US Airways Plane Crashes into Hudson River
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The media are reporting that everyone made it out alive… the plane was only in the air for about three minutes…
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zombie Thu, Jan 15, 2009 1:28:45pm |
At least -- no bodies yet found. Apparently everyone successfully evacuated after landing. Climbed out on the wings.
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Kosh's Shadow Thu, Jan 15, 2009 1:28:59pm |
I heard some geese were on a jihad. Or maybe it was the al-Capon clan looking to get virgin chicks.
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astronmr20 Thu, Jan 15, 2009 1:29:09pm |
A re-post from the previous thread;
We can also thank the US military, for training so many of our fine commercial jet pilots.
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joncelli Thu, Jan 15, 2009 1:29:24pm |
Kudos to the pilot. And looking at that water, I can feel my testes retract. Nipppppppppy.
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Nevergiveup Thu, Jan 15, 2009 1:29:40pm |
FOX is saying that 2 tugs have a cable thru and around the plane to prevent it from sinking
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astronmr20 Thu, Jan 15, 2009 1:30:04pm |
re: #3 zombie
At least -- no bodies yet found. Apparently everyone successfully evacuated after landing. Climbed out on the wings.
...and so many times I scoffed at being "the person at the emergency exit" so I can have more legroom. Maybe I should read the instructions next time.
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astronmr20 Thu, Jan 15, 2009 1:30:28pm |
re: #7 Nevergiveup
FOX is saying that 2 tugs have a cable thru and around the plane to prevent it from sinking
Incredible. How the hell did they do that?
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zombie Thu, Jan 15, 2009 1:30:43pm |
Gee, I wouldn't want to be the US Airways Public Relations Director, seeing that photo (at top of threead) plastered all over the media.
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Peacekeeper Thu, Jan 15, 2009 1:30:48pm |
Damn fine flying.
The air crew, not the geese.
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Thu, Jan 15, 2009 1:30:56pm |
Way to go New York! I'm hearing that there was an immediate response both by officials and local people.
I love this country sometimes.
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beblebrox Thu, Jan 15, 2009 1:30:58pm |
I'm sure there some cameras pointed in that direction. I'd be curious to see the landing.
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WriterMom Thu, Jan 15, 2009 1:31:03pm |
That there were no fatalities is really miraculous-and the best good news story out of a bad news story possible.
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Nevergiveup Thu, Jan 15, 2009 1:31:07pm |
re: #11 astronmr20
Incredible. How the hell did they do that?
the doors are open and I guess some divers ran the cable?
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jones Thu, Jan 15, 2009 1:31:08pm |
I'm hearing geese were the cause. Lawm rats. In certains areas, we need to start treating them more like vermin and less like migratory waterfowl.
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lawhawk Thu, Jan 15, 2009 1:31:11pm |
Reported that it was a double bird strike, called an emergency, but couldn't return to airport. LGA is open for business. Flight 1549 involved. All passengers and crew removed safely.
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spirochete Thu, Jan 15, 2009 1:31:17pm |
re: #9 astronmr20
re: #3 zombie
...and so many times I scoffed at being "the person at the emergency exit" so I can have more legroom. Maybe I should read the instructions next time.
Everytime my daughterand i get on a plane, I make her count the rows to the forward exit and rear exit, in case we have to crawl in the dark.
I hope everyone is safe from that crash.
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astronmr20 Thu, Jan 15, 2009 1:31:29pm |
re: #12 zombie
Gee, I wouldn't want to be the US Airways Public Relations Director, seeing that photo (at top of threead) plastered all over the media.
I would.
"We have the bet pilots in the world."
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jwb7605 Thu, Jan 15, 2009 1:31:30pm |
re: #7 Nevergiveup
FOX is saying that 2 tugs have a cable thru and around the plane to prevent it from sinking
This is still Bush's fault for the next five days. Response was too slow!
... or, maybe people have figured out the concept of teamwork. Including the passengers.
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Kragar Thu, Jan 15, 2009 1:31:38pm |
Again, the tugs and ferries who got out there to pull the people out of the water so fast deserve recognition.
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jaunte Thu, Jan 15, 2009 1:31:39pm |
re: #12 zombie
"Wet or dry, we land in one piece."
-- US Airways
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jcm Thu, Jan 15, 2009 1:31:40pm |
re: #7 Nevergiveup
FOX is saying that 2 tugs have a cable thru and around the plane to prevent it from sinking
Outstanding job, by the flight crew NYPD, NYFD and Weehawken PD and FD.
NO Major Injuries.
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astronmr20 Thu, Jan 15, 2009 1:32:05pm |
re: #17 Nevergiveup
the doors are open and I guess some divers ran the cable?
Maybe,
But navigating the forces of the current, the cable, the plane, and the tugboats?
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zombie Thu, Jan 15, 2009 1:32:08pm |
Breaking:
Surviving passenger William Shatner reports seeing "a MONSTER on the wing!"
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WriterMom Thu, Jan 15, 2009 1:32:17pm |
Can you imagine how the forces of darkness would have delighted in tragedy.
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Nevergiveup Thu, Jan 15, 2009 1:32:22pm |
re: #17 Nevergiveup
the doors are open and I guess some divers ran the cable?
You can actually see that big tug has a cable running from the airline to the tug
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Creeping Eruption Thu, Jan 15, 2009 1:32:22pm |
re: #25 jcm
Outstanding job, by the flight crew NYPD, NYFD and Weehawken PD and FD.
NO Major Injuries.
Just many soiled pants
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Throbert McGee Thu, Jan 15, 2009 1:32:26pm |
Wow! It's really lucky that the fuselage apparently didn't rupture/flood, since otherwise I expect a lot of people would've died from the freezing water.
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Gella Thu, Jan 15, 2009 1:32:27pm |
good job to pilot and a crew for saving everybody
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mean Gene Thu, Jan 15, 2009 1:32:31pm |
Maybe there's hope for a goose unlimited hunt week all across the goose lane in North America.
There are way too many of them and all that great food just goes to waste.
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jwb7605 Thu, Jan 15, 2009 1:32:32pm |
re: #11 astronmr20
Incredible. How the hell did they do that?
go downstream, string a cable between 2 tugs.
let the center drop to the bottom, and wait for the plane to float by.
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jcbunga Thu, Jan 15, 2009 1:32:43pm |
God bless the flight crew.
Heroes prepared for the moment and they did not fail.
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MandyManners Thu, Jan 15, 2009 1:32:52pm |
And people think I'm crazy for refusing to fly.
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astronmr20 Thu, Jan 15, 2009 1:33:04pm |
re: #19 lawhawk
Reported that it was a double bird strike, called an emergency, but couldn't return to airport. LGA is open for business. Flight 1549 involved. All passengers and crew removed safely.
Nice job pilots, awesome job first responders, great job flight attendants!
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RightLogic Thu, Jan 15, 2009 1:33:21pm |
The amazing thing was watching the rescue take place as the strong current of the Hudson River (and it is very strong) took the plane and the rescue vessels southward toward the lower end of Manhattan.
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Nevergiveup Thu, Jan 15, 2009 1:33:23pm |
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Creeping Eruption Thu, Jan 15, 2009 1:33:31pm |
re: #38 MandyManners
And people think I'm crazy for refusing to fly.
Does kind of limit your travel options.
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jcm Thu, Jan 15, 2009 1:33:37pm |
Port Authority statement. No major injuries, passengers and crew cold and wet.
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really grumpy big dog johnson Thu, Jan 15, 2009 1:33:42pm |
This is jaw-droppingly amazing!
Apparently the pilot lost both engines when colliding with a flock of geese, circled the airport and realized there was no chance of a safe landing, then ditched - intact - in the Hudson!
Early reports is that there are no life-threatening injuries, and everyone has evacuated. First responders were commercial ferries, and they were on the scene within 2-3 minutes.
Amazing isn't even strong enough a word.
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jwb7605 Thu, Jan 15, 2009 1:34:21pm |
re: #34 mean Gene
Maybe there's hope for a goose unlimited hunt week all across the goose lane in North America.
There are way too many of them and all that great food just goes to waste.
You can thank that extremist group Ducks Unlimited.
Then thank the bunny-huggers for short hunting seasons, low limits.
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jcm Thu, Jan 15, 2009 1:34:37pm |
re: #38 MandyManners
And people think I'm crazy for refusing to fly.
Many times more likely to die driving.
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Gella Thu, Jan 15, 2009 1:35:07pm |
more on this crush here
[Link: www.airliners.net...]
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Nevergiveup Thu, Jan 15, 2009 1:35:09pm |
To get from La Guardia to the Hudson the pilot had to transit Manhattan. Dam fine job.
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yochanan Thu, Jan 15, 2009 1:35:16pm |
Blessed are you Hashem, or G-d King of the universe Who is good and does good.
not one person killed such a miracle
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spirochete Thu, Jan 15, 2009 1:35:22pm |
Man. From that picture, no one's even in the water.
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lifeofthemind Thu, Jan 15, 2009 1:35:50pm |
Knowing USAir they probably stopped the crews flight time and pay the second it "touched down"
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doppelganglander Thu, Jan 15, 2009 1:35:58pm |
Fabulous work on the part of the pilot, the Coast Guard, and the ferry and tugboat operators. Kudos all around!
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opnion Thu, Jan 15, 2009 1:36:11pm |
This is great news if all survived.
The stories about crew conduct & The quick rescue response should be realkly interesting.
Looks like this guy can reall handle an aircraft.
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DeafDog Thu, Jan 15, 2009 1:36:28pm |
re: #27 zombie
Breaking:
Surviving passenger William Shatner reports seeing "a MONSTER on the wing!"
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Kragar Thu, Jan 15, 2009 1:36:30pm |
CAIR has issued a statement warning to watch out for anti-geese violence in the aftermath of the crash.
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MandyManners Thu, Jan 15, 2009 1:36:36pm |
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astronmr20 Thu, Jan 15, 2009 1:36:47pm |
re: #46 really grumpy big dog johnson
This is jaw-droppingly amazing!
Apparently the pilot lost both engines when colliding with a flock of geese, circled the airport and realized there was no chance of a safe landing, then ditched - intact - in the Hudson!
Early reports is that there are no life-threatening injuries, and everyone has evacuated. First responders were commercial ferries, and they were on the scene within 2-3 minutes.
Amazing isn't even strong enough a word.
Indeed. x1000
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Bob Dillon Thu, Jan 15, 2009 1:36:57pm |
re: #13 Peacekeeper
Damn fine flying.
The air crew, not the geese.
And the First Responders - awesome job.
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mdaspinall Thu, Jan 15, 2009 1:37:00pm |
Oh that is just going to spoil Dinner Jackets day..
Two results in one day..(Hamas Hole-in-one crater Said Siam) and now everyone surviving a water landing - magick !
There IS a god..
Super Pilot...Oh I am soooooo happy
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reine.de.tout Thu, Jan 15, 2009 1:37:10pm |
re: #1 zombie
Hearing right now: everyone survived.
Everyone survived!
A miracle.
That is wonderful news.
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jcm Thu, Jan 15, 2009 1:37:13pm |
re: #61 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
CAIR has issued a statement warning to watch out for anti-geese violence in the aftermath of the crash.
Okay....
*puts away shotgun*
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Ringo the Gringo Thu, Jan 15, 2009 1:37:20pm |
Well, a bunch of folks are going to have a heck of a story to tell their friends and family.
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MandyManners Thu, Jan 15, 2009 1:37:23pm |
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reine.de.tout Thu, Jan 15, 2009 1:37:35pm |
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lifeofthemind Thu, Jan 15, 2009 1:37:42pm |
Double bird strike
Will the punsters go for a bowling theme or baseball?
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jwb7605 Thu, Jan 15, 2009 1:37:47pm |
re: #47 jones
I give up. Darn geese.
Did the geese have Visas? Passports?
Will this involve more security at the passenger check?
How much do we know about the religion of these geese?
Was there a mastermind?
My first thought is that these are CANADIAN geese!
The borders are too porous!
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Gella Thu, Jan 15, 2009 1:37:49pm |
great excuse by FAA
Due to WX / WIND, there is a Traffic Management Program in effect for traffic arriving La Guardia Airport, New York, NY (LGA). This is causing some arriving flights to be delayed an average of 1 hour and 21 minutes. To see if you may be affected, select your departure airport and check "Delays by Destination
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alegrias Thu, Jan 15, 2009 1:38:18pm |
re: #14 EmmmieG
Way to go New York! I'm hearing that there was an immediate response both by officials and local people.
I love this country sometimes.
* * * *
Please note, no Kennedy participated in this selfless public service.
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Nevergiveup Thu, Jan 15, 2009 1:38:25pm |
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Ringo the Gringo Thu, Jan 15, 2009 1:38:29pm |
MandyManners,
I hate flying too.
....but I still do it.
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Picayune Thu, Jan 15, 2009 1:38:32pm |
Both engines were hit by geese. That' s some Cool pilots, found the only open area to put down. Hope I never have to hear, "all brace for impact!"
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reine.de.tout Thu, Jan 15, 2009 1:38:44pm |
re: #11 astronmr20
Incredible. How the hell did they do that?
We in this country care about folks, including complete strangers, and will figure out how to do anything.
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faraway Thu, Jan 15, 2009 1:39:02pm |
Breaking: AP reports US Airways jet shot down by Israelis with white phosphorous weapon.
/
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Walter L. Newton Thu, Jan 15, 2009 1:39:08pm |
Size, size, that Airbus 320, I'm not familiar with it. It looks like about the size of a 727 or a DC10, smaller short hope airplane.
I know the Airbus I take to Frankfort all the time is a 380, holds a boatload of passengers (no pun intended).
How many does this hold?
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Guanxi88 Thu, Jan 15, 2009 1:39:11pm |
re: #76 alegrias
* * * *
Please note, no Kennedy participated in this selfless public service.
What, I thought Teddy was driving out there...
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astronmr20 Thu, Jan 15, 2009 1:39:14pm |
re: #76 alegrias
* * * *
Please note, no Kennedy participated in this selfless public service.
Careful what you say about Kennedys and vehicles near bodies of water..
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DeafDog Thu, Jan 15, 2009 1:39:15pm |
re: #69 Ringo the Gringo
Well, a bunch of folks are going to have a heck of a story to tell their friends and family.
But it may take them a day to drive down to Charlotte to see them.
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MandyManners Thu, Jan 15, 2009 1:39:23pm |
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Maximu§ Thu, Jan 15, 2009 1:39:32pm |
That water looks cold. Thank God everyone made it out alive. I declare a Jihad on all Geese!
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Walter L. Newton Thu, Jan 15, 2009 1:39:38pm |
re: #79 Picayune
Both engines were hit by geese. That' s some Cool pilots, found the only open area to put down. Hope I never have to hear, "all brace for impact!"
PETA's gonna be pissed!
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jaunte Thu, Jan 15, 2009 1:40:06pm |
re: #83 Walter L. Newton
Here's an A320 chart:
Image: clickair%20airbus%20320.jpg
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beblebrox Thu, Jan 15, 2009 1:40:16pm |
re: #81 spirochete
The pilot didn't duck his responsibility.
hope the doctor who checks the out isn't some sort of a quack.
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coldpizza Thu, Jan 15, 2009 1:40:16pm |
My Friggin Rooster Cam isnt working anymore... sheesh...
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alegrias Thu, Jan 15, 2009 1:40:31pm |
re: #81 spirochete
The pilot didn't duck his responsibility.
* * * *
Everyone order more Peking Duck and Duck a la Orange.
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opnion Thu, Jan 15, 2009 1:40:31pm |
I am not saying that these geese immigrated to Canada from Pakistan,but I am not saying that they didn't.
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Guanxi88 Thu, Jan 15, 2009 1:40:33pm |
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Kragar Thu, Jan 15, 2009 1:40:37pm |
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lifeofthemind Thu, Jan 15, 2009 1:40:43pm |
Canadian geese are big, the beast wanted to go at a flock n the park and I explained carefully that they could kill him.
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spirochete Thu, Jan 15, 2009 1:40:53pm |
I was over the English channel in a 747 that had a bird strike. Damn scary. I only found out later that those things can fly without some of the engines even working.
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Sharmuta Thu, Jan 15, 2009 1:40:54pm |
re: #88 Maximu§
That water looks cold. Thank God everyone made it out alive. I declare a Jihad on all Geese!
Don't be ridiculous- what would the socialites do without their pate?
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astronmr20 Thu, Jan 15, 2009 1:40:55pm |
Just called my boss. I'm in Charlotte, he's in Manhattan. We both frequent US airways to and from Laguadia airport.
He had no idea!
Me: Did you go for a swim?
Him: What are you talking about?
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Bloodnok Thu, Jan 15, 2009 1:41:21pm |
re: #72 lifeofthemind
Double bird strike
Will the punsters go for a bowling theme or baseball?
Was Sarah Palin being interviewed nearby?
/
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Walter L. Newton Thu, Jan 15, 2009 1:41:22pm |
re: #90 jaunte
Here's an A320 chart:
[Link: www.airlinesafetycards.be...]
Yep, capacity like a DC10, actually a little bigger.
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CyanSnowHawk Thu, Jan 15, 2009 1:41:43pm |
re: #51 jcm
Many times more likely to die driving.
But a driving fatality is not national news. The danger is amplified way out of proportion to the risk. Always has been with airline travel. I have great trouble getting Mrs. Hawk on a plane.
I won't fly for a trip that I can easily drive (
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lifeofthemind Thu, Jan 15, 2009 1:42:13pm |
The Hamas Rooster has been reverting the Canadian geese, he was transmitting secret messages using the computers of unwitting lizards.
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Gella Thu, Jan 15, 2009 1:42:18pm |
re: #83 Walter L. Newton
380?>? really, woow, probably 340
here is the plane
[Link: www.seatguru.com...]
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Czarny_Smok Thu, Jan 15, 2009 1:42:31pm |
First successful ditching of an airliner since 1956, successful being defined as no loss of life, and maintaining structural integrity of aircraft. Awesome job by pilot and crew, this is a rare event, and thankfully, a happy ending!
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mdaspinall Thu, Jan 15, 2009 1:42:38pm |
re: #98 Guanxi88
Them female bearded geese with the small eyes
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vagabond trader Thu, Jan 15, 2009 1:42:39pm |
Holy cats, I never had such a smooth landing with US Airways.
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MandyManners Thu, Jan 15, 2009 1:42:44pm |
re: #78 Ringo the Gringo
MandyManners,
I hate flying too.
....but I still do it.
I just cannot. The last time I flew, we were landing at Stapleton (yes, it's been a long time) when the pilot shoved the plane into a vertical climb just as the rear wheels touched down. It turned out that there was a plane crossing the tarmac in front of us. I was in 1A so, I would've been one of the first to go.
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alegrias Thu, Jan 15, 2009 1:43:13pm |
re: #99 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
re: #76 alegrias
re: #14 EmmmieG
* * * *
Please note, no Kennedy participated in this selfless public service.
Kennedy's aren't well know for going into rivers for crash survivors
* * * *
Ted had a sense of humor though naming his French water poodle "Splash" or was it "Crash"?
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lifeofthemind Thu, Jan 15, 2009 1:43:20pm |
re: #104 Charles
That must have been quite a gaggle.
There are seven geese in a gaggle. You must run seven times around the seven hills of Rome before I say the soothe again.
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MandyManners Thu, Jan 15, 2009 1:43:36pm |
re: #79 Picayune
Both engines were hit by geese. That' s some Cool pilots, found the only open area to put down. Hope I never have to hear, "all brace for impact!"
For real?
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Walter L. Newton Thu, Jan 15, 2009 1:43:41pm |
re: #100 lifeofthemind
Canadian geese are big, the beast wanted to go at a flock n the park and I explained carefully that they could kill him.
We have so many of them here in Colorado that I think it should be legal to kill them. The homeless could have a feast. We get a lot of them that winter here, and summer here, and, well, just stay the fuck here. Hundreds of them. And they poop all over the place. And they will stop traffic, walking across the streets (they don't seem to be too afraid of cars).
They are a pain in the ass.
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faraway Thu, Jan 15, 2009 1:43:42pm |
Someone take a gander at that plane and see if its sinking
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coldpizza Thu, Jan 15, 2009 1:43:46pm |
I have turned on at least half a dozen friends to the Rooster Cam over the last few days.. The rooster Crows at around 9:45pm EST.. But it doesn't seem to be connecting anymore?
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Creeping Eruption Thu, Jan 15, 2009 1:43:47pm |
re: #101 spirochete
I was over the English channel in a 747 that had a bird strike. Damn scary. I only found out later that those things can fly without some of the engines even working.
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bulwrk Thu, Jan 15, 2009 1:43:50pm |
In related news the Obama transition team has announced goose is now on the menu for the inaugural ball
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Throbert McGee Thu, Jan 15, 2009 1:44:02pm |
re: #27 zombie
Breaking:
Surviving passenger William Shatner reports seeing "a MONSTER on the wing!"
The John Lithgow update is possibly the only segment in Twilight Zone: The Movie that improved on the original episode -- the fuzzy ape-creature that Shatner saw was hella ghey.
But anyway, since there were no fatalities and we can joke, I'm reminded of a classic Far Side cartoon featuring an avian reporter from the Bird News Network, live from the scene of a fiery plane crash: "Authorities believe that the name of the pigeon sucked into the 747's engines was Herbert Schwartz."
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mdaspinall Thu, Jan 15, 2009 1:44:03pm |
Its a Zionist Plot to divert attention - Dinner Jacket's Pre-Brief for tomorrow.
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Gella Thu, Jan 15, 2009 1:44:15pm |
i guess tonight in New York they will have poultry dinner
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jcm Thu, Jan 15, 2009 1:44:31pm |
re: #70 MandyManners
How many fender-bender's can you survive at 30,000 feet?
1 out of 6800 drivers dies in an auto accidents.
1 in 1.6 million airline passengers die in accidents.
on an annual basis.
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snowcrash Thu, Jan 15, 2009 1:44:41pm |
A huge tragedy avoided. Lucky, lucky day for the passengers.
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Sheila Broflovski Thu, Jan 15, 2009 1:44:42pm |
A previous unknown terrorist group, based in Canada is claiming credit: "Al-Birda" with its specially trained suicide geese.
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Bloodnok Thu, Jan 15, 2009 1:44:42pm |
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CyanSnowHawk Thu, Jan 15, 2009 1:44:53pm |
re: #82 faraway
Breaking: AP reports US Airways jet shot down by Israelis with white phosphorous weapon.
/
Hamas claims 164 Israelis died on a plane shot down over the Hudson River.
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Walter L. Newton Thu, Jan 15, 2009 1:44:55pm |
re: #116 WriterMom
No, I'm having a really good time being pissed this afternoon. Don't harsh my grumpiness :)
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jcm Thu, Jan 15, 2009 1:45:00pm |
re: #82 faraway
Breaking: AP reports US Airways jet shot down by Israelis with white phosphorous weapon.
/
Hamassholes had a mortar set up on the wing.....
///
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zombie Thu, Jan 15, 2009 1:45:14pm |
re: #104 Charles
That must have been quite a gaggle.
Actually -- it wasn't a gaggle of geese at all! ! !
Why not? Because a "gaggle" only refers to geese that are not airborne. I.e. gaggles are always on the ground.
If geese are in flight, they are a flock or a "skein."
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alegrias Thu, Jan 15, 2009 1:45:20pm |
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spirochete Thu, Jan 15, 2009 1:45:41pm |
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Dan G. Thu, Jan 15, 2009 1:45:46pm |
...your seats can be used for flotation devices... HA, finally, some vindication for whoever thought that up!
