Overnight Hope-a-Dope

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Why dost thou converse with that trunk of humours, that bolting-hutch of beastliness, that swoln parcel of dropsies, that huge bombard of sack, that stuffed cloak-bag of guts, that roasted Manningtree ox with the pudding in his belly, that reverend vice, that grey iniquity, that father ruffian, that vanity in years?

William Shakespeare, Henry IV, Part 1

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1019 comments

1 Dustyvet  Sat, Jan 24, 2009 11:21:58pm

Ben[Gay...

2 Inquisitive  Sat, Jan 24, 2009 11:22:46pm

Is it that time....again....didn't notice how late it was.....

3 Dustyvet  Sat, Jan 24, 2009 11:22:56pm

re: #1 Dustyvet

Ben[Gay...

I'll bet he's really AC-DC...

4 gmsc  Sat, Jan 24, 2009 11:23:12pm

For English, we have the Shakespeare quote. For math, we have this:

5 Hard Right  Sat, Jan 24, 2009 11:24:25pm

re: #1 Dustyvet

Ben[Gay...

Never. Not even a little.

Overnight hope a dope...on a rope.

6 FurryOldGuyJeans  Sat, Jan 24, 2009 11:25:14pm

re: #1 Dustyvet

Ben[Gay...

You can never tell about Ben....would never have suspected he was bent.

7 FurryOldGuyJeans  Sat, Jan 24, 2009 11:26:05pm

re: #4 gmsc

For English, we have the Shakespeare quote. For math, we have this:


[Video]

And what for remedial shop?

8 gmsc  Sat, Jan 24, 2009 11:27:43pm

re: #7 FurryOldGuyJeans

And what for remedial shop?

9 FurryOldGuyJeans  Sat, Jan 24, 2009 11:28:04pm

re: #8 gmsc

[Video]

Heh ;)

10 Hard Right  Sat, Jan 24, 2009 11:30:01pm

It seems the Twister talk scared off the lizards.

11 freetoken  Sat, Jan 24, 2009 11:32:13pm

I've been having some internet interruptions the past few minutes... bandwidth shrinking to 0. Is this just local to me?

12 Inquisitive  Sat, Jan 24, 2009 11:32:14pm

re: #1 Dustyvet

Ben[Gay...

I am a woman with many men in my life....
I wake up with ARTHURitis and go to bed with BEN GAY....
I have breakfast with MR. COFFEE.....
Some evenings I watch TV with BEN and JERRY.....

13 Hard Right  Sat, Jan 24, 2009 11:32:42pm

re: #11 freetoken

I've been having some internet interruptions the past few minutes... bandwidth shrinking to 0. Is this just local to me?

Is you internet cold?
/

14 claspur  Sat, Jan 24, 2009 11:32:59pm

What does Obama and Osama have in common?

15 Hard Right  Sat, Jan 24, 2009 11:33:14pm

re: #12 Inquisitive

I am a woman with many men in my life....
I wake up with ARTHURitis and go to bed with BEN GAY....
I have breakfast with MR. COFFEE.....
Some evenings I watch TV with BEN and JERRY.....

You hussy.
/////

16 FurryOldGuyJeans  Sat, Jan 24, 2009 11:33:39pm

re: #14 claspur

What does Obama and Osama have in common?

An old joke that keeps getting repeated endlessly?

17 Hard Right  Sat, Jan 24, 2009 11:33:47pm

re: #14 claspur

What does Obama and Osama have in common?

They both have friends that have attacked America?

18 freetoken  Sat, Jan 24, 2009 11:33:55pm

re: #13 Hard Right

heh... but seriously, my local connection is fine... but throughput to the outside world is really strangled at times.

19 claspur  Sat, Jan 24, 2009 11:34:28pm

re: #16 FurryOldGuyJeans


Figured that in here. *snick

20 FurryOldGuyJeans  Sat, Jan 24, 2009 11:34:29pm

re: #18 freetoken

heh... but seriously, my local connection is fine... but throughput to the outside world is really strangled at times.

BLAME your ISP.

21 Rustler  Sat, Jan 24, 2009 11:34:31pm

So the Topic for the LNDT above is Questioning Obama on his accosciations?

Why dost thou converse with that trunk of humours, that bolting-hutch of beastliness(Hillary), that swoln parcel of dropsies, that huge bombard of sack(Michelle), that stuffed cloak-bag of guts(Fwanks), that roasted Manningtree ox with the pudding in his belly, that reverend vice(Rev. Wright), that grey iniquity, that father ruffian(Father Phelger), that vanity in years(Biden)?
But not quite sure who the others are.

22 Hard Right  Sat, Jan 24, 2009 11:34:34pm

re: #18 freetoken

heh... but seriously, my local connection is fine... but throughput to the outside world is really strangled at times.

Living in outer Siberia? Maximum security?
//

23 Rustler  Sat, Jan 24, 2009 11:35:14pm

re: #14 claspur
Beyond the fact that both have gfriends who blew up the pentagon?

24 shanec99  Sat, Jan 24, 2009 11:35:39pm

Well...yeah, something about overweight grown men twisting themselves into unnatural postures generally scare even the toughest and battle hardened veterans.

25 FurryOldGuyJeans  Sat, Jan 24, 2009 11:36:15pm

re: #24 shanec99

Well...yeah, something about overweight grown men twisting themselves into unnatural postures generally scare even the toughest and battle hardened veterans.

Eh? o_O

26 Hard Right  Sat, Jan 24, 2009 11:36:36pm

re: #24 shanec99

Well...yeah, something about overweight grown men twisting themselves into unnatural postures generally scare even the toughest and battle hardened veterans.

Sounds like a party in Hollywood.

27 gmsc  Sat, Jan 24, 2009 11:36:43pm

re: #14 claspur

What does Obama and Osama have in common?

This?

28 claspur  Sat, Jan 24, 2009 11:37:22pm

re: #21 Rustler

I start blameing it on McCain, to tell you the truth.
Then we must ask ourselves, why?

29 Killian Bundy  Sat, Jan 24, 2009 11:37:46pm

Introducing 'Pocket Obama': Must-have Anthology of Obama Quotes

Just in case you can't get through a day without some refreshing and uplifting words from the new president, the History Company has created the "Pocket Obama."

This is a tiny, pocket-sized book filled with "quotations borrowed from Barack Obama's speeches and writings."

According to its creators, "It is an unofficial requirement for every citizen to own, to read, and to carry this book at all times."

I kid you not.

/OBEY and order yours now!

30 FurryOldGuyJeans  Sat, Jan 24, 2009 11:37:49pm

re: #14 claspur

What does Obama and Osama have in common?

4 letters in their name?

31 Rustler  Sat, Jan 24, 2009 11:37:53pm

re: #21 Rustler
PIMF Assosciations not accosciations.

32 freetoken  Sat, Jan 24, 2009 11:38:11pm

Internet not in the best of health?

[Link: www.internettrafficreport.com...]

Then again, nothing looks too bad.

33 shanec99  Sat, Jan 24, 2009 11:38:13pm

re: #26 Hard Right

Sounds like a party in Hollywood.


I prefer Jello wrestling at the local bar. Much more aesthetically appealing.

34 Hard Right  Sat, Jan 24, 2009 11:38:20pm

re: #29 Killian Bundy

Introducing 'Pocket Obama': Must-have Anthology of Obama Quotes


/OBEY and order yours now!

(Puts gun in mouth and prepares to pull trigger.)

35 esch  Sat, Jan 24, 2009 11:38:47pm

re: #11 freetoken

Well, this is prime 'alternate' surfing time, so maybe your ISP is getting slammed.

36 FurryOldGuyJeans  Sat, Jan 24, 2009 11:38:50pm

re: #29 Killian Bundy

Introducing 'Pocket Obama': Must-have Anthology of Obama Quotes

/OBEY and order yours now!

Soon to be official.

37 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sat, Jan 24, 2009 11:38:55pm

weet dreams all!

38 Hard Right  Sat, Jan 24, 2009 11:39:02pm

re: #33 shanec99

I prefer Jello wrestling at the local bar. Much more aesthetically appealing.

You like to wrestle in jello? Whatever floats your boat...
//

39 FurryOldGuyJeans  Sat, Jan 24, 2009 11:39:33pm

re: #37 ggt

weet dreams all!

Later ggt

{hugs}

40 claspur  Sat, Jan 24, 2009 11:39:46pm

re: #32 freetoken

Tell that to the Chinese on-liners.

41 Dustyvet  Sat, Jan 24, 2009 11:39:50pm

In Chicago, it is illegal to take a French poodle to the opera.


sigh, well so much for that idea...:)

42 Killer Tomato  Sat, Jan 24, 2009 11:40:17pm

re: #36 FurryOldGuyJeans

Soon to be official.

I'm waiting for the CD I can play in the car during my commute.

//////////////////////////////////////

43 FurryOldGuyJeans  Sat, Jan 24, 2009 11:40:18pm

re: #33 shanec99

I prefer Jello wrestling at the local bar. Much more aesthetically appealing.

Nah, bedroom golf.

44 Inquisitive  Sat, Jan 24, 2009 11:40:40pm

re: #29 Killian Bundy

Introducing 'Pocket Obama': Must-have Anthology of Obama Quotes


/OBEY and order yours now!


Good Grief.....you have got to be kidding me!

45 Hard Right  Sat, Jan 24, 2009 11:40:53pm

re: #41 Dustyvet

In Chicago, it is illegal to take a French poodle to the opera.


sigh, well so much for that idea...:)

That is cruelty to animals. Husbands don't count.

46 FurryOldGuyJeans  Sat, Jan 24, 2009 11:41:10pm

re: #42 Killer Tomato

I'm waiting for the CD I can play in the car during my commute.

//////////////////////////////////////

You mean while you ride the public transportation bus, right?

47 Inquisitive  Sat, Jan 24, 2009 11:41:22pm

re: #37 ggt

weet dreams all!

Good night ggt....and keep warm!

48 claspur  Sat, Jan 24, 2009 11:41:36pm

re: #43 FurryOldGuyJeans


49 gmsc  Sat, Jan 24, 2009 11:41:37pm

re: #37 ggt

weet dreams all!

Good night, ggt!

50 Render  Sat, Jan 24, 2009 11:41:51pm

re: #3 Dustyvet

Wanna see automotive sadness personified?

[Link: www.carsinbarns.com...]


re: #11 freetoken

Clear all of your cookies and caches. Reboot your modem (if cable) and or router. Reboot your PC. Slap the monitor. Blame your ISP.

ALL OF
THE ABOVE,
R

51 freetoken  Sat, Jan 24, 2009 11:41:54pm

re: #40 claspur

You just reminded me... I read lately that there are now more people online in China than North America. Not sure how reliable that data is... but I would not be surprised.

52 gmsc  Sat, Jan 24, 2009 11:42:07pm

You know, I really can't argue with post #48.

53 shanec99  Sat, Jan 24, 2009 11:42:28pm

re: #38 Hard Right

You like to wrestle in jello? Whatever floats your boat...
//

Prefer to watch it... rather than view Hollywood parties. Well parties at the Playboy mansion are not bad to watch.

54 Rustler  Sat, Jan 24, 2009 11:42:33pm

re: #44 Inquisitive It's full of such witticisms as UMM. umm umm umm. Also contains we must be fair, and comeon guys I'm not here for an interview.

55 FurryOldGuyJeans  Sat, Jan 24, 2009 11:42:39pm

re: #48 claspur

Whatever you intended to say got lost in the aether.

56 Hard Right  Sat, Jan 24, 2009 11:43:38pm

re: #53 shanec99

Prefer to watch it... rather than view Hollywood parties. Well parties at the Playboy mansion are not bad to watch.

Ooooohhhh. Understandable. I hate it when sand gets in places I don't want.

57 FurryOldGuyJeans  Sat, Jan 24, 2009 11:43:58pm

re: #51 freetoken

You just reminded me... I read lately that there are now more people online in China than North America. Not sure how reliable that data is... but I would not be surprised.

Easier to hack government websites and classified servers when most everyone is asleep.

58 Killer Tomato  Sat, Jan 24, 2009 11:44:05pm

re: #46 FurryOldGuyJeans
What is this public transportation of which you speak?

59 Dustyvet  Sat, Jan 24, 2009 11:44:21pm

Minnesota

* It’s illegal to tease skunks.

That takes all the fun out of teasing Al Frankin.

60 shanec99  Sat, Jan 24, 2009 11:44:24pm

re: #51 freetoken

You just reminded me... I read lately that there are now more people online in China than North America. Not sure how reliable that data is... but I would not be surprised.


China's population is four times the US... it should not surprise anyone, as rapidly as China is transforming itself into an industrial and technological giant.

61 Rustler  Sat, Jan 24, 2009 11:44:57pm

re: #56 Hard Right
It's when it gets in the places you forgot you had or didn't know you had that the real problems come in tho.

62 Hard Right  Sat, Jan 24, 2009 11:45:08pm

re: #59 Dustyvet

Minnesota

* It’s illegal to tease skunks.

That takes all the fun out of teasing Al Frankin.

You insult skunks with that remark. You shall hear from their representatives.

63 Render  Sat, Jan 24, 2009 11:45:23pm

re: #29 Killian Bundy

Bad craziness out there.

SERIOUSLY,
R

64 shanec99  Sat, Jan 24, 2009 11:45:33pm

re: #56 Hard Right

Ooooohhhh. Understandable. I hate it when sand gets in places I don't want.


Yeah it hurts like hell when it gets into your eyes.

65 Inquisitive  Sat, Jan 24, 2009 11:45:38pm

re: #54 Rustler

It's full of such witticisms as UMM. umm umm umm. Also contains we must be fair, and comeon guys I'm not here for an interview.

Well....I will not be including it on my valentine, birthday, mothers day, or christmas...list.....

66 Hard Right  Sat, Jan 24, 2009 11:45:59pm

re: #61 Rustler

It's when it gets in the places you forgot you had or didn't know you had that the real problems come in tho.

Getting it out is what a significant other is for.
///

67 Render  Sat, Jan 24, 2009 11:46:33pm

re: #50 Render

hmm. Lemme try that again...

[Link: www.carsinbarns.com...]

YES
NO?,
R

68 Rustler  Sat, Jan 24, 2009 11:46:52pm

re: #65 Inquisitive
I recommend buying Failure to maintain the book will be grounds for reeducation. Plus there is a full days serving of Obama flavored Koolaid on each page.

69 Hard Right  Sat, Jan 24, 2009 11:47:20pm

re: #64 shanec99

Yeah it hurts like hell when it gets into your eyes.

It's nothing compared to pepper spray. Darn liberated women.
/////

70 FurryOldGuyJeans  Sat, Jan 24, 2009 11:47:32pm

re: #44 Inquisitive

Good Grief.....you have got to be kidding me!

Quite serious.

71 mikalm  Sat, Jan 24, 2009 11:47:43pm

Pickle terror!

72 Killer Tomato  Sat, Jan 24, 2009 11:48:27pm

gack - look at the time
nite all!

73 claspur  Sat, Jan 24, 2009 11:48:31pm

re: #51 freetoken

There's always been more populace in China than North America.

Don't patrinize me, son.

74 Hard Right  Sat, Jan 24, 2009 11:49:10pm

re: #72 Killer Tomato

gack - look at the time
nite all!

Good night and don't let the parasites bite.

75 shanec99  Sat, Jan 24, 2009 11:49:29pm

re: #69 Hard Right

It's nothing compared to pepper spray. Darn liberated women.
/////


Buy yourself one of those "Palestinian scarves", they seem to work well against tear gas.
(Ducking behind the desk).

76 SpaceJesus  Sat, Jan 24, 2009 11:49:40pm

I wonder if they had your mama jokes in Shakespeare's time

77 Hard Right  Sat, Jan 24, 2009 11:50:15pm

re: #75 shanec99

Buy yourself one of those "Palestinian scarves", they seem to work well against tear gas.
(Ducking behind the desk).

Great idea. What do I do about Tazers?

78 logboy  Sat, Jan 24, 2009 11:50:31pm

Every time I read The Taming of the Shrew, it reminds me of my wife. Anyone else have this problem?

79 Inquisitive  Sat, Jan 24, 2009 11:50:51pm

re: #68 Rustler

I recommend buying Failure to maintain the book will be grounds for reeducation. Plus there is a full days serving of Obama flavored Koolaid on each page.


Well...h#ll....why didn't you mention the Koolaid on the last post.....now I just have to have one..... and get one for all my family and friends.....BBL....got to go and order them now......
NOT! ! ! ! !

80 SpaceJesus  Sat, Jan 24, 2009 11:50:59pm

thine mother art so rotund, that when she doth layeth around the cottage, she layeth around the cottage!

81 Hard Right  Sat, Jan 24, 2009 11:51:00pm

re: #78 logboy

Every time I read The Taming of the Shrew, it reminds me of my wife. Anyone else have this problem?

I have never met your wife. ;)
//////

82 Cicero05  Sat, Jan 24, 2009 11:51:15pm

re: #78 logboy

Every time I read The Taming of the Shrew, it reminds me of my wife. Anyone else have this problem?

It reminds me of your wife too.

83 shanec99  Sat, Jan 24, 2009 11:51:22pm

re: #74 Hard Right

Good night and don't let the parasites bite.


Cant stop them... they hold all the power now.

84 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Jan 24, 2009 11:51:27pm

Howse about some old school stoner metal?

G'nite Lizards. Sleep well, and dream of large liberated women.

85 claspur  Sat, Jan 24, 2009 11:51:41pm

re: #75 shanec99


Liberated women carry handguns in their bags now, hand over fist.

I say, good for them. :o)

86 Rustler  Sat, Jan 24, 2009 11:51:48pm

re: #76 SpaceJesus
Yep but back then they were called Thou Mother jokes.

87 Inquisitive  Sat, Jan 24, 2009 11:52:05pm

re: #72 Killer Tomato

gack - look at the time
nite all!

Looked at the time......good nite

88 shanec99  Sat, Jan 24, 2009 11:52:49pm

re: #77 Hard Right

Great idea. What do I do about Tazers?

Scream "don't taze me bro"... and you will get every lawyer within the sound of your voice to respond.

89 Hard Right  Sat, Jan 24, 2009 11:52:52pm

re: #83 shanec99

Cant stop them... they hold all the power now.

I mean the non-human kind. Uh, wait. I mean the insect kind. Shoot. Uhhhh, you know what I mean, right?

90 Rustler  Sat, Jan 24, 2009 11:53:36pm

re: #89 Hard Right
You mean the kind that fits under a shoe?

91 Hard Right  Sat, Jan 24, 2009 11:53:56pm

re: #85 claspur

Liberated women carry handguns in their bags now, hand over fist.

I say, good for them. :o)

That's why I hit on liberal women. They are "gun free zones."
//

92 shanec99  Sat, Jan 24, 2009 11:55:20pm

re: #89 Hard Right

I mean the non-human kind. Uh, wait. I mean the insect kind. Shoot. Uhhhh, you know what I mean, right?


Yeah I do... they are on TV all the time now, talking about taxes and stuff like that.

93 Hard Right  Sat, Jan 24, 2009 11:55:20pm

re: #88 shanec99

Scream "don't taze me bro"... and you will get every lawyer within the sound of your voice to respond.

No good. I look white. I'll have to scream I'm a latino before they help me. By then it's too late.

94 Hard Right  Sat, Jan 24, 2009 11:56:28pm

re: #90 Rustler

You mean the kind that fits under a shoe?

re: #92 shanec99

Ding! Ding! Ding!
Thanks.

Yeah I do... they are on TV all the time now, talking about taxes and stuff like that.

No, those are vermin. We seem to elect our parasites.

95 mikalm  Sat, Jan 24, 2009 11:56:28pm

re: #93 Hard Right

Hard Right, which firearm's business end is on your user icon?

96 FurryOldGuyJeans  Sat, Jan 24, 2009 11:56:59pm

re: #72 Killer Tomato

gack - look at the time
nite all!

I'm going to miss her /
A tomato ate my sister

theme song - Attack of the Killer Tomatoes

97 gmsc  Sat, Jan 24, 2009 11:57:14pm

re: #29 Killian Bundy

Introducing 'Pocket Obama': Must-have Anthology of Obama Quotes

Strangely enough, I have a car that, when it's having trouble, makes that very same noise: "Poc-ket-o-bam-uh, poc-ket-o-bam-uh"

98 Hard Right  Sat, Jan 24, 2009 11:57:19pm

re: #95 mikalm

Hard Right, which firearm's business end is on your user icon?

91/30 ex-PU sniper.

99 FurryOldGuyJeans  Sat, Jan 24, 2009 11:57:57pm

re: #78 logboy

Every time I read The Taming of the Shrew, it reminds me of my wife. Anyone else have this problem?

I don't.....I'm reminded of my ex-wife, though.

100 Hard Right  Sat, Jan 24, 2009 11:58:00pm

re: #96 FurryOldGuyJeans

I'm going to miss her /
A tomato ate my sister

theme song - Attack of the Killer Tomatoes

They took Oklahoma , but gave it right back
Tomato
Tomato

101 Hard Right  Sat, Jan 24, 2009 11:58:35pm

re: #95 mikalm

Hard Right, which firearm's business end is on your user icon?

Ooops. Mosin Nagant 91/30 ex-PU sniper.

102 shanec99  Sat, Jan 24, 2009 11:58:54pm

re: #95 mikalm

It looks like the sight picture that I used to look at from the friendly end of a M-4 in Iraq.

103 gmsc  Sat, Jan 24, 2009 11:59:24pm

re: #100 Hard Right

They took Oklahoma , but gave it right back
Tomato
Tomato

That reminds me of this T-shirt.

104 Hard Right  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 12:00:15am

re: #102 shanec99

It looks like the sight picture that I used to look at from the friendly end of a M-4 in Iraq.

Welcome back. Glad you're here and thank you.

105 Hard Right  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 12:02:13am

re: #103 gmsc

That reminds me of this T-shirt.

Attack of the Killer Tomatoes. Best worst movie, ever!

106 shanec99  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 12:02:45am

re: #104 Hard Right

Welcome back. Glad you're here and thank you.


Left Iraq in June 06. Was assigned to a MiTT up at Taji.

107 FurryOldGuyJeans  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 12:03:26am

re: #86 Rustler

Yep but back then they were called Thou Mother jokes.

Thine Mother ;)

108 FurryOldGuyJeans  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 12:03:50am

re: #105 Hard Right

Attack of the Killer Tomatoes. Best worst movie, ever!

They are doing a remake.

109 Hard Right  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 12:04:52am

Pick up the pace folks. I'm hammered and out posting you!re: #108 FurryOldGuyJeans

They are doing a remake.

GOD NO!
You can't duplicate such genius.

110 gmsc  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 12:05:04am

Our Beer,
Which art in Barrels.
Hallowed be thy drink,
Thy will be drunk,
I will be drunk,
At home, as it is in the pub.
Forgive us this day our daily spillages,
as we forgive those that spill against us.
For thine is the beer,
The Bitter and the Lager,
For ever and ever,
Barman.

111 Hard Right  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 12:06:19am

re: #110 gmsc

Our Beer,
Which art in Barrels.
Hallowed be thy drink,
Thy will be drunk,
I will be drunk,
At home, as it is in the pub.
Forgive us this day our daily spillages,
as we forgive those that spill against us.
For thine is the beer,
The Bitter and the Lager,
For ever and ever,
Barman.

Drinkin' anythin' in particular?
Killed a 24oz. HG Hurricane. Working on a 24oz. Miller High Life.

112 gmsc  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 12:07:21am

re: #111 Hard Right

Drinkin' anythin' in particular?
Killed a 24oz. HG Hurricane. Working on a 24oz. Miller High Life.

Right now? Dr. Pepper is the only thing in the fridge. Grocery shopping is tomorrow!

113 Hard Right  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 12:08:34am

re: #112 gmsc

Right now? Dr. Pepper is the only thing in the fridge. Grocery shopping is tomorrow!

You'd have to drink a lot of that just to get buzzed.
Drinking on Sunday is usually no fun. That whole not being hung over at work on Monday thing...

114 MarineGrunt  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 12:12:06am

Hope-a-Dope?

More like dope of hope.

115 Hard Right  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 12:13:03am

Hope a dope....on a steeeck.

116 Hard Right  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 12:16:08am

Damn. All the lizards went to bed early.

117 Erik The Red  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 12:16:48am

re: #116 Hard Right

Damn. All the lizards went to bed early.

Still a few here. Lurking may bring out some bad jokes.

118 Inquisitive  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 12:17:39am

re: #116 Hard Right

Damn. All the lizards went to bed early.

What....when....you mean...I'm not a lizard....

119 MarineGrunt  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 12:17:43am

Where's the rooster, I miss that damn rooster.

IDF, lets get some action going before the tunnels are operational again.

120 traderjoe9  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 12:17:57am

Less than 1 million Indians work in IT and software technology, yet they bring in more than half of India's revenue!

121 thefarmer  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 12:19:27am

Hope?

This just made me think, I know we'll all survive this "One", but it's the first time at an inauguration I ever actually felt a sense of dread. Kinda weird feeling.

T

122 logboy  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 12:20:28am

re: #114 MarineGrunt

Hope-a-Dope?

More like dope of hope.

I have an idea for product! We'll sell it at LGF and make millions! It's called "Hope on a Rope". It's a lot like your typical soap on a rope, but instead of just a bar of soap, it's a little soap Obama head. Get to your garage and start making soap lizards, we are going to be rich!

123 Erik The Red  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 12:20:32am

A family are driving behind a garbage truck when a dildo flies out and
thumps against the windscreen.

Embarrassed, and to spare her young son's innocence, the mother turns around
and says, "Don't worry; that was an insect."


To which, her son replies, "I'm surprised it could get off the ground with a
huge d1ck like that."

124 Bob Dillon  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 12:20:37am

Charles - just posted this upstairs - time stamp seems a bit off. Reloaded - still same.

A new Pentagon report may complicate Obama's plans for Gitmo
newsweek.com (clicks: 0)
0 Bobibutu 3 weeks, 6 days ago

125 Hard Right  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 12:21:05am

re: #117 Erik The Red

Still a few here. Lurking may bring out some bad jokes.

Are there any other kind?

re: #118 Inquisitive

What....when....you mean...I'm not a lizard....

You are always a lizard. Even when you aren't.

126 logboy  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 12:21:35am

re: #120 traderjoe9

Less than 1 million Indians work in IT and software technology, yet they bring in more than half of India's revenue!

Thank you for calling Dell, how may I help you?

127 shanec99  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 12:21:36am

re: #120 traderjoe9

Less than 1 million Indians work in IT and software technology, yet they bring in more than half of India's revenue!

Never before in the history of human endeavors have so few done so much for so many... paraphrasing Sir Winston.

128 Bob Dillon  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 12:21:51am

re: #124 Bobibutu

Charles - just posted this upstairs - time stamp seems a bit off. Reloaded - still same.

A new Pentagon report may complicate Obama's plans for Gitmo
newsweek.com (clicks: 0)
0 Bobibutu 3 weeks, 6 days ago

Corrected on refresh ...

129 Hard Right  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 12:23:09am

re: #124 Bobibutu

Charles - just posted this upstairs - time stamp seems a bit off. Reloaded - still same.

A new Pentagon report may complicate Obama's plans for Gitmo
newsweek.com (clicks: 0)
0 Bobibutu 3 weeks, 6 days ago

Noooo. Reality bends to "The One." Not the other way around. Get with it.
//

130 MarineGrunt  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 12:23:17am

re: #122 logboy

I think I saw a link to one of them a few days ago, had candles and other crap like that

131 shanec99  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 12:24:20am

re: #122 logboy

I have an idea for product! We'll sell it at LGF and make millions! It's called "Hope on a Rope". It's a lot like your typical soap on a rope, but instead of just a bar of soap, it's a little soap Obama head. Get to your garage and start making soap lizards, we are going to be rich!


I am not so sure that I would try to sell anything with the President's head attached to, or hanging from a rope... it might be misinterpreted even if you were very innocent.

132 Erik The Red  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 12:24:37am

Ten Commandment of Marriage

Commandment 1:
Marriages are made in heaven. But so again, are thunder and lightning...

Commandment 2:
If you want your wife to listen and pay strict attention to every
word you say, talk in your sleep...

Commandment 3:
Marriage is grand -- and divorce is at least 100 grand!

Commandment 4:
Married life is very frustrating. In the first year of marriage, the
man speaks and the woman listens. In the second year, the woman
speaks and the man listens. In the third year, they both speak and
the neighbors listen...

Commandment 5:
When a man opens the door of his car for his wife, you can be sure of
one thing: Either the car is new or the wife is...

Commandment 6:
Marriage is when a man and woman become as one; the trouble starts
when they try to decide which one...

Commandment 7:
Before marriage, a man will lie awake all night thinking about
something you say. After marriage, he will fall asleep before you
finish...

Commandment 8:
Every man wants a wife who is beautiful, understanding, economical,
and a good cook. But the law allows only one wife...

Commandment 9:
Marriage and love are purely matter of chemistry. That is why wife
treats husband like toxic waste...

Commandment 10:
A man is incomplete until he is married. After that, he is finished...

133 Hard Right  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 12:25:05am

re: #131 shanec99

I am not so sure that I would try to sell anything with the President's head attached to, or hanging from a rope... it might be misinterpreted even if you were very innocent.

Damned PC world.

134 BlueCanuck  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 12:25:35am

re: #122 logboy


Too late, someone has already done it. :)

135 rawmuse  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 12:25:43am

re: #131 shanec99

I am not so sure that I would try to sell anything with the President's head attached to, or hanging from a rope... it might be misinterpreted even if you were very innocent.

I already got a bobble head on the dash, with a big spleef on it.

136 MarineGrunt  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 12:26:45am

re: #126 logboy

Verizon too, three hours to fix a problem with high speed modem connection.

137 BlueCanuck  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 12:26:51am

re: #132 Erik The Red

Commandment 10:
A man is incomplete until he is married. After that, he is finished...


Ahhh, but there is life after divorce. :)

138 Erik The Red  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 12:27:13am

One day, in line at the works cafeteria, Dave says to Mike behind him,
"My elbow hurts like hell. I suppose I'd better see a doctor!"

"Listen mate ; don't waste your time down at the surgery", Mike replies.

"There's a diagnostic computer at Tesco. Just give it a urine sample and
the computer will tell you what's wrong, and what to do about it.

It takes ten seconds and only costs five quid....a lot quicker and better
than a doctor and you get Clubcard points".

So Dave collects a urine sample in a small jar and takes it to Tesco. He
deposits five pounds and the computer lights up and asks for the urine
sample. He pours the sample into the slot and waits.

Ten seconds later, the computer ejects a printout:
"You have tennis elbow. Soak your arm in warm water and avoid heavy
activity. It will improve in two weeks".

That evening while thinking how amazing this new technology was, Dave
began wondering if the computer could be fooled.

He mixed some tap water, a stool sample from his dog, urine samples from
his wife and daughter, and "pleasured himself" into the mixture for good
measure.

Dave hurried back to Tesco, eager to check what would happen.

He deposits five pounds, pours in his concoction, and awaits the results
with a grin .

The computer prints the following:

1) Your tap water is too hard. Get a water softener.

2) Your dog has ringworm. Bathe him with anti-fungal shampoo.

3) Your daughter has a cocaine habit.. Get her into rehab.

4) Your wife is pregnant. Twins. They aren't yours. Get a lawyer.

5) And if you don't stop playing with yourself, your elbow will never get
better....

Thank you for shopping at Tesco

139 gmsc  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 12:27:57am

re: #122 logboy

I have an idea for product! We'll sell it at LGF and make millions! It's called "Hope on a Rope". It's a lot like your typical soap on a rope, but instead of just a bar of soap, it's a little soap Obama head. Get to your garage and start making soap lizards, we are going to be rich!

So, you're suggesting we market a black man's head at the end of a rope under the LGF brand name? Somehow, I don't think Charles will approve.

140 shanec99  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 12:28:24am

re: #133 Hard Right

Damned PC world.

It is part of the world we live in... deal with it or purchase your one casket, because the other side will bury you.

141 MarineGrunt  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 12:28:47am
142 MarineGrunt  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 12:30:32am

re: #134 BlueCanuck

Yikes, same page.

143 Hard Right  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 12:30:33am

re: #140 shanec99

It is part of the world we live in... deal with it or purchase your one casket, because the other side will bury you.

At least I get laid in the coffin (rimshot).

144 rawmuse  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 12:30:42am

I got the wacky wobbler kind, and no, I did not pay this much.
The spleef was an accessory.

145 Erik The Red  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 12:30:56am

A man was at his country club for his weekly round of golf. He began his
round with an eagle on the first hole and a birdie on the second. On the
third hole he had just scored his first ever hole-in-one when his cell phone
rang.

It was a doctor notifying him that his wife had just been in a terrible
accident and was in critical condition and in the ICU. The man told the
doctor to inform his wife where he was and that he'd be there as soon as
possible. As he hung up he realized he was leaving what was shaping up to be
his best ever round of golf.

He decided to get in a couple of more holes before heading to the hospital.
He ended up playing all eighteen, finishing his round shooting a personal
best 61, shattering the club record by five strokes and beating his previous
best game by more than 10. He was jubilant.... then he remembered his wife.

Feeling guilty he dashed to the hospital. He saw the doctor in the corridor
and asked about his wife's condition. The doctor glared at him and shouted,
"You went ahead and finished your round of golf didn't you! I hope you're
proud of yourself! While you were out for the past four hours enjoying
yourself at the country club your wife has been languishing in the ICU! It's
just as well you went ahead and finished that round because it will be more
than likely your last! For the rest of her life she will require 'round the
clock care. And you'll be her care giver!"

The man was feeling so guilty he broke down and sobbed. The doctor snickered
and said, "Just messing with you. She's dead. What'd you shoot?"

146 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 12:31:05am

re: #84 Slumbering Behemoth

Right. And for the eyelet counting, boot stomping, belangers out there, this.

Ya know you are, and ya know you do.

147 BlueCanuck  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 12:33:22am

re: #142 MarineGrunt

Weak in the google-fu you are. Practice more you must. ;)

148 MarineGrunt  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 12:34:32am

re: #147 BlueCanuck

Two finger keyboard jock, not much speed.

149 Bob Dillon  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 12:35:21am

re: #129 Hard Right

Noooo. Reality bends to "The One." Not the other way around. Get with it.
//

Strange as it may seem - my disgust for Zer0 morphs into compassion for him from time to time and it's only been - what? 4 days.

150 logboy  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 12:35:22am

re: #134 BlueCanuck

Too late, someone has already done it. :)

Dammit! I got ripped off!

151 gmsc  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 12:36:08am

About 80% of Americans can name all the parts of this:


Only about 60% of American can name all the parts of this:

Source - Digital Journal : More Americans can recall Big Mac Ingredients than Ten Commandments

152 The Other Les  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 12:36:32am

re: #53 shanec99

Prefer to watch it... rather than view Hollywood parties. Well parties at the Playboy mansion are not bad to watch.

If you've seen one surgically inflated peroxide blonde bimbo, you've seen them all.

153 Hard Right  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 12:37:31am

re: #149 Bobibutu

Strange as it may seem - my disgust for Zer0 morphs into compassion for him from time to time and it's only been - what? 4 days.

Hmmmm. I don't have that problem myself. Then again, I am pure evil...and that's according to my parents, and my ex-girlfriends, and the local police, and the FBI...

154 Erik The Red  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 12:38:17am

School 1960 vs 2007

Scenario: Johnny and Mark get into a fistfight after school.

1960 - Crowd gathers. Mark wins. Johnny and Mark shake hands and end up
mates.

2007 - Police are called, Armed Response Unit arrives and arrests Johnny and
Mark. Mobiles with video of fight confiscated as evidence. They are charged
with assault, ASBOs are taken out and both are suspended even though Johnny
started it. Diversionary conferences and parent meetings conducted. Video
shown on 6 internet sites.


