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The animal I wanted
Couldn’t get into the world…
I can hear it crying
When I sit like this away from life.

Kenneth Patchen

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1 jcm  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 11:21:29pm

That means it must be bedtime.
Goodnight all!

2 Sharmuta  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 11:21:45pm
The animal I wanted
Couldn’t get into the world...
I can hear it crying
When I sit like this away from life.

I hear it too- it's my unicorn 0bama promised me.

3 gmsc  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 11:22:38pm

Quote of the next 4 years:

"We have tried spending money. We are spending more than we have ever spent before and it does not work ... After eight years of this Administration we have just as much unemployment as when we started ... And an enormous debt to boot!"

-- Franklin Delano Roosevelt's Secretary of the Treasury Henry Morgenthau, commenting on the failures of the New Deal after two terms of FDR

4 gmsc  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 11:24:25pm

re: #2 Sharmuta

I hear it too- it's my unicorn 0bama promised me.

If we don't get our unicorns, who will fart the rainbows?

(I think I just created a title for a #1 album!)

5 Sharmuta  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 11:24:45pm

Voldemort vs. Sauron. Who is the better Dark Lord? Discuss.

6 Sharmuta  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 11:25:30pm

re: #4 gmsc

If we don't get our unicorns, who will fart the rainbows?

(I think I just created a title for a #1 album!)

That would make a great LGF profile too.

7 Kragar  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 11:26:34pm

For you Sharmuta;

The Top 100 Things I'd Do If I Ever Became An Evil Overlord

My Legions of Terror will have helmets with clear plexiglass visors, not face-concealing ones.

My ventilation ducts will be too small to crawl through.

My noble half-brother whose throne I usurped will be killed, not kept anonymously imprisoned in a forgotten cell of my dungeon.

Shooting is not too good for my enemies.

The artifact which is the source of my power will not be kept on the Mountain of Despair beyond the River of Fire guarded by the Dragons of Eternity. It will be in my safe-deposit box. The same applies to the object which is my one weakness.

I will not gloat over my enemies' predicament before killing them.

When I've captured my adversary and he says, "Look, before you kill me, will you at least tell me what this is all about?" I'll say, "No." and shoot him. No, on second thought I'll shoot him then say "No."

After I kidnap the beautiful princess, we will be married immediately in a quiet civil ceremony, not a lavish spectacle in three weeks' time during which the final phase of my plan will be carried out.

I will not include a self-destruct mechanism unless absolutely necessary. If it is necessary, it will not be a large red button labelled "Danger: Do Not Push". The big red button marked "Do Not Push" will instead trigger a spray of bullets on anyone stupid enough to disregard it. Similarly, the ON/OFF switch will not clearly be labelled as such.

I will not interrogate my enemies in the inner sanctum -- a small hotel well outside my borders will work just as well.

I will be secure in my superiority. Therefore, I will feel no need to prove it by leaving clues in the form of riddles or leaving my weaker enemies alive to show they pose no threat.

One of my advisors will be an average five-year-old child. Any flaws in my plan that he is able to spot will be corrected before implementation.

All slain enemies will be cremated, or at least have several rounds of ammunition emptied into them, not left for dead at the bottom of the cliff. The announcement of their deaths, as well as any accompanying celebration, will be deferred until after the aforementioned disposal.

The hero is not entitled to a last kiss, a last cigarette, or any other form of last request.

I will never employ any device with a digital countdown. If I find that such a device is absolutely unavoidable, I will set it to activate when the counter reaches 117 and the hero is just putting his plan into operation.

8 Sharmuta  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 11:28:58pm

re: #7 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I dinged you after reading this:

My ventilation ducts will be too small to crawl through.

9 gmsc  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 11:30:00pm

re: #5 Sharmuta

Voldemort vs. Sauron. Who is the better Dark Lord? Discuss.

Why does it have to be a Dark Lord? Racist!

One vote for Voldemort here! You could understand his past without having to learn graduate-level Quenya.

10 zombie  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 11:30:07pm

re: #2 Sharmuta

I hear it too- it's my unicorn 0bama promised me.

He promised you a unicorn too? But he promised me a unicorn! A unicorn with wings! That can fly in the sky with the fluffy bunnies!

Mr. President: Where's my unicorn?

11 x-wing  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 11:30:09pm

re: #3 gmsc

So please, we just need another 4 years, we know what doesn't work.

/

12 Kragar  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 11:31:00pm

re: #8 Sharmuta

I dinged you after reading this:

One of my personal favorites;

If an advisor says to me "My liege, he is but one man. What can one man possibly do?", I will reply "This." and kill the advisor.

13 Sharmuta  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 11:32:41pm

re: #10 zombie

Where's My Unicorn?! would make a great bumper sticker.

14 Kragar  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 11:32:42pm

Also please see:

1200 things Mr. Welch can no longer do during an RPG

1. Cannot base characters off the Who's drummer Keith Moon.
2. A one man band is not an appropriate bard instrument.
3. There is no Gnomish god of heavy artillery.
4. My 7th Sea character Boudreaux is not 'Southern' Montaigne.
5. Not allowed to blow all my skill points on 1pt professional skills.
6. Synchronized panicking is not a proper battle plan.
7. Not allowed to use psychic powers to do the dishes.
8. How to serve Dragons is not a cookbook.
9. My monk's lips must be in sync.
10. Just because my character and I can speak German, doesn't mean the GM can.
11. Not allowed to berserk for the hell of it, especially during royal masquerades.
12. Must learn at least one offensive or defensive spell if I'm the sorcerer.
13. Must not murder canon NPCs in their sleep, no matter how cliche they are.
14. Ogres are not kosher.
15. Plan B is not automatically twice as much gunpowder as Plan A.

15 jcw46  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 11:34:29pm

re: #8 Sharmuta

I dinged you after reading this:

hear. hear. I did also. Of course if you do all that IT WOULDN'T BE ANY FUN TO BE THE HERO!

16 zombie  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 11:36:04pm

re: #13 Sharmuta

Where's My Unicorn?! would make a great bumper sticker.

There's already an entire genre of Obama Disillusionment bumper stickers.

17 Sharmuta  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 11:36:32pm

re: #9 gmsc

Sauron was unwise in making only one horcrux while Voldemort had 7, but then again- Voldemort was defeated by a 17 year old.

18 gmsc  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 11:36:42pm

re: #7 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

For you Sharmuta;

The Top 100 Things I'd Do If I Ever Became An Evil Overlord

87: My vats of hazardous chemicals will be covered when not in use. Also, I will not construct walkways above them.

19 Sharmuta  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 11:37:06pm

re: #16 zombie

There's already an entire genre of Obama Disillusionment bumper stickers.

That is awesome!

20 gmsc  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 11:38:02pm

re: #17 Sharmuta

Sauron was unwise in making only one horcrux while Voldemort had 7, but then again- Voldemort was defeated by a 17 year old.

21 Fenway_Nation  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 11:38:27pm

I've developed a habit of stopping by various retailers on my way home from work (sometimes while shopping there and sometimes not) and trading all my paper $1 bills for $1 coins. I kind of see it as win/win- most retailers can't wait to get rid of them and I find it's better off for me to set them aside in a bottle or jar as savings instead of going to the casinos or off-track betting office.

Any thoughts?

22 Sharmuta  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 11:39:48pm

re: #20 gmsc

WTH did they do to Spock?!

23 BlueCanuck  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 11:40:52pm

re: #14 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I have a friend that has violated most of those rules. :)

/even done stuff that isn't on the list. He isn't well liked in some circles as a player character. :)

24 gmsc  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 11:41:39pm

re: #22 Sharmuta

WTH did they do to Spock?!

The full story is here, but it still doesn't explain Leonard Nimoy's decision to do that video!

25 BenZacharia  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 11:42:22pm

re: #21 Fenway_Nation

I've developed a habit of stopping by various retailers on my way home from work (sometimes while shopping there and sometimes not) and trading all my paper $1 bills for $1 coins. I kind of see it as win/win- most retailers can't wait to get rid of them and I find it's better off for me to set them aside in a bottle or jar as savings instead of going to the casinos or off-track betting office.

Any thoughts?

trading lint for scrap iron, hmmmm, trade your lint for scrap silver

26 BlueCanuck  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 11:43:28pm

re: #24 gmsc

At least he sounded better then William Shatner. :O

/will not link any songs or vids for that.
//Think there is a codicil in the Geneva Convention. . . . .

27 Aye Pod  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 11:44:41pm

A hopeful note to finish on...

Nite all :)

28 least  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 11:44:47pm

re: #16 zombie

There's already an entire genre of Obama Disillusionment bumper stickers.

Did y'all see the Hot Air post about the basic moonbat mindset?
When reality finally breaks through, it's gonna be ugly.
Hunker down, folks.

29 Sharmuta  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 11:46:23pm

Nimoy as Aragorn.

What is movie ideas I'm glad never came to pass?

30 Fenway_Nation  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 11:46:41pm

re: #25 BenZacharia

trading lint for scrap iron, hmmmm, trade your lint for scrap silver


Not alot of those in circulation these days....

Truth be told, I would trade in my $10s or $20s for the equivalent in $1 coins, but its not too likely they'd have that many on hand.

31 Fenway_Nation  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 11:48:43pm

re: #28 least

I did not see that- thank you for providing that 5 troy ounce bar of (inintentional) comedy gold.

32 gmsc  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 11:50:08pm

re: #27 Jimmah

A hopeful note to finish on...


[Video]

Nite all :)

If you're looking for a hopeful note, how about 40 inspiration speeches in 2 minutes?

33 Sharmuta  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 11:50:13pm

re: #28 least

Wow

34 filbert23  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 11:51:11pm

The little lady is listening to Sheryl Crow on You Tube. LGF is much better!
I think sheryl pretty much sucks! Allman Bros. rocks! Must be an age thing.

35 Fenway_Nation  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 11:51:22pm

re: #31 Fenway_Nation


unintentional

PIMP

/Preview is my pal.

36 Davehm  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 11:54:08pm

re: #28 least

Well of course, Obama the provider.

37 gmsc  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 11:57:14pm

re: #30 Fenway_Nation

Not alot of those in circulation these days....

Truth be told, I would trade in my $10s or $20s for the equivalent in $1 coins, but its not too likely they'd have that many on hand.

Don't worry. The economy under 0bama will automatically convert anything that's worth $10 or $20 into something that's worth $1.

38 Kragar  Sat, Jan 17, 2009 11:58:50pm

re: #37 gmsc

Don't worry. The economy under 0bama will automatically convert anything that's worth $10 or $20 into something that's worth $1.

Zimbabwe economic policy. To combat hyper inflation, they passed a law demanding the last 6 zeroes be removed from all prices and currency

39 Fenway_Nation  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 12:01:11am

re: #37 gmsc

I won a 1oz silver coin on Ebay and the seller sent a note and handwritten invoice on a notepad that looked like a $1,000,000 bill. I looked at the mock $1 million bill part and thought to myself 'Great- maybe I can get a cup of coffee after four years of 0bama'

40 Fenway_Nation  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 12:02:21am

re: #38 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

And Mugabe was one of the first international leaders to congratulate 0bama on winning.

41 gmsc  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 12:03:46am

re: #40 Fenway_Nation

And Mugabe was one of the first international leaders to congratulate 0bama on winning.

Welcome back, Carter...

42 tradewind  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 12:04:17am
WASHINGTON (AP) - A Muslim scholar chosen to speak at President-elect Barack Obama's inaugural prayer service Wednesday is the leader of a group that federal prosecutors say has ties to terrorists.


Guess it was too big a hassle to find someone sans ties.

43 Fenway_Nation  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 12:05:33am

re: #42 tradewind

Where will the so-called Rev. Wright Wrong be watching the innauguration from?

44 Kragar  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 12:07:12am

Militants fire rockets into Israel after cease-fire

Militants fired four rockets into southern Israel and exchanged gunfire with troops in northern Gaza Sunday, hours after Israel declared a unilateral cease-fire in the Gaza Strip, an Israeli spokesman said.

The Qassam rockets were fired into Sderot at 9 a.m. -- seven hours after Israel's cease-fire went into effect. The rockets did not injure anyone, the spokesman said.

Porportionate response would be for Israel to fire 4 rockets at random into Gaza

45 Sharmuta  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 12:09:13am

re: #7 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

The Top 100 Things I'd Do If I Ever Became An Evil Overlord

I would add:

101. Any androids I design and build myself will not be left in the care of family members.

102. Any Droids that become too closely attached to other Droids will be separated and their memories erased.

46 Kragar  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 12:09:27am

So how long before Hamas declares victory?

47 least  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 12:10:16am

Ever since he took on the "Woody Guthrie of this generation" mantle, Bruce Springsteen has become boring and predictable.
I read a report of what he had to say at the Celebration of the Messiah's Inauguration (or whatever they called it) that was held at the Lincoln Memorial.
Oh, there are flashes of the old Boss, but they become rarer and rarer with each new song he releases.
In this case, the new Boss is definitely not the same as the old Boss.

48 Sharmuta  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 12:10:18am

re: #46 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

So how long before Hamas declares victory?

I think they did already.

49 LGoPs  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 12:10:55am

test

50 Davehm  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 12:11:06am

re: #42 tradewind

Hey where's this nation going? and whats with the handbasket?
It's looking ugly out there.

51 tradewind  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 12:11:34am

re: #43 Fenway_Nation

Somewhere between the f and the m.
/jk/
Most likely the VIP box.
So much for Rick ' the red herring' Warren. This guy Big O's chosen ( the muslim speaker) has ties to Hamas.

52 gmsc  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 12:13:15am

2008 in review:

Oh, and for those who've already forgotten it, here's 2007 in review:

53 Kragar  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 12:13:59am

re: #45 Sharmuta

I would add:

101. Any androids I design and build myself will not be left in the care of family members.

102. Any Droids that become too closely attached to other Droids will be separated and their memories erased.

103. I will not discount the harmless looking old man just because he is old

54 BlueCanuck  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 12:14:00am

re: #45 Sharmuta

Read through the whole lists the other night, goes to 200+. And I never saw those in the list at all. Well thought out Sharm.

55 BlueCanuck  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 12:15:37am

re: #53 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

103. I will not discount the harmless looking old man just because he is old

Another one, the indescript young male, with an indescript sword will be killed on site. Especially if there are rumours of a birth mark or "heritage".

56 redc1c4  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 12:16:49am

re: #2 Sharmuta

I hear it too- it's my unicorn 0bama promised me.

how do you want it cooked?

57 Mauser  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 12:16:59am

Weird, I wasn't logged in, so at the bottom of this page I had a login entry, and when I did it, I was kicked back to the main page.

Has anyone had an issue with Firefox 3 getting its context menus all screwed up? It's even losing the dictionary so it can't suggest spelling corrections, and the only way to fix it is to quit.

58 Sharmuta  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 12:17:21am

re: #53 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

103. I will not discount the harmless looking old man just because he is old

104. I will not underestimate any female hero just because she's a woman.

59 Sharmuta  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 12:18:33am

re: #57 Mauser

Weird, I wasn't logged in, so at the bottom of this page I had a login entry, and when I did it, I was kicked back to the main page.

Has anyone had an issue with Firefox 3 getting its context menus all screwed up? It's even losing the dictionary so it can't suggest spelling corrections, and the only way to fix it is to quit.

It will be fixed Tuesday- along with all the rest of the world's problems.

60 Kragar  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 12:20:14am

re: #58 Sharmuta

104. I will not underestimate any female hero just because she's a woman.

From the list:

If my weakest troops fail to eliminate a hero, I will send out my best troops instead of wasting time with progressively stronger ones as he gets closer and closer to my fortress.

61 Sharmuta  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 12:20:20am

"No man can kill me!"

"I am no man."

You GO, Girl.

62 Mauser  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 12:20:22am

re: #3 gmsc

Stealing that.

63 gmsc  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 12:21:19am

re: #62 Mauser

Stealing that.

Please do!

64 Tamron  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 12:21:28am

ZIMBABWE PRINTS $100 TRILLION NOTE!

And it's worth approx. $300 US dollars. Wow.
.

65 Neo Con since 9-11  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 12:21:56am

re: #14 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Thank you, that took me back to my college days when I was into RPG's. I needed that. By number 150 I was laughing so hard I had to go throw up but I bookmarked it and I'll finish them tomorrow. Frakkin hilarious to us old time gamers.

66 Sharmuta  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 12:22:00am

re: #62 Mauser

I'm stealing the "farting rainbows" bit.

67 Kragar  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 12:22:33am

re: #65 Neo Con since 9-11

Thank you, that took me back to my college days when I was into RPG's. I needed that. By number 150 I was laughing so hard I had to go throw up but I bookmarked it and I'll finish them tomorrow. Frakkin hilarious to us old time gamers.

yup, brough back a lot of old memories

68 Davehm  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 12:23:52am

Here's an interesting link
[Link: www.guardian.co.uk...]

Obama the world savior...

Come on Obama prove to me you not no fool and walk across my swimming pool.

69 Tamron  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 12:24:03am

re: #53 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

103. I will not discount the harmless looking old man just because he is old

Beware the treacherous old farts, for they have very little to lose and might have a lot of scores to settle with no preliminary chit-chat...
.

70 BlueCanuck  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 12:25:36am

re: #65 Neo Con since 9-11

Yeah, theglen definitely has a way of twisting rules. Not to mention clerics. Then there was the friend who played a gay cleric with a dwarf fetish. :)

/She also had a small list of things she was no longer allowed to do.
//Only small, because she wasn't allowed to play anymore. Ruined too many games. . . . and game masters.

71 gmsc  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 12:25:49am

re: #61 Sharmuta

"No man can kill me!"

"I am no man."

That's an old trope!

72 gmsc  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 12:26:50am

re: #66 Sharmuta

I'm stealing the "farting rainbows" bit.

Do you think it would make a good LGF rotating title?

73 LGoPs  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 12:26:54am

re: #65 Neo Con since 9-11

Thank you, that took me back to my college days when I was into RPG's. I needed that. By number 150 I was laughing so hard I had to go throw up but I bookmarked it and I'll finish them tomorrow. Frakkin hilarious to us old time gamers.

What is an RPG?

74 Fenway_Nation  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 12:27:34am

re: #64 Tamron

ZIMBABWE PRINTS $100 TRILLION NOTE!

And it's worth approx. $300 US dollars. Wow.
.

They'll be lucky if it's worth $3 by this time next month.

75 Kragar  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 12:27:48am

re: #61 Sharmuta

"No man can kill me!"

"I am no man."

You GO, Girl.

They cover that on Page 2

"My Legions of Terror will be an equal-opportunity employer. Conversely, when it is prophesied that no man can defeat me, I will keep in mind the increasing number of non-traditional gender roles."

76 Sharmuta  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 12:27:49am

re: #71 gmsc

Over-reliance on this phrase by the baddie usually leads to a delicious Oh Crap moment.

LOL!

77 LGoPs  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 12:29:10am

re: #64 Tamron

ZIMBABWE PRINTS $100 TRILLION NOTE!

And it's worth approx. $300 US dollars. Wow.
.

My only question would be how many trillion does it take to get the frick out of Zimbabwe....

78 Tamron  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 12:31:12am

re: #74 Fenway_Nation

They'll be lucky if it's worth $3 by this time next month.


Rumor has it, they'll be calling it the "Barack."
.

79 Sharmuta  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 12:32:41am

re: #72 gmsc

Do you think it would make a good LGF rotating title?

I don't know, but I did change my profile.

80 Neo Con since 9-11  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 12:32:59am

re: #73 LGoPs

What is an RPG?

Role Playing Game like D&D or my old favorite GURPS

81 filbert23  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 12:33:20am

OK - the little lady is back on track - she' doin' Gov't Mule, Eric Clapton and Mountain (Mississippi Queen)!

82 LGoPs  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 12:33:52am

re: #80 Neo Con since 9-11

Thanks. Figured it was something like that just couldn't get the acronym.......

83 BlueCanuck  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 12:35:05am

re: #82 LGoPs

RPG's realm of the geeks, nerds, and chess club members. :)

84 filbert23  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 12:35:10am

RPG = Rocket Propelled Granade

85 gmsc  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 12:35:26am

re: #79 Sharmuta

I don't know, but I did change my profile.

I'm honored! Thank you!

86 redc1c4  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 12:36:44am
87 conservativeChick  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 12:39:28am

This explains why I have never like Pepsi and why I haven't been drinking Jones in over a year:
Jones Soda In Tank For Obama
Pepsi Is On Obama Badwagon

What do you expect from a Seattle based company(Jones). Jones is way too sweet and fruity and Pepsi is flat and taste like mad water. Plus Pepsi lead a illegal boycott against Israel and said that America is the middle finger to the world. What a bunch of asshats and d-bags. I sent a thank you note to Coke-Cola thanking them for not alienating half of their consumers and hope they don't do this like their half baked wannabees are doing.

88 Neo Con since 9-11  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 12:40:18am

re: #70 BlueCanuck

On my small list of things to not do was creating a super hero Scottsman whose sole super power was caber tossing and faking a male orgasm no matter how well I rolled.

89 Mauser  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 12:40:53am

re: #84 filbert23

RPG = Rocket Propelled Granade

Why is it that the only thing in the US arsenal that even approximates the super cheap RPG is a multi-thousand dollar shoulder fired wire guided missile?

90 gmsc  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 12:42:29am

Superuseless Superpowers

SUPERUSELESS SUPERPOWER: Complementary Chameleon
The superuseless chameleon assumes the complementary color of his surroundings, thereby rendering him highly un-hard to see. This superpower was inspiration for the failed children’s book franchise titled “There’s Waldo.”

SUPERUSELESS SUPERPOWER: Superhuman strength whilst sleeping.
After awaking from an especially violent dream, the "Slumberjack" finds his bedroom, house and entire zipcode in utter shambles. At least it's a good excuse to forgo post-coital snuggling.

91 SFGoth  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 12:42:49am

Got back a few hours ago from Healdsburg - visited the awesome annual winery crawl open house. At one (Thumbprint), I came upon a group of Jews (it's genetic; I can smell 'em), and so after a l'chaim, we all made more toasts. They were obviously liberal (you can smell that too j/k) so I took a chance with toasting Operation Cast Lead and they wholeheartedly toasted too. Very happy with that.

92 ladycatnip  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 12:42:51am

Obama has only four years to save the world.

This is going to be interesting.

93 filbert23  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 12:44:31am

granade should be grenade

94 gmsc  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 12:45:08am

re: #92 ladycatnip

Obama has only four years to save the world.

This is going to be interesting.

Over 4.5 Billion people could die from Global Warming-related causes by 2012

A recent scientific theory called the "hydrate hypothesis" says that historical global warming cycles have been caused by a feedback loop, where melting permafrost methane clathrates (also known as "hydrates") spur local global warming, leading to further melting of clathrates and bacterial growth.

In other words, like western Siberia, the 400 billion tons of methane in permafrost hydrate will gradually melt, and the released methane will speed the melting. The effect of even a couple of billion tons of methane being emitted into the atmosphere each year would be catastrophic.

The "hydrate hypothesis" (if validated) spells the rapid onset of runaway catastrophic global warming. In fact, you should remember this moment when you learned about this feedback loop-it is an existencial turning point in your life.

By the way, the "hydrate hypothesis" is a weeks old scientific theory, and is only now being discussed by global warming scientists. I suggest you Google the term.

Now that most scientists agree human activity is causing the Earth to warm, the central debate has shifted to when we will pass the tipping point and be helpless to stop the runaway Global Warming.

95 Kragar  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 12:45:48am

re: #86 redc1c4

Skippy's List

LOL

7. Not allowed to add “In accordance with the prophesy” to the end of answers I give to a question an officer asks me.

96 LGoPs  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 12:46:00am

re: #64 Tamron

ZIMBABWE PRINTS $100 TRILLION NOTE!

And it's worth approx. $300 US dollars. Wow.
.

Typical transaction in Zimbabwe:
Customer: ''I'd like a stick of gum, please''
Vendor: ''That'll be 5 cents''
Customer: ''Here'a a 100 trillion''
Vendor: ''I'm terribly sorry but I'm going to have to shoot you''
*Bang*

97 redc1c4  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 12:46:05am

re: #89 Mauser

Why is it that the only thing in the US arsenal that even approximates the super cheap RPG is a multi-thousand dollar shoulder fired wire guided missile?

lookk up AT-4 and get back to us......

lots of draw backs to the RPG.

98 Fenway_Nation  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 12:46:47am

re: #91 SFGoth


I proposed a toast to Luis Tiant, Bettie Paige, Tim Thomas and a genreic 'to the Israelis' the other day (in decidedly different settings). Had takers for all four.

99 gmsc  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 12:47:10am

re: #94 gmsc

Over 4.5 Billion people could die from Global Warming-related causes by 2012

Keep in mind that the world population is about 6.7 billion, so this article is saying that 2/3 of the world will be dead before 2013.

100 SFGoth  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 12:47:15am

re: #94 gmsc

Wouldn't that make Earth First happy?

101 Kragar  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 12:47:22am

re: #94 gmsc

Whats that smell? Oh, its the bullshit in that article.

102 gmsc  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 12:48:34am

re: #100 SFGoth

Wouldn't that make Earth First happy?

re: #101 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Whats that smell? Oh, its the bullshit in that article.

Both updinged!

103 Kragar  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 12:48:54am

re: #97 redc1c4

lookk up AT-4 and get back to us......

lots of draw backs to the RPG.

Mk19 and M209 Grenade launcher, LAW, and SMAW also spring to mind

104 Fenway_Nation  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 12:50:22am

re: #71 gmsc

That's an old trope!


Whoa! Dove around a little further on that site and came up with this:

CSI New York had an episode where Reed, a blogger tried to get Mac to give information on the Taxicab Killer. Mac refuses, so Reed proceeds to make something up. This whips up hysteria enough that three cabbies murder some random cabbie that they suspect to be the killer, except he was a cop. Considering that bloggers like Charles Johnson made their bones exposing malfeasance in old media, this is Anvilicious with a corrupt anvil. And just to drive it home even further, he's the next victim, or is he? It should be noted that Reed's original role in the series was as Mac's long-lost stepson, so there's definitely other tropes at play here. Still, there's probably a bit of new media hatin' in the mix.

Scroll down to 'Live Action TV' for that.

105 mojo jojo  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 12:50:26am

Guess Who's Coming To Dinner?

Olmert to host European heads supporting truce

Published: 01.18.09, 10:05 / Israel News
Prime Minister Ehud Olmert will host heads of European countries visiting Israel in a show of support of the ceasefire in Gaza.

The leaders of France, Germany, Britain, Spain, the Czech Republic, and Italy will dine at the Prime Minister's Residence after their visit to Egypt. (Roni Sofer)


they should eat shit

106 redc1c4  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 12:51:21am

re: #103 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Mk19 and M209 Grenade launcher, LAW, and SMAW also spring to mind

AFAIK, the LAW has been superseded by the AT-4. the LAW was a crappy weapon, but better than nothing.

also, i believe the SMAW is USMC only.

107 Mauser  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 12:52:32am

re: #97 redc1c4

Too expensive for live-fire practice, disposable, non-reloadable. Not quite the ubiquitous and cheap RPG....

108 freetoken  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 12:52:37am

re: #92 ladycatnip

Not a very good newspaper article, and it does not accurately report what I understand Dr. Hansen has said (in other venues).

If it is of any consolation, the likelihood of any serious (as opposed to nominal) government attempt to stop CO2 emissions getting of the ground is low... and IMO the probability of the world to curtail CO2 output enough to avoid the "business as usual" scenario (with significantly greater atmospheric CO2 by the year 2100) is close to 0.

109 Kragar  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 12:52:39am

re: #106 redc1c4

AFAIK, the LAW has been superseded by the AT-4. the LAW was a crappy weapon, but better than nothing.

also, i believe the SMAW is USMC only.

Correct on both counts, but we had them.

110 blackpajamas  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 12:52:46am

An Act in Vain

Maturity is the ability to do a job without supervision, finish a job once it is started and carry money without spending it. -- Ben Franklin's grandfather

Witness The American Repossession & Redistribution Act of 2009.

"To preserve and create jobs and promote economic recovery"

I can't stop laughing. Don't they know that socialism has already been tried? (do the French look like a successful and prosperous people? (Aside from Ms. Arafat).

"To assist those most impacted by the recession"

Most impacted? What does that mean? Who exactly are the "most impacted"?

How do you and I achieve "most impacted" status?

There is no such thing as an illegal alien anymore, they're just impacted Americans, who just happened to lose their house purchased with zero down based on a blank credit sheet established via fake ID and stolen social security ID, when the mean banks decided to act so vindictively (on behalf of dirty shareholders and mean spirited fiduciaries) and that silly mortgage contract and rule of law thing, to rob them of their entitlement.

"To provide investments needed to increase economic efficiency by spurring technological advances in science and health"

Are yours the only such investments needed?

Can not economic efficiency can't be had without these investments?

Can not we at least have a similar study (using the term 'study' loosely for their dog-roll), whereby we determine how one trillion dollars might be better spent by actual Americans, with real companies, real products, and real plans for future growth, instead of the Congress of Baboons, and their synthetic stimulus -- a slew of cheap money and labor does not a successful business venture make, even the dullest capitalist knows this; with the Messiah thereby excluding himself from that set -- can we not have at least one analogous conservative alternate proposal?

Do Americans deserve so little for their hard earned dollars, and the future purchasing power of those dollars? Does the value of the U.S. dollar deserve so weak of a defense?

Mr. Obama, you were at the Brandenburg gate. You saw the rotting remnants of somebody else's prior attempts at massive "public works" for social and economic stimulus.

Mr. Obama, if you seek financial peace, if you seek true prosperity for the financial markets and our citizens, if you seek economic liberalization: veto that bill.

Mr. Obama, tranquilize those baboons.

(end part1 )

111 ladycatnip  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 12:54:47am

#94 gmsc

...In other words, like western Siberia, the 400 billion tons of methane in permafrost hydrate will gradually melt, and the released methane will speed the melting. The effect of even a couple of billion tons of methane being emitted into the atmosphere each year would be catastrophic...Now that most scientists agree human activity is causing the Earth to warm, the central debate has shifted to when we will pass the tipping point and be helpless to stop the runaway Global Warming.

Actually, it's not human activity that's causing runaway global warming - it's cow flatulence; coupled with all the hot air expelled by these scientists, we now have record spikes in methane levels.

112 LGoPs  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 12:54:59am

re: #106 redc1c4

AFAIK, the LAW has been superseded by the AT-4. the LAW was a crappy weapon, but better than nothing.

also, i believe the SMAW is USMC only.

The LAW was only good for blowing up very small POV's...and generally annoying the enemy and drawing fire.

Now the Javelin is an awesome AT weapon.......

113 Kragar  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 12:56:53am

Against a modern tank, an RPG makes a nice distraction and if you're really lucky, might cause some damage, but its not a tank killer.

114 ladycatnip  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 12:58:02am

#108 freetoken

If it is of any consolation, the likelihood of any serious (as opposed to nominal) government attempt to stop CO2 emissions getting of the ground is low...

Consider me consoled. I was really worried that The One couldn't pull this off.

115 redc1c4  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 12:59:02am

love to stay and discuss all the fun ways to BSU, but i was out with some morons from Ace of Spades and i'm beat.

a little fruitcup fixin and i;m for bed.......

hasta y'all.

L8r!

116 blackpajamas  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 1:00:44am

(start part 2)

And tear down their taxes! Before their madness rolls on:

"To invest in transportation, environmental protection, and other infrastructure that will provide long-term economic benefits"

Since when does environmental protection provide long-term economic benefits?

Hybrid short-bus nature trips from the ghetto to see the majestic wind farms of the Congress chambers, and the hydro-electric plants capturing the natural fury of Ted Kennedy's blender, aren't going to stimulate anything more that the pleasure receptors of the life-support media.

"To stabilize State and local government budgets ..."

So the gov't of California can continue its wastefulness?

California spends over forty billion dollars ($40,000,000,000.00) every year on K-12 day care, calls it education, then demands more every year, to sustain the production of the stupidest kids ever seen in this wealthy of a democratic republic, in the history of mankind.

Even back in 2005, honest men like Tom McClintock warned us of the liberal mania for defending the sacred (but somewhat dull) cow of the flowery tutelage of California's darling snowflakes:

"Across California, children are bringing home notes warning of dire consequences if Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger's scorched-earth budget is approved -- a budget that slashes Proposition 98 public-school spending from $42.2 billion this year all the way down to $44.7 billion next year."

That was in 2005! Those morons have made negative progress in producing more educated students with less money, so they just assume that they're just not spending enough money!

How many billions of dollars does it take to teach algebra?

Ah, but wait, I guess they didn't have the leverage of Messianic wisdom back them:

"Recipients shall also use grant funds in a manner that maximizes job creation and economic benefit"

Since when is the gov't an expert in maximizing economic benefit?

And for whom exactly would the benefit occur? Everyone? Even the people you tax (sooner or later) to obtain the funds?

And what guarantees do they provide that maximization of job creation and maximization of economic benefit shall occur?

How is anyone held accountable without an "Or else" clause?

If someone made your kids stupid, and you neighbor's kids (the ones that play with sharp objects and drugs) then sent you a bill, what would you do?

"Subtitle B -- Accountability In recovery act spending"

It says it will publish details on the "website". It just does not say exactly when. They'll post the details in 2020.

"Each Federal agency shall publish on the website ..."

Federal agency? OK, so non-Federal agencies simply won't report? Anyone besides the feds are off the hook for reporting?

"The name of the person to contact at the agency if there are concerns ..."

Only one person? The Messiah himself!?

(end part 2)

117 redc1c4  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 1:02:42am

re: #113 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Against a modern tank, an RPG makes a nice distraction and if you're really lucky, might cause some damage, but its not a tank killer.

not gonna hunt for it now, but there was a golden BB rpg a few years back that actually penetrated the side skirt and lower hull of an M-1...... the pictures are on the web, but i've never seen a definitive open source report of what/how/why, just conjecture.

118 blackpajamas  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 1:05:07am

(start part 3)

"With respect to funds made available ... the agency or organization shall publish on the website Recovery.org a description of the intended use of the funds ..."

Intended use? How about actual use? Would that be so hard?

" ... including the number of jobs sustained or created".

How exactly does one report the number of jobs created from an intended use of funds? (as opposed to an actual use of funds).

"Proprietary data that is required to be kept confidential under applicable Federal or State law or regulation shall be redacted before posting"

That statement does not mean it can't also be redacted if it's not confidential.

And, who exactly decides what is "confidential"? Who decides what's confidential?

"The ... shall submit quarterly report to Congress detailing the estimate impact of programs under this Act ..."

Estimate?

Yes folks. They will spend trillions of your dollars, and they will give you an ESTIMATE.

It will be an estimate of what your family will still be struggling to pay off 100 years from now.

"There is established a board ... to coordinate oversight of Federal
spending under this Act to prevent waste, fraud, and abuse."

OK, so you stated the purpose of the board, but made no guarantee that the board can actually prevent the waste, fraud, and abuse -- or even give a guarantee that the board itself does not contribute to the waste, fraud, and abuse.

Is it really too much to ask for a statement like, "This board shall prevent waste, oversight, and abuse, and be empowered to immediately bring such waste, oversight, and abuse to an immediate halt, otherwise all recipients are faced with 'X'."

"Each member of the Board shall serve for a term to be determined by the President"

25 years? Life? Until the genetically pioneered "green stimulus" methane-free cows come home?

This is a battle for the value of the dollars you hold now (and expect to hold in the future). They're not just in it just for the buck, they're in it for your buck; and the devaluation of your buck should stop here.

There will only be a small handful of U.S. Presidents remembered in 100 years. The one that will be remembered first will be the one that reduces the size and stink of the government now -- not the One who hyper-inflates it (like a Clintonian financial love toy).

Just remember, any time some liberal says, "Tax the corporations!"

Just politely correct them saying, "You mean, tax the shareholders, like grandma and grandpa."

(end part 3)

119 Mauser  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 1:06:49am

re: #113 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Against a modern tank, an RPG makes a nice distraction and if you're really lucky, might cause some damage, but its not a tank killer.

But it sure does a number on infantry and Blackhawks.

120 Kragar  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 1:07:08am

re: #117 redc1c4

not gonna hunt for it now, but there was a golden BB rpg a few years back that actually penetrated the side skirt and lower hull of an M-1...... the pictures are on the web, but i've never seen a definitive open source report of what/how/why, just conjecture.

Like I said, there is always a chance of "WTF! HOW THE HELL DID THAT HAPPEN?" but 99.9999% of the time, its not going to happen. I heard the same story, where it supposedly pierced the armor, but it failed to stop the tank. Never seen any proof of it.

121 Kragar  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 1:10:12am

re: #119 Mauser

But it sure does a number on infantry and Blackhawks.

We've got other, better tools to do that. You compared it to a TOW, which was designed for anti-armor and the RPG falls far, far short in that category.

122 SFGoth  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 1:11:54am

re: #105 mojo jojo

Guess Who's Coming To Dinner?


they should eat shit

Take the buggers to Sderot.

123 Kragar  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 1:12:15am

FUCKING BBC:

Rocket salvo tests Gaza ceasefire

ITS NOT A TEST! They broke the fucking cease fire.

WTF IS WRONG WITH THESE FUCKING PEOPLE?!

124 Kragar  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 1:13:38am

re: #122 SFGoth

Take the buggers to Sderot.

Dress them up as regular civilians and have them walk the Gaza borders.

125 Mauser  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 1:16:38am

re: #121 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Yeah, I compared it to a TOW, because I figured that was the closest thing. The M203 is a small grenade, and it's purely ballistic. There's a gap between them.

126 SFGoth  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 1:17:02am

During the ride home from the Wine Country, I educated a rather smart and not liberal friend of mine about Israel and the M.E. (he was trying to be even-handed about the situation). He had no idea about what I was telling him, and I think he came away realizing that there ain't no Palestinians, there never will be a country called Palestine (fantasies aside) and it's all the Arabs' fault. This is a guy who's openly pro-IRA too.