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MandyManners Thu, Jan 15, 2009 1:46:03pm |
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CyanSnowHawk Thu, Jan 15, 2009 1:46:04pm |
re: #83 Walter L. Newton
Size, size, that Airbus 320, I'm not familiar with it. It looks like about the size of a 727 or a DC10, smaller short hope airplane.
I know the Airbus I take to Frankfort all the time is a 380, holds a boatload of passengers (no pun intended).
How many does this hold?
320 is a little larger than a Boeing 737. About 120 passenger capacity.
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ArchangelMichael Thu, Jan 15, 2009 1:46:25pm |
re: #126 mdaspinall
In this case who were the self-subserviant zionist honcos? The pilots or geese?
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vagabond trader Thu, Jan 15, 2009 1:46:34pm |
re: #116 WriterMom
lol, my wife makes a very good roasted Palistinian.
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beblebrox Thu, Jan 15, 2009 1:46:59pm |
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Bloodnok Thu, Jan 15, 2009 1:47:18pm |
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CyanSnowHawk Thu, Jan 15, 2009 1:47:23pm |
re: #141 CyanSnowHawk
320 is a little larger than a Boeing 737. About 120 passenger capacity.
Whoops, my mistake, about 180 passenger cap. twice that of a 737.
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mdaspinall Thu, Jan 15, 2009 1:47:23pm |
A previous unknown terrorist group, based in Canada is claiming credit: "Al-Birda" with its specially trained suicide geese.
Ahhh the afterlife of 72 virgin geese...
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coldpizza Thu, Jan 15, 2009 1:47:35pm |
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WestTexas Thu, Jan 15, 2009 1:47:41pm |
Sorry to go OT so soon and to turn the thread to a gun one but.....
I just bought another gun, it is a Stoeger Cougar 8000 9mm. I have one tattoo and when I got it everyone told me I would want another one. That it would be like an addiction. It didn't turn out that way, but it sure has with firearms.
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Creeping Eruption Thu, Jan 15, 2009 1:47:42pm |
At least the US Airways spokesman won't have to eat crow on this one
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lifeofthemind Thu, Jan 15, 2009 1:47:47pm |
The Red Cross wants to know if I can help, so if I can't seem to make money I may as well be useful, later gators.
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Throbert McGee Thu, Jan 15, 2009 1:47:50pm |
re: #55 zombie
"There's a monster on the wing! Doesn't anybody else see it?"
Come to think of it, the "monster" reminds me of Jeff Goldblum et al. in Earth Girls Are Easy.
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bulwrk Thu, Jan 15, 2009 1:48:36pm |
This near tragedy could have been avoided if the geese had honked first before trying to cross the Hudson
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maddogg Thu, Jan 15, 2009 1:49:18pm |
re: #38 MandyManners
And people think I'm crazy for refusing to fly.
Actually, Mandy. As a Mechanical Engineer with 25 years of experience, including the aircraft industry, I can tell you that every time an airliner takes off and lands in one piece, it is a minor miracle.
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Thu, Jan 15, 2009 1:49:53pm |
Just feeling good today. Feeling like that Doctor Who episode, "The Empty Child" where he says, "Just once, everybody lives!"
The rest is just metal.
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MandyManners Thu, Jan 15, 2009 1:49:55pm |
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opnion Thu, Jan 15, 2009 1:49:57pm |
re: #130 Alouette
A previous unknown terrorist group, based in Canada is claiming credit: "Al-Birda" with its specially trained suicide geese.
"Achmed, Achmed we are going in"
'Inshalla Mohammod, we are going in other engine'
'May we all get 72 virgin ganders."
'Honk, honk, Allah goosebar"
| 164 |
alegrias Thu, Jan 15, 2009 1:50:11pm |
re: #153 lifeofthemind
The Red Cross wants to know if I can help, so if I can't seem to make money I may as well be useful, later gators.
* * *
Thanks for helping out; may there be a job referral in your future.
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dhimmwit Thu, Jan 15, 2009 1:50:21pm |
re: #53 Nevergiveup
To get from La Guardia to the Hudson the pilot had to transit Manhattan. Dam fine job.
Probably the pilot had to goose the engine in order to make it.
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mdaspinall Thu, Jan 15, 2009 1:50:37pm |
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David IV of Georgia Thu, Jan 15, 2009 1:50:37pm |
Charles is playing with scripts again, right?
Firefox wouldn't load LGF completely.
I'm using Camino now. Had to kill one script to do so.
The passengers made it off, everything went like a textbook exercise.
Apparently birds took out both engines.
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Alberta Oil Peon Thu, Jan 15, 2009 1:50:41pm |
Kee-ripes!
The MSM; them I can see calling a forced landing a "crash." They couldn't find their own buttholes with a flashlight and a GPS.
But I expected better from LGF.
This wasn't a crash. The pilot was clearly in control. Had he not been, there would have been a whole mess of fatalities.
Props to the US Airways pilot!
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spirochete Thu, Jan 15, 2009 1:50:42pm |
I love this website. It has cockpit recordings from planes as they crash. Kind of morbid
[Link: www.airdisaster.com...]
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mfarmer1 Thu, Jan 15, 2009 1:50:58pm |
I flew US Air last weekend and sat in an emergency row. Before we took off, the flight attendant seated facing us was very descriptive about her training and how they go through a yearly certification. Random people are recruited and paid to act as if they're in an emergency situation. She was very graphic, detailing how everyone screams, that there's always smoke and loud explosions, etc. She said the sound effects were deafening. They get 90 seconds to get everyone out safely. If they fail, they can't fly anymore and have to go through re-training and pass the test again. I found the conversation very informative, but my wife and the lady next to me weren't so thrilled by the looks on their faces. Can't say I didn't think about what she had just told us however as we took off.
Looks like the training paid off here. Kudos to the crew and passengers of this flight!
| 172 |
jcbunga Thu, Jan 15, 2009 1:51:03pm |
...Owners of the plane hoping for government bail out...
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maddogg Thu, Jan 15, 2009 1:51:10pm |
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MandyManners Thu, Jan 15, 2009 1:51:26pm |
re: #158 maddogg
re: #38 MandyManners
Actually, Mandy. As a Mechanical Engineer with 25 years of experience, including the aircraft industry, I can tell you that every time an airliner takes off and lands in one piece, it is a minor miracle.
I had a neighbor in Seattle whose father worked putting engines on plaens at Boeing. He got stoned every day before work and after lunch.
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CIA Reject Thu, Jan 15, 2009 1:51:29pm |
Emergency on climb-out with a full fuel load over one of the most densely populated areas in the world and the pilots set the crippled aircraft down with everybody safe.
Cool as a jewel...
Case of beer for that flight crew, they definitely got the Right Stuff!
| 179 |
Sheila Broflovski Thu, Jan 15, 2009 1:51:37pm |
re: #132 CyanSnowHawk
Hamas claims 164 Israelis died on a plane shot down over the Hudson River.
There's a rumor going around that 646 Israelis received SMS messages not to go near the Hudson River.
/troooofer
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Silhouette Thu, Jan 15, 2009 1:51:38pm |
Carried over from the last thread, God Bless the pilots, and those that designed the plane's emergency exits, the attendants trained in emergencies, and the country that had rescue equipment of every kind invented, built, available, maintained, and manned by trained personnel.
What a different ending this story would have had if the accident had taken place in many other parts of the world.
Thomas Sowell: A Tale of Two Earthquakes.
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CyanSnowHawk Thu, Jan 15, 2009 1:51:38pm |
re: #107 CyanSnowHawk
But a driving fatality is not national news. The danger is amplified way out of proportion to the risk. Always has been with airline travel. I have great trouble getting Mrs. Hawk on a plane.
I won't fly for a trip that I can easily drive (
That's weird, it was cut off.
My driving rather than flying range is 1500miles, maybe more if I want to overnight somewhere. More due to airport security theater and hassles than anything else.
/Note: using the 'less than' sign will cut off a comment.
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vxbush Thu, Jan 15, 2009 1:51:45pm |
re: #170 spirochete
I love this website. It has cockpit recordings from planes as they crash. Kind of morbid
[Link: www.airdisaster.com...]
True story: my father was involved in the development of the black box. At least someone in my family has made a significant difference for the better.
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really grumpy big dog Johnson Thu, Jan 15, 2009 1:51:46pm |
Looks like they are about to beach the aircraft. If the damage isn't too bad, it could fly again.
Don't know that I would want to be on it though...
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Bubbaman Thu, Jan 15, 2009 1:51:47pm |
Thank goodness everyone survived. Now, I hear they are blaming ICE - see it wasn't long before they would target Bush.
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David IV of Georgia Thu, Jan 15, 2009 1:52:07pm |
148 passengers, plus flight crew on this flight.
At least one infant.
Some people had hurt legs from the collision with the water.
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buzzdroid Thu, Jan 15, 2009 1:52:11pm |
gazacam is back.
not much happening right now, but just letting folks know that its on again
[Link: switch434-01.castup.net...]
based on previous nights, IDF usually goes into action around 11pm UK time.
whats that - 6pm NYC time?
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Walter L. Newton Thu, Jan 15, 2009 1:52:20pm |
re: #154 Throbert McGee
Come to think of it, the "monster" reminds me of Jeff Goldblum et al. in Earth Girls Are Easy.
"Portrait of a frightened man: Mr. Robert Wilson, thirty-seven, husband, father, and salesman on sick leave. Mr. Wilson has just been discharged from a sanitarium where he spent the last six months recovering from a nervous breakdown, the onset of which took place on an evening not dissimilar to this one, on an airliner very much like the one in which Mr. Wilson is about to be flown home - the difference being that, on that evening half a year ago, Mr. Wilson's flight was terminated by the onslaught of his mental breakdown. Tonight, he's traveling all the way to his appointed destination, which, contrary to Mr. Wilson's plan, happens to be in the darkest corner of the Twilight Zone."
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alegrias Thu, Jan 15, 2009 1:52:27pm |
re: #153 lifeofthemind
The Red Cross wants to know if I can help, so if I can't seem to make money I may as well be useful, later gators.
* * *
On second thought, be sure to point out the silly goose Hamas folks hiding in your "aid" organization!
| 189 |
astronmr20 Thu, Jan 15, 2009 1:52:40pm |
re: #170 spirochete
I love this website. It has cockpit recordings from planes as they crash. Kind of morbid
[Link: www.airdisaster.com...]
I cant listen to those ):
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Silhouette Thu, Jan 15, 2009 1:53:39pm |
re: #135 zombie
Because a "gaggle" only refers to geese that are not airborne.
I can NOT wait until the time I can correct someone about that.
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beblebrox Thu, Jan 15, 2009 1:53:45pm |
there's two pilots who have earned a feather for their caps.
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CyanSnowHawk Thu, Jan 15, 2009 1:53:47pm |
re: #135 zombie
Actually -- it wasn't a gaggle of geese at all! ! !
Why not? Because a "gaggle" only refers to geese that are not airborne. I.e. gaggles are always on the ground.
If geese are in flight, they are a flock or a "skein."
The plane got flocked up?
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Thu, Jan 15, 2009 1:54:25pm |
In case anybody cares: the Airbus web site:
[Link: www.airbus.com...]
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MandyManners Thu, Jan 15, 2009 1:54:29pm |
re: #186 buzzdroid
gazacam is back.
not much happening right now, but just letting folks know that its on again[Link: switch434-01.castup.net...]
based on previous nights, IDF usually goes into action around 11pm UK time.
whats that - 6pm NYC time?
I got the notice that there are too many people on right now.
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jcm Thu, Jan 15, 2009 1:54:41pm |
re: #169 Alberta Oil Peon
Kee-ripes!
The MSM; them I can see calling a forced landing a "crash." They couldn't find their own buttholes with a flashlight and a GPS.
But I expected better from LGF.
This wasn't a crash. The pilot was clearly in control. Had he not been, there would have been a whole mess of fatalities.
Props to the US Airways pilot!
This one was a text book perfect ditching. The plane is barely bent.
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Bloodnok Thu, Jan 15, 2009 1:54:47pm |
re: #170 spirochete
I love this website. It has cockpit recordings from planes as they crash. Kind of morbid
[Link: www.airdisaster.com...]
To each their own, but IMO there are some things that just shouldn't be made public.
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LGoPs Thu, Jan 15, 2009 1:54:50pm |
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jcbunga Thu, Jan 15, 2009 1:55:15pm |
Watching TV streaming...about an hour in and the talking heads have run out of things to say.
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MandyManners Thu, Jan 15, 2009 1:55:17pm |
re: #170 spirochete
I love this website. It has cockpit recordings from planes as they crash. Kind of morbid
[Link: www.airdisaster.com...]
That's fucking sick, man.
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nyc redneck Thu, Jan 15, 2009 1:55:40pm |
re: #38 MandyManners
And people think I'm crazy for refusing to fly.
i don't think you're crazy at all.
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zombie Thu, Jan 15, 2009 1:56:02pm |
re: #151 WestTexas
Sorry to go OT so soon and to turn the thread to a gun one but.....
I just bought another gun, it is a Stoeger Cougar 8000 9mm. I have one tattoo and when I got it everyone told me I would want another one. That it would be like an addiction. It didn't turn out that way, but it sure has with firearms.
Why why why must every thread become a gun thread?!?!
Got to admit, it's starting to drive me nuts. If I wanted to read about guns, I'd read a gun blog!
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Silhouette Thu, Jan 15, 2009 1:56:14pm |
re: #184 Bubbaman
Thank goodness everyone survived. Now, I hear they are blaming ICE - see it wasn't long before they would target Bush.
I think the more likely culprit was Quayle.
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bulwrk Thu, Jan 15, 2009 1:56:23pm |
Do we know if the geese were flying upside down?
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Dainn Thu, Jan 15, 2009 1:56:32pm |
What great news. From the reports I heard (CNN) it seemed that the plane made as good of a controlled landing as possible and everyone got out of the plane, most completely dry.
Wow. Just wow.
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Bloodnok Thu, Jan 15, 2009 1:56:35pm |
re: #194 MandyManners
[Link: switch434-01.castup.net...]I got the notice that there are too many people on right now.
It'll ketchup soon.
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MandyManners Thu, Jan 15, 2009 1:57:05pm |
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jcm Thu, Jan 15, 2009 1:57:07pm |
re: #198 jcbunga
Watching TV streaming...about an hour in and the talking heads have run out of things to say.
They ran out of things to say after "a plane is down in the Hudson."
Taking heads are morons with out the teleprompter.
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Walter L. Newton Thu, Jan 15, 2009 1:57:09pm |
Interesting facts about the "gremlin" in the "Nightmare at 20,000 Feet" episode that has been mentioned on this thread.
"Nick Cravat (January 11, 1912, New York City–January 29, 1994, California) was an American film actor. Life-long friend and trapeze partner of Burt Lancaster, they performed as "Lang and Cravat". He co-starred with Lancaster in nine films all together, of which The Crimson Pirate and The Flame and the Arrow are the best-known. The acrobatic Cravat is also remembered as playing the "gremlin" on the wing in the 1963 Twilight Zone episode, "Nightmare at 20,000 Feet".
He played a mute character in several movies, notably The Flame and the Arrow and The Crimson Pirate, mostly because his thick Brooklyn accent, which he could not shake, would have been out of place in the film's storyline.
Nick Cravat and Burt Lancaster were childhood friends and met as youngsters (approximately at age 9) at a summer camp in New York. Their friendship continued through the years. They later created an acrobatic act and joined the Kay Brothers circus in Florida. Interestingly, Cravat & Lancaster both passed away in 1994. His grave is located at Valhalla Memorial Park Cemetery."
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
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vxbush Thu, Jan 15, 2009 1:57:20pm |
re: #203 Silhouette
I think the more likely culprit was Quayle.
As long as it pheasant a Republican...
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buzzdroid Thu, Jan 15, 2009 1:57:28pm |
UN resolution condemning the airplane massacre of innocent suicide Al Birda geese in 3...2...1..
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Ben Hur Thu, Jan 15, 2009 1:57:31pm |
I'm stumped.
For the life of me I can't figure out why Cheney would want this plane down.
Why this plane?
Why now?
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Bubbaman Thu, Jan 15, 2009 1:57:41pm |
Now a recount from a passenger - 3 minutes into the flight he heard a boom and then saw some flames. Many scared passengers and they thought they were going to die...
| 215 |
spirochete Thu, Jan 15, 2009 1:57:53pm |
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Silhouette Thu, Jan 15, 2009 1:58:04pm |
re: #213 Ben Hur
I'm stumped.
For the life of me I can't figure out why Cheney would want this plane down.
Why this plane?
Why now?
Who profits?
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MandyManners Thu, Jan 15, 2009 1:58:06pm |
| 218 |
maddogg Thu, Jan 15, 2009 1:58:09pm |
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Sharmuta Thu, Jan 15, 2009 1:58:09pm |
re: #208 vagabond trader
CNN blame Bush yet?
No, but they are waiting on a video report of resuscitation attempts on the geese.
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alegrias Thu, Jan 15, 2009 1:58:24pm |
re: #186 buzzdroid
gazacam is back.
not much happening right now, but just letting folks know that its on again[Link: switch434-01.castup.net...]
based on previous nights, IDF usually goes into action around 11pm UK time.
whats that - 6pm NYC time?
* * *
Can I say "Bring It On"? Win One for the Gipper?
Coincidentally, President Bush will give a farewell speech at 8pm EST tonight.
| 221 |
Nevergiveup Thu, Jan 15, 2009 1:58:27pm |
It is fantastic that no one was killed or apparently seriously injured, but I hope nobody is waiting for their luggage at the Ferry Terminal?
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Creeping Eruption Thu, Jan 15, 2009 1:58:49pm |
re: #171 mfarmer1
I flew US Air last weekend and sat in an emergency row. Before we took off, the flight attendant seated facing us was very descriptive about her training and how they go through a yearly certification. Random people are recruited and paid to act as if they're in an emergency situation. She was very graphic, detailing how everyone screams, that there's always smoke and loud explosions, etc. She said the sound effects were deafening. They get 90 seconds to get everyone out safely. If they fail, they can't fly anymore and have to go through re-training and pass the test again. I found the conversation very informative, but my wife and the lady next to me weren't so thrilled by the looks on their faces. Can't say I didn't think about what she had just told us however as we took off.
Looks like the training paid off here. Kudos to the crew and passengers of this flight!
LOL. I was on a flight to of from Arizona (don't remember. The plane takes a little long to get off the ground (IMHO) and then sharply climbs. You could hear everyone gasping. The plane then levels out at about 5000 feet and stays there. 10 minutes later the pilot comes on and actually says: "Good news and bad news. The bad news is that the landing gear is stuck. The good news is that we think (THINK?!) it is stuck down."
We do a flyover at the airport, presumably to determine whether it is down. I am with my wife, who at this point, only thinks it is a minor inconvenience. I am pale as a ghost, and sweating buckets. I hate flying but that is not my normal reaction. She asks what is wrong. I ask her to look out the window and tell me if she sees ANY other airplanes on the tarmack and whether a runway is lined with emergency vehicles. Yes she answers. I ask her if she ever considered why planes typically fly around to burn off fuel before trying to land, and why that was not the case right now? She was so pissed off at me for sharing.
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albusteve Thu, Jan 15, 2009 1:58:54pm |
I had one absolutely scared me shitless landing at Detroit Metro years back...very gusty and the pilot couldnt keep it level...icy wind sheer pushed it askew and it bounced around few times when he got the wheels downs...I thought the wing was gonna tear along the runway...dark and wintery....lights flashing by...good lord...I was so frightened from that I swore I'd never fly again...that lasted a few months...I simply cant imaging crash landing...freaks me out totally dude
| 225 |
MandyManners Thu, Jan 15, 2009 1:59:01pm |
re: #213 Ben Hur
I'm stumped.
For the life of me I can't figure out why Cheney would want this plane down.
Why this plane?
Why now?
Is it true all Jews stayed home today?
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Bubbaman Thu, Jan 15, 2009 1:59:03pm |
re: #205 Dainn
What great news. From the reports I heard (CNN) it seemed that the plane made as good of a controlled landing as possible and everyone got out of the plane, most completely dry.
Wow. Just wow.
Why on earth would you watch CNN?
| 228 |
Ben Hur Thu, Jan 15, 2009 1:59:24pm |
| 229 |
MandyManners Thu, Jan 15, 2009 1:59:27pm |
re: #221 Nevergiveup
It is fantastic that no one was killed or apparently seriously injured, but I hope nobody is waiting for their luggage at the Ferry Terminal?
Talk about soggy shorts.
| 230 |
Walter L. Newton Thu, Jan 15, 2009 1:59:33pm |
re: #219 Sharmuta
No, but they are waiting on a video report of resuscitation attempts on the geese.
And where the hell was FEMA?
/
| 234 |
Nevergiveup Thu, Jan 15, 2009 2:00:15pm |
re: #227 Ojoe
I bet the plane will fly again too.
It probably could be made air worthy but it might cost to much. How old is the plane, etc?
| 235 |
albusteve Thu, Jan 15, 2009 2:00:16pm |
re: #151 WestTexas
Sorry to go OT so soon and to turn the thread to a gun one but.....
I just bought another gun, it is a Stoeger Cougar 8000 9mm. I have one tattoo and when I got it everyone told me I would want another one. That it would be like an addiction. It didn't turn out that way, but it sure has with firearms.
got a Steoger 12ga tactical...love it....BOOM!
| 236 |
alegrias Thu, Jan 15, 2009 2:00:41pm |
| 237 |
DisturbedEma Thu, Jan 15, 2009 2:00:54pm |
| 239 |
Silhouette Thu, Jan 15, 2009 2:01:01pm |
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cagney Thu, Jan 15, 2009 2:01:32pm |
apologies for going offtopic on such a tragic incident but found this item in a local news-site.
Muslim pupils at a private Scots school were asked if they hate Jews.
[Link: www.dailyrecord.co.uk...]
"A TOP private school is at the centre of a race row between its Jewish and Muslim pupils.
In the wake of fighting in Gaza which has left nearly 1000 Palestinians dead, Muslim children at Glasgow's Hutchesons' Grammar School were asked if they hated Jews.
The school admitted many put up their hands - only to be told they should hate the Israeli army instead.
Muslim and Jewish pupils attend separate morning assemblies at the school, where fees are around £9000 a year.
News of last Thursday's controversial meeting was released by two Jewish pupils who went along by mistake.
The assembly was led by Asgher Mohammed, a parent who is believed to be a chemist.
News of the hate vote spread quickly through the 368-year-old school.
The parents of one of the Jewish children involved wrote to school rector Dr Kenneth Greig.
Dr Greig had letters sent out to other parents to explain the circumstances.
A school spokesman said yesterday: "The person in question has a long-standing history of taking the morning assembly.
"This is the first time anything like this has happened.
Perhaps it was not advisable to ask the question that he did.
"However, no one believes anything was intended to cause offence.
"His lesson was to preach religious tolerance and to show, despite what is going on in the Middle East, that Muslims and Jews in the UK can live in peace."
Claire Singerman, who co-ordinates Jewish assemblies at the school, stressed the "excellent" relationship between pupils of different faiths.
Chemist Asgher Mohammed said last night: "I have seen the statement from the school and amvery happy with that. I am not going to say anything else."
Muslim pupils make up around seven per cent of the school roll. Around six per cent are Jewish.
The school's famous ex-pupils include former lord chancellor Derry Irvine and John Buchan, author of The Thirty-Nine Steps.
Three months ago, it was ordered to improve access for poorer students or risk losing its status as a charity."