Scenario: Jeffrey won't sit still in class, disrupts other students.

1960 - Jeffrey is sent to the principal's office and given 6 of the best.
Returns to class, sits still and does not disrupt class again.

2007 - Jeffrey is given huge doses of Ritalin. Counselled to death. Becomes
a zombie. Tested for ADD. School gets extra funding because Jeffrey has a
disability. Drops out of school.

Scenario: Billy breaks a window in his neighbour's car and his Dad gives him
the slipper.

1960 - Billy is more careful next time, grows up normal, goes to college,
and becomes a successful businessman.

2007 - Billy's dad is arrested for child abuse. Billy is removed to foster
care and joins a gang. Psychologist tells Billy's sister that she remembers
being abused herself and their dad goes to prison. Billy's mum has an affair
with the psychologist. Psychologist gets a promotion.

Scenario: Mark, a college student, brings cigarettes to school .

1960 - Mark shares a smoke with the school principal out on the smoking
area.

2007 - Police are called and Mark is expelled from School for drug
possession. His car is searched for drugs and weapons.

Scenario: Johnny takes apart leftover firecrackers, puts them in a model
plane paint bottle and blows up an anthill.

1960 - Ants die.

2007 - MI5 and police are called and Johnny is charged with perpertrating
acts of terrorism. Teams investigate parents, siblings are removed from the
home, computers are confiscated, and Johnny's dad goes on a terror watch
list and is never allowed to fly again.

Scenario: Johnny falls during break and scrapes his knee. His teacher, Mary,
finds him crying, and gives him a hug to comfort him.

1960 - Johnny soon feels better and goes back to playing.

2007 - Mary is accused of being a sexual predator and loses her job. She
faces three years in prison. Johnny undergoes five years of therapy.
Becomes gay.

155 Hard Right  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 12:38:30am

re: #152 The Other Les

If you've seen one surgically inflated peroxide blonde bimbo, you've seen them all.

Can I get an AMEN? Give me 100% biodegradable women anyday.

156 Bob Dillon  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 12:38:42am

re: #145 Erik The Red

Do you deliver this stuff stand up or are we the only beneficiaries of this profound wit?

157 MarineGrunt  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 12:38:51am

The sculpted soap bust of Obama reminds me of the banjo playing kid in Deliverance.

158 Noam Sayin'  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 12:39:47am

re: #132 Erik The Red

For a man to be happy.

For a man to be happy, he must have a woman who keeps a neat house. He must also have a woman who can cook a mean meal. This man must also have a woman who shares many of his interests, but has many of her own. Finally, this man must have a woman who matches and amplifies his urges in the bedroom.

Most importantly, for a man to be happy, it's very important that these bitches never meet.

*ducks*

159 Bob Dillon  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 12:40:06am

re: #153 Hard Right

Hmmmm. I don't have that problem myself. Then again, I am pure evil...and that's according to my parents, and my ex-girlfriends, and the local police, and the FBI...

Maybe I should try a little sage smudging.

160 Syrah  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 12:40:10am

re: #131 shanec99

Agreed. That soap thing was a very bad idea.

Obama will give us plenty of opportunities to oppose him based on the lunacy of his policies.

We can leave the soap out of it.

161 Hard Right  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 12:41:13am

re: #159 Bobibutu

Maybe I should try a little sage smudging.

It may work. You'd have to kill an entire rainforrest for me...or would that defeat the purpose?

162 gmsc  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 12:41:24am

re: #156 Bobibutu

Do you deliver this stuff stand up or are we the only beneficiaries of this profound wit?

Or both?

163 logboy  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 12:42:09am

re: #157 MarineGrunt

The sculpted soap bust of Obama reminds me of the banjo playing kid in Deliverance.

How about a butter Obama

164 gmsc  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 12:42:24am

re: #131 shanec99

I am not so sure that I would try to sell anything with the President's head attached to, or hanging from a rope... it might be misinterpreted even if you were very innocent.

re: #139 gmsc

So, you're suggesting we market a black man's head at the end of a rope under the LGF brand name? Somehow, I don't think Charles will approve.

GMTA!

165 Hard Right  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 12:42:50am

re: #163 logboy

How about a butter Obama

Yet the actual obama is more slippery...

166 logboy  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 12:43:05am

re: #158 Noam Sayin'

For a man to be happy.

For a man to be happy, he must have a woman who keeps a neat house. He must also have a woman who can cook a mean meal. This man must also have a woman who shares many of his interests, but has many of her own. Finally, this man must have a woman who matches and amplifies his urges in the bedroom.

Most importantly, for a man to be happy, it's very important that these bitches never meet.

*ducks*

I've been trying to tell my wife that for months now.

167 Erik The Red  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 12:43:43am

"Your Holiness," said one of the Cardinals, "Mr. Sharon wants to challenge
you to a game of golf to show that you are old and unable to compete.
I am afraid that this would tarnish our image in the world."

The Pope thought about this and since he had never held a golf club in his
life asked
"Don't we have a Cardinal to represent me?"

"None who plays golf very well," a Cardinal replied."But," he added, "there
is a man named Jack Nicklaus,
an American golfer, who is a devout Catholic.

We can offer to make him a Cardinal, and then ask him to play Mr. Sharon as
your personal representative.

In addition to showing our spirit of cooperation, we will also win the
match."

Everyone agreed that this was a great idea. The call was made. Of course,
Nicklaus was honoured

and he agreed to play as a representative of the Pope.

The day after the match, Nicklaus reported to the Vatican to inform the Pope
of the result.

"This is Cardinal Nicklaus.

I have some good news and some bad news, Holiness," said the golfer.

"Tell me the good news, Cardinal Nicklaus," said the Pope.

"Well, Your Holiness, I don't like to brag, but even though I have played
some pretty terrific rounds of golf in my life, this is the best I have ever
played, by far.

I must have been inspired from above.

My drives were long and true, my irons were accurate and purposeful, and my
putting was perfect.

With all due respect, my play was truly miraculous.

"How then can there be bad news?"

Nicklaus sighed "I lost by three strokes to Rabbi Tiger Woods."

168 Hard Right  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 12:44:27am

re: #166 logboy

I've been trying to tell my wife that for months now.

I tend to view getting married like gambling in Vegas. Fun for a short while, but overall a bad idea.

169 Erik The Red  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 12:44:37am

re: #156 Bobibutu

Do you deliver this stuff stand up or are we the only beneficiaries of this profound wit?

All stand up. Please if you must throw thinks make them soft.

170 Bob Dillon  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 12:45:03am

re: #161 Hard Right

It may work. You'd have to kill an entire rainforrest for me...or would that defeat the purpose?

I don't know - maybe we could get Al to figure out the carbon thingy on that before proceeding.

171 Inquisitive  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 12:45:07am

re: #166 logboy

I've been trying to tell my wife that for months now.


Ah...logboy...the whole idea is...NOT...to tell your wife...LOL

172 logboy  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 12:45:08am
173 logboy  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 12:45:45am

re: #168 Hard Right

I tend to view getting married like gambling in Vegas. Fun for a short while, but overall a bad idea.

And both will make you broke very quickly.

174 shanec99  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 12:46:32am

re: #152 The Other Les

If you've seen one surgically inflated peroxide blonde bimbo, you've seen them all.


ok, and so I will look at them all if given the time.

175 Hard Right  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 12:47:03am

re: #170 Bobibutu

I don't know - maybe we could get Al to figure out the carbon thingy on that before proceeding.

For the low, low, price of one millillion ninety five, you too can be saved by the earth goddess...

176 Hard Right  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 12:47:48am

re: #173 logboy

And both will make you broke very quickly.

Ding! Ding! Ding! Plus one for staying awake.

177 MarineGrunt  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 12:49:22am

re: #164 gmsc

So, you're suggesting we market a black man's head

But, but, it's a blue head.

178 Bob Dillon  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 12:49:45am

re: #144 rawmuse

BTW - welcome home - I am envious.

179 Hard Right  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 12:50:35am

re: #177 MarineGrunt

But, but, it's a blue head.

There are such sites on the internet...

180 gmsc  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 12:52:03am

re: #177 MarineGrunt

But, but, it's a blue head.

Which one?

181 MarineGrunt  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 12:52:46am

re: #179 Hard Right

LOL, where.

182 BlueCanuck  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 12:53:21am

re: #177 MarineGrunt

But, but, it's a blue head.

For some reason I feel violated.

/white smoke.

183 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 12:53:36am

re: #151 gmsc

For some reason, your second video link reminds me of this.

184 shanec99  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 12:53:52am

re: #143 Hard Right

At least I get laid in the coffin (rimshot).


What are you? a vampire?
Only a vampire would admit to having sex in a coffin.

185 Inquisitive  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 12:54:00am

Good night....got to go and lay this head on a pillow for awhile....

186 Erik The Red  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 12:54:09am

Why Parents Drink

The boss wondered why one of his most valued employees had not phoned in
sick one day. Having an urgent problem with one of the main computers,
he dialled the employee's home phone number and was greeted with a
child's whisper.

" Hello "

"Is your daddy home?" he asked.

" Yes ," whispered the small voice.

May I talk with him?"

The child whispered, " No .."

Surprised and wanting to talk with an adult, the boss asked, "Is your
Mommy there?"

" Yes .."

"May I talk with her?"

Again the small voice whispered,

" No

Hoping there was somebody with whom he could leave a message, the boss
asked,

"Is anybody else there?"

" Yes ," whispered the child, "a policeman ".

Wondering what a cop would be doing at his employee's home, the boss asked,

"May I speak with the policeman?"

" No, he's busy ", whispered the child.

"Busy doing what?"

" Talking to Daddy and Mommy and the Fireman ," came the whispered answer.

Growing more worried as he heard a loud noise in the background through
the earpiece on the phone, the boss asked, "What is that noise?"

" A helicopter " answered the whispering voice.

"What ! is going on there?" demanded the boss, now truly apprehensive.

Again, whispering, the child answered,

" The search team just landed a helicopter ."

Alarmed, concerned and a little frustrated the boss asked,

"What are they searching for?"

Still whispering, the young voice replied with a muffled giggle...

"ME ."

187 Bob Dillon  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 12:54:38am

re: #169 Erik The Red

All stand up. Please if you must throw thinks make them soft.

Up dings - thanks for the laughs - new material to my ears.

188 shanec99  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 12:56:50am

re: #186 Erik The Red

I would beat his ass.

189 Bob Dillon  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 12:57:07am

re: #186 Erik The Red

I pulled off something like that once - just once.

190 Erik The Red  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 12:57:17am

Grandmother and her grandson do shopping at the Supermarket.

Grandma: "Diploma, give me the sugar. Diploma put down that packet of
sweets."
Cashier: "Granny, is your grandson's name Diploma?"
Grandma: "Yes."
Cashier: Why 'Diploma'?
Grandma: "Because I sent my daughter to university and this is what she
brought back."

191 [deleted]  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 12:58:58am
192 shanec99  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 12:59:19am

re: #167 Erik The Red

"Your Holiness," said one of the Cardinals, "Mr. Sharon wants to challenge
you to a game of golf to show that you are old and unable to compete.
I am afraid that this would tarnish our image in the world."

The Pope thought about this and since he had never held a golf club in his
life asked
"Don't we have a Cardinal to represent me?"

"None who plays golf very well," a Cardinal replied."But," he added, "there
is a man named Jack Nicklaus,
an American golfer, who is a devout Catholic.

We can offer to make him a Cardinal, and then ask him to play Mr. Sharon as
your personal representative.

In addition to showing our spirit of cooperation, we will also win the
match."

Everyone agreed that this was a great idea. The call was made. Of course,
Nicklaus was honoured

and he agreed to play as a representative of the Pope.

The day after the match, Nicklaus reported to the Vatican to inform the Pope
of the result.

"This is Cardinal Nicklaus.

I have some good news and some bad news, Holiness," said the golfer.

"Tell me the good news, Cardinal Nicklaus," said the Pope.

"Well, Your Holiness, I don't like to brag, but even though I have played
some pretty terrific rounds of golf in my life, this is the best I have ever
played, by far.

I must have been inspired from above.

My drives were long and true, my irons were accurate and purposeful, and my
putting was perfect.

With all due respect, my play was truly miraculous.

"How then can there be bad news?"

Nicklaus sighed "I lost by three strokes to Rabbi Tiger Woods."

An instant classic.

193 Rustler  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 12:59:34am

re: #122 logboy It already exists.

194 gmsc  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 1:00:19am

re: #193 Rustler

It already exists.

Really? You think someone would've linked to it by now.
;)

195 gmsc  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 1:00:35am

re: #183 Slumbering Behemoth

For some reason, your second video link reminds me of this.

That's good! I like it!

196 Erik The Red  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 1:00:50am

A woman goes to her boyfriend's parents' house for Christmas dinner.

This is to be her first time meeting the family and she is very nervous.
They all sit down and begin eating a fine meal.

The woman is beginning to feel a little discomfort, thanks to her
nervousness and the broccoli casserole. The gas pains are almost making her
eyes water. Left with no other choice, she decides to relieve herself a
bit and lets out a dainty fart.

It wasn't loud, but everyone at the table heard the poof.
Before she even had a chance to be embarrassed, her boyfriend's father
looked over at the dog that had been snoozing under the woman's chair,
and said in a rather stern voice, "Skippy!".

The woman thought, "This is great!" and a big smile came across her face.
A couple of minutes later, she was beginning to feel the pain again
This time, she didn't even hesitate. She let a much louder and longer
rrrrrip.

The father again looked at the dog and yelled, "Dammit Skippy!"
Once again the woman smiled and thought "Yes!" A few minutes later the
woman had to let another rip. This time she didn't even think about it.
She let a fart rip that rivaled a train whistle blowing.

Once again, the father looked at the dog with disgust and yelled, "Dammit
Skippy, get away from her, before she shits on you!"

197 itellu3times  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 1:01:58am

re: #154 Erik The Red

Scenario: Barry, a clean and articulate black kid, is good at telling stories, but not so good turning in his homework.

1960 - Barry grows up, makes a decent living as a barber, telling tales.

2008 - ...

198 shanec99  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 1:03:27am

re: #191 Iron Fist

They've got a new taser product coming out. It can be fired from a speciallt modified shotgun. IIRC, it's a Mossberg. Going for the less lethal weapons. What is funny is that, if I'm reading it right civillians aren't supposed to be able to get them.

That makes no sense. If someone breaks into my house I can shoot them with a semi-automatic rifle loaded with hollowpoints (which aren't permitted in land warfare), and the cops will just come clean up the mess, but I can't even own the less-lethal option. That doesn't make a lick of sense.


That makes a lot of sence... murderers and rapists who invade your home to rape your wife, terrorize your children and plunder the reward for your hard work deserve a lethal response.
At least our government gets something right.
Now stop complaining.
(ducks behind the desk)

199 [deleted]  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 1:04:14am
200 gmsc  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 1:04:20am

re: #197 itellu3times

Scenario: Barry, a clean and articulate black kid, is good at telling stories, but not so good turning in his homework.

1960 - Barry grows up, makes a decent living as a barber, telling tales.

2008 - ...

I assume he still grows up, makes a decent living, and still tells tales?

201 itellu3times  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 1:05:15am

re: #199 Iron Fist

Gummy Baracks.

202 gmsc  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 1:06:31am

18 Nutty Pieces of Obama Merchandise (And more in the comments!)

203 Erik The Red  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 1:07:53am

She was in the kitchen preparing to boil eggs for breakfast.
He walked in; she turned and said
You've got to make love to me this very moment."
His eyes lit up and he thought,

"This is my lucky day."
Not wanting to lose the moment, he embraced her
and then gave it his all;
right there on the kitchen table.
Afterwards she said,

"Thanks,"
and returned to the stove.
More than a little puzzled, he asked,

"What was that all about?"
She explained,

"The egg timer's broken."

204 Bob Dillon  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 1:07:58am

re: #191 Iron Fist

They've got a new taser product coming out. It can be fired from a speciallt modified shotgun. IIRC, it's a Mossberg. Going for the less lethal weapons. What is funny is that, if I'm reading it right civillians aren't supposed to be able to get them.

That makes no sense. If someone breaks into my house I can shoot them with a semi-automatic rifle loaded with hollowpoints (which aren't permitted in land warfare), and the cops will just come clean up the mess, but I can't even own the less-lethal option. That doesn't make a lick of sense.

[Link: blog.wired.com...]

We can't have these in CA. Go figure.

205 BlueCanuck  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 1:08:20am

re: #199 Iron Fist

*whimper* please don't make me link that one. . . . . . .

206 Rustler  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 1:09:25am

re: #194 gmsc
Yeah I missed all the intermittant ones thought i got new comments when i stepped back in.

207 Hard Right  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 1:09:32am

re: #191 Iron Fist

They've got a new taser product coming out. It can be fired from a speciallt modified shotgun. IIRC, it's a Mossberg. Going for the less lethal weapons. What is funny is that, if I'm reading it right civillians aren't supposed to be able to get them.

That makes no sense. If someone breaks into my house I can shoot them with a semi-automatic rifle loaded with hollowpoints (which aren't permitted in land warfare), and the cops will just come clean up the mess, but I can't even own the less-lethal option. That doesn't make a lick of sense.

I think I've seen it. It's a self contained unit, right? No long wires going to the shotgun?
Me? I don't believe in less than lethal solutions when my life or the lives of my loved ones are on the line.

208 logboy  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 1:10:11am

re: #200 gmsc

I assume he still grows up, makes a decent living, and still tells tales?

You forgot the part where he walks on water, and everyone worships him after drinking his "special" Kool-Aid.

209 Rustler  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 1:10:48am

re: #199 Iron Fist
Whats worse is the Obama silicone Phalluses.

210 Erik The Red  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 1:10:58am

A little boy about 12 years old is walking down the street dragging a
flattened frog on a string behind him. He came up to the doorstep of
"a house of ill repute" and knocked on the door.

When the Madam answered it, she saw the little boy and asked what he wanted.

He said, "I want to have sex with one of the women inside. I have the money
to buy it, and I'm not leaving until I get it.

The Madam figured, why not, so she told him to come in. Once in, she told
him to pick any of the girls he liked. He asked, "Do any of the girls have
any diseases?" Of course the Madam said "No".

The boy said, "I heard all the men talking about having to get shots after
making love with Amber - THAT'S the girl I want."

Since the little boy was so adamant and had the money to pay for it, the
Madam told him to go to the first room on the right.

He headed down the hall dragging the squashed frog behind him. Ten minutes
later he came back, still dragging the frog, paid the Madam, and headed out
the door.

The Madam stopped him and asked, "Why did you pick the only girl in the
place with a disease, instead of one of the others?"

He said, "Well, if you must know, tonight when I get home, my parents are
going out to a restaurant to eat, leaving me at home with a baby-sitter.
After they leave, my baby-sitter will have sex with me because she just
happens to be very fond of cute little boys. She will then get the disease
that I just caught. When Mum and Dad get back, Dad
will take the baby-sitter home. On the way, he'll give her one in the car
and he'll catch the disease.

Then when Dad gets home from the baby-sitter's, he and Mum will go to bed
and have sex, and Mum will catch it.

In the morning when Dad goes to work, the Milkman will deliver the milk,
have a quickie with Mum and catch the disease, and HE'S the prick that ran
over my frog.....

211 Rustler  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 1:11:50am

re: #199 Iron Fist
Check out Headostate . com for the confirmation on the last point. I linked it other night.

212 gmsc  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 1:12:04am

January is coming to an end in just over a week. That means the 0bamas will be in for the shock that all first families must deal with at the end of their first January: the bill!

Who Pays for the Obama Family’s Food?

Like all presidents, Barack Obama and his family will have to pay for their own food while they’re living in the White House. But does someone actually send them a bill? How does this system work?

President Obama may have his own executive chef now, but when his family and personal guests eat what’s coming out of the kitchen, he’ll have to foot the bill himself. Luckily for him, though, the government picks up the tab if he’s having a state function at the White House, which could get pricey since the White House’s website touts that its five chefs can crank out dinner for 140 or hors d’oeuvres for over a thousand people.

Does someone really keep track? Apparently, the White House functions like a luxury hotel in this regard. At the end of each month, the president receives a bill for his food and incidental expenses. Nancy Reagan was famously taken aback by this practice when an usher presented her first bill in 1981, saying, “Nobody ever told us the president and his wife are charged for every meal, as well as incidentals like dry cleaning, toothpaste, and other toiletries.” (Once they got used to the bills, though, the Reagans loved the White House; President Reagan often joked that all the amenities made it like living in an eight-star hotel.)

The president and his family get to pick what snacks they want, what brand of toothpaste they use, and what menu they want the chef to prepare for them, but it can still get a bit pricier than new commanders in chief expect. In a fascinating article in this month’s National Geographic, former White House chief usher Gary Walters said that he couldn’t remember any first families not complaining about the high prices of the food. Walters added that Rosalynn Carter was particularly miffed by the high-priced fare, which must have been a bit more expensive than what she’d been getting in Georgia.

213 gmsc  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 1:12:35am

re: #209 Rustler

Whats worse is the Obama silicone Phalluses.

Phalli?

214 logboy  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 1:12:48am

re: #204 Bobibutu

[Link: blog.wired.com...]

We can't have these in CA. Go figure.

Why would you want to? They look really expensive. A box of 00 buckshot is only eight bucks.

215 Bob Dillon  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 1:13:27am

re: #210 Erik The Red

Never underestimate the mind of a child.

216 Rustler  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 1:15:19am

re: #213 gmsc
Yeah I wasn't quite sure on proper terminology Is it the same singular or plural, is the us dropped for I, or just give it the es. I just dropped the es onto it.

217 shanec99  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 1:15:28am

re: #210 Erik The Red

Good grief.... what a nasty little fiend.
Dude you owe me a key board... I was having lunch when I read that.

218 Hard Right  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 1:15:45am

re: #214 logboy

Why would you want to? They look really expensive. A box of 00 buckshot is only eight bucks.

Too funny. Sorry, but your survival wasn't within my budget. LOL.

219 [deleted]  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 1:16:01am
220 Rustler  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 1:16:09am

Image: il_430xN.37495635.jpg Is a major insult.

221 gmsc  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 1:16:54am

re: #216 Rustler

Yeah I wasn't quite sure on proper terminology Is it the same singular or plural, is the us dropped for I, or just give it the es. I just dropped the es onto it.

You're safe either way, as both are correct. Phalli just sounds funnier for internet use.
;)

222 Rustler  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 1:17:22am

re: #219 Iron Fist
Well killing the bastard means he can't come back a sue becasue the taser made him piss and shit himself.

223 gmsc  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 1:18:17am

re: #220 Rustler

[Link: 2.bp.blogspot.com...] Is a major insult.

I wonder if they have one with his face on the Crazy Horse Memorial?

224 Bob Dillon  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 1:19:14am

re: #214 logboy

Why would you want to? They look really expensive. A box of 00 buckshot is only eight bucks.

My Rem 870 even with a sawed off 18" barrel is a bit bulky for out of home excursions.

And the cops frown on carrying it in the car.

/

225 Rustler  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 1:19:56am

re: #223 gmsc
I'm sure there isn't Calling Obama a crazy horse face would be racist.

226 shanec99  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 1:20:42am

re: #219 Iron Fist
Then if we agree shush... or the Liberals will change that one good idea that government has regarding weapons and personal defense.

227 Rustler  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 1:20:51am

re: #224 Bobibutu Thats why you attach a holster under the driver seat and keep a 45 in the car.

228 Hard Right  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 1:22:27am

re: #227 Rustler

Thats why you attach a holster under the driver seat and keep a 45 in the car.

Under the driver's seat? Hell, I want a holster affixed to my dash. ;)

229 gmsc  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 1:23:10am
230 Hard Right  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 1:23:34am

re: #229 gmsc

Just Some Very Strange Portraits of Barack Obama

Just click.

No. And you can't make me.

231 shanec99  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 1:24:02am

re: #228 Hard Right

Under the driver's seat? Hell, I want a holster affixed to my dash. ;)


In some communities that would be increasing the incentive for the thieves to steal your car.

232 Erik The Red  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 1:24:07am

The madam opened the brothel door to see a rather slick, well dressed,
gentleman.

She asked, "Can I help you?"

"I want to see Natalie," he replied.

"Sir, Natalie is one of our most expensive ladies, perhaps you should
see someone else." "No, I must see Natalie."

Just then Natalie appears and announced to the man that she charged $10 000
per visit.
Without blinking the man reached into his pocket and handed her $10 000. The
two went up to the room for an hour.

The next night he appeared again, demanding to see Natalie. Natalie
explained that it
was rare for anyone to come back two nights in a row and that there was no
discount, her price remained at $10 000 a visit.
Again the man took out the money, the two went up to the room, and an hour
later he left. When he showed up on the third consecutive night, no one
could believe it. Again he handed Natalie $10 000, and they went up to the
room.

At the end of an hour Natalie questioned the man: "No one has ever used my
services for three nights in a row. Where are you from?"
The gentleman replied, "I'm from Phoenix."
"Really," she replied. "I have family there."
"Yes, I know," said the gentleman. "Your father died and I am your sister's
attorney.

She asked me to give you your $30 000 inheritance."

233 [deleted]  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 1:25:59am
234 Hard Right  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 1:26:01am

re: #231 shanec99

In some communities that would be increasing the incentive for the thieves to steal your car.

Tis but a jest. I like to keep my "traveling companion" a secret.

235 BlueCanuck  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 1:26:14am

re: #229 gmsc

Just Some Very Strange Portraits of Barack Obama

Just click.

I don't think I have seen such abject deification of a modern politician like this. The nearest I can think of is Trudeau-mania here in Canada back in 67-68.

/well I don't EXACTLY remember it, but learne about it from history.

236 shanec99  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 1:26:43am

re: #232 Erik The Red
Now that must have been service with a smile.

237 [deleted]  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 1:27:19am
238 Hard Right  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 1:27:44am

re: #229 gmsc

Just Some Very Strange Portraits of Barack Obama

Just click.

It helps me to understand how Hitler rose to power. No, I am not calling obama Hitler...

239 gmsc  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 1:28:18am

re: #237 Iron Fist

Who are those other white guys and why are they cuttin' in on the Messiah's graven image?

Well, Jefferson's the one who was so disgusted he got out of there first . . .

240 Bob Dillon  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 1:28:54am

re: #227 Rustler

Thats why you attach a holster under the driver seat and keep a 45 in the car.

Heaven help you if you're ever stopped and searched in CA.

My dad kept his 38 police special just like that in the 50s 60s and 70s.

I am too paranoid to carry a weapon outside of home. We can't even get CCWs in CA.

241 gmsc  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 1:29:45am

re: #238 Hard Right

It helps me to understand how Hitler rose to power. No, I am not calling obama Hitler...

I see where you're going, but maybe someone like Trudeau (Pierre, not Gary) would've been a better choice . . .

re: #235 BlueCanuck

I don't think I have seen such abject deification of a modern politician like this. The nearest I can think of is Trudeau-mania here in Canada back in 67-68.

/well I don't EXACTLY remember it, but learne about it from history.

242 logboy  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 1:29:50am

re: #228 Hard Right

Under the driver's seat? Hell, I want a holster affixed to my dash. ;)

That is one of the few things I enjoyed about Iraq. My humvee had a turret with a .50 machine gun.

243 Erik The Red  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 1:30:02am

re: #240 Bobibutu

Heaven help you if you're ever stopped and searched in CA.

My dad kept his 38 police special just like that in the 50s 60s and 70s.

I am too paranoid to carry a weapon outside of home. We can't even get CCWs in CA.

Can you keep it in the clove compartment?

244 Kragar  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 1:30:06am

Just finished watching "The Count of Monte Cristo" Damn good movie

245 Bob Dillon  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 1:30:46am

re: #231 shanec99

In some communities that would be increasing the incentive for the thieves to steal your car.

I loved to see a pick up truck with the rifle rack in the rear window - loaded. Ah - memories.

246 BlueCanuck  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 1:30:49am

re: #242 logboy

That is one of the few things I enjoyed about Iraq. My humvee had a turret with a .50 machine gun.

Must have been great for those tail gaters in rush hour traffic.

/white smoke.

247 gmsc  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 1:30:51am

re: #243 Erik The Red

Can you keep it in the clove compartment?

Please tell me that's a typo. I'm asking because I can just picture California cars actually having clove compartments.

248 Hard Right  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 1:31:43am

re: #242 logboy

That is one of the few things I enjoyed about Iraq. My humvee had a turret with a .50 machine gun.

.50 cal MG, drrrrroooooooooooolllllll!

249 Erik The Red  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 1:31:54am

Yeah typo GLOVE

250 [deleted]  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 1:32:02am
251 shanec99  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 1:32:43am

re: #242 logboy

That is one of the few things I enjoyed about Iraq. My humvee had a turret with a .50 machine gun.


you were lucky, when I went outside the wire, our crew served weapons were typically 240b.
The 50 cal... well that is a monster.

252 Erik The Red  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 1:33:08am

Later Lizards.

253 Bob Dillon  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 1:33:26am

re: #232 Erik The Red

Ding ding ding - your karma is increasing well.

254 gmsc  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 1:33:49am

re: #230 Hard Right

No. And you can't make me.

OK, but you're missing the great "dove orifice" 0bama picture.

255 Hard Right  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 1:33:56am

re: #252 Erik The Red

Later Lizards.

Goodnight, don't let the.....English (?) bite.

256 shanec99  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 1:34:01am

re: #246 BlueCanuck

Must have been great for those tail gaters in rush hour traffic.

/white smoke.


When you were in a convoy, the Iraqi civilians typically stayed well back.

257 Hard Right  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 1:35:03am

re: #254 gmsc

OK, but you're missing the great "dove orifice" 0bama picture.


"Dove orifice"? Now I know I made the right decision.

258 Bob Dillon  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 1:35:08am

re: #243 Erik The Red

Can you keep it in the clove compartment?

Weapon - unloaded in the glove - ammo locked in the trunk - or vice versa. Makes perfect sense huh?

259 [deleted]  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 1:36:03am
260 logboy  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 1:36:12am

re: #248 Hard Right

.50 cal MG, drrrrroooooooooooolllllll!

Here you go.

261 gmsc  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 1:37:32am

re: #256 shanec99

When you were in a convoy,

262 Hard Right  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 1:37:52am

re: #258 Bobibutu

Weapon - unloaded in the glove - ammo locked in the trunk - or vice versa. Makes perfect sense huh?

If you consider the mindset behind the law, yes. Guns are bad. The people that own them are bad and cannot be trusted. And my friend wonders why I won't come visit her in CA.

263 logboy  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 1:38:27am

re: #251 shanec99

you were lucky, when I went outside the wire, our crew served weapons were typically 240b.
The 50 cal... well that is a monster.

We usually had at least one 240B in a patrol/convoy. We usually put it in the rear of the patrol.

264 Buster Bunny  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 1:38:31am

re: #257 Hard Right

"Dove orifice"? Now I know I made the right decision.

I prefer this one

Dirty Deeds done with sheep - featuring Pres 44

and yes .. the music is an AC/DC soundtrack.

265 WestTexas  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 1:38:38am

Wow I was reading the thread about the man in Gaza who is tired of Hamas. Then I got to the part where Meatpopsicle was torn to shreds for acting a fool. Man was that good fun. I wish I could be on here in real time when they serve up some fresh troll buttocks.

266 Bob Dillon  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 1:40:27am

re: #242 logboy

That is one of the few things I enjoyed about Iraq. My humvee had a turret with a .50 machine gun.

I hear the latest version is operated from inside a la video game console - freaks out the bad guys.

267 Buster Bunny  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 1:41:30am

re: #265 WestTexas

Wow I was reading the thread about the man in Gaza who is tired of Hamas. Then I got to the part where Meatpopsicle was torn to shreds for acting a fool. Man was that good fun. I wish I could be on here in real time when they serve up some fresh troll buttocks.

Meatpopsicle has been pushing buttons for a long time. And every once in a while karma actually comes back. Read his earlier comments and you get some idea that this aint the first time.

268 Hard Right  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 1:41:39am

re: #260 logboy

Here you go.

I...feel...faint. Thank you very much.

269 logboy  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 1:42:06am

re: #266 Bobibutu

I hear the latest version is operated from inside a la video game console - freaks out the bad guys.

You're talking about the crow system. The gunner sits in the back seat and operates it via joystick and video screen. It's okay, but not very dependable yet.

270 gmsc  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 1:42:07am

Woohoo! My Karma just hit 4,000 for the first time tonight!

271 Hard Right  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 1:43:14am

re: #264 Buster Bunny

I prefer this one

Dirty Deeds done with sheep - featuring Pres 44

and yes .. the music is an AC/DC soundtrack.


I LMAO the first time I heard that.

272 logboy  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 1:43:42am

re: #266 Bobibutu

I hear the latest version is operated from inside a la video game console - freaks out the bad guys.

Here it is.

273 WestTexas  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 1:44:53am

re: #267 Buster Bunny
Well with the efficient way that he stirred the s**t I could only assume that he his a professional. It is terribly fun to see Mandy in action. Lol. Then you everyone else kind of piled on. It was definitely something to lift my spirits for a few minutes. Shame that good discussion time is wasted by some morons though.

274 Kragar  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 1:45:43am

re: #270 gmsc

Woohoo! My Karma just hit 4,000 for the first time tonight!

Great, kid. Don't get cocky

275 gmsc  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 1:46:27am

re: #274 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Great, kid. Don't get cocky

Understood!

276 Hard Right  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 1:46:45am

re: #270 gmsc

Woohoo! My Karma just hit 4,000 for the first time tonight!

Let me fix that--DOWNDING! J/K...

277 Bob Dillon  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 1:46:46am

re: #269 logboy

You're talking about the crow system. The gunner sits in the back seat and operates it via joystick and video screen. It's okay, but not very dependable yet.

What's not to be dependable? The weapon has to be. Point - shoot - spray? Don't tell me the software was provided by Microsoft.

*ducks*

278 Buster Bunny  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 1:48:18am

I'll get happy when my karma hits 500. Then i'll retire on my dividends from Lehman Bros and Goldman Sachs. Not to mention those few leftover Exxon shares I just know will come in handy one day, as worthless collectible scrip.

279 gmsc  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 1:48:21am

re: #274 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Great, kid. Don't get cocky

Actually, I was thinking of celebrating by going to sleep. I'm not going to make it to fruitcup tonight.

280 gmsc  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 1:48:54am

re: #278 Buster Bunny

I'll get happy when my karma hits 500. Then i'll retire on my dividends from Lehman Bros and Goldman Sachs. Not to mention those few leftover Exxon shares I just know will come in handy one day, as worthless collectible scrip.

Here's some help.

Good night, all!

281 Hard Right  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 1:49:48am

re: #280 gmsc

Here's some help.

Good night, all!

Goodnight. Don't let the Creationists bite.

282 Bob Dillon  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 1:49:58am

re: #272 logboy

Here it is.

Sweet!

283 [deleted]  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 1:50:02am
284 littleoldlady  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 1:51:06am

re: #279 gmsc

*sniff*

285 Hard Right  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 1:51:41am

re: #283 Iron Fist

An interesting thing to note about California. They won't let you carry a knife with more than a 2" blade (most states go at least 4"), but you can carry a switchblade knife if the blade is under 2". A 2" blade is usable as a lethal weapon, you just have to target his femorals, aorta, and throat. Or just stab him 20 or so times.

Ouch.

It's not the length of the blade, it's how sharp it is. A scalpel is has maybe a one inch blade, but it cuts quite well.

286 Kragar  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 1:54:03am

re: #285 Hard Right

It's not the length of the blade, it's how sharp it is. A scalpel is has maybe a one inch blade, but it cuts quite well.

Though, when in doubt, an e-tool can ruin your day just as well.

