Obama Prepares to Close Gitmo

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On his first day in office, Barack Obama is preparing to keep one of his promises to the international left: Draft order calls for closing Guantanamo Bay.

WASHINGTON (AP) — The new Obama administration circulated a draft executive order Wednesday that calls for closing the controversial detention center at Guantanamo Bay within a year and halting any war crimes trials in the meantime.

Closing the facility in Cuba “would further the national security and foreign policy interests of the United States and the interests of justice,” read the draft prepared for the new president’s signature.

While some of the detainees currently held at Guantanamo would be released, others would be transferred elsewhere and later put on trial under terms to be determined.

Obama advisers are on the news channels today telling us this is going to restore America’s moral standing in the world. Good luck with that.

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387 comments
1 VegasRick  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 9:55:07am

Bullshit.

2 Ben Hur  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 9:55:10am

Not going to happen.

3 MandyManners  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 9:55:44am

Well, whadday' know, all those who were preaching to us to give him a chance the other day?

4 Pyrocles  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 9:55:45am

"would further the national security" - I really don't think so, Barry.

5 Bloodnok  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 9:55:47am

Now that he has a body of work, can I criticize him?

6 maddogg  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 9:55:53am

Already pressing the "down" button on the Express Elevator to Hell.

7 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 9:55:55am
Closing the facility in Cuba “would further the national security and foreign policy interests of the United States and the interests of justice,” read the draft prepared for the new president’s signature.

Someone sure has a perverted view of what constitutes our national security.

8 saberry0530  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 9:56:09am

Fuck'em and the horse they rode in on. Capitulation due to polls is not leadership, it's being a follower.

9 WitchDoctor  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 9:56:09am

it'll happen, and then it will all be dragged through court after court after appeal after appeal and everyone will get so tired of following the issue, it will just go away... at least that's what our President is hoping methinks.

10 [deleted]  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 9:56:11am
11 faraway  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 9:56:22am

Give them work permits in NYC

12 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 9:56:43am

re: #3 MandyManners

Well, whadday' know, all those who were preaching to us to give him a chance the other day?

[finger] to 'em, I say,

13 Ben Hur  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 9:56:48am

OK.

Somebody post that article about the 70+ former prisoners killed on the battlefield since their release.

14 Dave the.....  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 9:56:57am

First two acts...........close Gitmo and promote abortion in military hospitals.

Hey, how come we didn't hear anything yesterday about Obama being decended from a wealthy slave owners?

15 POTUS  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 9:57:03am

Looks like it's gonna be a fun ride...

16 MJ  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 9:57:08am

heard they're going to Switzerland.

Switzerland to consider hosting Guantanamo inmates
[Link: www.reuters.com...]

No doubt the Swiss will treat them better than they did the Jews who tried to enter Switzerland to escape the Nazis.

17 Joan Not of Arc  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 9:57:23am

I've said it before, I'll say it again: God damn him.
National security will go down the tubes.

18 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 9:57:34am

It will restore our moral standing in the world. The world sympathizes with us when we get blown up. But not when we defend ourselves.

Same thing for the US and Israel.

19 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 9:57:37am

re: #8 saberry0530

Fuck'em and the horse they rode in on. Capitulation due to polls is not leadership, it's being a follower.

Looks like O learned well the Clinton governance methods when he appointed all those Clinton retreads.

20 faraway  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 9:57:41am

KSM is in Gitmo

Someone please have the 911 Moms on TV to comment.

21 maddogg  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 9:57:48am

I say parole the prisoners to Washington D.C.

22 unreconstructed rebel  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 9:57:53am
... others would be transferred elsewhere and later put on trial under terms to be determined.


Isn't that called rendition?

23 saberry0530  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 9:58:16am

re: #19 FurryOldGuyJeans

Looks like O learned well the Clinton governance methods when he appointed all those Clinton retreads.

Can I get an AMEN!

24 nyc redneck  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 9:58:28am

and finally the rest of the world will begin to like us.

25 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 9:58:38am

Obama, our most naive president ever, so far.

26 CommonCents  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 9:58:41am

For all those terrorists around the world who just couldn't figure out how to get into the country, just get caught somewhere else in the world. You won't be sent away to some far off abandoned island prison, you'll be a special guest of The President of the United States right here in the U.S.A.

I call Bullshit!

27 Bloodnok  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 9:58:44am

Why leopard, what nice spots you have! Had 'em long?

28 opnion  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 9:58:56am

Petrhaps the Gitmo detainees should be housed at Trinity United Church in Chicago.

29 Ben Hur  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 9:58:57am

Interesting that their countries of origin DON'T want them.

But then again, London is teeming with Islamofascists that were banned from their countries of origin.

Do you think maybe the West should start taking the hint?

30 Kragar  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 9:58:59am

Watch this get bogged down in hearings and impact studies for the next 4 years.

31 godfrey  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 9:59:05am

Loon.

32 bruxellesblog  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 9:59:18am

The word on the street is that the Swiss will take them.
[Link: uk.reuters.com...]

I can see it now...

"Mohammad, Abdul, meet Marc Rich. Marc Rich, Meet Mohammad and Abdul. Didn't you three guys do some deals in Iran a few years back?"

33 Pyrocles  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 9:59:32am

If I had to use one word to describe Obama, it'd be "naive".

re: #25 Honorary Yooper

Obama, our most naive president ever, so far.

34 jorline  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 9:59:32am

Post number 6000...tada!

35 Occasional Reader  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 9:59:35am

As has been amply pointed out by some commentators in recent days; Obama's wording on the subject of Gitmo is curiously slippery. He promises to IMMEDIATELY... begin looking at the problem... to think about how to maybe close Gitmo... in a year.

Could be, he's aware that this is a no-win solution, and is just buying time.

36 x-wing  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 9:59:40am

re: #3 MandyManners

Well, whadday' know, all those who were preaching to us to give him a chance the other day?

Now would be a could time for people like avanti to step up. They want to give That One&#8482 a chance. Let's put the Gitmo detainees under house arrest, in their homes.

37 faraway  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 9:59:41am

re: #28 opnion

Petrhaps the Gitmo detainees should be housed at Trinity United Church in Chicago.

For more training

38 Occasional Reader  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 9:59:47am

re: #21 maddogg

I say parole the prisoners to Washington D.C.

Um, no thank you.

39 Ben Hur  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 9:59:52am

This is all just a distraction.

40 [deleted]  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 9:59:56am
41 reloadingisnotahobby  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 10:00:02am

I hear here's a vacant property outside Chicago....
Near that Farrakhan house!
They'd fit right in!
/

42 Dustyvet  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 10:00:02am

Close Gitmo, move them to the United States, where the moon bats will be asking that a work release program be installed. And conjugal visits...:(

43 dgax65  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 10:00:05am

Any bets on how long it will be before one of those released from GITMO will commit an act of terrorism against the US? If When that happens, I'm sure Reuters and the AP will tell us it was somehow justifiable retribution.

Hang on. The bus is rolling down the hill and there ain't no brakes for at least the next two years.

44 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 10:00:09am

re: #29 Ben Hur

Interesting that their countries of origin DON'T want them.

But then again, London is teeming with Islamofascists that were banned from their countries of origin.

Do you think maybe the West should start taking the hint?

Not bloody likely to happen because we are required to respect the diversity while the animals butcher us.

45 godfrey  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 10:00:13am

To the rest of the world, Obama's restoration of "moral standing" means "now the rest of us can kick the US around like a dog."

Nice.

46 CheDub  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 10:00:22am

"Some would be released" Which ones? Who decides which ones? Where to?
Still no idea on where the others will be transferred to? Is that because they haven't thought that far ahead yet? Can we get an explanation of how making a bunch of European and Middle Eastern countries happy, by releasing people that admittedly want to take part in the destruction of America, can be seen as improving OUR national security?

47 jwb7605  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 10:00:38am

re: #34 jorline

Post number 6000...tada!

Now refute the generalization that women are wordy.
/

48 albusteve  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 10:00:47am

re: #28 opnion

Petrhaps the Gitmo detainees should be housed at Trinity United Church in Chicago.

just cut to the chase and let them all go now...after a bunch of phney theater tha's what's gonna happen anyway....more fantasy

49 opnion  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 10:00:47am

"......Further the Foreign Policy & Security interests of the U.S.........."
I just love the inverted logic.

50 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 10:00:52am

re: #34 jorline

Post number 6000...tada!

Congrats.

51 Occasional Reader  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 10:01:04am

re: #16 MJ

No doubt the Swiss will treat them better than they did the Jews who tried to enter Switzerland to escape the Nazis.

If they wind up anywhere in Europe, they'll probably be welcomed with ticker-tape parades and the Key to the City.

52 littleoldlady  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 10:01:06am

Obama has lied all along about everything and he's lying now.

53 godfrey  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 10:01:13am

Maybe he'll just release the transgendered terrorists.

54 FightingBack  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 10:01:16am

Why wait a year? Release those innocents/freedom fighters/youths now.

55 Dustyvet  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 10:01:19am

re: #28 opnion

Petrhaps the Gitmo detainees should be housed at Trinity United Church in Chicago.

so much for the conjugal visits idea...

56 Ben Hur  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 10:01:32am

I saw a program on the world's worst prisons.

Some of the prisons in South America are absolute hell holes where the prisoners run the prison (LITERALLY) and outcasts are left to fend for themselves - and they starve.

Send them there, because, you know, the world doesn't care.

57 maddogg  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 10:01:41am

Hell, why not just open ALL the prisons. If terrorism isn't a crime, there is no crime, and all those murderers, rapists, and armed robbers are being held immorally. Then we can just have the law of the jungle. You lose leftards.

58 lawhawk  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 10:01:47am
59 [deleted]  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 10:01:54am
60 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 10:01:54am

re: #42 Dustyvet

Close Gitmo, move them to the United States, where the moon bats will be asking that a work release program be installed. And conjugal visits...:(

Combine the two and have them work on a goat farm.

61 Sharmuta  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 10:02:15am
Obama advisers are on the news channels today telling us this is going to restore America’s moral standing in the world.

I'm confused- how can 0bama advisors say this will restore something they didn't think this country had to begin with?

62 Dustyvet  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 10:02:18am

re: #52 littleoldlady

Obama has lied all along about everything and he's lying now.

Hi Lady, this is the first time I've seen you on the day side..:)

63 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 10:02:27am

re: #43 dgax65

Any bets on how long it will be before one of those released from GITMO will commit an act of terrorism against the US? If When that happens, I'm sure Reuters and the AP will tell us it was somehow justifiable retribution.

Hang on. The bus is rolling down the hill and there ain't no brakes for at least the next two years.

And the driver just got his learners' permit.

64 opnion  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 10:02:41am

re: #42 Dustyvet

Close Gitmo, move them to the United States, where the moon bats will be asking that a work release program be installed. And conjugal visits...:(


Domestic goats or mail order brides from the Middle East?

65 Know Your Enemy  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 10:02:52am

Pandering to the netroots. Everyone knows this will take years to implement.

66 albusteve  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 10:02:53am

re: #51 Occasional Reader

If they wind up anywhere in Europe, they'll probably be welcomed with ticker-tape parades and the Key to the City.

if they are not guilty of anything then why go to Europe?...why not just go down to Key West...

67 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 10:02:56am

re: #45 godfrey

To the rest of the world, Obama's restoration of "moral standing" means "now the rest of us can kick the US around like a dog."

Nice.

You got it. Upding.

