Overnight Hopen Thread

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Foolery, sir, does walk about the orb, like the sun; it shines everywhere.

William Shakespeare, Twelfth Night

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1 Dustyvet  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 11:26:29pm

New threads and a shoeshine...:)

3 Sharmuta  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 11:26:50pm

Are we up too early, or are we up too late?

-Twelfth Night

4 Dustyvet  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 11:27:22pm

re: #1 Dustyvet

New threads and a shoeshine...:)

All dressed up and no place to go...:)

5 x-wing  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 11:30:19pm

Another Hopen thread

Whooo-Hooo

My hair is a mess.

6 pink freud  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 11:30:22pm

Forgive the re-post, but this is for you when you arrive, LittleOldLady:

[Link: www.kyleanneshiver.com...]

7 itellu3times  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 11:31:19pm

He shines and stinks like rotten mackerel by moonlight.

8 Inquisitive  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 11:33:24pm

Well I just posted this on "old" thread when I noticed there was now a new thread...so I'll share it again... a little late night ...winter humor...

As a trucker stops for a red light, a blonde catches up. She jumps out
of her car, runs up to his truck, and knocks on the door.
The trucker lowers the window, and she says "Hi, my name is Heather and you are losing some of your load "
The trucker ignores her and proceeds down the street. When the truck stops for another red light, the girl catches up again.
She jumps out of her car, runs up and knocks on the door. Again, the trucker lowers the window.As if they've never spoken, the blonde says brightly, "Hi my name is Heather, and you are losing some of your load!"
Shaking his head, the trucker ignores her again and continues down the
street.
At the third red light, the same thing happens again.
All out of breath, the blonde gets out of her car, runs up, knocks on
the truck door. The trucker rolls down the window.
Again she says "Hi, my name is Heather, and you are losing some of your load!"
When the light turns green the trucker revs up and races to the next
light.
When he stops this time, he hurriedly gets out of the truck, and runs
back to the blonde.
He knocks on her window, and after she lowers it, he says...
"Hi, my name is Mark, it's winter,and I'm driving the SALT TRUCK!"

9 BlueCanuck  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 11:33:39pm

re: #4 Dustyvet

Going to be like that for the next few years I think. I see a large rise in home brewing of beer and wine. Possibly an increase of truck gardens as well.

10 Shr_Nfr  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 11:34:15pm

re: #3 Sharmuta
I'm up because my bad shoulder (rotator cuff + arthritis) got aggravated by replacing a line in the wall that burst during the recent session of global warming we had. Apparently I got off early one guy I know at MIT returned from an overseas trip to find massive rupture of multiple pipes. Lotsa work for the plumbers apparently he even had to get the fire department out there to do something. I presume it was a pumper truck to pump his cellar when it filled up with water. No fun.

Well, the stuff is kicking in now, so back to bed.

11 Dustyvet  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 11:34:44pm

re: #9 BlueCanuck

Going to be like that for the next few years I think. I see a large rise in home brewing of beer and wine. Possibly an increase of truck gardens as well.

Yeah it's sure looking like it.

12 Erik The Red  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 11:34:45pm

The new hopen thread is just about all the hope I have to look forward to over the next 4 years of 44's term.

13 BlueCanuck  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 11:34:48pm

re: #6 pink freud

Got it open, so I can paste the link for her.

/now all I have to do is hopen I don't get halfzimers. :)

14 Dustyvet  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 11:35:42pm

re: #12 Erik The Red

The new hopen thread is just about all the hope I have to look forward to over the next 4 years of 44's term.

I had hope, I sold it for change...:)

15 realwest  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 11:36:36pm

Well Hell - left messages for both Dusty Vet and Blue Canuck on the prior thread - didn't realize y'all had moved on.
Anyway I'm going to sleep NOW - hope you all have a great evening/early morning and that I get the chance to see you all down the road!

Good night, all.

16 wiffersnapper  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 11:37:20pm

Should we start calling Ron Howard "Hopie" now?

17 Fenway_Nation  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 11:37:23pm

I am dismayed to report that the Bruins were unable to defeat the Toronto MakeMeLaughs Maple Leafs in regulation for the final game before the NHL all-star break tonight.

/Had to settle for a shootout win.

18 Dustyvet  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 11:37:48pm

re: #15 realwest

Well Hell - left messages for both Dusty Vet and Blue Canuck on the prior thread - didn't realize y'all had moved on.
Anyway I'm going to sleep NOW - hope you all have a great evening/early morning and that I get the chance to see you all down the road!

Good night, all.

Nighters Real, take care my friend...:)

19 redc1c4  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 11:41:31pm

did y'all see this?

Bush's going away gift to Juggy

so much for an immediate withdrawal from Iraq. %-)

20 Outrider  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 11:43:58pm

re: #6 pink freud

Forgive the re-post, but this is for you when you arrive, LittleOldLady:

[Link: www.kyleanneshiver.com...]

awesome article!

21 redc1c4  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 11:44:03pm

i made this up after yesterday's display of fashion sense...

22 BlueCanuck  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 11:44:06pm

re: #17 Fenway_Nation

No, no, no. It's the Toronto Make-Beliefs. Get it right or don't get it at all. :)

/could be worse I could be a Philidelphia Criers fan. :D

23 Outrider  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 11:45:39pm

re: #6 pink freud

Forgive the re-post, but this is for you when you arrive, LittleOldLady:

[Link: www.kyleanneshiver.com...]

why don't you post this one in the spinoff lnks up top?

24 SurferDoc  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 11:45:56pm

*Waves to the Night Watch crew*

Hiya, Lizards.

25 Dustyvet  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 11:46:01pm

re: #19 redc1c4

did y'all see this?

Bush's going away gift to Juggy

so much for an immediate withdrawal from Iraq. %-)

Ain't that a kick in the pants...

26 Inquisitive  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 11:46:17pm

From an email I received recently...
We are not "old geezers" yet...but our generation "Gets It"...

Actually, "old geezer" is not a bad thing to be called, as you will see...

'Geezers' are easy to spot: At sporting events, during the playing of the Star Spangled Banner, old geezers remove their caps, stand at attention and sing without embarrassment. They know the words and believe in them.
Old geezers remember the Depression (or what our parents told us about it), World War II, Pearl Harbor, Guadalcanal, Normandy and Hitler. They remember the Atomic Age, the Korean War, the Cold War, Vietnam, the "jet age", the Moon landing, and the 50+ peace-keeping missions from 1945 to 2005.
If you bump into an old geezer on the sidewalk, he will apologize. If you pass an old geezer on the street, he will nod or tip his cap to a lady. Old geezers trust strangers and are courtly to women. Old geezers hold the door for the next person and always, when walking, make certain the lady is on the inside for protection. Old geezers get embarrassed if someone curses in front of women and children.
Old Geezers have moral courage. They seldom brag unless it's about their grandchildren.
It's the old geezers who know our great country is protected, not by politicians, but by the young men and women in the military serving their country.
This country needs old geezers now more than ever.

27 conservativeChick  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 11:46:32pm

Oh God, I want to puke: Celebs compare Obama to biblical characters; Denzel objects
I am I the only one that sees the irony here? When at any given chance, celebs are the first to mock the bible and say all Christian are evil but when they get their Piece Of S**t candidate elected their the first to say Gad Bless America and are candidate is a God and of the divine. I am going to say this once and only once. In the words of Mandy, FUCK YOU! You communist shit heads!

28 redc1c4  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 11:48:29pm

re: #24 SurferDoc

*Waves to the Night Watch crew*

Hiya, Lizards.

someone obviously left a window unlocked...

29 Dustyvet  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 11:49:15pm

re: #28 redc1c4

someone obviously left a window unlocked...

GUARDS!

30 pink freud  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 11:49:33pm

re: #23 Outrider

why don't you post this one in the spinoff lnks up top?

Will do. Kyle Ann Shiver is a diamond just sitting there a'sparkling and gleaming and waiting to be found. Thanks!

31 itellu3times  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 11:49:35pm

How many times
Would an Obama take the oath
If an Obama could
Take the oath?

32 BlueCanuck  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 11:49:54pm

re: #28 redc1c4

someone obviously left a window unlocked...

Hmmm, going to have to check that bear trap I left outside. Just to be sure.

/oh yeah, good morning as well SurferDoc.

33 x-wing  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 11:50:25pm

re: #19 redc1c4

did y'all see this?

Bush's going away gift to Juggy

so much for an immediate withdrawal from Iraq. %-)


Love it just love it. But juggy was just blowing smoke anyways. Let's see what hit Idiots think of it.

I'm going off the reservation here but, we had Palin running for V.P and the Dems. i.e the media trashed her as an ugly, unqualified right-winger...but they praise this woman as beautiful and qualified?


[Link: www.drudgereport.com...]

34 Sharmuta  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 11:50:30pm

re: #25 Dustyvet

Ding for the idiom.

35 logboy  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 11:50:33pm

A wise and frugal government, which shall restrain men from injuring one another, shall leave them otherwise free to regulate their own pursuits of industry and improvement, and shall not take from the mouth of labor the bread it has earned. This is the sum of good government.

~Thomas Jefferson

36 Sharmuta  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 11:51:22pm

re: #19 redc1c4

did y'all see this?

Bush's going away gift to Juggy

so much for an immediate withdrawal from Iraq. %-)

Heh™!

37 SurferDoc  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 11:51:30pm

*Ignores the riff-raff*

Hiya, Blue!

38 BlueCanuck  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 11:52:23pm

re: #33 x-wing

That has to be one of the most unflattering pictures I have seen. Was that intentional? Or was that after the touch ups?

39 Outrider  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 11:53:12pm

re: #30 pink freud

Will do. Kyle Ann Shiver is a diamond just sitting there a'sparkling and gleaming and waiting to be found. Thanks!

Damn! I'm sorry. I thought yo went to bed so I posted it, but credited you.

40 Dustyvet  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 11:53:42pm

re: #34 Sharmuta

Ding for the idiom.

Thank you...:)

41 pink freud  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 11:54:49pm

re: #39 Outrider

Thank you :-)

42 Outrider  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 11:55:19pm

re: #30 pink freud

Will do. Kyle Ann Shiver is a diamond just sitting there a'sparkling and gleaming and waiting to be found. Thanks!

she is a great writer, I've been through some of her other stuff on American Thinker. I didn't know she had her own site.

43 redc1c4  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 11:55:22pm

re: #32 BlueCanuck

Hmmm, going to have to check that bear trap I left outside. Just to be sure.

/oh yeah, good morning as well SurferDoc.

if anything, it'll have a pair of pants in it. %-)

/white smoke

44 Outrider  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 11:55:44pm

re: #41 pink freud

Thank you :-)

sorry about that. I honestly thought you had bagged it for the night. ;-(>

45 BlueCanuck  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 11:56:12pm

re: #41 pink freud

Nuts, for some reason I can't read the article. I hate IE6 at times. Ah well I will read it at home.

46 x-wing  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 11:56:47pm

re: #38 BlueCanuck

That has to be one of the most unflattering pictures I have seen. Was that intentional? Or was that after the touch ups?

I'm a guy ,and I think JFK Jr. was the best looking of the bunch (I'm not gay...not that there is anything wrong with that)

I never got the Kennedy hot thing.

47 SurferDoc  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 11:58:01pm

re: #43 redc1c4

if anything, it'll have a pair of pants in it. %-)

/white smoke

Shorts, Dude. I keep tellin' ya it's shorts!

48 Outrider  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 11:58:48pm

re: #45 BlueCanuck

Nuts, for some reason I can't read the article. I hate IE6 at times. Ah well I will read it at home.

would you be able to read it at this link?

49 x-wing  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 11:59:21pm

re: #47 SurferDoc

Shorts, Dude. I keep tellin' ya it's shorts!


Well they look like pants on you ;>}

///white smoke

50 Killian Bundy  Wed, Jan 21, 2009 11:59:25pm

Well, let's recap:

-- Close the Guantanamo Bay detention camp
-- Stop the terrorist trials in their tracks*
-- Close all the covert overseas CIA terrorist interrogation facilities
-- Pledge more FOIA access so our enemies won't have to spy so hard

*nevermind that the monsters responsible for 9/11 have confessed at least twice in front of a judge hoping to be executed

/and the week's not even over yet, don't you feel safer now that you've gotten your ideals and liberty restored to Clinton levels?

51 redc1c4  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 12:00:59am

re: #37 SurferDoc

*Ignores the riff-raff*

Hiya, Blue!

you CAN'T ignore riff raff...

52 redc1c4  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 12:02:47am

re: #47 SurferDoc

Shorts, Dude. I keep tellin' ya it's shorts!

are you a doctor or an electrician?

53 Outrider  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 12:03:12am

re: #50 Killian Bundy

Well, let's recap:

-- Close the Guantanamo Bay detention camp
-- Stop the terrorist trials in their tracks*
-- Close all the covert overseas CIA terrorist interrogation facilities
-- Pledge more FOIA access so our enemies won't have to spy so hard

*nevermind that the monsters responsible for 9/11 have confessed at least twice in front of a judge hoping to be executed

/and the week's not even over yet, don't you feel safer now that you've gotten your ideals and liberty restored to Clinton levels?

let us not forget the NorKors either:

In a statement issued last Saturday, the communist North threatened an ``all-out confrontational posture'' against the South.

Seoul responded calmly to the North's threat, which analysts said was mainly aimed at the new U.S. government.

54 redc1c4  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 12:03:42am

re: #50 Killian Bundy

Well, let's recap:

-- Close the Guantanamo Bay detention camp
-- Stop the terrorist trials in their tracks*
-- Close all the covert overseas CIA terrorist interrogation facilities
-- Pledge more FOIA access so our enemies won't have to spy so hard

*nevermind that the monsters responsible for 9/11 have confessed at least twice in front of a judge hoping to be executed

/and the week's not even over yet, don't you feel safer now that you've gotten your ideals and liberty restored to Clinton levels?

is that a trick question?

55 SurferDoc  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 12:04:34am

re: #51 redc1c4

you CAN'T ignore riff raff...

Nothing like a little AC/DC primal rock!re: #52 redc1c4

are you a doctor or an electrician?

Amateur gynecologist.

56 Dustyvet  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 12:05:00am

re: #54 redc1c4

is that a trick question?

*THUD*

57 redc1c4  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 12:07:47am

re: #53 Outrider

if the Inmun Gun comes south, my money's on the ROK's.

58 redc1c4  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 12:08:57am

re: #56 Dustyvet

*THUD*

quick! get that man a fruitcup!

59 mean Gene  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 12:10:59am

The Aussies have another nutcase cleric who openly says what he believes and expects the infidels to ignore it in silence:

[Link: news.bbc.co.uk...]

A Muslim cleric in Australia who said men have a right to force their wives to have sex has been told to apologise by Prime Minister Kevin Rudd.

60 x-wing  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 12:11:54am

re: #38 BlueCanuck

That has to be one of the most unflattering pictures I have seen. Was that intentional? Or was that after the touch ups?

She looks like Beauty and the Beast rolled into one.

61 Outrider  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 12:13:08am

night all

62 Sgt.Slappy  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 12:13:35am

re: #31 itellu3times

Say it 3 times fast:

How many oaths could an oval office oaf utter,
if an oval office oaf could utter oaths.

63 redc1c4  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 12:14:24am

might as well save the automobile bail out money

hell, might as well cancel the whole stimulus fiasco if they go there...

what economy?

64 redc1c4  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 12:15:14am

re: #62 Sgt.Slappy

Say it 3 times fast:

How many oaths could an oval office oaf utter,
if an oval office oaf could utter oaths.

but i read it was all Roberts fault that Juggy jumped all over him and screwed things up...

65 x-wing  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 12:18:36am

re: #63 redc1c4

might as well save the automobile bail out money

hell, might as well cancel the whole stimulus fiasco if they go there...

what economy?

And they re-called Grey Davis for this?

/momma please wake me up.

66 Pietr  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 12:19:17am

I've been trying to read the 'O snubs MOH Ball', but had to bookmark it. I'd glad Buzz had enough Karma to survive, but I'd have asked where Buzz lived to start with-then explained why we here were angered-so maybe Buzzs' karma wouldn't have been lost in the hundreds.

That said, I'm a contributor to Paralyzed Veterans of America, and belonged to the American Legion (AL was listed as main sponsor)-they were some of the service organization sponsors. GWB made visits to WR without the press (while in office)-BO wouldn't visit the wounded in Germany without the press (while seeking the office). For BO to have 'Dissed' this Ball was unforgiveable, and a statement. And the statement doesn't speak well for his term...:>((

67 redc1c4  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 12:19:34am

re: #65 x-wing

And they re-called Grey Davis for this?

/momma please wake me up.

hard to believe, but Davis *was* dumber... it's what we get for electing RINOs...

68 x-wing  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 12:21:26am

re: #64 redc1c4

but i read it was all Roberts fault that Juggy jumped all over him and screwed things up...

It must have been even mentioning That Ones&#8482 middle name.

How dare we mortals even speak it.

69 redc1c4  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 12:22:04am

re: #66 Pietr

I've been trying to read the 'O snubs MOH Ball', but had to bookmark it. I'd glad Buzz had enough Karma to survive, but I'd have asked where Buzz lived to start with-then explained why we here were angered-so maybe Buzzs' karma wouldn't have been lost in the hundreds.

That said, I'm a contributor to Paralyzed Veterans of America, and belonged to the American Legion (AL was listed as main sponsor)-they were some of the service organization sponsors. GWB made visits to WR without the press (while in office)-BO wouldn't visit the wounded in Germany without the press (while seeking the office). For BO to have 'Dissed' this Ball was unforgiveable, and a statement. And the statement doesn't speak well for his term...:>((

yup: their president is a real class act.

4 years of tacky, stupid and just plain dumb, coming right up!

70 gmsc  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 12:22:59am

Courtesy of Ace:

Michelle 0bama's Inauguration Day dress (photo)

Oval Office curtains (photo)

That answers that question!
;)

71 Erik The Red  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 12:23:09am

re: #66 Pietr

I've been trying to read the 'O snubs MOH Ball', but had to bookmark it. I'd glad Buzz had enough Karma to survive, but I'd have asked where Buzz lived to start with-then explained why we here were angered-so maybe Buzzs' karma wouldn't have been lost in the hundreds.

That said, I'm a contributor to Paralyzed Veterans of America, and belonged to the American Legion (AL was listed as main sponsor)-they were some of the service organization sponsors. GWB made visits to WR without the press (while in office)-BO wouldn't visit the wounded in Germany without the press (while seeking the office). For BO to have 'Dissed' this Ball was unforgiveable, and a statement. And the statement doesn't speak well for his term...:>((

WTF are you talking about? I missed Pietr language at school/ Morning btw.

72 redc1c4  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 12:23:17am

re: #68 x-wing

It must have been even mentioning That Ones™ middle name.

How dare we mortals even speak it.

that's why i just call him "Juggy"... %-)

/i wonder if it will still seem funny in the reeducation camp?

73 Pietr  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 12:24:16am

re: #68 x-wing

It must have been even mentioning That Ones&#8482 middle name.

How dare we mortals even speak it.

I REFUSE to use it. If we couldn't mention it when he was running, he don't need it for office-can't have it both ways. He'll just always be BO to me...Heh Heh.

74 gmsc  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 12:26:02am

re: #51 redc1c4

you CAN'T ignore riff raff...

I always liked Riff Raff, despite the villainy:


;)
75 Karridine  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 12:26:04am

*apologies to Mrs Murphy's Chowder*

"Who dumped the Acid in the water that we drink?
Who taught us rote and then told us it was "think"?
Who was the rotter who gave us all Code Pink?
So surreal sometimes...

Where is my minder as my mind begins to wander?
Why is Obama here while I am over yonder?
Why are some many things verboten now to ponder?
So surreal sometimes...

He did it all,
Didn't fall,
Got into the House of White
See if he
Can see to be
There to paint it red tonite!

Hairy Carey, in "The Squamous Sasquatch Symphony in B-Sharp, Major!"

76 x-wing  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 12:26:46am

re: #67 redc1c4

hard to believe, but Davis *was* dumber... it's what we get for electing RINOs...

Some movie stars should stick...wait most all movie stars should stick to making movies.

I actually thought Ahnold ,being from Austria, would clamp down on Calli-forn-i-ya.

They need Chuck Norris now!

77 Sharmuta  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 12:27:12am

re: #70 gmsc

Courtesy of Ace:

Michelle 0bama's Inauguration Day dress (photo)

Oval Office curtains (photo)

That answers that question!
;)

She went all Scarlett O'Hara, huh?

78 gmsc  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 12:28:14am

re: #77 Sharmuta

She went all Scarlett O'Hara, huh?

She saw the dress in the window and she just couldn't resist it!

79 Pietr  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 12:28:58am

re: #71 Erik The Red

WTF are you talking about? I missed Pietr language at school/ Morning btw.

MOH=Medal of Honor...GWB=George W Bush...WR=Walter Reed (Army Hospital)...That covers acronyms, Erik-what else needs translated? And, G'Morning Back...Cheers.

80 Fenway_Nation  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 12:29:15am

I'm thinking of calling up some of the dinosaur Mainstream Mouthpiece outlets tomorrow as a breathless 0bamanaut and asking him if they have any spare copies of President 0bama at the Medal of Honor Innagural Ball. I think I'll start with some Tribune Co owned newspapers before working my down (not that I started in too lofty a position to begin with) to the NY Times, Thompson Reuters or McQuislingClatchey. If I feel they're gonna give me the runaround, I'll just ask how their stock prices are doing today to pass the time...

81 [deleted]  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 12:30:13am
82 gmsc  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 12:30:30am

re: #77 Sharmuta

She went all Scarlett O'Hara, huh?

Or at least all Carol Burnett . . .

83 redc1c4  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 12:31:09am

re: #70 gmsc

Courtesy of Ace:

Michelle 0bama's Inauguration Day dress (photo)

Oval Office curtains (photo)

That answers that question!
;)

that dress and the one WAB wore that night inspired my offering at #21 in this thread...

tacky is tacky, no matter how much money it costs.

84 freetoken  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 12:31:46am

re: #80 Fenway_Nation

I'm thinking of calling up some of the dinosaur

Dinosaurs are two flights downstairs.

85 IslandLibertarian  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 12:31:55am

re: #70 gmsc

"Have you seen her dressed in gold,
Like a queen in days of old?"

My first thought was that she dressed like she wants to be crowned queen.
/but she ain't a "Rainbow"...

86 x-wing  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 12:31:57am

re: #73 Pietr

I REFUSE to use it. If we couldn't mention it when he was running, he don't need it for office-can't have it both ways. He'll just always be BO to me...Heh Heh.


How did the &#8482 come out in the html type?

Have you been training behind our backs? ;>}

///

87 Pietr  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 12:32:14am

re: #81 Iron Fist

I prefer my sunshine bottled. It's easier to store that way. Then when you need it, you open up your bottled sunshine and shine it where it needs to be shown.

It is, by all accounts, a life-changing event for all who are within sight of it.

Do you use this as a Rectal treatment on some of the worst offenders-then watch as they turn to dust?

/white smoke...

88 mean Gene  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 12:34:06am

Re #70
That curvy valance that doesn't quite cover the top of the window frame?
That would drive me nuts!
My homemade stuff is better planned than that.

89 Erik The Red  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 12:34:40am

re: #79 Pietr

MOH=Medal of Honor...GWB=George W Bush...WR=Walter Reed (Army Hospital)...That covers acronyms, Erik-what else needs translated? And, G'Morning Back...Cheers.

Thanks I got most of that the first time. It was the part about buzz that I needed help with. Has the mfm called 44 out on this? Haven't seen to much about it.

90 gmsc  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 12:35:41am

re: #82 gmsc

Or at least all Carol Burnett . . .

[Video]

Quick bit o'trivia: The "curtain dress" from that sketch was designed and created by none other than Bob Mackie!

91 x-wing  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 12:35:45am

re: #72 redc1c4

that's why i just call him "Juggy"... %-)

/i wonder if it will still seem funny in the reeducation camp?

I guess you can let me know, I'll probably be be in the cell, 'er room, right next to you. You can tap on the wall.

/see if you can sneak in some booze ;>}

92 blackpajamas  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 12:36:40am

The Neuter of Totus (a flacid factotum pole)

He being The One, and the one being all, setting actual ancestry aside, one thing is certain, we have a factotum in our midst!

Let's track the wily factotum, down the evolutionary off ramps:

Factotum, n. An employee or assistant who serves in a wide range of capacities.* (Lawyer Years)

Hacktotum, n. An employee or assistant who serves in a wide range of incapacities. (Junior Senator)

Baraktotum, n. An employee or assistant whose ego mis-serves in a wide range of incapacities. (NEW! TOTUS**)

Hopefully, the TOTUS does not totally live up to his name, as the root of the issue illustrates, as that might imply he'll also "do everything" (in all possible manner of stimulus!):

[Medieval Latin factotum : Latin fac, imperative of facere, to do; see dhe- in Indo-European roots + Latin totum, everything, from neuter of totus, all; see teuta- in Indo-European roots.]*

So how do we know we have an authentic factotem pole?

If, according to the "Encylopedia of Rampant Plagiarism and Unbounded Non-Attribution" entry for Totem Pole:

"Poles are also carved to illustrate stories, to commemorate historic persons, to represent shamanic powers, and to provide objects of public ridicule."

Then a factotum pole is the monumentally erected all-inclusive, do-everything, wide-ranging, story-illustrated, historically commemorated, shamanic-empowered prick.

Quod Erat Disastrum.

* factotum
** TOTUS, Totus Of the United States

93 redc1c4  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 12:36:42am

re: #81 Iron Fist

I prefer my sunshine bottled. It's easier to store that way. Then when you need it, you open up your bottled sunshine and shine it where it needs to be shown.

It is, by all accounts, a life-changing event for all who are within sight of it.

is that anything like the phrase "buckets of instant sunshine"?

94 gmsc  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 12:38:01am

re: #85 IslandLibertarian

"Have you seen her dressed in gold,
Like a queen in days of old?"

My first thought was that she dressed like she wants to be crowned queen.
/but she ain't a "Rainbow"...

Well, it did bring the song "Rainbow High" to mind:

95 redc1c4  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 12:40:17am

re: #82 gmsc

Or at least all Carol Burnett . . .

[Video]

Emperor Misha 1 had this to say about the whole fashion show:
"In other news, we’ve been watching pictures of the coronation ceremony since they keep popping up everywhere. First off, let us compliment the G-d Emperor on his choice of clothes. He looked just like a scrawny scarecrow in an Armani suit which, come to think of it, pretty much describes him: All suit, nothing but straw inside.

His First Sasquatch, on the other hand, wasn’t quite as subdued. She went all out celebrating her newfound fame and fortune as First Ho of the United States, showing up first in an outfit that made us weep for the rococo couch that had to give up its life and be skinned to cover her doublewide arse. And then, later on, she showed up at the inaugural ball dressed up as the Charmin’ mascot (minus the bears), and we have to admit that we never thought that any land object of that kind of mass could be TP’ed that artfully, but still she managed.

You can throw a nobleman into a burlap sack without him losing his bearing, but no matter how much you dress up a peasant, it will still be obvious to all and sundry that you’re dealing with a peasant.

We were a bit surprised that the Beanstalk-in-Chief agreed to her baring her shoulders like that, though. Not out of modesty, we’re not even sure that the Husseins are aware of the meaning of the word, but because it has to be a bit embarrassing that her shoulders are broader than his even when he’s the only one wearing padding."

96 Sharmuta  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 12:42:01am

re: #82 gmsc

What I wouldn't give to have real entertainment like that again.

Thanks so much for linking that- I LMAO.

97 Erik The Red  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 12:42:28am

On their wedding night, the young bride
approached her new
husband and asked for $20.00 for their first
lovemaking encounter. In
his highly aroused state, her husband readily
agreed.

This scenario was repeated each time they made
love, for more
than 30 years, with him thinking that it was a
cute way for her to
afford new clothes and other incidentals that
she needed.

Arriving home around noon one day, she was
surprised to find
her husband in a very drunken state.
During the next few minutes, he explained that
his employer
was going through a process of corporate
downsizing, and he had
been let go. It was unlikely that, at the age of
59, he'd be able to find
another position that paid anywhere near what
he'd been earning, and
therefore, they
were financially ruined.

Calmly, his wife handed him a bank book which
showed more than thirty
years of steady deposits and interest totaling
nearly $1 million. Then she
showed him certificates of deposits issued
by the bank which were worth over $2 million,
and informed him that they
were one of the largest depositors in the bank.

She explained that
for the more than
three decades she had "charged" him for sex,
these holdings had multiplied
and these were the
results of her savings and investments.

Faced with evidence of cash and investments
worth over $3
million, her husband was so astounded he could
barely speak, but
finally he found his voice and blurted out, "If
I'd had any idea what you
were doing, I would have given you all my
"business!"

That's when she shot him.


You know, sometimes, men just don't know when
to keep their mouths shut.

98 IslandLibertarian  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 12:43:48am

re: #94 gmsc

I was thinking about this "Rainbow"...nothing like Ms "0"...[Link: www.dailymotion.com...]

99 Pietr  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 12:43:56am

re: #89 Erik The Red

Thanks I got most of that the first time. It was the part about buzz that I needed help with. Has the mfm called 44 out on this? Haven't seen to much about it.

Well Buzz got hammered for not understanding our anger, and playing devils advocate. If you go back and look, Buzz probably lost between 200/300 karma points. Re the MOH Ball/Heroes Ball-I've only seen it on the web-did not catch anything on FOX even. So unless LGF/Ace/Black5 or another blog gets it noticed by Drudge/Newsmax/Fox-it probably won't get publicized.

100 gmsc  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 12:44:03am

re: #96 Sharmuta

What I wouldn't give to have real entertainment like that again.

Thanks so much for linking that- I LMAO.

You're welcome.

Yep, many's the time I've said that the classics are classics for a reason!

101 Sharmuta  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 12:45:18am

re: #100 gmsc

I love both Carol and GWTW, so that was great.

102 Erik The Red  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 12:45:43am

re: #95 redc1c4

I love Misha's take on most things. He has a way of saying things that are spot on in a very wicked and vile way that only he can express.

103 [deleted]  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 12:46:00am
104 x-wing  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 12:46:23am

re: #95 redc1c4


If you ask me. Someone..anyone should have told her to cut that shoulder strap off. That had to be the ugliest,most tacky Inaugural dress I ever saw.

105 gmsc  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 12:46:26am

re: #98 IslandLibertarian

I was thinking about this "Rainbow"...nothing like Ms "0"...[Link: www.dailymotion.com...]

Thanks for the link! I had no idea there was a whole song. I figured it was just a jingle the first time I heard it:

106 redc1c4  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 12:46:44am

re: #99 Pietr

Well Buzz got hammered for not understanding our anger, and playing devils advocate. If you go back and look, Buzz probably lost between 200/300 karma points. Re the MOH Ball/Heroes Ball-I've only seen it on the web-did not catch anything on FOX even. So unless LGF/Ace/Black5 or another blog gets it noticed by Drudge/Newsmax/Fox-it probably won't get publicized.

what makes you, or anyone, believe that the MFM is *ever* going to carry a story that makes Juggy look bad?

107 redc1c4  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 12:48:34am

re: #102 Erik The Red

I love Misha's take on most things. He has a way of saying things that are spot on in a very wicked and vile way that only he can express.

gotta agree. i't been awhile since i've been there, and i was leary about linking, since i thought it might infringe on Stinky's sense of propriety, give the tone of some of the posts...

108 [deleted]  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 12:48:36am
109 gmsc  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 12:48:53am

re: #101 Sharmuta

I love both Carol and GWTW, so that was great.

For the full effect, you need to watch the full skit, which was posted in 2 parts:

110 Pietr  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 12:50:08am

re: #106 redc1c4

what makes you, or anyone, believe that the MFM is *ever* going to carry a story that makes Juggy look bad?

Personally, I fondly call him BO...but, you're right...:>((

111 Erik The Red  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 12:50:58am

re: #107 redc1c4

gotta agree. i't been awhile since i've been there, and i was leary about linking, since i thought it might infringe on Stinky's sense of propriety, give the tone of some of the posts...

I think that is a pretty good policy. I also don't know Charles position on the Rott. might be worth asking someone who has been here longer.

112 Erik The Red  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 12:52:36am

A little old man shuffled slowly into an ice
cream parlor and pulled himself slowly, painfully, up onto a stool..

After catching his breath, he ordered a banana split.
The waitress asked kindly, 'Crushed nuts?'

'No,' he replied, 'Arthritis.'

113 Erik The Red  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 12:53:43am

TEN TIMES NORMAL SIZE

The 6th grade science teacher, Mrs. Parks, asked her class, 'Which human
body part increases to ten times its size when stimulated?'

No one answered until little Mary stood up and said, 'You should not be
asking sixth-graders a question like that! I'm going to tell my parents,
and they will go and tell the principal, who will then fire you!'

Mrs. Parks ignored her and asked the question again, 'Which body part
increases to 10 times its size when stimulated?'

Little Mary's mouth fell open.

Then she said to those around her, 'Boy is she going to get in big trouble!'


The teacher continued to ignore her and said to the class, 'Anybody?'

Finally, Billy stood up, looked around nervously, and said, 'The body part
that increases 10 times its size when stimulated is the pupil of the eye.

Mrs. Parks said, 'Very good, Billy.'

Then she turned to Mary and continued...

And as for you, young lady, I have three things to say...
One... you have a dirty mind.
Two... you didn't read your homework.
And three... one day you are going to be very, very disappointed.'

114 [deleted]  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 12:55:43am
115 x-wing  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 12:55:56am

I'm hoping against all hope that this is not our fate.

116 redc1c4  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 12:56:29am

re: #108 Iron Fist

Probably. I don't recall where I first heard the term used. It was shortly after 9-11 when a lot of conversations discussed the possibility of using it for large scale urban renewal in the Mohammedan world.

my phrase was batted around the mil groups of usenet for years... same concept.

117 Spare O'Lake  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 12:59:42am

Hhello Hovernight Hopen Honcos.
Hdo hyou hlike hextraneous h's?

118 blackpajamas  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 12:59:47am

re: #108 Iron Fist

Probably. I don't recall where I first heard the term used. It was shortly after 9-11 when a lot of conversations discussed the possibility of using it for large scale urban renewal in the Mohammedan world.

In respect to urban renewal,

If gentrification is, "the process of renewal and rebuilding accompanying the influx of middle-class or affluent people into deteriorating areas that often displaces poorer residents."[1]

Then roentgentrification would be the process of canned sunshine's renewal and rebuilding accompanying the influx gamma rays and X-rays into deteriorating areas that often displaces Jihadis.

119 gmsc  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 1:00:34am

re: #117 Spare O'Lake

Hhello Hovernight Hopen Honcos.
Hdo hyou hlike hextraneous h's?

Heh.

120 redc1c4  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 1:01:03am

re: #114 Iron Fist

To my knowledge there is no friction between the Emporer and LGF. I don't go over there that much anymore. I'm just too busy. I'd advise scanning their archives for anything calling for an alliance beteen the "anti-Jihad" and neo-nazi, hard "right" or White Supremacy bullshit. That's the shit that really pisses Charles off.

i was just thinking they were being a bit less kind on the whole Juggy thing than the boss likes us to be. if i saw any of the other sort of thing, i'd be gone for good.

121 x-wing  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 1:04:30am

re: #117 Spare O'Lake

So now we're oncos'?

OK who forgot to send us the memo? ;>}
/

122 redc1c4  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 1:04:33am

re: #119 gmsc

Heh.

Hah.

123 Pietr  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 1:04:55am

re: #119 gmsc

Didn't see you over in the corner there, gmsc-what are the odds we survive the remainder of BO's term? Oh, G'Morning...:>))

124 redc1c4  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 1:05:18am

re: #117 Spare O'Lake

Hhello Hovernight Hopen Hhoncos.
Hdo hyou hlike hextraneous h's?

FTFY!

125 Erik The Red  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 1:06:34am

re: #120 redc1c4

i was just thinking they were being a bit less kind on the whole Juggy thing than the boss likes us to be. if i saw any of the other sort of thing, i'd be gone for good.

I read the Rott almost everyday for the last 2 years. I don't recall ever seeing anything there that should be counter to LGF's. Its some of the comments that I may have missed that would be of concern. If you think we are tough on trolls here you should see them get a real hard smack down over there.

126 redc1c4  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 1:08:02am

re: #123 Pietr

Didn't see you over in the corner there, gmsc-what are the odds we survive the remainder of BO's term? Oh, G'Morning...:>))

i guess it depends on how many of us get JBBS in the next 4 years...

127 gmsc  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 1:08:22am

re: #123 Pietr

Didn't see you over in the corner there, gmsc-what are the odds we survive the remainder of BO's term? Oh, G'Morning...:>))

Hi, Pietr! Yeah, I was just over here in the "Gone With The Wind" section.

Well, I understand from Biden that the first 6 months will be the roughest, as our country will be tested, and it won't seem at first that we're doing the right thing . . .

128 redc1c4  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 1:08:55am

re: #126 redc1c4

i guess it depends on how many of us get JBSS in the next 4 years...

FTFM!

129 blackpajamas  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 1:09:13am

According to Mr. Victor Hanson's Uneasy Feeling, under the section on "Some More Modest Proposals in the Age of Obama", one sees the phrase "green environmentalist:

1. If you are a green environmentalist

When I read that phrase too quickly, it registered in my tiny noggin as "greenvironmentalist" -- which I thought was odd, however, there may be a useful distinction here.

E.g., if the term environmentalist has gotten a "bad rap" over the years, then perhaps the greenvironmentalist is really the more apropos descriptor for what is commonly meant by the (pejorative) label "environmentalist"; aka Greenshirt of the Gorestapo.

130 redc1c4  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 1:10:09am

re: #127 gmsc

Hi, Pietr! Yeah, I was just over here in the "Gone With The Wind" section.

Well, I understand from Biden that the first 6 months will be the roughest, as our country will be tested, and it won't seem at first that we're doing the right thing . . .

and then, after that, it will be so obvious that what we're doing is the wrong thing that even Helen Keller will be able to see it.

131 Erik The Red  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 1:10:55am

An Irishman was terribly overweight, so his doctor put him on a diet.

'I want you to eat regularly for 2 days, then skip a day, and repeat this
procedure for 2 weeks'. The next time I see you, you should have lost at
least 5 pounds.

When the Irishman returned, he shocked the doctor by having lost nearly
60lbs!

'Why, that's amazing!' the doctor said, 'Did you follow my instructions?'

The Irishman nodded...'I'll tell you though, by jaesuz, I t'aut I were going
to drop dead on dat 3rd day.'

'From the hunger, you mean?' asked the doctor.
'No, from the "fucking" skippin'

132 Spare O'Lake  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 1:11:01am

re: #124 redc1c4

HFTFY!

Hthanks.

133 Erik The Red  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 1:12:29am

A married man left work early one Friday, but instead of going home,
he spent the weekend partying with the boys. When he finally returned home on Sunday night, his wife really got on his case and stayed on it.

After a few of hours of swearing and screaming, his wife paused and
pointed at him and made him an offer. "How would you like it if you
didn't see me for a couple of days?"...

The husband couldn't believe his luck, so he looked up, smiled and
said, "That would suit me just fine!"

Monday went by, and the man didn't see his wife.

Tuesday and Wednesday went by and he still didn't see her.

Come Thursday, the swelling went down a bit and he could see her a little
out of the corner of his left eye.

134 x-wing  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 1:15:42am

re: #125 Erik The Red

I read the Rott almost everyday for the last 2 years. I don't recall ever seeing anything there that should be counter to LGF's. Its some of the comments that I may have missed that would be of concern. If you think we are tough on trolls here you should see them get a real hard smack down over there.


That's what I like about this site. Charles keeps' a close eye on the goings on here and trolls don't get to hang around long.

It is fun to smack a troll around once in awhile, but I've been on sites where it always ends up in a thread jack.

135 logboy  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 1:16:30am

re: #79 Pietr

MOH=Medal of Honor...GWB=George W Bush...WR=Walter Reed (Army Hospital)...That covers acronyms, Erik-what else needs translated? And, G'Morning Back...Cheers.

Technically, its WRAMC (Walter Reed Army Medical Center). Just adding my 2cents.

136 redc1c4  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 1:17:13am

re: #132 Spare O'Lake

Hthanks.

hits hall hpart hof hthe hfree hservice!

137 redc1c4  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 1:18:18am

re: #134 x-wing

That's what I like about this site. Charles keeps' a close eye on the goings on here and trolls don't get to hang around long.

It is fun to smack a troll around once in awhile, but I've been on sites where it always ends up in a thread jack.

that's why we still have Usenet... %-)

138 blackpajamas  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 1:18:36am

* surrounded by bad jokes, must resist, must not tell, bad joke, must not ... *

OK, so Barak Obama goes to the doctor with a frog stuck to his head.

The doctor says, well Barak, tell me how it happened?

So then the frog says, "Well, it all started with a bump on my arse..."

139 Fenway_Nation  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 1:18:41am

re: #136 redc1c4


Won't all services be free under the reign of King Barry the Present?

140 Spare O'Lake  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 1:21:07am

Michelle my belle
These are words that go together well,
My Michelle.
Michelle, ma belle
Sont les mots qui vont tres bien ensemble,
Tres bien ensemble.
I lo...

BLLLEEECHHH!
*spit*

Sorry...

141 redc1c4  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 1:21:10am

re: #139 Fenway_Nation

Won't all services be free under the reign of King Barry the Present?


only to the deserving. however, the shortages will all be distributed amongst the peasants.

142 Pietr  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 1:22:40am

re: #127 gmsc

Hi, Pietr! Yeah, I was just over here in the "Gone With The Wind" section.

Well, I understand from Biden that the first 6 months will be the roughest, as our country will be tested, and it won't seem at first that we're doing the right thing . . .

I think you said it in your first sentence, Amigo..."Gone With The Wind".

143 Erik The Red  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 1:24:21am

Last one
Talking dog for sale

A guy is driving around the back woods of Tennessee and he sees a sign in
front of a broken down shanty-style house: "Talking Dog For Sale."
He rings the bell and the owner appears and tells him the dog is in the back
yard. The guy goes into the back yard and sees a nice looking Labrador
retriever sitting there.

"You talk?" he asks. "Yep," the Lab replies.

After the guy recovers from the shock of hearing a dog talk, he says "So,
what's your story? "The Lab looks up and says, "Well, I discovered that I
could talk when I was pretty young. I wanted to help the government, so I
told the CIA. In no time at all they had me jetting from country to country,
sitting in rooms with spies and world leaders; because no one figured a dog
would be eaves- dropping. I was one of their most valuable spies for eight
years running."

