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In the shiny happy land of Hopenchange, we have no need for these antiquated measures of “security:” Bush’s ‘War’ On Terror Comes to a Sudden End.

Key components of the secret structure developed under Bush are being swept away: The military’s Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, facility, where the rights of habeas corpus and due process had been denied detainees, will close, and the CIA is now prohibited from maintaining its own overseas prisons. And in a broad swipe at the Bush administration’s lawyers, Obama nullified every legal order and opinion on interrogations issued by any lawyer in the executive branch after Sept. 11, 2001.

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Lest I been banned....
I need a shot in my coffee

2 VegasRick  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 9:14:22am

Very sad but accurate title to this thread.

3 Chicken Kiev  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 9:14:24am

Those who forget history....

4 unreconstructed rebel  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 9:14:27am

Back to bombing aspirin factories, I suppose.

IIRC, there was a blow-job mixed up in all that.

5 Vicious Michigan Union Thug  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 9:14:38am
the rights of habeas corpus and due process had been denied detainees

They are enemy combatants caught out of uniform. They don't have these rights.

6 Nevergiveup  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 9:14:42am

Because the MSM did such a cracker jack job, most people have no idea what they voted for. And McCain sure didn't bother to point it out.

7 quickslow87  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 9:15:02am

Change!

/sarc

8 LGoPs  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 9:15:07am

SURGEON GENERAL'S WARNING: Voting for Democrats is hazardous to your country's health.

9 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 9:15:09am

If you listen carefully you can hear millions of Islamists cheering.

10 opnion  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 9:15:18am

Obama is pretty much an idiot educated way beyond his intelligence.

11 lawhawk  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 9:15:25am

re: #5 Alouette

They are enemy combatants caught out of uniform. They don't have these rights.

Not yet... /President Obama

12 ThinkRight  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 9:15:28am

Soros is getting his moneys worth

13 trulyyours  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 9:15:29am

Break out the dreaded comfy pillows!

14 Kenneth  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 9:15:53am
where the rights of habeas corpus and due process had been denied detainees

Obama's presidential directive specifically declared the prisoners will not have the rights of habeas corpus. The whole policy is a screwed up dog's breakfast of knee-jerk liberal guilt, leftist human rights and cynical Washington political ass-covering.

15 godfrey  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 9:15:53am

Incoming.

16 BigMoo  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 9:16:14am

But we're missing the 'big picture'....the world LIKES us again ! Who needs Gitmo when everybody LIKES us again.
Don't they ?

17 lawhawk  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 9:16:22am

re: #9 Killgore Trout

If you listen carefully you can hear millions of Islamists cheering.

Nope, they're not cheering. They're protesting that Obama hasn't gone far enough. You can never please the Islamists unless and until you submit to their Islamist ways.

18 unreconstructed rebel  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 9:16:29am

But, he is such a great orator.

/////////////////////

19 solomonpanting  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 9:16:53am

My birthday has taken on a sadder meaning.

20 Wishing  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 9:16:56am

re: #10 opnion

Obama is pretty much an idiot educated way beyond his intelligence.

Educated? In what? About what? When?

21 godfrey  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 9:17:05am

How many people are going to die because of this guy's sanctimonious stupidity?

22 Fat Jolly Penguin  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 9:17:12am
Obama nullified every legal order and opinion on interrogations issued by any lawyer in the executive branch after Sept. 11, 2001.

WTH? Why?!

23 VegasRick  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 9:17:27am

Our wonderful and brave service members just got a slap in the face. For that I must say fuck you BO.

24 ThinkRight  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 9:17:42am
A three-judge panel in Minnesota ruled against Al Franken twice in his attempts to limit the scope of the election contest to just a recount of the recount. The Norm Coleman camp rejoiced as the court agreed to review all of their points on the contest, including the double-counting of over 130 Franken votes and the lack of consistency in absentee-ballot reviews:


Your text to link...

25 taylork  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 9:17:45am

I'm sure the next order will be to reinstate the wall between the FBI and CIA, because anything that Bush did must be bad and everything Clinton did was good.

26 [deleted]  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 9:17:53am
27 Big Steve  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 9:18:07am

re: #22 Fat Jolly Penguin

WTH? Why?!


because they want to bring Bush/Cheney up on charges.

28 azul93gt  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 9:18:32am

B. Hussein really has his priorities straight. The American citizenry was clamouring for greater terrorists rights weren't they.

29 Wishing  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 9:18:34am

re: #22 Fat Jolly Penguin

WTH? Why?!

*legal order* implies the executive branch can't just nullify them...can he?

30 [deleted]  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 9:18:48am
31 Honorary Yooper  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 9:18:50am

We're going back to the future.

32 Nevergiveup  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 9:19:34am

re: #25 taylork

I'm sure the next order will be to reinstate the wall between the FBI and CIA, because anything that Bush did must be bad and everything Clinton did was good.

Well when you nominate a director of intelligence who wants share intel with the Iranians does it really matter?

33 Wishing  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 9:19:41am

So...do we have a shadow government hiding somewhere?
Lord knows, we need one.
Gubmint in exile...

34 unreconstructed rebel  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 9:19:49am

re: #31 Honorary Yooper

We're going back to the future.

The future is really the past.

/what the fuck is this? Groundhog Day?

35 opinionated  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 9:19:58am

There is a place where the inhabitants are even more happy with Obama then many of the citizens of the land of Hopenchange.

In Hopenchangenistan.

Allah Akbar

36 Honorary Yooper  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 9:20:03am

re: #17 lawhawk

Nope, they're not cheering. They're protesting that Obama hasn't gone far enough. You can never please the Islamists unless and until you submit to their Islamist ways.

Which is why they'll make another attempt. BHO is not GWB by any stretch of the imagination.

37 jorline  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 9:20:04am

I hope that Al Qaeda has had a change of mind about attacking us again.

I feel like a duck in a barrel right now!

38 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 9:20:15am

re: #20 Wishing

Educated? In what? About what? When?

"now is not the time for questions."
/

39 Dianna  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 9:20:20am

But Obama did allow a strike in Pakistan, I read.

Where did I put the link?

40 Daisy  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 9:20:30am

He's practicing evil.

41 LGoPs  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 9:20:39am

Consewrvative's # 1 priority is the welfare and safety of the nation and its citizens.

Liberal's # 1 priority is to satisfy their sanctimonious, smug, guilt ridden piety's. The cost be damned.

42 Lazarus  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 9:20:55am

But you can bet airport security will be a bigger cluster than ever.

43 redstateredneck  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 9:20:58am

re: #39 Dianna

But Obama did allow a strike in Pakistan, I read.

Where did I put the link?


Drone that killed 7 I just heard on Rush.

44 right_wing2  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 9:20:59am

Special treatment for terrorists. Why am I not surprised?

45 ThinkRight  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 9:21:02am

re: #37 jorline

I hope that Al Qaeda has had a change of mind about attacking us again.

I feel like a duck in a barrel right now!


They love us now
They hated Bush

46 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 9:21:11am

re: #34 unreconstructed rebel

The future is really the past.

/what the fuck is this? Groundhog Day?

No, that was a great, funny, heartfelt movie. This is a friggin nightmare.

47 Creeping Eruption  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 9:21:20am

re: #43 redstateredneck

Drone that killed 7 I just heard on Rush.

Sounds like a good start to me.

48 Nevergiveup  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 9:21:33am

re: #42 Lazarus

But you can bet airport security will be a bigger cluster than ever.

Well especially for the geese?

49 yma o hyd  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 9:21:33am

From that article:
'During his campaign and again in his inaugural address Tuesday, Obama used a different lexicon to describe operations to defeat terrorists. "As for our common defense, we reject as false the choice between our safety and our ideals," he said. ". . . And for those who seek to advance their aims by inducing terror and slaughtering innocents, we say to you now that our spirit is stronger and cannot be broken; you cannot outlast us, and we will defeat you.'

Omigawd - PB0 thinks his rethoric will be sufficient. and so do his moonbat admirers.

In times of war, some of the ideals have to be suspended - why do they not understand that?

50 BigMoo  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 9:21:39am

re: #35 opinionated

LMAO-BTW, it's Allah u Akbar ya frickin infidel.
lol

51 JacksonTn  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 9:21:42am

What part of this did people not think was going to happen ...he told us everything he was going to do during the campaign ...it was there mixed in with all the other crap ...I have pictures of the flyers that they had at the beginning of his run about war crime trials ...I will try to find them but probably someone here probably has them also (Mandy?) ...no surprises here ...NONE ...

52 godfrey  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 9:21:44am

And look, when we get hit next, Obama will say, "it couldn't have been my fault! Look, I've been so nice!" He'll blame it on Bush. Piece of cake.

53 doppelganglander  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 9:21:45am

There are hundreds, perhaps thousands of Americans out there right now who don't know they will die in the next terrorist attack on U.S. soil, courtesy of Barack Hussein Obama.

54 Wishing  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 9:21:54am

re: #45 ThinkRight

They love us now
They hated hate Bush

IT AINT OVER YET.

55 unreconstructed rebel  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 9:21:54am

re: #46 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

No, that was a great, funny, heartfelt movie. This is a friggin nightmare.

I stand corrected.

56 solomonpanting  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 9:22:10am
It was a swift and sudden end to an era that was slowly drawing to a close anyway, as public sentiment grew against perceived abuses of government power. The feisty debate over the tactics employed against al-Qaeda began more than six years ago as whispers among confidants with access to the nation's most tightly held secrets. At the time, there was consensus in Congress and among the public that the United States would be attacked again and that government should do what was necessary to thwart the threat.

"Perceived" being the operative word here. How insane is this when measured against the notion that nearly everyone thought we'd be attacked again?

57 Honorary Yooper  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 9:22:16am

re: #34 unreconstructed rebel

The future is really the past.

/what the fuck is this? Groundhog Day?

"This is one time where television really fails to capture the true excitement of a large squirrel predicting the weather."

58 ThinkRight  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 9:22:27am

re: #44 right_wing2

Special treatment for terrorists. Why am I not surprised?


Nepotism ?

59 Dr. Shalit  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 9:22:32am

Perhaps the 7 dead Pakistanis taken down by a missile from a drone yesterday are our new policy - CHICAGO RULES ANYONE? Dead Terrorists have NO Constitutional Rights to worry about.

-S-

60 tfc3rid  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 9:22:46am

Come on, don't you realize we have to release everyone because they were illegall detained as a result of the Bush Administrations curtailing of rights...

Wait, you mean, no one was arrested here? But they were illegally wiretapping US homes? Wait, they weren't? Oh crap...

We are SOOOOOOOOOOO dead...

61 Sharmuta  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 9:22:47am

It is perhaps worse than any of us could guess- the clinton years wreaked havoc on our intelligence capability and now we return to it. Another massive Intelligence Failure could come back to haunt us in the years to come.

The damage done to our intelligence community from the clinton administration was devastating. For 8 years, President Bush worked to rectify it, and within 2 days, it has all been undone.

There will be a terrible price to pay for this, and the blood of the dead will be upon 0bama.

62 Ringo the Gringo  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 9:22:53am

World peace at long last!

Now please excuse me while I go collect unicorn droppings to put in my gas tank.

63 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 9:23:30am

re: #32 Nevergiveup

Well when you nominate a director of intelligence who wants share intel with the Iranians does it really matter?

He's going to give them intel on targets in Israel, hoping they will settle for the "Little Satan". Fat chance they won't go after the "Big Satan" as well.
/

64 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 9:23:33am

Islamists and terror groups issue demands to Obama....
End Injustice: Muslim Figures Tell Obama

A galaxy of Muslim scholars thinkers, political activists and academics have penned an open letter to US President Barack Obama urging him to begin his reign by remedying injustices inflicted on Arabs and Muslims for peace to prevail and America to restore its image.
....
It listed the injustices that need to be alleviated in order to end hostilities and promote peace in the world.

"No other nation in history has suffered injustice like the one inflicted upon the Palestinian people," the Muslim leaders wrote.

"This fact might have been ignored by the US in response either to some financial, political or media pressure or to ideological illusions, legends or electoral ambitions."

The signatories include Sheikh Yusuf al-Qaradawi, president of the International Union of Muslim Scholars (IUMS), Rashid Al-Ghanoushi, Secretary General of Al-Nahdha Movement in Tunisia, Qazi Hussein Ahmad, leader of Pakistan's Jamaat-e-Islami, and Ali Sadruddin Al-Bayanoni, head of Syria's Muslim Brotherhood.

The letter affirms that normal relations with Arabs and Muslims can not be reached "unless the injustice inflicted upon the Palestinian nation" is lifted and "unless the Iraqi and Afghan sovereignty is retained."

You can read the list of demands here

65 96RoadKing  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 9:23:50am

Welcome to the New Error of Obama!

66 right_wing2  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 9:23:52am

re: #58 ThinkRight

Nepotism ?

Hey, good call!

67 opnion  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 9:24:02am

My fear is that Americans will die because of the Socialist, Utopian fairy tales that Obama & his followeres have bought into.
Bush had his flaws sure & McCain really did, but both understood the threat.

68 unreconstructed rebel  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 9:24:05am

re: #61 Sharmuta

Those who refuse to understand history will be its victim.

69 [deleted]  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 9:24:06am
70 marge45b  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 9:24:08am

I bet within the next 100 days we will be attacked.

71 Nevergiveup  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 9:24:09am

Study: Conflict cost Middle East $12 trillion
Published: 01.23.09, 19:07 / Israel News
Twenty years of conflict has cost the Middle East $12 trillion, a study showed on Friday.

Unless the region's conflicts are resolved, the costs will continue to mount, said the study by India's Strategic Foresight Group, backed by governments or other agencies in Norway, Qatar, Switzerland and Turkey. (Reuters)

SO? I wonder how much these Einsteins spend on the study?

72 LGoPs  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 9:24:12am

Now that they're in charge, the liberals can do what they want - as is being demonstrated here.
My question is....if they fuck this up and Americans start getting killed over their dangerously naive ideas....do we get to clean house here at home before we go after the terrorists again......?

73 x-wing  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 9:24:13am

Will the House take up hearings after we get attacked again, you know,to ask why these executive orders were abolished?

74 firefirefire  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 9:24:14am

In the words of Sen. Blutarski : "NO Prisoners!"
Once again, the democrats end a war that was nearly won.
Vietnam redux.

75 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 9:24:20am

Opps. the full list of demands here

76 redstateredneck  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 9:24:21am

BBIAM
I've got to transmit a Girl Scout Cookie order.

77 wolfie  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 9:24:41am

re: #41 LGoPs

Consewrvative's # 1 priority is the welfare and safety of the nation and its citizens.

Liberal's # 1 priority is to satisfy their sanctimonious, smug, guilt ridden piety's. The cost be damned.

Bull's eye.

78 MandyManners  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 9:24:58am

I hope all who didn't vote for McCain because he wasn't conservative enough are fucking happy now.

79 gmsc  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 9:25:05am

re: #20 Wishing

Educated? In what? About what? When?

"There's nothing as stupid as an educated man, once you get him off the topic in which he was educated."
-Will Rogers

80 Ringo the Gringo  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 9:25:09am
Bush’s ‘War’ On Terror Comes to a Sudden End.

Good thing it was only Bush's war, otherwise I'd be worried.

81 tfc3rid  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 9:25:13am

The Commander in Chief that I follow would never forego the security of the American people to score political points...

Give him a chance? He had it. He's a commie. He hates America.

82 CyanSnowHawk  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 9:25:20am

re: #16 BigMoo

But we're missing the 'big picture'....the world LIKES us again ! Who needs Gitmo when everybody LIKES us again.
Don't they ?

Yes They Do!

83 seekeroftruth  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 9:25:22am

Obama nullified every legal order and opinion on interrogations issued by any lawyer in the executive branch after Sept. 11, 2001.
with these legal order and opinions, Bush kept us safe since 9/11. If and when we get hit again in this country, Obama owns the blame.

84 opnion  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 9:25:46am

re: #51 JacksonTn

What part of this did people not think was going to happen ...he told us everything he was going to do during the campaign ...it was there mixed in with all the other crap ...I have pictures of the flyers that they had at the beginning of his run about war crime trials ...I will try to find them but probably someone here probably has them also (Mandy?) ...no surprises here ...NONE ...

Your right, noone should be surprised.

85 CyanSnowHawk  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 9:25:54am

re: #82 CyanSnowHawk

Whoops. Forgot the /.

86 doppelganglander  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 9:26:03am

re: #19 solomonpanting

My birthday has taken on a sadder meaning.

I hope you have a happy day anyway.

87 marge45b  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 9:26:26am

re: #76 redstateredneck

GS cookies sales start tomorrow! I have both of my girls selling.

88 lawhawk  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 9:26:28am

Obama re: #43 redstateredneck

Drone that killed 7 I just heard on Rush.

Indeed.

Missiles fired from a suspected U.S. spy plane killed 10 people Friday in Pakistan just east of the Afghan border, security officials said, the first such strike since the inauguration of President Barack Obama.

At least five of the dead were identified as foreign militants, an intelligence officer said.

The missile strike on the lawless region where al-Qaida militants are known to hide out is the latest in a barrage of more than 30 since the middle of last year.

89 godfrey  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 9:26:33am
to restore its image

With this kind of "goal," you can ask for just about anything:

1. Revoke recognition of Israel "to restore America's image."
2. Put our military under jurisdiction of the Hague "to restore America's image."
etc.

A field day.

90 winston06  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 9:26:47am

Obamble will be a one term president with disastrous consequences like the ones Carter left behind. Change plz

91 opinionated  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 9:26:52am

re: #50 BigMoo

LMAO-BTW, it's Allah u Akbar ya frickin infidel.
lol

You've got to get to know your Muslims prayers.

Allah u Akbar is for when in the Mosque

Allah Akbar is for when they are slicing an Infidel's throat or killing in any other way. No time for a "u" when you're having fun.

92 [deleted]  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 9:26:54am
93 nyc redneck  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 9:26:58am

if there is another terrorist attack on new york city,
i'm going to be so fcking mad.
(that is if i live thru it.)

94 JacksonTn  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 9:27:10am

I only have a screen shot of the flyer on war crimes ...I will try to find it on the web ...

95 [deleted]  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 9:27:24am
96 x-wing  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 9:27:38am

re: #78 MandyManners

I hope all who didn't vote for McCain because he wasn't conservative enough are fucking happy now.

You can never say that enough Mandy. Thank you.

97 yma o hyd  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 9:27:51am

re: #52 godfrey

And look, when we get hit next, Obama will say, "it couldn't have been my fault! Look, I've been so nice!" He'll blame it on Bush. Piece of cake.

Thats why we need to keep these articles, for later reference.

A Lizard said last night that PB0 can blame the economy on Bush - any terrorist attack is his own fault.

Pres. Bush's record speaks for itself - seven years without an attack.
And according to moonbats - the World ated the USA sooo badly during his Presidency. So why were there no attacks?

Ahaha!

98 Sharmuta  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 9:27:56am

This is not change I can believe in!

This is national suicide!

99 jcm  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 9:27:58am

re: #87 marge45b

GS cookies sales start tomorrow! I have both of my girls selling.

Terrorists! Extortionists!

I can't say no..........

100 Honorary Yooper  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 9:27:59am

re: #93 nyc redneck

if there is another terrorist attack on new york city,
i'm going to be so fcking mad.
(that is if i live thru it.)

They may try another city this time around. Remember, Obama comes from a juicy target by itself.

101 Wishing  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 9:28:02am

I guess one good piece of news in the last few days is that MSM is starting to get a little p.o.'d with the Mystical One. His idea of transparency is apparently showcased in secretiveness and dodging.
I like it.
Let em rue the day they covered his sorry ass with their MSM balderdash.

102 azul93gt  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 9:28:04am

I'm only surprised by the rapidity.

103 BigMoo  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 9:28:21am

Operation Hopenchange, Week 1:
1. An unindicted tax cheat is confirmed ar SecTreas.
2. Our new SecState is deeply financially beholden to foreign powers.
3. Our new President is gutting the foundational elements for fighting Islamo-Fascism.

207 Weeks to go.

104 Kenneth  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 9:28:27am

re: #59 Dr. Shalit

Perhaps the 7 dead Pakistanis taken down by a missile from a drone yesterday are our new policy - CHICAGO RULES ANYONE? Dead Terrorists have NO Constitutional Rights to worry about.

-S-

The missile strike in Pakistan is not a new policy. It's the continuation of the existing policy started by Bush. Obama kept Bush's Defense Secretary Gates, and the Commander of Central Command Gen. Petraeus.

105 JacksonTn  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 9:28:33am

Here is a shot of the war crimes flyer ... this is from way back when he first started running ...all you ever needed to know about what he was going to do ...

Image: 20080608ObamaWarCrimesPDF.jpg

106 kansas  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 9:28:56am

Shit, and I thought I was safe here in Kansas. Now they want to move these guys to within 50 miles of where I live. Thanks a lot. How can one President fuck up so much in 3 days?

107 LGoPs  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 9:29:10am

re: #93 nyc redneck

if there is another terrorist attack on new york city,
i'm going to be so fcking mad.
(that is if i live thru it.)

Yeah, but think of it from the liberals perpective. At least we won't have made any terrorists uncomfortable through harsh interrogation......

Do I even need to bother with the sarc tag?

108 Harry Tuttle  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 9:29:24am

Oh can I bring my freaking water and pocketknives on the airplanes then now?

109 BigMoo  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 9:29:28am

re: #82 CyanSnowHawk

LOL- Release the Unicorns !

110 Nevergiveup  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 9:29:35am

re: #106 kansas

Shit, and I thought I was safe here in Kansas. Now they want to move these guys to within 50 miles of where I live. Thanks a lot. How can one President fuck up so much in 3 days?

Remember the first day was mostly just ceremonial.

111 kansas  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 9:29:36am

re: #78 MandyManners

I hope all who didn't vote for McCain because he wasn't conservative enough are fucking happy now.

I voted for McCain because he wasn't Obama.

112 gmsc  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 9:29:44am

re: #70 marge45b

I bet within the next 100 days we will be attacked.

Joe Biden put the spread at 6 months.

"Mark my words, It will not be six months before the world tests Barack Obama like they did John Kennedy. The world is looking."
[snip]
"And the kind of help he's gonna need is, he's gonna need you - not financially to help him - we're gonna need you to use your influence, your influence within the community, to stand with him. Because it's not gonna be apparent initially, it's not gonna be apparent that we're right."
-Joe Biden

113 right_wing2  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 9:30:06am

re: #64 Killgore Trout

Islamists and terror groups issue demands to Obama....
End Injustice: Muslim Figures Tell Obama

You can read the list of demands here

Demands we help "Palestine" end the 'Juice' threat.

114 kansas  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 9:30:13am

re: #110 Nevergiveup

Remember the first day was mostly just ceremonial.

I stand corrected. How can one President fuck up so much in 2 days?

115 right_wing2  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 9:30:27am

Barack Obama- Jimmy Carter with a tan

116 jetprop  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 9:30:29am

I feel safer already..
/sarc

117 Picayune  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 9:30:32am

Well O certainly now has both of his arms deep into this tar baby, and the bit between his teeth. He's now rolled the dice - and if we are attacked here at home after 1/22/09 - he's finished, and the DEMS/MSM are in deeeeep Do DO!

118 BigMoo  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 9:30:33am

re: #91 opinionated

LMAO-I stand corrected. And will start wearing kevlar turtlenecks...

119 solomonpanting  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 9:30:36am

re: #86 doppelganglander

I hope you have a happy day anyway.

Thanks, but my BD is September 10.

120 tfc3rid  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 9:30:41am

re: #93 nyc redneck

if there is another terrorist attack on new york city,
i'm going to be so fcking mad.
(that is if i live thru it.)

I will likely end up dead in that attack but as I said yesterday if one member of my family is hurt I will sue the Federal Government for Billions...

121 [deleted]  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 9:30:48am
122 ArmyWife  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 9:30:51am

Can we officially declare chance over?

123 Wishing  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 9:30:59am

re: #91 opinionated

You've got to get to know your Muslims prayers.

Allah u Akbar is for when in the Mosque

Allah Akbar is for when they are slicing an Infidel's throat or killing in any other way. No time for a "u" when you're having fun.

I think it is actually Allah hu Akbar . Hu, at least in Hebrew, which is very similar to arabic, means HE. Alla, he is greater, is the arabic translation.
In Hebrew it is kinda like, Curse the mouse. (alla =curse, akbar = mouse)

124 Taqiyyotomist  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 9:31:03am

re: #106 kansas

Do we still have silos in Kansas, other plains states? Or has that MX-Missile, WarGames-era stuff been cobwebbed? Ah, no matter, if it ain't it will be.

125 [deleted]  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 9:31:08am
126 kansas  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 9:31:15am

re: #115 right_wing2

Barack Obama- Jimmy Carter with a tan

I'm sorry but I remember Jimmy Carter. This guy makes Jimmy Carter look good.

127 vagabond trader  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 9:31:26am

re: #97 yma o hyd

Because they not only hated us, they also feared us.

128 right_wing2  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 9:31:30am

re: #111 kansas

I voted for McCain because he wasn't Obama.

I would have voted for Mickey Mouse over the Obamessiah

129 Guanxi88  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 9:31:40am

re: #70 marge45b

I bet within the next 100 days we will be attacked.

You stole that from Biden, who stole it from reality.

130 Sharmuta  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 9:31:43am

al qaeda wasn't intimidated by the indictments of the clinton administration. I highly doubt they'll be intimidated by a different administration using the same tactics.

What is the 0bama administration going to do when these terrorists don't show up after their indictments? Hold them in contempt of court?

Morons!

131 kansas  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 9:31:53am

re: #124 Taqiyyotomist

Do we still have silos in Kansas, other plains states? Or has that MX-Missile, WarGames-era stuff been cobwebbed? Ah, no matter, if it ain't it will be.

The missile sites are gone.

132 Quintus_Arius  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 9:31:59am

If the Terrorist Surveillance Program and Patriot Act get the axe we are in serious trouble. Obama may be more than just anti-Bush. But who?

133 right_wing2  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 9:32:01am

re: #126 kansas

I'm sorry but I remember Jimmy Carter. This guy makes Jimmy Carter look good.

Ouch.

134 Taqiyyotomist  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 9:32:01am

"Curse the Mouse!"

135 BigMoo  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 9:32:15am

re: #111 kansas

Exactly-and that's the ONLY reason I voted for McCain.

136 WestPack  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 9:32:19am

One thing you can count on ... the CYA mindset will erode and pollute
the whole process starting when the Tango is captured. The tendency will be to terminate them either outright or after info is extracted quickly.

137 opinionated  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 9:32:21am

re: #78 MandyManners

I hope all who didn't vote for McCain because he wasn't conservative enough are fucking happy now.

It goes back further.

Are there still any people who would not exchange Obama for "baby killer" Giuliani?

Have you learned your lesson yet? If not you will. And screw you.

138 nyc redneck  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 9:32:27am

re: #102 azul93gt

I'm only surprised by the rapidity.

i was thinking this too.
so quickly he goes for a show of support for those who are committed to our death and destruction.
not a gesture to show he puts america first.
he has never behaved like he understands the responsibilities of being potus.

139 [deleted]  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 9:32:28am
140 Sunlight  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 9:32:44am

Only part of U.S. anti-terror operations are happening over in places like Afghanistan, etc. The rest are here in the U.S. I can tell you that if I lived in the big cities, especially on the coasts, I'd be making plans to move to flyover country. After 9/11 and after the bus bombings started in Israel, I had lib friends of mine tell me they would rather have bus bombings and other "minor" attacks than to have the govt do any new patriot act type monitoring of anybody. So, with the help of the dem party marketing department (the press - why don't they have to report their assistance to the dems as campaign contributions?), these people have elected their own kind. And you and I are expendable.

141 unreconstructed rebel  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 9:32:49am

re: #114 kansas

I stand corrected. How can one President fuck up so much in 2 days?

That just increased his fuck-up quotient by 50%

142 gmsc  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 9:33:03am

re: #130 Sharmuta

al qaeda wasn't intimidated by the indictments of the clinton administration. I highly doubt they'll be intimidated by a different administration using the same tactics.

What is the 0bama administration going to do when these terrorists don't show up after their indictments? Hold them in contempt of court?

Morons!

No, silly. We won't take them to court. We negotiate with them without preconditions!

143 faraway  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 9:33:09am

A Prairie Fire is sweeping across this great nation

144 [deleted]  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 9:33:13am
145 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 9:33:13am

re: #64 Killgore Trout

Islamists and terror groups issue demands to Obama....
End Injustice: Muslim Figures Tell Obama

You can read the list of demands here

Yes, we need to end the injustices the "Palestinian" people have suffered.
They need to be let out of their camps and enclaves in Israel, and accepted home in Arab countries.

146 Nevergiveup  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 9:33:24am

re: #128 right_wing2

I would have voted for Mickey Mouse over the Obamessiah

I'm gonna go out on a limb and bet Mickey is a Republican.

147 ArmyWife  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 9:33:34am

re: #125 Iron Fist

George Soros?

148 Sunlight  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 9:33:48am

re: #90 winston06

Obamble will be a one term president with disastrous consequences like the ones Carter left behind. Change plz

Nope. I think it is going to be worse than Carter. I think we'll have dead people in the streets of the U.S.

149 Guanxi88  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 9:33:50am

re: #143 faraway

A Prairie Fire is sweeping across this great nation

A specter is haunting this nation, to paraphrase another famous manifesto.

150 ThinkRight  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 9:33:52am

re: #128 right_wing2

I would have voted for Mickey Mouse over the Obamessiah


But Mickey voted for Obama 3 times

151 faraway  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 9:33:53am

2010 is shaping up to be a very good year.

152 dhg4  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 9:33:53am

If it weren't so serious, it would be funny. The Clinton administration ignored the threat until it was too late. The Bush administration didn't take it seriously enough until it hit home. But then - even imperfectly - the Bush administration attempted to protect the country. So what do we get? A 9/11 Commission set up in such a way to deflect blame from the team that ignored the threat onto the team that actually took the threat seriously. (Are we going to have a 2008 financial meltdown commission? Well maybe we'll get one in about 3 years if the economy hasn't improved and the Dems and their MSM allies think that by assigning blame to Bush they'll be able to salvage a second term for President Obama.)

I think that Jules Crittenden had the best take on this article.

153 Pyrocles  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 9:33:55am

Many were, amazingly.

re: #28 azul93gt

B. Hussein really has his priorities straight. The American citizenry was clamouring for greater terrorists rights weren't they.

154 doppelganglander  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 9:33:55am

re: #112 gmsc

Joe Biden put the spread at 6 months.

"Mark my words, It will not be six months before the world tests Barack Obama like they did John Kennedy. The world is looking."
[snip]
"And the kind of help he's gonna need is, he's gonna need you - not financially to help him - we're gonna need you to use your influence, your influence within the community, to stand with him. Because it's not gonna be apparent initially, it's not gonna be apparent that we're right."
-Joe Biden

The first attack on the WTC happened 37 days after Clinton took office.

155 Creeping Eruption  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 9:33:56am

re: #146 Nevergiveup

I'm gonna go out on a limb and bet Mickey is a Republican.