68 Pastorius  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 10:02:58am

The biggest story of the day is that Geert Wilders is being charged with a hate crime for comparing Islam to Nazism.

There is no bigger story than that.

That story is of historical importance.

69 faraway  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 10:03:03am

We must set aside a new Homeland across the border from DC in VA. Let the terrorists and Palis have their own land here so we can extend our hand in friendship. If they fire a few rockets, we will ask them to stop.

70 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 10:03:04am

re: #57 maddogg

Hell, why not just open ALL the prisons. If terrorism isn't a crime, there is no crime, and all those murderers, rapists, and armed robbers are being held immorally. Then we can just have the law of the jungle. You lose leftards.

The only real crime on the books of Leftoid law is not being one of them.

71 Boolz  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 10:03:32am

so can we start waterboarding them again once they're in Switzerland?

72 opnion  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 10:03:35am

re: #55 Dustyvet

so much for the conjugal visits idea...

Not really, Rev Wright was a hck of a lady killer.

73 tfc3rid  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 10:03:44am

America is less safe today than it was yesterday... The Progressives don't see that...

74 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 10:03:47am

re: #3 MandyManners

McCain promised to close gitmo too. The was bound to happen no matter who won.

75 justabill  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 10:03:50am

How about this, each congressman who votes for closing Git Mo will take on as an aid one of the remaining detainees. Any extra detainees will be made part of Secret Service and assigned to guard the President and first family.

76 VegasRick  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 10:03:50am

re: #55 Dustyvet

so much for the conjugal visits idea...

No goats allowed at Trinity?

77 FightingBack  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 10:03:52am

Child Molesters can be rehabilitated can't they? Same dif.

78 Ojoe  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 10:04:04am

1. The people from whom our country might receive injury do not care about our "moral standing."

2. The people who fawn over "moral standing" in this case are fickle at best.

3. True morality for us would be to maintain our strength, because peace is maintained by strength not idealism.


OMG I hope Obama is a quick learner.

79 pink freud  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 10:04:18am

re: #62 Dustyvet

It was important.

Hi LOL!

Glad to see you reconsidered, Dustyvet. :-)

80 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 10:04:26am

re: #52 littleoldlady

Obama has lied all along about everything and he's lying now.

How can anyone really tell, so few actual words escape the O's lips amid all the stuttering.

81 Jack Burton  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 10:05:15am
Obama advisers apostles are on the news channels today telling us this is going to restore America’s moral standing in the world.

Fixed

82 [deleted]  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 10:05:23am
83 bulwrk  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 10:05:31am

And so it begins.

84 Ben Hur  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 10:05:33am

re: #68 Pastorius

The biggest story of the day is that Geert Wilders is being charged with a hate crime for comparing Islam to Nazism.

There is no bigger story than that.

That story is of historical importance.

He will be greeted by European Leftists and Islamists with Israeli flags with Swatzikas on them.

And the irony will be lost on all of them.

Ahhh...the good ol' days.

When "No more double standard" actually applied.

85 LC HOGHEAD  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 10:05:40am

Can FOCA and EFCA be far behind? Will the spineless Repubbies fight, or even care? Im ASHAMED OF my party.

86 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 10:05:47am

re: #70 FurryOldGuyJeans

The only real crime on the books of Leftoid law is not being one of them.

Not quite. Being a Jew; being an Israeli (even a leftist Israeli), are crimes to leftoids.

87 debutaunt  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 10:05:49am

re: #15 POTUS

Looks like it's gonna be a fun ride...

In the dis-functional sense...

88 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 10:05:55am

re: #74 Killgore Trout

McCain promised to close gitmo too. The was bound to happen no matter who won.

McCain has some very personal reasons for that policy, not that I agree with it. O is just following the polls.

89 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 10:06:00am

re: #74 Killgore Trout

McCain promised to close gitmo too. The was bound to happen no matter who won.

OT - We have to return to the Island.

90 littleoldlady  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 10:06:10am

re: #62 Dustyvet

Hi Lady, this is the first time I've seen you on the day side..:)

Dustyvet! :-)

I know! The sunlight is KILLING me!

91 Silhouette  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 10:06:21am

In a way, all the leftist lies about Gitmo being a den of torture helped us. It was good for terrorists to fear going to Gitmo.

But the leftists believed their own lies.

92 Ben Hur  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 10:06:26am

Send them to Israel.

93 rawmuse  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 10:06:27am

The Full Employment for Defense Attorneys Act of 2009 is now in full force.

94 godfrey  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 10:06:30am

When it's closed, Obama will give them each a copy of Saul Alinsky's book Rules for Radicals as a parting gift. Don't make them enemies! They could be our revolutionary friends! etc.

/Alinsky's book is really pretty interesting

95 reloadingisnotahobby  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 10:06:30am

I'm afraid the EPA has a better chance of protecting America from terrorism than this Hussein fellow!
No ///intended!

96 winston06  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 10:06:32am

Obambi worship on MSM is disgusting and just stupid.

97 Cato the Elder  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 10:06:34am

It's a symbolic move. Most if not all of the detainees who haven't already been released will simply be moved to other facilities. Obama knows that full well, and it's already being planned for (I read it somewhere, not sure where).

Breaking up the detainees into small groups could actually have its advantages.

98 Sharmuta  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 10:06:40am

Seriously- WTF? The left doesn't think America has a moral standing. In their minds America is an evil, imperialist, racist country and has been for decades. So what moral standing do they think they're restoring?

99 akak  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 10:06:48am

Coming to a halfway house near you, 9-11 confessors.

100 Occasional Reader  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 10:06:51am

re: #48 albusteve

just cut to the chase and let them all go now...after a bunch of phney theater tha's what's gonna happen anyway....more fantasy

I say, return them to the battlefield in Afghanistan.

Be sure to let the 101st Airborne know exactly where, and when, that's due to happen.

Problem solved.

101 tfc3rid  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 10:07:04am

re: #59 ploome hineni

Well Robinette Biden did say that there would be a crisis...

102 VioletTiger  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 10:07:11am

Obama fully buys the liberal mantra that the world is a flipping popularity contest. What is he planning to do with the terrorists?

Quoting Rudy , 'what part of the terrorists want to kill us don't you understand?'

103 CommonCents  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 10:07:27am

re: #56 Ben Hur

I saw a program on the world's worst prisons.

Some of the prisons in South America are absolute hell holes where the prisoners run the prison (LITERALLY) and outcasts are left to fend for themselves - and they starve.

Send them there, because, you know, the world doesn't care.

The U.S. must have the absolute worst prisons on the planet. You never hear any world outrage about the South American prisons you reference, or the wonderful accomodations in southeast Asia, or Russia, or the 4-star resorts in Mexico. I've heard African prisons are bougeious. And of course, all of Europe is above reproach [spoken with teeth clenched].

My response to world outrage would be, okay we'll close it, you first.

104 Jewels (AKA Julian)  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 10:07:45am

and the shadow of Jimmy Carter appears in the White House....

this won't end well. tho to be fair, if they are as stupid as the other Jihadi coming out of gitmo, they'll be pushing daises quickly

105 Ojoe  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 10:07:46am

re: #98 Sharmuta

Why did you put the word think in your comment?

106 godfrey  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 10:07:47am

re: #98 Sharmuta

The "moral standing" when the Left was in charge, of course. That's the only time the US has had moral standing.

107 littleoldlady  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 10:07:59am

re: #79 pink freud

pink! :-)

108 Marvo76  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 10:07:59am

If they are ever released to the general public, d o you think they will be grateful enough to the Big O that they will forgo terror on the US? ....BWHAHAHAHAHA
////

109 Dustyvet  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 10:08:07am

re: #90 littleoldlady

Dustyvet! :-)

I know! The sunlight is KILLING me!


Vampires...) anyone know how to make fangs?

110 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 10:08:14am

re: #68 Pastorius

I fully support Geert's right to free speech but he should think about the implications of his calls to outlaw the Quran. It would restrict other people's freedom of religion. What he is proposing is equally unjust as his hate speech prosecution. It's a shame that Europeans don't have a more American concept of freedom and liberty.

111 Dr. Shalit  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 10:08:37am

With the assumption that President Obama is correct about his "blood" connection to Former Vice President Cheney - can Cheney ask for a DNA test?
With the move to close Gitmo, one HAS to wonder about the accuracy of the relationship claim.

-S-

112 notutopia  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 10:08:46am

re: #60 Kosh's Shadow

Combine the two and have them work on a goat farm.

They're not working on my US goat farm! Take them to Switzerland! There's lots of goats there too.

113 oronpam  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 10:08:50am

Lets see:

1) close Gtmo - check
2) release prisoners after a hug and their promise to behave - in progress

How can this go wrong/

114 godfrey  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 10:08:51am

I'm not worried. Obama showed his bare chest in the surf a month ago. That'll scare 'em.

115 redc1c4  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 10:08:52am

dear Juggy,

you hopelessly naive, utterly clueless and completely unqualified corrupt Chicago hack: when the now inevitable terrorist attack strikes America, and kills the citizens you swore just yesterday to protect, all the spin and bullshit in the world won't protect you from the reality of your deliberate failure. neither the voters, nor history will be kind to you. the blood of our nation will be on your hands and your hands alone. j'accuse!

no love,
the 48% of the voters who have a clue.

116 FightingBack  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 10:08:56am

re: #82 buzzsawmonkey

There might be some good intel obtained if the prisoners were given compulsory conjugal visits from Medea Benjamin, Randi Rhodes, Amy Goodman, and some others I could think of: "By the beard of the Prophet, I shall tell you truthfully all you wish to know! Just make the visits stop!"

My favorite in this category: Lynne Stewart

117 maddogg  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 10:08:58am

re: #96 winston06

Obambi worship on MSM is disgusting and just stupid.

Its worse than stupid. Its like any intelligence in the world took a powder. We are awash in the great flood of stoopid.

118 tfc3rid  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 10:09:02am

This is all just Public Relations bullshit...

119 lawhawk  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 10:09:04am

Released where? Many of the countries that these detainees are citizens of do not want them back. China doesn't want to take in the Uighurs. Others don't want their terrorists back either. For all the talk about how Gitmo is a human rights blight on the US, consider that the detainees are treated far more humanely there than any of those terrorists deserve. Many have ended up back in the jihad.

These aren't innocents that the US captured willy nilly. They were captured on battlefields where they were trying to kill Americans. They were captured because they were self-professed al Qaeda who sought to kill Americans.

But look and see how President Obama is now violating these terrorists rights by delaying their day in court. Obama is now calling for a 120 day delay so that he can review matters further. Had Bush done this, the ACLU and the media would be going crazy about how Bush is violating human rights, the US Constitution, and international law with such a directive. Here? Not so much.

120 LGoPs  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 10:09:14am

My biggest problem with these leftists is that I don't trust their judgement. They look at a set of facts and consistently come up with exactly the wrong answer.
Ok if you're running a city....worst that can happen is your garbage gets picked up late.......or your kids are made stupid......sheesh.
When they're running a country, the worst that can happen is lots of us get killed. All on the altar of their sanctimonious sensitivities......

121 OldLineTexan  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 10:09:14am

Gitmo is the least of our worries. Retreaded post:

Feb. 12, 2009

In an Executive Order spanning the entire Guantanamo Bay issue, President Barack Obama has closed the prison, ordered the fencing and guard towers removed, and sent 486 FEMA trailers to the Cuban location.

