Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert may be about to announce a unilateral ceasefire in Gaza; there’s liveblogging going on at Israellycool, Israel Matzav, The Muqata, Mere Rhetoric, and Soccer Dad.
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MandyManners Sat, Jan 17, 2009 11:59:01am |
This would be an insult to everyone who's been killed or wounded by those Gazan missiles.
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Killian Bundy Sat, Jan 17, 2009 11:59:18am |
Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert may be about to announce a unilateral ceasefire in Gaza
/have the rockets stopped yet?
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Desert Dog Sat, Jan 17, 2009 11:59:29am |
A repeat from the last thread, but this one is a more appropriate venue:
Lebanon II
If you do not finish what you start, YOU LOSE! Hamas will crawl out of their holes, dust themselves off and announce to the world they have REPELLED the invaders and will come out even stronger than before. The current Israeli government has the guts to pull that trigger, but is seriously lacking in the spinal material necessary to see it through....
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Former Belgian Sat, Jan 17, 2009 12:02:01pm |
Am channel-zapping to catch press conference.
In my opinion, the only two options are unilateral ceasefire now or dragging feet for another couple of days. I am afraid anything that stretches beyond Tuesday is a political impossibility.
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loppyd Sat, Jan 17, 2009 12:02:03pm |
Did I miss something? Has Israel met her objectives?
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jcm Sat, Jan 17, 2009 12:02:17pm |
Crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and to hear the lamentation of the women! (at least till they cry no more)
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Racer X Sat, Jan 17, 2009 12:02:21pm |
Cease fire with lots of conditions. Freedom for Galid Shalit would be the first one. Israel is in the position to set the terms. Everyone else can eff off.
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Nevergiveup Sat, Jan 17, 2009 12:03:02pm |
Well lets see how this "cease fire" is worked? If Israel doesn't withdraw it's troops and responds to any Hamas violation, then it will be the shortest cease fire on record. But with Olmert.Livni, and Barak in charge I am dubious also.
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Lee Coller Sat, Jan 17, 2009 12:03:07pm |
Unilateral Cease Fire? Has there ever been any other kind there?
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General Nimrod Bodfish Sat, Jan 17, 2009 12:03:15pm |
re: #7 Wishing
We SHOULD be getting the Gaza cam back now?
Still can't get it going. Not sure what the problem is. Man, do I need my fix :P
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Killian Bundy Sat, Jan 17, 2009 12:03:41pm |
The Obama Express rolls through the countryside, Obama waving from the caboose.
/speakers blaring
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ArmyWife Sat, Jan 17, 2009 12:03:42pm |
Hamas has said that a unilateral cease fire by Israel will not be honored by Hamas and that it will not agree to a single Israeli soldier remaining in Gaza. Will that include Gilad Shalit?
Hamas says it won't respect it. So there you have it. War back on and in high definition as far as I am concerned.
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Former Belgian Sat, Jan 17, 2009 12:03:43pm |
Ayala Khasson (top Channel 1 journalist) now on screen in press room, waiting for security cabinet to come out.
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jcm Sat, Jan 17, 2009 12:04:12pm |
re: #12 Nevergiveup
Well lets see how this "cease fire" is worked? If Israel doesn't withdraw it's troops and responds to any Hamas violation, then it will be the shortest cease fire on record. But with Olmert.Livni, and Barak in charge I am dubious also.
Count down to next rocket 5... 4... 3...
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michael78244 Sat, Jan 17, 2009 12:04:14pm |
I don't like it, but if Israel gives the world a "cease fire" and Hamas continues to break it by firing rockets into Israel or gets caught attempting to rearm, then Israel can point to them and say "See, we tried, but Hamas wouldn't play nicely."
The world and American news agencies have been blaming Israel with no blame going to Hamas. Maybe, just maybe, Israel can garner a little good press from this. However, I'm not going to hold my breath.
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Nevergiveup Sat, Jan 17, 2009 12:04:17pm |
re: #11 Racer X
Cease fire with lots of conditions. Freedom for Galid Shalit would be the first one. Israel is in the position to set the terms. Everyone else can eff off.
I read just seconds ago the since the release of Shalit was NOT an objective, he is being forgotten again.
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loppyd Sat, Jan 17, 2009 12:04:27pm |
re: #15 Killian Bundy
The Obama Express rolls through the countryside, Obama waving from the caboose.
[Video]/speakers blaring
Love Train?
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Opilio Sat, Jan 17, 2009 12:05:05pm |
re: #18 loppyd
Can you Prime Minister BiBi?
I can prime a carburetor, but I confess I don't know how to prime a minister.
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akak Sat, Jan 17, 2009 12:05:07pm |
Egypt says no cease fire, good.
What does the Rice Livni understanding mean? Sharing smuggling info?
They weren't sharing before?
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Former Belgian Sat, Jan 17, 2009 12:05:45pm |
She says tomorrow evening state dinner of Olmert with British PM Brown, Angela Merkel, Sarkozy, the Czech president.
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Desert Dog Sat, Jan 17, 2009 12:06:09pm |
re: #24 Opilio
I can prime a carburetor, but I confess I don't know how to prime a minister.
pour a little gas on it and light it on fire
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loppyd Sat, Jan 17, 2009 12:06:10pm |
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Nevergiveup Sat, Jan 17, 2009 12:06:19pm |
re: #24 Opilio
I can prime a carburetor, but I confess I don't know how to prime a minister.
A couple of 100$ bills usually does the trick.
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Former Belgian Sat, Jan 17, 2009 12:07:21pm |
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Racer X Sat, Jan 17, 2009 12:07:53pm |
re: #22 Nevergiveup
I read just seconds ago the since the release of Shalit was NOT an objective, he is being forgotten again.
The fear is he is no longer alive. If that is the case and Israel is aware if this, they probably do not want to put the family through more grief than it has already endured. Closure would be nice though.
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vagabond trader Sat, Jan 17, 2009 12:08:19pm |
Great, an inauguration gift to the leader for life.
*spit*
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Former Belgian Sat, Jan 17, 2009 12:08:25pm |
She says that the big desire of the Europeans is that Abu Mazen will be able to take over the Gaza strip "the day after".
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jwb7605 Sat, Jan 17, 2009 12:08:39pm |
re: #24 Opilio
I can prime a carburetor, but I confess I don't know how to prime a minister.
You've got to have faith, and believe.
You have to give of yourself, before you're worthy to receive.
- "Desert Pete", Kingston Trio
/Barack Obama
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nyc redneck Sat, Jan 17, 2009 12:08:51pm |
why stop and give the jihadis breathing room and time to re-group and re-arm?
finish them off. it is the best move for all parties involved.
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Nevergiveup Sat, Jan 17, 2009 12:09:21pm |
re: #31 Racer X
The fear is he is no longer alive. If that is the case and Israel is aware if this, they probably do not want to put the family through more grief than it has already endured. Closure would be nice though.
I agree. I pray for him but I doubt he is still with us. Jews have never done terribly well as Arab prisoners.
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Killian Bundy Sat, Jan 17, 2009 12:09:30pm |
re: #25 akak
What does the Rice Livni understanding mean? Sharing smuggling info?
The U.S. is promising to crack down harder on land and sea arms shipments headed for Gaza.
/sure, that'll work
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Wishing Sat, Jan 17, 2009 12:09:36pm |
re: #33 Former Belgian
She says that the big desire of the Europeans is that Abu Mazen will be able to take over the Gaza strip "the day after".
What a complete joke. He will be dead within hours of doing that.
to the balestinians, he is already dead.
Another empty suit, with murderous intent.
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ruexperienced Sat, Jan 17, 2009 12:09:55pm |
Hamas must not be allowed to exist post-hostilities.
End of.
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Nevergiveup Sat, Jan 17, 2009 12:10:34pm |
re: #37 Killian Bundy
The U.S. is promising to crack down harder on land and sea arms shipments headed for Gaza.
/sure, that'll work
And so does that mean the US has been holding back all these years?
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Bob Dillon Sat, Jan 17, 2009 12:10:35pm |
Until the Hamas charter language calling for the death of all Jews and the destruction of Israel is eliminated and adhered to by Hamas - this is nothing more than ongoing mental masturbation.
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Former Belgian Sat, Jan 17, 2009 12:10:40pm |
re: #31 Racer X
The fear is he is no longer alive. If that is the case and Israel is aware if this, they probably do not want to put the family through more grief than it has already endured. Closure would be nice though.
Unfortunately the Ham-Assholes and their brethren in infamy have a history of deliberately keeking us in the dark about the fate of people that were then later revealed to have been dead years ago. Sad to say, I think the poor sod has been with our Maker for some time.
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abolitionist Sat, Jan 17, 2009 12:10:56pm |
I thought Obama was urging a unilateral cease fire by both sides.
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vagabond trader Sat, Jan 17, 2009 12:11:29pm |
You know, most of the "civilized" world is anti Israel, spreading the blood libel. Finish off Hamas, it is expected.
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ornery elephant Sat, Jan 17, 2009 12:11:29pm |
From Israelly Cool:
8:30PM: Juan Cole, the despicable anti-US/anti-Israel blogger who finished above me in the recent Weblog Awards, wants Israel to declare a unilateral ceasefire…so the US can enjoy Obama’s inauguration ([Link: www.juancole.com...]
There are rumors that the Israeli government may declare a unilateral cease fire Saturday. They had better. Because if they ruin the Obama inauguration by splashing the bloody bodies of dead Palestinian children all over the press during the next few days, no Americans, even the most pro-Israeli, are going to forgive them.
My only question is Juan Cole trying to lobby for an Obama administration post?
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alegrias Sat, Jan 17, 2009 12:11:34pm |
re: #26 Former Belgian
She says tomorrow evening state dinner of Olmert with British PM Brown, Angela Merkel, Sarkozy, the Czech president.
* * * *
This Middle East "peace" process is just an excuse for these heads of states to travel & eat high on the hog at OUR expense, and the lives of Israelis.
People need to demand the IDF be allowed to rout out terrorists like our troops did in Fallujah.
When the military says the job is done, then the dips can weigh in.
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Syrah Sat, Jan 17, 2009 12:11:37pm |
If he announces a "Unilateral Cease Fire", that will put him in the position of having no standing to complain about the continuing Pali-Rocket attacks.
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Cato the Elder Sat, Jan 17, 2009 12:11:47pm |
Well, if he does, that'll take a lot of pressure off Obama in the first days of his admin...
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Wild Knight Sat, Jan 17, 2009 12:12:06pm |
No! Where is Shalit? Please, if there are Israelis on this board, please put pressure on the government to get Shalit back!
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Former Belgian Sat, Jan 17, 2009 12:12:26pm |
re: #38 Wishing
What a complete joke. He will be dead within hours of doing that.
to the balestinians, he is already dead.
Another empty suit, with murderous intent.
You know how Euros favor style over substance...
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chicagodudewhotrades Sat, Jan 17, 2009 12:12:37pm |
I'm hoping this cease-fire is because IAF is gearing up to hit Iran, but I don't know
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Nevergiveup Sat, Jan 17, 2009 12:12:39pm |
re: #41 Bobibutu
Until the Hamas charter language calling for the death of all Jews and the destruction of Israel is eliminated and adhered to by Hamas - this is nothing more than ongoing mental masturbation.
Even eliminating it from their "Charter" is worthless. Didn't really matter with the PLO. All it did was give cover for Western nations to talk to Arafat. And we all know how well that worked out!
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akak Sat, Jan 17, 2009 12:13:01pm |
re: #40 Nevergiveup
And so does that mean the US has been holding back all these years?
It really is one or the other it seems.
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Former Belgian Sat, Jan 17, 2009 12:15:03pm |
re: #45 ornery elephant
From Israelly Cool:
My only question is Juan Cole trying to lobby for an Obama administration post?
Juan Cornholio is the very definition of the word "useful idiot".
From the enemy's perspective. From ours, he's a useless idiot, and a disgrace to his professorial rank.
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yma o hyd Sat, Jan 17, 2009 12:15:25pm |
I'm just feeling sick - sick about the hamassholes getting out of this - sick of all those Arabs swearing 'revenge', sick of the World standing by, blaming Israel even for being humane and minimising damage as much as they can - while hamassholes fire rocket at synagogue and nobody says a word!
I hope that the IDF does not give up, I hope this cease fire is just a well-crafte rope with which to hang Hamas for sure.
But - I'm feeling sick.
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ornery elephant Sat, Jan 17, 2009 12:15:29pm |
Maybe I'm crazy. But it seems to me that the Israelis have weathered the most intense international protest and admonishments...and that those protests are starting to wane and at the same time, the IDF has made first inroads into Gaza City (where more than likely 70% of Hamas is hiding) killing nearly 50 Hamas in the past two days....and NOW they decide to unilaterally end the operation? WTH am I missing here?
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Opilio Sat, Jan 17, 2009 12:15:48pm |
re: #51 chicagodudewhotrades
I'm hoping this cease-fire is because IAF is gearing up to hit Iran, but I don't know
If it is, hopefully Tuesday morning Washington time is their scheduled zer0 hour. (It certainly is ours.)
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anotherindyfilmguy Sat, Jan 17, 2009 12:16:07pm |
re: #24 Opilio
I can prime a carburetor, but I confess I don't know how to prime a minister.
A few shots of whiskey and a hooker might do it...
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alegrias Sat, Jan 17, 2009 12:16:14pm |
re: #33 Former Belgian
She says that the big desire of the Europeans is that Abu Mazen will be able to take over the Gaza strip "the day after".
* * *
Who cares about European desires? German police took down Israeli flags from an Israeli embassy to APPEASE thousand of rioting jihadis in DUISBURG, Germany.
Cowards then and cowards now. Israel must IGNORE Europe's demands.
The Queen of Spain was featured in "Hola!" magazine with Syria's dictator's wife, Assad the Chinless Butcher of US troops.
Screw European cowards who protect terrorists.
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Cato the Elder Sat, Jan 17, 2009 12:16:19pm |
re: #52 Nevergiveup
Even eliminating it from their "Charter" is worthless. Didn't really matter with the PLO. All it did was give cover for Western nations to talk to Arafat. And we all know how well that worked out!
Did the PLO ever remove that bit? I understood they didn't, and the world just yawned.
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Former Belgian Sat, Jan 17, 2009 12:16:48pm |
News guy on Channel 1 says IDF blew up something like 100 tunnels today in the Philadelphi area (that's the border with Egypt).