But he lives in Anaheim. Isn't that fascist-lib country?

156 Westward Ho  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 9:34:07am

OT,

Charles,
This is the finest article I have read on cutting edge new evolutionary theory. It suggests a paradigm shift.

Why Darwin was wrong about the tree of Life

157 tfc3rid  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 9:34:24am

Flood the White House switchboard... We will not falter and we will not fail...

We must not surrender to this evil... And the evil is quickly incorporating the current White House...

158 unreconstructed rebel  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 9:34:28am

re: #115 right_wing2

Barack Obama- Jimmy Carter with a tan

Can he pronounce nuclear?

159 Honorary Yooper  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 9:34:38am

re: #129 Guanxi88

You stole that from Biden, who stole it from reality.

Biden will turn out to be a prophet of the obvious.

160 Wishing  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 9:34:41am

re: #143 faraway

A Prairie Fire is sweeping across this great nation

Care to detail this? I wanna join the flame throwers.

161 opinionated  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 9:35:05am

re: #123 Wishing

I know. But my comment stands on the way they use it when practising Jihad as any beheading video will show.

162 faraway  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 9:35:11am

re: #158 unreconstructed rebel

Can he pronounce nuclear?

Pockeyston

Talleybon

163 Guanxi88  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 9:35:11am

re: #157 tfc3rid

Flood the White House switchboard... We will not falter and we will not fail...

We must not surrender to this evil... And the evil is quickly incorporating the current White House...

SO, we call the switchboard. Why punish the operators and reception staff for what the Boss did?

164 BigMoo  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 9:35:13am

re: #146 Nevergiveup

No, Mickey was a victim of Capitalist Elitists...

165 Nevergiveup  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 9:35:16am

re: #155 Creeping Eruption

But he lives in Anaheim. Isn't that fascist-lib country?

That was his old home. As the rift raft moved in Mickey moved to Orlando. Don't ya know?

166 Tigger2005  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 9:35:20am

re: #78 MandyManners

I hope all who didn't vote for McCain because he wasn't conservative enough are fucking happy now.

Like Killian Bundy ...

167 JacksonTn  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 9:35:42am

re: #157 tfc3rid

Flood the White House switchboard... We will not falter and we will not fail...

We must not surrender to this evil... And the evil is quickly incorporating the current White House...

Press #1 for English, Press #2 for Spanish ...Press #3 for Arabic ...Press #4 for Farsi ...

168 opnion  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 9:35:48am

re: #111 kansas

I voted for McCain because he wasn't Obama.

Me too. With all of McCains negatives , it was an easy call & staying home was not an option.

169 doppelganglander  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 9:35:59am

re: #119 solomonpanting

Thanks, but my BD is September 10.

It seems I totally misunderstood your comment. Consider it just an excessively punctual birthday wish.

170 Creeping Eruption  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 9:36:06am

re: #165 Nevergiveup

That was his old home. As the rift raft moved in Mickey moved to Orlando. Don't ya know?

Didn't know that. I was lucky enough to have parents who never dragged me there.

171 Guanxi88  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 9:36:10am

re: #143 faraway

A Prairie Fire is sweeping across this great nation

re: #160 Wishing

Care to detail this? I wanna join the flame throwers.

Reference to the Weather Underground's Manifesto, by Ayers among others.

172 ArmyWife  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 9:36:10am

re: #78 MandyManners

and the ones who voted Ron Paul own this mess, too. Thank you, from the bottom of my husband's heart.

173 MandyManners  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 9:36:12am

re: #105 JacksonTn

Here is a shot of the war crimes flyer ... this is from way back when he first started running ...all you ever needed to know about what he was going to do ...

[Link: i80.photobucket.com...]

Use presidential leadership to surge our diplomacy....

Surge is a verb?

174 faraway  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 9:36:35am

re: #160 Wishing

Care to detail this? I wanna join the flame throwers.

Prairie Fire - Ayers' Communist Manifesto

175 ArmyWife  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 9:36:39am

re: #172 ArmyWife

The thank you is sarcasm, for those who needed it.

176 BigMoo  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 9:36:53am

re: #172 ArmyWife

Well said !

177 Racer X  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 9:36:54am

Fuck. Me.

This guy really does not have a clue.

178 realwest  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 9:36:55am

re: #160 Wishing
It's the title of the book written by Billy Ayers.

179 wolfie  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 9:36:58am

re: #92 buzzsawmonkey

That's the problem in a nutshell.

And BTW, anyone who thinks the media will turn against Obama in any significant way, regardless of what happens, is a colossal fool.

180 LGoPs  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 9:37:03am

re: #130 Sharmuta

al qaeda wasn't intimidated by the indictments of the clinton administration. I highly doubt they'll be intimidated by a different administration using the same tactics.

What is the 0bama administration going to do when these terrorists don't show up after their indictments? Hold them in contempt of court?

Morons!

The administration will send a very strongly worded letter of concern. That'll fix 'em........
Hell, it might even work....from the standpoint of convincing the terrorists that we really have taken leave of our senses.......

181 itellu3times  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 9:37:06am

What the heck, this is probably a dumb move, but sometimes you just have to make the dumb move, and take the consequences, before you can try something smarter. And, there is a teeny tiny chance that it might in some way work out, say, if we put all the savings from closing Gitmo into the Irish Sweepstakes.

182 J.S.  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 9:37:26am

re: #61 Sharmuta

Speaking of intelligence failures, etc., there's another interesting new book recently published -- titled: "Willful blindness: Memoir of the Jihad", by Andrew C. McCarthy (published 2008). It's written by the lawyer who prosecuted the blind Sheikh who bombed the WTC back in 1993. The lawyer details all the difficulties of attempting to defeat Jihadists through the use of courtrooms, etc. (another "must read", imo).

183 faraway  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 9:37:31am

re: #157 tfc3rid

Flood the White House switchboard... We will not falter and we will not fail...

We must not surrender to this evil... And the evil is quickly incorporating the current White House...

LGF: The 21st century switchboard

184 Racer X  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 9:37:44am

re: #151 faraway

2010 is shaping up to be a very good year.

For terrorists.

185 snowcrash  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 9:37:57am

No surprise for me. He said in his Inaugural speech that he would reject the false choice between safety and ideals. Time will prove him right or wrong but I don't see him giving up the armored tank/limo he has for personal security.

186 vagabond trader  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 9:37:58am

And The Obama's Lincolnesque pretenses. I mean Lincoln suspended Habeas Corpus during the Civil War. Habeas Corpus is exactly what the liberal complaint about Gitmo is.Cannot make this krap up.

187 solomonpanting  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 9:38:02am
With the stroke of his pen, he effectively declared an end to the "war on terror,"

"And here is the piece of paper which bears his name upon it....of the desire for our two peoples never to go to war with one another again."

188 [deleted]  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 9:38:03am
189 redstateredneck  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 9:38:20am

re: #87 marge45b

GS cookies sales start tomorrow! I have both of my girls selling.

Ours finished selling last week. I submitted the unit order. 1035 cases! I'll have to help sort them into orders in a couple of weeks.

190 [deleted]  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 9:38:33am
191 LaMano  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 9:38:39am

Innocent Americans will die.

192 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 9:38:54am

re: #144 Iron Fist

Or, to use the abbreviated for of it:

We are all fucked!

Hussein Obama intends to do all he can to help al Qaeda, and the Republicans don't have the balls to call him on it.

Not true. He doesn't like al Qaeda but he does not understand how they must be fought. He'll learn, but I worry about the casualties that will be incurred in his education. Sorry to post and run, but I have to go.

193 acwgusa  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 9:38:55am

I think I won't be boarding a plane for 4-8 years.

194 Racer X  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 9:39:01am

re: #166 Tigger2005

Like Killian Bundy ...

I think you mean Killgore Trout.

195 MandyManners  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 9:39:04am

re: #172 ArmyWife

and the ones who voted Ron Paul own this mess, too. Thank you, from the bottom of my husband's heart.

I see Troofers voting for CBBHO more readily than McCain.

196 winston06  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 9:39:15am

re: #148 Sunlight

i hope not.

197 realwest  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 9:39:24am

re: #140 Sunlight
I reckon that means you live in a big city - probably a coastal city.
They ain't gonna bomb us here in the southern mountains (piedmont) of North Carolina.

198 winston06  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 9:39:30am

re: #191 LaMano

u think Obamble cares?

199 Ojoe  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 9:39:37am

Peace through vigilance and strength sleep.

200 debutaunt  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 9:39:39am

re: #125 Iron Fist

Worse, they are ignoring one basic fact: We haven't been hit again. The Bush Administration succeeded in keeping us safe by using tactics like this. Obama wants to throw that all away. Snatch defeat from the jaws of victory. Who did he say he was working for again?

Thomas Sowell - They have replaced what works with what doesn't work.

201 winston06  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 9:40:10am

re: #199 Ojoe

Peace through sheep

202 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 9:40:24am

re: #158 unreconstructed rebel

Can he pronounce nuclear?

We'll find out when he gives the speech
"Yesterday, terrorists detonated a nuclear device in [name of American city]...."
/I hope this is only sarc, but

203 LaMano  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 9:40:30am

re: #198 winston06

Depends on how they are registered?

204 CyanSnowHawk  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 9:40:36am

re: #155 Creeping Eruption

But he lives in Anaheim. Isn't that fascist-lib country?

He's also got that place in Orlando. Don't know where he's registered, but given the way FL votes have gone recently, I'd say Orlando.

205 jcbunga  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 9:40:43am

Now that we've reclaimed the moral high ground, I feel swell.

206 shanec99  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 9:40:52am

re: #70 marge45b

I bet within the next 100 days we will be attacked.


I hope that you lose that bet. For all of our sakes.

207 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 9:40:53am

re: #187 solomonpanting

"And here is the piece of paper which bears his name upon it....of the desire for our two peoples never to go to war with one another again."

I know what I said before but for this one I have to take time to say: Good catch! The Nevile Chamberlain quote is very well used here.

208 jetprop  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 9:40:56am

re: #191 LaMano

Unfortunately. "Progressives" will play it off as 'just nuisance' attacks.

209 Charles Johnson  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 9:41:04am

OT: Two previously banned sock puppets re-registered last night. Both creationists. And both now banned again.

210 realwest  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 9:41:04am

re: #144 Iron Fist
My friend: there aren't enough Republicans in Congress (even if you include the RINO's) to stop it.

211 faraway  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 9:41:16am

I am going to check to see if I can be frozen along with Ted Williams' head for the next 4 years.

Thaw me out on 1/20/2013 if there's any good news.

P.S. If McCain wins, wait 4 more years.

212 oldschool  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 9:41:17am

Well time for people to move out of prime targets such as NYC and DC. But the majority of the people living there voted for BO. They voted for the man that may be the cause of there death. Brilliant!

213 descolada9  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 9:41:20am

I find myself constantly cringing, as though I am subconsciously expecting to be hit by something. In just a few days Obama has done more to put this country back in danger after the years of work done by his predecessor.

214 Honorary Yooper  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 9:41:33am

re: #197 realwest

I reckon that means you live in a big city - probably a coastal city.
They ain't gonna bomb us here in the southern mountains (piedmont) of North Carolina.

"Flyover country" won't be exempt from it. I'd expect them to go after Chicago due to it's size, importance, and the fact BHO is from there. Think I may not want to go into the Loop for the next four years.

215 aboo-Hoo-Hoo  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 9:41:34am

re: #106 kansas

Shit, and I thought I was safe here in Kansas. Now they want to move these guys to within 50 miles of where I live. Thanks a lot. How can one President fuck up so much in 3 days?

If your referring to Leavenworth, don't look for it happening without a huge fight.

216 unreconstructed rebel  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 9:41:34am

re: #206 shanec99

I hope that you lose that bet. For all of our sakes.

Me, too!

217 wolfie  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 9:42:09am

re: #101 Wishing

I guess one good piece of news in the last few days is that MSM is starting to get a little p.o.'d with the Mystical One. His idea of transparency is apparently showcased in secretiveness and dodging.
I like it.
Let em rue the day they covered his sorry ass with their MSM balderdash.

They expect him to worship or, at the very least, to show some courtesy to his Creator....i.e., themselves But this is an inside-the-Politburo spat. It will not affect the media's determination to sell their Creature to the electorate.

218 Stonemason  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 9:42:09am

Let me get this straight, we had months of hearings (911 comission) and more months of hearings (ISG) and then the legal opinions were handed down to our intelligence services, with some handed down in between of course. Now, 7 years into the GWOT our intelligence agencies have to stop everything and wait for more rulings from new lawyers for fear of being held accountable for something that was acceptable yesterday?

This group did not have enough time to read every opinion and for them to simply wipe them all out just 'cause they were written by ideological opposites is not only childish, but is leaving us in a very bad place.

I hope there are opinions in the wings, NOW, to be sent to all involved so they can keep working to keep us safe. If not, why not... a question I am afraid is not going to be asked directly of Mr Obama.

219 faraway  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 9:42:13am

re: #209 Charles

OT: Two previously banned sock puppets re-registered last night. Both creationists. And both now banned again.

You obviously don't believe in reincarnation.

220 ArmyWife  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 9:42:15am

re: #195 MandyManners

Speaking of troofers, just what will they do when we get attacked again thanks to this buffoon? Bush/Cheney aftershocks?

221 formercorpsman  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 9:42:16am

The interesting thing in all of this, is that the handlers, and the political insiders on the Dem's side know that if any terrorist is successful in making a serious blow to our homeland again, despite the claims that they were mad at us for the last 8 years of Bush, it is a death blow to their future.

Obviously, we often claim they are lame brained, etc. Inside folks of the party know what their fatal liabilities are, and there is no doubt at all, this is one of them.

On the down side of this, judging from history, given the opportunity to justifiably use their records against them in the court of American public opinion, the Republicans have decided to instead put their balls in jars for display, and tow the line of "bipartisanship".

222 jcm  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 9:42:38am

re: #181 itellu3times

What the heck, this is probably a dumb move, but sometimes you just have to make the dumb move, and take the consequences, before you can try something smarter. And, there is a teeny tiny chance that it might in some way work out, say, if we put all the savings from closing Gitmo into the Irish Sweepstakes.

Not dumb, fellow traveler. Obama knows exactly what he is doing.
Give Constitutional Rights to foreign illegal combatants.
Snatch defeat from victory in Iraq in a mere 16 months.
Compromise the security of White House comms with a crackberry.
Break the US economy as it's never been broken.

Those are his stated goals.

I've given him a chance for 4 days he is following through on those stated goals. What else should I give him? A loyalty pledge?

It took Rabbit Bait years to do this much damage.

223 yma o hyd  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 9:42:41am

re: #104 Kenneth

The missile strike in Pakistan is not a new policy. It's the continuation of the existing policy started by Bush. Obama kept Bush's Defense Secretary Gates, and the Commander of Central Command Gen. Petraeus.

He kept them for the time being ...
How long will that be?

224 opinionated  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 9:42:43am

re: #190 Iron Fist

Nonsense. The way the Republican primary is set up Social Conservatives who put abortion above everything else weed out the field.

With those people not giving Giuliani even a look he stood no chance.

What do we do now?

Hope the country survives under Obama until 2012 and make certain the same Social Conservatives don't against have that same disastrous veto on the nominee (or his/her VP pick).

225 brent  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 9:42:45am
Bush’s ‘War’ On Terror Comes to a Sudden End.

No word from Al Qaeda as to when they plan on ending their war. Probably when they win or die, as anyone that's serious about a war knows.

226 Joan Not of Arc  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 9:42:46am

Has Obama magically shifted the reins of power to more democratic groups in Iran and North Korea? Wow! He IS the Chosen One.
Oh look! A flying pig!

227 gmsc  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 9:42:54am

re: #154 doppelganglander

The first attack on the WTC happened 37 days after Clinton took office.

...and Sudan even offered to turn Osama Bin Laden over to us, but Susan Rice bugled the deal.

Hopefully, 0bama doesn't have anyone like Susan Rice in his cabinet.

Oh, wait . . .

228 doppelganglander  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 9:42:55am

Here's something I didn't know that royally pisses me off. According to Wikipedia, this is the text of the memorial to those killed in the 1993 WTC attack:

"On February 26, 1993, a bomb set by terrorists exploded below this site. This horrible act of violence killed innocent people, injured thousands, and made victims of us all."

Number 1: Why not name those mysterious terrorists?
Number 2: "horrible act of violence" doesn't begin to cover it. How about "act of war?"
Number 3: "made victims of us all?" Screw that. I will not be a victim and I will not allow others to be victims. It should say "made warriors and freedom fighters of us all." Oh, wait, I forgot. The Clinton administration treated it like a minor criminal matter. That's what made us all victims.

229 redstateredneck  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 9:43:22am

re: #197 realwest

I reckon that means you live in a big city - probably a coastal city.
They ain't gonna bomb us here in the southern mountains (piedmont) of North Carolina.

Not unless they want to take on Nascar lovin', gun-totin' rednecks!

230 jcm  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 9:43:32am

re: #185 snowcrash

No surprise for me. He said in his Inaugural speech that he would reject the false choice between safety and ideals. Time will prove him right or wrong but I don't see him giving up the armored tank/limo he has for personal security.

He's not worried about Jihadis. He's worried about the bitter and clingy.

231 jcbunga  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 9:43:36am

Can't you just see The One charging up Omaha Beach, pointing madly and screaming his fearsome war cry, "Arrest that man! Arrest that man!"...

232 faraway  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 9:43:38am

re: #214 Honorary Yooper

"Flyover country" won't be exempt from it. I'd expect them to go after Chicago due to it's size, importance, and the fact BHO is from there. Think I may not want to go into the Loop for the next four years.

DC will be safe. We do more damage from there than the Talleybon ever could.

233 Sunlight  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 9:43:52am

re: #197 realwest

I reckon that means you live in a big city - probably a coastal city.
They ain't gonna bomb us here in the southern mountains (piedmont) of North Carolina.

No, no! I live in flyover country! All hail flyover country!

234 solomonpanting  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 9:43:54am

re: #207 Dark_Falcon

I know what I said before but for this one I have to take time to say: Good catch! The Nevile Chamberlain quote is very well used here.


Thanks.
Hope I'm wrong, though.

235 gmsc  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 9:44:12am

re: #208 jetprop

Unfortunately. "Progressives" will play it off as 'just nuisance' attacks.

If they're truly nuisance attacks, then they'll only be attacking the nuisances in Washington DC.

236 formercorpsman  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 9:44:14am

re: #218 Stonemason


Excellent post. With that, will also come anyone in that pipeline who even read an opinion, or was part of the process.

237 ArmyWife  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 9:44:17am

re: #209 Charles

You would think they would have better things to do with their lives...oh, wait. I just answered my own question.

238 wiffersnapper  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 9:44:18am

thou shall not question the messiah

239 Taqiyyotomist  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 9:44:30am

re: #148 Sunlight

I've thought, many times, of the people I've talked politics with, who've disagreed with me. If it's a good discussion, and you can tell right away, I'll explain my positions for as long as the conversation is worthwhile, as long as I can tell my words are actually being absorbed into a thinking brain.

I usually don't continue to argue if I can tell that I'm talking to a brick wall.

If this is 1930's Europe all over again, and something unspeakably dark is about to happen, as I've "felt" (good old lefty word) for a couple of years now, all those MANY people I've stopped arguing with, perhaps out of a self-interest in civility or non-confrontationalism, are going to be pretty mad at me when it goes down. And I think they will have a right to be enraged at me. I can hear it "Why didn't you tell us more, why didn't you LITERALLY SCREAM IT AT US?! Why didn't you shake us by the lapels and yell it into our ears, if you KNEW this was coming?"

The enemy makes papier-mache puppets by the thousands to perpetrate a lie. The enemy screams through megaphones for low, petty selfish desires, at passers-by, go to zombietime and see 'em. The enemy spends MILLIONS of dollars on their f**king "Awareness" campaigns.

Just how long are those who pay attention to the past going to remain so silent? And when will we take to the streets? When should we? When the first mass graves are being filled? If not, when?

240 Maximu§  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 9:44:32am

I wanted to give Obama the benefit-of-the-doubt....I really did.

241 tfc3rid  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 9:44:42am

re: #212 oldschool

Well time for people to move out of prime targets such as NYC and DC. But the majority of the people living there voted for BO. They voted for the man that may be the cause of there death. Brilliant!

I'm working on it but it's a lot easier said than done...

242 jcbunga  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 9:44:43am

re: #209 Charles

OT: Two previously banned sock puppets re-registered last night. Both creationists. And both now banned again.

The fools. They even try to speed up membership here.

243 winston06  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 9:44:52am

re: #240 Maximu§

I doubt he deserves it

244 Dianna  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 9:45:05am

re: #173 MandyManners

Yes, it is, but...not usually used that way.

245 [deleted]  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 9:45:06am
246 gop_patriot  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 9:45:15am

re: #231 jcbunga

Can't you just see The One charging up Omaha Beach, pointing madly and screaming his fearsome war cry, "Arrest that man! Arrest that man!"...

"Form a committee! File a lawsuit! Help, help, they're being oppressed!"

/gah

247 Nevergiveup  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 9:45:16am

re: #231 jcbunga

Can't you just see The One charging up Omaha Beach, pointing madly and screaming his fearsome war cry, "Arrest that man! Arrest that man!"...

Maybe he will fly a single seat airplane into Afghanistan to make peace with Osama ala Rudolph Hess?

248 [deleted]  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 9:45:27am
249 Taqiyyotomist  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 9:45:50am

re: #194 Racer X

I think you mean Killgore Trout.

Whatever, let's name em all, kick em outa the site....
/ / /

250 bellamags  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 9:45:51am

I remember feeling guilty for not giving the O the benefit of the doubt. Just give him a chance, he's not in office yet people said.
Well, here is a big f*ck you to all those people. Obama is a sock puppet for Soros and Ayers. I am sure his agenda is a systematic dismantling of our strength and power through castrated national security and economic disaster. We are f*ucked.

251 x-wing  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 9:45:52am

re: #197 realwest

I reckon that means you live in a big city - probably a coastal city.
They ain't gonna bomb us here in the southern mountains (piedmont) of North Carolina.


The irony is un-believable. The people who are the biggest Obama supporters are the one's who will most likely get hit in the next attack.

252 unreconstructed rebel  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 9:45:53am

re: #222 jcm

Not dumb, fellow traveler. Obama knows exactly what he is doing.
Give Constitutional Rights to foreign illegal combatants.
Snatch defeat from victory in Iraq in a mere 16 months.
Compromise the security of White House comms with a crackberry.
Break the US economy as it's never been broken.

Those are his stated goals.

I've given him a chance for 4 days he is following through on those stated goals. What else should I give him? A loyalty pledge?

It took Rabbit Bait years to do this much damage.

Are you saying the Ayers connection weren't for nothing? Does this cat have ties to the ACLU? (& I wanted to sleep tonite.)

253 Nevergiveup  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 9:46:01am

re: #240 Maximu§

I wanted to give Obama the benefit-of-the-doubt....I really did.

That's because your a better person than I am.

254 BingoBunny  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 9:46:07am

If we get caught flat-footed in the next 4 years.. I'm sure Obama will have a plan to blame Bush for the failure.

/mission accomplished.. B ho.. Jan 22 2009

255 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 9:46:13am

re: #222 jcm

It took Rabbit Bait years to do this much damage.

Since this is Carter II, we're going through the recap of the original movie. Wait until we get to the new material.
But this is no movie, this is real.

256 MandyManners  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 9:46:18am

re: #209 Charles

OT: Two previously banned sock puppets re-registered last night. Both creationists. And both now banned again.

I heard two, distant *pop*s as their widdle heads exploded.

257 E.T.  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 9:46:21am

Unfortunately this will all seem trivial ... once Iran gets the bomb that is ...

258 jcbunga  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 9:46:23am

re: #246 gop_patriot

"Form a committee! File a lawsuit! Help, help, they're being oppressed!"

/gah

Ha!

Meanwhile, the Nazi's are all puzzled..."Is he talking to us?"

259 redc1c4  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 9:46:24am

Oh yee of little hope.......

260 faraway  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 9:46:29am

re: #231 jcbunga

Can't you just see The One charging up Omaha Beach, pointing madly and screaming his fearsome war cry, "Arrest that man! Arrest that man!"...

Claus, come here. Let's talk.

261 MJBrutus  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 9:46:31am
Bush's War on Terror comes to a Sudden End

Did we win?

Ah who cares. Peace is breaking out every where! Oh happy day!

/sarc

262 Tigger2005  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 9:46:31am

re: #194 Racer X

I think you mean Killgore Trout.

Right, I'm always getting those two confused. Sorry Killian.

263 vagabond trader  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 9:46:35am

re: #220 ArmyWife

It was all pre planned by Bushitler and the Neocon Zionists before leaving office. I have a note warning me to stay out of a large city on a certain date. Have to locate it.

264 Sharmuta  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 9:46:41am

re: #182 J.S.

Thanks- I'll look into that.

265 astronmr20  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 9:47:23am

America, you just chose.... poorly.


Youtube Video
266 rexatosis  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 9:47:35am

This is the problem of electing Obama, who has never had to make a major professional administrative or executive decision at any level, president. He just does not understand policy has consequences. He doesn't even know what his administration is going to do with the Gitmo detainees. We are so (bleeped).

267 2MurthasRight  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 9:47:49am

Who won? Gordon Cucullu says Americans have been flooding the Gitmo ghouls with fan mail, letters of support, even Christmas cards, and have virtually ignored our troops guarding them. I think that answers my question.

BTW, John Murtha should be duct-taped down and forced to repeatedly listen to Cucculu describe how the detainees and are troops are being treated.

268 Spiny Norman  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 9:47:51am

re: #215 aboo-Hoo-Hoo

re: #106 kansas

Shit, and I thought I was safe here in Kansas. Now they want to move these guys to within 50 miles of where I live. Thanks a lot. How can one President fuck up so much in 3 days?

If you're referring to Leavenworth, don't look for it happening without a huge fight.

The moment the terrorists currently held at Gitmo are brought to this country, a Clinton-appointed federal judge will order them released. Mark my words.

269 MandyManners  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 9:47:54am

re: #244 Dianna

Yes, it is, but...not usually used that way.

As in, "the crowd surged forward".

270 Wishing  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 9:47:56am

re: #171 Guanxi88

Reference to the Weather Underground's Manifesto, by Ayers among others.

Egad!

271 tackle  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 9:47:56am

I keep thinking of the Lennon song:
War is over
If you want it
War is over
Nowwwwwwww.

Or, in other words:
"It's not a lie if you believe it." /George Costanza

272 jcm  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 9:48:09am

re: #209 Charles

OT: Two previously banned sock puppets re-registered last night. Both creationists. And both now banned again.

There is no afterlife!

273 opinionated  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 9:48:13am

I don't know if any of you guys caught something on CNN.

When Obama visited the State Dept yesterday an American diplomat greeted him in Indonesian.

Obama responded in the same language.

The CNN corresponded was giddy with the "message" Obama was "sending to the World" by responding in a foreign [Islamic] language.

I couldn't help thinking what would be the reaction under the same circumstance if the language was Hebrew (then I slapped my head, a State Dept person touting Hebrew- never).

274 LGoPs  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 9:48:13am

I just can't figure liberals out except in terms of truly having a mental disorder. Not one that qualifies for institutionalization but certainly one that qualifies for being kept away from areas where their twisted reasoning actually has an impact on all of us.
How is it that liberals can get their panties in a bunch over cigarettes and yet be so cavalier in dealing with terrorists?
Liberals shouldn't be allowed near anything more dangerous than foam rubber nerf toys and yet we've put them in charge of security for all of us.
God help the United States and God forgive them, for they know not what they do......
God will need to forgive them for that, for I never shall - these bastards know precisely what they're doing and they do it willfully.

275 Kenneth  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 9:48:30am

re: #223 yma o hyd

He kept them for the time being ...
How long will that be?

Until they save his ass by solving the problems in Iraq & Afghanistan. Obama campaigned on re-focusing the fight in Af'stan. He would be a fool to pull the best general he has.

276 BlueBottle  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 9:48:47am

So after Gitmo closes, will we still keep the real estate or will President Obama hand that over to los hermanos Castro?

277 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 9:49:14am

re: #262 Tigger2005

Key components of the secret structure developed under Bush are being swept away: The military's Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, facility, where the rights of habeas corpus and due process had been denied detainees, will close, and the CIA is now prohibited from maintaining its own overseas prisons. And in a broad swipe at the Bush administration's lawyers, Obama nullified every legal order and opinion on interrogations issued by any lawyer in the executive branch after Sept. 11, 2001.


I don't see anything here that McCain didn't also pledge to do.

279 MandyManners  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 9:49:43am

re: #250 bellamags

I remember feeling guilty for not giving the O the benefit of the doubt. Just give him a chance, he's not in office yet people said.
Well, here is a big f*ck you to all those people. Obama is a sock puppet for Soros and Ayers. I am sure his agenda is a systematic dismantling of our strength and power through castrated national security and economic disaster. We are f*ucked.

I wonder what Avanti's thinking.

280 nyc redneck  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 9:49:45am

rush just played a clip of the o saying he was concerned abt. people in gov't, spending money on rugs and stuff in their offices. and how he wanted to have conversations w/ them abt. such questionable spending.
hells bells, he needs to learn to prioritize.
he is upset abt. rugs? wtf? shouldn't someone else handle that.
how could he possible think, that being so hands-on, in such a petty way is appropriate.
when the world is teeming and festering.

281 Nevergiveup  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 9:50:00am

re: #276 BlueBottle

So after Gitmo closes, will we still keep the real estate or will President Obama hand that over to los hermanos Castro?

I understand it's so nice down there, they will converting it into luxury condos without even changing one thing?
/

282 AuntAcid  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 9:50:10am

"Lord, what fools these Liberals be!"

283 [deleted]  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 9:50:33am
284 Maximu§  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 9:50:37am

re: #253 Nevergiveup

That's because your a better person than I am.

No, I'm just a Man who trys to be positive and wants the best for America and our children. Next on Obama's list?

Perhaps the "don't ask, don't tell" Gay agenda he will shove down our military's throats.

285 Taqiyyotomist  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 9:50:40am

In a couple years, if things get even crazier...if there aren't a million conservatives on the streets in protest, I'll begin to question whether we, too, have a mass mental disorder.

286 formercorpsman  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 9:50:46am

re: #224 opinionated

I'm actually one who leans towards both conservative ideals, and was fully prepared to vote for Rudy.

Iron Fist is correct, the field of contenders for the Republican ticket from the get go seemed like they were not interested.

I recall watching the early debates, none of them really wanted it.

Furthermore, if the control was all in the socon's hands, Huckabee would have maintained momentum beyond Iowa. McCain snagged the nomination, etc.

To blame where we are now, is not really fair to lay this at the feet of people opposed to abortion. It is much more complex than that.

287 Wishing  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 9:50:50am

re: #268 Spiny Norman

The moment the terrorists currently held at Gitmo are brought to this country, a Clinton-appointed federal judge will order them released. Mark my words.

Sadly, I think you are spot on.

