Shelled UN Building Used by Hamas

The media and the United Nations are screaming again today about an IDF attack on a UN compound; Ehud Olmert apparently apologized to the UN immediately after the incident, but now the IDF says Hamas was using the compound as a firing station.

Gunshots and an anti-tank missile were fired at IDF troops near the UN compound that was attacked by the IDF on Thursday, senior defense official told The Jerusalem Post.

Accordng to the officials, the IDF responded by firing artillery shells at the location of the gunmen and that the shells caused damage to the UN installations. At least three people were wounded and the building was set on fire.

The IDF’s Gaza Coordination and Liaison Administration coordinated the arrival of five fire trucks to the compound to help put out the flames.

UN Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon, in Israel Thursday to promote a cease-fire between Israel and Hamas, expressed “strong protest and outrage” at the reported shelling of the UN compound.

Ban also demanded an investigation into the shelling, and said Defense Minister Ehud Barak had told him it was a “grave mistake.”

Palestinians reported that an IDF tank shell also struck one of the wings of a Gaza hospital midday Thursday. Witnesses said part of the structure was on fire. The army said that the building was also being used by Hamas men who were firing on IDF troops.

UPDATE at 1/15/09 11:54:08 am:

MSNBC reports that the IDF came under fire with anti-tank weapons and machine guns from inside the UN compound.

Israel says it does not target U.N. buildings or personnel. But the Israeli officer said troops opened fire after militants inside the compound shot anti-tank weapons and machine guns. He said the troops used 155 mm artillery shells.

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176 comments
1 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Jan 15, 2009 8:40:51am

And the people shooting were probably on the UN payroll.

2 Nevergiveup  Thu, Jan 15, 2009 8:40:56am

Olmert should shut up

3 Pastorius  Thu, Jan 15, 2009 8:42:11am

Mornin'.

4 broomer  Thu, Jan 15, 2009 8:42:16am

On FoxNews the UNRWA guy was screaming that Israel blocked aid. And the reporter didn't even bother to challenge that lie!

5 jorline  Thu, Jan 15, 2009 8:42:17am

When fire upon...return fire and ask questions later!

6 DisturbedEma  Thu, Jan 15, 2009 8:42:20am

The UN? Outrage over IDF? Shocka!

UN installations? Used as cover for terrorists? Shocka!

And on the rockets that continue to fall on Israel from the piece parteners?

cue the crickets!

7 DisturbedEma  Thu, Jan 15, 2009 8:42:53am

re: #4 broomer

On FoxNews the UNRWA guy was screaming that Israel blocked aid. And the reporter didn't even bother to challenge that lie!

Blocked aid. . .and blew up the aid that was not in the building? WTF?

8 Sharmuta  Thu, Jan 15, 2009 8:43:10am
UN Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon, in Israel Thursday to promote a cease-fire between Israel and Hamas, expressed “strong protest and outrage” at the reported shelling of the UN compound

Where's the outrage at hamas?

9 Kenneth  Thu, Jan 15, 2009 8:43:15am

The UN has committed war crimes under the Geneva Conventions by allowing Hamas to use UN buildings in this manner.

10 the dajjal  Thu, Jan 15, 2009 8:44:07am

In the basement of that building is where I'd be looking for the Hamas leadership... wearing UN uniforms.

11 Sharmuta  Thu, Jan 15, 2009 8:44:08am

re: #9 Kenneth

The UN has committed war crimes under the Geneva Conventions by allowing Hamas to use UN buildings in this manner.

They'll have to write themselves a strongly worded letter.

12 Macker  Thu, Jan 15, 2009 8:44:10am

re: #9 Kenneth

Physician, Heal Thyself.

13 [deleted]  Thu, Jan 15, 2009 8:44:53am
14 Taqiyyotomist  Thu, Jan 15, 2009 8:45:02am

re: #9 Kenneth

"no controlling legal authority"

Who can bring the UN up on charges, and where?

15 jwb7605  Thu, Jan 15, 2009 8:45:10am

re: #11 Sharmuta

They'll have to write themselves a strongly worded letter.

Beat me to it! GMTA. upding.

16 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Thu, Jan 15, 2009 8:45:33am

Olmert's socks should be taken off and stuffed into his mouth.

17 Kenneth  Thu, Jan 15, 2009 8:45:36am

re: #8 Sharmuta

Where's the outrage at hamas?

"No biggie." -Ban-Kee Moon

18 Cognito  Thu, Jan 15, 2009 8:45:53am

I have no love for the UN, Charles, but I'm not sure this story actually says Hamas was in the UN building...

19 Kragar  Thu, Jan 15, 2009 8:46:09am

re: #1 Kosh's Shadow

And the people shooting were probably on the UN payroll.

Nope. The UN can't afford to pay its employees in Gaza. Hamas still can though.

20 jcm  Thu, Jan 15, 2009 8:46:10am

I hearby the IDF to New York City.

21 Diamond Bullet  Thu, Jan 15, 2009 8:46:22am

How many installations does the UN have in Gaza, anyway? Seems like they've cornered the real estate market.

22 Taqiyyotomist  Thu, Jan 15, 2009 8:46:28am

OMG.

23 jorline  Thu, Jan 15, 2009 8:46:45am

re: #5 jorline

When fire upon...return fire and ask questions later!

PIMF fired upon

24 solomonpanting  Thu, Jan 15, 2009 8:46:59am

The UN was merely doing its job--overseeing Hamas activities.

25 Sharmuta  Thu, Jan 15, 2009 8:47:04am

re: #18 Cognito

It also says the IDF fired at the gunmen, not the building.

26 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Jan 15, 2009 8:47:11am

re: #1 Kosh's Shadow

I should clarify, I don't think the UN is paying terrorists for their work as terrorists, but they have been known to hire Hamassholes for jobs such as running UN schools and work in warehouses, etc.

After all, how better to bring peace than to put the people who will not accept anything less than destruction of Israel in charge of teaching their youth about what peace means?
/

27 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jan 15, 2009 8:48:05am

re: #9 Kenneth

The UN has committed war crimes under the Geneva Conventions by allowing Hamas to use UN buildings in this manner.

Hey, Ban-Ki Moon was just playing on the roof at the time...

28 Cognito  Thu, Jan 15, 2009 8:48:16am

re: #25 Sharmuta

It also says the IDF fired at the gunmen, not the building.

Of course.

29 Silhouette  Thu, Jan 15, 2009 8:48:19am

The UN is either

1) Complicit. They are guilty, or
2) Impotent to stop terrorists and so should be withdrawn from the area, because they are accomplishing nothing.

We know it is (1), but even with all their best excuses, the only other option is (2), and they don't need to stay there another day.

30 jcm  Thu, Jan 15, 2009 8:48:36am

re: #18 Cognito

I have no love for the UN, Charles, but I'm not sure this story actually says Hamas was in the UN building...

..., the IDF responded by firing artillery shells at the location of the gunmen, causing damage to the UN installations...

The location of the gunmen, when hit, damaged the UN installation.

31 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Jan 15, 2009 8:48:43am

re: #5 jorline

When fire upon...return fire and ask questions later!

