ICRC: Israel’s Use of White Phosphorus Not Illegal

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The International Committe of the Red Cross has issued a statement that Israel’s use of white phosphorus is not illegal. This, of course, has not stopped the international left from making accusations.

GENEVA – The international Red Cross said Tuesday that Israel has fired white phosphorus shells in its offensive in the Gaza Strip, but has no evidence to suggest it is being used improperly or illegally.

The comments came after a human rights organization accused the Jewish state of using the incendiary agent, which ignites when it strikes the skin and burns straight through or until it is cut off from oxygen. It can cause horrific injuries.

The International Committee of the Red Cross urged Israel to exercise “extreme caution” in using the incendiary agent, which is used to illuminate targets at night or create a smoke screen for day attacks, said Peter Herby, the head of the organization’s mines-arms unit.

“In some of the strikes in Gaza it’s pretty clear that phosphorus was used,” Herby told The Associated Press. “But it’s not very unusual to use phosphorus to create smoke or illuminate a target. We have no evidence to suggest it’s being used in any other way.”

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226 comments
1 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jan 15, 2009 8:53:40am

Flying pig warranted? Usually the ICRC is knee-jerk anti-Israel, 24/7/365.

2 debutaunt  Thu, Jan 15, 2009 8:54:12am

Racist phos - what's next?

3 VegasRick  Thu, Jan 15, 2009 8:54:49am

re: #2 debutaunt

Racist phos - what's next?

Black powder.

4 Sharmuta  Thu, Jan 15, 2009 8:54:53am

Just another fact for the haters to ignore.

5 jorline  Thu, Jan 15, 2009 8:55:33am

It's all a smoke screen.

6 godfrey  Thu, Jan 15, 2009 8:56:00am

Didn't someone find white phosphorus in a Pali rocket casing?

7 lawhawk  Thu, Jan 15, 2009 8:56:05am

The ICRC's broken clock alert. They'll resume their typical anti-Israel statements shortly, after Peter Herby gets a stern talking-to by his moral betters, who will inform him that Israel's right to use weapons to protect themselves against terrorists violates the terrorists' rights.

Note too that the ICRC and the "human rights" groups has repeatedly ignored terrorists attacking civilians in Israel; each and every instance a war crime.

8 Kragar  Thu, Jan 15, 2009 8:56:34am

Meanwhile, the use of WP shells used to bomb northern Israel from Lebanon is a war crime, yet Leftist scum never mention it.

9 Bloodnok  Thu, Jan 15, 2009 8:56:38am

re: #4 Sharmuta

Just another fact for the haters to ignore.

To them truth, like White Phosphorous, burns deep.

10 pat  Thu, Jan 15, 2009 8:56:45am

Of course the 2 reported uses of the same by Hamas are just fine. As long as Jews or other Palestinians are being targeted.

11 Cathypop  Thu, Jan 15, 2009 8:56:47am

Why are they not screaming about Ham-ass and the rockets fired into Isreal

12 Kragar  Thu, Jan 15, 2009 8:57:15am

re: #6 godfrey

Didn't someone find white phosphorus in a Pali rocket casing?

It was in the rockets fired from Lebanon.

13 godfrey  Thu, Jan 15, 2009 8:57:58am

re: #12 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Where does Hizb'allah get them? Syria? Iran?

14 lawhawk  Thu, Jan 15, 2009 8:58:30am

As I've previously noted, the UNRWA is culpable for the situation in Gaza because it has alternatively enabled and abdicated its responsibility to protect Gazans from.. themselves. Hamas terrorists infest UNRWA operations, the refugee camps, and who are part and parcel of the UNRWA bureaucracy in Gaza. UNRWA looks the other way, because they're policing themselves, and use the UNRWA as a propaganda outlet against Israel.

15 jwb7605  Thu, Jan 15, 2009 8:58:40am

re: #3 VegasRick

Black powder.

Pyrodex! Racist!
/

16 pat  Thu, Jan 15, 2009 8:58:44am

And then there is the irony that the red cross is not allowed in Hamas controlled terrortery. Only the crescent.

17 Bloodnok  Thu, Jan 15, 2009 8:58:47am

re: #11 Cathypop

Why are they not screaming about Ham-ass and the rockets fired into Isreal

They're recreational! They have parachutes in the nose and float down to Earth with nary a bang nor whimper.

18 lifeofthemind  Thu, Jan 15, 2009 8:58:47am

The American Red Cross has pushed the ICRC to admit the Israeli MDA and hold to impartiality. THe New York Chapter has lead in pushing the National ARC.

19 Randall Gross  Thu, Jan 15, 2009 8:59:02am

It's a freaking flare, get over it. These leftists are the same types who sign petitions to outlaw dihydrogenated Oxygen.....

20 DeafDog  Thu, Jan 15, 2009 8:59:13am

A perhaps stupid, but definitly sincere, question -

I thought the cross symbol was somehow offensive to Islam and so the org used the red crecent moniker in Islamic areas. Why is this artical not referencing the Red Crecent that operates in Gaza?

21 solomonpanting  Thu, Jan 15, 2009 8:59:20am
“In some of the strikes in Gaza it’s pretty clear that phosphorus was used,” Herby told The Associated Press. “But it’s not very unusual to use phosphorus to create smoke or illuminate a target. We have no evidence to suggest it’s being used in any other way.”

"But we'll launch an extensive investigation to make sure."

22 Bloodnok  Thu, Jan 15, 2009 8:59:24am

re: #17 Bloodnok

OOPS.

Forgot the /

23 Ayatollah Ghilmeini  Thu, Jan 15, 2009 8:59:27am

If Israel was using WP immorally, you would know. There would hundreds and hundreds of people with terrible burns all over their bodies. WP produces nasty wounds- you fire that thing into a crowd, almost everyone in that crowd is going to have nasty burns and be scarred for life.

It was nice the IRC decided it did not have to just go ahead and lie about this. Makes me glad to be a blood donor.

24 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jan 15, 2009 8:59:44am

re: #6 godfrey

Didn't someone find white phosphorus in a Pali rocket casing?

That was just powdered milk. Nothing to see here.

25 ThinkRight  Thu, Jan 15, 2009 9:00:19am

re: #4 Sharmuta

Just another fact for the haters to ignore.


Facts / smacts
If Israel will look bad facts can be manipulated
Israel and the US are always tried in the court of public opinion and to hell with the facts.
Facts and truth are over-rated anyway
/

26 maddogg  Thu, Jan 15, 2009 9:00:32am

Phosphorous is an essential element for healthy plant growth. We all want healthy plants in Gaza, don't we?

27 [deleted]  Thu, Jan 15, 2009 9:01:03am
28 Kragar  Thu, Jan 15, 2009 9:01:05am

re: #13 godfrey

Where does Hizb'allah get them? Syria? Iran?

Yes and yes

29 yma o hyd  Thu, Jan 15, 2009 9:01:17am

re: #6 godfrey

Didn't someone find white phosphorus in a Pali rocket casing?

Yep - in one that happened to have made its way into Israel ...

Haven't heard any outcry about that - and it was a few days ago.

Bias?
What bias!

30 alegrias  Thu, Jan 15, 2009 9:01:49am

Hey RED Cross, Mugabe uses FOOD as a weapon.
Millions of innocents are really starving in Zimbabwe.
Hello?
Hello?
Anyone there?

31 Ford_Prefect  Thu, Jan 15, 2009 9:01:54am

re: #24 Occasional Reader

That was just powdered milk. Nothing to see here.

Is powdered milk kosher?

32 lifeofthemind  Thu, Jan 15, 2009 9:02:39am

re: #17 Bloodnok

They're recreational! They have parachutes in the nose and float down to Earth with nary a bang nor whimper.

Used to shoot these myself when I was a kid
[Link: www.estesrockets.com...]