"But the jetting around really tired me out, and I knew I wasn't getting any
younger so I decided to settle down .I signed up for a job at the airport to
do some undercover security, wandering near suspicious characters and
listening in." I uncovered some incredible dealings and was awarded a batch
of medals. I got married, had a mess of puppies, and now I'm just retired."

The guy is amazed. He goes back in and asks the owner what he wants for the
dog. "Ten dollars," the guy says "Ten dollars? This dog is amazing! Why on
earth are you selling him so cheap?"

"Because he's a liar. He never did any of that stuff."

144 BatGuano  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 1:24:35am

re: #129 blackpajamas

I have seen stills and video of President Obama at his desk in the oval office. Is it just me or does he look very young small? I don't think I have a point to make; Just curious.

145 gmsc  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 1:24:50am

re: #142 Pietr

I think you said it in your first sentence, Amigo..."Gone With The Wind".

I've been zinged, so you've been updinged!

146 Pietr  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 1:25:49am

re: #140 Spare O'Lake

I'm stunned. I don't downding normally-but I'm torn between up and down, right now. That WAS a beautiful song previously...

/white smoke...

147 redc1c4  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 1:27:42am

the drugs are kicking in, so i'm for the rack...

Henjoy hthe hfruitcup.

hasta, y'all...

L8r!

148 Sharmuta  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 1:27:58am

re: #114 Iron Fist

To my knowledge there is no friction between the Emporer and LGF. I don't go over there that much anymore. I'm just too busy. I'd advise scanning their archives for anything calling for an alliance beteen the "anti-Jihad" and neo-nazi, hard "right" or White Supremacy bullshit. That's the shit that really pisses Charles off.

I'd also look for Nirther crap.

149 Oh no...Sand People!  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 1:28:12am

OT:

"Atlas Shrugged"...

If some of you haven't...You GOTTA read that book. I swear it was written last week. It's amazing. Blowing my mind how spot on Ayn Rand called it back in the fifties. Kee-ripes.

Well, only a drive by post.

Later all.

150 Claire  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 1:29:22am

re: #140 Spare O'Lake

Lol! I read in my paper this morning that Michelle's yellow dress yesterday was a "cheerful message of hope," and Laura's grey dress was dowdy, dour and unfashionable in comparison. Aretha Franklin's exact same shade of grey, however, was demure in color so as not to take any shine away from the Golden One.

I really cannot stand the human race sometimes.

151 x-wing  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 1:30:09am

re: #147 redc1c4

the drugs are kicking in, so i'm for the rack...

Henjoy hthe hfruitcup.

hasta, y'all...

L8r!


Red...dude.. I promised LoL we'd be here for fruitcup...Red...Red

152 BlueCanuck  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 1:31:08am

Night red, try to stay out of too much trouble.

153 Pietr  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 1:31:30am

re: #145 gmsc

WOW-I'm honored-but still very tentative over those next 4 years. I'm not feeling real positive, despite all the hopen/changey crap...:>((

154 redc1c4  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 1:31:56am

re: #144 BatGuano

I have seen stills and video of President Obama at his desk in the oval office. Is it just me or does he look very young small? I don't think I have a point to make; Just curious.

made this one just for you!

it's funny what the filter will and won't let you type in...
this went through, but "above my pay grade" didn't. %-)

155 blackpajamas  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 1:33:25am

Whereas, according to recent Vodka-punditry:

With Kennedy in such ill health, I never could understand why Hillary accepted the job of Secretary of State. It was obvious Kennedy would be serving a smaller role in the Senate, clearing the way for Clinton to take his spot as the “liberal lion.”

The question of why Billy Jeff's concubine decided to ditch the baboon cage might be best answerable in that she thinks that roughly four years from now she will be perceived by the Idiotarian Electorati as having at least as much "executive" experience as The One, while, by virtue of having displayed (according to her pronouncements) more leadership in the Secretary of State position, during that time, than displayed by The One (in his nominally, and expected to be, more powerful position), she could then challenge him, not as an equal, but as a perceived superior.

156 Spare O'Lake  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 1:34:47am

re: #146 Pietr

I'm stunned. I don't downding normally-but I'm torn between up and down, right now. That WAS a beautiful song previously...

/white smoke...

It has changed for me too - I can't even listen all the way through anymore without getting pissed off. Here, you try.

157 redc1c4  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 1:34:48am

re: #152 BlueCanuck

Night red, try to stay out of too much trouble.

Trouble is my Buisness

158 x-wing  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 1:35:20am

re: #150 Claire

That was a yellow dress WAB was wearing?

Looked like calf-shit green to me.

From here on out I'll only buy the New York Post, for the Op-Eds. But if they keep up with the Obama-gasms I'm totally done with print media.

159 gmsc  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 1:35:21am

re: #149 Oh no...Sand People!

OT:

"Atlas Shrugged"...

If some of you haven't...You GOTTA read that book. I swear it was written last week. It's amazing. Blowing my mind how spot on Ayn Rand called it back in the fifties. Kee-ripes.

Well, only a drive by post.

Later all.

The unabridged audiobook version of Atlas Shrugged is currently available for only $7.49 (Normally $48.97) for new members!

160 gmsc  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 1:36:24am

re: #149 Oh no...Sand People!

OT:

Wait . . . Off topic in an open thread?!? Now THERE'S a good trick!

161 redc1c4  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 1:36:40am

re: #151 x-wing

Red...dude.. I promised LoL we'd be here for fruitcup...Red...Red

well, if you insist... what's another 25 mikes, when i should have been in bed before midnight?

162 blackpajamas  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 1:37:57am

re: #144 BatGuano

I have seen stills and video of President Obama at his desk in the oval office. Is it just me or does he look very young small? I don't think I have a point to make; Just curious.

Hey, that reminds me, do you folks remember during the election and debates where some people/pundits were asking if others thought that Barak's lips looked blue or blue-ish (as if he were cold, or exhausted from non-stop campaigning)?

I think his lips were blue --

Because he was wearing 200 nico-derm patches under his suit, while trying to get through a debate without stage-diving into the audience and grovelling for a cigarette on national TV.

163 redc1c4  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 1:39:17am

re: #155 blackpajamas

Whereas, according to recent Vodka-punditry:

With Kennedy in such ill health, I never could understand why Hillary accepted the job of Secretary of State. It was obvious Kennedy would be serving a smaller role in the Senate, clearing the way for Clinton to take his spot as the “liberal lion.”

The question of why Billy Jeff's concubine decided to ditch the baboon cage might be best answerable in that she thinks that roughly four years from now she will be perceived by the Idiotarian Electorati as having at least as much "executive" experience as The One, while, by virtue of having displayed (according to her pronouncements) more leadership in the Secretary of State position, during that time, than displayed by The One (in his nominally, and expected to be, more powerful position), she could then challenge him, not as an equal, but as a perceived superior.

she'll have to either rescue something Juggy fucks up, or sandbag him on something without getting caught... 'cause unless he's in the dog house, he's their candidate in '12.

maybe she just didn't like being Senator?

164 redc1c4  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 1:40:08am

re: #160 gmsc

Wait . . . Off topic in an hopen thread?!? Now THERE'S a good trick!

HFTFY!

165 BatGuano  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 1:40:48am

re: #156 Spare O'Lake

I loved the song when it was new and I was 10. As I got older, the French lyrics bothered me. Now...damn.

166 Pietr  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 1:41:30am

re: #156 Spare O'Lake

It has changed for me too - I can't even listen all the way through anymore without getting pissed off. Here, you try.

Yeah, you're right...up on both posts...you didn't ruin the song, ya' just pointed it out...:>((

167 littleoldlady  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 1:42:13am

re: #155 blackpajamas

Meh.

What Hillary (and some of the rest of us) learned all too well from the last election is that a politician doesn't need any ch'taten experience. To be President all you need is a penis and two balls.

MISOGYNY IS ALIVE AND WELL IN AMERICA.

168 blackpajamas  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 1:42:52am

re: #163 redc1c4

she'll have to either rescue something Juggy fucks up, or sandbag him on something without getting caught... 'cause unless he's in the dog house, he's their candidate in '12.

maybe she just didn't like being Senator?

Or the Senate doesn't have the silverware to which she has become accustomed.

169 redc1c4  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 1:42:52am

here's the promotional ad for the straigh to DVD movie about Juggy's presidency.

/gawd i lurve this toy! %-)

170 Pietr  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 1:43:15am

re: #161 redc1c4

well, if you insist... what's another 25 mikes, when i should have been in bed before midnight?

If lol can post in the daylight-you can stick around...even if only to hand out 'red fruit cup' if lol doesn't make it...Heh Heh.

171 Sharmuta  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 1:43:26am

re: #167 littleoldlady

{lol}

172 Erik The Red  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 1:43:34am

re: #167 littleoldlady

Meh.

What Hillary (and some of the rest of us) learned all too well from the last election is that a politician doesn't need any ch'taten experience. To be President all you need is a penis and two balls.

MISOGYNY IS ALIVE AND WELL IN AMERICA.

We all know Hillary has the balls it is the other part that is missing.

173 redc1c4  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 1:43:49am

re: #168 blackpajamas

Or the Senate doesn't have the silverware to which she has become accustomed.

hHeh. %-)

174 Erik The Red  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 1:44:22am

Morning lol.

175 x-wing  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 1:44:46am

re: #161 redc1c4

well, if you insist... what's another 25 mikes, when i should have been in bed before midnight?

We'll have plenty of time to sleep when we're dead. And I don't have to work tomorr...today ;>}

I thought LoL was up and around at 4.

I take it I the booze made me think that.

176 redc1c4  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 1:45:59am

re: #167 littleoldlady

Meh.

What Hillary (and some of the rest of us) learned all too well from the last election is that a politician doesn't need any ch'taten experience. To be President all you need is a penis and two balls.

MISOGYNY IS ALIVE AND WELL IN AMERICA.

and since Juggy won, even that requirement is obviously waiverable...

now go get us some fruitcup while we discuss things.

/white smoke

177 Pietr  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 1:46:06am

But-can it be-it is truly 'the littleoldlady'-and her name is a killing word to the LLL...Heh Heh.

178 littleoldlady  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 1:46:40am

Sharmuta! :-)

Erik! :-)

x-wing! :-)

I AM STANDING UP!

179 blackpajamas  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 1:46:40am

re: #167 littleoldlady

Meh.

What Hillary (and some of the rest of us) learned all too well from the last election is that a politician doesn't need any ch'taten experience. To be President all you need is a penis and two balls.

Just don't tell that to Lance Armstrong!

180 little blessing  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 1:47:11am

(emerges, sniffs, "whew, this place still reeks of Obamas", adjusts gas mask and enters)

Hi everybody. How are we all?

181 little blessing  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 1:48:00am

re: #178 littleoldlady

Want the chair or the mic?

/

182 littleoldlady  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 1:48:22am

re: #176 redc1c4

red! :-)

Would you care for some hot, fresh coffee?

/...in your lap?

;-)

Pietr! :-)

183 BlueCanuck  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 1:48:50am

re: #178 littleoldlady

Good morning littleoldlady. Pink Freud wanted you to see this article. A real good one too.

184 littleoldlady  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 1:49:10am

re: #181 little blessing

little blessing! :-)

If I choose the chair can I have the whip, too? ;-)

185 gmsc  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 1:49:16am

Alabama Sen. E.B. McClain convicted of bribery.

Chicago Alderman Dixon arrested for drunk driving.

That's right - It's time to play "Name That Party"!

186 redc1c4  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 1:49:42am

re: #172 Erik The Red

We all know Hillary has the balls it is the other part that is missing.

there's a simple solution to that problem...

187 Crux Australis  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 1:49:44am

re: #167 littleoldlady

Meh.

What Hillary (and some of the rest of us) learned all too well from the last election is that a politician doesn't need any ch'taten experience. To be President all you need is a penis and two balls.

MISOGYNY IS ALIVE AND WELL IN AMERICA.

So Sarah Palin has no future then? Sad news.

188 BatGuano  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 1:50:08am

re: #159 gmsc

I bought my wife an unabridgere: #159 gmsc

I read the book last year and bought my wife an unabridged audio cd last Christmas, which she is still slogging through. It is prophetic, current and I would recommend it to anyone who wants to understand what is happening today. Just try to ignore some of the purple prose and bodice ripping drama.

189 little blessing  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 1:50:15am

re: #184 littleoldlady

Sure! Just give me time to get out of the way!

/Red and X-wing want to be first

190 littleoldlady  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 1:51:10am

re: #183 BlueCanuck

BlueCanuck! :-)

I saw it! Interesting...

I'm not sure Jew-hatred can be explained away by any kind of rational argument, bit it was interesting nevertheless.

191 littleoldlady  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 1:51:47am

but

/sheesh

192 BlueCanuck  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 1:51:57am

re: #189 little blessing

Well red is always crusing for a bruising. I blame his army experience. It tends to make one masochistic.

/white smoke
//and learned from personal experience.

193 BlueCanuck  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 1:52:54am

re: #190 littleoldlady

Yeah, I saw the movie with my friend Susie. Never seen anybody stay till after ALL the credits finished scrolling by before.

194 Pietr  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 1:53:04am

re: #185 gmsc

Alabama Sen. E.B. McClain convicted of bribery.

Chicago Alderman Dixon arrested for drunk driving.

That's right - It's time to play "Name That Party"!

Hmmm... No (R) in the headline...can it be anything other than (D)? Too easy...LOL.

195 redc1c4  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 1:53:20am

re: #182 littleoldlady

red! :-)

Would you care for some hot, fresh coffee?

/...in your lap?

;-)

Pietr! :-)

have a coffee mug and chill out...

196 redc1c4  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 1:54:30am

re: #185 gmsc

Alabama Sen. E.B. McClain convicted of bribery.

Chicago Alderman Dixon arrested for drunk driving.

That's right - It's time to play "Name That Party"!

and then there's Portland Oregon: the only place in the US where an 18 year old can have a Sam Adams...

/white smoke

197 littleoldlady  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 1:54:51am

Definition of Inoculatte: To take coffee intravenously.

/it's going to be a looonnng day! :-(

198 Sharmuta  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 1:54:54am

re: #187 Crux Australis

So Sarah Palin has no future then? Sad news.

No- she has a future in Alaska, but that's it. Unless she were to run for Congress, Senate or be brought on in a Cabinet position. We will not see a woman President for decades.

199 littleoldlady  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 1:55:28am

re: #195 redc1c4

Bwahaha!

200 Fenway_Nation  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 1:55:29am

re: #178 littleoldlady

No-MAH Garciaparra a Philadelphia Philly?

201 redc1c4  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 1:55:41am

re: #187 Crux Australis

So Sarah Palin has no future then? Sad news.

she's got bigger balls than most men i meet.

202 littleoldlady  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 1:56:27am

re: #200 Fenway_Nation

Fenway! :-)

Oh. Did we buy something? ;-)

203 x-wing  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 1:57:25am

re: #167 littleoldlady

Meh.

What Hillary (and some of the rest of us) learned all too well from the last election is that a politician doesn't need any ch'taten experience. To be President all you need is a penis and two balls.

MISOGYNY IS ALIVE AND WELL IN AMERICA.

You mean "wedding tackle" is all it takes? Sign me up for 2012 ;>}

Morning LoL. I kept red awake till you showed up ;>}

204 redc1c4  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 1:57:31am

re: #200 Fenway_Nation

No-MAH Garciaparra a Philadelphia Philly?

well, i can't see the parking lot attendant ever spending money to make the Dodgers competitive...

205 redc1c4  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 1:59:54am

hfruitcup!

206 littleoldlady  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 2:00:03am

Good morning, afternoon, evening *everyone*!™

Fruitcup is on the buffet --->
Help yourselves!

207 redc1c4  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 2:00:53am

hfirst hfruitcup!

208 blackpajamas  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 2:00:55am

It's raining in San Jose. On the first day of the Age of Obama, he has strong-armed Al Gore into lifting the global warming curse, for his celebratory first day, and has dripped hope upon our parched state of affairs.

209 Fenway_Nation  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 2:01:41am

re: #198 Sharmuta


That's a major buzzkill right there. The only conservative on the 2008 presidential/VP ticket...

/Any word on how the investigation into the arson attack against her church is proceeding?

210 x-wing  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 2:02:03am

re: #180 little blessing

(emerges, sniffs, "whew, this place still reeks of Obamas", adjusts gas mask and enters)

Hi everybody. How are we all?


Hey there, how are you this morning? Just in time for fruitcup.

We need a tester, how are you feeling today ;>}

211 Crux Australis  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 2:02:10am

re: #198 Sharmuta

No- she has a future in Alaska, but that's it. Unless she were to run for Congress, Senate or be brought on in a Cabinet position. We will not see a woman President for decades.

So when her two terms are up in 2014 she never be seen again, ever.

Depressing news.

212 redc1c4  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 2:02:20am

BTW: there's a nice little text box that pop's up if you forget the "h" at the beginning of "hfirst!"

213 Sharmuta  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 2:02:20am

re: #206 littleoldlady

Thanks, littleoldlady.

I must say I find it interesting that the truth concerning misogyny in America seems to be taken better from your mouth than mine. That's fine, but it also means we need you to repeat that truth.

214 BlueCanuck  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 2:04:01am

re: #206 littleoldlady

Thanks for the fruitcup. *sigh* Unfortunately it seems to be the high point of my day.

215 BatGuano  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 2:04:06am

re: #208 blackpajamas

California? If so, we have much in common.

216 redc1c4  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 2:04:10am

re: #211 Crux Australis

So when her two terms are up in 2014 she never be seen again, ever.

Depressing news.

i think you'll definitely see "Senator Palin"... and after that i believe she can and will run and win.

217 Sharmuta  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 2:04:46am

re: #211 Crux Australis

Look- I tried to say this the other night but I guess the truth pisses people off.

218 little blessing  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 2:05:21am

re: #210 x-wing

Just fine. Thanks for asking! Since your volunteered me for the testing of Red's fruitcup, I volunteered you for the testing of Littleoldlady's new whip!

; )

219 redc1c4  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 2:05:39am

re: #215 BatGuano

California? If so, we have much in common.

it was sprinkling here in the SFV when i looked outside awhile ago.

i'm gonna check again right now, on my way to bed.

hasta, yall...

L8r!

(take 2)

220 littleoldlady  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 2:05:56am

re: #213 Sharmuta

Just let me at 'em.

/grrr!

221 x-wing  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 2:06:11am

re: #207 redc1c4

hfirst hfruitcup!

What will we alter it with today red? It's yer turn ;>}

222 Fenway_Nation  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 2:06:15am

re: #202 littleoldlady

The Phillies are reportedly in talks with Nomar Garciaparra for a 1-year deal. Oddly enough, I'm not sure what position they're gonna try and slot him into.

re: #204 redc1c4

You're about ten years too late if you want a competitive team with Nomar Garciaparra on the roster. It's possible that Manny might be a Dodger-by-default since they're the only club that's still expressed an interest in him at this juncture.

223 gmsc  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 2:06:15am

Here's a fun LGF riddle:

Question: What do last night's open thread and tonight's open thread have in common?

Answer: In both threads, littleoldlady neither refers to me nor acknowledges me.

224 littleoldlady  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 2:06:36am

re: #214 BlueCanuck

Oy.

/mine, too. :-(

225 gmsc  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 2:06:48am

re: #223 gmsc

Here's a fun LGF riddle:

Question: What do last night's open thread and tonight's open thread have in common?

Answer: In both threads, littleoldlady neither refers to me nor acknowledges me.

Good night. It's getting late.

226 littleoldlady  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 2:07:10am

re: #218 little blessing

Oh OH! +ding+ for that! ;-)

227 x-wing  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 2:07:36am

re: #208 blackpajamas

It's raining in San Jose. On the first day of the Age of Obama, he has strong-armed Al Gore into lifting the global warming curse, for his celebratory first day, and has dripped hope upon our parched state of affairs.


You're lucky he didn't stiff arm him., or you'd be a-hole deep in snow ;>}

228 littleoldlady  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 2:08:17am

{gmsc}!

/mea culpa! :-(
//I may be standing up but that doesn't mean I can see over the the tall people's heads!

229 BlueCanuck  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 2:08:20am

re: #224 littleoldlady

I blame the season. Not seeing too much daylight in the day kinda aggravates things too. :p

230 Sharmuta  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 2:08:29am

re: #220 littleoldlady

Just let me at 'em.

/grrr!

And I'll be right next to you.

231 x-wing  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 2:09:39am

re: #218 little blessing

Just fine. Thanks for asking! Since your volunteered me for the testing of Red's fruitcup, I volunteered you for the testing of Littleoldlady's new whip!

; )


Yes! thank you... I think ;>}

232 little blessing  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 2:10:26am

re: #231 x-wing

Oh, and I forgot to mention, if she gets tired, I'll take over!

233 x-wing  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 2:11:23am

re: #219 redc1c4


Later red.

234 TheMatrix31  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 2:11:26am

I was just on a two hour phone conversation with a guy.

...not that there's anything WRONG with that.

235 blackpajamas  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 2:12:17am

re: #215 BatGuano

California? If so, we have much in common.

California (not Costa Rica), the land of the liberal. Home of the algebra-proof high school graduate.

236 x-wing  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 2:13:47am

re: #226 littleoldlady

Oh OH! +ding+ for that! ;-)


Please be as gentle as you want to be...or not ;>}

/

237 Erik The Red  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 2:16:12am

re: #206 littleoldlady

Good morning, afternoon, evening *everyone*!™

Fruitcup is on the buffet --->
Help yourselves!

Thanks lol.

238 Pietr  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 2:16:14am

re: #229 BlueCanuck

I blame the season. Not seeing too much daylight in the day kinda aggravates things too. :p

You must not have read Littleoldlady's daytime posts...she stressed out over the sun...LOL (in both meanings, for this boarf-one a cheer, and one a laugh)...:>))

239 little blessing  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 2:16:44am

X-wing, can you explain your icon to me?

240 BatGuano  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 2:17:05am

re: #216 redc1c4

From your keyboard to God's ear...

241 Crux Australis  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 2:17:20am

It's Australia Day next Monday (26th January) and I don't think I have seen as many Australian Flags and Boxing Kangaroos and pictures of the Australian landscape etc. in years.

I'm glad Aussie patriotism isn't dead despite the "un-Australian" attitudes of the left.

242 x-wing  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 2:17:38am

re: #232 little blessing

Oh, and I forgot to mention, if she gets tired, I'll take over!


LOL, where did red go?

Red ...oh Red.. could use some help buddy... ;>}

243 little blessing  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 2:17:53am

re: #241 Crux Australis

Where in Australia are you?

244 rustler  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 2:18:04am

Ok every beware I was told by a "lawyer" online that mentioning the amount Obama spent on the Inauguration party is Slander. I then asked if he understood what Slander meant.

245 BlueCanuck  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 2:18:13am

re: #238 Pietr

Night shift person here. Only see the sun when I go home for about an hour maybe. Hopen that things change soon.

246 littleoldlady  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 2:19:37am

Erik! :-)

247 BlueCanuck  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 2:19:47am

re: #244 rustler

So mentinoning facts is slander? Must have missed that in civics class.

/

248 Pietr  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 2:19:50am

re: #244 rustler

Ok every beware I was told by a "lawyer" online that mentioning the amount Obama spent on the Inauguration party is Slander. I then asked if he understood what Slander meant.

Guess he wasn't a REAL lawyer, Hmmm...G'Morning Rustler.

249 littleoldlady  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 2:21:27am

re: #238 Pietr

True, I did. But in reality I'm with BlueCanuck. I not only DESPISE the cold I also hate the DARK this time of year.

/one more time, and with feeling...I shoulda stayed in Florida! :-/

250 rustler  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 2:23:04am

re: #247 BlueCanuck
Yeah I went ahead and said that after I asked him if he knew the definition of slander and was promptly accused of trying to start fights and being unpatriotic.

Why can't we just have a change in power here without slandering the poor democratic new president first Clinton now Obama.
251 rustler  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 2:23:59am

re: #248 Pietr Morning
Me pointing that out was slander too. I was effecting his ability to get work by claiming he didn't know legal terminology.

252 little blessing  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 2:24:15am

re: #250 rustler

Yeah I went ahead and said that after I asked him if he knew the definition of slander and was promptly accused of trying to start fights and being unpatriotic.

OH PLEASE!

253 TheMatrix31  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 2:24:18am

re: #250 rustler

Yeah I went ahead and said that after I asked him if he knew the definition of slander and was promptly accused of trying to start fights and being unpatriotic.

Slander? Uhh...ummm...uhh

Well, that's my Barack impression, anyway.

254 rustler  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 2:24:48am

But it did well to kill the Inauguration talk. Half the chat room started laughing at and poking fun at the lawyer.

255 Crux Australis  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 2:26:07am

re: #243 little blessing

Where in Australia are you?

On the semi-rural fringe of Sydney about 50 kilometres (30 miles) (west) from the downtown and the Sydney Harbour Bridge.

256 rustler  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 2:26:08am

It's pretty fun tomorrow morning when I get back on the game, I plan on starting another row just to see how involved the moonbats get.

257 Pietr  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 2:26:59am

re: #251 rustler

Morning
Me pointing that out was slander too. I was effecting his ability to get work by claiming he didn't know legal terminology.

Gee-his not knowing his supposed job isn't a detriment? But your pointing out same, is? Too effing hilarious...did he really think (in his little adolescent mind) that he had you fooled, do ya' think? LOL

258 rustler  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 2:27:47am

re: #255 Crux Australis
Was watching a show on Discover other day Australia's deadly Dozen like 8 or 9 of the 12 live in and near Sydney.

259 srb1976  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 2:28:07am

I hate Ticketmaster! All I'm trying to do is get football tickets... been waiting 20 minutes now, just long enough for all the good seats to be gone apparently.

260 rustler  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 2:28:41am

re: #257 Pietr
No clue what he thought but like I said it killed all Inauguration talk as everyone just went to talking trash about him.

261 Fenway_Nation  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 2:29:41am

re: #248 Pietr

Guess he wasn't a REAL lawyer, Hmmm...G'Morning Rustler.


Did he play one on TV?

262 blackpajamas  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 2:30:30am

Slander -- defamation by oral utterance rather than by writing, pictures, etc.

E.g., When Monica bad mouthed Bill, he nobly endured the torrid slander.

263 x-wing  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 2:33:10am

re: #239 little blessing

X-wing, can you explain your icon to me?

Sure. It was the first unit I was asigned to after basic training. The Second Armor Division. It is the only unit patch worn on the chest, instead of the sleeve in the military .
Because General Patton held our division so close to his heart in WWII..

When I heard that story in in-processing I felt my chest grow bigger. There was never a better battle field commander than Patton.

264 rustler  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 2:33:29am

re: #262 blackpajamas So Monica tho having an Oral fixation is unskilled? Do you speak from experience or did you get the Video?

265 Crux Australis  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 2:33:58am

re: #258 rustler

Was watching a show on Discover other day Australia's deadly Dozen like 8 or 9 of the 12 live in and near Sydney.

Yes, It's not in the outback or tropical Australia where you'll be likely to find these nasties. It's on the urban/rural fringe surprisingly. I always wear foot coverings whenever I go out into my back yard. As a precaution.

266 rustler  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 2:35:00am

re: #263 x-wing
Better than the 1st cav patch. Yellow for the color of their bellies, the road they never crossed and the horse never ridden, all rampant on the patch.

267 little blessing  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 2:36:45am

re: #263 x-wing

Thanks for that and Thanks for your service. I salute you.

268 rustler  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 2:39:00am

Does O'reilly get off on hearing Bush bashed? He just loves playing and replaying Bush bashing and giving it more Airtime.

269 blackpajamas  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 2:39:06am

re: #264 rustler

So Monica tho having an Oral fixation is unskilled? Do you speak from experience or did you get the Video?

If Monica's special talents allow her to be defined as skilled laborer, then she can Unionize here in California, and be eligible for Barak's stimulus package.

270 x-wing  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 2:40:06am

re: #267 little blessing

Thanks for that and Thanks for your service. I salute you.

You don't have to thank me.. just don't take the whip from LoL..

seriously, she swings like a girl ;>}

/white smoke

271 Fenway_Nation  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 2:40:18am

re: #263 x-wing

re: #266 rustler

I had a Taro leaf and Audie Murphy's broken TV set...

272 rustler  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 2:40:44am

re: #269 blackpajamas
So she will have another President's package in her possesion?

273 rustler  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 2:42:11am

re: #271 Fenway_Nation
I had the Scroll, the Alcoholic Anonymous, and Scwacking Chicken.

274 little blessing  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 2:42:23am

re: #255 Crux Australis

In Melbourne myself.

275 littleoldlady  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 2:42:40am

re: #270 x-wing

That's what YOU think!

/packs a mean punch...

Just ask talloldman.

;-)

276 blackpajamas  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 2:43:24am

re: #272 rustler

So she will have another President's package in her possesion?

Some people were just bourne to be couriers -- touching more packages than UPS.

277 x-wing  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 2:45:23am

re: #266 rustler

Better than the 1st cav patch. Yellow for the color of their bellies, the road they never crossed and the horse never ridden, all rampant on the patch.

So true, but I must admit that the unit I was assigned to was 2/1 Cav. But we were in 2AD so we were immune from that ;>}

278 rustler  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 2:46:39am

Bill Ayers was denied entry to Canada recently. From Huffpo just for fun.

279 rustler  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 2:48:03am

re: #278 rustler
Is it bad when even Canada doesn't want our Socialist leavings?

280 Sharmuta  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 2:48:18am

re: #268 rustler

Does O'reilly get off on hearing Bush bashed? He just loves playing and replaying Bush bashing and giving it more Airtime.

fox news is a moby news network.

281 Pietr  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 2:48:57am

Well, Lizardnation-I'm seeking the warm sand beds...see you downthreads ...Morning again, and Good Night...:>))

282 blackpajamas  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 2:49:33am

re: #278 rustler

Bill Ayers was denied entry to Canada recently. From Huffpo just for fun.

They've already got enough terrorists up there -- the Canadian Human Rights Council alone exceeded their quota for the next decade.

283 x-wing  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 2:50:22am

re: #271 Fenway_Nation

re: #266 rustler

I had a Taro leaf and Audie Murphy's broken TV set...

Did Audi know about this? ;>}

I just watched 'To Hell and Back " the other night and it is second only to Patton.

I may have to slide that VCR tape in before bed today.

284 Rustler  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 2:51:55am

re: #283 x-wing Yeah he broke the TV on Election night like a number of us.

285 TheMatrix31  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 2:51:56am

re: #280 Sharmuta

fox news is a moby news network.

There's been a ton of Fox News slobber-ation especially over the last couple of days. Not unrelated, TiVo'ed sitcoms have been my friend over the last couple of days too.

286 Rustler  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 2:54:43am

BBIAB running receipts out and doing security checks.

A bit of Good news Casey Anthony hasn't learned to shut up in. But People are still accusing the media of pretrying her.

287 x-wing  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 2:54:52am

re: #275 littleoldlady

That's what YOU think!

/packs a mean punch...

Just ask talloldman.

;-)


ROTF.. I'd ask him.. but it seems he's pretty well... whipped ;>}

288 x-wing  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 3:00:04am

re: #280 Sharmuta

fox news is a moby news network.

I'd love to give you a handful more up-dings but can't.

I refuse to turn on any t.v. news. It's a barfo-rama. Even the New York Post joined in.

O.K. Barack is black, well 1/2. But geez can we give it a break.

289 littleoldlady  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 3:00:39am

re: #287 x-wing

He's just pinin' for the Fjords sleeping!

;-)

290 BlueCanuck  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 3:01:30am

re: #283 x-wing

Talking about military traditions. My reserver unit was the only unit in Canada that wore our cap badge touching the brim of the beret we wore. The reason for this was we were one of the few units that served in WW2, but weren't in large enough proportions to recieve a single battle honour.

291 TheMatrix31  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 3:03:30am

re: #288 x-wing

I'd love to give you a handful more up-dings but can't.

I refuse to turn on any t.v. news. It's a barfo-rama. Even the New York Post joined in.

O.K. Barack is black, well 1/2. But geez can we give it a break.

What I dont get is, how do the people who keep pushing race expect to get racism behind us as a nation? It's so ridiculously annoying. Yes, it's a historical inauguration, but only because EVERY Presidential inauguration is historic.

Everything else is so irrelevant, it doesn't even deserve words.

292 little blessing  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 3:03:39am

BREAKING NEWS:

Venus Williams (#6) favourite to win the Australian Open has just been defeated by Carla Suarez Navarro (# 46).

An amazing match.

293 Fenway_Nation  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 3:04:38am

re: #290 BlueCanuck

I had no idea that James Doohan (Star Trek's Scotty) was a vet who went ashore on D-Day and got hit in the chest and one of his fingers shot off by a German machine gun until I read his obituary...

294 funky chicken  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 3:07:57am

re: #286 Rustler

BBIAB running receipts out and doing security checks.

A bit of Good news Casey Anthony hasn't learned to shut up in. But People are still accusing the media of pretrying her.

OY I don't even watch TV and I know about her. What a turd.

295 blackpajamas  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 3:08:01am

Responsibly Leave -- the new surrender:

"We will begin to responsibly leave Iraq to its people, and forge a hard-earned peace in Afghanistan." --BHO

Even the phrase, "leave Iraq to its people" is weasle-word working.

E.g., "its people" could be anyone: Sadr militia, Iranian proxies, etc. Why could he not have been more specific, such as, "leave Iraq to it's peace-loving non-jihadist, non-Islamic Republic, democratically elected folks".

296 TheMatrix31  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 3:08:20am

re: #292 little blessing

BREAKING NEWS:

Venus Williams (#6) favourite to win the Australian Open has just been defeated by Carla Suarez Navarro (# 46).

An amazing match.

I have a crush on Ana Ivanovic myself, and she's a damn good tennis player too.

297 rightside  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 3:09:04am
298 BlueCanuck  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 3:09:35am

re: #293 Fenway_Nation

I actually didn't know that myself. And me being a Star Trek geek. :O

/guess I have to hand in my life time membership card now in shame.

299 x-wing  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 3:12:29am

re: #289 littleoldlady

He's just pinin' for the Fjords sleeping!

;-)

LOL, red did something to the fruitcup before he left(or maybe not) The keyboard is getting hard to navigate.

You got any eateries out there that serve a good hog maw with cold lettuce,and a real good schnitts and knepp?

since my Grandma died years ago, I cant find a place that even serves it.

300 Sharmuta  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 3:13:18am

re: #288 x-wing

They pissed me off years ago, so I stopped watching them regularly, and only turned them on for breaking news. Now I don't have cable, and frankly, I don't miss it.

301 little blessing  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 3:13:29am

re: #296 TheMatrix31

I don't blame you!

302 BlueCanuck  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 3:14:09am

re: #300 Sharmuta

I miss cable myself. Personaly I think I need to adust my sights a bit.

303 Sharmuta  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 3:15:47am

re: #302 BlueCanuck

Hi, {Blue}. I rarely miss having it. I can't justify spending that amount of money a month on a product I'm not using, you know?

304 littleoldlady  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 3:16:13am

re: #299 x-wing

GOOD GRIEF! This is Philadelphia!

/Italian rulz.
//If the Irish could cook, they'd rule too. ;-)

I hear there's a good "German Club" in the Northeast - Bustleton/Haldeman Aves (?). There's always Lancaster.

305 goddessoftheclassroom  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 3:17:07am

Good morning, Lizards.

I am VERY worried about the headline on Fox:
Obama to Close Guantanamo and Foreign Prisons, Limit CIA Methods

Terrorism is acts of war, not crimes.

306 BlueCanuck  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 3:18:16am

re: #303 Sharmuta

Exact same reasoning I use. Used to only watch ten channels. All on the upper tiers of the packages. So for about 5-6 dollars a channel, not worth it.

307 rightside  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 3:18:21am

{goddess}

308 BlueCanuck  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 3:18:57am

Good morning {goddess}, welcome to the new era of Hope and Change™

309 Rustler  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 3:19:01am

re: #305 goddessoftheclassroom Oh and you just gotta love playing by a set of rules like the Gen. Con. when the other team just uses the rule set for Ideas of which to break next.

310 x-wing  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 3:19:39am

re: #290 BlueCanuck

Talking about military traditions. My reserver unit was the only unit in Canada that wore our cap badge touching the brim of the beret we wore. The reason for this was we were one of the few units that served in WW2, but weren't in large enough proportions to recieve a single battle honour.


What unit was that?

It's sad that your Gov. didn't give you more honor than that. You guys(no matter how much us Yanks, yank your chain) have always fought the good fight.

Between you, us the Brits and Aussies, very few countries today want to fight anymore.

311 MandyManners  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 3:19:43am

re: #305 goddessoftheclassroom

Good morning, Lizards.

I am VERY worried about the headline on Fox:
Obama to Close Guantanamo and Foreign Prisons, Limit CIA Methods

Terrorism is acts of war, not crimes.

I guarantee you that if Al Gore had been president when 9-11 happened, it would have been treated as a crime.

312 Erik The Red  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 3:21:00am

re: #297 rightside

Priceless.

That sums up what many people are expecting from him. I kinda feel sorry for/Not

313 abolitionist  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 3:21:03am

Another killing:
Va. Tech student stabbed to death in campus dorm

Suspect is in custody

The Associated Press
10:42 PM EST, January 21, 2009

BLACKSBURG. - A female student was stabbed to death Wednesday night on Virginia Tech's campus, triggering a crisis alert system that was revamped after a deadly mass shooting there in 2007.
[snip]

314 blackpajamas  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 3:21:45am

re: #305 goddessoftheclassroom

Good morning, Lizards.

I am VERY worried about the headline on Fox:
Obama to Close Guantanamo and Foreign Prisons, Limit CIA Methods

Terrorism is acts of war, not crimes.

That's just echoing BHO, and his inaugural parable to us that we should "reaffirm" and "chooise our better spirit",

And "to carry forward that precious gift,that noble idea, passed on from generation to generation: the God-given promise that all are equal, all are free and all deserve a chance to pursue their full measure of happiness."

315 Erik The Red  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 3:22:10am

re: #305 goddessoftheclassroom

{Morning gotc}

316 Jim in Virginia  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 3:23:01am

re: #293 Fenway_Nation

I had no idea that James Doohan (Star Trek's Scotty) was a vet who went ashore on D-Day and got hit in the chest and one of his fingers shot off by a German machine gun until I read his obituary...

Scotty died?
Sad.
Beam me up.

317 little blessing  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 3:23:27am

I'm going to turn in.

Have a g'day lizards.

318 akak  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 3:24:22am

re: #292 little blessing

BREAKING NEWS:

Venus Williams (#6) favourite to win the Australian Open has just been defeated by Carla Suarez Navarro (# 46).

An amazing match.

Serena vs Dulko/Duklo? was pretty good too

319 BlueCanuck  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 3:25:03am

re: #310 x-wing

The Grey and Simcoe Foresters. Well it was nothing to do with the government actually. It's the time honoured tradition of how battle honours are awarded. There has to be an actual group of soldiers IDENTIFIED as their unit in a battle in order to recieve honours. The history on wiki states, and as I learned it at the time, our unit was broken up for replacements to other units in all areas of combat operations. So we can actually say our unit fought in evey armoured action in WW2. :)

320 Rustler  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 3:25:03am

re: #311 MandyManners Nah a tragic accident caused by globull warming having negative effects on the existing laws of physics.

321 TheMatrix31  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 3:25:04am

re: #305 goddessoftheclassroom

Good morning, Lizards.

I am VERY worried about the headline on Fox:
Obama to Close Guantanamo and Foreign Prisons, Limit CIA Methods

Terrorism is acts of war, not crimes.

Good morning! That headline is filthy.

I mean jeez, it's only his FIRST day!

Maybe we should keep a running tab, a simple list, of all the stuff he does day by day.

322 goddessoftheclassroom  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 3:26:21am

re: #317 little blessing

I'm going to turn in.

Have a g'day lizards.

Good night!
{little blessing}

{rightwide}
{BlueCanuck}
{Erik the Red}
{Rustler}
{MandyManners}
{blackpajamas }

323 x-wing  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 3:26:40am

re: #300 Sharmuta

They pissed me off years ago, so I stopped watching them regularly, and only turned them on for breaking news. Now I don't have cable, and frankly, I don't miss it.

The only reason I keep cable is for the Military Channel and my computer hook-up.

Once I get a cheaper and just as fast service to LGF, I'm outta the cable business.

324 BlueCanuck  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 3:26:41am

re: #316 Jim in Virginia

I think he died several years ago. Complications of old age and alzheimers I think. Real shame. He was co-authouring a science fiction series that seemed like it could go some where.

325 Sharmuta  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 3:26:49am

re: #305 goddessoftheclassroom

Good morning, Lizards.

I am VERY worried about the headline on Fox:
Obama to Close Guantanamo and Foreign Prisons, Limit CIA Methods

Terrorism is acts of war, not crimes.

Good morning, {goddess}. We are returning to the era of clinton, where WTC bombers are indicted and this makes America safe.

326 blackpajamas  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 3:27:47am

OK folks, I'm going to Responsibly Leave this thread, and exercise my chance to pursue the full measure of happy sleep -- and dream about all the wonderful new neighbors we'll have in our cities, once Gitmo is drained of it's finest inhabitants.

/g'nite!

327 Sharmuta  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 3:28:37am

re: #321 TheMatrix31

BTW- I'm glad Charles let you back in, but you be more careful, okay?

328 goddessoftheclassroom  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 3:29:24am

re: #325 Sharmuta
{Sharmuta}

I fear that the blood of innocents will be on his hands.

329 littleoldlady  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 3:30:10am

'Night, little blessing! :-)

'Morning, goddess! :-)

{MyRove!}! :-)

OY. ;-)

330 TheMatrix31  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 3:30:26am

re: #327 Sharmuta

BTW- I'm glad Charles let you back in, but you be more careful, okay?

Definitely. I guess I was just so shocked that anyone would joke about something like that, that it ended up just never crossing my mind. Never even thought TWICE about it until it started to be pointed out by other users.

331 MandyManners  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 3:31:17am

re: #320 Rustler

Nah a tragic accident caused by globull warming having negative effects on the existing laws of physics.

Gaia got angwy!

332 Rustler  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 3:32:06am

re: #313 abolitionist //I was waiting to read in hte story that it was ok because she voted for McCain.

333 MandyManners  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 3:32:18am

Burn Notice's new season starts tonight!

334 Sharmuta  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 3:32:52am

re: #330 TheMatrix31

Don't do it again!

335 x-wing  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 3:33:37am

re: #304 littleoldlady

GOOD GRIEF! This is Philadelphia!