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Nevergiveup Sat, Jan 17, 2009 12:16:48pm |
re: #58 anotherindyfilmguy
A few shots of whiskey and a hooker might do it...
He said minister not Governor of NY.
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Desert Dog Sat, Jan 17, 2009 12:16:56pm |
A little OT
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Killian Bundy Sat, Jan 17, 2009 12:17:19pm |
re: #40 Nevergiveup
And so does that mean the US has been holding back all these years?
For $3B in annual aid, you'd think we could get Egypt to control their border.
/then again, we can't even control our own border
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Nevergiveup Sat, Jan 17, 2009 12:17:40pm |
re: #60 Cato the Elder
Did the PLO ever remove that bit? I understood they didn't, and the world just yawned.
"officially" they did. At least in the English version.
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alegrias Sat, Jan 17, 2009 12:17:41pm |
re: #40 Nevergiveup
And so does that mean the US has been holding back all these years?
* * * *
Obama's party wants to cut defense 25%.
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itellu3times Sat, Jan 17, 2009 12:18:33pm |
re: #56 ornery elephant
Maybe I'm crazy. But it seems to me that the Israelis have weathered the most intense international protest and admonishments...and that those protests are starting to wane and at the same time, the IDF has made first inroads into Gaza City (where more than likely 70% of Hamas is hiding) killing nearly 50 Hamas in the past two days....and NOW they decide to unilaterally end the operation? WTH am I missing here?
Here's what you are missing - there are probably 100,000 or (much) more Gazans who would happily pick up arms against Israel on behalf of Hamas, and Israel from the beginning pretended the number was maybe 1% of that.
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pat Sat, Jan 17, 2009 12:18:43pm |
re: #60 Cato the Elder
As I remember it PLO did, not Fatah. So no difference in reality. Muslim promises are worth shit.
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ArmyWife Sat, Jan 17, 2009 12:18:44pm |
re: #45 ornery elephant
I won't forgive them, but it has nothing at all to do with the coronation party.
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monkeytime Sat, Jan 17, 2009 12:19:06pm |
Fox news is saying that the announcement is expected to be made any moment that the cease fire will take place immediately.
WTF?
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Cato the Elder Sat, Jan 17, 2009 12:19:10pm |
PETA says: "Save the Gaza sea kittens!"
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Wishing Sat, Jan 17, 2009 12:19:12pm |
re: #45 ornery elephant
From Israelly Cool:
My only question is Juan Cole trying to lobby for an Obama administration post?
He probably already has one.
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akak Sat, Jan 17, 2009 12:19:21pm |
re: #56 ornery elephant
Maybe I'm crazy. But it seems to me that the Israelis have weathered the most intense international protest and admonishments...and that those protests are starting to wane and at the same time, the IDF has made first inroads into Gaza City (where more than likely 70% of Hamas is hiding) killing nearly 50 Hamas in the past two days....and NOW they decide to unilaterally end the operation? WTH am I missing here?
an off the record demand by Obama gave the Israeli's 2 weeks to get it done
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alegrias Sat, Jan 17, 2009 12:19:41pm |
re: #45 ornery elephant
From Israelly Cool:
My only question is Juan Cole trying to lobby for an Obama administration post?
* * *
He's probably jealous of Obama's pro Palestinian best buddy & Columbia professor Rashid Khalidi, in the Edward Said Antisemitic Chair of the Jihadist Department in NYC.
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Nevergiveup Sat, Jan 17, 2009 12:19:52pm |
re: #73 akak
an off the record demand by Obama gave the Israeli's 2 weeks to get it done
And were did you get that from?
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loppyd Sat, Jan 17, 2009 12:20:02pm |
re: #66 alegrias
* * * *
Obama's party wants to cut defense 25%.
Clinton redux.
Back to the couch for me.
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Bob Dillon Sat, Jan 17, 2009 12:20:14pm |
re: #16 ArmyWife
israelmatzav.blogspot.com...]>
Hamas says it won't respect it. So there you have it. War back on and in high definition as far as I am concerned.
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
Their (Hamas) Charter spells out quite clearly why they cannot and will never (while able) cease their hostilities.
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yma o hyd Sat, Jan 17, 2009 12:20:19pm |
Its not as if ordinary Israelis - and even some politicians - don't know whats what:
No news from Tel Aviv yet ...
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jwb7605 Sat, Jan 17, 2009 12:20:27pm |
re: #66 alegrias
* * * *
Obama's party wants to cut defense 25%.
Peace dividend. The surge worked better than expected.
/Bill Clinton
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Former Belgian Sat, Jan 17, 2009 12:20:41pm |
Ch. 1 commentator Oded Granot says that unfortunately it is impossible to kick out Ham-Ass, only weaken it and make it think twice before trying to f*** with us again (not quite his words). The subtext is that everyboy understands Abu Mazen and his Fatakh clown posse cannot in practice take over the Gaza strip.
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MandyManners Sat, Jan 17, 2009 12:21:33pm |
re: #59 alegrias
* * *
Who cares about European desires? German police took down Israeli flags from an Israeli embassy to APPEASE thousand of rioting jihadis in DUISBURG, Germany.Cowards then and cowards now. Israel must IGNORE Europe's demands.
The Queen of Spain was featured in "Hola!" magazine with Syria's dictator's wife, Assad the Chinless Butcher of US troops.
Screw European cowards who protect terrorists.
From the Israeli embassy? Really?
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Former Belgian Sat, Jan 17, 2009 12:21:46pm |
On screen: alert in Ashkelon and Ashdod.
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Seax Sat, Jan 17, 2009 12:22:28pm |
Well well well..the last fling of
Olmert - why doesn't this surprise me?
Screwed up Lebanon and now he's doing it
again....duh
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Nevergiveup Sat, Jan 17, 2009 12:22:42pm |
re: #83 Former Belgian
On screen: alert in Ashkelon and Ashdod.
See the Unilateral cease fire is working already?
/with as much sarcasm as possible
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Former Belgian Sat, Jan 17, 2009 12:22:44pm |
Rocket fell few minutes ago in Ashkelon
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CynicalConservative Sat, Jan 17, 2009 12:22:53pm |
re: #83 Former Belgian
On screen: alert in Ashkelon and Ashdod.
Would be quite ironic to have rockets launched while they're announcing this asinine ceasefire.
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Cato the Elder Sat, Jan 17, 2009 12:23:33pm |
re: #59 alegrias
* * *
Who cares about European desires? German police took down Israeli flags from an Israeli embassy to APPEASE thousand of rioting jihadis in DUISBURG, Germany.Cowards then and cowards now. Israel must IGNORE Europe's demands.
The Queen of Spain was featured in "Hola!" magazine with Syria's dictator's wife, Assad the Chinless Butcher of US troops.
Screw European cowards who protect terrorists.
It was NOT an embassy, it was a private apartment. Embassies are extraterritorial, no police would have standing to even walk on the grounds.
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Wishing Sat, Jan 17, 2009 12:23:42pm |
re: #87 CynicalConservative
Would be quite
ironictypical to have rockets launched while they're announcing this asinine ceasefire.
Fixed.
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Killian Bundy Sat, Jan 17, 2009 12:23:52pm |
Mall Area Is Flush With Portable Facilities
Never in the annals of the nation have so many porta-potties gathered for so much common good. Or rather, common need.
By Tuesday's presidential inauguration, a nearly unbroken Great Wall of Privies will have formed between Capitol Hill and the Lincoln Memorial. And with orders coming in daily from Union Station and other downtown locales, Conrad Harrell thinks the total inaugural Toilet Tally could top 7,000. That's a one-day bathroom capacity of nearly half a million gallons, an epic of septic.
700 toilets for 2-4 million people?
/that's really grim math
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Racer X Sat, Jan 17, 2009 12:24:06pm |
Sure. I would do a cease fire. With everyone clearly aware that when the very first kassam lands in Israel after the cease fire has been declared, the IDF starts right back up again and will do ten times more damage. Promise.
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Nevergiveup Sat, Jan 17, 2009 12:24:08pm |
re: #87 CynicalConservative
Would be quite ironic to have rockets launched while they're announcing this asinine ceasefire.
Well Olmert doesn't have enough guts to announce it in Sderot or anyplace near Gaza
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alegrias Sat, Jan 17, 2009 12:24:38pm |
re: #72 Wishing
He probably already has one.
* * * *
Isn't Juan Cole from Michigan, and the city of Dearbornistan, where Hamas & Hezbollah are financed? Remember we airlifted many his followers, the Hezbollan-Americans during Lebanon's 2006 war?
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Desert Dog Sat, Jan 17, 2009 12:24:50pm |
re: #91 Killian Bundy
Mall Area Is Flush With Portable Facilities
700 toilets for 2-4 million people?
/that's really grim math
Lots of trees on the mall are going to get "fly-tipped"
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Former Belgian Sat, Jan 17, 2009 12:25:11pm |
Former OC Northern Command Yossi Peled (another former Belgian :-)) says unilateral cease-fire does not imply automatic and immediate withdrawal.
Was cut off by report of missile falling in Ashdod area.
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Racer X Sat, Jan 17, 2009 12:25:12pm |
re: #91 Killian Bundy
Mall Area Is Flush With Portable Facilities
700 toilets for 2-4 million people?
/that's really grim math
Its gonna be the shit™
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Nevergiveup Sat, Jan 17, 2009 12:25:35pm |
re: #93 Racer X
Sure. I would do a cease fire. With everyone clearly aware that when the very first kassam lands in Israel after the cease fire has been declared, the IDF starts right back up again and will do ten times more damage. Promise.
I'd say announce that for each missile OR tunnel found the IDF will take out one building. Kinda like urban renewal?
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Wishing Sat, Jan 17, 2009 12:25:49pm |
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prince of dorkness Sat, Jan 17, 2009 12:25:57pm |
Are all the Hamasholes dead? I must've missed the newsflash.
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yma o hyd Sat, Jan 17, 2009 12:26:07pm |
re: #97 Former Belgian
Former OC Northern Command Yossi Peled (another former Belgian :-)) says unilateral cease-fire does not imply automatic and immediate withdrawal.
Was cut off by report of missile falling in Ashdod area.
Can I ask you a stupid question - are you in Israel?
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norar Sat, Jan 17, 2009 12:26:14pm |
Juan Cornholio is the very definition of the word "useful idiot".
I don't think he is an idiot in any sense. He is a classical opportunist. They usually come from the left under cover of pseudo rightfulness of the political correct causes. To come from any other direction they actually have to have convictions to stand by.
Of course, there are people with convictions that come from the left, these are true "useful idiots". However, JC is not one of them. He lies too much.
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Desert Dog Sat, Jan 17, 2009 12:26:17pm |
re: #101 Wishing
I am feeling flush already...
That warm tingly sensation will not be coming from Obama this time
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Izzy Dunne Sat, Jan 17, 2009 12:26:22pm |
WTH am I missing here?re: #56 ornery elephant
WTH am I missing here?
According to this article, Iran has given the green light for Hezbollah to act up if a "truce is not reached this weekend".
Is Olmert reacting to that?
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alegrias Sat, Jan 17, 2009 12:26:30pm |
re: #74 Iron Fist
This is likely to be the last chance Israel gets at settling the Palestinian conflict on favorable terms for the next four years. If they fold now, then we can expect the Intifada to pick up and, possibly, really go international. And Obama will be putting real pressure on Israel to appeaase if not outright surrender.
* * *
With the Clintonistas back, the White House Lincoln Bedroom becomes Palestinian terrorists' home away from home, as Arafat called it during the rocking jihadiest Clinton years.
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Opilio Sat, Jan 17, 2009 12:26:32pm |
re: #91 Killian Bundy
Mall Area Is Flush With Portable Facilities
700 toilets for 2-4 million people?
/that's really grim math
That's a load of crap.
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Former Belgian Sat, Jan 17, 2009 12:27:11pm |
Ruby Rivlin (former Knesset speaker) says no point in cease-fire if just another "hudna". Meanwhile couple of flunkies came to check mikes on speaker's rostrum.
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Killian Bundy Sat, Jan 17, 2009 12:27:50pm |
re: #99 ArmyWife
7.000, not 700.
/still, even at a minute a visit, that's several hours of wait time
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Killgore Trout Sat, Jan 17, 2009 12:28:45pm |
It seems the rarest thing in Gaza are the Hamas fighters. France 24 found one and interviewed him......
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ArmyWife Sat, Jan 17, 2009 12:28:45pm |
re: #106 Izzy Dunne
I find it more plausible he is reacting to The One saying "don't ruin my day with reality" and then an opportunity to say "See? I am making a difference already, I've stopped the war in Gaza"
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opinionated Sat, Jan 17, 2009 12:29:23pm |
Israel is not announcing a cease fire with Hamas. Just like Israel didn't really have a cease fire with Hezbollah.
Israel has negotiated a cease fire with the United States.
Unlike Iran and Afghanistan- and WWI and WWII and many other wars- Israel's wars are limited in time.
Israel is supposed to take much punishment from the Arabs. Terror, rocket attacks.
At some point it becomes so much that the US allows a minor response.
But it is always limited in time, and certainly limited in conclusion. Israel is never allowed to win decisively.
[What was remarkable about the Six Day War was that they won so quickly there was no time to stop them short of victory]
Because Israel is never allowed to win and the Arabs can never lose, and because the Arabs will never rest until Israel is destroyed, the "peace process" will continue in perpetuity- punctuated by a war process every so often for ever or until Israel is destroyed.
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Former Belgian Sat, Jan 17, 2009 12:29:27pm |
Amir Bar-Shalom from Ashdod: rocket hit an electric cable, blackout in area around it, nobody hurt, no damage to houses.
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ArmyWife Sat, Jan 17, 2009 12:29:27pm |
re: #110 Killian Bundy
Oh I agree - there are going to be some serious pee-pee dances going on out there!
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Dustyvet Sat, Jan 17, 2009 12:29:28pm |
Let's see how long Hamas takes to commit the first cease fire violation, I'll give them about 30 seconds.
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Blackacre Sat, Jan 17, 2009 12:29:31pm |
re: #45 ornery elephant
From Israelly Cool:
8:30PM: Juan Cole, the despicable anti-US/anti-Israel blogger who finished above me in the recent Weblog Awards, wants Israel to declare a unilateral ceasefire…so the US can enjoy Obama’s inauguration
There are rumors that the Israeli government may declare a unilateral cease fire Saturday. They had better. Because if they ruin the Obama inauguration by splashing the bloody bodies of dead Palestinian children all over the press during the next few days, no Americans, even the most pro-Israeli, are going to forgive them.