287 [deleted]  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 1:54:07am
288 Bob Dillon  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 1:54:19am

re: #283 Iron Fist

An interesting thing to note about California. They won't let you carry a knife with more than a 2" blade (most states go at least 4"), but you can carry a switchblade knife if the blade is under 2". A 2" blade is usable as a lethal weapon, you just have to target his femorals, aorta, and throat. Or just stab him 20 or so times.

Ouch.

I guess we're down to box cutters.

Yeah that's the ticket!

/

The CA legislature is out of control - has been for a few decades - and is brain dead. IMNSHO.

289 WestTexas  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 1:54:33am

re: #270 gmsc

Congratulations! So I shot my new friend on Thursday. This is my new friend.

290 logboy  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 1:54:54am

re: #277 Bobibutu

What's not to be dependable? The weapon has to be. Point - shoot - spray? Don't tell me the software was provided by Microsoft.

*ducks*

You guessed it, glitches. Sometimes stuff would freeze, get stuck, or just wouldn't work. Not what you want to happen when your life depends on it.

291 gmsc  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 1:55:01am

re: #284 littleoldlady

*sniff*

Great, now I feel bad.

OK, I'm back for some fruitcup and brief conversation!

292 Hard Right  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 1:56:19am

re: #286 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Though, when in doubt, an e-tool can ruin your day just as well.

I respect firearms. I fear knives.

293 Bob Dillon  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 1:56:32am

re: #285 Hard Right

It's not the length of the blade, it's how sharp it is. A scalpel is has maybe a one inch blade, but it cuts quite well.

All the more evidence that the CA legislature has dildo's for brains.

294 littleoldlady  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 1:57:19am

re: #291 gmsc

:-D !

295 logboy  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 1:57:29am

re: #270 gmsc

Woohoo! My Karma just hit 4,000 for the first time tonight!

I take pleasure in knowing that, while I do not have as much Karma as gmsc, I still have way more than President Obama.

296 WestTexas  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 1:58:21am

re: #295 logboy

An up-ding for truth.

297 [deleted]  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 1:58:33am
298 Hard Right  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 1:58:48am

re: #293 Bobibutu

All the more evidence that the CA legislature has dildo's for brains.

That is still more in the way of brains than they actually have.
CA., what happens when liberals take over.

299 Kragar  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 1:59:38am

re: #292 Hard Right

I respect firearms. I fear knives.

Ever seen "Lock, Stock and 2 Smoking Barrels"?

Soap: I think knives are a good idea. Big, fuck-off shiny ones. Ones that look like they could skin a crocodile. Knives are good, because they don't make any noise, and the less noise they make, the more likely we are to use them. Shit 'em right up. Makes it look like we're serious. Guns for show, knives for a pro.

Tom: Soap, is there something we should know about you?

300 littleoldlady  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 2:00:03am

Good morning, afternoon, evening *everyone*!™

Fruitcup is on the buffet ----------------------->
Help yourselves!

301 gmsc  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 2:00:11am

re: #294 littleoldlady

:-D !

{littleoldlady}

302 littleoldlady  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 2:00:18am

gmsc! :-)

303 gmsc  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 2:00:42am

re: #300 littleoldlady

Good morning, afternoon, evening *everyone*!™

Fruitcup is on the buffet ----------------------->
Help yourselves!

Hmmmm...made it after all!

304 Bob Dillon  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 2:01:06am

re: #290 logboy

You guessed it, glitches. Sometimes stuff would freeze, get stuck, or just wouldn't work. Not what you want to happen when your life depends on it.

I was graced by a personal tour of the Abe Lincoln Battle Group some years ago in San Diego - frikkin' awesome - till I was told that Microsoft supplied the software.

Kind of like the first M-16s in Nam. What a mess.

I wanted to strangle whoever in the Pentagon made those decisions.

305 Rustler  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 2:01:49am

re: #247 gmsc
Well you need to keep garlic cloves in your car to prevent the vampires from sneaking in a t night.

306 Hard Right  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 2:03:02am

re: #297 Iron Fist

true. What matters is that you hit the target right. One of the things that's been drilled into me is trying to cut the femoral artery in the crease of your leg (next to your groin). If you can cut the artery all the way through, they are going to be dead in at most a minute or two. What's cool is that if you do it that close to the core of the body, the arters will contract up into the joint area of the hit. Emergency teams couldn't be able to get a clamp on it before you bleed out. It is almost as certain a quick kill as shooting someone in the back of the head.

You just reminded me of the Blackhawk Down situation. They had a guy wounded in exactly the way you described and the artery had retracted up into him after it was severed.
I'm no knife expert, but once you learn where those arteries are, you never forget. Most people think to watch out for a slash/stab to the midsection or higher, but not down around the thighs.

307 FamHistoryGuy  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 2:03:04am

Good morning littleoldlady :-)

308 shanec99  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 2:03:08am

re: #261 gmsc


Anytime I visited any of the facillities south of Baghdad.

I would fly by helo from Taji to Camp Victory, and then I would typically get assigned as a pac to a convoy that would go to any of the FOBs that I had to visit.
I was an enlisted medical advisor to the Iraqi Army on a MiTT, so I had to visit the various FOBs to see how they were doing and determine if they had any needs that were not addressed.

309 [deleted]  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 2:04:07am
310 gmsc  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 2:04:20am

re: #305 Rustler

Well you need to keep garlic cloves in your car to prevent the vampires from sneaking in a t night.

I read that once. I think it was in the Wampire Veekly.

311 Hard Right  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 2:04:44am

re: #299 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Ever seen "Lock, Stock and 2 Smoking Barrels"?

Soap: I think knives are a good idea. Big, fuck-off shiny ones. Ones that look like they could skin a crocodile. Knives are good, because they don't make any noise, and the less noise they make, the more likely we are to use them. Shit 'em right up. Makes it look like we're serious. Guns for show, knives for a pro.

Tom: Soap, is there something we should know about you?

Love that movie. Too bad Guy hooked up with McDonna. Seems to have killed his career.

312 shanec99  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 2:05:04am

re: #265 WestTexas

Wow I was reading the thread about the man in Gaza who is tired of Hamas. Then I got to the part where Meatpopsicle was torn to shreds for acting a fool. Man was that good fun. I wish I could be on here in real time when they serve up some fresh troll buttocks.

It was easy to beat the fool to a pulp. He came in and started an attack, kind of like a drive by shooting, and no one was having any part of it.

313 littleoldlady  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 2:05:14am

FamHistoryGuy! :-)

314 Bob Dillon  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 2:05:48am

re: #290 logboy

You guessed it, glitches. Sometimes stuff would freeze, get stuck, or just wouldn't work. Not what you want to happen when your life depends on it.

One of the reasons why some of my senior customers in Nam kept Uzis close at hand.

315 Hard Right  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 2:05:57am

re: #305 Rustler

Well you need to keep garlic cloves in your car to prevent the vampires from sneaking in a t night.

I keep them in my underwear. You can never be too careful.

316 BlueCanuck  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 2:05:58am

Good morning littleoldlady. Thank you for the fruitcup.

317 Kragar  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 2:06:06am

re: #311 Hard Right

Love that movie. Too bad Guy hooked up with McDonna. Seems to have killed his career.

On the bright side, he's gotten away from her.

318 Rustler  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 2:06:07am

re: #266 Bobibutu
In the Humvee too? Thought it was only in the Bradleys and such.

319 [deleted]  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 2:06:28am
320 shanec99  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 2:07:02am

re: #263 logboy
I am medical, so I always was in the second to last vehicle in the convoy.

321 WestTexas  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 2:07:37am

re: #309 Iron Fist
Well I'm sorry to hear that. I am sacrificing certain things to obtain them. I'm preparing for the worse. I bought a stoeger shotgun a couple of months ago, and now the pistol. Next up, new rifle.

322 Hard Right  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 2:07:42am

re: #317 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

On the bright side, he's gotten away from her.

Yup. Maybe he'll get back to making decent movies again. She can continue to be an unbalanced whore.

323 littleoldlady  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 2:08:48am

BlueCanuck! :-)

324 Hard Right  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 2:10:42am

Well, it's after 3am and it's time to pass out. Goodnight Lizards. Take care and remember, that porch light is VERY hot. Don't get too close.

325 WestTexas  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 2:11:14am

re: #312 shanec99
Well I am fairly new, and it was pretty entertaining to see. Haven't seen much of that. I enjoy intelligent, open conversation more, but it was a great stress reliever.

326 Bob Dillon  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 2:11:48am

re: #306 Hard Right

You just reminded me of the Blackhawk Down situation. They had a guy wounded in exactly the way you described and the artery had retracted up into him after it was severed.
I'm no knife expert, but once you learn where those arteries are, you never forget. Most people think to watch out for a slash/stab to the midsection or higher, but not down around the thighs.

Some Dollybird hard core honey instructed us to slash at the inner thigh - you get it deep enough the other has about 30 seconds before termination.

327 WestTexas  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 2:12:06am

re: #321 WestTexas

Well I'm sorry to hear that. I am sacrificing certain things to obtain them. I'm preparing for the worse. I bought a stoeger shotgun a couple of months ago, and now the pistol. Next up, new rifle.

worst. pimf

328 Rustler  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 2:12:46am

re: #319 Iron Fist I love my little hatchet almost as much as I love my Kukri.

329 aboo-Hoo-Hoo  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 2:13:34am

Mui grande problemo's:

Be very, very scared . . .

Check out this graph from the Federal Reserve Bank of St. Louis.
It's a time series of the U.S. money supply from the early 20th century to the present.

What's the frightening bit? The supply curve is currently vertical.

The vertical gray bars, as you will note, are periods of recession. The money supply-line under discussion is the blue-line in the furthest right 'gray bar' of the graph.

You'd almost think it was a graph of Zimbabwe's inflation. It's not.

Mornin folks.

330 Bob Dillon  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 2:14:22am

re: #318 Rustler

In the Humvee too? Thought it was only in the Bradleys and such.

I think it includes the Hummers now.

The gunner was at major risk - so they put him below.

331 Rustler  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 2:14:26am

re: #326 Bobibutu
Proper positioning of the Cut, in a few places, makes death from exsanguination in 30 seconds to a minute very probable.

332 Rustler  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 2:14:58am

re: #330 Bobibutu
Yeah saw that glad they included HMMWV with it now.

333 WestTexas  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 2:15:59am

Ok Lizards, sorry to run, but work calls me back. Take care, and hopefully I will be able to get on during prime time.

334 Rustler  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 2:16:04am

re: #332 Rustler
Used to be Poor gunner felt like he was in a whack a mole game. Head pops up then bam back down and hope nothing hits.

335 logboy  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 2:16:25am

re: #308 shanec99

Anytime I visited any of the facillities south of Baghdad.

I would fly by helo from Taji to Camp Victory, and then I would typically get assigned as a pac to a convoy that would go to any of the FOBs that I had to visit.
I was an enlisted medical advisor to the Iraqi Army on a MiTT, so I had to visit the various FOBs to see how they were doing and determine if they had any needs that were not addressed.

I'm glad we had a medic along the night I got hit. He saved my life. Speaking of convoys, here is another here you go.

336 Fenway_Nation  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 2:16:31am

Hey lizards...looks like I made it in time for some fruitcup.

337 littleoldlady  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 2:16:46am

re: #329 aboo-Hoo-Hoo

aboo! :-)

You'd almost think it was a graph of Zimbabwe's inflation. It's not.

Oh, it will be our inflation chart soon enough. :-(

/firing up the laser printer...

338 littleoldlady  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 2:17:14am

Fenway! :-)

339 logboy  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 2:17:23am

re: #320 shanec99

I am medical, so I always was in the second to last vehicle in the convoy.

Why not in the middle where you could be easily maneuvered?

340 [deleted]  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 2:17:29am
341 shanec99  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 2:18:26am

re: #325 WestTexas
It was not entrainment, sometimes Trolls come here with the intention of making racist or anti-Semitic statements in order to discredit LGF, so we have to get out the broom and chase them off like the mangy dogs they are.

It is not fun, but we jealously protect this site and its reputation for being an upstanding site free of xenophobia and hateful rhetoric. We will not allow anyone to besmirch our reputation. Not without an aggressive defense anyway.

342 Bob Dillon  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 2:19:25am

re: #331 Rustler

Proper positioning of the Cut, in a few places, makes death from exsanguination in 30 seconds to a minute very probable.

Up ding for the best $5 word of the evening.

Ah - what we learn here.

343 gmsc  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 2:20:12am

re: #336 Fenway_Nation

Hey lizards...looks like I made it in time for some fruitcup.

You and I almost didn't make it!

344 freetoken  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 2:20:58am

re: #300 littleoldlady

Good morning, afternoon, evening *everyone*!™

Fruitcup is on the buffet ----------------------->
Help yourselves!

Refreshment is always appreciated this time of the morn...

Since people were speaking of movies just upthread... I notice that Hulu.com keeps adding titles. If you are up for a nature movie, recommend Antarctica over there. It is only 40 minutes, made several years ago but the photography is really special in some places, and it includes some truly unique and rare underwater footage. Note too that if your bandwidth can handle it, Hulu.com now has 480P which look really nice in full screen mode.

345 Rustler  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 2:21:11am

The reason I love my Kukri.

Once while His Highness was on annual holiday in England, far removed from political intrigues and palace coups, an uprising was attempted. British military headquarters, then stationed in Kuching, the capital of Sarawak, was alerted and quickly flew a company of Gurkhas the short distance up the coast.
Landing at Brunei airport, the little brown men double-timed into Bruneitown and soon came in view of the rioters.

Forming a thin khaki line across the lone main street, they unsheathed their kukris and stood facing the howling mob. Looking at that silent row of men, their knives sparkling in the sun, the insurgents had some fast second thoughts and slowly began to disband. The troops smartly about-faced, trotted back to the airfield and flew home to Kuching. Elapsed time to crush a rebellion-under two hours.

346 [deleted]  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 2:21:49am
347 Bob Dillon  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 2:22:01am

re: #332 Rustler

Yeah saw that glad they included HMMWV with it now.

It will never be so to our satisfaction but I rejoice at the speed our technology protects our warriors.

348 Rustler  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 2:23:06am

re: #342 Bobibutu

Rofl I assume you mean Exsanguination? It's one of my favorite words just rolls off the tongue and sounds cool.

349 shanec99  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 2:23:45am

re: #339 logboy
It just always seemed to be where I was, my vehile always seemed to be close to the QRF vehicle. I was not convoy commader, they put me where they wanted to, and I went and kept my mouth shut.

350 freetoken  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 2:23:46am

re: #337 littleoldlady

aboo! :-)

Oh, it will be our inflation chart soon enough. :-(

It is unclear to me when inflation will bite again... certainly the groundwork is being laid for some serious inflation but the immediate problem is deflation, I think. Put simply, today it was reported that unemployment in California is at 9.3% (up sharply), the highest its been in 15 years, and everybody is saying it will go higher, perhaps exceeding the great recession of the early '80's. With so many people out of work inflation is unlikely.

351 Fenway_Nation  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 2:24:14am

Are we all done giving the 0bama administration a chance? He pretty much did everything I was hoping he wouldn't do in is first day and even though it doesn't seem possible, his Mainstream Mouthpieces are even worse.

Latest example would be a CNN story citing unnamed 'security experts' trying to cast doubts on the number of released Gitmo detainees who went tight back to terrorism. I really should stop looking this shit up on my phone, since it only causes me to want to chuck my phone against the wall (altho' it somehow survived the day the I-35 bridge collapsed in Minneapolis and all I could find were stories on the ABC or CNN pages on how homosexuals were flocking to Canada in droves to escape the oppressive AmeriKKKan bigots who wouldn't recognize their marriges....)

352 aboo-Hoo-Hoo  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 2:24:17am

re: #337 littleoldlady

aboo! :-)

Oh, it will be our inflation chart soon enough. :-(

/firing up the laser printer...

Run the thing overtime please, I'm out of ink with only two 20-yrd trucks full of $100's to try and buy another cartridge! :-(

353 Rustler  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 2:25:30am

Inflation will bite again when Obama kicks the fed Printers in overdrive to bay for his stimulus package and rounds 2-6 of the bailout.
re: #350 freetoken

354 Bob Dillon  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 2:25:33am

re: #344 freetoken

THX

355 Kragar  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 2:25:54am

re: #345 Rustler

The reason I love my Kukri.

I was reading a book on the history of the Gurkha a few years ago. One of the passages was an interview asking about the technique used for the kukri from a veteran Gurkha. His answer was along the lines of "Well, you bring it up like this and then you bring it down like this." Not a weapon with a lot of finesse, but nothing like it if you need to remove body parts in a hurry.

356 freetoken  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 2:28:40am

re: #354 Bobibutu

You're welcome. I like Hulu.com... yes you have to see the advertisements, but they are short enough, and Hulu now has quiet the inventory of old TV, perhaps the best for online free viewing. They even have (had, perhaps its been pulled now) the original Lost In Space pilot, the one with family prayer at the end (which is never shown on broadcast TV.)

357 Bob Dillon  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 2:28:55am

re: #348 Rustler

Rofl I assume you mean Exsanguination? It's one of my favorite words just rolls off the tongue and sounds cool.

You got it - new one for my vocabulary.

Our instructor just used the phrase - bleed to death - quickly.

358 shanec99  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 2:29:02am

re: #348 Rustler

Rofl I assume you mean Exsanguination? It's one of my favorite words just rolls off the tongue and sounds cool.


I generally just say the sob bled to death... rather than, the insurgent exsanguinated.
I want people picture th horror of what happens in war, too ofter people who have never been to a battle field think its a video game.

359 Rustler  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 2:29:11am

re: #355 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
It removes limbs from the enemy from trees hell I love the thing first time I broke it out in the Field while Helping a Med Unit bring up combat readiness I made 2 or 3 people piss there pants. 16 inches of steel weighing in at about 2.5 pounds whistling thru the brush is almost awe inspiring. Used it a few times on Benning to butcher wild hogs.

360 littleoldlady  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 2:29:15am

re: #344 freetoken

freetoken! :-)

I believe inflation will be tied to the money supply and the lack of supply of good when (if, BIG IF) we start producing again.

361 Crux Australis  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 2:30:37am

re: #353 Rustler

Inflation will bite again when Obama kicks the fed Printers in overdrive to bay for his stimulus package and rounds 2-6 of the bailout.

Does Australia have anything to fear from this?

362 gmsc  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 2:32:48am

re: #360 littleoldlady

freetoken! :-)

I believe inflation will be tied to the money supply and the lack of supply of good when (if, BIG IF) we start producing again.

Two of the best books on economics I've ever read are by Paul Zane Pilzer. The first is called "Unlimited Wealth", and the second is "God Wants You To Be Rich".

Both examine the full effect of technology on economics, and it's astounding the amount of economic confusion these books clear up! I highly recommend them, especially if you like the work of Julian Simon.

363 gmsc  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 2:33:45am

OK, I'm working tomorrow, so I've really got to hit the hay.

Thanks for the fruitcup, littleoldlady.

Good night, all!

364 Rustler  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 2:34:05am

re: #361 Crux Australis Not unless your using US dollars. Its more about the fact that Obama isn't going to be increasing the Value of america but will be increasing by large amount the amount of currency available. This means more paper in the pocket but you basically can still only do the same amount with the increased money as you were previously able to do with what has become a pittance. In other words the 50 cent canned cola you buy from a vending machine now costs 2.50.

365 Bob Dillon  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 2:36:57am

re: #355 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I was reading a book on the history of the Gurkha a few years ago. One of the passages was an interview asking about the technique used for the kukri from a veteran Gurkha. His answer was along the lines of "Well, you bring it up like this and then you bring it down like this." Not a weapon with a lot of finesse, but nothing like it if you need to remove body parts in a hurry.

[Link: www.kukriknives.co.za...]

The Khukuri, a semi-curved metal knife, is synonymous with the valor of the legendary Gurkha soldiers. Though the Khukuri is the national knife of Nepal, it is not only famous in Nepal or for the Gurkha soldiers, but it has gained popularity in the world for being one of the most practical, convenient and peculiar knives. As for the Bowie knife, The Stiletto, Scimitar, the Roman Sword, Samurai sword or Machete, which are all famous types of knives and swords.

They all had their roles to play in the different historical events and eras, because of their cutting edge over other weapons. The most famous of them all is probably the Kukri Knife.

It is a curved metal knife and is always carried by each Gurkha soldier. It was said that once a Khukuri was drawn in battle, it had to 'taste blood' - if not, its owner had to cut himself before returning into its sheath. In the hands of an experienced wielder the Khukuri is a formidable weapon. The little men, utterly courageous, supremely cheerful, stealthy as leopards and as agile as a mountain goat.

Their tactics usually involved, ducking when the enemy stabs with their bayonettes, and thrusting the Khukuri into the soft flesh of the stomach area, ripping them open in a single blow. The result of such a dangerous combination of man and blade is a superb and effective quick and silent death.


The Khukuri, however, is more than just an enemy's nightmare. From its origins as a valuable farming implement, the Khukuri evolved over the centuries into a lethal fighting weapon. To most of Nepal's rural people - who constitute more than 90% of the kingdom's population - the Khukuri is their everyday tool: a multi-purpose knife which can be used for cutting grass, chopping wood, peeling vegetables, slaughtering animals and skinning meat, not to mention warding off dangerous animals and the occasional human invader. Nepalese people traditionally carry their Khukuris, even when traveling abroad.

I had the honor to know a Gurkha.

Way out there.

366 littleoldlady  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 2:37:05am

re: #362 gmsc

I am in possession of a very dusty, very creaky, not worth the crumbling paper it's printed on, nearly 30 year old MBA degree. Every so often some factoid bubbles to the surface of my brain. See #360? I think that was it for this month. :-/

And if G-d wanted me to be rich He would have let me win the Powerball last night.

367 littleoldlady  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 2:37:39am

'Night, gmsc! Thanks for sticking around... :-)

368 BlueCanuck  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 2:40:38am

re: #366 littleoldlady

I double my money every week with the lottery.


I fold it in half and put it back in my pocket

369 FamHistoryGuy  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 2:42:07am

Night everyone. Meds have caught up to me. Enjoy your morning/day/night.

370 freetoken  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 2:43:09am

re: #360 littleoldlady

There is no doubt that the Fed and the Treasury have expanded what could be called "money" (loose definition of the term.) However, we still have to come to terms with more liquidity issues in the banking system, and some nasty unemployment.

What is strange is that around here, in California (yes, I know, we are always a bit strange out here...), while the job situation is looking pretty grim, the actions of people are only slowly coming around. That is, the habits of people are not quite what they ought to be in these times... it has been a quite a while since California has seen this type of retrenchment, and there is a whole generation of people who have come into adulthood who have never really experienced hard times.

I remember looking for work in the 82-83 recession, and how nigh impossible it was.

371 littleoldlady  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 2:43:21am

re: #368 BlueCanuck

That was always my father's advice.

/but did I listen? NO-O-O-O!

372 freetoken  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 2:44:53am

re: #369 FamHistoryGuy

Sleep well you guys...

373 BlueCanuck  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 2:45:04am

re: #371 littleoldlady

Used to play the lottos up here, also the scratch and lose tickets. Finally came to my senses and just said no.

/silly me still played after learning the odds formula for the lotteries.

374 Scion9  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 2:46:31am

re: #360 littleoldlady

Yeah; the entire point of a 'stimulus' is to cause inflation essentially, if you are going straight by Lord Keynes. People are 'stimulated' to spend and sell because it becomes detrimental to either sit on liquid assets or excess manufactured goods as both are depreciating in value as 'new' money is minted. Confiscatory redistribution without deliberate inflation only encourages those near the middle and bottom of the economic ladder to consume.

At least, that is the way it is supposed to work. However, I believe that like the Chicago school, the whole thing is a bit flawed because it relies on predicting the behavior of massive populations to work (or in the case of Keynes, 'stimulating' massive populations towards behaving a certain way with their money). I'm very skeptical that economists are truly capable of grasping the potential for a population to work against its own interest, and generally be economically illiterate. Basing our system off of pretending to know how the world is going to react to control (or lack thereof) being exerted over the economy is a bad idea from where I am standing.

375 Fenway_Nation  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 2:47:01am

Unfortunately, my friend's customized chart tracking the GLD Exchange Traded Fund was spot on . He printed a 6-month chart traking the ETF on Jan 9th and added onto it, saying expect serious movement in the market price of gold on the 24th (although he left open the possibility of it trending down dramatically- but that was unlikely with all the bad news coming from the banking sector and the dramatic hit currencies like the pound-sterling have been taking).

Gold shot up $41 an ounce in less than 24 hours and more than $80 in less than a week.

King Barry the Present must want to arrange it so that only his race-baiting Trinity Church of Christ and Weather Underground pals are the only ones who can buy or own gold....

376 Rustler  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 2:56:42am

Mac VS PC. pretty awesome. BBIAB security checks and receipts.

377 redc1c4  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 3:01:24am

hows that fruitcup w*rking for everybody?

/ white smoke

378 redc1c4  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 3:02:25am

re: #373 BlueCanuck

Used to play the lottos up here, also the scratch and lose tickets. Finally came to my senses and just said no.

/silly me still played after learning the odds formula for the lotteries.

the only worse odds than playing are not.

/fact of life

379 Digital Display  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 3:02:30am

re: #377 redc1c4

hows that fruitcup w*rking for everybody?

/ white smoke

Yummy!
Good Morning everyone!

380 freetoken  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 3:02:36am

re: #376 Rustler

cute...

381 aboo-Hoo-Hoo  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 3:03:13am

Oh boy...is this good or what? BBC resisting pressure over Gaza

The BBC is continuing to resist pressure over its decision not to air an appeal for aid to Gaza....

Director general Mark Thompson has said by airing the appeal the BBC would risk reducing public confidence in its impartial coverage of the conflict.

382 x-wing  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 3:05:19am

re: #377 redc1c4

hows that fruitcup w*rking for everybody?

/ white smoke

Hey redc, what's the secret ingredient today?

383 Scion9  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 3:05:48am

re: #381 aboo-Hoo-Hoo

News about the BBC...as reported by the BBC...

384 x-wing  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 3:09:24am

re: #381 aboo-Hoo-Hoo

Oh boy...is this good or what? BBC resisting pressure over Gaza


I need to know what the BBC's definition of "impartial" is before I can comment. ;>}

/

385 BlueCanuck  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 3:09:45am

re: #378 redc1c4

True. But I would rather not play, than play regularly and be constantly disappointed. My fragile ego can only handle so much.

/white smoke.

386 SurferDoc  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 3:10:28am

Hiya Nightlizards! How is everyone doing?

387 SurferDoc  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 3:11:37am

*takes a mirror around to see if anyone is breathing*

388 BlueCanuck  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 3:12:48am

re: #387 SurferDoc

*takes a mirror around to see if anyone is breathing*

ZZZZZzzzzzzzz. . . . .What?

/it's the Sunday morning doldrums. what did you expect?

389 Digital Display  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 3:12:57am

re: #387 SurferDoc

*takes a mirror around to see if anyone is breathing*

Good Morning Doc! How are you doing today?

390 Scion9  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 3:13:07am

From the article:

"Rival channels ITV, Channel 4 and Five..."

'Rival' denotes competition. How exactly is an apparatus of the State such as BBC to be rivaled by anything in this scenario? What's more the whole article is BBC criticizing itself (or its management specifically) by way of selected quotations from its 'rivals'. The whole thing is madness, even outside of BBC's laughable impartiality.

391 Rustler  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 3:13:21am

So Blago to appear on GMA and The View tomorrow. Will he say something stupid and self Imcriminatory?

392 redc1c4  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 3:13:47am

re: #382 x-wing

Hey redc, what's the secret ingredient today?

if'n i told yah it wouldn't be a secret, now would it?.....

jest relax and enjoy.

(i am %-)

393 redc1c4  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 3:14:49am

re: #387 SurferDoc

*takes a mirror around to see if anyone is breathing*

why are your shorts at your ankles?

/you pervert!

394 SurferDoc  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 3:15:29am

Hi Blue.
Hi HH.

It's windy, cold and dark in the Mojave. Any fruit cup left?

395 Rustler  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 3:16:29am

Don't ask and he won't tell what he did to you while you slept.

396 SurferDoc  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 3:16:33am

Hiya Red. Down or up, it's always shorts weather at my house.

397 redc1c4  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 3:17:14am

re: #385 BlueCanuck

True. But I would rather not play, than play regularly and be constantly disappointed. My fragile ego can only handle so much.

/white smoke.

emigrate here: even in our weakened condition, we can still fix that problem.
Back in London, I was having dinner in the Groucho Club— this week’s
in-spot for what’s left of Britain’s lit gritz and nouveau rock
riche—when one person started in on the Stars And Stripes. Eventually
he got, as the Europeans always do, to the part about “your country’s
never been invaded.”
(This fellow had been two during the Blitz, you see.)

“You don’t know the horror, the suffering. You think war is...”

I snapped.

“A John Wayne movie,” I said. "That’s what you were going to say,
wasn’t it? We think war is a John Wayne movie. We think life is a John
Wayne movie—with good guys and bad guys, as simple as that. Well, you
know something, Mister Limey Poofter? You’re right. And let me tell you
who those bad guys are. They’re us. WE BE BAD."

"We’re the baddest-ass sons of bitches that ever jogged in Reeboks.
We’re three-quarters grizzly bear and two-thirds car wreck and
descended from a stock market crash on our mother’s side. You take
your Germany, France and Spain, roll them all together and it
wouldn’t give us room to park our cars. We’re the big boys, Jack,
the original, giant, economy-sized, new and improved butt kickers
of all time. When we snort coke in Houston, people lose their hats in
Cap D’Antibes. And we’ve got an American Express card credit limit
higher than your piss-ant metric numbers go."

“You say our country’s never been invaded? You’re right, little buddy.
Because I’d like to see the needle-dicked foreigners who’d have the
guts to try. We drink napalm to get our hearts started in the morning.
A rape and a mugging is our way of saying ‘Cheerio.’ Hell can’t hold
our sock-hops. We walk taller, talk louder, spit further, fuck longer
and buy more things than you know the names of. I’d rather be a junkie
in a New York City jail than king, queen, and jack of all you Europeans.
We eat little countries like this for breakfast and shit them out
before lunch.”

Of course, the guy should have punched me. But this was Europe.
He just smiled his shabby, superior European smile.
(God, don’t these people have dentists?)

-- P.J. O’Rourke - “Holidays In Hell” and no smoke at all.

398 Digital Display  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 3:18:17am

re: #394 SurferDoc

Hi Blue.
Hi HH.

It's windy, cold and dark in the Mojave Indiana. Any fruit cup left?


I think Little old lady blew us off...:)

399 SurferDoc  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 3:19:45am

re: #398 HoosierHoops

I think Little old lady blew us off...:)

Not gonna touch that...
/

400 Rustler  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 3:20:07am

Treasury appointee. It was just a $34,000 mistake.

401 littleoldlady  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 3:20:50am

re: #370 freetoken

re: #374 Scion9

Right now we are not producing (hence the layoffs) and just selling off inventory. The airlines are selling tickets for $50 a pop, Chrysler may as well be giving away their cars, and even I just bought a bunch of new computer hardware and software because it's dirt cheap. (Had to pass on the loaded $250 laptop, though. Hope I don't kick myself later.)

The "bailout/stimulus" so far has poured money into the banking system - with no controls! - and has not solved the problem of all that bad debt on their books, however it DID put more debt on OUR (the American people) books. That was the Bush part. The Obama part is 80% b*llshit - goodies for Friends of the Dems. It is unlikely to create very many jobs, and certainly not any time soon.

If (again, BIG IF) the "stimulus" works, that much more money (or even "money", freetoken) put into the system is bound to result in inflated prices. Yes, it IS just a theory, Scion, but it's one that makes sense to me. First, lower inventories and high demand = higher prices*. And I disagree with you about the ability of the American public to make informed, intelligent decisions about their personal finances. That is the ONE thing that is NEVER taught to kids in school, and this new economic reality is going to take a lot of completely different approaches, which (as freetoken suggested) some consumer segments and age brackets have never been faced with before.

/Disclaimer: I AM NOT 3wood! Plus my crystal ball is in the shop. Your results may vary! ;-)

*This is assuming that the "stimulus" actually works. If it doesn't work we're just stuck with the debt. If it DOES work then the government will view it as an opportunity to raise taxes.

//are we having fun yet? :-/

402 Rustler  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 3:21:26am

Speak of the Devil and she appears.

403 Digital Display  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 3:21:38am

re: #401 littleoldlady

Hiya LOL! how are you doing this morning?

404 redc1c4  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 3:22:18am

re: #396 SurferDoc

Hiya Red. Down or up, it's always shorts weather at my house.

you and me both bro....... we gotta figure a place to meet one day.

if nothing else, Maximus, of day time fame, lives a skosh east of Magic Mountain......

or we can all go to Oak Tree and pop caps together, while we still can,

405 littleoldlady  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 3:22:55am

Hoosier! :-)

Nah. Just trying to expound on economic theory with a limited amount of caffeine, and an even more limited amount of knowledge. ;-)

How's by you?

406 BlueCanuck  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 3:23:07am

re: #397 redc1c4

I would, if I didn't love my country as much as I do. No matter how bad it sounds, it's still my home. Heck, the grass is always greener on the other side. We have a big country. If I get tired of where I am I can always pull up stakes and check out another part of the country. If I get tired of the cold and snow, I can at least travel to the south parts of your country. No need to immigrate.

407 SurferDoc  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 3:23:34am

re: #404 redc1c4

you and me both bro....... we gotta figure a place to meet one day.

if nothing else, Maximus, of day time fame, lives a skosh east of Magic Mountain......

or we can all go to Oak Tree and pop caps together, while we still can,

A meet-up for shooting and maybe lunch would be great!

408 redc1c4  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 3:23:44am

re: #399 SurferDoc

Not gonna touch that...
/

coward......

/white smoke

409 Digital Display  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 3:23:53am

re: #405 littleoldlady

Hoosier! :-)

Nah. Just trying to expound on economic theory with a limited amount of caffeine, and an even more limited amount of knowledge. ;-)

How's by you?

Waiting for the coffee to finish....HURRY UP ALREADY! drip..drip..drip..

410 littleoldlady  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 3:24:01am

Rustler! :-)

I'm been here. I'm just The World's Slowest Typer!™

411 Rustler  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 3:25:04am

re: #401 littleoldlady

And I disagree with you about the ability of the American public to make informed, intelligent decisions about their personal finances. That is the ONE thing that is NEVER taught to kids in school, and this new economic reality is going to take a lot of completely different approaches, which (as freetoken suggested) some consumer segments and age brackets have never been faced with before.

Bingo LOL, if Americans could make intelligent informed business decisions 2 things would have Happened A. Banks wouldn't have alowed themselves to be bullied into making a lot of these sub prime loans(both Mortgages and Credit Cards(tho the cards weren't forced)) and B. Americans would have never taken these loans they couldn't reliably pay back based off the Used car salesmen, bankers, and CC companies telling em sure you can afford it.

412 SurferDoc  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 3:25:04am

re: #408 redc1c4

coward......

/white smoke

...but I live to fight another day.

413 BlueCanuck  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 3:25:13am

re: #404 redc1c4

Speaking of which. I plan on being in the L.A. area in the beginning of March. Have a business confrence going on for most of a week. Bunch of us are planning on heading down early.

414 littleoldlady  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 3:25:23am

I've been here. Or I'm here.

/your choice
//grammar and punctuation challenged as well...

415 redc1c4  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 3:25:54am

re: #400 Rustler

Treasury appointee. It was just a $34,000 mistake.

he's gonna be a multitrillion dollar mistake, when Juggy gets done fucking us.

416 Rustler  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 3:26:36am

re: #410 littleoldlady Yep others thought you'd abandoned then and mentioned it so I had to say Speak of the devil.

