. Then when all the innocents are out, the IDF can level the place. Later on when the people are more amicable, they can rebuild it.

That was going to be my suggestion. GMTA

98 JohnGaltLives  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 8:39:39am

re: #88 thefallingman

I bet the MSM would remember to call it a war crime if it were the IDF hiding out in a hospital.

99 [deleted]  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 8:39:39am
100 Kenneth  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 8:39:50am

re: #12 WriterMom

Release the Strongly Worded Memos ...condemning only Israel

101 Nevergiveup  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 8:40:08am

re: #82 yma o hyd

I'd hazard the guess that the Israeli Special Forces will be doing just that - not that we'll hear about it!

I am sure all of us here would like the IDF Special Forces to do that, but what a mess it could turn into. Israeli casualties, "innocent" Palestinians, destroying whole sections of the city and civilian infrastructure, and all the bullshit with UN, EU, And the MSM. And what if Hamas has wired the Hospital and blows it and blames it on Israel.

102 beblebrox  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 8:40:28am

re: #93 Occasional Reader

The UN Security Council would promptly issue a "NO KILL I" resolution.

OK, you get a ding for that!

103 SFGoth  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 8:40:29am

re: #93 Occasional Reader

The UN Security Council would promptly issue a "NO KILL I" resolution.

Actually, that would be a "No Kill You" res.

104 AuntAcid  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 8:40:58am

re: #78 beblebrox

What the IDF needs is a Horta. It could tunnel in under them in a matter of seconds and melt them down once it got there.

/The answer to all of life's problems can be found on Star Trek.

WWCKD? "What would Captain Kirk do?"

105 faraway  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 8:41:06am

Send those damn roosters down there.

106 opinionated  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 8:41:07am

re: #13 Sizzlack

Didn't Hamas declare they were about to win?

Image: 20030425007100510.jpg

107 Digital Display  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 8:41:08am

re: #33 Jetpilot1101

How about Israel offers to take all the patients out of the hospital and provide them care in Israel. Then when all the innocents are out, the IDF can level the place. Later on when the people are more amicable, they can rebuild it.

looks like it will take boots on the ground to clean out the vermin in the basement.

108 Ford_Prefect  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 8:41:09am

re: #95 alegrias

* * *
Right-- OR, this is the guy who didn't know he had a bordello in his basement!

On Capitol Hill no less.

Capital hill is a bordello.

109 notutopia  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 8:41:24am

re: #72 WriterMom

If any Norweigian authority of any kind gives a shit about him and his participation in that clip, I would be shocked.

I'm with you on that one. His political influence would give him lots of protection in the Norwegian Medical Society. Sad but a fact.
I don't want to ever need medical care in Norway....

110 opnion  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 8:41:26am

Hmmmm, they all want to be martyrs, just not today.

111 WriterMom  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 8:41:47am

re: #84 Occasional Reader

ROFL.

112 yma o hyd  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 8:41:53am

re: #57 lawhawk

The contract for UNWRA ought to be cancelled straightaway - if not for all the reasons you mentioned, then for one very simple and ahrd-nosed one: in the time of credit crunch and recessions worldwide, its a shocking waste of meny which should no longer be made available.
Palestinian refugees have had more monetary support from the UN than Africa - and they had three times as much money as the Marshall Aid given to Europe after WWII.

Thats from that excellent document you linked a few days ago, on international law and the war in Gaza.

113 DeafDog  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 8:41:53am

re: #62 yma o hyd

The sad thing is that, thanks to the incredibly biased reporting in the MFM, people have swallowed the 'Israel kills children and women'-meme, for years.

It will take more than a report by Totten, and mroe than all the IDF videos, to convince the unthinking other wise, especially as these videos are studiously overlooked by the MFM.

All true. I know it's cliched (Blago even trampled over the line), but "truth" is on Israel's side. That matters.....at least to some of us.

114 beblebrox  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 8:42:08am

re: #104 AuntAcid

WWCKD? "What would Captain Kirk do?"

I ask myself that question with shocking regularity.

115 alegrias  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 8:42:09am

re: #88 thefallingman

I love how the story fails to mention that, under the Geneva Conventions, these Hamas leaders are committing a war crime.

* * *
This is a WAR CRIME and its accomplices are all the media photographing & documenting WAR CRIMINALS entering through the hospital's doorway while real wounded are denied medical resources.

116 faraway  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 8:42:19am

flood the basement

117 WriterMom  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 8:42:20am

re: #110 opnion

Very suspicious, no?

118 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 8:42:43am

re: #59 Spider Mensch

"Jerry I'm telling ya! I saw a half hamas ,half pig man in that hospital! They're secretly building an army of hamas pig men in that hospital!"

/kramer

No it's half bear as well. They're resurrecting Manbearpig!

/Al Gore

119 JohnGaltLives  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 8:42:57am

re: #104 AuntAcid

That jalapino burritio I just ate is acting like a horta right now!

120 WriterMom  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 8:43:04am

re: #100 Kenneth

Embigelating.

121 redshirt  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 8:43:07am

re: #96 VegasRick

Rear Admiral

Staff Sergeant.

122 samsgran1948  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 8:43:18am

re: #50 phoenixgirl

can't remember where i heard it.....someone was talking about the arab personality. they lack compassion and empathy. it's been bred out of them.

IIRC, there's a really great article about "shame" cultures on Wiki that explains everything you need to know about the Arab Muslim.

123 yma o hyd  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 8:43:24am

re: #64 taxfreekiller

Deal with the rats in the basement this way.

Back a double decker pig hauler up to the basement window, unload.

Find the other end of the escape tunnel, back a double decker pig hauler up to that entrance, unload.

wait

(Poor piggies!)

124 unrealizedviewpoint  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 8:43:38am

re: #79 shanec99

H

Every Hamas leader should be in a hospital... the psychiatric wing. Under sedation, restraint and constant supervision. They are homicidal, suicidal antisocial beings, who should not have the words human uttered in any sentence that contains a reference to them.

Organized serial killers, sociopaths, psychopaths, that need be destroyed.

125 Occasional Reader  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 8:43:55am

re: #104 AuntAcid

WWCKD? "What would Captain Kirk do?"

Step One: Get laid.

126 Sancho_Pansa  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 8:44:04am

*Call in Joe the "EXTERMINATOR" to get those rats out of those tunnels.

127 shanec99  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 8:44:08am

re: #110 opnion

Hmmmm, they all want to be martyrs, just not today.


They heard that the every one of 72 virgins currently avalable enjoy ham sandwiches, so they decided to wait a bit. Wont go to paradice until the pork lovers are gone.

128 Ford_Prefect  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 8:44:21am

re: #114 beblebrox

I ask myself that question with shocking regularity.

Simple. He would have sex with the alien.

129 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 8:44:29am

re: #60 buzzsawmonkey

What time is it, boys and girls? It's Cask of Amontillado time!

Poe, Poe, Hamas.

130 notutopia  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 8:44:31am

re: #99 taxfreekiller

The re-supply is the problem,same thing Vietnam,the Commie Democrats of those times allowed the VC and NVA to be re-supplied, that got 40,000 American fighting men killed for no reason other than LBj being a no good liar and commie want to be Democrat thug teacher union ape shit piece of crap.

We now repeat that ugly thing, only with another countries sons.

You're very right! This resupply that is being allowed of
"humanitarian aid" will prolong this war....as long as they keep pumping in those supplies across that border! These do-gooders have just allowed the green light for this war to continue for a long time....
Irony ey?

131 experiencedtraveller  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 8:44:36am

re: #74 buzzsawmonkey

Montresor was the fellow who walled Fortunato up in the wine cellar.

I wouldn't mind being walled up in a wine cellar. Italian, preferably with a selection from France and well stocked with Barolos, chianti and some Riesling.

132 DeafDog  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 8:44:40am

re: #77 Alouette


Adam Sandler is not Orson Wells. If you were expecting Citizen Kane, you were sure to be disappointed. But it was an entertaining Adam Sandler movie.....good for a few yuks.

133 alegrias  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 8:44:48am

re: #98 JohnGaltLives

I bet the MSM would remember to call it a war crime if it were the IDF hiding out in a hospital.

* * *
The WHOLE global MSM had a field day when the 90 year old Pinochet claimed to be old & sick in a hospital.

Spain's Chief Judge Baltazar Garzon extradited the old guy from a hospital!

Don't hold your breath that HAMAS will be frogmarched out of the hospital before cameras in their openbacked paper patient gowns.

134 faraway  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 8:45:13am

Send in geraldo to unseal the basement doors.

135 redshirt  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 8:45:17am

re: #114 beblebrox

I ask myself that question with shocking regularity.

Scotty's best line ever:
"There's no better diplomacy than a fully charged phaser bank."

136 phoenixgirl  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 8:45:20am

re: #110 opnion

Hmmmm, they all want to be martyrs, just not today.

the leadership are the martyr brokers.....you know the middlemen

137 Nevergiveup  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 8:45:21am

N.Korea says it won't give up nuclear weapons
Published: 01.13.09, 18:22 / Israel News
North Korea said Tuesday it will hold onto its nuclear arsenal until it is satisfied the U.S. is not hiding atomic weapons in South Korea and Washington establishes diplomatic relations with the regime.

The North has long accused Washington of stationing nuclear weapons on the Korean peninsula for a possible attack on the communist nation. Both the South and the U.S. deny having nuclear weapons in South Korea. (AP)

I guess the North Koreans have heard who got elected President.

138 WriterMom  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 8:45:31am

re: #122 samsgran1948

Actually, there is a full book on it: The Closed Circle, by David Pryce-Jones.

139 WriterMom  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 8:46:15am

re: #136 phoenixgirl

Are you suggesting that the whole shahid thing is a MARTYR PONZI SCHEME?

/broken hearted

140 faraway  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 8:46:24am

Snakes in a basement

141 Bloodnok  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 8:46:53am

Whine cellar.

142 Dustyvet  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 8:46:54am

Hamas using children in combat support roles.

No surprise in that one!

Hamas agrees to Turkish force in Rafah

Getting ready to cave in eh?

143 yma o hyd  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 8:46:54am

re: #75 karmic_inquisitor

I can see everyone learning about it once Hamas is deposed and it is safe to reveal. Then the Sunday talk shows will feature a 3 minute "introspection segment" where journalists ask if they had done something wrong. They will then pronounce themselves to have a clean bill of health.

They are pronouncing themselves as having a clean bill of health already, their hands area always clean, they never do wrong, even under such terribly difficult circumstances ...

144 eschew_obfuscation  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 8:47:03am

re: #88 thefallingman

I love how the story fails to mention that, under the Geneva Conventions, these Hamas leaders are committing a war crime.

... But Hamas is not a signatory to the conventions!

/Jimmy the Dhimmi Carter

145 JohnGaltLives  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 8:47:17am

re: #133 alegrias

Open backed paper gowns? Ugh. Just the thought of the site of all those hairy backed criminals on TV is going to give me nightmares.

146 reine.de.tout  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 8:47:18am

Apologies to all who've seen this before, since I've posted it a couple of times already.

I just think this is such a revealing video, I wanted to put it up one more time for anyone who has missed it, and this is the last time I'll link to it.

