Video: Hudson Crash from Coast Guard Camera

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Posted last night in our spinoff links by “freedomplow,” here’s a Coast Guard video that shows the US Airways Hudson River crash and the immediate rescue efforts; the plane appears at the left side of the image at about 2:00. The passengers really got out fast; by the time the camera operator saw the crash and zoomed in—30 seconds to a minute—they were already exiting and standing on the wings.

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I couldn’t help wondering if any of the passengers tried to use their seat cushions as “floatation” devices.

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1 Shug  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 10:30:26am

I nominate Sully for lizard of the month

2 WhiteRasta  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 10:30:26am

An amazing feat of airmanship.....

3 blangwort  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 10:31:46am

This is a text book case of where despite a bad problem, everything else went as well as it could have. I hope this incident is studied by airline pilots for generations to come.

4 goddessoftheclassroom  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 10:32:35am

One of the most moving items about this story is the pilot's walking through the plane twice before exiting himself.

5 Sharmuta  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 10:34:10am

Wow

6 sattv4u2  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 10:34:23am

re: #4 goddessoftheclassroom

One of the most moving items about this story is the pilot's walking through the plane twice before exiting himself.

And one of the most revolting is an FAA official yesterday stating that the crew had undergone drug screening!

I'm sure it's SOP, but IF they were on anything, it should be mandatory for ALL flight/ airline personell

7 Shug  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 10:34:53am

After the United Airlines DC10 landed at Siuox City I think they tried to recreate the scenario in the simulator and nobody was ever able to pilot that plane to any sort of survivable landing.

I'd be interested to see what happens when they plug this scenario into the simulators.

My guess is that this was another 1 in a million landing, thanks to a brilliant pilot, a lot of training and a little good luck

8 MandyManners  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 10:35:03am

It will not play either here or on the LiveLeak site. When I click on the arrow, the arrow disappears and the picture lightens up but the arrow reappears after a few seconds.

9 Taqyia2Me  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 10:35:06am

I still can't figure out how Sully did it, but he did!

10 WhiteRasta  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 10:35:37am

re: #4 goddessoftheclassroom

Yes. A real man. A real life Captain, last one off the ship.

Not like a certain Senator who abandons his passengers to drown...

11 MandyManners  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 10:36:08am

This is very frustrating.

12 jcm  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 10:36:16am

Sully would look you in the eye and say, he was just doing his job, what he was trained for.

Which is why we still put people in the cockpit. A computer might be able to handle 99% of the job. But it's that 1% like this that make the pilots invaluable.

13 sattv4u2  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 10:36:25am

re: #9 Taqyia2Me

I still can't figure out how Sully did it, but he did!

training,,, experience,, I know the real things not the same as a flight simulator, but he (and all commercial pilots) have run these things thru their head thousands of times

14 Sharmuta  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 10:37:00am

re: #11 MandyManners

This is very frustrating.

I know the feeling.

15 MandyManners  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 10:37:01am

Dagnabit and confoundit.

16 WhiteRasta  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 10:37:16am

re: #7 Shug

Pilots do actually practice ditching in the simulator....

17 goddessoftheclassroom  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 10:37:18am

re: #8 MandyManners

It will not play either here or on the LiveLeak site. When I click on the arrow, the arrow disappears and the picture lightens up but the arrow reappears after a few seconds.

This is Powerline's link to YouTube.

18 sattv4u2  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 10:37:25am

re: #15 MandyManners

Dagnabit and confoundit.

try re-bootin the ole puter !

19 Sharmuta  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 10:37:30am

{Mandy} This is what gazacam feels like for some of us.

20 MandyManners  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 10:37:34am

re: #14 Sharmuta

Have you figured out the problem yet?

21 MandyManners  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 10:37:53am

Gonna' reboot. bbl

22 jcm  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 10:37:54am

re: #9 Taqyia2Me

I still can't figure out how Sully did it, but he did!

Sully is glider rated. TEM (Terminal Energy Management) managing the inertial energy of a falling airplane, so that the energy bleeds off at the same moment the plane touches down comes naturally. Shuttle pilots to it all the time also.

23 Jetpilot1101  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 10:38:19am

re: #16 WhiteRasta

Pilots do actually practice ditching in the simulator....

We actually practice ditching while flying as well; usually with a hard deck of around 1000 to 2000 feet.

24 the_flying_pig  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 10:39:30am

I couldn’t help wondering if any of the passengers tried to use their seat cushions as “floatation” devices.

That would be a very good point if the water is not that freezing cold to float on, Charles! But still a good point, though.

25 goddessoftheclassroom  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 10:39:53am

re: #22 jcm

Sully is glider rated. TEM (Terminal Energy Management) managing the inertial energy of a falling airplane, so that the energy bleeds off at the same moment the plane touches down comes naturally. Shuttle pilots to it all the time also.

Oh, so it wasn't really any big deal...
/SARC to the max!

26 jcm  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 10:40:24am

re: #23 Jetpilot1101

We actually practice ditching while flying as well; usually with a hard deck of around 1000 to 2000 feet.

Chickens! Afraid to get wet?
/ ;-)

27 Shug  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 10:40:35am

Northwest airlines would have charged the passengers a 15 dollar Life jacket fee before allowing them to depart the aircraft

28 blangwort  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 10:40:55am

re: #6 sattv4u2

And one of the most revolting is an FAA official yesterday stating that the crew had undergone drug screening!

I'm sure it's SOP, but IF they were on anything, it should be mandatory for ALL flight/ airline personell

In fairness, the FAA is doing their job. I don't think anyone has a bad thing to say about what the flight crew managed to do. But nevertheless, we need to learn everything we can about crew performance. If they were on anything it may change the FAA's perspective on the drugs used by the flight crew. The FAA's view of what is bad for a flight crew is extremely restrictive. It might not need to be that way.

Oh, and one other thing: what older pilots seem to lack in dexterity, they more than make up for in judgment. Among private pilots there is a research project going on right now for performance and medical standards for Octogenarians!

I wouldn't hesitate to get on board with Captain "Sulley" if he feels well enough to fly.

29 Nevergiveup  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 10:41:15am

re: #27 Shug

Northwest airlines would have charged the passengers a 15 dollar Life jacket fee before allowing them to depart the aircraft

Ain't a big fan of NW?

30 notutopia  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 10:41:15am

Neil Cavuto interviewed a crash survivor on Fox. It's in the vid taped archives.
The young man stated that ALL the passengers were calm, had removed their seat flotation devices and began to dis board the airbus in mere minutes.
Watch the vid. It is quite moving.... He was in a seat
at the back of the plane and threw all the spare life cushions up to the exit doors, and thus was the last passenger to exit the plane and enter a life raft.
He was Followed by the Captain and the Navigator.

31 WhiteRasta  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 10:41:20am

re: #23 Jetpilot1101

You one of them carrier pilots?

32 Wishing  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 10:41:39am

I think I heard oin the radio that Nancy Grace is talking about suing Sully? What a moonbat idiot.

33 jaunte  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 10:42:11am

re: #32 Wishing

Why would she sue him?

34 realwest  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 10:42:29am

Just a wonderful example of both the pilot and co-pilot (and the whole aircrew)'s skill and the speed with which those boats got there and the skill they showed in rescuing everyone!

35 Shug  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 10:42:37am

re: #33 jaunte

Why would she sue him?

For killing two birds ?

36 mean Gene  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 10:42:56am

What a cool video.
I am so glad it turned out like it did, but it sure didn't have to.
I don't know if I could have watched it if I'd learned that some proportion were killed in the event.

37 vxbush  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 10:43:05am

re: #28 blangwort

In fairness, the FAA is doing their job. I don't think anyone has a bad thing to say about what the flight crew managed to do. But nevertheless, we need to learn everything we can about crew performance. If they were on anything it may change the FAA's perspective on the drugs used by the flight crew. The FAA's view of what is bad for a flight crew is extremely restrictive. It might not need to be that way.

Oh, and one other thing: what older pilots seem to lack in dexterity, they more than make up for in judgment. Among private pilots there is a research project going on right now for performance and medical standards for Octogenarians!

I wouldn't hesitate to get on board with Captain "Sulley" if he feels well enough to fly.

My uncle was a commercial pilot until he was forced to retire at 60. He ended up training pilots and really missed it. But his knowledge he was able to pass on to others.

38 jaunte  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 10:43:06am

Nice work by the ferry captain, too.

39 DeafDog  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 10:43:15am

re: #1 Shug

I nominate Sully for lizard of the month

US Airways should have a commercial in the works featuring Sully.

The new US Airways slogan: "Fly US Airways. Our pilots will save your life."

That would be worth $20 a ticket.

40 sattv4u2  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 10:43:18am

re: #32 Wishing

I think I heard oin the radio that Nancy Grace is talking about suing Sully? What a moonbat idiot.

I was going to sue Nancy Grace, but the lawyer in my family told me it's not a crime to be loud, stupid, smug and ignorant

41 Jetpilot1101  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 10:43:21am

re: #26 jcm

Chickens! Afraid to get wet?
/ ;-)

I think my boss would be less than thrilled if I ditched his 20 million dollar aircraft just to see if I could do it.

In all seriousness, what Sully did was pretty amazing. As pilots we do practice the maneuver in flight and in the sim but very few actually ditch and even fewer ditch in a controlled manner especially with a 162,000 aircraft loaded with fuel and people.

42 Nevergiveup  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 10:43:42am

re: #35 Shug

For killing two birds ?

You got a body?

43 jcm  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 10:43:50am

re: #6 sattv4u2

And one of the most revolting is an FAA official yesterday stating that the crew had undergone drug screening!

I'm sure it's SOP, but IF they were on anything, it should be mandatory for ALL flight/ airline personell

SOP for any incident. An incident can be brushing a wing against some ground equipment.

44 gclaghorn  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 10:44:24am

I'm not a big Leno fan, but one of his jokes a couple of nights ago was, "US Airways: when you can't decide between a flight or a cruise."

45 BenZacharia  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 10:44:34am

Stil had some maroons grabbin' for their luggage, idgits. sheeesh!

46 sattv4u2  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 10:44:34am

re: #43 jcm

SOP for any incident. An incident can be brushing a wing against some ground equipment.

I think what annoyed me was seeing her in front of cameras SAYING it! To what purpose !?!?!?!?

47 notutopia  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 10:44:35am

re: #41 Jetpilot1101

I think my boss would be less than thrilled if I ditched his 20 million dollar aircraft just to see if I could do it.

In all seriousness, what Sully did was pretty amazing. As pilots we do practice the maneuver in flight and in the sim but very few actually ditch and even fewer ditch in a controlled manner especially with a 162,000 aircraft loaded with fuel and people.

It was AWESOMELY amazing!

48 Jetpilot1101  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 10:44:48am

re: #31 WhiteRasta

You one of them carrier pilots?

Nope, trained by the navy but I stick to land based airfields.

49 jcm  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 10:44:54am

re: #41 Jetpilot1101

I think my boss would be less than thrilled if I ditched his 20 million dollar aircraft just to see if I could do it.

In all seriousness, what Sully did was pretty amazing. As pilots we do practice the maneuver in flight and in the sim but very few actually ditch and even fewer ditch in a controlled manner especially with a 162,000 aircraft loaded with fuel and people.

LOL! Pull it out and dry it off, yeesh.... ;-)

Absolutely, that was an outstanding piece of flying.

50 rightymouse  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 10:45:22am

This was amazing. From the landing to the rescue. Most excellent.

Not sure if folks know this, but boaters have an extraordinary code of ethics when it comes to helping other people in distress on water.

51 Shug  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 10:45:40am

re: #41 Jetpilot1101

I think my boss would be less than thrilled if I ditched his 20 million dollar aircraft just to see if I could do it.

In all seriousness, what Sully did was pretty amazing. As pilots we do practice the maneuver in flight and in the sim but very few actually ditch and even fewer ditch in a controlled manner especially with a 162,000 aircraft loaded with fuel and people.


Do you think it would have been different if they were departing for Los angeles or Vegas etc instead of charlotte.
Is there a lot less fuel and therefore weight on those relatively shorter flights?

52 blangwort  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 10:45:56am

re: #32 Wishing

I think I heard oin the radio that Nancy Grace is talking about suing Sully? What a moonbat idiot.

If that's true, she ought to be charged with abuse of the legal system. This is utter lunacy.

53 jcm  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 10:46:12am

re: #46 sattv4u2

I think what annoyed me was seeing her in front of cameras SAYING it! To what purpose !?!?!?!?

You'd think a little tact would be in order, she was probably ready from a prepared incident script.

54 Elcid  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 10:46:13am

Many hero's...The passengers acting as A TEAM, the boat captains and crews, most of all, that fantastic airline pilot.

55 ciaospirit  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 10:46:18am

Anyone know how the plane stayed afloat? Or is that a dumb question?

56 WhiteRasta  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 10:46:34am

Who is Nancy Grace?

57 Nevergiveup  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 10:46:34am

re: #50 rightymouse

This was amazing. From the landing to the rescue. Most excellent.

Not sure if folks know this, but boaters have an extraordinary code of ethics when it comes to helping other people in distress on water.

Somebody forgot to tell that to the German U-Boat Captains?

58 BenZacharia  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 10:46:49am

They need to be investigating the "bird crew" at the airport. They missed a flock of Canadas?

"Dude give me hit of that will ya?"

59 Ay, Caramba  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 10:47:01am

The EPA will probably fine the airline for dumping in the Hudson.

60 gclaghorn  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 10:47:16am

re: #55 ciaospirit

Anyone know how the plane stayed afloat? Or is that a dumb question?

They "moored" it to something, and they are pulling it out of the water in about 15 mins.

61 sattv4u2  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 10:47:34am

re: #51 Shug

Do you think it would have been different if they were departing for Los angeles or Vegas etc instead of charlotte.
Is there a lot less fuel and therefore weight on those relatively shorter flights?

it stayed bouyant longer because the wings weren't filled with fuel, as they would have been for longer flights. NYC to Charlotte is only about 2 1/2 -3 hours

62 rightymouse  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 10:47:43am

re: #57 Nevergiveup

Somebody forgot to tell that to the German U-Boat Captains?


Apples and oranges here, honey.

63 sattv4u2  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 10:47:54am

re: #55 ciaospirit

Anyone know how the plane stayed afloat? Or is that a dumb question?

see my #61

64 jcm  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 10:47:58am

re: #51 Shug

Do you think it would have been different if they were departing for Los angeles or Vegas etc instead of charlotte.
Is there a lot less fuel and therefore weight on those relatively shorter flights?

After Charlotte it was scheduled to go to Seattle. I don't know for this flight, but it my have been fueled for Seattle.

65 BenZacharia  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 10:48:01am

re: #55 ciaospirit

Anyone know how the plane stayed afloat? Or is that a dumb question?

Airbus has a ditch switch, that closes all vents etc. and kerosene floats

66 WhiteRasta  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 10:48:02am

re: #55 ciaospirit

An intact hull and it was probably only partially fueled up, the landing gear doors were still closed and one of the engines ripped off.

67 IslandLibertarian  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 10:48:16am

The passengers are safe.
The pilot is a hero.
The investigation is in full swing.
It's time for the lawyers to start circling the incident.

/oh, they'll find someone to sue.........

68 sattv4u2  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 10:48:43am

re: #56 WhiteRasta

Who What The F*** is Nancy Grace?

better

69 Wishing  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 10:48:48am

re: #33 jaunte

Why would she sue him?

She's a lawyer.

70 Shug  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 10:48:58am

re: #67 IslandLibertarian

The passengers are safe.
The pilot is a hero.
The investigation is in full swing.
It's time for the lawyers to start circling the incident.

/oh, they'll find someone to sue.........


Gloria Allred is already representing the widow of the first Goose

71 Jetpilot1101  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 10:49:03am

re: #51 Shug

Do you think it would have been different if they were departing for Los angeles or Vegas etc instead of charlotte.
Is there a lot less fuel and therefore weight on those relatively shorter flights?

I'm no expert on the airlines, still flying in the military but my guess is there was a lot less fuel for the short trip to Charlotte. The glide ratio doesn't depend on weight but on making sure you are at a constant airspeed; in my aircraft that is 180 kts which gives me 2.2 NM per 1000 ft of altitude drop.

72 jwb7605  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 10:49:16am

re: #32 Wishing

I think I heard oin the radio that Nancy Grace is talking about suing Sully? What a moonbat idiot.

question answered.

73 jcm  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 10:49:50am

re: #55 ciaospirit

Anyone know how the plane stayed afloat? Or is that a dumb question?

Pilot touched down gently and didn't break anything. The fuel tanks empty or full would have kept it afloat for a long time. Once they opened the cabin doors they lost that buoyancy. If had broke up on impact we'd have a different story.

74 MandyManners  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 10:50:04am

I rebooted and the video played but stopped aroun 1:30. Fuck it.

