Video: IDF Strikes Aborted to Protect Civilians
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Here’s an IDF video showing Israel Air Force pilots diverting missiles already en route to their targets, to avoid striking civilians.
1217 comments
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victor_yugo Wed, Jan 14, 2009 6:46:41pm |
Let's see this video on CNN, MSNBC, ABC, CBS, NBC...
*crickets*
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Wed, Jan 14, 2009 6:49:03pm |
I know we'll be hearing all about this on the 10 o'clock news.
/20 ton sarc
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Racer X Wed, Jan 14, 2009 6:49:26pm |
Nice job IDF, but you'll never get credit for it (in this lifetime).
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Occasional Reader Wed, Jan 14, 2009 6:49:37pm |
re: #2 victor_yugo
Let's see this video on CNN, MSNBC, ABC, CBS, NBC...
*crickets*
They'll show it right after they break the story of Mads Gilbert's communist/pro-jihadi affiliations.
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pre-Boomer Marine brat Wed, Jan 14, 2009 6:49:39pm |
The MSM will run this video ... under the category of The Gang That Can't Shoot Straight.
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NelsFree Wed, Jan 14, 2009 6:50:26pm |
God Bless the IDF. Hamas does not, cannot, alter course of the Qassams. Remember where the term "Barbarian" originated...
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Guanxi88 Wed, Jan 14, 2009 6:51:40pm |
See, stuff like this takes their precision beyond the cliched "surgical" and brings it into the freakin' micro-surgical realm. This is like hitting cancer cells one at a time, for pete's sake. Spooky precision, admirable humanity.
Purity of arms
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NelsFree Wed, Jan 14, 2009 6:51:43pm |
I still can't get the video to play. All I see is the circling circle, circling circle, circling circle, circling circle, circling circle, circling circle, circling circle, circling circle,...
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DisturbedEma Wed, Jan 14, 2009 6:51:46pm |
I support the IDF 100 %
Todah Rabah and be well brave men and women of IDF!
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VegasRick Wed, Jan 14, 2009 6:52:03pm |
Hope they are careful where they divert those rockets to................would hate to see something happen to the roosters.
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jwb7605 Wed, Jan 14, 2009 6:52:53pm |
re: #14 NelsFree
I still can't get the video to play. All I see is the circling circle, circling circle, circling circle, circling circle, circling circle, circling circle, circling circle, circling circle,...
You're getting sleepy. Very sleepy. Soon, all you will hear is the sound of my voice. I will snap my fingers ...
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Silhouette Wed, Jan 14, 2009 6:53:47pm |
re: #11 NelsFree
Hamas does not, cannot, alter course of the Qassams.
Civilians are their targets. If they could alter course, it would be towards bigger crowds. These are the people that shot 4 children strapped in their car seats. These are the people that chose buses specifically that were loaded with the elderly and children.
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quickjustice Wed, Jan 14, 2009 6:53:49pm |
This is the virtue of precision munitions. Trouble is, no one in the U.S. media will report this.
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x-wing Wed, Jan 14, 2009 6:53:52pm |
re: #14 NelsFree
I still can't get the video to play. All I see is the circling circle, circling circle, circling circle, circling circle, circling circle, circling circle, circling circle, circling circle,...
Try this
[Link: switch434-01.castup.net...]
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jcm Wed, Jan 14, 2009 6:54:13pm |
re: #18 jwb7605
You're getting sleepy. Very sleepy. Soon, all you will hear is the sound of my voice. I will snap my fingers ...
You will crow like a rooster
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pre-Boomer Marine brat Wed, Jan 14, 2009 6:54:14pm |
re: #18 jwb7605
You're getting sleepy. Very sleepy. Soon, all you will hear is the sound of my voice. I will snap my fingers ...
zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
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notutopia Wed, Jan 14, 2009 6:54:58pm |
IAF Pinpoint accuracy...to avoid civilian bloodshed.
Mads have you seen this vid?
Nah....
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Occasional Reader Wed, Jan 14, 2009 6:55:10pm |
Coincidentally, Cast a Giant Shadow is just starting.
Major Safir just told Mickey Marcus that the Saudi king and the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem have sworn to kill all the Jews (in 1947).
This movie could not be made today. Too honest.
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Silhouette Wed, Jan 14, 2009 6:55:34pm |
I wouldn't fault the IDF is they didn't alter the flight.
The deaths of those terrorists would likely save more innocent lives in the end than it cost. Including innocent Gaza Arab lives.
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x-wing Wed, Jan 14, 2009 6:56:00pm |
re: #18 jwb7605
You're getting sleepy. Very sleepy. Soon, all you will hear is the sound of my voice. I will snap my fingers ...
That hypnotizing stuff is a bunch of cr....wolf..wolf..wolf wolf
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Kragar Wed, Jan 14, 2009 6:56:21pm |
If Hamas had this kind of control, there would be hundred more dead Israelis
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tradewind Wed, Jan 14, 2009 6:56:29pm |
Thanks for the submission, but CNN has independent confirmation that this video was faked, and has determined that it's not accurate, either, so we will not be running it....
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Wishing Wed, Jan 14, 2009 6:56:34pm |
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Killgore Trout Wed, Jan 14, 2009 6:56:58pm |
The real shame is that the Israelis are more interested in preventing civilian casualties than Hamas or the Palestinian civilians themselves. What a world.
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Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret) Wed, Jan 14, 2009 6:57:17pm |
Dang... feed is giving a static sound now. No Rooster. I need my rooster fix.
/pooh. Hope the little bastard is OK.
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Opinionated Wed, Jan 14, 2009 6:57:20pm |
One can take pride in the morals of the IDF.
But, this does not win wars. It does not get humanitarian credit for Israel. It does not vanquish the enemy.
When you consider that if Israel should lose to the barbarians one time the victors will show no mercy, at the end, saving the enemy and preserving their ability to maybe kill you later is completely self defeating and immoral.
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Jan 14, 2009 6:57:27pm |
re: #12 jcm
But they target 12 year old boys on roofs!
/Mads
Mads is mad-crazy. The IDF was smart to put this clip up. Now it's our turn: save the link to this clip. If you meet someone who claims the IDF targeting civilians, give them the address of the clip. If possible, show them the clip. The IDF has given us a hammer with which to strike Islamist propaganda, we must see that it is not wasted.
Hamas Delenda Est.
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Wishing Wed, Jan 14, 2009 6:57:42pm |
re: #32 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)
Dang... feed is giving a static sound now. No Rooster. I need my rooster fix.
/pooh. Hope the little bastard is OK.
He is fine, making a racket.
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jwb7605 Wed, Jan 14, 2009 6:58:12pm |
My original thought was that the IDF would just ricochet the missile off the roof like they did for the patient Dr. Mad was working on.
I guess they don't have that perfected, yet.
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x-wing Wed, Jan 14, 2009 6:58:18pm |
Another hour till daybreak, another hour till daybreak
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Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret) Wed, Jan 14, 2009 6:58:29pm |
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pre-Boomer Marine brat Wed, Jan 14, 2009 6:58:29pm |
re: #32 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)
Dang... feed is giving a static sound now. No Rooster. I need my rooster fix.
/pooh. Hope the little bastard is OK.
He's out there, a bit further away.
I think they moved the mike.
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Dekar Wed, Jan 14, 2009 6:58:48pm |
I'm sure everybody knows this already, but check out
[Link: www.youtube.com...]
for all the awesome IDF vids
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Wishing Wed, Jan 14, 2009 6:59:18pm |
re: #39 pre-Boomer Marine brat
He's out there, a bit further away.
I think they moved the mike.
He may just be looking for a piece of chicken.
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Sharmuta Wed, Jan 14, 2009 6:59:23pm |
I think it's great the IDF has embraced the internet. Now they can by-pass the media and take their side straight to the people.
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x-wing Wed, Jan 14, 2009 6:59:32pm |
re: #32 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)
Dang... feed is giving a static sound now. No Rooster. I need my rooster fix.
/pooh. Hope the little bastard is OK.
Yeah, a little static. There is a rooster off in the distance going at it,but it aint ours.
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Abu Al-Poopypants Wed, Jan 14, 2009 6:59:40pm |
re: #32 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)
Dang... feed is giving a static sound now. No Rooster. I need my rooster fix.
/pooh. Hope the little bastard is OK.
It sounds like he's being electrocuted.
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Wishing Wed, Jan 14, 2009 7:00:23pm |
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jcm Wed, Jan 14, 2009 7:00:52pm |
re: #34 Dark_Falcon
Mads is mad-crazy. The IDF was smart to put this clip up. Now it's our turn: save the link to this clip. If you meet someone who claims the IDF targeting civilians, give them the address of the clip. If possible, show them the clip. The IDF has given us a hammer with which to strike Islamist propaganda, we must see that it is not wasted.
Hamas Delenda Est.
Kind of did that today at lunch, liberal co-workers quizzed my on opinions on Gaza. The targeting of civilians came up. I said if Israel is targeting civilians they are pretty crappy at it, so far they're only scoring 2 civilians for every Hamas combatant killed.
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jorline Wed, Jan 14, 2009 7:00:53pm |
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notutopia Wed, Jan 14, 2009 7:01:01pm |
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Maximu§ Wed, Jan 14, 2009 7:01:06pm |
I applaud the Hawks of the IAF, but them posting this information tells tomorrows targets how they can dodge that missile....loose lips sink ships still hold true.
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jcm Wed, Jan 14, 2009 7:01:34pm |
re: #48 jcm
Kind of did that today at lunch, liberal co-workers quizzed my on opinions on Gaza. The targeting of civilians came up. I said if Israel is targeting civilians they are pretty crappy at it, so far they're only scoring 2 civilians for every Hamas combatant killed.
PIMF
so far they're only scoring 2 civilians for every 8 Hamas combatant killed.
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pre-Boomer Marine brat Wed, Jan 14, 2009 7:01:47pm |
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ArmyWife Wed, Jan 14, 2009 7:01:55pm |
I am going to bed to read a bit and hopefully get some sleep before my next exciting adventure at the Chemical Plant!
See ya tomorrow!
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Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret) Wed, Jan 14, 2009 7:02:10pm |
Houston... we have a rooster fix!
Might not be the right bird, but the stand-in is fine. All is right with the world.
Now, get the IDF rolling hard... they only have 6 days. Used to win wars in that amount of time, hint, hint.
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pre-Boomer Marine brat Wed, Jan 14, 2009 7:02:48pm |
re: #54 ArmyWife
I am going to bed to read a bit and hopefully get some sleep before my next exciting adventure at the Chemical Plant!
See ya tomorrow!
GOod night!
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Maximu§ Wed, Jan 14, 2009 7:02:49pm |
re: #54 ArmyWife
I am going to bed to read a bit and hopefully get some sleep before my next exciting adventure at the Chemical Plant!
See ya tomorrow!
have fun Armywife! Friday is only 2 days away.
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Wishing Wed, Jan 14, 2009 7:02:59pm |
re: #54 ArmyWife
I am going to bed to read a bit and hopefully get some sleep before my next exciting adventure at the Chemical Plant!
See ya tomorrow!
Cmon! roosters get hungry too!
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Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret) Wed, Jan 14, 2009 7:03:14pm |
re: #51 Maximu§
I applaud the Hawks of the IAF, but them posting this information tells tomorrows targets how they can dodge that missile....loose lips sink ships still hold true.
Only if they know it's incoming. Bet they don't... the first indication they get that they are under fire is when they are dead and there are no virgins.
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jwb7605 Wed, Jan 14, 2009 7:03:19pm |
re: #55 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)
Houston... we have a rooster fix!
Might not be the right bird, but the stand-in is fine. All is right with the world.
Now, get the IDF rolling hard... they only have 6 days. Used to win wars in that amount of time, hint, hint.
Has the IDF hit a quagmire yet? You can't conduct a war without a good quagmire! I demand a quagmire!
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Vicious Babushka Wed, Jan 14, 2009 7:03:58pm |
The media will ignore this, and the Hamas whores will claim the IDF is lying, and they will broadcast MORE propaganda and fauxtography in "rebuttal."
/business as usual.
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Occasional Reader Wed, Jan 14, 2009 7:04:11pm |
re: #51 Maximu§
I applaud the Hawks of the IAF, but them posting this information tells tomorrows targets how they can dodge that missile....loose lips sink ships still hold true.
They already knew that the IDF will avoid hitting civilians. This video doesn't tell them anything new.
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Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret) Wed, Jan 14, 2009 7:04:20pm |
re: #61 jwb7605
Has the IDF hit a quagmire yet? You can't conduct a war without a good quagmire! I demand a quagmire!
Got that out of the way in 1982, Lebanon.
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Abu Al-Poopypants Wed, Jan 14, 2009 7:04:59pm |
re: #61 jwb7605
Has the IDF hit a quagmire yet? You can't conduct a war without a good quagmire! I demand a quagmire!
Giggety!
(don't even watch the show)
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SteveC Wed, Jan 14, 2009 7:05:28pm |
re: #35 Wishing
He is fine, making a racket.
I thought that the extraction boat had picked him up...
....Shines the name, shines the name of Rodger Young.
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Vicious Babushka Wed, Jan 14, 2009 7:05:39pm |
re: #64 Occasional Reader
They already knew that the IDF will avoid hitting civilians. This video doesn't tell them anything new.
They are depending on the IDF avoiding civilians--why do you think they always surround themselves with "human shields" wherever they go?
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Wishing Wed, Jan 14, 2009 7:06:00pm |
re: #67 SteveC
I thought that the extraction boat had picked him up...
....Shines the name, shines the name of Rodger Young.
We can only hope!
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Maximu§ Wed, Jan 14, 2009 7:07:44pm |
re: #59 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)
Only if they know it's incoming. Bet they don't... the first indication they get that they are under fire is when they are dead and there are no virgins.
Your right, but operational security is important. The lead is still flying and here we see targeting video's showing how the IAF acts and re-acts under wartime conditions.
Call all me old fashioned I guess....
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x-wing Wed, Jan 14, 2009 7:08:29pm |
Sounded like a tank in the background. Drones overhead.
Uh-oh
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Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret) Wed, Jan 14, 2009 7:09:23pm |
re: #70 Maximu§
Your right, but operational security is important. The lead is still flying and here we see targeting video's showing how the IAF acts and re-acts under wartime conditions.
Call all me old fashioned I guess....
Not that it will work, but the IDF has a PR war to fight as well... things are more complex now than when we expected to try to kill Russian tanks faster than they came across the border. Sometimes, the clarity back then was a good thing.
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Kragar Wed, Jan 14, 2009 7:09:27pm |
re: #70 Maximu§
Your right, but operational security is important. The lead is still flying and here we see targeting video's showing how the IAF acts and re-acts under wartime conditions.
Call all me old fashioned I guess....
And next time a priority target is out in the open, he'll think since he has his brood of future splodeydopes along, he's safe.
/wishful thinking
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Pawn of the Oppressor Wed, Jan 14, 2009 7:09:27pm |
What goes unsaid is the intel resources needed to put the crosshairs on an individual vehicle or individual person (!) in the first place.
You can also bet that we're seeing some of those famous inert-warhead systems - missiles and bombs filled with ballast instead of explosives, to hit point targets and destroy them via impact alone, without blowing the whole neighborhood to hell. I think that's what happened in the second clip where the pilot put the bomb down in the middle of the empty street. If that had been a fully loaded bomb, even a little one, the neighbors on either side could kiss their butts goodbye.
Israel must have some of the strangest and most complicated ROE seen since Johnson/McNamara's Vietnam.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, Jan 14, 2009 7:10:07pm |
I can not imagine waking up to that sound.
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x-wing Wed, Jan 14, 2009 7:10:07pm |
Achmed..Hey Achmed, could you get that damned locust off the mic. please?
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jcm Wed, Jan 14, 2009 7:10:38pm |
re: #73 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
And next time a priority target is out in the open, he'll think since he has his brood of future splodeydopes along, he's safe.
/wishful thinking
They're making target value calls, they hit that one Hamassshole mucky-ity-muck at home with his wives and kids.
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Syrah Wed, Jan 14, 2009 7:10:46pm |
If war is made too safe, there will be no need for the civilians to want leadership that would rather avoid it.
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Maximu§ Wed, Jan 14, 2009 7:10:54pm |
re: #71 x-wing
Sounded like a tank in the background. Drones overhead.
Uh-oh
You were at Fort Hood? The Armpit of Texas...I was in the 2nd Battalion/41st Infantry for a year. God, I Hated Killeen.
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SteveC Wed, Jan 14, 2009 7:11:18pm |
re: #74 Pawn of the Oppressor
Israel must have some of the strangest and most complicated ROE seen since Johnson/McNamara's Vietnam.
And as far as we can tell, they are following ever rule to the letter!
GO IDF!
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jcm Wed, Jan 14, 2009 7:11:50pm |
re: #77 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I can not imagine waking up to that sound.
I did for 10 years, kinda of nostalgic for me.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, Jan 14, 2009 7:12:16pm |
Do they put up the guy who can sing the best to do this? By audition? Islamic Idol? Just some Iman? Regardless of vocal talent?
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Kragar Wed, Jan 14, 2009 7:12:17pm |
re: #79 jcm
They're making target value calls, they hit that one Hamassshole mucky-ity-muck at home with his wives and kids.
Ed Zachary.
Random putz. Abort the strike.
High Sheikh Mullah Bullah. Bombs away.
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Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret) Wed, Jan 14, 2009 7:12:18pm |
Ya know... listening to that wailing every night might actually make turning one's self into a human bomb a viable lifestyle option.
/take out Achmed the screamer and everyone might relax a whole bunch.
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jwb7605 Wed, Jan 14, 2009 7:12:24pm |
re: #79 jcm
They're making target value calls, they hit that one Hamassshole mucky-ity-muck at home with his wives and kids.
I've wondered about that. Do you suppose the guy only gets 68 virgins?
If so, do his deceased wives get to give him "the look"?
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Walter L. Newton Wed, Jan 14, 2009 7:12:24pm |
re: #83 jcm
I did for 10 years, kinda of nostalgic for me.
Until you killed it, ate it and made a blanket out of it.
/
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Pawn of the Oppressor Wed, Jan 14, 2009 7:12:38pm |
re: #63 Alouette
The media will ignore this, and the Hamas whores will claim the IDF is lying, and they will broadcast MORE propaganda and fauxtography in "rebuttal."
/business as usual.
Israelis (i.e. Jews) need to understand that they are seen as untermenschen still. Same shit, different signage. There's almost no point in PR because Jews are always going to be JOOOOOOOS.
At this point, I think Israel should do whatever it needs to, and to hell with the media/PR consequences. That particular war is at least as un-winnable as Gaza, maybe moreso.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, Jan 14, 2009 7:12:55pm |
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Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret) Wed, Jan 14, 2009 7:12:57pm |
re: #84 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Do they put up the guy who can sing the best to do this? By audition? Islamic Idol? Just some Iman? Regardless of vocal talent?
Longest beard.
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notutopia Wed, Jan 14, 2009 7:13:23pm |
U.N. Agency That Runs School Hit in Gaza Employed Hamas and Islamic Jihad Members
[Link: www.foxnews.com...]
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Mich-again Wed, Jan 14, 2009 7:13:24pm |
Israel Air Force pilots diverting missiles already en route to their targets,
What? did Allah change his mind at the last second? /
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victor_yugo Wed, Jan 14, 2009 7:13:46pm |
re: #84 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Do they put up the guy who can sing the best to do this? By audition? Islamic Idol? Just some Iman? Regardless of vocal talent?
Biggest forehead-knot.
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Opinionated Wed, Jan 14, 2009 7:13:56pm |
Israel, killing them in Gaza so that American troops don't have to fight them in Afghanistan.
Hamas Web site: Saudi 'fighter-priest' killed in Gaza battle
The unusual report of a Saudi jihadist, who was killed while fighting Israel alongside Hamas militants in the Gaza Strip, appears to indicate that Hamas may be gaining greater acceptance among even more fundamentalist Muslim groups.
As a rule, Hamas does not release details about its casualties - neither in number nor identity. But a Web site identified with a radical Islamic organization that preaches jihad and features the logo of Hamas' military wing, reported that Abu Muhammed Mari, a Saudi sheikh mujahid ("fighter-priest"), who previously fought in Afghanistan, Bosnia and Chechnya, was killed in the fighting in Gaza.
[Link: www.haaretz.com...]
Oh, this can't be true. Everywhere we hear that Israel's wars are not part of the worldwide war on terror.
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MandyManners Wed, Jan 14, 2009 7:14:02pm |
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itellu3times Wed, Jan 14, 2009 7:14:22pm |
This is mildly misleading, what it really shows is they can adjust missiles in flight to track moving vehicles!
Obviously, the ROE says if the target is not isolated for any reason, to divert the missile, rather than, say, guess where it is and shoot right through.
It makes me queasy when the army tries to impress us with how safe war is for anyone.
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Walter L. Newton Wed, Jan 14, 2009 7:14:48pm |
re: #99 CIA Reject
Sounds like Slim Whitman on quaaludes...
And we know what happens to "heads" when he sings.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, Jan 14, 2009 7:14:57pm |
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coldpizza Wed, Jan 14, 2009 7:15:31pm |
After careful consideration and studying all submissions, the rooster has a name! "Fryer Cluck"
"Hat Tip ColdPizza" I just wanted to say that!
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Jan 14, 2009 7:15:33pm |
re: #71 x-wing
Sounded like a tank in the background. Drones overhead.
Uh-oh
Uh,oh for any Hamas scum in the vicinity. Hopefully, they issue the terrorists some 120mm love.
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Walter L. Newton Wed, Jan 14, 2009 7:15:40pm |
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CIA Reject Wed, Jan 14, 2009 7:15:42pm |
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daveycrockett Wed, Jan 14, 2009 7:15:55pm |
I can only imagine what those 'civilians' were thinking when a missile dropped within a hundred yards of them ;)
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victor_yugo Wed, Jan 14, 2009 7:16:18pm |
re: #103 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
-Borat
Never seen it, no desire to. Although it was fun watching "Bruno" crash the Paris fashion show last year.
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x-wing Wed, Jan 14, 2009 7:16:30pm |
re: #81 Maximu§
You were at Fort Hood? The Armpit of Texas...I was in the 2nd Battalion/41st Infantry for a year. God, I Hated Killeen.
No, not Ft. Hood. I was 2AD FWD.in Germany for awhile but served in FT.Knox stateside. I felt the same way about Knox as you did Killeen.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, Jan 14, 2009 7:16:55pm |
Really dark there. Almost, like, night or something.
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CommonCents Wed, Jan 14, 2009 7:17:04pm |
In the dark part of my mind I have often had thoughts of collective punishment, especially whenever I see the video of the reaction in Gaza after 9/11. But I just watched a video by an arab of how Hamas treats other Palistinians. It's no different than any other dictatorship where a majority of the population lives in fear of the government.
One thing I did notice in the video is that even when the hamassholes are patrolling their own streets "off camera" they wear the ski masks. As if they don't want their neighbors to know they are the assholes they are.
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Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret) Wed, Jan 14, 2009 7:17:16pm |
We need to surge this thing... only six more days before Obama starts dropping unicorns out his ass (or something).
/grateful the wailapalooza has ended and the IDF is firing again.
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SteveC Wed, Jan 14, 2009 7:17:27pm |
re: #99 CIA Reject
Sounds like Slim Whitman on quaaludes...
*recalls the head exploding scene from Mars Attacks!*
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jwb7605 Wed, Jan 14, 2009 7:17:34pm |
re: #110 x-wing
No, not Ft. Hood. I was 2AD FWD.in Germany for awhile but served in FT.Knox stateside. I felt the same way about Knox as you did Killeen.
What does FWD stand for?
/squid
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MandyManners Wed, Jan 14, 2009 7:18:07pm |
re: #89 Pawn of the Oppressor
Israelis (i.e. Jews) need to understand that they are seen as untermenschen still. Same shit, different signage. There's almost no point in PR because Jews are always going to be JOOOOOOOS.
At this point, I think Israel should do whatever it needs to, and to hell with the media/PR consequences. That particular war is at least as un-winnable as Gaza, maybe moreso.
I might be wrong but, hisorically, I think some people have feared the Jews because their differences made them stronger, because they had cohesive communities and pursued knowledge.
Envy is ugly when it is not an impetus for emulation.
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jorline Wed, Jan 14, 2009 7:18:14pm |
re: #104 coldpizza
After careful consideration and studying all submissions, the rooster has a name! "Fryer Cluck"
"Hat Tip ColdPizza" I just wanted to say that!
Cousin of Cluck U Farley.
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CIA Reject Wed, Jan 14, 2009 7:18:37pm |
re: #111 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Really dark there. Almost, like, night or something.
Heh! We can collaborate to write a GazaCam "Bad Novel". I'll start:
It was a dark and stormy night.
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albusteve Wed, Jan 14, 2009 7:19:04pm |
re: #99 CIA Reject
Sounds like Slim Whitman on quaaludes...
you mock that which you do not understand....Slim was a prophet, an apostle of the great Box Car Willie...on your knees!
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Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret) Wed, Jan 14, 2009 7:19:09pm |
re: #115 jwb7605
What does FWD stand for?
/squid
Forward. Part of the division was in CONUS and a bde (IIRC) was in Germany with a bunch of gear for the rest of the division.
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Wishing Wed, Jan 14, 2009 7:19:15pm |
Can I go totally off-topic for a minute?
This evening, as we do every Weds., hubby and I joined about 6 other couples for dinner at a local restaurant. We eat at a different place each week, this gives us a chance to see friends and also encourages the local economy.
This will be the last time we attend.
Two couples who we go out with stole from the restaurant. Not out and out, swipe a plate kind of stealing. A different kind.
Both couples ordered meals, including the salad bar.
They never ate their main course, and never intended to: they made a few trips to the salad bar for their *dinner*.
They then asked for to-go boxes and took the dinner home with them.
These are wealthy people, by my standards. They own a few homes each, several vehicles, the best vacations, and all are retired.
I am sickened by this behavior.
Please have mercy on us!
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, Jan 14, 2009 7:19:20pm |
re: #118 CIA Reject
Heh! We can collaborate to write a GazaCam "Bad Novel". I'll start:
It was a dark and stormy night.
I was actually trying to something witty with that, gave up.
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Mich-again Wed, Jan 14, 2009 7:19:24pm |
I always wondered why that one Hamas guy kept that crazy orange beard.
The rooster made him do it.
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jwb7605 Wed, Jan 14, 2009 7:20:28pm |
re: #120 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)
Forward. Part of the division was in CONUS and a bde (IIRC) was in Germany with a bunch of gear for the rest of the division.
Thanks! I was trying to deconstruct that to three words.
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MandyManners Wed, Jan 14, 2009 7:20:39pm |
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x-wing Wed, Jan 14, 2009 7:21:05pm |
re: #115 jwb7605
What does FWD stand for?
/squid
Forward. It was just what they called your unit when serving overseas.
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Pawn of the Oppressor Wed, Jan 14, 2009 7:21:29pm |
Come to think of it... The Youtube stuff isn't a bad idea because it's cheap to make and quick to distribute. They're just catching up to the Jihadholes in that respect.
As for the wider PR issue, Israel would be best served by taking some Jew Gold*** and buying 90 minutes of airtime on all the major networks, and stuffing that time full of clips from Palestinian kindergarten recitals. Never mind "look how good we are being careful with our bombs" - just show the enemy clearly, without any filtration. Bloody, murderous kid songs, the bee, the rabbit, the goose-stepping, the kids with bomb belts, everything. "This is what we're up against. Oh, and by the way, your political class says these people can be dealt with. Also, they get some of your tax money."
I'd put 15 minutes in before the Today show, 15 minutes just before Oprah, and an hour's "special" between dinner and primetime.
*** Thank you, South Park
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Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret) Wed, Jan 14, 2009 7:21:31pm |
re: #126 jwb7605
Thanks! I was trying to deconstruct that to three words.
It stands for "Speed Bump" in Swahili. :-)
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notutopia Wed, Jan 14, 2009 7:21:45pm |
re: #122 Wishing
Did you confront them on this and your concerns?
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albusteve Wed, Jan 14, 2009 7:22:17pm |
re: #122 Wishing
Can I go totally off-topic for a minute?
This evening, as we do every Weds., hubby and I joined about 6 other couples for dinner at a local restaurant. We eat at a different place each week, this gives us a chance to see friends and also encourages the local economy.
This will be the last time we attend.
Two couples who we go out with stole from the restaurant. Not out and out, swipe a plate kind of stealing. A different kind.
Both couples ordered meals, including the salad bar.
They never ate their main course, and never intended to: they made a few trips to the salad bar for their *dinner*.
They then asked for to-go boxes and took the dinner home with them.
These are wealthy people, by my standards. They own a few homes each, several vehicles, the best vacations, and all are retired.
I am sickened by this behavior.
Please have mercy on us!
how is this stealing?...I dont get it
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jorline Wed, Jan 14, 2009 7:22:36pm |
No matter the thread...all roads lead back to the Rooster lately.
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Vicious Babushka Wed, Jan 14, 2009 7:22:52pm |
re: #122 Wishing
Can I go totally off-topic for a minute?
This evening, as we do every Weds., hubby and I joined about 6 other couples for dinner at a local restaurant. We eat at a different place each week, this gives us a chance to see friends and also encourages the local economy.
This will be the last time we attend.
Two couples who we go out with stole from the restaurant. Not out and out, swipe a plate kind of stealing. A different kind.
Both couples ordered meals, including the salad bar.
They never ate their main course, and never intended to: they made a few trips to the salad bar for their *dinner*.
They then asked for to-go boxes and took the dinner home with them.
These are wealthy people, by my standards. They own a few homes each, several vehicles, the best vacations, and all are retired.
I am sickened by this behavior.
Please have mercy on us!
How did they avoid paying for the meal if they ordered it and then took it home?
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Silhouette Wed, Jan 14, 2009 7:23:15pm |
re: #118 CIA Reject
It was a dark and stormy night.
Suddenly, a shot rang out!
A door slammed.
The maid screamed.
Suddenly, a pirate ship appeared on the horizon!
-obscure reference alert
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jwb7605 Wed, Jan 14, 2009 7:23:43pm |
re: #122 Wishing
If they paid for their meals, why is that stealing?
I've done the same thing -- ordered the "big" steak at the Texas Road House, and explained to the waitress while doing so that half the meal or more would be going home -- their steaks are that good.
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Outrider Wed, Jan 14, 2009 7:24:13pm |
Prayer times for the 14th ... add a few minutes for today. those were the dawn prayers we heard at quarter past.
Date 14
Day Wed
Dawn 5:14
Sunrise 6:40
Noon 11:48
Afternoon 2:38
Sunset 4:57
Evening 6:23
Al-Quds, Jerusalem Qibla = 157 15' E (From True North)
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notutopia Wed, Jan 14, 2009 7:24:27pm |
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Jan 14, 2009 7:24:39pm |
re: #136 Silhouette
Suddenly, a shot rang out!
A door slammed.
The maid screamed.
Suddenly, a pirate ship appeared on the horizon!-obscure reference alert
Either Peanuts or The Princess Bride I'm guessing.
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Jan 14, 2009 7:24:44pm |
re: #87 jwb7605
I've wondered about that. Do you suppose the guy only gets 68 virgins?
If so, do his deceased wives get to give him "the look"?
I hate to get into this weird area of quasi-theology, but I think the virgins are independent of spouses. I think the virgins aren't exactly people, they're heavenly beings of some sort. Hoochie angels. I may find out at some point, according to a gentleman I very briefly learned Arabic from, I'm eligible to get into the 'Muslim section of heaven'. (Perhaps no longer. I only remember about half of the section of the Koran that got me that far.)
Assuming women get virgins. Dunno. I commented at the time that I wasn't sure I was keen on a section of heaven with no booze, which caused the rabbi I was learning with to comment: "OK, let's put this in perspective. NO booze, and beautiful gazelle-eyed boys, versus booze and anemic Ashkenazi angels. In one place you can't drink, and in the other you NEED to drink."
You can always count on your rabbi to make life weirder. At least if you're me.
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Mich-again Wed, Jan 14, 2009 7:24:51pm |
re: #132 albusteve
how is this stealing?...I dont get it
I don't get it either? Unless they dined and dashed thats not stealing.
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Opinionated Wed, Jan 14, 2009 7:25:04pm |
re: #122 Wishing
These are wealthy people, by my standards. They own a few homes each, several vehicles, the best vacations, and all are retired.
Wealth, real and imagined, had rapidly disappeared in recent days. You may not know what they are facing and so far hiding.
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SteveC Wed, Jan 14, 2009 7:25:21pm |
re: #136 Silhouette
Suddenly, a pirate ship appeared on the horizon!
Hey! Doesn't this story take place in Lincoln, Nebraska?
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Outrider Wed, Jan 14, 2009 7:25:22pm |
re: #136 Silhouette
Suddenly, a shot rang out!
A door slammed.
The maid screamed.
Suddenly, a pirate ship appeared on the horizon!-obscure reference alert
It was a dark and stormy night.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, Jan 14, 2009 7:25:25pm |
re: #122 Wishing
Doggie bags are not for salad bars, but, are for entrees. I don't think it is stealing. Forgive me.
Relax. You didn't abet.
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Silhouette Wed, Jan 14, 2009 7:25:27pm |
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albusteve Wed, Jan 14, 2009 7:25:31pm |
re: #137 jwb7605
If they paid for their meals, why is that stealing?
I've done the same thing -- ordered the "big" steak at the Texas Road House, and explained to the waitress while doing so that half the meal or more would be going home -- their steaks are that good.
me too...why does she want our mercy?...what am I missing
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CapeCoddah Wed, Jan 14, 2009 7:25:31pm |
O/T check this out, REALLY rabid Palin derangement from a new Boston Herald columnist who's mommy got her the job. She sounds awfully jealous to me, I cant believe she let her pic (rats nest head) be put up next to the Governor's. When you see it, it kinda explains her jealousy.
[Link: www.bostonherald.com...]
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CIA Reject Wed, Jan 14, 2009 7:25:49pm |
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Jan 14, 2009 7:25:57pm |
re: #95 Opinionated
I
Oh, this can't be true. Everywhere we hear that Israel's wars are not part of the worldwide war on terror.
Where'd you hear that? I heard they were the CAUSE of it.
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Wishing Wed, Jan 14, 2009 7:25:58pm |
Thanks for letting me spew. I yelled all the way home. If ANY of these peeps complain to me about the economy, I WILL tell em what I think!
| 156 |
nyc redneck Wed, Jan 14, 2009 7:26:06pm |
i'm thinking that in the history of warfare, no group of aggressors has ever had it so good.
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itellu3times Wed, Jan 14, 2009 7:26:09pm |
re: #122 Wishing
I think there are plenty of restaurants who are happy with the situation.
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Syrah Wed, Jan 14, 2009 7:26:13pm |
re: #122 Wishing
That is a pretty weird cheat.
If they are capable of going through the mental gymnastics required to justify what they are doing, then they are capable of doing that with things other than just salad bars.
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jwb7605 Wed, Jan 14, 2009 7:26:15pm |
re: #136 Silhouette
Suddenly, a shot rang out!
A door slammed.
The maid screamed.
Suddenly, a pirate ship appeared on the horizon!-obscure reference alert
and they ask
"Why do they spare that one? Tell me, why do they spare that one?"
And the ship, the black freighter, turns around in the harbor, shooting guns from the bow!
/Pirate Jenny
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jaunte Wed, Jan 14, 2009 7:26:17pm |
re: #148 Outrider
A door slammed. Someone laughed. Suddenly a vast ship appeared on the horizon. Strange noises could be heard from the decks -- a cacophony of barks and snorts, yowls and grunts. Indistinct forms crowd the night dark deck ... indistinct, but surely not human!
It was an Ark, and story night.
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x-wing Wed, Jan 14, 2009 7:26:36pm |
re: #135 Alouette
How did they avoid paying for the meal if they ordered it and then took it home?
I see what she's saying. True the salad bar is included. But they chowed down on that and took the dinners home for supper the next night.
Cheap-asses usually do that.
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pre-Boomer Marine brat Wed, Jan 14, 2009 7:26:48pm |
We've got the rooster out there.
We need a mezzanine calling the faithful.
/heh
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OldLineTexan Wed, Jan 14, 2009 7:27:01pm |
re: #129 Pawn of the Oppressor
Nice try. I know that's your bag of fake Jew gold. Now hand over the real bag!
/South Park rulz
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albusteve Wed, Jan 14, 2009 7:27:07pm |
re: #155 Wishing
Thanks for letting me spew. I yelled all the way home. If ANY of these peeps complain to me about the economy, I WILL tell em what I think!
wait!....why do you want my mercy?
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Vicious Babushka Wed, Jan 14, 2009 7:27:08pm |
re: #155 Wishing
Thanks for letting me spew. I yelled all the way home. If ANY of these peeps complain to me about the economy, I WILL tell em what I think!
Did they pay for the meals they ordered and took home?
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Abu Al-Poopypants Wed, Jan 14, 2009 7:27:17pm |
Filling up on the salad bar so that you can take home your untouched entree and get an extra meal out of it is pretty sleazy. The salad bar isn't free to the restaurant, and a lot of restaurants are going through even harder times that the average person.
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OldLineTexan Wed, Jan 14, 2009 7:27:22pm |
re: #142 Dark_Falcon
Either Peanuts or The Princess Bride I'm guessing.
Snoopy typed that at least once.
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CIA Reject Wed, Jan 14, 2009 7:27:40pm |
re: #136 Silhouette
Suddenly, a shot rang out!
A door slammed.
The maid screamed.
Suddenly, a pirate ship appeared on the horizon!
A rooster crowed.
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jorline Wed, Jan 14, 2009 7:27:42pm |
A Palestinian bends over and the IDF yell "fire in the hole".
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Spare O'Lake Wed, Jan 14, 2009 7:28:07pm |
I trust Israel has been and continues to take delivery of vast amounts of American arms, all they can get their hands on. I also expect that they have been opening arms accounts with the Brits, Russkies, French, Chinese and anyone else who will sell to them - just in case Obama tries to blackmail them by threatening to cut off supplies.
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notutopia Wed, Jan 14, 2009 7:28:36pm |
re: #152 CapeCoddah
O/T check this out, REALLY rabid Palin derangement from a new Boston Herald columnist who's mommy got her the job. She sounds awfully jealous to me, I cant believe she let her pic (rats nest head) be put up next to the Governor's. When you see it, it kinda explains her jealousy.
[Link: www.bostonherald.com...]
She sure has got the envy going strong....
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jwb7605 Wed, Jan 14, 2009 7:28:42pm |
re: #143 SanFranciscoZionist
I hate to get into this weird area of quasi-theology, but I think the virgins are independent of spouses. I think the virgins aren't exactly people, they're heavenly beings of some sort. Hoochie angels. I may find out at some point, according to a gentleman I very briefly learned Arabic from, I'm eligible to get into the 'Muslim section of heaven'. (Perhaps no longer. I only remember about half of the section of the Koran that got me that far.)
Assuming women get virgins. Dunno. I commented at the time that I wasn't sure I was keen on a section of heaven with no booze, which caused the rabbi I was learning with to comment: "OK, let's put this in perspective. NO booze, and beautiful gazelle-eyed boys, versus booze and anemic Ashkenazi angels. In one place you can't drink, and in the other you NEED to drink."
You can always count on your rabbi to make life weirder. At least if you're me.
A place where segregation is a good thing!
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spirochete Wed, Jan 14, 2009 7:28:58pm |
re: #92 notutopia
U.N. Agency That Runs School Hit in Gaza Employed Hamas and Islamic Jihad Members
[Link: www.foxnews.com...]
