Obama Snubs Medal of Honor Ball

Another milestone for our new President: he’s the first President in 56 years to snub the American Legion’s “Salute to Heroes Inaugural Ball.”

The American Legion sponsors the ball, which recognizes recipients of Medal of Honor, the nation’s highest military award. It started in 1953 for President Dwight D. Eisenhower’s first inauguration.

Event co-sponsors include 13 other veterans service organizations, among them the Military Order of the Purple Heart and the Paralyzed Veterans of America.

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1056 comments
1 SasquatchOnSteroids  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 1:52:03pm

Shocka !

2 harrylook  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 1:52:11pm

Well, knock me over with a feather.

3 Waarthog  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 1:52:12pm

Imagine my lack of Surprise.

4 Marvo76  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 1:52:13pm

I already know he was a tool, now I KNOW he is a meat puppet....

5 faraway  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 1:52:16pm

One ball short

6 Ojoe  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 1:52:25pm

No good, no good.

7 DeafDog  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 1:52:30pm

He's a di#k

8 LGoPs  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 1:52:35pm

Why does that not surprise me..........
/

9 unreconstructed rebel  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 1:52:35pm

Just wait. Michelle will have them serving hors d'oeuvres at the White House.

10 capitalist piglet  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 1:52:52pm

He is already proving himself to be exactly who we discovered he was during the campaign.

God help us all.

11 bellamags  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 1:52:55pm

thats a surprise.

12 Marvo76  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 1:53:13pm

re: #9 unreconstructed rebel

Just wait. Michelle will have them serving hors d'oeuvres at the White House.

Probably just like Hillary, sans uniform...in her august presence...

13 faraway  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 1:53:34pm

"he is who we thought he was"

14 Da Coyote  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 1:53:50pm

Can't blame him. I'd feel very small in a room full of my superiors. He doesn't qualify to be a dustball in that room with heroes.

15 [deleted]  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 1:53:55pm
16 Marvo76  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 1:53:58pm

re: #11 bellamags

You forgot your sarc tag....

17 Occasional Reader  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 1:54:05pm

It's okay, Obama thought about joining the military once, and thought about winning the Medal of Honor if he did.

18 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 1:54:08pm

Change I had hoped to never see.

19 faraway  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 1:54:15pm

No heroes for the zero.

20 redstateredneck  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 1:54:17pm

Oh, he sure the hell made an appearance at the balls where the celebs were.

21 Guanxi88  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 1:54:37pm

I am Jack's complete lack of surprise.

22 redstateredneck  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 1:54:59pm

re: #14 Da Coyote

Can't blame him. I'd feel very small in a room full of my superiors. He doesn't qualify to be a dustball in that room with heroes.

Had to ding ya' up.

23 Marvo76  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 1:55:07pm

re: #20 redstateredneck

Well, they DID put him there...Hope they get what they paid for....

24 bellamags  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 1:55:12pm

re: #16 Marvo76

You forgot your sarc tag....

i always forget it. usually with me - the sarc is understood - but i will try to remember next time ; )

25 SasquatchOnSteroids  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 1:55:22pm
_ Human Rights Campaign’s Equality Ball at the Renaissance Mayflower Hotel.

Yeah, THESE people are the ones he feels the need to hang with.

26 Ojoe  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 1:55:25pm

Congressional Medal of Honor Website

To see what Obama misses.

27 red satellite  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 1:55:34pm

Liberals being liberals. No surprise.

28 Pigtown Water Dog  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 1:55:47pm

Maybe he is totally unfamiliar with the concept "hero".
OMG.

29 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 1:55:54pm

Not a smart move.

30 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 1:55:58pm

re: #20 redstateredneck

Oh, he sure the hell made an appearance at the balls where the celebs were.

Of course, they were his supporters. I doubt the percentage of O voters among vets was even close to being that high.

31 MisterCookie  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 1:56:09pm

What's the strongest insult I can use against this Marxist asshat without getting banned? I guess asshat will do.

32 LGoPs  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 1:56:29pm

I really fucking hate the boomer generation (and I am one) and it's sense of entitlement marked by a total absence of any sense of gratitude and appreciation.....

33 Ojoe  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 1:56:33pm

Well the nation got through Buchannan.

34 whiterasta  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 1:56:46pm

The man reminds me so much of Michael Manley.

Talks up a good talk, but can't deliver.

35 jemima  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 1:57:06pm

America got what it voted for. I hope they enjoy it. (So many of us won't.)

36 unreconstructed rebel  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 1:57:10pm

re: #31 MisterCookie

What's the strongest insult I can use against this Marxist asshat without getting banned? I guess asshat will do.

We're all on a tight-rope. Tread carefully is all I can say.

37 Occasional Reader  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 1:57:17pm

re: #14 Da Coyote

Can't blame him. I'd feel very small in a room full of my superiors. He doesn't qualify to be a dustball in that room with heroes.

"'Honor'? But it's not about ME?! Does not compute."

38 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 1:57:32pm

Just like during the campaign, when he canceled the visit to the hospital because he couldn't bring in cameras and make it PR.
Now, he's elected, so he doesn't care.

I am getting more and more disgusted with this guy.

39 LGoPs  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 1:57:34pm

re: #28 Pigtown Water Dog

Maybe he is totally unfamiliar with the concept "hero".
OMG.

He should know it....it rhymes with Zero.......which is what he is.

40 formercorpsman  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 1:57:34pm

What do you seriously say about this?

How do you not at the very least, the very. very least, even if only for 5 minutes, go in & say thanks you to the people in attendence?

I am willing to cut some slack, I could care less who wears what, etc.

He is now at the top of the chain of command.

I can't fathom why he would do this, even for shallow political points.

41 MisterCookie  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 1:57:40pm

re: #33 Ojoe

Well the nation got through Buchannan.

...a nation which promptly went through a Civil War due to his mismanagement. While I think the country came out stronger because of it, its one of those unpleasant things that should be avoided.

42 pingjockey  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 1:57:47pm

re: #31 MisterCookie

Not fit to shine the medals on these heroes?

43 Shr_Nfr  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 1:57:55pm

Sends a nice message doesn't it Mr. Commander In Chief? I will not say anything much more, but don't expect more people to volunteer to serve if that is the way you treat them. How long is it going to take for people to wish Bush back. I give it 2 years.

44 Ben Hur  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 1:58:07pm

Because dissent is the highest form of patriotism and dissing the troops is the highest form of honoring the troops.

45 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 1:58:07pm

re: #33 Ojoe

Well the nation got through Buchannan.

We survived Carter, and we survived Clinton.

I don't really like extended 4 or 8 year survival training.

46 formercorpsman  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 1:58:34pm

re: #40 formercorpsman


How could I, not recognize, all of the typos in that post?

47 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 1:58:38pm

re: #43 Shr_Nfr

Sends a nice message doesn't it Mr. Commander In Chief? I will not say anything much more, but don't expect more people to volunteer to serve if that is the way you treat them. How long is it going to take for people to wish Bush back. I give it 2 years.

I wish for Bush back (and he was far from perfect) and it hasn't been 2 days!

48 Pigtown Water Dog  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 1:59:12pm

re: #43 Shr_Nfr

I'm thinking sooner--like yesterday, shortly after lunch...

49 pink freud  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 1:59:13pm

re: #10 capitalist piglet

He is already proving himself to be exactly who we discovered he was during the campaign.

God help us all.

Do I detect a note of surprise?

We had no reason to believe otherwise.

50 Occasional Reader  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 1:59:16pm

I note among that last of balls he did attend:

_ Impact Film Fund ball.

Do not taunt Impact Film Fund Ball.

51 faraway  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 1:59:22pm

First rule of top management: piss off the troops

52 pingjockey  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 1:59:58pm

re: #43 Shr_Nfr
Charley Rangel is gonna restart the draft! Won't have to worry about volunteers! BTW, Rangel is an idiot.

53 Ben Hur  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:00:03pm

Please email this to all your military buddies.

54 LGoPs  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:00:04pm

I know this is fantasy but I would love to see the entire United States miltary resign, en masse, and tell the American people to go and defend themselves...........
/

55 redstateredneck  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:00:11pm

Guess one military ball was enough for him.
Any more than that and they might get the idea that he actually supports them or something.

56 formercorpsman  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:00:29pm

I really can't fathom this. Beyond comprehension.

The Dems do cherish symbolism, why would they do this?

57 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:00:44pm

re: #49 pink freud

Do I detect a note of surprise?

We had no reason to believe otherwise.

But we had a few trolls and sockpuppets demanding we gave the O a chance. Well, he has had his chance, and so far he only been wasting any good will he might have earned outside the Obamagasm the FMSM generated.

58 Guanxi88  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:01:02pm

re: #50 Occasional Reader

I note among that last of balls he did attend:

Do not taunt Impact Film Fund Ball.

Really? I heard it was the Super Happy Fun Ball that was like that.

59 pink freud  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:01:30pm

re: #56 formercorpsman

I really can't fathom this. Beyond comprehension.

The Dems do cherish symbolism, why would they do this?

To symbolize their lack of support for the military.

60 iceman1960  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:01:35pm

He had to skip that one so he could get up early enough in the morn to free terrorists from Gitmo.

61 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:01:44pm

re: #33 Ojoe

Well the nation got through Buchannan.

Barely. He left Lincoln the pieces to try to hold together and put back together.

62 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:02:00pm

Hello all. Since I became an iPod user, I've subscribed to the Medal of Honor Podcast from the Pritzker Military Library in Chicago. After listening to the stories of these heros, I would give my left arm to attend any celebration in their honor.

The new POTUS does NOT understand what he has done.

63 Ben Hur  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:02:24pm

Support our troops! Bring them home now so we can ignore them!

64 Guanxi88  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:02:29pm

re: #58 Guanxi88

Really? I heard it was the Super Happy Fun Ball that was like that.

[Link: www.nbc.com...]

65 Ben Hur  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:02:45pm

re: #62 ggt

Hello all. Since I became an iPod user, I've subscribed to the Medal of Honor Podcast from the Pritzker Military Library in Chicago. After listening to the stories of these heros, I would give my left arm to attend any celebration in their honor.

The new POTUS does NOT understand what he has done.

Yes he does.

66 LGoPs  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:03:03pm

re: #62 ggt

Hello all. Since I became an iPod user, I've subscribed to the Medal of Honor Podcast from the Pritzker Military Library in Chicago. After listening to the stories of these heros, I would give my left arm to attend any celebration in their honor.

The new POTUS does NOT understand what he has done.

No disrespect but I think he does. This wasn't an accidental oversight.....it was deliberate.

67 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:03:14pm

re: #62 ggt

Hello all. Since I became an iPod user, I've subscribed to the Medal of Honor Podcast from the Pritzker Military Library in Chicago. After listening to the stories of these heros, I would give my left arm to attend any celebration in their honor.

The new POTUS does NOT understand what he has done.

I believe He does know, and doesn't give a tinker's dam if it doesn't magnify His Glory and Majesty.

68 faraway  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:03:21pm

"It's scary when HILLARY has more testosterone then GOP Senators"

69 Gella  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:03:53pm

can i say boohooo?

70 Occasional Reader  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:04:01pm

Hey, I just noticed one of the ball venues was where I got married. (And Obama didn't attend that, either, of course.)

71 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:04:05pm

re: #68 faraway

"It's scary when HILLARY has more testosterone then GOP Senators"

She gets it from Bill's balls she keeps in her pocket.

72 capitalist piglet  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:04:06pm

re: #49 pink freud

Do I detect a note of surprise?

We had no reason to believe otherwise.

No, I'm not surprised. I guess there was a small part of me that was comforted by those on the right who thought maybe it wouldn't be so bad. It's been one day, and I already hate the Obama Era.

My dad was on Iwo Jima. He was no Medal of Honor winner, but I was raised with a deep appreciation and sense of awe of our nation's heroes. The fact that the new CIC would rather press the flesh with what seems like anyone but them frankly makes me sick.

73 pink freud  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:04:09pm

re: #57 FurryOldGuyJeans

But we had a few trolls and sockpuppets demanding we gave the O a chance. Well, he has had his chance, and so far he only been wasting any good will he might have earned outside the Obamagasm the FMSM generated.

Yes, I have seen their posts. He made it pretty plain what he was all about, both during the campaign (if you listened closely) and by his past associations.

A chance? That dog don't hunt in my world. he is what he is and his actions will reflect that. It's simple.

74 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:04:21pm

re: #62 ggt

Hello all. Since I became an iPod user, I've subscribed to the Medal of Honor Podcast from the Pritzker Military Library in Chicago. After listening to the stories of these heros, I would give my left arm to attend any celebration in their honor.

The new POTUS does NOT understand what he has done.

Obama is perfectly clear about what the middle finger is used for.

75 Guanxi88  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:04:25pm

re: #62 ggt

Hello all. After listening to the stories of these heros, I would give my left arm to attend any celebration in their honor.

Many gave at least as much as that. Barry? Well, he thought about joining. Funny, huh? He at least claims to have considered serving with those he snubbed like a fat chick at closing time.

76 bellamags  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:04:25pm

I believe we are just beginning to see the disdain this man has for any show of strength. Be prepared for that "test" Biden was talking about.

77 Nene1  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:04:47pm

Well, we'll have to do what the US President declines to do.

We salute our noble allies and their heroic Medal of Honor recipients.

Thank you, True heroes !

78 Silhouette  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:04:53pm

Can't risk any footage getting out there of a less-than-woshipful reception by a room full of heros.

79 formercorpsman  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:04:54pm

re: #59 pink freud

Listen, I know where they stand. I am under no illusions.

But again, they are into to the symbolic bullshit. Window dressing if you will.

If this guy is so smooth, he would have realized there is no way to not look good by doing this.

It earned him a thread here.

80 maddogg  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:05:08pm

Why would he want to honor the enablers of American Imperialism? The Left hates the Military. Look for the Defense budget to shrink to zip. Before you know it, we won't be able to pull off a helicopter mission to Iran without a disaster. Look for Vets to take it up the pooper. We have parasites, both foreign and domestic, to feed, clothe, and educate.

If you think its bad, just wait.

81 rabidfox  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:05:12pm

re: #68 faraway Hell, she's got more testosterone than our current President! Also more brains. And I never thought I write something like that.

82 Guanxi88  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:05:47pm

re: #78 Silhouette

Can't risk any footage getting out there of a less-than-woshipful reception by a room full of heros.

That was an angle I hadn't considered, but I daresay the warriors and those in attendance would have been classier than ANYTHING his Lordship condescended to visit in their stead.

83 pingjockey  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:06:03pm

re: #69 Gella

Sure, about what?

84 pink freud  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:06:05pm

re: #62 ggt

I just don't understand why all the surprise. I think he understands perfectly what he has done. He's surrounded himself with people who parse everything six ways from Sunday. Naivete? I don't believe that for a second.

85 BingoBunny  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:06:18pm

When they make hero workers.. and hero soldiers ..for the number of new voters they sign up.. and money they donate to his change America committee.. he will attend their Ball.

86 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:06:19pm

re: #80 maddogg

He needs the DoD budget to equip and fund His new Civilian Defense Force.

87 wiffersnapper  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:06:43pm

CHANGE!

88 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:06:50pm

re: #85 BingoBunny

When they make hero workers.. and hero soldiers ..for the number of new voters they sign up.. and money they donate to his change America committee.. he will attend their Ball.

Pay to Plaly . . .

89 Spare O'Lake  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:06:56pm

re: #67 FurryOldGuyJeans

I believe He does know, and doesn't give a tinker's dam if it doesn't magnify His Glory and Majesty.

What does he know?

90 faraway  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:06:58pm

re: #81 rabidfox

Hell, she's got more testosterone than our current President! Also more brains. And I never thought I write something like that.

She won't let him get away with too much. The threat of her resigning over an issue would kill any crazy move.

91 Gella  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:07:03pm

re: #83 pingjockey

to his another 1st?

92 vagabond trader  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:07:04pm

re: #14 Da Coyote

1 upding X 1,000.

93 maddogg  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:07:05pm

re: #86 FurryOldGuyJeans

He needs the DoD budget to equip and fund His new Civilian Defense Force.

He sees the ememy, and he is us.

94 MandyManners  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:07:13pm

If I owned a paper, the headline would read, "OBAMA SNUBS DISABLED VETS".

95 Marvo76  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:07:35pm

re: #28 Pigtown Water Dog

Remember, Bill Ayers is one of his role models...

96 rabidfox  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:07:50pm

re: #86 FurryOldGuyJeans

That scares the heck our of me.

97 Trace  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:07:51pm

He flees from integrity like a vampire flees from garlic.
Having the privilege and honor to know 2 living MOH recipients, and having a relative who was awarded the MOH in the Spanish-American war, he would be considered the runt of the litter in such a gathering of unselfish, brave, and self-sacrificing heroes.
He's not worthy to serve them a drink, much less be the CinC.

98 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:07:58pm

re: #94 MandyManners

If I owned a paper, the headline would read, "OBAMA SNUBS DISABLED VETS".

Danged if I ain't one, and I sure am incensed about the snub.

99 pink freud  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:08:11pm

re: #72 capitalist piglet

No, I'm not surprised. I guess there was a small part of me that was comforted by those on the right who thought maybe it wouldn't be so bad. It's been one day, and I already hate the Obama Era.

My dad was on Iwo Jima. He was no Medal of Honor winner, but I was raised with a deep appreciation and sense of awe of our nation's heroes. The fact that the new CIC would rather press the flesh with what seems like anyone but them frankly makes me sick.

Makes me sick too, piglet. It is what it is, though. I think we will be horrified at what's to come.

100 faraway  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:08:25pm

re: #94 MandyManners

If I owned a paper, the headline would read, "OBAMA SNUBS DISABLED VETS".

If I owned a paper, it would say "mandy gets 1000 updings"

101 opnion  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:08:28pm

I feel bad for our troops. Obama doesn't respect them. To him , they are just good to play basketball with. I hope some Marine gives him a hard foul.

102 Occasional Reader  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:08:29pm

re: #82 Guanxi88

That was an angle I hadn't considered, but I daresay the warriors and those in attendance would have been classier than ANYTHING his Lordship condescended to visit in their stead.

"The time for honoring yourself will soon be at an end*."

-Maximus, Gladiator


* Let's angle for 2012, shall we?

103 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:08:33pm

re: #96 rabidfox

That scares the heck our of me.

Be prepared for at least 4 years of fear then.

104 pingjockey  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:08:35pm

re: #91 Gella
What first? Snubbing heroes? He's gonna piss all over the military just like Billy Jeff.

105 LGoPs  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:08:37pm

re: #95 Marvo76

Remember, Bill Ayers is one of his role models...

Good point. I'll bet he would have attended an Ex-Terrorists Ball.....
/

106 Guanxi88  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:08:51pm

re: #84 pink freud

I just don't understand why all the surprise. I think he understands perfectly what he has done. He's surrounded himself with people who parse everything six ways from Sunday. Naivete? I don't believe that for a second.

No, it wasn't naiveté, but that does remind me of great song:

live, featuring some of the best lamp-dancing in pop-music history.
107 vagabond trader  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:08:58pm

Mustn't offend Code Pinko's and his Islamist friends. I mean for crying out loud, these guys actually killed our enemies, past and present.

108 Eowyn2  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:09:05pm

re: #32 LGoPs

I really fucking hate the boomer generation (and I am one) and it's sense of entitlement marked by a total absence of any sense of gratitude and appreciation.....

Worse is their sense of their children's entitlement.

109 Czarny_Smok  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:09:27pm

Ya know, the day may well come when the Messiah needs the good will of those who serve, and those that have served. That good will may be very lacking.

110 wiffersnapper  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:09:29pm

Wonder what those Veterans for Obama think right about now.

111 Occasional Reader  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:09:32pm

re: #96 rabidfox

That scares the heck our of me.

There will be no Civilian Defense Force. This is the thing I worry about LEAST. It was Obama blabber about volunteerism, and he got carried away.

112 Tigger  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:09:44pm

What a... (add your own). But then, we knew it, didn't we?

113 rabidfox  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:09:48pm

re: #90 faraway

Actually, I think he's looking for a chance to get rid of Hillary once he's leveraged her our of her senate seat. She'd be a lot less powerful and dangerous to him without an official platform. Right now he's holding all the aces and she hasn't got anything really to finess with.

114 Gella  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:09:50pm

re: #104 pingjockey
exactly, to him making fun of heroes, i seen part of the ball, when he was trying to find one SOX fan
i am not bashing solders at all

115 Buck  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:09:55pm

He only went to Balls where he could thank the people there for helping him get elected.

"This day is yours"
"You did this"

and so on...

116 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:10:08pm

re: #104 pingjockey

What first? Snubbing heroes? He's gonna piss all over the military just like Billy Jeff.

Why change a "winning" strategy from a prior administration?

117 Occasional Reader  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:10:14pm

re: #110 wiffersnapper

Wonder what those Veterans for Obama think right about now.

I would love to have been a fly on that wall, especially as the event was letting out.

118 buzzdroid  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:10:20pm

bit unfair - he attended TEN balls on inauguration night

[Link: www.novinite.com...]

now , i know that Obama is "the one" -but i didnt realise that we'd start criticising him over his lack of Japanese Hero time travelling capabilities...

lets keep our fire for what really matters. like policy.

mmmkay?

119 mattm  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:10:31pm

F***ing asshole! That is all. I need a drink!

120 Dustyvet  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:10:34pm

re: #26 Ojoe

Congressional Medal of Honor Website

To see what Obama misses.

[Link: www.homeofheroes.com...]

121 Gella  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:11:19pm

ok, ill post it in this forum too
Image: obamajuggle.jpg

122 Lee Coller  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:11:33pm

In other news, I hear homelessness ended yesterday, and once he finds Mullah Omar's satellite phone number and talks with him we'll have peace in Afghanistan. Once he talks to the Iranians they'll reign in Hezbollah and Hamas and Israel will be at peace. Then we can all gather around the camp fire, hold hands, and sing Kum-By-Uh

123 akak  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:11:50pm

Probably busy talking to Rashid Khalidi before he called Abu Mazen this morning.

124 pingjockey  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:11:57pm

re: #114 Gella
Gotcha. We are in a war for Western Civilization and obambi and the donks on the Hill are going to gut the military to pay for a shitload of domestic spending, ie.....more welfare programs for anyone who'll take it.

125 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:12:10pm

re: #111 Occasional Reader

There will be no Civilian Defense Force. This is the thing I worry about LEAST. It was Obama blabber about volunteerism, and he got carried away.

OR, I respect your opinion, but so far his promises from the early part of his campaign are being enacted. His CDF might be another he tries to keep.

126 Boxy_brown  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:12:16pm

Wasn't I hearing that we ought to give the bastard Obama "a chance" just recently?

Priorities for day 1: Gitmo, abortion, blow off the vets...
Can't wait for day 2.

127 jjag  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:12:19pm

For a guy who's supposed to be "smart" this is a dumb, unforced, error.

Similar to the handling of the Blago thing, all he had to do was say, "sure, some of us TALKED to Blago about the senate seat but no one was conceivably talking about paying him off to do something".

Instead we get stumbling, stupid, remarks and an "internal" investigation.....which shows no wrong doing! Amazing.

He's looking like he's already tripping over himself......not a good sign.

128 buzzdroid  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:12:21pm

just watching BBC news..

obama is left handed? showed a clip of him signing stuff..


sorry, as a left hander, i find that awesome.

continue as you were.

129 maddogg  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:12:23pm

We have a community organizer running the country. Why worry?

/ugh

130 Guanxi88  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:12:27pm

re: #122 Lee Coller

Then we can all gather around the camp fire, hold hands, and sing Kum-By-Uh

I thought the UN Secretary General was Ban-Ki Moon. When did that change?

131 Dustyvet  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:12:33pm

re: #100 faraway

If I owned a paper, it would say "mandy gets 1000 updings"

If I owned a paper, I'd roll it up and whack a liberal across the nose with it, while saying bad moon bat, bad moon bat!

132 capitalist piglet  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:12:38pm

re: #118 buzzdroid

bit unfair - he attended TEN balls on inauguration night

[Link: www.novinite.com...]

now , i know that Obama is "the one" -but i didnt realise that we'd start criticising him over his lack of Japanese Hero time travelling capabilities...

lets keep our fire for what really matters. like policy.

mmmkay?

Who matters more than people who have given life and limb for this country? It should have been important to him to get there. That is the point.

133 nyc redneck  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:12:39pm

he is such a disrespectful jerk.
brazenly so.
yuck,
and he is the commander in chief of the military.
imagine how they feel.

134 rawmuse  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:12:40pm

Too bad the only coverage of this non-event is a blog I never heard of.

135 Marvo76  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:12:53pm

My family (dad) is friends with Melvin "Bud" Biddle, who won his MOH in WW2, his daughter used to babysit for me when I was still in short pants. I wonder if Bud knows?

136 DeafDog  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:13:01pm

Moonbat story -

I got a lecture yesterday that Obama won because he had a MySpace page and McCain couldn't even use a blackberry (and we all know why McCain can't use a blackberry).

"The Lady Di'ification of our country is almost complete."

137 Gella  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:13:05pm

re: #124 pingjockey
i am sorry for miss understanding
i am sick and tired of hearing about 2nd coming or 1st

138 Son of the Black Dog  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:13:15pm

re: #33 Ojoe

Well the nation got through Buchannan.

And 39 days later the Civil War started. Didn't turn out very well - for either side.

139 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:13:29pm

re: #124 pingjockey

Gotcha. We are in a war for Western Civilization and obambi and the donks on the Hill are going to gut the military to pay for a shitload of domestic spending, ie.....more welfare programs for anyone who'll take it.

Sounds eerily so much like Rome just before she fell.

140 MandyManners  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:13:31pm

One way to look at it is that at least the other attendees were spared having to see WAB's hideous prom gown.

141 Eowyn2  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:13:32pm

re: #86 FurryOldGuyJeans

He needs the DoD budget to equip and fund His new Civilian Defense Force.

which really does make me nervous.

142 pingjockey  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:13:45pm

re: #118 buzzdroid
NO FUCKING WAY! He is the incoming CinC. It is his DUTY to attend this ball. obambi has a whole lotta learning to do about duty.

143 Marvo76  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:13:49pm

re: #122 Lee Coller

In other news, I hear homelessness ended yesterday, and once he finds Mullah Omar's satellite phone number and talks with him we'll have peace in Afghanistan. Once he talks to the Iranians they'll reign in Hezbollah and Hamas and Israel will be at peace. Then we can all gather around the camp fire, hold hands, and sing Kum-By-Uh

I think as one of his first officail acts he will cancel the state of Israel...

144 opnion  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:13:51pm

re: #114 Gella

exactly, to him making fun of heroes, i seen part of the ball, when he was trying to find one SOX fan
i am not bashing solders at all

I am so pissed off that Barry is a Sox fan. The Sox owner is a big time W supporter & Republican.

145 Occasional Reader  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:13:55pm

re: #118 buzzdroid

bit unfair - he attended TEN balls on inauguration night

[Link: www.novinite.com...]

now , i know that Obama is "the one" -but i didnt realise that we'd start criticising him over his lack of Japanese Hero time travelling capabilities...

lets keep our fire for what really matters. like policy.

mmmkay?


He chose which ones to attend. He can be validly criticized for his choices. Ditching a half-century of tradition of honoring our bravest heroes, in order to schmooze with celebrities? Open to criticism, to say the least.

146 LGoPs  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:14:03pm

re: #120 Dustyvet

[Link: www.homeofheroes.com...]

To see what Obama misses.

Actually in retrospect, I'm glad he didn't go. He would have sullied the honor in that room with his presence.

147 filetandrelease  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:14:15pm

re: #57 FurryOldGuyJeans

But we had a few trolls and sockpuppets demanding we gave the O a chance. Well, he has had his chance, and so far he only been wasting any good will he might have earned outside the Obamagasm the FMSM generated.

I admit I was making an effort to be "optimistic", though not demanding it of others, but this is beyond the pale for the "Commander". Not getting off to a good start, very bad PR.

148 [deleted]  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:14:16pm
149 rabidfox  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:14:19pm

If he could only attend ten balls then he needed to prioritize (I really hate that word), which he did. The film-whatever ball was obviously more important to him the MOH winners ball. Sorry, I'll criticize him as much as I choose.

150 buzzdroid  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:14:42pm

re: #126 Boxy_brown

Wasn't I hearing that we ought to give the bastard Obama "a chance" just recently?

Priorities for day 1: Gitmo, abortion, blow off the vets...
Can't wait for day 2.

Gitmo isnt going away - what is ACTUALLY happening is that the Gitmo terrorists will be moved to Britain, where ideas like "all men are created equal with inalienable rights" dont apply...

so it LOOKS like he's sorted a problem - whereas in fact its just being shifted to another place.

151 Dustyvet  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:14:44pm

re: #146 LGoPs

Actually in retrospect, I'm glad he didn't go. He would have sullied the honor in that room with his presence.

Agreed.

152 Arlemagne  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:14:49pm

Who never did a noble deed?
Who of the people took no heed?
Who is the worst of Tyrant's breed?
OBAMA!

Who rules us with an iron rod?
Who is at Satan's beck and nod?
Who heeds not man, who heeds not G-d?
OBAMA!

(Based upon the song "A Miniature about Van Buren")
But the name fits, and the details are shaping up to do so as well!

153 faraway  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:14:55pm

Bloomberg sends a team of reporters to get world reaction:

"Obama is a black Bush" from Venezuela

"America has to understand that Islam is the solution and the world sooner or later is going to turn into an Islamic world" in Gaza

154 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:14:57pm

re: #130 Guanxi88

I thought the UN Secretary General was Ban-Ki Moonbat. When did that change?

It hasn't changed, but I corrected it

155 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:14:59pm

re: #134 rawmuse

Too bad the only coverage of this non-event is a blog I never heard of.

I've never seen you before this.

/who was that masked lizard?

156 Occasional Reader  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:15:09pm

re: #125 FurryOldGuyJeans

OR, I respect your opinion, but so far his promises from the early part of his campaign are being enacted. His CDF might be another he tries to keep.

Too many highly outlandish things would have to happen in order for this "CDF armed as well as the military" to come into being. Science fiction novel stuff. Not gonna happen.

157 pingjockey  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:15:31pm

re: #137 Gella
No worries! :)

158 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:15:48pm

re: #139 FurryOldGuyJeans

Sounds eerily so much like Rome just before she fell.

Ner0bama. Does he play the violin?
(Yes, I know Nero didn't; violins hadn't been invented yet)

159 pink freud  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:15:57pm

re: #106 Guanxi88

I meant to thank you for your post of a few days ago on Chinese medicine. I've found a place locally that can help me out with some of your suggestions.

Appreciate it!

160 MandyManners  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:16:04pm

re: #118 buzzdroid

bit unfair - he attended TEN balls on inauguration night

[Link: www.novinite.com...]

now , i know that Obama is "the one" -but i didnt realise that we'd start criticising him over his lack of Japanese Hero time travelling capabilities...

lets keep our fire for what really matters. like policy.

mmmkay?

Snubbing people who've lost limbs defending this nation is okay? Did you look at the ones he chose to attend?

161 winston06  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:16:05pm

I am not surprised. After all he has said many times he doesn't like the US military or accused them of air raiding villages and killing civilians. What a joke

162 Soona'  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:16:14pm

re: #103 FurryOldGuyJeans

Be prepared for at least 4 years of fear then.

This isn't new. Didn't he shit on vets at least twice during the campaign?

163 pingjockey  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:16:18pm

re: #139 FurryOldGuyJeans
GMTA. Bread and circuses come to mind.

164 Silhouette  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:16:23pm

re: #82 Guanxi88

That was an angle I hadn't considered, but I daresay the warriors and those in attendance would have been classier than ANYTHING his Lordship condescended to visit in their stead.

Of course they would have behaved with honor. I meant literally there wouldn't be swooning, and stares of, well, worship.

165 Son of the Black Dog  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:16:26pm

re: #45 FurryOldGuyJeans

We survived Carter, and we survived Clinton.

I don't really like extended 4 or 8 year survival training.

Yeah, I survived the Carter administration, but it took me years to recover financially.

166 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:16:31pm

re: #147 filetandrelease

I admit I was making an effort to be "optimistic", though not demanding it of others, but this is beyond the pale for the "Commander". Not getting off to a good start, very bad PR.

There were some basically calling all us lizards Right-wing Nutjobs if we didn't support unreservedly the O, no matter what the provocation.

167 JCM  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:16:31pm

re: #109 Czarny_Smok

Ya know, the day may well come when the Messiah needs the good will of those who serve, and those that have served. That good will may be very lacking.

I'm trying to find the transcript, Medved just played a clip of Obama talking about service yesterday. Obama mentions Americorp, Peace Corp, volunteerism.... not the military.

168 foxsecret  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:16:38pm

"Obama...do you call the ball"

"UUUUUh, negative ghost rider the pattern is full"

169 [deleted]  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:16:54pm
170 buzzdroid  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:16:58pm

re: #132 capitalist piglet

Who matters more than people who have given life and limb for this country? It should have been important to him to get there. That is the point.

you're doing the same as the Kos Kids.

lets be real here. the guy attended TEN balls last night. bound to let someone down...

i just hope that we lizards DONT turn into a mirror image of thje Kos Kids..

we're more intelligent than that - arent we?

171 [deleted]  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:17:09pm
172 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:17:17pm

re: #163 pingjockey

GMTA. Bread and circuses come to mind.

Once they figure out what shows to have. They were going to have Lions vs. Conservatives, but PETA thought that was cruel to the lions.