Indeed. Anti-Tank Guided Missiles (ATGMs) are no joke. A hit from an AT-4 (NATO reporting name 'Spigot') to the side or rear could destroy a Merkava. The Israelis can't afford to let the terrorists use any building as a firing platform.

32 DeafDog  Thu, Jan 15, 2009 8:48:45am

re: #23 jorline

PIMF fired upon

Correct. if one is aflame, it's best to put out the fire first, then return fire before asking questions.

:-)

33 Kragar  Thu, Jan 15, 2009 8:48:51am

re: #18 Cognito

I have no love for the UN, Charles, but I'm not sure this story actually says Hamas was in the UN building...

Said they engaged Hamas near the building with artillery. Kill radius for most artillery is rated at 100 meters. If the shells landed nearby, assume the building was hit.

34 jcm  Thu, Jan 15, 2009 8:48:53am

re: #20 jcm

I hearby the IDF to New York City.

PIMF invite.

35 akak  Thu, Jan 15, 2009 8:48:56am

UN lists itself on terror list

UN get out now, stop the occupation of NY

36 Nevergiveup  Thu, Jan 15, 2009 8:48:57am

re: #18 Cognito

I have no love for the UN, Charles, but I'm not sure this story actually says Hamas was in the UN building...

They are usually not IN the building, they are always just outside and around the building! Your not new to all this. It's the same story every time. Come on.

37 experiencedtraveller  Thu, Jan 15, 2009 8:49:08am

“when someone hits me, I’m going to unload on the boy. And if the rest of the world doesn’t understand that, then I’m sorry.”

-Wurzelbacher.

38 VegasRick  Thu, Jan 15, 2009 8:49:13am

re: #18 Cognito

I have no love for the UN, Charles, but I'm not sure this story actually says Hamas was in the UN building...

According to the officials, the IDF responded by firing artillery shells at the location of the gunmen, causing damage to the UN installations

39 loppyd  Thu, Jan 15, 2009 8:49:35am

re: #18 Cognito

I have no love for the UN, Charles, but I'm not sure this story actually says Hamas was in the UN building...

Accordng to the officials, the IDF responded by firing artillery shells at the location of the gunmen and that the shells caused damage to the UN installations. At least three people were wounded and the building was set on fire.

It sounds like the IDF returned fire towards the gunmen. Hamas intentionally sets up positions near these buildings.

40 Sharmuta  Thu, Jan 15, 2009 8:50:25am

re: #28 Cognito

So what's the problem?

41 jwb7605  Thu, Jan 15, 2009 8:50:51am

re: #18 Cognito

I have no love for the UN, Charles, but I'm not sure this story actually says Hamas was in the UN building...

It doesn't say they were actually in the building -

Gunshots and an anti-tank missile were fired at IDF troops near the UN compound that was attacked by the IDF on Thursday, senior defense officials told The Jerusalem Post.

IDF pushing deeper into Gaza City

According to the officials, the IDF responded by firing artillery shells at the location of the gunmen, causing damage to the UN installations. At least three people were wounded in the attack and the building was set on fire.


why no press outrage at this part?

Palestinian reports said that the IDF hit a multi-story media building that houses several media outlets, including Reuters, Al Arabiya and the BBC. Witnesses said that a Qatari journalist was wounded and that the building was evacuated.

Defense officials said Hamas operatives had barricaded themselves inside the press office in Gaza, and were using people there as human shields. There were 23 people inside, said the officials.

42 VegasRick  Thu, Jan 15, 2009 8:51:07am

re: #40 Sharmuta

So what's the problem?

Cog being Cog.

43 yma o hyd  Thu, Jan 15, 2009 8:51:19am

re: #4 broomer

On FoxNews the UNRWA guy was screaming that Israel blocked aid. And the reporter didn't even bother to challenge that lie!

From Aussie Dave:

'2:35PM: Israeli newspaper Yediot Aharonot has quoted an Italian newspaper reporter in Gaza as saying “One thing seems clear. There is no lack of food and there is no hunger.”

D’uh!'

44 Dave the.....  Thu, Jan 15, 2009 8:51:20am

Lopp

It sounds like the IDF returned fire towards the gunmen. Hamas intentionally sets up positions near these buildings.

SOP for them. They are marketing gurus. It reminds me of anarchist kids in America. Provoke or try to attack policemen. Then film the police response and cry "police brutality".

45 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Jan 15, 2009 8:51:20am

re: #19 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Nope. The UN can't afford to pay its employees in Gaza. Hamas still can though.

So where is all that UNWRA money going? Or are Hamas bullies robbing it from the UN paymasters in the shcoolyard?

46 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Jan 15, 2009 8:51:22am

re: #18 Cognito

I have no love for the UN, Charles, but I'm not sure this story actually says Hamas was in the UN building...

Cognito, you're nit-picking again. This is war reporting, not an English class. I respect your opinions and your analysis, but don't get bogged down in minutia.

47 Elcid  Thu, Jan 15, 2009 8:52:17am

re: #29 Silhouette

The UN is either

1) Complicit. They are guilty, or
2) Impotent to stop terrorists and so should be withdrawn from the area, because they are accomplishing nothing.

We know it is (1), but even with all their best excuses, the only other option is (2), and they don't need to stay there another day.

Same story in Africa and/or every where this organization parasitically attached itself.

48 Bloodnok  Thu, Jan 15, 2009 8:52:23am

re: #18 Cognito

I have no love for the UN, Charles, but I'm not sure this story actually says Hamas was in the UN building...

"Take this thread to Cuba!"

49 Silhouette  Thu, Jan 15, 2009 8:52:32am

Violations of sanctuary?

UN compound?
Check.
Schools?
Check.
Hospitals?

Palestinians reported that an IDF tank shell also struck one of the wings of a Gaza hospital midday Thursday. Witnesses said part of the structure was on fire. The army said that the building was being used by Hamas men who were firing on IDF troops.

Check.
The press as human shields?

Defense officials said Hamas operatives had barricaded themselves inside the press office in Gaza, and were using people there as human shields. There were 23 people inside, said the officials.

Check.
Mosques?
Check.

50 jwb7605  Thu, Jan 15, 2009 8:52:43am

re: #46 Dark_Falcon

Cognito, you're nit-picking again. This is war reporting, not an English class. I respect your opinions and your analysis, but don't get bogged down in minutia.

The quagmire! Cog is creating the quagmire! Everybody upding Cog!

51 bellamags  Thu, Jan 15, 2009 8:53:14am

re: #4 broomer

On FoxNews the UNRWA guy was screaming that Israel blocked aid. And the reporter didn't even bother to challenge that lie!

I have lost faith in the only "unbiased" TV news source. They don't challenge anything but I think it is oversight and not intentional most of the time. GET ON THE BALL FOX!

52 jorline  Thu, Jan 15, 2009 8:53:15am

re: #36 Nevergiveup

They are usually not IN the building, they are always just outside and around the building! Your not new to all this. It's the same story every time. Come on.

Agree...
The UN building probably has a no smoking ordinance and since most UN personnel are Euros most were outside smoke a cig.
//

53 solomonpanting  Thu, Jan 15, 2009 8:53:24am

re: #18 Cognito

I have no love for the UN, Charles, but I'm not sure this story actually says Hamas was in the UN building...

