Palestinian Smuggling Tunnels Back in Operation

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It’s business as usual for Palestinian smugglers (but with fewer tunnels) now that the IDF has left Gaza: Gaza Strip smuggling tunnels operating despite IDF offensive

Smuggling into Gaza from Egypt is underway again, only days after the end of the IDF operation against Hamas.

AP Television News footage showed Palestinian smugglers Wednesday filling a fuel truck with petrol that came through a cross-border tunnel from Egypt. The footage also shows workers busy clearing blocked tunnels and bulldozers carrying out other repairs.

One of the stated goals of the IDF offensive was to stop the smuggling through the hundreds of tunnels under the border. The goods coming through have included a steady flow of rockets and other weapons.

Israel has said eighty percent of the smuggling tunnels were destroyed in bombing raids during the IDF’s Operation Cast Lead.

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246 comments
1 Noah's Arrrgh  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 9:18:44am

Is it possible for Israel occupy the southern border of Gaza and systematically take out the tunnels?

2 Erik The Red  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 9:19:05am

You can never stop rats from digging new tunnels.

3 joncelli  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 9:19:12am

Israel shouldn't have stopped. There was more to be done. Now they'll have to do it again.

4 debutaunt  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 9:19:20am

Take some more time and remove the other 20%.

5 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 9:19:24am

I still think Israel was told by someone connected to 0bama to be out of Gaza by the inauguration.
I hope all the j-street types decide to be human shields in Sderot.

6 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 9:19:34am

Business as usual.

7 Occasional Reader  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 9:19:47am

Hey, those are DEFENSIVE tunnels, used for defending the innocent Palestinians against Evil Jew Attack Rabbits.

-J. Carter

8 Bloodnok  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 9:19:48am

Second verse, same as the first

9 itellu3times  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 9:19:55am

It's crazy. Israel is not at war against tunnels.

10 RoughRider  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 9:19:59am

Are the "smuggling" tunnels defensive or offensive?

11 VegasRick  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 9:20:00am

This is fucking ridiculous. Why did Israel pull out.

12 The Optimist  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 9:20:05am

Hamas propaganda and lies. Maybe its time for Israel to dig that moat.

13 Silhouette  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 9:20:25am

Hey IDF. The word is "U-turn."

They violated the agreement made for leaving. So return.

14 Silhouette  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 9:20:57am

re: #10 RoughRider

Are the "smuggling" tunnels defensive or offensive?

Special teams.

15 reloadingisnotahobby  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 9:21:01am

Well ..Duh!
There's a cease fire!
Haul ass before the shelling starts again!

16 Sharmuta  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 9:21:45am

I hope this is the shortest hudna ever.

17 VegasRick  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 9:21:46am

I want my Gazacam back up and roaring.

18 lawhawk  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 9:22:03am

Well, this is a test of Obama. Let's see how Obama is going to talk his way out of this mess. Hamas doesn't care about talk. They want war with Israel. They got it, and lost, but claimed victory anyway. It's what terrorists do. Everyone is playing their usual roles - it's a repeat performance, and it will be repeated again as soon as Hamas thinks they've got enough rockets in their arsenal to try again.

Meanwhile, Iran has thrown down its first test of Obama. They convicted a prominent AIDS researcher from my alma mater and his brother for plotting to overthrow the government in a sham trial.

19 [deleted]  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 9:22:08am
20 faraway  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 9:22:26am

re: #17 VegasRick

I want my Gazacam back up and roaring.

crowing

21 Dianna  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 9:23:01am

re: #18 lawhawk

Oh, no, lawhawk - has Amnesty engaged, or are they looking blank?

22 Texas Heathen  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 9:23:07am

Cease Fire my ass.....IDF, Start pounding em again.

23 Kragar  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 9:23:13am

Cratering munitions come to mind.

24 opinionated  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 9:23:20am

In the Obama era everything is about "Change".

So we file this under: NO CHANGE

25 MJ  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 9:23:57am

I'm just a little leery of these kinds of reports. One of the main aims of the MSM coverage of the Israeli incursion into Gaza was to prove that it is hopeless to defend yourself against terrorists...in this case Hamas.
The AP was in the forefront of promoting the Hamas propaganda. I don't think much has changed.

26 Cato the Elder  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 9:24:08am

What about rockets and mortars? Have they tried any of those yet?

27 lawhawk  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 9:24:25am

re: #16 Sharmuta

It was... lasted only a few hours, or have you forgotten that Hamas fired at Israel yesterday?

28 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 9:24:43am

re: #19 buzzsawmonkey

The Palestinians could become Subway Providers to the World if they only chose to use their tunneling capabilities for good.

Shoot, Gaza's dense enough to use a mass transit system, if they would ever refocus their energies into something productive, say, like maunfacturing consumer goods or operating trading floors for stocks and commodities.

But no, they have to blow shit up and lob missiles at the productive across the border in Israel.

29 notutopia  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 9:24:45am

Those tunnels were a monthly source of income for Hamas.
Literally. The tunnels openings were claimed as entitled ownerships and they were charged "rent" for each tunnel opening, payable to Hamas. One tunnel equals 200 offshoots and openings.
The incentive to dig for Gold is strong.

30 brookly red  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 9:24:55am

re: #12 Venezuela lover

Hamas propaganda and lies. Maybe its time for Israel to dig that moat.

ya know I was wondering if a moat would work... I guess you could tunnel under a moat but it wouldn't be easy.

31 albusteve  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 9:24:57am

re: #1 Noah's Arrrgh

Is it possible for Israel occupy the southern border of Gaza and systematically take out the tunnels?

of course...why they dont is a mystery to me

32 zombie  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 9:25:13am

Why oh why did Olmert order the IDF to withdraw before finishing the job?

One can only presume that he didn't want to operation to be ongoing when Obama took office.

I'm gritting my teeth in frustration.

If anything, Israel should have completely re-occupied the Gaza-Egypt border, on the ground, and permanently destroyed ALL the tunnels, and never allowed them to be rebuilt.

33 Steve  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 9:25:16am

re: #24 opinionated

In the Obama era everything is about "Change".

So we file this under: NO CHANGE

"we have to define what change is."

34 Gella  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 9:25:17am

re: #24 opinionated

pocket change?

35 tfc3rid  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 9:25:17am

How is this possible? You mean the good folks at Hamas are not interested in adhereing to phony United Nations ceasefires?

You mean they have not yet felt the hope and change? They have not turned their swords into plowshares?

The Israelis capitulated once again. They needed to completely dismantle and destroy every last piece of the Hamas war machine. Alas, they caved to 'International pressure' again.

36 x-wing  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 9:25:21am

Let's see:

Hamas firing rockets - check

Tunnels operating - check

Hamas killing Fatah - check

Israel not in Gaza - check


Did the last three weeks even happen?

37 [deleted]  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 9:25:37am
38 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 9:25:39am

re: #24 opinionated

In the Obama era everything is about "Change".

So we file this under: NO CHANGE

In the Obama Era, the "No Change" file will be much thicker than the "Change" file.

39 MarineGrunt  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 9:25:41am

re: #8 Bloodnok

I'm Henry the mole I am......

40 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 9:25:46am

Gaza Tunnel Owners Renew Smuggling Under Egypt Border

Before the Israeli offensive, some 90 percent of all products entering Gaza each month --as much as $40 million worth of contraband -- came through the tunnels from Egypt, Omar Shaban, an economist who runs a consulting group in Gaza City said. The underground network was a crucial source of revenue and weapons for Hamas, which charged a one-time digging fee of 11,000 shekels ($2,750) for each tunnel.

Abu Jabal, 40, who had a crew of workers today trying to dig out a destroyed tunnel, said he suffered at least $100,000 in lost business because of the bombing.

“If the blockade continues, I’m going to dig another tunnel,” he said, “whatever it costs.”

There's big money to be made in Gaza.