I've thought this all along.
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Outrider Wed, Jan 14, 2009 7:29:00pm |
re: #149 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Doggie bags are not for salad bars, but, are for entrees. I don't think it is stealing. Forgive me.
Relax. You didn't abet.
dunno. pushing it at the salad bar and using it as the meal.........then bagging their meal?
it's all in the intent. legally? no.
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Silhouette Wed, Jan 14, 2009 7:29:09pm |
#122 Wishing
I get it. They turned what was charged as a side salad into multiple trips. I have a problem with it too.
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Tigger2005 Wed, Jan 14, 2009 7:29:12pm |
re: #55 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)
Houston... we have a rooster fix!
Might not be the right bird, but the stand-in is fine. All is right with the world.
Now, get the IDF rolling hard... they only have 6 days. Used to win wars in that amount of time, hint, hint.
Why 6 days? Do you think they're going to stop for Bambi? I'm sure they don't give a shit what he thinks.
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Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret) Wed, Jan 14, 2009 7:29:20pm |
Night All!
Night Rooster!
Night Achmed!
Night Moon!
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itellu3times Wed, Jan 14, 2009 7:29:31pm |
re: #166 Abu Al-Poopypants
OTOH, getting you out the door is worth money, they can resell the seat. And you stop soaking up the free refills on ice tea or even water.
Given the blimps who will come in and empty out the salad bar entirely, before the entre, it's tough to run a restaurant these days. A lot of take-away is priced into the system.
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Outrider Wed, Jan 14, 2009 7:29:38pm |
re: #151 albusteve
me too...why does she want our mercy?...what am I missing
but you were eating the entree there and clearly meant to.
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Walter L. Newton Wed, Jan 14, 2009 7:30:41pm |
re: #122 Wishing
I'm not sure where the stealing comes in here. They paid for the whole thing right? And they only ate salad and took the entree home, right? They paid for everything, right?
Check me on these questions, because at this point, I'm confused.
I don't know about you, but I am always bringing home every piece of a meal that I paid for, if I don't finish it, or I turn out not to be as hungry as I thought.
I can't afford to just waste food. I will take a food handout anytime I can. Left over anything from an event, I'm not to proud to take something home.
And I know a lot of people who are careful with money, since some of us don't have a lot of it.
I'm confused.
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Maximu§ Wed, Jan 14, 2009 7:30:43pm |
re: #110 x-wing
No, not Ft. Hood. I was 2AD FWD.in Germany for awhile but served in FT.Knox stateside. I felt the same way about Knox as you did Killeen.
Just another fuk'd up military town, their all alike.
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albusteve Wed, Jan 14, 2009 7:30:44pm |
re: #180 Outrider
but you were eating the entree there and clearly meant to.
that was bizzare...I didnt get any of it...how did the people cheat the resturant?
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Jan 14, 2009 7:30:53pm |
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OldLineTexan Wed, Jan 14, 2009 7:31:04pm |
re: #143 SanFranciscoZionist
I hate to get into this weird area of quasi-theology, but I think the virgins are independent of spouses. I think the virgins aren't exactly people, they're heavenly beings of some sort. Hoochie angels. I may find out at some point, according to a gentleman I very briefly learned Arabic from, I'm eligible to get into the 'Muslim section of heaven'. (Perhaps no longer. I only remember about half of the section of the Koran that got me that far.)
Assuming women get virgins. Dunno. I commented at the time that I wasn't sure I was keen on a section of heaven with no booze, which caused the rabbi I was learning with to comment: "OK, let's put this in perspective. NO booze, and beautiful gazelle-eyed boys, versus booze and anemic Ashkenazi angels. In one place you can't drink, and in the other you NEED to drink."
You can always count on your rabbi to make life weirder. At least if you're me.
They may be houris.*
* Odd things you can pick up reading Dune
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Abu Al-Poopypants Wed, Jan 14, 2009 7:31:04pm |
re: #152 CapeCoddah
O/T check this out, REALLY rabid Palin derangement from a new Boston Herald columnist who's mommy got her the job.
Who's the mother?
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x-wing Wed, Jan 14, 2009 7:31:08pm |
re: #166 Abu Al-Poopypants
Thank-you. That is what I was trying to say.
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pre-Boomer Marine brat Wed, Jan 14, 2009 7:31:10pm |
re: #178 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)
G'night!
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Outrider Wed, Jan 14, 2009 7:31:20pm |
re: #161 x-wing
I see what she's saying. True the salad bar is included. But they chowed down on that and took the dinners home for supper the next night.
Cheap-asses usually do that.
not legally stealing. but, in my book it would constitute stealing as they went in with the intent of doing what they did.
I just wouldn't go out with them anymore.
Cheap bastards.
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x-wing Wed, Jan 14, 2009 7:31:52pm |
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The Shadow Do Wed, Jan 14, 2009 7:31:54pm |
I think it is admirable, in fact imperative, that America and Israel conduct warfare in a moral manner. This video is but one of hundreds if not thousands of acts to date that speak clearly to this.
But how moral is it to permit your foe to survive? How moral is it to do the right thing tactically but not strategically? Why is Haniyah and the rest of the leadership permitted to survive the current action when we all know that when the shooting stops it is only temporary?
There should be a thunder run to the hospital and other hiding holes and the net result should be hauling out their sorry asses, dead or alive, by their beards. Yes that would mean bringing massive firepower to bear and there would certainly be innocents killed.
If that results in the terrorists blowing the hospital, etc. then that will be what happens. The denouement is the destruction of the enemy and that, it seems to me, is moral indeed. For all parties. No less moral than Hiroshima and that was a moral act from where I sit.
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Wishing Wed, Jan 14, 2009 7:32:09pm |
re: #132 albusteve
how is this stealing?...I dont get it
They got TWO meals out of it: rather than order, say a chef salad, they just ate the dinner salad that came with dinner. But rather than eat a DINNER salad, ie an entree, they made the entree, by several trips to the salad bar, their main course, which is NOT what the dinner salad is intended for.
They paid for the meal, but wont eat it until tomorrow. They ate salad tonight.
They didn't put something in their pocket, no: but it is stealing just the same, imo.
Two meals for the price of one.
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Backstaber Wed, Jan 14, 2009 7:32:19pm |
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Vicious Babushka Wed, Jan 14, 2009 7:32:20pm |
re: #161 x-wing
I see what she's saying. True the salad bar is included. But they chowed down on that and took the dinners home for supper the next night.
Cheap-asses usually do that.
OK, I get it, but so what, they paid for it.
My brother-in-law is a doctor, and he owns a bunch of property, and he is CHEEEEEP. He is the kind that will stuff his face at "all you can eat" salad bars, and tell the waiter that he's the guest of some random table that has a lot of people. He will crash weddings and bar mitzvahs of people he doesn't know, just for free eats.
This asshole refused to attend my son's wedding in Alabama, claiming he "couldn't afford" an airline ticket. Then, when we came back from Alabama, together with my daughter who came all the way from Israel, guess who was parked in front of our house and standing on the front porch!
Yes, it was Dr. Asshole. And he wanted to know, what time were we eating dinner!
My husband said, "McDonald's is open 24/7"
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notutopia Wed, Jan 14, 2009 7:32:26pm |
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x-wing Wed, Jan 14, 2009 7:32:46pm |
Our rooster should soon speak up. I hear his other buddy is awake.
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Outrider Wed, Jan 14, 2009 7:32:47pm |
re: #181 Walter L. Newton
I'm not sure where the stealing comes in here. They paid for the whole thing right? And they only ate salad and took the entree home, right? They paid for everything, right?
Check me on these questions, because at this point, I'm confused.
I don't know about you, but I am always bringing home every piece of a meal that I paid for, if I don't finish it, or I turn out not to be as hungry as I thought.
I can't afford to just waste food. I will take a food handout anytime I can. Left over anything from an event, I'm not to proud to take something home.
And I know a lot of people who are careful with money, since some of us don't have a lot of it.
I'm confused.
repeated trips to the salad bar to make that the meal and bringing home the entree. it was the intent.
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Outrider Wed, Jan 14, 2009 7:33:45pm |
re: #183 albusteve
that was bizzare...I didnt get any of it...how did the people cheat the resturant?
by making multiple trips to the salad bar to make that their meal. going into the restaurant with that intention.
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mikeymom Wed, Jan 14, 2009 7:33:54pm |
when hubby and i go to casinos in co, and have the free buffet, we are always amazed at the people who have platter after heaping platters of the crab clusters-its truly amazing--
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Wishing Wed, Jan 14, 2009 7:34:32pm |
re: #158 Syrah
That is a pretty weird cheat.
If they are capable of going through the mental gymnastics required to justify what they are doing, then they are capable of doing that with things other than just salad bars.
Syrah, you understand, right? This is stealing, white collar crime, but stealing nonetheless.
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Walter L. Newton Wed, Jan 14, 2009 7:34:33pm |
re: #193 Wishing
They got TWO meals out of it: rather than order, say a chef salad, they just ate the dinner salad that came with dinner. But rather than eat a DINNER salad, ie an entree, they made the entree, by several trips to the salad bar, their main course, which is NOT what the dinner salad is intended for.
They paid for the meal, but wont eat it until tomorrow. They ate salad tonight.
They didn't put something in their pocket, no: but it is stealing just the same, imo.
Two meals for the price of one.
But you said in #122 they PAID for the entree AND salad bar. A salad bar is a all you can eat situation. The eatery expects people to make multiple visits to a salad bar.
Don't worry, the place got paid for both. Geeessshhh.
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albusteve Wed, Jan 14, 2009 7:35:02pm |
re: #193 Wishing
They got TWO meals out of it: rather than order, say a chef salad, they just ate the dinner salad that came with dinner. But rather than eat a DINNER salad, ie an entree, they made the entree, by several trips to the salad bar, their main course, which is NOT what the dinner salad is intended for.
They paid for the meal, but wont eat it until tomorrow. They ate salad tonight.
They didn't put something in their pocket, no: but it is stealing just the same, imo.
Two meals for the price of one.
I see....why do need mercy?....figure of speech?
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itellu3times Wed, Jan 14, 2009 7:35:08pm |
re: #189 Outrider
not legally stealing. but, in my book it would constitute stealing as they went in with the intent of doing what they did.
I just wouldn't go out with them anymore.
Cheap bastards.
It was the "unlimited" salad bar that caused all the trouble, just don't go with them, there.
One place I go with free refills on the ice tea, pretty common, now offers to put more in a cup to go, at the end of the meal. Costs them almost nothing, but I still feel funny about the offer - and usually don't really want it anyway.
Is this going to be one of those ethical dilemmas, like which way to hang the toilet paper, that causes fist-fights between friends?
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Walter L. Newton Wed, Jan 14, 2009 7:35:12pm |
re: #198 Outrider
repeated trips to the salad bar to make that the meal and bringing home the entree. it was the intent.
She said in #122 they PAID for an entree and salad bar. That's what a salad bar is for, multiple trips.
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spirochete Wed, Jan 14, 2009 7:35:33pm |
I did that scam once in college, I borrowed a plate, ate a lot, then returned it.
I was dirt poor then.
I felt guilty years later, so now I overtip waitresses. I know how it feels to have zilch.
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MandyManners Wed, Jan 14, 2009 7:35:46pm |
re: #195 Alouette
OK, I get it, but so what, they paid for it.
My brother-in-law is a doctor, and he owns a bunch of property, and he is CHEEEEEP. He is the kind that will stuff his face at "all you can eat" salad bars, and tell the waiter that he's the guest of some random table that has a lot of people. He will crash weddings and bar mitzvahs of people he doesn't know, just for free eats.
This asshole refused to attend my son's wedding in Alabama, claiming he "couldn't afford" an airline ticket. Then, when we came back from Alabama, together with my daughter who came all the way from Israel, guess who was parked in front of our house and standing on the front porch!
Yes, it was Dr. Asshole. And he wanted to know, what time were we eating dinner!
My husband said, "McDonald's is open 24/7"
Excellent!
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albusteve Wed, Jan 14, 2009 7:35:55pm |
re: #200 Outrider
by making multiple trips to the salad bar to make that their meal. going into the restaurant with that intention.
she didnt make it clear that the salad bar was another meal...another check
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, Jan 14, 2009 7:36:18pm |
Wishing? We forgive you. Don't go out with them again.
Say four "Hell with ya's" and two "Don't bothers".
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OldLineTexan Wed, Jan 14, 2009 7:36:42pm |
re: #201 mikeymom
when hubby and i go to casinos in co, and have the free buffet, we are always amazed at the people who have platter after heaping platters of the crab clusters-its truly amazing--
Don't watch me, then.
/
Seriously, I used to go to a sushi buffet that had crab clusters at night...and I saw guys eating nothing but crab. But you know what? It's a buffet, and it was sitting there.
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Walter L. Newton Wed, Jan 14, 2009 7:36:50pm |
re: #208 spirochete
I did that scam once in college, I borrowed a plate, ate a lot, then returned it. I was dirt poor then. I felt guilty years later, so now I overtip waitresses. I know how it feels to have zilch.
But WISHING said they PAID for an salad bar and entree. A salad bar is for multiple trips, if you are so inclined, and the place certainly works that fact into their price. So I don't see the problem.
You case was different.
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theblakester Wed, Jan 14, 2009 7:37:10pm |
Enough of the damn," they're just civilians "crap. Unless the population proves to me otherwise, they are all culpable to their barbaric ways.
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Outrider Wed, Jan 14, 2009 7:37:11pm |
re: #206 itellu3times
It was the "unlimited" salad bar that caused all the trouble, just don't go with them, there.
One place I go with free refills on the ice tea, pretty common, now offers to put more in a cup to go, at the end of the meal. Costs them almost nothing, but I still feel funny about the offer - and usually don't really want it anyway.
Is this going to be one of those ethical dilemmas, like which way to hang the toilet paper, that causes fist-fights between friends?
that is my thought. they broke no laws, but I don't care for people "gaming" the system.
Anyone can rationalize this behavior in any number of ways (rich restaurant) and will. Have at it. I'll have nothing to do with them.
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Mich-again Wed, Jan 14, 2009 7:37:14pm |
re: #193 Wishing
I know a couple that orders 1 meal and splits it on two plates. They think the typical portions are way too big for one person.
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jamgarr Wed, Jan 14, 2009 7:37:35pm |
Sort of like a tempest in a teapot - but it's a scam in a salad bar.
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Maximu§ Wed, Jan 14, 2009 7:37:48pm |
re: #208 spirochete
I did that scam once in college, I borrowed a plate, ate a lot, then returned it.
I was dirt poor then.
I felt guilty years later, so now I overtip waitresses. I know how it feels to have zilch.
The other week I gave this black homeless guy all the money in my wallet (a whole $12)..I'm not sure if I'm generous or Stupid.
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Outrider Wed, Jan 14, 2009 7:37:55pm |
re: #207 Walter L. Newton
She said in #122 they PAID for an entree and salad bar. That's what a salad bar is for, multiple trips.
believe it is all in the intent prior to going in. But hey, what ever makes you comfortable.
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x-wing Wed, Jan 14, 2009 7:38:01pm |
re: #195 Alouette
To each their own. I couldn't do it. That shame gene I was born with refuses to let me.
And way to tell off Doctor in-law ;>}
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Syrah Wed, Jan 14, 2009 7:38:06pm |
re: #202 Wishing
Syrah, you understand, right? This is stealing, white collar crime, but stealing nonetheless.
It is the knowing and willful abuse of an honor system transaction.
I don't know if it qualifies as an out and out theft, but it certainly is a cheat.
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itellu3times Wed, Jan 14, 2009 7:38:09pm |
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cincinnati_kid37 Wed, Jan 14, 2009 7:38:11pm |
I certainly hope the IDF don't give the one week truce and allow the hamas to regroup/rearm
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jaunte Wed, Jan 14, 2009 7:38:21pm |
I suppose filling your cheeks with salad to eat later is right out.
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OldLineTexan Wed, Jan 14, 2009 7:38:28pm |
re: #216 Mich-again
I know a couple that orders 1 meal and splits it on two plates. They think the typical portions are way too big for one person.
And a lot of weight-loss counselors agree with them.
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albusteve Wed, Jan 14, 2009 7:38:44pm |
re: #207 Walter L. Newton
She said in #122 they PAID for an entree and salad bar. That's what a salad bar is for, multiple trips.
exactly...almost..."ordered meals including the salad bar"
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swamprat Wed, Jan 14, 2009 7:38:53pm |
Israel is disportionately protecting civilians. This is due to their outrageous technological superiority. In the interest of fairness, they should abandon their merciful civilian protection measures and just randomly strike out at Palestine, that way Hamas will not be so humiliated by the jews kindness. It really is disproportionate to kill only those you absolutely must, while doing your best to keep unintended casualites to a bare minimum. The jews should be ashamed of themsevles for making hamas look bad.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, Jan 14, 2009 7:39:10pm |
re: #216 Mich-again
I know a couple that orders 1 meal and splits it on two plates. They think the typical portions are way too big for one person.
The portions are too big. Nothing wrong with it. Some restaurants even charge an extra buck or two for a split portion.
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Walter L. Newton Wed, Jan 14, 2009 7:39:32pm |
re: #220 Outrider
believe it is all in the intent prior to going in. But hey, what ever makes you comfortable.
I'm not saying that it is "cool," but WISHING indicated it was stealing, which I don't agree with that premise.
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spirochete Wed, Jan 14, 2009 7:39:48pm |
re: #213 Walter L. Newton
But WISHING said they PAID for an salad bar and entree. A salad bar is for multiple trips, if you are so inclined, and the place certainly works that fact into their price. So I don't see the problem.
You case was different.
True. Big difference.
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OldLineTexan Wed, Jan 14, 2009 7:39:49pm |
re: #223 itellu3times
crab clusters?
/insert joke here
HA! I've seen a LOT of clusters.
The crab ones are the TASTIEST!
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Wishing Wed, Jan 14, 2009 7:39:54pm |
re: #189 Outrider
not legally stealing. but, in my book it would constitute stealing as they went in with the intent of doing what they did.
I just wouldn't go out with them anymore.
Cheap bastards.
Yes, cheap screams from this incident, but it is MUCH deeper than that. This is like with malice aforethought. It is all about *what can I GET from this place*. It isnt like they arrived at the restaurant and got queasy: no no...they never intended to eat the main course, but rather to fill up on the restaurant's salad bar. Theft, I tell ya!
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OldLineTexan Wed, Jan 14, 2009 7:40:26pm |
re: #225 jaunte
I suppose filling your cheeks with salad to eat later is right out.
Which cheeks?
/I think that's an important question.
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pre-Boomer Marine brat Wed, Jan 14, 2009 7:40:27pm |
re: #224 cincinnati_kid37
I certainly hope the IDF don't give the one week truce and allow the hamas to regroup/rearm
Be clear on this. The IDF won't be the ones giving a truce. If one occurs, you can dead-nuts pin it on the Israeli Cabinet.
/opportunistic politician bastards
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itellu3times Wed, Jan 14, 2009 7:40:29pm |
re: #228 swamprat
I suppose you meant that facetiously, but with some minor rephrasing I think it's true.
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Silhouette Wed, Jan 14, 2009 7:40:30pm |
At many restaurants, when you order the "salad bar as a meal," it cost more than if you order the salad bar as a side salad WITH a meal. At a place like Ruby Tuesday, for example, the "salad with a meal" is something like $2.99, whereas just the salad bar is something like $8.99.
Because on average, people will eat much less from the bar when they are also eating the meal.
These people ate as much as they would have had they ordered the "salad bar as a meal" because that's what they did, ate it as their meal. But they paid the "side salad" price.
Yes, they paid for the dinner they took home. The cheating is not there.
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Outrider Wed, Jan 14, 2009 7:40:45pm |
re: #231 Walter L. Newton
I'm not saying that it is "cool," but WISHING indicated it was stealing, which I don't agree with that premise.
no, I said it is not legally stealing. I just said it was "gaming" the system and I hate that crap. But then, I share my toys with others too. ;-)>
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jamgarr Wed, Jan 14, 2009 7:40:55pm |
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angrymimi Wed, Jan 14, 2009 7:40:56pm |
Hi! Just wanted to say that I've been watching the Gazacam and there's been alot of artillary flying around.
And just once, - the token gaza rooster was heard.
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Walter L. Newton Wed, Jan 14, 2009 7:41:05pm |
re: #234 Wishing
Yes, cheap screams from this incident, but it is MUCH deeper than that. This is like with malice aforethought. It is all about *what can I GET from this place*. It isnt like they arrived at the restaurant and got queasy: no no...they never intended to eat the main course, but rather to fill up on the restaurant's salad bar. Theft, I tell ya!
If it was a SALAD BAR, it was not theft, period. Cheap, maybe, theft, no.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, Jan 14, 2009 7:41:30pm |
re: #234 Wishing
None of my business (but you brought it up)...I'm going out on a limb here;
You really don't like these folks much to begin with, do you?
Kick the dust off of your sandals and move on.
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Wishing Wed, Jan 14, 2009 7:41:40pm |
re: #231 Walter L. Newton
I'm not saying that it is "cool," but WISHING indicated it was stealing, which I don't agree with that premise.
Walter, a dinner salad is an entree that comnes before the main course, aas a general rule. You eat a small salad and then eat the main course. They paid for the meal, which came with a dinner salad. They turned the dinner salad into an *all you can eat* bonanza.
Get it now?
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spirochete Wed, Jan 14, 2009 7:41:54pm |
re: #219 Maximu§
The other week I gave this black homeless guy all the money in my wallet (a whole $12)..I'm not sure if I'm generous or Stupid.
I gave a guy in an airport over Christmas $50 because he was "stuck" there for the night. I gave him my card and we'll see if he ever repays me. Not holding my breath.
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Jan 14, 2009 7:42:08pm |
re: #224 cincinnati_kid37
I certainly hope the IDF don't give the one week truce and allow the hamas to regroup/rearm
Agreed. A truce right now would be a very bad idea. If Hamas wished for peace, they would stop the rockets. But they will never want peace because war is their reason for being. Again I say:
Hamas Delenda Est. That is the surest path to peace.
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Age Of Freedom Wed, Jan 14, 2009 7:42:10pm |
Still, what's really important is bodycount, even if it's only on the side of evil and that it's totally its fault.
/ MSM, UN, Haters, human rights organizations MA™, etc.
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rabidfox Wed, Jan 14, 2009 7:42:13pm |
Does anyone who's watching the Gaza cam know what that bright light thta lasted for almost 15 seconds was?
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Outrider Wed, Jan 14, 2009 7:42:19pm |
re: #243 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
None of my business (but you brought it up)...I'm going out on a limb here;
You really don't like these folks much to begin with, do you?Kick the dust off of your sandals and move on.
that is it. scrape them off and get higher class friends.
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Mich-again Wed, Jan 14, 2009 7:42:32pm |
re: #230 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
The portions are too big. Nothing wrong with it. Some restaurants even charge an extra buck or two for a split portion.
Ever try to order a lunch meal off the menu at a Chinese restaurant in the evening? Its the same same stuff, just less of it, right? But I have never seen a Chinese restaurant that would do that. The waitress looks at you like you are crazy.
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angrymimi Wed, Jan 14, 2009 7:42:40pm |
re: #249 rabidfox
Does anyone who's watching the Gaza cam know what that bright light thta lasted for almost 15 seconds was?
On the right side?
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albusteve Wed, Jan 14, 2009 7:42:53pm |
re: #244 Wishing
Walter, a dinner salad is an entree that comnes before the main course, aas a general rule. You eat a small salad and then eat the main course. They paid for the meal, which came with a dinner salad. They turned the dinner salad into an *all you can eat* bonanza.
Get it now?
but you said they ordered the salad bar...did they or not?
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notutopia Wed, Jan 14, 2009 7:43:00pm |
re: #225 jaunte
I suppose filling your cheeks with salad to eat later is right out.
You Squirrel you!
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pre-Boomer Marine brat Wed, Jan 14, 2009 7:43:04pm |
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CapeCoddah Wed, Jan 14, 2009 7:43:07pm |
re: #186 Abu Al-Poopypants
Who's the mother?
Boston connected. I would rather not identify her, she is not a public figure.
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Walter L. Newton Wed, Jan 14, 2009 7:43:25pm |
re: #244 Wishing
Walter, a dinner salad is an entree that comnes before the main course, aas a general rule. You eat a small salad and then eat the main course. They paid for the meal, which came with a dinner salad. They turned the dinner salad into an *all you can eat* bonanza.
Get it now?
You said they paid for a entree and salad bar. In your #122. If you didn't mean salad bar, you should have said dinner salad. No, you said "Both couples ordered meals, including the salad bar."
Now you are changing your story. So, which is it?
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jorline Wed, Jan 14, 2009 7:43:32pm |
The Rooster is the King in Gaza...everyone else is chicken shit!
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Sharmuta Wed, Jan 14, 2009 7:43:49pm |
Deliberately calling off missiles to avoid civilian casualties, but I'm supposed to believe there's a genocide going on.
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Outrider Wed, Jan 14, 2009 7:44:09pm |
re: #254 albusteve
but you said they ordered the salad bar...did they or not?
she is saying they ordered salad with a meal. A salad bar is different.
salad with a meal is one trip. Salad bar is all you can eat thingee.
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reine.de.tout Wed, Jan 14, 2009 7:44:11pm |
re: #200 Outrider
by making multiple trips to the salad bar to make that their meal. going into the restaurant with that intention.
They abused the privilege of buffet, is what I'm hearing.
Some restaurants charge one price for the full, all-you-can-eat salad bar, and a second price for a one-time trip because the person gets a meal and wants a small salad with the meal.
If these folks paid the one-trip price and then made several trips - not right.
However, if they paid the full several-trip price, plus ordered an entree, then I don't see the problem.
If the restaurant only has one price for the salad bar, AND their policy is that the salad bar is all-you-can-eat - then I don't quite see the problem there either.
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itellu3times Wed, Jan 14, 2009 7:44:18pm |
re: #238 Silhouette
I'm sure this isn't worth the depth of discussion, but the fact that they came in the door at all is a big plus to the restaurant, and in part the fact that you came in, was the fact that they were willing to go there. As long as they left a tip for the full meal, I think the restaurant was happy with the deal. Unless you're saying they ate just a humongous amount of salad bar - but I know they didn't, cuz people who eat humongous, would have eaten the entree there, too.
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Vicious Babushka Wed, Jan 14, 2009 7:44:18pm |
re: #244 Wishing
Walter, a dinner salad is an entree that comnes before the main course, aas a general rule. You eat a small salad and then eat the main course. They paid for the meal, which came with a dinner salad. They turned the dinner salad into an *all you can eat* bonanza.
Get it now?
OK, so they are cheapkates, but my brother-in-law can out-cheap their asses.
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spirochete Wed, Jan 14, 2009 7:44:22pm |
Behold the Rooster. There are many like it, but this one is mine.
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Wishing Wed, Jan 14, 2009 7:44:30pm |
re: #243 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
LOL thanks FBV! In the past I have seen one of the couples teach their son how cheat a hotel to think he was *children* rate when he wasn't. So I have been suspect. But this was over the top, imo.
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Mich-again Wed, Jan 14, 2009 7:44:34pm |
re: #244 Wishing
Sometimes I get a whole plate full of beets at the salad bar. Is that OK?
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Spare O'Lake Wed, Jan 14, 2009 7:44:36pm |
re: #203 Walter L. Newton
But you said in #122 they PAID for the entree AND salad bar. A salad bar is a all you can eat situation. The eatery expects people to make multiple visits to a salad bar.
Don't worry, the place got paid for both. Geeessshhh.
It's certainly not stealing. Yes, they are cheap assholes but the real problem is the restaurant's assumption that people will not act like such greedy swine. If too many customers do this then the restaurant will reassess its all-you-can-eat policy. The restaurant also has the option of telling these people that they are no longer welcome there and that they should find somewhere else to eat.
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Wishing Wed, Jan 14, 2009 7:45:02pm |
re: #249 rabidfox
Does anyone who's watching the Gaza cam know what that bright light thta lasted for almost 15 seconds was?
Phospherous, would be my guess.
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Outrider Wed, Jan 14, 2009 7:45:07pm |
ok we just getting all "lawyer" with this salad shit. I quit.
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angrymimi Wed, Jan 14, 2009 7:45:18pm |
re: #261 rabidfox
I don't know the actual name - but I believe it was a flare.
Hoping to run the cockroaches scurrying.
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Walter L. Newton Wed, Jan 14, 2009 7:45:25pm |
re: #246 spirochete
I gave a guy in an airport over Christmas $50 because he was "stuck" there for the night. I gave him my card and we'll see if he ever repays me. Not holding my breath.
I NEVER give money to anyone, friend, family or what ever, with any thought of getting it back. It causes to much trouble. And I give money even now, as broke as I am most of the time, but never ask for it back.
It's a gift, it comes from someone's need, not my need to be paid back.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Wed, Jan 14, 2009 7:45:40pm |
re: #201 mikeymom
when hubby and i go to casinos in co, and have the free buffet, we are always amazed at the people who have platter after heaping platters of the crab clusters-its truly amazing--
I find that pretty amazing myself. I have tried crab, lobster, shrimp, etc., on many occasions, and have been very unimpressed. Considering the "cost to flavor" ratio, I'd rather have tri-tip. Hell, even if the price per pound were exactly the same, I'd still prefer tri-tip.
Tri-tip :Homer Simpson groan:. I think I'll visit the butcher tomorrow.
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itellu3times Wed, Jan 14, 2009 7:45:52pm |
re: #260 Sharmuta
Deliberately calling off missiles to avoid civilian casualties, but I'm supposed to believe there's a genocide going on.
Yes, I suppose that's why they show the film.
Most of us dismiss the accusation so quickly, it's easy to forget it's worth countering now and then.
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angrymimi Wed, Jan 14, 2009 7:46:03pm |
re: #266 spirochete
Behold the Rooster. There are many like it, but this one is mine.
Ah the mighty rooster......here here!
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Walter L. Newton Wed, Jan 14, 2009 7:46:08pm |
re: #262 Outrider
she is saying they ordered salad with a meal. A salad bar is different.
salad with a meal is one trip. Salad bar is all you can eat thingee.
Would you please read WISHINGS number 122. It says "Both couples ordered meals, including the salad bar."
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spirochete Wed, Jan 14, 2009 7:46:09pm |
re: #274 Walter L. Newton
I NEVER give money to anyone, friend, family or what ever, with any thought of getting it back. It causes to much trouble. And I give money even now, as broke as I am most of the time, but never ask for it back.
It's a gift, it comes from someone's need, not my need to be paid back.
He asked for my card, so I gave it to him.
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albusteve Wed, Jan 14, 2009 7:46:21pm |
re: #262 Outrider
she is saying they ordered salad with a meal. A salad bar is different.
salad with a meal is one trip. Salad bar is all you can eat thingee.
wrong...read it again
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Wishing Wed, Jan 14, 2009 7:46:23pm |
re: #264 itellu3times
I'm sure this isn't worth the depth of discussion, but the fact that they came in the door at all is a big plus to the restaurant, and in part the fact that you came in, was the fact that they were willing to go there. As long as they left a tip for the full meal, I think the restaurant was happy with the deal. Unless you're saying they ate just a humongous amount of salad bar - but I know they didn't, cuz people who eat humongous, would have eaten the entree there, too.
They DID eat a humungous amount of salad bar! But they PAID FOR A DINNER SALAD.
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Abu Al-Poopypants Wed, Jan 14, 2009 7:46:27pm |
re: #257 CapeCoddah
Boston connected. I would rather not identify her, she is not a public figure.
That's more like something I'd associate with the Globe's bowtied-bumkissers than the Herald.
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Silhouette Wed, Jan 14, 2009 7:46:33pm |
This money saving "tip" is at a site about saving at Disneyworld.
I still can't decide what I think about it ethically.
Here's a clever trick light eaters can use at counter-service restaurants at Walt Disney World: order one double cheeseburger combo meal and ask for an extra bun, which costs 79 or 89 cents. (Price varies from location to location. The cashiers actually have an "extra bun" button on the register, so this is not an unusual request.) Then take one of the hamburger patties off the double burger, and put it on the extra bun. Most of the counter-service restaurants have a condiment bar where you can add any toppings you like to the two burgers.
It's the filling out the burgers with the condiment bar that throws it into questionable territory with me. Up until then, they were just splitting a meal they paid for.
But built into the price of that one burger is one person's worth of condiments (I recall there was lettuce, tomato, etc.), not two.
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Mich-again Wed, Jan 14, 2009 7:46:36pm |
re: #274 Walter L. Newton
If you loan somebody $20 and you never see them again... you got off cheap.
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reine.de.tout Wed, Jan 14, 2009 7:46:46pm |
re: #225 jaunte
I suppose filling your cheeks with salad to eat later is right out.
rofl!
And the reason I'm laughing . . .
My mom was always very small, and my grandmother once told me a story - when my mom was a kid and they were trying to get her to eat - they found her once, long time after the meal, with her cheeks stuffed.
She had "taken bites" as directed, but never swallowed the food, just let it sit in her cheeks until, I guess, she could get away and spit it out.
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itellu3times Wed, Jan 14, 2009 7:46:54pm |
Do you serve crabs here?
Yes, we serve everyone, come in and sit down!
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Outrider Wed, Jan 14, 2009 7:47:04pm |
re: #279 Walter L. Newton
Would you please read WISHINGS number 122. It says "Both couples ordered meals, including the salad bar."
see my #272. ;-)>
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OldLineTexan Wed, Jan 14, 2009 7:47:47pm |
Things I have heard at restauraunts:
YOU! Sign say all you can eat, not you eat it all!
YOU! You with fat man? You one plate only!
YOU! Sign say all you can eat. Well, I say that all you can eat. You go home now!
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jaunte Wed, Jan 14, 2009 7:48:25pm |
re: #287 reine.de.tout
Same thing happened to a younger cousin of mine, who kept having to get up from the table, tight-lipped, and go get rid of the food he didn't like.
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spirochete Wed, Jan 14, 2009 7:48:27pm |
The Rooster cares not for condiments or salad bars or cheapskate physicians. Just noise making. Ah yes, noise making.
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OldLineTexan Wed, Jan 14, 2009 7:48:47pm |
re: #268 Mich-again
Sometimes I get a whole plate full of beets at the salad bar. Is that OK?
As long as you are not depriving starving children in India that would LOVE to have those beets, I think you're OK.
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Mich-again Wed, Jan 14, 2009 7:49:07pm |
re: #291 OldLineTexan
YOU! Sign say all you can eat. Well, I say that all you can eat. You go home now!
Would that have happened to been at an establishment where the #4 was almond chicken?
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Wishing Wed, Jan 14, 2009 7:49:27pm |
Ok, I messed everyone up right from the get-go: they did NOT order a salad BAR. They ordered a DINNER SALAD with their main course.
They turned their dinner salad INTO a salad bar, several trips etc, never touched their main course.
Sorry for the confusion!
Mea culpa, etc?
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Abu Al-Poopypants Wed, Jan 14, 2009 7:49:32pm |
re: #283 Wishing
I'm guessing you're probably regretting bringing it up about now.
You know those bowls of hard candy they often have near the door at restaurants? My late father-in-law would carry a plastic bag in so that he could fill it up on the way out. "What!? It's free!".
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Walter L. Newton Wed, Jan 14, 2009 7:49:33pm |
re: #286 Mich-again
If you loan somebody $20 and you never see them again... you got off cheap.
I don't loan anyone money. No a penny. Never have, never will. If there is a need, and I can help, I GIVE them something and walk away.
Tzedakah.
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Wed, Jan 14, 2009 7:49:37pm |
re: #293 jaunte
Same thing happened to a younger cousin of mine, who kept having to get up from the table, tight-lipped, and go get rid of the food he didn't like.
Ha! I can top that. My grandparents had a strange smell in their living room. After much searching they found the source of it all--my uncle was stuffing his meat into a hole in the table leg.
They had his adenoids & tonsils out and it fixed the problem--he was having trouble swallowing.
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reine.de.tout Wed, Jan 14, 2009 7:49:42pm |
re: #278 ploome hineni
the only reason to eat at a restauran like that, is if it happens to be off the exit ramp of the freeway, and you have to go to the washroom also
Well, unless it's a Waffle House.
Waffle House is good anytime.
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notutopia Wed, Jan 14, 2009 7:49:43pm |
re: #287 reine.de.tout
LMAO....I used to do this with the Liver and Onions bit as a kid.
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itellu3times Wed, Jan 14, 2009 7:49:57pm |
re: #295 OldLineTexan
As long as you are not depriving starving children in India that would LOVE to have those beets, I think you're OK.
They could be taught to love them. They should be taught to love them. We're increasing your taxes so they will be taught to love them.
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Outrider Wed, Jan 14, 2009 7:50:01pm |
re: #295 OldLineTexan
As long as you are not depriving starving children in India that would LOVE to have those beets, I think you're OK.
I offered to mail them veggies to the kids in Bangladesh one time when Ma made that comment. Later, as I was pulling my face out of the dish...........
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albusteve Wed, Jan 14, 2009 7:50:23pm |
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jorline Wed, Jan 14, 2009 7:50:26pm |
Confucius say...when the cock crows in Gaza it's time for me to go to bed.
Good night, Lizards.
Long live the Rooster!
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jaunte Wed, Jan 14, 2009 7:50:26pm |
re: #291 OldLineTexan
"Hey, this hot table isn't keeping the beef and broccoli warm."
"DIG TO MIDDLE!"
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Walter L. Newton Wed, Jan 14, 2009 7:50:34pm |
re: #297 Wishing
Ok, I messed everyone up right from the get-go: they did NOT order a salad BAR. They ordered a DINNER SALAD with their main course.
They turned their dinner salad INTO a salad bar, several trips etc, never touched their main course.
Sorry for the confusion!
Mea culpa, etc?
Thiefs!
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Maximu§ Wed, Jan 14, 2009 7:50:42pm |
re: #280 spirochete
He asked for my card, so I gave it to him.
Thats cause your a Good person, my Momma says good deeds never go unanswered. In other words, what comes around goes around.
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Outrider Wed, Jan 14, 2009 7:50:54pm |
re: #298 Abu Al-Poopypants
I'm guessing you're probably regretting bringing it up about now.
You know those bowls of hard candy they often have near the door at restaurants? My late father-in-law would carry a plastic bag in so that he could fill it up on the way out. "What!? It's free!".
kinda like emptying out the toothpick and matches container eh?
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itellu3times Wed, Jan 14, 2009 7:51:00pm |
re: #297 Wishing
Ok, I messed everyone up right from the get-go: they did NOT order a salad BAR. They ordered a DINNER SALAD with their main course.
They turned their dinner salad INTO a salad bar, several trips etc, never touched their main course.
Sorry for the confusion!
Mea culpa, etc?
Why was it allowed? If they snuck an unlimited salad, OK, I see the point. I hereby retract all previous comments on the subject.
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reine.de.tout Wed, Jan 14, 2009 7:51:09pm |
re: #297 Wishing
Ok, I messed everyone up right from the get-go: they did NOT order a salad BAR. They ordered a DINNER SALAD with their main course.
They turned their dinner salad INTO a salad bar, several trips etc, never touched their main course.
Sorry for the confusion!
Mea culpa, etc?
Well, then, you're right. That was stealing and cheating, and just not the right thing to do at all.
