Overnight Open Thread

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Open • Fri Jan 16, 2009 at 11:28 pm PST • Views: 131

Lt. Harper: What’re you gonna do?

Clay: Look around a little.

Lt. Harper: Once you get beyond those lights you won’t be able to see your hand in front of your face.

Clay: I will get one of the flashlights from the patrol car.

Lt. Harper: You be careful Clay.

Clay: I’m a big boy now, Johnny.

Plan 9 from Outer Space

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1 jcm  Fri, Jan 16, 2009 11:30:25pm

Just in time for me to say Goodnight!

2 Dustyvet  Fri, Jan 16, 2009 11:30:35pm

Where's the fruit cup...

3 Kragar  Fri, Jan 16, 2009 11:33:21pm

re: #2 Dustyvet

Where's the fruit cup...

FRUIT CUP IS A LIE!

4 Maximu§  Fri, Jan 16, 2009 11:34:01pm

Cya JCM , make sure to check the perimeter for Sappers before lights out.

5 Maximu§  Fri, Jan 16, 2009 11:34:48pm

God, I need some Advil's

6 x-wing  Fri, Jan 16, 2009 11:35:05pm

re: #2 Dustyvet

Where's the fruit cup...

We still have an hour and a half to kill.

I've got Jager, but not shot glasses ;>}

7 Rustler  Fri, Jan 16, 2009 11:35:43pm

Woohoo a plan 9 thread :P

8 Kragar  Fri, Jan 16, 2009 11:37:47pm

Since this is a movie thread, I got an excuse to post some BLACK DYNAMITE!

9 x-wing  Fri, Jan 16, 2009 11:38:13pm

re: #5 Maximu§

God, I need some Advil's

No, you need another drink ;>}

When did the Military authorize snowblowers? We used our trenching tools and liked it ;>}

10 MarineGrunt  Fri, Jan 16, 2009 11:39:58pm
11 Syrah  Fri, Jan 16, 2009 11:40:36pm

re: #3 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

FRUIT CUP IS A LIE!

We do what we must because we can.

12 Dustyvet  Fri, Jan 16, 2009 11:42:11pm

re: #9 x-wing

No, you need another drink ;>}

When did the Military authorize snowblowers? We used our trenching tools and liked it ;>}

My trenching tool has 15,000 sand bags on the odometer...:) And one barracks thief...:)

13 Pietr  Fri, Jan 16, 2009 11:42:53pm

Well, I guess I can join this rowdy crew-but I'll have to lay off the beer pretty soon...Heh heh.

14 Dustyvet  Fri, Jan 16, 2009 11:43:36pm

re: #13 Pietr

Well, I guess I can join this rowdy crew-but I'll have to lay off the beer pretty soon...Heh heh.

Why are we coming apart? Rim Shot...:)

15 Pietr  Fri, Jan 16, 2009 11:44:55pm

Oh-does anyone have a roostercam link-I don't wanna watch the UN/Hammas resupply one from the last thread. Notice they're looking for splodey things under the trucks-and not inside the loads?

16 x-wing  Fri, Jan 16, 2009 11:45:17pm

re: #10 MarineGrunt

Mountain man snow blower

A new meaning to blow it out yer ass. LOL

17 Pietr  Fri, Jan 16, 2009 11:46:26pm

re: #14 Dustyvet

Why are we coming apart? Rim Shot...:)

I really hope you meant it like 'drum roll', and not that other crap..ewww...

/white smoke...

18 x-wing  Fri, Jan 16, 2009 11:46:36pm

re: #15 Pietr

Oh-does anyone have a roostercam link-I don't wanna watch the UN/Hammas resupply one from the last thread. Notice they're looking for splodey things under the trucks-and not inside the loads?

Roostercam linky no worky.
Been trying different links all nite.
Good thing I've got beer.

19 redc1c4  Fri, Jan 16, 2009 11:47:16pm

re: #6 x-wing

We still have an hour and a half to kill.

I've got Jager, but not shot glasses ;>}

throw away the cap and we're on!

20 Pietr  Fri, Jan 16, 2009 11:47:30pm

re: #10 MarineGrunt

Mountain man snow blower

Ms Manners was using that for an avatar a while back, I believe...

21 redc1c4  Fri, Jan 16, 2009 11:48:15pm

re: #2 Dustyvet

Where's the fruit cup...

i'm w*rkin on it... wanna be an alpha tester?

/FDA

22 x-wing  Fri, Jan 16, 2009 11:48:42pm

re: #12 Dustyvet

My trenching tool has 15,000 sand bags on the odometer...:) And one barracks thief...:)

Sandbags? what is this you speak of? Tankers don't need no stinking sandbags ;>}

23 redc1c4  Fri, Jan 16, 2009 11:49:33pm

re: #10 MarineGrunt

Mountain man snow blower

that's one way to shrink them hemorrhoids, that's fer sure!

24 Kragar  Fri, Jan 16, 2009 11:49:44pm

re: #12 Dustyvet

My trenching tool has 15,000 sand bags on the odometer...:) And one barracks thief...:)

Hey now. Gear adrift is a gift!

25 Dustyvet  Fri, Jan 16, 2009 11:49:45pm

re: #17 Pietr

I really hope you meant it like 'drum roll', and not that other crap..ewww...

/white smoke...

Yup drum roll...:)

26 Pietr  Fri, Jan 16, 2009 11:49:46pm

re: #19 redc1c4

throw away the cap and we're on!

Sorta/kinda 'just pass the jug around' night, Huh. Lord, this could be a drunken brawl, when it finishes...

27 redc1c4  Fri, Jan 16, 2009 11:50:41pm

re: #22 x-wing

Sandbags? what is this you speak of? Tankers don't need no stinking sandbags ;>}

i dunno: they're handy for keeping multiple canteens in the drivers compartment on long road marches.

28 x-wing  Fri, Jan 16, 2009 11:50:41pm

re: #19 redc1c4

throw away the cap and we're on!

You got it red. Glasses are for wussies.

29 redc1c4  Fri, Jan 16, 2009 11:51:38pm

re: #26 Pietr

Sorta/kinda 'just pass the jug around' night, Huh. Lord, this could be a drunken brawl, when it finishes...

fights cause spilled drinks, and are therefore against UCMJ.

30 mean Gene  Fri, Jan 16, 2009 11:51:57pm

[Link: switch434-01.castup.net...]
[Link: www.communa.agrisupportonline.com...]
Al Jazeera is on that 2nd link.
Is there a ceasefire or something tonight?

31 x-wing  Fri, Jan 16, 2009 11:52:46pm

re: #21 redc1c4

i'm w*rkin on it... wanna be an alpha tester?

/FDA

He may want to consult little blessing before answering that question ;>}

32 Dustyvet  Fri, Jan 16, 2009 11:54:21pm

re: #31 x-wing

He may want to consult little blessing before answering that question ;>}

I know i got a 5th around here somewhere to plead...

33 Pietr  Fri, Jan 16, 2009 11:54:52pm

re: #29 redc1c4

fights cause spilled drinks, and are therefore against UCMJ.

Yes, I know all about the 'alcohol abuse' regs...LOL.

34 redc1c4  Fri, Jan 16, 2009 11:55:28pm

re: #28 x-wing

You got it red. Glasses are for wussies.

naw, glasses are for us old farts with bad eyes... if we can afford them.

i got yelled at more than once over the whole half full/half empty thing, but i've decided my biggest problem was the glass just isn't big enough!

KEEP
POURING

35 x-wing  Fri, Jan 16, 2009 11:55:37pm

re: #27 redc1c4

i dunno: they're handy for keeping multiple canteens in the drivers compartment on long road marches.

Yes the bags themselves. Not so much the sand. ;>}

36 Render  Fri, Jan 16, 2009 11:56:48pm

Ana Vidoc

Eliot Fisk

===

Quiet sabbath.

HIT
AND
RUN,
R

37 Pietr  Fri, Jan 16, 2009 11:56:52pm

re: #30 mean Gene

[Link: switch434-01.castup.net...]
[Link: www.communa.agrisupportonline.com...]
Al Jazeera is on that 2nd link.
Is there a ceasefire or something tonight?

Sorry, neither link works for me, MG. Thank you anyway...I want my roostercam...it's like an addiction.

38 redc1c4  Fri, Jan 16, 2009 11:57:18pm

re: #32 Dustyvet

I know i got a 5th around here somewhere to plead pour...

FTFY!

39 Rustler  Fri, Jan 16, 2009 11:57:32pm

re: #29 redc1c4
Thought it was the other way around spilled drinks cause fights?

40 redc1c4  Fri, Jan 16, 2009 11:58:52pm

re: #35 x-wing

Yes the bags themselves. Not so much the sand. ;>}

that goes in the air filter, and the oil filter, and the fuel filter, and your meals and your eyelids, and...

41 x-wing  Fri, Jan 16, 2009 11:59:47pm

re: #34 redc1c4

That's why I drink straight out of the pitcher. If I miss my mouth with that, it's time for bed;>}
And who wants to take the time to keep filling that glass up?

42 mean Gene  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 12:00:03am

I thought this news was interesting:
Hamas took over the first floor of the building that the BBC offices in Gaza last night and fired rockets from there, trapping the journalists above. Despite the fact that their reporters have now escaped the building, the BBC has so far not said anything about this.
So, the BBC reporters were used as human shields and yet they say nothing about it when given the chance.

43 MarineGrunt  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 12:01:03am
44 x-wing  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 12:01:38am

re: #37 Pietr

Sorry, neither link works for me, MG. Thank you anyway...I want my roostercam...it's like an addiction.

You aint gettin' it tonite. It's gone, not sure if it's gone for good or not.

45 redc1c4  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 12:02:23am

re: #39 Rustler

Thought it was the other way around spilled drinks cause fights?

i was always practical: fighting gets in the way of drinking, and therefore is bad. i stayed where it was quiet, minded my own bidness, and unassed the AO when flagrant displays of testosterone were imminent.

i did have beers with my Division Commander not once but twice at a unit level club.

46 x-wing  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 12:03:07am

re: #40 redc1c4

that goes in the air filter, and the oil filter, and the fuel filter, and your meals and your eyelids, and...

Ah, the good ole days. Not to mention the nether regions of the body. I'll stop at that ;>}

47 Rustler  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 12:04:07am

re: #45 redc1c4
Lol in Korea anytime I wanted a good fight I used to go to the Turk bar. Fights were always fun and once it was over the drinks flowed free and no hard feelings. The fighting was more a tension breaker to start the nights drinking off right.

48 redc1c4  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 12:04:25am

Maximus, you still here?

49 Rustler  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 12:04:53am

re: #46 x-wing
Bah that was sand the cooks called it field salt.

50 x-wing  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 12:05:04am

re: #42 mean Gene

Useful Idiots? Hey, they hitched their wagon to Hamas, there's no turning back.

51 filbert23  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 12:05:18am

Southern Comfort is open and security team is posted!

52 mean Gene  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 12:05:22am

So, I'm watching Al Jazeera TV.
I cannot imagine if that were my only TV channel.
It is pure propaganda 100% of the time!
Don't people ever just get entertained in islam?
Is it all ''Shokabuku?" *

*A kick to the head that alters your reality forever.
We used to hear that term in relation to Buddhists who keep trying to convert people and talk and talk and talk to them until they just wore them down.

53 Pietr  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 12:05:51am

re: #36 Render

I regret I have only one ding to give-I didn't realize your depth, Sir. Tho I liked the first more, the 2nd link is one I could develop an affinity for. Thanks for sharing , Amigo...Cheers!

54 redc1c4  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 12:06:18am

re: #47 Rustler

Lol in Korea anytime I wanted a good fight I used to go to the Turk bar. Fights were always fun and once it was over the drinks flowed free and no hard feelings. The fighting was more a tension breaker to start the nights drinking off right.

must have been a childhood of getting pounded, but i never felt a need to go there...

that and i joined at the ripe old age of 23, after 3 years of college.

55 Rustler  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 12:06:39am

re: #42 mean Gene But I can almost Garauntee if Israel had retaliated on hte Hamassholes firing from BBC HQ in Gaza it woulda made frontpage news the the Israeli's have blown up another Neutral building like the UN school.

56 x-wing  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 12:07:26am

re: #49 Rustler

Bah that was sand the cooks called it field salt.

Yummy, field salt. Tasted like chicken ;>}

57 Rustler  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 12:09:04am

re: #54 redc1c4
I didn't go often but had a few Turkish Army friends who used to invite me out occasionally. Plus It seems like most of the Road crews and such were either Turkish or Philipino so making friends with em helped. Plus there was this awesome little Gyro cart outside the bar.

58 x-wing  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 12:09:36am

re: #51 filbert23

Southern Comfort is open and security team is posted!

Well, you gonna snort the whole bottle yourself or what. There are other people here ;>}

/mmm...southern comfort.

59 Pietr  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 12:10:52am

I'm drinking beer-but will add a fifth of Canadian Mist to the pot...and I do have a chilled burgundy, if anyone is still standing and thirsty, after the booze is gone...LOL.

60 redc1c4  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 12:11:11am

re: #56 x-wing

Yummy, field salt. Tasted like chicken ;>}

you haven't lived until the morning meal is brought out on the maintenance truck 'cause none other is available, and your scrambled B-rat eggs have a light coat of DF-2.

/didn't think you could make dehydrated shit taste worse, but i was wrong.

61 [deleted]  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 12:12:58am
62 Dustyvet  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 12:14:17am

re: #61 ploome hineni

[Link: beta.vosizneias.com...]

I posted this two days ago, and it got deleted...

63 x-wing  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 12:14:41am

re: #52 mean Gene

You wanna barf. This is Skype? It's based in D.C. talk about a Hamass fest. Just hit cancel when PhotoGallery pos up.

[Link: wwitv.com...]

64 redc1c4  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 12:17:29am

not that late, but a long day, and the Moronapalooza is tomorrow here in LA.

hasta y'all

Lvter!

65 [deleted]  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 12:18:15am
66 x-wing  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 12:18:20am

re: #59 Pietr

I'm drinking beer-but will add a fifth of Canadian Mist to the pot...and I do have a chilled burgundy, if anyone is still standing and thirsty, after the booze is gone...LOL.

Keep it handy. Nights like this just evolve, don't know where we may end up. ;>}

67 stevieray  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 12:18:32am

HopenChange hasn't crossed the 38th parallel yet:

N. Korea: Priority to build up nuclear deterrent

North Korea said Saturday its priority is to build up its "nuclear deterrent force" to protect itself and not to normalize diplomatic ties with the United States.

Pyongyang last week said it would not give up its nuclear weapons until after Washington alters its "hostile policy" toward its government and proves it does not pose an atomic threat.

The cryptic statement was the first to lay out the communist nation's nuclear stance since the last round of international disarmament talks stalled in December.

68 Pietr  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 12:18:46am

Job at the FBI

The FBI had an opening for an assassin.
After all the background checks, interviews And testing were done, there were 3 finalists; Two men and a woman.

For the final test, the FBI agents took one of The men to a large metal door and handed Him a gun.

'We must know that you will follow your Instructions no matter what the circumstances.

Inside the room you will find your wife sitting In a chair .. . . Kill her!'

The man said, 'You can't be serious. I could Never shoot my wife.'

The agent said, 'Then you're not the right man For this job. Take your wife and go home.'

The second man was given the same instructions. He took the gun and went into the room. All was Quiet for about 5 minutes.

The man came out with tears in his eyes, 'I tried, But I can't kill my wife.' The agent said, 'You don't Have what it takes. Take your wife and go home.'

Finally, it was the woman's turn. She was given the Same instructions, to kill her husband. She took the Gun and went into the room. Shots were heard, one After another. They heard screaming, crashing, Banging on the walls. After a few minutes, all was Quiet. The door opened slowly and there stood the Woman, wiping the sweat from her brow.

'This gun is loaded with blanks' she said. 'I had to Beat him to death with the chair.'

MORAL:

Women are crazy. Don't mess with them

69 Dustyvet  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 12:19:21am

re: #65 ploome hineni

oh

wonder why?

No idea...:(

70 x-wing  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 12:21:57am

re: #60 redc1c4

LOL, the closest I came to eating and shit was when my tank was parked behind a manure pile and Top brought dinner around.

71 Rustler  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 12:22:55am

re: #70 x-wing
Shit was a regular additive back when rancher still had the ranch was basically impossible to avoid at some times of the year.

72 x-wing  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 12:23:06am

re: #64 redc1c4

Later red. Maybe tomorrow you can hang around awhile.

73 Pietr  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 12:23:20am

Wal-Mart has everything
One day, in line at the company cafeteria, Joe says to Mike behind him, 'My elbow hurts like hell. I guess I'd better see a doctor.'
'Listen, you don't have to spend that kind of money,' Mike replies. 'There's a diagnostic computer down at Wal-Mart. Just give it a urine sample and the computer will tell you what's wrong and what to do about it.
It takes ten seconds and costs ten dollars . . . A lot cheaper than a doctor.'
So, Joe deposits a urine sample in a small jar and takes it to Wal-Mart.
He deposits ten dollars and the computer lights up and asks for the urine sample. He pours the sample into the slot and waits.
Ten seconds later, the computer ejects a printout:
'You have tennis elbow. Soak your arm in warm water and avoid heavy activity. It will improve in two weeks. Thank you for shopping @ Wal-Mart.'
That evening, while thinking how amazing this new technology was, Joe began wondering if the computer could be fooled.
He mixed some tap water, a stool sample from his dog , urine samples from his wife and daughter, and a sperm sample for good measure.
Joe hurries back to Wal-Mart, eager to check the results. He deposits ten dollars, pours in his concoction, and awaits the results.
The computer prints the following:
1. Your tap water is too hard. Get a water softener. (Aisle 9)
2. Your dog has ringworm. Bathe him with anti-fungal shampoo. (Aisle 7)
3. Your daughter has a cocaine habit. Get her into rehab.
4. Your wife is pregnant. Twins. They aren't yours. Get a lawyer.
5. If you don't stop playing with yourself, your elbow will never get better!
Thank you for shopping @ Wal-Mart

74 x-wing  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 12:27:14am

re: #71 Rustler

Shit was a regular additive back when rancher still had the ranch was basically impossible to avoid at some times of the year.

LOL, I should rephrase that.

"As far as I know". When you're hungry...

75 Render  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 12:27:50am

May 16, 2007

[Link: cpj.org...]

"Fatah gunmen took over the roofs of the Shawa and Hosari Tower—which houses the Ramattan news agency, the BBC, and Al-Jazeera, among other media outlets..."

"The gunmen clashed with Hamas fighters on the ground outside the building, trapping the journalists in the middle of heavy shooting. The BBC, relying on its correspondent inside the Shawa and Hosari Tower, reported the same scenario.

Shahdi al-Kashif, managing editor of Ramattan, told CPJ the clashes broke out around 6 p.m. local time. About 40 journalists in the Shawa and Hosari Tower congregated in Ramattan’s offices on the ninth floor, he said, adding that the building sustained extensive damage and vehicles belonging to the journalists were destroyed."

===

I've known who "Achmed" was and I've known where the Gazacams were located for some time now.

===

March 12, 2008

[Link: www.newssafety.com...]

"Original Headline: Palestinian Ramattan news agency's office "stormed", journalist arrested

Text of report in English by privately-owned Palestinian Ramattan News Agency website

Ramallah, 12 Mar (RNA) - Palestinian security stormed Wednesday [12 March] Ramattan office in Ramallah and arrested one of its journalists. RNA staff in Ramallah said that the security members broke into the office and arrested Nawwaf Al-Amer. They led al-Amer into a disclosed place and gave no information about the reasons of his arrest. Al-Amer is an editor of Arabic news in Ramallah and lives in Nablus city.

Source: Ramattan News Agency website, Gaza, in English 12 Mar 08

BBC Mon ME1 MEPol MD1 Media nm

©2008 AFP All rights reserved"

=

Read this one very carefully...twice.

And note the date, just a month and a half ago.

Nov 30, 2008

[Link: www.zibb.com...]

===

NOT
ONE
WORD,
R

76 gmsc  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 12:31:50am

Hey, I understand from the MSM that throwing shoes at people who elected president is considered funny. Let's check this theory out:

77 gmsc  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 12:34:31am

re: #76 gmsc

Hey, I understand from the MSM that throwing shoes at people who have been elected president is considered funny. Let's check this theory out:


[Video]

PIMF

78 Pietr  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 12:37:50am

1. How Do You Catch a Unique Rabbit?
Unique Up On It.

2. How Do You Catch a Tame Rabbit?
Tame Way.

3. How Do Crazy People Go Through The Forest ?
They Take The Psycho Path

4. How Do You Get Holy Water?
You Boil The Hell Out Of It

5. What Do Fish Say When They Hit a Concrete Wall?
Dam!

6. What Do Eskimos Get From Sitting On The Ice too Long?
Polaroid's

7. What Do You Call a Boomerang That Doesn't work?
A Stick

8. What Do You Call Cheese That Isn't Yours?
Nacho Cheese.

9. What Do You Call Santa's Helpers?
Subordinate Clauses.

10. What Do You Call Four Bullfighters In Quicksand?
Quattro Sinko.

11. What Do You Get From a Pampered Cow?
Spoiled Milk.

12. What Do You Get When You Cross a Snowman With a Vampire?
Frostbite.

13. What Lies At The Bottom Of The Ocean And Twitches?
A Nervous Wreck..

14. What's The Difference Between Roast Beef And Pea Soup?
Anyone Can Roast Beef.

15. Where Do You Find a Dog With No Legs?
Right Where You Left Him.

16. Why Do Gorillas Have Big Nostrils?
Because They Have Big Fingers .

17. Why Don't Blind People Like To Sky Dive?
Because It Scares The Dog.

18. What Kind Of Coffee Was Served On The Titanic?
Sanka.

19. What Is The Difference Between a Harley And a Hoover ?!
The Location Of The Dirt Bag.

20. Why Did Pilgrims' Pants Always Fall Down?
Because They Wore Their Belt Buckle On Their Hat.

21. What's The Difference Between a Bad Golfer And a Bad Skydiver?
A Bad Golfer Goes, Whack , Dang!
A Bad Skydiver Goes Dang! Whack .

22. How Are a Texas Tornado And a Tennessee Divorce The Same?
Somebody's Gonna Lose A Trailer

Now, admit it.
At least one of these made you smile.

79 Pietr  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 12:42:51am

Oh no's, ize killed da tred...

80 Dustyvet  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 12:43:09am

re: #78 Pietr

1. How Do You Catch a Unique Rabbit?
Unique Up On It.

2. How Do You Catch a Tame Rabbit?
Tame Way.

3. How Do Crazy People Go Through The Forest ?
They Take The Psycho Path

4. How Do You Get Holy Water?
You Boil The Hell Out Of It

5. What Do Fish Say When They Hit a Concrete Wall?
Dam!

6. What Do Eskimos Get From Sitting On The Ice too Long?
Polaroid's

7. What Do You Call a Boomerang That Doesn't work?
A Stick

8. What Do You Call Cheese That Isn't Yours?
Nacho Cheese.

9. What Do You Call Santa's Helpers?
Subordinate Clauses.

10. What Do You Call Four Bullfighters In Quicksand?
Quattro Sinko.

11. What Do You Get From a Pampered Cow?
Spoiled Milk.

12. What Do You Get When You Cross a Snowman With a Vampire?
Frostbite.

13. What Lies At The Bottom Of The Ocean And Twitches?
A Nervous Wreck..

14. What's The Difference Between Roast Beef And Pea Soup?
Anyone Can Roast Beef.

15. Where Do You Find a Dog With No Legs?
Right Where You Left Him.

16. Why Do Gorillas Have Big Nostrils?
Because They Have Big Fingers .

17. Why Don't Blind People Like To Sky Dive?
Because It Scares The Dog.

18. What Kind Of Coffee Was Served On The Titanic?
Sanka.

19. What Is The Difference Between a Harley And a Hoover ?!
The Location Of The Dirt Bag.

20. Why Did Pilgrims' Pants Always Fall Down?
Because They Wore Their Belt Buckle On Their Hat.

21. What's The Difference Between a Bad Golfer And a Bad Skydiver?
A Bad Golfer Goes, Whack , Dang!
A Bad Skydiver Goes Dang! Whack .

22. How Are a Texas Tornado And a Tennessee Divorce The Same?
Somebody's Gonna Lose A Trailer

Now, admit it.
At least one of these made you smile.

Groan...:P...

81 Pietr  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 12:44:37am

re: #80 Dustyvet

Ever see so many puns in 1 place-I love it...:>))

82 Dustyvet  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 12:45:44am

re: #79 Pietr

Oh no's, ize killed da tred...

83 freetoken  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 12:46:00am

OK, it is humor night...

Here is some British humor from a couple of months ago, to explain the banking mess. Funny, it is (very definitely Socialist) British way:

pt 1:


pt 2:

84 x-wing  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 12:47:47am

re: #75 Render

Anything happening over yonder tonight(this morning) . Roostercam is down for the count?

85 Render  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 12:47:57am

re: #53 Pietr

If it's any consolation, neither did I...

Gravedigger - Valhalla

STILL
DIGGIN,
R

86 gmsc  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 12:55:03am

Humor trivia: Saturday Night Live has never had a regular cast member whose last name starts with "F" who was actualy funny.

87 Render  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 12:55:05am

re: #84 x-wing

All quiet.

HAMAS is trying to figure out whats left of itself. Fatah is licking itself like a cat. The IDF is cleaning and reloading. Supplying the enemy goes on as before...

If there is going to be any more, then I doubt we'll see it until after sundown Saturday evening, their time.

I
DON'T
KEEP,
R

88 x-wing  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 12:58:49am

re: #87 Render

If we don't have Video, you will gives us play by play? I really enjoy that.

89 gmsc  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 12:58:56am

re: #87 Render

All quiet.

HAMAS is trying to figure out whats left of itself. Fatah is licking itself like a cat. The IDF is cleaning and reloading. Supplying the enemy goes on as before...

If there is going to be any more, then I doubt we'll see it until after sundown Saturday evening, their time.

I
DON'T
KEEP,
R

Courtesy of Instapundit:

HMM: “A protest against Israeli operations in Gaza was called off because not enough Palestinians showed up.”

“So not only are the Saudis and others dragging their feet, but the meeting on Gaza will be a side show to more pressing business - an economic summit. What we are seeing is a realignment of Middle East interests.”

90 shiplord kirel  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 1:05:51am

It has occurred to me that the no matter how the showdown with the global jihad turns out, the jihad's numerous dhimmis and collaborators are doomed.

If we win, as many Muslims as possible will be spared; for that is our nature. Justice must be ruthlessly and thoroughly visited on their traitorous facilitators, however, since no society that values its own survival can tolerate genocidal treason, let alone allow it to flourish.

Similarly, in the unlikely event the Caliphate wins, the tools' usefulness will be at end. Having proven their treacherous and depraved nature, they will have become a dangerous liability. Islamic justice being what its is, they will be exterminated to the last moonbat.

91 x-wing  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 1:06:06am

re: #89 gmsc

Youtube Video


I saw tonight on a pro-Arab news show that Qatar(pronounced gutter, haha) is calling for Israeli leaders to be brought up on war crimes or some shit. I take that with a grain of salt. They're probably just as happy as everyone else that Hamass is getting throttled bigtime. Except Hamass, Syria and Iran I'd say.

92 Pietr  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 1:06:47am

re: #87 Render

Your updates are very important, and much appreciated...Thank you.

93 x-wing  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 1:10:29am

Looks like little old lady overslept today. I'm calling it a night, work tomorrow. It's been fun.

I'm out, try to keep your scales dry. Later.

94 Pietr  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 1:11:00am

re: #90 shiplord kirel

Very insightfull-the 'sorry' thing is, the TOOLS can never see how they are being used, or how they will get discarded when no longer needed, IMHO.

95 freetoken  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 1:13:38am

re: #93 x-wing

Well, it isn't 2AM (Pacific) yet... so the fruitcup isn't late.

What is late will be many Californian's tax refund. The state Friday said it will no longer be sending checks out, just IOUs!

96 littleoldlady  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 1:14:28am

I DID NOT!

I AM STANDING UP!

97 Pietr  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 1:14:29am

Just got this email-don't know if it will post...

Apparently this one is for real. Go to the following address at Snopes to read the latest update as of Jan 5, 2009

[Link: www.snopes.com...]

THERE IS AN EMAIL WITH SUBJECT LINE OBAMA ACCEPTANCE SPEECH FLOATING AROUND WITH A TROJAN HORSE ATTACHMENT. DO NOT O PEN FOR ANY REASON!
DELETE IMMEDIATELY. THE TROJAN STEALS ALL PASSWORDS AND USER IDS!
SPREAD THE WORD TO EVERYONE ON YOUR EMAIL LIST.

98 Fenway_Nation  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 1:15:22am

I made it a point to save the newspaper from the day after 0bama won the election. I was about ready to toss it out when I realized that it fetch a pretty penny for some stupid-ass moonbat with more money and spare time than brains. Right now, I only 'regret' that I have just the one copy. Should I set aside the one from the innaguration as well (or actively seek more copies)?

99 Pietr  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 1:16:32am

re: #96 littleoldlady

I DID NOT!

I AM STANDING UP!

Having pulled barracks guard duty-not in a combat zone, at the time-I know you can sleep standing up, littleoldlady. How are you tonight?

100 Dustyvet  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 1:23:40am

re: #81 Pietr

Ever see so many puns in 1 place-I love it...:>))

re: #96 littleoldlady

I DID NOT!

I AM STANDING UP!

Hickory Dickory Doc, two mice ran up a clock, the clock struck one, and the other escaped with minor injuries...

101 gmsc  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 1:24:58am

re: #78 Pietr

1. How Do You Catch a Unique Rabbit?
Unique Up On It.

2. How Do You Catch a Tame Rabbit?
Tame Way.

[...snip...]

A young boy was repeatedly told to go to bed, but he didn't want to. In exasperation, his father told his son, "If you go get ready for bed now, I'll be up in a few minutes to read you a bedtime story."

Thankfully, this worked. The son raced upstairs and got ready for bed. As this was happening, the father went through some books, and found a book of stories about Australia. Unfortunately, the father didn't realize that this was his son's least favorite storybook.

When the father came upstairs, and the son saw what book had been chosen, he was naturally disappointed. He asked his father, "What did you bring that book, which I didn't want to be read to from out of, about down under, up for?"

102 Dustyvet  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 1:25:57am

re: #97 Pietr

Just got this email-don't know if it will post...

Apparently this one is for real. Go to the following address at Snopes to read the latest update as of Jan 5, 2009

[Link: www.snopes.com...]

THERE IS AN EMAIL WITH SUBJECT LINE OBAMA ACCEPTANCE SPEECH FLOATING AROUND WITH A TROJAN HORSE ATTACHMENT. DO NOT O PEN FOR ANY REASON!
DELETE IMMEDIATELY. THE TROJAN STEALS ALL PASSWORDS AND USER IDS!
SPREAD THE WORD TO EVERYONE ON YOUR EMAIL LIST.

I'm dafe, I fon't open anything from "The One", The DNC, or Toys R US...:)

103 Dustyvet  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 1:27:23am

A group of chess enthusiasts checked into a hotel and were standing in the lobby discussing their recent tournament victories.

After an hour, the manager came out of the office and asked them to disperse.

"But why?" they asked, as they moved off.

"Because," he said, "I can't stand chess nuts boasting in an open foyer."

104 littleoldlady  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 1:27:26am

re: #99 Pietr

Having pulled barracks guard duty-not in a combat zone, at the time-I know you can sleep standing up, littleoldlady. How are you tonight?

Having had a roommate when I was a sophomore at Temple University who was into transcendental meditation, and who would lock the door to our room every afternoon just at my naptime, forcing me to sleep in a vertical position in the public phone alcove in the 9th floor hallway...I know that, too! ;-)

Not enough coffee yet to make a complete analysis of my status...

105 gmsc  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 1:28:20am

re: #99 Pietr

Having pulled barracks guard duty-not in a combat zone, at the time-I know you can sleep standing up, littleoldlady. How are you tonight?

Next time, let Barack do his own guard duty!
;)

106 Dustyvet  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 1:28:47am

The Revolutionary War was over and General Washington called the troops together to address them saying: "Men, the country must be kept safe. Accordingly, I am ordering that the active duty regulars are to stand duty from Monday through Friday. On Saturday and Sunday the National Guard and Reserves will worry about our new nations security."

And so it was, and from that day to this, the National Guard and Reserves have been known as Weekend Worriers.

107 littleoldlady  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 1:37:46am

re: #106 Dustyvet

I'm forcibly holding my finger back from downdinging that one.

/...only because I like you so much.

;-)

108 Pietr  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 1:38:11am

It's that time of year to take our annual senior citizen test.
Exercise of the brain is as important as exercise of the muscles. As we grow older, it's important to keep mentally alert... If you don't use it, you lose it! Below is a very private way to gauge your loss or non-loss of intelligence.
Take the test presented here to determine if you're losing it or not. The spaces below are so you don't see the answers until you've made your answer.
OK, relax, clear your mind and begin.


1. What do you put in a toaster?

Answer: 'bread.' If you said 'toast,' give up now and do something else.
Try not to hurt yourself. If you said, bread, go to Question 2.

2. Say ' silk' five times. Now spell 'silk.' What do cows drink?


Answer: Cows drink water. If you said 'milk,' don't attempt the next question. Your brain is over-stressed and may even overheat. Content yourself with reading a more appropriate literature such as Auto World. However, if you said 'water', proceed to question 3.

3. If a red house is made from red bricks and a blue house is made from blue bricks and a pink house is made from pink bricks and a black house is made from black bricks, what is a green house made from?

Answer: Greenhouses are made from glass. If you said 'green bricks,' why are you still reading these?
If you said 'glass,' go on to Question 4.

4. It's twenty years ago, and a plane is flying at 20,000 feet over Germany (If you will recall, Germany at the time was politically divided into West Germany and East Germany.) Anyway, during the flight, two engines fail. The pilot, realizing that the last remaining engine is also failing, decides on a crash landing procedure. Unfortunately the engine fails before he can do so and the plane fatally crashes smack in the middle of 'no man's land' between East Germany and West Germany. Where would you bury the survivors? East Germany, West Germany, or no man's land'?


Answer: You don't bury survivors.
If you said ANYTHING else, you're a dunce and you must stop. If you said, 'You don't bury survivors', proceed to the next question.


5. Without using a calculator - You are driving a bus from London to Milford Haven in Wales . In London, 17 people get on the bus. In Reading, six people get off the bus and nine people get on. In Swindon, two people get off and four get on. In Cardiff, 11 people get off and 16 people get on. In Swansea, three people get off and five people get on . In Carmathen, six people get off and three get on. You then arrive at Milford Haven.
What was the name of the bus driver?

Answer: Oh, for crying out loud!
Don't you remember your own name? It was YOU!

PS: 95% of people fail most of the questions!

109 Outrider  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 1:38:28am

re: #99 Pietr

Having pulled barracks guard duty-not in a combat zone, at the time-I know you can sleep standing up, littleoldlady. How are you tonight?

As Sergeant of the Guard and later as a 1SG I've found my share of soldiers asleep while standing. There are any number of non-judicial methods of dealing with this so these guys will be lucky if they even sleep when they do get off of guard duty. ;-)>

110 Dustyvet  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 1:41:05am

re: #107 littleoldlady

I'm forcibly holding my finger back from downdinging that one.

/...only because I like you so much.

;-)

aww shucks...(((Lady)))...

111 Pietr  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 1:41:07am

re: #109 Outrider

OUCH...

/white smoke...

112 Dustyvet  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 1:45:52am

re: #109 Outrider

As Sergeant of the Guard and later as a 1SG I've found my share of soldiers asleep while standing. There are any number of non-judicial methods of dealing with this so these guys will be lucky if they even sleep when they do get off of guard duty. ;-)>

I used to know an NCO, who would use smelling salts for that purpose. until the night he got his jaw broken in two places by the PVT-E-2 he used it on. Battalion Commander sided with the E-2, and also busted the E-5.

113 Fenway_Nation  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 1:47:50am

re: #110 Dustyvet

I'm only holding back on my 'Two Gay Irishmen Are in the Middle of A Bender at The Local Pub...' joke because...well...it's the right thing to do for a change...

114 Pietr  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 1:48:01am

While looking at a house, my brother asked the estate agent which direction was north because, he explained, he didn't want the sun waking him up every morning. She asked, 'Does the sun rise in the north?' When my brother explained that the sun rises in the east, and has for sometime, she shook her head and said, 'Oh, I don't keep up with that stuff'

***They Walk Among Us!***
---

My colleague and I were eating our lunch in our cafeteria, when we overheard one of the administrative assistants talking about the sunburn she got on her weekend drive to the beach. She drove down in a convertible, but 'didn't think she'd get sunburned because the car was moving'.

***They Walk Among Us!***
---


My sister has a lifesaving tool in her car it's designed to cut through a seat belt if she gets trapped. She keeps it in the trunk.

***They Walk Among Us!***
---

I was hanging out with a friend when we saw a woman with a nose ring attached to an earring by a chain. My friend said, 'Wouldn't the chain rip out every time she turned her head?' I had to explain that a person's nose and ear remain the same distance apart no matter which way the head is turned...

***They Walk Among Us! ***
---

I couldn't find my luggage at the airport baggage area. So I went to the lost luggage office and told the woman there that my bags never showed up. She smiled and told me not to worry because she was a trained professional and I was in good hands. 'Now,' she asked me, 'Has your plane arrived yet?'...
(I work with professionals like this.)

***They Walk Among Us!***
---

While working at a pizza parlour I observed a man ordering a small pizza to go. He appeared to be alone and the cook asked him if he would like it cut into 4 pieces or 6. He thought about it for some time before responding. 'Just cut it into 4 pieces; I don't think I'm hungry enough to eat 6 pieces.

***Yep, They Walk Among Us, too.!

Sadly, not only do they walk among us, they also reproduce !

115 Dustyvet  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 1:49:27am

re: #113 Fenway_Nation

I'm only holding back on my 'Two Gay Irishmen Are in the Middle of A Bender at The Local Pub...' joke because...well...it's the right thing to do for a change...

Otays...:) maybe another time...:)

116 Outrider  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 1:51:52am

re: #112 Dustyvet

I used to know an NCO, who would use smelling salts for that purpose. until the night he got his jaw broken in two places by the PVT-E-2 he used it on. Battalion Commander sided with the E-2, and also busted the E-5.

Sgt shouldn't have been stupid enough to place himself where that could have happened.

117 Outrider  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 1:53:38am

re: #114 Pietr

While looking at a house, my brother asked the estate agent which direction was north because, he explained, he didn't want the sun waking him up every morning. She asked, 'Does the sun rise in the north?' When my brother explained that the sun rises in the east, and has for sometime, she shook her head and said, 'Oh, I don't keep up with that stuff'

***They Walk Among Us!***
--- ---

My colleague and I were eating our lunch in our cafeteria, when we overheard one of the administrative assistants talking about the sunburn she got on her weekend drive to the beach. She drove down in a convertible, but 'didn't think she'd get sunburned because the car was moving'.

***They Walk Among Us!***
--- ---

My sister has a lifesaving tool in her car it's designed to cut through a seat belt if she gets trapped. She keeps it in the trunk.

***They Walk Among Us!***
--- ---

I was hanging out with a friend when we saw a woman with a nose ring attached to an earring by a chain. My friend said, 'Wouldn't the chain rip out every time she turned her head?' I had to explain that a person's nose and ear remain the same distance apart no matter which way the head is turned...

***They Walk Among Us! ***
--- ---

I couldn't find my luggage at the airport baggage area. So I went to the lost luggage office and told the woman there that my bags never showed up. She smiled and told me not to worry because she was a trained professional and I was in good hands. 'Now,' she asked me, 'Has your plane arrived yet?'...
(I work with professionals like this.)

