Video: Hamas Uses Children As Spotters

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More pro-Hamas videos are appearing on YouTube; this one was posted by VoiceOfJihaD and it shows very clearly how Hamas uses children as human shields. At about 1:20, the terrorists appear to be shooting at a helicopter overhead—and they send children into the streets, in the open, to point out where the helicopter is, while they stay hidden under trees and next to walls.

They do this because they know the IAF tries not to launch airstrikes against children. But they also know that if any of them are killed, their useful little spotters can easily be turned into propaganda tools with the willing assistance of Western media.

They don’t waste any part of the child.

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379 comments
1 Killgore Trout  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 4:55:50pm

Make a copy. This one will disappear.

2 shug  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 4:57:18pm

This is a sick depraved culture.

3 Killgore Trout  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 4:57:35pm

This is why the photographers aren't publishing pictures of Hamas fighters in the streets this time. They are there but the MSM won't publish pics because it makes Hamas look bad.

4 shug  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 4:57:46pm

besides, everybody knows roosters make better spotters than children

/

5 Sharmuta  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 4:58:10pm

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6 CynicalConservative  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 4:58:35pm

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That is all I have to say.

7 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 5:01:26pm

My mother and father used to rent a house to people who were habitually late with the rent. They would always send their kid to the house to tell mom that rent would be late.

And I thought they were cowards!

8 jcm  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 5:01:28pm

Like that chopper is in effective range of an AK.

9 joker23  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 5:01:38pm

I wake up every morning feeling like I'm living in Bizarro world.

Hamas targets civilians, uses children as human shields, and launches thousands of rockets into Israel.

Israel uses surgical strikes in response, does everything in their power to hit military targets and not civilians, and sends hundreds of aid trucks into Gaza to provide for the civilians caught in the cross fire.

I'd expect the world to vilify Hamas and support Israel, but the opposite keeps happening day after day.

Stop the world, I'd like to get off, please.

10 Randall Gross  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 5:01:39pm

This is heinous. This year because of the theme of 24 we will see endless stories on child soldiers in Africa, while the entire western media pretends this doesn't exist in Gaza.

11 ArmyWife  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 5:02:21pm

re: #5 Sharmuta

re: #6 CynicalConservative

I agree and would like to add [deleted]. Depraved [deleted]

12 jaunte  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 5:03:18pm

re: #8 jcm

Anyone who gets hit with the bullets from those AK's on their way down will be held up as another victim of the IDF.

13 NY Nana  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 5:04:05pm

re: #6 CynicalConservative

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That is all I have to say.

Same here.

14 Ben G. Hazi  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 5:05:00pm

Absolutely f**king disgusting and depraved....there's not a level in Hell hot enough for these f**king thugs.

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15 Racer X  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 5:05:34pm

re: #9 joker23

Israel uses surgical strikes in response, does everything in their power to hit military targets and not civilians, and sends hundreds of aid trucks into Gaza to provide for the civilians caught in the cross fire.


See, that right there is the problem. Hamas has no organized military. They are a bunch of terrorists who just hate. There is no organization or training. They follow no rules of war. Kill Jews. Die and become a martyr. Thats it.

16 kingkenrod  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 5:06:19pm

It would be nice if someone in the MSM would grow a pair and go scorched earth with all these evil Islamist monsters. It's not hard to get evidence...

17 jwb7605  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 5:06:39pm

re: #6 CynicalConservative

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That is all I have to say.

re: #5 Sharmuta

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I firmly support and approve your comments. I sure hope stretch doesn't downding me, or something.

18 Killgore Trout  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 5:07:06pm
Atrocity video Israel doesn't want you to watch! Part 3

I'd love to see parts 1 and 2.

19 wrenchwench  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 5:07:13pm
IDF Arabic-language spokesman Capt. Avichay Adraee discusses the illegal use of mosques as weapons storage facilities (forbidden by both international law and Islamic law) and Israeli efforts to avoid harming non-combatants despite Hamas' continuing use of civilians as human shields


Youtube Video
20 Ben G. Hazi  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 5:08:45pm

re: #17 jwb7605

I firmly support and approve your comments. I sure hope stretch doesn't downding me, or something.

Stretch can bite me...he can downding me all he wants, because my karma is much better than his, so the effect would be much like a gnat buzzing around.

21 NY Nana  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 5:09:13pm

Children of Hamas...

Youtube Video

Again I am nearly speechless.

22 Killgore Trout  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 5:09:35pm

re: #16 kingkenrod

It would be nice if someone in the MSM would grow a pair and go scorched earth with all these evil Islamist monsters. It's not hard to get evidence...

The MSM has been very careful to not publish video or pictures of Hamas fighters. You tube is full of this stuff but it's hard to find amongst all the usual crap there. There's plenty more of this stuff out there just waiting to be discovered.

23 Killgore Trout  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 5:10:39pm

re: #21 NY Nana

It's always heart wrenching to see.

24 Vicious Babushka  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 5:10:53pm

Compare these gibbering savages in their "rescue" swarms, to the calm and quiet efficiency of real rescuers--Hatzolah, FDNY, NY harbor ferries--who actually save people's lives.

25 Killgore Trout  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 5:12:43pm

Also the bodies in the first scene also appear to be Hamas fighters (dressed in all black). Possibly a mortar team.

26 [deleted]  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 5:12:53pm
27 Blackacre  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 5:13:14pm

re: #18 Killgore Trout

Atrocity video Israel doesn't want you to watch! Part 3

That's the title they applied, but somehow I don't think they recognize the real atrocity in this video. They appear to be blind, deaf, and numb to it.
/What Golda Meir said.

28 Dustyvet  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 5:15:06pm

U.S. War College member insists that Islam does not "promote kidnappings, beheadings and other unlicensed hostile actions"


Unlicensed?

29 KingKenrod  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 5:16:14pm

Another way to look at it is they are trying to get the helicopters to fire on the children.

30 notutopia  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 5:16:32pm

Hamas is a cowardly, disgusting, swarm of evil barbarians, to use their own flesh and blood as cannon fodder. This culture is demented and inhuman.

31 Syrah  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 5:17:46pm

re: #12 jaunte

Anyone who gets hit with the bullets from those AK's on their way down will be held up as another victim of the IDF.

I think it also helps explain why Achmed was staying away from the open windows while he had the RoosterCam running. The odds of getting sprayed with Hamas fire from the ground looks uncomfortably high.

32 NelsFree  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 5:17:48pm

The Hamas Terrorists are sick cowards. I cannot perceive a cure for their behavior.

33 Racer X  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 5:17:52pm

re: #22 Killgore Trout

Hamas are the victims. They have no weapons and pose no threat. Those rockets are simple toys purchased at Estes.com

34 [deleted]  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 5:17:55pm
35 Syrah  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 5:20:27pm

re: #28 Dustyvet

U.S. War College member insists that Islam does not "promote kidnappings, beheadings and other unlicensed hostile actions"

Unlicensed?

As long as someone is screaming "Allah u Ackbar" while they are kidnapping, beheading, and engaging in other hostile actions, it is considered "licensed."

36 albusteve  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 5:21:07pm

re: #20 talon_262

Stretch can bite me...he can downding me all he wants, because my karma is much better than his, so the effect would be much like a gnat buzzing around.

got stretchitis?....worried about your dings?

37 Stonemason  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 5:22:03pm

I am sure I am just piling on, but I need to add my "Sick, disgusting, cowards" to the thread.

I have learned more about this on this blog than anywhere else.

Thank you all.

38 ROP?LOL  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 5:22:25pm

re: #32 NelsFree

The Hamas Terrorists are sick cowards. I cannot perceive a cure for their behavior.


I can.

39 DaveinMD  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 5:22:46pm

There is no hope for lasting peace anywhere as long as those who spread this kind of hate are allowed to spread it.

40 reine.de.tout  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 5:23:09pm

re: #8 jcm

Like that chopper is in effective range of an AK.

I was wondering about that.

Was there any point in shooting at the helicopter with those guns?

42 [deleted]  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 5:23:37pm
43 Racer X  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 5:23:41pm

Tell the truth. If you are in a public place, and someone shouts "Allah u Ackbar", you're hitting the dirt or looking for something to use as a weapon right? Right?

44 notutopia  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 5:23:52pm

There needs to be some scientific genetic testing performed on these people. Inbreeding? genetic sharing of suicidal tendencies? Schizophrenia?
[Link: news.yahoo.com...]

45 Cato the Elder  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 5:23:55pm

I've been thinking about Israel's unilateral cease-fire.

All the disappointment expressed in the earlier thread is, I believe, misplaced. It's really a brilliant strategic move on Israel's part.

Unlike Hezbollah, which stopped firing missiles in 2006 so as to rearm, Hamas will very likely not have the discipline or the ability to quell its rocketeer brigades.

With the IDF on the ground in Gaza, and the planes keeping warm in the air fleets, any new Qassam barrages will be instantly met with further action. Then Israel can say they tried, and go back to work.

No options are off the table, and no victory claims by Hamas will matter if they go back on their boastful talk about defiance and martyrdom. If they keep the rockets quiet, it will be seen as a defeat by their own people. If they fire them off, they will be further defeated in reality.

Just how I see it.

46 Taqyia2Me  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 5:24:23pm

re: #38 ROP?LOL

I can.

I'd love to hear an effective course of action against this Hamas scum.

47 shug  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 5:24:28pm

re: #39 DaveinMD

There is no hope for lasting peace anywhere as long as those who spread this kind of hate are allowed to spread it.


If every Israeli packed up and left, and gave the Palestinians all of Israel there would still be no peace.

They would start killing each .

That's what they do.

48 Dustyvet  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 5:24:29pm

re: #40 reine.de.tout

I was wondering about that.

Was there any point in shooting at the helicopter with those guns?

My best guess would be "show and tell" for the camera...

49 ROP?LOL  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 5:25:08pm

re: #38 ROP?LOL

I can.

re: #46 Taqyia2Me

I'd love to hear an effective course of action against this Hamas scum.

Sorry, but I don't want to be deleated/banned.

50 twn400  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 5:25:15pm

Hamas children as Cannon Fodder

51 Killgore Trout  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 5:25:16pm

re: #40 reine.de.tout

Was there any point in shooting at the helicopter with those guns?


No. I've seen plenty of footage of them just firing in the air after a bomb hits or a buzzing drone far away. It doesn't accomplish anything and is a waste of ammo but I guess it makes them feel like they are doing something.

52 NY Nana  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 5:25:39pm

re: #23 Killgore Trout

That there is so much depravity the MSM studiously ignores? WTF would they do if someone tried to do these things to their kids?

But that could not happen here. Even James Jones does not compare; it was a one-off, I only pray.....this is an ongoing daily indoctrination, in order to turn out the next generation of homicide bombers.

That they so admire *itler is not a surprise at all.

What I really want to say about them, I had best keep to myself, and I will bet that I am not the only one so enraged.

/So what does Cognito have to say re the MSM on this issue?

53 [deleted]  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 5:25:47pm
54 albusteve  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 5:26:05pm

re: #44 notutopia

There needs to be some scientific genetic testing performed on these people. Inbreeding? genetic sharing of suicidal tendencies? Schizophrenia?
[Link: news.yahoo.com...]

that's an interesting notion...inbreeding...1.5mil people is not a huge gene pool over several decades is it?...dont know myself

55 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 5:27:01pm

I can't believe those evil Jooos would do this.
/sarc

56 Killgore Trout  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 5:27:03pm

re: #45 Cato the Elder

Yes, I think you're right. The Israelis are not pulling out of Gaza yet. This is going to go on for while longer.

57 jcm  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 5:27:03pm

re: #40 reine.de.tout

I was wondering about that.

Was there any point in shooting at the helicopter with those guns?

No, none at all. It would have be much lower. The AK is a light round, the Apache is armored. The chance of a magic bullet hitting anything vital is slim to none.

58 Kenneth  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 5:27:09pm

"Fight those who do not believe in Allah...And the Jews say Ezra is the son of God; and the Christians say Christ is the son of God; these are the words of their mouths; they imitate the saying of those who disbelieved before; Allah's curse be on them; how they are turned away!" (Koran 9:29-30)

And fight with them until there is no more persecution and religion should be only for Allah (8:39)

59 Taqyia2Me  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 5:27:51pm

re: #54 albusteve

that's an interesting notion...inbreeding...1.5mil people is not a huge gene pool over several decades is it?...dont know myself

Especially since the starting number 60 years ago was WAY less than 1.5 million.

60 Kenneth  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 5:27:51pm

When the sacred months have passed away, THEN SLAY THE IDOLATERS WHEREVER YOU FIND THEM, AND TAKE THEM CAPTIVES AND BESIEGE THEM AND LIE IN WAIT FOR THEM IN EVERY AMBUSH, then if they repent and keep up prayer [become believers] and pay the poor-rate, leave their way free to them (9:5)

61 Killgore Trout  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 5:28:06pm

re: #52 NY Nana

So what does Cognito have to say re the MSM on this issue?