Hey, Juan: Piss off. I will. I am Popper's black swan and your unfounded assertion has just been proven false.
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Bob Dillon Sat, Jan 17, 2009 12:29:35pm |
re: #52 Nevergiveup
Even eliminating it from their "Charter" is worthless. Didn't really matter with the PLO. All it did was give cover for Western nations to talk to Arafat. And we all know how well that worked out!
Your point is well taken and that is why I added "and adhered to" ... the international recognition and pressure for the elimination of the language would at least finally acknowledge the elephant in the room and be a huge first step.
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alegrias Sat, Jan 17, 2009 12:29:39pm |
re: #82 MandyManners
From the Israeli embassy? Really?
* * **
I stand corrected, someone says the flags were NOTon the Israeli embassy.
Still, SCREW Europe!
Why shouldn't private people be allowed to let their Israeli flag fly?
Hamas & Hezbollans throw parades with their GREEN or Yellow JIHAD flags all over Europe.
Why should Jihadists have more rights than Jewish people, in EUROPE?
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albusteve Sat, Jan 17, 2009 12:30:08pm |
re: #56 ornery elephant
Maybe I'm crazy. But it seems to me that the Israelis have weathered the most intense international protest and admonishments...and that those protests are starting to wane and at the same time, the IDF has made first inroads into Gaza City (where more than likely 70% of Hamas is hiding) killing nearly 50 Hamas in the past two days....and NOW they decide to unilaterally end the operation? WTH am I missing here?
the mesmerizing power of the MSM...they call the shots
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debutaunt Sat, Jan 17, 2009 12:30:25pm |
re: #110 Killian Bundy
/still, even at a minute a visit, that's several hours of wait time
Well that does it! I'm staying home and doing something else - anything else.
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pegcity Sat, Jan 17, 2009 12:30:28pm |
only in israel does a prime minister who has been forced to quit have the power told call a ceasefire
Israel your democracy is borked.
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norar Sat, Jan 17, 2009 12:31:11pm |
I hope that IDF did what they could and need a break to see where other the Hamas holes are, when hamas continue their offensive.
Otherwise, it hard to see any sense in this unilateral cease fire.
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prince of dorkness Sat, Jan 17, 2009 12:31:23pm |
Yeah, let's have a unilateral ceasefire, I'm sure Hamas won't even think of resupplying.
/
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hazzyday Sat, Jan 17, 2009 12:31:28pm |
Not until hamas is defeated. What can be said? The fighting and pre mature trucing by Israel makes them look weak and deserving of the UN fate.
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DeafDog Sat, Jan 17, 2009 12:32:32pm |
re: #122 pegcity
only in israel does a prime minister who has been forced to quit have the power told call a ceasefire
Israel your democracy is borked.
Olmert's a graduate of the John McCain school of Campign politics. The next election is now Netenyahu's
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Muadib Sat, Jan 17, 2009 12:32:41pm |
Groundhog day.
Groundhog day.
Groundhog day.
Groundhog day.
Groundhog day.
Groundhog day.
Groundhog day..........
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Former Belgian Sat, Jan 17, 2009 12:32:45pm |
Ayala Khasson (still waiting) quotes a European source as saying the Euro PMs and Olmert will make their way to Sharm-El-Sheikh tomorrow at 2 PM for a meeting with Mubarak.
She also mentions apparent differences of opinion among the Euros.
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Killgore Trout Sat, Jan 17, 2009 12:32:57pm |
re: #113 opinionated
I don't think Israel asks for permission from the US before they act. They are a free country and they make their own decisions.
Also, Israel won the war decades ago. The problem is that their defeated enemy doesn't surrender. It's a pretty unique case in the history of warfare.
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Dustyvet Sat, Jan 17, 2009 12:33:34pm |
Remember the old 7-Up ads?
Here's a new one.
Hamas has no honor, never had it, never will!
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opinionated Sat, Jan 17, 2009 12:34:08pm |
The most damaging rocket fired at Israel during this war was not a rocket from Gaza, it was an abstention by the US at the UN.
It was the US allowing the UN to draw a moral equivalency between the Islamic terrorist group Hamas and Israel.
War on terror my ass.
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Sharmuta Sat, Jan 17, 2009 12:34:17pm |
re: #128 Muadib
Groundhog day.
Groundhog day.
Groundhog day.
Groundhog day.
Groundhog day.
Groundhog day.
Groundhog day..........
It's like the montage of Bill Murray getting smacked over and over again.
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Former Belgian Sat, Jan 17, 2009 12:34:47pm |
News ticker: Egypt claims Olmert agreed to ceasefire
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lincolntf Sat, Jan 17, 2009 12:34:51pm |
Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me. Fool me a half-dozens times and I have to conclude that you have no interest in doing what you say you are going to do, ever.
Israel = "Masters of the Half-a-War".
Pardon me if I'm a little embittered and disillusioned (yet again) by the contrast between what Israel says it's going to do and what it actually does.
Hamas keeps yanking their chain (particularly over Gilad Shalit) and Israel keeps dutifully following along, begging for a treat.
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Guanxi88 Sat, Jan 17, 2009 12:34:55pm |
re: #127 DeafDog
Olmert's a graduate of the John McCain school of Campign politics. The next election is now Netenyahu's
Jeez! But Bibi's no bargain, either. Talks a tough game, but....
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Wishing Sat, Jan 17, 2009 12:34:57pm |
re: #130 Killgore Trout
I don't think Israel asks for permission from the US before they act. They are a free country and they make their own decisions.
Also, Israel won the war decades ago. The problem is that their defeated enemy doesn't surrender. It's a pretty unique case in the history of warfare.
Wrong, Israel never FORCES them to surrender. Instead they kiss all the boo-boos and say, Let's try again.
Olmert, Mr. Jello. Yellow Jello.
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witness Sat, Jan 17, 2009 12:35:14pm |
Zero cut a deal with Israel: "we'll blame your actions on Bush"
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opinionated Sat, Jan 17, 2009 12:35:45pm |
re: #130 Killgore Trout
I don't think Israel asks for permission from the US before they act. They are a free country and they make their own decisions.
You're wrong. With the World solidly against Israel, Israel must be certain the US will veto UN resolutions and sanctions that could destroy Israel where Arabs forces can not.
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alegrias Sat, Jan 17, 2009 12:35:49pm |
re: #115 ArmyWife
Oh I agree - there are going to be some serious pee-pee dances going on out there!
* * * *
Are you kidding? There will be leftists peeing in the parks, like there are every day in Washington, DC.
There is a huge park at McPherson Square on 14th and I streets, NW, near the White House at 16th & Pennsylvania, that smells so badly of URINE & crap, decent people can't admire the huge old trees, nor sit on the benches which are full of homeless urinating addicts and others sitting around waiting for handouts & hope & change.
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albusteve Sat, Jan 17, 2009 12:36:07pm |
pretty amazing how guys like Wolf Blitzer can control world events like electing presidents, setting limits on sovereign states' military business...stuff like that...the MSM rules the world
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Wishing Sat, Jan 17, 2009 12:36:26pm |
re: #139 opinionated
You're wrong. With the World solidly against Israel, Israel must be certain the US will veto UN resolutions and sanctions that could destroy Israel where Arabs forces can not.
They didnt veto the other day!
Thank God for Canada, and may the Almighty richly bless them!
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Killgore Trout Sat, Jan 17, 2009 12:36:41pm |
The Vatican seems to have chosen its side in this recent conflict.....
Pope sends monetary aid to Gazans
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norar Sat, Jan 17, 2009 12:36:47pm |
Here is a satire on MSM coverage of Gaza fighting from Israeli comic relief Eretz Nehederet [wonderful country] program.
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Syrah Sat, Jan 17, 2009 12:36:54pm |
re: #130 Killgore Trout
I don't think Israel asks for permission from the US before they act. They are a free country and they make their own decisions.
Also, Israel won the war decades ago. The problem is that their defeated enemy doesn't surrender. It's a pretty unique case in the history of warfare.
I am not so sure that it is that unique. I think it might be more that modern warfare is just that different that warfare of the Roman era. Israel is a modern nation fighting a people who are much the same as they were 1,300 years ago.
A problem of asymmetrical world views.
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Former Belgian Sat, Jan 17, 2009 12:36:58pm |
Oded Granot says that clearly Egypt wants another "payment" from Olmert besides a unilateral cease-fire in return for the invitation to Sharm. Granot speculates about Israel accepting Gaza wounded for treatment (fairly small price to pay for Israel).
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Shay4l Sat, Jan 17, 2009 12:37:07pm |
If they agree to a cease fire without Shalit in Tel Aviv, they're the losers of this round.
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jaunte Sat, Jan 17, 2009 12:37:25pm |
re: #143 Killgore Trout
Good grief. Did they ask the Egyptians to open up their border crossing?
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WhiteRasta Sat, Jan 17, 2009 12:38:23pm |
The History of the Middle Finger
Well, now......here's something I never knew before, and now that I know it, I feel compelled to send it on to my more intelligent friends in the hope that they, too, will feel edified. Isn't history more fun when you know something about it?
Before the Battle of Agincourt in 1415, the French, anticipating victory over the English, proposed to cut off the middle finger of all captured English soldiers. Without the middle finger it would be impossible to draw the renowned English longbow and therefore they would be incapable of fighting in the future. This famous English longbow was made of the native English Yew tree, and the act of drawing the longbow was known as 'plucking the yew' (or 'pluck yew').
Much to the bewilderment of the French, the English won a major upset and began mocking the French by waving their middle fingers at the defeated French, saying, See, we can still pluck yew! Since 'pluck yew' is rather difficult to say, the difficult consonant cluster at the beginning has gradually changed to a labiodentals fricative F', and thus the words often used in conjunction with the one-finger-salute! It is also because of the pheasant feathers on the arrows used with the longbow that the symbolic gesture is known as 'giving the bird.'
IT IS STILL AN APPROPRIATE SALUTE TO THE FRENCH TODAY!
And yew thought yew knew every plucking thing
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norar Sat, Jan 17, 2009 12:38:27pm |
re: #139 opinionated
You're wrong. With the World solidly against Israel, Israel must be certain the US will veto UN resolutions and sanctions that could destroy Israel where Arabs forces can not.
Well, this time USA did not veto UN resolution. Can you think of a reason why?
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albusteve Sat, Jan 17, 2009 12:38:41pm |
re: #139 opinionated
You're wrong. With the World solidly against Israel, Israel must be certain the US will veto UN resolutions and sanctions that could destroy Israel where Arabs forces can not.
why?...the UN can not really harm Israel materially...conversely they should charge the UN with abetting war crimes
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alegrias Sat, Jan 17, 2009 12:38:46pm |
re: #124 prince of dorkness
Yeah, let's have a unilateral ceasefire, I'm sure Hamas won't even think of resupplying.
/
* * *
Why do you think the democrats wanted the US to quit & declare ceasefires in Iraq? So Al Qaeda could resupply, regroup & win.
God bless Pres. George Bush & John McCain and our troops who surged in and beat the terrorists, in SPITE of our pro-terrorists in Congress & media.
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Guanxi88 Sat, Jan 17, 2009 12:39:04pm |
Unbelievable if they do this!
For pity's sake, has the past three weeks been for nothing but the status quo and few (too few) HAMAS deaths? Don't gimme that "damaged their infrastructure" stuff either. HAMAS infrastructure is inseparable from civilian Arab infrastructure wherever they operate.
They stab it with their steely knives, but they just WON'T kill the beast.
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Fuad Al'Razi Sat, Jan 17, 2009 12:39:42pm |
I'm totally exasperated with the government of Israel. Destroy your enemies. Don't delay, they'll live to fight another day.
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opinionated Sat, Jan 17, 2009 12:39:48pm |
re: #142 Wishing
They didnt veto the other day!
Thank God for Canada, and may the Almighty richly bless them!
Not the one at the Human Right commission where the US in not a member.
The UN resolution that was allowed by the US to pass in the Security Council.
The U.S. Votes 'Present' at the U.N.
Usually we stop anti-Israel resolutions.
By John Bolton
[Link: online.wsj.com...]
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Former Belgian Sat, Jan 17, 2009 12:39:59pm |
Chaim Oron (MK for the leftist Meretz party) drones about that this whole thing is pointless unless followed up by a political process (read: piss process)...
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Guanxi88 Sat, Jan 17, 2009 12:40:15pm |
re: #151 albusteve
why?...the UN can not really harm Israel materially...conversely they should charge the UN with abetting war crimes
Feh. To whom would they bring the charge? The Hague? the UN?
Israel would have an excellent case if the facts and law mattered, but they don't. "Tell your story walking," would be the response.
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pre-Boomer Marine brat Sat, Jan 17, 2009 12:40:38pm |
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ornery elephant Sat, Jan 17, 2009 12:40:39pm |
Israel has been infested with the rule of Kadima now for years. So, the fact that there is no gut check in Israel to finish this job shouldn't be surprising. Let's face it, come January 20th, the U.S. will have a Dem President and a Dem controlled Congress...can you imagine how impossible it will be for America to actually go to war after that, let alone decide to win it? Unfortunately, I'm quite certain that even another attack on America would not illicit a military response from America under our new government.
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prince of dorkness Sat, Jan 17, 2009 12:40:50pm |
re: #152 alegrias
Amen. The only good terrorist is a dead terrorist.
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opinionated Sat, Jan 17, 2009 12:41:01pm |
re: #151 albusteve
Of course they can. International boycotts. International embargoes.
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ciaospirit Sat, Jan 17, 2009 12:41:02pm |
re: #110 Killian Bundy
/still, even at a minute a visit, that's several hours of wait time
I heard that 13,000 is what is minimally needed. But then, I think the crowd is over estimated. Who knows?
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witness Sat, Jan 17, 2009 12:41:13pm |
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Blackacre Sat, Jan 17, 2009 12:41:19pm |
From Israelly Cool:8:30PM: Juan Cole, the despicable anti-US/anti-Israel blogger who finished above me in the recent Weblog Awards, wants Israel to declare a unilateral ceasefire…so the US can enjoy Obama’s inauguration
There are rumors that the Israeli government may declare a unilateral cease fire Saturday. They had better. Because if they ruin the Obama inauguration by splashing the bloody bodies of dead Palestinian children all over the press during the next few days, no Americans, even the most pro-Israeli, are going to forgive them.
