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1 Sharmuta  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 10:23:14am

When will 0bama be giving this station an interview?

2 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 10:23:34am

These are the people our president reached out to last night.
Is he stupid or evil? You decide.

3 [deleted]  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 10:23:49am
4 Ojoe  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 10:24:22am

And Obama thinks diplomacy will work

5 Kragar  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 10:24:38am

Keep it up assholes. The next holocaust might not work out according to your plan.

6 newsjunkie_ky  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 10:24:50am

Don't think I can watch the video.

7 Kragar  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 10:25:05am

re: #2 Kosh's Shadow

These are the people our president reached out to last night.
Is he stupid or evil? You decide.

C. All of the Above

8 Ojoe  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 10:25:07am

re: #2 Kosh's Shadow

He cannot detect evil, I think; much less has he any idea how to deal with it.

9 CIA Reject  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 10:25:20am

re: #2 Kosh's Shadow

These are the people our president reached out to last night.
Is he stupid or evil? You decide.

BO is stupid, and he is in the process of giving himself over to Evil.

I pray that he can be stopped before he is gone completely.

10 jwb7605  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 10:25:47am

re: #3 buzzsawmonkey

Re-posted from the prior thread:

I think that there should be some concerted effort to buy paid programming on various networks, to show the film "Obsession," to show some of these MEMRI videos with appropriate commentary, to show some things like the comparison done a few threads up between the Hamas zoo video and the Israeli video showing the booby-traps.

This stuff needs to get out more. It needs to be aired on mainstream outlets, and paid programming is the only way to do it. And the programs need to be heavily advertised in advance.

This would take a great deal of money--but word has it that there are some wealthy people of conservative bent in this country.

The American public needs to see the real face of the enemy.

Glenn Beck gets poor reviews on this forum, but I think that would be a good place to start. He did interview (full hour) the Obsession producer.

11 [deleted]  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 10:26:14am
12 SasquatchOnSteroids  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 10:26:31am

There is true joy in this monsters' narrative.

"Look at her humiliation. Praise Allah."

Absolutely disgusted.

13 Sharmuta  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 10:26:33am
Annihilation underlies their ideology

I believe it's called "projection".

14 vapig  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 10:26:40am

Betcha dollars to donuts the worldwide left doesn't condemn this "hate" speak - but they'll prosecute anyone who points this out.

Hello bizarroworld!

15 DisturbedEma  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 10:26:50am

re: #2 Kosh's Shadow

These are the people our president reached out to last night.
Is he stupid or evil? You decide.


I will take evil for the Daily Double, Alex, I fear I am in real jeopardy. . .

16 smokefire  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 10:27:04am

..............I am confused.
First they deny that the holocaust happened, now they want another one to occur.

WTF, can't you camel screwers get it straight, or what?

17 DisturbedEma  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 10:27:28am

re: #6 newsjunkie_ky

Don't think I can watch the video.

Don't. . .I almost smashed a window of a rental. . .

18 opnion  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 10:27:52am

Is this guy one of the Muslim "Beautiful People" that Obama was talking about?

19 LGoPs  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 10:28:01am
“This is what we hope will happen but, Allah willing, at the hands of the Muslims.”

Careful what you invoke, fuckstick. Payback is a motherf**ker.....

20 vapig  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 10:28:16am

re: #9 CIA Reject

BO is stupid, and he is in the process of giving himself over to Evil.

I pray that he can be stopped before he is gone completely.

He was gone before he ever ran.

21 [deleted]  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 10:28:18am
22 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 10:28:19am

So the muslim world denies that the Holocaust, which too many people think is the only reason Israel exists, ever happened, yet they want to finish the job & Mein Kampf (literally translated as "My Jihad") is a bestseller. That is insanity in action.

23 sbvft contributor  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 10:28:32am

Not only what he's done thus far, but the speed in which BHO is moving on so many fronts is very very disturbing. Gitmo, the Pork Package, CIA, El Aribiya - its full speed ahead & no brakes. WTF?

24 Ojoe  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 10:28:33am

re: #16 smokefire

We are dealing with primitives here, or throwbacks, who have not achieved the level of rationality, I think.

25 [deleted]  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 10:28:44am
26 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 10:29:06am

re: #18 opnion

Is this guy one of the Muslim "Beautiful People" that Obama was talking about?

Maybe the "Beautiful People" that Marilyn Manson was talking about.

27 Ford_Prefect  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 10:29:15am

Boy, I sure am glad that Obama is going to negotiate a peace with these people.

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28 Golem Akbar  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 10:29:54am

I watched and forwarded it to some people with a warning. There will be those who will get very upset by this, especially older people who remember the Nazis and later the communists who tried to do the same thing. But it should be seen by anyone with a strong stomach and an abililty to channel their anger in a positive direction.

29 S'latch  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 10:29:57am

I appreciate that it is posted for those who don't know about the hatred of Jews, but there is no way I can watch this video.

30 Sharmuta  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 10:30:00am

And our President thinks it's his job to tell me what these people's hopes and dreams are! I think they speak for themselves just fine, and never mind it's his job to protect me from the likes of them.

31 zombie  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 10:30:01am

Imagine for one second that a Christian minister or a Jewish rabbi would do what this Muslim imam just did.

The outcry would be deafening. The condemnation would be universal. The entire religions would be discredited. Every single fellow minister or rabbi in the world would sign an open letter condemning the call for genocide.

But Islam? No, Islam gets a free pass. Islam can dive to the deepest depths of depravity and evil, and no one is allowed in the MSM to say a word.

In response, PBS will show a 48-hour marathon of Karen Armstrong's "Islam Is Vastly Superior to My Own Flawed Religion" mini-series.

32 Honorary Yooper  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 10:30:02am

re: #16 smokefire

..............I am confused.
First they deny that the holocaust happened, now they want another one to occur.

WTF, can't you camel screwers get it straight, or what?

It's always mind-twisting to listen to them on this. It gets even weirder when they deny the Holocaust, want another one to occur, and claim the Holocaust didn't go far enough. How one mind can hold all three thoughts and believe in them at the same time is just bizarre.

33 Ojoe  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 10:30:12am

re: #27 Ford_Prefect

not enough / in the world for that comment.

34 kynna  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 10:30:16am

Thank goodness PRESIDENT 0bama has opened the lines of communication to these folks. ///

What kind of monsters ...

Truly sickening.

35 bulwrk  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 10:30:34am

Somewhere in the world an Italian restaurant is missing a tablecloth.

36 [deleted]  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 10:30:48am
37 MandyManners  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 10:30:51am

It's a repost but, what the heck.

I have a suggestion of what to do with his beard that involves tweezers and rubbing alcohol or a rope and a door knob but, I'll refrain from posting it.

38 Blue Pinky  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 10:31:01am

Unlikely that this, or this morning's Hamas ceasefire violation will bust Obama's Let's-be-nice-to-them-and-they'll-be-nice-to-us fantasy bubble.

39 Lively  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 10:31:05am

re: #31 zombie

Imagine for one second that a Christian minister or a Jewish rabbi would do what this Muslim imam just did.

The outcry would be deafening. The condemnation would be universal. The entire religions would be discredited. Every single fellow minister or rabbi in the world would sign an open letter condemning the call for genocide.

But Islam? No, Islam gets a free pass. Islam can dive to the deepest depths of depravity and evil, and no one is allowed in the MSM to say a word.

In response, PBS will show a 48-hour marathon of Karen Armstrong's "Islam Is Vastly Superior to My Own Flawed Religion" mini-series.

Not supposed to judge.

/

40 zombie  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 10:31:18am

My only question:

Was this shown before or after the Obama interview?

41 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 10:31:44am

re: #23 sbvft contributor

Not only what he's done thus far, but the speed in which BHO is moving on so many fronts is very very disturbing. Gitmo, the Pork Package, CIA, El Aribiya - its full speed ahead & no brakes. WTF?

I'm sorry to say but he reminds me of Allende - a democratically elected leftist radical who moved with alarming alacrity to dismantle Chilean society.

42 Moonbat Serenade  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 10:31:45am

What can you expect from a society where men kiss each other and sex with animals is legal ? Welcome to the Show That Never Ends, Citizens of the World !

43 LGoPs  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 10:31:46am

Why is it that I think the Rev Jeremiah Wright would be comfortable with this fuck..........

44 Honorary Yooper  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 10:31:46am

re: #23 sbvft contributor

Not only what he's done thus far, but the speed in which BHO is moving on so many fronts is very very disturbing. Gitmo, the Pork Package, CIA, El Aribiya - its full speed ahead & no brakes. WTF?

He thinks he's FDR. That should be a hell of a warning. He's FDR, Carter, LBJ, and Wilson wrapped up in an organic torilla.

45 Land Shark  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 10:31:59am

re: #34 kynna

And he's gonna communicate with them WITHOUT pre-conditions, you know, like stop being murdering bastards who are trying to kill all who do not submit to Islam. Change we can believe in!

46 ThinkRight  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 10:32:12am

re: #27 Ford_Prefect

Boy, I sure am glad that Obama is going to negotiate a peace collaborate with these people.

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Fixed it for ya

47 Ford_Prefect  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 10:32:18am

re: #40 zombie

My only question:

Was this shown before or after the Obama interview?

Does it really matter? This is nothing new.

48 Nevergiveup  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 10:32:26am

re: #27 Ford_Prefect

Boy, I sure am glad that Obama is going to negotiate a peace with these people.

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What Obama doesn't understand, is that people who think like that, and many do, are our enemy. They are NOT our friends and never will be. Well sure as hell shouldn't be.

49 [deleted]  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 10:32:37am
50 ryannon  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 10:32:45am

This is so over the top that I sincerely don't know what to say, other than I hope someone here finds something to do about it....

51 jwb7605  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 10:32:48am

re: #25 buzzsawmonkey

Perhaps. I have suggested a paid-programming effort in conjunction with a large backup advertising campaign because I think that it is important to try and reach people who might not be willing to tune into a "conservative" show.

I recognize that on that basis they might also blow off an independent effort, but I think trying an independent effort, if money could be raised to mount it, might be worthwhile.

You mean a stand-alone paid program type effort?
IMAO there is only one network (Fox) that would take it, and they already have done some 'specials', which seemed to result in nada.

52 Ford_Prefect  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 10:32:49am

re: #33 Ojoe

not enough / in the world for that comment.

re: #46 ThinkRight

Fixed it for ya

Too true to both of you.

53 kynna  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 10:32:50am

re: #31 zombie

Imagine for one second that a Christian minister or a Jewish rabbi would do what this Muslim imam just did.

The outcry would be deafening. The condemnation would be universal. The entire religions would be discredited. Every single fellow minister or rabbi in the world would sign an open letter condemning the call for genocide.

But Islam? No, Islam gets a free pass. Islam can dive to the deepest depths of depravity and evil, and no one is allowed in the MSM to say a word.

In response, PBS will show a 48-hour marathon of Karen Armstrong's "Islam Is Vastly Superior to My Own Flawed Religion" mini-series.

And this is what's so incredibly infuriating. Do they just not know? Do they turn a blind eye in hopes it will go away? What in the world could get the media to excuse such evil?

54 Eowyn2  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 10:33:07am

re: #7 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

C. All of the Above

GREEDY

55 Sharmuta  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 10:33:20am

re: #27 Ford_Prefect

OT: The answer is George. Ringo only hit #4.

56 DisturbedEma  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 10:33:22am

re: #18 opnion

Is this guy one of the Muslim "Beautiful People" that Obama was talking about?

No, the ones Marilyn Manson was. . .

57 [deleted]  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 10:33:27am
58 subsailor68  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 10:33:32am

I'm sorry. I watched about four minutes of this. There's only one term that describes it.

Pornography.

59 Ojoe  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 10:33:52am

re: #53 kynna

The regular media is morally compromised, that is why they do not show this stuff.

60 DisturbedEma  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 10:34:05am

re: #44 Honorary Yooper

He thinks he's FDR. That should be a hell of a warning. He's FDR, Carter, LBJ, and Wilson wrapped up in an organic orgasmic torilla.

"fixed"

61 David IV of Georgia  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 10:34:36am

Although to convert from Islam to Christianity is to risk death in Egypt;
And to convert from Christianity to Islam means wealth and gain,
More Muslims convert (usually secretly) to Christianity
Than vice versa.
Why is that?

-sorry, I cannot disclose my source, but it is credible.

62 Ojoe  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 10:34:45am

re: #58 subsailor68

Pornography is a minor sin compared to this

63 researchok  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 10:34:52am

And they wonder why the civilized world looks at them as animals.

64 Ford_Prefect  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 10:34:58am

re: #55 Sharmuta

OT: The answer is George. Ringo only hit #4.

Really? I could have sworn he hit number one. I will bow to your superior knowledge.

*grovel, grovel, grovel

65 Golem Akbar  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 10:35:05am

re: #29 Lawrence Schmerel

I appreciate that it is posted for those who don't know about the hatred of Jews, but there is no way I can watch this video.


What you need to know is that Muslim Clerics are saying exactly what the Nazis said.

66 subsailor68  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 10:35:25am

re: #62 Ojoe

Pornography is a minor sin compared to this

Sigh. Quite right when I think about it.

67 faraway  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 10:35:31am

Is this Obama's new pastor?

68 DisturbedEma  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 10:35:39am

re: #43 LGoPs

Why is it that I think the Rev Jeremiah Wright would be comfortable with this fuck..........

Because they both hate Jews and America. . .not necessarily in that order. . .

69 Lively  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 10:35:49am

re: #67 faraway

Is this Obama's new pastor?

LOL

70 melinwy  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 10:35:53am

re: #3 buzzsawmonkey

Re-posted from the prior thread:

I think that there should be some concerted effort to buy paid programming on various networks, to show the film "Obsession," to show some of these MEMRI videos with appropriate commentary, to show some things like the comparison done a few threads up between the Hamas zoo video and the Israeli video showing the booby-traps.

This stuff needs to get out more. It needs to be aired on mainstream outlets, and paid programming is the only way to do it. And the programs need to be heavily advertised in advance.

This would take a great deal of money--but word has it that there are some wealthy people of conservative bent in this country.

The American public needs to see the real face of the enemy.

I don't have lots of money, but we can all share this with the tools Charles have given us and beyond. Worth of mouth, forwarding to friends etc., will go a long way to getting this out there. I agree with you that this SHOULD BE OUT FOR ALL to see.

71 Ojoe  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 10:36:06am

re: #61 David IV of Georgia

I have heard that too, from my evangelical Christian friends. Ask an evangelical, you will get some sources.

72 Sharmuta  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 10:36:22am

Since 0bama thinks it's his job to tell us the hopes and dreams of muslims, does this mean he'll be coming out and telling us they dream of a second Holocaust?

73 Ford_Prefect  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 10:36:42am

re: #63 researchok

And they wonder why the civilized world looks at them as animals.

I wish that were true. Too many people in the 'civilized' world make excuses for them and try to 'understand where they are coming from'.

74 Golem Akbar  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 10:36:44am

I thank MEMRI for posting this video. It needs to be seen. The world needs to know that the Nazi anti-Jewish sentiments did not die in World War II.

75 gmsc  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 10:36:51am
RoP Cleric Wishes for Another Holocaust

Another one?!? So, Mr. Cleric, you're admitting the first one happened?

76 DisturbedEma  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 10:37:00am

re: #72 Sharmuta

Since 0bama thinks it's his job to tell us the hopes and dreams of muslims, does this mean he'll be coming out and telling us they dream of a second HolocaustChange they can believe in?

Fixed

77 Killgore Trout  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 10:37:01am

He really went out of his way to find some of the most horrific death camp images. Some of them I've never seen before. He simply can't hide his joy at seeing the death, torture and humiliation of Jews. We've all seen this kind of thing before but this is really a new low.

78 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 10:37:13am

re: #56 DisturbedEma

GMTA (see my #26)

79 kynna  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 10:37:26am

re: #59 Ojoe

The regular media is morally compromised, that is why they do not show this stuff.

Meaning what? Compromised in what way? Hating the West so much that 'any-means-necessary'? Filled with metrosexual dunderheads? Anti-semites? Compromised by whom?

I can understand how some things have gotten to be the way they are, but the whitewash of Islam (especially when they torture and murder fellow media people) is an absolute mystery to me.

Skin color? Sadly, I think that's it. :(

80 Lively  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 10:37:35am

And Iran screams everyday, "We will have the bomb by the end of the year."

These people don't even try to hide their intentions. But we, as a nation, are still blind....sitting ducks.

81 DisturbedEma  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 10:37:43am

re: #74 Golem Akbar

I thank MEMRI for posting this video. It needs to be seen. The world needs to know that the Nazi anti-Jewish sentiments did not die in World War II.

And were not restricted to Europe. . .

82 LGoPs  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 10:37:44am

re: #63 researchok

And they wonder why the civilized world looks at them as rabid animals animals.

Sorry. Had to fix that. Animals don't act this way........

83 ThinkRight  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 10:37:52am

re: #63 researchok

And they wonder why the civilized world looks at them as animals.


Except Obama and the O-bots

84 Sharmuta  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 10:38:00am

re: #77 Killgore Trout

I'll trust you- I had to stop watching. I can only deal with so much Jew hate in a 24 hour period.

85 smokefire  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 10:38:10am

re: #69 Lively

LOL

................I can no sooner disown my newpastor, then I can my grandmother.

86 Golem Akbar  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 10:38:13am

re: #67 faraway

Is this Obama's new pastor?


NO. Don't taint Obama with this. He's going to have to face Muslim anti-semitism and the American people (bless them) will be just as shocked as we are about this. [and I'm not an Obama-defender, either]

87 [deleted]  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 10:38:25am
88 Golem Akbar  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 10:38:49am

re: #75 gmsc

Another one?!? So, Mr. Cleric, you're admitting the first one happened?


Of course, and hoping for another one. Praying for another one.

89 Ojoe  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 10:38:51am

re: #79 kynna

Most of them are compromised by their own desire for unmerited and unaccountable power.

90 logboy  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 10:39:11am

I bet these guys are a lot of fun at parties.

91 ThinkRight  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 10:39:24am

re: #87 taxfreekiller

Charles

Is there a way this Video thing can be sent to every Congress member and each Senator in D.C.


That would be racist and some sort of hate crime
/

92 zombie  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 10:39:31am

From about 8 minutes into the video:

[Showing a skeletal concentration camp victim on the verge of death.]
Imam speaking: "Look at the humiliation on his face. Allah be praised!"

93 DisturbedEma  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 10:39:38am

re: #77 Killgore Trout

He really went out of his way to find some of the most horrific death camp images. Some of them I've never seen before. He simply can't hide his joy at seeing the death, torture and humiliation of Jews. We've all seen this kind of thing before but this is really a new low.

If I told you they looked FAMILIAR would you be any less shocked? See, many people would be only shocked if they KNEW someone who lost someone. . .otherwise it is just "the past". . .

94 newsjunkie_ky  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 10:39:44am

Wonder if cnn will show this video right after that praise the 0 for sitting down to talk with Al Arabiya for his first interview as potus (small caps on purpose).

95 smokefire  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 10:39:48am

re: #84 Sharmuta

I'll trust you- I had to stop watching. I can only deal with so much Jew hate in a 24 hour period.

...............2 minutes was my limit.

96 WriterMom  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 10:39:49am

re: #90 logboy

Although I can appreciate where you are coming from-I think your comment is in really poor taste.

97 realwest  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 10:39:59am

Sorry for the re-post (from the Obama talks to Al-Arabyia TV thread) but it seems appropriate here:

I wish, just for once, that SOMEONE whom Obama will actually listen to, would tell him he is the President of the United States of America, not of the World. His job is to look out for the best interests of America, not the best interests of any other nation unless those interests coincide with the United States' interests (like say, Israel - a democratic government which has gone SO FAR out of it's way with its ACTIONS to make peace with the Muslim World, that it has jeopardized the safety of IT'S citizens).
Don't bother with talking the talk, Mr. President, just Walk the Walk.

98 DisturbedEma  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 10:40:05am

re: #85 smokefire

................I can no sooner disown my newpastor, then I can my grandmother.

even though she was a racist. . .

99 [deleted]  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 10:40:17am
100 Killgore Trout  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 10:40:17am

re: #84 Sharmuta

The video doesn't get truly outrageous until about 7:00.