75 Nevergiveup  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 10:50:34am

re: #74 MandyManners

I rebooted and the video played but stopped aroun 1:30. Fuck it.


Want to know the ending?

76 itellu3times  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 10:50:35am

re: #13 sattv4u2

training,,, experience,, I know the real things not the same as a flight simulator, but he (and all commercial pilots) have run these things thru their head thousands of times

This being a modern aircraft, didn't the computer help it put down smoothly, even dead-stick? I vaguely recall the Airbus series having some incidents where the computer was the problem, nice if it was more of a solution here.

77 jcm  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 10:50:40am

re: #71 Jetpilot1101

I'm no expert on the airlines, still flying in the military but my guess is there was a lot less fuel for the short trip to Charlotte. The glide ratio doesn't depend on weight but on making sure you are at a constant airspeed; in my aircraft that is 180 kts which gives me 2.2 NM per 1000 ft of altitude drop.

Type? If you don't mind answering.

78 gclaghorn  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 10:50:52am

re: #74 MandyManners

I rebooted and the video played but stopped aroun 1:30. Fuck it.

If you can stand CNN, they have it posted on their website with their own player.

[Link: www.cnn.com...]

79 BenZacharia  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 10:51:05am

re: #73 jcm

Pilot touched down gently and didn't break anything. The fuel tanks empty or full would have kept it afloat for a long time. Once they opened the cabin doors they lost that buoyancy. If had broke up on impact we'd have a different story.

Ya Egytian Airs $19.195 special JFK to JFK jr.

80 jcm  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 10:51:09am

re: #76 itellu3times

This being a modern aircraft, didn't the computer help it put down smoothly, even dead-stick? I vaguely recall the Airbus series having some incidents where the computer was the problem, nice if it was more of a solution here.

This would have been a manual landing.

81 jaunte  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 10:51:10am

re: #69 Wishing

I figured it out. she's a TEEVEE lawyer, and suing a nationally known figure gets her more facetime $. What a vulture.

82 Jetpilot1101  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 10:51:38am

re: #77 jcm

Type? If you don't mind answering.

Dassault Falcon 20, DA-20 for the type on the back of my license.

83 blangwort  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 10:52:06am

re: #41 Jetpilot1101

I think my boss would be less than thrilled if I ditched his 20 million dollar aircraft just to see if I could do it.

In all seriousness, what Sully did was pretty amazing. As pilots we do practice the maneuver in flight and in the sim but very few actually ditch and even fewer ditch in a controlled manner especially with a 162,000 aircraft loaded with fuel and people.

I understand. However, this is why we have insurance. The insurance companies won't be thrilled, but they will be rather happy that everyone got out alive and with minimal injury. I don't think they'll have the slightest problem with Sully continuing to fly.

84 Cathypop  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 10:52:23am

That plane just glided onto the water. One friggin amazing pilot.

85 DeafDog  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 10:52:25am

re: #67 IslandLibertarian

The passengers are safe.
The pilot is a hero.
The investigation is in full swing.
It's time for the lawyers to start circling the incident.

/oh, they'll find someone to sue.........

You are probably right, but the lawyers can only file on behalf of an aggreived party. I could not imagine being on that flight and then filing a lawsuit. I hope the passengers avoid any lawyer's tempting offer of easy money.

86 sattv4u2  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 10:52:45am

re: #76 itellu3times

This being a modern aircraft, didn't the computer help it put down smoothly, even dead-stick? I vaguely recall the Airbus series having some incidents where the computer was the problem, nice if it was more of a solution here.

puters for auto piloting would (shoud) have been totally turned off

87 scotter  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 10:52:53am

As long as the landing gear is up, the underside of the fuselage could still be sealed and full of air, so that buys the plane some flotation time.

88 [deleted]  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 10:52:54am
89 debutaunt  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 10:53:02am

re: #55 ciaospirit

Anyone know how the plane stayed afloat? Or is that a dumb question?

The fuel in the wings?

90 sattv4u2  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 10:53:55am

re: #89 debutaunt

The relatively small amount of fuel in the wings?

91 itellu3times  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 10:53:56am

re: #80 jcm

This would have been a manual landing.

On a fly by wire plane, is there really such a thing? Again, I had the impression that on the Airbus, even the simple commands were "mediated".

92 gregg  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 10:53:59am

re: #32 Wishing

I don't really understand the Nancy Grace connection, but I'm hoping that none of the passengers decide to sue. I hope they just count their blessings and are thankful they are alive without they need to pursue some financial gain (I say this based on the understanding there were no serious injuries).

93 Nevergiveup  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 10:54:00am

20:26 British PM Brown to attend summit Egyptian peace summit in Sharm al-Sheikh (AFP)


20:11 UN`s Ban calls for timetable of Israeli withdrawal from Gaza (Reuters)

17:12 Egypt invites Sarkozy, Abbas for talks on Gaza (Reuters)

Gee all of Israel's friends are gonna be there. Is Hitler invited to?

94 ciaospirit  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 10:54:06am

Thanks, all.

95 Jetpilot1101  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 10:54:11am

re: #83 blangwort

I understand. However, this is why we have insurance. The insurance companies won't be thrilled, but they will be rather happy that everyone got out alive and with minimal injury. I don't think they'll have the slightest problem with Sully continuing to fly.

Oh heck no they won't. He will go through the typical FAA and NTSB process to make sure he wasn't drunk. high etc. (this is 100% normal and no reflection on his character or piloting abilities) and be back to work when he feels ready to step back into the cockpit. The key to the investigation will obviously be the FDR, the CVR and the engines.

96 x-wing  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 10:54:31am

re: #85 DeafDog

You are probably right, but the lawyers can only file on behalf of an aggreived party. I could not imagine being on that flight and then filing a lawsuit. I hope the passengers avoid any lawyer's tempting offer of easy money.

You might not, but c'mon, I'm betting there's at least one.

97 jcm  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 10:54:46am

re: #82 Jetpilot1101

Dassault Falcon 20, DA-20 for the type on the back of my license.

That tells me the branch.....

98 Jetpilot1101  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 10:55:05am

re: #97 jcm

That tells me the branch.....

Sure does, USCG.

99 avanti  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 10:55:56am

re: #76 itellu3times

This being a modern aircraft, didn't the computer help it put down smoothly, even dead-stick? I vaguely recall the Airbus series having some incidents where the computer was the problem, nice if it was more of a solution here.

They even have a ditch mode that seals off the bottom of the aircraft, but the pilot flew her in.

100 FightingBack  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 10:56:19am

I was surprised that the infant survived, instead of becoming a projectile in the plane. I saw the Mother on TV, and she said the passenger next to her asked her permission to brace the child, and she turned him over.

101 notutopia  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 10:56:50am

re: #92 gregg

I don't really understand the Nancy Grace connection, but I'm hoping that none of the passengers decide to sue. I hope they just count their blessings and are thankful they are alive without they need to pursue some financial gain (I say this based on the understanding there were no serious injuries).

One passenger with two broken femurs...
This is truly remarkable for the force equivalent of an auto rear end
collision of 70mph.

102 jwb7605  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 10:56:54am

re: #96 x-wing

You might not, but c'mon, I'm betting there's at least one.

From what I've noticed, the term "aggrieved party" tend to cover relatives, in-laws, and in some cases acquaintances.
There will be lawsuit(s). How ridiculous is the real question.

103 vxbush  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 10:57:05am

re: #100 FightingBack

I was surprised that the infant survived, instead of becoming a projectile in the plane. I saw the Mother on TV, and she said the passenger next to her asked her permission to brace the child, and she turned him over.

Brave mom. Smart passenger.

104 pat  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 10:57:18am

Plane is designed to float for an hour or more.

I heard on Fox that one guy got his emergency exit open in 5 seconds or so. He studied the instructions all the way down.
Also virtually every passenger hit their heads hard on the seats in front. Damn crowding.

105 sattv4u2  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 10:57:34am

Sometimes I wish I were a judge. I would have a HUGE banner behind me with the definition of the word ACCIDENT on it. If any smarmy lawyer tried to sue due to one, I would ask him to read aloud what he sees on my wall!

106 Nevergiveup  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 10:57:36am

WASHINGTON, DC (WUSA) -- District police have placed signs along 5th and I Streets. They read, "Warning, Prostitution Free Zone." Those who disobey could be fined 300 dollars, and even jailed. But will the city's plan work?

[Link: www.wusa9.com...]

Stupid me, but I thought Prostitution is illegal always in DC?

107 debutaunt  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 10:57:48am

re: #90 sattv4u2

The fuel floats.

108 Jetpilot1101  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 10:57:49am

re: #103 vxbush

Brave mom. Smart passenger.

OT: vxbush, if you don't mind me asking, how is your daughter doing? She's been on the prayer list since you asked.

109 Randall Gross  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 10:58:23am

Amazing feat of piloting, kudos to all involved including the passengers who kept their cool.

110 jcm  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 10:58:36am

re: #91 itellu3times

On a fly by wire plane, is there really such a thing? Again, I had the impression that on the Airbus, even the simple commands were "mediated".

Airbus learned and Boeing always allowed the pilot to override and go outside the programmed flight parameters. In this case nothing would have been outside normal flight parameters. The engine warnings would have been squawking, and bitching betty would have been hollering about the low altitude and no gear, the ditch switch may silence those. The ditch checklist might included disabling those warnings.

111 ArmyWife  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 10:58:51am

re: #1 Shug

At the very least make him an Honorary Honco.

OT but somewhat related - normally I don't talk about my blog here (we have some heavy weight talent on this board, so frankly I am not worthy), but during a routine check of the email, I find this:

[Link: weblogs.newsday.com...]

I feel like I should write a thank you note or something! Ok, ok. For the likes of Zombie, JWF and the others, this is run of the mill. For me? This is big!

112 x-wing  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 10:58:55am

re: #102 jwb7605

From what I've noticed, the term "aggrieved party" tend to cover relatives, in-laws, and in some cases acquaintances.
There will be lawsuit(s). How ridiculous is the real question.

It really is sickening. I know I'd throw a party for the Cap't and crew. But I agree with you. Some people just can't be happy with surviving.

113 Jetpilot1101  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 10:58:58am

re: #107 debutaunt

The fuel floats.

Generally speaking, the fuel tanks are pressurized with engine bleed air which means the wings act like two giant balloons in the event of a water landing.

114 Outrider  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 10:59:00am

re: #106 Nevergiveup

WASHINGTON, DC (WUSA) -- District police have placed signs along 5th and I Streets. They read, "Warning, Prostitution Free Zone." Those who disobey could be fined 300 dollars, and even jailed. But will the city's plan work?

[Link: www.wusa9.com...]

Stupid me, but I thought Prostitution is illegal always in DC?

Just following the Mayors example eh?

"Bi*ch set me up!"

115 heretic  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 10:59:17am

"...boaters have an extraordinary code of ethics when it comes to helping other people in distress on water."

Watching this (unlike Mandy it worked immediately and well) I was struck by the sense of how American the scene was: within 10 minutes the plane evacuated and help has arrived from three different sources -- doing what needs to be done, doing it immediately, and doing it without being orordered to.

I know the Brits had their Dunkirk evacuation, but does anyone with world travel experience have a sense of whether or not this is as extraordinary as it appears?

After the tsunami in Indonesia, there was an interview with one fisherman who piloted his boat around and was able to save 10 or 15 people, but there was never any sense of an immediate rescue attempt like these pictures show. Also you always read about ferries tipping over with massive amounts of dead people, and there never seems to be ANY rescue attempt when that happens -- they just chug around several days later and scoop up the floating bodies.

I love this citizen journalism. The MSM is reduced to publishing boring pictures of blanket-wrapped survivors on land, and asking their perennial question, "how did it feel?" Meanwhile, at Charles' pajama-clad joint, you can see the Real Right Stuff.

116 pat  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 10:59:23am

re: #105 sattv4u2

They will sue the government and mankind for global warming.

117 sattv4u2  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 10:59:29am

re: #107 debutaunt

The fuel floats.

On it's own, but the weight of the fuel in a container would sink.

118 jcm  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 10:59:43am

re: #98 Jetpilot1101

Sure does, USCG.

I want that big window you guys put in for SAR on all my airplane seats......

119 Cathypop  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 10:59:52am

re: #106 Nevergiveup

WASHINGTON, DC (WUSA) -- District police have placed signs along 5th and I Streets. They read, "Warning, Prostitution Free Zone." Those who disobey could be fined 300 dollars, and even jailed. But will the city's plan work?

[Link: www.wusa9.com...]

Stupid me, but I thought Prostitution is illegal always in DC?

The prostitues cost nothing in that zone

120 akak  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 10:59:59am

Hotair video is better.

121 FightingBack  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 11:00:02am

Maybe they could sue Schumer on behalf of the geese population.

122 jwb7605  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 11:00:02am

re: #104 pat

Plane is designed to float for an hour or more.

I heard on Fox that one guy got his emergency exit open in 5 seconds or so. He studied the instructions all the way down.
Also virtually every passenger hit their heads hard on the seats in front. Damn crowding.

The Navy (and probably all the military) has seating facing rearward for planes that will be making intentional short stops (arrested landings on a carrier).

I asked a crewmember why civilian planes didn't do that (common sense safety), and he told me it would freak out the passengers just mentioning the possibility of a crash.

123 Shug  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 11:00:13am

re: #111 ArmyWife

At the very least make him an Honorary Honco.

OT but somewhat related - normally I don't talk about my blog here (we have some heavy weight talent on this board, so frankly I am not worthy), but during a routine check of the email, I find this:

[Link: weblogs.newsday.com...]

I feel like I should write a thank you note or something! Ok, ok. For the likes of Zombie, JWF and the others, this is run of the mill. For me? This is big!


Very well said

124 Elcid  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 11:00:39am

re: #45 BenZacharia

Stil had some maroons grabbin' for their luggage, idgits. sheeesh!

Skyway Bridge Collapse 1980

Words and quotes from the article, all true. I was there.

Notice the picture of that yellow car, 14 inches from the edge.

"The doors flew open," Gattus recalled. "We all got out. We were on a sharp incline toward the water. I stuck my fingers through the grating and began to crawl away. I looked back, and Hornbuckle was still by the car. I yelled at him, 'What are you still doing there?" He said he was going back for his golf clubs."

I would say shock, is what made Mr. Hornbuckle do what he attempted. Just as the people on this aborted flght, grabbing for luggage.

Here's one lucky person:

The 1974 blue Ford Courier pickup that passed Hornbuckle had gone over the edge as well. Along with part of the bridge, the truck fell onto the Summit Venture's bow. The Courier then rolled into the water. The lone occupant, Wesley MacIntire, survived.

It haunted him for the final nine years of his life that he lived when others perished.

125 vxbush  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 11:00:41am

re: #108 Jetpilot1101

OT: vxbush, if you don't mind me asking, how is your daughter doing? She's been on the prayer list since you asked.

Actually, I appreciate the question. She's supposed to call me this weekend so we can go over expenses, how many pennies are left in the bank account, etc. So far as I know, every place she's looked has said, "We're not hiring." It looks like I'm going to have to send her some money so she can get food and gas. At least she doesn't have rent, electricity, or water to pay for. But I'm not making it without dipping into savings, and it's going to be really hard for us to support her for long.

126 sattv4u2  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 11:00:42am

re: #107 debutaunt

The fuel floats.

re: #117 sattv4u2

On it's own, but the weight of the fuel in a container would sink.

The bouyancy comes because the wings (fuel tanks) were mostly filled with pressurized air

127 debutaunt  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 11:00:48am

re: #113 Jetpilot1101

Generally speaking, the fuel tanks are pressurized with engine bleed air which means the wings act like two giant balloons in the event of a water landing.

Thank you!

128 Jetpilot1101  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 11:00:51am

re: #118 jcm

I want that big window you guys put in for SAR on all my airplane seats......

An excellent addition and it really helps out when looking for those in distress.

129 blangwort  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 11:00:57am

re: #37 vxbush

I've been flying privately for 20 years. I always thought the age 60 rule was ridiculous. And finally, it's over and done for. If Captain Haines and the Sioux City crash weren't evidence enough, Captain Sully and this flight crew's excellent performance on the Hudson river should have put all doubts to rest on this issue. You can be 40 years old and unfit, and you can be 75 years old and perfectly fit. This is why we were supposed to have medical certification for pilots. The age limit was arbitrary and stupid.

130 Randall Gross  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 11:01:06am

Wow, just watched the vid of the guy arrested for threats on Obama... he was screaming "It's daaaa jooooos!" pinch a racist nutball and the jew hate comes out...

131 notutopia  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 11:01:18am

re: #111 ArmyWife

At the very least make him an Honorary Honco.

OT but somewhat related - normally I don't talk about my blog here (we have some heavy weight talent on this board, so frankly I am not worthy), but during a routine check of the email, I find this:

[Link: weblogs.newsday.com...]