Feb. 13, 2009

In a surprise attack yesterday, Cuban citizens stormed the former Guantanamo Bay detention facility, snatching up toilets, jumpsuits, and FEMA trailers. Stated one man, who wished to remain anonymous, "I have been looking through this fence at all this wealth and luxury for years. Look at this! They even have toilet paper with writing on it so you can relax in the bano. These Jihadists are decadent capitalist scum, and they should be reeducated by the People's Worker's Party's Reform Schools."

Feb. 14, 2009

In a massive rescue effort not seen in decades, the US Coast Guard spent all last night picking former Guantanamo Bay detainees out of the seas surrounding Cuba. Many pleaded with Coast Guard personnel to take them "anywhere but back to all those angry Communists."

122 notutopia  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 10:09:22am

re: #92 Ben Hur

Send them to Israel.

?

123 Kragar  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 10:09:23am

Closing Gitmo doesn't mean release them. Obama just wants to move them next door to you.

No Gitmo Detainees to Pendleton

President-elect Barack Obama is preparing to issue an executive order his first week in office — and perhaps his first day — to close the U.S. military prison at Guantanamo Bay, according to two presidential transition team advisers. It's unlikely the detention facility at the Navy base in Cuba will be closed anytime soon. In an interview last weekend, Obama said it would be "a challenge" to close it even within the first 100 days of his administration. Read the article here.

Lawmakers have moved to block transfer of the detainees to at least two potential and frequently discussed military facilities: an Army prison at Fort Leavenworth, Kan., and a Navy brig in Charleston, S.C. A Marine Corps prison at Camp Pendleton in Southern California also is under consideration, a Pentagon official said.

Closing Gitmo is Obama's meaningless appeasement gesture to the Libs. All it amounts to is political grandstanding and paper shuffling.

124 Elcid  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 10:09:36am
125 albusteve  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 10:09:40am

re: #100 Occasional Reader

I say, return them to the battlefield in Afghanistan.

Be sure to let the 101st Airborne know exactly where, and when, that's due to happen.

Problem solved.

that's too practical....where will they go?....nobody has provided us with the alternative....federal prison?...what's the difference...it's just more of the same trumped up bullshit that shouldnt even make a news story...now what BO!...tell us

126 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 10:09:41am

re: #89 Walter L. Newton

I'm looking forward to it.

127 Peacekeeper  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 10:09:44am

Inevitably some will end up as US citizens.

128 Ben Hur  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 10:09:45am

re: #91 Silhouette

In a way, all the leftist lies about Gitmo being a den of torture helped us. It was good for terrorists to fear going to Gitmo.

But the leftists believed their own lies.


All that shit is a tactic.

They used it against Israel for decades - anyone remember the name of the INFAMOUS Israeli prison in S Lebanon that was the sight of unimagined torture?

Of course not, because the day after Israel pulled out, there was no reason for Israel's enemies to carry on the lie.

They say the same thing about every security prison - I've served in them.

It's a BS tactic.

There is NOT ONE leftist attack on the US and its military since 9/11 that hasn't already been used on Israel.

129 Pyrocles  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 10:09:54am

"Terrorists? But, dear, we are the terrorists." - Leftist logic

re: #102 VioletTiger

Obama fully buys the liberal mantra that the world is a flipping popularity contest. What is he planning to do with the terrorists?

Quoting Rudy , 'what part of the terrorists want to kill us don't you understand?'

130 winston06  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 10:09:57am

re: #117 maddogg

Its worse than stupid. Its like any intelligence in the world took a powder. We are awash in the great flood of stoopid.

I can not understand what makes people so excited about this radical empty suit that s now the POTUS. Very scary!

131 nyc redneck  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 10:10:00am

re: #40 buzzsawmonkey

Misery loves company; the rest of the world will "like" us because it can rejoice in schadenfreude over our being subjected to the same terrorism that flourishes elsewhere.

so in other words, they are not going to like us at all.
they will feed on our misery.
anyone who thinks the rest of the world is going to like us, in weakness, knows nothing abt. human nature.
we will never reach the petty schadenfreude sob's.
we will only get respect from them by remaining strong.
any enlightened people out there looking at us, will like and admire us for not trying to impress them.
they will like us because we do the right thing, irrespective of the opinion of losers, who are out there, hoping to see us fail.
the O has no idea what i'm talking abt.
it is dangerous to have him in charge.

132 Kenneth  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 10:10:03am

Note to President Obama:

1. You can't deport them because their home countries either don't want them or they will torture them.
2. You can't put them on trial in a regular court as the rules of evidence would apply and they would all be acquitted.
3. Do you really want to release them into America?

133 Sharmuta  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 10:10:03am

re: #106 godfrey

The "moral standing" when the Left was in charge, of course. That's the only time the US has had moral standing.

Well- that can't be LBJ or clinton's moral standings then, because of Vietnam and the Balkans, so it must be carter's.

134 Dr. Shalit  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 10:10:05am

re: #92 Ben Hur

Send them to Israel.

Ben Hur -

Better Yet - Send them to CHINA -or- Release them in CUBA.

-S-

135 OldLineTexan  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 10:10:10am

re: #74 Killgore Trout

McCain promised to close gitmo too. The was bound to happen no matter who won.

No, the Dems would've stopped him out of force of habit.

Is there a "only partially sarcastic" tag?

136 jcm  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 10:10:38am

KSM can stay in the Lincoln bedroom.

137 Dustyvet  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 10:10:41am

re: #112 notutopia

They're not working on my US goat farm! Take them to Switzerland! There's lots of goats there too.

138 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 10:10:47am

re: #118 tfc3rid

This is all just Public Relations bullshit...

With all due respect I would prefer to take O at his word what he says he will do until proven beyond a shadow of a doubt as a publicity stunt.

139 Marvo76  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 10:10:52am

Damn, he has more important things to think about, he has to pay my mortgage, get my kid braces, and I want tobe there whent he first batch of rainbow shitting unicorns prances down the ramp from whatever alternate reality he imports them from.

140 CommonCents  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 10:10:54am

re: #114 godfrey

I'm not worried. Obama showed his bare chest in the surf a month ago. That'll scare 'em.

Ah those chisled pecs. Makes a tingle go up my leg.

141 Ben Hur  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 10:10:56am

re: #119 lawhawk

I knew you'd come through with the goods.

Thanks.

BBL

142 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 10:11:05am

re: #126 Killgore Trout

I'm looking forward to it.

Send all the folks from Gitmo to The Island!

143 albusteve  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 10:11:05am

re: #118 tfc3rid

This is all just Public Relations bullshit...

it must be....what else can it mean

144 [deleted]  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 10:11:34am
145 Ben Hur  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 10:11:38am

re: #134 Dr. Shalit

Ben Hur -

Better Yet - Send them to CHINA -or- Release them in CUBA.

-S-

GAZA!

146 Elcid  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 10:11:40am

Ooopppsss! Well, it needed to be highlighted anway.

147 realwest  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 10:11:50am

re: #52 littleoldlady
HEY there you! Hope you've got your sunglasses on! LOL!
It's good to see you out here in the daylight! How are ya?

148 Dustyvet  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 10:11:55am

re: #124 Elcid

LMFAO. You dolts., You fucking dolts.

The page cannot be found

Bad Liky?

149 Gella  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 10:11:58am

that means: terrorists and such, welcome to US, u can do what u want as u should

150 Know Your Enemy  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 10:11:59am

re: #122 notutopia

?


I think he means let the Israelis take custody of them.

151 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 10:12:00am

re: #142 Walter L. Newton

Linus would know what to do with them.

152 godfrey  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 10:12:16am

re: #133 Sharmuta

This is a rhetorical shell game. They now have the bullhorn.

153 Elcid  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 10:12:21am

and anYway

154 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 10:12:28am

re: #151 Killgore Trout

Linus would know what to do with them.

Ben always has a plan.

155 MJ  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 10:12:39am

Perhaps a nice peanut farm in Plains, Georgia could use some help.

156 notutopia  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 10:12:40am

re: #134 Dr. Shalit

Ben Hur -

Better Yet - Send them to CHINA -or- Release them in CUBA.

-S-

If you release them in cuba, they'll just hop onto the next boat and swim into Miami.

157 x-wing  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 10:12:42am

re: #109 Dustyvet

Vampires...) anyone know how to make fangs?

I can only do buck teeth ;>)=

158 MisterCookie  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 10:12:55am

Well, so much for blinding myself with the idea that "he can't be that bad." Its going to be a long four years.

159 FightingBack  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 10:13:05am

re: #127 Peacekeeper

Inevitably some will end up as US citizens.

They needn't bother. Even illegals can get free health care.

160 Texas Heathen  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 10:13:17am

re: #109 Dustyvet

Glad to see you didn't let one little dressing down from Charles keep you from the community. :)

161 unreconstructed rebel  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 10:13:20am

re: #157 x-wing

I can only do buck teeth ;>)=

:>)

162 iChef  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 10:13:23am

I think they should house the "detainees" aka TERRORISTS on the south lawn ... after all D.C. is not a state so they could have "special rules" for the "detainees" ..

163 Pietr  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 10:13:24am

re: #109 Dustyvet

Vampires...) anyone know how to make fangs?

Army or Air ones?

/white smoke...

164 Elcid  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 10:13:29am

re: #148 Dustyvet

The page cannot be found

Bad Liky?

Nahhh, just fucked up...First mistake this decade so far.

165 Dustyvet  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 10:13:40am

re: #157 x-wing

I can only do buck teeth ;>)=

Nice Beaver...:) snort...:)

166 unreconstructed rebel  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 10:13:42am

:>)

167 OldLineTexan  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 10:13:48am

re: #144 ploome hineni

chip 'em and send them back to jeeehad

/then findem

HA! Little RFID tags all over 'em.

168 redc1c4  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 10:13:51am

re: #52 littleoldlady

Obama has lied all along about everything and he's lying now.

that's what he does best........

fruitcuo, anyone?

169 Marvo76  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 10:13:51am

re: #110 Killgore Trout

I fully support Geert's right to free speech but he should think about the implications of his calls to outlaw the Quran. It would restrict other people's freedom of religion. What he is proposing is equally unjust as his hate speech prosecution. It's a shame that Europeans don't have a more American concept of freedom and liberty.

In all fairness they are already calling the bible hate speech so why not put the koran to the same standards, heck the bible is mostly history, where as the Koran wants everyone to kill jooos and infidels if they don't covert.....TODAY!

170 saberry0530  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 10:14:02am

Line them up, march them out the front gate, close the gate behind them. Not our problem , till they try to get back INTO the prison. Interesting choice, swim 90 miles with the sharks or try to cross the mine field.

171 amphibian  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 10:14:06am

Nice. So are we going to release the scumbags we'd been holding there back into the wild, or will the President let them live in a wing in the White House?

172 vxbush  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 10:14:15am

re: #155 MJ

Perhaps a nice peanut farm in Plains, Georgia could use some help.

Nah, they should go door to door, selling carbon credits. Which, in their case, means, "how long until I can turn you into carbon, you satanist dog of an American"?

173 txleadfoot00  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 10:14:16am

Oh, great...Detente, Part Deux. Hope the Marines are stepping up the guard details at the embassies (especially Mexico City and Islamabad). I can still remember watching the TV coverage of the Tehran 1979 situation (I was 6 when that went down). I hope to God we don't have to see that again, but I've got a bad feeling...

174 [deleted]  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 10:14:26am
175 OldLineTexan  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 10:14:27am

re: #151 Killgore Trout

Linus would know what to do with them.