***They Walk Among Us!***
--- ---

While working at a pizza parlour I observed a man ordering a small pizza to go. He appeared to be alone and the cook asked him if he would like it cut into 4 pieces or 6. He thought about it for some time before responding. 'Just cut it into 4 pieces; I don't think I'm hungry enough to eat 6 pieces.

***Yep, They Walk Among Us, too.!

Sadly, not only do they walk among us, they also reproduce !

and vote.

118 Spiritualized  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 1:54:26am

Every cloud...

Crunch 'cost Arabs $2.5 trillion'

The global economic crisis has cost Arab countries $2,500bn (£1,690bn) in the last four months alone, according to Kuwait's foreign minister.

Sheikh Mohammed al-Sabah told reporters in Kuwait City that oil-rich Gulf Arab states had postponed or cancelled 60% of development projects.

119 Outrider  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 1:55:44am

re: #116 Outrider

Sgt shouldn't have been stupid enough to place himself where that could have happened.

I will clarify that the places we pulled guard mount during peacetime were all with live ammo.

120 Outrider  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 1:56:50am

re: #118 Spiritualized

Every cloud...

Crunch 'cost Arabs $2.5 trillion'

poor babies. Bwahahahahahahahahahaha (minor hysteria)

121 Outrider  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 1:58:37am

Ok guess I'll bag it for the night. Good night all

122 Dustyvet  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 1:59:37am

re: #120 Outrider

poor babies. Bwahahahahahahahahahaha (minor hysteria)

123 littleoldlady  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 2:00:02am

Good morning, afternoon, evening *everyone*!™

Fruitcup is on the buffet --->
Help yourselves!

124 Dustyvet  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 2:00:50am

re: #120 Outrider

poor babies. Bwahahahahahahahahahaha (minor hysteria)

125 Dustyvet  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 2:02:16am

re: #123 littleoldlady

Good morning, afternoon, evening *everyone*!™

Fruitcup is on the buffet --->
Help yourselves!

126 Spiritualized  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 2:02:45am

If you haven't seen it yet:

Israeli TV skit on BBC Coverage of Gaza

"The planes dropped a dragon on us."

Hilariously accurate.

127 Dustyvet  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 2:03:13am

re: #123 littleoldlady

Good morning, afternoon, evening *everyone*!™

Fruitcup is on the buffet --->
Help yourselves!

128 littleoldlady  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 2:03:42am

re: #125 Dustyvet

DiscoCat! :-)

129 littleoldlady  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 2:06:26am

re: #126 Spiritualized

ROTFL!

/not funny...but...FUNNY! ;-)

130 Fenway_Nation  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 2:06:36am

re: #115 Dustyvet


OK. Since won't stop asking me for it, here it is.

Seamus and Liam were downing pint after pint of Guiness when through the drunken haze, Seamus realized that they still had to pay for their beers. He pointed this out to Liam who snorted
'Shite! I don't have two pence to rub together!'
'All I've got in me pocket is half a frozen sausage...' Seamus sighed despondently
'I've got it! We use that sausage and I'll get down on the floor an' pantomime like I'm a chubby White House intern and you're Bill Clinton...then, they'll be so disgusted with that display that they'll forget all about the tab and throw us out'.
Seamus was hesitant, but decided to follow his friend's lead. The patrons of the pub recoiled in disgust at their display, and as predicted, the burly bartender threw the two drunken faux-gay Irishmen out into the street by the scruff of their necks.
'Sweet Jesus!' Liam chirped 'That worked better than I could've imagined! Let's try that at O'Sullivan's pub now...'

The two stumbled into O'Sullivan's pub and after a few more pints, pulled the same act when they were asked to pay their bill. Sure enough- forgetting the bill, the disgusted bartender tosses the two of them out into the street.

'The night is young! There's at least five more pubs we can try this at..' Liam exclaimed. Almost reluctantly, Seamus staggered along behind his innebriated friend.

After hitting three more pubs and pulling the same stunt each time they were presented with the tab, Liam wasdebating whether or not to try and get into one more pub. Almost hugging the wall as he cautiously stumbled through the town he confessed to Seamus 'I'm not sure how much longer I can keep this up- me jaw is gettin' pretty sore!'

'Your jaw!?' Seamus snapped back at his drinking buddy. 'How do you think I feel!? I ran out of sausage three pubs ago...'

131 Dustyvet  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 2:12:13am

The Rappin' Hamster


132 Pietr  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 2:13:43am

re: #130 Fenway_Nation

Eeewww...Good one tho...Cheers.

133 Dustyvet  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 2:14:58am

re: #131 Dustyvet

The Rappin' Hamster

[Video]

HAMSTER DANCE

134 Fenway_Nation  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 2:23:31am

re: #133 Dustyvet

I can't get over how this site is [theoretically] powered by hamsters in motion...yet it's also hamsters in motion that may very well kill off this thread.

135 Dustyvet  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 2:30:21am

re: #134 Fenway_Nation

I can't get over how this site is [theoretically] powered by hamsters in motion...yet it's also hamsters in motion that may very well kill off this thread.

Oh gosh...:(...

136 Fenway_Nation  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 2:30:37am

An Irishman was visiting Boston when- following the local reccomendations- he decided to take in a ballgame at Fenway park. Even though he was still unfamiliar with the rules of baseball, he seemed to be enjoying himself- although he was three sheets to the wind by the time the fifth inning rolled around. When it was the Red Sox turn to bat in the top of the fifth inning, the leadoff batter was walked on a 3-1 count. Thinking that the batter was supposed to hustle down the baseline as though the ball was still in play, the Irishman got up and bellowed 'RUN! FER' CHRISSAKES RUN!'

A helpful fan sitting adjacent to him tried explaining to the Irishman that there was no need to run since he was awarded first base. 'You see- he has four balls'

The Irishman blinked and nodded before bellowing out to the batter 'WALK WITH PRIDE, BOYO! WALK WITH PRIDE!'

137 Fenway_Nation  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 2:45:57am

Thread-killer or getting the last word in edge-wise?

/YOU make the call.

138 Dustyvet  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 2:48:12am

re: #137 Fenway_Nation

Thread-killer or getting the last word in edge-wise?

/YOU make the call.

I was checking my eyelids for pinholes...:(

139 Rune  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 2:51:45am

Here is an interview I wanted to share with you, even though it doesn’t paint my country in a good light. It is from the Danish television. An interview with a Danish Jew. (my translation, so I apologise for its quality)


Mads Steffensen, Host: You are a Danish Jew, you live here in Copenhagen, and you feel threatened in your their daily life. How do you feel it personally?

Claus Bentow: I have experienced it in several different ways.

Claus Bentow: Det har jeg oplevet på flere forskellige måder. I've experienced on my way to work, that cars drive up close behind me when and throw things out of the windows and shout 'jahud' - which is Arabic for Jew. I've met a Muslim private school class dancing in the rear end of the bus and shouting death to the Jews, while I sat with my 3yo daughter up the front. I have been attacked, corporal, had stones thrown at me, and people who wanted to beat me up, and so on and so on.

Mads Steffensen - and they can spot. Who is it, who are shouting these things. Who is it, which are threatening you?

Claus Bentow: These things have been mostly Muslims, radical Muslims, Islamists, but I also think the Danish extreme left can sign up under these banners.

Mads Steffensen - and they can spot you on account of the skull cap?

Claus Bentow: The cap, yes, but now I have completely stopped wearing it, without having a hat on top of it. .. But that is why they can spot it.

Mads Steffensen: And your wife has also experienced threats, but she didn’t like to appear in public here. What has she experienced?

Claus Bentow: Yes, she has been threatened. She has been spitted on one, two three times. For instance, she has been threatened in the Metro, has been spit on by an old Arab man whom had seen her Star of David around her neck. She has been spitted on as she was leaving the bus with our nine year old baby ...

Mads Steffensen: This Saturday you participated in a demonstration [on the main square of Copenhagen] because of the war in Gaza. We have some pictures of it here. What was the purpose of the demonstration?

Claus Bentow: The aim was nothing more than to express a desire for peace, and show that Israel wants peace, even if it needs to fight terrorism. Yes, that was basically the message we had. Just that. Nothing more.

Mads Steffensen: And there was also a counter demonstration, that day - we have some pictures.

[Pictures of people shouting into a microphone: "Kill all Jews"]

Mads Steffensen: What do you think when you see these pictures?

Claus Bentow: I feel physically ill. It depressing, fear, and all the hope I once had about some sort of peaceful coexistence, either in the Middle East, or here, all this, I have stopped believing in. I can only see this - it reminds me completely of the Nazis in World War II, it is the same slogans, it is the same they say and it is the same they want. It is absolutely horrible.

...

Mads Steffensen: Now you are a father too far, what are you going to do to protect your children?

Claus Bentow: I try whenever possible, to keep them away. I have kept them out of school...Now one has to ask oneself weather these are tolerable conditions to live under, or if one should move. To – I don’t know – New York, other places, Israel perhaps, to be able to live a tolerable life as a Jew.

Video

- I’m not a Jew, so I have no personal experience. But I was at the pro-Israel demonstration, and saw the Nazi swine making the Nazi gestures while screaming allah akbar and death to all Jews.

140 Pietr  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 2:52:56am

Paddy and Mike are digging a ditch-hard sweaty work-and Sven is up leaning against a tree, Supervising.

Paddy asks Mike, " why are we killing ourselves workin, while Sven rests?"
Mike says, "I dunno, i'll go ask him"

Mike climbs out and asks Sven, "why are you just loafing around, while we're sweating down there?" Sven replies, "because I'm smarter than you".

Mike returns to digging-Paddy keeps banging his thigh..."What did he say, what did he say?" Mike says, "He said he's smarter than us.", and keeps working. Paddy says, "How do we know that?'
Mike stops, thinks, and says, "Dunno, I'll go ask him."
Mike climbs out and asks Sven, "how do
we know you're smarter than us?'
Sven straightens up, and says. "I'll prove it"
he moves, places his hand on the tree-says, "bet you can't hit my hand" Mike says, " you're on", winds up, and throws a punch-and Sven moves his hand-Mikes breaks some knuckles, and skins hell out of his hand. Sven says, See, I'm smarter than you. Get back to work!"

Mike returns to the ditch, and quietly starts digging. Paddy keeps hitting him on the leg, asking "what did he say, what did he say?"
Mike replies, "he proved he was smarter than us". Mike stops, turns and says-"Hey, I bet I'm smartert than you", Steps back and puts his hand over his face-"here, hit my hand, if you can"...

141 little blessing  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 2:53:41am

re: #31 x-wing

Somebody Call?

142 Pietr  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 2:58:03am

re: #139 Rune

Thanks for that-have you shared it with zombie? If not, copy and paste it to him...Cheers.

143 Bubblehead II  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 2:59:24am

Morning all. Any casualties from last nights on the ID thread?

144 Pietr  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 2:59:56am

re: #141 little blessing

Somebody Call?

I think x-wing crashed a while back, littleblessing. We're just trying to keep this thread moving...:>)

145 little blessing  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 3:02:38am

re: #144 Pietr

/typical


What else is going on besides for all these inebriated lizards lying around and the bar jokes?

146 Dustyvet  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 3:03:41am

re: #144 Pietr

I think x-wing crashed a while back, littleblessing. We're just trying to keep this thread moving...:>)

He went to bed...

147 Spare O'Lake  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 3:03:49am

Good Morning LGF.
But not so good if you're a little Muslim girl with sharia "rights".

Top Saudi cleric: Ok for young girls to wed
"It is incorrect to say that it's not permitted to marry off girls who are 15 and younger," Sheikh Abdul Aziz Al-Sheikh, the kingdom's grand mufti, said in remarks quoted Wednesday in the regional Al-Hayat newspaper. "A girl aged 10 or 12 can be married. Those who think she's too young are wrong and they are being unfair to her.

"Wajeha al-Huwaider, co-founder of the Society of Defending Women's Rights in Saudi Arabia, told CNN in December that achieving human rights in the kingdom means standing against those who want to "keep us backward and in the dark ages."

Is the Archbishop of Canterbury listening?

148 logboy  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 3:05:26am

If I Wrote For The Huffington Post - Give Geese A Chance
by Andy Levy

In the wake of the events of 1-15, in which a wedge of Geese brought down a US Airways aircraft, here’s what you won’t be hearing about from the so-called “Mainstream Media”: We brought this on ourselves.

After an event such as this one, it’s important to look at the root causes: Why did the Geese attack us? Well, the truth is, for years we have been oppressing the Geese, using them for the fuel they provide for our bodies.

Boneless Goose Breast, Brandied Roast Goose, Roast Goose with Cumberland Sauce and Apricot Stuffing. And of course, the Christmas Goose. In the name of religion, we have been engaged in what can only be called a Crusade against the Geese. Is it any wonder that a few brave suicide Geese would seek revenge?

Under the neocon/neofascist Cheney-Bush administration, Goose consumption is up 1541%. Geese have been systematically deprived of their rights at a level never seen before. (Look around your workplace: do you see any Geese? Wouldn’t you be nervous if you did?) Reports of shameful anti-Goose activity are at an all-time high, mainly in the South and Midwest, of course.

The fact is, WE (and, of course, Israel) are responsible for the rise of militant Gooslam. Given our actions, is it any wonder that gaggles of Goslings would reject the teachings of moderate Goose leaders, when those leaders are perceived as being in the pocket of the West? Given our actions, is it any wonder that these young Gooslamists would flock to more assertive leaders, leaders whose commitment to their cause cannot be questioned? Given our actions, the rise of a “Goosama” was inevitable. We have only ourselves to blame. (Does anyone doubt that somewhere there’s a photo of Donald Rumsfeld shaking hands with a Goose?)

In the moments right after 1-15, many have been quick to praise the actions of the US Airways pilot. But the TRUTH is that our pilots have been instruments of the BUSHITLER illegal war against the Geese. I know the Repuglicans will attack me for saying this, but speaking TRUTH TO POWER of course makes me a true PATRIOT. And very brave.

Right now America’s relationship with other species couldn’t be worse. Like most Americans, often when I’m hiking I find myself apologizing to woodland creatures for the actions of our illegitimate government. And like the rest of the world, I’m hopeful that once President Obama takes office, things will change, and that we will end our imperialistic attempts at hegemony over the rest of the planet. After all, if he can sit down with Iran and Hezbollah, he can sit down with the Geese.

149 Dustyvet  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 3:09:27am

re: #148 logboy

If I Wrote For The Huffington Post - Give Geese A Chance
by Andy Levy

In the wake of the events of 1-15, in which a wedge of Geese brought down a US Airways aircraft, here’s what you won’t be hearing about from the so-called “Mainstream Media”: We brought this on ourselves.

After an event such as this one, it’s important to look at the root causes: Why did the Geese attack us? Well, the truth is, for years we have been oppressing the Geese, using them for the fuel they provide for our bodies.

Boneless Goose Breast, Brandied Roast Goose, Roast Goose with Cumberland Sauce and Apricot Stuffing. And of course, the Christmas Goose. In the name of religion, we have been engaged in what can only be called a Crusade against the Geese. Is it any wonder that a few brave suicide Geese would seek revenge?

Under the neocon/neofascist Cheney-Bush administration, Goose consumption is up 1541%. Geese have been systematically deprived of their rights at a level never seen before. (Look around your workplace: do you see any Geese? Wouldn’t you be nervous if you did?) Reports of shameful anti-Goose activity are at an all-time high, mainly in the South and Midwest, of course.

The fact is, WE (and, of course, Israel) are responsible for the rise of militant Gooslam. Given our actions, is it any wonder that gaggles of Goslings would reject the teachings of moderate Goose leaders, when those leaders are perceived as being in the pocket of the West? Given our actions, is it any wonder that these young Gooslamists would flock to more assertive leaders, leaders whose commitment to their cause cannot be questioned? Given our actions, the rise of a “Goosama” was inevitable. We have only ourselves to blame. (Does anyone doubt that somewhere there’s a photo of Donald Rumsfeld shaking hands with a Goose?)

In the moments right after 1-15, many have been quick to praise the actions of the US Airways pilot. But the TRUTH is that our pilots have been instruments of the BUSHITLER illegal war against the Geese. I know the Repuglicans will attack me for saying this, but speaking TRUTH TO POWER of course makes me a true PATRIOT. And very brave.

Right now America’s relationship with other species couldn’t be worse. Like most Americans, often when I’m hiking I find myself apologizing to woodland creatures for the actions of our illegitimate government. And like the rest of the world, I’m hopeful that once President Obama takes office, things will change, and that we will end our imperialistic attempts at hegemony over the rest of the planet. After all, if he can sit down with Iran and Hezbollah, he can sit down with the Geese.

I got just one thing to say...

150 Rustler  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 3:14:43am

re: #143 Bubblehead II Not quite but we had one Moonbat who basically said he'd rather have another 9/11 than the current financial crisis of Bush's making.

151 Pietr  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 3:19:36am

re: #149 Dustyvet

I share those sentiments, Dustyvet...and with that said. this young/old lizard will seek his warm sandy nest. G'Nite/Morning lol, Dusty, Fenway, Spare, logboy, and anyone lurking...these old bones want a warm bed...

152 TheMatrix31  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 3:20:30am

The inauguration is going to cost $160 million according to F&F.

Holy cow.

153 Pietr  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 3:21:15am

re: #150 Rustler

Not quite but we had one Moonbat who basically said he'd rather have another 9/11 than the current financial crisis of Bush's making.

That was on the GWB Farewell thread, Rustler...just saying...

154 Bubblehead II  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 3:21:37am

They do not want peace. They make this point clear on a daily basis. Yet the Israeli Government continues to believe there can be peace. Why?

Hamas insists it will continue battle

Hamas reiterated its determination to continue its attacks against Israel despite the possibility of an Israeli cabinet decision on Saturday night to accept a unilateral cease-fire after three weeks of fighting in the Gaza Strip.

155 Bubblehead II  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 3:23:59am

re: #150 Rustler

IIRC, didn't that asshat make the same comment earlier on the late evening/early mornining dead thread?

156 mean Gene  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 3:25:41am

Just thought I'd mention:
Al Jazeera just showed a man in green scrubs holding a mask with a big bulb over a person's face and for over 30 seconds he never squeezed the bulb to force air into the person.
More fake ''medical care?"
Wouldn't he be suffocating the person if the person were alive?

157 Spare O'Lake  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 3:27:05am

I see that a synagogue was hit today by a Hamas missile.
Yet the Israeli Cabinet meets today to approve a unilateral ceasefire by Israel.
*slits wrists*

158 Pietr  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 3:27:12am

I'd like to direct all to the below listed thread. It says much. I'd ask you don't upding it, but find another thread this poster has made-no point in calling attention-loose lips, sink ships, know what I mean...'nite again.

re: #75 Render

159 cagney  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 3:32:06am

Found an interesting although long article about the comparisons between President Obama and Tony Blair. Although written from a British perspective, it does give an insight into what to expect:

[Link: www.spectator.co.uk...]

"On the eve of Barack Obama’s inauguration, James Delingpole says that the President-elect is horribly reminiscent of Tony Blair in 1997. He may be a fantastic guy, and look great, but he will bring a ragbag of scuzzballs, communists and eco-loons to power with him"

160 Pietr  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 3:33:21am

re: #158 Pietr

Now You know why I'm seeking warm sand-calling a post a thred...Sheesh...L8Trs

161 Spare O'Lake  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 3:35:04am

re: #154 Bubblehead II

Yet the Israeli Government continues to believe there can be peace. Why?

Tzipi and Condi kissed yesterday...all will be well.

*projectile vomit hits wall*/

162 Rustler  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 3:40:10am

re: #153 Pietr
thats right my bad that was the bush thread.

163 Rustler  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 3:42:10am

Sorry the ID thread just had someone Godwin themselves.

164 freetoken  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 3:45:37am

re: #159 cagney

The US is not the UK, and the political system is sufficiently different that I doubt a strong parallel can be drawn between Obama and Blair.

165 Rustler  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 3:47:01am

re: #164 freetoken At least until Obama rewrites the constitution.

166 Rustler  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 4:09:29am

Did I scare off the hamsters?

167 Tamron  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 4:10:39am

US COAST GUARD VIDEO OF US AIR FLIGHT 1549 LANDING ON THE HUDSON RIVER.

--The first ferry boat reached them in about 3 minutes.
.

168 akak  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 4:11:55am

re: #157 Spare O'Lake

I see that a synagogue was hit today by a Hamas missile.
Yet the Israeli Cabinet meets today to approve a unilateral ceasefire by Israel.
*slits wrists*

The Obama ceasefire, he's a failure before day one!

169 goddessoftheclassroom  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 4:14:43am

Good morning, Lizards.

170 Rustler  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 4:15:08am

re: #169 goddessoftheclassroom Morning teach.

171 Bubblehead II  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 4:16:36am

re: #166 Rustler

Nah, just reading the news and doing general web surfing.

For any Type II Diabetics out there. Did you know Cinnamon has the potential to help control your blood glucose?

The active ingredient in cinnamon includes the chemical hydroxychalcone, which might enhance the effect of insulin.

172 Bubblehead II  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 4:17:09am

re: #169 goddessoftheclassroom

Morning goddess.

173 Rustler  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 4:23:11am

re: #171 Bubblehead II Coming soon Non flavor-based Cinnamon additives to all candies and sodas.

174 goddessoftheclassroom  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 4:25:43am

{Rustler}
{Bubblehead II}

I'm teaching as SAT prep course this morning (another teacher does the math part). I really like it, but it makes for a LONG week!

175 Rustler  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 4:26:37am

///Obama's inaugural speech will be "Don't ask what you can do for your country ask what your country is going to do to you." Short sweet and to the point.

176 Rustler  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 4:27:16am

re: #174 goddessoftheclassroom
Get those test scores up there Goddess.

177 goddessoftheclassroom  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 4:29:15am

re: #176 Rustler

Get those test scores up there Goddess.

Oh, I take a great deal of pride in my students' improvement!

178 Rustler  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 4:29:55am

I'm impressed but someone has way to much time on their hands. Legobama

179 Bubblehead II  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 4:33:18am

re: #174 goddessoftheclassroom

What subject(s) are you teaching?

180 goddessoftheclassroom  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 4:35:12am

re: #179 Bubblehead II

What subject(s) are you teaching?

For the prep class, critical reading and writing/grammar.

181 Empire1  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 4:37:53am

Good morning, all, from a very cold Delaware. It's up to 1.8 F from 1.2 earlier, and only going up to around 22 today. That's not bad compared to what the poor folks in the Midwest have been getting, but for this area, it's COLD! This is an old farmhouse, no heat upstairs, so it was an every-quilt-in-the-house night, with one of those earflap fuzzy hats for good measure ...

182 Rustler  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 4:39:06am

re: #181 Empire1
Thats why I love my electric Blanket I hate drowning in blankets.

183 Shiplord Kirel  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 4:39:32am

re: #167 Tamron

US COAST GUARD VIDEO OF US AIR FLIGHT 1549 LANDING ON THE HUDSON RIVER.

--The first ferry boat reached them in about 3 minutes.
.

Fantastic! I haven't seen this yet. The ferry captain wasted no time getting there.

The closest I ever got to ditching was when I auto-rotated an H-model Huey into the parking lot of an A&P supermarket near Gastonia North Carolina. The transmission had gone out, with much grinding and some ominous burning smells, leaving us with an operating engine but a freewheeling rotor. The area was hilly and wooded, so I was sweating blood looking for a clear spot other than the interstate highway that ran through the area. I had about decided to land on the highway and risk the traffic when I spotted the parking lot. The landing was not a sterling example of the Right Stuff, I regret to say. We thumped down and the four of us on board exited the machine in some haste.

The first person to arrive was not an all-can-do NYC ferry captain, of course, but a local who bore a startling resemblance to Junior Samples of HeeHaw fame, right down to the bib overalls. He looked at us goggle-eyed from the cab of his pickup and drawled, "Whut're you boys doin' landin' a heelicopter at the goshery store?" I was more than a little tense, to say the least, and I thought it was the dumbest thing I had ever heard. I wanted to say, "We crashed here, you moron, what does it look like?" but thought better of it and said, "Well don't tell anyone but we're having a picnic over yonder and we dropped by for more beer and potato chips." He put his pickup in gear and drove off. He might have believed me for all I know. The store manager and a mob of customers, employees, gawkers, and passers-by arrived about then, followed closely by what seemed like all the firetrucks and ambulances in both the Carolinas, none of which were necessary. The NC Highway Patrol was great and soon had things sorted out. We returned to Ft. Rucker by commercial air, while a crew retrieved the disabled chopper with a flatbed trailer.

184 goddessoftheclassroom  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 4:40:04am

Got to run--have a great day!

185 lifeofthemind  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 4:40:37am

Good morning, WIFI is unhappy so I'm looking in from my BBerry. Is Israel swallowing another Hudna? Any news?

Israel should demand "Peace" and fight until they get it.

186 Bubblehead II  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 4:40:51am

re: #180 goddessoftheclassroom

Ahhh, core classes for participating in the threads here at LGF.

Any empty chairs?

187 Empire1  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 4:42:31am

re: #182 Rustler

Thats why I love my electric Blanket I hate drowning in blankets.

I'll stick with the quilts -- need the electrical outlet for my lamp and space heater. It's up to 2.1 now ...

188 Bubblehead II  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 4:45:27am

Things to do. bbiab.

189 Rustler  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 4:46:52am

Blocking the phone from 10PM til 3PM wont help much bud. 17000 text messages in a month means no more phone in my book. [Link: www.cnn.com...]

190 Rustler  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 4:47:58am

re: #189 Rustler

Especially since she should be asleep sometime between 10 and midnight and in school from what is it nowadays 8am-3pm?

191 Rustler  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 4:53:46am

14528 according to this one, however below the story are a bunch of teens bragging about it not being any sort of record as they routinely break 17 and even 26k texts in a month.

192 Spare O'Lake  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 4:55:39am

Israeli Cabinet is about to meet. Here is my take on the logical consequences of a unilateral cease fire before the missiles have stopped.

1. Israel declares a unilateral ceasefire. Hamas declares victory.
2. Hamas keeps firing daily missiles and repeats its conditions for a ceasefire, which include Israeli withdrawal from Gaza and reopening of border crossings.
3. Israeli troops withdraw from Gaza while missiles keep falling on Israeli civilians. Israel warns Hamas against continuing the missile attacks. Hamas declares victory.
4. Egypt refuses to officially reopen the Rafah border crossing. Missiles keep falling on Israel while smuggling tunnels are rebuilt by Hamas. Hamas declares victory.
5. MSM reports Hamas victory and floods airwaves with images of death and destruction caused by Israel.
6. Ahmadinejad undergoes emergency surgery to repair a busted gut ...from laughing so hard.

Say it ain't so, Joe.

193 Empire1  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 4:57:38am

re: #192 Spare O'Lake

That sounds entirely too plausible, I'm afraid. :(

194 shanec99  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 5:02:47am

re: #114 Pietr

While looking at a house, my brother asked the estate agent which direction was north because, he explained, he didn't want the sun waking him up every morning. She asked, 'Does the sun rise in the north?' When my brother explained that the sun rises in the east, and has for sometime, she shook her head and said, 'Oh, I don't keep up with that stuff'

***They Walk Among Us!***
--- ---

My colleague and I were eating our lunch in our cafeteria, when we overheard one of the administrative assistants talking about the sunburn she got on her weekend drive to the beach. She drove down in a convertible, but 'didn't think she'd get sunburned because the car was moving'.

***They Walk Among Us!***
--- ---


My sister has a lifesaving tool in her car it's designed to cut through a seat belt if she gets trapped. She keeps it in the trunk.

***They Walk Among Us!***
--- ---

I was hanging out with a friend when we saw a woman with a nose ring attached to an earring by a chain. My friend said, 'Wouldn't the chain rip out every time she turned her head?' I had to explain that a person's nose and ear remain the same distance apart no matter which way the head is turned...

***They Walk Among Us! ***
--- ---

I couldn't find my luggage at the airport baggage area. So I went to the lost luggage office and told the woman there that my bags never showed up. She smiled and told me not to worry because she was a trained professional and I was in good hands. 'Now,' she asked me, 'Has your plane arrived yet?'...
(I work with professionals like this.)

***They Walk Among Us!***
--- ---

While working at a pizza parlour I observed a man ordering a small pizza to go. He appeared to be alone and the cook asked him if he would like it cut into 4 pieces or 6. He thought about it for some time before responding. 'Just cut it into 4 pieces; I don't think I'm hungry enough to eat 6 pieces.

***Yep, They Walk Among Us, too.!

Sadly, not only do they walk among us, they also reproduce !

My ole granny from Jamaica used to say: "You never live to be old if you are a fool, but the problem is that the fools breed young and prolifically!"

195 ayatollah ghilmeini  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 5:13:43am

Unilateral Cease Fire

What usually happens when you stop shooting at a committed enemy is you stop shooting and they keep right on shooting.

So why is there the slightest chance the cease-fire might work? Because Hamas in Gaza is expected to cease fire even if their leaders in Damascus are still shooting imaginary rockets from their brains. Now only time will tell if this is true. When the cease fire goes into effect, Hamas can be expected to fire off a few last rockets to show they can still read the inner meaning of the Koran and Israel might even not do much when they do. The reason is Hamas in Gaza knows they need to get the Israelis out of GAZA ASAP before their own people kill them. At this moment Gaza has no functioning government of any kind.

There is no structure and there is no leadership. It is not clear that Hamas has any ability to govern and her top leaders, Zahar and Haniyeh are not very popular people right now. They may find exile more comfortable than their constituents "gratitude" for getting Gaza ruined by this war.

Pictures do not lie, Gaza, over the years did have some development, there were dozens of tall buildings in Gaza and tens of thousands of other structures and most of them have suffered damage in the war and there have been many hundreds, if not thousands, destroyed. And then there are the lives lost. How can anyone not feel for the Palestinian Doctor, a neonatal specialist, who lost three daughters to a tank shell, he just lost his wife to leukemia a few months back. This man was no raver for Hamas and worked closely with Israeli medical experts to get the best medicine for his people. Morally, we know that his loss is all Hamas' fault but that should not stop us from knowing the real suffering of others; war solves some things but destroys lives and souls along the way. This morning a rocket crashed through the roof of a Synagogue in South Israel, a cease-fire may happen but the dream of peace is a million miles away.

And this brings us to the notion of the real disproportionality in this war. The sheer anger and outrage of Hamas supporters and the vicious anti-Jewish violence of deeds and words is the most remarkable display of fascist immorality since Hitler. Hitler raved and blamed the Jews for all and so do the folks who are so concerned about Islamic lives and Islam's reputation that they are perfectly happy to assault Jews and police or pay midnight visits to desecrate Synagogues but are utterly silent about the deaths of hundreds of thousands of Muslims killed by their fellow coreligionists in Iraq, Algeria and Darfur. Not one protest. No public comment. Nada, zip, nuthin'. In the course of defending herself and militarily defeating a force of over 25,000 armed psychoticsHamas men, an act perfectly within her right to do, a few hundred civilians have indeed been killed. It is, of course, irrelevant to them that hundreds of Israelis were killed or injured over the years by indiscriminate war-crime rocketry but let Israel defend herself and its Auschwitz, genocide and Hitler. They don't want to hear about open well-stocked fruit markets or blown up Jewish homes. Their anger and rage, powered by willful ignorance and hate is the new reality. This is disproportionality, it is pure definitional projection of their own despicable beliefs. But all with a difference: these fascists are rising not just to defend their beloved fellow Muslim Brotherhood fascists, they are rising up to attack Jews world wide. This is the face of the New Beast. This is how they act when Hamas is attacked, what will they do if the war spreads to Iran or inevitably, Lebanon?

Israel may stop shooting in Gaza but this war is just getting started.

Gilad Shalit, you will come home.

196 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 5:17:50am

Hey, I only have 15 minutes. What's up?

197 Rustler  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 5:21:59am

re: #196 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Not much FBV slow night Gazacam died, Israel is feeling the pressure for a ceasefire, And 3 days til the earth stands still.

198 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 5:22:19am

re: #196 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Hey, I only have 15 minutes. What's up?

Well, if everybody waits for 15 minutes, I'll go away.

Boo Hoo!

199 Rustler  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 5:22:49am

re: #198 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Haha damn I knew I shoulda just waited.

200 Rustler  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 5:24:13am

re: #195 ayatollah ghilmeini Hate to reign on your parade but I beleive Gilad Shalit is very likely not coming home in anything but a box.

201 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 5:24:30am

re: #199 Rustler

Haha damn I knew I shoulda just waited.

HA!

Hey Israel!? DON'T.

Brevity, and all that.

202 Rustler  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 5:25:44am

re: #201 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Yeah Israel needs to keep the conflict going long enough for Hamas to be removed from Gaza.

203 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 5:27:11am

re: #202 Rustler

Hey, it's just you and me. Let's take over the MF'ing thread.

Oh, we already have.

You at work?

204 Rustler  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 5:28:20am

re: #203 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Yeah for another 30 minutes.

205 ayatollah ghilmeini  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 5:28:57am

Saving lives

In one case, a soldier sustained five gunshots to the chest, but none penetrated due to the extra body armor.

206 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 5:29:27am

re: #204 Rustler

Well, I have three appointments today to see people about remodeling their kitchens. Woo Hoo! Business has sucked lately. Turns around TODAY!

On that note, gotta run! Hold down the fort until someone gets here.

207 Rustler  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 5:30:06am

Had a really good lolcats of a polar bear chasing someone to eliminate their carbon Footprint I was gonna make my avatar but for some odd reason it's tagged no edit so I can't add the Al Gore name tag to back of jacket and convert it to appropriate format to use as Avatar as its a BMP.

208 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 5:30:24am

re: #205 ayatollah ghilmeini

Boy, that would still hurt like a monster.

209 Rustler  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 5:30:27am

re: #206 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Later and be safe GL on hte remodels.

210 shanec99  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 5:34:26am

re: #200 Rustler

Hate to reign on your parade but I beleive Gilad Shalit is very likely not coming home in anything but a box.

I keep hoping that the opinion you expressed is wrong, but deep down inside I know that you are right.
These are the same people who have murdered innocent children in Pizza parlors over the year, by sending thier chilren into the restaurants with bombs strapped to their abdomens.
They cannot feed themselves, they make no important contributions to medicine, literature or the arts. The only thing they lead the world in is vicious murder and unrestrained mayhem. Hate and murder are the only thing that they excell at.
If an Israeli Soldier after years of captivity at the hands of these murderers were to survive, then it would seem that they are losing their enthusiasm at murder, the only activity that they have led the world in.

211 shanec99  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 5:35:29am

re: #203 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Hey, it's just you and me. Let's take over the MF'ing thread.

Oh, we already have.

You at work?

looks like at least 4 of us.

212 Rustler  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 5:36:23am

re: #205 ayatollah ghilmeini

Ouch not a bad grouping for an AK on that Chicken Plate either. The poor soldier whose vest that was likely has a small plate sized bruise.

213 Rustler  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 5:37:54am

re: #210 shanec99
I hope every day I'm wrong too but I'm unable to give the monsters who kidnapped him credit for keeping him alive. Especially since the airstrikes started and Hamas stated they are no longer Concerning themselves with keeping him safe.

214 [deleted]  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 5:38:19am
215 Rustler  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 5:40:17am
The IDF Medical Corps has also been using new state-of-the-art medical equipment to treat wounds. One device incorporated into field units is "QuikClot Combat Gauze," which uses a hemostatic agent that coagulates blood. It replaces the "personal bandage" long issued to every IDF soldier upon induction.

Quick clot is the aerosol bandage with the Clotting agent?

216 Geepers  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 5:40:20am

Iron Fist (#214),

Allah must really hate that guy.

217 shanec99  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 5:40:29am

re: #213 Rustler

I hope every day I'm wrong too but I'm unable to give the monsters who kidnapped him credit for keeping him alive. Especially since the airstrikes started and Hamas stated they are no longer Concerning themselves with keeping him safe.

I suspect that he has been dead for quite some time, well before 27 December.

Those murderers have no compassion... heavens, remember that they starp bombs to thier children and send them to their deaths all the while hoping that they will kill other people's kids.

218 shanec99  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 5:42:06am

re: #215 Rustler

Quick clot is the aerosol bandage with the Clotting agent?


No it is a material containing chitin that helps to stop bleeding from a severe wound and prevent shock and exanguination.

219 Rustler  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 5:43:13am

Saw this story and thought wow Hamas is taking Gilad to Egypt to try and encourage peace but wrong Gilad. Gilad returns from Egypt Peace talks. Was gonna say thats ripe for an Israeli rescue attempt.

220 Rustler  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 5:44:47am

re: #218 shanec99
Ahh ok. When I was leaving the Military I recall having seen some funky aerosol cans that deployed a foam like material with anti clotting agents was wondering if thats what it finally got named.

221 Cathypop  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 5:48:39am

Hello? Is anyone awake?

222 shanec99  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 5:48:41am

re: #219 Rustler

Saw this story and thought wow Hamas is taking Gilad to Egypt to try and encourage peace but wrong Gilad. Gilad returns from Egypt Peace talks. Was gonna say thats ripe for an Israeli rescue attempt.

We have now confirmed that these leaders excell at:
Rape
Murder
Hiding under burquas to escape justice
Lying
Cowardly conduct in combat

I sincerley hope that all of our enemies will behave like them. It would make it easy to justify war against them.

223 Rustler  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 5:48:47am

CNN was asking the question why did the Hudson crash occur so fast. I was telling the TV well when you have a plane that heavily loaded lose both engines on take off it kinda won't stay in the air long.

224 Rustler  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 5:49:10am

re: #221 Cathypop
Barely.

225 Cathypop  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 5:51:09am

re: #223 Rustler

CNN was asking the question why did the Hudson crash occur so fast. I was telling the TV well when you have a plane that heavily loaded lose both engines on take off it kinda won't stay in the air long.


And what was the TVs reply?

226 cagney  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 5:51:53am

re: #164 freetoken

The US is not the UK, and the political system is sufficiently different that I doubt a strong parallel can be drawn between Obama and Blair.

Obama won't have the same effect in the US as Blair had in the UK due to the fact that Blair's tenure had continued economic growth which kept the populace 'fat,dumb and happy' while they went about their destructive socialist ways.

The article is British-centric and is trying to draw parallels between Obama and Blair in how Blair did and how Obama will get away with their socialist policies. I did not post this article to try and draw parallels with the two politicians or between the US and the UK, I did it because I have got a great respect for America and don't want to see the way it has went over here.

While the US and UK political systems are different it doesn't help to see if there is any lessons to be learned to be able to deal with Obama and the 'power behind the throne' that is the real danger?

227 Rustler  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 5:52:27am

re: #225 Cathypop
Damn thing changed the subject commercials then to PEBO.

228 realwest  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 5:52:36am

Good morning y'all - from a frigid (11 degrees when I woke up, now 13) bright and sunny Charlotte! How is everyone today?

229 shanec99  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 5:53:35am

Here is what the MSM says: "Damascus-based Hamas leader Khaled Mashaal claimed on Thursday that Israel "has not broken Hamas" and "has not broken the resistance." He asserted that not a single Hamas rocket launcher had been hit and said more Israelis had been killed than Hamas operatives in the three weeks of fighting."
Since we all know that the Palestinians are honest... why is the MSM angry at Isreal?

230 Rustler  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 5:53:47am

re: #228 realwest
Morning RW.

231 Rustler  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 5:54:50am

re: #229 shanec99
///Cause only 6 Hamas Agents have died the other 1k plus Palestinian deaths are innocent women and children.

232 realwest  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 5:55:15am

re: #230 Rustler
Morning back Rustler - you still on duty? I thought Rancher came on in the morning?