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Walter L. Newton Wed, Jan 14, 2009 7:51:18pm |
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albusteve Wed, Jan 14, 2009 7:51:25pm |
re: #297 Wishing
Ok, I messed everyone up right from the get-go: they did NOT order a salad BAR. They ordered a DINNER SALAD with their main course.
They turned their dinner salad INTO a salad bar, several trips etc, never touched their main course.
Sorry for the confusion!
Mea culpa, etc?
did they get plenty of beets?...that's the issue here :)
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, Jan 14, 2009 7:51:30pm |
re: #267 Wishing
You are obviously a sweet honest person. I'm just a fat bastard, but I would simply suggest that you get a little more oblivious to the world.
"I've seen shit that'll turn you white!"
- Winston Zeddmore
Like I told my father who was complaining of the way people were taking care of a "Habitat for Humanity" house he helped build, "Dad, please don't drive by the house anymore."
Hoping the world will conform to your view of right and wrong is a futile and exasperating experience.
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Wishing Wed, Jan 14, 2009 7:51:52pm |
re: #298 Abu Al-Poopypants
I'm guessing you're probably regretting bringing it up about now.
You know those bowls of hard candy they often have near the door at restaurants? My late father-in-law would carry a plastic bag in so that he could fill it up on the way out. "What!? It's free!".
I am SURE they knew your father-in-law.
And by this time, I am ready to forgive the cheapskates and go out to dinner with em again. LOLOLOL
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avanti Wed, Jan 14, 2009 7:52:00pm |
re: #201 mikeymom
when hubby and i go to casinos in co, and have the free buffet, we are always amazed at the people who have platter after heaping platters of the crab clusters-its truly amazing--
I go to the casino about twice a month, and I grab every food, room and beverage comp I can get. Casino's have marketing down to a science with 4 levels of player cards to cover everything from free buffet for the 25 cent slot players, to suites and free air for their best players. I was embarrassed to ask for a lot of freebies at first, but I hit them hard now. They even have a "companion" card for your wife or bimbo so she can get perks.
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reine.de.tout Wed, Jan 14, 2009 7:52:08pm |
re: #268 Mich-again
Sometimes I get a whole plate full of beets at the salad bar. Is that OK?
That's fine.
I cannot for the life of me figure out how anybody likes beets.
so if you don't eat 'em, they would still be there at the end of the day.
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Dancing along the light of day Wed, Jan 14, 2009 7:52:09pm |
BIG boom to the right of the tower!
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Abu Al-Poopypants Wed, Jan 14, 2009 7:52:23pm |
"You here four hour!
You go home NOW!"
--John Pinette
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Outrider Wed, Jan 14, 2009 7:52:42pm |
re: #306 albusteve
that's cool
I got to thinking and that sounded rude.
I meant I had stated my position and the "friends" position was in doubt. Every thing else would be repetitious ad infinitum. ;-)>
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OldLineTexan Wed, Jan 14, 2009 7:52:47pm |
re: #296 Mich-again
Would that have happened to been at an establishment where the #4 was almond chicken?
Heh heh.
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Vicious Babushka Wed, Jan 14, 2009 7:53:00pm |
re: #293 jaunte
Same thing happened to a younger cousin of mine, who kept having to get up from the table, tight-lipped, and go get rid of the food he didn't like.
When my husband was a kid, he used to slip his string beans on his lap and fold them up in his napkin. Then he would ask to go to the bathroom, and hide the string beans in the toilet tank (he didn't flush them, because he was afraid they would clog up the toilet).
OK here is the punch line. Years and years later, after we were married and had a couple of kids, my father-in-law opened up the toilet tank and found the string beans.
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Sharmuta Wed, Jan 14, 2009 7:53:01pm |
re: #276 itellu3times
Yes, I suppose that's why they show the film.
Most of us dismiss the accusation so quickly, it's easy to forget it's worth countering now and then.
The meme of Israeli genocide runs deep- it should be countered daily.
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itellu3times Wed, Jan 14, 2009 7:53:09pm |
re: #312 Outrider
kinda like emptying out the toothpick and matches container eh?
I have a friend who has a habit of lifting a good supply of sweetener packets and those tiny cream widgets, but it has not yet caused the fall of western civilization.
Or, wait a minute, ...
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lifeofthemind Wed, Jan 14, 2009 7:53:11pm |
Was that outgoing ordnance? Can almost here the commentary
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Maximu§ Wed, Jan 14, 2009 7:53:12pm |
re: #303 x-wing
Yes
pre-Boomer Marine brat may be right, that sucker is firing too fast for a .50 cal.
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Wed, Jan 14, 2009 7:53:16pm |
My last comment disappeared into the time-space continuum. I meant to say that the table was in the dining room, not the living room.
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Walter L. Newton Wed, Jan 14, 2009 7:53:17pm |
re: #314 reine.de.tout
Well, then, you're right. That was stealing and cheating, and just not the right thing to do at all.
(I've posted this before, I think, from my ignored and badly managed blog)
This blog entry is NOT INTENDED TO CONDON STEALING. Now that I got the disclaimer out of the way, hopefully I won’t be writing an entry on how to obtain a lawyer pro-bono.
Let’s face it, the price of everything is going up. I never thought there would be a time that I actually had to make a decision if I was going to purchase a magazine or a days worth of food. But there are still ways to save money. There’s a lot of free stuff available if you look close. Here are some suggestions get you started.
Condiments: Fast food places seem only to glad to leave a veritable feast of condiments at your fingertips. Ketchup, mustard, salad dressings, salt and pepper, mayonnaise, hot sauce, sugar and sweetener, coffee creamer and so much more. Why do you think they give you such a big bag for one lonely burger and fries? Fill it up.
Reading material: Religious groups are happy to pass on all sorts of free magazines, brochures, propaganda (did I say that) and such. You can even find reading material for your children. Jehovah’s Witnesses offer the best deal… they’ll deliver to your door.
Bathroom items: Ever see that stack of toilet paper rolls in public restrooms? Need I say more.
Clothes: Make your rounds of the Laundromats. There is always a pile of clothe items that the owner has found left in the machines. But only take what you need, and it’s not good etiquette to try on the underwear there. Wait until you get home.
Furniture: Visit some large apartment complexes around the end or the beginning of the month. Folks who are moving in or out are always leaving unneeded items around the dumpsters. If you really want to get innovative, scotch tape a “wanted” list to one of the dumpsters.
Odds and Ends: When you go to Goodwill (you do shop at Goodwill, don't you), do some creative designing. Put that candle holder you want into that wicket basket you want and clip those earrings you want to the outside of the basket. Take the price tags off of everything except the basket. Tell the check out clerk that you love collecting kindergarten art projects. They'll never know the difference.
Food: For Sunday dinner, take the entire family to Sam's Club and dine on the free samples.
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jwb7605 Wed, Jan 14, 2009 7:53:34pm |
re: #292 Outrider
#272 ;-)>
You don't seem to understand.
The party of the first part claims that the party of the second part has committed grievous to a corporation or otherwise legally registered entity, herewith unnamed as a non-participatory entity, and has willfully deceived or otherwise caused non quantifiable damage to unnamed corporation, causing grevious damage to the party of the first part, including damage not limited to ego, and wishes the court's approval of the party of the first part, including, but not limited to, condemnation of the party of the second part's behavior and motive.
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albusteve Wed, Jan 14, 2009 7:53:35pm |
re: #322 avanti
I go to the casino about twice a month, and I grab every food, room and beverage comp I can get. Casino's have marketing down to a science with 4 levels of player cards to cover everything from free buffet for the 25 cent slot players, to suites and free air for their best players. I was embarrassed to ask for a lot of freebies at first, but I hit them hard now. They even have a "companion" card for your wife or bimbo so she can get perks.
my ex wife is a master of that game...takes a special kind of personality me thinks
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reine.de.tout Wed, Jan 14, 2009 7:53:47pm |
re: #315 ploome hineni
:D
never eat waffles
Have you ever eaten at a waffle house?
On a trip once to visit my sis-in-law, we came to a place where there were FOUR Waffe Houses at an interstate interchange.
The Roi pointed out that I should be in heaven. A Waffle House at every corner!
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OldLineTexan Wed, Jan 14, 2009 7:53:59pm |
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Walter L. Newton Wed, Jan 14, 2009 7:54:04pm |
re: #318 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Hoping the world will conform to your view of right and wrong is a futile and exasperating experience.
NO IT"S NOT!
/
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Silhouette Wed, Jan 14, 2009 7:54:05pm |
This salad bar thing is actually very funny.
We've had an ongoing debate at my office for years on abusing the free refill at a restaurant for use later at the office.
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reine.de.tout Wed, Jan 14, 2009 7:54:09pm |
re: #328 ploome hineni
best breakfast
fresh baguette with gambozola cheese
and a turkish coffee
That sounds good!
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OldLineTexan Wed, Jan 14, 2009 7:54:52pm |
re: #323 reine.de.tout
That's fine.
I cannot for the life of me figure out how anybody likes beets.
so if you don't eat 'em, they would still be there at the end of the day.
I loves me some pickled beets.
But the kidneystones say to limit my servings...
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itellu3times Wed, Jan 14, 2009 7:54:57pm |
re: #331 Sharmuta
The meme of Israeli genocide runs deep
Victim, perpetrator, it's all about the same, hey?
/ow my head
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angrymimi Wed, Jan 14, 2009 7:54:58pm |
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albusteve Wed, Jan 14, 2009 7:55:08pm |
re: #327 Outrider
I got to thinking and that sounded rude.
I meant I had stated my position and the "friends" position was in doubt. Every thing else would be repetitious ad infinitum. ;-)>
nobody can offend me...it's all sorted out now so let's go cop some more beets eh?
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CapeCoddah Wed, Jan 14, 2009 7:55:16pm |
re: #284 Abu Al-Poopypants
That's more like something I'd associate with the Globe's bowtied-bumkissers than the Herald.
Howie Fan? DO you live in New England, Abu? We are organizing a Boston meet, e-mail me if you are interested.
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jaunte Wed, Jan 14, 2009 7:55:36pm |
re: #332 itellu3times
Paulson announces $40 billion sweetener packet and tiny cream widget bailout.
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stevieray Wed, Jan 14, 2009 7:55:39pm |
Interesting salad bar conundrum...
What if they were big eaters... they made multiple trips to the salad bar, and then ate their dinners... took nothing home.
The restaurant used exactly the same food, for the same price... would that be stealing? No.
The fact that they took the entrees home cost the restaurant nothing... the free meal they eat tomorrow isn't cutting into the restaurant's next-day receipts.
Its no different that those "all you can eat" restaurants... many folks go there, and only eat the king crab legs and shrimp-in-the-rough... is it stealing because they aren't filling up on bread and lettuce?
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mikeymom Wed, Jan 14, 2009 7:55:44pm |
re: #322 avanti
oh yes--hubby and i use every comp we get--we earned them after all--i'm just commenting on the gluttony of some people-and its disgusting to see them power eat the crabs--sucking every last morsel-butter running down their chins--yucky!
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jwb7605 Wed, Jan 14, 2009 7:55:46pm |
re: #297 Wishing
Ok, I messed everyone up right from the get-go: they did NOT order a salad BAR. They ordered a DINNER SALAD with their main course.
They turned their dinner salad INTO a salad bar, several trips etc, never touched their main course.
Sorry for the confusion!
Mea culpa, etc?
In that case, they cheated. The dives I go to offer "the full monte", "salad bar only", or dinner with salad or soup, which is brought on a plate before the meal.
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Mich-again Wed, Jan 14, 2009 7:55:47pm |
re: #297 Wishing
In that case they probably violated a health department regulation. You are supposed to get a clean plate every trip to a salad bar. By sneaking the same plate back up and contaminating the serving utensils that touched their plate they endangered the health of every other customer.
Had I seen that happen as just another customer having dinner at the restaurant, I am the guy who would call them out right there much to the dismay of my wife who gets mad when I do stuff like that. I have no tolerance for that. And if I was sitting there at the table with them, it would be no different. "Hey guys, you can't do that. No one wants your germs. " That was easy.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, Jan 14, 2009 7:56:03pm |
re: #336 Walter L. Newton
Upding after third paragraph! LOL!
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Walter L. Newton Wed, Jan 14, 2009 7:56:21pm |
re: #345 Maximu§
Back to work gang....cya all later
And they are fattening. Ten calories a beet slice, which can add up if you really like them like I do. A lot of people look at them as a veggie, but, they are very high in sugar.
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Killian Bundy Wed, Jan 14, 2009 7:56:21pm |
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lifeofthemind Wed, Jan 14, 2009 7:56:27pm |
re: #348 angrymimi
Not close enough.
(was that bad?)
Depends what kind of neighborhood you live in.
They say you can't choose your family but you can choose your neighbors. The Israelis have no such luck.
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Wishing Wed, Jan 14, 2009 7:56:38pm |
re: #318 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
You are obviously a sweet honest person. I'm just a fat bastard, but I would simply suggest that you get a little more oblivious to the world.
"I've seen shit that'll turn you white!"
- Winston ZeddmoreLike I told my father who was complaining of the way people were taking care of a "Habitat for Humanity" house he helped build, "Dad, please don't drive by the house anymore."
Hoping the world will conform to your view of right and wrong is a futile and exasperating experience.
Well, I guess it is the hypocrisy...What do I know? Maybe that is how they GOT wealthy?
On our way home, I thanked my husband for being a man of integrity. We may not have all their money, but we at least have some decency!
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OldLineTexan Wed, Jan 14, 2009 7:57:05pm |
re: #344 reine.de.tout
That sounds good!
I used to make gambozola cheese.
It's not difficult; you crumble in some gambo cheese, then you add the shreds of zola cheese.
One time I put the zola cheese in first and got zolagambo cheese, but everyone knows there's no such thing as zolagambo cheese, and it disappeared in a space/time rift with sort of a squishy popping noise.
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x-wing Wed, Jan 14, 2009 7:57:11pm |
re: #323 reine.de.tout
That's fine.
I cannot for the life of me figure out how anybody likes beets.
so if you don't eat 'em, they would still be there at the end of the day.
I love beets. After corn,lima beans,there's beets, peas, broccolli, carrots.
Did your mother not show you enough love ;>}
//////////////////
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nyc redneck Wed, Jan 14, 2009 7:57:15pm |
re: #193 Wishing
They got TWO meals out of it: rather than order, say a chef salad, they just ate the dinner salad that came with dinner. But rather than eat a DINNER salad, ie an entree, they made the entree, by several trips to the salad bar, their main course, which is NOT what the dinner salad is intended for.
They paid for the meal, but wont eat it until tomorrow. They ate salad tonight.
They didn't put something in their pocket, no: but it is stealing just the same, imo.
Two meals for the price of one.
it really does seem devious. it is so calculating and petty.
they are clearly taking advantage of the system and that is repugnant to honest people. they are untrustworthy. it is a question of character.
how can a restaurant guard against something like this.
maybe just limit the trips to the side salad bar.
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spirochete Wed, Jan 14, 2009 7:57:37pm |
re: #338 albusteve
my ex wife is a master of that game...takes a special kind of personality me thinks
My girlfriend is an LL Bean nut. For those who don't know, LL Bean guarantees the quality of their items for life. If it ever breaks, ever, you take it back and get money back (not usually all, but a lot). I went with her once, and between her online coupons, LLbean credit card points and all those bags of returns, she got a free bike.
I was cringing in the clothing section, I couldn't believe what was happening.
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Mich-again Wed, Jan 14, 2009 7:57:42pm |
re: #323 reine.de.tout
I cannot for the life of me figure out how anybody likes beets.
I loves me some beets. But only cold.
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Outrider Wed, Jan 14, 2009 7:57:46pm |
re: #332 itellu3times
I have a friend who has a habit of lifting a good supply of sweetener packets and those tiny cream widgets, but it has not yet caused the fall of western civilization.
Or, wait a minute, ...
when I was in the Army (in the days of C-rations) I used to go into the fast food joints and offer to buy a gang of the condiment packages to take to the field. They always gave me a huge bag every time. The catsup, mustards, mayonnaise, and such would last forever and were easier to carry than what came in the store.
Most folks will remember there weren't as many choices about storage containers back then either.
Later when Mother in law bought a diner, I got all that and more from her place. ;-)>
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onlinegangsta Wed, Jan 14, 2009 7:58:00pm |
In other news :
Arab Dr "allegedly" kills his wife ( in Ohio ) and hides in Lebanon.
[Link: www.cnn.com...]
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lifeofthemind Wed, Jan 14, 2009 7:58:08pm |
I confess I go straight for the herring filet on the salad bar, no way I'm filling up on rabbit food and cottage cheese
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albusteve Wed, Jan 14, 2009 7:58:34pm |
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MandyManners Wed, Jan 14, 2009 7:58:39pm |
re: #244 Wishing
Walter, a dinner salad is an entree that comnes before the main course, aas a general rule. You eat a small salad and then eat the main course. They paid for the meal, which came with a dinner salad. They turned the dinner salad into an *all you can eat* bonanza.
Get it now?
That's theft.
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Attaboid Wed, Jan 14, 2009 7:58:44pm |
Somehow that's not right. Can't quite define it. Too PC.
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spirochete Wed, Jan 14, 2009 7:59:02pm |
re: #352 jaunte
Paulson announces $40 billion sweetener packet and tiny cream widget bailout.
Time to stock up on toy wooden arrows then,
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rain of lead Wed, Jan 14, 2009 7:59:12pm |
re: #328 ploome hineni
best breakfast
fresh baguette with gambozola cheese
and a turkish coffee
oh no no no
bacon extra crisp eggs scrambled with cheese, grits, toast with butter and jelly and abig mug of coffee.....and my daughter chowing down right beside me :)
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Mich-again Wed, Jan 14, 2009 7:59:18pm |
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x-wing Wed, Jan 14, 2009 7:59:22pm |
Oh-no, or should that be Oh-yea, dogs barking. Terminators in the area.
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jwb7605 Wed, Jan 14, 2009 7:59:37pm |
re: #370 lifeofthemind
I confess I go straight for the herring filet on the salad bar, no way I'm filling up on rabbit food and cottage cheese
And there's always plenty! GMTA.
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lifeofthemind Wed, Jan 14, 2009 8:00:09pm |
re: #369 onlinegangsta
In other news :
Arab Dr "allegedly" kills his wife ( in Ohio ) and hides in Lebanon.
[Link: www.cnn.com...]
But I thought Lebanon was in Pennsylvania
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avanti Wed, Jan 14, 2009 8:00:25pm |
re: #355 jwb7605
I have a salesman friend that stays a the Super 8, then drives over to the Holiday inn for the free breakfast. He makes mad money,but seems proud of his little scam.
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itellu3times Wed, Jan 14, 2009 8:00:32pm |
re: #370 lifeofthemind
I confess I go straight for the herring filet on the salad bar, no way I'm filling up on rabbit food and cottage cheese
I did that a little too often, and ended up with gout. You ever have gout? You don't want no gout. Herring is the worst thing in the world for the purines that cause gout.
Actually I was buying my own herring, but the principle holds. I think.
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mikeymom Wed, Jan 14, 2009 8:00:33pm |
re: #358 Walter L. Newton
you know the calorie count of one beet slice? wowsers, im impressed!
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Walter L. Newton Wed, Jan 14, 2009 8:00:50pm |
re: #362 OldLineTexan
...and it disappeared in a space/time rift with sort of a squishy popping noise.
Like the Island?
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Outrider Wed, Jan 14, 2009 8:00:51pm |
re: #336 Walter L. Newton
Reading material: Religious groups are happy to pass on all sorts of free magazines, brochures, propaganda (did I say that) and such. You can even find reading material for your children. Jehovah’s Witnesses offer the best deal… they’ll deliver to your door.
Also great for the neighbor you don't like:
(phone) Jehovah's Witnesses? Hey my name is (X). I need ya'll to come over here and help me work through some stuff. Yeah, I live at (X). Bring some of that great literature with you huh? Thanks.
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Spare O'Lake Wed, Jan 14, 2009 8:00:55pm |
re: #299 Walter L. Newton
I don't loan anyone money. No a penny. Never have, never will. If there is a need, and I can help, I GIVE them something and walk away.
Tzedakah.
There is absolutely nothing wrong with lending, depending on the reasonableness of the terms. Most people prefer to borrow and pay back than to accept a handout.
And true tzedakah should be anonymous.
Giving a street beggar a couple of bucks is a different thing - obviously noone would expect repayment from a beggar.
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angrymimi Wed, Jan 14, 2009 8:01:07pm |
I'm worried someone has committed genocide on the poor little rooster....can we get a representative from Code Pink to check it out?
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Salem Wed, Jan 14, 2009 8:01:08pm |
If you'd told the restaurant manager about it, he would have shrugged and said something like "Well, we'd prefer people not do that, of course." And that would be it. Trust me on this.
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Mich-again Wed, Jan 14, 2009 8:01:22pm |
I don't go to buffets or all you can eat places because either the food or the clientele always makes me lose my appetite.
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x-wing Wed, Jan 14, 2009 8:01:23pm |
re: #366 Mich-again
I loves me some beets. But only cold.
Aw man, candy those suckers up and put 'em on the stove. It's like eating little drops of heaven ;>}
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jwb7605 Wed, Jan 14, 2009 8:02:03pm |
My hypnotism from #18 worked. On me.
bark, bark, cockadoodledoo!
See you all tomorrow?!
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albusteve Wed, Jan 14, 2009 8:02:14pm |
re: #365 spirochete
My girlfriend is an LL Bean nut. For those who don't know, LL Bean guarantees the quality of their items for life. If it ever breaks, ever, you take it back and get money back (not usually all, but a lot). I went with her once, and between her online coupons, LLbean credit card points and all those bags of returns, she got a free bike.
I was cringing in the clothing section, I couldn't believe what was happening.
LL Bean loves it....many years back 60MIN did a story about them...they pointed out that for decades some old guy was returning his boots for new ones because they failed or whatever...they gladly gave him new ones no question and were proud to do so...LL bean is pretty special imo
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, Jan 14, 2009 8:02:37pm |
re: #363 x-wing
Ooooh. You reminded me. I've got carrot cake!
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jwb7605 Wed, Jan 14, 2009 8:03:03pm |
re: #382 avanti
I have a salesman friend that stays a the Super 8, then drives over to the Holiday inn for the free breakfast. He makes mad money,but seems proud of his little scam.
What people won't do to save a couple bucks!
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reine.de.tout Wed, Jan 14, 2009 8:03:32pm |
re: #343 Silhouette
This salad bar thing is actually very funny.
We've had an ongoing debate at my office for years on abusing the free refill at a restaurant for use later at the office.
It's an interesting discussion.
I think that "cheating" a little bit here and there can lead to a warped conscience, so that the "cheating" gets bigger and bigger over time.
Even when there is no monetary loss to the business or person being cheated, it's simply bad for the soul and spirit of the person who does the cheating.
I think people should just strive to do the right thing, even when there is no big loss or there would be no penalty, simply and only because it's the right thing to do.
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Wed, Jan 14, 2009 8:03:32pm |
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angrymimi Wed, Jan 14, 2009 8:03:33pm |
re: #397 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Ooooh. You reminded me. I've got carrot cake!
Carrot cake sounds good...I just ate two oatmeal pies...
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Outrider Wed, Jan 14, 2009 8:03:35pm |
re: #391 angrymimi
I'm worried someone has committed genocide on the poor little rooster....can we get a representative from Code Pink to check it out?
I just heard it a few minutes ago.
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Walter L. Newton Wed, Jan 14, 2009 8:03:56pm |
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OldLineTexan Wed, Jan 14, 2009 8:03:57pm |
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sattv4u2 Wed, Jan 14, 2009 8:04:08pm |
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reine.de.tout Wed, Jan 14, 2009 8:04:15pm |
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x-wing Wed, Jan 14, 2009 8:04:23pm |
re: #379 lifeofthemind
But I thought Lebanon was in Pennsylvania
Who ever told you that was full of Bologna ;>}
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Mich-again Wed, Jan 14, 2009 8:04:24pm |
re: #394 x-wing
Never tried that. hmm. Sounds like a good side dish for fried baloney.
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Wishing Wed, Jan 14, 2009 8:04:25pm |
re: #364 nyc redneck
it really does seem devious. it is so calculating and petty.
they are clearly taking advantage of the system and that is repugnant to honest people. they are untrustworthy. it is a question of character.
how can a restaurant guard against something like this.
maybe just limit the trips to the side salad bar.
Right, nyc: the deviousness of it and they were saying that they would just save the main course for their son (who was eating at a different restaurant,btw, swiping God knows what), the son they taught how to cheat hotels. The whole thing, to me, was disgusting.
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spirochete Wed, Jan 14, 2009 8:04:35pm |
re: #396 albusteve
LL Bean loves it....many years back 60MIN did a story about them...they pointed out that for decades some old guy was returning his boots for new ones because they failed or whatever...they gladly gave him new ones no question and were proud to do so...LL bean is pretty special imo
They are. About a month after she got the bike, we did the rail trail out on Cape Cod. 20 miles or so both ways. On the final mile back, the gearing mechanism connected to the pedals just totally fell apart. Some mechanical failure, grease everywhere, small shards of metal falling out. We stopped by LL Bean on the way back and they fixed it on the spot. No charge.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, Jan 14, 2009 8:04:37pm |
re: #393 Mich-again
I don't go to buffets or all you can eat places because either the food or the clientele always makes me lose my appetite.
Oh gosh...Ever eaten at a Ryan's? Or a Golden Corral? Disgusting.
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OldLineTexan Wed, Jan 14, 2009 8:04:51pm |
re: #391 angrymimi
I'm worried someone has committed genocide on the poor little rooster....can we get a representative from Code Pink to check it out?
They can't have any of my dumplings.
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fmfnavydoc Wed, Jan 14, 2009 8:04:52pm |
Watching Gazacam now...hearing short bursts of HMG fire now...IDF must be "flushing the toilet" in another part of Gaza...We have ROOSTER in the distance...must be coordinating the attack for the IDF
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angrymimi Wed, Jan 14, 2009 8:04:53pm |
re: #403 Outrider
I just heard it a few minutes ago.
Oh it's been a while since I had heard him and since he has been so dependable I thought maybe he was going to be in tonights frickacee...
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Walter L. Newton Wed, Jan 14, 2009 8:04:54pm |
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mikeymom Wed, Jan 14, 2009 8:05:11pm |
re: #370 lifeofthemind
i used to love pickled herring until one time friend brought us a jar of home made--inside were 2 little white worms--havent touched it since!
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Jan 14, 2009 8:05:16pm |
re: #287 reine.de.tout
rofl!
And the reason I'm laughing . . .
My mom was always very small, and my grandmother once told me a story - when my mom was a kid and they were trying to get her to eat - they found her once, long time after the meal, with her cheeks stuffed.
She had "taken bites" as directed, but never swallowed the food, just let it sit in her cheeks until, I guess, she could get away and spit it out.
A college friend used to babysit for a very small boy who liked to go to Taco Bell, but would only eat plain flour tortillas. This worked OK, since we would take him to Taco Bell, get food, and a couple tortillas for him.
We had to remind him to chew and swallow, though. Sometimes he would just let his cheeks fill up with strips of tortilla. If you didn't keep on him about chewing, you'd look up and realize that he looked like a woodchuck, and could no longer get his teeth through the mass in his mouth.
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OldLineTexan Wed, Jan 14, 2009 8:05:17pm |
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x-wing Wed, Jan 14, 2009 8:05:17pm |
re: #397 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Ooooh. You reminded me. I've got carrot cake!
Imagine that, I just happen to be holding a fork;>}
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pre-Boomer Marine brat Wed, Jan 14, 2009 8:05:23pm |
I wonder what Hamas' strategy is. If the IDF is attacking a neighborhood, does Hamas send in reinforcements? The alternative is, has Hamas spread its fighters out in an in-depth defense, and is keeping them at their posts?
My guess is that the IDF would prefer the first.
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reine.de.tout Wed, Jan 14, 2009 8:05:37pm |
re: #363 x-wing
I love beets. After corn,lima beans,there's beets, peas, broccolli, carrots.
Did your mother not show you enough love ;>}
//////////////////
I like 'em all, except the beets. Never could develop a taste for them.
We would have beets, and no one would eat them but my dad, who loved 'em.
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Outrider Wed, Jan 14, 2009 8:05:40pm |
re: #398 jwb7605
What people won't do to save a couple bucks!
and it always seems to be those that have the bucks and could afford it..
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Mich-again Wed, Jan 14, 2009 8:05:43pm |
re: #413 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Oh gosh...Ever eaten at a Ryan's? Or a Golden Corral? Disgusting.
Dude, I live a 3-wood from Taylortuckey. Don't tell me!
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Walter L. Newton Wed, Jan 14, 2009 8:05:46pm |
re: #413 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Oh gosh...Ever eaten at a Ryan's? Or a Golden Corral? Disgusting.
Or a Hefty Chicken?
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pre-Boomer Marine brat Wed, Jan 14, 2009 8:05:58pm |
re: #395 jwb7605
My hypnotism from #18 worked. On me.
bark, bark, cockadoodledoo!
See you all tomorrow?!
Good night!
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albusteve Wed, Jan 14, 2009 8:06:14pm |
re: #412 spirochete
They are. About a month after she got the bike, we did the rail trail out on Cape Cod. 20 miles or so both ways. On the final mile back, the gearing mechanism connected to the pedals just totally fell apart. Some mechanical failure, grease everywhere, small shards of metal falling out. We stopped by LL Bean on the way back and they fixed it on the spot. No charge.
good Americans :)
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Wed, Jan 14, 2009 8:06:41pm |
re: #325 Abu Al-Poopypants
I want to open up an "All You Can Eat" joint. The kind were you fill up your plate, eat a couple of bites, and some thick-necked thug comes to your table and says "That's all you can eat, now get the f*ck out".
/Don't recall the name of the comedian I am stealing that from.
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angrymimi Wed, Jan 14, 2009 8:06:45pm |
Is that awful noise that they call prayer going to start soon?
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Wed, Jan 14, 2009 8:06:53pm |
re: #400 reine.de.tout
There is also the fact that someone who will cheat a business while you are standing there will probably also cheat you.
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CapeCoddah Wed, Jan 14, 2009 8:06:53pm |
re: #390 Abu Al-Poopypants
Canton.
LOL, Hubby is from Canton, originally. They lived across from the Byrd estate.
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Outrider Wed, Jan 14, 2009 8:07:02pm |
re: #400 reine.de.tout
It's an interesting discussion.
I think that "cheating" a little bit here and there can lead to a warped conscience, so that the "cheating" gets bigger and bigger over time.
Even when there is no monetary loss to the business or person being cheated, it's simply bad for the soul and spirit of the person who does the cheating.
I think people should just strive to do the right thing, even when there is no big loss or there would be no penalty, simply and only because it's the right thing to do.
when one lowers the bar, they lower their own expectations making it easier to repeat the offense. After awhile, one merely goes down a little further. and so it goes.
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Wishing Wed, Jan 14, 2009 8:07:16pm |
re: #392 Salem
If you'd told the restaurant manager about it, he would have shrugged and said something like "Well, we'd prefer people not do that, of course." And that would be it. Trust me on this.
I am sure that would be his response. Does that make it RIGHT? Simply put, NO.
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sattv4u2 Wed, Jan 14, 2009 8:07:16pm |
re: #420 OldLineTexan
S'Aright, Palestine's in East Texas.
That there is! SouthEast of Dallas, no !?
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angrymimi Wed, Jan 14, 2009 8:07:17pm |
re: #420 OldLineTexan
S'Aright, Palestine's in East Texas.
I know Palestine - the Texas one that is!
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x-wing Wed, Jan 14, 2009 8:07:21pm |
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OldLineTexan Wed, Jan 14, 2009 8:07:25pm |
re: #413 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Oh gosh...Ever eaten at a Ryan's? Or a Golden Corral? Disgusting.
I keep telling you people DON'T WATCH ME EAT!
/
Seriously, we used to go to Golden Corral and Ryan's on alternate Saturdays. Reason? Two to five kids with different food preferences, and the fact that both places were so damned loud my kids could blow up da owl and not bother anybody. I could eat a meal without beating a child. Heavenly.
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Sharmuta Wed, Jan 14, 2009 8:07:31pm |
Aww- I always liked him. He once cooed over a pair of identical twin baby girls I know as mom and auntie.
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rain of lead Wed, Jan 14, 2009 8:07:31pm |
re: #385 ploome hineni
no no no
sorry ploome, I'm good ole southern boy and I am partial to the classics
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WindHorse Wed, Jan 14, 2009 8:08:03pm |
While I am not what I would consider "rich", I am very thankful that money doesn't govern my life.
The people with their money fetish and the salad bar should be ashamed of themselves....
I wouldn't go to a dogfight with people like that.
My 2 cents.
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Abu Al-Poopypants Wed, Jan 14, 2009 8:08:09pm |
re: #423 pre-Boomer Marine brat
I wonder what Hamas' strategy is. If the IDF is attacking a neighborhood, does Hamas send in reinforcements?
If the neighborhood happens to have one of the pre-wired schools that we've read about, they set off the explosives and martyr the kids for propaganda.
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traderjoe9 Wed, Jan 14, 2009 8:08:14pm |
Secretary: "Ahmadeinjad, the United States president is on the line."
Ahmadeinjad: "Put him through."
"Yes, Obama? I hope you are not calling about the whole nuclear weapons thing...I haven't changed my mind."
Barry: "Mahmmmmouuud....come on....."
Ahamdeinjad: "What?"
Barry: "Don't do it!"
Ahmadeinjad: "OK!"
Problem solved!
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CIA Reject Wed, Jan 14, 2009 8:08:29pm |
re: #430 Slumbering Behemoth
I want to open up an "All You Can Eat" joint. The kind were you fill up your plate, eat a couple of bites, and some thick-necked thug comes to your table and says "That's all you can eat, now get the f*ck out".
/Don't recall the name of the comedian I am stealing that from.
Dice Clay.
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Vicious Babushka Wed, Jan 14, 2009 8:08:34pm |
re: #383 itellu3times
I did that a little too often, and ended up with gout. You ever have gout? You don't want no gout. Herring is the worst thing in the world for the purines that cause gout.
Actually I was buying my own herring, but the principle holds. I think.
I thought liver and mushrooms and beer were bad for gout?
I remember about a year ago, my foot swelled up to twice its size, it was excruciating to walk, and I went to the emergency room. They said it was just my regular degenerative arthritis. When I went to the MD the next day he said I presented symptoms of gout, but my purine level was normal. Very strange, they never did find out what caused it.
A couple days on Vicodin solved that little problem.
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x-wing Wed, Jan 14, 2009 8:08:38pm |
re: #424 reine.de.tout
I like 'em all, except the beets. Never could develop a taste for them.
We would have beets, and no one would eat them but my dad, who loved 'em.
Good man. so did you ever try red beat eggs? Yum-yum
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Spare O'Lake Wed, Jan 14, 2009 8:08:57pm |
re: #434 Outrider
when one lowers the bar, they lower their own expectations making it easier to repeat the offense. After awhile, one merely goes down a little further. and so it goes.
Some people have no self-respect.
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reine.de.tout Wed, Jan 14, 2009 8:08:57pm |
re: #393 Mich-again
I don't go to buffets or all you can eat places because either the food or the clientele always makes me lose my appetite.
I don't eat at buffets either - I always get sick. No telling how long that food has been out there, who has sneezed into it . . . not for me.
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Outrider Wed, Jan 14, 2009 8:09:05pm |
re: #418 mikeymom
i used to love pickled herring until one time friend brought us a jar of home made--inside were 2 little white worms--havent touched it since!
what's the problem? They were pickled.
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Mich-again Wed, Jan 14, 2009 8:09:30pm |
re: #440 OldLineTexan
Two to five kids with different food preferences, and the fact that both places were so damned loud my kids could blow up da owl and not bother anybody. I could eat a meal without beating a child. Heavenly.
I know exactly what you mean there. Parents of small kids like loud chaotic restaurants because its the only place they can go out and get a peaceful dinner.
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Wed, Jan 14, 2009 8:09:45pm |
re: #451 reine.de.tout
What about Mongolian barbecue? They cook it after you select it?
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nyc redneck Wed, Jan 14, 2009 8:09:50pm |
re: #396 albusteve
LL Bean loves it....many years back 60MIN did a story about them...they pointed out that for decades some old guy was returning his boots for new ones because they failed or whatever...they gladly gave him new ones no question and were proud to do so...LL bean is pretty special imo
the only reason a lifetime guarantee, on everything, works, is because they know that most people are not going to take advantage of the system.
i was in a sporting goods store that had this guarantee and the most disgusting slob was in there hollering for his replacement boots that he had already gotten 12 good yrs. of use out of. eventually the company put restrictions on the replacement policy because too many people were making asses of themselves.
that's when it becomes a problem.
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Racer X Wed, Jan 14, 2009 8:09:59pm |
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, Jan 14, 2009 8:10:02pm |
re: #426 Mich-again
Dude, I live a 3-wood from Taylortuckey. Don't tell me!
Could you say that again? Slowly? What's a 3-wood? What's a Taylortuckey?
Wife and I (who are not food prudes) went to a Ryan's once. Got our plates, finished about half and just, slowly, stopped eating. Next thing you know we had been there for an hour, not eating, just watching people. Drank about a gallon of sweet tea. Was an hour of train wreck watching entertainment.
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Outrider Wed, Jan 14, 2009 8:10:04pm |
re: #430 Slumbering Behemoth
I want to open up an "All You Can Eat" joint. The kind were you fill up your plate, eat a couple of bites, and some thick-necked thug comes to your table and says "That's all you can eat, now get the f*ck out".
/Don't recall the name of the comedian I am stealing that from.
Franken? ;-)>
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albusteve Wed, Jan 14, 2009 8:10:07pm |
re: #449 x-wing
Good man. so did you ever try red beat eggs? Yum-yum
beets are for scavengers...starvation is logical alternative
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Vicious Babushka Wed, Jan 14, 2009 8:10:07pm |
re: #411 Wishing
Right, nyc: the deviousness of it and they were saying that they would just save the main course for their son (who was eating at a different restaurant,btw, swiping God knows what), the son they taught how to cheat hotels. The whole thing, to me, was disgusting.
I hope you never meet my brother-in-law. I could tell you stories about the scams he has done that would stand your hair on end.
| 462 |
markie Wed, Jan 14, 2009 8:10:13pm |
Late to this as usual...
It would seem to me that if Hamas guys kept getting blown up maybe the civvies would run away from them after awhile, but maybe the time for that is long past.
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reine.de.tout Wed, Jan 14, 2009 8:10:23pm |
re: #434 Outrider
when one lowers the bar, they lower their own expectations making it easier to repeat the offense. After awhile, one merely goes down a little further. and so it goes.
Exactly.
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Vicious Babushka Wed, Jan 14, 2009 8:10:49pm |
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sattv4u2 Wed, Jan 14, 2009 8:10:50pm |
re: #451 reine.de.tout
I don't eat at buffets either - I always get sick. No telling how long that food has been out there, who has sneezed into it . . . not for me.
yeah ,, like in a regular restaurant you can be assured the cook/ waiter/ waitress would NEVER sneeze on or somehow other touch your food !
ummm,,, huh ?!?!?! HOW can I be sure ,, umm,,,,, HOPE ,,
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angrymimi Wed, Jan 14, 2009 8:10:50pm |
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Outrider Wed, Jan 14, 2009 8:11:10pm |
re: #439 x-wing
That's his buddies, . Ours hasn't spoke yet.
what? This one stutters or something? You can tell by the accent perhaps? ;-)>
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reine.de.tout Wed, Jan 14, 2009 8:11:13pm |
re: #455 EmmmieG
What about Mongolian barbecue? They cook it after you select it?