So if Hamas was ten feet away, does that matter?

54 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Jan 15, 2009 8:53:29am

re: #43 yma o hyd

From Aussie Dave:

'2:35PM: Israeli newspaper Yediot Aharonot has quoted an Italian newspaper reporter in Gaza as saying “One thing seems clear. There is no lack of food and there is no hunger.”

D’uh!'

That Italian reporter will now be expelled from Gaza. The Palestinians don't like reporters reporting the truth.

55 godfrey  Thu, Jan 15, 2009 8:53:31am

re: #41 jwb7605

why no press outrage at this part?

What, and give up access to the "Hamas point of view"?

56 Kragar  Thu, Jan 15, 2009 8:53:48am

re: #46 Dark_Falcon

Cognito, you're nit-picking again. This is war reporting, not an English class. I respect your opinions and your analysis, but don't get bogged down in minutia.

Hamas was using the proximity of the building as a defense against the IDF. When the IDF engaged with artillery, the UN building was in the blast area. Therefore, the statement "Shelled UN Building USED by Hamas" is accurate.

57 Kenneth  Thu, Jan 15, 2009 8:53:48am

re: #18 Cognito

The article does mention Hamas gunmen using 2 UN cars to fire upon IDF troops. And we have all seen the videos of Hamas using UN supplied ambulances to transport fighters & weapons.

58 prince of dorkness  Thu, Jan 15, 2009 8:53:58am

Root them out from wherever the vermin are hiding, and exterminate them.

59 pat  Thu, Jan 15, 2009 8:54:12am

The UN Palestinian sections have been long compromised. Their mission goals are entirely sympathetic to Hamas, the are manned by volunteers who have unique political views, and they are the source of much of the medical and food aid that Hamas receives. They are on a first name basis with terror.

60 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Jan 15, 2009 8:54:13am

re: #48 Bloodnok

"Take this thread to Cuba!"

Take the whole f*ing UN to Cuba.

61 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Jan 15, 2009 8:55:12am

re: #41 jwb7605

Well, I woulds suspect that reporters are human shields most Israeli soldiers would love to fire on. The IDF probably has a pretty fierce dislike of the foreign press, even if they don't give voice to it.

62 jwb7605  Thu, Jan 15, 2009 8:55:15am

re: #59 pat

The UN Palestinian sections have been long compromised. Their mission goals are entirely sympathetic to Hamas, the are manned by volunteers who have unique political views, and they are the source of much of the medical and food aid that Hamas receives. They are on a first name basis with terror.

Unique is not the term I've been searching for, but nice try!

63 lifeofthemind  Thu, Jan 15, 2009 8:55:25am

Good Morning

Israel should insist on every UN passport holder in Gaza being escorted out with the full glare of publicity, a "perp walk" after they seize the UNRWA HQ and start sifting the evidence. UNRWA should be shut down in any area under Israeli control.

64 CIA Reject  Thu, Jan 15, 2009 8:55:56am
"Hamas was using the compound as a firing station."

Once again I get to quote Gomer Pyle:

"Well, SURPRISE! SURPRISE! SURPRISE!"

Seriously though, when I first heard this reported on "Naked Propaganda Radio" (NPR) as "Israel fires on UN compound!" I bet myself twenty bucks that the reason for the incident was that HamasNiks were hiding among the UN people and shooting at the IDF.

Looks like I won the bet!

65 Kenneth  Thu, Jan 15, 2009 8:56:23am

#18 Cognito

From the article:

Palestinians reported that an IDF tank shell also struck one of the wings of a Gaza hospital midday Thursday. Witnesses said part of the structure was on fire. The army said that the building was being used by Hamas men who were firing on IDF troops.

That sounds to me like Hamas was in the building.

66 Spare O'Lake  Thu, Jan 15, 2009 8:56:29am

UNRWA is based in Gaza.
Almost all of the staff are Palestinian Arab Hamas or Hamas cronies.
It is a corrupt, anti-Israeli UN agency.
Does anyone seriously doubt that UNRWA's assets are at the disposal of Hamas in the current war?
Screw them.

67 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Thu, Jan 15, 2009 8:56:44am

re: #18 Cognito

I have no love for the UN, Charles, but I'm not sure this story actually says Hamas was in the UN building...

I updinged this because Cog has a point -- a very nit-picky one, but a point.

Cog, I left the upding in place even after noticing that Charles' post refers to "compound" and your comment uses the word "building". You were not on quite the same page.

68 Cognito  Thu, Jan 15, 2009 8:56:45am

re: #39 loppyd

It sounds like the IDF returned fire towards the gunmen. Hamas intentionally sets up positions near these buildings.

No doubt. And if that's what Charles means by Hamas "using" the UN's building, then so be it; but that's no where near the level of complicity some readers are inferring.

(And for the record: I really, really despise the UN. They've damaged human rights around the world far more than they've even contemplated advancing it.)

69 Opinionated  Thu, Jan 15, 2009 8:57:37am

There were more then 1200 posts on the thread where most posters congratulated Israel for its humanity and morality for not firing on a truck loaded with missiles because civilians might have been hurt.

Civilians were hurt. A child too. Some Seriously.

Today in Israel.

Six wounded as Grads hit Beersheba

A boy and a woman were seriously wounded and four others sustained lighter injuries in Beersheba Thursday afternoon when two Grad rockets fired by Gaza terrorists hit the city. One of the rockets scored a direct hit on a car.

[Link: www.jpost.com...]

Can anyone tell me that the rocket fired on Israel today was not the exact rocket that was on that truck that Israel allowed to survive. Did they spare Arabs to harm Jews later.

The UN compounds, Mosques, Hospitals, whatever, it doesn't matter, if they are part of the barbarian's terrorist effort destroy them totally. Better them then innocents in Israel.

And that should go for the rest of Western civilization too- if we want to survive.

70 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jan 15, 2009 8:57:44am

re: #60 Kosh's Shadow

Take the whole f*ing UN to Cuba.

Heh. Yep, they'd be a lot happier there.

71 jemima  Thu, Jan 15, 2009 8:57:50am

I am reluctant to get into parsing this headline. My translation is that Hamas was using the building as a shield, believing the IDF would not fire on their position so close to that building (or a hospital, same thing, same horrid mindset of Hamas). Cog is right the article doesn't say Hamas was *in* the building. But Charles didn't say Hamas was *in* the building either, just using it, Charles took the headline from the headline as it appeared on the page.
And AFAIC I said too much already.

72 yma o hyd  Thu, Jan 15, 2009 8:57:55am

re: #54 Kosh's Shadow

That Italian reporter will now be expelled from Gaza. The Palestinians don't like reporters reporting the truth.

I understand h went in with the IDF - he's probably back in israel now - ought to be safe from the hamasthugs.

From other moonbats - not so much ...

73 Guanxi88  Thu, Jan 15, 2009 8:57:55am

re: #10 the dajjal

In the basement of that building is where I'd be looking for the Hamas leadership... wearing UN uniforms.

In the basement, you think? Seems to me that such high-value members of the organization would be front-office. A corner office offers excellent visibility and fire direction.

