what amazes me is how it keeps floating down the river.

next stop, staten Island

help came so fast i just love watching it

And that, is how we do that...

As pretty as you please.

Looked like a smooth landing.

re: #1 Shug

what amazes me is how it keeps floating down the river.

next stop, staten Island

And how fast the current is, watch the plane relative to the far shore. It's moving right along.

That looks too small to be airliner, are you sure it wasn't a missile?

/luap nor mode off.

The more we see of this, it was not a crash, but a perfectly executed ditch. I am awed by Capt. Sullengerger's mad skillz.

re: #5 MandyManners

Looked like a smooth landing.

The NTSB briefing earlier the cabin crew at first thought it was a hard landing at an airport, not a ditching.

The pilot--an example of the "best and the brightest".

That nose was held up perfectly.

re: #8 Alouette

The more we see of this, it was not a crash, but a perfectly executed ditch. I am awed by Capt. Sullenberger's mad skillz.

PIMF

re: #9 jcm

The NTSB briefing earlier the cabin crew at first thought it was a hard landing at an airport, not a ditching.

I wonder how many cases of PTSD will develop.

re: #11 MandyManners

That nose was held up perfectly.

Why bring Obama into this?
/;-)

Hey Geese, get the Flock out

This article also has a longer version of the video shown above

re: #13 MandyManners

I wonder how many cases of PTSD will develop.

I must be dense. I'd ask when was the next flight, and how long do they think it will be for they forward my luggage.

Who, or what was that we see being thrown back into the water? A flying Imam?

re: #8 Alouette

I was about to say the same thing. Looks like a typical glider landing smooth, nose up, and just perfect. I would have been proud of a landing like that back in my day.

re: #13 MandyManners

I wonder how many cases of PTSD will develop.

I already have it, and I wasn't even on the plane!

Young Reine is signed up to take at trip to Europe this summer with a school group - I'm about ready to cancel it. But I won't.

The joke in these part is:

The pilot had two choices: Newark or the river. He took the most agreeable option.

re: #13 MandyManners

I wonder how many cases of PTSD will develop.

Depends on the quality of the lawyers.

I hope Mr. Sullenberger makes a mint from this episode. True heroism and professionalism should be rewarded on a scale that's on a par of say, Britney Spears or Snoop Dog.

OT - Bill Faith passed away. (www.oldwardogs.com). Bill was a friend - he got me into blogging the first time around, and linked often to the blog I currently have. More importantly, he faithfully sent emails to me during my husband's deployment to check on him, and check on me. He would talk horse with me, I know now it was to keep my mind off of what was happening over there. He sent emails to my husband as well, just to let him know he had support back home. He loved his grandchildren, and even when he didn't feel well, he would be positive.

I feel like the wind has been knocked out of me.

re: #17 gruvin

Who, or what was that we see being thrown back into the water? A flying Imam?

Ya know, in this country, not even a flying imam would be tossed into the water. Those good people would have given him as much help as they gave everybody else.

I saw something in an earlier video that I thought was a raft, or maybe a life-jacket, or gosh, maybe even one of the airplane's "flotation devices" (seat cushion).

I still can't believe they sent Carl Rove to New York to unleash a flock of birds like that in order to force the upcoming president into a War on Pigeons.

re: #23 ArmyWife

I am so sorry. My thoughts and prayers are with his family and his friends.

re: #20 experiencedtraveller

The joke in these part is:

The pilot had two choices: Newark or the river. He took the most agreeable option.

Where do US Airways passengers clean up?
They wash ashore.

re: #22 MrPaulRevere

He's got his own air safety consulting business. I'm guessing business will be, shall we say, brisk.

Crash scene investigators have so far recovered 9 bodies, though none of them were from the airplanere: #20 experiencedtraveller

The joke in these part is:

The pilot had two choices: Newark or the river. He took the most agreeable option.

Crash scene investigators have so far recovered 9 bodies, though none of them were actually on the airplane

re: #5 MandyManners

Mandy -

"SULLY" is a PROFESSIONAL PILOT, Hashem allowed a break in Hudson River traffic to allow him to land as he did. What MORE need you or I to know?

-S-

re: #29 Shug

That is a funny joke.

Watching North By Northwest. On PBS. If I didn't know better, I'd swear Cary Grant looks better in a suit than me.

re: #5 MandyManners

Looked like a smooth landing.

So smooth, in fact, that I create a bigger wave when I jump in a river, and I'm not a wide body.

re: #15 Shug

Hey Geese, get the Flock out

This article also has a longer version of the video shown above

Why don't Americans like goose meat? I have never tried it, but my husband once had roast goose at a Hungarian restaurant in Israel, he said it was awesomely delicious.

re: #31 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

That is a funny joke.

Watching North By Northwest. On PBS. If I didn't know better, I'd swear Cary Grant looks better in a suit than me.

Brace yourself. He does. And Eva Maria Saint looks better than I do in whatever she is wearing.

Hollywood don't like ugly.

re: #33 Alouette

Why don't Americans like goose meat? .

There is something so un-American about Goose McNuggets

re: #33 Alouette

I saw a goose for sale at the Super Fresh (chain grocery store) for $80.00 two Thanksgivings ago. No one bought it, so I snapped it up for $20.00 as a "meat manager's special". Maybe the price is off-putting to non-wing shooters.

re: #33 Alouette

Why don't Americans like goose meat? I have never tried it, but my husband once had roast goose at a Hungarian restaurant in Israel, he said it was awesomely delicious.

I do...roast goose is mighty tasty especially with a stuffing a little on the sweeter side...with raisons or cranberries or whatever...no white meat tho for all you breast heads

re: #36 Pigtown Water Dog

I mean, maybe they didn't know what to do with the goose. Geez...I need coffee!

Did anyone else hear that there has not been an air travel death in 2 years? A record IIRC.
Ya think we would of heard about it in a Dem. administration?

So . . . has this now replaced the Gaza Rooster as our evening viewing?

re: #17 gruvin

Who, or what was that we see being thrown back into the water? A flying Imam?

Maybe the door? The exit door gets thrown out the opening after removing it. I heard one of the passengers who was asked how well the emergency exits had functioned. .He commended the passenger who removed one of the exit doors, ( I forget which side) and did mention that he gotten the door off easily, but had a bit of trouble getting it back thru the opening to throw it out.

re: #39 n in wi

Is it true that they will drag you off of Disney property before you are able to die if you are in an accident? Keeps the fatalities low?

Probably an urban myth.

That is an awesome job of getting it right first time- too nose-high, tail breaks off, it probably sinks like a rock. Nose down, bow wave pushes it under, and sinks. Beautiful!

re: #40 reine.de.tout

So . . . has this now replaced the Gaza Rooster as our evening viewing?

Still the entry point road...

Textbook job
Lizards know I do Red Cross. This was a good moment for everyone, for the best of reasons. Everyone participated, the Red Cross, the NYPD, the NYFD, the Coast Guard, and other State and Federal. To a man or woman they all had the same reaction, this was great and not only because everyone got to play and some of them got overtime pay. They were all thrilled because they could be seen helping and nobody died. That was what made it such a high.

We celebrate life.

re: #27 jcm

Where do US Airways passengers clean up?
They wash ashore.