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vagabond trader Thu, Jan 15, 2009 2:01:35pm |
re: #210 Walter L. Newton
That episode traumatized me when I was a kid, could never sleep with the curtains or shades open. I still hate looking out the windows at night. lol.
| 243 |
FabioC. Thu, Jan 15, 2009 2:01:43pm |
I wonder if luggage can be recovered too in this case. Also, if simulator training includes ditching the plane in a river.
| 244 |
Ojoe Thu, Jan 15, 2009 2:01:45pm |
Not that there was a crosswind in this case, but
Check out these crosswind landings.
| 245 |
alegrias Thu, Jan 15, 2009 2:01:50pm |
| 246 |
vxbush Thu, Jan 15, 2009 2:01:53pm |
re: #236 alegrias
* * *
JOhn McCain survived 5 plain crashes--what a lucky goose.
I've never had anything worse than a little turbulence during a flight. And I'm thankful for that.
| 247 |
Bloodnok Thu, Jan 15, 2009 2:02:11pm |
re: #236 alegrias
* * *
JOhn McCain survived 5 plain crashes--what a lucky goose.
I egret having to vote for him.
| 248 |
MandyManners Thu, Jan 15, 2009 2:02:19pm |
| 249 |
MandyManners Thu, Jan 15, 2009 2:02:43pm |
| 250 |
jcm Thu, Jan 15, 2009 2:03:03pm |
re: #213 Ben Hur
I'm stumped.
For the life of me I can't figure out why Cheney would want this plane down.
Why this plane?
Why now?
To distract US, he's made GWB disappear and declared martial law while we weren't looking, we all work for Haliburton now.
/
| 251 |
LGoPs Thu, Jan 15, 2009 2:03:09pm |
re: #202 zombie
re: #151 WestTexas
Sorry to go OT so soon and to turn the thread to a gun one but.....I just bought another gun, it is a Stoeger Cougar 8000 9mm. I have one tattoo and when I got it everyone told me I would want another one. That it would be like an addiction. It didn't turn out that way, but it sure has with firearms.
Why why why must every thread become a gun thread?!?!Got to admit, it's starting to drive me nuts. If I wanted to read about guns, I'd read a gun blog!
I'll have to rifle through my memory to come up with an answer......
| 252 |
Creeping Eruption Thu, Jan 15, 2009 2:03:15pm |
re: #171 mfarmer1
I flew US Air last weekend and sat in an emergency row. Before we took off, the flight attendant seated facing us was very descriptive about her training and how they go through a yearly certification. Random people are recruited and paid to act as if they're in an emergency situation. She was very graphic, detailing how everyone screams, that there's always smoke and loud explosions, etc. She said the sound effects were deafening. They get 90 seconds to get everyone out safely. If they fail, they can't fly anymore and have to go through re-training and pass the test again. I found the conversation very informative, but my wife and the lady next to me weren't so thrilled by the looks on their faces. Can't say I didn't think about what she had just told us however as we took off.
Looks like the training paid off here. Kudos to the crew and passengers of this flight!
LOL. I was on a flight to of from Arizona (don't remember. The plane takes a little long to get off the ground (IMHO) and then sharply climbs. You could hear everyone gasping. The plane then levels out at about 5000 feet and stays there. 10 minutes later the pilot comes on and actually says: "Good news and bad news. The bad news is that the landing gear is stuck. The good news is that we think (THINK?!) it is stuck down."
We do a flyover at the airport, presumably to determine whether it is down. I am with my wife, who at this point, only thinks it is a minor inconvenience. I am pale as a ghost, and sweating buckets. I hate flying but that is not my normal reaction. She asks what is wrong. I ask her to look out the window and tell me if she sees ANY other airplanes on the tarmack and whether a runway is lined with emergency vehicles. Yes she answers. I ask her if she ever considered why planes typically fly around to burn off fuel before trying to land, and why that was not the case right now? She was so pissed off at me for sharing.
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tradewind Thu, Jan 15, 2009 2:03:16pm |
re: #243 FabioC.
Yes re the simulator/ditching for pilots.
Flight attendants suffer through it as well. My class actually lost two members who would not do the ditching training in a local lake.
| 254 |
Bubbaman Thu, Jan 15, 2009 2:03:28pm |
I'm waiting for the press conference, but we'll see. These engines are designed to tolerate bird strikes. This must have been a wholesale flock jihad.
| 255 |
Ben Hur Thu, Jan 15, 2009 2:04:07pm |
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freedomnut Thu, Jan 15, 2009 2:04:12pm |
Proof of Global Warming! As the Goracle says, climate change will affect us in ways we can't even imagine! I wouldn't be surprised if the water just rose that fast due to e-ville American carbon! (Asian carbon is just fine, don'tchaknow...)
On second thought, I blame Bush.
/sarc
Not a time for jokes, sorry. I was just elated to hear everybody's going to survive.
| 258 |
vagabond trader Thu, Jan 15, 2009 2:04:18pm |
The Hassidic ambulance guys are there. Oh oh, maybe all the Juice didn't stay home.
| 259 |
tradewind Thu, Jan 15, 2009 2:04:50pm |
LMAO at Wolf Blitzer ' Can't you just stop a bird from being sucked into those engines'?
I just can't believe he actually said those words.
| 260 |
Dustoff-507 Thu, Jan 15, 2009 2:04:52pm |
My-god.. Don't you people have jobs. 235 postings!
LOL....
| 261 |
Kragar Thu, Jan 15, 2009 2:05:06pm |
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Guanxi88 Thu, Jan 15, 2009 2:05:16pm |
re: #258 vagabond trader
The Hassidic ambulance guys are there. Oh oh, maybe all the Juice didn't stay home.
Came to see their handiwork, gloat, and try to salvage from the passengers, no doubt.
//
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Bloodnok Thu, Jan 15, 2009 2:05:36pm |
Reports are that Sean Connery was seen in the area making bird noises and repeatedly opening an umbrella.
/
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zombie Thu, Jan 15, 2009 2:05:36pm |
But seriously: gun comments are not a barrel of laughs; they just bore me.
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alegrias Thu, Jan 15, 2009 2:05:37pm |
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Silhouette Thu, Jan 15, 2009 2:05:42pm |
I guess we could blame the excess of geese on climate change, which is all Bush's fault for not signing Kyoto.
/I knew I could blame Bush if I just put my mind to it.
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Dustoff-507 Thu, Jan 15, 2009 2:05:47pm |
re: #227 Ojoe
I bet the plane will fly again too.
Nope... why to much water damage and if it has salt in it. Forget it!
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tradewind Thu, Jan 15, 2009 2:05:48pm |
re: #254 Bubbaman
Sorry, but no.
There is no jet engine that is designed to withstand multiple geese ingested into the turbines.
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buzzdroid Thu, Jan 15, 2009 2:05:50pm |
re: #240 cagney
you're cool man. dont worry -its not a tragic incident - EVERYONE survived.
actually - its quite a happy news story! well done pilot..
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vagabond trader Thu, Jan 15, 2009 2:05:51pm |
re: #261 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Sell it to Aeroflat
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DisturbedEma Thu, Jan 15, 2009 2:06:04pm |
re: #240 cagney
Thank goodness for education. . .teaching the kids to hate the defenders of Jews. . .who are Jews, mostly. . .from those who hate Jews for real. . . enough to rocket them every day. . .
Misguided hate is a terrible thing to waste. . .
///////
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Ben Hur Thu, Jan 15, 2009 2:06:10pm |
re: #258 vagabond trader
The Hassidic ambulance guys are there. Oh oh, maybe all the Juice didn't stay home.
Those Hatzolah guys aren't medics!
They're cleaners!
Who do you think rounded up all the charge caps after the controlled explosion on 9/11?
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DeafDog Thu, Jan 15, 2009 2:06:13pm |
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Bubbaman Thu, Jan 15, 2009 2:06:19pm |
re: #259 tradewind
LMAO at Wolf Blitzer ' Can't you just stop a bird from being sucked into those engines'?
I just can't believe he actually said those words.
Did this moron actually say that? Just about everything this guy says just astounds.
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maddogg Thu, Jan 15, 2009 2:06:21pm |
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opnion Thu, Jan 15, 2009 2:06:33pm |
re: #212 buzzdroid
UN resolution condemning the airplane massacre of innocent suicide Al Birda geese in 3...2...1..
What happened to these geese is even worse then water boarding.
If this was after the Inauguration of the Dear Leader , it would not have been tolerated.
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Dainn Thu, Jan 15, 2009 2:06:40pm |
re: #226 Bubbaman
/shrug I followed a link from the site where I first read about it. Do I lose points or something for daring to get a streaming vid from CNN on something like this? LOL
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jcbunga Thu, Jan 15, 2009 2:07:07pm |
Darwin has a solution for this...eventually we'll arrive at a goose that can avoid a jet engine.
Not yet, but some day.
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Guanxi88 Thu, Jan 15, 2009 2:07:12pm |
re: #264 zombie
But seriously: gun comments are not a barrel of laughs; they just bore me.
Sears lee, don't go off (do I need to finish it?)
I hate these friggin' flash in the pan pun threads.
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tradewind Thu, Jan 15, 2009 2:07:23pm |
re: #267 Dustoff-507
This plane won't fly again as numbered, but its parts will mostly live on in a refurbished state.
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JammieWearingFool Thu, Jan 15, 2009 2:07:26pm |
This broke just as I got in the truck for my ride home. Riveting radio coverage from WCBS 880 in NY.
An absolute miracle everyone’s out intact.
Goodness, if that came down anywhere else all hell would have broken loose.
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Ben Hur Thu, Jan 15, 2009 2:07:27pm |
IF that was an El Al plane, the Joos would use excessive force and start exterminating all the geese in the world.
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debutaunt Thu, Jan 15, 2009 2:07:38pm |
re: #113 MandyManners
re: #78 Ringo the Gringo
I just cannot. The last time I flew, we were landing at Stapleton (yes, it's been a long time) when the pilot shoved the plane into a vertical climb just as the rear wheels touched down. It turned out that there was a plane crossing the tarmac in front of us. I was in 1A so, I would've been one of the first to go.
I just saw that on 24!
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mdaspinall Thu, Jan 15, 2009 2:07:42pm |
Khaled Meshaal's failed plot.. It took him years to train those 25,000 geese only to be mown down by the vicious genocidal Zionist airplane engines.. The UN is sending humaitarian aid to the geese, but is hampered by the blockade imposed by the terrorist occupying emergency services.
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CyanSnowHawk Thu, Jan 15, 2009 2:08:03pm |
re: #257 zombie
Nothing triggers my emotions more than incessant gun fetishism.
Says the person living in the Fetish Capital.
/
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DisturbedEma Thu, Jan 15, 2009 2:08:07pm |
re: #251 LGoPs
re: #202 zombie
re: #151 WestTexas
Sorry to go OT so soon and to turn the thread to a gun one but.....
I just bought another gun, it is a Stoeger Cougar 8000 9mm. I have one tattoo and when I got it everyone told me I would want another one. That it would be like an addiction. It didn't turn out that way, but it sure has with firearms.
Why why why must every thread become a gun thread?!?!
Got to admit, it's starting to drive me nuts. If I wanted to read about guns, I'd read a gun blog!
I'll have to rifle through my memory to come up with an answer......
set your sight on that have ya. . .
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LGoPs Thu, Jan 15, 2009 2:08:17pm |
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Kosh's Shadow Thu, Jan 15, 2009 2:08:20pm |
re: #268 tradewind
Sorry, but no.
There is no jet engine that is designed to withstand multiple geese ingested into the turbines.
Actually, the geese get ingested in the fan and maybe compressor; the turbines are at the back. If the birds made it through the fan, compressor, and burners, all the way to the turbines, I'd be pretty surprised.
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tradewind Thu, Jan 15, 2009 2:08:23pm |
re: #274 Bubbaman
He said it.
Bet he wishes he hadn't, when he sees the tape.
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picayune Thu, Jan 15, 2009 2:08:34pm |
re: #119 MandyManners
Yep, that's how CNN reported it at:[Link: www.channelsurfing.net...]
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Dustoff-507 Thu, Jan 15, 2009 2:08:55pm |
re: #280 tradewind
True... not sure whichs ones though. You know the FAA isn't real crazy about saltwater cleaned parts! 0-:
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Guanxi88 Thu, Jan 15, 2009 2:08:59pm |
re: #272 Ben Hur
Those Hatzolah guys aren't medics!
They're cleaners!
Who do you think rounded up all the charge caps after the controlled explosion on 9/11?
Victor the Cleaner had nothin on those guys!
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Dainn Thu, Jan 15, 2009 2:09:08pm |
re: #278 jcbunga
Darwin has a solution for this...eventually we'll arrive at a goose that can avoid a jet engine.
More likely we'll evolve a human that won't get on an airplane.
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Nevergiveup Thu, Jan 15, 2009 2:09:33pm |
Pretty much of a wuss statement out off US Airways.
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LGoPs Thu, Jan 15, 2009 2:09:51pm |
re: #264 zombie
But seriously: gun comments are not a barrel of laughs; they just bore me.
Especially with the caliber of talent around here, we could do better.....
| 296 |
David IV of Georgia Thu, Jan 15, 2009 2:10:00pm |
Passenger, wet, freezing, named Jeff, locked in by reporters on a New York pier, reported:
The take-off seemed normal for the first three minutes, then there was a load boom, he felt the plane lurch and level out from its climb, he could see flames coming out of one engine. The pilot informed everyone they were trying to return to LaGuardia. The plane's turn would line them up with the generally north-south runway. As the turn got the plane lined up with the Hudson River, the pilot told everyone to brace for impact. The plane hit hard, but at a slight angle. The plane was in one piece and floating. The back of the plane began to fill with water. The passengers were able to get out and onto 5 life rafts. For the most part women and children and the injured were helped out first. The life rafts began to sink [overloaded? not inflated correctly?]. By that time some ferries and other boats had arrived and helped people out of the water.
Finally one reporter noticed the man was freezing but probably didn't know it from adrenaline and shock, gave him his coat and helped muscle him out of the crowd of reporters to somewhere warm.
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zombie Thu, Jan 15, 2009 2:10:01pm |
The caliber of the comments around here has really gone down recently.
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Ben Hur Thu, Jan 15, 2009 2:10:06pm |
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alegrias Thu, Jan 15, 2009 2:10:12pm |
re: #259 tradewind
LMAO at Wolf Blitzer ' Can't you just stop a bird from being sucked into those engines'?
I just can't believe he actually said those words.
* * * *
George Bush flew planes and AVOIDED GEESE SUCCESSFULLY in the Texas Air National Guard --Mission Accomplished--unlike lefty silly goose landlubber newsreaders.
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tradewind Thu, Jan 15, 2009 2:10:14pm |
re: #276 opnion
What is awful is the smell of a bird in a turbine. Not pretty.
It happens every now and then with one small-ish bird, and the only thing you know is there was a noise, and then a very....bad...... smell.
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zombie Thu, Jan 15, 2009 2:10:29pm |
re: #295 LGoPs
Especially with the caliber of talent around here, we could do better.....
Damn, you beat me by 10 seconds.
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DisturbedEma Thu, Jan 15, 2009 2:10:35pm |
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MandyManners Thu, Jan 15, 2009 2:10:37pm |
re: #283 debutaunt
re: #113 MandyManners
re: #78 Ringo the Gringo
I just cannot. The last time I flew, we were landing at Stapleton (yes, it's been a long time) when the pilot shoved the plane into a vertical climb just as the rear wheels touched down. It turned out that there was a plane crossing the tarmac in front of us. I was in 1A so, I would've been one of the first to go.
I just saw that on 24!
24 is at Stapleton?
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Nevergiveup Thu, Jan 15, 2009 2:10:39pm |
00:07 Rice cautions Israel over bombing of UN warehouse (Reuters)
Doesn't she have a desk to clean out or something?
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Bloodnok Thu, Jan 15, 2009 2:10:46pm |
re: #297 zombie
The caliber of the comments around here has really gone down recently.
Yeah, it has become an echo chamber.
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Guanxi88 Thu, Jan 15, 2009 2:11:07pm |
re: #297 zombie
The caliber of the comments around here has really gone down recently.
That's just 'cause the brass haven't brought out the big guns yet. Tell you whut - when the puns start flying, this place is hotter'n a twenty dollar pistol.
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Dustoff-507 Thu, Jan 15, 2009 2:11:08pm |
re: #288 Kosh's Shadow
re: #268 tradewind
Actually, the geese get ingested in the fan and maybe compressor; the turbines are at the back. If the birds made it through the fan, compressor, and burners, all the way to the turbines, I'd be pretty surprised.
TRUE....
but once the blades break off. It's total engine time as they eat the insides.
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tradewind Thu, Jan 15, 2009 2:11:11pm |
re: #294 Nevergiveup
Airlines do not care to cooperate, even in the smallest way, with the press.
It's lesson one.
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Ben Hur Thu, Jan 15, 2009 2:11:40pm |
re: #296 David IV of Georgia
Finally one reporter noticed the man was freezing butprobably didn't know it from adrenaline and shockthe other journalists didn't care because they were ordered to get a story, gave him his coat and helped muscle him out of the crowd of reporters to somewhere warm.
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MandyManners Thu, Jan 15, 2009 2:11:44pm |
re: #290 picayune
re: #119 MandyManners
Yep, that's how CNN reported it at:[Link: www.channelsurfing.net...]
Can't they keep geese away from airports?
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Nevergiveup Thu, Jan 15, 2009 2:11:56pm |
23:23 Olmert: Livni to travel to Washington for talks on Gaza truce (Reuters)
I hope she takes a slow boat. I mean flying can be so dangerous?
| 313 |
Guanxi88 Thu, Jan 15, 2009 2:12:33pm |
re: #311 MandyManners
Can't they keep geese away from airports?
There are things far worse than geese in terms of harm to airliners, and some of them work there.
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Alberta Oil Peon Thu, Jan 15, 2009 2:12:38pm |
re: #293 Dainn
All you need to do is shut down the airport for an hour from time to time, and allow a hand-picked group of hunters to come in and shoot as many geese as they are able. Each hunter takes home what would be his normal bag limit; the remainder go to feed the homeless.
Geese aren't stupid. They congregate at airports because they know they won't be hunted there. Change that factor, and the geese will disperse somewhat.
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Kosh's Shadow Thu, Jan 15, 2009 2:12:42pm |
re: #304 Nevergiveup
00:07 Rice cautions Israel over bombing of UN warehouse (Reuters)
Doesn't she have a desk to clean out or something?
Why doesn't she go see what is in the warehouse. Doesn't that box of baby milk powder seem heavy? Why does it clank so much? Those funny, pointy cans don't look like they'd be good for baby milk. What brand? Grad?
| 316 |
DisturbedEma Thu, Jan 15, 2009 2:12:49pm |
re: #296 David IV of Georgia
Passenger, wet, freezing, named Jeff, locked in by reporters on a New York pier, reported:
The take-off seemed normal for the first three minutes, then there was a load boom, he felt the plane lurch and level out from its climb, he could see flames coming out of one engine. The pilot informed everyone they were trying to return to LaGuardia. The plane's turn would line them up with the generally north-south runway. As the turn got the plane lined up with the Hudson River, the pilot told everyone to brace for impact. The plane hit hard, but at a slight angle. The plane was in one piece and floating. The back of the plane began to fill with water. The passengers were able to get out and onto 5 life rafts. For the most part women and children and the injured were helped out first. The life rafts began to sink [overloaded? not inflated correctly?]. By that time some ferries and other boats had arrived and helped people out of the water.
Finally one reporter noticed the man was freezing but probably didn't know it from adrenaline and shock, gave him his coat and helped muscle him out of the crowd of reporters to somewhere warm.
Oh the HUMANITY. . .I hope said reporter squeezed every last delicious detail before noticing the person's need for help. . ./////
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Bubbaman Thu, Jan 15, 2009 2:12:50pm |
re: #268 tradewind
re: #254 Bubbaman
Sorry, but no.
There is no jet engine that is designed to withstand multiple geese ingested into the turbines.
I remember seeing a program on commercial aviation a few years back that described engine testing whereby they threw chickens into the intake. There was a large noise followed by smoke and stuff but they were pointing out that the engine was designed to tolerate the strike.
Anyhow, here's what Wikipedia has to say...
| 318 |
maddogg Thu, Jan 15, 2009 2:13:01pm |
re: #311 MandyManners
re: #290 picayune
re: #119 MandyManners
Yep, that's how CNN reported it at:[Link: www.channelsurfing.net...]
Can't they keep geese away from airports?
Sure, just have the Democrats declare all airspace a No-geese zone. Problem solved!
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MandyManners Thu, Jan 15, 2009 2:13:01pm |
re: #296 David IV of Georgia
Passenger, wet, freezing, named Jeff, locked in by reporters on a New York pier, reported:
The take-off seemed normal for the first three minutes, then there was a load boom, he felt the plane lurch and level out from its climb, he could see flames coming out of one engine. The pilot informed everyone they were trying to return to LaGuardia. The plane's turn would line them up with the generally north-south runway. As the turn got the plane lined up with the Hudson River, the pilot told everyone to brace for impact. The plane hit hard, but at a slight angle. The plane was in one piece and floating. The back of the plane began to fill with water. The passengers were able to get out and onto 5 life rafts. For the most part women and children and the injured were helped out first. The life rafts began to sink [overloaded? not inflated correctly?]. By that time some ferries and other boats had arrived and helped people out of the water.
Finally one reporter noticed the man was freezing but probably didn't know it from adrenaline and shock, gave him his coat and helped muscle him out of the crowd of reporters to somewhere warm.
That's a good reporter.
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Nevergiveup Thu, Jan 15, 2009 2:13:17pm |
re: #311 MandyManners
Can't they keep geese away from airports?
Airports around here tend to be built near water, so, it's like we are building them in the birds back yard
| 321 |
mdaspinall Thu, Jan 15, 2009 2:13:22pm |
re: #288 Kosh's Shadow
re: #268 tradewind
Actually, the geese get ingested in the fan and maybe compressor; the turbines are at the back. If the birds made it through the fan, compressor, and burners, all the way to the turbines, I'd be pretty surprised.
Those damned efficient zionist engines.. Plucked Roasted and not even a drumstick left...tut
| 322 |
Spare O'Lake Thu, Jan 15, 2009 2:13:22pm |
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opnion Thu, Jan 15, 2009 2:13:24pm |
re: #266 Silhouette
I guess we could blame the excess of geese on climate change, which is all Bush's fault for not signing Kyoto.
/I knew I could blame Bush if I just put my mind to it.
That sounds about right. I am sure the next incident will involve angry ,dispalced Polar Bears attacking aircraft on runways.
| 324 |
cagney Thu, Jan 15, 2009 2:13:25pm |
#255
The Record is a trashy Scots newspaper, it's a wonder that there is no spelling mistakes.
re: #271 DisturbedEma
This was only found out because Jewish students went to the assembly by mistake. You can't help but feel what else they have been saying when you have watched programmes like Undercover Mosque.
The thing that needs to be pointed out that this is a top fee paying school and these are 3rd generation immigrants. They will go on to the top of our society whether it is in politics, business or the legal profession especially under the 'affirmative action' programmes introduced by our politically correct government.
| 325 |
jwb7605 Thu, Jan 15, 2009 2:13:29pm |
re: #311 MandyManners
Can't they keep geese away from airports?
Barack Obama will install goose fences along the Canadian border. Inaccessible areas will have security cameras installed, aimed skyward.
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DisturbedEma Thu, Jan 15, 2009 2:13:30pm |
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Kosh's Shadow Thu, Jan 15, 2009 2:13:41pm |
re: #308 Dustoff-507
TRUE....
but once the blades break off. It's total engine time as they eat the insides.
Oh yes, you wouldn't be able to use the engine. I certainly wouldn't trust even the parts that weren't hit directly. Shafts were probably bent, etc.