74 Silhouette  Thu, Jan 15, 2009 8:58:04am

Remember the shot of the UN peacekeepes showing obedience to Hezb'allah by saluting them. (You salute your superiors, right?)

And then the shot of the UN having tea with Hezb'allah.

They are not neutral third parties. The UN is the enemy, by their own choice.

75 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jan 15, 2009 8:58:13am

re: #65 Kenneth

#18 Cognito

From the article:


That sounds to me like Hamas was in the building.

"Elvis Hamas has left the building."

76 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Thu, Jan 15, 2009 8:58:14am

re: #65 Kenneth

#18 Cognito

From the article:
That sounds to me like Hamas was in the building.

Nope, Kenneth.

Cog was talking about the UN compound/building, not the hospital.

77 DisturbedEma  Thu, Jan 15, 2009 8:58:16am

re: #25 Sharmuta

It also says the IDF fired at the gunmen, not the building.

Fighting a battle of wits with a witless Cog of the MSM. . .rage on, but remember Cog is the VAPID PROCLAIMER!

with the power to deflect any calls for validation for positions held, and also to divert conversations away from matters of substance to a laughable degree. . . ."I was only pointing out that is what I thins doesn't mean is all the . . ." or something equally as concise. . .

78 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Jan 15, 2009 8:58:21am

re: #68 Cognito

No doubt. And if that's what Charles means by Hamas "using" the UN's building, then so be it; but that's no where near the level of complicity some readers are inferring.

(And for the record: I really, really despise the UN. They've damaged human rights around the world far more than they've even contemplated advancing it.)

Thank you, Cog. That helps clear things up.

(Moving on to the next thread.)

79 akak  Thu, Jan 15, 2009 8:58:28am

what's missing? umm e v a c u a t i o n what do you got PROPAGAZA

80 Cognito  Thu, Jan 15, 2009 8:58:52am

re: #46 Dark_Falcon

Cognito, you're nit-picking again. This is war reporting, not an English class. I respect your opinions and your analysis, but don't get bogged down in minutia.

To me it's not a matter of minutia. If Hamas was working from within a UN installation with the UN's cooperation, that's reason for instantly dismantling the UN there, in my opinion. Something I'd be keen to see happen anyway.

81 Taqiyyotomist  Thu, Jan 15, 2009 8:59:36am

Headline is a quote. 'Shelled UN Building Used by Hamas'

Cognito is right, my OMG retracted.

Nowhere in the article does the quote appear, nor does the article explicitly (or even obliquely) state what is stated in the headline. Unless they count on the reader to know that Hamas, by being near the UN compound, was 'using' it. I believe this is the case, but the article does not make that plain at all. Of course firing from near the building IS using the building, just as firing from near a school with class in session IS using the school, or firing from near a hospital IS using the hospital. We know this, because we know Hamas and the M.O. of Hamas. It would have been more clear had the author explained the M.O. of Hamas. The article also does not explain who spoke the quote in the headline. We can assume that one of the "IDF Officials" mentioned in the story as sources spoke it, but the author assumes that the reader needs no explanations for anything. I really hate it when the headline does not match the article, or when the headline is not supported by the article. The only thing which supports the headline is facts that we know without reference to the article.

82 SFGoth  Thu, Jan 15, 2009 8:59:50am

Why do we have to subcontract?

83 DisturbedEma  Thu, Jan 15, 2009 8:59:59am

re: #46 Dark_Falcon

Cognito, you're nit-picking again. This is war reporting, not an English class. I respect your opinions and your analysis, but don't get bogged down in minutia.

The VAPID PROCLAIMER strikes again, and claims another linguistic chew toy to play with. . .let it go, unles you can stomach posting to someone who can/does rival Bill Clinton for truth/fact/validation contortions. . .

84 jcm  Thu, Jan 15, 2009 9:00:27am

This the typical Hamas tactic.

Set up a firing point in or near a protected location, close enough that when the IDF returns fire the protected location is hit, or damaged.

The UN school last week is a case in point. The news is the IDF hit the school killing 30. What's not widely reported is that Hamas was using the school as a pre-programmed firing point.

The intent of Hamas is clear, draw IDF firing in the hopes of a protected location being hit. Then counting on the media to report the protected location being hit by the IDF.

The war crime is that on the part of Hamas using protected location as firing points.

The media encourages these war crimes by Hamas falling for the propaganda of Hamas and reporting the IDF reaction, and not the Hamas criminal provocation.

85 [deleted]  Thu, Jan 15, 2009 9:00:31am
86 Wendya  Thu, Jan 15, 2009 9:01:44am

Leftists just don't "get it". If you fire rockets and mortars from the top of a UN building, a hospital, school, apartment building, etc... Those sites lose any protection from attack they may have had. Any deaths that result are the responsibility of the assholes firing rockets from the roof, not those who are responding to an attack. If the UN wants to allow Hamas to use their compounds to wage war, they have sided with Hamas and have made themselves a legitimate target.

87 Sharmuta  Thu, Jan 15, 2009 9:02:00am

re: #81 Taqiyyotomist

Cog's barking up the wrong tree is all that means. He should go nit-pic at the Jerusalem Post.

88 FrogMarch  Thu, Jan 15, 2009 9:02:00am

The UN and the Nazi- Hamas are bedfellows.

89 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jan 15, 2009 9:02:16am

re: #85 buzzsawmonkey

That's a pack of self-subservient Zionist honco lies!

90 reine.de.tout  Thu, Jan 15, 2009 9:02:35am
91 Taqiyyotomist  Thu, Jan 15, 2009 9:02:42am

re: #41 jwb7605

"Defense officials said Hamas operatives had barricaded themselves inside the press office in Gaza, and were using people there as human shields. There were 23 people inside, said the officials. "

Where is the "press office in Gaza"? Is it inside the UN building? This author and the editor need to go back to J-school.

92 Wendya  Thu, Jan 15, 2009 9:02:48am

re: #18 Cognito

I have no love for the UN, Charles, but I'm not sure this story actually says Hamas was in the UN building...

It says Hamas was in the UN compound. For all intents and purposes, it's the same thing.

93 [deleted]  Thu, Jan 15, 2009 9:03:14am
94 loppyd  Thu, Jan 15, 2009 9:03:26am

re: #44 Dave the.....

Lopp

SOP for them. They are marketing gurus. It reminds me of anarchist kids in America. Provoke or try to attack policemen. Then film the police response and cry "police brutality".

Thus creating a lose-lose situation for the IDF.

What is so difficult about this concept for the MSM and Euro-Weenies to comprehend?

95 J.S.  Thu, Jan 15, 2009 9:04:45am

re: #18 Cognito

I have no love for the UN, Charles, but I'm not sure this story actually says Hamas was in the UN building...

Obviously, the story does NOT say that HAMAS was "in the UN building" nor does Charles. Get your facts straight, please.

96 loppyd  Thu, Jan 15, 2009 9:05:11am

re: #68 Cognito

No doubt. And if that's what Charles means by Hamas "using" the UN's building, then so be it; but that's no where near the level of complicity some readers are inferring.

(And for the record: I really, really despise the UN. They've damaged human rights around the world far more than they've even contemplated advancing it.)