I see you're still in the swim of things.

re: #42 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Is it true that they will drag you off of Disney property before you are able to die if you are in an accident? Keeps the fatalities low?

Probably an urban myth.

I put nothing past Disney. But since I would not want to die in the Happiest Place on Earth, I don't think I'd mind being rushed away...how can a person die in a dignified way with people dressed as Goofy and Donald Duck hovering over them?

Today at 4:15 on Progressive Talk Radio in L.A., the host Johnny Wendell suggested that listeners send their old shoes to friends in Dallas so they could throw a shoe at Bush the next time they saw him.

A little later a caller suggested that the shoes should be turned into a work of art. Wendell thought Dailey Plaza would be a good location for the sculpture then added, "Hey Bush, you're next."

Progressive Talk Radio.

Can you imagine that if when they were taking off someone had said to them that in fifteen or twenty minutes they will all be standing on 42nd Avenue with wet feet? I have never seen anything like that in my whole life.Those people truly had an angel on their shoulders that day.

re: #40 reine.de.tout

So . . . has this now replaced the Gaza Rooster as our evening viewing?

I can't find a working Gaza webcam link.

re: #33 Alouette

Alouette -

For what it is worth - which is about nothing - I am, and have been no longer on the Acer 7720. A Six Year Old screwed that Pooch (MySpace of course) - MY BAD. Am on, and have been on Acer 6920 replacement for a couple of weeks. A 6930 would have been better - AND - when you need, you get what you can get. That is (EMBARRASSINGLY!) all.

-S-

Just the most amazing landing. And by all news reports, the pilots seems utterly blase--as though you lose both engines and have to bring down a passenger plane in a river every so often, no biggie...

re: #50 pre-Boomer Marine brat

I can't find a working Gaza webcam link.

See this and check the links.

I'm so dense, it took me a little bit of time to sort of figure it out.

Interesting discussion on the difficulty of obtaining kosher goose meat

I have heard that the Canada goose is a different species than the European goose and therefore not kosher, since Jews have no tradition of eating it. But apart from the question of whether this goose is kosher or not, goose doesn't seem to be popular among non-Jews either.

Am I correct in assuming that this is a pest bird, but not a game bird?

re: #53 reine.de.tout

See this and check the links.

I'm so dense, it took me a little bit of time to sort of figure it out.

Thanks. I'll do it.

re: #47 SanFranciscoZionist

I put nothing past Disney. But since I would not want to die in the Happiest Place on Earth, I don't think I'd mind being rushed away...how can a person die in a dignified way with people dressed as Goofy and Donald Duck hovering over them?

really...at least Snow White could do the last rites...then be palled away by Sleepy and Sneezy and Grumpy and Doc...show some class

What a showoff. ;o)

Looking at it(just saw the first piece on Breitbart tv...these are better)
you feel Heck, this pilot could do this every day and twice on Sunday.

re: #48 HelloDare

Today at 4:15 on Progressive Talk Radio in L.A., the host Johnny Wendell suggested that listeners send their old shoes to friends in Dallas so they could throw a shoe at Bush the next time they saw him.

A little later a caller suggested that the shoes should be turned into a work of art. Wendell thought Dailey Plaza would be a good location for the sculpture then added, "Hey Bush, you're next."

Progressive Talk Radio.

If he said the same thing about Obama he'd be in a jail cell.

re: #54 Alouette

Didn't they outlaw goose liver in Chicago for a while? I totally agreed with that. Guess you knew that.

re: #54 Alouette

Interesting discussion on the difficulty of obtaining kosher goose meat

I have heard that the Canada goose is a different species than the European goose and therefore not kosher, since Jews have no tradition of eating it. But apart from the question of whether this goose is kosher or not, goose doesn't seem to be popular among non-Jews either.

Am I correct in assuming that this is a pest bird, but not a game bird?

Protected by MIgratory Birds Treaty.

re: #59 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Didn't they outlaw goose liver in Chicago for a while? I totally agreed with that. Guess you knew that.

They outlawed goose liver that is obtained by force-feeding the goose, which is a standard practice in France.

Cary Grant reeeally wears a suit well. I have a total man crush on him.

re: #57 claspur

What a showoff. ;o)

Looking at it(just saw the first piece on Breitbart tv...these are better)
you feel Heck, this pilot could do this every day and twice on Sunday.

maybe he flies float planes...got to have the pontoons at just the right angle when you get wet...

#48:

But we're the "haters" don't you know? Rush, Vannity, Ingraham, they are the ones guilty of "hate speech", don't you know. Seriously, how many right wing radio hosts ever encouraged physical assault on a democrat?

re: #60 lifeofthemind

Protected by MIgratory Birds Treaty.

But they don't migrate, they just squat around all year long.

re: #61 Alouette

They outlawed goose liver that is obtained by force-feeding the goose, which is a standard practice in France.

They should Clone Oprah winfrey as a goose. No need to force feet it

re: #58 Alouette

If he said the same thing about Obama he'd be in a jail cell.

I called the Secret Service here in L.A. and reported him.

re: #54 Alouette

Interesting discussion on the difficulty of obtaining kosher goose meat

I have heard that the Canada goose is a different species than the European goose and therefore not kosher, since Jews have no tradition of eating it. But apart from the question of whether this goose is kosher or not, goose doesn't seem to be popular among non-Jews either.

Am I correct in assuming that this is a pest bird, but not a game bird?

Alouette -

YUP - The Canada Goose is MORE POOP, and less edible meat. Looks like a PEST to me. Go from there.

-S-

re: #61 Alouette

They outlawed goose liver that is obtained by force-feeding the goose, which is a standard practice in France.

That is just wrong.

If they found out that steaks were more tender if you hung cows alive by their nostrils while searing their udders with hot knitting needles, some guy would be chief "nostril hooker" and "titty burner".

re: #63 albusteve

maybe he flies float planes...got to have the pontoons at just the right angle when you get wet...

Can't wait to see the guy making the talkshows. Havn't seen him live on tv yet.

re: #53 reine.de.tout

See this and check the links.

I'm so dense, it took me a little bit of time to sort of figure it out.

Is that implying that the Ramattan webcams have probably been shut down by Hamas?

re: #63 albusteve

maybe he flies float planes...got to have the pontoons at just the right angle when you get wet...

He is a certified glider pilot.

re: #70 claspur

Can't wait to see the guy making the talkshows. Havn't seen him live on tv yet.

do they still make cheesy made-for-TV movies?

It would be a great movie of the week.

re: #69 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

That is just wrong.

If they found out that steaks were more tender if you hung cows alive by their nostrils while searing their udders with hot knitting needles, some guy would be chief "nostril hooker" and "titty burner".

speaking for the goose it is wildly inhumane...but it's that important to many people to eat rare expensive foods regardless...you know the type...I can live without it easy enough...

re: #73 Shug

Airplane #13? *snick

re: #61 Alouette

They outlawed goose liver that is obtained by force-feeding the goose, which is a standard practice in France.

In Germany, they follow a strict set of rules, goose-step by step.
;O

re: #70 claspur

Can't wait to see the guy making the talkshows. Havn't seen him live on tv yet.

he's probably...just a guy!...surprise!