The video has some black screens dividing different sections, but it does continue on so watch the whole thing.

Again, apologies to all for whom this is a repeat.


Hamas Exploitation of Civilians as Human Shields

147 faraway  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 8:47:29am

Cellar Dwellers

148 opinionated  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 8:47:45am

re: #137 Nevergiveup

N.Korea says it won't give up nuclear weapons

Heck of a job, Condi.

Bolton always Right. Rice always wrong.

149 The Optimist  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 8:48:13am

Most hospitals have their morgue in the basement. How appropriate. It would eliminate the transportation time for dead Hamas if they were killed in the morgue to begin with.

150 Wishing  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 8:48:32am

I am first in line to slap the crap out of Rice.
I cannot stand that woman.

151 Dustyvet  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 8:48:37am

re: #125 Occasional Reader

Step One: Get laid.

Step two: Send in a Platoon of Red Shirts with Phasers on Stun.

152 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 8:48:40am

re: #104 AuntAcid

WWCKD? "What would Captain Kirk do?"

Better question: What would Capt. Lewis Millett do?

Answer: "Use grenades and cold steel!" That would be a sure cure for whatever ails a terrorist.

153 smokefire  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 8:48:54am
154 faraway  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 8:49:10am

Sarah Palin

yesterday the Anchorage Daily News, they called again to ask — double-, triple-, quadruple-check — who is Trig's real mom

155 notutopia  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 8:49:27am

re: #150 Wishing

I am first in line to slap the crap out of Rice.
I cannot stand that woman.


I'll be right behind you...reaching around you...a four hand slap!

156 AuntAcid  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 8:49:34am

re: #81 Bloodnok

Since they are in a hospital that makes them Hippocratical cowards, too.

The Hamas leadership could hangout on the roof and be safe but he basement is probably where the Palis keep all their mental patients. That said, how would you know if a Pali was nuts given their "normal" angry state of mind?

157 [deleted]  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 8:49:54am
158 lawhawk  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 8:49:58am

re: #125 Occasional Reader

Step One: Get laid.

Step 2: See Step 1.

159 Nevergiveup  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 8:50:20am

re: #148 opinionated

Heck of a job, Condi.

Bolton always Right. Rice always wrong.

Actually I'm not sure if they really have a workable, deliverable Nuclear weapon. If I remember their big test was kinda a flop? But anyway, we should have finished this 50 years ago.

160 karmic_inquisitor  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 8:50:34am

re: #137 Nevergiveup

N.Korea says it won't give up nuclear weapons
Published: 01.13.09, 18:22 / Israel News
North Korea said Tuesday it will hold onto its nuclear arsenal until it is satisfied the U.S. is not hiding atomic weapons in South Korea and Washington establishes diplomatic relations with the regime.

The North has long accused Washington of stationing nuclear weapons on the Korean peninsula for a possible attack on the communist nation. Both the South and the U.S. deny having nuclear weapons in South Korea. (AP)

I guess the North Koreans have heard who got elected President.

What is especially stupid about that claim by North Korea is that it is far easier for the US to park a sub off of her coast as an underwater nuclear missile barge. Dragging nukes around over land requires a long logistical chain of vehicles that are pretty easy to observe.

161 WriterMom  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 8:50:51am

re: #125 Occasional Reader

Step 2-get laid
Step 3-get laid
Step 4-get laid
Step 5-get laid.

162 thefallingman  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 8:50:57am

re: #144 eschew_obfuscation

... But Hamas is not a signatory to the conventions!

/Jimmy the Dhimmi Carter

True

163 smokefire  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 8:51:17am

OT,

Hillary still babbling at Senate hearings, re: her confirmation as Secretary of State.

Will someone please shut this bitch up.

164 WriterMom  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 8:51:17am

re: #158 lawhawk

ACK. You beat me to it.

165 Shr_Nfr  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 8:51:36am

I still recommend the gopher treatment any time the find one of these tunnels. Enough diesel exhaust would flush them out.

166 albusteve  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 8:51:44am

re: #152 Dark_Falcon

Better question: What would Capt. Lewis Millett do?

Answer: "Use grenades and cold steel!" That would be a sure cure for whatever ails a terrorist.

wow...what a beast!...salute

167 Nevergiveup  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 8:51:55am

re: #160 karmic_inquisitor

What is especially stupid about that claim by North Korea is that it is far easier for the US to park a sub off of her coast as an underwater nuclear missile barge. Dragging nukes around over land requires a long logistical chain of vehicles that are pretty easy to observe.

I doubt very much we have Nukes in Korea. Why would we? I mean as you say we have subs and carriers and can fly directly from the USA.

168 opnion  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 8:52:01am

re: #99 taxfreekiller

The re-supply is the problem,same thing Vietnam,the Commie Democrats of those times allowed the VC and NVA to be re-supplied, that got 40,000 American fighting men killed for no reason other than LBj being a no good liar and commie want to be Democrat thug teacher union ape shit piece of crap.

We now repeat that ugly thing, only with another countries sons.


LBJ was a rel dirt bag. We couild have defeated the North probably in about a week.
The VC would have withered away without the supporet of the North.
The whole idea that we had to be careful not to alienate the Chineese was a smoke screen. The Chineese & Vitenamese are ancient enemies.

169 beblebrox  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 8:52:07am

re: #125 Occasional Reader

Step One: Get laid.

Actually Step One would probably be to destroy the Kaaba just like he did to Vaal.

170 Wishing  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 8:52:16am

re: #155 notutopia

I'll be right behind you...reaching around you...a four hand slap!

YES!

171 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 8:52:25am

re: #134 faraway

Send in geraldo to unseal the basement doors.

I'm not entirely adverse to using one of Al Capone's tools in clearing out this nest of scum. A Thompson SMG would be a good tool to use at close quarters.

172 beblebrox  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 8:52:30am

re: #135 redshirt

Scotty's best line ever:
"There's no better diplomacy than a fully charged phaser bank."

One of his best.

173 Dustyvet  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 8:52:45am

Hamas "Who's your daddy"

Hamas Crowd "Jimmy Carter"

174 Shr_Nfr  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 8:52:52am

re: #163 smokefire

Yes, this administration will be the Tower of Babble On to be sure.

175 faraway  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 8:52:59am

re: #165 Shr_Nfr

I still recommend the gopher treatment any time the find one of these tunnels. Enough diesel exhaust would flush them out.

RIP: Died of Global warming

176 gop_patriot  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 8:53:21am

re: #169 beblebrox

Actually Step One would probably be to destroy the Kaaba just like he did to Vaal.

Oh, wow. I actually remember that episode.

177 JohnGaltLives  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 8:53:46am

re: #165 Shr_Nfr

I think Bill Murry tried that in Caddy Shack. NO, correct that, he tried water. In the end, it was C4 that flushed the little vermin out.

178 shanec99  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 8:53:56am
Palestinian sources told Haaretz that not all the senior Hamas leaders are hiding in one place.

No some hide under their Mommy's burquas, or their sister's beds.
The only time Hamas gunmen are brave is when they are performing honor killings on 12 year old girls.

179 albusteve  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 8:54:03am

re: #165 Shr_Nfr

I still recommend the gopher treatment any time the find one of these tunnels. Enough diesel exhaust would flush them out.

the idea is to prevent them from blowing the place...they should blockade it...bring in the media, then force the UN to advise them what to do about it...see what shakes out from there

180 Ford_Prefect  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 8:54:07am

re: #161 WriterMom

Step 2-get laid
Step 3-get laid
Step 4-get laid
Step 5-get laid.

Just imagine how many human/alien hybrids there are out there thanks to Kirk.

181 yma o hyd  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 8:54:08am

re: #101 Nevergiveup

I am sure all of us here would like the IDF Special Forces to do that, but what a mess it could turn into. Israeli casualties, "innocent" Palestinians, destroying whole sections of the city and civilian infrastructure, and all the bullshit with UN, EU, And the MSM. And what if Hamas has wired the Hospital and blows it and blames it on Israel.

I recommend Aaron Cohen's book 'Brotherhood of Warriors' - which I put up in the 'Books'-spin-offs yesterday.
Having read that, I'm sure they will deal with this quietly, efficiently and without mess - unforseeable accidents always excepted.

If Hamas blows the hospital, the IDF will have evidence that it was indeed Hamas and not the IDF.
If hamas blows the hospital in a glorious martyrdom-mass suicide, they will surely want the kudos for that and won't let their 'sacrifice' go unnoticed!

182 carefulnow  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 8:54:21am
IIRC, there's a really great article about "shame" cultures on Wiki that explains everything you need to know about the Arab Muslim.

Where? [Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

183 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 8:54:42am

re: #169 beblebrox

Actually Step One would probably be to destroy the Kaaba just like he did to Vaal.

Oh no, destroying the Kaaba would bring on a far worse war.

184 samsgran1948  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 8:54:45am

re: #68 albusteve

I am fairly confident this behavior will shake out...as for this particular situation the Israelis should document it as best they can and put the whole thing on hold while everybody looks at what Hamas has done

It's a great concept, but a) how do you get get people to view the documentation because you know damn well the MSM will not print or show any evidence damaging to Hamas, and b) how do you get the public to accept the truth of what they are seeing? Quite frankly, I would expect most liberals and Pali-supporters to claim that the evidence is forged.

185 opinionated  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 8:54:48am
Shifa Hospital complex in Gaza City, which was refurbished during Israel’s occupation of the Gaza Strip. ...

More proof that those Juice are genocidal monsters.

186 smokefire  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 8:54:49am

re: #165 Shr_Nfr

I still recommend the gopher treatment any time the find one of these tunnels. Enough diesel exhaust would flush them out.

I am guessing this is what you mean

187 [deleted]  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 8:54:58am
188 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 8:55:32am

re: #173 Dustyvet

Hamas "Who's your daddy mommy"

Hamas Crowd "Jimmy Carter"

Fixed (given that Carter is a pussy)

189 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 8:55:43am

re: #132 DeafDog

Adam Sandler is not Orson Wells. If you were expecting Citizen Kane, you were sure to be disappointed. But it was an entertaining Adam Sandler movie.....good for a few yuks.

Adam Sandler has made a few entertaining movies (50 First Dates, Chuck & Larry) but Zohan was an all-time SUCK.

190 notutopia  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 8:55:58am

re: #180 Ford_Prefect

Just imagine how many human/alien hybrids there are out there thanks to Kirk.

Just take a look at Zombies latest pixs of the human
diversity... Kirk has been busy here on earth as well...

191 WriterMom  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 8:55:59am

re: #178 shanec99

Or splicing the clitoris off the girls when they are a little younger.

192 faraway  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 8:56:07am

re: #186 smokefire

I am guessing this is what you mean

I knew you would come thru on this, smokefire

193 Oh no...Sand People!  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 8:56:27am

re: #66 WriterMom

In my opinion, the only thing that separates Palestinians is whether they are Christians or Muslims (because the whole world has forgotten anyway that there were Palestinian Jews). If they are Palestinian Muslims, it really doesn't matter to which party they pledge allegience because the aims of Fatah and Hamas are actually remarkably similar (ie: Death to the Juice)! It's just a matter of 'who will give me more aid', and 'who is less likely to throw me off a building', or 'who will pay me more to sacrifice my children'.