Smack 'em with a blanket? Quote them a Bible verse? Force them to worship The Great Pumpkin?

/

176 unreconstructed rebel  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 10:14:29am

Hmmmm, so the backarrow is a special character? Doesn't print.

177 Know Your Enemy  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 10:14:30am

re: #167 OldLineTexan

HA! Little RFID tags all over 'em.


That's brilliant. Seriously.

178 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 10:14:34am

re: #157 x-wing

I can only do buck teeth ;>)=

Look more like Issur Danielovitch's chin cleft.

179 LGoPs  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 10:14:46am

I have a question (I'm afraid I suspect I know the answer but I'll ask anyway).
If as the result of stupid decisions like this American citizens get killed and it's demonstrable that it was committed as a direct result of this decision....is there any legal recourse?
I hate litigation but it's one of the left's primary weapons and it would be nice to use it on them...........

180 tfc3rid  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 10:14:54am

re: #127 Peacekeeper

Inevitably some will end up as US citizens.

Sure, once the shamesty passes and is signed into law... Another 20 Million Dem votes.

181 godfrey  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 10:15:03am

What's not to like? Obama ties up their cases in the courts, trial lawyers write him appreciative checks, they probably won't be freed anyway, terrorists around the world sense weakness of resolve and strike, and Obama gets to appear like Our Savior by launching a few cruise missiles a la Clinton and sail right through the sh*tstorm with a smile. Easy.

182 MisterCookie  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 10:15:07am

re: #171 amphibian

I don't think the White House has room for any more scum at this point. The Clitonites are too busy trying to lease out bedrooms and they need all the space they can get.

183 Sharmuta  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 10:15:12am

re: #115 redc1c4

dear Juggy,

you hopelessly naive, utterly clueless and completely unqualified corrupt Chicago hack: when the now inevitable terrorist attack strikes America, and kills the citizens you swore just yesterday to protect, all the spin and bullshit in the world won't protect you from the reality of your deliberate failure. neither the voters, nor history will be kind to you. the blood of our nation will be on your hands and your hands alone. j'accuse!

no love,
the 48% of the voters who have a clue.

For once in his life, he's actually accountable for something. No colleagues to hide behind, no "present" button. And if there is an attack (God forbid), no amount of spin from the msm will keep him from being held accountable after this.

184 FightingBack  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 10:15:41am

re: #179 LGoPs

I have a question (I'm afraid I suspect I know the answer but I'll ask anyway).
If as the result of stupid decisions like this American citizens get killed and it's demonstrable that it was committed as a direct result of this decision....is there any legal recourse?
I hate litigation but it's one of the left's primary weapons and it would be nice to use it on them...........

Only against Reps.

185 jcm  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 10:15:49am

re: #155 MJ

Perhaps a nice peanut farm in Plains, Georgia could use some help.

I hear it's got a rabbit and cat problem, they can keep them away.

186 Marvo76  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 10:15:52am

Hey wait, I just had a brain fart, why not release them OVER THE FENCE in Cuba proper? that would show them both some of America's sense of justice.../////

187 redc1c4  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 10:15:54am

re: #97 Cato the Elder

It's a symbolic move. Most if not all of the detainees who haven't already been released will simply be moved to other facilities. Obama knows that full well, and it's already being planned for (I read it somewhere, not sure where).

Breaking up the detainees into small groups could actually have its advantages.

so would dropping them off outside the 100 fathom line.........

/white smoke

188 tfc3rid  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 10:16:01am

re: #138 FurryOldGuyJeans

With all due respect I would prefer to take O at his word what he says he will do until proven beyond a shadow of a doubt as a publicity stunt.

Oh I agree. I think he wants to close it and move the prisoners. I meant he reason behind it is PR... Feel good, hopey changey BS.

189 realwest  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 10:16:03am

re: #36 x-wing Uh, avanti is on a self-imposed sabbatical from LGF - from last night's thread just before the Dead Thread.
Seems he got tired of folks, ya know, quoting facts to him, giving him links to support such facts and the like.
I believe his parting shot was to the effect that he was taking a sabbatical from LGF because it's so hard to get Right Wingers to reach across the Aisle.

190 ageekintraining  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 10:16:14am
Obama advisers are on the news channels today telling us this is going to restore America’s moral standing in the world.

Restore America's moral standing? It's never worked for Israel, don't see it working now.

191 Opinionated  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 10:16:16am

Can anyone say that the UN is moral? The EU? The Islamic states? The tyrannies in Africa?

Once American Exceptionalism held that they less moral should strive to rise to our standards.

Now we will sink to appease the World at the lowest common denominator of subjective morality as manifested by the disgusting UN Human Rights Commission.

192 OldLineTexan  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 10:16:33am

re: #177 Know Your Enemy

That's brilliant. Seriously.

ploome did it!

We just have to make sure the missiles are set to "Jihadist" and not "lost kitty".

193 Occasional Reader  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 10:16:33am

re: #183 Sharmuta

And if there is an attack (God forbid), no amount of spin from the msm will keep him from being held accountable after this.

It's Bush's fault. He didn't connect the dots. He angered the world. He squandered goodwill. (etc. etc. etc.)

194 rawmuse  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 10:16:37am

re: #179 LGoPs

IIRC you can't sue the Feds.

195 Dustyvet  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 10:16:42am

re: #180 tfc3rid

Sure, once the shamesty passes and is signed into law... Another 20 Million Dem votes.

Coming soon to a 7-11 near you..."Would you like a slurrpee infadel?"

196 littleoldlady  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 10:17:01am

re: #147 realwest

{realwest!} :-)

I'm okay!

/except for the "avoiding work right now" part... ;-)

How's by you?

197 unreconstructed rebel  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 10:17:06am

re: #186 Marvo76

Hey wait, I just had a brain fart, why not release them OVER THE FENCE in Cuba proper? that would show them both some of America's sense of justice.../////

I wonder if it would ruin the commandants career to wake up one morning with a hole in the fence?

198 freedombilly  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 10:17:23am

Speaking of terrorists, good on ya Canada!

199 Sharmuta  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 10:17:39am

re: #168 redc1c4

that's what he does best........

fruitcuo, anyone?

Yes- I would love some of your fruitcup.

200 pink freud  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 10:17:43am

re: #173 txleadfoot00

DUBAI (Reuters) - The U.S. consulate in the cosmopolitan Gulf Arab business hub of Dubai closed to the public for security reasons Wednesday, it said without giving details of any threats.

"Based on security information specific to the consulate general provided by Dubai authorities, the U.S. consulate general in Dubai will be closed to the public on January 21, 2009," the consulate said in a statement on its website.

201 notutopia  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 10:17:44am

re: #189 realwest

Uh, avanti is on a self-imposed sabbatical from LGF - from last night's thread just before the Dead Thread.
Seems he got tired of folks, ya know, quoting facts to him, giving him links to support such facts and the like.
I believe his parting shot was to the effect that he was taking a sabbatical from LGF because it's so hard to get Right Wingers to reach across the Aisle.

Let's send the Gitmo detainees to Avanti's house.

202 MisterCookie  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 10:17:46am

re: #190 ageekintraining

Restore America's moral standing? It's never worked for Israel, don't see it working now.


Don't worry! Capitulation is just like communism! The only reason it hasn't work is because it wasn't done right the other twenty times! You just need to give it another chance!

203 Marvo76  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 10:17:47am

re: #191 Opinionated

Can anyone say that the UN is moral? The EU? The Islamic states? The tyrannies in Africa?

Once American Exceptionalism held that they less moral should strive to rise to our standards.

Now we will sink to appease the World at the lowest common denominator of subjective morality as manifested by the disgusting UN Human Rights Commission.

You can't use UN and morals in the same sentence, it isn't PC....///

204 LGoPs  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 10:17:49am

re: #194 rawmuse

IIRC you can't sue the Feds.

That's what I was thinking......

205 x-wing  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 10:17:50am

re: #168 redc1c4

that's what he does best........

fruitcuo, anyone?

I gotta work soon, how bout later tonite?

Ah hell, what's one snort...pour away ;>}

206 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 10:17:51am

re: #169 Marvo76

Despite the claims I've never seen anyone put on trial for being Christian. Europe is still about 80% Christian (I'm just guessing here) and nobody has been put on trial for it.

207 Dustyvet  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 10:17:54am

re: #196 littleoldlady

{realwest!} :-)

I'm okay!

/except for the "avoiding work right now" part... ;-)

How's by you?

Singing "Sunshine on my shoulders, makes me sunburned"

208 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 10:18:08am

re: #195 Dustyvet

Coming soon to a 7-11 near you..."Would you like a slurrpee infadel?"

Would you like the cherry or 'splodey slurpee, infidel?

209 aboo-Hoo-Hoo  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 10:18:10am

Of course the news and action of closing Gitmo, even next year, should go nicely with Bush, Rumsfeld should be pursued for torture: UN rapporteur.

We're going to find ourselves along with Israel backed into a corner - provided Obummer simply doesn't toss Israel to the wolves which is what I would expect - real damned quick.

210 jwb7605  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 10:18:17am

re: #197 unreconstructed rebel

I wonder if it would ruin the commandants career to wake up one morning with a hole in the fence?

44 was just sworn in. The commandant's career is already over. Pelosi might prosecute him for war crimes.

211 Ojoe  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 10:18:46am

Machiavelli has this to say:

Upon this a question arises: whether it be better to be loved than feared or feared than loved? It may be answered that one should wish to be both, but, because it is difficult to unite them in one person, is much safer to be feared than loved, when, of the two, either must be dispensed with. Because this is to be asserted in general of men, that they are ungrateful, fickle, false, cowardly, covetous, and as long as you succeed they are yours entirely; they will offer you their blood, property, life and children, as is said above, when the need is far distant; but when it approaches they turn against you. And that prince who, relying entirely on their promises, has neglected other precautions, is ruined; because friendships that are obtained by payments, and not by greatness or nobility of mind, may indeed be earned, but they are not secured, and in time of need cannot be relied upon; and men have less scruple in offending one who is beloved than one who is feared, for love is preserved by the link of obligation which, owing to the baseness of men, is broken at every opportunity for their advantage; but fear preserves you by a dread of punishment which never fails.

212 x-wing  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 10:18:49am

re: #178 FurryOldGuyJeans

Look more like Issur Danielovitch's chin cleft.

He got a butthole on his chin ;>}

213 Optimizer  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 10:18:57am

I'm sure the current detainees, having had plenty of time to do a cost-benefit analysis, will quietly blend into our society (after illegally entering the US), claim the designation "former terrorist", and pursue a career as a "respected educator". /sarc

Meanwhile, whoever's still alive in the caves of Afghanistan and Pakistan are making jokes about looking forward to being read their Miranda rights, and being provided a lawyer at their enemy's expense, if they are ever caught.

214 amphibian  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 10:19:03am

re: #13 Ben Hur

OK.

Somebody post that article about the 70+ former prisoners killed on the battlefield since their release.

Our troops aren't stupid. I imagine that a lot more jihadniks will regrettably be shot while trying to escape wherever they get captured. Pity, that. Bad lot of barbed wire must have been sent to the military prison in Afghanistan. No one's fault, really.

215 UberInfidel67  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 10:19:30am

Offer to repatriate them. If their home countries say "no" leave them where they are. Remember too, some of them DON'T want to leave. Some want to stay for the education they are receiving. And force these moonbat countries to take them in. They were the ones bitching that we had Gitmo in the first place. C'mon moonbatistans....be proactive. Save a Gitmo terrorist. Your friends and neighbors will respect you for it.