/Italian rulz.
//If the Irish could cook, they'd rule too. ;-)

I hear there's a good "German Club" in the Northeast - Bustleton/Haldeman Aves (?). There's always Lancaster.

I thought I picked up a certain Pa. Dutch accent in your typing. Thanks for the addy. And I know, I live about 45 mins. from Lancaster, but haven't found a good Dutch restaurant there.

/maybe I neeed to get out more ;>}

336 goddessoftheclassroom  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 3:34:56am

re: #329 littleoldlady

'Night, little blessing! :-)

'Morning, goddess! :-)

{MyRove!}! :-)

OY. ;-)

{littleoldlady}!

337 Sharmuta  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 3:35:20am

re: #328 goddessoftheclassroom

{Sharmuta}

I fear that the blood of innocents will be on his hands.

And Biden promised us a crisis in 6 months. I wish I could say something to make you feel better, but I'm not going to lie to you, so...

338 MandyManners  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 3:36:47am

Fox is roasting CBBHO and Murtha over Gitmo. "They're no more dangerous in a prison in my district than they are in Guantanomo." The only prisons in his district are medium-security prisons.

339 abolitionist  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 3:37:30am

re: #313 abolitionist

Another killing:
Va. Tech student stabbed to death in campus dorm

That headline may be innacurate, about the dorm:

Student stabbed to death at Va. Tech

BLACKSBURG -- A female resident of Virginia Tech's Graduate Life Center was stabbed to death Wednesday in the center's Au Bon Pain coffee shop at 7:06 p.m. in an apparent domestic assault, authorities said.

The suspect, a male graduate student who lives off campus, was taken into custody in the coffee shop when police arrived at 7:10 p.m., Tech Police Chief Wendell Flinchum said.

Neither the victim nor the suspect was being identified Wednesday night pending notification of the victim's next of kin. Both are international students from Asia, Tech spokesman Larry Hincker said.

Police said the two had a relationship, but its nature was unclear.
[snip]

340 x-wing  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 3:37:57am

re: #319 BlueCanuck

The Grey and Simcoe Foresters. Well it was nothing to do with the government actually. It's the time honoured tradition of how battle honours are awarded. There has to be an actual group of soldiers IDENTIFIED as their unit in a battle in order to recieve honours. The history on wiki states, and as I learned it at the time, our unit was broken up for replacements to other units in all areas of combat operations. So we can actually say our unit fought in evey armoured action in WW2. :)

There you go. I'd take bragging rights over a medal or citation anyday.

Cheers to you!

341 Rustler  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 3:37:59am

CNN compares Obama Inauguration to a Hajj. So apparently being Messiah wasn't enough he now is also Mecca.

342 goddessoftheclassroom  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 3:38:27am

re: #338 MandyManners

Fox is roasting CBBHO and Murtha over Gitmo. "They're no more dangerous in a prison in my district than they are in Guantanomo." The only prisons in his district are medium-security prisons.

And I live in his district.

343 MandyManners  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 3:38:54am

re: #339 abolitionist

international students from Asia

Code word for Musim like it is in GB?

344 Sharmuta  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 3:39:02am

re: #338 MandyManners

Fox is roasting CBBHO and Murtha over Gitmo. "They're no more dangerous in a prison in my district than they are in Guantanomo." The only prisons in his district are medium-security prisons.

Fox is playing their little moby game trying to kiss up to us again.

345 Rustler  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 3:39:28am

re: #342 goddessoftheclassroom
Plus US prisons aren't made to hold war Criminals.

346 goddessoftheclassroom  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 3:39:30am

re: #344 Sharmuta

Fox is playing their little moby game trying to kiss up to us again.

At least someone is!

347 MandyManners  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 3:39:33am

re: #342 goddessoftheclassroom

And I live in his district.

Aw, nutz. You can let Fox know what you think at friends@foxnews.com.

348 Sharmuta  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 3:39:35am

re: #341 Rustler

CNN compares Obama Inauguration to a Hajj. So apparently being Messiah wasn't enough he now is also Mecca.

cnn's begging for a fatwa.

349 abolitionist  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 3:40:23am

re: #343 MandyManners

Code word for Musim like it is in GB?

Pakistan would be my guess.

350 Sharmuta  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 3:40:27am

re: #346 goddessoftheclassroom

I don't trust them- at the end of the day, they are still msm.

351 aussiemagpie  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 3:40:38am

re: #342 goddessoftheclassroom

G'day {goddessoftheclassroom}

Could you please blue your nic, as I'd like to add to your list :-)

Thanks1

352 MandyManners  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 3:40:53am

re: #344 Sharmuta

Fox is playing their little moby game trying to kiss up to us again.

It's the only game going and I think it can be exploited.

353 Rustler  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 3:40:58am

Funny picture of Obama at the top of this story about the Inaugural Hajj.

354 x-wing  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 3:41:06am

re: #330 TheMatrix31

Definitely. I guess I was just so shocked that anyone would joke about something like that, that it ended up just never crossing my mind. Never even thought TWICE about it until it started to be pointed out by other users.


Don't know what happened, but welcome back.

The beer is over there --->

355 goddessoftheclassroom  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 3:41:08am

re: #350 Sharmuta

I don't trust them- at the end of the day, they are still msm.

Oh, you're absolutely right, but it's a little balm to hear SOME questioning of our new president.

356 NYCHardhat  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 3:41:59am

Is this term over yet?

357 MandyManners  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 3:42:03am

re: #349 abolitionist

Pakistan would be my guess.

Or, could be Japan. I wonder when the names will be released.

358 goddessoftheclassroom  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 3:42:05am

re: #351 aussiemagpie

G'day {goddessoftheclassroom}

Could you please blue your nic, as I'd like to add to your list :-)

Thanks1

{aussiemagpie}

Of course! It's OUR list! :)

359 littleoldlady  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 3:42:07am

re: #335 x-wing

Eastern European.

/PodkarpatskaRus, in fact.

360 aussiemagpie  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 3:43:26am

re: #358 goddessoftheclassroom

{aussiemagpie}

Of course! It's OUR list! :)

LOL! Yes, of course! And thanks again

361 MandyManners  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 3:43:45am

re: #353 Rustler

Funny picture of Obama at the top of this story about the Inaugural Hajj.

At the top of the page: “Every room I have ever been in with you was a much easier room for your presence” - Bono anoints Obama.

Did Bono really say that?

362 x-wing  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 3:43:45am

re: #333 MandyManners

Burn Notice's new season starts tonight!


Let me guess. You got the hots for that stud in the dark glasses? ;>}

Good story line to.

363 TheMatrix31  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 3:44:38am

re: #354 x-wing

Don't know what happened, but welcome back.

The beer is over there --->

Thanks! Basically, I relayed a joke I heard elsewhere without even realizing the main way it could be interpreted. Was banned for like, 10 minutes.

364 MandyManners  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 3:44:54am

re: #355 goddessoftheclassroom

Oh, you're absolutely right, but it's a little balm to hear SOME questioning of our new president.

They weren't just questioning. They were berating him not just about Gitmo but also about the CIA interrogation centers. Brian was close to shouting.

365 MandyManners  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 3:45:26am

re: #364 MandyManners

They weren't just questioning. They were berating him not just about Gitmo but also about the CIA interrogation centers. Brian was close to shouting.

Is Brian the name of the brunette who sits on Gretchen's left?

366 MandyManners  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 3:45:57am

re: #362 x-wing

Let me guess. You got the hots for that stud in the dark glasses? ;>}

Good story line to.

Jeffrey Donovan is a hottie!

367 Fenway_Nation  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 3:46:28am

re: #298 BlueCanuck

And a Canuck, as well...I think he went ashore on Juno beachead.

368 NYCHardhat  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 3:46:32am
369 MandyManners  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 3:47:56am

J. Crew is not allowing the public to buy WAB's green gloves and their daughters' clothing? Wow. Talk about elitism. I think I'll stay with Land's End.

370 goddessoftheclassroom  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 3:48:05am

re: #368 NYCHardhat

Who says racism is gone?

What's the racism angle?

371 abolitionist  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 3:48:28am

re: #357 MandyManners

Or, could be Japan. I wonder when the names will be released.

Ok, probably not Pakistani:
Va. Tech stabbing suspect charged with murder

The woman, who was also a graduate student but was not identified, was stabbed to death at a cafe in the Graduate Life Center. Police believe she knew the man accused of attacking her, 25-year-old Haiyang Zhu, the school said in a news release. He was charged with first-degree murder and was being held without bond.
372 nevergiveup  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 3:49:16am

re: #370 goddessoftheclassroom

What's the racism angle?

I think I remember they were a mixed couple?

373 NYCHardhat  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 3:49:36am

re: #370 goddessoftheclassroom

What's the racism angle?

4 black marines kill a white marine and his black wife.

Now reverse that and tell me the media report would be hyping a hate crime.

374 BlueCanuck  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 3:49:47am

re: #367 Fenway_Nation

Hmmm, I think you are lagging. ;) Yes I knew he was a Canadian, just like William Shatner. I think there were a few others on the t.v. show. At least a couple in the movies.

375 Rustler  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 3:49:59am

re: #361 MandyManners Looks like it may be true heh.

376 nevergiveup  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 3:51:27am

So is Caroline Kennedy in or out? What is the latest?

377 x-wing  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 3:52:26am

re: #342 goddessoftheclassroom

And I live in his district.


{goddess}

I see as a teacher,you have your work cut out for you. If the parents are stupid enough to keep electing this piece of shit (pardon my language) their kids must be a real treat.
I don't envy you in the least. You are a(n) heroine in my book.

/why did you have to be an English teacher ;>}

378 abolitionist  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 3:52:56am

"BLACKSBURG, Va. -- A graduate student from China has been charged with murder in the fatal stabbing of a female student on Virginia Tech's campus,"
[Link: www.thestate.com...]

379 BlueCanuck  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 3:55:59am

re: #378 abolitionist

Some how that doesn't surprise me. The horror stories I have heard from my brother would curl your hair. China is another ticking time bomb that most people aren't aware of. The younger population is mostly male, and with the one child law going on, most parents try to "select" for males.

380 nevergiveup  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 3:57:00am

President Obama's first call 'was to President Abbas'

[Link: www.timesonline.co.uk...]

Well I guess they better warm up the "Yasser Arafat Memorial Sheets" in the Lincoln Bedroom?

381 Rustler  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 3:57:04am

re: #376 nevergiveup Out as of last word.

382 MandyManners  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 3:57:37am

Rush on Hannity about the MFM last night. Maybe I shoulda' watched. Brent Bozell is on now! I like that guy. CBBHO's innauguration got 35 times the coverage that Pres. Bush's got. Sammons (?) of Fox caught NYT and WaPo in a lie that Bush left office with the lowest ratings in history--no, Truman and Nixon had lower ratings, and JFK's ratings were in a free-fall when he was killed.

Next they're going after Geithner.

383 MandyManners  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 3:57:57am

re: #376 nevergiveup

So is Caroline Kennedy in or out? What is the latest?

Out.

384 goddessoftheclassroom  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 3:57:58am

re: #373 NYCHardhat

4 black marines kill a white marine and his black wife.

Now reverse that and tell me the media report would be hyping a hate crime.

Ah. I did not know the races of the people involved. I see your point.

385 x-wing  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 3:58:16am

re: #363 TheMatrix31

Thanks! Basically, I relayed a joke I heard elsewhere without even realizing the main way it could be interpreted. Was banned for like, 10 minutes.

Yes, I thought I was about to get it once . Luckily I only got the hairy eye-ball.

/I don't just throw anything out there anymore ;>}

386 MandyManners  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 3:58:33am

re: #378 abolitionist

"BLACKSBURG, Va. -- A graduate student from China has been charged with murder in the fatal stabbing of a female student on Virginia Tech's campus,"
[Link: www.thestate.com...]

Just to be a twit, the Uighurs are Chines.

387 Rustler  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 3:58:54am

re: #382 MandyManners
Part 2 of rush on Hannity plays today or tonight if you want to catch that I tryed to watch the Rush portion last night here on the late night replay but had a checkin as the rush interview started.

388 Nightwatch  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 3:59:29am

I like that,

Fools that we must bear...

Question is, for how long?

389 NYCHardhat  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 3:59:44am

re: #388 Nightwatch

I like that,

Fools that we must bear...

Question is, for how long?

4 years

390 x-wing  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 3:59:46am

re: #376 nevergiveup

So is Caroline Kennedy in or out? What is the latest?


According to Drudge...OUT

[Link: www.nypost.com...]

391 MandyManners  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 4:00:23am

re: #380 nevergiveup

President Obama's first call 'was to President Abbas'

[Link: www.timesonline.co.uk...]

Well I guess they better warm up the "Yasser Arafat Memorial Sheets" in the Lincoln Bedroom?

When I talked to my mom (yellow-dog Democrat) last night and told her about the interrogation centers and this phone call, she uttered a rare cuss word. She said he's gonna' get many killed.

392 goddessoftheclassroom  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 4:01:05am

re: #377 x-wing

{goddess}

I see as a teacher,you have your work cut out for you. If the parents are stupid enough to keep electing this piece of shit (pardon my language) their kids must be a real treat.
I don't envy you in the least. You are a(n) heroine in my book.

/why did you have to be an English teacher ;>}

You are so dear!

I TRIED to vote Murtha out of office..

393 songbird  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 4:01:20am

re: #312 Erik The Red

That sums up what many people are expecting from him. I kinda feel sorry for/Not

I think many people are going to be terribly disappointed in their new President. I just hope (there's that word again!) there will be no rioting.

394 MandyManners  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 4:01:37am

re: #387 Rustler

Part 2 of rush on Hannity plays today or tonight if you want to catch that I tryed to watch the Rush portion last night here on the late night replay but had a checkin as the rush interview started.

I'll try to remember to watch but, my first priority is Burn Notice.

395 goddessoftheclassroom  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 4:01:39am

Got to run--have a great day!

396 gregg  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 4:02:41am

Mark Steyn:

A terrifying headline in The Daily Mail:

Former French President Chirac Hospitalised After Mauling By His Clinically Depressed Poodle

Let's hope President Obama doesn't meet the same fate at the hands of Chris Matthews.

397 MandyManners  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 4:03:19am

re: #395 goddessoftheclassroom

Got to run--have a great day!

Stay warm!

398 BlueCanuck  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 4:03:32am

Bye goddess, take care of yourself.

399 songbird  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 4:04:54am

re: #392 goddessoftheclassroom

You are so dear!

I TRIED to vote Murtha out of office..

We deal with some of the same issues teaching kids in Southern New Mexico. Liberal parents, liberal kids.

400 Rustler  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 4:05:14am

re: #389 NYCHardhat
Unless we take the fools word on it, then it's 10 years.

401 3 wood  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 4:07:15am

Good Morning.

In market news the futures are mixed, with the Dow and S&P pointing down, the Nasdaq in positive territory.

The Nikkei gained 1.9% and the Hang Seng gained 0.59%

402 Rustler  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 4:08:03am

re: #399 songbird Some of the people down in southern New Mexico are so Liberal the make Obama look Conservative.

403 MandyManners  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 4:08:29am

I wonder if TurboTax is having a fit this morning about Geithner's blaiming it for his not paying taxes.

404 littleoldlady  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 4:10:24am

re: #403 MandyManners

I wonder if TurboTax is having a fit this morning about Geithner's blaiming it for his not paying taxes.

What kind of high-powered, high paid financial wizard uses Turbo-Tax?!

/I couldn't get it to work right either, but I at least I blamed myself instead of the software!
//sheesh!

405 MandyManners  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 4:10:27am

Holder's African-American?

406 Nightwatch  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 4:11:06am

re: #391 MandyManners

Thought I'd share, my son is so bored on 2'r # 4, they've formed their own "Master Weight Lifting" club. Don't know if the I.A comes in the F O B's to play or not. Sounds alot like there is not much happening in that neck of the sand-box. Not that the Lame Stream would report any of that.

407 MandyManners  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 4:12:17am

re: #404 littleoldlady

What kind of high-powered, high paid financial wizard uses Turbo-Tax?!

/I couldn't get it to work right either, but I at least I blamed myself instead of the software!
//sheesh!

I'm not buying that lame explanation, either. It doesn't make sense and, as Judge Judy says, things that don't make sense usually are lies.

408 Rustler  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 4:12:22am

Will Bush be blamed for the Chicken wing shortage?

409 Render  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 4:12:24am

Morning all...

A college aged friend of mine has been given the assignment of writing a paper about the anti-Iraq War documentary "No End in Sight."

I think we all know that movie is little more then a two hour CYA fest of douchbags that failed in their assigned jobs (Bremer, Garner, Armitage, Garlesco, etcetcetc...)

I'm not going to say anything to this student friend of mine until after she turns in her paper, because I don't want her to get a failing grade from some Leftist professor. But afterward I'd like to give her some reading material that will explain the truth about the Iraq phase of this war and/or expose the lies and intentional omissions of this pseudo documentary.

I've got a couple of pages worth of material written already but I cannot seem to find a friendly (IE from our side of the aisle) review of this movie, yet I'm certain I'd seen several when it came out in 2007 (VDH sticks in mind for some reason).

If anybody can find those reviews or other stuff I've missed I'd be most grateful.

THANKS
IN
ADVANCE,
R

410 [deleted]  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 4:13:02am
411 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 4:13:29am

re: #403 MandyManners

I wonder if TurboTax is having a fit this morning about Geithner's blaiming it for his not paying taxes.

Heard about that last night. Listened to the Glen Beck (who I am told I am a dead ringer for, btw) last night. The Turbo Tax people are calling "bullshit".

Don't think they're happy, at all.

412 MandyManners  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 4:13:58am

re: #406 Nightwatch

Thought I'd share, my son is so bored on 2'r # 4, they've formed their own "Master Weight Lifting" club. Don't know if the I.A comes in the F O B's to play or not. Sounds alot like there is not much happening in that neck of the sand-box. Not that the Lame Stream would report any of that.

If I'm reading that correctly, your son is serving in Iraq and there is nothing going on.

413 unreconstructed rebel  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 4:16:14am

re: #409 Render

The Re-education Camps are underway, I see.

414 Nightwatch  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 4:16:51am

re: #412 MandyManners

That would be...(thankfully..YES!)

415 MandyManners  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 4:16:57am

re: #409 Render

I googled the title of the movie and Hanson and got this.

[Link: www.nationalreview.com...]

416 Rustler  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 4:17:56am

Not neccessarily an lfg friend review but a negative left seeming review here.

417 nevergiveup  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 4:18:28am

So I see Obama got sworn in again, but according to Drudge, this time with out any Bible?

418 3 wood  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 4:18:32am

There are some signs that the real estate value drop is reaching it's bottom:The end is near
Commentary: Could the economy be fixing itself?

PORT WASHINGTON, N.Y. (MarketWatch) -- And now for some good news: The mother of all housing corrections appears to be nearing an end.
Nationwide, prices of new and existing homes are now only about 7% away from being as affordable as they were during the 1980s -- when the housing market was booming. At that time, median home prices equaled 2.9 times median household incomes.
To put this in perspective, at the apex of the bubble back in 2006, median home prices sold for about 4.5 times median incomes. In some markets they were actually twice as high -- clearly an unstable level that required creative lending and a bubble mentality among buyers and bankers alike.
For this key ratio to fall this far this fast required a combination of rising incomes -- and sharply falling housing prices. During the past three years personal incomes rose a total of 10% while home prices dropped by some 23%, on average.
This implies that by the time home prices bottom out, they will have fallen a total of 30% from their 2006 highs. In those markets where housing really got overheated, prices are already down by as much as 50%!
When combined with today's ultra-low mortgage rates, homes in many parts of the country may already be as affordable as they were in the halcyon days of the 1980s. Don't forget, in some areas home prices never bubbled up in the first place, so they have been priced right all along.

But, there are a few assumptions that have to be in place for this to happen:

All that is needed now is a good dose of buyer confidence -- and a willingness on the part of the banks to resume lending to those who qualify for a mortgage.


I think for that buyer confidence to turn around though, the unemployment rate needs to get better. Most folks have to have a reasonable expectation of not getting layed off before they are willing to assume a long term obligation.

419 Rustler  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 4:18:36am

re: #412 MandyManners

Looks like tour Number 4 in the sandbox.

420 [deleted]  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 4:18:42am
421 gregg  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 4:18:47am

It would seem to me that Geithner should have been making quarterly tax deposits during those years. It's not something you just do once a year via Turbo Tax. At least that's my experience.

422 Sharmuta  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 4:19:35am

Sanity break!

Just for some fun

423 Nightwatch  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 4:20:15am

re: #404 littleoldlady


So weak an excuse as to make the common man vomit his morning coffee into his lunch pail while riding the bus to work...

424 MandyManners  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 4:20:29am

re: #409 Render

I've found nothing but reviews featuring words such as "fiasco".

425 Rustler  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 4:20:44am

re: #417 nevergiveup Shh don't say anything or we will be treated to his 3rd swearing in.

426 x-wing  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 4:21:30am

re: #405 MandyManners

Holder's African-American?

No way... Jump back.


I wish these hyphenated "Americans" would just stake their claim in one or the other.
My ancesters came from Germany, but I'm not clamoring for cobble stone roads.

427 Render  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 4:21:31am

re: #413 unreconstructed rebel

No doubt, but they have been for some time in our nations "higher education" camps.

I figure the only way we can undo the damage is to re-re-educate the victims in ways they cannot be punished by their "educators" for.

Call it a retro-active home education.

IN
THEORY,
R

428 MandyManners  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 4:21:42am

re: #411 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Heard about that last night. Listened to the Glen Beck (who I am told I am a dead ringer for, btw) last night. The Turbo Tax people are calling "bullshit".

Don't think they're happy, at all.

They need to get out front with this. Can they prove he never bought one? Would that violate confidentiality rules but, would those rules be suspended since he said he bought it?

429 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 4:21:45am

re: #409 Render

The movie got excellent reviews on Rotten Tomatoes. There are a few bad reviews there too, but those seem to be focused on the "art" not content.

Sorry, I'm no help.

430 Nightwatch  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 4:22:10am

re: #419 Rustler

a play on structure, still the point is made...

431 MandyManners  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 4:22:40am

re: #417 nevergiveup

So I see Obama got sworn in again, but according to Drudge, this time with out any Bible?

Will this be "proof" by the potential "oafers" that he's really not president, and/or that he's really a Muslim?

432 srb1976  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 4:23:17am

re: #406 Nightwatch

Thought I'd share, my son is so bored on 2'r # 4, they've formed their own "Master Weight Lifting" club. Don't know if the I.A comes in the F O B's to play or not. Sounds alot like there is not much happening in that neck of the sand-box. Not that the Lame Stream would report any of that.

My brother came back from his third tour about 6 months ago, complained of boredom the whole time he was gone.

433 MandyManners  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 4:23:24am

re: #426 x-wing

No way... Jump back.


I wish these hyphenated "Americans" would just stake their claim in one or the other.
My ancesters came from Germany, but I'm not clamoring for cobble stone roads.

I use the term "African-American".

434 BlueCanuck  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 4:23:32am

re: #426 x-wing

Hyphens? If you can't proudly claim that you are an American, or in my case Canadian, without adding a hyphen there is something wrong with the way you precieve your country of birth.

435 3 wood  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 4:23:51am

Boy, the MSM is suddenly publishing good economic news, for some strange reason:
Baxter quarterly profit rises 19%, beats forecast

NEW YORK (MarketWatch) -- Baxter International Inc. said Thursday its fourth-quarter profit rose 19% to $569 million, or 91 cents a share, from $478 million, or 74 cents a share, in the same quarter a year before. Analysts had expected earnings on average of 89 cents a share, according to a FactSet Research survey. Sales for the quarter were $3.13 billion compared to $3.01 billion in the year-ago period.

436 MandyManners  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 4:24:03am

re: #429 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

The movie got excellent reviews on Rotten Tomatoes. There are a few bad reviews there too, but those seem to be focused on the "art" not content.

Sorry, I'm no help.

I read that review and what I read, it was an attack.

437 Dar ul Harbarian  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 4:24:06am

Laying out The Obama's dilemma regarding Gitmo

Watch for his final policy to be a 360 degree about face from Bush's

438 Erik The Red  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 4:25:19am

re: #434 BlueCanuck

Hyphens? If you can't proudly claim that you are an American, or in my case Canadian, without adding a hyphen there is something wrong with the way you precieve your country of birth.

Do people do that in Canada? I have never heard of an African-Canadian or an Indian-Canadian before.

439 TheMatrix31  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 4:25:20am

Then it comes to be that the soothing light at the end of your tunnel
Is just a freight train coming your way

Pretty much what I would say to Barack's supporters after his first day's actions...

440 Sharmuta  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 4:25:25am

re: #429 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I found some bookends for you.

441 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 4:25:29am

re: #422 Sharmuta

I loved that movie! Benny and Joon! [finger]. Depp is a nutcase, but he is an amazing actor.

442 Erik The Red  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 4:27:03am

re: #438 Erik The Red

Do people do that in Canada? I have never heard of an African-Canadian or an Indian-Canadian before.

My two girls were born in Africa. What do I call them when they return to the US? The are more African-Americans than all black born Americans.

443 BlueCanuck  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 4:28:25am

re: #438 Erik The Red

Thankfully it's not as prevalent as it is south of our border. But some people do try to muddy the water that way.

444 Rustler  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 4:28:30am

re: #438 Erik The Red
Just Canadian-American :P

445 Render  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 4:28:46am

re: #415 MandyManners

That one cover the points as only VDH can cover them. I'll add that in. But it's not the review I vaguely remember, which may not have been from VDH. I tried Blackfive too, but couldn't find anything over there either.

Thank you Cheerleader.

re: #416 Rustler

I saw that one...yikes. That guy needs a one way ticket to North Korea. I don't think that's quite what I'm looking for here.

DIGGING
DEEPER,
R

446 littleoldlady  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 4:29:11am

When I'm elected, a palacinta in every pot!

/mit fruit, of course!

Good day, ALL!™

447 Erik The Red  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 4:29:13am

re: #442 Erik The Red

My two girls were born in Africa. What do I call them when they return to the US? The are more African-Americans than all black born Americans.

Think if I put on their school forms African-American I can get them some tuition reduction?

448 tokyobk  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 4:29:41am

earthquake in tokyo

449 3 wood  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 4:29:47am

More good economic news that the media has discovered:
Lockheed Martin's quarterly profit increases 3%

WASHINGTON (MarketWatch) -- Lockheed Martin Corp. reported fourth-quarter net income of $823 million, or $2.05 a share, up from $799 million, or $1.89 a share, earned in the final three months of 2007. The Bethesda, Md.-based defense contractor and provider of technology services generated quarterly sales of $11.13 billion, up from the prior year's $10.84 billion

Now, prior to noon on this past Tuesday, you really had to dig to find the positive economic articles. Some were out there but they were squirreled away and you really had to drill down to find them. But now? Right on the opening website article list, right up front.

Interesting how that happens.

450 tokyobk  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 4:30:06am

not so big...

451 Nightwatch  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 4:30:41am

Night Lizards...

Post well.

452 Rustler  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 4:30:45am

re: #445 Render

Yeah it was negative but he wanted real far lefties saying what was wrong with it not a bunch of folks making excuses.

453 MandyManners  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 4:30:51am

re: #445 Render

@@@

Rah!

454 Erik The Red  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 4:31:15am

re: #451 Nightwatch

Night Lizards...

Post well.

Night. Night

455 [deleted]  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 4:31:30am
456 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 4:31:49am

re: #440 Sharmuta

Don't know where the hell you're finding that stuff, but it is hysterical.

Cool [finger] story?

In 1964, Jackie Mason allegedly gave Ed Sullivan the finger on a live telecast of Sullivan's weekly variety show. Sullivan terminated Mason's US$45,000.00 contract on the spot. Mason denied that he made the obscene gesture, insisting that he flashed numerous fingers and that the gesture was misinterpreted. He later retaliated against Sullivan by filing (but later dropping) a libel suit. A year and a half later, Mason again appeared on Sullivan's show, where Sullivan publicly apologized to Mason. Mason dropped the lawsuit shortly after. That was Mason's last appearance on Sullivan's show.

A video recording of the incident shows Mason talking through his comedy set and then looking to his right (viewers' left), toward Sullivan, commenting on the fact that Sullivan was giving him finger-signals.[citation needed] Sullivan may have been trying to tell Mason to wrap up his segment. Regardless, Mason continued commenting, talking toward Sullivan instead of the audience and thumbed his nose at him with his middle finger slightly separated from the others. The action left Sullivan with the impression that Mason had given him the finger on live TV. From Jackie Mason's viewpoint, Ed Sullivan's finger signals caught the attention of the audience, which distracted them from paying attention to his stand-up routine. As soon as Jackie realized that he was losing not only his audience at the studio but also millions watching him on live TV, he did some quick thinking and began to improvise his stand-up, using his own fingers to make jokes about Mr. Sullivan holding up fingers to signal the number of minutes Jackie Mason had left for his routine. When watching the slow motion replays of this incident it is clear that Jackie Mason's finger movements did not include giving the finger to Ed Sullivan.

I didn't know that Jackie Mason was a Rabbi.

457 3 wood  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 4:34:01am

And more good economic news in the media:
M&T Bank 4th-quarter net rose 57%

TEL AVIV (MarketWatch) -- M&T Bank Corp., the $65.8 billion-asset Buffalo, N.Y., banking company, reported that fourth-quarter net income rose 57% as deposits grew for a fifth consecutive quarter and commercial and real estate loans increased. Net was $102.2 million, or 92 cents a share, compared with $64.9 million, or 60 cents, in the year-earlier period

In other news, Obama's $850 billion "stimulus plan" is set for a floor vote next week.

458 BlueCanuck  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 4:34:45am

Well I guess I should sign off for the day. Relief is here, and my weekend begins. Have a good day, one and all. Stay scaly.

459 Sharmuta  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 4:37:59am

re: #456 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Don't know where the hell you're finding that stuff, but it is hysterical.

I've put my unicorn, Snowflake, on that task. I have more important things to do than look up middle finger images for your amusement.

460 3 wood  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 4:38:12am

re: #455 taxfreekiller

which in turn will put some of the taxing authorities such as school dist. into default on bonds.

That's a great point. You are going to start seeing municipalities being downgraded by Moody's and S&P and those who have variable rate debt (generally 7 day notes) are going to have severe problems rolling those notes over every week.

461 x-wing  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 4:39:24am

re: #434 BlueCanuck

Hyphens? If you can't proudly claim that you are an American, or in my case Canadian, without adding a hyphen there is something wrong with the way you precieve your country of birth.

Exactly...My ancesters may have come from Germany, but I'll be damned if I'm anything but American

462 MandyManners  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 4:40:29am

re: #459 Sharmuta

I've put my unicorn, Snowflake, on that task. I have more important things to do than look up middle finger images for your amusement.

You're so sexy when you delegate.

463 [deleted]  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 4:40:44am
464 3 wood  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 4:42:44am

Murtha Says He'd Take Guantanamo Prisoners in His District
Rep. Jack Murtha, D-Pa., says he'd be willing to house prisoners from Guantanamo Bay in his congressional district if President Obama makes good on a plan to close the U.S. prison there.

As one of his first acts in office, the president circulated a draft Wednesday that would shut down Guantanamo Bay within a year.

Murtha only has a minimum security prison in his district. But he says he'd have no reservations about holding detainees there in a maximum security prison.

"Sure, I'd take 'em," said Murtha, an outspoken critic of the Iraq war. "They're no more dangerous in my district than in Guantanamo."

Murtha added that there was "no reason not to put 'em in prisons in the United States and handle them the way they would handle any other prisoners."

But that idea disturbs House Minority Leader John Boehner, R-Ohio.

"Most communities around America don't want dangerous terrorists imported into their neighborhoods," Boehner said in a statement.

So this is a pitch by Murtha to get a maximum security buit in his district at Fed expense.

I say let's let Murtha take them to his home.

465 nevergiveup  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 4:42:59am

UN official: Israel should probe shelling which damaged UN buildings in Gaza

[Link: www.haaretz.com...]

I agree but don't waste more then 30 seconds on it. And then file the report an an appropriate place.

466 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 4:43:24am

re: #459 Sharmuta

F.N.G.R.

467 [deleted]  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 4:44:12am
468 gregg  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 4:44:58am

Glenn Beck said last night that the money supply has increased by 70% since last October. I'm not an economist, but that doesn't sound good.

469 x-wing  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 4:45:00am

re: #457 3 wood


Please,please ,please, vote this POS down.

470 Sharmuta  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 4:45:55am

re: #462 MandyManners

Hey- he's even a special Snowflake. ;p

471 Erik The Red  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 4:49:29am

I am looking for a cd of the sound of the ocean/sea to help me relax so I can get to sleep easier. Could anyone put me in the right direction. I have searched and am unable to find anything. Thanks

472 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 4:50:26am

re: #463 taxfreekiller

If Geitner wasn't charged penalties/interest on the amount that he cheated on, then every American who has paid interest and penalties to the IRS should sue the "F" out of somebody.

There are millions of Americans who have made "honest mistakes" on their taxes and gone through terrible hardships to repay the debt (sometimes imposed, sometimes not).

473 Wyatt Earp  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 4:50:53am

re: #469 x-wing

Please,please ,please, vote this POS down.

Never happen, although I wish it would.

474 Sharmuta  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 4:52:24am

For those of you interested, an update on the ID troll stretch:

Karma: -1,451

475 MandyManners  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 4:52:39am

re: #470 Sharmuta

Hey- he's even a special Snowflake. ;p

I prefer "spayshul".

476 MandyManners  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 4:53:14am

re: #474 Sharmuta

For those of you interested, an update on the ID troll stretch:

Karma: -1,451

Doesn't that beat AnneFrance's Karma?

477 Spare O'Lake  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 4:53:39am

re: #470 Sharmuta

Hey- he's even a special Snowflake. ;p

Winter has officially been here for a month but it feels much longer. Snowflake is therefore now officially declared to be a dirty word from now until the black fly hatch.
Please keep this in mind when discussing your pets.

478 Sharmuta  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 4:53:39am

re: #471 Erik The Red

Nature CDs at Amazon

479 Sharmuta  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 4:54:13am

re: #476 MandyManners

Doesn't that beat AnneFrance's Karma?

Oh- I'm sure it does.

480 Wyatt Earp  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 4:55:00am

re: #474 Sharmuta

For those of you interested, an update on the ID troll stretch:

Karma: -1,451


Holy crap, what did I miss last night?

481 MandyManners  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 4:55:04am

re: #474 Sharmuta

For those of you interested, an update on the ID troll stretch:

Karma: -1,451

It's now -1,454.

482 gregg  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 4:55:20am

re: #471 Erik The Red

I am looking for a cd of the sound of the ocean/sea to help me relax so I can get to sleep easier. Could anyone put me in the right direction. I have searched and am unable to find anything. Thanks

You might want to consider one of these white noise machines. I believe some models have ocean sounds.

483 Spare O'Lake  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 4:56:02am

re: #474 Sharmuta

For those of you interested, an update on the ID troll stretch:

Karma: -1,451

Wow, very impressive. Whodat?

484 Erik The Red  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 4:56:37am

re: #474 Sharmuta

For those of you interested, an update on the ID troll stretch:

Karma: -1,451

You own him Sharmuta I can't believe someone can spew so much shit and still keep coming back for more. How long before he gets the stick? I mostly just read the ID threads and I am sick of him.

485 MandyManners  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 4:57:06am

re: #483 Spare O'Lake

Wow, very impressive. Whodat?

Check him out under Bottom Comments.

486 Sharmuta  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 4:58:19am

re: #484 Erik The Red

You own him Sharmuta I can't believe someone can spew so much shit and still keep coming back for more. How long before he gets the stick? I mostly just read the ID threads and I am sick of him.

I kinda hope we keep him. It's been a long time since we've had a pet troll.

487 Spare O'Lake  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 4:58:39am

re: #471 Erik The Red

I am looking for a cd of the sound of the ocean/sea to help me relax so I can get to sleep easier. Could anyone put me in the right direction. I have searched and am unable to find anything. Thanks

Try searching "tsunami" in youtube.

488 Ford_Prefect  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 4:58:45am

'Dobroye 'Ootro Comrade Lizards!

May our Glorious Leader smile down upon you as he lightens the burden of your wallet. Long live the People's Republic of America!

/sort of

490 beblebrox  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 5:00:38am

re: #488 Ford_Prefect

'Dobroye 'Ootro Comrade Lizards!

May our Glorious Leader smile down upon you as he lightens the burden of your wallet. Long live the People's Republic of America!

/sort of

In Soviet Union Obama comes to YOU!

/couldn't resist

491 Rustler  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 5:00:55am

re: #468 gregg Fed must be going thru 43 printers and 5000 ink cartridges a day and Obama wants to up production to pay for his stimulus package.

492 Erik The Red  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 5:01:26am

re: #478 Sharmuta

Nature CDs at Amazon

{Thank you} will down load tonight when I get home. I have never down loaded from amazon before will it down load onto itunes?

493 [deleted]  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 5:01:58am
494 MandyManners  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 5:02:14am
495 Erik The Red  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 5:02:44am

re: #482 gregg

Thanks

496 Rustler  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 5:02:48am

re: #471 Erik The Red [Link: www.partnersinrhyme.com...]

Free downloads make your own cd's way cheaper.

497 gregg  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 5:02:55am

re: #491 Rustler

Fed must be going thru 43 printers and 5000 ink cartridges a day and Obama wants to up production to pay for his stimulus package.

I'm heading to the hardware store today to buy a wheelbarrow.

498 MandyManners  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 5:03:31am

If Muslims cannot eat with their left hands, how do they cut up steak? What about Muslims in some European countries where the fork is kept in the left hand?

499 quickjustice  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 5:03:33am

re: #404 littleoldlady

I actually know the guy who invented Turbotax back when he was 16 years old. He later sold the software to Intuit, its current owner.

He's now a very prominent physician in Boston.

500 Erik The Red  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 5:04:04am

re: #487 Spare O'Lake

Try searching "tsunami" in youtube.

LoL I said sleep not nightmares. I can do those by myself

501 Spare O'Lake  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 5:05:08am

re: #488 Ford_Prefect

'Dobroye 'Ootro Comrade Lizards!

May our Glorious Leader smile down upon you as he lightens the burden of your wallet. Long live the People's Republic of America!

/sort of

Da, da, O-ba-ma!
Nyet, nyet, free mar-ket!

502 big steve  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 5:06:02am

Don't know if anyone else has shown this link...Obama Inauguration Set Record for Private Jets......so much for the Green Crowd!

503 Wyatt Earp  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 5:06:12am

re: #498 MandyManners

If Muslims cannot eat with their left hands, how do they cut up steak? What about Muslims in some European countries where the fork is kept in the left hand?

I guess I can't be a Muslim - I'm left-handed.

504 Rustler  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 5:06:16am

re: #497 gregg
Gonna be like Moscovites taking 2 wheelbarrows of cash to buy a loaf of bread.

505 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 5:06:17am

If Ms. Kennedy has removed her name for consideration because of her Uncle's illness (which some have speculated) thank goodness she removed her name. She obviously can not handle adversity if that is the case.

506 Ford_Prefect  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 5:06:57am

re: #503 Wyatt Earp

I guess I can't be a Muslim - I'm left-handed.

So is Obama. Didn't stop him. ///

507 Spare O'Lake  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 5:07:10am

re: #485 MandyManners

Check him out under Bottom Comments.

Whose bottom?
/

508 MandyManners  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 5:07:37am

re: #503 Wyatt Earp

I guess I can't be a Muslim - I'm left-handed.

I wonder how much disfunction in that culture can be blamed on forcing Lefties to use their right hands.

509 Rustler  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 5:08:00am

re: #498 MandyManners
Muslims in Modern countries have learned the Value of washing your hands after using the restroom so the Unclean hand isn't as bad maybe : P

510 Erik The Red  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 5:08:15am

re: #496 Rustler

[Link: www.partnersinrhyme.com...]

Free downloads make your own cd's way cheaper.

Will also look at this thanks Rustler.

511 Wyatt Earp  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 5:08:18am

re: #508 MandyManners

I wonder how much disfunction in that culture can be blamed on forcing Lefties to use their right hands.

Lousy Catholic nuns with their painful rulers!

//

512 quickjustice  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 5:08:19am

re: #489 Ford_Prefect

Apparently, N.Y. Governor David Paterson told Caroline Kennedy he wasn't going to appoint her. That required Caroline to issue a rapid "end my bid for personal reasons" press release to save face and avoid public humiliation.

Although I think Andrew Cuomo, current NY State Attorney General and a former Clinton HUD Secretary, is the logical Democratic pick, I'm hearing that upstate Democratic Congresswoman Kirstin Gillibrand, supported by Democratic U.S. Senator "Chucky Cheese" Schumer, is the choice.

513 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 5:08:28am

re: #508 MandyManners

I wonder how much disfunction in that culture can be blamed on forcing Lefties to use their right hands.

They've got nuns?

514 Ford_Prefect  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 5:08:29am

re: #505 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

If Ms. Kennedy has removed her name for consideration because of her Uncle's illness (which some have speculated) thank goodness she removed her name. She obviously can not handle adversity if that is the case.

Did you read the end of the article I posted?

Sources close to Kennedy said she had decided to bow out for "personal" reasons.

But others said she made her move after it became clear Paterson wasn't going to pick her for the seat.

I am putting my money with the second theory.

515 MandyManners  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 5:08:37am

re: #505 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

If Ms. Kennedy has removed her name for consideration because of her Uncle's illness (which some have speculated) thank goodness she removed her name. She obviously can not handle adversity if that is the case.

It was an excuse. I'm sure the bright lights shone on her flipped her out.

516 MandyManners  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 5:08:54am

re: #507 Spare O'Lake

Whose bottom?
/

He sure shows his own here.

517 MandyManners  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 5:09:32am

re: #509 Rustler

Muslims in Modern countries have learned the Value of washing your hands after using the restroom so the Unclean hand isn't as bad maybe : P

But, didn't Mo explicity forbid the use of that hand no matter what?

518 Wyatt Earp  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 5:09:35am

re: #514 Ford_Prefect

I am putting my money with the second theory.

Wow, Paterson may show some common sense? Someone call Guinness!

519 MandyManners  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 5:10:03am

re: #511 Wyatt Earp

Lousy Catholic nuns with their painful rulers!

//

Good thing they stopped.

520 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 5:10:14am

re: #511 Wyatt Earp

MMTA.

521 Jetpilot1101  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 5:10:23am

re: #518 Wyatt Earp

Wow, Paterson may show some common sense? Someone call Guinness!

