IDF Denies Italian Newspaper Casualty Report

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Despite the report from Italian newspaper Corriere della sera, Israeli officials are standing by their estimate of 1300 Palestinian casualties in Operation Cast Lead, mostly Hamas fighters.

Despite a report by Lorenzo Cremonesi, a correspondent for Italy’s Corriere della sera, that the number of Palestinians killed in Operation Cast Lead did not exceed five or six hundred, Israeli defense officials on Thursday said there were around 1,300 Palestinians killed during the fighting in Gaza and that a majority of them were Hamas operatives.

The IDF’s Gaza Coordination and Liaison Administration has already compiled a list with 900 names of Palestinians killed during the operation, out of which 750 are believed to be Hamas operatives.

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160 comments
1 Killgore Trout  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 10:54:18am
The vast majority of the Hamas operatives killed were not wearing uniforms to disguise their affiliation, another reason for the exaggerated estimate of civilian casualties by the United Nations.


Surprise!

2 pegcity  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 10:54:46am

what can ya say Europe hates Jews

3 Guanxi88  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 10:55:12am

So, to recap:

IDF stands by Claims of Higher Atrocities; HAMAS disputes genocidal number-crunching.

4 DistantThunder  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 10:55:33am

I thought these people invented math.

5 Racer X  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 10:56:01am

I've told them a hundred million times to not exaggerate.

6 DistantThunder  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 10:56:33am

Wow - the IDF is so selective that it knows the actual names of it's kills?

7 experiencedtraveller  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 10:56:58am
A woman identified as Um Abdullah, 48, spoke of Hamas using UN buildings as launch pads for rockets.

And mosques...and TV stations...and schools...

8 DistantThunder  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 10:57:11am

The Epitome of Hyperbole

9 Silhouette  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 10:57:17am

Any story that has in its core the fact that there are now ~800 less Hamas guys is a good story.

10 Kragar  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 10:57:42am

re: #6 DistantThunder

Wow - the IDF is so selective that it knows the actual names of it's kills?

Well, to be honest, it is kind of easy when 65% of them were named Mohammed.

11 albusteve  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 10:58:00am

re: #9 Silhouette

Any story that has in its core the fact that there are now ~800 less Hamas guys is a good story.

not enough....do over

12 Haole  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 10:58:07am

Maybe they're counting the virgins too?

13 DistantThunder  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 10:58:29am

re: #9 Silhouette

Any story that has in its core the fact that there are now ~800 less Hamas guys is a good story.

And they wanted to be martyrs for allah - it's a Win- Win

14 Silhouette  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 10:59:05am

re: #6 DistantThunder

Wow - the IDF is so selective that it knows the actual names of it's kills?

Kinda puts lie to the accusations that they are firing "indiscriminately."

Can hardly be more discriminate than having a biography on every body bag occupier.

15 DistantThunder  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 10:59:26am

re: #10 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Well, to be honest, it is kind of easy when 65% of them were named Mohammed.

Reminds me of that scene in My Big Fat Greek Wedding:

and this is my nephew Nick, his father Nick and his daughter Nickie

16 [deleted]  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 10:59:34am
17 DistantThunder  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 11:00:24am

re: #16 ploome hineni

[Link: www.jewishworldreview.com...]

Why doesn’t anybody dare say it? Israel Didn’t Leave, It Lost

By Jonathan Mark

Bring on BEBE

18 nyc redneck  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 11:01:27am

ok, let's go w/ the bigger number of dead terrorists.
i like the bigger number.

19 experiencedtraveller  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 11:03:06am

re: #16 ploome hineni

It does look like another indecisive conclusion... Body counts be damned.

20 Dianna  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 11:03:11am

re: #6 DistantThunder

Wow - the IDF is so selective that it knows the actual names of it's kills?

Probably.

21 Jetpilot1101  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 11:03:12am

re: #16 ploome hineni

Good article and yes I agree, Israel lost. They'll be in Gaza again in the future jut like they'll be in Lebanon probably within a year.

22 MarineGrunt  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 11:03:26am

Body count? sounds eerily familiar from days gone by.

23 Dianna  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 11:04:06am

re: #16 ploome hineni

Good article. Depressing, but no one ever fixed things by ignoring reality.

24 Nevergiveup  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 11:04:16am

re: #21 Jetpilot1101

Good article and yes I agree, Israel lost. They'll be in Gaza again in the future jut like they'll be in Lebanon probably within a year.

It's gonna be a whole other story with Obama in office.

25 Jetpilot1101  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 11:04:27am

re: #23 Dianna

re: #16 ploome hineni

Good article. Depressing, but no one ever fixed things by ignoring reality.

Obama is going to make a run at it.

26 [deleted]  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 11:04:28am
27 Opinionated  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 11:05:46am

re: #6 DistantThunder

Wow - the IDF is so selective that it knows the actual names of it's kills?

So do I.

Scumbag 1
Scumbag 2
Scumbag 3........................

28 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 11:05:48am

re: #16 ploome hineni

[Link: www.jewishworldreview.com...]

Why doesn’t anybody dare say it? Israel Didn’t Leave, It Lost

By Jonathan Mark

I agree. Right, wrong or indifferent, no other country would put up with having rockets fired into it's territory, terrorist bombing civilians and militants trying to cause death and destruction at every opportunity.

I'm not sure of the internal reasons for some of the steps that the Israel government takes, but if there is going to be any "state" solution, this must stop.