127 Mauser  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 1:21:26am

re: #126 SFGoth

The Palestinians basically exist so that the Arab states can attack Israel by proxy and still maintain an air of innocence. Plus, they hate the Palestinians too, and don't mind seeing them killed, in spite of their public complaints about it. Live Palestinians are a weapon against Israel, and dead Palestinians are a weapon against Israel.

128 Kragar  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 1:24:34am

re: #125 Mauser

Yeah, I compared it to a TOW, because I figured that was the closest thing. The M203 is a small grenade, and it's purely ballistic. There's a gap between them.

The Russian Sagger missile is a closer comparison to the TOW. M203 is better for anti-infantry and squad support since an individual can carry more ammo, more versatile types of ammo and it can be used to provide indirect fire.

129 Spare O'Lake  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 1:32:12am
Obama inauguration muslim prayer leader linked to Hamas
Ingrid Mattson, president of the Islamic Society of North America, is one of many religious leaders scheduled to speak at the prayer service at Washington's National Cathedral.
But in 2007 and as recently as last July, federal prosecutors in Dallas filed court documents linking the Plainfield, Indiana-based Islamic society to Hamas, which the US considers a terrorist organization.

Perhaps by Chicago standards this is OK?//

130 Kragar  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 1:34:36am

re: #129 Spare O'Lake

Perhaps by Chicago standards this is OK?//

Come on. Who doesn't have ties to a terrorist organization? Give us a break.

/DNC

131 itellu3times  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 1:40:55am

re: #113 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Against a modern tank, an RPG makes a nice distraction and if you're really lucky, might cause some damage, but its not a tank killer.

I thought there were stories that an RPG stood a nontrivial chance of knocking out an M1 if it hit somewhere in back. The idea was that an M1 was never supposed to be hit by anything in the back, and anyway, it has to exhaust somewhere. They ended up putting some add-on armor back there, a few months into the Iraq war.

But I gather some/all of even the cheap-ass RPGs are shaped charges, and do stand at least a tiny chance of knocking out an M1 from other angles, if they hit just right. That's pretty scary, for what may be about a $200 munition. And the smaller anti-tank rockets can certainly do so, and if they cost 100x or so what an RPG costs, and pretty much take Russian technology and not some back-alley shop in Kabul, they are still easy to transport, easy to hide, easy to fire, and a lot cheaper than their targets.

Shaped charges are just bad news, way too powerful for their size, cost, and complexity.

132 Fenway_Nation  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 1:59:32am

Fe Fi Fo Fum
I smell....fruitcup.

/now available in tainted and untainted.

133 Spare O'Lake  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 1:59:39am

Here is some really good news for Israel, for a change:

Huge Gas Reserves Discovered By Israel Off Haifa
We will no longer be dependent [on foreign sources] for our gas, and will even export. We are dealing with inconceivably huge quantities; Israel now has a solution for the future generations," Tshuva added.

An ecstatic Infrastructures Minister Binyamin Ben-Eliezer said before the weekly cabinet meeting that the discovery was a "historic" one and could "change the face of Israeli industry."

Am Yisrael Chai!

134 littleoldlady  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 2:00:03am

Good morning, afternoon, evening *everyone*!™

Fruitcup is on the buffet ---------------->
Help yourselves!

135 littleoldlady  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 2:00:38am

Need to reboot. BBIAB

136 SFGoth  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 2:00:58am

re: #133 Spare O'Lake

Here is some really good news for Israel, for a change:

Am Yisrael Chai!

How is Israeli chai?

137 wahabicorridor  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 2:01:19am

re: #134 littleoldlady

Good morning, afternoon, evening *everyone*!™

Fruitcup is on the buffet ---------------->
Help yourselves!

test

138 Carl in Jerusalem  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 2:01:27am

Yum, yum! Fruitcup!

139 Carl in Jerusalem  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 2:03:17am

re: #133 Spare O'Lake

Here is some really good news for Israel, for a change:

Am Yisrael Chai!

Yeah, but this means one of the best jokes about Israel is going to go on the shelf (the one about how Moses wandered in the desert with us for 40 years and then brought us to the one country in the area with no oil).

140 Carl in Jerusalem  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 2:03:43am

re: #135 littleoldlady

Need to reboot. BBIAB

Nu? Where are you?

141 BlueCanuck  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 2:04:09am

Good morning littleoldlady. Thanks for the fruitcup. See you when you log back in.

/must be those damn windoze updates thingies.

142 Spare O'Lake  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 2:05:11am

re: #136 SFGoth

How is Israeli chai?

It's deeeeeeeeeeeelish!

143 Carl in Jerusalem  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 2:08:46am

I have to go get some things done. Hate to eat and run but... see you later!

144 Spare O'Lake  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 2:10:22am

re: #139 Carl in Jerusalem

Yeah, but this means one of the best jokes about Israel is going to go on the shelf (the one about how Moses wandered in the desert with us for 40 years and then brought us to the one country in the area with no oil).

LOL. And when Nasser announced in 1967 that he wanted the Jews in the sea, he was actually promoting Israeli energy independence./

145 Mauser  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 2:12:58am

Grrr, Firefox context menus still F-ing up.... makes me want to switch back.

146 little blessing  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 2:16:39am

Just a flyby post as I am exhausted!

We went to the beach and I think the sun has got to me.

G'day everybody.

147 BlueCanuck  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 2:17:09am

re: #146 little blessing

don't forget your fruitcup. :)

/have a good night little blessing.

148 littleoldlady  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 2:17:17am

CARL! :-)

Yay! You're here! How's the "cease fire" going?

/disgustipated!

BlueCanuck! :-)

Exactly that. :-( Updates. Feh.

re: #133 Spare O'Lake

WOWSERS! :-)

149 littleoldlady  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 2:18:13am

little blessing! :-)

WHOOOSH!

Fenway! :-)

150 littleoldlady  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 2:26:03am

Did I do that?

151 BlueCanuck  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 2:31:04am

re: #150 littleoldlady

Did I do that?

Do what?

152 Rune  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 2:33:51am

Zimbabweans starving and dying from disease. The economy in rabbles. All the while Mrs. Mugabe – aka. The First Shopper of Zimbabwe - stays at the luxury Shangri-La hotel in Hong Kong @ £2,000 / night (= 1,7 quadrillion (1,7340,000,000,000,000) Zimbabwean dollars / night).

Before she embarked on her Far East holiday at the beginning of January, Mugabe withdrew US$92,000 from the central bank in Harare, Zimbabwean sources said. Accompanied by her children, she stayed first at the Malaysian island resort of Langkawi. She then moved on to Singapore where she was joined by her husband for a few days.

"diamond-encrusted rings Mugabe was wearing" "Holding a Jimmy Choo-style bag estimated to be worth at least £2,000, and hiding behind Cavalli rhine-stone-framed glasses with a red cashmere shawl over her head"

Mrs Mugabe assaults our photographer outside her luxury Hong Kong hotel

- good to see the Mugabes have their people’s wellbeing first at heart.

153 littleoldlady  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 2:35:25am

re: #151 BlueCanuck

Kill the thread. It's a line from an old sitcom. © Steve Erkel

154 wahabicorridor  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 2:38:05am

ok, whatever Charles did, all the buttons are working properly for me again.

And from the UK, we have this gem.

Muslim civil servant suspended over 'killing British troops is justified' blog

A senior Muslim civil servant has launched an astonishing verbal onslaught against the Government over its response to Israel’s military strikes in Gaza – and has suggested that killing British troops in Iraq is justified.
Treasury official Azad Ali, president of the Civil Service Islamic Society, now faces the sack over the remarks.
Cabinet Secretary Sir Gus O’Donnell – who is the patron of the society – acted immediately after being alerted to the comments by The Mail on Sunday.
Shortly after this newspaper contacted the Cabinet Office, a senior official disclosed that Mr Ali had been suspended for the remarks made on his personal internet blog.

Sacked? I bet he gets a raise.

155 BlueCanuck  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 2:41:27am

re: #153 littleoldlady

Ah yes, I remember faintly that sitcom.

/didn't watch much t.v., much less sitcoms.

156 Fenway_Nation  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 2:42:50am

re: #153 littleoldlady

It's not that old, is it?

/Remember when Carl Winslow shot one of those German terrorists who took over Nakatomi plaza?

157 BlueCanuck  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 2:44:48am

re: #156 Fenway_Nation

Yep, and it is that old. We are talking at least 20 years now.


/Die Hard, good series of movies.
//well except for the second one. . . . ..

158 littleoldlady  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 2:46:00am

re: #156 Fenway_Nation

It's not that old, is it?

It is.

/and we who remember it...ARE. :-/

159 Fenway_Nation  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 2:52:04am

re: #158 littleoldlady

I only remember it because it didn't come on during a school night :P

160 littleoldlady  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 2:54:54am

re: #159 Fenway_Nation

Well, I remember either changing diapers during the show or having my own changed for me.

/that's the beauty of old age.
//selective memory... ;-)

161 songbird  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 3:03:02am

Good morning, Lizards of the Night.

Mr. Songbird made it safely to the NoVA area after two days of hard driving 2000 miles.

162 songbird  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 3:16:06am

Some Peaceful music for the early morning.
I hope this works.

163 Digital Display  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 3:18:44am

re: #161 songbird

Good morning, Lizards of the Night.

Mr. Songbird made it safely to the NoVA area after two days of hard driving 2000 miles.

Good Morning Songbird. Sounds like things are going well for you.

164 songbird  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 3:23:38am

re: #163 HoosierHoops


I'm glad he's safe. We were worried if the 1991 Toyota corolla station wagon would make it and had contingency plans if it didn't. The car ran great. Like the man who sold it to us said - "It will run until you crash it".

Outside of the lack of his presence and company, I should be ok.
Mr. Songbird and I are rather fond of each other and we just have to steel ourselves for the separation. It's all part of the adventure, but this time I get to go to him instead of him coming home to me!

165 Digital Display  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 3:30:20am

re: #164 songbird

I'm glad he's safe. We were worried if the 1991 Toyota corolla station wagon would make it and had contingency plans if it didn't. The car ran great. Like the man who sold it to us said - "It will run until you crash it".

Outside of the lack of his presence and company, I should be ok.
Mr. Songbird and I are rather fond of each other and we just have to steel ourselves for the separation. It's all part of the adventure, but this time I get to go to him instead of him coming home to me!

That's wonderful news.. Did he call and go OMG It's so friggin cold here?
LOL

166 tappin52  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 3:31:26am

Does anyone know why my dingers aren't dinging?

167 tappin52  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 3:32:34am

Wow! Right after I posted that comment the dingy buttons lit up. You guys are good!

168 songbird  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 3:33:43am

re: #165 HoosierHoops

That's wonderful news.. Did he call and go OMG It's so friggin cold here?
LOL

Yes, he did comment about the cold!
He stayed with his mom last night, but will probably stay with his aunt, who has more room in her home.

I'm glad he got there before the inauguration festivities. He still wants to make a dry run to his new place of work in Reston either today or Monday.

We'll be in touch via webcam, e-mail and phone - just like we did when we first met. Did I every tell you that I met Mr. Songbird online in a chat room?

169 yochanan  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 3:33:55am

re: #162 songbird

Some Peaceful music for the early morning.
I hope this works.


very nice INDEED

170 songbird  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 3:34:33am

re: #166 tappin52

Does anyone know why my dingers aren't dinging?

Refresh the whole page and you can ding anything you want!

171 Rustler  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 3:41:52am

re: #159 Fenway_Nation Remeber back when the good shows were pretty much all in the TGIF lineup. family matters,perfect strangers etc.

172 songbird  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 3:41:57am

A little bit of Pachelbel for the early morning.

173 witness  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 3:41:57am

re: #3 gmsc

Wonder what the economy would have been like if there was no WWII?

He wasn't Zero going to invade Pakistan to get Bin-Laden as soon as he came to power?

/Radar has not detected flying pigs yet...

174 Digital Display  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 3:42:14am

re: #168 songbird

Yes, he did comment about the cold!
He stayed with his mom last night, but will probably stay with his aunt, who has more room in her home.

I'm glad he got there before the inauguration festivities. He still wants to make a dry run to his new place of work in Reston either today or Monday.

We'll be in touch via webcam, e-mail and phone - just like we did when we first met. Did I every tell you that I met Mr. Songbird online in a chat room?

I met mrs. hoopster when we were seniors in College.. I thought she was the most beautiful girl in the world...I still can't believe i had the guts to ask her out.

175 freetoken  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 3:45:20am

re: #162 songbird

oohh... ども... much needed this time of the morning...

176 songbird  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 3:46:40am

re: #174 HoosierHoops

I met mrs. hoopster when we were seniors in College.. I thought she was the most beautiful girl in the world...I still can't believe i had the guts to ask her out.

That's awesome! Mr Songbird and I would never have met under normal circumstances as he was a ships officer and I was still a student at NMSU. He had such a command of the English language that I knew there was something amazing about him, and we were totally drawn to each other. When we finally met it was literally love at first sight and it was not until after we met that I discovered the man I loved was actually the Rev. Dr. Songbird. He's a pretty amazing guy. Doctorate in liberal arts and self trained in engineering. His new job is as a Communications Engineer.

By the way, I took the German Exam yesterday and I think I passed it this time.

177 littleoldlady  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 3:47:07am

Oh. (She said. Waking up.) So MNTS and I are watching TCM (Turner Classic Movies) last night when a promo comes on for Guess Who's Coming for Dinner?...which they are showing on TUESDAY.

/cracked us up!

178 shanec99  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 3:48:06am

re: #89 Mauser
The Tow missile does not approximate to an RPG. The Tow is a sophisticated weapon that can be guides to impasct even if the target tries to maneuver away.
The Tow can be mounted on rotary wing aircraft, wheeled vehicles or carried by the infantry. The TOW is a sophisticated weapon.
The range greater than the RPG and the warhead much more deadly.
Comparing a TOW missile and RPG is like comparing a Sun Dial and Rolex... there is simply no comparison.

179 songbird  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 3:48:08am

This is not calm. The Pachelbel Rant!

180 Rustler  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 3:51:55am

re: #89 Mauser
The M3 Carl Gustav Recoilless rifle compare really well to most RPG's the Tow is in another class all together.

181 shanec99  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 3:55:45am

This is the TOW missile.
[Link: www.army-technology.com...]
any comparison to a RPG means the person making the comparison is unfamilliar with arms.

182 Rustler  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 3:56:50am

re: #17 Sharmuta
Yeah but Sauron was defeated by a fat pudgy halfling who perferred food and a nap to moving.

183 Fenway_Nation  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 3:57:22am

I had some friends/drinking buddies point out a few interesting things this week:

One of them was that I would be right at home as a supporting charachter on Cheers, The Simpsons or Family Guy....which I suppose could be taken as a compliment [is there a Manic Beer-Swilling Boston Sports Fanatic Smurf? I'll have to defer to Sharm's expertise next time she's here].

The other was while watching the Bruins/Canadiens game earlier this week, the camera showed some Montreal fans in Boston Garden standing and applauding every time the Canadiens made a big play. I snarled 'What are they still doing alive!? They're in Boston! Just leave one of them alive as a warning for the next batch who's thinking about coming down....'

My much more calm and collected friend turned to me and said 'Lighten up- you're probably going to wind up marrying a Canadiens fan anyway'. During baseball season, he claims I'd probably wind up marrying a Yankees fan....

I kind of/sort of interpeted the Canadiens fan remark as implying I'd marry a Quebecois girl and contemplated 'Spouse with French accent versus spouse with Brooklyn accent- sold, Canadiens'.

Only now...at this late hour....do I realize that Canada also has had same-sex marriges for awhile, which kinda burst my bubble of the affectionate, perky, buxom [not to mention fictitous] blonde fiancee in a tight Saku Koivu away jersey with le accent exotique daydream I had going on.....

184 yochanan  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 3:57:56am

re: #179 songbird

This is not calm. The Pachelbel Rant!


once was more than enough of that

185 Fenway_Nation  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 3:59:00am

re: #184 yochanan

If he were around today, would Pachelbel eat at Taco Bell?

/Somebody's gotta...

186 shanec99  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 3:59:30am

The RPG may most closely resemble and compare with a piece of US WWII technology... the Bazooka or M-9 anti-tank rocket launcher.
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

187 Rune  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 3:59:53am

The Dalai Lama, a lifelong champion of non-violence on Saturday candidly stated that terrorism cannot be tackled by applying the principle of ahimsa because the minds of terrorists are closed.
...
He said that the only way to tackle terrorism is through prevention. The head of the Tibetan government-in-exile left the audience stunned when he said "I love President George W Bush." He went on to add how he and the US President instantly struck a chord in their first meeting unlike politicians who take a while to develop close ties.

Dalai Lama: Non-violence can't tackle terror

- The Dali Lama loves President Bush, says terrorists must be dealt with in force. I wonder how the liberals will receive this. With silence probably.

188 Rustler  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 4:00:20am

re: #48 Sharmuta
Seconds after the cease fire basically guns were fired into the air and victory declared.

189 yochanan  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 4:02:59am

Non-violence can't tackle terror: Dalai
The Dalai Lama, a lifelong champion of non-violence on Saturday candidly stated that terrorism cannot be tackled by applying the principle of ahimsa because the minds of terrorists are closed.

"It is difficult to deal with terrorism through non-violence," the Tibetan spiritual leader said delivering the Madhavrao Scindia Memorial Lecture here.

He also termed terrorism as the worst kind of violence which is not carried by a few mad people but by those who are very brilliant and educated.

"They (terrorists) are very brilliant and educated...but a strong ill feeling is bred in them. Their minds are closed," the Dalai Lama said.

He said that the only way to tackle terrorism is through prevention. The head of the Tibetan government-in-exile left the audience stunned when he said "I love President George W Bush." He went on to add how he and the US President instantly struck a chord in their first meeting unlike politicians who take a while to develop close ties.

WOW!

190 Fenway_Nation  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 4:03:27am

re: #187 Rune

The Dali Llama and Archbishop Desmond Tutu are in the middle of getting themselves disinvited from all the best parties of the celebutards by advocating force and confrontation against terrorists and despots.

191 Rustler  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 4:03:31am

re: #186 shanec99 The M3 has been in service since the late 40's or early 50's.

192 yochanan  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 4:04:20am

re: #187 Rune

Dalai Lama: Non-violence can't tackle terror

- The Dali Lama loves President Bush, says terrorists must be dealt with in force. I wonder how the liberals will receive this. With silence probably.

MOONBAT HEADS ARE EXPLODING ALL OVER THE BAY AREA IF THIS EVER MADE IT INTO THE M.S.M.

193 shanec99  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 4:05:10am

re: #187 Rune

Dalai Lama: Non-violence can't tackle terror

- The Dali Lama loves President Bush, says terrorists must be dealt with in force. I wonder how the liberals will receive this. With silence probably.

The Dalai Lama is no fool... hell, he even ran away when the Chinese Communists flattened the Tibetan opposition.
He knows that to stand and pray while other people are shooting at you means that you will eventually become a lifeless collection of organic material that is as easily discarded and forgotten as yesterday's garbage.

194 winston06  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 4:05:26am

greetings & best wishes for all from Istanbul, Turkey.

After the Israel's ceasefire, people here came out to the streets around 2 am and chanted anti-Israeli slogans. Plus they flocked into the mosques praying for Hamas. So much for a NATO member. I wonder what will become of Turkey in 10 yrs. Islamism is in full force here. The secularism is in distress.

195 Rustler  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 4:05:46am

M2 sorry not 3.

196 Rustler  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 4:06:05am
197 winston06  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 4:06:43am

re: #196 Rustler

Swedish weapon. I love it

198 Digital Display  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 4:07:06am

re: #195 Rustler

M2 sorry not 3.

Hi Rustler! nice seeing you..what's up today?

199 Rustler  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 4:07:48am

re: #197 winston06

Used by the US army too mostly just Special ops units tho like Seals rangers, delta, force recon, and Special forces.

200 shanec99  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 4:08:27am

re: #191 Rustler
I know... but some ignorant person compared the TOW to an RPG. I guess that tomorrow they will compare a Roman Chariot to the Joint Strike Fighter.
The order of difference in technology is about as great.

201 akak  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 4:08:31am

re: #194 winston06

greetings & best wishes for all from Istanbul, Turkey.

After the Israel's ceasefire, people here came out to the streets around 2 am and chanted anti-Israeli slogans. Plus they flocked into the mosques praying for Hamas. So much for a NATO member. I wonder what will become of Turkey in 10 yrs. Islamism is in full force here. The secularism is in distress.

What a waste of a great armed force. Send their arms to Australia or Canada or Oakland police dept.

202 Rustler  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 4:08:35am

re: #198 HoosierHoops
Not much no fine motor control today I'm destroying coffee pouches and such left and right. Storm must be moving into the area.

203 yochanan  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 4:08:50am

re: #194 winston06

204 Fenway_Nation  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 4:09:22am

re: #194 winston06


Well....granted I was a little young for it, but what did we lose under Carter that we're continuing to pay the price for to this day?

The Panama Canal and Iran.

What are we going to lose under an 0bama administration?

Seeing the eroision of secularism by the current government, I'm going to have to say 'Turkey'

/trying to think of what 0bama could give away in leiu of the Panama canal

205 yochanan  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 4:11:07am

re: #204 Fenway_Nation

i fear Israel

206 gettinby  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 4:11:13am

re: #204 Fenway_Nation

Alaska.

/Just to teach Gov. Palin a lesson.

Good morning all from a brisk and beautiful Tampa Bay.

207 shanec99  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 4:11:32am

later all.

208 Digital Display  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 4:14:35am

re: #204 Fenway_Nation

Well....granted I was a little young for it, but what did we lose under Carter that we're continuing to pay the price for to this day?

The Panama Canal and Iran.

What are we going to lose under an 0bama administration?

Seeing the eroision of secularism by the current government, I'm going to have to say 'Turkey'

/trying to think of what 0bama could give away in leiu of the Panama canal

Let's face it..we totally scammed the Panama Canal.. It was time to give it back...I blame Carter for a few things..One of the most important was making me embarrassed to be an American during the Hostage crisis..
But noot the Canal..We stole it years ago..and karma said give it the hell back.

209 yochanan  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 4:14:52am

who knew
my cat likes red beans and rice

210 Digital Display  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 4:15:33am

re: #206 gettinby

Alaska.

/Just to teach Gov. Palin a lesson.

Good morning all from a brisk and beautiful Tampa Bay.

Don't you have the SuperBowl in a couple of weeks?

211 Rustler  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 4:15:58am

re: #200 shanec99
Yeah was just trying to get them something still in service that compares and the goose is only one I can think of still in service. It's an oldie but a goodie especially with the newer Munitions for it.

212 callahan23  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 4:16:00am

re: #204 Fenway_Nation

-Taiwan-
to the Chinese
Nations in financial or other distress tend to strike outwards. See Argentina and the Falklands.

Good morning from stormy and rainy western Europe.

213 yochanan  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 4:16:23am

re: #208 HoosierHoops

had to down ding you for that,

214 akak  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 4:19:10am

11 rockets by noon, probably get 20 or more for the day - good idea.

Hopefully southerners will stand up against it.

215 golly_wog  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 4:20:13am

re: #204 Fenway_Nation

trying to think of what 0bama could give away in leiu of the Panama canal

California to Mexico.....Oh, wait..........

/

216 Rustler  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 4:20:19am

re: #214 akak
Cease fire has been violated time for Phase 2 of the Israeli offensive.

217 yochanan  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 4:20:37am

re: #214 akak

11 rockets by noon, probably get 20 or more for the day - good idea.

Hopefully southerners will stand up against it.

KADIMA A HALF AZZED PARTY. DID THE SAME B.S. IN LEBANON

218 gettinby  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 4:21:16am

re: #210 HoosierHoops

Don't you have the SuperBowl in a couple of weeks?

Yes.

If you are coming here for the game, we have a couple of bedrooms available for $1,000 per night.*

*I think that's what the stick-in signs (hand written) state which are all over the area.

219 Rustler  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 4:21:38am

re: #204 Fenway_Nation
Iraq to Iran as a peace offering plus 1/2 of Israel to make up for the JOOish oppresion of Palestine.

220 akak  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 4:21:48am

re: #216 Rustler

Cease fire has been violated time for Phase 2 of the Israeli offensive.

what's that?

221 Digital Display  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 4:21:58am

re: #213 yochanan

had to down ding you for that,

Your OK..I don't mind...It's kind of like Hong Kong..I'm sure the Brits hated giving it up..I mean it's Hong Kong for Gods sake! But the lease was up.
I would rather we show character and lose what wasn't ours than to lack morales and keep what isn't ours..
If you want to down ding me for holding those views..thats cool
but please don't pull out Mandy's clue by 4.. I hear it leaves marks!
Regards

222 DeafDog  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 4:22:33am

re: #187 Rune

Dalai Lama: Non-violence can't tackle terror

- The Dali Lama loves President Bush, says terrorists must be dealt with in force. I wonder how the liberals will receive this. With silence probably.

"That's not the Dali Lama I knew," Obama responded.

223 Kenneth  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 4:23:17am

Huge gas reserves discovered off Haifa


"I have no doubt that this is a holiday for the State of Israel. We will no longer be dependent [on foreign sources] for our gas, and will even export. We are dealing with inconceivably huge quantities; Israel now has a solution for the future generations,"

Good news!

224 yochanan  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 4:23:43am

Having the canal would have been a good check on the TIN POT DICTATOR TO THE SOUTH.

225 Rustler  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 4:23:47am

re: #220 akak
Withdraw from the UN. ////Then restart the ground offensive sending the civilians to a real refugee camp and letting them head out post Invasion to their Muslim Brothers in Syria, Iran, and Egypt.

226 [deleted]  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 4:24:48am
227 Rustler  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 4:24:58am

re: #223 Kenneth
Nah Haifa will be included in the Deal Obama makes for peace with Palestine.

228 gettinby  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 4:25:09am

re: #214 akak

11 rockets by noon, probably get 20 or more for the day - good idea.

Hopefully southerners will stand up against it.

They need a different term instead of 'cease fire.'

/DOES ANYONE KNOW WHAT CEASE MEANS ANYMORE?!
/Dammit anyway - pisses me off. :(

229 Fenway_Nation  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 4:25:10am

re: #205 yochanan

re: #219 Rustler

re: #212 callahan23

Good god this is sad. You realize that all of us are more or less filling out a dead pool for our erstwhile allies?

230 Kenneth  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 4:25:23am

re: #214 akak

Is that an actual count, just speculation? Olmert said Israel will act again if the rockets don't stop. But will Olmert really do it?

231 callahan23  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 4:26:59am

re: #214 akak

"That makes 12 rockets shot at Israel so far, since Israel's unilateral cease-fire." The Muqata. at 1:59 PM local.

The Israeli public favors with 64% a continuation of 'Operation Cast Lead' while only 23% anre opposing that (Israellycool at 6:10AM local).
GO IDF, go Israel!

232 Digital Display  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 4:27:10am

re: #226 ploome hineni

we 'gave it back' to people who had stolen it before we did?

{Ploome} I dunno.. I suppose another cup of coffee is in order..
Good Morning!

233 gettinby  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 4:27:24am

re: #223 Kenneth

Huge gas reserves discovered off Haifa

Good news!

Excellent!

234 Kenneth  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 4:27:37am

re: #227 Rustler

Actually, the gas field gives Israel a huge new piece of leverage. If Israel can supply all her domestic energy needs and export gas, she won't so beholding to US good will.

235 yochanan  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 4:27:47am

LONG PAST TIME FOR A NEW GOV'T IN ISRAEL

236 Rustler  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 4:27:55am

re: #229 Fenway_Nation
Yes it's sad but I don't trust Obama further than he could throw me. Yes I said further than he could throw me since he's so rail thin trusting him as far as I could throw him may be a significant amount of trust.

237 DeafDog  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 4:30:43am

re: #204 Fenway_Nation


What are we going to lose under an 0bama administration?

Seeing the eroision of secularism by the current government, I'm going to have to say 'Turkey'

/trying to think of what 0bama could give away in leiu of the Panama canal

Here are a few possibilities.....

1. My biggest fear is that he fumbles the ball in Iraq. The situation there is not irreversable,
2. He could give Afghanastan back to the Taliban
3. He could let Iran get Nukes,
4. He could give Georgia, Ukraine, Lithaunia, Latvia or Estonia back to Russia the Soviet Union,
5. He could give the Guantanamo bay base back to Cuba.

238 Digital Display  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 4:31:23am

re: #218 gettinby

Yes.

If you are coming here for the game, we have a couple of bedrooms available for $1,000 per night.*

*I think that's what the stick-in signs (hand written) state which are all over the area.

You know I get lucky every so often..My God Father works for the NFL. Evert so often i get the call before the game..Hey I got an extra ticket get your ass down here..If i make it this year I'll post it here and we can meet up!

239 akak  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 4:31:37am

re: #234 Kenneth

Actually, the gas field gives Israel a huge new piece of leverage. If Israel can supply all her domestic energy needs and export gas, she won't so beholding to US good will.


Nor Russian which could be huge for everyone else nearby.

240 golly_wog  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 4:32:45am

re: #236 Rustler

Yes it's sad but I don't trust Obama further than he could throw me. Yes I said further than he could throw me since he's so rail thin trusting him as far as I could throw him may be a significant amount of trust.

I'd watch that reasoning if I were you. I've seen him fling a huge, heavy bag of S*** from coast to coast.

241 gettinby  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 4:32:57am

re: #238 HoosierHoops

Outstanding!

And, truly, we have a large home with lots of extra space.

You are more than welcome here.

/no charge to lizards.

242 Kenneth  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 4:33:13am

re: #228 gettinby

DOES ANYONE KNOW WHAT CEASE MEANS ANYMORE

Israel called this a 'Unilateral Ceasefire' which by definition means a 'one-sided ceasefire'.

Maybe this gives the IDF an opportunity to see where Hamas has the rest of their rockets hidden?

243 gettinby  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 4:33:41am

re: #238 HoosierHoops

Oh, and since I'm not on LGF much anymore (work schedule), realwest has my email and phone numbers.

244 ryannon  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 4:34:04am

re: #145 Mauser

Grrr, Firefox context menus still F-ing up.... makes me want to switch back.

Try Google Chrome: it works.

245 akak  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 4:34:04am

re: #230 Kenneth

Is that an actual count, just speculation? Olmert said Israel will act again if the rockets don't stop. But will Olmert really do it?

jpost

246 Rustler  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 4:34:28am

re: #240 golly_wog Yeah but I doubt he could even get my fat outta shape ass of the floor. I'm rapidly becoming the Immovable Object.

247 Crux Australis  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 4:36:26am

Will Obama do a Kevin Rudd and go on a huge spending spree for his first 12 months? When he knows he can't afford it?

248 golly_wog  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 4:36:40am

re: #246 Rustler

Yeah but I doubt he could even get my fat outta shape ass of the floor. I'm rapidly becoming the Immovable Object.

Ah yes, but he is the Irresistible Farce.

249 DeafDog  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 4:36:43am

re: #223 Kenneth

Huge gas reserves discovered off Haifa


Good news!

That is good news. And it's also good that Israelis are looking to take advantage of their resources.

Could you imagine how stupid it would be to find such resources, and instead of exploiting them to continue to pay terrorists for the same resources? I can't. That would be really dumb.

What's that, you say? This is exactly what the USA does?

.....nevermind

250 Digital Display  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 4:36:50am

re: #243 gettinby

Oh, and since I'm not on LGF much anymore (work schedule), realwest has my email and phone numbers.

That's great..If I make it RealWest will be my first point of Contact.
I'm already Scamming contacts and tiks for our SB in 2012. LOL

251 Rustler  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 4:37:54am

re: #248 golly_wog
So what happens when an Irresistable Farce meets an Unmoveable Object.

252 Rustler  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 4:39:02am

re: #249 DeafDog
But those poor terrorists need our dollars to continue their war of extermination against the great and small Satans.

253 golly_wog  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 4:39:20am

re: #251 Rustler

So what happens when an Irresistable Farce meets an Unmoveable Object.

A new ID thread?

254 Rustler  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 4:40:27am

re: #253 golly_wog
Or a Nazism thread but oh wait they basically amount to the same thing according to Moonbats.

255 Kenneth  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 4:41:12am

re: #208 HoosierHoops

Let's face it..we totally scammed the Panama Canal.. It was time to give it back...I blame Carter for a few things..One of the most important was making me embarrassed to be an American during the Hostage crisis..
But noot the Canal..We stole it years ago..and karma said give it the hell back.

The US did not steal the canal. The US did annex the territory called Panama from Colombia and set up a new country in the territory. The gov't of the new country of Panama, under direction from the US, then gave the US the right to build & operate the canal and granted US sovereignty to the strip of land around it, called the canal zone. One could argue the land was stolen, but the canal itself was built & paid for by the US.

256 gettinby  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 4:41:44am

re: #242 Kenneth

Israel called this a 'Unilateral Ceasefire' which by definition means a 'one-sided ceasefire'.

Maybe this gives the IDF an opportunity to see where Hamas has the rest of their rockets hidden?

(Writing in new definition of 'unilateral ceasefire' in our large Websters as we post.)

IDF (who seems to have all the brains in the leadership of this wonderful country) is hopefully doing exactly that.

But this also gives the enemy time - not, imho, a good thing to ever give the enemy.

257 DeafDog  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 4:42:51am

re: #252 Rustler

But those poor terrorists need our dollars to continue their war of extermination against the great and small Satans.

You're right. If there's one thing I learned in the 2008 campaign it's that "spreading the wealth" is a key component of of capitalism.

Besides, it's not like we need the money.

What's that, you say? California is going bankrupt?

.....nevermind

258 Kenneth  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 4:42:59am

re: #245 akak

Thanks. I read your other posts, too. I do hope Israel follows through on it and resumes action against Hamas. Otherwise, her credibility suffers and the people of Sderot, etc continue to live under terror.

259 Kenneth  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 4:44:21am

re: #257 DeafDog

What's that, you say? California is going bankrupt?

.....nevermind

See what happens when the gov,t refused to bailout the porn industry?

260 akak  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 4:45:22am

Hamas is stopping the fire ......not holding breath.....!

[Link: www.jpost.com...]

re: #258 Kenneth

Thanks. I read your other posts, too. I do hope Israel follows through on it and resumes action against Hamas. Otherwise, her credibility suffers and the people of Sderot, etc continue to live under terror.

261 Digital Display  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 4:46:17am

re: #255 Kenneth

The US did not steal the canal. The US did annex the territory called Panama from Colombia and set up a new country in the territory. The gov't of the new country of Panama, under direction from the US, then gave the US the right to build & operate the canal and granted US sovereignty to the strip of land around it, called the canal zone. One could argue the land was stolen, but the canal itself was built & paid for by the US.

You could be absolutely correct.. But your not going to down ding me for thinking it was sort of an early 19th century scam? I watched the history channel special on it..and although i think the History Channel has lost all cred with it's UFO shit..
Still..Only America could build the Canal and I'm damn proud of her...
Maybe we should have just leased the operations out to Panama for 99 years...
I dunno..

262 Rustler  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 4:46:59am

re: #259 Kenneth
A bailout wouldn't help the porn industry atm anyway. The porn industry is dying because of the readily available free(virus laden) porn on hte Interweb. Kinda sad the youth went from picking up STD's from hookers to picking up electronic STD's from the free porn industry.

263 Rustler  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 4:48:13am

re: #261 HoosierHoops
I don't mind the handing over of the Canal mangement I do wish however we would have negotiated with Panama to kep the Bases and JWC open down there.

264 DeafDog  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 4:49:25am

re: #262 Rustler

The Porn industry has been outsourced to eastern Europe.

265 winston06  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 4:49:34am

re: #201 akak

Turkey under EU is doomed. Their armed forces can not do &$h^# because the govt wants to join this Eurabian union

266 Kenneth  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 4:49:39am

re: #261 HoosierHoops

I'm not dinging you down at all. I was just being picky about the details. Their was a Panamanian independence movement prior to the US involvement, but the US made it successful, and dictated policy to the newly created gov't. Interesting to compare the Panama to the Suez canal history. Hmmm...

267 winston06  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 4:50:42am

re: #204 Fenway_Nation

Korea? Eastern Europe? Losing Africa to China? Giving up on Iran to appease Ruskies? Obambi is scary

268 BlueCanuck  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 4:51:36am

re: #262 Rustler

But once again, it all boils down to proper protection.

/now how do I put a condom on my internet connection?

269 Rustler  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 4:52:25am

I think I'm going to be researching Cryosleep here for the next 6 months. If I'm successful on animal trials will attepmt a 3 year human trial attempt on myself after the 6 months just so I can wake up in time to vote Against Obama in 2012.

270 Rustler  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 4:53:46am

re: #268 BlueCanuck
No clue everytime I try it I can't connect to the internet and the stench of burning Antispermicidal lube isn't to pleasant.

271 yochanan  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 4:54:07am

If we all moved up to alaska could we keep the federal gov't away for 4 years?

272 Kenneth  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 4:54:10am

re: #256 gettinby

But this also gives the enemy time - not, imho, a good thing to ever give the enemy.

the one good thing is it gives the IDF the time to watch where Hamas moves fighters, commanders and weapons. This allows the IDF to re-target for the next assault. But of course, that's not why the ceasefire has been declared. Let,s hope the gov't doesn't screw up the next step.

273 akak  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 4:54:52am

re: #267 winston06

Korea? Eastern Europe? Losing Africa to China? Giving up on Iran to appease Ruskies? Obambi is scary

He'll restore the reputation around the world!

/good start having HAMAS ISNA lead prayer at his inauguration.

274 Rustler  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 4:56:09am

re: #272 Kenneth
How much we want to bet that when Israel finally retaliates against this new wave of Rocket attacks the MSM blames Israel for violating the cease fire.

275 Rustler  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 4:57:05am

I'm just getting way to cynical lately.

276 Digital Display  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 4:57:50am

re: #266 Kenneth

I'm not dinging you down at all. I was just being picky about the details. Their was a Panamanian independence movement prior to the US involvement, but the US made it successful, and dictated policy to the newly created gov't. Interesting to compare the Panama to the Suez canal history. Hmmm...