Cognito has been a little scarce lately.

62 lifeofthemind  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 5:28:45pm

They worship death, they seek death, they deserve death
Their souls are already dead.

63 MandyManners  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 5:28:59pm

Call me a chicken but, I cannot watch it. I'm already in a really crappy mood about Tuesday and watching just might send me over the edge.

64 albusteve  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 5:29:37pm

re: #59 Taqyia2Me

Especially since the starting number 60 years ago was WAY less than 1.5 million.

yes...right, I'd like to hear more about it from our resident geneticists...

65 Racer X  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 5:29:40pm

Gaza: Hamas' brutal tactics

Good one.

66 jcm  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 5:29:47pm

re: #40 reine.de.tout

I was wondering about that.

Was there any point in shooting at the helicopter with those guns?

Going Apache hunting?
Smallest I'd go with I'd go with is a ZU-23. Even then the Apache would have the advantage.

67 BlueCanuck  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 5:30:03pm

re: #54 albusteve

that's an interesting notion...inbreeding...1.5mil people is not a huge gene pool over several decades is it?...dont know myself

Not only that, but they believe in keeping marriages in the family. First cousins and such. 1.5 million people is enough for a viable genetic base. As long as it's kept out of the family.

68 paint-right  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 5:30:20pm

If they loved their children, they would have kept the lovely greenhouses they were given, used them to grow flowers and food and might have begun construction of new houses , roads, shops, schools, and eventually their own hospitals and universities..who knows maybe even resorts and spas. But no, the death cult must have death.

69 Kenneth  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 5:30:36pm

O Prophet! strive* hard against the unbelievers and the hypocrites and be unyielding to them; and their abode is hell, and evil is the destination. (9:73)

O you who believe! fight those of the unbelievers who are near to you and let them find in you hardness; and know that Allah is with those who guard (against evil). (9:123)

* in English translation, the word 'strive' is used for the original Arabic word 'jihad'

70 n in wi  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 5:30:52pm

re: #47 shug
Golda Meir said there will be war as long as they hate us more than they love there children. Looks like it'll last a bit longer.

71 lifeofthemind  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 5:31:19pm

re: #46 Taqyia2Me

I'd love to hear an effective course of action against this Hamas scum.

Kill Them
Highly effective

72 Taqyia2Me  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 5:31:50pm

re: #63 MandyManners

Call me a chicken but, I cannot watch it. I'm already in a really crappy mood about Tuesday and watching just might send me over the edge.

Good call, while not heavy on gore, the video was overwrought with evil only those very close to satan can smell the brimstone.
Yes, they truly do want Jewry eliminated, worlwide. (Then the next infidel after....)

73 MarineGrunt  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 5:32:04pm

Hey Achmed, shooting John Wayne style into the air will not hit a damn thing

No wonder these clowns get their asses handed to them every time they mess with the IDF

74 reine.de.tout  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 5:32:09pm

re: #24 Alouette

Compare these gibbering savages in their "rescue" swarms, to the calm and quiet efficiency of real rescuers--Hatzolah, FDNY, NY harbor ferries--who actually save people's lives.

Yes.
None of the people being "rescued" are handled very gently, at all.
They are grabbed at and yanked at . . . these people seem to have no sense at all of what any other individual might be feeling or needing.

75 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 5:32:21pm

Why isn't there a chapter in the Koran saying something like...,

"And do not stagnate your sciences and cognitive abilities. Ensure you are able to declare more effective warfare with better weapons than your enemies. Do not fire weapons into the sky for no apparent reason, lest the arrows smite your fellow fighters.

"Teach your children the ways of peace, so that others may see your good works and want to follow the ways of Allah."

Why not.

76 Kenneth  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 5:32:29pm

I WILL CAST TERROR INTO THE HEARTS OF THOSE WHO DISBELIEVE. THEREFORE STRIKE OFF THEIR HEADS AND STRIKE OFF EVERY FINGERTIP OF THEM. THIS IS BECAUSE THEY ACTED ADVERSELY TO ALLAH AND HIS MESSENGER; AND WHOEVER ACTS ADVERSELY TO ALLAH AND HIS MESSENGER - THEN SURELY ALLAH IS SEVERE IN REQUITING (EVIL). THIS - TASTE IT, AND (KNOW) THAT FOR THE UNBELIEVERS IS THE PUNISHMENT OF FIRE. O you who believe! When you meet those who disbelieve marching for war, then turn not your backs to them. And whoever shall turn his back to them on that day - unless he turn aside for the sake of fighting or withdraws to a company - then he, indeed, becomes deserving of Allah's wrath, and his abode is hell; and an evil destination shall it be. So you did not slay them, but it was Allah Who slew them and you did not smite when you smote (the enemy) but it was Allah Who smote, and that He might confer upon the believers a good gift from Himself; (8:12-17)

77 paint-right  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 5:33:29pm

re: #60 Kenneth

When the sacred months have passed away, THEN SLAY THE IDOLATERS WHEREVER YOU FIND THEM, AND TAKE THEM CAPTIVES AND BESIEGE THEM AND LIE IN WAIT FOR THEM IN EVERY AMBUSH, then if they repent and keep up prayer [become believers] and pay the poor-rate, leave their way free to them (9:5)

but wait, "there is no compulsion in islam"
different page
maybe a satanic verse
/

78 NY Nana  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 5:33:33pm

re: #61 Killgore Trout

Cognito has been a little scarce lately.

I just searched..we have been lucky. I hadn't seen him recently, but he posted yesterday.

Thinking about it, he may actually be angry about this, also. You never know.

79 MandyManners  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 5:34:39pm

re: #72 Taqyia2Me

Good call, while not heavy on gore, the video was overwrought with evil only those very close to satan can smell the brimstone.
Yes, they truly do want Jewry eliminated, worlwide. (Then the next infidel after....)

It truly taxes the brain to try to comprehend a mother who would let her child be in harm's way.

80 Morganfrost  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 5:35:21pm

You can add to the suspicious aspects of the video the fact that (around 2:40) they basically threw a (purportedly) head-injured patient into an ambulance without the slightest apparent effort to stabilize the cervical-spine. The ambulance appeared to contain a perfectly good stretcher, so there was no need for the dramatic pick-up/chuck maneuver. Moreover, I didn't hear any explosions or shooting in the background, so that would not be a justification for ignoring these rules.

As to the baby, it struck me as interesting that the supposed EMT who was holding him in the ambulance didn't seem to see the need for any resuscitation. The clown in the white coat that grabbed him at the hospital began doing mouth-to-mouth without so much as checking to see whether the child was breathing or not. Presumably, if the child had not been breathing, there would have been some attempt at resuscitation on the ride to the hospital. Also, I found the mouth-to-mouth a bit suspicious-- the breaths were a bit long for a child that size.

Speaking as an EMT, I'm inclined to suggest that the production folks at Pallywood hire themselves some better medical consultants (that drug-addled Swede just doesn't seem to be doing it for them).

81 MandyManners  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 5:35:37pm

re: #74 reine.de.tout

Yes.
None of the people being "rescued" are handled very gently, at all.
They are grabbed at and yanked at . . . these people seem to have no sense at all of what any other individual might be feeling or needing.

I think Islam allows no sense of the individual. Communism on blotter acid.

82 shug  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 5:35:52pm

re: #73 MarineGrunt

Hey Achmed, shooting John Wayne style into the air will not hit a damn thing

No wonder these clowns get their asses handed to them every time they mess with the IDF


Their fake military bravado paralells their fake pediatric CPR skills

83 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 5:35:53pm

re: #54 albusteve

that's an interesting notion...inbreeding...1.5mil people is not a huge gene pool over several decades is it?...dont know myself

Doubt it. 'Several decades' is only a couple generations. The Bedouin do have some recurrent genetic problems due to inbreeding, since they strongly favor first-cousin marriages for social reasons, and the problem crops up elsewhere in the Arab world, but that's a much longer-term problem.

Pretty sure this is nurture, not nature. Most of these folks would be fine if they could get some fresh air and a good night's sleep, and a few years of deprogramming. Look at the Druze.

84 notutopia  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 5:36:08pm

re: #59 Taqyia2Me

Especially since the starting number 60 years ago was WAY less than 1.5 million.

It takes Three generations of genome mapping to determine genetic variations of a population. It would be interesting to know if any of these volunteer MD's or if WHO have begun any sampling.
[Link: www.eurekalert.org...]

85 CynicalConservative  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 5:36:52pm

re: #81 MandyManners

I think Islam allows no sense of the individual. Communism on blotter acid.

Nomination for rotating title!

86 jwb7605  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 5:37:04pm

re: #78 NY Nana

I just searched..we have been lucky. I hadn't seen him recently, but he posted yesterday.

Thinking about it, he may actually be angry about this, also. You never know.

Didn't Cog get temporarily suspended?
He was pissing even me off the other day.
Maybe he's cooling off. I can usually tolerate (and, *gasp*) sometimes even understand him.

I, myself, though, may be in trouble for a remark on the previous thread, though. (a reply to Charles)

87 [deleted]  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 5:37:25pm
88 markx  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 5:37:44pm

re: #8 jcm

Like that chopper is in effective range of an AK.

My thought too.

And where were all those rounds shot in the air coming down? What goes up, must come down...

Morons...perverted, deprived morons.

89 jcm  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 5:38:01pm

re: #80 Morganfrost

They never do. It's all grab and run.

90 CynicalConservative  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 5:38:24pm

re: #86 jwb7605

Didn't Cog get temporarily suspended?
He was pissing even me off the other day.
Maybe he's cooling off. I can usually tolerate (and, *gasp*) sometimes even understand him.

I, myself, though, may be in trouble for a remark on the previous thread, though. (a reply to Charles)

Yeah, Cog got the boot and a reprieve. There may be consequences for the aforementioned comment by you, hard to say.

91 Mel Lono  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 5:38:24pm

re: #84 notutopia

IIRC WHO was caught adding to the gene pool in Africa a couple of years ago.

92 Arbalest  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 5:38:32pm

Compare the emergency room segment at the 4:00 mark with the one starring Mads.

Better yet, the next time Mads makes a public statement, show both videos, side-by-side, as the background to the inset video of Mads.

93 paint-right  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 5:38:49pm

re: #79 MandyManners

It truly taxes the brain to try to comprehend a mother who would let her child be in harm's way.

It occured to me that because of the shelling and constant threat, the Israeli's , who notoriously LOVE their children, build and use bomb shelters, whereas the Pali's, whose currency is their children, alive or dead, are not prepared for retaliation and thus without shelters, have a high death rate and currency for their grievance theater ad absurdum

94 Nuclear Ninja  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 5:39:12pm

Hamas...the model of manhood.

I'm headed to SERE/C tomorrow AM...see you in 3 weeks.

95 markx  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 5:39:53pm

re: #93 paint-right

No, Hamas has bomb shelters too.... for the leadership only.

Cowardly scum.

96 jcm  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 5:40:13pm

re: #94 Nuclear Ninja

Hamas...the model of manhood.

I'm headed to SERE/C tomorrow AM...see you in 3 weeks.

Snake eater!

97 albusteve  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 5:40:30pm

re: #89 jcm

They never do. It's all grab and run.

I often wonder what they are saying in these situations...jibbering away and so many people jibbering at once...I mean who's on first?

98 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 5:41:02pm

I cannot fathom any of this.

A culture is no more than the sum of the values of its people, or perhaps the average of those values. This is obviously a culture whose values do not value life, or creation, or the good things of the world. This is a culture that values revenge and hatred.

We are told this is not Islam's values, but a different radical offshoot. As a member of a religion with some repellent (and disowned) offshoots, I can accept this on one basis; prove it. Prove that Islam is a culture of creation and life, which values rights and free will. Prove it.

99 jwb7605  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 5:41:24pm

re: #90 CynicalConservative

Yeah, Cog got the boot and a reprieve. There may be consequences for the aforementioned comment by you, hard to say.

I meant what I said, and I can prove the Denver Zoo part.
I'd rather get booted for other reasons, though.

100 paint-right  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 5:41:36pm

re: #95 markx

No, Hamas has bomb shelters too.... for the leadership only.

Cowardly scum.

oh yeah, under the hospitals

101 NY Nana  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 5:41:49pm

re: #86 jwb7605

IIRC, he was blocked, but I think he emailed Charles, and was given a second chance.

A few times since, I have actually +'d his comment, since he returned, but do not see him all over the forums. That was why I searched his nic, and so far today, no post, but there were from yesterday.

102 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 5:42:59pm

re: #73 MarineGrunt

Hey Achmed, shooting John Wayne style into the air will not hit a damn thing

No wonder these clowns get their asses handed to them every time they mess with the IDF

Iran is paying for the ammo, and you look good on YouTube shooting at the Israeli copter, so why not?