29 Racer X  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 11:05:50am

You're lobbing rockets at an enemy. The enemy comes over and beats you up a bit. Everyone tells your enemy to stop it and leave. They leave. You continue lobbing rockets.

You won.

30 Guanxi88  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 11:06:49am

re: #29 Racer X

You're lobbing rockets at an enemy. The enemy comes over and beats you up a bit. Everyone tells your enemy to stop it and leave. They leave. You continue lobbing rockets.

You won.

Nice summary of Mr. Marks' article, and an unfortunately accurate assessment of the recent Gaza festivities.

31 [deleted]  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 11:07:02am
32 Kreon  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 11:07:49am

I do not see a military solution here. These are zombies Israel deals with, and most middle east is possessed. What can IDF do, kill them ALL? Not gonna happen. Killing a 1K just makes the zombs more angry and hungry.
The only solution is counter-brainwashing of muslim population of the world - and that is not easy to do.

33 karmic_inquisitor  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 11:07:58am

Given that the IDF has the home phone number of just about everyone in Gaza, and used those numbers to warn civilians of pending attack, I think I will go with Israel's list.

34 [deleted]  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 11:08:05am
35 [deleted]  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 11:09:36am
36 Amer-I-Can  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 11:09:57am

re: #29 Racer X

You're lobbing rockets at an enemy. The enemy comes over and beats you up a bit. Everyone tells your enemy to stop it and leave. They leave. You continue lobbing rockets.

You won.

As I say again and again: Counter Battery Fire! They can say that they won with a continued price. Those rockets would act like a neon sign for the right radar systems, allowing them to hit the ground with 155mm rounds before they could even clear the area... unless they are REALLY fast, that is...

37 davinvalkri  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 11:10:27am

re: #29 Racer X

You're lobbing rockets at an enemy. The enemy comes over and beats you up a bit. Everyone tells your enemy to stop it and leave. They leave. You continue lobbing rockets.

You won.

There's lots of destruction all over Gaza, but yeah, Hamas will probably be emboldened by the Israeli withdrawal, rebuild, keep launching rockets. And this whole damned affair will keep going ad nauseum until the world gets a sense of morals other that "open war is ba-a-a-ad!"

38 davinvalkri  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 11:11:23am

re: #36 Amer-I-Can

re: #29 Racer X


As I say again and again: Counter Battery Fire! They can say that they won with a continued price. Those rockets would act like a neon sign for the right radar systems, allowing them to hit the ground with 155mm rounds before they could even clear the area... unless they are REALLY fast, that is...

Of course, since Hamas stashes its rocket launchers in schoolyards and civilian areas, the world's opinion will just get even more pissy.

39 mean Gene  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 11:12:23am

The thing was the Italians were using anecdotal observations such as empty hospital beds and such.
The IDF had drones watching each missile shot into Gaza, had men held accountable for shots fired into houses or buildings.
I think the IDF will be proven to have been closer to accurate IF Hamas allows an accurate count to ever take place.

40 jwb7605  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 11:12:35am

re: #38 davinvalkri

Of course, since Hamas stashes its rocket launchers in schoolyards and civilian areas, the world's opinion will just get even more pissy.

That's how we know those are the defensive rockets, silly.
/Jimmuh C.

41 karmic_inquisitor  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 11:13:10am

BTW -

Obama has now -
•Ordered Gitmo closed;
•Ordered CIA holding locations closed;
•Ordered "be nice to Mr. Terrorist" interrogation techniques;
•Called Abbas first among all foreign dignitaries;
•Ordered criminal proceedings against all terrorists halted;

Are there any more actions pending as part of his Terrorism Stimulus Plan? I for one think that is enough and perhaps he ought to turn his attention to the economy.

42 Dianna  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 11:13:33am

re: #37 davinvalkri

There's lots of destruction all over Gaza, but yeah, Hamas will probably be emboldened by the Israeli withdrawal, rebuild, keep launching rockets. And this whole damned affair will keep going ad nauseum until the world gets a sense of morals other that "open war is ba-a-a-ad!"

Actually, I expect them to take the money and rebuild absolutely nothing.

43 davinvalkri  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 11:14:28am

re: #42 Dianna

re: #37 davinvalkri


Actually, I expect them to take the money and rebuild absolutely nothing.

Except maybe their rocket launchers and tunnels.

44 mean Gene  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 11:14:51am

re: #41 karmic_inquisitor

Out of the heart's abundance the mouth speaks, says the Bible.
Looks like 0bama has shown us where his heart is.
These are his true priorities.
If we are not too blind we will admit this.

45 Kenneth  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 11:15:04am

re: #41 karmic_inquisitor

In fact, Obama did not order Gitmo closed. He has directed that a panel of experts be convened to discuss ways in which Gitmo may be closed in a year from now.

46 lawhawk  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 11:15:13am

re: #6 DistantThunder

Wow - the IDF is so selective that it knows the actual names of it's kills?

That's what happens when you mug for the cameras with your uniforms on and Fatah and others provided Israel with all manner of intel about who was involved in Hamas terror ops. Smile for the camera Hamas! You'll be humus soon enough.

47 invictus1  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 11:15:29am

re: #42 Dianna

Actually, I expect them to take the money and rebuild absolutely nothing.

I disagree. I think Hamas will put that money to good use.