You're OK Kenneth.. I was just teasing you alittle.. I got my first downdings for just saying I thought it was right giving land back that we kind of scammed. Maybe we didn't.. But you know..I said in the middle of my post that I have never been so embarrassed as was I in college to have Carter as my President. I expect a 1000 updings for that...
I only tell the truth from my heart..My feelings..My Life..What i view the world as...I never downding a lizard for having a different opinion from me unless it's like i hate america...But other than that...I respect lizard opinions even if i disagree...
Kind regards

277 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 4:57:55am

re: #275 Rustler

I'm just getting way to cynical lately.

You are correctly cynical.

278 Kenneth  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 4:59:57am

re: #276 HoosierHoops

You got updinged for that!

279 Kenneth  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 5:01:38am

Bad karma sucks

Forensic and field reports indicates that Palestinian who died last week after throwing rocks at cars in the Shomron (which resulted in a Settler being mistakenly arrested for murder - but then released after no bullet wounds were found on the victim) actually killed himself.

One of the rocks he threw at a speeding car bounced back and hit him on the head. Now that's poetic.

280 Digital Display  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 5:02:16am

re: #278 Kenneth

You got updinged for that!

Thank you..I owe you a lunch! :)

281 [deleted]  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 5:06:22am
282 yma o hyd  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 5:08:14am

Hiya, Lizard Nation!

Look what I found in the Sunday Times today:

Films that rewrite history, says Antony Beevor, are fatally warping our sense of reality

If that man isn't a Lizard, he ought to be!
Here's a pull quote, from the middle of this opinion piece:

'Studies of internet sites reveal an unholy alliance between left-wing 9/11 conspiracy theorists, right-wing Holocaust deniers and Islamic fundamentalists. Many Muslims throughout the world now believe that no Arabs were involved in 9/11. Significantly, Islamic websites have also been learning from American creationists and have eagerly embraced their theory of intelligent design, which attributes the origin of life to a higher power and opposes theories of natural selection.'

Emphasis by me - I've put it in the spin-off links as well (hint hint!)

283 [deleted]  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 5:09:32am
284 Digital Display  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 5:10:20am

re: #282 yma o hyd

Hiya, Lizard Nation!

Look what I found in the Sunday Times today:

Films that rewrite history, says Antony Beevor, are fatally warping our sense of reality

If that man isn't a Lizard, he ought to be!
Here's a pull quote, from the middle of this opinion piece:

'Studies of internet sites reveal an unholy alliance between left-wing 9/11 conspiracy theorists, right-wing Holocaust deniers and Islamic fundamentalists. Many Muslims throughout the world now believe that no Arabs were involved in 9/11. Significantly, Islamic websites have also been learning from American creationists and have eagerly embraced their theory of intelligent design, which attributes the origin of life to a higher power and opposes theories of natural selection.'

Emphasis by me - I've put it in the spin-off links as well (hint hint!)

{Yma} Good Morning! looks like a good read.. Thanks

285 yma o hyd  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 5:12:12am

re: #284 HoosierHoops

{Yma} Good Morning! looks like a good read.. Thanks

Hiya, {hh}!

Just a bit of light comment.
Beevor wrote books on Stalingrad and the Fall of Berlin, recently. He's got good connections to Russia and is able to use their mostly inaccessible archives.

286 Kenneth  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 5:15:23am

Hamas announces ceasefire in Gaza


The Palestinian militant group Hamas has announced an immediate ceasefire with Israel in Gaza, according to Hamas officials.

The group said it would hold fire for one week so long as Israel withdrew all its forces from the Gaza Strip.

The move comes hours after a unilateral Israeli ceasefire came into effect.

The cessation of hostilities was put under strain by fresh rocket fire into Israel and an Israeli air strike on militants in Gaza.

The BBC wins the contest!

287 yma o hyd  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 5:17:29am

You have to hand it to the hamasthugs, they ahve no equal for bare-assed cheek:

Hamas announced an immediate ceasefire by its fighters and allied groups in the Gaza Strip on Sunday, senior Hamas official Ayman Taha told Reuters, adding that the Islamists gave Israel a week to pull out its troops. (Reuters)

So - 12 hours or so after Israel announces its ceasefire, they announce theirs, with conditions!

I pray the oh-so-generous and oh-so-unbiased world leaders will not make this a point Israel has to accept.

I'm beginning to feel sick again ...

288 Rustler  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 5:21:00am

re: #286 Kenneth Ok now that Hamas has agreed to a ceasefire how long til another Rocket blows up in Sderot.

289 yochanan  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 5:21:05am

joe's opinion on israel
[Link: www.jpost.com...]

290 yma o hyd  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 5:21:14am

And here is what Olmert said today:
"The decision on the cease-fire leaves Israel the right to react and renew its military actions if the terror groups continue firing,"

While some of the world leaders gathering to talk about this may agree - I'm sure the MFM won't, nor will they report this.

291 Digital Display  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 5:21:31am

re: #286 Kenneth

Hamas announces ceasefire in Gaza

The BBC wins the contest!

This is surreal..
All this would take is Hamas saying ' I'll tell you what..We will never shoot a rocket at you again..just leave us along.' and never shoot a rocket again and I'm guessing Gaza could pretty much do what they wanted to do..Screw the tunnels..They could have the Holland Tunnel happening..Who really gives a f*ck? This is just surreal in Idiot behavior

292 nature boy  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 5:22:44am

I say Israel uses Hamas tactics now that there's a ceasefire: make tunnels from Israel to the middle of Gaza City. While doing so, move some tanks around above ground to mask the noise. Then, when the terroists start launching rockets again which they inevitably will, pop a few battalions up.

They won't know what hit 'em!

293 nucular_option  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 5:23:48am

It seems the gazacam is now the pali flatline network. Lotsa squiggles on the screen. Is the real gazacam still running?

294 Rustler  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 5:24:01am
The group said the ceasefire would be temporary unless Israel met its long-standing demands.
These include an end to military action, lifting its 19-month blockade of the Gaza Strip and opening border crossings between Gaza and Israel.

So does Israel get to make any demands.

295 Kenneth  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 5:24:12am

re: #282 yma o hyd

Notice the comments section under that excellent essay include a post from a holocaust denial nutter.

296 Digital Display  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 5:24:34am

re: #292 nature boy

I say Israel uses Hamas tactics now that there's a ceasefire: make tunnels from Israel to the middle of Gaza City. While doing so, move some tanks around above ground to mask the noise. Then, when the terroists start launching rockets again which they inevitably will, pop a few battalions up.

They won't know what hit 'em!

You know Hamas? It's just not working for you..One word for you.
Reform

297 DeafDog  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 5:25:26am

I just found this on the spin-off links. It's good stuff.

Real Hero of the NYC USAir incident revealed

298 Rustler  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 5:26:20am

Muslim terrorists are pretty much the only people I know of who lose a war and claim victory only because the other side tires of slaughtering you.

299 Spare O'Lake  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 5:26:22am

re: #287 yma o hyd

So - 12 hours or so after Israel announces its ceasefire, they announce theirs, with conditions!
I pray the oh-so-generous and oh-so-unbiased world leaders will not make this a point Israel has to accept.
I'm beginning to feel sick again ...

You may as well pray for the earth to stand still.
*pass me one of those barf-bags*

300 Digital Display  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 5:26:23am

re: #297 DeafDog

I just found this on the spin-off links. It's good stuff.

Real Hero of the NYC USAir incident revealed

That was great!

301 DeafDog  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 5:27:38am

re: #296 HoosierHoops

You know Hamas? It's just not working for you..One word for you.
Reform

Just one word, go with this one

"Nuts"

302 Digital Display  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 5:30:09am

re: #301 DeafDog

Just one word, go with this one

"Nuts"

So the whole strap a bomb on the kid and sent him out for pizza isn't working?
you are correct..Nuts is a fitting word

303 Rustler  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 5:30:39am

re: #295 Kenneth

Also a guy claiming that those who most loudly disparage the Conspiracy theory have the least evidence.

304 Rustler  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 5:31:07am

re: #303 Rustler

Those who most loudly disparage 'conspiracy theory' are most often the ones with the least knowledge of the actual evidence being presented.

Chuck, Detroit, MI, USA

305 Rustler  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 5:32:37am
With respect to the Holocaust, so called 'normal standards of evidence' have never been employed. All we have to go by is increasingly unverifiable 'eyewitness' accounts. There is no actual physical evidence that the Holocaust occurred in the manner described by Western history books.

Brian Radford, Melbourne, Australia


///There is no evidence all the Jews in mass graves were mistreated they just died of natural causes.

306 Kenneth  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 5:33:03am

re: #303 Rustler

Right, 'evidence' like knowing fire doesn't melt steel.

307 Rustler  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 5:34:24am

re: #306 Kenneth

///It's true fire can't hurt steel. Superman is the Man of steel and is fireproof hence all steel is fireproof. You damn Right wing Bush lovers.

308 BlueCanuck  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 5:35:28am

re: #295 Kenneth

Wow, just wow. I guess eyewitness written accounts, photographs, confessions, just aren't good enough any more.

309 yma o hyd  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 5:36:37am

re: #295 Kenneth

Notice the comments section under that excellent essay include a post from a holocaust denial nutter.

A typical comment out of the textbook of the modern moral equivalency.

'We can't know if thats right wht they tell us in the books' - sure, and those eye-witnesses are all Joooos, so why would we believe them ...

So therefore we believe the Islamofascists who deny it all, yeah right!
Thats true balance.

310 nature boy  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 5:37:30am

re: #296 HoosierHoops

You know Hamas? It's just not working for you..One word for you.
Reform

There's only one way to reform Hamas...

311 yma o hyd  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 5:37:41am

re: #296 HoosierHoops

You know Hamas? It's just not working for you..One word for you.
Reform

Heh.
I'd say, do go for self-jihad, Hamas, in the fashion you prefer to use against Israelis and all Jews!

312 MandyManners  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 5:37:48am

For some strange reason, one of the first things I thought about this mroning was Carol Browner. I looked her up on Wiki.

Browner is currently the chair of the Audubon Society; her term expires in 2008.[18] She also joined the board of the Alliance for Climate Protection, an organization founded by Gore in 2006.[17] In 2008 she joined the board of APX, Inc., which specialzes in environmental commodities markets.[19] She is also on the boards of the Center for American Progress and the League of Conservation Voters.[19]

Browner declared the George W. Bush administration "the worst environmental administration ever."[9] She has said that global warming is “the greatest challenge ever faced”.[12] During the 2008 presidential election, Browner was a strong supporter of Hillary Rodham Clinton's bid for the Democratic nomination.[9] After that failed, she campaigned for Barack Obama in several battleground states and in League of Conservation Voters events.[9]

On November 5th, 2008, Browner was named to the advisory board of the Obama-Biden Transition Project.[20] On December 15, 2008, President-elect Barack Obama officially nominated Browner to the position of Assistant to the President for Energy and Climate Change,[21] and she will act as a coordinator for environmental, energy, climate, transport and related matters for the federal government.[1]

Browner's deputy assistant will be Heather Zichal, a former legislative director for Senator John Kerry.[22]

Carol M. Browner, US President-elect Barack Obama's White House coordinator on energy and climate, was a chair of the National Audubon Society and a member of the Board of the Directors of the Center for American Progress, the Alliance for Climate Protection and the League of Conservation Voters despite having no formal education in climatology, meteorology, earth science, or physical science at the University of Florida.[23]

Browner is now married to former Congressman Thomas Joseph Downey. The marriage, his second, her third,[24] took place on June 21, 2007 in Riverhead, New York.[17] Downey heads a lobbying firm that includes clients involved in energy policy.[6

313 Kenneth  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 5:38:29am

re: #305 Rustler

The physical evidence includes stacks of Nazi gov't documents describing in horrific detail exactly what they were doing, the extermination camps, confessions from Nazi part officials, and the human remains of victims.

This is exactly what Beevor was warning against; the destruction of the ability to think by the growth of conspiracy theories.

314 Spare O'Lake  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 5:39:28am

re: #308 BlueCanuck

Wow, just wow. I guess eyewitness written accounts, photographs, confessions, just aren't good enough any more.

Denial of scientifically proven facts is not possible.
ummm...errrrrr...
...never mind./

315 Rustler  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 5:40:16am

re: #313 Kenneth
///But all those documents were just lies tryting to turn the Greatest man to live Adolf Hitler into a Monster.

316 Digital Display  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 5:40:29am

re: #312 MandyManners

Good Morning Mandy

317 yma o hyd  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 5:40:50am

re: #308 BlueCanuck

Wow, just wow. I guess eyewitness written accounts, photographs, confessions, just aren't good enough any more.

Nope - they're useless if their content runs against your 'feeeeelings'!

If thruthiness feels right for you its gotta be right/true - actual, proven truth is such an old-fashioned concept.

/

318 MandyManners  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 5:41:46am

Center for American Progress.

The Center for American Progress was criticized by conservative commentators for its 2007 report titled "The Structural Imbalance of Political Talk Radio."[12] The report states: "out of 257 news/talk stations owned by the top five commercial station owners reveals that 91 percent of the total weekday talk radio programming is conservative, and 9 percent is progressive." The report did not include analysis of the content of other radio providers, such as universities and public radio. The report suggests three steps to increase progressive radio voices in talk radio: restoring local and national caps on the ownership of commercial radio stations; ensuring greater local accountability over radio licensing; and require commercial owners who fail to abide by enforceable public interest obligations to
pay a fee to support public broadcasting.

In response to the report, conservatives Rich Lowry, Alan Sears, and Paul Weyrich wrote opinion pieces for townhall.com contending that there are and have been many outlets for liberal voices in talk radio, including National Public Radio and, until recently, Air America Radio. They wrote that previous attempts to create "balance" on talk radio, such as The Fairness Doctrine, violate the First Amendment by restricting free speech (despite the fact that the report specifically advises against renewing the Fairness Doctrine).[13][14][15]


A report from the Center for American Progress concludes that a $100 billion federal investment in clean energy technologies over 2009 and 2010 would yield 2 million new U.S. jobs, cutting the unemployment rate by 1.3% and put the nation on a path toward a low-carbon economy. The report, prepared by the Political Economy Research Institute at the University of Massachusetts, proposes $50 billion in tax credits for energy efficiency retrofits and renewable energy systems; $46 billion in direct government spending for public building retrofits, mass transit, freight rail, smart electrical grid systems, and renewable energy systems; and $4 billion for federal loan guarantees to help finance building retrofits and renewable energy projects. The Center believes that clean energy investments would yield about 300,000 more jobs than if the same funds were distributed among U.S. taxpayers. The clean energy investments would also have the added benefits of lower home energy bills and reduced prices for non-renewable energy sources, due to the reduced consumption of those energy sources.[16]

Who funds it?

Major individual donors include George Soros, Peter Lewis, Steve Bing, and Herb Sandler. The Center receives undisclosed sums from corporate donors.

319 Rustler  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 5:42:48am

re: #313 Kenneth
I was only pointing out the Mass graves since apparently eye witness accounts weren't credible according to the poster on Beevor's article.

320 yma o hyd  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 5:42:52am

re: #313 Kenneth

The physical evidence includes stacks of Nazi gov't documents describing in horrific detail exactly what they were doing, the extermination camps, confessions from Nazi part officials, and the human remains of victims.

This is exactly what Beevor was warning against; the destruction of the ability to think by the growth of conspiracy theories.

Aww - thinking is also such an old-fashioned concept! Above all, it involves actual mental effort and work, can't have that! Especially not if it runs counter to my feeeeelings!

/

321 MandyManners  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 5:43:08am

re: #316 HoosierHoops

Good Morning Mandy

Good morning, HH!

322 Rustler  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 5:43:11am

Morning Mandy.

323 winston06  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 5:44:11am

re: #273 akak

We should be vigilant. Obambi will sell out all of us and throw the whole nation under the bus if need be. he's a fake pol

324 MandyManners  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 5:44:50am

re: #322 Rustler

Morning Mandy.

Morning, Rustler! Are you still in high school?

325 MandyManners  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 5:45:27am

Browner's married to a man who will make money off of global-warming hype.

326 Rustler  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 5:45:36am

re: #324 MandyManners
Not for about a dozen years.

327 MandyManners  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 5:46:13am

re: #326 Rustler

Not for about a dozen years.

Oops.

328 Rustler  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 5:46:59am

My grammar sometimes seems like it I'm sure however, and I'm a big kid at heart so I behave Juvinilely occasionally tho.

329 Kenneth  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 5:47:17am

Two seperate ceasefires:

Damascus-based Hamas leader Khaled Mashaal announced on Syrian television on Sunday afternoon that the Islamic group would implement a cease-fire in which they would halt all military activity and give IDF troops one week to pull out of the Gaza Strip.

According to the statement, Israel must end the blockade and open the border crossing

Meanwhile,

The two cease-fires do not appear to be coordinated with each other, and have contradicting demands. While Israel said it would halt all military activity, it said it would maintain its presence in Gaza until it was clear that Palestinian gunmen would honor the calm.

In addition, Israel said it would not open any border crossings until all hostilities have ceased.

330 rightside  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 5:47:40am

re: #3 gmsc

upding, and saved to my favorites!

331 Spare O'Lake  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 5:47:46am

re: #313 Kenneth

The physical evidence includes stacks of Nazi gov't documents describing in horrific detail exactly what they were doing, the extermination camps, confessions from Nazi part officials, and the human remains of victims.

It's just a theory, and the believers in holocaustism are just as gullible and dishonest as those ape-headed evolutionists.
/////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////

332 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 5:48:01am

re: #327 MandyManners

Oops.

I get peoples sex & ages & geography wrong here all the time. The only way to fix it is to sign off each comment with...

FBV
Male
46
SW Virginia

333 Digital Display  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 5:48:07am

re: #321 MandyManners

Good morning, HH!

So lets do an early morning poll.. Am i a selfish bastard if i don't make breakfast this morning cause we got in a 3am and I've been up since 6am?
Cause if I wait till Mrs. Hoopster wakes up I know its really going to be good..
Otherwise ..after raising 5 kids they still don't trust me in the kitchen..although I do a mean Mac and cheese..LOL
Think I'm still a little drunk Mandy...

334 MandyManners  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 5:48:29am

re: #328 Rustler

My grammar sometimes seems like it I'm sure however, and I'm a big kid at heart so I behave Juvinilely occasionally tho.

I thought that you were much younger 'cause you're Rancher's son.

335 freetoken  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 5:48:59am

re: #312 MandyManners

"despite having no formal education in climatology, meteorology, earth science, or physical science at the University of Florida"

Which is why she is the coordinator/assistant for Obama... she is the liason, so to speak, between many groups and the President. The Science Advisor, the EPA head, and the Sec. Energy are the scientists... Browner is the politician.

336 MandyManners  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 5:49:08am

re: #333 HoosierHoops

So lets do an early morning poll.. Am i a selfish bastard if i don't make breakfast this morning cause we got in a 3am and I've been up since 6am?
Cause if I wait till Mrs. Hoopster wakes up I know its really going to be good..
Otherwise ..after raising 5 kids they still don't trust me in the kitchen..although I do a mean Mac and cheese..LOL
Think I'm still a little drunk Mandy...

Three hours sleep? Probably.

337 Rustler  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 5:49:24am

re: #333 HoosierHoops Pretend you just got up and are preparing to nmake breasfast when Mrs. Hoops gets up and let her take over.

338 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 5:49:28am

re: #333 HoosierHoops

Vern Troyer is a little drunk; from what I've heard.

339 MandyManners  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 5:49:51am

re: #335 freetoken

Which is why she is the coordinator/assistant for Obama... she is the liason, so to speak, between many groups and the President. The Science Advisor, the EPA head, and the Sec. Energy are the scientists... Browner is the politician.

She's more than that. She has a vested interest in global-warming hype.

340 Rustler  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 5:50:39am

re: #334 MandyManners
Rancher still has some Cave paintings of himself on Mammoth hunts.

341 MandyManners  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 5:51:04am

re: #340 Rustler

Rancher still has some Cave paintings of himself on Mammoth hunts.

Thanks for the smile!

342 yma o hyd  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 5:51:25am

As we'll shortly be bombarded with the images of 'scenes of unimaginable destruction by the IDF' in our esteemed MFM, decorated with hordes of 'suffering' Arabs - 100% male! - in Gaza, I thought you might like to have a look at some old scenes of unimaginable destruction, and how people ( nearly 100% women) dealt with it here and here.

343 formercorpsman  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 5:52:35am

If I had this person in front of me, I would slap them.

[Link: www.guardian.co.uk...]

For the first time ever, (I have now been in my house over 12 years) my pipes froze this morning.

New house, 2X6 construction, insulated, etc.

344 Rustler  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 5:53:22am

re: #343 formercorpsman
Get in Line Corpsman maybe everyone ahead of you will save you a piece.

345 rightside  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 5:53:34am

re: #332 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I get peoples sex & ages & geography wrong here all the time. The only way to fix it is to sign off each comment with...

FBV
Male
46
SW Virginia

please, no a/s/l here!

346 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 5:54:05am

re: #345 rightside

please, no a/s/l here!

Zackery.

347 MandyManners  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 5:54:19am

re: #342 yma o hyd

As we'll shortly be bombarded with the images of 'scenes of unimaginable destruction by the IDF' in our esteemed MFM, decorated with hordes of 'suffering' Arabs - 100% male! - in Gaza, I thought you might like to have a look at some old scenes of unimaginable destruction, and how people ( nearly 100% women) dealt with it here and here.

What about women injured in Gaza? Does Islam forbid male doctors from treating them? How many have died because of that?

348 yma o hyd  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 5:54:33am

re: #333 HoosierHoops

Heh - burn some toast - that'll get them into the kitchen very quickly indeed!

:-))

349 Rustler  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 5:54:55am
Hansen - head of the Goddard Institute of Space Studies and winner of the WWF's top conservation award - first warned Earth was in danger from climate change in 1988 and has been the victim of several unsuccessful attempts by the White House administration of George Bush to silence his views.

Wtf unsuccessful the only people who still beleive this bs couldn't figure their way out of a wet paper bag.

Rustler 29 NM

350 MandyManners  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 5:55:30am

re: #343 formercorpsman

If I had this person in front of me, I would slap them.

[Link: www.guardian.co.uk...]

For the first time ever, (I have now been in my house over 12 years) my pipes froze this morning.

New house, 2X6 construction, insulated, etc.

Why didn't McKie do an Internet search on Hanson?

351 Digital Display  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 5:55:47am

re: #337 Rustler

Pretend you just got up and are preparing to nmake breasfast when Mrs. Hoops gets up and let her take over.

LOL
never did that before...
I often tease..But I am married to the most wonderful woman in the world.

352 yma o hyd  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 5:56:09am

re: #343 formercorpsman

If I had this person in front of me, I would slap them.

[Link: www.guardian.co.uk...]

For the first time ever, (I have now been in my house over 12 years) my pipes froze this morning.

New house, 2X6 construction, insulated, etc.

Oh thats dreadful! Can you thaw them, gently?
You have all my sympathy!

353 formercorpsman  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 5:56:24am

re: #344 Rustler

Click on the link, and see what the first line of the story is.

354 Cathypop  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 5:56:51am

re: #333 HoosierHoops

So lets do an early morning poll.. Am i a selfish bastard if i don't make breakfast this morning cause we got in a 3am and I've been up since 6am?
Cause if I wait till Mrs. Hoopster wakes up I know its really going to be good..
Otherwise ..after raising 5 kids they still don't trust me in the kitchen..although I do a mean Mac and cheese..LOL
Think I'm still a little drunk Mandy...


Heading out to get a newspaper. Wish I could bring you a box of donuts to quiet the kids

355 rightside  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 5:57:11am

re: #343 formercorpsman

God help us if he has to save us. What the hell does a lawyer know about planetary climate?

But, they are just setting him up for praise. Since nothing will change in for years, they can then rightfully claim the messiah's policies saved the planet from incineration.

356 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 5:57:13am

re: #351 HoosierHoops

That is sweet. My wife is a mean old snake.

357 MandyManners  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 5:57:23am

Between Browner and Hansen, Soros is all over this climate hype.

358 formercorpsman  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 5:58:42am

re: #350 MandyManners

It blows my mind.

359 Cathypop  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 5:58:43am

re: #357 MandyManners

Between Browner and Hansen, Soros is all over this climate hype.

Follow the money. That is what they are after. Ass-wipes!

360 yma o hyd  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 5:58:54am

re: #347 MandyManners

What about women injured in Gaza? Does Islam forbid male doctors from treating them? How many have died because of that?

How shall we ever know?
The MFM won't get the numbers because they don't do proper reporting any longer - so my guess is that overnight there will have been 600 dead women and 600 dead children, all 'murdered' by the IDF.

No hamasthug ever died ... thats Israeli propaganda.

/

361 Digital Display  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 6:00:10am

re: #356 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

That is sweet. My wife is a mean old snake.

shhh..I have to say that..she reads LGF

362 Rustler  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 6:00:12am

re: #360 yma o hyd
Hamas was already claiming they lost less men than the IDF did only 13 confirmed IDF causalties and approx 1300 dead GAzans means close to 1300 dead innocents at IDF hands.

363 MandyManners  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 6:00:24am

re: #358 formercorpsman

It blows my mind.

McKie either knows about tats or refuses to learn.

364 formercorpsman  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 6:00:58am

re: #352 yma o hyd

We'll get there, I have actually had plenty of practice in other settings.

I swear, it is some kind of divine finger jab in my side.

My toilet would not flush, the sink would not go on, and the first article I read this morning is that.

Lord help us.

365 MandyManners  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 6:01:03am

re: #359 Cathypop

Follow the money. That is what they are after. Ass-wipes!

And, Browner's hubby.

366 MandyManners  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 6:01:24am

re: #363 MandyManners

McKie either knows about tats or refuses to learn.

THAT.

367 yma o hyd  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 6:02:02am

re: #361 HoosierHoops

shhh..I have to say that..she reads LGF

Hiya, Mrs HoosierHoops!

i hope you had a good night's sleep - and that somehow your good husband is making you the most wonderful breakfast right now!

368 Rustler  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 6:02:09am

re: #353 formercorpsman
Clicked it and my belief is Obama couldn't even fix lunch much less the world.

369 formercorpsman  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 6:02:52am

re: #355 rightside

I don't even really have words to put to it.

Could it be, so many people have lost the ability to actually think critically?

370 yma o hyd  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 6:03:05am

re: #362 Rustler

Hamas was already claiming they lost less men than the IDF did only 13 confirmed IDF causalties and approx 1300 dead GAzans means close to 1300 dead innocents at IDF hands.

Just so!

See - writing hamasthug propaganda isn't so difficult, even the MFM can do it!

371 Rustler  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 6:03:07am

re: #364 formercorpsman
Gonna be a waist deep in shit before noon kinda day I guess corpsman.

372 formercorpsman  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 6:03:56am

re: #368 Rustler

Listen, lunch no. But don't take anything from his abilities. He did pour syrup on his waffle.

373 yma o hyd  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 6:04:28am

re: #364 formercorpsman

We'll get there, I have actually had plenty of practice in other settings.

I swear, it is some kind of divine finger jab in my side.

My toilet would not flush, the sink would not go on, and the first article I read this morning is that.

Lord help us.

He assuredly helps those who help themselves - and disbelieving the thoroughly discredited globull warming stories falls under 'helping oneself', surely!

374 Rustler  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 6:04:44am

re: #372 formercorpsman
Yeah but WAB had to butter em up and cut them after.

375 MandyManners  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 6:04:52am

re: #360 yma o hyd

How shall we ever know?
The MFM won't get the numbers because they don't do proper reporting any longer - so my guess is that overnight there will have been 600 dead women and 600 dead children, all 'murdered' by the IDF.

No hamasthug ever died ... thats Israeli propaganda.

/

I wonder how many women, children and non-Hamas men have died due to mishandling by the ambulance crews. Someone remarked yesterday that the crews seem to have no concept of how to handle a body, no compassion. I then remarked that Islam has no concept of individualism, that it's Communism on blotter acid.

376 formercorpsman  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 6:05:11am

re: #371 Rustler

It seems like it.

I actually think they will be ok. THe only issues with PVC, is the crack when the ice expands, and then we are ripping out drywall.

I hope it don't come to that.

377 Kenneth  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 6:05:47am

Nazi revisionism in the movies,

It is claimed that the character of Hanna Schmitz played by English actress Kate Winslet in the critically-acclaimed The Reader is based on Ilse Koch, "The Beast of Buchenwald. In 1937 she came to Buchenwald not as a guard, but as the wife of the commandant.

It was alleged there that, under the influence of her husband, she began torturing the inmates of the camp. It was alleged that she would often force prisoners to rape one another in plain sight and would later be disciplined by Nazi authorities for her sexual eccentricities.

Koch had selected inmates with interesting tattoos to be killed so that their skins could be made into lampshades for her home.

Now I know I won't be seeing the movie The Reader, no matter how much Kate Winslet is nude.

378 MandyManners  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 6:06:37am

re: #374 Rustler

Yeah but WAB had to butter em up and cut them after.

Did she have to wipe his wips wif his bibby-wibby?

379 Rustler  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 6:07:15am

re: #378 MandyManners Nah his ears were a syrupy mess tho as they intercepted most of the splashes.

380 Kenneth  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 6:07:17am

link... [Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

381 yma o hyd  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 6:07:31am

re: #369 formercorpsman

I don't even really have words to put to it.

Could it be, so many people have lost the ability to actually think critically?

Its worse, actually: more and more people have never been taught to think critically, its looking to become self-perpetuating.

Critical thinking needs to be taught, and it needs to be exercised. Its not inborn, its not genetically predestined. But it does need to be taught, and it needs to be encouraged, from an early age.

How can one teach what one hasn't learned oneself?

382 formercorpsman  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 6:07:39am

re: #357 MandyManners

That is the only answer behind it. I am all for being kind to the environment. But this shit is just out of a movie script.

Nefarious.

Take it easy folks, perhaps later today.

GO EAGLES! (Sorry JWF)

383 MandyManners  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 6:09:37am

re: #379 Rustler

Nah his ears were a syrupy mess tho as they intercepted most of the splashes.

LOL!

384 yma o hyd  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 6:10:27am

re: #375 MandyManners

I wonder how many women, children and non-Hamas men have died due to mishandling by the ambulance crews. Someone remarked yesterday that the crews seem to have no concept of how to handle a body, no compassion. I then remarked that Islam has no concept of individualism, that it's Communism on blotter acid.

More than one would think possible, i believe.
That image from the roostercam the other evening is burned into my mind: hamasthugs handled into an abulance - and they looked well capable of walking - and then cut to a woman being walked by her husband, wounded, staggering - but no ambulance for her, no car.
Mind - was a good photo opp to show the callousness of the IDF, I suppose ...

385 Spare O'Lake  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 6:11:32am

re: #342 yma o hyd

As we'll shortly be bombarded with the images of 'scenes of unimaginable destruction by the IDF' in our esteemed MFM, decorated with hordes of 'suffering' Arabs - 100% male! - in Gaza, I thought you might like to have a look at some old scenes of unimaginable destruction, and how people ( nearly 100% women) dealt with it here and here.

No problem for the Joohaters. They will simply say that two wrongs don't make a right; Dresden, London and Hiroshima were all war crimes; and that finally the nations of the world are at long last going to stop this insanity by making an example of the latest crop of war criminals.
Yup, guess who./

386 MandyManners  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 6:12:17am

re: #382 formercorpsman

That is the only answer behind it. I am all for being kind to the environment. But this shit is just out of a movie script.

Nefarious.

Take it easy folks, perhaps later today.

GO EAGLES! (Sorry JWF)

The education establishment has been sewing the seeds for ages. I think it's now time that the polticians will reap that harvest.

387 Digital Display  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 6:12:36am

re: #367 yma o hyd

Hiya, Mrs HoosierHoops!

i hope you had a good night's sleep - and that somehow your good husband is making you the most wonderful breakfast right now!

We can only pray she never signs up...Then I am so screwed...
Our first date I was so nervious and I'm a super picky eater and of course She is a Jew.The whole kosher thing.. I ordered a plate of mushrooms and she hasn't let me live it down since then...Shhe is my whole life but can you imagine having Jewish in-laws? do you have any idea? I'm going to have fun telling stories for years here...

388 MandyManners  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 6:13:14am

re: #384 yma o hyd

More than one would think possible, i believe.
That image from the roostercam the other evening is burned into my mind: hamasthugs handled into an abulance - and they looked well capable of walking - and then cut to a woman being walked by her husband, wounded, staggering - but no ambulance for her, no car.
Mind - was a good photo opp to show the callousness of the IDF, I suppose ...

At least her husband cared!

389 Rustler  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 6:13:34am

Laters all be safe.

390 MandyManners  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 6:15:08am

Since I was raised in Tennessee, I sometimes follow the news. The failure of the retaining pond at a coal electricity plant lead to the spillage of a lot of nasty stuff. The EPA has latched on to this and I think it will be a front for CBBHO to damage the coal industry.

391 sattv4u2  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 6:15:22am

re: #388 MandyManners

At least her husband cared!

Or maybe he was keeping her close to push in front of him for INCOMING!

392 Kenneth  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 6:15:26am

AP headline lies:

Palestinians in Gaza, Israel agree to cease-fire

Israeli government spokesman Mark Regev would not say what level of violence would provoke Israel to call off the cease-fire.

There was no agreement. Israel announced a unilateral ceasefire. 12 hours later Hamas announced their own version of a ceasefire. Each side announced their own set of conditions which conflict with the other. Hamas has already violated the ceasefire by launching more than a dozen rockets at Israel.

393 MandyManners  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 6:15:31am

Gotta' rouse The Kid for church. bbiaw

394 3 wood  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 6:17:05am

Good morning.

We hare having a heat wave, it's up to 20 degrees here

Things I miss:

1. Ronald Reagan in the White House.
2. A pitcher being able to work the inside corner of the strike zone without being called for throwing at the hitter standing on the plate.
3. Being able to rush the QB and actually play defense on a receiver in the NFL.
and

4. Global warming

395 yma o hyd  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 6:17:46am

re: #377 Kenneth

It is for that reason that I didn't read the book, nor shall I watch the film.

I abhor these revisionist attempts whicht ry to find some tin hint of common humanity in these Nazi beasts.
Yes, they were human, and yes, we all might fall into this abyss of inhumanity, given the right circumstances.

That means its for us to beware - but its not for us, a later generation, to look for shared traits in order to fabicate some sort of forgiveness.
The only people who can speak of forgiveness are those who went through the torture of those camps - and if they cannot forgive, then so be it.

All these revisionist attempts are in fact an attempt at downplaying the suffering and even the humanity of the victims.

396 Digital Display  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 6:19:05am

re: #390 MandyManners

Since I was raised in Tennessee, I sometimes follow the news. The failure of the retaining pond at a coal electricity plant lead to the spillage of a lot of nasty stuff. The EPA has latched on to this and I think it will be a front for CBBHO to damage the coal industry.

I agree..But there was no excuse for that..none at all..An earthen bearm for that much haz waste..no excuse...
It is a great tragedy for them

397 sattv4u2  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 6:19:41am

re: #394 3 wood

Good morning.

We hare having a heat wave, it's up to 20 degrees here

Things I miss:

1. Ronald Reagan in the White House.
2. A pitcher being able to work the inside corner of the strike zone without being called for throwing at the hitter standing on the plate.
3. Being able to rush the QB and actually play defense on a receiver in the NFL.
and

4. Global warming


5. The Tonight Show with Johnny Carson
6. People walking out of a store holding the door for you as you walk in

398 Ben Hur  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 6:19:42am
Israeli government spokesman Mark Regev would not say what level of violence would provoke Israel to call off the cease-fire.

Wouldn't any level of violence be Hamas calling off the cease fire?

We'll be back.

399 Digital Display  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 6:21:18am

re: #394 3 wood

Good morning.

We hare having a heat wave, it's up to 20 degrees here

Things I miss:

1. Ronald Reagan in the White House.
2. A pitcher being able to work the inside corner of the strike zone without being called for throwing at the hitter standing on the plate.
3. Being able to rush the QB and actually play defense on a receiver in the NFL.
and

4. Global warming

Good Morning 3 wood..

400 yma o hyd  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 6:22:13am

re: #385 Spare O'Lake

No problem for the Joohaters. They will simply say that two wrongs don't make a right; Dresden, London and Hiroshima were all war crimes; and that finally the nations of the world are at long last going to stop this insanity by making an example of the latest crop of war criminals.
Yup, guess who./

Exactly - but lets totally disregard the war crimes of other nations, the ongoing true genocides, like in Darfur, like in Zimbabwe.
Lets forget the war crimes committed in the DR Congo or in Sri Lanka.
These are not committed by you-know-who, and lets be honest: any war crime committed by non-whites is just a cultural thing, nothing to get excited about ...

*spit*

401 DeafDog  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 6:22:17am

re: #394 3 wood

Good morning.

We hare having a heat wave, it's up to 20 degrees here

Things I miss:

1. Ronald Reagan in the White House.
2. A pitcher being able to work the inside corner of the strike zone without being called for throwing at the hitter standing on the plate.
3. Being able to rush the QB and actually play defense on a receiver in the NFL.
and

4. Global warming

I'll see your list and add:
1. People paying back their debts, and expecting to pay their own way and not expecting the government to do it for them,
2. The Baltimore Orioles being good, and
3. Blatantly Pro-American Movies

402 sattv4u2  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 6:23:29am

re: #401 DeafDog

I'll see your list and add:
1. People paying back their debts, and expecting to pay their own way and not expecting the government to do it for them,
2. The Baltimore Orioles being good, and
3. Blatantly Pro-American Movies


now now ,,, lets not turn this into a Sci Fi thread!

(sorry ,,,,,, duckin! )

403 akak  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 6:23:51am

re: #392 Kenneth

AP headline lies:

Palestinians in Gaza, Israel agree to cease-fire


There was no agreement. Israel announced a unilateral ceasefire. 12 hours later Hamas announced their own version of a ceasefire. Each side announced their own set of conditions which conflict with the other. Hamas has already violated the ceasefire by launching more than a dozen rockets at Israel.