233 Rustler  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 5:55:22am

re: #228 realwest
I bet your really enjoying the Globull warming.

234 shanec99  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 5:55:47am

re: #220 Rustler
[Link: www.sciencentral.com...]
Read this, it will answer your question. I carried it when I was in Iraq, didnt use it, but what I have seen in taped demonstrations indicates that it is great at stopping bleeding.
Heard it can cause burn though.

235 Cathypop  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 5:56:09am

re: #231 Rustler

///Cause only 6 Hamas Agents have died the other 1k plus Palestinian deaths are innocent women and children.

And that is 1k less sheilds they can use to protect themselves

236 realwest  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 5:56:24am

re: #229 shanec99
Good morning shanec99! They are angry at Israel because Israel still exists. They don't need no other stinking excuses!

237 Rustler  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 5:56:31am

re: #232 realwest Rancher started back working at the prison so he's off most weekends unless they need him to put in some overtime. He may be up soon and my shift doesn't end for 5 more minutes. Well if relief gets here.

238 [deleted]  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 5:56:48am
239 realwest  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 5:58:07am

re: #233 Rustler
Oh yeah, I'm really enjoying the fact that I moved to the Southland three years ago and this is the coldest winter in DECADES down here.
Damn, these buildings weren't insulated with cold temperatures in mind!
How's it by you?

240 shanec99  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 5:58:45am

re: #236 realwest

Good morning shanec99! They are angry at Israel because Israel still exists. They don't need no other stinking excuses!


I think that you might be on to something there.

241 Rustler  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 5:58:54am

re: #234 shanec99
Ahh nice seems better than any sort of foam based bandage.

242 Empire1  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 5:59:09am

re: #221 Cathypop

Hello? Is anyone awake?

Yep, I'm awake and around -- just trying to catch up on the ID threads I missed overnight. I'm gettin' old ... I actually have to

sleep

at night!

Also waiting for the temp to go up enough that using hot water to melt drinking holes in the pond ice for the birds won't be a total waste of time.

243 quickjustice  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 6:01:20am

re: #183 Shiplord Kirel

I was in a doctor's office five blocks away when the Airbus ditched into the Hudson. As I left, there were emergency vehicles (fire trucks, police cars, etc.) heading towards the river, sirens and lights going.

NYC has water-borne assets that enabled rapid rescue. I'm not sure anywhere else could have gotten people off as quickly.

244 Cathypop  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 6:01:25am

re: #242 Empire1

at night!

Also waiting for the temp to go up enough that using hot water to melt drinking holes in the pond ice for the birds won't be a total waste of time.


That is one hell of a way to get moving in the morning.

245 Rustler  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 6:03:26am

re: #239 realwest
Yeah cold weather in Dixie isn't really expected or planned for. Weather is Decent here we are above freezing and it's nice and clear.

246 realwest  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 6:04:13am

re: #240 shanec99
Sadly I think I'm right. I can practically hear what passes for thinking at editorial boards across the world: "Who do those Jews think they are? They are given the tiny, arid patch of shitty land, turn it into a garden spot, fight five wars, each against combined armies from Arab states and win them all, win more Nobel prizes in science than any other nation except the US, win more prizes in Medical research than any other nation in the world other than the US, and there's only FOUR MILLION OF THEM. The nerve of those bastards!"
something ike that (h/t TFK).

247 Rustler  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 6:04:24am

Relief here shift over time to leave all be safe.

248 shanec99  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 6:05:14am

re: #241 Rustler

Ahh nice seems better than any sort of foam based bandage.


Yes it is... there is also another impressive product that I carried in Iraq, that I fortunately did not use:
[Link: www.hemcon.com...]
wonderful... and it was by all reports easy to use. I never had to use it though.

249 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 6:05:49am

Hi All!

Another working Saturday for me, Zionist Honcho and Rooster Booster, doing my part for the glorious new collective.

What's up?

250 realwest  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 6:07:14am

re: #249 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret) Hey, good morning LT! Shame you have to work on such a sunny, balmy day! How are you?

251 realwest  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 6:07:42am

re: #247 Rustler
Take it easy Rustler, be safe yourself!

252 BBev  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 6:10:31am

re: #236 realwest

Good morning shanec99! They are angry at Israel because Israel still exists. They don't need no other stinking excuses!

Good mornin real on this VERY cold morning -6 with a wind chill -20.

253 realwest  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 6:10:58am

re: #248 shanec99
Wow. I tell ya my friend, medical science has come a long way in many respects, but those two that you linked to are phenomenal!
All we had were those gauze bandages: apply pressure, elevate the feet, cover with blanket (for shock) pray like hell. I suspect the praying like hell still goes on, as does treatment for shock, but those products that actually CLOT the wound have probably saved a lot of lives. Thank God.

254 realwest  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 6:12:26am

re: #252 BBev
MINUS 6 degrees? (I'm ignoring windchill cause I wouldn't go out in that weather for anything short of a true medical emergency). Good Lord!
How are ya - other than cold, I mean?

255 Empire1  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 6:12:49am

re: #244 Cathypop

That is one hell of a way to get moving in the morning.

Ehhh ... we have a flock of sparrows what lives under the deck in the winter. I feed them (and any passers-by, like the juncos), and they tend to climb down the pump wires to get to the water in the pond to drink. When it freezes over like it has the last couple of nights, I melt the area around the wires. My pond and the landlady's are the only water for at least a quarter mile, so I kinda feel obligated to my feathered guests.

256 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 6:12:54am

re: #250 realwest

Hey, good morning LT! Shame you have to work on such a sunny, balmy day! How are you?

Yeah, I was just thinking about talking the kids to the beach and just lounging in the sun...ahem.

Doing good. Yourself?

Watched that cruel bitch Nature in action yesterday. Sqiurrel must have fallen out of a neighbor's tree and broke its back. I saw the poor little thing laying there unable to get up, twitching its tail and lifting its chest and head up with its front legs.

Chose not to go over there and put it out of its misery because it was not on my property.

He struggled for a while and finally froze over.

/moral: Tree huggers and Gias worshippers need to go see the real thing more often. No compassion there, at all.

257 shanec99  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 6:13:03am

re: #246 realwest

Sadly I think I'm right. I can practically hear what passes for thinking at editorial boards across the world: "Who do those Jews think they are? They are given the tiny, arid patch of shitty land, turn it into a garden spot, fight five wars, each against combined armies from Arab states and win them all, win more Nobel prizes in science than any other nation except the US, win more prizes in Medical research than any other nation in the world other than the US, and there's only FOUR MILLION OF THEM. The nerve of those bastards!"
something ike that (h/t TFK).


The conclusion I have come to is that Journalists are intellectually lazy people.
They focus on ideology and slavishly advance a position even if the logical and available evidence demonstrates the absurdity of their arguments.
They do not tolerate dissent, and will attempt to silence and ruin those people who dare to question their arguments or agendas.
Journalists are parasites who benefit from a free society while doing their utmost to aid the efforts of those who would undermine the efforts of millions that have labored in the search of freedom and died in an effort to preserve justice and protect the weak.

258 BBev  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 6:13:46am

re: #254 realwest

MINUS 6 degrees? (I'm ignoring windchill cause I wouldn't go out in that weather for anything short of a true medical emergency). Good Lord!
How are ya - other than cold, I mean?

I'm doing well, the wife is going in for tests for that pump implant in 2 weeks.

How are you?

259 BBev  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 6:15:00am

Realwest. BTW when I left the house this morning 5 am it was -20 air temp.-36 wind chill

260 shanec99  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 6:16:14am

re: #253 realwest

Wow. I tell ya my friend, medical science has come a long way in many respects, but those two that you linked to are phenomenal!
All we had were those gauze bandages: apply pressure, elevate the feet, cover with blanket (for shock) pray like hell. I suspect the praying like hell still goes on, as does treatment for shock, but those products that actually CLOT the wound have probably saved a lot of lives. Thank God.


Yep... many a silent prayers are said, many tears are cried and many letters are written home about patriots who continue an unbroken thread that joins them to the patriots throughout American history who she blood while they resisted petty tyrants and murderers.

261 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 6:16:44am

re: #259 BBev

Realwest. BTW when I left the house this morning 5 am it was -20 air temp.-36 wind chill

Good golly... Its 14 in the sunny state of Illinois. I feel lucky.

/maybe I will go to the beach.

262 Spare O'Lake  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 6:17:00am
"Hamas reiterated its determination to continue its attacks against Israel despite the possibility of an Israeli cabinet decision on Saturday night to accept a unilateral cease-fire after three weeks of fighting in the Gaza Strip.

In Cairo, Beirut-based Osama Hamdan declared that the group's delegation arriving in Egypt has "nothing new to offer. We are not going to go back to the first point in the discussions and dialogue. Either we hear what we want or the result will be continuing the confrontation on the ground."

Hamdan said Hamas has a clear vision that includes ending the "aggression," a withdrawal of Israeli forces, an end to the siege and opening of the crossings.

"If any vision does not achieve these things, then we will continue in the battle on the ground," he said."
[Link: www.jpost.com...]

What part of the consistently and clearly articulated Hamas position do the Israelis not understand?
If the Israelis feel a need to declare a unilateral ceasefire in order to test whether Hamas means what it is clearly saying, and to try to placate the UN/EU/MSM, then so be it.
But they should make it clear in advance that if even one missile is launched into Israel after the ceasefire is announced, Israel shall immediately resume and redouble its military campaign until Hamas is utterly eliminated.

263 realwest  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 6:17:40am

re: #255 Empire1
You are a truly good person to do that for those birds.
Just hadda say that.

264 BBev  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 6:18:16am

re: #261 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

Good golly... Its 14 in the sunny state of Illinois. I feel lucky.

/maybe I will go to the beach.

I'm using the dog as a heat blanket

265 ciaospirit  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 6:19:11am

It's warmer here today. -1 instead of -5.

266 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 6:19:34am

re: #264 BBev

I'm using the dog as a heat blanket

Was it a... three dog night?

/duck

267 realwest  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 6:20:20am

re: #256 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret) Shit. I tell's ya LT, my property or not, I'd a gone over there and put it out of it's misery. But I didn't think that ever happened to squirrels - falling out of trees and breaking their backs; I dunno, for some reason I thought they'd be more like cats - always land right side up.

268 realwest  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 6:21:22am

re: #257 shanec99
Just hadda upding ya for

Journalists are parasites who benefit from a free society while doing their utmost to aid the efforts of those who would undermine the efforts of millions that have labored in the search of freedom and died in an effort to preserve justice and protect the weak.

because that quote is SO spot on.

269 BBev  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 6:22:11am

re: #266 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

Was it a... three dog night?

/duck

Well with both my dogs they equal 16 lbs. I think my body has sucked all the heat out of them

270 realwest  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 6:22:49am

re: #258 BBev
Well I'm cold but compared to you and to your wife, I'm doing just great, thanks!
I truly wish you both good luck and will be sending up more prayers for each of you.

271 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 6:22:52am

re: #267 realwest

Shit. I tell's ya LT, my property or not, I'd a gone over there and put it out of it's misery. But I didn't think that ever happened to squirrels - falling out of trees and breaking their backs; I dunno, for some reason I thought they'd be more like cats - always land right side up.

Yeah, you are probably right. I felt bad about not finishing the poor thing off.

Falling was the easiest guess... dunno if it is accurate.

272 winston06  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 6:22:57am

Good afternoon from Turkey. I just arrived here.

Btw, Youtube is banned here. couldnt access it. Awful place!

273 BBev  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 6:23:07am

I really miss this guy

Ronald Reagan

274 Ayatollah Ghilmeini  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 6:23:15am

re: #200 Rustler

Hate to reign on your parade but I beleive Gilad Shalit is very likely not coming home in anything but a box.

I never count out hope until their is none. Everyone holding him knows they have choice- if they kill him they will die, if he lives they get a pass out of Gaza instead of life in prison.

You are right it will take a miracle to save him. the nature of the men who took him is such that his live has hung by a thread for 2.5 years. But no matter how he comes back, he will come back. That is the nature of the Israeli army where every single soldier matters.

275 shanec99  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 6:23:36am

re: #262 Spare O'Lake

It is quite difficult to eradicate a malevolent ideology committed to hate and dedicated to the murder of an entire race of people.
But just because it is difficult does not justify not attempting it.
Israel must vigorously be supported in her efforts to protect herself from agencies, movements and governments that are united in their goal of murdering every Jew who refuses to submit to their domination.

276 BBev  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 6:23:40am

re: #270 realwest

Well I'm cold but compared to you and to your wife, I'm doing just great, thanks!
I truly wish you both good luck and will be sending up more prayers for each of you.

Thank You.

277 Nevergiveup  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 6:23:45am

Good morning all. It is cold here in NJ. I have to work today, but got an early start. So I have already done 2 Root Canals and 1 Crown.

278 realwest  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 6:24:28am

re: #260 shanec99

many a silent prayers are said, many tears are cried and many letters are written home about patriots who continue an unbroken thread that joins them to the patriots throughout American history who she blood while they resisted petty tyrants and murderers.

Amen.

279 ciaospirit  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 6:24:55am

MSNBC is an objective news organization. And everything BHO does helps America. Don't you dare say otherwise or Screwball on Screwball won't tingle.

NEW YORK -- President-elect Barack Obama is on his way to the big screen, thanks to a deal between MSNBC and Screenvision that will put the news channel's inaugural coverage in 27 theaters around the country.

Free tickets are being handed out via MSNBC.com to see the inauguration and parade from 11 a.m.-3:30 p.m. ET at the 27 theaters run by 11 exhibitor partners in 21 markets. Midday Tuesday isn't necessarily a big movie time, so it helps to fill the theater -- and boost popcorn and soda sales -- at a time when it's not usually busy.

280 shanec99  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 6:25:10am

re: #268 realwest

Just hadda upding ya for


because that quote is SO spot on.

Then my friend, it appears that we agree on a lot.

281 Cathypop  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 6:25:22am

re: #273 BBev

I really miss this guy

Ronald Reagan


You can see Carter and his wife do not look to happy.

282 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 6:25:29am

re: #273 BBev

I really miss this guy

Ronald Reagan

You'll miss him even more after Tuesday. I plan on being drunk.

283 Nevergiveup  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 6:25:59am

Qatar, Mauritania cut ties with Israel

[Link: www.jpost.com...]

Sauron announces Mordor also considering cutting ties with Israel?

284 realwest  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 6:26:02am

re: #261 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret) 14?! 14 degrees in Illinois?! It's only fucking 13 degrees here in the sunny Southland of N.C. and our cousin's in Tennessee are even colder than that!

285 Nevergiveup  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 6:27:16am

re: #284 realwest

14?! 14 degrees in Illinois?! It's only fucking 13 degrees here in the sunny Southland of N.C. and our cousin's in Tennessee are even colder than that!


My car read -1 when I got into it this AM

286 realwest  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 6:27:48am

re: #262 Spare O'Lake
No offense or disrespect intended here, but I don't think the Israeli's need yet another "truce" or "ceasefire" to know what Hamas will do - Hamas simply has to be eliminated. Totally and completely.
NOW.

287 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 6:28:22am

re: #285 Nevergiveup

My car read -1 when I got into it this AM

It doesn't like you. Have you checked your brake lines recently?

288 Empire1  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 6:29:19am

re: #263 realwest

Thanks, Real, but it's nothing special. Just one of those things you have to do to feel right.

289 Nevergiveup  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 6:29:33am

re: #287 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

It doesn't like you. Have you checked your brake lines recently?

I only check the brake lines after I see my wife near the car.

290 realwest  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 6:30:12am

re: #272 winston06
Good morning afternoon winston!
Whatcha doing in Turkey and how long do you have to stay there?

291 BBev  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 6:30:12am

re: #286 realwest

No offense or disrespect intended here, but I don't think the Israeli's need yet another "truce" or "ceasefire" to know what Hamas will do - Hamas simply has to be eliminated. Totally and completely.
NOW.

How true, Israel has been back down for far to long enough is enough. They must eliminate this threat once and for all for there to be a lasting peace!

292 shanec99  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 6:30:38am

re: #286 realwest

No offense or disrespect intended here, but I don't think the Israeli's need yet another "truce" or "ceasefire" to know what Hamas will do - Hamas simply has to be eliminated. Totally and completely.
NOW.

I agree... and to quote Bob Marley, "...until that day, the dream of lasting peace... rule of international morality, will be but a fleeing illusion, to be forever pursued, and never attained."

293 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 6:30:44am

re: #284 realwest

14?! 14 degrees in Illinois?! It's only fucking 13 degrees here in the sunny Southland of N.C. and our cousin's in Tennessee are even colder than that!

I'd like to thank the academy, my parents, my agent... I couldn't have managed this spectacular victory over NC w/o them...

/stay warm, buddy.

294 3 wood  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 6:31:34am

Good morning.

The temperature has skyrocketed up to 20 degrees here, but with the 30 mph wind out there the wind chill is freak'n cold.
%Pr

295 Ayatollah Ghilmeini  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 6:32:36am

re: #262 Spare O'Lake

The whole point is to destroy Hamas in Gaza- either they fight on and Israel finishes killing them or they break from their leaders in Damascus and they lose their militant standing, funding, leadership and Iranian backing.

Tough choice, no?

Their people on the streets are ready to kill them for this war. Israel's Army is getting great intel from Gazans who want Hamas to die. Israel's move serves US diplomatic needs and in no way changes the damage done to Hamas. It may even save a few lives. Hamas' senior leadership in Gaza has been decimated and the survivors are being forced to choose between a war they know they have lost and following leaders who don't care if they die.

If Hamas keeps shooting, so will Israel. Hamas is not getting stronger but Israel is. Hamas is being ripped up by the roots in the West Bank by a vengeful Fatah and there is every hope Fatah will regain control of Gaza with Egypt's help.

296 3 wood  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 6:32:48am

re: #290 realwest

Good morning pal.

I'm taking the Mrs. out for breakfast in a few minutes, but when I get back I'll send you an email to get caught up on how you are doinPr

297 newsjunkie_ky  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 6:33:41am

Am already very sick of obamamania. Turning off TV. Egads!

298 Cathypop  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 6:33:51am

Thats right. Yall just keep braggin about your weather while the poor citizen of south Texas are dealing with horrible temps. Dammit! Looks like it's goona get up into the 60's today. Oh whoa is me!

299 Geepers  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 6:33:58am

ciaospirit (#265),

It's warmer here today. -1 instead of -5.

-1? Lucky you. The "outlying" areas are ten degrees colder.

300 realwest  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 6:34:43am

re: #274 Ayatollah Ghilmeini Good morning! I've wanted to ask you this for a while now. Most terrorism "experts" say that a country should NEVER negotiate or give anything up for the return of a hostage. Doing so, they say, only encourages terrorists to do more of the same and more often. Yet Israel has released hundreds of "Palestinians" in exchange for the return of the dead bodies of IDF warriors.
Do you think the IDF would be better off not negotiating with them for the return of hostages (I mean negotiating in the sense that Israel will do something in exhange for the release of a hostage)?

301 ciaospirit  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 6:35:04am

Isn't it great that Obama is such a centrist? His picks just scream centrist.

President elect Barack Obama has picked Cass Sunstein to be his head of Office of Information and Regulatory Affairs (OIRA) and he’s a nutjob when it comes to animal rights. Are you doubtful? This is what Sunstein wrote in 2004 in a book he authored.

“[A]nimals should be permitted to bring suit, with human beings as their representatives, to prevent violations of current law … Any animals that are entitled to bring suit would be represented by (human) counsel, who would owe guardian like obligations and make decisions, subject to those obligations, on their clients’ behalf.”

According to ConsumerFreedom.com, Sunstein’s job is to regulate everything, even to the point of overhauling everything we do (that might not be a bad idea for a lot of things.) But here’s what he said at a speech at Harvard recently.

“We ought to ban hunting, I suggest, if there isn’t a purpose other than sport and fun. That should be against the law. It’s time now.”

302 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 6:35:09am

re: #297 newsjunkie_ky

Am already very sick of obamamania. Turning off TV. Egads!

And don't turn it on for the next week or two.

As I pretty much refuse to watch anything but the Dog Whisperer and 24, I think I'm safe.

Even Rush will have to dwell on this "historic moment" all week.

303 eon  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 6:35:41am

re: #267 realwest

Shit. I tell's ya LT, my property or not, I'd a gone over there and put it out of it's misery. But I didn't think that ever happened to squirrels - falling out of trees and breaking their backs; I dunno, for some reason I thought they'd be more like cats - always land right side up.

Good Morning, Lizards, from South Central Ohio, where it's 11 above zero (not including wind chill), and we have about four inches of white "global warming" over about an inch of clear, icy "climate change" on the ground.

Actually, Real, cats don't always necessarily land on their feet. The mechanism is that when a cat falls, it spins its body in midair by whipping its tail around in the opposite direction (gyroscopic action, like a skater doing a spin) while twisting its very limber spine to get its feet in position for a four-point landing. While this is done very, very quickly, it does take time. If the cat doesn't have the time, bam- it lands upside down, or whatever.

One of my cats, named Snooper, once had just this happen. While up in a tree (pursuing a bird), he pounced on same (and missed), landing on a limb that was way too small to support him. It bowed, and down he went. He almost had himself oriented for touchdown- and instead, landed flat on his a$$ with his tail under him. He came marching in, with the tip of his tail having a pronounced "L" in it, and looked up at me with a "well?" expression.

After a trip to the vet and the permanent removal of six very tiny bones in the very tip of the tail that he had thoroughly trashed on impact, he came home, to be forever after known as Snooper, The Cat With The Question-Mark Tail.

I might add, he never climbed that particular tree again. I suspect he concluded that said tree had it in for him.


cheers

eon

304 shanec99  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 6:36:26am

re: #283 Nevergiveup

Qatar, Mauritania cut ties with Israel

[Link: www.jpost.com...]

Sauron announces Mordor also considering cutting ties with Israel?

Mauritania cuts ties with Israel... don't let me laugh. Mauritania that nasty little nation in northern Africa that has a history of racial intolerance and participating in ethnic cleansing cuts ties with Isreal. Shame on Isreal for ever having establishing ties with those murderers. [Link: berclo.net...]

305 realwest  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 6:36:29am

re: #277 Nevergiveup
Uh, good morning to you! How did ya get your patient(s) to come in so early for what are usually fairly long procedures? Hell, how did you get up, wake up, get to the office and do all that by 9:30 in the morning?!?

306 Cathypop  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 6:36:42am

re: #301 ciaospirit

Isn't it great that Obama is such a centrist? His picks just scream centrist.

Does this mean that the families of the mice and birds my cat catches can take her to court?

307 realwest  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 6:37:43am

re: #280 shanec99
Indeed, we do.

308 realwest  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 6:39:02am

re: #287 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret) ROTFL!

309 Geepers  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 6:39:04am

ciaospirit (#301),

“We ought to ban hunting, I suggest, if there isn’t a purpose other than sport and fun. That should be against the law. It’s time now.”

LOL. Oh good luck with that Cass.

And yes, we should ban everything that doesn't have a "purpose".

310 ciaospirit  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 6:39:40am

re: #306 Cathypop

Does this mean that the families of the mice and birds my cat catches can take her to court?

Absurd, isn't it? We have a lot of work to do. Levin predicts it will take eighty years to undo Obama's socialist policies. This is what happens when you convince people that they're poor, heading for a depression, and only the government can save you. I despise Obama and the lying POS that he is.

311 DeafDog  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 6:39:57am

re: #301 ciaospirit

Deep thoughts from Jack Handy...If animals could vote, I'd bet

Dogs and horses would be Republicans;
Cats and cows would be Democrats

312 realwest  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 6:40:02am

re: #288 Empire1
Ah, you're too modest by far - look at how many people don't and wouldn't do that.

313 winston06  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 6:40:33am

re: #290 realwest

well i m here on a personal trip. this is the 2nd time i am visiting Turkey. weird place.

314 DeafDog  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 6:40:53am

re: #302 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

As I pretty much refuse to watch anything but the Dog Whisperer and 24, I think I'm safe.

What?!

No sports?

315 ciaospirit  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 6:41:12am

re: #309 Geepers

ciaospirit (#301),

LOL. Oh good luck with that Cass.

And yes, we should ban everything that doesn't have a "purpose".

Liberal reasoning is so well reasoned, ain't it?

316 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 6:41:12am

re: #303 eon

True... but if the issue is time, then wouldn't a fall too fast to "fix" by definition also be so close to the ground that life threatening damage wouldn't happen?

317 realwest  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 6:42:07am

re: #293 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret) LOL! Hey LT I'm trying to, trust me on that!
I just can't get over the fact that it's colder where you are than where I am.
I blame Al Gore, myself. Don't really think he had anything to do with it, just like blaming him.

318 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 6:42:09am

re: #305 realwest

Uh, good morning to you! How did ya get your patient(s) to come in so early for what are usually fairly long procedures? Hell, how did you get up, wake up, get to the office and do all that by 9:30 in the morning?!?

Hey, the man has a Jaguar to repair (or something)... full steam ahead, stack 'em and rack 'em. :-)

319 newsjunkie_ky  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 6:42:31am

re: #302 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

And don't turn it on for the next week or two.

As I pretty much refuse to watch anything but the Dog Whisperer and 24, I think I'm safe.

Even Rush will have to dwell on this "historic moment" all week.

Yep, I just got into 24 this year. Am going to rent the previous years.
I'm looking forward to Rush's running commentary on the 'speech' (sermon on steps)

320 Dar ul Harbarian  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 6:42:51am
321 shanec99  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 6:42:56am

re: #311 DeafDog
Stop insulting Cows and cats... they may be dumb...but they at least produce worthwhile products... milk, steaks, leather... and cats actually kill parasitic vermin.
we cant say anything like this about Dems, except that some of thier women (code pink) have saggy tits.

322 Nevergiveup  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 6:42:59am

re: #305 realwest

Uh, good morning to you! How did ya get your patient(s) to come in so early for what are usually fairly long procedures? Hell, how did you get up, wake up, get to the office and do all that by 9:30 in the morning?!?

I started at 7. Alot of early risers out there

323 Nevergiveup  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 6:43:18am

re: #318 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

Hey, the man has a Jaguar to repair (or something)... full steam ahead, stack 'em and rack 'em. :-)

I drive an 05 Volvo

324 realwest  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 6:43:23am

re: #294 3 wood Hey, good morning my friend! Geebus, you're warmer than we are today too!
Uh, what's "%Pr"?!

325 BenZacharia  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 6:43:24am

Geepers,
Guess finally got broadband.

326 newsjunkie_ky  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 6:43:28am

bbiab, baby granddaughter needs attention.

327 ciaospirit  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 6:44:15am

re: #325 BenZacharia

Geepers,
Guess finally got broadband.

BZ! How the hell are ya?

328 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 6:44:26am

re: #314 DeafDog

What?!

No sports?

Unless the baseball season started early, nope. I can't stand Basketball (sorry, Hoops), and watch a grand total of about 3 football games a year.

329 shanec99  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 6:44:41am

later yall.

330 realwest  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 6:45:00am

re: #296 3 wood I'd appreciate that a lot! Uh, y'all using a new Mac - is that why PR shows up in your posts?!
/ducks to avoid incoming apples!

331 DeafDog  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 6:45:22am

re: #319 newsjunkie_ky

Yep, I just got into 24 this year. Am going to rent the previous years.
I'm looking forward to Rush's running commentary on the 'speech' (sermon on steps)

The first season of 24 is one of the best shows eveh! Seeing it on CD (with no commercials) is much better than watching on TV. You're going to enjoy it.

332 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 6:45:33am

re: #319 newsjunkie_ky

Yep, I just got into 24 this year. Am going to rent the previous years.
I'm looking forward to Rush's running commentary on the 'speech' (sermon on steps)

Don't bother with last season (whatever number it was). It sucked. The earlier ones are great. This one is OK so far.

333 Geepers  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 6:46:04am

ciaospirit (#315),

Liberal reasoning is so well reasoned, ain't it?

Liberal reasoning. Now there's an oxymoron.

Couching your personal ideological agenda as some sort of "reasoned" conclusion can only make you look like an fool. Liberals of course excel at this.

334 realwest  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 6:46:11am

re: #298 Cathypop
That. Was. Not. Nice!
Funny, but not nice!

335 eon  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 6:46:32am

re: #301 ciaospirit

Isn't it great that Obama is such a centrist? His picks just scream centrist.

Sunstein says that hunting should be banned if its only purpose is "sport and fun". But since he is also a hardcore Vegan, he doesn't believe anyone should be allowed to eat meat, either. Which means no hunting, period. Add in the "sporting purpose" argument, which I guarantee you will resurface under The Exalted One's Enlightened Rule (TEOER), and my guess is that this country is heading the UK's direction on firearms ownership, the Second Amendment and the Heller decision be d***ed.

I don't know about anyone else, but I'm practicing my archery and learning to make crossbows. If nothing else, they're quiet, and the ammunition is reusable without recourse to a Lee Loader.

Just out of curiosity, is this Office of Information and Regulatory Affairs a genuine government entity, or something The Exalted One has just dreamed up on his own to afflict us with? Anyone know?

cheers

eon

336 Bubblehead II  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 6:46:38am

They are pulling the plane out of the Hudson River. Live Link at Fox News.

337 Jetpilot1101  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 6:46:41am

Is it just me or is the excessive obamasturbation and obamagasms getting out of control?

I'm not a fan of our new king but I'd be writing the same stuff if McCain had been elected and did the same crap Obama is doing.

338 Nevergiveup  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 6:46:43am

16:32 Der Speigel: Syria`s Assad ready to cooperate with Obama (Reuters)

Hum Putin, the little rat bastard in Iran, Chavez, Castro, Hamas, and the UN. Why is it that all our mortal enemies want to cooperate with Obama? Yeah I know rhetorical question.

339 BenZacharia  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 6:46:44am

re: #327 ciaospirit

Staying warm, you?

340 realwest  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 6:48:02am

re: #299 Geepers
Hey Geepers! How are you (other than COLD I mean!)?

341 DeafDog  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 6:48:07am

re: #321 shanec99

Stop insulting Cows and cats... they may be dumb...but they at least produce worthwhile products... milk, steaks, leather... and cats actually kill parasitic vermin.
we cant say anything like this about Dems, except that some of thier women (code pink) have saggy tits.

Hey, it wasn't me. It was Jack Handy.

Cows have been domesitcated to the point of udder compliance!

And Jack was only referring to domesticated, de-clawed cats since they talk bad about their paw.

342 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 6:48:09am

re: #323 Nevergiveup

I drive an 05 Volvo

Airplane? Boat? Desert Island your wife doesn't know about? Winter home in the South of France? Mistress or three?

C'mon man, you have a rep to live up to... don't make me sic the ADA on you for lack of standards!

343 Geepers  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 6:49:26am

BenZacharia (#325),

Geepers,
Guess finally got broadband.

Awesome.

Now you can waste your day 20 times faster. ;-)

344 ciaospirit  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 6:49:31am

re: #333 Geepers

ciaospirit (#315),

Liberal reasoning. Now there's an oxymoron.

Couching your personal ideological agenda as some sort of "reasoned" conclusion can only make you look like an fool. Liberals of course excel at this.

They don't accept history, evidence, or reason. Now we have an entire Cabinet and nearly all of Congress who think this way. Except it's not actually thinking.

345 SlartyBartfast  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 6:50:23am

re: #310 ciaospirit

When I heard B. Hussein Obama's "Only Government" speech last week I thought, "The country is in deep doo-doo."

His ideas would inspire laughter if they weren't potentially so destructive to this great country.

I ain't laughing.

346 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 6:50:28am

re: #344 ciaospirit

They don't accept history, evidence, or reason. Now we have an entire Cabinet and nearly all of Congress who think this way. Except it's not actually thinking.

This is gonna be GREAT!
--Flounder, Animal House

347 realwest  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 6:50:38am

re: #303 eon
Hey eon! Thanks for that story! I don't blame your cat; that tree has it in for 'em, just like that one miserable tree in the entire landscape had it in for Charie Brown (or Linus - senior moment here) kite!

348 DeafDog  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 6:51:22am

re: #322 Nevergiveup

I started at 7. Alot of early risers out there

If my dentist started that early, that's the appointment I would grab.

No offense, but there are few things as frustrating as waiting in the Doctor's/Dentist's office. I really hate that. If I make an appointment for a certain time, then I expect that time to be met. Doctor's and Dentist's don't seem to see it that way. You guys learned about 'on-time' scheduling from the airlines. The earlier the appointment, the better the chance of getting in and out on time.

349 Geepers  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 6:51:37am

Morning realwest.

Doin' great. I'm off to buy new ski clothes.

(Yes I'm one of those people that likes to go out and play in this kind of weather.)

See y'all later.

350 Nevergiveup  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 6:52:01am

re: #342 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

Airplane? Boat? Desert Island your wife doesn't know about? Winter home in the South of France? Mistress or three?

C'mon man, you have a rep to live up to... don't make me sic the ADA on you for lack of standards!

I got 2 kids in college, a wife that never worked ( good job of you can get it ha? ), and I am trying to unload a few assets to pay off all my debts because I am pretty sure I might get called up one of these days ( which I might be happy about ).

351 ciaospirit  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 6:52:12am

re: #335 eon

It's under the Office of Management and Budget near as I can tell.

352 Jetpilot1101  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 6:52:49am

re: #345 SlartyBartfast

When I heard B. Hussein Obama's "Only Government" speech last week I thought, "The country is in deep doo-doo."

His ideas would inspire laughter if they weren't potentially so destructive to this great country.

I ain't laughing.

We're pretty much screwed until we throw all the socialist bums out of office. Unfortunately, the base for most of these politicians is not longer working America but has become those who line up like pigs at the giant trough of government. If this "stimulus" bill goes through, get ready for probably a decade of crappy economic times.

353 DeafDog  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 6:53:09am

re: #328 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

Unless the baseball season started early, nope. I can't stand Basketball (sorry, Hoops), and watch a grand total of about 3 football games a year.


You have my deepest sympathy.

I can take or leave the NFL, unless my team is playing, but College hoops is a great game.

354 Spare O'Lake  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 6:53:32am

re: #286 realwest

No offense or disrespect intended here, but I don't think the Israeli's need yet another "truce" or "ceasefire" to know what Hamas will do - Hamas simply has to be eliminated. Totally and completely.
NOW.

Agreed. Yet the Israelis still cling to the faint hope that UN/EU/MSM and even the Pali street will suddenly open their eyes to Hamas' evil and give their blessing to Israel's completion of the destruction of Hamas.

355 eon  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 6:53:36am

re: #316 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

True... but if the issue is time, then wouldn't a fall too fast to "fix" by definition also be so close to the ground that life threatening damage wouldn't happen?

Snooper was five feet up, and he weighed about six pounds. According to the vet, even in that short a time "airborne" he had picked up enough velocity (kinetic energy) that landing on hard-packed soil (which he did) did the damage when his tail-tip got "folded" between the ground and his rump.

I later learned (by looking it up) that an elephant can be badly injured, or even killed, by falling as little as one foot, depending on how it lands. (Landing on only one foot, instead of four, generally breaks that leg, or even the upper shoulder or hip joint.) Granted, that is reductio ad absurdum (Snooper was much smaller and lighter than the average elephant), but it points up the fact that gravity always wins in the end.

cheers

eon

356 Nevergiveup  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 6:54:06am

re: #348 DeafDog

If my dentist started that early, that's the appointment I would grab.

No offense, but there are few things as frustrating as waiting in the Doctor's/Dentist's office. I really hate that. If I make an appointment for a certain time, then I expect that time to be met. Doctor's and Dentist's don't seem to see it that way. You guys learned about 'on-time' scheduling from the airlines. The earlier the appointment, the better the chance of getting in and out on time.

I am almost always on time or early. I hate people waiting. And believe I am wide awake at 6 and 7 AM. You really don't want to be my last appointment of the day. When I start at 6:00 AM It is always filled. I bet I could start even earlier if my assistant would.

357 ciaospirit  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 6:54:14am

re: #339 BenZacharia

Staying warm, you?

Cold. My house is so cold I had to turn the oven on to add some heat. Don't know exactly why the heat's not workin' so good.

358 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 6:54:26am

re: #350 Nevergiveup

I got 2 kids in college, a wife that never worked ( good job of you can get it ha? ), and I am trying to unload a few assets to pay off all my debts because I am pretty sure I might get called up one of these days ( which I might be happy about ).

Well, if she qualifies as a trophy wife, the committee might let you slide...

...of course, you are also a service doc. So, I'll make sure the complaint reminds them of that fact.

/all in fun, my friend!

359 JCM  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 6:54:33am

*yawn*
Morning all.

What's the word?

360 realwest  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 6:55:04am

re: #306 Cathypop
Uh, I think it means they can take YOU to court since it's your cat and you'd be responsible for it's actions.
I swear, Obama has just really ...I mean really ...lost it.

BTW, has anyone out here seen any response to that photo of Rahm Emmanuel that Obama put on milk cartons all across the nation?!

361 Jetpilot1101  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 6:55:21am

re: #359 JCM

*yawn*
Morning all.

What's the word?

The MFMSM is having a collective orgasm over this stupid whistle stop train tour the emperor is embarking on. Nothing new.

362 Nevergiveup  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 6:55:55am

re: #358 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

Well, if she qualifies as a trophy wife, the committee might let you slide...

...of course, you are also a service doc. So, I'll make sure the complaint reminds them of that fact.

/all in fun, my friend!

She brought the kids up and let me join up with the USN knowing full fell I might get called up. She is OK.

363 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 6:56:07am

re: #353 DeafDog

You have my deepest sympathy.

I can take or leave the NFL, unless my team is playing, but College hoops is a great game.

My wife thinks so, too. Bores me to tears. But to each his own...

364 JCM  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 6:56:13am

re: #345 SlartyBartfast

When I heard B. Hussein Obama's "Only Government" speech last week I thought, "The country is in deep doo-doo."

His ideas would inspire laughter if they weren't potentially so destructive to this great country.

I ain't laughing.

We've come a long way baby!
Government is not a solution to our problem, government is the problem.
RWR

365 Bubblehead II  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 6:57:01am

Someone is going to be in some really deep shit.

Hero Pilot's Records, IQ Scores Released by School District in 'Accident'

The hero pilot who miraculously guided his crippled jet into a textbook landing in the icy Hudson River was a straight-A student as a schoolboy in Denison, Texas — but his school district gets an "F" for making his academic records public.

366 DeafDog  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 6:57:36am

re: #356 Nevergiveup

When I move to NJ, you'll be my dentist!

:-)

367 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 6:58:07am

re: #355 eon

Gravity always wins in the end.

/something that should be tattooed on the forehead of every skate-boarder/x-games bike rider.

Good one!

368 realwest  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 6:58:42am

re: #311 DeafDog
Morning to you! Uh why would Cats and cows would be Democrats? I thought cats, at least, were smart!?!

369 JCM  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 6:58:43am

re: #361 Jetpilot1101

The MFMSM is having a collective orgasm over this stupid whistle stop train tour the emperor is embarking on. Nothing new.

It's real bitch clean the stuff of the inside of the TV...

370 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 6:59:07am

re: #356 Nevergiveup

I am almost always on time or early. I hate people waiting. And believe I am wide awake at 6 and 7 AM. You really don't want to be my last appointment of the day. When I start at 6:00 AM It is always filled. I bet I could start even earlier if my assistant would.

There is something very wrong with this dentist... no appreciation for Union rules.

371 DeafDog  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 6:59:14am

re: #352 Jetpilot1101

We're pretty much screwed until we throw all the socialist bums out of office. Unfortunately, the base for most of these politicians is not longer working America but has become those who line up like pigs at the giant trough of government. If this "stimulus" bill goes through, get ready for probably a decade of crappy economic times.