101 CyanSnowHawk  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 10:40:31am

re: #62 Ojoe

Pornography is a minor sin compared to this

Porn for all its faults, is a reflection of our drive to procreate. I don't understand where videos such as this come from.

102 Sheila Broflovski  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 10:40:35am

At least he admits there was a Holocaust. Is that a step forward?

103 Liechtentrager  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 10:40:37am

“This is what we hope will happen but, Allah willing, at the hands of the Muslims.”

Well, isn't it nice to know the Religion of Peace is all about "hope"!

104 WriterMom  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 10:40:57am

re: #87 taxfreekiller

If every one of us sends it to a few people, or a few journalists or web sites that MAY publicize it-it might have some legs. Maybe.

105 Killgore Trout  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 10:41:03am

re: #92 zombie

He also gets really exited about the Jewish woman kissing a Nazi's hand.

106 Ford_Prefect  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 10:41:13am

re: #96 WriterMom

Although I can appreciate where you are coming from-I think your comment is in really poor taste.

I think he was just missing a sarc tag.

107 ryannon  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 10:41:40am

re: #87 taxfreekiller

Charles

Is there a way this Video thing can be sent to every Congress member and each Senator in D.C.


Ditto.

108 Sharmuta  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 10:41:42am

re: #100 Killgore Trout

I know it has to be bad if you and Charles say it gets bad.

109 WriterMom  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 10:42:03am

re: #74 Golem Akbar

Golem, we already knew that-didnt' we? We know where the Nazi spirits are now.

110 eaglewingz08  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 10:42:09am

How can he wish for 'another holocaust' when he and his ilk claim the first one never occurred. How can Jews and Israelis have any meaningful peace negotiations if this is the hidden agenda behind the other side's position?

111 Ojoe  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 10:42:10am

re: #101 CyanSnowHawk

Well these things are so bad that only the really big explanations will do for me & I would say that these things come from straight from the prince of darkness.

112 MandyManners  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 10:42:24am
113 WriterMom  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 10:42:33am

re: #106 Ford_Prefect

I know-and even as a joke, I think it's just questionable taste.

114 Kragar  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 10:42:57am

re: #92 zombie

From about 8 minutes into the video:

[Showing a skeletal concentration camp victim on the verge of death.]
Imam speaking: "Look at the humiliation on his face. Allah be praised!"

Fucker needs to be taught real humiliation.

115 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 10:43:12am

re: #101 CyanSnowHawk

Porn for all its faults, is a reflection of our drive to procreate. I don't understand where videos such as this come from.

Pr0no is a broken mirror, poorly reflecting our desire for love & beauty. This is an open window to Hell.

116 Opinionated  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 10:43:26am

Not to be picky, but the asshole is even confusing Herzl with Chaim Weizmann.

117 WriterMom  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 10:43:41am

re: #114 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Americans and the Allies know how to humilate evil-they did it in WW2. They need to do it again on the current incarnation of Nazi evil.

118 jwb7605  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 10:43:45am

re: #115 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Pr0no is a broken mirror, poorly reflecting our desire for love & beauty. This is an open window to Hell.

Well phrased. Upding.

119 subsailor68  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 10:43:55am

re: #111 Ojoe

Well these things are so bad that only the really big explanations will do for me & I would say that these things come from straight from the prince of darkness.

I know I've posted this before, but it seems appropriate: the greatest trick the devil ever pulled was to convince the world he doesn't exist.

Oh yes he does.

120 XMarine  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 10:44:08am

I managed to make it through most of this (noun deleted). It is so bad, and contorts the history that is familiar to all but the most mentally challenged to the degree that the slimy spalpeen who narrates it presents himself as a vicious idiot. Perhaps this little clip should get more air time over here to indicate what a pack of poltroons the islamic fundamentalists really are.

121 WriterMom  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 10:44:16am

re: #101 CyanSnowHawk

From a desire to exterminate every living Jew and kafir on the planet.

122 logboy  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 10:44:35am

Why do idiots like Obama (and the rest of the loony left) think they can make people who hate us with every bone in their body, people who would love to see us executed one at a time "in the name of Allah", suddenly like us? How can they be so damn naive? What the hell is wrong with them?

123 winston06  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 10:44:39am

re: #1 Sharmuta

very soon

124 OldLineTexan  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 10:44:44am

re: #117 WriterMom

Americans and the Allies know how to humilate evil-they did it in WW2. They need to do it again on the current incarnation of Nazi evil.

And this degenerate misidentified American soldiers right around 10:25.

125 smokefire  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 10:44:45am

re: #102 Alouette

At least he admits there was a Holocaust. Is that a step forward?

............one step forward, 1000 steps back.

On one hand he wants another Holocaust, on the other he/they deny it, then they charge Israel with perpetrating a Holocause on Gaza.

smokefire runs in circles, and starts to bang head repeatedly into concrete wall

126 [deleted]  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 10:44:54am
127 LGoPs  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 10:45:07am

re: #97 realwest

Sorry for the re-post (from the Obama talks to Al-Arabyia TV thread) but it seems appropriate here:

I wish, just for once, that SOMEONE whom Obama will actually listen to, would tell him he is the President of the United States of America, not of the World. His job is to look out for the best interests of America, not the best interests of any other nation unless those interests coincide with the United States' interests (like say, Israel - a democratic government which has gone SO FAR out of it's way with its ACTIONS to make peace with the Muslim World, that it has jeopardized the safety of IT'S citizens).
Don't bother with talking the talk, Mr. President, just Walk the Walk.

Certainly not an original thought on my part, but I think this is a predictable action for one who has a Messianic complex. He feels impelled to transcend and extend his reach to the world in general. Pretty scary shit.......

128 realwest  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 10:45:21am

re: #86 Golem Akbar
Do you think President Obama knew about this (if not the actual video, then the sentiments behind it) when he gave his interview to Al-Arabyia TV and kept talking about "respect"?

129 Sharmuta  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 10:45:24am

re: #97 realwest

Sorry for the re-post (from the Obama talks to Al-Arabyia TV thread) but it seems appropriate here:

I wish, just for once, that SOMEONE whom Obama will actually listen to, would tell him he is the President of the United States of America, not of the World. His job is to look out for the best interests of America, not the best interests of any other nation unless those interests coincide with the United States' interests (like say, Israel - a democratic government which has gone SO FAR out of it's way with its ACTIONS to make peace with the Muslim World, that it has jeopardized the safety of IT'S citizens).
Don't bother with talking the talk, Mr. President, just Walk the Walk.

He thinks it's his JOB to tell us what the hopes and dreams are of the muslim world! This is a man who took the oath of office TWICE! I'm pretty sure that oath says his JOB is to uphold and defend the Constitution.

130 winston06  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 10:45:29am

The Muslims ran a systematic campaign of Jew cleansing in Southern European states during their reign before the crusades

131 Ojoe  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 10:45:30am

re: #112 MandyManners

OK Mandy, here is another Rx for the hate:
Mountain hermit from Rumania.

132 Cato the Elder  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 10:45:49am

I couldn't watch more than the first 48 seconds; they guy was still talking about Jewish greed. That was enough for me. I refuse to watch images of the innocent dead used as Islamo-porn and incitement.

However, I think this shows how wise it is for Obama to be talking to Muslims directly via al-Arabiya. If he can reach some people and make them understand about America and our commitment to religious freedom and individual rights, it will be a positive thing. With Muslims minds being poisoned daily by filth like this, it is imperative that they at least be given the chance to see another face of the West.

133 zombie  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 10:45:52am

My God, they are using films of the Holocaust as instructional videos for the next Holocaust.

Charles says "this is horrific beyond belief," but even that is underplaying it.

It's not just "horrific," because that can apply to something you observe of which you are not a part.

What this is is terrifying beyond belief, because men like this imam number in the thousands (millions, more likely) and they will most definitely exterminate every Jew from the planet given half a chance. (And derive sexual pleasure from it, judging from his tone of voice.)

And then next will come the infidels. Bank on it.

I didn't think it possible, but my opinion of Islam is now lower than it was before.

I hear exactly NO condemnation of this kind of speech coming from the "moderate Muslims." None.

134 OldLineTexan  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 10:46:08am

re: #126 buzzsawmonkey

It's actually not clear whether that is a Nazi or not. It could well have been a relief worker, given the fact that much of the footage depicts post-liberation cleanup.

The woman's uniform is not clear, and not necessarily German. Furthermore, it is unlikely that there would have been a moment of that sort between a Nazi guard and a camp inmate, while it is indeed likely that there would be such a moment between a liberated inmate receiving food and the relief worker.

Don't forget that the narrator, whether from ignorance or malice, wrongly characterizes American soldiers in the footage as "having been fighting the Jews." He either knows nothing of different helmets and uniforms, or is so firmly in the grip of mad hatred (and so confident that his outrageous historical falsehoods will be believed) that he feels free to make up whatever he wishes.

Probably a Soviet soldier. The Soviet Army was extremely integrated, even between the sexes.

135 subsailor68  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 10:46:09am

re: #128 realwest

Do you think President Obama knew about this (if not the actual video, then the sentiments behind it) when he gave his interview to Al-Arabyia TV and kept talking about "respect"?

Very good point RW. What would be interesting is a compilation video, cutting back and forth between the two.

136 Ford_Prefect  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 10:46:18am

re: #114 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Fucker needs to be taught real humiliation.

Oh, but we can't do that. How would the world view us if we humiliated the murdering, anti-Semitic, pedophile worshiping bastards?

///////

137 Sheila Broflovski  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 10:46:23am

re: #92 zombie

From about 8 minutes into the video:

[Showing a skeletal concentration camp victim on the verge of death.]
Imam speaking: "Look at the humiliation on his face. Allah be praised!"

I had to turn it off at that point.

138 Clio  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 10:46:49am

re: #24 Ojoe

Actually, most "primitive" people -- Pygmies, Bushmen, and others -- are for the most part peaceful, considerate, and good natured.

At least so report the anthropologists who have lived among them.

139 jwb7605  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 10:46:52am

re: #117 WriterMom

Americans and the Allies know how to humilate evil-they did it in WW2. They need to do it again on the current incarnation of Nazi evil.

Won't happen.
This election was a mandate for civility (whatever that means).

Which means we have to set "boundaries". Which means we can't win.

The most recent Batman movie illustrates the concept.

140 opnion  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 10:47:08am

Let me digress just a little. The Last Templar, a two part made for TV movie concluded last night.
Omar Shariff had a part towards the end. I remembered that he was a Christian that became a Muslim convert. All that i could think was WTF!

141 WriterMom  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 10:47:21am

re: #128 realwest

Do you think, even if he saw this particular video that he would care-or change his approach? I actually don't.

142 MandyManners  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 10:47:24am

re: #122 logboy

Why do idiots like Obama (and the rest of the loony left) think they can make people who hate us with every bone in their body, people who would love to see us executed one at a time "in the name of Allah", suddenly like us? How can they be so damn naive? What the hell is wrong with them?

Willful ignorance at one point becomes an endorsement of evil.

143 Ford_Prefect  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 10:47:37am

re: #128 realwest

Do you think President Obama knew about this (if not the actual video, then the sentiments behind it) when he gave his interview to Al-Arabyia TV and kept talking about "respect"?

If he wasn't aware of the sentiment then he has had his head in the sand for a very long time.

144 [deleted]  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 10:47:41am
145 WriterMom  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 10:47:54am

re: #130 winston06

Also in North Africa.

146 SasquatchOnSteroids  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 10:48:03am

How long until we find out this part of the Curriculum in the Saudi schools here ?

147 OldLineTexan  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 10:48:25am

re: #144 buzzsawmonkey

Good point. There's no reason why some Soviet footage could not have been mixed in with the German and American.

They made a lot of films, too. They were not slouches at propaganda.

148 Golem Akbar  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 10:48:53am

re: #109 WriterMom

Golem, we already knew that-didnt' we? We know where the Nazi spirits are now.


Yes, of course, we did. Others didn't and others will be shocked to learn that such anti-semitism is alive and well and thriving in the ROP. I know you know that.

149 SasquatchOnSteroids  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 10:48:57am

re: #146 SasquatchOnSteroids

How long until we find out this IS part of the Curriculum in the Saudi schools here ?

PIMF

150 ryannon  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 10:49:16am

re: #126 buzzsawmonkey

It's actually not clear whether that is a Nazi or not. It could well have been a relief worker, given the fact that much of the footage depicts post-liberation cleanup.

The woman's uniform is not clear, and not necessarily German. Furthermore, it is unlikely that there would have been a moment of that sort between a Nazi guard and a camp inmate, while it is indeed likely that there would be such a moment between a liberated inmate receiving food and the relief worker.

Don't forget that the narrator, whether from ignorance or malice, wrongly characterizes American soldiers in the footage as "having been fighting the Jews." He either knows nothing of different helmets and uniforms, or is so firmly in the grip of mad hatred (and so confident that his outrageous historical falsehoods will be believed) that he feels free to make up whatever he wishes.

Often as not, the liberated prisoners lynched the Kapos and guards.

Rough justice, but justice just the same.

151 akak  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 10:50:03am

re: #149 SasquatchOnSteroids

PIMF

We don't know that yet?

152 Opinionated  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 10:50:07am

I need a scorecard to know on what days we are to believe the Holocaust didn't happens and the Jews are liars as Allah says and those days when the Holocaust did happened and praise be to Allah for the dead Jews.

153 CyanSnowHawk  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 10:50:41am

re: #121 WriterMom

From a desire to exterminate every living Jew and kafir on the planet.

That is what I don't understand. Where this desire comes from.

154 ryannon  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 10:50:42am

re: #133 zombie

My God, they are using films of the Holocaust as instructional videos for the next Holocaust.

Charles says "this is horrific beyond belief," but even that is underplaying it.

It's not just "horrific," because that can apply to something you observe of which you are not a part.

What this is is terrifying beyond belief, because men like this imam number in the thousands (millions, more likely) and they will most definitely exterminate every Jew from the planet given half a chance. (And derive sexual pleasure from it, judging from his tone of voice.)

And then next will come the infidels. Bank on it.

I didn't think it possible, but my opinion of Islam is now lower than it was before.

I hear exactly NO condemnation of this kind of speech coming from the "moderate Muslims." None.

What moderate Muslims?

Where are they?

Who are they?

155 David IV of Georgia  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 10:50:52am

re: #71 Ojoe

I have heard that too, from my evangelical Christian friends. Ask an evangelical, you will get some sources.

I don't want to say too much about this, but the person who shared this information would have access to actual records, nor mere word of mouth.

156 realwest  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 10:50:57am

re: #104 WriterMom
How's about we all hit the "share" button and report this to whichever and all of the groups with whom you can share it?Although I also like TFK's approach, too.

157 Golem Akbar  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 10:51:17am

MEMRI is shining a light on a real problem and Mr. Obama will have to face this harsh reality, sooner or later. I'm going to give him credit for wanting to do something about it, because I believe he is sincere in what he said (wanting to help Israel). And I do vehemently disagree with his methods.

158 Sharmuta  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 10:51:20am

re: #3 buzzsawmonkey

This would take a great deal of money--but word has it that there are some wealthy people of conservative bent in this country.

They're busy pushing creationism into public school classrooms. They know who the real enemy is- Darwin.

/Wish it was sarcasm

159 Honorary Yooper  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 10:52:10am

re: #122 logboy

Why do idiots like Obama (and the rest of the loony left) think they can make people who hate us with every bone in their body, people who would love to see us executed one at a time "in the name of Allah", suddenly like us? How can they be so damn naive? What the hell is wrong with them?

The Left, the socialists and communists, believe that all humanity is one, and the divisions are based purely on class and socio-economic struggles. They fail to see that humanity is divided on tribal and religious grounds rather than socio-economic grounds. They think that these are little more than misguided proletariats. The Islamo-fascists understand as well as we do that this is about religious and tribal divisions. The socialists and communists will never see it that way as it does not fit their paradigm which is defined by Karl Marx, Vladimir Lenin, and Antonio Gramsci. That's what is wrong with the Left and why they never will see what is right in front of their faces.

160 Ojoe  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 10:52:14am

re: #155 David IV of Georgia

Some people's faith just has to be way way stronger than mine.

161 Ojoe  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 10:52:32am

BBL

162 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 10:52:49am

re: #146 SasquatchOnSteroids

How long until we find out this part of the Curriculum in the Saudi schools here ?

Too late.

163 pygmalienation  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 10:52:59am

Sick disgusting bastard-- he's probably having an orgasm watching this-- his favorite type of p0rn. Anything else I would add would only get me banned.
Piss on him, on second thought, he's not even worth that.

164 Natasha  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 10:53:02am

I wonder what our precious homegrown leftists will say about this... Actually, I don't. I know what side they are on.

165 Golem Akbar  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 10:53:34am

re: #154 ryannon

What moderate Muslims?

Where are they?

Who are they?


They do exist and they are afraid to speak up. This video (and those like it) need to be broadcast in every media outlet, everywhere.

166 Opinionated  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 10:53:41am

re: #157 Golem Akbar

Mr. Obama will have to face this harsh reality

He never heard what Rev Wright had to say and he was sitting right there- for years- why would he acknowledge what this guy is saying.

167 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 10:54:04am

re: #154 ryannon

What moderate Muslims?

Where are they?

Who are they?

You mean the heretics? They're hiding; if they speak up, they'll find out what that room in the basement of their Saudi-funded mosque, the soundproofed one, is for.
/

168 David IV of Georgia  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 10:54:05am

re: #160 Ojoe

Some people's faith just has to be way way stronger than mine.

Your faith only has to be strong enough for today, not tomorrow.

169 faraway  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 10:54:12am

"These are corpses. allah be praised."

This must be one of the moderates obama was just talking about.

170 capitalist piglet  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 10:54:53am

re: #58 subsailor68

I'm sorry. I watched about four minutes of this. There's only one term that describes it.

Pornography.

It was quite obviously pornography for this monster. The way he prodded his viewers to "Watch!" the images of horrific brutality toward Jews was one of the sickest things I have ever seen in my life.

He clearly enjoyed it, the sick f___.

171 [deleted]  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 10:55:06am
172 MandyManners  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 10:55:06am

re: #153 CyanSnowHawk

That is what I don't understand. Where this desire comes from.

Satan.

173 [deleted]  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 10:55:12am
174 ryannon  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 10:55:31am

re: #165 Golem Akbar

They do exist and they are afraid to speak up. This video (and those like it) need to be broadcast in every media outlet, everywhere.

Good luck with that.

I doubt that it will even be picked up by Pajamas Media.

Maybe post it on Kos - rub their dumb little noses in it.

175 Ford_Prefect  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 10:55:40am

I am off to buy some drugs (cold medicine) and then go lay on the couch for the next day or two. Later Lizards!

176 MandyManners  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 10:55:54am

re: #171 ploome hineni

muslims see that as the absence of committment to religion, and a area to place the wedge of islam

individual freedom is death in islamic lands, muslims see individual freedom as treason and fitna

Islam is Marxism on blotter acid.

177 Golem Akbar  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 10:55:54am

re: #164 Natasha

I wonder what our precious homegrown leftists will say about this... Actually, I don't. I know what side they are on.

I'm giving them credit for not sharing those views. They think they can stop it with their views. Yes, they are fooling themselves, but let's not forget that the left did fight the Nazis in WWII. [and I'm no leftist -- at least not anymore]

178 Kragar  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 10:56:10am

re: #154 ryannon

What moderate Muslims?

Where are they?

Who are they?

I believe they are closely related to unicorns.

179 subsailor68  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 10:56:14am

re: #170 capitalist piglet

It was quite obviously pornography for this monster. The way he prodded his viewers to "Watch!" the images of horrific brutality toward Jews was one of the sickest things I have ever seen in my life.

He clearly enjoyed it, the sick f___.

"Monster" is the only appropriate word, and the clear enjoyment he showed was demonic.

180 opnion  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 10:56:31am

re: #169 faraway

"These are corpses. allah be praised."

This must be one of the moderates obama was just talking about.


I am sure that he was just taken out of context.
Didn't ya want to slap that sucker silly?
Although he really is a snappy dresser!

181 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 10:56:39am

With this, and the stuff in the previous thread, I'm going to take a break before I make some comments that would get me banned.

182 transient  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 10:56:39am

There is no point expecting logic or reason from people who believe that their religion, created in the 7th century, goes back to Adam; and that Moses, Abraham, Jesus, etc. were actually Muslims.