103 winston06  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 5:43:44pm

Why did Israel declare ceasefire? Hamas is not dead yet

104 CynicalConservative  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 5:43:50pm

re: #99 jwb7605

I meant what I said, and I can prove the Denver Zoo part.
I'd rather get booted for other reasons, though.

Not arguing the Denver Zoo part. I may have mis-read the post, but the gist I got was that evo is bunk and in general support of the nascent troll Davehm.

105 Killgore Trout  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 5:43:57pm

I've been watching the count on how many times the video has been viewed. It shot up to 207 after we posted it here but there haven't been any new views for 30 minutes or so. Does the view count include the embedded version on LGF?

106 hazzyday  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 5:44:12pm

I wonder what the Harvard petition signer genius like sim kimmel think about that. As immature as he is he is probably ok with children being killed this way.

107 MrPaulRevere  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 5:44:16pm

If those gunmen thought they were going to hit that helicopter with AK fire they are stupider than even I imagined.

108 Nuclear Ninja  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 5:45:24pm

re: #96 jcm

I hear it tastes like chicken, and the worms taste...wormy,

109 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 5:45:31pm

re: #101 NY Nana

I saw him yesterday. I don't like it when anyone has to walk on pins and needles.

110 Summer Seale  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 5:45:39pm

I'm starting to think of the Palestinians as Evil Smurfs.

In the same way that "Smurf" is used as a general word meaning anything you want it to mean, these guys seem to be running around and saying absolutely nothing else other than "Allahu Akbar!". Sorta like "It's a Smurfy/Allahu Akbar day!", or "That's Smurfy/Allahu Akbar!"

Just something I noticed. It really appears to be something they say constantly without any thought whatsoever.

That last thing is probably key to their actions as well.

111 markx  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 5:45:47pm

re: #100 paint-right

Exactly.

Cowardly scum... hiding in schools & hospitals. Using kids as spotters. Using pregnant women as suicide bombers. Using the mental disabled as suicide bombers...

the list is endless... this is just another brick in their sick wall.

112 Outrider  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 5:46:08pm

If I were to make a video for Infantryman in how NOT to engage aerial targets, this would be the one.

I'm surprised these guys can hit the ground with their butts if they fell over backwards.

113 DisturbedEma  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 5:46:14pm

re: #107 MrPaulRevere

If those gunmen thought they were going to hit that helicopter with AK fire they are stupider than even I imagined.

But the pilots will return the fire. . .at the intended targets. . .the kids

114 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 5:46:20pm

re: #98 EmmmieG

I cannot fathom any of this.

A culture is no more than the sum of the values of its people, or perhaps the average of those values. This is obviously a culture whose values do not value life, or creation, or the good things of the world. This is a culture that values revenge and hatred.

We are told this is not Islam's values, but a different radical offshoot. As a member of a religion with some repellent (and disowned) offshoots, I can accept this on one basis; prove it. Prove that Islam is a culture of creation and life, which values rights and free will. Prove it.

Have to remember, though, that all this was going on decades ago when the PLO were using secular Marxist rhetoric. Religious extremism is distinctly making things worse, but I wonder if you can define it as the root problem.

115 MandyManners  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 5:46:23pm

re: #94 Nuclear Ninja

Hamas...the model of manhood.

I'm headed to SERE/C tomorrow AM...see you in 3 weeks.

Have fun!

116 MandyManners  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 5:46:45pm

re: #108 Nuclear Ninja

I hear it tastes like chicken, and the worms taste...wormy,

Enjoy the grubs.

117 jcm  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 5:46:49pm

re: #108 Nuclear Ninja

I hear it tastes like chicken, and the worms taste...wormy,

Fairchild for school?
Thanks for your service, and going though things like SERE!

118 albusteve  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 5:47:18pm

re: #109 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I saw him yesterday. I don't like it when anyone has to walk on pins and needles.

who does that?

119 jwb7605  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 5:47:18pm

re: #98 EmmmieG

I cannot fathom any of this.

A culture is no more than the sum of the values of its people, or perhaps the average of those values. This is obviously a culture whose values do not value life, or creation, or the good things of the world. This is a culture that values revenge and hatred.

We are told this is not Islam's values, but a different radical offshoot. As a member of a religion with some repellent (and disowned) offshoots, I can accept this on one basis; prove it. Prove that Islam is a culture of creation and life, which values rights and free will. Prove it.

Hard to argue with, for sure.
Another thing that might get me in deeper shit tonight is my personal interpretation of Matthew 10:34. I've wondered recently who or what He was referring to?

120 NY Nana  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 5:49:00pm

re: #93 paint-right

This is what the residents of Sderot have had to live with for the past 7 or 8 years. I do not think that any parent, child, teacher..anyone, could come out of this feeling safe, ever.

But they have learned to deal with the terror.

Youtube Video
121 Nuclear Ninja  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 5:49:09pm

re: #116 MandyManners

You'd be surprised how many people say that to me. I hear it is good training so I will try my best to have fun. Thanks.

122 jwb7605  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 5:49:23pm

re: #104 CynicalConservative

Not arguing the Denver Zoo part. I may have mis-read the post, but the gist I got was that evo is bunk and in general support of the nascent troll Davehm.

I read it that he was discussing matters with a 17 year old kid, who assured him that humans are evolved from monkeys, and the kid learned that in school.

I see no reason why we both can't be wrong. I'm happy to share, if you want.

123 Nuclear Ninja  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 5:50:05pm

re: #117 jcm

I'm stationed at Bragg, but going to Rucker. Aviation, PSYOP, and CA for the most part.

124 Muadib  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 5:50:57pm

re: #21 NY Nana

Children of Hamas...


[Video]Again I am nearly speechless.

Horrifying. They are hellbent on destroying themselves and their children.

125 paint-right  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 5:52:00pm

re: #120 NY Nana

I know Nana, i saw video of a family repeatedly running downstairs to their shelter. nervewracking...actually crazy making.

Enough is enough.

I wish Israel would occupy and force them into the 21st century.

126 CynicalConservative  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 5:52:14pm

re: #122 jwb7605

I read it that he was discussing matters with a 17 year old kid, who assured him that humans are evolved from monkeys, and the kid learned that in school.

I see no reason why we both can't be wrong. I'm happy to share, if you want.

No worries, I re-read your comment and don't see any trolling or bannable material. Agree or disagree about the subtext of the discussion is immaterial to our current conversation.

127 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 5:52:17pm

re: #106 hazzyday

I wonder what the Harvard petition signer genius like sim kimmel think about that. As immature as he is he is probably ok with children being killed this way.

Oh, that's easy: Palestinian society is engaged in a desperate and essential revolutionary struggle against the white, colonialist, Zionists. In such a struggle, everyone participates, an indigenous revolutionary culture like the Palestinians does not have a bourgeois Western concept of children as people who do not play a part in the daily life of the community, although of course the loss of each child to the Zionist invaders is deeply felt.

Alternatively, if you don't speak Marxist, it's not the Palestinian's fault that the Israelis ruthlessly target their children for slaughter.

//I can codeswitch! Someone get me a glass of water so I can codeswitch while drinking a glass of water!

128 revobob  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 5:52:24pm

re: #123 Nuclear Ninja

I'm stationed at Bragg, but going to Rucker. Aviation, PSYOP, and CA for the most part.

This civilian would like to know what SERE/C is?

129 Dr. Shalit  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 5:52:57pm

Charles, and ALL Other Lizardim -

That HAMAS uses WOMEN and CHILDREN as HUMAN SHIELDS is a GIVEN. Question is, where do WE go from there?

-S-

130 lifeofthemind  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 5:53:46pm

The inbreeding, like the polygamy and other abuses of women trace back to the desire in clan based societies to control the inheritance of property. That was the basis for the development of family law and much religious regulation, after the agricultural revolution some 6,000 years ago. Islamic law has frozen at the most destructive level of pastoral arab society of 1,500 years ago. Indeed the mores championed by Islam were considered those of a primitive backwater at the time. It is unfortunate that it exploits several human defects, such as sado-masochism and projection, that could have had a defense function in certain extreme circumstances associated with human development. None of the behaviors and symbols used to cover these abusive traits, such as the facial covering of women and the inbreeding or control of inheritance, should be accepted. All should be vigorously destroyed. If that was done, and the flow of wealth the unfortunately passed to the Islamists over the last 50 years was ended, then this threat would recede over time.

131 Outrider  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 5:54:02pm

re: #125 paint-right

I know Nana, i saw video of a family repeatedly running downstairs to their shelter. nervewracking...actually crazy making.

Enough is enough.

I wish Israel would occupy and force them into the 21st century.

unlike the Gazans that actually swarm out into the streets to see what is going on. Kind of like poking a stick into an ant hill and watching hundreds of ants swarming around going nuts.

132 Marvo76  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 5:54:26pm

re: #40 reine.de.tout

I was wondering about that.

Was there any point in shooting at the helicopter with those guns?

Camera time? Seriously, they don't even aim, just point in the general direction.....sad.... Hell, if they even took time to aim some of their bigger stuff they might score a lucky hit, they are just clowns running round the circus, trying to get the lions to eat the monkeys....

133 Ben G. Hazi  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 5:54:32pm

re: #128 revobob

This civilian would like to know what SERE/C is?

SERE=Survival-Evasion-Resistance-Escape

134 Summer Seale  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 5:54:37pm

Actually, the whole "Allahu Akbar" screaming reminds me of the entire schtick from Mel Brooks with "Heil Hitler!" when confronted by Nazis to get out of any desperate situation at all. Anytime Charles Durning's character (Col. Erheart(sp?)) confronts his Lieutenant, and the guy freezes up and doesn't know what to say, he belts out "Heil Hitler!" and salutes, and Charles Durning reciprocates and instantly drops the subject.

Great Mel Brooks comedy. =)

135 lifeofthemind  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 5:54:53pm

re: #94 Nuclear Ninja

Hamas...the model of manhood.

I'm headed to SERE/C tomorrow AM...see you in 3 weeks.

Have fun

136 rexatosis  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 5:55:19pm

"Women and Children First"

To a Western Man it means getting Women and Children to safety prior to himself. For an example see the USAIR crash-landing into the Hudson River.

To a Palestinian Man it means tossing Women and Children onto frontlines to be eaten by the "dogs of war" then fake historonic playacting and "crocodile tears" upon their deaths. (As shown in this video).

137 revobob  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 5:55:35pm

re: #133 talon_262

SERE=Survival-Evasion-Resistance-Escape

Thank you.

138 jcm  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 5:56:04pm

re: #123 Nuclear Ninja

I'm stationed at Bragg, but going to Rucker. Aviation, PSYOP, and CA for the most part.

Good luck stay safe.

139 paint-right  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 5:56:37pm

re: #131 Outrider

unlike the Gazans that actually swarm out into the streets to see what is going on. Kind of like poking a stick into an ant hill and watching hundreds of ants swarming around going nuts.

you insult ants, who - when not disturbed by stick-poking - are very industrious

140 Marvo76  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 5:56:38pm

re: #44 notutopia

There needs to be some scientific genetic testing performed on these people. Inbreeding? genetic sharing of suicidal tendencies? Schizophrenia?
[Link: news.yahoo.com...]

Drinking their own piss?

141 jcm  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 5:57:43pm

re: #128 revobob

This civilian would like to know what SERE/C is?

Throw a flight crew out in the boonies, make like the bad guys are after 'em, catch 'em waterboard 'em and make 'em eat snakes, bugs and worms.

Or sumthin' like that.

142 Sol Roth  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 5:57:48pm

Are there still bugs in the Query program? Using IE, Vista brand, I get sent to the front page every time I upding a comment.

143 Outrider  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 5:58:20pm

re: #139 paint-right

you insult ants, who - when not disturbed by stick-poking - are very industrious

but poking a stick at them is far more fun.

And you have apparently not had many "adventures" with ants. ;-)>

144 Nuclear Ninja  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 5:59:24pm

re: #128 revobob

Survival, Evasion, Resistance, Escape. C lelvel, for personnel at high risk of capture.

Links here and here

145 [deleted]  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 5:59:39pm
146 Summer Seale  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 6:00:42pm

I found one of the Mel Brooks scenes. It's 7:00 minutes into this clip. =)

Youtube Video
147 MrPaulRevere  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 6:01:06pm

re: #113 DisturbedEma

A fair point. I was thinking like a rational man, not like a Hamas fighter.

148 Outrider  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 6:01:15pm

re: #144 Nuclear Ninja

Survival, Evasion, Resistance, Escape. C lelvel, for personnel at high risk of capture.

Links here and here

I did SERE back in 78 and again in 84. Can't say as I miss going through that class. ;-)>

149 Sol Roth  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 6:01:39pm

I agree with with you Mrs. TFK. It's long past time to commute their sentences.