What I wonder about is, did the pilot see an empty stretch of water and direct the plane to it, or was he just lucky that there weren't any tugboats et cetera in the only place he was really able to "land". BTW the dimensions of the A320 are 123' length by 112' wingspan.

In any case, looking at that video reminds me that when I get on an airplane I don't want any affirmative action hires at the controls. I want Captain Sullenberger.

re: #73 Shug

do they still make cheesy made-for-TV movies?

It would be a great movie of the week.

It would be utterly boring except for the last 3½ minutes.

re: #70 claspur

Can't wait to see the guy making the talkshows. Havn't seen him live on tv yet.

NTSB is stil debriefing the crew. Wait till they are done. Who gets him first?
Oprah?
Larry King?

re: #77 albusteve

From what I've heard he's in his 60's ...Vietnam era F-4 pilot.

re: #71 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Is that implying that the Ramattan webcams have probably been shut down by Hamas?

I thought the implication was that Fatah shut them down.

Capt. "Sully" USAF. A true professional,

re: #80 jcm

NTSB is stil debriefing the crew. Wait till they are done. Who gets him first?
Oprah?
Larry King?

he's being fitted for his halo I hear...

re: #65 Alouette

But they don't migrate, they just squat around all year long.

Blame Canada
Trust me, you'll feel better

As for the squatting, that is a valuable natural biodegradeable resource they are contributing to the environment. Even though it never does seem to degrade and a flock of them can be mean enough to kill if provoked. When we had SpecWeaps in storage in Germany the bunkers were guarded by geese. Louder and meaner than dogs. Geese once saved Rome from the invading Gauls. The whole paté thing is probably payback.

re: #71 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Is that implying that the Ramattan webcams have probably been shut down by Hamas?

It is confusing, I had to read thru several times.

re: #79 Alouette

It would be utterly boring except for the last 3½ minutes.

A good one would go into the lives of the pilot, the crew, passengers and rescue crews.

re: #80 jcm

David Letterman? Good God... NOOOooo!

re: #80 jcm

NTSB is stil debriefing the crew. Wait till they are done. Who gets him first?
Oprah?
Larry King?

the Today Show has the pilot Monday..

re: #78 TheMole

What I wonder about is, did the pilot see an empty stretch of water and direct the plane to it, or was he just lucky that there weren't any tugboats et cetera in the only place he was really able to "land". BTW the dimensions of the A320 are 123' length by 112' wingspan.

In any case, looking at that video reminds me that when I get on an airplane I don't want any affirmative action hires at the controls. I want Captain Sullenberger.

He was limited in his options, but he did pick and empty stretch of water. He would have control over the exact touch down point and run out direction.

re: #69 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

That is just wrong.

If they found out that steaks were more tender if you hung cows alive by their nostrils while searing their udders with hot knitting needles, some guy would be chief "nostril hooker" and "titty burner".

Hey it's a job and times are hard.

re: #81 claspur

From what I've heard he's in his 60's ...Vietnam era F-4 pilot.

20,000 hours total air time.

re: #85 lifeofthemind

Blame Canada
Trust me, you'll feel better

As for the squatting, that is a valuable natural biodegradeable resource they are contributing to the environment. Even though it never does seem to degrade and a flock of them can be mean enough to kill if provoked. When we had SpecWeaps in storage in Germany the bunkers were guarded by geese. Louder and meaner than dogs. Geese once saved Rome from the invading Gauls. The whole paté thing is probably payback.

I thought it was Ghengis Khan.

re: #92 jcm

Yup... 6 years+

Actually, that would be Splash Landing.

Lot's of good people involved in this whole situation; Crew, Passengers, Rescuers.

re: #75 claspur

Airplane #13? *snick

with the usual movie of the week cast.

Gerald Mcraney or Corbin Bernsen as Sully

and a cast that could be in any weekly Love Boat episode

re: #80 jcm

NTSB is stil debriefing the crew. Wait till they are done. Who gets him first?
Oprah?
Larry King?

Not if he turns out to be a Republican

That, my friends, was a fucking gorgeous landing.. As a student pilot, I am in absolute awe!

re: #84 albusteve

he's being fitted for his halo I hear...

No, he's a Vietnam-era fighter pilot. Give the MSM a few days and they'll start talking about the school he bombed.

/I wish I was kidding

Can't wait to see the guy making the talk shows. Haven't seen him live on TV yet.

I've got a feeling that won't happen. This guy seems to be very much a professional in action and word and will not be inclined to self-promote himself at the hands of the media gadflies. He cannot speak now because of the investigation. (A book later? --- Maybe but probably mostly at the urging of family and friends for him to cash in on the incident while he has the chance.)

You can always tell the "true" hero as they refuse the label with a shrug and a "I just did what had to be done".

re: #82 reine.de.tout

So if Fatah shut them down, does that mean Fatah is back in Gaza?

re: #96 Shug

with the usual movie of the week cast.

Gerald Mcraney or Corbin Bernsen as Sully

and a cast that could be in any weekly Love Boat episode

William H. Macy as Sully.

re: #100 jcw46
see my 89..

re: #81 claspur

From what I've heard he's in his 60's ...Vietnam era F-4 pilot.

I heard he was 57.

My husband works offshore and flies out to a rig every two weeks, and back to land after working two weeks.

He told me that their best chopper pilots are the ones who are Vietnam-era veterans.

They are retiring at an alarming rate; and he told me he's not sure the newer pilots know what they're doing.

It's the bi-plane part (N by NW, btw) He dives face down in the dirt in the gorgeous gray suit. Doesn't even loosen his tie.

re: #98 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

That, my friends, was a fucking gorgeous landing.. As a student pilot, I am in absolute awe!

Now, don't go trying that at home, Pulch Pat!

re: #69 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

That is just wrong.

If they found out that steaks were more tender if you hung cows alive by their nostrils while searing their udders with hot knitting needles, some guy would be chief "nostril hooker" and "titty burner".

Only in France.

No matter how much they hype it, it is still infintely more safe to fly on a commercial airliner than it is to be on the road to the same destination.

The guys never get the respect they used to.

re: #42 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Is it true that they will drag you off of Disney property before you are able to die if you are in an accident? Keeps the fatalities low?

Probably an urban myth.

It is a myth...Snopes debunked it.

re: #92 jcm

20,000 hours total air time.

not to sound too contrary but this guy had tons of all kinds of experience with all kinds of aircraft...highly skilled and cool as ice...he knew exactly what he was doing and exactly how to do it...he is probably the least surprised when that bird hit the surf just right...no problemo

re: #107 USBeast

Only in France.

They'd probably hire Jon Lovitz.

re: #101 ArmyWife

So if Fatah shut them down, does that mean Fatah is back in Gaza?

Ya know, I'm not sure.

Did you look at the comment I linked to, and then the links posted in that comment?

It was a little bit vague for me, but that's what I took away from the info.

I could be completely wrong in my assessment of what I read.

re: #99 Dark_Falcon

No, he's a Vietnam-era fighter pilot. Give the MSM a few days and they'll start talking about the school he bombed.

/I wish I was kidding

buzzkiller...I hope not..the guy did a sensational job

re: #92 jcm

20,000 hours total air time.