I feel like I should write a thank you note or something! Ok, ok. For the likes of Zombie, JWF and the others, this is run of the mill. For me? This is big!

Mega Kudos! You go ArmyWife!

132 ciaospirit  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 11:01:26am

re: #111 ArmyWife

At the very least make him an Honorary Honco.

OT but somewhat related - normally I don't talk about my blog here (we have some heavy weight talent on this board, so frankly I am not worthy), but during a routine check of the email, I find this:

[Link: weblogs.newsday.com...]

I feel like I should write a thank you note or something! Ok, ok. For the likes of Zombie, JWF and the others, this is run of the mill. For me? This is big!

Nice!

133 Aye Pod  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 11:01:35am

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]


“Flotation” is the more common current spelling, though “floatation” has been historically regarded as more correct.

Learn something new every day.

134 jcm  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 11:01:47am

re: #122 jwb7605

The Navy (and probably all the military) has seating facing rearward for planes that will be making intentional short stops (arrested landings on a carrier).

I asked a crewmember why civilian planes didn't do that (common sense safety), and he told me it would freak out the passengers just mentioning the possibility of a crash.

A safer airplane would have all the seats facing backwards and no windows. Windows weaken the fuselage. They studied that way back, people hated the idea of flying backwards with no windows.

135 heretic  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 11:01:51am

/oh, they'll find someone to sue.........

I nominate Canada, since they were obviously infiltrator geese.

136 Outrider  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 11:01:54am

re: #111 ArmyWife

At the very least make him an Honorary Honco.

OT but somewhat related - normally I don't talk about my blog here (we have some heavy weight talent on this board, so frankly I am not worthy), but during a routine check of the email, I find this:

[Link: weblogs.newsday.com...]

I feel like I should write a thank you note or something! Ok, ok. For the likes of Zombie, JWF and the others, this is run of the mill. For me? This is big!

Going hot? ;-)>

137 pat  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 11:02:01am

re: #122 jwb7605

yeah. that's right. seems to me that people would get used to it.

138 DeafDog  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 11:02:02am

re: #96 x-wing

No one panicked in the aftermath. My guess is they are all republicans.

:-)

139 Jetpilot1101  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 11:02:03am

re: #125 vxbush

Well then she stays on the list.

140 Cato the Elder  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 11:03:05am

Two questions: Where is the plane now (in relation to Manhattan), i.e. where did it finally sink? And does anyone know if they'll try to raise it?

141 SouthTexas  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 11:03:20am

Fine job by all!

142 BenZacharia  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 11:03:21am

re: #117 sattv4u2

On it's own, but the weight of the fuel in a container would sink.

Water inthe Hyudson eschuary is denser than kerosene by about 25%

143 Nevergiveup  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 11:03:39am

re: #134 jcm

A safer airplane would have all the seats facing backwards and no windows. Windows weaken the fuselage. They studied that way back, people hated the idea of flying backwards with no windows.

Flying backwards with no windows is OK by me, but bigger cleaner bathrooms with real big exhaust fans would really be neat.

144 blangwort  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 11:03:56am

re: #106 Nevergiveup


Stupid me, but I thought Prostitution is illegal always in DC?

Politicians are exempt. They're all prostitutes in some way.

145 MandyManners  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 11:03:59am

Amazing.

146 debutaunt  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 11:04:27am

re: #139 Jetpilot1101

Well then she stays on the list.

Had the tanks been completely full of fuel, what effect would it have had?

147 Nevergiveup  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 11:04:32am

re: #140 Cato the Elder

Two questions: Where is the plane now (in relation to Manhattan), i.e. where did it finally sink? And does anyone know if they'll try to raise it?

It never sank, it floated to southern tip of Manhattan, and they took it out of the river onto a barge a few hours ago

148 newsjunkie_ky  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 11:04:35am

This is amazing. The Ferry's were on the move the moment the plane hit the water if not before.
The crews are to be commended for getting everyone out of the water so quickly.

149 ArmyWife  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 11:04:39am

I was just excited and wanted to share.

Back to the real topic - people want to sue? Seriously? Who? The geese? The Airline for ensuring they survived, and for the most part, intact? For their dry cleaning bills?

150 vxbush  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 11:05:09am

re: #139 Jetpilot1101

Well then she stays on the list.

Thanks!

151 Alberta Oil Peon  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 11:06:10am

re: #106 Nevergiveup

WASHINGTON, DC (WUSA) -- District police have placed signs along 5th and I Streets. They read, "Warning, Prostitution Free Zone." Those who disobey could be fined 300 dollars, and even jailed. But will the city's plan work?

[Link: www.wusa9.com...]

Stupid me, but I thought Prostitution is illegal always in DC?

Does that mean they're going to start arresting Senators and Congress members? Barny Frank had better watch out.

152 Outrider  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 11:06:16am

re: #122 jwb7605

The Navy (and probably all the military) has seating facing rearward for planes that will be making intentional short stops (arrested landings on a carrier).

I asked a crewmember why civilian planes didn't do that (common sense safety), and he told me it would freak out the passengers just mentioning the possibility of a crash.

yeah, military knows its pax won't freak. There is also the kind of disorienting aspect of flying backwards. ;-)>

153 DeafDog  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 11:06:20am

Sully and the crew will be in the gallary for the State of the Union speech.

Anyone doubt this?

154 Jetpilot1101  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 11:06:22am

re: #146 debutaunt

Had the tanks been completely full of fuel, what effect would it have had?

It most likely would have sunk a bit faster.

155 Jetpilot1101  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 11:06:37am

re: #150 vxbush

Thanks!

As do you.

156 jcm  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 11:06:42am

re: #128 Jetpilot1101

An excellent addition and it really helps out when looking for those in distress.

Best seat would be sitting on the tail ramp of a C-130!

157 ArmyWife  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 11:06:43am

re: #123 Shug

re: #131 notutopia

re: #136 Outrider

Thank you.

158 jwb7605  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 11:06:54am

re: #134 jcm

A safer airplane would have all the seats facing backwards and no windows. Windows weaken the fuselage. They studied that way back, people hated the idea of flying backwards with no windows.

The aircraft I flew on (COD's) did have windows (small ones).
I vividly remember (seared, seared in my memory, I tell ya) looking at the itty bitty teeny weeny aircraft carrier and thinking "You must be shitting me. He's not really going to do that, is he?".

He did. I'm glad the seats faced backwards. I looked out the window after the plane stopped, saw personnel running toward the plane, and thought "How bad did we crash?".

159 vxbush  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 11:07:35am

re: #155 Jetpilot1101

As do you.

Very appreciated. Kids in trouble cause so much stress on the parents.

160 x-wing  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 11:07:42am

re: #151 Alberta Oil Peon

Does that mean they're going to start arresting Senators and Congress members? Barny Frank had better watch out.


Barney knows nothing about what goes on in his own house!

/yet they keep electing him.

161 Jetpilot1101  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 11:07:44am

re: #156 jcm

Best seat would be sitting on the tail ramp of a C-130!

I personally like the view from up front but I would love to thrown on the gunners belt and dangle my legs off the back of a C-130 during a search.

162 notutopia  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 11:07:58am

Airbus A320 layout and structural info.....
[Link: www.airbus.com...]

163 Jetpilot1101  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 11:08:27am

re: #159 vxbush

Very appreciated. Kids in trouble cause so much stress on the parents.

I have two little ones, haven't got to the real stress yet.

164 jcm  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 11:08:37am

re: #143 Nevergiveup

Flying backwards with no windows is OK by me, but bigger cleaner bathrooms with real big exhaust fans would really be neat.

A co-worker I have who used to work at Boeing. They came up with a waterless toilet for the planes. No need to haul hundreds of gallons of blue water up for flushing. The surface of the bowl was a super teflon, nothing would stick.

Passengers hated no flush toilets, they perceived them as "dirtier."

165 Shug  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 11:09:06am

re: #154 Jetpilot1101

It most likely would have sunk a bit faster.

I was thinking that the extra weight on the wings and aircraft structure would make it more likely to break apart.

but then again that Ethiopian 767 was out of fuel and it's wings ripped right off so what do I know

166 NY Nana  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 11:09:19am

Here is the latest coverage from our local ABC channel.

167 rightymouse  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 11:09:34am

re: #148 newsjunkie_ky

This is amazing. The Ferry's were on the move the moment the plane hit the water if not before.
The crews are to be commended for getting everyone out of the water so quickly.

There are maritime laws that boaters are obliged to follow. But generally, what I have found, is that boaters would do this even if those laws were not in place.

168 loppyd  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 11:10:11am

Good Afternoon Lizard Nation!

Peeled myself off the couch for a few minutes to see what is going on in the world ~ other than the frenzied adulation of the MSM over The One's upcoming coronation.

Of all the weekends to be sick and stuck with nothing to do but watch TV....

169 Jetpilot1101  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 11:10:56am

re: #165 Shug

I was thinking that the extra weight on the wings and aircraft structure would make it more likely to break apart.

but then again that Ethiopian 767 was out of fuel and it's wings ripped right off so what do I know

The wings ripped off because the wingtip caught the water (most likely on swell) and cartwheeled the aircraft. I'm sure sully was very cognizant of this and made sure he was wings level wen he touched down.

Incidentally, that pilot that FNC had on this morning talking about the crash was a complete and total moron.

170 debutaunt  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 11:10:57am

re: #165 Shug

I was thinking that the extra weight on the wings and aircraft structure would make it more likely to break apart.

but then again that Ethiopian 767 was out of fuel and it's wings ripped right off so what do I know

It sounds as if there are multiple factors.

171 BenZacharia  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 11:11:14am

I have yet to hear of an airplane that didn't have enough fuel to make it to the crash site.

172 loppyd  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 11:11:42am

re: #160 x-wing

Barney knows nothing about what goes on in his own house!

/yet they keep electing him.

By huge margins.

173 Cato the Elder  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 11:11:43am

re: #147 Nevergiveup

It never sank, it floated to southern tip of Manhattan, and they took it out of the river onto a barge a few hours ago

Ah, thank you. How interesting. I wonder if when they're done with the investigation they'll try to refurbish her and let her fly again. That would probably involve a complete stripping and new everything, but the fuselage could maybe be saved.

174 jwb7605  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 11:12:07am

re: #168 loppyd

Good Afternoon Lizard Nation!

Peeled myself off the couch for a few minutes to see what is going on in the world ~ other than the frenzied adulation of the MSM over The One's upcoming coronation.

Of all the weekends to be sick and stuck with nothing to do but watch TV....

My wife and daughter were talking about cold remedies this morning, and which ones work and which ones don't.
I learned there must be 50 ways to endure the common cold.

175 Shug  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 11:12:09am

re: #169 Jetpilot1101

I looked up the photos of your "office" on airliners.net

cool looking aircraft you fly there. must be a lot of fun

176 gclaghorn  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 11:12:34am

re: #147 Nevergiveup

It never sank, it floated to southern tip of Manhattan, and they took it out of the river onto a barge a few hours ago

Nope, it's still in the river. They're pulling it out now.

177 Wishing  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 11:12:59am

re: #111 ArmyWife

At the very least make him an Honorary Honco.

OT but somewhat related - normally I don't talk about my blog here (we have some heavy weight talent on this board, so frankly I am not worthy), but during a routine check of the email, I find this:

[Link: weblogs.newsday.com...]

I feel like I should write a thank you note or something! Ok, ok. For the likes of Zombie, JWF and the others, this is run of the mill. For me? This is big!

Good on you!

178 ArmyWife  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 11:13:03am

re: #164 jcm

Should have installed a flush button that made the "woosh" sound.

179 Outrider  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 11:13:07am

re: #161 Jetpilot1101

I personally like the view from up front but I would love to thrown on the gunners belt and dangle my legs off the back of a C-130 during a search.

C-130 ramps are awesome jump platforms.... so much easier, and safer than a C-141.

180 BenZacharia  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 11:13:10am

re: #173 Cato the Elder

Salvage only, rules about that stuff especially in salt water.

181 Jetpilot1101  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 11:13:15am

re: #175 Shug

I looked up the photos of your "office" on airliners.net

cool looking aircraft you fly there. must be a lot of fun

It's a blast! My office is mostly at 1500 feet every day.

182 pat  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 11:13:26am

re: #163 Jetpilot1101

Wait till the ages of 12 thru 35

183 Jetpilot1101  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 11:13:58am

re: #182 pat

Wait till the ages of 12 thru 35

I have a 2 and a 3.5 year old. Got a long way to go.

184 Nevergiveup  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 11:14:20am

re: #176 gclaghorn

Nope, it's still in the river. They're pulling it out now.

Well I am purposely trying to stay away from the News today for obvious reasons. Thanks for the correction.

185 faraway  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 11:14:25am

PETA must sue on behalf of the poor geese whose life was needlessly ended.

186 logboy  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 11:14:27am

Not sure if someone has posted this yet...


If I Wrote For The Huffington Post - Give Geese A Chanceby Andy Levy

In the wake of the events of 1-15, in which a wedge of Geese brought down a US Airways aircraft, here’s what you won’t be hearing about from the so-called “Mainstream Media”: We brought this on ourselves.

After an event such as this one, it’s important to look at the root causes: Why did the Geese attack us? Well, the truth is, for years we have been oppressing the Geese, using them for the fuel they provide for our bodies.

Boneless Goose Breast, Brandied Roast Goose, Roast Goose with Cumberland Sauce and Apricot Stuffing. And of course, the Christmas Goose. In the name of religion, we have been engaged in what can only be called a Crusade against the Geese. Is it any wonder that a few brave suicide Geese would seek revenge?

Under the neocon/neofascist Cheney-Bush administration, Goose consumption is up 1541%. Geese have been systematically deprived of their rights at a level never seen before. (Look around your workplace: do you see any Geese? Wouldn’t you be nervous if you did?) Reports of shameful anti-Goose activity are at an all-time high, mainly in the South and Midwest, of course.

The fact is, WE (and, of course, Israel) are responsible for the rise of militant Gooslam. Given our actions, is it any wonder that gaggles of Goslings would reject the teachings of moderate Goose leaders, when those leaders are perceived as being in the pocket of the West? Given our actions, is it any wonder that these young Gooslamists would flock to more assertive leaders, leaders whose commitment to their cause cannot be questioned? Given our actions, the rise of a “Goosama” was inevitable. We have only ourselves to blame. (Does anyone doubt that somewhere there’s a photo of Donald Rumsfeld shaking hands with a Goose?)

In the moments right after 1-15, many have been quick to praise the actions of the US Airways pilot. But the TRUTH is that our pilots have been instruments of the BUSHITLER illegal war against the Geese. I know the Repuglicans will attack me for saying this, but speaking TRUTH TO POWER of course makes me a true PATRIOT. And very brave.

Right now America’s relationship with other species couldn’t be worse. Like most Americans, often when I’m hiking I find myself apologizing to woodland creatures for the actions of our illegitimate government. And like the rest of the world, I’m hopeful that once President Obama takes office, things will change, and that we will end our imperialistic attempts at hegemony over the rest of the planet. After all, if he can sit down with Iran and Hezbollah, he can sit down with the Geese.

187 abolitionist  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 11:14:34am

re: #120 akak

Hotair video is better.

I found it there before browsing to this thread. Actually watched it on the LiveLeak site: Hudson Crash from Coast Guard Camera

188 jcm  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 11:14:43am

re: #165 Shug

I was thinking that the extra weight on the wings and aircraft structure would make it more likely to break apart.

but then again that Ethiopian 767 was out of fuel and it's wings ripped right off so what do I know

The Ethiopian pilot had a hijacker with a gun screwed in his ear. He was not allowed to run the checklist. The Ethiopian landed no flaps, very hot. The hijackers were screaming to keep flying even though they were at of fuel.

189 faraway  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 11:15:08am

Multiple ObamaGasms on TV today

190 Dr. Shalit  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 11:15:22am

re: #1 Shug

I nominate Sully for lizard of the month

"Shug" -

I am about ready to put "Sully" on the Anti-Idiotarian of the Year list. SOME CLIP by the way.

-S-

191 Shug  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 11:15:37am

re: #71 Jetpilot1101

I'm no expert on the airlines, still flying in the military but my guess is there was a lot less fuel for the short trip to Charlotte. The glide ratio doesn't depend on weight but on making sure you are at a constant airspeed; in my aircraft that is 180 kts which gives me 2.2 NM per 1000 ft of altitude drop.


descent is patriotic

192 pink freud  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 11:16:54am

re: #111 ArmyWife

Congratulations to you, armywife. Yes, you are worthy. You're one of my favorite posters and I am thrilled for you!

193 Jetpilot1101  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 11:17:15am

re: #191 Shug

descent is patriotic

LOL and according to our illustrious VP-elect, so is paying a s---load of taxes tot he government. What a f---tard.