Qassam fired after Hamas/ISNA/Islamic Jihad/Holy Land Foundation/unindicted co-conspirator/Obama prayer leader declared pause in fire.

404 MandyManners  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 6:23:57am

re: #396 HoosierHoops

I agree..But there was no excuse for that..none at all..An earthen bearm for that much haz waste..no excuse...
It is a great tragedy for them

From what I've read, the CBBHO plans to go further than insisting on the common-sense solution of better-built storage.

405 yma o hyd  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 6:24:07am

re: #387 HoosierHoops

We can only pray she never signs up...Then I am so screwed...
Our first date I was so nervious and I'm a super picky eater and of course She is a Jew.The whole kosher thing.. I ordered a plate of mushrooms and she hasn't let me live it down since then...Shhe is my whole life but can you imagine having Jewish in-laws? do you have any idea? I'm going to have fun telling stories for years here...

Aww - I don't think you'll be screwed if she signs up - she sounds really nice. And after all - she married you, she'll probably tear any Lizard to pieces who disses you!

406 3 wood  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 6:25:56am

The banks are finally getting around to dealing with their toxic assets.

Citi to be two units, splitting bank from 'toxic' assets
Some analysts worry it won't ward off more government intervention

NEW YORK (MarketWatch) -- Citigroup Inc. said Friday that it will realign into two businesses, in effect reverting back to running a banking business similar to its operations before Sandy Weill and his team turned the company into a "financial supermarket" over the last decade.

The new structure, Citicorp and Citi Holdings will leave the bank operating without the burden of billions of dollars of "toxic assets" -- those assets accumulated during the mortgage bubble, mostly made up of bad home loans and various derivatives.

So they are finally doing now what was supposed to happen all along with this money.

As the banking crisis deepened this week, the idea of a good bank, bad bank solution to the industry's problems re-emerged. Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke floated the idea as one way to pump more capital into banks.

The Wall Street Journal said late Friday that the U.S. government is considering new ways to steady the financial system, including the possible creation of a state-run "bad bank" that would buy troubled assets from struggling lenders.
Officials at the Treasury, Federal Reserve and Federal Deposit Insurance Corp., in consultation with the incoming Obama administration, are discussing a range of options because they realize the banking crisis is larger than originally thought, the newspaper explained.


What they need to do is:

1. Set up a Resolution Trust #2 approach

2. Totally eliminate the 'mark to market' valuing method and shift to net present value of the loan. These houses are long term assets that are not going to just disappear.

3. Reinstitute the"uptick" rule for short sales to stop some of the speculative and, I believe, destructive pounding of stocks by some out there.

407 yma o hyd  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 6:26:51am

re: #388 MandyManners

At least her husband cared!

Cared to have his moment of fame, methinks ... there were photographers about.
I doubt he'd have dragged her down the road otherwise.

(God forgive me, but I feel such rage when I think of how these women are treated, I could cheerfully employ certain rusty implements to remove their wedding vegetables ...)

408 Spare O'Lake  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 6:27:08am

re: #398 Ben Hur

Wouldn't any level of violence be Hamas calling off the cease fire?
We'll be back.

The Israeli ceasefire and the Hamas ceasefire are exactly the same.
The Israeli ceasefire works like this: Israel stops shooting.
The Hamas ceasefire works like this: Israel stops shooting.

409 3 wood  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 6:27:28am

re: #397 sattv4u2

6. People walking out of a store holding the door for you as you walk in

I did that recently at the shopping mall for a lady and got yelled at by her for being a sexist pig, that she can hold her own doors.

410 yma o hyd  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 6:28:17am

re: #392 Kenneth

Why the surprise - its the AP, after all ...

411 MandyManners  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 6:28:23am

re: #407 yma o hyd

Cared to have his moment of fame, methinks ... there were photographers about.
I doubt he'd have dragged her down the road otherwise.

(God forgive me, but I feel such rage when I think of how these women are treated, I could cheerfully employ certain rusty implements to remove their wedding vegetables ...)

How about a plastic spork?!

412 Cathypop  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 6:28:35am

re: #407 yma o hyd

Cared to have his moment of fame, methinks ... there were photographers about.
I doubt he'd have dragged her down the road otherwise.

(God forgive me, but I feel such rage when I think of how these women are treated, I could cheerfully employ certain rusty implements to remove their wedding vegetables ...)


OOOH! Rusty implements. I like that picture.

413 sattv4u2  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 6:28:43am

re: #409 3 wood

I did that recently at the shopping mall for a lady and got yelled at by her for being a sexist pig, that she can hold her own doors.

I'll take that risk. If I get yelled at by one, I just smile and say "Thank you lil lady" (pisses em off even MORE)

414 3 wood  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 6:29:12am

re: #402 sattv4u2

2. The Baltimore Orioles being good, and

Gee, you go wayyy back.

415 Bloodnok  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 6:29:25am

Good Morning all.

416 MandyManners  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 6:29:33am

Maybe I'm going off half-cocked but, I think I'll start collecting links on Soros and the environment. I have the link about Hansen but, with my new knowledge about CAP and Browner's husband, there is a lot more out there.

417 3 wood  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 6:29:42am

re: #399 HoosierHoops

Morning Hoosier

418 MandyManners  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 6:29:49am

bbiab

419 Miss Trixie  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 6:31:04am

&#9834 &#9836 Good morning, {lizards!} &#9836 &#9834

We've a very cold day here in the valley with lots of global warming falling as I speak. Lawdy, I wish spring would hurry up ...

{realwest} Morning, hunnie! *smoochie-smooch*

Now. On to some serious stuff for a moment. There's a bad, evil craziness gripping my country and I'm absolutely livid and scared sick about it. This evil showed itself in my beloved hometown of Calgary and points east in Toronto, Montreal et al. Please see Ezra Levant's page (scroll down after the Jason Kinney post for the chilling details).

A Sunday morning talk show here in Ottawa, Sunnyside Nick hosted by conservative Nick Vandergraagt, will be hosting Ezra at 8 minutes past the next hour (10:08 our time) to discuss this evil and I invite lizards listen in here.

I am livid and must censor myself lest I be banned. Off to see if I can stomach some brekkie and you can be sure I'll tune in to this very, very important discussion.

BBL

420 Digital Display  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 6:31:45am

re: #417 3 wood

Morning Hoosier

Good morning 3 wood..how do you have going to the SB today?

421 DeafDog  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 6:31:49am

re: #402 sattv4u2

now now ,,, lets not turn this into a Sci Fi thread!

(sorry ,,,,,, duckin! )

Here's something to chew on in that regard.

Since Peter Angelos (a trial lawyer) bought the Orioles, they've been a disappointment. Same thing happened to the Redskins when Snyder (a trial lawyer) bought them.

I'm not aware of any successful professional franchise owner who made their cash as a lawyer, but if you have an example, I'll rethink the issue.

I've recently formed a PAC to promote a constitutional amendment to ban lawyers from profesional sports franchise ownership.

422 sattv4u2  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 6:32:27am

re: #414 3 wood

Gee, you go wayyy back.

That I do

6 teams in the NHL
no AFL in football
the NIT was the 'big" tourney in college basketball

423 DeafDog  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 6:33:29am

re: #414 3 wood

Gee, you go wayyy back.

Not so far, but I do remember the Robinson brothers.

424 sattv4u2  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 6:34:07am

re: #423 DeafDog

Not so far, but I do remember the Robinson brothers.

for siblings, they didn't look too much alike!

425 Ben Hur  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 6:34:42am

WABC RADIO NY has been referring to Hamas and OTHER RESISTANCE GROUPS accepting the "cease fire."

426 realwest  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 6:35:15am

Good morning y'all - from a chilly (38 degrees going up to 41 degrees) rainy and damp Charlottte!
How is everyone doing today?

427 DeafDog  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 6:35:35am

re: #424 sattv4u2

for siblings, they didn't look too much alike!

Same bone structure

/

428 sattv4u2  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 6:35:53am

re: #426 realwest

Good morning y'all - from a chilly (38 degrees going up to 41 degrees) rainy and damp Charlottte!
How is everyone doing today?

25 minutes till I get to escape here and get to go home

429 sattv4u2  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 6:36:25am

re: #427 DeafDog

Same bone structure

/

yeah ,, but the eyes were way different!

430 yma o hyd  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 6:36:37am

Some good cartoons at The Muqata

431 realwest  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 6:37:05am

re: #428 sattv4u2
Yea! Good for you! Whatcha gonna do today?

432 yma o hyd  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 6:37:17am

re: #411 MandyManners

How about a plastic spork?!

Too clinical - rusty spork is much much better, trust me!

433 Digital Display  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 6:37:22am

re: #426 realwest

Good morning y'all - from a chilly (38 degrees going up to 41 degrees) rainy and damp Charlottte!
How is everyone doing today?

Wonderful..getting ready for some football....
and some breakfast..but thats a different story..

434 yma o hyd  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 6:39:02am

re: #416 MandyManners

Maybe I'm going off half-cocked but, I think I'll start collecting links on Soros and the environment. I have the link about Hansen but, with my new knowledge about CAP and Browner's husband, there is a lot more out there.

It will be very useful in future, I'm sure - and you remember how we all applauded your sterling work on the $oros-B0 connections during the election campaign!

435 sattv4u2  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 6:39:30am

re: #431 realwest

Yea! Good for you! Whatcha gonna do today?

umm,, lets see ,,, I woke up yesterday at 9:30 a.m. Had breakfast with the family,,, read the paper/ internet news,,,, caught a movie with wife and son ,,,, went home and cooked dinner ,, ate dinner ,,,, watched a show with the wife ,, drove to work ,,,, been at work since 10 last night ,,,

TODAY ,,,, check my eyelids for holes till about 8 tonight!

436 realwest  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 6:39:32am

re: #433 HoosierHoops
Hi ya Hoops! Well I certainly hope your breakfast and getting ready for some football are different!
Do you have favorites in today's games (i.e, who do you think is going to the Super Bowl)?

437 realwest  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 6:40:23am

re: #434 yma o hyd
Hey, good afternoon {yma} how are you today?

438 realwest  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 6:41:18am

re: #435 sattv4u2
"TODAY ,,,, check my eyelids for holes till about 8 tonight!"
Sounds like a plan - a very good plan!

439 sattv4u2  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 6:41:23am

re: #436 realwest

Hi ya Hoops! Well I certainly hope your breakfast and getting ready for some football are different!
Do you have favorites in today's games (i.e, who do you think is going to the Super Bowl)?

I THINK it will be Philly/ Pitts,..... I HOPE it's Philly/ Baltimore (not that I have any great affinity for Philly, but I can't see Arizona being in the Super Bowl after their season!)

440 yma o hyd  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 6:42:13am

re: #426 realwest

Good morning y'all - from a chilly (38 degrees going up to 41 degrees) rainy and damp Charlottte!
How is everyone doing today?

Good morning, {rw}!

Its cold and sunny here - we survived the gales last night, river is pretty impressive, lots of branches on the grounds in the park ...

Otherwise, I'm striving to be c-a-l-m in view of the cease fire and the political shenanigans ...

How are you today?

441 realwest  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 6:42:35am

re: #439 sattv4u2
Huh, well I see it as Arizona vs. the Ravens and the Raven's winning it all. DEFENSE!

442 yma o hyd  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 6:43:13am

re: #437 realwest

Hey, good afternoon {yma} how are you today?

Teeheehee - cross-postings!

Gotta be a sign of good luck!

443 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 6:43:30am

Paving the way for the One to stay in office for as long as His Oneness (and George Soros) wants.
Here

444 Kenneth  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 6:44:12am

re: #395 yma o hyd

A thousand updings to you.

The story in The Reader is that the female character (played by Winslet) was illiterate, so she was somehow forced or tricked into joining the SS. Once there, she was 'caught up' in the nasty business, but didn't sign the orders because she was illiterate. But during her trial, her shame at admitting she was illiterate kept her from giving testimony which could have acquitted her.

Creepy moral equivalence meets trendy social problem of the month ('The Hidden Shame of Adult Illiteracy', it sounds like a truly horrid Oprah segment.)

Are supposed to feel sorry for Hitler because he had only one testicle?

445 MandyManners  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 6:45:02am

re: #432 yma o hyd

Too clinical - rusty spork is much much better, trust me!

A plastic one will take longer.

446 Digital Display  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 6:45:38am

re: #436 realwest

Hi ya Hoops! Well I certainly hope your breakfast and getting ready for some football are different!
Do you have favorites in today's games (i.e, who do you think is going to the Super Bowl)?

Well after our Manning boys are out of the SB..There isn't much left to live for..
I thought about choking on some chips today and praying to gawd my dog saves me...other than that..who is playing again?
LOL

447 Ben Hur  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 6:45:42am

Yeah, because the Germans were illiterate ignoramuses.

That's the ticket.

448 sattv4u2  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 6:46:34am

re: #441 realwest

Huh, well I see it as Arizona vs. the Ravens and the Raven's winning it all. DEFENSE!

gaahhh ,,, I just can't get my brain around a "Super Bowl Champ" that was barley over .500 in the season! Except for Miami in week 2 and Dallas in week 6, I don;t think they beat another + .500 team all year!

449 Unboldened  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 6:47:25am

Quick drive-by linking. Nice to see some real dirt on Hamas and don't believe I've seen it here, though it is a bit old (2 weeks).

'Course, who knows.. maybe it's a "fake", or at least an embellishment or hackup. I'm having a harder and harder time believing anything that comes out of that section of the world. =/

450 realwest  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 6:47:36am

re: #440 yma o hyd
I'm doing just fine today, thank you kindly. You ought not get too worked up over the cease fire - cause it isn't a cease fire; it's just a time period within which Hamas can re-arm, regroup and re-equip itself.
And the political shenanigans here are just that: Truly it IS historic that America will have it's first Black President sworn into office at noon on Tuesday.
Otherwise it's just bread and circuses.

451 sattv4u2  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 6:48:01am

re: #446 HoosierHoops

Well after our Manning boys are out of the SB..There isn't much left to live for..
I thought about choking on some chips today and praying to gawd my dog saves me...other than that..who is playing again?
LOL

hey ,, my "season" ended on what,,the 3rd play of the season!?!?!
(Brady gone for the year,, not that Cassell didn't do an amazing job for them,,, but ya gotta have the Big Dog, right !?!)

452 MandyManners  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 6:48:20am

re: #434 yma o hyd

It will be very useful in future, I'm sure - and you remember how we all applauded your sterling work on the $oros-B0 connections during the election campaign!

Many of my bookmarks are scattered due to my having more than 2,000 total. It's way past time for me to buckle down and clean up the mess. Hours and hours.

453 realwest  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 6:48:35am

re: #442 yma o hyd
Well I think communicating with you is always good luck for me!

454 MandyManners  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 6:49:46am

re: #444 Kenneth

A thousand updings to you.

The story in The Reader is that the female character (played by Winslet) was illiterate, so she was somehow forced or tricked into joining the SS. Once there, she was 'caught up' in the nasty business, but didn't sign the orders because she was illiterate. But during her trial, her shame at admitting she was illiterate kept her from giving testimony which could have acquitted her.

Creepy moral equivalence meets trendy social problem of the month ('The Hidden Shame of Adult Illiteracy', it sounds like a truly horrid Oprah segment.)

Are supposed to feel sorry for Hitler because he had only one testicle?

I read the IMDB summary--she was a pervert of the highest order. Is that addressed in the film?

455 sattv4u2  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 6:50:37am

re: #454 MandyManners

I read the IMDB summary--she was a pervert of the highest order. Is that addressed in the film?

you type that like it's a BAD thing ! I'm wounded !

456 MandyManners  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 6:51:03am

re: #443 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

Paving the way for the One to stay in office for as long as His Oneness (and George Soros) wants.
Here

Gonna' Google Serrano and Soros.

457 yma o hyd  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 6:51:42am

re: #419 Miss Trixie

Thanks for that link, Miss Trixie.

It makes horrendous reading.
Why won't people understand that this is no longer about free speech, or even about antisemitism - its about a culture which has vowed to impose their standards onto ours, by all and any means possible.

458 Ojoe  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 6:51:44am

re: #395 yma o hyd

The revisionism is so bad.

Who will say, in the popular culture, that a Nazi had a choice in life, and chose sin, and went so far down that path that humanity was finally blotted out?

There is a lesson, but it is generally not said.

459 MandyManners  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 6:52:31am

re: #455 sattv4u2

you type that like it's a BAD thing ! I'm wounded !

Um...you might want to read what she did. No laughing matter. Rape.

460 Ben Hur  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 6:52:48am

Ahhh....the British.

They LOVED Suha, yet they hate Mrs Mugabe.

[Link: www.timesonline.co.uk...]

Because the white British have an unbroken historical and cultural presence in Africa since biblical times.

461 DeafDog  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 6:53:03am

re: #448 sattv4u2

Except for Miami in week 2 and Dallas in week 6, I don;t think they beat another + .500 team all year!

Don't forget two impressive playoff wins. If they beat the E's, that would also be impressive.

462 yma o hyd  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 6:54:24am

re: #445 MandyManners

A plastic one will take longer.

Heh - but less danger of secondary blood infection ...

(Yeah - I'm bad, sorry. Why not send Madame Bobitt down there and let her have a go ...)

463 Bloodnok  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 6:54:59am

re: #419 Miss Trixie

&#9834 &#9836 Good morning, {lizards!} &#9836 &#9834

We've a very cold day here in the valley with lots of global warming falling as I speak. Lawdy, I wish spring would hurry up ...

{realwest} Morning, hunnie! *smoochie-smooch*

Now. On to some serious stuff for a moment. There's a bad, evil craziness gripping my country and I'm absolutely livid and scared sick about it. This evil showed itself in my beloved hometown of Calgary and points east in Toronto, Montreal et al. Please see Ezra Levant's page (scroll down after the Jason Kinney post for the chilling details).

A Sunday morning talk show here in Ottawa, Sunnyside Nick hosted by conservative Nick Vandergraagt, will be hosting Ezra at 8 minutes past the next hour (10:08 our time) to discuss this evil and I invite lizards listen in here.

I am livid and must censor myself lest I be banned. Off to see if I can stomach some brekkie and you can be sure I'll tune in to this very, very important discussion.

BBL

Wow, It's a good thing Canuckistan has a Human Rights Council to protect the Jewish neighborhood.

/MASSIVE SARC

464 yma o hyd  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 6:55:40am

re: #450 realwest

I'm doing just fine today, thank you kindly. You ought not get too worked up over the cease fire - cause it isn't a cease fire; it's just a time period within which Hamas can re-arm, regroup and re-equip itself.
And the political shenanigans here are just that: Truly it IS historic that America will have it's first Black President sworn into office at noon on Tuesday.
Otherwise it's just bread and circuses.

Thanks - am calming down a bit now ...

:-)

465 Ben Hur  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 6:55:42am

Tom Hanks Says Mormon Supporters of Proposition 8 'Un-American'

I can't believe Hanks just called all of California's black and Latino communities un-American!

Ever notice that after 8 years of lying about the right calling the left un-American, they do it with impunity?

466 Lincolntf  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 6:55:47am

re: #397 sattv4u2

I know you're talking about the change in umpiring standards re: "throwing at" batters, but Number 2 on your list reminds me of Pedro in his prime. I've never seen a pitcher so slight in build scare the hell out of behemoths like Frank Thomas before or since.

467 MandyManners  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 6:55:53am

re: #456 MandyManners

Gonna' Google Serrano and Soros.

[Link: www.observer.com...]

468 realwest  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 6:57:12am

re: #448 sattv4u2
Hey, once you get into the playoffs, it's how well you're playing as a team that counts - not the season record (e.g., last years NY Giants - wild card, 3 playoff games on the road, winner of the Super Bowl). And even though Eli Manning won SB MVP last year, last year it was the Giants "D" that won the championship.
This year we started out the season without Strahan (all pro defensive end) and Usi Osymora (or however it's spelled) all pro DE getting injured before we even played a single pre-season game and was lost for the season. I honestly think that if we'd had Usi this year, we'd be back in the Super Bowl - but the Giants lost momentum when that idjit Burris shot himself in the leg; other teams were able to play 7-8 players in the box cause the Giants' didn't have a WR who could fly or get seperation. Made it tough on offense so we stumbled our way into the playoffs. Arizona has been raising it's level of play for weeks on end now, getting better and better with every game. Same with the Ravens.
Like I said, I think the SB is gonna be for the birds: the Ravens vs. the Cardinals. With the Ravens the heavy favorites (barring injuries between now and then).

469 Ojoe  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 6:57:37am

re: #465 Ben Hur
Hanks.
Feh.

470 Ben Hur  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 6:58:18am

re: #467 MandyManners

[Link: www.observer.com...]

I'm not too sure that Perlman is a lib.

He's definitely a hawk vis a vis Israel.

He tossed Barkin because she flipped and wouldn't let him hang an American flag off their townhouse.

471 Kenneth  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 6:58:19am

re: #454 MandyManners

I don't think so. The Winslet character originated from the real Nazi, Kock. But in the book, the crimes are less serious than Kock's. You can't have a sympathetic movie if the lead character was a torturer, rapist and lampshade collector. Creepy revisionism.

472 sattv4u2  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 6:58:58am

re: #466 Lincolntf

I know you're talking about the change in umpiring standards re: "throwing at" batters, but Number 2 on your list reminds me of Pedro in his prime. I've never seen a pitcher so slight in build scare the hell out of behemoths like Frank Thomas before or since.

wasn't my list. It was 3-woods from #394. But I do agree about Pedro. All 170 lbs of him throwing darts like that was something

473 yma o hyd  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 6:59:01am

re: #452 MandyManners

Many of my bookmarks are scattered due to my having more than 2,000 total. It's way past time for me to buckle down and clean up the mess. Hours and hours.

Similar story here ...
I look at all the accumulated bookmarks from the election campaign - and then I have a Scarlett O'Hara moment ...

474 Ben Hur  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 6:59:19am

Kock?

475 Kenneth  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 7:00:45am

re: #474 Ben Hur

Oops, my typo. Make that 'Koch'

476 irongrampa  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 7:00:56am

Good morning from the Adirondacks. Just finished with the latest edition of global warming, only 3", kind of a touch-up snow. We look pristine and winter wonderland again.

We'll be missing the Inaugural proceedings, don't need that much workout for the gag reflex. Just after cleaning the snow, I watched a clip of Obama laying a wreath on the tomb of the Unknown Soldier
If there were something other than pure show involved with this and the "train ride", etc, I doubt I'd feel so much disgust. The feeling of "this'll look good, so let's do it" is nearly overwhelming. Does anyone else get this, or am I alone here?

477 MandyManners  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 7:01:31am

re: #470 Ben Hur

I'm not too sure that Perlman is a lib.

He's definitely a hawk vis a vis Israel.

He tossed Barkin because she flipped and wouldn't let him hang an American flag off their townhouse.

Then why donate money to CBBHO's innaguration extravaganza?

478 Bloodnok  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 7:02:13am

re: #476 irongrampa

Good morning from the Adirondacks. Just finished with the latest edition of global warming, only 3", kind of a touch-up snow. We look pristine and winter wonderland again.

We'll be missing the Inaugural proceedings, don't need that much workout for the gag reflex. Just after cleaning the snow, I watched a clip of Obama laying a wreath on the tomb of the Unknown Soldier
If there were something other than pure show involved with this and the "train ride", etc, I doubt I'd feel so much disgust. The feeling of "this'll look good, so let's do it" is nearly overwhelming. Does anyone else get this, or am I alone here?

Did he toss it like the WTC Memorial flowers?

479 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 7:02:18am

re: #456 MandyManners

Gonna' Google Serrano and Soros.

Serrano is a Congress Critter from NY-16.

/can't wait to see the link between the two you find. :-)

480 DeafDog  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 7:02:21am

re: #476 irongrampa

Does anyone else get this, or am I alone here?

Believe me, you are not alone.

481 3 wood  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 7:02:43am

re: #420 HoosierHoops

I have the Cardinals and the Steelers going to the Big Dance.

Shut down Westbrook and the Eagles can't score.

482 Ben Hur  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 7:03:07am

re: #477 MandyManners

Then why donate money to CBBHO's innaguration extravaganza?

Just in case he needs a favor?

I don't know.

I know of some big money dudes that give to both sides.

From what I know he's not a Soros type figure.

483 Ojoe  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 7:03:29am

re: #476 irongrampa

The feeling of "this'll look good, so let's do it" is nearly overwhelming.

Agree.

I hope Obama learns quickly that peace is maintained by strength not idealism.

484 MandyManners  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 7:03:42am

re: #471 Kenneth

I don't think so. The Winslet character originated from the real Nazi, Kock. But in the book, the crimes are less serious than Kock's. You can't have a sympathetic movie if the lead character was a torturer, rapist and lampshade collector. Creepy revisionism.

Oops! I just re-read the IMDB link and it doesn't mention her perversions.

How could the author and screenwriter ignore what she did?

485 yma o hyd  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 7:03:43am

re: #458 Ojoe

The revisionism is so bad.

Who will say, in the popular culture, that a Nazi had a choice in life, and chose sin, and went so far down that path that humanity was finally blotted out?

There is a lesson, but it is generally not said.

You're right - this won't be said.
The reason is that we've been taught, in popular culture as well as in schools and colleges that we don't have choices, our genes/drives 'make us do' things, we can't help ourselves ...

The Christian point of having a free wil, and being able to discern good from evil and making that choice is in the meantime being laughed at - because its Christian ...

486 Ben Hur  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 7:03:47am

re: #475 Kenneth

Oops, my typo. Make that 'Koch'

Well, at least you know that I read your posts very carefully.

487 irongrampa  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 7:03:52am

re: #478 Bloodnok

Not THIS time.

488 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 7:04:27am

re: #467 MandyManners

[Link: www.observer.com...]

Follow the money.

489 Zim  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 7:04:41am
490 3 wood  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 7:04:47am

re: #441 realwest

Good morning real.

I'm using Safari now and I don't have that weird "Pr" thing happening on the end of my messages anymore

491 DeafDog  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 7:04:50am

re: #481 3 wood

I have the Cardinals and the Steelers going to the Big Dance.

Shut down Westbrook and the Eagles can't score.

That is simply not true. The Giants shut down Westbrook last week, but the E's moved the ball effectively and scored more than enough.

492 Ben Hur  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 7:05:05am

re: #484 MandyManners

Oops! I just re-read the IMDB link and it doesn't mention her perversions.

How could the author and screenwriter ignore what she did?

Is there a link about the real character?

Sorry, jumped in late.

I'm getting sick of this revisionism.

From what I understand the Cruise character wasn't such an angel as well.

Read a great article recently on the spate of Nazi movies that humanize these animals.

493 Miss Trixie  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 7:05:12am

Last call to listen to Ezra Levant on the Hamas/Hebullah supporters in Canada.

494 Kenneth  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 7:05:17am

I kissed a Nazi and I liked it
The taste of her cherry nightstick
I kissed a Nazi just to try it
I hope my liberal friends don't mind it
It felt so wrong
It felt so right
Don't mean I'm a Nazi tonight
I kissed a Nazi and I liked it
I liked it

495 Killian Bundy  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 7:05:38am

re: #481 3 wood

Shut down Westbrook and the Eagles can't score.

/apparently you missed the Thanksgiving game

496 Lincolntf  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 7:05:40am

re: #472 sattv4u2

Oops, my mistake.

497 Ojoe  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 7:05:46am

re: #485 yma o hyd

That laughter will have a price.

Well BBL, got to get some stuff done.

& Thanks to the Welsh for Elizabeth Tudor.

498 realwest  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 7:05:53am

re: #465 Ben Hur Hey Ben, good morning, but that's NOT what Tom Hanks said (this made the rounds last weekend; Fox must be so desperate for news that they are re-publishing it with Friday's date line on it). What he said was

“The truth is this takes place in Utah, the truth is these people are some bizarre offshoot of the Mormon Church, and the truth is a lot of Mormons gave a lot of money to the church to make Prop-8 happen,” he told Tarts. “There are a lot of people who feel that is un-American, and I am one of them. I do not like to see any discrimination codified on any piece of paper, any of the 50 states in America, but here's what happens now. A little bit of light can be shed, and people can see who's responsible, and that can motivate the next go around of our self correcting Constitution, and hopefully we can move forward instead of backwards. So let's have faith in not only the American, but Californian, constitutional process.”

[emphasis realwest].
And he's correct; it's the same "offshoot" of the Mormon church that still practices polygamy. And that off-shoot has been roundly condemned and disavowed by the Mormon Church for a loooong time now.

499 MandyManners  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 7:06:02am

re: #473 yma o hyd

Similar story here ...
I look at all the accumulated bookmarks from the election campaign - and then I have a Scarlett O'Hara moment ...

I have some links that I've had since 2006, before I joined LGF. It's gonna' be a bitch to check out those. I wish I could alphabetize them but, I cannot in this version of AOL. I've tried e-mailing them to another account but, that took forever, and when they got shuffled, it was impossible to pick back up.

500 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 7:06:17am

re: #478 Bloodnok

Did he toss it like the WTC Memorial flowers?

Nope, walked it with normal respect. Same, blank look on his face as always throughout.

501 MandyManners  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 7:06:48am

re: #479 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

Serrano is a Congress Critter from NY-16.

/can't wait to see the link between the two you find. :-)

The ties are there but, they're buried.

502 yma o hyd  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 7:07:13am

Just to illustrate what Sharia law, so beloved by the well-meaning all over the world (archbishops included!) means in real life:

Taliban’s deadly ‘justice’ cows Pakistan

It seems we're leaving the 21st Century behind at a great pace ...

503 BlueCanuck  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 7:07:28am

re: #493 Miss Trixie

Up and running. Just counting down the minutes. Was planning on going to the Pro-Israel rally in Toronto, but have a bunch of stuff to do after I get off of work. Unfortunately when I am finished my tasks I will be in the west end of Toronto and tired. :(

504 realwest  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 7:07:39am

re: #469 Ojoe
Hanks was a big time promoter/fund raiser for the WW II Memorial in D.C. - just saying.

505 Bloodnok  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 7:07:48am

re: #497 Ojoe

That laughter will have a price.

Well BBL, got to get some stuff done.

& Thanks to the Welsh for Elizabeth Tudor.

And Catherine Zeta Jones...

506 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 7:07:50am

What is this Winslet SS thing y'all are talking about?

I'm missing something.

507 Killian Bundy  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 7:08:11am

Well, Obama's defiled the Tomb of the Unknown Soldier for no reason other than cynical political calculation. What's next?

/the day's just started

508 3 wood  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 7:08:18am

re: #468 realwest

Like I said, I think the SB is gonna be for the birds: the Ravens vs. the Cardinals. With the Ravens the heavy favorites (barring injuries between now and then).

Could be, but I just do not see how anybody left in the playoffs can cover the Cardinals receivers for 4 quarters.

509 Kenneth  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 7:08:59am

re: #492 Ben Hur

link here [Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

she was an evil monster

510 DeafDog  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 7:09:11am

re: #489 Zim

FYI - The nirth certificate cripe is not welcome here. Obama's a nitwit, but he's an American born nitwit.

511 MandyManners  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 7:09:11am

re: #482 Ben Hur

Just in case he needs a favor?

I don't know.

I know of some big money dudes that give to both sides.

From what I know he's not a Soros type figure.

Then why align himself with Soros? I understand the need to keep a foot in the opposing parties' doors but, whatever happened to principle?

Maybe it's just me but, I've always had a hard time making polite chit-chat with ideological enemies at cocktail parties.

512 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 7:09:40am

re: #501 MandyManners

The ties are there but, they're buried.

I remember there was a website that had that graphic web diagram you could follow around that had all the complex linkages between Obama, Soros, and all those goofy front groups.

Anybody recall that one?

513 MandyManners  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 7:10:02am

re: #488 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

Follow the money.

Yep. I posted that a few minutes ago. Strange bed-fellows.

514 yma o hyd  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 7:10:03am

re: #492 Ben Hur

At the rate Hollywood is going with this revisionism, I bet we'll soon have a film about the heroic life of Osama Bin Laden and his Merry Band ...

Three guesses who'll be the modern Sheriff of Nottingham ...

515 rain of lead  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 7:10:15am

morning lizards,
sorry I missed yesterdays gorebull solar warming update
but here is todays.
sun is still asleep and solar wind output is a dismal 346 km/s

516 realwest  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 7:10:30am

re: #481 3 wood
Good morning 3 wood; well I agree with half of your prediction anyway! LOL!
BTW, when you get a chance, please check your e-mail.
And I see you fixed your browser problems - yea! - what did you do?

517 3 wood  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 7:10:30am

re: #466 Lincolntf

I know you're talking about the change in umpiring standards re: "throwing at" batters, but Number 2 on your list reminds me of Pedro in his prime. I've never seen a pitcher so slight in build scare the hell out of behemoths like Frank Thomas before or since.

I think that was me. What I really miss is a pitcher being able to put one in the ear hole of some prima donna who stands at home plate for 10 minutes grandstanding and admiring a homer then next time they come up.

Do that now and you get suspended for 10 days.

518 Kenneth  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 7:11:45am

re: #506 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

Winslet plays a Nazi war criminal in The Reader. The character was loosely based upon a truly evil monster, Ilsa Koch. The movie version soft peddles her crimes and makes the absurd attempt at sympathy by having the Winslet character be illiterate.

519 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 7:11:49am

re: #517 3 wood

I think that was me. What I really miss is a pitcher being able to put one in the ear hole of some prima donna who stands at home plate for 10 minutes grandstanding and admiring a homer then next time they come up.

Do that now and you get suspended for 10 days.

But it would make for some more respectful players.

520 MandyManners  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 7:11:55am

re: #492 Ben Hur

Is there a link about the real character?

Sorry, jumped in late.

I'm getting sick of this revisionism.

From what I understand the Cruise character wasn't such an angel as well.

Read a great article recently on the spate of Nazi movies that humanize these animals.

Here's IMDB.

521 unclassifiable  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 7:12:04am

re: #481 3 wood

I dunno. I kinda would like to see an all PA Super Bowl of intense hatred. Philly and Pittsburgh in FL. I'm not sure how long it will take the state to recover from that (either FL or PA).

522 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 7:12:43am

re: #518 Kenneth

Winslet plays a Nazi war criminal in The Reader. The character was loosely based upon a truly evil monster, Ilsa Koch. The movie version soft peddles her crimes and makes the absurd attempt at sympathy by having the Winslet character be illiterate.

Thank you. The Reader being a movie that is out now?

/remind me to miss that one, too.

523 3 wood  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 7:12:47am

re: #476 irongrampa

I too will be busy doing other things on Tuesday to watch the festivities.

Like clipping my fingernails.

524 Ben Hur  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 7:13:08am

re: #509 Kenneth

link here [Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

she was an evil monster

I see why they like her.

525 yma o hyd  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 7:13:20am

re: #499 MandyManners

I have some links that I've had since 2006, before I joined LGF. It's gonna' be a bitch to check out those. I wish I could alphabetize them but, I cannot in this version of AOL. I've tried e-mailing them to another account but, that took forever, and when they got shuffled, it was impossible to pick back up.

Heh.
I've got mine in one place - but tis getting totally out of hand, and thats without all the hearted stuff from LGF!

Gotta sit down and do a massive delete ... one day ... soon ... ish ...

526 Bloodnok  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 7:13:46am

re: #523 3 wood

I too will be busy doing other things on Tuesday to watch the festivities.

Like clipping my fingernails.

There's a big puddle in the street that I plan to watch evaporate.

527 MandyManners  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 7:13:54am

re: #512 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

I remember there was a website that had that graphic web diagram you could follow around that had all the complex linkages between Obama, Soros, and all those goofy front groups.

Anybody recall that one?

Discover the Networks.

The graphic is there somewhere.

528 realwest  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 7:14:17am

re: #508 3 wood They won't have to; the Cardinals QB will spend most of the game running for his life! LOL!
Sorta like with the Giants/NE last year - Brady was sacked, iirc, 7 or 8 times and was rushed/hit another dozen or so times.

529 3 wood  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 7:14:26am

re: #519 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

But it would make for some more respectful players.

When I played in college, if you did the slow trot rounding the bases on a tater you got drilled the next time up. No if's ands or buts about it. And you knew it.

530 Ben Hur  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 7:14:27am

re: #520 MandyManners

Here's IMDB.

Not happy to see a picture of Weisel there.

Only lends legitimacy to a historical fabrication.

531 Bloodnok  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 7:14:37am

re: #525 yma o hyd

Heh.

Gotta sit down and do a massive delete ... one day ... soon ... ish ...

You filthy swine!

/

532 Geepers  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 7:14:51am

Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret) (#512),

Discover the Networks

533 Kenneth  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 7:14:51am

re: #522 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

Yes, I was tempted to see it on account of reports that Winslet is very nude in several scenes. Suddenly, that doesn't work for me anymore.

534 yma o hyd  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 7:14:56am

re: #505 Bloodnok

And Catherine Zeta Jones...

Heh - what about Dylan Thomas?
Richard Burton?
Anthony Hopkins?
And the one-and-only Tom Jones?

535 realwest  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 7:15:15am

re: #506 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret) Good morning LT! I'm afraid I have no idea about the Winslett SS character either!

536 unclassifiable  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 7:15:17am

re: #512 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

I think this might be what you are looking for.

537 MandyManners  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 7:15:37am

re: #525 yma o hyd

Heh.
I've got mine in one place - but tis getting totally out of hand, and thats without all the hearted stuff from LGF!

Gotta sit down and do a massive delete ... one day ... soon ... ish ...

Before I delete, I read. That's what's taking time. I'm thinking of using The Kid's Toshiba Satellite to help out.

538 Bloodnok  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 7:15:52am

re: #534 yma o hyd

Heh - what about Dylan Thomas?
Richard Burton?
Anthony Hopkins?
And the one-and-only Tom Jones?

Harry Secombe
Graham Nash
Terry Jones

539 unclassifiable  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 7:15:57am

re: #527 MandyManners

GMTA (well ok one great mind and one looney)

540 Killian Bundy  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 7:16:36am

Why does a President-Elect rate laying a wreath at Arlington?