That's kind of what I was thinking. It's not like there is any actual physical trait or characteristic that one could use to identify one from the other. Just ideology that is pretty much ...all the same.

194 alegrias  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 8:56:37am

Hillary Clinton Could Handle Cowering Hamas Leaders Hiding in the Hospital Basement...

Just Imagine it!

She put up with Arafat as her most frequent houseguest in the Lincoln BR of the White House.

195 faraway  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 8:56:44am

re: #191 WriterMom

Or splicing the clitoris off the girls when they are a little younger.

What's that go for on eBay nowadays?
/

196 Dustyvet  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 8:56:49am

Hamas on Monday raided some 100 aid trucks that Israel had allowed into Gaza, stole their contents and sold them to the highest bidders.

The IDF said that since terminal activity is coordinated with UNRWA and the Red Cross, Israel could do nothing to prevent such raids, Israel Radio reported.

Between 10 a.m. to 1 p.m., the army had ceased all military activity in Gaza and once again established a “humanitarian corridor” to help facilitate the transfer of the supplies.

The Kerem Shalom and Karni crossings had been opened to allow in the aid trucks.

197 experiencedtraveller  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 8:56:54am

re: #155 notutopia

I'll be right behind you...reaching around you...a four hand slap!

Do it quick. Obama said he will outlaw the reach around 4 hand slap his first day in office.

198 samsgran1948  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 8:57:06am

re: #138 WriterMom

Actually, there is a full book on it: The Closed Circle, by David Pryce-Jones.

I think I tried to get my hands on that, but it's out of print and the copies available on various sites are way too expensive for my budget. I'd love to read that some time.

199 yma o hyd  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 8:57:07am

re: #142 Dustyvet

Hamas using children in combat support roles.

No surprise in that one!

Hamas agrees to Turkish force in Rafah

Getting ready to cave in eh?

Heh.
Getting ready to defensively tunnel-in, more like!

200 smokefire  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 8:57:10am

re: #192 faraway

I knew you would come thru on this, smokefire

...........I try my best.

201 realwest  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 8:57:13am

re: #150 Wishing
With all due respect, Condi does what Bush either tells her to do or approves of what she says/does.
She does not "freelance" foreign policy.
Course now with Hillary, who knows?
:)

202 opnion  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 8:57:18am

re: #127 shanec99

They heard that the every one of 72 virgins currently avalable enjoy ham sandwiches, so they decided to wait a bit. Wont go to paradice until the pork lovers are gone.

That has to be the reason, cause as we all know the Hamas guys are heroic Holy Warriors, or not.

203 x-wing  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 8:57:24am

re: #178 shanec99


No some hide under their Mommy's burquas, or their sister's beds.
The only time Hamas gunmen are brave is when they are performing honor killings on 12 year old girls.

Big tuff guys.

I like your avatar mon.

204 beblebrox  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 8:57:30am

re: #183 Dark_Falcon

Oh no, destroying the Kaaba would bring on a far worse war.

Hey, I'm just speculating as to what James T. Kirk would do in this situation. It wouldn't be the 1st time he risked all out war in a desperate gamble.

205 notutopia  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 8:57:34am

re: #191 WriterMom

Or splicing the clitoris off the girls when they are a little younger.

WINCE ! I cannot even begin to ponder such pain!

206 shanec99  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 8:58:00am

re: #191 WriterMom

Or splicing the clitoris off the girls when they are a little younger.


How did I forget that quaint cultural custom?

207 unrealizedviewpoint  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 8:58:11am

re: #191 WriterMom

Or splicing the clitoris off the girls when they are a little younger.

They do that in Palestine? I thought that was an African Muslim (sick) ritual.

208 albusteve  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 8:58:19am

re: #184 samsgran1948

It's a great concept, but a) how do you get get people to view the documentation because you know damn well the MSM will not print or show any evidence damaging to Hamas, and b) how do you get the public to accept the truth of what they are seeing? Quite frankly, I would expect most liberals and Pali-supporters to claim that the evidence is forged.

doesnt matter....just do it and see what happens...there is nothing to lose...the IDF can deal with Hamas and the building several ways....the idea is to try and expose some hypocricy here...nothing venture nothing gained

209 opinionated  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 8:58:20am

re: #196 Dustyvet

Hamas on Monday raided some 100 aid trucks that Israel had allowed into Gaza, stole their contents and sold them to the highest bidders.

What was the UN cut?

210 Mike in Georgia  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 8:58:25am

Flood the basement and wait for the rats to swim out.

211 WriterMom  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 8:58:26am

re: #193 Oh no...Sand People!

Well, maybe colour-coded keffiyehs or someting...

But see if you can tell the difference: Fatah or Hamas.

212 DeafDog  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 8:58:53am

re: #189 Alouette

Adam Sandler has made a few entertaining movies (50 First Dates, Chuck & Larry) but Zohan was an all-time SUCK.

We can agree to disagree. Zohan was not as good as 50 First Dates, but it was better than Chuck&Larry. The best Sandler movie, IMO, is Happy Gilmore.

BTW - Anyone been watching 24? It's returned to it's old form. Very entertaining.

213 dhg4  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 8:59:07am

I guess it shouldn't be a surprise but Time Magazine is acting as chief propaganda officer for Hamas. Note that the Ha'aretz article reports:

The Israeli civil administration in the territories constructed the hospital complex's Building Number 2, which has a large cement basement that housed the hospital's laundry and various administrative services.

During a cabinet meeting a week ago, Shin Bet chief Yuval Diskin said senior Hamas officials found refuge in the hospital basement because they know Israel would not target it, due to the patients in the upper floors. Palestinian sources told Haaretz that not all the senior Hamas leaders are hiding in one place.

Now here's Time's Tim McGirk:

Israeli military officials allege that at the start of the conflict, Hamas' commanders took refuge in the basement of Gaza's main hospital, Shifa, knowing that Israel would never risk the international outrage that would result from bombing a hospital. But Shifa's director, Dr. Hussain Ashaur, denied the allegation and allowed TIME to tour the basement, which was teeming with patients waiting for X-rays and ultrasounds. "Every room was busy with patients and doctors. It always is," said TIME's Azmy Keshawi.

Two things.

1) Ha'aretz describes it as a "hospital complex." In contrast Time's Hamas shill "toured the basement." A complex suggests more than one building. Clearly Time's shill was shown a single basement, not all the basements.
2) Ha'aretz reported that the basement of the building in question was populated with laundries and administrative offices. Time's shill talks about patients waiting for X-rays and ultrasounds. Clearly we're not talking about the same basement.

I'd add that in the Ha'aretz article, "Palestinian sources" don't contradict Diskin's charge, they qualify it and say the Hamas leaders were moving around.

Hamas played a shell game with Time and won.

214 unreconstructed rebel  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 8:59:18am
... the Shifa Hospital complex in Gaza City, which was refurbished during Israel’s occupation of the Gaza Strip.


I am surprised the place was still standing. Shit, the Palis sure did tear everything else down once Israel withdrew.

215 karmic_inquisitor  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 8:59:18am

I found the tool to get these guys out of the basement ...

The Rodex 4000

Watch the video and imagine whirled peas.

216 smokefire  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 8:59:26am

re: #194 alegrias

Image: hil.kiss.suha.jpg


Anyone remember this?

217 Rednek  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 8:59:42am

Clinton outlines her diplomatic philosophy today

Borrowing a phrase meant to signal a move away from the militarization of U.S. foreign policy, Clinton said, "We must use what has been called `smart power,' the full range of tools at our disposal. With `smart power,' diplomacy will be the vanguard of foreign policy."

If anyone is curious, she is using a Buzz Word coined by the Center for Stategic and International Studies.

If you want an idea of what that will mean in the future, I suggest you study what they have on the web site.

I doubt they will mention anything about charitable contributions, however.

218 ThinkRight  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 8:59:43am

re: #137 Nevergiveup

N.Korea says it won't give up nuclear weapons
Published: 01.13.09, 18:22 / Israel News
North Korea said Tuesday it will hold onto its nuclear arsenal until it is satisfied the U.S. is not hiding atomic weapons in South Korea and Washington establishes diplomatic relations with the regime.

The North has long accused Washington of stationing nuclear weapons on the Korean peninsula for a possible attack on the communist nation. Both the South and the U.S. deny having nuclear weapons in South Korea. (AP)

I guess the North Koreans have heard who got elected President.


And our nukes could make it to them from anywhere in the world
Theirs ?Not so much

219 samsgran1948  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 8:59:58am

re: #125 Occasional Reader

Step One: Get laid.

Step two: Have himself, his exec and most of the Enterprise's command chain transported off the ship.

220 Occasional Reader  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 9:00:03am

re: #212 DeafDog

BTW - Anyone been watching 24? It's returned to it's old form. Very entertaining.

TELL US THE PLOT SUMMARY! TELL US! TELL US AND YOU'LL RECEIVE MEDICAL ATTENTION!

221 Caboose  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 9:00:22am

OT:

I need some advice. Is it really, really bad of me to hope that Washington DC gets hit with some extremely heavy snow and ice accumulations before and during the Chosen One's inauguration? I mean, blizzard conditions, zero-visibility, nothing moving, everyone (safely) stuck inside, etc. The power stays on and this condition only lasts a couple of days (if that long) on either side of the date, no major fatalities (you know there are going to be a few dummies that go out and get themselves killed through their own stupidity, but then they likely voted for The One...). So, does wishing, hoping, praying for this make me a bad guy? B-D

222 shanec99  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 9:00:29am

re: #203 x-wing

Big tuff guys.

I like your avatar mon.


Why thank you... wait until White Rasta sees that I beat him to it.

223 opnion  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 9:00:38am

re: #183 Dark_Falcon

Oh no, destroying the Kaaba would bring on a far worse war.

Don't you think that destruction of the Kaaba would shake the very foundation of Islam. They believe it to be indestructible.

224 debutaunt  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 9:00:38am

re: #220 Occasional Reader

TELL US THE PLOT SUMMARY! TELL US! TELL US AND YOU'LL RECEIVE MEDICAL ATTENTION!

Cool! And then what happened?

225 WriterMom  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 9:00:39am

re: #206 shanec99

Don't worry-that's what I'm here for...

226 beblebrox  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 9:00:40am

no, what they need is one of these:

227 smokefire  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 9:00:43am

re: #205 notutopia

try thinking about a having a kidney stone?

For men, it's the closest thing to child birth

228 alegrias  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 9:01:32am

re: #213 dhg4

I guess it shouldn't be a surprise but Time Magazine is acting as chief propaganda officer for Hamas. Note that the Ha'aretz article reports:


Two things.

1) Ha'aretz describes it as a "hospital complex." In contrast Time's Hamas shill "toured the basement." A complex suggests more than one building. Clearly Time's shill was shown a single basement, not all the basements.
2) Ha'aretz reported that the basement of the building in question was populated with laundries and administrative offices. Time's shill talks about patients waiting for X-rays and ultrasounds. Clearly we're not talking about the same basement.