He's 57.

re: #110 albusteve

not to sound too contrary but this guy had tons of all kinds of experience with all kinds of aircraft...highly skilled and cool as ice...he knew exactly what he was doing and exactly how to do it...he is probably the least surprised when that bird hit the surf just right...no problemo

and balls the size of coconuts...

re: #105 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

It's the bi-plane part (N by NW, btw) He dives face down in the dirt in the gorgeous gray suit. Doesn't even loosen his tie.

joo cop a woody?

re: #74 albusteve

speaking for the goose it is wildly inhumane...but it's that important to many people to eat rare expensive foods

Well, I agree with the inhumane part but it's mostly that they seek the taste sensation and being able to say they have had the dish.

Personally I've never liked wild goose. (tasted funny to me) Also the experience of biting into pieces of shot missed in preparation is not a fun thing while eating.

re: #110 albusteve

not to sound too contrary but this guy had tons of all kinds of experience with all kinds of aircraft...highly skilled and cool as ice...he knew exactly what he was doing and exactly how to do it...he is probably the least surprised when that bird hit the surf just right...no problemo

The bird hits surprise him absolutely. But that's when the training and experience kicks in. Do, A... B... C... etc. All the while praying, don't let me screw this up...

This was news to me. The glide ratio of an airliner without power is 18 to 1. The most advanced hang glider is about 16 to 1. An albatross 20 to 1. The airliner does it at a much higher speed and sink rate, of course.

re: #116 albusteve

joo cop a woody?

First, who you callin' a joo?

Second, yes.

re: #54 Alouette

Interesting discussion on the difficulty of obtaining kosher goose meat

I have heard that the Canada goose is a different species than the European goose and therefore not kosher, since Jews have no tradition of eating it. But apart from the question of whether this goose is kosher or not, goose doesn't seem to be popular among non-Jews either.

Am I correct in assuming that this is a pest bird, but not a game bird?

People do hunt them, and the sites I just quickly looked at suggest that they're edible and considered kosher by some authorities, but if they were shot, they wouldn't be kosher anyway...

Goose just isn't a big American food bird. Hard to say why.

re: #106 reine.de.tout

Now, don't go trying that at home, Pulch Pat!

No worries here...at least not out side of the flight simulator. I will, however, have to land without power a few times. We are also taught to pick out at least three emergency landing places as we fly along. It's a given that at anytime during my flight my instructor will say, pick three places to land in an emergency within ten seconds.

It's harder than it sounds.

re: #104 reine.de.tout

Not sure? Savage was talking to this pilot out in California...just caught the last 90 seconds. Thought I heard the pilot say he knew this pilot, and he was over 60. Said he knew he flew F-4 Phantoms and the amout of time he did fly. That was the first I heard anything about the Hudson River pilot.

re: #101 ArmyWife

So if Fatah shut them down, does that mean Fatah is back in Gaza?

Nope. The articles which Render linked to were set in Ramallah, West Bank.

re: #92 jcm

20,000 hours total air time.

Just to put this total in perspective, if an average flight was four hours, that's 5,000 flights, or one day for fifteen years.

re: #124 pre-Boomer Marine brat

I saw that, but the dates were not recent - like the last few days. So I was curious if it was code for "same thing happened in Gaza".

This was another case where a pilot managed to land a plane that was disintegrating. They lost a flight attendant though.

re: #1 Shug

what amazes me is how it keeps floating down the river.

next stop, staten Island

Jet fuel is lighter than water - tanks were full.

re: #65 Alouette

But they don't migrate, they just squat around all year long.

At least some do migrate--at the school I work at, they start showing up in late summer, land in the soccer field, and start eating grass like crazy. By the end of November, they're gone.

OK Lizardim -

SULLY is more or less MY exact age - 57. SULLY graduated the AF Academy in the same year I Graduated fro the FORMER - Upsala College in East Orange, NJ. I - WENT TO LAW SCHOOL - Seton Hall. SULLY went into the Air Force, as a "2 Louie" - SULLY is a HERO - I am NOT. At Best I am a "Cherokee" if you know what I mean. That is all.

-S-

Very, very nice. What a cool dude, that pilot.

re: #119 HelloDare

This was news to me. The glide ratio of an airliner without power is 18 to 1. The most advanced hang glider is about 16 to 1. An albatross 20 to 1. The airliner does it at a much higher speed and sink rate, of course.

The F-4 is something around 5-1 IIRC.

One of the coolest F-4 stories...
Pardo's Push

re: #127 lifeofthemind

This was another case where a pilot managed to land a plane that was disintegrating. They lost a flight attendant though.

[Video]

I remember that one! Can you imagine being one of the poor suckers in the seats that were exposed? Yikes!

re: #126 ArmyWife

I saw that, but the dates were not recent - like the last few days. So I was curious if it was code for "same thing happened in Gaza".

re: #124 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Nope. The articles which Render linked to were set in Ramallah, West Bank.

I'll tell you both the truth - I think Render posted those things for a reason, but I'll be doggoned if I can figure out right now what it was he was trying to tell us.

Maybe it will become clearer in the days ahead.

re: #119 HelloDare

Then you need to read about the Gimli Glider

Now that's a miracle! An old friend from flight school told me about this and I didn't believe it until I read it.

re: #103 joecitizen

Hmm. I guess my estimate could be wrong although the Today show is more a News Show than a talk show. Perhaps he was convinced that he needed an appearance somewhere to make his part of the story known. If he becomes a feature over the next week, I'll be very disappointed. Thanks for the reminder, I did miss your comment before I posted.

re: #128 Bobibutu

Jet fuel is lighter than water - tanks were full.

that plane also had some features, didn't it, that helped with the floating?
Seems like I read that somewhere, just went hunting for the link and couldn't find it where I thought I saw it . . .

re: #114 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

He's 57.

Pilots union has been trying to get the age cap lifted, it is out of date. Would help the Dep't of Defense if pilots felt less pressure to get out and start a civilian career.

re: #126 ArmyWife

I saw that, but the dates were not recent - like the last few days. So I was curious if it was code for "same thing happened in Gaza".

That's what I'm curious about to.

re: #132 jcm

The F-4 is something around 5-1 IIRC.

One of the coolest F-4 stories...
Pardo's Push

Thanks for that story. That is amazing.

re: #137 reine.de.tout

that plane also had some features, didn't it, that helped with the floating?
Seems like I read that somewhere, just went hunting for the link and couldn't find it where I thought I saw it . . .

Ditch Switch, pretty common. Shuts all the valves, intakes etc... that would let water in.

re: #125 solomonpanting

Just to put this total in perspective, if an average flight was four hours, that's 5,000 flights, or one day for fifteen years.

Experience + Good Judgement= A hero who thinks he was just doing his job.

Hello...

re: #137 reine.de.tout

that plane also had some features, didn't it, that helped with the floating?
Seems like I read that somewhere, just went hunting for the link and couldn't find it where I thought I saw it . . .

Airbus planes have a ditch switch. Does that switch seal off compartments?

re: #138 lifeofthemind

I'd like for the Sullys of the world to fly. And spend hours and hours and hours and hours and hours with younger, less experienced pilots.

re: #120 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

First, who you callin' a joo?