The headline should read "Shelled UN Building Used by Hamas as protective cover"

97 DisturbedEma  Thu, Jan 15, 2009 9:05:15am

re: #71 jemima

I am reluctant to get into parsing this headline. My translation is that Hamas was using the building as a shield, believing the IDF would not fire on their position so close to that building (or a hospital, same thing, same horrid mindset of Hamas). Cog is right the article doesn't say Hamas was *in* the building. But Charles didn't say Hamas was *in* the building either, just using it, Charles took the headline from the headline as it appeared on the page.
And AFAIC I said too much already.

Yep- and again, the Vapid Proclaimer wins. . .by default. . .because if you nitpick enough, you can go from moral to moral relativity in a single thread!

VP- If you are really that obtuse, I am sad for you- but if you are really under the impression that in combat, when you are under fire, and you are able to return fire to save your life, and you really think anyone IDF or otherwise stops to consider 'hey that is a UN building! I must be mistaken in where that attack is coming from. Stand down, those are un shots being fired, probably at hamas. . ."

98 Opinionated  Thu, Jan 15, 2009 9:05:16am

re: #85 buzzsawmonkey

Therefore, the UN's outrage is wholly misplaced.

No it's not.

You're assuming the UN is objective and is mis-analysing the situation.

The UN is not objective.

The UN- as a body- is determined that Israel be destroyed. And with that aim in mind, it is [only] outraged when Israel acts in any way that may allow Israel to live another day.

99 sneezey  Thu, Jan 15, 2009 9:05:28am

Why does the UN allow Hamas to use their buildings in Gaza? Furthermore, why are there so many damn UN buildings there?

100 [deleted]  Thu, Jan 15, 2009 9:05:50am
101 jwb7605  Thu, Jan 15, 2009 9:05:54am

re: #91 Taqiyyotomist

"Defense officials said Hamas operatives had barricaded themselves inside the press office in Gaza, and were using people there as human shields. There were 23 people inside, said the officials. "

Where is the "press office in Gaza"? Is it inside the UN building? This author and the editor need to go back to J-school.

I don't know. Maybe they do need to back to J-school, maybe not?
Let me think about revising that last sentence ...

102 Kenneth  Thu, Jan 15, 2009 9:06:04am

UNRWA's website.

It is not a neutral organization.

103 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Jan 15, 2009 9:06:06am

re: #83 DisturbedEma

The VAPID PROCLAIMER strikes again, and claims another linguistic chew toy to play with. . .let it go, unles you can stomach posting to someone who can/does rival Bill Clinton for truth/fact/validation contortions. . .

I have not found that to be true about Cognito. However, you and I have different view about the man so I suggest we agree to disagree about him and leave it at that.

104 Old Guy  Thu, Jan 15, 2009 9:06:07am

Being an old guy, I don't get around much anymore. So, could someone inform me if the MSM (or any one at the UN) has ever mentioned that perhaps the hamas shoudn't use civilians as shields; keep weapons in heavily populated neighborhoods, churches, etc, and not fire rockets for eight years on children and civilians in Israel? I mean does the world look at hamas as a bunch of fun-loving guys/pranksters?
Also, what the hell is a palestinian? I mean where is the country of palestine?
Excuse my ignorance. Thank you.

P.S. The Arab world, Norway and the UN should be thankful that I am not the potus!

105 reine.de.tout  Thu, Jan 15, 2009 9:06:42am

re: #99 sneezey

Why does the UN allow Hamas to use their buildings in Gaza? Furthermore, why are there so many damn UN buildings there?

Here ya go.

106 [deleted]  Thu, Jan 15, 2009 9:07:25am
107 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Jan 15, 2009 9:07:26am

re: #102 Kenneth

UNRWA's website.

It is not a neutral organization.

Agreed. We should close any offices they have in the US for funding terrorism.

108 DisturbedEma  Thu, Jan 15, 2009 9:07:47am

re: #100 ploome hineni

and you know this how?

Depends what you mean by "know". . .you have been warned- wasted words and reasoning on this one. . .

disengage, SAVE YOURSELF!

:)

109 Taqiyyotomist  Thu, Jan 15, 2009 9:09:34am

re: #96 loppyd

The headline should read "Shelled UN Building Used by Hamas as protective cover"

EXACTLY.

110 uncc_compman  Thu, Jan 15, 2009 9:10:01am

Anyone catch this?

"The statement added that the electrical grid in the Gaza Strip was functioning at 74% capacity, up from 40% at the beginning of the operation.

Lerner said the state of the electrical supply was "a direct result of the coordination between the IDF, the Palestinian Energy Authority and the International Committee of the Red Cross." "

So basically it takes the IDF fighting a war to help Gazans, since Hamas won't do it themselves. Maybe this is a new reason for operations. More proof that the IDF cares more about the civilians in Gaza than Hamas does.

111 reine.de.tout  Thu, Jan 15, 2009 9:10:06am

re: #68 Cognito

No doubt. And if that's what Charles means by Hamas "using" the UN's building, then so be it; but that's no where near the level of complicity some readers are inferring.

(And for the record: I really, really despise the UN. They've damaged human rights around the world far more than they've even contemplated advancing it.)

UNWRA - Hamas connections

112 [deleted]  Thu, Jan 15, 2009 9:10:13am
113 jwb7605  Thu, Jan 15, 2009 9:10:42am

re: #104 Old Guy

Being an old guy, I don't get around much anymore. So, could someone inform me if the MSM (or any one at the UN) has ever mentioned that perhaps the hamas shoudn't use civilians as shields; keep weapons in heavily populated neighborhoods, churches, etc, and not fire rockets for eight years on children and civilians in Israel? I mean does the world look at hamas as a bunch of fun-loving guys/pranksters?
Also, what the hell is a palestinian? I mean where is the country of palestine?
Excuse my ignorance. Thank you.

P.S. The Arab world, Norway and the UN should be thankful that I am not the potus!


Gaza is so densely populated that there is no other place to store the defensive rockets and mortars.
I know that, because I read many fact-checked articles decrying the deplorable humanitarian conditions in the concentration camp called Gaza.
All of that has been created solely by the Zionists.
/ <--

114 [deleted]  Thu, Jan 15, 2009 9:10:45am
115 Opinionated  Thu, Jan 15, 2009 9:11:28am

re: #18 Cognito

I have no love for the UN, Charles, but I'm not sure this story actually says Hamas was in the UN building...

You must have missed all the rallies where they shout that "we are all Hamas".

I take them at their word.

Who do you think the UN hires to work in Gaza? The only question is whether the UN actively recruits at the Hamas rallies or they just passively accept Hamas applications.

116 J.S.  Thu, Jan 15, 2009 9:11:41am

re: #92 Wendya

I need a quote from the article above which states that HAMAS was "in the building" -- where is that quote? Provide it.

117 [deleted]  Thu, Jan 15, 2009 9:11:50am
118 Taqiyyotomist  Thu, Jan 15, 2009 9:11:54am

re: #114 ploome hineni

{ploome}! I would love to know what you got deleted for last night. Unfortunately I probably never will.

119 reine.de.tout  Thu, Jan 15, 2009 9:12:03am

re: #112 ploome hineni

everytime I hear that I want to DESTROY SOMETHING

Israel should stop that apologizing before the fact immediately

I agree.
But read further here.