I've heard that they've even drawn up a plan for a bailout of rocket manufacturers.

48 realwest  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 11:16:03am

OK, I'm now officially confused. And don't any of ya try to clear my brain with any of your so called "facts"
either!

49 Kenneth  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 11:16:05am

Al-Qaeda cell killed by Black Death 'was developing biological weapons'

The group of 40 terrorists were reported to have been killed by the plague at a training camp in Algeria earlier this month.

It was initially believed that they could have caught the disease through fleas on rats attracted by poor living conditions in their forest hideout.

But there are now claims the cell was developing the disease as a weapon to use against western cities. Experts said that the group was developing chemical and biological weapons.

Dr Igor Khrupinov, a biological weapons expert at Georgia University, told The Sun: "Al-Qaeda is known to experiment with biological weapons. And this group has direct communication with other cells around the world.

50 Killgore Trout  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 11:16:44am

hot air....
Scientists relieved at end of Bush era

When he vowed in his inaugural address to "restore science to its rightful place," President Barack Obama signaled an end to eight years of stark tension between science and government.

But many of the Bush administration's restrictions on science, like those governing stem cell research, will take time to be removed. And whether the Obama administration entirely reverses strict controls over the government's main scientific agencies remains to be seen.

Still, many scientists were exuberant. Staff members throughout the government's scientific agencies held inaugural parties on Tuesday, and many reported being teary-eyed with joy.

"If you look at the science world, you see a lot of happy faces," said Frank Press, a former president of the National Academy of Sciences and former science adviser to President Jimmy Carter. "It's not just getting money. It's his recognition of what science can do to bring this country back in an innovative way."

51 mean Gene  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 11:16:47am

re: #42 Dianna

Actually, I expect them to take the money and rebuild absolutely nothing.

They can buy lots of sewer pipe.....for them it is dual use.
When the UN or NGO's are watching it is used in sewage upkeep.
But when they are in private it makes a neato Qassam rocket body.

52 realwest  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 11:17:18am

re: #45 Kenneth
Yep, you're correct - but why didn't you say that in the thread prior to the prior thread?! Don't you know how much bandwidth we wasted on that?!
/heavy.

53 karmic_inquisitor  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 11:17:41am

re: #49 Kenneth

Al-Qaeda cell killed by Black Death 'was developing biological weapons'

Remember that AQ has no problems with testing weapons and tactics on their own. This may hove not been an accident entirely.

54 MJ  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 11:17:50am

re: #16 ploome hineni

[Link: www.jewishworldreview.com...]

Why doesn’t anybody dare say it? Israel Didn’t Leave, It Lost

By Jonathan Mark

Not true. Hamas lost.
Why are some so willing to hand Hamas a victory?
Hamas proved to be totally ineffectual. Their leaders remain in hiding.
Israel never said they intended to remove Hamas from power.
I write this as one who never supported leaving Gaza to begin with or who supported Olmert.
But to pretend that Hamas won is nonsense on stilts. It means accepting Hamas' own definition of winning.
Hamas propaganda seems very effective among some in the media.

55 Ben Hur  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 11:18:22am

UN rep: Evidence Israel committed war crimes

Special rapporteur on human rights says Israel should have allowed civilians in Gaza to escape war zone, claims mental anguish suffered by Palestinians so great entire population could be seen as casualties. Israel's claim for self-defense unfounded, he adds

There is evidence that Israel committed war crimes during its 22-day campaign in the Gaza Strip and there should be an independent inquiry, UN investigator Richard Falk said on Thursday.

56 realwest  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 11:18:37am

Ok y'all, outta here for lunch. Have a great day and I hope I get the chance to see you all down the road!

57 jwb7605  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 11:19:01am

re: #52 realwest

Yep, you're correct - but why didn't you say that in the thread prior to the prior thread?! Don't you know how much bandwidth we wasted on that?!
/heavy.

Since Charles installed JQuery_1.3.1, all your bandwith are belong to him.

58 Ben Hur  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 11:19:09am

re: #50 Killgore Trout


He did not RESTRICT stem cell research.

59 [deleted]  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 11:19:33am
60 karmic_inquisitor  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 11:19:37am

re: #58 Ben Hur

He did not RESTRICT stem cell research.

Thus the "hot air"

61 mean Gene  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 11:19:42am

re: #49 Kenneth

That's a pretty tenuous ''proof,'' that Dr Igor Khrupinov has, don't you think?

62 nyc redneck  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 11:20:56am

re: #41 karmic_inquisitor

BTW -

Obama has now -
•Ordered Gitmo closed;
•Ordered CIA holding locations closed;
•Ordered "be nice to Mr. Terrorist" interrogation techniques;
•Called Abbas first among all foreign dignitaries;
•Ordered criminal proceedings against all terrorists halted;

Are there any more actions pending as part of his Terrorism Stimulus Plan? I for one think that is enough and perhaps he ought to turn his attention to the economy.

the well being of our terrorist enemies is his priority.
he is not the kind of potus to put america first.
he has been campaigning openly on that platform from day one.
and now he brings it to us.
who is surprised?

63 mean Gene  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 11:21:05am

re: #55 Ben Hur

UN rep: Evidence Israel committed war crimes

What?
And rob them of the opportunity their daily, hourly children's TV programming is prepping them all for?
No Way!

64 Amer-I-Can  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 11:21:07am

re: #38 davinvalkri

Of course, since Hamas stashes its rocket launchers in schoolyards and civilian areas, the world's opinion will just get even more pissy.