150 reine.de.tout  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 6:02:24pm

re: #149 Sol Roth

I agree with with you Mrs. TFK. It's long past time to commute their sentences.

My understanding is that a commutation is being considered - but not a pardon.

151 paint-right  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 6:02:37pm

re: #143 Outrider

were you once a boy?

152 jcm  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 6:03:13pm

re: #148 Outrider

I did SERE back in 78 and again in 84. Can't say as I miss going through that class. ;-)>

Hogan's Heros reruns don't do it for you?
////

153 NY Nana  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 6:04:22pm

re: #125 paint-right

I wish Israel would occupy and force them into the 21st century.

It is not for Israel to do. The cult of islam is what governs their every move..and the ones who are trying to destroy Israel are doing it on what is Israeli land.

The Christians who live in Israel are Israelis, and they also are in danger...but it is the Jews who the cult members want to destroy.

Enough! Give them a grain of sand, and they want the whole desert...but Israel has bloomed.

I do not think that these cult members are capable of living in peace. Even their own brethren do not want them, and they thus occupy Israeli land.

I have watched this from here since 1948, when the State of Israel was proclaimed. It tears my heart up.

Israel has given so much to the word...and yet it seems that everyone wants to destroy Israel...but thank G-d for righteous Gentiles, who are on the side of Israel.

I do not remember Jew hate like we see now since I was a kid. I am scared for my kids and grandkids...

154 Outrider  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 6:04:25pm

re: #151 paint-right

were you once a boy?

Sorry? What? Long ago, yes.

155 USBeast  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 6:04:39pm

re: #123 Nuclear Ninja

I'm stationed at Bragg, but going to Rucker. Aviation, PSYOP, and CA for the most part.

Good luck. God bless you. Thank you for your service.

156 solomonpanting  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 6:04:56pm
But they also know that if any of them are killed, their useful little spotters become propaganda tools.

"A child's death is a terrible thing to waste."

Hamas Spokesman

157 Outrider  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 6:05:10pm

re: #152 jcm

Hogan's Heros reruns don't do it for you?
////

damn, I never got any pretty women underground agents to help me. ;-)>

158 Marvo76  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 6:05:16pm

re: #85 CynicalConservative

Nomination for rotating title!

"This isn't blotter acid,
I know blotter acid,
and let me tell you, you aren't on blotter acid,
you just have a terminal case of dumbass...."

159 [deleted]  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 6:05:28pm
160 [deleted]  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 6:06:47pm
161 Sol Roth  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 6:08:32pm

re: #150 reine.de.tout

My understanding is that a commutation is being considered - but not a pardon.

I heard the same with even Johnny Sutton backpedalling on the sentence. Bush better hurry up, Benito Obama is about to take over.

162 NY Nana  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 6:08:34pm

re: #142 Sol Roth

I am on AOL, WindowsXP and IE7, and am getting knocked off the thread when I hit 'reply' or 'quote'. It started about 45 minutes ago.

163 Marvo76  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 6:08:47pm

re: #98 EmmmieG

I cannot fathom any of this.

A culture is no more than the sum of the values of its people, or perhaps the average of those values. This is obviously a culture whose values do not value life, or creation, or the good things of the world. This is a culture that values revenge and hatred.

We are told this is not Islam's values, but a different radical offshoot. As a member of a religion with some repellent (and disowned) offshoots, I can accept this on one basis; prove it. Prove that Islam is a culture of creation and life, which values rights and free will. Prove it.

C.S. Lewis defined Culture as "How a civilizatin practices it's religion" From what the Koran reads, with child molest, whacking off heads,hands, stoning, Lying, I think they truely do practice it to a"T"

164 [deleted]  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 6:09:27pm
165 Outrider  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 6:09:27pm

re: #162 NY Nana

I am on AOL, WindowsXP and IE7, and am getting knocked off the thread when I hit 'reply' or 'quote'. It started about 45 minutes ago.

you haven't tried Firefox or Safari yet?

166 [deleted]  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 6:09:29pm
167 Bob Dillon  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 6:10:02pm

re: #8 jcm

Like that chopper is in effective range of an AK.

And firing from the hip increases your chances of a hit.

/

168 Outrider  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 6:10:09pm

re: #166 taxfreekiller

spells better, looks better, smarter, nicer, gets along better, kids like her, old people like her, Congress Critters like her,

moon bats fear Ms TFK, for good reason.

later, we are out to do fish at the VFW

have a couple for me!

169 mattm  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 6:10:22pm

I'm sure the MSM will get right on this.

/sarc

170 notutopia  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 6:11:01pm

re: #140 Marvo76

Drinking their own piss?

There's 1.5 mil +/- people on that strip in 60 yrs.+/- I do not know the Islamic subset population number.
The Islamic's condone taking multiple wives, who have multiple children, all now from common paternal genetics maps.
Any ranchers here who breed registered cattle? What's the probability of the genetic sharing in this subset of Islamics.
It's a scientific theory. Nothing more, nothing less. Islamic extremism is the cause or the effect. They propone developing their extremist base numbers in conceptions and Islamic soldiers. Same as the Nazis did.

171 Marvo76  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 6:12:00pm

re: #119 jwb7605

Hard to argue with, for sure.
Another thing that might get me in deeper shit tonight is my personal interpretation of Matthew 10:34. I've wondered recently who or what He was referring to?

Actually he is refering to the second coming, when he has already given them the chance to do it the "easy way" and now those who didn't are gonna pay the price for defiance....least that is what the Sunday school teacher defined it as....

172 Sol Roth  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 6:12:04pm

re: #162 NY Nana

I am on AOL, WindowsXP and IE7, and am getting knocked off the thread when I hit 'reply' or 'quote'. It started about 45 minutes ago.

Wow thanks for the reply. I've been having problems for weeks using Safari at LGF and now Exploder just shuts down for no reason all the while blaming my spam filter.

I think Skynet has taken over.

173 Outrider  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 6:13:23pm

re: #172 Sol Roth

Wow thanks for the reply. I've been having problems for weeks using Safari at LGF and now Exploder just shuts down for no reason all the while blaming my spam filter.

I think Skynet has taken over.

on Safari here with no problems. Vista.

174 NY Nana  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 6:13:51pm

re: #165 Outrider

you haven't tried Firefox or Safari yet?

Yes and yes...cannot get the hang of it..NY Grampa has officially given up.

Charles has a thread today re problems..I think it is in English. ;)

175 Sol Roth  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 6:15:42pm

Wow, checkout the music selection on the front page. Who the hell is this Israel Kamakawiwo'ole fellow/woman?

176 NY Nana  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 6:16:08pm

re: #172 Sol Roth

Wow thanks for the reply. I've been having problems for weeks using Safari at LGF and now Exploder just shuts down for no reason all the while blaming my spam filter.

I think Skynet has taken over.

/I think it is one of the jealous banned ex-lizards ratsos who have hate blogs directed at LGF!

177 jcm  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 6:16:33pm

re: #167 Bobibutu

And firing from the hip increases your chances of a hit.

/

I makes good video for the evening snooze. Israel attacks poor children in the street with a mulit-million dollar highly advanced attack helicopter supplied by the US, while the valiant militant with the panache to fire from the hip has only a simple rifle to defend them with!
///

178 Bob Dillon  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 6:17:17pm

re: #145 taxfreekiller

Here is Ms tfk,

I hope that there are a few of you out there who have concern about the lack of a Presidential pardon for Border Patrol Officers Ramos and Compean by George Bush...considering the calibre of those whom he has pardoned, there is a palor cast on his administration. It is hard to understand why meth "cookers", embezzlers, those harboring convicts and law breakers, drug lords from Mexico, etc. were privy to pardons....yet, these two men who were employed by the U.S. Government to protect the U.S. Government were thrown to the wolves because they were doing their job to protect the U.S. Government. The main crimes that are being committed in our country, are by illegal immigrants who have broken the law to come into our country...break-ins, burglary, drive by shootings, gang related crimes, rape, torture and murder and human sex slave trafficing. Rarely, does the media show the person, their names, etc....just a generic description. How stupid does the media think we are. What will it take to correct this travesty.....Will it be one of your loved ones or friends that will be newsworthy because of their torture, mutilation and death.....and the court verdict will be a political pay back. My question is what will it take for America to stand up for truth, justice and the Constitution....

Sincerely,

Ms. Tax Free Killer

We are on it Ms. TFK

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

179 mean Gene  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 6:17:29pm

So, how's the ''unilateral ceasefire'' holding up?

180 Nuclear Ninja  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 6:17:39pm

re: #148 Outrider

So tell me the secret to survival...JK...good job.

181 Sol Roth  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 6:17:58pm

re: #176 NY Nana

/I think it is one of the jealous banned ex-lizards ratsos who have hate blogs directed at LGF!

Yep, artificial intelligence alright.

182 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 6:18:58pm

re: #172 Sol Roth

Wow thanks for the reply. I've been having problems for weeks using Safari at LGF and now Exploder just shuts down for no reason all the while blaming my spam filter.

I think Skynet has taken over.

What would Ahnuld say about that?

183 NY Nana  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 6:19:28pm

re: #175 Sol Roth

Here he is. Sadly, he is no longer with us.

Youtube Video
184 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 6:19:38pm

re: #181 Sol Roth

Yep, artificial intelligence stupidity alright.

fixed.

185 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 6:20:05pm

re: #170 notutopia

There's 1.5 mil +/- people on that strip in 60 yrs.+/- I do not know the Islamic subset population number.
The Islamic's condone taking multiple wives, who have multiple children, all now from common paternal genetics maps.
Any ranchers here who breed registered cattle? What's the probability of the genetic sharing in this subset of Islamics.
It's a scientific theory. Nothing more, nothing less. Islamic extremism is the cause or the effect. They propone developing their extremist base numbers in conceptions and Islamic soldiers. Same as the Nazis did.

My understanding is that polygamy is, or was, pretty rare in the region (the smaller region), however, and Gaza was not nearly as isolated as it currently is until very recently, as in last five years recently.

Also, if adopting an unpleasant ideology is a symptom of inbreeding, what is what to conclude about, say, the assorted cultures who were apparently inbred in the earlier half of the twentieth century, and then recovered after 1945?

186 NY Nana  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 6:20:53pm

re: #181 Sol Roth

Yep, artificial no intelligence alright.

Fixed it for you! ;)

187 NY Nana  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 6:21:38pm

re: #184 Dark_Falcon

fixed.

GMTA, but you type faster!

188 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 6:21:44pm

re: #185 SanFranciscoZionist

sorry, that should be "what is ONE to conclude?"

189 notutopia  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 6:23:02pm

re: #145 taxfreekiller

Ttfk, I sent my supportive letter with 20 additional couples signatures from other supporters, off to President Bush two weeks ago. I also sent the letters to my congresspeople in Tx. and NC and Va.
We're with you and the Mrs. and Ramos and Compean.
The clock is ticking. Say a prayer now.

190 itellu3times  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 6:23:09pm

re: #30 notutopia

Hamas is a cowardly, disgusting, swarm of evil barbarians, to use their own flesh and blood as cannon fodder. This culture is demented and inhuman.

Bill Maher thinks they are heroic, and so do they.

191 jwb7605  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 6:23:25pm

re: #171 Marvo76

Actually he is refering to the second coming, when he has already given them the chance to do it the "easy way" and now those who didn't are gonna pay the price for defiance....least that is what the Sunday school teacher defined it as....

I've always heard that, as well. When I bolded who, I was thinking specifically of the "alternative" interpretations, eerily similar to what is printed in the Wikipedia article, and used by Jihadists:

"Do not think that I came to bring peace on the earth; I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. For I came to set a man against his father, and a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law; and a man’s enemies will be the members of his household. He who loves father or mother more than Me is not worthy of Me; and he who loves son or daughter more than Me is not worthy of Me. And he who does not take his cross and follow after Me is not worthy of Me. He who has found his life will lose it, and he who has lost his life for My sake will find it." (Matthew 10:34-39 NASB)


I mean no offense to anybody, but I could easily re-write that to conform to Jihadi philosophy. I firmly believe Jesus existed, and is (was?) who he said he was. What frightens me is that he may have been referring to the next prophet. (False prophet? ... who knows?). I'll let you know for sure after I'm dead.

192 Bob Dillon  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 6:24:55pm

re: #177 jcm

I makes good video for the evening snooze. Israel attacks poor children in the street with a mulit-million dollar highly advanced attack helicopter supplied by the US, while the valiant militant with the panache to fire from the hip has only a simple rifle to defend them with!
///

True *sigh* - it really is just more theater. High risk propaganda and they are good at what they do ... sick puppies but I'll give them that.

193 Marvo76  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 6:25:21pm

re: #191 jwb7605

let us hope that is a long way off for both of us...

194 Sol Roth  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 6:25:43pm

re: #183 NY Nana

Here he is. Sadly, he is no longer with us.