417 redc1c4  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 3:27:10am

re: #407 SurferDoc

A meet-up for shooting and maybe lunch would be great!

they have a bar & grill there at the range: the food is good and the beer is cold.

418 Rustler  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 3:28:26am

re: #417 redc1c4
Ahh nothing like an afternoon of guns, booze, and BBQ.

419 Rustler  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 3:29:01am

re: #417 redc1c4
Just make sure you go in the proper order Guns, then booze and burgers.

420 redc1c4  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 3:31:14am

re: #413 BlueCanuck

Speaking of which. I plan on being in the L.A. area in the beginning of March. Have a business confrence going on for most of a week. Bunch of us are planning on heading down early.

add AT sbcglobalDOTnet to my nick and we'll talk......

take ya here and there, show ya the sights, and your cow-orkers don't even need to know i'm a lizard......

421 littleoldlady  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 3:31:33am

re: #411 Rustler

I really don't get it. There is relatively very little FACTUAL information conveyed to children about our system of government, economic system, history, etc. Meanwhile, everyone has to study algebra, geometry and trig. What percentage of people actually get to USE those skills in their daily lives?

422 redc1c4  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 3:31:56am

re: #418 Rustler

Ahh nothing like an afternoon of guns, booze, and BBQ.

except a whole day of it....... or several.

423 freetoken  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 3:32:05am

re: #401 littleoldlady

Very difficult for me to see the future... I'll know better when it gets here :-) Inflation for now is not my immediate worry...

More pressing issues... one family member, self-employed, has had their business flat-line and is now desperately looking for employment. My own plans have been derailed (not due to the economy, but exacerbated by it.) Fortunately I don't have to worry about getting an IOU from the State for tax refunds... instead I get to pay (wheeee!) California will soon be kiting checks... what happens when the fire season returns and their are no CDF because no-one got paid? Local police patrols have become rare (no gas money?) As I mentioned before, not long ago I was accosted on the street by someone asking for money (he only pushed me a bit, but he had to be desperate as I'm a health 6'1" 220lb male)... and so on.

424 redc1c4  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 3:33:14am

re: #419 Rustler

Just make sure you go in the proper order Guns, then booze and burgers.

typical lifer......

they ruin *all* the fun.

425 littleoldlady  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 3:33:27am

re: #423 freetoken

Oh, it's going to get much much more ugly.

/that much I AM sure of!

426 BlueCanuck  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 3:34:35am

re: #420 redc1c4

Will do. Think I actually have it from when LeePro was doing that info pass around last week.

427 Render  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 3:35:20am

re: #400 Rustler

Such utter bullshit.

If one of us didn't pay our taxes over a three or four year period we'd be sitting in a Federal holding cell, awaiting judgment, while all of our worldly assets were being auctioned off.

The "simple mistake" excuse wouldn't make one whit of difference.

I'm so sick and tired of seeing people with a (D) after their names walk on Federal felonies. I'm sick and tired of Democrats being above the law. I'm sick and tired of Democrats being held to far lesser legal standard then the common people.

I want to know why I have to piss in a cup in order to get almost any job and the President of the United States, arguably the most important job in the nation, does not.

PISS
TEST
OBAMA,
R

428 Render  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 3:37:52am

re: #410 littleoldlady

Yer prolly faster then me. I'm greased lightning in first-person shooter games, but a moped on the beltway as a typist.

RIGHT
LANE,
R

429 redc1c4  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 3:38:09am

re: #423 freetoken

Very difficult for me to see the future... I'll know better when it gets here :-) Inflation for now is not my immediate worry...

More pressing issues... one family member, self-employed, has had their business flat-line and is now desperately looking for employment. My own plans have been derailed (not due to the economy, but exacerbated by it.) Fortunately I don't have to worry about getting an IOU from the State for tax refunds... instead I get to pay (wheeee!) California will soon be kiting checks... what happens when the fire season returns and their are no CDF because no-one got paid? Local police patrols have become rare (no gas money?) As I mentioned before, not long ago I was accosted on the street by someone asking for money (he only pushed me a bit, but he had to be desperate as I'm a health 6'1" 220lb male)... and so on.

Dude...... do you live hear near me? (East SFV) we've had numeri strong arm 'you owe me' robberies in the last few months, and the cops only come by to eat at the local shops. if you call, they try to find reasons to not show up......

fortunately, i battle carry in dirt bag mode so i don't get bothered much, no matter where i am.

430 Rustler  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 3:40:51am

re: #421 littleoldlady ///The things not taqught in school are supposed to be taught at home.

431 redc1c4  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 3:42:08am

re: #427 Render

Such utter bullshit.

If one of us didn't pay our taxes over a three or four year period we'd be sitting in a Federal holding cell, awaiting judgment, while all of our worldly assets were being auctioned off.

The "simple mistake" excuse wouldn't make one whit of difference.

I'm so sick and tired of seeing people with a (D) after their names walk on Federal felonies. I'm sick and tired of Democrats being above the law. I'm sick and tired of Democrats being held to far lesser legal standard then the common people.

I want to know why I have to piss in a cup in order to get almost any job and the President of the United States, arguably the most important job in the nation, does not.

PISS
TEST
OBAMA,
R

i hereby nominate this as a mandatory up ding post

YMMV.

432 Bob Dillon  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 3:42:08am

re: #421 littleoldlady

I really don't get it. There is relatively very little FACTUAL information conveyed to children about our system of government, economic system, history, etc. Meanwhile, everyone has to study algebra, geometry and trig. What percentage of people actually get to USE those skills in their daily lives?

Those who learn it get to experience how to think and reason. And that includes how to sort the political crap from reality.

433 redc1c4  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 3:43:09am

re: #426 BlueCanuck

Will do. Think I actually have it from when LeePro was doing that info pass around last week.

what info pass around?

434 Rustler  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 3:43:19am

re: #427 Render
I hear ya I couldn't believe my eyes when I saw him call it a simple {expletives deleted} mistake. I wish I could make a simple 34,000 dollar mistake that benefited me.

435 BlueCanuck  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 3:44:34am

Okay red, e-mail away.

436 freetoken  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 3:45:26am

re: #429 redc1c4

No... I am to the south... but San Diego county sure has changed over the last 3 decades.

I take it you're up in San Fernando (right?); have all the local papers, fliers, etc. essentially dried up, like down here?

I do know that foreclosures, while up sharply in SD, are still not as bad as in Riverside and San Bernadino counties, where there are locales with double digit foreclosure rates.

437 Rustler  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 3:46:12am

re: #424 redc1c4 I just don't want you to emBurress yourself.

438 nonic  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 3:49:50am

littleoldlady

Good morning. I'm very upset about the Jew-baiting / Catholic-bashing going on about Pope Benedict XVI lifting the excommunication of 4 schismatics, one of whom is a flaming a**hole holocaust denier. (He's English... who's surprised?)

I think people misunderstand what has happened here. Some people WANT to stir up trouble between Jews and Catholics, and some simply want to discredit the Catholic Church. And it is easy to do so with a story like this. But that’s only because most people, especially non-Catholics, do not understand what “excommunication” means.

Excommunication means that a Catholic is not allowed to receive the sacraments, specifically Holy Communion. I, as many people, believe the Church should never deny Holy Communion to anyone. Who are the Pope and Bishops and Priests to decide the state of a person's soul and relationship to God? On Earth, Jesus denied himself to no one. Despite the outrage of some of his followers, he sat down and ate with sinners of all types, and blessed them. Are the Popes and Bishops and Priests supposed to have "better judgment" than Jesus and THEY know who should not be allowed at God’s table?

Excommunication is a medieval punishment that should never be used. It was proper for Pope John Paul II to strip the schismatics of their priestly and bishop status and say they are not ministers of the Church. But I believe it was wrong of him to excommunicate them and attempt to separate them from God. And apparently Benedict XVI thinks so as well.

The Holocaust denier was not "rehabilitated." He was not, as the NY Times says, "re-instated." The Times headline says that, but buried in the article, they specifically say he was not. He has simply had his excommunication lifted, so that he is now allowed to receive Holy Communion. That is not an affirmation of his wrong and stupid opinions -- merely a recognition that he needs God as much as the rest of us, and that the Church has no right to refuse him.

The Catholic Church is not a club that only the "right thinking" people can join. Nor is it one vast public relations project out to make sure that everybody is nice to Jews and likes Catholics.

439 Rustler  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 3:51:06am

Just saw a potential future darwin Award winner on discovery channel. They were interviewing this guy who had fallen thru some ice and was saved by his dog. He mentions how cold it was and how he isn't sure why he decided to cross the frozen river. Then he said when he first stepped onto it he knew he shouldn't because it felt thin. But it looked thick so he kept going and fell thru.

440 redc1c4  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 3:52:17am

re: #437 Rustler

I just don't want you to emBurress yourself.

i'm the eternal SP4: that's impossible.............

guns and alcohol don't mix: the oils and such make your drinks taste funny and the liquor and mixes screw with the finishes and workings.

ya gotta keep'em separated........

441 nonic  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 3:52:32am

re: #436 freetoken

QUOTE but San Diego county sure has changed over the last 3 decades. END QUOTE

In what ways? I was there for 2 years in 92-93 and loved it. How has it changed?

442 Rustler  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 3:53:10am

re: #440 redc1c4
My problem was always with the greasy burgers and alcohol making reloading difficult.

443 redc1c4  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 3:53:38am

re: #439 Rustler

dog is smarter than he is, which ain't sayin much.

444 Spare O'Lake  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 3:54:29am

Good Morning LGF.
BTW, what is the meaning of this "White Smoke" of which some of you speak?
Pardon my ignorance.

445 Digital Display  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 3:56:59am

re: #444 Spare O'Lake

Good Morning LGF.
BTW, what is the meaning of this "White Smoke" of which some of you speak?
Pardon my ignorance.

Dunno know...Every time somebody pops white smoke I figure we have a new Pope

446 SurferDoc  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 3:57:04am

BBL: Need sleep.

447 littleoldlady  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 3:57:48am

re: #438 nonic

How about if they fire him and leave him his "re-communication"? He's still a bishop, right?

(I have to admit, I haven't been following this story very closely.)

nonic! :-) Good to see you!

448 tappin52  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 3:58:37am

re: #430 Rustler

///The things not taqught in school are supposed to be taught at home.

Nothing gets economy 101 taught to young people faster than their reaction to the size of their first paycheck, followed by their Dad insisting on a percentage of it being handed over to him to put into the bank.

449 Rustler  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 4:00:57am

re: #444 Spare O'Lake
White smoke is used as screen to disengage and sometimes in making assaults. when someone makes a cheeky comment in thread they pop white smoke and bail for a few comments.

450 Rustler  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 4:01:45am

re: #447 littleoldlady
Pretty sure upon his excommunication he lost the Bishopship.

451 Rustler  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 4:03:00am

re: #449 Rustler Or maybe red has seen to many ninjas in cartoons use smoke to disappear.

452 sattv4u2  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 4:03:10am

re: #445 HoosierHoops

Dunno know...Every time somebody pops white smoke I figure we have a new Pope

Same here. There's one lizard (Peitr, sp?, perhaps) that does the "White Smoke" after just about every post. After each, I always respond "did we just elect a new pope?"

453 Rustler  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 4:03:33am

re: #448 tappin52
First paycheck Who the Blank is this fica and why does he get my money.

454 sattv4u2  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 4:04:47am

re: #453 Rustler

First paycheck Who the Blank is this fica and why does he get my money.

hehehhe,,, or better

"I'm agreed to work for (XXXX amount) salary! How come I'm only getting 1/2 of XXXX amount !"

455 tappin52  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 4:05:13am

re: #453 Rustler

Exactly! Followed by , "I worked for that money, how can they just take it?!"

456 freetoken  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 4:06:09am

re: #441 nonic

Added well over a million people from when I first lived here... much building in the county... lots of new communities, loss of the agricultural community, etc. Traffic much worse than it used to be. San Deigo (the city) lost some of that "lazy" feeling of a small town it used to have. It still is not like a big east coast city, but it is not what it used to be. The county feels more and more like Orange county, even a bit of LA.

457 tappin52  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 4:06:18am

"It's not fair!"

458 redc1c4  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 4:08:23am

"Excommunication is a medieval punishment that should never be used."

bullshit. if you believe in and follow the Catholic religion, then you buy into it lock stock and 2 smoking barrels.

either you follow the Church or you fuck off on your own. you can't have it both ways.

/recovering Catholic

459 Digital Display  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 4:09:23am

re: #452 sattv4u2

Same here. There's one lizard (Peitr, sp?, perhaps) that does the "White Smoke" after just about every post. After each, I always respond "did we just elect a new pope?"

LOL...I hear ya bro..you working this morning?

460 redc1c4  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 4:09:44am

re: #456 freetoken

Added well over a million people from when I first lived here... much building in the county... lots of new communities, loss of the agricultural community, etc. Traffic much worse than it used to be. San Deigo (the city) lost some of that "lazy" feeling of a small town it used to have. It still is not like a big east coast city, but it is not what it used to be. The county feels more and more like Orange county, even a bit of LA.

gonna get worse.

461 redc1c4  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 4:11:01am

re: #444 Spare O'Lake

Good Morning LGF.
BTW, what is the meaning of this "White Smoke" of which some of you speak?
Pardon my ignorance.

Smoke and Pyro

White Smoke---Covering/Screening only
Yellow Smoke---Designated target (Fire at will)
Purple Smoke---All after is sarcastic
Green Smoke---Kook Identifed
White Star Cluster---All Clear
Yellow Star Cluster---Cease-fire
Red Star Cluster---Danger


Some Examples:

red says something smart and instead of "ducking," pops white smoke and disengages.

462 Only The Lurker Knows  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 4:11:29am

Morning all. Just my usual drive by posts as I prepare myself for another day of work.

re: #448 tappin52

re: #453 Rustler

re: #455 tappin52

Rapidly followed the next January by, What do you mean I have to file a tax return? Followed up shortly after by this

What? I still owe them money? (spoken in a loud outraged voice)

463 sattv4u2  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 4:11:33am

re: #459 HoosierHoops

LOL...I hear ya bro..you working this morning?

Just till 10 a.m. (been here since 10 last night, doing a late NBA and a late College BB game)

Right now I'm just babysitting a feed coming out of Jamaica and sending it to the US and Europe

464 Rustler  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 4:11:58am

I usually only use White Smoke is Sharmuta or Mandy are roaming the threads with their cluex4's and I make a comment which might draw there attention to increase my chances of meeting said Cluex4 head on.

465 redc1c4  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 4:12:21am

re: #442 Rustler

My problem was always with the greasy burgers and alcohol making reloading difficult.

you obviously need to practice more......

/thought you were the NCO, not me. %-)

466 sattv4u2  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 4:12:30am

re: #458 redc1c4

"Excommunication is a medieval punishment that should never be used."

bullshit. if you believe in and follow the Catholic religion, then you buy into it lock stock and 2 smoking barrels.

either you follow the Church or you fuck off on your own. you can't have it both ways.

/recovering Catholic

GGGAAAHHHHH ,,, too early in the morning AND week to get into a philisophical religious discussion. Some other time, perhaps!

467 sattv4u2  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 4:13:56am

re: #462 Bubblehead II

Morning all. Just my usual drive by posts as I prepare myself for another day of work.

re: #453 Rustler

re: #455 tappin52

Rapidly followed the next January by, What do you mean I have to file a tax return? Followed up shortly after by this

What? I still owe them money? (spoken in a loud outraged voice)

I'm more amused by those that say (come 4/15)


"I didn't PAY any taxes, I got money BACK"

Ummmm,,,, skippy ,,,,,, did you see your DEDUCTIONS for 52 weeks ?

468 redc1c4  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 4:14:01am

re: #464 Rustler

I usually only use White Smoke is Sharmuta or Mandy are roaming the threads with their cluex4's and I make a comment which might draw there attention to increase my chances of meeting said Cluex4 head on.

IIRC, they have AN/TAS, so smoke is not an issue .......

/to them. %-)

469 Spare O'Lake  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 4:14:36am

re: #438 nonic

Wtih all due respect, you are completely missing the point:
Is or is not the evil scumbag still a Bishop of the Church, even as we speak?

In recognition of all the Pope has done and is trying to do and in the name of all the good people in the society and those who are aligned with it, the SSPX should immediately censure or even expel Richard Williamson. He is a very troubled man in need of our prayers, but he should not be a Bishop or in any leadership position.

Please Bishop Fellay, if you and the society truly seek reconciliation, expel Richard Williamson.

Why was the lifting of the ex-communication not conditional upon or accompanied by the expulsion of the anti-Semitic holocaust denying Bishop?

470 monkeytime  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 4:14:37am

Morning Lizards. Didn't know if this has been posted already.

Limbaugh Responds to Obama Remark

471 Rustler  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 4:15:32am

re: #465 redc1c4
Nah I kept my stripes all of 73 days. Stupid LT in Panama believed that noise and light discipline weren't neccessary in training got us under fire from drug runners. After disengage he still wouldn't shut it so I used field expedient measures to silence him. I coulda ended in Leavenworth but because it was my class he was a student he was being disruptive and risking other troops my punishment was minimalized. I never went back to the board despite Top and the CO begging me.

472 redc1c4  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 4:15:44am

re: #466 sattv4u2

/complimentary white smoke for ya.......

473 sattv4u2  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 4:16:04am

re: #470 monkeytime

Morning Lizards. Didn't know if this has been posted already.

Limbaugh Responds to Obama Remark

extensivley discussed is a few threads yesterday

474 eon  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 4:16:28am

re: #450 Rustler

Pretty sure upon his excommunication he lost the Bishopship.

Good morning, Lizards.

(Good morning, littleoldlady! :-))

I have to agree with nonic. Excommunication is a (genuinely) medieval measure- in fact, it was more-or-less created in that historical period. The major reason for its existence was the various schisms within the Church at the time, which resulted in several so-called "Antipopes" (i.e., popes whose right to the Holy See was contested by various elements of the hierarchy). Excommunication was a standard tool used in such disputes to de-legitimize the opposition, from both sides. (In at least one case, two competing candidates for the See tried to excommunicate each other. IIRC, it ended with the College recognizing neither of them as legitimate candidates, and a third Cardinal being elevated to the papacy.)

I think His Holiness was entirely correct in revoking those excommunications. It's an outdated punitive measure that is of questionable legitimacy to begin with.

No, I'm not Catholic- I was actually raised Methodist. But the history of Christianity, in all its permutations, has always fascinated me, not least because of its role' in the shaping of Western civilization- a role' that is rarely acknowledged, or even admitted to, by "multicultural" history professors today.

/Except when they want to blame it for all society's ills, that is.

cheers

eon

475 nonic  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 4:16:31am

re: #447 littleoldlady

He IS "fired." He's not a "legal" bishop. That was the initial problem. I should look this up to be precise, but basically.... a guy named Levebre wanted to split from the Church over the traditional Latin mass and other Vatican II changes. He was a rogue, whether just a priest or a bishop, I don't know.

He ordained some priests who agreed with him and eventually made some of them bishops. They were all of them unofficial and self-appointed and not part of the Church hierarchy. They were "sinning" and their followers were "sinning" by attending their masses.

I used the quote marks because I do not attempt to speak for God -- I don't know WHAT his opinion of this was. I tend to feel that God is cool with anyone, anywhere, anytime who
follows the two rules Jesus laid out, love God and be good to other people.. But, whatever........

That's my problem about excommunication. It attempts to act for God, in his place. What is that called? Chutpsa?

It's my understanding that Benedict is trying to......... circle the wagons, as it were. Bring true believers back together. There are on-going attempts to bring the Russian and Greek Churchs back into the fold, also the Anglicans, and the Lefebre schismatics, too.

Especially with Christianity and Catholicism growing so hugely and rapidly in Africa and Asia and facing the islamic threat, unity -- or at least comity and cooperation -- are more important than ever.

Anyway. Benedict lifted the excommunication, which is nothing more than allowing this one individual to receive the sacrament. It's the media and the trouble makers who are trying to BAIT the Jewish community and discredit the Church with false claims that Benedict is embracing a Holocaust denier.

My tolerance of BS, in the middle of all this Obama knee-deep crap, is very strained, and this latest baiting and attacking both Jews and the Pope is raising my blood pressure.

476 sattv4u2  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 4:16:42am

re: #472 redc1c4

/complimentary white smoke for ya.......

did we elect a new Pope!?!?!?

((SEE Hoosier ,,, I TOLD ya I do it ! )))

477 Bob Dillon  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 4:17:01am

re: #458 redc1c4

"Excommunication is a medieval punishment that should never be used."

bullshit. if you believe in and follow the Catholic religion, then you buy into it lock stock and 2 smoking barrels.

either you follow the Church or you fuck off on your own. you can't have it both ways.

/recovering Catholic

The Muslims seem to have something similar - ostracize or death.

478 Digital Display  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 4:17:14am

re: #463 sattv4u2

Just till 10 a.m. (been here since 10 last night, doing a late NBA and a late College BB game)

Right now I'm just babysitting a feed coming out of Jamaica and sending it to the US and Europe

You have the coolest job in the world...

479 sattv4u2  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 4:17:33am

re: #473 sattv4u2

extensivley discussed is IN a few threads yesterday

PIMF

480 monkeytime  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 4:17:40am

re: #473 sattv4u2

Sorry I missed that. I was watching Burn After Reading last night.
Dark Comedy - I thought it was funny.

481 eon  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 4:18:57am

re: #461 redc1c4

Smoke and Pyro

White Smoke---Covering/Screening only
Yellow Smoke---Designated target (Fire at will)
Purple Smoke---All after is sarcastic
Green Smoke---Kook Identifed
White Star Cluster---All Clear
Yellow Star Cluster---Cease-fire
Red Star Cluster---Danger

Some Examples:

red says something smart and instead of "ducking," pops white smoke and disengages.

I assumed that it was the white smoke a stage magician vanishes behind (ie, ducks out through the curtains). Shows how much I know.

cheers

eon

482 Rustler  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 4:19:59am

re: #481 eon Magicians use it for the same reason Cover and Concealment.

483 Spare O'Lake  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 4:20:24am

re: #449 Rustler

White smoke is used as screen to disengage and sometimes in making assaults. when someone makes a cheeky comment in thread they pop white smoke and bail for a few comments.

OK, so it's a military term for a smoke screen to cover a quick thrust or a retreat...thanks for clarifying.

484 sattv4u2  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 4:20:25am

re: #478 HoosierHoops

You have the coolest job in the world...

yeah ,, remind me that on an NFL Sunday when I have half of Europe and Japan calling complaining that the audio is too loud,,, too soft ,,, over modulated ,, under modulated ,,, lip synch off ,,, chroma off,,,can we replay the 1st quarter (we tape every game) because they missed it

ALL AT THE SAME TIME!

485 redc1c4  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 4:22:13am

re: #471 Rustler

Nah I kept my stripes all of 73 days. Stupid LT in Panama believed that noise and light discipline weren't neccessary in training got us under fire from drug runners. After disengage he still wouldn't shut it so I used field expedient measures to silence him. I coulda ended in Leavenworth but because it was my class he was a student he was being disruptive and risking other troops my punishment was minimalized. I never went back to the board despite Top and the CO begging me.

that's 74 more than i had: i went in as an E-3, made E-4 a year later (within days) and was still an E-4 when i left 20 years later. no Art15's, no letters of reprimands, no busts, just an amazing confluence of events.

i never got to a board in the whole 20 years.

486 nonic  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 4:22:17am

re: #458 redc1c4

/recovering Catholic

Does that mean you've come back to the Church, or like a "recovered alcoholic" you've left the Church?

487 eon  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 4:23:44am

re: #482 Rustler

Magicians use it for the same reason Cover and Concealment.

I didn't think of the military application first because I tend to associate white smoke in that context with WP, and things don't generally get that intense around here.

/Except when a troll pops up and promptly gets the banning stick for its trouble, that is.

cheers

eon

488 monkeytime  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 4:24:04am

"My tolerance of BS, in the middle of all this Obama knee-deep crap, is very strained, and this latest baiting and attacking both Jews and the Pope is raising my blood pressure."

Well said brother. This list is at it's worst when it's members start picking on each others faith/denomination/lack of or whatever. We absolutely resemble "open minded" liberals when that happens with a big fat "my opinion of faith is so much more enlightened their yours." attitude which, by the way, NEVER encourages honest dialog and only resembles school yard bullying.

489 sattv4u2  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 4:24:24am

re: #486 nonic

/recovering Catholic

Does that mean you've come back to the Church, or like a "recovered alcoholic" you've left the Church?

usually indicates left! Like it was some sort of disease to have been one, which always offended me (as someone who is INFECTED by Catholicism)

490 littleoldlady  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 4:24:26am

eon! :-)

491 Harry Tuttle  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 4:24:58am

'Sup peeps.

Has the Obama captured the Osama yet?

I thought he was gonna invade Pakistan and take care of business.

492 sattv4u2  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 4:25:39am

re: #491 Harry Tuttle

'Sup peeps.

Has the Obama captured the Osama yet?

I thought he was gonna invade Pakistan and take care of business.

he bombed them 2 days ago! (or was it yesterday ,, I'm SO tired!)

493 eon  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 4:26:11am

re: #490 littleoldlady

eon! :-)

Hi! :-)

/feeling sillier than usual this AM- no, I don't know why

cheers

eon

494 Digital Display  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 4:29:52am

re: #473 sattv4u2

extensivley discussed is a few threads yesterday

Hey Satt..I'll post this now at 7:20am.. Staying clear of down dingers..
I have never heard Rush on the Radio..Not once..A lot of lizards seem to like him.. I have an issue with Rush.. About 5 - 7 years ago ESPN hired Rush for the NFL pre-game show.. That was the only time i have ever heard him.
Who is this guy? Guess he talks a lot and likes football..So what you got?
What he said about McNabb and being a black quarterback...Really upset me..
You know in sports..If you can throw an unhittable curve ball..I don't care if you are purple..Race has nothing to do with anything...A big slow white guy doesn't get you on the court..But Bill Walton walks on everytime...
That's why I think Jackie Robinson is in the top ten of all time kick ass great Americans...

495 Only The Lurker Knows  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 4:30:19am

re: #467 sattv4u2

Sounds like the wife and I. We intentionally overpay to insure we don't have any nasty little surprises come 4/15. Didn't work last year as someone in payroll changed my tax status from married but filing as single to married, filing as head of household. Federal return ended up paying our State tax bill. Bubblehead II was NOT a happy camper.

But I must log off now and finish getting ready for work. If things are slow today, I may be able to post from work.

L8R

496 eon  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 4:31:11am

re: #491 Harry Tuttle

'Sup peeps.

Has the Obama captured the Osama yet?

I thought he was gonna invade Pakistan and take care of business.

Well, to do that, President Zelig has to get his game face on.

My guess is, he'll first follow the trail as Ratty in Toad of Toad Hall, and then relive his triumph as Sancho Panza in Man of LaMancha, Like Chief Inspector W. H. "Snapper" Audens of Q Division.

/Very old Monty Python reference- indicating my belief that The One is all appearances, and no substance.

cheers

eon

497 Crux Australis  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 4:31:20am

I have been watching tennis (Australian Open) on and off for the last 12 hours and I think it's time for a break.

The Roger Federer comeback was a stomach-churner.

498 redc1c4  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 4:31:29am

re: #486 nonic

/recovering Catholic

Does that mean you've come back to the Church, or like a "recovered alcoholic" you've left the Church?

i gave up being Catholic for Lent one year and never went back.

i have no problem with God. i just have lots of issues with those (failable like me) persons who purport to speak for him here.

as the gentleman said, "it's not that Christianity has been tried and found wanting, it's that it's been tried and found difficult."

499 Rustler  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 4:31:40am

re: #494 HoosierHoops
What he said about Mcnabb tho is basically true. He recieves more hype than he deserves whether it is his Race or some other reason I don't know.

500 Spare O'Lake  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 4:32:43am

re: #475 nonic

Why was the lifting of the ex-communication not accompanied by or conditional upon the formal expulsion of this Jew-hating holocaust denying Bishop?
Can we not all agree that this evil person should not be an official of the Church, and that by not insisting on his removal the Pope has created the impression that the Church condones those views?
NO WHITE SMOKE.

501 sattv4u2  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 4:32:49am

re: #494 HoosierHoops

I thnk many people missed his (Rush's) point (I'm not saying you did, but maybe) His point at the time was that McNabb, while it looked like he was going to be a decent QB at the time was being hailed (in the MSM SPORTS media) as being VERY special (which at the time he wasn't) Rush was speculating that if it were a white QB with similar stats, would he be getting the postive press!

502 Rustler  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 4:33:50am

re: #500 Spare O'Lake
He was excommunicated for his Improper elevation to Bishop he was never made a Bishop by the church, but rather by a priest who was splitting with the church.

503 littleoldlady  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 4:34:10am

re: #475 nonic

Here's my general opinion/methodology when it comes to the Catholic Church:

/speaking as a Jew, of course

"Hey. It's your religion. Do what you want. (As long as you're not physically hurting someone.) Just don't expect me to be happy about it, or to thank you for it."

Yeah. That pretty much covers it. Some Popes are friendlier than others...

504 sattv4u2  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 4:34:44am

re: #498 redc1c4

as the gentleman said, "it's not that Christianity has been tried and found wanting, it's that it's been tried and found difficult."

I never recall being told that FAITH was EASY!

505 freetoken  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 4:34:55am

re: #480 monkeytime

I watched it also... must be catching.

Not my favorite Coen movie, by a long shot. Not only dark (which is common for a Coen bros movie), but somehow the humanity was especially venal but nevertheless without weight... just sort of a sour look at humanity and the human condition. It just seemed to miss something.

At times it almost veered into the Magnolia sort of serendipity-of-sin with all the happenstances.

506 redc1c4  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 4:35:25am

re: #489 sattv4u2

usually indicates left! Like it was some sort of disease to have been one, which always offended me (as someone who is INFECTED by Catholicism)

no offense intended: it simply didn't w*rk for me, despite the best efforts of my parents, the penguins and rest of the parish. %-)

no hate on my part, it just doesn't speak to me.

507 Rustler  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 4:36:28am

re: #503 littleoldlady
Yep I could care less if you worship Flying 1 eyed purple unicorns with 3 horns. As long as your worship doesn't call for the extermination of non believers, or hte forced conversions of non believers. Also a tolerance for my own religion like I give for yours would be a plus.

508 Harry Tuttle  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 4:36:52am

re: #496 eon

...
/Very old Monty Python reference- indicating my belief that The One is all appearances, and no substance.

cheers

eon

He isn't going to get the Obama then?

What about paying for my gas and mortgage?

509 army green since '92  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 4:37:13am

Sattv4u2 - I agree...
good morning from Germany...just clicking through some comments when I noticed the snarky little "/recovering catholic" comment too. It's long been a sore point for me, a devout practicing Catholic, when people claim that they're "recovering". Has anyone every heard of anyone proclaiming that they're recovering from something good for them? Recovery is good. Recovered/recovering alcoholics, cancer patients, addicts, amputees, etc are all in a good place because they've left behind whatever ailment, condition, or predicament that was hitherto destroying or otherwise bringing down their existence.

"Recovering Catholics" have never meant the comment to be interpreted as anything less than a condemnation of the Church and often are belittling the Faithful who remain behind. Those who want can say it, but I am compelled to pray for those lost souls...they only thing they should seek to recover from is thier broken faith and relationship with God.

Just sayin'...

510 sattv4u2  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 4:38:00am

re: #506 redc1c4

no offense intended: it simply didn't w*rk for me, despite the best efforts of my parents, the penguins and rest of the parish. %-)

no hate on my part, it just doesn't speak to me.

Thats all well and fine. But why disparage those that still are with the "recovering" adjective? Why not just say "I used to be a practicing Catholic",, OR ,, "I beleive in God, but don't practice any particular organized religion"?

511 Digital Display  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 4:39:19am

re: #499 Rustler

What he said about Mcnabb tho is basically true. He recieves more hype than he deserves whether it is his Race or some other reason I don't know.

Rustler! I love you dude...
Nobody ever said joey harrington sucked or was over rated because he was white..Did we believe that Montana was maybe the greatest QB of all time cause he was a white boy..Thank God..Race has no place in sports..If you can win 8 metals in the olympic nobody says..well it was cause he was white..
/ The coffee is ready...I admire athletes for what they do...

512 eon  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 4:39:35am

re: #500 Spare O'Lake

Why was the lifting of the ex-communication not accompanied by or conditional upon the formal expulsion of this Jew-hating holocaust denying Bishop?
Can we not all agree that this evil person should not be an official of the Church, and that by not insisting on his removal the Pope has created the impression that the Church condones those views?
NO WHITE SMOKE.

As the Bard would say, aye, there's the rub. Is Holocaust denial a cardinal sin, or "merely" venial?

Myself, with an uncle who saw one of the death camps first hand (he was there when Patton took the locals from a neighboring town through the one Third Army liberated, and then asked them to their faces "Are you trying to tell me you had no idea this was happening?") I put Holocaust deniers in the same general category as NAMBLA "members", and don't get me started on how I feel they should be dealt with by the law.

I really don't want to get banned, for any freaking reason. Now you know why I tend to step carefully around these threads. I do have opinions, some of them fairly strong- but I tend to keep them to myself.

/Limited "hang-out" mode off

cheers

eon

513 redc1c4  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 4:40:12am

re: #500 Spare O'Lake

Why was the lifting of the ex-communication not accompanied by or conditional upon the formal expulsion of this Jew-hating holocaust denying Bishop?
Can we not all agree that this evil person should not be an official of the Church, and that by not insisting on his removal the Pope has created the impression that the Church condones those views?
NO WHITE SMOKE.

i always thought "ex-communication" *was* expulsion.......

i'm not up on the issue you're discussing, but if the facts are as you've related, i support your views.

514 nonic  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 4:40:35am

re: #469 Spare O'Lake

QUOTE FROM 469 Is or is not the evil scumbag still a Bishop of the Church, even as we speak? END QUOTE

No, he is not. Even the NY Times admits that [Link: www.nytimes.com...] He is probably not actually even a priest.

QUOTE FROM TIMES In a statement Saturday, the Vatican said that the pope would “reconsider” whether to formally affirm the four as full bishops, but referred to the men by that title. END QUOTE

QUOTE FROM 469 Why was the lifting of the ex-communication not conditional upon or accompanied by the expulsion of the anti-Semitic holocaust denying Bishop? END QUOTE

Excommunication is something that is done to an individual person. There could have been the choice to lift the other excommunications, but not his.

However, to receive communion is to receive God. Many people privately pray as they receive communion that God will make them worthy of it, forgive their sins, increase their faith. It is not the good and wonderful and saintly who NEED communion. It is, in fact, the worst of us who need God the most to come and make us worthy and heal us. That's another private prayer, for healing of the soul.

There are and were and are some very, very strict New England style Puritan type of Christian communities that expel and shun people that the congregants and minister deem to be unworthy sinners.

That is not the way of the Catholic Church. Which is why the Catholic Church has Confession and Absolution, a continually available admission of sin and God's forgiveness.

515 eon  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 4:41:01am

re: #508 Harry Tuttle

He isn't going to get the Obama then?

What about paying for my gas and mortgage?

Don't hold your breath. (Except when filling the tank, that is.)

/Is it my imagination, or does gasoline smell worse, these days?

cheers

eon

516 akak  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 4:41:11am

re: #512 eon

once a nazi yute always a nazi yute?

517 sattv4u2  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 4:42:33am

re: #515 eon

Don't hold your breath. (Except when filling the tank, that is.)

/Is it my imagination, or does gasoline smell worse, these days?

cheers

eon

Don't know. I've made it a habit not to stick the nozzle up my nose!

(((well ,,, there WAS that time back in the late 70's when pot and glue were scarce ,, but thats another story!)))

518 eon  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 4:43:08am

re: #516 akak

once a nazi yute always a nazi yute?