The Israelis are already the devil as far as the world is concerned, so what do they care. Make the POLICY very public so that there is nothing to hide behind for Hamas or the Pali's. It won't take long before people start bailing out of that marriage made in hell.

How do you impeach a terrorist network?

65 davinvalkri  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 11:21:23am

re: #59 buzzsawmonkey

re: #50 Killgore Trout


And the scientists will get to compete for the spanky-new Lysenko Award.

Lysenkoism? NOOOOOO! They wouldn't compromise their scientific integrity...*examines global warming fights*...aaaarrrrgh...
*sob sob*

66 Kenneth  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 11:21:36am

re: #61 mean Gene

Yes, it's all speculation at this point. I hope the CIA has some people there checking things out by now.

67 Killgore Trout  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 11:21:44am

re: #58 Ben Hur

He restricted the funding. minor nuance......

Next week, for instance, Obama is expected to announce an end to President George W. Bush's restrictions on human embryonic stem cell research. But until new regulations are written and formalized, laboratories that have received grants to investigate human embryonic stem cells will still have to confine their research to lines created before Bush's order in 2001.

Change!

68 lawhawk  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 11:22:21am

re: #55 Ben Hur

And yet no one is noting any of Hamas war crimes, which include the following:

1) firing on civilian populations purposefully with intent to murder and maim (one count per rocket or mortar)
2) firing from behind civilians without regard to civilian casualties (one count per rocket or mortar)
3) incitement to genocide and ethnic cleansing (Hamas charter, repeated ad infinitum by Hamas leaders and spokesthugs)
4) using human shields
5) using schools, hospitals, and other civilian areas as weapons caches, bunkers, and terror facilitating facilities

Israel hits civilians accidentally, and that's a war crime. Hamas fires with the express intention to cause civilian casualties, and that's ignored.

Thanks UN. You've made it abundantly clear that you side with terrorists over sovereign member states. [deleted]

69 x-wing  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 11:22:23am

Rush is ripping Obama about his 2 executive orders. That One&#8482 held a presser and kept deferring to Greg Craig as to what they actually mean.

This fucking guy doesn't even know what is in His own orders.

We are so screwed.

70 Opinionated  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 11:22:35am

Hamas knows how many they lost and how much damage was done to them. Only they and their allies know whether the pain inflicted on them was a deterrent.

Israel should be happy with the lower number report. It should- in a normal world -diminish the outrage. It proves Israel's precision.

But this Israeli Government knows that again they failed miserably to accomplish any long term benefit to Israel and are touting the higher number for an internal electioneering purpose.

God, I hope the Israeli people are smart enough to flush Kadima and Labor down the drain.

71 winston06  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 11:23:03am

Maybe they were trying to downgrade the good job the IDF has done in Gaza?

72 Eowyn2  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 11:23:14am

re: #10 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

re: #6 DistantThunder


Well, to be honest, it is kind of easy when 65% of them were named Mohammed.

the beginning of the movie was rather pathetically funny that way

73 Dianna  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 11:23:44am

re: #49 Kenneth

Consider it as evolution in action, if it's true.

Mucking around with bio weapons outside of a highly protected environment is just idiotic.

74 MandyManners  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 11:23:49am

re: #53 karmic_inquisitor

re: #49 Kenneth


Al-Qaeda cell killed by Black Death 'was developing biological weapons'


Remember that AQ has no problems with testing weapons and tactics on their own. This may hove not been an accident entirely.

If so, does that mean it's near time to turn it loose on us?

75 Ben Hur  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 11:23:53am

re: #68 lawhawk


Dude, it's Richard Falk.

76 davinvalkri  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 11:24:14am

re: #68 lawhawk

re: #55 Ben Hur

And yet no one is noting any of Hamas war crimes, which include the following:

1) firing on civilian populations purposefully with intent to murder and maim (one count per rocket or mortar)
2) firing from behind civilians without regard to civilian casualties (one count per rocket or mortar)
3) incitement to genocide and ethnic cleansing (Hamas charter, repeated ad infinitum by Hamas leaders and spokesthugs)
4) using human shields
5) using schools, hospitals, and other civilian areas as weapons caches, bunkers, and terror facilitating facilities

Israel hits civilians accidentally, and that's a war crime. Hamas fires with the express intention to cause civilian casualties, and that's ignored.

Thanks UN. You've made it abundantly clear that you side with terrorists over sovereign member states. [deleted]

It's a bit more than side, I think, if the U.N. knew Hamas was using its schools as rocket sites. More like covert complicity.

77 jcbunga  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 11:24:22am

utup-shay on the asualties-cay

78 mean Gene  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 11:24:32am

re: #69 x-wing

I missed it.
Were there a lot of ''ummmm's,' and ''errr's?"
A ''president'' who doesn't even know his own policies, new definition of ''empty suit.''

79 Kenneth  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 11:25:11am

re: #74 MandyManners

Maybe, or they screwed up.

80 [deleted]  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 11:25:28am
81 Vicious Michigan Union Thug  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 11:25:35am

From the fine folks who brought you the Inquisition:

Barcelona pulls public service marking International Holocaust Remembrance Day in protest of Israeli offensive in Strip. 'Marking the Jewish Holocaust while a Palestinian Holocaust is taking place is not right,' says official

BARCELONA – The Catalunya government has called off the ceremony marking the International Holocaust Remembrance Day, which was scheduled to take place on January 27, citing the Israeli offensive in Gaza as the reason.