194 Desert Dog  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 11:17:50am

re: #168 loppyd

Good Afternoon Lizard Nation!

Peeled myself off the couch for a few minutes to see what is going on in the world ~ other than the frenzied adulation of the MSM over The One's upcoming coronation.

Of all the weekends to be sick and stuck with nothing to do but watch TV....

I'll pass on the Obama Inauguration Commemorative plates, t-shirts, videos, hats, dental floss, rose tinted sun glasses, KoolAid jug, hemorrhoid cream, flea shampoo, bail bonds, and feminine deodorant spray, BUT, I think I might just purchase the Obama Inaugural Barf Bag. It would probably be worth the royalty to Obama, Inc.

195 Nevergiveup  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 11:18:09am

Cabinet to back ceasefire?
National Security Cabinet convenes Saturday evening to discuss Gaza Strip truce. According to Ynet survey, most ministers back ceasefire despite reservations pertaining to Gilad Shalit's release

[Link: www.ynetnews.com...]

Yada Yada Yada. But I still don't see how this is gonna work?

196 loppyd  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 11:18:42am

re: #174 jwb7605

My wife and daughter were talking about cold remedies this morning, and which ones work and which ones don't.
I learned there must be 50 ways to endure the common cold.

What was the general consensus?

I have a head cold, fever and ache all over.

197 loppyd  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 11:19:12am

re: #194 Desert Dog

I'll pass on the Obama Inauguration Commemorative plates, t-shirts, videos, hats, dental floss, rose tinted sun glasses, KoolAid jug, hemorrhoid cream, flea shampoo, bail bonds, and feminine deodorant spray, BUT, I think I might just purchase the Obama Inaugural Barf Bag. It would probably be worth the royalty to Obama, Inc.

I'd lay down some cash for that barf bag.

199 Desert Dog  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 11:19:55am

re: #196 loppyd

What was the general consensus?

I have a head cold, fever and ache all over.

Sleep, drink fluids, rest. Take some TheraFlu or Nyquil so you can sleep.

201 vxbush  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 11:20:13am

re: #197 loppyd

I'd lay down some cash for that barf bag.

You'll certainly get enough use out of it.

202 Jetpilot1101  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 11:20:18am

re: #197 loppyd

I'd lay down some cash for that barf bag.

Maybe he can send us all one when he hikes our taxes to 60% or so. The bottom of the bag could say something like "just remember, your are a patriot".

203 Digital Display  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 11:20:55am

re: #111 ArmyWife

At the very least make him an Honorary Honco.

OT but somewhat related - normally I don't talk about my blog here (we have some heavy weight talent on this board, so frankly I am not worthy), but during a routine check of the email, I find this:

[Link: weblogs.newsday.com...]

I feel like I should write a thank you note or something! Ok, ok. For the likes of Zombie, JWF and the others, this is run of the mill. For me? This is big!

*Salute*
Great job and God bless you for your clear headed defense of our Military heros. Thanks

204 jcm  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 11:20:57am

A little different sea plane

Liveleak Video
205 Syrah  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 11:21:14am

Tuesday approaches.

206 Guanxi88  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 11:21:18am

re: #196 loppyd

What was the general consensus?

I have a head cold, fever and ache all over.

Whatcha wanna do is go to a TCM (Traditional Chinese Medicine) practitioner. Don't go to a Westerner (round-eye, gwai lo) if you can help it. Alternately, swing by a Chinese herb shop and ask if they got any "Pe Min Kan Wan" (if you think it's allergies), or "Yin Chao" (if you're sure it's a cold). If they got an herbalist (see disclaimers above) on hand and he offers to mix you up a formula, take him up on the offer - the decoctions work better than the pills.

Sore throat? Try Ban Lan Gen - tastes like sweet socks, but works, by gum!

207 ArmyWife  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 11:21:25am

re: #186 logboy

Excellent! But when I look around my workplace, I do see Geese. Great big honking hissing geese. You see, they are protected here and they LOVE LOVE LOVE our spoils pond, not to mention our plant is on the tip of a penisula. It's warm and clean, a goose Riviera! We have also provided Geese Huts near the pond because the damn things stay all winter, least some other goose clan discover this prime spot. During hatching season, Mama Geese are mean. MEAN. They will bite your head off, literally. There was one who laid her eggs right near an entrance door to the administration building. She would try to attack anyone who dared get too close, and her version of close was a pretty long way away. We had to come up with an alternate entrance (though a warehouse) until babies were born.

208 Desert Dog  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 11:21:42am

re: #202 Jetpilot1101

Maybe he can send us all one when he hikes our taxes to 60% or so. The bottom of the bag could say something like "just remember, your are a patriot".

Then he would announce the new Federal Barf Tax. There's probably a little meter in there that reports the "levels" back to the IRS

209 broomer  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 11:21:43am

re: #195 Nevergiveup

Cabinet to back ceasefire?
National Security Cabinet convenes Saturday evening to discuss Gaza Strip truce. According to Ynet survey, most ministers back ceasefire despite reservations pertaining to Gilad Shalit's release

[Link: www.ynetnews.com...]

Yada Yada Yada. But I still don't see how this is gonna work?

Any politician that backs the ceasefire will pay at the ballot box. Sentiment is running very high against the ceasefire unless Gilad Shalit comes home first.

210 Ojoe  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 11:21:54am

re: #204 jcm

That one used water skis.

211 ArmyWife  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 11:21:55am

re: #192 pink freud

awwww....this is the best day ever!

212 loppyd  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 11:21:59am

Classic liberal NIMBY.

Ted Kennedy hits Cape Wind OK


Sen. Edward Kennedy served notice yesterday that the fight over a controversial wind-turbine project off Cape Cod is far from over - despite a key regulatory move that pushes the Cape Wind proposal closer to reality...........

......But Kennedy, whose family owns a compound in Hyannis, sounded defiant yesterday, despite criticism that the Senate’s “Liberal Lion” was opposing what many consider a major environmental initiative.

“I do not believe that this action by the Interior Department will be sustained,” said Kennedy in a statement.

213 vxbush  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 11:22:00am

re: #176 gclaghorn

Nope, it's still in the river. They're pulling it out now.

Nothing seems to be happening, though. Just folks standing around talking.

214 AuntAcid  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 11:22:16am

floatation devices aka "a JaLO"

215 MandyManners  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 11:22:27am

re: #196 loppyd

What was the general consensus?

I have a head cold, fever and ache all over.

Cold or influenza?

216 BenZacharia  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 11:22:37am

re: #196 loppyd

What was the general consensus?

I have a head cold, fever and ache all over.

ZICAM IS AWESOME!

217 Nevergiveup  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 11:22:58am

re: #213 vxbush

Nothing seems to be happening, though. Just folks standing around talking.


Must be a union job?

218 CynicalConservative  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 11:23:14am

re: #213 vxbush

Nothing seems to be happening, though. Just folks standing around talking.

Well, it is a government operation.

219 jwb7605  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 11:23:16am

re: #196 loppyd

What was the general consensus?

I have a head cold, fever and ache all over.

Tea.
I don't understand it at all, but the "consensus" was "Gypsy Cold Care". It has Phameacopoel Quality Herb", and is made with Organic Elder.

I just drink gallons of ordinary hot green tea when I get my yearly cold. Hot liquid soothes the throat, keeps my sinuses from totally plugging up. If you can't stand caffeine, use your favorite herbal tea.

220 pat  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 11:23:41am

Schumer is such an idiot. Why don't people laugh this dimwit out of office?

221 NY Nana  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 11:23:45am

re: #213 vxbush

They said here, on the radio, that because of the ice conditions, they will not attempt to do it today. It is supposed to be a bit warmer tomorrow.

222 loppyd  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 11:23:55am

re: #199 Desert Dog

Sleep, drink fluids, rest. Take some TheraFlu or Nyquil so you can sleep.

Sleep - check
Fluids - check
Rest - check
Theraflu - never tried it
Nyquil - makes me gag - and once made me almost suffer the same fate as Jim Morrison.

223 Jetpilot1101  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 11:24:25am

re: #220 pat

Schumer is such an idiot. Why don't people laugh this dimwit out of office?

Because there is a tax on laughing in New York and people can't afford it.

224 Nevergiveup  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 11:25:23am

re: #220 pat

Schumer is such an idiot. Why don't people laugh this dimwit out of office?

He is a Democrat from NY. You practically have to get caught with a hooker to lose?

225 Ojoe  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 11:25:25am

re: #220 pat

Why did the congress in general get re-elected?

That is very depressing & one of the worst political portents for our country, that I can think of.

I am thinking of the government more and more as thieves, stealing from honest people, and giving the loot to criminals.

226 loppyd  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 11:25:27am

re: #219 jwb7605

If you can't stand caffeine, use your favorite herbal tea.

You don't know me at all. LOL

I am out of tea and the BF is at work until 6:00

whaa whaaa

I'll quit my bitching now. :~)

227 pat  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 11:25:32am

That air frame can be saved. No one wants to see kerosene all over the place. They will be careful.

228 Dustyvet  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 11:25:56am

re: #29 Nevergiveup

Ain't a big fan of NW?

Who is?

229 loppyd  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 11:26:00am

re: #215 MandyManners

Cold or influenza?

I think both. Yay!

230 logboy  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 11:26:01am

re: #207 ArmyWife

Geese are a problem everywhere here in the midwest, especiallly the urban areas. Sadly they are very greasy to eat so a lot of people shy away from them. People love watching the "wildlife" until they realize they're standing in their shit.

231 [deleted]  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 11:26:32am
232 loppyd  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 11:26:41am

re: #216 BenZacharia

ZICAM IS AWESOME!

I think I'll have the BF stop for that and tea on his way home later. I'll send Rush an email if it works.

233 Shug  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 11:27:18am

re: #232 loppyd

I think I'll have the BF stop for that and tea on his way home later. I'll send Rush an email if it works.

If Zicam is so wonderful, how come Rush always has a cold?

234 loppyd  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 11:27:21am

re: #231 ploome hineni

I am watching GoodFellas for the 6th time

anything but NofknBama

Ha! I watched it earlier on A&E - "how you doing Hendry?"

235 Guanxi88  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 11:27:27am

re: #206 Guanxi88

Whatcha wanna do is go to a TCM (Traditional Chinese Medicine) practitioner. Don't go to a Westerner (round-eye, gwai lo) if you can help it. Alternately, swing by a Chinese herb shop and ask if they got any "Pe Min Kan Wan" (if you think it's allergies), or "Yin Chao" (if you're sure it's a cold). If they got an herbalist (see disclaimers above) on hand and he offers to mix you up a formula, take him up on the offer - the decoctions work better than the pills.

Sore throat? Try Ban Lan Gen - tastes like sweet socks, but works, by gum!

Almost forgot - there's another one : Jiu Hong Chong Ji. About the best cold/flu formula out there. I live in Ausin, so I know a thing or two about allergies and colds - have one, the other, or both year-round. Chinese herbal medicine works.

236 loppyd  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 11:27:38am

re: #233 Shug

If Zicam is so wonderful, how come Rush always has a cold?

I have often wondered that myself!

237 nyc redneck  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 11:27:47am

re: #138 DeafDog

No one panicked in the aftermath. My guess is they are all republicans.

:-)

and apparently the men assisted the women and children first, so you KNOW they were republicans.

238 n in wi  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 11:27:49am

re: #207 ArmyWife

Please,give Geese a chance.

239 NY Nana  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 11:27:55am

re: #220 pat

Schumer is such an idiot. Why don't people laugh this dimwit out of office?

If I only knew....but he is not as bad as Shrill was...damning him with faint praise. We are waiting to see who Gov. Paterson, yet another schmuck, will annoint to finish Shrill's term. Looks like Caroline Kennedy Schlossberg is not all that wanted.

240 reine.de.tout  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 11:27:57am

Looking at that video, it looks to me like on the right side, somebody went into the water. did anyone else see that?

Amazing, amazing video. It appears the current must have been pretty active, the camera operator has trouble keeping the plane centered in picture.

241 pat  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 11:28:16am

re: #230 logboy

Migratory patterns of the Canada geese have changed not because of global warming, but because of year round food supplies in urban areas. This has been known for 25 years. Time Mag must be manned by fools.

242 Ojoe  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 11:28:20am

re: #227 pat

The airframe will get a nick name, like the "Gimli Glider" got one.

243 Desert Dog  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 11:28:26am

re: #236 loppyd

I have often wondered that myself!

'cause they send him a check every month? That'd be my guess.

244 jwb7605  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 11:28:31am

re: #232 loppyd

I think I'll have the BF stop for that and tea on his way home later. I'll send Rush an email if it works.

I tried Zicam last spring "at the first symptoms", like he recommends. I had a much milder cold that lasted twice as long.

245 faraway  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 11:28:34am

Death to Geese

246 MandyManners  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 11:28:50am

re: #229 loppyd

I think both. Yay!

Got any neighbors to get you some tea?

247 loppyd  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 11:28:51am

re: #206 Guanxi88

That all sounds very complicated, but I appreciate the advice. No Chinese herbalists in my neck of the woods. Lots of people claiming to be witches, though.

248 gregg  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 11:28:59am

re: #227 pat

That air frame can be saved. No one wants to see kerosene all over the place. They will be careful.

That's why I subscribe to PlaneFax.com - I don't want to buy a used plane that claims it has minor water damage and find out later that it was the plane from this incident.

249 yma o hyd  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 11:29:16am

re: #230 logboy

Geese are a problem everywhere here in the midwest, especiallly the urban areas. Sadly they are very greasy to eat so a lot of people shy away from them. People love watching the "wildlife" until they realize they're standing in their shit.

The last word in your post is the operative one!

Said gifts to nature, coming out the other end of all sweet animals, like rabbits, sheep, geese can get pretty horrid when exposed to rain ...

Just try enjoying a nature walk where said animals hang out! Gives a whole new meaning to the word 'hazard'!

(And don't forget that your pretty little houswolves love eating that stuff ...!)

250 Shug  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 11:29:28am

My remedy for a cold
First don't get one.--wash your hands and stop picking your nose

but if you do get one ;
Tylenol and or Motrin
decongestant if you are stuffy
humidifier
rest.

avoid the crap that makes you feel worse like antihistamines and expectorants. they are worthless.

plenty of sex

251 n in wi  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 11:29:50am

re: #222 loppyd

Sleep - check
Fluids - check
Rest - check
Theraflu - never tried it
Nyquil - makes me gag - and once made me almost suffer the same fate as Jim Morrison.

You saw a naked Indian walking in the desert?

252 Shug  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 11:29:53am

re: #242 Ojoe

The airframe will get a nick name, like the "Gimli Glider" got one.

The sully seaplane

253 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 11:30:14am

From Muqata

7:46 PM -- Dr. El Ayash asks on Israel Channel 2, "Why didn't the soldiers fire only on the upper room of his house?" (which by default is where he is admitting the shooting was coming from).

6:31 PM -- Defense Ministry reporting IDF forces came under fire from the home/medical office building of Gazan (Israeli trained) Doctor El Ayash (who also worked at Seroka hospital in Be'er Sheva). IDF forces returned fire on the terrorist source and among the killed were Dr. Ayash 3 daughters.

Truly sorry about the girls ... however ...

254 loppyd  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 11:30:23am

re: #246 MandyManners

Got any neighbors to get you some tea?

The upstairs neighbor is away and the rest are freaks. I'll be ok. I have a grocery store close by if I get desperate....or I can call my mama.

255 MandyManners  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 11:30:28am

re: #240 reine.de.tout

Looking at that video, it looks to me like on the right side, somebody went into the water. did anyone else see that?

Amazing, amazing video. It appears the current must have been pretty active, the camera operator has trouble keeping the plane centered in picture.

Made me dizzy just watching.

256 alegrias  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 11:30:48am

re: #168 loppyd

Good Afternoon Lizard Nation!

Peeled myself off the couch for a few minutes to see what is going on in the world ~ other than the frenzied adulation of the MSM over The One's upcoming coronation.

Of all the weekends to be sick and stuck with nothing to do but watch TV....

* **
Hi LoppyD, get well soon.
Think of ways to counter the coming lean years, like staying healthy 100% of the time!

Did you see on Fox last night that the Obama family dog choices were boiling down to cockadoodle and included your senior Massachusetts senator Teddy Kennedy's kind of dog, the Portuguese Water Dog (Crash or Splash is his name?)

257 Ojoe  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 11:30:49am

The Gimli Glider

258 MandyManners  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 11:31:05am

re: #254 loppyd

The upstairs neighbor is away and the rest are freaks. I'll be ok. I have a grocery store close by if I get desperate....or I can call my mama.

Ain't nothing like mama!

259 notutopia  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 11:31:05am

re: #198 Ojoe

For comparison, here is some footage of a flying boat landing on the water. Enjoy!