216 Pietr  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 10:19:34am

re: #186 Marvo76

Hey wait, I just had a brain fart, why not release them OVER THE FENCE in Cuba proper? that would show them both some of America's sense of justice.../////

You do realize the cubans have about a 1/4 mile minefield there, right.....Just Sayin'......

217 [deleted]  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 10:19:39am
218 Dustyvet  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 10:19:40am

re: #185 jcm

I hear it's got a rabbit and cat problem, they can keep them away.

Not going to say it...no, no, no...no to cats and the P word...:) I'd be accused of torture.

219 Leah  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 10:19:51am

It's a black day for freedom...

no that's not what they were saying in DC yesterday, it's what they are saying in the Netherlands after a Dutch court ruled Geert Wilders would be prosecuted for inciting hatred over Fitna and his political views...

Geert Wilders to be prosecuted for Fitna

220 Marvo76  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 10:20:00am

re: #206 Killgore Trout

Despite the claims I've never seen anyone put on trial for being Christian. Europe is still about 80% Christian (I'm just guessing here) and nobody has been put on trial for it.

I would say that 80% is closer to about 40% myself,at least in the block that wasn't part of the soviet sphere of influence

221 OldLineTexan  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 10:20:07am

re: #216 Pietr

You do realize the cubans have about a 1/4 mile minefield there, right.....Just Sayin'......

Birds gotta eat, same as the sharks.

222 [deleted]  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 10:20:24am
223 unreconstructed rebel  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 10:20:31am

re: #216 Pietr

You do realize the cubans have about a 1/4 mile minefield there, right.....Just Sayin'......

All the more reason to hole the fence.

/problem solved.

224 Dustyvet  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 10:20:55am

re: #221 OldLineTexan

Birds gotta eat, same as the sharks.

Gitmo to install seaside swim up window...

225 doppelganglander  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 10:20:57am

The Democrats ought to start a foster care program for the ex-inmates. All the folks clamoring for their release can adopt a jihadi. Surely all those limousine liberals have a spare bedroom that faces Mecca. Of course they have to pass a home visit to ensure they can provide 4,000 to 5,000 calories a day in halal meals and don't own a dog.

226 OldLineTexan  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 10:21:28am

I hear the Chinese are looking for a few good men organs...

227 Lincolntf  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 10:21:36am

Oh God, a pay freeze for senior staff? Does he think that we don't know that every one of his lackeys is going to make millions from "speaking engagements" and ghost-written books?

228 notutopia  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 10:21:43am

re: #211 Ojoe

Machiavelli has this to say:

Upon this a question arises: whether it be better to be loved than feared or feared than loved? It may be answered that one should wish to be both, but, because it is difficult to unite them in one person, is much safer to be feared than loved, when, of the two, either must be dispensed with. Because this is to be asserted in general of men, that they are ungrateful, fickle, false, cowardly, covetous, and as long as you succeed they are yours entirely; they will offer you their blood, property, life and children, as is said above, when the need is far distant; but when it approaches they turn against you. And that prince who, relying entirely on their promises, has neglected other precautions, is ruined; because friendships that are obtained by payments, and not by greatness or nobility of mind, may indeed be earned, but they are not secured, and in time of need cannot be relied upon; and men have less scruple in offending one who is beloved than one who is feared, for love is preserved by the link of obligation which, owing to the baseness of men, is broken at every opportunity for their advantage; but fear preserves you by a dread of punishment which never fails.

Obama, Pelosi and Reid don't even know who Machiavelli was.

229 Marvo76  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 10:21:45am

re: #216 Pietr

You do realize the cubans have about a 1/4 mile minefield there, right.....Just Sayin'......

Well then we can get some target practice ala Mel brooks in "history of the world part 1": PULL!

230 Ojoe  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 10:22:00am

And furthermore:

"Returning to the question of being feared or loved, I come to the conclusion that, men loving according to their own will and fearing according to that of the prince, a wise prince should establish himself on that which is in his own control and not in that of others; he must endeavour only to avoid hatred, as is noted."

— Niccolo Machiavelli

231 Sharmuta  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 10:22:06am

re: #193 Occasional Reader

It's Bush's fault. He didn't connect the dots. He angered the world. He squandered goodwill. (etc. etc. etc.)

I disagree. The msm will do that, but I really don't think the public will swallow it.

Remember- Biden promised us a crisis, and that we might not "get" 0bama's response and would need to support 44 anyways. For once, Ol' Joe might be right but I'm not so sure the support will be there.

232 [deleted]  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 10:22:07am
233 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 10:22:07am

re: #213 Optimizer

I'm sure the current detainees, having had plenty of time to do a cost-benefit analysis, will quietly blend into our society (after illegally entering the US), claim the designation "former terrorist", and pursue a career as a "respected educator". /sarc

Meanwhile, whoever's still alive in the caves of Afghanistan and Pakistan are making jokes about looking forward to being read their Miranda rights, and being provided a lawyer at their enemy's expense, if they are ever caught.

We'd better start giving the police the Miranda rights to read in Pashtun and Arabic. Or they'll complain they couldn't understand the rights they were read.

234 vxbush  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 10:22:15am

Of course, tell me everyone else noticed this:

The new Obama administration circulated a draft executive order

It's not even an official executive order waiting to be signed; it's just a draft. But here's what I don't get: how much work and how much review does an executive order need to be signed?

I get the feeling that everything in Obama's administration is going to take twice as long to do because he's going to ask everyone their opinion before he comes out with his own vacillating position.

235 realwest  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 10:22:28am

re: #196 littleoldlady
I'm doing ok - are you back in Philly now? Enjoying the weather there?!
(NB - it was 16 in Charlotte this morning!).

236 Peacekeeper  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 10:22:33am

Spoken at lunch by one of my co workers.

I guess his middle name is Hassan. I didn't know he had a middle name. That's unusual.


Gah.

237 UberInfidel67  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 10:22:43am

Also, the Danes are gonna prosecute Geert Wilders for his "Fitna" film. The shit has officially hit the fan people.

238 Ojoe  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 10:22:56am

re: #228 notutopia

Apparently they don't.

BBL

239 Kragar  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 10:22:57am

re: #223 unreconstructed rebel

All the more reason to hole the fence.

/problem solved.

In perfect dead pan mode:

"Oh no. The prisoners are escaping into the mine field. We had better stop them."

/leisurely stroll to the alarm and a saunter over to the breach.

"Oh darn. We were too late to save them."

240 doppelganglander  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 10:22:59am

re: #211 Ojoe

"Many ask, is it better for America to be feared or loved. And I say, why can't it be both?"

---Tony Stark, "Iron Man"

241 MandyManners  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 10:23:33am

re: #189 realwest

Uh, avanti is on a self-imposed sabbatical from LGF - from last night's thread just before the Dead Thread.
Seems he got tired of folks, ya know, quoting facts to him, giving him links to support such facts and the like.
I believe his parting shot was to the effect that he was taking a sabbatical from LGF because it's so hard to get Right Wingers to reach across the Aisle.

Bloody stupid moonbat is choosing to remain ignorant.

242 redc1c4  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 10:23:42am

re: #183 Sharmuta

For once in his life, he's actually accountable for something. No colleagues to hide behind, no "present" button. And if there is an attack (God forbid), no amount of spin from the msm will keep him from being held accountable after this.

with any luck, the reality and enormity of the j*b is causing him to shit himself at least once a day.....

and i'll bet you he's a chain smoker by now.

243 rawmuse  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 10:23:42am

re: #228 notutopia

Obama, Pelosi and Reid don't even know who Machiavelli was.

They think he is a fashion designer.

244 Optimizer  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 10:24:05am

I'm sure the surviving family members of the future victims of the ones who will be released will take great comfort in the notion that this has somehow uplifted the nation's "moral" standing in the eyes of other countries (whose own moral standing is suspect, BTW).

/sarc

245 Lincolntf  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 10:24:22am

Now he's talking about "making things known". Where the hell was that when he was hiding all of his dealings with crooks and psychos like Rezko and Ayers?

246 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 10:24:25am

re: #232 buzzsawmonkey

The Obamas have a dog-free household, and lots of extra rooms.

Does make you wonder why they still haven't gotten the promised dog.

247 littleoldlady  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 10:24:27am

re: #216 Pietr

You do realize the cubans have about a 1/4 mile minefield there, right.....Just Sayin'......

OOOPSIE!

;-)

248 maddogg  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 10:24:50am

Those sons of bitches should have been executed on the battlefield.

249 realwest  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 10:25:00am

re: #209 aboo-Hoo-Hoo
OK, let the effin' UN come to TEXAS and try to arrest President Bush.
Please.

250 Pyrocles  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 10:25:01am

ROFLMAO... Typical.

re: #236 Peacekeeper

Spoken at lunch by one of my co workers.

I guess his middle name is Hassan. I didn't know he had a middle name. That's unusual.

Gah.

251 Dustyvet  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 10:25:03am

re: #242 redc1c4

with any luck, the reality and enormity of the j*b is causing him to shit himself at least once a day.....

and i'll bet you he's a chain smoker by now.

I wonder if the CIC has PX Privileges? Cheap ciggies...

252 Ojoe  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 10:25:17am

re: #248 maddogg

too late

253 sattv4u2  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 10:25:24am

re: #246 FurryOldGuyJeans

Does make you wonder why they still haven't gotten the promised dog.

polls aren't conclusive which breed is the most PC. Obama has his 300 animal policy advisors working on it though!

254 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 10:25:28am

re: #220 Marvo76
Poland

Roman Catholic 89.8% (about 75% practicing), Eastern Orthodox 1.3%, Protestant 0.3%, other 0.3%, unspecified 8.3% (2002)


Netherlands
is a little closer to your estimate....

Roman Catholic 30%, Dutch Reformed 11%, Calvinist 6%, other Protestant 3%, Muslim 5.8%, other 2.2%, none 42%

UK

Christian (Anglican, Roman Catholic, Presbyterian, Methodist) 71.6%, Muslim 2.7%, Hindu 1%, other 1.6%, unspecified or none 23.1% (2001 census)

255 Optimizer  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 10:25:31am

re: #233 Kosh's Shadow

We'd better start giving the police the Miranda rights to read in Pashtun and Arabic. Or they'll complain they couldn't understand the rights they were read.

Now there's some good practical advice! A forward-thinking guy like you should be working for the administration! ;-)

/sorry, didn't mean to get nasty...

256 doppelganglander  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 10:25:37am

re: #246 FurryOldGuyJeans

Does make you wonder why they still haven't gotten the promised dog.

They're still getting to know the White House staff and deciding which one of them will do all the actual work associated with owning a dog.

257 Outrider  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 10:26:02am

re: #251 Dustyvet

I wonder if the CIC has PX Privileges? Cheap ciggies...

been awhile since you shopped for smokes in a PX huh? President Clinton changed all that.

258 Lincolntf  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 10:26:04am

He's stumbled over words and stammered like a nervous schoolgirl at least thrice so far. They don't make "gifted orators" like they used to.

259 vxbush  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 10:26:05am

re: #253 sattv4u2

polls aren't conclusive which breed is the most PC. Obama has his 300 animal policy advisors working on it though!

See, this is what I'm saying. He can't make up his mind even about a simple thing as a dog (simple only in comparison to running our country).