173 MandyManners  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:17:18pm

I wonder what Avanti would post.

174 Eowyn2  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:17:21pm

re: #111 Occasional Reader

There will be no Civilian Defense Force. This is the thing I worry about LEAST. It was Obama blabber about volunteerism, and he got carried away.

I'll bet you five bucks that it becomes a trial balloon around Memorial Day.

Whether the trial balloon will be lifted more than five feet will depend entirely on the gas of the senate and house.

Getting carried away = planning to hire 1 million more cops
Jumping the shark = planning a civilian enforcement group responsible to the president of the US which equals the country's military.

Is he afraid of a military coup?

175 Boxy_brown  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:17:27pm

re: #118 buzzdroid

"bit unfair - he attended TEN balls on inauguration night"

MTV hope n' change "Youth Inaugural Ball" (TM) "with Kid Rock and Kaney West" or the American Legion’s “Salute to Heroes Inaugural Ball.”

Gee... Which one to attend?

176 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:17:42pm

re: #162 Soona'

This isn't new. Didn't he shit on vets at least twice during the campaign?

More than twice that I remember. Twice it was BIG news the FMSM had a hard time covering up.

177 marge45b  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:17:48pm

W said the greatest role was to be CIC. It was an honor for him to be our President. I'm glad my husband got to serve under Reagan, 41 and 43. He just tolerated Clinton. But W treated the troops right. The troops will surely miss him.

178 akak  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:17:51pm

re: #150 buzzdroid

Gitmo isnt going away - what is ACTUALLY happening is that the Gitmo terrorists will be moved to Britain, where ideas like "all men are created equal with inalienable rights" dont apply...

so it LOOKS like he's sorted a problem - whereas in fact its just being shifted to another place.

UK has done really well with that sort of issue!

/At least the right people may get a second shot at them.

179 jacksontn  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:17:55pm

No friggin surprise ...get use to it ...all the crap we knew during the campaign but The One's supporters denied or refused to even listen to ...it's all true ...all of it ..and it will all be revealed ...the other night someone told me to back off when I really had not said anything except what I have been saying for almost 2 years ...he is a fraud ...we gave the guy a chance to come clean many times ...he never did and now he does not have to because ...well, you know ...he the prez ...vomit ...

180 bellamags  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:18:10pm

re: #169 buzzsawmonkey

No, he plays the liar lyre.

quit harping on it.

181 rawmuse  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:18:16pm

re: #155 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Your blog? I'll bookmark it.

182 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:18:17pm

re: #163 pingjockey

GMTA. Bread and circuses come to mind.

PM in my case, but thanks for the vote of confidence. ;)

183 capitalist piglet  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:18:17pm

re: #170 buzzdroid

you're doing the same as the Kos Kids.

lets be real here. the guy attended TEN balls last night. bound to let someone down...

i just hope that we lizards DONT turn into a mirror image of thje Kos Kids..

we're more intelligent than that - arent we?

That "someone" shouldn't have been these people. If you don't get it, I can't help you.

And don't you DARE compare me to a "Kos Kid".

184 opnion  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:18:24pm

Did he go to the Hip Hop Ball? Please tell me that he did.
I would love to see that in a story with his Medal nof Honor snub.
And by the way, I think that I can dance better than him & that is just sad

185 Soona'  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:18:44pm

re: #134 rawmuse

Too bad the only coverage of this non-event is a blog I never heard of.

It's on LGF now.

186 MandyManners  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:18:47pm

re: #170 buzzdroid

you're doing the same as the Kos Kids.

lets be real here. the guy attended TEN balls last night. bound to let someone down...

i just hope that we lizards DONT turn into a mirror image of thje Kos Kids..

we're more intelligent than that - arent we?

THE COMMANDER IN CHIEF OF THE U.S. MILITARY SHOULD HAVE BEEN AT THE MEDAL OF HONOR BALL.

187 OldLineTexan  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:18:51pm

re: #173 MandyManners

I wonder what Avanti would post.

WWAP?

188 maddogg  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:18:52pm

Micheal Moore must be short stroking around his living room like a horny Chihuahua.

189 Guanxi88  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:18:53pm

re: #159 pink freud

I meant to thank you for your post of a few days ago on Chinese medicine. I've found a place locally that can help me out with some of your suggestions.

Appreciate it!

Glad to hear. I've been downing my Pe Min Kan Wan like tic tacs. Cedar fever season in central Texas.

Had to stock up, since the guy I buy from was shutting down shop for the New Year (he's from Vietnam, so it's Tet, which is a huge friggin' deal). Aked him what the plans were:

"Barbecue," he answered. Hilarious, gotta love Texas. Guy celebrates Tet with a barbecue.

190 DeafDog  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:18:53pm

re: #173 MandyManners

I wonder what Avanti would post.


WWAP

191 foxsecret  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:18:57pm

Watch out US military...here comes the "Fresh prince of William Ayers!"

192 LGoPs  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:18:58pm

re: #156 Occasional Reader

Too many highly outlandish things would have to happen in order for this "CDF armed as well as the military" to come into being. Science fiction novel stuff. Not gonna happen.

Just what exactly would be the mission of this force? Hard as I try, I can't think of anything good. I ain't no kook but if that comes into being we're gonna need us a Patriot Militia.

193 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:18:58pm

re: #180 bellamags

quit harping on it.

Not gonna happen. Buzz has a lotta pluck.

194 Marvo76  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:18:59pm

re: #153 faraway

Bloomberg sends a team of reporters to get world reaction:

"Obama is a black Bush" from Venezuela

"America has to understand that Islam is the solution and the world sooner or later is going to turn into an Islamic world" in Gaza

I don't see Hugo in a towel yet, nor converting....Yet another meat pupet proving himself to the world...

195 Render  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:19:08pm

Whoa...

Even Slick Willie found the time to attend that ball, both times, (no pun intended).

Even Jimmy the Jew Hater managed to attend during his inauguration.

===

Mr. Giant Zero, you don't get a mulligan for this kind of stuff. You get the respect you give.

DEGGIAL,
R

196 Boxy_brown  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:19:21pm

re: #184 opnion

Did he go to the Hip Hop Ball? Please tell me that he did.

"The Youth Inaugural Ball"...

197 bellamags  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:19:35pm

re: #188 maddogg

Micheal Moore must be short stroking around his living room like a horny Chihuahua.

f*cking sick visual, dude.

198 [deleted]  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:19:42pm
199 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:19:48pm

re: #173 MandyManners

I wonder what Avanti would post.

Frankly I don't give a rat's ass.

But I wouldn't want to stop him from posting whatever it was.

200 pingjockey  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:20:07pm

re: #170 buzzdroid
We are and so should the CinC be. Hobnobbing with elite Hollywood types and snubbing the troops just shows us we were right about this empty suit all along.

201 OldLineTexan  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:20:07pm

re: #190 DeafDog

WWAP

One of us should probably be worried.

202 Occasional Reader  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:20:21pm

re: #174 Eowyn2

I'll bet you five bucks that it becomes a trial balloon around Memorial Day.

You're on.

203 buzzdroid  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:20:31pm

re: #175 Boxy_brown

MTV hope n' change "Youth Inaugural Ball" (TM) "with Kid Rock and Kaney West" or the American Legion’s “Salute to Heroes Inaugural Ball.”

Gee... Which one to attend?

i dunno -whatever his advisers organised for him...

this is trivial crap. what MATTERS is his policy decisions. THATS what matters.

204 Kragar  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:21:03pm

Once again, Obama has another chance to show class and fails

205 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:21:05pm

re: #181 rawmuse

Your blog? I'll bookmark it.

This was not the blog I registered on.

/ (-:

206 LGoPs  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:21:11pm

re: #195 Render

Whoa...

Even Slick Willie found the time to attend that ball, both times, (no pun intended).

Even Jimmy the Jew Hater managed to attend during his inauguration.

===

Mr. Giant Zero, you don't get a mulligan for this kind of stuff. You get the respect you give.

DEGGIAL,
R

What bastards like him haven't figured out is that respect is earned......not granted just because you think you're entitled......

207 bellamags  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:21:14pm

re: #198 buzzsawmonkey

C'mon, can't I string you along a little?

Thats kinda brass.

208 DeafDog  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:21:18pm

re: #187 OldLineTexan

Hah! GMTA

Beat me by 2 seconds!

209 redstateredneck  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:21:20pm

re: #188 maddogg

Micheal Moore must be short stroking around his living room like a horny Chihuahua.

Eww.

210 [deleted]  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:21:29pm
211 callahan23  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:21:37pm

Sorry late!

You are quite used to this kind of disloyalty and total absence of any sense of gratitude and appreciation for heroes on this side of the pond.
Yet in America?!?
WTF? Who the fuck he thinks he is, anyway? Oh .... well .... POTUS?
SSHHHIIIIIIIITT
/

212 Marvo76  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:21:44pm

re: #174 Eowyn2

I'll bet you five bucks that it becomes a trial balloon around Memorial Day.

Whether the trial balloon will be lifted more than five feet will depend entirely on the gas of the senate and house.

Getting carried away = planning to hire 1 million more cops
Jumping the shark = planning a civilian enforcement group responsible to the president of the US which equals the country's military.

Is he afraid of a military coup?

I don't think we would have that problem here, although He might have to order the Military to put down civial insurrection...I wonder how many would follow that order these days?

213 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:21:50pm

re: #170 buzzdroid

I have yet to see ANYONE here advocate any violence against the man, let alone post endless desires for his assassination, period. Your slur is vulgar, crass, repulsive, and repugnant.

214 capitalist piglet  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:21:54pm

re: #203 buzzdroid

i dunno -whatever his advisers organised for him...

this is trivial crap. what MATTERS is his policy decisions. THATS what matters.

No, THIS matters. The people who bust their asses around the clock to make sure THEY are at physical risk instead of the rest of us.

I can't believe this has to be explained to a single American.

Pathetic.

215 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:21:56pm

Boy, am I glad we didn't elect a RINO.
/

Is Obama even gonna make it four years?

I dunno, towards the end of B.J. Clinton's first term I was certain, absolutely certain, that "We The People" couldn't possibly be dumb enough to give him a second term. So much for certainty.

216 opnion  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:22:04pm

re: #196 Boxy_brown

"The Youth Inaugural Ball"...

That's what they called it? prior to the Inauguration they were referring to it as tha Hip Hop Ball.

217 Occasional Reader  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:22:07pm

re: #198 buzzsawmonkey

C'mon, can't I string you along a little?

What a low, bass comment.

218 OldLineTexan  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:22:34pm

re: #189 Guanxi88

Glad to hear. I've been downing my Pe Min Kan Wan like tic tacs. Cedar fever season in central Texas.

Had to stock up, since the guy I buy from was shutting down shop for the New Year (he's from Vietnam, so it's Tet, which is a huge friggin' deal). Aked him what the plans were:

"Barbecue," he answered. Hilarious, gotta love Texas. Guy celebrates Tet with a barbecue.

After some initial nasty racism (and some gangs, OMG, twenties-style mafia killings), the Vietnamese really dug into Texas, especially Houston. Love the food, enjoy the people. Little kids with horrible, horrible twangs. ;)

219 [deleted]  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:22:39pm
220 Soona'  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:22:51pm

re: #170 buzzdroid

you're doing the same as the Kos Kids.

lets be real here. the guy attended TEN balls last night. bound to let someone down...

i just hope that we lizards DONT turn into a mirror image of thje Kos Kids..

we're more intelligent than that - arent we?

Hey Buzz. Think about it. Think of the times in which we're living. That particular ball should have been FIRST on his list.

221 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:22:56pm

re: #192 LGoPs

Just what exactly would be the mission of this force? Hard as I try, I can't think of anything good. I ain't no kook but if that comes into being we're gonna need us a Patriot Militia.

They're the enforcers for "community organizers" or zampolit. They'll make sure our 0bama posters are kept clean without graffiti, and that we do our daily reading from the 0ne's books. And they'll look for forbidden literature, like Atlas Shrugged, or anything by the Founding Fathers.
/I hope this stays as sarc

222 Ayatollah Ghilmeini  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:23:02pm

Poor Barack, doesn't have respect for real community organizers! These community organizers organized America's enemies into dead, retreating or wounded communities. I sometimes wish we did a lot more of this kind of organizing.

223 [deleted]  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:23:07pm
224 OldLineTexan  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:23:19pm

re: #209 redstateredneck

Eww.

Hey, short stroking is really his only option.

/

225 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:23:24pm

re: #217 Occasional Reader

What a low, bass comment.

Buzz is no better than a Chicago politician, tryin' to make off with th' lute.

226 bellamags  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:23:27pm

re: #219 buzzsawmonkey

But treble value.

you really should learn how to conductor yourself

227 buzzdroid  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:23:28pm

re: #186 MandyManners

THE COMMANDER IN CHIEF OF THE U.S. MILITARY SHOULD HAVE BEEN AT THE MEDAL OF HONOR BALL.

says who? you do? congress? the u.s. army?


who organises the "medal of honor ball"?

is it not possible that his advisers deemed it to be too partisan?

228 Occasional Reader  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:23:30pm

re: #170 buzzdroid

lets be real here. the guy attended TEN balls last night. bound to let someone down...

Uh, yeah, if he had snubbed Sting and Beyoncé, we'd be criticizing him just as harshly.
/////

229 iam7545  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:23:37pm

Pandering to Code Pinkos?

230 MandyManners  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:23:59pm

re: #203 buzzdroid

i dunno -whatever his advisers organised for him...

this is trivial crap. what MATTERS is his policy decisions. THATS what matters.

His disdain for the military was evidenced by his refusal to attend this ball, and that disdain will spill over into his polilcies.

231 HoosierHoops  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:24:02pm

re: #219 buzzsawmonkey

But treble value.

I need to Staff out my puns

232 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:24:02pm

re: #209 redstateredneck

Eww.

yeah, that one needed a mind bleach warning. . . .

:0

233 DeafDog  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:24:04pm

re: #201 OldLineTexan

One of us should probably be worried.

Yeah, it's me.

For a brief second I actually considered what Avanti would post before coming to my senses and realizing that there could be no 'spaln'n this one.

234 Occasional Reader  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:24:08pm

re: #219 buzzsawmonkey

But treble value.

Why must you viola-ate the rules of etiquette of this blog?

235 eschew_obfuscation  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:24:24pm

re: #170 buzzdroid

you're doing the same as the Kos Kids.

lets be real here. the guy attended TEN balls last night. bound to let someone down...

i just hope that we lizards DONT turn into a mirror image of thje Kos Kids..

we're more intelligent than that - arent we?

If you know you have more events to attend than you can attend, you are forced to decide which ones to attend and which ones to skip.

Obama made his choice and I think it stinks.

That doesn't make me anything like a KOS kid.

Further, if he chose not to attend, he could have sent an emissary such as Biden in his stead. To my knowledge, he didn't do that either.

236 LGoPs  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:24:28pm

re: #217 Occasional Reader

What a low, bass comment.

I don't mean to horn in on this pun thread but you sure are a one note Johnny....
:)

237 formercorpsman  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:24:40pm

re: #170 buzzdroid

Not even close. He should have been there.

Part of the job when people elect you as the Cic, is to be actually be the Commander in Chief.

238 redstateredneck  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:24:41pm

A huge deal was made of the CIC Ball.


Way, way down almost to the end of the article:

President George W. Bush first had a ball to specifically honor the uniformed services.
239 buzzdroid  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:25:10pm

re: #213 FurryOldGuyJeans

I have yet to see ANYONE here advocate any violence against the man, let alone post endless desires for his assassination, period. Your slur is vulgar, crass, repulsive, and repugnant.

my original post that you are replying to did not refer to violence of any kind.

i trust that you will retract your statement. i just referred to "kos kids".

240 Boxy_brown  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:25:11pm

re: #203 buzzdroid


i dunno -whatever his advisers organised for him...


So he has no responsibility in the matter... Apologize much?

this is trivial crap.


It shows where his priorities are.

what MATTERS is his policy decisions.


So far they have been just as skewed as his decision to attend the The Youth Inaugural Ball instead of associate with people who have sacrificed for the country he leads.

241 JCM  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:25:11pm

re: #173 MandyManners

I wonder what Avanti would post.

HA! We're taking it out of context.

I seem to take Obama out of context an awful lot.

242 Marvo76  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:25:19pm

re: #221 Kosh's Shadow

They're the enforcers for "community organizers" or zampolit. They'll make sure our 0bama posters are kept clean without graffiti, and that we do our daily reading from the 0ne's books. And they'll look for forbidden literature, like Atlas Shrugged, or anything by the Founding Fathers.
/I hope this stays as sarc

I hope it stay a sarc too!

243 Occasional Reader  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:25:30pm

re: #227 buzzdroid

is it not possible that his advisers deemed it to be too partisan?

PARTISAN?! The Medal of Honor recipients are PARTISAN?!

244 loppyd  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:25:32pm

re: #227 buzzdroid

says who? you do? congress? the u.s. army?

who organises the "medal of honor ball"?

is it not possible that his advisers deemed it to be too partisan?

Please explain what is partisan about a medal of honor ball.

245 JacksonTn  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:25:40pm

re: #227 buzzdroid

says who? you do? congress? the u.s. army?

who organises the "medal of honor ball"?

is it not possible that his advisers deemed it to be too partisan?

With all due respect to you buzzdroid ...if a man gives so much that he receives a Medal of Honor ...WTF should partisan have to do with it ...and f*ck them if they think it was too partisan to show up ...he is suppose to be the CIC of all Americans now ...

246 redstateredneck  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:25:42pm

re: #224 OldLineTexan

Hey, short stroking is really his only option.

/

More eww.

247 Guanxi88  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:25:42pm

re: #218 OldLineTexan

After some initial nasty racism (and some gangs, OMG, twenties-style mafia killings), the Vietnamese really dug into Texas, especially Houston. Love the food, enjoy the people. Little kids with horrible, horrible twangs. ;)

The Vietnamese and their mostly successful integration into Texas is a real interesting story. On the face of it, the thing is largely unexpected; I mean, Mexican and Hispanic integration was (until maybe 20 or so years ago) a given, especially in the Lone Star State; historical ties and all.

But Vietnamese? The culture clash, one would have expected to be pretty severe. It's like they accelerated the integration process, going from (mostly) refugees, through lower class and gangster life, right into pillars of the community, and this in the space of what amounts to one generation.

Them's some damned fine folk, the Vietnamese. (And yes, I get a kick out of Mr. Nguyen's son sounding like Boomhauer.)

248 brookly red  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:25:43pm

Sooo the first RNC ad for 2012 is already written...

249 OldLineTexan  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:25:51pm

re: #226 bellamags

you really should learn how to conductor yourself

Aw, have a little symphony for the guy. He might get band.

250 Eowyn2  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:25:56pm

re: #160 MandyManners

Snubbing people who've lost limbs defending this nation is okay? Did you look at the ones he chose to attend?


life is full of choices. you make good choices or bad choices
the
Neighborhood Ball - Many of whose attendies seem to live in Malibu. that's a Neighborhood I wouldnt mind having the bucks to move into.

251 MandyManners  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:26:08pm

re: #227 buzzdroid

says who? you do? congress? the u.s. army?


who organises the "medal of honor ball"?

is it not possible that his advisers deemed it to be too partisan?

What is partisan about honoring those who have fought in war and those who have been maimed in war? Did you even read the article? It was organized by the American Legion.

252 loppyd  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:26:09pm

re: #243 Occasional Reader

PARTISAN?! The Medal of Honor recipients are PARTISAN?!

GMTA by 2 secs. :)

253 buzzdroid  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:26:10pm

re: #230 MandyManners

His disdain for the military was evidenced by his refusal to attend this ball, and that disdain will spill over into his polilcies.

i think you are right. it will happen...

and then we'll have a george bush mark 2 sorting out the mess and being hated for it...

c'est la vie!

254 Silhouette  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:26:10pm

re: #227 buzzdroid

is it not possible that his advisers deemed it to be too partisan?

There's a real problem with people who consider respecting our own heros "partisan."

Reminds me of the government buildings that took down the American flag because they considered it "partisan", read "Republican", or offensive and divisive.

255 [deleted]  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:26:14pm
256 faraway  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:26:18pm

re: #191 foxsecret

Watch out US military...here comes the "Fresh prince of William Bill Ayers!"

257 vagabond trader  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:26:24pm

Above his pay grade.

258 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:26:25pm

re: #231 HoosierHoops

I need to Staff out my puns

If they need to be muffled, merely use a Meineke.

259 LGoPs  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:26:29pm

re: #227 buzzdroid

says who? you do? congress? the u.s. army?


who organises the "medal of honor ball"?

is it not possible that his advisers deemed it to be too partisan?

Says decorum, decency and honor.....that's who says.

260 Bloodnok  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:26:30pm

0bama's explanation?: "Because I'm a scorpion"
/

261 Occasional Reader  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:26:54pm

re: #203 buzzdroid

i dunno -whatever his advisers organised for him...

Please fill in the following blank: The buck stops _________.

262 Soona'  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:26:55pm

re: #203 buzzdroid

i dunno -whatever his advisers organised for him...

this is trivial crap. what MATTERS is his policy decisions. THATS what matters.

Trivial? Fuck off!

263 Eowyn2  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:26:58pm

re: #175 Boxy_brown

MTV hope n' change "Youth Inaugural Ball" (TM) "with Kid Rock and Kaney West" or the American Legion’s “Salute to Heroes Inaugural Ball.”

Gee... Which one to attend?

Oh wait. there's the CiC ball. Thats about ME so I should attend that. Its cool, there's my military duty done.

264 formercorpsman  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:27:07pm

re: #237 formercorpsman

Furthermore, it obviously was precedent since it's inception.

Symbolically, he should have made an appearance.

If you can talk to fucking Iran without precondition, you can go say thank you to the men and women injured defending your freedom.

265 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:27:09pm

re: #239 buzzdroid

my original post that you are replying to did not refer to violence of any kind.

i trust that you will retract your statement. i just referred to "kos kids".

I will retract NOTHING, for the simple fact of what the KosKiddies for the past 8 years constantly did, posting assassination fantasies against GWB, amongst other vile things.

266 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:27:14pm

have a great afternoon all!

267 buzzdroid  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:27:19pm

re: #243 Occasional Reader

PARTISAN?! The Medal of Honor recipients are PARTISAN?!

was the ball funded by the U.S. military or the Republican Party?

maybe that ball was stuffed full of GOPers... ?

268 MandyManners  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:27:20pm

re: #250 Eowyn2

life is full of choices. you make good choices or bad choices
the
Neighborhood Ball - Many of whose attendies seem to live in Malibu. that's a Neighborhood I wouldnt mind having the bucks to move into.

It was about organizing for him, neighborhood by neighborhood.

269 pingjockey  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:27:20pm

re: #227 buzzdroid
Are you trying to piss me off? The military is not PARTISAN in public. You serve the constituition. The people who organize this Ball are all veterans orginizations.(sp) You can't advocate one party above another on base, shipboard, any frakkin' where.

270 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:28:02pm

re: #172 Kosh's Shadow

Once they figure out what shows to have. They were going to have Lions vs. Conservatives, but PETA thought that was cruel to the lions.

So does the NFL.

271 OldLineTexan  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:28:04pm

re: #246 redstateredneck

More eww.

MISSION ACCOMPLISHED!

272 buzzdroid  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:28:05pm

re: #265 FurryOldGuyJeans

I will retract NOTHING, for the simple fact of what the KosKiddies for the past 8 years constantly did, posting assassination fantasies against GWB, amongst other vile things.

yes - but i never suggested any of the sort - and you accused me of doing so.

i await your apology.

273 MJ  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:28:05pm

From 2005:

President Thanks Veterans For Service During Inaugural Ball

By Sgt. 1st Class Doug Sample, USA
American Forces Press Service

WASHINGTON, Jan. 21, 2005 – President Bush and first lady Laura Bush were greeted with resounding cheers as they made the first stop of their whirlwind tour of inaugural galas Jan. 20 at the Capital Hilton here.

At the "Salute to Heroes" inaugural ball, hundreds of veterans from across the country, along with their wives and families, greeted the president with a resounding show of support.

Vice President Richard Cheney and his wife, Lynne, stopped in later as they made their way through the inaugural circuit....

[Link: www.defenselink.mil...]

274 MandyManners  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:28:12pm

re: #267 buzzdroid

was the ball funded by the U.S. military or the Republican Party?

maybe that ball was stuffed full of GOPers... ?

READ THE ARTICLE!

275 Kragar  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:28:12pm

re: #227 buzzdroid

says who? you do? congress? the u.s. army?


who organises the "medal of honor ball"?

is it not possible that his advisers deemed it to be too partisan?

The American Legion sponsored the ball.

Are they to partisan? I can believe Obama's advisors would think so.

You're an idiot.

276 DeafDog  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:28:29pm

re: #203 buzzdroid

i dunno -whatever his advisers organised for him...

this is trivial crap. what MATTERS is his policy decisions. THATS what matters.

Well who was the idiot that picked these advisors?

277 jwb7605  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:28:48pm

re: #269 pingjockey

Are you trying to piss me off? The military is not PARTISAN in public. You serve the constituition. The people who organize this Ball are all veterans orginizations.(sp) You can't advocate one party above another on base, shipboard, any frakkin' where.

I was hoping he forgot his sarc tag, but that was fifty-odd comments ago.

278 Silhouette  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:28:51pm

re: #267 buzzdroid

was the ball funded by the U.S. military or the Republican Party?

maybe that ball was stuffed full of GOPers... ?

"Screw the dame vets...they probably voted GOP anyway."

279 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:29:14pm

Will he pull a Clinton, and keep people in uniform out of the White House?

/didn't he do that?

280 redstateredneck  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:29:42pm

re: #267 buzzdroid

was the ball funded by the U.S. military or the Republican Party?

maybe that ball was stuffed full of GOPers... ?

American Legion.

281 jwb7605  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:29:44pm

re: #276 DeafDog

Well who was the idiot that picked these advisors?

Good question. Let me upding you while I search for the answer.

282 formercorpsman  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:29:46pm

re: #267 buzzdroid

Multiple military service organizations.

Does it matter that all other Presidents have managed to fit it to their schedules before him? (for the last 56 years, that is)

283 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:29:59pm

re: #188 maddogg

Micheal Moore must be short stroking around his living room like a horny Chihuahua.

I hope Michael Yon sues his ass.

284 buzzdroid  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:30:08pm

re: #269 pingjockey

Are you trying to piss me off? The military is not PARTISAN in public. You serve the constituition. The people who organize this Ball are all veterans orginizations.(sp) You can't advocate one party above another on base, shipboard, any frakkin' where.

no -just being devils advocate...

i am a conservative. believe it or not.

just noticing that folks are taking chunks off obama the same way the kos kids took chunks off bush - for the smallest little things..

it DOES NOT MATTER one bit what ball he attends - what matters is his policy. period.

285 Occasional Reader  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:30:29pm

re: #267 buzzdroid

was the ball funded by the U.S. military or the Republican Party?

maybe that ball was stuffed full of GOPers... ?

I guess reading the link would be too much to ask of you?

286 loppyd  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:30:36pm

re: #267 buzzdroid

was the ball funded by the U.S. military or the Republican Party?

maybe that ball was stuffed full of GOPers... ?

Hey lazy ass.

Yeah those Paralyzed Veterans of America sure are partisan.

287 AuntAcid  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:30:36pm

re: #197 bellamags

f*cking sick visual, dude.

Bet its been awhile since he's seen it.

288 bellamags  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:30:37pm

re: #227 buzzdroid

says who? you do? congress? the u.s. army?

who organises the "medal of honor ball"?

is it not possible that his advisers deemed it to be too partisan?

OK first of all, it doesn't matter who fucking sponsored it.

289 marsl  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:30:43pm

Today, Lisbon Council Assembly approved a motion to became a town sister of Gaza.
Those idiots could also made Lisbon a town sister of Sderot, but I guess those civilians living in Sderot do not count.
Hamas propaganda got a victory today.
Today, I ashamed for being a Portuguese.

290 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:30:49pm

re: #272 buzzdroid

yes - but i never suggested any of the sort - and you accused me of doing so.

i await your apology.

You will have an extremely LONG time waiting then because no apology is forthcoming. You slurred all lizards here by comparing us to KosKiddies and I pointed out ONE instance where we collectively differ.

291 buzzdroid  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:30:55pm

re: #276 DeafDog

Well who was the idiot that picked these advisors?

yer man - emmanuel something.. press guru PR svengali chap...

292 LGoPs  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:30:57pm

re: #267 buzzdroid

was the ball funded by the U.S. military or the Republican Party?

maybe that ball was stuffed full of GOPers... ?

And maybe it just had an assembly of heroes.......sheesh

293 loppyd  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:31:03pm

re: #284 buzzdroid

i am a conservative. believe it or not.


NOT

294 MandyManners  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:31:04pm

Again, I'm gonna' hafta' walk away from the computer before I go ape-shit crazy.

295 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:31:11pm

re: #272 buzzdroid

yes - but i never suggested any of the sort - and you accused me of doing so.

i await your apology.

It seemed to me that he was using that example to illustrate that Lizards = kos kids is an invalid comparison, and not accusing you of anything.

296 notutopia  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:31:25pm

Buzz,
WTF? Our military and War heroes are from all political parties. They are not partisan.
Obama had to make a choice of what balls to attend.
He is responsible now for his actions. Can't vote
present anymore.
This was a purposeful slight of major proportions, seeing that he is the Commander in Chief.
He fucked up!

297 redstateredneck  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:31:33pm

I'm outta here.
Later, lizards.

298 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:31:34pm

re: #274 MandyManners

READ THE ARTICLE!

Why let FACTS stand in the way of AGENDA? That would be the FAIR thing to do.

299 Guanxi88  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:31:36pm

re: #289 marsl

Today, Lisbon Council Assembly approved a motion to became a town sister of Gaza.
Those idiots could also made Lisbon a town sister of Sderot, but I guess those civilians living in Sderot do not count.
Hamas propaganda got a victory today.
Today, I ashamed for being a Portuguese.

Hey, I don't think these morons should cause you any shame. here in the states, the Lisbonians tend to tilt left, too.

300 nyc redneck  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:31:51pm

he really is in over his head as commander in chief.
he didn't even know what memorial day was when he gave a speech commemorating the holiday.
he looked out at the room and said he sees many of the soldiers in the audience who we honor on this day. gack
he does not have an understanding of even the basics of our military history.
he has said cringe inducing stupid stuff on so many occasions.
he is ignorant, uneducated in what america is really all abt.
his uncle liberated auschwitz (w/ the russian army,lol) and then he came home and went up in the attic for 6 months. (can we say LIAR.)
and lets not forget how he discussed the "bomb' that dropped on pearl harbor.
lol, hasn't the fool even seen a ww2 movie, ever?
disgraceful.

301 jwb7605  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:31:55pm

re: #284 buzzdroid

no -just being devils advocate...

i am a conservative. believe it or not.

just noticing that folks are taking chunks off obama the same way the kos kids took chunks off bush - for the smallest little things..

it DOES NOT MATTER one bit what ball he attends - what matters is his policy. period.

What matters is perception. Period.
The perception is that he decided the Medal of Honor recipients were not as important.
Anybody know of a link listing the balls that WERE important?

302 JacksonTn  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:32:00pm

re: #284 buzzdroid

no -just being devils advocate...

i am a conservative. believe it or not.

just noticing that folks are taking chunks off obama the same way the kos kids took chunks off bush - for the smallest little things..

it DOES NOT MATTER one bit what ball he attends - what matters is his policy. period.

You said you were conservative but still many conservatives voted for him or he would not have won ...just sayin ...you seem kinda touchy about him ...he should have gone to the ball ...what is more important ...men and women who gave so much for their country or BET Ball? ...

303 Guanxi88  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:32:00pm

re: #294 MandyManners

Again, I'm gonna' hafta' walk away from the computer before I go ape-shit crazy.

Please, Mandy, please stay.

304 OldLineTexan  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:32:12pm

re: #289 marsl

Today, Lisbon Council Assembly approved a motion to became a town sister of Gaza.
Those idiots could also made Lisbon a town sister of Sderot, but I guess those civilians living in Sderot do not count.
Hamas propaganda got a victory today.
Today, I ashamed for being a Portuguese.

Y'all have an extra rooster for your new sister city? Let's make some lemonade out of this lemon.

305 [deleted]  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:32:48pm
306 buzzdroid  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:32:48pm

re: #286 loppyd

Hey lazy ass.

Yeah those Paralyzed Veterans of America sure are partisan.

and i thank them personally for their service. seriously - i really do.


i just think this is a diversion folks. what matters is his policy... and there will be a lot of this diversion stuff in the years to come.

New Labour in the UK are experts in this...

307 OldLineTexan  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:32:50pm

re: #298 FurryOldGuyJeans

Why let FACTS stand in the way of AGENDA? That would be the FAIR thing to do.

Once again, someone applies WWAP.

/

308 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:32:52pm

bbl

309 Marvo76  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:32:55pm

re: #275 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

The American Legion sponsored the ball.

Are they to partisan? I can believe Obama's advisors would think so.

You're an idiot.


Of course it was partisan, there wasn't one communist/socialist in the whole group!//

310 pingjockey  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:33:04pm

re: #284 buzzdroid
Yes I will take chunks off obambi for dissin' the troops. As for policy, isn't his policy clear? Fuck the military, listen to Bill Ayers and commence the socialist revision of the capitalist pigs.

311 Spare O'Lake  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:33:17pm

re: #249 OldLineTexan

Aw, have a little symphony for the guy. He might get band.