Hey, Juan: Piss off. Again. The Israeli government does no such thing. Pallywood Productions does. You lying sack of crap. On multiple levels.
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Killgore Trout Sat, Jan 17, 2009 12:41:29pm |
re: #153 Guanxi88
We'll have to wait and see but I suspect Fatah is going to make a move on Hamas after the Israelis leave. It will be much bloodier than what Israel (or any other civilized nation) would have the stomach for.
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MandyManners Sat, Jan 17, 2009 12:41:35pm |
re: #143 Killgore Trout
The Vatican seems to have chosen its side in this recent conflict.....
Pope sends monetary aid to Gazans
Looks like Martino had the pope's approval.
Relations between Israel and the Vatican turned sour shortly after a senior representative of the pontiff condemned Israel for turning Gaza into "a big concentration camp". "Defenseless populations are always the ones who pay. Look at the conditions in Gaza: more and more, it resembles a big concentration camp," said president of Vatican's Council for Justice and Peace Cardinal Renato Martino.
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Wishing Sat, Jan 17, 2009 12:41:37pm |
Many Jewish soldiers (and civilians) died in this current conflict. Just as in the Lebanon fiasco, these boys appear to have given their very lives only so that Olmert can cave in so the Zero has a nice Ascension party.
Screw Olmert, IDF, and do what you MUST do!
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alegrias Sat, Jan 17, 2009 12:42:27pm |
re: #127 DeafDog
Olmert's a graduate of the John McCain school of Campign politics. The next election is now Netenyahu's
* ** *
Hey Dear Deaf Dog,
At least John McCain crashed his plane after taking enemy fire--while BOMBING THE ENEMY in enemy territory.
Give McCain credit for having flown many bombing missions & killing many enemies, WHEN his leftist US President allowed US troops to kill enemies.
I doubt Olmert ever did combat. Someone fact check me please.
| 170 |
Former Belgian Sat, Jan 17, 2009 12:42:29pm |
Mayor of Sderot now being interviewed...
In Ashdod, 5 people treated for shock...
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yma o hyd Sat, Jan 17, 2009 12:42:34pm |
Well - its now at least 30 minutes past the time when Olmert was going to announce the decision of teh cabinet.
Might this mean that they'e not unanimous, that things are not a done deal?
Might the hamassholes, with their last missile fired just now have scuppered it?
Lets hope so!
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Guanxi88 Sat, Jan 17, 2009 12:42:43pm |
re: #166 Killgore Trout
We'll have to wait and see but I suspect Fatah is going to make a move on Hamas after the Israelis leave. It will be much bloodier than what Israel (or any other civilized nation) would have the stomach for.
Yeah, I've heard that angle, and there might be something to it. Still, it's a Hell of a thing to pin your hopes on:
Two murderers both want you dead, but will kill each other for the right to do it.
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albusteve Sat, Jan 17, 2009 12:43:09pm |
re: #157 Guanxi88
Feh. To whom would they bring the charge? The Hague? the UN?
Israel would have an excellent case if the facts and law mattered, but they don't. "Tell your story walking," would be the response.
to the fucking news papers!....wtf?...does it matter who?...just do it and see where the chips fall....this bullshit dreamworld everybody is living is getting people killed...it's not supposed to TOPPLE the UN it's supposed to make ISRAEL HEARD!
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ciaospirit Sat, Jan 17, 2009 12:43:29pm |
re: #130 Killgore Trout
Also, Israel won the war decades ago. The problem is that their defeated enemy doesn't surrender. It's a pretty unique case in the history of warfare.
Enemy doesn't surrender. Then the war isn't over, is it.
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debutaunt Sat, Jan 17, 2009 12:44:06pm |
re: #174 ciaospirit
Enemy doesn't surrender. Then the war isn't over, is it.
Drag it out and repeat.
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jwb7605 Sat, Jan 17, 2009 12:44:29pm |
re: #169 alegrias
* ** *
Hey Dear Deaf Dog,At least John McCain crashed his plane after taking enemy fire--while BOMBING THE ENEMY in enemy territory.
Give McCain credit for having flown many bombing missions & killing many enemies, WHEN his leftist US President allowed US troops to kill enemies.
I doubt Olmert ever did combat. Someone fact check me please.
With one exception. USS Forrestal
He got a transfer to a different boat, could have gone home.
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albusteve Sat, Jan 17, 2009 12:44:55pm |
re: #161 opinionated
Of course they can. International boycotts. International embargoes.
that's speculation...why are you suddenly giving credit to the UN to accomplish anything?...I dont...fortune favors the bold
| 179 |
Guanxi88 Sat, Jan 17, 2009 12:45:08pm |
So I've got Fox's live player streaming now. Saw a chick yawn and a guy yacking on his cell phone. What is this, a freaking waiting room?
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Former Belgian Sat, Jan 17, 2009 12:45:17pm |
Gen. Maj. (ret.) Yossi Peled: IAF wreaked enormous damage on smuggling tunnels, will take a while to restore.
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Wishing Sat, Jan 17, 2009 12:45:25pm |
re: #179 Guanxi88
So I've got Fox's live player streaming now. Saw a chick yawn and a guy yacking on his cell phone. What is this, a freaking waiting room?
Link pls?
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Cato the Elder Sat, Jan 17, 2009 12:45:53pm |
re: #147 Shay4l
If they agree to a cease fire without Shalit in Tel Aviv, they're the losers of this round.
I really hate to ask this, but what grounds do we have for thinking Shalit is still among the living?
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hazzyday Sat, Jan 17, 2009 12:46:25pm |
Israel needs to be innovative and move warcrimes charges unto the lap of the UN in an effort to achieve clarity. They should also focus their media outreach and use it to restrict western media partisans. Make the media consumer come to the source of the information instead of the biased filter.
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yma o hyd Sat, Jan 17, 2009 12:46:36pm |
re: #179 Guanxi88
So I've got Fox's live player streaming now. Saw a chick yawn and a guy yacking on his cell phone. What is this, a freaking waiting room?
Yep - the Beeb News Channel has switched over to something else - looks as if they got word that an announcemnt is not quite imminent ... so the people ahve to wait -and wait ...
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opnion Sat, Jan 17, 2009 12:46:41pm |
re: #139 opinionated
You're wrong. With the World solidly against Israel, Israel must be certain the US will veto UN resolutions and sanctions that could destroy Israel where Arabs forces can not.
You have nailed it. The only really reliable friend that Israel has is the U.S.
We supply aid ,armamenmts & vetos in the UN.
Israel in many quarters is considered a client state.
The fact that there may be a unilateral cease fire before the Inauguration is very telling. I fear for Israel under this administration & I fear for the U.S.
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alegrias Sat, Jan 17, 2009 12:47:32pm |
re: #130 Killgore Trout
I don't think Israel asks for permission from the US before they act. They are a free country and they make their own decisions.
Also, Israel won the war decades ago. The problem is that their defeated enemy doesn't surrender. It's a pretty unique case in the history of warfare.
* * * *
We supposedly kicked Saddam Hussein's ass in the first Gulf War but because we left an arab despot alive, Saddam Hussein claimed VICTORY and to islamists & jihadists, stayin' alive IS victory. They're like viruses--such low forms of life!
Saddam Hussein built himself many Victory Over America memorials. I saw footage of one that our troops bombed while it was still under construction.
Despotic terrorists must be seen to lose, and have it done publicly. Terrorists must be humiliated.
President Bush is laughed at by our enemies in part because he did NOT bring Osama's head on a spike, but let him live.
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Guanxi88 Sat, Jan 17, 2009 12:49:19pm |
re: #173 albusteve
to the fucking news papers!....wtf?...does it matter who?...just do it and see where the chips fall....this bullshit dreamworld everybody is living is getting people killed...it's not supposed to TOPPLE the UN it's supposed to make ISRAEL HEARD!
Look, Israel's got a case, and the evidence is out there for anyone who wants to look at it. Here's the thing, the papers don't care or are in bed with the enemy; same goes double for electronic media, except for some of the better blogs, etc.
Nobody thinks the UN can be brought down by any of this, but I for one, and I;m not alone, don't see that anything constructive has been accomplished except when the Israelis slug it out with their enemies, and "world opinion" and "the international community" don't like it when they do.
Israel is expected to die - whether quickly or slowly, there are differences of opinion and preference, but it's expected to die anyway. All they can do is try to hold on another day.
Right and justice are on their side, but, in this world, that doesn't mean much, I'm afraid. Maybe this is just my despair talking....
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DeafDog Sat, Jan 17, 2009 12:49:50pm |
re: #169 alegrias
* ** *
Hey Dear Deaf Dog,At least John McCain crashed his plane after taking enemy fire--while BOMBING THE ENEMY in enemy territory.
Give McCain credit for having flown many bombing missions & killing many enemies, WHEN his leftist US President allowed US troops to kill enemies.
I doubt Olmert ever did combat. Someone fact check me please.
McCain's 'waterloo' was not related to the military. His mistake was voting for the $700B financial bailout. Had he voted against it, and stuck with conservative principals, he stood a better chance to be elected.
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lincolntf Sat, Jan 17, 2009 12:49:53pm |
re: #182 Cato the Elder
Someone recently posted that there has been no "proof of life" per se since his abduction (seems like Hamas would have proven it if they could as it played into their negotiations), but I'm almost certain I heard a report that Israeli security forces believed him to still be alive as recently as last summer. I have no idea what the security services based their info. on.
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Guanxi88 Sat, Jan 17, 2009 12:50:08pm |
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Former Belgian Sat, Jan 17, 2009 12:50:08pm |
re: #186 alegrias
* * * *
We supposedly kicked Saddam Hussein's ass in the first Gulf War but because we left an arab despot alive, Saddam Hussein claimed VICTORY and to islamists & jihadists, stayin' alive IS victory. They're like viruses--such low forms of life!Saddam Hussein built himself many Victory Over America memorials. I saw footage of one that our troops bombed while it was still under construction.
Despotic terrorists must be seen to lose, and have it done publicly. Terrorists must be humiliated.
President Bush is laughed at by our enemies in part because he did NOT bring Osama's head on a spike, but let him live.
ײַIn the Arab world, as long as you are left standing alive you can declare yourself the winner, even if all you've got left is two goats.
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Former Belgian Sat, Jan 17, 2009 12:50:46pm |
Ayala says: two ministers voted against, one abstained, the ceasefire passed. Olmert and Barak on their way now.
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Wishing Sat, Jan 17, 2009 12:50:57pm |
re: #190 lincolntf
Someone recently posted that there has been no "proof of life" per se since his abduction (seems like Hamas would have proven it if they could as it played into their negotiations), but I'm almost certain I heard a report that Israeli security forces believed him to still be alive as recently as last summer. I have no idea what the security services based their info. on.
There have been tapes and most recently, about 4 months ago, a letter to his parents from Gilad.
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Guanxi88 Sat, Jan 17, 2009 12:51:18pm |
So, they're talking now, but it's Hebrew.
[Link: www.foxnews.com...]
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jcm Sat, Jan 17, 2009 12:51:21pm |
re: #186 alegrias
President Bush is laughed at by our enemies in part because he did NOT bring Osama's head on a spike, but let him live.
BHO has backed tracked on getting OBL. From getting him, to it's not that important. The change came around the time BHO started getting PDBs. I wonder what made him change is mind?
One theory is the we know exactly where OBL is but the intel we get from watching is to good to pass up.
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MandyManners Sat, Jan 17, 2009 12:51:30pm |
re: #193 Former Belgian
Ayala says: two ministers voted against, one abstained, the ceasefire passed. Olmert and Barak on their way now.
Well, shit.
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Opinionated Sat, Jan 17, 2009 12:51:56pm |
re: #185 opnion
At the very moment the Government is meeting deliberating a cease fire, this is occurring:
Rocket Hits Ashdod Home
Reported: 22:30 PM - Jan/17/09
(IsraelNN.com) Rocket warning sirens sounded in the cities of Askelon and Ashdod on Saturday night. One rocket slammed into a house in Ashdod.The building sustained heavy damage but no physical injuries were reported. Several people suffered shock.
The attack caused a blackout in part of the city.
If nevertheless a unilateral cease fire is announced, you have to conclude that they are so insane that they should be immediately institutionalized or that this is pro forma and the result of unbearable outside pressure- which only means US pressure.
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lincolntf Sat, Jan 17, 2009 12:52:02pm |
re: #194 Wishing
Good enough for me. I was unaware of that.
Now they need to get him out!
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albusteve Sat, Jan 17, 2009 12:52:29pm |
re: #183 hazzyday
Israel needs to be innovative and move warcrimes charges unto the lap of the UN in an effort to achieve clarity. They should also focus their media outreach and use it to restrict western media partisans. Make the media consumer come to the source of the information instead of the biased filter.
if they dont start playing for keeps they might just as well stroll into the Med and give up...why do you think the palis lob cheap ass rockets into Israel year after year? to gain control of the media! well two can play that game and they might just as well take a swipe at the UN to get started...what have they got to lose? does anyone seriously think they will appeal to the UN to take out Irans nukes...the whole fucking thing is just theater and people are dying
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yma o hyd Sat, Jan 17, 2009 12:52:32pm |
re: #193 Former Belgian
Ayala says: two ministers voted against, one abstained, the ceasefire passed. Olmert and Barak on their way now.
Who were tHe ones against, who abstained?
Which party do they belong to?
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Former Belgian Sat, Jan 17, 2009 12:52:52pm |
Olmert: "Dear citizens, good evening, precisely 3 weeks ago we opened this campaign... now we can say that we reached our goals, and even more..."
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opnion Sat, Jan 17, 2009 12:53:15pm |
re: #189 DeafDog
McCain's 'waterloo' was not related to the military. His mistake was voting for the $700B financial bailout. Had he voted against it, and stuck with conservative principals, he stood a better chance to be elected.
You could be right, you never know. He could have got himself some seperation & looked principaled, but instead he suspended his campaign to rush back & support the bail out.
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BenZacharia Sat, Jan 17, 2009 12:53:23pm |
re: #132 opinionated
The most damaging rocket fired at Israel during this war was not a rocket from Gaza, it was an abstention by the US at the UN.
It was the US allowing the UN to draw a moral equivalency between the Islamic terrorist group Hamas and Israel.
War on terror my ass.
Big suprise, US=GW* btw
"I gots me the same god as them there muslims."