Never heard of Mongolian barbecue.
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Abu Al-Poopypants Wed, Jan 14, 2009 8:11:13pm |
re: #433 CapeCoddah
Musharraf's brother and son reportedly live in town.
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CapeCoddah Wed, Jan 14, 2009 8:11:28pm |
re: #433 CapeCoddah
LOL, Hubby is from Canton, originally. They lived across from the Byrd estate.
Nevermind, I confused it with the Norwood house. But he lived in Canton thru childhood, graduated there, then moved to Norwood as a young adult.
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Wed, Jan 14, 2009 8:11:30pm |
re: #454 Mich-again
I went through many years refusing to take them out. That was after trying to eat at a barbecue place with a one year-old boy, a two and a half year old boy, and a five year old boy. (The girl didn't count.)
Eventually, we got back to being able to take them out. In fact, we were once complemented on their behavior. (I like to think back and savor that memory. Mothers of four boys don't get that very much.)
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Mich-again Wed, Jan 14, 2009 8:11:32pm |
re: #458 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
What's a 3-wood? What's a Taylortuckey?
The former implies distance. The latter a point on a map.
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reine.de.tout Wed, Jan 14, 2009 8:11:38pm |
re: #465 sattv4u2
yeah ,, like in a regular restaurant you can be assured the cook/ waiter/ waitress would NEVER sneeze on or somehow other touch your food !
ummm,,, huh ?!?!?! HOW can I be sure ,, umm,,,,, HOPE ,,
I have faith . . .
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pre-Boomer Marine brat Wed, Jan 14, 2009 8:11:43pm |
re: #445 Abu Al-Poopypants
No matter. My question was about tactics, vis a vis the IDF's primary goal -- t' hell with taking real estate, kill as many Hamas fighters as we can.
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sattv4u2 Wed, Jan 14, 2009 8:11:46pm |
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OldLineTexan Wed, Jan 14, 2009 8:12:16pm |
re: #441 Sharmuta
Aww- I always liked him. He once cooed over a pair of identical twin baby girls I know as mom and auntie.
Somewhere, there may be a pair of wings made of rich Corinthian leather...
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avanti Wed, Jan 14, 2009 8:12:19pm |
re: #425 Outrider
Small potatoes compared to Cumshaw in the Navy. I once traded 25 pounds of coffee for 10K worth of 24 conductor cable for my ship. Cumshaw would be called bribery in civilian life. I don't know if it's still going on in the Navy today.
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albusteve Wed, Jan 14, 2009 8:12:21pm |
re: #456 nyc redneck
the only reason a lifetime guarantee, on everything, works, is because they know that most people are not going to take advantage of the system.
i was in a sporting goods store that had this guarantee and the most disgusting slob was in there hollering for his replacement boots that he had already gotten 12 good yrs. of use out of. eventually the company put restrictions on the replacement policy because too many people were making asses of themselves.
that's when it becomes a problem.
I'm a rightous guy in that regard....but I often expect the worst from people...sometimes I have little faith
| 479 |
mikeymom Wed, Jan 14, 2009 8:12:38pm |
re: little stealing--about 20 yrs ago, i did about $200 of grocery shopping--as i went past the cigerette case (not locked up like it is now) i inadvertently put a pack in my purse, not the cart. when i got out to my car, i discovered what i had done and returned to the store to pay for cigs. the clerk was amazed! i said if i didnt pay for them, i'd choke on 'em!
| 480 |
Killian Bundy Wed, Jan 14, 2009 8:12:39pm |
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CapeCoddah Wed, Jan 14, 2009 8:12:40pm |
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spirochete Wed, Jan 14, 2009 8:12:43pm |
can someone post the Gazacam linky for me please?
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Ojoe Wed, Jan 14, 2009 8:12:59pm |
I challenge Amy Goodman of Pacifica Radio/TV to broadcast this video far and wide.
Come on Ms. Goodman do it.
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Syrah Wed, Jan 14, 2009 8:13:05pm |
re: #417 Walter L. Newton
Yes they do, see...
[Link: answers.yahoo.com...]
It has been a long time since I cared for chickens. They will peck at anything, even at stones and flat steal. I think they do this to stir stuff up looking for bugs, grubs and other creepy crawlies that they want to eat. I suspect that what they are doing with the leafy greens is pecking at it to break it up, to stir up the bugs and critters eating it or hiding in it.
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Spare O'Lake Wed, Jan 14, 2009 8:13:08pm |
re: #465 sattv4u2
yeah ,, like in a regular restaurant you can be assured the cook/ waiter/ waitress would NEVER sneeze on or somehow other touch your food !
ummm,,, huh ?!?!?! HOW can I be sure ,, umm,,,,, HOPE ,,
You don't want to know what goes on in the kitchens of most restaurants, even the better ones.
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Walter L. Newton Wed, Jan 14, 2009 8:13:27pm |
re: #476 OldLineTexan
Somewhere, there may be a pair of wings made of rich Corinthian leather...
You know there is nothing special about Corinthian leather, a total marketing ploy...
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
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Kosh's Shadow Wed, Jan 14, 2009 8:13:41pm |
re: #465 sattv4u2
yeah ,, like in a regular restaurant you can be assured the cook/ waiter/ waitress would NEVER sneeze on or somehow other touch your food !
ummm,,, huh ?!?!?! HOW can I be sure ,, umm,,,,, HOPE ,,
Paula Poundstone used to say how when she was a waitress at IHOP, if the customers bothered her, she'd touch their eggs.
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Wed, Jan 14, 2009 8:13:43pm |
re: #468 reine.de.tout
Seriously? It's not exactly authentic, as they have fruits, veggies and no yak meat. The "buffet" is frozen meats and non-frozen veggies. You mix up your own sauce and then give it to a probably-non-mongolian dude who cooks it on this big hot drum-like surface. Yummy.
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albusteve Wed, Jan 14, 2009 8:13:45pm |
re: #468 reine.de.tout
Never heard of Mongolian barbecue.
they are great! and alot of fun too...find one
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Jan 14, 2009 8:13:52pm |
re: #350 ploome hineni
and my darling father, would go to Shul and at the kiddush..(savory appetizers served after service with schnapps)...fill his pockets with food to bring home
going to Shul was always a treat
lolol
I grew up surrounded by old Russian ladies. Old Russian ladies recently arrived from the Soviet Union. If it wasn't nailed down, it went in the purse. If it was nailed down, it got pried up, and then it went in the purse.
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OldLineTexan Wed, Jan 14, 2009 8:13:58pm |
re: #468 reine.de.tout
Never heard of Mongolian barbecue.
Wonderful stuff if done well. Watching it cooked on the big "grill wheel" with two big chopsticks is a hoot.
You take your bowl and select veggies and meat. You go to the grill man and pour in some sauce(s) and oil then hand it over. Mmmmmm.
| 493 |
angrymimi Wed, Jan 14, 2009 8:14:01pm |
re: #482 spirochete
[Link: switch3.castup.net...]
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, Jan 14, 2009 8:14:29pm |
re: #454 Mich-again
I know exactly what you mean there. Parents of small kids like loud chaotic restaurants because its the only place they can go out and get a peaceful dinner.
'Cept for that poor fat bastard sitting behind you at a table alone. Yeah, you know the guy; came into the restaurant alone, went to a corner (you know, the one without children and loud people) and just innocently began to eat, when you people showed up! NO, I DON'T THINK YOUR KIDS ARE CUTE!
Wait, did I type all that out loud?
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itellu3times Wed, Jan 14, 2009 8:14:38pm |
re: #448 Alouette
I thought liver and mushrooms and beer were bad for gout?
I remember about a year ago, my foot swelled up to twice its size, it was excruciating to walk, and I went to the emergency room. They said it was just my regular degenerative arthritis. When I went to the MD the next day he said I presented symptoms of gout, but my purine level was normal. Very strange, they never did find out what caused it.
A couple days on Vicodin solved that little problem.
All those are bad, but herring is worse.
If it starts in your big toe, and feels hot, it's gout, though men get it far more often than women. Hurts like the DICKENS. Your purine level can be low by the time you get tested, and minor cases will clear if you clean up your diet and drink a ton of water, and there are some drugs to speed things up, too. And, there's Vicodin!
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Mich-again Wed, Jan 14, 2009 8:14:47pm |
re: #471 EmmmieG
Eventually, we got back to being able to take them out.
There was about a 3 year period in which we never took the kids to a restaurant. Never. Except maybe Chuck E Cheese.
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slokat Wed, Jan 14, 2009 8:14:57pm |
... gaza rooster crowing in a very surreal blue landscape with small arms fire & explosions mixed in intermittently... not sure I'd want to be in the room with the bright shining light.
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Outrider Wed, Jan 14, 2009 8:15:10pm |
re: #473 reine.de.tout
I have faith . . .
I go on the philosophy it ain't done me any harm yet. And I have eaten worse things in worse parts of the world than at an open buffet.
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x-wing Wed, Jan 14, 2009 8:15:15pm |
re: #467 Outrider
what? This one stutters or something? You can tell by the accent perhaps? ;-)>
LOL, sorta. I have my Beak Authentication Determinator™ turned on, it will let me know when our boy chimes in ;>}
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OldLineTexan Wed, Jan 14, 2009 8:15:41pm |
re: #471 EmmmieG
I went through many years refusing to take them out. That was after trying to eat at a barbecue place with a one year-old boy, a two and a half year old boy, and a five year old boy. (The girl didn't count.)
Eventually, we got back to being able to take them out. In fact, we were once complemented on their behavior. (I like to think back and savor that memory. Mothers of four boys don't get that very much.)
As an "experienced" parent, I try to complement parents of well-bahaved children as much as possible without weirding anybody out.
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sattv4u2 Wed, Jan 14, 2009 8:15:50pm |
re: #485 Spare O'Lake
You don't want to know what goes on in the kitchens of most restaurants, even the better ones.
I do (I mean ,, I do KNOW,,,,,, spent much of my youth working in the food industry for money for school) I've had just about every job you can have in a restaurant short of owner!
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Kosh's Shadow Wed, Jan 14, 2009 8:15:56pm |
re: #485 Spare O'Lake
You don't want to know what goes on in the kitchens of most restaurants, even the better ones.
The (spit) Boston Globe ran an article on this. High-end, expensive restaurants with rats, food left out too long, glasses kept in with the ice for drinks, and other problems.
The only place that looked good was Legal Seafoods.
But maybe that was because the food safety VP for Legal Seafoods consulted for the article.
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WindHorse Wed, Jan 14, 2009 8:15:57pm |
re: #487 Walter L. Newton
....but - but.... isn't that made by elves inside of trees... in the forest?....inside of trees.... in Corintheville....?
'nshit....
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pre-Boomer Marine brat Wed, Jan 14, 2009 8:16:03pm |
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fmfnavydoc Wed, Jan 14, 2009 8:16:11pm |
re: #477 avanti
Small potatoes compared to Cumshaw in the Navy. I once traded 25 pounds of coffee for 10K worth of 24 conductor cable for my ship. Cumshaw would be called bribery in civilian life. I don't know if it's still going on in the Navy today.
It does...guys like me in the FMF would trade with anybody to get stuff (Marine Corps can be just a little stingy with money)...
Sounds like a Rooster convention in Gaza right now...
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Spare O'Lake Wed, Jan 14, 2009 8:16:17pm |
re: #491 SanFranciscoZionist
I grew up surrounded by old Russian ladies. Old Russian ladies recently arrived from the Soviet Union. If it wasn't nailed down, it went in the purse. If it was nailed down, it got pried up, and then it went in the purse.
It's a sport with them.
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sattv4u2 Wed, Jan 14, 2009 8:16:29pm |
re: #488 Kosh's Shadow
Paula Poundstone used to say how when she was a waitress at IHOP, if the customers bothered her, she'd touch their eggs.
And Jesse Jackson spat on white peoples orders
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Wed, Jan 14, 2009 8:16:40pm |
re: #447 CIA Reject
I'll bet you're right.
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Abu Al-Poopypants Wed, Jan 14, 2009 8:16:51pm |
re: #482 spirochete
Ones that have worked in the past for me:
[Link: switch206-01.castup.net...]
[Link: switch3.castup.net...]
[Link: switch434-01.castup.net...]
The last one hasn't worked for 2 nights, though.
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angrymimi Wed, Jan 14, 2009 8:17:13pm |
re: #512 spirochete
Did the rooster ever get named?
We lovingly referred to him earlier as King of Gaza.
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Abu Al-Poopypants Wed, Jan 14, 2009 8:17:55pm |
re: #470 CapeCoddah
Ah, makes sense. I knew about the Byrd Co. in Norwood/Walpole, but couldn't place it in town here!
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Kosh's Shadow Wed, Jan 14, 2009 8:17:58pm |
re: #495 itellu3times
All those are bad, but herring is worse.
If it starts in your big toe, and feels hot, it's gout, though men get it far more often than women. Hurts like the DICKENS. Your purine level can be low by the time you get tested, and minor cases will clear if you clean up your diet and drink a ton of water, and there are some drugs to speed things up, too. And, there's Vicodin!
I've had gout. Bad. Last time, a co-worker had it at the same time, and told me he'd never wonder why I wanted to stay home when I had gout.
I have to make sure I have a lot of water, or I'll get it.
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Outrider Wed, Jan 14, 2009 8:18:06pm |
re: #477 avanti
Small potatoes compared to Cumshaw in the Navy. I once traded 25 pounds of coffee for 10K worth of 24 conductor cable for my ship. Cumshaw would be called bribery in civilian life. I don't know if it's still going on in the Navy today.
damn, you wouldn't believe the deals I made in the Army. I could get what ever any one wanted. Swap this, swap that. Know who was getting a command inspection, a CMMI, or an IG inspection and where they were going to dump stuff.
One of the first things I did when I hit a new base was to find out who the movers were and what the going rates were around there. Great freaking times!
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albusteve Wed, Jan 14, 2009 8:18:09pm |
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notutopia Wed, Jan 14, 2009 8:18:19pm |
re: #482 spirochete
can someone post the Gazacam linky for me please?
[Link: switch434-01.castup.net...]
I could say look it up ....like you said to me once....
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fmfnavydoc Wed, Jan 14, 2009 8:18:29pm |
re: #517 angrymimi
We lovingly referred to him earlier as King of Gaza.
AKA - The Cock of Strip to all of us mortals
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Syrah Wed, Jan 14, 2009 8:18:37pm |
re: #441 Sharmuta
Aww- I always liked him. He once cooed over a pair of identical twin baby girls I know as mom and auntie.
The man who could make Corinthian Leather (naugahyde) sound like something you actually would want. He had an amazing voice.
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itellu3times Wed, Jan 14, 2009 8:18:42pm |
re: #423 pre-Boomer Marine brat
I wonder what Hamas' strategy is. If the IDF is attacking a neighborhood, does Hamas send in reinforcements? The alternative is, has Hamas spread its fighters out in an in-depth defense, and is keeping them at their posts?
My guess is that the IDF would prefer the first.
Sure they would, but I think Hamas practices about 110% defensive, or hit and run, tactics. If that's what you call hiding behind women and children.
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Abu Al-Poopypants Wed, Jan 14, 2009 8:18:57pm |
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sattv4u2 Wed, Jan 14, 2009 8:18:59pm |
re: #523 notutopia
[Link: switch434-01.castup.net...]
I could say look it up ....like you said to me once....
OUCH ,, THATS gonna leave a nasty mark!
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MandyManners Wed, Jan 14, 2009 8:19:42pm |
I think the rooster wishes he were a blackbird.
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spirochete Wed, Jan 14, 2009 8:19:45pm |
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Ojoe Wed, Jan 14, 2009 8:19:53pm |
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angrymimi Wed, Jan 14, 2009 8:19:54pm |
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sattv4u2 Wed, Jan 14, 2009 8:20:02pm |
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CIA Reject Wed, Jan 14, 2009 8:20:08pm |
re: #465 sattv4u2
yeah ,, like in a regular restaurant you can be assured the cook/ waiter/ waitress would NEVER sneeze on or somehow other touch your food !
ummm,,, huh ?!?!?! HOW can I be sure ,, umm,,,,, HOPE ,,
A man orders dinner at a restaurant. When the waiter brings the soup the man notices the waiter has his thumb in it. When the waiter brings the coffee, his thumb is in it. When he brings the main course his thumb is in the mashed potatoes.
Finally the man asks the waiter: what's with you anyway that you have to keep your thumb in my food?
Oh, the waiter says: I had a splinter in my thumb and the doctor told me to always keep it warm and moist.
"Well", asks the man sarcastically, "why don't you just shove it up your @ss."
The waiter replies: "That's what I do when I'm in the kitchen..."
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Kosh's Shadow Wed, Jan 14, 2009 8:20:36pm |
re: #522 albusteve
yesterday
So the rooster is yesterday? Is that like the Abbott and Costello baseball team, where the pitcher is called "Tomorrow"?
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x-wing Wed, Jan 14, 2009 8:20:46pm |
re: #508 angrymimi
x- did I miss prayer time?
Yeah, but the roosters are starting to liven up. And whatever that ugly ass bird flew by.
Hold it...waiting for verification...yes..that is our rooster, alive and well.
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itellu3times Wed, Jan 14, 2009 8:20:55pm |
re: #520 Kosh's Shadow
I've had gout. Bad. Last time, a co-worker had it at the same time, and told me he'd never wonder why I wanted to stay home when I had gout.
Hey, I want to go to work, may as well get paid for it! Take off my shoe and massage my foot half the day, but what the heck.
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OldLineTexan Wed, Jan 14, 2009 8:21:00pm |
re: #487 Walter L. Newton
You know there is nothing special about Corinthian leather, a total marketing ploy...
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
Yes, I know that. But it's a Ricardo classic.
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sattv4u2 Wed, Jan 14, 2009 8:21:10pm |
re: #538 Kosh's Shadow
So the rooster is yesterday? Is that like the Abbott and Costello baseball team, where the pitcher is called "Tomorrow"?
I dunno
THIRD BASE !
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Sharmuta Wed, Jan 14, 2009 8:21:14pm |
re: #525 Syrah
My grandma met him in an airport on her way to France where my grand-dad was stationed. He fell in love with my mom and aunt I guess and milled about the airport with them, one in each arm.
And who could forget him as Kahn?
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angrymimi Wed, Jan 14, 2009 8:21:20pm |
re: #539 x-wing
Yeah, but the roosters are starting to liven up. And whatever that ugly ass bird flew by.
Hold it...waiting for verification...yes..that is our rooster, alive and well.
WOOT to our rooster of choice!
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WindHorse Wed, Jan 14, 2009 8:21:30pm |
Gaza.... in it's natural state - it has sort of a bluish hue....
/Kids in the Hall off
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Kosh's Shadow Wed, Jan 14, 2009 8:21:49pm |
re: #541 itellu3times
Hey, I want to go to work, may as well get paid for it! Take off my shoe and massage my foot half the day, but what the heck.
I could work from home.
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Walter L. Newton Wed, Jan 14, 2009 8:21:58pm |
re: #542 OldLineTexan
Yes, I know that. But it's a Ricardo classic.
Just checking, I didn't until today when someone mentioned it on the radio.
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nyc redneck Wed, Jan 14, 2009 8:22:02pm |
re: #478 albusteve
I'm a rightous guy in that regard....but I often expect the worst from people...sometimes I have little faith
some people will put your faith to the test.
others will surprise you.
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angrymimi Wed, Jan 14, 2009 8:22:14pm |
re: #545 Sharmuta
My grandma met him in an airport on her way to France where my grand-dad was stationed. He fell in love with my mom and aunt I guess and milled about the airport with them, one in each arm.
And who could forget him as Kahn?
I just watched "The Wrath of Kahn" last night and pointed out his greatness. Much sexier than Fernando Lamas :-)
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x-wing Wed, Jan 14, 2009 8:22:28pm |
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Killian Bundy Wed, Jan 14, 2009 8:22:42pm |
Cows can't detect earthquakes: Official
Swedish scientists have disappointingly discovered that cows do not have "an innate ability to detect natural disasters", thereby thwarting any possibility of deploying bovine imminent earthquake detectors in seismic hotspots.
According to The Local, researchers from the Swedish University of Agricultural Sciences (SLU) fitted "advanced GPS sensors and animal monitoring devices" to eight ruminants in Skåne and then checked out how they behaved during a quake which shook southern Sweden on the morning of 16 December last year.
/how drunk was the person who thought this was a good idea?
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Abu Al-Poopypants Wed, Jan 14, 2009 8:22:55pm |
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OldLineTexan Wed, Jan 14, 2009 8:22:57pm |
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angrymimi Wed, Jan 14, 2009 8:23:08pm |
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Jan 14, 2009 8:23:09pm |
re: #444 WindHorse
While I am not what I would consider "rich", I am very thankful that money doesn't govern my life.
The people with their money fetish and the salad bar should be ashamed of themselves....
I wouldn't go to a dogfight with people like that.
My 2 cents.
I hope you wouldn't be going to a dogfight anyway...
| 559 |
karmic_inquisitor Wed, Jan 14, 2009 8:23:50pm |
OT - Obama doesn't seem to want to kill Osama bin Laden anymore.
"My preference obviously would be to capture or kill him," he said. "But if we have so tightened the noose that he's in a cave somewhere and can't even communicate with his operatives then we will meet our goal of protecting America."
This after 2 fucking years of bashing Bush for not bagging the guy.
Electing Obama was supposed to improve America's image in the world. Instead, it is showing us to be a nation of gullible morons.
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reine.de.tout Wed, Jan 14, 2009 8:24:27pm |
re: #490 albusteve
they are great! and alot of fun too...find one
Nearest one to me looks to be about a 24-hour drive away.
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sattv4u2 Wed, Jan 14, 2009 8:24:29pm |
re: #554 Killian Bundy
Cows can't detect earthquakes: Official
/how drunk was the person who thought this was a good idea?
Someone with LOTS of time on their hands AND a relative in the government grants office!
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avanti Wed, Jan 14, 2009 8:24:42pm |
re: #510 fmfnavydoc
It does...guys like me in the FMF would trade with anybody to get stuff (Marine Corps can be just a little stingy with money)...
Sounds like a Rooster convention in Gaza right now...
I always laugh when they say there is no waste in the military budget. As a Chief, I once had to serve as a temporary division officer for a few months and was a rookie at the job. I got a call from the department head one day saving I had some $8000 or so in my budget left over and had to spend it by the next day or they might not be able to get a increase on the next one. When I asked how the hell to spend it, I heard back. " I don't give a shit, just make it go away." I still have some of the tools I bought at servmart and so I expect do the rest of my guys :)
I also snagged thousands of dollars worth of surplus electronics before it was to be tossed overboard.
| 566 |
x-wing Wed, Jan 14, 2009 8:24:59pm |
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, Jan 14, 2009 8:25:00pm |
re: #545 Sharmuta
Hey Shar! I mentioned his [finger] passing on an earlier thread. I actually liked "Fantasy Island". Everybody remembers "De Plane!", but I always liked Mr. Roarkes, "Smiles everyone, smiles".
| 568 |
CapeCoddah Wed, Jan 14, 2009 8:25:01pm |
re: #519 Abu Al-Poopypants
Ah, makes sense. I knew about the Byrd Co. in Norwood/Walpole, but couldn't place it in town here!
Sorry, I'm not from there, so I asked him!
| 569 |
Attaboid Wed, Jan 14, 2009 8:25:49pm |
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x-wing Wed, Jan 14, 2009 8:26:07pm |
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sattv4u2 Wed, Jan 14, 2009 8:26:16pm |
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newsjunkie_ky Wed, Jan 14, 2009 8:26:48pm |
re: #551 nyc redneck
Hi nyc redneck.
Check out the new avatar. It is puppy Izzy.
Staying warm in NYC?
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So? Wed, Jan 14, 2009 8:26:49pm |
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reine.de.tout Wed, Jan 14, 2009 8:26:53pm |
re: #512 spirochete
Did the rooster ever get named?
Yes. ArmyWife has the name:
Honco Gaza Rooster Al-capon. But we just call him Fluffy
| 576 |
spirochete Wed, Jan 14, 2009 8:26:53pm |
This is Gaza City we're looking at, right? Seems rather quiet for a blitzkrieg.
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pre-Boomer Marine brat Wed, Jan 14, 2009 8:26:53pm |
re: #559 karmic_inquisitor
"But if we have so tightened the noose that he's in a cave somewhere and can't even communicate with his operatives then we will meet our goal of protecting America."
Weasel words, and he's not even President yet. Bush kept us safe. This asshole is going to have blood on his hands.
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OldLineTexan Wed, Jan 14, 2009 8:26:54pm |
re: #562 reine.de.tout
Nearest one to me looks to be about a 24-hour drive away.
You are NOT 24 hours from Houston!
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Wed, Jan 14, 2009 8:27:08pm |
re: #555 Abu Al-Poopypants
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Sharmuta Wed, Jan 14, 2009 8:27:34pm |
re: #567 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Hey Shar! I mentioned his [finger] passing on an earlier thread. I actually liked "Fantasy Island". Everybody remembers "De Plane!", but I always liked Mr. Roarkes, "Smiles everyone, smiles".
But he was young and handsome on Star Trek- which is how I'll always remember him- that and walking around with a pair of twin baby girls.
| 581 |
CapeCoddah Wed, Jan 14, 2009 8:27:47pm |
re: #519 Abu Al-Poopypants
Ah, makes sense. I knew about the Byrd Co. in Norwood/Walpole, but couldn't place it in town here!
My in-laws, now deceased, raised their family on Mylod and Mechanic Sreets. No one lives on Mylod from the family any more, though, so it's safe to tell you that.
| 583 |
Walter L. Newton Wed, Jan 14, 2009 8:28:24pm |
re: #574 So?
BREAKING::::
LIFE ON MARS!
[Link: www.thesun.co.uk...]
Breaking gas on Mars, which is nothing new, and that article is full of nothing. Tabloid poop. The only real news in The Sun is on Page 3.
| 584 |
nyc redneck Wed, Jan 14, 2009 8:28:34pm |
re: #559 karmic_inquisitor
OT - Obama doesn't seem to want to kill Osama bin Laden anymore.
This after 2 fucking years of bashing Bush for not bagging the guy.
Electing Obama was supposed to improve America's image in the world. Instead, it is showing us to be a nation of gullible morons.
he's done talking tough.
now he's going to spread the love.
he's an imbecile.
| 585 |
sattv4u2 Wed, Jan 14, 2009 8:28:41pm |
re: #576 spirochete
This is Gaza City we're looking at, right? Seems rather quiet for a
blitzkrieggenocide.
MSM label
| 587 |
sattv4u2 Wed, Jan 14, 2009 8:29:02pm |
| 588 |
Syrah Wed, Jan 14, 2009 8:29:12pm |
re: #545 Sharmuta
It is a good family story. Family history should be fun enough to hand down to the following generations.
Kahn was a great villain archetype. A charismatic genius who only wants to play god-king somewhere and is appalled by how many people he has to kill and maim in order to create his perfect paradise.
Montalban was perfect for it. He stole the show, both of them.
| 589 |
itellu3times Wed, Jan 14, 2009 8:29:30pm |
re: #548 Kosh's Shadow
I could work from home.
That would work.
I could, too, but I like going in.
Free drinks and snacks, heh.
Well, there were at the last place, but where I am now, they're discontinuing free paper plates, to reduce their carbon footprint doncha know.
| 590 |
Attaboid Wed, Jan 14, 2009 8:29:36pm |
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mikeymom Wed, Jan 14, 2009 8:29:42pm |
re: #537 CIA Reject
once hubby ordered a bottled beer-waiter flipeed the cap at table-as beer flowed over, waiter put his thumb on bottle to stop the overflow. hubby calmly looked at waiter and asked for another beer. waiter looked shocked.
| 592 |
fmfnavydoc Wed, Jan 14, 2009 8:29:47pm |
re: #564 avanti
I always laugh when they say there is no waste in the military budget. As a Chief, I once had to serve as a temporary division officer for a few months and was a rookie at the job. I got a call from the department head one day saving I had some $8000 or so in my budget left over and had to spend it by the next day or they might not be able to get a increase on the next one. When I asked how the hell to spend it, I heard back. " I don't give a shit, just make it go away." I still have some of the tools I bought at servmart and so I expect do the rest of my guys :)
I also snagged thousands of dollars worth of surplus electronics before it was to be tossed overboard.
Just retires as an HMCS - Naval Hospitals can be the worse at the End of the FY "burn the OPTAR up or else" spending sprees...the money spend at the small hospitals with an daily census of three patients buying hundreds of thousands of $$$ on equipment for the inpatient wards are the worst...I always remember that you never let a Navy Nurse spend OPTAR money...
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CIA Reject Wed, Jan 14, 2009 8:29:51pm |
re: #514 Slumbering Behemoth
I'll bet you're right.
Yes, I remember the routine although not exactly as you quoted.
It's memorable because it is probably the only one of his jokes that doesn't have the "F" word in it.
| 594 |
WindHorse Wed, Jan 14, 2009 8:29:55pm |
re: #558 SanFranciscoZionist
you are absolutely right. I would never go to a dogfight...... and I would NEVER go to a dogfight with people like that....
| 595 |
Kosh's Shadow Wed, Jan 14, 2009 8:30:25pm |
re: #584 nyc redneck
he's done talking tough.
now he's going to spread the love.
he's an imbecile.
No, somewhat over half the country are the imbeciles for voting for him.
Maybe I shouldn't be so cruel; after all, McCain wasn't running too hard.
| 596 |
avanti Wed, Jan 14, 2009 8:30:25pm |
re: #521 Outrider
damn, you wouldn't believe the deals I made in the Army. I could get what ever any one wanted. Swap this, swap that. Know who was getting a command inspection, a CMMI, or an IG inspection and where they were going to dump stuff.
One of the first things I did when I hit a new base was to find out who the movers were and what the going rates were around there. Great freaking times!
Funniest I ever did was hopping up a road grader for a Marine so he could out drag the other grader on the island. I just adjusted the governor up a bit and he graded a stretch of road to our shop. Good times for sure.
I also recall "Hong Kong Mary" that would have her crew paint our ship for left over chow and a soda concession when we were in port.
| 598 |
reine.de.tout Wed, Jan 14, 2009 8:30:35pm |
re: #578 OldLineTexan
You are NOT 24 hours from Houston!
NO, I'm not.
I googled Mongolian Barbeque.
What's the name of the place?
| 599 |
Stonemason Wed, Jan 14, 2009 8:30:36pm |
Things heard blowing up on Gaza cam is rather...odd to me. Roosters, planes, then an explosion, this is real, not a movie...kinda freaks me out.
Just me though...
| 600 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, Jan 14, 2009 8:30:43pm |
I'm going to bed. Please, anyone withing reading distance of this screen...
If you see USBeast post over the next few days, give her a "Jon Lovitz" shout out for me, please.
| 601 |
x-wing Wed, Jan 14, 2009 8:30:45pm |
re: #576 spirochete
This is Gaza City we're looking at, right? Seems rather quiet for a blitzkrieg.
Yeah,these blitzkriegs' aint what they used to be ;>}
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spirochete Wed, Jan 14, 2009 8:31:14pm |
Has anyone investigated the scene here to ascertain exactly where in Gaza this is?
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sattv4u2 Wed, Jan 14, 2009 8:32:03pm |
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faraway Wed, Jan 14, 2009 8:32:11pm |
Hey, I just hooked up my Wii to this GazaCam. It's really wild.
/ beating the shiite out of the rooster right now
| 605 |
fmfnavydoc Wed, Jan 14, 2009 8:32:21pm |
Someone kick Achmed in the butt and tell him to adjust the lens on the camera...There's a turkey in the background with the rooster...can anyone else here it?
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karmic_inquisitor Wed, Jan 14, 2009 8:32:44pm |
re: #564 avanti
I always laugh when they say there is no waste in the military budget. As a Chief, I once had to serve as a temporary division officer for a few months and was a rookie at the job. I got a call from the department head one day saving I had some $8000 or so in my budget left over and had to spend it by the next day or they might not be able to get a increase on the next one. When I asked how the hell to spend it, I heard back. " I don't give a shit, just make it go away." I still have some of the tools I bought at servmart and so I expect do the rest of my guys :)
I also snagged thousands of dollars worth of surplus electronics before it was to be tossed overboard.
So with an anecdote like that (about waste, fraud and abuse) why did you take issue with my post on the potential of NASA data fudging on the prior thread? I think you accused me of having a conspiracy mindset when, in fact, I used the term "wasted, fraud and abuse" which any military veteran who has had any responsibility knows as a standard.
NASA's James Hansen has a specific record of wasting taxpayer funds. He has been caught multiple times fudging the GISS data (the link I posted was only the latest example) and yet he commands a very large and growing budget nonetheless. Look up his names and you will find many alarmists quotes about climate change going back 15 years, none of which have proven accurate.
That isn't a government conspiracy. It is a bureaucratic steamroller of government waste and , yes, fraud.
Care to comment?
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reine.de.tout Wed, Jan 14, 2009 8:33:02pm |
re: #598 reine.de.tout
NO, I'm not.
I googled Mongolian Barbeque.
What's the name of the place?
OK. I googled Mongolian Barbecue (with a "c" not a "q") Still don't see one in Houston.
OLD LINE TEXAN - NAME OF THE PLACE?
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slokat Wed, Jan 14, 2009 8:33:09pm |
re: #602 spirochete
Has anyone investigated the scene here to ascertain exactly where in Gaza this is?
Been trying but good street level maps of Gaza are hard to find on the web...
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traderjoe9 Wed, Jan 14, 2009 8:33:30pm |
Gaza Strip per CIA projection
4,270 people/sq km
(1,537,269 population July 2008, 360 sq km)-----------
Tel Aviv
7,445 people/sq km
(385,000 people, 51.8 sq km)
OMG!
So Tel Aviv has a much higher population density than the Gaza Strip...? Wait...Haifa ALSO has a higher population density? Wait wait wait....so does JERUSALEM?
Or how about Bnei Barak, with an official population density of around 19,000 per square km?
Or how about the hundreds of other cities around the world such as Mumbai, Hong Kong, Singapore, etc. that have 5 times the population density of Gaza?
So much for the "most densely populated place on earth" propaganda. Just more manufactured crap....by these peoples logic, Tel Aviv, Haifa and Jerusalem...even Manhattan (26,000) have to be hot spots of terrorism. Poor Palestinians are so shoved into Gaza...its a natural consequence.
Dumbasses.
If I had one wish, it would be to get rid of liberals (in the most humane way, of course).
| 613 |
nyc redneck Wed, Jan 14, 2009 8:33:39pm |
re: #573 newsjunkie_ky
Hi nyc redneck.
Check out the new avatar. It is puppy Izzy.
Staying warm in NYC?
hey {newsjunkie_ky}
Izzy is.
adorable. look at that face. how cute.
( i'm barely staying warm. and forget abt tomorrow. it is going to be 5 degrees here. how are you doing?)
| 614 |
x-wing Wed, Jan 14, 2009 8:33:52pm |
re: #600 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I'm going to bed. Please, anyone withing reading distance of this screen...
If you see USBeast post over the next few days, give her a "Jon Lovitz" shout out for me, please.
You got it.
| 615 |
jaunte Wed, Jan 14, 2009 8:34:10pm |
re: #602 spirochete
Looking at "ramattan, gaza city" in google maps/ satellite pics pulls up an address for "Ramattan News Agency & Media Services " that's about in the center of Gaza city. That might be it, but it's hard to tell.
| 617 |
newsjunkie_ky Wed, Jan 14, 2009 8:34:13pm |
that was strange, LGF just jumped to a website called the 'dumb test'. Didn't do anything but open The Sun link in a new window and then closed it. Martian farting microbes taking over my computer.
| 618 |
CIA Reject Wed, Jan 14, 2009 8:34:17pm |
re: #540 sattv4u2
dinged up! ,, Thanks
Thanks!
A guy sits down at a counter in a diner. The cook asks him "what'll ya have?" The guy says "give me two rotten eggs, raw bacon, burned toast and cold coffee." The cook says "I can't make you a breakfast like that!"
The guy says: "Why not? You did yesterday!"
| 619 |
Spare O'Lake Wed, Jan 14, 2009 8:34:23pm |
| 620 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, Jan 14, 2009 8:34:30pm |
| 621 |
Pietr Wed, Jan 14, 2009 8:34:41pm |
re: #583 Walter L. Newton
Breaking gas on Mars, which is nothing new, and that article is full of nothing. Tabloid poop. The only real news in The Sun is on Page 3.
Ahh yes, the page 3 girl.....Heh Heh.
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pre-Boomer Marine brat Wed, Jan 14, 2009 8:34:50pm |
re: #602 spirochete
Has anyone investigated the scene here to ascertain exactly where in Gaza this is?
I've toyed with the idea of taking screen shots, then going onto Google Maps and trying to spot the high rise buildings. Tried to get on GM this afternoon. Trying to zoom in on Gaza (specifically, in particular) made the software go bananas. Gave up.
| 624 |
avanti Wed, Jan 14, 2009 8:35:12pm |
re: #607 karmic_inquisitor
That isn't a government conspiracy. It is a bureaucratic steamroller of government waste and , yes, fraud.Care to comment?
No, it would only make me ding down worthy, I'll stick to sea stories for now. :)
| 625 |
OldLineTexan Wed, Jan 14, 2009 8:35:13pm |
re: #598 reine.de.tout
NO, I'm not.
I googled Mongolian Barbeque.
What's the name of the place?
There's a couple of dozen that I can think of.
The BEST one is in Southwest Houston, but damned if I can remember the name.
Near my house is the Mongolian Steak & Grill on FM1960. It's good, but the other one is in Chinatown and is just less Westernized.
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faraway Wed, Jan 14, 2009 8:35:54pm |
| 629 |
Walter L. Newton Wed, Jan 14, 2009 8:36:09pm |
re: #625 OldLineTexan
There's a couple of dozen that I can think of.
The BEST one is in Southwest Houston, but damned if I can remember the name.
Near my house is the Mongolian Steak & Grill on FM1960. It's good, but the other one is in Chinatown and is just less Westernized.
Ha, I use to live off of FM1960 (maybe we already discussed that before).
| 630 |
karmic_inquisitor Wed, Jan 14, 2009 8:36:14pm |
re: #624 avanti
No, it would only make me ding down worthy, I'll stick to sea stories for now. :)
So I am still a conspiracist?
| 631 |
OldLineTexan Wed, Jan 14, 2009 8:36:22pm |
re: #608 reine.de.tout
OK. I googled Mongolian Barbecue (with a "c" not a "q") Still don't see one in Houston.
OLD LINE TEXAN - NAME OF THE PLACE?
See 625. I'm slow.
| 633 |
pre-Boomer Marine brat Wed, Jan 14, 2009 8:36:32pm |
re: #609 Outrider
guess the camera on switch 434 faces into the East eh?
They have different cameras, and some (at least) pan. This view right here is facing south. I could tell from shadows on the buildings before the sun came up.
| 634 |
MandyManners Wed, Jan 14, 2009 8:37:10pm |
re: #607 karmic_inquisitor
So with an anecdote like that (about waste, fraud and abuse) why did you take issue with my post on the potential of NASA data fudging on the prior thread? I think you accused me of having a conspiracy mindset when, in fact, I used the term "wasted, fraud and abuse" which any military veteran who has had any responsibility knows as a standard.