No way. I'll guitar - you get feathers.

312 Silhouette  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:33:20pm

re: #300 nyc redneck

He thought the UN could rein in Russia, because no one ever explained the whole permanent member of the security council with veto privilege thing.

313 faraway  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:33:20pm

This will be the first ball that Palin attends.

314 OldLineTexan  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:33:30pm

re: #309 Marvo76

Of course it was partisan, there wasn't one communist/socialist in the whole group!//

Just a string of ears.

/

315 Occasional Reader  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:33:31pm

re: #299 Guanxi88

Hey, I don't think these morons should cause you any shame. here in the states, the Lisbonians tend to tilt left, too.

I've been to Lisbon. I guess that makes me Lisbonian-curious.

316 formercorpsman  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:33:35pm

re: #291 buzzdroid

I have posted numerous items without response.

You are correct, policy does matter.

Is there symbolism in his being the first black president of this country?

317 Guanxi88  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:33:44pm

re: #304 OldLineTexan

Y'all have an extra rooster for your new sister city? Let's make some lemonade out of this lemon.

Now that's funny, right there. But if past performance is any guide, HAMAS would find some way to weaponize the rooster. Hell, they turned freakin' sewer pipes into rocket casings, drowning their own people in filth, there's just no telling what they would do with a rooster.

318 pink freud  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:33:45pm

Bush was all about supporting the military. Obama is working hard (see the new whitehouse.gove website yet?) to distance himself form anything that resembles Bush, therefore he did not attend because that would have seemed too Bush-like.

I wouldn't be surprised if he conducted one of his polls to gauge reaction to his attendance.

He's got people to please and they're not the ones who support the military.

319 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:34:13pm

re: #284 buzzdroid

Shitting on veterans and active duty is the policy now if you hadn't noticed.

320 JHW  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:34:16pm

re: #267 buzzdroid

The American Legion and VFW are non-partisan and have endorsed candidates in both parties.

321 Guanxi88  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:34:45pm

re: #310 pingjockey

As for policy, isn't his policy clear? Fuck the military, listen to Bill Ayers and commence the socialist revision of the capitalist pigs.

I thought it was "off the pigs." Isn't that what Ayers et al were always saying? Or am I thinking of another song?

322 Boxy_brown  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:34:58pm

re: #284 buzzdroid

"t DOES NOT MATTER one bit what ball he attends - what matters is his policy. period."

I just advised my nephew who just graduated from College not to go into the Navy, the first one of us not to do a stint in the service in generations. Things like this matter, and they add up.

323 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:35:04pm

re: #307 OldLineTexan

Once again, someone applies WWAP.

/

Is that in the lgf dictionary? I sure come up short in understanding at the moment regarding WWAP.

324 MandyManners  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:35:11pm

CBBHO on gutting the militiary.

325 OldLineTexan  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:35:21pm

re: #317 Guanxi88

Now that's funny, right there. But if past performance is any guide, HAMAS would find some way to weaponize the rooster. Hell, they turned freakin' sewer pipes into rocket casings, drowning their own people in filth, there's just no telling what they would do with a rooster.

Soup is my first guess.

I have been advocating this for some time, much to more tender-hearted Lizard's dismay.

326 Eowyn2  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:35:22pm

re: #212 Marvo76

I don't think we would have that problem here, although He might have to order the Military to put down civial insurrection...I wonder how many would follow that order these days?

I dont think we will have that kind of problem here, in this 1/2 century either. We still have legal recourse open on all fronts. I just dont see why he would even say it. Does he actually believe that we need platoons upon platoons of 'citizen police?' Is it something he used to energize his voting youths because they feel that the regular police force is dissing them and therefore they can fight back? What was the motivation?

327 S'latch  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:35:26pm

balls

328 jwb7605  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:35:33pm

re: #320 JHW

The American Legion and VFW are non-partisan and have endorsed candidates in both parties.

You a member too? I joined because they sponsored our Cub Scout pack, and never quit.

329 buzzdroid  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:35:35pm

re: #293 loppyd

NOT

i am scared by this.
and this is on Day One..

[Link: www.whitehouse.gov...]


its like something out of Pravda...

330 eschew_obfuscation  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:35:39pm

re: #267 buzzdroid

was the ball funded by the U.S. military or the Republican Party?

maybe that ball was stuffed full of GOPers... ?

Funded by the American Legion! Next....

331 faraway  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:35:40pm

Taranto WSJ discussing Kos himself

Kos:
Our version of patriotism is a celebration of what makes our nation great. It's the diversity, our people, our communities. Rather than confrontational, it's communitarian.

We don't need to start wars and kick someone's ass to feel proud to be American.

Taranto:
In other words, the Angry Left doesn't need foreign enemies. They're perfectly content to hate their fellow Americans who disagree with them.

332 pink freud  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:35:51pm

re: #284 buzzdroid

He is the Commander in Chief. Snubbing this makes a statement. LOUD AND CLEAR. That was his intent.

Policy matters, yes .....but not exclusively.

333 DeafDog  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:35:52pm

re: #284 buzzdroid

it DOES NOT MATTER one bit what ball he attends - what matters is his policy. period.

I'm not following your logic.

Does it matter how a person dresses? IMO it does because it shows respect for situation. Do you say differently?

334 notutopia  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:35:56pm

The TEN balls the Obamas attended
[Link: www.novinite.com...]

335 pingjockey  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:36:01pm

re: #321 Guanxi88
Yep. Except now Ayers and his crowd are the "Establishment". God help us all.

336 Occasional Reader  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:36:04pm

re: #323 FurryOldGuyJeans

Is that in the lgf dictionary? I sure come up short in understanding at the moment regarding WWAP.

It's a sound effect from the old "Batman" t.v. series fight scenes.

/

337 Render  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:36:08pm

re: #284 buzzdroid

Would the Prime Minister intentionally snub a traditionally attended none-political ball for Victoria Cross winners?

YOUR
COURT,
R

338 capitalist piglet  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:36:18pm

re: #291 buzzdroid

yer man - emmanuel something.. press guru PR svengali chap...

Are you even an American?

339 loppyd  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:36:20pm

re: #306 buzzdroid

and i thank them personally for their service. seriously - i really do.

i just think this is a diversion folks. what matters is his policy... and there will be a lot of this diversion stuff in the years to come.

New Labour in the UK are experts in this...

His policies will have a direct impact on current and future veterans.

As The Glowbama once cheekily joked, you can put lipstick on a pig....

340 vagabond trader  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:36:23pm

re: #279 Ward Cleaver

Hilary tried to prohibit military attache' personnel working at the White House from wearing uniforms. It did not fly.

341 Guanxi88  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:36:24pm

re: #325 OldLineTexan

Soup is my first guess.

I have been advocating this for some time, much to more tender-hearted Lizard's dismay.

If it's food, HAMAS'll steal it and sell it at jacked up prices and/or at gunpoint.

342 MandyManners  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:36:35pm

re: #323 FurryOldGuyJeans

Is that in the lgf dictionary? I sure come up short in understanding at the moment regarding WWAP.

WhatWouldAvantiPost?

343 capitalist piglet  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:36:43pm

re: #294 MandyManners

Again, I'm gonna' hafta' walk away from the computer before I go ape-shit crazy.

Ditto that.

344 [deleted]  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:36:46pm
345 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:36:46pm

re: #324 MandyManners

CBBHO on gutting the militiary.


[Video]

Facts to be ignored in pursuit of Agenda, Mandy.

346 newsjunkie_ky  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:36:56pm

The zero gets no pass from me. He has already demonstrated what his administration will be and it's not going to bode well for the military.

347 Dianna  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:36:57pm

I cannot believe he did this.

Yet he did.

It's telling me all I need to know about him.

348 OldLineTexan  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:36:57pm

re: #323 FurryOldGuyJeans

Is that in the lgf dictionary? I sure come up short in understanding at the moment regarding WWAP.

It's a new candidate...

What
Would
Avanti
Post
?

It's kind of sticking your fingers in your cyber-ears and typing LALALALALALA I CAN'T HEAR YOU as loudly as possible. Then running off in a huff.

I think it has legs, I really do.

349 marsl  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:37:08pm

re: #317 Guanxi88

Now that's funny, right there. But if past performance is any guide, HAMAS would find some way to weaponize the rooster. Hell, they turned freakin' sewer pipes into rocket casings, drowning their own people in filth, there's just no telling what they would do with a rooster.

Well, I can only be thankful for not being a Lisbonian or living or working in Lisbon...

Damn, if was not for BENFICA, all that city could sunk in the ocean. I would not care.

350 formercorpsman  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:37:10pm

re: #344 buzzsawmonkey


You and me both.

351 buzzdroid  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:37:26pm

re: #322 Boxy_brown

I just advised my nephew who just graduated from College not to go into the Navy, the first one of us not to do a stint in the service in generations. Things like this matter, and they add up.

i think thats bad advice. to be honest - if your family has a history of service to your country, it shouldnt stop just because of some president you elect.

service should be beyond that. shouldnt it?


(but i respect your decision...)

352 MandyManners  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:37:39pm

re: #291 buzzdroid

yer man - emmanuel something.. press guru PR svengali chap...

CBBHO chose his own advisors.

353 JHW  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:37:44pm

re: #328 jwb7605

Yeah, joined the VFW in "68, I was still in the Army then. It's a good organization, especially since they've weeded out a lot of the fakes.

354 Dustyvet  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:37:53pm

re: #162 Soona'

This isn't new. Didn't he shit on vets at least twice during the campaign?

yup...

355 faraway  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:37:56pm

I heard this guy was one ball short

356 eschew_obfuscation  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:37:59pm

re: #284 buzzdroid

no -just being devils advocate...

i am a conservative. believe it or not.

just noticing that folks are taking chunks off obama the same way the kos kids took chunks off bush - for the smallest little things..

it DOES NOT MATTER one bit what ball he attends - what matters is his policy. period.

You're missing a large piece of conservative DNA. It very much DOES matter that he show support for those he would ask to "Serve" from our population or who have already served.

Those people deserve some thanks and respect from their commander in chief, not a snub such as they got.

357 loppyd  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:38:00pm

re: #347 Dianna

I cannot believe he did this.

Yet he did.

It's telling me all I need to know about him.

I knew all I needed to know ages ago.

358 kansas  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:38:01pm

I note there was the Congressional Black Caucus Innaugural. Will there be a Congressional White Caucus now?

359 MandyManners  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:38:07pm

re: #344 buzzsawmonkey

Why people insist on saying this assclown doesn't mean what he says is beyond me.

When a man tells you who he is and what he will do, you better believe him.

360 pink freud  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:38:12pm

re: #284 buzzdroid

I am sick of the remarks referencing the Kos Kiddies. WE ARE NOT KOS. On our worst day here, there is zero similarity. SO STOP ALREADY.

361 redc1c4  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:38:16pm

re: #31 MisterCookie

What's the strongest insult I can use against this Marxist asshat without getting banned? I guess asshat will do.

try "mendoucheous twatwaffle"......

362 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:38:21pm

re: #342 MandyManners

WhatWouldAvantiPost?

Ah HA! Trying to catch all the new acronyms is a full time job! ;)

363 Dianna  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:38:35pm

re: #346 newsjunkie_ky

The zero gets no pass from me. He has already demonstrated what his administration will be and it's not going to bode well for the military.

It doesn't bode well for the country, period.

At least we have the serenity of not having voted for him.

364 bulwrk  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:38:37pm

I assume there were some WWII and Korean War vets at the ball who may not be with us for the next one to slight them like that is worse than despicable.

365 buzzdroid  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:38:43pm

re: #333 DeafDog

I'm not following your logic.

Does it matter how a person dresses? IMO it does because it shows respect for situation. Do you say differently?

because there were so many balls to attend on one night?

bound to let somebody down...

thats all.

i think the issue is trivial. what matters is what he does as president. this is trivial crap..

366 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:38:54pm

re: #342 MandyManners

WhatWouldAvantiPost?

So, does WWCP mean "What Would Cognito Post?"

367 Render  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:39:10pm

re: #351 buzzdroid

Nice...

I got the same advice from my father after the four year Carter quagmire debacle.

NEXT,
R

368 akak  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:39:14pm

Caring more about 9-11 confessors rights and not attending this ball go hand in hand I'd say, not diversion or shocking at all.

369 capitalist piglet  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:39:21pm

re: #360 pink freud

I am sick of the remarks referencing the Kos Kiddies. WE ARE NOT KOS. On our worst day here, there is zero similarity. SO STOP ALREADY.

I don't think this person is an American, so it's all starting to make sense.

370 [deleted]  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:39:27pm
371 JacksonTn  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:39:34pm

re: #365 buzzdroid

because there were so many balls to attend on one night?

bound to let somebody down...

thats all.

i think the issue is trivial. what matters is what he does as president. this is trivial crap..

He chose wrong ...

372 DeafDog  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:39:37pm

re: #291 buzzdroid

yer man - emmanuel something.. press guru PR svengali chap...

That's equivicating. Obama is responsible for his staff and he's responsible for them, too.

A dollar-story politician brushes off mistakes by saying, "my staff screwed up"

A leader says, "the buck stops here."

373 buzzdroid  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:39:39pm

re: #360 pink freud

I am sick of the remarks referencing the Kos Kiddies. WE ARE NOT KOS. On our worst day here, there is zero similarity. SO STOP ALREADY.

jeez - i know you arent.

just warning against the REVERSE of "bush derangement syndrome" developing..

we're better than that.

374 Soona'  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:39:44pm

re: #275 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

The American Legion sponsored the ball.

Are they to partisan? I can believe Obama's advisors would think so.

You're an idiot.

Yes. Buzz is an idiot. His mentality is the same as Dicky Durbin, Nancy Peelosi, Dingy Harry as well as the anointed zero. You're disgusting, Buzz.

375 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:39:48pm

re: #275 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

The American Legion sponsored the ball.

Are they to partisan? I can believe Obama's advisors would think so.

You're an idiot.

Sure. It is the American Legion, not the United Nations Legion, or the We are the World Legion.
To the 0, being American is partisan.
/I wish this could be sarc

376 MandyManners  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:39:53pm

re: #345 FurryOldGuyJeans

Facts to be ignored in pursuit of Agenda, Mandy.

All I can do is shake my head in frustration and wonderment.

377 Guanxi88  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:39:58pm

re: #361 redc1c4

try "mendoucheous twatwaffle"......

Oooh! That's good, that's very good.

378 Dianna  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:40:10pm

re: #357 loppyd

I knew all I needed to know ages ago.

Sigh. Yes.

But it's definitely undercutting my personal desire to wait and see about him.

379 whiterasta  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:40:11pm

re: #325 OldLineTexan

MMMMMMM.... Cock Soup!

[Link: www.buygracefoods.com...]

380 Bloodnok  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:40:20pm

re: #284 buzzdroid

no -just being devils advocate...

i am a conservative. believe it or not.

just noticing that folks are taking chunks off obama the same way the kos kids took chunks off bush - for the smallest little things..

it DOES NOT MATTER one bit what ball he attends - what matters is his policy. period.


Decorum MATTERS. Respect MATTERS.

381 kansas  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:40:28pm

re: #373 buzzdroid

jeez - i know you arent.

just warning against the REVERSE of "bush derangement syndrome" developing..

we're better than that.

Yeah. Everytime Ted Kennedy has a seizure, this becomes the site of wishing him and his family well.

382 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:40:36pm

re: #366 Walter L. Newton

So, does WWCP mean "What Would Cognito Post?"

Does seem to fit the general flow.

383 buzzdroid  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:40:41pm

re: #369 capitalist piglet

I don't think this person is an American, so it's all starting to make sense.

i'm not. uk here.

384 formercorpsman  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:40:42pm

Someone avoiding my comment, like the MOH ball.

Goodnight folks.

385 pink freud  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:40:48pm

re: #347 Dianna

I cannot believe he did this.

Yet he did.

It's telling me all I need to know about him.

He told us all we needed to know before the election.

I have to admit, I am surprised - especially here - by what is being posted. Why is this surprising to anyone?

386 MandyManners  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:41:11pm

re: #365 buzzdroid

what matters is what he does as president.

He chose to snub disabled veterans while president.

387 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:41:26pm

re: #376 MandyManners

All I can do is shake my head in frustration and wonderment.

Infinitely better than banging your head against the desk or wall in frustration and wonderment. ;)

388 MandyManners  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:41:29pm

re: #366 Walter L. Newton

So, does WWCP mean "What Would Cognito Post?"

Don't invoke!

389 redc1c4  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:41:48pm

re: #351 buzzdroid

i think thats bad advice. to be honest - if your family has a history of service to your country, it shouldnt stop just because of some president you elect.

service should be beyond that. shouldnt it?

(but i respect your decision...)

not necessarily. it might make more sense for a young person to wait a few years, then enlist.

assuming, of course, that Juggy doesn't completely gut the military and deliberatly lose the GWOT.

390 Boxy_brown  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:41:58pm

re: #351 buzzdroid


i think thats bad advice. to be honest


Serving under someone who treats your dedication with scorn? If you think it is bad advice you are welcome to enlist. Something tells me you wont. Indeed, much like Obama that's something for someone else to do.

391 Dianna  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:42:05pm

re: #365 buzzdroid

I can't agree. It's not trivial.

Even if it were, how does one judge character, except by a series of apparently trivial acts?

392 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:42:09pm

re: #383 buzzdroid

i'm not. uk here.

Makes perfect sense now.

Troll or sockpuppet.

393 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:42:14pm

re: #388 MandyManners

Don't invoke!

What. Don't invoke what? What did I do?

394 Eowyn2  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:42:20pm

re: #268 MandyManners

It was about organizing for him, neighborhood by neighborhood.


and there were so many people there that he felt the need to really organize them again - prior to his next presidential run?

395 eschew_obfuscation  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:42:30pm

re: #351 buzzdroid

i think thats bad advice. to be honest - if your family has a history of service to your country, it shouldnt stop just because of some president you elect.

service should be beyond that. shouldnt it?

(but i respect your decision...)

This decision has to have come from a concern that Obama will not support the military when his son could be in harms way. We saw enough of that with Johnson during Vietnam to never want to see it again. Obama has shown that those who served are not of much interest to him by skipping out on the ball.

I don't blame anyone who would give this advice to a son or daughter now.

396 Guanxi88  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:42:36pm

re: #393 Walter L. Newton

What. Don't invoke what? What did I do?

Those of whom we do not speak.

397 newsjunkie_ky  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:42:41pm

re: #363 Dianna

It doesn't bode well for the country, period.

At least we have the serenity of not having voted for him.


You are right. I will not visit the White House site anymore. It sickens me to see what they have done.

398 Boxy_brown  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:42:54pm

re: #365 buzzdroid

because there were so many balls to attend on one night?

bound to let somebody down...

thats all.

Stupid, selfish choice of who to let down.

399 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:42:55pm

re: #386 MandyManners

He chose to snub disabled veterans while president.

Facts to ignore in pursuit of Agenda, Mandy.

(Damn, I sound like a skipping CD)

400 nyc redneck  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:42:57pm

he is anti-military.
he is uncomfortable around brave men and women.
he doesn't value the military because he thinks he can wish peace into existence.
he is after all a lighworker and wants to unleash his own powers.
the military is a direct threat to his personal strengths as the messiah.
he is anti-war, and is sure he can reason peace. just will it.
and because he considers himself a great intellectual, he looks down on the military.

he is our commander in chief.
this is a bad joke.

401 formercorpsman  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:42:58pm

re: #393 Walter L. Newton

I see you cookie jar boy.

Take it easy.

402 MandyManners  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:42:59pm

re: #383 buzzdroid

i'm not. uk here.

In America, we HONOR our vets.

403 Son of the Black Dog  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:43:13pm

re: #174 Eowyn2

I'll bet you five bucks that it becomes a trial balloon around Memorial Day.

Whether the trial balloon will be lifted more than five feet will depend entirely on the gas of the senate and house.

Getting carried away = planning to hire 1 million more cops
Jumping the shark = planning a civilian enforcement group responsible to the president of the US which equals the country's military.

Is he afraid of a military coup?

Who would Obama get to man a civilian defense force? Veterans? Hunters? Firearm owners? Retired LEO's? Like those folks are going to be loyal to him when the balloon goes up? Most of the moonbats I know would wet their pants if I even showed them a firearm - much less know which end the bullets come out of.

404 redc1c4  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:43:13pm

re: #358 kansas

I note there was the Congressional Black Caucus Innaugural. Will there be a Congressional White Caucus now?

no, because *that* would be racist.

405 MandyManners  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:43:16pm

re: #393 Walter L. Newton

What. Don't invoke what? What did I do?

Shhhhhhhhhhhhh.

406 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:43:35pm

re: #393 Walter L. Newton

What. Don't invoke what? What did I do?

The Name! Don't say the Name to Invoke Media Boy! ;)

407 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:43:36pm

re: #396 Guanxi88

Those of whom we do not speak.

You mean we are not speaking to Cognito anymore? How did I miss the memo?

408 pingjockey  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:43:49pm

re: #365 buzzdroid
As a retired veteran I most assuredly tell you that to the troops this is not trivial. I am not a great writer but here goes....Those men and women at that ball have seen things that are not describable. They have a love for this country that defies explaining. I and they have seen people give their "last full measure" for this country. For the Commander in Chief not to attend is an afront to everyone who has worn, is wearing and may wear the uniform of this countrys armed forces. IT IS WRONG!

409 [deleted]  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:43:57pm
410 kansas  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:44:02pm

re: #394 Eowyn2

and there were so many people there that he felt the need to really organize them again - prior to his next presidential run?

I'm pretty sure at this time during George Bush's first term MSNBC was asking what the Democrats could do to regain control? I'm not seeing any questions to the loyal opposition now.

411 loppyd  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:44:11pm

re: #365 buzzdroid

because there were so many balls to attend on one night?

bound to let somebody down...

thats all.

i think the issue is trivial. what matters is what he does as president. this is trivial crap..

Then you skip something like the Neighborhood Ball.

I can assure you it is not trivial crap to the paralyzed veterans.

412 Efoster  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:44:11pm

I would like to say something snide, but the list of balls he did attend was long, how does one go to that many in one day?

I will say this, he should have gone to the heros ball instead of one of the others. He needs to rethink his priorities.

413 JacksonTn  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:44:14pm

Kinda reminds me of ole Billy Ayers when the FOX reporter went to interview him and he was avoiding him and then called the cops on the reporter ...sure go ahead and disrespect them ...but who you gonna call when our enemies are trying to cut the head off of someone in your family ...OUR SOLDIERS and he better never forget it ...

414 Son of the Black Dog  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:44:26pm

Damn, you can get a long way behind if you actually read the posts.

415 DeafDog  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:44:27pm

re: #306 buzzdroid

and i thank them personally for their service. seriously - i really do.


i just think this is a diversion folks. what matters is his policy... and there will be a lot of this diversion stuff in the years to come.

New Labour in the UK are experts in this...


Policy matters for sure.

But what also matters is making an appearance to demonstrate the conviction of your words.

For example, when there is a natural disasaster, we expect a president to go and review the situation personally. This is one area where Bush rightly deserves criticism post Katrina. He did not make an appearance.

Likewise, Obama has give a lot of polical speeches about caring for veterans. His not showing makes me think that it was just lip service, which is what I suspected all along!

416 Kragar  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:44:33pm

re: #389 redc1c4

not necessarily. it might make more sense for a young person to wait a few years, then enlist.

assuming, of course, that Juggy doesn't completely gut the military and deliberatly lose the GWOT.

The GWOT does not fit with the current policy of hopey-changeyness. It will now be referred under is new policy name of Appease-apalooza.

The kids love it.

417 jwb7605  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:44:34pm

re: #389 redc1c4

not necessarily. it might make more sense for a young person to wait a few years, then enlist.

assuming, of course, that Juggy doesn't completely gut the military and deliberatly lose the GWOT.

44 will not deliberately lose the GWOT.
I do think he'll increase "negotiations", though.
If the GWOT gets worse, it still won't be lost, just worse. (campaign slogan)

Only Iraq was lost.
- Harry Reid

418 capitalist piglet  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:44:35pm

re: #383 buzzdroid

i'm not. uk here.

Well, now I understand where all this is coming from. Thank you for your answer.

I don't know what it's like there - I've never even visited - but in America, the majority of us hold our military heroes in the highest regard. That is why we are all so offended by this snub.

If I were you, I'd accept that people here are unhappy about it, and quit trying to convince us we're wrong. We're not. We just think like Americans.

419 pink freud  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:44:41pm

re: #373 buzzdroid

jeez - i know you arent.

just warning against the REVERSE of "bush derangement syndrome" developing..

we're better than that.

Seeing a person clearly for what he is ---- based on his actions, not some psychological derangement --- and then discussing it rationally is NOT the reverse of Bush Derangement Syndrome.

It's reality.

420 [deleted]  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:44:43pm
421 [deleted]  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:44:44pm
422 redc1c4  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:44:48pm

re: #382 FurryOldGuyJeans

Does seem to fit the general flow.

considering the general content of their posts, "flow" is a most appropriate term.

423 Dianna  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:44:58pm

re: #385 pink freud

He told us all we needed to know before the election.

I have to admit, I am surprised - especially here - by what is being posted. Why is this surprising to anyone?

I had a faint hope that he would straighten up; that he would be made better by the responsibility of the office.

It was, I must emphasize, a faint hope.

I'm sorry it was disappointed so very soon.

424 buzzdroid  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:45:01pm

re: #374 Soona'

Yes. Buzz is an idiot. His mentality is the same as Dicky Durbin, Nancy Peelosi, Dingy Harry as well as the anointed zero. You're disgusting, Buzz.

lets keep personal insults to the Democrats please. i thought we were above that.

there is a reason why he didnt attend the American Legion ball - lets find out why,rather than jumping to Kos Kid conclusions...

thats all i'm saying.

425 MandyManners  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:45:12pm

re: #394 Eowyn2

and there were so many people there that he felt the need to really organize them again - prior to his next presidential run?

We all know what that ball was about. It was about his job as a communitiy organizer.

In 1985, Barack Obama traveled halfway across the country to take a job that he didn't fully understand. But, while he knew little about his new vocation--community organizer--it still had a romantic ring, at least to his 24-year-old ears. With his old classmates from Columbia, he had talked frequently about political change. Now, he was moving to Chicago to put that talk into action. His 1995 memoir, Dreams from My Father, recounts his idealistic effusions: "Change won't come from the top, I would say. Change will come from a mobilized grass roots. That's what I'll do. I'll organize black folks. At the grass roots. For change."

His excitement wasn't rooted merely in youthful enthusiasm but also in the psychology of a vagabond. By 1985, Obama had already lived in Hawaii, where he was born and raised by his white mother and grandparents; Indonesia, where he lived briefly as a child; Los Angeles, where he started college; and New York, where he finished it. After these itinerant years, he would finally be able to insinuate himself into a community--and not just any community, but, as he later put it, "the capital of the African American community in the country." Every strain of black political thought seemed to converge in Chicago in the 1980s. It was the intellectual center of black nationalism, the base both for Jesse Jackson's presidential campaigns and for Louis Farrakhan's Nation of Islam. Moreover, on the eve of Obama's arrival, Harold Washington had overthrown Richard J. Daley's white ethnic machine to become the city's first black mayor. It was, in short, an ideal place for an identity-starved Kenyan Kansan to immerse himself in a more typical black American experience.

Not long after Obama arrived, he sat down for a cup of coffee in Hyde Park with a fellow organizer named Mike Kruglik. Obama's work focused on helping poor blacks on Chicago's South Side fight the city for things like job banks and asbestos removal. His teachers were schooled in a style of organizing devised by Saul Alinsky, the radical University of Chicago-trained social scientist. At the heart of the Alinsky method is the concept of "agitation"-- making someone angry enough about the rotten state of his life that he agrees to take action to change it; or, as Alinsky himself described the job, to "rub raw the sores of discontent."

On this particular evening, Kruglik was debriefing Obama about his work when a panhandler approached. Instead of ignoring the man, Obama confronted him. "Now, young man, is that really what you want to be about?" Obama demanded. "I mean, come on, don't you want to be better than that? Let's get yourself together."

Kruglik remembers this episode as an example of why, in ten years of training organizers, Obama was the best student he ever had. He was a natural, the undisputed master of agitation, who could engage a room full of recruiting targets in a rapid-fire Socratic dialogue, nudging them to admit that they were not living up to their own standards. As with the panhandler, he could be aggressive and confrontational. With probing, sometimes personal questions, he would pinpoint the source of pain in their lives, tearing down their egos just enough before dangling a carrot of hope that they could make things better.

SNIP

426 HoosierHoops  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:45:23pm

re: #388 MandyManners

Don't invoke!

You gotta say his name 3 times..Then poof! he appears.

427 loppyd  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:45:30pm

re: #421 taxfreekiller

Its a large universe, there are bound to be large ass holes in such a large universe.

TFK you will help me get through these next four years.

428 DeafDog  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:45:32pm

re: #307 OldLineTexan

Once again, someone applies WWAP.

/

Maybe it's an inside joke, for now, but I got it.

429 buzzdroid  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:45:52pm

re: #386 MandyManners

He chose to snub disabled veterans while president.

he did that during the campaign too. snubbed a visit to a wounded soldiers hospital in Germany...

430 Guanxi88  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:46:02pm

re: #407 Walter L. Newton

You mean we are not speaking to Cognito anymore? How did I miss the memo?

No, no, no. "Those of whom we do not speak" is the term applied in the movie "The Village" to mythical monsters. Evidently, discussing, naming, etc., of these monsters was, in part responsible for invoking them. Similarly, there's the old "Speak of the devil, and up he pops!"

I think it's some rough, snarky shooting at Cognito. You can imagine his take on this would be every bit as frustrating as that of our alleged Britisher who reminds us all to be better than the Kossacks we so closely resemble.

431 Spare O'Lake  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:46:05pm

re: #344 buzzsawmonkey

Why people insist on saying this assclown doesn't mean what he says is beyond me.

I think the answer is in Rwanda - the source of denial.

432 RubyTuesday  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:46:22pm

re: #152 Arlemagne

I thought you were channeling "Shaft" which would be apropos, beings how the O-tard is about to give us 4 years of exactly that.

433 HoosierHoops  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:46:29pm

re: #421 taxfreekiller

Its a large universe, there are bound to be large ass holes in such a large universe.

Black Holes?

434 jwb7605  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:46:29pm

re: #393 Walter L. Newton

What. Don't invoke what? What did I do?

Your buddy. You know the one. Or would you prefer to remain incognito on the matter?

435 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:46:33pm

re: #402 MandyManners

In America, we HONOR our vets.

A lot in the UK do too, dear Mandy.

Some chose to be "devil's advocate" and shit on their heroes, though.

436 JHW  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:46:34pm

re: #383 buzzdroid

i'm not. uk here.

Sincere question. In the UK , does the Royal British Legion, (as I understand, the UK veteran's organization) get involved in politics?

437 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:46:36pm

re: #215 Slumbering Behemoth

I dunno, towards the end of B.J. Clinton's first term I was certain, absolutely certain, that "We The People" couldn't possibly be dumb enough to give him a second term. So much for certainty.

But the interwebs wasn't no where near the powerful media tool that it is today. Hmmm....

/there I go, talking to myself again

438 Soona'  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:46:48pm

re: #338 capitalist piglet

Are you even an American?

You just read my mind. Hey buzz. Are you an American? You don't sound like one.

439 Silhouette  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:46:56pm

This was a $150 million dollar production. Every detail was sweated and was intentional. There is no other conclusion than that he specifically chose not to attend.

Probably for just the "apology" offered - he considers the US military to not be "his" people.

And that's what sucks about him.

440 Temujin  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:47:15pm

It's just amazing, how quickly President Obama is fulfilling the expectations I had of him.

How could I ever have doubted him!

/

441 Guanxi88  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:47:28pm

re: #426 HoosierHoops

You gotta say his name 3 times..Then poof! he appears.

Biggie Smalls, Biggie Smalls, Biggie ....aw, I can't do it.

442 MandyManners  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:47:34pm

re: #429 buzzdroid

he did that during the campaign too. snubbed a visit to a wounded soldiers hospital in Germany...

That was bad enough but, he was not the Commander-in-Chief of the military then.

443 Kragar  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:47:56pm

Beware the poster whose name we dare not speak!

444 Achilles Tang  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:48:15pm

We know he is a pragmatist when it comes to playing politics, and that includes winning the election. This seems puzzling and I'm inclined to call it a staff screwup. It will be interesting to see what answers the pundits get.

445 Boxy_brown  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:48:52pm

re: #429 buzzdroidre: #386 MandyManners


He chose to snub disabled veterans while president.

he did that during the campaign too. snubbed a visit to a wounded soldiers hospital in Germany...

Indeed, and there are other examples. This is a pattern, not just a scheduling conflict from his overseers.

446 MandyManners  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:48:56pm

re: #435 FurryOldGuyJeans

A lot in the UK do too, dear Mandy.

Some chose to be "devil's advocate" and shit on their heroes, though.

It's a really bad issue on which to be such an advocate.

447 Silhouette  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:49:00pm

O it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "Tommy, go away";
...

An' Tommy ain't a bloomin' fool -- you bet that Tommy sees!

We are all Tommy and we see you, BO.

448 buzzdroid  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:49:15pm

re: #436 JHW

Sincere question. In the UK , does the Royal British Legion, (as I understand, the UK veteran's organization) get involved in politics?

no - definitely NOT... very apolitical organisation.

supported by all parties except the far left of the labour party and their friends the Islamists.