260 pink freud  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 10:26:06am

re: #246 FurryOldGuyJeans

Does make you wonder why they still haven't gotten the promised dog.

Does Valerie Jarrett count?

261 realwest  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 10:26:11am

re: #241 MandyManners
But of course; information is a Lefty's worst nightmare!

262 [deleted]  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 10:26:12am
263 Ringo the Gringo  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 10:26:15am
Obama Prepares to Close Gitmo


This cartoon seems appropriate.

264 LGoPs  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 10:26:36am

Hey, maybe after they get released they can find jobs as spell checkers for the anti-American and anti-Israeli rent-a-mobs:

Achmed: "You spelled that wrong. It's T-E-R-R-O-R-I-S-T......not T-E-R-R-O-I-S-T.....vere you go to school you dumbhead"

Protester (sheepishly): "Berkeley......"

265 MJ  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 10:26:37am

re: #226 OldLineTexan

I hear the Chinese are looking for a few good men organs...

Actually, I think you're on to something. Since the Saudis are well-known consumers of purchased body parts ( as long as they're operated in American Hospitals ), and the Chinese are excellent at procuring those parts, perhaps the US can function as a sort of middle man. And, as an added bonus, any profit can be put into either paying back the national debt or, this being a Democratic Administration, used to subsidize the homeless..or the banks.

266 Dustyvet  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 10:26:41am

re: #253 sattv4u2

polls aren't conclusive which breed is the most PC. Obama has his 300 animal policy advisors working on it though!

He's in Public Housing now, no deposit, no pooch...

267 Maximu§  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 10:27:10am

that calls for closing the controversial detention center at Guantanamo Bay within a year and.....


Easier said than done Oh Great Dali-Bama.

268 notutopia  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 10:27:15am

re: #243 rawmuse
Obama, Pelosi and Reid don't even know who Machiavelli was.

They think he is a fashion designer.


a new flavour for a Starbucks latte.

269 nyc redneck  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 10:27:18am

re: #246 FurryOldGuyJeans

Does make you wonder why they still haven't gotten the promised dog.

they will keep that publicity stunt going as long as they can.
it is a handy topic for deflecting uncomfortable topics at press conferences.

270 [deleted]  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 10:27:21am
271 littleoldlady  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 10:27:34am

re: #235 realwest

I'm doing ok - are you back in Philly now? Enjoying the weather there?!
(NB - it was 16 in Charlotte this morning!).

NO! I shoulda stayed in Florida! :-(

272 Lincolntf  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 10:27:48am

re: #264 LGoPs

If he releases the terrorists from Gitmo, the celebrations around the world will be sickening.

273 CommonCents  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 10:27:54am

re: #246 FurryOldGuyJeans

Does make you wonder why they still haven't gotten the promised dog.

That would require a decision. You know like taking an official stance on one side or the other. That's un-senatorian. He better get off that fence pretty quick.

274 yesandno  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 10:28:08am

The "they will kill us last" approach.

Keep the change...

275 realwest  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 10:28:10am

re: #261 realwest
PIMF: Knowledge is a Lefty's worst nightmare. Plus he continued to move the goal posts until he found himself outside the stadium!

276 faraway  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 10:28:16am

Obama: I will be ushering in a new era of openness and transparency.
Obama: I will be taking no questions.

277 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 10:28:17am

re: #243 rawmuse

They think he is a fashion designer.

Wasn't there some cheap ass perfume put out by Prince Machevelli al while back? Oh yeaaaaa...."I can't seem to forget you, your Windsong stays on my mind...."

278 Lizard by the Bay  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 10:28:27am
Obama advisers are on the news channels today telling us this is going to restore America’s moral standing in the world.

There are few things more destructive than a personality which constantly seeks out the approval of others. I can see why Obambi's abandonment issues make him this way, but do we all have to suffer because Dddy was Johnny Appleseed and Mommy was just too busy to actually, you know, be Mommy?

The next four years are going to look and feel like a never-ending Dr. Phil episode (with Oprah making frequent guest appearances).

279 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 10:28:30am

re: #269 nyc redneck

they will keep that publicity stunt going as long as they can.
it is a handy topic for deflecting uncomfortable topics at press conferences.

Yeah, it took firing missiles to distract the attention of the media with Clinton.

280 UberInfidel67  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 10:28:30am

I have a task tougher than closing Gitmo. I have to get three kitties in their carriers to go to the vet. I wonder if President WingDings can help me with that?

281 sattv4u2  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 10:28:31am

re: #256 doppelganglander

They're still getting to know the White House staff and deciding which one of them will do all the actual work associated with owning a dog.


If he asks Hillary for advice, it will end up being a Marine

282 eschew_obfuscation  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 10:28:45am

re: #234 vxbush

Of course, tell me everyone else noticed this:

It's not even an official executive order waiting to be signed; it's just a draft. But here's what I don't get: how much work and how much review does an executive order need to be signed?

I get the feeling that everything in Obama's administration is going to take twice as long to do because he's going to ask everyone their opinion before he comes out with his own vacillating position.

I'm sure you're right on that. I've been saying that for a while now (not here so much). He has no clue what to do, so he's going to take some form of poll on every decision so he doesn't have to lead.

That's one reason I don't think he'll ever do anything substantive on Israel.... there's not likely to be a consensus.

283 Outrider  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 10:28:52am

re: #264 LGoPs

Hey, maybe after they get released they can find jobs as spell checkers for the anti-American and anti-Israeli rent-a-mobs:

Achmed: "You spelled that wrong. It's T-E-R-R-O-R-I-S-T......not T-E-R-R-O-I-S-T.....vere you go to school you dumbhead"

Protester (sheepishly): "Berkeley......"

Or maybe they can do some editing for the AP as shown in the last line of the story.


(This version CORRECTS corrects number of detainees to 245.)
284 realwest  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 10:29:07am

re: #271 littleoldlady
{littleoldlady} I'm SO SORRY to hear you didn't stay down there!
Well, bundle up then and stay warm!

285 sattv4u2  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 10:29:10am

re: #266 Dustyvet

He's in Public Housing now, no deposit, no pooch...

OUCH!

286 Lincolntf  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 10:29:34am

obama and Biden both look like deer in the headlights, but Biden still managed to gently mock Justice Roberts.

287 Dustyvet  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 10:29:50am

re: #285 sattv4u2

OUCH!

Do I get a ding up...:)

288 tfc3rid  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 10:30:10am

re: #272 Lincolntf

If he releases the terrorists from Gitmo, the celebrations around the world will be sickening.

I agree... I can see it...

289 formercorpsman  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 10:30:23am

I'm sure Switzerland sees this as resuming Clinton's rendition program.

290 pie22  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 10:30:24am

Hi Lizards,
Anyone else concerned this is the perfect oppurtunity to finally bow to the left and join the World Court? Why is Switzerland taking them when no one else will? Obama will join on the ruse of prosecuting terrorists while finally ensuring our military crimes also do not go unpunished by "angry world citizens". Im scared.

291 Maximu§  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 10:30:26am

Perhaps the Great One (may Peace be upon him with a side of pickles) should ask Israel what Muslim terrorists go back to doing when they are released.

292 sattv4u2  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 10:30:58am

re: #287 Dustyvet

Do I get a ding up...:)

Yes ,, but 287 gets a ding down for groveling!

293 debutaunt  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 10:31:08am

re: #133 Sharmuta

Well- that can't be LBJ or clinton's moral standings then, because of Vietnam and the Balkans, so it must be carter's.

Oh jeez.

294 Dustyvet  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 10:31:33am

re: #289 formercorpsman

I'm sure Switzerland sees this as resuming Clinton's rendition program.

Isn't that where Hamas keeps all that aid money in number accounts for their leaders?

295 [deleted]  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 10:31:38am
296 formercorpsman  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 10:31:57am

re: #294 Dustyvet

That I don't know, but it seems fitting.

297 Outrider  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 10:32:11am

re: #291 Maximu§

Perhaps the Great One (may Peace be upon him with a side of pickles) should ask Israel what Muslim terrorists go back to doing when they are released.

experience alone shows that. 61 of our Gitmo released prisoners are already back to the terrorist racket.

298 x-wing  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 10:32:57am

re: #271 littleoldlady

NO! I shoulda stayed in Florida! :-(

Hi, {LoL}

Cheer up,it's supposed to hit a seering 45 on Friday ;>}

Only to drop below freezing (again) Saturday ;- (

/always has to be a downside.

299 Kragar  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 10:33:14am

re: #262 ploome hineni

Israel needs to be pushed into a corner

let's see who the friends really are

if G-d wants us.....HINENI

otherwise G-d is on our side.......LOOK TO ISRAEL AND SEE

/and fkNobama

Dont forget though, Israel did get their boats from France

On January 4, 1969, a week after de Gaulle made news with his announcement of the complete embargo on weapons bound for Israel, small crews made their way onto the boats. The Israeli crews spent three hours getting them ready. When all was set, they “raised the Israeli flag and set off. No one challenged them. They simply sailed into the English Channel and never returned.”

The French Minister of Defense demanded to know what had become of the ships. Mordecai Limon responded: “They were given orders to sail to Haifa. They belong to us.” Prime Minister de Gaulle was furious. So were others in the French Cabinet. But they got little help from the locals in the French coastal town of Cherbourg. “In Cherbourg, naval authorities and customs men simply shrugged their shoulders. By an extraordinary coincidence, no one seemed to have read a newspaper, watched television or listened to a radio during the preceding days. Said one of the local people: ‘We did not know anything of the embargo.’” Israel was lucky to have made some firm friends among the local population.

Officials in Cherbourg “claimed that they first heard of the embargo in a letter of instructions received from Paris on (January) 6th - 2 days after the boats had left. They produced documents and a statement from the post office supporting their claims.” They said something must have been wrong with the postal service.

300 redc1c4  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 10:33:43am

re: #225 doppelganglander

The Democrats ought to start a foster care program for the ex-inmates. All the folks clamoring for their release can adopt a jihadi. Surely all those limousine liberals have a spare bedroom that faces Mecca. Of course they have to pass a home visit to ensure they can provide 4,000 to 5,000 calories a day in halal meals and don't own a dog.

like this?

but in searching for a link, i found these moonbats.....

301 midwestgak  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 10:33:55am

OT Sorry if this has been mentioned. Obama is or has frozen all pay raises for White House employees.

302 ROPMA  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 10:34:00am

Do we have a base in the Aleutian Islands ?

303 jcm  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 10:34:01am

re: #262 ploome hineni

Israel needs to be pushed into a corner

let's see who the friends really are

if G-d wants us.....HINENI

otherwise G-d is on our side.......LOOK TO ISRAEL AND SEE

/and fkNobama

Israel still got the boats....
The Cherbourg Boats

304 VioletTiger  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 10:34:26am

re: #258 Lincolntf

He's stumbled over words and stammered like a nervous schoolgirl at least thrice so far. They don't make "gifted orators" like they used to.

Teleprompter problems?
/

305 jcm  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 10:34:35am

re: #299 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

GMTA....

306 Dustyvet  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 10:34:37am

re: #287 Dustyvet

Do I get a ding up...:)

Thanks I'll wear that one like a badge of honor.

307 Lizard by the Bay  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 10:34:39am

re: #302 ROPMA

Do we have a base in the Aleutian Islands ?

There's a Coast Guard base on Attu Island, I believe.

308 Maximu§  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 10:34:49am

I agree with Obama's team.....release all the Gitmo Prisoners!