I'd add that in the Ha'aretz article, "Palestinian sources" don't contradict Diskin's charge, they qualify it and say the Hamas leaders were moving around.

Hamas played a shell game with Time and won.

* * *
"Time" magazine is a shill enabling Hamas to play for time & $$$.
Time is a willing accomplice in WAR CRIMES.

229 Haole  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 9:01:34am

Go all out, Flood the basement with pig blood. Then turkey shoot.

230 [deleted]  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 9:01:57am
231 opinionated  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 9:01:58am

re: #207 unrealizedviewpoint

They do that in Palestine? I thought that was an African Muslim (sick) ritual.

There is no Palestine.

In Israel, it's not clitoris cutting but Arabs still murder their sisters.

Teenager suspected of murdering sister

Police on Monday morning detained a 15-year-old youth from Kalansuwa, an Arab Israeli village in the center of the country, on suspicion of murdering his 20-year-old sister for 'violating' the family's honor.

The arrest took place after the father of the family called the police station in Taibe and said "my son murdered his sister", according to police reports.

[Link: www.jpost.com...]

232 WriterMom  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 9:02:10am

re: #220 Occasional Reader

TORTURE! I'm reporting you to the umm..whatever authorities! TORTURE. MEAN AMERICAN TORTURE GUY!

233 shanec99  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 9:02:12am

re: #207 unrealizedviewpoint

They do that in Palestine? I thought that was an African Muslim (sick) ritual.


Its also petty common in Egypt... big Arab population, in Djibouti about 40% Arabs (the Afari people), and a few other regions where the Arabs are plentiful.

234 DeafDog  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 9:02:16am

re: #220 Occasional Reader

TELL US THE PLOT SUMMARY! TELL US! TELL US AND YOU'LL RECEIVE MEDICAL ATTENTION!

.....I guess that means you're waiting for the DVD.

235 Ron Shaw  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 9:02:18am

The list so far;

1. Innocent women and children used as human shields.

2. Mosques used for shields, hiding, weapons storage and base-of-operation attacks.

3. Ambulances used for terrorist thug transport, operations, weapon carriers, thug protection as mobile shields.

4. Schools used as arsenals, military operations and rocket attacks.

5. News media used routinely for propaganda through staged theatrics.

6. Hospitals and suffering patients used as human shields and hospitals used as 'defensive' bunkers.

7. Ridiculously labeled 'defensive' tunnels used for anything and everything offensive other than defense.

...and still BHO wants to have a sit-down with them...unfortunately, Hamas has seized this grossly stupid statement by Obama and run with it by offering a pre-condition for our next ruler...Obama must first deny and/or condemn Israel before the sit-down can commence...pre-conditions dictated by a terrorist organization to the next POTUS who was so naive as to think his words will not be used against him, the office of the POTUS the USA and actually the free world...dude's an idiot folks...are we surprised yet?

236 Dustyvet  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 9:02:21am

re: #227 smokefire

try thinking about a having a kidney stone?

For men, it's the closest thing to child birth

Thank God for Vicadon...:)

237 Ford_Prefect  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 9:02:22am

re: #202 opnion

That has to be the reason, cause as we all know the Hamas guys are heroic Holy Warriors, or not.

Actually the reason is because they found out the 72 virgins all look like this.

238 realwest  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 9:02:32am

re: #101 Nevergiveup
"And what if Hamas has wired the Hospital and blows it and blames it on Israel."
What makes you think they won't do that anyway? Even if no Israeli soldier gets within a half-a mile of that hospital?

239 unrealizedviewpoint  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 9:02:50am

re: #221 Caboose

OT:

I need some advice. Is it really, really bad of me to hope that Washington DC gets hit with some extremely heavy snow and ice accumulations before and during the Chosen One's inauguration? I mean, blizzard conditions, zero-visibility, nothing moving, everyone (safely) stuck inside, etc. The power stays on and this condition only lasts a couple of days (if that long) on either side of the date, no major fatalities (you know there are going to be a few dummies that go out and get themselves killed through their own stupidity, but then they likely voted for The One...). So, does wishing, hoping, praying for this make me a bad guy? B-D

If one is wishing for the death of people. That would make one a bad guy.

240 WriterMom  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 9:02:58am

re: #231 opinionated

There was another one in Turkey yesterday. A sixteen year old rape victim was murdered by her brother after she gave birth. The family honour is now restored!

241 Kenneth  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 9:03:45am

re: #57 lawhawk

Oh, and UNRWA bears culpability for this situation as well:

Apparently none of UNRWA's officials on the ground seem to notice that Hamas has coopted their operations, openly operates in UNRWA refugee camps, using Palestinians as human shields, and is running up a body count right under UNRWA nosesl.

UNRWA staff see it, they know about it, they support it, the lie about it and cover for the terrorists. I'm fed up with their complicity.

242 bulwrk  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 9:03:47am

re: #167 Nevergiveup

I doubt very much we have Nukes in Korea. Why would we? I mean as you say we have subs and carriers and can fly directly from the USA.

We have tactical nukes for battle field use,subs and carriers are strategic assets.

243 WriterMom  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 9:03:50am

re: #237 Ford_Prefect

GAAAAAAAAA. That's pretty bad.

244 smokefire  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 9:04:19am

re: #236 Dustyvet

Thank God for Vicadon...:)

or morphine.

245 opinionated  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 9:04:26am

re: #240 WriterMom

There was another one in Turkey yesterday. A sixteen year old rape victim was murdered by her brother after she gave birth. The family honour is now restored!

Allah Akbar

246 debutaunt  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 9:04:30am

re: #240 WriterMom

Sweet brotherly honor.

247 shanec99  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 9:04:33am

re: #225 WriterMom

Don't worry-that's what I'm here for...


You are here to remind me about FGM? Heavens ... that barbaric practice is unbelievably traumatic... please don't remind me.

248 Leonidas Hoplite  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 9:05:03am

The irony. Islamic terrorists hiding, hiding (as in, cowering, becasue they are cowards) in a hospital built by Jews. If they were in any other city in the world, say, London, or Amersterdam, wouldn't they be in danger of being heretics, or something?

249 WriterMom  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 9:05:07am

re: #221 Caboose

Yes. That is bad. Suck it up-he's your President elect and do what you can to make the next round better for your country.

250 Ford_Prefect  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 9:05:16am

re: #243 WriterMom

GAAAAAAAAA. That's pretty bad.

No wonder the porn industry is looking for a bailout.

251 faraway  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 9:05:18am

re: #220 Occasional Reader

TELL US THE PLOT SUMMARY! TELL US! TELL US AND YOU'LL RECEIVE MEDICAL ATTENTION!

I hereby authorize waterboarding.

252 Wishing  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 9:05:25am

re: #211 WriterMom

Well, maybe colour-coded keffiyehs or someting...

But see if you can tell the difference: Fatah or Hamas.

Fatah is the terrorist with blue eyes?

253 eschew_obfuscation  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 9:05:34am

re: #212 DeafDog

We can agree to disagree. Zohan was not as good as 50 First Dates, but it was better than Chuck&Larry. The best Sandler movie, IMO, is Happy Gilmore.

BTW - Anyone been watching 24? It's returned to it's old form. Very entertaining.

I love the role they've got Janine Garofolo in. A liberal frustrated by reality ;-)

254 DeafDog  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 9:05:43am

re: #221 Caboose

It does not make you bad, but it might make you delusional. There is actually a science to whether forecasting and blizzard like conditions do not seem to be in the cards...

Washington DC 7 Day outlook

255 WriterMom  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 9:05:45am

re: #247 shanec99

No-not just FGM...just to remind people of stuff-throw little informational tid bits out there.

256 [deleted]  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 9:05:49am
257 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 9:05:56am

re: #213 dhg4

I guess it shouldn't be a surprise but Time Magazine is acting as chief propaganda officer for Hamas. Note that the Ha'aretz article reports:

Two things.

1) Ha'aretz describes it as a "hospital complex." In contrast Time's Hamas shill "toured the basement." A complex suggests more than one building. Clearly Time's shill was shown a single basement, not all the basements.
2) Ha'aretz reported that the basement of the building in question was populated with laundries and administrative offices. Time's shill talks about patients waiting for X-rays and ultrasounds. Clearly we're not talking about the same basement.

I'd add that in the Ha'aretz article, "Palestinian sources" don't contradict Diskin's charge, they qualify it and say the Hamas leaders were moving around.

Hamas played a shell game with Time and won.

Time wanted to only see what they saw. They want to support Hamas, and would have ignored armed terrorists even if they saw them.

258 doppelganglander  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 9:06:19am

Something about the cowardice and incompetence of Hamas makes me think of Wile E. Coyote. I picture them in one of those tunnels surrounded by Acme explosives that will momentarily explode in their faces. Except Wile E. isn't, you know, evil.

259 x-wing  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 9:06:26am

re: #221 Caboose


No it's not bad to think like that.

One million dummies freezing their asses off to watch a Marxist sworn in...They deserve everything they get.

260 yma o hyd  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 9:06:53am

re: #198 samsgran1948

I think I tried to get my hands on that, but it's out of print and the copies available on various sites are way too expensive for my budget. I'd love to read that some time.

It looks to be reprinted in April this year - have just put it on my wish-list.

261 albusteve  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 9:07:08am

re: #241 Kenneth

UNRWA staff see it, they know about it, they support it, the lie about it and cover for the terrorists. I'm fed up with their complicity.

and if Israel and whatever honest journos there are dont even try to call the out then who will?....Israel should march into the UN and start making some demands of it's own....raise some Jew hell!

262 Oh no...Sand People!  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 9:07:09am

re: #211 WriterMom

Well, maybe colour-coded keffiyehs or someting...

But see if you can tell the difference: Fatah or Hamas.

Interesting. I don't see Fatah or Hamas...just Islamist.

263 Ford_Prefect  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 9:07:39am

re: #256 buzzsawmonkey

New! Hamas™ Brand Human Shields!

Preserver your daintiest burkha from unnecessary soiling!

Ensure your undies remain pristine during a shock and awe bombardment!

Hamas™ Brand Human Shields give you strong, long-lasting protection!

I'd hate to see the fine print legal notice on that ad.

264 acwgusa  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 9:08:12am

re: #104 AuntAcid

WWCKD? "What would Captain Kirk do?"

Get me Sisko. He'd beam out the patients, then blow the crap out the enemy. Or get Picard, tell him that the hospital is the Borg, and he'd level it without hesitation.

265 WriterMom  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 9:08:18am

re: #262 Oh no...Sand People!

yup

266 debutaunt  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 9:08:26am

re: #259 x-wing

No it's not bad to think like that.

One million dummies freezing their asses off to watch a Marxist sworn in...They deserve everything they get.

I'm imagining an unclassy lawsuit regarding all the frostbitten toes.

267 dhg4  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 9:08:34am

re: #212 DeafDog

We can agree to disagree. Zohan was not as good as 50 First Dates, but it was better than Chuck&Larry. The best Sandler movie, IMO, is Happy Gilmore.

BTW - Anyone been watching 24? It's returned to it's old form. Very entertaining.