Youtube Video

Soulful fellow. Too many people like him checking out way too early.

195 jwb7605  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 6:26:52pm

re: #193 Marvo76

let us hope that is a long way off for both of us...

Upding on that!

196 [deleted]  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 6:27:35pm
197 mean Gene  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 6:27:36pm

Weird ''ceasefire.''
IDF vows to stay in Gaza until all rocket launching stops targeting Israel and Hamas vows to fight on as long as IDF are in Israel (and beyond, too, I'm sure).

198 NY Nana  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 6:28:09pm

re: #194 Sol Roth

Soulful fellow. Too many people like him checking out way too early.

Yes, and he was beloved in Hawaii...very sad. I think it might have been YouTube who brought him to our attention here.

/At least they did 1 good thing.

199 Sol Roth  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 6:29:18pm

It's been fun, gotto skeedaddle. God Bless Israel in her continuing fight for survival against the forces of barbarity and darkness.

200 notutopia  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 6:29:25pm

re: #185 SanFranciscoZionist

See #45 and 84.
This is where this thought process began.
Interesting questions. As I said, I think it would be quite valuable to have 3 generations of genetic mapping of the families in Gaza to scientifically have a base to study.
I think 3 generations would be possible to find for a subset there.

201 cornerback  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 6:31:26pm

Where'd all those bullets land?

202 Marvo76  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 6:31:29pm

re: #197 mean Gene

Weird ''ceasefire.''
IDF vows to stay in Gaza until all rocket launching stops targeting Israel and Hamas vows to fight on as long as IDF are in Israel (and beyond, too, I'm sure).

Uh don't they call this a mexican standoff?

203 notutopia  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 6:31:48pm

re: #190 itellu3times

Bill Maher thinks they are heroic, and so do they.


Yeah, well that's why they call this America...
Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, as long as it isn't racist.

204 Outrider  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 6:34:58pm

re: #180 Nuclear Ninja

So tell me the secret to survival...JK...good job.

outthink the enemy. Don't fight your environment. ;-)>

205 Nuclear Ninja  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 6:36:14pm

re: #204 Outrider

Hold out for 72 hours?

206 Outrider  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 6:38:31pm

re: #205 Nuclear Ninja

Hold out for 72 hours?

both times. The first was a real pisser because when I got to the light line, I still had to go to the camp. I just got there a couple days after many of the rest.

207 Nuclear Ninja  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 6:39:28pm

re: #206 Outrider

Light line? Friendly?

208 Wm T Sherman  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 6:39:45pm

Re: discussion of inbreeding.

There is something about the world distribution that is quite striking -- can't quite put my finger on it.

Suffice it to say, I suspect that in Gaza they had a head start.

Current prevalence of consanguineous unions

As a working definition, unions contracted between persons biologically related as second cousins (F ≥ 0.0156) are categorized as consanguineous. This arbitrary limit has been chosen because the genetic influence in marriages between couples related to a lesser degree would usually be expected to differ only slightly from that observed in the general population. Globally, the most common form of consanguineous union contracted is between first cousins, in which the spouses share 1/8 of their genes inherited from a common ancestor, and so their progeny are homozygous (or more correctly autozygous) at 1/16 of all loci.

[Link: www.consang.net...]

Global Prevalence of consanguinity

The global prevalence of consanguinity map was compiled from detailed source data listed in Tables which, in turn, were sourced from a comprehensive collection of References.

The majority of national consanguinity levels shown in the map are either the most recent study or an average of several studies.

It is recommended that the detailed data in the Tables is referred to when analysing the map.

As of April 2008, the consanguinity level for Nigeria has been lowered due to queries on the available data.


[Link: www.consang.net...]

209 CofactorMatrix  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 6:42:22pm

re: #203 notutopia

Yeah, well that's why they call this America...
Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, as long as it isn't racist.

Gotta love them freedom fighters!

So, now, who would argue that they aren't simply savages -- animalistic barbarians.

210 [deleted]  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 6:43:13pm
211 path  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 6:43:40pm

re: #28 Dustyvet

U.S. War College member insists that Islam does not "promote kidnappings, beheadings and other unlicensed hostile actions"


Unlicensed?

Did they use the //sarc tag?

212 Outrider  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 6:43:52pm

re: #207 Nuclear Ninja

Light line? Friendly?

they may call it something else now. the perimeter of the down range area where lights were no longer permitted was referred to as the light line. That was in theory the safe ground. If we reached that line without being caught by the patrols, we were to have been safe.

213 [deleted]  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 6:45:09pm
214 hazzyday  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 6:45:41pm

re: #149 Sol Roth

I agree with with you Mrs. TFK. It's long past time to commute their sentences.

They are essentially political prisoners that cronies got ahold of.

215 [deleted]  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 6:46:08pm
216 LEGION  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 6:46:37pm

Ehhhh- so the spotters are collateral damage- the willing dupe western reporters that swallow their swill should also be collateral damage. Who with a brain still listens to them?

217 CofactorMatrix  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 6:47:26pm

re: #210 ploome hineni

The Associated Press
Saturday, January 17, 2009

Change.

Great. Just f'n great.

218 UberInfidel67  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 6:48:00pm

The only entity "occupying" Gaza is satan himself....because it sure as f*ck aint the Jews doing this to them. Grrrrrrrrrrr. No cease-fire dammit! I have faith thought that the armies of God will forever withstand the forces of the army of satan. Forever.

219 Nuclear Ninja  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 6:48:11pm

re: #212 Outrider

I've hear that before, you can make it back to friendly lines, but you still go to the resistance "laboratory. I understand we spend at least 96 hours in captivity...but any information we hold is of use for only 72 hours, so it is safe to crack after 72 hours. Who knows. I'll do my best, I guess.

220 karmic_inquisitor  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 6:48:59pm

*no Palestinian was forced to wear underwear on his head or make a naked human pyramid in the making of this war, so we've done absolutely nothing wrong - Hamas Management

221 Kenneth  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 6:51:13pm

re: #114 SanFranciscoZionist

Have to remember, though, that all this was going on decades ago when the PLO were using secular Marxist rhetoric. Religious extremism is distinctly making things worse, but I wonder if you can define it as the root problem.

The Marxist clap-trap that the PLO used to spout back in the 1960's and 1970's was simply paying lip service to their paymasters, the USSR. Since the Russians stopped paying, they no longer feel the need to mum the words. The root has always been religi0on. Once a land has been conquered for Islam, it must never be relinquished to the Infidel. That is why a tiny scrap of rocky desert ruled by Jews upsets them so. But you can be sure, 'Palestine' is not the end of it. Spain & southern France were once Muslim territory, as was the Balkans, Sicily, Kashmir, Thailand, Chechnya... you get the picture.

222 Outrider  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 6:51:19pm

re: #219 Nuclear Ninja

I've hear that before, you can make it back to friendly lines, but you still go to the resistance "laboratory. I understand we spend at least 96 hours in captivity...but any information we hold is of use for only 72 hours, so it is safe to crack after 72 hours. Who knows. I'll do my best, I guess.

You said you are at Bragg? You will do fine. ;-)>

223 Outrider  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 6:52:13pm

re: #219 Nuclear Ninja

I've hear that before, you can make it back to friendly lines, but you still go to the resistance "laboratory. I understand we spend at least 96 hours in captivity...but any information we hold is of use for only 72 hours, so it is safe to crack after 72 hours. Who knows. I'll do my best, I guess.

if you can make it 72, then you can make it 73. then you can make it 74. I found with courses like this you don't take the long approach.

224 brookly red  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 6:53:16pm

re: #129 Dr. Shalit

Charles, and ALL Other Lizardim -

That HAMAS uses WOMEN and CHILDREN as HUMAN SHIELDS is a GIVEN. Question is, where do WE go from there?

-S-

Hows about we start by by keeping them out of here?

225 Kenneth  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 6:55:29pm

re: #210 ploome hineni

"She has a stellar reputation in the faith community,"

There is something truly creepy about that sentence. They don't bother refuting the charges against her. Instead they claim she has lots of friends.

226 Nuclear Ninja  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 6:56:04pm

re: #223 Outrider

I know I'll crack...I just don't want to give up valuable info while it is useful. I'm always up for good training. I'm kind of looking forward to it because I've heard it is valuable training and I have a difficult mission ahead. Yee-haw!

227 mean Gene  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 6:56:12pm

re: #208 Wm T Sherman

Thanks for the interesting link.
I see Egypt's institutionalized kidnap/rape/forced conversio/forced marriage of all the Coptic girls put a big dent in their numbers.
Well, give it a generation.
We need to use this map when lefty apologists claim to understand Islamists.
We can say:
No, you don't.
Not unless you can understand what hatred of the female drives them to this.

228 Marvo76  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 6:57:02pm

re: #213 ploome hineni

..if we can only make it through the next 4 years

I will settle for enough incidents to have another revolution in the house and a swing back in the Senate....Getting rid of Pelosi and Reid would be christmas and New Years all over again...

229 Unakite  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 6:57:58pm

re: #83 SanFranciscoZionist

Doubt it. 'Several decades' is only a couple generations. The Bedouin do have some recurrent genetic problems due to inbreeding, since they strongly favor first-cousin marriages for social reasons, and the problem crops up elsewhere in the Arab world, but that's a much longer-term problem.

Pretty sure this is nurture, not nature. Most of these folks would be fine if they could get some fresh air and a good night's sleep, and a few years of deprogramming. Look at the Druze.

I worked with a guy from Lebanon who was a druze. I had never heard the term before and I thought they said "druid." I remember thinking, I didn't know there were any druids in the middle east.

230 Bob Dillon  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 6:58:39pm

re: #224 brookly red

Hows about we start by by keeping them out of here?

The great swimming lion of the senate has insured that that will not happen without dismantling the legislation he has pushed thru over the past 35+ years.

231 Marvo76  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 7:01:00pm

re: #230 Bobibutu

With any luck his seat will be filled soon, although I don't wish cancer on anyone (having survived Bladder cancer myself) The sooner he is outa there,t he sooner we can get some action by a junior senator who doesn't know the ropes as well to pull the same crap....

232 Outrider  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 7:02:14pm

re: #226 Nuclear Ninja

I know I'll crack...I just don't want to give up valuable info while it is useful. I'm always up for good training. I'm kind of looking forward to it because I've heard it is valuable training and I have a difficult mission ahead. Yee-haw!

pit yourself against them. make it an internal game. Build a house in your head. Write a computer program in your head. Just go off in lala land. It gets to be somewhat amusing after awhile.

When you give out any info beyond the required, they use that to build upon, so don't provide it. If they run it like they used to, they are using interrogators so they know what they are doing.

233 Kenneth  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 7:03:07pm

re: #208 Wm T Sherman

Stunning data! In Saudi Arabia & Pakistan, 50% of all marriages are consanguineous, between first cousins. Inbreeding is endemic.

234 path  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 7:04:25pm

re: #98 EmmmieG


EmmmieG - I am SO with your comment. Not once since the madness began has any Muslim come out to condemn all of these horrific actions. Yes indeed - prove it by your actions and those of Allah's follower's.

235 Nuclear Ninja  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 7:04:43pm

re: #232 Outrider

Good advice...see you on the other side. Thanks!

236 CofactorMatrix  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 7:04:46pm

re: #83 SanFranciscoZionist

Doubt it. 'Several decades' is only a couple generations. The Bedouin do have some recurrent genetic problems due to inbreeding, since they strongly favor first-cousin marriages for social reasons, and the problem crops up elsewhere in the Arab world, but that's a much longer-term problem.

Pretty sure this is nurture, not nature. Most of these folks would be fine if they could get some fresh air and a good night's sleep, and a few years of deprogramming. Look at the Druze.

My brother-in-law was a neonatologist in Saudi Arabia for 10 or so years. He says that there is a large incidence of consanguinity-based disease/deformity in newborns to which modern pediatric textbooks only devote one or two lines. He said he did a lot of flying by the seat of his pants (and got more than one nice Rolex from grateful princes for saving little "Turki").

237 [deleted]  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 7:05:45pm
238 karmasherabwangchuk  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 7:05:47pm

this story warms my heart. I know from personal experience as a teacher that it does wonderful things for a child's sense of self-esteem and personal self worth if you give them something useful to do!

239 CofactorMatrix  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 7:06:24pm

re: #226 Nuclear Ninja

I know I'll crack...I just don't want to give up valuable info while it is useful. I'm always up for good training. I'm kind of looking forward to it because I've heard it is valuable training and I have a difficult mission ahead. Yee-haw!

I have some time to kill in a hotel today. I'm going to crack if I see any more inauguration $#!7

240 Nuclear Ninja  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 7:07:18pm

re: #239 CofactorMatrix

I'm kind of thankful I'll be in SERE the next 3 weeks so I don't have to put up with the nausea.