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MandyManners Sat, Jan 17, 2009 12:53:33pm |
re: #206 Former Belgian
Olmert: "Dear citizens, good evening, precisely 3 weeks ago we opened this campaign... now we can say that we reached our goals, and even more..."
What goals?
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Former Belgian Sat, Jan 17, 2009 12:54:08pm |
"... All security agencies concluded that both ruling and military ability of Ham-Ass got severely beaten..."
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albusteve Sat, Jan 17, 2009 12:54:30pm |
re: #188 Guanxi88
Look, Israel's got a case, and the evidence is out there for anyone who wants to look at it. Here's the thing, the papers don't care or are in bed with the enemy; same goes double for electronic media, except for some of the better blogs, etc.
Nobody thinks the UN can be brought down by any of this, but I for one, and I;m not alone, don't see that anything constructive has been accomplished except when the Israelis slug it out with their enemies, and "world opinion" and "the international community" don't like it when they do.
Israel is expected to die - whether quickly or slowly, there are differences of opinion and preference, but it's expected to die anyway. All they can do is try to hold on another day.
Right and justice are on their side, but, in this world, that doesn't mean much, I'm afraid. Maybe this is just my despair talking....
yes it is...time to drop the phoney pretense imo
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Guanxi88 Sat, Jan 17, 2009 12:55:02pm |
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nyc redneck Sat, Jan 17, 2009 12:55:18pm |
hamas jihadis crawling out of the rubble will claim they won the war, if there is a truce now.
negotiation is not possible w/ such savages.
they won't quit trying to kill israelis and destroy israel.
that is their only goal.
peace is not even part of the equation for these terrorists.
pretending otherwise, is naive and very dangerous.
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DeafDog Sat, Jan 17, 2009 12:55:30pm |
re: #207 opnion
Yeah, that's my argument.
Of course, McCain proved inept when talinging about the economy. If he had something to show that he believed in people - not govt. - solving the problem he might have looked better, but you are right. Who truly knows?
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Former Belgian Sat, Jan 17, 2009 12:55:33pm |
"...Our forces were well prepared, had all they needed..." (unlike in 2006, you [..])
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lincolntf Sat, Jan 17, 2009 12:55:38pm |
re: #209 MandyManners
The goal of making anti-Semites more emboldened throughout the world without achieving any real military gains?
They nailed that one.
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Killian Bundy Sat, Jan 17, 2009 12:56:04pm |
re: #210 Former Belgian
"... All security agencies concluded that both ruling and military ability of Ham-Ass got severely beaten..."
Excuse me? They're still firing rockets.
/wasn't stopping that from happening the whole object of the exercise?
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albusteve Sat, Jan 17, 2009 12:56:26pm |
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alegrias Sat, Jan 17, 2009 12:56:59pm |
re: #177 jwb7605
With one exception. USS Forrestal
He got a transfer to a different boat, could have gone home.
* * * *
Yes, ok, McCain's plane blew up on the USS Forrestal while on deck when another jet's missile cooked off and hit his plane.
My point was, McCain's actually killed his declared enemy, on enemy territory.
I don't know if Olmert actually was trained to kill the enemy as fighter pilots are trained to kill the enemy.
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Opinionated Sat, Jan 17, 2009 12:57:03pm |
Cabinet approves cease-fire agreement; two ministers object, one abstains (Haaretz)
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Guanxi88 Sat, Jan 17, 2009 12:57:42pm |
re: #218 albusteve
make up a few...you'd probably be correct every time
Look, if that's aimed at me, then it's puzzling and more than a little insulting.
I'm going to assume it's not, and go from there.
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ciaospirit Sat, Jan 17, 2009 12:58:09pm |
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wrenchwench Sat, Jan 17, 2009 12:58:12pm |
re: #215 Former Belgian
Thanks for the translation--much appreciated. Keep it coming!
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Dustyvet Sat, Jan 17, 2009 12:58:33pm |
re: #219 Iron Fist
If Hamas survives they win, no matter what lesser goals Israel may have achieved in the last couple of weeks.
As long as Hamas is firing rockets, hit them, hit them again, and keep hitting them period.
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Former Belgian Sat, Jan 17, 2009 12:58:38pm |
Olmert remmebers the fallen (3 citizens and 10 soldiers).
"We reached international understandings considering weakening of Ham-Ass, striving for stability, blocking smuggling,..." Mentions US, Egypt, and letter of Brown, Berlusconi, Sarkozy, and Merkel, with commitments on stopping weapons smuggling.
[Worth more than paper written on?]
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karmic_inquisitor Sat, Jan 17, 2009 12:58:42pm |
War Crime!
A unilateral end of operations deprives Hamas of winning some negotiating point and declaring victory! It is an effort to humiliate the Palestinian People ® and therefore is a war crime of the highest order and will be avenged!
/ Oh - and that means Israel can start the war back up any time it wants, without some useless agreement to be held to while Hamas ignores said useless agreement.
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vagabond trader Sat, Jan 17, 2009 12:58:52pm |
re: #91 Killian Bundy
What a surprise that this administration begins its reign knee high in sh#t.
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yma o hyd Sat, Jan 17, 2009 12:58:59pm |
'Reduce the smuggling into Gaza' - thath what they agreed with Egypt?
What?
Gawd - he waffles on - what does this all mean in practical terms?
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Noah's Arrrgh Sat, Jan 17, 2009 12:59:31pm |
re: #54 Former Belgian
Juan Cornholio is the very definition of the word "useful idiot".
Would his middle name be "big" as in "He's Juan Big Cornholio!"?
Just asking....
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alegrias Sat, Jan 17, 2009 12:59:32pm |
re: #183 hazzyday
Israel needs to be innovative and move warcrimes charges unto the lap of the UN in an effort to achieve clarity. They should also focus their media outreach and use it to restrict western media partisans. Make the media consumer come to the source of the information instead of the biased filter.
* * *
Yes, and we must do our part to make the biased filters go out of business.
No bailouts for PBS, or other leftist media organizations! I expect crappy biased media to die!
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ciaospirit Sat, Jan 17, 2009 12:59:34pm |
"The occupier must halt his fire immediately and withdraw from our land and lift his blockade and open all crossings and we will not accept any one Zionist soldier on our land, regardless of the price that it costs," Barhoum said.
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Shay4l Sat, Jan 17, 2009 1:00:21pm |
re: #182 Cato the Elder
I really hate to ask this, but what grounds do we have for thinking Shalit is still among the living?
If his remains are recovered, the scum lose one of their bargaining chips and his family has him back, and Hamas is humiliated.
If he is able to return alive to his family, Hamas is shattered and humiliated.
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albusteve Sat, Jan 17, 2009 1:00:30pm |
re: #222 Guanxi88
Look, if that's aimed at me, then it's puzzling and more than a little insulting.
I'm going to assume it's not, and go from there.
the pretense that the UN governs Israels fate
the pretense of a two state solution Israel
the pretense that Israel can live in harmony with warlords at her borders
the pretense that Israel is the aggressor
etc etc etc
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Former Belgian Sat, Jan 17, 2009 1:00:32pm |
Olmert recalls facts we all know about Ham-Ass using civilians as human shields, being mil. proxies for Iran,...
Iran tried to duplicate things from Lebanon.
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yma o hyd Sat, Jan 17, 2009 1:00:49pm |
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opnion Sat, Jan 17, 2009 1:00:51pm |
re: #202 Opinionated
UN just voted, cease fire is on!
Hamas will look like winners to their own popualc & all over Islam, even those who don't like it.
You are right ,US Pressure (Read Obama) must have been intense.
Israel should have continued the assault, since they were into it.
As we often act in Israels interest, I expect the same from them, but I do not expect Israel to commit suicide to please anybody.
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NY Nana Sat, Jan 17, 2009 1:00:56pm |
re: #230 MandyManners
Please do not insult sniveling idiots. He is just not even that good.
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Killian Bundy Sat, Jan 17, 2009 1:01:25pm |
re: #229 yma o hyd
Gawd - he waffles on - what does this all mean in practical terms?
/rockets continue to fall on Israel, just like they did before this all started
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jcm Sat, Jan 17, 2009 1:01:39pm |
re: #239 NY Nana
Please do not insult sniveling idiots. He is just not even that good.
*snivel*
Thank you!
;-)
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Former Belgian Sat, Jan 17, 2009 1:01:59pm |
Olmert: appointed Yitzchak Herzog MK (son of former pres. Chaim Herzog z"l) to coordinate aid to Gaza civilians.
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yma o hyd Sat, Jan 17, 2009 1:02:15pm |
I hope Barak will say what this ominous cease fire actually means in practical terms.
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Dustyvet Sat, Jan 17, 2009 1:02:21pm |
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karmic_inquisitor Sat, Jan 17, 2009 1:02:45pm |
re: #228 vagabond trader
What a surprise that this administration begins its reign knee high in sh#t.
The message of the Obama Administration so far is "No problem is too big to be glossed over. No moral rage is profound enough to be ignored. No corruption is too insidious to be called a distraction."
America has got itself a big ball of Cotton Candy (or Candy Floss for the Limeys out there). Very sweet but a whole lot of air. Not enough for a decent meal, but will ruin your appetite for it anyway.
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yma o hyd Sat, Jan 17, 2009 1:03:10pm |
re: #240 Killian Bundy
/rockets continue to fall on Israel, just like they did before this all started
I am feeling thoroughly sickened.
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WhiteRasta Sat, Jan 17, 2009 1:03:17pm |
re: #242 Former Belgian
Give aid to the terrorists? Have they gone batshit nuts, over there?
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vagabond trader Sat, Jan 17, 2009 1:03:23pm |
The Obama threatened to cut off funds to Israel is my guess.
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ArmyWife Sat, Jan 17, 2009 1:03:32pm |
re: #192 Former Belgian
they better keep their hands off my rooster.
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yma o hyd Sat, Jan 17, 2009 1:04:09pm |
Right - they will stop at two o'clock in the morning - time for the special forces to do a few more things!
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Cathypop Sat, Jan 17, 2009 1:04:19pm |
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Dustyvet Sat, Jan 17, 2009 1:04:19pm |
re: #250 vagabond trader
The Obama threatened to cut off funds to Israel is my guess.
Well, The One is going to do that anyway...
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Former Belgian Sat, Jan 17, 2009 1:04:21pm |
Olmert: Israel will cease fire tonight at 2 AM Israel time.
Says if Ham-Ass want another round Israel is ready and will open another can of whupass.
Says Ham-Ass was surprised by Israel's reactions, will be surprised again if try again.
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ArmyWife Sat, Jan 17, 2009 1:04:26pm |
re: #246 MandyManners
Thank you, Mandy. We must get the rooster. Who's in?
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Empire1 Sat, Jan 17, 2009 1:04:36pm |
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alegrias Sat, Jan 17, 2009 1:05:13pm |
re: #192 Former Belgian
ײַIn the Arab world, as long as you are left standing alive you can declare yourself the winner, even if all you've got left is two goats.
* * *
You could say Saddam Hussein's two sons were two goats, Uday & Qusay. Two goats with fucking billions of dollars, torture palaces, and unlimited petroleum resources.
We should have told the Cowardly COALITION partners to piss off, and just killed Saddam Hussein and his evil spawn when we had him in our sights back in 1991.
General Colin Powell, you are a coward unworthy of the positions you were given, not EARNED. And I blame Defense Sec. Frank Carlucci for elevating you in Ronald Reagan's administration.
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yma o hyd Sat, Jan 17, 2009 1:05:29pm |
re: #256 Former Belgian
Olmert: Israel will cease fire tonight at 2 AM Israel time.
Says if Ham-Ass want another round Israel is ready and will open another can of whupass.
Says Ham-Ass was surprised by Israel's reactions, will be surprised again if try again.
Main point - I hope they mean it, and will go through with this!
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karmic_inquisitor Sat, Jan 17, 2009 1:05:33pm |
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Former Belgian Sat, Jan 17, 2009 1:05:50pm |
Ends with words of praise for soldiers, commanders, Home Front Command, civilians,...
Getting AC adapter now, battery empty...
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coldpizza Sat, Jan 17, 2009 1:06:13pm |
"Top Saudi Cleric says its OK to wed underage Rooster"
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Opinionated Sat, Jan 17, 2009 1:07:08pm |
re: #238 opnion
UN just voted, cease fire is on!
.... but I do not expect Israel to commit suicide to please anybody.
The existentential question is whether it is suicide when someone else is holding a gun to your head with their finger on your finger on the trigger?
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brookly red Sat, Jan 17, 2009 1:07:13pm |
re: #250 vagabond trader
sigh, like he won't do that anyway...
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mean Gene Sat, Jan 17, 2009 1:07:14pm |
Britain, France and Germany are promising to keep smuggled weapons out of Hamas' hands via sea.
Egypt is promising the same via land and tunnel.
Israel is trusting them all.
And if it works it will ''contain'' Hamas.
Who else besides me sees Charlie Brown running at the football Lucy is holding?
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ArmyWife Sat, Jan 17, 2009 1:07:16pm |
Going grocery shopping. Maybe the world will right itself while I am away.
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Guanxi88 Sat, Jan 17, 2009 1:07:20pm |
re: #235 albusteve
the pretense that the UN governs Israels fate
the pretense of a two state solution Israel
the pretense that Israel can live in harmony with warlords at her borders
the pretense that Israel is the aggressor
etc etc etc
Oh, geez! that!.. Thought for a minute I'd stepped on toes.
The other stuff listed, well, anybody and everybody knows it (even Israel's enemies).
The UN don't govern crap. They've been on the wrong side since the end of WWII, when the victorious allies decided to include the dirty Russkis on the security counsel, and allow Commie perfidy to set the pattern for Islamo-fascist perfidy later.
Two-state = more Arabs, more opportunity for attacks on Jews in the Mideast. Saves them the trouble of having to travel to Europe or the States to slay the infidels.
Israel's an aggressor like a rape victim's a date.
Our enemies know this, revel in it, and don't mind if everybody else knows it to. They say: "And what are you gonna do about it?" And Eurodhimmies, wishing to avoid car-becues, riots, and possible loss in the next round of elections, drop to their knees to comply with their burgeoning "domestic" muslim constituency and fall in line with Syria et al to doom the Jewish state.
Domestically, petro-dollars, leftist control of the universities, idiotic immigration, and good, old fashioned antisemitism have all crawled into bed and the spawn of that unholy gang-bang can be seen in the anti-Israel hate-fests to which we ahve all been witness and victim lo these many years.