41 Texas Heathen  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 9:26:00am

re: #19 buzzsawmonkey

The Palestinians could become Subway Providers to the World if they only chose to use their tunneling capabilities for good.

good idea... Tell them I'll take a 12" Italian combo on Wheat with everything except onions. ;)

42 Silhouette  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 9:26:08am

re: #30 brookly red

ya know I was wondering if a moat would work... I guess you could tunnel under a moat but it wouldn't be easy.

There are discussions with the US Army COE to build a "moat" of sorts. Something more like a slurry wall, I think.

43 zombie  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 9:26:19am

re: #1 Noah's Arrrgh

Is it possible for Israel occupy the southern border of Gaza and systematically take out the tunnels?

Of course it's possible -- it's just that Israel doesn't really have a government at the moment, so everyone in charge is an idiot.

44 lawhawk  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 9:26:37am

re: #21 Dianna

Oh, no, lawhawk - has Amnesty engaged, or are they looking blank?

Amnesty doesn't have a current statement out, only that the trial occurred on December 31 and didn't meet international standards. I'm sure they'll have something to say now that the verdict has been rendered.

45 jcm  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 9:26:39am

Supplies to rebuild the greenhouses right?

//

46 MarineGrunt  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 9:26:58am

re: #17 VegasRick

Yes, Yes, I miss the rooster.

47 Kragar  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 9:27:05am

re: #45 jcm

Supplies to rebuild the greenhouses right?

//

Finally the powdered milk will get thru!

48 faraway  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 9:27:10am

Snakes in a Tunnel

49 Silhouette  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 9:28:00am

re: #40 Killgore Trout

Gaza Tunnel Owners Renew Smuggling Under Egypt Border


There's big money to be made in Gaza.

Those billions in aid have to spent on something. They sure aren't going to do something wasteful with it like repair sewage treatment facilities or build hotels on the Med.

50 freedombilly  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 9:28:04am

Palestinian Smuggling Defensive Tunnels Back in Operation

Since I'm pretty sure that Jimmy Carter is too confused to use a computer I fixed it for him.

51 Sharmuta  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 9:28:39am

re: #27 lawhawk

It was... lasted only a few hours, or have you forgotten that Hamas fired at Israel yesterday?

I remember, I just mean in the sense of the IDF going back to kick more ass.

Why?! Why did the IDF stop? It's insanity to think this is anything but a merry-go-round. Insane.

52 akak  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 9:28:45am

re: #2 Erik The Red

You can never stop rats from digging new tunnels.

sure certain chemicals would work

53 notutopia  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 9:28:51am

re: #40 Killgore Trout

Gaza Tunnel Owners Renew Smuggling Under Egypt Border

There's big money to be made in Gaza.

Thanks Kilgore for the article. See my #29.
: )

54 Cato the Elder  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 9:28:56am

Isn't it time for Israel to shift strategy and take out the Hamas "leaders" as they come crawling out of their holes? They should even be able to get to that prick in Damascus, whatever his name is.

Oops, sorry, bad idea: that would break the "cease fire".

55 albusteve  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 9:29:24am

re: #51 Sharmuta

I remember, I just mean in the sense of the IDF going back to kick more ass.

Why?! Why did the IDF stop? It's insanity to think this is anything but a merry-go-round. Insane.

Olmert is affraid of BO....what other explanation is there?

56 reloadingisnotahobby  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 9:29:29am

re: #47 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

And never ever ever SMOKE around the powdered milk!

57 tfc3rid  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 9:29:32am

Well, since technically we do not yet have a Secretary of State, I guess there is nothing for President Obama to do...

Present!

58 faraway  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 9:29:45am

Drudge = racist - "Wall Street Spooked"

59 zombie  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 9:29:48am

Here's what the border is officially called:

The Philadelphi Route

Israel has been wrestling with this problem for years -- ineffectually.

Personally, if I was Israel, I'd put the onus on Egypt. Say: the goods are coming from your country. Your border with Gaza is just a few miles long. If you don't secure it, we will re-occupy Sinai.

You have one month to comply

60 ThinkRight  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 9:30:00am

They didn't get the memo that Barrack Hussein Obama is in charge now and peace in the ME was automatic ?
What are you saying here ?
Buisness as usal ?
/

61 Kragar  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 9:30:04am

re: #55 albusteve

Olmert is affraid of BO....what other explanation is there?

What does Olmert's lack of personal hygeine have to do with this?

62 nyc redneck  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 9:30:20am

hamas is so industrious when their purpose is abt. killing.
they can clear debris so quickly and reopen the terrorist tunnels.
they are so fcked in the head w/ murderous thoughts.
will they ever put their inspiration behind doing positive things for themselves and their people?
so far that has not been part of their agenda.
hamas is hopelessly addicted to jihad.
they are a truly repugnant people.

63 opnion  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 9:30:39am

This is just AP racism! Obama is now in charge & all will be right with humanity & the planet.
To assert that total peace has not broken out is just out & out racism & don't say HUSSEIN!

64 tfc3rid  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 9:30:46am

re: #55 albusteve

Olmert is affraid of BO....what other explanation is there?

The cynic in me says that Olmert did it to ingratiate himself to Obama. And it would usher in the Era of Obama, where war is the last thing the World wants.

65 albusteve  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 9:30:53am

re: #61 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

What does Olmert's lack of personal hygeine have to do with this?

you made a funny!

66 lawhawk  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 9:30:54am

re: #47 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Nope...it's all about the goats and sheep. See.

Yeah, the tunnels are back in operation.

They're busy rebuilding them. Some of them are in plain sight.

67 Sharmuta  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 9:31:50am

re: #59 zombie

Here's what the border is officially called:

The Philadelphi Route

Israel has been wrestling with this problem for years -- ineffectually.

Personally, if I was Israel, I'd put the onus on Egypt. Say: the goods are coming from your country. Your border with Gaza is just a few miles long. If you don't secure it, we will re-occupy Sinai.

You have one month to comply

I was just wondering why Egypt isn't held accountable for any of this.

68 maddogg  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 9:31:56am

Shocking!

/s

69 Erik The Red  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 9:32:06am

re: #66 lawhawk

Nope...it's all about the goats and sheep. See.

Yeah, the tunnels are back in operation.

They're busy rebuilding them. Some of them are in plain sight.

What they need to restock the whore house or need new brides?

70 KenJen  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 9:32:13am

re: #18 lawhawk

If those doctors were GITMO detanies they would stand a better chance of getting Barak's attention.

71 tfc3rid  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 9:32:14am

YAY! Breaking News...

President Barack Obama circulates an executive order draft calling for the detention center at Guantanamo Bay to close within a year.


CHANGE!

72 albusteve  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 9:32:14am

re: #64 tfc3rid

The cynic in me says that Olmert did it to ingratiate himself to Obama. And it would usher in the Era of Obama, where war is the last thing the World wants.

I prefer just to cut to the quick...but you're right imo

73 The Optimist  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 9:32:45am

Employment opportunities are now available in Gaza. No experience, great pay, work from ground up or down or sideways. Martyrdom plan included. Burial expenses fully covered if on-the-job death. The best Israeli health care provided. Contact Hamas today. Bonus for referrals.

74 jcm  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 9:32:46am

Do you have a smuggling tunnel problem?
Are Hamasters bringing rockets in under the border?
You don't have to put up with pesky tunneling Hamasters any longer.

Try the new and improved BLU-118/B.

Guaranteed to rid you borders of those pesky tunneling Hamasters.
Works every time or the next one is FREE!

75 faraway  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 9:33:06am

re: #71 tfc3rid

YAY! Breaking News...

President Barack Obama circulates an executive order draft calling for the detention center at Guantanamo Bay to close within a year.

CHANGE!

When the moon is in the Seventh House
And Jupiter aligns with Mars
Then peace will guide the planets
And love will steer the stars

This is the dawning of the Age of ObamaNuts

76 akak  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 9:33:22am

re: #67 Sharmuta

I was just wondering why Egypt isn't held accountable for any of this.