Second, yes.

an honest man...salute!

Maybe now my invention will see the light of day.

Nerf Airliners.

Charles:

With all due respect, please stop calling this a "crash". It was a ditching. And, as is obvious from this new video, an excellent one. There's nothing crash-like about it.

re: #104 reine.de.tout

I heard he was 57.

My husband works offshore and flies out to a rig every two weeks, and back to land after working two weeks.

He told me that their best chopper pilots are the ones who are Vietnam-era veterans.

They are retiring at an alarming rate; and he told me he's not sure the newer pilots know what they're doing.

Most of them, I'm sure, are not retiring because they want to, they're being forced to retire by f**king stupid FAA regs that proscribe mandatory commercial pilot retirement at age 60 regardless of physical/mental condition. Why in the hell can't the FAA let commercial pilots fly as long as they are physically and mentally able, instead of forcing out experienced, competent pilots arbitrarily simply on the basis of age?

re: #127 lifeofthemind

This was another case where a pilot managed to land a plane that was disintegrating. They lost a flight attendant though.

[Video]

I remember when that happened!

That was amazing and really really odd.

re: #148 clgood

Charles:

With all due respect, please stop calling this a "crash". It was a ditching. And, as is obvious from this new video, an excellent one. There's nothing crash-like about it.

Splashdown.

re: #134 reine.de.tout

I'll tell you both the truth - I think Render posted those things for a reason, but I'll be doggoned if I can figure out right now what it was he was trying to tell us.

Maybe it will become clearer in the days ahead.

Render!
Where are you?!

NEED
ROOSTER
FIX,
pBMb

Turning around like large dog in a small cage muttering something as he feels obliged to say something nice about the Air Force.

re: #134 reine.de.tout

Queenie -

For what it is worth - which is the square root of NOTHING - these days- RAMALLAH - is where the British HANGED Zionists in the late 1940's. I COULD be wrong, however, like SIR WINSTON, I HAVE NOT ALWAYS BEEN WRONG! That is all.

-S-

re: #151 HelloDare

Splashdown.

Un-scheduled stop?

re: #151 HelloDare

Splashdown.

Nope. That term applies to space capsules from the Mercury, Gemini and Apollo eras.

re: #135 oh_dude

Then you need to read about the Gimli Glider

Now that's a miracle! An old friend from flight school told me about this and I didn't believe it until I read it.

This is the best part of the story

Ironically, the mechanics sent out to Gimli from Winnipeg Airport were left stranded when their van ran out of fuel.[6] Another was sent to pick them up.

re: #154 Dr. Shalit

Queenie -

For what it is worth - which is the square root of NOTHING - these days- RAMALLAH - is where the British HANGED Zionists in the late 1940's. I COULD be wrong, however, like SIR WINSTON, I HAVE NOT ALWAYS BEEN WRONG! That is all.

-S-

Doc -
I'm still confused.

re: #148 clgood

Charles:

With all due respect, please stop calling this a "crash". It was a ditching. And, as is obvious from this new video, an excellent one. There's nothing crash-like about it.

split finer than a frog hair...

re: #157 Shug

They're Canadians. What do you expect?

I kid! I kid!

re: #150 reine.de.tout

I remember when that happened!

That was amazing and really really odd.

That was what's called a high cycle aircraft. A cycle is flight to altitude, where the cabin is depressurized, pressurized, depressurized. That plane had 80,000 cycles IIRC, all short hops in the Islands, heavy salt air contributing to corrosion and metal fatigue. Aircraft age is measured in cycles not years. Average is 20-30,000 that was a really "old" airplane. It's a testament to Boeing it held together and was flyable.

re: #158 reine.de.tout

"Queenie" -

PRAY TELL - why are all 'y'all confused?

-S-

re: #139 pre-Boomer Marine brat

I went to the lions den. I'll see if it roars.

/I can do code, too.

Splish splash I wuz takin a bath- and a airplane crashed right by me.

I hope bo's popularity goes down just like this poor plane did.
This cult of personality about him- ignoring all his lies, bad choices and cabinet picks, ect ect is INSANE.

re: #154 Dr. Shalit

Queenie -

For what it is worth - which is the square root of NOTHING - these days- RAMALLAH - is where the British HANGED Zionists in the late 1940's. I COULD be wrong, however, like SIR WINSTON, I HAVE NOT ALWAYS BEEN WRONG! That is all.

-S-

Maybe they had two places, the rope in Acre was on display when I visited.

re: #159 albusteve

albusteve -

If all 'y'all find it THAT FINE - consider it CLINTONIZATION. That is all.

-S-

re: #162 Dr. Shalit

"Queenie" -

PRAY TELL - why are all 'y'all confused?

-S-

'cause I can't figure this out.

Georgie Georgie- no border fence, insane giveaways and all, ya did keep us safe for 7 plus years- I am missing ya already.

Deadstick landings aren't that much of a problem for smaller aircraft if you have a runway and wheels under you. Sailplanes do it all the time.

re: #165 lifeofthemind

"life" -

I - as anyone else - can be WRONG - Remembered RAMALLAH as the Hanging Place. IF I am WRONG - so be it.

-S-

re: #168 LEGION

Georgie Georgie- no border fence, insane giveaways and all, ya did keep us safe for 7 plus years- I am missing ya already.

I will miss Laura. But I don't think she will miss us. If ever there was a First Family that just wanted to go home and barbecue something...

re: #161 jcm

That was what's called a high cycle aircraft. A cycle is flight to altitude, where the cabin is depressurized, pressurized, depressurized. That plane had 80,000 cycles IIRC, all short hops in the Islands, heavy salt air contributing to corrosion and metal fatigue. Aircraft age is measured in cycles not years. Average is 20-30,000 that was a really "old" airplane. It's a testament to Boeing it held together and was flyable.

Well, then, I think the airlines ought to give us that info. about a particular plane before we get on it (a non-flyer here).

I think that kind of a landing is called a Ker-Plunk. Old German term.

re: #132 jcm

The F-4 is something around 5-1 IIRC.

One of the coolest F-4 stories...
Pardo's Push

strange to see that a Cessna 150 is not much better than the space shuttle.

and what's the matter with the household sparrow...sheesh. You call yourself a bird !

re: #138 lifeofthemind

Pilots union has been trying to get the age cap lifted, it is out of date. Would help the Dep't of Defense if pilots felt less pressure to get out and start a civilian career.

I think it should be lifted. If a pilot can pass his annual tests etc, let him fly the plane!

re: #166 Dr. Shalit

albusteve -

If all 'y'all find it THAT FINE - consider it CLINTONIZATION. That is all.

-S-

Notice:
This Title Has Been Clintonized To Fit Your Viewing Box

re: #170 Dr. Shalit

"life" -

I - as anyone else - can be WRONG - Remembered RAMALLAH as the Hanging Place. IF I am WRONG - so be it.

-S-

I thought I was wrong once ...

re: #157 Shug

This is the best part of the story

Ironically, the mechanics sent out to Gimli from Winnipeg Airport were left stranded when their van ran out of fuel.[6] Another was sent to pick them up.