Islamists call them child-killers while they enjoy all the social welfrare of britain, of course...

449 MandyManners  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:49:30pm

re: #444 Naso Tang

We know he is a pragmatist when it comes to playing politics, and that includes winning the election. This seems puzzling and I'm inclined to call it a staff screwup. It will be interesting to see what answers the pundits get.

No. 439 has the answer.

450 pingjockey  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:49:34pm

re: #444 Naso Tang
The pundits will not ask this question. They are too busy swooning and calling for war crimes trials.

451 notutopia  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:49:48pm

re: #429 buzzdroid

he did that during the campaign too. snubbed a visit to a wounded soldiers hospital in Germany...

Buzz, if you know that, how can you advocate that we not conclude that perhaps Obama does not value the due admiration that the military personnel have EARNED.
You are either confused or a Kos Kid, which is the same.
Why don't you tell us why we are wrong for making Obama responsible for his negligence and error in his decision making?

452 Gunny Highway  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:49:49pm

Color me surprised...NOT!

He went to the one military ball and he looked so out of place there. He can say thanks all he wants but you he going to cut the defense budget to the bone...

453 Taqiyyotomist  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:50:01pm

Serving under Obama would be a difficult decision. What if he decides the best way for peace in Israel is to fight against Israelis? At least one of his advisors has suggested such action. What would you do? Claim the moral high ground and serve at his behest, no questions asked? This man is dangerous, and if he decides to use our military as Billy Jeff did, or worse, part of me hopes the men and women in uniform decide to opt out. Is it honorable to serve a madman, to further a madman's goals?

And buzz, you're wrong. Utterly and completely wrong. I won't go so far as to call you an asshat, but what Obama did by snubbing the MoH ball was pure chutzpah, and matters greatly. This ball should have been his first. On his itinerary, this ball should have had a note next to it: cancel anything but this.

454 brookly red  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:50:05pm

Call me paranoid, but I fear that the motivation may be to demoralize the military so that enlistment drops to the point where we need a draft... but before you call me paranoid, please remember Wrangle has already called for one. Sure hope I am wrong.

455 jaunte  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:50:07pm

Pretending to be a man of peace by ignoring or despising those who are tasked to fight wars for you is a sign of magical thinking.
"if I ignore them, the necessity for their job will go away."

456 vagabond trader  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:50:07pm

All these slights,gaffes, large and small, all the conciliatory gestures, each one has an agenda with this guy. Go to the CIC ball, military happy, not so offensive to the left, it's the military honoring HIM. Don't go to the Heroes ball,which I assume Afghanistan and Iraq vets attended, Code Pinko and Muslim pals happy.Attend a Jew hating, lunatic church for 20 years, promise undying support for Israel. Revised the next day. Etc, etc.etc etc, repeat.

457 caliredst8r  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:50:15pm

"Honor? What is that? Honey, should I ask the Secret Service guy what honor is?"

"Don't bother, sweetie! Barack, where did you put the Hammerer & Schlemmer catalog that Matt Damon gave you?"

458 Boxy_brown  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:50:15pm

re: #447 Silhouette
Beat me 2 it, Tommy is in another window on my desktop. ;-)

459 LGoPs  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:50:39pm

re: #393 Walter L. Newton

What. Don't invoke what? What did I do?

You're not supposed to invoke Cognito.......oh shit......I did it....I can't beleive I said it.............damn.

460 freetoken  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:50:39pm

re: #284 buzzdroid

it DOES NOT MATTER one bit what ball he attends - what matters is his policy. period.

Well, you're taking some hits on your karma with your posts... but I sort of agree with them. There are (in my opinion, cogent) criticisms of the inaugural balls, that they harken back to aristocracy and coronations.

Pomp fades away... what remains are laws enacted and the results of policies.

Also, it does seem many self-described conservatives are going for what might be called the "cheap heat" (to borrow a term from that wonderfully characteristically form of American entertainment - professional wrestling) while playing the opponent of Obama. Whether it is his slip of the tongues (57 states) or his alleged perfidy wrt to his religion, place of birth, etc.... all it adds up to is an exercise in polemics.

What really matters, because we are a nation of laws... are laws (and legal precedents), as well as actual executive decisions (in policies in directing Federal agencies, whether they be civilian or military.)

461 MandyManners  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:50:53pm

re: #445 Boxy_brown

re: #386 MandyManners


Indeed, and there are other examples. This is a pattern, not just a scheduling conflict from his overseers.

I hope those who refused to vote for McCain because he was not conservative enough are FUCKING HAPPY NOW.

462 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:50:54pm

re: #424 buzzdroid

His reason was new administration policy of shitting on veterans and active duty, nothing more, nothing less. Until you have served in the US Military or personally known well someone that has/does, there is NO way for someone not a US citizen to have a clue about the utter disdain and contempt for those have served or do serve this snubbing proclaims unto the mountains.

463 Achilles Tang  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:50:54pm

re: #443 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Beware the poster whose name we dare not speak!

Careful, unnamed parties would call that a compliment. No need to be nice.

464 Eowyn2  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:50:55pm

re: #351 buzzdroid

i think thats bad advice. to be honest - if your family has a history of service to your country, it shouldnt stop just because of some president you elect.

service should be beyond that. shouldnt it?


(but i respect your decision...)

You cannot serve a person/boss you do not respect.

465 loppyd  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:51:00pm

re: #454 brookly red

Call me paranoid, but I fear that the motivation may be to demoralize the military so that enlistment drops to the point where we need a draft... but before you call me paranoid, please remember Wrangle has already called for one. Sure hope I am wrong.

Would be a sure fire way to create jobs.

466 [deleted]  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:51:16pm
467 DeafDog  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:51:18pm

re: #365 buzzdroid

because there were so many balls to attend on one night?

bound to let somebody down...

thats all.

i think the issue is trivial. what matters is what he does as president. this is trivial crap..

OK. Taken by itself, we can disagree on the the extent of whether this is a big issue or a small issue.

But I think this snub is part of a mosaic that is troubling...see also post 415

468 buzzdroid  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:51:24pm

re: #435 FurryOldGuyJeans

A lot in the UK do too, dear Mandy.

Some chose to be "devil's advocate" and shit on their heroes, though.

which is the bbc, and nearly all of the media and newspapers here.


no wonder the british army was defeated in basra - they had fuck all support back home...

469 Tumulus11  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:51:37pm
'Barack Obama canceled a visit to wounded US troops in Germany today, apparently because he wouldn’t be allowed to use the trip as campaign publicity.'
// LGF July 25, 2008

. There is a pattern of behaviour.

Mr. Obama's discourtesy to American veterans is deliberate.

470 Achilles Tang  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:51:45pm

re: #449 MandyManners

No. 439 has the answer.

No disrespect meant, but he has the opinion.

471 Guanxi88  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:51:52pm

re: #454 brookly red

Call me paranoid, but I fear that the motivation may be to demoralize the military so that enlistment drops to the point where we need a draft... but before you call me paranoid, please remember Wrangle has already called for one. Sure hope I am wrong.

I'll oblige you, then.

Paranoid.

Rangel wanting the draft is pure grand-standing; SOB has no intention of instituting it, and only wants it brought up in order to "mobilize" the yoots in opposition to the Imperial War Machine.

472 goddessoftheclassroom  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:52:05pm

re: #359 MandyManners

When a man tells you who he is and what he will do, you better believe him.

I've learned that when a man admits to me that he's a jerk to take him at his word.

Good evening, Lizards!

473 pingjockey  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:52:10pm

re: #458 Boxy_brown
Kipling should be required reading for anyone in the military. The man knew his stuff.

474 outsidephilly  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:52:12pm

re: #427 loppyd

TFK you will help me get through these next four years.

You have to know I've got your back, also!

475 Eowyn2  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:52:33pm

re: #396 Guanxi88

Those of whom we do not speak.

Voldemort's a lizard?

476 Marvo76  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:52:34pm

re: #426 HoosierHoops

You gotta say his name 3 times..Then poof! he appears.

Beatle juice
Beatle Juice
B...

477 MandyManners  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:52:36pm

re: #460 freetoken

Since symbolism does not matter, is it okay if I burn an American flag?

478 FightingBack  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:52:48pm

...he’s the first President in 56 years to snub the American Legion’s “Salute to Heroes Inaugural Ball.”

He's the worst President in 56 years. And I just started counting today.

479 Silhouette  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:52:49pm

re: #458 Boxy_brown

Beat me 2 it, Tommy is in another window on my desktop. ;-)

Gosh, it is getting so that I'm posting a quote from it every other day, so often do threads pop up where the leftists are showing the disdain described in that poem.

480 [deleted]  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:53:07pm
481 jwb7605  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:53:10pm

re: #469 Tumulus11

. There is a pattern of behaviour.

Mr. Obama's discourtesy to American veterans is deliberate.

There is a pattern of behavior, but I don't think it was deliberate.

I honestly don't think 44 gets the significance of a Medal of Honor winner.

482 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:53:35pm

re: #461 MandyManners

Hey, at least we didn't elect a gawt-damned RINO.
/

I don't think they'll ever see the point, Mandy. And it's a damned shame.

483 Guanxi88  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:53:37pm

re: #477 MandyManners

Since symbolism does not matter, is it okay if I burn an American flag?

What, are you in one of those Hope and Labor Brigades already?

484 JCM  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:53:41pm

re: #472 goddessoftheclassroom

I've learned that when a man admits to me that he's a jerk to take him at his word.

Good evening, Lizards!

{goddess}

485 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:53:46pm

re: #454 brookly red

Call me paranoid, but I fear that the motivation may be to demoralize the military so that enlistment drops to the point where we need a draft... but before you call me paranoid, please remember Wrangle has already called for one. Sure hope I am wrong.

It would seem to me, snubbing the military would make members of the military more cohesive, rally around themselves, not demoralized. Our military are not wimps who cry like little babies when someone say's boo.

486 buzzdroid  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:53:49pm

re: #451 notutopia

Buzz, if you know that, how can you advocate that we not conclude that perhaps Obama does not value the due admiration that the military personnel have EARNED.
You are either confused or a Kos Kid, which is the same.
Why don't you tell us why we are wrong for making Obama responsible for his negligence and error in his decision making?

because its just inauguratioin night.. he's got TEN balls to attend.. he's got the entire world media wanting a photo.

and it doesnt really matter in thme end. what matters is what he does as president.

i dont think its a big issue. my attitude is - let the guy enjoy the night... but we'll throw hammers at him the next morning..

487 loppyd  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:53:50pm

re: #464 Eowyn2

You cannot serve a person/boss you do not respect.



2008 Military Times poll: Wary about Obama


Posted : Wednesday Jan 7, 2009 19:17:29 EST

When asked how they feel about President-elect Barack Obama as commander in chief, six out of 10 active-duty service members say they are uncertain or pessimistic, according to a Military Times survey.

In follow-up interviews, respondents expressed concerns about Obama’s lack of military service and experience leading men and women in uniform.

“Being that the Marine Corps can be sent anywhere in the world with the snap of his fingers, nobody has confidence in this guy as commander in chief,” said one lance corporal who asked not to be identified.

488 bellamags  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:54:05pm

bbl

489 MandyManners  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:54:09pm

re: #472 goddessoftheclassroom

I've learned that when a man admits to me that he's a jerk to take him at his word.

Good evening, Lizards!

Hiya', goddess!

490 JCM  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:54:15pm

re: #475 Eowyn2

Voldemort's a lizard?

Voldemort / Cheney '12!

;-)

491 akak  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:54:32pm

re: #468 buzzdroid

which is the bbc, and nearly all of the media and newspapers here.


no wonder the british army was defeated in basra - they had fuck all support back home...

what?

492 jwb7605  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:54:34pm

re: #476 Marvo76

Beatle juice
Beatle Juice
B...

493 notutopia  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:54:42pm

re: #475 Eowyn2

Voldemort's a lizard?

No Voldemort is a Zionist American plot to destroy Islam.

494 victor_yugo  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:54:43pm

re: #473 pingjockey

Kipling should be required reading for anyone in the military. The man knew his stuff.

Cheer for the Sergeant's wedding —
Give them one cheer more!
Grey gun-horses in the lando,
And a rogue is married to a &c.

495 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:54:44pm

re: #459 LGoPs

You're not supposed to invoke Cognito.......oh shit......I did it....I can't beleive I said it.............damn.

"I'm warning you! If you say "Jehovah" one more time (gets hit with rock) RIGHT! Who did that? Come on, who did it? "

496 Boxy_brown  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:55:00pm

re: #461 MandyManners

re: #445 Boxy_brown
I hope those who refused to vote for McCain because he was not conservative enough are FUCKING HAPPY NOW.

AMEN

MandyManners, I have been shouting that until I am horse. These self righteous imbeciles who said they wouldn't vote for "the lesser of 2 evils" helped bring us the greater... and the country is going to suffer for it.

497 brookly red  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:55:03pm

re: #471 Guanxi88

OK that make sense, but these are strange times...

498 Guanxi88  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:55:06pm

re: #475 Eowyn2

Voldemort's a lizard?

No, but, on the subject of those whose names we dare not speak, whatever happened to Luap Nor and his revolution?

499 Taqiyyotomist  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:55:22pm

re: #448 buzzdroid

no - definitely NOT... very apolitical organisation.

supported by all parties except the far left of the labour party and their friends the Islamists.

Islamists call them child-killers while they enjoy all the social welfrare of britain, of course...

...and while they kill their female children for dressing too "western".

500 Temujin  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:55:24pm

re: #471 Guanxi88

Not to mention, it distracts from his ethics problems.

501 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:55:25pm

re: #481 jwb7605

There is a pattern of behavior, but I don't think it was deliberate.

I honestly don't think 44 gets the significance of a Medal of Honor winner.

And I would have do disagree, courteously. He "gets" the significance and doesn't give a shit.

502 FightingBack  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:55:47pm

re: #477 MandyManners

Since symbolism does not matter, is it okay if I burn an American flag?

Yes. But not a UN Flag. /

503 MandyManners  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:55:51pm

re: #482 Slumbering Behemoth

Hey, at least we didn't elect a gawt-damned RINO.
/

I don't think they'll ever see the point, Mandy. And it's a damned shame.

I still wave at drivers with McCain stickers.

504 Guanxi88  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:55:52pm

re: #500 Temujin

Not to mention, it distracts from his ethics problems.

He has ethics? Did he steal them?

505 bulwrk  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:56:00pm

As we consider the road that unfolds before us, we remember with humble gratitude those brave Americans who, at this very hour, patrol far-off deserts and distant mountains. They have something to tell us, just as the fallen heroes who lie in Arlington whisper through the ages. We honor them not only because they are guardians of our liberty, but because they embody the spirit of service; a willingness to find meaning in something greater than themselves. And yet, at this moment — a moment that will define a generation — it is precisely this spirit that must inhabit us all.

Just words.

506 HoosierHoops  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:56:14pm

re: #478 FightingBack

...he’s the first President in 56 years to snub the American Legion’s “Salute to Heroes Inaugural Ball.”

He's the worst President in 56 years. And I just started counting today.

Well he is not on the same level as Carter..But give him some more time..It's only his first day on the job.

507 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:56:36pm

re: #468 buzzdroid

You sure haven't a clue about even your own forces. Defeated in Basra, my white hairy ass.

508 loppyd  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:56:39pm

re: #496 Boxy_brown

AMEN

MandyManners, I have been shouting that until I am horse. These self righteous imbeciles who said they wouldn't vote for "the lesser of 2 evils" helped bring us the greater... and the country is going to suffer for it.

They are the same people who sat out the 2006 midterms to prove a point.

Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid thank them.

509 MandyManners  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:56:47pm

re: #496 Boxy_brown

AMEN

MandyManners, I have been shouting that until I am horse. These self righteous imbeciles who said they wouldn't vote for "the lesser of 2 evils" helped bring us the greater... and the country is going to suffer for it.

The whole world is gonna' suffer for it.

510 Eowyn2  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:56:50pm

re: #472 goddessoftheclassroom

I've learned that when a man admits to me that he's a jerk to take him at his word.

Good evening, Lizards!

Its soooo much easier when the jerks are honest to begin with.

511 loppyd  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:57:15pm

re: #503 MandyManners

I still wave at drivers with McCain stickers.

I saw a "WE'RE SCREWED '08" sticker today. I was in NH.

512 vagabond trader  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:57:16pm

re: #454 brookly red

I heard that last year's enlistment quota went above and beyond our needs. Not so sure how this year will be affected.We may see a loss in the upper ranks.

513 Eowyn2  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:57:25pm

re: #476 Marvo76

Beatle juice
Beatle Juice
B...

Kill all Prune Juice

514 [deleted]  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:57:25pm
515 MandyManners  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:57:52pm

re: #511 loppyd

I saw a "WE'RE SCREWED '08" sticker today. I was in NH.

I'd love one!

516 faraway  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:57:54pm

re: #421 taxfreekiller

Its a large universe, there are bound to be large ass holes in such a large universe.

black hole?
/ducking

517 Marvo76  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:57:58pm

re: #480 Iron Fist

I hope he isn't stupid enough to denuke the US, does he TRUELY think that NK, China or even Russia will do the same?

518 jwb7605  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:57:59pm

re: #501 FurryOldGuyJeans

And I would have do disagree, courteously. He "gets" the significance and doesn't give a shit.

You give him more credit than I do. He got no grief during the campaign when he went to the gym in Germany, and I think that sent the message that the whole thing us unimportant.

519 Soona'  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:58:10pm

re: #440 Temujin

It's just amazing, how quickly President Obama is fulfilling the expectations I had of him.

How could I ever have doubted him!

/

I would not have put a sarc tag on that comment.

520 Marvo76  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:58:20pm

re: #486 buzzdroid

Uhm it IS the next morning..

521 DeafDog  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:58:37pm

re: #460 freetoken

Well, you're taking some hits on your karma with your posts... but I sort of agree with them. There are (in my opinion, cogent) criticisms of the inaugural balls, that they harken back to aristocracy and coronations.

If this situation were in a vacuum and we knew nothing else about the CBBHO, then your point would be valid.

But we are not in a vacuum and this situation adds to a troubling mosaic.

Face it, we don't know - for sure - what Obama's gonna do. I think the alarm you are seeing here is that it's a hint of worse things to come later.

I doubt that we keep posting on this for weeks, but if the MSM starts asking for justification, we may.

522 Guanxi88  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:58:45pm

re: #520 Marvo76

Uhm it IS the next morning..

Maybe he/she/it is on metric time or something.

523 freetoken  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:58:49pm

re: #477 MandyManners

I don't believe one should equate national symbols (such as flags) with pomp...

Obama will have many opportunities to honor veterans during his stay as CIC. Indeed, every time a fallen soldier comes home, every national holiday, every award for honor, etc.

524 Kragar  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:58:58pm

re: #515 MandyManners

I'd love one!

I'd like an Obama O set up like this:

O SHI-!

525 jwb7605  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:59:11pm

re: #517 Marvo76

I hope he isn't stupid enough to denuke the US, does he TRUELY think that NK, China or even Russia will do the same?

He is that stupid. And I use this as another example for FurryOldGuy.

526 pingjockey  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:59:15pm

re: #518 jwb7605

I agree. obambi has no clue about the MoH or the military.

527 akak  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:59:22pm

Buzzdroid, you are on the wrong blog sir.

528 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:59:22pm

re: #496 Boxy_brown

AMEN

MandyManners, I have been shouting that until I am horse. These self righteous imbeciles who said they wouldn't vote for "the lesser of 2 evils" helped bring us the greater... and the country is going to suffer for it.

A few who didn't vote that I have talked to did precisely that so O would destroy the country, ala Carter II. They believe that would inspire the Reaganesque person waiting in the wilderness to show up.

Gotta love the apocalyptic death wishes these people had.

/ NOT!

529 Boxy_brown  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:59:22pm

re: #473 pingjockey


Kipling should be required reading for anyone in the military. The man knew his stuff.

One of the first things they gave me at NROTC was the poem IF.

530 FightingBack  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:59:31pm

re: #486 buzzdroid

He's the POTUS now. Big boy time, and everything counts. He could have started with the MOH winners. For 56 years, all other Presidents found the time.

531 loppyd  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:59:39pm

re: #515 MandyManners

I'd love one!

It was a chick, too. A righteous chick.

532 eschew_obfuscation  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:59:44pm

re: #460 freetoken

Well, you're taking some hits on your karma with your posts... but I sort of agree with them. There are (in my opinion, cogent) criticisms of the inaugural balls, that they harken back to aristocracy and coronations.

Pomp fades away... what remains are laws enacted and the results of policies.

Also, it does seem many self-described conservatives are going for what might be called the "cheap heat" (to borrow a term from that wonderfully characteristically form of American entertainment - professional wrestling) while playing the opponent of Obama. Whether it is his slip of the tongues (57 states) or his alleged perfidy wrt to his religion, place of birth, etc.... all it adds up to is an exercise in polemics.

What really matters, because we are a nation of laws... are laws (and legal precedents), as well as actual executive decisions (in policies in directing Federal agencies, whether they be civilian or military.)

You can no more reduce the nation to a collection of laws and executive decisions that you can reduce human existence to a collection of bones and sinew.

People serve the country because they're proud of it and want to keep it secure ..... an increasingly outdated concept called patriotism, not merely because they like our collection of laws.

But they won't continue to volunteer so easily if they are not supported .... and support is more than tanks, and guns .... it includes moral support. What Obama has done in skipping the ball sends a message of a lack of moral support, especially when taken in context with his skipping out on a tour of a military hospital in Germany during his campaign.

I expect more from my commander in chief. As it turns out, that's no more than I expect from all Americans.

533 brookly red  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 3:00:03pm

re: #512 vagabond trader

We shall see,

534 reine.de.tout  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 3:00:05pm

re: #515 MandyManners

I'd love one!

We're Screwed.

535 Soona'  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 3:00:06pm

re: #516 faraway

black hole?
/ducking

Racist holist!
/

536 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 3:00:18pm

re: #517 Marvo76

I hope he isn't stupid enough to denuke the US, does he TRUELY think that NK, China or even Russia will do the same?

Or Iran wouldn't hide some in the interest of restoring the Caliphate.

537 notutopia  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 3:00:31pm

re: #486 buzzdroid

because its just inauguratioin night.. he's got TEN balls to attend.. he's got the entire world media wanting a photo.

and it doesnt really matter in thme end. what matters is what he does as president.

i dont think its a big issue. my attitude is - let the guy enjoy the night... but we'll throw hammers at him the next morning..

Sorry. He's now the POTUS and CIC. He's got to be accountable for every little bitty teeny thing he says, does, smokes, wears, passes gas, signs, motions
and ignores. He asked and got voted in for this responsibility and now he has to uphold the position and the criticism that goes with it.

538 [deleted]  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 3:00:32pm
539 faraway  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 3:00:41pm

First 24 hours. Obama shuns our military and releases the enemy.

540 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 3:00:47pm

re: #518 jwb7605

You give him more credit than I do. He got no grief during the campaign when he went to the gym in Germany, and I think that sent the message that the whole thing us unimportant.

Hence why I say affirmatively he does know precisely what he did. Lack of Accountability.

541 Silhouette  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 3:00:51pm

re: #477 MandyManners

Since symbolism does not matter, is it okay if I burn an American flag?

Exactly.

All those defending him, what if he pulled down the American flag next to his podium and urinated on it.

That would just be symbolism, not policy.

But would it be an indication of what his policy is going to be? What he values? What he disdains? Who is will seek to please?

542 MandyManners  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 3:00:53pm

re: #521 DeafDog

If this situation were in a vacuum and we knew nothing else about the CBBHO, then your point would be valid.

But we are not in a vacuum and this situation adds to a troubling mosaic.

Face it, we don't know - for sure - what Obama's gonna do. I think the alarm you are seeing here is that it's a hint of worse things to come later.

I doubt that we keep posting on this for weeks, but if the MSM starts asking for justification, we may.

Oh, yes, we do know what he's gonna' do. He's been telling us for a year.

543 Amer-I-Can  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 3:01:04pm

This is no surprise. He will gut the military at first chance to "cut costs", and leave us all dangling in the wind... typical Dipocrat tactics.

544 Marvo76  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 3:01:06pm

re: #511 loppyd

Damn I think I want one!

545 Temujin  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 3:01:23pm

re: #504 Guanxi88

Gee, I don't think he bothered to grab any ethics - just the hot stove - oh yeah, & then he came back for the smoke!

546 pingjockey  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 3:01:37pm

re: #529 Boxy_brown
That is great. I had a jo try to steal my copy of Kipling. The CO made him leave it in CIC so everyone could read it.

547 goddessoftheclassroom  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 3:01:49pm

re: #529 Boxy_brown

One of the first things they gave me at NROTC was the poem IF.

That describes GWB.

548 faraway  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 3:01:51pm

WWOFU?

549 loppyd  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 3:02:04pm
550 MandyManners  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 3:02:09pm

re: #523 freetoken

I don't believe one should equate national symbols (such as flags) with pomp...

Obama will have many opportunities to honor veterans during his stay as CIC. Indeed, every time a fallen soldier comes home, every national holiday, every award for honor, etc.

Snubbing diabled vets on the day that you have been sworn in to be the Commander in Chief of the military is unheard of.

551 n in wi  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 3:02:13pm

I refuse to call BHO "44".
It was Jackie Robinson's #. He actually deserves the honor of having a # associated with his name.
But thats just me.
I did hear NPR call Obama Barrack H. Obama
Just said "H" not Hussein.

552 faraway  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 3:02:44pm

re: #549 loppyd

It was this one.

This is good also

[Link: bumperstickers.cafepress.com...]

553 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 3:02:51pm

re: #548 faraway

WWOFU?

Everything he can get his hands on, and then some.

554 jwb7605  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 3:03:08pm

re: #543 Amer-I-Can

This is no surprise. He will gut the military at first chance to "cut costs", and leave us all dangling in the wind... typical Dipocrat tactics.

When was the last time gummint spending decreased on anything else?
Seriously, I can't think of any examples.

555 DeafDog  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 3:03:24pm

re: #486 buzzdroid

because its just inauguratioin night.. he's got TEN balls to attend.. he's got the entire world media wanting a photo.

and it doesnt really matter in thme end. what matters is what he does as president.

i dont think its a big issue. my attitude is - let the guy enjoy the night... but we'll throw hammers at him the next morning..

Bullshit. Why can't he attend 11 balls?

Sure, by itself it's a minor thing. but this is the same guy who was the head of the Afghanastan subcommittee and never held a hearing. This is the same guy who could not find time to visit injured troops when he was gallavanting around Europe. This is the same guy who wanted to surrender to Al Queda. Taken as a complete picture, this shit adds up.

556 outsidephilly  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 3:03:28pm

re: #472 goddessoftheclassroom

good evening, goddess!
This is completely OT . . . ,
I saw this post yesterday. Would you add this to our prayer list, please? I know all Lizards will rally around this family. Thank you.


524 Walter Cronanty1/20/2009 5:43:56 pm PST

Totally OT
Don't know why I'm posting this, other than I've noticed that some have posted personal "situations" and, I guess, it's a chance, after a couple of glasses of wine, to wallow in self-pity anonymously. A few months ago, I posted how proud I was of my youngest son who had graduated from college in 3 years while going through horrendous treatment for leukemia. I probably jinxed him.
On Christmas Eve, our worst fears were confirmed, the cancer had returned. He entered the Cleveland Clinic on Jan. 4th. After 4 days of full body radiation, he had 36 straight hours of chemo. Luckily, his bother was a match [a 1 in 4 chance, as I understand, but an excellent match] and he had a bone marrow transplant last Wednesday.
He is currently on a morphine drip [the Dr. said that years ago, the treatment was so bad they used to induce a coma like situation]. His immune system is completely destroyed - my wife, a nurse, says that a low-normal white count is around 4,000 - his is 10 - my wife also says that his white counts are so low that the lab techs are probably just making up the "10"]. I haven't gone to the hospital to see him in a few days because I have a cold, and he and his mother are scared to death of any infection. So, I'm sitting home with the dog - my wife is at the hospital 24-7 - with about 10" of global warming on the ground.
Again, I have no idea why I'm posting this. I guess to have someone say: "oh, it's alright, everything will be fine", when I know that's BS. Humans are strange, No?

557 Boxy_brown  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 3:03:51pm

re: #528 FurryOldGuyJeans

A few who didn't vote that I have talked to did precisely that so O would destroy the country, ala Carter II

I know, I know... Wreck the country so you can rule the rubble... Smart. These are the same people who want to rebuild the party now. The same smart folks who like to call me a "RINO" because I actually voted for a republican.

558 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 3:03:54pm

re: #550 MandyManners

Snubbing diabled vets on the day that you have been sworn in to be the Commander in Chief of the military is unheard of.

Not any more.

If this is what we were supposed to give the man a chance for, I am not pleased.

559 loppyd  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 3:04:13pm

re: #552 faraway

This is good also

[Link: bumperstickers.cafepress.com...]

I wouldn't put it on my car, but would look really nice on my fridge!

560 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 3:04:30pm

re: #555 DeafDog

Bullshit. Why can't he attend 11 balls?

Sure, by itself it's a minor thing. but this is the same guy who was the head of the Afghanastan subcommittee and never held a hearing. This is the same guy who could not find time to visit injured troops when he was gallavanting around Europe. This is the same guy who wanted to surrender to Al Queda. Taken as a complete picture, this shit adds up.

Er, "surrender to Al-Queda?" Clarify please?

561 Soona'  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 3:05:02pm

re: #532 eschew_obfuscation

You can no more reduce the nation to a collection of laws and executive decisions that you can reduce human existence to a collection of bones and sinew.

People serve the country because they're proud of it and want to keep it secure ..... an increasingly outdated concept called patriotism, not merely because they like our collection of laws.

But they won't continue to volunteer so easily if they are not supported .... and support is more than tanks, and guns .... it includes moral support. What Obama has done in skipping the ball sends a message of a lack of moral support, especially when taken in context with his skipping out on a tour of a military hospital in Germany during his campaign.

I expect more from my commander in chief. As it turns out, that's no more than I expect from all Americans.

I expect nothing American from Hussein.

562 JCM  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 3:05:22pm

re: #539 faraway

First 24 hours. Obama shuns our military and releases the enemy.

Talks with out preconditions with Iran back on, and nuclear disarmament....

Busy little Gramscian Whore isn't he.

563 faraway  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 3:05:24pm
564 vagabond trader  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 3:05:39pm

re: #551 n in wi

The use of the dread middle name was another ploy,now safely tucked away until he needs it again. I am not the least bit susceptible to this gross manipulator.

565 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 3:05:40pm

re: #557 Boxy_brown

I know, I know... Wreck the country so you can rule the rubble... Smart. These are the same people who want to rebuild the party now. The same smart folks who like to call me a "RINO" because I actually voted for a republican.

I voted for that RINO McCain....who'd you vote for that was the actual Republican? ;)

566 notutopia  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 3:05:41pm

re: #559 loppyd

I wouldn't put it on my car, but would look really nice on my fridge!

Stick them on the private hospitals and clinics. They're gonna get screwed too.

567 DeafDog  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 3:05:42pm

re: #523 freetoken


Obama will have many opportunities to honor veterans during his stay as CIC. Indeed, every time a fallen soldier comes home, every national holiday, every award for honor, etc.

Just like he had a chance to honor vets in Gerrmany when he was traveling in Europe?

Like that?

568 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 3:05:45pm

re: #528 FurryOldGuyJeans


A few who didn't vote that I have talked to did precisely that so O would destroy the country, ala Carter II. They believe that would inspire the Reaganesque person waiting in the wilderness to show up.


Wishful thinking of that scale is absurd. It should hurt to be that stupid.

569 MandyManners  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 3:06:00pm

Later, Lizards.

570 pingjockey  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 3:06:12pm

re: #558 FurryOldGuyJeans
Not pleased comes no where near where I am now. How many of our troops are gonna be killed when they release those vermin from Gitmo? Some have already been found back on the battlefield after being released.

571 Crashnburn  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 3:06:16pm

Nice troll named "curious" in the comments section for this article....

How quick will the masses turn away when their "hope" for a "check" doesn't happen - unless their last name is Citibank....

572 reine.de.tout  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 3:06:28pm

re: #544 Marvo76

Damn I think I want one!

See here.

573 DeafDog  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 3:06:49pm

re: #523 freetoken


Obama will have many opportunities to honor veterans during his stay as CIC. Indeed, every time a fallen soldier comes home, every national holiday, every award for honor, etc.

Just like he deferred to UN when Russia invaded Georgia?

He'll have more chances like that to show us his backbone?

574 Spare O'Lake  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 3:06:51pm

re: #472 goddessoftheclassroom

I've learned that when a man admits to me that he's a jerk to take him at his word.
Good evening, Lizards!

You mean like when a guy says "I'm sorry for acting like a jerk all day but now that I've apologized, let's go upstairs."?
/

575 opnion  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 3:06:54pm

re: #485 Walter L. Newton

It would seem to me, snubbing the military would make members of the military more cohesive, rally around themselves, not demoralized. Our military are not wimps who cry like little babies when someone say's boo.


We ask them to go kill & break things for us. They willingly risk their lives to keep us in safety. It is a lot to ask & If their Commander In Chief & a large portion of his supporters are prcieved to disrespect them, it affects morale.
They are not wimps or cry babies, but they are human & if they are willing to make the ultimate sacrafice , they would like to be appreciated by their boss.

576 avanti  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 3:07:19pm

re: #348 OldLineTexan

It's a new candidate...

What
Would
Avanti
Post
?