33 Gella  Thu, Jan 15, 2009 9:02:47am

re: #26 maddogg

Phosphorous is an essential element for healthy plant growth. We all want healthy plants in Gaza, don't we?

sure, + you know, some might even glow at night, and as my mom always said, eat fish, it contains phosphorus, it will make u smarter, so i don't see a problem, especially after what Hamas did to Israel

34 [deleted]  Thu, Jan 15, 2009 9:02:48am
35 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jan 15, 2009 9:03:00am

re: #31 Ford_Prefect

Is powdered milk kosher?

As long as it's not mixed with powdered meat.

(?)

36 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Jan 15, 2009 9:03:06am

re: #11 Cathypop

Why are they not screaming about Ham-ass and the rockets fired into Isreal

Because most of the ICRC leadship has the same attitude as most soft-Antisemitism: "The Jew are riling people up by existing. It would be better if they were removed, so the crazies wouldn't get so bothered." The flaw in the argument is that once the crazies have no Jews to attack, they'll move on to you. But the ICRC does not think beyond Stage 1.

37 vapig  Thu, Jan 15, 2009 9:03:30am

The ICRC says it's not illegal? Jaw dropping moment for them.

OT - Actor Ricardo Montalban has passed away today at age 88. May he rest in peace.

38 maddogg  Thu, Jan 15, 2009 9:03:34am

re: #30 alegrias

Hey RED Cross, Mugabe uses FOOD as a weapon.
Millions of innocents are really starving in Zimbabwe.
Hello?
Hello?
Anyone there?

You have to understand, Mugabe is Black, so it's OK for him to murder black people.

/moonbat reasoning

39 maddogg  Thu, Jan 15, 2009 9:04:25am

re: #33 Gella

sure, + you know, some might even glow at night, and as my mom always said, eat fish, it contains phosphorus, it will make u smarter, so i don't see a problem, especially after what Hamas did to Israel

And the Lord knows the Palis could stand to smarten up.

40 Silhouette  Thu, Jan 15, 2009 9:04:28am

Not just no proof of misgivings, no evidence at all.

41 reine.de.tout  Thu, Jan 15, 2009 9:04:29am

Posted at the bottom of the last thread.

Putting it again here.
UNRWA - Hamas connections

43 vapig  Thu, Jan 15, 2009 9:04:47am

re: #19 Thanos

It's a freaking flare, get over it. These leftists are the same types who sign petitions to outlaw dihydrogenated Oxygen.....

I'm thirsty.....;^P

44 alegrias  Thu, Jan 15, 2009 9:04:53am

re: #34 ploome hineni

Gilad Shalit?

hellOOOOOOOOOO?

* * * *
You know how they (UN, UNRWA) feel, like Stalin--one person is a tragedy, millions are a statistic.

They'll always side with the monster.

45 Cognito  Thu, Jan 15, 2009 9:05:06am
“In some of the strikes in Gaza it’s pretty clear that phosphorus was used,” Herby told The Associated Press. “But it’s not very unusual to use phosphorus to create smoke or illuminate a target. We have no evidence to suggest it’s being used in any other way.”

Well. That pretty much wraps up that discussion.

Now, on to Hamas's use of random-targeted rockets.

46 [deleted]  Thu, Jan 15, 2009 9:05:15am
47 Ford_Prefect  Thu, Jan 15, 2009 9:05:25am

re: #37 vapig

The ICRC says it's not illegal? Jaw dropping moment for them.

OT - Actor Ricardo Montalban has passed away today at age 88. May he rest in peace.

That was yesterday, actually. He lived a long life. RIP.

48 solomonpanting  Thu, Jan 15, 2009 9:05:27am

Thank goodness Israel isn't allowing reporters into Gaza or else we'd be reading anti-Israeli reports by the hour.

49 yma o hyd  Thu, Jan 15, 2009 9:05:41am

re: #23 Ayatollah Ghilmeini

If Israel was using WP immorally, you would know. There would hundreds and hundreds of people with terrible burns all over their bodies. WP produces nasty wounds- you fire that thing into a crowd, almost everyone in that crowd is going to have nasty burns and be scarred for life.

It was nice the IRC decided it did not have to just go ahead and lie about this. Makes me glad to be a blood donor.

There were, iirc, pictures of two men with such alledged burns.
Of the one it was said 'he was only sitting outside his house' ...

Yeah, right - one of course just sits outside one's house when there's an IAF strike on.
These two men were hamsthugs without a doubt.
There have been no others injured by White Phosphorous - we'd have been shown pictures ad nauseam by now!

50 Basho  Thu, Jan 15, 2009 9:05:44am

re: #19 Thanos

It's a freaking flare, get over it. These leftists are the same types who sign petitions to outlaw dihydrogenated Oxygen.....

Not to mention DU. I don't expect them to understand the chemistry, but they can at least look up the definition of the word 'depleted'...

51 Dustyvet  Thu, Jan 15, 2009 9:07:28am

re: #1 Occasional Reader

Flying pig warranted? Usually the ICRC is knee-jerk anti-Israel, 24/7/365.

Somebody at ICRC released the wrong Press release to the MSM.

52 jcm  Thu, Jan 15, 2009 9:08:28am

re: #42 lawhawk

Hamas is an illegal terrorist group, engaging in war crimes, crimes against humanity, and calls to genocide and ethnic cleansing. They operate from behind civilians, using human shields, purposefully hoping to attack civilians and maximize civilian casualties.

The human rights groups ignore all that, and focus on a non-controversy, such as Israel's use of WP.

Classy - and classic propaganda.

And the media is complicit.
Report that the UN building is hit, downplay the provocation.
Report that a school is hit, downplay the provocation.
Report that Israel invades Gaza, downplay the provocation.

53 vapig  Thu, Jan 15, 2009 9:08:34am

re: #47 Ford_Prefect

That was yesterday, actually. He lived a long life. RIP.

Thanks for the corredction. I just heard about it a few moments ago.

54 DisturbedEma  Thu, Jan 15, 2009 9:09:04am

re: #4 Sharmuta

Just another fact for the haterscog to ignore.

fixed- coming soon. . .some form of argument that the article doesn't cover this "clearly" enough. . .

55 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Jan 15, 2009 9:09:19am

re: #45 Cognito

Well. That pretty much wraps up that discussion.

Now, on to Hamas's use of random-targeted rockets.

When iron floats. The next ICRC will be about how Israel is committing war crimes. It'll be issued in the interests of "balance".

56 DisturbedEma  Thu, Jan 15, 2009 9:10:01am

re: #52 jcm

And the media is complicit.
Report that the UN building is hit, downplay the provocation.
Report that a school is hit, downplay the provocation.
Report that Israel invades Gaza, downplay the provocation.

IGNORE the provocation. . .and turn it into a media hatefest against Israel. . .

57 lifeofthemind  Thu, Jan 15, 2009 9:10:13am

They may have an ulterior purpose, word that someone is planning to use something similar against Israel perhaps? Im confident that they will try to sabotage or attack Israeli chemical plants.

58 Bloodnok  Thu, Jan 15, 2009 9:10:33am

re: #53 vapig

Thanks for the corredction. I just heard about it a few moments ago.

And he was mas macho.

59 debutaunt  Thu, Jan 15, 2009 9:11:06am

re: #55 Dark_Falcon

When iron floats. The next ICRC will be about how Israel is committing war crimes. It'll be issued in the interests of "balance".

Iron floats? Rosie?

60 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Jan 15, 2009 9:11:21am

re: #56 DisturbedEma

IGNORE the provocation. . .and turn it into a media hatefest against Israel. . .

Yep, it's a coward's act. Calling Hamas' actions by their right name would take real courage the MSM lacks.

61 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Thu, Jan 15, 2009 9:11:33am

re: #41 reine.de.tout

Posted at the bottom of the last thread.

Putting it again here.
UNRWA - Hamas connections

He weaseled when asked about WP.
His pants are as much on fire as that building.