Let's not pop the cork on a bottle of bubbly yet. My bet is he appoints someone even further left then Clinton or Kennedy.

522 MandyManners  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 5:10:24am

re: #513 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

They've got nuns?

Worse: they got Mo.

523 Wyatt Earp  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 5:11:39am

re: #521 Jetpilot1101

Let's not pop the cork on a bottle of bubbly yet. My bet is he appoints someone even further left then Clinton or Kennedy.


I'd almost rather have that than Princess Caroline. Privileged broad has done nothing to deserve a Senate appointment other than being lucky enough to spring from Kennedy's loins.

524 summergurl  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 5:11:48am

re: #514 Ford_Prefect

I am putting my money with the second theory.

Me too- that leaves the door open to other possibilities. To be "unchosen" looks worse.

525 MandyManners  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 5:12:26am

Gotta' drag The Kid into the day. bbl

526 Jetpilot1101  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 5:13:21am

re: #523 Wyatt Earp

I'd almost rather have that than Princess Caroline. Privileged broad has done nothing to deserve a Senate appointment other than being lucky enough to spring from Kennedy's loins.

Wait, are you talking about the president or Caroline Kennedy? Must be Ms. Kennedy; the president, while meeting many of your qualifiers is not a broad and as far as we know did not spring from Kennedy's loins.

527 Ford_Prefect  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 5:15:26am

re: #523 Wyatt Earp

I'd almost rather have that than Princess Caroline. Privileged broad has done nothing to deserve a Senate appointment other than being lucky enough to spring from Kennedy's loins.

According to her that wasn't so lucky.

You have no idea how hard it is to be a Kennedy. The expectations are huge. //

528 quickjustice  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 5:15:44am

re: #518 Wyatt Earp

In addition to further exposing Democratic hypocrisy about choosing people for the U.S. Senate based upon merit (think Blago in Illinois), Caroline Kennedy would have been a placeholder who could have been easily defeated by the Republicans.

Governor Paterson has shown himself to be a practical man. He gets to preside over the implosion of the New York economy. That's bad enough, without adding appointment of a twit as New York's U.S. Senator at a time when Paterson must seek a federal bailout. Paterson will need all the help from the state's congressional delegation he can get!

529 eon  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 5:16:16am

re: #502 big steve

Don't know if anyone else has shown this link...Obama Inauguration Set Record for Private Jets......so much for the Green Crowd!

B-b-b-but, they're entitled!

After all, they are the Enlightened Ones Leading Us From The Darkness Of Individualism Into The True Light Of Collective Virtue By Our Worship Of Them.

They must have the ability to travel at will to spread their wisdom and genuflect before their Messiah.

///lots o'sarc, of course

Good morning, Lizards.

(Good morning, littleoldlady!:-) )

I'm not usually this sarcastic this early in the morning, but one of my personal pet peeves is people who demand that I reduce my "carbon footprint" from 35,000 feet where they are being served champagne by a flight attendant in a Gulfstream V going just under Mach enroute to another round of mutual backslapping at Davos.

cheers

eon

530 Wyatt Earp  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 5:18:31am

re: #528 quickjustice

In addition to further exposing Democratic hypocrisy about choosing people for the U.S. Senate based upon merit (think Blago in Illinois), Caroline Kennedy would have been a placeholder who could have been easily defeated by the Republicans.

Governor Paterson has shown himself to be a practical man. He gets to preside over the implosion of the New York economy. That's bad enough, without adding appointment of a twit as New York's U.S. Senator at a time when Paterson must seek a federal bailout. Paterson will need all the help from the state's congressional delegation he can get!

Ya know, I didn't think of that. Hell, Al Sharpton could beat her in an election!

531 Jetpilot1101  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 5:19:42am

re: #529 eon

Come on now, they know what is best for us. After all, who are we but petty peasants of the proletariat who must work to ensure they have an ivory tower in which they an hold their politburo meetings.

I say nominate Obama as emperor for life; he knows what is best for us.

///

532 Ford_Prefect  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 5:20:22am

re: #530 Wyatt Earp

Ya know, I didn't think of that. Hell, Al Sharpton could beat her in an election!

Don't be so sure. I was certain that New Yorkers would never elect an outsider like Hillary Clinton when she ran.

533 Wyatt Earp  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 5:21:16am

re: #532 Ford_Prefect

Don't be so sure. I was certain that New Yorkers would never elect an outsider like Hillary Clinton when she ran.

And how did that work out for ya? :)

534 Ford_Prefect  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 5:21:28am

OK. Gotta run. Play nice. Later Lizards!

535 Jetpilot1101  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 5:22:15am

Time to go to work. Later all!

536 Rustler  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 5:24:29am

re: #517 MandyManners It's used to wipe, dispose of trash etc. The use of the left hand is allowed for those who are trying to blend into western Societies without being caught out as well(at least for Saracen assassins.)

537 eon  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 5:26:00am

re: #530 Wyatt Earp

Ya know, I didn't think of that. Hell, Al Sharpton could beat her in an election!

There's also the fact that she would have been yet another NYC pol representing the entire state. Upstate Dems are getting almost as restive about NYC being "the tail that wags the dog" as the state's GOP is. Patterson wants to hold onto his job, and appointing another Big Apple politician to a statewide or national post might be enough to cause a revolt in his own party caucus, which is still smarting over the Eliot Spitball Spitzer debacle'.

For the same reason, Cuomo's prospects for the appointment look dim, as well. The most likely appointee will be, as stated before, an upstate Dem who is personally acceptable to Chuck Schumer (read; someone who will go along with him on any and all votes without stopping to think beforehand).

cheers

eon

538 Wyatt Earp  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 5:29:18am

re: #537 eon

There's also the fact that she would have been yet another NYC pol representing the entire state. Upstate Dems are getting almost as restive about NYC being "the tail that wags the dog" as the state's GOP is. Patterson wants to hold onto his job, and appointing another Big Apple politician to a statewide or national post might be enough to cause a revolt in his own party caucus, which is still smarting over the Eliot Spitball Spitzer debacle'.

For the same reason, Cuomo's prospects for the appointment look dim, as well. The most likely appointee will be, as stated before, an upstate Dem who is personally acceptable to Chuck Schumer (read; someone who will go along with him on any and all votes without stopping to think beforehand).

cheers

eon

Paterson would have to be blind not to see that!

//


Yeah, I'm insensitive.

539 Rustler  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 5:30:02am

re: #537 eon
You'd think after the Blue dress debacle Dem's would shy away from a Spitzer in favor of a Swaller.

540 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 5:30:24am

re: #532 Ford_Prefect

Don't be so sure. I was certain that New Yorkers would never elect an outsider like Hillary Clinton when she ran.

And they would not have if Rudy had stayed in. But, you're right. I was shocked.

541 eon  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 5:32:14am

re: #531 Jetpilot1101

Come on now, they know what is best for us. After all, who are we but petty peasants of the proletariat who must work to ensure they have an ivory tower in which they an hold their politburo meetings.

I say nominate Obama as emperor for life; he knows what is best for us.

///

My guess is, he thinks that's what just happened. When he actually has to run for re-election, I expect him to go into denial, and hide in the Rose Garden, just like his idol, Mr. Peanut.

cheers

eon

542 Wyatt Earp  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 5:33:11am

re: #541 eon

My guess is, he thinks that's what just happened. When he actually has to run for re-election, I expect him to go into denial, and hide in the Rose Garden, just like his idol, Mr. Peanut.

cheers

eon

From your lips to G_d's ears! Hide, Obama, hide!

543 Rustler  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 5:36:45am

re: #542 Wyatt Earp The Ears will always give him away.

544 eon  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 5:37:27am

re: #539 Rustler

You'd think after the Blue dress debacle Dem's would shy away from a Spitzer in favor of a Swaller.

Even now, they're going slowly nuts trying to find the entrance to the dungeon full of brainwashed zombie sex slaves the Reptilians have under the White House, so they can avoid any future "bimbo eruptions". I mean, it has to be there- David Ickes told them so, and everyone knows he's never wrong, right?

///

/Pointing out that we are now ruled by people whose contact with reality is tenuous, at best.

cheers

eon

545 Rustler  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 5:38:45am

re: #544 eon
Right now we are ruled by people who think Reality is a 4 letter word. Contact with such a thing is never advised.

546 JacksonTn  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 5:40:43am

Good Morning Lizards ...

Oscare Nominations on FOX now ...you know there is gonna be one for best actor in a comedy ...I nominate Barack Hussien Obama ...but then he is probably getting an Honorary Oscar anyway ...Hollywood idiots ...

547 Rustler  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 5:41:20am

I hope Heath Ledger wins for his portrayal of the "Joker". He was good in Dark Knight. I feel he outdid Jack in the original movies and Jack was great.

548 claspur  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 5:42:06am

gm... havn't come across an article yet this am regarding the jetset crowd's carbon footprint the other day in DC?
WnetDaily's got one about the re-swear-in of Barry, and at the end addresses his eligibility to hold that office, and a re-dress on another suit by The Supremes tomorrow.
(still have Super-Lag in here again today...*sigh)

549 Wyatt Earp  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 5:42:49am

re: #546 JacksonTn

Good Morning Lizards ...

Oscare Nominations on FOX now ...you know there is gonna be one for best actor in a comedy ...I nominate Barack Hussien Obama ...but then he is probably getting an Honorary Oscar anyway ...Hollywood idiots ...

I nominate the Inauguration coverage for Best Farce.

550 Rustler  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 5:42:52am

re: #546 JacksonTn
Best actor in a tragedy and hes got my vote nothing funny about his Potential to cause harm to our country and way of life.

551 eon  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 5:43:05am

re: #545 Rustler

Right now we are ruled by people who think Reality is a 4 letter word. Contact with such a thing is never advised.

Agreed. I further am forced to wonder how many of them are badgering the Service about a map of all the secret tunnels under the Executive Mansion, and of course the present whereabouts of the Book of Secrets. After all, they know both exist- they saw National Treasure 2.

/We are dealing with people whose worldview is largely a Hollywood construct.

cheers

eon

552 Nevergiveup  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 5:43:26am

Gazan doctor says death toll inflated
Physician at Gaza's Shifa Hospital tells Italian newspaper number of dead in Israeli offensive 'stands at no more than 500 or 600, most of them youths recruited to Hamas' ranks'. Senior Palestinian Health Ministry official denies claims, IDF estimate on 1,200 casualties in Strip remains unchanged

[Link: www.ynetnews.com...]

Hum? Now were have I heard something like this before. I think my friend Jen In told me a fairy tale once?

553 Rustler  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 5:45:00am

re: #529 eon
Yeah Al Gore preaching to me about my Carbon Footprint is gonna end up with a Carbon Footprint on his keister. Especially since his Green home has a bigger carbonfootprint than many small city blocks.

554 Wyatt Earp  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 5:45:54am

re: #553 Rustler

Yeah Al Gore preaching to me about my Carbon Footprint is gonna end up with a Carbon Footprint on his keister. Especially since his Green home has a bigger carbonfootprint than many small city blocks.

Well, all of those wet bars for Al, Jr. need to be keep refrigerated!

555 Nevergiveup  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 5:46:14am

Sudan seeks dialogue with Obama

[Link: www.ynetnews.com...]

Dam, their coming out of the woodwork to cozy up to Obama? Ya got to wonder why?

556 Wyatt Earp  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 5:46:51am

re: #555 Nevergiveup

Sudan seeks dialogue with Obama

[Link: www.ynetnews.com...]

Dam, their coming out of the woodwork to cozy up to Obama? Ya got to wonder why?

Because he's "just like us!"

//

557 Irish Rose  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 5:48:22am

re: #471 Erik The Red

I am looking for a cd of the sound of the ocean/sea to help me relax so I can get to sleep easier. Could anyone put me in the right direction. I have searched and am unable to find anything. Thanks

I use a white noise machine and it's really wonderful, knocks me out in record time.

Good morning, lizards.

558 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 5:48:33am

re: #547 Rustler

I hope Heath Ledger wins for his portrayal of the "Joker". He was good in Dark Knight. I feel he outdid Jack in the original movies and Jack was great.

I preferred Jack.

We can both be right! yay!

559 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 5:49:14am

re: #557 Irish Rose

I use a white noise machine and it's really wonderful, knocks me out in record time.

Good morning, lizards.

Hiya Rose! Is a white noise machine a boom-box that plays polka music?

560 3 wood  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 5:50:45am

re: #547 Rustler

I hope Heath Ledger wins for his portrayal of the "Joker". He was good in Dark Knight. I feel he outdid Jack in the original movies and Jack was great.

Mickey Rourke can forget about getting anything at the Oscars but the cold shoulder. He publicly said that he's not one of these people who blame Bush for everything.

They will punish him but good for that comment out there.

561 Irish Rose  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 5:51:18am

re: #559 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Hiya Rose! Is a white noise machine a boom-box that plays polka music?

Hah.
No polka setting on mine.

562 Beach Lover  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 5:51:37am

What a joke this administration is gonna be. Not only do we have a President that has no experience, he wants his administration full of cheats and liars!

When's the last time we HAD to have a liar and cheat on his own taxes run OUR tax system? He's the ONLY one in the country smart enough to do it?!

and a Secretary of State who about a year ago we didn't think was worthy of first lady let alone running our foreign policy

and an Attorney General who has lied under oath in front of congress about his dealings with the Marc Rich pardon? Seems he forgot he was heavily involved waaay back in the 90's with pursuing this crook. Just maybe it might be because Jack Quinn (Gore's friend and attorney) whispered something about being AG in the Gore administration? Now he says..Geesh, I am embarrassed I wasn't more informed. yeah, right!

there has to be a reason the Messiah is taking a chance on these people. He didn't get in the oval by way of Chicago politics without learning the lessons well

563 Wyatt Earp  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 5:52:14am

re: #562 Beach Lover

What a joke this administration is gonna be. Not only do we have a President that has no experience, he wants his administration full of cheats and liars!

When's the last time we HAD to have a liar and cheat on his own taxes run OUR tax system? He's the ONLY one in the country smart enough to do it?!

and a Secretary of State who about a year ago we didn't think was worthy of first lady let alone running our foreign policy

and an Attorney General who has lied under oath in front of congress about his dealings with the Marc Rich pardon? Seems he forgot he was heavily involved waaay back in the 90's with pursuing this crook. Just maybe it might be because Jack Quinn (Gore's friend and attorney) whispered something about being AG in the Gore administration? Now he says..Geesh, I am embarrassed I wasn't more informed. yeah, right!

there has to be a reason the Messiah is taking a chance on these people. He didn't get in the oval by way of Chicago politics without learning the lessons well

Oh come on now, we can all "forget" to pay our taxes and get away with it, right? //

564 Rustler  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 5:53:03am

re: #558 Fat Bastard Vegetarian I liked Jack. I just think Heath had a better script to work off of. Jack's Joker wasn't nearly as dark as he should have been but the Movie industry really wrecked the first few Batman movies by making em to cuddly.

565 eon  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 5:53:09am

re: #547 Rustler

I hope Heath Ledger wins for his portrayal of the "Joker". He was good in Dark Knight. I feel he outdid Jack in the original movies and Jack was great.

I'm actually hoping for at least some sort of appreciation for Charlton Heston. Whether they agreed with his politics or not (and I know most of them don't- for the record, I do), he left a body of work that will stand forever.

Yesterday, as an antidote to the Obamaluvvv, I watched the restored Sony/TCM print of Major Dundee (1964), with Heston, Richard Harris, Warren Oates, and Jim Hutton, directed by Sam Peckinpah. One of the ten best "cavalry/Civil War" Westerns ever made, IMHO, especially as it gives a good synopsis of the almost-forgotten border problems between the U.S. and France (!) along the Rio Grande in that era. Not to mention, you get to see French lancers win a Darwin Award by trying to charge artillery, a lesson that was driven home brutally in real life at Sedan in 1870, courtesy of the Prussian Army.

Only Peckinpah could have directed it, and only Heston could have played the title role' believably.

cheers

eon

566 verbatim  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 5:53:56am

It's not going to be like this for four years is it? Are we going to be subjected to a day to day, blow by blow account of every move "the One" makes.

Obama to spend 2nd full day on foreign affairs

567 jcbunga  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 5:53:59am

I don't want to sit and whine for 4 years, so time for some results. Here's what this country needs, in no particular order:

-We need a new party. The ones we have are shams and exist only to self-perpetuate. Throw out every bum in office and run a slate that respects the Constitution. Including the "good ones". Anyone in office now has failed, either by action or by lack of support. Start all over.
-Close the borders, require proof of citizenship for work (we went socialist in 5 months but can't build an f*ing fence in 4 years.)
-Fix blame for the economic mess where it belongs. Who made these bad loans? Who wrote the legislation that enabled it? Throw them all out and prosecute where necessary.
-Announce that the United States will stop all imports of oil in 5 years. Immediately begin a massive drilling and refining program. Start a Manhattan Project-style effort to develop alternate fuels and tell our friends the Saudis et al to cram it.
-Build the missile defense.
-Allow capitalism to work, meaning failing businesses fail. Unpaid mortgages get foreclosed. Return risk to the system.
-Prosecute media who release secret information.

I could go on, but you get the point. Are we gonna wring our hands for 4 years, hope for the best in 2010 or do something about it?

Government is the problem, not the solution, and until we get off our asses and get leaders we deserve, we are also the problem.

568 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 5:54:44am

re: #564 Rustler

I preferred Tim Burton's Batman visions.

I love opinion. Especially when I'm right.
/

569 3 wood  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 5:55:03am

Jobless claims rise

U.S. initial weekly jobless claims rise

WASHINGTON (MarketWatch) -- First-time applications for state unemployment benefits rose 62,000 to a seasonally adjusted 589,000 in the week ending Jan. 17, the Labor Department said Thursday. The level of initial claims is up 82% from the same period in the prior year, and the last time the level was higher was in November 1982. The four-week average of new claims was unchanged at 519,250. The number of people collecting benefits in the week ending Jan. 10 rose 97,000 to 4.61 million, a level that is 72% higher than in the prior year. The four-week average of continuing claims rose 58,750 to 4.56 million -- the highest level since November 1982. The insured unemployment rate remained at 3.4%

This could bee seen actually as an indication that the rate of deterioration in the economy is starting to slow down.

Still, not a good situation overall.

570 Irish Rose  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 5:55:17am

re: #566 verbatim

It's not going to be like this for four years is it? Are we going to be subjected to a day to day, blow by blow account of every move "the One" makes.

Obama to spend 2nd full day on foreign affairs


Kinda like the brand new parents after the birth of their first child.

571 Rustler  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 5:55:21am

re: #562 Beach Lover 2 Words BUS FODDER

572 quickjustice  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 5:55:22am

re: #532 Ford_Prefect

There's precedent for New Yorkers electing a carpetbagger as their U.S. Senator, starting with Caroline's Uncle Bobby. Hillary Clinton was following in that grand tradition, although she had a lot of help from hubby Bill, whose HUD Secretary, Andrew Cuomo, had billions of federal dollars to spread around New York State to grease Hillary's way to power with local mayors and other officials.

Make no mistake about it: New York received much more than its fair share of federal "urban renewal" dollars from HUD during Hillary's candidacy. Ironically, Andrew Cuomo, who divorced a philandering Kennedy, is now the N.Y. Attorney General and a competitor with Governor Paterson for Paterson's job.

573 Beach Lover  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 5:56:45am

re: #567 jcbunga

OK...you got my vote!

574 3 wood  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 5:57:31am

re: #566 verbatim

It's not going to be like this for four years is it? Are we going to be subjected to a day to day, blow by blow account of every move "the One" makes.

Of course we will, followed by a worship service on the MSM nightly news shows.

575 eon  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 5:57:38am

re: #562 Beach Lover

What a joke this administration is gonna be. Not only do we have a President that has no experience, he wants his administration full of cheats and liars!

When's the last time we HAD to have a liar and cheat on his own taxes run OUR tax system? He's the ONLY one in the country smart enough to do it?!

and a Secretary of State who about a year ago we didn't think was worthy of first lady let alone running our foreign policy

and an Attorney General who has lied under oath in front of congress about his dealings with the Marc Rich pardon? Seems he forgot he was heavily involved waaay back in the 90's with pursuing this crook. Just maybe it might be because Jack Quinn (Gore's friend and attorney) whispered something about being AG in the Gore administration? Now he says..Geesh, I am embarrassed I wasn't more informed. yeah, right!

there has to be a reason the Messiah is taking a chance on these people. He didn't get in the oval by way of Chicago politics without learning the lessons well

Scapegoats. He's already loading the bus with the people he'll throw under it when things start going south on him. In this respect, he's actually a bit smarter-or at least a bit more cunning- than his idol, Rabbit Bait.

cheers

eon

576 claspur  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 5:57:54am

out to dig info on that footprint on my own...hagd all

577 Rustler  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 5:58:07am

re: #568 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Yeah Tim Burton is a wonderfully Dark Director. Perfect man to Direct Batman movies.

578 Rustler  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 5:58:48am

re: #570 Irish Rose
So when do we get to see the Pics of Obama suckling at the MSM teat.

579 Wyatt Earp  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 5:59:57am

re: #566 verbatim

It's not going to be like this for four years is it? Are we going to be subjected to a day to day, blow by blow account of every move "the One" makes.

Obama to spend 2nd full day on foreign affairs

Oh yea, Mr. President, go with your strangths. I wonder if he'll have Rahm point to a map when a different country is discussed?

And this, sir, is Su-dan . . .

580 Wyatt Earp  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 6:00:15am

re: #578 Rustler

So when do we get to see the Pics of Obama suckling at the MSM teat.

Boob Thread!

581 eon  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 6:00:24am

re: #578 Rustler

So when do we get to see the Pics of Obama suckling at the MSM teat.

More likely the reverse, and a bit further down.

/Messiahs are genuflected to, after all

cheers

eon

582 3 wood  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 6:01:42am

Housing starts in December were down. No surprise, but there it is:

Housing starts plunge to another record low

WASHINGTON (MarketWatch) -- Construction on new homes took another turn for the worse in December, falling more than 15% to a seasonally adjusted annual rate of 550,000, the lowest on record, the Commerce Department reported Thursday.

Permits to build single-family homes fell 12.3% to a record-low 363,000 in December, while total permits including apartments dropped 10.7% to a 549,000 annual rate, also a record low. Building permits are considered a more reliable guide to the state of the housing market, because they are less affected by weather conditions than the housing starts figures.
The report was much worse than expected for the second consecutive month. Economists surveyed by MarketWatch were looking for a smaller drop to an annual rate of about 600,000, thinking that November's 15% decline in starts wouldn't be repeated. It was.

"The financial market shockwave felt in the fall has clearly brought the housing industry to its knees," wrote Stephen Stanley, chief economist for RBS Greenwich Capital. "Builders have essentially closed up shop for a while until the storm blows over."

583 Syrah  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 6:02:00am

re: #578 Rustler

So when do we get to see the Pics of Obama suckling at the MSM teat.

I suspect that what we will actually see is something more to the reverse of the image that you have suggested.

584 Rustler  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 6:02:29am

re: #567 jcbunga
Sounds good a Constitution party is one I would drop my current affialiation for. However doing a lot of this stuff in 5 years means the next pres only gets 1 year on it or the new congress we elect only has 3 to get the ball rolling next 2-4 years are already shot. Starting the plans now is a grand idea however.

585 3 wood  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 6:02:44am

re: #578 Rustler

So when do we get to see the Pics of Obama suckling at the MSM teat.

It's more like the MSM is assuming the Monica Lewinsky position.

586 Rustler  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 6:03:15am

re: #585 3 wood

Rofl you Eon and Syrah make 3.

587 Rustler  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 6:03:34am

Peace all releif here be safe.

588 Irish Rose  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 6:04:24am

Is the prayer list still being kept, anyone know?
I have a couple items to add.

589 3 wood  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 6:04:54am

Look for a down day in the markets, and for the MSM to blame Bush.

I remember when Clinton won his first term and the market rose a bit in the weeks leading up tot he inauguration, the MSM/Democrats gave the credit to Clinton, saying the markets were anticipating his Presidency.

On the other hand, Bush will get blamed for any down market for years.

590 aussiemagpie  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 6:05:05am

re: #566 verbatim

It's not going to be like this for four years is it? Are we going to be subjected to a day to day, blow by blow account of every move "the One" makes.

Obama to spend 2nd full day on foreign affairs

And spare a thought for us Down Here

This has been headline news ALL day on the Daily Telegraph's online version

Obama ate a burger...

Do we really need to know this?

I think I'll email the Telegraph to let them know we had steak, chips and salad for dinner

591 Wyatt Earp  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 6:05:47am

re: #590 aussiemagpie

And spare a thought for us Down Here

This has been headline news ALL day on the Daily Telegraph's online version

Obama ate a burger...

Do we really need to know this?

I think I'll email the Telegraph to let them know we had steak, chips and salad for dinner

But you're not the savior, so they won't care. :)

592 Beach Lover  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 6:05:50am

re: #583 Syrah

I suspect that what we will actually see is something more to the reverse of the image that you have suggested.

that's been going on for over a year already. I'm actually looking forward to the idiots that voted for him to now lose interest and go back to not caring about who is in office . It's our only hope.

593 Syrah  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 6:06:20am

re: #589 3 wood

Look for a down day in the markets, and for the MSM to blame Bush.

I remember when Clinton won his first term and the market rose a bit in the weeks leading up tot he inauguration, the MSM/Democrats gave the credit to Clinton, saying the markets were anticipating his Presidency.

On the other hand, Bush will get blamed for any down market for years.

They will do everything in their power to make Bush this century's Herbert Hoover.

594 aussiemagpie  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 6:08:09am

re: #588 Irish Rose

Is the prayer list still being kept, anyone know?
I have a couple items to add.

Hi, yes it's still going strong, and I added something tonight - look upthread as Goodessoftheclassroom had a blue nic going for a few posts

595 3 wood  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 6:08:24am

Housing still sliding
But economists say mid-2009 will be the trough

LAS VEGAS (MarketWatch) -- Housing will not look much better at the end of this year than it does now, but "we do expect '09 will be the bottom," the chief economist for the National Association of Home Builders said Tuesday.

David Crowe, speaking at the International Builders Show here, said housing starts are expected to fall nearly another 30% in 2009 and new-home sales will drop 14%. But he said he expects the trough of the market to occur sometime in the middle of the year.

"We should come out of 2009 on an upswing. It won't be strong, and we will still have home-price declines throughout the year, but it will be an upswing," he said.

These guys are guessing. They have no idea for sure what is going to happen in 6 months.

596 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 6:08:49am

1459 days 2 hours

Good Morning All!

Doing well here, 20 degrees, hazy but probably sunny later in the land of graft and corruption...er...Lincoln.

What's news? 3-4 trillion bailout? Sure why not, we can always print more.

/idiots. Just take the brakes off business and let them correct and charge forward. But Nooo.

597 smokefire  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 6:09:53am

How many of us would walk down the street and sing this little diddy?


Oh, it's a cultural thing, that's right

598 verbatim  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 6:10:19am

re: #590 aussiemagpie


Obama ate a burger...

Do we really need to know this?

I don't know if I'll can tolerate this. I might have to unplug the Internets. And it's only been one (or is that One?) day.

599 Syrah  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 6:10:47am

re: #592 Beach Lover

We are looking at a religious movement. They may be shallow people, but their faith in The One is deep.

600 [deleted]  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 6:10:51am
601 DeafDog  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 6:11:38am

re: #590 aussiemagpie

I hope he still has time to work out!

/

602 DeafDog  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 6:14:04am

re: #593 Syrah

They will do everything in their power to make Bush this century's Herbert Hoover.


The economy was doing pretty good before Pelosi/Reid took over the congress and stopped pro-growth legislation in favor of minimum wage increases.

On the flip side, the 1990's did not start to improve till the Republicans took over the congress.

Let's get back to a balanced govt. in 2010.

It's time for change! :-)

603 aussiemagpie  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 6:14:50am

re: #591 Wyatt Earp

But you're not the savior, so they won't care. :)

Hi :-)

He's NOT my saviour - and the coverage by our esteeemed MSM has been nauseating!

Even our Australian Womens Weekly (published monthly) has a zillion page feature on the Obamas, however I can't remember anything about Pres Bush and family ever being covered

604 verbatim  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 6:15:59am

re: #589 3 wood


On the other hand, Bush will get blamed for any down market for years.

He'll be the whipping boy for the next four years, if the One can't the ship turned around.

605 Nevergiveup  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 6:16:37am

Prime Minister Ehud Olmert said Thursday that the Israel Defense Forces' operation in the Gaza Strip has generated renewed momentum in efforts to strike a deal for the release of captive soldier Gilad Shalit, who was abducted by Gaza militants in a cross-border raid more than two years ago.

[Link: www.haaretz.com...]

Olmert really must be delusional?

606 eon  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 6:17:45am

re: #593 Syrah

They will do everything in their power to make Bush this century's Herbert Hoover.

True. The difference being, Hoover at least partly deserved the whacking. Not for being in office when the roof fell in on the house of cards DBA "Wall Street", but for establishing many of the programs that paved the way for FDR's expensive and ultimately failed New Deal. Like FDR, Hoover was at heart a Northeast liberal who didn't know when to leave well enough alone. It is regrettable to state (due to the horror it was, and the losses incurred), but if World War Two had not happened, FDR's administration would today be considered as much a "failed presidency" as Hoover's, purely on their shared track record of failed domestic economic/social policies.

What irritates me is that GWB has been blamed for the likes of Enron, Global Crossing, etc., for the last eight years, and will undoubtedly also be blamed for the Madoff scandal. All of the above were busy robbing people blind going back to when Clinton was in the Oval Office- but it was only under Bush's much-despised (by the MSM) AGs that the people responsible were going for perp walks in front of the cameras. IMH(andP)O, that's like blaming Eliot Ness for Snorky (Al Capone).

cheers

eon

607 aussiemagpie  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 6:18:02am

re: #598 verbatim

I don't know if I'll can tolerate this. I might have to unplug the Internets. And it's only been one (or is that One?) day.

Not the internet - stick around here and other unObamacrazed sites - just unplug the telly :-)

608 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 6:19:34am

I, for one, welcome our Black racist overlords.

/channeling Kent Brockman

609 aussiemagpie  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 6:21:14am

re: #601 DeafDog

I hope he still has time to work out!

/

Hi, and he does look like he needs a few more burgers - a bit on the scrawny side

However he could end up like our very own PM Rudd, who has porked up very nicely since he was elected over 12 months ago

610 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 6:21:27am

Nothing on the street looks any different to me

611 Kenneth  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 6:21:38am

re: #417 nevergiveup

So I see Obama got sworn in again, but according to Drudge, this time with out any Bible?

It depends on how you look at it:

Technically, if they re-did the swearing in, then it is because there was concern that the first time the oath was messed up and therefore not a real swearing in. Which means he was not really President until the second oath was administered. Which means the presidential directives he signed yesterday do not have constitutional authority. And the real oath was done without a Bible, so you can take whatever meaning you will from that.

On the other hand,


A president is required by the Constitution to say, "I do solemnly swear that I will faithfully execute the office of president of the United States, and will to the best of my ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States."

At the inauguration, Roberts instead said: "that I will execute the office of president to the United States faithfully."

In a statement, White House counsel Greg Craig said the oath was re-administered "out of an abundance of caution."

"We believe that the oath of office was administered effectively and that the President was sworn in appropriately yesterday. But the oath appears in the Constitution itself," Craig's statement said

612 Render  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 6:21:54am

The Sound of White Noise?

Anthrax - Only

SLEEP
TIGHT,
R

613 Nevergiveup  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 6:21:58am

Obama to Close Guantanamo and Foreign Prisons, Limit CIA Methods

Obama is expected to sign "several" executive orders Thursday, directing the CIA to close secret foreign prisons and Guantanamo Bay, and limiting detention and interrogation methods.

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

I feel an breeze on my neck. Is there an ill wind blowing?

614 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 6:22:02am

re: #610 Who Watches the Watchmen?

Nothing on the street looks any different to me

Look harder... unicorns are smaller than we thought.

615 Syrah  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 6:24:22am

re: #606 eon

There was this in the news yesterday.


Jim Rogers, a former partner of George Soros, told the BBC that the new administration was "run by people who caused the latest financial problems".

He said Mr Geithner and Larry Summers, due to head the National Economic Council, have been wrong for 15 years.

"These people don't know what they're doing," he said. Mr Rogers is seen as influential in financial markets.

616 Nevergiveup  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 6:24:28am

Book Claims Nazi 'Angel of Death' Responsible for High Rate of Twins in Brazilian Town

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

Bet that would make a great movie?
/

617 quickjustice  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 6:24:36am

re: #582 3 wood

Housing starts? One of our current problems is an oversupply of housing. Until that corrects, there's no need for new housing.

618 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 6:25:24am

re: #613 Nevergiveup

Obama to Close Guantanamo and Foreign Prisons, Limit CIA Methods

Obama is expected to sign "several" executive orders Thursday, directing the CIA to close secret foreign prisons and Guantanamo Bay, and limiting detention and interrogation methods.

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

I feel an breeze on my neck. Is there an ill wind blowing?

Pay no mind, the guy with the ax is just lining up to make a clean cut.

/the "good news" is that all these decisions will be on record when we get attacked again, making it at least a little more difficult for him to shuck responsibility and blame Bush for it. They still will, but it will be harder.

619 Kenneth  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 6:25:39am

re: #605 Nevergiveup

I don't mean to be pessimistic, (and at the risk of massive down-dings), but is there any reliable evidence that Gilad Shalit is still alive? It would be out of character for Hamas to not have murdered him. Hezbollah murdered the two Israeli soldiers they had kidnapped in 2006 and there is no reason to believe Hamas acted any differently.

620 Lyric  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 6:25:43am

Morning everyone from NE Tennessee, here we are still free, and forever will be, a hillbilly bible clinging rifleman behind every tree.

621 eon  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 6:25:46am

re: #610 Who Watches the Watchmen?

Nothing on the street looks any different to me

If you're talking Wall Street, I agree.

If you mean the street in front of your house, I predict that within a year, the government will be installing a hand-cranked generator in your living room to power the streetlight in front of your house- after they figure out that Wind and Sun ain't gonna cut it.

/If we're very lucky, they'll be hooked to exercise bikes.

Have to run. Have a great day, Lizards.

cheers

eon

622 nyc redneck  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 6:26:44am

i don't trust any of the idiots who have put the O on a pedestal.
and he shouldn't either.
these fools are intoxicated. out of their right minds for very unsound reasons.
their euphoria will pass and they will turn on him.
this fawning mob is using the O as a means to exalt itself.
to feel good abt. how "they have overcome".
it is racism of the worst order.
these people are twisted.

623 Wyatt Earp  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 6:27:20am

re: #622 nyc redneck

i don't trust any of the idiots who have put the O on a pedestal.
and he shouldn't either.
these fools are intoxicated. out of their right minds for very unsound reasons.
their euphoria will pass and they will turn on him.
this fawning mob is using the O as a means to exalt itself.
to feel good abt. how "they have overcome".
it is racism of the worst order.
these people are twisted.

He's not Bush, and that alone makes him "the savior." Gag.

624 Nevergiveup  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 6:27:28am

re: #619 Kenneth

I don't mean to be pessimistic, (and at the risk of massive down-dings), but is there any reliable evidence that Gilad Shalit is still alive? It would be out of character for Hamas to not have murdered him. Hezbollah murdered the two Israeli soldiers they had kidnapped in 2006 and there is no reason to believe Hamas acted any differently.

I pray he is but i doubt it very much also. Which is even more reason for that dope Olmert to just shut the hell up about him.

625 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 6:27:49am

re: #590 aussiemagpie

And spare a thought for us Down Here

This has been headline news ALL day on the Daily Telegraph's online version

Obama ate a burger...

Do we really need to know this?

I think I'll email the Telegraph to let them know we had steak, chips and salad for dinner

I ate a hot dog, it tasted real good
Then I watched a movie from Hollywood
/FZ

626 [deleted]  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 6:28:33am
627 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 6:28:45am

It would be nice to know that real life would come slap all these screwballs silly with a cluebat.

Unfortunately, we are the ones that are going to pay the price for this idiocy.

628 jaunte  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 6:29:16am

On the news: Hillary Clinton talking up "robust" diplomacy as one of the best methods for securing America's future. "Smart people" are also key, apparently. "Dialog" will make us better.

How to distinguish 'robust' from normal diplomacy?

629 Spenser (with an S)  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 6:29:23am

Morning all. Rose, is there anything specific you're free to mention as a prayer request or just general "please be with IrishRose".

630 Wyatt Earp  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 6:30:04am

re: #627 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

It would be nice to know that real life would come slap all these screwballs silly with a cluebat.

Unfortunately, we are the ones that are going to pay the price for this idiocy.

Already paying for it, Lt.

631 WriterMom  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 6:30:27am

re: #619 Kenneth

No evidence at all.

632 Wyatt Earp  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 6:30:48am

re: #628 jaunte

On the news: Hillary Clinton talking up "robust" diplomacy as one of the best methods for securing America's future. "Smart people" are also key, apparently. "Dialog" will make us better.

How to distinguish 'robust' from normal diplomacy?

It's heartier with a richer aroma.

633 WriterMom  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 6:31:00am
634 Syrah  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 6:31:08am

re: #628 jaunte

On the news: Hillary Clinton talking up "robust" diplomacy as one of the best methods for securing America's future. "Smart people" are also key, apparently. "Dialog" will make us better.

How to distinguish 'robust' from normal diplomacy?

The new "robust" diplomacy will have a a quality of hopeychangeyness that has been lacking up to now.

635 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 6:31:20am

re: #632 Wyatt Earp

It's heartier with a richer aroma.

Ewww! What are you talking about?

636 VioletTiger  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 6:31:45am

re: #149 Oh no...Sand People!

OT:

"Atlas Shrugged"...

If some of you haven't...You GOTTA read that book. I swear it was written last week. It's amazing. Blowing my mind how spot on Ayn Rand called it back in the fifties. Kee-ripes.

I just bought this book last week. Plan to cozy up to a fire this weekend to read it.

637 realwest  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 6:31:48am

Good morning y'all - from a COLD (20 degrees, but supposedly going up to 52 degrees) but bright and sunny Charlotte!
How is everyone this morning?

638 Wyatt Earp  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 6:32:02am

re: #635 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Ewww! What are you talking about?

"Robust dilpomacy" . . . and Hillary Clinton's boobs. Heh.

639 bellamags  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 6:32:03am

Boortz just read transcripts of a woman who is having her car repossessed. She left a message at the collection agency that basically said "come get the car... its at the shop and you can pay that man if you want the car etc..." but at the end of her statement she said "we aren't rich like ya'll are but we will be one day this year WE WILL BE because we have Barack Obama" He said he can't verify it authenticity, but it's still funny.

Needs her unicorn

640 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 6:32:06am

re: #628 jaunte

On the news: Hillary Clinton talking up "robust" diplomacy as one of the best methods for securing America's future. "Smart people" are also key, apparently. "Dialog" will make us better.

How to distinguish 'robust' from normal diplomacy?

Fewer foo-foo hors d'oeuvres at the reception.

641 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 6:32:46am

re: #630 Wyatt Earp

Already paying for it, Lt.

We have not yet begun to pay!

/John Paul Jones strapping himself to the mast of his dying ship

642 godfrey  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 6:32:52am
643 realwest  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 6:33:09am

re: #638 Wyatt Earp
Howdy Wyatt! Why on earth would y'all want to talk about Hillary's boobs at this hour of the morning...or, for that matter, at any other time of day?!

644 bellamags  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 6:33:31am

re: #622 nyc redneck

i don't trust any of the idiots who have put the O on a pedestal.
and he shouldn't either.
these fools are intoxicated. out of their right minds for very unsound reasons.
their euphoria will pass and they will turn on him.
this fawning mob is using the O as a means to exalt itself.
to feel good abt. how "they have overcome".
it is racism of the worst order.
these people are twisted.

see my #639

645 MandyManners  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 6:33:47am

re: #626 Iron Fist

You have to understand. You should be sitting in a cold, dark, three-room house with dirt floors and no indoor plumbing, so that they can enjoy their private jets without any concern on their part for Glowbull Warming. You clearly don't have an understanding of your role in this little game of Master and Servant.

Perhaps we should have you flogged.

*ears perk up*

646 jaunte  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 6:33:54am

re: #634 Syrah

It's amazing (still) what kind of vague pap makes these kinds of policy speeches.
"The President is seriously committed to working with us."

647 Spenser (with an S)  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 6:34:08am

Trying to get someone to go to Ayan Hirsi Ali's talk with me tomorrow. It's at the college I graduated from just a couple of miles from my office. Anyone heard her speak live?

648 Wyatt Earp  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 6:34:52am

re: #643 realwest

Howdy Wyatt! Why on earth would y'all want to talk about Hillary's boobs at this hour of the morning...or, for that matter, at any other time of day?!

Just to make some people laugh.

649 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 6:35:17am

re: #637 realwest

Good morning y'all - from a COLD (20 degrees, but supposedly going up to 52 degrees) but bright and sunny Charlotte!
How is everyone this morning?

Good Morning Real!

Doing good. 22 here now, not going up to 50.

How's your day looking?

650 godfrey  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 6:35:21am

Obama wants to work with Abbas on

establishing an effective anti-smuggling regime to prevent Hamas from rearming, and facilitating, in partnership with the Palestinian Authority, a major reconstruction effort

Abbas is going to have a cake-walk with this guy.

651 aussiemagpie  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 6:35:34am

re: #625 Who Watches the Watchmen?

I ate a hot dog, it tasted real good
Then I watched a movie from Hollywood
/FZ

Hi, and I'd rather know what you had to eat, not what your President ate!

Obama diet Care factor: ZERO

652 quickjustice  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 6:35:53am

Obama has constructed this facile, public self-image of a simple family guy, an empty suit, burger and waffle-muncher, with a teflon "nothing to see here, move along" style.

Under the surface, there's plenty there. I think it's "soft" revolution, socialism by increments (which always has been Democrat policy), salami technique. Take your enemies apart bit by bit, in thin slices. Never enough to complain about. Smile and be polite and mild-mannered as you slice the salami.

And his opponents will think: "He,y it's just a little slice, not worth fighting over." Over and over again until the whole salami is gone.

Clever.

653 realwest  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 6:35:59am

re: #646 jaunte
Hey there juante! Ya know when I read your comment I thought you said the President seriously needs to be committed! LOL! - Save that one, cause you can never tell when you might need it!

654 Kenneth  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 6:36:07am

re: #633 WriterMom

My loins are always girded. Just in case.