241 Ben Hur  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 7:07:21pm

Those civilians aren't only spotters, they're spectators.

Going to watch a gang of 4 "terrorists" take pot shots at Israeli positions was the #1 spectator sport during the intifadas and, apparently from this video, is during this campaign as well.

242 WriterMom  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 7:08:12pm

re: #241 Ben Hur

HUR!

Shavua tov!

243 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 7:08:17pm

re: #229 Unakite

I worked with a guy from Lebanon who was a druze. I had never heard the term before and I thought they said "druid." I remember thinking, I didn't know there were any druids in the middle east.

For all they want outsiders knowing about their religion, they might as well be druids...tough folks, good folks. Israel has benefited hugely from good relations with them. Some of the IDF's best trackers come from the Druze communities.

244 olga  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 7:08:27pm

Where are we talking about the end of the cease-fire?

At 2:19 IAF fires at Hamas launch site, shortly before Hamas fired.

245 WriterMom  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 7:09:38pm

re: #233 Kenneth

Kenneth-I just read something horrifying about Pakistan-remind me to tell you about "Brides of the Koran" when I see you next.

246 Ben Hur  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 7:09:42pm

re: #242 WriterMom

HUR!

Shavua tov!

Gam lach!

247 [deleted]  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 7:10:06pm
248 notutopia  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 7:10:15pm

re: #208 Wm T Sherman

Re: discussion of inbreeding.

There is something about the world distribution that is quite striking -- can't quite put my finger on it.

Suffice it to say, I suspect that in Gaza they had a head start.

Current prevalence of consanguineous unions

As a working definition, unions contracted between persons biologically related as second cousins (F ≥ 0.0156) are categorized as consanguineous. This arbitrary limit has been chosen because the genetic influence in marriages between couples related to a lesser degree would usually be expected to differ only slightly from that observed in the general population. Globally, the most common form of consanguineous union contracted is between first cousins, in which the spouses share 1/8 of their genes inherited from a common ancestor, and so their progeny are homozygous (or more correctly autozygous) at 1/16 of all loci.

[Link: www.consang.net...]

Global Prevalence of consanguinity

The global prevalence of consanguinity map was compiled from detailed source data listed in Tables which, in turn, were sourced from a comprehensive collection of References.

The majority of national consanguinity levels shown in the map are either the most recent study or an average of several studies.

It is recommended that the detailed data in the Tables is referred to when analysing the map.

As of April 2008, the consanguinity level for Nigeria has been lowered due to queries on the available data.

[Link: www.consang.net...]

Thank you for referencing this fantastic research report and table.
I have bookmarked it and will spend some quality time
reviewing it.

249 paybacktime  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 7:10:20pm

It will be best for all for Hamas to surrender unconditionally to Israel.

250 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 7:10:38pm

re: #233 Kenneth

Stunning data! In Saudi Arabia & Pakistan, 50% of all marriages are consanguineous, between first cousins. Inbreeding is endemic.


My great grandparents were first cousins. It was a tiny shtetl in hell-and-gone Byelorussia, so who else were you gonna marry? Of course, my mother went and married an Irish Catholic, thereby hopefully blasting any gathering bad genetics to the four winds...and I found a Scots-Irish-Cherokee guy.

251 CofactorMatrix  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 7:10:38pm

re: #240 Nuclear Ninja

I'm kind of thankful I'll be in SERE the next 3 weeks so I don't have to put up with the nausea.

Better you than me -- sorry. I'll just stick to the 'net and listening to the blues!

252 Outrider  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 7:10:47pm

re: #235 Nuclear Ninja

Good advice...see you on the other side. Thanks!

Good luck. Continue to march.

253 Bob Dillon  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 7:10:50pm

re: #231 Marvo76

Getting enough folks together with the balls to undo the mischief he did to our immigration laws will take some doing.

I wish he would just retire - his ego's too big for that tho.

254 Ben Hur  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 7:11:00pm

Layla Tov.

255 Kenneth  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 7:11:15pm

re: #243 SanFranciscoZionist

The Druze are an offshoot of a 10th century Shia sect which was declared heretical. Today, the Druze keep their rites & beliefs secret while other Muslims deny the Druze are Muslims at all.

256 brookly red  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 7:12:10pm

re: #230 Bobibutu

I have thought for a long time that we are in our version of 40 years in the wilderness. Me thinks this last election was the last dance for the summer of 67 crowd...

257 WriterMom  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 7:12:57pm

re: #254 Ben Hur

Chalomot paz!

258 Outrider  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 7:13:30pm

re: #247 ploome hineni

you articulate the major problem in the west

ISLAM TEACHES TOTALLY DIFFERENT VALUES FROM CHRISTIANITY AND JUDIASM

as difficult as that is to wrap your mind around..the right of the individual is SUBJUGATED to the ummah......and islam is a way of life of SUBMISSION

not free will

free will and individual rights do not exist in islam

that has always been a problem. We constantly approach problems as one of human nature when there is no such thing. We try to approach problems in the world from our perspective, when they are looking at the problem through different lenses. Different values totally.

259 PayBackTime  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 7:14:44pm

Obama is treated as if he is the Second Coming.

All the commemorative plates, coins, t-shirts, hats is a bonanza for off-shore manufacturers like China, Malaysia, Indonesia.

The Love Fest will be over in a few months. I'll be watching a lot of DVDs meanwhile and reading LGF.

260 WriterMom  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 7:15:02pm

re: #258 Outrider

That's why we are F$%&cked.

An unwillingness to say, hey-you know what? We are better..our values are superior and yours SUCK.

261 Kenneth  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 7:15:39pm

re: #250 SanFranciscoZionist

It's one thing when a few people marry cousins, but it's much more dangerous when whole societies engage in it, generation after generation. If the Saudis & Pakistanis have been doing this at rates of 50% for several generations, it means that most of the population are genetically the same as brothers & sisters. The gene pool is getting very, very shallow.

262 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 7:19:43pm

re: #261 Kenneth

It's one thing when a few people marry cousins, but it's much more dangerous when whole societies engage in it, generation after generation. If the Saudis & Pakistanis have been doing this at rates of 50% for several generations, it means that most of the population are genetically the same as brothers & sisters. The gene pool is getting very, very shallow.

I was being silly. You're absolutely right, serious inbreeding will bite a community in the tuchis. I'm curious to know if the other oil states have similar problems, based on a small population and their general cultural wackiness. Pakistan I really don't understand at all...

263 path  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 7:19:44pm

re: #153 NY Nana

It is not for Israel to do. The cult of islam is what governs their every move..and the ones who are trying to destroy Israel are doing it on what is Israeli land.

The Christians who live in Israel are Israelis, and they also are in danger...but it is the Jews who the cult members want to destroy.

Enough! Give them a grain of sand, and they want the whole desert...but Israel has bloomed.

I do not think that these cult members are capable of living in peace. Even their own brethren do not want them, and they thus occupy Israeli land.

I have watched this from here since 1948, when the State of Israel was proclaimed. It tears my heart up.

Israel has given so much to the word...and yet it seems that everyone wants to destroy Israel...but thank G-d for righteous Gentiles, who are on the side of Israel.

I do not remember Jew hate like we see now since I was a kid. I am scared for my kids and grandkids...


NYNana - I am not of your faith but I agree that I have never in my life seen hatred for the Jewish population like this. It is very frightening and I don't understand why the majority of people don't speak to it immediately. Especially in the United States, how can people be allowed to act this way? Why is there no condemnation immediately of such behavior? How can any American who is enjoying our many freedoms believe such crap? It's certainly beyond my understanding. The world is so very different now and I'm not sure how it all happened or when ( or if) it will end.

264 notutopia  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 7:19:48pm

re: #261 Kenneth

It's one thing when a few people marry cousins, but it's much more dangerous when whole societies engage in it, generation after generation. If the Saudis & Pakistanis have been doing this at rates of 50% for several generations, it means that most of the population are genetically the same as brothers & sisters. The gene pool is getting very, very shallow.

Kenneth, Take a look at Sudan. 70%!

265 [deleted]  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 7:20:06pm
266 Outrider  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 7:20:39pm

re: #260 WriterMom

That's why we are F$%&cked.

An unwillingness to say, hey-you know what? We are better..our values are superior and yours SUCK.

we will persevere. in this world the one with the most efficient life style will eventually be the victors. Theirs is a culture doomed to failure if for no other reason than the sheer inefficiency prevalent in that culture. They produce nothing of consequence. They produce nothing of beauty. Thy produce nothing of lasting value. Theirs is a culture of death and that is what will doom it.

267 Outrider  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 7:21:40pm

re: #263 path

NYNana - I am not of your faith but I agree that I have never in my life seen hatred for the Jewish population like this. It is very frightening and I don't understand why the majority of people don't speak to it immediately. Especially in the United States, how can people be allowed to act this way? Why is there no condemnation immediately of such behavior? How can any American who is enjoying our many freedoms believe such crap? It's certainly beyond my understanding. The world is so very different now and I'm not sure how it all happened or when ( or if) it will end.

what perplexes me is where is the outrage from the American Jewish organizations? Why are they being quiet?

268 CofactorMatrix  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 7:23:09pm

re: #266 Outrider

I think you've hit it there. It may take generations, but eventually the people of this planet will be purged of the degenerates and defectives as they eventually destroy themselves. By mollycoddling -- "celebrating" them, in libspeak -- we're only prolonging the misery.

269 Bob Dillon  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 7:23:27pm

re: #256 brookly red

I have thought for a long time that we are in our version of 40 years in the wilderness. Me thinks this last election was the last dance for the summer of 67 crowd...

Hope so.
Didn't I see some stat about the majority of The Ones supporters being under 27 - or a large block anyway?

270 WriterMom  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 7:25:33pm

re: #267 Outrider

Have you got a few days?

271 brookly red  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 7:25:55pm

re: #267 Outrider

what perplexes me is where is the outrage from the American Jewish organizations? Why are they being quiet?

? just because CNN doesn't repeat it doesn't mean it wasn't said...

272 Outrider  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 7:26:49pm

re: #268 CofactorMatrix

I think you've hit it there. It may take generations, but eventually the people of this planet will be purged of the degenerates and defectives as they eventually destroy themselves. By mollycoddling -- "celebrating" them, in libspeak -- we're only prolonging the misery.

well, we are enabling them to succeed despite themselves.

273 WriterMom  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 7:27:10pm

re: #266 Outrider

This is a running theme in Fallaci's work...she ends one of them by saying that she was always comforted by the fact that our ways are about life-like a spring, always renewing, always nurturing life. They are about death-and inevitably will self-extinguish. There is no need fo sadness...but continual optimism because of the truth.

274 Outrider  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 7:27:28pm

re: #270 WriterMom

Have you got a few days?

in what regard?

275 brookly red  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 7:28:41pm

re: #269 Bobibutu
yes BUT they can only vote for what is placed in front of them...

276 Outrider  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 7:28:48pm

re: #273 WriterMom

This is a running theme in Fallaci's work...she ends one of them by saying that she was always comforted by the fact that our ways are about life-like a spring, always renewing, always nurturing life. They are about death-and inevitably will self-extinguish. There is no need fo sadness...but continual optimism because of the truth.

she says it more philosophically than I, but yeah. ;-)>

277 Kenneth  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 7:30:08pm

re: #265 ploome hineni

I've been following your comments on that point, and you are absolutely right. There are differences between cultures. Cultures produce people. Therefore people from different cultures will have different values, perceptions and priorities. A culture which raises it's children immersed in hatred, violence, misogyny, paranoia and narcissism, will produce exactly that kind of people.

278 CofactorMatrix  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 7:31:10pm

re: #273 WriterMom

This is a running theme in Fallaci's work...she ends one of them by saying that she was always comforted by the fact that our ways are about life-like a spring, always renewing, always nurturing life. They are about death-and inevitably will self-extinguish. There is no need fo sadness...but continual optimism because of the truth.

I don't know Fallaci, but it sounds like I'd like to. I've come to understand that you can't defeat truth -- it ultimately prevails and consequently we're best to embrace it early and often. It's so obvious, I kick myself for wasting decades thinking otherwise.

279 jhrhv  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 7:31:52pm

The more I see of these videos the more I think these people are the worst douche bags on the face of the planet. Also notice there isn't a single person with anything close to a uniform among those running around with sub machine guns. They must all just be peaceful civilians.

/douche bags

280 Outrider  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 7:32:40pm

re: #279 jhrhv

The more I see of these videos the more I think these people are the worst douche bags on the face of the planet. Also notice there isn't a single person with anything close to a uniform among those running around with sub machine guns. They must all just be peaceful civilians.

/douche bags

which accounts for a high civilian death rate ;-)>

281 WriterMom  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 7:33:15pm

re: #274 Outrider

I mean it's a long story...but if you read "The Oslo Syndrome", you will get it completely. Most Jewish organizations are liberal organizations, run by Jews-not Jewish really anymore.