If one has not internalized the concept of a linear timeline, one cannot comprehend cause and effect. Reasoning with such individuals is a futile exercise, and woe to the culture or nation that allows its policies to be determined by these individuals.

Likewise, international relations conducted on the (projectional) assumption that these nations understand cause and effect as we do cannot succeed.

183 capitalist piglet  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 10:56:50am

re: #75 gmsc

Another one?!? So, Mr. Cleric, you're admitting the first one happened?

Well, sure, but they brought it on themselves. They oppressed the Germans!

/doineedto?

184 zombie  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 10:57:29am

re: #163 pygmalienation

Sick disgusting bastard-- he's probably having an orgasm watching this-- his favorite type of p0rn.

I totally agree. It is a sexual pathology.

These people are true sadists, in the original sense of the term -- the only way they can experience sexual excitement and pleasure it through either inflicting pain or through observing others suffering.

185 Golem Akbar  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 10:57:32am

re: #174 ryannon

Good luck with that.

I doubt that it will even be picked up by Pajamas Media.

Maybe post it on Kos - rub their dumb little noses in it.

Let's do our part by telling our e-mail buddies about it (I've done that already). It needs to make the rounds.

186 abolitionist  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 10:57:33am

He forgot to mention that the koran was written by juice.

187 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 10:57:39am

I think it's time to get some work done. See y'all on the next open thread.

188 Natasha  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 10:58:03am

re: #176 MandyManners

Islam is Marxism on blotter acid.

And crack.

189 faraway  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 10:58:26am

I would like to know what channel this is on? Who sees this?

190 CyanSnowHawk  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 10:58:42am

re: #172 MandyManners

Satan.

My beliefs do not allow for that. There is only one source of evil like this, and I am the same species. It is frightening.

191 Opinionated  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 10:58:47am

On the subject of Jew haters and the Holocaust, Buchanan has another piece on Israel.

Read it carefully, and you will find subtle and subliminal anti Israel messages in almost every single paragraph by use of very precise wording.

A Bibi-Barack Collision?
by Patrick J. Buchanan

192 subsailor68  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 10:58:54am

re: #184 zombie

I totally agree. It is a sexual pathology.

These people are true sadists, in the original sense of the term -- the only way they can experience sexual excitement and pleasure it through either inflicting pain or through observing others suffering.

Thanks zombie, you said it much better than I.

193 [deleted]  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 10:59:02am
194 [deleted]  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 10:59:11am
195 Golem Akbar  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 10:59:56am

MEMRI videos are priceless. I'm praying for the day when enough people see videos like this and begin to understand the true face of radical Islam, and then have the will to do something about it.

196 bulwrk  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 11:00:52am

Does the IDF have a version of the Foreign Legion that accepts 49 year old Christian white guys?

197 [deleted]  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 11:01:01am
198 realwest  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 11:01:12am

re: #129 Sharmuta Yes, Sharm I agree with what you say. I just wish Obama knew that. And someone, can't remember who - senior moment, sorry - said that his interview was evidence of a "messianic" mind set. And that is scary indeed.

199 MrSilverDragon  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 11:01:27am

Amin Al-Ansari, go [DELETED] your own face.

200 shiplord kirel  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 11:02:03am

"The Germans, of course, were strong..."

We were stronger, still are. Julius Streicher found that out too late. So will this asshat.

201 Outrider  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 11:02:18am

re: #195 Golem Akbar

MEMRI videos are priceless. I'm praying for the day when enough people see videos like this and begin to understand the true face of radical Islam, and then have the will to do something about it.

trouble is there is no venue for them to see these videos unless they actively seek them out to play. There was a time in history where our media would have fulfilled this role.

202 Honorary Yooper  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 11:02:38am

re: #191 Opinionated

On the subject of Jew haters and the Holocaust, Buchanan has another piece on Israel.

Read it carefully, and you will find subtle and subliminal anti Israel messages in almost every single paragraph by use of very precise wording.

A Bibi-Barack Collision?
by Patrick J. Buchanan

I'm reading it via Townhall, and it is disgusting how Buchanan tosses the anti-Israel messages into it. He's not even trying to hide them, they're pretty blatent to me.

A thread?

203 Killgore Trout  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 11:02:51am

re: #126 buzzsawmonkey

She might have been begging for mercy.

204 zombie  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 11:02:51am

re: #193 buzzsawmonkey

Agree totally. Especially hilarious was when he said "These are German soldiers, looking at the humiliated dead Jews who only a short time beofre had been fighting them." Then the camera pans to show several American soldiers (who obviousluy had just liberated a camp), including an African-American soldier.

You'd think alarm bells would go off in a few viewers: "I didn't know there were black Nazis!"

205 Sheila Broflovski  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 11:03:10am

re: #153 CyanSnowHawk

That is what I don't understand. Where this desire comes from.

It comes from Satan, in whose image they are created.

206 avanti  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 11:03:15am

re: #195 Golem Akbar

MEMRI videos are priceless. I'm praying for the day when enough people see videos like this and begin to understand the true face of radical Islam, and then have the will to do something about it.

How could anyone not agree with that. He is a clueless idiot and only deserves one, horny, male camel when he meets his maker.

207 OldLineTexan  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 11:03:27am

re: #204 zombie

Agree totally. Especially hilarious was when he said "These are German soldiers, looking at the humiliated dead Jews who only a short time beofre had been fighting them." Then the camera pans to show several American soldiers (who obviousluy had just liberated a camp), including an African-American soldier.

You'd think alarm bells would go off in a few viewers: "I didn't know there were black Nazis!"

All I had to see were the helmets. I have seen that footage before.

208 [deleted]  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 11:03:37am
209 subsailor68  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 11:03:58am

re: #204 zombie

Agree totally. Especially hilarious was when he said "These are German soldiers, looking at the humiliated dead Jews who only a short time beofre had been fighting them." Then the camera pans to show several American soldiers (who obviousluy had just liberated a camp), including an African-American soldier.

You'd think alarm bells would go off in a few viewers: "I didn't know there were black Nazis!"

Guess he was confusing them with the Blackshirts.

210 realwest  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 11:04:13am

re: #185 Golem Akbar I would STRONGLY suggest that we all (I already have, btw) use the share button at the top of the page before the comments begin, to spread the word about this disgusting, vile, filthy sadomasochistic porn.

211 monkeytime  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 11:04:17am

I'm going to be sick.

212 Golem Akbar  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 11:04:30am

re: #201 Outrider

trouble is there is no venue for them to see these videos unless they actively seek them out to play. There was a time in history where our media would have fulfilled this role.

You can forward the video to those you know who will understand and can emotionally handle it. Some can't, of course.

213 Dianna  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 11:04:45am

re: #203 Killgore Trout

She might have been begging for mercy.

That wasn't a German uniform.

And I'm pretty sure that film is from the liberation.

214 reine.de.tout  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 11:05:03am

Horrible, horrible, horrible.

These events must not ever be forgotten; I hate to say these pictures must be shown, but they must be - no sane person can look at that and feel anything but the deepest revulsion, unlike the character narrating this video, who cannot be either human or sane.

215 Cato the Elder  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 11:05:53am

re: #133 zombie

My God, they are using films of the Holocaust as instructional videos for the next Holocaust.

Charles says "this is horrific beyond belief," but even that is underplaying it.

It's not just "horrific," because that can apply to something you observe of which you are not a part.

What this is is terrifying beyond belief, because men like this imam number in the thousands (millions, more likely) and they will most definitely exterminate every Jew from the planet given half a chance. (And derive sexual pleasure from it, judging from his tone of voice.)

And then next will come the infidels. Bank on it.

I didn't think it possible, but my opinion of Islam is now lower than it was before.

I hear exactly NO condemnation of this kind of speech coming from the "moderate Muslims." None.

Very good points, but I have a question: Have you shown this or similar videos to "moderate Muslims"? My guess would be that they would avoid watching such filth. If they haven't seen it, how can they condemn it?

It would be interesting to send copies of this to various non-Wahhabi mosques and ask for a reaction. I know you're talking about spontaneous condemnation, but let's be honest: How many non-racists take the time to denounce the utter filth that's out there about black people? The other day I was on a discussion board and some ranting idiot came on with "sick of n****rs? visit rantingidiots.com" (I won't post the real link here, they don't deserve the traffic). Stupid me, I went there and was shocked! And it takes a lot to shock me. But did I do anything about it? Do others? What about the radio and TV spots and websites featuring David Duke and worse? Do you see mass protests from right-thinking white people?

My point is that even if they saw this, which is unlikely, since they wouldn't be prone to watching such broadcasts, the reaction of "moderate Muslims" will likely be the same as ours: Turn away in disgust. Talk about it among your friends, or on a chatboard, or the like.

We should try to get the governments responsible to shut this stuff down, and we should try to get Muslims involved in the effort. What we should not do is take the existence of this ordure as evidence that moderate Muslims do not exist.

216 capitalist piglet  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 11:06:05am

There were things in the videos he showed (and clearly got off on) that I had never seen, and never heard about, and I have a more-than-average interest in WWII history.

My anger at this moment is white hot.

217 Dianna  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 11:06:05am

re: #207 OldLineTexan

All I had to see were the helmets. I have seen that footage before.

I believe parts of this were from the long section on the Holocaust from The World at War.

218 Golem Akbar  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 11:06:43am

re: #210 realwest

I would STRONGLY suggest that we all (I already have, btw) use the share button at the top of the page before the comments begin, to spread the word about this disgusting, vile, filthy sadomasochistic porn.


UPDING city!

219 shiplord kirel  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 11:06:53am

When Iran uses its nuke (possibly by the end of this year, according to the Institute for Strategic Studies), Israel will naturally turn Iran and the Hezbollah country into smoking holes.
At the same time, they should individually target pigs like this throughout the world, destroy ALL of them their missiles, commandos, agents, and bombs can reach.

220 Natasha  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 11:07:18am

I couldn't watch the whole thing. Made me want to throw my computer across the room. There is evil, pure, uncovered evil, staring people right in the face, yet so many refuse to acknowledge it. It is infuriating.

221 Opinionated  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 11:07:26am

re: #202 Honorary Yooper

I'm reading it via Townhall, and it is disgusting how Buchanan tosses the anti-Israel messages into it. He's not even trying to hide them, they're pretty blatent to me.

A thread?

You may be more astute then the casual reader. I doubt many get the subtlty in this, for example:

Moreover, the Americans, persuaded to send Marines to train the Lebanese Army, were punished with terrorist bombings of the U.S. embassy and Marine barracks at Beirut airport, with 241 U.S. dead.

222 [deleted]  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 11:07:55am
223 JacksonTn  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 11:07:57am

When will the muslims in this country stand up against this garbage ...until they do ...they condone it ...where are the marches by muslims in this country against this ... where? ... people say all muslims do not feel this way ... then when will they stand up and speak out against it ...

224 Golem Akbar  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 11:08:15am

re: #216 capitalist piglet

There were things in the videos he showed (and clearly got off on) that I had never seen, and never heard about, and I have a more-than-average interest in WWII history.

My anger at this moment is white hot.


Righteous indignation! Many people need to see this. We ought to cause an avalanche of viewers, if possible. It can only help.

225 [deleted]  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 11:08:39am
226 realwest  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 11:09:00am

re: #215 Cato the Elder
Hi Cato! For the third time in this thread, I suggest that we ALL use the "share" button Charles has provided at the top of the comments and Digg it or whatever venue(s) of your choice might be.
Not saying this is necessarily the way to reach moderate muslims (and yes they do exist) but it's still a way to get the word out about this filth.

227 David IV of Georgia  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 11:09:03am

Al-Kalb's flow of 'logic' leading to the 'deduction' that Jews should die seems to follow the same misguided and twisted logic the Communists use to 'prove' that communism is the best and highest good for mankind:

Start with a few disjointed bits of history and tie them together with some compelling half-truths creating a lie that appears to be based upon truth. Then based upon this beginning, tie a few major events in history to the first lie and disregard or dismiss any other explanations to create the great lie. The great lie now appears to be based upon momentous events in history and indisputable facts. But it is just a lie.

228 Confuzed  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 11:09:31am

When will the world realize that Hitler was a great man according to many Muslims?
His Mein Kampf remains a best-seller in Arab countries.

Why people don't disassociate themselves with others who hold Hitler up as a role model is beyond comprehension.

229 Cato the Elder  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 11:09:48am

re: #171 ploome hineni

muslims see that as the absence of committment to religion, and a area to place the wedge of islam

individual freedom is death in islamic lands, muslims see individual freedom as treason and fitna

Some Muslims do, yes. By no means all. It is the others that Obama is trying to reach. To do that is not stupid; it is smart.

Reports from Iran suggest that discontent with the mullah regime is boiling hard just below the surface. Should we write those people off (most of them young, most of them fed up to the teeth with political Islam)? I think we should try to encourage them.

230 Golem Akbar  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 11:10:02am

re: #223 JacksonTn

When will the muslims in this country stand up against this garbage ...until they do ...they condone it ...where are the marches by muslims in this country against this ... where? ... people say all muslims do not feel this way ... then when will they stand up and speak out against it ...


Naturally. Silence is consent. Which is why their silence after 9/11 was so horrifying.

231 transient  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 11:10:55am

re: #197 ploome hineni

waitaminit........they actually believe that every baby born is muslim, and their parents force them to become Christian or JEw or whatever

The prophets were given the "true religion" i.e., Islam, but the Jews and Christians perverted it.

And when you convert to Islam, you are reverting to what I suppose they consider the "chthonic religion."

(I'm not sure how pagans relate to this construct.)

Just one more element of cognitive dissonance in the intellectual chaos of Islam.

232 Ben Hur  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 11:11:06am

re: #3 buzzsawmonkey

Post 9-11 American MSM needs an "Arab Affairs Desk" like every news channel has in Israel.

The "Let's see what they're saying in the Arab world" type segments are insane.

There (Israel) they know about it.

Here, not so much - until Israel acts, then it's all retroactive PR.

233 Golem Akbar  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 11:11:12am

re: #228 Confuzed

When will the world realize that Hitler was a great man according to many Muslims?
His Mein Kampf remains a best-seller in Arab countries.

Why people don't disassociate themselves with others who hold Hitler up as a role model is beyond comprehension.


The Protocols of the Elders of Zion is also a hit in Muslim lands.

234 Son of the Black Dog  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 11:11:20am

re: #177 Golem Akbar

I'm giving them credit for not sharing those views. They think they can stop it with their views. Yes, they are fooling themselves, but let's not forget that the left did fight the Nazis in WWII. [and I'm no leftist -- at least not anymore]

The American left actively opposed US involvement in WWII until Hitler invaded Russia. Overnight they became fervent supporters of American intervention on the side of the Allies (e.g., the Soviets and only incidentally the British). Those were their instructions from Moscow.

235 LGoPs  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 11:11:32am

re: #198 realwest

Was that me in # 127 or maybe you were referencing someone from the TV. Like I said, I'm sure I wasn't stating an original thought......

236 opnion  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 11:11:38am

The question is , would ordinary Muslims be outraged by this film or would they at some level approve?

237 [deleted]  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 11:11:56am
238 Ben Hur  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 11:12:18am

Does anyone else think this video will back-fire?

After telling people that no Holocaust happened, then showing piles and piles of corpes, may cause a twinge of sympathy and understanding?

239 Dainn  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 11:12:45am

It is things like this that make us acutely aware what we are fighting against, and the costs of failure.

240 Ayatollah Ghilmeini  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 11:12:55am

I see this and think only one thing: Praise the Creator for Israel! Every day Israel exists, everything this guy stands for is in mortal danger. It takes only one child to point out he is wrong about everything. Look at this colossal ignoramus. His basic facts and history are so far off it would take 2 lifetimes to reprogram himself right. Even sadder is he must be dealing with an audience of the ignorant because any informed society would run this clown out of town. In Egypt, he is a respected religious authority. He makes Fred Phelps seem moderate, learned and grounded. Fred has to disrupt the funerals of heroes to get any attention; Amin is a welcome informed commentator.

He does not even know the images on screen belie what he is saying or that anyone familiar with WWII history would be able to tell anyone who cared to listen that Germany's cities were turned to rubble AFTER 4 million of Europe's Jews were dead.

This guy and Archbishop Williamson should just get a room together and do sick twisted things while watching Elsa, She Bitch of the Gestapo.

Did I mention I own a gun?

241 avanti  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 11:13:07am

Well, at least one radical is going downhill.
Al-Sadr

242 caligal  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 11:13:18am

this propaganda is disgusting. does anyone know when this commentary was done? recently?

243 Killgore Trout  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 11:13:20am

re: #222 buzzsawmonkey

There are very few images of the camps from when they were under Nazi rule, except for the films documenting "medical experiments" and the Potemkin Village films of Terezin; there are lots of images of the camps following their liberation.


Good point.

244 Killgore Trout  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 11:13:46am

re: #242 caligal

Over the weekend.

245 Ben Hur  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 11:13:47am

Chances are that this "cleric" is a high-school drop out, who ended up in the Muslim Brotherhood's YMCA.

246 LGoPs  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 11:13:52am

re: #223 JacksonTn

When will the muslims in this country stand up against this garbage ...until they do ...they condone it ...where are the marches by muslims in this country against this ... where? ... people say all muslims do not feel this way ... then when will they stand up and speak out against it ...

the silence is deafening..........and where I come from silence is consent.
bastards.

247 newsjunkie_ky  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 11:13:53am

Rush is talking about the stimulus package. 1/3 is for new government. and $200 million to Mall of America of which $21 million for SOD!

248 Sharmuta  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 11:14:13am

At this moment, I'm just as disgusted with members of the so-called right who think we're all somehow on the same team. People whose solution is to make pacts with the spawn of the very nazis who gave us the Holocaust in the first place. And others who want to destroy science and send us into the backwards culture of the barbarians calling for a second Holocaust. It makes me sick to think of those who want to claim to be on my side, but in reality only help our enemies. F*ck 'em all.

249 gmsc  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 11:14:16am

Car Wreck

People debate the government "rescue" of the American car industry. It's no debate. Nobody ever questions the premise that government even CAN "save" the car industry, much less should even try.

Here's what General Motors Vice Chairman Bob Lutz recently had to say on the subject of government intervention in the auto industry: "With fuel prices declining, government mandates that auto makers build highly fuel-efficient cars will be no more effective than combating obesity by forcing clothing manufacturers to make only small sizes. It puts us in the industry in the position where we are at war with the customer."

Actually, so does ALL government intervention in the economy. Government intervention in the economy starts with government subsidy of what was once a private industry. Government is in the process of taking over both banking and automobiles. Health care is soon to follow. Government uses force and coercion to replace shopping on the part of the consumer. Government makes choices FOR the customer. Mixing government and economy is like mixing government and religion, or government and journalism. There is one size fits all--regardless of what makes rational sense, and regardless of what individuals want.

I don't believe that most Americans are ready for this or want this. Yet this is what they're about to get. Let's see how well it works out for those who currently want to "give the new President" a chance.

250 faraway  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 11:14:25am

re: #223 JacksonTn

When will the muslims in this country stand up against this garbage ...until they do ...they condone it ...where are the marches by muslims in this country against this ... where? ... people say all muslims do not feel this way ... then when will they stand up and speak out against it ...

Bingo. It's because there are no moderates. Ok, I have seen 3 or 4.

251 David IV of Georgia  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 11:14:42am

re: #193 buzzsawmonkey

I hadn't read your post about his lying when I wrote what I said in #227. Seems we thought the same thing.

252 capitalist piglet  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 11:14:49am

re: #238 Ben Hur

Does anyone else think this video will back-fire?

After telling people that no Holocaust happened, then showing piles and piles of corpes, may cause a twinge of sympathy and understanding?

This is the same culture that can blame the Jews for the WTC collapse, and take credit for the attack at the same time. There are no limits to the lies they can tell themselves about Jews, as far as I can tell.

253 reine.de.tout  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 11:14:56am

re: #236 opnion

The question is , would ordinary Muslims be outraged by this film or would they at some level approve?

It would indeed be interesting to know which way they would go.

No reasonable, rational, sane person can look at those photos and video of those dead bodies, and the walking skeletons we just saw, being treated with such utter contempt and disrespect, and not feel complete revulsion followed by a committment that this must never happen again.

So yes, indeed, it would be most interesting to know how an "ordinary" muslim would react to this.

254 Ben Hur  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 11:15:03am

And remember, Lizards.

This is YOUR tax dollars at work.