655 Taqiyyotomist  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 6:36:15am

re: #6 pink freud

Great post, pink. I wish there were 58 updings; alas. It's the truth.

656 Syrah  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 6:36:36am

re: #646 jaunte

It's amazing (still) what kind of vague pap makes these kinds of policy speeches.
"The President is seriously committed to working with us."

I think that a lot of people are more moved by the quality of the sound of the words and less by the meaning of the words.

657 [deleted]  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 6:36:37am
658 jaunte  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 6:36:40am

via Rantburg, and al Arabiya:

UN joke of the day:

IAEA to look into Gaza uranium bombs claim.
"We are circulating the letter to member states and will investigate the matter to the extent of our ability," IAEA spokeswoman Melissa Fleming said.

[Link: www.rantburg.com...]

659 godfrey  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 6:36:46am

re: #652 quickjustice

Read Alinsky's Rules for Radicals. All about "the organizer."

660 WriterMom  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 6:36:54am

re: #647 Spenser (with an S)

Oooh you are so lucky. What city are you in? Maybe other lizards would want to go.

661 realwest  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 6:37:01am

re: #648 Wyatt Earp
Or throw up, I suppose. How are you doing today? How's the weather in Philly?

662 WriterMom  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 6:37:10am

re: #654 Kenneth

I bet they are!

663 midwestgak  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 6:37:21am

re: #637 realwest

Good morning to you {real}. New computah keeping up with you?

664 Ayatollah Ghilmeini  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 6:37:21am

Close Guantanamo!

I mean it. Obama is right that we should close this facility ASAP. I beleive the single greatest failing of the Bush administration was the failure to execute or punish any Enemy Combatant.

Every single one of the detainees long ago had their circumstances established. If you were a non-Afghani or not an aid worker in Afghanistan in November 2001 you were guilty of criminal stupidity by being there or complicit in 9-11.

Bush should have had summary trials and executed the majority of them by the end of 2002. The only ones worth keeping alive had intelligence worth keeping them alive. The idea of Khalid Sheikh Mohammed getting away because fools think noncitizen terrorist murderers have rights to anything other than a quick hanging is idiocy writ large. Nothing Obama could do, other than turning the Fifth Fleet over to Bin Laden as his personal yacht club, could more injure American national security than the precedent of wimping out on simple justice. They are not citizens and never were citizens so the US Constitution does not apply to them; they aren't soldiers in an Army nor did they appear on the battlefield as combatants. The laws of war, up until now were clear- when you catch folks like this you can put them against a wall and shoot them on the spot.

And let's talk about torture. I have never been waterboarded and I am sure it is unpleasant. It also leaves no marks or permanent injury. When I think of torture I think of removing fingernails with pliers, iron maidens and electrical shock- all of which leave marks. The people we fight treat every American captured like Daniel Pearl. If the people who defend this country decide they need to waterboard someone to get some info from them or use some CIA cocktail injected into their bloodstream, I know the prisoner is given proper medical treatment and they guy doing it knows he has no other way of getting the information. Yes it sucks to be the guy on the receiving end and I am perfectly fine with the US compensating a wrongly interrogated person. But for the Bin al Shibhs and Sheikh Mohammeds of the world, when they slaughtered 3000 Americans in an attempt to destroy this country, I am confident harsh interrogation does less damage to the constitution than an overt attempt to convert me to Islam against my will.

So now the folks who blinded this nation to the Bin Laden threat are back in the halls of power, moralizing away like they are the stars of a bad episode of The West Wing and they going right back to blinding us to the danger once more, encouraging implacably enemies they need not fear American justice and that one day in the future, a whole bunch of us will get killed. Mrs. Clinton, Mr. Obama, America's enemies do not fear you. They are not intimidated by you in the least. You are not "restoring our reputation," you are weakening our defenses to the delight of Parisian and Islamist intellectuals the world over. They will never like us. They will smile and accept your acts of appeasement while they plot against this country.

This is why liberals can and should never be trusted with any issue involving national security.

665 godfrey  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 6:37:35am

"remaking our country"

Chaos is the best time for making major changes.

666 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 6:37:51am

re: #659 godfrey

Read Alinsky's Rules for Radicals. All about "the organizer."

I did. Everything the O did is right in there. It was downright terrifying.

667 Kenneth  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 6:38:09am

re: #624 Nevergiveup

I pray he is but i doubt it very much also. Which is even more reason for that dope Olmert to just shut the hell up about him.

Amen to that. Olmert is playing into Hamas hands every time he opens his pie-hole.

668 jaunte  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 6:38:12am

re: #653 realwest

Good morning realwest! Hope you're having s good day today.

669 WriterMom  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 6:38:18am

re: #664 Ayatollah Ghilmeini

failure to execute or punish

My preference would be to execute. Zero recidivism rate.

670 realwest  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 6:38:26am

re: #649 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret) Hey LT! Day is shaping up ok - hope it does get to 50+ degrees, be nice to spend a day without my bones aching! How are you today? What's it supposed to get up to in your neck of the woods?

671 Spenser (with an S)  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 6:39:09am

re: #660 WriterMom

re: #647 Spenser (with an S)

Oooh you are so lucky. What city are you in? Maybe other lizards would want to go.

Ms. Ali will be speaking in Grand Rapids in the West Michigan area. For free at a lunchtime lecture series at Calvin College.

672 realwest  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 6:40:19am

re: #650 godfrey
Well if Obama can pull that off, then all he has to do is dismantle Fatah.
Good luck with any of it, Mr. President.
Tool.

673 aussiemagpie  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 6:40:21am

re: #637 realwest

Good morning y'all - from a COLD (20 degrees, but supposedly going up to 52 degrees) but bright and sunny Charlotte!
How is everyone this morning?

*Smooch* left cheek, and g'day {darls}

Hot weather here, and it's still very warm tonight! Love summer!

674 Wyatt Earp  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 6:40:33am

re: #661 realwest

Or throw up, I suppose. How are you doing today? How's the weather in Philly?

About 20 degrees of global warming, but it's going up to a balmy 30-ish. Good morning, by the way!

675 DeafDog  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 6:40:54am

re: #604 verbatim

He'll be the whipping boy for the next four years, if the One can't the ship turned around.

Based on his rhetoric and the the team of econmic experts he is surrounded with, there is absolutely no chance that Obama can turn the ship around.

We have 250 years of economic history. Government subsidies encourage behavior that is being subsidized. Taxes discourage the behavior being taxes. Obama's rhetoric is to increase subsidies on unproductive behavior, and to increase taxes on productive behavior. So, his proposals - at the margin - will increase sloth and decrese productivity. That's basically economic fact.

Obama's main two economic advisers (Geithner and Summers) were in the middle of creating the current mess - Geithner as head of the NY Fed and Summers with the Financial System re-write in 1998 that was a large part in creating these huge banks that were - in theory - too big to fail.

The American Economy is awesome and Americans are optimists, so the Economy may turn around...but it will not be because of Obama.

Bush is history. He gets blame for 6 months. Once this silly Trillion $ stimulous bill passes, Obama owns the economy.

676 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 6:40:56am

re: #625 Who Watches the Watchmen?

I ate a hot dog, it tasted real good
Then I watched a movie from Hollywood
/FZ

Isn't it odd that the same people who praise the Indians for using every part of a buffalo are the same ones who are disgusted by what's in a hot dog?
/not my line, but a good one nonetheless.

677 godfrey  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 6:41:15am

re: #664 Ayatollah Ghilmeini

The hard Left doesn't want "national security." They don't want nations, period, they want *power*, centralized and omnicompetent.

"America" is just a phase. The goal is to take down American dominance several pegs, to create more chaos, and then say the only way to solve problems is through World Government.

Sounds crazy, but that is the goal, and plenty of people are working very hard to achieve this.

678 Kenneth  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 6:41:17am

re: #634 Syrah

The new "robust" diplomacy will have a a quality of hopeychangeyness that has been lacking up to now.

Teddy Roosevelt understood what robust diplomacy was, "Walk softly and carry a big stick."

Obama seems to think it means, "talk endlessly and act like a big dick".

679 realwest  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 6:41:21am

re: #651 aussiemagpie
Hey {aussie} How are you *smooch* this early A.M.?
Got your glass of Chardy at hand?

680 midwestgak  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 6:41:33am

re: #656 Syrah

I think that a lot of people are more moved by the quality of the sound of the words and less by the meaning of the words.

Hi Syrah - next time he gives a speech, pay attention to the ending. He gets louder and louder and his gestures become more animated. Reminds me of how dictators rouse the crowds.

681 bellamags  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 6:41:44am

re: #664 Ayatollah Ghilmeini

that's a great post.

682 quickjustice  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 6:41:47am

re: #659 godfrey

From [Link: theobamafile.com...]

"Both the CCRC and the DCP were built on the Alinsky model of community agitation, wherein paid organizers learned how to "rub raw the sores of discontent," in Alinsky's words.

Alinsky viewed as supremely important the role of the organizer, or master manipulator, whose guidance was responsible for setting the agendas of the People’s Organization. "The organizer," Alinsky wrote, "is in a true sense reaching for the highest level for which man can reach -- to create, to be a 'great creator,' to play God."

One of Obama's early mentors in the Alinsky method was Mike Kruglik, who had this to say to an interviewer of The New Republic, about Obama:

"He was a natural, the undisputed master of agitation, who could engage a room full of recruiting targets in a rapid-fire Socratic dialogue, nudging them to admit that they were not living up to their own standards. As with the panhandler, he could be aggressive and confrontational. With probing, sometimes personal questions, he would pinpoint the source of pain in their lives, tearing down their egos just enough before dangling a carrot of hope that they could make things better."

The agitator's job, according to Alinsky, is first to bring folks to the "realization" that they are indeed miserable, that their misery is the fault of unresponsive governments or greedy corporations, then help them to bond together to demand what they deserve, and to make such an almighty stink that the dastardly governments and corporations will see imminent "self-interest" in granting whatever it is that will cause the harassment to cease.

In these methods, euphemistically labeled "community organizing," Obama had a four-year education, which he often says was the best education he ever got anywhere.

For three years Barack Obama was the director of Developing Communities Project, an institutionally based community organization on Chicago’s far south side. He has also been a consultant and instructor for the Gamaliel Foundation, an organizing institute working throughout the Midwest."

683 godfrey  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 6:42:13am

re: #672 realwest

Never happen. "Working productively with Fatah" gives Obama all kinds of brownie points and political cover.

685 HoosierHoops  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 6:42:47am

Good Morning Lizards!
How is everyone this fine day? The Girl in the cube next to me went for Starbucks..I'm looking forward to a triple shot Hazlenut Latte in a few minutes...

686 realwest  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 6:43:05am

re: #652 quickjustice
HI qj! Hate to start the morning being disagreeable, but "Under the surface, there's nothing plenty there." is much more accurate, I think.

687 Spenser (with an S)  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 6:43:11am
Ms. Ali will be speaking in Grand Rapids in the West Michigan area. For free at a lunchtime lecture series at Calvin College.

Yes, the same Calvin College that had some students and faculty embarrass us when President Bush gave their Commencement Address. A school of 4,000 students and the freakin' Leader of the Free World (will we have to change that title now?) wants to speak at your graduation? You just say "Thank you". Fake Christians who pretended they just wanted peace but really hated him from day 1.

688 DeafDog  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 6:43:14am

re: #613 Nevergiveup

Obama to Close Guantanamo and Foreign Prisons, Limit CIA Methods

Obama is expected to sign "several" executive orders Thursday, directing the CIA to close secret foreign prisons and Guantanamo Bay, and limiting detention and interrogation methods.

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

I feel an breeze on my neck. Is there an ill wind blowing?

Obama & Co are nitwits!

The major beef against Bush was that these detainees were not getting their days in court.

Obama's solution - stop the trials.

Lunacy.

689 Wyatt Earp  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 6:43:27am

re: #678 Kenneth

Teddy Roosevelt understood what robust diplomacy was, "Walk softly and carry a big stick."

Obama seems to think it means, "talk endlessly and act like a big dick".

Mentioning Teddy Roosevelt and Obama in the same sentence should be a felony.

690 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 6:43:46am

re: #664 Ayatollah Ghilmeini

One again, we need a "too f*cking right" button for posts like yours. A simple "upding" doesn't do it justice.

691 Miss Trixie  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 6:43:49am

&#9834 &#9836 Good morning, {lizards!} &#9836 &#9834

I'm in training alll day and we've a break right now so I say herro.

{realwest} Morning, hunnie! *smoochie-smooch* Keeping warm? :D

692 bellamags  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 6:43:55am

re: #685 HoosierHoops

Good Morning Lizards!
How is everyone this fine day? The Girl in the cube next to me went for Starbucks..I'm looking forward to a triple shot Hazlenut Latte in a few minutes...

Hey there Hoops. I caved. I went to Sbux this morning.

693 realwest  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 6:44:11am

re: #654 Kenneth
Hey Kenneth! Uh, if your loins are always girded, how do ya pee, uh, deal with everyday occurances?!

694 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 6:44:13am

re: #689 Wyatt Earp

Mentioning Teddy Roosevelt and Obama in the same sentence should be a felony.

Calm down. Two sentences.

/

695 DeafDog  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 6:44:30am

re: #615 Syrah

There was this in the news yesterday.

That's absolutely correct.

Summers, in particular, wrote all of the 'deregulatory' laws that Obama & Co are complaining about.

696 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 6:44:36am

re: #678 Kenneth

re: #634 Syrah

The new "robust" diplomacy will have a a quality of hopeychangeyness that has been lacking up to now.

Teddy Roosevelt understood what robust diplomacy was, "Walk softly and carry a big stick."

Obama seems to think it means, "talk endlessly and act like a big dick".

And Hilary's motto is "Screech loudly & cut off his..."

697 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 6:45:03am

re: #670 realwest

Hey LT! Day is shaping up ok - hope it does get to 50+ degrees, be nice to spend a day without my bones aching! How are you today? What's it supposed to get up to in your neck of the woods?

In theory, 43. Maybe... for a minute or two. We still have a complete snow cover which is odd for us... our winters are mud as far as the eye can see yet extremely cold temps.

Doing good. My back went out yesterday, spent the evening unable to get up, but is better now.

698 verbatim  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 6:45:17am

re: #675 DeafDog


Bush is history. He gets blame for 6 months. Once this silly Trillion $ stimulous bill passes, Obama owns the economy.

These Knuckle-boobs are naive, frothy-mouthed, ideologues with a severe case of BDS. Anything and everything that gets in the way of our "Return to Bliss" will be blamed on GWB.

699 quickjustice  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 6:46:07am

re: #686 realwest

You buy into the "Obama is just an empty suit" meme?

700 HoosierHoops  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 6:46:17am

re: #692 bellamags

Hey there Hoops. I caved. I went to Sbux this morning.


I know..It was a Kona day for sure..But the temptation of a starbucks delivered is too good to pass up..
Good Morning Bella!

701 godfrey  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 6:46:23am

re: #682 quickjustice

Exactly. Read the book.

Alinsky is a realist, successful, and very good at rationalizing bully tactics. Obama and Hillary are disciples, and they don't give a rat's ass about "democracy."

702 realwest  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 6:46:24am

re: #656 Syrah Morning Syrah - I think you've hit on something there - Obama's oratory and choice or words, cadence and what not allow folks to read into what he's saying damn near anything positive they want to. And I do think that's by design, not a "natural gift" for him.

703 Syrah  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 6:46:24am

re: #680 midwestgak

Hi Syrah - next time he gives a speech, pay attention to the ending. He gets louder and louder and his gestures become more animated. Reminds me of how dictators rouse the crowds.

Obama gives great speech.

He has the most dangerous teleprompter in the world.

704 midwestgak  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 6:46:41am

re: #685 HoosierHoops

Good Morning Lizards!
How is everyone this fine day? The Girl in the cube next to me went for Starbucks..I'm looking forward to a triple shot Hazlenut Latte in a few minutes...

Morning {HH}. Enjoy.

705 DeafDog  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 6:47:01am

re: #633 WriterMom

Gird yer loins.

Obama's First Call As President To Foreign Leader: To Holocaust Denying Terrorist Jew-Killer

"Gird yer loins"

Is today "talk like a pirate" day?

706 aussiemagpie  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 6:47:03am

re: #679 realwest

Hey {aussie} How are you *smooch* this early A.M.?
Got your glass of Chardy at hand?

Of course. darls! And it's very refreshing too!

How are your three friends doing? I missed the updates...

707 Wyatt Earp  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 6:47:33am

re: #705 DeafDog

"Gird yer loins"

Is today "talk like a pirate" day?

Aargh!

708 [deleted]  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 6:47:36am
709 faraway  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 6:48:04am

Pelosi said one of her favorite moments from Inauguration Day was when Marine One lifted off the Capitol grounds, signifying former President George W. Bush's exit from Washington. "It felt like a 10-pound anvil was lifted off my head," she said.

710 WriterMom  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 6:48:23am

re: #705 DeafDog

Well, I thought it was more polite than "holy shit, look what this asshole is doing".

711 midwestgak  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 6:48:43am

re: #697 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

Doing good. My back went out yesterday, spent the evening unable to get up, but is better now.

Take good care of yourself {Vet}.

712 realwest  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 6:48:44am

re: #663 midwestgak
ROFL! Morning gak! This computer - like every other computer I've ever owned, usually sits around, probably wondering, "when's this guy gonna DO something, type something, anything at all. Geez this is B-O-R-I-N-G!" LOL!

714 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 6:49:37am

re: #700 HoosierHoops

Morning Hoops!

How's Indy today?

715 HoosierHoops  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 6:49:51am

re: #704 midwestgak

Morning {HH}. Enjoy.

Good Morning Gak! Hurrah! The coffee is here!

716 apachegunner  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 6:51:01am

re: #636 VioletTiger

I just bought this book last week. Plan to cozy up to a fire this weekend to read it.

Man oh man that book took up many, many nights to ingest. It is so current and written sooo long ago. Read it!

717 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 6:51:27am

re: #708 Iron Fist

I'm not an economist, either, but I think that what will come from that is called Inflation. Fortunately, we have the One in office. He'll deal firmly with maliase while mandating that we lower our thermostats during the winter and raise them during the summer. Untermenchen should always be uncomfortable.

He's still working on his plans to ration gasoline. Just give him time. It takes time and effort to fuck up an economy as thoroughly as Obama intends to fuck up ours.

Well, at least he intends to do a good job of fucking it up.

/I'm going to get into the ration coupon black market. I almost never drive anyway, so I can sell my "fair share" for big bucks...

718 Wyatt Earp  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 6:51:38am

re: #709 faraway

Pelosi said one of her favorite moments from Inauguration Day was when Marine One lifted off the Capitol grounds, signifying former President George W. Bush's exit from Washington. "It felt like a 10-pound anvil was lifted off my head," she said.

Where is Wile E. Coyote when you need him? Pelosi could use a delivery from Acme.

719 Syrah  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 6:51:43am

re: #702 realwest

Morning Syrah - I think you've hit on something there - Obama's oratory and choice or words, cadence and what not allow folks to read into what he's saying damn near anything positive they want to. And I do think that's by design, not a "natural gift" for him.

I think that he has practiced and been coached for this.

He has a hundred fold of the quality that Bush lacked, that is the ability to stand in front of a crowd and argue for his policies.

He will be like a god in politics.

720 OldLineTexan  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 6:51:56am
721 Ojoe  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 6:51:57am

re: #701 godfrey

Alinsky approach profoundly disrespectful of other human beings and thus very Un-Christian. I read his book in college. I think he leads ultimately nowhere.

722 bellamags  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 6:52:28am

re: #709 faraway

Pelosi said one of her favorite moments from Inauguration Day was when Marine One lifted off the Capitol grounds, signifying former President George W. Bush's exit from Washington. "It felt like a 10-pound anvil was lifted off my head," she said.

Pelosi: "I don't know that he's made that decision," she said. "It's my view that (tax cuts for the wealthy) are big contributors to the national debt."

moron. what a frikin idiot. scary that woman has power.

723 Bloodnok  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 6:52:37am

Ugh. I just got to my sister's house where I will be dogsitting for a few days and there's a fridge full of 0bama Pepsi. I KNOW there's a message there from my ACLU card-carrying B-I-L. Won't. Be. Touched.

724 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 6:52:43am

re: #711 midwestgak

Doing good. My back went out yesterday, spent the evening unable to get up, but is better now.

Take good care of yourself {Vet}.

Thanks, my wife just rolls her eyes. I play at bodybuilding, definitely not "low impact", drives her crazy. :-)

725 midwestgak  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 6:52:48am

re: #719 Syrah

I think that he has practiced and been coached for this.

He will be like a god in politics.

um, WILL be?/

726 Nevergiveup  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 6:52:51am

re: #709 faraway

Pelosi said one of her favorite moments from Inauguration Day was when Marine One lifted off the Capitol grounds, signifying former President George W. Bush's exit from Washington. "It felt like a 10-pound anvil was lifted off my head," she said.

Pelosi has no class.

727 realwest  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 6:53:07am

re: #664 Ayatollah Ghilmeini Good morning. I agree with most of what you said, but don't understand this: "nor did they appear on the battlefield as combatants." I thought the vast majority of them were in fact captured during a battle (or running from a battle)? Is that wrong?
I also agree that if the CIA or whomever haven't gotten all of the useful intelligence there is outta this clowns by now, they never will.

728 WriterMom  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 6:53:10am

re: #720 OldLineTexan

So was Jewsus.

This kind of idiocy is offensive no matter what religion you are.

729 Syrah  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 6:53:13am

re: #721 Ojoe

Alinsky approach profoundly disrespectful of other human beings and thus very Un-Christian. I read his book in college. I think he leads ultimately nowhere.

Alinsky's god is power.

730 DeafDog  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 6:53:22am

re: #698 verbatim

These Knuckle-boobs are naive, frothy-mouthed, ideologues with a severe case of BDS. Anything and everything that gets in the way of our "Return to Bliss" will be blamed on GWB.

Maybe.

But Bush is out. It'll take a while for the BDS to subside, but since we will not have Bush on TV every night, I think it will fade.

Conversely, Obama will be on the TV every night. And - unlike the campaign where he could say/do anything without consequence - now his words and actions have an impact.

6 months...that's my story and I'm sticking with it.

731 bellamags  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 6:53:26am

re: #715 HoosierHoops

Good Morning Gak! Hurrah! The coffee is here!

Take a sip for me! yummy

732 Wyatt Earp  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 6:53:39am

re: #723 Bloodnok

Ugh. I just got to my sister's house where I will be dogsitting for a few days and there's a fridge full of 0bama Pepsi. I KNOW there's a message there from my ACLU card-carrying B-I-L. Won't. Be. Touched.

On your last day, shake up the cans!

733 HoosierHoops  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 6:53:46am

re: #714 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

Morning Hoops!

How's Indy today?

Good Morning Lt.!
A warm front is sweeping through Indiana.. The high will be 41.
There is a cold front right behind it..
Dear Al Gore
Deliver us from the cold, The ice and the snow, the grey skys.
Deliver us to Hawaii..In the name of Obama, Pelosi and Reid

734 Kenneth  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 6:53:56am

re: #664 Ayatollah Ghilmeini

Great post, as always.

And let's talk about torture. I have never been waterboarded and I am sure it is unpleasant.

The CIA waterboarded 3 people. In each case all other methods had failed to break the terrorist and make him talk. In each case the decision was made to use the most serious form of coercive interrogation allowed by US law, waterboarding. In each case, the terrorist was subjected only once and they talked. In each case the terrorists revealed information about plots, people and locations which allowed US intelligence to foil terrorism. The use of waterboarding saved the lives of hundred, perhaps thousands of innocent people. The practice had been approved by presidential directive and approved by the congressional intelligence committee. Nobody objected to it. Some members even asked if it was enough.

Now Obama is going to outlaw the practice and to continue the false pretence that his party has always been against it. By removing this important, if rarely used, tool from use by US intelligence, the terrorists will gain a significant advantage. As a consequence, some future terrorist plots will be successful and innocent people will die.

735 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 6:53:56am

re: #698 verbatim

These Knuckle-boobs are naive, frothy-mouthed, ideologues with a severe case of BDS. Anything and everything that gets in the way of our "Return to Bliss" will be blamed on GWB.

Exactly. See the narrative, accepted by most Americans, about the Great Depression & Hoover.

736 WriterMom  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 6:54:00am

re: #698 verbatim

Knuckle-boobs

LOL.

737 realwest  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 6:54:03am

re: #668 jaunte So far, so good! How's about yourownself?

738 Ojoe  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 6:54:17am

re: #726 Nevergiveup

No class at all. The country needs mutual respect from all to all, not derision.

739 jaunte  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 6:54:40am

re: #721 Ojoe

It's difficult to see how real leadership can come from such a zero-sum approach. It seems ultimately to be parasitic.

740 Wyatt Earp  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 6:54:54am

re: #726 Nevergiveup

Pelosi has no class.

She's like school in the summertime.

741 bellamags  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 6:55:28am

re: #723 Bloodnok

Ugh. I just got to my sister's house where I will be dogsitting for a few days and there's a fridge full of 0bama Pepsi. I KNOW there's a message there from my ACLU card-carrying B-I-L. Won't. Be. Touched.

when no one is looking, take them outside and poke two holes in each can with a pin and let the fluid drain out. then put them back in the fridge. that will make them "Obama" Pepsi. Nothing but air.

742 Ojoe  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 6:55:41am

re: #729 Syrah

I do recall that he mentions Satan in the closing paragraphs of "Rules for Radicals".

BBL

To work for me.

Such work as there remains, it is running out.

743 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 6:56:06am

re: #721 Ojoe

Alinsky approach profoundly disrespectful of other human beings and thus very Un-Christian. I read his book in college. I think he leads ultimately nowhere.

Just like Obama, actually.

The whole book was designed as a plan to undermine the system so the "organizer" can get the change he wants.

Nowhere in there is even the slightest hint about what that change might be or that some change might be good while others not. It matters not, the goal is just to change what is into something else.

744 [deleted]  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 6:56:12am
745 Wyatt Earp  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 6:56:13am

re: #741 bellamags

when no one is looking, take them outside and poke two holes in each can with a pin and let the fluid drain out. then put them back in the fridge. that will make them "Obama" Pepsi. Nothing but air.


Friggin'. Brilliant! :)

746 jaunte  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 6:56:23am

re: #737 realwest

Good here; beautiful weather, so I'm taking a day off to do some repair work on the house. I'm just procrastinating over coffee, now.

747 realwest  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 6:56:27am

re: #674 Wyatt Earp Good morning indeed! Warming up to the mid-30's? Geez and it's not even February yet! Maybe Al Gore was right!
No, wait, Al Gore and Right in the same sentence doesn't compute - you're just having a temporary break in the weather there!

748 redstateredneck  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 6:56:42am

re: #734 Kenneth
One of the guys on Fox News was waterboarded. Steve Harrigan? Anyway, he had them stop. If he'd been a terrorist, he would have been spilling his guts. Thing is, it was scary as hell, but DID NO HARM.

749 Kenneth  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 6:56:44am

re: #684 WriterMom

Susan Sarandon: Obama Is Like Jesus...Other Celebs: America "Finally Growing Up"

///Of course Obama is like Jesus, he's Black too!

750 Miss Trixie  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 6:56:49am

BDVM

Isn't it odd that the same people who praise the Indians for using every part of a buffalo are the same ones who are disgusted by what's in a hot dog?
/not my line, but a good one nonetheless.

Brilliant - I'm gonna use that one.

*applause*

751 Spenser (with an S)  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 6:56:54am

re: #734 Kenneth


The CIA waterboarded 3 people. In each case all other methods had failed to break the terrorist and make him talk. In each case the decision was made to use the most serious form of coercive interrogation allowed by US law, waterboarding. In each case, the terrorist was subjected only once and they talked. In each case the terrorists revealed information about plots, people and locations which allowed US intelligence to foil terrorism. The use of waterboarding saved the lives of hundred, perhaps thousands of innocent people. The practice had been approved by presidential directive and approved by the congressional intelligence committee. Nobody objected to it. Some members even asked if it was enough.

Not doubting you even a little, but do you have a source for this so I can retell it?

752 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 6:56:55am

re: #729 Syrah

Alinsky's god is power.

Good summary. Upding!

753 midwestgak  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 6:57:07am

re: #730 DeafDog

Maybe.


Conversely, Obama will be on the TV every night.

Anyone see CSPAN last night? Representative requesting 25M for broadband service to become available to low density areas. Obama must reach every living soul in America. Scary.

754 Bloodnok  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 6:57:25am

re: #741 bellamags

when no one is looking, take them outside and poke two holes in each can with a pin and let the fluid drain out. then put them back in the fridge. that will make them "Obama" Pepsi. Nothing but air.

Genius!

755 DeafDog  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 6:57:28am

re: #703 Syrah

Obama gives great speech.

I'd like to raise a thought that I've not seen before, that challenges that conventional wisdom.

IMO, Obama gives a good campaign speech.

I have not seen him give a speech outside of a campaign environment that was moving. Granted, he's only had a couple of opportunities - Tuesday and when he accepted the Dem nomination - but neither was that good.

756 Wyatt Earp  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 6:57:37am

re: #747 realwest

Good morning indeed! Warming up to the mid-30's? Geez and it's not even February yet! Maybe Al Gore was right!
No, wait, Al Gore and Right in the same sentence doesn't compute - you're just having a temporary break in the weather there!

Yeah, that's what I assumed. We still have some snow left from last week. I guess all of the global warming isn't melting it like it's melting the glaciers.

757 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 6:57:42am

re: #733 HoosierHoops

Good Morning Lt.!
A warm front is sweeping through Indiana.. The high will be 41.
There is a cold front right behind it..
Dear Al Gore
Deliver us from the cold, The ice and the snow, the grey skys.
Deliver us to Hawaii..In the name of Obama, Pelosi and Reid

Amen.

758 MandyManners  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 6:57:53am

re: #659 godfrey

Read Alinsky's Rules for Radicals. All about "the organizer."

In 1985, Barack Obama traveled halfway across the country to take a job that he didn't fully understand. But, while he knew little about his new vocation--community organizer--it still had a romantic ring, at least to his 24-year-old ears. With his old classmates from Columbia, he had talked frequently about political change. Now, he was moving to Chicago to put that talk into action. His 1995 memoir, Dreams from My Father, recounts his idealistic effusions: "Change won't come from the top, I would say. Change will come from a mobilized grass roots. That's what I'll do. I'll organize black folks. At the grass roots. For change."

His excitement wasn't rooted merely in youthful enthusiasm but also in the psychology of a vagabond. By 1985, Obama had already lived in Hawaii, where he was born and raised by his white mother and grandparents; Indonesia, where he lived briefly as a child; Los Angeles, where he started college; and New York, where he finished it. After these itinerant years, he would finally be able to insinuate himself into a community--and not just any community, but, as he later put it, "the capital of the African American community in the country." Every strain of black political thought seemed to converge in Chicago in the 1980s. It was the intellectual center of black nationalism, the base both for Jesse Jackson's presidential campaigns and for Louis Farrakhan's Nation of Islam. Moreover, on the eve of Obama's arrival, Harold Washington had overthrown Richard J. Daley's white ethnic machine to become the city's first black mayor. It was, in short, an ideal place for an identity-starved Kenyan Kansan to immerse himself in a more typical black American experience.

Not long after Obama arrived, he sat down for a cup of coffee in Hyde Park with a fellow organizer named Mike Kruglik. Obama's work focused on helping poor blacks on Chicago's South Side fight the city for things like job banks and asbestos removal. His teachers were schooled in a style of organizing devised by Saul Alinsky, the radical University of Chicago-trained social scientist. At the heart of the Alinsky method is the concept of "agitation"-- making someone angry enough about the rotten state of his life that he agrees to take action to change it; or, as Alinsky himself described the job, to "rub raw the sores of discontent."

SNIP

759 realwest  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 6:58:00am

re: #678 Kenneth
Indeed, I am afraid you're correct about both President Teddy and Obama.
Sigh.

760 bellamags  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 6:58:02am

re: #745 Wyatt Earp

thanks wyatt (*kiss*)

761 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 6:58:52am

re: #734 Kenneth

Great post, as always.

The CIA waterboarded 3 people. In each case all other methods had failed to break the terrorist and make him talk. In each case the decision was made to use the most serious form of coercive interrogation allowed by US law, waterboarding. In each case, the terrorist was subjected only once and they talked. In each case the terrorists revealed information about plots, people and locations which allowed US intelligence to foil terrorism. The use of waterboarding saved the lives of hundred, perhaps thousands of innocent people. The practice had been approved by presidential directive and approved by the congressional intelligence committee. Nobody objected to it. Some members even asked if it was enough.

Now Obama is going to outlaw the practice and to continue the false pretence that his party has always been against it. By removing this important, if rarely used, tool from use by US intelligence, the terrorists will gain a significant advantage. As a consequence, some future terrorist plots will be successful and innocent people will die.

Change you can believe in!

762 bellamags  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 6:59:22am

re: #754 Bloodnok

if you do it, take hidden video (no audio) - that would be illegal.

763 Kenneth  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 6:59:23am

re: #709 faraway

Pelosi said ..."It felt like a 10-pound anvil was lifted off my head," she said.

Maybe you should cut back on the botox, Nancy.

764 smokefire  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 6:59:47am

re: #749 Kenneth

///Of course Obama is like Jesus, he's Black too!

...gee I always thought he was blonde haired and blue eyed. At least thats what the nuns use to tell us.

765 realwest  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 7:00:09am

re: #680 midwestgak
That's also, strangely enough, how Evangelical type preachers preach! Doens't matter what religion, just before they ask ya for your money they do that increased volume and increased gesticulating.
Less, of course, they're gonna lay hands on and heal ya. Then they send a bill.

766 [deleted]  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 7:00:19am
767 shiplord kirel  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 7:00:21am

re: #709 faraway

Pelosi said one of her favorite moments from Inauguration Day was when Marine One lifted off the Capitol grounds, signifying former President George W. Bush's exit from Washington. "It felt like a 10-pound anvil was lifted off my head," she said.

I guess an anvil is one of her plastic surgeon's favorite tools.

768 Wyatt Earp  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 7:00:39am

re: #763 Kenneth

Maybe you should cut back on the botox, Nancy.

And have her face drag along the ground behind her? No chance of that.

769 midwestgak  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 7:01:19am

re: #765 realwest

That's also, strangely enough, how Evangelical type preachers preach! Doens't matter what religion, just before they ask ya for your money they do that increased volume and increased gesticulating.
Less, of course, they're gonna lay hands on and heal ya. Then they send a bill.

lol

770 realwest  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 7:01:32am

re: #685 HoosierHoops
Hey Hoops! Good morning and as long as y'all don't patronize Starbuck's personally, I reckon that's ok!
:)

771 lawhawk  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 7:01:34am

So, Obama is already about to overhaul national security. He's going to own the results of this action, but note also that he's given himself an out on the Gitmo closure.

He's going to spend time studying the problem and seeing whether other facilities would suffice to store these terrorists. That study might not exactly work out to the benefit of the hysterical left who think the myth of Gitmo is worse than the reality.

Gitmo is home to terrorists who engage in jihad. They seek death and mayhem, and were caught by the US on the battlefields around the world. They plot terror attacks and send other jihadis to carry out missions.

These are not good people. They are evil.

And thinking that putting them into another prison facility doesn't change that basic fact. They're still terrorists who don't deserve Constitutional protections or protections beyond what is provided in the Geneva Conventions. As it is, the US already exceeds both and has since Gitmo was established for the purpose of holding such terrorists.

ACLUers are concerned that these terrorists might be detained indefinitely? Big deal. We've already seen terrorists return to jihad against the US after being released from Gitmo and other prisons around the world. This is their calling and their war against us. Detaining them in a facility where they get 3 squares and a cot is far more humane than any of these jihadis would treat any of us should we find ourselves on the receiving end of a suicide bombing, mass casualty attack, kidnapping, etc. We wont get Geneva Protections, Red Cross access, or meals.

We will be treated to a close shave that results in the parting of our head from the rest of our body. Daniel Pearl was a warning. Nicolas Berg was a warning. These terrorists think nothing of dismembering those they capture. It's what they do. And the sooner that Obama realizes this, the better.

772 smokefire  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 7:01:41am

Morning all. Blue Star and Red letter day.

I finally go back to work, after month plus out from on the job injury. Got to pay for all that free stuff.

773 Miss Trixie  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 7:02:15am

Ack! Back to course ...

Later gators ...

774 DeafDog  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 7:03:01am

re: #744 Iron Fist

I agree with your sentiment, but what happened at Abu Grahab was not govt. sanctioned. That was a few GIs that did not understand their role and who had poor leadership. Abu Grahab is a stain that took a long time for us to overcome.

775 redstateredneck  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 7:03:13am

re: #764 smokefire

...gee I always thought he was blonde haired and blue eyed. At least thats what the nuns use to tell us.

That picture of Jesus that looks like his high school yearbook picture?
:D

776 Syrah  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 7:03:22am

re: #755 DeafDog

I'd like to raise a thought that I've not seen before, that challenges that conventional wisdom.

IMO, Obama gives a good campaign speech.

I have not seen him give a speech outside of a campaign environment that was moving. Granted, he's only had a couple of opportunities - Tuesday and when he accepted the Dem nomination - but neither was that good.

He is well practiced now.

Every speech will be a campaign speech. Were Marxist had the endless revolution, Democrats have the endless campaign.

Not every speech he will give will be a leg tingler, but many of them will be perceived that way, and importantly, ALL of them will be reported that way by the MSM.

Obama will be a Sorelian myth in his every step and in his every utterance.

777 ciaospirit  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 7:03:34am
preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States

Funny B Hussein had to pledge something twice that he doesn't believe. Preserve? The guy is on record saying the Constitution is flawed.

778 smokefire  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 7:03:53am

re: #775 redstateredneck

That picture of Jesus that looks like his high school yearbook picture?
:D

...yeah thats the one.

779 Wyatt Earp  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 7:03:57am

re: #777 ciaospirit

Funny B Hussein had to pledge something twice that he doesn't believe. Preserve? The guy is on record saying the Constitution is flawed.

So is he.

780 realwest  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 7:04:02am

re: #691 {Miss Trixie} Whoa, well I'm a heck of a lot warmer than I was before those smoochies! And of course *smooch* right back to you!
I'm doing ok today - how are you doing, gorgeous?

781 midwestgak  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 7:04:14am

re: #772 smokefire

Glad your feeling better.

782 DeafDog  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 7:04:45am

re: #684 WriterMom

Susan Sarandon: Obama Is Like Jesus...Other Celebs: America "Finally Growing Up"


Soon, they will start saying that "Jesus is just like Obama"

783 nyc redneck  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 7:05:35am

re: #684 WriterMom

Susan Sarandon: Obama Is Like Jesus...Other Celebs: America "Finally Growing Up"

when i read stuff like this, i take heart that 47% (iirc) of us did not vote for the zero and hearing him compared to jesus is wildly absurd.
laughable, inappropriate and really makes susan sarandon look like a blithering idiot. not to mention a dumb b*tch.

784 realwest  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 7:05:38am

re: #697 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret) Huh. How did your back go out? Didja lend it the car again?!? - no, seriously, does this happen often to you?

785 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 7:05:52am

re: #771 lawhawk

Take the Jihadis back to the battlefield, say 1,000 meters in front of an American position. Give them an AK-47 and one magazine of 10 bullets.

/problem takes care of itself when they launch their obligatory banzai charge.

786 opnion  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 7:06:01am

Good morning Lizards. Day three, America held hostage!

787 midwestgak  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 7:06:02am

re: #781 midwestgak

Glad youryou're feeling better.

seesh.

788 redstateredneck  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 7:06:11am

re: #783 nyc redneck

when i read stuff like this, i take heart that 47% (iirc) of us did not vote for the zero and hearing him compared to jesus is wildly absurd.
laughable, inappropriate and really makes susan sarandon look like a blithering idiot. not to mention a dumb b*tch.

And somebody who obviously doesn't know squat about Jesus.

789 Pietr  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 7:06:23am

Gitmo closure too little, too late, says ex-inmate...
Gitmo

791 smokefire  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 7:06:54am

re: #781 midwestgak

Glad your feeling better.

you and me both. Better half is REALLY happy too.
Work schedule is such that am not home at times.
Those fire house work schedules can be a pain, but I'm so use to it, that being home day in and day out, gets boring. Damn what is retirement going to be like.

[smokefire stands at Wal-Mart entrance, Welcome to Wal-Mart]

792 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 7:07:06am

re: #774 DeafDog

I agree with your sentiment, but what happened at Abu Grahab was not govt. sanctioned. That was a few GIs that did not understand their role and who had poor leadership. Abu Grahab is a stain that took a long time for us to overcome.

Amazing how that "stain" had longer legs than those jihadi beheading videos...

793 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 7:07:28am

Put in spinoffs as well.
Gaza death toll has been inflated:

The number of Palestinians killed in Operation Cast Lead did not exceed five or six hundred, Lorenzo Cremonesi, a correspondent for Italy's Corriere della sera reported on Thursday.


Another reporter who won't be allowed back in Gaza.

794 godfrey  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 7:07:31am

re: #758 MandyManners

Alinsky says "power first, policy later." That helps to explain why Obama created a policy fog during the campaign. Now, of course, we see some of his first executive orders, which naturally clarify some things.

Alinsky's strategies led to the White House and other high offices. That is hardly "nowhere." They have also done quite a job in Chicago, Rochester, and other places.

Seeing things clearly only gets you so far. At this point, I think his buddies are running the table.

795 redstateredneck  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 7:08:08am

re: #789 Pietr


The closure of the Guantanamo Bay prison will do little to erase the blot on the U.S. rights record unless other U.S. detention centers are also shut and inmates compensated


Over my dead fricken body.

796 DeafDog  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 7:08:15am

re: #776 Syrah

He is well practiced now.

Every speech will be a campaign speech. Were Marxist had the endless revolution, Democrats have the endless campaign.

Not every speech he will give will be a leg tingler, but many of them will be perceived that way, and importantly, ALL of them will be reported that way by the MSM.

Obama will be a Sorelian myth in his every step and in his every utterance.


Maybe, but the applause line in his speeches is always dissing Bush. That's gonna get old quick. He's gonna need to find a new boogeyman

797 [deleted]  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 7:08:36am
798 jorline  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 7:08:45am

I see our new President is busy at work...goodbye safety...hello terrorist!

Obama to Close Guantanamo and Foreign Prisons, Limit CIA Methods

Obama is expected to sign "several" executive orders Thursday, directing the CIA to close secret foreign prisons and Guantanamo Bay, and limiting detention and interrogation methods.