Ojoe, it has the most unique body curvature and flatnose hull. The tail sticks up like a whale's tail. And the 3 engines are all forward and top, not aft. Very neat design. I want one!

260 Guanxi88  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 11:31:39am

re: #247 loppyd

That all sounds very complicated, but I appreciate the advice. No Chinese herbalists in my neck of the woods. Lots of people claiming to be witches, though.

Eh, they're around, ya just got's to look for 'em. Anywhere you've got Chinese or Vietnamese, you'll find this stuff. If you've got an asian grocery store and can stand the smells (a little strong for most, even for me) they've usually got what you need.

261 Digital Display  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 11:31:39am

re: #207 ArmyWife

Excellent! But when I look around my workplace, I do see Geese. Great big honking hissing geese. You see, they are protected here and they LOVE LOVE LOVE our spoils pond, not to mention our plant is on the tip of a penisula. It's warm and clean, a goose Riviera! We have also provided Geese Huts near the pond because the damn things stay all winter, least some other goose clan discover this prime spot. During hatching season, Mama Geese are mean. MEAN. They will bite your head off, literally. There was one who laid her eggs right near an entrance door to the administration building. She would try to attack anyone who dared get too close, and her version of close was a pretty long way away. We had to come up with an alternate entrance (though a warehouse) until babies were born.

A couple months a year the Canadian Geese stay here and you can't hunt or hurt them in anyway..They must know they are protected God's little special birds cause they walk down the road like kings or something..
I roll down the window and scream 'Orange Sauce mofo's!' They fly like the wicked witch of the East just came on scene..After a couple of weeks and the same Geese hanging out at the same place you get to know them..
It's like Grand Torino when you drive by them at 2 MPH and point your finger and say..Get off my Road..punk!

262 faraway  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 11:32:08am

loppyd, we are all going to be sick for the next 4 years. Let us know what works.

263 Killgore Trout  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 11:32:14am

Another Miracle: Rocket Hits Empty Synagogue


Netivot Sabbath worshippers are considering their prayers to have been worthy Saturday morning after a Hamas rocket exploded at a synagogue after worshipers had completed prayers and left the building. The Gaza Belt town is located approximately five miles from Sderot.

No one was physically wounded, but two people suffered shock, and the building sustained extensive damage.

Of course the UN will be outraged and demand war crimes trials.

264 BenZacharia  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 11:32:33am

re: #230 logboy

Geese are a problem everywhere here in the midwest, especiallly the urban areas. Sadly they are very greasy to eat so a lot of people shy away from them. People love watching the "wildlife" until they realize they're standing in their shit.

Slooooow roast eletric grill, renders out the fat.

265 Cathypop  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 11:32:39am

re: #235 Guanxi88

Almost forgot - there's another one : Jiu Hong Chong Ji. About the best cold/flu formula out there. I live in Ausin, so I know a thing or two about allergies and colds - have one, the other, or both year-round. Chinese herbal medicine works.

Speaking of Chinese ... where is a good chinese grocery in the Austin area?

266 loppyd  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 11:32:53am

re: #258 MandyManners

Ain't nothing like mama!

Amen. She'd come over right now, but I don't want to bother her. This was my step-father's last chemo week (yay for real!) and by Saturday he is bedridden with exhaustion.

267 avanti  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 11:33:21am

re: #189 faraway

Multiple ObamaGasms on TV today

I often watch Fox, just to see what those to the right of me are thinking, but recently, I think they've been absorbed by the Borg. The inaugural coverage is very upbeat, hope and changey. I wonder if they are in danger of losing rating share by not giving you guys channel to watch.

268 Killgore Trout  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 11:33:34am

re: #253 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Dr. El Ayash asks on Israel Channel 2, "Why didn't the soldiers fire only on the upper room of his house?" (which by default is where he is admitting the shooting was coming from).


Interesting. I certainly have sympathy for his children but I strongly suspect he's a scumbag.

269 Jetpilot1101  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 11:33:44am

re: #266 loppyd

Amen. She'd come over right now, but I don't want to bother her. This was my step-father's last chemo week (yay for real!) and by Saturday he is bedridden with exhaustion.

Good news! I hope and pray his cancer is GONE.

270 Guanxi88  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 11:33:48am

re: #247 loppyd

That all sounds very complicated, but I appreciate the advice. No Chinese herbalists in my neck of the woods. Lots of people claiming to be witches, though.

Another way to go:

Go down (or have somebody go down) to the corner liquor store. Ya want to get either plain old brandy - cheapest is best in this case - or ginger flavored brandy or schnapps.

That and a little hot water will make a delightful beverage to help you through.

271 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 11:33:58am

re: #263 Killgore Trout

Another Miracle: Rocket Hits Empty Synagogue

Of course the UN will be outraged and demand war crimes trials.

... I assume because the departure of the worshipers caused mental anguish to those who fired the rocket. Correct?

272 notutopia  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 11:33:59am

re: #233 Shug

If Zicam is so wonderful, how come Rush always has a cold?

I suspect, that they are not viral sanitizing his head gear and microphones. He's just reinfecting himself....

273 loppyd  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 11:34:05am

re: #256 alegrias

* **
Hi LoppyD, get well soon.
Think of ways to counter the coming lean years, like staying healthy 100% of the time!

Did you see on Fox last night that the Obama family dog choices were boiling down to cockadoodle and included your senior Massachusetts senator Teddy Kennedy's kind of dog, the Portuguese Water Dog (Crash or Splash is his name?)

Thanks - I'll be fine.

Splash. You have to wonder what he was smoking.

274 Desert Dog  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 11:34:06am

re: #245 faraway

Death to Geese

Agreed! Except of course, the rare grey goose. Let's keep that species around, ok?

275 DeafDog  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 11:34:18am

re: #245 faraway

Death to Geese

You say that now, but one day you will need a good goosing and there will be none.

/lame pun

276 faraway  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 11:34:41am

re: #267 avanti

I often watch Fox, just to see what those to the right of me are thinking, but recently, I think they've been absorbed by the Borg. The inaugural coverage is very upbeat, hope and changey. I wonder if they are in danger of losing rating share by not giving you guys channel to watch.

They will have many ads for stomach remedies. We'll need em.

277 loppyd  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 11:35:05am

re: #269 Jetpilot1101

Good news! I hope and pray his cancer is GONE.

Thank you. So far, so good....it's been a hell of a year for my family.

278 Nevergiveup  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 11:35:06am

France: Sarkzoy to co-chair Gaza summit in Egypt

[Link: www.jpost.com...]

The German government said Chancellor Angela Merkel will also attend. The French statement said British Prime Minister Gordon Brown will also attend, but Brown's office has not confirmed this.

Hum. Hey boys Israel ain't' Czechoslovakia circa 1938. Talk all you want but then take your suggestions and shove em were the sun don't shine!

279 Guanxi88  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 11:35:24am

re: #265 Cathypop

Speaking of Chinese ... where is a good chinese grocery in the Austin area?

Best one, bar none, is the MT supermarket, way the heck up on North Lamar:

[Link: www.mtsupermarket.com...]

I used to shop from them when they were in that little strip mall with the buffet, the cleaners, and the Mexican nightclub. It's like a freakin' Chinese HEB these days; really nice.

280 reine.de.tout  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 11:35:35am

re: #250 Shug

My remedy for a cold
First don't get one.--wash your hands and stop picking your nose

but if you do get one ;
Tylenol and or Motrin
decongestant if you are stuffy
humidifier
rest.

avoid the crap that makes you feel worse like antihistamines and expectorants. they are worthless.

plenty of sex

You must be related to my husband.

281 loppyd  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 11:36:04am

re: #270 Guanxi88

Another way to go:

Go down (or have somebody go down) to the corner liquor store. Ya want to get either plain old brandy - cheapest is best in this case - or ginger flavored brandy or schnapps.

That and a little hot water will make a delightful beverage to help you through.

If I told you the name of my local liquor store you wouldn't believe me.

282 Killgore Trout  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 11:36:04am

New video of US Airways Flight 1549 crash landing into the Hudson River

Liveleak Video
283 reine.de.tout  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 11:36:15am

re: #240 reine.de.tout

Looking at that video, it looks to me like on the right side, somebody went into the water. did anyone else see that?

Amazing, amazing video. It appears the current must have been pretty active, the camera operator has trouble keeping the plane centered in picture.

Looking at it again, it must have been one of the rafts that someone put into the water, not a person.

284 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 11:36:26am

re: #268 Killgore Trout

Interesting. I certainly have sympathy for his children but I strongly suspect he's a scumbag.

Well, the possibility does exist that the snipers invaded his home, were firing from there against his wishes.

/just playing devil's advocate ... heh, perhaps literally in this case

285 alegrias  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 11:36:44am

re: #194 Desert Dog

I'll pass on the Obama Inauguration Commemorative plates, t-shirts, videos, hats, dental floss, rose tinted sun glasses, KoolAid jug, hemorrhoid cream, flea shampoo, bail bonds, and feminine deodorant spray, BUT, I think I might just purchase the Obama Inaugural Barf Bag. It would probably be worth the royalty to Obama, Inc.

* * *
If we were smart, we would be SELLING this Obama idolatrous crap & recouping our other losses!

Plus imagine their buyers' remorse when it sets in among the more reasonable "believers."

286 Guanxi88  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 11:36:44am

re: #281 loppyd

If I told you the name of my local liquor store you wouldn't believe me.

Try me. Is it Brigham Young's Beer Barn?

287 avanti  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 11:36:49am

re: #276 faraway

They will have many ads for stomach remedies. We'll need em.

Wow, 150,000 waiting at the Baltimore train station, some there since 1 AM in very cold weather, that's more devotion then I can muster.

288 loppyd  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 11:36:50am

re: #250 Shug

plenty of sex

BF, is that you?

289 Ojoe  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 11:36:54am

re: #252 Shug

Good.re: #259 notutopia

Here's a photo


BBL

290 Cathypop  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 11:37:02am

re: #279 Guanxi88

Best one, bar none, is the MT supermarket, way the heck up on North Lamar:

[Link: www.mtsupermarket.com...]

I used to shop from them when they were in that little strip mall with the buffet, the cleaners, and the Mexican nightclub. It's like a freakin' Chinese HEB these days; really nice.


Slightly off my route home but will hit it next week. Thanks

291 loppyd  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 11:37:07am

re: #286 Guanxi88

Try me. Is it Brigham Young's Beer Barn?

Not even close!

292 jaunte  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 11:37:09am

re: #280 reine.de.tout

We're all related to your husband!

293 Syrah  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 11:37:28am

re: #149 ArmyWife

I was just excited and wanted to share.

Back to the real topic - people want to sue? Seriously? Who? The geese? The Airline for ensuring they survived, and for the most part, intact? For their dry cleaning bills?

I suspect the ones that are most eager to sue are the ambulance chasing lawyers.

294 reine.de.tout  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 11:37:45am

re: #282 Killgore Trout

New video of US Airways Flight 1549 crash landing into the Hudson River

[Video]

And that does indeed look like a "landing", not a crash.
Simply awesome.

295 rightymouse  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 11:38:02am

re: #280 reine.de.tout

You must be related to my husband.

lol! And mine too. :)

296 reine.de.tout  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 11:38:18am

re: #292 jaunte

We're all related to your husband!

rofl!

297 Nevergiveup  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 11:38:35am

re: #284 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Well, the possibility does exist that the snipers invaded his home, were firing from there against his wishes.

/just playing devil's advocate ... heh, perhaps literally in this case

What I don't get is what was his family doing in Gaza. He was trained as a Dr. in Israel. He worked in an Israeli Hospital and for sure was NOT commuting back and forth from Gaza. So he was staying in Israel. Sounds fishy to me.

298 loppyd  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 11:38:37am

re: #262 faraway

loppyd, we are all going to be sick for the next 4 years. Let us know what works.

There is no cure for Chronic Obama Syndrome.

299 faraway  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 11:38:49am

re: #287 avanti

Wow, 150,000 waiting at the Baltimore train station, some there since 1 AM in very cold weather, that's more devotion then I can muster.

I'm getting a headache

300 reine.de.tout  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 11:39:49am

JAUNTE -
Have you seen FlakMusic around?

He has all the cookbook "stuff", but I haven't heard from him about getting it onto lulu.com

301 Killgore Trout  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 11:40:02am

re: #284 pre-Boomer Marine brat

It's possible.

302 Guanxi88  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 11:40:05am

re: #290 Cathypop

Slightly off my route home but will hit it next week. Thanks

You won't be disappointed. I'm planning to make a run up there sometime soon myself. Gotta stock up for the Chinese New Year. Year of the OX!

303 MandyManners  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 11:40:15am

re: #266 loppyd

Amen. She'd come over right now, but I don't want to bother her. This was my step-father's last chemo week (yay for real!) and by Saturday he is bedridden with exhaustion.

I hope he's cured!

304 DeafDog  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 11:40:18am

re: #287 avanti

Wow, 150,000 waiting at the Baltimore train station, some there since 1 AM in very cold weather, that's more devotion then I can muster.

In 6 months to a year, when O-nitwit gets railroaded out of town, they will all be holding pitchforks.

305 jaunte  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 11:40:43am

re: #300 reine.de.tout

No, I haven't. Last I heard from him, he had acknowledged receipt, but that's it.

306 vxbush  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 11:40:51am

re: #281 loppyd

If I told you the name of my local liquor store you wouldn't believe me.

Now you HAVE to tell us!

307 jcm  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 11:40:57am

re: #282 Killgore Trout

New video of US Airways Flight 1549 crash landing into the Hudson River

[Video]

That's a good view....

308 Guanxi88  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 11:41:03am

re: #291 loppyd

Not even close!

It's not Marty's, is it? Cause if it's the Marty's at the corner of Beacon and Comm ave in Brighton, I'm gonna lose it.

309 Cathypop  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 11:41:04am

re: #299 faraway

I'm getting a headache


Good thing my shelfs are full of books that have been screaming for me to read. Should take me couple years to work thru them and then hit the lybrary.

310 loppyd  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 11:41:27am

re: #306 vxbush

Now you HAVE to tell us!

The Bunghole.

311 MandyManners  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 11:41:35am

re: #273 loppyd

Thanks - I'll be fine.

Splash. You have to wonder what he was smoking.

That's an unbelievable insult to his victim.

312 rightymouse  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 11:41:38am

re: #302 Guanxi88

You won't be disappointed. I'm planning to make a run up there sometime soon myself. Gotta stock up for the Chinese New Year. Year of the OX!

I have a friend who lives in the boonies of Texas. Have to send him Jasmine rice and Thai fish sauce 'cause he can't get it near him.

313 Guanxi88  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 11:41:43am

re: #310 loppyd

The Bunghole.

Are you threatening me?

314 avanti  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 11:41:52am

re: #276 faraway

They will have many ads for stomach remedies. We'll need em.

Stay strong my new conservative friends, it will get worst. My son is heading to DC with a van load of kids hope and change kids that are looking for conservatives to give a group hug. Please be gentle if so approached, they are motivated, but more naive than this leftie.

315 WhiteRasta  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 11:42:34am

re: #297 Nevergiveup

I would not be letting him anywhere near any Jewish patients after this.

He's likely to get infected with sudden jihad syndrome...

316 reine.de.tout  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 11:42:43am

re: #305 jaunte

No, I haven't. Last I heard from him, he had acknowledged receipt, but that's it.

OK. Thanks.

317 Guanxi88  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 11:42:43am

re: #312 rightymouse

I have a friend who lives in the boonies of Texas. Have to send him Jasmine rice and Thai fish sauce 'cause he can't get it near him.

May selection differs by store, but every HEB here in Austin's got Nam Pla fish sauce and the good cheap jasmine rice.

318 loppyd  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 11:42:48am

re: #308 Guanxi88

It's not Marty's, is it? Cause if it's the Marty's at the corner of Beacon and Comm ave in Brighton, I'm gonna lose it.

I don't think I've ever been to that one. I always get lost in Brighton. Always!

319 BenZacharia  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 11:42:48am

re: #302 Guanxi88

You won't be disappointed. I'm planning to make a run up there sometime soon myself. Gotta stock up for the Chinese New Year. Year of the OX!

..and i'll being writing "rat" on my checks for weeks

320 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 11:43:08am

Internet at this hotel is slooooow as molasses. I don't think I'm plugged in to a phone jack.

321 loppyd  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 11:43:11am

re: #313 Guanxi88

Are you threatening me?

:~)

322 notutopia  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 11:43:11am

re: #310 loppyd

The Bunghole.

Now that is Funny!
loppyd, I pray your father is cured from this Chemo session!

323 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 11:43:24am

re: #301 Killgore Trout

It's possible.

It's also possible that his blaming of the IDF was the anguished cry of a father, rather than the typical victimization knee-jerk .

/it's ... possible

324 Guanxi88  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 11:43:28am

re: #319 BenZacharia

..and i'll being writing "rat" on my checks for weeks

Beautiful, simply beautiful. Funny, cause it's true!