The Gaza campaign has inflamed the already pro-Palestinian public opinion in the northeastern Spanish region, and the local media has run endless stories comparing the Israeli stance on the situation in the Strip to Nazi atrocities.

82 MandyManners  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 11:25:38am

re: #79 Kenneth

re: #74 MandyManners

Maybe, or they screwed up.

I'm hoping it's the latter.

83 A Man for all Seasons  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 11:25:40am

re: #55 Ben Hur

UN rep: Evidence Israel committed war crimes


unfrigging believable! I wish i hadn't read that..

84 Charles Johnson  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 11:25:57am

The President has a Blackberry.

85 Charles Johnson  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 11:26:23am

With "enhanced security."

Ahem.

86 [deleted]  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 11:26:30am
87 davinvalkri  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 11:26:52am

re: #80 buzzsawmonkey

re: #76 davinvalkri


How dare you attempt to deny little dewy-eyed Hamas schoolchildren the chance to participate in extracurricular after-school RocketScience Club!

Where the final exam involves making your own rocket and warhead and shooting it somewhere in the general direction of the Zionist entity!

88 Charles Johnson  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 11:26:53am

It's like wearing a sign that says "Hack me!"

89 thefallingman  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 11:26:58am

Was it that commie reporter who we accidentally shot in Baghdad? I remember that she claimed we were targeting her despite the fact that she was the only survivor and we provided life-saving aid to everyone in her convoy. Seem like if we'd wanted her dead we'd just have shot her rather than desperately try to save her life.

90 Silhouette  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 11:27:03am

re: #53 karmic_inquisitor

Remember that AQ has no problems with testing weapons and tactics on their own. This may hove not been an accident entirely.

Maybe. But I think they just had poor lab safety procedures.

91 mean Gene  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 11:27:07am

re: #84 Charles

The President has a Blackberry.

Yeah, but it's a special, super-duper (doper?) secret-agent Blackberry.

92 Eowyn2  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 11:27:10am

re: #68 lawhawk

re: #55 Ben Hur

And yet no one is noting any of Hamas war crimes, which include the following:

3) incitement to genocide and ethnic cleansing (Hamas charter, repeated ad infinitum by Hamas leaders and spokesthugs)

I have submitted a plan to Hamas tv, right after the children's frontier show, they should have "Hamas Next Spokesthug" Its a reality show. He who dies, loses.

93 Kragar  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 11:27:12am

re: #84 Charles

The President has a Blackberry.

Isn't it sooooo cool? Much more important than pesky security issues.

And its berry of color

94 karmic_inquisitor  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 11:27:12am

re: #74 MandyManners

If so, does that mean it's near time to turn it loose on us?

Change!

After all - they didn't find the agent that was used to initiate the outbreak. This was first reported as spontaneous and natural, and that the terrorists died due to having no access to medical facilities.

Before AQ would release such a weapon, they would need to test it. People wary of terrorist threats should look at this incident with that perspective.

95 Vicious Michigan Union Thug  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 11:27:27am

re: #80 buzzsawmonkey

How dare you attempt to deny little dewy-eyed Hamas schoolchildren the chance to participate in extracurricular after-school Science Club!

Rocket Science!

96 Jetpilot1101  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 11:27:33am

re: #88 Charles

It's like wearing a sign that says "Hack me!"

Can't you triangulate on something like that? I can't imagine it would be that hard to figure out where he is based on his signal.

97 MandyManners  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 11:27:42am

re: #81 Alouette

From the fine folks who brought you the Inquisition:

Ferdinand and Isabella are spinning in their graves.

98 lawhawk  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 11:27:43am

re: #50 Killgore Trout

Funny, but this is often forgotten. Bush didn't limit ESCR. He actually established federal funding for ESCR for the first time. It just didn't go as far as proponents wanted. Clinton never funded ESCR.

So, for claims that Bush somehow limited funds is misguided at best, and pure propaganda at worst.

99 davinvalkri  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 11:27:51am

re: #85 Charles

With "enhanced security."

Ahem.

Hackers and their ilk love a challenge like that.
At least that's how they are in all the cyberpunky media.

100 [deleted]  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 11:28:14am
101 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 11:28:41am

re: #74 MandyManners

If so, does that mean it's near time to turn it loose on us?

Let's hope they haven't already used it.

102 Vicious Michigan Union Thug  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 11:28:41am

re: #97 MandyManners

Ferdinand and Isabella are spinning in their graves.

It's Jew Hate. They should be happy.

103 karmic_inquisitor  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 11:28:56am

re: #85 Charles

With "enhanced security."

Ahem.

They came out about 2 years ago. General Dynamics. I have an app on some. Pretty clunky and sucko battery life.

104 FurryOldGuyJeans  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 11:29:04am

re: #3 Guanxi88

So, to recap:

IDF stands by Claims of Higher Atrocities; HAMAS disputes genocidal number-crunching.

It ain't a case of atrocities or genocide, it is a case of effectiveness of the force applied. Higher casualties to the enemy means less live enemy. And the number of civilian casualties has been exaggerated since Hamas operatives and gunmen weren't wearing uniforms.

105 MandyManners  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 11:29:05am

re: #94 karmic_inquisitor

re: #74 MandyManners


Change!