To someone else's point...SOON 24/7
BEE-TV Barack Euphoric Enthusiasm Television.

Good morning, Lizards.

799 MandyManners  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 7:08:51am

Dear Prudence is a flaming idiot. Watch the video "What if Obama Fails?"

(You must wait until the end to get the full impact.)

800 Nevergiveup  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 7:09:00am

re: #790 Ben Hur

Debbie Schlussel: Anti-Semitic Broadcasting Company: ABC's "View" Hags, Comedienne Attack Lubavitch Chassidic Jews

It's really disgusting. The sad part is many "Liberal" " Secular" Jews probably concur!

801 Ojoe  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 7:09:09am

re: #794 godfrey

I should have said "leads nowhere good."

802 realwest  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 7:09:27am

re: #699 quickjustice
Oh, not completely, but he's not exactly a paragon of intelligence or personal courage you know? He had a pretty cushy upbringing (compared to probably half or more of the Blacks in this county) and I'm not sure if he's ever really faced "tough times" and don't know how he'll react when he does. He didn't expect to beat Hillary - when he saw how easy it would be for him, with the full throttle help of the MSM to do so and when he realized there was a TON of money available, is when I think he really decided to RUN.
Let's see how he handles real adversity. I don't think there's a whole lot of there, there.

803 lawhawk  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 7:09:39am

re: #789 Pietr

Gitmo closure too little, too late, says ex-inmate...
Gitmo

I'll see your ex-inmate and raise you. 61 times.

61 detainees released from Gitmo end up back in the Jihad. That's no coincidence.

804 Nevergiveup  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 7:09:41am

re: #795 redstateredneck

Over my dead fricken body.

Well the way Obama is going it may come to that?

805 godfrey  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 7:09:48am

re: #797 ploome hineni

According to his theory of social psychology, people are socialized not by means of ideology, but through a common experience of action.

Alinsky makes a big point of this, too.

806 [deleted]  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 7:09:50am
807 Bubblehead II  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 7:10:01am

Morning all. I thinks this sums things up nicely.

Aerosmith

808 godfrey  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 7:10:32am

re: #801 Ojoe

Such as totalitarianism.

809 Nevergiveup  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 7:10:34am

re: #803 lawhawk

I'll see your ex-inmate and raise you. 61 times.

61 detainees released from Gitmo end up back in the Jihad. That's no coincidence.

61? The real single season home run record?

810 redstateredneck  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 7:10:42am

re: #804 Nevergiveup

Well the way Obama is going it may come to that?

Ack!

811 pbird  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 7:10:50am

re: #22 BlueCanuck

No, no, no. It's the Toronto Make-Beliefs. Get it right or don't get it at all. :)

/could be worse I could be a Philidelphia Criers fan. :D

Hey! We love the Leafs, even when they lose occaisionally.

812 Pietr  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 7:10:55am

re: #786 opnion

Good morning Lizards. Day three, America held hostage!

We'll see how well your count goes, sometime after you go over 20...LOL.

813 Wyatt Earp  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 7:11:00am

re: #803 lawhawk

I'll see your ex-inmate and raise you. 61 times.

61 detainees released from Gitmo end up back in the Jihad. That's no coincidence.

But by all means, let's close Gitmo. Jerkasses.

814 realwest  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 7:11:10am

re: #706 aussiemagpie
Well, knock on wood, they all came through their surgeries just fine - it's the after surgery care that we're concerned with (one chemo, two radiation).
Thanks for asking and remembering!

815 opnion  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 7:11:31am

FNC reporting that Barney Frank had $12M of the bail out money directed to a Boston Bank.
Turns out that this bank is under intense scrutiny by regulators for financial 'Irregularities"
Barney knew this but defends his actions saying that this bank is African American owned & this is you know, social justice.

816 [deleted]  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 7:11:48am
817 shiplord kirel  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 7:11:49am

Good news on the personal front: My younger brother got home from Iraq last night. I was at my mom's house when he called. His battalion had gotten through a one year deployment without a single fatality this time. They did have several wounded, however, including one rather imprudent quartet who were blown up by an IED when they went into town to get burgers at McDonald's. All made full recoveries, but their million dollar MRAP was a total loss, as are their careers.
During his '03-'04 deployment, his earlier battalion lost 18 dead and 87 wounded out of about 850 personnel.

818 Rednek  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 7:12:04am

Such a tacky, graceless woman.

Pelosi said one of her favorite moments from Inauguration Day was when Marine One lifted off the Capitol grounds, signifying former President George W. Bush's exit from Washington. "It felt like a 10-pound anvil was lifted off my head," she said.

819 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 7:12:10am

re: #784 realwest

Huh. How did your back go out? Didja lend it the car again?!? - no, seriously, does this happen often to you?

It's degrading over time. The PT guy I went to last summer attributes it to an injury that occurred in 1998 and will slowly go downhill until surgery is worthwhile.

At this point, I can't stand for very long or sit (pretty much at all) in a regular chair without it taking over. It's a daily thing at this point... I start out fine (like now), but by evening I'm a cripple.

A few months ago, standing was OK (as long as I moved every so often), and sitting was OK (provided I didn't stay there too long). It's worse now.

The injury is from a plane crash I was in up your way, at Chapel Hill, Feb 1998, you probably saw it in the paper.

820 midwestgak  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 7:12:18am

re: #798 jorline

Morning {jorline}. Glad to see you.

821 albusteve  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 7:12:22am

re: #782 DeafDog

Soon, they will start saying that "Jesus is just like Obama"

"I don't care if it rains or freezes, long as I got my plastic Jesus sittin on the dashboard of my car"...

Arlo Guthrie?
so true

822 Syrah  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 7:12:22am

re: #796 DeafDog

Maybe, but the applause line in his speeches is always dissing Bush. That's gonna get old quick. He's gonna need to find a new boogeyman

I think that Bush will have remarkable staying power as the scapegoat.

When it wears thin, the left will find others to take Bush's place. I think that they know more about the arts of casting blame then anything else. They are good at it.

823 DeafDog  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 7:12:28am

re: #792 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

Amazing how that "stain" had longer legs than those jihadi beheading videos...

The NYT treatment of the topic was dispicable, but I am trusting Michael Yon on the topic. IMO, when it comes to Iraq and the GWOT, he is truely "the most trusted name in news."

Yon says that Iraqi's new what was going on there long before the pitcures came public and it undermined the US goodwill. Totten and Rogio said similar things.

824 ciaospirit  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 7:12:57am

re: #758 MandyManners

His goal was to "organize black folks." But he's not racist and his campaign wasn't about race.

People really are that dumb and/or willfully blind.

825 Learned Mother of Zion  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 7:13:32am
826 godfrey  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 7:13:38am

re: #802 realwest

I'm not confident in many of the people he's put around him, either. There will be many, many mistakes, but the MSM will provide cover and celebrities will fawn. That will go a long way toward keeping his perceived stature high.

I look forward to his press conferences under pressure -- if he ever has them.

827 Kenneth  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 7:14:14am

re: #751 Spenser (with an S)

This source at Wikipedia is very anti-Bush, but after the exageration & distortions it does contain some real facts. The source should help molify moonbat moaning about the veracity of the facts:

On February 6, 2008, the CIA director General Michael Hayden stated that the CIA had used waterboarding on three prisoners during 2002 and 2003, namely Khalid Shaikh Mohammed, Abu Zubayda and Abd al-Rahim al-Nashiri.

The June 21, 2004 issue of Newsweek stated that the Bybee memo, a 2002 legal memorandum drafted by former OLC lawyer John Yoo that described what sort of interrogation tactics against suspected terrorists or terrorist affiliates the Bush administration would consider legal, was "prompted by CIA questions about what to do with a top Qaeda captive, Abu Zubaydah, who had turned uncooperative ... and was drafted after White House meetings convened by George W. Bush's chief counsel, Alberto Gonzales, along with Defense Department general counsel William Haynes and David Addington, Vice President Dick Cheney's counsel, who discussed specific interrogation techniques", citing "a source familiar with the discussions". Amongst the methods they found acceptable was waterboarding.[80]

In November 2005, ABC News reported that former CIA agents claimed that the CIA engaged in a modern form of waterboarding, along with five other "enhanced interrogation techniques," against suspected members of al Qaeda.

On July 20, 2007, U.S. President George W. Bush signed an executive order banning torture during interrogation of terror suspects.[81] While the guidelines for interrogation do not specifically ban waterboarding, the executive order refers to torture as defined by 18 USC 2340, which includes "the threat of imminent death," as well as the U.S. Constitution's ban on cruel and unusual punishment.[82]

On September 14, 2007, ABC News reported that sometime in 2006 CIA Director Michael Hayden asked for and received permission from the Bush administration to ban the use of waterboarding in CIA interrogations. The sources of this information were current and former CIA officials. ABC reported that waterboarding had been authorized by a 2002 Presidential finding.[84] On November 5, 2007, The Wall Street Journal reported that its "sources confirm ... that the CIA has only used this interrogation method against three terrorist detainees and not since 2003".[85] John Kiriakou, a former CIA officer, is the first official within the U.S. government to openly admit to the use of waterboarding as an interrogation technique, as of December 10, 2007.[86][87]

In other words, in banning torture & waterboarding, Obama is only re-affirming Bush's previous actions. Waterboarding was only permitted during a brief period from 2002 to 2006, during which it was used all of 3 times.

These are the only people it was used on:

Khalid Shaikh Mohammed, mastermind of the 9-11 attacks
Abu Zubayda, who had a lead role in one of the 2000 millennium attack plots,
Abd al-Rahim al-Nashiri, mastermind of the USS Cole bombing

All three are currently detained at Guantanamo.

828 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 7:14:21am

re: #818 Rednek

Such a tacky, graceless woman.

I wish somebody would drop a ten-pound anvil on her head.

/clank!

829 [deleted]  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 7:14:23am
830 realwest  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 7:14:28am

re: #723 Bloodnok
Hey there Bloodnok - go switch 'em all for Coke. Not subtle,perhaps, but an effective way to say "FU" to him!

831 Kenneth  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 7:14:37am

re: #766 Iron Fist

Booo, bad Iron Fist!

832 MandyManners  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 7:14:53am

re: #794 godfrey

Alinsky says "power first, policy later." That helps to explain why Obama created a policy fog during the campaign. Now, of course, we see some of his first executive orders, which naturally clarify some things.

Alinsky's strategies led to the White House and other high offices. That is hardly "nowhere." They have also done quite a job in Chicago, Rochester, and other places.

Seeing things clearly only gets you so far. At this point, I think his buddies are running the table.

I'm already thinking that one of his points in the next reelection will be his claim that millions of Americans will be volunteering than ever before in history. What I'd like to see is that countered by cold, hard numbers, clear definitions of volunteering, the kinds of places that will have more volunteers, and the like.

833 smokefire  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 7:15:04am

re: #828 Ward Cleaver

I wish somebody would drop a ten-pound anvil on her head.

/clank!

...what and ruin all of that facial work she has had?

834 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 7:15:17am

re: #790 Ben Hur

Debbie Schlussel: Anti-Semitic Broadcasting Company: ABC's "View" Hags, Comedienne Attack Lubavitch Chassidic Jews

From the link:

The stuff they said about Chassidic Jews--calling the women ugly, saying they have bad taste in clothing, have "weird," "bizarre" customs--would never be tolerated if they substituted the word "Muslim" or "Black" for "Chassidic Jew."

I have to admit my local Chabad rabbi's wife is smokin' hot. The hags on The View, not so much.

835 opnion  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 7:15:28am

re: #789 Pietr

Gitmo closure too little, too late, says ex-inmate...
Gitmo

In other news, convicted bank robber Rocky Rocco is demanding that the prison detaining him be immediately closed. He further demands to be provided with a ski mask & 38 & driven to a bank.

836 realwest  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 7:15:35am

re: #726 Nevergiveup
She does too have class! It's all LOW CLASS but it's still class!
How are ya doing today?

837 redstateredneck  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 7:15:38am
Offering the most hyperbolic take of the night on the crowds who attended President Obama's inauguration, on World News ABC's Bill Weir delighted in wondering “can national pride make a freezing day feel warmer?” He decided it can indeed since “never have so many people shivered so long with such joy” while “from above, even the seagulls must have been awed by the blanket of humanity.”


Wow. Even the seagulls...

838 Lincolntf  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 7:15:39am

re: #795 redstateredneck

Things like this usually make me think that all you can do is laugh, but in this case there is just nothing funny about it. When I think of the men and women in the Armed Forces who suffered, killed and died to pursue and capture these grubby jihadists, and the blithe way in which Obama will render their sacrifices moot in order to placate his lunatic fringe supporters I get truly angry. I imagine this will be the first of many times that I am reduced to sputtering fury by his callow cupidity.

839 jorline  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 7:15:50am

Soup De Jour

Gazan doctor says death toll inflated

What really is behind the numbers reported on the number of civilian casualties in the Gaza Strip? Italian newspaper Corriere Della Sera reported Thursday that a doctor working in Gaza's Shifa Hospital claimed that Hamas has intentionally inflated the number of casualties resulting from Israel's Operation Cast Lead.

"The number of deceased stands at no more than 500 to 600. Most of them are youths between the ages of 17 to 23 who were recruited to the ranks of Hamas, who sent them to the slaughter," according to the newspaper article.

The doctor wished to remain unidentified, out of fear for his life.

840 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 7:16:29am

re: #800 Nevergiveup

It's really disgusting. The sad part is many "Liberal" " Secular" Jews probably concur!

And I go to Chabad. Some of the women are quite good looking; some aren't, just like the one at least partially sane person on the show said. (Read the original link). And they dress well, but with modest clothing - long skirts, long sleeves, etc. No bare midriffs. Sorry, but many of the women who dress like cheap whores are ugly, too, and have much worse taste in clothing than the Chassidic women.

We're seeing a resurgence in anti-Semitism. Too many Jews try to blend in, but they don't realize that after the anti-Semites get going on those who display their Judaism, they're next. The Nazis went after the assimilated Jews as well; even those who converted to Christianity.

Israel is needed as a refuge.
And I'll say it again - these anti-Semites don't realize it, but they are making sure there cannot be a Palestinian state; if Jews are not safe elsewhere, they'll go to Israel, and they will need land to live on.

I'll stop here before I get talking about Mashiach (the Messiah, in Hebrew)

841 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 7:16:29am

re: #817 shiplord kirel

Good news on the personal front: My younger brother got home from Iraq last night. I was at my mom's house when he called. His battalion had gotten through a one year deployment without a single fatality this time. They did have several wounded, however, including one rather imprudent quartet who were blown up by an IED when they went into town to get burgers at McDonald's. All made full recoveries, but their million dollar MRAP was a total loss, as are their careers.
During his '03-'04 deployment, his earlier battalion lost 18 dead and 87 wounded out of about 850 personnel.

Bless him! Tell him welcome home from us lizards!

842 SasquatchOnSteroids  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 7:16:34am

re: #818 Rednek

Such a tacky, graceless woman.

Pelosi said one of her favorite moments from Inauguration Day was when Marine One lifted off the Capitol grounds, signifying former President George W. Bush's exit from Washington. "It felt like a 10-pound anvil was lifted off my head," she said.

Imagine how President Bush felt watching thru the window as she disappeared from sight...

Not even close.

843 Taqiyyotomist  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 7:16:41am

re: #134 x-wing


That's what I like about this site. Charles keeps' a close eye on the goings on here and trolls don't get to hang around long.

It is fun to smack a troll around once in awhile, but I've been on sites where it always ends up in a thread jack.

Townhall dot com. Every thread is a thread jack. They have trolls who've been there since townhall started. Every single column's comments section becomes a thread about someone named Wobbie, or someone named Hal. Every single g_ddamn column. Townhall - how to not run a site. And the regulars (the conservatives who go there to read the columns and comment on them) feed the trolls. The two or three trolls don't even have to show up before the diehards start mentioning them, namecalling, etc. A veritable bastion of insanity, Right and Left. I used to like that site, years ago. I swear, I believe liberals made and maintain the site, so that no meaningful conversation can occur. I challenge ANY regular LGF lizard to go there and read a whole comment thread without developing an eye-tic, heartburn, and the desire to [deleted] in cold blood the designers and "maintainers" of the site. There IS no site owner, far as I can tell. (To make things worse, the entire site looks like the HTML version of a garbage dump...and it used to look good, 5 or so years ago.)

Moderation is key. Not feeding trolls is key. LGF does it best.

844 MandyManners  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 7:16:42am

re: #824 ciaospirit

His goal was to "organize black folks." But he's not racist and his campaign wasn't about race.

People really are that dumb and/or willfully blind.

Out of all the millions who voted for him, how many read that book?

I wish Rudy had run. He is not afraid to get down to the nitty-gritty. He turned around NYC despite the opposition.

845 Wyatt Earp  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 7:17:15am

re: #824 ciaospirit

His goal was to "organize black folks." But he's not racist and his campaign wasn't about race.

People really are that dumb and/or willfully blind.

It would be racist to "organize white folks," though. And you certainly cannot have a Congressional White Caucus. Double standard is sickening.

846 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 7:17:17am

re: #816 ploome hineni

CNN’s Zain Verjee: Obama Inauguration Like Muslim Pilgrimage to Mecca
By Matthew Balan (Bio %P% Archive)


Christiane Armanpour did that also

So did Glen For on Pacifica.

847 midwestgak  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 7:17:31am

re: #826 godfrey


I look forward to his press conferences under pressure -- if he ever has them.

Probably will do it the way Clinton did. Make em short, have prescreened questions, ect. Nothing spontaneous at all costs.

848 smokefire  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 7:17:35am

re: #829 Iron Fist

I think you are right, there. I think Obama thought this would be a good year to get his feet wet in the waters of Presidential politics so that he'd be experienced when 2012 or 2016 came around. He's kind of like the dog that catches a car. He doesn't know what to do with it now.

...Sort of like Robert Redford in the Candidate. "we won what do we do now?

849 [deleted]  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 7:17:42am
850 Taqiyyotomist  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 7:17:59am

I'll join the morningside of the thread now. Heh.

851 nature boy  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 7:18:06am

Inauguration Day:

852 Wyatt Earp  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 7:18:19am

re: #825 Alouette

Susie Essman claims Chabad women are ugly and have no fashion sense.

Like she should talk.

MY EYES! THE GOGGLES DO NOTHING!

853 jorline  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 7:18:23am

re: #820 midwestgak

Morning {jorline}. Glad to see you.

{gak}

You staying warm up there after your "hot air" trough has moved into the DC area?

854 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 7:18:25am

re: #846 Who Watches the Watchmen?

PIMF - Glen Ford

855 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 7:18:39am

re: #825 Alouette

Susie Essman claims Chabad women are ugly and have no fashion sense.

Like she should talk.

Sickening. I've never heard of Susie Essman, and I guess it's just as well. She's a disgrace to the tribe.

856 realwest  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 7:18:41am

re: #746 jaunte
What kinda repair work? I'm pretty good at home repair work myself!

857 Kenneth  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 7:18:59am

re: #759 realwest

Obama frightens me too.

858 jorline  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 7:19:16am

re: #830 realwest

Hey there Bloodnok - go switch 'em all for Coke. Not subtle,perhaps, but an effective way to say "FU" to him!

Good morning, RW...hope this day finds you well.

859 Nevergiveup  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 7:19:18am

re: #816 ploome hineni

I am so glad I didn't turn the news on all day

860 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 7:19:26am

re: #835 opnion

In other news, convicted bank robber Rocky Rocco is demanding that the prison detaining him be immediately closed. He further demands to be provided with a ski mask & 38 & driven to a bank.

Reminds me of a the piece I heard on the radio this morning about yesterday's pro-illegal immigration rally at the USCIS headquarters here in DC. One of the illegal immigrant attendees (and WHY weren't they all promptly arrested? Oh, never mind) stated something like, "we've been working in this country for years, and we've earned our right to a place at the table." Er, yeah... you've been working illegally in this country for years. This is kind of like bank robber Rocky Rocco declaring that since he managed to steal so much of that bank's money, he deserves to be on its Board of Directors now.

And, good morning.

861 Bloodnok  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 7:19:51am

re: #830 realwest

Hey there Bloodnok - go switch 'em all for Coke. Not subtle,perhaps, but an effective way to say "FU" to him!

Hi R Dubya. I am considering printing out Sarah Palin's head and taping it over the 0 logo on every (still full) can.

862 [deleted]  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 7:20:31am
863 godfrey  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 7:20:42am

re: #848 smokefire

Obama's first executive orders indicate clearly what he wants to do now: fork over the goods to his major backers: Planned Parenthood, etc.

864 redstateredneck  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 7:21:00am

re: #847 midwestgak

I look forward to his press conferences under pressure -- if he ever has them.

Probably will do it the way Clinton did. Make em short, have prescreened questions, ect. Nothing spontaneous at all costs.

Helen Thomas front row center.

865 jaunte  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 7:21:13am

Here's that Barney Frank/Boston Bank story:


Boston’s OneUnited Bank received $12 million in federal rescue funds last month just weeks after regulators issued a cease-and-desist order to overhaul some of its lending and executive compensation practices.
Details of the Federal Deposit Insurance Corp.’s official enforcement action against OneUnited and the bank's pending $12 million infusion were first reported Dec. 5 in a Page 1 article in the Boston Business Journal. The Wall Street Journal reported Thursday that the tiny bank received the bailout money after gaining influential support from Massachusetts congressman and House Financial Services Committee Chairman Barney Frank.

The funds came from the U.S. Treasury’s Troubled Asset Relief Program.

The FDIC’s cease-and-desist order said OneUnited must cut financial ties to a California-based limited liability company that owns a beachfront home in Santa Monica. OneUnited Chairman and CEO Kevin Cohee and his wife, Teri Williams, who also is the bank’s president, control the LLC, according to records with the California Secretary of State’s office.

The bank also pays for a Porsche for Cohee’s personal use.


[Link: www.bizjournals.com...]

866 redstateredneck  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 7:21:24am

re: #848 smokefire

...Sort of like Robert Redford in the Candidate. "we won what do we do now?

It think of that often.

867 redstateredneck  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 7:21:36am

re: #866 redstateredneck

It think of that often.

I, dammit I!

868 HoosierHoops  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 7:21:52am

re: #770 realwest

Hey Hoops! Good morning and as long as y'all don't patronize Starbuck's personally, I reckon that's ok!
:)

Good Morning Realwest!
The girl in the cube next to me just transfer from California to here..
I really like talking to her about home...I'm giving her advice..like make sure to buy a snow shovel..( I made that mistake my first year here )
Where to shop...Stuff like that..

869 [deleted]  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 7:21:58am
870 smokefire  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 7:21:58am

re: #867 redstateredneck

I, dammit I!

I got the message.

871 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 7:22:21am

re: #863 godfrey

Obama's first executive orders indicate clearly what he wants to do now: fork over the goods to his major backers: Planned Parenthood, etc.

I knew that was coming. Clinton did the same thing. Almost 50 million Americans are missing, thanks to abortion. Who knows, maybe one of them was destined to find a cure for AIDS?

872 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 7:22:32am

re: #867 redstateredneck

I, dammit I!

It understood what you meant.

873 opnion  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 7:22:48am

re: #845 Wyatt Earp

It would be racist to "organize white folks," though. And you certainly cannot have a Congressional White Caucus. Double standard is sickening.

You can't have the descendants of slave holders in positions of power,you know like Obama.

874 nyc redneck  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 7:22:52am

re: #844 MandyManners

Out of all the millions who voted for him, how many read that book?

I wish Rudy had run. He is not afraid to get down to the nitty-gritty. He turned around NYC despite the opposition.

i'm thinking that after the despair caused by 4 yrs. of the O,
rudy will look very good.
that's what happened here in the city. he was elected because we were going down the drain.

875 midwestgak  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 7:23:00am

re: #853 jorline

{gak}

You staying warm up there after your "hot air" trough has moved into the DC area?

Not really. I tend to shiver (not tingle) whenever certain electeds speak.

876 shiplord kirel  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 7:23:02am

Words fail me...

Clinically Depressed Poodle Mauls Former French President Chirac

Former French President Jacques Chirac was rushed to a hospital after being mauled by his pet dog who is being treated for depression, in a dramatic incident that rattled the ex-president's wife.

The couple's white Maltese poodle, called Sumo, has a history of frenzied fits and became increasingly prone to making "vicious, unprovoked attacks" despite receiving treatment with anti-depressants, Chirac's wife Bernadette said.

"If you only knew! I had a dramatic day yesterday," she told VSD magazine. "Sumo bit my husband!"

Mrs. Chirac, 74, did not reveal where the former president was bitten, but said, "the dog went for him for no apparent reason."

877 jaunte  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 7:23:12am

re: #856 realwest

Painting garage door, refinishing front door, laying out foundation for wall...
I'd better get busy! See you later.

878 smokefire  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 7:23:36am

re: #871 Ward Cleaver

I knew that was coming. Clinton did the same thing. Almost 50 million Americans are missing, thanks to abortion. Who knows, maybe one of them was destined to find a cure for AIDS?

...Just hope all the Catholics that voted for the one remember this at the next pro-life rally...nah they won't. Short term memory loss.

879 Wyatt Earp  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 7:23:46am

re: #873 opnion

You can't have the descendants of slave holders in positions of power,you know like Obama.


George Washington and Thomas Jefferson owned slaves, and they turned out to be quality people. :)

880 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 7:23:48am

re: #876 shiplord kirel

Words fail me...

Clinically Depressed Poodle Mauls Former French President Chirac

Good dog!

/anybody got a dog treat?

881 Nevergiveup  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 7:23:56am

re: #876 shiplord kirel

Words fail me...

Clinically Depressed Poodle Mauls Former French President Chirac

I wonder if this was a Jewish Dog?

882 midwestgak  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 7:24:25am

re: #864 redstateredneck

Helen Thomas front row center.

lol

883 Wyatt Earp  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 7:24:39am

re: #881 Nevergiveup

I wonder if this was a Jewish Dog?

The dog was pissed that he has to cuddle with Mrs. Chirac, instead of Carla Bruni Sarkozy.

884 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 7:25:05am

re: #839 jorline

Soup De Jour

Gazan doctor says death toll inflated

Am I the only one who hope that the death toll was UNDER-reported?

More dead Hamasniks = world is a better place.

885 smokefire  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 7:25:23am

re: #882 midwestgak

lol

is she still alive, or will be forced to have a Weekend at Barry's moment?

886 aussiemagpie  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 7:25:33am

re: #814 realwest

Well, knock on wood, they all came through their surgeries just fine - it's the after surgery care that we're concerned with (one chemo, two radiation).
Thanks for asking and remembering!

And thank you for the update and I hope all goes well with their treatment

*Smooch* :-)

887 MandyManners  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 7:25:37am

re: #825 Alouette

Susie Essman claims Chabad women are ugly and have no fashion sense.

Like she should talk.

WAB's next fashion consultant!

888 Bloodnok  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 7:25:41am

re: #876 shiplord kirel

Words fail me...

Clinically Depressed Poodle Mauls Former French President Chirac

The couple's white Maltese poodle, called Sumo, has a history of frenzied fits and became increasingly prone to making "vicious, unprovoked disproportionate attacks" despite receiving treatment with anti-depressants, Chirac's wife Bernadette said.

At least the paper didn't describe the dog as a "yout".

889 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 7:25:49am

re: #878 smokefire

...Just hope all the Catholics that voted for the one remember this at the next pro-life rally...nah they won't. Short term memory loss.

They usually don't show up for pro-life rallies. I was at the one here in Dallas last Saturday.

890 midwestgak  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 7:26:21am

re: #871 Ward Cleaver

I knew that was coming. Clinton did the same thing. Almost 50 million Americans are missing, thanks to abortion. Who knows, maybe one of them was destined to find a cure for AIDS?

And it will apply in all 57 states.

891 Spare O'Lake  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 7:26:26am

Hopen Sesame
Toasted with butter, please.

892 [deleted]  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 7:26:52am
893 smokefire  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 7:27:03am

re: #887 MandyManners

WAB's next fashion consultant!

After the Black Widow Spider dress, the Yellow Curtain Inaugural Dress, and the White shower curtain dress, ANYTHING would be an improvement

894 [deleted]  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 7:27:22am
895 [deleted]  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 7:28:10am
896 DeafDog  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 7:28:11am

re: #806 Iron Fist

Fair enough, but the media freaked out about it, went on a rampage about it, and, even now brings it up when they need something to bash America/our servicemen and women with.

While they gave al Qaeda a pass for cutting off people's heads. I will submit to you the proposition that nothing done at Abu Grabass or Gitmo was as bad as the way Pearle was treated. Not even close.

But the media acted as good little messengers for al Qaeda by waxing apopoleptic about the former, while glossing over the latter.

This is one example of why I say the Media are the Enemy. They sure as death try to promote the enemy at the expense of our brave soldiers.

I totally agree with the fact that the MSM never discussed the atrocities of the enemey. Pearl - being a media member - actually got some coverage. But the Al Queda murders, beheadings, torturing in Iraq were totally ignored. That's disgusting.

My only complaint with your post was in conflating Abu Grahab with Gitmo.

When the Abu Grahab thing was exposed, it was actually a good thing (even if it didn't feel like it) because it was bad behavior that we needed to be made aware of. The folks responsible will were rightly held accountable. Was the coverage over the top? Yes. But it made me feel badly because I knew it was not showing America's best.

Gitmo is completely different I have not heard a single shred of evidence that anything truely happened badly here. Yet, the MSM reported - falsely - of bad behavior. Dick(head) Durbin repeated the lies on the Senate floor! That makes me angrier than I can express in words.

I'm agreeing with your sentiment, but just saying that we should not be conflating the two - Abu Grahab is different than Gitmo.

897 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 7:28:18am

re: #893 smokefire

After the Black Widow Spider dress, the Yellow Curtain Inaugural Dress, and the White shower curtain dress, ANYTHING would be an improvement

How about "kept in a secret undisclosed location" for four years?

898 verbatim  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 7:28:21am

re: #825 Alouette

Susie Essman claims Chabad women are ugly and have no fashion sense.

Like she should talk.

When I was in college, I ate at the kosher dining hall. There was a Lubavitcher there whose job was to try to get Jews interested in Judaism, by showing them the beautiful parts (Shabbos, the family life, etc...) I gotta tell ya, his wife was gorgeous. And she didn't dress like shlub either. She was always well put together.

These hags at the View have met either zero or very few religious Jews (or even ANY religious people, for that matter).

I now live in Brookyn, NY (I love being surrounded by my peeps). As Debbie Schlussel mentioned in her article,

Most people who are Lubavitch Chassidic Jews dedicate their lives to service...

So if Lubavitch ladies are not clad in $1300 dollar yellow dresses, given to them by the high muckety mucks of fashion, it's because they are too busy trying to do real good in the world.

899 smokefire  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 7:28:35am

re: #894 buzzsawmonkey

Fashion insultant, I think.

Michelle is the next Jackie.

We knew Jackie, Jackie was our friend.
You Michelle are NO JACKIE.

900 opnion  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 7:28:39am

re: #860 Occasional Reader

Reminds me of a the piece I heard on the radio this morning about yesterday's pro-illegal immigration rally at the USCIS headquarters here in DC. One of the illegal immigrant attendees (and WHY weren't they all promptly arrested? Oh, never mind) stated something like, "we've been working in this country for years, and we've earned our right to a place at the table." Er, yeah... you've been working illegally in this country for years. This is kind of like bank robber Rocky Rocco declaring that since he managed to steal so much of that bank's money, he deserves to be on its Board of Directors now.

And, good morning.

Good morning to you, excellent analogy.
I got suck a kick out of the pola & press saying that these people live in the shadows during the great immigration debate a couple of summers ago.
I was watching illegals parade downtown & flaunt their status. They wer not hiding in shadows.
The MSM always used a dirty little rhetorical trick saying that those in opposition were anti-immigrant. That was not the case, it was anti illegal.

901 jorline  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 7:29:32am

re: #862 ploome hineni

oh please...only Jews are reporting this

you think this will the 6 o'clock news or the MSM?

never

/yes, I am depressed

So much for your hope and change in this new transparent age.
///

Morning, ploome.

902 MandyManners  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 7:29:39am

re: #874 nyc redneck

i'm thinking that after the despair caused by 4 yrs. of the O,
rudy will look very good.
that's what happened here in the city. he was elected because we were going down the drain.

He'll be 68 in 2012 so maybe the nation will be ready for an adult again.

903 Erik The Red  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 7:29:56am

re: #786 opnion

Good morning Lizards. Day three, America held hostage!

So far so good. Still have 17 fingers and toes.Then it should get interesting/

904 DeafDog  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 7:29:59am

re: #817 shiplord kirel

Welcome him back from LGF, too!

905 Pietr  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 7:30:36am

re: #876 shiplord kirel

How strange-I would have thought JChirac was the clinical depressed 1, subject to fits. So it should have been the dog who got bitten...

/white smoke...

906 lawhawk  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 7:30:45am

re: #827 Kenneth

What... you mean that Obama's doing something symbolic about this and nothing substantive? Wait... he's actually carrying out a continuation of Bush Administration policy... oh, that's going to leave a mark. /

907 nyc redneck  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 7:30:46am

re: #888 Bloodnok

The couple's white Maltese poodle, called Sumo, has a history of frenzied fits and became increasingly prone to making "vicious, unprovoked disproportionate attacks" despite receiving treatment with anti-depressants, Chirac's wife Bernadette said.

At least the paper didn't describe the dog as a "yout".

LOL, even a poodle sees chirac as a subordinate .
hey, who's surprised?
dogs are smart.

908 Taqiyyotomist  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 7:30:47am

re: #849 Iron Fist

Isn't that pretty much what happened to William "Cold Cash" Jefferson? He was clearly guilty beyond even unreasonable doubt, but they re-elected him, basically saying that laws about bribes are unimportant as long as they are bribing the right politician for the right reasons.

I was thinking the inner city churches (that is, "black churches") have a part in that re-election. These churches are local branch offices of the Democratic party, and political indoctrination is inextricably interwoven with whatever mis-represented, un-contextual Bible "study" they offer. You can bet your last dollar that the churches in the ghettos, most if not all, had their parishoners convinced (not a tough task) that Jefferson was innocent and set up by the man.

I.Fist, you say "beyond even unreasonable doubt", these people are beyond even that. AIDS created by the white man, or the Jew, depending what day of the week and who you ask, is just one (of too freakin many) example of the beyond-unreasonable ideas which the majority accepts. The churches, the "community centers", one and the same. Gospel is not Jesus and His blood, but politics and power. And the truth of what I say is evidenced in the conditions in which they live. The corruption in the "black church" is perhaps the most-ignored story of the century in America. They don't preach truth anymore. Nor love. They preach hatred, fund abortions, enable addicts, and screw the communities. And bank many dollars.

909 Bloodnok  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 7:30:54am

re: #902 MandyManners

He'll be 68 in 2012 so maybe the nation will be ready for an adult again.

B-B-But he's not conserrrvative enough!

/maximum sarc

910 realwest  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 7:30:55am

re: #793 Kosh's Shadow
Well if he ain't allowed back into Gaza, I'd say he's a pretty lucky fellow.
Still think Israel shoulda finished the job right then and there. And by finish he job I DO MEAN take out all of the Hamas Leadership and all the "fighters" they could find.

911 [deleted]  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 7:31:00am
912 [deleted]  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 7:31:17am
913 smokefire  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 7:31:32am

re: #902 MandyManners

I'm wondering if Mitt Romney will consider in 2012. It is certain by then that the economy will be in such shambles, that there will be a need for someone with a little better economic skills may be asked to take over.

914 Taqiyyotomist  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 7:31:54am

There should never have even BEEN a "black church". EVER.

915 opnion  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 7:32:12am

re: #863 godfrey

Obama's first executive orders indicate clearly what he wants to do now: fork over the goods to his major backers: Planned Parenthood, etc.

Obama would even deny medical care to a survivor of a botched abortion.
That was his position in the Illinois State Senate.
That baby is a fully born American Citizen & he would deny care.
You are so freaking compassionate Barry!

916 MandyManners  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 7:32:15am

re: #893 smokefire

After the Black Widow Spider dress, the Yellow Curtain Inaugural Dress, and the White shower curtain dress, ANYTHING would be an improvement

Mrs. Beasley!

917 Shiplord Kirel  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 7:32:48am

re: #880 Ward Cleaver

Good dog!

/anybody got a dog treat?

First Barney the White Dog puts the bite on media droids, and now this. Is there some kind of global right-wing canine conspiracy? My own wonder-dog, Roswell the Atomic Poodle, isn't talking but I suspect he might be one of the ringleaders.

918 MandyManners  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 7:32:56am

re: #894 buzzsawmonkey

Fashion insultant, I think.

Do you have access to WWD?

919 opnion  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 7:33:30am

re: #903 Erik The Red

So far so good. Still have 17 fingers and toes.Then it should get interesting/

That is when I will seek a professional mathematician

920 rawmuse  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 7:33:31am

Good morning.
Gack! I am now older than the President. First time in my life that has happened.

921 leap  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 7:33:45am

re: #901 jorline

Agree, and as well as this one.
[Link: www.nypost.com...]
HUMAN RIGHTS WORKER CHARGED WITH CHILD SMUT
SEXUAL MATERIAL FOUND IN LUGGAGE AT KENNEDY AIRPORT

he's says was just passing along a gift from friend to friend...

922 Nevergiveup  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 7:34:26am

17:17 U.S. spy chief nominee: Intelligence should find ways to work with Iran more (Reuters)

Ha?

923 MandyManners  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 7:34:47am

re: #909 Bloodnok

B-B-But he's not conserrrvative enough!

/maximum sarc

After CBBHO, Stalin might seem conservative enough.

924 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 7:35:01am

re: #920 rawmuse

Good morning.
Gack! I am now older than the President. First time in my life that has happened.

Me, too. Doesn't feel right, does it?

925 Pietr  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 7:35:03am

re: #890 midwestgak

And it will apply in all 57 states.

It's 60 states, PLEASE! Remember he hadn't been to 1, and wasn't including Hawaii or Alaska-so he got his count of the full SIXTY(60) states...Don't make BO look uninformed/stupid (he does that himself when he doesn't have a teleprompter).

926 realwest  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 7:35:24am

re: #806 Iron Fist
Good morning Iron Fist! Great comment, but one small quibble: "This is one example of why I say the Media are the Enemy. They sure as death try to promote the enemy at the expense of our brave soldiers and all of us who support them."

927 MandyManners  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 7:35:34am

re: #913 smokefire

I'm wondering if Mitt Romney will consider in 2012. It is certain by then that the economy will be in such shambles, that there will be a need for someone with a little better economic skills may be asked to take over.

I refuse to start speculating.

928 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 7:35:52am

re: #917 Shiplord Kirel

First Barney the White Dog puts the bite on media droids, and now this. Is there some kind of global right-wing canine conspiracy? My own wonder-dog, Roswell the Atomic Poodle, isn't talking but I suspect he might be one of the ringleaders.

Maybe he's communicating with our poodles. Of course, ours are very lovable to us. But I think if, say, Jimmy Carter came for a visit, they would not be so nice. They'd make the rabbit look tame.

929 smokefire  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 7:36:00am

re: #910 realwest

Well if he ain't allowed back into Gaza, I'd say he's a pretty lucky fellow.
Still think Israel shoulda finished the job right then and there. And by finish he job I DO MEAN take out all of the Hamas Leadership and all the "fighters" they could find.

Real I got into trouble over that.

Just watched Gods and Generals last night. A lot of lines in the movie came from reports during the Civil War.

Best line is when Stonewall Jackson's Physician Dr.Maguiar asks the General what they should do about the Union soldiers. Jackson answers
"Killem, Sir. Kill every last man of them..

930 Lincolntf  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 7:36:10am

re: #913 smokefire

Romney, in my opinion, is the best qualified and most likely to succeed in Office of any of the current crop of possibilities (in both Parties). The unabashed bigotry in the media against his Faith may derail him before he really picks up a head of steam, but if he gets in the race and makes it through the early primaries, he'd be a true force to be reckoned with.
The fact that McCain and Huckabee colluded to throw him under the bus is one of the biggest disgraces in recent Republican history.

931 MandyManners  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 7:36:13am

re: #914 Taqiyyotomist

There should never have even BEEN a "black church". EVER.

They were not allowed into white churches in times past. What else were they to do?

932 Spare O'Lake  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 7:36:13am

re: #862 ploome hineni

you think this will the 6 o'clock news or the MSM?

Nope

933 jorline  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 7:36:19am

re: #911 ploome hineni

hi jo, how you doing?

I'm well...all things considered and you?

934 HoosierHoops  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 7:36:26am

re: #917 Shiplord Kirel

First Barney the White Dog puts the bite on media droids, and now this. Is there some kind of global right-wing canine conspiracy? My own wonder-dog, Roswell the Atomic Poodle, isn't talking but I suspect he might be one of the ringleaders.


Winston the dog isn't talking either.. I'll walk out the room and the TV will be switched from Hi-Def CNN to normal-def Fox news when I return.
He acts all innocent but I know he's not..

935 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 7:36:40am

re: #922 Nevergiveup

17:17 U.S. spy chief nominee: Intelligence should find ways to work with Iran more (Reuters)

Ha?

You mean like telling Iran exactly where the best targets are in Israel?
/

936 doppelganglander  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 7:36:55am

re: #916 MandyManners

Mrs. Beasley!

OMG, I loved my Mrs. Beasley doll!

937 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 7:36:55am

re: #927 MandyManners

I refuse to start speculating.

I seriously do not want the panel of midgets we had to choose from this past year... it was their lack of stature that helped friggin' McCain become the standard bearer.

938 jorline  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 7:37:06am

re: #925 Pietr

It's 60 states, PLEASE! Remember he hadn't been to 1, and wasn't including Hawaii or Alaska-so he got his count of the full SIXTY(60) states...Don't make BO look uninformed/stupid (he does that himself when he doesn't have a teleprompter).

I missed you post the other day, Pietr. Are you in SA?

939 smokefire  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 7:37:19am

re: #927 MandyManners

why not? It will give us something to do for the next 4 years.

940 realwest  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 7:37:54am

re: #815 opnion
I'm surprised he did this: drawing attention to bank failures is bound to lead to Barney's failures as a congresscritter - he DOES head the House Banking Oversight Subcommittee and did have a LOT to do with CRA being passed.
He's a dumb, dangerous political hack.

941 opnion  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 7:37:59am

Oh this is just great. Speculation on FNC , that as Barry closes Gitmo, Khalid Shiek Mohammod will be moved to New York & prosecuted for the 1993 World Trade Center bombing. That would prohibit prosecution for 9/11 & the deaths.
Brilliant!