62 Guanxi88  Thu, Jan 15, 2009 9:11:36am

re: #58 Bloodnok

And he was mas macho.

Muy macho, pero Lorenzo Lamas es un poco de mas macho.

63 Jack Reacher  Thu, Jan 15, 2009 9:11:43am
We have no evidence to suggest it’s being used in any other way.


For AP and Reuters, that's not been a handicap.

64 DisturbedEma  Thu, Jan 15, 2009 9:11:45am

re: #35 Occasional Reader

As long as it's not mixed with powdered meat.

(?)

Some is, some is not. . .

65 CIA Reject  Thu, Jan 15, 2009 9:11:48am

I posted, and RW (thanks if you're out there BTW) confirmed on the DT that WP is intended to be used by scouts to mark targets for air and artillery strikes. It is a tool and like most tools it has a valid purpose.

I have no doubt that the IDF is using that tool for it's intended purpose- to mark valid targets.

I also have no doubt that, because Hamas locates those targets in schools, mosques, hospitals, and public markets (which, BTW, is a WAR CRIME) that some civilians have been hit, unintentionally, with WP. The responsibility, and culpability, for those incidents lies with Hamas, not the IDF.

What continues to irritate me is the left's insistence in demonizing a tool, in this case WP. The tool, be it WP or land mines, or a handgun, or a thermonuclear device is neither good nor evil. The purpose for which it is used BY PEOPLE is what is good or evil.

Why can they not understand this?

66 Cognito  Thu, Jan 15, 2009 9:12:38am

re: #55 Dark_Falcon

When iron floats. The next ICRC will be about how Israel is committing war crimes. It'll be issued in the interests of "balance".

Hey. You never know.

For all the frustration the International Red Cross has caused over the years, I've got to hand it to them for doing the right thing, in this case.

67 jwb7605  Thu, Jan 15, 2009 9:13:26am

re: #59 debutaunt

Iron floats? Rosie?

Assisting Cog. One nit at a time
/

68 vapig  Thu, Jan 15, 2009 9:13:27am

re: #58 Bloodnok

And he was mas macho.

*sigh* I miss macho.....

69 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Jan 15, 2009 9:14:09am

re: #59 debutaunt

Iron floats? Rosie?

No, its a very old saying. At the founding of the soon-Athenian-dominated Delian League "lumps of iron were thrown into the sea, as a sign that the alliance was pledged to last until the Iron floated up again".

Source: Larry Gonick, "The Cartoon History of the Universe".

70 lifeofthemind  Thu, Jan 15, 2009 9:14:37am

From Muqata
6:01 PM Hamas Minister of Interior Saeed Siad, the 3rd highest ranking member of Hamas...eliminated by IDF. (Channel 10 TV)

71 maddogg  Thu, Jan 15, 2009 9:14:55am

re: #59 debutaunt

Iron floats? Rosie?

Actually, iron will float nicely on mercury or liquid lead, uranium, gold or any element of higher density in a liquid state.

Question: You are standing in a boat full of iron cannon balls floating in a swimming pool. You pick the cannon balls up and toss them over the side into the pool. Will the water level in the pool rise or fall?

72 Cognito  Thu, Jan 15, 2009 9:15:24am

re: #71 maddogg

Actually, iron will float nicely on mercury or liquid lead, uranium, gold or any element of higher density in a liquid state.

Question: You are standing in a boat full of iron cannon balls floating in a swimming pool. You pick the cannon balls up and toss them over the side into the pool. Will the water level in the pool rise or fall?

Remain the same.

73 Guanxi88  Thu, Jan 15, 2009 9:15:34am

re: #70 lifeofthemind

From Muqata
6:01 PM Hamas Minister of Interior Saeed Siad, the 3rd highest ranking member of Hamas...eliminated by IDF. (Channel 10 TV)

Wonderful news, if true, and encouraging, even if premature.

74 bulwrk  Thu, Jan 15, 2009 9:15:41am

If you're operating in an area you suspect is laced with tunnels and bunkers WP is actually a fairly humane way to flush fighters into the open with minimal "civilian" fatalities.

75 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Jan 15, 2009 9:15:47am

re: #67 jwb7605

Assisting Cog. One nit at a time
/

Yes, I assist Cognito sometimes. I'm a nitpicker myself, I just don't give vent to it on LGF.

76 maddogg  Thu, Jan 15, 2009 9:15:56am

re: #72 Cognito

No.

77 Gella  Thu, Jan 15, 2009 9:16:07am

re: #70 lifeofthemind
good job IDF

78 Racer X  Thu, Jan 15, 2009 9:16:20am

Some claim that this is a proxy war between the U.S. and Iran. No, it isn't. This is a set up.

Iran is purposely providing Hamas with just enough weapons to provoke a response from Israel. Then the palestinians can cry about "disproportionate response" and "attacking UN buildings and schools".

The purpose is to garner support for the poor palestinians and discredit Israel.

It is working. (people are stupid)

Once Israel has been thoroughly chastised by the media and the left, THEN Iran will really jump in. And it will be nasty.

79 blangwort  Thu, Jan 15, 2009 9:16:24am

Let's have a Kosher war, shall we? We shall not aim at civilians, even though the warriors are embedded among them. We shall not use any more firepower than we must. We will allow humanitarian aid to go through even though this helps the fighters as well.

/War ain't Kosher. It's a matter of survival. The IDF can use Nukes for all I care.

80 Sharmuta  Thu, Jan 15, 2009 9:16:33am

re: #56 DisturbedEma

IGNORE the provocation. . .and turn it into a media hatefest against Israel. . .

That's why this report will be ignored. It doesn't fit the meme, so under the bus it goes.

81 nature boy  Thu, Jan 15, 2009 9:16:51am

re: #26 maddogg

Phosphorous is an essential element for healthy plant growth. We all want healthy plants in Gaza, don't we?

Ain't that phosphates?

But I'm sure phosphorous is good for Gaza as well...

82 Cognito  Thu, Jan 15, 2009 9:16:55am

re: #76 maddogg

No.

Why not? Hmmm....

The cannonballs displace a certain volume by weighing down the boat... So I suppose if it doesn't remain the same, it must go down.

83 _RememberTonyC  Thu, Jan 15, 2009 9:17:05am

it seems like a totally proportionate response to me

84 jwb7605  Thu, Jan 15, 2009 9:17:18am

re: #75 Dark_Falcon

Yes, I assist Cognito sometimes. I'm a nitpicker myself, I just don't give vent to it on LGF.

Me too, I admit.
This issue is a bit thin, though. Picking nits on a vaguely worded article is a losing effort.

85 faraway  Thu, Jan 15, 2009 9:17:19am

It turns out this silly war doesn't exist - according to our beloved scientists.

Our world may be a giant hologram

Our everyday experience might itself be a holographic projection of physical processes that take place on a distant, 2D surface.

The "holographic principle" challenges our sensibilities. It seems hard to believe that you woke up, brushed your teeth and are reading this article because of something happening on the boundary of the universe.

You guys thought Genesis was wacky!

86 lifeofthemind  Thu, Jan 15, 2009 9:17:49am

re: #75 Dark_Falcon

Yes, I assist Cognito sometimes. I'm a nitpicker myself, I just don't give vent to it on LGF.

The Dermatologist has something for that.

87 debutaunt  Thu, Jan 15, 2009 9:17:59am

re: #69 Dark_Falcon

No, its a very old saying. At the founding of the soon-Athenian-dominated Delian League "lumps of iron were thrown into the sea, as a sign that the alliance was pledged to last until the Iron floated up again".

Source: Larry Gonick, "The Cartoon History of the Universe".

Yes. I was just having a Rosie fire-melting-steel moment.

88 maddogg  Thu, Jan 15, 2009 9:18:29am

re: #82 Cognito

While in the boat, the cannon balls displace their weight in water, when tossed into the water they sink, displacing their volumn. Since iron is more dense than water, the water level will fall.