NASA's James Hansen has a specific record of wasting taxpayer funds. He has been caught multiple times fudging the GISS data (the link I posted was only the latest example) and yet he commands a very large and growing budget nonetheless. Look up his names and you will find many alarmists quotes about climate change going back 15 years, none of which have proven accurate.
That isn't a government conspiracy. It is a bureaucratic steamroller of government waste and , yes, fraud.
Care to comment?
[Link: www.dailytech.com...]
| 636 |
fmfnavydoc Wed, Jan 14, 2009 8:37:28pm |
Hearing the UAV's now...HMG 's...big guns...the rooster and there's a turkey nearby with him...
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faraway Wed, Jan 14, 2009 8:38:01pm |
OT: from HotAir
If the liberals get this guy [Qahtani] released, and Bush in the dock charged with war crimes, that is an open declaration of war, as far as I’m concerned, in the same way the south said if Lincoln is elected president.
| 638 |
pre-Boomer Marine brat Wed, Jan 14, 2009 8:38:15pm |
Achmed is still in bed with his 10 year old wife.
| 639 |
Outrider Wed, Jan 14, 2009 8:38:22pm |
re: #596 avanti
Funniest I ever did was hopping up a road grader for a Marine so he could out drag the other grader on the island. I just adjusted the governor up a bit and he graded a stretch of road to our shop. Good times for sure.
I also recall "Hong Kong Mary" that would have her crew paint our ship for left over chow and a soda concession when we were in port.
We got a new Company commander who was going through the property for his inventory to sign for and sign stuff down to users, etc.
The old boy had a cow about all the odd assortment of stuff I had stashed inside the SeaLand container and went off telling me to get rid of it. It was only when we got back to his office he got around to asking where in hell did I get a sealand container when others had a conex. and how did I get it delivered? lol
He came to his senses in a couple of days and I was able to move everything back "home".
I remember one time I even ended up with a chopper turbine I can;t remember how I got. But ended up giving it to 200 Aviation in exchange for flight time to jump the Post skydiving club. Worked out as they needed hours.
| 640 |
Spare O'Lake Wed, Jan 14, 2009 8:38:31pm |
| 641 |
newsjunkie_ky Wed, Jan 14, 2009 8:38:35pm |
re: #613 nyc redneck
hey {newsjunkie_ky}
Izzy is.
adorable. look at that face. how cute.
( i'm barely staying warm. and forget abt tomorrow. it is going to be 5 degrees here. how are you doing?)
I had to hold her, it was the only way we could keep her still long enough to take a picture. lol
The high tomorrow is 15 the low 1. Wind is brutal, not sure what the wind chill is. At least we don't have snow or ice.
Keep bundled up and wear your boots.
| 642 |
Abu Al-Poopypants Wed, Jan 14, 2009 8:38:40pm |
re: #602 spirochete
Has anyone investigated the scene here to ascertain exactly where in Gaza this is?
I'm sure the IDF did.
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Render Wed, Jan 14, 2009 8:38:46pm |
I used Google Maps to find the high ground roughly due East of Gaza City.
I think that's Merkava Ridge.
Achmed sleeping in, or just forgot about the filters and the morning sun again? How much are we paying this again? Oh yeah...nevermind.
AHM
BACK,
R
| 644 |
OldLineTexan Wed, Jan 14, 2009 8:38:46pm |
re: #629 Walter L. Newton
Ha, I use to live off of FM1960 (maybe we already discussed that before).
Yes! We'll always have Houston...
| 645 |
fmfnavydoc Wed, Jan 14, 2009 8:38:56pm |
re: #638 pre-Boomer Marine brat
Achmed is still in bed with his 10 year old wife.
Tell him to leave the old goat alone and fix the damn camera...
| 646 |
slokat Wed, Jan 14, 2009 8:38:57pm |
re: #636 fmfnavydoc
Hearing the UAV's now...HMG 's...big guns...the rooster and there's a turkey nearby with him...
was just going to mention the turkey gobble... beat me to it!
| 647 |
MandyManners Wed, Jan 14, 2009 8:39:28pm |
I am reminded of battles during the Civil War which were attended by civilians as if the whole thing was one big show!
| 648 |
CIA Reject Wed, Jan 14, 2009 8:39:41pm |
re: #591 mikeymom
once hubby ordered a bottled beer-waiter flipeed the cap at table-as beer flowed over, waiter put his thumb on bottle to stop the overflow. hubby calmly looked at waiter and asked for another beer. waiter looked shocked.
*EEEEWWWW*
| 649 |
x-wing Wed, Jan 14, 2009 8:39:48pm |
re: #605 fmfnavydoc
Someone kick Achmed in the butt and tell him to adjust the lens on the camera...There's a turkey in the background with the rooster...can anyone else here it?
I hear it too. We need to darken that lens some, Achmeds probably napping, the IDF were pretty rough on him overnight.
There we go. Who kicked him? ;>}
| 650 |
MandyManners Wed, Jan 14, 2009 8:39:53pm |
re: #638 pre-Boomer Marine brat
Achmed is still in bed with his 10 year old wife.
Why do you say that?
| 651 |
faraway Wed, Jan 14, 2009 8:39:58pm |
Maybe that's not a rooster. A Gazan woman maybe?
| 652 |
OldLineTexan Wed, Jan 14, 2009 8:40:06pm |
re: #635 reine.de.tout
thanks!
If y'all drive all the way out here for that, LMK in advance and I'll see if I can't round up Pulchritudinous Patriot and some other local Lizards for a big LFG nosh.
| 653 |
CapeCoddah Wed, Jan 14, 2009 8:40:49pm |
| 654 |
Outrider Wed, Jan 14, 2009 8:41:01pm |
re: #633 pre-Boomer Marine brat
They have different cameras, and some (at least) pan. This view right here is facing south. I could tell from shadows on the buildings before the sun came up.
434 had nothing but sun ;-)>
| 655 |
Render Wed, Jan 14, 2009 8:41:02pm |
re: #633 pre-Boomer Marine brat
Rafah Crossing and the Philli Corridor, Southern front. When I left all the action was in the East and North.
===
Whoa two rounds WP seven blocks away from the camera, among the highrises.
WAKE
UP
CALL,
R
| 657 |
MandyManners Wed, Jan 14, 2009 8:41:21pm |
| 658 |
avanti Wed, Jan 14, 2009 8:41:43pm |
re: #630 karmic_inquisitor
Not if there is a NASA conspiracy, then you're simply a astute observer and I'm a sucker.
| 659 |
Wishing Wed, Jan 14, 2009 8:42:05pm |
re: #573 newsjunkie_ky
Hi nyc redneck.
Check out the new avatar. It is puppy Izzy.
Staying warm in NYC?
aww, she is beautiful!
| 661 |
faraway Wed, Jan 14, 2009 8:42:55pm |
re: #647 MandyManners
I am reminded of battles during the Civil War which were attended by civilians as if the whole thing was one big show!
+100
Thank you. I knew this felt really strange. That is exactly it. Here are some pics of CivilWarCam
| 662 |
Joo-LiZ Wed, Jan 14, 2009 8:42:57pm |
For those of us here who have seen video footage of rallies against Israel and the blatant anti-semitism that runs rampant; the Canadian Jewish Congress has decided to take the matter to court.
This video was shown in a press conference by the CJC. The following is their press release. Maybe an organization is finally taking a stand against this insanity.
TORONTO - Canadian Jewish Congress exposed video and photographic evidence of what it believes to be incitement to hatred and violence by demonstrators at the recent pro-Hamas rallies in Toronto, Montreal and Calgary.The rallies were co-sponsored by organizations including the Toronto Area Council of the United Steel Workers, the Conseil National des Syndicats, Palestine House, CUPE-Ontario, the Canadian Arab Federation, and the Roman Catholic Archdiocese of Montreal's Office de la pastorale sociale.
"Canadians cherish the right to peacefully demonstrate about issues that concern them," said CJC CEO Bernie M. Farber. "But organizations that sponsor such demonstrations have an active responsibility to ensure Canadian values are respected and Canadian laws are upheld. Today, we call upon all organizations that sponsored these demonstrations to denounce the horrendous expressions of anti-Semitism and calls to genocide that occurred".
Canadian Jewish Congress will also be asking law enforcement, including the RCMP, in the cities where these rallies took place to investigate the possibility of violations of Canadian law.
"All Canadians should be deeply concerned by attempts to import the conflict in the Middle East to our communities," said Sara Saber-Freedman, Executive Vice President of the Canada-Israel Committee. "These public verbal threats enable and encourage acts of physical violence, which have dramatically increased in Europe and the United States over the last several weeks," she noted.
The video and photographs are available on the website of Canadian Jewish Congress at [Link: www.cjc.ca....]
| 663 |
x-wing Wed, Jan 14, 2009 8:43:00pm |
| 664 |
fmfnavydoc Wed, Jan 14, 2009 8:43:01pm |
re: #655 Render
Rafah Crossing and the Philli Corridor, Southern front. When I left all the action was in the East and North.
===
Whoa two rounds WP seven blocks away from the camera, among the highrises.
WAKE
UP
CALL,
R
"Good Morning Hamas...this is the IDF with your wake up call...WAKEY, WAKEY...EGGS AND BAKIE!"
| 665 |
Walter L. Newton Wed, Jan 14, 2009 8:43:01pm |
| 666 |
unclassifiable Wed, Jan 14, 2009 8:43:11pm |
re: #652 OldLineTexan
Mind if I join. I have been in a country officially declared in a "near collapse" state for the last week. Returning to Houston will be good for me.
/name blue I think
| 667 |
Render Wed, Jan 14, 2009 8:43:19pm |
Smoke and gunfire, short bursts between the highrises ground level.
VISUAL
RANGE,
R
| 668 |
Stonemason Wed, Jan 14, 2009 8:43:31pm |
re: #647 MandyManners
I am reminded of battles during the Civil War which were attended by civilians as if the whole thing was one big show!
Yeah, that's it. I feel as if this can't, won't happen where I am and just sit and watch...as odd as I feel I can't turn it off
| 669 |
spirochete Wed, Jan 14, 2009 8:44:00pm |
re: #523 notutopia
[Link: switch434-01.castup.net...]
I could say look it up ....like you said to me once....
I did? When was that?
| 670 |
Kosh's Shadow Wed, Jan 14, 2009 8:44:00pm |
re: #612 traderjoe9
Simple. Liberals don't consider Jews to be people.
| 671 |
Outrider Wed, Jan 14, 2009 8:44:48pm |
re: #661 faraway
+100
Thank you. I knew this felt really strange. That is exactly it. Here are some pics of CivilWarCam
circa 1910
| 672 |
itellu3times Wed, Jan 14, 2009 8:44:50pm |
re: #666 unclassifiable
Mind if I join. I have been in a country officially declared in a "near collapse" state for the last week. Returning to Houston will be good for me.
Welcome home to Obamastan.
| 673 |
mikeymom Wed, Jan 14, 2009 8:44:57pm |
re: #665 Walter L. Newton
were you once attacked by a gull? is that your problem?/ or did maizie get attacked?
| 674 |
Render Wed, Jan 14, 2009 8:45:02pm |
Looks like more WP over the highrises. That's nasty...
DO
IT
AGAIN,
R
| 675 |
Syrah Wed, Jan 14, 2009 8:45:08pm |
The Rooster is title enough. Hell, he has his own song"...]>.
| 677 |
pre-Boomer Marine brat Wed, Jan 14, 2009 8:45:28pm |
re: #647 MandyManners
I am reminded of battles during the Civil War which were attended by civilians as if the whole thing was one big show!
And the carriages fleeing north in panic from First Bull Run.
I wonder what Ol' Thomas would've said.
*doffing hat*
| 678 |
spirochete Wed, Jan 14, 2009 8:45:40pm |
| 679 |
newsjunkie_ky Wed, Jan 14, 2009 8:45:51pm |
re: #659 Wishing
aww, she is beautiful!
Thanks, she is a sweetie. If she wants to play, she comes and gets me off the computer and makes me follow her to her bed in the kitchen. That is where all her treasures are kept. We have to play keep away and fetch 4 or 5 times a day.
I miss Meggie every day, but Izzy makes me laugh.
How are you doing this evening?
| 680 |
unclassifiable Wed, Jan 14, 2009 8:46:08pm |
re: #672 itellu3times
Aw crap you HAD to remind me. Well I'm sure the non-sop media blathering would have anyway.
| 681 |
fmfnavydoc Wed, Jan 14, 2009 8:46:11pm |
Anyone have an idea what direction the camera is ? I'm looking at a hi-rise that is mid picture...
| 682 |
Render Wed, Jan 14, 2009 8:46:17pm |
Why do I get the feeling we're gonna be seeing those WP stills in the press for a while to come?
MAGGOTS,
R
| 684 |
victor_yugo Wed, Jan 14, 2009 8:46:29pm |
re: #662 Joo-LiZ
For those of us here who have seen video footage of rallies against Israel and the blatant anti-semitism that runs rampant; the Canadian Jewish Congress has decided to take the matter to court.
It would be interesting to see how this proceeds, vis-a-vis the asinine hearings against Ezra Levant and Mark Steyn.
| 685 |
reine.de.tout Wed, Jan 14, 2009 8:46:35pm |
re: #652 OldLineTexan
If y'all drive all the way out here for that, LMK in advance and I'll see if I can't round up Pulchritudinous Patriot and some other local Lizards for a big LFG nosh.
okey-dokey!
that would be great!
Pulch Pat was a La. gal before she was a Texas gal, if I recall correctly.
The Roi occasionally has to go to houston for "training".
| 686 |
Walter L. Newton Wed, Jan 14, 2009 8:46:43pm |
re: #673 mikeymom
were you once attacked by a gull? is that your problem?/ or did maizie get attacked?
It was horrible... it happened on Mt. Evans one summer...
/
| 688 |
MandyManners Wed, Jan 14, 2009 8:47:25pm |
re: #668 Stonemason
Yeah, that's it. I feel as if this can't, won't happen where I am and just sit and watch...as odd as I feel I can't turn it off
I keep in the front of my mind that kids are being killed.
| 691 |
Kosh's Shadow Wed, Jan 14, 2009 8:47:50pm |
| 692 |
mikeymom Wed, Jan 14, 2009 8:48:00pm |
re: #679 newsjunkie_ky
i'm not really a doggie person, but that is one helleva cute doggie! glad she is helping you heal your soul!
| 693 |
fmfnavydoc Wed, Jan 14, 2009 8:48:09pm |
Thanks, Render...I had though that , but wasn't real sure...
| 694 |
spirochete Wed, Jan 14, 2009 8:48:13pm |
I believe (whomever told me further up the thread) you're right. I googled around with the Ramattan news service, and they have the cameras on their building. I clicked one of the links and it took me to the same camera I had before.
There was a map but it wasn't terribly user friendly.
| 695 |
Outrider Wed, Jan 14, 2009 8:49:20pm |
got to go and deliver a few pieces of paper. will be back in awhile. ;-)>
| 696 |
Stonemason Wed, Jan 14, 2009 8:49:30pm |
re: #688 MandyManners
Yeah, me too, and know that Israel does all it can to prevent that...short of surrendering as the un, eu, and the left would like to see
| 697 |
MandyManners Wed, Jan 14, 2009 8:49:39pm |
re: #688 MandyManners
I keep in the front of my mind that kids are being killed.
I am not God nor do I have one scintilla of an inkling what God thinks.
Good thing that.
| 698 |
newsjunkie_ky Wed, Jan 14, 2009 8:49:47pm |
re: #692 mikeymom
i'm not really a doggie person, but that is one helleva cute doggie! glad she is helping you heal your soul!
Thanks, she is, and she had just been brushed. Doesn't do a bit of good, in one minute the hair is all wild again.
How are you all this cold night?
| 699 |
So? Wed, Jan 14, 2009 8:50:13pm |
SUN or no SUN, I predict Life will be found on Mars eventually. Microbial but life none the less.
| 700 |
CapeCoddah Wed, Jan 14, 2009 8:50:33pm |
re: #657 MandyManners
BTDT. I still don't get it.
I thought it was a reference to the topic of that thread? Maybe not
| 703 |
mikeymom Wed, Jan 14, 2009 8:51:13pm |
re: #686 Walter L. Newton
are you sure it wasn't one of those agressive western jays at the chipmunk feeding place heading into estes?
| 705 |
jaunte Wed, Jan 14, 2009 8:51:14pm |
re: #694 spirochete
Here's a map with some of the buildings identified.
(Alaqsa News agency is centered in the map).
[Link: wikimapia.org...]
| 706 |
Spare O'Lake Wed, Jan 14, 2009 8:51:23pm |
re: #662 Joo-LiZ
For those of us here who have seen video footage of rallies against Israel and the blatant anti-semitism that runs rampant; the Canadian Jewish Congress has decided to take the matter to court.
Maybe an organization is finally taking a stand against this insanity.
Careful you don't get trampled by the CHRC investigators.////
| 707 |
Render Wed, Jan 14, 2009 8:51:26pm |
Close enough to hear single shots from small arms now.
IDF,
R
| 708 |
x-wing Wed, Jan 14, 2009 8:51:43pm |
There's some serious shit going on behind the tallest building in the feed.
| 709 |
victor_yugo Wed, Jan 14, 2009 8:51:45pm |
Okay, all, I'm on a pretty strict schedule that starts at 8:00am, so it's time for me to hit the hay.
| 710 |
Racer X Wed, Jan 14, 2009 8:52:03pm |
re: #695 Outrider
got to go and deliver a few pieces of paper. will be back in awhile. ;-)>
Wash your hands afterwards!
| 712 |
avanti Wed, Jan 14, 2009 8:52:33pm |
re: #699 So?
SUN or no SUN, I predict Life will be found on Mars eventually. Microbial but life none the less.
I agree, microbial stuff is hardy as hell and there were oceans on Mars that took a long time to dry up.
| 713 |
unclassifiable Wed, Jan 14, 2009 8:52:42pm |
I'm not sure what it is like being a "typical" Gazan. I have been an American all my life and have lived during a time when, even with 911, I never felt like an invasion was imminent.
Trying to put myself in the shoes of someone who was so sure that Hamas was going to "get the Jews" and be able to fire rockets ad infinitum and is now facing the brutal consequences of such a delusion.
| 714 |
MandyManners Wed, Jan 14, 2009 8:52:54pm |
I am crying here. It hurts beyond comprehension.
The fault lies with their parents.
But, they're still dead.
| 715 |
Walter L. Newton Wed, Jan 14, 2009 8:52:59pm |
re: #703 mikeymom
are you sure it wasn't one of those agressive western jays at the chipmunk feeding place heading into estes?
Have we met there before? I love that little turnout. Those ground squirrels certainly have become almost hand trained.
| 716 |
realwest Wed, Jan 14, 2009 8:53:14pm |
Good evening y'all - sorry to be so late. What all are we discussing?
| 717 |
x-wing Wed, Jan 14, 2009 8:53:33pm |
Render.
What's going on up on Makarve Ridge. Alot of black smoke,
| 718 |
spirochete Wed, Jan 14, 2009 8:53:49pm |
re: #705 jaunte
Here's a map with some of the buildings identified.
(Alaqsa News agency is centered in the map).[Link: wikimapia.org...]
I was just perusing Gaza on google. Oops, just said i can't open wikimapia...
| 719 |
faraway Wed, Jan 14, 2009 8:53:51pm |
re: #708 x-wing
There's some serious shit going on behind the tallest building in the feed.
They heard you. We're moving.
| 722 |
mikeymom Wed, Jan 14, 2009 8:54:20pm |
re: #698 newsjunkie_ky
i'm great thanks--but not too cold here on the plains of co--gonne be 50's on weekend--mon could go to 60--love it! my mikey--avatar helps me keep warm at night--he's a butt snuggler!
| 723 |
Pietr Wed, Jan 14, 2009 8:54:47pm |
re: #686 Walter L. Newton
It was horrible... it happened on Mt. Evans one summer...
/
Hopefully not while you were 'choking the chicken'.......
/White smoke.......
| 724 |
Wishing Wed, Jan 14, 2009 8:55:10pm |
re: #679 newsjunkie_ky
Hi news, I am doing pretty good. Still in training for the new job. Had an ugly time tonight at dinner with friends, but other than that, enjoying the live shots from Israel!
Sounds like you and Izzy are a match!
| 725 |
fmfnavydoc Wed, Jan 14, 2009 8:55:14pm |
re: #712 avanti
I agree, microbial stuff is hardy as hell and there were oceans on Mars that took a long time to dry up.
I'm not sure if you know this - the two rovers (Opportunity and Spirit) are still chugging along on Mars...5 years after landing there...they were only suppose to work for 90 days...the data from them has already shown quite a few things about Mars, and opened up more questions...
Not a bad return on our tax dollars...
| 726 |
Walter L. Newton Wed, Jan 14, 2009 8:55:18pm |
re: #722 mikeymom
i'm great thanks--but not too cold here on the plains of co--gonne be 50's on weekend--mon could go to 60--love it! my mikey--avatar helps me keep warm at night--he's a butt snuggler!
TMI on the cat.
| 727 |
karmic_inquisitor Wed, Jan 14, 2009 8:55:25pm |
re: #658 avanti
Not if there is a NASA conspiracy, then you're simply a astute observer and I'm a sucker.
I'm sorry, but when in my entire thread did I post the word "conspiracy" except to respond to you?
Let me ask it this way - If you took over a unit that had no maintenance records and a lackadaisical attitude about maintaining them, yet reported to the next command level that they were "good to go" and that everyone should "take their word for it," would you go along? Or would you climb up the asses of the maintenance personnel and make them get the records straight?
I called for an audit of NASA's GISS record keeping and methods because this planet is about to embark on trillions of dollars of spending and carbon taxes to battle a phenomenon that may not be happening because some assholes ( who have repeatedly produced bad numbers and now fail a simple statistical test) say their measurements are "ship shape" and "trust us".
Not a conspiracy.
Just good old incompetence.
- And the answer is "no" - I am not going to let it go if you are going to be cavalier in accusing people of being conspiracists when they utter skepticism based on facts contradicting long held assumptions.
| 730 |
x-wing Wed, Jan 14, 2009 8:56:15pm |
re: #716 realwest
Good evening y'all - sorry to be so late. What all are we discussing?
Smoke, and lots of it. Getting closer to the center of Gaza city. Oh, and Achmed musta bought a turkey.
| 732 |
realwest Wed, Jan 14, 2009 8:56:41pm |
re: #720 jaunte Hey juante, I am feeling a little bit better, thanks. I should be ok by morning. Just an accidental "overdose" of a pill that is identical in size and shape to another pill that I take regularly but the wrong one, which I took, was over 3 times more powerful (painkillers/opiate family).
How are you doing?
| 733 |
Dark_Falcon Wed, Jan 14, 2009 8:56:43pm |
re: #707 Render
Close enough to hear single shots from small arms now.
IDF,
R
Go IDF! I am longing to see the Gaza Cam's last shots being IDF soldiers telling the cameraman the show's over.
| 734 |
Joo-LiZ Wed, Jan 14, 2009 8:56:46pm |
re: #714 MandyManners
I am crying here. It hurts beyond comprehension.
The fault lies with their parents.
But, they're still dead.
{Mandy}
All life lost is tragic. There is a saying in the Talmud (I think), that I am pretty sure is echoed in many other religions; the loss of a single life is like the loss of an entire universe.
The key is to not be overwhelmed by the tragedy, but to refocus your sorrow and continue to work to make the world a better place, however you can.
As the Chabad Rabbi's have stated, the best response to terror on any level is to add to the kindness in the world. Take an extra couple minutes each day to do an act of good. It's really the least that can be done, and adds so much to the world.
| 735 |
MandyManners Wed, Jan 14, 2009 8:57:33pm |
re: #711 Sharmuta
And being exploited in death for propaganda films.
I am not talking about this. I'm talking about the fact that KIDS ARE DYING. Their young, sweet hopes are being dashed. They are being blown to bits.
I gotta' stop now before I go ballistic.
| 736 |
Racer X Wed, Jan 14, 2009 8:57:33pm |
re: #732 realwest
So, you're saying you got a good buzz on then?
| 737 |
jaunte Wed, Jan 14, 2009 8:57:36pm |
re: #732 realwest
Dang. Mark those suckers! I'm back to seminormal.
| 738 |
mikeymom Wed, Jan 14, 2009 8:57:39pm |
re: #715 Walter L. Newton
took my sis there this aug when she was here for my sons wedding--she laughed so hard when they got in her hand--spent an hour there!
| 739 |
fmfnavydoc Wed, Jan 14, 2009 8:57:43pm |
Looks like they turned the camera South West...must be where the gunfire is coming from...
| 741 |
Dustyvet Wed, Jan 14, 2009 8:58:06pm |
re: #730 x-wing
Smoke, and lots of it. Getting closer to the center of Gaza city. Oh, and Achmed musta bought a turkey.
Maybe he bought a Henweigh...
| 742 |
Render Wed, Jan 14, 2009 8:58:11pm |
re: #717 x-wing
Haven't seen it yet. The camera would be looking right into the sun currently.
Good time to advance, with the sun at your back.
DUE
EAST,
R
| 743 |
Sharmuta Wed, Jan 14, 2009 8:58:23pm |
re: #735 MandyManners
I am not talking about this. I'm talking about the fact that KIDS ARE DYING. Their young, sweet hopes are being dashed. They are being blown to bits.
I gotta' stop now before I go ballistic.
They live under islam- that's enough to dash hope.
| 744 |
The Shadow Do Wed, Jan 14, 2009 8:58:25pm |
re: #564 avanti
I always laugh when they say there is no waste in the military budget. As a Chief, I once had to serve as a temporary division officer for a few months and was a rookie at the job. I got a call from the department head one day saving I had some $8000 or so in my budget left over and had to spend it by the next day or they might not be able to get a increase on the next one. When I asked how the hell to spend it, I heard back. " I don't give a shit, just make it go away." I still have some of the tools I bought at servmart and so I expect do the rest of my guys :)
I also snagged thousands of dollars worth of surplus electronics before it was to be tossed overboard.
Any government body for that matter. While in college I took many odd jobs including a gig with the Neighborhood Youth Corps (don't know if it still exists). I was tasked to spend abut $10K in one day- for the kids of course. Hello my local sporting goods store!
I know the whereabouts of about 10 canoes, hundreds of basketballs, hockey pucks, etc., etc.
Bet you they are still in the same rented storage to this day - a sort of Uncle Sam time capsule. Multiply that times X?
| 745 |
zelnaga Wed, Jan 14, 2009 8:58:36pm |
One of the missiles was in what appeared to be a fairly packed city block. That you can see crowds on the road doesn't necessarily mean that there aren't crowds inside that you can't see. Wouldn't infrared cameras be able to pick up on this, though? Or maybe what we were seeing was gray scaled infrared?
| 746 |
CapeCoddah Wed, Jan 14, 2009 8:58:55pm |
re: #721 MandyManners
Would that I had power over this.
Any of us , Mandy. It is so hard, but, if this is not done, a lot more innocent children will die.
| 747 |
kahall Wed, Jan 14, 2009 8:58:55pm |
I'm late as usual, but it's amazing those pilots can do that. It seems like the missiles are just floating and then they divert.
| 748 |
Racer X Wed, Jan 14, 2009 8:59:11pm |
re: #740 faraway
Is everyone watching this full-screen?
I had to shut it down - doing a major upgrade and it is hogging bandwidth.
| 749 |
mikeymom Wed, Jan 14, 2009 8:59:54pm |
re: #726 Walter L. Newton
hes a 20 lb maine coon--does a great job of warming my fat ass-lol!
| 750 |
Render Wed, Jan 14, 2009 9:00:04pm |
re: #740 faraway
Yes. Lit up pretty much non-stop depending on the servers and the feed.
THIS
IS
HISTORY,
R
| 751 |
Walter L. Newton Wed, Jan 14, 2009 9:00:06pm |
re: #738 mikeymom
took my sis there this aug when she was here for my sons wedding--she laughed so hard when they got in her hand--spent an hour there!
A bag of peanuts and a few hours, it's a real treat to see those little critters have such a good time.
That made me smile. And a good way to hit the hay. I know, you like the 50 degree days, I hate them, at least in the winter. I want cold, snow, mother nature and her fury. Night all.
| 752 |
Stonemason Wed, Jan 14, 2009 9:00:13pm |
I have an Aunt that chalks everything up to the 'plan', there is no reason we will understand but He does...
Very hard to accept when kids are in the middle
| 753 |
realwest Wed, Jan 14, 2009 9:00:19pm |
re: #730 x-wing Glad to hear we're getting to the center of Gaza City and also glad that we swapped out the damn rooster for a turkey!
Y'all watching a live cam or just getting periodic reports of what's going on?
| 754 |
Joo-LiZ Wed, Jan 14, 2009 9:00:22pm |
re: #735 MandyManners
I am not talking about this. I'm talking about the fact that KIDS ARE DYING. Their young, sweet hopes are being dashed. They are being blown to bits.
I gotta' stop now before I go ballistic.
As Sharmuta points out -- the regimes they were growing too are enough to dash all those hopes.
Or worse -- twist those hopes from something good and sweet into a hope for the death of Israelis and Jews.
| 757 |
avanti Wed, Jan 14, 2009 9:00:48pm |
re: #725 fmfnavydoc
I'm not sure if you know this - the two rovers (Opportunity and Spirit) are still chugging along on Mars...5 years after landing there...they were only suppose to work for 90 days...the data from them has already shown quite a few things about Mars, and opened up more questions...
Not a bad return on our tax dollars...
Thanks, but I do. I follow those two guys on the NASA site. I'd bet a beer that there will be some tears shed by both men and women at NASA when one finally dies. Spirit will probably go first, she's lost a leg, and is getting pretty frail.
| 758 |
fmfnavydoc Wed, Jan 14, 2009 9:01:12pm |
Lot of HMG fire now...explosions...if the IDF is moving from the east, this would be the time to move...
| 759 |
Wishing Wed, Jan 14, 2009 9:01:23pm |
re: #662 Joo-LiZ
For those of us here who have seen video footage of rallies against Israel and the blatant anti-semitism that runs rampant; the Canadian Jewish Congress has decided to take the matter to court.
This video was shown in a press conference by the CJC. The following is their press release. Maybe an organization is finally taking a stand against this insanity.
Um, Joo-Liz, have you checked this video you embedded? (I only listened to the first few seconds...are you sure that is what you wanted to post?)
| 760 |
newsjunkie_ky Wed, Jan 14, 2009 9:01:29pm |
re: #722 mikeymom
i'm great thanks--but not too cold here on the plains of co--gonne be 50's on weekend--mon could go to 60--love it! my mikey--avatar helps me keep warm at night--he's a butt snuggler!
LOL! Izzy is still being crated at night. I tried to let her sleep with me but she wants to look over the edge of the bed. I have a very old antique bed and it very high off the floor. She scares me. I'll wait till she is a little older.
We are going to have very cold temps the rest of the week. Could use your butt snuggler.
| 762 |
realwest Wed, Jan 14, 2009 9:01:45pm |
re: #736 Racer X
No, I'm saying that I almost O.D.'d. Not fun at all.
| 763 |
x-wing Wed, Jan 14, 2009 9:01:46pm |
Anybody else hear that crack? I t sounded like a single shot out of a rifle.
| 764 |
MandyManners Wed, Jan 14, 2009 9:01:48pm |
I'm gonna' stop now.
Ismail Haniyeh, you are the scum that scum calls scum.
| 765 |
Spare O'Lake Wed, Jan 14, 2009 9:02:03pm |
re: #714 MandyManners
I am crying here. It hurts beyond comprehension.
The fault lies with their parents.
But, they're still dead.
The children always pay one way or another for the sins of their parents.
It's the eternal shame of this ugly world.
| 766 |
newsjunkie_ky Wed, Jan 14, 2009 9:02:39pm |
re: #724 Wishing
Hi news, I am doing pretty good. Still in training for the new job. Had an ugly time tonight at dinner with friends, but other than that, enjoying the live shots from Israel!
Sounds like you and Izzy are a match!
I've missed something. New Job? Ugly time? What happened?
| 767 |
Sharmuta Wed, Jan 14, 2009 9:02:41pm |
re: #754 Joo-LiZ
As Sharmuta points out -- the regimes they were growing too are enough to dash all those hopes.
Or worse -- twist those hopes from something good and sweet into a hope for the death of Israelis and Jews.
My heart breaks for those kids- they don't know any better. But I do- I know what awaits them. Hate and hell, and death and rape. My heart breaks for those children- under hamas, they'll never stand a chance.
| 768 |
realwest Wed, Jan 14, 2009 9:03:10pm |
re: #737 jaunte I'm glad to hear your back to normal my friend - and I disposed of those pills which were several months old and prescribe IN LIEU of what I'm taking for a short period of time - long story about how they got mixed up.
Glad to hear your good news though!
| 770 |
fmfnavydoc Wed, Jan 14, 2009 9:03:30pm |
re: #757 avanti
Thanks, but I do. I follow those two guys on the NASA site. I'd bet a beer that there will be some tears shed by both men and women at NASA when one finally dies. Spirit will probably go first, she's lost a leg, and is getting pretty frail.
Both have done good work...I've followed them on the JPL site also...it will be a sad day when each one isn't heard from...hope to see the day when a man or woman goes to where they will be sitting and says hello to them in person....
| 772 |
Racer X Wed, Jan 14, 2009 9:03:38pm |
| 773 |
Dark_Falcon Wed, Jan 14, 2009 9:03:58pm |
re: #763 x-wing
Anybody else hear that crack? I t sounded like a single shot out of a rifle.
I'd guess some Hamass just became a Good Terrorist.
| 774 |
Stonemason Wed, Jan 14, 2009 9:03:59pm |
re: #735 MandyManners
Mandy...your pain, and sorrow is what your kids will see, and feel, and learn from. If enough of us share this pain, maybe things can change...they have to learn how to love and forget how to hate.
/borrowed line
| 775 |
Joo-LiZ Wed, Jan 14, 2009 9:04:19pm |
re: #759 Wishing
Um, Joo-Liz, have you checked this video you embedded? (I only listened to the first few seconds...are you sure that is what you wanted to post?)
AHH! LOL.... Definitely not the video I wanted to post (someone else just sent that to me :p)
It's the video the CJC compiled of evidence of incitement. They are using that to make their case.
Better *phew*
| 776 |
x-wing Wed, Jan 14, 2009 9:05:20pm |
re: #753 realwest
Glad to hear we're getting to the center of Gaza City and also glad that we swapped out the damn rooster for a turkey!
Y'all watching a live cam or just getting periodic reports of what's going on?
We still got rooster. And yes live stream has treated us very well tonight
See for yourself
[Link: switch434-01.castup.net...]
| 777 |
Wishing Wed, Jan 14, 2009 9:05:32pm |
re: #740 faraway
Is everyone watching this full-screen?
Actually, I have a split screen, half is LGF, the other half is the live-cam.
Works great!
| 778 |
mikeymom Wed, Jan 14, 2009 9:05:32pm |
re: #760 newsjunkie_ky
mikey will work for a little tuna in the am, and a few fresh shrimp at night! not too spoiled/
| 779 |
Sharmuta Wed, Jan 14, 2009 9:06:08pm |
Too bad we can't send Brad and Angelina to gaza. They could adopt all the kids.
| 780 |
karmic_inquisitor Wed, Jan 14, 2009 9:06:22pm |
re: #756 Iron Fist
I'm not sure I am supportive of this. Were the initial targets of military importance? If not, sure, don't hit them with civies around. There are other targets to hit. But if these were vital military assets that Israel is not destroying because she doesn't want to be portrayed poorly in the media, then this is a mistake. hamasniks will know to make sure they have pleanty of "civillians" around any vital equipment to shield against attack. While this is blatantly illegal under the accepted laws of war, it would hardly be the first time that Hamas has violated the laws of war. Funny, though, because no one ever takes the Palestinians to task over their breaking the Geneva conventions or other laws of war.
The problem is that none of these targets by themselves are a grave threat at this point. The mission is to uproot Hamas, and they took out the command and control infrastructure (and civilians got killed, unfortunately) and now they are focused on taking out the guys doing the dirty deeds. Each guy is a low value target unless it is a major leader, which is unlikely. So I think, as time ticks away, Israel will have progressively lower value targets for the guys in the air to hit and the ground pounders will have to walk in and take out the last ones.
| 781 |
Kosh's Shadow Wed, Jan 14, 2009 9:06:43pm |
re: #735 MandyManners
I am not talking about this. I'm talking about the fact that KIDS ARE DYING. Their young, sweet hopes are being dashed. They are being blown to bits.
I gotta' stop now before I go ballistic.
If we're talking about Gazan kids, they've been brainwashed so their hopes are to kill Jews.
Those hopes should be gone.
| 782 |
Render Wed, Jan 14, 2009 9:06:43pm |
I was out for about three hours, has this intensity been going the whole time I was gone?
PHASE
IV,
R
| 784 |
spirochete Wed, Jan 14, 2009 9:07:05pm |
re: #777 Wishing
Actually, I have a split screen, half is LGF, the other half is the live-cam.
Works great!
That's what I'm doing, too.
| 785 |
Dustyvet Wed, Jan 14, 2009 9:07:10pm |
re: #773 Dark_Falcon
I'd guess some Hamass just became a Good Terrorist.
Nah, accidental discharge the twit don't know how to put the weapon on safe, and I really hope that the weapon was pointed down range...BANG...ummm sorry about that Achmed...Oh that's going to leave a mark...:)
| 786 |
slokat Wed, Jan 14, 2009 9:07:33pm |
re: #705 jaunte
Here's a map with some of the buildings identified.
(Alaqsa News agency is centered in the map).[Link: wikimapia.org...]
So, in that view the unfinished apartment buildings are at about 7:15, the green open area is at about 1:30, the current view is about 8:00?
| 787 |
avanti Wed, Jan 14, 2009 9:07:47pm |
re: #770 fmfnavydoc
Both have done good work...I've followed them on the JPL site also...it will be a sad day when each one isn't heard from...hope to see the day when a man or woman goes to where they will be sitting and says hello to them in person....
Silly is it not to have feeling for some servo's and tin. I feel the same way about the cars I restore, I name the things and swear they all have a personality. I won't even mention choking up in spots while watching the movie Wally.:)
| 788 |
Dark_Falcon Wed, Jan 14, 2009 9:08:11pm |
re: #779 Sharmuta
Too bad we can't send Brad and Angelina to gaza. They could adopt all the kids.
I wish they could adopt an orphan from Gaza. Take child out of that hellhole and teach him or her something other than nihilism and hatred.
| 789 |
realwest Wed, Jan 14, 2009 9:08:28pm |
re: #760 newsjunkie_ky
Hey there {news} - maybe y'all ought to put a pillow or two on the floor so she can learn to sleep with you?
It's gonna be colder than cold down here, too - HIGH temps starting on Friday and for the next week are gonna be BELOW FREEZING!
This is the SOUTHLAND? WTH?!
| 790 |
NY Nana Wed, Jan 14, 2009 9:09:29pm |
re: #781 Kosh's Shadow
If we're talking about Gazan kids, they've been brainwashed so their hopes are to kill Jews.
Those hopes should be gone.
That begins in utero....teach a child to hate?
It seems to be genetic.
| 791 |
Promethea Wed, Jan 14, 2009 9:09:37pm |
re: #13 Guanxi88
See, stuff like this takes their precision beyond the cliched "surgical" and brings it into the freakin' micro-surgical realm. This is like hitting cancer cells one at a time, for pete's sake. Spooky precision, admirable humanity.