Not yet, but my wife recorded both nights. I hope to start tonight, but we'll see.

268 JohnGaltLives  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 9:08:37am

re: #217 Rednek

Just read the Smart Power report. Wow! We are doomed.

269 Killgore Trout  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 9:08:47am

New IDF release....

Weaponized Mosque

Video taken by IDF forces in the Gaza Strip, reveals how Hamas militants were using a mosque, traditionally a place of worship, as a weapons depot and an area of operation.

270 phoenixgirl  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 9:08:51am

re: #236 Dustyvet

Thank God for Vicadon...:)

i'm allergic to vicadin.......:(

271 faraway  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 9:08:59am

The people of gaza seem to be doing a booming business today.

272 notutopia  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 9:09:09am

re: #213 dhg4

I guess it shouldn't be a surprise but Time Magazine is acting as chief propaganda officer for Hamas. Note that the Ha'aretz article reports:

Two things.

1) Ha'aretz describes it as a "hospital complex." In contrast Time's Hamas shill "toured the basement." A complex suggests more than one building. Clearly Time's shill was shown a single basement, not all the basements.
2) Ha'aretz reported that the basement of the building in question was populated with laundries and administrative offices. Time's shill talks about patients waiting for X-rays and ultrasounds. Clearly we're not talking about the same basement.

I'd add that in the Ha'aretz article, "Palestinian sources" don't contradict Diskin's charge, they qualify it and say the Hamas leaders were moving around.

Hamas played a shell game with Time and won.


The Hamas leaders have been passing out paychecks at these supposed hospital complexes. The buildings in Gaza all connect together by either above ground encasement structures or by below ground basements with tunnels. The Hamas leaders are getting in and out of there by tunnels which connect the complex structures underground. Those that have been in the hospital waiting for above ground transport, are probably posing as hospital "medical helpers" and if that doesn't work, they can always wrap them up as
"dead" and haul them out in the ambulances back to the border. The fact that supplies and UN money are still being allowed into Gaza, tells me this is going to be a prolonged war.

273 doppelganglander  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 9:09:25am

re: #253 eschew_obfuscation

I love the role they've got Janine Garofolo in. A liberal frustrated by reality ;-)

She's surprisingly good. So far the character seems to be an honest person trying to do her job. Of course, in 24-world, that could mean she's the mastermind of the entire Sangalese rebellion.

274 WriterMom  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 9:09:33am

re: #198 samsgran1948

Have you checked the public library? It's a pretty well known book. And Amazon? They always have great second hand books for cheap. I've gotten several hard-to-get books from Amazon.

275 Ford_Prefect  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 9:09:38am

re: #266 debutaunt

I'm imagining an unclassy lawsuit regarding all the frostbitten toes.

No lawsuit necessary. The One will heal them all.

276 dhg4  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 9:09:42am

re: #264 acwgusa

Get me Sisko. He'd beam out the patients, then blow the crap out the enemy. Or get Picard, tell him that the hospital is the Borg, and he'd level it without hesitation.

The problem with Picard is that if they weren't Borg he'd try to understand them first. Very French, really.

277 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 9:09:48am

re: #264 acwgusa

Get me Sisko. He'd beam out the patients, then blow the crap out the enemy. Or get Picard, tell him that the hospital is the Borg, and he'd level it without hesitation.

Kirk would tell the Hamassholes there is a press conference nearby, and when they come out with their human shields to show off all the terrible things the Israelis did, he'd set phasers on stun over the whole area, and then get out the hostages. The rest would vaporized.

278 Occasional Reader  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 9:10:09am

re: #269 Killgore Trout

reveals how Hamas militants were using a mosque, traditionally a place of worship

Actually, also traditionally a military HQ, going right back to Mo' himself. So how dare you judge them with respect to their colorful indigenous customs (etc. etc.).

279 Leonidas Hoplite  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 9:10:12am

re: #274 WriterMom

Have you checked the public library? It's a pretty well known book. And Amazon? They always have great second hand books for cheap. I've gotten several hard-to-get books from Amazon.

Alibris.com is a great source for used and out of print books

280 DeafDog  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 9:10:27am

re: #253 eschew_obfuscation

I love the role they've got Janine Garofolo in. A liberal frustrated by reality ;-)

Art imitates life.

I'm just glad that the personal drama angle is not centered around Jack. In past seasons it would drive me nuts when he was using, er, 'enhanced interrogation' methods one scene and then - in the very next scene - bemoaning that he wasn't always there for his family.

281 LGoPs  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 9:10:33am

Remember when we were kids and played Tag. There was always a 'Safe' zone where you couldn't be touched.
These cowards don't seem to understand that "Safe' doesn't apply in the adult world. In the adult world you play for keeps......

282 Mach1Duck  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 9:10:36am

All that is needed is for one brave soul, terminally ill with a very contagious disease to go down stairs, cough twice and shout Alli-Alli-Outs-In-Free.

283 FrogMarch  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 9:10:39am

TIME magazine--
Supported Obama during the election - now TIME supports HAMAS.

*spit*

284 JohnGaltLives  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 9:10:45am

re: #267 dhg4

Loved the scene in 24 where Buaer tells the Senator off. The scene reminded me of the Iran COntra hearings when Ollie was being grilled by the spineless cowards.

285 Oh no...Sand People!  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 9:10:58am

re: #221 Caboose

OT:

I need some advice. Is it really, really bad of me to hope that Washington DC gets hit with some extremely heavy snow and ice accumulations before and during the Chosen One's inauguration? I mean, blizzard conditions, zero-visibility, nothing moving, everyone (safely) stuck inside, etc. The power stays on and this condition only lasts a couple of days (if that long) on either side of the date, no major fatalities (you know there are going to be a few dummies that go out and get themselves killed through their own stupidity, but then they likely voted for The One...). So, does wishing, hoping, praying for this make me a bad guy? B-D

Eh, the media would just spin it into the claim that it is the Messi'uh's first mini miracle in halting global warming even if only temporarily.

286 realwest  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 9:11:01am

re: #230 buzzsawmonkey
Ditto for me!

287 shanec99  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 9:11:02am

re: #231 opinionated

[Link: www.jpost.com...]


No actually the so Arabs who live around Israel practice FGM. Click on the link:
[Link: www.unfpa.org...]
and click on "in which countries"
It is another of the backward cultural practices that define them, along with honor killings.

288 opnion  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 9:11:08am

re: #253 eschew_obfuscation

I love the role they've got Janine Garofolo in. A liberal frustrated by reality ;-)

I am really unhappy that she is on. I think that I need to get over it.

289 Occasional Reader  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 9:11:16am

Later, as in much (probably).

290 Dustyvet  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 9:11:17am

re: #270 phoenixgirl

i'm allergic to vicadin.......:(

Sorry...:(

291 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 9:11:39am

re: #261 albusteve

and if Israel and whatever honest journos there are dont even try to call the out then who will?....Israel should march into the UN and start making some demands of it's own....raise some Jew hell!

Better do it now; under 0bama, the US will be voting with the Arabs.

292 yma o hyd  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 9:11:54am

re: #228 alegrias

Interesting comment on TIME at the JPost!

293 AuntAcid  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 9:12:23am

re: #240 WriterMom

There was another one in Turkey yesterday. A sixteen year old rape victim was murdered by her brother after she gave birth. The family honour is now restored!

Death is their answer to everything. There is no living with these sick bastards.

294 faraway  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 9:12:38am

kill gore, "weaponized mosque" Redundant?

295 doppelganglander  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 9:12:56am

re: #280 DeafDog

Art imitates life.

I'm just glad that the personal drama angle is not centered around Jack. In past seasons it would drive me nuts when he was using, er, 'enhanced interrogation' methods one scene and then - in the very next scene - bemoaning that he wasn't always there for his family.

We have a bet going that he'll be doing the freckle-faced FBI agent by the end. Also, why is he dressed like a suburban dad going out to rake leaves? I like my Jack in a leather jacket.

296 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 9:13:04am

re: #293 AuntAcid

Death is their answer to everything. There is no living with these sick bastards.

If that is what they want, let them have it.

297 Killgore Trout  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 9:13:08am

Something a little more light hearted.....
Arabs prank old man during pray time

298 debutaunt  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 9:13:19am

re: #275 Ford_Prefect

No lawsuit necessary. The One will heal them all.

A frostbite bailout for all who get chilly on Jan 20.

299 LGoPs  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 9:13:26am

I've never watched 24. My understanding is that the plot line follows the characters through an actual 24 hour period. Wouldn't there be like several weeks of boring epsiodes whare all you saw was Jack sleeping........to be continued........Jack still sleeping...........for about 8 weeks a season......followed by an entire episode of brushing his teeth and showering.........
:)

300 smokefire  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 9:13:33am

re: #285 Oh no...Sand People!

No not really.
However, MSM, will remind everyone that the same thing occurred at JFK's inauguration, and he was sainted by MSM.

301 SurferDoc  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 9:13:37am

re: #288 opnion

I am really unhappy that she is on. I think that I need to get over it.

She will die...probably heroically...but die she will.

302 realwest  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 9:13:59am

re: #236 Dustyvet
Hey Dusty! I thought you passed that kidney stone?
Am wrong or are you just taking the vicodin "just in case it comes back?"! LOL!
How are you today my friend?

303 DeafDog  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 9:14:06am

re: #289 Occasional Reader

Later, as in much (probably).

Didn't McCarther say that?

304 shanec99  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 9:14:09am

re: #255 WriterMom

No-not just FGM...just to remind people of stuff-throw little informational tid bits out there.


I Was being sarcastic.

305 Opinionated  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 9:14:20am

I wish CNN had Internet access.

If they found out about this certainly they would report that a hospital is being used as a terrorist command center.

And if they reported it, I'm certain the human rights organizations would complain.

Maybe if Paul Martin asked Ashraf Mashharawi he could peek in the basement and let them know.

306 Dustyvet  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 9:14:31am

re: #259 x-wing

No it's not bad to think like that.

One million dummies freezing their asses off to watch a Marxist sworn in...They deserve everything they get.

Gee, what a novel idea, a back pack full of Master Locks, and visiting every Porta Pottie in the area...:)

307 Killgore Trout  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 9:14:31am

re: #294 faraway

It's funny that I've seen IDF footage of a few AA guns but haven't seen and AA fire on the webcam. They must be afraid to use them.

308 Caboose  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 9:14:33am

re: #239 unrealizedviewpoint

If one is wishing for the death of people. That would make one a bad guy.

Nope, not wishing for that at all. But you know that if a storm of that magnitude hit a major metropolitan area, there are going to be at least a few deaths that will be attributable to the weather. I certainly would not ever want to have a roof that was overburdened with snow collapse on a group of folks assembled below it or anything else catastrophic like that. I was thinking "Darwin Award" candidates; you know where you have those incidents where chuckleheads that decide that a major storm is a cool time to go out, get likkered up to go do donuts in the car, get wrapped around a telephone pole somewhere and I don't even want that to happen! But you know it does.