89 Golem Akbar  Thu, Jan 15, 2009 9:18:37am

re: #79 blangwort

Let's have a Kosher war, shall we? We shall not aim at civilians, even though the warriors are embedded among them. We shall not use any more firepower than we must. We will allow humanitarian aid to go through even though this helps the fighters as well.

/War ain't Kosher. It's a matter of survival. The IDF can use Nukes for all I care.

Actually, I believe it is kosher to fight just as Israel is doing. You must defend yourselves, you don't have to allow food or other relief for the enemy that is trying to kill you. You must defend yourself. period.

90 nature boy  Thu, Jan 15, 2009 9:18:51am

re: #6 godfrey

Didn't someone find white phosphorus in a Pali rocket casing?

Yep. Yesterday.

91 Racer X  Thu, Jan 15, 2009 9:18:56am

re: #85 faraway

It turns out this silly war doesn't exist - according to our beloved scientists.

Our world may be a giant hologram

You guys thought Genesis was wacky!

There is no spoon.

92 debutaunt  Thu, Jan 15, 2009 9:18:57am

re: #71 maddogg

Actually, iron will float nicely on mercury or liquid lead, uranium, gold or any element of higher density in a liquid state.

Question: You are standing in a boat full of iron cannon balls floating in a swimming pool. You pick the cannon balls up and toss them over the side into the pool. Will the water level in the pool rise or fall?

Density? Rosie?

93 eschew_obfuscation  Thu, Jan 15, 2009 9:19:07am

re: #71 maddogg

Actually, iron will float nicely on mercury or liquid lead, uranium, gold or any element of higher density in a liquid state.

Question: You are standing in a boat full of iron cannon balls floating in a swimming pool. You pick the cannon balls up and toss them over the side into the pool. Will the water level in the pool rise or fall?


Fall..... when the cannon ball was in the boat, it was forcing the boat to displace the weight of the cannon ball in the form of water. When thrown over the side, the cannon ball displaced less than its weight in water and sank.

94 Taqiyyotomist  Thu, Jan 15, 2009 9:19:29am

re: #37 vapig

The ICRC says it's not illegal? Jaw dropping moment for them.

OT - Actor Ricardo Montalban has passed away today at age 88. May he rest in peace.

Odd. He passed away yesterday, as well. ;)

95 lawhawk  Thu, Jan 15, 2009 9:19:33am

Hope floats? /

96 doppelganglander  Thu, Jan 15, 2009 9:20:08am

re: #71 maddogg

Actually, iron will float nicely on mercury or liquid lead, uranium, gold or any element of higher density in a liquid state.

Question: You are standing in a boat full of iron cannon balls floating in a swimming pool. You pick the cannon balls up and toss them over the side into the pool. Will the water level in the pool rise or fall?

Wouldn't it just stay the same? The cannonball is displacing the same amount of water whether it's inside the boat or at the bottom of the pool.

97 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Jan 15, 2009 9:20:13am

re: #87 debutaunt

Yes. I was just having a Rosie fire-melting-steel moment.

I understood. I was just taking the opportunity to explain the origin of my figure of speech. I like to introduce people to new phrases.

98 Erik The Red  Thu, Jan 15, 2009 9:20:31am

I am watching CNN international. When did they let the asshat msm into Gaza?

99 maddogg  Thu, Jan 15, 2009 9:20:33am

re: #93 eschew_obfuscation

Yes. It illustrates density differences nicely.

100 CIA Reject  Thu, Jan 15, 2009 9:20:41am

re: #71 maddogg

Actually, iron will float nicely on mercury or liquid lead, uranium, gold or any element of higher density in a liquid state.

Question: You are standing in a boat full of iron cannon balls floating in a swimming pool. You pick the cannon balls up and toss them over the side into the pool. Will the water level in the pool rise or fall?

The boat will displace less water and thus the water level in the pool will fall. (The fall will be offset by the amount of water displaced by the cannon balls, which will not be sufficient to make up the difference since they can't displace enough water to float like they did in the boat.)

101 bulwrk  Thu, Jan 15, 2009 9:21:02am

re: #71 maddogg

Actually, iron will float nicely on mercury or liquid lead, uranium, gold or any element of higher density in a liquid state.

Question: You are standing in a boat full of iron cannon balls floating in a swimming pool. You pick the cannon balls up and toss them over the side into the pool. Will the water level in the pool rise or fall?

It will fall, because after you're family has you committed to a mental institution for having a boat full of cannonballs in you're pool they will have it drained and plant a nice lawn.

102 eschew_obfuscation  Thu, Jan 15, 2009 9:21:17am

If all of the Arctic ice melts (excluding Greenland), how much will sea levels rise?

103 doppelganglander  Thu, Jan 15, 2009 9:21:21am

re: #88 maddogg

While in the boat, the cannon balls displace their weight in water, when tossed into the water they sink, displacing their volumn. Since iron is more dense than water, the water level will fall.

This is why I'm a writer, not a scientist.

104 debutaunt  Thu, Jan 15, 2009 9:21:53am

re: #97 Dark_Falcon

I understood. I was just taking the opportunity to explain the origin of my figure of speech. I like to introduce people to new phrases.

Dark and falcony, you are.

105 bellamags  Thu, Jan 15, 2009 9:22:03am

re: #103 doppelganglander

Hey there, how have you been?

106 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Jan 15, 2009 9:22:06am

re: #92 debutaunt

Density? Rosie?

Actually, she's not that dense. All that fat means that she will float quite easily. When she goes on cruises, the staff adds her to their list of flotation devices. :)

107 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Jan 15, 2009 9:22:27am

re: #94 Taqiyyotomist

Odd. He passed away yesterday, as well. ;)

He's still valiantly holding on in his fight to remain dead.

108 debutaunt  Thu, Jan 15, 2009 9:22:49am

re: #101 bulwrk

hahahahahahhahaa

109 Cathypop  Thu, Jan 15, 2009 9:23:04am

re: #102 eschew_obfuscation

If all of the Arctic ice melts (excluding Greenland), how much will sea levels rise?


None

110 CIA Reject  Thu, Jan 15, 2009 9:23:33am

re: #101 bulwrk

It will fall, because after you're family has you committed to a mental institution for having a boat full of cannonballs in you're pool they will have it drained and plant a nice lawn.

ROFLMAO!
You aced fluid mechanics didn't you?

111 lifeofthemind  Thu, Jan 15, 2009 9:23:40am

re: #107 Kosh's Shadow

He's still valiantly holding on in his fight to remain dead.

In Other News General Franco ....

112 maddogg  Thu, Jan 15, 2009 9:23:44am

re: #101 bulwrk

It will fall, because after you're family has you committed to a mental institution for having a boat full of cannonballs in you're pool they will have it drained and plant a nice lawn.

Fail! Go stand in the corner.

113 Wild Knight  Thu, Jan 15, 2009 9:23:59am

To any Israelis reading this: Please, please rescue Gilad Shalit. I've been praying for that lad since 2006. Don't accept a ceasefire before Hamas releases Shalit (preferably safe and sound).

114 eschew_obfuscation  Thu, Jan 15, 2009 9:24:01am

re: #109 Cathypop

None

Nice work! Go the the head of the thread...

115 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Jan 15, 2009 9:24:49am

re: #102 eschew_obfuscation

If all of the Arctic ice melts (excluding Greenland), how much will sea levels rise?

Go ask Al Gore, I'm sure he has an answer. It's just the wrong answer.

116 lifeofthemind  Thu, Jan 15, 2009 9:25:20am

Sound is bak on the Gazacam

117 VegasRick  Thu, Jan 15, 2009 9:25:55am

re: #115 Dark_Falcon

Go ask Al Gore, I'm sure he has an answer. It's just the wrong answer.

He'll get the answer on his internet.

118 experiencedtraveller  Thu, Jan 15, 2009 9:26:03am

re: #69 Dark_Falcon

The Delian League would have lasted a lot longer if Pericles hadn't gotten too big for his britches.