You mean giving tax breaks to the folks who don't pay taxes isn't a good idea?

/

372 realwest  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 6:59:40am

re: #319 newsjunkie_ky
Hey! Good morning {news}! How are you today?

373 ciaospirit  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 7:00:05am

re: #345 SlartyBartfast

When I heard B. Hussein Obama's "Only Government" speech last week I thought, "The country is in deep doo-doo."

His ideas would inspire laughter if they weren't potentially so destructive to this great country.

I ain't laughing.

Me, neither. Nationalized banks. Nationalized health care. Nationalized energy. This is very bad. I work with high level Japanese business people and they have near socialist health care now in Japan. They confide that they come to the U.S. if they have any serious medical issues because the U.S. has the absolute best medical care. Since the Japanese government became involved in health care, they have decreed that anyone under the age of 16 is not allowed to get a heart transplant. Right now, there is a fund drive to raise money to bring a young girl to the U.S. for medical care. Just wait til Obama's bunch gets hold of medical care here.

374 JCM  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 7:00:31am

Video of FL1549 ditching.
Plane comes in left side at 2:00.
First boat at the scene at 6:00.

375 Cathypop  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 7:01:09am

re: #360 realwest

Uh, I think it means they can take YOU to court since it's your cat and you'd be responsible for it's actions.
I swear, Obama has just really ...I mean really ...lost it.

BTW, has anyone out here seen any response to that photo of Rahm Emmanuel that Obama put on milk cartons all across the nation?!


He went under the bus.

376 lawhawk  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 7:01:15am

re: #336 Bubblehead II

They are pulling the plane out of the Hudson River. Live Link at Fox News.

Notice in the background the chunks of ice flowing down the river. Those passengers are damned lucky to be alive.

377 BenZacharia  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 7:01:32am

re: #357 ciaospirit

try a 136 yr old farm house with a Seigler stove and no central heat running on home made biodiesel.

378 kansas  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 7:01:40am

re: #361 Jetpilot1101

The MFMSM is having a collective orgasm over this stupid whistle stop train tour the emperor is embarking on. Nothing new.

Maybe they'll stop and get him some clothes.

379 realwest  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 7:01:48am

re: #325 BenZacharia
Hey Ben! How are you doing? I was surprised when you appeared, momentarily, a few days ago! IIRC, things were looking up for you and your wiffee, hopefully it's still the same!

380 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 7:02:03am

re: #365 Bubblehead II

Someone is going to be in some really deep shit.

Hero Pilot's Records, IQ Scores Released by School District in 'Accident'

The hero pilot who miraculously guided his crippled jet into a textbook landing in the icy Hudson River was a straight-A student as a schoolboy in Denison, Texas — but his school district gets an "F" for making his academic records public.

Jerks. Criminal jerks. Looking for dirt, no doubt.

381 Nevergiveup  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 7:02:29am

re: #374 JCM

Video of FL1549 ditching.
Plane comes in left side at 2:00.
First boat at the scene at 6:00.

[Video]

And Kudos go out to Arthur Imperator the owner of NY Waterway. The first 2 boats on the scene were both his ferries.

382 sattv4u2  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 7:03:05am

re: #360 realwest

re: #375 Cathypop

He went under the bus.

BTW, has anyone out here seen any response to that photo of Rahm Emmanuel that Obama put on milk cartons all across the nation?!

As long as the Blago thing is up in the air, Rahm will stay in the background. That in and of itself could be more dangerous than if he were front and center!

383 Spare O'Lake  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 7:03:30am

re: #295 Ayatollah Ghilmeini

Israel's move serves US diplomatic needs and in no way changes the damage done to Hamas.

I hope that Obama's "diplomatic needs" will not require that Israel agree to hold its fire and accept ongoing terror missile attacks while Obama conducts his unconditional diplomacy with Iran and Syria.

384 sattv4u2  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 7:03:48am

re: #376 lawhawk

Notice in the background the chunks of ice GLOBAL WARMING flowing down the river. Those passengers are damned lucky to be alive.


Thank God for Al Gore!

385 ciaospirit  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 7:04:44am

re: #380 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

Jerks. Criminal jerks. Looking for dirt, no doubt.

Can't have a real hero upstaging Obama.

386 DeafDog  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 7:05:13am

re: #368 realwest

Morning to you! Uh why would Cats and cows would be Democrats? I thought cats, at least, were smart!?!

It was a gut reaction/goof based on which animals seem happier (or at least make me happy) and which ones just like to be taken care of.

I regret any offense caused to cat or cow lovers.

Ashamedly, I have at least something in common with John Kerry...I can't tell a joke.

387 kansas  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 7:05:23am

re: #374 JCM

Video of FL1549 ditching.
Plane comes in left side at 2:00.
First boat at the scene at 6:00.

Sweet.

388 Bubblehead II  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 7:05:25am

re: #376 lawhawk

Yep, they sure were. Gotta love that Military training and perhaps a smidgen of Divine inervention

389 Cathypop  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 7:05:39am

re: #385 ciaospirit

Can't have a real hero upstaging Obama.

For the next four years there can be only one hero. The O!shit

390 Ayatollah Ghilmeini  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 7:05:55am

re: #300 realwest

Good morning! I've wanted to ask you this for a while now. Most terrorism "experts" say that a country should NEVER negotiate or give anything up for the return of a hostage. Doing so, they say, only encourages terrorists to do more of the same and more often. Yet Israel has released hundreds of "Palestinians" in exchange for the return of the dead bodies of IDF warriors.
Do you think the IDF would be better off not negotiating with them for the return of hostages (I mean negotiating in the sense that Israel will do something in exhange for the release of a hostage)?

If you call putting a gun to someone's head negotiating, then yes the IDF is negotiating with Hamas. You may notice that there is NO talk about releasing Hamasniks in prison.

The problem is terrorists ultimately get the hostages families to weaken democracy's resolve. If it was your loved on and some government drone told you "sorry, greater good and all that, your loved one is stays," it would outrage you. Terrorists are evil but not irrational.

So what can democracies do? Kill terrorists whenever they can. Prevent them from getting safe bases of operation. Have good security. On occasion send in 3 divisions of tanks and infantry to let them know they will never win.

391 realwest  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 7:06:36am

re: #349 Geepers See ya Geepers! Stay warm and I hope y'all have someone(s) to play with!

392 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 7:06:36am

Later... works calls.

393 JCM  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 7:07:38am

re: #376 lawhawk

Notice in the background the chunks of ice flowing down the river. Those passengers are damned lucky to be alive.

After those engines ate the geese, everything went right. The pilot executed a perfect ditching. The flight crew evacuated the plane. The passengers remained calm. Boats were on the scene in minutes.

394 Bubblehead II  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 7:07:53am

re: #380 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

Looks like this is the best they got.

When he emerges from isolation, he may have some explaining to do. The straight-A student missed 45 days of school in the 1st Grade.

395 Nevergiveup  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 7:08:03am

Egypt: Israel drunk with power, violence
Foreign Minister Aboul Gheit says Cairo not committed to US-Israeli pact to halt arms smuggling into Gaza Strip

[Link: www.ynetnews.com...]

1) What's so wrong with drunk anyway. What was it Lincoln said about Gen.
Grant. Something about his excess drinking and giving all his other Generals
a few cases of booze?
2) Egypt will not lift a finger to stop the weapons smuggling-Yeah we knew that
already.
3) How much foreign aid do we give these corrupt bastards?

396 lawhawk  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 7:08:05am

Operation Cast Lead is in Day 22, and we've got more of the same. Hamas continues attacking Israel and Israel gets castigated for responding. Human rights groups condemn Israel for using disproportionate force in attacking Hamas in Gaza, but while in agreement that Hamas is violating practically every rule and code of conduct on war on the books, they focus on Israel instead.

Typical.

The UNRWA continues to claim that Israel attacked that UN school without provocation, even as the facts show that Israel was well within its rights to do so - Hamas thugs were firing from 25 yards away and Israel took out that mortar team and an additional salvo hit just outside the school, where a disputed number of injuries occurred. UNRWA also claims that it's doing all it can to keep Hamas out of its facilities, which is pure unadulterated nonsense given that they've previously admitted that they have no way to do so and no intention of doing so.

There's talk of a unilateral ceasefire, and Israel is contemplating it. Right. Israel stops responding, while Hamas keeps attacking; that's the same situation that led to the current conflict and is a reprise of every prior ceasefire, including the one that media shills claim lasted six months. It lasted five days before Hamas started firing on Israel again.

Meanwhile, Iran calls for the assassination of FM Livni. And journalists show their objectivity by calling her a terrorist. Funny how media outlets shy from using that term "terrorist" except when it refers to Israel or the US, not with the terrorist groups like Hamas who are responsible for the misery and mayhem.

397 realwest  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 7:09:11am

re: #359 JCM Good morning JCM - the word for today is HEAT - and where can we find some!

398 BenZacharia  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 7:09:28am

re: #379 realwest
Yes, looking up. Wifffeee is stable, she got her SSD & SSI backdated to 6/06. I was able to get back into an office gig with a fortune 100 company that is depession proof.

399 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 7:09:31am

re: #390 Ayatollah Ghilmeini

If you call putting a gun to someone's head negotiating, then yes the IDF is negotiating with Hamas. You may notice that there is NO talk about releasing Hamasniks in prison.

The problem is terrorists ultimately get the hostages families to weaken democracy's resolve. If it was your loved on and some government drone told you "sorry, greater good and all that, your loved one is stays," it would outrage you. Terrorists are evil but not irrational.

So what can democracies do? Kill terrorists whenever they can. Prevent them from getting safe bases of operation. Have good security. On occasion send in 3 divisions of tanks and infantry to let them know they will never win.

If it were my loved one, I'd still say 'no deals'. The resolve of a nation is more important than any one person.

400 eon  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 7:10:19am

re: #347 realwest

Hey eon! Thanks for that story! I don't blame your cat; that tree has it in for 'em, just like that one miserable tree in the entire landscape had it in for Charie Brown (or Linus - senior moment here) kite!

Charlie's infamous kite-eating tree. I had one, too. It was a ninety-foot-tall Lombardy Poplar that also had an appetite for flying model rockets coming down on parachutes. It was probably pissed off at flying things in general, after losing ten feet off its top to the wingtip of an Air Force C-130 on a low-level training mission out of (then) Lockbourne AFB in 1966. The instructors used my childhood home (on the highest point in the county) as an avigation waypoint, and one trainee pilot got just a little too low. No damage to the Herc, thank G-d, but a state highway inspector coming down the road saw the performance, grabbed his radio, and called his boss. His boss called his own boss.

Next thing we knew, the Governor had a little chat with the base CO. A couple of days later, my mother got a phone call on the subject, at work, during the lunch hour, from someone she had known off and on since the Thirties. A certain General LeMay. He wanted to extend an apology on behalf of the Air Force, and offered to pay for any damage. She told him that it wasn't necessary, that she didn't give a d**n about the tree, and she was just glad the plane and crew were intact.

He said the plane was fine, but the pilot, copilot, and instructor would have some trouble sitting comfortably for a while.

She told him not to talk with his mouth full, and from the way they both laughed about it I'm sure she wasn't talking about a ham and cheese on rye, if you take my meaning. (Like I said, they went back a ways.)

Yes, my childhood was ...interesting. In more ways than one.


cheers

eon

401 lawhawk  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 7:10:46am

re: #365 Bubblehead II

Why do people think it necessary to release all that information? Was not his resume sufficient? Capt. Sullenberger's actions speaks for itself. He saved that plane from certain doom with his quick thinking and skill. He could have gotten Fs across the board for all I care (and for all the crew and passengers care). He's A+++++ to them now and forever.

Of course, you have to be a top flight student to get into the Air Force Academy and succeed as a fighter pilot.

402 realwest  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 7:11:12am

re: #370 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret) No there's nothing wrong with him, LT, he's a veteran! And active reserve?

403 Nevergiveup  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 7:11:31am

Soldiers' mother: Stop Gaza doctor's propaganda
Confrontation at Sheba medical center: Mother of three soldiers interrupts press conference convened by Gaza doctor who lost his three daughters, says 'why is he engaging in propaganda? Have you all gone crazy?'

[Link: www.ynetnews.com...]

Good for her.

404 yma o hyd  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 7:11:35am

Hiya, Lizard Nation!

Had some nifty gales during the night, loads of rain, some early sun (its only the mad dog walkers who got to see it!) - now its grey, and yep, cold again! Mid-Thirties, it feels like - and some more gales marching in from the West, or so the weather people are telling us.

Ok, its January, but if one can't moan about the weather ...

405 Nevergiveup  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 7:12:34am

re: #402 realwest

No there's nothing wrong with him, LT, he's a veteran! And active reserve?

He knows. He was only kidding.

406 realwest  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 7:13:09am

re: #381 Nevergiveup
I'd make that Kudos to everyone involved in that rescue - some damn fast thinking, fast acting folks out on that river!

407 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 7:13:35am

re: #403 Nevergiveup

Soldiers' mother: Stop Gaza doctor's propaganda
Confrontation at Sheba medical center: Mother of three soldiers interrupts press conference convened by Gaza doctor who lost his three daughters, says 'why is he engaging in propaganda? Have you all gone crazy?'

[Link: www.ynetnews.com...]

Good for her.

That is the way to deal with enemy propaganda.

408 JCM  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 7:14:22am

Damn, people sure are desperate to give me money.

Mrs. Jessica Moyo wants help getting $7.1 million out of Zimbabwe. I'd get $1.4 million.

Mr. Martins Ikah, of the South Africa Department of Minerals and Energy. Would like help moving $38.5 million, I'd get 25%.

Vincent Chang in Hong Kong is working for Gen Zaiki Taha Abdel of Iraqi. Will pay me half a million to transfer some funds around.

I need to get busy...
*click*
*click*
*click*

There all deleted.

409 Nevergiveup  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 7:16:16am

re: #407 Dark_Falcon

That is the way to deal with enemy propaganda.

An Israeli trained physician, working at an Israeli Hospital, yet he still lives in Gaza? Something is not quite right there. Why didn't he move his family to Israel?

410 JCM  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 7:16:20am

re: #397 realwest

Good morning JCM - the word for today is HEAT - and where can we find some!

Fog an 32° That warm even for you?

Think warm.

411 Bubblehead II  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 7:16:44am

re: #401 lawhawk

Don't know why it was released. Like the Lt, said, probably someone looking for dirt.

412 HoosierHoops  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 7:17:04am

Good morning lizards! Gosh the coffee is fresh! you wants some?
How is everyone this fine Day?
/ I forgive you Lt. for not watching/loving college hoops..but only because your wife sees the light..

413 lawhawk  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 7:17:08am

re: #390 Ayatollah Ghilmeini

If you call putting a gun to someone's head negotiating, then yes the IDF is negotiating with Hamas. You may notice that there is NO talk about releasing Hamasniks in prison.

The problem is terrorists ultimately get the hostages families to weaken democracy's resolve. If it was your loved on and some government drone told you "sorry, greater good and all that, your loved one is stays," it would outrage you. Terrorists are evil but not irrational.

So what can democracies do? Kill terrorists whenever they can. Prevent them from getting safe bases of operation. Have good security. On occasion send in 3 divisions of tanks and infantry to let them know they will never win.

Some of the families have recognized this dilemna while others haven't. It's a horrible situation for the families to be in, and for the Israeli government to put themselves in, but the fact is that any prisoner release in exchange for the release of Israelis - alive or dead - only encourages further terror operations to capture Israelis with the purpose of extracting Israeli concessions in the form of prisoner releases or other concessions.

Keep in mind that Hamas has not waivered from their demands on Shalit in nearly 3 years. Hundreds of terrorists in exchange for Shalit. The numbers have actually increased as time has gone on.

Human rights groups ignore that too - and demand Israel make gestures of a humanitarian nature while refusing to call on Hamas to do the same. Hamas has had every opportunity to show that they can engage in humanitarian gestures - releasing Shalit being the most prominent, but that would mean losing their main bargaining chip. Human rights groups haven't even been allowed to see him, which is also telling and highly suggestive that he's been dead for a while now. No deal on a ceasefire should be accepted without demanding Hamas release Shalit unconditionally. Hamas started this war against Israel, and should be made to pay for it.

Any deal that lets Hamas claim victory isn't good for Israel's long term strategic interests, as the Hizbullah war shows. Hamas could still claim victory by surviving, but Hamas in Gaza may have started to learn the brutal lesson that starting wars isn't the same as winning them. Israel can win wars, if its political leaders let the military do so.

414 yma o hyd  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 7:17:15am

re: #395 Nevergiveup

Egypt: Israel drunk with power, violence
Foreign Minister Aboul Gheit says Cairo not committed to US-Israeli pact to halt arms smuggling into Gaza Strip

[Link: www.ynetnews.com...]

1) What's so wrong with drunk anyway. What was it Lincoln said about Gen.
Grant. Something about his excess drinking and giving all his other Generals
a few cases of booze?
2) Egypt will not lift a finger to stop the weapons smuggling-Yeah we knew that
already.
3) How much foreign aid do we give these corrupt bastards?

@ 3): far far too much! I don't want see children starve - but so far, we've seen from across the globe that aid is pilfered by the ruling kleptocracy, or is sold to buy more weapons which then are used against the civilians.

Any officials, from Ban-Ki Moon downwards, who howl and wail about what Israel is doing are utterly discredited since none of them have done anything at all, not even howling and wailing, about darfur, Zimbabwe, DR Congo, Sri Lanka ... just to name a few.

415 kcladderman  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 7:17:34am

re: #332 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

Don't bother with last season (whatever number it was). It sucked. The earlier ones are great. This one is OK so far.

No matter how good a show is its first season, the writers always seem to find a way to f*&k it up in a season or two.

416 Lincolntf  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 7:18:23am

re: #390 Ayatollah Ghilmeini

It seems that Israel is the one with the gun pointed at it's head. At least it has been for the decades preceding this operation. Releasing hundreds and hundreds of terrorists in return for corpses and vague (never consummated) promises of peace has failed miserably. One essential truth that Israel must recognize is that Hamas (Hezbolla, too) exists for one purpose: the destruction of Israel. Setting Hamas back a few years is a noble goal, but it is no solution.
I don't have the answer to their dilemma, but I do know that what we are looking at as a "victory" for Israel is more likely just a brief hiccup in the plans of the terrorists. Of the hundreds of thousands of Gazans who freely voted for a terrorist organization to be their government, Israel has killed a tiny fraction. Will the Gazan people turn on Hamas? It's conceivable, but not as long as Hamas has all the guns.

417 JCM  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 7:19:30am

re: #412 HoosierHoops

Good morning lizards! Gosh the coffee is fresh!

Special blend this morning , Kopi Luwak!

418 realwest  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 7:19:44am

re: #390 Ayatollah Ghilmeini Well sure, I wouldn't want to be the one to tell a family that their loved one(s) are not gonna be negotiated for; but I don't recall seeing anything about Hamas releasing Gilad Shalit in exchange for the proposed Hudna, either. And of all your solutions, I'd respectfully submit that "Prevent them from getting safe bases of operation." is probably the real key in answering terrorists taking hostages in the first place.
I LIKE sending in 3 armored divisions, mind you, but I think the key to prevent future hostage taking (and Hamas has, iirc, talked about capturing other IDF warriors to hold as hostages during the initial stages of Cast Lead) is to give them nowhere to run to and no where to hide.

419 Nevergiveup  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 7:20:04am

re: #416 Lincolntf

In regards to "Releasing hundreds and hundreds of terrorists in return for corpses and vague (never consummated) promises of peace has failed miserably."...Somebody should tell Obama that and maybe closing Gitmo ain't such a good idea?

420 yma o hyd  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 7:20:34am

re: #396 lawhawk

Here's just another interesting piece of information, illsutrating what you say:
Hamas reiterated its determination to continue its attacks against Israel despite the possibility of an Israeli cabinet decision on Saturday night to accept a unilateral cease-fire after three weeks of fighting in the Gaza Strip.

That, together with Egypts sudden itnransigence, makes me wonder if the Israeli Cabinet will indeed go for an unilateral ceasefire tonight.

If they do - the next President will without doubt be Bibi N., and it will be the end of Kadima.

421 HoosierHoops  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 7:21:00am

re: #417 JCM

Special blend this morning , Kopi Luwak!

That's a shitty coffee if you ask me..

422 JCM  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 7:22:35am

re: #414 yma o hyd

@ 3): far far too much! I don't want see children starve - but so far, we've seen from across the globe that aid is pilfered by the ruling kleptocracy, or is sold to buy more weapons which then are used against the civilians.

Any officials, from Ban-Ki Moon downwards, who howl and wail about what Israel is doing are utterly discredited since none of them have done anything at all, not even howling and wailing, about darfur, Zimbabwe, DR Congo, Sri Lanka ... just to name a few.

Aid only prolongs the suffering of the children of Gaza. It frees up resources, and decreases the internal pressure on Hamas. It only is a short term feel good solution. It exacerbates the root cause.

423 _RememberTonyC  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 7:23:31am

iranian scumbag cleric calls for murder of Israeli Foreign Minister Tzipi Livni:

[Link: www.jpost.com...]

For the life of me, I cannot figure out why more women around the world are not marching in the streets against islam and its misogyny. Other than Brigitte Gabriel, I really can't think of any prominent women who are rallying support against the "religion of female oppression."

424 opnion  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 7:23:32am

Good Morning lizard Nation. The Dear Leader is now addressing a crowd in Philadelphia. He is really trying to get the Abe Lincoln thing goin on, even mentioning, "Our Better Angels."
He will replicate the Lincoln train ride to the Inauguration. Lincoln did it in secrecy since there was fear of assassination. As usual everything that Obama does is geared toward self-aggrandizement, even a letter to his daughters.

425 albusteve  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 7:23:32am

re: #414 yma o hyd

@ 3): far far too much! I don't want see children starve - but so far, we've seen from across the globe that aid is pilfered by the ruling kleptocracy, or is sold to buy more weapons which then are used against the civilians.

Any officials, from Ban-Ki Moon downwards, who howl and wail about what Israel is doing are utterly discredited since none of them have done anything at all, not even howling and wailing, about darfur, Zimbabwe, DR Congo, Sri Lanka ... just to name a few.

high paid limo riding officialized sanctioned killers...like some Godfather they sit in a posh office ignoring the deaths of people they are responsible for while lining their pockets on your dime...murderers

426 eon  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 7:25:44am

re: #408 JCM

Damn, people sure are desperate to give me money.

Mrs. Jessica Moyo wants help getting $7.1 million out of Zimbabwe. I'd get $1.4 million.

Mr. Martins Ikah, of the South Africa Department of Minerals and Energy. Would like help moving $38.5 million, I'd get 25%.

Vincent Chang in Hong Kong is working for Gen Zaiki Taha Abdel of Iraqi. Will pay me half a million to transfer some funds around.

I need to get busy...
*click*
*click*
*click*

There all deleted.

Darn. All I got was a letter from Mrs. Nigel Obundu Mrs., who wanted to know why I was ignoring Jesus, Yahweh, and Shiva's commands that I send her "large amounts of monies now!"

Check. Click. Delete.

It amazes me that there are still enough people out there who fall for this stuff that the scammers still consider it worthwhile to try. (Of course, spamming is essentially free, too.)

cheers

eon

427 Cathypop  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 7:26:11am

re: #424 opnion

Good Morning lizard Nation. The Dear Leader is now addressing a crowd in Philadelphia. He is really trying to get the Abe Lincoln thing goin on, even mentioning, "Our Better Angels."
He will replicate the Lincoln train ride to the Inauguration. Lincoln did it in secrecy since there was fear of assassination. As usual everything that Obama does is geared toward self-aggrandizement, even a letter to his daughters.

Sounds like the next week is going to be filled with alot of OOOHing and AAAHing from the media. ARGH!

428 JCM  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 7:26:16am

re: #424 opnion

Good Morning lizard Nation. The Dear Leader is now addressing a crowd in Philadelphia. He is really trying to get the Abe Lincoln thing goin on, even mentioning, "Our Better Angels."
He will replicate the Lincoln train ride to the Inauguration. Lincoln did it in secrecy since there was fear of assassination. As usual everything that Obama does is geared toward self-aggrandizement, even a letter to his daughters.

5 years in a community work brigade for you, until your attitude improves!

*not sure that is sarc*

429 HoosierHoops  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 7:26:44am

re: #425 albusteve

high paid limo riding officialized sanctioned killers...like some Godfather they sit in a posh office ignoring the deaths of people they are responsible for while lining their pockets on your dime...murderers

Morning!
I'm watching the goodfellas this morning...They're just like Gaza Gangsters..

430 DeafDog  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 7:26:49am

re: #414 yma o hyd

@ 3): far far too much! I don't want see children starve - but so far, we've seen from across the globe that aid is pilfered by the ruling kleptocracy, or is sold to buy more weapons which then are used against the civilians.

This raises an interesting debate.

In general, the effects of foreign aid on any recipient country is very similar to effects of welfare on recipients. Nations, like individuals, learn to game the system and are incented to be unproductive in a variety of ways.

Hamas is the worst possible basket-case. They are like a crack-head on welfare who also steals everything in sight, without any real thought for anyone else.

431 opnion  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 7:28:25am

re: #426 eon

Darn. All I got was a letter from Mrs. Nigel Obundu Mrs., who wanted to know why I was ignoring Jesus, Yahweh, and Shiva's commands that I send her "large amounts of monies now!"

Check. Click. Delete.

It amazes me that there are still enough people out there who fall for this stuff that the scammers still consider it worthwhile to try. (Of course, spamming is essentially free, too.)

cheers

eon


You are so right, people are naive. Now the guy from Nigeria is legit.
I am all in, giving him my SS # & access to my checking account.
I don't see any problem, do you?

432 realwest  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 7:28:48am

re: #394 Bubblehead II
Good morning Bublehead II ! Just need to rant a little here.
WTF is wrong with the media in this country - and no that's not a bs question. Joe The Plumber asks a perfectly legitimate question of Obama. Obama gives a nothing answer. Does the MFM ask Obama to answer that question? Do they "gently nudge" Obama? No they tear up Joe's entire Life - everything about him. Because he dared ask Obama a legitimate question. Now we have this pilot who, by every possible standard, is a genuine hero and they are going into his school records?!? WTF? I don't frankly care if he had washed out of flight school three times before getting his wings; what he did was truly heroic and magical, so who gives a flying F**k if he missed 45 days in first grade?!
/mini rant off.

433 albusteve  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 7:28:52am

here it comes...the BO criminal enterprise picking up steam...ACORN gets some payola...

[Link: yidwithlid.blogspot.com...]

434 Nevergiveup  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 7:28:59am

re: #430 DeafDog

This raises an interesting debate.

In general, the effects of foreign aid on any recipient country is very similar to effects of welfare on recipients. Nations, like individuals, learn to game the system and are incented to be unproductive in a variety of ways.

Hamas is the worst possible basket-case. They are like a crack-head on welfare who also steals everything in sight, without any real thought for anyone else.

Actually the foreign aid I was originally talking about was that which we give to Egypt. For all that money, you would think we would get a tad more cooperation or else!

435 opnion  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 7:29:18am

re: #428 JCM

5 years in a community work brigade for you, until your attitude improves!

*not sure that is sarc*

I prefer to think of it as 'Motivational Camp."

436 DeafDog  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 7:29:19am

re: #422 JCM

Yup.

437 yma o hyd  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 7:29:50am

re: #423 _RememberTonyC

iranian scumbag cleric calls for murder of Israeli Foreign Minister Tzipi Livni:

[Link: www.jpost.com...]

For the life of me, I cannot figure out why more women around the world are not marching in the streets against islam and its misogyny. Other than Brigitte Gabriel, I really can't think of any prominent women who are rallying support against the "religion of female oppression."

They cannot even bring themselves to rally support for Shirin Ebadi, who got the Nobel peace prize - and who is constantly threatened by the Mad Mullahs, even thrown into prison now and then ...
I'll never forgive them for not standing up against the Taleban when they killed women just for being wome.
Hypocrites.

438 albusteve  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 7:30:02am

re: #429 HoosierHoops

Morning!
I'm watching the goodfellas this morning...They're just like Gaza Gangsters..

hell of a movie...I love mobster movies, so many parallels to the feds

439 Cathypop  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 7:30:41am

re: #432 realwest

Excelent rant

440 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 7:31:13am

re: #432 realwest

Good morning Bublehead II ! Just need to rant a little here.
WTF is wrong with the media in this country - and no that's not a bs question. Joe The Plumber asks a perfectly legitimate question of Obama. Obama gives a nothing answer. Does the MFM ask Obama to answer that question? Do they "gently nudge" Obama? No they tear up Joe's entire Life - everything about him. Because he dared ask Obama a legitimate question. Now we have this pilot who, by every possible standard, is a genuine hero and they are going into his school records?!? WTF? I don't frankly care if he had washed out of flight school three times before getting his wings; what he did was truly heroic and magical, so who gives a flying F**k if he missed 45 days in first grade?!
/mini rant off.

The MSM loves to build people like Obama up and tear other people down.

441 vxbush  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 7:31:31am

Morning, my lizard friends. I am very glad to be awake, as I had a nasty nightmare last night.

My interesting juxtaposition of the day: If you've ever read That Hideous Strength by C.S. Lewis, then you know the bad guys there have created an organization called N.I.C.E. What do I read today but this:

The designated Health and Human Services Secretary, Tom Daschle, for example, advocates the creation of a federal health board that will decide and regulate what treatments people can/will receive to ensure “quality” and impose price controls to reign in costs. According to his book, Critical: What We Can Do About the Health-Care Crisis, Daschle proposed federal oversight modeled after the UK’s National Institute for Health and Clinical Excellence (NICE). It will override doctors or consumers’ choices and decide what care is “quality” or too expensive, effective or obligatory. It is like the model tested in Massachusetts.

I already dislike Daschle immensely, and find this approach to healthcare unconscionable. But is this where Lewis got his NICE? How long has that institute been in existence? Going to find out.

442 realwest  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 7:31:42am

re: #396 lawhawk good morning lawhawk - spot on post as usual. I swear the forces of evil are growing faster than the forces of good can kill 'em all. But we gotta keep trying. I'm wondering what effect the elections in Israel are having on the decision making there right now?

443 JCM  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 7:31:44am

re: #435 opnion

I prefer to think of it as 'Motivational Camp."


Joy Camp

444 opnion  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 7:31:44am

re: #432 realwest
Real, I got your answer. J Schools are turning out agenda driven cretins.

445 Bubblehead II  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 7:32:03am

re: #432 realwest

Good rant and many good points. Blood pressure lower? :-)

446 realwest  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 7:33:04am

re: #398 BenZacharia
That is truly excellent news Ben - and it has happened to a deserving couple, too.
Uh, without giving any secrets away, what is a depression proof industry?!

447 HoosierHoops  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 7:33:13am

re: #434 Nevergiveup

Actually the foreign aid I was originally talking about was that which we give to Egypt. For all that money, you would think we would get a tad more cooperation or else!

Speaking of welfare..You know the Gov't Dole in the Netherlands is a pretty sweet setup..Good money not to work..Ya never know I'd probably hang out by the canals all day in Amsterdam and paint pictures and hang out in the coffee houses and ..drink coffee *cough*.
/ I mean a guy can dream can't he?
//

448 yma o hyd  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 7:33:54am

re: #430 DeafDog

This raises an interesting debate.

In general, the effects of foreign aid on any recipient country is very similar to effects of welfare on recipients. Nations, like individuals, learn to game the system and are incented to be unproductive in a variety of ways.

Hamas is the worst possible basket-case. They are like a crack-head on welfare who also steals everything in sight, without any real thought for anyone else.

Yes - it is exactly the same situation, on national scales, as we see in our so-called 'deprived' areas, where huge numbers of people live on welfare, some for generations, and having gamed the system are materially far better off than the normal working family. even in old age they get care without paying a penny, wherea those who paid their dues, their taxes, saved, paid off their debts - ahve to sell everything, family home included - because they're 'rich' and have to pay every single item out of their own pockets, and at higher prices than those eternal welfare people in the room or bed next to them.

/Pet rant over.

449 vxbush  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 7:34:29am

Hmm. According to Wikipedia, NICE hasn't been around that long:

The National Institute for Health and Clinical Excellence or NICE is a special health authority of the National Health Service (NHS) in England and Wales. It was set up as the National Institute for Clinical Excellence in 1999, and on 1 April 2005 joined with the Health Development Agency to become the new National Institute for Health and Clinical Excellence (still abbreviated as NICE).

Still. Lewis enthusiasts in Britain must have been shocked when that institute opened.

450 ciaospirit  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 7:35:24am

re: #433 albusteve

here it comes...the BO criminal enterprise picking up steam...ACORN gets some payola...

[Link: yidwithlid.blogspot.com...]

What the hell is an ACORN neighborhood? They learned "Obama speak" very well.

Because of reality facing America's low- and moderate-income communities, ACORN members and their neighborhoods function as the canaries in our nation's economic coal mine. In many cases, our members are experiencing severe economic dislocation, but, despite their personal hardship, they are organizing for a progressive response to the worsening economic situation facing the entire United States.

451 Taqiyyotomist  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 7:35:41am

re: #365 Bubblehead II

From the FoxNews article on pilot's academic records:

The hero pilot who miraculously guided his crippled jet into a textbook landing in the icy Hudson River was a straight-A student as a schoolboy in Denison, Texas — but his school district gets an "F" for making his academic records public.

Hypocrites at Fox, this quote is placed right next to a photo (click for larger size) of the "f"-garnering records. Then after the 2nd para, "Click for more pictures". They'll probably discuss this at length, all day, on the FoxNews cable channel, complete with salacious zooms of this document, all while bemoaning their release. Hannity will probably give us a complete "word picture" of the document on his radio show three-hour self-advertisement, as well. Anything for ratings.

What, they figure, "the records are already out there, so we can disseminate them far and wide, and simultaneously we'll excoriate the school for making them public. And our idiot moron imbecile TV-soaked audience WON'T EVEN SEE THE DISCONNECT!"

Fox is MSM. Just pretending otherwise. Pieces of shit. Hypocrites. Home of Geraldo and Buchanan. F**k 'em all. Toss your TV in the dumpster. Better yet, drop it from a tall building onto a "journalist".

452 yma o hyd  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 7:36:24am

re: #434 Nevergiveup

Actually the foreign aid I was originally talking about was that which we give to Egypt. For all that money, you would think we would get a tad more cooperation or else!

Doesn't matter which state it is - the do-gooders will say giving aid on conditions is demeaning, be it to nations or to people.

Needless to say, thats not how I see it, and the former SU certainly had conditions attached to the meagre aid they gave out ...

453 albusteve  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 7:36:30am

here's part of the set up from Philly...listen to the language of BOs speach...it's all a fraud


[Link: blogs.abcnews.com...]

454 opnion  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 7:36:37am

re: #443 JCM

Joy Camp

I watched the Mummy with Branden Fraiser for probably the fifth time last night.
Watching the scene with the mob walking through the streets chanting "Imotee", I thought of the coming inaugaration. I will not be surprised if they spontaneously brake into, "Obama, Obama, Obama" with glazed over eyes.

455 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 7:37:59am

re: #421 HoosierHoops

That's a shitty coffee if you ask me..

Be happy you have any kind of coffee. My doctor would prefer if I drank decaf, and I can't afford anything but cheap coffee, and I have a friend that supplies me with bulk commercial decaf no-brand coffee packages which I believe are dried and ground particles of shit. But it's better than no coffee.

So, be happy, drink your coffee :)

456 realwest  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 7:38:02am

re: #404 yma o hyd
Good morning {yma} - hey be careful with that talk of "mid thirties" temperature; most of us out her are barely in double digits and we're freezing our collective asses off!

457 DeafDog  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 7:38:02am

re: #434 Nevergiveup

Actually the foreign aid I was originally talking about was that which we give to Egypt. For all that money, you would think we would get a tad more cooperation or else!

I again have to draw a parallel to domestic welfare.

There are plenty of millionairs/billionaires who have paid huge tax bills over the years. Much of these taxes went to pay welfare to various 'underprivilidged' individuals.

Along comes a Reagan or a GWB who says, 'Ya know, these rich folks seem to be good at growing businesses and creating jobs. Let's reduce the % of money they pay in taxes so they can grow more jobs. This way, the rich will actually pay more in taxes, since they will make more money."

How do the welfare recipients react? With hate! How dare you reduce the % the rich folk pay! Instead, give me more money!

See the parallel?

458 Lincolntf  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 7:39:22am

re: #432 realwest

Yet another prime example of how the media has abrogated their responsibility to provide unbiased information in favor of ginning up faux-scandals and mindlessly "spinning" everything from the weather to movie reviews.

Spitballing here...
The Press gets special protection in our Constitution, but that special protection does not extend to partisan political efforts. I'd love to see a study that quantified how much real info. a news agency provides compared to how much political pap it spews.How about a law that any agency falling under 50% "real news" loses their right to press passes and all the other special rights reserved for the press?
Unworkable, I know, but it would be pretty funny to watch CNN, MSNBC, NYT, etc. all go dark at the same instant that the law was passed.

459 JCM  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 7:39:29am

re: #444 opnion

Real, I got your answer. J Schools are turning out agenda driven cretins.

Seriously. I read a report awhile back. Education and Journalism depts consistent drew from the bottom of the student pool.

460 opnion  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 7:39:31am

re: #453 albusteve

here's part of the set up from Philly...listen to the language of BOs speach...it's all a fraud


[Link: blogs.abcnews.com...]


He even sanwiched in the Global Warming hoax.

461 Nevergiveup  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 7:39:41am

17:12 Egypt invites Sarkozy, Abbas for talks on Gaza (Reuters)

WHY? Why not just invite goofy and mickey?

462 VegasRick  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 7:40:01am

re: #453 albusteve

here's part of the set up from Philly...listen to the language of BOs speach...it's all a fraud


[Link: blogs.abcnews.com...]

And so it begins. Gonna be a long 4 years.

463 realwest  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 7:40:08am

re: #410 JCM Yeah, that's warm for me - we're stuck on 13 here right now - but thanks for that Think Warm! I could almost feel the blood coursing through my veins when I looked at that!

464 albusteve  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 7:40:35am

re: #450 ciaospirit

"organizing for a progressive response"...right there in plain language

465 lawhawk  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 7:40:46am

re: #442 realwest

I think the Israeli public has had its fill of hudnas and wants to finish Hamas off. They'll go with whoever they think will have the stones to finish them off. Israelis were in disagreement over the Gaza disengagement, but now are virtually united in a need to finish Hamas off once and for all. Hamas started this war, but Israel will finish it; and Israel must tell the world to piss off given that none would ever tolerate the incessant rocket attacks that Israel has endured for years on end without seeking to destroy Hamas years ago. Israel's restraint has worked against it, Hamas saw it as weakness and exploited that situation. Combined with the incessant anti-Israel media drumbeat, Israel has been on the defensive, even though no other country would dare tolerate years of war and terrorism against it as Israel has.

So, when you hear about Syria lecturing on human rights abuses, I laugh and snort Hama rules!

When I hear that the Arabs are meeting to discuss their strategery against Israel and see that they've invited Sudan's leaders to attend, I think of the Darfur genocide and why none of those Arab states have raised a finger or a voice to demand the Khartoum regime stop, let alone demand war crimes trials for the same.

I could go on, but you get the point. Everything done in the Middle East is a double standard. Israel must adhere to an impossibly high standard, and Hamas has no culpability. The diplomats push this meme and ignore Hamas violations, since it would interfere with their plans for a Nobel Prize or other accolades. Human rights groups focus on Israel and ignore Hamas war crimes. Hamas gets mentioned only in passing as starting this war (if they ever bother to mention Hamas at all). The media is at fault for this mess by refusing to report objectively - and they have taken sides. Calling Livni a terrorist is not the sign of objectivity. It's the sign of mental illness and moral bankruptcy.