Egypt's foreign minister says his country will not allow foreign naval forces to operate in its territorial waters to prevent weapons smuggling to Gaza.
77 Grantman  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 9:33:26am

And all y'all are surprised for what reason again?

78 zombie  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 9:33:31am

Here's a detailed map of the Gaza-Egypt border.

It's do-able.

It's about 1/10,000th long at the US-Mexico border.

79 albusteve  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 9:33:36am

re: #67 Sharmuta

I was just wondering why Egypt isn't held accountable for any of this.

there is no one to do it...this is no surprise...Israel is on their own...when in hell will they figure it out, meanwhile more people die

80 Dianna  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 9:34:06am

re: #44 lawhawk

Amnesty doesn't have a current statement out, only that the trial occurred on December 31 and didn't meet international standards. I'm sure they'll have something to say now that the verdict has been rendered.

We can hope. I gave up my membership years ago, in disgust, but I may reactivate, if it would help.

81 realwest  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 9:34:13am

I have a feeling that the IDF is gonna have to go into Egypt if they really want to stop the tunnel smuggling.
And nothing Obama said yesterday gave me a warm and fuzzy feeling about his relationship with Israel anyway, so Olmert's got NO excuses this time.

82 tfc3rid  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 9:34:14am

Why does Egypt get a free pass on this? As far as I can tell, they are in this neck deep as well...

83 reloadingisnotahobby  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 9:34:25am

re: #66 lawhawk
Fuel air munitions...............Yea!That'd work nicely!

84 yma o hyd  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 9:34:29am

re: #40 Killgore Trout

Gaza Tunnel Owners Renew Smuggling Under Egypt Border

There's big money to be made in Gaza.

He lost $100,000?
How is it possible for starving people, forced to eat grass, and living in refuge camps, to earn so much money?

Its a criminal enterprise - more effort an thought and actual work going into it than earning an honest crust ...

85 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 9:34:58am

I suggest we give them aid in rebuilding the tunnels. We should assign those who built Boston's Big Dig tunnels to the job.
(Check link before down-dinging)

86 jwb7605  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 9:35:10am

re: #77 Grantman

And all y'all are surprised for what reason again?

What I find surprising is that Jimmuh hasn't praised Israel for providing skylights to the greenhouses they were using the defensive tunnels for.
/

87 tfc3rid  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 9:35:11am

re: #81 realwest

We shall see what next week's SOTU Address brings from him regarding Foreign Policy. There was really nothing epcific about the Inaugural Address, the greatest one in history, BTW.

88 Sharmuta  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 9:35:26am

re: #76 akak

That's not what I'm talking about. Why, if they are at peace with Israel, are they not stopping this on their own?

89 albusteve  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 9:35:26am

re: #74 jcm

Do you have a smuggling tunnel problem?
Are Hamasters bringing rockets in under the border?
You don't have to put up with pesky tunneling Hamasters any longer.

Try the new and improved BLU-118/B.

Guaranteed to rid you borders of those pesky tunneling Hamasters.
Works every time or the next one is FREE!

drop leaflets...then do the deed...pretty simple...or send in an armored column and sap the damned things

90 Kenneth  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 9:35:29am

re: #2 Erik The Red

You can never stop rats from digging new tunnels.

Dead rats dig no tunnels.

91 Opinionated  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 9:35:34am

re: #38 Honorary Yooper

In the Obama Era, the "No Change" file will be much thicker than the "Change" file.

Actually there should be three files.

No Change. Good Change. Bad Change.

My money is on Bad Change.

92 realwest  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 9:35:45am

re: #71 tfc3rid
Uh, did that EO say what the hell we're supposed to do with the detainees once we close GITMO?

93 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 9:35:46am

re: #55 albusteve

Olmert is affraid of BO....what other explanation is there?

He SHOULD be afraid of G-d; not any people.

94 Jack Burton  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 9:35:49am

re: #36 x-wing

Did the last three weeks even happen?

Every time Israel half-asses this and does not achieve an actual victory that Arab-street cant spin into "we held off the Zionist honco invaders!" all it means is that time was wasted and lives on both sides were lost for nothing. How many people died only to have Olmert bug out to stop the big bad UN from writing another sternly worded anti-semitic screed?

95 tfc3rid  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 9:36:22am

re: #92 realwest

Uh, did that EO say what the hell we're supposed to do with the detainees once we close GITMO?

Not certain at this time. Searching for additional information.

96 albusteve  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 9:36:24am

re: #88 Sharmuta

That's not what I'm talking about. Why, if they are at peace with Israel, are they not stopping this on their own?

profit

98 akak  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 9:36:34am

re: #88 Sharmuta

That's not what I'm talking about. Why, if they are at peace with Israel, are they not stopping this on their own?

cause they don't really want to.

99 Sharmuta  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 9:36:47am

re: #96 albusteve

profit

It's the only explanation.

100 brookly red  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 9:36:51am

re: #71 tfc3rid

YAY! Breaking News...

President Barack Obama circulates an executive order draft calling for the detention center at Guantanamo Bay to close within a year.


CHANGE!

so what do we do for a year? organize the community? /

101 ThinkRight  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 9:37:15am

Obama must have voted present again when Hamas had a vote on tunnel smuggling ops

102 Kragar  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 9:37:22am

re: #82 tfc3rid

Why does Egypt get a free pass on this? As far as I can tell, they are in this neck deep as well...

Because 30 years ago, they played nice and officially recognized Israel and signed a peace treaty for the price of $2billion a year in US aid. No one in the US or Israel wants to be seen as the one who breaks the peace treaty.

103 reloadingisnotahobby  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 9:37:25am

re: #74 jcm
Mercury Nevada!
A friend just retired from there!

104 tfc3rid  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 9:37:25am

Nothing out there but according to Reuters,

"Reuters news agency reports that the Irish government has signaled that it is open to taking some of the detainees"

What?

105 albusteve  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 9:37:39am

re: #93 Kosh's Shadow

He SHOULD be afraid of G-d; not any people.

I understand...there is a moral in violation around here me thinks...

106 realwest  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 9:38:05am

re: #82 tfc3rid
Please see my #81 especially the part about the IDF having to go into Egypt to stop that tunneling work!

107 maddogg  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 9:38:10am

Perhaps the IDF should start scaling these up?

108 Ben Hur  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 9:38:29am

re: #97 Occasional Reader

OT: Pepsi trying to contaminate our precious bodily fluids and turn us into deviated preverts.

There are 52 Million people who didn't vote for The One.

Hopefully most will stop buying Pepsi.

Pepsi. That participated in the boycott against Israel.

Pepsi. That indocrinates its employees that the transgender community is a vital, untapped market.

109 Golem Akbar  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 9:38:31am

re: #59 zombie

Here's what the border is officially called:

The Philadelphi Route

Israel has been wrestling with this problem for years -- ineffectually.

Personally, if I was Israel, I'd put the onus on Egypt. Say: the goods are coming from your country. Your border with Gaza is just a few miles long. If you don't secure it, we will re-occupy Sinai.

You have one month to comply

Excellent!

110 jcm  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 9:38:35am

re: #89 albusteve

drop leaflets...then do the deed...pretty simple...or send in an armored column and sap the damned things

Awwwwww, I want to play with my toys.......
;-)

111 MJ  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 9:38:40am

re: #104 tfc3rid

Nothing out there but according to Reuters,

"Reuters news agency reports that the Irish government has signaled that it is open to taking some of the detainees"

What?

Switzerland to consider hosting Guantanamo inmates

[Link: www.reuters.com...]

112 faraway  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 9:38:59am

re: #108 Ben Hur

Pepsi: Just Say No

113 Kenneth  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 9:39:00am

re: #82 tfc3rid

Egypt is no fan of Hamas & officially at least, is against the tunnels. But the border guards get bribes & intimidation from Hamas to look the other way. Cuts from the bribes get passed on up the chain of command.