/Ancient history rant off

119 Gella  Thu, Jan 15, 2009 9:26:32am

re: #115 Dark_Falcon

as long as Al Gore will drive a gas guzzler, there will be no global warming

120 VegasRick  Thu, Jan 15, 2009 9:26:33am

re: #116 lifeofthemind

Sound is bak on the Gazacam

Not much happening. Not even a rooster.

121 yma o hyd  Thu, Jan 15, 2009 9:26:41am

re: #116 lifeofthemind

Sound is bak on the Gazacam

Achmed is studiously showing us the dark night of Gaza - I'm sure there are things going on which he doesn't dare show ...

122 lawhawk  Thu, Jan 15, 2009 9:26:45am

re: #102 eschew_obfuscation

If all of the Arctic ice melts (excluding Greenland), how much will sea levels rise?

It wont.

123 CIA Reject  Thu, Jan 15, 2009 9:27:13am

re: #115 Dark_Falcon

Go ask Al Gore, I'm sure he has an answer. It's just the wrong answer.

"For every complex problem there is an answer that is clear, simple, and wrong. "
-- H.L. Mencken

124 debutaunt  Thu, Jan 15, 2009 9:27:15am

re: #115 Dark_Falcon

Go ask Al Gore, I'm sure he has an answer. It's just the wrong answer.

The trick to the question involves Greenland which isn't actually green. However, Iceland is actually made of carved ice sculptures.

125 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Jan 15, 2009 9:28:10am

re: #123 CIA Reject

"For every complex problem there is an answer that is clear, simple, and wrong. "
-- H.L. Mencken

And 0bama knows all these answers.

126 lifeofthemind  Thu, Jan 15, 2009 9:28:31am

re: #121 yma o hyd

Achmed is studiously showing us the dark night of Gaza - I'm sure there are things going on which he doesn't dare show ...

Waiting for a spotlight in the sky with a bat outline

Fafhrd the Flying Mouse comes to save the day!

127 VegasRick  Thu, Jan 15, 2009 9:28:42am

re: #124 debutaunt

The trick to the question involves Greenland which isn't actually green. However, Iceland is actually made of carved ice sculptures.

If I owned an island I would name it Sexland. Then everyone would come.

128 lawhawk  Thu, Jan 15, 2009 9:28:50am

Still more rockets "found" in Lebanon. At least they weren't discovered after slamming into Israel.

129 wiffersnapper  Thu, Jan 15, 2009 9:28:56am

So we have investigations into white phosphorus for Israel, but give a pass to storing terrorists and weapons in mosques and UN funded schools and hospitals?

I don't get it.

130 broomer  Thu, Jan 15, 2009 9:28:57am

re: #113 Wild Knight

To any Israelis reading this: Please, please rescue Gilad Shalit. I've been praying for that lad since 2006. Don't accept a ceasefire before Hamas releases Shalit (preferably safe and sound).

AMEN! I'm besides myself that Ynet reports that there may be a "truce".

131 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Jan 15, 2009 9:29:16am

re: #126 lifeofthemind

Waiting for a spotlight in the sky with a bat outline

Fafhrd the Flying Mouse comes to save the day!

Or Nahoul the Bee.

132 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Jan 15, 2009 9:29:22am

re: #118 experiencedtraveller

The Delian League would have lasted a lot longer if Pericles hadn't gotten too big for his britches.

/Ancient history rant off

Very true.

133 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Jan 15, 2009 9:29:45am

re: #131 Kosh's Shadow

Or Nahoul the Bee.

Grab a can of Raid.

134 Taqiyyotomist  Thu, Jan 15, 2009 9:30:16am

re: #127 VegasRick

If I owned an island I would name it Sexland. Then everyone would come.

BOO.
:)

135 debutaunt  Thu, Jan 15, 2009 9:30:18am

re: #127 VegasRick

If I owned an island I would name it Sexland. Then everyone would come.

Guaranteed disembarkation?

136 ThinkRight  Thu, Jan 15, 2009 9:30:24am

re: #129 wiffersnapper

So we have investigations into white phosphorus for Israel, but give a pass to storing terrorists and weapons in mosques and UN funded schools and hospitals?

I don't get it.


Get with the program
/

137 lifeofthemind  Thu, Jan 15, 2009 9:30:32am

re: #131 Kosh's Shadow

Or Nahoul the Bee.

As Oscar Wilde said of the death of Little Nell, it would take a heart of stone not to laugh.

138 [deleted]  Thu, Jan 15, 2009 9:31:02am
139 unrealizedviewpoint  Thu, Jan 15, 2009 9:31:20am

re: #102 eschew_obfuscation

If all of the Arctic ice melts (excluding Greenland), how much will sea levels rise?

re: #109 Cathypop

None

re: #122 lawhawk

It wont.

Well then why was I so threatened in grammar school that the land under my feet would soon be under water if we didn't do something, and fast?
/

140 debutaunt  Thu, Jan 15, 2009 9:31:23am

re: #137 lifeofthemind

Laughing here!

141 Pyrocles  Thu, Jan 15, 2009 9:31:39am

Uhhh...my head hurts :(

re: #85 faraway

It turns out this silly war doesn't exist - according to our beloved scientists.

Our world may be a giant hologram

You guys thought Genesis was wacky!

142 [deleted]  Thu, Jan 15, 2009 9:31:45am
143 doppelganglander  Thu, Jan 15, 2009 9:31:48am

re: #105 bellamags

Hey there, how have you been?

Not so great, to be honest. I'm waiting to hear how my mom's rotator cuff surgery went this morning. It's not normally a big deal, but she's nearly 80 and general anesthesia can be dangerous for older people. Luckily, she's in very good general health and everything will probably be fine. How's by you?

144 ThinkRight  Thu, Jan 15, 2009 9:31:54am

re: #138 ploome hineni

You are with the program !yeah !
/

145 Nevergiveup  Thu, Jan 15, 2009 9:31:59am

Rangel to reintroduce military draft measure

[Link: thehill.com...]

Maybe he should take care of his ethic problems first?

146 Creeping Eruption  Thu, Jan 15, 2009 9:32:26am
147 paybacktime  Thu, Jan 15, 2009 9:32:41am

Why doesn't Hamas let the ICRC, International Red Cross, visit Gilad Shalit?

What is Hamas hiding?

[Link: www.icrc.org...]

"10-12-2008 Interview
Gaza: still no ICRC access to Gilad Shalit
It has been almost 900 days since the Israeli soldier, Gilad Shalit, was captured by Palestinian armed factions from Gaza. To date, the ICRC's attempts to visit him and to establish contact between him and his family have been unsuccessful. Pierre Wettach, the ICRC's head of delegation in Israel and the occupied territories, explains."

148 faraway  Thu, Jan 15, 2009 9:33:00am

What if a woman floats like a duck?

149 [deleted]  Thu, Jan 15, 2009 9:33:18am
150 Kragar  Thu, Jan 15, 2009 9:33:21am

re: #139 unrealizedviewpoint

Well then why was I so threatened in grammar school that the land under my feet would soon be under water if we didn't do something, and fast?
/

Because it was easier to teach you to be afraid and listen to the nanny state to save world than to teach you history, science, language and math

151 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Jan 15, 2009 9:33:50am

re: #148 faraway

What if a woman floats like a duck?

She has large breasts.

152 Creeping Eruption  Thu, Jan 15, 2009 9:34:17am

re: #149 ploome hineni

OMG..............HE WAS OF THE POLITICAL

WING

Here's a wing. . . heres a leg . . .

153 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Jan 15, 2009 9:34:27am

re: #145 Nevergiveup

Rangel to reintroduce military draft measure

[Link: thehill.com...]

Maybe he should take care of his ethic problems first?

I remember when the Dems were yelling about how Bush was going to reinstate the draft. Now they're doing it.