Huh?

/Boy Scout and Explorer

cheers

eon

519 Rustler  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 4:43:45am

re: #511 HoosierHoops

Yeah Rush wasn't really commenting on McNabb when he made his far Overblown quote. I think he was more talking about the media and the fact that they were overhyping based on his race. It's not something that was ever said about Randall Cunningham because he was good, he played well but if anything was underhyped. McNabb on the otherhand was a good College QB but he was Barely passing muster in my eyes as an NFL QB and the media wouldn't shut up about him.

520 Rustler  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 4:44:43am

re: #513 redc1c4
Nope Excommunication is nothing more than denial of the Communion wafer and other sacrements.

521 Rustler  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 4:46:16am

re: #515 eon
Its the Ethanol and detergents added to the fuel.

522 eon  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 4:46:29am

re: #517 sattv4u2

Don't know. I've made it a habit not to stick the nozzle up my nose!

(((well ,,, there WAS that time back in the late 70's when pot and glue were scarce ,, but thats another story!)))

I have a minivan. Trying to keep the nozzle in just the right position so that backpressure doesn't kick the pump release without getting my face over it is about impossible. And the seal disc doesn't meet the end of the filler neck. I am acutely aware of what 82 octane unleaded smells like. Paint thinner is less repulsive, IMHO, and I hate the smell of it. Yuck.

cheers

eon

523 Bloodnok  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 4:46:33am

Good morning. It's 3 freaking degrees here in MA. 3!

524 eon  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 4:47:28am

re: #521 Rustler

Its the Ethanol and detergents added to the fuel.

No wonder I need an Alka-Seltzer after a fillup. Thanks.

cheers

eon

525 Digital Display  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 4:47:34am

re: #519 Rustler

Yeah Rush wasn't really commenting on McNabb when he made his far Overblown quote. I think he was more talking about the media and the fact that they were overhyping based on his race. It's not something that was ever said about Randall Cunningham because he was good, he played well but if anything was underhyped. McNabb on the otherhand was a good College QB but he was Barely passing muster in my eyes as an NFL QB and the media wouldn't shut up about him.

I saved your comment...It's nice having a conversation about racial issues without somebody having a melt down.
I wonder about the Talk shows today..Who is the guest on MTP today Satt?

526 sattv4u2  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 4:48:49am

re: #523 Bloodnok

Good morning. It's 3 freaking degrees here in MA. 3!

After 45 years of freezing my ears off 7-8 months a year, thats why I moved from there 10 years ago!

527 Rustler  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 4:48:50am

re: #523 Bloodnok
It's a Balmy 36 here. I wish our weather would make up it's mind was 58 when I came on shift Tursday night, Friday was 21, last night 38.

528 army green since '92  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 4:48:55am

re: #506 redc1c4


Ditto post from Sattv4u2...I am sad to hear you lost your faith and way in the Church, but why the condecending comments? Penguins? Recovering?

Got Issues?

Anyone up for a fish fry Friday? (see, now that's funny sarc, not so much your comments)

529 sattv4u2  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 4:49:23am

re: #525 HoosierHoops

I saved your comment...It's nice having a conversation about racial issues without somebody having a melt down.
I wonder about the Talk shows today..Who is the guest on MTP today Satt?

MTP !?!?!

530 sattv4u2  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 4:49:39am

re: #529 sattv4u2

MTP !?!?!

OH ,, Meet The Press! DUHH ,, I dunno!

531 Rustler  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 4:50:04am

re: #529 sattv4u2
Meet the Press I believe.

532 Digital Display  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 4:50:06am

re: #529 sattv4u2

MTP !?!?!

Meet the Press!

533 Rustler  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 4:51:25am

re: #525 HoosierHoops
Np I try not to blow up unless people are being really ignorant allthough at times due to pain or frustration it happens even in Civil Discourse.

534 sattv4u2  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 4:52:28am

re: #528 army green since '92

Ditto post from Sattv4u2...I am sad to hear you lost your faith and way in the Church, but why the condecending comments? Penguins? Recovering?

Got Issues?

Anyone up for a fish fry Friday? (see, now that's funny sarc, not so much your comments)

I don't need to know why someone left the church, nor do I have any desire to try to change their minds!
As to your other point,,, make mine COD please

535 sattv4u2  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 4:53:21am

re: #531 Rustler

re: #532 HoosierHoops

Thanks ,,, I'm a little punchy. Except for a 2 hour nap, I've been up for almost 24 hours now!

536 Digital Display  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 4:53:44am

re: #530 sattv4u2

OH ,, Meet The Press! DUHH ,, I dunno!

With the Dems in office..George's this week will have great guests on every week...It's just the way things will be for 4 years..As long as the 16 yr doesn't put up Nancy Pelosi posters up in his room..we'll survive.

537 Rustler  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 4:55:12am

re: #536 HoosierHoops
What if the Pelosi Picture is just for target practice with the nerf launcher.

538 sattv4u2  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 4:56:32am

re: #531 Rustler

re: #532 HoosierHoops

Okay ,, juts called a contact at ABC . This is what he sent me

LAWRENCE SUMMERS Director, National Economic Council REP. JOHN BOEHNER (R-OH) House Republican Leader TOM FRIEDMAN Columnist, New York Times STEPHEN HAYES Senior Writer, The Weekly Standard
MICHELE NORRIS Host, NPR's "All Things Considered"

539 redc1c4  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 4:57:34am

re: #510 sattv4u2

Thats all well and fine. But why disparage those that still are with the "recovering" adjective? Why not just say "I used to be a practicing Catholic",, OR ,, "I beleive in God, but don't practice any particular organized religion"?


i do not disparage those who hold the Faith; that i honor. i have an utter contempt for those who represent the Church, especially as it is operated in SoCal, since that is two wildly different things, such as :
Cardinal Mahoney.

and his Los Angeles Cathedral.

Bishop Roger Zeaman (ancient history to many, but not to me)
he was Father Zeaman at our parish, but fortunately, i didn't listen when he insisted that i become an altar boy....

he didn't get busted until he was a Bishop, w*rking on Cardinal.

if anything, i think God helped turn me away from the church and religion.

540 Rustler  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 4:58:37am

Ahh how convenient the Knork will soon replace the Spork.

541 redc1c4  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 4:58:56am

re: #520 Rustler

Nope Excommunication is nothing more than denial of the Communion wafer and other sacrements.

i stand corrected.... it's been awhile.

542 army green since '92  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 4:59:46am

Info on Excommunication

Excommunication - Medicine for the Soul

First, we will look at how the Church understands excommunication. To begin, excommunication is one of three types of censure (the other two are suspension and interdict).

Censures are otherwise known as medicinal penalties. Their purpose is not to punish an individual for violating the law. The purpose is to act as medicine for the soul that will bring about repentance, so that the person can return to full communion with the Church.

Excommunication is the most serious of the three censures. Canon 1331 prohibits an excommunicated person from sharing in any ministerial function in the liturgy, including receiving or celebrating the sacraments and sacramentals and exercising any ecclesiastical office, ministry, function, or act of governance within the Church.

543 redc1c4  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 5:00:12am

re: #522 eon

I have a minivan.

eon

hehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehe..................

/white smoke

544 Rustler  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 5:00:48am

re: #543 redc1c4
Another New Pope?

545 redc1c4  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 5:01:10am

re: #523 Bloodnok

Good morning. It's 3 freaking degrees here in MA. 3!

i can walk outside barefoot.......

/if i don't mind spilling my drink and waking the cats.

546 Rustler  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 5:02:39am

re: #545 redc1c4 Just waiting for Erik to show up now to give us the 78 degrees sunny and breezy report from poolside in Durbin now.

547 nonic  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 5:02:41am

re: #498 redc1c4

Each his own way. Peace be with you. :-)

548 redc1c4  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 5:03:02am

re: #528 army green since '92

Ditto post from Sattv4u2...I am sad to hear you lost your faith and way in the Church, but why the condecending comments? Penguins? Recovering?

Got Issues?

Anyone up for a fish fry Friday? (see, now that's funny sarc, not so much your comments)

lutefisk, maybe?

the glazzed doughnut first fryday breakfasts were kool, after a fashion.

549 Digital Display  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 5:03:24am

re: #538 sattv4u2

re: #532 HoosierHoops

Okay ,, juts called a contact at ABC . This is what he sent me

LAWRENCE SUMMERS Director, National Economic Council REP. JOHN BOEHNER (R-OH) House Republican Leader TOM FRIEDMAN Columnist, New York Times STEPHEN HAYES Senior Writer, The Weekly Standard
MICHELE NORRIS Host, NPR's "All Things Considered"

You Rock dude...
I have an issue with old tommy friedman..He wrote favorable articles about Iraq back when Bush was Popular..Then he changed his tune when the going got rough..then he became an 'expert' on terrorism and became a total pessimist.. I'm surprised Reid didn't hire him as a press spokesman.
You feeling me Tommy?

550 sattv4u2  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 5:03:32am

re: #539 redc1c4

i do not disparage those who hold the Faith; that i honor. i have an utter contempt for those who represent the Church, especially as it is operated in SoCal, since that is two wildly different things, such as :
Cardinal Mahoney.

and his Los Angeles Cathedral.

Bishop Roger Zeaman (ancient history to many, but not to me)
he was Father Zeaman at our parish, but fortunately, i didn't listen when he insisted that i become an altar boy....

he didn't get busted until he was a Bishop, w*rking on Cardinal.

if anything, i think God helped turn me away from the church and religion.

Again, thats all well and fine. Sorry, but it IS disparaging to those MILLIONS that practice to be told that you are "recovering", like there's something genetically wrong with those that are NOT recovering.

Lets say that a trait that you were EXTREMELY proud of is that you have BRIGHT RED HAIR. It's a large part of who you are. You identify yourself in large part to it. You, like other proud and practicing RedHeads beleive it is THE color of hair to be! Would you be off put if someone stated that they are a RECOVERING REDHEAD!?!?!

551 sattv4u2  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 5:04:36am

re: #544 Rustler

Another New Pope?

It's like being a #2 Al Q. We seem to ALWAYS be killing one!

552 Rustler  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 5:05:18am

re: #549 HoosierHoops
Reid didn't take him because Obama want's him to be the White house Liason to the CIA on terrorism.

553 nonic  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 5:05:55am

re: #500 Spare O'Lake

QUOTE Can we not all agree that this evil person should not be an official of the Church, and that by not insisting on his removal the Pope has created the impression that the Church condones those views? END QUOTE

He is NOT an "official of the Church."

There is NO way that anyone, even the Pope -- maybe especially the Pope -- can control "impressions" of what he/ she does.

Ask Sarah Palin.

554 Digital Display  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 5:06:04am

re: #551 sattv4u2

It's like being a #2 Al Q. We seem to ALWAYS be killing one!

Well with AQ..There always seems to be opportunities for advancement

555 redc1c4  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 5:06:22am

re: #547 nonic

Each his own way. Peace be with you. :-)

and with you.

/no smoke at all

556 Rustler  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 5:06:25am

re: #550 sattv4u2
Maybe he is just recovering from the Disillusion caused by the branch of the church where he grew up?

557 sattv4u2  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 5:07:27am

re: #549 HoosierHoops

You Rock dude...
I have an issue with old tommy friedman..He wrote favorable articles about Iraq back when Bush was Popular..Then he changed his tune when the going got rough..then he became an 'expert' on terrorism and became a total pessimist.. I'm surprised Reid didn't hire him as a press spokesman.
You feeling me Tommy?

I know. And notice that Georgie boy ALWAYS stacks the deck. Today, 3 libs, 2 conservatives (it's NEVER the other way around)

And the round table is worse. Counting George S., there's usually 4 Libs against George Will! (well ,, actually,, I guess thats intellectually fair !)

558 eon  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 5:07:33am

re: #543 redc1c4

hehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehe................ ..

/white smoke

Yeah, and that's what comes out of the back end at every startup. My mechanic says that it's typical of GM V6 engines- they run forever, but they have a laundry list of weird antics that drive you crazy until you realize that it's not affecting their performance or damaging the engine.

My next vehicle (G-d and my bank balance willing) is going to be a reasonably fuel-efficient, automatic-transmission, non- GM, and probably imported 4x4. I've always driven domestics, but I'm about to swear off them. Permanently.

/Toyotas and Volvos are looking better to me every day.

cheers

eon

559 redc1c4  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 5:08:47am

re: #546 Rustler

Just waiting for Erik to show up now to give us the 78 degrees sunny and breezy report from poolside in Durbin now.

my pools in the low 50*s about now, maybe, but give it a few months.

ambient air temp has been beer drinking weather.

560 Rustler  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 5:09:02am

re: #557 sattv4u2 Only if he gets "high" first to slow the mental process and give him the stress releif he needs to deal with the whackjobs.

561 eon  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 5:09:53am

Well, I have to run. Have a great day, Lizards.

cheers

eon

562 Rustler  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 5:11:10am

re: #560 Rustler Relief PiMF. But speaking of that word while in Elementary school we had an in class spelling B and one student when asked to spell relief busted out R O L A I D S. Teacher laughed and gave him credit for proper spelling.

563 Digital Display  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 5:11:20am

re: #558 eon

Yeah, and that's what comes out of the back end at every startup. My mechanic says that it's typical of GM V6 engines- they run forever, but they have a laundry list of weird antics that drive you crazy until you realize that it's not affecting their performance or damaging the engine.

My next vehicle (G-d and my bank balance willing) is going to be a reasonably fuel-efficient, automatic-transmission, non- GM, and probably imported 4x4. I've always driven domestics, but I'm about to swear off them. Permanently.

/Toyotas and Volvos are looking better to me every day.
My dad has a Popular Mechanics issue from the 50's that says my next car will be Nuclear..
I'M STILL WAITING!

cheers

eon

564 Rustler  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 5:11:22am

re: #561 eon
Be safe.

565 sattv4u2  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 5:11:35am

re: #556 Rustler

Maybe he is just recovering from the Disillusion caused by the branch of the church where he grew up?

Hey ,,, I never claimed that ALL Popes/ Cardinals/ Bishops/ Monsiegners/ Priests/ nuns/ practitioners were "perfect". But to lump ALL Catholics together is like blaming ALL Iraqis for invading Kuwait,, or ALL Germans for the holocaust,, or ALL white males for the Oklahoma City bombing!

566 redc1c4  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 5:12:36am

re: #550 sattv4u2

Again, thats all well and fine. Sorry, but it IS disparaging to those MILLIONS that practice to be told that you are "recovering", like there's something genetically wrong with those that are NOT recovering.

Lets say that a trait that you were EXTREMELY proud of is that you have BRIGHT RED HAIR. It's a large part of who you are. You identify yourself in large part to it. You, like other proud and practicing RedHeads beleive it is THE color of hair to be! Would you be off put if someone stated that they are a RECOVERING REDHEAD!?!?!

it wouldn't bother me at all, but i see your point. since we already have enough needless religious acrimony here at LGF, i will endeavor to not use the phrase again, out of courtesy.

in return, what are YOU going to do to rid the Church of the predators it's been shielding all these years?

567 Rustler  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 5:14:12am

re: #565 sattv4u2
I never really saw it as an insult to the church when I'd hear someone call themselves recovering Catholics or christians or whatever. Usually I saw it as someone who was disillusioned for some reason either locally or nationally. I knew a number of Catholics who after the big Molestation fiasco left the church and called themselves recovering because they were recovering from having their faith smashed.

568 nonic  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 5:14:17am

re: #503 littleoldlady

Here's my general opinion/methodology when it comes to the Catholic Church:

/speaking as a Jew, of course

"Hey. It's your religion. Do what you want. (As long as you're not physically hurting someone.) Just don't expect me to be happy about it, or to thank you for it."

Yeah. That pretty much covers it. Some Popes are friendlier than others...

Yeah, I guess that's the way I feel about most other people's religions, too -- especially islam.

But I gotta tell you, I don't feel that way about Judaism. I love Judaism, I love Israel, I am predisposed toward Jews.
"Our elder brothers."

569 army green since '92  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 5:14:59am

re: #548 redc1c4

belly laughs...

cod, and don't forget the cold PBR on tap.

Sattv4u2 is right, though, your experience and contempt for the abuse/abusers are valid but your conclusions are wrong. You're not a recovering Catholic unless you explicitly believe Catholicism is a wrong from which rational and healthy people should actively seek recovery. You are a lapsed Catholic or non-practicing.

God didn't lead you away from the Church. You abandonded Him and His Church. Harsh, maybe, but true.

570 akak  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 5:15:02am

re: #565 sattv4u2

Hey ,,, I never claimed that ALL Popes/ Cardinals/ Bishops/ Monsiegners/ Priests/ nuns/ practitioners were "perfect". But to lump ALL Catholics together is like blaming ALL Iraqis for invading Kuwait,, or ALL Germans for the holocaust,, or ALL white malesIraqi Republican Guard for the Oklahoma City bombing!

fixed

571 sattv4u2  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 5:16:15am

re: #566 redc1c4

it wouldn't bother me at all, but i see your point. since we already have enough needless religious acrimony here at LGF, i will endeavor to not use the phrase again, out of courtesy.

in return, what are YOU going to do to rid the Church of the predators it's been shielding all these years?

As a member of my churches advisory board, when one is exposed we write a letter ( on our churches letterhead) to that dioceses Cardinal imploring him to turn over all files to the civil authorities

572 sattv4u2  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 5:18:00am

re: #570 akak

fixed

Timothy McVeigh was a member of the Iraqi Republican Guard !?!?!

573 Pullus Iulius  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 5:18:24am

re: #563 HoosierHoops

To borrow a line from Get Smart, "Of course it's atomic. And what kind of atoms do you think it runs on? Gasoline atoms."

574 akak  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 5:19:42am

re: #572 sattv4u2

Timothy McVeigh was a member of the Iraqi Republican Guard !?!?!

no Marwan Mahmud & Hassain Hashem al-Hussaini his acccomplices were.

575 Rustler  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 5:23:39am

re: #572 sattv4u2
Not that I was ever aware of.

576 sattv4u2  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 5:25:07am

re: #574 akak

no Marwan Mahmud & Hassain Hashem al-Hussaini his acccomplices were.

Tried and convicted, were they?

577 Rustler  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 5:25:09am

re: #574 akak
Terry Nichols was the only Confirmed Accomplice.

578 Spare O'Lake  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 5:25:28am

re: #553 nonic

OK, I think I get it now. I accept that the Pope lifted the ex-communications in order to heal a rift in the Church. I even get the part about not ex-communicating anti-Semites and holocaust deniers.

But what IMHO has not been well-communicated by the Pope is the clarification that the "Bishop" is actually not a Bishop at all because his appointment was not approved by the Church in the first place, and that the lifting of his ex-communication does not validate his appointment as a Bishop but only restores his right to receive Communion.
It seems to me, with all due respect, that a simple statement to this effect from the Pope would put this issue to rest. If the Pope chooses not to clarify this issue, then it begs the question of why not.

Finally, a general comment. I am not a Catholic but I think everyone would recognize that the Pope's statements and actions are very important and have very serious consequences far beyond the boundaries of the Church itself. As such, the wider implications of the Pope's pronouncements and actions should be fair game for discussion. I know I certainly learn from discussing these issues - this present discussion is an excellent example.

579 Rustler  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 5:27:29am
In February 2004, the FBI announced it would review its investigation after learning that agents in the investigation of the Midwest Bank Robbers (an alleged Aryan-oriented gang) had turned up explosive caps of the same type that were used to trigger the Oklahoma City bomb. Agents expressed surprise that bombing investigators had not been provided information from the Midwest Bank Robbers investigation. McVeigh was given a one-week delay prior to his execution while evidence relating to the Bank Robbers' gang was presented to a court.

White Supremacist involvement was believed to be associated becasue of the circumstantial evidence above but I've never heard of suspected republican guard involvement.

580 akak  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 5:28:31am

re: #576 sattv4u2

Ask McVeigh's lawyer & former director of CIA Woolsey & the jury, but if you want to take the Clinton FBI verison that's up to you.

581 Rustler  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 5:29:16am

re: #578 Spare O'Lake
It's more the press burying such comments. It was in the NY Times that the Pope didn't recognize the eclesiastical standing of these individuals but would concider making the appointments.

582 akak  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 5:30:26am

re: #577 Rustler


Edwin Angeles co-founder of Abu Sayyaf disagrees Rustler.

583 army green since '92  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 5:30:46am

Recc1c4,

Thanks for conceding the point.

I have expressed my opinion on clergy sex scandals to my priest and to my bishop. I pray for the victims and feel they deserve justice and recompense. Abusers deserve removal from their offices, treatment, punishment, and pity. Jail terms and loss of faculty in the Church are not inappropriate, but those matters are decided where I have no influence.

I would rat out any abuser including clergy and religious if I encountered it. I completely disagreed with the handling of the scandals over the past few years, but I'm confident that there will be improvements and fewer incidents. Benedict is no slouch when it comes to addressing tough issues. Have faith.

It dovetails nicely with the discussion here on the lifting of excommunication and that wacko "bishop". I'd like to see a stronger condemnation of his holocaust denial, but think of it this way:

1. He's not a real bishop, having been illicitly ordained.
2. Lifting of the censure of excommunication is only the first step in reconciling with the Church. He's still obligated to make a good sacramental confession and resume regular reception of the sacraments according to the precepts of the Church.
3. The Pope's goal here is the normalization of relationships between a faction and the Church - unification. This requires some concessions...but
4. If the Pope directly responded to the comments rather than, as was already done, reply through a lower official it would only lend more publicity to the problem...

All IMHO.

584 sattv4u2  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 5:30:52am

re: #580 akak

Ask McVeigh's lawyer & former director of CIA Woolsey & the jury, but if you want to take the Clinton FBI verison that's up to you.

naahhh ,,, but I also prefer not to take web conspirator theorists versions either, but thats just me

585 Rustler  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 5:32:35am

re: #580 akak
Defense Lawyers are not good sources on what their clients did.

586 sattv4u2  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 5:32:36am

re: #582 akak

Edwin Angeles co-founder of Abu Sayyaf disagrees Rustler.

I take that as a "HEY ,, LOOK AT US ,,, WE'RE INVOLVED ,,, WE'RE IMPORTANT,,,,, WE CAN GET YOU" bloviating

587 Scion9  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 5:33:04am

re: #579 Rustler

I never got why the McVeigh-White Supremacist angle never got legs in the media. For fact he was a pimp for the Turner Diaries and other racist trash.

In regards to the excommunication topic, I was under the impression that according to Catholic theology that if one was excommunicated they were not able to fulfill those rituals that prevented one from lapsing into apostasy. Essentially those that were excommunicated were sentenced to hell.

588 akak  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 5:34:10am

re: #584 sattv4u2


CIA director & Counter Terror Task Force director, Arlen Spector, etc etc
are web conspirators? sheesh I never knew

589 sattv4u2  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 5:34:53am

re: #580 akak
but if you want to take the Clinton FBI verison

Lets look at it this way. I have no love lost for the Clinton admin, but what did they gain by NOT exposing that McViegh had Iraqi or Abu Sayyef assistance?

590 tokyobk  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 5:34:57am

So, the imam of the largest mosques in Minneapolis is on a no-fly list. Just lovely. I wonder if there are some Quaker and Buddhist leaders on there too?

591 Rustler  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 5:35:05am

re: #587 Scion9
Yep If reconciliation with the Church is not made Excommunicated individuals are basically condemned to hell.

592 tokyobk  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 5:36:08am

sorry, link here.

593 goddessoftheclassroom  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 5:36:39am

Good morning, Lizards.

594 sattv4u2  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 5:37:10am

re: #593 goddessoftheclassroom

{GOTC} ,,

595 rightside  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 5:37:15am

re: #593 goddessoftheclassroom

{goddess}

596 army green since '92  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 5:38:47am

I wish I had known the topic of the SSPX and excommunication was going to be a hot topic...a good resource was our celebrant this morning and I could have asked.

There's no way to convey humility or not come off as bragging in comments, but our contract priest is a retired priest from Regensburg, Germany. He lives in a small community of retired priests including Msgnr. Ratzinger - the Pope's brother. I've only met Msgnr. Ratzinger once, but we do get news from Rome a little more direct than most.

It's actually very cool to live in Bavaria these days, especially near the Pope's hometown. Humbly, then, I look forward to asking more about the SSPX deal and hearing some of the insider news.

597 akak  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 5:38:51am

re: #589 sattv4u2

but if you want to take the Clinton FBI verison

Lets look at it this way. I have no love lost for the Clinton admin, but what did they gain by NOT exposing that McViegh had Iraqi or Abu Sayyef assistance?

That, I have no idea what they may or may not have received in contributuions to the Clinton Foundation or anything like that.

598 Scion9  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 5:39:09am

re: #589 sattv4u2

but if you want to take the Clinton FBI verison

Lets look at it this way. I have no love lost for the Clinton admin, but what did they gain by NOT exposing that McViegh had Iraqi or Abu Sayyef assistance?

I don't know anything about the controversy over the FBI's McVeigh file, but it would certainly be beneficial for Clinton to not have to take Iraq to task over the largest terror attack in the history of our nation.

Learning that Oklahoma City was state-sponsored terrorism rather than a 'lone' nut would have been a Clinton PR disaster.

599 goddessoftheclassroom  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 5:41:26am

{sattv4u2}
{rightside}

Anyone have any updates to the Prayer List before I post it?

600 n in wi  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 5:41:50am

re: #589 sattv4u2

but if you want to take the Clinton FBI verison

Lets look at it this way. I have no love lost for the Clinton admin, but what did they gain by NOT exposing that McViegh had Iraqi or Abu Sayyef assistance?


Nope, they had more to gain, politically, buy blaming it on Limbaugh hate speech.

601 army green since '92  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 5:41:58am

re: #587 Scion9

Actually, excommunication is meant to be a remedial action that helps one, albeit in a very serious way, find your way back to the Church and God. Check out this link Strong Medicine

602 sattv4u2  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 5:41:58am

re: #598 Scion9

I don't know anything about the controversy over the FBI's McVeigh file, but it would certainly be beneficial for Clinton to not have to take Iraq to task over the largest terror attack in the history of our nation.

Learning that Oklahoma City was state-sponsored terrorism rather than a 'lone' nut would have been a Clinton PR disaster.

How so? When was Bush's LARGEST approval ratings? Right after we went after the Taliban/ Al Q in Afghan for the 9/11 attacks. Clinton, who already had good PR, would have erased the ONE perceived "negative" about him (not tough on terror ,, not willing to engage militarily)

603 tokyobk  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 5:42:20am

Link does not seem to work. The current Newsweek online talks about recruiting from Mosques. It ends with this gem:

"How does a child who's been in the U.S. since he was 4 or 5 become convinced to leave his parents and go to war in Somalia?" A number of families across Minneapolis are wondering the same thing.

Indeed.

604 sattv4u2  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 5:42:37am

re: #600 n in wi

see my 602

605 Rustler  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 5:42:59am

re: #588 akak
I can't find a sungle reference of Specter claiming any Islamist Coconspirators. I've found where he was involved with looking at reports claiming such but not anything of him saying it.

606 Ben Hur  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 5:43:23am

Afghan president: US forces OBAMA killed 16 civilians

KABUL, Afghanistan – President Hamid Karzai condemned a U.S. operation he said killed 16 Afghan civilians, while hundreds of villagers denounced the American military during an angry demonstration Sunday.

Karzai said the killing of innocent Afghans during U.S. military operations "is strengthening the terrorists."

Obeichman?

Rahm's dark hand?

Raytheon?

607 sattv4u2  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 5:44:14am

re: #605 Rustler

I can't find a sungle reference of Specter claiming any Islamist Coconspirators. I've found where he was involved with looking at reports claiming such but not anything of him saying it.

All I come up with is a long list of bloggers speculations and attempts to connect dots

608 n in wi  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 5:46:19am

re: #604 sattv4u2

see my 602

I agree, if they had that angle to play they would have. The insinuating that it was Rush's hate speech is how they played it. Evidence of either not withstanding.

609 nonic  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 5:46:36am

re: #578 Spare O'Lake

First, unless one goes to the source (the Vatican site or there's some Italian newspaper that is the official voice of the Vatican), you can't really know what EXACTLY the Pope said -- if he said anything, because often these things come through underlings.

And it's my opinion that the media, WHEN they know what they're doing at all, take advantage of the public's general lack of information and shade things to look one way or the other. They do this with the Supreme Court all the time.

Anyway. Secondly, even though we expect otherwise, apparently the Pope and the Vatican do not consider the American audience their most important concern. Hey, it's a big world, there are Catholics all over it, and American Catholics, being fairly reliable as things go, are probably the last concern.

This Pope said early on that he is not interested in building a bigger but flabbier Church. He's not looking to please crowds and entice people into the Church. He thinks a smaller (if necessary) but STRONGER Church will better serve mankind and God.

610 Rustler  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 5:46:37am

re: #607 sattv4u2
Same I was looking for an actual quote by specter closest I found was an Article by Glen Beck which asked the question but wasn't answered.

611 Scion9  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 5:48:26am

re: #602 sattv4u2

Clinton, who already had good PR, would have erased the ONE perceived "negative" about him (not tough on terror ,, not willing to engage militarily)

That perceived negative, was one solely perceived by more 'right leaning' Americans. Clinton made a ton of campaign promises to his far left constituency and then reneged on almost everything. Weak militarily is a positive quality to that crowd.

Regardless, a state-sponsored terror attack would have only further condemned him among the side of the aisle that said his lack of military action invited naked aggression from our enemies. It would have been ammo for partisans, and proof of their hypothesis that the FBI can't fight terrorism.

It would also have potentially forced his hand into military intervention in Iraq, which would have only inflamed his most ardent supporters in the anti-war left. That is a no win situation.

612 Rustler  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 5:48:56am
Perelman, Marc Forward 11-01-2002 Two legislators are asking the Bush administration to take a closer look at allegations that a Middle Eastern country, possibly Iraq, might have been involved in the 1995 Oklahoma City bombing. In recent weeks, Senator Arlen Specter of Pennsylvania and Rep. Dan Burton of Indiana, both Republicans, have relayed to the Bush administration allegations of Middle Eastern involvement in the bombing set forth by Jayna Davis, a former Oklahoma television reporter, and Larry Johnson, a former CIA officer and a deputy director of the State Department ...

Maybe this is what he meant? Might have been just means that there is evidence and it may be worthwhile to look into. From this.

613 shanec99  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 5:49:04am

re: #600 n in wi

Nope, they had more to gain, politically, buy blaming it on Limbaugh hate speech.


Do you have hard data that says that McVeigh had Iraqi assistance? Can you provide link?

614 Army Green since '92  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 5:49:11am

re: #599 goddessoftheclassroom

I'm not familiar with the Prayer List...can you explain briefly. I may want to add something to it.

Thanks

615 monkeytime  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 5:50:35am

re: #614 Army Green since '92

I'm not familiar with the Prayer List...can you explain briefly. I may want to add something to it.

Thanks

If there really is a prayer list can you add Our Troops if it is not already on there?
Thanks!

616 Rustler  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 5:50:56am

re: #614 Army Green since '92

Goddess maintains a list of Lizards and their dfamilies who may need to be in someones prayers due to health or other reasons.

617 Rustler  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 5:51:16am

re: #615 monkeytime
Believe they close to the top of the list.

618 sattv4u2  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 5:51:44am

re: #611 Scion9

That perceived negative, was one solely perceived by more 'right leaning' Americans. Clinton made a ton of campaign promises to his far left constituency and then reneged on almost everything. Weak militarily is a positive quality to that crowd.

Regardless, a state-sponsored terror attack would have only further condemned him among the side of the aisle that said his lack of military action invited naked aggression from our enemies. It would have been ammo for partisans, and proof of their hypothesis that the FBI can't fight terrorism.

It would also have potentially forced his hand into military intervention in Iraq, which would have only inflamed his most ardent supporters in the anti-war left. That is a no win situation.


But a strong RESPONSE to that would have been the perfect antidote! So again, he had MUCH more to gain by exposing any link beteeen McViegh and Iarq (or whomever) and being strong than covering it up!
AND to that piont (covering it up) how many people/ agencies would have to have been involved? You're telling me in all that time, all those people are to this day mum !?!?!?!

619 n in wi  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 5:52:09am

re: #613 shanec99

Do you have hard data that says that McVeigh had Iraqi assistance? Can you provide link?

I'm not commenting on any McVeigh / Iraq ties. Just how the Clinton Admin. played the angle of an outspoken opponent.

620 Scion9  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 5:53:16am

re: #602 sattv4u2

Again though, I wasn't aware of any controversy over the official FBI version of events, or that I question it. I'm just saying that there would have been a PR motive to blame right-wingers at large rather than Clinton's terror prevention policies.

621 sattv4u2  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 5:54:28am

re: #619 n in wi

I'm not commenting on any McVeigh / Iraq ties. Just how the Clinton Admin. played the angle of an outspoken opponent.

Rush would have led the parade congratulating Clinton IF there were an Iraqi connection and IF Clinton had acted militarily on it!

622 akak  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 5:55:31am

re: #610 Rustler
Specter questioned the FBI on their investigation & posssible involvement by others.

623 Rustler  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 5:56:41am

re: #621 sattv4u2
Did you see the Mini article I linked above which has Specter telling Bush administration A mid east country maybe Iraq Might have been involved. That may be where Akak got his info a possibility was turned into a certainty.

624 sattv4u2  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 5:56:47am

re: #622 akak

Specter questioned the FBI on their investigation & posssible involvement by others.


and found !?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!

625 Scion9  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 5:57:28am

re: #618 sattv4u2

But a strong RESPONSE to that would have been the perfect antidote! So again, he had MUCH more to gain by exposing any link beteeen McViegh and Iarq (or whomever) and being strong than covering it up!
AND to that piont (covering it up) how many people/ agencies would have to have been involved? You're telling me in all that time, all those people are to this day mum !?!?!?!

Well, I disagree that Clinton would have had anything to gain in the way of popularity and precious legacy by re-invading Iraq, especially among those circles that mattered most. I don't think he was particularly interested in currying favor with hawkish Republicans.

As far as a 'cover up' goes, you are right, and I'm not advocating that there was one.

626 akak  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 5:57:35am

re: #618 sattv4u2

But a strong RESPONSE to that would have been the perfect antidote! So again, he had MUCH more to gain by exposing any link beteeen McViegh and Iarq (or whomever) and being strong than covering it up!
AND to that piont (covering it up) how many people/ agencies would have to have been involved? You're telling me in all that time, all those people are to this day mum !?!?!?!


Too many rocks to turn over is all.

627 goddessoftheclassroom  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 5:57:35am

re: #614 Army Green since '92

I'm not familiar with the Prayer List...can you explain briefly. I may want to add something to it.

Thanks

I've divided the list into categories, which are Community Issues, Thanksgivings, Health Issues, and Family, Friend, and Life Situations. Lizards either mention something in the thread or email me (my nic is blue right now).

I will NEVER post a prayer need without the person's permission, and the person may remain anonymous as "a Lizard".

I'll post it in a second so that you can see it.

628 Rustler  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 5:58:12am

re: #622 akak
That doesn't mean he believes it. It only means he wanted to cover all the bases. Just like we investigated other possibilities into 9/11 just so we couldn't be said to be negligent tho we were still accused of negligence.

629 goddessoftheclassroom  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 5:58:40am

Lizard Prayer List 1/25/09
Prayers for thanks, praise, comfort, strength, healing, and hope

Seeking Updates
Many thanks to Ben Z and Cap'n Doc for starting this.