288 bellamags  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 9:51:09am

re: #280 nyc redneck

rush just played a clip of the o saying he was concerned abt. people in gov't, spending money on rugs and stuff in their offices. and how he wanted to have conversations w/ them abt. such questionable spending.
hells bells, he needs to learn to prioritize.
he is upset abt. rugs? wtf? shouldn't someone else handle that.
how could he possible think, that being so hands-on, in such a petty way is appropriate.
when the world is teeming and festering.

talk about micro-managing. jeez.

289 [deleted]  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 9:51:21am
290 CyanSnowHawk  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 9:51:21am

re: #162 faraway

Pockeyston

Talleybon

Hey Mr. Talleybon, Tally me Obama
Daylight Going and I Want a Safe Home

291 ArmyWife  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 9:51:24am

re: #239 Taqiyyotomist

I hear you, but what is the right answer? Papier-mâché can't be it. We've got the Internet covered, but we fail miserably in print and TV journalism. Do we start there? Do we attempt to print a right-leaning newspaper? Heck, what about a newspaper that is non-biased even? Do we start a TV show? Don't point to Fox. They have fallen into the tank with the other piranha (did Shep cry with George?). How do we fund this? Who is our George Soros?

292 Vicious Michigan Union Thug  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 9:51:31am

re: #162 faraway

Pockeyston

Talleybon

Talibon

293 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 9:51:40am

re: #280 nyc redneck

rush just played a clip of the o saying he was concerned abt. people in gov't, spending money on rugs and stuff in their offices. and how he wanted to have conversations w/ them abt. such questionable spending.
hells bells, he needs to learn to prioritize.
he is upset abt. rugs? wtf? shouldn't someone else handle that.
how could he possible think, that being so hands-on, in such a petty way is appropriate.
when the world is teeming and festering.

If they were prayer rugs, would he allow them? Probably

294 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 9:51:40am

re: #273 opinionated

I couldn't help thinking what would be the reaction under the same circumstance if the language was Hebrew (then I slapped my head, a State Dept person touting Hebrew- never).

If (G-d forbid) a nuclear weapon destroys Tel Aviv, Obama might say "Baruch Hashem."

295 redc1c4  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 9:51:42am

re: #206 shanec99

I hope that you lose that bet. For all of our sakes.

that hope won't change the fact that he's most likely correct, although i think it'll take a bit longer .... say 180 or more, simply because of the logistics involved.

296 MandyManners  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 9:51:51am

re: #278 gmsc

OT: Military Color Guard to present the colors in opening ceremonies of Super Bowl XLIII . . . before being escorted out of the stadium before the game itself begins.

What has become a common yet gracious act of allowing a military color guard to stay and watch the game from the side lines, in honor of their service to our country, this time has them being treated as if they are the unwelcome guests, common servants to be whisked away as soon as their task is completed.

WTF?

297 tackle  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 9:51:51am

re: #186 vagabond trader

And The Obama's Lincolnesque pretenses. I mean Lincoln suspended Habeas Corpus during the Civil War. Habeas Corpus is exactly what the liberal complaint about Gitmo is.Cannot make this krap up.

Glenn Beck was talking about that yesterday, I think. He compares himself to Lincoln yet does the opposite of what Lincoln did.

298 Dianna  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 9:51:51am

re: #280 nyc redneck

rush just played a clip of the o saying he was concerned abt. people in gov't, spending money on rugs and stuff in their offices. and how he wanted to have conversations w/ them abt. such questionable spending.
hells bells, he needs to learn to prioritize.
he is upset abt. rugs? wtf? shouldn't someone else handle that.
how could he possible think, that being so hands-on, in such a petty way is appropriate.
when the world is teeming and festering.

Remember when Carter scheduled the White House tennis courts? It's micro-management taken to absurd lengths.

300 doppelganglander  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 9:52:00am

re: #185 snowcrash

No surprise for me. He said in his Inaugural speech that he would reject the false choice between safety and ideals. Time will prove him right or wrong but I don't see him giving up the armored tank/limo he has for personal security.

Obie is the only one who sets it up as a false choice. His ideals are groveling before world opinion, trying to talk to ruthless murderers, forfeiting our power to the UN, and reducing our standard of living in the hopes that Europeans will no longer envy us. Safety comes through strength and is necessary to preserve our ideals and share them with those who wish to be free.

301 nyc redneck  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 9:52:19am

re: #154 doppelganglander

The first attack on the WTC happened 37 days after Clinton took office.

and he didn't even think it was important enough to put in an appearance.

302 andopolis  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 9:52:26am

Glad to see NMP Obama has acted so quickly to help those that want to kill us. So when do I get my promised tax break? Anyone? Anyone? Beuler?

303 Tigger2005  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 9:52:36am

re: #257 E.T.

Unfortunately this will all seem trivial ... once Iran gets the bomb that is ...

Yeah, and unless Israel does something, that WILL happen. Because WE sure as hell aren't going to do a damn thing.

Often I wonder how long life is going to keep being worth living. I never felt this way during the Cold War even though we were always just seconds away, even a mere misread radar screen away, from global annihilation. I always had hope for the future. I always had faith in America as a whole to do the right thing.

If America cannot do right, hope is lost.

304 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 9:52:42am

re: #283 buzzsawmonkey

"I declare the war is over"

--a song by the late Maoist folk singer Phil Ochs

Then he gets shot by a terrorist quoting Yogi Berra: "It ain't over till it's over"

305 Nevergiveup  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 9:52:43am

re: #278 gmsc

OT: Military Color Guard to present the colors in opening ceremonies of Super Bowl XLIII . . . before being escorted out of the stadium before the game itself begins.

Well you wouldn't want to really remind the American Public that we are actually at WAR and then they might feel guilty that only a few are actually making the sacrifice?

306 MandyManners  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 9:52:44am

re: #285 Taqiyyotomist

In a couple years, if things get even crazier...if there aren't a million conservatives on the streets in protest, I'll begin to question whether we, too, have a mass mental disorder.

We're busy working, tending house and raising kids.

307 CyanSnowHawk  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 9:52:48am

re: #256 MandyManners

I heard two, distant *pop*s as their widdle heads exploded.

They are no longer fit.

308 Dianna  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 9:53:08am

re: #285 Taqiyyotomist

We won't have to. After the next series of attacks, we're going to watch the moonbats turn en masse.

309 Guanxi88  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 9:53:12am

re: #285 Taqiyyotomist

In a couple years, if things get even crazier...if there aren't a million conservatives on the streets in protest, I'll begin to question whether we, too, have a mass mental disorder.

Sort of "battered spouse" but more of 'em. Something along those lines.

If you take a rat and systematically thwart his attempts to move long enough, you can be sure that it will shortly become incapable of moving or acting, once the restrictions are moved. Parable from Skinner.

310 faraway  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 9:53:18am

re: #292 Alouette

Talibon

hahahahahaha

311 jaunte  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 9:53:20am

re: #278 gmsc

Treating the Military like unworthy servants is par for the recent (since Johnson) Dem course.

312 so.cal.swede  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 9:53:22am

the sad part is that every single act of terrorism under Obamas watch, even if his actions (like these) are the direct enabler of it, will be blamed right square on Bush.

313 doppelganglander  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 9:53:57am

re: #285 Taqiyyotomist

In a couple years, if things get even crazier...if there aren't a million conservatives on the streets in protest, I'll begin to question whether we, too, have a mass mental disorder.

We also have jobs. As I said to my daughter the other day, the difficulty in combating collectivism is that we individualists tend not to be joiners.

314 Irenike  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 9:53:58am

Here's my latest bumper sticker idea:

Hoping for Change in 2012

315 redc1c4  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 9:53:58am

re: #250 bellamags

I remember feeling guilty for not giving the O the benefit of the doubt. Just give him a chance, he's not in office yet people said.
Well, here is a big f*ck you to all those people. Obama is a sock puppet for Soros and Ayers. I am sure his agenda is a systematic dismantling of our strength and power through castrated national security and economic disaster. We are f*ucked.

i, for one, think you're being too optimistic.

316 vagabond trader  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 9:54:08am

re: #267 2MurthasRight

Revolting.I know what I'd do with the detainees.

317 yma o hyd  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 9:54:09am

re: #220 ArmyWife

Speaking of troofers, just what will they do when we get attacked again thanks to this buffoon? Bush/Cheney aftershocks?

Absolutely.
They started it, didn't they ...

///////

318 Stonemason  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 9:54:11am

re: #286 formercorpsman

It was over before we voted anyway, McCain was chosen long before PA had a choice.

319 Sunlight  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 9:54:13am

Spent last weekend with lib relatives visiting from the east coast. They were stunned at my "enthusiasm" at wanting Israel not to have rockets raining on them. And my strident advocacy of stopping Iran from putting a nuke onto Tel Aviv. They were saying things like, "We can't interfere in Iran. It's way to big. And we may have bad intel." And I said, "So we just leave Israel to their fate?" and they just shrugged their shoulders. They were more concerned with the civilians in Gaza. They actually said they think I'm "irrational" on this topic. Israel needs to not count on the dems in D.C. right now to be willing to go out on any limbs for them. They did say, "Maybe you don't realize that so many people are now seeing that the Arabs want to get rid of Israel, not just have a Palestinian country. And we're saying no you can't do that." Of course it is very late to be realizing that and I'm unclear that they will do much (in time, before Iran bombs Tel Aviv) beyond their idea of "just say no".

320 [deleted]  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 9:54:46am
321 realwest  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 9:54:49am

re: #179 wolfie
Hey there wolfie! How are you?
I hate to have to contradict you, but the MSM believes, with quite some evidence to support them, that THEY are responsible for Obama getting elected.
They will ultimately turn on him - see the mini-fire storm after yesterday's non-event of Obama going to sit down to "chat" with the press and someone had the brass to ask him a tough question. Obama fired off some fairly strong language at the perpetrator and stormed out. For ONCE the MSM didn't blame the person who asked the question - instead there were ripples of discontent within the MSM.
Obama needs to be very, very careful about what he says and how he treats the MSM or they will pound him.

322 Opinionated  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 9:54:52am

re: #286 formercorpsman

There is no point in arguing it now- except that we should learn from what happened.

I remember the vitriol directed toward Giuliani and his supporters even before the campaign started.

It's true, Social Conservatives can't pick the nominee. But they do weed the field out and sometimes the cream falls away in the process.

And then they repeat when it's time to picking a VP.

323 LGoPs  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 9:54:55am

re: #298 Dianna

Remember when Carter scheduled the White House tennis courts? It's micro-management taken to absurd lengths.

Liberals are by nature micro-managers, IMO. And by focusing on the minutiae, they lose sight of the big picture and f*ck it up.......

324 Kaymad  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 9:55:09am

I feel safer already!

325 unreconstructed rebel  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 9:55:10am

re: #286 formercorpsman

I'm actually one who leans towards both conservative ideals, and was fully prepared to vote for Rudy.

Iron Fist is correct, the field of contenders for the Republican ticket from the get go seemed like they were not interested.

I recall watching the early debates, none of them really wanted it.

Furthermore, if the control was all in the socon's hands, Huckabee would have maintained momentum beyond Iowa. McCain snagged the nomination, etc.

To blame where we are now, is not really fair to lay this at the feet of people opposed to abortion. It is much more complex than that.

Correct, Way too many of us evangelical, right-to-lifers were only too happy to vote Rudy if he had just acted like he cared. Something else was afoot.

326 jcm  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 9:55:22am

re: #280 nyc redneck

rush just played a clip of the o saying he was concerned abt. people in gov't, spending money on rugs and stuff in their offices. and how he wanted to have conversations w/ them abt. such questionable spending.
hells bells, he needs to learn to prioritize.
he is upset abt. rugs? wtf? shouldn't someone else handle that.
how could he possible think, that being so hands-on, in such a petty way is appropriate.
when the world is teeming and festering.

Che flags a requirement or optional?

327 ThinkRight  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 9:55:24am

re: #276 BlueBottle

So after Gitmo closes, will we still keep the real estate or will President Obama hand that over to los hermanos Castro?


We lease it
They own it

328 doppelganglander  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 9:55:34am

re: #298 Dianna

Remember when Carter scheduled the White House tennis courts? It's micro-management taken to absurd lengths.

I was thinking that exact thought. At first you'd think wasting time on trivialities would keep BHO occupied and he'd do less damage, but it didn't prevent Carter from almost destroying the country.

329 Spiny Norman  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 9:55:39am

re: #247 Nevergiveup

Maybe he will fly a single seat airplane into Afghanistan to make peace with Osama ala Rudolph Hess?

Hess flew a two-seater Messerschmitt, a Bf-110, to Scotland in 1941. There just wasn't anyone in the rear gunner's seat...

/nit pick

330 Wishing  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 9:55:52am

re: #280 nyc redneck

rush just played a clip of the o saying he was concerned abt. people in gov't, spending money on rugs and stuff in their offices. and how he wanted to have conversations w/ them abt. such questionable spending.
hells bells, he needs to learn to prioritize.
he is upset abt. rugs? wtf? shouldn't someone else handle that.
how could he possible think, that being so hands-on, in such a petty way is appropriate.
when the world is teeming and festering.

He can't delegate. He will count the rugs and let the soldiers die, put the cites of the USA at risk. But, by God, there will be NO personal expenditures for rugs.

331 papa foxtrot  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 9:56:06am

Well, when BHO gets asked by the press, "What was your biggest mistake?", he may have a ready answer...

332 vagabond trader  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 9:56:33am

re: #273 opinionated

Hope they catch him yapping in Arabic.A prayer would be nice.

sarc/ ... sort of

333 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 9:56:33am

re: #319 Sunlight

Spent last weekend with lib relatives visiting from the east coast. They were stunned at my "enthusiasm" at wanting Israel not to have rockets raining on them. And my strident advocacy of stopping Iran from putting a nuke onto Tel Aviv. They were saying things like, "We can't interfere in Iran. It's way to big. And we may have bad intel." And I said, "So we just leave Israel to their fate?" and they just shrugged their shoulders. They were more concerned with the civilians in Gaza. They actually said they think I'm "irrational" on this topic. Israel needs to not count on the dems in D.C. right now to be willing to go out on any limbs for them. They did say, "Maybe you don't realize that so many people are now seeing that the Arabs want to get rid of Israel, not just have a Palestinian country. And we're saying no you can't do that." Of course it is very late to be realizing that and I'm unclear that they will do much (in time, before Iran bombs Tel Aviv) beyond their idea of "just say no".

Remind them that to Iran, the US is the "Great Satan"; Israel is only the "Little Satan". They can't feel safe in the US if Iran has nukes.

334 formercorpsman  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 9:56:45am

re: #318 Stonemason

True. It was burn out.

In my opinion, the media realizing they wanted to prove something, decided the were going to make this election.

335 Nevergiveup  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 9:56:55am

re: #329 Spiny Norman

Hess flew a two-seater Messerschmitt, a Bf-110, to Scotland in 1941. There just wasn't anyone in the rear gunner's seat...

/nit pick

No it is important to be historically correct.

336 Wishing  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 9:56:59am

re: #294 Who Watches the Watchmen?

If (G-d forbid) a nuclear weapon destroys Tel Aviv, Obama might say "Baruch Hashem."

...and I would immediately slap his face

337 so.cal.swede  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 9:57:02am

re: #331 papa foxtrot

Well, when BHO gets asked by the press, "What was your biggest mistake?", he may have a ready answer...

The One makes no mistakes. Bad effects are aftershocks from the Bush administration.

338 redc1c4  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 9:57:02am

re: #240 Maximu§

I wanted to give Obama the benefit-of-the-doubt....I really did.

that's because you're not as cynical experienced as i am.

/have a drink

339 Racer X  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 9:57:04am

re: #305 Nevergiveup

Well you wouldn't want to really remind the American Public that we are actually at WAR and then they might feel guilty that only a few are actually making the sacrifice?

The War is over.

Guess who won?

340 bellamags  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 9:57:07am

re: #315 redc1c4

i, for one, think you're being too optimistic.

ha. i need a drink. its my birthday Sunday (yuck) and i am starting to party tonight and it will continue over the entire weekend - esp. after reading all this.

341 E.T.  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 9:57:43am

re: #303 Tigger2005

True ... M.A.D. only works if both parties cared about living... doesn't do a damn thing against the death cult in Iran...

342 realwest  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 9:57:55am

re: #279 MandyManners
Avanti thinks? Really?

343 Nevergiveup  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 9:58:03am

re: #339 Racer X

The War is over.

Guess who won?

Well there goes my weekend.

344 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 9:58:05am

re: #340 bellamags

ha. i need a drink. its my birthday Sunday (yuck) and i am starting to party tonight and it will continue over the entire weekend - esp. after reading all this.

Happy B'day wonderful.

345 so.cal.swede  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 9:58:30am

Then when Obie pulls out our troops from Iraq, and civil war ensues, everyone will say that it was because a civil war was already ongoing because of bush.

Vietnam II ... leftists self-fulfilling prophecy.

346 nyc redneck  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 9:58:32am

re: #298 Dianna

Remember when Carter scheduled the White House tennis courts? It's micro-management taken to absurd lengths.

that is exactly what it is.
and a way to deflect suspicions that he is useless.
kind of a diversion. like a waffle.

347 Wishing  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 9:58:32am

re: #340 bellamags

ha. i need a drink. its my birthday Sunday (yuck) and i am starting to party tonight and it will continue over the entire weekend - esp. after reading all this.

HAPPY BDAY!

348 Occasional Reader  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 9:58:42am

re: #329 Spiny Norman

Hess flew a two-seater Messerschmitt, a Bf-110, to Scotland in 1941. There just wasn't anyone in the rear gunner's seat...

/nit pick

Oh, shut the Focke up!

349 bellamags  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 9:58:52am

re: #344 Walter L. Newton

Happy B'day wonderful.

hey sweetie! thank you.

350 ThinkRight  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 9:59:00am

re: #340 bellamags

ha. i need a drink. its my birthday Sunday (yuck) and i am starting to party tonight and it will continue over the entire weekend - esp. after reading all this.


Have FUN
Be careful
And drunk blogging will get you the stick

351 [deleted]  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 9:59:04am
352 CyanSnowHawk  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 9:59:09am

re: #296 MandyManners

What has become a common yet gracious act of allowing a military color guard to stay and watch the game from the side lines, in honor of their service to our country, this time has them being treated as if they are the unwelcome guests, common servants to be whisked away as soon as their task is completed.

WTF?

Now that the Dems are in control, it appears that the fair weather patriots no longer feel obligated to show even the shallow respect that they have since 9/11.

353 Marvo76  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 9:59:10am

re: #39 Dianna

He probably didn't even know he had done it.....look for that to change "to protect the integrity of sovern nations" (except the US when it comes to Illegal immigrants)

354 BigMoo  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 9:59:11am

re: #306 MandyManners
Exactly right. We're the folks who pay the frickin bills in this country-and still maintain a sense of 'decorum' in this country. Those lib-freak demonstrators have plenty of time on their hands, since all they have to do is get to their PO boxes once a month to receive their Social Security disability checks and fooodstamps...

355 bellamags  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 9:59:13am

re: #347 Wishing

HAPPY BDAY!

thank you -- ; )

356 rexatosis  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 9:59:25am

Obama is not Jimmy Carter II, he's James Buchanan II. Carter was just a painful boil on America's Arse, Buchanan was a damn near fatal cancer that caused the Civil War.

358 alegrias  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 10:00:22am

Any Northern Virginians in Fairfax Country can Just Say No to leftists and elect conservative Patrick Herrity for Board of Supervisors.

Please google Pat Herrity & find out how to help him turn the leftist tide.

359 Taqiyyotomist  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 10:00:39am

re: #291 ArmyWife

Really. Why won't Rush and a hundred other conservatives with deep pockets bankroll a large, USA-Today sized print paper, nationwide distribution. Reuters and AP stories could still be in the paper, we use 'em here...just append a fisking when needed, which isn't always...
There is no shortage of good writers in the Conservative blogosphere; in fact, that would be my choice for the entirety of the writing staff, with a few print columnists writing actual news copy as well, since Mike Adams, Malkin, D. Limbaugh, and a few dozen others tend to write less bias and more fact in their Editorials than most print newspapers do in their News stories.

Only problem, you'd have to post an armed guard next to every quarter-fed newspaper box in the nation, since Legions of Liberals would automatically, according to their well-crafted fascist programming, attempt to deface, defile, destroy, and, yes, even defecate on the newspaper boxes. That would actually be the BIGGEST HURDLE in the entire plan...keeping the newspaper boxes free from real, actual moonbat guano.

360 experiencedtraveller  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 10:00:54am

When I pronounce the new name of our nation as:

HOP-in-CHANJ-uh

it makes me feel better.

(Humor me. I'm close to ground zero.)

361 JacksonTn  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 10:01:01am

re: #342 realwest

Avanti thinks? Really?

Realwest ...Talking to Avanti or any other koolaid drinker is like ...being a battered ex-wife of a man who is 5 years behind on his child support talking to the new fiancee who is sporting a brand new shiny diamond ring ...

They will not see him for what he really is ...EVER ...until he slaps them across the face ...

362 yma o hyd  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 10:01:02am

re: #275 Kenneth

Until they save his ass by solving the problems in Iraq & Afghanistan. Obama campaigned on re-focusing the fight in Af'stan. He would be a fool to pull the best general he has.

One would hope so - but there are no guarantees. I think the LLL crowd has not quite cottoned on to Gen Petraeus' brilliance yet.
Onece they do, PB0 will end his career very swiftly, I'm afraid ...

363 realwest  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 10:01:16am

re: #282 AuntAcid
I know you were quoting there, but the reality is that there are no real "liberals" in the Democratic party - just Leftists and those who are Far Leftists.
See, e.g., Joe Lieberman - he may have been "socially" unacceptable to Repubicans/Conservatives but he was STRONG on National Defense and that's what counts in the world today.
Obama is gonna get the US hurt - BADLY HURT and I don't mean with his domestic policies either (although there's room to believe we need to fight him tooth and nail there too).

364 vxbush  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 10:01:40am

Enough of this insanity. I'm going to go outside and take a walk and continue my prayers of the last week.

365 MandyManners  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 10:01:44am

The first episode of The Beverly Hillbillies is on!

366 gmsc  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 10:01:45am

re: #360 experiencedtraveller

When I pronounce the new name of our nation as:

HOP-in-CHANJ-uh

it makes me feel better.

(Humor me. I'm close to ground zero.)

...with 57 states instead of 50!

367 nyc redneck  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 10:01:54am

re: #330 Wishing

He can't delegate. He will count the rugs and let the soldiers die, put the cites of the USA at risk. But, by God, there will be NO personal expenditures for rugs.

i know that is sarcasm but it hurts to read it.
it rings so true.
*head hits the key board*

368 Wyatt Earp  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 10:02:17am

re: #363 realwest

I know you were quoting there, but the reality is that there are no real "liberals" in the Democratic party - just Leftists and those who are Far Leftists.
See, e.g., Joe Lieberman - he may have been "socially" unacceptable to Repubicans/Conservatives but he was STRONG on National Defense and that's what counts in the world today.
Obama is gonna get the US hurt - BADLY HURT and I don't mean with his domestic policies either (although there's room to believe we need to fight him tooth and nail there too).

And if (and when) an attack occcurs, no one will blame Obama for these actions. No one in the media, anyway.

369 brookly red  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 10:02:17am

Has there been any new news about the plague deaths in the al quada camp? That one worries me.

370 gmsc  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 10:02:24am

re: #365 MandyManners

The first episode of The Beverly Hillbillies is on!

Now, Mandy, I'm not fond of the 0bama administration, either, but to refer to it that way . . .

371 ceemack  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 10:02:34am

I find myself wondering how many American servicemen will die as a direct result of this executive order.

And Obama is already showing his incompetence. He announced that Guantanamo would be closed, and then announced a study to find the best way to deal with the detainees at Guantanamo.

Seems to me a man who was as smart as Zero's supporters think he is would have done the study first, then closed Guantanamo when (and if) a workable alternative was available.

372 Guanxi88  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 10:02:36am

re: #365 MandyManners

The first episode of The Beverly Hillbillies is on!

Clinton inaugural re-runs?

373 maddogg  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 10:02:37am

re: #360 experiencedtraveller

When I pronounce the new name of our nation as:

HOP-in-CHANJ-uh

it makes me feel better.

(Humor me. I'm close to ground zero.)


The original, or the next one?

374 Creeping Eruption  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 10:02:44am

re: #365 MandyManners

The first episode of The Beverly Hillbillies is on!

This week I introduced my son to the Muppet Show.

375 jcm  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 10:02:53am

re: #330 Wishing

He can't delegate. He will count the rugs and let the soldiers die, put the cites of the USA at risk. But, by God, there will be NO personal expenditures for rugs.

What about plugs?

376 Tigger2005  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 10:02:57am

re: #285 Taqiyyotomist

In a couple years, if things get even crazier...if there aren't a million conservatives on the streets in protest, I'll begin to question whether we, too, have a mass mental disorder.

Far too many conservatives have bought into the belief that all our problems can be solved by criminalizing all abortions, posting the Ten Commandments in school hallways, teaching creationism in science classrooms, and having teacher-led Bible study and prayer. They will take to the streets to support a theocracy before they'll take to the streets to defend rational thinking and common sense.

377 anubis_soundwave  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 10:03:04am

re: #168 opnion

Me too. With all of McCains negatives , it was an easy call & staying home was not an option.

McCain would have been a patriotic (old-school) Democrat, much like President Bush was--or Reagan, for that matter. ("party left" him, remember?) I actually liked McCain, warts and all; I accepted him for what he was. He was even considerate enough to have his replacement lined up for us--addressing conservative concerns.(Though it was rotten how he allowed his staff to beat up on her post-election....)

This man...this President Obama...!

It will be a long four years.

Honestly, if we as a country needed a black Democrat PotUS that badly, an accomplished and capable gentleman named Earvin Johnson was available. (One of many black Americans to endorse the NO-ONE who was more qualified for the job of PotUS.)

A. Long. Four. Years.... I have the Countdown Clock bookmarked at home.

As an American, I shake my head. As one of African descent...my "race" had better. (Hell, even dumb old P. Diddy would have been better.) It's like we gave up after Dr. King died.

Sad.

378 Nevergiveup  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 10:03:07am

re: #365 MandyManners

The first episode of The Beverly Hillbillies is on!

Just switched to it--thanks

379 redstateredneck  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 10:03:10am

re: #340 bellamags

ha. i need a drink. its my birthday Sunday (yuck) and i am starting to party tonight and it will continue over the entire weekend - esp. after reading all this.


Happy Birthday!

380 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 10:03:10am

re: #356 rexatosis

Obama is not Jimmy Carter II, he's James Buchanan II. Carter was just a painful boil on America's Arse, Buchanan was a damn near fatal cancer that caused the Civil War.

Carter let Ayatollah Khomeini take over Iran, and Arafat in the "Palestinian territories", or at least set the stage for the takeover. In the latter case, Arafat got rid of all the pragmatic rulers, guaranteeing that the Palis cannot accept the existence of Israel.

No, we're still dealing with the problems Carter left us, and now, we have someone similar to deal with them. He'll only make it worse.

381 jcm  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 10:03:12am

re: #370 gmsc

Now, Mandy, I'm not fond of the 0bama administration, either, but to refer to it that way . . .

Is deeply insulting to hillbillies.

382 x-wing  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 10:03:19am

re: #312 so.cal.swede

the sad part is that every single act of terrorism under Obamas watch, even if his actions (like these) are the direct enabler of it, will be blamed right square on Bush.

No way. Obama has been getting the same Ital. as Pres. Bush for the last 2 months. His people are in the loop.
Now he recinded these executive orders.

Obama owns the next attack

I'm hoping it doesn't happen.

but there's that word hope again. Lord help us.

383 Occasional Reader  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 10:03:21am

re: #330 Wishing

He can't delegate. He will count the rugs and let the soldiers die, put the cites of the USA at risk. But, by God, there will be NO personal expenditures for rugs.

Next up: The President becomes personally involved in managing the scheduling for the White House tennis court.

(See: Carter, Jimmy)

384 [deleted]  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 10:03:25am
385 gmsc  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 10:03:25am

re: #374 Creeping Eruption

This week I introduced my son to the Muppet Show.

You'll have to explain where "Statler" and "Waldorf" got their names.

386 yma o hyd  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 10:03:27am

re: #280 nyc redneck

rush just played a clip of the o saying he was concerned abt. people in gov't, spending money on rugs and stuff in their offices. and how he wanted to have conversations w/ them abt. such questionable spending.
hells bells, he needs to learn to prioritize.
he is upset abt. rugs? wtf? shouldn't someone else handle that.
how could he possible think, that being so hands-on, in such a petty way is appropriate.
when the world is teeming and festering.

Weelllll - that is a proper priority!
After all, once he does so all the swoonomabas can say again how he personally changed things, unlike you-know-who!
And adulation by the masses is like daily bread for PB0.

387 BigMoo  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 10:03:30am

re: #374 Creeping Eruption

I used to love those two hecklers in the balcony-lol.

388 experiencedtraveller  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 10:03:38am

re: #373 maddogg

The original, or the next one?

Both, sadly...

389 Hooray for Captain Spaulding  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 10:03:40am

re: #87 marge45b

GS cookies sales start tomorrow! I have both of my girls selling.

Are they made from REAL Girl Scouts?

390 Occasional Reader  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 10:03:43am

re: #370 gmsc

Now, Mandy, I'm not fond of the 0bama administration, either, but to refer to it that way . . .

HA!

391 debutaunt  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 10:03:44am

re: #314 Irenike

Here's my latest bumper sticker idea:

Hoping for Change in 2012

In 2010.

392 Wyatt Earp  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 10:03:45am

re: #375 jcm

What about plugs?

Paging Joe Biden.

393 Dr. Shalit  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 10:03:49am

re: #104 Kenneth

The missile strike in Pakistan is not a new policy. It's the continuation of the existing policy started by Bush. Obama kept Bush's Defense Secretary Gates, and the Commander of Central Command Gen. Petraeus.

Kenneth -

Verrry Aware this is old policy, just wondering if it will be ramped up, and the corollary of that policy is NO PRISONERS - at least not on US or "US Controlled" territory. Just like we will have "No Combat Troops" in Iraq in 16 months. 'Betcha we will still have 50-75,000 advisers and trainers though!

-S-

394 quickjustice  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 10:03:55am

Obama strategy: Declare victory in War on Terror and withdraw.

395 ThinkRight  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 10:03:56am

re: #369 brookly red

Has there been any new news about the plague deaths in the al quada camp? That one worries me.


Yeah
They didn't get their virgins LOL
/

396 MJBrutus  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 10:03:58am

re: #266 rexatosis

This is the problem of electing Obama, who has never had to make a major professional administrative or executive decision at any level, president. He just does not understand policy has consequences. He doesn't even know what his administration is going to do with the Gitmo detainees. We are so (bleeped).

It goes beyond that. He signed an EO yesterday to allow much more privileged information from past administrations (Bush) to be made available via FOIA. I see this as one step on the road that I think he will travel. It does more than merely open the door for the "petty recriminations" he admonished us about, but it is a weakening of the executive branch. I see a pattern here, and in closing GITMO and in his promises to give up other security programs as a shift of power from the Exeuctive to the Legislative branch.