466 eon  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 7:40:56am

re: #431 opnion

You are so right, people are naive. Now the guy from Nigeria is legit.
I am all in, giving him my SS # & access to my checking account.
I don't see any problem, do you?

The hilarious thing is, this all started after the oil bust, when actual Nigerian oil ministry types were actually trying to hide assets from foreign creditors. The legislature there had "conveniently" overlooked putting prohibitions against such maneuvers into the country's financial statutes, so it technically wasn't illegal- which was what the Nigerian Ministry of Justice told other nations' equivalents, including our Justice Department, when they demanded action against the scammers. "Such transactions are not illegal here, therefore we have no legal basis for action, and will take none."

Then, of course, the much-maligned Bush DOJ told them that if they didn't, Nigeria would have serious problems doing legitimate business with the U.S and its allies.

Their laws changed quite rapidly after that. Which is why most such scams today emanate from Europe, not Nigeria. Meaning, the guy who wants to "move money out of Nigeria", or wherever, is actually sitting in a coffee shop in Bucharest, or Buda, or Pest, or Paris, for that matter, sipping latte' and tapping away on his Vaio. Which is his only actual "asset", unless you count his numbered bank account.

cheers

eon

467 WhiteRasta  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 7:41:10am

re: #446 realwest

..."what is a depression proof industry?!..


Drug dealer...

468 lawhawk  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 7:41:42am

re: #461 Nevergiveup

17:12 Egypt invites Sarkozy, Abbas for talks on Gaza (Reuters)

WHY? Why not just invite goofy and mickey?

They did. /

469 HoosierHoops  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 7:41:54am

re: #455 Walter L. Newton

Be happy you have any kind of coffee. My doctor would prefer if I drank decaf, and I can't afford anything but cheap coffee, and I have a friend that supplies me with bulk commercial decaf no-brand coffee packages which I believe are dried and ground particles of shit. But it's better than no coffee.

So, be happy, drink your coffee :)

Good morning Walter..How did it go last night?
/Boink any actresses after the show?
//Even if you didn't..just say you did...

470 VegasRick  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 7:42:00am

re: #461 Nevergiveup

17:12 Egypt invites Sarkozy, Abbas for talks on Gaza (Reuters)

WHY? Why not just invite goofy and mickey?

Goofy and Mickey had a more important engagement.

471 opnion  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 7:42:02am

re: #459 JCM

Seriously. I read a report awhile back. Education and Journalism depts consistent drew from the bottom of the student pool.

Actually, as I recall that is true. If memory serves me, poor math skills is a prerequisite for J school.

472 ciaospirit  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 7:42:11am

re: #461 Nevergiveup

17:12 Egypt invites Sarkozy, Abbas for talks on Gaza (Reuters)

WHY? Why not just invite goofy and mickey?

hahahaha

473 yma o hyd  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 7:42:31am

re: #441 vxbush

That 'NICE' here in the UK is in constant trouble.
As the NHS is state run, NICE determines if certain drugs are economically efficient, and can thus be allowed to be made available on the NHS.
Well - Aricept, the alzheimer drug, was forbidden by them, because the daily does was not deemed to increase the wuality of life for patients - i.e. it was too expensive.
Never mind that it allowed those with mild alzheimers to ahve a prolonged reasonable quality of life, never mind that doctors were happy to prescribe it because it kept patients out of care homes for longer - NICE said no.

Great outcry - they are 'revising' it. Hah!

All modern anti-cancer drugs are also deemed to be too expensive, even where all others have failed, and the patients are given another six months to live.

You might try to buy it privately - but then they said the NHS must bill you for administering the drug, for all checks, nurses' time, even the needles and cotton wool!

Yeah - NICE is nice, go for it!
NOT!

474 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 7:42:39am

re: #456 realwest

Good morning {yma} - hey be careful with that talk of "mid thirties" temperature; most of us out her are barely in double digits and we're freezing our collective asses off!

We had a cold snap in December. Teens in the days, single digits or below zero over night, when on for about two weeks.

Unusually warm today, going into the 60's.

475 Bubblehead II  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 7:42:40am

re: #451 Taqiyyotomist

You will also notice that the School District asked them to destroy the documents.

Boettger, who was shocked that the files had been made public, asked FOXNews.com to delete them.

/ Can't let the opposition scoop ya.

476 DeafDog  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 7:43:10am

re: #448 yma o hyd


And not only do they game the system, but they are angry at the people who pay their welfare! It's not that poor hate the rich because the rich give them handouts, IMO. It's a self-loathing because the hand-outs received reduce the value of the individuals who receive it. So they lash out. It's a circular argument, in a way, and I'm not sure I'm explaining it right. Does that make sense?

477 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 7:43:34am

re: #454 opnion

I watched the Mummy with Branden Fraiser for probably the fifth time last night.
Watching the scene with the mob walking through the streets chanting "Imotee", I thought of the coming inaugaration. I will not be surprised if they spontaneously brake into, "Obama, Obama, Obama" with glazed over eyes.

Wrong chant. His chant goes like this: "O-ba-ma! O-ba-ma!" Learn it, be prepared to get it right when his minion quiz you. Your access to bailout funds depends on it!

/sarc

478 notutopia  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 7:43:34am

I’m a big boy now, Johnny.
— Plan 9 from Outer Space


The Bigger you are, the Harder you FALL...Ask Humpty Dumpty.

Obama Inauguration kickoffs begin in Philadelphia...

479 realwest  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 7:43:46am

re: #421 HoosierHoops
ROFL! Hey Hoops, how are you doing?

480 opnion  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 7:44:28am

re: #466 eon

Good info. Thanks

481 JCM  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 7:44:37am

re: #463 realwest

Yeah, that's warm for me - we're stuck on 13 here right now - but thanks for that Think Warm! I could almost feel the blood coursing through my veins when I looked at that!

I want a refund on the Carbon Credits I bought from Algore!
///

482 albusteve  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 7:45:20am

the Minneapolis Star Tribune is filing for bankrupcy...heh...not a small paper...snagged from Breitbart, no link

483 faraway  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 7:45:44am
484 yma o hyd  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 7:46:05am

re: #456 realwest

Good morning {yma} - hey be careful with that talk of "mid thirties" temperature; most of us out her are barely in double digits and we're freezing our collective asses off!

Hiya {rw}!

Well - we did just that (freezing our collective behinds off!) until the beginning of this week, since before Christmas, so we know what you go through.

Still, in a couple of months we'll be moaning about the rain here in Wales - and then about the heat ... we loves moaning about the weather, we do!

485 HoosierHoops  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 7:46:29am

re: #479 realwest

ROFL! Hey Hoops, how are you doing?

Doing wonderful today...If you lived closer I'd run next door and pour you a cup of this outstanding batch of coffee.. Yummy stuff!

486 realwest  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 7:46:37am

re: #429 HoosierHoops
NOPE. The Goodfellas actually had a code of conduct - of sorts - regarding the murdering of innocents. The Gangsters of Gaza's code of conduct calls for the murdering of Israeli children.
BIG DIFFERENCE.

487 faraway  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 7:46:48am

oops I see I'm slow.

488 ciaospirit  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 7:46:57am

re: #478 notutopia

I’m a big boy now, Johnny.
— Plan 9 from Outer Space

The Bigger you are, the Harder you FALL...Ask Humpty Dumpty.

Obama Inauguration kickoffs begin in Philadelphia...

Make sure all you good Americans sacrifice in some way this week so that we can pay for Obama's extravagance. It means you're patriotic. Just ask Obama.

489 opnion  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 7:47:03am

re: #477 Dark_Falcon

Wrong chant. His chant goes like this: "O-ba-ma! O-ba-ma!" Learn it, be prepared to get it right when his minion quiz you. Your access to bailout funds depends on it!

/sarc

Oh man, your right. I am working on that , cause I ant my check from the Dear Leader.

490 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 7:47:35am

re: #469 HoosierHoops

Good morning Walter..How did it go last night?
/Boink any actresses after the show?
//Even if you didn't..just say you did...

Oh come on. I been working (part time) in regional theatre for 42 years (full time the last 13 months) and I can tell you, theatre is no place to meet "mates."

Hell, it's loaded with self-serving, ego obsessed human beings who need the tribal support of the process of "putting on a show" or else they can't function.

The mental pathologies you find in theatre are amazing. It's sort of like some people say that football players belong on a team to keep that pent up aggression away from the public. Well, it's the same thing with theatre people, they belong there.

Of course, except me :)

491 JCM  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 7:48:04am

re: #471 opnion

Actually, as I recall that is true. If memory serves me, poor math skills is a prerequisite for J school.

LOL! Long time ago in one of the Seattle papers they had a big expose on how gun laws in Canada were working. Canada had far fewer murders and gun crimes. Huge front page spread, then several follow ups. The numbers where 10x fewer than the US, proof positive gun laws worked.

The forgot one thing, to normalize for population. Canada has 10x fewer people.
The RATE was virtually the same.

492 VegasRick  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 7:48:35am

re: #482 albusteve

the Minneapolis Star Tribune is filing for bankrupcy...heh...not a small paper...snagged from Breitbart, no link

Good news travels fast.
[Link: news.yahoo.com...]

493 realwest  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 7:49:22am

re: #444 opnion
More like agenda driven robots.

494 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 7:49:53am

re: #476 DeafDog

And not only do they game the system, but they are angry at the people who pay their welfare! It's not that poor hate the rich because the rich give them handouts, IMO. It's a self-loathing because the hand-outs received reduce the value of the individuals who receive it. So they lash out. It's a circular argument, in a way, and I'm not sure I'm explaining it right. Does that make sense?

Yes. Like my soon to be ex "girlfriend," who is in the hospital because of a broken back due to a rollover car wreck, she has no insurance, so she is in there on the taxpayers dollar and she is treating everyone from the doc's to the social workers like shit.

Yep, you made it real clear.

495 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 7:50:09am

re: #461 Nevergiveup

17:12 Egypt invites Sarkozy, Abbas for talks on Gaza (Reuters)

WHY? Why not just invite goofy and mickey?

Donald Duck talked them out of it.

496 realwest  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 7:50:15am

re: #445 Bubblehead II
No, not really - it would take ALL of Charles' bandwidth for me to rant away my higher than it should be BP!

497 Taqiyyotomist  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 7:50:52am

re: #483 faraway

Obama Calls for "A New Declaration of Independence"

I think that most politicians are deathly afraid that if Americans ever get around to actually reading and comprehending the OLD Declaration of Independence, we'll get some crazy ideas about throwing off this tyranny. I don't blame him. Were I in his shoes, I'd want to BAN the document.

God help us all.

498 yma o hyd  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 7:50:56am

re: #476 DeafDog

And not only do they game the system, but they are angry at the people who pay their welfare! It's not that poor hate the rich because the rich give them handouts, IMO. It's a self-loathing because the hand-outs received reduce the value of the individuals who receive it. So they lash out. It's a circular argument, in a way, and I'm not sure I'm explaining it right. Does that make sense?

It does make sense to me, certainly as seen from the UK, where we had eleven years on NuLab, neostalinist petting of welfare recipients.
Interestingly enough, its not the really rich who are hated, its the middle class who is harldy much better off, but who strives to be independent from the stae, and who strives to do the best for their children, even if that means no plasma TV, no foreign holidays, no shiny new cars ..

499 albusteve  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 7:51:14am

nice explanation of BO sleight of hand socialists tax scheme...so transparent that he is obviously pandering to the wandering droolers...


[Link: pajamasmedia.com...]

500 [deleted]  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 7:51:35am
501 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 7:51:42am

Off to my game. Talk to you tonight.

502 JCM  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 7:52:07am

re: #483 faraway

Obama Calls for "A New Declaration of Independence"

Ignorant, arrogant, fucking tool. He hasn't a clue what that document is about.
Life? Only if your wanted.
Liberty? Hah, think again.
Pursuit of Happiness? Only with permission, and at a 80% marginal rate.

The One treads dangerously close to the grievances listed in the document.

503 albusteve  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 7:52:07am

re: #492 VegasRick

Good news travels fast.
[Link: news.yahoo.com...]

thanks...I am too lazy to track it down :)

504 realwest  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 7:53:28am

re: #461 Nevergiveup
Cause goofy and mickey were actually doing something worthwhile?!

505 HoosierHoops  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 7:53:33am

re: #490 Walter L. Newton

Oh come on. I been working (part time) in regional theatre for 42 years (full time the last 13 months) and I can tell you, theatre is no place to meet "mates."

Hell, it's loaded with self-serving, ego obsessed human beings who need the tribal support of the process of "putting on a show" or else they can't function.

The mental pathologies you find in theatre are amazing. It's sort of like some people say that football players belong on a team to keep that pent up aggression away from the public. Well, it's the same thing with theatre people, they belong there.

Of course, except me :)


You're really harshing my buzz about actresses...
I know what you're saying I got a buddy that plays in Etta James band and everytime he comes off tour we rag him constantly about groupies...
But really being on the road with musicians is way over rated.. I'd throw a TV through a window of the Hotel once a week just to keep my street cred.

506 Taqiyyotomist  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 7:53:38am

re: #502 JCM

The One treads dangerously close to the grievances listed in the document.

Our government has far surpassed the grievances listed in the document.
IMHO.

507 opnion  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 7:53:44am

re: #491 JCM

LOL! Long time ago in one of the Seattle papers they had a big expose on how gun laws in Canada were working. Canada had far fewer murders and gun crimes. Huge front page spread, then several follow ups. The numbers where 10x fewer than the US, proof positive gun laws worked.

The forgot one thing, to normalize for population. Canada has 10x fewer people.
The RATE was virtually the same.


You can prove anything with stats if you are sneaky enough. The NYT is back to asserting that we are returning psycho murderers from Iraq & Afghanistan, a clear slap at the troops. They omit that the murder rate for combat vets is geometrically lower for their non-combat peers in the same age group.

508 VegasRick  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 7:54:00am

re: #503 albusteve

thanks...I am too lazy to track it down :)

No prob. Made me feel good to post it.

509 DeafDog  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 7:54:13am

re: #494 Walter L. Newton

Yes. Like my soon to be ex "girlfriend," who is in the hospital because of a broken back due to a rollover car wreck, she has no insurance, so she is in there on the taxpayers dollar and she is treating everyone from the doc's to the social workers like shit.

Yep, you made it real clear.


Sounds like she already is your ex-gf, she just doesn't know it yet.

/Don't mean to make light, it's always tough to break up, but one has to keep a sesnse of humor.

510 notutopia  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 7:54:28am

re: #488 ciaospirit

Make sure all you good Americans sacrifice in some way this week so that we can pay for Obama's extravagance. It means you're patriotic. Just ask Obama.


Sickening...Unbelievable debt and he's spending money on a hardy party. It is a sign of the times of economic free spending for feel
good agendas... Oh look at the pretty 10,000.00 dresses...the million dollars of fireworks...the press rolling in champagne...the millions of people who are taking the day off (with lost wages) from work or school to watch this on HBO. No one claiming this is utterly ridiculous!
Sign of the next 4 years to come.

511 NYCHardhat  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 7:54:42am

re: #497 Taqiyyotomist

I think that most politicians are deathly afraid that if Americans ever get around to actually reading and comprehending the OLD Declaration of Independence, we'll get some crazy ideas about throwing off this tyranny. I don't blame him. Were I in his shoes, I'd want to BAN the document.

God help us all.

I used to be scared. Now I am just waiting for the bottom to drop out. The new currency: water, canned food, and hollow points.

512 Taqiyyotomist  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 7:55:59am

re: #510 notutopia

Sickening...Unbelievable debt and he's spending money on a hardy party. It is a sign of the times of economic free spending for feel
good agendas... Oh look at the pretty 10,000.00 dresses...the million dollars of fireworks...the press rolling in champagne...the millions of people who are taking the day off (with lost wages) from work or school to watch this on HBO. No one claiming this is utterly ridiculous!
Sign of the next 4 years to come.

Oh just get over it already people, he WON!
///libf**k off.

513 albusteve  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 7:56:06am

re: #491 JCM

LOL! Long time ago in one of the Seattle papers they had a big expose on how gun laws in Canada were working. Canada had far fewer murders and gun crimes. Huge front page spread, then several follow ups. The numbers where 10x fewer than the US, proof positive gun laws worked.

The forgot one thing, to normalize for population. Canada has 10x fewer people.
The RATE was virtually the same.

yesterday I went to a Wal Mart in Rio Rancho to pick up a coupla boxes of 12ga ammo...there was no slug/00/000 buck...all gone...some guy bought all of it the day before...900$ worth

514 realwest  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 7:56:28am

re: #465 lawhawk
Yup and you can throw in my #246 above into that mix as well.

515 DeafDog  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 7:56:45am

re: #502 JCM


The One treads dangerously close to the grievances listed in the document.

True, dat.

516 lawhawk  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 7:57:17am

re: #495 Dark_Falcon

/f'n goofy.

517 Taqiyyotomist  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 7:57:17am

re: #512 Taqiyyotomist

...///libf**k off.


because "Libtard", that's just too nice.

518 realwest  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 7:57:51am

re: #467 WhiteRasta
LOL! Good morning my friend! The only problem is that the pension plans for big time drug dealers is based upon awfully short actuarial tables!

519 ciaospirit  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 7:58:15am

re: #483 faraway

Obama Calls for "A New Declaration of Independence"

What would Obama have to say if he couldn't use other people's thoughts and words? Do you think he'll credit Lincoln or just let the media mention it?

"What is required is the same perseverance and idealism that our founders displayed," the President-elect will say, calling for a new declaration of independence "not just in our nation, but in our own lives – from ideology and small thinking, prejudice and bigotry – an appeal not to our easy instincts but to our better angels."

The reference to "better angels," like so much about this Inaugural, is a nod to the 16th President, who in his first Inaugural address expressed the hop that "every living heart and hearthstone, all over this broad land, will yet swell the chorus of the Union, when again touched, as surely they will be, by the better angels of our nature."

And here's his no matter what I do, don't challenge me.

As always, Mr. Obama will combine his lofty rhetoric with some expectations-lowering language, saying that "such enormous challenges will not be solved quickly. There will be false starts and setbacks, frustrations and disappointments. And we will be called to show patience even as we act with fierce urgency.

520 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 7:58:34am

re: #505 HoosierHoops

You're really harshing my buzz about actresses...
I know what you're saying I got a buddy that plays in Etta James band and everytime he comes off tour we rag him constantly about groupies...
But really being on the road with musicians is way over rated.. I'd throw a TV through a window of the Hotel once a week just to keep my street cred.

I played weekends (bar bands, wedding, private functions etc.) for 12 years strait and I never "picked up a chick" because I was in the band.

That it from someone who has been on the dull edge of the entertainment business most of my adult life. Theatre, major film, music, magician, stand up comic, it's all work, it's a job, and just like a any job, you don't have the time or the inclination of dating your fellow employees.

Yes, it happens, about as much as office romances happen, but the bottom line is it the same as going to work anyplace. At the end of your shift, you done, out of there, gone home.

That's what makes a professional. Someone who understands that the word "business" is part of the phrase "show business."

521 JCM  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 7:58:52am

re: #506 Taqiyyotomist

Our government has far surpassed the grievances listed in the document.
IMHO.

Close, we still elect our representatives. Though with WA '04 and MN '08 that is becoming a near thing. A major component is the replacement of elected government with selected governors.

The courts work, imperfectly. But depend on elected officials nominations.

As long as the 1st and 2nd Amends hold, we have no cause to invoke the Declaration.

522 VegasRick  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 7:58:53am

re: #516 lawhawk

/f'n goofy.

Divorce, cause she's acting a little strange?

523 Occasional Reader  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 7:58:55am

re: #491 JCM

The forgot one thing, to normalize for population. Canada has 10x fewer people.

That's because Canadians CARE about saving Earth Mother Gaia, you fascist.

See? They're even more superiorer than we are.

/J-School grad

524 Taqiyyotomist  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 7:59:05am

Regarding depression-proof Fortune 100 companies...

I didn't know there were any brothels in the Fortune 100?

525 realwest  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 7:59:11am

re: #471 opnion
Don't know about poor math skills, but an absolute ignorance of history is a prerequisite for getting into J schools.

526 Desert Dog  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 7:59:27am

Israel plans ceasefire

AND, how have thier objectives been achieved?

527 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 8:00:09am

re: #509 DeafDog

Sounds like she already is your ex-gf, she just doesn't know it yet.

/Don't mean to make light, it's always tough to break up, but one has to keep a sesnse of humor.

No problem. Yes, she is my ex, and she will understand that on Monday. And no, I'm not going to "dump" on her. But if she wants the bloody details, I'll be glad to explain it to her.

528 realwest  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 8:00:43am

re: #482 albusteve
Great news! IIRC they came out in favor of Franken for Senate!

529 DeafDog  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 8:00:59am

re: #524 Taqiyyotomist

Regarding depression-proof Fortune 100 companies...

I didn't know there were any brothels in the Fortune 100?

Fooled me. Seems like there are lots of whores working at the banks.

530 JCM  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 8:01:03am

re: #513 albusteve

yesterday I went to a Wal Mart in Rio Rancho to pick up a coupla boxes of 12ga ammo...there was no slug/00/000 buck...all gone...some guy bought all of it the day before...900$ worth

I've been having trouble finding .308.

531 Occasional Reader  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 8:01:06am

re: #483 faraway

Obama Calls for "A New Declaration of Independence"

Oh, goody, that means our national sovereignty won't be subordinated to the UN, right?

/crickets

532 slartybartfast  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 8:01:36am

I had an epiphany of sorts this morning...

Throughout the 2008 Presidential campaign, we were constantly fed the theme of "the historic nature" of B. Hussein Obama's candidacy, his nomination, and now his inauguration and presidency. Initially, I thought, "Historic? So, what? What does that add to the equation." However, after seeing a spin-off link this morning (sorry, I don't remember the contributor), I put it together.

As Mel Brooks once said, "It's the merchandising!"

From MSNBC's, "Inauguration Gets High-Tech Boost":

Our cable brethren at MSNBC have partnered up with Screenvision to present movie-theater viewings of the inauguration in cities across the country.

If you Google the words Obama historic you'll find millions of hits. (Oddly, Google didn't initially indicate any sites associated with Obama moron but there's actually an "Obama is a Moron" website.)

533 kcladderman  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 8:01:44am

re: #458 Lincolntf

Who decides what is news? The special task force on what is news? You ?Me?
Does it need to be news only on a particular subject? Does it need to be important news? So what you are saying if you don't find the news these independent news programs important enough they should be taken off the air?
You are equipped with two things to protect you from the so called bad news shows you want to ban, your brain and your remote. If someone wants to watch hours upon hours of Olberdumass spewing his distorted take on the world events that is their right. It is not up to you me or anyone else to decide what is news.

534 opnion  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 8:01:44am

There will be 10 Inaugural Balls, to honor the Dear Leader.
yo,yo, one of them will be a""Hip Hop" Ball.
If Obama has any cajones, he will show at that one wearing a dew rag, with his Sox hat on seideways & his ass hanging out of his pants.
That my friends would truly be historic.

535 VegasRick  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 8:01:58am

re: #526 Desert Dog

Israel plans ceasefire

AND, how have thier objectives been achieved?

Please no.

536 sattv4u2  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 8:02:31am

re: #527 Walter L. Newton

No problem. Yes, she is my ex, and she will understand that on Monday. And no, I'm not going to "dump" on her. But if she wants the bloody details, I'll be glad to explain it to her.

Make sure there's a witness in the hospital room with you. Spurned, she may develope a new 'sympton" that she'll be looking to cah in on! YOU don;'t want to be the cause of that "illness". A witness will protect you!

537 Taqiyyotomist  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 8:02:52am

re: #534 opnion

There will be 10 Inaugural Balls, to honor the Dear Leader.
yo,yo, one of them will be a""Hip Hop" Ball.
If Obama has any cajones, he will show at that one wearing a dew rag, with his Sox hat on seideways & his ass hanging out of his pants.
That my friends would truly be historic.

I wish we could get a Lizard to attend one of these, with a videocamera.

538 Occasional Reader  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 8:03:29am

re: #526 Desert Dog

Israel plans ceasefire

AND, how have thier objectives been achieved?

And don't you love the Reuters spin;

Without an accord with Hamas, diplomats said they feared Israel would let only a trickle of goods into Gaza, hampering reconstruction and creating more hardship for its people.

Even when the Jews announce a unilateral ceasefire, they're still being evil. It's a "unilateral" ceasefire! Just like they were criticized for their "unilateral" withdrawal from Gaza in the first place. We truly do live in Bizarro World.

539 Desert Dog  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 8:03:37am

re: #537 Taqiyyotomist

I wish we could get a Lizard to attend one of these, with a videocamera.

Send in Zombie, we need documentation of that one for sure

540 albusteve  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 8:04:04am

I so wish this story would get some legs...it would please me to see the Clintons have to answer to the law even after all these years...people have forgotten what slimy thieving felons those two assholes are...


[Link: www.wnd.com...]

541 yma o hyd  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 8:04:48am

re: #526 Desert Dog

Israel plans ceasefire

AND, how have thier objectives been achieved?

From that link:
'"The goal is to announce, subject to cabinet approval, a suspension of military activities because we believe our goals have been attained," said the official, asking not to be named.'

Yep - there are moonbats even in Israel, even in 'official' capacity. And trust Reuters to find them!

With the announcements coming out of Egypt ('No Foreign Troups on egypt soil'), and with Hamas vowing to fight on regardless, I very much doubt the cabinet will go for a unilateral ceasefire tonight.

Livni and Barak are standing for elections, taking place next month.
As 94% of Israelis are for the war, they know full well that stopping now, with Hamas still alive, will end their politicl careers. Thats something no politician will look at with equanimity ...

542 Taqiyyotomist  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 8:05:27am

I wonder if these balls are actually sign-up rallies for the Obama Youth Domestic Military... Are convention halls taking delivery of large boxes of brown shirts and boots of the Jack variety?

543 ciaospirit  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 8:05:48am

re: #490 Walter L. Newton

Hell, it's loaded with self-serving, ego obsessed human beings who need the tribal support of the process of "putting on a show" or else they can't function.

I worked in TV and film for many years and what you say is true there as well. Plus many are idealogues who use their celebrity to trash this country and recruit more LLLs.

544 yma o hyd  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 8:06:26am

re: #536 sattv4u2

Make sure there's a witness in the hospital room with you. Spurned, she may develope a new 'sympton" that she'll be looking to cah in on! YOU don;'t want to be the cause of that "illness". A witness will protect you!

Thats very good advice, Walter.

545 eon  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 8:07:27am

re: #530 JCM

I've been having trouble finding .308.

7.62 x 39mm ComBloc and 5.56 NATO are in short supply around here, except for the Wolf steel-cased OD green stuff from Russia.

So far, no runs on 9mm NATO, though.

cheers

eon

546 opnion  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 8:07:30am

re: #518 realwest

LOL! Good morning my friend! The only problem is that the pension plans for big time drug dealers is based upon awfully short actuarial tables!

Some years back Chicago lost one of it's most esteemed drug dealers., Flukie Stokes. There was apparently some misunderstanding during ther exchange of cash for goods portion of the deal.
Flukie had Panache. He wanted to be buried in his Cadilac & he was.

547 opnion  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 8:08:30am

re: #537 Taqiyyotomist

I wish we could get a Lizard to attend one of these, with a videocamera.


Does Zombie travel?

548 wrenchwench  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 8:08:35am

re: #526 Desert Dog

Israel plans ceasefire

AND, how have thier objectives been achieved?

From your link:

"There is no agreement with Hamas," the Israeli official said, adding that Israel would reserve the right to act if Hamas continued firing or launched rockets across the border.

That doesn't sound like a cease fire to me...

549 DeafDog  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 8:08:41am

re: #540 albusteve

I so wish this story would get some legs...it would please me to see the Clintons have to answer to the law even after all these years...people have forgotten what slimy thieving felons those two assholes are...


[Link: www.wnd.com...]

As much as I wish it would, too, I doubt it would happen.

But imagine if that litany were raised against Sara Palin.

550 Occasional Reader  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 8:08:47am

re: #532 slartybartfast

As Mel Brooks once said, "It's the merchandising!"

I just heard yet another "news" report on NPR (yes, torturing myself) about the one, single "water taxi" company that's permitted by the Coast Guard to transport adoring throngs across the (500 yard wide) Potomac for the Inauguration... for $50 one way, $90 round-trip.

I'd like to know how they got that contract.

551 vxbush  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 8:08:47am

re: #473 yma o hyd

That 'NICE' here in the UK is in constant trouble.
As the NHS is state run, NICE determines if certain drugs are economically efficient, and can thus be allowed to be made available on the NHS.
Well - Aricept, the alzheimer drug, was forbidden by them, because the daily does was not deemed to increase the wuality of life for patients - i.e. it was too expensive.
Never mind that it allowed those with mild alzheimers to ahve a prolonged reasonable quality of life, never mind that doctors were happy to prescribe it because it kept patients out of care homes for longer - NICE said no.

Great outcry - they are 'revising' it. Hah!

All modern anti-cancer drugs are also deemed to be too expensive, even where all others have failed, and the patients are given another six months to live.

You might try to buy it privately - but then they said the NHS must bill you for administering the drug, for all checks, nurses' time, even the needles and cotton wool!

Yeah - NICE is nice, go for it!
NOT!

And this is what Daschle thinks we need to bring to the US! May G-d preserve us, for nothing else will.

552 Desert Dog  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 8:09:16am

re: #538 Occasional Reader

Even when the Jews announce a unilateral ceasefire, they're still being evil. It's a "unilateral" ceasefire! Just like they were criticized for their "unilateral" withdrawal from Gaza in the first place. We truly do live in Bizarro World.

well, peace and harmony will return to Gaza once the kind and benevolent Hamas emerges from the holes, hospitals, schools, mosques and skirts they've been hiding in and behind of...And, now that the agents of Hell are slithering back to Israel, the butterflies will fly, rainbows will appear and general warm and fuzzy funk will return to the beautiful homeland of the brave and noble Palestinian people.

/reuters mode off

553 Lincolntf  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 8:10:00am

re: #507 opnion

Not to mention that I heard (just once, and I don't remember the source, so grain of salt) that more people have been killed in Obama's South Side of Chicago than in the Iraq war since the beginning of 2008. Regardless of the veracity of that factoid, you'd think that a real media entity would actually take a look at the lives of people who first elected Obama (no doubt on the same "hope and change" fluff campaign) and realize that everything he (no doubt) promised to fix has gotten worse.

554 ciaospirit  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 8:10:14am

re: #510 notutopia

Sickening...Unbelievable debt and he's spending money on a hardy party. It is a sign of the times of economic free spending for feel
good agendas... Oh look at the pretty 10,000.00 dresses...the million dollars of fireworks...the press rolling in champagne...the millions of people who are taking the day off (with lost wages) from work or school to watch this on HBO. No one claiming this is utterly ridiculous!
Sign of the next 4 years to come.

We taxpayers are paying for the parties we aren't and never would be invited to. But we're supposed to be thrilled about paying the bill. Because it's historic.

Historic spending.

555 realwest  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 8:11:00am

re: #536 sattv4u2
EXCELLENT SUGGESTION!

WALTER - please take #536 into account when you speak to her on Monday.

556 JCM  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 8:11:02am

re: #545 eon

7.62 x 39mm ComBloc and 5.56 NATO are in short supply around here, except for the Wolf steel-cased OD green stuff from Russia.

So far, no runs on 9mm NATO, though.

cheers

eon

I've not heard good things about Wolf, staying away from it. Got lots of .40.

557 albusteve  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 8:12:19am

re: #530 JCM

I've been having trouble finding .308.

I'm pretty naive but dont the manufactures run that stuff off the line 24/7?...where does it all go?...do people hoard tens of thousands of rounds?

558 Occasional Reader  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 8:12:28am

re: #552 Desert Dog

well, peace and harmony will return to Gaza once the kind and benevolent Hamas emerges from the holes, hospitals, schools, mosques and skirts they've been hiding in and behind of...And, now that the agents of Hell are slithering back to Israel, the butterflies will fly, rainbows will appear and general warm and fuzzy funk will return to the beautiful homeland of the brave and noble Palestinian people.

/reuters mode off

Yes, but again, the Jews are still evil because it was a "unilateral" ceasefire, doncha see. They were supposed to do a ceasefire under Hamas' terms. In other words, to surrender.

559 Kenneth  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 8:13:39am

re: #548 wrenchwench

That doesn't sound like a cease fire to me...

It's a ceasefire on Israel's terms. They don't want to elevate Hamas by negotiating with them. The message is clear: we're done killing you thugs for now, but if you piss us off, we will come back and kill you some more.

560 opnion  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 8:13:39am

re: #553 Lincolntf

Not to mention that I heard (just once, and I don't remember the source, so grain of salt) that more people have been killed in Obama's South Side of Chicago than in the Iraq war since the beginning of 2008. Regardless of the veracity of that factoid, you'd think that a real media entity would actually take a look at the lives of people who first elected Obama (no doubt on the same "hope and change" fluff campaign) and realize that everything he (no doubt) promised to fix has gotten worse.


You have it right, according to the Chicgo Tribune there were more gun deaths last Summer in Chicago , than combat deaths in Iraq during the same period.
The irony is that guns are illegal in Chicago

561 yma o hyd  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 8:14:20am

re: #551 vxbush

I sincerely hope that your systme of checks-and-balances will prevent this.
I sincerely hope that the presidents of the various professional health bodies will prevent this.
I think the various pharmaceutical companies might hopefuly be able to put a major spoke in his wheels!

Its the worst possible plan, regarding human life simply as something to be entered into an accounts sheet. so many points - ok, more, no deal.
and the =points= are not only arbitrary, they are concocted to such a formula tha mobdy outside NICE undertands how its supposed to work.

Pfizer, iirc, is at the moment having a law suit against NICE here in the UK - but Justitia is very slow ...

562 Desert Dog  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 8:14:22am

re: #554 ciaospirit

We taxpayers are paying for the parties we aren't and never would be invited to. But we're supposed to be thrilled about paying the bill. Because it's historic.

Historic spending.

I remember the uproar from the left about Bush's first inauguration. I distinctly remember them going on and on about the cost of the security and the parties. I do not hear that now, do you? All of this going on this week is waaay more than Bush ever spent. Way more than ANYONE has ever spent. I'll hold my breath as I wait for the MSM to pick up on that...

563 Steve  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 8:14:29am

I am thinking about changing my phonemessage:

Hi, this is Steve. I am not at home right know so please leave your psychotic rant at the beep and I will get back to you later.

564 albusteve  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 8:14:42am

re: #550 Occasional Reader

I just heard yet another "news" report on NPR (yes, torturing myself) about the one, single "water taxi" company that's permitted by the Coast Guard to transport adoring throngs across the (500 yard wide) Potomac for the Inauguration... for $50 one way, $90 round-trip.

I'd like to know how they got that contract.

the feds are just like the Mob...they do whatever they want

565 eon  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 8:14:58am

re: #546 opnion

Some years back Chicago lost one of it's most esteemed drug dealers., Flukie Stokes. There was apparently some misunderstanding during ther exchange of cash for goods portion of the deal.
Flukie had Panache. He wanted to be buried in his Cadilac & he was.

He still doesn't match Shepard Wong.


When I die, don't embalm me- I want to be stuffed with crabmeat.

- What's Up, Tiger Lily?(1966)

And with that,


I'm outta here.

-Art Carney, Last Action Hero (1993)

Have a great day, and stay warm (or at least poikilothermal), Lizards.

Catch you later.

cheers

eon

566 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 8:15:07am

re: #544 yma o hyd

Thats very good advice, Walter.

I've considered the ramifications of what happens when I break it off with her. Interesting, she has in the past 3 years, claimed that her house was broken into, and things were stolen. Interestingly, it's always something stolen that has to do with records, always just before the IRS or someone needed info from her.

After finding out the things I have found out over the last week, and considering that I have had access to her house, I wonder if something else will go "missing."

567 Lincolntf  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 8:15:59am

re: #533 kcladderman

Did you see where I wrote "unworkable"? It's unworkable for the reasons you listed.
But, I'm a private citizen and I certainly can't get a pass to sit in on briefings, ride AF One or travel with legislators to foreign countries. Who can? People with credentials from "the Press". Why do we extend these special rights to the Press? Because it's long been established that the people have a right to know. When the folks with the credentials refuse to actually tell people what is going on (or couch it so heavily in lies and distortions that the truth is unrecognizable) I have no problem with stripping them of their privileges (not their Rights, their privileges).

568 albusteve  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 8:15:59am

re: #566 Walter L. Newton

I've considered the ramifications of what happens when I break it off with her. Interesting, she has in the past 3 years, claimed that her house was broken into, and things were stolen. Interestingly, it's always something stolen that has to do with records, always just before the IRS or someone needed info from her.

After finding out the things I have found out over the last week, and considering that I have had access to her house, I wonder if something else will go "missing."

yeah...you

569 Occasional Reader  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 8:16:22am

re: #545 eon

7.62 x 39mm ComBloc and 5.56 NATO are in short supply around here, except for the Wolf steel-cased OD green stuff from Russia.

So far, no runs on 9mm NATO, though.

cheers

eon

I've gone through a fair amount of .45ACP in recent weeks, and have had no trouble finding it.

570 Guanxi88  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 8:16:54am

re: #563 Steve

I am thinking about changing my phonemessage:

Hi, this is Steve. I am not at home right know so please leave your psychotic rant at the beep and I will get back to you later.

Hey, are you the guy who's been calling and not leaving messages?

571 yma o hyd  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 8:17:33am

re: #559 Kenneth

It's a ceasefire on Israel's terms. They don't want to elevate Hamas by negotiating with them. The message is clear: we're done killing you thugs for now, but if you piss us off, we will come back and kill you some more.

I think they're not quite done yet - some more actions to be undertaken before that cease fire is a done deal.
Which will hopefully mean, more hamasthugs gone to look at 72 virgins ...

572 Guanxi88  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 8:17:40am

So, what's all this ceasfire talk I hear? Jpost doesn't seem to have got the news yet, if it's true.

573 BenZacharia  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 8:17:46am

re: #446 realwest
psst* food logistics

;-)

574 ciaospirit  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 8:17:47am

Most expensive inauguration ever. In the supposedly second worst economy ever. The MSM says nothing. Yet they relentlessly attacked Sarah Palin (actually her team but she was blamed) for spending $150,000 on clothes.

575 realwest  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 8:18:16am

re: #559 Kenneth
Good morning Kenneth! I wish Israel had been as direct with that as you were: "we're done killing you thugs for now, but if you piss us off, we will come back and kill you some more."

576 Kenneth  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 8:18:19am

Osama’s son coordinates call between Zawahiri and Iran’s Qods Force

Sa’ad bin Laden facilitated communications between Ayman al Zawahiri and Qods Force, the notorious special operations branch of the Iranian Revolutionary Guards Corps, in September 2008 after the deadly attack on the US embassy in Yemen.

Sa’ad entered Pakistan’s northwest to meet with Zawahiri in Pakistan sometime in early September, McConnell claimed. Sa’ad’s whereabout is currently unknown but he is still thought to be with al Qaeda’s senior leadership inside Pakistan. Sa’ad, his brother Hamza, and other senior al Qaeda leaders are known to routinely travel back and forth between Iran and Pakistan.

Zawahiri spoke directly to Qods Force commander Brigadier General Qassem Suleimani, a senior US intelligence official told The Long War Journal. “Zawahiri was concerned that the al Qaeda-manned militia fighting on the side of the government against the Iranian-backed Houthi rebels might threaten Iran’s interests in Yemen,” the official said. Yemen swells the ranks of the militia by inviting Arabs to willing to fight in the north.