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rightymouse Sat, Jan 17, 2009 1:07:22pm |
re: #263 coldpizza
"Top Saudi Cleric says its OK to wed underage Rooster"
I'd hate to see what the dowry looks like.
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BenZacharia Sat, Jan 17, 2009 1:07:50pm |
re: #230 MandyManners
Olmert is a snivelling idiot.
It's not like Israel has a monopoly on that*.
*Every pres since RWR
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yma o hyd Sat, Jan 17, 2009 1:07:53pm |
re: #267 mean Gene
Britain, France and Germany are promising to keep smuggled weapons out of Hamas' hands via sea.
Egypt is promising the same via land and tunnel.
Israel is trusting them all.
And if it works it will ''contain'' Hamas.
Who else besides me sees Charlie Brown running at the football Lucy is holding?
Me.
(Raising hand!)
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sat, Jan 17, 2009 1:08:04pm |
Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert may be about to announce a unilateral ceasefire in Gaza; there’s liveblogging going on at Israellycool, Israel Matzav, The Muqata, Mere Rhetoric, and Soccer Dad.
What are we? Chopped liver?
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Former Belgian Sat, Jan 17, 2009 1:09:06pm |
Expresses regret for suffering of Gaza civilians, says Israel will withdraw at time of its own choosing if Ham-Ass indeed respect the cease-fire.
Praises security and rescue services.
On split-screen, impromptu victory demonstrations in Sderot.
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yma o hyd Sat, Jan 17, 2009 1:09:09pm |
If Hamas goes on with attacks, IDF will not leave Gaza.
Now he thanks Gabi Ashkenazi - well deserved!
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Pigtown Water Dog Sat, Jan 17, 2009 1:09:13pm |
re: #268 ArmyWife
Yes, that was my strategy when I left thos morning, and I came home to this thread. All is not right with the world.
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jorline Sat, Jan 17, 2009 1:09:58pm |
re: #246 MandyManners
WHAT ABOUT THE ROOSTER?
It should be no different than capture the flag...
I say the Rooster leaves with the IDF!
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alegrias Sat, Jan 17, 2009 1:10:17pm |
re: #201 Iron Fist
I have to disagree with you there. Osama's been dead for a while now. Just because we didn't cut off his head and play soccer with it doesn't make him any more alive.
The One that our enemies are already laughing at is Obama. I imagine that there are many enemies of America who'll be drinking a toast to the new king on Tuesday.
* * * *
Dear Iron Fist,
I want Osama bin Laden to be dead too. Without actual evidence of his death, Al Jazeera and sympathetic terrorists and their supporters in the media continue to broadcast Bin Laden's messages as though he were alive--you know, his spirit, like Che Guevara & Fidel Castro's causes tingly leg feelings in leftists and jihadists. This must stop.
Unfortunately, Al Qaeda still has the means to "virtually" throw shoes at our President, at America, and thereby embolden the cowardly jihadists they lead to murder innocents at will all over the globe.
(Did you see today's Wall Street Journal article saying Osama's son has moved from Iran to Pakistan? There's plenty of Osama wannabees we ought to be killing and making it public.)
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wrenchwench Sat, Jan 17, 2009 1:10:24pm |
re: #273 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
What are we? Chopped liver?
Right now we are rather dependent on Former Belgian....Oh wait! Olmert switched to English! And just then, Fox cut him off. WTF?
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albusteve Sat, Jan 17, 2009 1:10:38pm |
re: #269 Guanxi88
I only insult other posters in jest..otherwise it's rude imo :)
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opnion Sat, Jan 17, 2009 1:10:40pm |
For every uninformed or addled American who thinks that this cease fire is a good thing & proves Obama's magic , they have missed the point.
This set back for Israel is a set back for the U.S.
It looks to the Ummah like Western Style democracies can't stand against the Holy Warriors & proves the invincibilitry of the Jihad.
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monkeytime Sat, Jan 17, 2009 1:10:43pm |
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NY Nana Sat, Jan 17, 2009 1:10:58pm |
I am so angry right now about Olmerde essentially surrendering when Israel was winning, that I am going to take a break.
And he seems to have handed Hussein a gift, the f*ing schmuck. I kow that one of his sons (Olmerde's) lives in Paris, as a draft dodger, but Israel does not surrender like this, damn it.
And Olmerde's wife and daughter are both so far left..daughter regularly shows up at any anti-Israel rally she can find...by the 'peaceknuckleheads'™ in Israel..
Damn, damn, damn.
Hussein must be doing the Snoopy Dance..he doesn't even have to try to get Israel to stop defending itself..their corrupt government has done it for him.
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yma o hyd Sat, Jan 17, 2009 1:11:07pm |
Now he's saying something in English - to the World's MFM, but the Beeb effen talking head is taking over.
Will Barak speak?
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Former Belgian Sat, Jan 17, 2009 1:11:32pm |
Olmert continues in English, talking heads blabbing over him...
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Empire1 Sat, Jan 17, 2009 1:12:32pm |
re: #267 mean Gene
Who else besides me sees Charlie Brown running at the football Lucy is holding?
::raises hand:: *&%$% it!
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Opinionated Sat, Jan 17, 2009 1:13:00pm |
re: #287 Former Belgian
Olmert continues in English, talking heads blabbing over him...
Anyone handing him any envelopes?
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Former Belgian Sat, Jan 17, 2009 1:13:15pm |
Barak will speak after him, as was announced by Olmert's press secretary before Olmert began. Barak holding prepared speech, getting ready...
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Guanxi88 Sat, Jan 17, 2009 1:13:25pm |
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yma o hyd Sat, Jan 17, 2009 1:13:37pm |
Heh - the Beeb 'leaves Tel aviv for the moment' - and guess what they report on now?
Yep, B0's coming coronation!
Gawd - between crying for the poor hamassholes and crying for B0 they'll shortly run out of hankies at the Beeb!
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yma o hyd Sat, Jan 17, 2009 1:14:06pm |
re: #290 Former Belgian
Barak will speak after him, as was announced by Olmert's press secretary before Olmert began. Barak holding prepared speech, getting ready...
Not on the Beeb - they've gotta talk about B0!
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brookly red Sat, Jan 17, 2009 1:14:24pm |
re: #267 mean Gene
Britain, France and Germany are promising to keep smuggled weapons out of Hamas' hands via sea.
Egypt is promising the same via land and tunnel.
Israel is trusting them all.
And if it works it will ''contain'' Hamas.
Who else besides me sees Charlie Brown running at the football Lucy is holding?
Britain & France can't even keep weapons out of Britain & France, at least the bombs on German trains were duds...
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karmic_inquisitor Sat, Jan 17, 2009 1:15:02pm |
re: #260 yma o hyd
Main point - I hope they mean it, and will go through with this!
Hey - this whole operation is about Obama.
It was timed to make clear that the shit can fly and that Israel has the means to do what it wants where it wants vis a vis the Palestinians.
We all know that Obama is less than forthright about Israel. This guy wants to re arrange the chess board altogether with an idea of changing it into a new game where he gets to declare himself the winner. I think Olmert and the Israeli left agreed with the Israeli right in one sentiment - "Fuck that noise".
Israel has prepared the battlefield for the next 4 years. It has forced US lawmakers on record as deploring Hamas and supporting Israel. It has bitten a huge hole in Hamas' ass. It has now deprived Hamas of any credible claim of "victory" whatsoever. It is now going to force Iran to resupply Gaza under Obama's nose. It has now created breathing space for non-Hamas Palestinians in Gaza to try to challenge a weakened Hamas as the world watches - will Obama condemn Hamas as they re assert authority through violence and repression? Or will he show his inner coward and ignore it? Can he afford to do that in front of Iran?
The start of the war was timed for Obama as was the end. Ball is in Obama's court, and if he tries to make Hamas look anyway normal or benign, his ass is grass.
And if Juan Cole thinks his call for peace is what did the trick, who cares? His ego is so expansive (and is inversely proportioned to his intelligence) that he considers the sun rising out of the East some form of self affirmation.
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Former Belgian Sat, Jan 17, 2009 1:15:24pm |
Sderot mayor expresses satisfaction that Olmert spoke about immediate response to any renewed rocket fire on Sderot.
Fact is, gov't tried to relate to years-long rocket fire on Sderot as a nuisance, but no longer could when started falling on Ashkelon, Ashdod, Beer-Sheva,...
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opnion Sat, Jan 17, 2009 1:15:30pm |
re: #278 alegrias
Osama is like Elvis. Even dead , he is still a player.
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Guanxi88 Sat, Jan 17, 2009 1:15:36pm |
re: #294 brookly red
Britain & France can't even keep
weaponsGermansout of Britain &; France...
Transposition error; happens to me all the time.
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Former Belgian Sat, Jan 17, 2009 1:16:40pm |
Oded Granot (Arab affairs commentator) expects Ham-Ass to try and get in the last shot for propaganda purposes.
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brookly red Sat, Jan 17, 2009 1:18:31pm |
re: #297 opnion
i just spat beer on my momitor... thank you. :)
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Bob Dillon Sat, Jan 17, 2009 1:18:58pm |
re: #285 NY Nana
It is painful - we knew it was most likely going to happen once again - so here we are and it's still painful because with the present attitudes - this will never end.
Besides - it's one of the more reliable, long term, moneymakers for the UN.
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Former Belgian Sat, Jan 17, 2009 1:19:03pm |
Barak now getting on stage...
"Operational successes exceptional... In light of international understandings, Israel decides to answer the Egyptian request for a cease-fire"
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Muadib Sat, Jan 17, 2009 1:19:49pm |
re: #133 Sharmuta
It's like the montage of Bill Murray getting smacked over and over again.
It's an insane cycle of hatred, denial, and corruption. My heart sinks every time Israel is condemned for defending itself. I'm bewildered each time the Palestinian Government/Militants get away with premeditated murder, done in the open for all to see.
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alegrias Sat, Jan 17, 2009 1:20:26pm |
re: #297 opnion
Osama is like Elvis. Even dead , he is still a player.
* * *
You said it, though Elvis may not like what you said!
Totalitarians worship dead terrorists, any terrorists--the worse they are, the more leftists love them.
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wrenchwench Sat, Jan 17, 2009 1:20:58pm |
From Ynet:
[Olmert:] "Iran, with its weapons smuggling, attempted to do with Hamas what it did with Hizbullah in Lebanon," he said. "This is not a ceasefire with Hamas. These are understanding with elements in the international community which Hamas, as an illegitimate entity, has no place to be involved in."The PM also noted that for the time being the IDF would not be withdrawing from Gaza.
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Former Belgian Sat, Jan 17, 2009 1:22:56pm |
"Israel reserves the right to do whatever is needed."
"You only go to war if you have to, without arrogant declarations, you make sure you are prepared and do what you have to do." (not-so veiled criticism of his predecessor, Anusclown Peretz)
"IDF at its best, with the help of the Shin Bet, dealt a severe blow to Ham-Ass"
"1,200 Gazans killed, among them hundreds of Ham-Ass 'fighters' and several head cheeses."
Recalls the fallen by name.
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yma o hyd Sat, Jan 17, 2009 1:23:40pm |
Just to round this off:
IDF to remain in Gaza until it's clear Hamas ends rocket fire
And another talking head said on the Beeb just now that all this is done over the head of Hamas, Hamas is in no way involved - but if they fire rockets, or if they attack Israeli soldiers in Gaza, the deal will be off. That was the Beeb's correspondent's interpretation.
I hope he's right - I hope the IDF special forces are still combing the tunnels for further hamassholes to send on teir way, until 2 a.m. - and I hope some hot-headed hamsthugs will try and see what happens if they attack IDF soldiers.
Do you feel lucky, punks?
Do you?
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wrenchwench Sat, Jan 17, 2009 1:24:37pm |
From Ynet, same link:
Turning his attention to IDF captive Gilad Shalit, Olmert said: "The Israeli government is working in many ways to bring Gilad Shalit home and, during the days of the operation, we did many things that brought us closer to this goal, upon which I will not elaborate.""Gilad is at the top of our list of priorities," the PM said.
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Former Belgian Sat, Jan 17, 2009 1:25:55pm |
Sends best wishes for speedy recovery to the wounded.
Says IDF did best to mitigate ciilian casualties in Gaza, but impossible to prevent with murderous enemy that cynically uses civilians as human shields.
Says sent 250,000 phone and fax messages to civilians warning them to take cover before strike --- knows no other army that ever went to these lengths.
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Lincolntf Sat, Jan 17, 2009 1:27:02pm |
re: #303 Muadib
It is indeed a sickening cycle.
But more and more Israel is beginning to resemble the battered wife who always goes back to her husband, declines to press charges, and tells everyone in her family that "he" has changed. At some point, the woman is deliberately sacrificing her own safety for reasons known only to her.
No amount of support can help her if she continuously returns to the guy who batters her.
In this case, the "guy" could be the U.N., the media, or Hamas itself. The result is the same.
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yma o hyd Sat, Jan 17, 2009 1:27:12pm |
re: #310 Former Belgian
Sends best wishes for speedy recovery to the wounded.
Says IDF did best to mitigate ciilian casualties in Gaza, but impossible to prevent with murderous enemy that cynically uses civilians as human shields.
Says sent 250,000 phone and fax messages to civilians warning them to take cover before strike --- knows no other army that ever went to these lengths.
MFM won't care - they're only interested in the sufferings of Arabs.
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Dustyvet Sat, Jan 17, 2009 1:27:22pm |
re: #264 yma o hyd
Waiting for Barak to say something.
He's out at the moment on a choo-choo ride...and on the 20th of January 2009 he derails the rest of the country.
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notutopia Sat, Jan 17, 2009 1:28:08pm |
re: #309 wrenchwench
From Ynet, same link:
Thanks wrenchwench for posting this. Many have been waiting to hear of the fate of Gilad Shalit's return home.
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Opinionated Sat, Jan 17, 2009 1:28:15pm |
re: #310 Former Belgian
Says sent 250,000 phone and fax messages to civilians warning them to take cover before strike --- knows no other army that ever went to these lengths.
That's because when Armies go to war they intend to defeat the enemy not win a congeniality award.
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yma o hyd Sat, Jan 17, 2009 1:28:27pm |
re: #313 Dustyvet
He's out at the moment on a choo-choo ride...and on the 20th of January 2009 he derails the rest of the country.
Not that Barak - the Ehud Barak!