It's kind of sticking your fingers in your cyber-ears and typing LALALALALALA I CAN'T HEAR YOU as loudly as possible. Then running off in a huff.

I think it has legs, I really do.

American Legion

577 Eowyn2  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 3:07:42pm

re: #528 FurryOldGuyJeans

A few who didn't vote that I have talked to did precisely that so O would destroy the country, ala Carter II. They believe that would inspire the Reaganesque person waiting in the wilderness to show up.

Gotta love the apocalyptic death wishes these people had.

/ NOT!

I really really dislike the idea that we should go through 3-4 years of socialism to get to the real conservatives. It doesnt work. The double digit inflation, 14% prime rate, etc caused havoc for more than 4 years and is one of the reasons that housing prices are so extraordinarily high. Who can afford to sell a 40K house for 40K if they bought it 30 years ago at 10%?

578 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 3:07:57pm

re: #563 faraway

President Obama's first call 'was to President Abbas'

I really, really wanted to give 0 a chance, but starting with his comments, or lack of them, during the Gaza campaign, I started having a bad feeling, even worse than I had during the campaign.

It hasn't taken him 24 hours to make me feel even worse.

579 DeafDog  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 3:08:12pm

re: #542 MandyManners

I stand corrected....(I was living in an Egyptian river)

580 jaunte  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 3:08:21pm

re: #560 Walter L. Newton

Er, "surrender to Al-Queda?" Clarify please?


Here's some more detail:

"Senator Obama has introduced a bill to remove US combat forces from Iraq by March 31 next year - but the legislation has virtually no chance of becoming law while George W Bush is president, and the presidential election is not until November 2008.

In a strongly worded foray into US politics today, Mr Howard said an Obama victory in the presidential election would be disastrous for the war on terrorism.

"I think he's wrong. I think that will just encourage those who want to completely destabilise and destroy Iraq, and create chaos and a victory for the terrorists to hang on and hope for an Obama victory," Mr Howard said on Channel 9.

"If I were running al-Qaeda in Iraq, I would put a circle around March 2008 and be praying as many times as possible for a victory not only for Obama but also for the Democrats."


[Link: www.news.com.au...]

581 capitalist piglet  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 3:08:26pm
582 Elcid  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 3:08:31pm

There won't be any "Medal of Honor" ceremonies, in this administration.

Well wait, quite possibly for one of the brave Hamassholes. He'll even bring his burka.

583 Taqiyyotomist  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 3:09:13pm

re: #563 faraway

President Obama's first call 'was to President Abbas'

I've asked once. I'll ask again, having received no answer.
If President Obama orders our troops to go into Israel and fight against Israelis, is it an Honorable thing to continue to serve?

Anyone?

584 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 3:09:16pm

re: #568 Slumbering Behemoth

Wishful thinking of that scale is absurd. It should hurt to be that stupid.

To a person all the folks who didn't vote this past election called me a fool for voting for McCain, and yet don't like it when I tell them I do not want to hear a single complaint from them about O. They chose to willfully not speak out and let their voice be heard with their vote, so I have no need to hear them whine and moan endlessly.

585 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 3:09:25pm

re: #580 jaunte

[Link: www.news.com.au...]

Thanks.

586 Crashnburn  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 3:09:42pm

re: #581 capitalist piglet

Only because the USSR doesn't exist any longer...

587 opnion  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 3:10:06pm

re: #501 FurryOldGuyJeans

And I would have do disagree, courteously. He "gets" the significance and doesn't give a shit.

Right on! The MSM tells us that Obama is soooooooo smart.
I don't buy that, but he is not an imbecile. He was aware that he was blowing those guys off & didn't care.

588 n in wi  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 3:10:13pm

re: #543 Amer-I-Can

This is no surprise. He will gut the military at first chance to "cut costs", and leave us all dangling in the wind... typical Dipocrat tactics.


Cut defence spending to increase entitlement spending. When has this ever had a good outcome.

589 vagabond trader  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 3:10:17pm

re: #563 faraway

But of course. Did the second callee have a last name beginning with an H?

590 DeafDog  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 3:10:34pm

re: #560 Walter L. Newton

Er, "surrender to Al-Queda?" Clarify please?

A timeframed based withdrawal against an Enemy in the face of Combat. What do you call that?

591 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 3:11:24pm

re: #583 Taqiyyotomist

I've asked once. I'll ask again, having received no answer.
If President Obama orders our troops to go into Israel and fight against Israelis, is it an Honorable thing to continue to serve?

Anyone?

I think you aren't getting answers because it is so hard to write them.
During the campaign, I didn't think he'd go that far; maybe put some troops that would be human shields for the paliterrorists, but not actually stop the Israelis from defending themselves.
Now I'm not so sure.

592 notutopia  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 3:11:28pm

BBL Time to go bust up the ice in the water tanks so the critters have drinking water for the night..

593 jwb7605  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 3:11:34pm

re: #584 FurryOldGuyJeans

To a person all the folks who didn't vote this past election called me a fool for voting for McCain, and yet don't like it when I tell them I do not want to hear a single complaint from them about O. They chose to willfully not speak out and let their voice be heard with their vote, so I have no need to hear them whine and moan endlessly.

We might respectfully disagree about Obama's action, but you get one big upding (I pressed the mouse button HARD) for that observation.

594 pingjockey  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 3:11:34pm

re: #583 Taqiyyotomist
That ain't gonna happen. If it does I have no idea what would happen.

595 Lynn B.  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 3:11:38pm

Cheney and Bush said it all when they started their inaugural ball rounds at the "Salute to Heroes" ball back in 1991:

"By tradition," Cheney told the heroes, "this is always the first event the president and vice president visit before we begin the round of inaugural balls, and that's for a very good reason."

It's "because of the enormous obligation and debt that we have to all of you who served in the U.S. military, veterans as well as the Medal of Honor recipients who are here tonight. On behalf of Lynne and myself, let me thank you for what you've done for all of us."

Bush echoed Cheney's support for the tradition. "It's right that it be that way," the president said. "It makes good sense to start here.

"The inaugural balls are a reflection of the wonderful freedoms we have in America -- the free transfer of power that took place today," he noted. "This is a free land, however, it would not have been free necessarily without the sacrifice of the men and women who have worn our uniform."

And I totally agree.

/nevertheless, the tone of some of the responses here to those who have respectfully suggested otherwise is a little over the top, IMO.

596 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 3:11:41pm

re: #590 DeafDog

A timeframed based withdrawal against an Enemy in the face of Combat. What do you call that?

Got it now. I didn't know what you were making reference to. Jaunte replied with the info I was looking for.

597 Silhouette  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 3:11:41pm

re: #588 n in wi

Cut defence spending to increase entitlement spending. When has this ever had a good outcome.

What you reward, you get more of.

What you punish, you get less of.

598 reine.de.tout  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 3:11:47pm

re: #576 avanti

American Legion

Avanti, my dear, you seem to have made quite a name for yourself here, and quickly too!

The American Legion Commander in Chiefs ball is a different one than the "Salute to Heroes" ball.

It's the "Salute to Heroes" that Obama missed.

599 carefulnow  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 3:11:52pm

re: #55 redstateredneck

Do you have a link to the Medal of Honor Ball?

600 Guanxi88  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 3:11:58pm

re: #563 faraway

President Obama's first call 'was to President Abbas'

"Just wanna, um, thank you guys for all your support. We, uh, couldn't have done it without you."

Or words to that effect?

601 Soona'  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 3:12:06pm

re: #570 pingjockey

Not pleased comes no where near where I am now. How many of our troops are gonna be killed when they release those vermin from Gitmo? Some have already been found back on the battlefield after being released.

How many American civilians will be killed when these pieces of shit are roaming the countryside again?

602 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 3:12:10pm

re: #588 n in wi

Cut defence spending to increase entitlement spending. When has this ever had a good outcome.

Only because it hasn't been tried enough, or in a big enough quantity.

603 goddessoftheclassroom  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 3:12:11pm

re: #583 Taqiyyotomist

I've asked once. I'll ask again, having received no answer.
If President Obama orders our troops to go into Israel and fight against Israelis, is it an Honorable thing to continue to serve?

Anyone?

Oh, what a AWFUL thought.

On the one hand, a soldier has to follow just orders; on the other, attacking an ally would NOT be just.

604 Elcid  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 3:12:13pm

re: #583 Taqiyyotomist

I've asked once. I'll ask again, having received no answer.
If President Obama orders our troops to go into Israel and fight against Israelis, is it an Honorable thing to continue to serve?

Anyone?

My two cents...Refuse to do so.

605 eschew_obfuscation  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 3:12:14pm

re: #583 Taqiyyotomist

I've asked once. I'll ask again, having received no answer.
If President Obama orders our troops to go into Israel and fight against Israelis, is it an Honorable thing to continue to serve?

Anyone?

The military would have to discharge me dishonorably.

At least my conscience would remain clear.

606 Lynn B.  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 3:12:42pm

re: #595 Lynn B.

Ummmm. That would be 2001.

/brain fart ...

607 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 3:13:04pm

/But we don't need heroes anymore. The unicorns will fly over the middle east, rainbows glistening from their horns and butterflies littering their trail, and the terrorists of the world will magickally see the error of their ways.

Then we will all sit down to a nice meal of arugula salad and...and...sorry...this buzzing in my head...where did I put the tinfoil?

608 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 3:13:33pm

re: #576 avanti

I thought that you ran away whining and said you were going to take a break. Man, 24 hours is not a break. At least not from you, for us.

609 Silhouette  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 3:14:02pm

re: #595 Lynn B.

"The inaugural balls are a reflection of the wonderful freedoms we have in America -- the free transfer of power that took place today," he noted. "This is a free land, however, it would not have been free necessarily without the sacrifice of the men and women who have worn our uniform."

Nah, I'm sure our freedom to have an election and a free transfer of power is owed much more to MTV and others at the Yoots ball than any silly ol' Medal of Honor winner.

610 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 3:14:02pm

re: #593 jwb7605

We might respectfully disagree about Obama's action, but you get one big upding (I pressed the mouse button HARD) for that observation.

As long as we agree to respectfully disagree, and courteously, I don't have a problem with being contrary. :)

611 JCM  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 3:14:20pm

re: #608 Walter L. Newton

I thought that you ran away whining and said you were going to take a break. Man, 24 hours is not a break. At least not from you, for us.

Should take a month to read everything he was given last night.

612 pingjockey  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 3:14:25pm

re: #601 Soona'
Hopefully none. Some folks in other countries won't be so lucky.

613 pinecone  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 3:14:42pm

I suspect the MOH recipients at the ball were not too terribly disappointed that BHO did not drop by. After all, what could he possibly have in common with any one of them?

614 nyc redneck  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 3:14:49pm

this is more than a slight.
it is a bold statement of his disdain and disrespect of our military.
i find it so shocking
so unbecoming from a potus, especially one so newly inaugurated.
what audacity.
how stupid.
does he think that this behavior is going to impress most americans.
he is very naive. dangerously so.

615 jwb7605  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 3:14:55pm

re: #608 Walter L. Newton

I thought that you ran away whining and said you were going to take a break. Man, 24 hours is not a break. At least not from you, for us.

Does that desert island have room for both of us?

616 Marvo76  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 3:15:01pm

re: #583 Taqiyyotomist

I've asked once. I'll ask again, having received no answer.
If President Obama orders our troops to go into Israel and fight against Israelis, is it an Honorable thing to continue to serve?

Anyone?

I would hope that they would refuse, I know if I was in, I would....but to answer your question, no it would not be honorable...

617 Render  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 3:15:02pm

re: #576 avanti

I thought you were going away? Did you fix the virus problem on your blog already?

===

From your link...

"Obama told the troops they need to know that "every single American, regardless of party, regardless of what their politics are, support you, and will always support you."

I have to assume that the Big Zero is either lied, or hasn't read a single word written on the Left Wing blogs that supported his campaign, including his own campaign site.

THE
NEW
ORDER,
R

618 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 3:15:18pm

re: #603 goddessoftheclassroom

Oh, what a AWFUL thought.

On the one hand, a soldier has to follow just orders; on the other, attacking an ally would NOT be just.

There comes to a point where such an order might be construed as an UNLAWFUL order. I would not wish that decision on anyone, though.

619 Silhouette  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 3:15:25pm

re: #613 pinecone

I suspect the MOH recipients at the ball were not too terribly disappointed that BHO did not drop by. After all, what could he possibly have in common with any one of them?

Carbon based bipeds?

620 Kragar  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 3:15:28pm

Sigh. I sometimes wonder what the hell people think.

I spent a weak doing security testing for computer systems and turn out a 20 page report going into the details, explaining how certain issues are covered by defense in depth, other issues are in the middle of being fixed and areas of real concern.

It gets condensed into 2 paragraphs by a manager who completely ignored the real issues and is setting up a team to invesigate non-issues while I get a pat on the back and another "priority job" to devote my full attention to. Vital importance and all that. I try and explain what the issues are they missed and was told the mitigation teams will cover it. Meanwhile, my buddy in the mitigation team tells me they've been directed not to take action on it

I get paid either way, but it pisses me off to be doing pointless work.

621 steve  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 3:15:48pm

Gee, what else is new.

622 Guanxi88  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 3:16:00pm

re: #619 Silhouette

Carbon based bipeds?

Okay, that's one. I'll give another, building on yours:

Inhale oxygen and exhale carbon dioxide.

623 Taqiyyotomist  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 3:16:07pm

Thanks for your answers.
Kosh's Shadow, I was thinking the same thing, your first point. It is really a difficult thing to consider, a question like that, and I understand fully why many would not answer. What to do in the face of the "unthinkable". Lately it is not such a stretch.

Pingjockey, I sincerely hope you are right.

624 Silhouette  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 3:16:24pm

re: #622 Guanxi88

Okay, that's one. I'll give another, building on yours:

Inhale oxygen and exhale carbon dioxide.

They're practically twins!

625 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 3:16:36pm

re: #584 FurryOldGuyJeans

My standard reply from now on will be: "But at least we didn't elect a RINO".

The fools should be ridiculed.

626 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 3:16:40pm

re: #615 jwb7605

Does that desert island have room for both of us?

It is "The Island." And it now resides 30 years in the past.

627 reine.de.tout  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 3:16:44pm

re: #583 Taqiyyotomist

I've asked once. I'll ask again, having received no answer.
If President Obama orders our troops to go into Israel and fight against Israelis, is it an Honorable thing to continue to serve?

Anyone?

Good grief!
I cannot in my wildest imaginings think such a think would ever come to pass.

For this country to ever get to that point is just too awful to even contemplate.

628 jwb7605  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 3:17:16pm

re: #624 Silhouette

They're practically twins!

Not really. Carbon dioxide has twice as much oxygen.

629 Guanxi88  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 3:17:39pm

re: #624 Silhouette

They're practically twins!

I'm trying to be generous, but yes, the two are closely related.

630 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 3:17:39pm

re: #576 avanti

Earlier you said you were taking a sabbatical from lgf (one day break is not a sabbatical asshat), and yet you come roaring back with more Leftoid propaganda shit.

Please, be true to your word about the sabbatical and leave us alone, for a long time.

631 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 3:17:50pm

re: #620 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Sigh. I sometimes wonder what the hell people think.

I spent a weak doing security testing for computer systems and turn out a 20 page report going into the details, explaining how certain issues are covered by defense in depth, other issues are in the middle of being fixed and areas of real concern.

It gets condensed into 2 paragraphs by a manager who completely ignored the real issues and is setting up a team to invesigate non-issues while I get a pat on the back and another "priority job" to devote my full attention to. Vital importance and all that. I try and explain what the issues are they missed and was told the mitigation teams will cover it. Meanwhile, my buddy in the mitigation team tells me they've been directed not to take action on it

I get paid either way, but it pisses me off to be doing pointless work.

Are you working for a government agency?

632 Soona'  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 3:17:56pm

re: #583 Taqiyyotomist

I've asked once. I'll ask again, having received no answer.
If President Obama orders our troops to go into Israel and fight against Israelis, is it an Honorable thing to continue to serve?

Anyone?

Tough call. If that happened, my first incllination would be to take admin. leave, go to Isreal and volunteer for their defense. If the American military would actually particapate is this action, then I guess it might be the harbinger of the US's next civil war.

633 JCM  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 3:18:05pm

re: #619 Silhouette

Carbon based bipeds?

Obama is silicon based........

He's got more issues than the Nirth Certifikat.
/////

634 TheMatrix31  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 3:18:13pm

re: #583 Taqiyyotomist

I've asked once. I'll ask again, having received no answer.
If President Obama orders our troops to go into Israel and fight against Israelis, is it an Honorable thing to continue to serve?

Anyone?

Yes. We're the American army first.

635 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 3:18:40pm

re: #625 Slumbering Behemoth

My standard reply from now on will be: "But at least we didn't elect a RINO".

The fools should be ridiculed.

Stealing my lines, eh? I have said that since Nov. 5th. ;)

636 Son of the Black Dog  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 3:19:06pm

re: #346 newsjunkie_ky

The zero gets no pass from me. He has already demonstrated what his administration will be and it's not going to bode well for the military.

And that doesn't bode well for the rest of us.

637 goddessoftheclassroom  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 3:19:14pm

Lizard Prayer List 1/21/09
Prayers for thanks, praise, comfort, strength, healing, and hope

Seeking Updates

Many thanks to Ben Z and Cap'n Doc for starting this.

Community issues:
Israel
Our country going forward
Georgia/Ossetia
Gilad Schalit, for his release.
The contractors still held hostage
Brian at Snapped Shot: for justice

Thanksgivings

knitwit: mother’s peaceful passing after long illness
HoosierHoops: son Jordan deployed to Japan instead of Afghanistan & grandchild on the way
BaseballMom57: husband recovering at home
Vxbush: health issues diagnosed
Wolfie: nephew (USAR-spec ops) got home from Iraq a couple of months ago safe and sound, and he and his wife are expecting their second child.
eschew_obfuscation: family’s health and happiness
Empire1: out of the hospital after suffering a stroke, practically fully recovered
Loppyd: future plans

Health issues:
Walter Cronanty: son with recurrence of leukemia & recovering from bone marrow transplant.
logboy: recovery from injuries received in combat in Iraq
Dublin(CA)Dude – extensive cancer
gettinby: sister diagnosed with Sjogren’s Syndrome
Yochanan: d-i-l (ronite bas golda) undergoing surgery.
Knitwit: niece Elizabeth has a nasty MRSA infection after orthopedic surgery
tfc3rid: gf's 89 year old grandmother (suffered a a large stroke and is in rehab) and her uncle who is suffering from throat cancer; and continued prayers for dad who has MS
Typicalwhitey: father’s undergoing tests for pancreatic cancer
MNsnowlizard: Had open heart surgery in February (35 years old) and could be facing another one
twincitiesgirl: husband fighting cancer
Cato the elder: health issues
mikeymom: sister suffered a stroke
Josephine: daughter diagnosed with rare, chronic illness
yma o hyd: dear friend Anne has a blood disorder
jamsler: sister, just diagnosed with thyroid cancer; father, getting biopsy of a possible malignancy in his throat.
CoCo: mother paralyzed (due to strokes) and is now having new health problems
gop_patriot: friend’s 8-year-old son starting chemo
Pingjockey: friend Bob with a carcinoma, recovering from surgery
jorline: scleritis (eye disease), rheumatoid arthritis; father who has colon cancer
realwest: metastasizing cancer; mom Type II diabetes
AKAK: Parkinson’s diagnosis confirmed
eaglewingz08: intestinal cancer; has bad case of Grave’s disease, thyroid disorder
Noamsayin: niece and dad battling cancer
Truck Monkey: Brady (11-year-old with brain cancer who is on the football team he coaches)
Shaky Louie: chronic pancriatitis, and an (as yet) undiagnosed liver problem.
loppyd: step-father back in the hospital
Macker: health issues and treatment
newsjunkie_ky: Step-Dad
Sarah: dad (cancer);
Zonie: cancer and renal failure
Pro-Bush Canuck: sister’s illness
kcladderman: father’s throat cancer; just finisher second round of radiation
Clutch: 82-year-old mom’s recovery from eye surgery
BBev: wife’s illness and great pain, having gone from bad to worse
Kenneth: beloved daughter "M" serious chronic illness.
Cartman: liver and other health problems
Irene NYC: mom’s cancer
/cont’d

638 tokyobk  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 3:19:15pm

What's wrong with this. He clearly sees Hamas as total A-Holes and Abbas as at least loving life more than he hates the Israelis.

added: “In the aftermath of the Gaza conflict, he emphasised his determination to work to help consolidate the ceasefire by establishing an effective anti-smuggling regime to prevent Hamas from rearming, and facilitating, in partnership with the Palestinian Authority, a major reconstruction effort.”

639 Silhouette  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 3:19:17pm

re: #633 JCM

Obama is silicon based........

I knew he was a boob.

640 jwb7605  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 3:19:20pm

re: #634 TheMatrix31

Yes. We're the American army first.

If I can get in touch with my son, I'm going to ask him that question.

641 pingjockey  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 3:19:25pm

re: #623 Taqiyyotomist
Me too. You are obligated not to follow "unlawful orders". However, if the Pres. and Congress decided to attack Israel those would be lawful orders and then it's going to come down to personal resposibility and the willingness to accept the consequences.

642 goddessoftheclassroom  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 3:19:31pm

Lizard Prayer List, cont’d:
Family, friend, and life situations:
yma o hyd: ease the grief of friend who lost her husband of 59 years
Taqiyyotomist: strength in difficult times
FBV: that the unknowns find fulfillment
Vxbush: daughter’s financial issues
Yochanan: son in IDF
Bcgirl: sponsored child, Alia in Egypt
Wyatt Earp: Uncle Joe; prostate cancer returned
West Texas: brother’s decision
Victor_yugo: job
laZardo: strength of purpose
BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey: mom coming home from the hospital put still dealing with issues
A Kiwi Infidel: Natasha and her husband mourning the loss of the younger child.
MandyManners: finding answers and solutions
neocon hippie: grieving for big black kitty, Ripple
Cast Iron Magnolia: nephew, David, who's a Marine serving in Iraq
HHC 2-2 SCR: for those we lost and their family and friends and for thanks for those that are finally back and one for the safety of those still waiting to return.
lightsout: to make a wise decision
BeerDrinking VictoryMonkey: strength to overcome a personal issue, and for wisdom in discerning another one
Flynmudd: son deployed to Middle East
x-wing: son diagnosed with Asperger’s (mild autism)
Mars Needs Neocons: job
jcm: previous foster daughters going back with families; new 5-week-old foster daughter.
Pvt Bin Jammin: best friend’s passing
Josephine: painful loss
Jammiewearingfool: sister’s passing
David Simon: mom (Alzheimer's)
Intrepid: Mom has Alzheimer's and Intrepid is caretaker
conservgirl: atheist SPM, that he finds the Lord
Lizards with family issues
Hayseed: extended family challenges
Noraono: colleagues laid off in building industry
antiislamist: in need of prayers
lone_wolf_in_illinois: friends and family in Israel
GotC: EH/kids
Danger close: general
zulubaby, Carl in Jerusalem, Mr Pol, Golden Jerusalem, basically all the minion in eretz Yisrael
noam sayin': comfort for a lost brother
Buckeye Abroad: in the belly of the beast of Eurabia
ChildOfMary: job for hubby and health for self
nonic: general
yank in EU: general
MdiM: general
Suzette: general

643 n in wi  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 3:19:33pm

re: #597 Silhouette

What you reward, you get more of.

What you punish, you get less of.

Put another way, You create what you subsidize. You get less of what you tax.

644 [deleted]  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 3:20:04pm
645 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 3:20:29pm

re: #634 TheMatrix31

Yes. We're the American army first.

There was considerable doubt we wouldn't become just another division of UN peace keepers during WJC's heyday.

646 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 3:20:41pm

re: #620 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Sigh. I sometimes wonder what the hell people think.

I spent a weak doing security testing for computer systems and turn out a 20 page report going into the details, explaining how certain issues are covered by defense in depth, other issues are in the middle of being fixed and areas of real concern.

It gets condensed into 2 paragraphs by a manager who completely ignored the real issues and is setting up a team to invesigate non-issues while I get a pat on the back and another "priority job" to devote my full attention to. Vital importance and all that. I try and explain what the issues are they missed and was told the mitigation teams will cover it. Meanwhile, my buddy in the mitigation team tells me they've been directed not to take action on it

I get paid either way, but it pisses me off to be doing pointless work.

I guess you can't tell us which company will get on the news soon about a huge security breach.

647 Soona'  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 3:20:44pm

re: #612 pingjockey

Hopefully none. Some folks in other countries won't be so lucky.

I'm just considering how much more open are borders are going to become in the next few years.

648 FightingBack  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 3:20:46pm

re: #644 ploome hineni

...so Nobama gave our heros the finger?

just let him do this shit

FASTER PLEASE

/let him show his supporters what they elected

They love it.

649 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 3:20:48pm

Another random thought:

McCain would have gone to the ball, and they would have saluted him. And they would have been right to.

Whether you like his policies or not (I didn't), and voted for him or not (I did) you have to admit this.

650 Eowyn2  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 3:21:07pm

re: #554 jwb7605

When was the last time gummint spending decreased on anything else?
Seriously, I can't think of any examples.

Gutting the military will not decrease gummint spending. It will just re-allocate it to something really worthwhile. you know, more art in Central Park, more money for the UN Food programs, midnight basketball, .......

651 steve  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 3:21:09pm

re: #628 jwb7605

Not really. Carbon dioxide has twice as much oxygen.

No, I think that you are wrong. (unless I am missing a joke here.)

O2 oxygen
CO carbon monoxide
CO2 Carbon dioxide.

I thing that Hussian the Zero has only about 1/4 the O2 intake.

652 Lynn B.  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 3:21:11pm

re: #644 ploome hineni

...so Nobama gave our heros the finger?

just let him do this shit

FASTER PLEASE

/let him show his supporters what they elected

I'm afraid most of his supporters are thinking this is way cool. If they're even paying attention.

653 reine.de.tout  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 3:21:17pm

re: #644 ploome hineni

...so Nobama gave our heros the finger?

just let him do this shit

FASTER PLEASE

/let him show his supporters what they elected

His hard-core supporters will always believe he has a good reason for doing whatever he does, no matter how awful the action or the consequences, and will believe any excuse he comes up with. They cannot be "converted".

654 TheMatrix31  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 3:21:59pm

Someone posted this in response to my commentary elsewhere regarding the snubbing.......

"Theres more important things to do than celebrate, like getting started on fixing the countries problems. He did make it to the Commander in Chief ball, so chill.

No one ALLOWED Obama to become president, the people chose. Choosing and allowing is different.

What you meant to say was, "the same people that actually FIGHT for us to have what we have? The same ones that made Obama's ancestors slaves and have now allowed his race to be free so that obama can run for president and the people vote for him as their president"

=) theres my little red apples for you, how bout em?"

655 Kragar  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 3:22:04pm

re: #631 Walter L. Newton

Are you working for a government agency?

Contractor

656 Silhouette  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 3:22:20pm

re: #643 n in wi

Put another way, You create what you subsidize. You get less of what you tax.

Yeppers.

Which any parent of a child who is begging for candy in the checkout aisle knows. You buy it for them now, you'll get MORE whining, not less. It will just be in the future. Presidents could use the same lesson when considering negotiating for the lives of hostages with terrorists.

657 yochanan  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 3:22:35pm

ישראל ביתנו‎

658 Render  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 3:22:43pm

re: #634 TheMatrix31

Will American soldiers who are Jewish be required to take a secondary loyalty oath?

What will happen to American citizens who are Jewish?

GROUNDS,
R

659 Taqiyyotomist  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 3:22:45pm

re: #603 goddessoftheclassroom

re: #604 Elcid

re: #605 eschew_obfuscation

Those were the answers I had hoped would be offered. Let us pray that Obama will not choose this path.

660 reine.de.tout  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 3:22:46pm

re: #657 yochanan

ישראל ביתנו‎

WHAT?

661 WhiteRasta  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 3:22:54pm

Bye the way, I think it was a damn disgrace the mob booed Bush last night.

A stinking disgrace.

662 jwb7605  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 3:22:56pm

re: #651 steve

No, I think that you are wrong. (unless I am missing a joke here.)

O2 oxygen
CO carbon monoxide
CO2 Carbon dioxide.

I thing that Hussian the Zero has only about 1/4 the O2 intake.

Poor attempt at humor. I forgot it's actually O2

663 tokyobk  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 3:23:04pm

re: #654 TheMatrix31

Obama's ancestors were not slaves. They were slave owners on both sides.

Someone posted this in response to my commentary elsewhere regarding the snubbing.......

"Theres more important things to do than celebrate, like getting started on fixing the countries problems. He did make it to the Commander in Chief ball, so chill.

No one ALLOWED Obama to become president, the people chose. Choosing and allowing is different.

What you meant to say was, "the same people that actually FIGHT for us to have what we have? The same ones that made Obama's ancestors slaves and have now allowed his race to be free so that obama can run for president and the people vote for him as their president"

=) theres my little red apples for you, how bout em?"

664 goddessoftheclassroom  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 3:23:24pm

re: #654 TheMatrix31

Someone posted this in response to my commentary elsewhere regarding the snubbing.......

"Theres more important things to do than celebrate, like getting started on fixing the countries problems. He did make it to the Commander in Chief ball, so chill.

No one ALLOWED Obama to become president, the people chose. Choosing and allowing is different.

What you meant to say was, "the same people that actually FIGHT for us to have what we have? The same ones that made Obama's ancestors slaves and have now allowed his race to be free so that obama can run for president and the people vote for him as their president"

=) theres my little red apples for you, how bout em?"

None of President Obama's ancestors were slaves, at least in America.

665 bulwrk  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 3:23:55pm

re: #649 EmmmieG

McCain would have gone to the ball, and they would have saluted him.

Trust me those old vets would have saluted Obama every bit as smartly.

666 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 3:24:22pm

re: #635 FurryOldGuyJeans

Hey, it's a great line, and one that will gain more and more relevance as this admin. moves forward.

Also, I didn't steal it. I just borrowed it without asking.
/

667 pingjockey  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 3:24:28pm

re: #665 bulwrk
True fact that.

668 reine.de.tout  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 3:24:30pm

re: #663 tokyobk

Obama's ancestors were not slaves. They were slave owners on both sides.

Michelle, I think, has ancestors who were slaves. So even though Obama's ancestors were not slaves, his children have ancestors who were.

But what that has to do with the state of things today, I have no clue.

669 Guanxi88  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 3:24:32pm

re: #633 JCM

Obama is silicon based........

He's got more issues than the Nirth Certifikat.
/////

Nope, Ickes says he's reptilian, and that's enough for me:

670 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 3:24:39pm

OT - (but a real laugh)

"Brazile, a Democratic strategist, believes the key to President Obama’s success was that he did not run as a black candidate, unlike people like Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton. He ran as a progressive Democrat."

Bullshit. Yea, maybe he didn't "run" as a black candidate, but everyone from Michelle to the man in the street made sure you knew he was black and it was RACIST to even consider that he was not suited for the job.

Self-delusion of the highest magnitude.

[Link: caffertyfile.blogs.cnn.com...]

671 FightingBack  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 3:25:23pm

Jennifer Griffen on Fox about Obama's actions towards the military yesterday: "The Symbolism was right...."
Fiskie winners keep on giving

672 Silhouette  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 3:25:26pm

re: #654 TheMatrix31

The same ones that made Obama's ancestors slaves and have now allowed his race to be free

Obama's ancestors were NOT slaves in America.

His American ancestors owned slaves, although that does not in any way reflect on him. Likewise, it is likely that his African ancestors sold slaves. And likewise, that is not his fault.

But he didn't rise from slavery.

673 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 3:25:27pm

re: #644 ploome hineni

...so Nobama gave our heros the finger?

just let him do this shit

FASTER PLEASE

/let him show his supporters what they elected

With all respect, nothing the man would do will ever convince his true believers he is not the messiah-king.

Biden laid out the game-play during the campaign when he gave that speech in Seattle saying O will have a big international crisis early on and it will appear he are doing the wrong thing, so don't worry.

674 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 3:25:28pm

re: #650 Eowyn2

Gutting the military will not decrease gummint spending. It will just re-allocate it to something really worthwhile. you know, more art in Central Park, more money for the UN Food programs, midnight basketball, .......

I have a piss-Obama art project I need funding for.

675 yochanan  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 3:25:31pm

re: #660 reine.de.tout

political party in israel which drives the leftie nuts
in english the name is ISRAEL OUR HOME

676 n in wi  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 3:25:33pm

re: #645 FurryOldGuyJeans

There was considerable doubt we wouldn't become just another division of UN peace keepers during WJC's heyday.

Yeah, but I think Obama has already ordered the blue helmets.
Won't they clash with the brown shirts?

677 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 3:25:49pm

re: #665 bulwrk

McCain would have gone to the ball, and they would have saluted him.

Trust me those old vets would have saluted Obama every bit as smartly.

Yes, but with Obama they would have been saluting the office. With McCain they would have been saluting the office and the man.

678 TheMatrix31  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 3:26:02pm

re: #663 tokyobk

Obama's ancestors were not slaves. They were slave owners on both sides.

Are there articles about this? Not that I don't believe you, just for ammunition purposes.

679 Taqiyyotomist  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 3:26:03pm

re: #654 TheMatrix31

grrr....

680 JCM  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 3:26:26pm

re: #669 Guanxi88

Nope, Ickes says he's reptilian, and that's enough for me:


[Video]

Silicon based reptilian?
/

681 opnion  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 3:26:39pm

re: #661 WhiteRasta

Bye the way, I think it was a damn disgrace the mob booed Bush last night.