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DeafDog Thu, Jan 15, 2009 2:13:44pm |
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Outrider Thu, Jan 15, 2009 2:13:46pm |
re: #12 zombie
Gee, I wouldn't want to be the US Airways Public Relations Director, seeing that photo (at top of threead) plastered all over the media.
Don't know. "We have great, well trained pilots and well built aircraft. We can get you down safely even if the unexpected, like a geese flock strikes". Something along those lines?
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Ben Hur Thu, Jan 15, 2009 2:13:46pm |
re: #306 jorline
I suspect ISG's...Islamic Suicide Geese.
Impossible.
After the Egyptian pilot tanked his plane, Egyptian Pres MUBU assured everyone that it wasn't suicide because Muslims don't commit suicide (that is a true story).
I gather that it's the same with Islamic Geese.
| 331 |
MandyManners Thu, Jan 15, 2009 2:13:46pm |
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alegrias Thu, Jan 15, 2009 2:13:56pm |
re: #304 Nevergiveup
00:07 Rice cautions Israel over bombing of UN warehouse (Reuters)
Doesn't she have a desk to clean out or something?
* * *
Israel ought to flip her the bird.
| 333 |
Dustoff-507 Thu, Jan 15, 2009 2:13:59pm |
re: #309 tradewind
O-man do I know that. I was flying years ago and lost an engine. Made it back to the airport and was asked some of the dumbest questions by reporters!
| 334 |
Silhouette Thu, Jan 15, 2009 2:14:13pm |
re: #296 David IV of Georgia
For the most part women and children and the injured were helped out first.
I wonder what the exceptions were.
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Cognito Thu, Jan 15, 2009 2:14:18pm |
Man, that's just wonderful. What a fantastic story.
Makes my day.
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CIA Reject Thu, Jan 15, 2009 2:14:36pm |
Computer old-timers will appreciate this:
On a commuter flight from Chicago to Green Bay I sat at the front of the cabin. There was only a curtain between the cabin and the cockpit so I could see the instrument panel and what was apparently a digital airspeed indicator in the middle of the panel consisting of three seven-segment LEDs.
As made the final approach into Green Bay I watched this indicator- the pilot kept it steady at "100", which was I assumed 100 kts. As we crossed the fence I looked out the window and was surprised to see that we were going really fast. The plane hit hard and fishtailed and several taxiways shot past until the pilot was able to finally stop the plane and taxi to the terminal.
At the terminal, as the other passengers exited from the back of the plane a mechanic rolled a service platform up to the side cockpit window and talked to the pilot. It was a rather heated exchange, but from what I could glean from it the center bar of the middle digit of the LED display was defective so an "8" was indistinguishable from a "0".
So we didn't land at 100 kts, we landed at 180 kts.
Fun!
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Kosh's Shadow Thu, Jan 15, 2009 2:14:54pm |
re: #321 mdaspinall
Those damned efficient zionist engines.. Plucked Roasted and not even a drumstick left...tut
They clean, flick, and kasher (make kosher) the chicken, all in a few seconds!
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tradewind Thu, Jan 15, 2009 2:14:55pm |
re: #288 Kosh's Shadow
Bird strikes can and do literally tear aircraft engines up. Pilots fear them. They have seen the demonstrations with the frozen turkeys in the wind tunnel sim hangars.
In most cases, it's just one engine. It gets shut down, and everyone is happy after landing.
| 339 |
MandyManners Thu, Jan 15, 2009 2:14:59pm |
re: #318 maddogg
re: #311 MandyManners
re: #290 picayune
re: #119 MandyManners
Yep, that's how CNN reported it at:[Link: www.channelsurfing.net...]
Can't they keep geese away from airports?
Sure, just have the Democrats declare all airspace a No-geese zone. Problem solved!
CBBHO will get right on that.
| 340 |
LGoPs Thu, Jan 15, 2009 2:15:06pm |
| 341 |
picayune Thu, Jan 15, 2009 2:15:11pm |
re: #246 vxbush
WWII pilots were found of the statement: "Any landing you walk away from, is a good one!"
Again, great response by these US Airways pilots.
| 342 |
Guanxi88 Thu, Jan 15, 2009 2:15:12pm |
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MandyManners Thu, Jan 15, 2009 2:15:55pm |
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Spare O'Lake Thu, Jan 15, 2009 2:16:10pm |
re: #297 zombie
The caliber of the comments around here has really gone down recently.
Your comment seems to have triggered quite a few retorts.
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spirochete Thu, Jan 15, 2009 2:16:14pm |
re: #330 Ben Hur
re: #306 jorline
Impossible.After the Egyptian pilot tanked his plane, Egyptian Pres MUBU assured everyone that it wasn't suicide because Muslims don't commit suicide (that is a true story).
I gather that it's the same with Islamic Geese.
I remember that one. Little different in retrospect, huh?
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Dainn Thu, Jan 15, 2009 2:16:30pm |
re: #314 Alberta Oil Peon
Actually a friend of mine is a falconer and hunts birds at a local USAF base for that reason. At an airport like Leguardia, I'd bet such a hunter would spend more time chasing off PETA protesters.
| 347 |
ArchangelMichael Thu, Jan 15, 2009 2:16:35pm |
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alegrias Thu, Jan 15, 2009 2:16:49pm |
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MandyManners Thu, Jan 15, 2009 2:16:58pm |
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opnion Thu, Jan 15, 2009 2:17:15pm |
re: #300 tradewind
re: #276 opnion
What is awful is the smell of a bird in a turbine. Not pretty.
It happens every now and then with one small-ish bird, and the only thing you know is there was a noise, and then a very....bad...... smell.
That's when your actuall glad that the airlines no longer serve meals.
I was on a flight from Denver that had a wing struck by lightning. Wow!
| 351 |
JammieWearingFool Thu, Jan 15, 2009 2:17:29pm |
I don't know about other parts of the country, but those damn geese are a menace in this area. Time to drastically thin the flock.
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jcbunga Thu, Jan 15, 2009 2:17:35pm |
...apparently an alert went out for all ferries to respond to the scne and Barney Fwank was half way to his car before he was debriefed.
| 353 |
MandyManners Thu, Jan 15, 2009 2:17:38pm |
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Nevergiveup Thu, Jan 15, 2009 2:17:49pm |
I hate to be the materialistic bum here, but think the passengers on that US Airlines flight is gonna get a refund?
| 355 |
gymmom Thu, Jan 15, 2009 2:17:54pm |
Wonder if there were any religious conversions? Their prayers (I'm sure there were more than a few) were answered.
| 356 |
notutopia Thu, Jan 15, 2009 2:18:03pm |
re: #297 zombie
The caliber of the comments around here has really gone down recently.
.60 cal to goose shot...
| 357 |
LGoPs Thu, Jan 15, 2009 2:18:12pm |
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Mich-again Thu, Jan 15, 2009 2:18:19pm |
What a miracle that everyone made it out alive. The pilots are real heroes. This is not something they practice doing. I can not even imagine what goes through the mind of a pilot who is about to ditch an airplane full of people into the Bay and you have a front row seat.
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jcm Thu, Jan 15, 2009 2:18:25pm |
re: #261 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Not a chance
The lone surviving Boeing 377 Stratocruiser ditched in Elliot Bay and flew again. It's possible to refly the plane if it's structurally sound, but the repairs to the systems and interior would make it cost prohibitive.
| 361 |
MandyManners Thu, Jan 15, 2009 2:18:36pm |
Does anyone else notice how much distance there is between lines when you reply with a quote?
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tradewind Thu, Jan 15, 2009 2:18:48pm |
re: #288 Kosh's Shadow
[Link: www.flightsafety.org...]
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mdaspinall Thu, Jan 15, 2009 2:18:55pm |
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jorline Thu, Jan 15, 2009 2:18:56pm |
re: #330 Ben Hur
Impossible.
After the Egyptian pilot tanked his plane, Egyptian Pres MUBU assured everyone that it wasn't suicide because Muslims don't commit suicide (that is a true story).
I gather that it's the same with Islamic Geese.
Hey Ben...I heard they flying toward Mecca.
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CyanSnowHawk Thu, Jan 15, 2009 2:18:57pm |
re: #338 tradewind
Bird strikes can and do literally tear aircraft engines up. Pilots fear them. They have seen the demonstrations with the frozen turkeys in the wind tunnel sim hangars.
In most cases, it's just one engine. It gets shut down, and everyone is happy after landing.
One bird and it might be okay as well. You scoop up a few by flying through a flock and it's a whole nother story.
| 366 |
DisturbedEma Thu, Jan 15, 2009 2:18:58pm |
re: #315 Kosh's Shadow
re: #304 Nevergiveup
Why doesn't she go see what is in the warehouse. Doesn't that box of baby milk powder seem heavy? Why does it clank so much? Those funny, pointy cans don't look like they'd be good for baby milk. What brand? Grad?
I have asked before. . .
IF this UN "compound" was full of supplies. . .in Gaza. . .how was there a humaintarian crisis caused by Israel closing off Gaza?
I have been reading many things that were saying the supplies WERE NOT ALLOWED IN. . .how can you blow up what is not "in"?
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LGoPs Thu, Jan 15, 2009 2:18:59pm |
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dhimmwit Thu, Jan 15, 2009 2:19:03pm |
re: #354 Nevergiveup
I hate to be the materialistic bum here, but think the passengers on that US Airlines flight is gonna get a refund?
Probably they'll just get goosed
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SFGoth Thu, Jan 15, 2009 2:19:15pm |
Wonder if anyone was on a mileage run. Bad luck if so.
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albusteve Thu, Jan 15, 2009 2:19:36pm |
re: #338 tradewind
Bird strikes can and do literally tear aircraft engines up. Pilots fear them. They have seen the demonstrations with the frozen turkeys in the wind tunnel sim hangars.
In most cases, it's just one engine. It gets shut down, and everyone is happy after landing.
didnt birds bring down the Concord?
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Kosh's Shadow Thu, Jan 15, 2009 2:19:44pm |
re: #360 jcm
The lone surviving Boeing 377 Stratocruiser ditched in Elliot Bay and flew again. It's possible to refly the plane if it's structurally sound, but the repairs to the systems and interior would make it cost prohibitive.
Yes. It is worth it for a unique aircraft like the 377; not worth it for a 320 or 737.
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JammieWearingFool Thu, Jan 15, 2009 2:19:52pm |
re: #354 Nevergiveup
I hate to be the materialistic bum here, but think the passengers on that US Airlines flight is gonna get a refund?
I assume they'll be rewarded handsomely for their inconvenience.
Not sure if anyone mentioned it but LGA to Charlotte was the first leg. It was then destined for Seattle.
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Ben Hur Thu, Jan 15, 2009 2:19:59pm |
re: #351 JammieWearingFool
I don't know about other parts of the country, but those damn geese are a menace in this area. Time to drastically thin the flock.
NEVER!
They had to shut off the two towers of light that were the memorial to the WTC victims because the animal rights people freaked out over the POTENTIAL damage they could do to birds.
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DisturbedEma Thu, Jan 15, 2009 2:20:06pm |
re: #354 Nevergiveup
I hate to be the materialistic bum here, but think the passengers on that US Airlines flight is gonna get a refund?
The small print will prohibit it. . .you watch!
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CyanSnowHawk Thu, Jan 15, 2009 2:20:18pm |
re: #354 Nevergiveup
I hate to be the materialistic bum here, but think the passengers on that US Airlines flight is gonna get a refund?
Maybe prorated for the distance that they did manage to go.
/
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Spare O'Lake Thu, Jan 15, 2009 2:20:29pm |
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DeafDog Thu, Jan 15, 2009 2:20:33pm |
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mdaspinall Thu, Jan 15, 2009 2:20:39pm |
re: #337 Kosh's Shadow
Ah so - they weren't geese they were chickens wearing fake IDF uniforms...the plot unravels...
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MandyManners Thu, Jan 15, 2009 2:20:45pm |
re: #354 Nevergiveup
I hate to be the materialistic bum here, but think the passengers on that US Airlines flight is gonna get a refund?
I hope so, plus hotel and food vouchers.
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Bloodnok Thu, Jan 15, 2009 2:21:06pm |
re: #361 MandyManners
Does anyone else notice how much distance there is between lines when you reply with a quote?
.
.
Why yes. Yes I did.
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Dustoff-507 Thu, Jan 15, 2009 2:21:07pm |
re: #358 Ben Hur
I've seen worse. A video of a China 737. The ground handler did not make it. It was a big mess. )-:
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CIA Reject Thu, Jan 15, 2009 2:21:23pm |
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Ben Hur Thu, Jan 15, 2009 2:21:23pm |
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OldLineTexan Thu, Jan 15, 2009 2:21:29pm |
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Dustoff-507 Thu, Jan 15, 2009 2:21:41pm |
re: #360 jcm
I remember that mess, Flying with low fuel dummies!
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alegrias Thu, Jan 15, 2009 2:21:42pm |
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Guanxi88 Thu, Jan 15, 2009 2:21:43pm |
re: #331 MandyManners
Such as?
Irishmen, of course. Damned Papists:
[Link: wcbstv.com...]
[Link: news.theolympian.com...]
[Link: www.chicagoreporter.com...]
[Link: www.frontpagemag.com...]
[Link: www.spiegel.de...]
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SFGoth Thu, Jan 15, 2009 2:21:45pm |
Why should US Air pay for food and lodging? It's not their fault.
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Mich-again Thu, Jan 15, 2009 2:21:57pm |
re: #338 tradewind
Bird strikes can and do literally tear aircraft engines up. Pilots fear them. They have seen the demonstrations with the frozen turkeys in the wind tunnel sim hangars.
Why would a pilot fear a frozen turkey destroying their plane's engine?
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Alberta Oil Peon Thu, Jan 15, 2009 2:22:03pm |
re: #354 Nevergiveup
I hate to be the materialistic bum here, but think the passengers on that US Airlines flight is gonna get a refund?
Probably a refund, or a voucher for another flight of equal value. Also compensation for lost luggage, and very likely hotel rooms and restaurant meal vouchers for those who need them.
I got the latter two just this past Summer when my flight out of Norman Wells was cancelled due to the aircraft having mechanical problems, and was forced to double back to Yellowknife to land.
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MandyManners Thu, Jan 15, 2009 2:22:50pm |
re: #376 Spare O'Lake
re: #349 MandyManners
re: #322 Spare O'Lake
re: #217 MandyManners
re: #206 Bloodnok
re: #194 MandyManners
It'll ketchup soon.
I'm too tired to mustard a response.
Too bad...I usually relish your comments.
I mayo find the energy.
Oolala, when you speak fwench like that it leaves me in a pickle.
Test.
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mdaspinall Thu, Jan 15, 2009 2:23:00pm |
re: #373 Ben Hur
Yes but the bearded geese are the chosen geese and the sight of anything worthwhile offends them...
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akak Thu, Jan 15, 2009 2:23:16pm |
Amazing on all counts for this story. Hope all the families are ok - no heart attacks or such?
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Ben Hur Thu, Jan 15, 2009 2:23:23pm |
re: #391 buzzsawmonkey
re: #373 Ben Hur
I never heard that.Idiots. Next thing you know, they'll demand that the colored lights on the Empire State Building be extinguished--not that they won't anyway after the Obama/Gore Managed Energy Scarcity Policy takes hold.
I'm sorry, but I don't beleive that I know something that you don't.
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spirochete Thu, Jan 15, 2009 2:23:26pm |
re: #395 MandyManners
re: #376 Spare O'Lake
re: #349 MandyManners
re: #322 Spare O'Lake
re: #217 MandyManners
re: #206 Bloodnok
re: #194 MandyManners
It'll ketchup soon.
I'm too tired to mustard a response.
Too bad...I usually relish your comments.
I mayo find the energy.
Oolala, when you speak fwench like that it leaves me in a pickle.
Test.
Another test.
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jcbunga Thu, Jan 15, 2009 2:23:26pm |
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Bubbaman Thu, Jan 15, 2009 2:23:29pm |
Is anyone sure it wasn't A Flock of Seagulls? I ran, I ran so far away...
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alegrias Thu, Jan 15, 2009 2:23:30pm |
re: #390 SFGoth
Why should US Air pay for food and lodging? It's not their fault.
* * *
I can see why those passengers might expect a BAILOUT!
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Guanxi88 Thu, Jan 15, 2009 2:23:46pm |
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Nevergiveup Thu, Jan 15, 2009 2:23:52pm |
re: #390 SFGoth
Why should US Air pay for food and lodging? It's not their fault.
Well good PR for one. It may not be US Airway's fault that the plane hit birds, but still, people buy a ticket with expectations that they will deplane onto dry land.
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DeafDog Thu, Jan 15, 2009 2:24:01pm |
re: #354 Nevergiveup
I hate to be the materialistic bum here, but think the passengers on that US Airlines flight is gonna get a refund?
This is an interesting question.
As a matter of customer service, these customers will get whatever they want.
However, if the cause of the accident is indded the geese, then that's an act of god. I'm not a lawyers, but it seems to me that the airline is not legally obligated to provide a refund. But they should book them on the next flight to Charlotte.
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Mich-again Thu, Jan 15, 2009 2:24:02pm |
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OldLineTexan Thu, Jan 15, 2009 2:24:11pm |
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opnion Thu, Jan 15, 2009 2:24:12pm |
re: #378 tradewind
re: #350 opnion
It's freaking loud, isn't it...
:)
It is like an explosion. I was seated off of the wing that took the strike.
We were three across & all saw it. A poor young woman next to me freaked. She grabbed me around the neck & It took a while to pry her off. Trust me it was not my charm that attracted her, she was terrified.
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Killian Bundy Thu, Jan 15, 2009 2:24:14pm |
Sky just might be the happiest employee at Southwest Florida International Airport.
. . .
Sky represents the third generation of working dogs at Southwest Florida International, which was the first commercial airport in the country to use a dog as part of its Wildlife Management Program. Jet, a male Border collie, was adopted in 1999 and worked for about two years. In 2001, Radar was brought on at just more than 2 years old, retiring in June at the ripe age of 9.
The bird dog concept has caught on across the country, where airport operations managers are finding just how efficient dogs can be at keeping birds off the airfield and clear of the runways.
“When we first started the bird dog program, we were reporting like 40 strikes a year,” said Angie Straight. “And now we’re down to about 10.”
/and some h8ters say dogs are unclean
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MandyManners Thu, Jan 15, 2009 2:24:36pm |
re: #391 buzzsawmonkey
re: #373 Ben Hur
I never heard that.Idiots. Next thing you know, they'll demand that the colored lights on the Empire State Building be extinguished--not that they won't anyway after the Obama/Gore Managed Energy Scarcity Policy takes hold.
But, not the green ones for Muslims!
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OldLineTexan Thu, Jan 15, 2009 2:24:39pm |
re: #395 MandyManners
I thought Charles turned the chaining whatsis off...
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CyanSnowHawk Thu, Jan 15, 2009 2:24:46pm |
re: #400 jcbunga
With God as my witness I thought turkeys could fly.
And now it's time for more music and less Nesman.
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Digital Display Thu, Jan 15, 2009 2:24:59pm |
re: #391 buzzsawmonkey
I never heard that.
Idiots. Next thing you know, they'll demand that the colored lights on the Empire State Building be extinguished--not that they won't anyway after the Obama/Gore Managed Energy Scarcity Policy takes hold.
Well light does so much damage to the environment...Gird up those loins..we are in for a wild ride
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kansas Thu, Jan 15, 2009 2:24:59pm |
re: #12 zombie
Gee, I wouldn't want to be the US Airways Public Relations Director, seeing that photo (at top of threead) plastered all over the media.
Easier to splain that the blackened outline of a plane on a runway surrounded by body bags, which is usually what we see.
| 417 |
alegrias Thu, Jan 15, 2009 2:24:59pm |
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FrogMarch Thu, Jan 15, 2009 2:25:04pm |
Freaky. I'm getting on a plane tomorrow and am nervous as hell.
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JammieWearingFool Thu, Jan 15, 2009 2:25:07pm |
re: #373 Ben Hur
NEVER!
They had to shut off the two towers of light that were the memorial to the WTC victims because the animal rights people freaked out over the POTENTIAL damage they could do to birds.
Those damn things foul every park in north Jersey. Soccer fields, football fields, whatever, covered in goose shit. Time for open season. In my immediate area here in Outer Whitelandia I don't see too many. We're just inundated with wild turkeys, deer and bears. At least those beasts are snoozing right now.
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kcladderman Thu, Jan 15, 2009 2:25:21pm |
re: #341 picayune
WWII pilots were found of the statement: "Any landing you walk away from, is a good one!"
Again, great response by these US Airways pilots.
And any landing you can reuse the plane is a perfect landing
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picayune Thu, Jan 15, 2009 2:25:33pm |
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Nevergiveup Thu, Jan 15, 2009 2:26:12pm |
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CapeCoddah Thu, Jan 15, 2009 2:26:23pm |
re: #38 MandyManners
And people think I'm crazy for refusing to fly.
He all. Im with you, Mandy, I'd rather swim than fly.
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CIA Reject Thu, Jan 15, 2009 2:26:32pm |
re: #418 FrogMarch
Freaky. I'm getting on a plane tomorrow and am nervous as hell.
Don't sweat it- the most dangerous part of your trip will be the cab ride to the airport!
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MandyManners Thu, Jan 15, 2009 2:26:37pm |
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Nevergiveup Thu, Jan 15, 2009 2:26:49pm |
re: #426 CapeCoddah
He all. Im with you, Mandy, I'd rather swim than fly.
Well these people got to do both?
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OldLineTexan Thu, Jan 15, 2009 2:27:09pm |
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MandyManners Thu, Jan 15, 2009 2:27:24pm |
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ColdPizza Thu, Jan 15, 2009 2:27:29pm |
Um don't mean to interrupt but is anyones Rooster Cam Working?
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tradewind Thu, Jan 15, 2009 2:27:38pm |
re: #406 DeafDog
US Air will do everything they can, within reason, to make the passengers comfortable and to get them to their destination when they can travel. There are liasons for that who will be assigned to them.
Then the bloodsucker contingent of the plaintiff's bar will descend with lawsuits on behalf of some of the more ignorant, ungrateful, and money-grubbing px, and the airline will settle in most cases, to get rid of the a-holes.
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alegrias Thu, Jan 15, 2009 2:27:42pm |
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CyanSnowHawk Thu, Jan 15, 2009 2:27:45pm |
re: #413 albusteve
tire exploded...
After they ran over some debris that had come off a plane that used the runway before they did.
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MandyManners Thu, Jan 15, 2009 2:28:02pm |
re: #418 FrogMarch
Freaky. I'm getting on a plane tomorrow and am nervous as hell.
Start drinking heavily.
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David IV of Georgia Thu, Jan 15, 2009 2:28:03pm |
As for the plane ever flying again:
The NTSB, FAA, Airbus and others will tear that plane apart to see if it indeed was a bird strike that brought the plane down. They will also want to see how the plane's collision and safety features performed—what worked & what didn't. Insurance companies will want to know who is ultimately liable.
Without daily, even hourly slaughter of birds, it is very difficult to keep birds away from airports. Pilots and air traffic controllers often pass information back and forth about birds when they get too near airplane traffic.
| 439 |
jcbunga Thu, Jan 15, 2009 2:28:11pm |
Wachovia back execs were on board...now they WILL need a government bail out
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tradewind Thu, Jan 15, 2009 2:28:14pm |
re: #409 opnion
Loud, bright, and the most freaky when you are in what looks like clear air.
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Nevergiveup Thu, Jan 15, 2009 2:28:18pm |
re: #433 Ojoe
With an airship, birds would not be a problem.