325 Cathypop  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 11:43:39am

re: #302 Guanxi88

You won't be disappointed. I'm planning to make a run up there sometime soon myself. Gotta stock up for the Chinese New Year. Year of the OX!

I can't remember what they are called. Its dough with port inside and they are steamed (I think). Have not had a good one in ages. A lady I worked with would get a care package of them from her mom and I would swap my moms cinnamon rolls for hers pork thingies. What are they called?

326 Killgore Trout  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 11:43:46am

re: #284 pre-Boomer Marine brat

In another article from this morning he said that a few days ago an Israeli tank was too close to his house so he made some calls and had it moved. With hamas I don't think you can even ask without getting killed. However, the doctor ends up covering up for Hamas like the UN does.

327 loppyd  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 11:43:49am

re: #311 MandyManners

That's an unbelievable insult to his victim.

He doesn't give a shit about his victim. Never has. Never will.

328 Nevergiveup  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 11:43:51am

re: #315 WhiteRasta

I would not be letting him anywhere near any Jewish patients after this.

He's likely to get infected with sudden jihad syndrome...

you notice he didn't rush back to his "Homeland" to help with the casualties in Gaza?

330 Guanxi88  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 11:43:54am

re: #321 loppyd

:~)

Ahh, the genius of Mike Judge.

331 Digital Display  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 11:44:07am

re: #303 MandyManners

I hope he's cured!

I pray also..you know after my mom's chemo she wouldn't eat... so i used to go every night to buy her favorite dish at this Irish joint.. She couldn't resist and would have to eat the fish.. at least a little bit..God Bless

332 goddessoftheclassroom  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 11:44:42am

re: #323 pre-Boomer Marine brat

MWAH!

333 Wishing  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 11:44:45am

re: #294 reine.de.tout

And that does indeed look like a "landing", not a crash.
Simply awesome.

That is one helluva pilot!

334 loppyd  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 11:44:47am

re: #322 notutopia

Now that is Funny!
loppyd, I pray your father is cured from this Chemo session!

It's a touristy place I live in, too. I have seen many people posing for pics in front of the place.

Thank you very much.

335 rightymouse  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 11:45:13am

re: #317 Guanxi88

May selection differs by store, but every HEB here in Austin's got Nam Pla fish sauce and the good cheap jasmine rice.


Austin's kind of a haul for him. Easier for me to ship him stuff he needs. Am fortunate that we have good Asian stores around here in Cleveland or I would go stark raving out of my mind.

336 Guanxi88  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 11:45:31am

re: #318 loppyd

I don't think I've ever been to that one. I always get lost in Brighton. Always!

How could you get lost? last time I was there, it was right there by the T-stop at Harvard and Comm, as I should have written. Corner of Beacon and Comm would be down in Kenmore. There was a packy there once, but I think the whole place went upscale.

337 jwb7605  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 11:45:33am

re: #318 loppyd

I don't think I've ever been to that one. I always get lost in Brighton. Always!

How the heck could you possibly get lost in Brighton?

338 alegrias  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 11:45:38am

re: #267 avanti

I often watch Fox, just to see what those to the right of me are thinking, but recently, I think they've been absorbed by the Borg. The inaugural coverage is very upbeat, hope and changey. I wonder if they are in danger of losing rating share by not giving you guys channel to watch.

* * *
not giving you guys channel to watch

Go get tingly legged with MSNBC, idiot!

Why shouldn't Americans celebrate [and Fox News cover] our country's peaceful transfer of power traditions in a beautiful ceremony that is unique to our country?

339 loppyd  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 11:45:39am

re: #303 MandyManners

I hope he's cured!

Thanks, Mandy.

340 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 11:46:19am

re: #326 Killgore Trout

In another article from this morning he said that a few days ago an Israeli tank was too close to his house so he made some calls and had it moved. With hamas I don't think you can even ask without getting killed. However, the doctor ends up covering up for Hamas like the UN does.

Didn't see that article. Thanks. Interesting.
Re Hamas, you're correct.
Re cover-up/excusitis, that's my primary take on it

341 reine.de.tout  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 11:47:12am

re: #333 Wishing

That is one helluva pilot!

Yes.
And the boat fellows deserve a whole lot of credit, also.

342 loppyd  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 11:47:51am

re: #336 Guanxi88

How could you get lost? last time I was there, it was right there by the T-stop at Harvard and Comm, as I should have written. Corner of Beacon and Comm would be down in Kenmore. There was a packy there once, but I think the whole place went upscale.

Doesn't ring a bell.

The last time I got lost it was going to a place that has great wings, but the name escapes me. I know Boston like the back of my hand, but Alston/Brighton always trip me up.

343 avanti  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 11:48:04am

re: #304 DeafDog

In 6 months to a year, when O-nitwit gets railroaded out of town, they will all be holding pitchforks.

You nailed my main concern. I've worked with some of the most fired up young folks that may well be disillusioned if he can't fix everything in a few weeks. My son for example, never even voted before, but actually knocked on doors this time, and has higher hopes then can be delivered.

344 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 11:48:07am

Didn't even consider the current of the river. Such a dunce.

345 jcm  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 11:48:25am

re: #341 reine.de.tout

Yes.
And the boat fellows deserve a whole lot of credit, also.

4 minutes from splash to pulling the first people aboard.

346 loppyd  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 11:48:41am

re: #337 jwb7605

How the heck could you possibly get lost in Brighton?

I'd bet you an Obama commemorative coin you'd get lost in Brighton, MA.

347 nyc redneck  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 11:48:51am

re: #294 reine.de.tout

And that does indeed look like a "landing", not a crash.
Simply awesome.

yes, and not much more splash than an olympic diver.
that pilot should get a gold medal.

348 yma o hyd  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 11:48:58am

Hm.

The IDF must continue Operation Cast Lead against Hamas in Gaza until it achieves its objectives, "including the effective closure of the arms trafficking routes in Gaza," said representatives of the Likud party, Saturday.

Looks to me that Bibi will be the next Israeli Premier, and that Kadima will be out if the cabinet agrees to a cease fire which makes all of Israel ask themselves why they started this in the first place.

349 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 11:49:32am

re: #332 goddessoftheclassroom

MWAH!

MMMMMMMMMWAH!

350 jwb7605  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 11:49:52am

re: #346 loppyd

I'd bet you an Obama commemorative coin you'd get lost in Brighton, MA.

I'd bet you the coin back I'd get lost driving to find MA, first! :)

351 Cathypop  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 11:49:55am

re: #343 avanti

You nailed my main concern. I've worked with some of the most fired up young folks that may well be disillusioned if he can't fix everything in a few weeks. My son for example, never even voted before, but actually knocked on doors this time, and has higher hopes then can be delivered.


Get ready for alot of these idiots to start crying "It's not fair"

352 reine.de.tout  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 11:49:55am

re: #345 jcm

4 minutes from splash to pulling the first people aboard.

Amazingly fast.
The whole incident is just wonderful.
How nice it is we can view video of this incident and it shows a good ending, not a gruesome one.

353 Wishing  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 11:50:01am

re: #348 yma o hyd

Hm.

The IDF must continue Operation Cast Lead against Hamas in Gaza until it achieves its objectives, "including the effective closure of the arms trafficking routes in Gaza," said representatives of the Likud party, Saturday.

Looks to me that Bibi will be the next Israeli Premier, and that Kadima will be out if the cabinet agrees to a cease fire which makes all of Israel ask themselves why they started this in the first place.

No ceasefire on Israel's part unless it is after a complete surrender! PLEASE!

354 Nevergiveup  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 11:50:07am

re: #345 jcm

4 minutes from splash to pulling the first people aboard.

It takes alot longer than that just to get back to the terminal when your plane lands at an airport!

355 Guanxi88  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 11:51:00am

re: #342 loppyd

Doesn't ring a bell.

The last time I got lost it was going to a place that has great wings, but the name escapes me. I know Boston like the back of my hand, but Alston/Brighton always trip me up.

Eh, the city proper was always a nice place, but I dwelt in the slums of Allston/Brighton many a year. There was a really good wing place one stop before Harvard and Comm (I'm talkin' B line, ya dig) but I can't recall the name at the moment.

Tripping up in the A/B was always easy, especially after a stop at Marty's, and, right next door, Fatty Arbuckles, for a beer and burger.

Is the Pourhouse still on Boylston?

356 jwb7605  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 11:52:09am

re: #346 loppyd

I'd bet you an Obama commemorative coin you'd get lost in Brighton, MA.

Just to make things interesting, my wife is visiting her sisters in Bridgeport this 3 day weekend. She's driving, and I expect to see her about 2:30 PM Monday afternoon.

357 Guanxi88  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 11:52:10am

re: #346 loppyd

I'd bet you an Obama commemorative coin you'd get lost in Brighton, MA.

Yes, streets laid out sort of "naturally' as it were. No rhyme or reason to it, it seemed like

358 Shay4l  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 11:52:19am

I watched it and am amazed at this landing. If it was not perfect, the passengers would not have had the intact wings to stand on. Five minutes in water that cold, flotation device or not, would have finished off most of them. Plus they would have been scattered by the current.

359 loppyd  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 11:52:23am

re: #350 jwb7605

I'd bet you the coin back I'd get lost driving to find MA, first! :)

Head east for a day then pick up the Mass Pike. Simple Simon.

360 loppyd  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 11:53:05am

re: #357 Guanxi88

Yes, streets laid out sort of "naturally' as it were. No rhyme or reason to it, it seemed like

It seemed like it because it's true!

361 jcm  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 11:53:12am

re: #352 reine.de.tout

Amazingly fast.
The whole incident is just wonderful.
How nice it is we can view video of this incident and it shows a good ending, not a gruesome one.

When I first heard, plane down in the Hudson, I thought oh crap and had visions of a debris field. When I saw the intact plane, I knew most would survive.

362 rightymouse  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 11:53:20am

re: #355 Guanxi88


Went to China Town in Boston a couple of years ago when #3 son turned 21 (he was at Northeastern at the time). Had about 8 of us for dim sum lunch. $40. Almost fell off my chair.

363 Desert Dog  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 11:53:37am

re: #343 avanti

You nailed my main concern. I've worked with some of the most fired up young folks that may well be disillusioned if he can't fix everything in a few weeks. My son for example, never even voted before, but actually knocked on doors this time, and has higher hopes then can be delivered.

So much has been poured into this man that there is no way he can possibly fulfill the hopes and dreams of his followers. He is already showing he is going to be a different President than he campaigned on with his cabinet picks. He won the nomination and developed the core of his supporters by running very left. As soon as he wrapped that up, he veered to the center and looks to stay there for a while. He will have to placate the leftwing of the Dems at some point. I do not envy his position, with all that is going on the in world. I just hope he doesn't screw things up even more than they already are. If he comes in and starts to raise taxes and increase federal spending as he is proposing, it's going to be a very tough 4 years for him and for us.

364 Gella  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 11:54:24am

[Link: www.airliners.net...]

A New York City Police boat stands by the remains of N106US in the Hudson River

365 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 11:54:31am

re: #362 rightymouse

Went to China Town in Boston a couple of years ago when #3 son turned 21 (he was at Northeastern at the time). Had about 8 of us for dim sum lunch. $40. Almost fell off my chair.

$40's certainly not a dim sum.

366 jcm  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 11:54:51am

On the streaming video of lifting the plane, it will be a slow lift, letting the water drain out as they lift.

367 loppyd  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 11:55:00am

re: #355 Guanxi88

Eh, the city proper was always a nice place, but I dwelt in the slums of Allston/Brighton many a year. There was a really good wing place one stop before Harvard and Comm (I'm talkin' B line, ya dig) but I can't recall the name at the moment.

Tripping up in the A/B was always easy, especially after a stop at Marty's, and, right next door, Fatty Arbuckles, for a beer and burger.

Is the Pourhouse still on Boylston?

Was it Biff's or something like that?

Pourhouse still there. Many a fun night spent there!

368 rightymouse  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 11:55:12am

re: #365 pre-Boomer Marine brat

$40's certainly not a dim sum.


Great sum!

369 avanti  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 11:55:23am

re: #338 alegrias

* * *
not giving you guys channel to watch

Go get tingly legged with MSNBC, idiot!

Why shouldn't Americans celebrate [and Fox News cover] our country's peaceful transfer of power traditions in a beautiful ceremony that is unique to our country?

Hey, I voted for the guy,and I just thought Fox might not cover it quite the same, or as heavily as CNN, or MSNBC. From my prospective, I thought I noticed Fox becoming less critical, but I might be wrong.

370 nyc redneck  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 11:55:54am

this video really shows the american "can do" attitude.
you could just feel that this potentially disastrous situation was going to unfold
beautifully.
everyone here is a hero. for remaining calm and working together.
how inspiring.

371 alegrias  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 11:55:58am

re: #325 Cathypop

I can't remember what they are called. Its dough with port inside and they are steamed (I think). Have not had a good one in ages. A lady I worked with would get a care package of them from her mom and I would swap my moms cinnamon rolls for hers pork thingies. What are they called?

* * **
Several POWs among John McCain's circle of friends eat this Vietnamese THING at their annual Tet Celebration. Well they don't actually EAT it, just give it to each other to pass from freezer to freezer as a joke.

Maybe the Viet Cong fed it to our POWs, not sure.

372 loppyd  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 11:56:07am

re: #356 jwb7605

Just to make things interesting, my wife is visiting her sisters in Bridgeport this 3 day weekend. She's driving, and I expect to see her about 2:30 PM Monday afternoon.

We're expecting snow overnight Sunday into Monday up here....hope she misses that.

373 Guanxi88  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 11:56:23am

re: #362 rightymouse

Went to China Town in Boston a couple of years ago when #3 son turned 21 (he was at Northeastern at the time). Had about 8 of us for dim sum lunch. $40. Almost fell off my chair.

Ahh, yes! beantown's Chinatown, nestled by the Commons, the Combat Zone, and the Leather District. Good times.

Little-appreciated fact: you could always get a drink after-hours in a Chinese joint if you knew how to ask. "Special cold tea" was the name. "I'd like a pot of special cold tea with my meal," you'd say.

Without batting an eye, they'd ask "Sam Adams, Budweiser, what?"

Said once "Scotch." By the Yellow Emperor, I got scotch in my teapot.

374 Desert Dog  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 11:56:29am

re: #348 yma o hyd

Hm.

The IDF must continue Operation Cast Lead against Hamas in Gaza until it achieves its objectives, "including the effective closure of the arms trafficking routes in Gaza," said representatives of the Likud party, Saturday.

Looks to me that Bibi will be the next Israeli Premier, and that Kadima will be out if the cabinet agrees to a cease fire which makes all of Israel ask themselves why they started this in the first place.

Lebanon II

If you do not finish what you start, YOU LOSE! Hamas will crawl out of their holes, dust themselves off and announce to the world they have REPELLED the invaders and will come out even stronger than before. The current Israeli government has the guts to pull that trigger, but is seriously lacking in the spinal material necessary to see it through....

375 ArmyWife  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 11:56:47am

re: #299 faraway

So The One can schmooze with Sheila Dixon, our indicted mayor. Barry should feel right at home here.

376 Nevergiveup  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 11:56:59am

re: #369 avanti

Hey, I voted for the guy,and I just thought Fox might not cover it quite the same, or as heavily as CNN, or MSNBC. From my prospective, I thought I noticed Fox becoming less critical, but I might be wrong.

Your not wrong about FOX, but as for your vote.......

377 Guanxi88  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 11:57:43am

re: #367 loppyd

Was it Biff's or something like that?

Pourhouse still there. Many a fun night spent there!

Oh, waxing nostalgic, I am now. Miss the place, miss it badly. Cost of living and crappy weather (but mostly the cost) sent me elsewhere. A great place to be a young man.

378 jwb7605  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 11:57:54am

re: #372 loppyd

We're expecting snow overnight Sunday into Monday up here....hope she misses that.

She should. This is 3 miles from town.

379 Syrah  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 11:57:54am

re: #343 avanti

You nailed my main concern. I've worked with some of the most fired up young folks that may well be disillusioned if he can't fix everything in a few weeks. My son for example, never even voted before, but actually knocked on doors this time, and has higher hopes then can be delivered.

Maybe you could remind him of what happened to Carter when he won and how the hill Democrats treated him like an afterthought.

The One will have to contend with two speakers who think that they should be able to set and control his agenda.

380 avanti  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 11:58:31am

re: #351 Cathypop

Get ready for alot of these idiots to start crying "It's not fair"

I would never call them idiots, over motivated and perhaps naive. but bright young folks.

381 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 11:58:47am

re: #368 rightymouse

Great sum!

I'd say you had a valid Mongolian beef.

382 alegrias  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 11:58:49am

re: #344 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Didn't even consider the current of the river. Such a dunce.