After all - they didn't find the agent that was used to initiate the outbreak. This was first reported as spontaneous and natural, and that the terrorists died due to having no access to medical facilities.

Before AQ would release such a weapon, they would need to test it. People wary of terrorist threats should look at this incident with that perspective.

I hope our intelligence services are paying attention.

106 x-wing  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 11:29:07am

re: #78 mean Gene

re: #69 x-wing

I missed it.
Were there a lot of ''ummmm's,' and ''errr's?"
A ''president'' who doesn't even know his own policies, new definition of ''empty suit.''


Yeah, the usual uummm,errrr,achhhh. But Rush said he kept looking over at Greg for the answers to the questions.

107 nyc redneck  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 11:29:19am

re: #49 Kenneth

Al-Qaeda cell killed by Black Death 'was developing biological weapons'

omg, these inept buffoons self-infected.
what bumbling idiots.
this is the dark ages looming.
while we try to eradicate these medieval scourges,
al queada is playing around in tent labs,
w/ diseases that could wipe out millions of people.
at some point, they will perfect their techniques.
i'd like to know where they got their 'bugs'.
when will they have small pox.
holy shit.

108 Ben Hur  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 11:29:29am

re: #81 Alouette

There is a reason Don Quixote takes place in Spain.

(and ironically, or not, the Spanish are the most racist in Europe)

109 thefallingman  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 11:29:32am

Nevermind, I see the reporter is named Lorenzo. Probably still a commie.

110 Eowyn2  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 11:30:06am

re: #81 Alouette

From the fine folks who brought you the Inquisition:

Havent they heard Hamas declare they have "won"

/

111 Kragar  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 11:30:08am

re: #105 MandyManners

re: #94 karmic_inquisitor


re: #74 MandyManners


Change!

After all - they didn't find the agent that was used to initiate the outbreak. This was first reported as spontaneous and natural, and that the terrorists died due to having no access to medical facilities.

Before AQ would release such a weapon, they would need to test it. People wary of terrorist threats should look at this incident with that perspective.


I hope our intelligence services are paying attention.

Nope. Too busy looking for Muslim Leaders to support.

112 A Man for all Seasons  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 11:30:27am

re: #85 Charles

With "enhanced security."

Ahem.


Our company forces us to use enhanced security on our Blackberrys.
If it is lost or stolen It won't work anyone else..( Just in case Obama leaves the launch codes on his BB)

113 x-wing  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 11:30:32am

re: #85 Charles

With "enhanced security."

Ahem.

I'll sleep better at night knowing that Sir.

/

114 Dianna  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 11:31:15am

re: #79 Kenneth

Maybe, or they screwed up.

If true (big if), I'm betting it's a screw-up.

115 Killgore Trout  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 11:31:21am

re: #98 lawhawk

I'm looking forward to the expanded funding on embryonic stem cells.

116 jcbunga  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 11:31:41am

re: #73 Dianna

re: #49 Kenneth

Consider it as evolution in action, if it's true.

Mucking around with bio weapons outside of a highly protected environment is just idiotic.


Especially when the ROP's medical expertise is based on applying leeches and bleeding goats.

117 FurryOldGuyJeans  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 11:32:05am

re: #50 Killgore Trout

hot air....
Scientists relieved at end of Bush era

Government scientists celebrating the end of having to work for grants. This is pure and simple about the pigs cheering the trough will get filled up again with no string attached.

118 soccerdad  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 11:33:02am

kind of strange that Israel is in a position of saying 'no, we killed waaay more than that'. Why would this paper lie? To what end? Are they trying to play down the damage done in this offensive?

And isnt this the same paper that the reporter was killed trying to run a roadblock? (oh...excuse me...for failing to come to a complete stop)

119 nyc redneck  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 11:33:04am

re: #69 x-wing

Rush is ripping Obama about his 2 executive orders. That One™ held a presser and kept deferring to Greg Craig as to what they actually mean.

This fucking guy doesn't even know what is in His own orders.

We are so screwed.

i heard this too. he really is not a smart guy.
( if he was, we would have seen his grades at columbia and harvard splashed everywhere.)
also imagine if pres. bush had to keep pumping his people for info abt. what he just signed. the msm would have skewered him.

120 MandyManners  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 11:33:14am

re: #102 Alouette

re: #97 MandyManners


It's Jew Hate. They should be happy.

True.

121 [deleted]  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 11:33:20am
122 Eowyn2  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 11:33:37am

re: #55 Ben Hur

UN rep: Evidence Israel committed war crimes

I personally like this small paragraph:
Falk, speaking by phone from his home in California, said compelling evidence that Israel's actions in Gaza violated international humanitarian law required an independent investigation into whether they amounted to war crimes.

123 Dianna  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 11:33:47am

re: #97 MandyManners

Ferdinand and Isabella are spinning in their graves.

Not likely. Torquemada was a close advisor to them.

124 DeafDog  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 11:34:08am

re: #41 karmic_inquisitor

BTW -

Obama has now -
•Ordered Gitmo closed;
•Ordered CIA holding locations closed;
•Ordered "be nice to Mr. Terrorist" interrogation techniques;
•Called Abbas first among all foreign dignitaries;
•Ordered criminal proceedings against all terrorists halted;

Are there any more actions pending as part of his Terrorism Stimulus Plan? I for one think that is enough and perhaps he ought to turn his attention to the economy.