Yeah, boy that worked real well at Lakehurst last time?
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jcm Thu, Jan 15, 2009 2:28:21pm |
re: #424 Ojoe
Runway debris did in the Concorde IIRC.
Correct, a piece of metal blew a tire, tire debris puncture a fuel tank dumping fuel directly into engines 1 & 2. The aircraft continued to lose airspeed, and the nose up angle increased until it stalled and tail slid to the ground.
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notutopia Thu, Jan 15, 2009 2:28:21pm |
re: #432 ColdPizza
Um don't mean to interrupt but is anyones Rooster Cam Working?
[Link: switch434-01.castup.net...]
No audio however.
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Silhouette Thu, Jan 15, 2009 2:28:26pm |
re: #318 maddogg
Sure, just have the Democrats declare all airspace a No-geese zone. Problem solved!
With signs with a cool anti-goose logo.
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alegrias Thu, Jan 15, 2009 2:28:36pm |
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CapeCoddah Thu, Jan 15, 2009 2:28:44pm |
re: #429 Nevergiveup
Well these people got to do both?
Thought that, but, left it out. One hell of a hero pilot, though.
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jcm Thu, Jan 15, 2009 2:29:08pm |
re: #433 Ojoe
With an airship, birds would not be a problem.
But there is that whole, burning, crashing Oh! the Humanity issue.....
//
| 449 |
Mich-again Thu, Jan 15, 2009 2:29:09pm |
| 450 |
OldLineTexan Thu, Jan 15, 2009 2:29:14pm |
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MandyManners Thu, Jan 15, 2009 2:29:14pm |
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Alberta Oil Peon Thu, Jan 15, 2009 2:29:21pm |
re: #433 Ojoe
With an airship, birds would not be a problem.
Naw, the damn pigeons would just roost on it in such numbers that it would slowly fall out of the sky from excess weight.
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tradewind Thu, Jan 15, 2009 2:29:35pm |
re: #438 David IV of Georgia
There had been a notam (notice to airmen) issued re the geese, I heard. But hey.... whatareyagonnado?
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CapeCoddah Thu, Jan 15, 2009 2:29:35pm |
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mdaspinall Thu, Jan 15, 2009 2:29:35pm |
re: #315 Kosh's Shadow
Nothing to see here...Move along now
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MandyManners Thu, Jan 15, 2009 2:29:59pm |
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Dianna Thu, Jan 15, 2009 2:29:59pm |
re: #432 ColdPizza
Um don't mean to interrupt but is anyones Rooster Cam Working?
I appear to be looking at a still shot. At least, nothing's moving that I can see.
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picayune Thu, Jan 15, 2009 2:30:06pm |
re: #311 MandyManners
Yea, really, where the hell is PETA, when you need'em? Many US airports have various methods that attempt to deal with birds v airplanes.
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OldLineTexan Thu, Jan 15, 2009 2:30:32pm |
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alegrias Thu, Jan 15, 2009 2:30:35pm |
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CapeCoddah Thu, Jan 15, 2009 2:30:39pm |
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CyanSnowHawk Thu, Jan 15, 2009 2:30:44pm |
re: #432 ColdPizza
Um don't mean to interrupt but is anyones Rooster Cam Working?
Apparently has too many users trying to connect and it's all cocked up.
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tradewind Thu, Jan 15, 2009 2:30:44pm |
re: #439 jcbunga
Wonder if USAir will ask the feds to cover the plane with a TARP......
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Ojoe Thu, Jan 15, 2009 2:30:49pm |
re: #450 OldLineTexan
Too bad, huh? & Hugo Eckener, head of the Zeppelin outfit, was very anti-Nazi as well. Ironic.
BBL
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ColdPizza Thu, Jan 15, 2009 2:30:50pm |
re: #443 notutopia
re: #432 ColdPizza
[Link: switch434-01.castup.net...]
No audio however.
um it says "cant render the file"
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FrogMarch Thu, Jan 15, 2009 2:30:55pm |
re: #437 MandyManners
Start drinking heavily.
Good advice. Bloody Mary - the breakfast of champions.
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Nevergiveup Thu, Jan 15, 2009 2:31:00pm |
re: #450 OldLineTexan
Because we would not sell helium, a strategic resource, the Germans used hydrogen.
And we stopped selling Oil to the Japanese. Hum, you see a pattern here?
| 468 |
jwb7605 Thu, Jan 15, 2009 2:31:06pm |
re: #392 Mich-again
Why would a pilot fear a frozen turkey destroying their plane's engine?
We used to use walnut shells to clean the turbine blades (engine running).
Not joking. Bags of crushed walnut shells.
(U.S. Navy -- watch Ben Hur's link #358. Never heard of such a thing! Our intakes were at "waist level", and we had to duck under the plane)
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MandyManners Thu, Jan 15, 2009 2:31:07pm |
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jcm Thu, Jan 15, 2009 2:31:18pm |
re: #449 Mich-again
Do they use real birds?
Not live, dead, frozen and thawed so that carcass matches the muscle tension of a live bird. Just dead birds are too slack in muscle tone.
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jcbunga Thu, Jan 15, 2009 2:31:26pm |
re: #433 Ojoe
Yeah, boy that worked real well at Lakehurst last time?
Because we would not sell helium, a strategic resource, the Germans used hydrogen.
I think Wilson's mistrust of the Hun was justified. More Wilson Derangement Syndrome/
| 472 |
CyanSnowHawk Thu, Jan 15, 2009 2:31:31pm |
re: #433 Ojoe
With an airship, birds would not be a problem.
When you absolutely, positively, have to be there next week sometime.
| 473 |
CapeCoddah Thu, Jan 15, 2009 2:31:34pm |
re: #456 MandyManners
Michael Phelps, is that you?
Nah, Just one who believes that if God meant for us to fly, we would have been born with wings!
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DeafDog Thu, Jan 15, 2009 2:31:35pm |
re: #434 tradewind
I agree that from a customer service perspective, these passengers will be treated royally.
And, yes, the bloodsuckers are definitly licking their chops. John Edwards is looking for work and he's probably already build the case. I hope the passengers fight that temptation, but they probably will yield to it and get some extra cash.
But based on the contract in the ticket, I don't think these customers are 'due' a refund. They are just due booking on the next flight to their destination.
| 475 |
alegrias Thu, Jan 15, 2009 2:31:42pm |
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Jan 15, 2009 2:31:46pm |
Awesome. Amazing. Incredible. Fantastic.
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OldLineTexan Thu, Jan 15, 2009 2:32:03pm |
re: #456 MandyManners
Michael Phelps, is that you?
Possibly. Is he toweling off SLOWLY with a Sham Wow?
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FrogMarch Thu, Jan 15, 2009 2:32:28pm |
re: #427 CIA Reject
Don't sweat it- the most dangerous part of your trip will be the cab ride to the airport!
That's what they say. Still, I rather die in the cab.
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MandyManners Thu, Jan 15, 2009 2:32:48pm |
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David IV of Georgia Thu, Jan 15, 2009 2:32:58pm |
re: 334 Silhouettere: #296 David IV of Georgia
For the most part women and children and the injured were helped out first.
I wonder what the exceptions were.
I was writing from memory. That "for the most part" was unintended editorializing on my part.
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OldLineTexan Thu, Jan 15, 2009 2:33:13pm |
re: #460 alegrias
* * *Please Don't--Please sSave the crew from having to argue with drunk passengers--they've got enough on their hands.
I saw that happen once. Wasn't much of an argument after the Air Marshals came on board before we were allowed to deplane and hauled them off...
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MandyManners Thu, Jan 15, 2009 2:33:15pm |
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Only The Lurker Knows Thu, Jan 15, 2009 2:33:29pm |
re: #260 Dustoff-507
Yes, but I am on vacation for another 8 days.
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Dianna Thu, Jan 15, 2009 2:33:38pm |
re: #481 FrogMarch
That's what they say. Still, I rather die in the cab.
Yeah. It's probably faster.
Falling 30,000 feet just leaves me with waaaaay too much time to think.
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Walter L. Newton Thu, Jan 15, 2009 2:33:50pm |
re: #476 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Awesome. Amazing. Incredible. Fantastic.
Are you looking at carrot cake again :)
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MandyManners Thu, Jan 15, 2009 2:34:07pm |
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Alberta Oil Peon Thu, Jan 15, 2009 2:34:09pm |
re: #459 OldLineTexan
F-15 canopies were tested at least once that I read about with frozen chickens. At an old job, we had an Aviation Weekly subscription.
I think they were supposed to thaw the frozen chickens before firing them at the aircraft with a big air-gun.
A thawed chicken would act more or less like a live chicken, insofar as the collision with the test target is concerned (but a lot less squawking and flapping, I expect).
A frozen chicken would act more like hitting an airborne rock. Big difference.
| 492 |
newsjunkie_ky Thu, Jan 15, 2009 2:34:20pm |
Took that flight the day after Thanksgiving.
So thankful all made it out of the water alive, with minor injuries.
| 493 |
Eowyn2 Thu, Jan 15, 2009 2:34:31pm |
re: #12 zombie
Gee, I wouldn't want to be the US Airways Public Relations Director, seeing that photo (at top of threead) plastered all over the media.
I think it would be great for PR.
Plane flys into birds, engines down, top pilot lands plane on Hudson river, everyone survives. a special thank you to all the passengers for their wonderful cooperation in exiting the plane and staying calm.
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notutopia Thu, Jan 15, 2009 2:34:36pm |
re: #465 ColdPizza
um it says "cant render the file"
I just reopened it fine in another tab. The audio is coming and going.
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Nevergiveup Thu, Jan 15, 2009 2:34:36pm |
The FOX reporter outside in Weehaken is freezing his tush off
| 496 |
MandyManners Thu, Jan 15, 2009 2:34:41pm |
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Walter L. Newton Thu, Jan 15, 2009 2:34:41pm |
re: #488 Dianna
Yeah. It's probably faster.
Falling 30,000 feet just leaves me with waaaaay too much time to think.
It's really not that much time, but the point that you finally get your thoughts in order, well, then...
| 498 |
LGoPs Thu, Jan 15, 2009 2:35:02pm |
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OldLineTexan Thu, Jan 15, 2009 2:35:10pm |
re: #469 MandyManners
Isn't that the sound effect when the aardvark snags an ant in B.C.?
;)
And the lightning bolts.
I loved B.C.
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Silhouette Thu, Jan 15, 2009 2:35:11pm |
re: #484 David IV of Georgia
I was writing from memory. That "for the most part" was unintended editorializing on my part.
Darn. I thought we were going to have a juicy "rude, pushy passenger" story. With all the good news, we need a crash villian.
| 501 |
albusteve Thu, Jan 15, 2009 2:35:29pm |
| 502 |
MandyManners Thu, Jan 15, 2009 2:35:29pm |
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astronmr20 Thu, Jan 15, 2009 2:35:39pm |
re: #500 Silhouette
Darn. I thought we were going to have a juicy "rude, pushy passenger" story. With all the good news, we need a crash villian.
Geese.
| 504 |
SFGoth Thu, Jan 15, 2009 2:35:40pm |
re: #488 Dianna
Yeah. It's probably faster.
Falling 30,000 feet just leaves me with waaaaay too much time to think.
That's why I immediately get as drunk as possible the moment I board. j/k (Sometimes I have boarded drunk, but I'm well-behaved.)
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BigMoo Thu, Jan 15, 2009 2:35:47pm |
re: #474 DeafDog
"John Edwards is looking for work and he's probably already build the case"
I wonder if he'll 'channel' the dead geese ? That supposedly was his 'specialty' during closing arguments when he was suing OB's out of business....'channeling' the baby while it was still in the womb...class act.
| 506 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Jan 15, 2009 2:35:47pm |
re: #489 Walter L. Newton
Speaking of Denver...I was on a flight into Denver once. Hit some canadian geese (I guess) at 21,000 feet. Direct hit on the wing. Was on a hotel shuttle with the Captain and crew. He said it looked like we were hit by three bowling balls.
| 507 |
FabioC. Thu, Jan 15, 2009 2:35:48pm |
If the pilots are well-trained professional (and they seem to be), what goes on in their minds is probably how to set the attitude and airspeed as right as possible and perform all the other tasks required by the situation.
On an aviation forum (I think the airdisaster.net one) I have read interesting stories about how to get rid of birds around airports.
| 508 |
Bloodnok Thu, Jan 15, 2009 2:35:54pm |
re: #469 MandyManners
Isn't that the sound effect when the aardvark snags an ant in B.C.?
That's quite a memory you have! I haven't thought of that in years.
| 509 |
DeafDog Thu, Jan 15, 2009 2:36:01pm |
While we are talking about airline tragedies in NYC.
It was a few years ago, but does anyone have a strong opinion on TWA Flight 800
| 510 |
OldLineTexan Thu, Jan 15, 2009 2:36:13pm |
re: #491 Alberta Oil Peon
re: #459 OldLineTexan
I think they were supposed to thaw the frozen chickens before firing them at the aircraft with a big air-gun.A thawed chicken would act more or less like a live chicken, insofar as the collision with the test target is concerned (but a lot less squawking and flapping, I expect).
A frozen chicken would act more like hitting an airborne rock. Big difference.
I don't think they are completely thawed. JCM had more complete info. A limp bird carcass won't do.
| 511 |
tradewind Thu, Jan 15, 2009 2:36:18pm |
re: #481 FrogMarch
Here're the stats: 74% of all airline crashes, including the ' bad ' ones, are survived.
So don't be drunk on the plane, do look at the seat pocket card to see where your nearest exits are (probably not the one you boarded from), and don't pile crap around the floor near the exits. It makes getting out so much harder. Also, the biggest mistake px make in a crash is failing to unfasten their seat belts. If you're in an accident, when movement stops, unfasten the belt!
| 513 |
newsjunkie_ky Thu, Jan 15, 2009 2:36:28pm |
re: #493 Eowyn2
re: #12 zombie
I think it would be great for PR.
Plane flys into birds, engines down, top pilot lands plane on Hudson river, everyone survives. a special thank you to all the passengers for their wonderful cooperation in exiting the plane and staying calm.
Sounds like a good ad to me.
| 514 |
jcm Thu, Jan 15, 2009 2:36:35pm |
re: #488 Dianna
Yeah. It's probably faster.
Falling 30,000 feet just leaves me with waaaaay too much time to think.
At 30,000 feet you'd lose consciousness very rapidly, without a pressurized oxygen supply.
| 515 |
Kosh's Shadow Thu, Jan 15, 2009 2:36:37pm |
re: #433 Ojoe
With an airship, birds would not be a problem.
But winds and storms are. If you think thunderstorms cause flight delays for aircraft, they're worse for airships. Look up the Shenandoah, Akron, and Macon.
| 516 |
CapeCoddah Thu, Jan 15, 2009 2:36:47pm |
re: #474 DeafDog
I agree that from a customer service perspective, these passengers will be treated royally.
And, yes, the bloodsuckers are definitly licking their chops. John Edwards is looking for work and he's probably already build the case. I hope the passengers fight that temptation, but they probably will yield to it and get some extra cash.
But based on the contract in the ticket, I don't think these customers are 'due' a refund. They are just due booking on the next flight to their destination.
Ya know, if an ambulance chaser came to my home, had I been on this plane, I
would have them arrested for trespassing. This was no one's fault, It was geese. Unavoidable. That pilot saved everyones life, and that would be plenty for me. Anyone who sues over this is a horses ass.
| 517 |
Walter L. Newton Thu, Jan 15, 2009 2:37:04pm |
re: #506 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Speaking of Denver...I was on a flight into Denver once. Hit some canadian geese (I guess) at 21,000 feet. Direct hit on the wing. Was on a hotel shuttle with the Captain and crew. He said it looked like we were hit by three bowling balls.
I mentioned up thread, we have shitloads of geese in the Denver area. And it's against the law to kill them. We could feed ALL the homeless if we let them BBQ them.
| 518 |
albusteve Thu, Jan 15, 2009 2:37:04pm |
re: #506 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Speaking of Denver...I was on a flight into Denver once. Hit some canadian geese (I guess) at 21,000 feet. Direct hit on the wing. Was on a hotel shuttle with the Captain and crew. He said it looked like we were hit by three bowling balls.
geese at 21000 ft?...what?
| 519 |
really grumpy big dog Johnson Thu, Jan 15, 2009 2:37:10pm |
One of the survivors said it was 2-3 minutes into the flight before anything happened.
That means that geese at the airport were not the problem.
Comprende?
| 520 |
BigMoo Thu, Jan 15, 2009 2:37:11pm |
re: #495 Nevergiveup
I think Shep Smith had wood while this was going on-it was a bit freaky.
| 521 |
CapeCoddah Thu, Jan 15, 2009 2:37:14pm |
| 522 |
Ayatollah Ghilmeini Thu, Jan 15, 2009 2:38:05pm |
The incident is unprecedented. I cannot recall another forced landing of a commercial passenger jet on water. Never happened before.
The luggage may be a total loss but if they got everyone out of there, it has made my whole day and is the best good news bad news ever. US air is out 1 plane but what a happy ending!
| 523 |
DeafDog Thu, Jan 15, 2009 2:38:15pm |
re: #505 BigMoo
I was gonna say something about, "thankfully he was not able to con the American Public," but considering what we got, I don't know whether Edwards would have been better or worse.
| 524 |
Kosh's Shadow Thu, Jan 15, 2009 2:38:31pm |
re: #496 MandyManners
Or, dual-use brooms.
Does WAB fly on a broom while Barack flies on the unicorn?
| 525 |
Dianna Thu, Jan 15, 2009 2:38:50pm |
re: #497 Walter L. Newton
It's really not that much time, but the point that you finally get your thoughts in order, well, then...
Just remember the main reason not to panic when the plan appears to be about to crash: You might survive, and you don't want to have looked like an idiot.
So, when facing death, maintain.
| 526 |
notutopia Thu, Jan 15, 2009 2:39:02pm |
re: #509 DeafDog
While we are talking about airline tragedies in NYC.
It was a few years ago, but does anyone have a strong opinion on TWA Flight 800
Missile
[Link: whatreallyhappened.com...]
| 527 |
jcbunga Thu, Jan 15, 2009 2:39:05pm |
re: #519 really grumpy big dog Johnson
One of the survivors said it was 2-3 minutes into the flight before anything happened.
That means that geese at the airport were not the problem.
Comprende?
The geese clearly knew the intended flight path. They only have to be right once...
| 529 |
jcm Thu, Jan 15, 2009 2:39:19pm |
re: #509 DeafDog
While we are talking about airline tragedies in NYC.
It was a few years ago, but does anyone have a strong opinion on TWA Flight 800
I'm mixed on it. From what I've read, the incident is more consistent with a missile strike than the official explanation. I do not think it was an errant US missile, some one would have leaked by know.
| 530 |
Alberta Oil Peon Thu, Jan 15, 2009 2:39:25pm |
re: #510 OldLineTexan
I don't think they are completely thawed. JCM had more complete info. A limp bird carcass won't do.
I'm sure he's right. But neither will a fully-frozen one do.
| 531 |
Kosh's Shadow Thu, Jan 15, 2009 2:39:28pm |
re: #525 Dianna
Just remember the main reason not to panic when the plan appears to be about to crash: You might survive, and you don't want to have looked like an idiot.
So, when facing death, maintain.
You mean you aren't supposed to get in the crash position like on Airplane?
| 532 |
albusteve Thu, Jan 15, 2009 2:39:31pm |
re: #518 albusteve
geese at 21000 ft?...what?
actually Bar Head geese have been seen at over 33000 ft....over the Himalyas...I knew you'd want to know....
| 533 |
Eowyn2 Thu, Jan 15, 2009 2:39:31pm |
| 534 |
Only The Lurker Knows Thu, Jan 15, 2009 2:39:38pm |
re: #370 albusteve
During the plane's take-off run from Charles de Gaulle Airport, a piece of titanium debris on the runway ruptured a tyre, which subsequently burst. The piece was about three centimetres wide and nearly 50 centimetres long. A large chunk of tyre (4.5 kg) struck the underside of the aircraft's wing structure at over 300 km/h rupturing fuel tank number 5 above the landing gear. Leaking fuel was ignited by an electric arc in the landing gear bay or through contact with severed electrical cables. At the point of ignition, engines 1 and 2 both surged and lost all power, but slowly recovered over the next few seconds. A large plume of flame developed; the crew then shut down engine 2 in response to a fire warning.
| 535 |
alegrias Thu, Jan 15, 2009 2:39:43pm |
re: #511 tradewind
re: #481 FrogMarch
Here're the stats: 74% of all airline crashes, including the ' bad ' ones, are survived.
So don't be drunk on the plane, do look at the seat pocket card to see where your nearest exits are (probably not the one you boarded from), and don't pile crap around the floor near the exits. It makes getting out so much harder. Also, the biggest mistake px make in a crash is failing to unfasten their seat belts. If you're in an accident, when movement stops, unfasten the belt!
* * *
Thank you for some sanity & good advice.
Flying drunk or in an altered state is no way to save yourself or help others.
The good people who said "Let's Roll" on 9/11 were no doubt scared but THINKING like soldiers on a mission.
God bless all who serve and look out for us, the passengers.
| 536 |
newsjunkie_ky Thu, Jan 15, 2009 2:40:06pm |
re: #516 CapeCoddah
re: #474 DeafDog
Ya know, if an ambulance chaser came to my home, had I been on this plane, I
would have them arrested for trespassing. This was no one's fault, It was geese. Unavoidable. That pilot saved everyones life, and that would be plenty for me. Anyone who sues over this is a horses ass.
Agree!
| 537 |
tradewind Thu, Jan 15, 2009 2:40:12pm |
re: #516 CapeCoddah
That's because you're a morally sound human being. Statistically, there will have been a bunch on that flight who won't qualify.
| 538 |
jwb7605 Thu, Jan 15, 2009 2:40:22pm |
re: #525 Dianna
Just remember the main reason not to panic when the plan appears to be about to crash: You might survive, and you don't want to have looked like an idiot.
So, when facing death, maintain.
Looking like an idiot is the least of my worries (well practiced).
Panic kills. Period.
| 539 |
Dianna Thu, Jan 15, 2009 2:40:22pm |
re: #504 SFGoth
I'm the woman who sits there with a frozen smile on her face. I don't drink because my stomach's up in my throat.
| 540 |
BigMoo Thu, Jan 15, 2009 2:40:23pm |
re: #523 DeafDog
LMAO-Amen to that. To say our 'options were limited' this election cycle is a tragedy. I reckon a nation gets what it deserves when this is the case...
| 541 |
Killgore Trout Thu, Jan 15, 2009 2:40:32pm |
CAIR demands Jews be tried for war crimes....
CAIR: U.S. Should Ask U.N. to Seek Gaza War Crimes Trials
Not a peep about Hamas using human shields.
| 542 |
DeafDog Thu, Jan 15, 2009 2:40:42pm |
re: #516 CapeCoddah
re: #474 DeafDog
Ya know, if an ambulance chaser came to my home, had I been on this plane, I
would have them arrested for trespassing. This was no one's fault, It was geese. Unavoidable. That pilot saved everyones life, and that would be plenty for me. Anyone who sues over this is a horses ass.
If it is the geese, I could not agree more.
| 543 |
OldLineTexan Thu, Jan 15, 2009 2:41:06pm |
re: #530 Alberta Oil Peon
re: #510 OldLineTexan
I'm sure he's right. But neither will a fully-frozen one do.