309 SurferDoc  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 9:14:35am

re: #299 LGoPs

I've never watched 24. My understanding is that the plot line follows the characters through an actual 24 hour period. Wouldn't there be like several weeks of boring epsiodes whare all you saw was Jack sleeping........to be continued........Jack still sleeping...........for about 8 weeks a season......followed by an entire episode of brushing his teeth and showering.........
:)

Jack does not sleep. Ever. He does, however, pee.

310 Sharmuta  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 9:14:42am

re: #297 Killgore Trout

Remember the thread with the camel jumping? That was some funny shit.

311 eschew_obfuscation  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 9:14:44am

re: #273 doppelganglander

She's surprisingly good. So far the character seems to be an honest person trying to do her job. Of course, in 24-world, that could mean she's the mastermind of the entire Sangalese rebellion.

Yeah, I've suspected that too ;~)

312 Erik The Red  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 9:14:52am

re: #299 LGoPs

I've never watched 24. My understanding is that the plot line follows the characters through an actual 24 hour period. Wouldn't there be like several weeks of boring epsiodes whare all you saw was Jack sleeping........to be continued........Jack still sleeping...........for about 8 weeks a season......followed by an entire episode of brushing his teeth and showering.........
:)

Jack does NOT SLEEP

313 Killgore Trout  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 9:14:59am

re: #310 Sharmuta

That was classic.

314 Kenneth  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 9:15:02am

Forget about the IDF clearing out this hospital. You can bet Hamas has it booby-trapped. Unless all the real patients can be evacuated first, Hamas would murder them all rather than be taken alive.

315 CIA Reject  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 9:15:14am

re: #183 Dark_Falcon

Oh no, destroying the Kaaba would bring on a far worse war.

I wonder if there is some way we can clandestinely replace it with a duplicate made out of Cobalt-60?

316 faraway  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 9:15:32am

The webcam is Israeli

317 JohnGaltLives  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 9:15:34am

re: #299 LGoPs

He is Jack Bauer! He is like Superman. He never sleeps, eats or goes to the head. The show is not boring. I have to DVR it because there are so many nuances that you miss. I have to rewind to catch them all.

318 albusteve  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 9:15:40am

re: #291 Kosh's Shadow

Better do it now; under 0bama, the US will be voting with the Arabs.

fuck Obama...I get tired of hearing what he 'might do'....people are scared shitless of him and the UN...makes me sick

319 Dustyvet  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 9:15:50am

re: #299 LGoPs

I've never watched 24. My understanding is that the plot line follows the characters through an actual 24 hour period. Wouldn't there be like several weeks of boring epsiodes whare all you saw was Jack sleeping........to be continued........Jack still sleeping...........for about 8 weeks a season......followed by an entire episode of brushing his teeth and showering.........
:)

Jack never sleeps...:) Sort of like the Energizer Bunny...:)

320 scottishbuzzsaw  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 9:15:55am

re: #292 yma o hyd

Interesting comment on TIME at the JPost!

From your link:

Commenting wryly in his blog for Time competitor The Atlantic, Jeffrey Goldberg, a Jewish journalist who has spent time reporting in Gaza, said, "It got me thinking: Which one will last longer - Israel, or Time magazine? I'm betting on Israel."

No question about that, thankfully.

321 realwest  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 9:16:00am

re: #239 unrealizedviewpoint
Uh, I don't think he was "wishing" for anyone to die, simply stating that some idjits would go out ANYWAY and probably die because of the elements of nature.
But hoping or wishing that they do? Nope, don't think he did.

322 lawhawk  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 9:16:03am

MSNBC has an interesting report about 10 conflicts that get short shrift in the press (who else to blame but the media itself for ignoring these conflicts and their underlying causes), but the MSNBC report omits three other conflicts, and it's curious as to which ones and why:

The Thai Islamist Insurgency; The Pakistan/India Border; MILF Insurgency in the Philippines.

The common thread? Islamic jihad and the fight to establish Islamic regimes.

You want hotspots that Obama will have to deal with in coming years? There's your hotspots.

323 Dianna  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 9:16:08am

re: #314 Kenneth

Forget about the IDF clearing out this hospital. You can bet Hamas has it booby-trapped. Unless all the real patients can be evacuated first, Hamas would murder them all rather than be taken alive.

Yes.

324 Summersong  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 9:16:33am

There is no end to the BS these "warriors" pull.

There is no reason, ever, to believe anything they say.

325 eschew_obfuscation  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 9:16:38am

re: #280 DeafDog

Art imitates life.

I'm just glad that the personal drama angle is not centered around Jack. In past seasons it would drive me nuts when he was using, er, 'enhanced interrogation' methods one scene and then - in the very next scene - bemoaning that he wasn't always there for his family.

Yeah, for a while every episode had to have a "personal moment" to break up the mayhem.

326 debutaunt  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 9:17:05am

re: #297 Killgore Trout

Something a little more light hearted.....
Arabs prank old man during pray time



Islam can be lots of fun!

327 faraway  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 9:17:24am

MILF insurgency? Oh my.

328 DeafDog  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 9:17:33am

re: #295 doppelganglander

We have a bet going that he'll be doing the freckle-faced FBI agent by the end. Also, why is he dressed like a suburban dad going out to rake leaves? I like my Jack in a leather jacket.

Put my dollar in at 5pm-6pm episode. (It sure didn't take long for 'Freckles' to be corrupted by Jack in her professional life.)

329 dhg4  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 9:17:43am

re: #309 SurferDoc

Jack does not sleep.

However he does die and get revived - twice. (I'm not counting season 6, where only faked dying.)

330 lawhawk  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 9:17:46am

re: #314 Kenneth

That's saying that Hamas hasn't already been busy killing people it suspects of being collaborators in those same hospitals. Hamas cares nothing for human lives - only jihad.

331 Sharmuta  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 9:18:01am

re: #326 debutaunt

Islam can be lots of fun!

So much fun, it's killer.

332 Leonidas Hoplite  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 9:18:14am

re: #322 lawhawk

MSNBC has an interesting report about 10 conflicts that get short shrift in the press (who else to blame but the media itself for ignoring these conflicts and their underlying causes), but the MSNBC report omits three other conflicts, and it's curious as to which ones and why:

The Thai Islamist Insurgency; The Pakistan/India Border; MILF Insurgency in the Philippines.

The common thread? Islamic jihad and the fight to establish Islamic regimes.

You want hotspots that Obama will have to deal with in coming years? There's your hotspots.

Where do I sign up to fight the MILF insurgency?

333 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 9:18:18am

re: #318 albusteve

fuck Obama...I get tired of hearing what he 'might do'....people are scared shitless of him and the UN...makes me sick

I'm not scared of him, but facts on the ground are harder to undo; Israel needs to be in the best position possible before he takes office.

334 Opinionated  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 9:18:20am

re: #319 Dustyvet

Jack never sleeps...:)

Or takes a toilet break. Which may explain- come to think of it- that constant pained expression on his face.

335 LGoPs  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 9:18:30am

re: #327 faraway

MILF insurgency? Oh my.

What does MILF mean? I see it a lot but honestly can't figure out what it stands for.....

336 Erik The Red  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 9:18:35am

re: #319 Dustyvet

Jack never sleeps...:) Sort of like the Energizer Bunny...:)

Hey Dv. Don't ruin the plot line. It hasn't started here yet. I think it will start in about 4 weeks:(

337 notutopia  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 9:18:43am

re: #297 Killgore Trout

Something a little more light hearted.....
Arabs prank old man during pray time

Kilgore, explain the prank please.

338 lawhawk  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 9:18:44am

re: #327 faraway

Moro Island Liberation Front

MILF does not stand for that other kind of insurgency that can happen... in your pants... /

339 samsgran1948  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 9:18:48am

re: #260 yma o hyd

It looks to be reprinted in April this year - have just put it on my wish-list.

Thanks for the heads up! I will now hustle over to my wholesaler and order myself a copy.

340 LGoPs  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 9:19:09am

re: #334 Opinionated

Or takes a toilet break. Which may explain- come to think of it- that constant pained expression on his face.

And why he's always opissed off......
:)

341 Dustyvet  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 9:19:38am

re: #336 Erik The Red

Hey Dv. Don't ruin the plot line. It hasn't started here yet. I think it will start in about 4 weeks:(

Otays...I stand mute...:)

342 phoenixgirl  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 9:19:42am

re: #326 debutaunt

Islam can be lots of fun!

sometimes they almost die laughing!

343 doppelganglander  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 9:19:45am

re: #309 SurferDoc

Jack does not sleep. Ever. He does, however, pee.

Only during commercial breaks. He also has a magic cell phone that never runs out of battery power and can always get a signal.

344 eschew_obfuscation  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 9:19:51am

re: #318 albusteve

fuck Obama...I get tired of hearing what he 'might do'....people are scared shitless of him and the UN...makes me sick

I actually think his presidency could be one of the most "representative" of the will of the people. I fully expect him to go in whatever direction the popular wind is blowing, buffeted about by polls. And, of course, he'll bend over for the dem leadership in congress.

345 smokefire  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 9:19:55am
I'm not scared of him, but facts on the ground are harder to undo; Israel needs to be in the best position possible before he takes office.

So what else is new. Israel more or less on it's own.

346 jorline  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 9:20:01am

Good morning, Lizards.

Long live the rooster.

347 Killgore Trout  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 9:20:02am

re: #337 notutopia

They dig a hole behind him while he's praying so he falls over when he stands up.

348 faraway  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 9:20:03am

re: #338 lawhawk

Moro Island Liberation Front

MILF does not stand for that other kind of insurgency that can happen... in your pants... /

I was thinking about a surge.

349 Leonidas Hoplite  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 9:20:19am

re: #338 lawhawk

Moro Island Liberation Front

MILF does not stand for that other kind of insurgency that can happen... in your pants... /


Dang. Well, the other insurgency does have to be fought almost everyday...

350 Ron Shaw  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 9:20:50am

re: #227 smokefire

try thinking about a having a kidney stone?

For men, it's the closest thing to child birth

...the only good thing about the five I've had over the years...no college tuitions!

Had a friend who knows of my KS experiences call the other day and say he thought he was having a kidney stone event and wanted to tell me about his symptoms...after I stopped laughing, told him if he were having a KS event he would be calling '911' and not me...if he could, that is!

Two words...Demerol or Dilaudid!

351 realwest  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 9:20:57am

re: #254 DeafDog
"There is actually a science to whether forecasting" - so how come they can't tell me what the weather will be on Thursday with anything other than a 50% chance of being right?!?
:)

352 x-wing  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 9:20:57am

re: #306 Dustyvet

Gee, what a novel idea, a back pack full of Master Locks, and visiting every Porta Pottie in the area...:)

I like the way you think. That would really shake things up.

353 albusteve  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 9:21:10am

re: #333 Kosh's Shadow

I'm not scared of him, but facts on the ground are harder to undo; Israel needs to be in the best position possible before he takes office.

if your saying they need to be lied to and cheated by the UN because of what BO might or might not do then I say there is an element of cowerdice there....it's a chain of history Israel needs to break even if the USA will fold on them

354 Ford_Prefect  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 9:21:32am

re: #349 Leonidas Hoplite

Dang. Well, the other insurgency does have to be fought almost everyday...

On that note...gotta run! Later Lizards!