He wanted to pay respect.

/no, his staff smelled photo op

541 MandyManners  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 7:16:54am

re: #530 Ben Hur

Not happy to see a picture of Weisel there.

Only lends legitimacy to a historical fabrication.

Why did he attend?

542 3 wood  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 7:17:17am

re: #491 DeafDog

That is simply not true. The Giants shut down Westbrook last week, but the E's moved the ball effectively and scored more than enough.

Well, we will see what happens today.

The Giants did not move the ball all that well either.

543 unclassifiable  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 7:17:57am

re: #499 MandyManners

I kept mine on well traveled laptops and well -- they break. So entropy sort of does the job for me.

544 MandyManners  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 7:18:08am

re: #539 unclassifiable

GMTA (well ok one great mind and one looney)

Most of my CBBHO/Soros links are still grouped together near the top and bottom of my bookmarks, making it easy to access them.

545 3 wood  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 7:18:21am

re: #495 Killian Bundy

Westbrook is about 60% of their running game and 25% of their passing game.

546 yma o hyd  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 7:18:26am

re: #531 Bloodnok

You filthy swine!

/

Ahh well, see - I do like piggies, especially now that the whole Ummah hates them.
Very intelligent animals, shame to just kill and eat them.

547 MandyManners  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 7:19:06am

re: #543 unclassifiable

I kept mine on well traveled laptops and well -- they break. So entropy sort of does the job for me.

I save mine to my hard drive so if shit hits the fan with my ISP, they'll still be there.

548 realwest  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 7:19:45am

re: #518 Kenneth
Good morning Kenneth! Her name was Ilse Koch and you can find links to her horridness at wiki: [Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
Where, among other things, she was called the Witch of Buchenwald.

549 3 wood  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 7:19:47am

re: #516 realwest

And I see you fixed your browser problems - yea! - what did you do?

Just switched to using Safari as vxbush suggested.

550 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 7:20:32am

re: #527 MandyManners

That's the one (damn, you are good).

Serrano belongs to four Sorors groups...

Progressive Caucus (Democrat)

American Association for Justice

Out of Iraq Congressional Caucus

Democratic Socialists of America

/all of these being part of the web of La Raza (I think, I find the interface hard to figure out and the search engine wouldn't accept combinations, like Serrano, soros, obama...

551 yma o hyd  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 7:20:40am

re: #537 MandyManners

Before I delete, I read. That's what's taking time. I'm thinking of using The Kid's Toshiba Satellite to help out.

Gawd - no, I'd be far more ruthless: can't recall why i bookmarked it - delete it.
Life's too short ...

552 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 7:21:19am

re: #529 3 wood

When I played in college, if you did the slow trot rounding the bases on a tater you got drilled the next time up. No if's ands or buts about it. And you knew it.

There is a reason guys like Gibson and Ryan were respected... they were not only good, they knew when to be mean.

553 Kenneth  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 7:21:31am

re: #548 realwest

I know, I posted that link in the first place. But thanks anyway ;)

554 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 7:21:33am

re: #546 yma o hyd

Ahh well, see - I do like piggies, especially now that the whole Ummah hates them.
Very intelligent animals, shame to just kill and eat them.

Not to me. I love bacon and and my father loves BBQ Pork.

555 Ben Hur  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 7:21:47am

re: #541 MandyManners

Why did he attend?

I don't know.

I'd love to ask him.

556 Miss Trixie  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 7:22:02am

re: #548 realwest

Good morning Kenneth! Her name was Ilse Koch and you can find links to her horridness at wiki: [Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
Where, among other things, she was called the Witch of Buchenwald.

See my #419

557 unclassifiable  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 7:22:18am
558 MandyManners  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 7:22:20am

re: #550 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

That's the one (damn, you are good).

Serrano belongs to four Sorors groups...

Progressive Caucus (Democrat)

American Association for Justice

Out of Iraq Congressional Caucus

Democratic Socialists of America

/all of these being part of the web of La Raza (I think, I find the interface hard to figure out and the search engine wouldn't accept combinations, like Serrano, soros, obama...

Oh, that's good. I've not found that stuff. Is Serrano a member of Center for American Progress?

559 yma o hyd  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 7:22:29am

re: #538 Bloodnok

Harry Secombe
Graham Nash
Terry Jones

Graham Nash is ENGLISH!

560 MandyManners  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 7:22:55am

re: #551 yma o hyd

Gawd - no, I'd be far more ruthless: can't recall why i bookmarked it - delete it.
Life's too short ...

The thing is, I've often not deleted because the topic still interests me.

561 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 7:22:59am

re: #535 realwest

Morning Real!

Thanks to all who forwarded the linkage website.

/something stinks here...

562 MandyManners  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 7:23:16am

re: #555 Ben Hur

I don't know.

I'd love to ask him.

How about writing him a letter?

563 realwest  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 7:23:18am

re: #538 Bloodnok
What?! Graham Nash and Tom Jones can't be Welsh - you can understand every word they sing! In English!
/ducks to avoid flying brickbats from yma!

564 Bloodnok  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 7:23:32am

re: #559 yma o hyd

Graham Nash is ENGLISH!

Ack! I always thought he was Welsh. My mistake! Didn't mean to offend.

565 DeafDog  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 7:23:54am

re: #542 3 wood

Well, we will see what happens today.

The Giants did not move the ball all that well either.

My crystal ball says the E's will score 24 points. The game will come down to whether The Cards offense is up to the task against the E's defense.

The Giants did not move the ball because the E's defense is pretty good. It wasn't an accident.

The Eagles have a very good run defense and will double Fitzgerald. The key for Cardinals, IMO, is Warner and whether another one of Cards receivers will step op with a big game.

I fully expect Warner to be good, but I'm not sure whether Bouldin is recovered from his injury or whether any of the other Cardinal receivers are up to job.

566 Killian Bundy  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 7:24:59am

re: #545 3 wood

Westbrook is about 60% of their running game and 25% of their passing game.

Last time they played, Westbrook had 130 total yards and four touchdowns in a 48-20 dismantling of Arizona.

/Warner threw three picks and the Eagles didn't even have Samuel

567 Lincolntf  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 7:25:03am

re: #529 3 wood

I never played beyond Babe Ruth, but even at that low level we knew that you didn't show up the pitcher. When you're 14 years old, a 70 mph fastball is a great deterrent to showboating.

569 n in wi  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 7:25:14am

Morning all.
3 wood, I have an econ question for you.
I am reading a book by Walter E Williams . He says that WWII did not end the Great Depression as is commonly thought.I somewhat see his point as it was Gov. spending to build tanks,planes,etc.
Even when it ended,the G.I.Bill was still Gov. spending.
So what did start economic growth? Or am I on the right path thinking that there was no substantial growth until the supply side policies of Reagan?

570 3 wood  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 7:25:20am

re: #552 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

There is a reason guys like Gibson and Ryan were respected... they were not only good, they knew when to be mean.

Gibson was one of the toughest competitors I've ever seen, and I've seen them all since the late 60's.

Seaver would go after you too.

571 Ben Hur  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 7:25:23am

re: #562 MandyManners

How about writing him a letter?

Next time a see him speak, I'll ask.

572 smokefire  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 7:25:32am

re: #559 yma o hyd

Graham Nash is ENGLISH!

I do believe that Graham Nash is now an American Citizen.

573 realwest  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 7:25:46am

re: #542 3 wood Ahem, respectfully my friend, the Giants had time of possession and total yards against the Eagles (largely due to the success of the Giants running game). They rushed for more yards than McNabb threw for.

574 3 wood  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 7:26:05am

re: #566 Killian Bundy

Which means they did not shut Westbrook down then.

OK, well, lets see what happens today.

575 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 7:26:39am

re: #558 MandyManners

Not directly that I can find... but my Internet Fu is not strong.

576 goddessoftheclassroom  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 7:27:23am

Good morning, Lizards,

578 DeafDog  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 7:27:27am

re: #566 Killian Bundy

Last time they played, Westbrook had 130 total yards and four touchdowns in a 48-20 dismantling of Arizona.

/Warner threw three picks and the Eagles didn't even have Samuel


In fairness to the Cards, I would not use the Thanksgiving day game as a predictator of what to expect today.

On the Thanksgiving day game, the Cards were the traveling team on 3 days rest. The Cards had also won the West, and so their motivation was low. At home, with a week of rest and the Super Bowl birth on the line, the Cards will be much better.

579 lawhawk  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 7:27:29am

Greets and saluts from the global warming enhanced NYC metro area. Just another few inches of global warming fell, but it's enough to make for an idyllic landscape straight out of Currier and Ives (at least where I live) in Bergen County.

Anyhow, if you think that there's a ceasefire between Israel and Hamas, you're wrong. Hamas hasn't stopped the rocket attacks and has no intention of doing so. It's just going to reduce the number of attacks to a point where it thinks that Israel will not respond with the force seen during Operation Cast Lead. The diplomats will pat their backs in congratulations over this situation, but it's no different than the last ceasefire and Israel has simply managed to cull Hamas of several hundred of its terrorists and destroyed some of its weapons caches. Hamas will use this time to regroup and rearm, in pursuit of its jihad and destruction of Israel.

Mark my words, when Israel does respond with force, the media will again blame Israel for the violence, even though Hamas never stopped its war on Israel.

Meanwhile, Obama's inauguration looms in DC this week, and wouldn't you know it that a Muslim leader involved in the celebrations has links to terrorism:

A Muslim scholar chosen to speak at President-elect Barack Obama's inaugural prayer service Wednesday is the leader of a group that federal prosecutors say has ties to terrorists.

Ingrid Mattson, president of the Islamic Society of North America since 2006, is one of many religious leaders scheduled to speak at the prayer service at Washington's National Cathedral.

Mattson has been the guest of honor at State Department dinners and has met with senior Pentagon officials during the Bush administration. She also spoke at a prayer service at the Democratic National Convention in Denver.

But in 2007 and as recently as last July, federal prosecutors in Dallas filed court documents linking the Hartford, Conn.-based Islamic society to the group Hamas, which the U.S. considers a terrorist organization.

Fancy that....

580 realwest  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 7:27:43am

re: #552 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret) Sorta like "little" Ron Guidry?! He dusted 'em off nearly every opportunity he got!

581 MandyManners  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 7:28:08am

re: #571 Ben Hur

Next time a see him speak, I'll ask.

That will be interesting. Report back here!

582 MandyManners  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 7:28:27am

re: #575 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

Not directly that I can find... but my Internet Fu is not strong.

Muscles get strong through use.

583 smokefire  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 7:28:33am

re: #570 3 wood

Gibson was one of the toughest competitors I've ever seen, and I've seen them all since the late 60's.

Seaver would go after you too.

Gibson even hit his old catcher (Tim McCaver) after he was traded away to the Phillies. I agree, Gibson still is one of the most feared pitchers in baseball history. Correct if I am wrong, but Gibson still holds the record for lowest era. in a season. Something like 1.86 or so. Now that is a record that may neve be beat.

584 MandyManners  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 7:28:48am

re: #576 goddessoftheclassroom

Hiya', goddess!

585 realwest  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 7:28:58am

re: #553 Kenneth
You're welcome, but at least I spelled her first name correctly! LOL!
How are ya doing today?

586 Kenneth  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 7:29:04am

Nazi behind Winslet film role is revealed

more about this monster. It would have made a better film if they had played the real character

587 3 wood  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 7:29:16am

re: #567 Lincolntf

I never played beyond Babe Ruth, but even at that low level we knew that you didn't show up the pitcher. When you're 14 years old, a 70 mph fastball is a great deterrent to showboating.

When I played in Division 1 everybody threw in the 80's, some of us could goose it over 90 mph for a few pitches in a pinch. That would hurt.

Guy I played with threw 96 consistently. You did not want to get him mad.

I got drilled by him in practice once and felt it for a week

588 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 7:29:16am

re: #570 3 wood

Gibson was one of the toughest competitors I've ever seen, and I've seen them all since the late 60's.

Seaver would go after you too.

Makes the game better when some show-boating batter can't go crying to the umpire when he gets put in the dirt by the pitcher.

Oh well.

589 Killian Bundy  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 7:29:36am

Date: Thursday, 11/27/2008 Arizona Cardinals At Philadelphia Eagles

/they replayed it Friday, it was a total ass kicking, take the Eagles, give the points

590 unclassifiable  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 7:29:36am

re: #547 MandyManners

Well I finally got a MacBook Pro and a Seagate Free Agent GO drive so backups with TimeMachine is easy. Other than that I just keep a temp folder for bookmarks I do not have time to read immediately and then just clean that out every once in a while. Admittedly I do not have your acumen in presenting legal quality evidence but I just do not have the time nor inclination to do so. Yeah sometimes I get my facts screwed up but there are so many fact checkers here that they get me straightened out pretty darn quick. Other than that I have learned early on to admit when you screw up and move on.

591 Ben Hur  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 7:30:03am

lLater'

592 gregg  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 7:30:54am

Looks like the New York Times and Europe haven't changed much in the last 66 years (h/t SDA):

Image: nyt.jpg

593 Bloodnok  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 7:31:01am

re: #580 realwest

Sorta like "little" Ron Guidry?! He dusted 'em off nearly every opportunity he got!

Ugh. Guidry traumatized my childhood as a Red Sox fan. The guy never seemed to lose.

594 Effy  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 7:31:14am

Chickens Traumatized by Rockets

Revenge of the Rooster!

Reported: 15:44 PM - Jan/18/09


(IsraelNN.com) One of the rockets fired Sunday morning by Gaza terrorists hit a large chicken coop at a moshav near Kiryat Gat, killing at least 200 of the 160,000 birds.

Another 300 of the birds, however, were badly traumatized, and must be moved – not only because the coop was seriously damaged, but due to the stress they suffered from the attack

595 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 7:31:16am

re: #583 smokefire

Gibson even hit his old catcher (Tim McCaver) after he was traded away to the Phillies. I agree, Gibson still is one of the most feared pitchers in baseball history. Correct if I am wrong, but Gibson still holds the record for lowest era. in a season. Something like 1.86 or so. Now that is a record that may neve be beat.

1.12.

McCaver says he'd go out to Gibson in a game and Gibby would tell him:

"All you know about pitching is that it's hard to catch... now go away!"

One tough customer.

596 Kenneth  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 7:31:19am

re: #585 realwest

Not too bad thanks. But I will never be a good speller.

597 smokefire  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 7:31:29am

re: #588 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

If Gibson was pitching today, he would probably hold the record for fines, for hitting batters. The inside corner was his, and God help you if tried to crowd the plate, you were toast.

598 DeafDog  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 7:31:42am

re: #583 smokefire

Gibson even hit his old catcher (Tim McCaver) after he was traded away to the Phillies. I agree, Gibson still is one of the most feared pitchers in baseball history. Correct if I am wrong, but Gibson still holds the record for lowest era. in a season. Something like 1.86 or so. Now that is a record that may neve be beat.

May I humbly correct the record.....

In 1968, Bob Gibson allowed zero runs or one run 24 times in 34 starts. His era that year was 1.12

599 realwest  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 7:32:23am

re: #556 {Miss Trixie} Hey there gorgeous! I didn't see that comment but thanks for the *smooches* and the same back atcha! How is the weather up by you today - has your anger managed to melt some of that ice?!

600 goddessoftheclassroom  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 7:32:54am

Lizard Prayer List 1/18/09
Prayers for thanks, praise, comfort, strength, healing, and hope

Seeking Updates
Many thanks to Ben Z and Cap'n Doc for starting this.

Community issues:
Israel
Our country going forward
Georgia/Ossetia
Gilad Schalit, for his release.
The contractors still held hostage
Brian at Snapped Shot: for justice

Thanksgivings
HoosierHoops: son Jordan deployed to Japan instead of Afghanistan & grandchild on the way
BaseballMom57: husband recovering faster than expected and will soon be home
Lizard friends
Vxbush: health issues diagnosed
Wolfie: nephew (USAR-spec ops) got home from Iraq a couple of months ago safe and sound, and he and his wife are expecting their second child.
eschew_obfuscation: family’s health and happiness
Empire1: out of the hospital after suffering a stroke, practically fully recovered
Loppyd: future plans

Health issues:
logboy: recovery from injuries received in combat in Iraq
Dublin(CA)Dude – extensive cancer
gettinby: sister diagnosed with Sjogren’s Syndrome
Yochanan: d-i-l (ronite bas golda) undergoing surgery.
Knitwit: niece Elizabeth has a nasty MRSA infection after orthopedic surgery
tfc3rid: gf's 89 year old grandmother (suffered a a large stroke and is in rehab) and her uncle who is suffering from throat cancer; and continued prayers for dad who has MS
Typicalwhitey: father’s undergoing tests for pancreatic cancer
MNsnowlizard: Had open heart surgery in February (35 years old) and could be facing another one
twincitiesgirl: husband fighting cancer
Cato the elder: health issues
mikeymom: sister suffered a stroke
Josephine: daughter diagnosed with rare, chronic illness
yma o hyd: dear friend Anne has a blood disorder
jamsler: sister, just diagnosed with thyroid cancer; father, getting biopsy of a possible malignancy in his throat.
CoCo: mother paralyzed (due to strokes) and is now having new health problems
gop_patriot: friend’s 8-year-old son starting chemo
Pingjockey: friend Bob with a carcinoma, recovering from surgery
jorline: scleritis (eye disease), rheumatoid arthritis; father who has colon cancer
realwest: metastasizing cancer; mom Type II diabetes
AKAK: Parkinson’s diagnosis confirmed
eaglewingz08: intestinal cancer; has bad case of Grave’s disease, thyroid disorder
Noamsayin: niece and dad battling cancer
Truck Monkey: Brady (11-year-old with brain cancer who is on the football team he coaches)
Shaky Louie: chronic pancriatitis, and an (as yet) undiagnosed liver problem.
loppyd: step-father back in the hospital
Macker: health issues and treatment
newsjunkie_ky: Step-Dad
Sarah: dad (cancer);
Zonie: cancer and renal failure
Pro-Bush Canuck: sister’s illness
kcladderman: father’s throat cancer; just finisher second round of radiation
Clutch: 82-year-old mom’s recovery from eye surgery
BBev: wife’s illness and great pain, having gone from bad to worse
Kenneth: beloved daughter "M" serious chronic illness.
Cartman: liver and other health problems
Irene NYC: mom’s cancer
BenZacharia: wifffeee’s recovery from surgery
/cont’d

601 goddessoftheclassroom  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 7:33:11am

Lizard Prayer List, cont’d:
Family, friend, and life situations:
yma o hyd: ease the grief of friend who lost her husband of 59 years
Taqiyyotomist: strength in difficult times
FBV: that the unknowns find fulfillment
Vxbush: daughter’s financial issues
Yochanan: son in IDF
Bcgirl: sponsored child, Alia in Egypt
Wyatt Earp: Uncle Joe; prostate cancer returned
West Texas: brother’s decision
Victor_yugo: job
laZardo: strength of purpose
BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey: mom coming home from the hospital put still dealing with issues
A Kiwi Infidel: Natasha and her husband mourning the loss of the younger child.
mama winger: family (especially stepfather) dealing with stepbrother’s suicide.
MandyManners: finding answers and solutions
neocon hippie: grieving for big black kitty, Ripple
Cast Iron Magnolia: nephew, David, who's a Marine serving in Iraq
HHC 2-2 SCR: for those we lost and their family and friends and for thanks for those that are finally back and one for the safety of those still waiting to return.
lightsout: to make a wise decision
BeerDrinking VictoryMonkey: strength to overcome a personal issue, and for wisdom in discerning another one
Flynmudd: son deployed to Middle East
x-wing: son diagnosed with Asperger’s (mild autism)
Mars Needs Neocons: job
jcm: previous foster daughters going back with families; new 5-week-old foster daughter.
Pvt Bin Jammin: best friend’s passing
Josephine: painful loss
Jammiewearingfool: sister’s passing
David Simon: mom (Alzheimer's)
Intrepid: Mom has Alzheimer's and Intrepid is caretaker
conservgirl: atheist SPM, that he finds the Lord
Lizards with family issues
Hayseed: extended family challenges
Noraono: colleagues laid off in building industry
antiislamist: in need of prayers
lone_wolf_in_illinois: friends and family in Israel
GotC: EH/kids
Danger close: general
zulubaby, Carl in Jerusalem, Mr Pol, Golden Jerusalem, basically all the minion in eretz Yisrael
noam sayin': comfort for a lost brother
DorianGrey: much sorrow
Buckeye Abroad: in the belly of the beast of Eurabia
ChildOfMary: job for hubby and health for self
nonic: general
yank in EU: general
MdiM: general
Suzette: general

602 3 wood  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 7:33:29am

re: #569 n in wi

I am reading a book by Walter E Williams . He says that WWII did not end the Great Depression as is commonly thought.I somewhat see his point as it was Gov. spending to build tanks,planes,etc.
Even when it ended,the G.I.Bill was still Gov. spending.
So what did start economic growth? Or am I on the right path thinking that there was no substantial growth until the supply side policies of Reagan?

Combo of a bunch of things.

First, the economy self adjusted over the 30's due to classical economic dynamics. Wages, prices, income and production adjusted.

Second, having a million or more men suddenly in uniform helps with the unemployment situation.

Third, orders for war munitions certainly helped drive industry and soaked up some of the excess capacity.

But the "new Deal" work project stuff was of little help. The best thing FDR did was stabilize the banking system (like we are trying to do now)

603 MandyManners  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 7:33:29am
604 Lincolntf  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 7:33:44am

re: #587 3 wood

Yeah, the kids in Babe Ruth were wild enough already without giving them a reason to throw at ya'.
True story, my brother (a better athlete than I, he played for our High School team, Go Pioneers!) got nailed in the bean by Ron Darling when Ron was a senior and my bro. was a freshman. In a scrimmage.
My father had to convince him to keep playing, he was about to quit the team.

605 n in wi  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 7:33:49am

re: #594 Effy

Chickens Traumatized by Rockets

Revenge of the Rooster!

Reported: 15:44 PM - Jan/18/09


(IsraelNN.com) One of the rockets fired Sunday morning by Gaza terrorists hit a large chicken coop at a moshav near Kiryat Gat, killing at least 200 of the 160,000 birds.

Another 300 of the birds, however, were badly traumatized, and must be moved – not only because the coop was seriously damaged, but due to the stress they suffered from the attack

Expect big discounts at Gaza's KFCs in the next few weeks.

606 Sheila Broflovski  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 7:33:58am

re: #568 MandyManners

Today's Ha'aretz reports the formation of a lobbying group to counter AIPAC's hawkish position in the U.S. George Soros is involved. So is IPF, M.J. Rosenberg's Washington sock. What great news; it's about time. The world is changing!

Is it coincidence that this has happened six months after the LRB paper? I don't think so. Walt and Mearsheimer embarrassed the liberal Jewish community: Where are you?

MJ Rosenberg is a candidate for Moonbat of the Day. I'm just waiting for him to write something magnificently stupid, beyond his average, everyday blitherings.

607 MandyManners  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 7:34:44am

re: #603 MandyManners

Soros contributed close to $5,000,000.00 this past election.

Recipient Total Contributions
The Fund for America $3,500,000
America Votes $1,000,000
EMILY's List Non-Federal $250,000
Young Democrats of America $150,000

608 realwest  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 7:34:45am

re: #565 DeafDog
"The Eagles have a very good run defense and will double Fitzgerald." Beg pardon? Brandon Jacobs alone had 162 yards rushing against the Eagles when the Eagles had NOTHING to fear from the Giants "air attack".

609 yma o hyd  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 7:34:54am

re: #554 Dark_Falcon

Not to me. I love bacon and and my father loves BBQ Pork.

Ahem.
Nothing against bacon, or a nice bit of ham - but its gotta be celebrated, coming from well-kept pigs, not from those poor creatures kept in cages and in darkness.
Let them have a good life before the inevitable, is what I'm saying - and above all lets keep lots of the ancient breeds around!

610 3 wood  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 7:35:01am

re: #588 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

Makes the game better when some show-boating batter can't go crying to the umpire when he gets put in the dirt by the pitcher.

Oh well.

Remember Willie "the Phillie" Montanyez?

I was at Wrigley when he got Jenkins for a tater in the first inning and hot dogged it.

In the 4th inning, Fergie put the first pitch in his ear.

611 MandyManners  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 7:35:54am

re: #590 unclassifiable

Well I finally got a MacBook Pro and a Seagate Free Agent GO drive so backups with TimeMachine is easy. Other than that I just keep a temp folder for bookmarks I do not have time to read immediately and then just clean that out every once in a while. Admittedly I do not have your acumen in presenting legal quality evidence but I just do not have the time nor inclination to do so. Yeah sometimes I get my facts screwed up but there are so many fact checkers here that they get me straightened out pretty darn quick. Other than that I have learned early on to admit when you screw up and move on.

That's one of life's most important lessons.

612 yma o hyd  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 7:36:02am

re: #563 realwest

What?! Graham Nash and Tom Jones can't be Welsh - you can understand every word they sing! In English!
/ducks to avoid flying brickbats from yma!

Heh.
I'd only throw rugby balls!

:-)

613 smokefire  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 7:36:21am

re: #598 DeafDog

May I humbly correct the record.....

In 1968, Bob Gibson allowed zero runs or one run 24 times in 34 starts. His era that year was 1.12

OK. Still a record like the 56 game hitting streak that will never be broken

614 3 wood  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 7:36:35am

re: #597 smokefire

If Gibson was pitching today, he would probably hold the record for fines, for hitting batters. The inside corner was his, and God help you if tried to crowd the plate, you were toast.

Gibby threw a great spitter too.

I've heard him admit it.

615 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 7:36:40am

re: #609 yma o hyd

Ahem.
Nothing against bacon, or a nice bit of ham - but its gotta be celebrated, coming from well-kept pigs, not from those poor creatures kept in cages and in darkness.
Let them have a good life before the inevitable, is what I'm saying - and above all lets keep lots of the ancient breeds around!

Agreed.

616 MandyManners  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 7:36:52am

re: #594 Effy

Chickens Traumatized by Rockets

Revenge of the Rooster!

Reported: 15:44 PM - Jan/18/09


(IsraelNN.com) One of the rockets fired Sunday morning by Gaza terrorists hit a large chicken coop at a moshav near Kiryat Gat, killing at least 200 of the 160,000 birds.

Another 300 of the birds, however, were badly traumatized, and must be moved – not only because the coop was seriously damaged, but due to the stress they suffered from the attack

Hamas is firing rockets again?

Link?

617 goddessoftheclassroom  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 7:37:05am

re: #609 yma o hyd

Ahem.
Nothing against bacon, or a nice bit of ham - but its gotta be celebrated, coming from well-kept pigs, not from those poor creatures kept in cages and in darkness.
Let them have a good life before the inevitable, is what I'm saying - and above all lets keep lots of the ancient breeds around!

I agree.
I am a proud carnivore, but I also believe that being called to be "stewards of the earth" means that we treat animals in such a way that they aren't miserable.

618 yma o hyd  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 7:37:22am

re: #564 Bloodnok

Ack! I always thought he was Welsh. My mistake! Didn't mean to offend.

S'all right.

Better have an English singer called Welsh than the other way round!

619 3 wood  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 7:37:39am

re: #598 DeafDog

In 1968, Bob Gibson allowed zero runs or one run 24 times in 34 starts. His era that year was 1.12

Which is why they lowered the mound, that and McLain's 30 wins that year.

620 smokefire  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 7:37:52am

Expect big discounts at Gaza's KFCs in the next few weeks.

Barbecue sauce[has to be the kosher kind], just in time for the Super Bowl

621 MandyManners  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 7:37:58am

re: #606 Alouette

MJ Rosenberg is a candidate for Moonbat of the Day. I'm just waiting for him to write something magnificently stupid, beyond his average, everyday blitherings.

Who is he? What is IPF?

622 realwest  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 7:38:11am

re: #576 goddessoftheclassroom Hey, good morning to you {goddess}- hope you're doing well!

623 smokefire  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 7:38:41am

re: #614 3 wood

Why. He did not need the spitter. That surprises me, though

624 Bloodnok  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 7:38:44am

re: #619 3 wood

Which is why they lowered the mound, that and McLain's 30 wins that year.

And Yaz's .301 batting title.

625 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 7:39:15am

re: #603 MandyManners

Soros contributed close to $5,000,000.00 this past election.

So much for that campaign contribution limit. Thank you, McCain... great bill you got there.

626 Killian Bundy  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 7:39:26am

re: #578 DeafDog

At home, with a week of rest and the Super Bowl birth on the line, the Cards will be much better.

Yeah, like the Eagles aren't just as motivated and Philadelphia is the much stronger team.

/with no pretension of a Cardinal running game, the Eagles will just tee off and Warner will throw multiple interceptions

627 yma o hyd  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 7:39:32am

re: #577 MandyManners

The discovery of a huge reservoir of natural gas near Haifa couldn't have something to do with that, could it?

/naaaa, course not ...

628 newsjunkie_ky  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 7:39:55am

{goddessoftheclassroom}
Thank you for doing this.

Update on StepDad. Not good, he has maybe 72 hours left. For those who pray please pray that his last hours are pain free and that he goes peacefully.

Thanks,
news

629 BaseballMom57  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 7:40:10am

GOOD MORNING LGF'ers!

It's been way too long since I've logged on...hubby is taking a nap, so I have snuck online. His "resting chair" happens to be a highback cushy executive desk chair at our desk, so when he's awake, he's sitting in it. So, I don't get online much. He's recuperating quite well, thank you. Getting a bit less cranky as the days go by, which is a good thing!

I will now go back upthread and find out what you all are talking about today!

630 MandyManners  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 7:40:41am

re: #625 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

So much for that campaign contribution limit. Thank you, McCain... great bill you got there.

I doubt it will be changed any time soon.

631 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 7:40:45am

re: #610 3 wood

Remember Willie "the Phillie" Montanyez?

I was at Wrigley when he got Jenkins for a tater in the first inning and hot dogged it.

In the 4th inning, Fergie put the first pitch in his ear.

Don't know that guy, sorry.

632 Kyle_st  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 7:41:33am

Talking about, "We Got Mail"

Whew......!

633 smokefire  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 7:41:38am

re: #627 yma o hyd

The discovery of a huge reservoir of natural gas near Haifa couldn't have something to do with that, could it?

/naaaa, course not ...

Re: Natural Gas find:
How long before one of the Arab countries tries to claim the find for their own? This may cause more problems than it solves?

634 goddessoftheclassroom  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 7:42:22am

re: #622 realwest

Hey, good morning to you {goddess}- hope you're doing well!

{realwest}

I think I'm fighting the beginnings of a cold, but I'm fine otherwise! We're under a winter storm warning fr 6-10 inches of snow. I hope the Steelers are ready to pluck the Ravens!

635 Sheila Broflovski  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 7:42:24am

re: #621 MandyManners

Who is he? What is IPF?

IPF is Israel Policy Forum, a "pro-peace" (i.e. "pro-surrender") PAC that was created by Soros to counteract the pro-Israel AIPAC. See also J Street, another Soros machine.

MJ Rosenberg is a smirking little Nancy-boy who only wants Israel to "play nice" with its enemies, so he won't be embarrassed at cocktail parties and fancy restaurants when his colleagues call him a stinking Jew Boy.

636 realwest  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 7:42:30am

re: #593 Bloodnok
Yep - magical season in 1978 - 25-3, 1.74 ERA, Cy Young winner.

637 smokefire  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 7:43:26am

re: #631 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

Don't know that guy, sorry.

I remember the name. Run of the mill player. Nowhere near the caliber of Fergie Jenkins.

638 MandyManners  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 7:43:41am

NEW YORK, Nov. 7 (JTA) -- It's not often that George Soros, the billionaire financier and philanthropist, makes an appearance before a Jewish audience.

It's even rarer for him to use such an occasion to talk about Israel, Jews and his own role in effecting political change.

So when Soros stepped to the podium Wednesday to address those issues at a conference of the Jewish Funders Network, audience members were listening carefully.

Many were surprised by what they heard.

When asked about anti-Semitism in Europe, Soros, who is Jewish, said European anti-Semitism is the result of the policies of Israel and the United States.
"There is a resurgence of anti-Semitism in Europe. The policies of the Bush administration and the Sharon administration contribute to that," Soros said. "It's not specifically anti-Semitism, but it does manifest itself in anti-Semitism as well. I'm critical of those policies."

"If we change that direction, then anti-Semitism also will diminish," he said. "I can't see how one could confront it directly."

That is a point made by Israel's most vociferous critics, whom some Jewish activists charge with using anti-Zionism as a guise for anti-Semitism.

SNIP

639 goddessoftheclassroom  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 7:43:51am

re: #628 newsjunkie_ky

{goddessoftheclassroom}
Thank you for doing this.

Update on StepDad. Not good, he has maybe 72 hours left. For those who pray please pray that his last hours are pain free and that he goes peacefully.

Thanks,
news

{newsjunkie_ky}
And may there be peace and blessings in his passing.

640 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 7:43:54am

re: #614 3 wood

Gibby threw a great spitter too.

I've heard him admit it.

Spit balls have value if the batter thinks you throw one, even if you don't.

Gaylord Perry said (in his book) that as the years went on, he almost never threw one, since the batter was so worried about it, the job was done anyway.

/not that he really admitted to throwing any. :-)

641 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 7:44:47am

re: #632 Kyle_st

Talking about, "We Got Mail"

Whew......!

Another nutcase Joo hater. And worse someone who cannot recognize the genius of Mark Steyn. What a fool.

642 MandyManners  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 7:45:07am

re: #635 Alouette

IPF is Israel Policy Forum, a "pro-peace" (i.e. "pro-surrender") PAC that was created by Soros to counteract the pro-Israel AIPAC. See also J Street, another Soros machine.

MJ Rosenberg is a smirking little Nancy-boy who only wants Israel to "play nice" with its enemies, so he won't be embarrassed at cocktail parties and fancy restaurants when his colleagues call him a stinking Jew Boy.

Was IPF the PAC that the snippets I posted was discussing?

Maybe Rosenberg needs some lessons in self-esteem, and a good right hook.

643 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 7:46:00am

re: #630 MandyManners

I doubt it will be changed any time soon.

It's easy to cheat on and it holds back those who feel themselves constrained by law.

Perfect Saul Alinsky play.

644 aboo-Hoo-Hoo  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 7:46:04am

So it ends and begins...again - Iran official: Ceasefire shows Israel's defeat in Gaza

A senior official at Iran's presidential office on Sunday said that the unilateral ceasefire announced by Israel in Gaza was an admission of defeat, IRNA reported.

Ali-Reza Zaker Isfahani, chairman of the Strategic Studies, said Israel's unilateral ceasefire indicated its absolute defeat.

"This (unilateral truce) shows the Zionist (Israel's) regime is no longer capable of pursuing its vicious goals in the besieged area," the official said.

He said the objective behind Tel Aviv's atrocities in Gaza was "to destroy a generation and help another survive".

"Israel would never be proud of its war on Gaza as Palestinian resistance would someday annihilate the Zionist regime's false glory"....

645 yma o hyd  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 7:46:39am

re: #617 goddessoftheclassroom

I agree.
I am a proud carnivore, but I also believe that being called to be "stewards of the earth" means that we treat animals in such a way that they aren't miserable.

Yes.

And on a very selfish level - fact is that well-treated, free living pigs taste so much better than the usual awful junk sold in the supermarkets ...

I've reverted to the old-fashioned point of view that one must get the absolute best cut of meat - beef, pork, lamb, or best chicken - one can possibly afford, for velebrations and grand occasions.

Normal day-today cooking, one can easily get away with not having any, or make do with cheapest off-cuts, for slow stews and soups.

646 Lincolntf  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 7:46:47am

re: #637 smokefire

Speaking of obscure pitchers, do you guys remember Mark "The Bird" Fidrych? He runs an excavation company in MA now, and I'd often run into him at job sites. A very strange, but extremely nice and humble, guy. I was too young to enjoy his brief career, but he was a bit of a local folk hero when I was a kid.

647 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 7:46:50am

re: #638 MandyManners

NEW YORK, Nov. 7 (JTA) -- It's not often that George Soros, the billionaire financier and philanthropist, makes an appearance before a Jewish audience.

SNIP

I still think Soros is evil, but now he's gone and shown himself to be a fool as well. How anyone could view the event of the past 3 weeks and then say what he said is beyond me.

648 DeafDog  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 7:47:02am

re: #608 realwest

"The Eagles have a very good run defense and will double Fitzgerald." Beg pardon? Brandon Jacobs alone had 162 yards rushing against the Eagles when the Eagles had NOTHING to fear from the Giants "air attack".

First of all, the G's have a very good O line and are a very good rushing football team. Giving up yardage is acceptable if you can hold the opposition to field goals.

That said, you need to double check your facts because there is no such game that has the statistic or scenario that you mention. The E's and Giants played 3 times:

1. Playoff game that E's won, 23-11. Jacobs had 92 yards rushing. The Giants had 138 total rushing yards and 169 passing yards.

2. Week 14 that the E's won 20-14 (it wan't that close). Jacobs had 23 yards rushing. Giants had 88 total rushing yards and 123 passing yards.

3. Week 10, that the G's won 36-31. Jacobs had 126 rushing yards. Giants had 219 total rushing yards and 182 passing yards. This game was pre-Plaxico meltdown.

649 realwest  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 7:47:21am

re: #628 newsjunkie_ky
Aw gee, {news}I'm so sorry to hear that. Prayers going up for him right now and all day today and tonight.
And prayers for you, too.

650 Effy  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 7:47:47am

re: #616 MandyManners

Hamas is firing rockets again?

Link?

[Link: www.israelnationalnews.com...]

here's the traumatized chicken link

651 yma o hyd  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 7:47:54am

re: #628 newsjunkie_ky

{goddessoftheclassroom}
Thank you for doing this.

Update on StepDad. Not good, he has maybe 72 hours left. For those who pray please pray that his last hours are pain free and that he goes peacefully.