I see Obama as having his sympathy and inclination lying with the branch he served in before this election. I think that under his administration we may well see the POTUS reduced to the powers of a European PM, that of being at the beck and call of the Legislature and no longer a co-equal branch of government. I expected this during the campaign and predicted that electing this man would be very close to making Pelosi the POTUS.

Be afraid, be very afraid.

397 maddogg  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 10:04:16am

re: #381 jcm

Is deeply insulting to hillbillies.

I am a hillbilly.

398 [deleted]  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 10:04:24am
399 karmic_inquisitor  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 10:04:34am

Let's all NOT forget -

This is "superior judgment" in action.

As time goes on, remind your colleagues and neighbors that he has stated over and over that he has "superior judgment."

Hubris, thy name is Obama.

400 LGoPs  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 10:04:49am

re: #323 LGoPs

Liberals are by nature micro-managers, IMO. And by focusing on the minutiae, they lose sight of the big picture and f*ck it up.......

Expanding on this penchant for micro-management a little - I think it is a reflection of the suspicious and un-trusting nature of liberals - who in reality are totalitarians at heart. They cannot ascribe any good motives to anybody because none resides in themselves. Hence the knee jerk accusations at Republican actions as being motivated by money and greed, ala Halliburton and War for Oil. These are the very motives that underlie their own thinking and they cannot think of anyone else having any other motivation. And they camouflage it all under a thin veneer of compassion and tolerance and caring....and it's all bullshit.

401 redstateredneck  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 10:04:51am

re: #365 MandyManners

The first episode of The Beverly Hillbillies is on!


Where they load up the truck and head for Beverly....Hills, that is?

402 jcm  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 10:04:52am

re: #397 maddogg

I am a hillbilly.

Mandy you owe maddogg an apology!

403 MandyManners  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 10:04:53am

re: #370 gmsc

Now, Mandy, I'm not fond of the 0bama administration, either, but to refer to it that way . . .

Granny could run this nation better than CBBHO.

404 badger1970  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 10:04:56am

re: #137 opinionated

Are we saying that by voting for the lesser of two bad choices alleviates any and all guilt by saying, "Don't blame me, I voted for McCain!"? McCain was a one issue candidate that couldn't even take a political fight to an empty-suited windbag.

There weren't any good choices in this election. Barack is going to kill us slowly and surely, there's no doubt in that and this country is going to get tanned pretty hard for the next few years. To put the blame on voters who didn't for for him or McCain is pretty much a temper tantrum.

405 Nevergiveup  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 10:05:12am

re: #380 Kosh's Shadow

Carter let Ayatollah Khomeini take over Iran, and Arafat in the "Palestinian territories", or at least set the stage for the takeover. In the latter case, Arafat got rid of all the pragmatic rulers, guaranteeing that the Palis cannot accept the existence of Israel.

No, we're still dealing with the problems Carter left us, and now, we have someone similar to deal with them. He'll only make it worse.

Well to be honest, Bush Senior kinda let that weasel Arafat back into the territories.

406 Wyatt Earp  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 10:05:18am

re: #399 karmic_inquisitor

Let's all NOT forget -

This is "superior judgment" in action.

As time goes on, remind your colleagues and neighbors that he has stated over and over that he has "superior judgment."

Hubris, thy name is Obama.

He, just made America much less safe.

407 formercorpsman  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 10:05:22am

re: #322 Opinionated

Well to be fair, and we agree, what is in the past, is in the past.

I honor McCain's service. For me, it is unquestionable. But anyone running for that ticket is under mine, your's, and every other primary voter's scrutiny. It is our right.

Recall, during the primaries, some of the stuff said by Bush senior regarding Reagan's economic plan. Voodoo IIRC.

It is just something that happens. Politics is nasty, just simply go back in history, and see what the printing press was offering during Jefferson's tenure.

The last 8 years were a grind. The media was hell bent on not providing objectivity, and determined to make a national election.

We are in a stupor. There could no other reason to elect Obama than charisma, by a majority. If you are forced to honest regarding his resume, he is a clown. In fact, echo the words of Rudy at the nomination, "A community organizer"?

I really look at this as a tide coming in, that eventually has to go out.

408 realwest  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 10:05:27am

re: #267 2MurthasRight
Excuse me, but around here he's known as John Fucking Murtha.
Earned that name by convicting the "Haditha" marines before the investigation was even complete; told the press that those Marines were guilty as hell. Of course he was wrong about that too and is in fact being sued by some of them.
That's also why former and current Marines refer to him as an Ex-Marine.

409 quickjustice  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 10:05:46am

While he was at it, why didn't he revoke every legal opinion and order since the presidency of George Washington? After all, we need a fresh start!
/sarc

410 Creeping Eruption  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 10:05:49am

re: #387 BigMoo

I used to love those two hecklers in the balcony-lol.

Statler and Waldorf.

411 MandyManners  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 10:05:53am

re: #401 redstateredneck

Where they load up the truck and head for Beverly....Hills, that is?

Swimming pools, movie stars.

412 Wyatt Earp  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 10:05:55am

re: #405 Nevergiveup

Well to be honest, Bush Senior kinda let that weasel Arafat back into the territories.

And didn't drive to Baghdad during the first Gulf War. That one always bothered me.

413 yma o hyd  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 10:06:03am

re: #298 Dianna

Remember when Carter scheduled the White House tennis courts? It's micro-management taken to absurd lengths.

Micromanagement is a hallmark of communist/neocommunist regimens.
See the UK under Tony Blair and now even more so under Gord ...

414 BigMoo  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 10:06:07am

re: #398 buzzsawmonkey

Gawd, I'm getting old-I remember Bullwinkle.

415 bellamags  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 10:06:11am

re: #379 redstateredneck

Happy Birthday!

thank you RSR.

416 karmic_inquisitor  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 10:06:11am

re: #377 anubis_soundwave

McCain would have been a patriotic (old-school) Democrat, much like President Bush was--or Reagan, for that matter. ("party left" him, remember?) I actually liked McCain, warts and all; I accepted him for what he was. He was even considerate enough to have his replacement lined up for us--addressing conservative concerns.(Though it was rotten how he allowed his staff to beat up on her post-election....)

This man...this President Obama...!

It will be a long four years.

Honestly, if we as a country needed a black Democrat PotUS that badly, an accomplished and capable gentleman named Earvin Johnson was available. (One of many black Americans to endorse the NO-ONE who was more qualified for the job of PotUS.)

A. Long. Four. Years.... I have the Countdown Clock bookmarked at home.

As an American, I shake my head. As one of African descent...my "race" had better. (Hell, even dumb old P. Diddy would have been better.) It's like we gave up after Dr. King died.

Sad.

Great post. Updings a plenty.

417 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 10:06:28am

Here's the problems I'm seeing right now, correct me if I'm wrong:

1) Conservatives have absolutely NO motivation to get out the vote, because there is no one worth voting FOR. No one listens to our ideals and principles; no one stands up for our rights against the ever-expanding federal government. Instead, the Republican leadership keeps blindly repeating its mistakes, hoping for a different result.

2) With the success of the misinformation and propaganda campaign run by the MSM over the last eight years, public sentiment is firmly turned against President Bush and his mostly successful foreign policy decisions. When something catastrophic strikes the United States, the propaganda machine will not have much resistance in declaring it an artifact of the eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeevil Bushitler administration, thus perpetuating the liberals' own power cycle.

If you combine these two factoids, I sense that more serious action may need to be taken in order to break the spell of big-government, touchy-feely-hopey-changey policy that has held sway in Washington since, well, before I was even born.

418 J.S.  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 10:06:29am

re: #369 brookly red

Not to my knowledge -- however, I would say that bubonic plague is not really a threat, per se...(it's not a big one in terms of weaponizing biological agents...)

419 Charles Johnson  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 10:06:31am

re: #369 brookly red

Has there been any new news about the plague deaths in the al quada camp? That one worries me.

That story does not have much credibility - the sources are Russians and British tabloids. That's why I haven't posted about it - I don't really believe it.

420 Kaymad  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 10:06:55am

re: #376 Tigger2005

Maybe you can give examples of conservatives wanting a theocracy? Links will do fine, Thanks.

421 OldLineTexan  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 10:07:00am

re: #404 badger1970

Are we saying that by voting for the lesser of two bad choices alleviates any and all guilt by saying, "Don't blame me, I voted for McCain!"? McCain was a one issue candidate that couldn't even take a political fight to an empty-suited windbag.

There weren't any good choices in this election. Barack is going to kill us slowly and surely, there's no doubt in that and this country is going to get tanned pretty hard for the next few years. To put the blame on voters who didn't for for him or McCain is pretty much a temper tantrum.

People who didn't vote can shut up.

422 Nevergiveup  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 10:07:04am

re: #411 MandyManners

Swimming pools, movie stars.

That's cement swimming holes.

423 gmsc  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 10:07:19am

re: #401 redstateredneck

Where they load up the truck and head for Beverly....Hills, that is?

Youtube Video
424 Kenneth  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 10:07:29am

re: #393 Dr. Shalit

I don't see anything that suggests the drone operations over Pakistan have been ramped up since Obama was sworn in. The activity did ramp up beginning about 6 months ago as US commanders figured they had only so much time to hit them before Obama shut them down. We will see what Obama does about it over the next few days. If he orders Petraeus to cool it, the Afghanistan is good as lost.

425 Nevergiveup  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 10:07:38am

re: #412 Wyatt Earp

And didn't drive to Baghdad during the first Gulf War. That one always bothered me.

Well on that one he had help from that rocket scientist Powell.

426 Pullus Iulius  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 10:07:47am

When this thing blows up, a lot of the wrong people are going to get killed.

427 saberry0530  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 10:07:52am

re: #414 BigMoo

Gawd, I'm getting old-I remember Bullwinkle.

better?

428 experiencedtraveller  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 10:07:53am

re: #412 Wyatt Earp

And didn't drive to Baghdad during the first Gulf War. That one always bothered me.

Must be prudent...

/Channeling Dana Carvey

429 jcm  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 10:07:57am

re: #419 Charles

That story does not have much credibility - the sources are Russians and British tabloids. That's why I haven't posted about it - I don't really believe it.

The bugs in the story about bugs, bugs you?

430 Dr. Shalit  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 10:08:01am

re: #320 buzzsawmonkey

Oh, I can imagine Obama greeting the Israeli heads of state or their representatives in Hebrew: "Shalom, chazerim!"* There's only one letter of difference between that and "chaverim,"** after all.

++++++++++ ++++++++

*"chazerim" = "pigs"

**"chaverim" = "friends, brothers"

buzz -

Kinda, sorta like "I am a Cream Doughnut" multiplied several magnitudes.

-S-

431 BigMoo  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 10:08:14am

re: #427 saberry0530

Tragic, but true ! lol

432 doppelganglander  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 10:08:16am

re: #340 bellamags

ha. i need a drink. its my birthday Sunday (yuck) and i am starting to party tonight and it will continue over the entire weekend - esp. after reading all this.

I would love to drive down and join you. But it's my daughter's last weekend before she goes to Italy for the semester and I think she'd be upset if I blew it off.

433 filetandrelease  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 10:08:19am
It also requires the fulfillment and respect of treaties and dealing kindly with the captivate as well as the protection of civilians’ rights.

This line was cut from the letter to Obama. Maybe Obama should ask the Israel solders who have been captured by Islamist groups how they were treated? What? there are none alive? OK then, lets ask the civilians in Gaza how the same groups treated them last month. What? The civilians left alive won't talk out of fear of death or worse?

I love tequila. I hope Obama does too because he is just took a shot. And that is just one line, the whole thing is riddled with .... tequila.

434 redstateredneck  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 10:08:23am

re: #415 bellamags

thank you RSR.

Since I may not see you Sunday. Enjoy.

435 faraway  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 10:08:34am

Obama, killer of babies, rescuer of terrorists.

436 Sunlight  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 10:08:42am

re: #333 Kosh's Shadow

Remind them that to Iran, the US is the "Great Satan"; Israel is only the "Little Satan". They can't feel safe in the US if Iran has nukes.

The point is, I'm unclear that these people care enough to worry about their own safety. Or they think we deserve the punishment for being so pushy in the world (that's how they see it rather than seeing it as opening production and markets so people can earn a living - and if you go into a non-developed country and leave things their way in business, then nothing will change and the effort will fail. To succeed, the countries' citizens would need to be willing to do things the way that has been shown to work in $thriving countries).

437 Taqiyyotomist  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 10:08:49am

re: #417 thedopefishlives

I sense that tfk is right, moreso each day.
A two-party evil money cult.

438 Nevergiveup  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 10:08:53am

re: #419 Charles

That story does not have much credibility - the sources are Russians and British tabloids. That's why I haven't posted about it - I don't really believe it.

Well I can't still really believe Obama is President but......ah never mind.

439 Wyatt Earp  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 10:08:56am

re: #435 faraway

Obama, killer of babies, rescuer of terrorists.

Scourge of conservatism.

440 realwest  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 10:09:04am

re: #368 Wyatt Earp
Howdy Wyatt - you may be right; but the record still stands: George W. Bush NO ATTACKS ON US IN SEVEN STRAIGHT YEARS. And 9/11 was planned by murderers during the Clinton administration.
There is no way the MSM can spin that: NO ATTACKS ON THE US AFTER 9/11 While Bush was President.

I'd like to hope, and I do pray, that there are no further attacks on the US under Obama - but I have very little hope (and pray harder each day that he is President) that will be true.

441 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 10:09:08am

re: #403 MandyManners

Granny could run this nation better than CBBHO.

So could Jethro.

442 ThinkRight  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 10:09:21am

re: #435 faraway

Obama, killer of babies, rescuer of terrorists.


And you have a problem with that ?
/

443 karmic_inquisitor  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 10:09:21am

re: #429 jcm

The bugs in the story about bugs, bugs you?

You are an entomological etymologist.

444 OldLineTexan  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 10:09:26am

re: #425 Nevergiveup

Well on that one he had help from that rocket scientist Powell.

Don't forget "world consensus". "World consensus" was a big deal during the first Gulf War. "World consensus" brought us UN dithering and theft amd Gulf War Two.

"World consensus" sucked at Versailles in 1918, and it's the same now.

445 wolfie  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 10:09:33am

re: #371 ceemack

And Obama is already showing his incompetence. He announced that Guantanamo would be closed, and then announced a study to find the best way to deal with the detainees at Guantanamo.

Seems to me a man who was as smart as Zero's supporters think he is would have done the study first, then closed Guantanamo when (and if) a workable alternative was available.

Golly! That there sounds half-smart!

446 shanec99  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 10:09:39am

re: #412 Wyatt Earp

And didn't drive to Baghdad during the first Gulf War. That one always bothered me.


Bush Senior did right in the Gulf War, we did what we were there for, to liberate Kuwait... nothing more. He understood the threat, proscecuted the war and left after he realized the objective.

447 Kenneth  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 10:10:05am

Quick somebody run and check... have the oceans started to recede yet? It's been 3 whole days!

448 BigMoo  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 10:10:07am

I think y'all just need to wrap yourselves in a big fluffy blanket of hopenchange...the world likes us again, so what could possibly go wrong ?

449 VioletTiger  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 10:10:11am

The things that will piss me off the most about Obama will be the things he does in the name of our global popularity.

I travel all over the world in my current assignment, frequently with my closet-moonbat boss, who doesn't want to admit he's a liberal working for one of the most conservative companies on the planet. His most annoying habit--asking the America-haters why they hate us. 'They hate us' is his favorite wine. I tell him I don't give a rat's ass, but he insists on hearing their thoughts.

Any LGFer can tell you why they hate us. They hate our prosperity and our freedom. They think our success is the reason for their failure. No amount of aide will passify them. They want us to hurt ourselves to benefit them. They won't like us until we are diminished and irrelevant. Anybody who thinks we can appease the America haters is naive beyond belief. That our president is so naive is sad beyond belief.

450 [deleted]  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 10:10:30am
451 formercorpsman  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 10:10:42am

re: #412 Wyatt Earp

Democrat congress held his feet to the U.N. fire.

Trust me, being a part of the service during that, everyone wanted to.

452 Wyatt Earp  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 10:10:54am

re: #440 realwest

Howdy Wyatt - you may be right; but the record still stands: George W. Bush NO ATTACKS ON US IN SEVEN STRAIGHT YEARS. And 9/11 was planned by murderers during the Clinton administration.
There is no way the MSM can spin that: NO ATTACKS ON THE US AFTER 9/11 While Bush was President.

I'd like to hope, and I do pray, that there are no further attacks on the US under Obama - but I have very little hope (and pray harder each day that he is President) that will be true.

I hope we don't see an attack, but if we do, we cannot blame Bush for it. If nothing else, he kept us safe. And isn't that really job #1?

453 ArmyWife  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 10:11:05am

re: #296 MandyManners

Letter sent to the NFL. Pissed off Army Wives are never a good thing.

454 vagabond trader  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 10:11:08am

Does anyone believe that the posturing on ramping up attacks in Pakistan and beefing up troop presence in Afghanistan was a load of rubbish?

455 jorline  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 10:11:08am

Transparency off on the wrong foot.

Obama press aide gets bashed in debut


The White House press operation got off to a fumbling and stumbling start Thursday, with the day's opening briefers insisting on being identified only as "senior administration officials," followed swiftly by the new president's spokesman accidently outing one of the secret aides less than two minutes into his first White House briefing.

Although President Obama swept into office pledging transparency and a new air of openness, the press hammered spokesman Robert Gibbs for nearly an hour over a slate of perceived secretive slights that have piled up quickly for the new administration. It wasn't pretty.

"How is it transparent," another reporter asked, "when you control the only image of the re-swearing - there's nobody in there but four print reporters, there's no stills, there's no television? And the only recording that comes out, as I understand it, is one that a reporter made, not one that the White House supplied."

This administration is starting deep in it's own territory...looking at the first few days it appears they will be punting a lot.

456 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 10:11:10am

re: #422 Nevergiveup

That's cement swimming holes.

Ceee-ment pond.

457 Guanxi88  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 10:11:11am

re: #441 Kosh's Shadow

So could Jethro.

True, he ad least aspired to be a Double-Aught agent.

458 Nadnerb  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 10:11:14am

re: #155 Creeping Eruption

Anaheim is most certainly NOT fascist lib country-at least not most of it. Of course you have Little Gaza there, but Orange County remains a fairly level headed place for now....(just stay away from UCI)

459 badger1970  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 10:11:44am

re: #278 gmsc

"Are you ready for some football?" I guess not. The game is more symbolism over substance. The NFL has got some explaining to do (on top of their thug, drugs, alcohol, steroid, strippers and discrimination issues). I'm sure this decision will get reversed and next year's game won't even bother with the color guard.

460 bulwrk  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 10:11:44am

re: #422 Nevergiveup

Cement pond

461 Wyatt Earp  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 10:11:48am

re: #446 shanec99

Bush Senior did right in the Gulf War, we did what we were there for, to liberate Kuwait... nothing more. He understood the threat, proscecuted the war and left after he realized the objective.


It's 20/20 hindsight on my part, but I realize why it was done.

462 OldLineTexan  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 10:12:17am

re: #446 shanec99

Bush Senior did right in the Gulf War, we did what we were there for, to liberate Kuwait... nothing more. He understood the threat, proscecuted the war and left after he realized the objective.

Sorry, we should have looked at the Arab world and asked "Who do you think is next?"

Then bought oil from the winning tick.

Maybe put a naval task force out there. No troops, no air, no invasion.

I was against it then, but we are stuck with the logical conclusion of it now, with the added problems caused by the myth of "limited warfare".

463 gmsc  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 10:12:28am

re: #459 badger1970

"Are you ready for some football?" I guess not. The game is more symbolism over substance. The NFL has got some explaining to do (on top of their thug, drugs, alcohol, steroid, strippers and discrimination issues). I'm sure this decision will get reversed and next year's game won't even bother with the color guard.

re: #357 gmsc

Just a second on the Super Bowl thing . . .

“The members of the Color Guard have always been our guests at a Super Bowl party in a compound on the stadium grounds where they watch the game on big-screen TVs and enjoy food and beverage,” NFL spokesman Greg Aiello told us via e-mail. “That is how we have done it every year.”

464 MJBrutus  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 10:12:30am

re: #446 shanec99

Bush Senior did right in the Gulf War, we did what we were there for, to liberate Kuwait... nothing more. He understood the threat, proscecuted the war and left after he realized the objective.

I can't agree. I understand why he made the decision though. Bush 41 did not think that he could hold our coalition (especially among the Arab nations) together if we pursued any further goals. I disagreed with the call then and now, on the basis that "containing" Saddam was a dangerous and wrong move.

465 Kenneth  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 10:12:34am

No that's odd... these people are delighted with Obama's order to close Gitmo, but they don't seem to like America any better.

466 see bs  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 10:12:36am

WTF... When will the left realize the Geneva Convention does not and should not apply to terrorists...

467 Nevergiveup  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 10:12:45am

re: #460 bulwrk

Cement pond

I stand corrected

468 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 10:12:46am

re: #437 Taqiyyotomist

I sense that tfk is right, moreso each day.
A two-party evil money cult.

I wouldn't say we have two whole parties any more.
One and a half? One and a quarter?

469 maddogg  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 10:12:48am

re: #449 VioletTiger

Also, we like our women and don't attempt to imprison them mentally or physically.

470 mattm  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 10:12:56am

re: #21 godfrey

How many people are going to die because of this guy's sanctimonious stupidity?

One is too many.

471 x-wing  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 10:13:28am

re: #421 OldLineTexan

People who didn't vote can shut up.


I'll second that.

472 formercorpsman  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 10:13:35am

re: #449 VioletTiger

up ding infinity.

473 Kenneth  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 10:13:44am

re: #450 Iron Fist

MAD is not a deterrent to Ahmadinejad or Osama bin Laden, it's an inducement.

474 JacksonTn  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 10:13:47am

re: #466 see bs

WTF... When will the left realize the Geneva Convention does not and should not apply to terrorists...

When they kill one of their children ...sorry to sound so harsh but I feel for some that is what it would take ...I hope it does not happen ...

475 Wyatt Earp  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 10:13:48am

re: #471 x-wing

I'll second that.

Third-ed!

476 ArmyWife  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 10:13:49am

re: #357 gmsc

And if the folks who have received the rare opportunity to present the Colors during the National Anthem prior to a Super Bowl don’t want to do it if they can’t then assume a seat in the front row at the 50, we’ve got a feeling that there are more than a few members of our armed forces who realize that this specific assignment is far more valuable than a chance to attend the game itself as one of 66,000 spectators.

I find this statement unnecessarily snotty and arrogant. For the record, these Marines have a much higher place of honor than Bruce Springsteen should EVER have.

477 Sunlight  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 10:13:53am

re: #359 Taqiyyotomist

Really. Why won't Rush and a hundred other conservatives with deep pockets bankroll a large, USA-Today sized print paper, nationwide distribution. Reuters and AP stories could still be in the paper, we use 'em here...just append a fisking when needed, which isn't always...
There is no shortage of good writers in the Conservative blogosphere; in fact, that would be my choice for the entirety of the writing staff, with a few print columnists writing actual news copy as well, since Mike Adams, Malkin, D. Limbaugh, and a few dozen others tend to write less bias and more fact in their Editorials than most print newspapers do in their News stories.

Only problem, you'd have to post an armed guard next to every quarter-fed newspaper box in the nation, since Legions of Liberals would automatically, according to their well-crafted fascist programming, attempt to deface, defile, destroy, and, yes, even defecate on the newspaper boxes. That would actually be the BIGGEST HURDLE in the entire plan...keeping the newspaper boxes free from real, actual moonbat guano.

I agree with you! I've been saying this re PJ media, etc. for more than a year. But I'm thinking a service where you can put a printer by your coffee pot and have it print up your paper for the breakfast table or commute... Or maybe the Kindle like Charles got recently if you don't want to print it. Or an enterprising newsprint plant could print your custom newspaper and throw it into the driveway.

478 J.S.  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 10:13:55am

re: #454 vagabond trader

Well, I don't know if it's all about "posturing" -- Obama did send off a couple of missiles into Pakistan (wait, I forgot, it's Pah-kee-stahn). Pakistan is now stating that their sovereignty has been violated, and they've issued a protest.

479 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 10:14:05am

re: #448 BigMoo

I think y'all just need to wrap yourselves in a big fluffy blanket of hopenchange...the world likes us again, so what could possibly go wrong ?

Go wrong. Go wrong. Go wrong......

480 brookly red  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 10:14:12am

re: #419 Charles

Thank you, I feel some what better now.

481 MJBrutus  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 10:14:31am

re: #466 see bs

WTF... When will the left realize the Geneva Convention does not and should not apply to terrorists...

The problem is that they do not understand and/or value the concept of US citizenship. They want to grant not just the GC protections to these filth, but the rights of citizens to them!

482 jcm  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 10:14:40am

re: #466 see bs

WTF... When will the left realize the Geneva Convention does not and should not apply to terrorists...

Never.

483 gmsc  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 10:14:50am

re: #459 badger1970

"Are you ready for some football?" I guess not. The game is more symbolism over substance. The NFL has got some explaining to do (on top of their thug, drugs, alcohol, steroid, strippers and discrimination issues). I'm sure this decision will get reversed and next year's game won't even bother with the color guard.

Oh, BTW, not only are they being escorted the same NFL-paid Super Bowl party they've attended every year since 9/11/01, but this year, there's a new feature - a military waiver allowing 2 beers per service member!

(It's always been "near beer" before.)

484 RaiderDan  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 10:14:56am

Well, this was predictable as the sun rising in the East. Obama throws the Beltway elite pundits and the International Left a giant bone by surrendering our advantages in the War on Terror, (and no, "scare quotes" around war or terror. I wouldn't be surprised if Obama gets the Nobel Peace prize just for doing so. (shudder)


Will the famous photo of Obama closing Gitmo become as infamous as Chamberlain waving that white paper declaring "peace for our time?"


God help us now. Obama just doubled down on stupid.

485 BigMoo  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 10:15:05am

re: #472 formercorpsman

Copy that-great post.

486 saltmarsh  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 10:15:09am

:What are we doing in Washington, Yogi?

:We're here for the ceremony, Boo Boo.

:I thought that took place on Tuesday, Yogi.

:No Boo Boo, this is the BIG ceremony after the little ceremony. They're changing the city's name from Washington to Fuck-up Central.

:Well Obama did promise change, Yogi.

:Just be glad he isn't a muslim, Boo Boo.

/Algonquin J. Calhoun can destroy a democracy and not even break a sweat, how cool is that?

487 Marvo76  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 10:15:12am

re: #141 unreconstructed rebel

That just increased his fuck-up quotient by 50%

Think of what new lows he can reach in the next four years (shudder)

488 bellamags  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 10:15:15am

re: #432 doppelganglander

I would love to drive down and join you. But it's my daughter's last weekend before she goes to Italy for the semester and I think she'd be upset if I blew it off.

that would be totally cool. ; ) thanks for the thought. And on that note, I won't be able to come to the meet-up. My sis is coming to town.

489 badger1970  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 10:15:23am

re: #421 OldLineTexan

I agree but I was referring to the people who did vote but voted third party.

490 shanec99  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 10:15:49am

re: #449 VioletTiger
They hate us because we oppose everything they stand for.
They stand for:
Slavery
FGM
Stoning women
Honor killings
The destruction of Israel
An end to Democracy and the implementation of Sharia
Little 9 yo girls being forced into marraige with middle aged men
Polygamy

All these things, that they hold dear... we oppose, so they hate us.

491 OldLineTexan  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 10:16:13am

re: #489 badger1970

I agree but I was referring to the people who did vote but voted third party.

OK, I had some difficulty parsing the last sentence.

492 jorline  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 10:16:23am

Clue to the Obama administration and Algore...look what ranks dead last on the priority list.

493 realwest  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 10:17:03am

re: #340 bellamags
Hey there - Happy Birthday and many, many more!

494 [deleted]  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 10:17:40am
495 vagabond trader  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 10:17:48am

re: #478 J.S.

We'll see. Remember, BJ Clinton lobbed missles at an aspirin factory. I wouldn't trust The Obama to tell me what time it is.

496 tackle  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 10:18:01am

re: #449 VioletTiger

If we are hated so much, why are millions clawing (or sneaking through) the immigration door? The idea that we are hated is not necessarily a myth, but it is an idea perpetuated by those who don't share our ideals. There are plenty of people around the world who do share them and would give anything for the chance to live here.

497 jcm  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 10:18:26am

re: #490 shanec99

They hate us because we oppose everything they stand for.
They stand for:
Slavery
FGM
Stoning women
Honor killings
The destruction of Israel
An end to Democracy and the implementation of Sharia
Little 9 yo girls being forced into marraige with middle aged men
Polygamy

All these things, that they hold dear... we oppose, so they hate us.

It's even simpler.
We believe in liberty, the sovereign individual.
The jihadis believe in servitude, the individual controlled by religion.
The leftists believe in servitude, the individual controlled by the state.

Hence the alliances.

498 frred  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 10:18:29am

What is Tom Arnold doing standing in front of the podium at the press conference?

499 Nevergiveup  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 10:18:32am

re: #495 vagabond trader

We'll see. Remember, BJ Clinton lobbed missles at an aspirin factory. I wouldn't trust The Obama to tell me what time it is.

That is what the secret service if for?
/

500 A Man for all Seasons  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 10:18:38am

re: #340 bellamags

ha. i need a drink. its my birthday Sunday (yuck) and i am starting to party tonight and it will continue over the entire weekend - esp. after reading all this.

{Bella} Happy Birthday to you!
Happy Birthday to you
Happy Birthday dear Bellamags
Happy Birthday to you!

501 redstateredneck  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 10:18:46am

re: #492 jorline

Clue to the Obama administration and Algore...look what ranks dead last on the priority list.


A change of -5 from the previous year.

502 badger1970  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 10:18:52am

re: #483 gmsc

Heaven forbid that our brave men and women might actually enjoy themselves. Two bears for a 4-hour game and 5 hour pregame. This puts a new meaning in milking.

503 Bloodnok  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 10:19:13am

re: #340 bellamags

ha. i need a drink. its my birthday Sunday (yuck) and i am starting to party tonight and it will continue over the entire weekend - esp. after reading all this.

Hey! Happy Birthday!

504 mattm  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 10:19:20am

re: #492 jorline

Clue to the Obama administration and Algore...look what ranks dead last on the priority list.

re: #497 jcm

It's even simpler.
We believe in liberty, the sovereign individual.
The jihadis believe in servitude, the individual controlled by religion.
The leftists believe in servitude, the individual controlled by the state.

Hence the alliances.

So easy I libtard could understand it, if they would open their mind.

505 Sleepyone  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 10:19:28am

re: #78 MandyManners

I hope all who didn't vote for McCain because he wasn't conservative enough are fucking happy now.

Spot on Mandy!

506 [deleted]  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 10:19:33am
507 BigMoo  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 10:19:42am

re: #479 Kosh's Shadow

I was told a LONG time ago that hope is NOT a strategy. Obviously, this Administration has no clear sense of strategy-beyond 'like us' and 'rely on us'. One of the top ten rules of leadsership is that you often WON'T be liked when you are truly leading-Bush understood this.