So Yemen, which is nominally an ally of the US in the GWOT, is using al Qaeda militia to fight Iranian backed rebels in northern Yemen. WTF?

577 JCM  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 8:18:30am

re: #557 albusteve

I'm pretty naive but dont the manufactures run that stuff off the line 24/7?...where does it all go?...do people hoard tens of thousands of rounds?

Eric Halder BHO AG pick is a big anti gun guy. Early rumors are BHO is going to give him wide executive powers to limit access to weapons and ammo. All indications are ammo and firearms will become much more restricted under BHO.

Yes everyone is stocking up before ammo gets taxed at 100%, or other onerous regulations are put in place. Folks are stockpiling ammo like crazy. With proper storage it will keep indefinitely.

I bought my rifle last summer for that reason. Chances are in few months it will be not be available for purchase.

578 Taqiyyotomist  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 8:19:04am

I just wonder, are they gonna allow fried foods at the inauguration. Or incandescent bulbs.

579 albusteve  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 8:19:15am

re: #576 Kenneth

Osama’s son coordinates call between Zawahiri and Iran’s Qods Force

So Yemen, which is nominally an ally of the US in the GWOT, is using al Qaeda militia to fight Iranian backed rebels in northern Yemen. WTF?

Arabs...aint they a barrel of laughs?

580 kcladderman  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 8:19:33am

re: #554 ciaospirit

We taxpayers are paying for the parties we aren't and never would be invited to. But we're supposed to be thrilled about paying the bill. Because it's historic.

Historic spending.

Clinton had 14 balls his second inauguration. Bush had 8 and 9 so lets keep everything in perspective here. 10 balls is not something new to the Obama inauguration. He is a communist not qualified for the job and an all around shady character though to be sure.

581 Guanxi88  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 8:19:51am

re: #574 ciaospirit

Most expensive inauguration ever. In the supposedly second worst economy ever. The MSM says nothing. Yet they relentlessly attacked Sarah Palin (actually her team but she was blamed) for spending $150,000 on clothes.

Eh, attacking Palin was a given; any reason, or no reason.

As for Inauguration - it's an affair of state, and important occasion no matter who gets sworn in. World leaders are gonna be there, and we need to show 'em that even in a recession, we Yanks do it right.

It's like when that guy from work comes over with his bitchy wife. Yeah, ya don't want her there, but she's coming regardless, and for his sake, you go ahead and wash a few glasses and sweep up the cat hair.

582 yma o hyd  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 8:20:21am

re: #566 Walter L. Newton

I've considered the ramifications of what happens when I break it off with her. Interesting, she has in the past 3 years, claimed that her house was broken into, and things were stolen. Interestingly, it's always something stolen that has to do with records, always just before the IRS or someone needed info from her.

After finding out the things I have found out over the last week, and considering that I have had access to her house, I wonder if something else will go "missing."

I think you can bank on that, unfortunately.
Perhaps you might, with a witness, take a photographic record and inventory of whats there. Tedious, but I think you need to get into self-protective mode here.

583 Occasional Reader  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 8:20:33am

re: #574 ciaospirit

Most expensive inauguration ever..

Also, most massively over-the-top security procedures ever. Way, way above those of 2005. And yet I thought the whole world was supposed to be in love with The One?

I have a sort of preemptive Schadenfreude that the sheer logistical nightmare created by the security procedures will start cooling peoples' ardor for The New Obama Age right from the git go, as they're waiting in freezing cold for hours to get on a $90 water taxi.

584 Guanxi88  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 8:20:33am

re: #580 kcladderman

Clinton had 14 balls his second inauguration. Bush had 8 and 9 so lets keep everything in perspective here. 10 balls is not something new to the Obama inauguration. He is a communist not qualified for the job and an all around shady character though to be sure.

Pretty ballsy, that clinton, eh?

585 Steve  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 8:20:52am

re: #570 Guanxi88

Hey, are you the guy who's been calling and not leaving messages?

No, I always leave a message. i.e "Hi, this is Steve. Tag, your are it."

586 Guanxi88  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 8:21:19am

re: #585 Steve

No, I always leave a message. i.e "Hi, this is Steve. Tag, your are it."

Oh, that's you? Knock it off already. It was tiresome back in '89.

587 realwest  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 8:21:37am

re: #573 BenZacharia
Ah Hah! Gotcha! Way to go Ben!

588 ciaospirit  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 8:22:02am

re: #562 Desert Dog

I remember the uproar from the left about Bush's first inauguration. I distinctly remember them going on and on about the cost of the security and the parties. I do not hear that now, do you? All of this going on this week is waaay more than Bush ever spent. Way more than ANYONE has ever spent. I'll hold my breath as I wait for the MSM to pick up on that...

It's estimated at 150 million. You can bet it will come in over that.

589 Kenneth  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 8:22:17am

re: #571 yma o hyd

Yes, more please. This back and forth on the ceasefire talks is a bit of a rope-a-dope routine. Egypt is happy to see Hamas destroyed, especially if they dont have to do it. The real deadline is January 21st, the day after the innaugeration.

590 sattv4u2  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 8:22:37am

re: #579 albusteve

Arabs...aint they a barrel of laughs?

Point of Accuracy

Iraians are not "Arab", and many Al Q. is also culled from the non-Arab world. (Pakistan, Afgahnistan, Indonesia, etc)

Sorry, but it's a quirk of mine

591 vxbush  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 8:23:17am

re: #561 yma o hyd

I sincerely hope that your systme of checks-and-balances will prevent this.
I sincerely hope that the presidents of the various professional health bodies will prevent this.
I think the various pharmaceutical companies might hopefuly be able to put a major spoke in his wheels!

Its the worst possible plan, regarding human life simply as something to be entered into an accounts sheet. so many points - ok, more, no deal.
and the =points= are not only arbitrary, they are concocted to such a formula tha mobdy outside NICE undertands how its supposed to work.

Pfizer, iirc, is at the moment having a law suit against NICE here in the UK - but Justitia is very slow ...

No, I fear the various health bodies will listen to the "parahealth" communities and think tanks that say "quality of life" is defined as the quality of the entire population as compared to the cost to support it. With all the financial woes in this country, this will be the next area of "disparity" that will be attacked next by the socialists here. And Daschle *totally* supports it.

I do not see much good in the next four years. And this is making me depressed today.

592 albusteve  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 8:23:40am

re: #590 sattv4u2

Point of Accuracy

Iraians are not "Arab", and many Al Q. is also culled from the non-Arab world. (Pakistan, Afgahnistan, Indonesia, etc)

Sorry, but it's a quirk of mine

I know that...the Yemenis are Arab

593 Occasional Reader  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 8:24:09am

re: #559 Kenneth

It's a ceasefire on Israel's terms. They don't want to elevate Hamas by negotiating with them. The message is clear: we're done killing you thugs for now, but if you piss us off, we will come back and kill you some more.

"... and don't cut up no whores fire no rockets, neither! Or I'll come back here and kill all you sons-of-bitches."

-Clint Eastwood, penultimate scene, Unforgiven

594 yma o hyd  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 8:24:26am

re: #576 Kenneth

Might be tribal, pure and simple ... not that anything is simple, never mind pure, wherever Iran and/or Al Qaeda stick their fingers in ...

595 Steve  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 8:24:29am

re: #586 Guanxi88

Oh, that's you? Knock it off already. It was tiresome back in '89.

I know. Actually I started it in 1988:-)

596 realwest  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 8:24:29am

re: #582 yma o hyd
Better yet, video tape everything. Easier and faster.
Then make a copy and put it somewhere safe.

597 Desert Dog  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 8:25:03am

re: #590 sattv4u2

Point of Accuracy

Iraians are not "Arab", and many Al Q. is also culled from the non-Arab world. (Pakistan, Afgahnistan, Indonesia, etc)

Sorry, but it's a quirk of mine

yes, we should just refer to them as Jihadi MF-ers, as not to unduly assign their ethnic background

598 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 8:26:21am

re: #582 yma o hyd

I think you can bank on that, unfortunately.
Perhaps you might, with a witness, take a photographic record and inventory of whats there. Tedious, but I think you need to get into self-protective mode here.

Ha. She is a very messy person. Her house looks like a tornado hit it. That wouldn't work. Beside, first off, considering that I now know so much about her gaming the system, if she was smart, she will just let this go. Second, I haven't done anything so I'm not worried about anything. That's just my nature, if I'm innocent, I have no concern.

599 Kenneth  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 8:26:34am

re: #579 albusteve

Its sweet when the Arabs & the Iranians can put aside their differences to co-ordinate an attack on a US embassy. Building bridges of understanding and all that...

600 Guanxi88  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 8:26:57am

re: #595 Steve

I know. Actually I started it in 1988:-)

Always intrigued me, the way certain tiresome attempts at humor, you know, the ones that irritate EVERYBODY, are, nonetheless, carried on by most folk long after the joke was old.

Example: Guy in the office, usually a shabby dresser, comes in with a jacket and tie.

"Hey, Bill! What's with the clothes? Sentencing?"

Now, that joke is an absolute antique; everybody in the room knows it's coming, and nobody really thinks it's funny, but there's this compulsion to keep doing it, as if a really crappy attempt at humor is expected by the group and somebody is obligated to step up and do it.

601 Guanxi88  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 8:27:47am

re: #598 Walter L. Newton

Ha. She is a very messy person. Her house looks like a tornado hit it.

I've noticed that disorder in the mind often spills over into the person's physical environment.

602 HoosierHoops  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 8:27:50am

{Yma}
Hope today finds you well...Any good footie games on today?

603 albusteve  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 8:28:20am

re: #599 Kenneth

Its sweet when the Arabs & the Iranians can put aside their differences to co-ordinate an attack on a US embassy. Building bridges of understanding and all that...

how come the Lords of the West cannot understand this?...we have so much to...relearn

604 yma o hyd  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 8:28:51am

re: #583 Occasional Reader

Heh.
You might be onto something there!

I recall the 1999/2000 New year's Eve celebrations in that monstrosity called 'The Millenium Dome' in London.
Loads of high-powered guests, glitterati, politicians, you name it.
Had to wait becasue of 'security', transport not able to cope, everybody really pissed off, Queen not amused - everything tawdry, and then the 'fabulous' fireworks turned out to be a damp squib as well ...

Yeah - you never know ... might happen on Tuesday ...

605 Desert Dog  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 8:29:14am

re: #601 Guanxi88

I've noticed that disorder in the mind often spills over into the person's physical environment.

I always thought that a clean desk was the mark of a sick mind? At least, that is the rationalization I have used for the past 25 years of messy desks I've had.

606 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 8:29:30am

"The Brighton, Mich., City Council has approved an ordinance making it illegal to be annoying. "It shall be unlawful for any person in the city to insult, accost, molest or otherwise annoy, either by word of mouth, sign or motions any person in any public place," the new law reads in part, stressing in another section that citizens may not engage in conduct to "alarm or seriously annoy another person" or they will face a police citation and fine. Council member Jim Bohn said he's "not sure what 'alarm' or 'seriously annoy' means," but voted for the ordinance anyway. (Livingston Daily Press & Argus) "

(no link, but this just came to me in a email newsletter)

607 kcladderman  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 8:30:06am

re: #567 Lincolntf

Did you see where I wrote "unworkable"? It's unworkable for the reasons you listed.
But, I'm a private citizen and I certainly can't get a pass to sit in on briefings, ride AF One or travel with legislators to foreign countries. Who can? People with credentials from "the Press". Why do we extend these special rights to the Press? Because it's long been established that the people have a right to know. When the folks with the credentials refuse to actually tell people what is going on (or couch it so heavily in lies and distortions that the truth is unrecognizable) I have no problem with stripping them of their privileges (not their Rights, their privileges).

Well I believe it was you that called press passes Rights. there are several print and tv reporters present at every event. You have the right to listen to or read any of them you choose too. Same with every other citizen in the country. There are a lot of people that think Fox news is biased so they might think that Fox should be shut down.

608 Guanxi88  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 8:30:34am

re: #605 Desert Dog

I always thought that a clean desk was the mark of a sick mind? At least, that is the rationalization I have used for the past 25 years of messy desks I've had.

That's different. A well-functioning steel mill or other site of industrial production looks like Hell, but it works. I'm talking about the person's nest, their lair. If that looks like the Lambda Chi Alpha house after Hell Week, then you've probably got a nutter on your hands.

609 realwest  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 8:30:42am

re: #605 Desert Dog
Hey now - y'all gotta define "messy" - just cause something looks messy doesn't mean I someone doesn't know where everything is!

610 ciaospirit  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 8:30:43am

re: #580 kcladderman

Clinton had 14 balls his second inauguration. Bush had 8 and 9 so lets keep everything in perspective here. 10 balls is not something new to the Obama inauguration. He is a communist not qualified for the job and an all around shady character though to be sure.

33 million and 40 million respectively. Over 150 million for Obama. C'mon. And as I recall, Bush didn't tell me my carbon footprint is too big and he is going to force me to cut back while he does the opposite.

AP Slammed Bush’s ‘Extravagant’ Inaugural in ’05, But Now It’s Spend, Baby, Spend

611 Occasional Reader  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 8:31:08am

re: #606 Walter L. Newton

Taranto had something on this several days ago, I believe. (Unless it was another city that approved a nearly identical ordinance.) Flatly unconstitutional. Why do legislators waste taxpayer money like this?

612 Lincolntf  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 8:31:28am

re: #583 Occasional Reader

I don't want the Inauguration to be a disaster (it would embarrass us all), so don't take this as a "wish", just as a possibility... Of the millions of people who will attend, I bet that a good 50% of them think that they're actually going to meet Obama and celebrate with him. When they get to D.C. and realize that attending the Inauguration actually means standing in the freezing cold, buying 5 dollar bottles of Evian, surrounded by screaming hordes and barely glimpsing the tail-end of a parade, they're gonna be pissed. I can almost see the pictures of the buses full of schoolkids who drove all night to see the event crying on live TV about how miserable the conditions are, how they only saw Obama on the Jumbotron, etc.
Related note: Steve Smith of the Carolina Panthers donated $25,000 for a Charlotte HS band (maybe a team?) to travel to the inauguration. I thought that was a decent gesture, despite the fact that it is pro-O.

613 sattv4u2  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 8:32:16am

re: #605 Desert Dog

I always thought that a clean desk was the mark of a sick mind? At least, that is the rationalization I have used for the past 25 years of messy desks I've had.

Years ago, when I was a (multiple) small business owner, a guy that worked for me came into my office. He picked up something and stated "WOW, 5 years working for you and I never knew there was a desk under here!"

614 Desert Dog  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 8:32:22am

re: #599 Kenneth

Its sweet when the Arabs & the Iranians can put aside their differences to co-ordinate an attack on a US embassy. Building bridges of understanding and all that...

The thread connecting all the Muslim terrorists in the world today is not really AQ, it's Iran. They have their fingers in everything nasty going on. Hezbollah, Hamas, the Shia Militias in Iraq, some of the bad guys in Afghanistan. Iran is spending a considerable amount of money and effort, funding, training and supplying bad guys around the middle east. I want to see the day we finally make those SOB's pay for that...

615 Kenneth  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 8:32:37am

re: #594 yma o hyd

The fighting in Yemen between the northern & southern tribes has been going on for decades. The British & USSR used to back opposing sides, now its AQ & Iran. A pox on both their houses.

616 yma o hyd  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 8:32:40am

re: #589 Kenneth

Yes, more please. This back and forth on the ceasefire talks is a bit of a rope-a-dope routine. Egypt is happy to see Hamas destroyed, especially if they dont have to do it. The real deadline is January 21st, the day after the innaugeration.

I think all these talks Livni had, and the cabinet meeting right now, might well be designed to show how the other side - and that includes Egypt - are not willing to commit to anything Israel proposes.
Israel has shown its willingness to 'play nice', by having 'humanitarian lulls' - which Hamas uses to fire more rockets. It has shown its willingness to talk - with the otehr side making preposterous claims.

Eventually, some people will notice. meanwhile, the IDF will go on doing its work!

617 realwest  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 8:32:42am

re: #606 Walter L. Newton
I really think that the Brighton, Mich., City Council has waaay too much time on their hands and waaay too much vacant space between their ears. Absolutely totally unconsitutional.
Not to mention STUPID!

618 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 8:32:44am

re: #605 Desert Dog

I always thought that a clean desk was the mark of a sick mind? At least, that is the rationalization I have used for the past 25 years of messy desks I've had.

Then I'm sick. I live in a one bedroom apartment, 500 sq.foot (yes, small, I just make believe all the time that I am living in a flat in Paris), and I keep it very neat. I have a lot of nick-knacks, but all neatly kept.

I have a real good friend who likes to "test" my neatness. We will be watching a movie, I will go the the bathroom, he will "move" an item a few inches or what ever.

I have come back, noticed that he had done this, and start to move around the living room and put everything back in it's place.

Freaks him out that I can do that.

619 Desert Dog  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 8:33:51am

re: #606 Walter L. Newton

"The Brighton, Mich., City Council has approved an ordinance making it illegal to be annoying. "It shall be unlawful for any person in the city to insult, accost, molest or otherwise annoy, either by word of mouth, sign or motions any person in any public place," the new law reads in part, stressing in another section that citizens may not engage in conduct to "alarm or seriously annoy another person" or they will face a police citation and fine. Council member Jim Bohn said he's "not sure what 'alarm' or 'seriously annoy' means," but voted for the ordinance anyway. (Livingston Daily Press & Argus) "

(no link, but this just came to me in a email newsletter)

Here ya go:
Michigan city bans bothersome behavior

620 Guanxi88  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 8:34:09am

re: #618 Walter L. Newton

Then I'm sick.

One makes certain allowances for the artist that mere mortals are not afforded.

621 VegasRick  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 8:34:31am

re: #612 Lincolntf


Related note: Steve Smith of the Carolina Panthers donated $25,000 for a Charlotte HS band (maybe a team?) to travel to the inauguration.

I was wondering where he was last Sunday cause he certainly was not at the game.

622 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 8:34:45am

re: #608 Guanxi88

That's different. A well-functioning steel mill or other site of industrial production looks like Hell, but it works. I'm talking about the person's nest, their lair. If that looks like the Lambda Chi Alpha house after Hell Week, then you've probably got a nutter on your hands.

Her house is a 1/2 million dollar place, 4 bedrooms, 4 baths, finsihed basement, about 3500 sq. feet. and it does look like a college dorm.

She's going to loose the house since she is behind in her mortgage payments.

623 sattv4u2  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 8:34:50am

re: #618 Walter L. Newton

I just make believe all the time that I am living in a flat in Paris

You're rude to Americans?

624 yma o hyd  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 8:35:10am

re: #591 vxbush

No, I fear the various health bodies will listen to the "parahealth" communities and think tanks that say "quality of life" is defined as the quality of the entire population as compared to the cost to support it. With all the financial woes in this country, this will be the next area of "disparity" that will be attacked next by the socialists here. And Daschle *totally* supports it.

I do not see much good in the next four years. And this is making me depressed today.

Here's something which might help to cheer you up a bit: they won't be able to get it going very quickly - it might take a few years, during which much can happen ... Tony Blair didn't get this done during his first term in office either!

625 JCM  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 8:35:39am

re: #623 sattv4u2


I just make believe all the time that I am living in a flat in Paris

You're rude to Americans?

And smells?

626 ciaospirit  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 8:36:09am

re: #583 Occasional Reader

Also, most massively over-the-top security procedures ever. Way, way above those of 2005. And yet I thought the whole world was supposed to be in love with The One?

I have a sort of preemptive Schadenfreude that the sheer logistical nightmare created by the security procedures will start cooling peoples' ardor for The New Obama Age right from the git go, as they're waiting in freezing cold for hours to get on a $90 water taxi.

What gets me is that a majority of the people won't even be able to see the inauguration. They are setting up at least 20 jumbotrons throughout the mall so that people can watch it on TV. Save the taxpayer dollars and stay home and watch it on TV with friends.

627 Lincolntf  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 8:36:20am

re: #621 VegasRick

Yeah, no kidding. What a horrible end to their season. Delhomme sucked, but only throwing to Smith a couple times was bone-headed play calling by the coaching staff.

628 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 8:36:21am

re: #623 sattv4u2


I just make believe all the time that I am living in a flat in Paris

You're rude to Americans?

That is such a myth.

629 Occasional Reader  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 8:36:28am

re: #615 Kenneth

The fighting in Yemen between the northern & southern tribes has been going on for decades.

And whoever wins, gets Yemen as a prize. How's that for incentive?

630 DeafDog  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 8:36:43am

re: #600 Guanxi88


The shabby dresser with a coat and tie was me. I was going to a job interview.

631 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 8:36:49am

re: #625 JCM

And smells?

LOL (wait, should I be?)

632 albusteve  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 8:37:11am

re: #617 realwest

I really think that the Brighton, Mich., City Council has waaay too much time on their hands and waaay too much vacant space between their ears. Absolutely totally unconsitutional.
Not to mention STUPID!

ironically Brighton is over on the east side of the welfare state, not far from Ann Arbor...which is not far from Dearbornistan which is a suburb of Detroit where the commie criminal unions have wrecked the car business...too many dots

633 sattv4u2  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 8:37:20am

re: #628 Walter L. Newton

That is such a myth.

Actually, I know that. But it was a quick and easy joke!

634 Guanxi88  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 8:37:28am

re: #622 Walter L. Newton

Her house is a 1/2 million dollar place, 4 bedrooms, 4 baths, finsihed basement, about 3500 sq. feet. and it does look like a college dorm.

She's going to loose the house since she is behind in her mortgage payments.

See, that's a sign that something's probably not as it should be with her neurons.

Dated a girl once - lovely young lady, very sharp, good family, all the trimmings. Noticed that she never had me over for coffee; struck me as odd after a while.

Finally had a pretext to visit her once; place looked like a cross between a recycling center and a yard sale. Told me all I needed to know.

She could "keep it together" for the public, could put on a good show, but she was stone-to-the-bone nuts. Her apartment proved it.

635 Guanxi88  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 8:38:02am

re: #630 DeafDog

The shabby dresser with a coat and tie was me. I was going to a job interview.

Good luck, then!

636 VegasRick  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 8:38:35am

re: #627 Lincolntf

Yeah, no kidding. What a horrible end to their season. Delhomme sucked, but only throwing to Smith a couple times was bone-headed play calling by the coaching staff.

I started Smith and Delhomme on my fantasy team, some "hookup"!

637 JCM  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 8:39:08am

re: #628 Walter L. Newton

That is such a myth.

Having lived over seas, a lot of "rudeness" is brought on to ourselves. I've seen a lot of "ugly Americans" overseas.

638 Occasional Reader  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 8:39:08am

re: #626 ciaospirit

What gets me is that a majority of the people won't even be able to see the inauguration. They are setting up at least 20 jumbotrons throughout the mall so that people can watch it on TV. Save the taxpayer dollars and stay home and watch it on TV with friends.

I know astonishingly few people from here in the DC area who are actually planning to "go", in any sense, to the Inauguration. Even among liberals, even among politically-connected liberals.

639 Guanxi88  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 8:39:24am

re: #630 DeafDog

The shabby dresser with a coat and tie was me. I was going to a job interview.

re: #635 Guanxi88

Good luck, then!

Oh, and put in a good word for me, will ya?

640 DeafDog  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 8:39:34am

re: #610 ciaospirit

33 million and 40 million respectively. Over 150 million for Obama. C'mon. And as I recall, Bush didn't tell me my carbon footprint is too big and he is going to force me to cut back while he does the opposite.

AP Slammed Bush’s ‘Extravagant’ Inaugural in ’05, But Now It’s Spend, Baby, Spend


On the positive side, Political spending seems to be last growth industry out there.

The cynic in me is thinking the money comes from folks looking for a bailout, but certainly that can't be the case.

641 yma o hyd  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 8:39:49am

re: #602 HoosierHoops

{Yma}
Hope today finds you well...Any good footie games on today?

Dunno about footie - but our big game is on tomorrow, our club, Cardiff Blues, meets Gloucester, the top English club. Its the European club rugby championship, we're top of our pool and have one home game in hand.
Gotta win tomorrow - or at least get a losing bonus point.

Now thats gonna be exiting!

642 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 8:40:29am

re: #634 Guanxi88

She could "keep it together" for the public, could put on a good show, but she was stone-to-the-bone nuts. Her apartment proved it.

Whoa, do you know my girlfriend? She put me off for 2 months before I got to see her house, and then, it was still a mess. That should have been my first clue that she had problems.

I love that phrase "stone-to-the-bone nuts." Country of origin on that?

643 Killgore Trout  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 8:40:42am

It's time for the morning call to prayer...

644 yma o hyd  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 8:40:51am

re: #609 realwest

Hey now - y'all gotta define "messy" - just cause something looks messy doesn't mean I someone doesn't know where everything is!

{rw} - ye're a man after my own heart!

645 albusteve  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 8:41:08am

re: #626 ciaospirit

What gets me is that a majority of the people won't even be able to see the inauguration. They are setting up at least 20 jumbotrons throughout the mall so that people can watch it on TV. Save the taxpayer dollars and stay home and watch it on TV with friends.

mass hysteria...it's sort of comical in a dark way...imo

646 kcladderman  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 8:41:10am

re: #610 ciaospirit

Oh I am not saying it is not over the top. I don't believe any inauguration should cost 10s of millions of dollars. I also believe we have established long ago long ago that the MSM is in the bag for Obama. So we are not going to hear them slamming anything he does for at least awhile if ever. I just don't want this to turn into a ODS blog we have a long four years ahead of us. I believe unfortunately we are going to have several real issues with the great one.

647 sattv4u2  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 8:41:25am

re: #637 JCM

Having lived over seas, a lot of "rudeness" is brought on to ourselves. I've seen a lot of "ugly Americans" overseas.

And even more within our borders!

648 Lincolntf  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 8:41:40am

re: #636 VegasRick

I've never played "playoffs" Fantasy Football. It seems more like a lottery than regular Fant. Foot. (which also includes luck, of course). I'd hate to go through the trouble of drafting a playoff team and watching half of them get wiped out in the first week.

649 ciaospirit  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 8:42:03am

re: #598 Walter L. Newton

if I'm innocent, I have no concern.

Sometimes innocence is irrelevant. Just ask Scooter Libby.

650 realwest  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 8:42:03am

re: #610 ciaospirit
Great post and link, thank you!

651 JCM  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 8:42:10am

re: #638 Occasional Reader

I know astonishingly few people from here in the DC area who are actually planning to "go", in any sense, to the Inauguration. Even among liberals, even among politically-connected liberals.

I'll listen to the speech. But I'm a political junkie.

652 Nevergiveup  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 8:42:18am

re: #643 Killgore Trout

It's time for the morning call to prayer...

[Video]

I wonder if that is DOD approved?

653 VegasRick  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 8:42:21am

re: #643 Killgore Trout

It's time for the morning call to prayer...



Nice!

654 JCM  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 8:42:43am

re: #647 sattv4u2

And even more within our borders!

LOL! ain't that the truth.

655 Nevergiveup  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 8:42:59am

re: #651 JCM

I'll listen to the speech. But I'm a political junkie.

And you obviously have a stronger stomach than I do.

656 Occasional Reader  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 8:43:13am

re: #637 JCM

Having lived over seas, a lot of "rudeness" is brought on to ourselves. I've seen a lot of "ugly Americans" overseas.

Actually, I think the "ugly American" is something of a myth, in and of itself. I don't see Americans abroad as being particularly more rude than other people. Perhaps the only exception is that Americans do tend to think everyone, everywhere understands English. Of course, there is at least some factual basis for believing this... it IS the most widely-spoken "second" language, and is without question the most common language of the tourism industry.

657 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 8:43:34am

re: #637 JCM

Having lived over seas, a lot of "rudeness" is brought on to ourselves. I've seen a lot of "ugly Americans" overseas.

Precisely. I've gone on that rant here before, and I wasn't going to do it again. Most of the rudeness I've seen, from locals to Americans, from France to Eastern Europe, has been due to "ugly Americans." Well, actually, ugly "anyones" from other countries. I could go down a list of everyone from the Japanese to the Germans and tell you how they have their on cultural "uglies" when they are on holiday.

658 [deleted]  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 8:43:47am
659 DeafDog  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 8:44:10am
660 JCM  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 8:44:11am
661 Guanxi88  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 8:44:37am

re: #642 Walter L. Newton

Whoa, do you know my girlfriend? She put me off for 2 months before I got to see her house, and then, it was still a mess. That should have been my first clue that she had problems.

I love that phrase "stone-to-the-bone nuts." Country of origin on that?

It's sort of a portmanteau term, combining "stone", short for "stone-cold" used of course to add emphasis, and "to the bone," for thoroughness. It came to me, and I don't claim original authorship, following a long bout of "therapeutic" drinking.

Wanted to say of someone that he was a stone cold bonehead. It came out "stone to bone stupid."

It had a nice sing-songy, almost Cockney ring to it, so, like many other things I came across when spifflicated, I picked it up and kept it.

662 VegasRick  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 8:44:45am

re: #648 Lincolntf

I've never played "playoffs" Fantasy Football. It seems more like a lottery than regular Fant. Foot. (which also includes luck, of course). I'd hate to go through the trouble of drafting a playoff team and watching half of them get wiped out in the first week.

Our league, you pick 1 QB, 1 RB, 1 WR every week. Caveat, you can't use the same player twice.

663 opnion  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 8:45:08am

re: #637 JCM

Having lived over seas, a lot of "rudeness" is brought on to ourselves. I've seen a lot of "ugly Americans" overseas.

On a Carriben cruise on year we docked in the Bahamas.
We shared a tour taxi with another couple.
We passed a Catholic Church & the woman turned to he husband & said
"look they have Christians here. I thought that they just did Voodo"
I looked at the driver & he just rolled his eyes.

664 sattv4u2  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 8:45:09am

re: #651 JCM

I'll listen to the speech. But I'm a political junkie.

I'll wait for the Cliff Notes version!

665 Occasional Reader  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 8:45:36am

re: #657 Walter L. Newton

Well, actually, ugly "anyones" from other countries. I could go down a list of everyone from the Japanese

When do they actually find time to WATCH all that video footage?

666 albusteve  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 8:47:18am

re: #654 JCM

LOL! ain't that the truth.

one of the things I like about NM...people are noticably polite and friendly out here...you see it immediately in the driving habits around ABQ...you never hear anyone honk...folks are real patient about taking turns and allowing you to get where you need to be...lots of folks smile and nod hello just for no reason...I visit up east along I95 and about go into shock at peoples behavior!...jus sayin

667 yma o hyd  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 8:47:21am

re: #657 Walter L. Newton

Precisely. I've gone on that rant here before, and I wasn't going to do it again. Most of the rudeness I've seen, from locals to Americans, from France to Eastern Europe, has been due to "ugly Americans." Well, actually, ugly "anyones" from other countries. I could go down a list of everyone from the Japanese to the Germans and tell you how they have their on cultural "uglies" when they are on holiday.

Heh.
The Germans are usually the butt of the jokes here in the UK - pet rant is how they put their towels on the loungers by the hotel pool, at dawn, to claim them for their own private use.
Something nobody here can get their heads round ... thus the jokes.

668 Ayatollah Ghilmeini  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 8:47:35am

re: #416 Lincolntf

yes guns are pointed at Israel- that is life in the Mid East but when the guy who hates your guts does not dare pull the trigger for fear of your response, that is deterrence.

There is an Arabic word "heyba" it means respected from fear. After this war, Israel has heyba

669 Lincolntf  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 8:47:35am

re: #662 VegasRick

So that's how it works? That sounds reasonable. I'll play next year. This year I played in two leagues, made the playoffs in both and came in 5th in both. Crappy season.

670 Kenneth  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 8:47:45am

re: #614 Desert Dog

The thread connecting all the Muslim terrorists in the world today is not really AQ, it's Iran. They have their fingers in everything nasty going on. Hezbollah, Hamas, the Shia Militias in Iraq, some of the bad guys in Afghanistan. Iran is spending a considerable amount of money and effort, funding, training and supplying bad guys around the middle east. I want to see the day we finally make those SOB's pay for that...

A million updings on that post! Amen.

671 SteveC  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 8:47:56am

18 here this morning! Who reset the Thermostat?!?!

672 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 8:47:58am

re: #656 Occasional Reader

Actually, I think the "ugly American" is something of a myth, in and of itself. I don't see Americans abroad as being particularly more rude than other people. Perhaps the only exception is that Americans do tend to think everyone, everywhere understands English. Of course, there is at least some factual basis for believing this... it IS the most widely-spoken "second" language, and is without question the most common language of the tourism industry.

But that is just where the problem starts. Assuming that you will be able to use English everywhere you go is just plain egotistic.

Look, we complain how our country has done so much to help spanish speakers, with signs and phone messages and packaging in spanish.

Well, it's the same thing in another country. People are proud of their language and culture and it's nice to at least try to address those people in their native tongues.

673 JCM  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 8:48:59am

re: #657 Walter L. Newton

Precisely. I've gone on that rant here before, and I wasn't going to do it again. Most of the rudeness I've seen, from locals to Americans, from France to Eastern Europe, has been due to "ugly Americans." Well, actually, ugly "anyones" from other countries. I could go down a list of everyone from the Japanese to the Germans and tell you how they have their on cultural "uglies" when they are on holiday.

In Iran, Tehran Americans were viewed suspiciously. All the military and contractors where there. They segregated themselves into compounds with commissaries and clubs. Interacted very little with locals.

I'd get the same standoffishness from the Iranians, till I opened my mouth and spoke Persian. Then I'd have trouble leaving, they wanted to talk so much with their American friend.

Out in the country, except for the tourist traps in Ishfan and Shiraz, it was all wonderfully hospitable.

674 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 8:49:18am

re: #661 Guanxi88

It's sort of a portmanteau term, combining "stone", short for "stone-cold" used of course to add emphasis, and "to the bone," for thoroughness. It came to me, and I don't claim original authorship, following a long bout of "therapeutic" drinking.

Wanted to say of someone that he was a stone cold bonehead. It came out "stone to bone stupid."

It had a nice sing-songy, almost Cockney ring to it, so, like many other things I came across when spifflicated, I picked it up and kept it.

Well, I was guessing cockney at my end.

675 sattv4u2  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 8:49:23am

re: #671 SteveC

18 here this morning! Who reset the Thermostat?!?!

I'm not sure, but as long as it keeps Al Gores PIE HOLE shut, I'm all for it !

676 Occasional Reader  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 8:49:32am

re: #658 Iron Fist

I can see them trying to sell this by saying that "nobody needs to buy a thousand rounds of ammo at a time"

You don't need to hunt deer, you see. (And we all know that the Second Amendment is all about hunting deer.)

677 albusteve  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 8:49:45am

re: #658 Iron Fist

nice...thanks

678 yma o hyd  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 8:49:53am

re: #660 JCM

Brrr, it's cold...

Any Polar Bears sighted in the New England States yet?

;-)

679 Desert Dog  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 8:50:25am

re: #672 Walter L. Newton

But that is just where the problem starts. Assuming that you will be able to use English everywhere you go is just plain egotistic.

Look, we complain how our country has done so much to help spanish speakers, with signs and phone messages and packaging in spanish.

Well, it's the same thing in another country. People are proud of their language and culture and it's nice to at least try to address those people in their native tongues.

I always try to learn the swear words first, they are very helpful in many situations. So, is "where's the bathroom" and "can I have a beer, please"

680 [deleted]  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 8:50:51am
681 BenZacharia  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 8:50:56am

Hiya IF, longtime...

gonna go retro. My PC has a virus *cough Windows Vista. And I can't figure out how to disable hover auto click. Anybody else?

682 Occasional Reader  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 8:51:07am

re: #676 Occasional Reader

You don't need a thousand rounds to hunt deer, you see.

PIMF

683 Kenneth  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 8:51:16am

re: #629 Occasional Reader

And whoever wins, gets Yemen as a prize. How's that for incentive?

Are you kidding? You could control the world's supply of myhrr!

No War For Incense!

684 lawhawk  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 8:51:30am

This is a pretty amazing photo, showing an Israeli WP shell hitting in the vicinity of a UN school. Photographer was able to catch the shell and the fragments landing. So, why was Israel firing on the school and its environs? This photo caption explains:

Palestinian civilians and medics run to safety during an Israeli strike over a UN school in Beit Lahia, northern Gaza Strip early on January 17, 2009. A woman and a child were killed early today in the Israeli strike on the UN-run school in northern Gaza where civilians were sheltering from the fighting, medics and witnesses said. Fierce clashes were underway around the school as Israeli tanks exchanged fire with Palestinian militants, they said.

Hamas was firing on Israel from around the school, and Israeli return fire hit the school. Who will be blamed? Israel of course, because the fact that Hamas was firing from in and around the school will be dropped from reports.

685 sattv4u2  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 8:51:35am

re: #679 Desert Dog

I always try to learn the swear words first, they are very helpful in many situations. So, is "where's the bathroom" and "can I have a beer, please"

I go with the important stuff 1st

"does that come with a happy ending?"

686 Lincolntf  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 8:51:38am

re: #668 Ayatollah Ghilmeini

I hope so, and I'm no pessimist. But it's hard for me to get fully behind any agreement that Israel strikes with Hamas. History shows a 100% recidivism rate among Islamist terror groups.
Also, the Gilad Shalit issue (apart from being about the life of a human being) nags at me. Failure to recover Shalit means that Hamas is still calling some of their own shots and that their fear of Israel extends only so far.

687 Guanxi88  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 8:51:47am

re: #672 Walter L. Newton

But that is just where the problem starts. Assuming that you will be able to use English everywhere you go is just plain egotistic.

People are proud of their language and culture and it's nice to at least try to address those people in their native tongues.

Much as I am an American chauvinist, gotta agree with you on that. Even the worst, most garbled attempt at the local language is, in my experience, deeply appreciated.

You say to the guy in Moscow: "Izvinite m'ne, pozhal..." He hears the yankee accent, realizes you're having real trouble with the yazik, but that you don't presume to speak English at him right off the bat, and he gets to be the bigger guy, the better educated, more worldly fellow, and he accommodates you by dusting off his English and helping you out.

I've had similar experiences virtually everywhere I've gone.

688 SteveC  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 8:52:05am

re: #672 Walter L. Newton

But that is just where the problem starts. Assuming that you will be able to use English everywhere you go is just plain egotistic.

Look, we complain how our country has done so much to help spanish speakers, with signs and phone messages and packaging in spanish.

Well, it's the same thing in another country. People are proud of their language and culture and it's nice to at least try to address those people in their native tongues.

Was on vacation in Mexico once, over heard a woman complain about the signs being in Spanish! She finally said "This is what it's like to be retarded."

Go home, lady. I'll mail you a refund myself!

689 realwest  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 8:52:11am

re: #658 Iron Fist
Hey Bro' - cold enough for ya in the southland there?!
LOL!
Somewhat serious question about buying guns and ammo - unless you've formed a fairly large group, what good will it do an individual to own say 5 rifles and 4 pistols with tons of ammo, if the government comes after it all?
I mean, y'all can't win a shoot out against the government.

690 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 8:52:20am

re: #673 JCM

In Iran, Tehran Americans were viewed suspiciously. All the military and contractors where there. They segregated themselves into compounds with commissaries and clubs. Interacted very little with locals.

I'd get the same standoffishness from the Iranians, till I opened my mouth and spoke Persian. Then I'd have trouble leaving, they wanted to talk so much with their American friend.

Out in the country, except for the tourist traps in Ishfan and Shiraz, it was all wonderfully hospitable.

I always use this example. If you worked in New York City, and you were rushing from the subway to your office building, how would you like to get stopped, day after day by tourists asking for directions, and only speaking French?

It's the same way in Paris.