So no, Egypt won't stop the tunnels.

114 albusteve  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 9:39:03am

re: #99 Sharmuta

It's the only explanation.

I dont need a post deleted but consider who the parties involved in smuggling really are here

115 Ben Hur  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 9:39:04am

re: #82 tfc3rid

Why does Egypt get a free pass on this? As far as I can tell, they are in this neck deep as well...


Because the alternative is worse.

DRINK!

116 tfc3rid  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 9:39:07am

re: #102 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Yeah, clearly that trety has held up... Maybe Jimmah needs to get back in there... Although this time, he would ask Israel to give up everything...

117 realwest  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 9:39:14am

re: #94 ArchangelMichael
And without even getting Gilad Shalit in exchange!
Fuck Olmert.

118 monkeytime  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 9:39:19am

re: #104 tfc3rid

Nothing out there but according to Reuters,

"Reuters news agency reports that the Irish government has signaled that it is open to taking some of the detainees"

What?

Wow - Thanks! I'm sure they will love it there.
I'm glad they are asshats!

119 yma o hyd  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 9:39:22am

re: #67 Sharmuta

I was just wondering why Egypt isn't held accountable for any of this.

Egypt is a Muslim/Arab country ... it ain't Jewish!

120 jill e  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 9:39:38am

We shall never allow Israel to live in peace. We shall never allow it total security. Every Israeli will feel that behind every wall there might be a guerrilla who is aiming at me...Farouk Kaddoumi head of the PLO's political department in an Interview in Stern, West Germany on July 30, 1981

Our agreements with the Israelis are like the Trojan horse. I explain to our people that this is the only way to get into the walls of Jerusalem, like the wooden horse the Greeks used against the Trojans.
-- Faisal Husseini, who ran Orient House as Arafat's representative in Jerusalem in an interview with an Egyptian magazine before his death in May 2001 quoted by Amnon Dankner in Ma'ariv, July 13, 2001

...this state will be an independent Palestinian state and will function as a base from which to liberate Jaffa, Akko, and all of Palestine... Salah Khalaf (Abu Iyad) interview with Al-Safir, Lebanon, Jan. 25, 1988

The right of the Palestinian nation to self-determination is expressed in the exposure and the destruction of the Zionist idea, and of Israel, which is the result of that idea. Sami el Atri, Secretary of the Palestinian Central Committee in an interview with the Kuwaiti paper Al-Kabas March 7, 1978.

We are discussing the current problems and when we speak about Jerusalem it doesn't mean that we have forgotten about Hebron or about Jaffa or about Acre..we are speaking about the current problems that have priority at a certain time. It doesn't mean that we have given up... We have announced a number of times that from a religious point of view Palestine from the sea to the river is Islamic." [Note: Jaffa and Acre are Israeli cities.]
- - Sheikh Ikrima Sabri - The Palestinian Authority appointed Mufti of Jerusalem and Palestine on Palestinian Television, 11 January 2001

Even if agreements were signed [regarding] Gaza and the West Bank, we will not forget [the currently Israeli cities of] Haifa, Acre, Jaffa, the Galilee Triangle, and the Negev. It is only a question of time.
- - Dr. Ahmed Abu Halabiah, Palestinian Television, 13 October 2000

All of the agreements entered into [with Israel] are temporary, until the decree comes from Allah and until the destiny from Allah is realized.
- - Dr. Muhammed Ibrahim Madi., Palestinian Television, 28 July 2000

We exaggerate when we say 'peace'... what we are speaking about is 'Hudna', a temporary ceasefire.
-- Arab Knesset Member Abdel Maleh Dahamshe, Palestinian Television, 1 September 2000

121 Ben Hur  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 9:40:12am

re: #112 faraway

Pepsi: Just Say No


Pepsi was contraband in our house growing up.

Never bought it, never will.

122 Occasional Reader  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 9:40:17am

re: #108 Ben Hur

There are 52 Million people who didn't vote for The One.

Hopefully most will stop buying Pepsi.

Pepsi. That participated in the boycott against Israel.

Pepsi. That indocrinates its employees that the transgender community is a vital, untapped market.

I knew about the first two points, but not about the vast, untapped transgender market bit.

I don't like Pepsi anyway. Give me Zionist, boycott-bustin' Coca-Cola.

123 tfc3rid  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 9:40:21am

re: #115 Ben Hur

Because the alternative is worse.

DRINK!

War is not the answer... That's what my Unicorn just told me!

124 realwest  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 9:40:35am

re: #102 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir) Well you're right, but CLEARLY Egypt HAS broken the treaty by not stopping the tunneling/shipments of supplies.

125 albusteve  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 9:40:38am

re: #110 jcm

Awwwwww, I want to play with my toys.......
;-)

hey I want you to play with them too!....

126 tfc3rid  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 9:40:53am

re: #117 realwest

And without even getting Gilad Shalit in exchange!
Fuck Olmert.

Do you really think that Hamas has not killed Shalit by now?

127 albusteve  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 9:41:16am

re: #119 yma o hyd

Egypt is a Muslim/Arab country ... it ain't Jewish!

bingo!

128 Jack Burton  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 9:41:32am

re: #117 realwest

I totally forgot about that. This is a travesty!

129 jcm  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 9:41:46am

re: #125 albusteve

hey I want you to play with them too!....

LOL!

130 Occasional Reader  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 9:41:50am

re: #121 Ben Hur

Pepsi was contraband in our house growing up.

Never bought it, never will.

By the way; imagine for a moment the howls of outrage, "corporate fascism!", etc. if a large consumer products corporation in 2004 had consciously aped Bush's campaign in its advertisements, and then fawned over him after the election.

131 CommonCents  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 9:42:33am

Muqata blog has a post up about Israeli leftists trying to indict IDF officers for war crimes. The statement on the lefties complaint is a pile of bull but puts into perspective the insanity of leftist movements. Put all the IDF officers into Hague prison cells with Milosevic and what do you think Hamas, Hezbollah, even Syria would do then? Send flowers?

There are morons all around us, everywhere.

132 Kragar  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 9:42:39am

re: #124 realwest

Well you're right, but CLEARLY Egypt HAS broken the treaty by not stopping the tunneling/shipments of supplies.

Its playing the same political game Mexico is in regards to the border. Officially, of course the see the problem and are doing everything in their power to stop it. In reality, not so much.

133 Pyrocles  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 9:43:00am

OT: Oh man, my Swiftboat Vet friend is sending me nirth certificate stuff from Free Republic now... The guy had a meltdown yesterday :(

134 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 9:43:02am

Hamas just figured the cease-fire was the same as their own - a chance to re-arm. So they're accepting the hudna and re-arming.

135 nyc redneck  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 9:43:06am

rush just played a clip from tom brokow.
the sob said w/ such arrogance 'take this rednecks".
meaning the O being elected potus.
what a classy bastard.
lol

136 FightingBack  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 9:43:07am
... Livni headed to Brussels where Israeli officials said she hoped to clinch a deal committing the EU to contribute forces, ships and technology to stop arms smuggling to Hamas.

EU officials said it was too early for that, saying providing humanitarian relief and efforts to secure a lasting cease-fire were their priorities.


Too early for that, folks. Jews still viable.

137 albusteve  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 9:43:54am

cheat
sneak
lie
smuggle
kidnap
steal
run and hide

138 jwb7605  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 9:43:55am

re: #133 Pyrocles

OT: Oh man, my Swiftboat Vet friend is sending me nirth certificate stuff from Free Republic now... The guy had a meltdown yesterday :(

What was his screen name?

139 tfc3rid  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 9:44:04am

re: #134 Kosh's Shadow

Hamas just figured the cease-fire was the same as their own - a chance to re-arm. So they're accepting the hudna and re-arming.