255 [deleted]  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 11:15:07am
256 Golem Akbar  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 11:15:18am

re: #234 Son of the Black Dog

The American left actively opposed US involvement in WWII until Hitler invaded Russia. Overnight they became fervent supporters of American intervention on the side of the Allies (e.g., the Soviets and only incidentally the British). Those were their instructions from Moscow.


The Communists were on the fence until Hitler invaded Russia, but many more lefty-liberals in the US were anti-Nazi. My (Jewish, obviously) family pre-WWII was very liberal and very anti-Nazi, and believed then that only liberals were sufficiently anti-Nazi. [I'm a boomer baby, and this was told to me by my elders] Many liberals today consider themselves anti-fascist, and a video such as this could be a cold-shower wake up call.

257 MandyManners  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 11:15:42am

Someone send this to George Mitchell to show him that this is not Catholic v. Protestant.

258 [deleted]  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 11:15:43am
259 Ron Shaw  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 11:16:01am

re: #2 Kosh's Shadow

These are the people our president reached out to last night.
Is he stupid or evil? You decide.

Maybe both.

That Egyptian cleric is vile and strikingly stupid! If he relocated, he could probably easily win a US Senate or House seat, as a Democrat of course, from more than a few wacky states to our north, west and mid-west.

The 'firsts' for President Obama are very telling. Without doubt, these 'firsts' will embolden our terrorist enemies. Time after time history has taught most of us this truism. Democrats seem to have no respect or knowledge of the history they have written. Obama is either a fool, an idiot or a man on a personal mission for that and those which he holds dear...our enemies!

260 caligal  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 11:16:02am

re: #247 newsjunkie_ky

to replace the sod that was trampled last week? ( I know, it is winter)

261 Ben Hur  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 11:16:30am

Hey, there is a silver lining.

Abbas doesn't agree with this guy.

262 WriterMom  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 11:16:44am

re: #246 LGoPs

silence is consent

That's why we need to make noise.

263 [deleted]  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 11:16:57am
264 WriterMom  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 11:17:04am

re: #261 Ben Hur

[WHACK]

This is Abbas' dissertation.

265 mfarmer1  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 11:17:33am

This is what a degree in Islamic Studies gets you I suppose. There are no words for this. Beyond that, this primitive didn't even know what he was actually seeing in those movies based on his commentary. That bogus pistachio story at the end typifies what passes as critical thinking in the Islamic world. There is no hope for these people. Perpetual humiliation (since they're so big on that) is their natural state and shall always be as long as Islam continues in its present form.

266 bulwrk  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 11:17:35am

Its only a matter of time before some cleric hypothesizes that Hitler was sent by the prophet to do allah's work.

267 BatGuano  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 11:18:14am

The Arab world is sicker than the NAZIS! Sicker than I thought possible from even the most rabid antisemitic. I would like to know if our new president has seen this and, if so, did it affect his most recent statements on Al Arabiya (not looking up the spelling)?

268 Golem Akbar  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 11:18:46am

re: #264 WriterMom

[WHACK]

This is Abbas' dissertation.


I thought Abbas said that the holocaust didn't happen. But then again, he'd still like another way, either way. [death to Israel is the watchword of Fatah]

269 Charles Johnson  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 11:18:48am

re: #242 caligal

this propaganda is disgusting. does anyone know when this commentary was done? recently?

It was shown yesterday on Egyptian television.

270 subsailor68  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 11:19:00am

re: #249 gmsc

Good post. Remember price setting under NRA during the Roosevelt administration (first IIRC)? It was a disaster. Tom Sowell, Walter Williams, and other economists get it right when they say that no government can possibly understand, much less control, the millions and millions of individual decisions that drive an economy.

And yet, Obama wants to "try it again".

271 WriterMom  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 11:19:06am

As zombie said-there are some very serious sexual pathologies at work here-not just in this video of course-it's a generalized issue that we can see in many other areas of Islamic culture. A culture that has healthy attitudes toward human life, procreation, sexuality and children rejects this barbarism.

272 Natasha  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 11:19:34am

re: #266 bulwrk

Its only a matter of time before some cleric hypothesizes that Hitler was sent by the prophet to do allah's work.

I would not be surprised int he slightest.

273 Racer X  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 11:19:35am

Hey Sean Hannity! Feel free to report this on your show. A hat tip for Charles would be nice too.

274 Ben Hur  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 11:19:42am

re: #264 WriterMom

[WHACK]

This is Abbas' dissertation.

No.

Abbas' dissertation is that this did not happen.

275 Golem Akbar  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 11:19:52am

re: #269 Charles

It was shown yesterday on Egyptian television.


Thank you for posting it, here. Very important.

276 WriterMom  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 11:20:13am

re: #274 Ben Hur

No-it's that the Holocaust didn't happen, but he'd like to do it better this time around.

277 [deleted]  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 11:20:18am
278 MandyManners  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 11:20:21am

re: #269 Charles

It was shown yesterday on Egyptian television.

Just shown as is with no condemnation?

279 realwest  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 11:20:40am

re: #141 WriterMom
Wow - sorry for being so late here but this thread is really moving along.
I just don't know. I don't like Obama. I don't respect
Obama. But I still have a difficult time thinking that he could see this video and not have a STRONG negative reaction, we way we are.
I mean I do believe that Evil exists - just don't think (or hope) Obama is the personification of it.

280 MandyManners  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 11:20:51am

re: #277 buzzsawmonkey

...but should happen again.

Pretzel logic.

281 Ben Hur  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 11:21:04am

re: #267 BatGuano


State would never let him see it.

They wouldn't let COngress see videos of Egyptian arms smuggling, you think they'll let this one slip by?

282 unreconstructed rebel  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 11:21:24am

What's pathetic is not what these idiots believe. It's that they get airtime.

283 BatGuano  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 11:21:24am

re: #269 Charles

Charles, even the NAZIS did not advertise what they were doing! This was on television, yesterday?!

284 VioletTiger  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 11:21:51am

re: #238 Ben Hur

Does anyone else think this video will back-fire?

After telling people that no Holocaust happened, then showing piles and piles of corpes, may cause a twinge of sympathy and understanding?

It is so blatant, but I doubt many will pick up on the irony. They are blinded by hate and have lost the capacity for rational thought.

285 Occasional Reader  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 11:22:06am

re: #267 BatGuano

The Arab world is sicker than the NAZIS!

A defensible statement. Even the Nazis made some attempt to disguise the worst aspects of what they were doing. They did not make inspirational films out of the crematoria (AFAIK).

286 lawhawk  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 11:22:10am

re: #240 Ayatollah Ghilmeini

Sadly, the jihadis could care less about history and that they've got their facts wrong. It was never about the facts. It was about their intentions.

It's what they want to do. It is how they want to accomplish their religious obligations. They consider it their religious obligation to engage in jihad. This mad mullah considers it his religious obligation to engage in genocide, even if it means coopting the imagery of the last Holocaust.

We see this with each and every passing day; Holocaust deniers, anti-Semites, and anti-Israeli leftists proclaiming that they want to see Israel destroyed, wish for the annihilation of Israel, denying that the Holocaust existed, all while claiming that the Jews who came to live in Israel stole the land, engage in rampant human rights abuses, genocide (ed: with an increasing Palestinian population? /don't mention it, the mad mullah's on a roll), all designed to undermine Israel's existence, support for Israel, so that its enemies can dismember it piece by piece.

Not on my watch. Not now. Not ever.

287 LGoPs  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 11:22:14am

re: #249 gmsc

Car Wreck

Here's a bail-out plan: Have Americans buy American cars......
That plan does however imply that the Big 3 are actually making quality cars that the public wants......
But the bottom line is - if the American public can't be convinced to bail-out the industry with their own purchasing decisions, then why the hell does it make sense to bail them out using the taxpayers money.....?

288 transient  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 11:22:14am

re: #236 opnion

The question is , would ordinary Muslims be outraged by this film or would they at some level approve?

Does this guy have a following? That's your answer.

If someone started to rant hatred and genocide as part of a "sermon" in my synagogue, I would walk out. I think most Americans would do likewise. In the Middle East, I think they would either approve or believe they are being educated, having no basis to understand the lies he speaks.

And now many Euro countries are backing away from teaching the Holocaust, so as not to upset their Muslim overlords immigrants. So future generations will have even less of a foundation to understand the truth.

289 Sharmuta  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 11:22:19am

What can Free Men do against such reckless hate?

290 WriterMom  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 11:22:32am

re: #267 BatGuano

I would argue that they are equally barbaric and depraved-they just have different tools at their disposal. The Nazis industrialized the extermination of Jews with the most 'efficient' tools they had at their disposal at the time: bullets, starvation, medical experimentation and gassing. The Islamic Nazis have the same goals-but different weapons and different proximities to Jews: missiles from South Lebanon and Gaza, suicide bombers, knifings, shootings and don't forget nuclear weapons.

291 abolitionist  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 11:22:34am

re: #204 zombie

Agree totally. Especially hilarious was when he said "These are German soldiers, looking at the humiliated dead Jews who only a short time beofre had been fighting them." Then the camera pans to show several American soldiers (who obviousluy had just liberated a camp), including an African-American soldier.

You'd think alarm bells would go off in a few viewers: "I didn't know there were black Nazis!"

I've seen videos made by modern Eurabian nazis who were recycling old material. Many of them emphasized the global diversity and color-blind tolerance of the Third Reich - black nazis, orientals, nazi's from India, Arabia, etc. Real pictures, but false messages. What a crock.

292 CyanSnowHawk  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 11:22:39am

re: #247 newsjunkie_ky

Rush is talking about the stimulus package. 1/3 is for new government. and $200 million to Mall of America of which $21 million for SOD!

I suspect that the company that produces that sod will appreciate it and not have to lay off workers, as will the company hired to install and maintain it.

I have a problem with some of the examples used to show bad spending.

Scarier to me is the 1/3 for new government.

293 Ben Hur  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 11:22:45am

re: #276 WriterMom

Me:

No.

Abbas' dissertation is that this did not happen.

You to me:

No-it's that the Holocaust didn't happen,

ACK!

294 realwest  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 11:22:45am

re: #269 Charles
"It was shown yesterday on Egyptian television."
Just "as is" - no negative comments or lead in to it?

295 Opinionated  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 11:22:55am

re: #269 Charles

It was shown yesterday on Egyptian television.

Where there is State control.

This sort of thing is contrary to the Israeli Egyptian peace treaty, which Jimmy Carter said again yesterday has never been violated by Egypt in any single way.

296 unreconstructed rebel  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 11:23:06am

re: #270 subsailor68

Good post. Remember price setting under NRA during the Roosevelt administration (first IIRC)? It was a disaster. Tom Sowell, Walter Williams, and other economists get it right when they say that no government can possibly understand, much less control, the millions and millions of individual decisions that drive an economy.

And yet, Obama wants to "try it again".

Obama does not have to go back that far to see the negatives. Nixon got burned by price controls too.

297 lawhawk  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 11:23:12am

re: #269 Charles

It was shown yesterday on Egyptian television.

And a fine use of that $1+ billion in US aid as a result of Camp David in 1979 too...

298 capitalist piglet  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 11:23:16am

re: #279 realwest

Wow - sorry for being so late here but this thread is really moving along.
I just don't know. I don't like Obama. I don't respect
Obama. But I still have a difficult time thinking that he could see this video and not have a STRONG negative reaction, we way we are.
I mean I do believe that Evil exists - just don't think (or hope) Obama is the personification of it.

I would hope not, too...but I find it interesting that we don't know.

299 subsailor68  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 11:23:25am

re: #289 Sharmuta

What can Free Men do against such reckless hate?

If it comes to it, what our fathers and grandfathers did.

300 Occasional Reader  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 11:23:41am

re: #266 bulwrk

Its only a matter of time before some cleric hypothesizes that Hitler was sent by the prophet to do allah's work.

This video says more or less just that very thing.

301 tfc3rid  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 11:23:42am

re: #247 newsjunkie_ky

Rush is talking about the stimulus package. 1/3 is for new government. and $200 million to Mall of America of which $21 million for SOD!

the stimulus package is not a stimulus at all... It's the roll up of every single piece of pork barrell spending the Democrats have ever wanted and then some...

It won't do a damn thing but put us deeper and deeper in debt...

302 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 11:24:07am

re: #289 Sharmuta

What can Free Men do against such reckless hate?


We can stand tall and be unified in purpose.

303 realwest  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 11:24:10am

re: #289 Sharmuta
I actually have an answer for that question but don't want to have a comment deleted or my account blocked.

304 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 11:24:11am

re: #229 Cato the Elder

Some Muslims do, yes. By no means all. It is the others that Obama is trying to reach. To do that is not stupid; it is smart.

Reports from Iran suggest that discontent with the mullah regime is boiling hard just below the surface. Should we write those people off (most of them young, most of them fed up to the teeth with political Islam)? I think we should try to encourage them.

If I were them, I wouldn't trust the US for any help or support. Especially with the pronouncements the 0 has made.
Pulling out of Iraq is just one in a long history of the US leaving people it supported to the enemies we were fighting together, from the Bay of Pigs, through Vietnam, Lebanon, etc.

305 [deleted]  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 11:24:37am
306 Opinionated  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 11:24:48am

re: #297 lawhawk

And a fine use of that $1+ billion in US aid as a result of Camp David in 1979 too...

Hey, at least they're not using our money on a Jew eating rabbit, just on a bearded giant rat.

307 subsailor68  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 11:24:50am

re: #296 unreconstructed rebel

Obama does not have to go back that far to see the negatives. Nixon got burned by price controls too.

Extremely good point! Bravo.

308 Blue Pinky  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 11:25:03am

re: #279 realwest

Wow - sorry for being so late here but this thread is really moving along.
I just don't know. I don't like Obama. I don't respect
Obama. But I still have a difficult time thinking that he could see this video and not have a STRONG negative reaction, we way we are.
I mean I do believe that Evil exists - just don't think (or hope) Obama is the personification of it.

I dont think Obama is the devil either, I just think he's hopelessly naive, unrealistic and in way over his head. And that is dangerous. Possibly more dangerous than him being being evil.

309 Natasha  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 11:25:28am

re: #301 tfc3rid

the stimulus package is not a stimulus at all... It's the roll up of every single piece of pork barrell spending the Democrats have ever wanted and then some...

It won't do a damn thing but put us deeper and deeper in debt...

And push us further into socialism. The fascist strain of it, where company owners still nominally "own" their enterprises, but the government in fact controls them.

310 WriterMom  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 11:25:39am

re: #289 Sharmuta

What can we do?

-be informed
-spread the word
-support the forces of good intellectually, morally, financially and physically
-raise moral children
-support our warriors
-never forget
-never surrender
-never dispair

311 SasquatchOnSteroids  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 11:25:43am

re: #266 bulwrk

Its only a matter of time before some cleric hypothesizes that Hitler was sent by the prophet to do allah's work.

I'm sure some of The Grand Muftis' radio broadcasts were along those lines

While in Baghdad, Syria al-Husseini aided the pro-Nazi revolt of 1941. He then spent the rest of World War II as Hitler's special guest in Berlin, advocating the extermination of Jews in radio broadcasts back to the Middle East and recruiting Balkan Muslims for infamous SS "mountain divisions" that tried to wipe out Jewish communities throughout the region.

312 [deleted]  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 11:25:46am
313 Nevergiveup  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 11:26:04am

re: #305 ploome hineni

hey

let's send Egypt more MONEY

But you can bet the ranch we are gonna?

314 Occasional Reader  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 11:26:28am

re: #289 Sharmuta

What can Free Men do against such reckless hate?

Hitler ridiculed the British "a nation of shopkeepers". He later had cause to regret his words, as he discovered what a nation of shopkeepers, sufficiently aroused, can do.

315 subsailor68  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 11:26:31am

re: #309 Natasha

And push us further into socialism. The fascist strain of it, where company owners still nominally "own" their enterprises, but the government in fact controls them.

I'm sure you've probably already read it, but if not, pick up Jonah Goldberg's book "Liberal Fascism". Absolutely fascinating read!

316 bulwrk  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 11:26:49am

And 60 Minutes felt it was more important to run a disgusting hit piece on Israel last Sunday,

317 Oh no...Sand People!  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 11:26:58am
"What did this Theodor Herzl do? He used explosives to build a weapon. He could have invented anything else, something that could have benefit the world."

He makes it sound like Islam hasn't benefited from explosives...

318 J.S.  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 11:27:04am

re: #18 opnion

Yes, it's all about "Common hopes and Common dreams"...(i've forgotten that Shakespearean pun on the word "common.")

319 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 11:27:05am

People like this should not be allowed within 1,000 feet of a child, lest they spread their diseased thinking.

Unfortunately, I think they run the schools.

I do not foresee an end to this problem.

320 [deleted]  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 11:27:10am
321 Occasional Reader  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 11:27:10am

re: #310 WriterMom

-never dispair

-never mispel


[sorry, irresistable]

322 mean Gene  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 11:27:21am

What a disgusting smarmy bastard.
I could only take ~ 5minutes' worth before I lost it.
From now on I will have to refer to any Israeli as a ''saint,'' simply for living nearer these scum than I do and not going murderously insane.
Maybe one day the Israeli people will up and leave that part of the planet.
(Oh, then we'll see the desert bloom, right?)
As it stands now there are very few places on earth at peace and it is all Islam's fault.
I'm making plans to reconnoiter Alaska as a fall back retirement home.

323 CyanSnowHawk  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 11:27:33am

re: #287 LGoPs

Here's a bail-out plan: Have Americans buy American cars......
That plan does however imply that the Big 3 are actually making quality cars that the public wants......
But the bottom line is - if the American public can't be convinced to bail-out the industry with their own purchasing decisions, then why the hell does it make sense to bail them out using the taxpayers money.....?

The big three are making quality cars that Americans want, but they have to charge too much for them. A proper bail out would address the overwhelming power the UAW has over the big three.

324 VioletTiger  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 11:27:43am

This is why the Obama interview is so infuriating. He is trying to placate the same people who are propagating this crap. It weakens us in so many ways.

325 OldLineTexan  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 11:27:43am

re: #296 unreconstructed rebel

Obama does not have to go back that far to see the negatives. Nixon got burned by price controls too.

Nixon was an evil Republican. Everything he did was wrong. We will have to show President Obama a Democrat policy failure.

326 wiffersnapper  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 11:27:47am

I guess he wants to be Pat Buchanan's BFF

327 brakes  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 11:27:57am

This sorry excuse for a human is gloating over pure evil. I can't even comprehend it. I hope he chokes to death over his own bile.

328 faraway  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 11:28:00am

re: #308 Blue Pinky

I dont think Obama is the devil either, I just think he's hopelessly naive, unrealistic and in way over his head. And that is dangerous. Possibly more dangerous than him being being evil.

Obama is not naive. He knows what he's doing.

329 Digital Display  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 11:28:01am

Good Afternoon Lizards!
Hope everyone is OK today?

330 Spare O'Lake  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 11:28:05am

re: #269 Charles

It was shown yesterday on Egyptian television.

Charles, thank you for posting this at LGF.
I have seen the holocaust footage before, but never in the context of an Arab Muslim propoganda film.
The twisted lies and perverse evil of the Arab anti-semitic overlay is absolutely breathtaking.
I wish that the President would watch this film in order to perhaps better appreciate what Israel and the West are up against.

331 Outrider  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 11:28:08am

re: #292 CyanSnowHawk

I suspect that the company that produces that sod will appreciate it and not have to lay off workers, as will the company hired to install and maintain it.

I have a problem with some of the examples used to show bad spending.

Scarier to me is the 1/3 for new government.

I have no problem with the examples used. Does it put money in Americans pockets? Yes. An incredible minority. A miniscule portion of the public. This was supposed to be a stimulus package and it doesn't even come close to returning money to the taxpayer or allowing the taxpayer to keep some more in order to pump in into the economy.

I had the impression there was more than 1/3 for government growth.

332 [deleted]  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 11:28:11am
333 Golem Akbar  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 11:28:13am

re: #279 realwest

Wow - sorry for being so late here but this thread is really moving along.
I just don't know. I don't like Obama. I don't respect
Obama. But I still have a difficult time thinking that he could see this video and not have a STRONG negative reaction, we way we are.
I mean I do believe that Evil exists - just don't think (or hope) Obama is the personification of it.