Thanks,
news

{newsjunkie_ky}
Praying for him, and all of you.

652 DeafDog  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 7:47:59am

re: #613 smokefire

OK. Still a record like the 56 game hitting streak that will never be broken

40 years and counting!

653 smokefire  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 7:48:14am

re: #636 realwest

Yep - magical season in 1978 - 25-3, 1.74 ERA, Cy Young winner.

654 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 7:48:46am

re: #647 Dark_Falcon

I still think Soros is evil, but now he's gone and shown himself to be a fool as well. How anyone could view the event of the past 3 weeks and then say what he said is beyond me.

His hatred of us runs very deep.

There are times when I think he wants to bring the US down a notch just to make some money... but many more times when I think he really does want to destroy the Union.

655 goddessoftheclassroom  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 7:49:28am

re: #625 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

So much for that campaign contribution limit. Thank you, McCain... great bill you got there.

Funny enough, I'm beginning to think that the election worked out for the best.

I was never thrilled with McCain. but I did like Sarah Palin. I hope that her campaign experience teaches her what to expect and to be better prepared for the slings and arrows of the outrageous MSM.

Now I see a win/win (and I do tend to be optimistic, so bear with me):

1. Obama will live up to his supporters expectations, and we'll be living in a land of rainbows and unicorns. Seriously, as long as our country is safe and prosperous, I don't care who is president.

2. Obama will live up to our (Lizards') expectations, and we can clean up congress a bit in the next election.

656 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 7:49:29am

re: #650 Effy

[Link: www.israelnationalnews.com...]

here's the traumatized chicken link

Anybody heard Al-Capon in the last few days?

/My favorite rooster.

657 BlueCanuck  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 7:49:36am

re: #638 MandyManners

Nice, so it has to do with two nations policies. Nothing to do with the people who are terrorists or terrorist sympathizers. I just wish that Soro's had taken a bigger hit when the market experienced this bad downturn.

658 smokefire  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 7:49:45am

re: #646 Lincolntf

Speaking of obscure pitchers, do you guys remember Mark "The Bird" Fidrych? He runs an excavation company in MA now, and I'd often run into him at job sites. A very strange, but extremely nice and humble, guy. I was too young to enjoy his brief career, but he was a bit of a local folk hero when I was a kid.

Yeah I remember his too short career. Blew out shoulder during magical season, tried comeback with Red Sox, returned to his New England Roots.

659 n in wi  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 7:49:51am

re: #635 Alouette

Is it possible that Soros was involved in oil speculation that drove the price of gas up to $4.00/gl this summer? Designed to blame Bush and Republicans in order to get Dems elected.He has the money and is willing to spend it.

660 DeafDog  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 7:50:24am

re: #619 3 wood

Which is why they lowered the mound, that and McLain's 30 wins that year.


Good point. I'd forgotten about that.

I'm also convinced that something happened to 'juice' the ball in the late 1990's and early 2000's. No way that 50 and 60 home run seasons should become so commonplace.

661 unclassifiable  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 7:50:41am

re: #650 Effy

[Link: www.israelnationalnews.com...]

here's the traumatized chicken link

OK! That's it! The Gaza Rooster gets put on the list when hostilities resume...

... and they will.

662 Lincolntf  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 7:51:03am

re: #660 DeafDog

I don't know if it was the ball, but "something" was juiced.

663 Ojoe  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 7:51:17am

Hi Goddess, here is a link for you, apropos the prayer list.


Mountain hermit from Romania.

664 MandyManners  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 7:51:44am

Here is a bunch of Soros links.

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

665 DeafDog  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 7:52:15am

re: #626 Killian Bundy

Yeah, like the Eagles aren't just as motivated and Philadelphia is the much stronger team.

/with no pretension of a Cardinal running game, the Eagles will just tee off and Warner will throw multiple interceptions

Don't get me wrong, I depserately want the E's. But I am not expecting the win based on Thangsgiving. It's going to be tough. Like most playoff games, it'll probably come down to making the fewer mistakes.

666 smokefire  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 7:52:27am

re: #660 DeafDog

Good point. I'd forgotten about that.

I'm also convinced that something happened to 'juice' the ball in the late 1990's and early 2000's. No way that 50 and 60 home run seasons should become so commonplace.

That was mentioned, but let's not forget,[drum roll here] performance enhancing chemicals

667 BignJames  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 7:52:28am

re: #662 Lincolntf

I don't know if it was the ball, but "something" was juiced.

Corked bats.

668 yma o hyd  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 7:52:39am

re: #644 aboo-Hoo-Hoo

Very interesting - so they expected Israel to do to the Palestinians just as they are vowing to do to all of Israel, and any Jew worldwide ... i.a.w., if you don't go in for wholesale slaughter, you're a loser.
Thats the new, islamic version of human behaviour ...

669 MandyManners  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 7:53:35am

re: #647 Dark_Falcon

I still think Soros is evil, but now he's gone and shown himself to be a fool as well. How anyone could view the event of the past 3 weeks and then say what he said is beyond me.

Maybe the thinking is this: The rockets fired on Israel is Israel's fault for trying to protect itsel. The protests against Israel and Jews are the fault of Israel for the same reason.

My head hurts.

670 3 wood  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 7:53:36am

re: #660 DeafDog

I'm also convinced that something happened to 'juice' the ball in the late 1990's and early 2000's. No way that 50 and 60 home run seasons should become so commonplace.

The ball was wound a little tighter. They also would microwaive the balls before the games to dry it out and make it fly.

The hitters were also juiced.

671 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 7:53:42am

re: #655 goddessoftheclassroom

I pray you are right.

I fear Option C:

Obama lives up to Lizard expectations, the MSM manages to cover (dissenting voices are yelled down or made outright illegal), the people swallow the BS, we spend our way straight into the ground.

I honestly fear the perfect storm of race, media, LLL-owned congress with all-but supermajorities, inept opposition ("we want him to succeed"), inexperience, narcissism, and communist leanings.

/and I never get my unicorn and live in rainbow gum-drop land.

672 goddessoftheclassroom  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 7:54:06am

re: #645 yma o hyd

Yes.

And on a very selfish level - fact is that well-treated, free living pigs taste so much better than the usual awful junk sold in the supermarkets ...

I've reverted to the old-fashioned point of view that one must get the absolute best cut of meat - beef, pork, lamb, or best chicken - one can possibly afford, for velebrations and grand occasions.

Normal day-today cooking, one can easily get away with not having any, or make do with cheapest off-cuts, for slow stews and soups.

I completely agree. We order a fresh turkey from a local farm for Thanksgiving and Christmas. It's about two and a half times more expensive, but it's worth it.

I buy organic eggs and skim milk, as expensive as it is, because I can taste the difference.

On the other hand, you and I are not going to dictate to others how to shop.

673 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 7:54:08am

re: #654 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

His hatred of us runs very deep.

There are times when I think he wants to bring the US down a notch just to make some money... but many more times when I think he really does want to destroy the Union.

Indeed. Not much to be done about him right now except build a PR against him. I would start laying plans to slime as a far left puppet-master in 2010.

Off to work. Back tonight.

674 3 wood  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 7:54:09am

re: #649 realwest

Just sent you an email.

675 DeafDog  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 7:54:22am

re: #646 Lincolntf

Speaking of obscure pitchers, do you guys remember Mark "The Bird" Fidrych? He runs an excavation company in MA now, and I'd often run into him at job sites. A very strange, but extremely nice and humble, guy. I was too young to enjoy his brief career, but he was a bit of a local folk hero when I was a kid.


Quirky guy. He would talk to the ball. I think he had two good years before his arm went 'pop'

676 3 wood  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 7:54:27am

Got to get ready for church. Later.

677 hous bin pharteen  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 7:54:41am

Sorry. I have been buzzy today so I didn't have a chance to read all the comments. But I can't let this go. For you stupid-ass Main Stream Morons, he did what he was TRAINED to do. He is an ex UNITED STATES AIR FORCE FIGHTER PILOT. He did very well, but hey you chicken-shits, he flew USAF F4 Phantoms before airliners. Not drug bongs, like you mentally stoopid libs. F4 Phantoms who did combat duties in North Vietnam. Not some pro-Che peace marchers hanging around with Jane Fonda. If he was one of you, he wouldn't have been able to start the engines. But the thing would probably have caught fire when his leftist marijuana cig caught the seat on fire. I find it highly ironic that his military service is barely mentioned

678 MandyManners  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 7:54:56am

re: #650 Effy

[Link: www.israelnationalnews.com...]

here's the traumatized chicken link

Is that an article from another Sunday?

679 smokefire  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 7:55:00am

re: #669 MandyManners

Maybe the thinking is this: The rockets fired on Israel is Israel's fault for trying to protect itsel. The protests against Israel and Jews are the fault of Israel for the same reason.

My head hurts.

This should explain everything

680 Lincolntf  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 7:55:28am

re: #667 BignJames

I've always heard that corking the bat is kind of useless, but ballplayers do it anyway because they "feel" like it helps them. After the Sosa debacle (how funny was that?), someone did a study that showed the tiny increase in bat-head speed was more than offset by the "softer" bat. I have no idea if that's true, but it made sense at the time.

681 MandyManners  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 7:56:11am

re: #657 BlueCanuck

Nice, so it has to do with two nations policies. Nothing to do with the people who are terrorists or terrorist sympathizers. I just wish that Soro's had taken a bigger hit when the market experienced this bad downturn.

I think the notion is that those people are acting because of our policies. If Israel would just open up its borders, all would be sweetness and light!

682 DeafDog  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 7:57:18am

re: #666 smokefire

re: #662 Lincolntf


The steroids thing, it seems to me, cuts both ways. Both the pitchers and the hitters were taking them.

That's why I 'think' it was the ball, but it's just my theory, so you are probably correct.

683 n in wi  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 7:57:54am

re: #666 smokefire

That was mentioned, but let's not forget,[drum roll here] performance enhancing chemicals

Steroids
Smaller parks
Smaller stike zones
Expansion watering down quaility pitching
Better [harder] bats and balls
Batters not afraid to strike out,swinging harder,even with 2 strikes
Did I forget anything?

684 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 7:58:13am

re: #680 Lincolntf

I've always heard that corking the bat is kind of useless, but ballplayers do it anyway because they "feel" like it helps them. After the Sosa debacle (how funny was that?), someone did a study that showed the tiny increase in bat-head speed was more than offset by the "softer" bat. I have no idea if that's true, but it made sense at the time.

It does do one thing... makes the resulting bat lighter, so a 245 pound juiced batter can zing it around at near warp speed.

/that's the reason they don't allow -11 bats in Highschool and college.

685 Lincolntf  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 7:58:21am

re: #675 DeafDog

Yup. The "talking to the ball" is what everyone always mentions when he comes up in conversation. I've seen clips of him literally yelling at the ball. His career was painfully short, but he's definitely a lifetime member of the "baseball lore" club.

686 yma o hyd  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 7:58:28am

Hamas cease fire?
Heh!
Rocket lands near Netivot
Published: 01.18.09, 17:00 / Israel News

Look at the time - three hours after Hamas announced its cease fire ...

Go get'em, IDF!

687 MandyManners  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 7:58:56am

re: #679 smokefire

This should explain everything

Youssarian from A Clock Work Orange?

688 albusteve  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 7:58:59am

re: #646 Lincolntf

Speaking of obscure pitchers, do you guys remember Mark "The Bird" Fidrych? He runs an excavation company in MA now, and I'd often run into him at job sites. A very strange, but extremely nice and humble, guy. I was too young to enjoy his brief career, but he was a bit of a local folk hero when I was a kid.

of course...he was a one year sensation then got hurt...a Tiger

689 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 7:59:47am

re: #688 albusteve

of course...he was a one year sensation then got hurt...a Tiger

Funny... same thing happened to Mark Pryor.

690 BignJames  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 8:00:24am

re: #683 n in wi

Steroids
Smaller parks
Smaller stike zones
Expansion watering down quaility pitching
Better [harder] bats and balls
Batters not afraid to strike out,swinging harder,even with 2 strikes
Did I forget anything?


A .250 ba is worth $10 mil a year?

691 DeafDog  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 8:00:34am

re: #670 3 wood

The ball was wound a little tighter. They also would microwaive the balls before the games to dry it out and make it fly.

The hitters were also juiced.

The microwave thing is new to me. Where did you hear that?

692 Effy  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 8:00:39am

re: #678 MandyManners

Is that an article from another Sunday?

There's a date right at the top-1/18/09
This link details all the rockets since the ceasefire:
[Link: www.israelnationalnews.com...]


They are just ignoring the rockets. The world has gone nuts once again

693 MandyManners  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 8:00:48am

re: #686 yma o hyd

Hamas cease fire?
Heh!
Rocket lands near Netivot
Published: 01.18.09, 17:00 / Israel News

Look at the time - three hours after Hamas announced its cease fire ...

Go get'em, IDF!

The article won't open for me.

Does this mean it's back on?

694 MandyManners  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 8:01:27am

re: #692 Effy

There's a date right at the top-1/18/09
This link details all the rockets since the ceasefire:
[Link: www.israelnationalnews.com...]


They are just ignoring the rockets. The world has gone nuts once again

What in the world?! Someone needs to shake the shit out of Olmert.

695 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 8:01:35am

re: #692 Effy

There's a date right at the top-1/18/09
This link details all the rockets since the ceasefire:
[Link: www.israelnationalnews.com...]

They are just ignoring the rockets. The world has gone nuts once again

And we have a front row seat for the roller-coaster ride.

Weeeeeeeeeee !

696 realwest  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 8:02:02am

re: #648 DeafDog
Well you are correct. Nonetheless the Giants DID have more total yards and time of possession and the Eagles had less rushing yards as a team than did Jacobs.
[Link: www.nfl.com...]

697 yma o hyd  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 8:02:26am

re: #672 goddessoftheclassroom

I completely agree. We order a fresh turkey from a local farm for Thanksgiving and Christmas. It's about two and a half times more expensive, but it's worth it.

I buy organic eggs and skim milk, as expensive as it is, because I can taste the difference.

On the other hand, you and I are not going to dictate to others how to shop.

No - that we cannot.
Its sad, but there are so many people who think they 'must have' certain foodstuff, and if its too expensive, they go for the cheapest version instead of looking for alternatives.

The pigs who give their ham and other meat to our local butcher live in a wooded area in the vicinity. They're actually called 'forest pigs', and do get to feed on acorns. Expensive - but what a taste!

698 itellu3times  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 8:02:45am

realwest - Rahm Emanuel sighting, on MTP this morning!

699 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 8:03:05am

Later... got to get away from Obama T minus 50 and counting. Makes me ill.

700 DeafDog  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 8:03:35am

re: #685 Lincolntf

Yup. The "talking to the ball" is what everyone always mentions when he comes up in conversation. I've seen clips of him literally yelling at the ball. His career was painfully short, but he's definitely a lifetime member of the "baseball lore" club.


In his current role, does he yell at the excation equipment?

:-)

[just curious]

701 Sheila Broflovski  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 8:03:41am

re: #668 yma o hyd

Very interesting - so they expected Israel to do to the Palestinians just as they are vowing to do to all of Israel, and any Jew worldwide ... i.a.w., if you don't go in for wholesale slaughter, you're a loser.
Thats the new, islamic version of human behaviour ...

A Technique of Propaganda called Turnspeak

702 goddessoftheclassroom  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 8:05:48am

re: #663 Ojoe

Hi Goddess, here is a link for you, apropos the prayer list.

Mountain hermit from Romania.

That was awesome. Thank you.

703 Lincolntf  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 8:06:16am

re: #693 MandyManners

This is the entirety of the article:

A rocket launched from Gaza Sunday afternoon landed in an open area adjacent to Netivot, in the western Negev.


No casualties or damages were reported. (Yael Branovsky)


I don't know if this means that it's back on, but it sickens me that the vaunted "world community" will no doubt claim that Hamas firing rockets at Israel is no reason for Israel to fire rockets at Hamas. And they'll say it with a straight face.

704 Kenneth  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 8:06:17am

re: #693 MandyManners

The article won't open for me.

Does this mean it's back on?

No, it means the harmless rockets are 'straining a tense ceasefire'. The peace will 'violently shattered' when Israel decides to act again.

705 smokefire  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 8:06:53am

Expansion watering down quaility pitching

That there is the one that is the major factor, IMHO.

Some of the pitchers in the majors today, would never be there in the late 50's and 60's, and even into the early 70's

706 yma o hyd  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 8:07:00am

re: #693 MandyManners

The article won't open for me.

Does this mean it's back on?

No, it was just a two-liner that mortar hs been fired into Israel.
I believe the IDF are disregarding it right now, as the European leaders are coming to 'town' today.
Its a good illustration to show those European peaceniks what a cease fire by Hamas means on the ground. Looks as if they're aiming to get an European agreement to go back to deal with the hamasholes in the only way possible.

707 realwest  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 8:07:06am

re: #683 n in wi
Depends on what era you're talking about. No less than Ted Williams said the biggest difference for hitters was the introduction of night baseball. Said it worked against hitters something fierce.
But Ted also said that the juiced up baseballs accounted for the difference in power of batters today, not steroids (ya still gotta hit the ball, no matter how strong you are!).

708 BignJames  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 8:07:10am

re: #687 MandyManners

Youssarian from A Clock Work Orange?


Catch 22 great book/movie.

709 realwest  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 8:07:52am

re: #698 itellu3times
WHAT? What's MTP? Last I saw him was on the side of a milk carton!

710 Lincolntf  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 8:08:31am

re: #700 DeafDog

No, my boss knew him well and could occasionally goad him into imitating himself (does that make sense?), but he was a very mellow dude. I suspect (actually I'm pretty sure but don't want to cast aspersions) that he is a devotee of THC.

711 realwest  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 8:09:28am

re: #706 yma o hyd
You know, Israel should take the Euoroweenies to the areas (Sderot and others) that Hamas loves to target and just have 'em sit there for a day and a night.
End of Hamas Euro support!

712 n in wi  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 8:09:32am

re: #705 smokefire

Expansion watering down quaility pitching

That there is the one that is the major factor, IMHO.

Some of the pitchers in the majors today, would never be there in the late 50's and 60's, and even into the early 70's

Yep,lots of those guys pitching in the majors should be in the minors or bagging groceries.

713 albusteve  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 8:09:45am

re: #707 realwest

Depends on what era you're talking about. No less than Ted Williams said the biggest difference for hitters was the introduction of night baseball. Said it worked against hitters something fierce.
But Ted also said that the juiced up baseballs accounted for the difference in power of batters today, not steroids (ya still gotta hit the ball, no matter how strong you are!).

I think Williams claimed he could see the ball rotate just as well under the lights as daytime....he saw the ball at like half speed they say...amazing...I shook his hand one time!

714 hous bin pharteen  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 8:09:48am

I have an interesting question. Which is the most stupid left wing website?
The Daily (Kommie) Kos- the ex-army REMF. (rear echelon mother f_cker) Who had to be a complete fuck up. Or the Hoffington Post.The leftwing leader, who marries a Republican "pitch hitter" (one day he is gay, the next day straight, then the next day gay....well, you get the point) who she sues and gets rich in the divorce when she already new he was both. Then she gets involved with a great statesman (or asshole) Jerry Brown. Then becomes a rich, lazy, leftist. She goes both ways as well. And these are the main left wing thinkers? Both are complete screw-ups. I would not give a job at McDonald's to serve at the drive through. They both would screw THAT up as well.

715 itellu3times  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 8:10:59am

re: #709 realwest

WHAT? What's MTP? Last I saw him was on the side of a milk carton!

Meet The Press.

He's a howling nutcase, yammering about the horrors of the last eight years, "the anything goes" spirit, taxbreaks for corporations, etc. The left is as absolutely insane as anything I know of in political/world history, the have an entire alternate history for the past eight years, of vampires and werewolves that have roamed the streets in DC, that Obama will now slay with his silver spear from the back of his unicorn. Absolute insanity.

716 Ben Hur  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 8:10:59am

Now Hamas can break the cease fire as much as they want, because all eyes are on Washington.

Israel gave them the gift they should have kept for themselves.

717 smokefire  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 8:11:57am

Everytime I see this scene, I can't help thinking that nothing has changed, or that Director David Lean could see the future

718 lawhawk  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 8:13:21am

re: #693 MandyManners

Hamas has fired 14 rockets and at least 3 mortars since the Israeli unilateral ceasefire. Hamas says that they'll gradually reduce the number of attacks, but demands that Israel leave Gaza. That means that Hamas is looking to continue its war against Israel, and wants to find a level where it can fire rockets without Israel's reprisals being on par with Operation Cast Lead, if at all.

It's a hudna Hamas seeks, and that's what we're going to get.

Again.

Count on it.

719 goddessoftheclassroom  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 8:13:26am

re: #697 yma o hyd

No - that we cannot.
Its sad, but there are so many people who think they 'must have' certain foodstuff, and if its too expensive, they go for the cheapest version instead of looking for alternatives.

The pigs who give their ham and other meat to our local butcher live in a wooded area in the vicinity. They're actually called 'forest pigs', and do get to feed on acorns. Expensive - but what a taste!

I'm a bit of a food snob. I refuse to use mixes--everything I make is from scratch with real butter, etc. I taught my younger son how to make brownies, and he's now famous among his friends because many have never tasted anything close to that good.

I admit that I don't splurge on organic fruits and veggies, but I do use fresh or frozen rather than canned--except for pickled beets, which I ADORE!

720 DeafDog  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 8:13:35am

re: #696 realwest

Well you are correct. Nonetheless the Giants DID have more total yards and time of possession and the Eagles had less rushing yards as a team than did Jacobs.
[Link: www.nfl.com...]

The Giants are good. They controlled the clock in the first half, but could only manage field goals, which sunk'em later in the game. I credit the E's defense for a 'bend, but don't break' strategy.

If the time of possession was divided by the halves, I bet the Giants had the ball 5 more minutes in the first half, but the E's had the ball 5 more minutes in the second.

Where the Giants are run-first (with 3 very good running backs) the Cards are a passing team. They are completely different challenges for a defense. I stand by my earlier prediction The key for the cards is to have a reciever other than Fitzgerald have a big game. The E-s will score 25.

721 realwest  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 8:13:50am

re: #674 3 wood
Received and replied to - hope you get a chance to answer before church if not, then right after church!

722 Killian Bundy  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 8:14:32am

re: #707 realwest

No less than Ted Williams

Which part?

Ted Williams was decapitated by surgeons at the cryonics company where his body is suspended in liquid nitrogen, and several samples of his DNA are missing, Sports Illustrated reported.

/where are they now?

723 Effy  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 8:14:45am

re: #694 MandyManners

re: #694 MandyManners

What in the world?! Someone needs to shake the shit out of Olmert.

TIme for him to join Sharon in the vegetable section

724 smokefire  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 8:15:16am

re: #718 lawhawk

Hamas has fired 14 rockets and at least 3 mortars since the Israeli unilateral ceasefire. Hamas says that they'll gradually reduce the number of attacks, but demands that Israel leave Gaza. That means that Hamas is looking to continue its war against Israel, and wants to find a level where it can fire rockets without Israel's reprisals being on par with Operation Cast Lead, if at all.

It's a hudna Hamas seeks, and that's what we're going to get.

Again.

Count on it.

The problem with that, I see, is that the Israeli population will ask the question Why did the government not do the job right the last time? This is the endless problem for Israel.

725 MandyManners  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 8:15:33am

What's it gonna' take for Olmert to act? A bunch of dead Israelis?

726 Lincolntf  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 8:16:09am

re: #713 albusteve

He's my favorite baseball player of all time, despite the fact that he hadn't played for 15 years by the time I was born. I never got to meet him, but when I went to Florida a couple years ago I found one of his favorite fishing spots and spent the day fishing there as a tribute to him. Lame, I know, but what can you do? I heard that his rels recently auctioned off a bunch of his old belongings (in NH, maybe?) but by the time I learned of the auction, it was over. I would have cashed in some serious chips with my wife to buy some of his old fishing gear or something. Oh well.

727 n in wi  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 8:16:21am

re: #707 realwest

As far as night baseball, I heard a player talking about how it may have helped some players as lighting actually improved vision compared to overcast,or even bright sunny days. I don't know,just an interesting point.
Home runs put people in the stands. Not ground outs or strikeouts.
Funny you mentioned Ted Williams, That was the first person I thought about when the talk about "Sully" the hero pilot started.

728 MandyManners  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 8:16:28am

re: #723 Effy

*cringe*

729 yma o hyd  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 8:16:32am

re: #711 realwest

You know, Israel should take the Euoroweenies to the areas (Sderot and others) that Hamas loves to target and just have 'em sit there for a day and a night.
End of Hamas Euro support!

Yep - just take them to the synagogue targetted Friday night, or show them where the children 'play'!
Not that it'll make any difference to their entrenched worldview of Israel being the baaad agressor ...

730 realwest  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 8:16:33am

re: #713 albusteve
Well the "documentary" I saw was about Ted and fishing but he talked a lot about baseball (natch!) and he did say night baseball ruined a lot of hitters.

731 Dustyvet  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 8:18:44am

re: #724 smokefire

The problem with that, I see, is that the Israeli population will ask the question Why did the government not do the job right the last time? This is the endless problem for Israel.

Hamas violated the cease fire? No Surprise, now let IDF go in and finish the job!

732 BignJames  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 8:18:52am

re: #717 smokefire



Everytime I see this scene, I can't help thinking that nothing has changed, or that Director David Lean could see the future

"a silly and barbarous people"

733 callahan23  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 8:19:21am

re: #717 smokefire

Updinged ya for that. Would give a dozen more up-dings if I could.

SO TRUE!

734 n in wi  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 8:19:43am

re: #719 goddessoftheclassroom
HMMM, your son's brownies are popular with his friends, just saying..........

735 albusteve  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 8:19:45am

re: #726 Lincolntf

He's my favorite baseball player of all time, despite the fact that he hadn't played for 15 years by the time I was born. I never got to meet him, but when I went to Florida a couple years ago I found one of his favorite fishing spots and spent the day fishing there as a tribute to him. Lame, I know, but what can you do? I heard that his rels recently auctioned off a bunch of his old belongings (in NH, maybe?) but by the time I learned of the auction, it was over. I would have cashed in some serious chips with my wife to buy some of his old fishing gear or something. Oh well.

someone here said a week or so back they attended a ball camp somewhere and Williams was there as instructor but the kids didnt really understand who he was...my palyer era was late fifties and on...I saw some great ones myself...kinda cool...no other sport was really like that....go to a Tues game and see Hoyt Wilhelm pitch or whatever

736 goddessoftheclassroom  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 8:20:58am

re: #734 n in wi

HMMM, your son's brownies are popular with his friends, just saying..........

Oh, that's not nice!

737 n in wi  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 8:20:59am

re: #726 Lincolntf

Ted Williams was everything John Wayne pretended to be in movies

738 realwest  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 8:21:19am

re: #715 itellu3times
Well a howling nutcase sure sounds like Emmanuel! Did anyone ask him any questions AT ALL about his alternative universe?

739 albusteve  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 8:22:22am

re: #730 realwest

Well the "documentary" I saw was about Ted and fishing but he talked a lot about baseball (natch!) and he did say night baseball ruined a lot of hitters.

right...just not himself...all anecdotal of course but the stats are there if someone wanted to wade thru them and compare ave. etc

740 MandyManners  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 8:23:14am

re: #734 n in wi

Huh?

741 MandyManners  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 8:24:33am

re: #716 Ben Hur

Now Hamas can break the cease fire as much as they want, because all eyes are on Washington.

Israel gave them the gift they should have kept for themselves.

IDF could've used this, too.

742 Killgore Trout  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 8:24:34am

A nice old fashioned Palestinian cease fire.....
Hamas, Israel set independent cease-fires

Palestinian militants declared Sunday that they would stop attacks on Israel for a week, a statement that came hours after Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert announced a unilateral cease-fire in the country's assault on Hamas in Gaza
....
Palestinians fired at least 19 rockets into Israel on Sunday -- including at least two after the Palestinian cease-fire declaration, according to Israeli police spokesman Mickey Rosenfeld. At least three people were lightly wounded. Israeli military aircraft retaliated, firing missiles and destroying a rocket launcher, a military spokesman said.

Shortly before the rocket attacks, Palestinian gunmen opened fire on Israeli forces in northern Gaza, the military said. Troops returned fire.
.

743 n in wi  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 8:24:38am

re: #739 albusteve

right...just not himself...all anecdotal of course but the stats are there if someone wanted to wade thru them and compare ave. etc

Compare Wriggly hitters and see if you come up with any stats over a full season to support night time hurting hitters.

744 [deleted]  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 8:24:46am
745 realwest  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 8:24:55am

re: #725 MandyManners
Apparently not even that; something like 94% of Israel's supported Cast Lead - 94% is a HELL of a majority in a democracy and yet Israel let Hamas slide again, albeit seriously wounded. Olmert's party will lose in the Feb elections if Hamas fires say a couple dozen rockets between now and then. And they will. Then Bibi will take over and it'll be bye-bye Hamas - forever.

746 Macker  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 8:25:08am

Good Morning Lizards! Today I'm celebrating five years in Arizona!

747 smokefire  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 8:26:12am

re: #727 n in wi

As far as night baseball, I heard a player talking about how it may have helped some players as lighting actually improved vision compared to overcast,or even bright sunny days. I don't know,just an interesting point.
Home runs put people in the stands. Not ground outs or strikeouts.
Funny you mentioned Ted Williams, That was the first person I thought about when the talk about "Sully" the hero pilot started.

Ted was a great flyer too.
WWII, Korea. Always wondered what he might have accomplished if he had not had to do the 2 stints in the Marines

748 itellu3times  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 8:26:20am

re: #738 realwest

Actually, near the wrap-up, he gave some highly grudging praise of the Bush administration as having done their job and loving their country.

My take on what it takes to be a member in good standing of the Obama Team Unicorn, is an inability to do even basic arithmetic, an utter ignornance of science, and a view of all Republicans in history and today as hellspawn. It's not that every word is a lie, as in the Bubba adminstration, but every word is lunacy - er, loonacy.

749 Macker  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 8:26:21am

re: #745 realwest

God, I sure hope so!

750 itellu3times  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 8:27:06am

re: #746 Macker

Good Morning Lizards! Today I'm celebrating five years in Arizona!

The other 56 states thank you!
/

751 buzzdroid  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 8:27:24am

Dhimmified Britain

The Civil Service Islamic Society

[Link: www.civilserviceislamicsociety.org...]

Non Muslims need not apply.

752 realwest  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 8:27:28am

re: #744 smokefire
"innocents are going to die because of them. It's not Israel's fault, and the sooner everyone realizes it, the better." I agree with your post, but everyone will not realize it or recognize it - too many Jew haters out there who now feel free to come out of the woodwork with Obama just days away from being POTUS - Israel fucked up BIG TIME by agreeing to any ceasefire at all.

753 yma o hyd  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 8:27:32am

re: #719 goddessoftheclassroom

Mixes ... once I'd worked out that I saved money by doing stuff from scratch, and that the time doing it from scratch was only marginally longer, like about 15 minutes, than when using mixes or things in bags and sachets - I abandoned all of that.
Making soups and stew from scratch is very satisfying, and one can give full rein to one's imagination.
And yeah - one feels very virtuous if the turkey carcass or chicken carcass ends up in a lovely soup rather than in the rubbish bin!

Frozen veggies are fine by me, very useful, same with frozen fruit in winter.
The only thing I buy in tins are a certain brand of baked beans.

754 MandyManners  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 8:27:34am

re: #742 Killgore Trout

A nice old fashioned Palestinian cease fire.....
Hamas, Israel set independent cease-fires

Hamas is still at war but Olmert has his head up his butt.

755 buzzdroid  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 8:28:15am

Video of Hamas attacking a wedding party in Gaza and beating the groom to death..

their crime? They were singing..


756 realwest  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 8:28:45am

re: #749 Macker
Me too!

757 MandyManners  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 8:28:47am

re: #744 smokefire

I do not agree with your not-so-subtle call to kill 'em all. You've said that before.

758 Lincolntf  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 8:28:59am

Ted Williams in my hometown

I have a picture of this at bat (from a different angle, in which you can see the College) with Ted's signature on it. His sig. has been widely debated because of his sketchy late son, but I love the picture.

759 MandyManners  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 8:29:38am

re: #745 realwest

Apparently not even that; something like 94% of Israel's supported Cast Lead - 94% is a HELL of a majority in a democracy and yet Israel let Hamas slide again, albeit seriously wounded. Olmert's party will lose in the Feb elections if Hamas fires say a couple dozen rockets between now and then. And they will. Then Bibi will take over and it'll be bye-bye Hamas - forever.

How many must die before elections?!

760 Ben Hur  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 8:30:04am

re: #751 buzzdroid

The Civil Service Islamic Society (CSIS) is a non-political, voluntary society, representative of mainstream Islamic opinion in central government.

Foot in the door.

761 yma o hyd  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 8:30:13am

re: #725 MandyManners

What's it gonna' take for Olmert to act? A bunch of dead Israelis?

Olmert has no power left, he's a caretaker. And the one who has given the impression of having cojones is now apaprently set up for ye stabbe in ye backe:
Likud and Labor are "coordinating stances" in order to malign Kadima chairwoman Tzipi Livni, Kadima member MK Yoel Hasson said Sunday.
According to Hasson, "Gideon Sa'ar and Shelly Yacimovich need to reveal the agreement between them – the public sees their scheming and incitement. They keep attacking in order to block Livni's leadership."

762 Kenneth  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 8:30:28am

re: #754 MandyManners

Hamas is still at war but Olmert has his head up his butt.

I think he's trying to lull them into a false sense of security. Yeah, that's the ticket.

763 smokefire  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 8:30:29am

re: #752 realwest

"innocents are going to die because of them. It's not Israel's fault, and the sooner everyone realizes it, the better." I agree with your post, but everyone will not realize it or recognize it - too many Jew haters out there who now feel free to come out of the woodwork with Obama just days away from being POTUS - Israel fucked up BIG TIME by agreeing to any ceasefire at all.

real I agree, but you must agree that Israel was under a timetable, and pressure from US to bring Gaza operation to an end. We both agree that this is the endless cycle of conflict in the region.
war-ceasefire-rearming-bluster-attacks-REPEAT

764 goddessoftheclassroom  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 8:31:07am

re: #753 yma o hyd

Mixes ... once I'd worked out that I saved money by doing stuff from scratch, and that the time doing it from scratch was only marginally longer, like about 15 minutes, than when using mixes or things in bags and sachets - I abandoned all of that.
Making soups and stew from scratch is very satisfying, and one can give full rein to one's imagination.
And yeah - one feels very virtuous if the turkey carcass or chicken carcass ends up in a lovely soup rather than in the rubbish bin!

Frozen veggies are fine by me, very useful, same with frozen fruit in winter.
The only thing I buy in tins are a certain brand of baked beans.

Have you ever "brined" a turkey? It's AMAZING, and the soup from the carcass is fantastic.

765 realwest  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 8:31:33am

re: #731 Dustyvet
"Hamas violated the cease fire? No Surprise, now let IDF go in and finish the job!"
Amen brother, but not while Olmert's in charge. And that WILL change in Febrary (Israeli elections).

766 Ben Hur  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 8:31:44am
The Civil Service Islamic Society (CSIS) is a non-political, voluntary society, representative of mainstream Islamic opinion in central government.

Read that again.

767 Killgore Trout  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 8:32:00am

IAF Target Grad Rocket Launcher.

The IAF hit a Grad rocket launcher site in Gaza shortly after terrorists fired a rocket at Kiryat Gat.01/17/09

768 smokefire  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 8:32:15am

re: #757 MandyManners

I do not agree with your not-so-subtle call to kill 'em all. You've said that before.

that's why I put am being careful. No I do not advocate that. I have learned, but the endless cycle is not acceptable.

769 realwest  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 8:32:24am

re: #759 MandyManners
Huh?

770 Lincolntf  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 8:32:59am

re: #737 n in wi

Yup. Even with the inevitable romanticization of someone like Ted Williams, the facts speak for themselves. He was like a combination of John Wayne, Ernest Hemingway and Babe Ruth. Three legends in one man. Unbelievable, really.

771 MandyManners  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 8:33:08am

re: #762 Kenneth

I think he's trying to lull them into a false sense of security. Yeah, that's the ticket.

He doesn't come across as being capable of such subtlety.

772 realwest  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 8:33:43am

re: #763 smokefire
Oh yeah, I agree but Israel isn't going to get any breaks under Obama and should have resisted Washington's pressure and just finished the job.
Let Obama take office with virtually NO HAMAS left.
Fuck him.

773 3 wood  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 8:33:45am

re: #680 Lincolntf

I've always heard that corking the bat is kind of useless, but ballplayers do it anyway because they "feel" like it helps them. After the Sosa debacle (how funny was that?), someone did a study that showed the tiny increase in bat-head speed was more than offset by the "softer" bat. I have no idea if that's true, but it made sense at the time.

I've used corked bats.

All the "scientific" studies aside, it makes a big difference. I remember the first time using one in batting practice and thinking it was not big deal. Until I got one on the sweet spot.

Oh my. It was like hitting a golf ball.

It made a big difference.

By my entirely biases guestimate, I think about 20% of the major league hitters use a corked bat. I can hear the difference over the TV.

774 MandyManners  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 8:34:02am

re: #768 smokefire

that's why I put am being careful. No I do not advocate that. I have learned, but the endless cycle is not acceptable.

You've said it before and you're saying it again.

775 buzzdroid  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 8:34:09am

re: #760 Ben Hur

Foot in the door.

Fifth column. its already here.
[Link: www.dailymail.co.uk...]

if i was working in American Homeland security, i would strongly advise that Britain be put on a watchlist, if not banned outright from travel to America.

its that serious.

776 MandyManners  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 8:34:20am

re: #769 realwest

Huh?

Israel elections next month.

777 DeafDog  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 8:34:31am

re: #755 buzzdroid

Video of Hamas attacking a wedding party in Gaza and beating the groom to death..

their crime? They were singing..



Savages

778 3 wood  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 8:34:53am

re: #691 DeafDog

The microwave thing is new to me. Where did you hear that?