Why, though? With 0 and his magic unicorn, there will be peace throughout the world, and everyone will be singing kumbaya. Why would we need soldiers?
/

154 redstateredneck  Thu, Jan 15, 2009 9:34:40am

re: #145 Nevergiveup

Rangel to reintroduce military draft measure

[Link: thehill.com...]

Maybe he should take care of his ethic problems first?


I get so tired of that man.

155 lifeofthemind  Thu, Jan 15, 2009 9:35:22am

re: #147 paybacktime

Why doesn't Hamas let the ICRC, International Red Cross, visit Gilad Shalit?

What is Hamas hiding?

[Link: www.icrc.org...]

"10-12-2008 Interview
Gaza: still no ICRC access to Gilad Shalit
It has been almost 900 days since the Israeli soldier, Gilad Shalit, was captured by Palestinian armed factions from Gaza. To date, the ICRC's attempts to visit him and to establish contact between him and his family have been unsuccessful. Pierre Wettach, the ICRC's head of delegation in Israel and the occupied territories, explains."


When anyone is captured by Hamas or Hizbullah after 72 hours it should be Israeli policy to hold a State Funeral. Eliminate the value of holding a prisoner.

156 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Jan 15, 2009 9:35:50am

re: #147 paybacktime

Why doesn't Hamas let the ICRC, International Red Cross, visit Gilad Shalit?

What is Hamas hiding?

[Link: www.icrc.org...]

"10-12-2008 Interview
Gaza: still no ICRC access to Gilad Shalit
It has been almost 900 days since the Israeli soldier, Gilad Shalit, was captured by Palestinian armed factions from Gaza. To date, the ICRC's attempts to visit him and to establish contact between him and his family have been unsuccessful. Pierre Wettach, the ICRC's head of delegation in Israel and the occupied territories, explains."

Israel long ago should have said that if the Red Cross can't visit prisoners Hamas holds, there will be no outside contact with Hamas prisoners.

157 redstateredneck  Thu, Jan 15, 2009 9:36:04am

re: #151 Dark_Falcon

She has large breasts.


Or is fat.

158 FurryOldGuyJeans  Thu, Jan 15, 2009 9:36:42am

re: #125 Kosh's Shadow

And 0bama knows all these answers.

Actually he has Clinton retread advisors that will supply those answers.

159 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Jan 15, 2009 9:37:45am

re: #157 redstateredneck

Or is fat.

That too, but I was trying to give my fellow lizards a good visual.

160 Kragar  Thu, Jan 15, 2009 9:38:34am

re: #156 Kosh's Shadow

Israel long ago should have said that if the Red Cross can't visit prisoners Hamas holds, there will be no outside contact with Hamas prisoners.

I'd have been executing Hamas prisoners the day he was captured until he was returned.

161 lawhawk  Thu, Jan 15, 2009 9:38:49am

re: #149 ploome hineni

OMG..............HE WAS OF THE POLITICAL

WING

No, he was a terrorist. But there's a Hamas wing somewhere that's missing a few feathers.

162 FurryOldGuyJeans  Thu, Jan 15, 2009 9:39:55am

re: #129 wiffersnapper

So we have investigations into white phosphorus for Israel, but give a pass to storing terrorists and weapons in mosques and UN funded schools and hospitals?

I don't get it.

It's racism at the core. Leftists don't expect brown Palis to be civilized and so get a pass, but white Israelis are held to an impossibly high and unattainable standard, just as is the US.

163 Guanxi88  Thu, Jan 15, 2009 9:40:27am

re: #148 faraway

What if a woman floats like a duck?

Then she's made of wood.

164 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Jan 15, 2009 9:40:34am

re: #160 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I'd have been executing Hamas prisoners the day he was captured until he was returned.

They need to be properly interrogated first. Then cremated in rancid lard, wrapped in pigskin, and dropped back into Hamasistan.

165 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Jan 15, 2009 9:40:56am

re: #163 Guanxi88

Then she's made of wood.

She's a witch! Burn her!

166 FurryOldGuyJeans  Thu, Jan 15, 2009 9:41:03am

re: #146 Creeping Eruption

OT: Hamas Interior Minister is Toast

I'd rather pass on slathering butter on that, thank you very much.

167 Guanxi88  Thu, Jan 15, 2009 9:42:22am

re: #146 Creeping Eruption

OT: Hamas Interior Minister is Toast

So, he won't be down for breakfast, eh. Somebody should call Secretary General Moon and tell him not to set a place.

168 Creeping Eruption  Thu, Jan 15, 2009 9:42:50am

re: #166 FurryOldGuyJeans

I'd rather pass on slathering butter on that, thank you very much.

Agreed. Best leave that to his 72 goats he is enjoying.

169 DisturbedEma  Thu, Jan 15, 2009 9:43:25am

re: #155 lifeofthemind

When anyone is captured by Hamas or Hizbullah after 72 hours it should be Israeli policy to hold a State Funeral. Eliminate the value of holding a prisoner.


There is very little, but a little nonetheless, that he is still alive- I just do not think so, but for his family, I am forced to hope against reason, that they spared him. . .

170 PayBackTime  Thu, Jan 15, 2009 9:44:20am

re: #148 faraway

What if a woman floats like a duck?

Then she is a WITCH!

171 DisturbedEma  Thu, Jan 15, 2009 9:44:25am

re: #162 FurryOldGuyJeans

It's racism at the core. Leftists don't expect brown Palis to be civilized and so get a pass, but white Israelis are held to an impossibly high and unattainable standard, just as is the US.

Yeah, racist dismissal of hamas and palestinians as mere animals, made so by Israel of course. . .but animals who are only doing what they think is right. . .

172 FurryOldGuyJeans  Thu, Jan 15, 2009 9:44:44am

re: #168 Creeping Eruption

Agreed. Best leave that to his 72 goats he is enjoying.

Are the goats virgins?

173 Basho  Thu, Jan 15, 2009 9:46:19am

re: #96 doppelganglander

Wouldn't it just stay the same? The cannonball is

displacing the same amount of water whether it's inside the boat or at the bottom of the pool.

That is correct.

re: #88 maddogg

While in the boat, the cannon balls displace their weight in water, when tossed into the water they sink, displacing their volumn. Since iron is more dense than water, the water level will fall.

That is incorrect. The amount of water displaced is always equal to the weight of the object, whether it is floating or not...

174 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Jan 15, 2009 9:46:46am

re: #167 Guanxi88

So, he won't be down for breakfast, eh. Somebody should call Secretary General Moonbat and tell him not to set a place.

175 PayBackTime  Thu, Jan 15, 2009 9:47:07am

Charles Johnson, a suggested improvement.

It would be interesting if users could see who "plusses" or "minuses" posts.

176 [deleted]  Thu, Jan 15, 2009 9:47:13am
177 [deleted]  Thu, Jan 15, 2009 9:47:16am
178 Creeping Eruption  Thu, Jan 15, 2009 9:47:48am

re: #175 PayBackTime

Click on the number and you will see. Its magic.

179 doppelganglander  Thu, Jan 15, 2009 9:48:14am

re: #173 Basho

Now I'm really confused.

180 LGoPs  Thu, Jan 15, 2009 9:48:35am

re: #165 Kosh's Shadow

She's a witch! Burn her!

She turned me into a newt.......

181 Amer-I-Can  Thu, Jan 15, 2009 9:48:56am

re: #11 Cathypop

Why are they not screaming about Ham-ass and the rockets fired into Isreal

Because that would require REAL reporting, and might ruin their perfect record.

182 [deleted]  Thu, Jan 15, 2009 9:50:03am
183 Basho  Thu, Jan 15, 2009 9:50:15am

re: #179 doppelganglander

Now I'm really confused.

lol =)

184 solomonpanting  Thu, Jan 15, 2009 9:50:16am

re: #175 PayBackTime

Charles Johnson, a suggested improvement.