508 bellamags  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 10:19:42am

re: #493 realwest

Hey there - Happy Birthday and many, many more!

thanks RW! hope you are doin' good.

509 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 10:19:46am

re: #421 OldLineTexan

I didn't vote and I have no intention of shutting up. If you voted for McCain do you really have the right to complain about this? McCain's platform also included an end to aggressive interrogation/waterboarding/"torture"....

Rudolph W. Giuliani’s statement on Wednesday that he was uncertain whether waterboarding, a simulated drowning technique, was torture drew a sharp rebuke yesterday from Senator John McCain, who said that his failure to call it torture reflected his inexperience.

McCain also pledged to close Gitmo. There is nothing different happening now that wouldn't be happening under McCain. I find the righteous outrage on this from McCain supporters disingenuous.

510 MJBrutus  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 10:19:54am

re: #449 VioletTiger

The things that will piss me off the most about Obama will be the things he does in the name of our global popularity.

I travel all over the world in my current assignment, frequently with my closet-moonbat boss, who doesn't want to admit he's a liberal working for one of the most conservative companies on the planet. His most annoying habit--asking the America-haters why they hate us. 'They hate us' is his favorite wine. I tell him I don't give a rat's ass, but he insists on hearing their thoughts.

Any LGFer can tell you why they hate us. They hate our prosperity and our freedom. They think our success is the reason for their failure. No amount of aide will passify them. They want us to hurt ourselves to benefit them. They won't like us until we are diminished and irrelevant. Anybody who thinks we can appease the America haters is naive beyond belief. That our president is so naive is sad beyond belief.

You make some good points. I would add, that they hate us because our greatness reminds them of their own inadequacy. The Eurpoeans were powerless to prevent or halt the genocide in Yugo (in their own back yards) during the Clintoon years, and we had to do their dirty work. So it's been for over a century. They've relied on us to keep them safe from Commies and all the other threats that they have been unwilling and unable to defend against themselves. And they resent us for their very reliance on us.

511 nikis-knight  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 10:20:02am

Can we increment the doomsday clock an hour or so, or is that just a liberal, pro US, unilateral disarmament toy?

512 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 10:20:18am

re: #498 frred

What is Tom Arnold doing standing in front of the podium at the press conference?

What press conference, what podium, please link or reference you comments to something. We are not mind readers.

513 yma o hyd  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 10:20:48am

re: #417 thedopefishlives

Its time to let the younger generation take over.
In the USA, you have the chance for change (sorry ...) within two years already. You've got to start campaigning right now - just as PB0 ahs done.

The MFM will ridicule the younger ones, but they will resonate with the people.
We've had a 'change of guards', if you wish, in the Tory party, and after the first howls of derision (What have they ever done? Can they stand up to the experienced Gord?) its now pretty clear that yes they can - they have a ten-point lead over NuLab, and Dave Cameron is wiping the floor with Gord on a weekly basis.
So - get cracking, start now! You're only lost if you give up and think there is no alternative.
There is - look for it!

514 brookly red  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 10:21:06am

re: #494 Iron Fist
Thanks for the feed back, the bio stuff concerns me.

515 Taqiyyotomist  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 10:21:21am

When there are mass graves being filled in America, is

"We were all busy actually doing real work, at real jobs, to protest. Unlike every single leftist, since they are all jobless and the only thing every leftist does is protest, because moonbats don't work, and they don't have kids, and if they do, they don't watch them."


going to fly?

How many stories about "a moonbat I talk to at work" do I see, everywhere on the blogosphere? Hell, how many moonbats have I worked with?

They find the time, or make it. For petty shit. But nope, conservatives do much more important things with all their time, always. And they don't have any of that "free time" that Liberals all have lots and lots of.

516 doppelganglander  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 10:21:29am

re: #488 bellamags

that would be totally cool. ; ) thanks for the thought. And on that note, I won't be able to come to the meet-up. My sis is coming to town.

I'm not sure the meet-up is even happening. Have a great time with your sister. Maybe I'll make it down in the spring.

517 Nevergiveup  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 10:21:31am

re: #512 Walter L. Newton

What press conference, what podium, please link or reference you comments to something. We are not mind readers.

he means the new Press Secretary looks a little like Arnold

518 _RememberTonyC  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 10:21:42am

The PA knows how to treat islamists:

[Link: www.jpost.com...]

519 [deleted]  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 10:21:47am
520 A Man for all Seasons  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 10:21:57am

re: #511 nikis-knight

Can we increment the doomsday clock an hour or so, or is that just a liberal, pro US, unilateral disarmament toy?

The reason the doomesday clock is always 5 minutes to midnight Is because the genius scientists that created it haven't bought batteries for it for 30 years.. psss. Don't tell em.

521 Kenneth  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 10:22:00am

Obama's folly,

The New York Times recently offered the sort of thoughtlessness sunny picture of the Obama administration’s security policy that lulls children to sleep but leaves adults restlessly wakeful. In a front-page story on December 1, “A Handpicked Team for a Foreign Policy Shift” by David Sanger, the Times reported that the new administration’s key national security policy appointees...

...were selected in large part because they have embraced a sweeping shift of resources in the national security arena.

The shift, which would come partly out of the military’s huge budget, would create a greatly expanded corps of diplomats and aid workers that, in the vision of the coming Obama administration, would be engaged in projects around the world aimed at preventing conflicts and rebuilding failed states.

Whether they can make the change…”will be the great foreign policy experiment of the Obama presidency,” one of his senior advisors said recently.

In the best Christmas spirit of my old friend Mr. Scrooge, I will spoil the story by spilling the ending up front. The “great foreign policy experiment” will fail.

It will fail for two reasons, one practical and one theoretical. The practical reason is that, no matter how much money you give them, our State Department and other civilian agencies cannot produce a product.

The second reason the great experiment will fail is that it represents a failure in strategic theory. In effect, it says that the Bush administration’s debacle was a result of not of mistaken ends, only of mistaken means.

America will start to endeavor to govern the world, “preventing conflicts and rebuilding failed states.” We will insert ourselves everywhere, exporting “democracy” and “human rights,” aka Brave New World. We will re-make other societies in our own image, whether they want us to or not (no one does). This time, it will work, because instead of Marines, we will storm the beaches with brave State Department lads, armored with blue suits and armed with briefing papers and bottles of sherry.

522 jorline  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 10:22:04am

re: #511 nikis-knight

Can we increment the doomsday clock an hour or so, or is that just a liberal, pro US, unilateral disarmament toy?

nikis...you can't use the words liberal and pro US in the same sentence.
//

523 vapig  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 10:22:05am

re: #376 Tigger2005

Far too many conservatives have bought into the belief that all our problems can be solved by criminalizing all abortions, posting the Ten Commandments in school hallways, teaching creationism in science classrooms, and having teacher-led Bible study and prayer. They will take to the streets to support a theocracy before they'll take to the streets to defend rational thinking and common sense.

As a Christian conservative I find that so offensive I don't even know where to begin. But do go ahead and paint us all with that broad brush of yours!

Here's a little hope and change for ya - what we get excited about is adhering to the Constitution, the principles of the Founding Father's and personal liberty.

524 Basho  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 10:22:11am

re: #509 Killgore Trout


McCain also pledged to close Gitmo. There is nothing different happening now that wouldn't be happening under McCain. I find the righteous outrage on this from McCain supporters disingenuous.

Tell me about it...

525 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 10:22:23am

re: #507 BigMoo

I was told a LONG time ago that hope is NOT a strategy. Obviously, this Administration has no clear sense of strategy-beyond 'like us' and 'rely on us'. One of the top ten rules of leadsership is that you often WON'T be liked when you are truly leading-Bush understood this.

479 was a Westworld reference. (Which kids today won't get, since it relied on a common failure mode of vinyl records)

526 J.S.  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 10:22:32am

re: #506 buzzsawmonkey

Might also note that up here in Canada, I suspect that a lot of Islamic fundamentalists are flocking here because they know that the countries from which they're fleeing wouldn't put up with their militant jihadism for one second. Here in the West, they're much more free to pursue their warped "goals" without fear of any dictatorial government suddenly rounding them up...

527 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 10:22:37am

re: #517 Nevergiveup

he means the new Press Secretary looks a little like Arnold

What press conference is he talking about though? What picture did he see.

528 vapig  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 10:23:07am

re: #466 see bs

WTF... When will the left realize the Geneva Convention does not and should not apply to terrorists...

When will you realize they don't care?

529 [deleted]  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 10:23:10am
530 Nevergiveup  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 10:23:15am

re: #518 _RememberTonyC

The PA knows how to treat islamists:

[Link: www.jpost.com...]

Sure and it's not like Fatah is brave enough to fight it's own fights. Well unless it's against innocent Jewish women and children.

531 opnion  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 10:23:23am

re: #490 shanec99

They hate us because we oppose everything they stand for.
They stand for:
Slavery
FGM
Stoning women
Honor killings
The destruction of Israel
An end to Democracy and the implementation of Sharia
Little 9 yo girls being forced into marraige with middle aged men
Polygamy

All these things, that they hold dear... we oppose, so they hate us.


A big reason that they hate us are Hollywood movies & yje Hollywood culture. They say so, they say that it proves our depravity, yet the Hollywood types defend them every time.

532 Marvo76  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 10:23:51am

re: #251 x-wing

The irony is un-believable. The people who are the biggest Obama supporters are the one's who will most likely get hit in the next attack.

Won't that put some clorine into the gene pool?///

533 kansas  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 10:23:51am

Is BO gonna do anything for this country? Or just try to fuck us?

534 vagabond trader  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 10:24:35am

re: #519 buzzsawmonkey

How long do you think we'll have those nukes? Wondering what the process would be for unilateral nuke disarmament here in the USA.

535 MJBrutus  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 10:24:38am

re: #523 vapig

As a Christian conservative I find that so offensive I don't even know where to begin. But do go ahead and paint us all with that broad brush of yours!

Here's a little hope and change for ya - what we get excited about is adhering to the Constitution, the principles of the Founding Father's and personal liberty.

Kudos from a secular Conservative who is proud to stand next to you :-)

536 Nevergiveup  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 10:24:40am

re: #527 Walter L. Newton

What press conference is he talking about though? What picture did he see.

The first White House Press Conference yesterday afternoon.

537 jcm  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 10:24:48am

Doomsday clock....

On January 17, 2007, the Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists moved the minute hand of the Doomsday Clock two minutes closer to midnight. It is now 5 minutes to midnight. Reflecting global failures to solve the problems posed by nuclear weapons and the climate crisis, the decision by the Bulletin's Board of Directors was made in consultation with the Bulletin's Board of Sponsors, which includes 18 Nobel Laureates.

Let's see how long it takes them to move it to 15 minutes to midnight because of BHO.

538 Sunlight  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 10:25:00am

re: #449 VioletTiger


...
Any LGFer can tell you why they hate us. They hate our prosperity and our freedom. They think our success is the reason for their failure. No amount of aide will passify them. They want us to hurt ourselves to benefit them. They won't like us until we are diminished and irrelevant. Anybody who thinks we can appease the America haters is naive beyond belief. That our president is so naive is sad beyond belief.

They want us to hurt ourselves, even if it harms them, just to make themselves feel better. Starvation is on the way.

539 formercorpsman  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 10:25:11am

re: #509 Killgore Trout

I will introduce one caveat Killgore.

I voted for McCain, more so out of duty than support.

It would seem to me, one major difference as it relates to inherent difference, is that McCain was a supporter of the broader war on terror.

Certain spots around the world, Libya for instance, under Bush offered up clandestine programs without provocation. Now he feels comfortable enough to play match maker for the NYT.

But, you are correct, this aspect of gitmo, not much difference.

540 Taqiyyotomist  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 10:25:13am

re: #533 kansas

Is BO gonna do anything for this country? Or just try to fuck us?

What do you mean, "try"? Can't you feel that? I mean, OW!, man.

541 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 10:25:23am

re: #536 Nevergiveup

The first White House Press Conference yesterday afternoon.

Thanks.

542 VioletTiger  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 10:25:40am

re: #510 MJBrutus

You make some good points. I would add, that they hate us because our greatness reminds them of their own inadequacy. The Eurpoeans were powerless to prevent or halt the genocide in Yugo (in their own back yards) during the Clintoon years, and we had to do their dirty work. So it's been for over a century. They've relied on us to keep them safe from Commies and all the other threats that they have been unwilling and unable to defend against themselves. And they resent us for their very reliance on us.


You are so right.
One guy from Indonesia went on forever about how they hate the success of our farms and how they hate having to get their grain from us and be at the mercy of the market here. He wanted us to stop being so good at farming. I suggested maybe his wealthy company could help their citizens be better farmers instead of building huge office buildings. crickets.........

543 kansas  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 10:26:12am

re: #540 Taqiyyotomist

What do you mean, "try"? Can't you feel that? I mean, OW!, man.

My bad.

544 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 10:26:25am

re: #537 jcm

Doomsday clock....

Let's see how long it takes them to move it to 15 minutes to midnight because of BHO.

Why would they move it further away from midnight when it is currently at 5 minutes?

545 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 10:26:25am

re: #537 jcm

Doomsday clock....

Let's see how long it takes them to move it to 15 minutes to midnight because of BHO.

They're probably going to start by moving it in the wrong direction. They think the 0ne is reducing the risk of nuclear war, when he's increasing it.

546 [deleted]  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 10:26:29am
547 Spiny Norman  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 10:26:37am

re: #437 Taqiyyotomist

I sense that tfk is right, moreso each day.
A two-party evil money cult.

I always have a sense that tfk is right, even if I don't always understand what he's on about.

548 Marvo76  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 10:27:03am

re: #282 AuntAcid

"Lord, what fools these Liberals be!"

I think Puck would be proud of you! LOL

549 gmsc  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 10:27:15am

re: #502 badger1970

Heaven forbid that our brave men and women might actually enjoy themselves. Two bears for a 4-hour game and 5 hour pregame. This puts a new meaning in milking.

First, I think they'll be busy during the pregame.

Second, 2 beers is 2 more beers than they've previously been allowed.

550 frred  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 10:27:26am

re: #512 Walter L. Newton

Turn on FNC and watch the comedy of the lib media trying to prop up a comedian press secretary.

551 ceemack  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 10:27:51am

re: #445 wolfie

Golly! That there sounds half-smart!


What can I tell you...I'm a cogno-American, that oppressed minority of us who actually think once in a while.

552 Guanxi88  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 10:27:54am

Don't know about you, but I'm still half hoping (eh, it's in fashion these days) the next press conference will go something like this:

Barry starts talking a bit, droning on about the insane crap he has made his stock-in-trade thus far, and McCain will jump out from behind a potted palm or something and the news crews will turn out to be a TV crew documenting the single greatest triumph of "Punk'd" in history.

553 Nevergiveup  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 10:27:59am

re: #539 formercorpsman

Well maybe, but I don't know if McCain would have closed Gitmo without a plan in place first. Nor would he have unilaterally revoked ALL of the Presidential legal edicts concerning the war on terror like Obama just did. He would have been a lot more selective.

554 Sunlight  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 10:28:00am

re: #466 see bs

WTF... When will the left realize the Geneva Convention does not and should not apply to terrorists...

The Geneva Convention is like the U.S. Constitution... a living document. It doesn't just apply to the people delineated in it, it applies to EVERYONE! Except the U.S. military.
//

555 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 10:28:03am

re: #550 frred

Turn on FNC and watch the comedy of the lib media trying to prop up a comedian press secretary.

I don't watch moby news stations like FNC.

556 realwest  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 10:28:24am

re: #404 badger1970
So you really think the US is going to be just as safe under Obama as it would have been under McCain?
Cause if your answer is No, I don't, then you owed it to this nation to vote for McCain.

557 vapig  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 10:28:56am

re: #531 opnion

A big reason that they hate us are Hollywood movies & yje Hollywood culture. They say so, they say that it proves our depravity, yet the Hollywood types defend them every time.

I wholeheartedly agree! When we were exporting the Wizard of Oz and Little Women, they didn't hate us. But even more than Hollywood, with the creation of the internet and the oodles of porn that poured out of it they just went insane. Any muslim you talk to in any setting and that's the first thing they say about us - the porn.

558 Taqiyyotomist  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 10:29:05am

re: #547 Spiny Norman

I always have a sense that tfk is right, even if I don't always understand what he's on about.

Yep, me too. I'm even glad that he's vague sometimes.

559 jcm  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 10:29:17am

re: #544 Walter L. Newton

Why would they move it further away from midnight when it is currently at 5 minutes?

BHO promises nuclear disarmament. They're a bunch of libs at the The Bulletin.

560 ArmyWife  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 10:29:29am

From the comments at Profootballtalk.com:

January 23rd, 2009 at 11:00 am
I C light pounder says:
January 23rd, 2009 at 10:16 am

Make them pay for a tickets, why is it that just because they are in the military they feel they should be exempt from pay like everyone else. BS if you ask me.
————————————————————————-

Typical douchebag democrat response.
________________________

I don’t remember IC light pounder being a democrat.
The election was months ago and it wasn’t even close. Get over it.

ummm---ok, The One won, but I hardly think 52% counts as a landslide!

561 Guanxi88  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 10:29:46am

re: #558 Taqiyyotomist

Yep, me too. I'm even glad that he's vague sometimes.

So, tfk is the Delphic Oracle of LGF? Pythia to the Lizards?

562 vagabond trader  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 10:29:49am

re: #546 buzzsawmonkey

Wouldn't put it past him to go ahead without the pledges, like the no conditions chit chat with Iran.And the functional idiot congress cheering him on.

563 [deleted]  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 10:29:50am
564 Spiny Norman  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 10:30:27am

re: #484 RaiderDan

Will the famous photo of Obama closing Gitmo become as infamous as Chamberlain waving that white paper declaring "peace for our time?"

Lord, I hope not, but I strongly suspect you're right.

565 formercorpsman  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 10:30:30am

re: #553 Nevergiveup

True. But he was more than vocal about closing gitmo, and incorporating what techniques were being utilized under the umbrella of torture.

I think we probably agree, overall, he would still have the image of being tough on terror.

566 Taqiyyotomist  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 10:30:33am

re: #557 vapig

I wholeheartedly agree! When we were exporting the Wizard of Oz and Little Women, they didn't hate us. But even more than Hollywood, with the creation of the internet and the oodles of porn that poured out of it they just went insane. Any muslim you talk to in any setting and that's the first thing they say about us - the porn.

Ironically, given that their religion's ultimate rewards are all about the pr0n.

567 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 10:30:41am

re: #539 formercorpsman
From the article.....


While Obama says he has no plans to diminish counterterrorism operations abroad, the notion that a president can circumvent long-standing U.S. laws simply by declaring war was halted by executive order in the Oval Office.

This is just a cosmetic move. The only real things changing (Gitmo, interrogations, etc) are also changes that McCain pledged to make.

568 gmsc  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 10:30:42am

re: #560 ArmyWife

From the comments at Profootballtalk.com:

ummm---ok, The One won, but I hardly think 52% counts as a landslide!

You're obviously not nuanced enough. Remember, Bush's 54% was "far from being a mandate", but 0bama's 52% is "obviously a mandate from the people!"

569 [deleted]  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 10:30:49am
570 Taqiyyotomist  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 10:31:02am

re: #561 Guanxi88

tfk speaks in parables?

571 Guanxi88  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 10:31:14am

re: #569 buzzsawmonkey

"Such terrible food--and such small portions!"

Great Woodie Allen line.

572 Dainn  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 10:31:28am

Wow. Just, wow.

Okay, so now when we are attacked again, how can they spin it so they blame it on the Bush administration.

The thing the liberals won't say is that they believe it is better that we be attacked with another 9-11 or worse than to give up what they see as essential rights. These rights include habeus corpus for non-citizen enemy combatants.

Wait...can we still call them enemy combatants? What is Obamaspeek for "enemy combatant?"

Misunderstood Malcontent?
Revolutionary?
Victim of American Imperialist Aggression?

Help me out, Obama. /I don't want to make our enemies mad by calling them names.

573 [deleted]  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 10:31:29am
574 rexatosis  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 10:32:01am

Re #380 Kosh's Shadow

I agree with your assessment of Carter, however James Buchanan is the absolute worst President in the history of the United States. Buchanan's inability and unwillingness to deal with the crises during his administration led to the bloodiest war in American History and on American Soil. Obama has signed an order that will bring enemy combantants onto American Soil where they can organize through their lawyers (as the "Blind Sheik" did through that radical Lynn Stewert), recruit new troops in our prisions (as the Bloods, Crips, Latin Kings, Mexican Drug Cartels all currently do), and plot new terrorist attacks on American Soil (see the "Blind Sheik" again.) Obama's decision regarding the WOT makes it almost certain American blood will be shed on American soil. This will put Obama in a class of Presidents that contains only Buchanan currently.

Re: #396 MJBrutus

I definitely agree that Pelosi will be a very powerful Speaker. I am not sure Obama, given his disinclination for any disagreement (see his interactions with the press, limited as they may be) is going to cede power due to a philosophical viewpoint, I just don't think this guy has a clue what he is doing. He has never done any type of administrative/executive job, he was just a professor at law school, never ran a department, as a Senator he was the chair of a sub-committee that basically never met. This guy is so over his head it is pathetic. Hell I have more executive/administrative experience than Obama and sure as hell wouldn't vote for myself based solely on my LACK OF QUALIFICATIONS. Obama is more dangerous than a fuzzy thinking liberal, he's a completely unqualified fuzzy thinking liberal who by the position he holds makes the decisions (for historical examples of unqualified disasters as leaders see Louis XVI, Nicholas II).

I have completely depressed myself with my own comments:(

575 Guanxi88  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 10:32:03am

re: #570 Taqiyyotomist

tfk speaks in parables?

Okay, maybe not Delphi. How about the Syballine Oracles, then? (Reference to the sometimes opaque but very meaningful posts he give.)

576 vapig  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 10:32:17am

re: #535 MJBrutus

Kudos from a secular Conservative who is proud to stand next to you :-)

Hey! I'm all for secularism (give unto ceasar what is ceasar's and all that) - it's the rabid christian bashing I get annoyed with.

577 jcm  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 10:32:38am

re: #573 buzzsawmonkey

Parabolas.

Which end in impact.......

578 Taqiyyotomist  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 10:32:50am

re: #573 buzzsawmonkey

Parabolas.


I'll stick with the hyperboles. Hey it's what I know.

579 flipflop  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 10:32:57am

Hey, if we're reverting to a 9/10 mentality, will I be able to carry liquids on planes again?

580 Marvo76  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 10:33:02am

re: #389 Hooray for Captain Spaulding

Are they made from REAL Girl Scouts?

Yep just like eatin a brownie! ///

581 opnion  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 10:33:16am

re: #509 Killgore Trout

I didn't vote and I have no intention of shutting up. If you voted for McCain do you really have the right to complain about this? McCain's platform also included an end to aggressive interrogation/waterboarding/"torture"....


McCain also pledged to close Gitmo. There is nothing different happening now that wouldn't be happening under McCain. I find the righteous outrage on this from McCain supporters disingenuous.

There was not a good choice. McCain would have closed Gitmo & he opposed any aggresive interrogation techniques. Further I don't believe for a minute that he would stop promoting illegal immigration.
But ya know, he was a better call than Obama.
I think that McCain is an arrogant old fool, but he does love his country.

582 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 10:33:25am

re: #553 Nevergiveup

McCain wanted to push ahead with the military tribunals but there were serious legal problems with that. The military tribunals would probably have been halted by the courts.

583 Guanxi88  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 10:33:26am

re: #579 flipflop

Hey, if we're reverting to a 9/10 mentality, will I be able to carry liquids on planes again?

In your belly or bladder, maybe.

584 [deleted]  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 10:33:44am
585 MJBrutus  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 10:33:53am

re: #574 rexatosis

Re #380 Kosh's Shadow

I have completely depressed myself with my own comments:(

Boy, do I know that feeling.

586 tackle  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 10:33:58am

re: #506 buzzsawmonkey

Up to a point. There are also people who want to come here even though they hate us, because--hate notwithstanding--they want the comfort, relative physical security, and the Yankee dollar, even as they retain that hate.

True. It's similar to how those who are evil use the infrastructure of those that are good to do their bidding.

587 [deleted]  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 10:34:00am
588 Spiny Norman  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 10:34:09am

re: #575 Guanxi88

Okay, maybe not Delphi. How about the Syballine Oracles, then? (Reference to the sometimes opaque but very meaningful posts he give.)

TFK, the oracle of the comment threads?

589 Taqiyyotomist  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 10:34:25am

Hey Obama loves his country, too. Let's be fair.
Speaking of which, do you know how many time zones there are in the Soviet Union?

590 Nevergiveup  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 10:34:44am

re: #582 Killgore Trout

McCain wanted to push ahead with the military tribunals but there were serious legal problems with that. The military tribunals would probably have been halted by the courts.


They weren't until yesterday and it wasn't by the courts.

591 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 10:34:50am

re: #589 Taqiyyotomist

Hey Obama loves his country, too. Let's be fair.
Speaking of which, do you know how many time zones there are in the Soviet Union?

8 I believe?

592 Creeping Eruption  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 10:34:51am

re: #580 Marvo76

Yep just like eatin a brownie! ///

You must have been a Cub Scout.

593 faraway  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 10:34:53am

If DinnerJacket were our President, can you think of anything he would have done differently in his first 4 days in office?

594 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 10:35:08am

I think President Obama's gonna be doing a whole lot of, "Wait! Put that back in."

I think the "chair" is going to get less comfy quickly.

595 bellamags  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 10:35:10am

re: #494 Iron Fist

I wouldn't let it worry me too much. Disease is pretty common in the Third World. One interesting little factoid that the MSM completely ignored during the war in Afghanistan was that there was an outbreak of Congo-Crimean Hemorragic Fever in Afghanistan litterly within a few weeks of the bombs starting to fall.

It is known that Iraq had a research program on weaponizing CCHF for use as a biological weapon. It is an interesting coincidence.

i dont believe in coincidences.

596 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 10:35:12am

re: #589 Taqiyyotomist

Hey Obama loves his country, too. Let's be fair.
Speaking of which, do you know how many time zones there are in the Soviet Union?

Sorry 11

597 formercorpsman  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 10:35:35am

re: #567 Killgore Trout

I think we probably agree. My point is really the thrust behind an Obama doing this, (and the peripheral accompaniment) of his policy. It sends a significant signal as to our seriousness about facing such threats.

Barak rubs elbows with Hamas apologists. McCain was singing bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb Iran.

It seems to me, how it appears in the overall message.

598 Taqiyyotomist  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 10:35:38am

re: #584 greggriffith

I only have one downding to give. Alas.

599 vapig  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 10:35:41am

re: #563 buzzsawmonkey

Nobody's making them watch it, except themselves.

It was just an observation. I wasn't defending them.

600 Thor-Zone  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 10:35:49am

re: #478 J.S.

Pakistan is now stating that their sovereignty has been violated, and they've issued a protest.

Strongly worder letter to follow.....

601 quickjustice  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 10:35:50am

This is actually more sinister than Charles's headline suggests. Obama has repealed the body of executive branch law protecting national security personnel from past actions after 9/10 in defense of national security.

It could be a prelude to starting prosecutions of Bush Administration national security officials who acted in reliance upon the repealed body of law. It also disrupts ongoing national security operations pursuant to that body of law.

In just three days, Obama, Panetta, and the new DNI cannot possibly have evaluated the legal impact of this action throughout the federal bureaucracy before making this decision. It's reckless at best, and a deliberate undermining of ongoing national security operations at worst.

602 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 10:35:59am

re: #591 Walter L. Newton

8 I believe?

1. Or is that China?

603 gmsc  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 10:36:01am

re: #579 flipflop

Hey, if we're reverting to a 9/10 mentality, will I be able to carry liquids on planes again?

9/10 - A symbol of the 0bama administration mentality, used to represent a significant date, and their total IQ.

604 doppelganglander  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 10:36:04am

re: #557 vapig

I wholeheartedly agree! When we were exporting the Wizard of Oz and Little Women, they didn't hate us. But even more than Hollywood, with the creation of the internet and the oodles of porn that poured out of it they just went insane. Any muslim you talk to in any setting and that's the first thing they say about us - the porn.

I wish they could get beer over the internet, too. The Religion of No Fun needs to lighten up. If I couldn't enjoy music, movies, and alcohol, I'd probably want to kill people, too.

605 Creeping Eruption  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 10:36:09am

re: #591 Walter L. Newton

8 I believe?

17?

606 Bloodnok  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 10:36:11am

re: #584 greggriffith WAY too much, dude.

607 saltmarsh  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 10:36:12am

Give me liberty or ah waffles.

608 wolfie  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 10:36:20am

re: #526 J.S.

re: #529 buzzsawmonkey

We should also remember that, unlike in earlier waves of immigration, many of our current immigrants are met with radical "community organizers" who teach them the attitude and skills of victimhood. Our schools, moreover, which once taught immigrants to be grateful patriots, teach them the great leftist saga of Euro-centric oppression.

I myself would rather have 100,000,000 immigrants under the old patriotic dispensation than 100 under the leftist one.

609 vapig  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 10:36:20am

re: #579 flipflop

Hey, if we're reverting to a 9/10 mentality, will I be able to carry liquids on planes again?

YEEEESSS! And can we keep our shoes on?

610 abolitionist  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 10:36:38am
Obama nullified every legal order and opinion on interrogations issued by any lawyer in the executive branch after Sept. 11, 2001.

Who would have guessed that anarchy-by-degrees could be this easy? The One appears to have learned well from his friend* Billy flag-stomper Ayers.

* Hey, I'm just going by what Axelrod (BHO's publicist) said about that Guy In The Neighborhood relationship, the one Axelrod implied must have been oh so casual and innocent because their children attend the same school.

Note: Axelrod lied. Ayers & Dohrn have 3 childen, close to the same age. Their oldest child (adopted) is here --the guy in the middle. [I don't mean that picture on the wall, altho he too is adopted, sort of. It has been reported that Che's portrait decorates/decorated their bedroom wall --the bedroom of Billy flag-stomper Ayers and Bernardine tear-it-up-from-the-inside Dohrn, that is.]

611 Taqiyyotomist  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 10:36:50am

re: #591 Walter L. Newton

8 I believe?

Eleven. (well, in the old CCCP, anyway)

612 formercorpsman  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 10:36:51am

re: #573 buzzsawmonkey

You just had to do that, didn't you.

613 jcm  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 10:36:56am

re: #582 Killgore Trout

McCain wanted to push ahead with the military tribunals but there were serious legal problems with that. The military tribunals would probably have been halted by the courts.

Execution of war policies is not the courts preview. They could make all the rulings they want. Separation of powers. The Executive only needs the balls to stand up, and tell the courts to go fish in executive branch matters that are legal under all existing laws domestic and international.

614 shanec99  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 10:37:06am

re: #522 jorline

nikis...you can't use the words liberal and pro US in the same sentence.
//


Yes you can; here is an example: Liberals will defeat any pro US legislation that the GOP brings to the floor.