Tstststs
;-)
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Former Belgian Sat, Jan 17, 2009 1:29:01pm |
Praises home front for steadfastness and high morale, "return to the values of Israel of old".
Gilad Shalit: we're still doing everything to bring him home. "Unwritten covenant between IDF and parents of soldiers."
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yma o hyd Sat, Jan 17, 2009 1:29:28pm |
re: #315 Opinionated
That's because when Armies go to war they intend to defeat the enemy not win a congeniality award.
When Israel goes to war, she has to win the congeniality award as well.
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Dustyvet Sat, Jan 17, 2009 1:29:46pm |
re: #316 yma o hyd
Not that Barak - the Ehud Barak!
Tstststs;-)
Whoops..handing back Yorkie Bar and goes to hide in the Linen Press...
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yma o hyd Sat, Jan 17, 2009 1:31:08pm |
re: #317 Former Belgian
Praises home front for steadfastness and high morale, "return to the values of Israel of old".
Gilad Shalit: we're still doing everything to bring him home. "Unwritten covenant between IDF and parents of soldiers."
I think they are still working on getting him out - but thats stuff for the Special Forces, not to be talked about until its over.
This is the most they can say in public, and it is encouraging.
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notutopia Sat, Jan 17, 2009 1:31:38pm |
re: #317 Former Belgian
Thank you so much Former Belgian for the online interpretations and for you sharing them and posting them for all of us to read.
It is much appreciated.
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Opinionated Sat, Jan 17, 2009 1:32:01pm |
Feedback in a month.
Will the Israeli people reward these fools who first surrendered Gaza, then allowed years and years of rocket fire on Israel and then succumbed to pressure to stop fighting while missiles were still strike Israel.
And the worst sin- believing in International guarantees.
The verdict of the Israeli people will show if it's only a Government of fools or a Government the country deserves.
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Lincolntf Sat, Jan 17, 2009 1:32:06pm |
re: #309 wrenchwench
I hope he's being honest about this. Rescuing Gilad Shalit would remove a lot of the sting from my disappointment.
Trading him for hundreds of terrorists would be less satisfying symbolically, but it would still get the kid home, so I guess I'd have to support it.
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yma o hyd Sat, Jan 17, 2009 1:32:19pm |
re: #319 Dustyvet
Whoops..handing back Yorkie Bar and goes to hide in the Linen Press...
Eat that Yorkie Bar, but keep yer chocolate-covered fingers out of the clean linen!
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Former Belgian Sat, Jan 17, 2009 1:32:21pm |
Barak: "we need to remain prepared, as other challenges will await us". Will do all to ensure every Israeli citizen will get that which everybody everywhere else takes for granted: peace and tranquillity.
Note: Both Olmert and Barak praised Livni.
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Dustyvet Sat, Jan 17, 2009 1:32:21pm |
re: #315 Opinionated
That's because when Armies go to war they intend to defeat the enemy not win a congeniality award.
Bing bong...IDF calling...
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offendi Sat, Jan 17, 2009 1:32:36pm |
It is key to understand the meaning of the unilateral ceasefire. The final blow to Hamas would cause unavoidable greater casualties in a small nation, something Kadima and Labour cannot have weeks before the election. Both Hamas and Hezbollah saw the media-generated hand ringing over getting back the two soldiers that Hezbollah took, returned dead of course, and correctly interpreted that Israel did not have the stomach or will to accept loses. To our islamic fundamentalists, human life has lesser value. All they need to do to declare victory is survive.
The thinking of the Israeli leadership is that they have regained some deterrent power, and maybe made Iran think twice about their capacity to inflict pain on them based on the operational successes in Gaza. So it is all ok. Well, not really.
Americans need to think long and hard about this, for several reasons. Like Israel, the USA under Obama and the dems believe its technological superiority in weaponry creates deterrence and allows it to limit itself to half-assed military measures with the most limited casualties. Think Clinton-style. It really doesn't with terrorists and fundamentalists. Second, like the Israeli leadership in love with ineffective diplomacy, the incoming Obama administration will emphasis talk in international arenas, rather than effective projection of power. This is defined as weakness by the forces confronting this country. I would sadly say the US is in for trying times.
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Opinionated Sat, Jan 17, 2009 1:32:55pm |
re: #318 yma o hyd
When Israel goes to war, she has to win the congeniality award as well.
Except that she never does no matter what, so she might as well win one out of two- the war.
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outsidephilly Sat, Jan 17, 2009 1:33:23pm |
re: #317 Former Belgian
Thank you for keeping us up on the happenings there (you have quick typing fingers, that's for sure!)
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yma o hyd Sat, Jan 17, 2009 1:33:27pm |
re: #321 notutopia
Thank you so much Former Belgian for the online interpretations and for you sharing them and posting them for all of us to read.
It is much appreciated.
I second that!
Thank you very much indeed!
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Dustyvet Sat, Jan 17, 2009 1:33:56pm |
re: #324 yma o hyd
Eat that Yorkie Bar, but keep yer chocolate-covered fingers out of the clean linen!
Yes em, please don't hurt me...:) tossing Plush sheep for Border Collie...:)
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Former Belgian Sat, Jan 17, 2009 1:34:02pm |
This ends his speech. Olmert pats Barak on the face, Barak smiles but smile is a bit ironic/forced.
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yma o hyd Sat, Jan 17, 2009 1:35:06pm |
re: #325 Former Belgian
Barak: "we need to remain prepared, as other challenges will await us". Will do all to ensure every Israeli citizen will get that which everybody everywhere else takes for granted: peace and tranquillity.
Note: Both Olmert and Barak praised Livni.
Well well well!
Do they see her as next Prime minister?
Or do they want to put a nice, Livni-shaped spoke in the wheels of the Bibi-campaign?
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outsidephilly Sat, Jan 17, 2009 1:35:39pm |
re: #333 coldpizza
Rooster to speak after obama
Oh you mean Fluffy? Another lizard, late last night, named the rooster, Fluffy . , , , ,
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debutaunt Sat, Jan 17, 2009 1:35:45pm |
re: #328 Opinionated
Except that she never does no matter what, so she might as well win one out of two- the war.
That would lead to respect which would have a lot more impact than the "best smile" award.
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So? Sat, Jan 17, 2009 1:36:51pm |
Giving in to world pressure AGAIN. Pure stupidity.
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Dustyvet Sat, Jan 17, 2009 1:37:18pm |
Hamas drum and bugle corps to march in inauguration parade...:) Lead by Drum Major Achmed and his Rooster...:)
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notutopia Sat, Jan 17, 2009 1:37:23pm |
Former Belgian, Thank you from ALL of us for your interpretations!
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yma o hyd Sat, Jan 17, 2009 1:38:44pm |
re: #328 Opinionated
Except that she never does no matter what, so she might as well win one out of two- the war.
True - I think she'll have learned that this time. thats why, I believe, the IDF will stay in Gaza, and why tthey israeli government will hopefully put the Europeans and the US on the spot in regard to help.
Rice has already signed this Memorandum of Understanding - Hillary has to abide by it, and the Europeans now must be made to give proper support.
That they also do it out of shame after the recent demos against Israel, and the evident antisemitism - well, i live in hope ...
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Dustyvet Sat, Jan 17, 2009 1:39:02pm |
re: #338 Dustyvet
Hamas drum and bugle corps to march in inauguration parade...:) Lead by Drum Major Achmed and his Rooster...:)
Fluffy does all the baton work...:)
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So? Sat, Jan 17, 2009 1:39:12pm |
Prediction: New world demonstrations: "We are all Hamas!
BIG MISTAKE --- 93% of Israelis were/are for this operation, why is the government not obeying the will of the Israeli populace?
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yma o hyd Sat, Jan 17, 2009 1:40:18pm |
re: #331 Dustyvet
Yes em, please don't hurt me...:) tossing Plush sheep for Border Collie...:)
Would I!
But that plush sheep - big mistake!
Madame will just tear it to bits and remove all the stuffing ...
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yma o hyd Sat, Jan 17, 2009 1:41:23pm |
re: #332 Former Belgian
This ends his speech. Olmert pats Barak on the face, Barak smiles but smile is a bit ironic/forced.
I'm sure we'd all like to know your take on this cease fire, and what it might mean in next days and weeks.
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Dustyvet Sat, Jan 17, 2009 1:41:24pm |
re: #343 yma o hyd
Would I!
But that plush sheep - big mistake!
Madame will just tear it to bits and remove all the stuffing ...
She must be a wonderful pup...:)
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Former Belgian Sat, Jan 17, 2009 1:43:01pm |
IDF Home Front Commander: in "rocket zone" recommendations re: shelters etc. still operative for at least the next day.
Yossi Peled again: still hasn't heard a concrete explanation just how re-arming of Ham-Ass will be stopped.
Ayala Khasson: no self-congratulation, no wild shouting of victory, just satisfaction on limited goals achieved and cautious optimism (my paraphrase).
Commercial break now: rest will just be talking heads anyhow, so will stop live-blogging at least for now.
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yma o hyd Sat, Jan 17, 2009 1:43:45pm |
re: #342 So?
Prediction: New world demonstrations: "We are all Hamas!
BIG MISTAKE --- 93% of Israelis were/are for this operation, why is the government not obeying the will of the Israeli populace?
Heh.
Have you ever met a government that fulfills the will of its populace?
A democratic government, I mean - dictatorships thell the populace what it has to want, or else, and then fufills it.
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jorline Sat, Jan 17, 2009 1:44:48pm |
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yma o hyd Sat, Jan 17, 2009 1:46:29pm |
re: #345 Dustyvet
She must be a wonderful pup...:)
She was a total terror when she was young - now I know, when its quiet, that she's dozing (old age, see) - then, I knew she was up to something nefarious, like chewing table legs, or carpets ... cricket balls ...toilet duck bottles ... never a dull moment, usually hilarious!
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yma o hyd Sat, Jan 17, 2009 1:47:45pm |
re: #346 Former Belgian
IDF Home Front Commander: in "rocket zone" recommendations re: shelters etc. still operative for at least the next day.
Yossi Peled again: still hasn't heard a concrete explanation just how re-arming of Ham-Ass will be stopped.
Ayala Khasson: no self-congratulation, no wild shouting of victory, just satisfaction on limited goals achieved and cautious optimism (my paraphrase).
Commercial break now: rest will just be talking heads anyhow, so will stop live-blogging at least for now.
Again - many thanks!
We've appreciated it very much indeed.
Keep safe!
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NY Nana Sat, Jan 17, 2009 1:49:49pm |
re: #169 alegrias
He actually was in the IDF......Charles has a thread with Olmerde's CV.
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path Sat, Jan 17, 2009 1:53:25pm |
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Former Belgian Sat, Jan 17, 2009 1:53:41pm |
re: #344 yma o hyd
I'm sure we'd all like to know your take on this cease fire, and what it might mean in next days and weeks.
Obviously, I would have loved to see Ismail Haniyeh dragged out of his bunker and publicly strung up by his "eggs" on Rabin Square in Tel-Aviv, but sadly that's not a practical option. At least their #3 is now learning that "72 virgins" was the demo version (the production version is him being a 'virgin' serving 72).
The #1 achievement: restoring the IDF's reputation/deterrent power, which got severely dented in 2006.
The other thing: I keep hearing reports that from certain Arab countries, the reaction was "Booyay" ("Boo" in public, "yea" in private). Especially Egypt has no more use for Ham-Ass than we do, since Ham-Ass is basically the "export edition" of the Muslim Brotherhood (the #1 domestic opponent of the Egyptian rulers).
(continued)
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Dustyvet Sat, Jan 17, 2009 1:55:03pm |
re: #351 NY Nana
He actually was in the IDF......Charles has a thread with Olmerde's CV.
On latrine duty and KP...till the second coming...
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Former Belgian Sat, Jan 17, 2009 1:55:45pm |
re: #351 NY Nana
In the Golani Brigade (=elite unit), no less... was wounded and then served out his service as a reporter for the IDF news magazine, "Bamachane" (in the [army] camp).
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NY Nana Sat, Jan 17, 2009 1:58:32pm |
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NY Nana Sat, Jan 17, 2009 2:01:15pm |
re: #355 Former Belgian
When I saw the Golani Brigade, I actually did a double take. Yes, he was injured, but I am trying to recall which American politician also was a reporter in the US Military, and thus claimed he served.
/Olmerde must have done cartoons.
Can't remember!
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Buster Bunny Sat, Jan 17, 2009 2:01:38pm |
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Killian Bundy Sat, Jan 17, 2009 2:02:06pm |
The real reason Bill Clinton pardoned Marc Rich
Still, it would have been a refreshing change from the usual confirmation minuet if instead of humbly apologizing, Holder had tartly instructed the buffoonish Specter, his fellow senators, the press, and the public about the actual circumstances of the Rich affair. He might have started with the fact that continuous lobbying on Rich's behalf from the highest Israeli leaders and their American friends -- among whom Specter no doubt counts himself -- became even more intense in the days before Clinton left office. He could have noted that such pressures coincided with Clinton's efforts to conclude a peace agreement between the Israelis and Palestinians. And he could have explained to Specter that Rich's deals in Iran and Iraq were often related to his other role -- as an asset of the Mossad who gathered intelligence and helped to rescue endangered Jews from those regimes.
/ye gods, what manner of blasphemous, revisionist bull[expletive deleted] is this?
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yma o hyd Sat, Jan 17, 2009 2:02:37pm |
re: #353 Former Belgian
I think Haniey is a spent force - he's been calling for a ceasefire from his rathole a few times - when his colleagues were all calling for more Jewis blood. sure, theyw ere sitting pretty in damscus and Beirut, but so what - he should have taken the martyr's way out, right? So if he's not been dragged out in the next trhee hours or so, his 'brothers' will surely help him on his way.
As for the other Arab countries - 'boo-yea' seems spot on.
The silence from Saudi Arabia was deafening - and Morocco, Algiers and the Gulf states were pretty quiet.
Even the usual seethings after Friday prayers were piffling - nothing compared to the antisemitic crowds all over Europe and in some American and Canadian towns.
I think they all know that Iran is the puppet master - and that is more frightening than Israel - for the time being.
Lets not forget that this is for the time being only.
We all know now what the Qur'an has to say about Jews.
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Daryl Herbert Sat, Jan 17, 2009 2:04:19pm |
It's only a Hudna if you accept Hamas' terms.
Israel is setting its own terms, and setting conditions in advance that will cause it to carry out more precision strikes--or even to expand the invasion.
Also, from what I understand, Israel is not pulling out.