I'm giving him the benefit of any doubt, and considering that he has good intentions (no matter how misdirected). I really believe the American people wouldn't stand for this pro-holocaust nonsense, and would be very indignant if they saw the video. That's our job, imo.

334 Sheila Broflovski  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 11:28:14am

re: #291 abolitionist

I've seen videos made by modern Eurabian nazis who were recycling old material. Many of them emphasized the global diversity and color-blind tolerance of the Third Reich - black nazis, orientals, nazi's from India, Arabia, etc. Real pictures, but false messages. What a crock.

There really were Muslim nazis.

335 [deleted]  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 11:28:22am
336 MandyManners  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 11:28:23am

re: #305 ploome hineni

hey

let's send Egypt more MONEY

Show this to Biden and he'd wanna' give them $200,000,000.00.

337 Golem Akbar  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 11:28:48am

re: #310 WriterMom

What can we do?

-be informed
-spread the word
-support the forces of good intellectually, morally, financially and physically
-raise moral children
-support our warriors
-never forget
-never surrender
-never dispair


You have a way wit' woids. Amen and Ohmayn.

338 [deleted]  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 11:28:50am
339 Nevergiveup  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 11:29:00am

re: #316 bulwrk

And 60 Minutes felt it was more important to run a disgusting hit piece on Israel last Sunday,

Is that program still on TV. Actually is that network still around?

340 blangwort  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 11:29:22am

We must never forget. And this guy hasn't forgotten. The only problem is that he's remembering the event with fondness and longing to make it happen again.

I wonder if he'd mind having it happen to him and his people? Don't wish anything for your neighbor that you wouldn't want for yourself...

341 Ben Hur  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 11:29:22am

re: #310 WriterMom

What can we do?

-be informed
-spread the word
-support the forces of good intellectually, morally, financially and physically
-raise moral children
-support our warriors
-never forget
-never surrender
-never dispair

Train your children in self-defense and, in future, weapons training.

This kind of shit adds about 40 lbs to my bench.

342 Buck  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 11:29:27am

The video inspired me to create a DailyKos Diary about Holocaust Memorial Day and how no one takes genocide against jews seriously.

When an Egyptian Cleric Justifies The Holocaust and "Hopes It Will Happen Again But, Allah Willing,At The Hand Of Muslims" no one takes him seriously. Even if he able to say these horrible in public, with no one to rebuke him. No one.

When Hamas speaks of genocide being the only "Peace" they want for the middle east no one takes them seriously.

When Iran talks of genocide as being the only possible way to "peace" no one takes them seriously.

Well, someone does, and when they do, they are labeled as Nazis and genocidal.

Please watch the video. Please realize that this was broadcast on regular TV in Egypt, and NO ONE TAKES HIM SERIOUSLY.

343 CLLRusso  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 11:29:35am

re: #289 Sharmuta

What can Free Men do against such reckless hate?

I was considering the wrongness of putting together a hit quad of giant proportions to get them before they get us. Hanging him up by his nads is also appealing. See! Even Christians want to do in these horrible men. And sooner than later we will have to either to save Israel or to save ourselves.

344 CyanSnowHawk  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 11:29:45am

re: #288 transient

Does this guy have a following? That's your answer.

If someone started to rant hatred and genocide as part of a "sermon" in my synagogue, I would walk out. I think most Americans would do likewise. In the Middle East, I think they would either approve or believe they are being educated, having no basis to understand the lies he speaks.

And now many Euro countries are backing away from teaching the Holocaust, so as not to upset their Muslim overlords immigrants. So future generations will have even less of a foundation to understand the truth.

Look at the reaction to the Pope's retraction of the ex-communication of that anti-Semitic Bishop. There is your answer to the reaction of the civilized world to clergy that hate.

345 opnion  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 11:29:56am

re: #253 reine.de.tout

It would indeed be interesting to know which way they would go.

No reasonable, rational, sane person can look at those photos and video of those dead bodies, and the walking skeletons we just saw, being treated with such utter contempt and disrespect, and not feel complete revulsion followed by a committment that this must never happen again.

So yes, indeed, it would be most interesting to know how an "ordinary" muslim would react to this.


I suspect that you are right, many Muslims would be repulsed.
I just wonder what percent would approve.

346 Golem Akbar  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 11:29:58am

re: #339 Nevergiveup

Is that program still on TV. Actually is that network still around?


Hey, the democrats won.

347 avanti  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 11:30:02am

re: #261 Ben Hur

Hey, there is a silver lining.

Abbas doesn't agree with this guy.

Abbas is not a denier, but wrote a book in 1982 claiming the death toll was under 6 million and cited a denier for his opinion. He has back pedaled with this comment

"In response to the revelation of his book, Abbas has stated that at the time of writing “The Other Side” his thinking was influenced by the struggle against Israel and that today he would never make such a statement. In an interview for Haaretz, Abbas said that his work has been misunderstood and that the Holocaust “was a terrible, unforgivable crime against the Jewish nation.”

348 samsgran1948  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 11:30:12am

re: #16 smokefire

..............I am confused.
First they deny that the holocaust happened, now they want another one to occur.

WTF, can't you camel screwers get it straight, or what?

I just finished skimming through a book titled "God Willing", which was about some poor Marine Lt. stuck in Iraq to help train the "New Iraqi Army." He has some very interesting things to say about how Arabs are capable of believing two, three or more opposing things, all at the same time, as a normal part of their mental makeup. (He has some other interesting observations.)

349 unreconstructed rebel  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 11:30:14am

re: #338 Iron Fist

More of Carter's "Legacy". I swear, the man is not going to be content until the USA is a smoking, radioactive ruin. I used to think Carter was well meaning, even if he was wrong most of the time. I no longer think that.

I think he knows exactly what he has been doing, and is doing, and will be doing. The massive negative consequences aren't a mistake. They are his goal.

I have always found Carter to be mean-spirited. He has this kind of "I told you so" look when he talks.

350 Son of the Black Dog  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 11:30:20am

re: #256 Golem Akbar

The Communists were on the fence until Hitler invaded Russia, but many more lefty-liberals in the US were anti-Nazi. My (Jewish, obviously) family pre-WWII was very liberal and very anti-Nazi, and believed then that only liberals were sufficiently anti-Nazi. [I'm a boomer baby, and this was told to me by my elders] Many liberals today consider themselves anti-fascist, and a video such as this could be a cold-shower wake up call.

I was referring to the organized American left, almost all of which were Soviet front organizations. I'm quite sure that there were many liberal individuals who were anti-Nazi. However, per the Verona intercepts, virtually all of the "left", as generally defined, was operating on orders from Moscow, and doing what was best for the Soviets. Until Barbarossa they were against American involvement. After that, pro intervention.

351 Nevergiveup  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 11:30:22am

re: #340 blangwort

We must never forget. And this guy hasn't forgotten. The only problem is that he's remembering the event with fondness and longing to make it happen again.

I wonder if he'd mind having it happen to him and his people? Don't wish anything for your neighbor that you wouldn't want for yourself...

That's the problem. If it would further his ends, he'd probably wouldn't mind.

352 Outrider  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 11:31:10am

re: #304 Kosh's Shadow

If I were them, I wouldn't trust the US for any help or support. Especially with the pronouncements the 0 has made.
Pulling out of Iraq is just one in a long history of the US leaving people it supported to the enemies we were fighting together, from the Bay of Pigs, through Vietnam, Lebanon, etc.

yup. any enemy should know all they have to do is keep us busy until a change of administration by the opposing party in an election.

353 Nevergiveup  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 11:31:24am

re: #346 Golem Akbar

Hey, the democrats won.

I don't look at it that way. I look at it as we lost.

354 blangwort  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 11:31:25am

re: #282 unreconstructed rebel

What's pathetic is not what these idiots believe. It's that they get airtime.

...on government run Television.

355 Creeping Eruption  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 11:31:30am

Speaking of ROP clerics, my local news ticker was saying something about Carter warning of a "Catastrophe" in Israel if it does not form a Palestinian state or some such rubbish. Anyone hear of a new screed from Jimmy the Dhimmi?

356 [deleted]  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 11:31:32am
357 [deleted]  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 11:31:40am
358 Ben Hur  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 11:31:41am

He has a very small penis.

359 Blue Pinky  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 11:32:06am

re: #334 Alouette

There really were Muslim nazis.

Yes, there were.

This guy is certainly not the first RoP cleric to embrace nazism.

360 Golem Akbar  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 11:32:13am

re: #345 opnion

I suspect that you are right, many Muslims would be repulsed.
I just wonder what percent would approve.

The problem (we've said it before) is that too few Muslims speak up against this kind of stuff. Those that do get fatwaded.

361 LGoPs  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 11:32:15am

re: #323 CyanSnowHawk

The big three are making quality cars that Americans want, but they have to charge too much for them. A proper bail out would address the overwhelming power the UAW has over the big three.

I personally didn't see that big a differential in prices - although my example is clearly anecdotal adn not scientific. I recently chose American over Japanese, Quality being equal. the American was actually cheaper.
I agree with you on the debilitating power of the UAW but I think bankruptcy better addresses that. I think a bail-out merely perpetuates all the bad influences the UAW already has.....IMHO

362 VioletTiger  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 11:32:17am

re: #301 tfc3rid

the stimulus package is not a stimulus at all... It's the roll up of every single piece of pork barrell spending the Democrats have ever wanted and then some...

It won't do a damn thing but put us deeper and deeper in debt...


You are spot on. Billions for ACORN, etc, all designed to keep the Dems in power. They are using the crisis to push through every onee of their socialist programs.

I hope the GOP senate can hold out. Even if they lose overall, it will send a message if he gets no GOP votes.

363 [deleted]  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 11:32:28am
364 MandyManners  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 11:32:42am

re: #358 Ben Hur

He has a very small penis.

Good gravy!

Thanks for the laugh.

365 subsailor68  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 11:32:53am

re: #357 ploome hineni

hehehe

I wold attribute that to antisemitism, but then people would call me a paranoid Jew

I'm not Jewish, but there wasn't any other term for that piece. Bob Simon - what was he thinking?

366 Occasional Reader  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 11:32:53am

re: #341 Ben Hur

Train your children in self-defense

Including (but not limited to, by any means) intellectual self-defense. They will be exposed to creeping pseudo-intellectual anti-Semitism at the very least from the moment they enter college.

367 lawhawk  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 11:32:54am

re: #347 avanti

Abu Mazen (Mahmoud Abbas) got a degree in historical revisionism. His "doctoral thesis" was The Other Side: the Secret Relationship Between Nazism and Zionism. The thesis noted that the Holocaust was Zionist fantasy, the fantastic lie that six million Jews were killed.

Yeah, it was just a one-off drop cite.

368 tfc3rid  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 11:32:58am

re: #315 subsailor68

Rush also just played a sound byte from Barney Frank on MSDNC earlier today saying that the fact that another stimulus plan is proposed shows that the Conservative belief systemwhen it comes to the economy just doesn't work.

And there you have it. We MUST try Socialism because anything us is PROVEN not to work!

369 Opinionated  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 11:33:00am

re: #317 Oh no...Sand People!

"What did this Theodor Herzl do? He used explosives to build a weapon. He could have invented anything else, something that could have benefit the world."

It was Chaim Weizmann and what he discovered- industrial fermentation -did benefit the World.

It also helped the British war effort in producing explosives.

370 Opinionated  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 11:34:07am

re: #365 subsailor68

I'm not Jewish, but there wasn't any other term for that piece. Bob Simon - what was he thinking?

Piling on when it's chic

371 LeePro  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 11:34:13am

re: #132 Cato the Elder

I couldn't watch more than the first 48 seconds; they guy was still talking about Jewish greed. That was enough for me. I refuse to watch images of the innocent dead used as Islamo-porn and incitement.

However, I think this shows how wise it is for Obama to be talking to Muslims directly via al-Arabiya. If he can reach some people and make them understand about America and our commitment to religious freedom and individual rights, it will be a positive thing. With Muslims minds being poisoned daily by filth like this, it is imperative that they at least be given the chance to see another face of the West.

Are you blind or just stupid? Or maybe deaf, ignorant, illiterate and completely devoid of heart?

I challenge you to go back and watch at least half of the video. You cannot possibly pass any semblance of intellectual judgment on what is happening here if you [like so many who are, unfortunately, in positions of power within our government] are unwilling to even witness the atrocities committed around the world in the interest of pure unadulterated hate and the desire to destroy freedom and to completely eradicate an entire race of humans from the planet!

372 gmsc  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 11:34:14am

re: #355 Creeping Eruption

Speaking of ROP clerics, my local news ticker was saying something about Carter warning of a "Catastrophe" in Israel if it does not form a Palestinian state or some such rubbish. Anyone hear of a new screed from Jimmy the Dhimmi?

Yep - Here it is!

373 Blue Pinky  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 11:34:18am

re: #328 faraway

Obama is not naive. He knows what he's doing.

With his social agenda, perhaps. With foreign policy? I disagree.

374 MandyManners  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 11:34:19am

re: #367 lawhawk

Abu Mazen (Mahmoud Abbas) got a degree in historical revisionism. His "doctoral thesis" was The Other Side: the Secret Relationship Between Nazism and Zionism. The thesis noted that the Holocaust was Zionist fantasy, the fantastic lie that six million Jews were killed.

Yeah, it was just a one-off drop cite.

For real?

375 baconeatingkaffir  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 11:34:26am

re: #359 Blue Pinky

Yes, there were.

This guy is certainly not the first RoP cleric to embrace nazism.

Yeah and there still are muslim nazis... as if there is a difference in the two. Here in Turkey Mein Kampf is still openly sold and widely read.

376 Natasha  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 11:34:51am

re: #343 CLLRusso

I was considering the wrongness of putting together a hit quad of giant proportions to get them before they get us. Hanging him up by his nads is also appealing. See! Even Christians want to do in these horrible men. And sooner than later we will have to either to save Israel or to save ourselves.

Nads? Good luck finding them! You'll see that the most advanced microscope will not be strong enough for you to locate them. These freaks are crazy, but they are cowardly as well.

377 shiplord kirel  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 11:34:51am

Obama is certainly naive about the traitorous monsters in Congress and his political base, but he is far from being a complete fool:

Gates says missile attacks in Pakistan will continue

"Let me just say, both President Bush and President Obama have made clear that we will go after al Qaeda wherever al Qaeda is. And we will continue to pursue this," Gates said.

Face it, left beasts, you were used like a French whore at a media convention. Stupid hippies.

378 WriterMom  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 11:35:03am

re: #321 Occasional Reader

I saw that after. FACK.

379 OldLineTexan  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 11:35:08am

re: #342 Buck

DHinMI in your comments....he/she/it thinks YOU are usign the Holocaust to make a political point?

Or am I confused?

How could anyone be that stupid?

380 Golem Akbar  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 11:35:09am

re: #350 Son of the Black Dog

I was referring to the organized American left, almost all of which were Soviet front organizations. I'm quite sure that there were many liberal individuals who were anti-Nazi. However, per the Verona intercepts, virtually all of the "left", as generally defined, was operating on orders from Moscow, and doing what was best for the Soviets. Until Barbarossa they were against American involvement. After that, pro intervention.


I know we agree, I just want to be sure to use the right words. There are lots of intelligent liberals around, real thinkers, who are horrified by radical Islam. I want them as allies in the fight, even though I disagree with them on some key points.

381 [deleted]  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 11:35:33am
382 Creeping Eruption  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 11:35:46am

re: #363 buzzsawmonkey

Carter has a new book out, and he's slithering around the country promoting it.

Oh That. I thought this was some new pronouncement from Hamas' elder cheerleader

383 subsailor68  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 11:36:06am

re: #368 tfc3rid

Rush also just played a sound byte from Barney Frank on MSDNC earlier today saying that the fact that another stimulus plan is proposed shows that the Conservative belief systemwhen it comes to the economy just doesn't work.

And there you have it. We MUST try Socialism because anything us is PROVEN not to work!

Wow! My head just exploded. Barney Frank has gone from a clown to something dangerous. Hey, here's something you haven't tried Barney:

Cut corporate income taxes to zero. Hear me, Barn? Zero.
Cut capital gains taxes. (To zero here might be good too.)
Cut income taxes - put money right into people's pockets.

And, oh yeah....CUT SPENDING you mook.

384 unreconstructed rebel  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 11:36:13am

re: #359 Blue Pinky

Yes, there were.


[Video]This guy is certainly not the first RoP cleric to embrace nazism.

I find a lot of parallels between fascism & Islam. Both are statist in their outlook.

385 Occasional Reader  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 11:36:54am

re: #355 Creeping Eruption

Carter warning of a "Catastrophe" in Israel if it does not form a Palestinian state

How many f****ng "Palestinian states" are there supposed to be, anyway? Post-Oslo, there was one; then the Palis themselves got to a-feudin' and a-fightin' and a-defenestratin', and now there are two. We really need three?

386 [deleted]  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 11:37:11am
387 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 11:37:15am

The politics of the jihadis aside, the politics of the Arab governments who vainly try to hold that tiger by the tail aside, I had a much different set of thoughts.

Here is this creature, and he wants to kill me and all Jews. OK. He wants to kill my parents. He wants to kill my brother. He wants to kill my sisters. He wants to kill my niece. He would dance in the streets and pass out sweets upon seeing my mother's corpse desecrated.

He wants to wipe out everything that I am a part of... my people, America and all of Western culture in addition to my Jewish heritage.

We can wax philosophical about the politics of the Middle East. We can become very intellectual about what may have caused such monsters to arise. We can do all of those things, but it is frankly secondary to the fact that he wants my family, my people and my nation obliterated.

We Jews have seen this before. One of my great prides in being American is that my grandparents generation went back to Europe with rifles and killed animals like him.

One of the first things that we must do is get real about it. We have to make ourselves first and then all we speak to understand the facts. In getting properly real with this for myself, I realized that there is a visceral need to simply kill these bastards for the sake of future generations. Everyone here understands that after they turn on the Jews, they come for America. That hits me twice.

I realize very clearly that I am looking at a true enemy. I do not wish to talk. I do not wish to negotiate. I do not wish to do anything counter-productive. Productive is putting a bullet in the heads of monsters like this. That is the second thing we must do.

We need to be real about these animals. They are certainly "real" about us.

388 Occasional Reader  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 11:37:15am

re: #378 WriterMom

I saw that after. FACK.

And just now, you misspelled "fuck".

/ducks

389 Cato the Elder  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 11:37:56am

re: #226 realwest

Hi Cato! For the third time in this thread, I suggest that we ALL use the "share" button Charles has provided at the top of the comments and Digg it or whatever venue(s) of your choice might be.
Not saying this is necessarily the way to reach moderate muslims (and yes they do exist) but it's still a way to get the word out about this filth.

I agree and would only add that we should all try to find a way to forward this to our local, state and national representatives, the Secretary of State, etc. If they are inundated by respectful requests to watch this and asked to respond, it might accomplish something. Preaching to the choir (friends and others who agree with us) won't do much. My easy-on-Islam brother would refuse to watch because he'd say he already knows about these things, and they're just a tiny minority, etc. If politicians' offices are flooded with this, it could make a difference.

Hillary once gave a press conference to condemn the slime that is being taught to Palestinian children. If we could get her (and hopefully Obama) to see this and publicly condemn it...

We won't know if they'll do it until we try. There are numerous Jewish organizations that we could also approach to try and get a regular campaign going.

390 Nevergiveup  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 11:37:57am

re: #382 Creeping Eruption

Oh That. I thought this was some new pronouncement from Hamas' elder cheerleader

Well he did. he basically said that if Israel doesn't do exactly what he tells them, then they are gonna be catastrophic results for Israel.

391 Golem Akbar  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 11:38:13am

re: #384 unreconstructed rebel

I find a lot of parallels between fascism & Islam. Both are statist in their outlook.


For the sake of clarity, and that there may be some lurkers from the MSM, lets' say that there is similarity between fascism and radical Islam. It's really more precise and to the point.

392 Oh no...Sand People!  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 11:38:20am

This filthpig revels in death. He truly does represent Islam.

393 Creeping Eruption  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 11:38:28am

re: #372 gmsc

Yep - Here it is!

Thanks. I see - Same old shit.

394 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 11:38:50am

re: #377 shiplord kirel

Obama is certainly naive about the traitorous monsters in Congress and his political base, but he is far from being a complete fool:

Gates says missile attacks in Pakistan will continue

Face it, left beasts, you were used like a French whore at a media convention. Stupid hippies.