942 Honorary Yooper  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 7:38:19am

re: #899 smokefire

Michelle is the next Jackie.

We knew Jackie, Jackie was our friend.
You Michelle are NO JACKIE.

Michelle makes Herb Tarlick look like a guru of good fashion sense and taste.

943 Bloodnok  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 7:38:30am

re: #927 MandyManners

I refuse to start speculating.

Me neither. We need Congress back. We've got 2 years to make some gains. 2012 will still be there waiting for us.

944 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 7:38:37am

re: #918 MandyManners

Do you have access to WWD?

Saddam had no WWD! It was a neocon lie!

945 smokefire  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 7:39:24am

re: #942 Honorary Yooper

btw. LOVE THE AVATAR. Looks like our Late Buffy.

946 realwest  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 7:39:41am

re: #817 shiplord kirel
Ah GREAT NEWS about your brother AND about the lack of fatalities in his battalion this time around!
Put a smile on my face, for sure!
Please thank him for his service to our Nation - from all of us.

947 Nevergiveup  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 7:40:28am

Iranian AIDS doctors get 6, 3 years in jail for alleged coup plot

[Link: www.jpost.com...]

Well since they have no Gays in Iran why would they need Aids Doctors?

948 Taqiyyotomist  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 7:40:56am

re: #931 MandyManners

You're right. The concept of the segregated church should have gone the way of the segregated drinking fountain, the segregated bathroom, the segregated schools. The church should have been FIRST to desegregate, logically.

949 midwestgak  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 7:40:56am

re: #913 smokefire

I'm wondering if Mitt Romney will consider in 2012. It is certain by then that the economy will be in such shambles, that there will be a need for someone with a little better economic skills may be asked to take over.

I've heard Jeb is considering throwing his name in the hat.

950 Dustyvet  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 7:40:59am

John Murtha on Gitmo: 'I'll Take the Detainees in My District"


951 smokefire  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 7:41:03am

re: #946 realwest

Ah GREAT NEWS about your brother AND about the lack of fatalities in his battalion this time around!
Put a smile on my face, for sure!
Please thank him for his service to our Nation - from all of us.

...Me Too.
Thanks for his service.

952 MandyManners  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 7:41:25am

re: #937 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

I seriously do not want the panel of midgets we had to choose from this past year... it was their lack of stature that helped friggin' McCain become the standard bearer.

re: #939 smokefire

why not? It will give us something to do for the next 4 years.

Have at it.

953 realwest  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 7:41:33am

re: #829 Iron Fist
Yep, too damn bad we're all passengers in that car!

954 Nevergiveup  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 7:41:45am

A new book proposal, submitted by the admittedly estranged brother of Mark McGwire, claims the former major league slugger used both steroids and human growth hormone during his career.

[Link: sports.espn.go.com...]

What's family for after all?

955 MandyManners  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 7:41:54am

re: #943 Bloodnok

Me neither. We need Congress back. We've got 2 years to make some gains. 2012 will still be there waiting for us.

I'm thinking by then, many voters may be ready for a change.

956 DeafDog  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 7:41:58am

re: #950 Dustyvet

John Murtha on Gitmo: 'I'll Take the Detainees in My Racist District"

Youtube Video

957 opnion  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 7:42:04am

re: #940 realwest

I'm surprised he did this: drawing attention to bank failures is bound to lead to Barney's failures as a congresscritter - he DOES head the House Banking Oversight Subcommittee and did have a LOT to do with CRA being passed.
He's a dumb, dangerous political hack.


Morning Real. I do believe that you have described Barney rather well.
I just think that he & Dodd feel bullit proof, Barry in the White House & majorities in both houses.
The theft of taxpayer money will continue.

958 Pietr  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 7:42:29am

re: #938 jorline

I missed you post the other day, Pietr. Are you in SA?

Yeah, Jorline; South Side, below Kelley AFB. Became a resident back in '77...:>))

959 MandyManners  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 7:42:49am

re: #944 Occasional Reader

Saddam had no WWD! It was a neocon lie!

Gadaffi surely does except he reads it while on bad blotter.

960 Nancy  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 7:42:49am

Michelle Obama's swearing in coat-dress.

Contrary to various press gushing and pronouncing it modern and stylish, it reminded me of something my grandmothers wore back in the 50's.

It wasn't bad but dowdy! Modern it certainly was NOT!

961 jorline  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 7:43:25am

Just in from Vegas

President Obama has signed an Executive Order stating the Arizona Cardinals will receive a 10 point advantage at kickoff, to make things fair.
Troy Polamalu will also be required to play with one armed tied behind his back.

962 smokefire  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 7:43:33am

He's a dumb, dangerous political hack.

Strange that term could be applied to just about all our Senators and Congressmen

963 MandyManners  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 7:43:47am

re: #948 Taqiyyotomist

You're right. The concept of the segregated church should have gone the way of the segregated drinking fountain, the segregated bathroom, the segregated schools. The church should have been FIRST to desegregate, logically.

It's up to the attendees, not the government.

964 Lincolntf  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 7:43:52am

re: #949 midwestgak

That would mean certain failure in the general election. The animus towards GW will carry on for years. It may not be fair, but it's true.

965 Kenneth  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 7:44:07am

re: #921 leap

A "gift"? That's odd, earlier he said it was for "research". You don't suppose the UN official is lying do you?

966 realwest  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 7:44:12am

re: #837 redstateredneck
Hey {red} - Bill Weir is just a jingoist "For America" type; just the kind that the MSM used to hate, remember?
I also think he's kind of a wuss - the frickin' SEAGULLS?!

967 Nevergiveup  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 7:44:25am

re: #961 jorline

Just in from Vegas

President Obama has signed an Executive Order stating the Arizona Cardinals will receive a 10 point advantage at kickoff, to make things fair.
Troy Polamalu will also be required to play with one armed tied behind his back.

I'll still take the Steelers

968 [deleted]  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 7:44:35am
969 MandyManners  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 7:44:38am

re: #960 Nancy

Michelle Obama's swearing in coat-dress.

Contrary to various press gushing and pronouncing it modern and stylish, it reminded me of something my grandmothers wore back in the 50's.

It wasn't bad but dowdy! Modern it certainly was NOT!

Oh, those crystals!

I can see Queen Elizabeth wearing it to a semi-formal event in the evening.

970 Honorary Yooper  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 7:44:40am

re: #949 midwestgak

I've heard Jeb is considering throwing his name in the hat.

We need someone not named either Bush or Clinton.

After BHO is done with his economic policies, we're going to need someone who can fix the financial mess. I have to agree that Romney looks like a contender for 2012 right now. We'll see who else comes up in the meantime. First and foremost, however, is the 2010 Congressional elections. Taking back the House would go a long way to limiting the damage BHO could do with Pelosi and Reid.

971 DeafDog  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 7:44:56am

Bailouts explained...
Young Ed bought a horse from a farmer for $100. The farmer agreed to deliver the horse the next day.

The next day he drove up and said, "Sorry son, but I have some bad news, the horse died."

Ed replied, "Well, then just give me my money back."

The farmer said, "Can't do that. I went and spent it already."

Ed said, "Ok, then, just bring me the dead horse."

The farmer asked, "What ya gonna do with him?"

Chuck said, "I'm going to raffle him off."

The farmer said, "'You can't raffle off a dead horse!"

Ed said, "Sure I can, Watch me. I just won't tell anybody he's dead."

A month later, the farmer met up with Ed and asked, "What happened with that dead horse?"

Ed said, "I raffled him off. I sold 500 tickets at two dollars apiece and made a profit of $998."

The farmer said, "Didn't anyone complain?"

Ed said, "Just the guy who won. So I gave him his two dollars back."

Ed grew up and works now for the government. He's the one who is figuring out how to "bail us out".

972 smokefire  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 7:45:12am

re: #967 Nevergiveup

I'll still take the Steelers

...and he will also have to cut his hair too.

973 MandyManners  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 7:45:26am

re: #950 Dustyvet

John Murtha on Gitmo: 'I'll Take the Detainees in My District"

Youtube Video

Right. In medium-security prisons.

974 realwest  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 7:45:27am

re: #839 jorline
Hey good morning jorline! Good to see you - hope you're feeling well today!
And I hope business picks up for you too!

975 vxbush  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 7:45:37am

Good day to everyone here. Interesting little tidbit:

I forced myself to watch ABC News last night, because I wanted to see how Obama-centric they were going to be. Wow. Were they ever. ALL but 2 stories were centered on Obama. The the other two were on the price of gas and lasted all of 30 seconds, and a second story on peanut farming. So, of 26 minutes of news, all but about 2.5 minutes were All Obama. At one point, i was afraid they were going to start giving me a minute-by-minute itinerary of where Obama had been, what he had eaten, whom he touched, etc.

976 Bubblehead II  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 7:46:03am

And the circle is complete.

Neo-Nazis plan Gaza 'Holocaust' vigil in BerlinYour text to link...

Hatred of Jews and Israel has over the years, particularly since the Second Lebanon War in 2006, unified diverse political groups in Germany, ranging from members of the German Left Party to pro-Hizbullah and pro-Hamas Islamists, to the NPD.

*spit*

977 Nevergiveup  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 7:46:08am

Officer punished for fighting in Gaza
Paratroopers lieutenant attending IDF academy joins comrades fighting in Strip sans superiors' permission, tried for disobeying order, sent to 21 days in brig. Sentence eventually commuted by head of GOC Army Headquarters

[Link: www.ynetnews.com...]

I'd say he was one motivated soldier.

978 [deleted]  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 7:46:18am
979 jorline  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 7:46:29am

re: #958 Pietr

Yeah, Jorline; South Side, below Kelley AFB. Became a resident back in '77...:>))

SA is home for me...My family moved to the Universal City area in 68. I moved, but everyone stayed put.

980 vapig  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 7:46:48am

re: #941 opnion

Oh this is just great. Speculation on FNC , that as Barry closes Gitmo, Khalid Shiek Mohammod will be moved to New York & prosecuted for the 1993 World Trade Center bombing. That would prohibit prosecution for 9/11 & the deaths.
Brilliant!

It's too stupid for words, this whole prosecuting them as though they stole a car-stereo thing. That being said: Why would it be prohibited? Mass murders aren't tried for just one murder and prohibited for being prosecuted for the others.

981 Ben Hur  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 7:47:33am
982 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 7:47:34am

re: #947 Nevergiveup

Iranian AIDS doctors get 6, 3 years in jail for alleged coup plot

[Link: www.jpost.com...]

Well since they have no Gays in Iran why would they need Aids Doctors?

Because the evil Jooos created AIDS and contaminated Iranians with it.
/Iranian mullah illogic

983 Spiny Norman  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 7:47:42am

re: #970 Honorary Yooper

We need someone not named either Bush or Clinton.

After BHO is done with his economic policies, we're going to need someone who can fix the financial mess. I have to agree that Romney looks like a contender for 2012 right now. We'll see who else comes up in the meantime. First and foremost, however, is the 2010 Congressional elections. Taking back the House would go a long way to limiting the damage BHO could do with Pelosi and Reid.

Unfortunately, it will take quite a bit of damage before the voters wake up to what colossal idiots those two are.

984 CIA Reject  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 7:48:37am

"Twelfth Night" is a comedy. I'm thinking the current political situation is more of a Shakespearean tragedy.

Think "Macbeth" with BO in the title role and the MSM as the Weird Sisters...

Good Morning Everybody!

985 jorline  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 7:49:04am

re: #974 realwest

Hey good morning jorline! Good to see you - hope you're feeling well today!
And I hope business picks up for you too!

Hey RW...business was better yesterday, but we will have to wait and see. I think we've now entered a small business hostile environment.

986 quickjustice  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 7:49:05am

re: #802 realwest

I think Obama's very intelligent and charming. That makes him very dangerous. I think his "empty suit" persona a mask for something far more sinister. He's come to power prematurely. That means a steep learning curve that may benefit his opponents.

Obama's also been lucky in his timing. You predict that his character flaws eventually will expose him. That's true only if the media (or other people) expose those flaws.

Conservatives have been outflanked and outsmarted by acolytes of Alinsky. I don't see any sudden awakening that suggests that they've become more astute. They want to sit around and talk about ideology. They never seem to get to how to execute their ideology in a way that improves the lives of average Americans. Until they figure that out, Obama and his allies will continue to defeat them.

987 vapig  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 7:49:05am

re: #950 Dustyvet

John Murtha on Gitmo: 'I'll Take the Detainees in My District"

Youtube Video

That's fine with me, as long as we can then wall off his state from the rest of the country (a la "Escape from New York").

988 jorline  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 7:49:41am

re: #984 CIA Reject

"Twelfth Night" is a comedy. I'm thinking the current political situation is more of a Shakespearean tragedy.

Think "Macbeth" with BO in the title role and the MSM as the Weird Sisters...

Good Morning Everybody!

Morning, CIA...good to see you.

989 smokefire  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 7:49:44am

Because the evil Jooos created AIDS and contaminated Iranians with it.
/Iranian mullah illogic


...wait a minute, didn't the US Government create the AIDS VIRUS? Thats what Rev. Wright said, didn't he? Or was that someone else, I forget?

990 aussiemagpie  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 7:49:54am

Goodnight {everyone} from Down Under on a very warm night in Sydney
:-)

991 Taqiyyotomist  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 7:49:57am

re: #963 MandyManners

Which is why I said they should have been the first to desegregate, not the first to "be desegregated". My point exactly.

992 Nevergiveup  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 7:50:00am

re: #987 vapig

That's fine with me, as long as we can then wall off his state from the rest of the country (a la "Escape from New York").

I bet this is gonna make him real popular with his constituents?

993 Kenneth  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 7:50:19am

re: #982 Kosh's Shadow

AIDS is spreading in Iran mostly on account of the rampant heroin addiction. Another feature of the "perfect" Islamic republic.

994 smokefire  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 7:50:45am

re: #990 aussiemagpie

Goodnight {everyone} from Down Under on a very warm night in Sydney
:-)

good night and don't let the bed bugs bite.
Or as my late mother said,
happy face in the morning

995 jorline  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 7:50:55am

re: #990 aussiemagpie

Goodnight {everyone} from Down Under on a very warm night in Sydney
:-)

Sleep well aussie.

996 Spiny Norman  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 7:51:01am

re: #973 MandyManners

re: #950 Dustyvet

John Murtha on Gitmo: 'I'll Take the Detainees in My District"

Right. In medium-security prisons.

No, work release.

997 realwest  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 7:51:03am

re: #844 MandyManners
"I wish Rudy had run." ME TOO! WTH happened to his "campaign" anyway? I think he'd have destroyed Obama at the debates.

998 CIA Reject  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 7:51:26am

re: #971 DeafDog

Good one!

I'm stealing it...

999 Ben Hur  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 7:51:45am

Rwanda: 'The Israel of Africa'

My head just exploded.

Has any non-Muslim BBC employee actually ever been to Israel?

1000 smokefire  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 7:52:07am

re: #996 Spiny Norman

No, work release.

work gangs, picking up the trash on the Penn. Turnpike

1001 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 7:52:09am

re: #977 Nevergiveup

Officer punished for fighting in Gaza
Paratroopers lieutenant attending IDF academy joins comrades fighting in Strip sans superiors' permission, tried for disobeying order, sent to 21 days in brig. Sentence eventually commuted by head of GOC Army Headquarters

[Link: www.ynetnews.com...]

I'd say he was one motivated soldier.

Good man. Exactly the kind of attitude that gets punished in this new age.

/good grief.

1002 realwest  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 7:53:05am

re: #861 Bloodnok
Well someone upthread had an even better idea than mine - put a teeny pin hole in Obama's eye (on the CAN of Pepsie, I mean) and drain 'em all dry. What better way to say Obama has nothing inside him?!

1003 smokefire  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 7:53:07am

re: #999 Ben Hur

Rwanda: 'The Israel of Africa'

My head just exploded.

Has any non-Muslim BBC employee actually ever been to Israel?

WTF. Are you kidding me?

1004 Capitalist Tool  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 7:53:10am

I've been here before- back in the early 70's...
these times are as surreal as anything rolled around in an Orange Barrel.

1005 midwestgak  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 7:53:11am

re: #997 realwest

"I wish Rudy had run." ME TOO! WTH happened to his "campaign" anyway? I think he'd have destroyed Obama at the debates.

No question. But the wiley OB would have weaseled around to avoid true one-on-one debates.

1006 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 7:53:12am

re: #993 Kenneth

AIDS is spreading in Iran mostly on account of the rampant heroin addiction. Another feature of the "perfect" Islamic republic.

I thought they didn't have junkies there either. Why would anyone need drugs living in an Islamic society, based on the perfect life of the perfect prophet (pork and bacon upon him)?
/

Seriously, heroin is probably cheap there, imported directly from the Taliban in Afghanistan.

1007 DeafDog  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 7:53:32am

re: #981 Ben Hur

Obama Stimulus Plan: White Males Need Not Apply

**cough** Reperations. **cough**

Sorry. Had to clear my throat.

1008 vapig  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 7:53:45am

re: #983 Spiny Norman

Unfortunately, it will take quite a bit of damage before the voters wake up to what colossal idiots those two are.

The problem with this is the fact that the Bush tax cuts will be allowed to expire in 2010 - the year of the election. People will not feel this in their wallets until 2011 after the election. If the tax cuts were to expire this year, we'd feel it next year and that would effect the election.

Obama is not the barnicle-head everyone thinks he is. Despite Pelosi, et al, urging him to repeal them now, he knows that if he just lets them expire on their own it will be too late to effect the 2010 election.

1009 Spiny Norman  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 7:53:55am

re: #999 Ben Hur

Rwanda: 'The Israel of Africa'

My head just exploded.

Has any non-Muslim BBC employee actually ever been to Israel?

Of course not. Too many of "those people" there.

1010 CIA Reject  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 7:54:10am

re: #988 jorline

Good to see you too Jorline! I saw your post about how business is so I won't ask.

And yes, I think the environment we're headed into is going to be hostile to just about anybody who works for a living...

1011 Spare O'Lake  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 7:54:25am

re: #976 Bubblehead II

And the circle is complete.
Neo-Nazis plan Gaza 'Holocaust' vigil in BerlinYour text to link...
Hatred of Jews and Israel has over the years, particularly since the Second Lebanon War in 2006, unified diverse political groups in Germany, ranging from members of the German Left Party to pro-Hizbullah and pro-Hamas Islamists, to the NPD.
*spit*

Through the ages Jews have possessed the unique capacity, merely by daring to exist, to unify diverse groups of losers, including but not limited to Europeans and Arabs alike.

1012 vxbush  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 7:54:32am

re: #1005 midwestgak

No question. But the wiley OB would have weaseled around to avoid true one-on-one debates.

I don't think Rudy was ever given a chance because the media destroyed him before his campaign even started. They knew he would be dangerous to any Democrat candidate, so they purposefully slanted the news against him. That's why McCain was pushed; he was an easier target.

1013 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 7:55:27am

Later lizards... keep the faith.

1014 realwest  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 7:55:49am

re: #865 jaunte
Hey jaunte - reported that, hoping Charles can make a thread out of it or at least part of a thread over the failure of Congresscritters to do their jobs while filling their own pockets - see, e.g., Senatory Chris Dodd as well as his cohort in crime Barney Franks - we ain't EVER gonna get the economy turned around with crooks running the show.

1015 3 wood  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 7:55:54am

The market is now down about 2% on the day.

Since the Messiah got sworn in, the Dow is down 3%.

1016 Spiny Norman  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 7:56:07am

re: #1008 vapig

The problem with this is the fact that the Bush tax cuts will be allowed to expire in 2010 - the year of the election. People will not feel this in their wallets until 2011 after the election. If the tax cuts were to expire this year, we'd feel it next year and that would effect the election.

Obama is not the barnicle-head everyone thinks he is. Despite Pelosi, et al, urging him to repeal them now, he knows that if he just lets them expire on their own it will be too late to effect the 2010 election.

Chicago neighborhood enforcers ward bosses community organizers are pretty shrewd.

1017 MandyManners  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 7:56:15am

WWD is published by Advanced Publications the parent company of Conde Nast. It also publishes Vanity Fair, Vogue, G.Q., and others, as well as a lot of newspapers.

I'm thinking they're gonna' give WAB a ride.

1018 notutopia  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 7:56:29am

Foolery, sir, does walk about the orb, like the sun; it shines everywhere.

— William Shakespeare, Twelfth Night

Troofer Foolery or Historian?
Nazi angel of death Josef Mengele 'created twin town in Brazil'
[Link: www.telegraph.co.uk...]

1019 albusteve  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 7:56:37am

re: #986 quickjustice

I think Obama's very intelligent and charming. That makes him very dangerous. I think his "empty suit" persona a mask for something far more sinister. He's come to power prematurely. That means a steep learning curve that may benefit his opponents.

Obama's also been lucky in his timing. You predict that his character flaws eventually will expose him. That's true only if the media (or other people) expose those flaws.

Conservatives have been outflanked and outsmarted by acolytes of Alinsky. I don't see any sudden awakening that suggests that they've become more astute. They want to sit around and talk about ideology. They never seem to get to how to execute their ideology in a way that improves the lives of average Americans. Until they figure that out, Obama and his allies will continue to defeat them.

I absolutely agree...BO IS the MSM...my dire enemy...conservatism is nearly dead imo

1020 DeafDog  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 7:57:15am

re: #999 Ben Hur

Rwanda: 'The Israel of Africa'

My head just exploded.

Has any non-Muslim BBC employee actually ever been to Israel?

From the articale:

Rwanda has been described by some as the Israel of Africa.

No mention of these 'some' are or why the two are comparable...maybe t has something to do with Rowanda 'high tech' economy?

1021 CIA Reject  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 7:57:33am

re: #1012 vxbush

I don't think Rudy was ever given a chance because the media destroyed him before his campaign even started. They knew he would be dangerous to any Democrat candidate, so they purposefully slanted the news against him. That's why McCain was pushed; he was an easier target.

I agree that the media was afraid of Rudy and wanted to run against McCain, but I also think that the majority of the damage suffered by the Guliani campaign was self-inflicted.

I'd like to see Rudy come back and do it right next time!

1022 realwest  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 7:57:43am

re: #1014 realwest
PIMF: Senator.

1023 jorline  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 7:57:46am

re: #1010 CIA Reject

Good to see you too Jorline! I saw your post about how business is so I won't ask.

And yes, I think the environment we're headed into is going to be hostile to just about anybody who works for a living...

Agree...funny thing is the business has been at a six month low since Tuesday. I'm hoping it changes back!

1024 [deleted]  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 7:58:18am
1025 MandyManners  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 7:58:33am

re: #976 Bubblehead II

And the circle is complete.

Neo-Nazis plan Gaza 'Holocaust' vigil in BerlinYour text to link...

Hatred of Jews and Israel has over the years, particularly since the Second Lebanon War in 2006, unified diverse political groups in Germany, ranging from members of the German Left Party to pro-Hizbullah and pro-Hamas Islamists, to the NPD.

*spit*

Knobloch noted that the alliance between Nazis and the Palestinians was not new and that in 1941 Adolf Hitler met the grand mufti of Jerusalem, Hajj Muhammad Amin al-Husseini, to secure his support for the Holocaust.

I'm glad they included that but, perhaps it would've been better higher up in the article.

1026 Capitalist Tool  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 7:58:46am

My liberal acquaintances just can't get past the cliches and rationalizations.
How safe and righteous they feel themselves to be as they let someone else do their thinking for them.

1027 lawhawk  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 7:58:49am

re: #999 Ben Hur

Rwanda: 'The Israel of Africa'

My head just exploded.

Has any non-Muslim BBC employee actually ever been to Israel?

Has any BBC employee actually been to Rwanda?

Has any BBC employee actually seen a fact? A verifiable fact? Or do they just act like a bunch of s$^# slinging monkeys hoping that whatever they print sticks? [deleted]

1028 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 7:59:24am

re: #999 Ben Hur

Rwanda: 'The Israel of Africa'

It makes sense. After all, Rwanda is noted for being the only advanced, liberal democracy in an area noted for thuggish autocrats; plus Rwanda boasts world-class medical and scientific research capabaility.

/

1029 Kenneth  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 7:59:29am

re: #1006 Kosh's Shadow

Iran has the highest per capita rate of heroin addiction in the world, at about 5.7%. The mullahs get rich controlling the trade, of course.

1030 vapig  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 7:59:31am

re: #992 Nevergiveup

I bet this is gonna make him real popular with his constituents?

They re-elected him after he called them a bunch of redneck rubes (with a real war-hero running against him), so I'm thinking they'll just rationalize it away.

1031 Capitalist Tool  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 7:59:43am

re: #1027 lawhawk

Has any BBC employee actually been to Rwanda?

Has any BBC employee actually seen a fact? A verifiable fact? Or do they just act like a bunch of s$^# slinging monkeys hoping that whatever they print sticks? [deleted]

Have they seen a fact and not bent it to their own agenda?

1032 MandyManners  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 7:59:49am

re: #978 buzzsawmonkey

No, I don't. I did some work for them some 20 years ago, I think--or maybe it was one of their sister publications.

I did some quick research for No. 1017.

1033 quickjustice  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 7:59:56am

re: #908 Taqiyyotomist

I agree. While in Paris last March, I met a very attractive black couple from California at the Eiffel Tower. As fellow Americans, we began chatting. They were both employed in excellent jobs, were well-educated (Ivy League), and upper middle class in the best sense of the phrase. The topic soon swung around to politics, and they were very excited about Obama. They were very pleasant and attractive. I enjoyed speaking with them.

They then began questioning me about whether I thought that Obama would be assassinated, whether I thought white people were deliberately spreading the AIDS virus, and similar topics. Shocking conspiracy theories with no basis in fact. They had heard these allegations in their black church. Obviously, I told them I didn't believe any of it. Coming from these well-educated people, I realized that a pathology has infected our black churches and communities that is far more widespread than I realized. It is disturbing. I'm very worried that Obama and his wife are secret carriers.

1034 midwestgak  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 8:00:01am

re: #1019 albusteve

I absolutely agree...BO IS the MSM...my dire enemy...conservatism is nearly dead imo

Conservatism will never be dead IMHO. It is based on true principles. The truth will never die. It might be smothered/shouted over/poo pooed/mocked, but it will live on despite every effort to silence it.

1035 [deleted]  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 8:00:01am
1036 rawmuse  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 8:00:05am

re: #1007 DeafDog

**cough** Reperations. **cough**

Sorry. Had to clear my throat.

Stay tuned. I figure those are being saved for year 2011.
Obama will sign the bill, the one that comes up every year in the House as if it were dandelions.

1037 smokefire  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 8:00:21am

The Updated Little Red Hen
The little red hen for today's world:
She called all of her Democrat neighbors together and said, 'If we plant this wheat, we shall have bread to eat. Who will help me plant it?'
Not I,' said the cow.
Not I,' said the duck.
'Not I,' said the pig.Not I,' said the goose.

'Then I will do it by myself,' said the little red hen, and so she did. The wheat grew very tall and ripened into golden grain.

'Who will help me reap my wheat?' asked the little red hen.

'Not I,' said the duck..
Out of my classification,' said the pig.
'I'd lose my seniority,' said the cow.
I'd lose my unemployment compensation,' said the goose.

'Then I will do it by myself,' said the little red hen, and so she did.

At last it came time to bake the bread.
Who will help me bake the bread?' asked the little red hen.
'That would be overtime for me,' said the cow.
I'd lose my welfare benefits,' said the duck.
'I'm a dropout and never learned how,' said the pig.
'If I'm to be the only helper, that's discrimination,' said the goose.

'Then I will do it by myself,' said the little red hen.

She baked five loaves and held them up for all of her neighbors to see. They wanted some and, in fact, demanded a share. But the little red hen said, 'No, I shall eat all five loaves.'

'Excess profits!' cried the cow. (Nancy Pelosi)
Capitalist leech!' screamed the duck. (Barbara Boxer)
I demand equal rights!' yelled the goose. (Jesse Jackson)
The pig just grunted in disdain. (Ted Kennedy)

And they all painted 'Unfair!' picket signs and marched around and around the little red hen, shouting obscenities.

Then the farmer (Obama) came. He said to the little red hen, 'You must not be so greedy.'

'But I earned the bread,' said the little red hen.

'Exactly,' said Barack the farmer. 'That is what makes our free enterprise system so wonderful. Anyone in the barnyard can earn as much as he wants. But under our modern government regulations, the productive workers must divide the fruits of their labor with those who are lazy and idle.'

And they all lived happily ever after, including the little red hen, who smiled and clucked, 'I am grateful, for now I truly understand.'

But her neighbors became quite disappointed in her. She never again baked bread because she joined the 'party' and got her bread free. And all the Democrats smiled. 'Fairness' had been established.

Individual initiative had died, but nobody noticed; perhaps no one cared...so long as there was free bread that 'the rich' were paying for.

I can't help myself

1038 Honorary Yooper  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 8:00:22am

re: #1019 albusteve

I absolutely agree...BO IS the MSM...my dire enemy...conservatism is nearly dead imo

Conservatism just needs a horse pill from Miracle Max.

/Miracle Max: See, there's a big difference between mostly dead, and all dead. Now, mostly dead: he's slightly alive. All dead: well, with all dead, there's usually only one thing that you can do.
Inigo: What's that?
Miracle Max: Go through his clothes and look for loose change.

1039 Ben Hur  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 8:00:42am

re: #1003 smokefire

WTF. Are you kidding me?

No.

My head really did explode.

1040 MandyManners  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 8:01:24am

re: #991 Taqiyyotomist

Which is why I said they should have been the first to desegregate, not the first to "be desegregated". My point exactly.

I grew up in the South and saw first-hand how people segregated themselves at church. It's something I useta' think about but, I had no answers.

1041 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 8:01:40am

re: #981 Ben Hur

Obama Stimulus Plan: White Males Need Not Apply

Robert Reich seems to have quite a fixation on white male construction workers.

Sing along, everyone... "It's fun to stay at the Y-M-C-A...!"

1042 Spiny Norman  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 8:02:21am

re: #981 Ben Hur

Obama Stimulus Plan: White Males Need Not Apply

From the link:

Here's Robert Reich on white males:

I am concerned, as I’m sure many of you are, that these jobs not simply go to high-skilled people who are already professionals or to white male construction workers.

Robert Reissscchhh-uh apparently has never been to a construction site (or, at least not recently). Here in the West, construction jobs are completely dominated by Hispanic immigrants, and mostly illegals at that.

1043 Ben Hur  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 8:02:32am

I think it's thread worthy.

1044 [deleted]  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 8:02:38am
1045 DeafDog  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 8:02:43am

re: #1035 buzzsawmonkey

I am nominating Michelle Obama for First Frump.

Yeah, Michelle went from the next Jackie O to the new Barbara Bush with her Innaguration fasion statement.

1046 Taqiyyotomist  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 8:02:50am

Regarding the "panel of midgets" we had to pick from this election:
We are going to get the same next election. Maybe more. The ACORN/Soros/Alinsky combo that gave us Ron Paul and John "take a dive" McCain and who knows how many other of the "candidates" for the Republican primary, they know what works. Dilute the field with 10 Ross Perots, divide the Republicans. Does anyone seriously think that Ron Paul and his supporters were anything but a plant, given their tactics, and his "positions"? I'm guessing there were at least three "plants" in the Primary list. Maybe more.

We need to fix the primary system, so that this cannot happen again. We need to make it so the Dems cannot pick our candidate for us. We need to fix it so that Soros or any other billionaire cannot make all these golem candidates and call them Republican.

McCain spent our money knowing he was not going to win, because he did not want to win. He did what he was told. He did what he always does, what we all knew he always did, but thought, "Hey, he's better than the Democrat." No, sillies, he was working for the Democrat, picked by the Democrats. Leopards don't change their spots. If he had somehow won, he would have been the first to demand a recount.

In 2012 there will be 15 "Republicans" running for the nomination. Maybe two of them will be actual Republicans who actually want to win. Mark my words.

1047 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 8:02:52am

re: #1037 smokefire

Good, but the next year, no one baked the bread, so they all starved. Except for the hen who hid a small garden where the community organizers couldn't see it.

1048 Kenneth  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 8:02:56am

re: #1020 DeafDog

Actually, they do explain why they make the comparison:

However, the presence of Rwandan troops inside Congo is bound to spark controversy and could have a powerful impact across central Africa.

Rwanda has been described by some as the Israel of Africa.

The ethnic Tutsis of Rwanda experienced their genocide in 1994 but a Tutsi-dominated government then came to power and has ruled ever since.

Like the Israelis, the Tutsis have enemies on their borders, and now they have sent in their powerful army to deal with the ones who have bases in neighbouring DR Congo.

Thousands displaced

The parallels with Israel are not exact, of course. Rwanda and Congo have been fighting what amounts to a proxy war: Rwanda accuses Congo of harbouring ethnic Hutu militias who took part in the 1994 genocide and Congo accuses Rwanda of backing a Congolese Tutsi separatist movement.

///You see, like the Jews, the Tutsis use the "excuse" of a holocaust to invade and occupy & oppress their innocent neighbors.

Or, like the Israelis, the UN totally screwed the Tutsis.

1049 eschew_obfuscation  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 8:03:30am

re: #980 vapig

It's too stupid for words, this whole prosecuting them as though they stole a car-stereo thing. That being said: Why would it be prohibited? Mass murders aren't tried for just one murder and prohibited for being prosecuted for the others.

Last I heard, the issue is the evidence obtained from him was gotten using enhanced interrogation techniques and, therefor, not admissible in court.

1050 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 8:03:39am

BDS is still going strong. A typical post on another message board:

"I feel whole again for the 1st time in 8 years"

Sounds like a personal problem to me.

1051 CIA Reject  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 8:03:41am

re: #1023 jorline

Agree...funny thing is the business has been at a six month low since Tuesday. I'm hoping it changes back!

While there is definately an economic component, I think a lot of the business slow-down is psychological. People are spending less, but I think they will loosen up once the MSM starts reporting all the good news that has always been there but that they've ignored to help stoke the "Worst Economy Since The Great Depression" meme for the BO campaign.

Now that he's in it's all sweetness, and light and warm puppy dogs- so I think people will start going out more.

1052 Nancy  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 8:03:55am

re: #969 MandyManners

It reminded me of the Queen of England as well. Except she picks more vibrant colors for her coat-dresses.

1053 lawhawk  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 8:03:56am

re: #1044 buzzsawmonkey

Does this remind anyone else of the so-called "Doctors' Plot" under which Stalin accused a number of Jewish doctors just before his death?

It does, but it's also a test by Ahmadinejad of Obama. He wants to see what the US will do when their own citizens are arrested and tried in a sham trial. BTW, one of the two men involved is a student at my alma mater...

1054 SFGoth  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 8:04:05am

Wow, it is way to early to be prognosticating contenders for '12. BTW, I had some early morning pussy today. Well, to be exact, my stray tabby showed up at 5:45 a.m. banging on the door in the light rain. He didn't like his dinner last night and so didn't eat it. Then reality set in (kinda like when I was a kid). So he finished off his yucky food. I had to put him out when I went to shower later. As I was leaving the house to go pay to bail out California, he showed up again, considerably wetter and actually got into the house before I managed to corral him and toss the 15# feline 'o doom outta there. I'd let him stay, but he tends to go stir crazy after a few hours. But, I gotta say, I [heart] Toonses.

1055 Dustyvet  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 8:04:08am

He also opened the doors to the White House to visitors on Wednesday, meeting with guests in the White House's Blue Room.

"Enjoy yourself, roam around," a smiling Obama told one guest as he shuffled through the room. "Don't break anything."


Wonder if he had signs up that read:

You brake it, you bought it

NO EXCEPTIONS!

1056 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 8:04:16am

re: #1048 Kenneth

Actually, they do explain why they make the comparison:

///You see, like the Jews, the Tutsis use the "excuse" of a holocaust to invade and occupy & oppress their innocent neighbors.

Or, like the Israelis, the UN totally screwed the Tutsis
.

Upding for that one.

1057 opnion  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 8:04:29am

re: #968 Iron Fist

I think Obama is making clear whose side he is on. And it ain't the side of America.


I got a strong impression during the campaign with comments from both Obama's that they think that America is wicked & needs to be punished.
She called America a mean country & he was always scolding us for being selfish.

1058 SurferDoc  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 8:04:41am

re: #1038 Honorary Yooper

Conservatism just needs a horse pill from Miracle Max.

/Miracle Max: See, there's a big difference between mostly dead, and all dead. Now, mostly dead: he's slightly alive. All dead: well, with all dead, there's usually only one thing that you can do.
Inigo: What's that?
Miracle Max: Go through his clothes and look for loose change.

"To the pain!"

1059 smokefire  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 8:05:09am

re: #1044 buzzsawmonkey

Yo, Buzzsaw, is this the story you were talking about?

[Link: www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org...]

1060 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 8:05:10am

re: #1044 buzzsawmonkey

Does this remind anyone else of the so-called "Doctors' Plot" under which Stalin accused a number of Jewish doctors just before his death?

Stalin was quite likely warming up for Shoah, Part Deux. Good thing he kicked when he did. Well, actually, it was way overdue, of course.

1061 Bubblehead II  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 8:05:26am

re: #1011 Spare O'Lake

I've noticed that.

1062 albusteve  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 8:05:36am

re: #1034 midwestgak

Conservatism will never be dead IMHO. It is based on true principles. The truth will never die. It might be smothered/shouted over/poo pooed/mocked, but it will live on despite every effort to silence it.

as a political ideology capable of investing in mainsteam American it is on life support...maybe not quite dead yet...it is being driven underground in it's purest form or swallowed up by moderate liberalism...we be screwed

1063 jorline  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 8:05:38am

re: #1041 Occasional Reader

Robert Reich seems to have quite a fixation on white male construction workers.

Sing along, everyone... "It's fun to stay at the Y-M-C-A...!"

That's only because Reich is an AWM at 4'6" and never made the basketball team. I heard the President can't wait to play him one on one.

1064 vapig  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 8:05:44am

re: #1033 quickjustice

Not so secret, imo...

1065 Kenneth  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 8:06:16am

re: #1052 Nancy

I thought Michelle's dress was made from one of Betty Windsor's handbags.

1066 notutopia  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 8:06:34am

re: #1037 smokefire

Creative.
But, The little red hen would never do that.
She's a conservative republican.
Revised...
And the Democrats all lived unhappily ever after without bread. Eccluding the little red hen, who smiled and clucked, 'I am no fool, for now I truly understand what it means to go John Galt.'

1067 verbatim  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 8:06:36am

re: #1037 smokefire


The Updated Little Red Hen

With your permission, I'd like to give this to a friend of mine to publish on his website.

1068 [deleted]  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 8:07:14am
1069 Kenneth  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 8:07:34am

re: #1060 Occasional Reader

There is a theory that Khrushchev had Stalin poisoned in order to prevent another huge purge that Stalin was planning.

1070 midwestgak  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 8:07:44am

re: #1033 quickjustice

I realized that a pathology has infected our black churches and communities that is far more widespread than I realized. It is disturbing. I'm very worried that Obama and his wife are secret carriers.

About a year ago, I worked with a black gal who had just purchased a picture of the Underground Railroad. She was discussing it with our other black coworker. She said, "It gives me great comfort."

In this day and age? She has a high paying job. I wonder if that gives her any comfort.

1071 VegasRick  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 8:08:00am

re: #1041 Occasional Reader

Robert Reich seems to have quite a fixation on white male construction workers.

Sing along, everyone... "It's fun to stay at the Y-M-C-A...!"

I think he and bawney need a room.

1072 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 8:08:08am

re: #1042 Spiny Norman

Robert Reissscchhh-uh apparently has never been to a construction site (or, at least not recently). Here in the West, construction jobs are completely dominated by Hispanic immigrants, and mostly illegals at that.

Here in the East, too. The average construction worker you see on the street is Hispanic. Reich is stuck on All In The Family reruns.

1073 DeafDog  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 8:08:32am

re: #1048 Kenneth

You edited my comment like the MSM...you deserve a fiskie.

:-)

1074 realwest  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 8:08:36am

re: #914 Taqiyyotomist
Uh, what do you mean? IF all the folks living in a church's geographical area are Black, they shouldn't go to church?
That they shouldn't have taken up the fight for their parishoners? Or, down South here, prior to the 1964 Civil Rights act (when DEMOCRATS RULED THE SOUTH) they shouldn't have attended church at all (cause the white churches sure wouldn't have allowed them in).
Obama's victory isn't a result of Blacks voting overwhelmingly for him; to expect Blacks to NOT vote for the first Black Presidential candidate is silly.
Obama's victory was one part Black support, 4 part white guilt support, and 5 parts MSM support (of course there's always the gender discrimination part,but don't know quite how to quantify that.).

1075 smokefire  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 8:08:43am

re: #1067 verbatim

I found it on Google, and just copied the main part.

Here is the site.
[Link: techrepublic.com.com...]

1076 Taqiyyotomist  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 8:08:52am

re: #1042 Spiny Norman

Updinged for the Reischhh-uh. Classic.

1077 SasquatchOnSteroids  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 8:09:21am

1,457 days, 13 hours, 50 minutes, 30 seconds.

1-20-13

1078 SFGoth  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 8:09:32am

BTW, you've got to hand it to the Left who may have won the war by dumbucating our kids the last 20 years to the point where they're too stupid to understand how government intrusion into reality fucks things up. They don't understand economic consequences (such as the excessive printing of $ for cheap political purposes) and now with Obama's plan to make 1/2 the taxpayers pay all the taxes, he's essentially not only co-opted the middle class, he's made it permanent. By enabling people to purchase gadgets and giving them enough to survive to enjoy those gadgets, he'll eliminate any desire to get "rich". In other words, i-Phone? Check. 50" plasma? Check. Super new computer? Check. Nifty green sedan? Check. Can afford good vodka at clubs? Check. "Free" health insurance? Check. Why work hard enough to get rich? Well, the Religious Right will always have Jesus.

1079 Stonemason  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 8:10:29am

re: #1042 Spiny Norman

Here in PA, well, in SE PA, the Amish have taken over the buliding and roofing, masonry too, the Imigrants do the painting and dry-wall, the plumbing and electric are still mostly white males.

As far as governent jobs, streets and such, that is highly integrated, everyone BUT the Amish really.

1080 smokefire  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 8:10:36am

re: #1068 buzzsawmonkey

Attaboy for me today.

Only problem is that it is canceled out by all of my Oh Shit's

1081 VegasRick  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 8:11:03am

re: #1050 Who Watches the Watchmen?

BDS is still going strong. A typical post on another message board:

"I feel like an asswhole again for the 1st time in just like the last 8 years"

Sounds like a personal problem to me.