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yma o hyd Sat, Jan 17, 2009 2:05:38pm |
re: #361 Daryl Herbert
It's only a Hudna if you accept Hamas' terms.
Israel is setting its own terms, and setting conditions in advance that will cause it to carry out more precision strikes--or even to expand the invasion.
Also, from what I understand, Israel is not pulling out.
Good point - but what about Egypt?
They know about hudna as well ...
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offendi Sat, Jan 17, 2009 2:11:42pm |
Olmert's service does not compare to Barak or Netanyahu's. Barak commanded an elite special forces unit and Netanyahu served with great distinction. I believe Netanyahu served in the atzanhanim (paratroopers) which has traditionally been the most elite and of similar status of selection to Israeli pilots.
Bibi's brother, z"l, died in the successful raid on Entebbe in Uganda that secured the release of the seized Israeli and Jewish hostages.
Livonia's experience, on the other hand, was to apartment sit as a Mossed agent in France.
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Former Belgian Sat, Jan 17, 2009 2:12:03pm |
(continued)
An aside about medical care and humanitarian aid for the Gaza residents: in fact, this is something that costs Israel little and may be of considerable "hasbara" value. Churchill had it right: in defeat, defiance; in victory, magnanimity. I yield to nobody at LGF in my loathing for Ham-Ass but unintended civilian casualties (a.k.a. "collateral damage") are never something to be celebrated.
The important thing is that we reserve the right to go at it again if need be, and that in the next few weeks we keep our troops in positions that will make this easier.
Switched to channel 2: now turns out that 8 ministers of the security cabinet voted in favor, the two who voted against were Roni Bar-On (Kadima) and Eli Yishai (Shas): Rafi Eitan of the pensioners' party (best known as Jonathan Pollard's alleged handler) abstained. Meeting was supposedly stormy.
Some Ham-Ass spokesman named Osama Khamdan on now spouting the usual BS (what's in a name: "Khamdan" means "covetous person" in Hebrew).
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morning star Sat, Jan 17, 2009 2:12:50pm |
re: #59 alegrias
* * *
Who cares about European desires? German police took down Israeli flags from an Israeli embassy to APPEASE thousand of rioting jihadis in DUISBURG, Germany.
It wasn't an embassy, they broke inte a PRIVATE HOME to appease the rioting jihadists.
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NY Nana Sat, Jan 17, 2009 2:14:08pm |
re: #301 Bobibutu
It is painful - we knew it was most likely going to happen once again - so here we are and it's still painful because with the present attitudes - this will never end.
Besides - it's one of the more reliable, long term, moneymakers for the UN.
I was dumb enough to actually think that because of Israel's upcoming elections in a few weeks that their incompetent 'leaders' would actually stay in it until they achieved a victory. Was I ever wrong!
And besides kissing the U.N.'s bloody ass, they paved the way for Hussein to try and destroy Israel, along with Shrill..they handed this to him.
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Muadib Sat, Jan 17, 2009 2:14:12pm |
re: #311 Lincolntf
In this case, the "battered wife" is encouraged to go back and seek a peaceful solution to the beatings. Israel cannot just get up and leave. A majority of the worlds governments place enormous pressure on Israel to negotiate with a totally unreasonable enemy, and to exercise extreme restraint in dealing with the attacks. The Israelis are fighting while walking on a tight rope. Deadly attacks on one side, condemnation from terrorist enablers and sympathizers on the other.
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Former Belgian Sat, Jan 17, 2009 2:16:15pm |
re: #363 offendi
Olmert's service does not compare to Barak or Netanyahu's. Barak commanded an elite special forces unit and Netanyahu served with great distinction. I believe Netanyahu served in the atzanhanim (paratroopers) which has traditionally been the most elite and of similar status of selection to Israeli pilots.
Bibi's brother, z"l, died in the successful raid on Entebbe in Uganda that secured the release of the seized Israeli and Jewish hostages.
All three served in the Sayeret Matka"l (lit.: General Staff Reconnaissance Unit, which is Israel's top Special Forces unit). Barak did command it (during, e.g., the successful un-hijacking of a Belgian passenger plane), then moved on to bigger army things (he became Chief of Staff). Yoni Netanyahu hy"d commanded the Raid on Entebbe.
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DistantThunder Sat, Jan 17, 2009 2:17:03pm |
This hudna is good thing. Dick Morris predicted it because these Israeli leaders are doves at heart - if they had been hawks they would have dealt with the rockets immediately.
Morris' prediction is that the ceasefire will pave the way for BEBE to take office.
Please God...bless the Israelis so they will act in their own self interest.
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Kosh's Shadow Sat, Jan 17, 2009 2:17:22pm |
re: #73 akak
an off the record demand by Obama gave the Israeli's 2 weeks to get it done
I believe it; the entire Israeli behavior is consistent with this.
The question is, what will happen when Ham-ass keeps firing rockets? They aren't going to stop.
Watch for binding resolutions against Israel at the UN -voted FOR by the US.
Or US troops trying to stop Hamas from launching attacks on Israel. They'll be more effective than UNFIL - only because Hamas won't launch from right in front of them. But that isn't saying much. Hamas will find some other place to launch, and then make sure some children are there to get shot if the troops try to get the launchers. If the troops don't shoot, Hamas will shoot them anyway.
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Ateam Sat, Jan 17, 2009 2:30:09pm |
It's O.K. The Arabs all know what d real meaning of it. shock & horror r show en on Muslim nets T.V.
Here in Israel we feel great. Thanks a lot 4 your support. It means big time 4 us.
(sorry d poor English)
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Lincolntf Sat, Jan 17, 2009 2:32:03pm |
re: #367 Muadib
I know the analogy stretches thin pretty quickly, but Israel should (and eventually will, or they will die) kill/utterly destroy the terrorists and then the terrorist sympathizers will be moot.
Israel can't get up and move, but they can stop taking advice from the batterers enablers and start looking out for themselves.
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lionfromzion Sat, Jan 17, 2009 2:32:13pm |
Vile, filthy, stinkin' leftists. We're all worried that Obama will abandon Israel as the leftist morons in Israel do it. We're our own worst enemies.
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Kosh's Shadow Sat, Jan 17, 2009 2:39:27pm |
re: #373 lionfromzion
Vile, filthy, stinkin' leftists. We're all worried that Obama will abandon Israel as the leftist morons in Israel do it. We're our own worst enemies.
I think the Israeli government did it under pressure from the incoming 0bama administration. (They're incoming like ordnance.)
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Former Belgian Sat, Jan 17, 2009 2:43:41pm |
re: #371 Ateam
It's O.K. The Arabs all know what d real meaning of it. shock & horror r show en on Muslim nets T.V.
Here in Israel we feel great. Thanks a lot 4 your support. It means big time 4 us.(sorry d poor English)
I second this. The moral support of people like the LGF crowd means a lot to all of us who read English. Friends in need are friends indeed.
I am going to call it a night --- have to get up early tomorrow. G'nite y'all.
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wrenchwench Sat, Jan 17, 2009 2:50:23pm |
re: #371 Ateam
It's O.K. The Arabs all know what d real meaning of it. shock & horror r show en on Muslim nets T.V.
Here in Israel we feel great. Thanks a lot 4 your support. It means big time 4 us.(sorry d poor English)
Welcome, Ateam. I had no trouble understanding what you meant. You write with a cute accent....
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wrenchwench Sat, Jan 17, 2009 2:51:04pm |
re: #375 Former Belgian
I second this. The moral support of people like the LGF crowd means a lot to all of us who read English. Friends in need are friends indeed.
I am going to call it a night --- have to get up early tomorrow. G'nite y'all.
Thanks again, Former.
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Promethea Sat, Jan 17, 2009 3:29:29pm |
re: #311 Lincolntf
It is indeed a sickening cycle.
But more and more Israel is beginning to resemble the battered wife who always goes back to her husband, declines to press charges, and tells everyone in her family that "he" has changed. At some point, the woman is deliberately sacrificing her own safety for reasons known only to her.
No amount of support can help her if she continuously returns to the guy who batters her.
In this case, the "guy" could be the U.N., the media, or Hamas itself. The result is the same.
I agree. There is something seriously wrong with this "purity of arms" concept in the face of killers who want you dead dead dead. Some LGFers have said that maybe Israel suffers Stockholm Syndrome. Looking back over Jewish history, I see that the Jews didn't become so antiwarlike until they were savagely crushed by the Romans. Then they became a peaceful people--due to necessity. At least this tells us something about how to treat Hamas members, if not their families and neighbors.
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alegrias Sat, Jan 17, 2009 3:38:37pm |
re: #357 NY Nana
When I saw the Golani Brigade, I actually did a double take. Yes, he was injured, but I am trying to recall which American politician also was a reporter in the US Military, and thus claimed he served.
/Olmerde must have done cartoons.
Can't remember!
* * *
Nana, that was AL GORE! He was probably a stoned military "reporter," who did a couple months stints as a protected Senator's son, in Vietnam.
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alegrias Sat, Jan 17, 2009 3:42:42pm |
re: #365 morning star
It wasn't an embassy, they broke inte a PRIVATE HOME to appease the rioting jihadists.
* * * *
Cowardly Germans should let private homes fly the Israeli flag.
I think I'll get one for myself & let my freak flag fly!
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Promethea Sat, Jan 17, 2009 3:44:18pm |
At the end of this thread, the consensus seems to be that the truce is OK. I hope so.
I'm quite a peaceful person (believe it or not), and I hope that Israel's demonstration of force has severely weakened Hamas and enlightened its Iranian backers.
Things are never what they seem in Middle Eastern affairs, so maybe the truce is a good thing.
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chouch Sat, Jan 17, 2009 3:46:55pm |
oi vey. i hope something good comes of this.. even just 1 thing.
For the record, I don't see allotting down time for the Iranian sponsored 'Ergonomics In the Workplace' seminar as a good thing.
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Birdalone Sat, Jan 17, 2009 4:12:43pm |
re: #162 Iron Fist
both right. But this time is different because Iran re-armed Hamas with the Katyusha rockets more accurate, longer range.
So, Israel gives Obama a few days to see what he does, allegedly starting with Syria and Iran as he promised JPost, and as Hillary promised during her confirmation.
Clearly, Israel is in a tougher mood because the world reaction has been more withering than usual once the UN took big hits in Gaza (oops). IDF was probably celebrating Iran becoming the chair of UNDP last week - now Iran is in charge of distributing NINE BILLION USD of development aid without oversight.
[Link: www.forbes.com...]
Latest JPost poll had 78% support from Israelis. Netanyahu still leading the polls.
I am not yet clear as to where the IDF maintains position during this unilateral ceasefire.
One thing you all can do to help is call your congresspeople. On Jan 9, CODE PINK started an aggressive campaign to force a congressional vote on support for the Palestinians in Gaza after HRes 34 in support of Israel's right to defend herself passed 390-5 with 22 voting present.
How do I know this? CODE PINK is using MyBO Group email.
CHARLES: You did not go far enough in exposing the Israel-bashing anti-war left using MyBO. They migrated into Group email after you exposed the blogposts last summer.
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PayBackTime Sat, Jan 17, 2009 4:13:37pm |
Supposedly Israel will, sadly, do a unilateral ceasefire.
The BBC, vile Guardian of Islamofascism and the Independent of Reality will ignore the rocket, mortar attacks emanating from Gaza.
I hope that the ceasefire ends soon, with no Israeli casualties, and the operation to Mop Up, SMASH HamAss will continue.
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NY Nana Sat, Jan 17, 2009 4:16:44pm |
re: #380 alegrias
Thank you, thank you, thank you! I knew it was a well-placed POS...but just could not remember.
/Must have discovered Gorebal warming there.
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Birdalone Sat, Jan 17, 2009 4:30:48pm |
re: #366 NY Nana
I was dumb enough to actually think that because of Israel's upcoming elections in a few weeks that their incompetent 'leaders' would actually stay in it until they achieved a victory. Was I ever wrong!
And besides kissing the U.N.'s bloody ass, they paved the way for Hussein to try and destroy Israel, along with Shrill..they handed this to him.
I still don't think Obama wants to leave a legacy of finishing Hitler's job.
But, write your congresspeople because they are certainly hearing from CODEPINK. I was glad to see Kerry keep them in the back and silent during Hillary's hearing. Nice change from Biden's hearings.
Everyone go see 'Defiance' and cheer for the Jews.
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theheat Sat, Jan 17, 2009 5:23:22pm |
It's Groundhog Day.
Israel kicks ass, stops before finishing off a perpetual enemy, and some asshole thinks tapping the reset button with the Hamas and their ilk is going to make everything come out all rainbows and unicorns.
Never does. And they should know better. This is just plain stupid. Again. Tiresome.
I often ask myself why I should care about Israel's survival when it's obvious they don't. (By 'they', I mean the dumbfucks running the show.)
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Lynn B. Sat, Jan 17, 2009 5:35:49pm |
re: #79 yma o hyd
No news from Tel Aviv yet ...
And there's not likely to be. The seat of the Israeli government is in Jerusalem. Referring to it as "Tel Aviv" is a trick employed by Arab press services, because they refuse to recognize Israel's sovereignty over any part of Jerusalem and it's been mindlessly picked up by some Western news services as well.
IOW, it's a part of their propaganda campaign.
/I know. Dead thread.
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CLLRusso Sat, Jan 17, 2009 6:44:42pm |
re: #384 Birdalone
HRes 34? I think I'll look up those "present" idiots, and the 5 against. They better not be here in Florida.
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SpiritOf1683 Sun, Jan 18, 2009 9:29:06am |
re: #311 Lincolntf
It is indeed a sickening cycle.
But more and more Israel is beginning to resemble the battered wife who always goes back to her husband, declines to press charges, and tells everyone in her family that "he" has changed. At some point, the woman is deliberately sacrificing her own safety for reasons known only to her.
No amount of support can help her if she continuously returns to the guy who batters her.
In this case, the "guy" could be the U.N., the media, or Hamas itself. The result is the same.
Israel resembles the battered wife because of the never-learning West, which forever urges restraint on the Israelis. The Israelis can ignore other Arab states and the Arab media like Al Jazeera, and would do if they were only up against the Arab media, but they can't ignore the US and Europe and media outlets like the BBC and Reuters, and the press who spout their antisemitic poison, nor can they ignore the lawless kefiyya-wearing Islamists and their Leftist allies who wreck shops in Western cities as the spineless police look on or run away.
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