Just like what Hezballah did in Lebanon... Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice (or a hundred times), shame on me...

140 rawmuse  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 9:44:38am

re: #71 tfc3rid

John McCain would have done the same thing. At least, he said so.

141 notutopia  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 9:44:59am

It is disgusting to many that war costs human suffering and life and world unrest..but, it's all about the money.
Show them the money.
Whether it is the UN, Egypt, Hamas, Syria, or the Gazans,..there is no impetus to stop or quard against the tunneling or the trafficking of goods...it's all about profit.
The offering price to Egypt is not high enough yet to
warrant them to stop the tunneling.
Show them the money.

142 monkeytime  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 9:45:08am

Why do politicians still bother signing/making agreements with the ME? Why don't they just take their left hand, grab their right hand and slap themselves across the face with it a few times?

143 Ben Hur  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 9:45:10am

re: #120 jill e

We shall never allow Israel to live in peace. We shall never allow it total security. Every Israeli will feel that behind every wall there might be a guerrilla who is aiming at me...US BACKED Farouk Kaddoumi head of the US BACKED PLO's political department in an Interview in Stern, West Germany on July 30, 1981

Our agreements with the Israelis are like the Trojan horse. I explain to our people that this is the only way to get into the walls of Jerusalem, like the wooden horse the Greeks used against the Trojans.
-- US BACKED Faisal Husseini, who ran Orient House as US BACKED Arafat's representative in Jerusalem in an interview with an Egyptian magazine before his death in May 2001 quoted by Amnon Dankner in Ma'ariv, July 13, 2001

...this state will be an independent Palestinian state and will function as a base from which to liberate Jaffa, Akko, and all of Palestine... Salah Khalaf (Abu Iyad) interview with Al-Safir, Lebanon, Jan. 25, 1988

The right of the Palestinian nation to self-determination is expressed in the exposure and the destruction of the Zionist idea, and of Israel, which is the result of that idea. US BACKED Sami el Atri, Secretary of the US BACKED Palestinian Central Committee in an interview with the Kuwaiti paper Al-Kabas March 7, 1978.

We are discussing the current problems and when we speak about Jerusalem it doesn't mean that we have forgotten about Hebron or about Jaffa or about Acre..we are speaking about the current problems that have priority at a certain time. It doesn't mean that we have given up... We have announced a number of times that from a religious point of view Palestine from the sea to the river is Islamic." [Note: Jaffa and Acre are Israeli cities.]
- - US BACKED Sheikh Ikrima Sabri - The US BACKED Palestinian Authority appointed Mufti of Jerusalem and Palestine on US BACKED Palestinian Television, 11 January 2001

Even if agreements were signed [regarding] Gaza and the West Bank, we will not forget [the currently Israeli cities of] Haifa, Acre, Jaffa, the Galilee Triangle, and the Negev. It is only a question of time.
- -US BACKED Dr. Ahmed Abu Halabiah, US BACKED Palestinian Television, 13 October 2000

All of the agreements entered into [with Israel] are temporary, until the decree comes from Allah and until the destiny from Allah is realized.
- - US BACKED Dr. Muhammed Ibrahim Madi., US BACKED Palestinian Television, 28 July 2000

We exaggerate when we say 'peace'... what we are speaking about is 'Hudna', a temporary ceasefire.
-- US BACKED Arab Knesset Member Abdel Maleh Dahamshe,US BACKED Palestinian Television, 1 September 2000

144 realwest  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 9:45:19am

re: #126 tfc3rid
No, I'm afraid I don't. But if Israel insisted upon his return, at some point Hamas would have to say he died in captivity.
Then we could forget all about this charade of Hamas being a real government, and Olmert will be out of excuses. And hopefully soon his party will be out of power.
We want Bibi NOW!

145 unreconstructed rebel  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 9:45:27am
Israel has said eighty percent of the smuggling tunnels were destroyed in bombing raids during the IDF’s Operation Cast Lead.

I'm hoping they used something like bunker busters. It's kinda hard trying to tunnel thru a gravel pile.

146 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 9:45:29am

re: #108 Ben Hur

Pepsi. That participated in the boycott against Israel.

What happened to Pay Every Penny to Save Israel?
///

147 tfc3rid  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 9:45:44am

re: #135 nyc redneck

I heard that yesterday. His exact statement...

"Comfortable in his own skin, to use that phrase, he had the self-confidence. It was not overbearing and could laugh at himself easily. He could hammer him and criticalof a quote. At one point he burst out laughing, I was in the middle of reading back one of these things. "Some people said nice things about me as well."

Listen, I just want to say one thing. Having been in the South in the '60s and Los Angeles, in Watts and northern urban areas, when we were evolving as a country, I'm thinking of all the bigots and rednecks and people I met along the way. I'm saying to them, "Take this." You know?"

Full on Liberal dementia...

148 Ben Hur  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 9:45:50am

re: #122 Occasional Reader

I have seen it with my own eyes.

149 [deleted]  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 9:46:00am
150 CommonCents  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 9:46:36am

re: #136 FightingBack

... Livni headed to Brussels where Israeli officials said she hoped to clinch a deal committing the EU to contribute forces, ships and technology to stop arms smuggling to Hamas.
EU officials said it was too early for that, saying providing humanitarian relief and efforts to secure a lasting cease-fire were their priorities.

Too early for that, folks. Jews still viable.

Yes, too early. It will be much easier in the future to enforce that when Hamas is well armed and can launch rockets north AND south.

151 Kragar  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 9:46:37am

re: #126 tfc3rid

Do you really think that Hamas has not killed Shalit by now?

I believe in fairness. Hamas always demands thousands of prisoners in return for a single Jew. If they have killed Shalit, well, they set the exchange rate and by my count, they still owe quite a bit.

152 Pyrocles  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 9:46:42am

I don't think he's a registered Freeper, but he reads it often.

re: #138 jwb7605

What was his screen name?

153 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 9:47:08am

re: #94 ArchangelMichael

Every time Israel half-asses this and does not achieve an actual victory that Arab-street cant spin into "we held off the Zionist honco invaders!" all it means is that time was wasted and lives on both sides were lost for nothing. How many people died only to have Olmert bug out to stop the big bad UN from writing another sternly worded anti-semitic screed?

The Palis never let any innocent live go to waste; they use it for maximum propaganda purposes most foul.

154 realwest  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 9:47:11am

re: #113 Kenneth
You are right, as usual; but there are ways Israel can make it much less profitable for those higher ups to get to enjoy that bribe money.

155 jwb7605  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 9:47:11am

re: #152 Pyrocles

I don't think he's a registered Freeper, but he reads it often.

I meant SBVFT.

156 realwest  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 9:48:17am

re: #141 notutopia
No, show Egypt what the alternative to money is.

157 albusteve  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 9:48:18am

re: #141 notutopia

It is disgusting to many that war costs human suffering and life and world unrest..but, it's all about the money.
Show them the money.
Whether it is the UN, Egypt, Hamas, Syria, or the Gazans,..there is no impetus to stop or quard against the tunneling or the trafficking of goods...it's all about profit.
The offering price to Egypt is not high enough yet to
warrant them to stop the tunneling.
Show them the money.

exactly why the IDF needs to OCCUPY Gaza....a mortal sin to lose control of the border

158 Ben Hur  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 9:48:49am

Dig a moat. (SPelling?)

Let them try to dig tunnels under 20 feet of "heavy" water.

159 faraway  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 9:49:39am

re: #158 Ben Hur

Dig a moat. (SPelling?)

Let them try to dig tunnels under 20 feet of "heavy" water.

Open a canal for the improvement of lives of the common people.

160 notutopia  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 9:49:47am

re: #156 realwest

No, show Egypt what the alternative to money is.

Realwest, I'd love to see that... But, WHO is gonna do this?

161 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 9:50:02am

re: #124 realwest

Well you're right, but CLEARLY Egypt HAS broken the treaty by not stopping the tunneling/shipments of supplies.