355 Caboose  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 9:21:38am

re: #321 realwest

Uh, I don't think he was "wishing" for anyone to die, simply stating that some idjits would go out ANYWAY and probably die because of the elements of nature.
But hoping or wishing that they do? Nope, don't think he did.

Roger that, see my #308. Thanks for watching my back, RW!

356 scottishbuzzsaw  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 9:21:38am

re: #346 jorline

Good morning, Lizards.

Long live the rooster.

Good morning, jorline...how are you today?

357 notutopia  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 9:21:43am

re: #347 Killgore Trout

They dig a hole behind him while he's praying so he falls over when he stands up.

Thanks. I just thought it was shifting sand...

358 Leonidas Hoplite  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 9:22:13am

re: #351 realwest

"There is actually a science to whether forecasting" - so how come they can't tell me what the weather will be on Thursday with anything other than a 50% chance of being right?!?
:)


Unless you live in San Diego.
Forecast for tomorrow - sunny and 70 degrees. Repeat.

359 realwest  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 9:23:15am

re: #351 realwest
ADDENDUM: and the report you linked to only goes to Monday!

360 ThinkRight  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 9:23:20am

re: #321 realwest

Uh, I don't think he was "wishing" for anyone to die, simply stating that some idjits would go out ANYWAY and probably die because of the elements of nature.
But hoping or wishing that they do? Nope, don't think he did.


FEMA will take care of everything after they all get their 2000 dollar naster cards
/

361 Kenneth  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 9:23:21am

re: #322 lawhawk

... MILF Insurgency in the Philippines...

Didn't we see that DVD at Occasional Reader's bachelor party?

362 jorline  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 9:23:27am

re: #356 scottishbuzzsaw

Good morning, jorline...how are you today?

{scootish}

Truth be told...not well, but I'm trying to improve my mental attitude as the day goes forward.

Hope everything is well for you.

363 debutaunt  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 9:23:27am

re: #357 notutopia

Thanks. I just thought it was shifting sand...

The two pranksters dug a hole just behind him.

364 maddogg  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 9:23:37am

OT:

Mr. Johnson. When I click "refresh" on the spinnoff links the rotating disk doesn't stop, it just multiplies. I have five spinning away when I clicked here to let you know.

365 ThinkRight  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 9:24:09am

re: #360 ThinkRight

Master cards
/

366 smokefire  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 9:24:17am
Unless you live in San Diego.
Forecast for tomorrow - sunny and 70 degrees. Repeat.


Then there is New England.
Just shoveled another several inches of Global Warming, with the temps in single digits.

367 unreconstructed rebel  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 9:24:34am

re: #344 eschew_obfuscation

I actually think his presidency could be one of the most "representative" of the will of the people. I fully expect him to go in whatever direction the popular wind is blowing, buffeted about by polls. And, of course, he'll bend over for the dem leadership in congress.

Another lizard correctly pointed out that, due to his very quick rise & lack of exposure in the political arena, Obama is incredibly naive. Whether or not he ever figures out who holds what agenda (& I include pollsters) is going to be fascinating.

368 scottishbuzzsaw  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 9:25:06am

re: #362 jorline

{scootish}

Truth be told...not well, but I'm trying to improve my mental attitude as the day goes forward.

Hope everything is well for you.

I'm sorry to hear that, jorline. Thoughts and prayers go with you.

369 unrealizedviewpoint  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 9:25:17am

re: #321 realwest

re: #308 Caboose

I'm too sensitive sometimes.
Hey Caboose. Why didn't you wish for the freakin' snow on November 4th. Everyone knows the Lib-dolts, the chronically unemployed and the lazy don't go out and vote in bad weather.

370 MJBrutus  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 9:26:05am

re: #11 Kenneth

It should be mentioned, this is yet another Hamas violation of the Geneva Conventions.

Good point, except that Hamas is not a signatory. You see, Israel is obligated to honor the rules but Hamas isn't. This, even though the GC does not require a nation to do so when fighting a non-signatory. You know, just as the US is when fighting AQ.

371 lawhawk  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 9:26:11am
372 realwest  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 9:26:27am

re: #330 lawhawk
Agree completely.

373 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 9:26:47am

re: #223 opnion

Don't you think that destruction of the Kaaba would shake the very foundation of Islam. They believe it to be indestructible.

Not really. It has been destroyed before and rebuilt. They might consider the Black Stone indestructable; the rest of the Kaaba, not so much.

374 jorline  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 9:26:49am

re: #368 scottishbuzzsaw

I'm sorry to hear that, jorline. Thoughts and prayers go with you.

Thank you, your prayers are very much appreciated.

375 realwest  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 9:27:29am

re: #334 Opinionated
ROFL! NO, no, that's "acting" the part! LOL!

376 Dustyvet  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 9:27:37am

Yemeni Government Slaughters Protesters in Aden


377 Caboose  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 9:27:41am

re: #358 Leonidas Hoplite

Unless you live in San Diego.
Forecast for tomorrow - sunny and 70 degrees. Repeat.

Or most of Florida:

Sunny in the AM, afternoon storms, humid the rest of the day. (Except when I'm down there on vacation, then it is just storms & humidity until the day I leave... :-( )

378 DeafDog  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 9:27:50am

re: #351 realwest

"There is actually a science to whether forecasting" - so how come they can't tell me what the weather will be on Thursday with anything other than a 50% chance of being right?!?
:)

I blame George Bush.

Here is a link for the inaguration wether forecast for you home gamers

379 Leonidas Hoplite  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 9:27:56am

re: #366 smokefire

Then there is New England.
Just shoveled another several inches of Global Warming, with the temps in single digits.

Argh. I've already gone through twice as much sand and salt this winter than I have in the past three.

380 Dustoff-507  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 9:28:03am

Morning folks....

We except for all back East. (-:

381 Shr_Nfr  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 9:28:19am

re: #198 samsgran1948

www.abe.com is an excellent place to hunt for oop books. its a loose association of used booksellers.

take your pick starting at $1+shipping

[Link: www.abebooks.com...]

382 Killgore Trout  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 9:28:22am

re: #371 lawhawk

Hopenchange still burns.

383 Ron Shaw  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 9:28:42am

re: #235 Ron Shaw

The list so far;

1. Innocent women and children used as human shields.

2. Mosques used for shields, hiding, weapons storage and base-of-operation attacks.

3. Ambulances used for terrorist thug transport, operations, weapon carriers, thug protection as mobile shields.

4. Schools used as arsenals, military operations and rocket attacks.

5. News media used routinely for propaganda through staged theatrics.

6. Hospitals and suffering patients used as human shields and hospitals used as 'defensive' bunkers.

7. Ridiculously labeled 'defensive' tunnels used for anything and everything offensive other than defense.

...and still BHO wants to have a sit-down with them...unfortunately, Hamas has seized this grossly stupid statement by Obama and run with it by offering a pre-condition for our next ruler...Obama must first deny and/or condemn Israel before the sit-down can commence...pre-conditions dictated by a terrorist organization to the next POTUS who was so naive as to think his words will not be used against him, the office of the POTUS the USA and actually the free world...dude's an idiot folks...are we surprised yet?

Two more;

8. Zoo booby-trapped by Hamas.

9. Schools booby-trapped by Hamas.

384 Dustoff-507  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 9:28:44am

re: #371 lawhawk

DAng, that didn't take long. LOL

385 realwest  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 9:28:46am

re: #346 jorline
Morning jorline! How are you this morning?

386 Dustoff-507  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 9:29:18am

re: #385 realwest


Hey buddy... you frezzing yet? (-:

387 realwest  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 9:30:34am

re: #356 scottishbuzzsaw
Hey, hi there {scotti} how are ya doing today? Well, I hope!

388 dhg4  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 9:30:55am

re: #322 lawhawk

MSNBC has an interesting report about 10 conflicts that get short shrift in the press (who else to blame but the media itself for ignoring these conflicts and their underlying causes), but the MSNBC report omits three other conflicts, and it's curious as to which ones and why:

The Thai Islamist Insurgency; The Pakistan/India Border; MILF Insurgency in the Philippines.

The common thread? Islamic jihad and the fight to establish Islamic regimes.

You want hotspots that Obama will have to deal with in coming years? There's your hotspots.

Some thoughts on Sri Lanka and the Tamil separatists by Yaacov Lozowick. One of his implicit points is that the MSM critique Israel because they can with no real risk. Other conflicts involve real risk and thus won't get outside observers willing to risk their necks to tell the story. But a ticket to the Middle East is a low risk assignment and since it involves seeing shades of grey - even when things are black and white - there's plenty of glory, adulation and book deals available when the tour is done.

389 Alberta Oil Peon  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 9:31:18am

re: #116 faraway

flood the basement

Exactly.

Truck-mounted directional drill: $1.25 million
High-pressure water pump: $55,000
Suction pump at seashore: $45,000
3 or 4 miles of irrigation pipe: $50,000

Hearing the screams and gurgles slowly die away? Priceless.

390 jorline  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 9:31:33am

re: #385 realwest

Morning jorline! How are you this morning?

Been better, RW. I owe you an email and an update.

How are you today my friend?

391 DeafDog  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 9:31:41am

re: #382 Killgore Trout

Hopenchange still burns.

like syphilus?

392 dhg4  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 9:32:27am

re: #343 doppelganglander

Only during commercial breaks. He also has a magic cell phone that never runs out of battery power and can always get a signal.

Yes but it never occurs to him to turn it onto vibrate when he's sneaking up on the bad guys!

393 realwest  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 9:32:44am

re: #371 lawhawk
Well ya know they do like to get a head start on things over there - that's why they're Persians, not Arabs!
:)

394 scottishbuzzsaw  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 9:32:52am

re: #387 realwest

Hey, hi there {scotti} how are ya doing today? Well, I hope!

{realwest}! Hi there...doing just fine...and you?

395 Dustyvet  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 9:33:32am

Oh No...summoned for Jury Duty...:(

Sorry, I'll be in Pago Pago, that week and can't attend...:) That'll work.:)

396 realwest  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 9:33:39am

re: #380 Dustoff-507
Hi sleepyhead! How are ya?

397 debutaunt  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 9:34:01am

re: #391 DeafDog

like syphilus?

The guy who kept pushing the rock up the hill?

398 Caboose  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 9:35:23am

re: #369 unrealizedviewpoint

re: #308 Caboose

I'm too sensitive sometimes.
Hey Caboose. Why didn't you wish for the freakin' snow on November 4th. Everyone knows the Lib-dolts, the chronically unemployed and the lazy don't go out and vote in bad weather.

How do you know I didn't? ;-) I was hopin' for torrential downpours here in Atlanta (we need 'em anyways) but with all the pre-voting bulls#it, it wouldn't have made that much of a difference by then. It took me less time to vote on the 4th than it did for others in my family who stood in line for hours longer than i did just so that they could vote early. We need to only have one Election day, no pre-voting and you better have a valid reason for requesting an absentee ballot, not just becuase you are too lazy to get out and stand in line.

399 realwest  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 9:35:27am

re: #390 jorline
I'm doing ok - but you didn't "sound" too good when you replied to Scottish. What's going on?