OK. Closest I ever got personally to a test like that (i.e., something loud and/or dangerous) was a Shuttle Orbiter brake test on the giant dyno at Wright-Pat. I never got to play with canopies or such.
| 544 |
opnion Thu, Jan 15, 2009 2:41:17pm |
| 545 |
CyanSnowHawk Thu, Jan 15, 2009 2:41:18pm |
re: #509 DeafDog
While we are talking about airline tragedies in NYC.
It was a few years ago, but does anyone have a strong opinion on TWA Flight 800
I think a lot of troofers have strong opinions on that. No evidence to speak of, but lots of opinions.
| 546 |
notutopia Thu, Jan 15, 2009 2:41:22pm |
Gazacam with audio back up. The tanks are firing.
[Link: switch434-01.castup.net...]
| 547 |
albusteve Thu, Jan 15, 2009 2:41:23pm |
re: #534 Bubblehead II
During the plane's take-off run from Charles de Gaulle Airport, a piece of titanium debris on the runway ruptured a tyre, which subsequently burst. The piece was about three centimetres wide and nearly 50 centimetres long. A large chunk of tyre (4.5 kg) struck the underside of the aircraft's wing structure at over 300 km/h rupturing fuel tank number 5 above the landing gear. Leaking fuel was ignited by an electric arc in the landing gear bay or through contact with severed electrical cables. At the point of ignition, engines 1 and 2 both surged and lost all power, but slowly recovered over the next few seconds. A large plume of flame developed; the crew then shut down engine 2 in response to a fire warning.
very tragic....not mechanical error and all that
| 548 |
Eowyn2 Thu, Jan 15, 2009 2:41:29pm |
re: #484 David IV of Georgia
I was writing from memory. That "for the most part" was unintended editorializing on my part.
Elderly people. 1st class passengers
steerage women and children had to wait for their 'betters' to be unloaded
| 549 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Jan 15, 2009 2:41:43pm |
When ever I fly, because of my stature (I'm tall! Okay!?) I get seats near emergency exits. Flight attendant would ask me if I am capable of opening the exit. I would always respond with, "Just follow me ma'am/sir."
| 550 |
FrogMarch Thu, Jan 15, 2009 2:42:03pm |
re: #511 tradewind
Here're the stats: 74% of all airline crashes, including the ' bad ' ones, are survived.
So don't be drunk on the plane, do look at the seat pocket card to see where your nearest exits are (probably not the one you boarded from), and don't pile crap around the floor near the exits. It makes getting out so much harder. Also, the biggest mistake px make in a crash is failing to unfasten their seat belts. If you're in an accident, when movement stops, unfasten the belt!
The last two major US airline crashes had no deaths - so this is sound advice. I've always thought that if a crash occurs, and it's deadly, I'd prefer to be intoxicated.
| 551 |
ceemack Thu, Jan 15, 2009 2:42:31pm |
| 552 |
Dianna Thu, Jan 15, 2009 2:42:39pm |
re: #514 jcm
At 30,000 feet you'd lose consciousness very rapidly, without a pressurized oxygen supply.
Personal nightmare: the oxygen keeps me conscious.
All. The. Way. Down.
I do not like heights. If I'm going to die, I want to do it on the ground.
Splatting never struck me as a good way to go.
| 553 |
picayune Thu, Jan 15, 2009 2:43:15pm |
Hearing loud booms in the distance on the rooster cam, followed by someone jacking with the mike.
| 554 |
jcm Thu, Jan 15, 2009 2:43:19pm |
re: #522 Ayatollah Ghilmeini
The incident is unprecedented. I cannot recall another forced landing of a commercial passenger jet on water. Never happened before.
The luggage may be a total loss but if they got everyone out of there, it has made my whole day and is the best good news bad news ever. US air is out 1 plane but what a happy ending!
There are a couple of incidents on the record.
A Boeing 377 ditched in the Pacific. Everyone rescued in that one.
Another 377 ditched in Puget sound with 10 fatalities.
In '96 a 767 was hijacked and forced to ditch.
Those are the ones I remember off the top of my head.
| 555 |
firepilot Thu, Jan 15, 2009 2:43:22pm |
And people think I'm crazy for refusing to fly.
No, just emotional and irrational. It is far more dangerous to drive than to fly, it is a statistical reality. Take emotions and feelings out of it, those just distort reality.
If you were to drive across the country, compared to flying across, you are about a thousand times more in danger from driving.
And you are missing out on visiting some great places in the world.
| 556 |
DeafDog Thu, Jan 15, 2009 2:43:26pm |
re: #526 notutopia
Terrorist? Why did no group claim responsibility?
Which leaves a training accident, which I find hard to believe.
| 557 |
Mostly sane, most of the time. Thu, Jan 15, 2009 2:43:50pm |
re: #418 FrogMarch
A payoff to the secret geese cabal should make sure all goes well.
| 558 |
jwb7605 Thu, Jan 15, 2009 2:43:54pm |
re: #552 Dianna
Personal nightmare: the oxygen keeps me conscious.
All. The. Way. Down.
I do not like heights. If I'm going to die, I want to do it on the ground.
Splatting never struck me as a good way to go.
It's not the fall that kills you, remember, it's the sudden stop. On the ground.
| 559 |
alegrias Thu, Jan 15, 2009 2:43:55pm |
re: #546 notutopia
Gazacam with audio back up. The tanks are firing.
[Link: switch434-01.castup.net...]
* * *
"Let's Roll", IDF.
| 560 |
Walter L. Newton Thu, Jan 15, 2009 2:43:56pm |
re: #541 Killgore Trout
CAIR demands Jews be tried for war crimes....
CAIR: U.S. Should Ask U.N. to Seek Gaza War Crimes TrialsNot a peep about Hamas using human shields.
Why would there be?
/
| 561 |
spirochete Thu, Jan 15, 2009 2:43:56pm |
| 562 |
Broomer Thu, Jan 15, 2009 2:44:02pm |
re: #546 notutopia
Gazacam with audio back up. The tanks are firing.
[Link: switch434-01.castup.net...]
Thanks, this works.
| 563 |
opnion Thu, Jan 15, 2009 2:44:03pm |
re: #525 Dianna
re: #497 Walter L. Newton
Just remember the main reason not to panic when the plan appears to be about to crash: You might survive, and you don't want to have looked like an idiot.So, when facing death, maintain.
Great advice. If you are a guy over age 25 , do not start sobbing that you have never ever had sex with a woman. You know cause if you do survive..............
| 564 |
jcm Thu, Jan 15, 2009 2:44:37pm |
re: #552 Dianna
Personal nightmare: the oxygen keeps me conscious.
All. The. Way. Down.
I do not like heights. If I'm going to die, I want to do it on the ground.
Splatting never struck me as a good way to go.
I hear you on that one....
| 565 |
MandyManners Thu, Jan 15, 2009 2:44:38pm |
| 566 |
really grumpy big dog Johnson Thu, Jan 15, 2009 2:44:40pm |
| 567 |
General Nimrod Bodfish Thu, Jan 15, 2009 2:44:46pm |
Great to hear that everyone survived this plane crash. As others have said, I hope the airline compensates them for their lost luggage, at least.
The late Michael Crichton wrote a novel about how airline accidents are investigated, called "Airframe". I recommend it for anyone who wants to see how such incidents are investigated.
OT... just saw a missile strike on Gazacam. Looks like the IAF/IDF are back on the hunt.
| 568 |
Eowyn2 Thu, Jan 15, 2009 2:45:12pm |
re: #529 jcm
re: #509 DeafDog
While we are talking about airline tragedies in NYC.It was a few years ago, but does anyone have a strong opinion on TWA Flight 800
I'm mixed on it. From what I've read, the incident is more consistent with a missile strike than the official explanation. I do not think it was an errant US missile, some one would have leaked by know.
At least 100 someones would have leaked by now.
| 569 |
Walter L. Newton Thu, Jan 15, 2009 2:45:33pm |
re: #552 Dianna
...I do not like heights. If I'm going to die, I want to do it on the ground.
Heights don't bother me, but the depths scare the hell out of me.
| 570 |
MandyManners Thu, Jan 15, 2009 2:45:44pm |
| 571 |
tradewind Thu, Jan 15, 2009 2:45:51pm |
re: #552 Dianna
Don't worry. In a rapid decompression, no one is going to force oxygen on you. You'll have to reach, grab, and pull on a mask. If you really want to go hypoxic, no problem.
| 572 |
Silhouette Thu, Jan 15, 2009 2:46:30pm |
| 573 |
mdaspinall Thu, Jan 15, 2009 2:46:35pm |
re: #541 Killgore Trout
Did you expect pigs could fly too lol - wink
| 574 |
Dianna Thu, Jan 15, 2009 2:46:51pm |
re: #538 jwb7605
Looking like an idiot is the least of my worries (well practiced).
Panic kills. Period.
You are quite right. Still, I believe in maintaining some shreds of dignity.
What I hate about flying is that I haven't any control. I'm at the mercy of the mechanic who had a fight with his girlfriend and forgot to tighten some critical bolt. It does nothing for my nerves.
| 575 |
Nevergiveup Thu, Jan 15, 2009 2:46:53pm |
The plane has come to rest at the bulkheads of Battery Park still afloat.
| 576 |
Sheila Broflovski Thu, Jan 15, 2009 2:46:55pm |
re: #469 MandyManners
Isn't that the sound effect when the aardvark snags an ant in B.C.?
It's also the "sound effect" on Free Republic, when a troll gets whacked.
| 578 |
BigMoo Thu, Jan 15, 2009 2:47:18pm |
Opportunity for new ad campaign..."US Air, we float"...
Seriously, kudos to the flight and cabin crew-that there appears to be no fatalities is a tribute to their professionalism.
| 579 |
Nevergiveup Thu, Jan 15, 2009 2:47:48pm |
re: #575 Nevergiveup
The plane has come to rest at the bulkheads of Battery Park still afloat.
It's being roped and secured at Battery Park and is hemmed in by a tug.
| 580 |
Dianna Thu, Jan 15, 2009 2:48:09pm |
re: #546 notutopia
Gazacam with audio back up. The tanks are firing.
[Link: switch434-01.castup.net...]
Way cool!
| 581 |
tradewind Thu, Jan 15, 2009 2:48:15pm |
re: #574 Dianna
Then try to remember that the pilots have families, generally, and if not, other fun stuff waiting for them back home. They want to get there safely just as badly as you do.
| 582 |
MandyManners Thu, Jan 15, 2009 2:48:19pm |
| 583 |
mdaspinall Thu, Jan 15, 2009 2:48:29pm |
| 584 |
General Nimrod Bodfish Thu, Jan 15, 2009 2:48:33pm |
| 585 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Jan 15, 2009 2:48:47pm |
re: #532 albusteve
actually Bar Head geese have been seen at over 33000 ft....over the Himalyas...I knew you'd want to know....
Thank you for fact checking that. Everybody I tell that story to, calls me on it.
Captain had just said, "We're descending to 21,000 feet on our approach to Den [thud] ve.... and .... uh..." then he turned off his mike. Just as started talking, I looked out the window, upon the thud, saw a white cloud of debris pass my window (very quickly, btw).
Captain thought something had shifted underneath in the hold, I sent a message forward (via the flight attendant).
Like I said, he said it looked like we had been hit by 3 bowling balls.
| 586 |
Dianna Thu, Jan 15, 2009 2:48:49pm |
re: #571 tradewind
Don't worry. In a rapid decompression, no one is going to force oxygen on you. You'll have to reach, grab, and pull on a mask. If you really want to go hypoxic, no problem.
I'll be using a mask. I see no point to surviving with brain damage.
| 587 |
spirochete Thu, Jan 15, 2009 2:48:50pm |
re: #574 Dianna
re: #538 jwb7605
You are quite right. Still, I believe in maintaining some shreds of dignity.What I hate about flying is that I haven't any control. I'm at the mercy of the mechanic who had a fight with his girlfriend and forgot to tighten some critical bolt. It does nothing for my nerves.
I look at it like surgery. You're going under and leaving your life in the hands of total strangers. I pray on every takeoff. It's the only time I do.
Excpet three days ago as my car was sliding into oncoming traffic. My daughter said she knew something was up because I used the "s" word many times.
| 588 |
Nevergiveup Thu, Jan 15, 2009 2:48:55pm |
re: #581 tradewind
Then try to remember that the pilots have families, generally, and if not, other fun stuff waiting for them back home. They want to get there safely just as badly as you do.
Or at least they have girlfriend in some city?
| 589 |
jwb7605 Thu, Jan 15, 2009 2:49:18pm |
OT
From the Drudge Report: Republicans Find Voice in Opposing Stimulus: 'Oh, My God'
And so it begins.
| 591 |
JammieWearingFool Thu, Jan 15, 2009 2:49:47pm |
A co-worker of my wife's says her husband was meeting with a number of these passengers today. Apparently many of them are Bank of America employees.
Speaking of bailouts...
| 592 |
Walter L. Newton Thu, Jan 15, 2009 2:50:28pm |
re: #585 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
What the hell are you, the on board geese police?
/
| 593 |
Eowyn2 Thu, Jan 15, 2009 2:50:33pm |
re: #526 notutopia
re: #509 DeafDog
While we are talking about airline tragedies in NYC.It was a few years ago, but does anyone have a strong opinion on TWA Flight 800
Missile
[Link: whatreallyhappened.com...]
"technically could have been" caused by a missile.
Could it also have been 'technically' caused by a lit match into the chemical toilet?
| 594 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Jan 15, 2009 2:50:35pm |
On a side note. Lizards, be advised...if I am on a plane with a bunch of people, and we are going down from 35,000 feet?
Some lucky lady get's to have sex with a fat guy!
| 596 |
LGoPs Thu, Jan 15, 2009 2:50:57pm |
Just curious, if anyone knows. Is it better to do a water landing wheels up or wheels down.
Wheels up might induce 'skipping' like a rock on a pond.....?
Wheels down might cause uncontrolled drag.......?
Just wondering.
| 597 |
Pietr Thu, Jan 15, 2009 2:51:13pm |
This looks to be the same area the IDF was working over yesterday evening (Gaza time). Must be a lot of hold outs in the area....
| 598 |
Sheila Broflovski Thu, Jan 15, 2009 2:51:35pm |
| 599 |
Dianna Thu, Jan 15, 2009 2:51:45pm |
re: #561 spirochete
I think a plane crash would qualify as dying on the ground.
Sure.
But the fall...I don't like that prospect.
| 600 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Jan 15, 2009 2:51:50pm |
| 602 |
jwb7605 Thu, Jan 15, 2009 2:51:54pm |
re: #596 LGoPs
Just curious, if anyone knows. Is it better to do a water landing wheels up or wheels down.
Wheels up might induce 'skipping' like a rock on a pond.....?
Wheels down might cause uncontrolled drag.......?
Just wondering.
Wheels up. Landing gear would force the nose down immediately.
| 604 |
BigMoo Thu, Jan 15, 2009 2:52:06pm |
re: #589 jwb7605
And so what begins ? The last few conservative holdouts circle up like Custer at the Little Big Horn, waiting for the final wave to overtake 'em ? Now THAT'S change we can all believe in...
| 606 |
firepilot Thu, Jan 15, 2009 2:52:57pm |
One of the survivors said it was 2-3 minutes into the flight before anything happened.That means that geese at the airport were not the problem.
Comprende?
No, it was not 2-3 minutes before something happened, geese were hit shortly after takeoff. It might make power for a bit before finally eating itself. The engine might still work for a bit, or it can go out all at once. It can have a lot of imbalance and vibration, and engine fire too occuring, that will lead to imminent failure. But since it is an emergency anyways, you get all the power and altitude you can while it is making power
| 608 |
Walter L. Newton Thu, Jan 15, 2009 2:53:21pm |
re: #594 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
On a side note. Lizards, be advised...if I am on a plane with a bunch of people, and we are going down from 35,000 feet?
Some lucky lady get's to have sex with a fat guy!
Whoopee.
| 609 |
jwb7605 Thu, Jan 15, 2009 2:53:35pm |
re: #604 BigMoo
And so what begins ? The last few conservative holdouts circle up like Custer at the Little Big Horn, waiting for the final wave to overtake 'em ? Now THAT'S change we can all believe in...
That's what I meant. We've avoided the veto-proof majority? Yeah. Right.
| 610 |
tradewind Thu, Jan 15, 2009 2:53:37pm |
re: #598 Alouette
Glad you said what I thought.
Any terrorist who brought down TWA 800 would have been ulululuu-ing loudly within a short time. Or at least by now.
| 611 |
MacGiolaPhadraig Thu, Jan 15, 2009 2:53:53pm |
As a wheelchair user, (that's PC for gimp) I've often wondered if the flight attendants really would come back for me after everyone else is safely out. I think I'd rather ask the nearest guy with big arms for a piggy-back.
| 612 |
General Nimrod Bodfish Thu, Jan 15, 2009 2:54:06pm |
| 613 |
DeafDog Thu, Jan 15, 2009 2:54:12pm |
re: #589 jwb7605
OT
From the Drudge Report: Republicans Find Voice in Opposing Stimulus: 'Oh, My God'And so it begins.
That's good news, too. Thanks for posting it
| 614 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Jan 15, 2009 2:54:18pm |
| 615 |
MandyManners Thu, Jan 15, 2009 2:54:27pm |
| 616 |
jwb7605 Thu, Jan 15, 2009 2:54:32pm |
re: #608 Walter L. Newton
Whoopee.
If you're on board the term "glide path" is mythical, I take it? :)
| 617 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Jan 15, 2009 2:54:38pm |
| 618 |
Kosh's Shadow Thu, Jan 15, 2009 2:54:41pm |
re: #607 buzzsawmonkey
That is exactly what would happen if you were to plummet.
It's not the fall that's the problem; it's the impact at the end.
Just don't look down and you won't fall.
Wiley Coyote
| 619 |
OldLineTexan Thu, Jan 15, 2009 2:55:37pm |
| 620 |
CyanSnowHawk Thu, Jan 15, 2009 2:55:40pm |
re: #616 jwb7605
If you're on board the term "glide path" is mythical, I take it? :)
They don't seat him over the CG for nothing.
| 621 |
Eowyn2 Thu, Jan 15, 2009 2:55:45pm |
re: #594 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
On a side note. Lizards, be advised...if I am on a plane with a bunch of people, and we are going down from 35,000 feet?
Some lucky lady get's to have sex with a fat guy!
quickie
| 622 |
Silhouette Thu, Jan 15, 2009 2:55:48pm |
BTW, at Yahoo, the headlines that initially said "Israel shells UN compound" but which were changed to "Israel says Hamas used UN building to fire rockets" has been changed back to "Israel shells UN compound."
They reported the truth for a millisecond. That's fair and balanced, right?
| 623 |
Pietr Thu, Jan 15, 2009 2:55:50pm |
re: #596 LGoPs
Just curious, if anyone knows. Is it better to do a water landing wheels up or wheels down.
Wheels up might induce 'skipping' like a rock on a pond.....?
Wheels down might cause uncontrolled drag.......?
Just wondering.
Wheels down could cause the plane to nose down and start cartwheeling, IIRC-so procedure would be to land wheels up.....
| 624 |
Bloodnok Thu, Jan 15, 2009 2:55:56pm |
| 625 |
ArchangelMichael Thu, Jan 15, 2009 2:56:01pm |
re: #574 Dianna
You are quite right. Still, I believe in maintaining some shreds of dignity.
What I hate about flying is that I haven't any control. I'm at the mercy of the mechanic who had a fight with his girlfriend and forgot to tighten some critical bolt. It does nothing for my nerves.
This is what I hate about all forms of travel other than driving myself. I have no control. I'm completely at the mercy of other drivers/pilots and their maintenance ability. I am really uncomfortable in these situations and so I wont fly unless I absolutely have to (haven't been on a plane since 1996).
I'm thinking about getting a pilot's license at some point in the next few years as well so I can fly myself if needed. This is assuming of course that Emperor Zero's economic policies do not make such things out of reach to us plebes.
| 626 |
Walter L. Newton Thu, Jan 15, 2009 2:56:04pm |
re: #611 MacGiolaPhadraig
As a wheelchair user, (that's PC for gimp) I've often wondered if the flight attendants really would come back for me after everyone else is safely out. I think I'd rather ask the nearest guy with big arms for a piggy-back.
Maybe Fat Vegetarian Bastard will help.
re: #594 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
On a side note. Lizards, be advised...if I am on a plane with a bunch of people, and we are going down from 35,000 feet? Some lucky lady get's to have sex with a fat guy!
| 627 |
really grumpy big dog Johnson Thu, Jan 15, 2009 2:56:05pm |
re: #596 LGoPs
Just curious, if anyone knows. Is it better to do a water landing wheels up or wheels down.
Wheels up might induce 'skipping' like a rock on a pond.....?
Wheels down might cause uncontrolled drag.......?
Just wondering.
I strongly suggest that you consult with this US Airways pilot. I figure if anyone knows, he does.
| 628 |
OldLineTexan Thu, Jan 15, 2009 2:56:14pm |
| 630 |
jcm Thu, Jan 15, 2009 2:56:36pm |
re: #594 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
On a side note. Lizards, be advised...if I am on a plane with a bunch of people, and we are going down from 35,000 feet?
Some lucky lady get's to have sex with a fat guy!
Guess who is sitting next to you? On your right,
and on your left.
| 631 |
albusteve Thu, Jan 15, 2009 2:56:43pm |
re: #566 really grumpy big dog Johnson
Don't you get to see geese flying where you live? Sometimes the flocks are WAY up there. Not many airliners will be at 30K feet in three minutes...
not many at all, but they are here and there in the Rio Grande valley...I grew up in Michigan around alot of water and have seen plenty of geese but not nearly at that altitude...maybe on a less well watered flyway...30k ft is astounding to me...
| 633 |
MandyManners Thu, Jan 15, 2009 2:56:49pm |
| 634 |
jwb7605 Thu, Jan 15, 2009 2:57:02pm |
re: #613 DeafDog
That's good news, too. Thanks for posting it
Do I get a down-ding for this one?
Rep. Obey not sure $825B stimulus is enough
| 635 |
tradewind Thu, Jan 15, 2009 2:57:18pm |
re: #611 MacGiolaPhadraig
In a planned emergency, you would be assigned a buddy. A fellow passenger would be responsible for helping you evacuate the aircraft, and would be re-seated to be next to you before landing. Flight attendants are trained to mentally assess people as they board and pick out likely helpers in advance.
Of course, sometimes your initial impression is way off... but not usually.
| 636 |
MandyManners Thu, Jan 15, 2009 2:57:19pm |
| 637 |
OldLineTexan Thu, Jan 15, 2009 2:57:22pm |
re: #626 Walter L. Newton
HA! I was going to suggest he just sit next to FBV, and take along a bit of rope!
| 638 |
Dianna Thu, Jan 15, 2009 2:57:36pm |
re: #607 buzzsawmonkey
That is exactly what would happen if you were to plummet.
It's not the fall that's the problem; it's the impact at the end.
Yep. A really nasty splat. Sounding something like a horrible crunch and a sledgehammer hitting a melon.
Ugh.
| 639 |
notutopia Thu, Jan 15, 2009 2:58:04pm |
re: #593 Eowyn2
"technically could have been" caused by a missile.
Could it also have been 'technically' caused by a lit match into the chemical toilet?
No. If the lit match landed into "Blue water". That solution is not flammable.
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
| 640 |
OldLineTexan Thu, Jan 15, 2009 2:58:06pm |
| 642 |
MandyManners Thu, Jan 15, 2009 2:58:13pm |
| 643 |
avanti Thu, Jan 15, 2009 2:58:39pm |
re: #107 CyanSnowHawk
No fatalities in the last two years on a major US carrier, amazing record.
| 644 |
whiterasta Thu, Jan 15, 2009 2:58:56pm |
Just joining in, here. Wow! amazing flying by the Captain and First Officer.