Into a pit of 15-20 foot African crocodiles.

309 littleoldlady  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 10:35:04am

re: #298 x-wing

x-wing! :-)

Mother Nature is SUCH a tease!

/oh well, maybe the schmutz will melt at least...

310 redc1c4  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 10:35:16am

re: #232 buzzsawmonkey

The Obamas have a dog-free household, and lots of extra rooms.

he got rid of WAB already?

/white smoke

311 vxbush  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 10:35:54am

re: #282 eschew_obfuscation

I'm sure you're right on that. I've been saying that for a while now (not here so much). He has no clue what to do, so he's going to take some form of poll on every decision so he doesn't have to lead.

That's one reason I don't think he'll ever do anything substantive on Israel.... there's not likely to be a consensus.

I fear the consensus will come too quickly--everyone in the administration will probably be quite willing to sacrifice Israel on the altar of peace.

312 littleoldlady  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 10:36:27am

re: #310 redc1c4

BAD boy!

;-)

313 Silhouette  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 10:36:40am

re: #301 midwestgak

OT Sorry if this has been mentioned. Obama is or has frozen all pay raises for White House employees.

Hey! Something I can like the O over.

314 Silhouette  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 10:38:11am

re: #232 buzzsawmonkey

The Obamas have a dog-free household, and lots of extra rooms.

“Any man who does not like dogs and want them about does not deserve to be in the White House.” - Calvin Coolidge

315 Pietr  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 10:38:33am

re: #249 realwest

OK, let the effin' UN come to TEXAS and try to arrest President Bush.
Please.

re: #251 Dustyvet

I wonder if the CIC has PX Privileges? Cheap ciggies...

RW,Heh, heh...Crawfords a bit of a drive, so maybe we can invite a "Class Act President" to the Alamo, where at least 3/4's of the state of Texas will be happy to defend him. Did I mention, there's a lot of military bases in Texas, and texans work on them and serve on them....we might have more firepower than expected......LOL.


Dusty-not anymore. Smokers pay same on base as off base-commissary and PX/BX/Ships Store are making a mint-while giving crap service and prices. I don't use either much, anymore.....:>(

316 kawfytawk  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 10:39:57am

re: #301 midwestgak

OT Sorry if this has been mentioned. Obama is or has frozen all pay raises for White House employees.

But the black, brown, yellow and red can continue to get their raises.

317 [deleted]  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 10:40:31am
318 [deleted]  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 10:41:41am
319 Dustyvet  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 10:42:01am

re: #315 Pietr

RW,Heh, heh...Crawfords a bit of a drive, so maybe we can invite a "Class Act President" to the Alamo, where at least 3/4's of the state of Texas will be happy to defend him. Did I mention, there's a lot of military bases in Texas, and texans work on them and serve on them....we might have more firepower than expected......LOL.

Dusty-not anymore. Smokers pay same on base as off base-commissary and PX/BX/Ships Store are making a mint-while giving crap service and prices. I don't use either much, anymore.....:>(

Gee, when I entered the Army in 1967, single packs where like $.025-0.35 a pack.

320 eon  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 10:43:39am

re: #248 maddogg

Those sons of bitches should have been executed on the battlefield.

In his most recent novel, The Last Centurion, John Ringo pointed out that under the Hague Convention, when a war is underway, all combatants in a war zone are required to wear "a uniform or other recognizable symbol of allegiance to a combatant state." Meaning, they have to openly declare who they're fighting for. There is a three-day "grace period" in which "nonuniformed combatants" (guerrillas, etc.) may either (a) assume uniforms or some other sign of allegiance or (b) lay down their weapons and cease engaging in hostile action. After which, if caught engaged in such, they can legally be treated in the same way the Convention permits spies and saboteurs caught on a combatant nation's home soil in time of war are; that is, they can be shot, on sight, without trial or anything else.

Jihadists do not wear uniforms, admit to no national allegiance, and refuse to abide by the Hague Conventions. (Which specifically prohibit hiding behind noncombatants, taking hostages, attacking civilian populations, etc.) In fact, "terrorism", as we understand the term today, is itself a violation of the Hague rules for the conduct of war. And to get technical, when bin Laden, et al., declared that a "state of war" existed between them and the United States, they were from that point legally bound by the provisions of the Convention.

Ringo's point was that since 2001, we have been accepting surrenders from the jihadists that we were not legally required to accept. While in keeping with U.S. military SOP regarding foreign soldiers taken in combat, the jihadists, by their own definition, do not fit that definition. And their conduct, on and off the battlefield, routinely violates the rules of war, which in itself should remove them from any protection under the Hague Conventions and/or Geneva Accords.

/Simply noted in the interests of clarity.

cheers

eon

321 redmonkey  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 10:43:45am

Close Gitmo? OK, let all prisoners go and moved them to Los Angeles, SF or Boston.

322 mjwsatx  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 10:44:32am

Don't suppose that President BHO has spoken to this guy:

Closing GITMO would be a mistake
By Jeffrey Addicott - Special to the Express-News

The War on Terror demands moral as well as strategic clarity. It does not merely require military force against the “Taliban, al-Qaida or associated forces” identified by the 2006 Military Commissions Act as enemy combatants. It is also a public relations battle against the unrelenting waves of duplicitous propaganda lodged against almost every aspect of America’s war effort, from attacks on our military commissions process to our lawful detention of enemy combatants at Guantanamo Bay Naval Base (GITMO).

If soon-to-be President Obama closes down GITMO, as he may do via executive order as early as his first week in office, he will be providing a significant propaganda victory to our enemies. Even if Obama is attempting to derail the constant maligning of our detention operations in Guantanamo Bay, he is wrong in the assumption that closing down the facility will result in a public relations victory.

Closing down GITMO would create a public relations disaster that will expend far beyond the logistical problems of what to do with the 80 or so detainees slated for trial by military commissions, the 50 or so detainees that the U.S. wants to release but can find no nation in the world to take them, and the remaining 110 or so detainees deemed to pose a continuing terror threat to America or its allies.

read the rest here:

[Link: www.mysanantonio.com...]

323 IslandLibertarian  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 10:44:37am

re: #248 maddogg

Those sons of bitches should have been executed on the battlefield.

.....after being debriefed of information, of course?
No, they are Prisoners of War.
The war isn't over.
They should remain in a POW camp and be debriefed.

324 Dr. Shalit  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 10:48:31am

re: #145 Ben Hur

GAZA!

Ben Hur -

Might work, at least they might have to get a Real Job - DIGGING TUNNELS!

-S-

325 JCW  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 10:50:13am

Obama policy sounds like a sick game of tag. The terrorists kill our soldiers. Our troops capture them, then the terrorists get released.

Is he attempting to implicitly change the rules of engagement to take no prisoners? If so, he should be explicit.

326 Marvo76  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 10:50:27am

re: #280 UberInfidel67

I have a task tougher than closing Gitmo. I have to get three kitties in their carriers to go to the vet. I wonder if President WingDings can help me with that?

The hard part is over, you got them in the carrier!

327 aboo-Hoo-Hoo  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 10:52:07am

re: #249 realwest

Bush is safe here, the big question is how Obummer and his gang of askholes in Congress respond to this crap.

328 KibbyKat  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 10:53:38am

re: #92 Ben Hur

Indeed. Turn them over to the IDF. Heck, make it a pay-per-view event and send the royalties to the families of fallen soldiers.

/organizes snacks in anticipation

329 marge45b  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 10:53:55am

re: #280 UberInfidel67

That reminds me I have a dog to get fixed on Friday. Will Pres. Obama health care plan help with pet sterilizations?

330 Marvo76  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 10:54:32am

re: #302 ROPMA

Do we have a base in the Aleutian Islands ?

Yes, Adak

331 so.cal.swede  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 10:59:48am

Can Charles add a sidebar containing a list of 'people' released from Gitmo that came back and then committed acts of terrorism?

332 Viking6  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 10:59:53am

how about releasing them for public service, like working to remove mines from the killing fields of Cambodia or Vietnam.

/

333 Lizard by the Bay  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 11:00:11am

re: #330 Marvo76

Yes, Adak

Adak base was closed in 1997.

334 Marvo76  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 11:08:45am

re: #333 Lizard by the Bay

NO $hit? I didn't hear about that, thanks for the info, I had a friend stationed there at one time...

335 devil in baggy pants  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 11:08:58am

Just because it deserves to be read again:

re: #119 lawhawk

Released where? Many of the countries that these detainees are citizens of do not want them back. China doesn't want to take in the Uighurs. Others don't want their terrorists back either. For all the talk about how Gitmo is a human rights blight on the US, consider that the detainees are treated far more humanely there than any of those terrorists deserve. Many have ended up back in the jihad.

These aren't innocents that the US captured willy nilly. They were captured on battlefields where they were trying to kill Americans. They were captured because they were self-professed al Qaeda who sought to kill Americans.

But look and see how President Obama is now violating these terrorists rights by delaying their day in court. Obama is now calling for a 120 day delay so that he can review matters further. Had Bush done this, the ACLU and the media would be going crazy about how Bush is violating human rights, the US Constitution, and international law with such a directive. Here? Not so much.

336 Kragar  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 11:10:19am

re: #331 so.cal.swede

Can Charles add a sidebar containing a list of 'people' released from Gitmo that came back and then committed acts of terrorism?

Any jihadi dumb enough to get caught twice, once identified, should simply be dragged to the side, his repeat offender status explained to his comrades and shot in full view of the rest of any prisoners taken.

337 Lizard by the Bay  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 11:10:28am

re: #334 Marvo76

NO $hit? I didn't hear about that, thanks for the info, I had a friend stationed there at one time...

There are still some military personnel there assisting with the clean-up, but the base has been operating as a civilian commercial airport for some time now.

338 WriterMom  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 11:12:20am

Glad to know what Obama's priorities are.

[THUNK]

339 redmonkey  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 11:12:52am

re: #331 so.cal.swede

Can Charles add a sidebar containing a list of 'people' released from Gitmo that came back and then committed acts of terrorism?


I red, wikipedia has page about former Gitmo prisoners.

What I know, 7 prisoners from Russia were released and sent back to Russia.5 are back in Russian jail(terrorist related charged). One was killed during anti-terrorist operation(He killed several special forces police officers during this operation). Before, He participated in several terrorist acts and killed number of people.

340 HolmWrecker  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 11:13:27am

A certain quote keeps recurring in my mind;
Screwed ,Blued and Tatoo'd.

This would be a good time to buy some more guns and hand weapons, used, of course, to avoid Hussein's coming weapon controls, and some supplies and ammo.
I do believe he wants to remove our weapons....fat chance getting mine from me. Live Free or Die is the ONLY way I'll behave.

'My cold dead fingers' is the next quote that comes to my ind.

341 mattm  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 11:16:18am
Closing the facility in Cuba “would further the national security and foreign policy interests of the United States and the interests of justice,” read the draft prepared for the new president’s signature.

What a F***ing Moron! What about the justice of the 3K Americans killed on 9/11? What about the Justice for others killed by Islamic terrorists? What does national security mean to this guy? Allow more Americans to be killed by these terrorists?

342 Amer-I-Can  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 11:26:47am

WOW! PBO didn't waist any time in pressing this agenda forward, did he? I'll be real interested to see what he plans to do with the detainees. It should tell him something that their own home countries don't want them back... maybe we should just put them in a tent city on the Whitehouse lawn, then he can make sure that they behave.