1082 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 8:11:12am

re: #1042 Spiny Norman

Robert Reissscchhh-uh apparently has never been to a construction site

Well, he's been to them, he just can't see over the fence.

1083 WriterMom  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 8:12:00am

Last call for Toronto lizard lunch!
Today, downtown location!

1084 Syrah  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 8:12:12am

I am off to work, while there is still work to do.

January 22, 2009 6:08 AM
Microsoft cutting 1,400 jobs today; up to 5,000 in next 18 months as recession hits harder

Posted by Benjamin J. Romano

In a press release issued moments ago, Microsoft announced that it is cutting up to 5,000 jobs in research and development, marketing, sales, finance, legal, human resources and IT in the next 18 months, starting with 1,400 today.

1085 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 8:12:34am

re: #1081 VegasRick

Indeed™.

1086 Bubblehead II  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 8:12:37am

re: #1023 jorline

Do you have any new markings on your Restaurant?

1087 realwest  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 8:12:50am

re: #929 smokefire
No, I called for the Hamas leadership - you know those guys who want to kill every Jew and destroy Israel as a state? - and their fighters. I stand by that.
Wanting to kill someone who has been killing your family and friends and has decided and declared he wants to kill ALL OF YOU isn't wrong. You didn't make a distinction between the leaders and fighters and the remainder of the Jordyptians living in Gaza.

1088 godfrey  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 8:12:52am
scolding us for being selfish

GOP types are just the opposite: compare charitable giving between the two parties. No contest. What Obama doesn't understand is the following dynamic:

1. People create new wealth.
2. They get richer.
3. They then have more disposable cash.
4. They look for ways to shelter it.
5. With charitable giving and tax deductions, they preserve both their wealth, which enables them to take more risks, and their capacity to help out directly where it's needed.

In Obama World, we will experience this:

1. People will not create new wealth.
2. People will get poorer.
3. They will have less disposable cash.
4. Most of them won't pay any taxes as individuals, but if they own businesses, they'll get reamed.
5. They'll get tighter with their money and start barking for government to do something instead of them.

This will enable Obama to gain more control of the economy to enlarge the scope and services of Government, and to take away the function of charitable giving.

Presto, "We" will become "less selfish" because we'll be forced to fork over more of our money to Obama, who will be less selfish for us. Because, you know, all that charitable giving is too chaotic for the likes of Enlightened Leaders like Obama. People might be giving to the wrong charities, and we can't have that kind of choice, now, can we?

1089 SFGoth  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 8:12:53am

re: #1079 Stonemason

Here in PA, well, in SE PA, the Amish have taken over the buliding and roofing, masonry too, the Imigrants do the painting and dry-wall, the plumbing and electric are still mostly white males.

As far as governent jobs, streets and such, that is highly integrated, everyone BUT the Amish really.

I don't get the Amish. Why be stuck back in the technology of the 1700's? Why not just go back to the late Stone Age? I think it's hubris. OTOH, if the women wore Georgian decolletage styles...

1090 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 8:12:54am

re: #1083 WriterMom

Last call for Toronto lizard lunch!
Today, downtown location!

Ah, what the hell, I'll go. Alfred! Fuel up the OccasionalJet!

1091 smokefire  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 8:13:35am

re: #1083 WriterMom

...And here is the entertainment[Link: video.google.com...]

1092 Stonemason  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 8:13:43am

re: #1051 CIA Reject


the "Worst Economy Since The Great Depression" meme for the BO campaign.

that is what kills me, dang it, has any one actually had to walk to California looking for work? Is the middle of this great nation a dust bowl?

NO...there were just as many crops plowed under this year to keep the prices high as last year. Yes, the financial economy sucks, and is getting worse, but most people are still eating, still driving, still spending money. I waited in line or gas yesterday not because the pumps were limited but because every one of them was being used.

1093 Jetpilot1101  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 8:13:53am

re: #1084 Syrah

The market is giving up all of yesterday's gains. The market is running out of dead cat bounces and pretty soon, it's just going to head south.

1094 WriterMom  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 8:14:23am

re: #881 Nevergiveup

You'll have to ask his therapist.

1095 HoosierHoops  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 8:14:37am

re: #1083 WriterMom

Last call for Toronto lizard lunch!
Today, downtown location!


I'll need to come up there sometime and join in the lizard lunch..
Plus I need another box of Cubans for 2009.

1096 smokefire  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 8:14:47am

re: #1087 realwest

No, I called for the Hamas leadership - you know those guys who want to kill every Jew and destroy Israel as a state? - and their fighters. I stand by that.
Wanting to kill someone who has been killing your family and friends and has decided and declared he wants to kill ALL OF YOU isn't wrong. You didn't make a distinction between the leaders and fighters and the remainder of the Jordyptians living in Gaza.

That is what I meant also, but got out of control, and generalized too much.

1097 WriterMom  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 8:14:48am

re: #1090 Occasional Reader

Ya big tease...

1098 SFGoth  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 8:15:20am

I'm sure this has been posted, but I agree with it.
www.jewishworldreview.com/jonathan/mark_israel_lost.php3
WTF Israel?

1099 godfrey  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 8:15:30am

re: #1095 HoosierHoops

How about a Lizard Lunch in Chicago?

1100 redstateredneck  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 8:15:52am

re: #1000 smokefire

I haven't awarded a K-spot prize in quite some time so this is quite an occasion.

Ahem...on behalf of the dead thread, I hereby award you this highly coveted lizard plaque.
This particular plaque has never been used as a k-spot award before.

1101 WriterMom  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 8:15:57am

re: #1055 Dustyvet

You already bought all that stuff as taxpayers. The sign would be more like "you bought it, I'm liking it".

1102 VegasRick  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 8:16:00am

re: #1085 Who Watches the Watchmen?

Indeed™.

Jerkoffs.

1103 DeafDog  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 8:16:21am

re: #1093 Jetpilot1101

The market is giving up all of yesterday's gains. The market is running out of dead cat bounces and pretty soon, it's just going to head south.

BTW - I note that tax free municipal bonds seem to be doing well in this environment.

1104 albusteve  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 8:16:26am

re: #1089 SFGoth

I don't get the Amish. Why be stuck back in the technology of the 1700's? Why not just go back to the late Stone Age? I think it's hubris. OTOH, if the women wore Georgian decolletage styles...

hubris?...false pride?...that's just bullshit amigo...they are not stuck, you are projecting

1105 sattv4u2  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 8:16:46am

re: #1089 SFGoth

I don't get the Amish. Why be stuck back in the technology of the 1700's? Why not just go back to the late Stone Age? I think it's hubris. OTOH, if the women wore Georgian decolletage styles...

The Amish use the wheel and clothing extensivly!

1106 HoosierHoops  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 8:16:48am

re: #1099 godfrey

How about a Lizard Lunch in Chicago?

That sounds good...But still I can't buy Cubans in Chicago..

1107 WriterMom  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 8:17:01am

re: #1095 HoosierHoops

Sure. But wait a minute-I thought you were a girl lizard...I guess you're a boy lizard. Now-if you are a girl lizard who smokes cigars-I can deal with that, but it wasn't what I was expecting.

1108 vxbush  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 8:17:09am

re: #1052 Nancy

It reminded me of the Queen of England as well. Except she picks more vibrant colors for her coat-dresses.

You may have hit on it. She may be trying to dress the part of a first lady, and not like Laura Bush's style, decide to use the Queen to set her standard with her own personal choice of colors.

I actually didn't mind the dress or the color.

1109 sattv4u2  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 8:17:16am

re: #1099 godfrey

How about a Lizard Lunch in Chicago?

Couldn't we have Italian instead? Or maybe Chinese!

1110 SFGoth  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 8:17:19am

re: #1099 godfrey

How about a Lizard Lunch in Chicago?

Anyone want to meet up in the belly of the beast, I just restocked my wine collection last weekend and I'm bursting to dig into my remaining 02 and 03 bottles.

1111 sattv4u2  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 8:18:06am

re: #1106 HoosierHoops

That sounds good...But still I can't buy Cubans in Chicago..

but if you go to Home Depot you can rent Mexicans!

BAD SATT ,,, BAD BAD BAD !

1112 WriterMom  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 8:18:08am

Did someone just use the term "dumbducated"? If they did-that's hilarious. If not-IT'S MINE ALL MINE!

1113 Kenneth  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 8:18:15am

re: #1078 SFGoth

Theodore Dalrymple wrote about that effect of the modern British welfare state. The socialist consumerism which absolves adults of all adult responsibilities while rewarding them with shallow material excess. The result is a nation of drunken yobs, adult size brats.

(sorry I couldn't find the essay, he writes so many)

1114 midwestgak  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 8:18:17am

re: #1099 godfrey

How about a Lizard Lunch in Chicago?

HuHAAA! maybe a suburb instead? Hate the city proper.

1115 WriterMom  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 8:18:24am

re: #1111 sattv4u2

HAHAHHAHA

1116 jorline  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 8:19:08am

re: #1086 Bubblehead II

Do you have any new markings on your Restaurant?

LOL...no, but I do have one guy that likes row 2 picture five.

1117 CIA Reject  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 8:19:17am

re: #1092 Stonemason

And the worst part of it all, IMHO, is that when the normal business cycle runs its course and things start to improve:

1- BO will get all the credit.
2- All the idiots who actually buy into the "Worst Economy Since the Great Depression" will have the nerve to think that they ACTUALLY LIVED THROUGH "The Great Depression II". This is an insult to those in my parents' generation who lived through the REAL Great Depression.

The whole idea of an "Erzats" Great Depression survivor is repellent to me.

1118 [deleted]  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 8:19:17am
1119 Stonemason  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 8:19:18am

re: #1089 SFGoth

Not real sure about why they stopped advancing when they did, but some of the ways in which they stretch the rules are hilarious. There can be a phone in the barn 'cause the livestock are more important than people (electricity too). They can have a 10 hp Honda on the planter pulled by the horses. And hey all use brand new power tools when building houses for the 'english'.

1120 yma o hyd  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 8:19:51am

Hiya, Lizard Nation!

Blimey - did we have some rain during the night!
Playing fields are muddy - you should have seen the state of the dogs who played there early this morning. Lots of bathing going on afterwards, methinks.

1121 aboo-Hoo-Hoo  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 8:20:12am

Malaysia 'very happy' with Obama's plans for Muslim world: PM

Malaysian Premier Abdullah Ahmad Badawi Thursday said he was "happy" new US President Barack Obama plans to engage the Muslim world, but wants action and a less confrontational approach.

Abdullah was responding to Obama's inaugural speech, in which the president promised to "seek a new way forward" with the Muslim world, "based on mutual interest and mutual respect."

"(Obama) said the right thing (which) we are very happy with," Abdullah told state news agency Bernama.

"We welcome his statement but we will like to see action to be taken," he added.

"I welcome his inaugural speech and I am sure there will be a big change in the foreign policy of the United States, especially on certain aspects that are regarded as very confrontational."{editorial translation: Like the US support of those damned Israeli's who keep defending themselves - KNOCK.IT.OFF!}

1122 midwestgak  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 8:20:36am

re: #1110 SFGoth

Anyone want to meet up in the belly of the beast, I just restocked my wine collection last weekend and I'm bursting to dig into my remaining 02 and 03 bottles.

mmm. Wine.

1123 jorline  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 8:21:32am

re: #1088 godfrey

GOP types are just the opposite: compare charitable giving between the two parties. No contest. What Obama doesn't understand is the following dynamic:

1. People create new wealth.
2. They get richer.
3. They then have more disposable cash.
4. They look for ways to shelter it.
5. With charitable giving and tax deductions, they preserve both their wealth, which enables them to take more risks, and their capacity to help out directly where it's needed.

In Obama World, we will experience this:

1. People will not create new wealth.
2. People will get poorer.
3. They will have less disposable cash.
4. Most of them won't pay any taxes as individuals, but if they own businesses, they'll get reamed.
5. They'll get tighter with their money and start barking for government to do something instead of them.

This will enable Obama to gain more control of the economy to enlarge the scope and services of Government, and to take away the function of charitable giving.

Presto, "We" will become "less selfish" because we'll be forced to fork over more of our money to Obama, who will be less selfish for us. Because, you know, all that charitable giving is too chaotic for the likes of Enlightened Leaders like Obama. People might be giving to the wrong charities, and we can't have that kind of choice, now, can we?

Well put...thanks godfrey.

Let's hope the ghost of Ronald Reagan visits the White House Oval Office soon.

1124 smokefire  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 8:22:27am

re: #1100 redstateredneck

I haven't awarded a K-spot prize in quite some time so this is quite an occasion.

Ahem...on behalf of the dead thread, I hereby award you this highly coveted lizard plaque.
This particular plaque has never been used as a k-spot award before.

On behalf of myself, my wife, my cat, I want to take this opportunity to thank all of those who made this possible
{Wife in other room...Oh shut up already. And When are you going to go back to work?

1125 realwest  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 8:22:48am

re: #986 quickjustice
ONE successful terrorist attack in America. That's all it will take to unhinge him. I don't WANT that to happen, but am afraid it will and he isn't smart enough, sharp enough or well advised enough to do what needs to be done to protect us.
Alinsky never covered that part of the program.

1126 quickjustice  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 8:22:58am

re: #1062 albusteve

I'm myself a conservative, but I think that as a group, conservatives have spent too much time on ideological purity, and too little time on "rubber meets the road" real world policies. Example: if we abolish Medicare, what do we replace it with, if anything? That's why I liked Rudy Giuliani. He was to my left ideologically, but was great at putting policies into place that ACTUALLY drove down crime in NYC, and ACTUALLY put welfare recipients back to work in NYC.

That's how he was elected and re-elected in NYC, where Democrat registration outnumbers GOP registration 5-1. We need practical people in office who can implement conservative policies in the real world. It should be obvious how everyone in the community benefits from these policies. And successful conservative policies flip Democrats to Republicans, either in voting or in registration.

I'm not pessimistic, except about the ability of our current leadership to make this happen. Conservatives need new, practical leaders.

1127 Stonemason  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 8:22:59am

re: #1117 CIA Reject

Bingo, people will feel as if they sacrificed something when they will have no clue what my grandparents went through. I know that I am generalizing and that things are tough for some, but for the most part, we are not suffering at all.

1128 Kenneth  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 8:23:00am

re: #1107 WriterMom

Oh great, the day I can't make it, & you're having Lizard Table Dancing!

1129 vxbush  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 8:23:40am

re: #1122 midwestgak

mmm. Wine.

Hey, Gak: is it my turn in the Scrabble game? I'm rather lost at the moment. I didn't check my email last night.

1130 apachegunner  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 8:23:44am

re: #1110 SFGoth

Anyone want to meet up in the belly of the beast, I just restocked my wine collection last weekend and I'm bursting to dig into my remaining 02 and 03 bottles.

Goth, how many SF lizards are there anyway, you gotta be lonely.

1131 Kenneth  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 8:24:35am

re: #1130 apachegunner

Goth, how many SF lizards are there anyway, you gotta be lonely.

In the whole Bay area there's SFGoth, Zombie... anybody else?

1132 Stonemason  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 8:25:12am

re: #1119 Stonemason

All that said, they can do as they please, the crime rate in their communities is incredibly low, and they make great pies, great scrapple, and absolutely wonderful chicken corn chowder.

1133 sattv4u2  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 8:25:14am

re: #1125 realwest

ONE successful terrorist attack in America. That's all it will take to unhinge him.

It may "unhinge him" in private, but the sycophants that have brought him to us will blame the "failed policies of the past" (read: Bush's fault)

1134 godfrey  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 8:25:34am

re: #1110 SFGoth

Good Lord, man, sign me up.

1135 SFGoth  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 8:26:02am

re: #1113 Kenneth

Theodore Dalrymple wrote about that effect of the modern British welfare state. The socialist consumerism which absolves adults of all adult responsibilities while rewarding them with shallow material excess. The result is a nation of drunken yobs, adult size brats.

(sorry I couldn't find the essay, he writes so many)

You guys should read the write-in at the various online UK newspapers. Talk about BDS (Britain Derangement Syndrome) but these days, it's spot on. England (I have no idea which name I should use, but I know it's not UK) is perhaps the most F'd up country in Western Europe, and probably competes well with Eastern Europe for that prize.

1136 yma o hyd  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 8:26:11am

re: #1108 vxbush

You may have hit on it. She may be trying to dress the part of a first lady, and not like Laura Bush's style, decide to use the Queen to set her standard with her own personal choice of colors.

I actually didn't mind the dress or the color.

Welll ...
The Queen would never ever wear a cardigan under a coat, on formal occasions!
She knows how to dress for cold weather - there are ways ...
But cardi and scarf -no way!
And the Queen would never ever wear green gloves and shoes with a yellow dress. Horrible, that.
As for crystal embroiderie - no, thats overdone in daytime, and not necessary for evening, seeing that the Queen has one of the best jewellery collections on earth ...

1137 abolitionist  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 8:26:54am

re: #1046 Taqiyyotomist

Very good post.

... If he [McCain] had somehow won, he would have been the first to demand a recount. ...

LOL

1138 Spare O'Lake  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 8:26:59am

re: #1035 buzzsawmonkey

I am nominating Michelle Obama for First Frump.

She's ugly but she sure can cook.
My guess is that she and her mom went shopping and chose this ugly shit all by themselves after they had a big expensive caviar lunch on someone else's tab.

1139 godfrey  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 8:27:22am

re: #1123 jorline

Yes, but the irony is, low tax rates result in higher government tax revenue. Remember Tip O'Neill? He was in clover.

/and in his cups

1140 SFGoth  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 8:28:12am

re: #1119 Stonemason

Not real sure about why they stopped advancing when they did, but some of the ways in which they stretch the rules are hilarious. There can be a phone in the barn 'cause the livestock are more important than people (electricity too). They can have a 10 hp Honda on the planter pulled by the horses. And hey all use brand new power tools when building houses for the 'english'.

Yeah, it's called emotional masturbation. Frankly, I think it's gay, and if that comment pisses people off, get out yer stocks and come get me.

1141 redstateredneck  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 8:28:54am

re: #1129 vxbush

Hey, Gak: is it my turn in the Scrabble game? I'm rather lost at the moment. I didn't check my email last night.

Yes, girl!

1142 midwestgak  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 8:28:59am

re: #1129 vxbush

Hey, Gak: is it my turn in the Scrabble game? I'm rather lost at the moment. I didn't check my email last night.

Either red or you. Reine played early yesterday morning.

1143 Stonemason  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 8:29:04am

re: #1125 realwest

I don't think it will. We need to understand that the main terrorists are not stupid. They didn't even think about destroying LA or San Fran, they know those cities are sympathetic. Where NYC may be mostly liberal, the towers were not. These terrorists know how to play the public and will most likely not attack America, in America as long as BHO is in office.

1144 Kenneth  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 8:29:04am

re: #1115 WriterMom

11:24 AM EST

TORONTO — There are reports of a track-level subway shooting near the Osgoode station in downtown Toronto.

Youts, my guess.

1145 reine.de.tout  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 8:29:51am

re: #1142 midwestgak

Either red or you. Reine played early yesterday morning.

And has been anxiously waiting ever since.

1146 SFGoth  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 8:30:59am

re: #1130 apachegunner

Goth, how many SF lizards are there anyway, you gotta be lonely.

Intellectually, I have to pick my spots. OTOH, we have faboo events here in S.F., like [Link: www.edwardianball.com...] I can hobnob with the Left when it's corseted and well-dressed. ;-> Oh man, time to get to work.

1147 reine.de.tout  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 8:31:15am

re: #1136 yma o hyd

Welll ...
The Queen would never ever wear a cardigan under a coat, on formal occasions!
She knows how to dress for cold weather - there are ways ...
But cardi and scarf -no way!
And the Queen would never ever wear green gloves and shoes with a yellow dress. Horrible, that.
As for crystal embroiderie - no, thats overdone in daytime, and not necessary for evening, seeing that the Queen has one of the best jewellery collections on earth ...

Are you sure that was a cardigan under the coat? I thought so too, but after looking some more I think it was the ends of the ribbon used to tie the coat closed that made it look as if she had on a cardigan under the coat.

1148 midwestgak  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 8:31:15am

re: #1143 Stonemason

I don't think it will. We need to understand that the main terrorists are not stupid. They didn't even think about destroying LA or San Fran, they know those cities are sympathetic. Where NYC may be mostly liberal, the towers were not. These terrorists know how to play the public and will most likely not attack America, in America as long as BHO is in office.

Huh? I need some convincing.

1149 vxbush  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 8:32:38am

re: #1136 yma o hyd

Welll ...
The Queen would never ever wear a cardigan under a coat, on formal occasions!
She knows how to dress for cold weather - there are ways ...
But cardi and scarf -no way!
And the Queen would never ever wear green gloves and shoes with a yellow dress. Horrible, that.
As for crystal embroiderie - no, thats overdone in daytime, and not necessary for evening, seeing that the Queen has one of the best jewellery collections on earth ...

All true. But again, she's trying to emulate a style but keep her own taste. Now, granted, I was viewing the inauguration via a rather low-quality online video feed, so I couldn't see the crystal embroidery that well. I know everyone here was ragging on her gloves, but I didn't get a good look at them.

1150 godfrey  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 8:32:47am

re: #1146 SFGoth

Ah, another Gorey fan. Count me in, but no face paint.

1151 JacksonTn  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 8:32:50am

re: #1147 reine.de.tout

Are you sure that was a cardigan under the coat? I thought so too, but after looking some more I think it was the ends of the ribbon used to tie the coat closed that made it look as if she had on a cardigan under the coat.

Hey Reine ...it was some sort of cardigan probably in there to help keep her warm ...you need to go over to Hillbuzz and see the post about her clothes ...only gays guys can critique like that ...so funny ...

1152 HoosierHoops  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 8:32:55am

re: #1107 WriterMom

Sure. But wait a minute-I thought you were a girl lizard...I guess you're a boy lizard. Now-if you are a girl lizard who smokes cigars-I can deal with that, but it wasn't what I was expecting.


Sorry to disappoint.. I'm a guy.

1153 Stonemason  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 8:33:06am

re: #1140 SFGoth

I'm gonna disagree with ya there and call it faith, or a lifestyle, kinda like maybe the...uhhh...goth lifestyle. I know many personally from pure to simple Mennonites and it is faith, nothing more, nothing less. They do adapt to our world so they are not backwards as many call them.

1154 vxbush  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 8:33:15am

re: #1145 reine.de.tout

And has been anxiously waiting ever since.

What? You got some killer word waiting to be played so you can jump into first place? :D

1155 Kenneth  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 8:33:52am

re: #1135 SFGoth

I read the online UK papers. And yes, they are seriously screwed up.

BTW: Great Britain is the geographical landmass, the largest of the British Isles. England is the English part of Great Britain, excluding Wales and Scotland. The name of the modern state is the United Kingdom, which includes England, Wales, Scotland, the Channel Islands, Northern Island, the Falkland Islands, Gibraltar, Diego Garcia and various other small territories scattered across the globe.

1156 WriterMom  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 8:34:04am

re: #1152 HoosierHoops

Who says I'm disappointed? LOL. PLEASE NOTE: I like guys.

1157 Dustyvet  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 8:34:12am

re: #1099 godfrey

How about a Lizard Lunch in Chicago?

With the Chicago tax rate, can we do it in Lake County?...

1158 midwestgak  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 8:34:21am

re: #1152 HoosierHoops

Sorry to disappoint.. I'm a guy.

You're not a disappointment Hoosier: )

1159 WriterMom  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 8:34:23am

re: #1144 Kenneth

Ruh Roh.

1160 reine.de.tout  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 8:35:13am

re: #1154 vxbush

What? You got some killer word waiting to be played so you can jump into first place? :D

No, not yet, I seem to get those at the end of a game.
I have only one vowel.
I'm hoping to find a place to play several letters to increase my chance of getting some vowels.
Hate to swap tiles.

1161 godfrey  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 8:35:15am

re: #1157 Dustyvet

Sure, but I was hoping for a picnic on Farrakhan's lawn.

1162 midwestgak  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 8:35:28am

re: #1157 Dustyvet

With the Chicago tax rate, can we do it in Lake County?...

How about Dupage?

1163 Picayune  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 8:35:39am

OT: Executive orders just signed by Pes Obama - Gitmo to close in 1 year - sez we can't compromise our "ideals" for safety. Breaking.

1164 JacksonTn  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 8:35:40am

re: #1159 WriterMom

Here is link from FOX on orders he signed today ...

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

1165 Dustyvet  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 8:36:14am

re: #1161 godfrey

Sure, but I was hoping for a picnic on Farrakhan's lawn.

I like it...:)

1166 midwestgak  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 8:36:21am

re: #1160 reine.de.tout

No, not yet, I seem to get those at the end of a game.
I have only one vowel.
I'm hoping to find a place to play several letters to increase my chance of getting some vowels.
Hate to swap tiles.

You could trade in your tiles and skip a turn///

1167 realwest  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 8:36:43am

re: #1133 sattv4u2
Nope, that's the one thing that they won't be able to credibly blame on Bush - we had NO TERRORIST ATTACKS ON AMERICAN AFTER 9/11 WHILE BUSH WAS PRESIDENT.
No way they can make a case out against Bush for any that occur now (and I again reiterate that I hope NONE do occur).

1168 Taqiyyotomist  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 8:37:09am

re: #1074 realwest

Please don't "uh," me, real. I'm not a racist, nor will I ever be.

You are right. My thoughts on the matter are unformed.

Somehow, in the course of events, the black churches decided to forgo every single theological underpinning of the Christian Church. Maybe becuase all the theologians were white Irish and Englishmen with four initials. Maybe because they assumed that, somehow, white theology led to slavery and racial discrimination (somehow neglecting to remember that established Christian theology directly led to the end of these) A new variant has been developed, a new branch, hell a new tree. I've gone to a few churches in the past many years. "White" churches? Only insofar as they are not "Black" churches. Most had many members of many races, and no, not even the pews were segregated. And the Gospel of Christ was taught, and politics was NOT. And everyone loved everyone there, and race did not exist. There is no monolithic "white" church. I'm sure there are a few that are, but not on the scale of the Ghetto church. There are "Christian Identity" churches which teach white supremacy, but they are such a small percentage of churches in this nation as to be insignificant at best.

I grew up in a black community, as a white boy, so you know. Most of my best friends growing up were black, until the late teen years, when they all, thanks to remnants of Farrakhan and pre-conversion MalcomX teachings, came to the realization that they were not to have any white friends, and were castigated and outcast by their peers, called "Oreos" for even doing so. I have direct, first hand experience with this Ghetto church phenomenon. It's epidemic.

And you're right, real. If the community is all black, well, we can't have a mixed-race church, can we? Maybe all us white folks should go and become members of their churches, with the intent of cleansing them of all that Trinity-United-type insanity. My parents drove us 25 miles into the next county to go to church. Maybe, for the betterment of the local churches, all 5 of them in a small ghetto-anomaly in the country, we should have gone to church locally. I don't know. But it is an epidemic.

And before you get the idea that I think the only problems in the Christian church are in Black America, think again. I've been to a few hillbilly churches, swinginig from the chandeleirs type of churches, weeping in the aisle once a week, beat the wifee and kids the rest of the week, drinking all the way, only to go back and give "Pastor Nail" more money the next sunday. I know about the intentional infiltration by homosexuals of the Catholic seminaries, and the statistics there. But the original thought was about Obama, the inner city, and their church-fed delusions about reality and the mal-formed theology they call "Christian".

And "uh" should be in the LGF dictionary.
"Beginning a sentence with 'Uh," is polite shorthand for 'Hey you troll,'"

1169 Honorary Yooper  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 8:37:26am

re: #1114 midwestgak

HuHAAA! maybe a suburb instead? Hate the city proper.

Oak Brook is always good. Lots of restaurants with decent menus.

1170 Spare O'Lake  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 8:38:04am

re: #999 Ben Hur

Rwanda: 'The Israel of Africa'
The ethnic Tutsis of Rwanda experienced their genocide in 1994 but a Tutsi-dominated government then came to power and has ruled ever since.

Like the Israelis, the Tutsis have enemies on their borders, and now they have sent in their powerful army to deal with the ones who have bases in neighbouring DR Congo.


Tutsis = Jews because both suffered a holocaust.
Both then came to power in their respective homelands.
And both are now engaged in a struggle for survival against their respective hostile neighbours.
OK, so what is so bad about the comparison?

1171 realwest  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 8:38:52am

re: #1143 Stonemason
I pray you're right - but seriously doubt it.

1172 midwestgak  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 8:38:54am

re: #1169 Honorary Yooper

Oak Brook is always good. Lots of restaurants with decent menus.

I concur

1173 Kenneth  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 8:39:32am

re: #1156 WriterMom

You wouldn't know from the company you keep...

1174 Dustyvet  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 8:39:56am

re: #1172 midwestgak

I concur

Mac and Dons supper club in Round Lake Beach is Great...:)

1175 realwest  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 8:40:32am

re: #1148 midwestgak
Not to mention, gak, that the United States is still perceived as the terrorist main enemy. They care little for the nuances of our politics. Just wait until Obama tries to get tough INSIDE PAKISTAN against Al-Q and the Taliban.

1176 SFGoth  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 8:40:40am

re: #1150 godfrey

Ah, another Gorey fan. Count me in, but no face paint.

Are you going? I don't do paint either, except for some occasional eye liner. My cheeks are fairly prominent, my lips are full, and girls swoon over my eyelashes as it is, so I can't pull off makeup. Hell, I don't even shave unless I have court or a social event.

1177 reine.de.tout  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 8:41:05am

re: #1151 JacksonTn

Hey Reine ...it was some sort of cardigan probably in there to help keep her warm ...you need to go over to Hillbuzz and see the post about her clothes ...only gays guys can critique like that ...so funny ...

Yep, there was a cardigan there.
Both outfits were awful, no evidence of any sense of style or taste or appropriateness there.
I hope she finds someone to help her out.

1178 Taqiyyotomist  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 8:41:21am

re: #1114 midwestgak

Shoot, you all could come up to South Haven. Chicagoans are our lifeblood here, anyway! Heck, in the summer, our population triples!

1179 WriterMom  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 8:41:54am

re: #1173 Kenneth

OH STOP IT!

1180 realwest  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 8:41:54am

re: #1163 Picayune
Breaking? He said he would do it yesterday.

1181 JacksonTn  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 8:42:50am

re: #1177 reine.de.tout

Yep, there was a cardigan there.
Both outfits were awful, no evidence of any sense of style or taste or appropriateness there.
I hope she finds someone to help her out.

I find it very strange because I had thought she had Oprah's stylist ...I don't really care about her clothes ...it is that chip on her shoulder the size of a boulder that I do not like ...

1182 reine.de.tout  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 8:43:02am

re: #1166 midwestgak

You could trade in your tiles and skip a turn///

NOT GONNA HAPPEN.

1183 Dustyvet  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 8:44:06am

re: #1180 realwest

Breaking? He said he would do it yesterday.

Hey now there's an Idea for the Christmas season...GITMO PETS...

1184 vxbush  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 8:45:12am

re: #1182 reine.de.tout

NOT GONNA HAPPEN.

But you did it in that one game. I remember.

Okay, it was my turn, and I've played. Next!

1185 Kenneth  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 8:46:38am

re: #1163 Picayune

Nuance Alert:

The executive order says everyone in custody should be questioned under the Army Field Manual, which is intended for honorable combatants, meaning POWs in a military conflict. The rule would prevent trained interrogators at the CIA from using lawful interrogation techniques against terrorists who have been trained to withstand Army Field Manual techniques.

According to sources in the law enforcement community, the executive order on interrogation does not declare "enhanced interrogation techniques" to be torture; the order is silent on that.

"This allows for a lot of flexibility, a lot of wiggle room," said one source.

While the administration has insisted on one interrogation standard, one source says they are thinking about assembling a group within the next 60 days to make recommendations on a set of separate techniques for the intelligence community to use.

Meanwhile, in 2006, Bush banned the use of waterboarding. He also banned torture. He did authorize a set of "enhanced interrogation techniques" which could be used.

Today, Obama signed a directive which essentially repeated Bush's directives. Hopeychanginess aside, nothing has changed.

1186 Kenneth  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 8:47:56am

re: #1179 WriterMom

Oh admit it, you're curious about an HLE

1187 Ojoe  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 8:50:14am

re: #1042 Spiny Norman

When Ojoe, white professional works (architect), many jobs are generated.

The folly is thicker than the Greenland ice cap now.

1188 midwestgak  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 8:50:59am

re: #1184 vxbush

But you did it in that one game. I remember.

Okay, it was my turn, and I've played. Next!

When I get home.

1189 abolitionist  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 8:51:48am

re: #1089 SFGoth

I don't get the Amish. Why be stuck back in the technology of the 1700's? Why not just go back to the late Stone Age? I think it's hubris. OTOH, if the women wore Georgian decolletage styles...

Well, they are helping to preserve some aspects of our accumulated knowledge. While shying away from much of modern technology, they are applying KISS principles to those essential processes between sunlight on their fields and putting food onto their tables.

1190 Kenneth  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 8:52:02am

Double-plus hopeychanginess:

...according to a draft of the Guantanamo order, "the prompt disposition" of detainee cases should "precede" the closure of the Guantanamo Bay prison. Whether that means the detainees have to be tried if possible before the closure is still unclear.

The draft also appears to indicate that Obama will leave open a back door in the order ending the military tribunals.

Obama has said he wants to end the military commissions process but does not have anything to replace it. So, sources say, the administration will seek recommendations within the next six or seven months on how to try them.

Administration officials indicated they do not want detainees outside of the U.S. to get habeas corpus rights or rights similar to those enjoyed by U.S. citizens. The Obama administration will likely go to Congress for what it wants to accomplish.

So now they don't want habeas corpus? After 7 years of bashing Bush for not providing habeas corpus, now they agree with him?

1191 WriterMom  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 8:52:56am

re: #1186 Kenneth

HLE?

(do I want to know...I'm scared of you)

1192 redstateredneck  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 8:55:00am

re: #1160 reine.de.tout

No, not yet, I seem to get those at the end of a game.
I have only one vowel.
I'm hoping to find a place to play several letters to increase my chance of getting some vowels.
Hate to swap tiles.

Y'all let me be in the lead and think I'm gonna win and then CREAM ME at the last minute.

1193 Pietr  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 8:55:25am

re: #1057 opnion

I got a strong impression during the campaign with comments from both Obama's that they think that America is wicked & needs to be punished.
She called America a mean country & he was always scolding us for being selfish.

You have to remember-these are the LLL. They don't give to charity, and since they only associate with others 3L types, they believe that everyone is as stingy as them! Apparently, they've never read that the US govt is the biggest contributor to charities and disaster relief, and that individual American charitable donating exceeds the US govt contributions worldwide. Just sayin'...

1194 redstateredneck  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 8:55:45am

re: #1166 midwestgak

You could trade in your tiles and skip a turn///

A couple of times; we don't mind...really.

1195 Dustyvet  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 8:56:01am

Authentic Hand Signed Poster & Book Autographed by Barack, Great Gift

No thanks...

Obama Bumper Stickers - Great quality, wide selection of bumper stickers.

Pass...

1196 realwest  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 8:56:26am

re: #1168 Taqiyyotomist
I don't even know where to begin with your comment.
I NEVER CALLED YOU A RACIST. I never thought you were a racist. I use "uh" with lots of folks who make statements I disagree with - just to set the record straight.
And I do love how you use "the Black Church" as if it were some sort of monololithic entity. It's isn't. The Farrahkans and Wrights of this world have unfortunately been around preaching HATE for a looong time now.
Do you think you're the ONLY white boy who used to hang with a racially integrated group who was subsequently "shunned" by his Black former friends? Do you think all white churches in the South - or even a majority of them are "swinginig from the chandeleirs type of churches, weeping in the aisle once a week, beat the wifee and kids the rest of the week, drinking all the way, only to go back and give "Pastor Nail" more money the next sunday."?
The rest of your post has me SO ANGRY that I'm not going to respond.

1197 redstateredneck  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 8:57:02am

re: #1177 reine.de.tout

Yep, there was a cardigan there.
Both outfits were awful, no evidence of any sense of style or taste or appropriateness there.
I hope she finds someone to help her out.

Calling Rue Paul! ! !
She could prol'ly borrow some outfits from him.

1198 Kenneth  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 8:57:14am

Question for Realwest, Lawhawk and other LGF lawyer types:

How is the presidential directive from Obama any different from the policy pursued by the Bush admin? Aside from closing Gitmo and shipping the prisoners somewhere else where they will be detained exactly the same way, it sounds to me to be the same thing.

The order directs all information regarding the remaining 245 detainees be consolidated in a central repository and will create a panel to review those cases and split the detainees up into three categories.

Category one is comprised of the 70 detainees that President Bush sought to repatriate but couldn't because no country wants them, and they would likely be tortured at home. The Obama administration believes they can get foreign countries to take them.

Category two is the group of detainees that can be prosecuted under war crimes in Article III courts federal courts designed to address cases that involve citizens of other countries or tried in modified military commissions. This includes Sept. 11 planner Khalid Sheikh Mohammad. The administration would seek a stay on habeas petitions in Article III courts and continuances on the ongoing military commissions.

Category three is made up of detainees who can't be released and can't be tried. The thought is to create a panel, which could turn into a national security court, to handle these future highest-value detainees to determine prospective policy since terrorists like Al Qaeda chief Usama bin Laden will continue to be caught.

1199 Kenneth  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 8:58:30am

re: #1191 WriterMom

HLE = Harmless Lesbian Experiment

Somebody coined the phrase a few years back when all the TV shows featured lead females characters having HLE's.

1200 redstateredneck  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 8:58:33am

Gotta go do some more work.
:-(
BBL

1201 realwest  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 8:59:52am

re: #1173 Kenneth
Kenneth - just so you'll know, upfront, that I was deeply offended that you dinged up #1168 Taqiyyotomist. Do you really think I use "uh" with which to address trolls? That I was calling him a racist?

1202 Kenneth  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:02:59am

re: #1201 realwest

Sorry about that, I quickly scanned his comment and missed that bit.

In no way do I think you are racist. I have reversed my upding. Taq does have some good points, but he messes them up with his shotgun approach.

1203 Kenneth  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:05:01am

re: #1201 realwest

Actually, I use "um" or "uh" as a way of expressing mild reservations about a comment from an otherwise well regarded lizard. I read your use in the same way.

When addressing trolls I use more direct language.

1204 [deleted]  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:06:31am
1205 SFGoth  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:08:09am

re: #1198 Kenneth

Question for Realwest, Lawhawk and other LGF lawyer types:

How is the presidential directive from Obama any different from the policy pursued by the Bush admin? Aside from closing Gitmo and shipping the prisoners somewhere else where they will be detained exactly the same way, it sounds to me to be the same thing.

The reason they're at GITMO is that because it is not actually U.S. soil, they don't get all of the constitutional guarantees you get if you're here, even if illegally. I do have a major problem, though, with detaining people indefinitely, without charge, until an undeclared "war" on an idea is over. WTF? When we detained Nazis in WWII, we had a hard end point -- the capitulation of Germany.

1206 [deleted]  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:14:01am
1207 Kenneth  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:18:35am

re: #1205 SFGoth

But until Germany surrendered, the end point was indefinite. Nobody knew when it would come. The same is true today in the war against Al Qaeda. One day they will no longer be a threat. But the individual terrorists may still attack innocent people. Why should we free them & allow them the opportunity to do just that?

1208 Ron Shaw  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:21:07am

re: #2 freetoken

Foolery, sir, does walk about the orb like the sun, it shines everywhere.

, but no so bright in the USA as from 1600 Pennsylvania Ave, Washington, D.C...fools, buggers, braggarts, beggars, baggars and vagabonds One and all!

1209 Taqiyyotomist  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:25:21am

re: #1201 realwest

I hear ya, and I apologize for assuming to know your mind regarding "uh,"

re: #1202 Kenneth

I'll try to work on my "shotgun approach". Heh. My anger regarding what has happened to the black community in America is deep-seated, and is derived from a great love of said community. My thoughts on the matter are often clouded by this anger.

1210 SFGoth  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:29:12am

re: #1207 Kenneth

But until Germany surrendered, the end point was indefinite. Nobody knew when it would come. The same is true today in the war against Al Qaeda. One day they will no longer be a threat. But the individual terrorists may still attack innocent people. Why should we free them & allow them the opportunity to do just that?

You're missing the point. We knew exactly what a surrender would be and look like because we had actually declared war on a nation-state. It is not true of Al Qaeda. There isn't even a war against Al Qaeda -- unless I missed that Congressional declaration. We don't even know Al Qaeda's contours or boundaries. It's also not just Al Qaeda. There are splinter groups everywhere. It's Islam, not Al Qaeda. The Cult of Personality here is Mo, not Bin Laden, unlike Nazi Germany, which wouldn't have survived Hitler anyway. This is the result of not only being unable to articulate a policy (in part because the last president couldn't speak coherently in public) but because he extolled the virtues (spit) of Islam at the same time. No, we're a post-modern, namby-pamby, mealy-mouthed country that can't call a spade a spade.

1211 Kenneth  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:40:29am

re: #1209 Taqiyyotomist

My disagreement is over the broad application of the term "the black church' Obviously Rev. Wright's church is not representative of the mainstream black American churches. And realwest wasn't calling you a troll or a racist.

1212 Kenneth  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:41:39am

re: #1210 SFGoth

No, I do understand that point. I just came at it from a different direction.

1213 Taqiyyotomist  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 10:04:24am

re: #1211 Kenneth

Obviously Rev. Wright's church is not representative of the mainstream black American churches.

How is this obvious?

1214 Pietr  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 10:05:02am

re: #1205 SFGoth

The reason they're at GITMO is that because it is not actually U.S. soil, they don't get all of the constitutional guarantees you get if you're here, even if illegally. I do have a major problem, though, with detaining people indefinitely, without charge, until an undeclared "war" on an idea is over. WTF? When we detained Nazis in WWII, we had a hard end point -- the capitulation of Germany.

If they were Taliban, and in uniform-they might have POW rights, under the Geneva convention-which neither Iraq or Afghanistan were signatory's of. But these prisoners were almost all non-uniform combatants! Check out the Hague treaty and Geneva Convention RULES on THAT-they could've just been shot after capture (and a quickly convened military trial for spies/saboteurs) under both of those, IIRC.

1215 dragonladyalso  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 2:00:51pm

Sorry if this is the wrong place to post this but wanted all of you to know what President Obama's economic adviser and Charlie Rangel are up to:

anyone qualified to actually build a bridge need not apply.


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