A stinking disgrace.


Consider the source. Moonbats that I am related to will not let it go.
It all goes back to the Florida recount. That is when their wheels came off of the tracks & they have been nutty ever since.

682 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 3:26:50pm

re: #666 Slumbering Behemoth

Hey, it's a great line, and one that will gain more and more relevance as this admin. moves forward.

Also, I didn't steal it. I just borrowed it without asking.
/

The only royalty I ask is that you use it in good health, ok? ;)

683 [deleted]  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 3:26:53pm
684 steve  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 3:27:16pm

re: #661 WhiteRasta

Bye the way, I think it was a damn disgrace the mob booed Bush last night.

A stinking disgrace.

I agree. H the Zero showed (again) his lack of integrety.

685 Eowyn2  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 3:27:16pm

re: #583 Taqiyyotomist

I've asked once. I'll ask again, having received no answer.
If President Obama orders our troops to go into Israel and fight against Israelis, is it an Honorable thing to continue to serve?

Anyone?

I have two kids in the military. We are Christians. I firmly believe both my children and my nieces and nephews and in-laws in the military would refuse. I hope to God the people of the US as well as the House and Senate would pull in those reins. Personally I'd sign a petition for impeachment on grounds of insanity.

686 pingjockey  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 3:27:18pm

re: #680 JCM
Ain't that the dude off the old Star Trek?

687 Guanxi88  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 3:27:42pm

re: #680 JCM

Silicon based reptilian?
/

No, we've been over this. The silicon units are replicants and errand-boys of the reptilians. The agenda of the Greys is at this point unclear.

688 outsidephilly  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 3:28:11pm

bbl

689 Guanxi88  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 3:28:16pm

re: #686 pingjockey

Ain't that the dude off the old Star Trek?

No, but he thinks he is.

690 Taqiyyotomist  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 3:28:17pm

re: #674 Walter L. Newton

I have a piss-Obama art project I need funding for.

I'll write my congressional representative immediately. :)

691 tokyobk  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 3:28:39pm

re: #668 reine.de.tout

Michelle, I think, has ancestors who were slaves. So even though Obama's ancestors were not slaves, his children have ancestors who were.

But what that has to do with the state of things today, I have no clue.

Very little. We are surely all the descendants of slaves and slave owners.
Just correcting an earlier post. It does matter in the sense that Obama constructed his ID as a black-American.

It also matters in one sense that the MSM kept mentioning how slaves built the capitol, and now an AA was taking the oath. But Obama's family at the time were major slave holders in Maryland. So, they need to brush up on their symbolism. Not that they will.

692 pingjockey  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 3:28:40pm

re: #687 Guanxi88
The Greys on SG-1 are the good guys.

693 Spare O'Lake  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 3:28:44pm

re: #583 Taqiyyotomist

I've asked once. I'll ask again, having received no answer.
If President Obama orders our troops to go into Israel and fight against Israelis, is it an Honorable thing to continue to serve?
Anyone?

Try not to lie awake all night worrying about it.
Brutherrrrr!

694 reine.de.tout  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 3:28:56pm

re: #683 ploome hineni

touts

Israel b'teinu

I think

Yisrael B'Teinu (Israel Our Home)

695 steve  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 3:29:10pm

re: #662 jwb7605

Poor attempt at humor. I forgot it's actually O2

Like I have never done that:- P

696 Guanxi88  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 3:29:17pm

re: #686 pingjockey

Ain't that the dude off the old Star Trek?

Or are you suggesting Alex Jones looks like Shatner, plus 40 pounds and undiagnosed schizophrenia?

697 opnion  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 3:29:20pm

re: #672 Silhouette

Obama's ancestors were NOT slaves in America.

His American ancestors owned slaves, although that does not in any way reflect on him. Likewise, it is likely that his African ancestors sold slaves. And likewise, that is not his fault.

But he didn't rise from slavery.

Exactly & no living American owned slaves & therefore have no duty to pay reparations or any other extortion.

698 OldLineTexan  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 3:29:32pm

re: #576 avanti

Nice.

My remark was based on your behavior in the "Communist" thread yesterday. Nothing else.

699 Guanxi88  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 3:29:57pm

re: #692 pingjockey

The Greys on SG-1 are the good guys.

Look, if you're foolish enough to accept the illuminati propaganda, then there's just no help for you, is there?

700 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 3:30:10pm

re: #685 Eowyn2

I have two kids in the military. We are Christians. I firmly believe both my children and my nieces and nephews and in-laws in the military would refuse. I hope to God the people of the US as well as the House and Senate would pull in those reins. Personally I'd sign a petition for impeachment on grounds of insanity.

Remember when the Left called it patriotic if the troops disobeyed any orders GWB gave? Makes me wonder what they would think if the troops did the same to O.

701 pingjockey  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 3:30:21pm

re: #696 Guanxi88
I have no idea who alex jones is! I was thinking of the lizard kirk shot with the homemade hand cannon.

702 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 3:30:25pm

Between the velvet lies, there's a truth that's hard as steel.

703 WhiteRasta  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 3:30:53pm

re: #684 steve

Even that ass-clown peanut farmer was not booed at the incoming President's inauguration.

704 goddessoftheclassroom  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 3:30:57pm

re: #691 tokyobk

Very little. We are surely all the descendants of slaves and slave owners.
Just correcting an earlier post. It does matter in the sense that Obama constructed his ID as a black-American.

It also matters in one sense that the MSM kept mentioning how slaves built the capitol, and now an AA was taking the oath. But Obama's family at the time were major slave holders in Maryland. So, they need to brush up on their symbolism. Not that they will.

I'm not, I can prove it, if you'll accept absence of evidence in census records as proof.

705 JCM  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 3:31:01pm

re: #686 pingjockey

Ain't that the dude off the old Star Trek?



You're thinking of this guy.

706 Chicken Kiev  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 3:31:19pm

#583 Taqiyyotomist

If President Obama orders our troops to go into Israel and fight against Israelis, is it an Honorable thing to continue to serve?

Anyone?

No. It would be just wrong. In the eyes of history -- wrong

707 nyc redneck  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 3:31:20pm

re: #583 Taqiyyotomist

I've asked once. I'll ask again, having received no answer.
If President Obama orders our troops to go into Israel and fight against Israelis, is it an Honorable thing to continue to serve?

Anyone?

well, iirc, he threw samantha power under the bus because she called hillary a monster, NOT because she favored sending in our military to subdue israel.
if he tries it, i hope our troops just go over there and fight w/ the israelis.
i would love to see that because some things are just wrong.

708 tokyobk  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 3:31:21pm

re: #678 TheMatrix31

Plenty. Just google. Obama is a distant cousin of several presidents and also of Dick Cheny.

He is a politician who used all of his assets brilliantly, including presenting himself as an African American not in the true blended sense, which he is, but in the black American sense. And, of course, it worked.

He is an immigrant and descendent of an old American family just like every other president.

709 pingjockey  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 3:31:28pm

re: #699 Guanxi88
Oh sure, bring them into it. Unfortunately I haven't read any of those books.

710 Guanxi88  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 3:31:51pm

re: #701 pingjockey

I have no idea who alex jones is! I was thinking of the lizard kirk shot with the homemade hand cannon.

Oh, Jones, huh? Local guy to me, a lunatic with a cult-like following among troothers and general-purpose sounding board for all manner of bad craziness.

Think Art Bell on meth and acid, but without a personality or working BS filter.

www.prisonplanet.com

if you dare.

711 Dianna  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 3:31:53pm

re: #665 bulwrk

McCain would have gone to the ball, and they would have saluted him.

Trust me those old vets would have saluted Obama every bit as smartly.

Would BHO have known that he has to salute MoH holders first?

712 tokyobk  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 3:32:07pm

re: #697 opnion

Bet there are some Saudi-Americans who have owned slaves since it was only outlawed in 1964.

713 pingjockey  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 3:32:12pm

re: #705 JCM
Correct!

714 JCM  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 3:32:18pm

re: #687 Guanxi88

No, we've been over this. The silicon units are replicants and errand-boys of the reptilians. The agenda of the Greys is at this point unclear.

*madly flipping through notebook*

Damn, I feel asleep during that part!

It won't happen again!

715 Taqiyyotomist  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 3:32:27pm

re: #700 FurryOldGuyJeans

Remember when the Left called it patriotic if the troops disobeyed any orders GWB gave? Makes me wonder what they would think if the troops did the same to O.

Good grief! the left called for "fragging" of officers, said that would be patriotic. I seem to remember seeing either a sign at zombietime or a post somewhere saying "I support the troops...when they kill their C.O.s."

Their man is now our president. God help us.

716 Guanxi88  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 3:32:33pm

re: #709 pingjockey

Oh sure, bring them into it. Unfortunately I haven't read any of those books.

Because they don't want you to. (or they do; their ways are obscure)

717 tokyobk  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 3:32:51pm

re: #704 goddessoftheclassroom

Yes you are the descendent of slaves, or serfs or indentured servants.

718 [deleted]  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 3:33:02pm
719 pingjockey  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 3:33:03pm

re: #710 Guanxi88
Art Bell on acid would be a highly entertaining show!

720 Marvo76  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 3:33:39pm

re: #705 JCM

first time I saw him I thought he was a sleestack from land of the lost...

721 bulwrk  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 3:33:40pm

re: #711 Dianna

I was going to bring that up earlier

722 pingjockey  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 3:34:04pm

BBIAB.

723 Silhouette  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 3:34:16pm

re: #691 tokyobk

But Obama's family at the time were major slave holders in Maryland. .

So it is not unlikely his family's slaves helped build it.

724 Dianna  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 3:34:16pm

re: #721 bulwrk

I was going to bring that up earlier

It's OK.

725 Taqiyyotomist  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 3:34:28pm

re: #710 Guanxi88

LOL wow, that's a good description...except...Art Bell has a B.S. filter? What?

726 tokyobk  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 3:34:45pm

re: #723 Silhouette

That would be an amazing discovery!

727 faraway  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 3:34:49pm

re: #681 opnion

Consider the source. Moonbats that I am related to will not let it go.
It all goes back to the Florida recount. That is when their wheels came off of the tracks & they have been nutty ever since.

Gore not only invented the Internets, he invented the moonbat.

728 n in wi  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 3:34:57pm

re: #708 tokyobk

He is an immigrant and descendent of an old American family just like every other president.


I don't think George Washington was a descendent of an Old American family.
/Just funning with ya

729 LGoPs  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 3:35:18pm

re: #700 FurryOldGuyJeans

Remember when the Left called it patriotic if the troops disobeyed any orders GWB gave? Makes me wonder what they would think if the troops did the same to O.

What do you think they'd do? Certainly not act with any consistency or principles. For the left the rules are "whatever the fuck we decide them to be whenever the fuck we want"
We're in the hands of a bunch of spoiled rotten children in adult bodies......and we're in trouble.

730 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 3:35:54pm

re: #682 FurryOldGuyJeans

If by "in good health" you mean a snarky and sarcastic manner, then will do.

731 Silhouette  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 3:36:02pm

re: #712 tokyobk

Bet there are some Saudi-Americans who have owned slaves since it was only outlawed in 1964.

There are Saudis in America who own slaves now. In America.

Not legally of course. They get caught every once in a while.

732 goddessoftheclassroom  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 3:36:22pm

re: #717 tokyobk

Yes you are the descendent of slaves, or serfs or indentured servants.

No, I'm not. I do know my genealogy back several hundred years.

733 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 3:36:56pm

F**K Off Obama, you worthless POS. You're not my President and never will be.

734 opnion  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 3:37:00pm

re: #712 tokyobk

Bet there are some Saudi-Americans who have owned slaves since it was only outlawed in 1964.

Oh yeah, lots of it still going on, look at Sudan. In Kuwait, they bring over Philipino domestics & many become defacto slaves. Even here in the U.S it has been uncoverd & prosecuted a couple of times.

735 The Shadow Do  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 3:37:02pm

This decision is a "tell" in poker parlance, and Obama is indeed a poker player. In fact he has suckered quite a few folks to stay in and play the hand - beginning with well known conservative pundits and continuing with some lizards who think we should wait, see and give him a chance.

He is banking chips for now. The stakes are soon going up though my friends.

736 yochanan  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 3:37:17pm

DUE to the nature of the Israeli political system you can vote for a party you really agree with as opposed to the lesser of two evils. Because if the party has any support it will get into the Knesset. and even if it is a small party it can join one of two possible coalitions. were in America you don't really have that many choices and in some cases like in Chicago you don't have any choice.

737 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 3:37:21pm

re: #730 Slumbering Behemoth

If by "in good health" you mean a snarky and sarcastic manner, then will do.

Not to YOUR good health, no snark. To theirs, by ALL means. ;)

738 [deleted]  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 3:37:32pm
739 tokyobk  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 3:37:35pm
The research traces the Duvalls to Mareen Duvall, a major land owner in Anne Arundel County in the 1600s. The inventory of his estate in 1694 names 18 slaves, according to a family history published in 1952.

Obama's ancestor.

740 Guanxi88  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 3:37:44pm

re: #719 pingjockey

Art Bell on acid would be a highly entertaining show!

Well, in that case, take a gander at this:

Just one of hundreds by this guy.

741 Silhouette  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 3:37:49pm

re: #728 n in wi

He is an immigrant and descendent of an old American family just like every other president.


I don't think George Washington was a descendent of an Old American family.
/Just funning with ya

His family had been in Virginia for 4 generations.

/had a bet with the hubby once who swore ol' George was born in England. Pffft!

742 CIA Reject  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 3:38:08pm

re: #655 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Contractor

If your client is a government agency you should know that computer security in most government agencies has almost nothing to do with how secure the networks are.

It's all about audits.

And audits are all about paperwork. If the paperwork is in order then the agency passes the audit and the security manager gets a good performance review. And all is happiness.

Penetration tests and network scans are done so that the appropriate boxes can be checked off on the all important paperwork.

And if the boxes are checked then the paperwork is in order, and if the paperwork is in order then the agency passes the audit.

It's the "Radar O'Reilly" method of network security...

743 Taqiyyotomist  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 3:38:32pm
re: #718 Iron Fist
The question is, why does Obama want the United States to be vulnerable to nuclear attack?

I think you have to go back to Ayers and Dohrn for the answer to that question. And I think the answer would be, "Because he wants America destroyed." You did read Prairie Fire, right?

744 Dianna  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 3:38:48pm

I'm out. Take care.

745 Guanxi88  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 3:38:50pm

re: #725 Taqiyyotomist

LOL wow, that's a good description...except...Art Bell has a B.S. filter? What?

Yeah, he was good about playing along, stringing folks along with him.. I think of Mel's Hole in connection with this. You knew Art was just having a good time with a whacky story.

746 yochanan  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 3:39:19pm

re: #718 Iron Fist

there is the old guns vs butter thing and obama and the donks like butter.

747 goddessoftheclassroom  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 3:39:24pm

re: #741 Silhouette

His family had been in Virginia for 4 generations.

/had a bet with the hubby once who swore ol' George was born in England. Pffft!

But technically they weren't Americans--they were British citizens living in a colony!

748 LGoPs  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 3:39:37pm

re: #681 opnion

Consider the source. Moonbats that I am related to will not let it go.
It all goes back to the Florida recount. That is when their wheels came off of the tracks & they have been nutty ever since.

And they maintain that rage even in the face of every major news organization verifying that Bush had in fact won - the same MFM that has been virulently anti-Bush since - regardless, they still hold that rage. Facts just don't matter. And the rage tells them the're justified in outright stealing elections now......
Time for a good ass-whuppin' is coming soon cause talking and reasoning don't do any good........
Bastards.

749 faraway  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 3:39:38pm

OK rant over.

750 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 3:40:02pm

re: #738 faraway

That's sort of skirting close with Charles' rule of no comment relating to committing violence.

751 faraway  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 3:40:32pm

re: #750 Walter L. Newton

That's sort of skirting close with Charles' rule of no comment relating to committing violence.

Not really what I meant there.

752 WhiteRasta  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 3:40:53pm

re: #748 LGoPs

What's the MFM? Mainstream F***ing Media?

753 opnion  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 3:41:01pm

re: #741 Silhouette

His family had been in Virginia for 4 generations.

/had a bet with the hubby once who swore ol' George was born in England. Pffft!


Actually , I think that all or most of the Founders went back several generations in the colonys. I know that Adams & Jefferson did

754 jwb7605  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 3:41:03pm

re: #747 goddessoftheclassroom

But technically they weren't Americans--they were British citizens living in a colony!

I watched the Washington bio on the History Channel, and learned that Washington became a Colonel in the British Army. I didn't know that.

755 LGoPs  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 3:41:19pm

re: #752 WhiteRasta

What's the MFM? Mainstream F***ing Media?

yes

756 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 3:41:23pm

re: #750 Walter L. Newton

That's sort of skirting close with Charles' rule of no comment relating to committing violence.

Actually Stinky deemed it over the line, it was whacked.

757 n in wi  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 3:41:40pm

re: #741 Silhouette

His family had been in Virginia for 4 generations.

/had a bet with the hubby once who swore ol' George was born in England. Pffft!

Wow, glad I didn't bet anyone. What did you win,if it 's OK to say in public?

758 faraway  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 3:41:41pm

re: #756 FurryOldGuyJeans

Actually Stinky deemed it over the line, it was whacked.

fair enough

759 descolada9  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 3:41:41pm

Well, he's remaining true to form. He dissed them while in Iraq as well and I don't expect him to be friendly towards our military men and women while he is in office. He could have amused all of us and sent Bill Ayers in his stead. At least that way we could have gotten rid of Bill Ayers.

760 Guanxi88  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 3:41:53pm

re: #752 WhiteRasta

What's the MFM? Mainstream F***ing Media?

I thought it was "Mother-F*cking Media" You learn something new everyday

761 tokyobk  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 3:42:01pm

re: #732 goddessoftheclassroom

Um.... and several hundred years before that?

Are you Irish, Scottish, English (and not Prince Charles but probably him too), Jewish, Russian, Anything Slavic (and yes that really is a shared etymology)... ?

If the answer is yes, then your ancestors were slaves, serfs, indentured.

But, if you are not, than fine by me. We are all free now, at least in America.

762 Soona'  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 3:42:02pm

re: #674 Walter L. Newton

I have a piss-Obama art project I need funding for.

I'll contribute the piss.

763 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 3:42:19pm

re: #752 WhiteRasta

What's the MFM? Mainstream F***ing Media?

I am partial to FMSM myself since it makes it easier to parse and decode ;)

764 tokyobk  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 3:42:24pm

re: #741 Silhouette

Good point!

765 Efoster  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 3:42:26pm

re: #486 buzzdroid


As a member of the military (and one injured in Iraq), I must agree with Buzz and I am disappointed by the venom spewed at him for him stating his opinion. The reason I liked this site so much is that people on here help themselves to a higher standard then those on left wing sites.

Buzz, you are right, it's a ball on his first night. I didn't vote for Obama, but I will serve under him and will give him a chance. I am more worried about what he will do to the military and our budget, where he will deploy us next. I'm not worried about a ball. There are worse ways to show us disrespect.

766 Taqiyyotomist  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 3:42:50pm

re: #745 Guanxi88

Yeah, he was good about playing along, stringing folks along with him.. I think of Mel's Hole in connection with this. You knew Art was just having a good time with a whacky story.

I guess I never listened long enough to detect that. I always assumed he just believed every kook who called. I never could take more than an hour or so of the show.

767 goddessoftheclassroom  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 3:43:05pm

re: #754 jwb7605

I watched the Washington bio on the History Channel, and learned that Washington became a Colonel in the British Army. I didn't know that.

Yes, had he been offered a promotion in His Majesty's Army as he hoped, things may have turned out quite differently...

768 LGoPs  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 3:43:13pm

re: #760 Guanxi88

I thought it was "Mother-F*cking Media" You learn something new everyday

Actually, I stand corrected but either way works.......
:)

769 JCM  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 3:43:20pm

re: #746 yochanan

there is the old guns vs butter thing and obama and the donks like butter.

Free government butter from methane free, free range cows no less.

770 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 3:43:33pm

re: #732 goddessoftheclassroom

No, I'm not. I do know my genealogy back several hundred years.

Slavery has been throughout all civilizations everywhere. It is possible your ancestors were thralls in Scandinavia (if you came from there), or slaves in ancient Rome or Greece (Aesop was a slave, remember?). There was slavery everywhere, even ancient Israel, where they were all descendants of slaves.

If you are descended from Sacajawea, you are descended from a slave--she was a war captive. My uncle worked with a NW Indian tribe that had had a slave caste up until way late. A woman in the tribe got an advanced degree with the thought she could come back and reform the tribal school and really turned things around. When she came back, she was told she could never hold a top position at the school because her grandfather had been slave caste.

This is why I'm against reparations. We all owe all of us. Even if you can prove your ancestors didn't hold slaves or weren't slaves in this country, you can't prove they didn't hold them in another, at some time.

771 Guanxi88  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 3:43:42pm

re: #766 Taqiyyotomist

I guess I never listened long enough to detect that. I always assumed he just believed every kook who called. I never could take more than an hour or so of the show.

I worked graveyard for about 5 years, and really got to appreciate the show and the guy.

772 n in wi  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 3:43:44pm

re: #747 goddessoftheclassroom

But technically they weren't Americans--they were British citizens living in a colony!

Darn it, now I wish I would have bet someone.

773 opnion  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 3:43:52pm

re: #743 Taqiyyotomist

I think you have to go back to Ayers and Dohrn for the answer to that question. And I think the answer would be, "Because he wants America destroyed." You did read Prairie Fire, right?

I think that the Obama's signaled during the campaign that America is a wicked country. I have always thought that they intend to punish us.
I really don't think that they would welcome a nuclear attack though, they have kids.

774 WhiteRasta  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 3:44:12pm

re: #763 FurryOldGuyJeans

I refer to them as the Dinosaur Media......

775 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 3:44:37pm

re: #762 Soona'

I'll contribute the piss.

I need money, piss I have, lots of it. Money I don't have. I don't have a pot to piss in. Wait... then how can I... oh, my head hurts.

776 solomonpanting  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 3:44:53pm

re: #746 yochanan

there is the old guns vs butter thing and obama and the donks like butter.

Any way to wrap weapon's spending in I Can't Believe It's Not Butter packaging?

777 steve  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 3:44:59pm

re: #703 WhiteRasta

Even that ass-clown peanut farmer was not booed at the incoming President's inauguration.

Yeah, I know. Just goes to show you what low life we have running the country and their supporters.

778 Guanxi88  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 3:45:11pm

re: #773 opnion

I think that the Obama's signaled during the campaign that America is a wicked country. I have always thought that they intend to punish us.
I really don't think that they would welcome a nuclear attack though, they have kids.

Yeah, I've gotta say, I doubt very much that Barry O wants that on his watch, or ever. Punished, yes, but not destroyed.

779 Taqiyyotomist  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 3:45:20pm
re: #765 Efoster
"There are worse ways to show us disrespect."

As we shall soon find out. Maybe even tomorrow.

780 Kragar  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 3:45:34pm

re: #742 CIA Reject

If your client is a government agency you should know that computer security in most government agencies has almost nothing to do with how secure the networks are.

It's all about audits.

And audits are all about paperwork. If the paperwork is in order then the agency passes the audit and the security manager gets a good performance review. And all is happiness.

Penetration tests and network scans are done so that the appropriate boxes can be checked off on the all important paperwork.

And if the boxes are checked then the paperwork is in order, and if the paperwork is in order then the agency passes the audit.

It's the "Radar O'Reilly" method of network security...

Yup. Thats exactly what we have here. Audit audit audit with no real security analysis. This was supposed to be an actual audit testing processes and baselines and its just been tossed aside to go ahead with business as usual.

Been doing this for the last 5 years and its frustrating as hell. My new project consists of copying cells out a spreadsheet and copying them into a power point slide show, adusting the font and colors so they have a pretty report to show. What the fuck has that got to do with security?

If I didn't have a family to think of, I'd walk out.

781 opnion  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 3:45:54pm

re: #754 jwb7605

I watched the Washington bio on the History Channel, and learned that Washington became a Colonel in the British Army. I didn't know that.


There is actually a possibility that Washington fired the first shot in the French Indian War. It was he or someone under his command when they ere in the Ohio Territory.

782 tokyobk  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 3:46:41pm

re: #781 opnion

I read that his sole ambition was to be a General and that early failures took him off that path. Thank God.

783 big L  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 3:46:58pm

be glad he skipped it.

784 tokyobk  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 3:47:02pm

...a General in the British Army that is...

785 Taqiyyotomist  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 3:47:12pm

re: #773 opnion

I think that the Obama's signaled during the campaign that America is a wicked country. I have always thought that they intend to punish us.
I really don't think that they would welcome a nuclear attack though, they have kids.

Do they have a holding on a man-made island in Dubai? I'm gonna guess yes.

786 steve  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 3:47:18pm

re: #776 solomonpanting

Any way to wrap weapon's spending in I Can't Believe It's Not Butter packaging?

All weapons crates will from now on will be labeled butter.

787 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 3:47:39pm

We have no butter, but I ask you
Would you rather have butter or guns?
Shall we import Lard or Steel?

Let me tell you
Preparedness makes us powerful
Butter merely makes us fat

(got that from the liner notes of a Prodigy cd)

788 goddessoftheclassroom  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 3:47:45pm

re: #770 EmmmieG

I can prove (or at least show that no record to the contrary exists) that no direct ancestor of mine going back 20 generations was a slave, serf, or indentured servant, nor did any of them own another human being.

I agree that it doesn't matter now, but blanket generalities, especially those that don't apply to me, annoy me,

789 Guanxi88  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 3:48:25pm

re: #785 Taqiyyotomist

Do they have a holding on a man-made island in Dubai? I'm gonna guess yes.

Dubai, eh? Well, good luck to them with that. Once the oil runs out, it'll be a real cheap buy, I daresay.

790 Maximu§  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 3:48:37pm

I'm glad the Dali-Bama didn't go to the American Legion's ball....he doesn't deserve to be in the same room with our Hero's!

Fuck-Off Obama!

God help our soldiers, sailors and airmen.

791 redc1c4  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 3:49:00pm

re: #750 Walter L. Newton

That's sort of skirting close with Charles' rule of no comment relating to committing violence.

evidently Charles thought so too.......

792 Guanxi88  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 3:49:08pm

re: #790 Maximu§

I'm glad the Dali-Bama didn't go to the American Legion's ball....he doesn't deserve to be in the same room with our Hero's!

Dalai-Bama. I like that one. Yes, that works.

793 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 3:49:26pm

re: #780 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Yup. Thats exactly what we have here. Audit audit audit with no real security analysis. This was supposed to be an actual audit testing processes and baselines and its just been tossed aside to go ahead with business as usual.

Been doing this for the last 5 years and its frustrating as hell. My new project consists of copying cells out a spreadsheet and copying them into a power point slide show, adusting the font and colors so they have a pretty report to show. What the fuck has that got to do with security?

If I didn't have a family to think of, I'd walk out.

You sound just like our security guy when I worked for the DOE. It was more important to check off those boxes on the audits then really advance the security of our lab. It drove him crazy.

And then you got those directives down from HQ in DC, and they had like yesterday deadlines on them, because some fool in DC didn't get the damn thing distributed on time, but that didn't matter, everything had to stop just to fulfill the directive on time.

Really, what I know about the actual LACK of security in government computer networks would scare ya.

794 jwb7605  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 3:49:33pm

re: #781 opnion

There is actually a possibility that Washington fired the first shot in the French Indian War. It was he or someone under his command when they ere in the Ohio Territory.

The show said that Washington may have killed the commander of the party, although it said other reports say that the Indian (with Washington's force) committed the act. In either case, there is apparently strong evidence that the whole party was supposed to be a negotiating party. That was pretty much the last shot fired, or tomahawk wielded, as the case may be.

795 opnion  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 3:49:34pm

re: #782 tokyobk

I read that his sole ambition was to be a General and that early failures took him off that path. Thank God.

You must have read "His Excellency George Washington?"
His siblings were all achievers & he saw leading the Virginia militia as a way for him to make a name for himself & get land.
He was without question quite a guy. He was masterful holding the Continental Army together.

796 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 3:49:40pm

re: #774 WhiteRasta

I refer to them as the Dinosaur Media......

This whole notion that dinosaurs were an evolutionary backwater is just so wrong. For the entire age of dinosaurs they were so advanced such that no mammals ever evolved larger than a small housecat. The only reason dinosaurs are looked at as failures is because they are all dead, but the geological history says something else about their being failures. Blame that on blind luck and one big rock.

If only mammals as a family survive half as long.

797 TheMatrix31  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 3:49:45pm

Where exactly in the Bible does it say "put aside such childish things"?

Serious question.

798 Silhouette  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 3:49:57pm

re: #747 goddessoftheclassroom

But technically they weren't Americans--they were British citizens living in a colony!

I know. That post was for those out there who think everyone arrived just before the Revolution. There were 169 years between Jamestown and Lexington. Time enough for five or six generations (so clearly the Washingtons were "late comers." ;-)

799 opnion  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 3:50:11pm

re: #785 Taqiyyotomist

Do they have a holding on a man-made island in Dubai? I'm gonna guess yes.

Great question.

800 quickjustice  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 3:50:14pm

re: #754 jwb7605

George Washington's brother Lawrence served under Admiral Vernon of the British Navy, a naval hero, before the American Revolution. Hence, "Mt. Vernon".

801 Guanxi88  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 3:50:21pm

re: #797 TheMatrix31

Where exactly in the Bible does it say "put aside such childish things"?

Serious question.

I think Paul said it in the New Testament. My tribe don't read that one much, but it has the ring of Paul.

802 redc1c4  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 3:50:52pm

re: #761 tokyobk

Um.... and several hundred years before that?

Are you Irish, Scottish, English (and not Prince Charles but probably him too), Jewish, Russian, Anything Slavic (and yes that really is a shared etymology)... ?

If the answer is yes, then your ancestors were slaves, serfs, indentured.

But, if you are not, than fine by me. We are all free, at least for now, at least in America.

FTFY!

803 Silhouette  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 3:51:02pm

re: #757 n in wi

Wow, glad I didn't bet anyone. What did you win,if it 's OK to say in public?

That made me laugh out loud!

I feel boring because I think it was $5.

804 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 3:51:09pm

re: #765 Efoster

There are worse ways to show us disrespect.

For his first day on the job that is small consolation.

805 ArmyWife  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 3:51:09pm

I want to say I am shocked. But I'm not. What I didn't expect was the level of disgust I feel in the pit of my stomach.

806 Taqiyyotomist  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 3:51:34pm

re: #789 Guanxi88

Dubai, eh? Well, good luck to them with that. Once the oil runs out, it'll be a real cheap buy, I daresay.

Already is, I hear. Dubai's pretty much stopped all that construction. I was appropriately gleeful and brimming with schadenfreude when I read about it.

Really incredible architecture, too. Just amazing. They have a World Trade Center going up....I cannot relate the (dark as hell) thoughts I had when I saw the pics. Yes, I hope that Dubai is a ghost town of glass and steel. A really pretty ghost town.

807 opnion  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 3:51:40pm

re: #801 Guanxi88

I think Paul said it in the New Testament. My tribe don't read that one much, but it has the ring of Paul.

It was Paul

808 goddessoftheclassroom  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 3:51:51pm

re: #801 Guanxi88

I think Paul said it in the New Testament. My tribe don't read that one much, but it has the ring of Paul.

First Corinthians 13

809 unakite  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 3:52:00pm

re: #532 eschew_obfuscation

You can no more reduce the nation to a collection of laws and executive decisions that you can reduce human existence to a collection of bones and sinew.

People serve the country because they're proud of it and want to keep it secure ..... an increasingly outdated concept called patriotism, not merely because they like our collection of laws.

But they won't continue to volunteer so easily if they are not supported .... and support is more than tanks, and guns .... it includes moral support. What Obama has done in skipping the ball sends a message of a lack of moral support, especially when taken in context with his skipping out on a tour of a military hospital in Germany during his campaign.

I expect more from my commander in chief. As it turns out, that's no more than I expect from all Americans.

I wanted to respond earlier, but you said it better than I could have.

810 Kragar  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 3:52:05pm

re: #793 Walter L. Newton

Seeing that I'm not the only one seeing this crap and its not just here makes me feel better. At least I know this crap is everywhere and the grass isn't greener anywhere else

811 HoosierHoops  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 3:52:48pm

re: #797 TheMatrix31

Where exactly in the Bible does it say "put aside such childish things"?

Serious question.

I Cornithians 13 I think

812 zelnaga  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 3:53:00pm

One thing I'm wondering is... how did Obama make "reservations", as it were? If he said "I'll be there" for a ball that took place at the same time as the Medal of Honor Ball, before knowing when the Medal of Honor Ball was (seems to me, though, like he should have decided on the balls after all the times had been submitted), he might have felt it inappropriate to renege on his earlier commitment (not that the presidency is a "first come, first serve" type job - if we're at defcon 1, he ought not be participating in some photo-op at a elementary school simply because that was scheduled before us going to defcon 1 was).

813 Guanxi88  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 3:53:05pm

re: #806 Taqiyyotomist

Already is, I hear. Dubai's pretty much stopped all that construction. I was appropriately gleeful and brimming with schadenfreude when I read about it.

Really incredible architecture, too. Just amazing. They have a World Trade Center going up....I cannot relate the (dark as hell) thoughts I had when I saw the pics. Yes, I hope that Dubai is a ghost town of glass and steel. A really pretty ghost town.