Purity of arms
I guess I should support purity of arms, but I'd like to see this precision bombing also used to take out more leaders of Hamas as well as more of their enablers around the world.
The people who fund and proselytize for jihadist killers are also guilty. I won't say whom exactly I'm talking about, but they know who they are.
| 792 |
faraway Wed, Jan 14, 2009 9:09:51pm |
re: #788 Dark_Falcon
I wish they could adopt an orphan from
GazaManhattan. Take child out of that hellhole and teach him or her something other than nihilism and hatred.
| 793 |
fmfnavydoc Wed, Jan 14, 2009 9:10:19pm |
re: #787 avanti
Silly is it not to have feeling for some servo's and tin. I feel the same way about the cars I restore, I name the things and swear they all have a personality. I won't even mention choking up in spots while watching the movie Wally.:)
Just watched WallE last week...thought is was great...him and Eve...
BIG booms in the background...wow...must be pretty close to the areae of the camera....
| 794 |
Wishing Wed, Jan 14, 2009 9:10:43pm |
re: #775 Joo-LiZ
AHH! LOL.... Definitely not the video I wanted to post (someone else just sent that to me :p)
It's the video the CJC compiled of evidence of incitement. They are using that to make their case.
Better *phew*
If you actually listen to what the hamas supporters are saying, rather than read the caption, they are NOT saying death to Israel: they are actually saying Death to Jews.
It isn't about the Land: it is about the people.
| 795 |
x-wing Wed, Jan 14, 2009 9:11:02pm |
OK where did those BOOMS land? Is Achmed even trying to keep up.
| 796 |
jaunte Wed, Jan 14, 2009 9:11:03pm |
re: #786 slokat
I think so.
Here's a strange one. I did a search on "al aqsa news services gaza city"
in google maps, and the first thing that popped up was The Carter Center, 453 Freedom Pkwy NE, Atlanta, GA.
| 797 |
Dark_Falcon Wed, Jan 14, 2009 9:11:15pm |
re: #785 Dustyvet
Nah, accidental discharge the twit don't know how to put the weapon on safe, and I really hope that the weapon was pointed down range...BANG...ummm sorry about that Achmed...Oh that's going to leave a mark...:)
i like the image of an Israeli sniper terminating a terrorist better. One shot, one kill. Snipers are quite useful in an urban battle. With the fighting moving into Gaza City, they offer the IDF further options for precision elimination of terrorists.
| 798 |
realwest Wed, Jan 14, 2009 9:11:44pm |
re: #756 Iron Fist Hey Fist!
Hamas TARGETS women and Children in effin' Pizza Parlors - absolutely no military value at all except to kill some evil Jews.
And it is Hamas that uses women and children as shields, literally. They just don't value life (except the higher up the Hamas command you go, the less likely that they are willing to be martyrs for Allah).
| 799 |
newsjunkie_ky Wed, Jan 14, 2009 9:12:00pm |
re: #778 mikeymom
mikey will work for a little tuna in the am, and a few fresh shrimp at night! not too spoiled/
I could probably swing that. lol
| 800 |
fmfnavydoc Wed, Jan 14, 2009 9:12:15pm |
Emergency vehicles passed by...Hamas must be rushing reinforcements to the fighting....
Someone was talking about Hamas' tactics...I'd think that they would be using the same that the Russians used at Stalingrad, fighing like rats from every hole in the ground...
| 801 |
Wishing Wed, Jan 14, 2009 9:12:48pm |
re: #793 fmfnavydoc
Just watched WallE last week...thought is was great...him and Eve...
BIG booms in the background...wow...must be pretty close to the areae of the camera....
You liked WallE?
I was horrified by it: I never thought I would live to see such propaganda accepted as GOOD ART, for pete's sake!
I have over-weight friends, and I was offended for them.
| 802 |
Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, Jan 14, 2009 9:12:57pm |
Hello Night Lizards! It's Frikking Cold &trade: in Near Iowa tonite.
RIP Ricardo. I hope he had landed somewhere with Corinthian Leather and no pain. (and he doesn't have to hear any roosters!)
How are you-all tonite and what are we talking about?
| 803 |
Syrah Wed, Jan 14, 2009 9:13:10pm |
re: #795 x-wing
OK where did those BOOMS land? Is Achmed even trying to keep up.
I think that Achmed is trying hard not to become a statistic.
| 804 |
Render Wed, Jan 14, 2009 9:13:36pm |
Before I left I thought I saw M-109's direct firing off the south end of Merkava Ridge in a southwesterly direction.
Whatever it was had a huge horizontal fireball, flat trajectory, and was way bigger then the Merkava's 120mm main gun. It fired several rounds and then the feed dropped.
pardon me - 2000lbers - three of them.
===
All the HAMAS assholes have to do to end the suffering of this city and its people is surrender unconditionally, to lay down their arms. They could have done so at any time, and probably still could.
===
Another trio of 2000lbers.
WHOSE
HANDS?,
R
| 805 |
newsjunkie_ky Wed, Jan 14, 2009 9:13:45pm |
re: #789 realwest
How's the tooth? Keep warm.
Babysitting the Granddaughter in the AM so better get some sleep.
Later Lizards.
| 806 |
karmic_inquisitor Wed, Jan 14, 2009 9:13:52pm |
So is there a special name for Jewish Moonbats?
Jewish activists block access to Israeli Consulate in Los Angeles
Members of the International Jewish Anti-Zionist Network chained themselves together to block access to the building that houses the Israeli consulate general in an act of civil disobedience this morning in Los Angeles.
Hannah Howard, a spokeswoman for the group told the LA Times that they were demanding an end to the military action in Gaza.
“Jews will not allow the violence that is being done in our name to continue," Howard said. "Not all Jews are united in support of Israel. We [also] recognized the humanitarian crisis in Palestine.”
While eight demonstrators chained themselves to the front steps, others blocked the walkway and the driveway entrance to the building. An estimated 40 or 60 other protesters gathered with signs in front of the building. One of the signs read: "The Israeli consulate has been closed for war crimes."
"We are shocked and outraged at Israeli's latest act of violent aggression against the Palestinian people,” Howard said in a written statement. “Killing over 950 people, including 250 women and children, bombing schools and mosques and then calling it self-defense—that is the worst kind of hypocrisy. It also amounts to war crimes. We are shutting down the Israeli consulate today because as Jewish people we cannot allow business as usual while violence is being done in our name. This is a direct betrayal of our Jewish tradition of social justice."
| 807 |
realwest Wed, Jan 14, 2009 9:14:00pm |
re: #761 mikeymom
Thanks {mikeymom} - it was, ah, close. But it's over now and I'm gonna try to stop taking pills by rote - keep on schedule but inspect each pill more carefully.
And never mind ole' Walter - you keep your butt warm, that's what counts! LOL!
| 808 |
faraway Wed, Jan 14, 2009 9:14:14pm |
re: #801 Wishing
You liked WallE?
I was horrified by it: I never thought I would live to see such propaganda accepted as GOOD ART, for pete's sake!
I have over-weight friends, and I was offended for them.
They will be taking our fat kids away from us next.
| 810 |
Dustyvet Wed, Jan 14, 2009 9:14:44pm |
re: #797 Dark_Falcon
i like the image of an Israeli sniper terminating a terrorist better. One shot, one kill. Snipers are quite useful in an urban battle. With the fighting moving into Gaza City, they offer the IDF further options for precision elimination of terrorists.
True, I was reliving an incident on an Army Firing Range, our unit Box Of Rocks discharged a .45 round into his firing partners left thigh.
| 811 |
fmfnavydoc Wed, Jan 14, 2009 9:14:57pm |
re: #801 Wishing
You liked WallE?
I was horrified by it: I never thought I would live to see such propaganda accepted as GOOD ART, for pete's sake!
I have over-weight friends, and I was offended for them.
I liked the animation...the message about the environment and the people on the shit was over the top...could have been done differently...the story about Wall E and Eve was cute...
| 813 |
Ward Cleaver Wed, Jan 14, 2009 9:15:34pm |
| 814 |
realwest Wed, Jan 14, 2009 9:16:00pm |
re: #772 Racer X
Yeah, I'm ok now, thanks. I was just stupid and almost paid for that stupidity.
How are you doing? Say are folks watching that cam again and is it showing anything?
| 815 |
Alberta Oil Peon Wed, Jan 14, 2009 9:16:04pm |
Uh-oh! Fresh cloud of black smoke coming from off-camera left. Maybe Gaza, being backward, has a Diesel-burning Sun, unlike the modern fusion-powered one we use.
| 818 |
lifeofthemind Wed, Jan 14, 2009 9:16:24pm |
| 819 |
Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, Jan 14, 2009 9:16:38pm |
Richardo was right up there with Sean Connery in the Sexiest Men on the Planet category.
hmmmmmm!
| 820 |
x-wing Wed, Jan 14, 2009 9:17:29pm |
re: #803 Syrah
I think that Achmed is trying hard not to become a statistic.
I shouldn't be so hard on him,because if we lose him..but he needs to start following the bouncing rounds ;>}
| 821 |
Wishing Wed, Jan 14, 2009 9:17:42pm |
| 822 |
lifeofthemind Wed, Jan 14, 2009 9:17:48pm |
re: #806 karmic_inquisitor
So is there a special name for Jewish Moonbats?
Jewish activists block access to Israeli Consulate in Los Angeles
Scum
| 823 |
karmic_inquisitor Wed, Jan 14, 2009 9:17:52pm |
| 825 |
Syrah Wed, Jan 14, 2009 9:19:05pm |
re: #820 x-wing
I shouldn't be so hard on him,because if we lose him..but he needs to start following the bouncing rounds ;>}
Its too bad he doesn't have a camera that he can control with a remote.
| 826 |
realwest Wed, Jan 14, 2009 9:20:16pm |
re: #783 Wishing
Yep, just got it from x-wing, thanks a lot though!
| 829 |
Wishing Wed, Jan 14, 2009 9:21:22pm |
Great artists from around the world.
Great song, well done. link
| 830 |
Promethea Wed, Jan 14, 2009 9:21:51pm |
re: #191 The Shadow Do
I think it is admirable, in fact imperative, that America and Israel conduct warfare in a moral manner. This video is but one of hundreds if not thousands of acts to date that speak clearly to this.
But how moral is it to permit your foe to survive? How moral is it to do the right thing tactically but not strategically? Why is Haniyah and the rest of the leadership permitted to survive the current action when we all know that when the shooting stops it is only temporary?
There should be a thunder run to the hospital and other hiding holes and the net result should be hauling out their sorry asses, dead or alive, by their beards. Yes that would mean bringing massive firepower to bear and there would certainly be innocents killed.
If that results in the terrorists blowing the hospital, etc. then that will be what happens. The denouement is the destruction of the enemy and that, it seems to me, is moral indeed. For all parties. No less moral than Hiroshima and that was a moral act from where I sit.
I'm with you. Captain Kirk also agreed when he told the nicey nicey planets that they were going to have to fight real wars or else have a real peace. The nicey nicey kind of fighting seems to make the whole thing last longer.
| 831 |
jaunte Wed, Jan 14, 2009 9:21:53pm |
re: #818 lifeofthemind
Nice connection from Steyn:
[Sayyid Qutb, the intellectual heavyweight of the Muslim Brotherhood] ..."had the misfortune to be invited to a dance one weekend and was horrified at what he witnessed:
'The room convulsed with the feverish music from the gramophone. Dancing naked legs filled the hall, arms draped around the waists, chests met chests, lips met lips . . .'
Where was this den of debauchery? Studio 54 in the 1970s? Haight-Ashbury in the summer of love? No, the throbbing pulsating sewer of sin was Greeley, Colorado, in 1949. As it happens, Greeley, Colorado, in 1949 was a dry town. The dance was a church social. And the feverish music was "Baby, It's Cold Outside," written by Frank Loesser and sung by Esther Williams and Ricardo Montalban in the film "Neptune's Daughter."
Why do they hate us? Esther Williams and Ricardo Montalban."
| 832 |
Render Wed, Jan 14, 2009 9:22:40pm |
If I'm right this view is looking at the southwestern tip of Gaza City, not far from the beach.
MAYBE,
R
| 833 |
Dustyvet Wed, Jan 14, 2009 9:23:03pm |
| 834 |
Promethea Wed, Jan 14, 2009 9:23:36pm |
Re my #830 above, I hope President Bush told the Saudis and other perps of 9/11 if that if there were any more attacks on American cities, Mecca, Medina, and Jiddah would be obliterated.
That's my hope.
| 836 |
MandyManners Wed, Jan 14, 2009 9:24:12pm |
re: #781 Kosh's Shadow
If we're talking about Gazan kids, they've been brainwashed so their hopes are to kill Jews.
Those hopes should be gone.
Every child in Gaza?! Every single soul?
You are WRONG
Shame on you. Shame. Shame. Shame.
SHAME.
I'm done.
Ismail Haniyeh: I'd hate to have your soul.
| 837 |
x-wing Wed, Jan 14, 2009 9:24:13pm |
re: #825 Syrah
Its too bad he doesn't have a camera that he can control with a remote.
So true ,but now he needs to do his job. See all that smoke on the top left. What's going on over there.
| 838 |
Alberta Oil Peon Wed, Jan 14, 2009 9:24:29pm |
Quite a flurry of automatic weapons fire, and still more smoke from the east.
| 839 |
faraway Wed, Jan 14, 2009 9:25:05pm |
| 840 |
spirochete Wed, Jan 14, 2009 9:25:08pm |
re: #834 Promethea
Re my #830 above, I hope President Bush told the Saudis and other perps of 9/11 if that if there were any more attacks on American cities, Mecca, Medina, and Jiddah would be obliterated.
That's my hope.
It's my understanding that if there were a nuclear attack, then that would be the response. And they know it.
Of course, I don't have any link directly to the top.
| 841 |
Dark_Falcon Wed, Jan 14, 2009 9:25:21pm |
re: #818 lifeofthemind
Good things from The Corner
Mark Steyn on Ricardo Montalban
[Video]
Good writing from Steyn as always. His tie-in of Sayyib Qutb was especially good, and to me is exhibit A as to why Islamists will never let us have peace: Qutb got crazed with anger over a church dance that Bob Jones Jr. would not have had a problem with.
| 843 |
Wishing Wed, Jan 14, 2009 9:25:45pm |
re: #838 Alberta Oil Peon
Quite a flurry of automatic weapons fire, and still more smoke from the east.
I think we are looking south and the Mediterranean is to our left, as we view the vid.
| 845 |
Racer X Wed, Jan 14, 2009 9:25:56pm |
re: #806 karmic_inquisitor
Unreal.
Your enemy has in it's charter a call for your total destruction. They attempt that annihilation every chance they get. Their leaders call for ANY Jew to be killed, whenever and wherever they are found. Women, children, all fair game.
And these are the people that the "International Jewish Anti-Zionist Network" are supporting?
| 846 |
fmfnavydoc Wed, Jan 14, 2009 9:26:12pm |
re: #830 Promethea
I'm with you. Captain Kirk also agreed when he told the nicey nicey planets that they were going to have to fight real wars or else have a real peace. The nicey nicey kind of fighting seems to make the whole thing last longer.
I would hope, after watching the videos above, that the people that were targeted by the IAF, but had the missiles diverted away from them and innocents would have had an epiphany and maybe decided to go into hiding...away from others...or the people that would have been killed decided to hightail it away from the "target"....
Lot of heavy smoke now....
| 847 |
Pietr Wed, Jan 14, 2009 9:26:57pm |
That's one hell of a lot of smoke coming from left to right-why not pan over Achmed? We know you're reading this, pan the cam.....Sheesh.
| 848 |
Syrah Wed, Jan 14, 2009 9:27:08pm |
re: #837 x-wing
So true ,but now he needs to do his job. See all that smoke on the top left. What's going on over there.
It looks serious.
I too wish Achmed would steal up the nerve to adjust the camera.
Black smoke means oils or tars.
| 849 |
Kragar Wed, Jan 14, 2009 9:27:24pm |
re: #838 Alberta Oil Peon
Quite a flurry of automatic weapons fire, and still more smoke from the east.
So I'm guessing that when Hamas said they agree to the Eygptian ceasefire (which basically just meant a return to last month) Israel said "Thats nice."
| 850 |
spirochete Wed, Jan 14, 2009 9:27:41pm |
re: #836 MandyManners
Every child in Gaza?! Every single soul?
You are WRONG
Shame on you. Shame. Shame. Shame.
SHAME.
I'm done.
Ismail Haniyeh: I'd hate to have your soul.
Mandy, this is one of the most important reasons i think we should be all over the middle east. A lot of those children, as well as their parents, will see how christian values are different than what they are growing up with. It may take 100 years, but overtime, I think the good of our value system will overcome the evil of theirs. That Bush started this whole process in earnest will be his greatest legacy.
| 851 |
x-wing Wed, Jan 14, 2009 9:28:28pm |
Is that the generator running or is it a truck?
| 852 |
NY Nana Wed, Jan 14, 2009 9:29:25pm |
| 853 |
Wishing Wed, Jan 14, 2009 9:29:38pm |
Those sound like secondary explosions...maybe they found the motherlode.
| 854 |
Alberta Oil Peon Wed, Jan 14, 2009 9:29:59pm |
re: #843 Wishing
I think we are looking south and the Mediterranean is to our left, as we view the vid.
If you were in Gaza, and looking South, the Med would have to be on your right.
| 856 |
faraway Wed, Jan 14, 2009 9:30:54pm |
That smoke you see is Iranian rockets turned to gas
| 857 |
avanti Wed, Jan 14, 2009 9:30:57pm |
re: #846 fmfnavydoc
I would hope, after watching the videos above, that the people that were targeted by the IAF, but had the missiles diverted away from them and innocents would have had an epiphany and maybe decided to go into hiding...away from others...or the people that would have been killed decided to hightail it away from the "target"....
Lot of heavy smoke now....
Even when the Israelis blew up the King David hotel to drive the British out, they tried to warn them, and the British military was head quartered there. I can understand desperate people using desperate tactics, but civilized people try and limit the death of innocents even at a risk of prolonging the conflict. The Israelis are trying their best to be civilized even if the enemy is not..
| 858 |
Wishing Wed, Jan 14, 2009 9:31:06pm |
re: #854 Alberta Oil Peon
If you were in Gaza, and looking South, the Med would have to be on your right.
Prevailing wind is West to east...so we are looking north?
| 859 |
Syrah Wed, Jan 14, 2009 9:31:09pm |
re: #847 Pietr
That's one hell of a lot of smoke coming from left to right-why not pan over Achmed? We know you're reading this, pan the cam.....Sheesh.
Machine translations suck but here goes.
يرجى نقطة الكاميرا على مصدر الدخان.
(Please point the camera at the source of the smoke.)
| 860 |
x-wing Wed, Jan 14, 2009 9:31:28pm |
Boom , adjustment on camera 4 please. A little to the left would be peachy.
| 861 |
Bill K. Wed, Jan 14, 2009 9:31:28pm |
Is this video presented as some sort of virtuous act by the IDF? Because it certainly is nothing of the kind. This among the worst sort of vices a free country can commit in a war.
How many Israeli lives did this act of so called "mercy" cost? What was in these Hamas vehicles? Rockets, mortars or Hamas head honchos? Sacrificing the life of even a single Israeli to save Palestinians should be absolutely out of the question for the IDF.
This sort of moral preening by the IDF is despicable. The first and only task for the military of a free nation is to protect the lives of its own citizens at a minimum cost to its military. It does this by eliminating the threat to its own citizens as ruthlessly and expeditiously as possible. If there is a target of value amongst the enemy population, the only moral course is to destroy the target. Any deaths among the population is solely the fault of the enemy forces.
| 862 |
Wishing Wed, Jan 14, 2009 9:31:43pm |
re: #859 Syrah
Machine translations suck but here goes.
يرجى نقطة الكامي&# x0631;ا على مصدر الدخان.
(Please point the camera at the source of the smoke.)
Many updings from me!
Noble effort!
| 863 |
realwest Wed, Jan 14, 2009 9:31:47pm |
re: #802 ggt Hey ggt! We're mostly talking about the fightin in Gaza. How are you tonight, besides cold, I mean?
| 864 |
karmic_inquisitor Wed, Jan 14, 2009 9:31:59pm |
re: #847 Pietr
That's one hell of a lot of smoke coming from left to right-why not pan over Achmed? We know you're reading this, pan the cam.....Sheesh.
Perhaps the Rooster is the camera operator. Maybe Ahmed IS the Rooster.
| 865 |
fmfnavydoc Wed, Jan 14, 2009 9:32:00pm |
Memo to Achmed the camera guy...
Stop messing with the goat...pan the camera to the left....then you can go back to your wife....
| 867 |
WindHorse Wed, Jan 14, 2009 9:32:18pm |
re: #858 Wishing
.... i don't think so.... the rising sun is on the left side of the buildings.
....looking South-ish.
| 868 |
slokat Wed, Jan 14, 2009 9:32:24pm |
if you back the map linked above - out two clicks you get a good overview of the area...
| 870 |
x-wing Wed, Jan 14, 2009 9:33:08pm |
| 871 |
lifeofthemind Wed, Jan 14, 2009 9:33:09pm |
All I see is a few lights and smoke the camera just moved!
| 872 |
Wishing Wed, Jan 14, 2009 9:33:20pm |
Ouch! I think I just got hit with shrapnel!
That was CLOSE!
| 873 |
teddy_r Wed, Jan 14, 2009 9:33:21pm |
Achmed probably wouldn't be with us very long if his camera became the forward observer for the IDF.
| 875 |
spirochete Wed, Jan 14, 2009 9:33:23pm |
Hey- that black smoke-it says "Allah warned you"
| 876 |
Killian Bundy Wed, Jan 14, 2009 9:33:32pm |
Man, this new solo Hannity program is el lameo.
/if tonight's "Great American Panel" participants insist on touching each other again, that's it for me
| 877 |
realwest Wed, Jan 14, 2009 9:33:35pm |
re: #806 karmic_inquisitor
"is there a special name for Jewish Moonbats?" I can think of two off the top of my head: delusional and suicidal.
| 879 |
SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Jan 14, 2009 9:34:06pm |
re: #806 karmic_inquisitor
So is there a special name for Jewish Moonbats?
Jewish activists block access to Israeli Consulate in Los Angeles
"The protesters said they proved today that it is “safe” to speak out against the Israeli government’s actions. "
I've spoken out against all kind of Israeli government actions for years, and have never given a moment's thought to it being 'safe' or not. Worst thing that ever happened was that some guy told me I was a traitor to the Jewish people, but it was over the Internet, and I didn't think he was real bright anyway.
Why do people like this talk as though there's some kind of penalty for criticizing Israel beyond other people disagreeing with you? Like it takes guts?
| 880 |
fmfnavydoc Wed, Jan 14, 2009 9:34:09pm |
Holy...big explosion...more HMG fire...would love to see some real-time info from the IDF on where they area (I know..OPSEC...)
| 882 |
Dustyvet Wed, Jan 14, 2009 9:34:37pm |
re: #877 realwest
"is there a special name for Jewish Moonbats?" I can think of two off the top of my head: delusional and suicidal.
Biting lip and keeping quiet...:)
| 883 |
Digital Display Wed, Jan 14, 2009 9:34:38pm |
re: #863 realwest
Hey ggt! We're mostly talking about the fightin in Gaza. How are you tonight, besides cold, I mean?
Hey RW..just got home from work..an 18 hr. day...Gonna drink a beer and hit the sack
| 884 |
Render Wed, Jan 14, 2009 9:35:16pm |
It's very possible that there is major action coming from the East that we can't see. Achmeds camera has filters, but still can't look directly into the sun.
We are definitely seeing major actions from the South and Southwest.
Only Northern front seems quiet, and that only because we haven't seen that view in almost an hour.
We're hearing one and two thousand pound bombs in singles, pairs, and triples on a fairly regular basis now. That almost guarantees they are precision weapons rather then unguided dumb bombs.
Israel is using up a lot of very expensive ordinance at a very rapid rate.
I hope they've got a large reserve stockpile of their own and not just a promise of replacement sometime soon.
The small arms fire is almost constant.
FINISH THIS
HERE AND NOW,
R
| 886 |
pat Wed, Jan 14, 2009 9:35:39pm |
I would have put the first one down the cave. I would have taken the second shot.
I bet Hamas has the same thoughts every time a GAD directs towards a school.
The sentiment is wasted.
| 890 |
fmfnavydoc Wed, Jan 14, 2009 9:36:43pm |
He must have seem my post...IDF hit something big...maybe a fuel or ammo cache...
| 891 |
mikeymom Wed, Jan 14, 2009 9:37:01pm |
i hope we get a new thread soon--anything over 800 cause me not to be able to scroll or get new comments for about 5 minutes--damn those booms make me jump!
| 892 |
Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, Jan 14, 2009 9:37:19pm |
re: #850 spirochete
Mandy, this is one of the most important reasons i think we should be all over the middle east. A lot of those children, as well as their parents, will see how christian values are different than what they are growing up with. It may take 100 years, but overtime, I think the good of our value system will overcome the evil of theirs. That Bush started this whole process in earnest will be his greatest legacy.
President Bush said that he believes (paraphrasing) that liberty lives in every human soul. That, I believe, is a correct viewpoint. It will take 100 years of Western Values to change the mindset of some of the people over there. I believe that our current course of action is the only way to stop the sale of children from Afrika, of the Eastern European girls to the Middle East and the use of children as sex slaves. All of which seem to happen in countries where Islam flourishes.
I don't think that trying to spread "Christian" values in this regard is any different from trying to spread "Humanistic" or "Western" values.
| 893 |
x-wing Wed, Jan 14, 2009 9:37:23pm |
re: #878 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Whats the link for tonights Gazacam?
It's Roostercam
[Link: switch434-01.castup.net...]
| 894 |
Alberta Oil Peon Wed, Jan 14, 2009 9:37:36pm |
re: #858 Wishing
Prevailing wind is West to east...so we are looking north?
Well, I'm seeing buildings illuminated by a low morning Sun, so that light is coming from the East. To see the "left" side of buildings sunlit like that means we are looking generally South.
Heh! Achmed panned the camera to the source of the smoke.
I think the smoke plume is moving westerly or northwesterly.
And Gaza is on the eastern shore of the Mediterranean Sea. So one would look West to look seaward.
| 895 |
BlueCanuck Wed, Jan 14, 2009 9:38:11pm |
re: #857 avanti
Not often I agree with you, but when you get it right, you get it right. The jewish peoples fight for their homeland, and try to remember their souls. Hamas has forgotten what their souls were to begin with.
| 896 |
Render Wed, Jan 14, 2009 9:38:13pm |
re: #880 fmfnavydoc
I'm getting as close as I dare. Probably too close. There is a lot I'm not talking about...
REALLY,
R
| 898 |
Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, Jan 14, 2009 9:38:34pm |
re: #863 realwest
Hey ggt! We're mostly talking about the fightin in Gaza. How are you tonight, besides cold, I mean?
Mostly just cold, Thanks for askin'.
You?
| 901 |
Pietr Wed, Jan 14, 2009 9:39:30pm |
re: #859 Syrah
Machine translations suck but here goes.
يرجى نقطة الكامير& #1575; على مصدر الدخان.
(Please point the camera at the source of the smoke.)
Thank you-apparently Achmed doesn't speak english, and he wouldn't let the rooster translate-but he got the message.
| 902 |
Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, Jan 14, 2009 9:39:33pm |
re: #877 realwest
"is there a special name for Jewish Moonbats?" I can think of two off the top of my head: delusional and suicidal.
I think the technical term is "self-hating jew".
| 903 |
pat Wed, Jan 14, 2009 9:39:50pm |
re: #884 Render
The penetrators are on loan. Remember. A ship load about a year ago. 2nd generation stuff. I think the intel is coming in faster or they drove the rats to the deep dens already known.
| 909 |
Dark_Falcon Wed, Jan 14, 2009 9:40:44pm |
re: #861 Bill K.
In a properly run world, I'd agree with you. However, western nations have to deal with an international MSM that wield too much influence to be ignored. Israel's caution about their targeting is necessary to give the IDF enough breathing room to carry out the operation. The sort of attack you suggest would get called off within 48 hours, due internal pressure if nothing else.
| 911 |
lifeofthemind Wed, Jan 14, 2009 9:40:56pm |
re: #897 Syrah
Is that the penthouse that is burning?
Save the Pets? Hamas pets are?
Run Rooster Run!
| 913 |
Kragar Wed, Jan 14, 2009 9:41:23pm |
| 914 |
MJ Wed, Jan 14, 2009 9:41:26pm |
Maybe Israel hit the Palestinian Plasma TV warehouse in order to gain the favor of the Europeans?
On the Heels of a Bulb Ban, Europe Mulls Pulling the Plug on Large Plasma TVs
[Link: greeninc.blogs.nytimes.com...]
| 915 |
Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, Jan 14, 2009 9:41:43pm |
| 916 |
Stonemason Wed, Jan 14, 2009 9:41:49pm |
re: #892 ggt
Careful with the eastern brush with the sex-slaves...there are many hispanic women sold every day right here in America
None of it is right, but to ignore it anywhere, or to try localize it to a certain them is dangerous
| 919 |
Pietr Wed, Jan 14, 2009 9:42:23pm |
re: #895 BlueCanuck
Not often I agree with you, but when you get it right, you get it right. The jewish peoples fight for their homeland, and try to remember their souls. Hamas has forgotten what their souls were to begin with.
Up Dinged both of you-and I seldom agree with avanti-and vice versa...LOL.
| 920 |
faraway Wed, Jan 14, 2009 9:42:24pm |
| 921 |
realwest Wed, Jan 14, 2009 9:42:24pm |
re: #842 Iron Fist Ah, well ya know my friend there comes a time, in a conflict like this, when unfortunately boots on the ground are gonna have to be the PRIMARY weapon of the IDF - and yes, in house-to-house combat they are no doubt going to accidentally kill innocents, but not as many as by the use of airpower, artillery and tank guns. And the IDF will take a LOT more casualties itself.
But Israel has no choice at this juncture; to protect Israeli Children - who are targetted deliberately by the Hamas "fighters" the IDF will simply have to do it with boots on the ground.
| 922 |
Kragar Wed, Jan 14, 2009 9:42:29pm |
re: #912 Dustyvet
Rangel to reintroduce military draft measure
THOSE DAMN REPUBLICANS ARE GOING TO REINSTATE THE DRAFT!
Oh wait, Messiah-King is running things now so its OK.
| 923 |
fmfnavydoc Wed, Jan 14, 2009 9:42:35pm |
Render,
Just checked out your blog...God Bless you and God Bless the State of Israel...
| 924 |
SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Jan 14, 2009 9:42:38pm |
re: #861 Bill K.
Is this video presented as some sort of virtuous act by the IDF? Because it certainly is nothing of the kind. This among the worst sort of vices a free country can commit in a war.
How many Israeli lives did this act of so called "mercy" cost? What was in these Hamas vehicles? Rockets, mortars or Hamas head honchos? Sacrificing the life of even a single Israeli to save Palestinians should be absolutely out of the question for the IDF.
This sort of moral preening by the IDF is despicable. The first and only task for the military of a free nation is to protect the lives of its own citizens at a minimum cost to its military. It does this by eliminating the threat to its own citizens as ruthlessly and expeditiously as possible. If there is a target of value amongst the enemy population, the only moral course is to destroy the target. Any deaths among the population is solely the fault of the enemy forces.
Bill, you don't know what was in those vehicles, neither do I, and the IDF actually may. Making blanket statements like this when you don't have the info does no good.
Israel has a tough cost analysis to do here. They've been playing tough cost analysis for sixty years and they are very, very good at it. I tend to give them the benefit of the doubt.
| 926 |
lifeofthemind Wed, Jan 14, 2009 9:43:21pm |
re: #918 faraway
Does a rooster get in a fox hole?
Producing a self operated intelligent feather duster that steals its own breakfast?
| 927 |
Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, Jan 14, 2009 9:43:49pm |
re: #916 Stonemason
Careful with the eastern brush with the sex-slaves...there are many hispanic women sold every day right here in America
None of it is right, but to ignore it anywhere, or to try localize it to a certain them is dangerous
I agree, yet, here it is a crime and is prosecuted. We do not "segregate" certain human beings as fair game.
| 930 |
pat Wed, Jan 14, 2009 9:44:19pm |
re: #916 Stonemason
Careful with the eastern brush with the sex-slaves...there are many hispanic women sold every day right here in America
None of it is right, but to ignore it anywhere, or to try localize it to a certain them is dangerous
And Europe has a sex slave operation that dwarfs America. Wink and a nod from many politicos. So long as the girls are from the Eastern bloc.
| 934 |
avanti Wed, Jan 14, 2009 9:45:03pm |
re: #895 BlueCanuck
Not often I agree with you, but when you get it right, you get it right. The jewish peoples fight for their homeland, and try to remember their souls. Hamas has forgotten what their souls were to begin with.
The agreement on that topic is what makes us Americans. If we sink to the values of Hamas, we cease to be Americans.
Holy crap, lots of war going on just now.
| 935 |
x-wing Wed, Jan 14, 2009 9:45:28pm |
It looks like the party just got kicked up about a gagillion notches. Holey hell, it's hitting the fan now.
| 936 |
efuseakay Wed, Jan 14, 2009 9:45:36pm |
Busy busy today... ack! That last huuuuge one scared the heck outta me!
| 937 |
lifeofthemind Wed, Jan 14, 2009 9:45:40pm |
| 938 |
fmfnavydoc Wed, Jan 14, 2009 9:45:45pm |
White smoke to the South West...BIG BOOM! Camera earlier was trying to show a some sort of aircraft....maybe a helo doing some spotting for the IDF on the ground...more BIG BOOMS....
| 939 |
MJ Wed, Jan 14, 2009 9:45:50pm |
Hamas sure appears to be headed toward a great victory all right.
| 941 |
Digital Display Wed, Jan 14, 2009 9:46:11pm |
Whoa..there are alot bad guys that are not very happy right now
| 942 |
Dark_Falcon Wed, Jan 14, 2009 9:46:20pm |
re: #922 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
THOSE DAMN REPUBLICANS ARE GOING TO REINSTATE THE DRAFT!
Oh wait, Messiah-King is running things now so its OK.
Thankfully, the bill will again go nowhere.
| 943 |
Kragar Wed, Jan 14, 2009 9:46:26pm |
Gee, why pan over to where all the sounds are coming from? Watching random smoke plumes is sooooo much more informative.
| 944 |
spirochete Wed, Jan 14, 2009 9:46:59pm |
re: #933 Iron Fist
I liked Ann Coulter's take on this on 9-12-01. She lost her job for simply saying the unpleasant truth. I, myself, thought that Ann was being mild. I wanted to do the 21st Century Carthage thing with Afghanistan. One thing is certain. If we'd have done what I wanted, Afghanistan wouldn't be producing a huge chunk of the world's herion production.
The other day at work (i am way outnumbered by moonbats) the question came up about how different the middle east would be if Gore had won the election. I said "Yeah, we'd still be negotiating our surrender terms with the Taliban"
Wasn't quite the answer they were looking for.
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BlueCanuck Wed, Jan 14, 2009 9:47:00pm |
| 946 |
realwest Wed, Jan 14, 2009 9:47:16pm |
re: #882 Dustyvet
Why are you biting your lip? Say what you want to!
| 947 |
Digital Display Wed, Jan 14, 2009 9:47:44pm |
| 948 |
Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, Jan 14, 2009 9:47:55pm |
re: #933 Iron Fist
I liked Ann Coulter's take on this on 9-12-01. She lost her job for simply saying the unpleasant truth. I, myself, thought that Ann was being mild. I wanted to do the 21st Century Carthage thing with Afghanistan. One thing is certain. If we'd have done what I wanted, Afghanistan wouldn't be producing a huge chunk of the world's herion production.
Changing Hearts and Minds ™ is the only way to create permanent change in the region.
I don't get the continuance of the heroin production --my instinct says to "follow the money". Poppy seeds can/are sold for legitimate purposes --there is a large world wide market, but the cash isn't the same as for heroin.
| 949 |
realwest Wed, Jan 14, 2009 9:48:15pm |
re: #883 HoosierHoops
Hey Hoops - sounds like a plan! Hope you're well, even if tired!
| 950 |
Racer X Wed, Jan 14, 2009 9:48:20pm |
Those Hamassholes are sure showing them Jews what-for today, eh?
BOOM!
[not a kassam]
| 951 |
Stonemason Wed, Jan 14, 2009 9:48:22pm |
re: #927 ggt
True...just a pet peeve of mine, all these mcmansion liberals support that sh@# indirectly by using the labor on the lawn
/vicious circle
| 952 |
Neo Con since 9-11 Wed, Jan 14, 2009 9:48:37pm |
re: #861 Bill K.
What you are suggesting is fighting stupid and brutal, the barbarian way. The Israelis are fighting smart and efficient, that beats the barbarian 9 times out of ten.
| 953 |
x-wing Wed, Jan 14, 2009 9:48:40pm |
re: #917 lifeofthemind
I am hearing nothing on my feed
Try this. Man it's getting hot.
[Link: switch434-01.castup.net...]
| 954 |
Kragar Wed, Jan 14, 2009 9:48:43pm |
Other roostercam is working, actually panning to explosions, just saw something go up
[Link: switch3.castup.net...]
| 955 |
Dustyvet Wed, Jan 14, 2009 9:48:45pm |
re: #946 realwest
Why are you biting your lip? Say what you want to!
Now you've done it. I stuck in a senior moment...:)
| 956 |
SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Jan 14, 2009 9:48:51pm |
re: #927 ggt
I agree, yet, here it is a crime and is prosecuted. We do not "segregate" certain human beings as fair game.
I don't know that I agree. There is very, very little prosecution of sex traffickers in the U.S.
Now if I ran the world, we'd arrest their asses, give them a fair trial, and then raise money to deal with their victim's immigration and resettlement costs by raffling off places in the firing squad. I'd buy a few tickets, and I've never pointed a gun at anything with a pulse.
| 957 |
Abu Al-Poopypants Wed, Jan 14, 2009 9:48:55pm |
Is everyone only getting right channel audio?
Kind of annoying.
| 958 |
Render Wed, Jan 14, 2009 9:49:09pm |
This is not going to be the normal morning rush hour in Gaza City...
===
re: #861 Bill K.
That is how the IDF has always fought. Always. David Ben-Gurion said so.
ALWAYS,
R
| 959 |
avanti Wed, Jan 14, 2009 9:50:02pm |
re: #919 Pietr
Up Dinged both of you-and I seldom agree with avanti-and vice versa...LOL.
Someone once said, "We can disagree without being disagreeable. :)
| 960 |
Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, Jan 14, 2009 9:50:03pm |
re: #942 Dark_Falcon
Thankfully, the bill will again go nowhere.
Rangel has been spewing about this for years now. While I agree that military service would do wonders for many of the young men and women in our country, that is not the reason for a draft.
I hope we don't reach the point in which we really need the draft.
| 961 |
Pietr Wed, Jan 14, 2009 9:50:48pm |
Wow-apparently Achmed reads LGF, as I thought. Gaza Cam is focusing on the actual hits/conflict areas for now....
| 962 |
efuseakay Wed, Jan 14, 2009 9:50:53pm |
re: #957 Abu Al-Poopypants
Is everyone only getting right channel audio?
Kind of annoying.