You have to remember, as a traveller, you're on holiday, but not the everyday people you come in contact with, they're working, be as nice to them as you would to someone at your local greasy spoon.

691 yma o hyd  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 8:52:34am

re: #679 Desert Dog

Most important, in any language, are 'please' and thank you'!

692 SteveC  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 8:52:44am

re: #676 Occasional Reader

You don't need to hunt deer, you see. (And we all know that the Second Amendment is all about hunting deer.)

I thought it was the right to arm bears?

693 Guanxi88  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 8:52:47am

re: #674 Walter L. Newton

Well, I was guessing cockney at my end.

Used to booze up with Britishers who hadn't the benefit of gentle upbringings, and so I imagine that there was some cross-pollination there.

694 Killgore Trout  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 8:53:44am

re: #684 lawhawk

Wow. Amazing pics.

695 lawhawk  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 8:53:48am

re: #678 yma o hyd

Any Polar Bears sighted in the New England States yet?

;-)

Yes (British Columbia). Disturbing, but yes.

And they're out in force in NYC too.

696 Desert Dog  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 8:54:36am

re: #660 JCM

Brrr, it's cold...


We are having a weather emergency here in Phoenix!

Phoenix weather

Please send sunscreen, swimming suits, sunglasses and drinks with little umbrellas in them, as they are all in short supply down here...OH THE PAIN of living in the desert...I can barely stand it!

697 ciaospirit  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 8:54:49am

Anybody home Al? Haven't heard from you lately. Hollywood? Anybody there?

BIRMINGHAM, Ala. – Alabama was colder than Alaska, water fountains froze into ice sculptures in South Carolina and Florida shivered through a brush of Arctic air blast that deadened car batteries in the Northeast and prompted scattered Midwest power outages.

698 albusteve  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 8:54:52am

re: #680 Iron Fist

You can find FMJ around here in .45, but jacketed hollowpoints are still hard to come by. The same is true of 5.56. Right now 5.56 is $0.40 a round for FMJ. Wally World is having some good prices on shotgun ammunition.

Ammo is a lot more available now than it was before Christmas. Prices are higher, though. That'll drop off in time if Obama and the Donks leave gun control alone. If they don't, I expect there to be a massive amount of demand that will only increase as the Government gets closer to actually passing something.

I've been thinking about buying ammo before I get my pistol!...now that would make up my mind...I've been sitting on way to long now...I snoozed and I loozed...

699 Occasional Reader  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 8:54:54am

re: #672 Walter L. Newton

Well, it's the same thing in another country. People are proud of their language and culture and it's nice to at least try to address those people in their native tongues.

I completely agree. My only point is that we English-speakers are more easily lulled into thinking that they can travel the world and speak only English because... well... we more or less can. The Japanese, for instance, are under no such illusions about their own language.

700 JCM  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 8:55:07am

re: #656 Occasional Reader

Actually, I think the "ugly American" is something of a myth, in and of itself. I don't see Americans abroad as being particularly more rude than other people. Perhaps the only exception is that Americans do tend to think everyone, everywhere understands English. Of course, there is at least some factual basis for believing this... it IS the most widely-spoken "second" language, and is without question the most common language of the tourism industry.

Somewhat, in my experience it wasn't out and out rudeness. In Iran most Americans living there segregated themselves into compounds. Security was a huge issue, but it sent the message, "we don't what to live with you." Then the expectation that everyone should speak English. Last would be a papable disdain for the local culture and way of doing things. While our way may be in truth better, we don't need to hold our nose and say "ewww" while a guest in their country.

701 DeafDog  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 8:55:24am

re: #672 Walter L. Newton

But that is just where the problem starts. Assuming that you will be able to use English everywhere you go is just plain egotistic.

Look, we complain how our country has done so much to help spanish speakers, with signs and phone messages and packaging in spanish.

Well, it's the same thing in another country. People are proud of their language and culture and it's nice to at least try to address those people in their native tongues.


FWIW - I've been able to get around all over the globe with English, HS Spanish and a phrase book. As long as you are humble and try to offer a phrase in the native language, most people are understanding.

The hardest place to travel, by far, was Japan. There are no signs in English there, and since the alphabet is completely different it's hard to decipher clues on where you are. The Japanese are, IMO, much more prejudiced towards non-Japanese than anything I've seen in elsewhere in the Americas, Europe or Asia.

702 SteveC  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 8:55:58am

re: #696 Desert Dog

We are having a weather emergency here in Phoenix!

Phoenix weather

Please send sunscreen, swimming suits, sunglasses and drinks with little umbrellas in them, as they are all in short supply down here...OH THE PAIN of living in the desert...I can barely stand it!

*Note to self: FedEx Desert Dog a bucket of snow.*

703 Guanxi88  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 8:56:12am

re: #699 Occasional Reader

I completely agree. My only point is that we English-speakers are more easily lulled into thinking that they can travel the world and speak only English because... well... we more or less can. The Japanese, for instance, are under no such illusions about their own language.

Yes, the average American travelling abroad has a hard time not feeling, in some ways, like a Roman during the days of Augustus.

704 Occasional Reader  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 8:56:48am

re: #680 Iron Fist

I'm pretty much stocked with what I think I need for home defense/shit hits fan scenarios (at least the ones I consider realistic... I'm not among the "prepare for Armageddon" types). And my range makes you buy their ammo anyway, so not a lot more I can do.

705 Desert Dog  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 8:56:48am

re: #691 yma o hyd

Most important, in any language, are 'please' and thank you'!

Yes, I know, I was being a smart ass...If you at least attempt to speak the local lingo, you instantly show you respect the local folks and that goes a long way, no matter where you go in the world.

706 [deleted]  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 8:57:00am
707 albusteve  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 8:57:20am

re: #696 Desert Dog

We are having a weather emergency here in Phoenix!

Phoenix weather

Please send sunscreen, swimming suits, sunglasses and drinks with little umbrellas in them, as they are all in short supply down here...OH THE PAIN of living in the desert...I can barely stand it!

my sister is in Yuma...85+...oh the humanity

708 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 8:57:26am

re: #679 Desert Dog

I always try to learn the swear words first, they are very helpful in many situations. So, is "where's the bathroom" and "can I have a beer, please"

I've told people over and over, you only need 5 words to get you all around Paris.

1) Toilette
2) Merci
3) S'il vous plait
4) Bonjour
5) avouir

re: #687 Guanxi88

It works every time. Start speaking their native tongue, it drives them "crazy" and at that point they are thrilled to try out their mangled English on you. And most of the time their English is better than your skills with their language.

709 JCM  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 8:57:48am

re: #681 BenZacharia

Hiya IF, longtime...

gonna go retro. My PC has a virus *cough Windows Vista. And I can't figure out how to disable hover auto click. Anybody else?

Gah!
Try; Personalize, then the mouse settings. Don't have a running Vista machine handy to walk you through step by step.

710 x-wing  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 8:58:06am

re: #695 lawhawk

Yes (British Columbia). Disturbing, but yes.

And they're out in force in NYC too.

I saw a peguin wondering around last night looking lost here in Pa.

/it couldn't have been the beer.

13 degrees here at high noon. yipee!

711 BenZacharia  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 8:58:27am

1,000 rounds, An LGF meet-up, before breakfast, that is.

712 JCM  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 8:58:54am

re: #696 Desert Dog

We are having a weather emergency here in Phoenix!

Phoenix weather

Please send sunscreen, swimming suits, sunglasses and drinks with little umbrellas in them, as they are all in short supply down here...OH THE PAIN of living in the desert...I can barely stand it!

58°? Tee shirt, short and sandal weather!
;-P

713 yma o hyd  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 8:59:24am

re: #695 lawhawk

Aww!
Nice to see that our traditional Welsh Christmas Day festivity has made it across the Big Pond!

714 Guanxi88  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 8:59:25am

re: #708 Walter L. Newton

re: #687 Guanxi88

It works every time. Start speaking their native tongue, it drives them "crazy" and at that point they are thrilled to try out their mangled English on you. And most of the time their English is better than your skills with their language.

And, let's be honest, it's not a bad way to get friendlier with the native girls. Even suppressed my knowledge of the local language once; she was that beautiful.

715 Lincolntf  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 8:59:31am

re: #687 Guanxi88

Some of the "ugly Americanism" is almost unavoidable because some differences are so ingrained. When I lived in Germany, I could never get used to joining another party at their table in a restaurant (two people sitting there, two empty seats at the four-top). It just felt way too rude (particularly when I could barely speak the language well enough to make conversation), but I know it ticked off the waitstaff when me and my party would wait for a fully empty table. I also used to tick off bartenders (I eventually broke this habit) by leaving a tip each time I got a beer. Rather than sweeping the mark or two into a cup or something, the bartender would feel obligated to track me down and return my "change", thus wasting his/her time.

716 vxbush  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 8:59:44am

re: #624 yma o hyd

Here's something which might help to cheer you up a bit: they won't be able to get it going very quickly - it might take a few years, during which much can happen ... Tony Blair didn't get this done during his first term in office either!

Then that may be my only hope.

Well, regardless of how dark the future looks, at least my carpets have been vacuumed and my bare floors swept and mopped today. I'll have to take pleasure in the little things.

717 SteveC  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 8:59:55am

re: #710 x-wing

I saw a peguin wondering around last night looking lost here in Pa.

Anyone heard from Goddess of the classroom? It was 84 degrees below cold in Pittsburgh last night, we may have to organize a rescue mission.

718 DeafDog  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 9:00:00am

re: #703 Guanxi88

Yes, the average American travelling abroad has a hard time not feeling, in some ways, like a Roman during the days of Augustus.

And Obama going to Washingtong is like Caesar entering Rome.

719 BenZacharia  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 9:00:12am

re: #706 Iron Fist

If I can't get rid of some *features* its' gonna happen.

720 Desert Dog  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 9:00:35am

re: #712 JCM

crisp in the mornings, but almost hot in the afternoon...no clouds have been spotted over the past week or so...Mr Sunshine is our friend this half of the year.

721 BenZacharia  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 9:01:48am

re: #709 JCM

No option to disable. Tried all the standard stuff and some other forums, no dice.

722 Guanxi88  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 9:01:52am

re: #715 Lincolntf

Some of the "ugly Americanism" is almost unavoidable because some differences are so ingrained. When I lived in Germany, I could never get used to joining another party at their table in a restaurant (two people sitting there, two empty seats at the four-top). It just felt way too rude (particularly when I could barely speak the language well enough to make conversation), but I know it ticked off the waitstaff when me and my party would wait for a fully empty table. I also used to tick off bartenders (I eventually broke this habit) by leaving a tip each time I got a beer. Rather than sweeping the mark or two into a cup or something, the bartender would feel obligated to track me down and return my "change", thus wasting his/her time.

Well now, that is just barbarism on their part. This has to be a two-way street, after all. You're making the effort not to be rude; if Fritz there don't savvy, his loss. (The thing with the tips is always funny. We Yanks are notorious for over-tipping, even when we get screwed on the price.)

723 opnion  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 9:01:57am

re: #672 Walter L. Newton

But that is just where the problem starts. Assuming that you will be able to use English everywhere you go is just plain egotistic.

Look, we complain how our country has done so much to help spanish speakers, with signs and phone messages and packaging in spanish.

Well, it's the same thing in another country. People are proud of their language and culture and it's nice to at least try to address those people in their native tongues.

Walter I do not totally disagree with you, but then I do think that Spanish signs & greetings here & the expectation of English being spoken in other parts of the world is an odious comparison.
Overwhelming Spanish speakers are here to earn money not drop pesos. In areas where American tourists frequent, the primary goal of the locals is to separate you from greenbacks.

724 Occasional Reader  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 9:01:57am

re: #708 Walter L. Newton

I've told people over and over, you only need 5 words to get you all around Paris.

1) Toilette
2) Merci
3) S'il vous plait
4) Bonjour
5) avouir

"Confess"?

What have you been doing in Paris, Walter?

725 SteveC  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 9:02:30am

re: #720 Desert Dog

crisp in the mornings, but almost hot in the afternoon...no clouds have been spotted over the past week or so...Mr Sunshine is our friend this half of the year.

Mr. Sunshine? That's a bit formal. The last time I called him Mr. he just rolled his eyes and said "Call me Earl."

726 Guanxi88  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 9:02:35am

re: #718 DeafDog

And Obama going to Washingtong is like Caesar entering Rome.

Eh, the chronology's a little off, but I take the general meaning.

Caesar, though, at least he did something.

727 sattv4u2  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 9:02:43am

re: #678 yma o hyd

Any Polar Bears sighted in the New England States yet?

;-)re: #710 x-wing

I saw a peguin wondering around last night looking lost here in Pa.

/it couldn't have been the beer.

13 degrees here at high noon. yipee!

I like to drive my liberal freinds nuts. I tell them that if the Polar Bears DO become extinct, it'll mean a HUGE upswing in the Seal/ Walrus/ Caribou population!

728 yma o hyd  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 9:02:58am

re: #705 Desert Dog

Yes, I know, I was being a smart ass...If you at least attempt to speak the local lingo, you instantly show you respect the local folks and that goes a long way, no matter where you go in the world.

Thats so true - and it really pays off if you go your own ways, off the beaten touristy track.

I have very fond memories of travelling in France with my late husband - lovely little village inns, lovely people, some hilarious experiences.

729 Desert Dog  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 9:03:10am

re: #725 SteveC

Mr. Sunshine? That's a bit formal. The last time I called him Mr. he just rolled his eyes and said "Call me Earl."

Well in the summer, it's: The G-D Damned Sun!

730 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 9:03:20am

re: #701 DeafDog

FWIW - I've been able to get around all over the globe with English, HS Spanish and a phrase book. As long as you are humble and try to offer a phrase in the native language, most people are understanding.

The hardest place to travel, by far, was Japan. There are no signs in English there, and since the alphabet is completely different it's hard to decipher clues on where you are. The Japanese are, IMO, much more prejudiced towards non-Japanese than anything I've seen in elsewhere in the Americas, Europe or Asia.

It gets harder when you move away from latinated languages. Most people can read the basic context of a newspaper article in French, even if they know no French. But, if you are in Poland, suddenly none of the words look familiar (expect for loan words EI: taxi). And one you get away from the Greek alphabet (like Russian or Japanese) you're really in the dark.

731 Bubblehead II  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 9:03:23am

re: #717 SteveC

She had to go in for some pre-sat teaching today. She was on earlier.

732 BenZacharia  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 9:04:03am

re: #726 Guanxi88

Eh, the chronology's a little off, but I take the general meaning.

Caesar, though, at least he did something.

Next stepin that parade is the crossing of the Rubicon.

733 albusteve  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 9:04:11am

the MSN creates more of an ugly American image than the people themselves

734 x-wing  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 9:04:34am

re: #717 SteveC

Anyone heard from Goddess of the classroom? It was 84 degrees below cold in Pittsburgh last night, we may have to organize a rescue mission.

That sounds about right. Last temp I saw overnight was 4 not counting the wind chill. ;>}

735 Karagush  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 9:05:02am

re: #715 Lincolntf

Some of the "ugly Americanism" is almost unavoidable because some differences are so ingrained. When I lived in Germany, I could never get used to joining another party at their table in a restaurant (two people sitting there, two empty seats at the four-top). It just felt way too rude (particularly when I could barely speak the language well enough to make conversation), but I know it ticked off the waitstaff when me and my party would wait for a fully empty table. I also used to tick off bartenders (I eventually broke this habit) by leaving a tip each time I got a beer. Rather than sweeping the mark or two into a cup or something, the bartender would feel obligated to track me down and return my "change", thus wasting his/her time.

you know i spent a lot of time in europe as a teen, and my sister lived in Milan when i was older so this manner became natural to me (i was an AF brat) so now i instinctively offer couples a chance to sit at my table in crowded restraunts here! Has resulted in meting the most facinating people,and often people are so grateful if you are in a crowd and desperate to get lunch.

736 Occasional Reader  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 9:05:08am

re: #722 Guanxi88

We Yanks are notorious for over-tipping,

We're kind of nuts on that, I think. In most of the world, 10% is fine, even generous.

737 sattv4u2  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 9:05:23am

re: #729 Desert Dog

Well in the summer, it's: The G-D Damned Sun!

Summer? Whats that? I'm from New England. We have 4 seasons.

almost winter, winter, still winter, & road
construction.

738 Guanxi88  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 9:05:28am

re: #733 albusteve

the MSN creates more of an ugly American image than the people themselves

And our pop culture. If I judged America solely on the basis of our cultural exports, I'd be appalled, disgusted, and more than a little contemptuous.

739 JCM  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 9:06:01am

re: #719 BenZacharia

If I can't get rid of some *features* its' gonna happen.

What are the specs on your box? Vista requires serious horsepower.
Processor: Single core or processor 3.0Ghz or greater. Multicore or multi processor 2.Ghz or better.
Memory: 2GB minimum, more is better.
Video: This the biggie, and where most boxes fail. Graphics on board the motherboard is a big FAIL with Vista, you need a graphics card. AGP8x or better with older boxes, PCIExpress x8 or x16 on newer ones, with at least 256MB, 3D engine and DirectX capable. If your running dual monitors make the card 512MB.

740 realwest  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 9:06:11am

re: #721 BenZacharia
Hey Ben - do y'all have a VISTA keyboard? There's a ton of buttons on left side, right side (which I think are for media/video controls) and top of my VISTA keyboard (well the keyboard that came with my new VISTA computer - only bought it cause my XP was dying and NO computer store I tired had any XP's for sale)?

741 Guanxi88  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 9:06:49am

re: #737 sattv4u2

Summer? Whats that? I'm from New England. We have 4 seasons.

almost winter, winter, still winter, & road
construction.

I heard, when I lived up that way, that there were only two seasons:

Six months of Winter

Six months of bad sledding.

742 yma o hyd  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 9:06:53am

re: #716 vxbush

Then that may be my only hope.

Well, regardless of how dark the future looks, at least my carpets have been vacuumed and my bare floors swept and mopped today. I'll have to take pleasure in the little things.

Thats the ticket!
Its really wonderful when one can turn chores into little things in which and from which to take pleasure.

This attention to 'little things' is also, if I may say so, something deeply Christian.

743 [deleted]  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 9:07:13am
744 Guanxi88  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 9:07:23am

re: #742 yma o hyd

Thats the ticket!
Its really wonderful when one can turn chores into little things in which and from which to take pleasure.

Chop wood, carry water, etc...

745 Broomer  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 9:07:29am

Shabbat in Israel is now over, which means we'll find out soon if there's a "ceasefire" or not. Nail biter time!

746 DeafDog  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 9:07:40am

re: #730 Walter L. Newton

It gets harder when you move away from latinated languages. Most people can read the basic context of a newspaper article in French, even if they know no French. But, if you are in Poland, suddenly none of the words look familiar (expect for loan words EI: taxi). And one you get away from the Greek alphabet (like Russian or Japanese) you're really in the dark.

Poland at least has some signs in English and, getting beside the language issue, Pole, I thought, just love Americans (or maybe it was my money). On the other hand, a white man in Japan sticks out worse than a sore thumb and the Japanese lear at you suspiciously. Maybe someone else who has been there can back me up on this. It's really weird.

747 yma o hyd  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 9:07:57am

re: #718 DeafDog

And Obama going to Washingtong is like Caesar entering Rome.

Only difference - he'll not have a slave standing behind him, telling him ever so often that he, also, is mortal ...

748 x-wing  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 9:08:04am

re: #727 sattv4u2

I like to drive my liberal freinds nuts. I tell them that if the Polar Bears DO become extinct, it'll mean a HUGE upswing in the Seal/ Walrus/ Caribou population!

But..but..but.. I thought it was those mean Canadians and the pipeline ;>}%P%

749 ciaospirit  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 9:08:09am

Not one word about limited government. He insults the Founding Fathers. The man is despicable.

Obama: Americans must emulate courage of founders

PHILADELPHIA – President-elect Barack Obama is calling on Americans to live up to the courage and sacrifice of the country's founders as they strive to redeem the promise of freedom.

In a speech to a crowd gathered in a flag-draped waiting room at Philadelphia's 30th St. train station, Obama talked of the heavy challenges facing people now, including a staggering economy and global warming.

750 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 9:08:29am

re: #724 Occasional Reader

"Confess"?

What have you been doing in Paris, Walter?

I'm sorry. I spelt that more like it's pronounced, they do not speak it out "au revoir." They drop most of the syllables and say "a vwa."

751 Desert Dog  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 9:08:30am

re: #733 albusteve

the MSN creates more of an ugly American image than the people themselves

The problem with Americans is we are loud, very loud. The only people I have met louder than the Americans are Aussies. Sometimes our reputation for being "Ugly Americans" is deserved...sometimes not. When I lived in the UK in the 80's, I remember a taxi driver telling me that the Brits complain about the Yanks, but they all miss them when they stop coming over. Apparently, as bad as we are, we are still better than the Japanese, Chinese, Germans and French.

752 ggt  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 9:08:59am

Hello Lizards! Just a drive-by to share this awesome photo. (from secondcitycop.blogspot.com) Apologies if it's been posted before.

753 Guanxi88  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 9:09:13am

re: #746 DeafDog

Poland at least has some signs in English and, getting beside the language issue, Pole, I thought, just love Americans (or maybe it was my money).

Poles are some of the friendliest folks you'll find in Eastern or Central Europe. Amazing, so awful a history, and such nice people.

754 [deleted]  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 9:09:21am
755 sattv4u2  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 9:09:27am

re: #748 x-wing

But..but..but.. I thought it was those mean Canadians and the pipeline ;>}%P%

Wanna see a head explode?

Go into a Whole Foods Market and ask for Tuna Free Dolphin

756 Desert Dog  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 9:09:28am

re: #737 sattv4u2

Summer? Whats that? I'm from New England. We have 4 seasons.

almost winter, winter, still winter, & road
construction.

We have two seasons: Hot and warm The road construction is year round and non stop

757 lawhawk  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 9:09:54am

Via the Muqata:

7:06 PM IDF Update: Snipers were shooting from the home of Dr. El Ayash at IDF forces.

6:31 PM Defense Ministry reporting IDF forces came under fire from the home/medical office building of Gazan (Israeli trained) Doctor El Ayash (who also worked at Seroka hospital in Be'er Sheva). IDF forces returned fire on the terrorist source and among the killed were Dr. Ayash 3 daughters.

Well, what do you know. Terrorists using civilians as human shields. If Dr. Ayash wants to show his anger, vent it at Hamas, not at Israel.

758 x-wing  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 9:10:21am

re: #733 albusteve

the MSN creates more of an ugly American image than the people themselves

I could only up-ding that once. Here's five more for ya.

up-ding
up-ding
up-ding
up-ding
up-ding

759 ciaospirit  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 9:10:41am

re: #727 sattv4u2

I like to drive my liberal freinds nuts. I tell them that if the Polar Bears DO become extinct, it'll mean a HUGE upswing in the Seal/ Walrus/ Caribou population!

Does it cause their heads to explode?

760 sattv4u2  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 9:11:14am

re: #759 ciaospirit

Does it cause their heads to explode?

see my #755

761 BenZacharia  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 9:11:25am

re: #739 JCM

Toshiba satellite
3gb ram
350 gb hd
64 bit
amd turion x2 64 bit
ati graphics

762 ciaospirit  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 9:11:27am

re: #754 Iron Fist

I thought the most important words were "Go fuck yourself!" and "Fuck off and die!" Please? Thank you? What is this "please" of which you speak?

:-)

Now you're talkin' my language. lol

763 DeafDog  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 9:11:40am

re: #747 yma o hyd

Only difference - he'll not have a slave standing behind him, telling him ever so often that he, also, is mortal ...

heh! Hail Obama!

764 realwest  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 9:11:41am

re: #752 ggt Hey ggt! Great photo! Thanks for posting it!

765 Occasional Reader  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 9:11:44am

re: #743 Iron Fist

Your range makes you buy their ammo? I wouldn't like that.

That's their policy. That said, they don't really check. Now that my break-in on the Kimber is done, I'm planning to run some JHPs through it on the sly. Please don't tell them...

766 winston06  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 9:11:50am

BBC news reporting that Israel is going to declare ceasefire...

767 opnion  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 9:11:56am

The Obama train is on the move to adoring crowds. I snidely pointed out to my wife that Lincoln did it in secrecy due to assasination fears , not as a publicity stunt like Obama.
She suggested that I should go on prozac for the next three days.
Hmmm, she is flirting with the other side, I fear.

768 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 9:12:12am

re: #746 DeafDog

Poland at least has some signs in English and, getting beside the language issue, Pole, I thought, just love Americans (or maybe it was my money). On the other hand, a white man in Japan sticks out worse than a sore thumb and the Japanese lear at you suspiciously. Maybe someone else who has been there can back me up on this. It's really weird.

The Poles are wonderful people, and yes, really friendly, but they are still a little behind in their "tourist English" skills. I get a weekly English language emailed magazine from Warsaw, and the mag is run by ex-pats living in Poland. Good material.

I been all over Poland, and if you are looking for a way to save money on a vacation, prices are still better in Eastern Europe than a lot of other places. They badly want the tourists.

769 ciaospirit  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 9:12:24am

re: #755 sattv4u2

Wanna see a head explode?

Go into a Whole Foods Market and ask for Tuna Free Dolphin

lol. I missed that one. Too funny.

770 JCM  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 9:12:32am

re: #752 ggt

Hello Lizards! Just a drive-by to share this awesome photo. (from secondcitycop.blogspot.com) Apologies if it's been posted before.

I like the guy on far right, light blue shirt and tie standing there with with his hands in his pockets like he's waiting for the bus.

On the other hand, I don't like him. He was first off, apparently from his position on the wing. What happen to women and children first? If he was first off, he should have stayed by the exit and helped everyone else off. But that's just me. I could be their he was on the wing exit seat and told to go and go as far as he could. Just kvetching, not a serious criticism.

771 Guanxi88  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 9:12:47am

re: #768 Walter L. Newton

The Poles are wonderful people, and yes, really friendly, but they are still a little behind in their "tourist English" skills. I get a weekly English language emailed magazine from Warsaw, and the mag is run by ex-pats living in Poland. Good material.

I been all over Poland, and if you are looking for a way to save money on a vacation, prices are still better in Eastern Europe than a lot of other places. They badly want the tourists.

Yes, like in that documentary I saw not too long ago: Hostel.

772 DeafDog  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 9:12:48am

re: #749 ciaospirit

Not one word about limited government. He insults the Founding Fathers. The man is despicable.

Obama: Americans must emulate courage of founders

Kind of ballsy on his part, I got to admit. He's relying on his followers' ignorance.

773 VegasRick  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 9:12:49am

re: #757 lawhawk

Via the Muqata:


Well, what do you know. Terrorists using civilians as human shields. If Dr. Ayash wants to show his anger, vent it at Hamas, not at Israel.

That is areally cool site.

774 BenZacharia  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 9:12:50am

re: #740 realwest

Hey Ben - do y'all have a VISTA keyboard? There's a ton of buttons on left side, right side (which I think are for media/video controls) and top of my VISTA keyboard (well the keyboard that came with my new VISTA computer - only bought it cause my XP was dying and NO computer store I tired had any XP's for sale)?

no vista kb

775 JCM  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 9:13:02am

re: #755 sattv4u2

Wanna see a head explode?

Go into a Whole Foods Market and ask for Tuna Free Dolphin

ROFLMAO!
With a side of medical waste...

776 vxbush  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 9:13:46am

re: #742 yma o hyd

Thats the ticket!
Its really wonderful when one can turn chores into little things in which and from which to take pleasure.

This attention to 'little things' is also, if I may say so, something deeply Christian.

You may be right. I just finished That Hideous Strength, as I said earlier, and I noted there the emphasis that Lewis put on normal household chores more than I had in the past. While these people were waiting for the "big event," thinking they were going to do some serious battle, it turns out that the management of the house, the daily chores, was just about all the ended up having to do.

This generates serious pondering for me.

777 yma o hyd  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 9:13:47am

re: #744 Guanxi88

Chop wood, carry water, etc...

Yep, why not!

I used to spend four or five weeks in late winter/early spring in a cottage in West Wales. Next shop half an hour walk away - next bus stop 45 minutes.
Open fire to heat the lot - driftwood needed to be gathered every second day at least.
Coal fire - needed to be kept going all day ... ashes removed daily, coal buckets carried in ... Little things, to which one had to pay attention.

I loved it ...

(The icy bathroom - not so much!)

778 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 9:13:47am

re: #751 Desert Dog

I find the Germans to be the loudest.

779 winston06  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 9:13:51am

re: #767 opnion

Try Ann Coulter's new book. Stronger than any thing else for now

780 JCM  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 9:13:59am

re: #772 DeafDog

Kind of ballsy on his part, I got to admit. He's relying on his followers' ignorance.

The One knows not of which he speaks.

781 winston06  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 9:14:10am

re: #778 Walter L. Newton

Dutch are the loudest

782 realwest  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 9:14:10am

re: #774 BenZacharia
Crap, then I'm afraid I can't help ya - but this machine took me about three weeks to get used to; what is your problem again?

783 Shug  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 9:14:18am

re: #775 JCM

ROFLMAO!
With a side of medical waste...

and ask them for the Veal and the inorganic chicken

784 kansas  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 9:14:46am

So since global warming is bullshit, perhaps the economy is better than Obama will let on?

785 albusteve  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 9:15:10am

re: #770 JCM

I like the guy on far right, light blue shirt and tie standing there with with his hands in his pockets like he's waiting for the bus.

On the other hand, I don't like him. He was first off, apparently from his position on the wing. What happen to women and children first? If he was first off, he should have stayed by the exit and helped everyone else off. But that's just me. I could be their he was on the wing exit seat and told to go and go as far as he could. Just kvetching, not a serious criticism.

he's also standing on the narrowest part of the wing...I dont think I'd have my hands in my pockets...just lucky the water is so calm

786 BenZacharia  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 9:15:19am

re: #782 realwest

hover auto click

787 sattv4u2  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 9:15:19am

re: #769 ciaospirit

lol. I missed that one. Too funny.

I've actually done that. Stand there with a straight face and for a few seconds they'll look at me for a moment, and then say "don't you mean dolphin free tuna?". Still with a straight face, I say "no, I don't"
I like to see that little patch of foam form at the corners of their mouths!

788 winston06  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 9:15:21am

A tip for Charles; Would you plz in a blog entry guide those of us who would like to buy Mac computers as to what's good and bad? What should a buyer expect? Thnx

789 Guanxi88  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 9:15:46am

re: #778 Walter L. Newton

I find the Germans to be the loudest.

re: #781 winston06

Dutch are the loudest

Now, you really wanna hear some decibels, ya gotta hit Asia. Ain't no loud like Cantonese loud; same goes double for Vietnamese, Cambodians, and their neighbors.

790 yma o hyd  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 9:16:01am

re: #751 Desert Dog

The problem with Americans is we are loud, very loud. The only people I have met louder than the Americans are Aussies. Sometimes our reputation for being "Ugly Americans" is deserved...sometimes not. When I lived in the UK in the 80's, I remember a taxi driver telling me that the Brits complain about the Yanks, but they all miss them when they stop coming over. Apparently, as bad as we are, we are still better than the Japanese, Chinese, Germans and French.

I think the British beer-swilling lads and ladettes have easily taken over as 'ugly', right around the Mediterranean, and in Prague and Riga as well.
Nothing is as ugly as a crowd of young Brits, pissed out of their tiny minds ...

791 winston06  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 9:16:10am

re: #789 Guanxi88

Been there and I agree. LoL

792 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 9:16:30am

re: #770 JCM

I like the guy on far right, light blue shirt and tie standing there with with his hands in his pockets like he's waiting for the bus.

On the other hand, I don't like him. He was first off, apparently from his position on the wing. What happen to women and children first? If he was first off, he should have stayed by the exit and helped everyone else off. But that's just me. I could be their he was on the wing exit seat and told to go and go as far as he could. Just kvetching, not a serious criticism.

I suspect, (but I could be wrong), since that plane only has one aisle, that people were simply moved off the plane row by row, and there wasn't to much room to navigate certain people to the head of the line(s).

I would imagine an orderly evacuation was more important to the crew than the old "women and children first" mantra.

793 VegasRick  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 9:16:52am

re: #783 Shug

and ask them for the Veal and the inorganic chicken

I ask if they have anything still alive so I can take it home and kill it. I like fresh stuff.

794 opnion  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 9:16:56am

re: #779 winston06

Try Ann Coulter's new book. Stronger than any thing else for now


I believe that the point is that I look like a sore loser, but hey I am much worse as a winner!

795 Killgore Trout  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 9:17:00am

re: #757 lawhawk

The doctor was being interviewed on tv when he was notified of the attack...

796 x-wing  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 9:17:24am

re: #755 sattv4u2

Wanna see a head explode?

Go into a Whole Foods Market and ask for Tuna Free Dolphin


I remember the look on peoples faces when I'd offer them some fresh dolphin after a fishing trip to the Outer Banks

/priceless.

797 Desert Dog  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 9:17:30am

re: #790 yma o hyd

I think the British beer-swilling lads and ladettes have easily taken over as 'ugly', right around the Mediterranean, and in Prague and Riga as well.
Nothing is as ugly as a crowd of young Brits, pissed out of their tiny minds ...

Especially if there's a footie match...the British Football Hooligans are famous now...even more frightful than the German version

798 HoosierHoops  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 9:17:47am

Good afternoon Lizards..Life is sweet..Mama made breakfast and is gone for the day.. I get to watch college hoops all day.. ( the ND game is simply awesome) I got a cold pack of bud light chilled out.. We are going dancing tonight..
and i put a bid in on eBay for the Gaza Rooster..dead or alive
Hope all of you are well..what is our new topic?
/ I watched Tropic Thunder friday..That movie is funnier than heck..

799 Occasional Reader  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 9:18:35am

re: #770 JCM

He was first off, apparently from his position on the wing. What happen to women and children first?

Just doesn't work on a relatively small aircraft. You'd simply clog the aisles.

800 yma o hyd  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 9:18:56am

re: #766 winston06

BBC news reporting that Israel is going to declare ceasefire...

BBC, like all the other Western MFM, are desperately trying to pur Israel into a corner with these reports.
the cabinet is meeting tonight, for discussions and a decision - not to sign a cease fire.

The MFM are preparing the way for another round of 'Hate Israel' reporting, imho!

801 vxbush  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 9:19:08am

re: #788 winston06

A tip for Charles; Would you plz in a blog entry guide those of us who would like to buy Mac computers as to what's good and bad? What should a buyer expect? Thnx

Well, there are other Macophiles here. If you want to wait for Charles, you may, but what specifically were you thinking of?

802 realwest  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 9:19:33am

re: #786 BenZacharia
Try control panel - classic view, mouse device and
Mouse options - maybe something there that will help.

803 3 wood  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 9:19:42am

re: #782 realwest

Hey real, check your email pleasPr

804 Karagush  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 9:20:00am

re: #776 vxbush

zen master Dogen said that "each and every extraordinary human activity was simply having rice."

INteresting to ponder if you think that also the Lords Prayer also specifically states "give us this day our daily bread."

Ok now think about all it takes to get our food from seed to our table prepared and waiting for us to eat.
You know the mundane is simply extraordinary. I am not christian however That Hideous Strength is one of my very favorite books. As this election has gone on and as i see our culture changing i think of it often. Do you?

805 Occasional Reader  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 9:20:15am

re: #783 Shug

and ask them for the Veal and the inorganic chicken

I get veal all the time at Wholefoods... no big deal.

806 Shug  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 9:20:15am

There are two things I can't stand

1. People who are intolerant of other cultures
2. the Dutch

807 mdaspinall  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 9:20:43am

re: #751 Desert Dog

The problem with Americans is we are loud, very loud. The only people I have met louder than the Americans are Aussies. Sometimes our reputation for being "Ugly Americans" is deserved...sometimes not. When I lived in the UK in the 80's, I remember a taxi driver telling me that the Brits complain about the Yanks, but they all miss them when they stop coming over. Apparently, as bad as we are, we are still better than the Japanese, Chinese, Germans and French.

Yanks are great dude (From a Brit). The french are ...well ...French - says it all really... Germans ? Don't even go there mate.. Japs - sorted especially the pretty girls. Chinese. - married one so great, but she is definitely inscrutable... Jordyptians - oh dude, shakes head

And an update - the israelis are gonna unconditionally surrender ceasefire.. Without Hamas leaders wiped, without the rockets stopped, without Gilead Shalit. This is a sad sad day for democracy, Israel and all free nations.. Now I will have to listen to Nasrallah, Meshaal and Haniyeh, not to mention fuckin Dinner Jacket crowing over a victory AGAIN. zippy liverless and that crook Olmert should be up for crimes against humanity - OURS.. Buries head in despair...

808 yma o hyd  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 9:20:52am

re: #778 Walter L. Newton

I find the Germans to be the loudest.

You haven't met a crowd of thoroughly drunk Brits on holidays yet!

809 [deleted]  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 9:20:52am
810 JCM  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 9:20:59am

re: #792 Walter L. Newton

I suspect, (but I could be wrong), since that plane only has one aisle, that people were simply moved off the plane row by row, and there wasn't to much room to navigate certain people to the head of the line(s).

I would imagine an orderly evacuation was more important to the crew than the old "women and children first" mantra.

It's the fire firefighter in me.

811 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 9:21:02am

re: #800 yma o hyd

The MFM are preparing the way for another round of 'Hate Israel' reporting, imho!

Another round? Hasn't it been 24/7 since the beginning?

812 opnion  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 9:21:03am

re: #798 HoosierHoops

Good afternoon Lizards..Life is sweet..Mama made breakfast and is gone for the day.. I get to watch college hoops all day.. ( the ND game is simply awesome) I got a cold pack of bud light chilled out.. We are going dancing tonight..
and i put a bid in on eBay for the Gaza Rooster..dead or alive
Hope all of you are well..what is our new topic?
/ I watched Tropic Thunder friday..That movie is funnier than heck..


ND , now down 12!

813 JCM  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 9:21:25am

re: #805 Occasional Reader

I get veal all the time at Wholefoods... no big deal.

Free range veal?
;-)

814 Occasional Reader  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 9:21:29am

re: #806 Shug

There are two things I can't stand

1. People who are intolerant of other cultures
2. the Dutch

Beat me to it...

815 VegasRick  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 9:21:46am

re: #795 Killgore Trout

The doctor was being interviewed on tv when he was notified of the attack...



Fuck them!

816 winston06  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 9:22:17am

re: #801 vxbush

any thing good for a student who hates Mac?

817 vxbush  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 9:22:18am

re: #804 Karagush

zen master Dogen said that "each and every extraordinary human activity was simply having rice."

INteresting to ponder if you think that also the Lords Prayer also specifically states "give us this day our daily bread."

Ok now think about all it takes to get our food from seed to our table prepared and waiting for us to eat.
You know the mundane is simply extraordinary. I am not christian however That Hideous Strength is one of my very favorite books. As this election has gone on and as i see our culture changing i think of it often. Do you?

Oh, yes. I wrote in my journal/prayer book for quite a while last night, pondering the parallels between what was presented in that book and what may happen in the next four years. I actually wrote, "What will be the NICE of the US?" And then what did I see but the article I posted first today showing Daschle trying to emulate England's healthcare and its NICE! Freaked me out a bit, I must admit.

818 HoosierHoops  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 9:22:37am

re: #802 realwest

Try control panel - classic view, mouse device and
Mouse options - maybe something there that will help.

Do what I do..laugh if you will..There is no question that can't be answered by going to Help or Google it.. Period..
You need drivers for some obscure Video card in Windows 2000? Just google it.

819 Guanxi88  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 9:23:01am

re: #795 Killgore Trout

The doctor was being interviewed on tv when he was notified of the attack...