Community issues:
Our troops
Israel
Our country going forward
Georgia/Ossetia
Gilad Schalit, for his release.
The contractors still held hostage
Brian at Snapped Shot: for justice


Thanksgivings

knitwit: mother’s peaceful passing after long illness
HoosierHoops: son Jordan deployed to Japan instead of Afghanistan & grandchild on the way
BaseballMom57: husband recovering at home
Vxbush: health issues diagnosed
Wolfie: nephew (USAR-spec ops) got home from Iraq a couple of months ago safe and sound, and he and his wife are expecting their second child.
eschew_obfuscation: family’s health and happiness
Empire1: out of the hospital after suffering a stroke, practically fully recovered
Loppyd: future plans

Health issues:
UberInfidel67: brothers health after polyps removal
Aussiemagpie: children with health issues
Walter Cronanty: son with recurrence of leukemia & recovering from bone marrow transplant.
logboy: recovery from injuries received in combat in Iraq
Dublin(CA)Dude – extensive cancer
gettinby: sister diagnosed with Sjogren’s Syndrome
Yochanan: d-i-l (ronite bas golda) undergoing surgery.
Knitwit: niece Elizabeth has a nasty MRSA infection after orthopedic surgery
tfc3rid: gf's 89 year old grandmother (suffered a a large stroke and is in rehab) and her uncle who is suffering from throat cancer; and continued prayers for dad who has MS
Typicalwhitey: father’s undergoing tests for pancreatic cancer
MNsnowlizard: Had open heart surgery in February (35 years old) and could be facing another one
twincitiesgirl: husband fighting cancer
Cato the elder: health issues
mikeymom: sister suffered a stroke
Josephine: daughter diagnosed with rare, chronic illness
yma o hyd: dear friend Anne has a blood disorder
jamsler: sister, just diagnosed with thyroid cancer; father, getting biopsy of a possible malignancy in his throat.
CoCo: mother paralyzed (due to strokes) and is now having new health problems
gop_patriot: friend’s 8-year-old son starting chemo
Pingjockey: friend Bob with a carcinoma, recovering from surgery
jorline: scleritis (eye disease), rheumatoid arthritis; father who has colon cancer
realwest: metastasizing cancer; mom Type II diabetes
AKAK: Parkinson’s diagnosis confirmed
eaglewingz08: intestinal cancer; has bad case of Grave’s disease, thyroid disorder
Noamsayin: niece and dad battling cancer
Truck Monkey: Brady (11-year-old with brain cancer who is on the football team he coaches)
Shaky Louie: chronic pancriatitis, and an (as yet) undiagnosed liver problem.
loppyd: step-father back in the hospital
Macker: health issues and treatment
newsjunkie_ky: Step-Dad
Sarah: dad (cancer);
Zonie: cancer and renal failure
Pro-Bush Canuck: sister’s illness
kcladderman: father’s throat cancer; just finisher second round of radiation
Clutch: 82-year-old mom’s recovery from eye surgery
BBev: wife’s illness and great pain, having gone from bad to worse
Kenneth: beloved daughter "M" serious chronic illness.
Cartman: liver and other health problems
Irene NYC: mom’s cancer
/cont’d

630 goddessoftheclassroom  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 5:58:58am

Lizard Prayer List, cont’d:

Family, friend, and life situations:
yma o hyd: ease the grief of friend who lost her husband of 59 years
Taqiyyotomist: strength in difficult times
FBV: that the unknowns find fulfillment
Vxbush: daughter’s financial issues
Yochanan: son in IDF
Bcgirl: sponsored child, Alia in Egypt
Wyatt Earp: Uncle Joe; prostate cancer returned
West Texas: brother’s decision
Victor_yugo: job
laZardo: strength of purpose
BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey: mom coming home from the hospital put still dealing with issues
A Kiwi Infidel: Natasha and her husband mourning the loss of the younger child.
MandyManners: finding answers and solutions
neocon hippie: grieving for big black kitty, Ripple
Cast Iron Magnolia: nephew, David, who's a Marine serving in Iraq
HHC 2-2 SCR: for those we lost and their family and friends and for thanks for those that are finally back and one for the safety of those still waiting to return.
lightsout: to make a wise decision
BeerDrinking VictoryMonkey: strength to overcome a personal issue, and for wisdom in discerning another one
Flynmudd: son deployed to Middle East
x-wing: son diagnosed with Asperger’s (mild autism)
Mars Needs Neocons: job
jcm: previous foster daughters going back with families; new 5-week-old foster daughter.
Pvt Bin Jammin: best friend’s passing
Josephine: painful loss
Jammiewearingfool: sister’s passing
David Simon: mom (Alzheimer's)
Intrepid: Mom has Alzheimer's and Intrepid is caretaker
conservgirl: atheist SPM, that he finds the Lord
Lizards with family issues
Hayseed: extended family challenges
Noraono: colleagues laid off in building industry
antiislamist: in need of prayers
lone_wolf_in_illinois: friends and family in Israel
GotC: EH/kids
Danger close: general
zulubaby, Carl in Jerusalem, Mr Pol, Golden Jerusalem, basically all the minion in eretz Yisrael
noam sayin': comfort for a lost brother
Buckeye Abroad: in the belly of the beast of Eurabia
ChildOfMary: job for hubby and health for self
nonic: general
yank in EU: general
MdiM: general
Suzette: general

631 akak  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 5:59:50am

re: #624 sattv4u2

and found !?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!


inaccuracies, falsifications by the FBI in regards to statements

632 Rustler  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 6:02:59am

re: #631 akak
But nothing Substantial enough to continue investigations or add new charges.

633 Army Green since '92  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 6:03:39am

re: #627 goddessoftheclassroom

Thank You. And God Bless You for keeping the list.

I don't think I have a specific prayer to offer today, but I'll gladly keep the intentions in the list. My parish offered our Sunday Rosary to Soldiers and their families. We're a small post and we just lost three brave men last week in Afghanistan. Friends of ours are preparing to deploy next and they're going to a tough fight in Afghanistan.

634 wahabicorridor  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 6:03:53am

re: #631 akak

inaccuracies, falsifications by the FBI in regards to statements

Yep. McVeigh's lawyer think there were others involved also. He wrote a book about it called 'And Others Unkown'. It's very good - and he's a very grey-suit, sober midwestern guy, about as far from a moonbat as you can get. I've read Jayna Davis' book, also, but the manner/structure in which she tells the story is very confusing.

Oh. Good morning lizards!

635 quickjustice  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 6:05:01am

Since no one else seems to have mentioned it, I will: Falstaff!

636 Rustler  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 6:05:18am

Here is a fox news article implicating Iraq, but reads like a conspiracy theory.

637 akak  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 6:05:40am

re: #632 Rustler

But nothing Substantial enough to continue investigations or add new charges.

Well when the FBI fails to interview the guy witnesses swear in affidavit was there, yeah you could close your eyes and say day is night.

638 goddessoftheclassroom  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 6:06:30am

re: #633 Army Green since '92

Thank You. And God Bless You for keeping the list.

I don't think I have a specific prayer to offer today, but I'll gladly keep the intentions in the list. My parish offered our Sunday Rosary to Soldiers and their families. We're a small post and we just lost three brave men last week in Afghanistan. Friends of ours are preparing to deploy next and they're going to a tough fight in Afghanistan.

{Army Green since '92}

How about

Army Green since '92: post has lost three soldiers in Afghanistan; friends deplying there next week.

Let me know...

639 sattv4u2  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 6:07:46am

re: #631 akak

inaccuracies, falsifications by the FBI in regards to statements

and ?!?!?!?!?!?!?

Again, HOW many gov't agencies would have to have been involved in covering a link between Iraq (or any others) and McVeigh?
CIA ,,, FBI ,,,, Secret Service,,, State Dept ,,, Local and State Police ,,HOW many people in each of thsoe agencies would have known? Dozens ,,, Hundreds ,THOUSANDS !

640 Rustler  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 6:08:06am

re: #637 akak
It was not and is not in the best interests of the FBI or the country to cover up stuff like this.

641 Rustler  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 6:08:52am

Later all relief here and shift over be safe.

642 Army Green since '92  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 6:10:05am

re: #638 goddessoftheclassroom

Agreed, add it to the list for the next two weeks, then I'll let it be part of the community prayer for our troops.

Thanks again

ME

643 akak  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 6:16:53am

re: #640 Rustler

It was not and is not in the best interests of the FBI or the country to cover up stuff like this.

Then why accept the evidence and then give it back?

So they wouldn't have to enter it into trial & give it to the prosecutor.

644 sattv4u2  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 6:18:14am

re: #643 akak

please answer my 639. How many agencies/ people would have had to be involved in this coverup?

645 sattv4u2  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 6:19:10am

re: #643 akak

Then why accept the evidence and then give it back?

So they wouldn't have to enter it into trial & give it to the prosecutor.

AND ,,, why "accept" the "evidence" in the 1st place? Why not just squash it prior?

646 BBev  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 6:27:11am

Good morning all and How is everyone this fine Sunday mornin?

647 akak  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 6:27:32am

re: #644 sattv4u2

please answer my 639. How many agencies/ people would have had to be involved in this coverup?

Ask Woolsey former head of the CIA.
Ask Yossef Bodansky Congressional Task Force on Terrorism.
Ask Schippers , Clinton/Lewinsky -Former Chief Counsel House Judiciary Committee
Ask Israeli Intelligence

or just take the FBI/ATF version

648 ArmyWife  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 6:27:44am

Good morning, crew!

649 akak  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 6:29:35am

re: #645 sattv4u2

AND ,,, why "accept" the "evidence" in the 1st place? Why not just squash it prior?


Generally people accepting evidence like that I would suggest not be the decision maker in this case.

650 wahabicorridor  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 6:29:50am

re: #645 sattv4u2

Your questions are very reasonable - but Steven Jones' (McVeigh's first lawyer) book

And Others Unknown
is really disturbing. And Jones is not a nutcase.

651 shanec99  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 6:29:53am

Here is what makes me skeptical: If our Law enforcement and intel agencies knew that Iraq's government was involved in supporting international terror that included a serious act committed against American government agencies on American soil, why wasn't this cited as reason to attact the Iraqi government?
The more I think about this, the more skeptical I am. Forgive me if you disagree with me.

652 BBev  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 6:30:38am

Friend of mine sent me this link and man I hope it is was wrong Big Inflation Coming

653 Lincolntf  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 6:31:05am

Morning all.
The thing is that even people who are naturally "anti-conspiracy theory" (like me), have come to realize there really are conspiracies. It's a real crime and there are thousands in jail/prison for it (I imagine). And to doubt that the highest levels of law enforcement are vulnerable to conspiracies is to discount, among others, the FBI/WinterHill/Mafia fiasco. Convictions are still coming down in that one.
Kind of like Donaghy gave ammo to every "It's fixed!" freak in your sports-viewing circle, Whitey Bulger and Zip Connoly made me willing to believe pretty much anything is possible.

654 sattv4u2  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 6:34:02am

re: #647 akak

Those are a half dozen or so INDIVIDUALS. It would have passed thru the hands of THOUSANDS of people ALL who would have to be involved in the coverup. Again,CIA ,,FBI ,,, LOCAL POLICE ,, STATE POLICE ,, STATE DEPT ,,, SECRET SERVICE ,,HALF THE CABINET AND ALL THEIR STAFFS,,,

655 rightside  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 6:35:35am

re: #648 ArmyWife

morning.

656 sattv4u2  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 6:36:51am

re: #653 Lincolntf


the FBI/WinterHill/Mafia fiasco
That involved a COUPLE of FBI agenst and a COUPLE of local hoods! What we're talking about is that THOUSANDs of people in the govt (both local and fed) at many agencies as well as cabinet offices would have had to be involved in covering up a McViegh/ Mid East terror connection.

THOUSANDS

657 ArmyWife  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 6:39:51am

re: #654 sattv4u2

Sat -

I guess I need to scroll up and read this whole thing to see what the "cover up" is, but the fact that Timothy McVeigh was sympathetic to the Iraqis isn't a big secret. Is this what we are talking about? Or the thought that Terry Nichols spoke the some Iraqi operatives in the Philippines? Let me scroll up before I say something unimportant to the discussion - there have been "leaps" from what McVeigh discussed/said/wrote to this attorney and the truth.

658 sattv4u2  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 6:40:04am

re: #650 wahabicorridor

Your questions are very reasonable - but Steven Jones' (McVeigh's first lawyer) book

And Others Unknown
is really disturbing. And Jones is not a nutcase.

Agreed. Neither were Shapiro and Chochran but it was their job to shine the light AWAY from OJ Simpson and onto other "possible" perps

659 Lincolntf  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 6:40:35am

re: #656 sattv4u2

I agree. The conspiracy-theoristas always come up with the most vilifying solution to their "unanswered questions". The problem is exacerbated when documents or evidence is hidden, if that really occurred. People can project anything they want on to a document they can't see. And they have just as much "proof" as the person who hid it. That is to say, none.

660 Dustyvet  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 6:44:57am

Shame on The Netherlands

661 sattv4u2  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 6:45:03am

re: #657 ArmyWife

That thousands of people from many law enforcement agencies and many gov't agencies from both sides of the political aisle would have had to be involved in covering up that Iraqi agents were directly involved in the OKC bombings as cover for Pres. Clinton

662 akak  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 6:45:35am

re: #659 Lincolntf

Well if Woolsey is a conspiracy theorist we have bigger problems than this I guess.

663 BlueCanuck  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 6:45:51am

*mutter mutter mutter* Some times I hate my job, and today is looking like it's a banner hate day. :(

/just finished dealing with a fire alarm activated almost 3 hours ago.

664 wahabicorridor  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 6:46:39am

re: #658 sattv4u2

Agreed. Neither were Shapiro and Chochran but it was their job to shine the light AWAY from OJ Simpson and onto other "possible" perps

Don't misunderstand. Jones in no way tries to exculpate McVeigh. He just thinks not everyone was brought to justice. And he doesn't pretend to know the definitive answer, either - but he built a very good case that the investigation left much to be desired in terms of what was omitted/not followed-up on.

665 sattv4u2  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 6:46:53am

re: #662 akak

Well if Woolsey is a conspiracy theorist we have bigger problems than this I guess.

You keep bringing up A name. Please address my question that THOUSANDS of "names" would have had to be involved!

666 bbuddha  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 6:46:58am

Good Morning all on this fine crisp day. It's a whole 4 degrees, up from minus 11 when I got up. the coffee is working
I noticed they are redoing the inaugural......again. Just how much time are they going to waste on this?

667 goddessoftheclassroom  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 6:51:26am

re: #663 BlueCanuck

*mutter mutter mutter* Some times I hate my job, and today is looking like it's a banner hate day. :(

/just finished dealing with a fire alarm activated almost 3 hours ago.

{BlueCanuck}

I'm sorry. I hope this is the last banner hate day you have for a long time.

668 ArmyWife  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 6:53:06am

re: #661 sattv4u2

I don't believe there was a cover up. At all. I think this is the stuff of freepers (literally). I DO think that at the time, there wasn't a lot of focus on people sympathetic to Muslims and that piece would have gotten more press if this occurred right now - but McVeigh's motivation was not 72 virgins, he thought he was starting a revolution against our government, and justified his actions based on whatever he could come up with that he felt was "bad" that the Government did - Iraq, Waco, etc. Heck, he through other "imperialist" countries in for good measure.

669 ArmyWife  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 6:54:01am

through = threw - still on my 1st cup of coffee.

670 BlueCanuck  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 6:54:43am

re: #667 goddessoftheclassroom

So do, but I have a hunch there are going to be quite a few more in the works. Just found out tonight they have reduced my staff by two guards. More work for us, more areas not being patrolled in a sufficient interval. Going to be fun times I think. :/

671 akak  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 6:55:07am

re: #665 sattv4u2

I'm sure thousands did, but when the FBI has a certain aura of authority & there are death threats to those speaking up - people often walk away or don't want to get involved. Combine that with the popularity of blaming the white militants at the time.
How many white militants have gone around blowing stuff up with ammonium nitrate lately?

You want me to name thousands?

672 sattv4u2  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 6:55:12am

re: #668 ArmyWife

I don't believe there was a cover up. At all. I think this is the stuff of freepers (literally). I DO think that at the time, there wasn't a lot of focus on people sympathetic to Muslims and that piece would have gotten more press if this occurred right now - but McVeigh's motivation was not 72 virgins, he thought he was starting a revolution against our government, and justified his actions based on whatever he could come up with that he felt was "bad" that the Government did - Iraq, Waco, etc. Heck, he through other "imperialist" countries in for good measure.

Thanks.
But I have to leave now, so perhaps you can take up the banner if AKAK comes back and insists it's a coverup!

673 goddessoftheclassroom  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 6:55:30am

re: #670 BlueCanuck

So do, but I have a hunch there are going to be quite a few more in the works. Just found out tonight they have reduced my staff by two guards. More work for us, more areas not being patrolled in a sufficient interval. Going to be fun times I think. :/

Ah, the "blood from a stone" management approach: do more in less time with fewer people.

674 BlueCanuck  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 6:57:37am

re: #673 goddessoftheclassroom

Ah, the "blood from a stone" management approach: do more in less time with fewer people.

Bingo. Of course they are blaming it all on the economy this time. But I know that's not the real case. . . . .

/refuse to type what I really think of *deleted* *blankity blanks*

675 sattv4u2  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 6:59:47am

re: #671 akak

You want me to name thousands?

So you're saying that it is your opinion that thousands of local, state and federal police, CIA, FBI, Secret Service agents, State and Treasury dept secrataries, under secs, their staffs ALL know that Iraqi agents were ACTIVELY and DIRECTLY involved in the OKC bombings and EVERY one of those Americans from ALL sides of the political aisle are also involved in covering it up!

676 akak  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 7:00:48am

re: #672 sattv4u2

Ask Steve Emerson then about Abdullah Azzam & Osama's right hand man the Dr in OKC, don't take my word.

677 ArmyWife  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 7:02:17am

re: #672 sattv4u2

I need to go too, have to go to the commissary as the pantry is bare! I'll check in later!

678 Kronocide  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 7:02:18am

We're asking you.

679 sattv4u2  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 7:03:05am

re: #676 akak

Ask Steve Emerson then about Abdullah Azzam & Osama's right hand man the Dr in OKC, don't take my word.

And once again, no mention of the thousands of people that would have to be keeping this secret for all these years!

680 CIA Reject  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 7:03:22am
"Why dost thou converse with that trunk of humours, that bolting-hutch of beastliness, that swoln parcel of dropsies, that huge bombard of sack, that stuffed cloak-bag of guts, that roasted Manningtree ox with the pudding in his belly, that reverend vice, that grey iniquity, that father ruffian, that vanity in years?"

Because 52% of my fellow citizens, who happen to be idiots, elected him President of the United States- that's why...

Good Morning Everybody!

681 esch  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 7:04:28am

re: #680 CIA Reject

Because 52% of my fellow citizens, who happen to be idiots, elected him President of the United States- that's why..

Well someone has to be the bottom 50% ya know!

/

682 Kronocide  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 7:04:42am

Happy Hopenchange Day!

683 BlueCanuck  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 7:06:02am

re: #682 BigPapa

Happy Hopenchange Day!

Yep. I am hopin things will change. :)

684 Dustyvet  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 7:06:08am

re: #682 BigPapa

Happy Hopenchange Day!

I have abandoned all Hope, and my Change is in my other pants pocket...

685 CIA Reject  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 7:06:50am

re: #681 esch

Well someone has to be the bottom 50% ya know!

/

Yeah, welcome to the bottom! :-)

686 Lincolntf  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 7:06:51am

re: #682 BigPapa

I didn't get you anything.
Which, as it turns out, is the appropriate gift.

687 sattv4u2  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 7:07:36am

re: #686 Lincolntf

I didn't get you anything.
Which, as it turns out, is the appropriate gift.

No need. The One will provide everything we mortals need!

688 Dustyvet  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 7:09:00am

re: #687 sattv4u2

No need. The One will provide everything we mortals need!

My neighbors out in his driveway, trying jump start his unicorn...

689 esch  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 7:09:05am

re: #685 CIA Reject

Yeah, welcome to the bottom! :-)

Lol

What infuriates me the most is that other 2.000001% that are otherwise supposedly reasonable, but still chose some completely undefined 'Hope' over sanity. Fools.

690 sattv4u2  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 7:09:29am

re: #688 Dustyvet

My neighbors out in his driveway, trying jump start his unicorn...

blowing into the horn, is he ?

691 akak  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 7:09:50am

re: #675 sattv4u2

Did the Okc Police try to get fingerprints from the yellow pickup truck? yes

Did the FBI then seize the truck?

692 CIA Reject  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 7:10:03am

re: #683 BlueCanuck

re: #684 Dustyvet

Is it just me, or did anybody else look at those CHANGE banners during the campaign and subconsciously see things like "your underwear" underneath?

693 Dustyvet  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 7:10:43am

re: #690 sattv4u2

blowing into the horn, is he ?

No red cable on the horn, and I don't even want to know where he's got the black cable attached...:)

694 Kronocide  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 7:10:45am

Honcos for HopenChange

695 CIA Reject  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 7:11:28am

re: #688 Dustyvet

My neighbors out in his driveway, trying jump start his unicorn...

Geez! couldn't they get a room somewhere? :-)

696 NYCHardhat  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 7:11:51am

re: #692 CIA Reject

re: #684 Dustyvet

Is it just me, or did anybody else look at those CHANGE banners during the campaign and subconsciously see things like "your underwear" underneath?

What about the

OBAMA
BIDEN

word puzzle

697 esch  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 7:12:04am

re: #695 CIA Reject

Geez! couldn't they get a room somewhere? :-)

Good, glad I'm not the only one.

/brainbleach!

698 sattv4u2  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 7:12:22am

re: #691 akak

Did the Okc Police try to get fingerprints from the yellow pickup truck? yes

Did the FBI then seize the truck?

So the OKC police HAVE the prints, but were "told" to (destroy, ignore, falsify) them by the FBI
So now we have 2 layers of coverup. And yet NOBODY in all these years has talked? Did it stop at the FBI, or did it go higher? If so, then how many MORE layers up? And if so, how many MORE people are privvy to it ?

699 CIA Reject  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 7:12:56am

re: #689 esch

Lol

What infuriates me the most is that other 2.000001% that are otherwise supposedly reasonable, but still chose some completely undefined 'Hope' over sanity. Fools.

As Murphy once said:
"Nothing can be made foolproof because fools are so ingenious"

700 sattv4u2  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 7:13:25am

re: #699 CIA Reject

As Murphy once said:
"Nothing can be made foolproof because fools are so ingenious"

I am NOT!

701 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 7:13:37am

Hi all!

What I miss?

Watching FNS... Please John, just retire... we thank you for your military service (political service not so much)... but just retire and go away.

702 Dustyvet  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 7:13:43am

re: #699 CIA Reject

As Murphy once said:
"Nothing can be made foolproof because fools are so ingenious"

Murphey was an optimist...

703 akak  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 7:13:51am

re: #698 sattv4u2

Did the attack have parallels with Argentina bombing?

704 CIA Reject  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 7:14:22am

re: #697 esch

Good, glad I'm not the only one.

/brainbleach!

Just a sec- I'm almost done with it...

705 Kronocide  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 7:14:26am

re: #698 sattv4u2If so, then how many MORE layers up? And if so, how many MORE people are privvy to it ?

The Answer is The Question.

706 sattv4u2  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 7:15:01am

re: #703 akak

Did the attack have parallels with Argentina bombing?

yes ,, as well as THOUSANDs of other bombings around the world for eons!

((imitation/// flattery and all that ! ))

707 Dustyvet  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 7:15:32am

Optimist vs. Pessimist

A family had twin boys whose only resemblance to each other was their looks. If one felt it was too hot, the other thought it was too cold. If one said the TV was too loud, the other claimed the volume needed to be turned up. Opposite in every way, one was an eternal optimist, the other a doom and gloom pessimist. Just to see what would happen, on the twins' birthday their father loaded the pessimist's room with every imaginable toy and game. The optimist's room he loaded with horse manure. That night the father passed by the pessimist's room and found him sitting amid his new gifts crying bitterly. "Why are you crying?" the father asked. "Because my friends will be jealous, I'll have to read all these instructions before I can do anything with this stuff, I'll constantly need batteries, and my toys will eventually get broken." answered the pessimist twin. Passing the optimist twin's room, the father found him dancing for joy in the pile of manure. "What are you so happy about?" he asked. To which his optimist twin replied, "There's got to be a pony in here somewhere!"

708 sattv4u2  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 7:16:19am

And on that note, I'll BBIA!

(sorry, but been at work for 14 hours ,,, gotta get home so I can come back here !))

709 loppyd  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 7:16:50am

re: #701 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

Hi all!

What I miss?

Watching FNS... Please John, just retire... we thank you for your military service (political service not so much)... but just retire and go away.

John as in McCain?

Couldn't agree more.

710 Kronocide  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 7:17:40am
711 CIA Reject  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 7:17:45am

re: #700 sattv4u2

I am NOT!

LOL!

re: #702 Dustyvet

Murphey was an optimist...

Sad, but true...

712 akak  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 7:18:56am

re: #706 sattv4u2

Two Israeli bomb experts Yakov Yerushalmi & Doron Bergerbest-Eilon from Israeli embassy concur blast was Middle eastern signature.
Nichols & McVeigh were not capable.

713 3 wood  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 7:19:31am

Good morning.

I think the banks will be fully nationalized shortly.
BARACK'S BANK BET
OBAMA'S ECONOMIC TEAM EYEING ITS OPTIONS

The heat is on the Obama Administration.

Congressional leaders are pressing the White House to come up with a plan as soon as this week to save the banks and jumpstart the economy.

As the Obama economic team huddles this weekend in an attempt to hammer out the framework of their plan, three options have been bandied about:

* Nationalizing the banks.

* Creating a government-owned "bad bank" to take the toxic assets off of the bank's balance sheet.

* Continuing the Bush Administration rescue plan of pumping in taxpayer money on an as-needed basis.

714 CIA Reject  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 7:19:50am

re: #707 Dustyvet

That story was one of President Reagan's favorites, and it gave birth to a popular saying with the Reagan White House staff- when asked how they were doing on a tough project staffers would typically respond: "I'm looking for the pony!".

715 Kronocide  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 7:20:02am

Pessimist: glass is half empty.
Optimist: glass is half full.
Engineer: glass is at 50% rated capacity.
Porn Star: are you going to pour that on my boobs?

716 BlueCanuck  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 7:20:08am

re: #688 Dustyvet

My neighbors out in his driveway, trying jump start his unicorn...

Well I hope he isn't playing leap frog. :p

717 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 7:20:15am

re: #709 loppyd

John as in McCain?

Couldn't agree more.

That's the guy...

718 Dustyvet  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 7:21:30am

re: #717 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

That's the guy...

Morning LT...:)

719 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 7:22:03am

re: #718 Dustyvet

Morning LT...:)

Morning RedLeg...

720 Dustyvet  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 7:23:17am

re: #719 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

Morning RedLeg...

I'll be trying to figure that one out for the rest of the day...:)

721 wahabicorridor  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 7:23:35am

re: #713 3 wood

Looks the same way in the UK, too.

Hey, can you explain something to me, please? When someone says they prefer 'fiscal policy' to 'monetary policy' (or vice versa), what the hell are they talking about?

722 realwest  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 7:24:17am

Good morning y'all - just came back from neighbor's apartment - he just died.
Mom and I stayed to help comfort his widow, the EMT asked ME what they should do and I said whatever you can and they showed me a do not resuscitate order he had signed and - without asking the now widow - I said this says his doctor is the one to make the decision so unfortunately I prolonged her agony as they tried to save him - until she said no more, please.
By then her daughter and son in law arrived and confirmed that they wanted the EMT's to stop trying to save him (I watched them give him atropine and proper resuscitation and all first).
Shit.

723 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 7:25:24am

re: #720 Dustyvet

I'll be trying to figure that one out for the rest of the day...:)

You are kidding, right?

Didn't teach you artillerymen any history, is that it?

724 lawhawk  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 7:25:25am

re: #722 realwest

What an awful way to start the day my friend.

725 songbird  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 7:25:29am

G'Morning, Lizards!

Beautiful weather in sunny Las Cruces and Jeremy Riddle caressing my ears and heart through the speakers. Good start for a Sunday!

726 Dustyvet  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 7:26:29am

re: #723 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

You are kidding, right?

Didn't teach you artillerymen any history, is that it?

Dusty's stuck in first gear this morning...

727 3 wood  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 7:26:33am

re: #713 3 wood

Good morning.

I think the banks will be fully nationalized shortly.
BARACK'S BANK BET
OBAMA'S ECONOMIC TEAM EYEING ITS OPTIONS

The heat is on the Obama Administration.

Congressional leaders are pressing the White House to come up with a plan as soon as this week to save the banks and jumpstart the economy.

As the Obama economic team huddles this weekend in an attempt to hammer out the framework of their plan, three options have been bandied about:

* Nationalizing the banks.

* Creating a government-owned "bad bank" to take the toxic assets off of the bank's balance sheet.

* Continuing the Bush Administration rescue plan of pumping in taxpayer money on an as-needed basis.

Sorry for accidentally hitting enter before I put my comments in:

The pumping of cash into the banks has had marginal effect, the current estimates are that it would take another 2 to 3 trillion in cash to correct their problems.

The "bad bank" option would work better I think, except for the fact that we would be expecting government officials to be able to correctly understand how these things work.

So I figure they will go for the nationalizing approach. it would accomplish everything a lefty loves:

1. destroy the equity of the current stock shareholders, thus punishing them for owning stock,
2. give government total control of the banking system,

Joe Stalin is smiling somewhere.

It also is being seen on the left as the best way to end the bleeding, and the last thing Obama wants is to get caught up on an ongoing issue like this banking deterioration.

728 Lincolntf  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 7:26:50am

re: #722 realwest

Unbelievable. Take the rest of the day off from whatever you were gonna do.

729 songbird  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 7:26:51am

re: #722 realwest

Oh man! I'm so sorry!

:-( and here I go blaring along about a good start for a Sunday.

730 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 7:27:05am

re: #722 realwest

Good morning y'all - just came back from neighbor's apartment - he just died.
Mom and I stayed to help comfort his widow, the EMT asked ME what they should do and I said whatever you can and they showed me a do not resuscitate order he had signed and - without asking the now widow - I said this says his doctor is the one to make the decision so unfortunately I prolonged her agony as they tried to save him - until she said no more, please.
By then her daughter and son in law arrived and confirmed that they wanted the EMT's to stop trying to save him (I watched them give him atropine and proper resuscitation and all first).
Shit.

Wow, Real... no way to start your day (or hers). The now deceased is in a better place. Thinking of you and them, sir.

731 loppyd  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 7:27:31am

re: #717 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

That's the guy...

I have McCain fatigue syndrome. And I voted for him.

732 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 7:27:32am

re: #726 Dustyvet

Dusty's stuck in first gear this morning...

Happens on cold mornings...

733 esch  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 7:28:30am

re: #722 realwest

Good morning y'all - just came back from neighbor's apartment - he just died.
Mom and I stayed to help comfort his widow, the EMT asked ME what they should do and I said whatever you can and they showed me a do not resuscitate order he had signed and - without asking the now widow - I said this says his doctor is the one to make the decision so unfortunately I prolonged her agony as they tried to save him - until she said no more, please.
By then her daughter and son in law arrived and confirmed that they wanted the EMT's to stop trying to save him (I watched them give him atropine and proper resuscitation and all first).
Shit.

Better than the opposite, RW.

There's no easy way to deal with death. No matter WHAT you did, it was going to be one of the worst days of her life. No need to kick yourself.

734 loppyd  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 7:28:51am

re: #722 realwest

{realwest}

Sounds very traumatic for everyone. Sorry to hear it.

735 realwest  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 7:28:59am

re: #727 3 wood
Hey there 3 wood please check your e-mail my friend.

736 irongrampa  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 7:29:01am

Good morning from the Adirondacks. -2 degrees, no wind this AM. Not bad outside, it's quite sunny.

Went over to the storage building yesterday, and lit up the Toy to exercise it. I keep it at 60 degrees, with a dehumidifier to control moisture. Awfully tempting to just take that thing out on the road and REALLY exercise it, but we gotta wait, dammit. Wifey just rolls her eyes, and shakes her head.

737 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 7:29:19am

re: #731 loppyd

I have McCain fatigue syndrome. And I voted for him.

As did I... only because the alternative was (and is) far worse. Here's hoping the Donks overextend and overeach, pay for it in 2010 and we get a real candidate in 2012.

738 wahabicorridor  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 7:29:24am

re: #722 realwest

Jesus, real. I was just about to post that you were late this morning. How old was he? How is your mom taking it?

739 Dustyvet  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 7:29:43am

re: #722 realwest

Good morning y'all - just came back from neighbor's apartment - he just died.
Mom and I stayed to help comfort his widow, the EMT asked ME what they should do and I said whatever you can and they showed me a do not resuscitate order he had signed and - without asking the now widow - I said this says his doctor is the one to make the decision so unfortunately I prolonged her agony as they tried to save him - until she said no more, please.
By then her daughter and son in law arrived and confirmed that they wanted the EMT's to stop trying to save him (I watched them give him atropine and proper resuscitation and all first).
Shit.

Very sorry Real, I hope you and your Mom are doing okay.

740 3 wood  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 7:29:43am

re: #721 wahabicorridor

Looks the same way in the UK, too.

Hey, can you explain something to me, please? When someone says they prefer 'fiscal policy' to 'monetary policy' (or vice versa), what the hell are they talking about?

Fiscal policy is tax and spending action taken by Congress and is basically political in nature. There are long time lags involved in this.

Monetary policy involves changes to the money supply and Federal Reserve discount rate to try to expand or contract the money supply and impact interest rates. It tends to impact the economy faster than fiscal policy moves.

Conservatives tend to lean towards monetary policy solutions, liberals towards fiscal policy.

741 loppyd  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 7:29:48am

re: #737 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

As did I... only because the alternative was (and is) far worse. Here's hoping the Donks overextend and overeach, pay for it in 2010 and we get a real candidate in 2012.

Now that made me all warm and fuzzy inside. :~)

742 Pietr  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 7:30:22am

re: #722 realwest

Condolences-Doesn't sound like your day started pleasantly, RW.
Good morning, 42 and brezzy in San Antone-probably achill factor of 37 or lower....Brrrr.

743 rw in san diego  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 7:30:59am

re: #713 3 wood

3 wood

Did you see the link in #652? If you read the article, do you have any thoughts on it? It predicts significant inflation. I don't have an economic background and don't know if his graphs and interpretations make sense. Thanks.

744 3 wood  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 7:31:01am

re: #722 realwest

Sorry all that happened my friend, I don't know what else to say.

745 songbird  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 7:31:51am

re: #737 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

As did I... only because the alternative was (and is) far worse. Here's hoping the Donks overextend and overeach, pay for it in 2010 and we get a real candidate in 2012.

Big "O" is setting the pace by alienating people now.

746 CIA Reject  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 7:32:27am

RealWest: You did what you had to do in a tough situation- please try not to second guess yourself. My thoughts and prayers are with you and your mom.

Well, I have to go get some chores done- but I'll leave you all with what I believe was Voltaire's definitions of optimist and pessimist:

"The optimist believes that this is the best of all possible worlds, and the pessimist is afraid that the optimist is right."

BBL

747 lawhawk  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 7:32:46am

re: #727 3 wood

Sorry for accidentally hitting enter before I put my comments in:

The pumping of cash into the banks has had marginal effect, the current estimates are that it would take another 2 to 3 trillion in cash to correct their problems.

The "bad bank" option would work better I think, except for the fact that we would be expecting government officials to be able to correctly understand how these things work.

So I figure they will go for the nationalizing approach. it would accomplish everything a lefty loves:

1. destroy the equity of the current stock shareholders, thus punishing them for owning stock,
2. give government total control of the banking system,

Joe Stalin is smiling somewhere.

It also is being seen on the left as the best way to end the bleeding, and the last thing Obama wants is to get caught up on an ongoing issue like this banking deterioration.