Well, it's no wonder. Islam would be a direct threat to socialism, if other threats were removed.

If O'bambi is going to accomplish his Ayer'an revolution, he can't have Islam in his way.

395 [deleted]  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 11:38:53am
396 MandyManners  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 11:39:02am

re: #381 buzzsawmonkey

That Abbas has a Ph.D in Holocaust denial? Absolutely.

From where?

397 Sharmuta  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 11:39:17am

re: #356 Iron Fist

Why do you ask questions when you already know the answer?

Because- I don't know what hope there is when people on the right want to enable fascists or put their resources to fighting "Darwinism" and the left morally equates these barbarians to freedom fighters as though they were men like our Founders.

398 Ben Hur  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 11:39:43am

re: #347 avanti

Abbas is not a denier, but wrote a book in 1982 claiming the death toll was under 6 million and cited a denier for his opinion. He has back pedaled with this comment

"In response to the revelation of his book, Abbas has stated that at the time of writing “The Other Side” his thinking was influenced by the struggle against Israel and that today he would never make such a statement. In an interview for Haaretz, Abbas said that his work has been misunderstood and that the Holocaust “was a terrible, unforgivable crime against the Jewish nation.”

I am aware of his "revisions" of his positions.

And I question the timing.

Can't have that on the record and visit the White House.

399 subsailor68  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 11:39:44am

re: #396 MandyManners

From where?

If I had to guess...Berkeley?

400 Nevergiveup  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 11:39:51am

re: #395 buzzsawmonkey

"Parallels?" Try working relationship. The Mufti's connection with Hitler is documented upthread.

Egypt and Syria hosted many prominent fleeing Nazis after the war; Alois Brunner was a prominent member of the Syrian government. Nasser was a member of a Nazi group as a young man, before he seized control of Egypt.

So was Sadat.

401 transient  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 11:40:02am

re: #342 Buck

There isn't anything even remotely controversial in your diary, but the comments are gratuitously offensive.

Any request to remember the Holocaust, I suppose, is "political." Jews aren't allowed to remind people, but I suppose antisemites are, in order to diminish the significance.

/If we have to be reminded, it's only to justify our own politics.

402 Honorary Yooper  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 11:40:24am

re: #384 unreconstructed rebel

I find a lot of parallels between fascism & Islam. Both are statist in their outlook.

Fascism, communism, and Islamism are all variants of collectivism. Collectivists want the individual subservient to the tribe at all times, everywhere. The tribe dictates what the individual can do. They oppose individualism. Individualists believe the individual is important, and is more important than the tribe. The individual should choose his/her own destiny regardless of the tribe.

It's an old struggle.

403 LGoPs  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 11:40:36am

re: #388 Occasional Reader

re: #378 WriterMom

I saw that after. FACK.

And just now, you misspelled "fuck".

/ducks

in my opinyun, yer both iliterit.......
:)

404 Opinionated  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 11:41:01am

re: #396 MandyManners

From where?

From the Soviets [read KGB]

405 akak  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 11:41:07am

Acorn getting 4.1 billion?

There goes the next election.

406 subsailor68  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 11:41:24am

re: #405 akak

Acorn getting 4.1 billion?

There goes the next election.

Is there a link?

407 [deleted]  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 11:41:25am
408 Creeping Eruption  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 11:41:27am

re: #390 Nevergiveup

Well he did. he basically said that if Israel doesn't do exactly what he tells them, then they are gonna be catastrophic results for Israel.

I guess that means he switched over from merely being a hamas apologist to being a full member. Wonder if he has one of those green headbands?

409 newsjunkie_ky  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 11:41:29am
410 Sharmuta  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 11:41:34am

Everything President Bush did to try and protect us from these people has been wiped away in a week. I feel ill.

411 [deleted]  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 11:41:59am
412 Son of the Black Dog  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 11:42:01am

re: #289 Sharmuta

What can Free Men do against such reckless hate?

The first thing we need to do is stop thinking of Islam as a religion. It isn't. It is a social-political system legitimized by a thin veneer of religion. And a malignant one, too. Nazi fascism was a malignant social-political system. We fought that. At some point the civilized world will realize the true nature of Islam. Hopefully before it is too late. Only once we stop allowing Islam to masquerade as a religion will we be able to effectively oppose it.

413 lawhawk  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 11:42:33am

re: #388 Occasional Reader

And just now, you misspelled "fuck".

/ducks

Au contraire. Everyone knows that it's either frell or frak. /sheesh!

414 unreconstructed rebel  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 11:42:43am

re: #391 Golem Akbar

For the sake of clarity, and that there may be some lurkers from the MSM, lets' say that there is similarity between fascism and radical Islam. It's really more precise and to the point.

I was thinking about the ummah idea when I said that. True, the radicals seem to want to pursue to the same extremes as the nazis, but I think the philosophical underpinings are there just the same.

415 Occasional Reader  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 11:42:46am

re: #407 buzzsawmonkey

According to Wiki, he got his doctorate from Patrice Lumumba University in Moscow.

Ah, yes. The KGB's Third World Marxist incubator.

416 OldLineTexan  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 11:43:07am

re: #409 newsjunkie_ky

Obama won't compromise on tax cuts

Wish I could move my house a few miles further north and vote for Kevin Brady.

417 Creeping Eruption  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 11:43:21am

re: #407 buzzsawmonkey

According to Wiki, he got his doctorate from Patrice Lumumba University in Moscow.

"The stated purpose of establishing this university was to give young people from Asia, Africa and Latin America, especially from poor families, an opportunity to be educated and to become highly qualified specialists. However it was thought in the Intelligence Community that the University was a front for a KGB Training Facility"

418 akak  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 11:43:32am

re: #406 subsailor68

Is there a link?

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

419 [deleted]  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 11:43:32am
420 Racer X  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 11:43:37am

re: #410 Sharmuta

Everything President Bush did to try and protect us from these people has been wiped away in a week. I feel ill.

Wait til you see what he does next week. Pepto and barf bags will be distributed in the main hall at 3pm today to anyone in need..

421 paybacktime  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 11:43:45am

The real Nakbah for this egyptian nazi scumbag is that the Israelis are NOT the unarmed Jews of WW2 Europe.

My wish for this nazi [bigoted word] is ETERNAL NAKBAH for him and his "tribe".

422 Kenneth  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 11:43:54am

re: #386 Iron Fist

And I knew the 444 Days of Shame was a clusterfuck. Even at the tender age of, what, 9 or 10? I knew what had to be done, and recognized that Carter wasn't doing it.

Even as a lad, you understood what America needed to do was to understand Khomeini & his fanatics & reach out to them. Reach out like this.

423 MJBrutus  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 11:44:03am

So let's see if I got this straight. This rag is hoping for another Holocaust just like the one he denies ever happening?

424 Ben Hur  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 11:44:06am

Who cares.

We're gonners anyway.

Scientists Not So Sure 'Doomsday Machine' Won't Destroy World

Muslims invented the Large Hadron Collider 742 years ago, BTW.

425 BatGuano  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 11:44:07am

I am trying to keep up with the comments on this satan inspired cleric, but they are coming faster than I can read. I must step away from my keyboard and settle down before I say something kinda regrettable.

426 unreconstructed rebel  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 11:44:17am

re: #402 Honorary Yooper

Fascism, communism, and Islamism are all variants of collectivism. Collectivists want the individual subservient to the tribe at all times, everywhere. The tribe dictates what the individual can do. They oppose individualism. Individualists believe the individual is important, and is more important than the tribe. The individual should choose his/her own destiny regardless of the tribe.

It's an old struggle.

Thank you. I was too terse.

427 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 11:44:19am

re: #397 Sharmuta

Because- I don't know what hope there is when people on the right want to enable fascists or put their resources to fighting "Darwinism" and the left morally equates these barbarians to freedom fighters as though they were men like our Founders.

What's frightening is, we can see where some of this is going. I've notice a lot more "kill them all" sort of rhetoric appearing on blogs, in comments, at newspapers, and well, here.

It's like we are fighting a loosing battle. Humans seem to swing to one side or the other, and it's damn hard to get them to slow down and consider a critical position, one that doesn't loose track of who we are.

428 capitalist piglet  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 11:44:24am

re: #386 Iron Fist

I was too young to notice such things during the Carter Administration. I knew Carter wasn't up to the job of President, though, even that young. The stagflation shit caught my attention. I knew it was bad, even though I couldn't have written a dissertation explaining why it was bad.

And I knew the 444 Days of Shame was a clusterfuck. Even at the tender age of, what, 9 or 10? I knew what had to be done, and recognized that Carter wasn't doing it.

I have similar childhood memories of the Carter years. I remember them being the first time - and really, the only time - I have ever felt afraid for my country, because things were bad and there was a very weak man at the helm.

429 [deleted]  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 11:44:27am
430 MandyManners  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 11:44:30am

I'm feeling sad and mad. bbl

431 opnion  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 11:44:43am

re: #360 Golem Akbar

The problem (we've said it before) is that too few Muslims speak up against this kind of stuff. Those that do get fatwaded.

It is tough to be a vocal moderate Muslim.
There is a mosque in Bridgeview IL that was moderate at it's founding.
Radical Islamist moved in & just took the place over. The original leaders knew that the best thing for them was to just go away.
I would like to know how many stayed with the mosque whwn it changed over.

432 DeafDog  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 11:44:51am

re: #304 Kosh's Shadow

If I were them, I wouldn't trust the US for any help or support. Especially with the pronouncements the 0 has made.
Pulling out of Iraq is just one in a long history of the US leaving people it supported to the enemies we were fighting together, from the Bay of Pigs, through Vietnam, Lebanon, etc.

.....don't forget Somalia and Afghanistan during the 1980's.

BTW - It's really a problem with Democracy, not just the US. Democracy requires a critical mass of popular support to wage a war. For example, the French and English pretty much abandoned Czechoslovakia and Poland prior to WWII.

If Obamba fumbles the ball in Iraq, I will be ashamed.

433 Occasional Reader  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 11:45:32am

re: #424 Ben Hur

If we all get sucked into a black hole, I call "dibs" on the seat nearest the event horizon.

434 J.S.  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 11:45:55am

re: #396 MandyManners

a Moscow "University." "Peoples' Friendship University." Communist, of course.

435 subsailor68  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 11:46:06am

re: #409 newsjunkie_ky

Obama won't compromise on tax cuts

And from that article:

"Then this morning, House Minority Leader John Boehner (R-Ohio) went for the jugular, urging his members to oppose the economic centerpiece of Obama's first term just hours before the president paid the Republicans the compliment of coming to the Capitol for a private meeting — even before he did the same for House Democrats." (emphasis mine)

Just what does that mean? Being Politico and all, is that sarcasm? A poke at Obama's arrogance (see "We won!")

Or are they serious?

436 bulwrk  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 11:46:33am

re: #339 Nevergiveup

Sadly yes and yes, but this piece was so bad from a journalistic standpoint if they keep producing this crap they won't be for long.

437 Kenneth  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 11:46:43am

BBC headline: Israel launches attacks in Gaza


Israel has carried out an air attack in the Gaza Strip and launched an incursion with tanks and bulldozers across the border. Palestinian sources say there has been fighting near Khan Younis in southern Gaza, with people fleeing their homes.
438 subsailor68  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 11:46:49am

re: #418 akak

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

Cool! Thanks.

439 Spare O'Lake  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 11:47:14am

re: #396 MandyManners

From where?

From the well-known institution of higher Arab learning - Goatfuck U.

440 unreconstructed rebel  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 11:47:25am

re: #428 capitalist piglet

I have similar childhood memories of the Carter years. I remember them being the first time - and really, the only time - I have ever felt afraid for my country, because things were bad and there was a very weak man at the helm.

Some of the standing orders our Armed Forces had to put up with during Carter I were truly freightening. I cannot image what is going thru the Pentagon's collective psyche just now.

441 transient  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 11:47:42am

re: #389 Cato the Elder

Hillary once gave a press conference to condemn the slime that is being taught to Palestinian children. If we could get her (and hopefully Obama) to see this and publicly condemn it...

I certainly think our new Secretary of State should see this video, and I would like to inquire of her why our friends and allies the Egyptians are broadcasting hate and incitement to genocide on their (presumably) state owned/run TV.

442 opnion  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 11:48:05am

re: #410 Sharmuta

Everything President Bush did to try and protect us from these people has been wiped away in a week. I feel ill.

Obama made his intentions pretty clear. A majority of the voters either approved or didn't really believe him. In the alternative they just weren't paying too much attention & went for the hype.

443 lawhawk  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 11:48:13am

You don't say: Bill Clinton made millions doing speaking engagements with foreign companies.

The documents obtained Tuesday by The Associated Press indicate that $5 million of the former president's reported $5.7 million in 2008 honoraria came from foreign sources. They included Kuwait's National Bank, a Hong Kong-based company, and other firms and groups in Canada, Germany, India, Malaysia, Mexico and Portugal.

All senior officials in the Obama administration are required to complete a detailed disclosure of their personal finances, including spouse and children, which is updated yearly.

Can we get names to go with those countries and groups?

444 akak  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 11:48:32am

re: #438 subsailor68

Cool! Thanks.

4.1 billion can buy an election, surely? 100 bucks a head, thats alot of registrations.

445 Ben Hur  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 11:48:38am

re: #437 Kenneth

We got rid of Bush and the Republicans, now we will turn up the heat on Israel.

/BBC and their Leftist/Muslim/Arab minions.

446 yma o hyd  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 11:48:40am

re: #335 ploome hineni

their most important weapon

PROPAGANDA and world wide antisemitism

Just so!

Sorry I'm late to this thread - had major broadband problems, and sill have difficulties watching videos online ...

Its the sickening propaganda which is bearing fruit in the inceasing antisemitism shown by people who are too young to have any but third-hand experience of the Holocaust and its few survivors.

Every one of us has to stand up to that, wherever we come across it. Its easier to fight against it on a one-to-one basis.
I'm not giving up on my belief that many who now listen to this sickening propaganda have never heard a word against it, and would be sickened if they only were told.

447 Occasional Reader  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 11:48:58am

re: #429 buzzsawmonkey

"Cagey is as KGB, sir!"

--Forrest Gump

Do you suspect that the late Nahoul was a Cagey Bee?

448 Killgore Trout  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 11:49:07am

Someone posted this video over at Dkos....
Holocaust Memorial Day

When an Egyptian Cleric Justifies The Holocaust and "Hopes It Will Happen Again But, Allah Willing,At The Hand Of Muslims" no one takes him seriously. Even if he able to say these horrible in public, with no one to rebuke him. No one.


When Hamas speaks of genocide being the only "Peace" they want for the middle east no one takes them seriously.

When Iran talks of genocide as being the only possible way to "peace" no one takes them seriously.

Well, someone does, and when they do, they are labeled as Nazis and genocidal.

Please watch the video. Please realize that this was broadcast on regular TV in Egypt, and NO ONE TAKES HIM SERIOUSLY.

The KosKidz are outraged....

Using the Holocaust as a Political Trump Card... (5+ / 0-)

...is never productive and usually profane.

This diary is no exception.

449 avanti  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 11:49:16am

re: #367 lawhawk

Abu Mazen (Mahmoud Abbas) got a degree in historical revisionism. His "doctoral thesis" was The Other Side: the Secret Relationship Between Nazism and Zionism. The thesis noted that the Holocaust was Zionist fantasy, the fantastic lie that six million Jews were killed.

Yeah, it was just a one-off drop cite.

In the book, he did nor deny the deaths, but thought the number might have been as low as a million. Although the real number is unknown, it was well over the million he wrote about. Not saying he was not full of crap about over estimating, but not a denier by definition.

Here's a ink for all non combatant deaths in WWII

link..

450 subsailor68  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 11:49:21am

re: #444 akak

4.1 billion can buy an election, surely? 100 bucks a head, thats alot of registrations.

No kidding. I clicked your link, read the article, ran to the bathroom to throw up, and have just opened a bottle of Scotch.

451 Age Of Freedom  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 11:49:27am

re: #274 Ben Hur

No.

Abbas' dissertation is that this did not happen.

That's what we, the free world, especially Israel (and the U.S), have to deal with - limitless and absolutely retarded hatred.

It's like the Jews did 9/11, but at the same time most muslims gloat about 9/11.

They deny the holocaust, but at the same time they bless hitler for wiping out 6 million Jews.

The problem is only that lots of people sympathize with these mofos.

452 aggieann  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 11:49:30am

re: #363 buzzsawmonkey

Carter has a new book out, and he's slithering around the country promoting it.

Every time I chuckle at a post, I find that buzzsawmonkey wrote it!

453 newsjunkie_ky  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 11:49:55am

re: #416 OldLineTexan

Wish I could move my house a few miles further north and vote for Kevin Brady.


Surprised he didn't get booted from the 0's presence for daring to question the messiah.

454 shiek al beif salami  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 11:49:56am

Wow. You guys are fast. I've been trying to catch up for two threads, wherein I posted:

The problem here is that too many of us see the glass as half empty/empty/dry. It's all about choosing perspective. How many of us, when we think of Hitler, think "great highways," or "great little cars except for the worthless heaters?" But usually, all we want to see when we think of Hitler is all the bad things he did, like setting the world on fire, killing millions of people and trying to destroy entire races. Wouldn't we all feel better if we tried be more optimistic? To be more generous? To look for the good?

In the same way, we are in the habit of seeing mohammedans as blood thirsty, expansionist haters who love death, anticipate orgies in paradise, and treat women like goats. This is all because of our habit of habit of looking at the glass as half empty.

So let us endeavor, in this era of hope and change, to look at our mohammedan brothers through new eyes. Think of all the good mohammedanism has brought to the world. For instance, . . . . . . uh, there was the uh. . ., er. . . .

/clock in the hall ticking. Crickets chirping.

455 Occasional Reader  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 11:50:15am

re: #434 J.S.

a Moscow "University." "Peoples' Friendship University." Communist, of course.

It's funny. The Soviets brought in people from the Third World to their universities to teach them Marxism. And we did exactly the same thing!

456 Cato the Elder  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 11:50:24am

re: #371 LeePro

Are you blind or just stupid? Or maybe deaf, ignorant, illiterate and completely devoid of heart?

I challenge you to go back and watch at least half of the video. You cannot possibly pass any semblance of intellectual judgment on what is happening here if you [like so many who are, unfortunately, in positions of power within our government] are unwilling to even witness the atrocities committed around the world in the interest of pure unadulterated hate and the desire to destroy freedom and to completely eradicate an entire race of humans from the planet!

Wow, six insults before you get to the heart of the matter. Way to argue!

Who are you to tell me what to watch? I have been a student of the Holocaust all my life. I am one of the three translators of the definitive book on the genocidal Nazi legal system, published by the Johns Hopkins University Press together with the Holocaust Memorial Museum in Washington. There were parts of that book that I could barely stand to read, much less translate, but I did. You have absolutely no call to speak to me that way, and I challenge you to get to know the people here before you spout off like an arrogant, holier-than-thou virago.

I refuse to watch this video because I've seen it in many forms and many guises. I refuse to watch this video because I don't need to be sickened for the hundredth time by evil that is all too familiar to me.

And you? What are your credentials?

457 avanti  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 11:50:25am

re: #398 Ben Hur

I am aware of his "revisions" of his positions.

And I question the timing.

Can't have that on the record and visit the White House.

No disagreement there.

458 [deleted]  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 11:50:50am
459 LGoPs  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 11:51:21am

re: #428 capitalist piglet

I have similar childhood memories of the Carter years. I remember them being the first time - and really, the only time - I have ever felt afraid for my country, because things were bad and there was a very weak man at the helm.

I have the same memories. Desert One was an infamy and it happened largely because of the amateurish meddling of this idiot.
Amazes me that he can't muster the grace to recede into the background but continually insists on inflicting his demonstrably poor judgment on all of us.
Somebody ought to try pouring water on him and maybe, just maybe he'd shrivel up shrieking and melt away......

460 Killian Bundy  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 11:51:26am

Scientists Not So Sure 'Doomsday Machine' Won't Destroy World

Three physicists have reexamined the math surrounding the creation of microscopic black holes in the Switzerland-based LHC, the world's largest particle collider, and determined that they won't simply evaporate in a millisecond as had previously been predicted.

Rather, Roberto Casadio of the University of Bologna in Italy and Sergio Fabi and Benjamin Harms of the University of Alabama say mini black holes could exist for much longer — perhaps even more than a second, a relative eternity in particle colliders, where most objects decay much faster.