From guys in the club house who did the microwaiving.

779 MandyManners  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 8:36:27am

re: #775 buzzdroid

Fifth column. its already here.
[Link: www.dailymail.co.uk...]

if i was working in American Homeland security, i would strongly advise that Britain be put on a watchlist, if not banned outright from travel to America.

its that serious.

If he's a moderate, I'm the queen of the universe.

780 yma o hyd  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 8:37:12am

re: #764 goddessoftheclassroom

Have you ever "brined" a turkey? It's AMAZING, and the soup from the carcass is fantastic.

No - never heard of it!

Tbh - my husband wasn't keen on turkey at all, especially when it was just the two of us at Christmas. After the children had gone and had their own families in West Wales, we'd indulge ourselves with duck, or pheasants, or wild salmon, or anything which took our fancy that year.

781 realwest  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 8:37:27am

re: #774 MandyManners
What's your solution then? And I disagree - I don't think Smokefire was advocating killing all "Palestinians" but what do you think Israel should do?

782 Dustyvet  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 8:37:33am

re: #765 realwest

"Hamas violated the cease fire? No Surprise, now let IDF go in and finish the job!"
Amen brother, but not while Olmert's in charge. And that WILL change in Febrary (Israeli elections).

I think I'd be in real trouble if I posted what I'm really thinking regarding Mr. Olmert at the moment. I assure you it'd not nice thoughts.

783 Lincolntf  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 8:37:39am

re: #778 3 wood

In the Pros, don't all the balls go to the umps before the game? So if you're microwaving your balls, you'd also be microwaving the balls of your opponent?


("...you'd also be microwaving the balls of your opponent?" Now that's a phrase I'd never think it was possible to work into polite conversation.)

784 smokefire  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 8:37:42am

"Hamas violated the cease fire? No Surprise, now let IDF go in and finish the job!"

Mandy this is the same thing, posted by realwest.

What does "finish the job" comment entail?
That is what I advocate. finish the job In such a way, that it will be longer than a few years before it starts up again. No, I do not advocate killem all. But this is an unconventional war, and like unconventional wars, there is no clear line of demarcation between combatants and noncombatants, and in that situation is where your innocents reside, and suffer.

785 realwest  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 8:38:09am

re: #778 3 wood
Didja get my e-mail my friend?

786 DeafDog  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 8:40:04am

re: #778 3 wood

From guys in the club house who did the microwaiving.


Is the practice ongoing, or has it been stopped?

787 realwest  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 8:40:18am

re: #784 smokefire
Actually it was posted by DustyVet and I agreed with him, Israel must destroy Hamas. Period. That is not the same as killing all "Palestinians" though I gather some out here took it that way and were just wrong about that.

788 MandyManners  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 8:40:25am

re: #781 realwest

What's your solution then? And I disagree - I don't think Smokefire was advocating killing all "Palestinians" but what do you think Israel should do?

He said so this morning, and he's said so before, and been deleted for it. And, he's been deleted this morning again.

789 MandyManners  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 8:41:08am

I'm not gonna' argue the point.

790 yma o hyd  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 8:41:32am

re: #775 buzzdroid

Fifth column. its already here.
[Link: www.dailymail.co.uk...]

if i was working in American Homeland security, i would strongly advise that Britain be put on a watchlist, if not banned outright from travel to America.

its that serious.

Money quote from your link (emphasis added by me):

'Until his internet outburst, Mr Ali was regarded as a moderate Muslim who could help tackle Islamic fanaticism in Britain.'

is there actually such a thing as a 'moderate' Muslim?

I'd say that those who declare themselves to be 'moderate Muslims' are practising that well know thing called taqiyya ...

791 realwest  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 8:41:35am

re: #788 MandyManners
Well the question still stands, Mandy, what do you think Israel should do?

792 Sheila Broflovski  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 8:42:32am

re: #781 realwest

What's your solution then? And I disagree - I don't think Smokefire was advocating killing all "Palestinians" but what do you think Israel should do?

I favor the "57-state solution" in which the Fakestinians are split up and repatriated around the world to various Islamic nations, especially all the ones who voted against Israel in every U.N. resolution but never offered a helping hand to their own Muslim brethren.

793 Ben Hur  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 8:43:13am

re: #775 buzzdroid

Fifth column. its already here.
[Link: www.dailymail.co.uk...]

if i was working in American Homeland security, i would strongly advise that Britain be put on a watchlist, if not banned outright from travel to America.

its that serious.

Wow, and last week they (the British media) claimed it was "freedom of speech" when they called for Joos to be killed.

794 MandyManners  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 8:43:31am

re: #791 realwest

Well the question still stands, Mandy, what do you think Israel should do?

Put Netanyahu in charge.

795 yma o hyd  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 8:43:50am

re: #792 Alouette

I favor the "57-state solution" in which the Fakestinians are split up and repatriated around the world to various Islamic nations, especially all the ones who voted against Israel in every U.N. resolution but never offered a helping hand to their own Muslim brethren.

Excellent idea!
Its not as if there wasn't lots of space in said countries - well, most Arab ones, anyway ...

796 realwest  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 8:43:52am

re: #792 Alouette
Ah, if only!

797 Dustyvet  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 8:44:21am

Hey kids it's Barak Obama Time...


[Link: www.televisiontunes.com...]

798 MandyManners  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 8:44:31am

re: #792 Alouette

I favor the "57-state solution" in which the Fakestinians are split up and repatriated around the world to various Islamic nations, especially all the ones who voted against Israel in every U.N. resolution but never offered a helping hand to their own Muslim brethren.

Is that practical?

799 DeafDog  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 8:44:37am

re: #787 realwest

Actually it was posted by DustyVet and I agreed with him, Israel must destroy Hamas. Period. That is not the same as killing all "Palestinians" though I gather some out here took it that way and were just wrong about that.

Israel is dealing with evil. When dealing with evil, there should have been no real 'ceasefire' without an unconditional surrender.

If this were a boxing match, Olmert had Hamas on the ropes and instead of continuing the pummeling he backed into his corner. Stupid, stupid, stupid.

800 Ben Hur  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 8:44:57am

re: #775 buzzdroid

Fifth column. its already here.
[Link: www.dailymail.co.uk...]

if i was working in American Homeland security, i would strongly advise that Britain be put on a watchlist, if not banned outright from travel to America.

its that serious.

I am 100% sure that if he posted anti-Israel or anti-Jew posts, he'd still have his job.

801 yma o hyd  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 8:45:00am

re: #793 Ben Hur

Wow, and last week they (the British media) claimed it was "freedom of speech" when they called for Joos to be killed.

Of course thats freedom of speech - they only express what their religion teaches them!

///

802 realwest  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 8:45:28am

re: #792 Alouette
Correction - since most of the "Palestinians" came from Egypt and Jordan, "repatriating them" would mean MAKING Egypt and Jordan take them back and it ain't EVER gonna happen.

803 MandyManners  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 8:45:33am

re: #797 Dustyvet

Hey kids it's Barak Obama Time...


[Link: www.televisiontunes.com...]

He has the ears but, no freckles.

804 goddessoftheclassroom  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 8:45:35am

re: #794 MandyManners

Put Netanyahu in charge.

I agree.

805 yma o hyd  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 8:46:28am

re: #798 MandyManners

Is that practical?

Certainly more practical and more humane that the solution most of us here would like to see - and which would get us banned in the twinkle of a stick!

806 albusteve  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 8:47:04am

re: #772 realwest

Oh yeah, I agree but Israel isn't going to get any breaks under Obama and should have resisted Washington's pressure and just finished the job.
Let Obama take office with virtually NO HAMAS left.
Fuck him.

my sentiments as well...but how does anyone know what pressure Washington put on Israel?...it's all speculation...the nature of the Hamas problem suggests to me that Israel should at least push back against BO and force him into a public clearcut point of view...I dont really see that Israel has much to lose...they shouls simply press on with the destruction of Hamas no matter how long it takes....they should disregard the EU and the UN...it is not their problem and they are enemies of Israel anyway....it's only a micky mouse cease fire and not the endgame...imo

807 x-wing  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 8:47:29am

re: #794 MandyManners

Put Netanyahu in charge.

Do you remember what he told Arafat reguarding suicide bombers and attacks on Israel?

He's willing to do anything to protect Israel.

808 realwest  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 8:48:44am

re: #805 yma o hyd
{yma} - no it's not practical. They originally came from Egypt and Jordan and were FORCED OUT of both countries - and Egypt and Jordan ain't taking 'em back.

809 Lincolntf  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 8:49:05am

re: #804 goddessoftheclassroom

While he's probably the best option over there, let's not forget that he's already been in charge once. Maybe if the popular will of Israel has finally shifted to destroying Hamas then he'll have more success than last time.

810 yma o hyd  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 8:49:06am

re: #794 MandyManners

Put Netanyahu in charge.
re: #804 goddessoftheclassroom

I agree.

Looks like thats whats going to happen.
Bibi has been very conspicuous in his quietness ... and Olmert praised him yesterday for supporting the government during this war.

811 Ben Hur  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 8:50:25am

re: #801 yma o hyd

Of course thats freedom of speech - they only express what their religion teaches them!

///

British soldiers are the new Joos.

812 Killgore Trout  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 8:50:47am

More kids on the battlefield.....
Palestinian Children vs Israeli Soldier

813 goddessoftheclassroom  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 8:51:21am

re: #809 Lincolntf

While he's probably the best option over there, let's not forget that he's already been in charge once. Maybe if the popular will of Israel has finally shifted to destroying Hamas then he'll have more success than last time.

I have a confession: back in the early 90s, I thought he was VERY attractive! I haven't seen a recent photo, though.

814 Lincolntf  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 8:51:32am

Wow. Are any of you looking at Heinz Field on ESPN? What a mess.

815 Dustyvet  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 8:53:26am

re: #808 realwest

{yma} - no it's not practical. They originally came from Egypt and Jordan and were FORCED OUT of both countries - and Egypt and Jordan ain't taking 'em back.

Just like unwanted in-laws.

816 realwest  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 8:53:29am

re: #794 MandyManners
Well what do you think Netanyahu would do?
I really hate to say this, but HAMAS -NOT THE PALESTINIANS - won't stop killing Jews/Israeli's unless Hamas is no longer any sort of viable power in the ME.
At some point the Palestinians are gonna have to say "Enough" to Hamas, the same way Iraqi's finally said enough to the "freedom fighters in Iraq.

817 MandyManners  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 8:54:27am

re: #813 goddessoftheclassroom

I have a confession: back in the early 90s, I thought he was VERY attractive! I haven't seen a recent photo, though.

He's aged pretty nicely.

818 yma o hyd  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 8:54:30am

re: #808 realwest

{yma} - no it's not practical. They originally came from Egypt and Jordan and were FORCED OUT of both countries - and Egypt and Jordan ain't taking 'em back.

Its not 'practical' in the sense that one cannot enforce a re-settlement there. But a kind of migration, with the same monetary support now being poured into Gaza, but given instead to coutries who're willing to take them in - Mauretania, Libya, Iran (teeheehee!), Syria, Turkey, even the Magic Kingdom, it could work.
Trouble is - the Palestinians have so annoyed practically all Arab states except Iran that they'd like nothing betetr than see them fester and blame Israel for it.

Btw, Germany took in lots of German-Russians who had German ancestors going back hunderds of years. That was during Yeltsin's regime, iirc. Germany paid Russia money - and paid these 'new Germans' money.
Possible is everything, if there's a will ...

819 realwest  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 8:55:57am

re: #810 yma o hyd
Well given that 94% of Israeli's supported Cast Lead, I don't see how Olmert will stand a chance of re-election (or his party, more accurately) and again the question arises: if Bibi is in charge in Israel, what do you think he will/can do about Hamas?

820 MandyManners  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 8:55:57am

re: #816 realwest

Well what do you think Netanyahu would do?
I really hate to say this, but HAMAS -NOT THE PALESTINIANS - won't stop killing Jews/Israeli's unless Hamas is no longer any sort of viable power in the ME.
At some point the Palestinians are gonna have to say "Enough" to Hamas, the same way Iraqi's finally said enough to the "freedom fighters in Iraq.

I think Netanyahu will bring the Jordyptians to that point.

821 albusteve  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 8:56:00am

re: #808 realwest

{yma} - no it's not practical. They originally came from Egypt and Jordan and were FORCED OUT of both countries - and Egypt and Jordan ain't taking 'em back.

crush Hamas and disarm the population....problem solved...difficult but hardly impossible...how can any sane person argue otherwise?

822 swamprat  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 8:56:33am

re: #816 realwest

At some point Palestine must throw the bloody heads of Hamas leaders
over the wall, as it were.

/biblical reference

823 yma o hyd  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 8:56:48am

re: #811 Ben Hur

British soldiers are the new Joos.

Heh.
Would be nice if they had he same equipment as the IDF, and didn't need to scrounge around for things like desert boots - which they're known to buy from their American comrades-in-arms ...

824 Macker  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 8:57:05am

re: #787 realwest

I've posted on other boards the following:
HAMAS DELENDA EST.
The vast majority of the liberals on that board are so frakkin' STUPID that the owner, himself a liberal...had to explain the term to his friends.
Kinda reminds me of that line from Plan 9 being idiots.

825 realwest  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 8:58:43am

re: #818 yma o hyd
"Trouble is - the Palestinians have so annoyed practically all Arab states except Iran that they'd like nothing betetr than see them fester and blame Israel for it."
Which is why offering even enormous sums of money (which we won't have unless Obama gets the printing presses going 24/7) still won't work. They simply do not want the "Palestinans" in their countries. See, Wiki, re: Black September.

826 Macker  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 8:59:12am

re: #808 realwest

{yma} - no it's not practical. They originally came from Egypt and Jordan and were FORCED OUT of both countries - and Egypt and Jordan ain't taking 'em back.

They could go to The Magic Kingdom™!

827 yma o hyd  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 8:59:26am

re: #819 realwest

Well given that 94% of Israeli's supported Cast Lead, I don't see how Olmert will stand a chance of re-election (or his party, more accurately) and again the question arises: if Bibi is in charge in Israel, what do you think he will/can do about Hamas?

Difficult to say - one thing he might do is increase the operation of the special forces and let the leaders of Hamas and Hezbollah know that they are not safe anywhere.

828 smokefire  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 8:59:35am

re: #816 realwest

Well what do you think Netanyahu would do?
I really hate to say this, but HAMAS -NOT THE PALESTINIANS - won't stop killing Jews/Israeli's unless Hamas is no longer any sort of viable power in the ME.
At some point the Palestinians are gonna have to say "Enough" to Hamas, the same way Iraqi's finally said enough to the "freedom fighters in Iraq.

That is what is needed. the bully[Hamas] must be eradicated, removed, eliminated, killed. If you disagree with that, then you are the problem, not the solution
btw Real did you get email?

829 goddessoftheclassroom  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 8:59:36am

re: #814 Lincolntf

Wow. Are any of you looking at Heinz Field on ESPN? What a mess.

We're under s storm warning for 6-12 inches of snow.

830 smokefire  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 9:00:53am

re: #829 goddessoftheclassroom

We're under s storm warning for 6-12 inches of snow.

oldtime football. 5 yards and a cloud of snow

831 Kenneth  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 9:01:25am

Now I know what was bugging me about that Winslet as the cute Nazi movie, The Reader. It's the moral dodge. Not only were the German people only following orders, but they were illiterate too, so they didn't even understand the orders! No wonder the book and movie are so popular in Germany!

832 Lincolntf  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 9:02:41am

re: #829 goddessoftheclassroom

Sounds like it'll be an interesting afternoon for fans in the stands and players alike. While I know I'm supposed to hope for a clean field and favorable conditions so that we can get a true measure of which team is better (sports fan disclaimer out of the way), my inner little kid LOVES watching games played in sloppy, snowy conditions.

833 Dustyvet  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 9:02:49am

re: #830 smokefire

oldtime football. 5 yards and a cloud of snow

Way back when I still remember a Minnesota Vikings game played in a blinding snow storm, great fun!

834 realwest  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 9:03:17am

re: #820 MandyManners
"I think Netanyahu will bring the Jordyptians to that point." I pray you're right, but Hamas has shown no such inclination and still don't see what Bibi could do, short of continuing Operation Cast Lead until Hamas doesn't exist as any sort of force in the region. And I don't see anyway that's gonna happen without a LOT of Hama's leaders, fighters and enablers killed.
BTW, thanks for "Jordyptians" - senior moment, you've used that term before and it's SO MUCH MORE ACCURATE than "Palestinains"!

835 Occasional Reader  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 9:04:00am

Howdy.

That's all I have to say.

836 swamprat  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 9:04:07am

As long as Palestine feels that it is oppressed, it will be a problem. and all of Arabia wants Palestine to feel oppressed. If they are not "oppressed", then they will be considered "the friend of the jews", and Arabia will have two enemies. All of Arabia will have to change the way it thinks, followed by Palestine feeling coddled, for peace to have a chance. Peace doesn't have a chance.

And that's the truth.

837 realwest  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 9:04:30am

re: #828 smokefire
Yes, received it and will reply later on!

838 realwest  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 9:05:12am

re: #835 Occasional Reader
Howdy back - you're a smart man!

839 lawhawk  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 9:05:12am

WTF. I mean seriously WTF. Germany approves Hamas flags flying, but tears down Israeli flags? The Hamas charter calls for Israel's destruction. It is genocidal in intent. Yet, Israel's flag gets no protection why? Because it might incite Hamas to violence.

[deleted]

840 MandyManners  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 9:05:26am

re: #834 realwest

"I think Netanyahu will bring the Jordyptians to that point." I pray you're right, but Hamas has shown no such inclination and still don't see what Bibi could do, short of continuing Operation Cast Lead until Hamas doesn't exist as any sort of force in the region. And I don't see anyway that's gonna happen without a LOT of Hama's leaders, fighters and enablers killed.
BTW, thanks for "Jordyptians" - senior moment, you've used that term before and it's SO MUCH MORE ACCURATE than "Palestinains"!

If that's what needs to be done, I trust Netanyahu more than Olmert to get it done. Of course, I could be wrong but, Israeli politics is a whole 'nother ball game.

841 MandyManners  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 9:05:46am

re: #835 Occasional Reader

Howdy.

That's all I have to say.

Battling the hordes yet?

842 albusteve  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 9:05:47am

re: #836 swamprat

As long as Palestine feels that it is oppressed, it will be a problem. and all of Arabia wants Palestine to feel oppressed. If they are not "oppressed", then they will be considered "the friend of the jews", and Arabia will have two enemies. All of Arabia will have to change the way it thinks, followed by Palestine feeling coddled, for peace to have a chance. Peace doesn't have a chance.

And that's the truth.

disarm Gaza...peace is the absence of war

843 Dustyvet  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 9:05:52am

re: #839 lawhawk

WTF. I mean seriously WTF. Germany approves Hamas flags flying, but tears down Israeli flags? The Hamas charter calls for Israel's destruction. It is genocidal in intent. Yet, Israel's flag gets no protection why? Because it might incite Hamas to violence.

[deleted]

/spit

844 Macker  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 9:06:03am

re: #830 smokefire

oldtime football. 5 yards and a cloud of snow

Being a Fair Weather Cardinals Fan, I'm hoping for a Super Bowl matchup between the Cardinals and Steelers (Frak the Ravens!)

845 smokefire  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 9:06:20am

re: #833 Dustyvet

Way back when I still remember a Minnesota Vikings game played in a blinding snow storm, great fun!

..........the Patriots-Dolphins in the GREAT SNOWPLOW GAME

846 yma o hyd  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 9:06:21am

re: #825 realwest

"Trouble is - the Palestinians have so annoyed practically all Arab states except Iran that they'd like nothing betetr than see them fester and blame Israel for it."
Which is why offering even enormous sums of money (which we won't have unless Obama gets the printing presses going 24/7) still won't work. They simply do not want the "Palestinans" in their countries. See, Wiki, re: Black September.

Yep - thats why we must accept that an attitude to that question, based on jodaeo-christian beliefs, will not work, in the end.
Lets not forget that Israel has shown a humanity towards the Gazans unheard of in modern warfare.

Thats why I think that in the end Bibi (or Livni, if she wins) will have to use the special forces and decapitate Hamas and Hezbollah by taking out their leaders, one by one, from the top down - in secret.

847 buzzdroid  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 9:06:23am

oh dear god.. the chief British dhimmi in chief, Gordon Brown, has pledged a tripling of "aid" to Gaza. No mention of Hamas. No moves to isolate them or turn them into pariahs.

so the lesson learned by Hamas ?

Firing rockets is extremely profitable.

848 [deleted]  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 9:06:33am
849 realwest  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 9:06:47am

re: #826 Macker
LOL! Well that's where the hell they ought to wind up!

850 [deleted]  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 9:07:33am
851 goddessoftheclassroom  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 9:07:44am

re: #844 Macker

Being a Fair Weather Cardinals Fan, I'm hoping for a Super Bowl matchup between the Cardinals and Steelers (Frak the Ravens!)

MWAH!

As a kid, I HATED the Steelers because they knocked the Baltimore Colts out of the play-offs. However, since the Colts absconded in the night, and I moved to the Pittsburgh area 13 years ago, I'm a die-hard fan.

852 Occasional Reader  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 9:07:51am

re: #805 yma o hyd

Certainly more practical and more humane that the solution most of us here would like to see - and which would get us banned in the twinkle of a stick!

I don't know what "solution" you're referring to, but I doubt you're speaking for me.

Long term, I think Gaza could go back to Egypt, make it their problem, Israel should make clear that any further attacks from Gaza will be treated as an attack from Egypt. Let the Egyptians deal with the problem accordingly. The West Bank is somewhat tougher, because it represents a real strategic bridgehead into Israeli territory.

853 realwest  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 9:07:59am

re: #840 MandyManners
"Israeli politics is a whole 'nother ball game." Boy ain't that the truth! I hope Bibi wins, I truly do.

854 smokefire  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 9:08:09am

disarm Gaza...peace is the absence of war If it were only so easy

855 Occasional Reader  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 9:08:49am

re: #823 yma o hyd

Heh.
Would be nice if they had he same equipment as the IDF, and didn't need to scrounge around for things like desert boots - which they're known to buy from their American comrades-in-arms ...

Gah. I hadn't heard that. Sorry if it's true; it's shameful, the Brits are superbly trained soldiers, they deserve the best equipment.

856 Macker  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 9:09:13am

re: #851 goddessoftheclassroom

MWAH!

As a kid, I HATED the Steelers because they knocked the Baltimore Colts out of the play-offs. However, since the Colts absconded in the night, and I moved to the Pittsburgh area 13 years ago, I'm a die-hard fan.

And the reason I loathe the Ravens is because Art Modell absconded during the daytime!

857 BigMoo  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 9:09:31am

re: #853 realwest

IS it me or do they seem to recycle the same characters through the PM's office ? I mean more than we do...

858 avanti  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 9:09:56am

re: #836 swamprat

As long as Palestine feels that it is oppressed, it will be a problem. and all of Arabia wants Palestine to feel oppressed. If they are not "oppressed", then they will be considered "the friend of the jews", and Arabia will have two enemies. All of Arabia will have to change the way it thinks, followed by Palestine feeling coddled, for peace to have a chance. Peace doesn't have a chance.

And that's the truth.

Anyone notice how quite the west bank has been while Hamas was being targeted. No major Intifada style uprising, pretty silent considering past history.Maybe Hamas can be weakened enough for Fatah to take back the strip and broker a better peace.

859 albusteve  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 9:10:14am

re: #854 smokefire

disarm Gaza...peace is the absence of war If it were only so easy

I didnt say it would be easy...how is it more difficult than any other solution?...to end violence in Gaza disarm them or nearly so...

860 goddessoftheclassroom  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 9:10:35am

re: #856 Macker

And the reason I loathe the Ravens is because Art Modell absconded during the daytime!

I have to admit I think the team name is cool, I do love Edgar Allan Poe--such a misunderstood genius.

861 rain of lead  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 9:10:50am

time for some funny.
in honor of the evil overlord list at the top oh the thread here is a link
to "things I should do if I become a starfleet captain"

862 yma o hyd  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 9:11:20am

re: #831 Kenneth

Now I know what was bugging me about that Winslet as the cute Nazi movie, The Reader. It's the moral dodge. Not only were the German people only following orders, but they were illiterate too, so they didn't even understand the orders! No wonder the book and movie are so popular in Germany!

Yes - its like saying and showing that even when the Germans were at their worst, there was still a tiny little bit of humanity left ...
Mind - as most of those who elected Hitler are now dead, as are most of those who grew up in those years, its understandable that the children and grandchildren are looking for even the smallest bit which can help them to find some sort of human emotion which might help to understand who their grandparents and parents really were.

863 realwest  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 9:11:47am

re: #852 Occasional Reader
My friend, I think y'all shoulda stuck with "Howdy"!
"Long term, I think Gaza could go back to Egypt, make it their problem, Israel should make clear that any further attacks from Gaza will be treated as an attack from Egypt. Let the Egyptians deal with the problem accordingly."
Yeah, but how do you FORCE Egypt to take back Gaza?
I mean seriously, the Jordyptians (h/t mm) are not wanted in either Egypt or Jordan. So how do you force either nation to take back the Jordyptians?

864 Macker  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 9:11:55am

re: #857 BigMoo

How do you think the Italians feel? They've had more governments than the number of years since WWII!

865 lawhawk  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 9:11:56am

re: #840 MandyManners

Bibi has made similar mistakes in handling Palestinian terrorism in the past too. He engaged in negotiations with Arafat leading to the Wye Accords and the withdrawal of Israelis from Hebron (where Jews had lived for 2000 years). He lost to Barak in 1999, who promptly sought to redouble efforts to negotiate with Arafat, which led to the doomed Camp David meeting in 2000 where Barak promised Arafat a state, and Arafat didn't even have the common courtesy for a counter proposal other than Intifada.

Bibi lost because he was making concessions into the face of terrorism. It's a failed strategy, and yet politicians and diplomats feel it preferable to fighting a war that would eliminate the reason for terrorism in the first place - destroying those who attack Israel and its very right to exist. Will Bibi choose differently this time? I think he's going to do the same as before - pick and choose who to negotiate with - meaning that he will deal with Abbas, even though Abbas is a Holocaust denier who also seek's Israel's destruction, but has a longer term outlook in mind than the direct to war method sought by Hamas.

866 BigMoo  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 9:12:31am

re: #864 Macker

LOL-good point.

867 Dustyvet  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 9:12:34am

re: #845 smokefire

..........the Patriots-Dolphins in the GREAT SNOWPLOW GAME


The Snow Plow Game

868 albusteve  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 9:12:42am

re: #858 avanti

Anyone notice how quite the west bank has been while Hamas was being targeted. No major Intifada style uprising, pretty silent considering past history.Maybe Hamas can be weakened enough for Fatah to take back the strip and broker a better peace.

Fatah are terrorists...they kill innocent people...this best of the worst shit needs to end for Israel...occupy Gaza...disarm the population and cruch Hamas...after that better solutions for the future will present themselve...people didnt think we could win in Iraq....stay focused

869 [deleted]  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 9:13:24am
870 x-wing  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 9:14:03am

re: #851 goddessoftheclassroom

MWAH!

As a kid, I HATED the Steelers because they knocked the Baltimore Colts out of the play-offs. However, since the Colts absconded in the night, and I moved to the Pittsburgh area 13 years ago, I'm a die-hard fan.

I still hate the Steelers. They knocked my team out more than once. But I'm rooting for them this year because I hate the Raves even more, and I really Hate the Eagles. As far as the Cardinals... heh
Good luck to your team today {goddess}

871 MandyManners  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 9:15:03am

re: #846 yma o hyd

Yep - thats why we must accept that an attitude to that question, based on jodaeo-christian beliefs, will not work, in the end.
Lets not forget that Israel has shown a humanity towards the Gazans unheard of in modern warfare.

Thats why I think that in the end Bibi (or Livni, if she wins) will have to use the special forces and decapitate Hamas and Hezbollah by taking out their leaders, one by one, from the top down - in secret.

They'll have to go to Syria.

872 yma o hyd  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 9:15:15am

re: #839 lawhawk

WTF. I mean seriously WTF. Germany approves Hamas flags flying, but tears down Israeli flags? The Hamas charter calls for Israel's destruction. It is genocidal in intent. Yet, Israel's flag gets no protection why? Because it might incite Hamas to violence.

[deleted]

Its going on everywhere - see zombie's report, and what Miss Trixie linked to, a bit upthread.
Police everywhere are now allowing hams- and Hezbollah-flags to be shown, whereas Israeli flags are taken down by the police, so as not to 'incite' the pro-murder-(hamas)-crowd.

Seriously bad times, everywhere.

873 Macker  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 9:15:47am

re: #868 albusteve

Fatah are terrorists...they kill innocent people...this best of the worst shit needs to end for Israel...occupy Gaza...disarm the population and cruch Hamas...after that better solutions for the future will present themselve...people didnt think we could win in Iraq....stay focused

Perhaps we can jam the Paleostinian Authority's TV signals and substitute endless reruns of Plan 9! That'll drive 'em nuts!

874 lawhawk  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 9:15:59am

re: #852 Occasional Reader

I don't know what "solution" you're referring to, but I doubt you're speaking for me.

Long term, I think Gaza could go back to Egypt, make it their problem, Israel should make clear that any further attacks from Gaza will be treated as an attack from Egypt. Let the Egyptians deal with the problem accordingly. The West Bank is somewhat tougher, because it represents a real strategic bridgehead into Israeli territory.

There's no way Egypt would take Gaza back under any circumstances. No amount of money would incentivize Mubarak to take in Muslim Brotherhood acolytes like Hamas. He's got enough of an Islamist problem as it is, that to take in 1.4 million more people who are predisposed to jihad and lashing out at anyone who doesn't approve of their means or methods is just not feasible.

Jordan taking the West Bank is actually much more likely, although Jordan and Israel previously discussed just that when signing their own peace deal. Jordan wants Israel to deal with the Palestinians instead, because of Jordan's own relations with the PLO/Fatah terror infrastructure. The Jordanians have no love lost for the PLO and Fatah because of Black September.

875 goddessoftheclassroom  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 9:16:37am

re: #870 x-wing

I still hate the Steelers. They knocked my team out more than once. But I'm rooting for them this year because I hate the Raves even more, and I really Hate the Eagles. As far as the Cardinals... heh
Good luck to your team today {goddess}

Thanks! I'm glad my team is the one you hate the least! My son banishes me upstairs during the games because I seem to be a jinx. Seriously, the minute I start watching, the Steelers mess up. I am allowed to come down to watch replays, though!

876 MandyManners  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 9:16:39am

re: #858 avanti

Anyone notice how quite the west bank has been while Hamas was being targeted. No major Intifada style uprising, pretty silent considering past history.Maybe Hamas can be weakened enough for Fatah to take back the strip and broker a better peace.

Won't that then give Fatah the opportunity to fire on Israel from both sides? How have the Jordyptians in the West Bank fared under Abu Abbas?

877 realwest  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 9:16:46am

Y'all know that most Jordyptians were born in Gaza, right? I mean we are not talking about "repatriating" just those Jordyptians who were forced out of Jordan and Egypt.
It may very well be - at the end of the day - that Israel will have to get the support of the overwhelming majority of Jordyptians to disavow Hamas - point them out and their hiding places out to IDF forces, the same way the Iraqi's tossed aside the Al-Q sponsored "Freedom Fighters" in Iraq when they turned the "Freedom Fighters" over to Coalition Forces. But the real question is how do you get the Jordyptians to do that? I have to say the only way I can think of to do that is to make the Jordyptians realize that there will be NO PEACE until they do.

878 Lincolntf  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 9:16:50am

re: #852 Occasional Reader

Sounds good, but my skepticism of all things in the region forces me to play Devil's Advocate as to why it won't happen.
The problem is that Egypt has no use for Gaza. They don't want to be responsible for the inevitable attacks from their territory and Israel probably doesn't want a country as (potentially) powerful as Egypt within such close range of their major cities.
The so-called "moderate" state of Egypt could become as bad as any other country in the region overnight as the result of a coup, an election or a good old fashioned failed government. If that happens, Israel won't be fighting guerrillas and civilians, they'll be fighting a real standing Army. Not that Isr. couldn't win, but why invite such a possibility?

879 albusteve  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 9:17:40am

re: #873 Macker

Perhaps we can jam the Paleostinian Authority's TV signals and substitute endless reruns of Plan 9! That'll drive 'em nuts!

THAT'S what we're talkin about!

880 MandyManners  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 9:18:05am

re: #865 lawhawk

Bibi has made similar mistakes in handling Palestinian terrorism in the past too. He engaged in negotiations with Arafat leading to the Wye Accords and the withdrawal of Israelis from Hebron (where Jews had lived for 2000 years). He lost to Barak in 1999, who promptly sought to redouble efforts to negotiate with Arafat, which led to the doomed Camp David meeting in 2000 where Barak promised Arafat a state, and Arafat didn't even have the common courtesy for a counter proposal other than Intifada.

Bibi lost because he was making concessions into the face of terrorism. It's a failed strategy, and yet politicians and diplomats feel it preferable to fighting a war that would eliminate the reason for terrorism in the first place - destroying those who attack Israel and its very right to exist. Will Bibi choose differently this time? I think he's going to do the same as before - pick and choose who to negotiate with - meaning that he will deal with Abbas, even though Abbas is a Holocaust denier who also seek's Israel's destruction, but has a longer term outlook in mind than the direct to war method sought by Hamas.

I hope Netanyahu has learned the error of his ways nine years ago.

881 callahan23  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 9:18:41am

re: #839 lawhawk

WTF. I mean seriously WTF. Germany approves Hamas flags flying, but tears down Israeli flags? The Hamas charter calls for Israel's destruction. It is genocidal in intent. Yet, Israel's flag gets no protection why? Because it might incite Hamas to violence.

[deleted]

Germany is a seriously f***ed up place.
I know, I live here.
LGF is my antidote to living in 'old Europe'.

882 BigMoo  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 9:18:49am

Interesting story, my niece has been (maybe was) dating a nice college kid from Univ New Mexico (she also attends). He's been raised Muslim and apparently all was going well until the topic of Gaza came up this week. He proudly announced to her that his mosque in Albuquerque raised over $110K to provide new ambulances for Gaza. When she questioned a 'You Tube' video she saw showing Hamas militants using ambulances as troop transports, he apparently went ballistic.
My real point to this post is...if a Mosque in Albuquerque can raise over $110K in a week, imagine the cash flowing into Hamas/Gaza from other, larger cities of this country-and outside...

883 Dustyvet  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 9:18:53am

re: #879 albusteve

THAT'S what we're talkin about!

Up Ding one each...:)

884 [deleted]  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 9:20:19am
885 yma o hyd  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 9:20:32am

re: #852 Occasional Reader

I don't know what "solution" you're referring to, but I doubt you're speaking for me.

Long term, I think Gaza could go back to Egypt, make it their problem, Israel should make clear that any further attacks from Gaza will be treated as an attack from Egypt. Let the Egyptians deal with the problem accordingly. The West Bank is somewhat tougher, because it represents a real strategic bridgehead into Israeli territory.

Thing is - egypt does not want Gaza as long as Hamas is the ruling force - nor does Jordan want the West Bank as long as Fatah is the ruling force.
None of the Arab countries want anything to do with the Palestinians ruled by these entities.
That is the reality which the Palestinians need to recognise.
Unfortunately, Iran and Syria - and saddam while he was alive - used the Palestinians to stir up trouble amongst all arab nations for their own ends. At present, those Arab nations are saying boo to Israel while secretly clapping their hands for what the IDf did.
Its a huge mess - and it won't end without an end to Hamas.

886 goddessoftheclassroom  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 9:20:40am

re: #882 BigMoo

Interesting story, my niece has been (maybe was) dating a nice college kid from Univ New Mexico (she also attends). He's been raised Muslim and apparently all was going well until the topic of Gaza came up this week. He proudly announced to her that his mosque in Albuquerque raised over $110K to provide new ambulances for Gaza. When she questioned a 'You Tube' video she saw showing Hamas militants using ambulances as troop transports, he apparently went ballistic.
My real point to this post is...if a Mosque in Albuquerque can raise over $110K in a week, imagine the cash flowing into Hamas/Gaza from other, larger cities of this country-and outside...

If he went "ballistic" over a political point, I hope your niece is seriously reconsidering this relationship.

887 Macker  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 9:20:53am

re: #879 albusteve

THAT'S what we're talkin about!

Which version: the original, or colorized?

888 MandyManners  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 9:20:55am

re: #882 BigMoo

Interesting story, my niece has been (maybe was) dating a nice college kid from Univ New Mexico (she also attends). He's been raised Muslim and apparently all was going well until the topic of Gaza came up this week. He proudly announced to her that his mosque in Albuquerque raised over $110K to provide new ambulances for Gaza. When she questioned a 'You Tube' video she saw showing Hamas militants using ambulances as troop transports, he apparently went ballistic.
My real point to this post is...if a Mosque in Albuquerque can raise over $110K in a week, imagine the cash flowing into Hamas/Gaza from other, larger cities of this country-and outside...

How close are you to her?

889 smokefire  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 9:21:13am

Thats why I think that in the end Bibi (or Livni, if she wins) will have to use the special forces and decapitate Hamas and Hezbollah by taking out their leaders, one by one, from the top down - in secret.

They'll have to go to Syria.

And attack Israel from there.
Until they [Hamas and Hezbollah] are eliminated, whether in secret or in public, Israel will have a knife poised at her throat. This is the why not only the head of the serpent, but the entire serpent must be killed, or in better terms Hamas and Hezzbolah must be removed from the face of the earth.

890 BigMoo  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 9:21:18am

re: #884 buzzsawmonkey

That would be MY bet. Apparently, their friendship has hit a 'speedbump'. Made for interesting dinner conversation last night.

891 Dustyvet  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 9:21:36am

re: #884 buzzsawmonkey

I assume he "went ballistic" not because the ambulances were being used as troop transports, but because such usage was exposed?