282 Outrider  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 7:33:39pm

re: #277 Kenneth

I've been following your comments on that point, and you are absolutely right. There are differences between cultures. Cultures produce people. Therefore people from different cultures will have different values, perceptions and priorities. A culture which raises it's children immersed in hatred, violence, misogyny, paranoia and narcissism, will produce exactly that kind of people.

you forgot sexually repressed which I believe account for a substantial portion of their bizarre mentalities.

283 Outrider  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 7:34:28pm

re: #281 WriterMom

I mean it's a long story...but if you read "The Oslo Syndrome", you will get it completely. Most Jewish organizations are liberal organizations, run by Jews-not Jewish really anymore.

all i can say is i will add it to my list, my rather long list of books i need to read ;-)>

284 CofactorMatrix  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 7:35:54pm

re: #282 Outrider

you forgot sexually repressed which I believe account for a substantial portion of their bizarre mentalities.

And probably too much coffee ;)

285 WriterMom  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 7:36:11pm

re: #282 Outrider

Absolutely. That is a huge part of the psychosis.

286 Kenneth  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 7:36:16pm

re: #262 SanFranciscoZionist

According to the tables on the website you linked to, Kuwait & Sudan are also very high, as are certain regions of most Arab states & parts of Iran. It seems to be a tribal thing.

287 Outrider  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 7:36:33pm

re: #281 WriterMom

I mean it's a long story...but if you read "The Oslo Syndrome", you will get it completely. Most Jewish organizations are liberal organizations, run by Jews-not Jewish really anymore.

i could accept that when the nuts were screaming about the zionists. but now they are screaming about Jews. these liberal jews can put whatever spin they want on it, but when the nuts come around they are not going to care if the Jew is secular or not. or am i off on this assumption?

288 Outrider  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 7:37:04pm

re: #284 CofactorMatrix

And probably too much coffee ;)

ah now, one can never have too much coffee ;-)>

289 path  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 7:37:13pm

re: #284 CofactorMatrix

And probably too much coffee ;)


Maybe it's just listening to all those roosters.

290 WriterMom  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 7:37:16pm

re: #278 CofactorMatrix

I personally think it boils down to life versus death. Judeo Christian values are life, and the death cult is the death cult.

291 jaunte  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 7:37:19pm

re: #282 Outrider

Sayyid Qutb, had a few problems in that regard:

"Qutb lamented to his readers that he was never able to find a woman of sufficient "moral purity and discretion" and had to reconcile himself to bachelorhood."
...
In an article published in Egypt after his travels, he noted with disapproval the sexuality of Americans:

"...the American girl is well acquainted with her body's seductive capacity. She knows it lies in the face, and in expressive eyes, and thirsty lips. She knows seductiveness lies in the round breasts, the full buttocks, and in the shapely thighs, sleek legs — and she shows all this and does not hide it."


[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

292 Kenneth  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 7:37:45pm

re: #279 jhrhv

but I thought nike runners and addidas track suits were the Pali uniform?

293 WriterMom  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 7:38:27pm

re: #287 Outrider

These same types don't get that in Israel, the bomber never asks people how they voted before they blow themselves up. It's the lalalalalalalla not listening school of thought.

294 brookly red  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 7:38:31pm

re: #279 jhrhv

Bitterly clinging to their AKs, Korans & antipathy for other people...////
/////// & /

295 WriterMom  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 7:39:02pm

re: #292 Kenneth

You're up late...wassup?

296 Outrider  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 7:40:22pm

re: #291 jaunte

Sayyid Qutb, had a few problems in that regard:


[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

now that old boy was horribly repressed. even for that period of time. even most of his own folks didn't buy off on his crap. If i recall they hung him.

of course, he was the foundation for the wahabbist movement now. they continue his madness.

297 Kenneth  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 7:41:04pm

re: #284 CofactorMatrix

A comprehensive study of the pathology can be found here.

298 CofactorMatrix  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 7:41:07pm

re: #290 WriterMom

I personally think it boils down to life versus death. Judeo Christian values are life, and the death cult is the death cult.

Yes, I would agree in so far as Judeo-Christian values are what I like to think of as the "truth vectors" -- the vehicles that carry truth. You can have many different vehicles, but only one truth.

299 [deleted]  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 7:41:15pm
300 Outrider  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 7:41:23pm

re: #293 WriterMom

These same types don't get that in Israel, the bomber never asks people how they voted before they blow themselves up. It's the lalalalalalalla not listening school of thought.

yup. always amazed me the folks walking around with blinders on. What is the expression? The gater will still eat you, just last?

301 path  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 7:42:20pm

re: #299 ploome hineni


Even is she's 10 years old?

302 Outrider  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 7:42:49pm

re: #299 ploome hineni

they are sexually repressed until they marry, then they are out of control

and can have 4 wives and all that their 'right hand' holds

the man has sexual rights to his wife any time..even if she is feeding her baby

according to the koran she must leave her baby to satisfy her husband

just another aspect of the repression. sad when you think about it.

303 Kenneth  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 7:43:13pm

re: #295 WriterMom

The Mrs is out of town for the weekend & I'm having a wild night on the town. OK, not 'out' on the town, but by the fire, sipping a scotch and reading LGF.

How are you doing?

304 Outrider  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 7:45:45pm

I think their men are terribly repressed sexually and have very deep seated roots of inadequacy. Hence their desperate desire for a virgin, so he can not be compared to a previous partner. These comparisons even go to the extent of punishing a rape victim because she has experienced a man and can "judge" a future partner.

305 [deleted]  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 7:46:04pm
306 DisturbedEma  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 7:46:17pm

re: #287 Outrider

i could accept that when the nuts were screaming about the zionists. but now they are screaming about Jews. these liberal jews can put whatever spin they want on it, but when the nuts come around they are not going to care if the Jew is secular or not. or am i off on this assumption?

IMO- no you are not off. . .they have also been convinced of the whole pc mentality. . .

Imagine is their anthem. . .

307 Kenneth  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 7:47:04pm

re: #299 ploome hineni

That's only the half of it. There are shockingly high rates of incest, inlaw rape, sodomy of boys since women aren't available, bestiality, and the curious practice of mothers masturbating their young boys to 'soothe' them.

308 Marvo76  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 7:47:11pm

re: #260 WriterMom

That's why we are F$%&cked.

An unwillingness to say, hey-you know what? We are better..our values are superior and yours SUCK.

that comes from the liberal mindset that morals can't be taught and why the ACLU fights the fight of freedom FROM religion rather than freedom OF religion. Yet they turn around and shove counter-morals (gay love, free sex, and abortion) as being THEIR superior set of morals,...anything goes as long as it doesn't hurt me....Hedonistic pleasures with no accounting for the costs. Which is strange considering that is one of the reasons that the Islamists hate us, our LACK fo morals according to THEIR standards......go figure

////

309 DisturbedEma  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 7:47:21pm

re: #300 Outrider

yup. always amazed me the folks walking around with blinders on. What is the expression? The gater will still eat you, just last?

Yep- we need more Winstons, fewer Wards. . .

310 jhrhv  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 7:47:22pm

re: #292 Kenneth

Yeah and they are all starving too. If it wasn't for the money it takes to buy guns and ammo they'd have nothing at all.

311 DisturbedEma  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 7:49:07pm

re: #310 jhrhv

Yeah and they are all starving too. If it wasn't for the money it takes to buy guns and ammo they'd have nothing at all.

So- how do you blow up food and stuff that is supposed to be in short supply. . .

remember how the humanitarian crisis was so bad no food for the kids. . .until a UN building being used as cover for terror was hit. . .they it was 'hey, you blew up our food"

312 DisturbedEma  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 7:49:51pm

re: #307 Kenneth

That's only the half of it. There are shockingly high rates of incest, inlaw rape, sodomy of boys since women aren't available, bestiality, and the curious practice of mothers masturbating their young boys to 'soothe' them.

ewwwwwwwwwww

313 CofactorMatrix  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 7:50:15pm

re: #297 Kenneth

Excellent, thanks.

And goodnight -- have to go do an all-nighter.

314 Kenneth  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 7:50:32pm

re: #296 Outrider

The Wahhabis were started in the 18th century. Qatb was a founder of the Muslim Brotherhood, the fountainhead of Hamas, Islamic Jihad and Al Qaeda.

315 [deleted]  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 7:51:40pm
316 jhrhv  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 7:53:43pm

re: #311 DisturbedEma

UN building being used as cover for terror was hit. .

/Fixed

317 Kenneth  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 7:54:45pm

re: #304 Outrider

It's deeper than that. A woman is considered a vessel of the family honor. If that vessel has been contaminated by being raped, or looked at, or gossiped about, then the family honor has been insulted. The only way to restore the family honor is to cleanse the vessel. This cleansing is done, naturally, by killing the woman. Her death is considered an honorable act which redeems the lost honor.

318 WriterMom  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 7:56:06pm

re: #303 Kenneth

Well, I have more work horror stories to tell you about..plus a special program on Feb. 7th in the evening to mail you about. You and wifeee are invited. More details on Monday.

319 WriterMom  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 7:57:30pm

re: #307 Kenneth

It's so fucking sick.

320 Kenneth  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 7:58:07pm

re: #312 DisturbedEma

read the link I posted up-thread. If you have the stomach for it. There are about 12 essays in the series, well worth bookmarking. It explains why the 9-11 hijackers all wore 7 pairs of white underwear and many more sexy tips for jihadis!

321 WriterMom  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 7:58:46pm

Nighty night.

322 Outrider  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 7:59:22pm

re: #310 jhrhv

Yeah and they are all starving too. If it wasn't for the money it takes to buy guns and ammo they'd have nothing at all.

if the folks in Gaza and the west Bank would knock off their victim mentality and concentrate on actually producing something and doing something they could actually achieve a good standard of living. that whole coast line could become one hell of a beach front resort. they could be rolling in cash.

323 Kenneth  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 8:00:18pm

re: #318 WriterMom

I always enjoy your horror stories.

324 Outrider  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 8:01:44pm

re: #314 Kenneth

The Wahhabis were started in the 18th century. Qatb was a founder of the Muslim Brotherhood, the fountainhead of Hamas, Islamic Jihad and Al Qaeda.

you're right. I confluxed the two. ;-)>

325 wiffersnapper  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 8:02:33pm

Jihad, do it for the kids.

326 Outrider  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 8:03:10pm

re: #315 taxfreekiller

have a good fish dinner?

327 Kenneth  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 8:07:28pm

re: #324 Outrider

It happens to us all. Today the Wahhabis (al Qaeda) and the Muslim Brotherhood are competitors or rivals for the lead among the faithful. Hamas is a local operation for the MB. Al Qaeda thinks the MB is not pure enough or extreme enough in their violence. But they are not enemies. They have the same goals and have worked together on specific projects. Just as the Shia Iranians have worked with Sunni extremists like Hamas. One thing to be sure, none of them are our allies.

328 Outrider  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 8:09:03pm

re: #327 Kenneth

It happens to us all. Today the Wahhabis (al Qaeda) and the Muslim Brotherhood are competitors or rivals for the lead among the faithful. Hamas is a local operation for the MB. Al Qaeda thinks the MB is not pure enough or extreme enough in their violence. But they are not enemies. They have the same goals and have worked together on specific projects. Just as the Shia Iranians have worked with Sunni extremists like Hamas. One thing to be sure, none of them are our allies.

no, the best we can hope for with them, is to encourage them to kill each other off; like we did to Iran and Iraq awhile back. ;-)>

they are diametrically opposed to each other in so many ways.

329 Wm T Sherman  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 8:12:05pm
233 Kenneth

Stunning data! In Saudi Arabia & Pakistan, 50% of all marriages are consanguineous, between first cousins. Inbreeding is endemic


If I read the site correctly, the majority of consanguinous marriages worldwide are between first cousins, but the data shown includes second cousin marriages as well. A minor point.

I originally got curious about the global incidence of inbreeding when some Muslim on a (Muslim) internet forum sneered at me that Americans are "inbred hillbillies." Maybe he got that zinger out of some pamphlet, I don't know. Anyway, upon searching, I stumbled across consang.net. As it turns out, the U.S. has one of the lowest rates in the world. Given the nature of this country (mobility, immigration, intermarriage), I don't think it could be otherwise. On the other hand, I was shocked that a rate like 50% could exist anywhere.

After I posted a link to consang.net on the forum, I did not get a response from that person, for some reason.

The irony.

330 J.S.  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 8:19:14pm

There are a number of posts on this thread which I have a problem with. I just wish to register my opposition to "genetics" being used to somehow "explain" human behavior. (if anyone seriously means to claim that "genetics" is somehow "inbred" and thus is a causative factor in violence -- well, then, you're repeating precisely what was claimed by Adolf and "friends" -- and including, so I hear, Bill Moyers.) I also object to the confusion with respect to psychiatric problems, such as psychosis and linking a psychiatric diagnosis with a) violence b) genetics. disgusting.