Under such long-lived conditions, it becomes a race between how fast a black hole can decay — and how fast it can gobble up matter to grow bigger and prevent itself from decaying.

Casadio, Fabi and Harms think the black hole would lose out, and pass through the Earth or out of the atmosphere before it got to be a problem.

/as Steven Wright once said, "saw this in a movie once, pretty sure it'll work"

461 shiplord kirel  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 11:51:29am

re: #437 Kenneth

BBC headline: Israel launches attacks in Gaza

I think Israel just told the Hamas foreign forces (UN, MSM, EU, etc.) to go bugger themselves.

462 akak  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 11:51:53am

re: #450 subsailor68


Maybe it's just payback for the most recent, after all the bailouts are gonna go up some more.

463 CyanSnowHawk  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 11:51:55am

re: #361 LGoPs

I personally didn't see that big a differential in prices - although my example is clearly anecdotal adn not scientific. I recently chose American over Japanese, Quality being equal. the American was actually cheaper.
I agree with you on the debilitating power of the UAW but I think bankruptcy better addresses that. I think a bail-out merely perpetuates all the bad influences the UAW already has.....IMHO

The Japanese are making considerably more profit off of the cars that they are selling. The numbers that I have seen tossed around are that it costs the big three about $2000 more to make an equivalent car. If you could knock $2k off the price of all American cars, or put $2k more value into them, the big three would be much more competitive. Prices would come down, quality would likely go up even further.
I think you are right that bankruptcy may be the better way to deal with the UAW. The bailout is a testament to their political power.

464 Sharmuta  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 11:52:13am

re: #448 Killgore Trout

I think it was "Buck".

re: #342 Buck

The video inspired me to create a DailyKos Diary about Holocaust Memorial Day and how no one takes genocide against jews seriously.

465 unreconstructed rebel  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 11:52:15am

re: #454 shiek al beif salami

If I may offer a mild correction - Mohammedans fuck their goats & hit their women.

466 Opinionated  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 11:52:29am

re: #455 Occasional Reader

It's funny. The Soviets brought in people from the Third World to their universities to teach them Marxism. And we did exactly the same thing!

But just imagine, at a crossroad, Obama's father decided to came here. If he had gone to Moscow instead.............oh, to dream.

467 Occasional Reader  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 11:52:52am

I may hold the dubious distinction of being the only person on this thread who has met a graduate of Patrice Lumumba University.

468 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 11:53:03am

re: #460 Killian Bundy

Scientists Not So Sure 'Doomsday Machine' Won't Destroy World

/as Steven Wright once said, "saw this in a movie once, pretty sure it'll work"

They will just have to try it out and see what happens. No pain, no glory.
/

469 Blue Pinky  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 11:53:17am

re: #445 Ben Hur

We got rid of Bush and the Republicans, now we will turn up the heat on Israel.

/BBC and their Leftist/Muslim/Arab minions.

The heat's first gotta be down to be turned up. It's always been up. It's like Hamas saying "NOW Israel will feel our wrath". Oh, NOW. As if they haven't been as hard as they can trying all along.

470 lawhawk  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 11:53:19am

re: #433 Occasional Reader

Don't panic. There's an emergency stop button.

However, I think someone goofed.

[Link: fragg.me...]

471 ryannon  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 11:53:24am

re: #448 Killgore Trout

Someone posted this video over at Dkos....
Holocaust Memorial Day

When an Egyptian Cleric Justifies The Holocaust and "Hopes It Will Happen Again But, Allah Willing,At The Hand Of Muslims" no one takes him seriously. Even if he able to say these horrible in public, with no one to rebuke him. No one.


Lizard Buck M (above) posted it in the hopes it would open some of those idiots' eyes....

472 Killgore Trout  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 11:53:28am

re: #464 Sharmuta
Heh.

473 Outrider  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 11:53:33am

re: #428 capitalist piglet

I have similar childhood memories of the Carter years. I remember them being the first time - and really, the only time - I have ever felt afraid for my country, because things were bad and there was a very weak man at the helm.

think it was interesting being a child during the carter administration? Should have tried being a soldier waiting to see how our President was going to handle the invasion of our embassy and kidnapping of 444 of our citizens.

474 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 11:53:38am

re: #424 Ben Hur

Who cares.

We're gonners anyway.

Scientists Not So Sure 'Doomsday Machine' Won't Destroy World

Muslims invented the Large Hadron Collider 742 years ago, BTW.

That news piece is sensationalist garbage. First, the "black holes" we are talking about here are *not* the black holes that one would think of in terms of General Relativity - i.e. the ones we make movies about.
It is a misnomer. A more accurate discription would be "excited resonance in a compactified dimension." It is a string theory thing.

Second, there are vastly more energetic particle interactions going on all the time in terms of cosmic ray collisions. These have been going on for billions of years. Yet, there are *not* doomsday black holes everywhere.

I hate the MSM. They will say anything to tittilate people except look at real problems like the monsters this thread is dedicated to. Of course that would violate the principle of happy sheep being given their bread and circus.

If my tone is harsh, it is because I am still furious over this mufti. Please forgive me.

475 newsjunkie_ky  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 11:53:47am

re: #435 subsailor68

And from that article:

"Then this morning, House Minority Leader John Boehner (R-Ohio) went for the jugular, urging his members to oppose the economic centerpiece of Obama's first term just hours before the president paid the Republicans the compliment of coming to the Capitol for a private meeting — even before he did the same for House Democrats." (emphasis mine)

Just what does that mean? Being Politico and all, is that sarcasm? A poke at Obama's arrogance (see "We won!")

Or are they serious?

They are serious. heard basically the same thing on fox news radio. They even sorta praised the 0 for sending mitchell to 'listen' leaving off the 'dictating' portion of the sound bite.
Hope Boehner keeps his guts and doesn't cave into the 0.

476 Ben Hur  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 11:54:21am

re: #437 Kenneth

From BBC's sidebar:


Israel launches attacks in Gaza
Two dead in Gaza border violence
EU envoy lays Gaza blame on Hamas
Obama reaches out to Muslim world
FEATURES AND ANALYSIS
Bowen diary
Gaza teenager scarred by death and destruction

Aid worker diary: Part 22
'Phosphorus wounds' alarm Gazans
New evidence of Gaza child deaths
Gaza: Humanitarian situation
Ruins pose questions for Hamas
UN chief's impact on Gaza truce
Israeli and Palestinian views
BACKGROUND
Gaza conflict map
Satellite image shows extent of destruction in Gaza City

Q&A: Gaza conflict

Who are Hamas?

Who is a civilian?

VIDEO AND AUDIO

Refugee support for Hamas

Doctor's story hits home in Israel

Gaza father finds out child survived

PROFILES
Salam Fayyad Hezbollah Sheikh Nasrallah Ehud Olmert Mahmoud Abbas Ismail Haniya Fouad Siniora Mahmoud Zahhar Amir Peretz Shimon Peres Khaled Meshaal Hamas Islamic Jihad Gaza Strip Al-Aqsa Brigade Ariel Sharon

BBC ARABIC.COM
BBC News in Arabic

Anyone else notice a pattern?

477 jcm  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 11:54:32am

From the Stupid Tax of the Day File.

Fife, considers warehouse door tax

FIFE, Wash. —

The city of Fife is considering a tax on warehouses to help pay for roads.

The city council is holding a Tuesday night hearing on the proposed $100 annual tax on each loading-dock door. The tax targets warehouse shipping because of truck wear on roads. Fife has more than 2,000 loading dock doors.

The Tacoma News Tribune reports that Sumner and Auburn are considering a similar tax.

How many ways can we drive business away?
Let me count the doors.

478 shiek al beif salami  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 11:54:45am

re: #467 Occasional Reader

I knew several. When they returned to their homes in Africa, many became undiluted capitalists. It took a scholarship to England for an African to turn to communism.

479 Sharmuta  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 11:55:12am

re: #472 Killgore Trout

We are in ur dkos messin with ur cence of outrage.

480 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 11:55:15am

I've heard O'bambi's policies and politics described as like FDR. And it has struck me what FDR didn't do to stop the Holocaust. Are we seeing history repeat itself?

481 Ben Hur  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 11:55:18am

re: #448 Killgore Trout

A lizard up the thread posted it.

COmments are ridiculous, of course.

Because, you know, using the Holocaust to make a political point is unseemly.

482 lostlakehiker  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 11:55:19am

First reaction---nah, it'd get my account closed immediately and for good.

Second reaction: Amin Al-Ansari is a shameless and artless liar, on top of his more serious faults. What to do about those faults is beyond the scope of this forum, and I have nothing to say on the topic.

What to do about his shameless and artless lying is to expose it, lay it bare, and mock him and humiliate him for his sub-zero IQ.

At 6:10 in the film, he shows footage from the Red Army's capture of Berlin. He then goes on to narrate that these are the Armies that Israel encouraged to attack Germany, and that as a result, the Germans took revenge on the Jews. (6:30)

As a result of the Soviet capture of Berlin, Hitler committed suicide and Germany surrendered. What the Nazis did to the Jews, they did before Berlin fell, because it was before the fall of Berlin that they had the power to do it. By the time of the fall or Berlin, Auschwitz, Treblinka, Sobibor, Bergen-Belsen, and Dachau had fallen or were about to fall.

It wasn't the blandishments of the Jews that brought the Red Army to Berlin. It was vengeance. Russian vengeance for what the Germans had done to Russia.

From 10:00 to 10:15 or so, Al Ansari shows footage of bodies and of soldiers looking on. He narrates that "not so long ago, they (the Jews) were fighting these soldiers. And now [the winners see that the losers got what they had coming]. " But what Al Ansari omits to mention is that the soldiers in this footage are AMERICAN soldiers, and they're not looking at losers getting what they deserve, they're witnesses to a crime scene, and they're thinking how not-sorry they are for all the Germans they had to kill to get to this point.

Spit. Al Ansari is a fool. He can't even lie straight. He gets his dates inverted and switches the nationality of the soldiers in his narrative.

483 unreconstructed rebel  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 11:55:26am

Boss is calling. Gotta go.

484 jcm  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 11:55:32am

re: #460 Killian Bundy

Scientists Not So Sure 'Doomsday Machine' Won't Destroy World

/as Steven Wright once said, "saw this in a movie once, pretty sure it'll work"

There's goes another promising startup I had. Selling blackhole proof shelters.

485 subsailor68  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 11:55:36am

re: #475 newsjunkie_ky

"Hope Boehner keeps his guts and doesn't cave into the 0."

Funny you should write that. When I read the article, I had exactly the same thought. So far, he's one of the few who've stood up to Obama. (I understand he's supposed to as Minority Leader, but still...)

486 Oh no...Sand People!  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 11:55:39am

re: #454 shiek al beif salami

Wow. You guys are fast. I've been trying to catch up for two threads, wherein I posted:

The problem here is that too many of us see the glass as half empty/empty/dry. It's all about choosing perspective. How many of us, when we think of Hitler, think "great highways," or "great little cars except for the worthless heaters?" But usually, all we want to see when we think of Hitler is all the bad things he did, like setting the world on fire, killing millions of people and trying to destroy entire races. Wouldn't we all feel better if we tried be more optimistic? To be more generous? To look for the good?

In the same way, we are in the habit of seeing mohammedans as blood thirsty, expansionist haters who love death, anticipate orgies in paradise, and treat women like goats. This is all because of our habit of habit of looking at the glass as half empty.

So let us endeavor, in this era of hope and change, to look at our mohammedan brothers through new eyes. Think of all the good mohammedanism has brought to the world. For instance, . . . . . . uh, there was the uh. . ., er. . . .

/clock in the hall ticking. Crickets chirping.


No...in fact I that is my 'glass half full' perspective of the mohammedans.
No sarc.

487 Opinionated  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 11:55:44am

re: #437 Kenneth

BBC headline: Israel launches attacks in Gaza

I'm not enlightened enough or have one of those oh so prestigious journalism degrees (you know, the one Joe the plumber doesn't have either) but shouldn't this:

The incursion follows a bomb attack which killed one Israeli soldier and wounded three near the Gaza border.

be the the headline. Considering that it was the cause of all that followed.

488 abolitionist  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 11:56:04am

re: #334 Alouette

There really were Muslim nazis.

According to my researches, the nazi's international intelligence services, if not also their domestic ones, consisted largely of elements of the muslim brotherhood (which grew out of Egypt) and Hajj Amin al-Husseini's networks, which stretched from the Balkans to Iraq. Al-Husseini had substantial support from Britain in the 20's and 30's. Both he and an associate, General Gilani (various spellings) were involved in the coup against Iraq in '41, and anti-Jewish pogroms there. Both escaped to Germany to support the Third Reich. Both died in Beruit.

Gilani Lane is about an hour from here, in Virginia.

489 Outrider  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 11:57:34am

re: #449 avanti

In the book, he did nor deny the deaths, but thought the number might have been as low as a million. Although the real number is unknown, it was well over the million he wrote about. Not saying he was not full of crap about over estimating, but not a denier by definition.

Here's a ink for all non combatant deaths in WWII

link..

I believe it was the Nazis own records that documented the over 6 million Jewish deaths and over 7 million others (Gypsies, Masons, Jehovah's Witnesses, homosexuals, political prisoners, etc). They were apparently real anal about documenting each and every death.

490 notutopia  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 11:57:52am

re: #371 LeePro

Are you blind or just stupid? Or maybe deaf, ignorant, illiterate and completely devoid of heart?

I challenge you to go back and watch at least half of the video. You cannot possibly pass any semblance of intellectual judgment on what is happening here if you [like so many who are, unfortunately, in positions of power within our government] are unwilling to even witness the atrocities committed around the world in the interest of pure unadulterated hate and the desire to destroy freedom and to completely eradicate an entire race of humans from the planet!


LeePro,
With respect, Consider that there are many elders here and in our lives,who have actually lived/survived through this real hellish nightmare. They do not need to rehash the ghoulish atrocities or revisit the propaganda by watching this film.
It is downright painful and verging on personal abuse to suggest to them that they MUST watch this.
Please, use utmost discretion with who you send this on to. Some cannot bare this psychological pain.
Thank you.

491 lawhawk  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 11:57:53am

re: #487 Opinionated

Well, the media can't keep coming up with witty new headlines when every one dealing with Hamas would be:

Terrorists acting like Terrorists: Scum Attack Israel and Israel Defends Self; News at 11.

492 Cato the Elder  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 11:58:12am

Mandy, why did you upding a post that is viciously and ignorantly insulting to me personally? LeePro could have made her point without hurling six derogations up front.

Please see my reply to her.

Same goes for you, avanti and yma o hyd.

I thought we were better than that.

493 avanti  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 11:58:41am

re: #471 ryannon

Lizard Buck M (above) posted it in the hopes it would open some of those idiots' eyes....

I'm ashamed to say most of the KOS folks only saw the political content of his post, and ignored the horror of the video. The took it as a rant against against working with the Arabs that I did not see.

494 Outrider  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 11:59:14am

re: #467 Occasional Reader

I may hold the dubious distinction of being the only person on this thread who has met a graduate of Patrice Lumumba University.

two maybe. ;-)>

495 BatGuano  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 11:59:44am

re: #290 WriterMom

Yes, they both use(d) every tool at their disposal. But If Hitler had announced his plans for the Jews before hand, I think the western worlds response would be different the Arab worlds response to this ... I don't have the proper word. I see your point.

496 Killgore Trout  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 11:59:56am

Here's the video we were talking about the other day.....
Former Guantanamo Prisoners Threaten Western And Arab Countries.

497 Amer-I-Can  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 12:00:10pm

What a POS! But aren't the Egiptians our friends? Doesn't "The One" want to negotiate with these rag wrapped pieces of human excrement? How naive can it get.

498 MandyManners  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 12:00:11pm

re: #449 avanti

You're sticking up for Abu Abbas and you stick up for CBBBHO. I'm detecting a pattern.

*sniff*

499 LGoPs  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 12:00:51pm

re: #475 newsjunkie_ky

They are serious. heard basically the same thing on fox news radio. They even sorta praised the 0 for sending mitchell to 'listen' leaving off the 'dictating' portion of the sound bite.
Hope Boehner keeps his guts and doesn't cave into the 0.

I'd like to have Boehner keep a thought in the back of his mind....kind of a retort to Obama's trump card of saying "I won".
Proper response would be "Yeah, you won, but this isn't a fucking dictatorship, slick"

500 avanti  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 12:01:07pm

re: #489 Outrider

I believe it was the Nazis own records that documented the over 6 million Jewish deaths and over 7 million others (Gypsies, Masons, Jehovah's Witnesses, homosexuals, political prisoners, etc). They were apparently real anal about documenting each and every death.

I agree, but admit the 7 million Soviet non combatant deaths was a eye opener.

501 Ben Hur  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 12:01:08pm

re: #474 LudwigVanQuixote

Like everything else the MSM covers.

excited resonance in a compactified dimension


Like Mandy.

502 WriterMom  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 12:01:11pm

re: #388 Occasional Reader

ARGH! I did that on purpose to be more dainty and ladylike...

But-what the fuck...

503 Occasional Reader  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 12:01:13pm

re: #481 Ben Hur

Because, you know, using the Holocaust to make a political point is unseemly.

Reminds me of a few years back when the head of Amnesty Internationl grudgingly noted human rights abuses under Saddam Hussein's regime, but sniffily added that AI did not approve of using such information "for political purposes". Oh. Well, then, why does your organization exist?

504 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 12:01:19pm

re: #493 avanti

I'm ashamed to say most of the KOS folks only saw the political content of his post, and ignored the horror of the video. The took it as a rant against against working with the Arabs that I did not see.

It's because many of them see no horror in that video. Many believed it didn't happen, some believe it should have happened and others just don't give a damn.

Do you spend any quality time at KOS? It you did, you would realize what I say is true.

505 LeePro  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 12:01:57pm

re: #389 Cato the Elder COWARD

I agree and would only add that we should all try to find a way to forward this to our local, state and national representatives, the Secretary of State, etc. If they are inundated by respectful requests to watch this and asked to respond, it might accomplish something. Preaching to the choir (friends and others who agree with us) won't do much. My easy-on-Islam brother would refuse to watch because he'd say he already knows about these things, and they're just a tiny minority, etc. If politicians' offices are flooded with this, it could make a difference.

Hillary once gave a press conference to condemn the slime that is being taught to Palestinian children. If we could get her (and hopefully Obama) to see this and publicly condemn it...

We won't know if they'll do it until we try. There are numerous Jewish organizations that we could also approach to try and get a regular campaign going.

After you stated in your #132 that you yourself could not watch more than the first few seconds of this video (which revealed nothing more than the animal's identity), and then to cowardly down-ding my response to your mealy-mouthed agreement with Obama-the-weasel, rather than have the balls to respond and defend your wimpish position... that "... I think this shows how wise it is for Obama to be talking to Muslims directly via al-Arabiya. If he can reach some people and make them understand about America and our commitment to religious freedom and individual rights, it will be a positive thing. With Muslims minds being poisoned daily by filth like this, it is imperative that they at least be given the chance to see another face of the West."

Pick which side of your mouth you really want to speak from and stick to it.
If you have the balls for that!

506 subsailor68  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 12:01:58pm

re: #499 LGoPs

I'd like to have Boehner keep a thought in the back of his mind....kind of a retort to Obama's trump card of saying "I won".
Proper response would be "Yeah, you won, but this isn't a fucking dictatorship, slick"

LOL! We should send him a laminated wallet-sized card he can carry with him!

507 WriterMom  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 12:02:25pm

re: #385 Occasional Reader

f****ng

You spelled it wrong, too.

508 newsjunkie_ky  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 12:02:54pm

re: #485 subsailor68

"Hope Boehner keeps his guts and doesn't cave into the 0."

Funny you should write that. When I read the article, I had exactly the same thought. So far, he's one of the few who've stood up to Obama. (I understand he's supposed to as Minority Leader, but still...)


On first reading the 'stimulus package' his first utterance was OH MY G-D! Heard the clip on our local talk radio show. He needs to keep this in mind for everything the 0 wants to do.

509 WriterMom  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 12:03:12pm

re: #503 Occasional Reader

why does your organization exist?

To be a festering sore and blight on humanity and help in the war against the West?

510 BatGuano  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 12:03:15pm

re: #476 Ben Hur

The BBC is an antisemitic piece of shit?