615 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 10:37:31am

re: #584 greggriffith

Hey, Charles does not want comment about violence against people on this blog. I would recommend you delete it or you may loose your account.

616 frred  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 10:37:36am

re: #555 Walter L. Newton

What does it matter what channel you use to watch a live feed for the White House? Would it make you feel better to watch the Clinton News Network feed?

617 [deleted]  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 10:37:36am
618 [deleted]  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 10:37:50am
619 Marvo76  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 10:37:52am

re: #501 redstateredneck

A change of -5 from the previous year.

Let us hope this time he actually follows the polls...

620 realwest  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 10:37:56am

re: #452 Wyatt Earp
"I hope we don't see an attack, but if we do, we cannot blame Bush for it. If nothing else, he kept us safe. And isn't that really job #1?"

Used to be that the majority of voters thought it was, I still think it is and I suspect 99% of LGFer's do, but let's face it: a lot of folks voted for a guy who didn't really hide his disinclination to fight for our country.

621 gmsc  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 10:38:13am

"The trouble with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people’s money."
–Margaret Thatcher.

622 Honorary Yooper  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 10:38:18am

re: #587 Iron Fist

What would happen if we didn't pick up the phone?

That's a really good question. I think they'd panic. They rely on us so much that they would be running around like headless chickens if we failed to pick up the phone.

623 A Man for all Seasons  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 10:38:38am

#584: I would never wish an attack on this country just to shock people into reality..That comment was over the top..
*shakes Head*

624 Vicious Michigan Union Thug  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 10:38:39am

re: #518 _RememberTonyC

The PA knows how to treat islamists:

[Link: www.jpost.com...]

why do the Israelis always manage to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory?

625 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 10:38:45am

re: #584 greggriffith

Have you lost your fucking mind?

Treasonous sack of shit.

626 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 10:39:21am

re: #616 frred

What does it matter what channel you use to watch a live feed for the White House? Would it make you feel better to watch the Clinton News Network feed?

I don't care. Fox New Channel has people like Buchanan on over and over, and he is a anti-semite and I won't support Fox because of that.

Yes it does matter, I have a moral compass.

627 realwest  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 10:39:35am

re: #492 jorline
Now if we could only get Obama to read that Pew Research poll.
He likes polls, doesn't he?

628 doppelganglander  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 10:39:48am

re: #603 gmsc

9/10 - A symbol of the 0bama administration mentality, used to represent a significant date, and their total IQ.

The only test on which they'd score 9 out of 10 would be their newborn Apgar test.

629 ConservativeAtheist  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 10:39:51am

re: #409 quickjustice

While he was at it, why didn't he revoke every legal opinion and order since the presidency of George Washington? After all, we need a fresh start!
/sarc

Don't give him any ideas. After all, he considers the Constitution to be a flawed document.

630 right_wing2  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 10:39:52am

Kansas: Are you near Manhattan?

631 UberInfidel67  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 10:40:00am

I really did just tell my bro that when he redeploys, not to take any prisoners. No second chances allowed. lol He told me to be patient! WTF? Might be he knows something we don't know?

632 HippieforLife  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 10:40:16am

re: #10 opnion

And his pay grade!

633 jcm  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 10:40:50am

re: #627 realwest

Now if we could only get Obama to read that Pew Research poll.
He likes polls, doesn't he?

Only ones that he likes. Like 75% of women think his package is marvelous.

634 tfc3rid  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 10:40:54am

I think that the MSM would finally turn on Obama and wake up if and only if some of their very own top people are killed in a mass casualty terror attack.

I think only then will they turn on Obama.

635 Silhouette  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 10:40:56am

re: #618 doppelganglander

That sounds as stupid as Michael Moore's statement, post-9/11, that the attack was wrong because it targeted the people that voted against Bush.

Indeed. We rightly called Moore evil for wishing death on political opponents, and so to was that post evil.

636 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 10:40:56am

re: #625 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Have you lost your fucking mind?

Treasonous sack of shit.

I reported it to Charles. Look at his stats, a troll, a troublemaker for sure.

637 gmsc  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 10:41:09am

re: #630 right_wing2

Kansas: Are you near Manhattan?

OK, If you look on Google Maps . . .
;)

638 MrSilverDragon  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 10:41:09am

re: #584 greggriffith

Sorry, but that was uncalled for. -1.

639 CynicalConservative  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 10:41:22am

re: #636 Walter L. Newton

I reported it to Charles. Look at his stats, a troll, a troublemaker for sure.

And the jumpy thread cleanup begins.

640 brookly red  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 10:41:28am

re: #587 Iron Fist

not pick up the phone? Hmmm, I can see that happening.

641 SixDegrees  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 10:41:33am

For what it's worth: the CIA prisons have been closed for years. And the supposed squelching of interrogations contains extensive loopholes, alternatives and workarounds in cases where more straightforward information gathering techniques are deemed warranted.

In other words, the "change" being trumpeted here seems to be "no change" when the fine print is examined.

A chat about this earlier today on our local public radio station was punctuated repeatedly by the sound of Leftist heads exploding as they tried to explain why what amounts to a continuance of Bush policies is now a good thing. Quite a few callers were less than happy, citing Obama's apparent happiness with the status quo and attempts to apply new shrink wrap to it as proof of...well, all sorts of things. They tended to veer off into rants on the Trilateral Commission, the dollaro, and other theories on who's REALLY running things.

I can't wait until the Administration starts butting heads with the tinfoil hatters from their own party in Congress. At least they'll prop up popcorn prices.

642 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 10:41:40am

re: #636 Walter L. Newton

And quoted two or three times. I reported it to.

A candidate for losing an account? I would say so.

643 Charles Johnson  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 10:41:50am

greggriffith: if you ever post anything like that again at my site, your account will be history. This is going to be your only warning.

644 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 10:42:07am

re: #639 CynicalConservative

And the jumpy thread cleanup begins.

All clear.

645 doppelganglander  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 10:42:09am

re: #636 Walter L. Newton

I reported it to Charles. Look at his stats, a troll, a troublemaker for sure.

Damn, that means I'll probably get deleted for quoting him. I've never been deleted, not once, in nearly 7 years.

646 A Man for all Seasons  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 10:42:21am

re: #636 Walter L. Newton

I reported it to Charles. Look at his stats, a troll, a troublemaker for sure.


Walter..He now appears to be banned..

647 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 10:43:03am

re: #646 HoosierHoops

Walter..He now appears to be banned..

Aren't you suppose to be in Amsterdam?

648 doppelganglander  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 10:43:04am

re: #643 Charles

greggriffith: if you ever post anything like that again at my site, your account will be history. This is going to be your only warning.

Then take out my #618 too.

649 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 10:43:13am

re: #645 doppelganglander

Damn, that means I'll probably get deleted for quoting him. I've never been deleted, not once, in nearly 7 years.

Be proud of the deletion. It wasn't you.

I've had a comment deleted. Felt really stupid.

650 realwest  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 10:43:29am

re: #508 bellamags
You're more than welcome and I'm doing ok, thanks!

651 wolfie  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 10:43:36am

re: #553 Nevergiveup

Well maybe, but I don't know if McCain would have closed Gitmo without a plan in place first. Nor would he have unilaterally revoked ALL of the Presidential legal edicts concerning the war on terror like Obama just did. He would have been a lot more selective.

No kidding. Say what you will about McCain's domestic policies.....(and I, for one, will say plenty against them)....there is no way he would be this silly.

652 opnion  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 10:43:39am

re: #557 vapig

I wholeheartedly agree! When we were exporting the Wizard of Oz and Little Women, they didn't hate us. But even more than Hollywood, with the creation of the internet and the oodles of porn that poured out of it they just went insane. Any muslim you talk to in any setting and that's the first thing they say about us - the porn.


They are so freaking puritanical, that a womans shape can make the crazy & violent.

653 A Man for all Seasons  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 10:43:50am

re: #645 doppelganglander

Damn, that means I'll probably get deleted for quoting him. I've never been deleted, not once, in nearly 7 years.

That's why I didn't quote him..You know that delete stick leaves marks even if you are a bystander...

654 BigMoo  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 10:43:56am

re: #625 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I must've missed a GOOD one-it's already been deleted.

655 [deleted]  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 10:44:07am
656 Marvo76  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 10:44:16am

re: #592 Creeping Eruption

yep

657 [deleted]  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 10:44:27am
658 A Man for all Seasons  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 10:44:42am

re: #647 Walter L. Newton

Aren't you suppose to be in Amsterdam?

Gosh Walter..This summer..But hey..pack up..we could take a spin there for the weekend.

659 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 10:44:55am

re: #654 BigMoo

I must've missed a GOOD one-it's already been deleted.

No. You missed the worst, most careless, treasonous comment I've ever seen.

660 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 10:45:02am

KILLGORE... are you still out there. Reply here if you are, I have something for you and I am going to be leaving soon for the theatre.

661 realwest  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 10:45:05am

re: #509 Killgore Trout
Do you really feel that the United States will be safer under Obama than it would have been under McCain? Or at least as safe?

662 doppelganglander  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 10:45:09am

re: #649 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Be proud of the deletion. It wasn't you.

I've had a comment deleted. Felt really stupid.

I should know better than to use quote instead of reply for that kind of nonsense. Wasn't yours for posting a phone number or something? I can't imagine you'd say anything bannable.

663 Silhouette  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 10:45:17am

re: #641 SixDegrees

For what it's worth: the CIA prisons have been closed for years. And the supposed squelching of interrogations contains extensive loopholes, alternatives and workarounds in cases where more straightforward information gathering techniques are deemed warranted.

In other words, the "change" being trumpeted here seems to be "no change" when the fine print is examined.

Yes, some of Obama's "change" is symbolic, but the symbolism bothers me a great deal.

The World accused the US military of torture, murder, and other sins they did not commit. Obama just said, "Hey world, you were right. The American military was doing wrong and I'm stopping that right now. He is giving credibility to those accusations. He is spitting on our troops.

664 Taqiyyotomist  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 10:45:18am

re: #659 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

No. You missed the worst, most careless, treasonous comment I've ever seen.

It was up there, to be sure.

665 Nevergiveup  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 10:45:19am

re: #659 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

No. You missed the worst, most careless, treasonous comment I've ever seen.

Oh no--there have been worst.

666 Thor-Zone  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 10:45:29am

Clearly the Obamamanics are HOPING we won't be attacked. I hope they have a plan B for when we are attacked.

All right, Ryan, we just unzipped our fly. Mr. Thompson! Open the outer doors, firing point procedures. Now if that bastard so much as twitches, I'm going to blow him straight to Mars.

Capt. Bart Mancuso
Hunt for Red October

667 Creeping Eruption  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 10:45:43am

re: #654 BigMoo

I must've missed a GOOD one-it's already been deleted.

I wouldn't call wishing wholesale death and destruction upon on a major American city "GOOD."

668 shanec99  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 10:46:08am

re: #646 HoosierHoops

Walter..He now appears to be banned..

No Charles issued him a stern Clintonian type of warning... (imagines waving the finger, "I did not have sex...").

669 BigMoo  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 10:46:11am

re: #659 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Then I'm glad to have missed it. Frickin trolls....

670 Salamantis  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 10:46:19am

re: #100 Honorary Yooper

They may try another city this time around. Remember, Obama comes from a juicy target by itself.

Yeah; true enough. They love knocking down tall buildings, which they view as symbols of American might. They always come back to failed targets a second time (see WTC). And one plot on Chicago's Sears Tower has been foiled already.

671 albusteve  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 10:46:34am

re: #626 Walter L. Newton

I don't care. Fox New Channel has people like Buchanan on over and over, and he is a anti-semite and I won't support Fox because of that.

Yes it does matter, I have a moral compass.

why is it so hard to understand the notion that network news is an enemy of the people?...why feed the beast?...and good for you, Fox is no better than the rest

672 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 10:46:45am

re: #662 doppelganglander

I should know better than to use quote instead of reply for that kind of nonsense. Wasn't yours for posting a phone number or something? I can't imagine you'd say anything bannable.

What you callin' me a wuss?

Well, I am.

Quoted a well known conservative flame throwing author.

673 IslandLibertarian  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 10:46:48am

I hear the sound of the sword being pulled from its scabbard by "0", to be laid in SURRENDER, at the feet of TERRORISM.

OBAMA IS GUNNA' GET ME KILLED!

674 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 10:46:51am

re: #658 HoosierHoops

Gosh Walter..This summer..But hey..pack up..we could take a spin there for the weekend.

Careful, I'll hold you to that. I didn't know it wasn't until this summer. I thought it was soon. Really, if you want any info about a good walking tour in Paris, or just some info about making the best of Paris in one weekend, click on my name, go to my site, email me. I'm as good as any tour guide.

675 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 10:47:09am

re: #655 buzzsawmonkey

I've lost two this thread; one was for being foolish enough to quote a troll, one was my own damn fault.

Some people claim
There's a troll to blame
But I know...

676 karmic_inquisitor  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 10:47:14am

Charles - you need to delete my last post #657. It quotes the prior deleted post. Sorry. TIA.

677 Nevergiveup  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 10:47:16am

Report: US troops to train Egyptian forces to locate tunnels

[Link: www.ynetnews.com...]

Yeah, because when the US trained Fatah policeman, that worked out so well?

678 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 10:47:17am

re: #657 karmic_inquisitor

Cleanup! Another quote.

679 Marvo76  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 10:47:19am

Uhm I hope my clorine to the gene pool remark wasn't out of line Charles, if so please delete it too...

680 FurryOldGuyJeans  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 10:47:55am

re: #646 HoosierHoops

Walter..He now appears to be banned..

He's not.

681 [deleted]  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 10:48:10am
682 [deleted]  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 10:48:18am
683 wiffersnapper  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 10:48:20am

McCain's making headlines again. Goddammit not again!

684 opnion  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 10:48:27am

re: #604 doppelganglander

I wish they could get beer over the internet, too. The Religion of No Fun needs to lighten up. If I couldn't enjoy music, movies, and alcohol, I'd probably want to kill people, too.

They don't get that. It seems the program is Islamic triumphalism & crummy no fun lives for all.

685 BigMoo  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 10:48:31am

re: #667 Creeping Eruption
Since I didn't see it, I've no idea what was posted. Just noticed the prompt action taken-and was curious.

686 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 10:49:25am

re: #674 Walter L. Newton

Sure would appreciate it if you would mail me a case of "Beehive". I love that stuff.

687 Nevergiveup  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 10:49:33am

re: #683 wiffersnapper

McCain's making headlines again. Goddammit not again!

Well you know the Dem's kicked Lieberman out of the party soon after he was there VP nominee. Maybe......

688 [deleted]  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 10:50:05am
689 ROPMA  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 10:50:15am

It will take an attack on American soil with ~ 100,000 fatalities to get the liberal moon bats to pull their heads out of their asses.

690 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 10:50:18am

re: #686 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Sure would appreciate it if you would mail me a case of "Beehive". I love that stuff.

Er, what are you talking about?

691 jcm  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 10:50:24am

re: #685 BigMoo

Since I didn't see it, I've no idea what was posted. Just noticed the prompt action taken-and was curious.

Something the Secret Service would take an interest in.
If you get my drift.

692 FurryOldGuyJeans  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 10:50:26am

re: #3 Chicken Kiev

Those who forget history....

This is not a case of simple forgetfulness, this is willful and blatant rewriting of history and reality to fit one's perceptions.

And O had to ask just what was written in this EO he signed?!?

693 x-wing  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 10:50:47am

re: #657 karmic_inquisitor

Hey karmic. I reported your post to Charles because you quoted a deleted post.

Nothing on you.

694 BigMoo  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 10:51:25am

re: #691 jcm
Nuff said-glad it was dealt with quickly.

695 Opinionated  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 10:51:38am

Caroline Glick on why Obama on the Mideast is anything but Hope or Change. It's Deja Vu. And the Arabs are giddy.

What is most remarkable about the new administration's embrace of its predecessors' failed policy is how uncontroversial this policy is in Washington. It is hard to come up with another example of a policy that has failed so often and so violently that has enjoyed the support of both American political parties. Indeed, it is hard to think of a successful policy that ever enjoyed such broad support.

[Link: www.jpost.com...]

696 A Man for all Seasons  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 10:51:41am

re: #674 Walter L. Newton

Careful, I'll hold you to that. I didn't know it wasn't until this summer. I thought it was soon. Really, if you want any info about a good walking tour in Paris, or just some info about making the best of Paris in one weekend, click on my name, go to my site, email me. I'm as good as any tour guide.


Thanks so much Walter.. I'm really excited about the trip this summer.

697 [deleted]  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 10:51:46am
698 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 10:51:57am

re: #690 Walter L. Newton

Er, what are you talking about?

Never mind. A Colorado beer. Ok. Sorry, I've never heard of it. Even when I was drinking, it was Mickey's and Southern at home, and cheap scotch when out.

699 Nevergiveup  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 10:52:15am

re: #691 jcm

Something the Secret Service would take an interest in.
If you get my drift.

Nah, it was just an assine comment. The Secret Service wouldn't care. He actually wasn't threatening to do it himself or even to have knowledge of it.

700 unreconstructed rebel  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 10:52:32am

re: #657 karmic_inquisitor

No American should be killed for participating in our democracy.

Outstanding. We have chosen to be a republic because no single one of us gets it right all the time. Otherwise, we could all brainlessly follow some enlightened dictator.

701 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 10:52:32am

re: #690 Walter L. Newton

Er, what are you talking about?

Oh, you said you had something to send somebody earlier. Beehive Honey Wheat is only available on Colorado.

Was just being cute. Guess it didn't work. I forget you don't drink.

702 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 10:53:06am

re: #701 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Oh, you said you had something to send somebody earlier. Beehive Honey Wheat is only available on Colorado.

Was just being cute. Guess it didn't work. I forget you don't drink.

Not anymore, at least not this month. Never say never.

703 cavallino_rampante  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 10:53:07am

re: #23 VegasRick

*Amen*

704 Sunlight  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 10:53:10am

re: #697 buzzsawmonkey

Obama Initiatives! Suicide-Pact for Extra Freshness!

C-O-K!
/coffee-on-keyboard!

705 Taqyia2Me  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 10:53:15am

We were approximately 30-40 years LATE in beginning to fight back in the terror war declared against us. And to surrender now like we are being forced to do is bad, bad news.
The Ishmaelite correctly sees this as weakness and an invitation to attack more.

706 Outrider  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 10:53:15am

We are now back to the Carter administrations methods of dealing with the world. Treating terrorists and rogue dictators as minor criminals, treating them much the same as a police officer would treat a shoplifter.

I will not be surprised to see the end of our agents infiltrating terrorists cells, using spies to secure information, and and end to actually fighting terrorism. We are now returning to the days of attempting to "understand" the terrorist and placate dictators.

The only problem is we do not have a Ronald Reagan waiting in the wings to bring the country back from the brink.

707 albusteve  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 10:53:15am

re: #694 BigMoo

Nuff said-glad it was dealt with quickly.

deleted posts get too much publicity...imo

708 redc1c4  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 10:53:21am

re: #533 kansas

Is BO gonna do anything for this country? Or just try to fuck us?

FTFY!

709 FurryOldGuyJeans  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 10:53:37am

re: #651 wolfie

No kidding. Say what you will about McCain's domestic policies.....(and I, for one, will say plenty against them)....there is no way he would be this silly.

This is not not simple silliness, this is willful and criminal stupidity.

710 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 10:53:44am

BBIAW - got to go clean up for work.

711 vapig  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 10:54:16am

re: #652 opnion

They are so freaking puritanical, that a womans shape can make the crazy & violent.

Actually, the puritans liked hot, hot, HOT sex - but within the confines of marriage. They also enjoyed a good pint of beer (ale).

712 logboy  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 10:54:21am

Charles, Opera/9.63 started freezing on LGF.

713 jcm  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 10:54:38am

re: #699 Nevergiveup

Nah, it was just an assine comment. The Secret Service wouldn't care. He actually wasn't threatening to do it himself or even to have knowledge of it.

They've been known not to have a sense of humor around the subject. Even a joke in public has been known to result in a knock on the door and an interview.

714 bellamags  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 10:54:56am

re: #688 Iron Fist

It is curious, but CCHF is native to the region. It is mostly spread by ticks, IIRC, but is comunicable from person to person through bodily fluids, etc. It is some nasty shit (all hemorrhagic fevers are pretty nasty), and Iraq was working with it. I don't think their program was very far along, but the next time someone sqwaks "No WMD!" you might offer to let them drink a vile of the stuff and see what happens. Lock 'em in a clean room, and watch them melt.

The mortality rate on it is something on the order of 30% which puts it at the low end of something like smallpox. You will definately feel awful, and a good many of the infected will die.

timing is everything.

715 Rednek  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 10:55:10am

Hey! Look at his accomplishments so far.

No Terrorist attacks on American soil every since Obama took office!

Thank you Obama, for keeping us safe.

716 bellamags  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 10:55:17am

re: #710 Walter L. Newton

BBIAW - got to go clean up for work.

did you get the job?

717 Taqiyyotomist  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 10:55:31am

re: #712 logboy

Charles, Opera/9.63 started freezing on LGF.

Ahh, tell it to AlGore. ;)

718 vapig  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 10:55:35am

re: #689 ROPMA

It will take an attack on American soil with ~ 100,000 fatalities to get the liberal moon bats to pull their heads out of their asses.

I seriously doubt THAT would even do it.

719 jcm  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 10:55:41am

re: #711 vapig

Actually, the puritans liked hot, hot, HOT sex - but within the confines of marriage. They also enjoyed a good pint of beer (ale).

And little before too, the number of "earlier babies" in the records is quite high. But they always got married.

720 A Man for all Seasons  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 10:55:42am

re: #681 buzzsawmonkey

"Posts Go Away Again Right Here in Lizardville?"

Buzzsaw! You have more Karma than posts! Amazing..

721 gmsc  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 10:55:43am

Now that "Bush's" War on Terror is over, we need to get a fund together. The full fund will be paid to the first person to go through a US airport checkpoint and say, "Take off my shoes?!? I can't carry liquids?!? But, Bush isn't president anymore! Haven't you heard? The War On Terror is over! We can do anything we want on a plane now! I packed extra liquids just because I could!"

722 logboy  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 10:55:48am

The sad thing is, when we get attacked again (not if) we're going to be the assholes for saying "I told you so".

723 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 10:56:05am

I look forward to the day where some moron posts something treasonous and Charles gets a call from the Secret Service and turns the C**ksucker in without any hesitation.

724 redstateredneck  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 10:56:10am

re: #711 vapig

Actually, the puritans liked hot, hot, HOT sex - but within the confines of marriage. They also enjoyed a good pint of beer (ale).


I wanna read the history book you're reading.

725 jcm  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 10:56:19am

re: #716 bellamags

did you get the job?

He won't clean up before coming in here? Yeesh, some buddy.....
/ ;-P

726 [deleted]  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 10:56:23am
727 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 10:56:32am

re: #712 logboy

Charles, Opera/9.63 started freezing on LGF.


Guess the fat lady is singing, huh?

728 Honorary Yooper  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 10:56:38am

re: #676 karmic_inquisitor

Charles - you need to delete my last post #657. It quotes the prior deleted post. Sorry. TIA.

It looks like you hit "reply", not "quote". I think it's a good retort for the dipstick at #584.

729 yma o hyd  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 10:56:41am

re: #695 Opinionated

Caroline Glick on why Obama on the Mideast is anything but Hope or Change. It's Deja Vu. And the Arabs are giddy.

[Link: www.jpost.com...]

Reading this makes my heart heavy with sorrow.
Israel truly stands alone, now more than ever.

730 alegrias  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 10:57:14am

re: #671 albusteve

why is it so hard to understand the notion that network news is an enemy of the people?...why feed the beast?...and good for you, Fox is no better than the rest

* * *
Flat out lie on your part.

731 Opinionated  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 10:57:38am

Maybe we don't need National Security. Maybe they won't attack.

Maybe the enemy knows what too few Americans yet realize- us excepted- that Obama will do such permanent damage to the Nation that like in Europe they can destroy us in more subtle ways.

732 vapig  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 10:57:42am

re: #719 jcm

And little before too, the number of "earlier babies" in the records is quite high. But they always got married.

LOL! Yeah, they even had a term for it - "Anticipating the wedding night!"

733 Marvo76  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 10:57:47am

re: #689 ROPMA

It will take an attack on American soil with ~ 100,000 fatalities to get the liberal moon bats to pull their heads out of their asses.

They would still probably apologize for Bush provoking them

734 doppelganglander  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 10:57:49am

re: #672 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

What you callin' me a wuss?

Well, I am.

Quoted a well known conservative flame throwing author.

Not a wuss, just someone who speaks judiciously. ;) Seriously, though, there are some conservative authors I just can't support anymore because even when they're right, they sound unhinged.

735 formercorpsman  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 10:57:57am

re: #655 buzzsawmonkey

I guess that was the 617 or 618 I gave you the upding on?

I can't remember now, I suspect it was your retort for the warning dude?

736 Nevergiveup  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 10:58:05am

re: #723 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I look forward to the day where some moron posts something treasonous and Charles gets a call from the Secret Service and turns the C**ksucker in without any hesitation.

It's not so much treason, but threatening the well being of the President or some other Federal Official. or you could try taking up counterfeiting.

737 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 10:58:16am

re: #724 redstateredneck

I wanna read the history book you're reading.

"Is That Plymouth Rock or Are You Just Happy To See Me?"

738 surfer dude  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 10:58:20am

Exactly what should happen to the Big O if an attack does occur on our country AND a few of the poor little misunderstood and highly oppressed terrorists included in the attack are linked directly to this wholesale Gitmo purge?

739 WriterMom  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 10:58:35am

re: #695 Opinionated

You know, I love Glick. I have a major girl-crush on her and I think she is one of the smartest pundits on the planet-but she depresses the hell out of me.

740 Rancher  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 10:58:37am

Lt. Colonel Lucky:
"Well if ain't Osama bin Laden himself, we finally got you you bastard!"

Osama:
"You are too late! America will suffer a great annihilation in less than two weeks, Allah be praised!"

Lt. Colonel Lucky:
"Uhm, you have the right to remain silent..."

741 albusteve  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 10:58:45am

re: #730 alegrias

* * *
Flat out lie on your part.

it's my opinion

742 LGoPs  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 10:58:51am

re: #608 wolfie

re: #529 buzzsawmonkey

We should also remember that, unlike in earlier waves of immigration, many of our current immigrants are met with radical "community organizers" who teach them the attitude and skills of victimhood. Our schools, moreover, which once taught immigrants to be grateful patriots, teach them the great leftist saga of Euro-centric oppression.

I myself would rather have 100,000,000 immigrants under the old patriotic dispensation than 100 under the leftist one.

Great point. The lack of gratitude for one's country among so many liberals is what troubles me the most......and I don't know how to answer it, because it makes me so mad and I know that facts don't matter to them. I really can't think of any response other than a baseball bat to the head but I know that's not right so I just walk away shaking my head. Spoled rotten ingrates.......

743 Creeping Eruption  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 10:59:01am

Oh, a new creationism thread. I think I will watch the inevitable bloodbath from the sidelines.

744 [deleted]  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 10:59:07am
745 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 10:59:29am

re: #711 vapig

Actually, the puritans liked hot, hot, HOT sex - but within the confines of marriage. They also enjoyed a good pint of beer (ale).

I heard once that they Mayflower stopped where it did because they ran out of beer.

Please, do not correct that information for me. Is too cool for words, I don't care if it is wrong.

746 yma o hyd  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 10:59:32am

re: #720 HoosierHoops

Buzzsaw! You have more Karma than posts! Amazing..

He's one mighty honco, thats fer sure!

747 Kenneth  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 10:59:50am

Reemergence of “Rogue Elements”

The start of the crisis in Gaza coincided with the reemergence of a dangerous phenomenon in Iran: the notable increase in the activities of plain-clothes SWAT strike teams. Since the birth and engagements of these groups, Iranian authorities have tried to portray them as “rogue” elements. But critics of the regime view these groups as part of the government machinery and they point to inaction of responsible government agencies as a response to the assault of the teams.

748 bellamags  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 10:59:55am

re: #743 Creeping Eruption

Oh, a new creationism thread. I think I will watch the inevitable bloodbath from the sidelines.

ha ha me too. BTW what the hell is your avatar?

749 DistantThunder  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 10:59:56am

re: #721 gmsc

Now that "Bush's" War on Terror is over, we need to get a fund together. The full fund will be paid to the first person to go through a US airport checkpoint and say, "Take off my shoes?!? I can't carry liquids?!? But, Bush isn't president anymore! Haven't you heard? The War On Terror is over! We can do anything we want on a plane now! I packed extra liquids just because I could!"

Mr DT reports:

A black man going through TSA security was loudly complaining about not being allowed to take some small amount of liquid. He fussed and fumed as they explained the obvious to him. As he as walking away he turned around and spewed angrily to the TSA workers - who were also black - "You just wait until Obama is in, all this is going to stop. There ain't gonna be no more of this sh@t under Obama."

Heh.

750 realwest  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 11:00:12am

re: #654 BigMoo
There really wasn't anything remotely close to good about it.

751 redstateredneck  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 11:00:17am

re: #738 surfer dude

Exactly what should happen to the Big O if an attack does occur on our country AND a few of the poor little misunderstood and highly oppressed terrorists included in the attack are linked directly to this wholesale Gitmo purge?

Most of the country won't know it because it will not be reported by the MSM.

752 gmsc  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 11:00:28am

re: #746 yma o hyd

He's one mighty honco, thats fer sure!

I keep seeing this word "honco" on LGF. What is a "honco"? I know what a honcho is, but a "honco"?

753 DistantThunder  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 11:00:41am

re: #723 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I look forward to the day where some moron posts something treasonous and Charles gets a call from the Secret Service and turns the C**ksucker in without any hesitation.

There's already lots of stuff that the Narcissist wouldn't like. An inflated ego is a fragile ego.

754 albusteve  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 11:00:52am

re: #744 Iron Fist

Hell, if the war is over, pack a couple of pistols. They're really just steel, brass and wood sculptures with a little lead and copper thrown in for effect.

and some chemistry to make them interactive....:)

755 shanec99  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 11:00:59am

Here comes evolution.

756 NY Nana  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 11:01:03am

OT:

Drive by post: We are off to Brooklyn to spend the day and have dinner with the 2-year old toddler grandson, and to force daughter and son in law out the door to have dinner and go to a movie.

I am practicing keeping a straight face, as the 2 year old is hilarious, and could possibly have a future as a stand up comedian! ;) He also sings on tune to his perfect monotone grandparents.

See you all tonight....if I have the energy left to type!

757 BigMoo  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 11:01:04am

I try not to 'play this card' too often, because it's my son deployed over in Afghanistan and not me-but it flat scares the hell out of me how committed BHO is going to be in ensuring that our troops have the equipment/supplies/Intel and overall CIC support they need to drive the Taliban out of the contested provinces ruthlessly-without regard to 'international opinion' or political correctness. It's called a WAR and it's brutal-especially against an enemy who hides among women and children, dress like women at times (to hide) and must look at the Gitmo decision as nothing but weakness on our part. I truly believe that this week's Exec Orders have emboldened our enemies.