331 Wm T Sherman  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 8:19:57pm

Marriages between uncles and nieces are included as well. Perhaps more of a factor in Arab countries.

332 J.S.  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 8:20:49pm

re: #331 Wm T Sherman

You're misreading your link -- unless of course you're referring to Jews.

333 Wm T Sherman  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 8:21:17pm

I don't think that genetics is a major contribution. I explained the libel that motivated me to look it up.

334 Sharmuta  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 8:22:12pm

re: #330 J.S.

Did you ding those comments down?

335 J.S.  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 8:23:25pm

re: #334 Sharmuta

No I did not (i did, however, feel like "reporting" them -- but then, that would include far too many, etc.)

336 J.S.  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 8:24:30pm

I think I need to take a time out here (blood pressue's up).

337 Sharmuta  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 8:25:14pm

re: #335 J.S.

But that's one of the reasons the rating system is here (as well as the report button).

338 [deleted]  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 8:25:36pm
339 Wm T Sherman  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 8:28:57pm
332 J.S.

re: #331 Wm T Sherman

You're misreading your link -- unless of course you're referring to Jews.


Jews? Explain?

Anyway:

Future prospects
Irrespective of prevailing legislation, a future decline in the prevalence of consanguineous unions can be predicted, accompanying the expected reduction in family sizes. It seems probable that this decline will not be uniform in effect across populations but will be mainly observed in urbanized populations and among couples who share higher educational standards and later ages at marriage. The specific type of consanguineous union contracted may also prove to be an important determining factor. As family sizes reduce, double first cousin and uncle-niece marriages in particular will become increasingly difficult to arrange within the accepted norms of spousal age difference at marriage. At the same time, there may be lesser emphasis placed on the requirement to marry within the prescribed consanguineous marriage pattern, for example, mother's brother's daughter in southern India, in order to ensure that a marriage within the family can be contracted.


[Link: www.consang.net...]

340 Kenneth  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 8:31:56pm

re: #330 J.S.

That was in no way the point I was making, nor did I see anybody else write that. You are conflating two distinct conversations in this thread: the problem of consanguinity and the psychology of the Arab mind.

The medical problems caused by inbreeding are real. There are cultural norms which favor inbreeding in these societies. These norms are part of the wider cultural pathologies which manifest in a variety of dysfunctional practices including honor killings, incest, and rape.

I would say, if there is any cause & effect relationship, that the high rates of inbreeding are a consequence of the cultural pathology, not the other way around, as you asserted in objection.

It so happens that the people raised in such societies are also the same people who are responsible for more 90% of all terrorist attacks in the world.

341 Kenneth  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 8:35:57pm

re: #335 J.S.

I encourage you to re-read my posts, because if you are comparing my ideas to Hitler's you sadly misunderstood what I wrote.

342 Ayeless in Ghazi  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 8:36:11pm

Hideous.

You know that saying of Muhammeds about how when one person dies, it is as if the whole world dies? It's usually used as an Islamic apologetic showing the supposed humanity of Islam, but a few days ago I read a statement by an Islamist in which he used it to glorify the killing of a single Jew; the idea being that the killing of a single Jew is like the genocide of the entire Jewish people to Allah and therefore all the more pleasing to him.

343 Wm T Sherman  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 8:36:26pm

J.S. does have a point, though. We don't have scientific evidence of a link between the consanguinity rate and actual measurable consequences in terms of human behavior.

All we have is food for thought:

Youtube Video
344 [deleted]  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 8:40:14pm
345 Kenneth  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 8:41:03pm

re: #343 Wm T Sherman

JS's point is based upon a total misunderstanding of what we wrote. Nobody said that consanguinity caused the cultural dysfunctions including the jihadi violence. What we wrote was that the whole set of cultural dysfunctions which includes inbreeding also includes misogyny and jihad. The inbreeding is an effect, not a cause, of the problem.

346 deermusic  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 8:41:32pm

I just dropped in so although this is related to the original thread, by now it may be OT. An excellent (IMO) video was posted at Youtube by idfnadesk. In Arabic with English subtitles, it's a message to the people of Gaza.

Youtube Video
347 Kenneth  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 8:43:19pm

re: #344 ploome hineni

very interesting... very accurate description. I have known several Muslims males & they are all very defensive to the point of prickly on the topic of their mothers.

348 [deleted]  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 8:45:07pm
349 [deleted]  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 8:46:25pm
350 Wm T Sherman  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 8:49:28pm
345 Kenneth

re: #343 Wm T Sherman

JS's point is based upon a total misunderstanding of what we wrote. Nobody said that consanguinity caused the cultural dysfunctions including the jihadi violence. What we wrote was that the whole set of cultural dysfunctions which includes inbreeding also includes misogyny and jihad. The inbreeding is an effect, not a cause, of the problem.

Yes.

It results in birth defects and various otherwise rare medical syndromes.

Anyway, if I have been flippant, it is because I am still cheesed off about being called an inbred hillbilly by a Muslim. His buddies yucked it up and joined in. It was my microscopic triumph over them, like Capt. Queeg and The Cheese Investigation.

351 Ayeless in Ghazi  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 8:52:22pm

The sickness of Hamas culture is explained by memes not genes.

352 neomexicon  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 8:53:10pm

the only part of the child that they don't use is the squeal.

353 [deleted]  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 8:54:11pm
354 [deleted]  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 8:55:23pm
355 Kenneth  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 8:57:27pm

re: #353 ploome hineni

Excellent post! You mean the best lines in the Koran were plagiarized from the Talmud? Ironic, aint it?

356 stevieray  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 9:03:32pm

re: #314 Kenneth

The Wahhabis were started in the 18th century. Qatb was a founder of the Muslim Brotherhood, the fountainhead of Hamas, Islamic Jihad and Al Qaeda.

Minor point: Sayyid Qutb wasn't a founder of the Muslim Brotherhood. He was adopted by, and helped to re-invigorate, a pre-existing organization.

Qutb's writings date from the 1950s and 60s... the MB was founded in 1920 - 1928... different sources cite different dates.

357 [deleted]  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 9:05:17pm
358 Kenneth  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 9:05:32pm

re: #356 stevieray

Good point. Thank you for the correction.

359 Ayeless in Ghazi  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 9:10:03pm

re: #348 ploome hineni

I suppose it could be argued that this example of what was taught to the Jews was also meant to apply to muslims, but the next verse is:

5:33 The only reward of those who make war upon Allah and His messenger and strive after corruption in the land will be that they will be killed or crucified, or have their hands and feet on alternate sides cut off, or will be expelled out of the land. Such will be their degradation in the world, and in the Hereafter theirs will be an awful doom;

Which destroys the idea of universal humanitarian concern about killing per se that one might have been tempted to take from the previous verse.

360 So?  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 9:23:46pm

re: #1 Killgore Trout

Make a copy. This one will disappear.

I sent it to Drudge, doubt he'll post it.

361 Ayeless in Ghazi  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 9:32:49pm

If only the overriding human instinct had always been to tell people who claimed to have just had a chat with God to go fuck themselves, instead of swallowing their bullshit, we wouldn't be in the mess we are in today. Unfortunately social groups who fell behind the 'prophets' in this way and accepted the licence given to them to abuse those outside that group for their own benefit were often very successful in their aims.

362 Bob Dillon  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 9:42:23pm

re: #344 ploome hineni

I read an article, that I did not bookmark, and cannot find again

essentially, they described the muslim family,where the strongest bond the mother has is with her son...who as a man will protect her

because her realtionship with her husband is based on the husbands' whim and her submission to him

her husband can divorce her in a minute, and/or take other wives -without her knowlege-and she could be left in the street, if not for her son

so she does everything to ensure his love and support for her

it is very Oedipal

In my experience living, working and teaching Muslims in Indonesia and Malaysia - you have nailed a core reality.

I hadn't thot much of it till now - mother-son relationships were profoundly close in every family I interacted with.

363 SillyAllah  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 9:49:54pm

re: #353 ploome hineni

Hey thanks for that one. I was aware of the Quran verse, but not aware of the Talmudic source.

364 [deleted]  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 9:52:07pm
365 So?  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 9:54:40pm

The whole world is watching...

...and doing SFA.

366 [deleted]  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 10:11:11pm
367 [deleted]  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 10:15:17pm
368 Ayeless in Ghazi  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 10:24:49pm

re: #364 ploome hineni

Well, here's my broad brush take on this whole sorry mess.

Judaism contributed the idea of a chosen people, favoured by God, to whom licence is given to usurp the unfavoured outsiders.

Christianity added the impulse to convert everyone.

Islam added the concept of holy war to achieve that.

To which I can only say : Thank you, 'prophets' - you really made the world a better place, didn't you?

369 [deleted]  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 10:39:51pm
370 [deleted]  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 10:49:15pm
371 Ayeless in Ghazi  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 11:31:22pm

re: #369 ploome hineni

AND you say

"to whom licence is given to usurp the unfavoured outsiders."

who told you this shit?

First five chapters of the Bible, which I have just finished reading. That's really all it's about. I'm God, I've made a contract with you, you can kick those other people's ass - and you'll get all their land and your generations will be as grains of sand on the beach etc etc.

But yes, you are correct that Jews do not proselytise, or go on the warpath to conquer and expand across the world. I have no interest whatever in vilifying Judaism, and I am well aware that other religions have similar problematic features, and indeed that Islam is far worse - I'm just being honest about what I see in the scriptures.

372 tradewind  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 11:37:39pm

...and they end up as spatters.
I will never be able to understand the cowardice and depravity that moves a collection of supposedly- human beings to use innocent children and women as shields and pawns.

373 SpiritOf1683  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 2:40:25am

re: #372 tradewind

...and they end up as spatters.
I will never be able to understand the cowardice and depravity that moves a collection of supposedly- human beings to use innocent children and women as shields and pawns.


The problem is - the women and children aren't innocent. Women are brood sows who pop out future terrorists whilst the kids themselves are future terrorists. Did we see German and Japanese women and children as 'innocent' 65 years ago?

374 PelenTan  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 7:07:55am

Just a couple things about the video I noticed beyond the obvious.

1) The ambulance shown; I was able to read that it was an Ambulance. Which means two things. One, it was written in English. There appeared to be some Arabic witting as well, but it was really tiny. Two, it wasn't written backwards like it is on most ambulances so that it can be read in the rear-view mirror. Could be nothing, but that was a mistake Hollywood used to make and the ambulance at the end looked to be done correctly.

2) Are Arabs different genetically in that they can absorb oxygen through their stomach? Because the "doctor" that was supposedly giving resuscitation had the child's head tilted toward the chest which would have ensured that was the only place the air was going.

Just some thoughts.

Michael

375 onlinegangsta  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 8:11:30am

Maybe it's me but when I watch any of those Paleo videos (or actually any of the "resistance" vids)....

It's like hearing... " mmmerrr arghhhhhh grunntttt blechhhhhhhh ALLAH ACKBAR ALLAH ACKBAR groannnnnnnn blechhhhhhhh hackkkkkkkk".

Of course my translation can be a bit off.

376 infidel4ever  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 8:48:51am

And the purpose of this video is to make me feel sorry for the poor "Palestinians"? Really?

Pick something/somebody obviously dead up from the street, put it/him in a blanket and run to the ambulance. Why run? What's the hurry? Oh, running is more dramatic, I see.

Would anybody in his right mind really carry a wounded/dead baby like that, lifting it in the air like a trophy? I would think you would instinctively cradle it in your arms, to protect it from the hysterical crowd if nothing else. Oh wait, then the camera does not see what you are carrying. Silly me.

If those Pallywooders want my sympathy they better stop with the Alahu Akhbar. That's a real turn-off, guys.

377 JustABill  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 10:25:24am

re: #132 Marvo76

Camera time? Seriously, they don't even aim, just point in the general direction.....sad.... Hell, if they even took time to aim some of their bigger stuff they might score a lucky hit, they are just clowns running round the circus, trying to get the lions to eat the monkeys....

Aiming is unnecessary. If it is the will of Allah the round will score a hit. If it is not, no amount of aiming will be useful. This philosophy goes a long way to explaining a lot of whats wrong with the region. If only the will of Allah determines the success of your actions, why put forth any real effort into anything?

378 notutopia  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 1:23:02pm

What Islam Is NOT
Islam revolves around a psychopathic child molester and mass-murderer. They are like one really big Manson family when you get right down to it.

[Link: transsylvaniaphoenix.blogspot.com...]

379 chouch  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 4:44:38pm

@376

Thank you. That was exactly what I was wondering.

Aren't most funerals in Israel very solemn and private? I don't see Jews parading around their dead or in angry mobs screaming and wailing into an open hole in the ground.

Its just sick.


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