Sorry gang, I have a feeling this ride isn't going to be good..... hopefully conservatives can get their collective shit together and take the WH back in four.

343 Pietr  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 11:32:01am

re: #322 mjwsatx


Good post, from one San Antonian to another.......Cheers

re: #323 IslandLibertarian

.....after being debriefed of information, of course?
No, they are Prisoners of War.
The war isn't over.
They should remain in a POW camp and be debriefed.


Not POW's-they have no such rights! See this post:
re: #320 eon

344 Daisy  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 11:33:19am

I just hate it when we have a President who despises himself, and by extension, holds my country in contempt.

Damed people pleaser.

345 Daisy  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 11:35:09am

re: #342 Amer-I-Can

Or maybe Obama can sell the Gitmo criminals overnights in the Lincoln bedroom ..

346 razorbacker  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 11:39:08am

Obama Is President, So You Know What That Means…

…somewhere in Kenya, a village is missing its idiot!

347 Daisy  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 11:39:17am

What a crappy Commander in Chief Obama makes.

348 debutaunt  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 11:40:42am

re: #301 midwestgak

OT Sorry if this has been mentioned. Obama is or has frozen all pay raises for White House employees.

Will Michelle still make the big bucks?

349 Lazarus  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 11:44:16am

"Begging hands and bleeding hearts
will only cry out for more."

"Anthem" - Rush

350 CanadianBush  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 11:45:51am

Well, perhaps he should try a more humane approach, and these captives will still have to be kept somewhere after all. Let's rename it 'Obamanuag', and locate it on some isolated island somewhere - Abuc, maybe?

351 HDrepub  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 11:49:26am

Obama's first move shows my fear of his being soft on terrorism coming to fruition. Damn Donks want to return to the methods of the Clinton Administration and these characters can tie up our courts for the next 15 years.
Kucincich, Conyers and Co. want to prosecute Bush, but Obama wants to close Gitmo. The insane are now running the asylum.

352 Boxy_brown  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 11:51:10am

I watched these monsters cohorts fly airplanes full of people into buildings full of people and walked through the debris field counting shoes with feet still in them.
Now these things are going to get the rights of an American citizen when they clearly don't even qualify to be treated as a POW. Pander to the sanctimonious europeans? Yes we can.
Obama is a malignant narcissist who is going to get Americans killed.

353 vagabond trader  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 11:54:46am

Next up, partial birth abortion. The radical left= culture of death. Goes rather well with the Islamists they so desperately want to please.

354 offendi  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 11:58:26am

Look it's just about stimulating the economy. Obama is going to have Tony Rezko build the Gitmo detainees some subsidized housing in Chicago. Rooting for the Bears and some deep-dish pizza will certainly cure them of their radical jihadist tendencies. Won't it?

355 vagabond trader  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 12:00:25pm

Sorry if this was posted, do we have an actual number of how many of these detainees were "tortured?"

356 quickjustice  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 12:00:41pm

Restore our moral standing in the world? How about destroying the Obama Administration's moral standing with the families of the victims of 9/11 and other Americans who wanted the murderers, their allies, and those giving them aid and comfort brought to justice?

The Obama Administration will have blood on its hands as a consequence of this.

357 capitalist piglet  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 12:00:44pm

re: #351 HDrepub

Kucincich, Conyers, and Co. want to prosecute Bush, but Obama wants to close Gitmo. The insane are now running the asylum.

A caller to Rush today said our country was "mentally ill". I can't disagree.

358 descolada9  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 12:01:14pm

"Welcome back, Mr. Carter."

359 HippieforLife  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 12:03:34pm

re: #301 midwestgak

Do you think he will direct congress to undo their recent pay raise?

Of course, I don't feel too bad that they have to stay at $100,000 a year. He says he did this in the interest of "transparency". Not sure what he means by that.

360 Ezekiel2517  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 12:04:42pm

What European countries have signed up to admit the released Gitmo detainees? In most cases their countries of origin don't want them, but I'm sure that France or Belgium would welcome them with open arms.

361 Abdullah al-Libi  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 12:05:04pm

Pardon my language, but this guy is the biggest f*cking douchebag I have ever seen.

HOPE! CHANGE!

362 A.W.  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 12:07:19pm

re: #360 Ezekiel2517

What European countries have signed up to admit the released Gitmo detainees? In most cases their countries of origin don't want them, but I'm sure that France or Belgium would welcome them with open arms.

Moreover, what American states have signed up to house these terrorists now while they are being held? if we capture bin Laden, where do we want to house him? how about we pick Ohio, so the next time around, Ohioans can know which party made them "safer."

363 HDrepub  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 12:07:52pm

re: #359 HippieforLife

Do you think he will direct congress to undo their recent pay raise?

Of course, I don't feel too bad that they have to stay at $100,000 a year. He says he did this in the interest of "transparency". Not sure what he means by that.

I wrote my donk Congressman the other day and gave him an extraordinary suggestion, that the new Congress replace Nancy Pelosi as Speaker of the House. I'm sure I'm on his nutbar list now. Haven't gotten an answer yet either and don't expect one.

364 Shanimal1918  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 12:12:03pm

< tinfoilhat > Gitmo is the reason we were attacked on 9/11. Closing Gitmo will solve all of our problems. After we close Gitmo, the jihadi's will spontaneously combust, thus ending the war on terror. And all French people will once again love us.

< / tinfoilhat >

rotflmao

365 HDrepub  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 12:13:19pm

re: #364 Shanimal1918

< tinfoilhat > Gitmo is the reason we were attacked on 9/11. Closing Gitmo will solve all of our problems. After we close Gitmo, the jihadi's will spontaneously combust, thus ending the war on terror. And all French people will once again love us.

< / tinfoilhat >

rotflmao

Yup, everybody knows the job of POTUS is to be popular with the EUnuchs in Europe.

366 WriterMom  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 12:13:54pm

re: #269 nyc redneck

LOL.

Mr. President, could you tell us about your plans for dialogue with Iran?

WELL UMMM YOU KNOW THAT'S A VERY IMPORTANT QUESTION-JUST LIKE CHOOSING MY FIRST DOGGIE!

367 WriterMom  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 12:14:18pm

re: #358 descolada9

OY!

368 Cap'n DOC  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 12:21:53pm
Obama advisers are on the news channels today telling us this is going to restore America’s moral standing in the world. Good luck with that.

I second the motion if it hasn't happened already.

369 winnd54  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 12:35:07pm

Is it too late for Bush to declare Martial law?

370 Ron Shaw  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 12:48:29pm

re: #356 quickjustice

Restore our moral standing in the world? How about destroying the Obama Administration's moral standing with the families of the victims of 9/11 and other Americans who wanted the murderers, their allies, and those giving them aid and comfort brought to justice?

The Obama Administration will have blood on its hands as a consequence of this.

Does he or others within his administration really care?

371 mcmeador  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 12:50:36pm

This aggravates me to no end, but we would have gotten the same thing from McCain. I'd honestly rather a Democrat do it and be responsible for the outcome.

372 jcbunga  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 1:13:30pm

I'll wager the inmates won't want to leave.

Can we pick the prison?

373 Eric Cartman's Conscience  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 1:17:36pm

The Left and the world wants it closed precisely because it will work. There has never been a desire for America to be top dog. The world resents us for it. The collective admiration of Obama is actually the world celebrating our election of a man that will lessen America's stature and put us on equal footing with the rest of the world. Obama is the means to the end of American hegemony.

374 neverquit  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 1:26:09pm

Send them to San Francisco, it's a safe haven city for immigrants anyway.

375 Brees  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 1:43:36pm

OK. Fine.

Release them all.........so they can all come back to Whakidurkhistan...............

...........and then our forces can kill all of them.

I am assuming that after all of the cruel torture at Git'mo..........we got whatever info we needed!

376 rexatosis  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:02:43pm

Great, lets close Gitmo and move a bunch of homicidal jihadist Al-Q's into the federal prison system so they can recruit new members like the Mexican Drug Cartels, Crips, Bloods, Latin Kings etc. Does Team Obama understand policy decisions have actual consequences? This is going to be a long four years.

377 Hanoch  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:08:26pm

It is telling that, with all that is going on in the world vying for the President's attention, Obama's first concern as he moves into office is to seek the well-being of a group of terrorists. I was (and am) willing to give Obama a fair shake, but this does not bode well.

378 wiffersnapper  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:09:03pm

*starts tally sheet of why not to vote obama in 2012*

1. Closed down Gitmo.

Here we go!

379 theheat  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 3:38:06pm

It's part of the new Adopt A Terrorist Program, where qualified applicants can offer homes to otherwise unwanted and undesirable terrorists.

Like pit bulls, Gitmo terrorists have been given a bad rap. With proper care and training they can be rehabilitated and lead productive lives. When raised properly, they are actually loving and sensitive creatures.

/sarc

380 KitchenQueen  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 3:50:32pm

re: #35 Occasional Reader

As has been amply pointed out by some commentators in recent days; Obama's wording on the subject of Gitmo is curiously slippery. He promises to IMMEDIATELY... begin looking at the problem... to think about how to maybe close Gitmo... in a year.

Could be, he's aware that this is a no-win solution, and is just buying time.

Voting "present."

381 NYCHardhat  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 3:53:18pm

useful idiot

382 kynna  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 4:04:15pm

I wonder if the family of the first person killed by one of these 'victims of injustice' can sue the Obama administration for letting the animal loose.

383 swamprat  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 5:37:28pm

My President is making the world safer for America's enemies.


While talking to a moonbat, he said he wanted us to adhere to the Genieva Convention regarding Iraqi prisoners. I looked at him in shock.
"Really?"
"Oh yes."
"Wow! That's pretty harsh. A lot of those guys would be put on trial and shot as spies!"

His expression was worth the time I wasted being in his presence.

384 Doda McCheesle  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 6:27:01am

And once the world is rid of the source of all evil (those zionist jooooos), the grass will grow back, the flowers will spring up, bin laden will hug and kiss The One, and unicorns will fly out of my ASS.

385 Ron Shaw  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:52:37am

re: #377 Hanoch

It is telling that, with all that is going on in the world vying for the President's attention, Obama's first concern as he moves into office is to seek the well-being of a group of terrorists. I was (and am) willing to give Obama a fair shake, but this does not bode well.


Yes, it is very telling! In BHO's mind's eye I suspect he sees himself as the ruler of the world rather than the duly elected leader of America. The present and future safety of Americans is evidently way down his list of priorities. Terrorists are far more important as his actions demonstrate...as he begins his rule as if he were the World's Defense counsel...of evil! I'd also say that this does not bode well...for Americans not at all...for terrorists it's no less than a dancing-in-the-streets moment of pure victory!...soon to be followed by bombs and death at home as well as American interests throughout the world, I fear. For the bad guys this is a huge victory which cannot be over-stated.

386 azul93gt  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 10:03:32am

I think that Obama Hussein expects the soon to be pardoned terrorists to join his volunteer corps to "build levees in the midwest." What a joke.

While I assume that this closing of Gitmo is a PR stunt and most of the terrorist being held still won't see the light of day for about 3 years or more (at least one hopes) it definitely sends out the message that the Euro-left want to hear, that America is in full retreat in the WOT.

387 Seax  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 2:07:16am

Perhaps MR O will rename Gitmo as
the " Flowering Unicorn Camp to Educate Dissidents".
The world will marvel as Gitmo gets changed to "F.U.C.E.D".
And hopefully we won't get that as well...


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