Excellent point

Didn't he also order that the generals develop plans to withdraw in 16 months?

125 davinvalkri  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 11:34:31am

re: #123 Dianna

re: #97 MandyManners


Not likely. Torquemada was a close advisor to them.

I guess even after death you can't torquemada anything.

126 Creeping Eruption  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 11:35:41am

re: #41 karmic_inquisitor


•Called Abbas first among all foreign dignitaries;
•

Small quibble

127 Eowyn2  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 11:36:17am

re: #107 nyc redneck

re: #49 Kenneth


Al-Qaeda cell killed by Black Death 'was developing biological weapons'


omg, these inept buffoons self-infected.
what bumbling idiots.
this is the dark ages looming.
while we try to eradicate these medieval scourges,
al queada is playing around in tent labs,
w/ diseases that could wipe out millions of people.
at some point, they will perfect their techniques.
i'd like to know where they got their 'bugs'.
when will they have small pox.
holy shit.

Alas, they do not have WMD because we all know that the only REAL WMD is a nuke.
At least that's what I've been told by certain folks on Slate. Never, in the history of the world has disease wiped out a population.
/

128 DeafDog  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 11:37:19am

re: #69 x-wing

Rush is ripping Obama about his 2 executive orders. That One&#8482 held a presser and kept deferring to Greg Craig as to what they actually mean.

This fucking guy doesn't even know what is in His own orders.

We are so screwed.

Back off, jack.

He's the smartest POTUS ever. Olberman said so.

129 mean Gene  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 11:38:00am

re: #127 Eowyn2

Alas, they do not have WMD because we all know that the only REAL WMD is a nuke.
At least that's what I've been told by certain folks on Slate. Never, in the history of the world has disease wiped out a population.
/

Voice of PeeWee Herman: "I Love that story! Ha ha!"

130 suitepotato  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 11:39:34am

re: #13 DistantThunder

And they wanted to be martyrs for allah - it's a Win- Win

I agree. Israel should put signs at the border reading "This Way to Martyrdom, Real Martyrs Only" and put automatic miniguns about a hundred yards past the signs.

131 albusteve  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 11:40:47am

re: #76 davinvalkri

It's a bit more than side, I think, if the U.N. knew Hamas was using its schools as rocket sites. More like covert complicity.

certainly the UN is complicit...why would any observant person deny it...the Un can blab all it wants...they are murderers....surprised?

132 Kenneth  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 11:41:31am

re: #124 DeafDog

That's what he said in his campaign. He has not yet ordered such a thing now he is president.

133 mean Gene  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 11:41:40am

re: #130 suitepotato

Just like in the director's cut of Aliens.

134 vagabond trader  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 11:42:18am

re: #119 nyc redneck

What? Why according to legend he and Hilary are the two most brilliant people walking the planet.

sarc/

135 Creeping Eruption  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 11:42:56am

re: #133 mean Gene

Just like in the director's cut of Aliens.

I cannot believe they pulled that scene out of the released version of that movie.

136 Kenneth  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 11:44:00am

re: #107 nyc redneck

The plague exists in may parts of the world. A few cases show up in the US every year. Modern medical care can deal with it fine. Unfortunately, the disease can rip through a poor backward area like rural Algeria or the NWFT of Pakistan.

137 jcm  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 11:44:03am

re: #50 Killgore Trout

hot air....
Scientists relieved at end of Bush era

But many of the Bush administration's restrictions on science, like those governing stem cell research, will take time to be removed.

Bush banned Federal funding of Fetal Stem cell research. There's more to stem cell research than fetal stem cells, and there is more to funding than federal. There where no restrictions on stem cell research, just federal funding for one aspect of stem cell research was removed.

138 debutaunt  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 11:44:10am

re: #88 Charles

It's like wearing a sign that says "Hack me!"

Does he have one of those new-fangled two-face pages?

139 nyc redneck  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 11:45:00am

re: #127 Eowyn2

Alas, they do not have WMD because we all know that the only REAL WMD is a nuke.
At least that's what I've been told by certain folks on Slate. Never, in the history of the world has disease wiped out a population.
/

a virus like small pox could kill so many people.
most under 35 yrs. old have NOT been vaccinated.
a plague from a bioweapon could be devastating.
it could cause untold human suffering.
overwhelm the health care system and inspire such fear in the public.
it could be worse than a nuke.

140 soccerdad  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 11:46:12am

re: #53 karmic_inquisitor

re: #49 Kenneth


Al-Qaeda cell killed by Black Death 'was developing biological weapons'


Remember that AQ has no problems with testing weapons and tactics on their own. This may hove not been an accident entirely.

Wow -- they already have suicide bombers...what would stop them from infecting a bunch of terrorists and setting them up with plane tickets to Miami and NYC and Philly and LA, etc.? Go forth and sneeze on as many people as possible! Jeez -- that's a nightmare scenario.

141 Silhouette  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 11:46:28am

re: #122 Eowyn2

re: #55 Ben Hur


UN rep: Evidence Israel committed war crimes


I personally like this small paragraph:
Falk, speaking by phone from his home in California, said compelling evidence that Israel's actions in Gaza violated international humanitarian law required an independent investigation into whether they amounted to war crimes.

I wonder if there is any "competlling evidence" that Hamas' actions violated international humanitarian law?