* * * *
Geraldo Rivera said the other night he sails the Hudson River and it can be very choppy and difficult.

Our Pilot landed on the smooth Hudson on a frigid lucky day.

383 UberInfidel67  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 11:59:14am

Rant on:

Current temperature in Pittsburgh = 3 frakkin' degrees
Current status of furnace = INOPERABLE
Current status of my ass = frozen off

Brrrrrrrrrrrrrr

/I'm done

384 Guanxi88  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 11:59:29am

re: #381 pre-Boomer Marine brat

I'd say you had a valid Mongolian beef.

You get an eggroll with it, too.

385 loppyd  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 12:00:13pm

re: #378 jwb7605

She should. This is 3 miles from town.

You fooled me!

I was thinking Bridgeport, CT and I was also thinking she might want to bring a kevlar vest - very dangerous city.

386 loppyd  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 12:00:57pm

re: #383 UberInfidel67

Rant on:

Current temperature in Pittsburgh = 3 frakkin' degrees
Current status of furnace = INOPERABLE
Current status of my ass = frozen off

Brrrrrrrrrrrrrr

/I'm done

That is one giant suck pill. I'm sorry!

387 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 12:01:07pm

re: #366 jcm

On the streaming video of lifting the plane, it will be a slow lift, letting the water drain out as they lift.

No before the EPA declares all the Hudson downstream to be a SuperFund site. Polution from those toilets. WE'RE ALL GONNA DIE!

388 avanti  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 12:01:20pm

re: #379 Syrah

Maybe you could remind him of what happened to Carter when he won and how the hill Democrats treated him like an afterthought.

The One will have to contend with two speakers who think that they should be able to set and control his agenda.

If he lets those far left folks control his agenda, I'll be both disappointed and surprised.

389 Guanxi88  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 12:01:38pm

re: #325 Cathypop

I can't remember what they are called. Its dough with port inside and they are steamed (I think). Have not had a good one in ages. A lady I worked with would get a care package of them from her mom and I would swap my moms cinnamon rolls for hers pork thingies. What are they called?

Bao. Ban Bao, I think.

390 jwb7605  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 12:02:46pm

re: #385 loppyd

You fooled me!

I was thinking Bridgeport, CT and I was also thinking she might want to bring a kevlar vest - very dangerous city.

When we got married, she told me there was a Bridgeport in all but 3 states of the union (lower 48, I think). Her younger sister's husband has a brother that ran a hardware store in Bridgeport, California. I'd been to that store!

391 alegrias  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 12:03:00pm

re: #369 avanti

Hey, I voted for the guy,and I just thought Fox might not cover it quite the same, or as heavily as CNN, or MSNBC. From my prospective, I thought I noticed Fox becoming less critical, but I might be wrong.

* * * *
If Fox news [or ANY reporter] isn't fawning over Obama 100% of the time, you consider that "critical"?

Yes, you can--only handle one-party, 100% fawning propagandizing.
You might be happier watching NPR or other purveyors of fake but accurate news.

392 rightymouse  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 12:04:02pm

re: #373 Guanxi88

Ahh, yes! beantown's Chinatown, nestled by the Commons, the Combat Zone, and the Leather District. Good times.

Little-appreciated fact: you could always get a drink after-hours in a Chinese joint if you knew how to ask. "Special cold tea" was the name. "I'd like a pot of special cold tea with my meal," you'd say.

Without batting an eye, they'd ask "Sam Adams, Budweiser, what?"

Said once "Scotch." By the Yellow Emperor, I got scotch in my teapot.


lol! Never tried that one.

393 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 12:04:09pm

re: #374 Desert Dog

Lebanon II

If you do not finish what you start, YOU LOSE! Hamas will crawl out of their holes, dust themselves off and announce to the world they have REPELLED the invaders and will come out even stronger than before. The current Israeli government has the guts to pull that trigger, but is seriously lacking in the spinal material necessary to see it through....

Did they really "have the guts", or was it merely positioning themselves prior to the election?

/send the Cabinet on a yacht cruise off the Somali coast.

394 Empire1  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 12:04:15pm

re: #267 avanti

I often watch Fox, just to see what those to the right of me are thinking, but recently, I think they've been absorbed by the Borg. The inaugural coverage is very upbeat, hope and changey. I wonder if they are in danger of losing rating share by not giving you guys channel to watch.

They're losing one watcher, at least. I've had the TV on, hoping to see something about the salvage of the Airbus, but it's been Obama's Train all day, except for a very brief bit about the cop in California shooting someone. I'll admit I've had the mute on to avoid Obamagasms, so I might have missed a brief bit, but I've gotten more real news right here than I have from that supposed news channel.

395 debutaunt  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 12:04:24pm

re: #366 jcm

On the streaming video of lifting the plane, it will be a slow lift, letting the water drain out as they lift.

When will the fuel be pumped out?

396 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 12:06:43pm

re: #384 Guanxi88

You get an eggroll with it, too.

Sounds like she merely got rolled.

/on the other hand, less bad cholesterol

397 rightymouse  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 12:07:34pm

re: #389 Guanxi88

Bao. Ban Bao, I think.

All the steamed buns are called 'bao', right? They have different types of fillings. In Thailand, we called them 'sala bao'.

398 jcm  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 12:07:41pm

re: #387 pre-Boomer Marine brat

No before the EPA declares all the Hudson downstream to be a SuperFund site. Polution from those toilets. WE'RE ALL GONNA DIE!

All the heavy metals in those electronic devices leaching into the river!
OH! the horror!

399 loppyd  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 12:08:02pm

re: #390 jwb7605

When we got married, she told me there was a Bridgeport in all but 3 states of the union (lower 48, I think). Her younger sister's husband has a brother that ran a hardware store in Bridgeport, California. I'd been to that store!

It was destiny. :~)

400 Guanxi88  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 12:08:03pm

re: #392 rightymouse

lol! Never tried that one.

Great thing about the real mom & pop operations - they serve the customers. These folks considered the liquor laws a sort of interesting local custom or superstition. They respected it, of course, but it didn't mean anything to them.

A Chinese guy explained it to me once. "A business license by the register is the Western version of the chan chu. We have one there because everybody expects it to be there, but it's no more necessary to us than a money toad is to you."

Funny guy, and a very good businessman.

401 Syrah  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 12:08:16pm

re: #388 avanti

If he lets those far left folks control his agenda, I'll be both disappointed and surprised.

He will have a very tough time keeping all of those cooks from pissing in his soup. Many of them see him as a newcomer, an upstart, a pretender, who will have to heed their demands and toe their Party line. Besides, they will write his bills and put him in the corner of having to sign their log-rolled abominations or do with out. When the bills are put on his desk, he can do little but sign or veto.

With a Democrat controlled Congress, I don't see an vetoes of in his future.

402 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 12:08:31pm

re: #395 debutaunt

When will the fuel be pumped out?

Good question.
Can they get to the fittings to do such with the plane still in the water?
I don't know.

403 jcm  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 12:08:33pm

re: #395 debutaunt

When will the fuel be pumped out?

Most likely after, less chance of a leak.

404 Cato the Elder  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 12:08:59pm

When will PETA finally stand up for the sky kittens?

405 Guanxi88  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 12:09:02pm

re: #397 rightymouse

All the steamed buns are called 'bao', right? They have different types of fillings. In Thailand, we called them 'sala bao'.

Yes, "bao" it is. The term has come to refer to certain "naughty bits" on women, as well.

406 [deleted]  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 12:09:36pm
407 J'accuzzi  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 12:09:44pm

The speed of the current and the potential for post crash disaster from collisions and mass drownings at any time during the rescue procedures makes the fatality free nature of the event even more remarkable.

I'm surprised that the all-knowing, all-scrutinizing, MSM, haven't remarked on the fact that the right wing passengers were the FIRST to be rescued. There must be something evil in that.

408 BenZacharia  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 12:09:49pm

re: #395 debutaunt

When will the fuel be pumped out?

The security camera last nite showed a buncha dudes in a lowrider with a rubber hose going after it.

409 avanti  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 12:09:51pm

re: #391 alegrias

* * * *
If Fox news [or ANY reporter] isn't fawning over Obama 100% of the time, you consider that "critical"?

Yes, you can--only handle one-party, 100% fawning propagandizing.
You might be happier watching NPR or other purveyors of fake but accurate news.

I did not say anything of the sort. I watch Fox just because I want a different prospective. Fox appeals to a more conservative audience and I sensed a tack to the middle and you may disagree. MSNBC is still unwatchable to me and I'm to the left of you.

410 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 12:09:56pm

re: #398 jcm

All the heavy metals in those electronic devices leaching into the river!
OH! the horror!

GAACK!
Heavy metals!
How's it even staying afloat?
THERE'S GOTTA BE A COVER-UP GOING ON!
TROOF!

411 jcm  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 12:11:00pm

re: #408 BenZacharia

The security camera last nite showed a buncha dudes in a lowrider with a rubber hose going after it.

Hose or spill boom?

412 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 12:11:07pm

re: #407 J'accuzzi

The speed of the current and the potential for post crash disaster from collisions and mass drownings at any time during the rescue procedures makes the fatality free nature of the event even more remarkable.

I'm surprised that the all-knowing, all-scrutinizing, MSM, haven't remarked on the fact that the right wing passengers were the FIRST to be rescued. There must be something evil in that.

Good catch!
I'm gonna sit on the right-hand side from now on.

413 jwb7605  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 12:11:39pm

re: #410 pre-Boomer Marine brat

GAACK!
Heavy metals!
How's it even staying afloat?
THERE'S GOTTA BE A COVER-UP GOING ON!
TROOF!

That's why the plane didn't burn! Everybody knows that!

414 jcm  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 12:11:56pm

re: #410 pre-Boomer Marine brat

GAACK!
Heavy metals!
How's it even staying afloat?
THERE'S GOTTA BE A COVER-UP GOING ON!
TROOF!

How does metal float and fly anyway?
/////

415 BenZacharia  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 12:14:20pm

re: #411 jcm

Hose or spill boom?

3 feet of garden hose and a 5 gallon can

416 rightymouse  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 12:14:21pm

re: #400 Guanxi88

Great thing about the real mom & pop operations - they serve the customers. These folks considered the liquor laws a sort of interesting local custom or superstition. They respected it, of course, but it didn't mean anything to them.

A Chinese guy explained it to me once. "A business license by the register is the Western version of the chan chu. We have one there because everybody expects it to be there, but it's no more necessary to us than a money toad is to you."

Funny guy, and a very good businessman.

Great story!

My favorite Chinese restaurant here is owned/run by a Chinese-American born and bred from Connecticut. He has a liquor license so he can charge $7.50 for a glass of house Chardonnay and get away with it because his cook makes the best food on the planet. People pay a small fortune to even have lunch there.

Despite the 'economy'...the place was packed there last week for lunch. Go figure.

417 Quintus_Arius  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 12:15:10pm

Quoted from another blog..."...did you know that Sullenberger is graduate of the U.S. Air Force Academy, Class of '73? Their motto is "Duty, Honor, Country." Pretty old fashioned, huh?"

418 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 12:15:25pm

re: #413 jwb7605

That's why the plane didn't burn! Everybody knows that!

And who caused the weather to be so mild?!
The Pentagon could be testing a new weapon, right?

/btw, once saw an F-8 go in off the cat. That guppy mouth isn't quite what you want on your bird at that moment.

419 jcm  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 12:16:23pm

re: #408 BenZacharia

The security camera last nite showed a buncha dudes in a lowrider with a rubber hose going after it.

Pumping it before would be complicated. Air is more bouyant that fuel, as you pump it out the stability of the plane would change, and it would shift in unexpect ways. It would be safer to drain the tanks on a firm surface than pumping them out in the water.

From the looks of the crane a fueled plane would be a light lift.

420 jcm  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 12:16:49pm

re: #415 BenZacharia

3 feet of garden hose and a 5 gallon can

LOL!

That's a job that would suck!

421 rightymouse  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 12:17:02pm

re: #405 Guanxi88

Yes, "bao" it is. The term has come to refer to certain "naughty bits" on women, as well.

Boobies? Well...yes...I can see why that could happen. :)

422 jwb7605  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 12:17:21pm

re: #418 pre-Boomer Marine brat

And who caused the weather to be so mild?!
The Pentagon could be testing a new weapon, right?

/btw, once saw an F-8 go in off the cat. That guppy mouth isn't quite what you want on your bird at that moment.

Things got "iffy" once or twice in 'high winds and heavy seas' weather. Same with the A-7. No flameouts, but an audible hiccup.

423 jcm  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 12:17:28pm

re: #418 pre-Boomer Marine brat

And who caused the weather to be so mild?!
The Pentagon could be testing a new weapon, right?

/btw, once saw an F-8 go in off the cat. That guppy mouth isn't quite what you want on your bird at that moment.

Cold shots are a bitch. Driver eject okay?

424 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 12:18:25pm

re: #414 jcm

How does metal float and fly anyway?
/////

It's because the plane has lights.
Ever see a metal airplane which DIDN'T have lights?
They all do. It's the only way they're light enough to fly.

*ducking under the desk*

425 Guanxi88  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 12:19:35pm

re: #421 rightymouse

Boobies? Well...yes...I can see why that could happen. :)

Well, yes, but as they are naughty bits, I thought it best not to name them. But, yes, fun bags.

426 jcm  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 12:20:28pm

re: #424 pre-Boomer Marine brat

It's because the plane has lights.
Ever see a metal airplane which DIDN'T have lights?
They all do. It's the only way they're light enough to fly.

*ducking under the desk*

COOL! Grabs a desk lamp and jumps off the roof............

427 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 12:21:14pm

re: #422 jwb7605

Things got "iffy" once or twice in 'high winds and heavy seas' weather. Same with the A-7. No flameouts, but an audible hiccup.

216 had a bird hit the round-down. Bad. Plane broke into 4 pieces. Pilot died (I heard because of fire in the O2 line.)

428 jwb7605  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 12:21:29pm

re: #426 jcm

COOL! Grabs a desk lamp and jumps off the roof............

JCM! Stop! That doesn't work without the tin foil hat!

429 DeafDog  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 12:21:56pm

re: #343 avanti

You nailed my main concern. I've worked with some of the most fired up young folks that may well be disillusioned if he can't fix everything in a few weeks. My son for example, never even voted before, but actually knocked on doors this time, and has higher hopes then can be delivered.

With all due respect, the "hopes" that were espoised by 'o-nitwit' are not 'high' hopes, IMO. When he says, "Spreading the wealth," I hear "Sharing the misery."

430 Shay4l  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 12:22:37pm

re: #383 UberInfidel67

Rant on:

Current temperature in Pittsburgh = 3 frakkin' degrees
Current status of furnace = INOPERABLE
Current status of my ass = frozen off

Brrrrrrrrrrrrrr

/I'm done

Stay in a hotel until it's fixed.

Serious!

431 rightymouse  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 12:22:48pm

re: #425 Guanxi88

Well, yes, but as they are naughty bits, I thought it best not to name them. But, yes, fun bags.

I'm a chick, so I'd have to say that the real bao are more tasty. :)

432 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 12:23:19pm

re: #426 jcm

COOL! Grabs a desk lamp and jumps off the roof............

*sicking head out of window ... looking up ... looking down ... barfing*

Dear goddess, we have an addition to make to the prayer list ...

/

433 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 12:23:54pm

re: #432 pre-Boomer Marine brat

*sicking head out of window ... looking up ... looking down ... barfing*

Dear goddess, we have an addition to make to the prayer list ...

/

PIMF sticking

434 jwb7605  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 12:24:41pm

re: #427 pre-Boomer Marine brat

216 had a bird hit the round-down. Bad. Plane broke into 4 pieces. Pilot died (I heard because of fire in the O2 line.)

I have a photo of an F-8 landing, looks like a "cool normal photo" just before the actual touchdown.
I snapped the shot, and when the mirror came back up (Canon FT/QL), there was a big ball of fire coming down the flight deck. Marine on the fantail actually lived through it. Pilot didn't.

435 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 12:24:56pm

re: #423 jcm

Cold shots are a bitch. Driver eject okay?


Don't remember how, but he did get out okay. Helo picked him up, IIRC.

436 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 12:25:34pm

re: #434 jwb7605

I have a photo of an F-8 landing, looks like a "cool normal photo" just before the actual touchdown.
I snapped the shot, and when the mirror came back up (Canon FT/QL), there was a big ball of fire coming down the flight deck. Marine on the fantail actually lived through it. Pilot didn't.

DAMN!

437 jcm  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 12:27:00pm

re: #427 pre-Boomer Marine brat

216 had a bird hit the round-down. Bad. Plane broke into 4 pieces. Pilot died (I heard because of fire in the O2 line.)