758 Marvo76  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 11:01:11am

re: #743 Creeping Eruption

Oh, a new creationism thread. I think I will watch the inevitable bloodbath from the sidelines.

I am within in one Karma point of being able to reach DOWN and touch bottom after my last creationist foray, I think I will stay here too...

759 WriterMom  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 11:01:28am

I see I missed a real doozy.

760 opnion  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 11:01:58am

re: #711 vapig

Actually, the puritans liked hot, hot, HOT sex - but within the confines of marriage. They also enjoyed a good pint of beer (ale).

I that case, my respect for them is up a notch. They drank?

761 yma o hyd  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 11:01:58am

re: #739 WriterMom

You know, I love Glick. I have a major girl-crush on her and I think she is one of the smartest pundits on the planet-but she depresses the hell out of me.

Same here - on all counts.
Truth hurts, truth is not sugar and spice and all things nice ...

762 FurryOldGuyJeans  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 11:01:58am

re: #683 wiffersnapper

McCain's making headlines again. Goddammit not again!

The FMSM needs their maverick Dem-Lite RINO Republican visible so the viewing public sees him as what it means to be Republican or Conservative.

763 Creeping Eruption  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 11:02:02am

re: #748 bellamags

ha ha me too. BTW what the hell is your avatar?

An album from my youth called Chasidisco Fever. You guessed it: Traditional Chassidic Jewish songs done to a disco beat. The album cover was just too funny not to use when a friend of mine recently dug this out of her attic.

764 OldLineTexan  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 11:02:05am

re: #509 Killgore Trout

I didn't vote and I have no intention of shutting up. If you voted for McCain do you really have the right to complain about this? McCain's platform also included an end to aggressive interrogation/waterboarding/"torture"....


McCain also pledged to close Gitmo. There is nothing different happening now that wouldn't be happening under McCain. I find the righteous outrage on this from McCain supporters disingenuous.

Oh, I can have an opinion too, and that's just mine. Participatory democracy and all.

So McCain promised to undo every legal opinion of the Bush Administration's lawyers?

I was hardly a McCain supporter, but Obama will deliver again and again. McCain would have at least had the delight of partial gridlock as the Dems took their revenge on him.

765 redc1c4  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 11:02:07am

re: #706 Outrider

We are now back to the Carter administrations methods of dealing with the world. Treating terrorists and rogue dictators as minor criminals, treating them much the same as a police officer would treat a shoplifter.

I will not be surprised to see the end of our agents infiltrating terrorists cells, using spies to secure information, and and end to actually fighting terrorism. We are now returning to the days of attempting to "understand" the terrorist and placate dictators.

The only problem is we do not have a Ronald Reagan waiting in the wings to bring the country back from the brink.

Sarah Palin

766 gmsc  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 11:02:18am

re: #749 DistantThunder

Mr DT reports:

A black man going through TSA security was loudly complaining about not being allowed to take some small amount of liquid. He fussed and fumed as they explained the obvious to him. As he as walking away he turned around and spewed angrily to the TSA workers - who were also black - "You just wait until Obama is in, all this is going to stop. There ain't gonna be no more of this sh@t under Obama."

Heh.

Now, see, if he'd jave just waited until we got the fund together....

767 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 11:02:27am

re: #752 gmsc

I keep seeing this word "honco" on LGF. What is a "honco"? I know what a honcho is, but a "honco"?

When the Gaza War began, Charles got some hate mail describing us Lizards as "cannibalistic Zionist honcos."

The LGF Dictionary should be updated to include "honcos."

768 cblesz  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 11:02:33am

I am officially worried now. This country is going to get hit and hit hard. My stomach literally turns every time they attempt to bring us back to September 10th. Why do people in this country have such a hard time understanding that there are people out there that do not want diplomacy? They do not want anything other than our destructions and violent deaths on a large scale. Unreal. Freaking idiots.

769 Nevergiveup  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 11:02:47am

re: #758 Marvo76

I am within in one Karma point of being able to reach DOWN and touch bottom after my last creationist foray, I think I will stay here too...

Shit who did you piss off?

770 Opinionated  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 11:03:11am

re: #729 yma o hyd

Reading this makes my heart heavy with sorrow.
Israel truly stands alone, now more than ever.


What she writes is so factual, logical and obvious but in the real world no one pays attention while continuing on a set path that leads to truly dark places.

Cassandra's curse.

771 DistantThunder  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 11:03:22am

The good news is that Saddam is worm food. No more mass executiions of political enemies bussed out into the deseret and machine gunned in mass graves in Iraq anyway. See that picture of the blindfolded and tortured 7 & 5 year olds in ARcheology today? No more Saddam.

772 gmsc  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 11:03:25am

re: #767 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

When the Gaza War began, Charles got some hate mail describing us Lizards as "cannibalistic Zionist honcos."

The LGF Dictionary should be updated to include "honcos."

It sounds like the opposite of a "honcee".

773 albusteve  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 11:03:45am

re: #762 FurryOldGuyJeans

The FMSM needs their maverick Dem-Lite RINO Republican visible so the viewing public sees him as what it means to be Republican or Conservative.

presto!.....man that's exactly the truth....evolution!

774 cblesz  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 11:04:12am

re: #738 surfer dude

Exactly what should happen to the Big O if an attack does occur on our country AND a few of the poor little misunderstood and highly oppressed terrorists included in the attack are linked directly to this wholesale Gitmo purge?


It will have been Bush's fault in that the Gitmo prisoners were held and tortured when they did nothing wrong...can you blame them? They are upset and would not have been if Bush did not abuse them...

775 Nevergiveup  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 11:04:28am

re: #768 cblesz

I am officially worried now. This country is going to get hit and hit hard. My stomach literally turns every time they attempt to bring us back to September 10th. Why do people in this country have such a hard time understanding that there are people out there that do not want diplomacy? They do not want anything other than our destructions and violent deaths on a large scale. Unreal. Freaking idiots.

I believe the terms Liberal and Freaking Idiot are interchangeable.

776 logboy  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 11:04:28am

re: #727 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Guess the fat lady is singing, huh?

I switched to google chrome, seems to be working now. The same thing happens with IE too. I don't think they can handle all code. Static webpages fine, dynamic content no.

777 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 11:04:33am

re: #763 Creeping Eruption

An album from my youth called Chasidisco Fever. You guessed it: Traditional Chassidic Jewish songs done to a disco beat. The album cover was just too funny not to use when a friend of mine recently dug this out of her attic.

That's awesome! It almost makes me glad that we'll all be revisiting the 70s soon.

778 DistantThunder  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 11:04:49am

re: #768 cblesz

I am officially worried now. This country is going to get hit and hit hard. My stomach literally turns every time they attempt to bring us back to September 10th. Why do people in this country have such a hard time understanding that there are people out there that do not want diplomacy? They do not want anything other than our destructions and violent deaths on a large scale. Unreal. Freaking idiots.

Because they are control freaks and they hold the illusion that their best intention will convince other people to behave well.

779 yma o hyd  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 11:05:07am

re: #752 gmsc

I keep seeing this word "honco" on LGF. What is a "honco"? I know what a honcho is, but a "honco"?

That goes back some weeks to an e-mail by an irate idiotto charles, which he published.
He clled Lizards several thigns - I can't remember all (someone will, certainly!) and 'honco' was one of them, now gleefully adopted by the Lizardim!

780 OldLineTexan  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 11:05:39am

re: #590 Nevergiveup

They weren't until yesterday and it wasn't by the courts.

We can't let facts get in the way.

781 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 11:06:05am

I'm hungry. Anybody got cake? Pie will do.

782 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 11:06:25am

Pie is liquid cake.

783 [deleted]  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 11:06:25am
784 Creeping Eruption  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 11:06:36am

re: #758 Marvo76

I am within in one Karma point of being able to reach DOWN and touch bottom after my last creationist foray, I think I will stay here too...

I just took a peek. 19 posts in and Charles already has to issue a warning.

785 DistantThunder  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 11:06:38am

Also, human life is cheap to these people. They absolutely believe in torture, but they like to do via the school system and the government bureacracy.

786 albusteve  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 11:06:45am

re: #781 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I'm hungry. Anybody got cake? Pie will do.

when you get your pie...give it to me

787 mongoose  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 11:06:52am

re: #229 redstateredneck

Not unless they want to take on Nascar lovin', gun-totin' rednecks!

Bitter, you must also be bitter.

788 surfer dude  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 11:07:11am

re: #751 redstateredneck

Isn't this the age of the internet? I would think that nothing could be hidden from a group of talented and highly motivated internet junkies.

The throbbing memo did Danny-boy in, and there are individuals out there that have forgotten more than Charles knows about "information gathering" on the internet and the DoD.

789 alegrias  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 11:07:16am

re: #741 albusteve

it's my opinion

* * *
Thanks for explaining. Where I live, Fox News Cable offers plenty of contrast and commentary that differs from leftist spin.

I also appreciate Fox's pro-business, non-snarky attitude towards subjects.

For example, you may have missed that on inaugural dady, ONLY Fox News Cable broadcast former President George W. Bush's speech on his arrival in Texas. Not ONE other channel thought former President Bush's speech newsworthy enough to break from the Obama-centric coverage.

790 Nevergiveup  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 11:07:25am

re: #784 Creeping Eruption

I just took a peek. 19 posts in and Charles already has to issue a warning.


That's why i am staying here for the time being

791 realwest  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 11:07:36am

re: #723 Fat Bastard Vegetarian I'd much rather Charles NEVER gets a call from the USSS.

792 ddd  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 11:07:40am

Barrae will make the world safe for terrroism.

793 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 11:07:40am

re: #786 albusteve

when you get your pie...give it to me

I knew it! A liberal!

794 bellamags  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 11:07:41am

re: #763 Creeping Eruption

An album from my youth called Chasidisco Fever. You guessed it: Traditional Chassidic Jewish songs done to a disco beat. The album cover was just too funny not to use when a friend of mine recently dug this out of her attic.

Oh my. That is not satire? wow. hilarious.

795 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 11:08:04am

re: #791 realwest

I'd much rather Charles NEVER gets a call from the USSS.

Well, there is that too.

796 yma o hyd  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 11:08:22am

re: #770 Opinionated

What she writes is so factual, logical and obvious but in the real world no one pays attention while continuing on a set path that leads to truly dark places.

Cassandra's curse.

True.
I'd miss her greatly, would she ever stop writing, depressing as it often is.

797 Creeping Eruption  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 11:08:29am

re: #790 Nevergiveup

That's why i am staying here for the time being

Lots of deletes, but no banning . . yet

798 Nevergiveup  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 11:08:39am

re: #791 realwest

I'd much rather Charles NEVER gets a call from the USSS.

Why? Maybe they have some hot broads working there?
/

799 shanec99  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 11:08:45am

re: #784 Creeping Eruption

I just took a peek. 19 posts in and Charles already has to issue a warning.


Gonna be a blood bath over there I suspect... and I dont want any of it splashing on me. Nope not going over there. Not leaving here unless a non creationist threat opens.

800 realwest  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 11:09:04am

re: #730 alegrias
?

801 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 11:09:14am

re: #794 bellamags

Oh my. That is not satire? wow. hilarious.

C'mon. Ethyl Merman did a disco album. Why not Rabbi (insert stereotypical Jewish name here)?

802 Creeping Eruption  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 11:09:49am

re: #794 bellamags

Oh my. That is not satire? wow. hilarious.

It is and it isn't. How could you possibly see that and not laugh? Also, its Disco for heavens sake. On the other hand, they are real tunes - just the kind of thing a Jewish kid growing up in the 70's might listen to.

803 wolfie  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 11:09:56am

re: #783 buzzsawmonkey

OT and OLF (out of left field)--- A few days ago I got that book on 2oth Century Israel you recommended. Great stuff! Thanks so much! :)

804 bellamags  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 11:10:05am

re: #801 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

C'mon. Ethyl Merman did a disco album. Why not Rabbi (insert stereotypical Jewish name here)?

who is Ethyl Merman?

805 albusteve  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 11:10:06am

re: #789 alegrias

* * *
Thanks for explaining. Where I live, Fox News Cable offers plenty of contrast and commentary that differs from leftist spin.

I also appreciate Fox's pro-business, non-snarky attitude towards subjects.

For example, you may have missed that on inaugural dady, ONLY Fox News Cable broadcast former President George W. Bush's speech on his arrival in Texas. Not ONE other channel thought former President Bush's speech newsworthy enough to break from the Obama-centric coverage.

sometimes I may be too blunt...FOX has it's viewers it caters to...that's cool....I show my distain for the MSN by not watching any network TV, including FOX...so be it

806 opnion  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 11:10:12am

re: #784 Creeping Eruption

I just took a peek. 19 posts in and Charles already has to issue a warning.


Already getting nasty, huh?

807 Opinionated  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 11:10:34am

re: #739 WriterMom

You know, I love Glick. I have a major girl-crush on her and I think she is one of the smartest pundits on the planet-but she depresses the hell out of me.

I know what you mean. What is really depressing is how she is prophetic and simply ignored while those who are always wrong always remain influential to be wrong again.

808 albusteve  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 11:10:41am

re: #793 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I knew it! A liberal!

shut up....pie now!

809 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 11:10:42am

re: #804 bellamags

who is Ethyl Merman?

Kin to Ethyl Glycol. oops.

Frakin' spellin' police.

810 bellamags  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 11:10:54am

re: #802 Creeping Eruption

It is and it isn't. How could you possibly see that and not laugh? Also, its Disco for heavens sake. On the other hand, they are real tunes - just the kind of thing a Jewish kid growing up in the 70's might listen to.

kinda like "Disco Duck" from Disney?

811 Nevergiveup  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 11:10:59am

re: #804 bellamags

who is Ethyl Merman?

Youtube Video
812 [deleted]  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 11:11:06am
813 [deleted]  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 11:11:33am
814 yma o hyd  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 11:11:33am

re: #797 Creeping Eruption

Lots of deletes, but no banning . . yet

Byger.
Gotta go and see for meself now!

(Love watching jumping threads!)

815 Marvo76  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 11:11:39am

re: #768 cblesz

I am officially worried now. This country is going to get hit and hit hard. My stomach literally turns every time they attempt to bring us back to September 10th. Why do people in this country have such a hard time understanding that there are people out there that do not want diplomacy? They do not want anything other than our destructions and violent deaths on a large scale. Unreal. Freaking idiots.


Keep in mind these are the same folks that ignor that while it isn't a religious war to us it is to THEM.....and they don't understand the consequences becuase it is "a religion of peace" they even said so...///

816 jamsler  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 11:11:46am

Here it is, the worst-case scenario playing out like a slow motion train-wreck, pretty much as I imagined it would. Nothing surprising about any of it.
I can't bear to watch what's going on; it's like a bad dream.
This must be how the non-Nazi Germans felt as they watched the madman and his insane party sweep to power. Helpless, soon to be swept away by a mob-empowered party that crushes all dissent and kills what is unique.
If you have faith, now is the time to pray.
Pray that the damage that this oaf of a potus causes can be fixed. Pray that somebody comes along that's capable of fixing it. Pray that when our enemies strike they will fail. That they will strike is certain. That the attack might fail due to incompetence of the terrorist, is about all we can hope for now.
Above all, pray that we don't lose throw away the gift of liberty that so many have died to preserve.
If we do, then we didn't deserve to have it anyway.

817 Marvo76  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 11:12:47am

re: #769 Nevergiveup

Shit who did you piss off?

at least 104 folks with a negative down ding...

818 infidel4ever  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 11:12:48am

re: #449 VioletTiger

The things that will piss me off the most about Obama will be the things he does in the name of our global popularity.

I travel all over the world in my current assignment, frequently with my closet-moonbat boss, who doesn't want to admit he's a liberal working for one of the most conservative companies on the planet. His most annoying habit--asking the America-haters why they hate us. 'They hate us' is his favorite wine. I tell him I don't give a rat's ass, but he insists on hearing their thoughts.

Any LGFer can tell you why they hate us. They hate our prosperity and our freedom. They think our success is the reason for their failure. No amount of aide will passify them. They want us to hurt ourselves to benefit them. They won't like us until we are diminished and irrelevant. Anybody who thinks we can appease the America haters is naive beyond belief. That our president is so naive is sad beyond belief.

Basically they are jealous and ticked off because your succes makes them look bad...

:))

819 albusteve  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 11:12:59am

re: #804 bellamags

who is Ethyl Merman?

forerunner to Madona

820 Creeping Eruption  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 11:13:06am

re: #810 bellamags

kinda like "Disco Duck" from Disney?

Yup. Thats probably where the idea came from.

821 realwest  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 11:13:16am

re: #789 alegrias
Ah, nevermind my "?" at #800!

822 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 11:14:10am

re: #716 bellamags

did you get the job?

No, no, the theatre job. I won't know until next week when the team and manager wants to interview me. And all and all, it may take weeks or more before I even get close to a offer or not.

823 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 11:14:15am

re: #819 albusteve

forerunner to Madona

The question was sarcasm to go with my poor spelling.

824 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 11:14:31am

re: #627 realwest

Now if we could only get Obama to read that Pew Research poll.
He likes polls, doesn't he?

He likes Poles. I don't think 0bama likes Israelis, except for loony left ones.

825 gmsc  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 11:14:49am

re: #804 bellamags

who is Ethyl Merman?

The younger sister to Unleaded Merman.

They're probably referring to Ethel Merman.

I loved her in the movie Airplane!, where she played a soldier that was suffering from the delusion that she was Ethel Merman.

826 albusteve  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 11:15:38am

re: #823 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

The question was sarcasm to go with my poor spelling.

I only recognize my own sarcasm......
not really

827 Nevergiveup  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 11:15:43am

re: #825 gmsc

The younger sister to Unleaded Merman.

They're probably referring to Ethel Merman.

I loved her in the movie Airplane!, where she played a soldier that was suffering from the delusion that she was Ethel Merman.

She was great in its a MAd Mad MAd World

828 bellamags  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 11:15:45am

re: #811 Nevergiveup

I LOVE that era. The dresses, hats and gloves. Women were feminine and Men were masculine. Love it. Thanks!

829 opnion  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 11:15:51am

re: #818 infidel4ever

Basically they are jealous and ticked off because your succes makes them look bad...

:))


I think that Islam is in another very fundamentalist stage.
It is the Koran, they take the thing literally & it ain't pretty.

830 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 11:16:03am

re: #825 gmsc

The younger sister to Unleaded Merman.

They're probably referring to Ethel Merman.

I loved her in the movie Airplane!, where she played a soldier that was suffering from the delusion that she was Ethel Merman.

Love that scene!

831 realwest  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 11:16:10am

Woops, time for lunch. Hope you all have a great day and that I get the chance to see you all down the road.

832 Silhouette  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 11:16:55am

re: #825 gmsc

The younger sister to Unleaded Merman.

And her sisters Methyl, Propyl, and Butyl Merman. Each one had a larger carbon footprint than the last.

833 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 11:17:32am

re: #832 Silhouette

And her sisters Methyl, Propyl, and Butyl Merman. Each one had a larger carbon footprint than the last.

INTELLIGISTS!

834 Nevergiveup  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 11:18:06am

re: #830 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Love that scene!

And in a Mad World

Youtube Video
835 bellamags  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 11:18:37am

re: #822 Walter L. Newton

No, no, the theatre job. I won't know until next week when the team and manager wants to interview me. And all and all, it may take weeks or more before I even get close to a offer or not.

I hope you get it. : )

836 jester6  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 11:18:51am

re: #78 MandyManners

I hope all who didn't vote for McCain because he wasn't conservative enough are fucking happy now.

I know it's kind of silly, but I enjoy reading comments like this coming from some named MandyManners. I have this mental picture of Holly Hobbie look alike with a cigarette hanging out of her mouth shouting "Fuck Off".

837 Kenneth  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 11:19:12am

The “Greater” Middle East: The New Geopolitical Environment and Its Implications for Obama Administration Policies
By Hillel Fradkin

The most recent developments show that during the next four years, two countries, Iran and Pakistan, will require the overwhelming majority of attention from U.S. policymakers. President-elect Obama has announced that he will prioritize the prosecution and successful conclusion of our military actions in Afghanistan and the prevention of terrorist attacks, and he has rightly observed the key to these ambitions appears to lie in part, if not in whole, across the border in Pakistan, where both the Afghan Taliban and Al Qaeda enjoy safe haven. Achieving these goals requires the active cooperation of the Pakistani government.

In the case of Pakistan, the central goal of our policy is very clear, almost startlingly so: the survival of the present government and the continuation of its present course. This offers the best hope of achieving the president-elect’s objectives in Afghanistan. It also offers the best hope of avoiding the radicalization of the Pakistani government and its policies or the chaotic breakup of the country—or both.

The U.S. must also give priority to the prevention of a full-scale war between India and Pakistan. Currently, the U.S. is regarded by both as the best, and practically speaking, the only, available broker of peace.

In the case of Iran, our most immediate objective is preventing it from acquiring nuclear weapons, which would create new dynamics, such as a regional nuclear arms race, for which there is no precedent and no established policy instruments.

Since the summer of 2003, we have mainly pursued this objective through negotiations led by our European allies, and alternatively with a sanctions regime. Unfortunately, this approach has failed to yield any results.
The president-elect has also announced his intentions to give negotiations with Iran another chance on an “unconditional” basis. An initiative yet to be defined is certain to be taken. Iran, however, has already declared that our main objective— the end or suspension of its nuclear program—is not open for discussion.

The central remaining option is military action. The U.S. is unlikely to take this course. It is possible that Israel, which now regards Iran’s nuclear program as an existential threat, might take action. But Israel will also operate under many restraints which reduce, if they do not eliminate, this possibility. It’s likely Iran will possess a nuclear weapon, and perhaps several, by the end of 2009. In this case, the new administration will have to proceed on a two-fold basis: negotiations that aim to restrain Iran, and, ultimately, preparations for the likelihood that effort will fail.

838 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 11:19:35am

Ethel certainly packed a big voice.

839 alegrias  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 11:19:55am

re: #805 albusteve

sometimes I may be too blunt...FOX has it's viewers it caters to...that's cool....I show my distain for the MSN by not watching any network TV, including FOX...so be it

* * * *
Unlike the media you rightfully distrust, in my opinion, FOX News Cable really went after the UN Oil For Food Scandal perpetrators. I was so proud of Fox reporters Eric Shawn and Jonathan Hunt hounding corrupt UN officials about missing BILLIONS of tax dollars.

Just one example of Fox News not drinking the UN koolaid. John Bolton is a frequent commentator--what other network would interview a fierce critic of the UN's many weaknesses?

840 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 11:20:43am

ROMNEY/BOLTON 12!

841 bellamags  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 11:20:51am

I think I am going to go watch the carnage.

842 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 11:21:21am

Hello. I must be going.

BBL, if yer lucky.

843 alegrias  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 11:22:42am

re: #807 Opinionated

I know what you mean. What is really depressing is how she is prophetic and simply ignored while those who are always wrong always remain influential to be wrong again.

* * **
Share your favorite reporters' works with your network of family & friends. We must help our contacts expand their world view.

We have a job to do! Helping "change" minds to face the facts.

844 newsjunkie_ky  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 11:23:20am

Because of his actions thus far anything that happens to this Country and our Troops will be on his head alone.
I blamed the clinton adm. for 9/11. Since then President Bush put measures into place to protect us.
Now this POS poserinchief has wiped out those security measures.
Pray for the Country.

845 albusteve  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 11:23:43am

re: #839 alegrias

* * * *
Unlike the media you rightfully distrust, in my opinion, FOX News Cable really went after the UN Oil For Food Scandal perpetrators. I was so proud of Fox reporters Eric Shawn and Jonathan Hunt hounding corrupt UN officials about missing BILLIONS of tax dollars.

Just one example of Fox News not drinking the UN koolaid. John Bolton is a frequent commentator--what other network would interview a fierce critic of the UN's many weaknesses?

it's good to point that....it softens some of my cynicism, which is growing by leaps and bounds lately

846 Marvo76  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 11:24:16am

re: #837 Kenneth
The one question I have to ask these pundits that prosscribe "diplomatic means" is, at what point do we say, enough is enough, on diplomacy and put the matter to armed intervention? None of them can or will answer this because, they don't have the testicular fortitude to actually act on it...

847 debutaunt  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 11:24:20am

re: #767 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

When the Gaza War began, Charles got some hate mail describing us Lizards as "cannibalistic Zionist honcos."

The LGF Dictionary should be updated to include "honcos."

It has taken on a Spartacus feel now.

848 BigMoo  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 11:24:43am

re: #813 Iron Fist

I love that term-'shit or go blind' (LMAO).
Never forget..."Stupid is as stupid does"....

849 opnion  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 11:26:40am

I just took a look at the Creationist thread. Four deletions so far, but they were comments saying not to post Creationism.
So far it's pretty civil.It seems to get more 'colorful" at night with liquor.

850 alegrias  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 11:26:48am

re: #821 realwest

Ah, nevermind my "?" at #800!

* * *
Hello, Sir Real!
I figured you'd see the exchange. Always glad to see you on these threads, Sir, before you go to lunch.

851 newsjunkie_ky  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 11:27:45am

Al Franken’s effort to block Norm Coleman’s lawsuit over the U.S. Senate recount was rejected Thursday by a three-judge panel, setting the stage for a trial to begin Monday on the Republican’s claims.
State election law doesn’t undermine the Senate’s constitutional power to later judge the qualifications of its members, the judges said in denying Franken’s request to dismiss the election contest, as the lawsuit is called.
The panel also rejected Franken’s attempt to limit any court review to verifying math and other technicalities of the recount and canvass, clearing the way for the judges to consider Coleman claims that some votes in Democratic areas were counted twice, that some absentee ballots from GOP areas were wrongly rejected and that there were other irregularities.
The panel noted that the Minnesota Supreme Court had ruled that while those claims shouldn’t be decided during the recount, they “would be properly heard in an election contest” in court.

Via Hot Air
Yea!

852 Amer-I-Can  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 11:28:42am

**sound of silent weeping**

853 pygmalienation  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 11:29:38am

When we get hit again, not only am I going to hold the Obama Administration responsible, but everyone who voted for him as well. This is beyond idiocy--that pure spite would trump securing this nation and it's citizens. The truth about this guy was out there for all to see if they had just taken even a cursory glance at the evidence. People I talked to about my concerns prior to the election were very dismissive. I'm know a lot of you folks have to use commercial aviation as a requirement for employment. Thankfully I don't have to for a living, but I won't be going on any vacations for a while (not that I ever do, but...)

854 thefallingman  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 11:30:37am

Not to worry. Everybody knows that we will never be attacked again because Bush is gone and The One is now in power. Therefore, we are beloved of all nations and peoples and free from any threat. But if it does happen again we can always just blame Bush.

855 Kenneth  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 11:32:53am

re: #846 Marvo76

I don't think the author of that paper was recommending a purely diplomatic approach. He was commenting on what will likely happen and what Obama will be faced with if he follows his largely diplomatic approach (with limited military action in Afghanistan). History has shown that a strong military can help leverage diplomatic efforts, while a weak military posture will undermine even the best diplomacy.

No ingenious diplomatic argument will convince the Iranians to stop their nuclear weapons program. Yet Obama does not seem willing to take any other approach, nor will he support Israel taking military action. So the end result will be a nuclear armed Iran within a year's time.

I don't think the US general public is prepared for the kind of world that debacle will result in.

856 shanec99  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 11:33:24am

Looks like I am the only one here... but I am not going over there... no way, will log out soon and say good night if we don't get another thread.

857 alegrias  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 11:33:41am

re: #852 Amer-I-Can

**sound of silent weeping**

* * * *
Your nic is Amer-i-can, and you're weeping?

Get a grip or get out of my fox hole!

It's time to put our game face on & get ready to roll, like the brave Americans on Flight United 93 who relied on themselves to take the Al Qaedans down.

Remember the passengers who fought back on United 93 took no prisoners the day we were attacked.

858 Kenneth  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 11:34:25am

re: #849 opnion

I avoid those threads. I've said all I have to say on the topic. The comments simply go round and round without resolution.

859 newsjunkie_ky  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 11:34:26am

re: #856 shanec99

Looks like I am the only one here... but I am not going over there... no way, will log out soon and say good night if we don't get another thread.


I hear ya, I avoid those threads. Don't read the post or the comments.

860 Kenneth  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 11:35:26am

re: #856 shanec99

Dude, I'm staying away. No point in standing among 2 tribes of monkeys flinging poo.

861 shanec99  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 11:35:45am

re: #857 alegrias
Yeah, but I don't like wars of attrition, I prefer to make the fool die a martyrs death for his cause and I will live to celebrate ours.

862 midwestgak  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 11:35:55am

re: #858 Kenneth

I avoid those threads. I've said all I have to say on the topic. The comments simply go round and round without resolution.

Ditto.

863 newsjunkie_ky  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 11:36:01am

re: #857 alegrias

* * * *
Your nic is Amer-i-can, and you're weeping?

Get a grip or get out of my fox hole!

It's time to put our game face on & get ready to roll, like the brave Americans on Flight United 93 who relied on themselves to take the Al Qaedans down.

Remember the passengers who fought back on United 93 took no prisoners the day we were attacked.

Good point!
I'm fighting back by emailing my list of all the horrendous crap obamalama is doing.

864 gmsc  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 11:36:51am

re: #852 Amer-I-Can

**sound of silent weeping**

Youtube Video
865 doppelganglander  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 11:37:26am

re: #856 shanec99

Looks like I am the only one here... but I am not going over there... no way, will log out soon and say good night if we don't get another thread.

Come on over. It's barely on topic at this point.

866 WriterMom  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 11:38:18am

I'm staying on this thread~

867 Kenneth  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 11:39:37am

re: #866 WriterMom

Hey!

868 Buck  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 11:40:24am

greggriffith... it seems strange that you would waste your one comment a month with that crap.

869 shanec99  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 11:40:30am

re: #860 Kenneth

Dude, I'm staying away. No point in standing among 2 tribes of monkeys flinging poo.


Its worse than that... its intellectual fratricide. One group of Lizards beating up on another over things that they all agree on because of a mis-spoken word here or there.
Most reasonable people agree with the science of evolution is rock solid... there is no reason for me to repeat that fact ad nauseum. Nope, not going over there... nope, no way.

870 Silhouette  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 11:41:08am

OT

Pope launches YouTube channel, considers Facebook

R there TXT abrevs 4 latin?

871 Dave the.....  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 11:41:10am

Of course we do not want Americans to die so someone can say "I told you so". But to make a point, this is one area where everyone can point a finger at Obama if (when?) a major attack occurs (unless it occurs...say in the next couple of months).

Other things, like inflationary policies, brutal new hate crimes laws, war on free enterprise, etc, most people don't make the connection between a liberal President and congress, and their local store being put out of business due to gov't mandates and harrassment.

872 Amer-I-Can  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 11:41:32am

re: #857 alegrias

OK, OK! Quit yelling already! I was trying my "gentler softer" approach... They keep giving me the stink eye every time that vein in my forehead starts to pulse at the mention of PBO...