There's a fourth option that hasn't been discussed - do nothing and let the market determines what banks succeed and fail, limiting the government destruction of the economy.

A fifth option, providing the borrowers with money directly, rather than the lenders, isn't on the table either. Considering that it was bad loans that snowballed, helping bad borrowers out of their mess by stabilizing locally hard hit real estate markets (not all real estate markets are equal - Vegas, Miami, and Los Angeles were especially hard hit (30% down or more), while other areas substantially less so), might make more sense. Giving borrowers a direct injection of capital would shore up the banks as well, since they could get a better handle on the bad debts and let the borrowers slowly unwind their own bad moves - say condition the money on those borrowers moving out within 5 years and/or some method of repayment or reimbursement/tax adjustment.

Since the banks have held on to the money that was supposed to improve the credit situation, giving the borrowers money might make more sense and stabilize the markets in a way that the banks didn't.

748 realwest  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 7:33:37am

Thanks all y'all but I can't help but recognize that I kept them trying to save his life when his widow and daughter didn't want them to.
He was 89, had prostate cancer and a host of other problems and all, but I hadda butt in - well, one of the EMT workers showed me the do not resuscitate order unless doc says too - and his now widow couldn't reach the doctor and I said they should keep trying.
FUCK. She was in shock, I called his doctor and left a message but until daughter showed up didn't know that they didn't want him kept alive, so I sorta prolonged her agony/hope unnecessarily.
JUST FUCK!

749 Pietr  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 7:33:47am

Here's an article from a small town paper in Pennsylvania, Re the bailout-the tag that took me there referred to 'Obamanation"...:

Obamanation

750 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 7:34:15am

re: #745 songbird

Big "O" is setting the pace by alienating people now.

Just wait until he, under enormous pressure, snaps at some presser. He's so far out of his league, it's bound to happen.

And try as they might, the MSM won't be able to hide the fact that he went storming off the stage when things got tough or blurted out some choice words... "Can't I just finish my waffle?" only on steroids.

/that's our Barry.

751 realwest  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 7:34:46am

re: #744 3 wood
There isn't anything else to say my friend - but PLEASE check your e-mail!

752 irongrampa  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 7:35:11am

RealWest, I'm sorry that this day began like that. Be nice to extend something beside a figurative arm around the shoulder, so this'll have to do.

You're a good man, sir.

753 wahabicorridor  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 7:35:31am

re: #740 3 wood

Thanks!

754 3 wood  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 7:35:37am

re: #743 rw in san diego

3 wood

Did you see the link in #652? If you read the article, do you have any thoughts on it? It predicts significant inflation. I don't have an economic background and don't know if his graphs and interpretations make sense. Thanks.

I've been saying the same thing for a while now. Once this thing turns, look out for hyper inflation.

There has been so much money poured into the financial system that inflation will have to explode once the demand for goods and services starts going up.

From the White House standpoint that will be a good thing, cause then they can inflate all the debt they will be racking up.

"Inflate" means pay back the money with cheaper dollars.

755 Lincolntf  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 7:36:27am

re: #750 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

I get the feeling he's gonna be a big finger-pointer and a "come out from behind the podium guy". All the debate club silliness that he thinks makes him look like a tough guy.

756 yesandno  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 7:36:51am

re: #701 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

Hi all!

What I miss?

Watching FNS... Please John, just retire... we thank you for your military service (political service not so much)... but just retire and go away.

Am afraid that before that retirement, he is going to wreck havoc. Likes the spotlight and as the "uniter not divider" he will be on wrong side for conservatives in all the major votes that come. Brave man whose time has past.

757 bbuddha  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 7:37:04am

re: #722 realwest

I'm sorry, None of us like to deal with the end of life. Sounds like the widow does have a support system. that is important.

758 3 wood  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 7:37:28am

re: #747 lawhawk

Since the banks have held on to the money that was supposed to improve the credit situation, giving the borrowers money might make more sense and stabilize the markets in a way that the banks didn't.

You know they are not going to do that. They will hand out money in a hidden welfare program, but only so they can keep control over the people who take the dough.

759 Ojoe  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 7:38:23am

Over at Newsmax at the moment is the ridiculous face of Barney Frank saying that the Gov't will probably have to throw more of our money away down the bank rat hole.


Deleted, deleted, deleted.

The government seems now a thief, stealing from the honest and giving to criminals.

I feel little loyalty to it, and I think of the phrase "alter or abolish" in the Declaration of Independence.

And the Towercam only shows fog right now.

Good morning Lizards.

760 CIA Reject  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 7:38:25am

re: #748 realwest

Thanks all y'all but I can't help but recognize that I kept them trying to save his life when his widow and daughter didn't want them to.
He was 89, had prostate cancer and a host of other problems and all, but I hadda butt in - well, one of the EMT workers showed me the do not resuscitate order unless doc says too - and his now widow couldn't reach the doctor and I said they should keep trying.
FUCK. She was in shock, I called his doctor and left a message but until daughter showed up didn't know that they didn't want him kept alive, so I sorta prolonged her agony/hope unnecessarily.
JUST FUCK!

RealWest: You're not a doctor, you're just a man who made a decision to keep fighting to save another man's life. I was a fireman for 20 years and from that experience I can tell you that, in an emergency, the decision to fight to save a life is NEVER the wrong thing to do.

761 esch  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 7:38:38am

re: #755 Lincolntf

I get the feeling he's gonna be a big finger-pointer and a "come out from behind the podium guy". All the debate club silliness that he thinks makes him look like a tough guy.

This is why the #1 weapon in our arsenal is laughter and derision. Respect the office but deride the decisions and policies. It's the American way. And he simply will not be able to stomach it for long. He doesn't have the character.

'Evil can not abide to be mocked'

762 rw in san diego  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 7:39:12am

re: #722 realwest

What a terrible morning for you!

763 Army Green since '92  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 7:39:16am

RealWest,

Echoing other sentiments, don't beat yourself up too much. You did what you thought right under tough circumstances. Fighting for life even in tough situations is reasonable, moral, and compassionate. The widow and family will know, someday, that you cared enough to try.

Chin up.

764 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 7:40:21am

re: #755 Lincolntf

I get the feeling he's gonna be a big finger-pointer and a "come out from behind the podium guy". All the debate club silliness that he thinks makes him look like a tough guy.

Don't forget the "How dare you question ME?" sense of narcissim.

He's used to fawning. He's going to be shocked by the fact that there are tons of people who think he sucks (some of us because we think he isn't right for the job, many others because he now represents us, so the hatred comes with the job).

The man-child will not be able to take the pressure... wait till things cease working out for him all the time.

765 realwest  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 7:41:26am

re: #760 CIA Reject
Thank you for that. I appreciate it very much.

766 wahabicorridor  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 7:41:28am

AAARRRRGGGHHH!

Someone please just shoot me.

Sally Quinn, aka, Skank Hag, is on Reliable Sources talking about how fashionable Michelle Obama is.

/puke

767 RubyTuesday  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 7:41:36am

Cherry-picked from Gateway Pundit:
Here is Rule 13 of Alinksy's Rules for Radicals:
"Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it."
Rule 13 also worked well for democrats in dealing with Sarah Palin this past year.

Good thing to be lookin' for, IMHO.

768 yesandno  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 7:41:51am

re: #747 lawhawk

There's a fourth option that hasn't been discussed - do nothing and let the market determines what banks succeed and fail, limiting the government destruction of the economy.

A fifth option, providing the borrowers with money directly, rather than the lenders, isn't on the table either. Considering that it was bad loans that snowballed, helping bad borrowers out of their mess by stabilizing locally hard hit real estate markets (not all real estate markets are equal - Vegas, Miami, and Los Angeles were especially hard hit (30% down or more), while other areas substantially less so), might make more sense. Giving borrowers a direct injection of capital would shore up the banks as well, since they could get a better handle on the bad debts and let the borrowers slowly unwind their own bad moves - say condition the money on those borrowers moving out within 5 years and/or some method of repayment or reimbursement/tax adjustment.

Since the banks have held on to the money that was supposed to improve the credit situation, giving the borrowers money might make more sense and stabilize the markets in a way that the banks didn't.

For a stimulus to work, it has to effect now, not the future. This monstrosity won't effect much this year and by that time, the economy could already be fixing itself. Then the massive debt number kicks in and back in the toilet big time. Need to cut taxes now on businesses and let the market take care of itself.

The government can't cure this, the market can.

769 3 wood  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 7:41:53am

re: #751 realwest

There isn't anything else to say my friend - but PLEASE check your e-mail!

Done.

You have nothing to worry about on that issue.

770 opnion  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 7:42:19am

Good Morning Lizards. Day six, America held hostage.

771 CIA Reject  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 7:42:34am

BBLre: #765 realwest

Thank you for that. I appreciate it very much.

My pleasure, it's the truth.

Peace

BBL

772 Ojoe  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 7:43:12am

re: #764 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

many others because he now represents us,

Actually it is more than that; now the citizens are his boss. We're soverign here, Obama is working for me, I can address him as an underling whereas before he was a citizen and my equal.

773 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 7:43:39am

re: #770 opnion

Good Morning Lizards. Day six, America held hostage.

Morning!

Gee, Barry will have a week on the job Monday.

I'm impressed. NOT

/Borat voice, OFF.

774 realwest  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 7:43:53am

re: #762 rw in san diego
Much worse for my neighbor and his widow. Well, at least he's no longer in such terrible pain and at least her daughter and son in law made the final decision.

775 3 wood  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 7:44:00am

re: #748 realwest

Thanks all y'all but I can't help but recognize that I kept them trying to save his life when his widow and daughter didn't want them to.
He was 89, had prostate cancer and a host of other problems and all, but I hadda butt in - well, one of the EMT workers showed me the do not resuscitate order unless doc says too - and his now widow couldn't reach the doctor and I said they should keep trying.
FUCK. She was in shock, I called his doctor and left a message but until daughter showed up didn't know that they didn't want him kept alive, so I sorta prolonged her agony/hope unnecessarily.
JUST FUCK!

My friend, you did the best you could with the information you had, in very tough circumstances.

Don't beat up on yourself.

You have wisely given me that good advice many times, and now I'll do the same for you.

It's over now.

776 jcbunga  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 7:44:40am

"I'm President"
"I won"

Oh boy.

Every day there is a delicious opportunity to tweak this arrogant, Dumbo-eared, over-schooled and under-skilled train wreck.

Barrack? That sounds like royalty. Are you ROYALTY?

mu wa hah hah

777 Roger  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 7:44:49am

President Bush? Thank you for commuting Ramos' and Compean's sentences.

778 rw in san diego  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 7:44:50am

re: #754 3 wood

Thank you for responding to my question.

779 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 7:45:03am

re: #772 Ojoe

Actually it is more than that; now the citizens are his boss. We're soverign here, Obama is working for me, I can address him as an underling whereas before he was a citizen and my equal.

Do you think he understands that? Or are we the little people that need to be lucky that we can listen to His majestic pronouncements?

780 Erik The Red  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 7:45:17am

re: #770 opnion

Good Morning Lizards. Day six, America held hostage.

Morning Lizards. Been away for the last 5 hours. What are you all talking about?

Well done opnion on your daily update only 3 years and 360 days left. Bet you are going to regret this task/

781 Ojoe  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 7:45:58am

re: #779 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

If he doesn't understand that he will have an opportunity because I'm going to tell him.

782 goddessoftheclassroom  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 7:46:40am

re: #774 realwest

Much worse for my neighbor and his widow. Well, at least he's no longer in such terrible pain and at least her daughter and son in law made the final decision.

You did the right thing based on what you knew at the time. God took care of the details.

{realwest}

783 opnion  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 7:46:47am

re: #773 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

Morning!

Gee, Barry will have a week on the job Monday.

I'm impressed. NOT

/Borat voice, OFF.

Moning Lt. One week! A failed Presidency! What has he accomplished in a WHOLE week? Kind of how Bush was treated.

784 opnion  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 7:48:26am

re: #780 Erik The Red

Morning Lizards. Been away for the last 5 hours. What are you all talking about?

Well done opnion on your daily update only 3 years and 360 days left. Bet you are going to regret this task/

Not until I get past my remaining four fingers & ten toes. Then things will get dicey.

785 realwest  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 7:48:50am

re: #782 goddessoftheclassroomThanks {goddess} I guess in time I'll realize that, but I'm just in shock right now and now need to go take care of Mom.
I may be back later.
Thanks to all for the good thoughts and wishes.
BTW - DID YOU get my e-mail from earlier this week about our LGF'er who's mother died last Friday?

786 jcbunga  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 7:49:44am

A couple more missile strikes into Pah-kee-stahn and maybe Sean Penn will travel there to be one with the victims of this President's eNdLeSs WaR.

I'll pay for the airfare.

P.S.: Drives me nuts how The One says "Pah-kee-stahn". This is Amurrica, dammit. Talk right.

787 3 wood  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 7:49:53am

re: #778 rw in san diego

Thank you for responding to my question.

Happy to do what I can to help people follow what is going on.

The other day I posted an article on the money supply as measured by M1 and M2. The target for growth is 5% a year. They are going up 8% and 13 % respectively now.

788 Lincolntf  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 7:49:57am

Well, my (thus far) 300-page book, Week One: A Complete History is coming along nicely. I'm already considering a sequel.

789 goddessoftheclassroom  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 7:50:17am

re: #785 realwest

Thanks {goddess} I guess in time I'll realize that, but I'm just in shock right now and now need to go take care of Mom.
I may be back later.
Thanks to all for the good thoughts and wishes.
BTW - DID YOU get my e-mail from earlier this week about our LGF'er who's mother died last Friday?

Yes--it's in the Thanksgivings categroy, per her request.

790 loppyd  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 7:50:36am

Barney Frank’s hypocrisy

Ah, the dirty little secret is out. That $700 billion TARP (Troubled Asset Relief Program) bill was in part simply a variation on congressional pork - except this time the recipients were banks with friends in high places.

One of those powerful friends was Rep. Barney Frank (D-Newton), chairman of the House Financial Services Committee. And one of the recipients of a $12 million infusion of federal cash was the troubled OneUnited Bank in Boston - a bank that had already been accused of “unsafe and unsound banking practices.” Its CEO, Kevin Cohee had also been criticized by regulators for “excessive” pay that included a Porsche.

791 Ojoe  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 7:51:47am

re: #790 loppyd

Damn them all

792 esch  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 7:52:22am

re: #786 jcbunga

P.S.: Drives me nuts how The One says "Pah-kee-stahn". This is Amurrica, dammit. Talk right.

It's a standard tactic of the pretentious modestly gifted. I've caught myself doing it, sad to say.

I think he just doesn't want to be tarred with the 'nukular' brush.

793 RubyTuesday  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 7:53:08am

re: #3 Dustyvet
If you care to search for it, (I won't provide, lest I fall from CJ's good graces) there's an actual old song called, "The Ballad of Ben Gay").
The only line I can remember is , "...me and Bruce at the Chartreuse Moose..."
Was hilarious in the 70s (?). Totally un-PC today. Still funny.

794 rw in san diego  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 7:53:13am

re: #774 realwest

Traumatic for you as well. You're a very giving person and I'm sure that family was fortunate to have you there. As a retired RN, I agree with CIA Reject....if there's a doubt, you try to sustain a life. I think you did the right thing.

795 bbuddha  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 7:53:13am

re: #777 Roger

President Bush? Thank you for commuting Ramos' and Compean's sentences.

up to the bitter end I was hoping for a pardon. (sigh) well it was the best we could get considering he has never been big on protecting our southern border

796 yesandno  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 7:53:15am

re: #776 jcbunga

"I'm President"
"I won"

Oh boy.

Every day there is a delicious opportunity to tweak this arrogant, Dumbo-eared, over-schooled and under-skilled train wreck.

Barrack? That sounds like royalty. Are you ROYALTY?

mu wa hah hah


Elections have consequences...for him as well as for the rest of us. He will be testy, everyone will see it, already beginning to show.

Hope and Change and Mr. Happy................someone didn't look behind the mask at all. Can't be that happy in that church for 20 years, having friends that hate America and everything she represents, having a parent who hated America, having taken from the system over and over, and married to a woman who has a major chip on her shoulder...might be two as her shoulders are so wide.

Has no one found one classmate of his at Columbia or at Harvard as of yet? Not a word about him during that period of time. Down some black hole no doubt....why don't we know anything? And since we know nothing, why are people going to be surprised that he is a lot less then packaged. Beginning to think the 'H' in his name stands for Hubris...

797 Dustyvet  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 7:53:35am

re: #790 loppyd

Barney Frank’s hypocrisy


Oh Lord, won’t you buy me a Mercedes Benz ?
My friends all drive Porsches, I must make amends,
Worked hard all my lifetime, no help from my friends,
So oh Lord, won’t you buy me a Mercedes Benz ?

JANIS JOPLIN

798 realwest  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 7:53:57am

re: #789 goddessoftheclassroom Thanks {goddess} I'm going to be going now to take care of Mom.........oh, cops are at our door.
Bye for now y'all.

799 gregg  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 7:54:07am

re: #652 BBev

Friend of mine sent me this link and man I hope it is was wrong Big Inflation Coming

Check out this chart from the St Louis Federal Reserve Bank. I'm not an economist, but that doesn't look good.

800 Spare O'Lake  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 7:54:13am

re: #748 realwest

1. You acted in good faith and were advocating for the patient;
2. The life was only prolonged for perhaps a few minutes as I understand it;
3. The wife was standing right there and by her initial silence she probably was agreeing with your instructions. Then, when she saw it was hopeless, she put a stop to the treatment.
You therefore acted properly, compassionately and did absolutely nothing wrong. In fact, the widow may well take solace from your actions.

801 Dustyvet  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 7:54:53am

re: #793 RubyTuesday

If you care to search for it, (I won't provide, lest I fall from CJ's good graces) there's an actual old song called, "The Ballad of Ben Gay").
The only line I can remember is , "...me and Bruce at the Chartreuse Moose..."
Was hilarious in the 70s (?). Totally un-PC today. Still funny.

I'll search for it...:) Thanks...:)

802 lawhawk  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 7:55:37am

re: #776 jcbunga

From now on, you're Gomer Pyle. /gunny sgt. hartman, your drill instructor

803 jcbunga  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 7:57:08am

re: #802 lawhawk

From now on, you're Gomer Pyle. /gunny sgt. hartman, your drill instructor

we have a winner.

If there's anything I hate in this world it's an unlocked footlocker! Let's just see if there's anything missing...

804 opnion  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 7:57:16am

re: #796 yesandno

Elections have consequences...for him as well as for the rest of us. He will be testy, everyone will see it, already beginning to show.

Hope and Change and Mr. Happy................someone didn't look behind the mask at all. Can't be that happy in that church for 20 years, having friends that hate America and everything she represents, having a parent who hated America, having taken from the system over and over, and married to a woman who has a major chip on her shoulder...might be two as her shoulders are so wide.

Has no one found one classmate of his at Columbia or at Harvard as of yet? Not a word about him during that period of time. Down some black hole no doubt....why don't we know anything? And since we know nothing, why are people going to be surprised that he is a lot less then packaged. Beginning to think the 'H' in his name stands for Hubris...

How about ex girlfriends? They always surface & do tell all interviews or write books, or just talk about what a great guy what's his name is. Where are they? In the alternative, Michelle is the only woman ever in his life, not very likely.

805 esch  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 7:57:39am

re: #796 yesandno

Has no one found one classmate of his at Columbia or at Harvard as of yet? Not a word about him during that period of time. Down some black hole no doubt....why don't we know anything?

I'm figuring he's been riding coattails for years and no one wants to admit they've been doing his work for him. Yet.

Oh, and

/RACIST!

806 Dustyvet  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 7:58:11am

re: #803 jcbunga

we have a winner.

If there's anything I hate in this world it's an unlocked footlocker! Let's just see if there's anything missing...

Oh geeze not the doughnut...

807 lawhawk  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 7:58:18am

Apparently the NFL has corrected an egregious oversight and will be offering up tickets to the members of the Armed Forces color guard for the Super Bowl.

Thanks for your note and feel free to post my response.
Since we had not heard about this directly from the military, we contacted our military liaison for the color guard immediately yesterday to discuss it. We are providing tickets and the members of the color guard (12 people) will watch the game in the stadium.
Our longstanding support of the military is a proud NFL tradition, including numerous NFL players and coaches traveling overseas with the USO to visit troops. Last summer, Commissioner Goodell, Drew Brees, and Osi Umenyiora went on a USO trip to Iraq and Afghanistan with the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Mike Mullen.
Once again, thank you for your note and your service to our country.
808 aussiemagpie  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 7:58:34am

re: #738 wahabicorridor

G'day, I replied to your comment on the link I posted, and thanks for looking at those lovely photos

809 jcbunga  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 7:59:24am

The One has no history.

He derives his authority from a moistened wench who lobbed a scimitar at him.

810 lawhawk  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 7:59:27am

re: #806 Dustyvet

You owe me one jelly donut. You eat it, they pay for it. /

811 BBev  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:00:23am

re: #799 gregg

Check out this chart from the St Louis Federal Reserve Bank. I'm not an economist, but that doesn't look good.

I saw that the other day and all I can say is who is going to bail me out? The answer is no one! I would like to know when is the national det going to get at the point of no return? 3 wood do you know?

812 esch  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:00:39am

re: #804 opnion

How about ex girlfriends? They always surface & do tell all interviews or write books, or just talk about what a great guy what's his name is. Where are they? In the alternative, Michelle is the only woman ever in his life, not very likely.

They've all swallowed the 'Hope'

813 yesandno  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:01:37am

re: #805 esch

I'm figuring he's been riding coattails for years and no one wants to admit they've been doing his work for him. Yet.

Oh, and

/RACIST!

Honestly though, there was something said about a girl he lived with while at Columbia for about a year.......probably just some "individual' welfare program he cooked up.

/If I recalled that she was white, would that be RACIST?

814 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:01:52am

re: #802 lawhawk

From now on, you're Gomer Pyle. /gunny sgt. hartman, your drill instructor

Hehehe... we could always rename Barry... Snowball.

/just to get the RACIST hackles up.

815 wahabicorridor  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:02:08am

re: #808 aussiemagpie

G'day, I replied to your comment on the link I posted, and thanks for looking at those lovely photos

I caught it, aussie, thanks. (Still shaking my head over those camels on the beach!)

816 Roger  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:02:30am

President Obama thinks in terms of band-aids:
[Link: www.nytimes.com...]

817 opnion  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:02:31am

re: #812 esch

They've all swallowed the 'Hope'

I just think that it is very odd,that BHO only has a past pretty much according to his own memoirs.

818 jcbunga  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:02:35am

re: #814 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

Hehehe... we could always rename Barry... Snowball.

/just to get the RACIST hackles up.

...on the floor.

I upding you 1 thousand times.

/ashamed

819 wahabicorridor  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:04:22am

re: #795 bbuddha

up to the bitter end I was hoping for a pardon. (sigh)

No need to sigh. It is my understanding that they did not want pardons. They want another trial where they hope to be acquited.

820 bbuddha  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:05:22am

re: #817 opnion

"I just think that it is very odd,that BHO only has a past pretty much according to his own memoirs."

He does indulge in chicago style politics.
/fear is a great gag

821 Gang of One  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:05:52am

re: #802 lawhawk

From now on, you're Gomer Pyle. /gunny sgt. hartman, your drill instructor

822 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:06:36am

...because I am hard, you will not like me. I am hard but I am fair. My job is to separate all those non-hackers who do not pack the gear to serve in my beloved Corps.

/sorry, couldn't type in the list of racial slurs... too much PC brainwashing.

823 Dustyvet  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:06:46am

re: #810 lawhawk

You owe me one jelly donut. You eat it, they pay for it. /

824 wahabicorridor  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:06:51am

gotta hop - still in my pjs!

825 opnion  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:07:03am

re: #820 bbuddha

"I just think that it is very odd,that BHO only has a past pretty much according to his own memoirs."

He does indulge in chicago style politics.
/fear is a great gag


Chicago is where he was street schooled. He brought da guys wit him to D.C.

826 [deleted]  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:07:17am
827 3 wood  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:08:05am

re: #811 BBev

re: #799 gregg

Check out this chart from the St Louis Federal Reserve Bank. I'm not an economist, but that doesn't look good.

I saw that the other day and all I can say is who is going to bail me out? The answer is no one! I would like to know when is the national det going to get at the point of no return? 3 wood do you know?

The point of no return is when nobody will buy the debt anymore.

So far that is not a problem, as people in other countries are dumping their currency and buying dollars.

If you think our economy is screwed up, just take a good look around the world.
This is going to be dang ugly for quite a while yet.

828 bbuddha  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:08:12am

re: #819 wahabicorridor

No need to sigh. It is my understanding that they did not want pardons. They want another trial where they hope to be acquited.

I had not heard that. It would be nice if that could happen.
unfortunately when it comes to our legal system I am a pessimist. I have watched the guilty walk away and watched our "justice" system screw the innocent.

829 3 wood  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:08:31am

Got to get ready for church. Later.

830 BBev  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:09:14am

The bond market is way down and gold is why up. Time to buy more gold

831 esch  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:09:23am

re: #817 opnion

dumbO is almost entirely manufactured. I am quite certain he 'wrote' his memoirs with copious help from Ayers. Especially when comparing them to other works of his. I have to give Ayers/Soros etc credit for pulling off this fraud.

This guy's vap0rware.

832 BBev  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:10:09am

re: #827 3 wood

Thank you. I would like to talk more about this later

833 [deleted]  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:10:20am
834 gregg  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:10:55am

re: #811 BBev

So if the money supply has gone up 70% since last October, is that dollar bill in my wallet only worth 59 cents at this point (1 / 1.7) , or is that the wrong way to think of it?

835 RubyTuesday  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:11:36am

re: #801 Dustyvet

I'm thinking in song this morning. Everything said makes my mind respond with an old tune. I love "Mercedes Benz" and, in the last post about smudging, I immediately thought of Cole Porter's "You Do Something To Me," All I could think of was "Do do that voodoo yo boo do so well." Had to go check the real lyrics. Since I was there, I provided. #578.
Is this an aneurysm like the girl had in Scrubs that made her hear everything in song? We're all in trouble.

836 96RoadKing  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:12:53am

re: #799 gregg

Check out this chart from the St Louis Federal Reserve Bank. I'm not an economist, but that doesn't look good.


I have no idea what to do investment wise. One guy says now is the time to invest (while the market's down), another says ride out the storm (until it hits rock bottom around 7200) and then invest like mad...my gut instinct is to yank everything out and stuff it all into a mattress, but with hyperinflation on the horizon, what good is that? Maybe it's time to invest in something useful, like heavy artillery...

837 BBev  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:12:59am

re: #833 ploome hineni

and do you sell gold when it goes down?

lol

Not the way the bond market is looking, could the bond market be the next bubble?

838 akak  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:13:03am

re: #834 gregg

So if the money supply has gone up 70% since last October, is that dollar bill in my wallet only worth 59 cents at this point (1 / 1.7) , or is that the wrong way to think of it?

Every other nation pumped money in too, so it is relative to the global infusion.

839 Dustyvet  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:14:59am

re: #835 RubyTuesday

I'm thinking in song this morning. Everything said makes my mind respond with an old tune. I love "Mercedes Benz" and, in the last post about smudging, I immediately thought of Cole Porter's "You Do Something To Me," All I could think of was "Do do that voodoo yo boo do so well." Had to go check the real lyrics. Since I was there, I provided. #578.
Is this an aneurysm like the girl had in Scrubs that made her hear everything in song? We're all in trouble.

No idea, I don't wear scrubs...:)

840 yma o hyd  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:15:18am

Hi, Lizard Nation!

For all you soccer fans - news.bbc.co.uk...]>Cardiff produced a superb performance to hold Arsenal to a goalless draw in the FA Cup fourth round at Ninian Park./a>

Looks like Cardiff could've won this - gah!

841 RubyTuesday  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:15:20am

Bless you, realwest. Better to err on the side of life, IMO.
Forgive yourself! You're the only one who hasn't!

842 [deleted]  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:15:41am
843 BBev  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:18:29am

re: #842 ploome hineni

so if you buy gold now, the premium on a gold eagle is about 100$

so you will be buying one ounce for 980$

then what?

I am assuming the point is to hold value and hope for an increase in the price of gold, to realize some profit

at some point

right?

I am not an economist. I am asking questions to try and get some answers and to answer your question i would say yes but please tell me if I am wrong.

844 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:18:35am

re: #836 96RoadKing

I have no idea what to do investment wise. One guy says now is the time to invest (while the market's down), another says ride out the storm (until it hits rock bottom around 7200) and then invest like mad...my gut instinct is to yank everything out and stuff it all into a mattress, but with hyperinflation on the horizon, what good is that? Maybe it's time to invest in something useful, like heavy artillery...

My guess is things will have value, money won't. So, buy tangibles now (real estate, various things of life) and ride into the 1,000% inflation carrying some debt in cash... watch the hyperinflation make your debt nothing in no time!

845 Dustyvet  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:18:55am

re: #834 gregg

So if the money supply has gone up 70% since last October, is that dollar bill in my wallet only worth 59 cents at this point (1 / 1.7) , or is that the wrong way to think of it?

If George Washington never lied, how come he's on a bill that's only worth 59 cents...

846 bloodnok  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:19:00am

re: #840 yma o hyd

Hi, Lizard Nation!

For all you soccer fans - Cardiff produced a superb performance to hold Arsenal to a goalless draw in the FA Cup fourth round at Ninian Park./a>

Looks like Cardiff could've won this - gah!

I was quite annoyed that that match was not on TV here. Good for Cardiff. I can't stand Arsenal.

847 jaunte  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:19:17am

Gold mining mutual funds:

"Gold stocks — and the funds that own them — tend to move in opposite directions from both stocks and bonds. Gold miners also are global enterprises, spreading investment risk geographically. Even minimal exposure, say 5% of a portfolio, dampens the impact of unpredictable swings."


[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

848 yma o hyd  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:20:10am

Hi {rw}!

Don't beat yourself up - you made the right decision, its best to err on the side of humanity, and its best to take action when others are too stunned to do anything at all.

I wish I had friends like you, who are prepared to to something rather than just stand around and wring their hands.

Mega-hugs to you, {rw}!

849 opnion  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:20:17am

re: #831 esch

dumbO is almost entirely manufactured. I am quite certain he 'wrote' his memoirs with copious help from Ayers. Especially when comparing them to other works of his. I have to give Ayers/Soros etc credit for pulling off this fraud.

This guy's vap0rware.


The guy gets a book deal as a fresh law school grad. The subject matter was supposed to be race relations, but BHO finds himself more interesting & it morphs into a memoir. Yeah, it is all about him

850 gregg  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:20:25am

re: #838 akak

Every other nation pumped money in too, so it is relative to the global infusion.

Thanks. From my simplistic point of view, I read that the money supply is up 70%, but my paycheck is the same size, so my piece of the pie is much smaller.

851 96RoadKing  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:20:54am

Anybody else see Pelosi this morning? She says that instead of cutting tax rates, she wants to give a tax credit to the lowest tier groups. She says these are the tax 'payers' that pay no Federal Income Tax, but they are more deserving of 'help' via government largesse.

I don't know, is this an example of 'trickle up' doo voo economics?

852 Erik The Red  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:21:23am

re: #846 bloodnok

I was quite annoyed that that match was not on TV here. Good for Cardiff. I can't stand Arsenal.

Watching Liverpool and Everton now. Go the REDS.

853 psyop  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:21:44am

Holy effing shit.... If I read one more article, or hear one more segment on radio or television, describing Obama as "Pragmatic" or any derivation thereof, I just may explode.

Can't... freaking... take it.

...where is my damn coffee.

854 [deleted]  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:22:00am
855 96RoadKing  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:22:12am

re: #844 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

My guess is things will have value, money won't. So, buy tangibles now (real estate, various things of life) and ride into the 1,000% inflation carrying some debt in cash... watch the hyperinflation make your debt nothing in no time!


Sounds like good advice. Would you compare our current situation to the early years of the Weimar Republic?

857 Dustyvet  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:23:04am

re: #853 psyop

Holy effing shit.... If I read one more article, or hear one more segment on radio or television, describing Obama as "Pragmatic" or any derivation thereof, I just may explode.

Can't... freaking... take it.

...where is my damn coffee.

Want a Tylenol instead?

858 itellu3times  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:23:29am

re: #722 realwest

Unless he had been in agony before this incident, I think it good that you enouraged the EMT to try resuscitation.

So many old people have a DNR as a matter of policy, but then pass when they could easily have lived - that is something I saw recently, and brother, you don't want to be part of that.

859 Erik The Red  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:23:36am

re: #856 Alouette

Jimmy Carter's new book on how to achieve Mideast peace

Fuck Carter won't even open the link. But thank you anyways.

860 BBev  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:23:44am

re: #854 ploome hineni

We need more economists here on LGF.

861 Dustyvet  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:23:54am

re: #856 Alouette

Jimmy Carter's new book on how to achieve Mideast peace

I'll look for that at my local book store, should be in the humor section right?

862 bloodnok  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:24:05am

re: #852 Erik The Red

Watching Liverpool and Everton now. Go the REDS.

Me too (with no sound) -I found a French stream online.

863 gregg  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:24:10am

re: #844 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

My guess is things will have value, money won't. So, buy tangibles now (real estate, various things of life) and ride into the 1,000% inflation carrying some debt in cash... watch the hyperinflation make your debt nothing in no time!

This starting to sound like the Glenn Beck show. Of course, he's been right so far on his economic warnings.

864 96RoadKing  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:24:12am

re: #853 psyop

Holy effing shit.... If I read one more article, or hear one more segment on radio or television, describing Obama as "Pragmatic" or any derivation thereof, I just may explode.

Can't... freaking... take it.

...where is my damn coffee.


Sounds like you need a caramel roll too...

865 yma o hyd  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:24:16am

re: #846 bloodnok

I was quite annoyed that that match was not on TV here. Good for Cardiff. I can't stand Arsenal.

Heh.
I'm no fan of soccer at all, but seeing that its the local club I'm prepared to give some virtual support.

Personally, I'm much more proud of how the Blues, the Cardiff Rugby Club, has done in the pool stages of the European Club Championships, the Heineken Cup. Unbeaten, top points, won hard games away in France and England - yep, thats pretty good going!

866 nyc redneck  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:24:43am

re: #722 realwest

hey {real},
what a harsh way to start your morning.
so sorry to hear abt. your neighbor.
i'm saying a prayer.

867 [deleted]  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:24:59am
868 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:25:11am

re: #855 96RoadKing

Sounds like good advice. Would you compare our current situation to the early years of the Weimar Republic?

I have several 100,000,000,000 Mark notes in my office. Enough to buy a loaf of bread (maybe).

Personally, I think we are on the verge of a Weimar style collapse. Our leaders haven't got a clue about fiscal responsibility, they actually take pride in drilling us into a hole. The result won't be the the election of a Hitler, but rather a revolution.

That's just where I see us headed.

869 96RoadKing  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:25:29am

re: #856 Alouette
Another piece of flotsom I'll not bother with...

870 [deleted]  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:25:36am
871 bbuddha  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:25:57am

be back in a bit. my better half is going to further my culinary education.

872 esch  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:26:30am

re: #854 ploome hineni

There are always pessimistic goldbugs around. Right now they have a point, but don't bet the farm on them.

873 psyop  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:26:34am

re: #857 Dustyvet

That could work, too.

Usually, reading the paper in the morning is a relaxing way to start your day, but every now and then.....

874 96RoadKing  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:26:34am

re: #861 Dustyvet

I'll look for that at my local book store, should be in the humor section right?


More likely the Fantasy Section.

875 BBev  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:26:56am

re: #863 gregg

This starting to sound like the Glenn Beck show. Of course, he's been right so far on his economic warnings.

And i have listen to him and paid off my dept except my very small mortgage the big problem will be food as I live in a city and no room to grow much.