They tend to get ugly when they get caught.

892 [deleted]  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 9:21:49am
893 realwest  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 9:21:49am

re: #874 lawhawk
Yep, you're spot on with that one. The major problem here is that NO ARAB STATE want's the Jordyptians living in their borders. NONE OF THEM.
So I think the only real answer is as I posited in my #
877.

894 yma o hyd  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 9:22:07am

re: #855 Occasional Reader

Gah. I hadn't heard that. Sorry if it's true; it's shameful, the Brits are superbly trained soldiers, they deserve the best equipment.

Yeah - but Gord would rather give money to Hamas than equip and pay our squaddies properly!

895 BigMoo  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 9:22:55am

re: #888 MandyManners

Not real close, just a 'back to college' dinner last night.

896 avanti  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 9:23:23am

Fatah is not a moderate organization, even by Arab standards, but they seem more pragmatic that Hamas and might be a better candidate to start the ball moving. The fact that they are sitting back while there brothers are getting there asses kicked might indicate they are looking for a deal.
I rather see us talking to the leader on the west bank then even under the table talks with Hamas.

897 Killgore Trout  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 9:25:12am

re: #882 BigMoo

There's tons of money being donated for Gaza. It's pretty much a scam. The mosque keeps some then they give it to a charity who keeps some and they give it to an NGO who keeps some. By the time it gets to Hamas they buy a few rockets and mortars and keep the rest. That money never reaches the people.

898 MandyManners  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 9:25:12am

re: #895 BigMoo

Not real close, just a 'back to college' dinner last night.

I hope she dumps his butt pronto.

899 realwest  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 9:25:42am

re: #847 buzzdroid
Yup, and the only antidote to that is to make firing rockets/mortars into Israel EXTREMELY unprofitable.
And let's not forget, shall we, that the possibility exists that Hamas will get rockets from Iran that can reach Dimona. And if that happens, Operation Cast Lead will look like a paint ball game.

900 [deleted]  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 9:26:09am
901 BigMoo  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 9:26:30am

re: #898 MandyManners

LOL-yeah that sounded like the plan last night. I think this 'spooked' her (rightly so)a bit...and her folks as well.

902 goddessoftheclassroom  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 9:27:19am

re: #898 MandyManners

I hope she dumps his butt pronto.

{MandyManners}

I have to laugh at how you and I often say the exact same thing in totally different ways!

903 realwest  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 9:27:43am

re: #889 smokefire
"Hamas and Hezzbolah must be removed from the face of the earth." Yeah, but you need to make clear that's who you're talking about, not the Jordyptians themselves, "just" those two terrorist organizations.

904 albusteve  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 9:27:45am

all this yammering about what to do with Gaza is pointless unless and until Hamas is destroyed...Israel can then appeal publiclyto both Egypt and Jordan as to if they are willing to take Gazan refugees if they wanted to migrate...assuming the answer is no....it's a yes or no question...then Gaza becomes the property of Israel...and they have the right and authority to do whatever they want...splitting hairs and cutting deals with this guy or that group is nonsense and everyone knows it...time for Israel to cut to the chase with her neighbors the UN and even the US....unarmed palis are just people wandering around...Hamas is an illegal and immoral entity and the proof is in the pudding...

905 yma o hyd  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 9:27:57am

re: #898 MandyManners

I hope she dumps his butt pronto.

I hope so, too!
If she marries him, she'll become a Muslima, never mind if she wants to be one or not.

906 Occasional Reader  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 9:28:52am

Folks, I'm well aware that Egypt does not want the Gaza Palis back. Just saying, that may be the end result of some Grand Bargain, and a solution of sorts. The Egyptians could stomp as hard as they want on Hamas, and the world would yawn.

Not saying it would work. But it's hard to see any good solutions here.

907 MandyManners  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 9:29:31am

re: #905 yma o hyd

I hope so, too!
If she marries him, she'll become a Muslima, never mind if she wants to be one or not.

I know a family here where the father is a Muslim, the mother is a Baptist and the boys are being raised in the Baptist church.

bbl

908 Kenneth  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 9:29:31am

The problem is bigger & deeper than Gaza and Hamas. Hamas was created by the Muslim Brotherhood. The Egyptians, Jordanians & Saudis have all outlawed the MB but cannot thoroughly get rid of it. Iran has supported Hamas, and MB, as a means to undermine the Arab regimes. This makes the Arabs dislike MB all the more. The Arabs are happy to see Israel crush the MB in Gaza, as it solves their problem without dirtying their hands.

But Israel can only do so much. Hamas continues to have a base of support in Gaza, he West Bank, and through the MB, from around the world. Some have speculated the Israeli-Egyptian-Jordanian strategy is for Israel to grind down Hamas to the point where Fatah can take them on and gain power again in Gaza.

That only solves a small problem, but leaves the bigger problems untouched. Iran & MB will continue to meddle in the Arab states. Iran still has Hezbollah & Syria under their direction & control. Fatah still wants to destroy Israel, just more slowly than Hamas. At most, the Gaza operation is a small phase in shaping the battlefield for the larger coming war with Iran.

909 Occasional Reader  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 9:29:39am

re: #897 Killgore Trout

There's tons of money being donated for Gaza. It's pretty much a scam. The mosque keeps some then they give it to a charity who keeps some and they give it to an NGO who keeps some. By the time it gets to Hamas they buy a few rockets and mortars and keep the rest. That money never reaches the people.

The rockets and mortars are what "the people" want, silly.

910 Timbre  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 9:29:51am

Interesting data from The Israel Project:

Israel’s Humanitarian Aid to Gaza

1,365 truckloads of humanitarian aid that have been delivered through Israeli crossings into Gaza since the beginning of Operation Cast Lead, including basic food commodities, medication, medical supplies, blood units and donations by various governments and blood units. [3]
440,000 gallons (1.7 liters) of fuel conveyed through Israel's Nahal Oz fuel terminal and Kerem Shalom goods crossing. [4]

38 Palestinians evacuated to Israel for medical treatment (including two children). [5]

980,000 leaflets disseminated by the Israel Defense Forces (IDF) to Gaza civilians instructing them to stay away from terrorists and weapons storage sites [6]

30,000+ telephone calls made to Gaza residents warning them of impending air-strikes. [7]

33,580 tons of aid transported into Gaza at the request of international organizations, the Palestinian Authority and various governments since the beginning of Operation Cast Lead. The World Food Program informed Israel more than two weeks ago that it would cease shipment of food to Gaza because warehouses were at full capacity. [8] [9]

911 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 9:30:26am

I suspect this has already come up, but, just in case...

Feds Say Obama Prayer Leader Is From Group Linked to Hamas

"A Muslim scholar chosen to speak at President-elect Barack Obama's inaugural prayer service Wednesday is the leader of a group that federal prosecutors say has ties to terrorists."

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

912 yma o hyd  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 9:30:31am

re: #906 Occasional Reader

Folks, I'm well aware that Egypt does not want the Gaza Palis back. Just saying, that may be the end result of some Grand Bargain, and a solution of sorts. The Egyptians could stomp as hard as they want on Hamas, and the world would yawn.

Not saying it would work. But it's hard to see any good solutions here.

The more frightening scenario would be that after Mubarak's death Hamas and the Muslim Brotherhood take over and turn Egypt and thus Gaza into a second Iran ...

913 callahan23  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 9:30:31am

re: #896 avanti

Fatah is not a moderate organization, even by Arab standards, but they seem more pragmatic that Hamas and might be a better candidate to start the ball moving. The fact that they are sitting back while there brothers are getting there asses kicked might indicate they are looking for a deal.
I rather see us talking to the leader on the west bank then even under the table talks with Hamas.

Hamas is mainly driven by overzealous religious dogma, i.e. killing Jews. Whilst Fatah derives it's roots from the PFLP which is in essence "a Marxist-Leninist, secular, nationalist Palestinian political" -party. Secular, which is why they can be pragmatic.

914 albusteve  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 9:30:33am

re: #900 buzzsawmonkey

"Pragmatic" means merely that they will tone down the rhetoric enough to be acceptable to the self-deluding.

There is no "Palestinian" leadership that is willing to seriously agree to a compromise, which is what any "peace agreement" must of necessity be--and there is no "Palestinian" leadership that has ever fulfilled its side of any agreement.

Why talk to them? Why grant them even that shred of credibility?

right...why dont people get it?

915 avanti  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 9:30:38am

re: #876 MandyManners

Won't that then give Fatah the opportunity to fire on Israel from both sides? How have the Jordyptians in the West Bank fared under Abu Abbas?

If you think Fatah is not a possible peace partner, what do we do with the west bank if Hamas is knocked out ? I think if we got rid of Hamas, Jordan and others might help break the Syria/Iran influence.

916 [deleted]  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 9:31:08am
917 yma o hyd  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 9:31:38am

re: #907 MandyManners

I know a family here where the father is a Muslim, the mother is a Baptist and the boys are being raised in the Baptist church.

bbl

Wow!
Must be a forceful woman!

(Exeption to the rule, perhaps?)

918 reine.de.tout  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 9:31:44am

re: #916 buzzsawmonkey

If they go to the father's home country, the kids will be considered Muslims notwithstanding and might not be allowed to leave. There are cases where this sort of thing has happened, in Saudi Arabia and Afghanistan, possibly other countries too.

"Not Without My Daughter", Iran.

919 lawhawk  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 9:32:46am

re: #913 callahan23

Fatah has been not as violent as Hamas if only because their leaders have gotten sidetracked by corruption; Arafat squandered hundreds of millions as did other Fatah leaders - it was one of the things Hamas exploited in the 2006 election; Fatah thugs and their lavish compounds while Gazans lived in squalor (ignore that both groups have no intention of ever changing that fact).

920 newsjunkie_ky  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 9:33:04am

re: #901 BigMoo

LOL-yeah that sounded like the plan last night. I think this 'spooked' her (rightly so)a bit...and her folks as well.


Friend of my daughter's married a guy from iran. They sold everything they had here to move to CA, but were first going to iran to visit family. That was two summers ago. Haven't heard from her since. I doubt she has ever made it back to America.

921 realwest  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 9:33:43am

re: #906 Occasional Reader
"But it's hard to see any good solutions here."
And THAT is the real problem. As I've said before, unless and until Hamas and Hezbollah are thrown into the trash bins of history, there really IS no good solution here.
Israel has an absolute right and indeed a moral obligation to protect it's citizens from attacks from either Gaza, Lebanon or anyplace else. And since I doubt that ANYTHING will compel Egypt or Jordan to take the Jordyptians in, so to speak, Hamas and Hezbollah HAVE TO GO.

922 DeafDog  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 9:35:06am

re: #906 Occasional Reader

Folks, I'm well aware that Egypt does not want the Gaza Palis back. Just saying, that may be the end result of some Grand Bargain, and a solution of sorts. The Egyptians could stomp as hard as they want on Hamas, and the world would yawn.

Not saying it would work. But it's hard to see any good solutions here.

I can appreciate the need to throw out ideas to see if any have merit.

My crazy scheme that I'll throuw out for the masses to ridicule is to use our new relationship to Iraq to relieve the pressure-valve in Gaza. The idea is to provide some Palastenians employment opportunities in Iraq's rebuilding. This would not be a mass-resettlement, but it would provide an opportunity to some of the more ambitious & Civil of the Palastinians a chance to succeed.

923 Timbre  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 9:35:36am

re: #906 Occasional Reader

Gaza should become part of Egypt--completely, not some annexed territory. You are right--somehow, someway, using all sorts of politics and economics, there is bound to be a way that such an arrangement can be developed.

924 goddessoftheclassroom  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 9:36:10am

re: #920 newsjunkie_ky

Friend of my daughter's married a guy from iran. They sold everything they had here to move to CA, but were first going to iran to visit family. That was two summers ago. Haven't heard from her since. I doubt she has ever made it back to America.

That is so sad.

925 [deleted]  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 9:36:27am
926 Kenneth  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 9:37:23am

re: #915 avanti

You cannot turn a corrupt terrorist organization into a credible 'partner for peace' just because your Road Map for Peace needs one. Syria has been at war with Israel since 1948, long before the Islamic revolution. The notion of turning Syria away from Iran is ridiculous. The Syrian regime cannot survive without Iranian backing.

927 realwest  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 9:37:40am

re: #923 Timbre
GAH! So then Egypt has to deal with the Muslim Brotherhood and HAMAS within it's own borders? That might make Gaza even more toxic to Israel.

928 newsjunkie_ky  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 9:39:05am

re: #924 goddessoftheclassroom

That is so sad.


I tried to tell my daughter that she will probably never see her friend again and that the girl should not go to iran. My daughter said I was being a racist. She doesn't say anything like that anymore.

929 realwest  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 9:39:13am

BBL.

930 DeafDog  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 9:39:27am

re: #920 newsjunkie_ky

Friend of my daughter's married a guy from iran. They sold everything they had here to move to CA, but were first going to iran to visit family. That was two summers ago. Haven't heard from her since. I doubt she has ever made it back to America.

Too sad

931 Timbre  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 9:40:16am

re: #927 realwest

Somehow, someway. I know you know about "best medicine." Sometimes the cure can almost kill. But it also works...sometimes.

932 [deleted]  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 9:40:21am
933 albusteve  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 9:40:33am

re: #923 Timbre

Gaza should become part of Egypt--completely, not some annexed territory. You are right--somehow, someway, using all sorts of politics and economics, there is bound to be a way that such an arrangement can be developed.

not gonna happen...that's been explained endlessly...Iraq doesnt need or want pali workers imported from Gaza...Syria will have nothing to do with palis...when Egypt and Jordan OFICIALLY turn their back on the palis the Isarael will need to occupy Gaza forever if necessary....if everyone ignores the palis then no one has any claim on what becomes of them except Israel....but first things first...Hamas must be destoyed...I dont see it as all that complicated...the UN is so full of bullshit they are irrelevent and should be treated that way...it's life and death not some boardgame

934 realwest  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 9:40:41am

re: #928 newsjunkie_ky
God, what a horrid way to learn a lesson - I'm sorry for you {news} - and this on top of your stepdad's situation.
{News}

935 BigMoo  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 9:40:43am

re: #920 newsjunkie_ky

That's incredibly sad.

936 goddessoftheclassroom  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 9:40:49am

re: #925 buzzsawmonkey

A conflict will always be won by the less civilized of the two combatants. The more civilized one will have to fight at the level of the more barbaric with NO APOLOGIES for doing so,

Whenever a student of mine opines, "Fighting never solves anything," I reply, "Nonsense. OF course it does." They just look at me in amazement.

Fighting is not my preferred method of conflict resolution, but I will not hesitate to adopt it if the alternative is defeat.

937 callahan23  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 9:40:54am

re: #920 newsjunkie_ky

Ooh horrid.

Listening to such stories always knots my stomach.
And makes my brain go gaga as to the ignorance of western women who /"haven't heard" about "Not Without My Daughter".

938 faraway  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 9:41:16am

Sad News:

The New York Times is under the gun to raise cash as a $400 million credit line expires in May. The recession has squeezed the paper, which reported a 21 percent drop in ad revenue in November.

The embattled New York Times Co., trying to wriggle out from under a pile of debt as advertising revenue dries up, is talking to Mexican billionaire Carlos Slim about making a sizeable cash investment in the company.

939 funky chicken  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 9:41:21am

re: #818 yma o hyd

Saddam took in a fair number of palestinian scum, right? He threw Kurds out of their homes and gave them to the palis, from what I remember.

I don't see too many other folks who will be interested in doing that, for any amount of money.

940 [deleted]  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 9:41:32am
941 goddessoftheclassroom  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 9:41:33am

re: #928 newsjunkie_ky

I tried to tell my daughter that she will probably never see her friend again and that the girl should not go to iran. My daughter said I was being a racist. She doesn't say anything like that anymore.

And I'd bet you wish you'd been wrong.

942 [deleted]  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 9:42:15am
943 akak  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 9:42:19am

re: #912 yma o hyd

The more frightening scenario would be that after Mubarak's death Hamas and the Muslim Brotherhood take over and turn Egypt and thus Gaza into a second Iran ...

As Islam turns....these are the days of our lives.

Hey if the Muslim Brotherhood is good enough to lead prayer at Obama inauguration or get deep inside Bush admin, why not Egypt?

944 realwest  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 9:42:25am

re: #938 faraway
Gee faraway - where's the "sad" part of that news?

945 [deleted]  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 9:42:44am
946 nyc redneck  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 9:43:31am

re: #663 Ojoe

Hi Goddess, here is a link for you, apropos the prayer list.

Mountain hermit from Romania.

i loved hearing the birdies in the background.
:)

947 goddessoftheclassroom  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 9:43:46am

re: #945 buzzsawmonkey

Fighting may not be the preferred method of conflict resolution, but there are times when it is the only workable one.

Exactly, especially when a civilized entity is in conflict with an uncivilized one,

948 realwest  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 9:44:01am

BBIAW!

949 BigMoo  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 9:44:07am

re: #938 faraway

I could gloat, but that accomplishes nothing. They ran a 'legacy business model', with blinders on. It's called capitalism-survival of the fittest...at least it was until last October...and this week.

950 yma o hyd  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 9:44:10am

re: #928 newsjunkie_ky

I tried to tell my daughter that she will probably never see her friend again and that the girl should not go to iran. My daughter said I was being a racist. She doesn't say anything like that anymore.

{nwsjunkie_ky}
That is so sad - I wish your daughter didn't have to learn that lesson the hard way, that the truth is not racism.

A for her friend - may God protect her and her children.

951 Dustyvet  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 9:44:19am

re: #942 smokefire

.............would you like a latte with that Achmed

Achmed's Rooster would like a cookie...and two fingers of Jack Daniels.

952 DeafDog  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 9:44:32am

re: #933 albusteve

....but first things first...Hamas must be destoyed...

On that, we agree

953 Occasional Reader  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 9:44:50am

re: #925 buzzsawmonkey

I learned the folly of this the hard way, many years ago, when my college roommate and I foolishly gave a ride to pair of hitchhikers about our own age who jumped us with a crescent wrench and started beating us about the head and shoulders in order to rob us. It took several very painful swipes on my head to drive home to me that "surely we can discuss our differences" was not an available option.

Did you attempt to sit down with them without preconditions to discuss their grievances?

954 albusteve  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 9:44:59am

re: #925 buzzsawmonkey

Because there are lots of people who think, wrongly, that "everyone wants peace"; who believe that "everyone is reasonable"; who believe that just because there is a problem there must be a solution--and who are willing to do everything to placate the more intractable party merely in the interest of finding a solution.

Our chattering classes--in politics and the media--are rife with people subject to this self-delusion, and there is, alas, every indication that our new Chief Executive is one of them.

I learned the folly of this the hard way, many years ago, when my college roommate and I foolishly gave a ride to pair of hitchhikers about our own age who jumped us with a crescent wrench and started beating us about the head and shoulders in order to rob us. It took several very painful swipes on my head to drive home to me that "surely we can discuss our differences" was not an available option.

you are very lucky amigo...maybe you should conjure a nice ballad for us :)

955 [deleted]  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 9:45:20am
956 faraway  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 9:46:05am

Would Omarosa be the best actress to play Michelle Obama in a movie?

957 avanti  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 9:46:25am

re: #911 Walter L. Newton

I suspect this has already come up, but, just in case...

Feds Say Obama Prayer Leader Is From Group Linked to Hamas

.]

Linked, is a funny word. They are on a list of a unindited conspirators and I have yet to find what the link is. With 100's Mosques in the organization, it's quite possible some are up to no good. It should be pointed out that the Bush administration has worked with the group and it is a considered a moderate group.
You could write a headline about the Pope heading up a organization with ties to pedophilia that woud just be as sensational.
If you'd provide me with a link that shows what the ties are to Hamas, I'd share your concern. But like the dust up about Warren by the left, it's just a prayer, not a cabinet post.
My suspicion is that no Muslim could be found to give a prayer that would make everyone happy.

958 [deleted]  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 9:46:53am
959 Occasional Reader  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 9:47:12am

re: #936 goddessoftheclassroom

A conflict will always be won by the less civilized of the two combatants.

No, I can't agree with that broad a statement.

960 VegasRick  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 9:47:16am

re: #956 faraway

Would Omarosa be the best actress to play Michelle Obama in a movie?

I mwas thinging "Wheezee".

961 MandyManners  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 9:47:25am

re: #916 buzzsawmonkey

If they go to the father's home country, the kids will be considered Muslims notwithstanding and might not be allowed to leave. There are cases where this sort of thing has happened, in Saudi Arabia and Afghanistan, possibly other countries too.

He's from here.

962 Sharmuta  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 9:47:45am

re: #955 buzzsawmonkey

Plenty of people hear such stories and assume, "Oh, that will never happen to me." Then they learn otherwise.

Writer Phyllis Chesler, if memory serves, had to learn this the hard way; she had been married to an Afghan who took her back to his home country, and she discovered what the status of women was really like in Afghanistan. She had to beat her way back to civilization with great difficulty.

Dr Chesler wrote about that experience in her book 'The Death of Feminism'. I highly recommend it to all Lizards as she explores why it is the so-called feminist movement doesn't concern itself with the plight of muslim women.

963 yma o hyd  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 9:47:46am

re: #936 goddessoftheclassroom

A conflict will always be won by the less civilized of the two combatants. The more civilized one will have to fight at the level of the more barbaric with NO APOLOGIES for doing so,

Whenever a student of mine opines, "Fighting never solves anything," I reply, "Nonsense. OF course it does." They just look at me in amazement.

Fighting is not my preferred method of conflict resolution, but I will not hesitate to adopt it if the alternative is defeat.

Wise words!

Ask them if they'd be content with Nazi Germany ruling all of Europe - which would have happened had the Allies not fought the way they did, and which would have happened had the then MFM put the same onus of 'proportionality' on the Allies which they now demand fron the Israelis.

964 kansas  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 9:48:03am

re: #944 realwest

The sad part is now papers all over the country will be spouting NY Times bullshit with a Mexican bent.

965 Occasional Reader  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 9:48:12am

re: #938 faraway

Sad News:

The New York Times is under the gun to raise cash as a $400 million credit line expires in May. The recession has squeezed the paper, which reported a 21 percent drop in ad revenue in November.

The embattled New York Times Co., trying to wriggle out from under a pile of debt as advertising revenue dries up, is talking to Mexican billionaire Carlos Slim about making a sizeable cash investment in the company.

So the Times' chances of saving itself are Slim, or none?

966 MandyManners  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 9:48:16am

re: #917 yma o hyd

Wow!
Must be a forceful woman!

(Exeption to the rule, perhaps?)

I wouldn't mess with her for all the tea in China.

967 funky chicken  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 9:48:26am

re: #839 lawhawk

WTF. I mean seriously WTF. Germany approves Hamas flags flying, but tears down Israeli flags? The Hamas charter calls for Israel's destruction. It is genocidal in intent. Yet, Israel's flag gets no protection why? Because it might incite Hamas to violence.

[deleted]

Heh. You should hear my husband's opinion of our German "allies" over in Afghanistan. The executive summary--we only need the Brits and Aussies if we're going to go to war any time in the future. The rest are window dressing.

Oh, and the French military guys he works with are nice, and militarily competent...he said they must be quite different from French civilians. Of course the French just elected Sarko and we just elected Obama...so perhaps we've been too hasty to slam the French? I think I'm going to start buying French wine instead of CA moonbat stuff.

About the German "troops" um, I'd get banned if I repeated it

968 goddessoftheclassroom  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 9:48:28am

re: #959 Occasional Reader

No, I can't agree with that broad a statement.

I did explain my position further.

969 VegasRick  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 9:48:28am

re: #960 VegasRick

I mwas thinging "Wheezee".

Wow. PIMF.

was thinking

970 Timbre  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 9:48:42am

re: #933 albusteve

I understand your points. But it has also been pointed out thousands of times on LGF alone that Palestinians are primarily Muslims. And Hamas are exclusively Jihad-Muslims. And Jihad-Muslims are worldwide and support almost every Jihad operation, including the Gaza. "Wiping out" Hamas is impossible. It is like saying we will eradicate smallpox. By inducing Egypt to take responsibility for that parcel of land, the situation can be improved. Maybe only by 10%, but I read no other solution that offers better on a sustainable level.

971 newsjunkie_ky  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 9:48:48am

re: #934 realwest
{realwest}
She still voted for the zero. Will take time to bring her to sanity.

972 [deleted]  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 9:48:55am
973 faraway  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 9:49:12am

re: #965 Occasional Reader

So the Times' chances of saving itself are Slim, or none?

I bow again in your presence

974 Killgore Trout  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 9:49:14am

Please don't link to Jihad Watch.

975 smokefire  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 9:49:32am

re: #951 Dustyvet

Achmed's Rooster would like a cookie...and two fingers of Jack Daniels.

man after my own heart. Just forgot, am ouot of single malt scotch. Might have to get into wife's Kettle One Vodka before big games.

976 newsjunkie_ky  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 9:49:39am

re: #935 BigMoo

That's incredibly sad.

Yes it is. And I fear it happens more than we know.

977 albusteve  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 9:50:28am

re: #959 Occasional Reader

No, I can't agree with that broad a statement.

Attila!...drop that bow you heathen!

978 smokefire  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 9:50:49am

re: #952 DeafDog

On that, we agree

And agree too.
destroyed, eliminated, exterminated, never to be seen again.

979 avanti  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 9:51:16am

OK, a Obama screwed up as far as I'm concerned. The full concert at the Lincoln Memorial is being sold to HBO. Not that you guys would watch, and it's been done before, but it rubs me the wrong way. I don't know the details, but I don't care for it so far.

980 newsjunkie_ky  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 9:51:17am

re: #937 callahan23

Ooh horrid.

Listening to such stories always knots my stomach.
And makes my brain go gaga as to the ignorance of western women who /"haven't heard" about "Not Without My Daughter".

They are so enlightened.

981 faraway  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 9:51:35am

NY Times will be renamed the Neuvo York Tiempos

982 Occasional Reader  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 9:51:35am

re: #968 goddessoftheclassroom

I did explain my position further.

Even with the further explanation, I don't agree.

Our troops in Iraq have beaten down the "insurgents", while consistently behaving in a far more civilized manner than they do. Just one example.

983 albusteve  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 9:52:00am

re: #970 Timbre

I understand your points. But it has also been pointed out thousands of times on LGF alone that Palestinians are primarily Muslims. And Hamas are exclusively Jihad-Muslims. And Jihad-Muslims are worldwide and support almost every Jihad operation, including the Gaza. "Wiping out" Hamas is impossible. It is like saying we will eradicate smallpox. By inducing Egypt to take responsibility for that parcel of land, the situation can be improved. Maybe only by 10%, but I read no other solution that offers better on a sustainable level.

how do you know wiping out Hamas is impossible?...it's never been tried...as for the rest so be it

984 newsjunkie_ky  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 9:52:21am

re: #941 goddessoftheclassroom

And I'd bet you wish you'd been wrong.

Yes.

985 kansas  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 9:52:29am

So Israel declares a unilateral cease fire, Hamas unloads some more rockets, and demands the Zionists out in a week? Personally I would unload every bit of ordnance I had left on the mother#############3.

986 MandyManners  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 9:53:27am

re: #957 avanti

Linked, is a funny word. They are on a list of a unindited conspirators and I have yet to find what the link is. With 100's Mosques in the organization, it's quite possible some are up to no good. It should be pointed out that the Bush administration has worked with the group and it is a considered a moderate group.
You could write a headline about the Pope heading up a organization with ties to pedophilia that woud just be as sensational.
If you'd provide me with a link that shows what the ties are to Hamas, I'd share your concern. But like the dust up about Warren by the left, it's just a prayer, not a cabinet post.
My suspicion is that no Muslim could be found to give a prayer that would make everyone happy.

I see you're still trying to sell the preposterious notion that CBBHO is unaware of his guests' affiliations.

987 Dustyvet  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 9:54:39am

Anyone remember Betty Mahmoody who wrote the book

"Not Without My Daughter"


Her book, Not Without My Daughter, is an account of her claimed experiences in 1984, when she and her husband, Sayyed Bozorg "Moody" Mahmoody, and daughter, Mahtob, traveled to Iran for what was supposed to be a two week visit. Betty claimed that her husband had no intention of returning to the US, also refusing to allow his family to travel back. The book claims that he became domineering and abusive toward her and their daughter.

Although born in the United States, Iranian law claimed their daughter Mahtob as an Iranian citizen and also Betty herself, as marriage to Moody had made her an automatic Iranian citizen, who could not leave the country without her father's permission. Faced with the fact that she would only be allowed to leave if she left her daughter with her husband, she stayed in Iran for 18 months. Eventually, she and her daughter left her husband and Iran, crossing into Turkey and reaching the U.S. embassy. They were returned to the United States.

Subsequently, she refused to allow any contacts between her husband and their daughter.

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

988 callahan23  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 9:55:28am

re: #919 lawhawk

You are right corrupt as corrupt can be, yet secular and in the aftermath of 'Operation Defensive Shield' as their terror resources were drained the West Bank economy rebounded to never before seen levels.
I just read an article by 'Natan Sharansky' (hat tip: Israellycool) very interesting food for thought.
A corrupt secular person can be bought and even convinced by facts like growing economy.
On the other hand a religious fanatic like Hamas, Hisbollah and Muslim Brotherhood person cannot be reasoned with.

989 Occasional Reader  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 9:55:28am

re: #972 buzzsawmonkey

and whipped with the aerial that they broke off the car.

Clearly they were angry at your flaunting your materialistic automobile at them.

/

990 DeafDog  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 9:56:14am

re: #956 faraway

Would Omarosa be the best actress to play Michelle Obama in a movie?

Martin Lawrence should revive his character from "Big Momma's House"

991 ciaospirit  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 9:57:14am

re: #920 newsjunkie_ky

Friend of my daughter's married a guy from iran. They sold everything they had here to move to CA, but were first going to iran to visit family. That was two summers ago. Haven't heard from her since. I doubt she has ever made it back to America.

I know someone who married a Saudi. They went there to visit his family, she was told. Once there, he said they were staying permanently. They had to wear burkas and couldn't leave the house on their own. He then went on to rape the daughter (about 12 years old IIRC) on a regular basis and threatened to kill the child's mother if the little girl told. Eventually the mother found out. She told the Saudi that she was going back to America. He refused to allow it. He also told her that if she tried to go and took their son, he would hunt her down and kill her. The woman and her daughter planned an escape and managed to run to the US Embassy. The Embassy helped them get back to America. The little girl said when she landed in NYC, she and her mother knelt down and kissed the ground. The mother hasn't seen her son since they escaped Saudi Arabia and probably never will.

992 albusteve  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 9:57:50am

re: #988 callahan23

You are right corrupt as corrupt can be, yet secular and in the aftermath of 'Operation Defensive Shield' as their terror resources were drained the West Bank economy rebounded to never before seen levels.
I just read an article by 'Natan Sharansky' (hat tip: Israellycool) very interesting food for thought.
A corrupt secular person can be bought and even convinced by facts like growing economy.
On the other hand a religious fanatic like Hamas, Hisbollah and Muslim Brotherhood person cannot be reasoned with.

capitalism is a fine gift for the formally oppressed

993 goddessoftheclassroom  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 9:58:35am

re: #982 Occasional Reader

Even with the further explanation, I don't agree.

Our troops in Iraq have beaten down the "insurgents", while consistently behaving in a far more civilized manner than they do. Just one example.

True. I guess I was thinking of "civilized" as defined by the moonbats. We aren't winning by inviting them over for dinner and working out compromises,

994 callahan23  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 9:59:15am

re: #992 albusteve

capitalism is a fine gift for the formally oppressed

Excellent synopsis!

995 Timbre  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 9:59:49am

re: #983 albusteve

how do you know wiping out Hamas is impossible?...it's never been tried...as for the rest so be it

My point is "wiping out Hamas" is impossible because Hamas is not just Hamas--it is tens of millions of Jihad-Muslims worldwide. All of these individual groups are linked by theology that cannot be destroyed. And I don't want to leave anyone with the impression that I am throwing up my hands. I am saying, like Occasional Reader, that inducing Egypt to accept Gaza as Egyptian territory is better than leaving Gaza as it has been configured the past 61(?) years.

996 avanti  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 10:00:20am

re: #986 MandyManners

I see you're still trying to sell the preposterious notion that CBBHO is unaware of his guests' affiliations.

Not at all, she's very well known by both the current and upcoming administration and the Rabi leader of the largest Jewish organization spoke to her group. Perhaps some new information came out showing a link to Hamas, but I've been unable to find out how they ended up on a list, but she's not been charged with anything, nor rightly has the Pope.

997 avanti  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 10:01:38am

re: #956 faraway

Would Omarosa be the best actress to play Michelle Obama in a movie?

Skinny Oparah.

998 funky chicken  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 10:02:03am

re: #972 buzzsawmonkey

My first reaction was incredulity--"surely people don't behave like this"--and an abortive attempt to get our assailants to "be reasonable." It nearly got me killed; in the event, I was beaten with the wrench and whipped with the aerial that they broke off the car.

Fortunately my roommate, who was more accustomed to dealing with life's unpleasantries, had reacted more sanely, and returned with help in time for me to avoid death or permanent injury.

A good friend from high school and college was an uber lib journalism major. Graduated and moved into an upscale apt complex in a "vibrant and diverse" city neighborhood. His liberalism died the day he was robbed at gunpoint in the parking lot. I'm just glad he didn't die the same day.

He went and got an MBA and is not a captain of industry LOL well sorta.

999 funky chicken  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 10:06:43am

re: #986 MandyManners

If you'll swallow that Obama really didn't know much about Ayers and Dohrn's deep hatred for their country, and that he really didn't know that his church was founded upon hatred for white people, you'll have no trouble swallowing pretty much anything.

1000 realwest  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 10:07:00am

re: #995 Timbre
And as I've said before, that would leave Egypt trying to cope with both the Muslim Brotherhood and Hamas.
I still think that, to the extent there is any hope at all, it is to induce the Jordyptians to reject, and renounce Hamas as their government.
I don't believe all Jordyptians want to wipe out Israel and all the Jews and especially if that becomes too costly for them.

1001 newsjunkie_ky  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 10:09:56am

re: #991 ciaospirit

I know someone who married a Saudi. They went there to visit his family, she was told. Once there, he said they were staying permanently. They had to wear burkas and couldn't leave the house on their own. He then went on to rape the daughter (about 12 years old IIRC) on a regular basis and threatened to kill the child's mother if the little girl told. Eventually the mother found out. She told the Saudi that she was going back to America. He refused to allow it. He also told her that if she tried to go and took their son, he would hunt her down and kill her. The woman and her daughter planned an escape and managed to run to the US Embassy. The Embassy helped them get back to America. The little girl said when she landed in NYC, she and her mother knelt down and kissed the ground. The mother hasn't seen her son since they escaped Saudi Arabia and probably never will.


OMG! Stories like this should be printed every single day.

1002 Timbre  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 10:13:47am

re: #1000 realwest

Maybe so. I know I have no predictions. I can only fight Jihadism until I am dead. Take care.

1003 buzzdroid  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 10:13:50am

re: #928 newsjunkie_ky

I tried to tell my daughter that she will probably never see her friend again and that the girl should not go to iran. My daughter said I was being a racist. She doesn't say anything like that anymore.

going BACK to iran is a clear sign of trouble. big trouble.

genuine Iranian dissidents wouldnt even DREAM of heading back...

1004 realwest  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 10:15:05am

re: #1001 newsjunkie_ky
Hey there {news} Kindly check your e-mail when you get a chance!

1005 Lincolntf  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 10:20:14am

re: #996 avanti

Anyone on the outside looking in, who had no political affiliation whatsoever, examiining B.O.'s own statements and actions re: Wright, Ayers, Rezko, Blago, etc. would have to conclude that Obama is the single worst judge of character on the planet.
I tend to believe that he's simply a liar who knew all there was to know about his racist and criminal friends, but chose to play the "Oops, I'm just a dumb-ass" card and his hagiographers lapped it up without a seconfd thought.

1006 Kenneth  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 10:23:58am

re: #967 funky chicken

you mean the German troops in Afstan arent up to snuff? Now you have my curiosity...

Maybe if you wrote something and left key words out & we could mentally fill it in.

1007 callahan23  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 10:27:57am

re: #967 funky chicken

Please do elaborate on the German military capability. Please?

1008 avanti  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 10:33:28am

re: #1005 Lincolntf

Anyone on the outside looking in, who had no political affiliation whatsoever, examiining B.O.'s own statements and actions re: Wright, Ayers, Rezko, Blago, etc. would have to conclude that Obama is the single worst judge of character on the planet.
I tend to believe that he's simply a liar who knew all there was to know about his racist and criminal friends, but chose to play the "Oops, I'm just a dumb-ass" card and his hagiographers lapped it up without a seconfd thought.

I take the view that he associated with whoever could advance his career. He joined his church to be accepted in the community, sat on a Ayers board for political contacts and so on. The end justifying the means is not a great campaign slogan though.

1009 Macker  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 10:55:02am

re: #923 Timbre

Gaza should become part of Egypt--AGAIN...completely, not some annexed territory. You are right--somehow, someway, using all sorts of politics and economics, there is bound to be a way that such an arrangement can be developed.

There, fixed that for ya!

1010 Lincolntf  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 11:17:56am

re: #1008 avanti

So you agree that he is a liar in that he knew that a racist Church would help him line his pockets and elevate his career, but then claimed he had no idea that it was a racist Church?
Frankly, I'd rather be thought of as a poor judge of character than an inveterate liar, but that's just me.
Of course, his campaign slogan could have been "I don't care!" and the sycophantic media would have still loved him anyway.

1011 Timbre  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 11:40:48am

re: #1009 Macker

There, fixed that for ya!

Thank you!

1012 least  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 2:13:40pm

re: #938 faraway

Carlos Slim


That's a real person?
Sounds like a character name from a remainder bin novel.

1013 least  Sun, Jan 18, 2009 2:20:04pm

re: #981 faraway

NY Times will be renamed the Neuvo York Tiempos

Tiempos de Nuevo York, to be more linguistically correct.


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