Still, good luck to them with it. Seems to me a damned foolish idea, but what do I know?

814 carefulnow  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 3:53:06pm

Hey! Is this snub even true? What about this post from the American Legion today? They don't sound snubbed...[Link: ourvoice.legion.org...]

815 jaunte  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 3:53:36pm

re: #797 TheMatrix31

Where exactly in the Bible does it say "put aside such childish things"?

Serious question.

1 Corinthians
13:11 When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things.

Look at the next passage:

13:12 For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known.

816 Silhouette  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 3:53:39pm

re: #797 TheMatrix31

Where exactly in the Bible does it say "put aside such childish things"?

Serious question.

1st Corinthians 13

817 redc1c4  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 3:53:40pm

re: #765 Efoster

As a member of the military (and one injured in Iraq), I must agree with Buzz and I am disappointed by the venom spewed at him for him stating his opinion. The reason I liked this site so much is that people on here help themselves to a higher standard then those on left wing sites.

Buzz, you are right, it's a ball on his first night. I didn't vote for Obama, but I will serve under him and will give him a chance. I am more worried about what he will do to the military and our budget, where he will deploy us next. I'm not worried about a ball. There are worse ways to show us disrespect.

don't worry about that: he'll be finding them sooner than you care to believe.

/glad i'm out now

818 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 3:53:51pm

re: #810 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Seeing that I'm not the only one seeing this crap and its not just here makes me feel better. At least I know this crap is everywhere and the grass isn't greener anywhere else

And I was talking about the DOE 4 years ago. That's when I was laid off after being with them 13 years.

Are you a government employee?

819 Marvo76  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 3:54:42pm

re: #718 Iron Fist

I can't believe that he believes China, Russia, etc. would follow suit. He's too intelligent to believe that. But I can also believe that he would persue unilateral American disarmament. That is really just boiler-plate Leftwing doctrine.

And I'm positive that he has said that he will end American R&D into viable ballistic missile defense. He's said it many times. I have no doubt he will persue it now that he has the power to do so.

The question is, why does Obama want the United States to be vulnerable to nuclear attack?

My guess is he wants something to happen to declare matial law and have the UN come in to "adminster" to the US, bringing us in to a "enlightened" society rather than a nationialistic state such as we are now...

820 [deleted]  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 3:54:47pm
821 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 3:54:52pm

re: #814 carefulnow

Hey! Is this snub even true? What about this post from the American Legion today? They don't sound snubbed...[Link: ourvoice.legion.org...]

Different organization....the snug was against Medal of Honor winners.

822 Soona'  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 3:54:57pm

re: #765 Efoster

As a member of the military (and one injured in Iraq), I must agree with Buzz and I am disappointed by the venom spewed at him for him stating his opinion. The reason I liked this site so much is that people on here help themselves to a higher standard then those on left wing sites.

Buzz, you are right, it's a ball on his first night. I didn't vote for Obama, but I will serve under him and will give him a chance. I am more worried about what he will do to the military and our budget, where he will deploy us next. I'm not worried about a ball. There are worse ways to show us disrespect.

How? What would piss you off? When he lowers your pay? When he starts taking away the things you think you deserve?

823 CIA Reject  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 3:55:25pm

re: #780 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Yup. Thats exactly what we have here. Audit audit audit with no real security analysis. This was supposed to be an actual audit testing processes and baselines and its just been tossed aside to go ahead with business as usual.

Been doing this for the last 5 years and its frustrating as hell. My new project consists of copying cells out a spreadsheet and copying them into a power point slide show, adusting the font and colors so they have a pretty report to show. What the fuck has that got to do with security?

If I didn't have a family to think of, I'd walk out.

I've been there- you have my sympathy.

I've also been in places where they tried to do it right (defense in depth and intense IDS) and that has it's challenges as well- especially the "intense IDS" stuff.

"We have met the enemy and he is us" - and worse...

At the end of the day it is best to bank the paycheck and go home to the family.

824 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 3:55:26pm

re: #797 TheMatrix31

Where exactly in the Bible does it say "put aside such childish things"?

Serious question.


1 Cor. 13: 11
11 When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things.

825 quickjustice  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 3:55:29pm

re: #797 TheMatrix31

Paul's first letter to the church at Corinth:

I Corinthians 13:11: "When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things."

826 jwb7605  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 3:55:31pm

re: #814 carefulnow

Hey! Is this snub even true? What about this post from the American Legion today? They don't sound snubbed...[Link: ourvoice.legion.org...]

The article indicates that was done from the CIC ball. Videoconference.

827 TheMatrix31  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 3:55:33pm

re: #808 goddessoftheclassroom

First Corinthians 13

Thanks, Goddess.

828 NYCHardhat  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 3:55:37pm

This is going to be a long 4 years.

829 steve  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 3:55:41pm

re: #797 TheMatrix31

Where exactly in the Bible does it say "put aside such childish things"?

Serious question.

The closest I could find is: 1 Corinthians 13:11
When I was a child, I thought like a child, I reasoned like a child. When I became a man, I put childish ways behind me.

830 Silhouette  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 3:55:41pm

1st Corinthians 13 is known as

The Wedding chapter, because it is read at SOOOOOO many weddings.

831 Guanxi88  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 3:55:45pm

re: #815 jaunte

1 Corinthians
13:11 When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things.

Look at the next passage:

13:12 For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known.

I always thought that part was, after the opening of the Book of John, some of the most amazingly beautiful scripture of Christianity. It has poetry, it has art, it has philosophy. As an outsider, I can really appreciate it.

832 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 3:55:49pm

re: #814 carefulnow

Hey! Is this snub even true? What about this post from the American Legion today? They don't sound snubbed...[Link: ourvoice.legion.org...]

Wrong event. That was the Commander in Chief's Inaugural Ball, not the Medal of Honor Ball. Did you read the article?

833 TheMatrix31  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 3:56:06pm

re: #827 TheMatrix31

Thanks, Goddess.

And thanks to everyone else who posted after I refreshed the comments, haha.

834 WhiteRasta  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 3:56:23pm

re: #793 Walter L. Newton

Aieee! Watch what you say on a public forum.

Loose lips sink ships.....

835 redc1c4  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 3:56:50pm

re: #814 carefulnow

Hey! Is this snub even true? What about this post from the American Legion today? They don't sound snubbed...[Link: ourvoice.legion.org...]

why would the Legion make a fuss? at that level, they're a lobbying group, and it would only hurt their efforts.

836 NYCHardhat  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 3:56:50pm
837 goddessoftheclassroom  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 3:57:11pm

re: #831 Guanxi88

I always thought that part was, after the opening of the Book of John, some of the most amazingly beautiful scripture of Christianity. It has poetry, it has art, it has philosophy. As an outsider, I can really appreciate it.

I encourage all my students to read the Bible as a work of literature because so much of Western literature and art alludes to it.

838 Kragar  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 3:57:20pm

re: #818 Walter L. Newton

And I was talking about the DOE 4 years ago. That's when I was laid off after being with them 13 years.

Are you a government employee?

Contractor, government contract.

I miss the Marines, where we actually enforced security. When I was at Camp Lejeune, we would actually go along with MPs and NCIS to secure and isolate computer issues on occassion. Those were the days.

839 NYCHardhat  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 3:57:41pm
840 Dustyvet  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 3:58:31pm

Rep. Jack Murtha, D-Pa., says he'd be willing to house prisoners from Guantanamo Bay in his congressional district if President Obama makes good on a plan to close the U.S. prison there.

As one of his first acts in office, the president circulated a draft Wednesday that would shut down Guantanamo Bay within a year.

Murtha only has a minimum security prison in his district. But he says he'd have no reservations about holding detainees there in a maximum security prison.

"Sure, I'd take 'em," said Murtha, an outspoken critic of the Iraq war. "They're no more dangerous in my district than in Guantanamo."

Murtha added that there was "no reason not to put 'em in prisons in the United States and handle them the way they would handle any other prisoners."

841 rawmuse  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 3:58:44pm

re: #781 opnion

There is actually a possibility that Washington fired the first shot in the French Indian War. It was he or someone under his command when they ere in the Ohio Territory.

Washington was known as the "Hero of the Monongohela" while still in his twenties, before he became a revolutionary. His superior officer was killed quickly and Washington took command.

842 [deleted]  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 3:58:45pm
843 Guanxi88  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 3:58:52pm

re: #837 goddessoftheclassroom

I encourage all my students to read the Bible as a work of literature because so much of Western literature and art alludes to it.

The depths of cultural ignorance in the modern West are as yet unplumbed. There seems to be no limits to it.

Me, I'm considered "well-read" and educated, but I know perfectly well that in previous generations, I'd be considered, at best, an indifferently educated guy. Sad, really.

844 ArmyWife  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 3:59:04pm

re: #812 zelnaga

If this yahoo was the first to snub this ball in 56 years, someone, somewhere new the importance of this and should have had it on the list of "must attends" v. the "if we can get there" attends. I would suggest skipping "Africa on the Potomac" could have been achieved rather easily, as could that infamous "BET" shindig that has been in existence for, oh I don't know, what time did that one kick off?

845 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 3:59:37pm

Wow, are we fast on the search, or what? I think you got 20 answers in about two minutes.

There are lots of searchable web-bibles out there. The LDS church has one here, but be warned that covers all of our scriptures. There is an option, after your first click on search, to narrow it down to just the Bible.

846 carefulnow  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 3:59:44pm

re: #832 Walter L. Newton

Well, that's what I'm trying to find - a first-hand account of the ball. Where was it held? I can't find a story about it.

847 tokyobk  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 3:59:45pm
Many of the slaves are believed to have come from houses and farms in Virginia, Maryland and the District of Columbia. Before the 1861-65 Civil War, Virginia was the largest slaveholding state, with a little more than 400,000 slaves. (In part because of that history, the fact that a majority of Virginia's voters supported Obama in the presidential election was seen as important.) There were about 100,000 slaves in Maryland and more than 3,000 in the District.

ruh, roh.

848 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 3:59:54pm

re: #834 WhiteRasta

Aieee! Watch what you say on a public forum.
Loose lips sink ships.....


Do you honestly think that what I just said is not a known fact among the expert hackers, spies and foreign governments. My goodness, it doesn't take my statement for professionals to know what I stated.

If you know what you are doing, that info becomes apparent to anyone who knows what they are doing and tried to hack a government network.

Just google around the internet on the topic of hacking and cracking and security. Hell, there are thousand and thousand of places to go to get just the info you need.

Really!

849 Son of the Black Dog  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 4:00:01pm

re: #541 Silhouette

Exactly.

All those defending him, what if he pulled down the American flag next to his podium and urinated on it.

That would just be symbolism, not policy.

But would it be an indication of what his policy is going to be? What he values? What he disdains? Who is will seek to please?

Or what if he had a political mentor who was photographed stepping on the American flag? What would that indicate?

850 quickjustice  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 4:00:16pm

Snubbing the military? Hold your fire: this is small change. Just wait until he revokes "Don't ask, don't tell!"

851 stead63  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 4:00:24pm

Oh you didn't know? Bono was throwing a kick ass party where they hugged trees and Africans with aids and then drank Cristal and continued on with the 150 million dollar celebration. War vets? What are those? in fact...wars? what wars? we don't do that...we just sit down and talk...

852 goddessoftheclassroom  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 4:00:29pm

re: #840 Dustyvet

Rep. Jack Murtha, D-Pa., says he'd be willing to house prisoners from Guantanamo Bay in his congressional district if President Obama makes good on a plan to close the U.S. prison there.

As one of his first acts in office, the president circulated a draft Wednesday that would shut down Guantanamo Bay within a year.

Murtha only has a minimum security prison in his district. But he says he'd have no reservations about holding detainees there in a maximum security prison.

"Sure, I'd take 'em," said Murtha, an outspoken critic of the Iraq war. "They're no more dangerous in my district than in Guantanamo."

Murtha added that there was "no reason not to put 'em in prisons in the United States and handle them the way they would handle any other prisoners."

I live in his district...

853 Silhouette  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 4:00:34pm

re: #845 EmmmieG

Wow, are we fast on the search, or what? I think you got 20 answers in about two minutes.

Some of us didn't use a search. That chapter is pretty well known.

...And the greatest of these is love (charity).

854 tokyobk  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 4:00:49pm

...there is apparently a good record of the slaves who built the white house and capitol. It would not be hard to check Anne Arundel County...

855 jwb7605  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 4:00:50pm

re: #839 NYCHardhat

For being useless, you won't get a raise.

If somebody is looking for a positive on O's actions today, I do like the rules he has imposed on lobbyists.

856 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 4:00:56pm

re: #836 NYCHardhat

Ok. Now I'm relieved.

I was scared to click on that link. It thought maybe it was going to be a picture of you taking a piss or something like that.
/

857 ArmyWife  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 4:01:02pm

re: #836 NYCHardhat

Oh! Well then. Nevermind. Delete my previous thoughts.

By the way - hi, y'all.

858 WhiteRasta  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 4:01:12pm

re: #848 Walter L. Newton

Ah. I learn something here, every day!

859 Taqiyyotomist  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 4:01:12pm

I wish I could find a post I made here a couple years ago. I predicted, even as President Bush was excoriated and labelled a Theocrat (by the left) and that we should all fear his Christofascist demeanor...that the next Democrat president would be quoting the Bible, often, and it would be A-Okay with the left. Just like Albert Gore, acting like a black preacher, pacing the stage, rhyming his words and shouting hallelujah and asking can I get an Amen.

Did President Obama really quote Corinthians? Crickets from the left...

The left knows that the Democrat politician is just using the bible, and that the Republican politician, even though not as vocal publicly, actually believes the Word of God.

Rather, the spirit which is in them knows the spirit which is in the leader, and they act accordingly.

860 Silhouette  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 4:01:15pm

re: #849 Son of the Black Dog

Or what if he had a political mentor who was photographed stepping on the American flag? What would that indicate?

I see nuuuuuuthin.

/msm

861 Dustyvet  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 4:01:47pm

re: #852 goddessoftheclassroom

I live in his district...

"Sure, I'd take 'em," said Murtha, an outspoken critic of the Iraq war. "They're no more dangerous in my district than in Guantanamo."

Run for it...:)

862 [deleted]  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 4:02:16pm
863 goddessoftheclassroom  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 4:02:41pm

re: #842 buzzsawmonkey

Anyone who does not know the Bible (KJV for preference), the works of Shakespeare, and the Greek myths will forever be stumbling blind in the magnificent forest that is English literature.

Sadder still, some don't even care.

864 Soona'  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 4:02:52pm

re: #843 Guanxi88

The depths of cultural ignorance in the modern West are as yet unplumbed. There seems to be no limits to it.

Me, I'm considered "well-read" and educated, but I know perfectly well that in previous generations, I'd be considered, at best, an indifferently educated guy. Sad, really.

Does Penthouse Forum count as cultured?
//;)

865 quickjustice  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 4:03:13pm

re: #840 Dustyvet

De-militarization and re-criminalization of the war on terror. First priority of the Democrats-- until we're again attacked.

The maximum security federal pen in Pennsylvania is at Lewisburg. That's where Jimmy Hoffa was held. On Hoffa's birthday, the Teamsters hired a skywriting plane to write "Happy Birthday, Jimmy" in the sky over the pen.

866 NYCHardhat  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 4:03:29pm

re: #856 Walter L. Newton

I was scared to click on that link. It thought maybe it was going to be a picture of you taking a piss or something like that.
/

I wish I was that witty.

867 Guanxi88  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 4:03:30pm

re: #864 Soona'

Does Penthouse Forum count as cultured?
//;)

Depends on what you're trying to culture.

(And you WILL go blind from that!)

868 ArmyWife  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 4:03:39pm

re: #852 goddessoftheclassroom

And how excited are YOU for this? Let me say I don't live in his district, but it's too close for comfort. I really wonder if Murtha isn't suffering some un (or mis) diagnosed brain dysfunction. You can't be that dumb on purpose, right?

869 [deleted]  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 4:03:45pm
870 Dustyvet  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 4:03:46pm

re: #865 quickjustice

De-militarization and re-criminalization of the war on terror. First priority of the Democrats-- until we're again attacked.

The maximum security federal pen in Pennsylvania is at Lewisburg. That's where Jimmy Hoffa was held. On Hoffa's birthday, the Teamsters hired a skywriting plane to write "Happy Birthday, Jimmy" in the sky over the pen.

Groan...:(

871 Joan  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 4:03:50pm

Snob.
What a shallow, conceited prig.
Fool.
Loathsome, oily, smug, censorious. In less than one day, he has destroyed the careful deceit he fashioned for us about honoring our warriors.

I'm already sick of his smarmy pandering, his facile, manipulative, fraudulent words larded with vanity and hypocrisy.

We are in serious trouble with this one, because he cannot be taken to task. The media will not report and the people will not care. This is the first, but it will not be the worst, of his derelictions. He's a curse on this nation.

872 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 4:04:12pm

re: #858 WhiteRasta

Ah. I learn something here, every day!

I re-read my comment. Sorry, it was a bit muddled, but I think you got my drift.

873 Kragar  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 4:04:18pm

re: #848 Walter L. Newton

Do you honestly think that what I just said is not a known fact among the expert hackers, spies and foreign governments. My goodness, it doesn't take my statement for professionals to know what I stated.

If you know what you are doing, that info becomes apparent to anyone who knows what they are doing and tried to hack a government network.

Just google around the internet on the topic of hacking and cracking and security. Hell, there are thousand and thousand of places to go to get just the info you need.

Really!

Its not exactly a government secret:

Govt' Earns 'C' on Computer Security Report Card

874 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 4:04:23pm

re: #853 Silhouette

I could almost quote the scripture from memory, but I had no idea where it was. I'm bad that way. I remember the text, but not the reference.

This is a booger when you are LDS and you have more books to search.

875 WhiteRasta  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 4:04:31pm

Bush's second inauguration cost 70 Million. I remember CNN and the rest of the dinosaur media talking about how many homeless could have been housed with that money.

Not a peep out of the left about twice that being spent on Obama's inauguration.

876 Soona'  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 4:04:39pm

re: #855 jwb7605

If somebody is looking for a positive on O's actions today, I do like the rules he has imposed on lobbyists.

It's a smokescreen.

877 tokyobk  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 4:04:48pm

re: #862 ploome hineni

I have a friend who lived in Ghana who told me the servants at the Nation of Islam compound there were treated like crap. Yeah, there may be more people numerically held in slavery today than in the Atlantic system 300 years ago, although obviously not % wise.

878 steve  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 4:05:07pm

re: #843 Guanxi88

The depths of cultural ignorance in the modern West are as yet unplumbed. There seems to be no limits to it.

Me, I'm considered "well-read" and educated, but I know perfectly well that in previous generations, I'd be considered, at best, an indifferently educated guy. Sad, really.

I have three bookshelves in my house that are loaded with American Lit, Russian Lit, The completed works of Shakespere, Text books from college, dictionarys, Concordences, Commentaries on the New Testament and many others.
My kids friends are blown away when they come over for the first time.

And yes I have read about 90% of them. The ones on sewing that my wife has I have not read and have no intention of reading.

Also have auto and motorcycle maint. books there too.

879 CommonCents  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 4:05:27pm

Can't vote present and can't even claim to have been present.

880 TheMatrix31  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 4:05:55pm

re: #859 Taqiyyotomist

I wish I could find a post I made here a couple years ago. I predicted, even as President Bush was excoriated and labelled a Theocrat (by the left) and that we should all fear his Christofascist demeanor...that the next Democrat president would be quoting the Bible, often, and it would be A-Okay with the left. Just like Albert Gore, acting like a black preacher, pacing the stage, rhyming his words and shouting hallelujah and asking can I get an Amen.

Did President Obama really quote Corinthians? Crickets from the left...

The left knows that the Democrat politician is just using the bible, and that the Republican politician, even though not as vocal publicly, actually believes the Word of God.

Rather, the spirit which is in them knows the spirit which is in the leader, and they act accordingly.

That is one of the best points I've ever seen made on LGF, and I've seen a good amount.

881 WhiteRasta  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 4:06:02pm

re: #872 Walter L. Newton

Oh yes. Absolutely.

882 Dustyvet  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 4:06:11pm

re: #879 CommonCents

Can't vote present and can't even claim to have been present.

Hall Pass maybe?

883 goddessoftheclassroom  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 4:06:52pm

re: #868 ArmyWife

And how excited are YOU for this? Let me say I don't live in his district, but it's too close for comfort. I really wonder if Murtha isn't suffering some un (or mis) diagnosed brain dysfunction. You can't be that dumb on purpose, right?

I'm outraged. These are, at the VERY most, the equivalent of POWs. I don't want the cost and responsibility of housing them ANYWHERE near where I live.

884 n in wi  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 4:07:01pm

re: #855 jwb7605

If somebody is looking for a positive on O's actions today, I do like the rules he has imposed on lobbyists.

I think a law went into affect Jan 1 09 about former congressmen, retiring after this date, not being able to work for a lobbyist for 2 years after leaving office. Some retirements were assigned to this motive.
But Obama wouldn't take credit for a law already in affect,would he?

885 Lively  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 4:07:03pm

Obama's first telephone call was to Abbas and then Obama halts the trials of the 9/11 masterminds. Don't like what I'm seeing....so far.

link

886 [deleted]  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 4:07:11pm
887 Guanxi88  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 4:07:11pm

re: #874 EmmmieG

I could almost quote the scripture from memory, but I had no idea where it was. I'm bad that way. I remember the text, but not the reference.

This is a booger when you are LDS and you have more books to search.

You oughta try being a Hebrew. We got Torah, we got the Prophets, we got the Writings (all together, your Old Testament). Then we got Mishna, Talmud, Haggadah, Halakhic literature, Midrash, etc., etc. You sort of swim around in this stuff and can quote and bring it to bear, but you can't remember where you read it.

Which is, if I remember my Ezra Pound (a vicious bigot and a great mind) the very definition of culture.

888 karmic_inquisitor  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 4:08:05pm

Well Obama has shown his priorities in the Middle East -

Obama calls Abbas first

The spokesman for President Abbas revealed that Mr Obama had told the Palestinian leader that their conversation was his first with a foreign leader since taking office. The new President had promised to “deploy every possible effort to achieve peace”, the spokesman said.

This is reminiscent of Madeline Albright chasing PLO terrorist Arafat down the hall when Arafat decided that peace would no longer provide him with sufficient graft and extortion possibilities .

Well - at least the Chicago hustler can recognize a fellow tradesman.

889 [deleted]  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 4:08:19pm
890 Silhouette  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 4:08:37pm

re: #859 Taqiyyotomist

...even as President Bush was excoriated and labelled a Theocrat ...that the next Democrat president would be quoting the Bible,

Imagine the spin on this if it were Bush.

...And, you know, in my heart, at least, I felt God's spirit beckoning me. So ultimately, as I write in [“The Audacity of Hope”], I submitted myself to his will, dedicated myself to discovering his truths.

...

The prayer that I tell myself every night is a fairly simple one: I ask in the name of Jesus Christ that my sins are forgiven, that my family is protected and that I am an instrument of God's will. I'm constantly trying to align myself to what I think he calls on me to do. And sometimes you hear it strongly and sometimes that voice is more muted.

Bush wants to be "instrument of God's will."

"Bush says he hears God's voice, sometimes strongly."

"Bush claims God beckoned him."

Etc.

891 [deleted]  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 4:08:43pm
892 JacksonTn  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 4:08:47pm

re: #885 Lively

Obama's first telephone call was to Abbas and then Obama halts the trials of the 9/11 masterminds. Don't like what I'm seeing....so far.

link

Figures ...Khalidi was probably on the speaker phone ...

893 Viking6  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 4:08:55pm

Just my two cents on the whole O / MOH issue. In the mid 1980's I was fortunate enough to be asked to play golf at Camp Pendleton on Saturdays. This was a result of my employing a retired Marine Master Sgt who became one of the best friends I ever had. The first time I showed up at the course I was introduced to a number of active duty and retired Marine NCOs. Two of whom were in my foursome. After several holes and a few beers I was laughing and joking with them like we had been friends for years.

When we pulled into the clubhouse and started checking our cards for who owed who what the two guys were brought beers by just about everyone else there. I then found out that both were MOH recipients from Vietnam, R Pittman and J Howard. I do not know the words to say or how to say them but I guarantee you that BHO has no concept of honor or courage and should be taken to task for not honoring these men even with just 5 minutes of his time.

/TOT out

894 Guanxi88  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 4:10:09pm

re: #891 buzzsawmonkey

In for an Ezra penny, in for an Ezra pound, I always say...

Oh, we Canto start that now, can we?

895 Joan  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 4:10:33pm

re: #94 MandyManners

If I owned a paper, the headline would read, "OBAMA SNUBS DISABLED VETS".

Truth. You haz it

896 jwb7605  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 4:10:37pm

re: #884 n in wi

I think a law went into affect Jan 1 09 about former congressmen, retiring after this date, not being able to work for a lobbyist for 2 years after leaving office. Some retirements were assigned to this motive.
But Obama wouldn't take credit for a law already in affect,would he?

The part I liked was a lobbyist not being able to go to work for the government if the government job was related to his lobbying job. I immediately thought of contracts awarded to airplane manufacturers, etc.

897 WhiteRasta  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 4:10:45pm

re: #886 buzzsawmonkey

Man, I work with some young people who cannot communicate, except in grunts and text message.

898 quickjustice  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 4:11:11pm

I've been to the ruins of Corinth, which sits on the isthmus between the Greek mainland and the Peloponnesus. As a consequence of its geography, the city was a destination for sailors seeking a shortcut to the eastern Aegean or Mediterranean Sea.

You're struck by the ruins of the Temple of Venus, in which temple prostitutes were employed as a part of pagan worship, the public baths, frequented by prostitutes, and the agora (Roman marketplace). Paul would have been a street preacher in a very hostile environment.

There also are the ruins of a Fifth Century Byzantine Christian Church. It's very moving.

899 goddessoftheclassroom  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 4:11:15pm

re: #886 buzzsawmonkey

Well, so much of that old stuff is "dull and plodding," as was said of Huckleberry Finn--by an "English teacher"--a thread or two back.

Of course, my middle-school nephews don't even have "English class." They have (drumroll) Communication Arts, which explains why they can barely communicate.

I wonder how old that teacher was. I LOVED

Huck Finn

, and I can't see how Twain can be called "dull and plodding."

Now I admit that The Scarlet Letter is a challenge to "get" because Hawthorne's style is so dense, but it's a brilliant book. I loved teaching it because once the kids got the hang of the plot and characters, they really got in to discussing it. One of my favorite student comments of all time is, "Oh, so Dimmesdale is emo, right?"

900 Soona'  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 4:11:17pm

re: #889 ploome hineni

not treated like slaves, actual slaves

raped, mutilated and shackled and often slaughtered

Black slaves, owned by black Africans

and NO one cares

:D

because of course, it is not the suffering of the black man, that is at issue

the issue is how can the European, the 'white man' be blamed

Well said, Ploome.

901 [deleted]  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 4:12:16pm
902 Maximu§  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 4:13:06pm

re: #897 WhiteRasta

Man, I work with some young people who cannot communicate, except in grunts and text message.

end of book culture
By FRITZ LANHAM Copyright 2009 Houston Chronicle

This may explain why...

903 solomonpanting  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 4:13:36pm

re: #875 WhiteRasta

Bush's second inauguration cost 70 Million. I remember CNN and the rest of the dinosaur media talking about how many homeless could have been housed with that money.

Not a peep out of the left about twice that being spent on Obama's inauguration.

It's called "double standard" you big party pooper.

904 WhiteRasta  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 4:13:51pm

re: #901 buzzsawmonkey

you wouldn't like to know how many emails I have sent back and said:

WHAT IS THIS NONSENSE? PLEASE TRANSLATE IT INTO ENGLISH.

905 Lively  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 4:13:53pm

re: #884 n in wi

But Obama wouldn't take credit for a law already in affect,would he?

When the levies broke (due to, in part, to the Law of Conservation), Bush got the credit. So to answer your question, yes.

906 tokyobk  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 4:13:56pm

re: #894 Guanxi88

Oh, we Canto start that now, can we?

Hey wasn't Pound the Inaugural poet for Jimmy Carter?

/sarc re a propensity of both to blame the Joooooooooooooooos.

907 Silhouette  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 4:14:15pm

re: #874 EmmmieG

I could almost quote the scripture from memory, but I had no idea where it was. I'm bad that way. I remember the text, but not the reference.

Which I guess is important. My children have to learn at least one verse a week, and they are required to cite book, chapter, and verse at the end. I thought that was nitpicky at first, but I can see the benefit of knowing where to find it.

When they were in kindergarten, they learned a verse for each letter. So they became entertainment at gatherings. People would call out a letter and off they'd go.

908 CIA Reject  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 4:14:55pm

re: #903 solomonpanting

It's called "double standard" you big party pooper.

Guess that means it 's twice as good as a regular standard, eh?

909 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 4:14:58pm

re: #887 Guanxi88

Wow. And you're reading it backwards and with the vowels on top and bottom, too. *Grin*

Seriously, I tried learning biblical Hebrew once. I had already learned the Russian alphabet. Hebrew's tougher.

910 Kragar  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 4:15:21pm

off to home I go. I was going to stay late and finish this crap here at work, but fuck it. They dont pay over time and I'm taking it as seriously as they are.

Sorry to vent, just a crappy day.

911 Dustyvet  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 4:15:23pm

re: #888 karmic_inquisitor

Well Obama has shown his priorities in the Middle East -

Obama calls Abbas first

The spokesman for President Abbas revealed that Mr Obama had told the Palestinian leader that their conversation was his first with a foreign leader since taking office. The new President had promised to “deploy every possible effort to achieve peace”, the spokesman said.

This is reminiscent of Madeline Albright chasing PLO terrorist Arafat down the hall when Arafat decided that peace would no longer provide him with sufficient graft and extortion possibilities .

Well - at least the Chicago hustler can recognize a fellow tradesman.

National Franchises now open for money making opportunities contact the Chicago Mayor's City Hall office and become a member of the Chicago Machine...Now open at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue, Washington D. C.

912 Lively  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 4:15:27pm

re: #904 WhiteRasta

you wouldn't like to know how many emails I have sent back and said:

WHAT IS THIS NONSENSE? PLEASE TRANSLATE IT INTO ENGLISH.

Good on ya. I can't stand all that chat speak.

913 goddessoftheclassroom  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 4:15:35pm

re: #904 WhiteRasta

you wouldn't like to know how many emails I have sent back and said:

WHAT IS THIS NONSENSE? PLEASE TRANSLATE IT INTO ENGLISH.

I've been told by many that I'm the only person they know who uses semicolons in text messages.

914 LGoPs  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 4:15:57pm

re: #886 buzzsawmonkey

Well, so much of that old stuff is "dull and plodding," as was said of Huckleberry Finn--by an "English teacher"--a thread or two back.

Of course, my middle-school nephews don't even have "English class." They have (drumroll) Communication Arts, which explains why they can barely communicate.

In the same way history and geography stopped being taught in favor of Social Science. Just what the hell is that anyway. Just a hodgepodge half-baked bunch of crap.
I certainly do not believe that this is a well intentioned 'progressive' improvement of our education system. But I do think it has been engineered by design, for a purpose.
As a wise man said long ago and I paraphrase..."If a foreign power had done to our education system what has been done to it we would have considered it an act of war'........

915 formercorpsman  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 4:16:46pm

re: #775 Walter L. Newton

Walter, I do have to say, after getting home, and following up on this thread, I have belly laughed at least a good 3 or 4 times so far.

You kill me man.

916 bullskin  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 4:17:01pm

I wouldn't feel bad for this if I was a veteran. It's a honor that that man do not deserve.

Time will tell.

917 WhiteRasta  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 4:17:25pm

re: #913 goddessoftheclassroom

Semi colons are racist and smack of colonialism.

U don nd no stkin semi colons.....

918 carefulnow  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 4:17:34pm

I cannot find this ball listed in this exhaustive list of balls.
[Link: www.washington.org...]
Am I blind? Does my Control F function not work? Somebody halp me!

919 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 4:18:08pm

re: #907 Silhouette

Which I guess is important. My children have to learn at least one verse a week, and they are required to cite book, chapter, and verse at the end. I thought that was nitpicky at first, but I can see the benefit of knowing where to find it.

When they were in kindergarten, they learned a verse for each letter. So they became entertainment at gatherings. People would call out a letter and off they'd go.

Excellent. There is value in knowing where to find it.

920 Maximu§  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 4:18:48pm

re: #886 buzzsawmonkey

Well, so much of that old stuff is "dull and plodding," as was said of Huckleberry Finn--by an "English teacher"--a thread or two back.

Of course, my middle-school nephews don't even have "English class." They have (drumroll) Communication Arts, which explains why they can barely communicate.

I remember my 6th grade teacher reading Where the Red Fern Grows and she started me down the road to reading. She cried at the end and its hard not to, but she planted a seed inside of me and I hope to get my little one into reading.

921 goddessoftheclassroom  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 4:18:59pm

re: #919 EmmmieG

Excellent. There is value in knowing where to find it.

The discipline of memorization has been lost in elementary schools, so I applaud you for the method as well as the content!

922 Lively  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 4:19:13pm

re: #913 goddessoftheclassroom

I've been told by many that I'm the only person they know who uses semicolons in text messages.

It took me 2 years to finally start texting. When my kid used to text me, I would say out loud, "Now why is she texting me. She knows I can't text her back."

923 caligal  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 4:19:19pm

off topic here
Caroline Kennedy withdraws her name!