Does anyone know if they put the landing gear down before ditching?
Wow.
| 645 |
debutaunt Thu, Jan 15, 2009 2:59:01pm |
| 646 |
Only The Lurker Knows Thu, Jan 15, 2009 2:59:22pm |
re: #547 albusteve
Oh, there was a scew up. (from the same link)
In September 2005, Henri Perrier, the former head of the Concorde division at Aerospatiale, and Jacques Herubel, the Concorde chief engineer, came under investigation for negligence: a report stated that the company had more than 70 incidents involving Concorde tyres between 1979 and 2000, but had failed to take appropriate steps based upon these incidents.[14]
On 12 March 2008, Bernard Farret, a deputy prosecutor in Pontoise, outside Paris, asked judges to bring manslaughter charges against Continental Airlines and four individuals:
* John Taylor, a Continental mechanic
* Stanley Ford, a Continental maintenance manager
* Henri Perrier of Aerospatiale
* Claude Frantzen, a former employee of the French airline regulator.
Charges against Jacques Herubel were dropped.[15][16]
On 3 July 2008, confirmation of the trial, including Jacques Herubel, was published which is due to commence in 2009 and is expected to last two to three months.
| 647 |
albusteve Thu, Jan 15, 2009 2:59:26pm |
re: #604 BigMoo
And so what begins ? The last few conservative holdouts circle up like Custer at the Little Big Horn, waiting for the final wave to overtake 'em ? Now THAT'S change we can all believe in...
many accounts have the troopers going crazy...not defending themselves, shooting wildly and eventually shooting each other in some cases...is there a parallel here?....jus sayin
| 648 |
OldLineTexan Thu, Jan 15, 2009 2:59:30pm |
| 649 |
Nevergiveup Thu, Jan 15, 2009 2:59:42pm |
re: #639 notutopia
No. If the lit match landed into "Blue water". That solution is not flammable.
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
Well after some people get finished in that torture room that passes for a Plane toilet, I wouldn't be so sure it's not flammable? It is certainly uninhabitable.
| 650 |
Walter L. Newton Thu, Jan 15, 2009 2:59:56pm |
re: #637 OldLineTexan
HA! I was going to suggest he just sit next to FBV, and take along a bit of rope!
Three way!
| 651 |
MandyManners Thu, Jan 15, 2009 3:00:06pm |
re: #630 jcm
re: #594 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Guess who is sitting next to you? On your right,
and on your left.
ROFLMAO!
| 652 |
CIA Reject Thu, Jan 15, 2009 3:00:22pm |
re: #481 FrogMarch
That's what they say. Still, I rather die in the cab.
Some airlines (I know United for one) play the cockpit radio traffic on one of the in-flight entertainment channels. Some folks find it eases stress to listen to it so they have more information about what is going on with the flight.
If that doesn't do it for you then some degree of responsible self-medication is probably in order.
Good luck in any case!
| 653 |
tradewind Thu, Jan 15, 2009 3:00:45pm |
re: #644 whiterasta
Gear up for ditching. Gear down would nose the plane down, which you do... not... want.
| 654 |
jwb7605 Thu, Jan 15, 2009 3:01:00pm |
re: #629 BigMoo
Sad isn't it ?
Watching this nation reminds me of raising my kids when they got to be 18.
| 655 |
LGoPs Thu, Jan 15, 2009 3:01:01pm |
re: #623 Pietr
re: #596 LGoPs
Wheels down could cause the plane to nose down and start cartwheeling, IIRC-so procedure would be to land wheels up.....
Actaully I recall the video of the jumbo jet that was hijacked and made a forced water landing off of Mozambique or somewhere nearby. That was a horrific video because the plane did cartwheel. IIRC it wasn't able to make a controlled landing because the hijackers literally ran it out of fuel........
| 656 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Jan 15, 2009 3:01:43pm |
I am absolutely overjoyed that we are able to have some fun with what could have been a horrible, horrible tragedy, because of the talent and training of this magnificent pilot.
Way to go Captain! Civilian Salute here!
| 658 |
Broomer Thu, Jan 15, 2009 3:02:37pm |
Watching the gazacam, didn't seem to have much "fireworks" as I saw last night.
| 659 |
LGoPs Thu, Jan 15, 2009 3:02:38pm |
| 660 |
DeafDog Thu, Jan 15, 2009 3:02:39pm |
re: #634 jwb7605
No down dings unless you post the video of Obamanitwit saying he wants to increase taxes on investment to be fair.
| 661 |
BigMoo Thu, Jan 15, 2009 3:02:49pm |
re: #647 albusteve
Hmmm, One could suggest the Repubs have been doing it since '94...
| 662 |
CyanSnowHawk Thu, Jan 15, 2009 3:02:56pm |
re: #646 Bubblehead II
Oh, there was a scew up. (from the same link)
In September 2005, Henri Perrier, the former head of the Concorde division at Aerospatiale, and Jacques Herubel, the Concorde chief engineer, came under investigation for negligence: a report stated that the company had more than 70 incidents involving Concorde tyres between 1979 and 2000, but had failed to take appropriate steps based upon these incidents.[14]
On 12 March 2008, Bernard Farret, a deputy prosecutor in Pontoise, outside Paris, asked judges to bring manslaughter charges against Continental Airlines and four individuals:
* John Taylor, a Continental mechanic
* Stanley Ford, a Continental maintenance manager
* Henri Perrier of Aerospatiale
* Claude Frantzen, a former employee of the French airline regulator.Charges against Jacques Herubel were dropped.[15][16]
On 3 July 2008, confirmation of the trial, including Jacques Herubel, was published which is due to commence in 2009 and is expected to last two to three months.
IIRC, there was something about a design change that needed to be done to prevent the tire explosion from doing exactly what it did. Failing to report the previous problems with the tires kept that fix from having the urgency needed. Or it would have grounded the planes long before the final accident.
| 663 |
whiterasta Thu, Jan 15, 2009 3:03:06pm |
re: #655 LGoPs
Yes, his gear was up.
The engine pods caught the water and ripped the wings off.....B767 if I remember.....
| 664 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Jan 15, 2009 3:03:09pm |
re: #652 CIA Reject
Some folks find it eases stress to listen to it so they have more information about what is going on with the flight.
Unless you hear the Captain say something like, "Hey! What's that mountain goat doing way up here in the clouds?"
(From "The Far Side")
| 665 |
Walter L. Newton Thu, Jan 15, 2009 3:03:11pm |
re: #656 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I am absolutely overjoyed that we are able to have some fun with what could have been a horrible, horrible tragedy, because of the talent and training of this magnificent pilot.
Way to go Captain! Civilian Salute here!
You've just been waiting for a outlet to tell us about you auto-erotic-avionic fantasies.
| 666 |
pingjockey Thu, Jan 15, 2009 3:03:26pm |
Damn outstanding job by the flight crew. Two engines hanging off the wings and the pilot and copilot still got it down in one piece.
| 667 |
Steve Thu, Jan 15, 2009 3:03:36pm |
I am very happy that everyone survived.
but ..... what the heck was that airplane doing in a bird migratory path. We need a gov't agency to oversee this. Good job for prez-elec to look into.
ducks and runs
| 668 |
BigMoo Thu, Jan 15, 2009 3:04:18pm |
re: #654 jwb7605
Only difference was your kids (and mine) didn't have the keys to the treasury !
And there was a consequence for bad decisions...
| 669 |
Silhouette Thu, Jan 15, 2009 3:04:19pm |
In contrast to heroic airline pilots,
BALTIMORE – A city housing official pleaded guilty Thursday to stealing gift cards meant for needy children
| 670 |
albusteve Thu, Jan 15, 2009 3:04:52pm |
re: #665 Walter L. Newton
You've just been waiting for a outlet to tell us about you auto-erotic-avionic fantasies.
get a room you two....
| 671 |
Killian Bundy Thu, Jan 15, 2009 3:04:55pm |
re: #506 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Hit some canadian geese (I guess) at 21,000 feet.
No way.
/geese don't fly remotely close to 21K feet in altitude
| 672 |
pingjockey Thu, Jan 15, 2009 3:04:57pm |
re: #663 whiterasta
Yep, there was a video. Port wingtip bit the water and the plane catwheeled.
| 673 |
tradewind Thu, Jan 15, 2009 3:05:00pm |
re: #655 LGoPs
Ditching was always the freakiest elephant in the room to me the whole time I flew, because the scenario was never very rosy . Even with the gear up and everything done just right, ditching into an ocean is totally unpredictable because of waves, etc, and can break up a plane like hitting concrete.
Also, the shark repellant in the raft contents was not reassuring.
This flight (USAir) was truly blessed... everything that could go wrong didn't.
Well, if you don't count the damn birds.
| 675 |
CIA Reject Thu, Jan 15, 2009 3:05:06pm |
re: #664 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Unless you hear the Captain say something like, "Hey! What's that mountain goat doing way up here in the clouds?"
(From "The Far Side")
That, and the one with the bear in the cross-hairs are my 2 favorite Far Side cartoons
| 676 |
Walter L. Newton Thu, Jan 15, 2009 3:05:24pm |
Breaking news at CNN
"New York mayor, governor speak on crash landing"
Can the governor see it?
| 677 |
Kragar Thu, Jan 15, 2009 3:05:44pm |
| 678 |
albusteve Thu, Jan 15, 2009 3:05:48pm |
re: #671 Killian Bundy
No way.
/geese don't fly remotely close to 21K feet in altitude
far higher than that...over 33000ft
| 680 |
Bloodnok Thu, Jan 15, 2009 3:06:14pm |
re: #676 Walter L. Newton
Breaking news at CNN
"New York mayor, governor speak on crash landing"
Can the governor see it?
And can the mayor tax it?
| 681 |
tradewind Thu, Jan 15, 2009 3:06:53pm |
re: #667 Steve
You mean ' what was that airport doing in a bird migratory path'.
Just an aside, I do hate LaGarbage.
| 682 |
pingjockey Thu, Jan 15, 2009 3:06:53pm |
re: #671 Killian Bundy
IIRC, there was a segment on Planet Earth and some kinda nutbar bird migrates over the Himilayas.
| 683 |
Eowyn2 Thu, Jan 15, 2009 3:07:01pm |
re: #541 Killgore Trout
CAIR demands Jews be tried for war crimes....
CAIR: U.S. Should Ask U.N. to Seek Gaza War Crimes TrialsNot a peep about Hamas using human shields.
Using UN buildings to bomb the hell out of your enemies is not a war crime. Using UN monies to buy weapons instead of food is not a war crime. Brainwashing 10 year olds into blowing themselves up is not a war crime. Phakistinians cannot commit war crimes. Islamists cannot commit war crimes. I think it is somewhere in the UN charter.
| 684 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Jan 15, 2009 3:07:15pm |
| 685 |
BigMoo Thu, Jan 15, 2009 3:07:16pm |
re: #674 whiterasta
'Shame' is a word so rarely used these days...
| 686 |
picayune Thu, Jan 15, 2009 3:07:27pm |
During live Presser by NYC Mayor Bloomberg, NY Gov. Patterson commends US Airways pilots and NY rescuers. (no mention of a Kennedy)
| 687 |
notutopia Thu, Jan 15, 2009 3:07:57pm |
re: #598 Alouette
That is a nutbag troofer site.
Alouette
MandyManners
The site may be.
However, this is a published FOX news article from AP.
| 688 |
Silhouette Thu, Jan 15, 2009 3:07:59pm |
re: #677 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Iran: Rocket launches from Lebanon targeting Israel were Israeli ploy
Those crafty devils.
| 689 |
Killian Bundy Thu, Jan 15, 2009 3:08:01pm |
re: #532 albusteve
actually Bar Head geese have been seen at over 33000 ft....over the Himalyas...I knew you'd want to know....
/were they wearing oxygen masks?
| 690 |
Kragar Thu, Jan 15, 2009 3:08:09pm |
| 691 |
tradewind Thu, Jan 15, 2009 3:08:16pm |
re: #684 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Wii are family
I got all the gift cards with me....
| 692 |
LGoPs Thu, Jan 15, 2009 3:08:29pm |
| 693 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Jan 15, 2009 3:08:42pm |
re: #671 Killian Bundy
I wouldn't have thought so either. Mebbe they were parakeets. Just what happened. That's all.
| 694 |
Dianna Thu, Jan 15, 2009 3:08:58pm |
re: #675 CIA Reject
That, and the one with the bear in the cross-hairs are my 2 favorite Far Side cartoons
My Male has the tee with one deer speaking to another, which has a bulls-eye on his chest:
"Bummer of a birth-mark, Hal."
| 695 |
Eowyn2 Thu, Jan 15, 2009 3:09:02pm |
re: #622 Silhouette
BTW, at Yahoo, the headlines that initially said "Israel shells UN compound" but which were changed to "Israel says Hamas used UN building to fire rockets" has been changed back to "Israel shells UN compound."
They reported the truth for a millisecond. That's fair and balanced, right?
maybe they have a couple of editors like the good fairies in "sleeping beauty"
Make it blue
make it pink
blue
pink
blue
pink
blue
| 696 |
Nevergiveup Thu, Jan 15, 2009 3:09:12pm |
re: #686 picayune
During live Presser by NYC Mayor Bloomberg, NY Gov. Patterson commends US Airways pilots and NY rescuers. (no mention of a Kennedy)
And all the rescuers from NJ? Yeah, you know the State the Saprano's are from.
| 697 |
jaunte Thu, Jan 15, 2009 3:09:26pm |
High-flying geese:
The expedition to Mt. Everest in 1952 found skeletons of a Northern Pintail and a Black-tailed Godwit at 16,400 feet on Khumbu Glacier. Bar-headed Geese have been observed flying over the highest peaks (29,000+ feet) even though a 10,000-foot pass was nearby. Probably at least 30 species regularly cross these high passes.
[Link: www.npwrc.usgs.gov...]
| 698 |
whiterasta Thu, Jan 15, 2009 3:09:29pm |
The bar headed goose has ben seen at 28,000 feet. Over the Himalayas...
[Link: www.houghtonmifflinbooks.com...]
| 699 |
albusteve Thu, Jan 15, 2009 3:09:32pm |
re: #689 Killian Bundy
/were they wearing oxygen masks?
I dont get that part...must be some amazing physiology in there
| 700 |
MandyManners Thu, Jan 15, 2009 3:09:49pm |
re: #669 Silhouette
In contrast to heroic airline pilots,
BALTIMORE – A city housing official pleaded guilty Thursday to stealing gift cards meant for needy children
Fucking Scrooge.
| 701 |
Bloodnok Thu, Jan 15, 2009 3:09:59pm |
Is that the high rise that was "supposed to be" on fire from this morning (currently on G-cam)?
| 702 |
jwb7605 Thu, Jan 15, 2009 3:10:16pm |
re: #660 DeafDog
No down dings unless you post the video of Obamanitwit saying he wants to increase taxes on investment to be fair.
I'll get right on that!
/
| 703 |
Only The Lurker Knows Thu, Jan 15, 2009 3:10:20pm |
re: #662 CyanSnowHawk
I believe they were supposed to reinforce the skin on the wing to prevent it from being torn open when a tire blew out, but as you point out, didn't.
As a side note, listening to gazacam. Is Achmed afraid to be in the same room as the camera? I keep hearing a squeaky door hinge.
| 704 |
nyc redneck Thu, Jan 15, 2009 3:10:29pm |
i love america. look how people pull together to help each other.
little tug boats on the scene immediately help keep the plane afloat.
while everyone gets out. and rescue crews helping to get passengers to dry land, quickly. that's what we do.
and for other people in other countries too. we are often the first on the scene w/ food and medicine and shelter for those in need. even tho, often it is taken thanklessly.
| 705 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Jan 15, 2009 3:10:30pm |
| 706 |
OldLineTexan Thu, Jan 15, 2009 3:10:38pm |
Article on record-setting altitudes by birds.
You have to read through the wholw thing. I found several cites with no back-up that migratory geese fly part of the trip at 20,000 ft.
| 708 |
LGoPs Thu, Jan 15, 2009 3:11:02pm |
| 710 |
Silhouette Thu, Jan 15, 2009 3:11:17pm |
re: #705 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
C'mon. He learned it from the Mayor.
Similiar cards were found at the mayor's house, the article says.
| 712 |
Eowyn2 Thu, Jan 15, 2009 3:11:27pm |
re: #669 Silhouette
In contrast to heroic airline pilots,
BALTIMORE – A city housing official pleaded guilty Thursday to stealing gift cards meant for needy children
"There can be no excuse for public servants stealing from the very people who they are supposed to be serving," State Prosecutor Robert Rohrbaugh said
that made me laugh.
| 713 |
Dianna Thu, Jan 15, 2009 3:11:29pm |
re: #699 albusteve
I dont get that part...must be some amazing physiology in there
Well, it's not like they'd notice brain damage.
There's a reason that "goose" and "silly" are so frequently associated.
| 714 |
Steve Thu, Jan 15, 2009 3:11:31pm |
re: #681 tradewind
You mean ' what was that airport doing in a bird migratory path'.
Just an aside, I do hate LaGarbage.
my fault. you are correct.
| 715 |
albusteve Thu, Jan 15, 2009 3:11:37pm |
re: #698 whiterasta
The bar headed goose has ben seen at 28,000 feet. Over the Himalayas...
[Link: www.houghtonmifflinbooks.com...]
Geestronauts!....
| 717 |
Kragar Thu, Jan 15, 2009 3:12:11pm |
re: #708 LGoPs
re: #694 Dianna
re: #675 CIA Reject
My Male has the tee with one deer speaking to another, which has a bulls-eye on his chest:"Bummer of a birth-mark, Hal."
Or the one with 2 bears, one of whom has a huge belly. The other bear says "that's a heck of a deer gut you have".........
The 2 deers where one has his head thru a fake wall mount while the other one says, "Hold on, I think I hear mom coming now"
| 718 |
jcm Thu, Jan 15, 2009 3:12:15pm |
re: #644 whiterasta
Just joining in, here. Wow! amazing flying by the Captain and First Officer.
Does anyone know if they put the landing gear down before ditching?
Wow.
Landing gear stays up for ditching.
| 719 |
Silhouette Thu, Jan 15, 2009 3:13:01pm |
re: #698 whiterasta
The bar headed goose has ben seen at 28,000 feet. Over the Himalayas...
I don't think these were bar headed.
I think they were be headed.
| 720 |
CIA Reject Thu, Jan 15, 2009 3:13:01pm |
| 721 |
Buck Thu, Jan 15, 2009 3:13:52pm |
re: #154 Throbert McGee
Come to think of it, the "monster" reminds me of Jeff Goldblum et al. in Earth Girls Are Easy.
Now that was a great movie!
| 722 |
whiterasta Thu, Jan 15, 2009 3:14:07pm |
re: #715 albusteve
There have been several climbers who have scaled Everest without oxygen.
But geese? Holy cow, I had no idea...
| 723 |
picayune Thu, Jan 15, 2009 3:14:25pm |
re: #621 Eowyn2
Join the mile high club, while you still can!
| 724 |
Dianna Thu, Jan 15, 2009 3:14:47pm |
re: #720 CIA Reject
The Far Side has some real classics.
My brother and I were home over Christmas one year, and were cracking up over the one with the cheetah putting on its running shoes.
Our mom didn't get it.
Perfect illustration of why humor is so hard to explain.
| 725 |
bulwrk Thu, Jan 15, 2009 3:15:22pm |
I don't see why geese heading to a bar need too fly so high.
| 726 |
kcladderman Thu, Jan 15, 2009 3:15:36pm |
re: #722 whiterasta
There have been several climbers who have scaled Everest without oxygen.
But geese? Holy cow, I had no idea...
Why would a goose climb MT Everest?
/
| 727 |
SWPaul Thu, Jan 15, 2009 3:15:50pm |
re: #594 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
And ladies, let me remind you, you can have sex with him if a plane is not going down.
| 728 |
Silhouette Thu, Jan 15, 2009 3:16:11pm |
re: #725 bulwrk
I don't see why geese heading to a bar need too fly so high.
If they'd been headed home from the bar, I'd understand why they were high.
| 729 |
Walter L. Newton Thu, Jan 15, 2009 3:16:14pm |
re: #722 whiterasta
There have been several climbers who have scaled Everest without oxygen.
But geese? Holy cow, I had no idea...
Why would a holy cow climb Everest?
| 731 |
Steve Thu, Jan 15, 2009 3:16:27pm |
re: #722 whiterasta
There have been several climbers who have scaled Everest without oxygen.
But geese? Holy cow, I had no idea...
No Oxygen? What did they breath?
| 732 |
jorline Thu, Jan 15, 2009 3:16:30pm |
re: #677 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Iran: Rocket launches from Lebanon targeting Israel were Israeli ploy
Of course they did...don't you remember the Juice hijacked the planes on 9/11?
| 734 |
Nevergiveup Thu, Jan 15, 2009 3:17:19pm |
| 735 |
jwb7605 Thu, Jan 15, 2009 3:17:24pm |
re: #729 Walter L. Newton
Why would a holy cow climb Everest?
To see the geese walking up the other side.
| 736 |
LGoPs Thu, Jan 15, 2009 3:17:26pm |
re: #724 Dianna
re: #720 CIA Reject
The Far Side has some real classics.
My brother and I were home over Christmas one year, and were cracking up over the one with the cheetah putting on its running shoes.
Our mom didn't get it.
Perfect illustration of why humor is so hard to explain.
When I was serving in Germany, Far Side used to come in the daily Stars and Stripes. We used to fight each other over who'd get the paper first to read it. Same with Calvin and Hobbes...loved 'em both.
| 737 |
Bloodnok Thu, Jan 15, 2009 3:17:28pm |
| 738 |
Silhouette Thu, Jan 15, 2009 3:17:36pm |
| 740 |
Nevergiveup Thu, Jan 15, 2009 3:17:49pm |
| 742 |
LGoPs Thu, Jan 15, 2009 3:18:20pm |
| 743 |
Archimedes Thu, Jan 15, 2009 3:18:47pm |
re: #27 zombie
Breaking:
Surviving passenger William Shatner reports seeing "a MONSTER on the wing!"
He's crazy!
| 744 |
CIA Reject Thu, Jan 15, 2009 3:18:54pm |
re: #724 Dianna
The Far Side has some real classics.
My brother and I were home over Christmas one year, and were cracking up over the one with the cheetah putting on its running shoes.
Our mom didn't get it.
Perfect illustration of why humor is so hard to explain.
Ain't that the truth!
/If I have to explain it you won't understand it!
| 745 |
Sloppy Thu, Jan 15, 2009 3:19:04pm |
I'm with Mandy. I've sworn to myself I'll never fly again, and at my advanced age I think I can keep that pledge.
| 746 |
Killian Bundy Thu, Jan 15, 2009 3:19:25pm |
On daily feeding flights, geese might fly between 100 to 1,000 feet between feeding areas. Airplane pilots have reported seeing Canada geese at an altitude of 9,000 feet.
| 747 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Jan 15, 2009 3:20:00pm |
| 749 |
Nevergiveup Thu, Jan 15, 2009 3:20:43pm |
Look at this picture of the Ferry for NY Waterways pulling right up minutes after the water landing.
[Link: www.timesonline.co.uk...]
| 750 |
pingjockey Thu, Jan 15, 2009 3:20:52pm |
re: #742 LGoPs
To get away from the pervert....No, wait. That's why the chicken crossed the road.
| 751 |
Nevergiveup Thu, Jan 15, 2009 3:20:57pm |
| 752 |
Empire1 Thu, Jan 15, 2009 3:21:13pm |
re: #602 jwb7605
Wheels up. Landing gear would force the nose down immediately.