That link provides a collection of articles about UNWRA's connections with Hamas.

120 albusteve  Thu, Jan 15, 2009 9:14:02am

thread whore....

121 Taqiyyotomist  Thu, Jan 15, 2009 9:14:08am

re: #116 J.S.

I need a quote from the article above which states that HAMAS was "in the building" -- where is that quote? Provide it.

It is not there. Unless, of course, that press office is inside the building. The author leaves us no clues. The author assumes that the entire world knows what Hamas "Uses" buildings for, and how. Yes, we know, here in the land of Reason. The average reader does not.

122 Kenneth  Thu, Jan 15, 2009 9:14:24am

The wording of the article changed from earlier this morning: (as quoted at Israel Matzav):

The IDF on Thursday afternoon said that the army ordered an artillery shelling of the UNRWA building in Gaza only after a Givati Brigade force came under anti-tank fire from within the building. Channel 10 reported that artillery pieces situated outside the Strip pounded the building.

Then the update version at jpost.com:

Gunshots and an anti-tank missile were fired at IDF troops near the UN compound that was attacked by the IDF on Thursday, senior defense officials told The Jerusalem Post.

According to the officials, the IDF responded by firing artillery shells at the location of the gunmen, causing damage to the UN installations. At least three people were wounded in the attack and the building was set on fire.

Which is it?

123 [deleted]  Thu, Jan 15, 2009 9:14:26am
124 solomonpanting  Thu, Jan 15, 2009 9:14:33am
Following the 1948 Arab-Israeli conflict, UNRWA, the United Nations Relief and Works Agency for Palestine Refugees in the Near East, was established by United Nations General Assembly resolution 302 (IV) of 8 December 1949 to carry out direct relief and works programmes for Palestine refugees.

Seems as though the only works programs are those that involve attacking Israel.
The UN is merely doing its job--overseeing Hamas activities.

125 Kenneth  Thu, Jan 15, 2009 9:14:58am

re: #117 buzzsawmonkey

Interesting history!

126 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Jan 15, 2009 9:15:58am

re: #107 Dark_Falcon

Agreed. We should close any offices they have in the US for funding terrorism.

We should allow Israel to sue the UN for the terrorism they supported, in US court. Freeze all UN assets until the suit is settled.
And try all the UNWRA people for terrorism and war crimes.

127 Taqiyyotomist  Thu, Jan 15, 2009 9:16:15am

re: #122 Kenneth

The wording of the article changed from earlier this morning: (as quoted at Israel Matzav):

Which is it?

Nice catch. The morphability of breaking news.

128 Guanxi88  Thu, Jan 15, 2009 9:17:54am

re: #126 Kosh's Shadow

We should allow Israel to sue the UN for the terrorism they supported, in US court. Freeze all UN assets until the suit is settled.

If I'm not mistaken, those assets consist chiefly of unpaid parking tickets, over-drawn lines of credit with two dozen escort services, and some pennies gathered by moonbat spawn at Halloween. Not much worth taking.

Nice real estate in Manhattan, though. Might be worth a try.

129 itellu3times  Thu, Jan 15, 2009 9:18:21am

OK, but who is launching artillery shells at Bank of America stock price?

Ugh.

130 lawrior  Thu, Jan 15, 2009 9:18:37am

"Ban also demanded an investigation into the shelling, and said Defense Minister Ehud Barak had told him it was a “grave mistake.”"

Indeed, it was a grave mistake to wait this long to clear out that enclave of hypocritical and dangerous liars. Double for the Palestinians.

131 akak  Thu, Jan 15, 2009 9:18:45am
Cognito

I have no love for the UN, Charles, but I'm not sure this story actually says Hamas was in the UN building...

But it could!

/jihad off

132 Kenneth  Thu, Jan 15, 2009 9:18:45am

re: #124 solomonpanting

Following the 1948 Arab-Israeli conflict, UNRWA, the United Nations Relief and Works Agency for Palestine Refugees in the Near East, was established by United Nations General Assembly resolution 302 (IV) of 8 December 1949 to carry out direct relief and works programmes for Palestine refugees.

Seems as though the only works programs are those that involve attacking Israel.
The UN is merely doing its job--overseeing Hamas activities.

In 1949, the term "Palestinian" referred only to the territory and not to any one population group. Both Arabs & Jews were called "Palestinians". It was not until the late 1950's that Arafat started to use the term "Palestinians" to refer exclusively to Arabs of that territory. The term only gained widespread use in that meaning after 1967.

133 Picayune  Thu, Jan 15, 2009 9:23:06am

re: #60 Kosh's Shadow

Take the whole f*ing UN to Cuba.


And be quick about it!

This incident must be completely investigated (Cognito), because, if it is true that Moon et al is allowing Hamas to use UN installations in Gaza to promote it's terror agenda against the "Minor Satan", then call Homeland Security to sweep the UN headquarters facilities in NYC now for terrorist personnel/weapons - before they can be deployed here against the "Greater Satan" ( their words, not mine).

This incident in war portends a serious issue for UN-USA relations, and Hamas has lit this fuse. Let the chips fall where they may.

Demand accurate MSM coverage on this matter, and a complete investigation, Now. We may have huge exposure here, if the UN, or its agents, is in any way complicit in these attacks today.

Waiting.............

134 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Jan 15, 2009 9:24:23am

re: #128 Guanxi88

If I'm not mistaken, those assets consist chiefly of unpaid parking tickets, over-drawn lines of credit with two dozen escort services, and some pennies gathered by moonbat spawn at Halloween. Not much worth taking.

Nice real estate in Manhattan, though. Might be worth a try.

I figure the real estate, and all the fancy furniture must be worth something.
And if Israel can get access to the numbered Swiss bank accounts of current and past big-shits of the UN, they should do very well.

135 Wendya  Thu, Jan 15, 2009 9:24:43am

re: #116 J.S.

I need a quote from the article above which states that HAMAS was "in the building" -- where is that quote? Provide it.

Since this was a UN organization, I can guarantee Hamas has been trotting in and out of that building since they took power. Now whether or not they were firing from IN THE BUILDING is immaterial. It doesn't matter if they were firing from on or in the building, from within the walls of the compound or from directly adjacent to the walls outside the compound. Hamas made that facility a target and the UN officials knew they were firing and using them as cover. Instead of excoriating Hamas, they point the finger at Israel. This isn't a movie or a video game and actions have consequences.

136 akak  Thu, Jan 15, 2009 9:25:18am

re: #133 Picayune

And be quick about it!

This incident must be completely investigated (Cognito), because, if it is true that Moon et al is allowing Hamas to use UN installations in Gaza to promote it's terror agenda against the "Minor Satan", then call Homeland Security to sweep the UN headquarters facilities in NYC now for terrorist personnel/weapons - before they can be deployed here against the "Greater Satan" ( their words, not mine).

This incident in war portends a serious issue for UN-USA relations, and Hamas has lit this fuse. Let the chips fall where they may.

Demand accurate MSM coverage on this matter, and a complete investigation, Now. We may have huge exposure here, if the UN, or its agents, is in any way complicit in these attacks today.

Waiting.............