Both channels for me.
| 963 |
realwest Wed, Jan 14, 2009 9:50:58pm |
re: #898 ggt Doing ok, almost accidentally O.D.'d on my pain meds today, but I'm ok now.
| 964 |
slokat Wed, Jan 14, 2009 9:51:02pm |
re: #916 Stonemason
Careful with the eastern brush with the sex-slaves...there are many hispanic women sold every day right here in America
None of it is right, but to ignore it anywhere, or to try localize it to a certain them is dangerous
To back up your point - for money beer & meat
| 965 |
Racer X Wed, Jan 14, 2009 9:51:39pm |
re: #961 Pietr
Wow-apparently Achmed reads LGF, as I thought. Gaza Cam is focusing on the actual hits/conflict areas for now....
Achmed - move the camera up and down 3x if you are reading.
| 966 |
MJ Wed, Jan 14, 2009 9:51:50pm |
Since the Palestinians in Gaza don't actually produce anything of value, I assume all those building we see are the gift of the US taxpayers and other donors?
| 968 |
Dustyvet Wed, Jan 14, 2009 9:51:59pm |
Michelle Obama's $300,000 "Job" at a Hospital Obama Got Earmarks for So Scary-Important It's Eliminated As She Departs, With No Replacement Sought
The Chicago way...
| 969 |
avanti Wed, Jan 14, 2009 9:51:59pm |
re: #945 BlueCanuck
Ummmm, check the nic. :)
/Okay, I am a North American.
Hey, you share the same values, you just talk funny.:)
| 970 |
spirochete Wed, Jan 14, 2009 9:52:09pm |
re: #962 efuseakay
Both channels for me.
I got the Gold upgrade, so mine comes in 5.1. Free installation.
| 971 |
Alberta Oil Peon Wed, Jan 14, 2009 9:52:53pm |
And another ammobulance howls its way through the concrete canyons of Gaza City.
| 972 |
BlueCanuck Wed, Jan 14, 2009 9:52:55pm |
re: #959 avanti
Someone once said, "We can disagree without being disagreeable. :)
Every group needs a devils advocate. Keeps us on our toes. Eventually we will convert you to the hive mind of the great lizards that we are.
/white smoke
| 973 |
faraway Wed, Jan 14, 2009 9:53:09pm |
re: #961 Pietr
Wow-apparently Achmed reads LGF, as I thought. Gaza Cam is focusing on the actual hits/conflict areas for now....
achmed, shake the camera up and down if you can hear me.
| 974 |
realwest Wed, Jan 14, 2009 9:53:27pm |
re: #912 DustyvetHmm, and in a Democratic Congress and with a Democrat as President. Interesting - what do you think - should we reinstitute the draft?
| 975 |
Racer X Wed, Jan 14, 2009 9:53:39pm |
re: #968 Dustyvet
Michelle Obama's $300,000 "Job" at a Hospital Obama Got Earmarks for So Scary-Important It's Eliminated As She Departs, With No Replacement Sought
The Chicago way...
That says everything right there. "No replacement sought".
| 976 |
Render Wed, Jan 14, 2009 9:54:14pm |
Achmed doesn't read English, you'll have to use the translator.
SPOCK,
R
| 977 |
BlueCanuck Wed, Jan 14, 2009 9:54:16pm |
re: #969 avanti
No I don't, I speak proper Queens English. The rest of you are the ones that talk strange. ;)
| 978 |
faraway Wed, Jan 14, 2009 9:54:29pm |
re: #965 Racer X
Achmed - move the camera up and down 3x if you are reading.
whaaaa? how did you do that?
| 979 |
Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, Jan 14, 2009 9:54:41pm |
re: #951 Stonemason
True...just a pet peeve of mine, all these mcmansion liberals support that sh@# indirectly by using the labor on the lawn
/vicious circle
Yes, you are right. What I don't understand is that the migration to and from the US from South of the Border has been going on since the Mexican American War. (I did a study of this a couple of years ago --it has really been pretty much an open border for 100+? years). Now, all the sudden, it is a problem.
Exploitation is a big issue. Unfortunately, IMHO, until we can agree on a compromise that allows a guest worker program, it isn't going to go away.
| 980 |
Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, Jan 14, 2009 9:54:58pm |
re: #963 realwest
Doing ok, almost accidentally O.D.'d on my pain meds today, but I'm ok now.
DON'T DO THAT!
| 981 |
spirochete Wed, Jan 14, 2009 9:55:51pm |
Obama wants 4 million jobs? I know a way to get them real easy. Involves a bunch of illegal aliens.
| 982 |
Pawn of the Oppressor Wed, Jan 14, 2009 9:56:05pm |
Lots of distant small arms fire on the Gaza cam... Some deep booms, distant smoke, etc. but nothing kinetic happening on-screen so far.
And yes, there are indeed roosters.
The firing sounds pretty disciplined... Badada, badada, badada... I'm guessing that's our side.
| 984 |
avanti Wed, Jan 14, 2009 9:56:46pm |
re: #972 BlueCanuck
Every group needs a devils advocate. Keeps us on our toes. Eventually we will convert you to the hive mind of the great lizards that we are.
/white smoke
Thanks for that, and it keeps me sharper too. I'm not sure you'd be treated as kindly on some of the leftie blogs, but Charles runs a terrific blog. I've been booted out of lesser blogs both left and right.
| 985 |
x-wing Wed, Jan 14, 2009 9:56:50pm |
re: #961 Pietr
Wow-apparently Achmed reads LGF, as I thought. Gaza Cam is focusing on the actual hits/conflict areas for now....
We'll have to keep that in mind. Achmed is probably on a 5 minute delay.
/is it me or are those bombs really fucking loud?
| 986 |
spirochete Wed, Jan 14, 2009 9:56:58pm |
re: #982 Pawn of the Oppressor
Lots of distant small arms fire on the Gaza cam... Some deep booms, distant smoke, etc. but nothing kinetic happening on-screen so far.
And yes, there are indeed roosters.
The firing sounds pretty disciplined... Badada, badada, badada... I'm guessing that's our side.
Israelis fire in triplets?
| 987 |
Dustyvet Wed, Jan 14, 2009 9:57:10pm |
re: #974 realwest
Hmm, and in a Democratic Congress and with a Democrat as President. Interesting - what do you think - should we reinstitute the draft?
No, I think we get the best with the all volunteer Army. Rangel's just being cute again, I think he's pulled 2 or 3 times before.
| 989 |
Abu Al-Poopypants Wed, Jan 14, 2009 9:57:27pm |
re: #970 spirochete
I got the Gold upgrade, so mine comes in 5.1. Free installation.
Don't make me come over there.
| 990 |
Pietr Wed, Jan 14, 2009 9:57:33pm |
re: #959 avanti
Someone once said, "We can disagree without being disagreeable. :)
Just so ya know-I also only down ding when I report a post....so I've never down dinged you. I've only down dinged once-the other times I got to a BAD post, it had enough down dings, that I figured it was already reported. Just the way I am.....
| 991 |
karmic_inquisitor Wed, Jan 14, 2009 9:57:36pm |
re: #971 Alberta Oil Peon
And another ammobulance howls its way through the concrete canyons of Gaza City.
Let's hope it doesn't run over the Rooster, or it will be "Coq au Van"
| 992 |
fmfnavydoc Wed, Jan 14, 2009 9:58:09pm |
Achmed pans the camera up to the sky looking for something every now and then..trying to look for the UAV/jet/helo that is dropping the heavy stuff...Hamas is getting hammered hard this AM...
| 993 |
Syrah Wed, Jan 14, 2009 9:58:35pm |
re: #963 realwest
Doing ok, almost accidentally O.D.'d on my pain meds today, but I'm ok now.
Be careful with that stuff.
Hang around for a bit. No early exits.
| 994 |
Digital Display Wed, Jan 14, 2009 9:58:35pm |
anybody hear the screams from somewhere?
| 995 |
Render Wed, Jan 14, 2009 9:58:41pm |
hmmm...
I haven't heard what the Tavor rifle sounds like. I wonder if sounds like the M-4? (Same barrel length, same caliber).
I know I'm hearing Negev SAWs now. Highest rate of fire on the battlefield.
===
Did they skip the morning call to prayer?
===
Can we get shell-shock from streaming video?
===
They must have heard Mandy, they're bringing kids into the press building now.
MESSAGE
TO
ALLAH,
R
| 996 |
spirochete Wed, Jan 14, 2009 9:58:50pm |
| 998 |
Wishing Wed, Jan 14, 2009 9:58:53pm |
Dad, NO! I won't go join Hamas! NO! We are LOSING! I don't want to die!
Sigh, if only that was what they were saying down there.....
| 999 |
Abu Al-Poopypants Wed, Jan 14, 2009 9:58:54pm |
re: #992 fmfnavydoc
Achmed pans the camera up to the sky looking for something every now and then..trying to look for the UAV/jet/helo that is dropping the heavy stuff...Hamas is getting hammered hard this AM...
He's actually managed to get what looked like a helicopter a few times.
| 1000 |
Dustyvet Wed, Jan 14, 2009 9:59:18pm |
re: #991 karmic_inquisitor
Let's hope it doesn't run over the Rooster, or it will be "Coq au Van"
A guy was coming home from work in the city, driving country roads to get home.
He looks in his rear view mirror and sees an ambulance. He pulls over and as the ambulance passes, and sees the the back door is open a little. The ambulance goes over a bump and out falls an ice chest.
The guy rushes over to the ice chest and opens it up. Inside is a human toe in the ice. He sees he can't catch the ambulance so he gets in his car and rushes to the nearest gas station to call 911. They tell him they will send a car right away but that all of their police cars are in use and to just wait 20 minutes.
So he waits 20 minutes until the toe truck shows up.
| 1002 |
x-wing Wed, Jan 14, 2009 10:00:23pm |
Geez, I can feel these bombs going off on my desk.
Rooster sounds like he's o.k.
| 1003 |
Stonemason Wed, Jan 14, 2009 10:00:34pm |
re: #979 ggt
I don't have a problem with the people, it's the illegality of it all, creates that shadow society. We do need the guest worker program, or did until the market crashed. now I am not so sure, Americans are gonna need those jobs now.
| 1004 |
fmfnavydoc Wed, Jan 14, 2009 10:00:38pm |
re: #987 Dustyvet
No, I think we get the best with the all volunteer Army. Rangel's just being cute again, I think he's pulled 2 or 3 times before.
he does this just about this time of the year...guy should be worried about paying his taxes and obeying the law, not about reinstating the draft...he's one of the Donks that I would like to see be "retired" in 2010...
| 1005 |
Promethea Wed, Jan 14, 2009 10:00:46pm |
re: #850 spirochete
Mandy, this is one of the most important reasons i think we should be all over the middle east. A lot of those children, as well as their parents, will see how christian values are different than what they are growing up with. It may take 100 years, but overtime, I think the good of our value system will overcome the evil of theirs. That Bush started this whole process in earnest will be his greatest legacy.
If I were President and all-powerful (heh, heh), I would ask Congress to fund a major effort toward spreading Judeo-Christian values throughout the Mideast. If the Buddhist, Hindu, Taoist, and Confucian voters in the U.S. objected, I would include them in this effort too. If the ACLU objected, I would tell them to go and FU.
Is not my plan just as reasonable as those we've heard about from the current and soon-to-be presidential administrations?
If not, why not?
| 1007 |
lifeofthemind Wed, Jan 14, 2009 10:01:23pm |
I would have given the responses to Islamic terror code names like Sword of St Michael or Divine Vengeance, they would have understood that, on some level they would have liked it, felt it showed respect.
| 1008 |
Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, Jan 14, 2009 10:01:23pm |
re: #956 SanFranciscoZionist
I don't know that I agree. There is very, very little prosecution of sex traffickers in the U.S.
Now if I ran the world, we'd arrest their asses, give them a fair trial, and then raise money to deal with their victim's immigration and resettlement costs by raffling off places in the firing squad. I'd buy a few tickets, and I've never pointed a gun at anything with a pulse.
I'd have to do some research to discuss this more. I haven't a clue as to the laws involved and the prosecution rate. I'd like to know the statistics compared with other countries.
| 1009 |
fmfnavydoc Wed, Jan 14, 2009 10:02:44pm |
re: #1006 faraway
Don't torture my rooster
DON'T CHOKE THE CHICKEN...YOU'LL GO BLIND IF YOU DO THAT.....
:-)
| 1010 |
spirochete Wed, Jan 14, 2009 10:03:21pm |
re: #1001 Render
Yup. Three round bursts.
LEAP!,
R
I remember reading in a book about one of the first Navy Seals (team 6?) commanders, the one who wound up in prison. He described the shooting skills of his team. He attached a log to a tractor and pulled it through a field. After many rounds fired only a few actually hit the log. That's where I learned about disciplined firing.
You learned it with the actual weapon; no comparison, but it's all I got!
| 1011 |
Kragar Wed, Jan 14, 2009 10:03:56pm |
re: #1009 fmfnavydoc
DON'T CHOKE THE CHICKEN...YOU'LL GO BLIND IF YOU DO THAT.....
:-)
My Dad once said, "Son, you'll go blind doing that!"
To which I replied, "Dad, I'm over here."
| 1012 |
lifeofthemind Wed, Jan 14, 2009 10:04:16pm |
I think the rooster is in code, sounded like "I want a lawyer"
| 1013 |
BignJames Wed, Jan 14, 2009 10:04:42pm |
re: #974 realwest
Hmm, and in a Democratic Congress and with a Democrat as President. Interesting - what do you think - should we reinstitute the draft?
Were you drafted?
| 1014 |
Wishing Wed, Jan 14, 2009 10:04:42pm |
Surveying the city landscape, I would guess that UNRA has built many, many buildings for the balestinians, but there are no balestinians to live in em.
New buildings, zero occupancy.
| 1016 |
fmfnavydoc Wed, Jan 14, 2009 10:04:46pm |
re: #1011 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
My Dad once said, "Son, you'll go blind doing that!"
To which I replied, "Dad, I'm over here."
Just spit Cherry Pepsi all over the screen.....
| 1017 |
spirochete Wed, Jan 14, 2009 10:05:05pm |
re: #1005 Promethea
If I were President and all-powerful (heh, heh), I would ask Congress to fund a major effort toward spreading Judeo-Christian values throughout the Mideast. If the Buddhist, Hindu, Taoist, and Confucian voters in the U.S. objected, I would include them in this effort too. If the ACLU objected, I would tell them to go and FU.
Is not my plan just as reasonable as those we've heard about from the current and soon-to-be presidential administrations?
If not, why not?
I really think that's what we are doing. Exit strategy? Who said anything about leaving?
| 1018 |
Pawn of the Oppressor Wed, Jan 14, 2009 10:05:32pm |
Anybody know exactly where the Gaza cam is located? I tried finding it in Google Earth but since Gaza is, like, a city with lots of buildings (and not a delapidated dump "concentration camp" like the lefties would have us believe), there are too many tall red-roofed buildings to narrow down.
(I'm guessing it's north of the Gaza Tire Fire.)
| 1019 |
avanti Wed, Jan 14, 2009 10:06:11pm |
re: #990 Pietr
Just so ya know-I also only down ding when I report a post....so I've never down dinged you. I've only down dinged once-the other times I got to a BAD post, it had enough down dings, that I figured it was already reported. Just the way I am.....
No worries, I have one guy on here that will keep be in negitive Karma land for life. As long as that does not trip the trap door out, I could care. Funny thing is on big on Karma and paying it forward. Once loaned a friend some money,had a selfesh moment because I could not then buy a 5K Studebaker at a meet. Later that day, I won a 16K raffle car and have been a Karma freak since. :)
| 1020 |
Pietr Wed, Jan 14, 2009 10:06:27pm |
re: #986 spirochete
Israelis fire in triplets?
3 shot bursts-disciplined autofire. It kinda makes sure your target goes away......
| 1021 |
Samsonn Wed, Jan 14, 2009 10:06:45pm |
Regarding civilain deaths, I always refer to a good quote from General William Tecumseh Sherman:
"War is cruelty. There is no use trying to reform it. The crueler it is, the sooner it will be over."
Another good quote:
"If the people raise a great howl against my barbarity and cruelty, I will answer that war is war, and not popularity seeking."
And:
"Every attempt to make war easy and safe will result in humiliation and disaster."
Good old Sherman would have hated the MSM, here's what he said about newspaper men:
"I hate newspapermen... I regard them as spies, which, in truth, they are. If I killed them all there would be news from Hell before breakfast."
What do you guys think? Am I wrong to think that the more terrible this war is, the quicker it will be over? Or should the IDF actively try to reduce civilian deaths, potentially allowing Hamas to continue their rocket fire?
| 1022 |
Wishing Wed, Jan 14, 2009 10:06:54pm |
re: #1018 Pawn of the Oppressor
Anybody know exactly where the Gaza cam is located? I tried finding it in Google Earth but since Gaza is, like, a city with lots of buildings (and not a delapidated dump "concentration camp" like the lefties would have us believe), there are too many tall red-roofed buildings to narrow down.
(I'm guessing it's north of the Gaza Tire Fire.)
Maybe on the Al-jezeera building? I think someone mentioned that last night?
| 1023 |
Pawn of the Oppressor Wed, Jan 14, 2009 10:07:08pm |
I think the rooster and the whining kids are the only ones awake in this neighborhood.
I see why you people keep watching this thing...
| 1024 |
Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, Jan 14, 2009 10:07:24pm |
re: #1003 Stonemason
I don't have a problem with the people, it's the illegality of it all, creates that shadow society. We do need the guest worker program, or did until the market crashed. now I am not so sure, Americans are gonna need those jobs now.
It does create a situation ripe for exploitation. I don't think Bush emphasized this enough when he was trying to his plan thru Congress. It's an emotionally charged issue.
| 1025 |
Wishing Wed, Jan 14, 2009 10:07:56pm |
re: #1023 Pawn of the Oppressor
I think the rooster and the whining kids are the only ones awake in this neighborhood.
I see why you people keep watching this thing...
Addictive, aint it?
heh
| 1026 |
lifeofthemind Wed, Jan 14, 2009 10:08:24pm |
Some idiot tried to be a wise ass and asked what if it was reversed and the Jews were in Gaza? If there were 50,000 Jews in that city, which is not that bad looking, it would be another Monaco, it would be Trump Holy Land Resorts and Club Med on the Med with thriving agriculture to boot.
| 1027 |
Kragar Wed, Jan 14, 2009 10:08:51pm |
Fire automatic weapons in short controled burst. For hand held systems, allows you to reaim or recoil will pull you off target. Also helps manage overheating and ammo feed with belt fed systems.
| 1028 |
karmic_inquisitor Wed, Jan 14, 2009 10:09:10pm |
Redd Foxx quote:
"Health nuts are going to feel stupid someday, lying in hospitals dying of nothing."
| 1029 |
tradewind Wed, Jan 14, 2009 10:09:13pm |
Speaking of protecting civilians.....I'm amazed a British rag allowed this to be printed, but..... damn straight, Skippy.
[Link: www.telegraph.co.uk...]
| 1030 |
Promethea Wed, Jan 14, 2009 10:09:25pm |
re: #904 Iron Fist
In the end, there would be less bloodshed if the IDF went in and mopped up all of Hamas, Hezbollah, Islamic Jihad, al Aksa, etc. Sure the media would focus on the terrorists you'd be putting down, but that is going to happen no matter what the IDF does. Might as well be damned as the victor if you are going to be damned whether you win or lose.
Lotsa updings, if those were available. Who cares what the "media" writes at this point? They've lost all credibility. They're just a bunch of propagandists for the barbarians so we just have to work around them.
| 1031 |
x-wing Wed, Jan 14, 2009 10:09:45pm |
re: #1009 fmfnavydoc
DON'T CHOKE THE CHICKEN...YOU'LL GO BLIND IF YOU DO THAT.....
:-)
No worries. I'm just gonna do it until I need glasses ;>}
/
| 1032 |
Wishing Wed, Jan 14, 2009 10:09:58pm |
re: #1027 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Fire automatic weapons in short controled burst. For hand held systems, allows you to reaim or recoil will pull you off target. Also helps manage overheating and ammo feed with belt fed systems.
Kragar, didnt someone say that the Israeli's weapons have 3- round full auto? Then back to single?
| 1033 |
spirochete Wed, Jan 14, 2009 10:10:04pm |
The Gazacam (we think) is on top of the Ramattan News Building. The general concensus is we are looking south, with the Med to the right. Googling around can get you some pinpoint maps. I found them easily, but I'm on dial up tonight and gave up.
Someone earlier thought the picture was real close to the shore...but..it is Gaza, so i guess it's all near the shore.
| 1034 |
Pawn of the Oppressor Wed, Jan 14, 2009 10:10:11pm |
Whoo! Airstrike just to the left in the frame. Jet noise, and a BANG! No secondaries though.
| 1035 |
karmic_inquisitor Wed, Jan 14, 2009 10:10:36pm |
re: #1027 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Fire automatic weapons in short controled burst. For hand held systems, allows you to reaim or recoil will pull you off target. Also helps manage overheating and ammo feed with belt fed systems.
Yes, but the old M16s were more fun - full auto - spray and pray.
| 1036 |
lifeofthemind Wed, Jan 14, 2009 10:10:38pm |
re: #1018 Pawn of the Oppressor
Anybody know exactly where the Gaza cam is located? I tried finding it in Google Earth but since Gaza is, like, a city with lots of buildings (and not a delapidated dump "concentration camp" like the lefties would have us believe), there are too many tall red-roofed buildings to narrow down.
(I'm guessing it's north of the Gaza Tire Fire.)
You think it is facing Southwest with the Sea to the right? Sun to the left?
| 1037 |
fmfnavydoc Wed, Jan 14, 2009 10:10:38pm |
Maybe this is where the Gazacam is at (from the Ramattan website):
Ramattan is perhaps best known for its coverage of events in Gaza. The Gaza location offers two full studios and a rooftop live spot facility, all with a panoramic view of Gaza City and the coast.
Facilities: Our Gaza office offers live and scheduled transmission services through two fully-equipped SNG units, in addition to a range of professional quality cameras and full editing services. Also available at our Gaza location are two studios with live production capabilities.
Our staff are available for complete logistical and service support for your productions.
Contact: 9th Floor, Shawa & Husari Building, Al Wahda Street, Rimal, Gaza City
Tel: ([no phone numbers allowed]
Fax: ([no phone numbers allowed]
Mobile:
Email: gaza.info@ramattan.com
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Stonemason Wed, Jan 14, 2009 10:11:39pm |
re: #1024 ggt
And so much more on the ground. When one wanders some in those circles one learns much. Humans are humans but there are laws to be followed...if the laws were...I don't know, maybe more explicit and better enforced the humanitarian issues would take care of themselves...
I need research too, my info is first hand and anecdotal
| 1041 |
karmic_inquisitor Wed, Jan 14, 2009 10:12:09pm |
re: #1029 tradewind
Speaking of protecting civilians.....I'm amazed a British rag allowed this to be printed, but..... damn straight, Skippy.
[Link: www.telegraph.co.uk...]
The "Torygraph" has no longing for Hamas to hold power.
| 1042 |
Alberta Oil Peon Wed, Jan 14, 2009 10:12:21pm |
re: #1033 spirochete
The Gazacam (we think) is on top of the Ramattan News Building. The general concensus is we are looking south, with the Med to the right. Googling around can get you some pinpoint maps. I found them easily, but I'm on dial up tonight and gave up.
Someone earlier thought the picture was real close to the shore...but..it is Gaza, so i guess it's all near the shore.
I'm wondering if those smoke plumes are coming from near the border with Egypt. Could it be smuggling tunnels and associated ammo/materiel dumps that have been targeted?
| 1043 |
spirochete Wed, Jan 14, 2009 10:12:51pm |
re: #1037 fmfnavydoc
Bingo, awesome job doc. With that info, google maps could get you right there.
| 1044 |
realwest Wed, Jan 14, 2009 10:12:58pm |
re: #967 Iron Fist There has never been a war that was won with Airpower alone. Now if you mean using nukes from aircraft you may be correct. But I'm afraid the bottem line is that it's gonna take some poor guys on the ground with small arms to finish this thing off.
And of course Israel doesn't get the credit she so richly deserves for trying - HARD - to not kill innocent civilians........and in an environment where those innocent civilians are deliberately used as shields.
That's MOSTLY because large segments of the World's population hate Jews, ergo hate Israel and because the MSM is clearly on the side of the barbarians. Don't believe me? Ask yourself, since well over some 4,500 rockets were launched into Israel since 2005 (when Israel withdrew from Gaza) how many stories or photo's or videos have you seen here in America showing the results of those rockets being fired into Israel?
I know of only two and those were BOTH at the beginning of this Cast Lead operation.
Now how many times have you seen the results of the IDF fighting against Hamas where "civilian" Gazans were hurt or killed, that were shown here in the US? Yep, too many to count, ever if you disregard the blatant fauxtography used by the MSM.
That's why Israel has to completely crush and destroy Hamas - and although as a former grunt I hate to say this - it's gonna take Israeli grunts to do it and yes, they will probably take significant casualites in doing so.
| 1045 |
Wishing Wed, Jan 14, 2009 10:13:00pm |
re: #1029 tradewind
Speaking of protecting civilians.....I'm amazed a British rag allowed this to be printed, but..... damn straight, Skippy.
[Link: www.telegraph.co.uk...]
Amazingly good article!
| 1046 |
Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, Jan 14, 2009 10:13:14pm |
re: #1021 aussieroddy
Regarding civilain deaths, I always refer to a good quote from General William Tecumseh Sherman:
"War is cruelty. There is no use trying to reform it. The crueler it is, the sooner it will be over."
Another good quote:
"If the people raise a great howl against my barbarity and cruelty, I will answer that war is war, and not popularity seeking."
And:
"Every attempt to make war easy and safe will result in humiliation and disaster."
Good old Sherman would have hated the MSM, here's what he said about newspaper men:
"I hate newspapermen... I regard them as spies, which, in truth, they are. If I killed them all there would be news from Hell before breakfast."
What do you guys think? Am I wrong to think that the more terrible this war is, the quicker it will be over? Or should the IDF actively try to reduce civilian deaths, potentially allowing Hamas to continue their rocket fire?
About a gazillion years ago a Lizard recommended a essay on the Jacksonian thinking which says about the same as your Sherman quotes. Basically, there is less loss of life in the type of war Sherman describes. Think Hiroshima.
I liken it to disciplining children. Enforce the rules and they will be followed. You won't have to do it more than once or twice before the child learns you are serious. It's there job to challenge you, you have to be up the challenge. The "please johnny, do it for mommy" shit only creates maladjusted 40 year olds who are not happy in life (OR worse).
| 1047 |
Kragar Wed, Jan 14, 2009 10:13:18pm |
re: #1032 Wishing
Kragar, didnt someone say that the Israeli's weapons have 3- round full auto? Then back to single?
Most have a selector lever, allowing the weapon to be fired as either single shot or short burst, or in some cases even full auto. M-16s went with 3 rounds. Some German rifles and SMGs do 5 round burst. Not sure about the current IDF rifle, but would assume so.
| 1048 |
x-wing Wed, Jan 14, 2009 10:13:37pm |
re: #1020 Pietr
3 shot bursts-disciplined autofire. It kinda makes sure your target goes away......
That 3 round burst on the selecter switch helps too ;>}
They didn't have those when I served.
| 1049 |
Dark_Falcon Wed, Jan 14, 2009 10:13:53pm |
re: #1021 aussieroddy
Regarding civilain deaths, I always refer to a good quote from General William Tecumseh Sherman:
"War is cruelty. There is no use trying to reform it. The crueler it is, the sooner it will be over."
Another good quote:
"If the people raise a great howl against my barbarity and cruelty, I will answer that war is war, and not popularity seeking."
And:
"Every attempt to make war easy and safe will result in humiliation and disaster."
Good old Sherman would have hated the MSM, here's what he said about newspaper men:
"I hate newspapermen... I regard them as spies, which, in truth, they are. If I killed them all there would be news from Hell before breakfast."
What do you guys think? Am I wrong to think that the more terrible this war is, the quicker it will be over? Or should the IDF actively try to reduce civilian deaths, potentially allowing Hamas to continue their rocket fire?
I see a need for a middle ground. Yes, the IDF is right to make this fight painful for civilians in Gaza. They need to learn that if you are always calling for war with someone, you may get a war you can't handle. On the other hand, the IDF does need to avoid actually killing civilians in order to keep their PR problems to a manageable level. I would say that they are getting things as right as they can this time.
| 1050 |
Kragar Wed, Jan 14, 2009 10:13:58pm |
re: #1035 karmic_inquisitor
Yes, but the old M16s were more fun - full auto - spray and pray.
Pray you still had ammo when you finally had a target :P
| 1051 |
tradewind Wed, Jan 14, 2009 10:14:02pm |
re: #1030 Promethea
Yep. Israel's already got the (undeserved) blame, so they might as well play the damn game.
To win.
| 1052 |
Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, Jan 14, 2009 10:15:19pm |
| 1053 |
tradewind Wed, Jan 14, 2009 10:15:26pm |
re: #1045 Wishing
Should be flashed/run as a crawl subliminally all during the Obama lovefest coverage.
For balance.
| 1054 |
Dark_Falcon Wed, Jan 14, 2009 10:15:29pm |
re: #1035 karmic_inquisitor
Yes, but the old M16s were more fun - full auto - spray and pray.
More fun until you run out of ammo, anyway.
| 1055 |
Render Wed, Jan 14, 2009 10:15:29pm |
re: #1018 Pawn of the Oppressor
City center, about halfway between Karni Crossing and the coast, somewhere near al-Shifa hospital.
Somebody found the actual address, but it wasn't much help with Google Earth.
We've got it down to a five mile radius, at best.
DRIVE
ON,
R
| 1056 |
slokat Wed, Jan 14, 2009 10:15:31pm |
re: #1042 Alberta Oil Peon
It might be a return to the Sheikh Ajleen neighborhood, that they attacked on Sunday?
| 1057 |
Neo Con since 9-11 Wed, Jan 14, 2009 10:15:54pm |
re: #1019 avanti
I don't know how you ended up with negative karma. You always seemed like a classical liberal, like many of us are, rather than a crazy socialist/marxist/leftist. More of a John Glenn/Lieberman dem than a Kucinich/Pelosi/Dean dem. I'll go back through and see if I can get you back to neutral.
| 1058 |
SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Jan 14, 2009 10:16:01pm |
re: #1005 Promethea
If I were President and all-powerful (heh, heh), I would ask Congress to fund a major effort toward spreading Judeo-Christian values throughout the Mideast. If the Buddhist, Hindu, Taoist, and Confucian voters in the U.S. objected, I would include them in this effort too. If the ACLU objected, I would tell them to go and FU.
Mind explaining what that looks like, and what you hope to achieve from it?
| 1060 |
Wishing Wed, Jan 14, 2009 10:16:55pm |
Ok, that uncontrolled automatic firing, that would be Hamas? Going against our guys with the 3 round burst?
| 1062 |
SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Jan 14, 2009 10:18:08pm |
re: #1033 spirochete
The Gazacam (we think) is on top of the Ramattan News Building. The general concensus is we are looking south, with the Med to the right. Googling around can get you some pinpoint maps. I found them easily, but I'm on dial up tonight and gave up.
Someone earlier thought the picture was real close to the shore...but..it is Gaza, so i guess it's all near the shore.
The Strip is seven miles wide at the Rafah crossing, and I don't think it gets wider than that at any point. And Gaza City is mostly within a mile or two of the coastline.
| 1063 |
spirochete Wed, Jan 14, 2009 10:18:15pm |
re: #1052 ggt
MAJOR PET PEEVE:
"The general concensus is"
A concensus is general.
Spoken versus grammatically correct then?
The unobtainable concensus was...
There was never a real concensus that...
The unforgettable concensus was...
The general concensus is....
| 1064 |
Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, Jan 14, 2009 10:18:24pm |
re: #1046 ggt
"It's there job to challenge you, you have to be up the challenge. The "please johnny, do it for mommy" shit only creates maladjusted 40 year olds who are not happy in life"
pimf there=their
| 1065 |
realwest Wed, Jan 14, 2009 10:18:27pm |
re: #987 Dustyvet
Yeah but when Rangel did it before, it was, IMO, only to embarrass Bush and Co over the Iraq war (you know the meme - armchair generals, those Republicans, they never served and they'd never let their children serve so let's draft their asses).
This is a whole different matter and frankly I don't think our military is large enough now (well, it probably will be after Obama takes office) with just all volunteers.
| 1066 |
Render Wed, Jan 14, 2009 10:18:57pm |
re: #1060 Wishing
Yes. They were trained by Iran using old Hollywood movies. They tend to cut loose the entire magazine, usually over the heads of the intended targets, without looking.
GENERALLY,
R
| 1067 |
spirochete Wed, Jan 14, 2009 10:19:31pm |
re: #1063 spirochete
Spoken versus grammatically correct then?
The unobtainable concensus was...
There was never a real concensus that...
The unforgettable concensus was...
The general concensus is....
...their concensus was...
| 1068 |
realwest Wed, Jan 14, 2009 10:19:54pm |
re: #993 Syrah
I intend to, don't worry about that. It was a STUPID mistake on my part and won't happen again.
| 1069 |
Bill K. Wed, Jan 14, 2009 10:20:19pm |
#909 Dark_Falcon
The MSM would make a fuss if Israel announced that it would bomb every Hamas target no matter how many enemy civilians were around it. But what of it? This does not address the morality of a free nation making its highest priority the defense of its own population. If Israel made this their policy there is absolutely no one on this planet that would lift a finger to stop them.
#924 SanFranciscoZionist
It doesn't matter what was in the Hamas trucks. It could have been food and medicine. It would still have been used to support the Hamas war effort which would have lead at some point to the possible deaths of Israelis.
This is a war and "cost analysis" involving the enemy goes out the window. The only "cost analysis" the IDF should be interested in is how many of the enemy can they kill at a minimum cost to their own soldiers to the end of a decisive victory over Hamas.
| 1070 |
Wishing Wed, Jan 14, 2009 10:20:54pm |
See that? New buildings, no occupants. And paid for with YOUR tax dollars!
| 1071 |
slokat Wed, Jan 14, 2009 10:22:18pm |
re: #1061 Render
If I'm looking at the right building on the right map, the scale puts it 1200 meters from the edge of that neighborhood
| 1072 |
x-wing Wed, Jan 14, 2009 10:22:21pm |
re: #1060 Wishing
Ok, that uncontrolled automatic firing, that would be Hamas? Going against our guys with the 3 round burst?
Yes. But the heavier thumping is the IDF with 50 cal. and they're more than 3 round bursts.
| 1073 |
Dustyvet Wed, Jan 14, 2009 10:22:46pm |
re: #1050 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Pray you still had ammo when you finally had a target :P
When I was issued my M-16 at Long Binh in 1967, she was brand new, right out of the crate. We ate together, slept together, went to the field together, went to the Bob Hope show together, got drunk together, had Ham and Lima beans together, did convoy security together, saw action in the Tet Offensive together, then my tour was over, and we said our good bye as I turned her in again at Long Binh. Wonder what ever happened to my old and dear friend.
| 1074 |
realwest Wed, Jan 14, 2009 10:23:02pm |
re: #1013 BignJames
No, I enlisted but served alonside quite a few draftees in the infantry in Vietnam and I believe they served with as much courage and skill as the enlistee's of the same pay grades.
| 1075 |
Wishing Wed, Jan 14, 2009 10:24:26pm |
Gnite, Lizards. Sleep well!
RealWest: take care of yourself!
GO IDF!
| 1076 |
Digital Display Wed, Jan 14, 2009 10:24:44pm |
re: #1074 realwest
No, I enlisted but served alonside quite a few draftees in the infantry in Vietnam and I believe they served with as much courage and skill as the enlistee's of the same pay grades.
*Salutes*
I lost my feed..went black..
| 1078 |
gop_patriot Wed, Jan 14, 2009 10:25:12pm |
Did the Gaza Rooster Cam go black for everone else, or do I need to refresh. lol
| 1079 |
lifeofthemind Wed, Jan 14, 2009 10:25:17pm |
| 1080 |
realwest Wed, Jan 14, 2009 10:25:24pm |
re: #1021 aussieroddy
Have you ever served in the military? In combat?
| 1081 |
Digital Display Wed, Jan 14, 2009 10:25:45pm |
re: #1078 gop_patriot
Did the
GazaRooster Cam go black for everone else, or do I need to refresh. lol
me too..
| 1082 |
spirochete Wed, Jan 14, 2009 10:26:05pm |
Just looked up the fifty caliber guns.
I was in Beijing for the '89 conflagration and as i was leaving, a friend of mine gave me a souvenir from the fighting. I still have it. I think it is a 50 cal. casing.
| 1083 |
avanti Wed, Jan 14, 2009 10:26:27pm |
re: #1057 Neo Con since 9-11
I don't know how you ended up with negative karma. You always seemed like a classical liberal, like many of us are, rather than a crazy socialist/marxist/leftist. More of a John Glenn/Lieberman dem than a Kucinich/Pelosi/Dean dem. I'll go back through and see if I can get you back to neutral.
Maybe, but I admitted to voting for Obama and there are more then a few here that think that's the end of life as we know it. If you guys come come up with a decent, socially liberal candidate I'd leave the dark side in a heartbeat. :)
| 1084 |
gop_patriot Wed, Jan 14, 2009 10:27:17pm |
| 1085 |
Dark_Falcon Wed, Jan 14, 2009 10:27:18pm |
re: #1069 Bill K.
The problem is that many Israelis do not want that as their policy. Israel wants peace and dislikes killing. A high non-combatant casualty plan would be too unpopular to be implemented.
| 1086 |
teddy_r Wed, Jan 14, 2009 10:27:29pm |
Maybe it is time for the Gazacam to go to work now in the studio downstairs.
| 1087 |
x-wing Wed, Jan 14, 2009 10:27:32pm |
re: #1078 gop_patriot
Did the
GazaRooster Cam go black for everone else, or do I need to refresh. lol
Audio no visual
| 1089 |
Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, Jan 14, 2009 10:28:50pm |
re: #1063 spirochete
Spoken versus grammatically correct then?
The unobtainable concensus was...
There was never a real concensus that...
The unforgettable concensus was...
The general concensus is....
I had a nun in 6th grade that was very specific in this point. I blame her for most of my pet peeves.
My latin is very rusty, but the prefix "con" has something to do with it. "sensus" or "sentio" if IIRC, means thought or feeling. Lizard Latin Scholars, help me out here. I think "conspiracy" is one of the derivatives.
:0
| 1090 |
lifeofthemind Wed, Jan 14, 2009 10:29:04pm |
re: #1083 avanti
Maybe, but I admitted to voting for Obama and there are more then a few here that think that's the end of life as we know it. If you guys come come up with a decent, socially liberal candidate I'd leave the dark side in a heartbeat. :)
Most Republicans were, McCain really was, Giuliani was, Fred really was, if by socially liberal you mean did they give a damn about what happens in your bedroom.
| 1091 |
Alberta Oil Peon Wed, Jan 14, 2009 10:29:14pm |
re: #1087 x-wing
Audio no visual
Somebody tripped over the cable, or perhaps somebody else thought the feed was becoming useful to the IDF.
| 1092 |
x-wing Wed, Jan 14, 2009 10:29:33pm |
re: #1081 HoosierHoops
me too..
Maybe we could request the booby channel when the Roostercam has feed problems ;>}
////
| 1093 |
Digital Display Wed, Jan 14, 2009 10:29:41pm |
re: #1083 avanti
Maybe, but I admitted to voting for Obama and there are more then a few here that think that's the end of life as we know it. If you guys come come up with a decent, socially liberal candidate I'd leave the dark side in a heartbeat. :)
It's America..we get to vote for anybody we damn well please..