873 newsjunkie_ky  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 11:41:54am

re: #869 shanec99

Its worse than that... its intellectual fratricide. One group of Lizards beating up on another over things that they all agree on because of a mis-spoken word here or there.
Most reasonable people agree with the science of evolution is rock solid... there is no reason for me to repeat that fact ad nauseum. Nope, not going over there... nope, no way.


Then stop discussing it here.

874 shanec99  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 11:41:54am

re: #866 WriterMom

I'm staying on this thread~

We can dance together if we are the only ones remaining... I hope you like reggae.

875 Silhouette  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 11:42:46am

re: #874 shanec99

We can dance together if we are the only ones remaining... I hope you like reggae.

Only the stuff by Ethel Merman.

876 alegrias  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 11:43:55am

Besides, weeping and wailing over our "new" reality isn't likely to attract much less win over, thinking people, much less our friends, family, colleagues.

We must radiate positive energy, not doom & gloom. We must find the silver lining in this situation. We must make life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness exciting again.

Remember Reagan was a happy sunny warrior even in the midst of the Cold War. Democrats switched over to become Reagan Democrats, when they realized he was right, their party had left them and gone lunatic fringy.

We must be prepared, rational, reasonable, radiating confidence & the desire to win. Like our troops.

877 alegrias  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 11:45:38am

re: #870 Silhouette

OT


R there TXT abrevs 4 latin?


* * * *
Remember the previous Pope helped topple the Soviet Union with his holy rays! (And Margaret Thatcher & Ronald Reagan & other good souls)

878 ceemack  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 11:47:29am

re: #848 BigMoo

I love that term-'shit or go blind' (LMAO).
Never forget..."Stupid is as stupid does"....


I've always heard it as "I didn't know whether to s--t or go blind, so I closed my eyes and farted."

879 WriterMom  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 11:48:02am

re: #874 shanec99

I'm not so great with reggae...but if you spin some 70s funk, 80s classics, a little klezmer or hip hop, I'm with the program.

880 Creeping Eruption  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 11:48:03am

re: #874 shanec99

We can dance together if we are the only ones remaining... I hope you like reggae.

While I won't dance with you, I sure do love reggae. Better a reggae thread than a creationist thread (not that there is anything wrong with that)

881 WriterMom  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 11:48:22am

re: #867 Kenneth

Hey you, too!

882 WriterMom  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 11:49:32am

re: #790 Nevergiveup

We can hang together...

883 shanec99  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 11:50:06am

Pope John Paul was a tough old Polish guy, he said he knew that communism was a rotting, hollow tree, and all he did was shake it. Wonderful picture isnt it... kind of like my picture of radical Islamism, a painful pilonidal cyst waiting to rupture.

884 brookly red  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 11:50:38am

re: #880 Creeping Eruption

a dread thread?

885 Creeping Eruption  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 11:52:40am

re: #884 brookly red

a dread thread?

Maybe, but next door it seems to be a Dread, Beat an' Blood thread

886 shanec99  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 11:52:58am

re: #879 WriterMom

I'm not so great with reggae...but if you spin some 70s funk, 80s classics, a little klezmer or hip hop, I'm with the program.


I am Jamaican... see my avitar... Little Chinese, Little Jewish, little African blood. Gotta love the reggae, calypso and ska.
Hip hop, well the underwear exposed and baggy pants... not my style.

887 WriterMom  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 11:53:09am

re: #884 brookly red

HAHAHAHHAHAHAHA

Good one.

888 WriterMom  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 11:54:04am

re: #886 shanec99

Hip hop is good for running and work outs, etc..I like the mild stuff not that gangsta sh*t.

889 shanec99  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 11:54:09am

re: #880 Creeping Eruption

While I won't dance with you, I sure do love reggae. Better a reggae thread than a creationist thread (not that there is anything wrong with that)

Can't get very much good reggae in Africa, unfortunately.

890 alegrias  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 11:54:30am

re: #883 shanec99

Pope John Paul was a tough old Polish guy, he said he knew that communism was a rotting, hollow tree, and all he did was shake it. Wonderful picture isnt it... kind of like my picture of radical Islamism, a painful pilonidal cyst waiting to rupture.

* * *
Yes, I loved the tv movie about Karol Woytila's life (sorry mangled his name).

Polish John Paul survived the German invasion of his country during WWII, survived being tossed into a stone quarry to work for his evil illegal German okkupiers, survived the Stalinist Russian take over of his country, and beat them at their own game by aligning with people of good will.

We can learn a lot from Pope John Paul about beating two fascist evil empires while wearing red slippers & long robes!

891 shanec99  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 11:54:53am

re: #888 WriterMom

Hip hop is good for running and work outs, etc..I like the mild stuff not that gangsta sh*t.


Hip hop is big in Israel?

892 brookly red  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 11:55:03am

re: #885 Creeping Eruption OK I'll stay here...

893 Creeping Eruption  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 11:55:52am

re: #889 shanec99

Can't get very much good reggae in Africa, unfortunately.

Is that where you are?

894 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 11:56:22am

re: #891 shanec99

Hip hop is big in Israel?

Yeah, actually. Some good artists coming up there.

895 shanec99  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 11:57:19am

re: #893 Creeping Eruption

Is that where you are?


Yep... until i get back to the states.

896 shanec99  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 11:59:49am

re: #894 SanFranciscoZionist

Yeah, actually. Some good artists coming up there.

Which ones?
I had assumed that Hip Hop was an urban artistic form more typically encountered in Western Europe and the US. I had not realized it had found a place in Israel's pop culture..

897 shanec99  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 12:01:31pm

re: #890 alegrias

* * *
Yes, I loved the tv movie about Karol Woytila's life (sorry mangled his name).

Polish John Paul survived the German invasion of his country during WWII, survived being tossed into a stone quarry to work for his evil illegal German okkupiers, survived the Stalinist Russian take over of his country, and beat them at their own game by aligning with people of good will.

We can learn a lot from Pope John Paul about beating two fascist evil empires while wearing red slippers & long robes!


That old bird endured so much, assasination attempt, broken hip... and he was always steadfast and dignified. A powerful messenger.

898 [deleted]  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 12:01:57pm
899 Rancher  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 12:02:42pm

re: #890 alegrias

We can learn a lot from Pope John Paul about beating two fascist evil empires while wearing red slippers & long robes!


Activist in pajamas.

900 Dave the.....  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 12:04:35pm

Was listening to local left wing radio today. The host and her guest had a couple of novel ideas:

We should pay repreations to the Iraqis (I gues those 100s of billions we've spent on them so far doesn't count)

Both the US and Israel would be better liked if they built green projects in other countries instead of bombing them.

OF COURSE! Give Hamass some windmills and a compost pile and all is well! /

901 HippieforLife  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 12:04:39pm

re: #414 BigMoo

Okay, but do you remember Wunda Wunda?

902 Kenneth  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 12:06:19pm

Fear Hath No Shelf-Life: Our Torture Dilemma
by Robert D. Kaplan

"While torture is bad, the thoroughly humane approach, contrary to our desires, has its limits."

The torture debate is critical not only because it gets us to the core of our values, but because the danger to American cities is not from tanks and armies, but from individuals and their intentions. Saving thousands of American lives may come down to the gifts of a talented interrogator and the tools at his or her disposal. Remember that usually only in the movies does a prisoner spill the beans on an upcoming plot. As interrogators will tell you, information about terrorist activities tends to come in fragments that are assembled from scores of interrogations, even as the truth is distilled—accidentally almost—from a spewing forth of lies and subtle evasions. The front line of our defense against al-Qaeda and its offshoots is painstaking, tedious work that rewards those best able to fill in the blank spaces from a shattered jigsaw puzzle.

Stating flatly that torture doesn’t work is a narrow version of the truth. Torture may not work, but the fear of it can work wonders. When a prisoner is captured, you may want him to be roughly handled, and put in grim and disorienting surroundings, for that heightens the fear of what might happen to him next. “Fear is often an interrogator’s best ally, but it doesn’t have a long shelf life,” write Chris Mackey and Greg Miller, authors of The Interrogators: Inside the Secret War Against al-Qaeda, a very wise book by a former interrogator and a journalist.

Spreading rumors, rough treatment, grim conditions are all the very beginnings of a slippery path toward much worse things. To say that we cannot step even one foot along that path is impractical, for that would deprive the nation of vital intelligence and threaten to leave it defenseless. But to go far along that path is morally unbearable. So the debate is really about how far we do go.

My word, a liberal is thinking enhanced interrogation techniques might just be necessary.

903 shanec99  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 12:08:03pm

re: #900 Dave the.....

Was listening to local left wing radio today. The host and her guest had a couple of novel ideas:

We should pay repreations to the Iraqis (I gues those 100s of billions we've spent on them so far doesn't count)

Both the US and Israel would be better liked if they built green projects in other countries instead of bombing them.

OF COURSE! Give Hamass some windmills and a compost pile and all is well! /



Pay reparations to the Iraqis for freeing them from a dictator who raped, plundered and murdered at will.
Ask the Kurds what they think about that.

What fools occupy the Liberal media.

904 alegrias  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 12:10:27pm

re: #899 Rancher

Activist in pajamas.

* * *
Yes! That's why Charles Johnson of LGF rocks & deserves to be known around the world as a champion of freedom.

905 pygmalienation  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 12:11:01pm

re: #898 Iron Fist

I just have to wonder about airline safety degredation under HopenChange (I love that!). We know the Jihadis have been probing the aviation security vulnerabilities (cf: The Flying Imams). It's amazing to me that they have not succeeded in a major infrastructure attack. Of course, they would likely try a mass casualty attack rather than a strictly economic/strategic one given their murderous proclivities... As I said, fortunately I don't have to fly so I'll take a wait and see approach.

906 alegrias  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 12:12:55pm

re: #900 Dave the.....

Was listening to local left wing radio today. The host and her guest had a couple of novel ideas:

We should pay repreations to the Iraqis (I gues those 100s of billions we've spent on them so far doesn't count)

Both the US and Israel would be better liked if they built green projects in other countries instead of bombing them.

OF COURSE! Give Hamass some windmills and a compost pile and all is well! /

* * * *
Hello, America already "paid reparations"-- we gave Iraqis their country back to them from Saddam's grip. Iraqis now control their billions.

But shhhhh, this is top secret.

907 brookly red  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 12:14:06pm

re: #902 Kenneth

Do you get the feeling some of them may be having 2nd thoughts?

908 Spiny Norman  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 12:15:15pm

re: #752 gmsc

I keep seeing this word "honco" on LGF. What is a "honco"? I know what a honcho is, but a "honco"?

In case you're still reading this thread: sickening Zionist honcos.

909 Silhouette  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 12:15:34pm

re: #906 alegrias

* * * *
Hello, America already "paid reparations"-- we gave Iraqis their country back to them from Saddam's grip. Iraqis now control their billions.

But shhhhh, this is top secret.

Americans died to give them freedom, and we should apologize. It must be a dark world LLL live in, to hate their own identity so much they are willing to always believe we are evil.

910 Kenneth  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 12:15:41pm

re: #898 Iron Fist

I don't think the jihadis were exactly prepared for us to fight back the way we did. Sadly, if they did it now, they might be correct in that assumption.

Indeed Al Qaeda was not prepared at all for Bush's response. They thought the US would fire a few missiles, like Clinton did, or better yet, would lash out at Saudi Arabia where most of the hijackers came from. If the US had done that, the entire Muslim world would have united behind AQ. Osama also hoped Bush would have sent US troops into Pakistan to pursue the retreating Al Qaeda & Taliban. Instead, Bush pulled a brilliant jujitsu move by pulling US troops out of Saudi Arabia and into Iraq. The US shifted the center of gravity of the Middle East. Al Qaeda did not expect that and followed the US lead into Iraq where they were defeated, while alienating a good section of the Muslim world in the process.

911 Spiny Norman  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 12:17:27pm

re: #902 Kenneth

Fear Hath No Shelf-Life: Our Torture Dilemma
by Robert D. Kaplan

"While torture is bad, the thoroughly humane approach, contrary to our desires, has its limits."

My word, a liberal is thinking enhanced interrogation techniques might just be necessary.

That's because Bush is no longer President, no other reason.

912 Kenneth  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 12:18:45pm

re: #907 brookly red

Obama left himself plenty of wiggle room in his directive to close Gitmo, including the option to re-introduce "enhanced interrogation techniques", although he will likely rename it "enhanced community organizing" or some such thing.

913 Spiny Norman  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 12:19:01pm

re: #910 Kenneth

Indeed Al Qaeda was not prepared at all for Bush's response. They thought the US would fire a few missiles, like Clinton did, or better yet, would lash out at Saudi Arabia where most of the hijackers came from. If the US had done that, the entire Muslim world would have united behind AQ. Osama also hoped Bush would have sent US troops into Pakistan to pursue the retreating Al Qaeda & Taliban. Instead, Bush pulled a brilliant jujitsu move by pulling US troops out of Saudi Arabia and into Iraq. The US shifted the center of gravity of the Middle East. Al Qaeda did not expect that and followed the US lead into Iraq where they were defeated, while alienating a good section of the Muslim world in the process.

And the Loony Left will never forgive Bush for that.

914 hous bin pharteen  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 12:19:41pm

What are you guys worrying about?
The democratic party is done for. Libs are from democratic cities. They are going to save themselves ONLY if they abandon those crazy ideas. You think the muslim fundamentalists are going like liberal ideas? Leftists are going to finally realizes how stupid their ideas were, or die. Its like heads or tails. Heads, you loose it (your head), tails, you get in it the ass. If your are and intelligence person and live in the east coast cities, move before its to late. When enough of them wise up, or die from being so stupid, there is enough us sensible one's to clean the clock of these people against the US. Trust me on this. When you mess with the best, you are going to die like the rest.

915 brookly red  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 12:19:46pm

re: #910 Kenneth

let us hope it is not all un-done...

916 Kenneth  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 12:20:31pm

re: #913 Spiny Norman

Nope. The really won't forgive him for defying their wisdom and launching the Surge strategy which won the war in Iraq. He was supposed to lose, damn it!

917 Kenneth  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 12:21:14pm

re: #915 brookly red

Hey, ...he's only been president for a few days...give Obama time!

918 hazzyday  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 12:21:24pm

re: #92 buzzsawmonkey

The Republicans need a few high profile lawsuits against the MSM bias if they want to right their ship. It should be a priority for them to bring integrity back to the media.

919 Van Impe  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 12:21:52pm

How Things Have Changed in a Week
Imagine a High Value Target (HVT) is spotted by a predator drone flying over the hinterlands of Pakistan. A call comes into the Whitehouse seeking authorization to launch hellfire missiles to take out the HVT.
Last week:
GWB’s response: “if you’re certain that it’s a HVT, permission granted”.

Today:
BHO’s response: “Have you spoken to the Justice Department? Speak to Justice First.”

Justice Dept: “You’re doing what? You can’t spy on private citizens without a warrant, even when they are in Pakistan and only then if Pakistan gives its permission.

Military: “Pakistan turns a blind eye to these missions, sort of don’t ask don’t tell approach”.

Justice Dept: “Well President Obama’s Justice Dept does not turn a blind eye.”

Military: “But the HVT is getting away.”

Justice Dept.: “Well, if you provide a deposition showing probable cause, we could issue an international arrest warrant and the Pakistani authorities if they so choose can detain him for eventual extradition to the International Criminal Court in the Hague”

Military: “Forget it, the HVT is gone. Thanks for nothing. Sorry I wasted your time. Bye ”

Justice Dept: “Actually sir, I will need your name and the name of your commanding officers.”

Military: “Why”

Justice Dept. : “So can prepare a RICO indictment against all of you for conspiring to kill a foreign national.”

920 Kenneth  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 12:24:06pm

re: #919 Van Impe

Sad, but true.

921 hazzyday  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 12:24:29pm

re: #910 Kenneth

Indeed Al Qaeda was not prepared at all for Bush's response. They thought the US would fire a few missiles, like Clinton did, or better yet, would lash out at Saudi Arabia where most of the hijackers came from. If the US had done that, the entire Muslim world would have united behind AQ. Osama also hoped Bush would have sent US troops into Pakistan to pursue the retreating Al Qaeda & Taliban. Instead, Bush pulled a brilliant jujitsu move by pulling US troops out of Saudi Arabia and into Iraq. The US shifted the center of gravity of the Middle East. Al Qaeda did not expect that and followed the US lead into Iraq where they were defeated, while alienating a good section of the Muslim world in the process.

I agree with this, GWB did something in the Muslim world few people could do. Drag muslims kicking and screaming to a more modern practical life.

Human nature is like that. Isolated, festering illusionary wounds grow til they explode. Working together makes people change their old ideas.

What has Obama done in crisis? Throw the problem under the bus, hide it, vote not present.

922 razorbacker  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 12:25:35pm

It pays to be on good terms with the local sheriff.

It started weighing on my mind, the provenance of a .45 semi-auto pistol that had been given me. Where, exactly, had this gun come from that someone could value it so little that he would give it to me? Is it stolen? A weapon that has been used in a crime? What's up with that?

So, I pulled the clip, verified that there was nothing in the barrel, and went to visit the County Sheriff. Could you, I asked, run this gun and tell me if there is anything about it I should know?

You don't want me to do that, he explained. If I do run it, and it comes back bad, I'll have to confiscate it, and make you explain how you came by it. As it is, I've no reason to suspect you of anything, and since in the 16 years that you've been a county resident we've never been out to see you about anything I know that you follow the laws that matter. Don't go looking for trouble.

I thought about what he'd said on the way home. Don't go looking for trouble. That's good advise on so many levels.

923 brookly red  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 12:27:35pm

re: #918 hazzyday

The Republicans need a few high profile lawsuits against the MSM bias if they want to right their ship. It should be a priority for them to bring integrity back to the media.

I agree that lawsuits (if not prosecutions) are in order, but it would be hard to make them high profile if the MSM does not report them, no?

924 Silhouette  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 12:31:53pm

re: #919 Van Impe

Except today we killed some HVT in Pakistan.
Suspected US missile strike kills 18 in Pakistan

925 hous bin pharteen  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 12:33:00pm

re: #910 Kenneth

Truth, brother.
But The Stupid One wants to take troops out of Iraq and send them to the Stan. Hello? Any one home? (knocks on Obama's head)
I bet he is not home.
The Stan does not need more tanks, they already have S.O.C. units. The Ranger regiments and the NATO versions would be just fine.

926 brookly red  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 12:34:47pm

re: #922 razorbacker

IMHO, loose it PDQ. Don't hold on to trouble either.

927 brookly red  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 12:35:57pm

errr, that lose it PDQ - my bad

928 NoKoolAidForMe  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 12:36:48pm

I do not believe that the Messiah will serve out a full four years.

929 razorbacker  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 12:37:14pm

re: #925 House bin phaeton

Truth, brother.

The Stan does not need more tanks, they already have S.O.C. units. The Ranger regiments and the NATO versions would be just fine.

What, pray tell, could possibly go wrong with sending armored units into narrow, twisty mountain trails with no room to maneuver and countless overhead ambush points? I don't see what possibly could go wrong.

After all, it worked so well for the Soviets, back when there were Soviets.

930 Kenneth  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 12:39:22pm

re: #924 Silhouette

Better details here:

US strikes al Qaeda in North and South Waziristan
By Bill Roggio January 23, 2009 11:42 AM


The US launched two airstrkes inside of Paksitan's tribal areas on Friday, ending a three week lull in attacks against Taliban and al Qaeda networks inside Pakistan. Twenty people, including "foreigners" have been reported killed in the Predator strikes in the Taliban-controlled tribal agencies of North and South Waziristan.

The first attack took place in the town of Zera just outside of Mir Ali in North Waziristan. Three Hellfire missiles are reported to have struck a compound run by a local named Khalil, killing ten people.

The second strike took place in the town of Gangi Khel near Wana in Sourth Waziristan. Two Hellfire missiles were launched at a compound, killing ten more people.

931 Kenneth  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 12:42:31pm

re: #929 razorbacker

The Canadians have a few tanks in Af'stan and they do wonders. But they can't take them everywhere. The terrain is varied so a variety of options are required.

But Obama campaign talk about pulling troops out of Iraq so he can send them to Af'stan is crap. The Gates & Petraeus have already withdrawn more troops from Iraq than Obama will ever send to Af'stan.

932 robdouth  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 12:44:29pm

re: #134 Taqiyyotomist

Time to build a better Mouse-Trap

933 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 12:44:52pm

re: #900 Dave the.....

Was listening to local left wing radio today. The host and her guest had a couple of novel ideas:

We should pay repreations to the Iraqis (I gues those 100s of billions we've spent on them so far doesn't count)

Both the US and Israel would be better liked if they built green projects in other countries instead of bombing them.

OF COURSE! Give Hamass some windmills and a compost pile and all is well! /

Like the greenhouses in Gaza? Well, it would cheer up the Hamassholes for a while to destroy something from Israel.

934 twincitiesgirl  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 12:45:57pm

Does anyone else wish President Bush would open the western White House? I want to go to where it's safe. The only problem is there would probably be gridlock on all the roads leading to Texas.

/this has been a rough week

935 hous bin pharteen  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 12:49:45pm

re: #922 razorbacker
You may have drunk tank drivers accidents on the weekends.
Keep in mind, if I was a cop, I would be smart enough to know, if you used that in a crime, you would not bring it to the station. If you got it from someone who used it in a crime, you would be man enough to turn him in. THEN, I would be determined to get it back to you to acknowledge your good citizenship. But then, I am not a candy ass leftist.

936 capitalist piglet  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 12:52:03pm

re: #901 HippieforLife

Okay, but do you remember Wunda Wunda?

I met her! She invited me to sit in her garden while I was waiting for her neighbor, a friend of mine I used to work with in the music business, to get home.

She was so nice. I didn't grow up here, so I had no idea who she was. My friend didn't realize he lived next to her until that day.

937 yochanan  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 12:54:53pm

lets see
one sec. of the treasury who did not pay his taxes
one sec of state who's hubby takes money for gov'ts other than the U.S.

this gov't will go down with the likes of the Grant administration if not worse.

938 yochanan  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 12:57:20pm

re: #934 twincitiesgirl

Does anyone else wish President Bush would open the western White House? I want to go to where it's safe. The only problem is there would probably be gridlock on all the roads leading to Texas.

/this has been a rough week

alaska is looking a whole lot better
hot gov'r, and very far away from washington d.c.

939 razorbacker  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 1:00:16pm

re: #935 hous bin pharteen

The sheriff can truthfully be accused of being many things, but candy assed or leftist aren't in the list.

He's a nice, friendly guy trying to do a good job of a thankless task. Not quite Andy Griffith, but not that far off.

I've voted for him, and likely will again.

940 Code Red 21  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 1:14:47pm

I haven't read all of the comments but I'm sure they are along the same vein as mine only put differently...mine is that we are pretty much f'd. God help America and Israel because the politicians are going to get us all killed.

941 frred  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 1:35:49pm

re: #626 Walter L. Newton

Then you are going to miss a lot of news feeds because you are afraid of free speech. Pat is an antisemite and most of the non-Jewish Left and 1 billion Muslims are antisemites. What are you going to do, go run and hide in a corner whenever they speak? These people need to be challenged before they take over.

942 Irish Rose  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 1:37:59pm

If even ONE innocent American citizen dies in a terror attack on American soil because of this f*ing assholes' moronic "policy decisions" I'm going to be at the front of the line screaming for the bastards' impeachment!.

943 hous bin pharteen  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 1:41:12pm

re: #939 razorbacker What I did not mean was to take a shot at the sherrif. I do work in 8 county court houses, so I know how policians can screw things up. Half are liberal ones, half conservative. Guess which one's have more problems?......................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................Not fair! Don't cheat! You already know the answer!

944 the1sgjohns  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 1:56:55pm

That GITMO can be compared to a symbol that has weakened our standing, I ask you to compare GITMO to the killing houses of Badgad that our peace loving Jihad'ist ran. I ask which would the Iraq detainee most likely choose. That a detainee can go from there to running a terrorist cell in Yemen only speaks to the horrific treatment received. Oh wait, did reporter Pearlman get a chance to leave...F)(&)(&)& NO he didn't, he got a dull blade across the throat. SHEEEEZZ somebody get me a drink!

945 kansas  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 2:23:15pm

How quickly can he get a whole bunch of us killed?

946 stranded conservative  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 2:28:22pm

test

947 dino74  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 2:55:59pm

Does "O" know history? His hero Lincoln and FDR were big on eliminating habeas corpus during war

948 The False God  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 4:04:15pm

Just proving that foreigners who fight in violation of the Geneva Convention have more AMERICAN CIVIL RIGHTS than average Americans.

While we're at it, why don't we just give AMERICAN CIVIL RIGHTS to every living thing that crawls or walks this beautiful Earth? It will save time.

949 Joan  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 4:34:33pm

Blind, fatuous fools. They do not see our peril, they have chosen suffering, for all of us.

950 Joan  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 4:35:38pm

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Lest I been banned....
I need a shot in my coffee

Hear, hear. I'm foaming at the mouth, myself.

951 Joan  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 4:40:04pm

re: #22 Fat Jolly Penguin
"Obama nullified every legal order and opinion on interrogations issued by any lawyer in the executive branch after Sept. 11, 2001."

"WTH? Why?!"

....because he is better than us, silly.

952 Joan  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 4:41:57pm

re: #27 Big Steve

because they want to bring Bush/Cheney up on charges.

....because the Prom King wants to be popular.

953 Joan  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 4:50:40pm

re: #231 jcbunga

Can't you just see The One charging up Omaha Beach, pointing madly and screaming his fearsome war cry, "Arrest that man! Arrest that man!"...

Hah! Hahaha! ....you crack me up, I love that mental image. Warblecry of The Chinless One

954 Joan  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 4:56:36pm

re: #187 solomonpanting

"And here is the piece of paper which bears his name upon it....of the desire for our two peoples never to go to war with one another again."

Neville Chamberlain redux

955 Salem  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 4:57:21pm

If I were the terrorists, I wouldn't attack right now. The longer the Republicans are out of the picture, their infrastructure and strategy can thrive. On September 11th they were attempting cripple our ability to react while stirring us to launch a blind counterattack, throwing the whole world into conflict. But they've learned that stirring up the American people is not something they can expect to benefit from, so I think they will be more determined to hobble the US after it's softened up under 5-6 years of the anti-defense Dems.

Simply put, as long as Obama continues on this course, I think there's good reason to believe that the next attack on the US mainland won't come until his 2nd term.

956 Joan  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 5:17:18pm

re: #49 yma o hyd

From that article:
'During his campaign and again in his inaugural address Tuesday, Obama used a different lexicon to describe operations to defeat terrorists. "As for our common defense, we reject as false the choice between our safety and our ideals," he said. ". . . And for those who seek to advance their aims by inducing terror and slaughtering innocents, we say to you now that our spirit is stronger and cannot be broken; you cannot outlast us, and we will defeat you.'

Omigawd - PB0 thinks his rethoric will be sufficient. and so do his moonbat admirers.

In times of war, some of the ideals have to be suspended - why do they not understand that?

They believe that their finely tuned ethical sensibility, their exquisite grasp of cross-cultural issues, their well buttered persuasive dollops, will prevail over hostile regimes. They over-think everything, live in permanent disconnect from simple common sense.

They do know that it takes more than just words to plausibly demonstrate their ideals. While they do payoff whenever possible with pretty words, they know it will take active measures with objective consequences to prove to everyone's satisfaction their moral purity and nobility of purpose. That is why they are dangerous.

They will disable, demoralize, dismantle our protections in order to polish their halos. They will be saddened, discreetly disillusioned, wearily unsurprised when the Big Badda Boom blooms over our land.

"Bad people took control of Iran."
"The bad, stupid neocons did too much damage for us to repair in time." "Shocking how bad and stupid other people are!"
"Good that we, the wise and noble, are here to prove again our good intentions and desire for peace."

Remember elementary school? "If you had a brain you'd be dangerous."
That's them.

957 Tats66  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 5:27:55pm

Well, I don't believe what the Big O has done is bad for the country, because the media hasnt told me it is!

Also, in the Big O land of HopenChange, do the clouds taste like cotton candy?

958 Joan  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 5:40:06pm

re: #218 Stonemason

This group did not have enough time to read every opinion and for them to simply wipe them all out just 'cause they were written by ideological opposites is not only childish, but is leaving us in a very bad place.

I hope there are opinions in the wings, NOW, to be sent to all involved so they can keep working to keep us safe. If not, why not... a question I am afraid is not going to be asked directly of Mr Obama.


"Who DAres Question Me? Who Dares Ask A Question I Don't Like!" The Prom King is stern with troublesome scribblers. "Begone! Leave My Presence!"

Oh man, I gotta take a breath hear and stop hatin' on this guy so fierce. What a Poppinjay. What a maroon.

959 sngnsgt  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 5:42:36pm
Free, free, set them free...

/Sting

960 Joan  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 5:56:32pm

re: #955 Salem

I hope you are right, as that timeline gives the hope of influencing matters to a stronger posture. I fear, however, that you are optimistic.

Here's a different thought to cuddle up to: They want to destroy Israel. Israel has a big, strapping ally in the U.S. The U.S. has a few useful allies, staging areas, in the Middle East. So, Iran will first move in to topple and derail civil government in Iraq, forming an alliance with whoever is left to pose as the leader of Iraq. Iran will form a coalition of radical states to overrun and install radical governments in any remaining moderate Middle Eastern states, a sort of regional civil war to consolidate a power bloc and deprive Israel's ally of any staging area or operational base in the region.

Then, as Iran is about a year out from getting a nuke up and ready--they'll use it to destabilize the U.S. They'll use it, sadly, horribly, on our country, in our great city, as soon as they have it. They think, then, they can take the hated Crusader capital (Rome) and then take down Israel, and if they still cannot take down Israel with the U.S. reeling and fragmented and the heartland of Western Civilization destroyed--then they'll set their sights on claiming Europe. "Surely," they will think, "if we have Europe, and the home of the infidel faith, and the great Satan is crippled--surely then we can have our way with Israel."

They are not crazy, they are smart and determined and they have a plan.
It may not be this one, but it is on their radar screens to assault us, soon as ever they can do so--and Iran will have a nuke 12 - 18 months from now.

961 FrogMarch  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 6:02:36pm

excitable andy is Barry's puppet master.

962 ProUSA  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 8:43:27pm

re: #160 Wishing

Care to detail this? I wanna join the flame throwers.

No, I don't think you want to join in -- it's the name of Bill Ayers' radical manifesto for taking over the USA. Unless you like Ayers and Obama.

963 Jim C.  Sat, Jan 24, 2009 11:43:44pm
Obama nullified every legal order and opinion on interrogations issued by any lawyer in the executive branch after Sept. 11, 2001.

It is okay if I tell Dr. Changegov to go to hell now?

964 right_in_canada  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 6:30:41pm

re: #101 Wishing

I guess one good piece of news in the last few days is that MSM is starting to get a little p.o.'d with the Mystical One. His idea of transparency is apparently showcased in secretiveness and dodging.
I like it.
Let em rue the day they covered French kissed his sorry ass all the way to the White House with their MSM balderdash.

Fixed !


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