Don't worry Shrillary will smart them into stopping.

137 Taqiyyotomist  Thu, Jan 15, 2009 9:27:18am

re: #133 Picayune

Not only this incident. Who was driving the troop-carriers that look like exact replicas of UN/Red Crescent ambulances? My guess? UN workers. I believe that if and when the truth comes out, we'll see that the UN is aiding the actual fighting, in more ways than we've yet discussed or seen.

138 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Jan 15, 2009 9:31:08am

re: #137 Taqiyyotomist

Not only this incident. Who was driving the troop-carriers that look like exact replicas of UN/Red Crescent ambulances? My guess? UN workers. I believe that if and when the truth comes out, we'll see that the UN is aiding the actual fighting, in more ways than we've yet discussed or seen.

They did nothing about the kidnapping of Israeli soldiers via Lebanon, and refused to turn over any evidence they had. And they claimed the UN vehicles used were hijacked.
They're either useless or on the wrong side. I think the latter; they'll claim the former.
In either case, they should be getting NO more money from the West. Let the Arabs fund it.
But hold them responsible for their actions.

139 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Jan 15, 2009 9:32:58am

re: #138 Kosh's Shadow

They did nothing about the kidnapping of Israeli soldiers via Lebanon, and refused to turn over any evidence they had. And they claimed the UN vehicles used were hijacked.
They're either useless or on the wrong side. I think the latter; they'll claim the former.
In either case, they should be getting NO more money from the West. Let the Arabs fund it.
But hold them responsible for their actions.

And kick them out of New York. Give the UN complex to Donald Trump and let him build something useful there.

140 lifeofthemind  Thu, Jan 15, 2009 9:36:43am

re: #139 Dark_Falcon

And kick them out of New York. Give the UN complex to Donald Trump and let him build something useful there.

I wanted to move them to Governor's Island, think about it.

141 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Jan 15, 2009 9:37:11am

re: #139 Dark_Falcon

And kick them out of New York. Give the UN complex to Donald Trump and let him build something useful there.

I think the UN building should be a museum for all the failures of the UN - Rwanda, Sebrenica, etc. If there is enough room in the building.

142 Guanxi88  Thu, Jan 15, 2009 9:39:13am

re: #141 Kosh's Shadow

I think the UN building should be a museum for all the failures of the UN - Rwanda, Sebrenica, etc. If there is enough room in the building.

Naah, I like letting Trump manage and develop it. Think of it - over-proced, really tacky condos over a combination casino/ fancy house. Sort of like what they have now, only with condos and better parking.

143 [deleted]  Thu, Jan 15, 2009 9:39:39am
144 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Jan 15, 2009 9:42:21am

re: #143 Iron Fist

To be fair, you have to admit that while the UN is supporting sex slavery in Africa, they haven't come out with an official position on cannibalism. Just because they never squawked when Idi Amin did it is not sufficient proof that they supported it.

Now, if we can find documentation that UN officials traded recipes with Idi Amin, well, then we'd have the makings of an interesting story. Which guarantees that the Media won't look for the evidence even if the UN sends them some cold cuts and rye.

Or some liver, fava beans, and a nice chianti.

145 experiencedtraveller  Thu, Jan 15, 2009 9:42:40am

re: #129 itellu3times

OK, but who is launching artillery shells at Bank of America stock price?

Ugh.

Buy Buy Buy

146 debutaunt  Thu, Jan 15, 2009 9:44:02am

re: #144 Kosh's Shadow

It's funny, the way you mis-pronounce it!

147 TheAntichrist  Thu, Jan 15, 2009 9:44:33am

What else do you expect from the UN? They may as well just fly a Hamas flag from UN compounds. The UN has zero credibility in this conflict.

148 lifeofthemind  Thu, Jan 15, 2009 9:44:46am

re: #143 Iron Fist

To be fair, you have to admit that while the UN is supporting sex slavery in Africa, they haven't come out with an official position on cannibalism. Just because they never squawked when Idi Amin did it is not sufficient proof that they supported it.

Now, if we can find documentation that UN officials traded recipes with Idi Amin, well, then we'd have the makings of an interesting story. Which guarantees that the Media won't look for the evidence even if the UN sends them some cold cuts and rye.

That was Emperor Bokassa of the Central African Empire. Also there was a rumor that the Dergue in Ethiopia ate Haile Selassie's heart before burying him under the office but I haven't been convinced.

149 Amer-I-Can  Thu, Jan 15, 2009 9:56:17am

re: #30 jcm

..., the IDF responded by firing artillery shells at the location of the gunmen, causing damage to the UN installations...

The location of the gunmen, when hit, damaged the UN installation.

hehehe... or it could have actually been the gunmen... or what was left...

*splat*

150 So?  Thu, Jan 15, 2009 9:56:45am

Hey Ban Ki-moon, where's your strong protest and outrage about the REAL genocide that is happening in Darfur?

151 DaddyG  Thu, Jan 15, 2009 9:58:39am

re: #83 DisturbedEma

...another linguistic chew toy to play with. . .

Heh! Rotating title nomination for that one.

This whole conversation reminds me of a quote from Futurama:

"You are technically correct, the best kind of correct" -Hermes Conrad, Bureaucrat Grade 32

152 Mad Mullah  Thu, Jan 15, 2009 9:59:05am

Go Israel! Wipe out the terrorists!

The United Nations is a farce and Israel has a legal right to protect itself if they are being fired upon from UN buildings, hospitals, etc.

The UN is complicit in aiding, funding and covering up for terrorists. Numerous incidents in the past have proven this to be true. I find the hypocritical whining of the UN most laughable.

Israel should continue to take out the enemy wherever they are, including in UN installations, if that's where the enemy is firing from.

153 itellu3times  Thu, Jan 15, 2009 9:59:41am

re: #145 experiencedtraveller

Buy Buy Buy

bye-bye BofA?

154 So?  Thu, Jan 15, 2009 10:00:03am

re: #84 jcm

This the typical Hamas tactic.

Set up a firing point in or near a protected location, close enough that when the IDF returns fire the protected location is hit, or damaged.

The UN school last week is a case in point. The news is the IDF hit the school killing 30. What's not widely reported is that Hamas was using the school as a pre-programmed firing point.

The intent of Hamas is clear, draw IDF firing in the hopes of a protected location being hit. Then counting on the media to report the protected location being hit by the IDF.

The war crime is that on the part of Hamas using protected location as firing points.

The media encourages these war crimes by Hamas falling for the propaganda of Hamas and reporting the IDF reaction, and not the Hamas criminal provocation.

It's the same old BS and the MSM, UN & EURABIA fall for it (encourage) each time.

155 DaddyG  Thu, Jan 15, 2009 10:01:46am

re: #152 Mad Mullah

Go Israel! Wipe out the terrorists!

The United Nations is a farce and Israel has a legal right to protect itself if they are being fired upon from UN buildings, hospitals, etc.

The UN is complicit in aiding, funding and covering up for terrorists. Numerous incidents in the past have proven this to be true. I find the hypocritical whining of the UN most laughable.

Israel should continue to take out the enemy wherever they are, including in UN installations, if that's where the enemy is firing from.

I would think that the light blue helmets were a great help with artillery spotting.