So let's say it was '84 and it was Reagan vs. Obama..who is the pick?
say Carter vs. Mickey Mouse?
FDR vs. Clinton in the primary?
just fun questions..
| 1094 |
Dustyvet Wed, Jan 14, 2009 10:30:12pm |
re: #1088 spirochete
camera out. audio on.
I'll bet the Rooster does that, just to keep you folks on your toes...:)
| 1095 |
SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Jan 14, 2009 10:30:17pm |
re: #1066 Render
Yes. They were trained by Iran using old Hollywood movies. They tend to cut loose the entire magazine, usually over the heads of the intended targets, without looking.
GENERALLY,
R
Is that how Vader's stormtroopers learned to shoot?
| 1096 |
fmfnavydoc Wed, Jan 14, 2009 10:30:41pm |
re: #1091 Alberta Oil Peon
Somebody tripped over the cable, or perhaps somebody else thought the feed was becoming useful to the IDF.
The figured that out after how many days of combat?
| 1097 |
avanti Wed, Jan 14, 2009 10:30:51pm |
Night all, I have a Studebaker that needs my attention in the A.M.and thanks for letting me play in your pool. Best wishes to the IDF while I sleep.
| 1098 |
Kragar Wed, Jan 14, 2009 10:30:53pm |
| 1099 |
realwest Wed, Jan 14, 2009 10:31:12pm |
re: #1029 tradewind
Just an excellent comment and an especially great link!
Thank you very much for that!
| 1100 |
x-wing Wed, Jan 14, 2009 10:31:29pm |
re: #1082 spirochete
Is the casing about 3 inches long? Does it have any markings on it?
| 1101 |
lifeofthemind Wed, Jan 14, 2009 10:31:35pm |
There is a park in front of the camera with sculpted trees, can't find anything that looks right on the map
| 1102 |
spirochete Wed, Jan 14, 2009 10:31:40pm |
re: #1089 ggt
I had a nun in 6th grade that was very specific in this point. I blame her for most of my pet peeves.
My latin is very rusty, but the prefix "con" has something to do with it. "sensus" or "sentio" if IIRC, means thought or feeling. Lizard Latin Scholars, help me out here. I think "conspiracy" is one of the derivatives.
:0
I like the German word: Ubereinstimmung.
The battle's heating up over there.
| 1103 |
Alberta Oil Peon Wed, Jan 14, 2009 10:32:57pm |
re: #1097 avanti
Night all, I have a Studebaker that needs my attention in the A.M.and thanks for letting me play in your pool. Best wishes to the IDF while I sleep.
Good night, _ _.
| 1105 |
Digital Display Wed, Jan 14, 2009 10:33:11pm |
re: #1100 x-wing
Is the casing about 3 inches long? Does it have any markings on it?
Yes..It says have a nice day!
| 1106 |
realwest Wed, Jan 14, 2009 10:33:17pm |
re: #1035 karmic_inquisitor
"Yes, but the old M16s were more fun - full auto - spray and pray."
Fuckin' A !
| 1107 |
spirochete Wed, Jan 14, 2009 10:33:49pm |
re: #1100 x-wing
Yeah, I would say maybe even four inches long. It's in storage and its been years since I've held it.
| 1108 |
Dustyvet Wed, Jan 14, 2009 10:34:03pm |
re: #1106 realwest
"Yes, but the old M16s were more fun - full auto - spray and pray."
Fuckin' A !
MAD MINUTE!....:)
| 1109 |
Pietr Wed, Jan 14, 2009 10:34:12pm |
re: #1073 Dustyvet
When I was issued my M-16 at Long Binh in 1967, she was brand new, right out of the crate. We ate together, slept together, went to the field together, went to the Bob Hope show together, got drunk together, had Ham and Lima beans together, did convoy security together, saw action in the Tet Offensive together, then my tour was over, and we said our good bye as I turned her in again at Long Binh. Wonder what ever happened to my old and dear friend.
Hopefully, she had an appreciative roomate after you.....
| 1110 |
MJ Wed, Jan 14, 2009 10:34:31pm |
Israel’s Gaza Venture Hits Chord in Wounded India: Amity Shlaes
"...Israel has at least some supporters in what might seem an unlikely place: India."
[Link: www.bloomberg.com...]
| 1111 |
Alberta Oil Peon Wed, Jan 14, 2009 10:35:06pm |
Hmmm, a bunch of 3-round bursts very close to the mic. Maybe the fellow running the cam is in a shelter?
| 1112 |
Samsonn Wed, Jan 14, 2009 10:35:09pm |
re: #1046 ggt
About a gazillion years ago a Lizard recommended a essay on the Jacksonian thinking which re: #1046 ggt
says about the same as your Sherman quotes. Basically, there is less loss of life in the type of war Sherman describes. Think Hiroshima.
I liken it to disciplining children. Enforce the rules and they will be followed. You won't have to do it more than once or twice before the child learns you are serious. It's there job to challenge you, you have to be up the challenge. The "please johnny, do it for mommy" shit only creates maladjusted 40 year olds who are not happy in life (OR worse).
I agree, that's what I think Sherman was talking about too. The Civil War was terrible combat. Shelby Foote, who was in the Ken Burns documentary and who wrote a three volume compendium on the Civil War, and who served in World War II, said the the combat in the Civil War was "the most terrile warfare I know of."
The war in Gaza is obviously terrible, but I think you're right - the civilians in Gaza voted Hamas in, as I heard one Israeli soldier say, and so they fund, support and allow Hamas to continue with their policies of butchery and murder, even in 'peacetime.'
| 1113 |
x-wing Wed, Jan 14, 2009 10:35:14pm |
re: #1091 Alberta Oil Peon
Somebody tripped over the cable, or perhaps somebody else thought the feed was becoming useful to the IDF.
The way it's been going I think it's your or perhaps "option"
| 1114 |
Promethea Wed, Jan 14, 2009 10:35:34pm |
re: #1058 SanFranciscoZionist
Mind explaining what that looks like, and what you hope to achieve from it?
Well that would take a long post, but as a quick start, I would use the Voice of America and other media outlets as a way to spread Judeo-Christian ideas. They are embodied in the Declaration of Independence, the Constitution, and the Old and New Testaments, for starters.
| 1115 |
SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Jan 14, 2009 10:35:37pm |
re: #1083 avanti
Maybe, but I admitted to voting for Obama and there are more then a few here that think that's the end of life as we know it. If you guys come come up with a decent, socially liberal candidate I'd leave the dark side in a heartbeat. :)
I voted for Obama. I stood for about ten minutes in the voting booth considering writing in Hillary's name, and McCain probably would have had my vote if it hadn't been for a couple key issues and people, but in the end I held my nose and checked the dude's name off. He owes me big-time. If he screws up I am going to complain bitterly. I may even send him cranky letters.
If people wish to ding me for that, it's OK, but kinda tacky in my book.
| 1116 |
realwest Wed, Jan 14, 2009 10:36:55pm |
re: #1050 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir) Nope - spray and pray that there was no one left to target you!
Besides, it's really, REALLY hard to stay behind a downed tree and poke the rifle over the top and AIM IT without exposing yourself to incoming rounds!
| 1117 |
Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, Jan 14, 2009 10:37:05pm |
re: #1102 spirochete
I like the German word: Ubereinstimmung.
The battle's heating up over there.
LOL!
| 1118 |
Samsonn Wed, Jan 14, 2009 10:37:40pm |
re: #1049 Dark_Falcon
I see a need for a middle ground. Yes, the IDF is right to make this fight painful for civilians in Gaza. They need to learn that if you are always calling for war with someone, you may get a war you can't handle. On the other hand, the IDF does need to avoid actually killing civilians in order to keep their PR problems to a manageable level. I would say that they are getting things as right as they can this time.
You're right there. But do you think the MSM will rag on the Israelis no matter what? They're certainly handling the PR campaign well, but it just seems to me, and I may be wrong, that no matter what the IDF does, the 'consensus' internationally will be that the Israelis are wrong.
| 1119 |
Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, Jan 14, 2009 10:37:50pm |
re: #1107 spirochete
Yeah, I would say maybe even four inches long. It's in storage and its been years since I've held it.
I know there is a pun in there, but I just don't have the skills to find it.
| 1120 |
Digital Display Wed, Jan 14, 2009 10:39:08pm |
re: #1119 ggt
I know there is a pun in there, but I just don't have the skills to find it.
I don't know about a pun..but if a dude says it's 4 inches then it's 2" tops..
| 1122 |
spirochete Wed, Jan 14, 2009 10:39:50pm |
re: #1119 ggt
I know there is a pun in there, but I just don't have the skills to find it.
oh, man, the possiblities...too late for punditry...
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Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, Jan 14, 2009 10:39:59pm |
re: #1112 aussieroddy
I agree, that's what I think Sherman was talking about too. The Civil War was terrible combat. Shelby Foote, who was in the Ken Burns documentary and who wrote a three volume compendium on the Civil War, and who served in World War II, said the the combat in the Civil War was "the most terrile warfare I know of."
The war in Gaza is obviously terrible, but I think you're right - the civilians in Gaza voted Hamas in, as I heard one Israeli soldier say, and so they fund, support and allow Hamas to continue with their policies of butchery and murder, even in 'peacetime.'
again, like child rearing, parent's are suppossed to be friends, the are suppossed to be parents. In world affairs, IIRC, I think we should be trying to be neighbors, not friends. There is a difference.
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x-wing Wed, Jan 14, 2009 10:40:21pm |
re: #1105 HoosierHoops
Yes..It says have a nice day!
LOL, I could actually do something with that quote,can I borrow it. I'll split the profits 50/50 ;>}
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realwest Wed, Jan 14, 2009 10:40:39pm |
re: #1075 Wishing
Good night and thanks, I will take care of myself! Sleep well.
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Alberta Oil Peon Wed, Jan 14, 2009 10:41:42pm |
re: #1121 tradewind
Ahah. The cock croweth.
He must be mighty proud of all the big "eggs" that got laid last night.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, Jan 14, 2009 10:41:43pm |
re: #1120 HoosierHoops
I don't know about a pun..but if a dude says it's 4 inches then it's 2" tops..
I didn't know that! I've learned so much on LGF.
;0
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slokat Wed, Jan 14, 2009 10:41:45pm |
Before it went black it appeared we were looking at First National Bank & Moussa El-Haddad apartment building...
| 1129 |
lifeofthemind Wed, Jan 14, 2009 10:42:01pm |
Did Achmed forget to pay the electric? No that cant be since Israel gives it to them for free.
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Digital Display Wed, Jan 14, 2009 10:42:11pm |
Night Lizards!
Kick some terrorists ass IDF!
I am the Gaza rooster!
*thud*
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tradewind Wed, Jan 14, 2009 10:42:18pm |
re: #1088 spirochete
Oh good.... I thought it was just me and the quirky FlipForMac.
But I do hear a rooster, knocking himself out.
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avanti Wed, Jan 14, 2009 10:42:18pm |
re: #1090 lifeofthemind
Most Republicans were, McCain really was, Giuliani was, Fred really was, if by socially liberal you mean did they give a damn about what happens in your bedroom.
OK, one more post. I'm pro choice but not pro abortion.I believe it should be regulated, but not banned. I don't care if you are gay or straight, what books you read or porn you watch. I don't care about your religion or lack there of, but don't force your faith on me.
I don't believe in casual preemptive war, nor like nation building. I don't think the government can solve all of the social ills, but can some. I'm pro science and don't think being a intellectual is a bad thing. I don't think the right or the left has a monopoly on love of country.
I think war between the left and right, blue states and red is counter productive and yes, I bought the hope and change thing. Now this leftie is hitting the sack.
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Dustyvet Wed, Jan 14, 2009 10:43:02pm |
re: #1126 Alberta Oil Peon
He must be mighty proud of all the big "eggs" that got laid last night.
Achmed finely got paid his egg? Yeah!
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Digital Display Wed, Jan 14, 2009 10:43:17pm |
re: #1124 x-wing
LOL, I could actually do something with that quote,can I borrow it. I'll split the profits 50/50 ;>}
It's all yours x-wing...
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lifeofthemind Wed, Jan 14, 2009 10:44:05pm |
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tradewind Wed, Jan 14, 2009 10:44:27pm |
re: #1132 avanti
Since you're ducking out, not gonna do it, but this post just screams ' take me apart point by point and eviscerate me '.
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Pietr Wed, Jan 14, 2009 10:44:29pm |
re: #1115 SanFranciscoZionist
I voted for Obama. I stood for about ten minutes in the voting booth considering writing in Hillary's name, and McCain probably would have had my vote if it hadn't been for a couple key issues and people, but in the end I held my nose and checked the dude's name off. He owes me big-time. If he screws up I am going to complain bitterly. I may even send him cranky letters.
If people wish to ding me for that, it's OK, but kinda tacky in my book.
I dinged you...Hope you don't think I was 'tacky', but I felt the need to do it....
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Pawn of the Oppressor Wed, Jan 14, 2009 10:45:13pm |
re: #1055 Render
City center, about halfway between Karni Crossing and the coast, somewhere near al-Shifa hospital.
Somebody found the actual address, but it wasn't much help with Google Earth.
We've got it down to a five mile radius, at best.
DRIVE
ON,
R
Rimal as a neighborhood shows up on Google Maps (the website). There are only a few tall buildings in Rimal and if you play with the view in Google Earth it can be matched up roughly to the cam view. That is indeed the med off to the right. There is an L-shaped building in the foreground, so I placed a marker on the tallest building immediately north of the only L-shaped building I could find on the map.
31°31'45.47"N
34°27'8.17"E
Anyway the video image is gone now, it's audio only, so I can't double-check.
TURN IT BACK ON! I WANT MY LIVE WAR
Oh wow, I'm magic, it just came back
Aaaaand there goes the Palestinian Ambulance NASCAR Team, off to another fake injury photo-op
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spirochete Wed, Jan 14, 2009 10:46:29pm |
Gotta run, all. Life calls in the morning.
Be safe.
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slokat Wed, Jan 14, 2009 10:47:48pm |
re: #1142 Pawn of the Oppressor
31°31'2"N 34°27'5"E are coordinates for the building that I think the cam is on
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lifeofthemind Wed, Jan 14, 2009 10:48:55pm |
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Samsonn Wed, Jan 14, 2009 10:50:44pm |
re: #1080 realwest
Have you ever served in the military? In combat?
I served for 5 years as an Infantry Officer in the ADF, as a return of service obligation for my 4 years in ADFA (Australian Defence Force Academy), where I graduated with a Bachelor of Arts (History).
I have left full time service but I have served since my leaving of full time service as an Officer in the Australian Army Reserve.
However I have never been in combat.
I am pretty familiar with military history and tactics form Roman military tactics, through Napelonic tactics, Civil War era tactics, to modern combat.
But I do not have the experience that comes from serving in combat. There is an intensity that comes from combat experience.
I hope I can comment on combat, using Sherman's quotes, but I apologise if I've offended you as a veteran - certainly not my intention to pretend that I have been in combat.
What is your opinion on my comments if you don't mind me asking mate?
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Jan 14, 2009 10:50:52pm |
re: #1118 aussieroddy
You're right there. But do you think the MSM will rag on the Israelis no matter what? They're certainly handling the PR campaign well, but it just seems to me, and I may be wrong, that no matter what the IDF does, the 'consensus' internationally will be that the Israelis are wrong.
I can't answer for DF, but I do not think that Israel can win the hasbarah war in the American press. I don't think the coverage is universally negative, either, certainly better than what you get in Europe, but basically, the code is locked in.
I don't think Israel's war decisions are based on the opinion of the New York Times, though, that is, I don't think that being careful of civilians, or pulling back 'before the job (what job?) is done' is because of the need to look civilized before the world.
Israel is not fighting WWII or the American Civil War. This is essentially glorified tribal warfare. No matter what Israel does to Hamas, the Gaza strip will be there, someone will control it, there will be people living there, Egypt will still keep the border sealed, Fatah will still be planning quietly, Hezbollah will still be on the border, and Iran will still be handing out boomy things like candy on 9/11. Oh, and Syria. And whatever happens with Iraq. We go home, SOMEBODY gonna be sheriff. I'm forgetting some players here, but you get the idea.
Sherman's march to sea is not really a useful model here. For one thing, it's a very short walk from Gaza City. Israel knows that. Like I say, they've been doing this a long time, and they're still there.
| 1149 |
Alberta Oil Peon Wed, Jan 14, 2009 10:50:54pm |
Smoke plume is getting thinner. Looks like the fire is beginning to burn itself out.
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x-wing Wed, Jan 14, 2009 10:51:23pm |
Little kid screaming. Achmeds trying to light a smoke and what's that othe snapping noise I hear? Sounds like a nail gun.
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Jan 14, 2009 10:51:28pm |
re: #1118 aussieroddy
You're right there. But do you think the MSM will rag on the Israelis no matter what? They're certainly handling the PR campaign well, but it just seems to me, and I may be wrong, that no matter what the IDF does, the 'consensus' internationally will be that the Israelis are wrong.
Yes, the MSM will rag on them no matter what. That said, there are degrees of ragging on someone or something. Right now the ragging is still within the levels that will not really turn the publics of the US and Israel against the operation. The IDF's caution is needed to ensure that things stay that way. The vids the IDF is posting are not designed to sway the MSM. They're designed to give the IDF the political elbow room it needs to cut Hamas back to size. High civilian casualties would have created the kind of political pressure that would have forced a ceasefire before useful gains were made. That might still happen, but the IDF's attention to PR has helped reduce the risk.
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efuseakay Wed, Jan 14, 2009 10:52:03pm |
Wonder who the building belongs to...
Convenient that it's not too far from Shifa Hospital... with those rumors about the "bunkers" the Hamas leadership is hiding out in...
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Dustyvet Wed, Jan 14, 2009 10:52:57pm |
re: #1150 x-wing
Little kid screaming. Achmeds trying to light a smoke and what's that othe snapping noise I hear? Sounds like a nail gun.
Achmed's playing ping pong?
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Joseph Wed, Jan 14, 2009 10:53:15pm |
Too bad we can't drop a few of those komodo dragons on Gaza
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Samsonn Wed, Jan 14, 2009 10:53:50pm |
re: #1021 aussieroddy
Regarding civilain deaths, I always refer to a good quote from General William Tecumseh Sherman:
"War is cruelty. There is no use trying to reform it. The crueler it is, the sooner it will be over."
Another good quote:
"If the people raise a great howl against my barbarity and cruelty, I will answer that war is war, and not popularity seeking."
And:
"Every attempt to make war easy and safe will result in humiliation and disaster."
Good old Sherman would have hated the MSM, here's what he said about newspaper men:
"I hate newspapermen... I regard them as spies, which, in truth, they are. If I killed them all there would be news from Hell before breakfast."
What do you guys think? Am I wrong to think that the more terrible this war is, the quicker it will be over? Or should the IDF actively try to reduce civilian deaths, potentially allowing Hamas to continue their rocket fire?
A quick addendum with another quote that I think is apt, as well:
"I would make this war as severe as possible, and show no symptoms of tiring till the South begs for mercy."
"My aim, then, was to whip the rebels, to humble their pride, to follow them to their inmost recesses, and make them fear and dread us. Fear is the beginning of wisdom."
I think the latter applies to Hamas as well, though I may be wrong.
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x-wing Wed, Jan 14, 2009 10:56:16pm |
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realwest Wed, Jan 14, 2009 10:57:03pm |
re: #1115 SanFranciscoZionist I dinged you down because you voted for Obama. If you are a Black person, say so and I'll go back and up ding it.
But I can't see how ANYONE could vote for the absolutely least experienced, least prepared, "present" voter in the country, who flat out and out lied about his connections to Ayers and Wright, about whom cocaine use when younger rumors abounded and instead of releasing his medical records the way McCain released ALL of his,
had his family doctor issue a one page letter saying Obama was in good health. Much less someone who's wife - now to be First Lady - has said that when she's overseas she's ashamed to be from America. Moreover, except for the books he himself had written (or dictated or had ghost authored) there was preciously little in writing by him.
And that's not even mentioning Rezkco, Blago and all the rest of it.
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Dustyvet Wed, Jan 14, 2009 10:57:11pm |
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efuseakay Wed, Jan 14, 2009 10:58:02pm |
P.S.
Here are camera feeds from the Kerem Shalom crossing:
[Link: w3.castup.net...]
In a few hours there will be a bunch of trucks carrying food/medicine into Gaza..................
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Pawn of the Oppressor Wed, Jan 14, 2009 10:58:25pm |
re: #1145 slokat
31°31'2"N 34°27'5"E are coordinates for the building that I think the cam is on
I think you're right... The buildings line up. Fat squat orange roof to the east, tall thin orange roof in the middle, L-shaped building just south of the camera, etc. It's closer to downtown than I thought.
Some strange noises now... Sounds like a cross between a rumble, a helicopter, and a gun.
The fire is still going.
"Gaza Tire Fire - Since 1967!"
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teddy_r Wed, Jan 14, 2009 10:58:28pm |
The UNRWA Field Office is in this general direction about 1000m.
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fmfnavydoc Wed, Jan 14, 2009 10:58:36pm |
re: #1147 aussieroddy
I served for 5 years as an Infantry Officer in the ADF, as a return of service obligation for my 4 years in ADFA (Australian Defence Force Academy), where I graduated with a Bachelor of Arts (History).
I have left full time service but I have served since my leaving of full time service as an Officer in the Australian Army Reserve.
However I have never been in combat.
I am pretty familiar with military history and tactics form Roman military tactics, through Napelonic tactics, Civil War era tactics, to modern combat.
But I do not have the experience that comes from serving in combat. There is an intensity that comes from combat experience.
I hope I can comment on combat, using Sherman's quotes, but I apologise if I've offended you as a veteran - certainly not my intention to pretend that I have been in combat.
What is your opinion on my comments if you don't mind me asking mate?
Have you ever been to the Marine Corps Base in 29 Palms, CA? ...the two time I've been stationed there, I've seen a few members of the ADF there with the 1st Tank Battalion?
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Render Wed, Jan 14, 2009 10:58:45pm |
re: #1069 Bill K.
David Ben-Gurions most sacred military tenet was called "Havlaga" (self-restraint). No Jew was to let the smell of battle go to his head. The Jew was to be the purest fighter in the world, for he was defending a people destined to purify the human spirit.
I can't vouch for the destiny and purification stuff, but I can point out that Havlaga is now a tradition in the IDF, and has been since the Haganah days.
I can also point out that with a fairly small population, Israel cannot stand too very many losses. 1973 was almost a disaster, not just for the equipment lost, but far more so for the sheer number of irreplaceable casualties.
This forces the IDF into a very different tactical mindset. One that the US military only began to adopt in the early-1980's.
[Link: www.amazon.com...]
===
DB-G was wrong about the Muslims in 1947. He didn't understand what they wanted. And when he was confronted with it, he didn't want to believe it. Yet there it is, openly right in front of our faces, all over the world, right now, sixty two years later.
I'm not convinced any Israeli government has been entirely correct about what Islam wants of Jews.
KAHANE
KNEW,
R
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Dustyvet Wed, Jan 14, 2009 10:59:33pm |
re: #1157 realwest
I dinged you down because you voted for Obama. If you are a Black person, say so and I'll go back and up ding it.
But I can't see how ANYONE could vote for the absolutely least experienced, least prepared, "present" voter in the country, who flat out and out lied about his connections to Ayers and Wright, about whom cocaine use when younger rumors abounded and instead of releasing his medical records the way McCain released ALL of his,
had his family doctor issue a one page letter saying Obama was in good health. Much less someone who's wife - now to be First Lady - has said that when she's overseas she's ashamed to be from America. Moreover, except for the books he himself had written (or dictated or had ghost authored) there was preciously little in writing by him.
And that's not even mentioning Rezkco, Blago and all the rest of it.
I remember the Dick and Jane Books...nah never mind..., that one's just to easy...:)
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fmfnavydoc Wed, Jan 14, 2009 11:00:39pm |
Oops...lost the feed...looked like for a moment we had a Australian weather caster?
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stevieray Wed, Jan 14, 2009 11:02:35pm |
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slokat Wed, Jan 14, 2009 11:03:51pm |
re: #1161 Pawn of the Oppressor
I was looking at this building yesterday on google, via the address, but someone up the thread tonight posted the same location via wikimapia.org and it cemented my view, since the wiki map includes interactive links to internet sites... allowed me to verify further.
unfortunately not a close resolution & no street views...
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Pietr Wed, Jan 14, 2009 11:04:27pm |
re: #1147 aussieroddy
Realwest has left for the night, Compadre. And I won't speak for his feelings. But I hope I speak for many of us here in saying, "Thank you for your service"! I'm an American, with some service history-but we appreciate the service of those who help us, as we've helped them. And the ANZAC was always help to the USA....so "Thank You".
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fmfnavydoc Wed, Jan 14, 2009 11:04:58pm |
Achmed...if you can read this...go and check the microphone...stop playing with the goat...I don't care if she is your 5th wife, and this is your honeymoon...check the camera and mike
Signed,
The infadels in the real world
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Bill K. Wed, Jan 14, 2009 11:05:15pm |
#952 Neo Con since 9-11
What you are suggesting is fighting stupid and brutal, the barbarian way. The Israelis are fighting smart and efficient, that beats the barbarian 9 times out of ten.
It may be brutal but giving the enemy no quarter is the smart way to fight and the only path to victory in warfare.
In WW2 the German and the Japanese populations were subjected to the most terrible bombings imaginable. They learned that war did not bring them riches and glory but only death and destruction. The war was short, ruthless and ended in unconditional surrender. Germany and Japan were totally crushed and there was never any thought of fighting another war again. Today Germany and Japan are among our most loyal allies. It is incomprehensible that we would ever fight them again.
Is this what you find stupid?
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x-wing Wed, Jan 14, 2009 11:06:34pm |
re: #1157 realwest
real, you stated that most eloquently, except for the black part. I would not un-ding that if SFZ was black. Anyone who voted for Obama no matter what the color of their skin deserves a downding. Now excuse me while I go down ding that post myself.
/I gave you my $.05 worth
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Pawn of the Oppressor Wed, Jan 14, 2009 11:06:41pm |
re: #1162 teddy_r
The UNRWA Field Office is in this general direction about 1000m.
I was trying to get a handle on where the smoke is coming from, and on Google Earth, if you go south from the camera, past the UN Demographic Jihad Center, you get into more open country where people have posted pictures on Google of bombed-out buildings. So maybe this is an area that gets bombed regularly. I wonder why?
Looked like three distinct smoke plumes before the feed went out. Oh well.
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fmfnavydoc Wed, Jan 14, 2009 11:07:13pm |
re: #1171 Pietr
Realwest has left for the night, Compadre. And I won't speak for his feelings. But I hope I speak for many of us here in saying, "Thank you for your service"! I'm an American, with some service history-but we appreciate the service of those who help us, as we've helped them. And the ANZAC was always help to the USA....so "Thank You".
I'll second that - as a Sailor that retired last year, I've always found it a pleasure to work with member of the ADF...Thanks for your service...
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lifeofthemind Wed, Jan 14, 2009 11:10:48pm |
re: #1147 aussieroddy
Have only good memories from my port visits in Australia, some a little hazy to be sure. The only complaints I can offer are that your forces are a third of what they should be and your current idiot government, owned by China, is so venial they closed up shop for the Navy over Xmas. THere is much the US should do to support the Aussies. You have your quarter of the globe to keep an eye on and that is a big area. I's give the AAF all our old B-52s that are headed for the scrap line and arrange new electronics and stand off missiles. also the LCS and amphibs should be joint projects.
| 1178 |
karmic_inquisitor Wed, Jan 14, 2009 11:11:20pm |
Israeli comedians mock BBC coverage.
| 1179 |
realwest Wed, Jan 14, 2009 11:11:47pm |
re: #1147 aussieroddy
Well my opinion is thus: Civilized Nations should NEVER deliberately target civilian populations, go on looting sprees, destroy the very food and housing that the civilians need to LIVE.
Yeah war is hell. Ask not just those of us from the South, but the so-called Native Americans (they weren't native, though they were the First Americans).
And I don't believe it was Sherman's brilliance that helped bring about the end of the war, it was the fact that he, like Grant, had many more troops than did the South. And unlike Grant, Sherman never really fought against a world class military intellect either. Wonder what he would have said had the South done to, say Michigan or Ohio, what he did to Georgia?
I was only a lowly rifleman so I will bow to your academic knowledge about war and especially about Sherman. But I was in combat (in Vietnam) and while that hardly qualifies me to lecture to you or anything,(and while I hold Sherman in low regard, that's not what I'm trying to do here) there is something about having been and done (and, in my case, not with any notable bravery, just did my job) than having just read about combat.
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itellu3times Wed, Jan 14, 2009 11:12:09pm |
re: #1164 Render
OTOH, the Muslims around Israel circa 1948 were not for the most part the Wahabi nutjobs that prevail today.
I'm not really disagreeing, just making a small point.
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Render Wed, Jan 14, 2009 11:12:22pm |
re: #1173 Bill K.
Do you really think a March to the Sea through Gaza would be the end of it between Islam and Israel?
Or, would such overwhelming brutality, no matter how richly deserved, serve only to draw in other Islamic nations?
Which Islamic sea should Israel march to first?
Sherman and Grant had land, manpower, and resources that tiny Israel and 13 million Jews will never have.
10,000
DAYS,
R
| 1183 |
Render Wed, Jan 14, 2009 11:14:26pm |
re: #1180 itellu3times
Their leadership was, if not actually Wahabi, certainly nutjobs. Grand Mufti...
BEYOND
SANITY,
R
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slokat Wed, Jan 14, 2009 11:14:40pm |
re: #1182 lifeofthemind
Sound is out, most unsound
yeah, but we have a street with actual vehicles driving by...
| 1185 |
Alberta Oil Peon Wed, Jan 14, 2009 11:15:16pm |
Hey! Fresh cloud of gray smoke in the middle distance, in front of that middle-height building with the red cottage roof.
| 1186 |
teddy_r Wed, Jan 14, 2009 11:15:46pm |
re: #1175 Pawn of the Oppressor
So maybe this is an area that gets bombed regularly. I wonder why?
No idea at this point.
| 1188 |
realwest Wed, Jan 14, 2009 11:17:46pm |
re: #1171 Pietr
I haven' left for the night, but you did remind me that I should have said how grateful I am to the Aussies for their undying friendship with us, for casting their lot in combat on our side and for sharing America's LUST for Freedom.
I did indeed enjoy drinking with a bunch of Aussie SAS lads one great evening and appreciated their being on our side more than ever.
And I thank you, personally, for your service to your nation.
| 1190 |
Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, Jan 14, 2009 11:18:26pm |
weet dreams all!
give my regards to Fluffy Al-Capon when you hear him.
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Render Wed, Jan 14, 2009 11:18:58pm |
Looks like one of those buildings just took a direct hit.
Sniper pad, or just random?
The people downstairs seem somewhat unconcerned as they "inspect."
BUILDING
SWARM,
R
| 1192 |
wanglese Wed, Jan 14, 2009 11:19:12pm |
Never saw a concentration camp with so many satellite dishes.
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x-wing Wed, Jan 14, 2009 11:19:59pm |
For a concentration/refugee camp there sure are alot of sattelite dishes.
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realwest Wed, Jan 14, 2009 11:20:27pm |
re: #1174 x-wing
Ah, well I can understand a Black American voting for Obama - hell he's the FIRST Black man to ever run for POTUS and I'd consider it a gesuture of racial pride for Black Americans to have voted for him.
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Dustyvet Wed, Jan 14, 2009 11:20:41pm |
re: #1193 x-wing
For a concentration/refugee camp there sure are alot of sattelite dishes.
HAMAS PBS?
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gop_patriot Wed, Jan 14, 2009 11:21:35pm |
re: #1192 wanglese
Never saw a concentration camp with so many satellite dishes.
That is almost exactly what I was about to say.
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wanglese Wed, Jan 14, 2009 11:22:16pm |
re: #1147 aussieroddy
And from one Aussie to another, I'm grateful that you put on the uniform. Whether you went into combat or not, you deserve the respect and thanks of the rest of us.
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realwest Wed, Jan 14, 2009 11:23:49pm |
re: #1190 ggt
Wait ggt! Hey that All Points Bulletin is still out there for Rahm Emmanuel (!) have you seen him anywhere?
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Alberta Oil Peon Wed, Jan 14, 2009 11:24:07pm |
Action's heating up a bit. Pity the sound's out.
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x-wing Wed, Jan 14, 2009 11:25:17pm |
re: #1194 realwest
Agree to a point, I know I'm use to all the Pres. being whie, but I wont vote for one just because he's white.
But I see where you're coming from.
BTW, you feeling better now, we were worried about you earlier.
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realwest Wed, Jan 14, 2009 11:27:55pm |
re: #1201 x-wing
Yeah, I am feeling better thanks - just a stupid mix up in meds that almost had me O.D.ing! Won't happen again, I assure you.
And thanks for asking!
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x-wing Wed, Jan 14, 2009 11:28:08pm |
re: #1195 Dustyvet
HAMAS PBS?
Yeah, how many channels are available on dish? How many do Gazans get?
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lifeofthemind Wed, Jan 14, 2009 11:30:15pm |
re: #1199 realwest
Wait ggt! Hey that All Points Bulletin is still out there for Rahm Emmanuel (!) have you seen him anywhere?
Wouldn't be surprised if Rahm stays out of the country until after the inauguration, maybe they'll make him ambassador to Kazakhastan, lots of friends of BHO will need jobs like that if Fitzgerald isn't defanged.
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realwest Wed, Jan 14, 2009 11:30:44pm |
re: #1203 x-wing
Hamas leadership gets 144 channels, Hamas' "fighters"
get 12; regular civilian population in Gaza gets 2 - both the same but broadcast from different locations so that they get all the Hamas' news that Hamas wants them to have.
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Jan 14, 2009 11:34:43pm |
re: #1203 x-wing
Yeah, how many channels are available on dish? How many do Gazans get?
I imagine they can get quite a lot of programming from their location. I understand Turkish soaps are popular in the region. And of course, the ongoing adventures of Saraa and the Splodeymuppets.
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ryannon Wed, Jan 14, 2009 11:36:55pm |
The shelling is moving in closer to the center....audio still out, but the images show a pall of smoke much closer in, depending on the camera angle. The shells are falling even closer, kicking up clouds of smoke....
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Samsonn Wed, Jan 14, 2009 11:39:45pm |
re: #1179 realwest
Well my opinion is thus: Civilized Nations should NEVER deliberately target civilian populations, go on looting sprees, destroy the very food and housing that the civilians need to LIVE.
Yeah war is hell. Ask not just those of us from the South, but the so-called Native Americans (they weren't native, though they were the First Americans).
And I don't believe it was Sherman's brilliance that helped bring about the end of the war, it was the fact that he, like Grant, had many more troops than did the South. And unlike Grant, Sherman never really fought against a world class military intellect either. Wonder what he would have said had the South done to, say Michigan or Ohio, what he did to Georgia?
I was only a lowly rifleman so I will bow to your academic knowledge about war and especially about Sherman. But I was in combat (in Vietnam) and while that hardly qualifies me to lecture to you or anything,(and while I hold Sherman in low regard, that's not what I'm trying to do here) there is something about having been and done (and, in my case, not with any notable bravery, just did my job) than having just read about combat.
Well, the idea of 'total war' as exemplified by Sherman's March to the Sea (the Savannah campaign) or Sheridan's Shenandoah Valley campaign, can be morally conflicting.
I suppose the Pelopponesian War is the earliest example of total war that I can think of.
But the idea in the Civil War, in the Savannah campaign, was to deprive the South of transport (by burning the railroads), of military supplies (by taking food from warehouses) and to destroy the morale of civilian society.
I certainly don't mean to be pretentious at all mate, by listing my academic knowledge, I just meant to say that I hope to be able to comment on warfare.
But I'will certainly agree with you that being in combat qualifies much more to comment on the methods of warfare than ANY academic knowledge.
I have the highest respect for you and any other veterans, as I do for anyone else who has served in the military - or even given their financial or moral support to them military whether in Australia, the States or Israel.
I thank you very much for your comments on my service and I appreciate it.
I had a great deal of fun when I was an Infantry Officer and I still have a good time in the Reserve Forces. My time in full time service was by far the formative experience of my life and one of the most enjoyable.
On that note I'll be off for the evening but thank you to everyone who commented on my service: I think it's good to be back posting on LGF after many years without posting and it's good to know there's a website that still exists which is so pro-military service and which supports American and Australian and Israeli soldiers.
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realwest Wed, Jan 14, 2009 11:48:54pm |
re: #1208 aussieroddy
Hey, you weren't being pretentious and other than small unit tactics all I know about the military I learned from books too. I again thank you for your service and claim no special knowledge of warfare in general simply because I've been shot at and shot back (and on a couple of occasions got to shoot first!).
I enjoyed you analysis very much and hope you return to LGF soon - like tomorrow!
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Bill K. Thu, Jan 15, 2009 12:11:41am |
1085 Dark_Falcon
The problem is that many Israelis do not want that as their policy. Israel wants peace and dislikes killing. A high non-combatant casualty plan would be too unpopular to be implemented.
If this is really Israel's policy they have no business fighting a war. To fight a war you need to destroy the enemy's will to resist and be merciless about it. You do not engage in sadistic slaughter of the enemy for its own sake but you do not hesitate when you have him in your sights whether it be a rifle, a tank or a fleet of bombers. You do not prolong the war for bogus humanitarian concerns. You apply all necessary force to end the war as expeditiously as possible with the minimum number of casualties to your own armed forces.
#1164 Render
I think your concerns are about the same as Dark_Falcon's. There is a difference in warfare between being ruthless and being a blood thirsty sadist who enjoys killing. Destroying a Hamas truck in a crowd of civilians is not sadism. It is destroying the enemy no matter where he is or whatever means he thinks will deter your bombs. What is lost in much of this discussion is the civilian population of Gaza is also the enemy. They support the Hamas gunmen either materially or spiritually and are just as responsible for each rocket launched into Israel.
Because Israel is a small nation it must place a very high value on the lives of its soldiers. Under no circumstances should it ever sacrifice the life of one of its soldiers for the life of an enemy civilian. This would be extremely immoral. If an Israeli comes under fire from a building in Gaza, don't send a squad to route out the sniper; bomb the building flat. Paraphrasing the motto of the Canadian Mounties -- Never send a man where you can send a bomb.
General Sherman's quotes have found quite an audience tonight. One that is particularly apt in this conflict:
War is the remedy that our enemies have chosen, and I say let us give them all they want.
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Lukas Thu, Jan 15, 2009 3:26:07am |
Actually there are TV satellites beaming to the middle east with more than 100 porno channels. There nickname is "hot bird" if you want to look it up.
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Super-ego Thu, Jan 15, 2009 6:12:31am |
Amazing video and military skill.
I would be startled if the MSM picked this up and spread this kind of positive news about Israel.
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18Echo Thu, Jan 15, 2009 7:14:32am |
The first thing I thought of when I saw the video was the difference in the outcome if Hamas was controlling the missiles.
I'm really glad to see Israel out front on the PR war this time. It might not make a lot of difference, but at least you can find their side of the story and it makes it just a wee bit harder for the MSM to lie and distort the truth about the way Israel is fighting. (they still ignore the truth, but at least you can find it)
If Israel could get any sort of balanced coverage, the world would see the amazing efforts they go through to avoid civilian deaths and the professionalism of their soldiers.
*sigh* that is just not the story the MSM wants to tell. They'd rather run fake video and pray they don't get caught.
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