Honoring treaties with infidels is haraam for Muslims.

162 J Doc  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 9:50:07am

re: #71 tfc3rid

A year can be a long time for a Democrat President. Remember when Clinto said we would only be in Bosnia for a year?

In any case, I would rather have the prisoners off shore in GITMO than in the Navy brig at Charleston.

163 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 9:50:08am

re: #157 albusteve

exactly why the IDF needs to OCCUPY Gaza....a mortal sin to lose control of the border

Maybe Israel should tell Egypt, stop the smuggling, or we re-occupy Gaza, and send you all the current inhabitants.
Of course, Egypt would just mow them down, and no one would complain.

164 [deleted]  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 9:50:15am
165 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 9:50:31am

This is really not news. Unfortunately.

166 dhg4  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 9:50:38am

Your text to link...re: #59 zombie

Here's what the border is officially called:

The Philadelphi Route

Israel has been wrestling with this problem for years -- ineffectually.

Personally, if I was Israel, I'd put the onus on Egypt. Say: the goods are coming from your country. Your border with Gaza is just a few miles long. If you don't secure it, we will re-occupy Sinai.

You have one month to comply

4 1/2 years ago Gen Doron Almog outlined the problem of the tunnels. (Gen Almog, FWIW, cannot set foot in Britain because moonbats there have him designated as a war criminal.) In Nov 2005, Sec of State Rice pressured Israel to withdraw from Philadelphi as a humanitarian gesture. The European monitors never did their job.

167 Kragar  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 9:50:50am

re: #160 notutopia

Realwest, I'd love to see that... But, WHO is gonna do this?

Give Kragaristan 1000 men and the money to outfit them as I see fit and it will be done.

168 [deleted]  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 9:50:51am
169 tfc3rid  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 9:50:57am

re: #140 rawmuse

John McCain would have done the same thing. At least, he said so.

Oh I am certain of it... It's just a bad move because it's simply for PR purposes and makes us less safe.

170 albusteve  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 9:51:06am

re: #160 notutopia

Realwest, I'd love to see that... But, WHO is gonna do this?

nobody...that's why the problem is 60yrs old already

171 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 9:51:07am

re: #108 Ben Hur

No Pepsi, Coke.

172 Pyrocles  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 9:51:33am

BuffaloJack on the SBVFT forums.

re: #155 jwb7605

I meant SBVFT.

173 jcm  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 9:52:09am

re: #141 notutopia

It is disgusting to many that war costs human suffering and life and world unrest..but, it's all about the money.
Show them the money.
Whether it is the UN, Egypt, Hamas, Syria, or the Gazans,..there is no impetus to stop or quard against the tunneling or the trafficking of goods...it's all about profit.
The offering price to Egypt is not high enough yet to
warrant them to stop the tunneling.
Show them the money.

Paying for civilized behavior is not a viable option.
See Barbary Pirates, paying only drives the demand for more money to ensure the required behavior. Eventually the price is too high, and action must be taken.

174 faraway  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 9:52:24am

OT: American Idol beat Emaculation coverage. What's the difference?

175 godfrey  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 9:52:25am
Regarding the transgender community as a "vital, untapped market," how big can it possibly be? Ten thousand people, tops, nationwide?

What do we not want? Declensions! When do we not want them? Now!

176 monkeytime  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 9:52:29am

re: #171 Kosh's Shadow

No Pepsi, Coke.

No kidding - if I get fast food I make I go somewhere with Coke - not pepsi.......ewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww.

Wake up Taco Bell, KFC, etc.....................

177 Golem Akbar  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 9:52:32am

/Here in LA we are trying to build a subway system. How about hiring Palestinians? They seem pretty industrious and willing to work for minimum wage...

Another answer is to let them build tunnels in Saudi Arabia, where they will be met with open arms...(yeah, another ////sarc tag is needed).

Here's a question needing an answer: why don't other Arab countries like the Palestinians?

178 Silhouette  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 9:52:44am

re: #135 nyc redneck

rush just played a clip from tom brokow.
the sob said w/ such arrogance 'take this rednecks".
meaning the O being elected potus.
what a classy bastard.
lol

A good example of how people use the term redneck to mean bigot.

179 dhg4  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 9:52:48am

re: #168 Iron Fist

IMHO, Israel lost this one, and Hamas won. How big that defeat/victory is remains to be seen. I think that Obama is going to come down real hard on Israel, but he's going to use Hillary Clinton to do it. People will look back at the pro-Israel Bush Administration and lament the lost oppertunities.

Israel didn't win in that it didn't wipe out Hamas. But it did significantly degrade its capabilities. I think it's important to emphasize the latter rather than the former.

180 [deleted]  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 9:52:52am
181 J Doc  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 9:52:53am

re: #122 Occasional Reader

I knew about the first two points, but not about the vast, untapped transgender market bit.

I don't like Pepsi anyway. Give me Zionist, boycott-bustin' Coca-Cola.


The first time I saw the new Pepsi commercials I thought they were for the O. The Pepsi logo looks strikingly similar to the Hope/Change/Etc. one. Coincidence?

182 Occasional Reader  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 9:53:14am

re: #148 Ben Hur

I have seen it with my own eyes.

I'm trying to imagine the transgender-targeted ad campaigns.

For instance, ""It's the Real Thing" might generate offense in that particular market segment.

(Okay, I know that's Coke, but couldn't resist.)

183 albusteve  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 9:53:18am

re: #163 Kosh's Shadow

Maybe Israel should tell Egypt, stop the smuggling, or we re-occupy Gaza, and send you all the current inhabitants.
Of course, Egypt would just mow them down, and no one would complain.

for a month I've been saying that Israel must force this problem on Egypt...they simply MUST on way or another....they have to occupy the southern border and make Egypt play it's hand

184 nyc redneck  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 9:53:20am

re: #147 tfc3rid

I heard that yesterday. His exact statement...

Full on Liberal dementia...

shocking. but yet, not really.
i'm just stunned he had the balls to be so aggressive and insulting.
of course his testosterone is up because the O won.
and how he can grunt out REDNECK, like he's a tough guy.
fcker.

185 [deleted]  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 9:53:22am
186 Jack Burton  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 9:53:30am

re: #164 buzzsawmonkey

Regarding the transgender community as a "vital, untapped market," how big can it possibly be? Ten thousand people, tops, nationwide?

And do they require special pandering in order to get them to buy soft drinks?

187 faraway  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 9:53:34am

re: #178 Silhouette

A good example of how people use the term redneck to mean bigot.

The people of the Occupied South are used to it.

188 realwest  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 9:53:45am

re: #149 Iron Fist One correction my friend: I don't think Olmert has the political will.
IIRC over 94% of Israeli's overwhelming supported Operation Cast Lead. Olmert's party will lose BIG TIME in the February elections and with any luck at all, Israel will get someone with big enough 'nads to truly break and destroy Hamas - leadership and fighters.
And maybe have a few "words" to say to Egypt as well.

189 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 9:53:47am

re: #168 Iron Fist

IMHO, Israel lost this one, and Hamas won. How big that defeat/victory is remains to be seen. I think that Obama is going to come down real hard on Israel, but he's going to use Hillary Clinton to do it. People will look back at the pro-Israel Bush Administration and lament the lost oppertunities.

Unfortunately, Bush wouldn't let Israel deal with Iran, and implemented this stupid peace process with people who wouldn't recognize Israel's right to exist.
The Annapolis conference should have been stopped once the PA refused to sign something acknowledging Israel's right to exist as a Jewish state.

190 albusteve  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 9:54:03am

re: #167 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Give Kragaristan 1000 men and the money to outfit them as I see fit and it will be done.

wooohooo......HowwyWood!