I wonder how many people got fired over this? Talk about OOPS!

re: #137 reine.de.tout

that plane also had some features, didn't it, that helped with the floating?
Seems like I read that somewhere, just went hunting for the link and couldn't find it where I thought I saw it . . .

[Link: www.intute.ac.uk...]

Onboard Inert Gas Generation System on an Airbus A320

and

[Link: www.faa.gov...]

Engine Bird Ingestion
The A320 involved in the January 15, 2009 emergency landing in the Hudson River was powered by two CFM56-5B4/P engines, which were certified to meet these requirements:

Flocking Birds — The engine must be able to ingest a flock of birds (five 1.5 lb. birds), not lose more than ¼ of its power and continue to run for five minutes at its takeoff power setting.

Single Bird — The engine must be able to ingest a single large bird (4 lbs.) and be able to shut down safely. When a large bird is ingested, no continued operation is required.

Airplane Flotation
The A320 was certified for ditching (landing in water), meeting the following requirements:

The plane must be able to float under reasonable conditions long enough to allow evacuation of passengers.
The airplane must float in such a way that there are sufficient exits about water.

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- Cary Grant, North by Northwest

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re: #172 reine.de.tout

Well, then, I think the airlines ought to give us that info. about a particular plane before we get on it (a non-flyer here).

Your flight info will have type, but not a specific airplane. If you have a laptop you can enter the tail number and look it up..

It will give you the physical age but not the cycles.

re: #179 Bobibutu

Airplane Flotation
The A320 was certified for ditching (landing in water), meeting the following requirements:

The plane must be able to float under reasonable conditions long enough to allow evacuation of passengers.CHECK!
The airplane must float in such a way that there are sufficient exits about water.CHECK!

Engine Bird Ingestion
The A320 involved in the January 15, 2009 emergency landing in the Hudson River was powered by two CFM56-5B4/P engines, which were certified to meet these requirements:

Flocking Birds — The engine must be able to ingest a flock of birds (five 1.5 lb. birds), not lose more than ¼ of its power and continue to run for five minutes at its takeoff power setting.

Single Bird — The engine must be able to ingest a single large bird (4 lbs.) and be able to shut down safely. When a large bird is ingested, no continued operation is required.

We'll get back to ya on these two!

re: #167 reine.de.tout

'cause I can't figure this out.

It gives the location of the webcam -- see this page on the Ramattan News Service web site.

I have PROOF that this is a LIE and a GOVERNMENT COVERUP:

How do I know this?

• If the plane was flying so low to the ground, then it would have clipped trees and lightposts. Were is the evidence? That's right - THERE ISN'T ANY.

• The video only shows parts of the landing and we are supposed to believe that the two fit together. But if you look closely, you will see in the "splash" that it is a spliced video of a family riding the SPLASH MOUNTAIN RIDE AT DISNEYLAND!

• I POST IN CAPS, WHICH ADDS TO MY CREDIBILITY AND THE THRUTHINESS OF WHAT I HAVE TO SAY.

Ask yourself - who benefits?

That's right - GEORGE W BUSH and DICK CHENEY!

/ Dylan says "Your Welcome"

re: #183 SteveC

They'll find more than one, 20lb+ goose in each engine.

re: #185 karmic_inquisitor

I have PROOF that this is a LIE and a GOVERNMENT COVERUP:

How do I know this?

• If the plane was flying so low to the ground, then it would have clipped trees and lightposts. Were is the evidence? That's right - THERE ISN'T ANY.

• The video only shows parts of the landing and we are supposed to believe that the two fit together. But if you look closely, you will see in the "splash" that it is a spliced video of a family riding the SPLASH MOUNTAIN RIDE AT DISNEYLAND!

• I POST IN CAPS, WHICH ADDS TO MY CREDIBILITY AND THE THRUTHINESS OF WHAT I HAVE TO SAY.

Ask yourself - who benefits?

That's right - GEORGE W BUSH and DICK CHENEY!

/ Dylan says "Your Welcome"

I won't believe a thing you have to say until you show us with chicken wire models!

re: #81 claspur

The Captain is Class of 1973 USAF, and is 57.

As to the Canadian goose - they are mean and aggressive (nothing personal to Canadian people).

My joke? waiting for Hamas to claim the geese were trained by Mossad (Jewish geese terrorists?)

Sunday NYT lets you listen to the first two 911 calls. #1 Bronx guy is calling, says plane on fire, turning towards River (he is near the Bronx Zoo about 1/2 mile from my apt. wish i'd been there)). Knew it was an Airbus. #2 woman at 71st and Riverside says plane is in Hudson innear the 50's. BOTH 911 operator dispatched services to where the caller were located.

really good thing the Coast Guard was watching on their surveillance camera in NJ.

re: #185 karmic_inquisitor

Brilliant! Original?

Paint planes to look like predator birds. Other birds seeing them would get out of the way. If I'm a bird and I'm flying over an airport full of hawks, I'm going to fly somewhere else.

I don't think the bird will wonder about perspective. They are not going to think, "Damn, those are big hawks." Nope. They are just going to fly somewhere else.

Nerf airliners painted to look like hawks. That's the solution.

re: #185 karmic_inquisitor

• The video only shows parts of the landing and we are supposed to believe that the two fit together. But if you look closely, you will see in the "splash" that it is a spliced video of a family riding the SPLASH MOUNTAIN RIDE AT DISNEYLAND!

I'd rather go to Flash Mountain! (NSFW)

re: #188 Birdalone

Is that you, Rooster?

re: #180 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

You do know that Cary Grant was bi-sexual?

OT
Anyone know anything new about the Obama campaign turning off security modules on their donation software that would prevent fraudulent donations? I have LLL visitors who have NEVER HEARD OF THIS! But of course the Republicans have made no noise about it, so my visitors say it must have come up as being nothing, because we know the parties have people all over this stuff. I'm showing them a [Link: www.washingtonpost.com...] a Hot Air story.

re: #175 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

I think it should be lifted. If a pilot can pass his annual tests etc, let him fly the plane!

These days the cost of recruiting, educating and training pilot for the Air Force or the Navy must be millions. If they are competent fliers we should want to keep them in. If they don't want to be managers or commanders then let them step out of the Unrestricted Line if they would be willing to stay in. Think about it. An O-3 (AF Capt or Navy LT) is just getting good at the skill he has spent 4 years learning and is maybe 28 years old. If he tries to stay in until he completes 20 he may make O-5 (Lt Colonel or Commander) and get a pension. About half do and about half get passed over. If he does complete 20 years then he can fly as a civilian for 15 more years with low seniority. Civilian pilots are paid better than the military usually but not as well as they were compared to other jobs as they were 30 or 40 years ago. So the pressure on that O-3 to get out and start earning money is intense. If the civilian cap is lifted and slots are made for military pilots not fighting for promotion then more pilots could both stay in the military and then have civilian careers.

re: #192 MandyManners

I am all ovedr the Ramattan News Agency site but no Rooster Cam link ANYWHERE.

re: #196 ArmyWife

I am all ovedr the Ramattan News Agency site but no Rooster Cam link ANYWHERE.

No, there's not.

re: #189 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Brilliant! Original?