It would be interesting if users could see who "plusses" or "minuses" posts.

Click on the number to the left of the minus icon.

185 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Jan 15, 2009 9:50:39am

re: #180 LGoPs

She turned me into a newt.......

I got better.

186 LGoPs  Thu, Jan 15, 2009 9:50:44am

re: #178 Creeping Eruption

Click on the number and you will see. Its magic.

I believe it's a pfm process that Charles uses for this.......

187 [deleted]  Thu, Jan 15, 2009 9:50:53am
188 FurryOldGuyJeans  Thu, Jan 15, 2009 9:51:14am

re: #171 DisturbedEma

Yeah, racist dismissal of hamas and palestinians as mere animals, made so by Israel of course. . .but animals who are only doing what they think is right. . .

Israel has nothing to do with the patronizing attitude ALL non-whites get from Leftoids, not just Palis. Look at the furor stirred when Bush thought Iraqis were capable of embracing Democracy. Or the Left's uncritical support of Mugabe.

The entire Leftist attitude is one steeped in and shaped by the old Superior Europe meme. Their support of Palis is knee-jerk and unconscious.

189 jwb7605  Thu, Jan 15, 2009 9:51:29am

re: #173 Basho

That is incorrect. The amount of water displaced is always equal to the weight of the object, whether it is floating or not...

Therefore, a surfaced submarine displaces the same amount of water when it submerges?

I'm going to have to ponder that one a while ...

190 kansas  Thu, Jan 15, 2009 9:51:41am

Maybe they should change from phosphorus to pork rinds.

191 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Jan 15, 2009 9:53:57am

re: #190 kansas

Maybe they should change from phosphorus to pork rinds.

Jews don't eat pork, either.

192 lifeofthemind  Thu, Jan 15, 2009 9:54:10am

re: #176 Iron Fist

That's why I won't give another red cent to the ICRC. If they'd quit being anti-US and anti-Semetic, I might give them cash again, but I'm not going to hold my breath.

But the local understands, they do good work, and they are desperate for money, the Red Cross in NY is broke, it is really bad folks and I know, I'm part of it, we do good work, sure the place is full of moonbats but the work is real and not political

193 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Jan 15, 2009 9:54:43am

re: #189 jwb7605

Therefore, a surfaced submarine displaces the same amount of water when it submerges?

I'm going to have to ponder that one a while ...

A sub adds water to sink. They have ballast tanks that are opened to sink, and then blown out by compressed air to surface.

194 PayBackTime  Thu, Jan 15, 2009 9:54:51am

re: #178 Creeping Eruption

It IS magic!

Now I want a pony.

195 jwb7605  Thu, Jan 15, 2009 9:56:26am

re: #193 Kosh's Shadow

A sub adds water to sink. They have ballast tanks that are opened to sink, and then blown out by compressed air to surface.

Right. The water is in a different place, but the weight of the submarine is constant.
Still pondering ...

196 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Jan 15, 2009 9:56:58am

re: #191 Dark_Falcon

Jews don't eat pork, either.

But Jews are allowed to handle it; Muslims aren't.
(Handling dead non-kosher animal does make one ritually impure so those Jews who handle pork won't be able to make sacrifices in the Temple until they have a mikveh (ritual bath) and wait until sunset.
But since there is no Temple right now,...)

197 Basho  Thu, Jan 15, 2009 9:57:41am

re: #179 doppelganglander

Basically imagine a glass filled with, say, clay. Now imagine a glass of equal size filled with water. If the cylinder of clay weighs more than the water it will sink. However, by changing the shape of the clay such that water taking up the same space as the clay weighs more, the clay structure will float. However, the amount of water displaced is the same.

This can be shown easily by filling your sink with water, getting aluminum foil, and laying it flat on the water. (It will float)
You can then squish the aluminum foil into a ball and place it in the water. (It will sink)

Despite the weight being exactly the same, the amount of space it takes up in the water determines whether it sinks or floats. Because the weight doesn't change, the amount of water displaced is the same.

198 lifeofthemind  Thu, Jan 15, 2009 9:58:06am

re: #182 ploome hineni

#155 lifeofthemind

what a fucking stupid thing to say

after 72 hours.......Hamas and Hezballa should hold a STATE FUNERAL every hour until that soldier is realeased

non stop bombing until that sldier is relased
anothe arab dead EVERY HOUR until that soldier is released

do you have any idea of the torture a Jewish Soldier endures at the hands of these fucken animals?

No yes yes and yes
Not a POW of a State? Not seen by the ICRC? Probably dead after torture? End the game refuse to let them be used for propaganda, comfort and mourn and honor them and the family. Then go hunting. I am right here.

199 Basho  Thu, Jan 15, 2009 9:58:43am

re: #193 Kosh's Shadow

A sub adds water to sink. They have ballast tanks that are opened to sink, and then blown out by compressed air to surface.

That is correct. I was just about to write that.

200 mean Gene  Thu, Jan 15, 2009 10:00:33am

It gets me to watch the Gazacam and see the people, adults and children walking up to and picking up smoking stuff off the ground.
IF it is ''white phosphorus'' who's to blame for their burns?
They walked up to it and picked it up!
Over and over I saw scenes of Gazans doing this.
Are they idiots or do Hamas have gunmen off camera forcing them to burn themselves?
Either option is as likely as the other.

201 Basho  Thu, Jan 15, 2009 10:00:49am

re: #195 jwb7605

Right. The water is in a different place, but the weight of the submarine is constant.
Still pondering ...

No the mass changes, which changes the density. Density = mass/volume

202 bellamags  Thu, Jan 15, 2009 10:00:58am

re: #143 doppelganglander

Sorry to hear that about your mom. With my experience, rehab is the most important part of rotator cuff surgery and generally I have seen good results from the surgery, esp. if the tear (i'm guessing thats the prob) is small. She should be ok. Hope she does well.
I have been good. super busy at the shop. Massage therapy appointments are out of control. Clients from 15 yrs. ago are calling. Change in weather causes pain, therefore I get busy. Also, there have been two salons around me (2 sq. blocks) that have closed so I am getting some of their business. Personally, I haven't felt better about life in a long time. I think separating from my hubby worked miracles for me.

203 CIA Reject  Thu, Jan 15, 2009 10:04:51am

re: #197 Basho

Basically imagine a glass filled with, say, clay. Now imagine a glass of equal size filled with water. If the cylinder of clay weighs more than the water it will sink. However, by changing the shape of the clay such that water taking up the same space as the clay weighs more, the clay structure will float. However, the amount of water displaced is the same.

This can be shown easily by filling your sink with water, getting aluminum foil, and laying it flat on the water. (It will float)
You can then squish the aluminum foil into a ball and place it in the water. (It will sink)

Despite the weight being exactly the same, the amount of space it takes up in the water determines whether it sinks or floats. Because the weight doesn't change, the amount of water displaced is the same.

You had it right up til there. In the example you cite the amount of water displaced is a function of the shape of the object, not the object's weight. Hence displacement changes (decreases) when the foil is crumpled, the amount of water displaced by the foil ball is less, the bouyant force produced is less, and the ball sinks.

204 CIA Reject  Thu, Jan 15, 2009 10:09:22am

re: #193 Kosh's Shadow

re: #201 Basho

Submarines are constant weight, variable displacement ships. With dry ballast tanks they displace enough water to produce a bouyant force greater than their weight. With tanks flooded they displace an amount of water that weighs less than they do so they sink.

205 doppelganglander  Thu, Jan 15, 2009 10:09:26am

re: #202 bellamags

Sorry to hear that about your mom. With my experience, rehab is the most important part of rotator cuff surgery and generally I have seen good results from the surgery, esp. if the tear (i'm guessing thats the prob) is small. She should be ok. Hope she does well.
I have been good. super busy at the shop. Massage therapy appointments are out of control. Clients from 15 yrs. ago are calling. Change in weather causes pain, therefore I get busy. Also, there have been two salons around me (2 sq. blocks) that have closed so I am getting some of their business. Personally, I haven't felt better about life in a long time. I think separating from my hubby worked miracles for me.