191 jwb7605  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 9:54:08am

re: #168 Iron Fist

IMHO, Israel lost this one, and Hamas won. How big that defeat/victory is remains to be seen. I think that Obama is going to come down real hard on Israel, but he's going to use Hillary Clinton to do it. People will look back at the pro-Israel Bush Administration and lament the lost oppertunities.

How hard 44 comes down on Israel will indicate how much defeat Israel will actually endure.
At least, that's the way I see things in 6 months. What will really be entertaining is the strong possibility Netanyahu gets elected. Something tells me 44 and him wouldn't play nicely.

192 akak  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 9:54:16am

The sewage pool there needs to be drained, pump it into tunnels.

193 faraway  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 9:54:26am

Bush: The Real Thing

194 [deleted]  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 9:54:35am
195 tfc3rid  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 9:54:48am

re: #162 J Doc

A year can be a long time for a Democrat President. Remember when Clinto said we would only be in Bosnia for a year?

In any case, I would rather have the prisoners off shore in GITMO than in the Navy brig at Charleston.

I hear ya but of course Bill Clinton, was for the most part, a Centrist and not playing to any one base. Plus, the conditions on the ground in Bosnia were impossible...

Since President Obama is plying to his core group of lefties, he will accomplish it. It's one of the goals of Renewing America.

196 Joan Not of Arc  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 9:55:26am

What. A surprise.
This is why,when one has the chance, one finishes what they start.

197 Dustyvet  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 9:55:45am

re: #182 Occasional Reader

I'm trying to imagine the transgender-targeted ad campaigns.

For instance, ""It's the Real Thing" might generate offense in that particular market segment.

(Okay, I know that's Coke, but couldn't resist.)

"Catch the Pepsi Spirit" God sounds like a bad night in Saigon..:(

198 opnion  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 9:55:49am

re: #168 Iron Fist

IMHO, Israel lost this one, and Hamas won. How big that defeat/victory is remains to be seen. I think that Obama is going to come down real hard on Israel, but he's going to use Hillary Clinton to do it. People will look back at the pro-Israel Bush Administration and lament the lost oppertunities.

I agree with you, but why didn't Israel smack Hamas sooner when they had time to stay & finish the job?
Why in the world wait until just before the Obama Inauguration?
It is really problematic who Obama favors here & he is likely to put lots of pressure on Israel.

199 Golem Akbar  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 9:55:54am

re: #168 Iron Fist

IMHO, Israel lost this one, and Hamas won. How big that defeat/victory is remains to be seen. I think that Obama is going to come down real hard on Israel, but he's going to use Hillary Clinton to do it. People will look back at the pro-Israel Bush Administration and lament the lost oppertunities.

Let's see what happens. Hillary (and Obama) owe a huge debt to American Jews for their election, and Hillary has never turned her back on Israel. I don't like either Hill or Obama, but let's see what happens, first. I am willing to be pleasantly surprised. And I don't think there is any other choice.

200 Occasional Reader  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 9:56:09am

re: #181 J Doc

The first time I saw the new Pepsi commercials I thought they were for the O. The Pepsi logo looks strikingly similar to the Hope/Change/Etc. one. Coincidence?

Absolutely no coincidence. To my knowledge, the first deliberate, large-scale political/consumer ad campaign tie-in. And to think, the lefties are the one who love to scream about how Big Evil Corporations control AmeriKKKa.

201 J Doc  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 9:56:31am

I am pretty sure (correct me if I am wrong) that we still have a BN of peace keepers in the Sinai. Why aren't they doing something about the smuggling?

202 jorline  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 9:56:33am

Tunnels=tunnels rats=rat fleas...need I say more?

203 Kragar  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 9:56:41am

HOPE DAY ONE!

Obama Is Like Biblical Joshua

204 akak  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 9:57:10am

re: #199 Golem Akbar

Let's see what happens. Hillary (and Obama) owe a huge debt to American Jews for their election, and Hillary has never turned her back on Israel. I don't like either Hill or Obama, but let's see what happens, first. I am willing to be pleasantly surprised. And I don't think there is any other choice.


Fayyad & Clintons are too close, no chance.

205 Achilles Tang  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 9:57:12am

Let's see; Israel blockades Gaza and Egypt blockades only above ground transport.

Is the universe screwed up or what?

206 godfrey  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 9:57:47am

re: #168 Iron Fist

How do you figure? Israel obliterated large sections of Hamas, international opinions against Israel were ineffectual, and now a single story about a few tunnels is going to negate the gains? Israel did good: it beat Hamas like a dirty rug. Now the jihadis are skulking back like the dogs they are, and I hope Israel pounds them again.

Message: Hamas has no future. Rinse and repeat.

Then work on Fatah. There is already a "two-state" solution. In fact, there is already a THREE STATE solution, i.e., Israel, Jordan, and Egypt. That's the future, not this money pit called the PA.

207 [deleted]  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 9:57:56am
208 [deleted]  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 9:58:59am
209 brookly red  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 9:59:50am

re: #185 Iron Fist

I'd suggest using a persistant nerve gas, but there are too many complications to that. I wondeer if they could do a minefield similar to the one seperating North Korea from South Korea? That one seems pretty effective.

Maybe some thing more low-tech, like a moat filled with hog waste... hey it's 100% natural :)

210 TheAntichrist  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 10:00:13am

re: #42 Silhouette

There are discussions with the US Army COE to build a "moat" of sorts. Something more like a slurry wall, I think.


I've been advocating a deep trench the length of the Gaza-Egypt border flooded with sea water. Any tunnel will be flooded out and useless. The earth removed from the trench could be used to construct a security berm on the Egypt side of the border.

211 Son of the Black Dog  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 10:00:41am

re: #19 buzzsawmonkey

The Palestinians could become Subway Providers to the World if they only chose to use their tunneling capabilities for good.

They already run the Subway down the street from me.

212 tfc3rid  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 10:00:45am

re: #181 J Doc

That was the point behind the logo change...

213 Opinionated  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 10:00:52am

There could be good news from this unfinished war.

If the Israeli Jewish voting public sees Kadima and Labor for the disastrous lowlifes they are- and eviscerates them at the polls- positive change can come to Israel with a Right thinking government.

214 realwest  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 10:01:11am

re: #168 Iron Fist
I agree with you, but I honestly think that at some point (and, fwiw, I think that point WAS Cast Lead since we were virtually "between leaders") Israel has to be prepared to say FU to the US if it wants to survive.

215 [deleted]  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 10:01:57am
216 notutopia  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 10:02:27am

re: #173 jcm

Paying for civilized behavior is not a viable option.
See Barbary Pirates, paying only drives the demand for more money to ensure the required behavior. Eventually the price is too high, and action must be taken.

re: #170 albusteve

nobody...that's why the problem is 60yrs old already

re: #167 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Give Kragaristan 1000 men and the money to outfit them as I see fit and it will be done.

The resolution to the Philadelphi Route is now in the hands of Olmert and Obama...
Diplomats are working feverishly to seal off the Philadelphi Route and bring an end to the current Gaza conflict. Let's hope ( *there's that hopey changy thing )they remember the critical importance of securing Israel's other borders -- for the sake of Israel's security, and for the stability of its neighbors.
(*my sentiments)
[Link: online.wsj.com...]

217 Occasional Reader  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 10:04:52am

re: #167 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Give Kragaristan 1000 men and the money to outfit them as I see fit and it will be done.

Just don't use Michelle O's designer.

218 realwest  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 10:06:14am

re: #147 tfc3rid
Well you know, if Tom Brokaw wasn't lying about being in the south in the '60's, and Watts and all that, how can he possibley support the Democrats who OWNED the South and Watts, etc. etc. Fuck Brokaw, he "wrote" one great book and other than that hasn't done a damn thing worth talkng about.

219 dhg4  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 10:07:52am

re: #203 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

HOPE DAY ONE!

Obama Is Like Biblical Joshua

You're not ambitious enough. He's like Moses - Joshua's mentor!

(Well maybe I'm overstating the column by a bit.)