924 jwb7605  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 4:19:25pm

Breaking on Fox:
Caroline Kennedy has withdrawn her name.

925 Guanxi88  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 4:20:01pm

re: #906 tokyobk

Hey wasn't Pound the Inaugural poet for Jimmy Carter?

/sarc re a propensity of both to blame the Joooooooooooooooos.

Hell, if somebody with a quarter of Pound's talents could be found today, it would be a pleasant change from Maya ("the Sioux and the Jew") Angelou and Elizabeth ("Say it plain, that many have died for this day") Alexander.

926 TheMatrix31  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 4:20:28pm

re: #924 jwb7605

Breaking on Fox:
Caroline Kennedy has withdrawn her name.

It's a shame. I thought she was extremely qualified for the position.

**sarcasm**

927 Lively  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 4:20:34pm

re: #923 caligal

off topic here
Caroline Kennedy withdraws her name!

What? For scandalous reasons?

928 jwb7605  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 4:21:38pm

re: #926 TheMatrix31

It's a shame. I thought she was extremely qualified for the position.

**sarcasm**

I was hoping she'd get the nod. Seriously. I posted that many threads ago, because it would have given an (R) a decent shot next election.

929 Soona'  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 4:21:44pm

I'm outta here for now. Despite my disgust and sometimes gloom, I do believe that the American way will prevail. One way or the other.

930 NYCHardhat  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 4:21:44pm
931 Dasher  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 4:21:49pm

re: #924 jwb7605

Breaking on Fox:
Caroline Kennedy has withdrawn her name.

The new round of bidding begins. Who has the most $$$ in NY and wants to be a senator?

932 Lively  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 4:21:53pm

Maybe Caroline didn't pay her taxes.

933 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 4:22:09pm

re: #913 goddessoftheclassroom

I've been told by many that I'm the only person they know who uses semicolons in text messages.

I had an English teacher in high school who was my hero. She set the bar high and expected us to meet it. She taught us how to use a semi-colon; this is a very useful piece of knowledge. Because of her, I was able to crank out papers at 2:30 am (in college) and get an A.

She got through to at least some of us.

934 goddessoftheclassroom  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 4:22:17pm

I bet Bill wants the seat...

935 Silhouette  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 4:22:35pm

re: #927 Lively

What? For scandalous reasons?

What kind of scandal would it have to be to stick to a Kennedy?

Think of all they have gotten away with.

936 Lively  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 4:22:54pm

re: #934 goddessoftheclassroom

I bet Bill wants the seat...


Bill wants Caroline

937 Guanxi88  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 4:22:54pm

re: #934 goddessoftheclassroom

I bet Bill wants the seat...

Thought his predilections were a little further north.

938 goddessoftheclassroom  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 4:23:09pm

re: #933 EmmmieG

I had an English teacher in high school who was my hero. She set the bar high and expected us to meet it. She taught us how to use a semi-colon; this is a very useful piece of knowledge. Because of her, I was able to crank out papers at 2:30 am (in college) and get an A.

She got through to at least some of us.

PLEASE look her up and tell her this! I've had students from my early days find me on Facebook, and it makes my day.

939 solomonpanting  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 4:23:11pm

re: #924 jwb7605

Breaking on Fox:
Caroline Kennedy has withdrawn her name.

She'd be a shoe in if she changed it to Obama.
:P

940 [deleted]  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 4:23:36pm
941 [deleted]  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 4:23:37pm
942 Ay, Caramba  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 4:24:14pm

re: #932 Lively

She doesn't pay taxes when she has never worked a day in her life.

943 ArmyWife  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 4:24:52pm

re: #923 caligal

NO WAY! This is GREAT. Ok, troops. Clean out your coat pockets, in between car seats and under those couch cushions. We are sending me to New York and I'm going to Senator!

944 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 4:25:17pm

re: #938 goddessoftheclassroom

PLEASE look her up and tell her this! I've had students from my early days find me on Facebook, and it makes my day.

I was hoping I wouldn't have to say this part. She passed away, young, a few years after I left high school. I believe in the afterlife, though, so maybe she has heard me tell people what a great teacher she was.

945 WhiteRasta  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 4:25:28pm

re: #936 Lively

Caroline is waaaay too old for slick willie....

946 n in wi  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 4:25:29pm

re: #907 Silhouette

At my daughters HS grad party, a sister of a friend of my daughter could recite all the Presidents in order .She is only around 5 yrs old. She was on her 3rd time through,and stumbled a moment after George H.W. Bush. I couldn't resist and said,"That's O.K. we would all like to forget that one.

947 Dustyvet  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 4:25:55pm

re: #931 Dasher

The new round of bidding begins. Who has the most $$$ in NY and wants to be a senator?

Has it been listed on Ebay yet, or are the letting Blago enterprises handle the sale?

948 jwb7605  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 4:26:28pm

Before anybody leaves, you need to check out Mooamar DaGoofy's hat on the next thread.
I'll be there.

949 Taqyia2Me  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 4:27:05pm

re: #936 Lively

Bill wants Caroline

Bill wants 'em all, female-wise!

950 markx  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 4:27:37pm

Okay, so I leave here early last night to avoid posting something what would get me banned...

Then I return today to read this shit.

Either I post something that will cause Charles to ban me or I'll have a stroke... I can't decide which will come first. Either way, I'm not going to last 4 weeks, let alone 4 years.

I see the doctor tomorrow.

951 3 wood  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 4:27:40pm

Can we start not giving Obama the benefit of the doubt now?

952 Adrenalyn  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 4:27:50pm

remember, this is the man who worked with a guy who wanted to kill 25 million Americans (Bill Ayers)

wait, that's it
I am onto something

he'll give Ayers a medal if "he" succeeds

though I think he'll get help from Ahmadinejihad to pull it off

953 Marvo76  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 4:28:31pm

re: #924 jwb7605

Breaking on Fox:
Caroline Kennedy has withdrawn her name.

There is a God! ( or better yet, they got something on her that will come out pretty quick if she accepted....)

954 Taqiyyotomist  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 4:29:07pm

re: #880 TheMatrix31

That is one of the best points I've ever seen made on LGF, and I've seen a good amount.

Many thanks, Matrix. You've boosted my spirits there too.

955 teleskiguy  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 4:29:29pm

OK, I think Obama is a prick and has no class for not attending this ball, and the lizard army is rightfully outraged. First president to not attend the Medal Of Honor Ball since the American Legion started putting it on 56 years ago, that is wrong on so many levels and certainly warrants discussion. But some of the posts I've read in this blog have invective that takes away from the constructve criticism we're trying to achieve here. I'm glad that the lizards here have restrained themselves from assassination talk and the like, but some of the comments I've read delve pretty damn close to such rhetoric. Bloviating on the internet is fine and dandy and all, good way to let off some steam every once in a while. In the short time I've been a member of LGF, I've noticed a fairly civil discourse on conservative issues, it's why I joined! But the personal insults to other bloggers and the nasty invective hurled at our new President (whether y'all like it or not, he is our President and Commander-In-Chief for the nex 4 years) is a tad much for me. But then again, maybe it's because I'm such a huge pussy...

956 Adrenalyn  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 4:29:45pm

my guess is Jessie Jackson gets it

it's gotta be someone scandalous to notorious

957 Silhouette  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 4:30:36pm

re: #946 n in wi

At my daughters HS grad party, a sister of a friend of my daughter could recite all the Presidents in order .

Hey! That's MY parlor trick, and I'm a bit older than 5. ;-)

The cool thing is to add David Rice Atchison.

Atchison had been elected president pro tempore of the U.S. Senate 15 times, and he was president pro tempore in March, 1849. Pres. James K. Polk spent his last day as president on Mar. 3, 1849, and as midnight tolled and Sunday, Mar. 4, began, Polk was out of office. Meanwhile, his successor, Gen. Zachary Taylor, a staunch Episcopalian, refused to be sworn in on Mar. 4 because it was a Sunday, and preferred to celebrate his inauguration on Monday, Mar. 5. The U.S. was faced with a full-day gap between presidents. According to the law, when the presidential and the vice-presidential offices were not filled, the president pro tempore of the Senate automatically became the president of the U.S. Since Senator Atchison of Missouri was president pro tempore of the Senate, he automatically became president of the U.S. for the single day of Mar. 4, 1849.
958 christopher luebcke  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 4:30:53pm

re: #819 Marvo76

My guess is he wants something to happen to declare matial law and have the UN come in to "adminster" to the US, bringing us in to a "enlightened" society rather than a nationialistic state such as we are now...

People said the same thing about Clinton for 8 years; didn't happen. A mostly different group of people said largely the same thing (minus UN administration) about Bush for 8 years; didn't happen. This will be the same. New World Order conspiracy theorists are batting .000.

959 carefulnow  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 4:31:08pm

Charles - I think this story is bogus. Where was this year's Medal of Honor Ball? Where is a story about it besides the story of the snub and all the spinoffs?

960 goddessoftheclassroom  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 4:32:39pm

re: #944 EmmmieG

I was hoping I wouldn't have to say this part. She passed away, young, a few years after I left high school. I believe in the afterlife, though, so maybe she has heard me tell people what a great teacher she was.

{EmmmieG}

I believe, with all my heart, that love never ends, and that those whom we love who go before us know of our love for them. Your teacher lives on in your heart and your memories, and you just shared them with us. Her life had meaning and purpose--what a glorious testimony a person can give for another.

961 Marvo76  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 4:33:51pm

re: #958 christopher luebcke

Hope you're right and I'm wrong....but it is something that fits with his character and background in social engineering wants...

962 notutopia  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 4:34:07pm

It's been a busy day
Clinton Confirmation
[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

AND...Caroline Kennedy Ends Bid for Senate
[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

963 Dustyvet  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 4:35:02pm

re: #959 carefulnow

Charles - I think this story is bogus. Where was this year's Medal of Honor Ball? Where is a story about it besides the story of the snub and all the spinoffs?

Easy Lad, there's veterans present here...

964 Silhouette  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 4:35:35pm

re: #959 carefulnow

Charles - I think this story is bogus. Where was this year's Medal of Honor Ball? Where is a story about it besides the story of the snub and all the spinoffs?

I jst found a story with a picture of Medal of Honor recipents at the CinC ball. Could this be a semantics error? Maybe someone heard about a Medal of Honor ball, and checked Obama's list and didn't see it listed under that name, and assumed he didn't go.

965 Archimedes  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 4:35:58pm

re: #930 NYCHardhat

A form of media that works.

Well put! I mean, I guess that's what we're reduced to in this country.

966 TheMatrix31  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 4:36:31pm

WOW. Look at what this asshole responded with;

"slaves and slave owners... hes got two sides to his family tree. The white side was the slave owners, as is the case for any white man's ancestry in the US Matrix.

And if I was Obama I'd SNUB the medal of honor too for Kanye West's performance at the inauguration ball.

And Matrix, im happy to see him scale down the military. they are afterall the ones that got us into this mess in the first place. They are not heroes, but murderers."

967 Dustyvet  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 4:38:08pm

re: #966 TheMatrix31

WOW. Look at what this asshole responded with;

"slaves and slave owners... hes got two sides to his family tree. The white side was the slave owners, as is the case for any white man's ancestry in the US Matrix.

And if I was Obama I'd SNUB the medal of honor too for Kanye West's performance at the inauguration ball.

And Matrix, im happy to see him scale down the military. they are afterall the ones that got us into this mess in the first place. They are not heroes, but murderers."

Sorce please?

968 carefulnow  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 4:40:06pm

re: #964 Silhouette

Yep, I posted that link earlier up the thread.

969 Archimedes  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 4:40:21pm

re: #966 TheMatrix31

WOW. Look at what this asshole responded with;

"slaves and slave owners... hes got two sides to his family tree. The white side was the slave owners, as is the case for any white man's ancestry in the US Matrix.

And if I was Obama I'd SNUB the medal of honor too for Kanye West's performance at the inauguration ball.

And Matrix, im happy to see him scale down the military. they are afterall the ones that got us into this mess in the first place. They are not heroes, but murderers."

What did Kanye West do?

970 TheMatrix31  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 4:41:24pm

re: #969 Archimedes

What did Kanye West do?

I have no idea. I just deleted him off my friends list. Too bad we're both part of the "Los Angeles" network, so he can still see (and I believe comment) the thing I post.

971 JacksonTn  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 4:41:53pm

re: #599 carefulnow

Do you have a link to the Medal of Honor Ball?

In 1995 it was George Bushs FIRST stop ...

[Link: www.defenselink.mil...]

Here is a blog where a veteran who attends the ball posts ...

[Link: thisainthell.us...]

972 Silhouette  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 4:42:15pm

re: #966 TheMatrix31

WOW. Look at what this asshole responded with;

"slaves and slave owners... hes got two sides to his family tree. "

They must not have read closely.

He does indeed have two sides to his family...slave owners and slave owners.

And again, these facts do not reflect on him at all. The actions of people who came before him are not his fault.

973 carefulnow  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 4:45:19pm

re: #963 Dustyvet

I'm aware of that, sir. What I can't understand is where the story here occurred. There isn't a "Salute to Heroes Inaugural Ball" listed anywhere but in this story. I see that there was one in 2005. No can find in 2009.

974 TheMatrix31  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 4:45:59pm

re: #972 Silhouette

They must not have read closely.

He does indeed have two sides to his family...slave owners and slave owners.

And again, these facts do not reflect on him at all. The actions of people who came before him are not his fault.

I don't care about the slave thing. I care about the last 2 paragraphs of that response he posted, especially the last sentence.

975 carefulnow  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 4:49:05pm

re: #971 JacksonTn

Right, I saw that there was such a ball that President Bush attended in 2005. But linking to the same source (thisainthell) as this story is kind of circular, don't you think?

Even though this thread is dead, I'll say it again: this story doesn't sound legit.

976 realwest  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 4:50:07pm

re: #955 teleskiguy
No, you're not a huge pussy, just, perhaps, too "sensitive" for this blog.
Try going to Kos or HuffPoo or DU where they out and out called for the murder of George W. Bush - no walking any fine lines about it and said the most heinous things imagniable about those few dissenters from those points of view. It might offend your sensibilites, but at least you'd have a clear idea of how some bloggers run their blogs.

977 David IV of Georgia  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 4:53:11pm

I have a cousin (once removed) who earned the MOH. His mother received word that her son was dead—no explanation as to how, why, or where it happened. At his funeral in the family cemetery in Texas, besides the usual honor guard, 7 officers showed up to give him a 21-gun salute. During the funeral, the USAAF flew over in a missing man formation. His mother still had no idea how her son died or where. After the war a handwritten letter, several pages long, scrawled in pencil, came to her from President Truman. Her son was in Germany, at the Battle of the Bulge. He was working as an aid to a general. While there was a meeting of many of the allied generals, the front lines shifted dramatically and unexpectedly. He suddenly found himself acting as a bodyguard for the leaders of the Allies in Germany. In the confusion, a German grenade came flying through the window in the midst of the generals. He unhesitatingly jumped onto the grenade. That's how he died. The military did not want it leaked during the war how close they had come to losing their senior leadership in Germany.

Funny thing, I've heard this story repeated many times growing up, but can't remember this cousin's name.

978 JacksonTn  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 4:57:38pm

re: #846 carefulnow

Well, that's what I'm trying to find - a first-hand account of the ball. Where was it held? I can't find a story about it.

Try these links:

[Link: www.pentagon.mil...]
[Link: www.gwu.edu...]
[Link: www.defenselink.mil...]
[Link: www.cmohs.org...]
[Link: www.washingtonpost.com...] (look at 7:59p picture)
[Link: www.washingtonpost.com...]


from thisainthell site ...

979 MarineGrunt  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 5:05:27pm

What a dipshit, once a shitbird, always a shitbird.

I'm almost as shameful of some of the members of my Veterans association as I am of this president.

Obama, in his Inauguration speech mentioned Khe Sanh, a Marine combat base in Vietnam, and the few of the batshit crazy followers of the "ONE" went all giddy on how proud they are of this new president on our message board.

Today not a peep on why he snubbed the Medal of Honor recipients at the Salute to Heroes Inaugural Ball.

It's going to be a long, long 4 years

980 Lynn B.  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 5:08:01pm

re: #978 JacksonTn

Try these links:

[Link: www.pentagon.mil...]
[Link: www.gwu.edu...]
[Link: www.defenselink.mil...]
[Link: www.cmohs.org...]
[Link: www.washingtonpost.com...] (look at 7:59p picture)
[Link: www.washingtonpost.com...]

from thisainthell site ...

Those are all from prior inaugurations. I just came back here after spending way too much time trying to find a single mention of this ball anywhere. I actually did find one.

Veteran proud to be a part of history

Jerry Williamson did all the research on how to properly dress for the formal occasions following Barack Obama's inauguration Tuesday.
Advertisement

Williamson, a 70-year-old Vietnam veteran, smiled last week at the thought of being part of history.

"I'm anxious, I'm excited, I've gotten every detail for what I'll need, down to the gloves and cuff links for the ball," he said.

Williamson served in the Air Force for 21 years. He is the president of Jackson's Disabled American Veterans chapter.

[ ... ]

After the inauguration, Williamson attended the Salute to Heroes Inaugural Ball at the Renaissance Hotel.

"I'm just excited that I get to wear a tuxedo," he said.

But that's it. No other reference whatsoever to this ball, other than the story about Obama snubbing it. But I also found this.

Report: Veterans Inaugural Ball Canceled as Organizer Disappears

Something is not smelling quite right. Who is this "TOS" who appears to be the sole source of this story?

981 carefulnow  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 5:09:38pm

re: #978 JacksonTn

Sorry you went to all that trouble, but did you happen to notice that those links are from 2005? There's no question that there WAS such a ball. What's in question is that there was no 2009 "Salute to Heroes Inaugural Ball." Check out this exhaustive list of balls.
[Link: www.washington.org...]

The snub didn't happen says I. It's a phony.

982 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 5:13:36pm

What a prick.

983 JacksonTn  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 5:14:25pm

re: #981 carefulnow

Sorry you went to all that trouble, but did you happen to notice that those links are from 2005? There's no question that there WAS such a ball. What's in question is that there was no 2009 "Salute to Heroes Inaugural Ball." Check out this exhaustive list of balls.
[Link: www.washington.org...]

The snub didn't happen says I. It's a phony.

Okay ... here is the guy's blog that was at the event and he describes the ball in this post ...write him ...

[Link: thisainthell.us...]

984 carefulnow  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 5:23:17pm

re: #983 JacksonTn

Thanks, friend. Check out Lynn's post above.

985 Wilderstad  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 5:24:02pm

Ugh. Just when you start thinking you can see a glimmer of Hope ( trademarked) he goes and does this.
President Obama,
You've just shown yourself to be the ultimate classless tool.
May the American people thrive and prosper despite your stated policies.
May they learn quickly never again to put their trust in a man that is all about appearing to be something he's not, with a heart that seeks to destroy those who by their own honorable efforts succeed.

986 roguejew  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 5:26:59pm

Sir Gaffalot Joe Biden once again placed his shotgun mouth in front of his BB Gun ass and decided to take a cheap shot at Chief Justice John Roberts at todays swearing in of White House staff.
Click here to read more and see video

987 carefulnow  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 5:27:07pm

re: #980 Lynn B.

Yep, I saw that too. Thank you for spending too much time. I thought I was alone. Reminded me of "fake but accurate."

988 JacksonTn  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 5:29:14pm

re: #980 Lynn B.

But that's it. No other reference whatsoever to this ball, other than the story about Obama snubbing it. But I also found this.

Report: Veterans Inaugural Ball Canceled as Organizer Disappears

Something is not smelling quite right. Who is this "TOS" who appears to be the sole source of this story?

I don't know who TOS is but in his post on his blog he says it is not the same ball that was cancelled ...I don't know the guy just read his blog today ...

989 Lynn B.  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 5:31:52pm

Well, now here's something. And it was apparently posted last week.

Obama will attend 'Salute to Heroes' event afterall

CLOSE [X]
Yesterday, I posted an article from the American Legion to the Inaugural Committee and signed by the leadership of the major veterans service organizations. The letter was in response to an initial letter of regret from the Inaugural Committee that Obama would not be attending an event hosted by the Legion in honor of surviving Medal of Honor recipients. The letter is attached below. This morning, More.. the American Legion was notified that the Obamas would be attending the event after all, keeping alive a tradition held each Inauguration Night over the past 55 years. I don't have detailed information about how the initial letter of regret was generated, who made the decision or if it was in error. Nor do I know the exact process by which the decision was made. What's important is that our Medal of Honor recipients will receive their due recognition from their new Commander in Chief.


Dear President-Elect Obama:
On Inauguration Night, January 20th, nearly 50 recipients of the Medal of Honor will be gathered together in a Washington hotel banquet room awaiting the high honor of a much-deserved personal greeting from their new Commander-in-Chief.

We have learned, however, that these men, whose courage and dedication to our nation and its freedoms is boundless, may not receive this precious gift. If this is so, it will be the first and only time attendees of our Salute to Heroes will have been so neglected.

The Salute to Heroes is an Inaugural event staged by a coalition of veterans and military service organizations and hosted by The American Legion that dates back to the day General Dwight D. Eisenhower was sworn into office as President of the United States in 1953. The Salute to Heroes has often been the very first stop a new President has made during his festive evening of political fetes and celebrity receptions.

A President’s failure to appear at the Salute to Heroes would be a wounding disappointment not only to the Medal of Honor recipients on whose behalf this event is dedicated, but to every attending veteran and member of the military; each of whom has offered to give his or her life on behalf of our country and its President.

Although we appreciate fully the many political and social obligations that demand your time and attendance on Inauguration Night, we hope sincerely that you, on this signal evening in American history, will spare just a few minutes to honor a band of true and humble heroes. It would reinforce and even amplify the noble work already performed by Mrs. Obama, whose heartfelt interest in and concern for our military families has not gone unnoticed.

The Salute to Heroes venue is in the Renaissance Washington Hotel, located within a few hundred yards of the Walter E. Washington Convention Center, where many, if not most, of the “official” Inaugural events are being held. Therefore, logistics should not pose a problem.

It is with great enthusiasm that we anticipate meeting you Tuesday evening.

Curiouser and curiouser.

990 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 5:33:11pm

re: #832 Walter L. Newton

Wrong event. That was the Commander in Chief's Inaugural Ball, not the Medal of Honor Ball. Did you read the article?

That makes at least two administration apologists trying to confuse the events so as to cover O's lack of tact and respect to MoH winners.

991 JacksonTn  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 5:33:44pm

re: #989 Lynn B.

Lynn ...did you see my post where he TOS says the ball that was cancelled was a different ball .. crazy ...

992 Crimsonfisted  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 5:34:53pm

Words fail me. I have the utmost contempt for this man. And the shrew he married.

993 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 5:35:27pm

re: #840 Dustyvet

Sweet Jebus on crutches! Back to the Clinton days when Terrorism was just some pesky civilian nuisance.

994 JacksonTn  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 5:37:28pm

re: #989 Lynn B.

I called the hotel and they said they had the American Legion Ball there yesterday ...

995 Lynn B.  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 5:41:37pm

re: #990 FurryOldGuyJeans

That makes at least two administration apologists trying to confuse the events so as to cover O's lack of tact and respect to MoH winners.

Nice try. You've been stinking up this thread all day. What the hell is your problem with other people having an opinion?

Administration apologist my ass.

re: #991 JacksonTn

Lynn ...did you see my post where he TOS says the ball that was cancelled was a different ball .. crazy ...

Yeah. Nuts. Right now I feel like a ping pong ball. The lack of reporting on this event is curious, to say the least. That Live Leak post gives the story a full set of legs, though, AFAIC.

Gotta go get me some grub now. Later (maybe).

996 Van Helsing  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 5:42:00pm

Now THAT'S the Obama I know!

Not know so much as expect.
It's going to be fun. Thank goodness I have plenty of popcorn.

997 Lynn B.  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 5:42:49pm

re: #994 JacksonTn

I called the hotel and they said they had the American Legion Ball there yesterday ...

Good work. Done deal.

I would rather it hadn't been true. Pretty sickening but sadly not surprising. Sometimes the truth hurts.

998 logboy  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 5:45:37pm

I think we have established that this actually occured. The fact we have a couple trolls lurking who are trying to cover up for our disresptful, ungrateful, military hating president should call people to action. Start down dinging.

The fact the the 0 would rather attend balls attended by black rappers and "artists" who condone violence, degradation of women, and drugs, over those who have sacrificed their lives or livelihood for their country sends a message: he doesn't give a rats ass about Veterans. Fuck Obama.

999 Silhouette  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 5:45:38pm

re: #994 JacksonTn

I called the hotel and they said they had the American Legion Ball there yesterday ...

I don't suppose they knew if Obama attended or not?

1000 Daisy  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 5:49:21pm

re: #170 buzzdroid

you're doing the same as the Kos Kids.

lets be real here. the guy attended TEN balls last night. bound to let someone down...

i just hope that we lizards DONT turn into a mirror image of thje Kos Kids..

we're more intelligent than that - arent we?

This jerk is the first President/Commander in Chief in 56 years not to attend the ball to honor war heroes. Obama is an effete slob.

I don't like to feel the need to mention this, but to even allude to putting in an appearance at 10 events in one evening as a hardship - when the event he deliberately snubbed in favor of social climbing w/the Moonbat brigade involved honoring WAR HEROES - reflects supremely questionable values on your part.

1001 Bill M  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 5:50:56pm

Well, I am so not surprised.

I swore I would give him the benefit of the doubt, but this is just too much. He couldn't even get past 24 hours before doing something this stupid.

No more benefit of the doubt. He's already earned his way into the shitter so far as this vet is concerned.

1002 E5infantry  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 6:01:59pm

This is TSO incidently, I even forgot I had an account here. But, it did happen, Legion just hasn't put out a press release. I do not know why. But thank you to Jackson for calling them. The Hotel will likely tell you (assuming the person answering knows) that the Secret Service were there all day yesterday, that Biden came around 10:30, that Buzz Aldrin and a bunch of MOH guys were running around. And Obama did not come.

I'm really not sure where the conspiracy theory stuff started, but it will be cleared up when the pictures are released.

1003 TedStriker  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 6:21:51pm

re: #665 bulwrk

McCain would have gone to the ball, and they would have saluted him.

Trust me those old vets would have saluted Obama every bit as smartly.

Too bad Dear Leader didn't go and find out...

1004 carefulnow  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 6:26:15pm

re: #1002 E5infantry

Wow, only one comment since 2007!

Here's a list of all the balls. [Link: www.newsday.com...]
There is no American Legion Salute to Heroes Ball listed here. How do you explain that?

1005 E5infantry  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 6:33:15pm

Those are "Official Balls" meaning run by the PIC (pres inaugural committee). The Salute to Heroes is not one of the 10 official ones.

If you persist in not believing it happened, wouldn't it be easier to just pick up the phone, call the Renn-DC hotel at[no phone numbers allowed] and prove me for the liar you presumably think I am?

The Ball took place on the bottom floor (I think it was the SB level) coat check was on the floor above it. If you come in from 9th street, go to the left, down the escalator 2 flights, it will be the area to your right. But again, making the call would be easier.

1006 E5infantry  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 6:34:04pm

OK, I guess phone numbers not allowed, but you can google the Renn-DC, there are 3, make sure you get the one on 9th street.

1007 carefulnow  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 6:37:24pm

re: #1006 E5infantry

This one?

Renaissance Washington Hotel, 999 9th St. NW

1008 [deleted]  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 6:40:22pm
1009 E5infantry  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 6:40:29pm

Yes sir, call and ask if they had a ball there last night called Salute to Heroes.

1010 hazzyday  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 6:42:52pm

CIC Ball Obama attended a different military ball. But he failed to honor a tradition that is distinguished. To be sure he wants to set a mild military tone. He wants people to see him as green not mean. Not attending the MoH ball is his way of setting the cornerstone of his policies.

If I were China I would be looking to take massive advantage of Pres. Obama. If I were Korea, I would push back now. If I were Russia I would grab now.

If I were Obama I would be telling Islam that Israel is there for good and they need to get used to it.

1011 Throbert McGee  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 6:44:52pm

re: #850 quickjustice

Snubbing the military? Hold your fire: this is small change. Just wait until he revokes "Don't ask, don't tell!"

Actually, if Obama is serious about repealing DADT and thus succeeding where Clinton failed, he really needs to curry favor with the military (since as a liberal Dem, he has no built-in clout here, "Commander in Chief" title notwithstanding). Not off to a good start here, O.

But then again, I think that Obama will be perfectly content to fail with the DADT repeal -- that way he can grab moral credit among libs for "trying," without being blamed for any unforeseen complications that may arise whenever the ban is ultimately lifted.

1012 hazzyday  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 6:45:02pm

re: #1008 Iron Fist

Pres Obama should declare a new racial category for the census. Call it American. Anyone with a multi racial lineage can declare themselves of the American race.

1013 gymmom  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 6:45:47pm

re: #946 n in wi

That was my daughters "talent" at her 2nd grade retreat! We had a placemat with all the presidents on it and talked about them at dinner.

1014 [deleted]  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 6:47:00pm
1015 carefulnow  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 6:51:41pm

re: #1009 E5infantry

Well, this is how it is listed in that newsday link I posted above:

ILLINOIS STATE SOCIETY OF INAUGURAL GALA
Renaissance Washington Hotel, 999 9th St. NW
8:30 p.m. to 1:30 a.m.
SOLD OUT

I don't see where it says "Salute to Heroes" anywhere, so I am still unsure what to make of this. Is what you're saying that Obama should have made an appearance?

1016 [deleted]  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 6:52:08pm
1017 TedStriker  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 6:53:02pm

re: #875 WhiteRasta

Bush's second inauguration cost 70 Million. I remember CNN and the rest of the dinosaur media talking about how many homeless could have been housed with that money.

Not a peep out of the left about twice that being spent on Obama's inauguration.

Exactly, because the MFM will cover for most anyone with a (D) behind their name...they're gonna have their hands full with Dear Leader and Ol' Plugs over the next four years.

1018 E5infantry  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 6:56:43pm

Look at the date on that one, it was the night before. (the 19th)

Dude, all I said was he didn't show up, and I think he should have. In a previous post I discussed the Medal of Honor recipients I got to meet. And in a subsequent one, I said that I wished he had come, but it didn't ruin the night, and it was an excellent event. I even went so far as to say that I would take substance over symbolism, and if he came through on all his VA funding promises, I would be very happy.

That was before I got into this ludicrous discussion of whether the event happened, despite my having been there, someone above posting the letter apparently discussing the issue, and another person here calling the hotel. But somehow I ended up in a twilight zone episode where the discussion of the importance of showing or not, of keeping the 14 president inauguration trend going, and what it means got run over by a discussion as to whether it even happened.

1019 carefulnow  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 7:02:23pm

Found it! The ball was on Monday night:
[Link: www.jconline.com...]

Here's a link to the organizers:
[Link: illinoisstatesociety.com...]

This story from Thisainthell is very misleading. I didn't vote for Obama. But to infer that he snubbed these people is dishonest in my opinion.

1020 carefulnow  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 7:05:24pm

re: #1018 E5infantry

Dude, all I said was he didn't show up, and I think he should have.

Dude! Is that all?

1021 E5infantry  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 7:05:28pm

OK, I give up. I tried to explain that is a different ball, different people, held on a different day. The Heroes Ball was last night, Tuesday the 20th. The Illinois Ball was held in the same room, only a day earlier, Monday the 19th. If it is too difficult to call and ask, the likelihood of my convincing you on the internet is limited.

1022 carefulnow  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 7:07:09pm

re: #1021 E5infantry

Ah, forget it. I'll wait for the story you say will be in the news tomorrow.

You did say that, didn't you? I don't want to put words in your mouth.

1023 snowcrash  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 7:10:26pm

re: #1019 carefulnow
See #994. Hotel was called and date/event was confirmed for last night not Monday.

1024 E5infantry  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 7:12:58pm

Thank you Snow, and not that my PTSD is kicking good, I am gonna go hit the Ambien and don't go to sleep.

1025 E5infantry  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 7:13:10pm

*now

1026 carefulnow  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 7:17:38pm

re: #1023 snowcrash

Yeah, I saw that.

1027 Dr. Shalit  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 7:51:15pm

OK Lizardim -

CNN has reported that President Obama gets to keep his Blackberry. Super duper advanced crypto-encoding model of course. Lemmesee now, Blackberry is an "Intellectual" if not Physical Production Property of CANADA! Something to be happy for today as PM Harper, I assume can read everything our President says. I am SURE Eisenhower would NOT have allowed the same opportunity to PM Diefenbaker for a matter of VANITY. Sic transit gloria mundi.

-S-

1028 psyop  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 8:02:23pm

I would rather be in the presence of any MOH recipient, at any function, at any point in my life ever, than be in the presence of the POTUS.

The only exception to that rule would be if the POTUS was a MOH recipient.

Seriously, I consider Ron Reagan to be one of the greatest POTUS's ever, and I would still choose any MOH recipient over him. To sit down and talk with.

1029 Lynn B.  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 8:10:29pm

re: #1019 carefulnow

Found it! The ball was on Monday night:
[Link: www.jconline.com...]

Here's a link to the organizers:
[Link: illinoisstatesociety.com...]

This story from Thisainthell is very misleading. I didn't vote for Obama. But to infer that he snubbed these people is dishonest in my opinion.

No, sorry. That was a different ball. Pre-inauguration (as you say, Monday night), at the same site. I checked that one out hours ago.

The interesting question to me now is ... according to the Live