/

142 logboy  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 11:48:35am

re: #88 Charles

It's like wearing a sign that says "Hack me!"

"Pictures of Clay Atkin found on President's Blackberry."

143 TheOtherCanadian  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 11:49:11am

re: #107 nyc redneck

Yeah, but Obama says he wants to kill Bin Laden. Besides, he wants to release everyone from Guantanamo. That should create some good will with these people, no? Shouldn't that be enough? I propose we have an official Mujahadeen Sensitivity Day...make it on Sept 12th annually. Our servicemen & U.S Army issue sensitivity Hijab clad servicewomen can give footbaths to "militants" so that we may foster understanding. This has to work. It just HAS to end their "disenfranchisement".
/HORK

144 Miss Molly  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 11:50:41am

Obama can't answer questions becacuse he doesn't know the answers. He can only read speeches that have been written for him by others. He is not that bright and of course he would have plastered his college grades all over the place if they had been truely outstanding. We should keep asking that he publish that so he has to keep saying no.

Why would I believe anything Hamas says because they lie about everything. Israel tells the truth most of the time even when it is to their disadvantage.

145 gymmom  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 11:51:39am

re: #137 jcm

Pharmaceuticals would have funded Embryonic stem cell research if the promise of profits (ie they treated any condition). Adult stem cell research has already shown results.
stem cell research

146 [deleted]  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 11:52:48am
147 Render  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 11:54:56am

Israel did not lose.

IT'S
STILL
THERE,
R

148 Miss Molly  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 11:57:15am

I would think that using a biological weapon would be the best bet for terrorists . This isn't the first "accident" they have had trying to perfect a biological weapon. If they get lucky and finally create something they will use it.

149 darkster2400  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 12:03:50pm

wow - what other military would do this?

and if the Israelis were on such a rampage of disproportionate force in Gaza, how come there's anyone left alive?

I'm just sayin'

150 darkster2400  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 12:04:45pm

re: #10 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

the other 35% being Ahmed

151 jcm  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 12:13:19pm

re: #145 gymmom

Pharmaceuticals would have funded Embryonic stem cell research if the promise of profits (ie they treated any condition). Adult stem cell research has already shown results.
stem cell research

Precisely.

152 Gella  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 12:28:30pm

re: #148 Miss Molly
don't give them any ideas, its kills more then regular weapons, but on the other hand it can kill them too

153 Miss Molly  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 12:38:49pm

Gella -- unfortunately they have had the idea of using a biological weapon for some time. They just haven't found one that would work yet.

154 Eowyn2  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 1:44:32pm

re: #139 nyc redneck

re: #127 Eowyn2


a virus like small pox could kill so many people.
most under 35 yrs. old have NOT been vaccinated.
a plague from a bioweapon could be devastating.
it could cause untold human suffering.
overwhelm the health care system and inspire such fear in the public.
it could be worse than a nuke.

You mean it was disease and famine which killed millions of people prior to the advent of nukes? Who'da thunk it.

/

155 FabioC.  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 1:55:39pm

re: #2 pegcity

what can ya say Europe hates Jews

An European newspaper reporta that Palestinian sources have infalted their casualties, then Israeli sources deny that report. And your conclusion is that. where have I seen this logic before? Probably in Zombie's photo reportages of moonbat marches, that is.

re: #118 soccerdad

And isnt this the same paper that the reporter was killed trying to run a roadblock? (oh...excuse me...for failing to come to a complete stop)

I think you're referring to Giuliana Sgrena. No, she worked (and probably still does) for the newspaper Il Manifesto, which is a self-described communist rag. And no, she was not killed; an Italian intelligence agent died that night. They weren't trying to run a roadblock; the incident has been discussed ad nauseam here,

156 [deleted]  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 2:34:22pm
157 uptight  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 2:39:22pm

I don't know why the left are f**king around with this.

Just get the bloody Lancet in. I'm sure they'll come back with a scientific survey proving that 1,000,000,000 Palestinians have been killed. Most of them cute baby Palestinians.

158 AMER1CAN  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 4:36:58am

I heard that also possibly some bunnies and unicorns and possibly even as many as 20 smurfs have been killed and many more story book characters displaced.

159 wolfgang  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 9:18:16am

The Israeli-Palestinian dispute will only be solved by the same manner in which the Third, Fourth, and Fifth Marine Divisions solved the Japanese infestation of Iwo Jima. Peace is sixty four years too late.
Israel was created by vote of the fledgling United Nations at the end of the Second World War.
Most of the Arab States supported Adolph Hitler during the war. Those arab governments that openly aided and abetted der Fuehrer during the war found themselves replaced, staring into the business ends of English and American Army rifles. The Grand Mufti of Jerusalem openly hoped to reenter Jerusalem again and assist those German Soldiers wearing the lightning bolts on their collars with their devoirs after arriving in the back of Irwin Rommel's baggage car but found his travel plans rudely cancelled by the British Eighth Army.
Immediately after Israel's formation, the surrounding Arab States declared war. The hatred of Israel runs too deep to be solved by mere treaty or negotiation, only after a massive nearly total blood bath, after each side counts and recognizes its losses, will peace be possible.

160 njslim  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 9:25:15am

Wait - let me get this right. The euroweenies are accusing the Israelis
of NOT KILLING as many Palestinians as claimed? So many should they
have killed?

It does look like another indecisive conclusion... Body counts be damned.

Yes but Israel is ahead on points....


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