/maybe

156 Spiny Norman  Thu, Jan 15, 2009 10:02:13am

Apparently the IDF didn't get the memo that UN facilities are Hamas "safe zones"...

re: #150 So?

Hey Ban Ki-moon, where's your strong protest and outrage about the REAL genocide that is happening in Darfur?

No Israelis or Americans involved = no problem.

157 So?  Thu, Jan 15, 2009 10:02:22am

What, Ban Ki Moon isn't coming with an escort, aka Cythnia Mckinnon... Shame.

/Two great leaders in our time.

158 Spiny Norman  Thu, Jan 15, 2009 10:04:56am

re: #155 DaddyG

I would think that the light blue helmets were a great help with artillery spotting.

/maybe

As in Southern Lebanon, they're strictly "observers"... observing Hizbo/Hamas violating every agreement they've ever made, but the blue helmets are not permitted to do anything about it (except act as human shields).

159 notutopia  Thu, Jan 15, 2009 10:05:01am

U.N. Agency That Runs School Hit in Gaza Employed Hamas and Islamic Jihad Members
[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

160 SpiritOf1683  Thu, Jan 15, 2009 10:07:53am

As Ban ki Moon and his fellow South Koreans have so much hatred for Israel and the US, how about a deal. Lets pull US forces out of South Korea, and if the Norks invade, lets see how long it will take the North Korean Army to overrun Seoul, if the South Korean Army gets forced to fight by the same rules and restrictions as they expect the Israelis to fight.

161 Picayune  Thu, Jan 15, 2009 10:12:28am

re: #142 Guanxi88

Right, and Trump's new residents WILL be paying their parking tickets! I've called on the UN, er, League of Nations, about fourteen years ago. It was a nice concept, but the execution has failed, to our detriment. The UN is more suited to a Havana home now, and besides, we need all of our donated $$$ for ourselves these days. Better yet, place it in Gaza, and the IDF can take care of the this problem.
///

162 experiencedtraveller  Thu, Jan 15, 2009 10:13:13am

re: #153 itellu3times

bye-bye BofA?

One if the few who can rightly claim "too big to fail".

163 madisonsfriend  Thu, Jan 15, 2009 10:20:55am

re: #150 So?

Hey Ban Ki-moon, where's your strong protest and outrage about the REAL genocide that is happening in Darfur?

Well, first of all, The murder and rape in Darfur is done by Muslims- so the Un can't condemn the majority of their members. Second of all, Bashir claims the whole Darfur thing is a Zionist plot- so pretty soon, Ki-Moon will protest the genocide in Darfur by blaming Israel and the ZOG.

164 itellu3times  Thu, Jan 15, 2009 10:23:30am

re: #162 experiencedtraveller

One if the few who can rightly claim "too big to fail".

I wonder.

Apparently so does the market.

Perhaps this is a buying opportunity, but I said that at 36, and 21, and 18, and 14, and 10, and now it's 8, was 7.35 at the low today.

Presume the dividend will go bye-bye under the Obamanation.

This is very ugly, it was a widows and orphans stock - at 50, with full dividend. Of course, no uglier than Citibank, Lehman, etc. All those 401ks and IRAs gone to heck.

165 filbert23  Thu, Jan 15, 2009 10:31:30am

Whoda thunk it?

166 filbert23  Thu, Jan 15, 2009 10:33:02am

re: #160 SpiritOf1683

if the Norks invade, lets see how long it will take the North Korean Army to overrun Seoul, if the South Korean Army gets forced to fight by the same rules and restrictions as they expect the Israelis to fight.

9 mins flight time - DMZ to Seoul!

167 iowavette  Thu, Jan 15, 2009 10:50:28am

The fact that is was a UN building was rationale enough.

168 canadianally  Thu, Jan 15, 2009 10:56:07am

Please register and contribute to the comments here:

[Link: www.cbc.ca...]

169 experiencedtraveller  Thu, Jan 15, 2009 10:56:20am

re: #164 itellu3times

I'm just bottom feeding on it. In at 7.95 and it it does anything stupid I'm out.

Good luck.

170 pk  Thu, Jan 15, 2009 11:26:13am

Al Jazeera has published a "breakdown" of 210 Gazan "child" deaths up till 9th December here: http://english.aljazeera.net/news/middleeast/2009/01/200911591418168902.html
This includes names, ages and gender. I don't want to belittle the death of innocent children in anyway, but after some very cursory analysis, I found that:
1. Three times as many boys as girls were killed
2. 22 of the "children" were 18 anyway.
3. In the age range 14-18, 79 males were killed as opposed to 8 females
4. In the age range 10-13, 41 boys were killed, as opposed to 16 girls
5. In the age range 6-9, 13 boys were killed and 11 girls
6. In the under 6 range, 24 boys died and 19 girls.
So there is a massive skew towards males in the mid to late teens. We all know that this is because they are being abused by Hamas as combatants, whether child soldiers, couriers, messengers or simply human shields, but here it is confirmed by Al Jazeera.

171 pk  Thu, Jan 15, 2009 11:26:46am

Sorry, I meant 9th January of course.

172 Marvo76  Thu, Jan 15, 2009 11:40:03am

It is hard not to be appaled at the bias shown against Israel these days, even if they have pictures, video, signed/sworn statements, confessions and eye witnesses on scene filming, the msm portrays them in the hammashole light. While I don't fear that Isarel will come out on top I wonder just how much farther this kind of thing will go...

173 LGF Widower  Thu, Jan 15, 2009 12:50:46pm

Israel has every right in the world to respond to the UN as follows:

Dear Bonky (and Fellow UN Officials):

Please accept these shells as a token of our appreciation for everything that the UN has done for Israel over the years. We just wanted to express how much we value your steadfast support, as well as all your efforts to make Israel a safer, happier and more prosperous country. Enjoy the shells in good health!

Love,

Israel

Couldn't resist... ;-)

174 [deleted]  Thu, Jan 15, 2009 1:09:50pm
175 itellu3times  Thu, Jan 15, 2009 1:22:19pm

re: #170 pk

Al Jazeera has published a "breakdown" of 210 Gazan "child" deaths up till 9th December here: http://english.aljazeera.net/news/middleeast/2009/ 01/200911591418168902.html
This includes names, ages and gender. I don't want to belittle the death of innocent children in anyway, but after some very cursory analysis, I found that:
1. Three times as many boys as girls were killed
2. 22 of the "children" were 18 anyway.
3. In the age range 14-18, 79 males were killed as opposed to 8 females
4. In the age range 10-13, 41 boys were killed, as opposed to 16 girls
5. In the age range 6-9, 13 boys were killed and 11 girls
6. In the under 6 range, 24 boys died and 19 girls.
So there is a massive skew towards males in the mid to late teens. We all know that this is because they are being abused by Hamas as combatants, whether child soldiers, couriers, messengers or simply human shields, but here it is confirmed by Al Jazeera.

Exactamundo.

1. ununiformed combatants 25%
2. child soldiers 20%
3. couriers 15%
3. messengers 10%
4. simply human shields 9%
5. collateral damage when family member launched rocket from front lawn 21%

176 [deleted]  Thu, Jan 15, 2009 1:27:46pm

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