Thanks for the well wishes. The tear is 3.5 mm, so I don't know whether that's considered large or small. She is scheduled for PT and I think she'll do well. This is a woman who babysits toddler twins several days a week and mowed her own lawn up until a few years ago.

I'm glad to hear business is good. Too bad for the other salons, but great for you. You're definitely a survivor and a real inspiration.

206 schlagerman  Thu, Jan 15, 2009 10:13:02am

#19 Thanos

I saw a video a few months ago where the interviewer was talking to various leftists at a demonstration in DC (I think it was DC. The specifics escape me at the moment). The whole point of the vidoe was to show that these demonstrators didn't know what the hell they were even protesting. Anyway, one of the questions asked was if the interviewee would sign a petition to ban dihydrogen monoxide. They had no idea what the interviewer was talking about, yet signed the petition anyway. Gives you a nice insight into the mindset and mental capabilities of some of those in moonbat land. I wish I could remember the specifics. I'd like to watch it again to get a good laugh.

207 Basho  Thu, Jan 15, 2009 10:14:18am

re: #203 CIA Reject

lol
I'll shuddup before everyone becomes completely confused...
I have to do my own experiment to verify, but I really can't see how the water level can change by changing an objects shape. The amount of water I would displace in a pool should be the same whether I'm cuddled up in a ball or laying flat on my back.

208 Basho  Thu, Jan 15, 2009 10:17:25am

re: #207 Basho

Hmm, nevermind. I think I got it. You are correct..... I think. Anyway, I admit I may be wrong. My bad =P

209 CIA Reject  Thu, Jan 15, 2009 10:21:43am

re: #207 Basho

lol
I'll shuddup before everyone becomes completely confused...
I have to do my own experiment to verify, but I really can't see how the water level can change by changing an objects shape. The amount of water I would displace in a pool should be the same whether I'm cuddled up in a ball or laying flat on my back.

If that were true then you would have no way of changing the buoyant force on your body (which is proportional to the weight of the displaced fluid) and you would either always sink or always float regardless of whether you stretched out on your back or rolled up in a ball.

210 Throbert McGee  Thu, Jan 15, 2009 10:30:14am

re: #96 doppelganglander

Wouldn't it just stay the same? The cannonball is displacing the same amount of water whether it's inside the boat or at the bottom of the pool.

Thought experiment: Take two Tupperware containers and float them in a bathtub. Into one container, place a ping-pong ball; into the other, place a sphere of lead identical in size to the ping-pong ball.

Which container "rides lower" in the bathtub? The one with the lead ball, obviously -- and thus it displaces more water than the one with a ping-pong ball, despite the fact that the balls themselves are identical in volume.

211 descolada9  Thu, Jan 15, 2009 10:38:11am

WHo gives a crap what the ICRC has to say or what the leftists have to say?

212 maddogg  Thu, Jan 15, 2009 10:41:05am

re: #173 Basho

re: #96 doppelganglander


That is incorrect. The amount of water displaced is always equal to the weight of the object, whether it is floating or not...


I suggest you review your basic physics.

213 Throbert McGee  Thu, Jan 15, 2009 10:41:34am

re: #209 CIA Reject

If that were true then you would have no way of changing the buoyant force on your body (which is proportional to the weight of the displaced fluid) and you would either always sink or always float regardless of whether you stretched out on your back or rolled up in a ball.

Um, if your lungs are filled with air, you'll float at the surface even while curled in a ball, while drowning victims whose lungs are completely filled with water may tend to sink even if they're "stretched out." (Although variables like body fat also affect their buoyancy.)

214 stanleymberg  Thu, Jan 15, 2009 10:46:19am

Hitler Dinner Jacket urges mass extermination of Jews:
[Link: www.breitbart.com...]

215 iowavette  Thu, Jan 15, 2009 10:47:25am

I believe the Int'l Red Cross better stay out of it if they ever want to see a "red" cent from my part of the country again. As it is, prior Bush bashing sealed the deal for me.

216 Amer-I-Can  Thu, Jan 15, 2009 10:53:35am

Wow, you just KNOW that it pained the IRC to admit this. They are about as Anti-Israel as the Red Crescent (sic?).

217 Yashmak  Thu, Jan 15, 2009 10:53:40am
which ignites when it strikes the skin

Yet another shocking display of ignorance by the media. What a surprise.

It ignites (typically) on impact, or when triggered by a fuse. It doesn't ignite when it hits skin.
But of course, saying it ignites on impact with skin makes it sound OH so much more inhumane. . .which was probably the point.

218 CIA Reject  Thu, Jan 15, 2009 10:59:15am

re: #213 Throbert McGee

Um, if your lungs are filled with air, you'll float at the surface even while curled in a ball, while drowning victims whose lungs are completely filled with water may tend to sink even if they're "stretched out." (Although variables like body fat also affect their buoyancy.)

When you fill your lungs with air your chest expands and the overall surface area of your body increases. This causes it to displace more water, and therefor the buoyant force on it increases and it is easier to float.

My point in my previous post is that the buoyant force is proportional to the weight of the water displaced by the object, not by the weight of the object itself. Therefore anything can be made to float if you can get it to assume a shape that displaces a volume of water that weighs more than it does.

219 Sizzlack  Thu, Jan 15, 2009 11:00:59am
a human rights organization accused the Jewish state of using the incendiary agent

Maybe I just haven't noticed but is referring to Israel as 'the Jewish state' normal? When the AP writes articles on Saudi Arabia or Iran I'm pretty sure they refer to those countries by those names, not 'the Muslim states'.

220 Canoe Train  Thu, Jan 15, 2009 11:26:42am

re: #19 Thanos

LOL! up-ding!

221 Canoe Train  Thu, Jan 15, 2009 11:28:34am

Ha. Well . . . leftists are certain not to let something as trivial as legality and lawful use impede them from their criticisms or worldview or opinion, or anything.

222 wiffersnapper  Thu, Jan 15, 2009 1:24:16pm

re: #162 FurryOldGuyJeans

Probably should have add /sarc at the end of my post! ;)

223 Dead Sea Squirrel  Thu, Jan 15, 2009 3:57:59pm

A quibble.

Judging from the quotes in the article, it looks like the ICRC is only saying that they have no evidence that Israel is doing anything illegal. That's not quitethe same as asserting that Israel is not doing anything illegal, as the article title (reproduced by Charles) might suggest. What the ICRC actually says is honest enough: they don't know. It's been so long since I've seen a pro-Israel spin on a MSM article that I can hardly believe my eyes, but this looks like it.

Pigs not just flying, but orbiting Jupiter and returning.

224 Kelidor  Thu, Jan 15, 2009 5:01:42pm

The US and the British armies use white phosphorous as smokescreen all the time in Iraq. What's the beef? Maybe it's just Anti -Semitism, 2.0?

225 Render  Thu, Jan 15, 2009 5:07:07pm

re: #217 Yashmak

Actually, WP ignites on contact with oxygen.

FINIAN
FIRE,
R

226 Render  Thu, Jan 15, 2009 5:36:50pm

re: #224 Kelidor

UN forces in the Korean War used tens of thousands of tons of WP.

Russia fired so much WP into Grozny ('94) that one out of every four artillery shells was WP or smoke.

China is the worlds largest producer of military grade WP. Chinese WP shells were seen being used against civilians during the Tianemen Square massacre.

WP is used by almost every single military on the planet.

The US 4.2 inch 107mm mortar (now obsolete) was known as the "chemical" mortar and was used in units that were called chemical battalions. There were 32 of those battalions in US service. Their primary purpose was to fire concentrations of illumination, WP, and smoke shells.

[Link: www.4point2.org...]

RHEINGOLD,
R


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