I remember reading, in some book on Naval Aviation about incident during Korean. Pilot of a F9F Cougar had a flame out on final, ended up hitting the stern.
Huge explosion, plane parts every where. the Cockpit slide into the hanger deck, the pilot scrambles out and dives down the hatch to escape the fire, breaking his ankle in the process. He calls up and tells the air boss where he is the air boss calls him a sick fucker for joking around like that and hangs up.

I don't remember the book and haven't seen the story anywhere else, so I tend to think it's a sea tale.

438 jcm  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 12:27:53pm

re: #434 jwb7605

I have a photo of an F-8 landing, looks like a "cool normal photo" just before the actual touchdown.
I snapped the shot, and when the mirror came back up (Canon FT/QL), there was a big ball of fire coming down the flight deck. Marine on the fantail actually lived through it. Pilot didn't.

WHOA!

439 Shay4l  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 12:28:33pm

re: #417 Quintus_Arius

Quoted from another blog..."...did you know that Sullenberger is graduate of the U.S. Air Force Academy, Class of '73? Their motto is "Duty, Honor, Country." Pretty old fashioned, huh?"

That does not surprise me.

440 Guanxi88  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 12:30:29pm

re: #431 rightymouse

I'm a chick, so I'd have to say that the real bao are more tasty. :)

Both are good, but I dodge the swine (in bao and ladies).

441 jwb7605  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 12:31:07pm

re: #436 pre-Boomer Marine brat

re: #438 jcm

If I were actually combat-photographer material, I would have had the presence of mind to snap another shot off.
Instead, I ran like hell to the starboard side of the island.
Turned out (because of the angle deck design) I would have been OK.

442 caligal  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 12:32:14pm

how come no one scrambled to be on top of the fuselage?

443 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 12:32:45pm

re: #437 jcm

sea tale.

Sounds like it. Most carriers off Korea were Essex Class. Hancock and Oriskany were different, but probably not much different.

The ONLY access from the fantail to Bay 3 were two rather wide hatches, one on either side. A Cougar's nose could have made it through one of them.

/jus' sayin' .... "COULD"

444 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 12:34:05pm

re: #441 jwb7605

re: #438 jcm

If I were actually combat-photographer material, I would have had the presence of mind to snap another shot off.
Instead, I ran like hell to the starboard side of the island.
Turned out (because of the angle deck design) I would have been OK.

If I'd been there with you, you'd have had footprints up the back of your jersey.

445 Shay4l  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 12:35:09pm

OT there's a nasty virus spreading very quickly many times by infected USB drives. How many of you plug your own flash drives into company computers after plugging it in at home?


Flash drives are like unprotected sex with prostitutes. You never know what was in the last "port".

446 Catttt  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 12:38:11pm

I'm in awe of the pilot and his crew, the passengers, and all the various boats, passengers, and crews that helped. And I know that Captain Hero doesn't want to be called a hero, but he's a hero. I keep catching myself doing that gaping in awe thing.

Skill and lots of practice saved 155 lives.

447 jcm  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 12:39:27pm

re: #443 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Sounds like it. Most carriers off Korea were Essex Class. Hancock and Oriskany were different, but probably not much different.

The ONLY access from the fantail to Bay 3 were two rather wide hatches, one on either side. A Cougar's nose could have made it through one of them.

/jus' sayin' .... "COULD"

I know of a similar type of incident because it happen to a classmate of my dads and he had pictures and everything. He drove F-86s in Korea. The NorKos would string cables across valleys to discourage pilots from going low. He snagged a cable and ripped the belly off his plane. He lands back a base long and hot goes off the end of the runway in a ball of fire. The part in front of the engine, nose and cockpit slide clear on the far side of the fire ball. He being a little in shock knows he has to check in at the infirmary. So he grabs a jeep someone left at the scene while put the fire and heads over.

He gets to the infirmary and they are setting up for a gravely injured pilot and tell him to sit and wait. He did and dozes off. Meanwhile everyone is combing the wreckage for his body. He a bunch of people pissed at him for scaring the crap out of them.

448 Catttt  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 12:43:27pm

I think President Bush and President-Elect Obama should jointly give Captain Sully the Presidential Medal of Freedom.

449 mattm  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 12:43:55pm

What are the odds you hit a flock of geese, are over a rover and able to land in said river with no injuries. Amazing.

450 path  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 12:46:13pm

re: #346 loppyd

I've gotten lost in Brighton, MA on lots of occasions - thanks anyway but, I'll skip the coin. BTW, I also manage to get lost in Boston, Brookline, Newton, Alston and other places. GPS - it's a wonderful thing.

451 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 12:48:20pm

re: #447 jcm

THAT sounds reasonable!

One of my squadron's pilots hit a power transmission line above a Filipino valley. Was flying out of Cubi while the ship was in port. Scraped the belly of the plane clean. Don't remember whether he had to bail or not. Might have. Might not.

He was damned lucky. A few feet less altitude and he would have gone beneath the power line.

452 path  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 12:49:07pm

re: #357 Guanxi88


Following the cow paths?

453 rightymouse  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 12:49:43pm

re: #440 Guanxi88

Both are good, but I dodge the swine (in bao and ladies).

Good plan. :)

Are you of Chinese heritage? My Dad was born in Mitu.

454 UberInfidel67  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 12:50:41pm

re: #430 Shay4l I'll tough it out until the furnace guy gets here. LOL I can't even type fast because my hands are freezing. Damn!

455 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 12:52:06pm

bbl

456 goddessoftheclassroom  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 12:52:36pm

re: #383 UberInfidel67

Rant on:

Current temperature in Pittsburgh = 3 frakkin' degrees
Current status of furnace = INOPERABLE
Current status of my ass = frozen off

Brrrrrrrrrrrrrr

/I'm done

Hey, Pittsburgh lizard! I'm in Indiana County!

457 rio tomcat  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 12:55:37pm

The pilot was awesome, he is a hero. Let's not forget the ferry skippers who picked up the passengers and crew. A mistake by one of them in the river current and that floating airliner sinks to the bottom. This is a case of outstanding airmanship and seamanship!

458 clgood  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 12:55:54pm

Charles:

As a pilot I beg you, please don't call it a "crash". That was a ditching, and Sully obviously had the plane in complete control. Rule number one of aviation: Fly the plane. It's the idiot reporters from the NYT who say things like "crash" and "fell into the water" and "airliners are not meant to glide".

As for the seat cushions, no. It looks like they had life vests. And, while the crew was very capable not all of the passengers were.

459 BenZacharia  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 12:56:12pm

re: #448 Catttt

I think President Bush and President-Elect Obama should jointly give Captain Sully the Presidential Medal of Freedom.

Dont't hold yer breath, GW gave it to a draft dodging america hating muslim and ignored todd beamer.

460 jcm  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 12:56:28pm

re: #451 pre-Boomer Marine brat

THAT sounds reasonable!

One of my squadron's pilots hit a power transmission line above a Filipino valley. Was flying out of Cubi while the ship was in port. Scraped the belly of the plane clean. Don't remember whether he had to bail or not. Might have. Might not.

He was damned lucky. A few feet less altitude and he would have gone beneath the power line.

They lost a few planes and pilots who took the cables a little higher.

461 jcm  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 12:58:06pm

re: #458 clgood

Charles:

As a pilot I beg you, please don't call it a "crash". That was a ditching, and Sully obviously had the plane in complete control. Rule number one of aviation: Fly the plane. It's the idiot reporters from the NYT who say things like "crash" and "fell into the water" and "airliners are not meant to glide".

As for the seat cushions, no. It looks like they had life vests. And, while the crew was very capable not all of the passengers were.

LOL! I yell at the TV every time some dimwit talking head says "crash" the plane flown, expertly all the way.

462 Guanxi88  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 1:00:13pm

re: #453 rightymouse

Good plan. :)

Are you of Chinese heritage? My Dad was born in Mitu.

Nope, but I've been surrounded by them for quite some time now, and have been more or less "adopted" by a Taiwanese clique.

463 rightymouse  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 1:03:00pm

re: #462 Guanxi88

Nope, but I've been surrounded by them for quite some time now, and have been more or less "adopted" by a Taiwanese clique.

Okey-dokey.

464 CofactorMatrix  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 1:03:39pm

I used to snicker at the "water landing" thing. No more.

465 mjwsatx  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 1:05:06pm

It took the ferries 4 minutes to reach the plane after it ditched in the Hudson. That's waaaaay too long. Some of the passengers got wet. It's all George Bush's fault.

466 jcm  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 1:09:25pm

NTSB briefing beginning.

467 jcm  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 1:11:32pm

re: #466 jcm

NTSB briefing beginning.

One engine still attached.
Airbus has no fuel dump capacity.

468 Guanxi88  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 1:12:39pm

re: #463 rightymouse

Okey-dokey.

I've been practically swimming in this culture, day-in and day-out for nearly a decade now.

469 Ojoe  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 1:15:27pm

re: #458 clgood

All your points are correct.

Hardly any are as ignorant as reporters; they show it every day.

And I bet "Sully's Seaplane" will fly again too.

470 twincitiesgirl  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 1:19:42pm

What a great story about both the pilot/crew and first responders. I don't know any of them but am so proud of the way they did their jobs and saved so many lives. Outstanding!

/now if someone could figure out how to make people move that fast when they exit during routine flights.

471 jcm  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 1:21:41pm

re: #470 twincitiesgirl

What a great story about both the pilot/crew and first responders. I don't know any of them but am so proud of the way they did their jobs and saved so many lives. Outstanding!

/now if someone could figure out how to make people move that fast when they exit during routine flights.

Easy....
I have a bomb Alluha Akbar!
//////

472 jcm  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 1:27:20pm

NTSB Briefing...

Moron reporter.

"Did they lose all power?"

NTSB reading transcript, pilot "Lost thrust, both engines!"

Hey dipstick the 320 has two engines!

473 Shiplord Kirel  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 1:31:06pm

re: #200 jcm

Cool!

The Dornier DO-24 has a fascinating history. It was designed in Nazi Germany before World War 2, but for the Dutch rather than the German government. The Dutch wanted an advanced seaplane for service in the Netherlands Indies (now Indonesia). It was put into production in the Netherlands and about 30 had been built before the Germans overran the country in 1940. The Germans kept the line going for their own use and the aircraft were used by Luftwaffe air-sea rescue and patrol units throughout World War 2. It also went into production in occupied France.

The Dutch DO-24s that had been delivered to the Indies were on hand when the Japanese attacked in 1941, and the aircraft saw heavy combat. Five escaped to Australia and were taken into the RAAF as the A-24. The DO-24 therefore has the distinction of fighting on both sides in the war.
Twelve were sold to Spain during the war and remained in service into the 1970s. The one in the video was bought back by Dornier and extensively modernized in an attempt to market an updated version.
Seaplane enthusiasts assert that the DO-24's rough water handline characteristics have never been equalled to this day.

474 debutaunt  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 1:45:06pm

re: #442 caligal

how come no one scrambled to be on top of the fuselage?

Steep and slippery?

475 BatGuano  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 2:02:18pm

re: #437 jcm

That story is told in Tom Wolfe's The Right Stuff, for one.

476 lostlakehiker  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 2:04:11pm

re: #7 Shug

After the United Airlines DC10 landed at Siuox City I think they tried to recreate the scenario in the simulator and nobody was ever able to pilot that plane to any sort of survivable landing.

I'd be interested to see what happens when they plug this scenario into the simulators.

My guess is that this was another 1 in a million landing, thanks to a brilliant pilot, a lot of training and a little good luck

Maybe not. Next time, the pilot will have trained on a simulation which incorporates everything learned from this event. Now we know just what speed, what attitude etc. works when you have to ditch. Next time won't be nearly as much a matter of conjecture, hope, and intuition. We'll have it down to a science.

Still, this is a proud day for New York City. Flight crew, ferry crew, coast guard, and passengers all did themselves proud. Unlike the disgraceful spectacles that have unfolded during various cruise ship accidents around the world [crew abandoning ship without telling the passengers, then, every man for himself, that sort of thing], this batch of passengers evacuated the women and children first, the crew stood to their duties unflinchingly, and the captain made doubly sure he was the last man off.

NYC may be politically liberal, but the city has shown again, as it showed on 9/11, that it has the Right Stuff.

477 Clutch  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 2:15:21pm

I love New York...
...ferry boat operators & crew. I'll bet that the passengers on the ferries helped out, too, so, what the heck...

I LOVE NEW YORK!

478 experiencedtraveller  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 2:24:52pm

Good catch freedomplow.

479 Steve  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 2:36:46pm

At 3:00 into the video you can watch a passenger walk to the end of the wing and fall/slip in.

480 Ojoe  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 2:50:52pm

re: #473 Shiplord Kirel

An amphibian like the DO 24 is the most flexible plane there is in terms of operability.

481 Ojoe  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 2:53:52pm

Super photo DO 24

482 Birdalone  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 3:23:15pm

re: #476 lostlakehiker

A VERY proud day for NYC, and do not think that any of those ferry captins/crew, FDNY or NYPD like being lumped in with the liberals. Everyone I saw on TV looked like all the McCain voters I know in NYC.


As to the seat cushions, the NYT had excellent reports in today's Metro section (NYT IS a local paper in this case). One about the passengers, and some passengers DID take their seat cushions. Another about the private ferry boats - 1st captain who saw it called Coast Guard and got to the plane in three minutes. Good thing, NYC 911 has problems when location is a body of water... Another article about the Captain.

Captain Sullenberger, former fighter pilot, is America's hero today for his quick thinking, excellent judgment, vast experience, and calm leadership. Maybe now the media will stop making fun of former fighter pilots like John McCain. Timing really is everything.

The captains and crews of the private ferry boats who also displayed the same qualities of calm professional instinctive (based on experience) action are also my role models for America. FDNY is ALWAYS terrific. Even the NYPD commandeered a Circle Line cruise ship, which had the capacity to complete the rescue.

Hudson River is actually an estuary and does not freeze, but people were up to their chests in 31 degree water. The two women who fell into Hudson were rescued by FDNY water rescue crew diving from their helicopter which got there in less than 15 minutes from Floyd Bennett Field in Brooklyn, at least 15 miles away.

Captain Sullenberger has nerves of steel - to be able to turn left over the Bronx Zoo, left again over Wave Hill Park on the Hudson and skim over the GWB with only 900 feet clearance, with no power? (my apartment was a few blocks away from this - a very hilly part of The Bronx)

New York wants the Captain to replace Hillary, but I bet he gets a nod for the NTSB and makes everyone revisit that rule about pilots retiring at 60. How about Air Force 1?


Surely there is a good liberal lawyer joke to come out of this...

483 Birdalone  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 3:41:07pm

and, so far, no claims that the Canadain geese that 'attacked' the engines
were really agents trained by Mossad to get US media off the Gaza story...

484 curt9988  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 4:04:59pm

re: #85 DeafDog

Sad as it is, I'd have no trouble believing that someone on the plane will sue somebody for something. Probably not the captain, but the airlines, the manufacturer, etc. Remember, when something bad happens to you, SUE!

485 Sarr  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 5:13:31pm

Hudson River? Twin towers in the background?

hummmmm

486 cincinnati_kid37  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 6:18:40pm

re: #485 Sarr

Hudson River? Twin towers in the background?

hummmmm

I admit to not being a NYC skyline expert, but damn if they don't look like the twin towers. What the hell?

487 Charles Johnson  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 6:53:45pm

Those are not the WTC towers, folks. Wrong part of Manhattan, and the WTC was more than a quarter again as high.

But I think I see Barack Obama's birth certificate on the deck of that boat in the foreground...

488 BatGuano  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 7:05:41pm

re: #487 Charles

I had the same thought as Sarr and Cincinnati, but I have never been east of Columbus, Ohio. It's only my second post and already I feel so provincial.

489 sarr  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 7:18:36pm

How sad it is that we have to be skeptical of what we see and read anymore thanks to our lovely drive-by-media.

490 BatGuano  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 7:32:35pm

re: #489 sarr

I'm not skeptical at all about the Hudson ditching, but I noticed those buildings. I never thought they were the WTC and I do not question Obama's birth certificate.

491 cincinnati_kid37  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 7:55:11pm

re: #487 Charles

re: #487 Charles


Thanks for the clarify.

492 cincinnati_kid37  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 7:56:44pm

PS - Here's a great Tommy.

Youtube Video
493 Tamron  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 9:00:51pm

Charles, Charles....

"Posted last night in our spinoff links by “freedomplow...”

I clearly posted that spinoff link last night, and a search for 'freedomplow' shows his last post to have been a couple of years ago.

Is Freedomplow using me as a proxy? Whassup?

Tamron
.

494 goforbroke  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 4:31:13pm

That changed quickly. The crew got two doors open. One water slide deployed automatically. The other had to be activated by hand. Passengers grabbed life preservers and seat cushions.

[Link: www.google.com...]
Well this if it hasn't been noticed before?


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