Original. Symptomatic of dementia.

re: #182 jcm

Your flight info will have type, but not a specific airplane. If you have a laptop you can enter the tail number and look it up..

It will give you the physical age but not the cycles.

well . .. thanks for the info!

re: #193 Birdalone

You do know that Cary Grant was bi-sexual?

Well. At least Rock Hudson was straight.

re: #183 SteveC

I had this feeling someone would jump on that. ;-)

If you haven't seen it.
Bird Injestion Test on Jet Engines

Yew Norkers kick some emergency butt when the shit hits the fan...what a bunch of cowboys eh?...cops and firemen and ferry guys and tunnel and bridge guys and EMTs and first responders and Port Authority people and all the rest...they git er done bigtime..jus sayin again

re: #196 ArmyWife

I am all ovedr the Ramattan News Agency site but no Rooster Cam link ANYWHERE.

Could you figure out anything from that comment and the links?

re: #196 ArmyWife

That treacherous rooster is now Cock soup!

[Link: www.buygracefoods.com...]

re: #198 karmic_inquisitor

Original. Symptomatic of dementia.

Bullshit. Iowahawk worthy. Well done.

Aloha 243.
Saw it the next morning flying into Wailuku. Whoa
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

re: #190 HelloDare

Paint planes to look like predator birds. Other birds seeing them would get out of the way. If I'm a bird and I'm flying over an airport full of hawks, I'm going to fly somewhere else.

I don't think the bird will wonder about perspective. They are not going to think, "Damn, those are big hawks." Nope. They are just going to fly somewhere else.

Nerf airliners painted to look like hawks. That's the solution.

I dunno. You seen those fake owls that people put up to scare pigeons off their buildings? You seen those piles of pigeon poo next to those fake owls? You seen those pigeons SITTING on the GDF fake owls?

I am in awe of pigeons. Their ability to maintain a normal family life and regular bowels despite fake owls, razor wire, needle wire, chicken wire, hawks, and traffic is pretty impressive.

I like the Nerf airliners idea, though. Those would be fun!

re: #177 lifeofthemind

lotm -

I have been WRONG more than once. Admit - to your Mis-Perception - and MOVE ON.

-S-

re: #188 Birdalone

The Captain is Class of 1973 USAF, and is 57.

As to the Canadian goose - they are mean and aggressive (nothing personal to Canadian people).

My joke? waiting for Hamas to claim the geese were trained by Mossad (Jewish geese terrorists?)

Sunday NYT lets you listen to the first two 911 calls. #1 Bronx guy is calling, says plane on fire, turning towards River (he is near the Bronx Zoo about 1/2 mile from my apt. wish i'd been there)). Knew it was an Airbus. #2 woman at 71st and Riverside says plane is in Hudson innear the 50's. BOTH 911 operator dispatched services to where the caller were located.

really good thing the Coast Guard was watching on their surveillance camera in NJ.

Thx Birdalone
When I first heard anything about the pilot it was too fresh. I have learned to give most things now at least 24-36 hours, and am still learning as you might tell. lol

Has Lurch offered to get one of those huntun licenses and take care of those pesky birds?

Thumbs UP

Americans in general and New Yorkers in particular are different from the rest of the girly-men who make up the population of most of the rest of the world.

re: #212 WhiteRasta

Americans in general and New Yorkers in particular are different from the rest of the girly-men who make up the population of most of the rest of the world.

girly-men?...like Cary Grant?

re: #194 Sunlight

OT
Anyone know anything new about the Obama campaign turning off security modules on their donation software that would prevent fraudulent donations? I have LLL visitors who have NEVER HEARD OF THIS! But of course the Republicans have made no noise about it, so my visitors say it must have come up as being nothing, because we know the parties have people all over this stuff. I'm showing them a [Link: www.washingtonpost.com...] a Hot Air story.

the GOP tried to make noise about it, but the MSM went quiet. GOP even filed a complaint. (ya de da). McCain needed to address it , but...

I am glad McCain is out of my life. Until he turns into a screwball again. That is.

Caveat re: my "Raid Gaza" link

Author is moonbat. See reviews, pp4,5,6. Doh.

Still, you get to kill terroists like good honcos.

re: #210 claspur

claspur -

"Mmmm... GOOSE Tetrazzini - "Whadda Kotchke" - Put the PASTA on the boil.

-S-

re: #179 Bobibutu

Flocking Birds — The engine must be able to ingest a flock of birds (five 1.5 lb. birds), not lose more than ¼ of its power and continue to run for five minutes at its takeoff power setting.

Time to update THAT definition of flock of birds. That's a family of pigeons on a NYC windowsill. The Canadian geese around NYC are at lest 40 pounds each. Use deterrent SWANS - works on the golf courses.

The real outcome? Flights out of LGA and JFK will go back to flying south. People who live near both airports have complained, so they direct lots of flights north over The Bronx because poor people don't complain (well, no one listens) The NE Bronx is big Pelham Bay park, and a nesting stop for migratory birds. Flying the planes north over the Bronx to go south to Charlotte, NC is stupid.

re: #213 albusteve

girly-men?...like Cary Grant?

*giggles*

re: #214 pat

the GOP tried to make noise about it, but the MSM went quiet. GOP even filed a complaint. (ya de da). McCain needed to address it , but...

I am glad McCain is out of my life. Until he turns into a screwball again. That is.

So I'm wasting my time to even bring it up with these people? I'm going to get an ulcer trying to not yell at them.

re: #213 albusteve

Girly-men like John Effin Kerry, Ted Kennedy (Who let his passenger drown)

David Suzuki, Stephen Lewis and the rest of those so-called men without balls.

re: #202 jcm

Saw a test a couple years ago with frozen turkeys.(maybe on 60 mins?)
Saw a jet take a Heron in it's engine on a vid yesterday.'07
Flamed the right engine from takeoff, and kept climbing.

re: #208 SanFranciscoZionist

I dunno. You seen those fake owls that people put up to scare pigeons off their buildings? You seen those piles of pigeon poo next to those fake owls? You seen those pigeons SITTING on the GDF fake owls?

I am in awe of pigeons. Their ability to maintain a normal family life and regular bowels despite fake owls, razor wire, needle wire, chicken wire, hawks, and traffic is pretty impressive.

I like the Nerf airliners idea, though. Those would be fun!

Since you live in S.F., have you considered a Nerf house. Earthquakes would be fun.

re: #219 Sunlight

Sunlight -

With the exception of Gov. Sarah Palin - DON'T ASK! That is all.

-S-

re: #221 claspur

Yes that was in the UK. Flamed out the right engine at VR.

re: #212 WhiteRasta

Americans in general and New Yorkers in particular are different from the rest of the girly-men who make up the population of most of the rest of the world.

New Yorkers is city slickers, go west young man!
;-)

re: #204 reine.de.tout

No. But I sent an email asking for a decoder ring. I'll let you know what, if anything, I find out.

re: #214 pat

the GOP tried to make noise about it, but the MSM went quiet. GOP even filed a complaint. (ya de da). McCain needed to address it , but...

I am glad McCain is out of my life. Until he turns into a screwball again. That is.