Also aids in flotation, with the gear doors closed.
| 753 |
General Nimrod Bodfish Thu, Jan 15, 2009 3:22:01pm |
What kind of munitions is Israel using on the Gazacam? Looks like some kind of airburst rounds, but I'm a complete dunce on military munitions. Can some of the more knowledgeable Lizards clue this idiot in? Thanks :)
| 754 |
LGoPs Thu, Jan 15, 2009 3:22:12pm |
| 756 |
really grumpy big dog Johnson Thu, Jan 15, 2009 3:22:26pm |
A number of people, mostly sherpas, have summitted Everest at over 29 thousand feet without oxygen. There is intense physical effort involved in climbing that mountain.
Migrating geese tend to fly at great heights because of reduced air resistance and favorable jet stream winds. I would think that 25 thousand feet would be relatively trivial to any number of species of them, especially considering their superb adaptations to extreme cold weather.
| 757 |
David IV of Georgia Thu, Jan 15, 2009 3:22:40pm |
re: #488 Dianna
Yeah. It's probably faster.
Falling 30,000 feet just leaves me with waaaaay too much time to think.
Actually you wouldn't think long at all. Traveling at 400mph in -80°F air that is at least 10 times thiner than air at sea level. I doubt you could stay conscious more than a second or two.
| 758 |
Bloodnok Thu, Jan 15, 2009 3:23:22pm |
re: #753 commadore183
What kind of munitions is Israel using on the Gazacam? Looks like some kind of airburst rounds, but I'm a complete dunce on military munitions. Can some of the more knowledgeable Lizards clue this idiot in? Thanks :)
Reeeeeeeender! You're needed on set!
| 759 |
CIA Reject Thu, Jan 15, 2009 3:24:00pm |
re: #749 Nevergiveup
Look at this picture of the Ferry for NY Waterways pulling right up minutes after the water landing.
[Link: www.timesonline.co.uk...]
Welcome to New York- now get in the f***ing boat!
As a native New Yorker would like to say that the reputation New Yorkers have for being unfriendly is just not true. Tough yes, but not unfriendly or uncaring.
If you're going to be involved in a disaster there is no better place to do it than in New York.
| 760 |
Dianna Thu, Jan 15, 2009 3:24:06pm |
re: #757 David IV of Georgia
Actually you wouldn't think long at all. Traveling at 400mph in -80°F air that is at least 10 times thiner than air at sea level. I doubt you could stay conscious more than a second or two.
Somehow, this fails to offer me much comfort.
Oh, well.
Anyway, I'm out. Errands to run on the way home.
I will try not to think about falling from 30,000 feet.
| 761 |
Silhouette Thu, Jan 15, 2009 3:24:36pm |
re: #749 Nevergiveup
And from that, we have a name!
"The pilot, named as Captain C B "Sully" Sullenburger, reported a multiple bird strike almost immediately after take-off."
| 763 |
Killian Bundy Thu, Jan 15, 2009 3:25:15pm |
re: #713 Dianna
Well, it's not like they'd notice brain damage.
There's a reason that "goose" and "silly" are so frequently associated.
They are air breathers, right?
While the percentage of oxygen in the atmosphere remains fairly constant up to 70,000 feet, the available amount of oxygen to sustain mental and physical alertness decreases above 10,000 feet.
. . .
The Time of Useful Consciousness is a function of altitude. At 20,000 feet, an average individual will have 5 to 12 minutes. At 25,000 feet, this time is reduced to 3 to 5 minutes. At 30,000 feet only 1 to 2 minutes are available. By 40,000 feet, the average individual will have only 9 to 15 seconds (basically this represents the oxygen that was in their system before the exposure to 40,000 feet).
| 764 |
Bloodnok Thu, Jan 15, 2009 3:25:59pm |
re: #761 Silhouette
And from that, we have a name!
"The pilot, named as Captain C B "Sully" Sullenburger, reported a multiple bird strike almost immediately after take-off."
We had a multiple bird strike in the last thread when FBV said Hi to Sharm.
| 765 |
LGoPs Thu, Jan 15, 2009 3:26:41pm |
| 766 |
mdaspinall Thu, Jan 15, 2009 3:26:51pm |
| 767 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Jan 15, 2009 3:27:52pm |
re: #763 Killian Bundy
Killian? Do you think I am lying about this story? If so, I'm sorry that you feel that way about me.
My story is told precisely, with one exception. I am not sure they were Canadian Geese. Just saw the white debris pass my window after the thud.
I have no reason to lie about this. I won't defend myself any further about it.
| 768 |
mdaspinall Thu, Jan 15, 2009 3:28:20pm |
| 769 |
Silhouette Thu, Jan 15, 2009 3:29:03pm |
re: #761 Silhouette
re: #749 Nevergiveup
And from that, we have a name!
"The pilot, named as Captain C B "Sully" Sullenburger, reported a multiple bird strike almost immediately after take-off."
I'll bet this is him as a young man.
| 770 |
avanti Thu, Jan 15, 2009 3:30:05pm |
re: #759 CIA Reject
Welcome to New York- now get in the f***ing boat!
As a native New Yorker would like to say that the reputation New Yorkers have for being unfriendly is just not true. Tough yes, but not unfriendly or uncaring.
If you're going to be involved in a disaster there is no better place to do it than in New York.
9-11 showed that to the nation.
| 771 |
mdaspinall Thu, Jan 15, 2009 3:30:15pm |
re: #753 commadore183
What kind of munitions is Israel using on the Gazacam? Looks like some kind of airburst rounds, but I'm a complete dunce on military munitions. Can some of the more knowledgeable Lizards clue this idiot in? Thanks :)
the answer is 'not enough' my friend !
| 772 |
Archimedes Thu, Jan 15, 2009 3:30:18pm |
re: #745 Sloppy
I'm with Mandy. I've sworn to myself I'll never fly again, and at my advanced age I think I can keep that pledge.
Wayne Gretzky was afraid of flying. Heard he had to sit up front with the pilots.
| 773 |
Killian Bundy Thu, Jan 15, 2009 3:30:34pm |
re: #767 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Do you think I am lying about this story?
Did I say that?
/it'd just be very unlikely that a bird strike would occur at 20K feet
| 774 |
Bloodnok Thu, Jan 15, 2009 3:30:45pm |
| 775 |
Silhouette Thu, Jan 15, 2009 3:30:54pm |
re: #769 Silhouette
I was wrong. The pic is a Curt, and he is Chesley.
| 776 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Jan 15, 2009 3:31:25pm |
re: #773 Killian Bundy
Did I say that?
/it'd just be very unlikely that a bird strike would occur at 20K feet
Okay.
| 777 |
David IV of Georgia Thu, Jan 15, 2009 3:31:28pm |
re: #623 Pietr
Wheels down could cause the plane to nose down and start cartwheeling, IIRC-so procedure would be to land wheels up.....
DON'T land on water with wheels down:
| 778 |
Nevergiveup Thu, Jan 15, 2009 3:31:33pm |
General Assembly President Miguel d'Escoto Brockmann opened an emergency meeting of the 192-nation world body on"illegal Israeli actions " in Gaza
[Link: www.jpost.com...]
So it's about "illegal Israeli actions" ----Yeah that oughta be fair?
| 779 |
DisturbedEma Thu, Jan 15, 2009 3:31:57pm |
Signing off. . .maybe for a long while. . .at my appointment this afternoon. . .Twin A was discovered to be in ready position, and my "safety" was about 40% "off"
Gearing up. . .babies may be on the move. . .
| 780 |
Bloodnok Thu, Jan 15, 2009 3:31:59pm |
| 781 |
Eowyn2 Thu, Jan 15, 2009 3:32:04pm |
re: #708 LGoPs
re: #694 Dianna
re: #675 CIA Reject
My Male has the tee with one deer speaking to another, which has a bulls-eye on his chest:"Bummer of a birth-mark, Hal."
Or the one with 2 bears, one of whom has a huge belly. The other bear says "that's a heck of a deer gut you have".........
or the one of the two bears going through a hiker's back pack with the mangled hiker on the ground
"wait wait, there they are, granola bars"
| 782 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Jan 15, 2009 3:32:54pm |
re: #779 DisturbedEma
Signing off. . .maybe for a long while. . .at my appointment this afternoon. . .Twin A was discovered to be in ready position, and my "safety" was about 40% "off"
Gearing up. . .babies may be on the move. . .
CONGRATS IN ADVANCE!
| 783 |
whiterasta Thu, Jan 15, 2009 3:33:03pm |
re: #761 Silhouette
I'll bet the man is a USAF veteran.... With a name like that..
| 784 |
Bloodnok Thu, Jan 15, 2009 3:33:10pm |
| 785 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Jan 15, 2009 3:33:46pm |
re: #779 DisturbedEma
Twins? No wonder you're disturbed.
| 786 |
LGoPs Thu, Jan 15, 2009 3:34:13pm |
re: #779 DisturbedEma
Signing off. . .maybe for a long while. . .at my appointment this afternoon. . .Twin A was discovered to be in ready position, and my "safety" was about 40% "off"
Gearing up. . .babies may be on the move. . .
Good luck and best wishes......
| 787 |
jcm Thu, Jan 15, 2009 3:34:36pm |
re: #753 commadore183
What kind of munitions is Israel using on the Gazacam? Looks like some kind of airburst rounds, but I'm a complete dunce on military munitions. Can some of the more knowledgeable Lizards clue this idiot in? Thanks :)
The ones with the smoky trails and bright points?
White Phosphorus.
| 788 |
picayune Thu, Jan 15, 2009 3:34:39pm |
re: #724 Dianna
Far Side is great, silly stuff.
Especially the one with the dog standing, hiding behind the open laundry room door, with the cat entering the room, following a trail of cat food that leads into the dryer, and the thought balloon from the dog says, "Please, Oh Please!"
Another classic.... PETA be damned, they would not know a humor check if it bit them on the leg.
| 789 |
DisturbedEma Thu, Jan 15, 2009 3:34:44pm |
re: #782 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
re: #779 DisturbedEma
CONGRATS IN ADVANCE!
Thanks, we know they are fraternal twins. . .and we have asked not to know the answer to the question "are they boys, girls or one of each"
Great wonderful surprises are so very rare, we did not want to cheat ourselves out of this one. . .
| 790 |
Silhouette Thu, Jan 15, 2009 3:35:34pm |
re: #779 DisturbedEma
Signing off. . .maybe for a long while. . .at my appointment this afternoon. . .Twin A was discovered to be in ready position, and my "safety" was about 40% "off"
Gearing up. . .babies may be on the move. . .
What, you can't live blog during the birth?
| 791 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Jan 15, 2009 3:35:36pm |
re: #781 Eowyn2
or the one of the two bears going through a hiker's back pack with the mangled hiker on the ground
"wait wait, there they are, granola bars"
My favorite of all time. Vultures (obviously surrounding the remains of a cowboy) one is wearing the cowboy hat and vest. It says, "Looky everybody! I'm a cowboy. Howdy! Howdy! Howdy!"
| 793 |
Empire1 Thu, Jan 15, 2009 3:35:42pm |
re: #779 DisturbedEma
Signing off. . .maybe for a long while. . .at my appointment this afternoon. . .Twin A was discovered to be in ready position, and my "safety" was about 40% "off"
Gearing up. . .babies may be on the move. . .
Good luck and best wishes!
| 794 |
lobo91 Thu, Jan 15, 2009 3:35:50pm |
re: #753 commadore183
What kind of munitions is Israel using on the Gazacam? Looks like some kind of airburst rounds, but I'm a complete dunce on military munitions. Can some of the more knowledgeable Lizards clue this idiot in? Thanks :)
I might be able to answer if I could see what you're looking at, but streaming video is blocked by the server here.
| 795 |
little blessing Thu, Jan 15, 2009 3:35:51pm |
re: #779 DisturbedEma
All the very best Ema! Let us know when there is good news.
| 796 |
whiterasta Thu, Jan 15, 2009 3:36:01pm |
re: #788 picayune
My favorite Far Side was the 2 dogs playing tether cat with a cat tied by it's tail to a pole......
| 797 |
DisturbedEma Thu, Jan 15, 2009 3:36:17pm |
| 798 |
General Nimrod Bodfish Thu, Jan 15, 2009 3:36:40pm |
re: #787 jcm
The ones with the smoky trails and bright points?
White Phosphorus.
Ah, thanks, I thought that might be what it was, just wasn't sure. I can remember that white phosphorus row several years back. What a crapstorm that was.
| 799 |
mdaspinall Thu, Jan 15, 2009 3:36:55pm |
| 800 |
DisturbedEma Thu, Jan 15, 2009 3:36:57pm |
| 801 |
CIA Reject Thu, Jan 15, 2009 3:37:44pm |
re: #792 So?
There is a God. This is a miracle.
More than a few guardian angels earned their pay today...
| 802 |
mdaspinall Thu, Jan 15, 2009 3:37:51pm |
| 803 |
jcm Thu, Jan 15, 2009 3:37:58pm |
re: #798 commadore183
Ah, thanks, I thought that might be what it was, just wasn't sure. I can remember that white phosphorus row several years back. What a crapstorm that was.
| 804 |
jwb7605 Thu, Jan 15, 2009 3:38:46pm |
re: #792 So?
There is a God. This is a miracle.
Perfect comment for this article. Might even tweak Charles' interest.
| 805 |
So? Thu, Jan 15, 2009 3:40:01pm |
OT
Has anyone heard about this?
Last update - 01:58 13/01/2009
Israel bans Arab parties from running in upcoming elections
[Link: www.haaretz.com...]
The peacniks are already using this as propaganda ammo. How badly arabs are treated in Israel, etc. Do you think this was a wise decision given the frenzy of the so-called peace movement/Jew hate fest. Like to hear your thoughts.
| 806 |
mdaspinall Thu, Jan 15, 2009 3:40:10pm |
| 807 |
DisturbedEma Thu, Jan 15, 2009 3:40:35pm |
re: #804 jwb7605
re: #792 So?
Perfect comment for this article. Might even tweak Charles' interest.
Why? Did the evolutionists save the plane. . ?
//ducks as things get thrown at me a woman preggers with twins about to pop
| 808 |
LGoPs Thu, Jan 15, 2009 3:41:02pm |
re: #796 whiterasta
re: #788 picayune
My favorite Far Side was the 2 dogs playing tether cat with a cat tied by it's tail to a pole......
My favorite was one with two brothers tossing a teddy bear. In the background is a grizzly coming out of the trees and the caption said " and the Anderson twins were never seen again"......
| 809 |
mdaspinall Thu, Jan 15, 2009 3:42:27pm |
re: #805 So?
OT
Has anyone heard about this?
Last update - 01:58 13/01/2009
Israel bans Arab parties from running in upcoming elections
[Link: www.haaretz.com...]
The peacniks are already using this as propaganda ammo. How badly arabs are treated in Israel, etc. Do you think this was a wise decision given the frenzy of the so-called peace movement/Jew hate fest. Like to hear your thoughts.
Only those arab parties committed to the destruction of Israel apparently..And it's against the founding priciples of the State of Israel.
| 810 |
CIA Reject Thu, Jan 15, 2009 3:42:41pm |
Pilot was an F-4 jockey in the USAF.
No wonder everything came out OK.
| 812 |
right_in_canada Thu, Jan 15, 2009 3:44:48pm |
Passengers to file lawsuits in..
5....
4.....
3......
2....
1.....
| 814 |
So? Thu, Jan 15, 2009 3:46:37pm |
re: #809 mdaspinall
Only those arab parties committed to the destruction of Israel apparently..And it's against the founding priciples of the State of Israel.
Could you expand...more information please or a link.
| 815 |
Mostly sane, most of the time. Thu, Jan 15, 2009 3:47:39pm |
re: #779 DisturbedEma
Signing off. . .maybe for a long while. . .at my appointment this afternoon. . .Twin A was discovered to be in ready position, and my "safety" was about 40% "off"
Gearing up. . .babies may be on the move. . .
Good luck!
| 816 |
jcm Thu, Jan 15, 2009 3:48:43pm |
re: #812 right_in_canada
Passengers to file lawsuits in..
5....
4.....
3......
2....
1.....
I got my feet wet, and it was cold! Mental anguish!
//
Personally I'd shake the pilots hands and thank them, then ask if there was room on the next flight.
| 817 |
mdaspinall Thu, Jan 15, 2009 3:48:44pm |
The Geese Martyr's Brigade Commander has issued a statement saying that they are intact, none of their infrastructure has been harmed. They will fight until every single zionist plane is eliminated from the skies. And call upon their fellow chickens, turkeys, and sparrows world-wide to join in the great resistance against the plane occupying aggressors
| 818 |
right_in_canada Thu, Jan 15, 2009 3:50:57pm |
| 819 |
mdaspinall Thu, Jan 15, 2009 3:51:23pm |
| 820 |
picayune Thu, Jan 15, 2009 3:53:37pm |
re: #808 LGoPs
My fav... the one with all the bulls and cows, standing up on their hind legs, on a hilltop, next to a road, yaking with one another, until one next to the road hollers out "CAR", and they all resume their normal four legged stance while the car passes on the road, then the lookout calls "CLEAR", and they all stand up on two legs and continue talking to one another again.
| 821 |
mdaspinall Thu, Jan 15, 2009 3:53:59pm |
re: #810 CIA Reject
Pilot was an F-4 jockey in the USAF.
No wonder everything came out OK.
Ah yes but the UN is now convening a war crimes tribunal to investigate the geese genocide incident..
| 822 |
Mostly sane, most of the time. Thu, Jan 15, 2009 3:55:03pm |
I went out and looked and looked.
Capt. Chesley Sullenberg.
I'm tired of only hearing about the murderers and the creeps. I like hearing about the guys who did something right for once.
(How much you wanna bet he'd just say he was lucky?)
| 823 |
FrogMarch Thu, Jan 15, 2009 3:55:16pm |
re: #652 CIA Reject
Some airlines (I know United for one) play the cockpit radio traffic on one of the in-flight entertainment channels. Some folks find it eases stress to listen to it so they have more information about what is going on with the flight.
If that doesn't do it for you then some degree of responsible self-medication is probably in order.
Good luck in any case!
Thank you. Sorry for the delay in responding. Pre-travel insanity around here.
I do listen to that channel. 9 or is it 11? It is rather comforting.
I'm a relatively seasoned traveler. I used to love to fly - now every bit of turbulence freaks me out.
| 824 |
CIA Reject Thu, Jan 15, 2009 3:56:39pm |
re: #821 mdaspinall
Ah yes but the UN is now convening a war crimes tribunal to investigate the geese genocide incident..
*sigh*
| 825 |
CIA Reject Thu, Jan 15, 2009 3:59:15pm |
re: #823 FrogMarch
Thank you. Sorry for the delay in responding. Pre-travel insanity around here.
I do listen to that channel. 9 or is it 11? It is rather comforting.
I'm a relatively seasoned traveler. I used to love to fly - now every bit of turbulence freaks me out.
The flight attendants will know the channel- ask them.
Good luck!
| 826 |
mdaspinall Thu, Jan 15, 2009 3:59:46pm |
| 827 |
picayune Thu, Jan 15, 2009 4:04:07pm |
re: #770 avanti
True for me. Having been in NYC many times primarily on business from HoTX and NOLA, I have never experienced rude behavior in Manhattan. Smiling first helps, but there you are.
As for New Orleans, you're on your own if a DEM official is involved (Nagin/Blanco), as Katrina showed all. I once heard a tourist complain, "yea, come here on vacation - leave on probation." Mainly, folks treat you, as you treat them, in most cases.
| 828 |
Ceemack Thu, Jan 15, 2009 4:55:28pm |
re: #589 jwb7605
OT
From the Drudge Report: Republicans Find Voice in Opposing Stimulus: 'Oh, My God'And so it begins.
To paraphrase a line from "2001: A Space Odyssey":
"My God, it's full of pork."
| 829 |
KitchenQueen Thu, Jan 15, 2009 6:50:24pm |
re: #22 jwb7605
This is still Bush's fault for the next five days. Response was too slow!
But all was well for the passengers thanks to the new mood of hope and change Obama has brought to our land.
/
Seriously, though, I'm glad everyone survived this. Good news.
| 830 |
Alberta Oil Peon Thu, Jan 15, 2009 8:00:52pm |
re: #779 DisturbedEma
Signing off. . .maybe for a long while. . .at my appointment this afternoon. . .Twin A was discovered to be in ready position, and my "safety" was about 40% "off"
Gearing up. . .babies may be on the move. . .
Good luck, Ema! I hope everything "comes out" all right.
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Alone in a Bathroom: The Fear and Uncertainty of a Post-Roe Medication Abortion Angel tucked two white pills into each side of her mouth, bracing herself as they began to dissolve. Her deepest fears and anxieties took over. Angel had wanted to talk to a doctor before she took the pills to ...
Cheechako
1 weeks ago
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They Were Desperate to Get Pregnant. Then IVF Gave Them Extra Embryos. One morning last spring, Ashley Harrolle put her 1-year-old daughter down for a nap and went to the kitchen. She pulled up her fertility clinic’s contact information. It was time to make the call. In a freezer several hundred ... Cheechako
2 weeks ago
Views: 253 • Comments: 0 • Rating: 1- Pictures From Today’s Exhibition of Paintings Done by Jane LilienthalPROPS TO MICHELE AND SAGEHEN FOR CATCHING THE SPELLING ERROR IN THE TITLE THAT MY DIABETIC EYES COULDN'T CATCH I wanted to share pictures of the art show I visited today. The portraits were created by the mother of my ...Joe Bacon ✅
2 weeks ago
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March FavoritesYou've seen these all already but looking back, just because. These are my favorite shots of this last month. That 1937 Zeiss Sonnar is such a gloriously wonderful bit of glass. Thanks for looking.
William Lewis
3 weeks ago
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Russia’s New Combat Robots Blown Up by Drones Near Avdiivka When we landed on the moon, I thought about how science fiction had become real. Now, the robot wars have begun. It's more poignant somehow on the ground than in the missile wars we have in the air as ...
Rightwingconspirator
3 weeks ago
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Why Did More Than 1,000 People Die After Police Subdued Them With Force That Isn’t Meant to Kill? An investigation led by The Associated Press has found that, over a decade, more than 1,000 people died after police subdued them through physical holds, stun guns, body blows and other force not intended to be lethal. More: Why ... Cheechako
3 weeks ago
Views: 511 • Comments: 1 • Rating: 5- A Closer Look at the Eastman State Bar DecisionTaking a few minutes away from work things to read through the Eastman decision. As I'm sure many of you know, Eastman was my law school con law professor. I knew him pretty well because I was also running in ...KGxvi
3 weeks ago
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Abortions Outside Medical System Increased Sharply After Roe Fell, Study Finds The number of women using abortion pills to end their pregnancies on their own without the direct involvement of a U.S.-based medical provider rose sharply in the months after the Supreme Court eliminated a constitutional right to abortion, according ... Cheechako
4 weeks ago
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Once Praised, the Settlement to Help Sickened BP Oil Spill Workers Leaves Most With Nearly Nothing When a deadly explosion destroyed BP’s Deepwater Horizon drilling rig in the Gulf of Mexico, 134 million gallons of crude erupted into the sea over the next three months — and tens of thousands of ordinary people were hired ... Cheechako
4 hours ago
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Texas County at Center of Border Fight Is Overwhelmed by Migrant Deaths EAGLE PASS, Tex. - The undertaker lighted a cigarette and held it between his latex-gloved fingers as he stood over the bloated body bag lying in the bed of his battered pickup truck. The woman had been fished out ... Cheechako
4 days ago
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