876 yesandno  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:27:03am

re: #851 96RoadKing

Anybody else see Pelosi this morning? She says that instead of cutting tax rates, she wants to give a tax credit to the lowest tier groups. She says these are the tax 'payers' that pay no Federal Income Tax, but they are more deserving of 'help' via government largesse.

I don't know, is this an example of 'trickle up' doo voo economics?

She is two eyelids short of a blink.....if it weren't for Maxine Waters and Barbara Boxer, she might be the most ignorant politician in California. Savvy yes, smart no.

Absolute power corrupts absolutely.

877 Erik The Red  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:27:07am

re: #868 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

Careful Vet. Charles made a comment yesterday about calling for a rev..... said he would ban accounts.

878 esch  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:27:54am

re: #864 96RoadKing

Sounds like you need a caramel roll too...

BOY did I read that wrong the first time. Although it gives me an idea for a novelty product.

"Caramel Toe"

879 Miss Trixie  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:28:18am

{ { {realwest} } }

Jebus! Please don't beat yourself up, hon, you had no way of knowing the details and you did what you thought was right.

880 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:28:39am

re: #875 BBev

And i have listen to him and paid off my dept except my very small mortgage the big problem will be food as I live in a city and no room to grow much.

Food will be a major problem for many. If the prices skyrocket, nobody will be able to afford anything.

881 sattv4u2  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:28:48am

re: #856 Alouette

Jimmy Carter's new book on how to achieve Mideast peace

Must be as balanced as if Louis Farrakhan were to write How To Achieve Racial Harmony

882 96RoadKing  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:28:57am

re: #868 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

I have several 100,000,000,000 Mark notes in my office. Enough to buy a loaf of bread (maybe).

Personally, I think we are on the verge of a Weimar style collapse. Our leaders haven't got a clue about fiscal responsibility, they actually take pride in drilling us into a hole. The result won't be the the election of a Hitler, but rather a revolution.

That's just where I see us headed.


In that case, I'm glad I'm on your side! Time to head down to the local Sporting Goods store and stock up on some more ammo...

Might be time to stop in at the local Army/Navy Surplus store too...

883 yma o hyd  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:29:13am

re: #855 96RoadKing

Sounds like good advice. Would you compare our current situation to the early years of the Weimar Republic?

Nope.
The USA, unlike Germany at that time, has not come out of a huge war, defeated, and is not forced to pay huge reparations. Nor are there Communist and right-wing band having street battles on eery corner. Nor are there states ruled by a Soviet-Style government.

its more reminiscent of the early 30s, when FDR took power.
There are some very good recent books about that time - and I think we're seeing PB) trying to imitate an FDR-style regime, with all the truly bad things this implies. Executive orders in the first 100 days are one of these things ...

884 psyop  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:29:33am

re: #876 yesandno

She is two eyelids short of a blink.....if it weren't for Maxine Waters and Barbara Boxer, she might be the most ignorant politician in California. Savvy yes, smart no.

Absolute power corrupts absolutely.

Don't forget one of ours up here in the beautiful state of Washington; Maria Cantwell. Or as some like to call her; Maria Cantvotewell.

885 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:29:34am

re: #877 Erik The Red

Careful Vet. Charles made a comment yesterday about calling for a rev..... said he would ban accounts.

Gotcha... not calling for anything, making a prediction based on events, but my lips are sealed.

886 [deleted]  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:30:12am
887 psyop  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:30:40am

re: #878 esch

BOY did I read that wrong the first time. Although it gives me an idea for a novelty product.

"Caramel Toe"

I don't care who you are.... That's funny.

888 96RoadKing  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:31:07am

re: #882 96RoadKing

In that case, I'm glad I'm on your side! Time to head down to the local Sporting Goods store and stock up on some more ammo...

Might be time to stop in at the local Army/Navy Surplus store too...


All for home defense, of course...

889 esch  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:31:45am

re: #886 ploome hineni

lol

stock up on dried beans

/you can;t be serious?

Famous last words of nations:

"It can't happen here"

Better to be prepared. I still have Y2K stuff in storage.

890 sattv4u2  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:31:46am

re: #712 akak

Two Israeli bomb experts Yakov Yerushalmi & Doron Bergerbest-Eilon from Israeli embassy concur blast was Middle eastern signature.
Nichols & McVeigh were not capable.

They weren't capable of loading a Ryder truck with manure!?!?!? Were their arms in slings!?!?!?!?

891 [deleted]  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:31:48am
892 psyop  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:32:07am

re: #876 yesandno

She is two eyelids short of a blink.....if it weren't for Maxine Waters and Barbara Boxer, she might be the most ignorant politician in California. Savvy yes, smart no.

Absolute power corrupts absolutely.

Whoops, my reading comprehension score was just lowered a few points... You said from California, not just in general....

893 [deleted]  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:32:22am
894 Sheila Broflovski  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:33:10am

re: #859 Erik The Red

Fuck Carter won't even open the link. But thank you anyways.

But the link has a great, classic C&F cartoon

895 esch  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:33:31am

re: #893 ploome hineni

LMAO I know. Still better to be wrong than starving.

896 psyop  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:33:42am

re: #891 ploome hineni

for incomplete trannies?

No, but perhaps for hungry trannies.

:)

897 jaunte  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:34:10am

Benefits of real assets:
Rx: Canned goods and ammunition
[Link: www.investmentnews.com...]

898 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:34:28am

re: #893 ploome hineni

lol

Odd isn't it?

Back in grandaddy's day, keeping a stock of things on hand to ride out "bad times" was called being prudent.

Today it marks one as a nut.

899 itellu3times  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:34:33am

re: #713 3 wood

Good morning.

I think the banks will be fully nationalized shortly.

Hoo boy.

That's allI can say - hoo boy.

Yes, I understand your statement, and frankly I understand why this might be a good thing. Current problems are unprecedented, ridiculous.

Pity about Bank of America - if they had kept their hands off Countrywide and Merrill, I presume they would still be quite healthy.

The problem is, even now, almost a full year after the Bear-Stearns collapse that let's say marked the start of the crisis, the financial position of the big players is still apparently unknown, I presume to anyone including themselves. This is a real possibility, I've worked the industry, I'm working it now for that matter.

Dare the federal government take that on?
Dare they not?

I don't know.

But here's the thing, the problem is world-wide, and American banks are apparently only about half the problem, maybe less, maybe a lot less. Will EU countries nationalize their banks at the same time? What about China - where I guess they already are nationalized!

For that matter, what exactly is the "problem" they are supposed to have? Do you have a problem right now with a bank - other than holding bank stock that is now worthless or nearly so?

900 Dustyvet  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:34:56am

re: #893 ploome hineni

lol

Or in the immortal words of General George Armstrong Custer...

"Look at all them Indians..."

901 96RoadKing  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:35:31am

re: #883 yma o hyd

Nope.
The USA, unlike Germany at that time, has not come out of a huge war, defeated, and is not forced to pay huge reparations. Nor are there Communist and right-wing band having street battles on eery corner. Nor are there states ruled by a Soviet-Style government.

its more reminiscent of the early 30s, when FDR took power.
There are some very good recent books about that time - and I think we're seeing PB) trying to imitate an FDR-style regime, with all the truly bad things this implies. Executive orders in the first 100 days are one of these things ...

I'm hoping that some of those books discussing the policies that prolonged the Depression get some air time. I noticed an uptick in defense of FDR's policies recently. Much in response to the unemployment statistics from '33 - '38 brought up by Rush. As the Chinese curse goes: "May you live in interesting times"

902 Erik The Red  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:35:39am

My deepest apologies went back and open link and now have half my drink out my nose and on my laptop. ROTFLMAO. And up dinged.

903 realwest  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:35:43am

Hi y'all - well, mom's ok, we just finished being interviewed by the cops (I was, as it happens, the first person on the scene other than the widow) and they said what most of y'all's been saying: try to save the life; in reality he WAS still alive when I got there, but expired shortly after the EMS workers showed up and started trying to save his life.

But this is the first time I've seen anyone die peacefully and it was...............strange.
Cops were very nice, funeral parlor is already here and our neighbor and her family have gone off somewhere.

904 psyop  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:36:01am

re: #900 Dustyvet

Or in the immortal words of General George Armstrong Custer...

"Look at all them Indians Indigenous Peoples..."

Fixed it for ya....

905 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:36:06am

re: #900 Dustyvet

Or in the immortal words of General George Armstrong Custer...

"Look at all them Indians..."

Or

"I don't know what's wrong with those Indians, they were OK at the dance last night."

906 loppyd  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:36:18am

SHOCKA! Dianne the bra stuffer Wilkerson admits she took at least $70,00

Former state Senator Dianne Wilkerson said she routinely accepted money over the last decade from friends and political supporters - upwards of $70,000, some of it cash in unmarked envelopes - without ever reporting it on her campaign reports or tax returns.

Wilkerson disclosed her acceptance of the cash and checks in a recent interview with the Globe, saying she took individual financial contributions of up to $10,000 to help pay off mortgage and federal tax debts. The contributions, she said, were approved by the state Ethics Commission, vetted by lawyers, and within state and federal laws.

907 96RoadKing  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:36:51am

re: #889 esch

Famous last words of nations:

"It can't happen here"

Better to be prepared. I still have Y2K stuff in storage.


What's the expiration date on that stuff?

908 yesandno  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:37:58am

re: #892 psyop

Whoops, my reading comprehension score was just lowered a few points... You said from California, not just in general....

Ah....don't berate yourself.

In the race to the bottom, lots of candidates.

One thing about getting old... When young, you think how smart all these leaders are. Then you begin to think that your might be able to compete with them as you get older. When you get old, you understand that often stupid people have power over you and there seems to be a trend in that direction for me! Don't care how book smart you are...you need common sense and you don't get that from books.

909 sattv4u2  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:38:12am

re: #906 loppyd

SHOCKA! Dianne the bra stuffer Wilkerson admits she took at least $70,00

$70 K in her bra! And here I thought breast augmentation was only about $5-6,000,, tops!

910 Only The Lurker Knows  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:38:20am

Morning again. Troll just got the banning stick in the last thread. Racist remark. Charles is awake and watching. Get ready for a new thread.

911 nyc redneck  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:38:56am

re: #786 jcbunga

A couple more missile strikes into Pah-kee-stahn and maybe Sean Penn will travel there to be one with the victims of this President's eNdLeSs WaR.

I'll pay for the airfare.

P.S.: Drives me nuts how The One says "Pah-kee-stahn". This is Amurrica, dammit. Talk right.

lol, i can't stand the voice or the affected pronunciations either.
he would rather pander to the world than remain faithful to accepted pronunciations of his own language.
he is so uncomfortable w/ any appearance of favoring america.
and that includes "talkin' right."
he is a haughty citizen of the world.

912 realwest  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:38:58am

re: #904 psyop
For you and for Dustyvet I can practically guarantee you that Custer said "Holy shit, look at all those Mofo's".
Actually he probably only said the first two words.

913 loppyd  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:38:59am

Sorry Caroline, but all's fair in politics


LIFE is unfair, John F. Kennedy famously said.

Most of her life, Caroline Kennedy experienced the protection that wealth and privilege bestow on very few. This week, she felt the sting that comes when expectations - fair or not - meet reality.

914 Erik The Red  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:39:26am

re: #910 Bubblehead II

Morning again. Troll just got the banning stick in the last thread. Racist remark. Charles is awake and watching. Get ready for a new thread.

I read the bottom half of the thread who got the stick?

915 itellu3times  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:39:27am

Talk shows this morning.

ABC has Pelosi - I don't care what she says about anything, and it's agony to look at her face.

NBC has Laurence Summers, but host David Gregory is unbearable, badgering Summers as if Gregory had any knowledge whatsoever about economics.

Fox has McCain, being McCain, and then Chuck E. Schumer, another empty piehole.

No wonder the country is in trouble, there is nothing like intelligent discussion on any of the networks major shows.

916 psyop  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:39:30am

re: #908 yesandno

Ah....don't berate yourself.

In the race to the bottom, lots of candidates.

One thing about getting old... When young, you think how smart all these leaders are. Then you begin to think that your might be able to compete with them as you get older. When you get old, you understand that often stupid people have power over you and there seems to be a trend in that direction for me! Don't care how book smart you are...you need common sense and you don't get that from books.

That is certainly true.

'Course, I do like me some books.

917 sattv4u2  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:39:34am

re: #910 Bubblehead II

Morning again. Troll just got the banning stick in the last thread. Racist remark. Charles is awake and watching. Get ready for a new thread.

A regular, or a hit and runner?!?!?!

918 [deleted]  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:39:36am
919 loppyd  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:39:38am

re: #909 sattv4u2

$70 K in her bra! And here I thought breast augmentation was only about $5-6,000,, tops!

per boob?

920 Digital Display  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:39:43am

re: #903 realwest

Damn realwest...What a bad day already

921 loppyd  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:40:25am

re: #915 itellu3times

Talk shows this morning.

ABC has Pelosi - I don't care what she says about anything, and it's agony to look at her face.

NBC has Laurence Summers, but host David Gregory is unbearable, badgering Summers as if Gregory had any knowledge whatsoever about economics.

Fox has McCain, being McCain, and then Chuck E. Schumer, another empty piehole.

No wonder the country is in trouble, there is nothing like intelligent discussion on any of the networks major shows.

I only saw Pelosi. She is bumbling fool.

922 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:40:29am

re: #912 realwest

Major Reno,

Big Village. Come Quick. Bring Packs.

Geo A Custer

PS-- Bring Packs.

923 esch  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:40:53am

re: #907 96RoadKing

Well beans and rice can last years with proper storage, along with canned goods. I don't have much, but I think I'll be replacing/buttressing it with a large load from Costco. The fuel and such last a long time.

Funny enough, I have an honest-to-goodness reinforced bomb shelter under the garage. Looks like I'm not the first paranoid whackjob to live here.

924 Erik The Red  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:40:56am

re: #915 itellu3times

Talk shows this morning.

ABC has Pelosi - I don't care what she says about anything, and it's agony to look at her face.

NBC has Laurence Summers, but host David Gregory is unbearable, badgering Summers as if Gregory had any knowledge whatsoever about economics.

Fox has McCain, being McCain, and then Chuck E. Schumer, another empty piehole.

No wonder the country is in trouble, there is nothing like intelligent discussion on any of the networks major shows.

Screw Sunday shows. Wait for Rush on Monday.

925 sattv4u2  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:41:09am

re: #919 loppyd

per boob?


Don;t bring Barney Frank into this!

926 [deleted]  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:41:15am
927 n in wi  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:41:42am

re: #906 loppyd
HMMM, I can't find where they say her party affiliatoin.
Any idea?

928 BBev  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:42:12am

re: #903 realwest

Real you did the right thing and God love ya for it.

929 Only The Lurker Knows  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:42:13am

re: #914 Erik The Red

CofactorMatrix

This user is blocked.

Registered since: Jul 24, 2008 at 6:39 pm
No. of comments posted: 96
No. of links posted: 0

Saw his post just before I logged on. When I finished logging in it was deleted and he/she/it was banned.

930 [deleted]  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:42:13am
931 realwest  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:42:20am

re: #907 96RoadKing
If they're C-Rations I guarntee the expiry date is sometime in 2045. Least wise I think that's what they said when I hadda eat 'em! That or there was no expiry date!
But check the expiry date on that ammo folks!

932 psyop  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:42:29am

re: #912 realwest

For you and for Dustyvet I can practically guarantee you that Custer said "Holy shit, look at all those Mofo's".
Actually he probably only said the first two words.

I remember reading somewhere (so it MUST be true!) that "Shit" was the thing most often said right before death. Followed by "Jesus".

933 sattv4u2  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:42:36am

re: #927 n in wi

HMMM, I can't find where they say her party affiliatoin.
Any idea?

heheheh ,, meanwhile, if a repub has an overdue library book !

934 sngnsgt  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:42:44am

re: #14 claspur

What does Obama and Osama have in common?

3 vowels and 2 consonants.

935 Only The Lurker Knows  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:42:56am

re: #917 sattv4u2

Hit and run from the stats.

936 rwmofo  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:43:13am

Buenos dias Lizardos. Charles just blew away cofactormax in another thread. Don't know what he said, but I bet it wasn't cool.

937 Erik The Red  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:43:33am

re: #929 Bubblehead II

CofactorMatrix

This user is blocked.

Registered since: Jul 24, 2008 at 6:39 pm
No. of comments posted: 96
No. of links posted: 0

Saw his post just before I logged on. When I finished logging in it was deleted and he/she/it was banned.

Never seen him/her here before. Must be a sock puppet.

938 goddessoftheclassroom  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:43:35am

One of the classes I teach is a gifted writing class that meets twice a week.

I'm having them enter a contest offered by the Ayn Rand Institute on the book Anthem.

I read it for the first time. I highly recommend it as an important reminder of what happens when the liberals' agenda is carried to its logical conclusion.

I'm not a total Objectivist, but I do agree with some of Rand's tenets.

939 Dustyvet  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:43:37am

re: #906 loppyd

SHOCKA! Dianne the bra stuffer Wilkerson admits she took at least $70,00

amazing how much you can get into a bra...:)

940 sattv4u2  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:43:41am

re: #932 psyop

I remember reading somewhere (so it MUST be true!) that "Shit" was the thing most often said right before death. Followed by "Jesus".


How do we know that Jesus is said right AFTER death!?!?!?!?

941 Erik The Red  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:43:58am

re: #937 Erik The Red

Never seen him/her here before. Must be a sock puppet.

Or Troll

942 n in wi  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:44:24am

re: #927 n in wi

HMMM, I can't find where they say her party affiliatoin.
Any idea?

Affiliation,that is.

943 loppyd  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:44:38am

re: #926 ploome hineni

when someone runs for office..and has less timeto earn money/salary

who picks up the cost of paying the candidates, mortgage, car payments, food bills etc?

how can an ordinary citizen run for office without someone picking up the costs?

You can get donations for all of that - but you have to report it which she did not do.

This woman deserves no sympathy:

Wilkerson was sentenced to house arrest in December 1997 after pleading guilty to failing to pay $51,000 in federal income taxes in the early 1990s. She was suspended from practicing law for one year in 1999 because of the conviction and did not seek reinstatement.

In 2001, she was fined $1,000 by the State Ethics Commission for failing to properly report that a bank she lobbied for as senator was paying her more than $20,000 a year as a consultant

In September 2005, the state Attorney General and head of the state’s campaign finance office filed a lawsuit against Wilkerson, alleging she had not reported nearly $27,000 in donations and refused to explain more than $18,000 in personal reimbursements. She agreed to pay a $10,000 fine and forego about $30,000 in debts owed her to settle the allegations

The state Office of the Bar Counsel filed a complaint on October 3, 2008, accusing Wilkerson of violating the rules of professional conduct by lying under oath at a 2005 court hearing at which her nephew, Jermaine Berry, requested a new trial on a manslaughter conviction

On October 28, 2008, Wilkerson was arrested by the FBI on public corruption charges. A federal criminal complaint was filed against her that alleges she was caught on tape stuffing a cash bribe into her bra and accepted those cash payments in exchange for her official duties and responsibilities. She is currently free on a $50,000 non-surety bond after having appeared in U.S. District Court.

944 Only The Lurker Knows  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:44:39am

re: #930 ploome hineni

See my 929 if you haven't already.

945 psyop  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:44:48am

re: #922 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

Major Reno,

Big Village. Come Quick. Bring Packs.

Geo A Custer

PS-- Bring Packs.

I am grateful that in my time at war, we had the benefit of calling in an air strike.

946 [deleted]  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:45:08am
947 96RoadKing  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:45:23am

re: #908 yesandno

Ah....don't berate yourself.

In the race to the bottom, lots of candidates.

One thing about getting old... When young, you think how smart all these leaders are. Then you begin to think that your might be able to compete with them as you get older. When you get old, you understand that often stupid people have power over you and there seems to be a trend in that direction for me! Don't care how book smart you are...you need common sense and you don't get that from books.


Unfortunately, common sense is something in very short supply in government...

948 sattv4u2  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:45:40am

re: #939 Dustyvet

amazing how much you can get into a bra...:)

After seeing Chesty Morgan in person in the early 80's, I can attest to that statement

949 BBev  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:46:13am

Here is a lind that my help some on the currant economic theory that from what I know is being using today, I may be wrong ,,,,Keynesian economists

950 Only The Lurker Knows  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:46:29am

re: #937 Erik The Red

Not any more :-)

951 loppyd  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:46:31am

re: #939 Dustyvet

amazing how much you can get into a bra...:)

That would be one massive bra.

952 yma o hyd  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:46:40am

re: #898 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

Odd isn't it?

Back in grandaddy's day, keeping a stock of things on hand to ride out "bad times" was called being prudent.

Today it marks one as a nut.

Yep - and there are lots of 'life coaches' who are massively into 'de-cluttering' and loathe what they call 'hoarding'.

Well - granny's generation, having been through two wars, also called it prudence, because they knew from experience that things such as torch batteries, sewing needles, thread, string, wrapping paper, soap, candles, matches all suddenly vanished.
Same for tins of food, biscuits, coffee, tea ...

If one had 'hoarded' them, one could exchange them with friends, or give them as gifts.

Young folks today haven't got a clue!

953 [deleted]  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:46:47am
954 realwest  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:47:05am

re: #920 HoosierHoops
Hey Hoops - yeah, not what I would consider a good day, for sure.
How are you doing today?

955 loppyd  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:47:19am

re: #948 sattv4u2

After seeing Chesty Morgan in person in the early 80's, I can attest to that statement

Ever see Busty Heart?

956 psyop  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:48:15am

re: #931 realwest

If they're C-Rations I guarntee the expiry date is sometime in 2045. Least wise I think that's what they said when I hadda eat 'em! That or there was no expiry date!
But check the expiry date on that ammo folks!

I have a couple of boxes of Army Issue .45

If I find myself using those, that means things have gone very bad.

957 sattv4u2  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:48:31am

re: #955 loppyd

Ever see Busty Heart?

If she was ever in The Combat Zone in between the earky 70's to the late 80,s ,, YES !

958 realwest  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:48:34am

re: #922 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret) Hell LT - that's only what they want you to believe - I'm telling ya his last words when he saw the 4,000 or so Sioux and Cheyenne coming over that hill at him and his 209 warriors were "OH SHIT!".

959 yma o hyd  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:48:49am

re: #903 realwest

Hi y'all - well, mom's ok, we just finished being interviewed by the cops (I was, as it happens, the first person on the scene other than the widow) and they said what most of y'all's been saying: try to save the life; in reality he WAS still alive when I got there, but expired shortly after the EMS workers showed up and started trying to save his life.

But this is the first time I've seen anyone die peacefully and it was...............strange.
Cops were very nice, funeral parlor is already here and our neighbor and her family have gone off somewhere.

{rw}

Well done!

960 [deleted]  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:49:19am
961 [deleted]  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:49:30am
962 alegrias  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:49:43am

re: #936 rwmofo

Buenos dias Lizardos. Charles just blew away cofactormax in another thread. Don't know what he said, but I bet it wasn't cool.

* * *

Speaking of COOL: Did anyone here besides me see Fred Ameisen (sp?) playing Pres. Obama "Because I'm COOL" on Saturday Night Live about 15 minutes into last night's show?

It's probably on You-Tube, but what a great impersonator of Obama is Fred Ameisen (sp?).

I missed the opening skit, which probably spoofed something Inaugural--anyone see it?

963 Dustyvet  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:49:57am

re: #958 realwest

Hell LT - that's only what they want you to believe - I'm telling ya his last words when he saw the 4,000 or so Sioux and Cheyenne coming over that hill at him and his 209 warriors were "OH SHIT!".

I think he real said:


Mommmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmy!

So dere...:)

964 psyop  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:50:04am

re: #940 sattv4u2

How do we know that Jesus is said right AFTER death!?!?!?!?

I think you were being humorous, but just in case you weren't...

I meant that "Jesus" was the second most oft uttered right before death.

965 [deleted]  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:50:14am
966 Only The Lurker Knows  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:50:28am

re: #953 ploome hineni

CofactorMatrix

This user is blocked.

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967 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:50:31am

re: #932 psyop

I remember reading somewhere (so it MUST be true!) that "Shit" was the thing most often said right before death. Followed by "Jesus".

I thought it was:

"Y'all watch this... here hol' my beer"

968 loppyd  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:51:07am

re: #957 sattv4u2

If she was ever in The Combat Zone in between the earky 70's to the late 80,s ,, YES !

The Zone is all cleaned up now. Kinda.

969 n in wi  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:51:31am

re: #949 BBev

Here is a lind that my help some on the currant economic theory that from what I know is being using today, I may be wrong ,,,,Keynesian economists

How can Keynesian theory have any credability left and still be taught?

970 realwest  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:51:36am

re: #923 esch
Ya know when I read this

Funny enough, I have an honest-to-goodness reinforced bomb shelter under the garage. Looks like I'm not the first paranoid whackjob to live here.

the words to "Bad Boys" from the TV show Cops sprang into my head "Whatcha gonna do when they come for you?!"

971 sattv4u2  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:51:48am

re: #964 psyop

I think you were being humorous, but just in case you weren't...

I meant that "Jesus" was the second most oft uttered right before death.

I was ,,, it just looked as if it read that way!

(you'll have to excuse me ,, I have a Groucho Marxian warped inside out sense of word play humor)

972 alegrias  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:52:21am

re: #938 goddessoftheclassroom

One of the classes I teach is a gifted writing class that meets twice a week.

I'm having them enter a contest offered by the Ayn Rand Institute on the book Anthem.

I read it for the first time. I highly recommend it as an important reminder of what happens when the liberals' agenda is carried to its logical conclusion.

I'm not a total Objectivist, but I do agree with some of Rand's tenets.

* * *
Thank you for encouraging your students to read something different. My brother and I don't remember any teacher recommending this author when we were in high school or college. Was Ayn Rand completely banned by our public school teachers?

973 [deleted]  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:52:34am
974 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:52:38am

re: #958 realwest

Hell LT - that's only what they want you to believe - I'm telling ya his last words when he saw the 4,000 or so Sioux and Cheyenne coming over that hill at him and his 209 warriors were "OH SHIT!".

I'm sure he said something along the lines of "Oh shit"... I quoted what he wrote to Reno in the support column. We know that one, Reno kept it as a souvenir.

975 yesandno  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:52:38am

re: #965 buzzsawmonkey

"Nevermind" is the mental state of the Peter Pan Democrat, is it not?

Upding!

Fairy dust explains it all......

976 sattv4u2  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:52:48am

re: #968 loppyd

The Zone is all cleaned up now. Kinda.

yeah ,, i know,,, it happened while I was still there !

Ahhh ,, for the good ole days!

977 itellu3times  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:52:57am

re: #969 n in wi

How can Keynesian theory have any credability left and still be taught?

I dunno, ask Paul Krugman.

978 realwest  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:52:59am

re: #928 BBev
Thanks my friend. I hope so.

979 Erik The Red  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:52:59am

re: #951 loppyd

That would be one massive bra.

Boobie thread

980 Digital Display  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:53:12am

re: #967 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

I thought it was:

"Y'all watch this... here hol' my beer"

boy..I've never said that before!

981 96RoadKing  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:53:18am

re: #923 esch

Well beans and rice can last years with proper storage, along with canned goods. I don't have much, but I think I'll be replacing/buttressing it with a large load from Costco. The fuel and such last a long time.

Funny enough, I have an honest-to-goodness reinforced bomb shelter under the garage. Looks like I'm not the first paranoid whackjob to live here.


Your home must have been built in the '50's or early '60's. Lots of those were built then. During the '70's - '90's, most were converted into rumpus rooms or additional storage...

982 sngnsgt  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:53:20am

re: #965 buzzsawmonkey

"Nevermind" is the mental state of the Peter Pan Democrat, is it not?

Peter Pan is a democrat? That would explain the green suit, pointy hat and shoes.

983 psyop  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:53:58am

re: #967 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

I thought it was:

"Y'all watch this... here hol' my beer"

Where did you read that? On teh INTERNET?

*ppffft*

984 Dustyvet  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:54:02am

re: #967 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

I thought it was:

"Y'all watch this... here hol' my beer"

They couldn't hit an elephant at this distance.
General John Sedgwick, Union Commander in the U.S. Civil War, who was hit by sniper fire a few minutes after saying it

985 Digital Display  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:54:21am

New thread-->

986 BBev  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:54:23am

re: #969 n in wi

How can Keynesian theory have any credibility left and still be taught?

I was talking to a friend last night and he told me that is was being taught as of a few years ago. I is middle aged and has a boat load of cash so he took some classes, that poor teacher got laughed at almost everyday by my friend.

987 sattv4u2  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:54:41am

re: #982 sngnsgt

Peter Pan is a democrat? That would explain the green suit, pointy hat and shoes.

not to mention a GROWN LADY playing the part of a YOUNG BOY (or versa vice))

988 Colonel Panik  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:54:41am

re: #908 yesandno


One thing about getting old... When young, you think how smart all these leaders are. Then you begin to think that your might be able to compete with them as you get older. When you get old, you understand that often stupid people have power over you and there seems to be a trend in that direction for me! Don't care how book smart you are...you need common sense and you don't get that from books.

This is what I find particularly infuriating about Obama, since I went to high school with the "Messiah". This whole year has been completely surreal. It's like a bad dream from which I can't wake up.

He gave me the creeps then...I only saw him a few times on campus but he always gave me a weird vibe.

They say one should listen to one's premonitions.

989 goddessoftheclassroom  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:55:01am

re: #972 alegrias

* * *
Thank you for encouraging your students to read something different. My brother and I don't remember any teacher recommending this author when we were in high school or college. Was Ayn Rand completely banned by our public school teachers?

I have no idea! Her first published novel, We the Living, is semiautobiographical and set during the Russian Revolution, We aren't teaching our students how to use logic and think for themselves, but I'm trying my best to remedy that.

990 opnion  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:55:25am

Obama really bashed lobbyists during the campaign & said that they would not be in his Administration.
He just hired a lobbyist, but with an "Ethics Waiver." Get it?

991 Bobblehead  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:55:31am

I cannot bring myself to watch the Sunday morning news talk shows, Just unbearable. They just reinforce my feelings of impending doom. Why do we elect these bungling blowhards?

992 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:55:45am

re: #984 Dustyvet

They couldn't hit an elephant at this distance.
General John Sedgwick, Union Commander in the U.S. Civil War, who was hit by sniper fire a few minutes after saying it

Yes, he had just finished berating his men for cowering behind their breastworks (boobie thread!)...

Uncle John.. never did quite figure out why he has a good rep as a corps commander...

993 realwest  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:56:14am

re: #943 loppyd
Hey {loppyd} Bet ya she could run for Congress for your state the next election and get voted in, too!

994 esch  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:56:54am

re: #970 realwest

Ya know when I read this

the words to "Bad Boys" from the TV show Cops sprang into my head "Whatcha gonna do when they come for you?!"

Scream like a little bitch?

995 yma o hyd  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:57:00am

re: #960 buzzsawmonkey

Not to mention such things as toilet paper, razor blades (which are no longer standard, and the old double-edged blades and the proper holders for them are almost curiosities), socks, underwear, and sweaters (also, wool and knitting needles, if you know how to use them).

Knitting needles - yeah, I'm clinging onto mine fore dear life, not that I'm doing much with them any longer, thanks to 'wear and tear' in my fingers, a.k.a. arthritis ...

Yep - there's a long list of things which do keep and will be needed for sure.
I'm also thinking of old-fashioned sewing machines, those with a foot pedal ...

And all those gardening implements ...

996 n in wi  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:57:35am

re: #977 itellu3times

I dunno, ask Paul Krugman.

Looks like we will be able to see it's failures in the years to come.
I wonder how many of Milton Friedman books are required reading in college econ. courses today.

997 goddessoftheclassroom  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:58:00am

re General Custer

Among his papers was the following poem/song lyric, one of the most popular of the mid-19th century. It's alluded to by several other authors; Ray Bradbury used one of its lines as a title for a short story.

BACKWARD, turn backward, O Time, in your flight,
Make me a child again just for to-night!
Mother, come back from the echoless shore,
Take me again to your heart as of yore;
Kiss from my forehead the furrows of care,
Smooth the few silver threads out of my hair;
Over my slumbers your loving watch keep;—
Rock me to sleep, mother,—rock me to sleep!

Backward, flow backward, O tide of the years!
I am so weary of toil and of tears,—
Toil without recompense, tears all in vain,—
Take them, and give me my childhood again!
I have grown weary of dust and decay,—
Weary of flinging my soul-wealth away;
Weary of sowing for others to reap;—
Rock me to sleep, mother,—rock me to sleep!

Tired of the hollow, the base, the untrue,
Mother, O mother, my heart calls for you!
Many a summer the grass has grown green,
Blossomed and faded, our faces between:
Yet, with strong yearning and passionate pain,
Long I to-night for your presence again.
Come from the silence so long and so deep;—
Rock me to sleep, mother,—rock me to sleep!

Over my heart, in the days that are flown,
No love like mother-love ever has shone;
No other worship abides and endures,—
Faithful, unselfish, and patient like yours:
None like a mother can charm away pain
From the sick soul and the world-weary brain. 30
Slumber's soft calms o'er my heavy lids creep;—
Rock me to sleep, mother,—rock me to sleep!

Come, let your brown hair, just lighted with gold,
Fall on your shoulders again as of old;
Let it drop over my forehead to-night,
Shading my faint eyes away from the light;
For with its sunny-edged shadows once more
Haply will throng the sweet visions of yore;
Lovingly, softly, its bright billows sweep;—
Rock me to sleep, mother,—rock me to sleep!

Mother, dear mother, the years have been long
Since I last listened your lullaby song:
Sing, then, and unto my soul it shall seem
Womanhood's years have been only a dream.
Clasped to your heart in a loving embrace,
With your light lashes just sweeping my face,
Never hereafter to wake or to weep;—
Rock me to sleep, mother,—rock me to sleep!

998 sattv4u2  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:58:00am

re: #993 realwest

Hey {loppyd} Bet ya she could run for Congress for your state the next election and get voted in, too!

The "black community organizers", whose district she represents have already lined up in support of her

999 alegrias  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:58:09am

re: #982 sngnsgt

Peter Pan is a democrat? That would explain the green suit, pointy hat and shoes.

* * *
Peter Pan wore green TIGHTS, not a suit.

Like Rahm Emanuel wore tights (for ballet), where he got his training in how to be a brutal Chicago machine politician!

1000 96RoadKing  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:58:25am

re: #969 n in wi

How can Keynesian theory have any credability left and still be taught?


You've got all them there Demoncrats in Washington that don't read memo's on discredited ideas (Keynesian Economic Theory, Man Made Global Warming Theory, Actual Effects from Gun Bans)...

1001 [deleted]  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:59:25am
1002 BatGuano  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 9:00:38am

re: #938 goddessoftheclassroom

I read Anthem for the first time 3 weeks ago and I agree. Also, in my 12 years of public school education, I never heard the name Ayn Rand.

1003 aussiemagpie  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 9:01:41am

Erik the Red

No wonder you're leaving South Africa - the country is heading down the same path as Zimbabwe it seems

Communists steer Zuma's ANC

SOUTH Africa's ruling African National Congress has veered sharply to the Left and will go to elections this year with a manifesto largely dictated by the country's Communist Party, senior party officials say.

Under its leader, Jacob Zuma, the ANC has quietly adopted a radical platform of social policies that the business community claims is unaffordable.

The ANC already promises a free allowance of water and electricity to all and has introduced the largest welfare state ever seen in a developing country, with more than 40 per cent of the population in receipt of state handouts.

Under the influence of its firebrand new secretary-general, Gwede Mantashe, a former leader of the mine workers' union and chairman of the South African Communist Party, it is adopting policies and rhetoric based on left-wing st