Because the newspapers are quiet about it, these folks think it's all a fairy tale. They just think we should be quiet and hope the dems don't try to put Pres. Bush and his administration in jail. Ack.

re: #221 claspur

"How far can we make it on one engine?"
"All the way to the scene of the crash. I betcha that we beat the EMT by a half hour."
-Ron White.

re: #226 ArmyWife

No. But I sent an email asking for a decoder ring. I'll let you know what, if anything, I find out.

Thank you.
meanwhile, at the Ramattan site:

It is not without an element of danger that Ramattan serves Gaza and the West Bank. One reporter told The Media Line that both Fatah and Hamas have at times accused the news service of being a “traitor to the Palestinian people.” When the internecine warfare between the two factions broke out, Ramattan angered both by refusing to cover the street fighting or the news conferences each side called to press their case with the community-at-large.

When asked about its independence, one Ramattan reporter boasted that the proof lies in the fact that, "it was under attack by the Palestinian Preventive Security Services (Fatah-affiliated) in Ramallah and Gaza, and attacked by Hamas during the Fatah-Hamas war of 2007. And since [then], Hamas has cut all ties to the agency."

Nobody likes 'em, it seems!

re: #224 WhiteRasta

Don't recall hearing about that incident though?

re: #221 claspur

Saw a test a couple years ago with frozen turkeys.(maybe on 60 mins?)
Saw a jet take a Heron in it's engine on a vid yesterday.'07
Flamed the right engine from takeoff, and kept climbing.

That was a 767.

re: #225 jcm

Maybe, but when to doo-doo hits the fan, it's nice to be in New York.

(Or maybe America)

re: #228 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

ty FBV. lol RW is such a sot...*sigh

re: #220 WhiteRasta

Girly-men like John Effin Kerry, Ted Kennedy (Who let his passenger drown)

David Suzuki, Stephen Lewis and the rest of those so-called men without balls.

I'm no sociologist but Americans have a long and colorful legacy of running to the danger so to speak...especially the armed forces...the Marines at Belleau Wood and Fallujah II...Northfield Minn where the townfolk took down the James gang...the Twins...it's a pioneer survival gene that sacrifices for the whole...it's gotta get done so lets go do it...let's roll!

I think I am going to sign off. My mind is wandering, Bill Faith's passing is a large part of that. I'll see ya tomorrow, ok?

re: #203 albusteve

Yew Norkers kick some emergency butt when the shit hits the fan...what a bunch of cowboys eh?...cops and firemen and ferry guys and tunnel and bridge guys and EMTs and first responders and Port Authority people and all the rest...they git er done bigtime..jus sayin again

You BETCHA! These are the real New Yorkers - the guys who get it done.
FDNY are the best. I once had smoke come out of an unused wall outlet -20th (top) floor. FDNY down the street. Arrived in a heartbeat, boots, axes, slickers - one look, up to the roof, seems some asphalt was burning. Job done in 2 minutes. That was 20 years ago and my heart still pounds for FDNY, bless them all.

re: #209 Dr. Shalit

lotm -

I have been WRONG more than once. Admit - to your Mis-Perception - and MOVE ON.

-S-

I wouldn't mind meeting Miss Perception, I might have a chance with her.

re: #230 claspur

A Thomas Cook 757 sucked in a bird at VR and it flamed out. I'll try to find the link for you.

re: #229 reine.de.tout

Nobody likes 'em, it seems!

They might have more integrity than the MFM.

re: #232 WhiteRasta

Maybe, but when to doo-doo hits the fan, it's nice to be in New York.

(Or maybe America)

I know what you mean, having fun with you.

re: #217 Birdalone

I believe that Seagulls are the real problem. They're fairly large, will fly in "large groups" (they don't really "flock"). They LOVE large flat areas to land and rest as they can't perch in trees and the asphalt is warm and cozy when the sun is out. They are also predominate at both fields due to nearby landfills AND their natural habitat; shore-lined ocean and estuaries.

re: #235 ArmyWife

Take care. I am sorry for your loss.

Contrast Sully's landing and professionalism with these two guys, who unfortunately paid the ultimate price for goofing off

re: #241 jcw46

I believe that Seagulls are the real problem. They're fairly large, will fly in "large groups" (they don't really "flock"). They LOVE large flat areas to land and rest as they can't perch in trees and the asphalt is warm and cozy when the sun is out. They are also predominate at both fields due to nearby landfills AND their natural habitat; shore-lined ocean and estuaries.

I am now enlightened...what's a cubit?

re: #234 albusteve

You Yanks just effing rock.

re: #239 MandyManners

MoFoMedia?

Very OT

Who's gonna join the "Peace Train" - the historic train ride with the incoming Obamamessiah

or should we call it "Crazy Train"

I'm suffering from ODS and he's not even sworn in yet. Help, I think I'm drowning in Obamash*t.

Sorry, had to vent. Gotta go now. Really, Aloha until Monday.

re: #149 talon_262

Most of them, I'm sure, are not retiring because they want to, they're being forced to retire by f**king stupid FAA regs that proscribe mandatory commercial pilot retirement at age 60 regardless of physical/mental condition. Why in the hell can't the FAA let commercial pilots fly as long as they are physically and mentally able, instead of forcing out experienced, competent pilots arbitrarily simply on the basis of age?

December 14, 2007

Ending an airline industry controversy that has smoldered for a half-century, President Bush signed a bill Thursday that raises the retirement age for commercial pilots to 65 from 60, a standard observed by the rest of the world.

re: #212 WhiteRasta

Americans in general and New Yorkers in particular are different from the rest of the girly-men who make up the population of most of the rest of the world.

Manhattan is full of girly-men who come from somewhere else. But these guys are real Americans. You betcha.

re: #243 Shug

Contrast Sully's landing and professionalism with these two guys, who unfortunately paid the ultimate price for goofing off

Darwin Award
Air Category

re: #244 albusteve

About half a dwarf.

re: #245 WhiteRasta

You Yanks just effing rock.

not only that but we also invented football! :)

re: #243 Shug

Contrast Sully's landing and professionalism with these two guys, who unfortunately paid the ultimate price for goofing off

While not professional this one takes the cake.

Translation in plan English.

re: #247 Maui Girl

Very OT

Who's gonna join the "Peace Train" - the historic train ride with the incoming Obamamessiah

or should we call it "Crazy Train"

I'm suffering from ODS and he's not even sworn in yet. Help, I think I'm drowning in Obamash*t.

Sorry, had to vent. Gotta go now. Really, Aloha until Monday.

Tell me about it! The letter to his kids was published in today's Parade. I will have my TV off on Tuesday.

re: #243 Shug

There are old pilots and there are bold pilots.

There are no old, bold pilots.

re: #249 Birdalone

Think they're called Metro-sexuals? *ack...*spit

re: #234 albusteve

I'm no sociologist but Americans have a long and colorful legacy of running to the danger so to speak...especially the armed forces...the Marines at Belleau Wood and Fallujah II...Northfield Minn where the townfolk took down the James gang...the Twins...it's a pioneer survival gene that sacrifices for the whole...it's gotta get done so lets go do it...let's roll!

albusteve -

YUP - AND? "America" truly hates Unfairness - for good reason. The Ultimate "Zeitgeist" of the USA IS - Fairness. By THAT standard I shall stand.

-S-