[Video]

Based on his comments, I'd like to offer the following observations:

1) The man is clearly grief-stricken and terrified. For pete's sake, he lost some kids;

2) He lives there, has family there still. He works with the Israelis, so he's suspect already to the HAMASSholes. Whatever he says, they're gonna hear, and there will be consequences.

3) If he's a real dyed-in-the wool jihadist, it's doubtful his contacts in Israel would have had the clout to arrange a medical evac for his wounded.

What I saw looked like a hostage tape made by a grieving father. He can't say what he wants to, b/c the SOB's using his house as a sniper's nest will just come back later and finish the job.

820 Occasional Reader  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 9:23:05am

re: #813 JCM

Free range veal?
;-)

It's dolphin-safe, at least.

I should add; I get it "all the time", when feeling extravagant... it ain't cheap.

Wholefoods is good for a laugh when it comes to their "you're saving the planet and proving your crunchy liberal values by shopping here" nonsense, but their meat, fish and produce are notably better than Giant or Safeway.

821 albusteve  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 9:23:11am

re: #815 VegasRick

Fuck them!

another loud American.../

822 DeafDog  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 9:23:34am

re: #768 Walter L. Newton


It's been a long time since I was there. I was one of the early backpackers who made the trek...had to stay in some of the filthiest youth hostels ever. I'd love to go back to see how they've done since.

823 BenZacharia  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 9:23:37am

TTFN,

Gotta make meat loaf

824 VegasRick  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 9:23:42am

re: #806 Shug

There are two things I can't stand

1. People who are intolerant of other cultures
2. the Dutch

Quakers.

825 3 wood  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 9:23:53am

FDIC, regulators shut down two banks

SAN FRANCISCO (MarketWatch) - The Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation and state regulators on Friday shut down banks in Illinois and Washington - the first bank failures of the year and the 26th and 27th since the start of the current credit crisis.
Berkeley, Ill.-based National Bank of Commerce was shut down and he FDIC said Republic Bank of Chicago will assume all of National Bank of Commerce's deposits. The two locations of National Bank of Commerce will reopen Saturday as branches of Republic Bank, the FDIC said.
The last Illinois bank to fail was Eldred-based Meridian Bank, in October, the FDIC said.
National Commerce Bank had total deposits of $402.1 million as of Jan. 7, and total assets of $430.9 million, the FDIC said.
Republic Bank has agreed to buy roughly $366.6 million in National Commerce Bank's assets at a discount of $44.9 million.
The FDIC estimated that the cost of National Commerce Bank's failure to the Deposit Insurance Fund will be $97.1 million.
Also on Friday, the Bank of Clark County, Vancouver, Wash. was shut down and the FDIC was named receiver. The FDIC said Umpqua Bank, based in Roseville, Ore., will assume the insured deposits.

The ripple effects keep cominPr

826 ciaospirit  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 9:23:55am

re: #772 DeafDog

Kind of ballsy on his part, I got to admit. He's relying on his followers' ignorance.

He's trying to rewrite history. Projecting the Founding Fathers as something they're not. With no challenge from the media. They are either ignorant or compliant in letting him get away with it. BHO may succeed because the masses really are ignorant about what the Founding Fathers actually did. He knows if he lies enough times, people will think it's the truth. I haven't forgotten that he said the Constitution is flawed. That's what he really believes. So in effect he has to get rid of the Founding Fathers by creating fictional ones.

827 Sharmuta  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 9:24:07am

Shug- you really crack me up.

828 opnion  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 9:24:15am

re: #818 HoosierHoops

Do what I do..laugh if you will..There is no question that can't be answered by going to Help or Google it.. Period..
You need drivers for some obscure Video card in Windows 2000? Just google it.


Notre Dame getting run out of the building. The Irish have to get under control.

829 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 9:24:25am

re: #808 yma o hyd

You haven't met a crowd of thoroughly drunk Brits on holidays yet!

No I haven't. Most of my European adventures has been France (6 times) versus the other places I have been in Western Europe and Eastern Europe, but I rarely even see a Brit in France.

When I am in Paris, I bed down and hang out in the non-tourist places and areas, so maybe that's why.

830 VegasRick  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 9:24:33am

re: #821 albusteve

another loud American.../

FUCK THEM, AGAIN!
/louder

831 rightymouse  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 9:24:47am

re: #802 realwest

Try control panel - classic view, mouse device and
Mouse options - maybe something there that will help.

You rang?

832 yma o hyd  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 9:25:12am

re: #811 Walter L. Newton

Another round? Hasn't it been 24/7 since the beginning?

True, dat.

An increase in hate, if thats possible ...

833 JCM  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 9:25:26am

re: #820 Occasional Reader

It's dolphin-safe, at least.

I should add; I get it "all the time", when feeling extravagant... it ain't cheap.

Wholefoods is good for a laugh when it comes to their "you're saving the planet and proving your crunchy liberal values by shopping here" nonsense, but their meat, fish and produce are notably better than Giant or Safeway.

We have a lot of food sensitivities in our house. Whole Foods is a good source for alternatives, and various "free of" stuff we need.

834 ciaospirit  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 9:25:39am

re: #784 kansas

So since global warming is bullshit, perhaps the economy is better than Obama will let on?

Can't get his policies in place unless the American people are scared to death.

835 shanec99  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 9:25:44am

re: #699 Occasional Reader

I completely agree. My only point is that we English-speakers are more easily lulled into thinking that they can travel the world and speak only English because... well... we more or less can. The Japanese, for instance, are under no such illusions about their own language.


That was not my experience, I lived close to Mount Fuji in a little town called Goetemba, driving to Tokyo, Yokosuka, or Yokohama on the Tomei Expressway was a pleasure. Courteous drivers, exits written in Kanji and English. It was easy.
Taking the subway around Tokyo was easy... the signs were in English and Kanji...
The Roppongi district was great... everyone spoke to you in English.
Around Edo, walking was a pleasure, signs in English and Japanese.
Around Ginza... well its kind of expensive... but you never needed a guide.
Lake Yamanaka... one of the 5 lakes around Mt Fuji... catered to honeymooners, restaurants had English and Japanese menus, and the smaller restaurants without English menus... had pictures with the entrees.
Where in Japan were you, certainly not within 150 KM of Tokyo.
Japan is a wonderful place to visit... or live, I loved it even though I was a Gaigin.
Japanese love conformity, dislike aggressive or forceful personalities and will ignore you and avert their eyes if you are rude. The Koreans call them racist, but I absolutely loved them.

836 x-wing  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 9:26:30am

re: #808 yma o hyd

You haven't met a crowd of thoroughly drunk Brits on holidays yet!

{raises hand} Does it count if you hung out with Drunk British G.I.'s in a Cantina in Germany?

/

837 Karagush  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 9:27:19am

re: #817 vxbush

Oh, yes. I wrote in my journal/prayer book for quite a while last night, pondering the parallels between what was presented in that book and what may happen in the next four years. I actually wrote, "What will be the NICE of the US?" And then what did I see but the article I posted first today showing Daschle trying to emulate England's healthcare and its NICE! Freaked me out a bit, I must admit.

its really starting to bother me. Also their attitudes about regular people. Medical expirimentation. The amorality of the decision makers and disdain for the concept of "sacred" and "profane."

But i did love when Merlin stepped in and created mayhem. I remember laughing uncontrollably.

Can you imagine if the same thing happened in the Senate?
There were many many many concepts that i found so salient for today, much like Atlas Shrugged, tho the writers were so different, they were in ways equally prescient.

838 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 9:28:04am

re: #833 JCM

We have a lot of food sensitivities in our house. Whole Foods is a good source for alternatives, and various "free of" stuff we need.

The only way I could afford Whole Foods is if the stuff was "free of" cost.

839 vxbush  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 9:28:09am

re: #816 winston06

any thing good for a student who hates Mac?

Heh. I think that said student only hates Mac because all he has ever seen is XP. More than that, I won't say. :D

Depending on the age of said student, and depending on whether said student is moving from an existing computer to a Mac, I would recommend either a Macbook laptop or the Mac mini. Here's why:

* Laptops are clearly becoming the dominate computing platform as portability is paramount in our day and age. More high schools and colleges are providing wireless in dorms and in buildings, so it makes a great deal of sense.
* Unless this student is going into computer science, physics, graphic design, or another seriously hard science, s/he probably isn't going to need the higher-powered Mac. The lower end machines will work just fine. I would suggest getting the maximum amount of RAM you can afford, though, as it will help the machine to work its best and last longer as upgrades come out for the operating system.
* The Mac mini is a great solution when you already have a monitor, a USB keyboard, and a USB mouse. It has a very small footprint and yet it provides a great little package for that size. We have several at work, and in those places where they are used, it works just fine.

Does that help?

840 yma o hyd  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 9:28:23am

re: #829 Walter L. Newton

No I haven't. Most of my European adventures has been France (6 times) versus the other places I have been in Western Europe and Eastern Europe, but I rarely even see a Brit in France.

When I am in Paris, I bed down and hang out in the non-tourist places and areas, so maybe that's why.

To be sure.

The Brits out for getting thorougly palstered are to be found in the cheap tourist resorts in Spain and Greece.
They are also infesting Prague and Riga becasue the beer is so cheap.

I loved being in Paris in the 'cheap' areas - wonderful walks, lovely little bistros, brilliant food!

841 3 wood  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 9:28:32am

Get set for tax-law whiplash
Tax perks to stimulate economy are coming your way, then come tax hikes

SAN FRANCISCO (MarketWatch) -- President-elect Barack Obama's most pressing challenge as he mans the helm of the supertanker known as the U.S. is to steer it to safer economic shores.

That's likely to mean new tax breaks for individuals and businesses -- at least for the next year or two -- as part of what's expected to be a multi-billion-dollar stimulus package that also includes expanded unemployment benefits, spending on infrastructure projects and aid to states.

But once the economy turns around, tax hikes are all but inevitable, some experts say. And those higher taxes may not be limited to high-income Americans.

In other words, Obama and the Dem's will try some short term tax cuts to get the economy rolling again, but then turn around and jack them up to stick it to "the wealthy" in order to appeal to their base before the next major election. %Pr

842 winston06  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 9:28:35am

re: #839 vxbush

thnx

843 DeafDog  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 9:28:36am

re: #784 kansas

So since global warming is bullshit, perhaps the economy is better than Obama will let on?


I think no one knows on the economy. Seriously. No one.

A financial meltdown like the one we just went through is rare. The global fiscal response is rarer still - moving rates to 0% as quickly as we did and pumping billions into the banks. We could bounce back relatively quick or we could flounder for years. Politically, if we bounce back, Obama will claim all credit. If we flounder, Bush will get all blame.

844 Occasional Reader  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 9:29:14am

re: #835 shanec99

Where in Japan were you, certainly not within 150 KM of Tokyo.

Um, you entirely missed my point: The Japanese are under no illusions about the ubiquity of their own language outside of Japan.

845 winston06  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 9:29:45am

re: #839 vxbush

i meant Windows? lol

846 albusteve  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 9:29:46am

re: #834 ciaospirit

Can't get his policies in place unless the American people are scared to death.

he's a scam artist...his flawed policies will fly through congress like poop through a goose...his golden forked tongued double speak will do all the lifting for him...shame on the droolers

847 HoosierHoops  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 9:29:49am

re: #812 opnion

ND , now down 12!

I know! I never liked ND.. I grew up on the west coast and Syracuse always had a mystic to me..I used to watch the Orange men as a kid on TV late at night and just thought those teams were so cool...
I don't like ND..
I like Stanford and Cal...I love UCLA and met a couple players a few years back at the final four here in Indy..
I like HoosierBall and really respect the direction IU has taken for the future..
Coach Crean is just outstanding.. I am very impressed with IU this year.
In a couple of years IU is going to be a real force in College Hoops..

848 realwest  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 9:29:54am

re: #803 3 wood
Hey my friend - I did and will respond sometime today!
Hey, what's with the "Pr" at the end of your comments here - all of your comments today?!

849 mdaspinall  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 9:30:09am

And an update - the israelis are gonna unconditionally surrender ceasefire.. Without Hamas leaders wiped, without the rockets stopped, without Gilead Shalit. This is a sad sad day for democracy, Israel and all free nations.. Now I will have to listen to Nasrallah, Meshaal and Haniyeh, not to mention fuckin Dinner Jacket crowing over a victory AGAIN. zippy liverless and that crook Olmert should be up for crimes against humanity - OURS.. Buries head in despair...

[Link: news.bbc.co.uk...]

850 AuntAcid  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 9:30:14am

Obama named gun salesman of the year.

(scroll down to bottom of page)

851 JCM  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 9:30:27am

re: #838 Walter L. Newton

The only way I could afford Whole Foods is if the stuff was "free of" cost.

We do most everything from scratch just because of that.

852 yma o hyd  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 9:30:40am

re: #836 x-wing

{raises hand} Does it count if you hung out with Drunk British G.I.'s in a Cantina in Germany?

/

Not really, teeheehee!
Those lads sure know how to enjoy their drinks - but they had a job to do, and some fierce sergeants on their cases next day!

Totally unlike the chavs who populate our town centres at the weekends and go to Magaluf just to have non-stop alcohol for a week ...

853 Karagush  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 9:31:02am

re: #838 Walter L. Newton

The only way I could afford Whole Foods is if the stuff was "free of" cost.

my sister calls whole foods "Whole Paycheck"

854 pbird  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 9:31:33am

re: #776 vxbush

You may be right. I just finished That Hideous Strength, as I said earlier, and I noted there the emphasis that Lewis put on normal household chores more than I had in the past. While these people were waiting for the "big event," thinking they were going to do some serious battle, it turns out that the management of the house, the daily chores, was just about all the ended up having to do.

This generates serious pondering for me.

My favorite Lewis book! I see more in it all the time. Its great and profound.

855 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 9:31:55am

re: #835 shanec99

Japanese love conformity, dislike aggressive or forceful personalities and will ignore you and avert their eyes if you are rude. The Koreans call them racist, but I absolutely loved them.

Until they travel, and then all of that goes out the window. Have you ever seen a group of Japanese tourists in Europe? They are single minded and very intent on have a good time, in spike of everyone else.

It doesn't really bother me, since I see it as cultural, but they tend to "break loose" when they are out of their society.

856 Occasional Reader  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 9:32:13am

re: #840 yma o hyd

The Brits out for getting thorougly palstered are to be found in the cheap tourist resorts in Spain and Greece.
They are also infesting Prague and Riga becasue the beer is so cheap.

I've never quite understood the idea of "let's spend hundreds or thousands on foreign travel, then spend all our time shitfaced". Seems to kind of grandly miss the point of travel.

857 Occasional Reader  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 9:33:05am

re: #838 Walter L. Newton

The only way I could afford Whole Foods is if the stuff was "free of" cost.

But Walter, you should feel good about paying their high prices, because you're saving the planet.

/

858 vxbush  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 9:33:37am

re: #837 Karagush

its really starting to bother me. Also their attitudes about regular people. Medical expirimentation. The amorality of the decision makers and disdain for the concept of "sacred" and "profane."

But i did love when Merlin stepped in and created mayhem. I remember laughing uncontrollably.

Can you imagine if the same thing happened in the Senate?
There were many many many concepts that i found so salient for today, much like Atlas Shrugged, tho the writers were so different, they were in ways equally prescient.

Egads! A Merlin for today? Tell me what language to learn now and I'll be ready! That would be a wonder to behold.

I have not read Atlas Shrugged--I know, I know, I need to do so. I only finally finished 1984 and Brave New World a few months ago. I've been on a kick to read the classics, so over Christmas I read Jane Austen. She also has a way of presenting regular life as something noteworthy--although always for the upper class, of course, never the servants underneath who do the work, for the most part.

859 opnion  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 9:34:10am

re: #826 ciaospirit

I heard the Obama radio interview on NPR when he made his comment about the Constitution. It was relayed on the Dennis Miller Show , from when Obama was a state senator.
He lamented that the Costitution did not enumerate government duties to citizens, such as 'Economic Justice."
I got the feelimg thet he thought that the Costitution should have been written by Marx & Engles.

860 vxbush  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 9:34:25am

re: #845 winston06

i meant Windows? lol

Ah! That's better. Whew!

861 yma o hyd  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 9:34:42am

re: #849 mdaspinall

Ypu cannot possibly believe what the BBC says!

The Israeli cabinet has not decided yet - and in view of this:
www.ynetnews.com...] target="_blank">Gilad Shalit's release will not be secured as part of any ceasefire agreement with Israel, a Hamas source told Ynet Saturday.
"The Gilad Shalit issue is not expected to be solved any time soon," he said, emphasizing that the price for the soldier (hundreds of released Palestinian prisoners), kidnapped two and a half years ago, has not changed. (Ali Waked)

I don't think the BBC has cause for 'rejoicing'!

862 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 9:34:44am

re: #840 yma o hyd

To be sure.

The Brits out for getting thorougly palstered are to be found in the cheap tourist resorts in Spain and Greece.
They are also infesting Prague and Riga becasue the beer is so cheap.

I loved being in Paris in the 'cheap' areas - wonderful walks, lovely little bistros, brilliant food!

Ok, you're making me "holiday sick." I always stay in the 12th, near the Marais area, wonderful place.

863 vxbush  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 9:35:13am

re: #847 HoosierHoops

I know! I never liked ND.. I grew up on the west coast and Syracuse always had a mystic to me..I used to watch the Orange men as a kid on TV late at night and just thought those teams were so cool...
I don't like ND..
I like Stanford and Cal...I love UCLA and met a couple players a few years back at the final four here in Indy..
I like HoosierBall and really respect the direction IU has taken for the future..
Coach Crean is just outstanding.. I am very impressed with IU this year.
In a couple of years IU is going to be a real force in College Hoops..

YES! So let it be written, so let it be done! My alma mater must be a force in basketball again.

864 realwest  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 9:35:13am

re: #831 rightymouse
LOL - Hi ya righty! No I (ME?!) was trying to help Ben with a Vista problem for #786 BenZacharia!
How are ya today?

865 DeafDog  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 9:35:17am

re: #856 Occasional Reader

I've never quite understood the idea of "let's spend hundreds or thousands on foreign travel, then spend all our time shitfaced". Seems to kind of grandly miss the point of travel.

I'm guilty.

When you're young and at a place where beer is 35 cents for a litre, you kinda feel like you're making money. :-)

866 Occasional Reader  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 9:35:37am

re: #859 opnion

He lamented that the Costitution did not enumerate government duties to citizens, such as 'Economic Justice."

Proving, of course, that this alleged "former Constitutional law professor" entirely missed the point of the Constitution.

867 3 wood  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 9:36:17am

Obama is about to get a big dose of reality:

MARKET SNAPSHOT
Market braces for inauguration and earnings

NEW YORK (MarketWatch) -- The inauguration of President-elect Barack Obama might be the only boost for Wall Street next week, as a deluge of what are expected to be mostly bad corporate results and fresh reports on the state of the housing market starts pouring in.
"The stock market is a forward-looking animal that tends to move about five months ahead of the real economy, but right now its actions don't bode well for a recovery until late in the year at best," said Robert Kavcic, market strategist at BMO Capital Markets.

On Tuesday a whole bunch of corporate earnings reports will be released, almost all of which are going to be bad news. I look for a significant sell off in the market. I'm sure the short sellers have their sell orders in place already for the opening bell. The President-elect will have to stop bad mouthing everything and actually start having some constructive answers ready.

Just blaming Bush for everything got him there. But effectively dealing with problems instead of grandstanding for the MSM is what will keep him there.

%Pr

868 pbird  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 9:36:23am

re: #797 Desert Dog

Especially if there's a footie match...the British Football Hooligans are famous now...even more frightful than the German version

Daughter and I were all over Europe this last summer during the soccer playoffs and I must say we saw many loud fellers! The Swedes are'nt pikers in the loud department. Spoiled college brats in Strausborg all night bellowed all night too.

869 opnion  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 9:36:55am

re: #847 HoosierHoops

Why, don't you like Notre Dame?

870 yma o hyd  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 9:36:59am

re: #856 Occasional Reader

I've never quite understood the idea of "let's spend hundreds or thousands on foreign travel, then spend all our time shitfaced". Seems to kind of grandly miss the point of travel.

Well - they don't spend thousands of quids on travel - a week in those ratholes, with cheapo flights, is no more than a couple of hunderd quid - well within reach of the normal state benefit recipient.
And booze there is cheaper than here, as are the cigarettes!

871 DeafDog  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 9:37:35am

re: #858 vxbush

I have not read Atlas Shrugged--

"The Fountainhead" is a better book, IMO. It's shorter, more readible, and has all the same ideas. You may want to consider tackling that one before 'Atlas.'

872 realwest  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 9:37:49am

re: #841 3 wood
GACK 3 wood - again, at the end of that comment of yours was "%Pr" - what the hell is that?!

873 AuntAcid  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 9:37:58am

In other words, Obama and the Dem's will try some short term tax cuts to get the economy rolling again, but then turn around and jack them up to stick it to "the wealthy" in order to appeal to their base before the next major election.

"First they came for the wealthy..."

874 ciaospirit  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 9:38:42am

re: #866 Occasional Reader

Proving, of course, that this alleged "former Constitutional law professor" entirely missed the point of the Constitution.

Purposely misses it. Yet shamelessly invokes those great men and distorts their greatness. How I loathe BHO.

875 Occasional Reader  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 9:38:56am

re: #872 realwest

GACK 3 wood - again, at the end of that comment of yours was "%Pr" - what the hell is that?!

The first rule of %Pr; don't talk about %Pr.

876 nyc redneck  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 9:39:26am

re: #727 sattv4u2

I like to drive my liberal freinds nuts. I tell them that if the Polar Bears DO become extinct, it'll mean a HUGE upswing in the Seal/ Walrus/ Caribou population!

i tell my liberal friends this fact:
that 99 % of all species that ever existed on earth are now extinct.
(most extinctions having occurred before evil humans even walked the earth).

877 3 wood  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 9:39:41am

re: #848 realwest

Hey, what's with the "Pr" at the end of your comments here - all of your comments today?!

My new computer does that automatically for some reason. I'm experimenting trying to eliminate it.
%Pr

878 yma o hyd  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 9:39:46am

re: #862 Walter L. Newton

Ok, you're making me "holiday sick." I always stay in the 12th, near the Marais area, wonderful place.

We were north of the Grand Boulevards. Lots and lots of walking - and for once, the museums, especially Musee D'Orsay, and the prehistoric one in Germain-du-Pres (I think).

It was a lovely week ...

879 vxbush  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 9:39:46am

re: #871 DeafDog

"The Fountainhead" is a better book, IMO. It's shorter, more readible, and has all the same ideas. You may want to consider tackling that one before 'Atlas.'

I think I will wait and read those this summer, when the bright sunshine will lift my mood enough that I will be able to read it and give it proper due.

880 Karagush  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 9:39:48am

re: #858 vxbush

Egads! A Merlin for today? Tell me what language to learn now and I'll be ready! That would be a wonder to behold.

I have not read Atlas Shrugged--I know, I know, I need to do so. I only finally finished 1984 and Brave New World a few months ago. I've been on a kick to read the classics, so over Christmas I read Jane Austen. She also has a way of presenting regular life as something noteworthy--although always for the upper class, of course, never the servants underneath who do the work, for the most part.

AS is a wonderful book in that it is really three books in one. The first is a sort of love story, setting things up but not mushy, the second part is a mystery, and the third part is an adventure! its a story that i loved even as a 14 year old and by the time i was 19 i had much of it memorized.

Some people think That Hideous Strength is preachy. I imagine the same people would Find Atlas Shrugs preachy too. But if you liked THS. I think you will enjoy AS. JUst one is christian and one is atheist. Both ar spiritual and about morality. in many way i do not find them in conflict because they are also both about the absolute morality of freedom for the human spirit and how Liberalisim preaches freedom, but is certainly in practice anything but free.

881 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 9:40:27am

BBIAW - Just got a phone call, my best friend is coming by, got to freshen up, still got bed head.

I am excepting gifts of plane tickets to France. I will deliver any message you need, in person, to the Frenchman of your choice. Heck, this could be a profitable business idea.

882 vxbush  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 9:40:49am

re: #877 3 wood

My new computer does that automatically for some reason. I'm experimenting trying to eliminate it.
%Pr

Is it adding a newline at the end of your text? And which browser are you using?

883 pbird  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 9:41:45am

re: #817 vxbush

Oh, yes. I wrote in my journal/prayer book for quite a while last night, pondering the parallels between what was presented in that book and what may happen in the next four years. I actually wrote, "What will be the NICE of the US?" And then what did I see but the article I posted first today showing Daschle trying to emulate England's healthcare and its NICE! Freaked me out a bit, I must admit.

I've noticed the NICE too and thought they couldn't being doing that all unaware could they?

884 ciaospirit  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 9:42:12am

re: #876 nyc redneck

i tell my liberal friends this fact:
that 99 % of all species that ever existed on earth are now extinct.
(most extinctions having occurred before evil humans even walked the earth).

Stop giving me facts! I'm putting my hands over my ears. lalalalalalalala

885 vxbush  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 9:42:47am

re: #880 Karagush

AS is a wonderful book in that it is really three books in one. The first is a sort of love story, setting things up but not mushy, the second part is a mystery, and the third part is an adventure! its a story that i loved even as a 14 year old and by the time i was 19 i had much of it memorized.

Some people think That Hideous Strength is preachy. I imagine the same people would Find Atlas Shrugs preachy too. But if you liked THS. I think you will enjoy AS. JUst one is christian and one is atheist. Both ar spiritual and about morality. in many way i do not find them in conflict because they are also both about the absolute morality of freedom for the human spirit and how Liberalisim preaches freedom, but is certainly in practice anything but free.

I've heard so much about both Fountainhead and AS that I feel like I know a good bit of the story already. But it always makes a better impact when you read it yourself, of course.

886 realwest  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 9:42:49am

re: #877 3 wood
Lemme guess - you got a Mac right? RIGHT?!
LOL!
Well there are lots of Mac users out here, maybe someone can help you with that - or maybe wherever you bought it can help!

887 HoosierHoops  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 9:42:59am

re: #869 opnion

Why, don't you like Notre Dame?

Oh..I don't really hate them..I respect them. It's always fun in sports to have your favorites.. the good guys..the bad guys..It's all in fun..
I was adopted into a Cathlic family..I was an Alter boy.My Aunt is a Nun.
I begged my Dad on Bending knees with real tears in my eyes to a very strick man.
He allowed me to go to public High School..It's a long story..But I really love my dad.
/I was sure he was going to say no

888 albusteve  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 9:43:26am

re: #874 ciaospirit

Purposely misses it. Yet shamelessly invokes those great men and distorts their greatness. How I loathe BHO.

the hated MSM is the other half of the scam...what a perfect marriage...I hate it all with a passion

889 vxbush  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 9:44:24am

re: #883 pbird

I've noticed the NICE too and thought they couldn't being doing that all unaware could they?

I don't know. There are things you would think that people growing up in the US would have to know, and then you realize they aren't teaching those things in school anymore. I think with the huge literary history of England, they must struggle to choose which masters to include in the reading. I bet Lewis gets the short end of the stick because of his Christianity.

890 realwest  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 9:45:03am

re: #877 3 wood
Hey my friend - go over to the next thread and explain the situation - most of the geeks are over there now anyway!

891 3 wood  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 9:45:44am

re: #882 vxbush

Is it adding a newline at the end of your text? And which browser are you using?

It adds either %P or Pr at the end of each message by itself.

I got a new Apple and am using Firefox
%Pr

892 DeafDog  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 9:46:20am

re: #869 opnion

Why, don't you like Notre Dame?

Notre Dame Sports is similar to the NY Yankees.

893 vxbush  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 9:46:31am

re: #891 3 wood

It adds either %P or Pr at the end of each message by itself.

I got a new Apple and am using Firefox
%Pr

Oh, how odd! Latest version of FF? Which OS is installed? (Go to the Apple logo in the corner and click "about this Mac" to find out.)

894 realwest  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 9:46:52am

re: #891 3 wood ROFL! Hey, try to delete that manually and see if you can!

895 3 wood  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 9:48:24am

It says Mac OS X
Version 10.5Pr

896 3 wood  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 9:48:50am

re: #895 3 wood

make that version 10.5.6

%Pr

897 Karagush  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 9:48:52am

re: #889 vxbush

I don't know. There are things you would think that people growing up in the US would have to know, and then you realize they aren't teaching those things in school anymore. I think with the huge literary history of England, they must struggle to choose which masters to include in the reading. I bet Lewis gets the short end of the stick because of his Christianity.

hes he absolutely does. Unless you are going to a catholic school you will only hear passing mention of the lion the witch and the wardrobe and THAT IS ALL. You know his Screwtape Letters are absolutely hilarious and useful if you want to give it to a teen and show them how and why people go bad. And also how to go good if you want to.

My ex was only ever as good as his friends, and when he went to work in Hollywood i watched him change and thought of the Screwtape Letters quite alot.

As a university professor Lewis had a great deal of experience observing young humans and the whole atmosphere of Academia. Did you know he and Tolkien were great friends?

898 vxbush  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 9:49:30am

re: #895 3 wood

It says Mac OS X
Version 10.5Pr

Ah, I'm guessing you haven't run Software Update yet, then. It should say something like 10.5.5 or 10.5.6.

Go to the Apple menu, and choose Software Update. You'll probably have a bunch of updates to install.

899 vxbush  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 9:49:47am

re: #896 3 wood

make that version 10.5.6

%Pr

Oh. Okay, never mind my last post.

Now: which version of Firefox is this?

900 realwest  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 9:49:49am

re: #895 3 wood
Sure hope vxbush (waives at {vxbush}) can help ya.
This is your first Apple, right?

901 3 wood  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 9:50:40am

re: #894 realwest

re: #891 3 wood ROFL! Hey, try to delete that manually and see if you can!

I've tried and it's no go.

I've even tried backspacing and deleting the last couple of spaces and it's no go.

Best I can do right now is just hit enter a couple times to get the mysterious symbols away from my real message.


%Pr

902 vxbush  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 9:51:04am

re: #897 Karagush

hes he absolutely does. Unless you are going to a catholic school you will only hear passing mention of the lion the witch and the wardrobe and THAT IS ALL. You know his Screwtape Letters are absolutely hilarious and useful if you want to give it to a teen and show them how and why people go bad. And also how to go good if you want to.

My ex was only ever as good as his friends, and when he went to work in Hollywood i watched him change and thought of the Screwtape Letters quite alot.

As a university professor Lewis had a great deal of experience observing young humans and the whole atmosphere of Academia. Did you know he and Tolkien were great friends?

Yes, and he gives credit to Tolkien for the references to Numinor in THS. They were in the Inklings together and read each other's manuscripts. Oh, to be a fly on the wall during those discussions! Such great minds and great thoughts lost.

903 3 wood  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 9:51:31am

re: #899 vxbush

Now: which version of Firefox is this?

How do I tell?

%Pr

904 vxbush  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 9:52:38am

re: #903 3 wood

How do I tell?

%Pr

Click Firefox > About Mozilla Firefox. Should be something like 3.0.5 (latest, I believe).

905 3 wood  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 9:53:08am

re: #900 realwest

This is your first Apple, right?

Yes

%Pr

906 vxbush  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 9:54:03am

re: #905 3 wood

Yes

%Pr

FYI: My guess is that it's a problem with the Firefox installation. You can go here to talk to a live support person (in theory, they also work weekends).

Does it also happen if you try to use Safari? I use Safari 3.2.1 with LGF and it works fine.

907 3 wood  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 9:54:12am

Firefox 3.0.5


%Pr

908 vxbush  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 9:54:34am

re: #906 vxbush

FYI: My guess is that it's a problem with the Firefox installation. You can go here to talk to a live support person (in theory, they also work weekends).

Does it also happen if you try to use Safari? I use Safari 3.2.1 with LGF and it works fine.

Oh, bother. They are closed for live chat. Hurrumph.

909 3 wood  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 9:55:41am

re: #906 vxbush

Does it also happen if you try to use Safari? I use Safari 3.2.1 with LGF and it works fine.

Don't know yet.

I have to go to lunch but will try it with Safari later.

Thank you for the help
%Pr

910 realwest  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 9:56:06am

re: #905 3 wood
Well ya know I'd help you if I could, but I have NO experience with Apple and little experience with Firefox.
%Pr
.
.
.
.
Just added that to make you feel better!

911 buzzdroid  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 9:56:39am

obama speaking in delaware now. (sky news)

912 buzzdroid  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 9:57:28am

re: #718 DeafDog

And Obama going to Washingtong is like Caesar entering Rome.

Here comes the moonbat army...

oh boy - the next 4 years are going to be interesting to say the least...

913 Karagush  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 10:05:46am

re: #902 vxbush

Yes, and he gives credit to Tolkien for the references to Numinor in THS. They were in the Inklings together and read each other's manuscripts. Oh, to be a fly on the wall during those discussions! Such great minds and great thoughts lost.

now those are great men i wish i could have had classes with! Can you imagine the opportunity to be mentored by such minds, instead of the small weird people we have teaching in university today?

(Sigh)

914 _RememberTonyC  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 10:08:44am

re: #465 lawhawk

I think the Israeli public has had its fill of hudnas and wants to finish Hamas off. They'll go with whoever they think will have the stones to finish them off. Israelis were in disagreement over the Gaza disengagement, but now are virtually united in a need to finish Hamas off once and for all. Hamas started this war, but Israel will finish it; and Israel must tell the world to piss off given that none would ever tolerate the incessant rocket attacks that Israel has endured for years on end without seeking to destroy Hamas years ago. Israel's restraint has worked against it, Hamas saw it as weakness and exploited that situation. Combined with the incessant anti-Israel media drumbeat, Israel has been on the defensive, even though no other country would dare tolerate years of war and terrorism against it as Israel has.

So, when you hear about Syria lecturing on human rights abuses, I laugh and snort Hama rules!

When I hear that the Arabs are meeting to discuss their strategery against Israel and see that they've invited Sudan's leaders to attend, I think of the Darfur genocide and why none of those Arab states have raised a finger or a voice to demand the Khartoum regime stop, let alone demand war crimes trials for the same.

I could go on, but you get the point. Everything done in the Middle East is a double standard. Israel must adhere to an impossibly high standard, and Hamas has no culpability. The diplomats push this meme and ignore Hamas violations, since it would interfere with their plans for a Nobel Prize or other accolades. Human rights groups focus on Israel and ignore Hamas war crimes. Hamas gets mentioned only in passing as starting this war (if they ever bother to mention Hamas at all). The media is at fault for this mess by refusing to report objectively - and they have taken sides. Calling Livni a terrorist is not the sign of objectivity. It's the sign of mental illness and moral bankruptcy.

excellent post ... the arabs will never tolerate peace with Israel. The Israelis with the will to survive will try, but not get their hopes up. islam is the problem and I don't see it going away anytime soon. Better to be unpopular and alive, than accepted by your enemies at your own funeral.

915 Lincolntf  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 10:11:51am

re: #849 mdaspinall

Yeah. Any spin coming out of the Israeli Government that claims this Gaza operation was a success will be "lipstick on a pig". Failure to achieve the eradication of Hamas is understandable, considering the massive casualties that would inevitably result, allowing the resumption of smuggling into Gaza from Egypt (I refuse to buy any nonsense about international forces maintaining the border, it won't work for a single day) is perhaps an inevitable reality of being surrounded by enemies, but the failure to recover Gilad Shalit is simply a matter of Hamas forcing their will on to Israel. Totally unacceptable.

916 vxbush  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 10:16:04am

re: #913 Karagush

now those are great men i wish i could have had classes with! Can you imagine the opportunity to be mentored by such minds, instead of the small weird people we have teaching in university today?

(Sigh)

It would have been tough, I'm sure. I'm not sure I would have been able to meet their expectations.

917 Karagush  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 10:22:22am

re: #916 vxbush

It would have been tough, I'm sure. I'm not sure I would have been able to meet their expectations.

yeah but i sure would have liked the chance to try. I hear Lewis was a very tough prof. But you know, the steel needs be be forged in the heat to burn off the dross. I was raised by a man who was a DI before he was a Uni Prof. LOL I tease my marine that he just works for gunny, i LIVED with him. YOu know what? He was horribly tough.
But he sure could forge steel and I have never forgotten what he taught, both morally and in terms of classtime. Its like his ghost is behind me always, and in a bad situation, that voice is there pushing me onto the right path. Even when its hard, or the subject is confusing.

918 vxbush  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 10:24:53am

re: #917 Karagush

yeah but i sure would have liked the chance to try. I hear Lewis was a very tough prof. But you know, the steel needs be be forged in the heat to burn off the dross. I was raised by a man who was a DI before he was a Uni Prof. LOL I tease my marine that he just works for gunny, i LIVED with him. YOu know what? He was horribly tough.
But he sure could forge steel and I have never forgotten what he taught, both morally and in terms of classtime. Its like his ghost is behind me always, and in a bad situation, that voice is there pushing me onto the right path. Even when its hard, or the subject is confusing.

That is a blessing, then. I had no one to push me, but I often pushed myself. I was just wired that way. But I always had a harder time in English Lit classes. At that time, I wasn't interested in the subject at all. We didn't read anything that interested me. So it would have been hard.

But yes, "iron sharpens iron." It would have been a great learning experience.

919 Karagush  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 10:34:53am

re: #918 vxbush

That is a blessing, then. I had no one to push me, but I often pushed myself. I was just wired that way. But I always had a harder time in English Lit classes. At that time, I wasn't interested in the subject at all. We didn't read anything that interested me. So it would have been hard.

But yes, "iron sharpens iron." It would have been a great learning experience.

i really believe that the right mentor can really make a man...or woman. I am saddend that the teachers and profs of today seem to deconstruct people and leave them confused and unable to make good rational decisions.
I am sure those two men (Lewis, Tolkien) taught students how to THINK. And i am sure they were hard on student who couldnt already think when they hit their classes. But that was a different era, when people were expected to have discipline, and be able to use reason and logic and be able to Think things througfh and come to conclusions based on facts.
The disturbing trend nowadays for me is people in languiage departments who let words be manipulated, spun and used to mean whatever you want them to mean.
OOO!
how can we comunicate? I do wonder if the scene in THS, when Merlin takes the power of speech from those people didnt have something to do with that trend, even then. Lewis was deep that way.
I think lewis would wipe the floor with the Lit profs of today. I really would love to see him and Tolkien get to speak with the "academics" so respected nowadays.
I think it would be hilarious and highly instructive.

920 vxbush  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 10:37:51am

re: #919 Karagush

i really believe that the right mentor can really make a man...or woman. I am saddend that the teachers and profs of today seem to deconstruct people and leave them confused and unable to make good rational decisions.
I am sure those two men (Lewis, Tolkien) taught students how to THINK. And i am sure they were hard on student who couldnt already think when they hit their classes. But that was a different era, when people were expected to have discipline, and be able to use reason and logic and be able to Think things througfh and come to conclusions based on facts.
The disturbing trend nowadays for me is people in languiage departments who let words be manipulated, spun and used to mean whatever you want them to mean.
OOO!
how can we comunicate? I do wonder if the scene in THS, when Merlin takes the power of speech from those people didnt have something to do with that trend, even then. Lewis was deep that way.
I think lewis would wipe the floor with the Lit profs of today. I really would love to see him and Tolkien get to speak with the "academics" so respected nowadays.
I think it would be hilarious and highly instructive.

Just look at the dialog he uses for the deputy director. Always talking, and yet in the end never saying anything substantial. I hear a lot of Obama in his speeches sounding exactly like this. Lots of caveats, lots of wiggle room, etc. Never a plain speech. That tells me, right then and there, that Lewis was copying someone he knew, or someone he heard enough of to mimic. So yes, Merlin's Babel curse was appropriate.

Moving upthread...nice conversation. Thanks.


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