220 eon  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 10:09:03am

re: #177 Golem Akbar

/Here in LA we are trying to build a subway system. How about hiring Palestinians? They seem pretty industrious and willing to work for minimum wage...

Another answer is to let them build tunnels in Saudi Arabia, where they will be met with open arms...(yeah, another ////sarc tag is needed).

Here's a question needing an answer: why don't other Arab countries like the Palestinians?

Well, actually, they do like them. Right where they are.

As long as the Palestinians (here defined as "Muslims who refugee'd out of the original Palestine mandate in 1949 rather than accept the original UN Two-State proposal, or descendants thereof") remain a separate social class, in effect a "tribe", within the Arab world, they can be pointed to as the justification for continued hostilities against Israel, as well as a handy tool to extort money and support from the West. If the "Palestinians" had been assimilated into the surround Arab populations in 1948-49, as the Muslims who made a similar movement from India to Pakistan (West and East, now Bangladesh) did after Partition in 1949, there would no longer be any justification for the Arab states' continued determination to destroy Israel.

Not that they'd stop trying, even under that theoretical scenario. But it is the continued existence of the "Palestinians" as putative refugees that gives their Arab "hosts" at least the appearance of "legitimate" grievance- which they use to justify both their continued unlawful aggression, and to garner support from "like-minded" elements in the Western world, meaning our self-styled "intellectuals" who are always looking for a Cause to fell noble about while they are attempting to savage our civilization in the Hopes of replacing it with something more to their liking.

What that may be, I leave as a Gedankenexperiment for the reader.

cheers

eon

221 [deleted]  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 10:10:04am
222 Erik The Red  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 10:10:42am

re: #197 Dustyvet

"Catch the Pepsi Spirit" God sounds like a bad night in Saigon..:(

Hey dv hope the headache is better.

223 gop_patriot  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 10:17:30am

re: #203 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

HOPE DAY ONE!

Obama Is Like Biblical Joshua

Oh. My. God. They're all, even Denzel Washington, comparing him to Biblical characters... SICKENING. Saying that he can lead us, like the Apostle Paul or Moses, to do what we were "supposed to do here on earth".

VOMIT

224 godfrey  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 10:17:58am

re: #221 Iron Fist

I hear you, but using your terms, how could you ever define victory? Kill everyone in Gaza?

225 CyanSnowHawk  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 10:36:16am

re: #111 MJ

Switzerland to consider hosting Guantanamo inmates

[Link: www.reuters.com...]

Good. Just as long as they don't put them at Pendleton and Miramar.

226 Marvo76  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 10:39:15am

re: #67 Sharmuta

I was just wondering why Egypt isn't held accountable for any of this.

They have their own milatants to deal with, in the Muslim brotherhood. Should they start craking down they could lose control of the masses and face a change in regime, which would really hurt Israel, at least now they are still at peace with them...

227 Kragar  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 11:00:02am

re: #217 Occasional Reader

Just don't use Michelle O's designer.

I was thinking more along the lines of combat exoskeletons.

228 WriterMom  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 11:05:30am

re: #224 godfrey

godfreeeeeeeeeeeeeeeyyyyyyyyyyyyy

229 WriterMom  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 11:06:12am

re: #139 tfc3rid

Fool you twice...BOUNCE OLMERT'S ASS RIGHT OUT OF OFFICE.

/and have a nice day.

230 dreader1962  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 11:06:55am

Does anyone else see the dichotomy with the statement 'The goods coming through have included a steady flow of rockets and other weapons.'?

Since when are rockets fired randomly at innocent civilians considered 'goods'? Isn't it important to emphasize that the primary reason for these tunnels are to smuggle weapons to re-arm Hamas? What percentage of what is smuggled necessary to sustain life for the people of Gaza? In other words, if they did not fire rockets at Israel and did not smuggle in weapons, would they need to smuggle goods in to sustain a normal life, or could they actually have peace and stability?

Of course Hamas would die on the vine if they didn't have this means to re-arm and continue their attempt to destroy Israel.

231 WriterMom  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 11:07:13am

re: #177 Golem Akbar

Because the Palestinians have this strange habit of destroying their host countries?

232 WriterMom  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 11:09:05am

re: #122 Occasional Reader

Give me Zionist, boycott-bustin' Coca-Cola

That oughta rotate.

233 WriterMom  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 11:10:14am

re: #62 nyc redneck

Irredeemable.

234 WriterMom  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 11:10:34am

LALLALALLALALAAL I AM ZIONIST OCCUPYIER I OCCUPAY U THREAD

235 Kragar  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 11:15:57am

re: #234 WriterMom

LALLALALLALALAAL I AM ZIONIST OCCUPYIER I OCCUPAY U THREAD

Get a spoon in her mouth or she'll swallow her tongue.

236 Teacake!  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 11:24:12am

No wonder the UN estimates it will take billions to rebuild! LOL FUckers! I don't know how to add a link to the link viewer otherwise I would have posted that article yesterday from yahoo news. New Orleans takes just a couple billion to rebuild so what in gaza takes billion$$$ ? Re digging tunnels and re arming?

gaza is more of a shanty than Tijuana so I was surprised (not)to see that the UN estimated how much the rebuild would cost.

237 WriterMom  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 11:25:21am

re: #235 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Kragar! Don't start with me!

238 WriterMom  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 11:26:02am

re: #236 Teacake!

The Kingdom of Shitistan is far more important than anywhere else in the world. More aid to Shitistan than any other place on the planet.

239 Amer-I-Can  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 11:33:26am

Israel doesn't need to go back into Gaza. All they need is effective Counter Battery Fire. Every time a rocket goes up... put a dozen 155mm rounds on that spot. Make it publicly known that they don't care WHERE the spot is... home/hospital/school/mosque... it doesn't matter. Hopefully, after a few rounds of this, the Palestinian people might get a clue and turn on Hamas and toss them themselves.....

I did say "Hopefully"...... nevermind....

240 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 11:53:35am

re: #144 realwest

No, I'm afraid I don't. But if Israel insisted upon his return, at some point Hamas would have to say he died in captivity.
Then we could forget all about this charade of Hamas being a real government, and Olmert will be out of excuses. And hopefully soon his party will be out of power.
We want Bibi NOW!

Sadly, there's really no point at which Hamas has to say anything, and no international press or governmental agency who will really care how or when Shalit died. Pressuring Hamas on this is well-nigh impossible.

241 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 11:56:11am

re: #163 Kosh's Shadow

Maybe Israel should tell Egypt, stop the smuggling, or we re-occupy Gaza, and send you all the current inhabitants.
Of course, Egypt would just mow them down, and no one would complain.

The world would complain. But they would blame Israel for sending them into the guns.

242 Ron Shaw  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 12:52:32pm

...see someone didn't get the latest PC memo from the MSM and their political hatchling munchkins...they are to be exclusively referred to or described only as 'defensive tunnels.'

243 Olrence  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 3:53:43pm

Can anyone tell us about ground penetrating radar? I thought GPR was specifically suited to detecting soil disturbances and air pockets below the surface, no? The the IAF could thump the tunnels at will.

Problem solvered.

244 Olrence  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 3:59:03pm

"THEN the IAF".....

Perview......

245 Doda McCheesle  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 6:22:28am

Once again Israel's "leaders" lost a war before it even started. It's 2006 all over again... not a single stated objective accomplished- unless you count the real objective which was to distract everyone from the absolute corruption of the worhtless 2 bit crooks that run Israel (i.e. Oldmerde's corruption investigations)...

246 Doda McCheesle  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 6:24:56am

And please don't forget that the beloved "Bibi" HAD HIS CHANCE, and like all other Israeli PM's over the last 30 or so years- HAD HIS BALLS REMOVED once he won the election. Oh, all his tough talk and promises to stop terrorism. And all I remember is that stupid angry face he would make whenever another bus blew up in Jerusalem on his watch...


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