400 jorline  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 9:39:32am

re: #399 realwest

I'm doing ok - but you didn't "sound" too good when you replied to Scottish. What's going on?

Long story short...they delayed my treatment for RA for another month. I went to the Rheumy yesterday so they could look at my TB test I took Friday...I was shocked when they said I was positive. I've started a nine month treatment today for Tuberculosis. Could have knocked me over with a feather.

401 scottishbuzzsaw  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 9:40:48am

re: #400 jorline

Long story short...they delayed my treatment for RA for another month. I went to the Rheumy yesterday so they could look at my TB test I took Friday...I was shocked when they said I was positive. I've started a nine month treatment today for Tuberculosis. Could have knocked me over with a feather.

Oh no...{jorline}.

402 Dustoff-507  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 9:41:01am

re: #396 realwest


Just Sleepy. LOL


I'm doing great. Just watching it rain...

403 Tigger2005  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 9:41:05am

They need to flood Gaza, and flush the rats from their holes. Where are some good Ents when you need them?

404 smokefire  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 9:41:34am

re: #395 Dustyvet

............do what I do, drop notice in shredder, and forget about it.

405 jorline  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 9:42:03am

re: #401 scottishbuzzsaw

Oh no...{jorline}.

Go figure that one...I don't know when or how.

406 Dustoff-507  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 9:42:41am

re: #404 smokefire

............do what I do, drop notice in shredder, and forget about it.

+++++++++++++++++++++++

O-brother. I didn't read that! LOL

407 smokefire  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 9:46:45am

re: #406 Dustoff-507

+++++++++++++++++++++++

O-brother. I didn't read that! LOL

.............oh I forgot.

Jury notice? What Jury notice?

Prove I got a jury notice.
I never got no jury notice.

408 scrat  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 9:47:14am

re: #35 Sizzlack

I was always under the impression that 'winning' to people like Hamas and Hezbollah just meant not being totally annihilated. If there were 100 of them and 99 were killed, that one that was left would declare victory simply because he was still alive.

Publicity Rules:
1) If even one lives, it a Hamas victory.
2) If they all die, it's a massacre by Israel.

409 Dustoff-507  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 9:49:43am

re: #407 smokefire

LOL. Just tell the courts your a FF and ON CALL. It worked for me. 0-:

410 FabioC.  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 9:50:06am

The other night in a segment of the evening news in Italy (TG1) it was said that injured Hamas members were given care in a hospital in Gaza (can't recall which one), but they refused to be filmed.

Instead, two parents with an injured kid were paraded on camera, but even so thay said that the Israeli airstrike that injured their son was on a rocket launcher that Hamas had set up near their home.

411 imtoast  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 9:51:37am

Just a few musings of a weak mind. I gave birth to three children. I raised them to be upright, loving, responsible people who would be an asset to society. I cannot fathom giving birth so that my children would die for all the wrong reasons. I find myself at a loss here. I do not hate the people in Gaza and the West Bank, I have absolutely no feelings towards them at all. When I see the dead, both adults and children, displayed on video I only think that at least they cannot kill more Jews. To me these people are worse than animals. Animals kill for food, these cretins kill for sport. Like I said, just musing here.

412 smokefire  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 9:52:11am

re: #409 Dustoff-507

Don't even go that far.

Thank God for paper shredders.

ZIP ZOP GONE.

413 unrealizedviewpoint  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 9:52:31am

re: #398 Caboose

How do you know I didn't? ;-) I was hopin' for torrential downpours here in Atlanta (we need 'em anyways) but with all the pre-voting bulls#it, it wouldn't have made that much of a difference by then. It took me less time to vote on the 4th than it did for others in my family who stood in line for hours longer than i did just so that they could vote early. We need to only have one Election day, no pre-voting and you better have a valid reason for requesting an absentee ballot, not just becuase you are too lazy to get out and stand in line.

If I'm not mistaken, it is the individual States that set voting requirements (permit absentee & early voting), and not the federal government.

414 Treesarie  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 9:52:40am

Seems this may be why Mads retreated to Norway.
PS What sixty-one year old doctor would dye their hair blonde and mousse it up like a teenager?

415 Maine's Michael  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 9:53:08am

Paging Dr. Haniyeh! Paging Dr. Haniyeh!

Urgent call from Dr. WhoopAss on line 7!

416 Scion9  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 9:53:46am

re: #66 WriterMom

In my opinion, the only thing that separates Palestinians is whether they are Christians or Muslims (because the whole world has forgotten anyway that there were Palestinian Jews). If they are Palestinian Muslims, it really doesn't matter to which party they pledge allegience because the aims of Fatah and Hamas are actually remarkably similar (ie: Death to the Juice)! It's just a matter of 'who will give me more aid', and 'who is less likely to throw me off a building', or 'who will pay me more to sacrifice my children'.

Sirhan Sirhan was raised as a Christian, and although not a 'Palestinian' so too was the infamous Edward Said. Many of those involved in the early PLO were not Muslim as well. Christian or Muslim doesn't really matter in terms of being complicit in the Jihad, since it is culturally pervasive.

Even if the Muslim/Christian designation mattered in terms of who was an enemy of Israel (and just about everyone else) or not, you also have to keep in mind that in that region being a Muslim is simply a matter of who your father was, and that Gaza specifically is largely run by barbaric theocrats, so it is always questionable who is actually Muslim in the first place. It isn't as if it is a conscious choice to be a Muslim or not for most of the Arabs living there.

417 Treesarie  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 9:56:07am

re: #401 scottishbuzzsaw

This common in the urban areas. We know longer check for diseases at the gate. Many diseases that had been eradicated in the US are now returning via the open borders.

418 realwest  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 9:59:12am

re: #395 Dustyvet
Dusty my friend - you can get off of that easy, don't make it harder on yourself!

419 Cheese Eating Victory Monkey  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 10:00:03am

Back in '92 there was a whole media circus when PM Rabin (and ironically, Barak as IDF chief of staff) kicked out over 400 Hamas leaders to Lebanon. I'm pretty sure that Haniyeh was one of the exiles who lived in a tent in the middle of nowhere until CNN/ Headline News came by and presented their sob story every day until Israel was forced to take them back.

420 Pete(Detroit)  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 10:01:08am

re: #13 Sizzlack

Didn't Hamas declare they were about to win?

How do you win when your leaders are peeing in their pants 30 feet under a hospital?

Helps if you're an Islamist Victim...

421 smokefire  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 10:03:35am

re: #415 Maine's Michael

Paging Dr. Haniyeh! Paging Dr. Haniyeh!

Urgent call from Dr. WhoopAss on line 7!

Could not let this go

422 Maine's Michael  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 10:06:05am

Israel is about to perform a terrorectomy.

Hopefully, the procedure will not be too bloody.

423 DaddyG  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 10:09:45am

Does Joe the Plumber have a cousin in the exterminiation business?

That might be an appropriate treatment for any rats they find tunneling under innocent civilians.

424 MJBrutus  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 10:24:27am

re: #423 DaddyG

Does Joe the Plumber have a cousin in the exterminiation business?

That might be an appropriate treatment for any rats they find tunneling under innocent civilians.

Isn't the usual remedy for vermin in a tunnel to flood the tunnels with a toxic gas or a flammable gas/liquid and light a match?

425 Arbalest  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 10:44:13am

What are the chances that the IDF is about to stage a Reverse Entebbe?

It shouldn’t be too hard to have 4 or 5 “ambulances” with 3 or 4 “wounded” arrive, followed by several carloads of “grieving relatives” show up at the hospital, perhaps infiltrate into the ER, seize the various basement access points, replace the staff (evacuated for questioning) to maintain care of the patients while also evacuating them.

Maintaining the fiction of ongoing hospital operations might give them a chance to seize the Hamas warriors. Having a couple of infantry platoons nearby and ready, and one of erkavas seems a prudent option.

As Hamas is known to use suicide bombers, all seized would have to be stripped down to their sandals and jocks.

I’d pay money to see them then led out of the hospital.

426 MJBrutus  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 11:11:37am

re: #425 Arbalest

What are the chances that the IDF is about to stage a Reverse Entebbe?

It shouldn’t be too hard to have 4 or 5 “ambulances” with 3 or 4 “wounded” arrive, followed by several carloads of “grieving relatives” show up at the hospital, perhaps infiltrate into the ER, seize the various basement access points, replace the staff (evacuated for questioning) to maintain care of the patients while also evacuating them.

Maintaining the fiction of ongoing hospital operations might give them a chance to seize the Hamas warriors. Having a couple of infantry platoons nearby and ready, and one of erkavas seems a prudent option.

As Hamas is known to use suicide bombers, all seized would have to be stripped down to their sandals and jocks.

I’d pay money to see them then led out of the hospital.

If they're down there, the tunnels are likely to be heavily booby-trapped. Beter just to pump in some cyanide gas or something than to risk IDF lives.

427 Arbalest  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 11:25:04am

re: #426 MJBrutus

If they're down there, the tunnels are likely to be heavily booby-trapped. Beter just to pump in some cyanide gas or something than to risk IDF lives.

Point well taken.

But, given the profile of the last several days of fighting, and the bravery for which the Hamas leadership is well known (at the first sonic boom ot tank rumble, lose bowel control, scream like a little girl, then run, while the new teenage recruits stay and die), I’m betting that they have no booby-traps at all.

Such things would be too close and interfere with a hasty exit.

428 SpiritOf1683  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 12:00:45pm

re: #79 shanec99

H


Every Hamas leader should be in a hospital... the psychiatric wing. Under sedation, restraint and constant supervision. They are homicidal, suicidal antisocial beings, who should not have the words human uttered in any sentence that contains a reference to them.


They certainly should be in a hospital - the mortuary of course.

429 SpiritOf1683  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 12:04:10pm

re: #426 MJBrutus

If they're down there, the tunnels are likely to be heavily booby-trapped. Beter just to pump in some cyanide gas or something than to risk IDF lives.

Or better still, a choking, unpleasant and very lethal heavier than air gas, like chlorine.

430 Irish Rose  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 3:36:18pm

Behold, the brave and holy warriors of Hamas.

They shield themselves with women, babies, children, hospital patients and the elderly.
They hide their bombs, rockets and guns in schools.
They desecrate houses of worship with their filth.
They kill children and beat women into submission.
They strap bombs onto mentally handicapped innocents.
And when all else fails, they dress like women to avoid capture.

These are not men.... they're PIGS.

Cowardly, ignorant, inhuman, unholy, filthy reeking SAVAGES who are lower than dogs. Godless swine who bathe in their own filth and eat their own feces.

They are not respectable enough to be pissed on.

/too harsh?

431 Maine's Michael  Tue, Jan 13, 2009 4:08:40pm

re: #430 Irish Rose

No, not too harsh.

In fact, remarkably gentle and forgiving, under the circumstances.

432 2MurthasRight  Wed, Jan 14, 2009 8:28:31am

Stop sending Israel bombs! Send them instead as many skunks needed to toss into the basements of that hospital and elsewhere to flush Hamas out.

Yeah, yeah. I know that would draw in PETA babes to pose as nakid human shields but at least that would improve morale all around.


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