511 yma o hyd  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 12:03:39pm

re: #468 Walter L. Newton

They will just have to try it out and see what happens. No pain, no glory.
/

Heh.
If the Black Hole wins, we'll know quickly enough. No more PB0, no hamasthugs ...

Lizards however will definitely meet on the flip side!

512 Occasional Reader  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 12:03:45pm

re: #507 WriterMom

f****ng

You spelled it wrong, too.

Nah, the * is like an Ace in poker.

513 MandyManners  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 12:03:51pm

re: #501 Ben Hur

Fucking A.

514 jwb7605  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 12:04:03pm

re: #504 Walter L. Newton

It's because many of them see no horror in that video. Many believed it didn't happen, some believe it should have happened and others just don't give a damn.

Do you spend any quality time at KOS? It you did, you would realize what I say is true.

You just earned my nomination for oxymoron of the day.

... I don't disagree with the sentiment, but ...

515 blangwort  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 12:04:33pm

re: #351 Nevergiveup

That's the problem. If it would further his ends, he'd probably wouldn't mind.

That's really what separates us from their world. Nobody should look forward to killing another. The notion that one could rain death and destruction upon another, and look forward to it with fondness and longing, is some of the purest evil there is. I don't know who this cleric is. I don't know of his followers. I wish them peace, prosperity, and understanding. The last item will hurt them deeply when they understand what they've been saying here.

Barring that, I wish them nothing but laughter. Islam doesn't tolerate laughter, humor, and silliness. There is too much truth in it.

516 Kenneth  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 12:04:39pm

re: #487 Opinionated

Ah, but the "journos" at the Beeb all know the ultimate cause of all the troubles in the Middle East is Zionism.

517 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 12:04:45pm

re: #514 jwb7605

You just earned my nomination for oxymoron of the day.

... I don't disagree with the sentiment, but ...

Did someone say OXY (cue Billy Mays)

518 Creeping Eruption  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 12:04:49pm

re: #509 WriterMom

To be a festering sore and blight on humanity and help in the war against the West?

Gotta upding anyone who uses the phrase "festering sore." Weeping sore is also a nice change-up from time to time.

519 WriterMom  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 12:04:50pm

re: #437 Kenneth

But I thought Israel had leveled Gaza in the recent genocide?!?

520 subsailor68  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 12:04:59pm

re: #508 newsjunkie_ky

On first reading the 'stimulus package' his first utterance was OH MY G-D! Heard the clip on our local talk radio show. He needs to keep this in mind for everything the 0 wants to do.

Wouldn't it be interesting if he turns out to be the leader the conservative movement ends up rallying around? A combination of him and Michael Steele at RNC may just give us hope.

521 Outrider  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 12:05:02pm

re: #500 avanti

I agree, but admit the 7 million Soviet non combatant deaths was a eye opener.

I would have to look up a source, but I recall from my studies the Russians actually killed more Jews during the same period of time than the Nazis did, but don't really hear much about it. Probably because he was so busy whacking everyone at the same time including his own generals and soldiers.

522 lawhawk  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 12:05:17pm

re: #449 avanti

The Palestinian Authority, of which Abbas is leader, regularly engages in Holocaust revisionism. Where do you think they get it from? Thin air? Abbas practices what he knows.

This is with whom Israel is to make peace with?

523 transient  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 12:05:18pm

re: #437 Kenneth

BBC headline: Israel launches attacks in Gaza

I hope this is the inauguration of a "zero tolerance" policy towards Hamas attacks.

Foreign Minister Tzipi Livni said Tuesday that Israel will no longer show restraint against Palestinian attacks from the Hamas-ruled Gaza Strip.

"Israel is going to act according to a new equation. We are not going to show restraint anymore," Livni told a gathering of the New York-based World Jewish Congress in Jerusalem.

We need to change the rules of the game until they learn that the rules have changed and the equation has changed," she added.

/but she's probably just talking out her *** and in any case, Hamas is resistant to any form of non-Koranic, non-Iranic learning.

524 Occasional Reader  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 12:05:18pm

String theory pr0n thread?

525 WriterMom  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 12:05:39pm

re: #518 Creeping Eruption

I like festering Islamic shithole to describe Shitistan and Pakistan, too.

526 Natasha  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 12:05:50pm

Spend time at Kos? No, thanks, I think I'll go skin-dive in the sewers, instead. A much cleaner and healthier pastime.

527 Sharmuta  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 12:06:15pm

re: #518 Creeping Eruption

And I upding anyone who can work in "Poppinjay".

528 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 12:06:17pm

re: #501 Ben Hur

Like everything else the MSM covers.


Like Mandy.

Perhaps I am asking for trouble, but I am curious... How is Mandy like a compactified extra dimension - or a resonance in one?

529 redstateredneck  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 12:06:19pm

re: #489 Outrider

I believe it was the Nazis own records that documented the over 6 million Jewish deaths and over 7 million others (Gypsies, Masons, Jehovah's Witnesses, homosexuals, political prisoners, etc). They were apparently real anal about documenting each and every death.

What is it about evil that wants a record of itself? Didn't Saddam's people keep records of the horror that his regime inflicted on his country?

530 subsailor68  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 12:06:29pm

re: #526 Natasha

Spend time at Kos? No, thanks, I think I'll go skin-dive in the sewers, instead. A much cleaner and healthier pastime.

Yeah, at least there's a cure for anything you pick up there.

:-)

531 MJBrutus  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 12:06:37pm

re: #445 Ben Hur

We got rid of Bush and the Republicans, now we will turn up the heat on Israel.

/BBC and their Leftist/Muslim/Arab minions.

/US Department of State

532 Eric Cartman's Conscience  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 12:06:47pm

THIS WILL REQUIRE A STRONG STOMACH

CLINTON'S ARRIVAL AT THE STATE DEPARTMENT AND THE CROWD GOES WILD!

This video is proof there is a real and genuine partisan problem at the state department. No one Bush could get nothing done. And these are the people entrusted to keep secrets!? Apparently not if they didn't vote for the guy.

533 WriterMom  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 12:06:49pm

re: #407 buzzsawmonkey

I thought he got bought his degree in Egypt.

Lots of Palestinians got their edumacations on the USSR's tab.

534 MrSilverDragon  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 12:06:56pm

re: #524 Occasional Reader

String theory pr0n thread?

A frayed knot.

535 Kenneth  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 12:07:14pm

re: #502 WriterMom

ARGH! I did that on purpose to be more dainty and ladylike...

But-what the fuck...

Hmmm.... WriterMom... dainty and ladylike... nah, can't picture that...

536 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 12:07:15pm

re: #524 Occasional Reader

String theory pr0n thread?

What?

537 Sunlight  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 12:07:19pm

re: #196 bulwrk

Does the IDF have a version of the Foreign Legion that accepts 49 year old Christian white guys?

Ok so, check AussieDave's 9:30pm post for an answer to your questions. We need to have something like Girl Scout cookies to do fundraising..

[Link: www.israellycool.com...]

538 Eric Cartman's Conscience  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 12:07:29pm

...no wonder Bush could get nothing done (@532)

539 lawhawk  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 12:07:43pm

re: #519 WriterMom

Ha, and I thought that all Gazans were poor deprived souls.... fancy how that works....

540 avanti  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 12:08:03pm

re: #498 MandyManners

You're sticking up for Abu Abbas and you stick up for CBBBHO. I'm detecting a pattern.

*sniff*


Mandy, why is simply stating a a fact taken as "sticking up"
Someone posted Abbas was a denier, and I had not heard that, so I did a search. I found he never denied the holocaust, but did question the number killed. I'm not a big fan of Abbas, but compared to the leaders of Hamas, he might be someone that is not totally nuts.
I am very pro Israel and share their hope that they can deal with Abbas.

541 newsjunkie_ky  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 12:08:12pm

re: #499 LGoPs

I'd like to have Boehner keep a thought in the back of his mind....kind of a retort to Obama's trump card of saying "I won".
Proper response would be "Yeah, you won, but this isn't a fucking dictatorship, slick"


I like it! Would remind me of the fire in Cheney's belly when he uttered those great words to lehy, 'go f--k yourself'.

542 Dianna  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 12:08:19pm
543 WriterMom  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 12:08:28pm

re: #476 Ben Hur

Yes. Those fucking antisemites don't know how to use proper fucking punctuation in their Jew-hating "news" items.

544 Kenneth  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 12:08:29pm

re: #519 WriterMom

Yes, and they killed all the Palestinians 14 times over in the worst crime against humanity since the beginning of time. And so now the Zionists have come back to do it again.

545 abolitionist  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 12:08:37pm

re: #495 BatGuano

Yes, they both use(d) every tool at their disposal. But If Hitler had announced his plans for the Jews before hand, I think the western worlds response would be different the Arab worlds response to this ... I don't have the proper word. I see your point.

Mein Kampf. Google it.

546 lawhawk  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 12:08:47pm

re: #524 Occasional Reader

String theory pr0n thread?

Strange how you lead such a charmed life....

547 Racer X  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 12:08:54pm

re: #538 Eric Cartman's Conscience

...no wonder Bush could get nothing done (@532)

Bush failed to clean out the state dept when he took office. It cost him big time.

548 Creeping Eruption  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 12:08:58pm

re: #527 Sharmuta

And I upding anyone who can work in "Poppinjay".

The sport, or the butterfly?

549 Occasional Reader  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 12:09:14pm

re: #528 LudwigVanQuixote

How is Mandy like a compactified extra dimension - or a resonance in one?

It's a Zen koan. If Ben told you the answer, the whole thing would be ruined.

550 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 12:09:16pm

Court Decision Boosts Party of Dutch Lawmaker Who Criticized Islam

(CNSNews.com) – Controversial Dutch lawmaker Geert Wilders has seen his party’s popularity rise following a court ruling that he should stand trial for his statements about Islam.

Last week’s decision by an appeals court in Amsterdam instructing prosecutors to indict Wilders for “inciting hatred and discrimination” has directly contributed to increased support for his Party for Freedom (PVV), according to Dutch pollster Maurice de Hond.

The court ruling “has had a clear positive effect on the size of the electoral support for the PVV,” which now stands at a 16-month high, he said.

The Maurice de Hond poll found that if an election were held now, the PVV would win 20 seats in the Tweede Kamer, or lower house of parliament – three more than a similar poll showed last week.

551 yma o hyd  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 12:09:21pm

re: #487 Opinionated

BBC, like all MFM, don't give a toss about dead and wounded Israeli soldiers (or civilians!) - all they care for are gory pictures of Gazans and hamasthugs, the more sickening the better.

They don't seem to ask themselves why it is that Israel does not show such pictures, but the thugs do.
Its got to do with respect for people, and with humanity - but that is lost on the MFM.

552 newsjunkie_ky  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 12:09:26pm

re: #520 subsailor68

Wouldn't it be interesting if he turns out to be the leader the conservative movement ends up rallying around? A combination of him and Michael Steele at RNC may just give us hope.


Would be nice.

553 WriterMom  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 12:09:38pm

re: #539 lawhawk

No distended stomachs?

hat tip: Ben Hur

HAHAHAHHAAHHAHA

554 Killgore Trout  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 12:09:44pm

re: #539 lawhawk

I'm still waiting to see if there's going to be any backlash against Hamas. I was expecting Fatah to make a move but it doesn't look like they're going to do it.

555 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 12:10:12pm

re: #524 Occasional Reader

String theory pr0n thread?

Hey baby, would you like to play with my heterotic string? (nb: Heterotic string is a real term)

556 Spare O'Lake  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 12:10:12pm

re: #490 notutopia

LeePro,
With respect, Consider that there are many elders here and in our lives,who have actually lived/survived through this real hellish nightmare. They do not need to rehash the ghoulish atrocities or revisit the propaganda by watching this film.
It is downright painful and verging on personal abuse to suggest to them that they MUST watch this.
Please, use utmost discretion with who you send this on to. Some cannot bare this psychological pain.
Thank you.

Actually, holocaust survivors are at least in their mid-seventies, and most are well into their eighties and nineties.
Accordingly, I think it is safe to say that few if any survivors would be surfing the net.
So what the heck are you talking about?
Kudos to LeePro!

557 lawhawk  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 12:10:20pm

re: #554 Killgore Trout

Backlash? Hardly... they're still printing out the banners honoring and turning terrorists into heroes.

558 Occasional Reader  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 12:10:41pm

re: #546 lawhawk

Strange how you lead such a charmed life....

It's part of my flavor, dog. I mean, flava.

559 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 12:10:55pm

re: #495 BatGuano

Yes, they both use(d) every tool at their disposal. But If Hitler had announced his plans for the Jews before hand, I think the western worlds response would be different the Arab worlds response to this ... I don't have the proper word. I see your point.

What. Most of the world knew what Hitler was up to, through most of the 30's. Most of the world tried to turn away and ignore what was happening.

The western worlds response, up to the time we entered the war, was just like we are responding today.

Read up on history a bit.

560 Dianna  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 12:11:15pm

re: #456 Cato the Elder

I'm unable to upding, so I am letting you know that was well-said.

561 Outrider  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 12:11:19pm

re: #529 redstateredneck

What is it about evil that wants a record of itself? Didn't Saddam's people keep records of the horror that his regime inflicted on his country?

Iraq kept even more meticulous records. They actually recorded every word, action, and gesture of the interrogations.

562 Kenneth  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 12:11:19pm

re: #546 lawhawk

Strange how you lead such a charmed life....

Yeah, he's a real quarker!

563 Killgore Trout  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 12:11:33pm

Here's video of today's motorcycle swarm....

564 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 12:12:11pm

re: #549 Occasional Reader

It's a Zen koan. If Ben told you the answer, the whole thing would be ruined.


Then I shall meditate on it...

565 Oh no...Sand People!  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 12:12:45pm

re: #556 Spare O'Lake

Actually, holocaust survivors are at least in their mid-seventies, and most are well into their eighties and nineties.
Accordingly, I think it is safe to say that few if any survivors would be surfing the net.
So what the heck are you talking about?
Kudos to LeePro!

I have rarely been as mad as the day the MSM declared 9/11 footage 'taboo'...4 hours after the fact it happened.

No. Never forget. Cue up the tapes.

566 newsjunkie_ky  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 12:13:03pm

$4.19 BILLION for acorn.
Good Gawd!

567 Cato the Elder  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 12:13:05pm

re: #505 LeePro

After you stated in your #132 that you yourself could not watch more than the first few seconds of this video (which revealed nothing more than the animal's identity), and then to cowardly down-ding my response to your mealy-mouthed agreement with Obama-the-weasel, rather than have the balls to respond and defend your wimpish position... that "... I think this shows how wise it is for Obama to be talking to Muslims directly via al-Arabiya. If he can reach some people and make them understand about America and our commitment to religious freedom and individual rights, it will be a positive thing. With Muslims minds being poisoned daily by filth like this, it is imperative that they at least be given the chance to see another face of the West."

Pick which side of your mouth you really want to speak from and stick to it.
If you have the balls for that!

Personal insults will get you far here.

Your first post was a classic. Your second makes your first look like sweet reason.

I answered your challenge in the open. That's cowardly? My down-ding is there for all to see. That's craven?

You don't answer my first response, but move on to other accusations and personal insullts. That seems to me a bit on the evasive side, if not an act of pusillanimity.

Have the courtesy to be respectful or you will find yourself talking to no one at all.

568 baconeatingkaffir  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 12:13:07pm

re: #561 Outrider

Iraq kept even more meticulous records. They actually recorded every word, action, and gesture of the interrogations.

Yeah they kept alot of videos too. My bro was telling me about the guys on haifa street in Baghdad trying to hock them as snuff films. Messed up...

569 yma o hyd  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 12:13:44pm

re: #492 Cato the Elder

Mandy, why did you upding a post that is viciously and ignorantly insulting to me personally? LeePro could have made her point without hurling six derogations up front.

Please see my reply to her.

Same goes for you, avanti and yma o hyd.

I thought we were better than that.

I do apologise, deeply.
I removed the upding after reading your first post about this, and then this post.

I am really sorry, I got caught up in the heat of that argument, not knowing about what you have done in real life.

Please accept my apologies.

570 opnion  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 12:13:54pm

re: #508 newsjunkie_ky

On first reading the 'stimulus package' his first utterance was OH MY G-D! Heard the clip on our local talk radio show. He needs to keep this in mind for everything the 0 wants to do.

Obama is despertae for Republican support. He does not want to own failure by himself, if things go bad.
The whole package is laden with pork & welfare.

571 LGoPs  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 12:13:58pm

re: #532 Eric Cartman's Conscience

THIS WILL REQUIRE A STRONG STOMACH

CLINTON'S ARRIVAL AT THE STATE DEPARTMENT AND THE CROWD GOES WILD!

This video is proof there is a real and genuine partisan problem at the state department. No one Bush could get nothing done. And these are the people entrusted to keep secrets!? Apparently not if they didn't vote for the guy.

No doubt I'm naive but I do think that career civil servants should be apolitical. I know that this was expected in the Army and I think it should be the standard for government service - except for elected officials of course - but then, they are supposed to be political. that's why they're elected.
Don't know how you'd enforce it among the CS bunch......other than to make outward signs of partisanship actionable.

572 jcm  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 12:14:00pm

re: #546 lawhawk

Strange how you lead such a charmed life....

That's a strange comment.

573 Digital Display  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 12:14:24pm

re: #528 LudwigVanQuixote

Perhaps I am asking for trouble, but I am curious... How is Mandy like a compactified extra dimension - or a resonance in one?

By living in 11 dimensions as a microscopic string that vibrates at a certain frequency..
or she is just plain cute

574 Occasional Reader  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 12:14:25pm

re: #560 Dianna

I'm unable to upding,

Have you tried Levitra?

575 Killgore Trout  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 12:14:30pm

re: #557 lawhawk

There are simmering tensions....
Rabbo Accuses Hamas Of New Atrocities Against Fatah Members In Gaza.

Secretary of the PLO Executive Committee Yasser Abd Rabbo Accuses Hamas of New Atrocities against Fatah Members in Gaza

It might boil over.

576 jcm  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 12:14:37pm

re: #566 newsjunkie_ky

$4.19 BILLION for acorn.
Good Gawd!

Next election, 500 million votes will be cast, Obama will win with 80% of the vote.

577 A Kiwi Infidel  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 12:14:40pm

I am coming in late to this thread and am sure someone will have already made this statement;

If the arabs claim the holocaust never happened, then how can they hope for ANOTHER holocaust?

Just asking.............

578 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 12:14:46pm

re: #546 lawhawk

Strange how you lead such a charmed life....

Large Hardon Collider.... Sorry, mind went to the gutter.... But it would certainly be the title of a string theory pr0n movie.

579 Occasional Reader  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 12:15:49pm

re: #572 jcm

That's a strange comment.

Strange comments just seem to stick like gluon me.

580 Outrider  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 12:16:06pm

re: #571 LGoPs

No doubt I'm naive but I do think that career civil servants should be apolitical. I know that this was expected in the Army and I think it should be the standard for government service - except for elected officials of course - but then, they are supposed to be political. that's why they're elected.
Don't know how you'd enforce it among the CS bunch......other than to make outward signs of partisanship actionable.

shoot. the State Department has never been apolitical. They have always gone to the left. Why? I don't know.

581 NelsFree  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 12:16:27pm

My God. I watched the video of bodies being bulldozed and thought, " How many Nobel Prize winners could there have been? How many entrepreneurs creating jobs?" Sadness...beyond words.

582 Occasional Reader  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 12:16:31pm

re: #566 newsjunkie_ky

$4.19 BILLION for acorn.
Good Gawd!

Source?

583 Kenneth  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 12:16:40pm

I thought Hilary's outfit looked familiar... she must of bought it from the Paklids!

584 Oh no...Sand People!  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 12:16:49pm

re: #571 LGoPs

No doubt I'm naive but I do think that career civil servants should be apolitical. I know that this was expected in the Army and I think it should be the standard for government service - except for elected officials of course - but then, they are supposed to be political. that's why they're elected.
Don't know how you'd enforce it among the CS bunch......other than to make outward signs of partisanship actionable.

I've read a few books by Richard Marcinko / Demo Dick. In one of his books he talks about the real 'power players' in congress and government. The unvoted on secretaries and aids who have been there for YEARS... I really wonder how much power they truly hold. It gives me pause, that's for sure.

585 Kenneth  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 12:17:01pm

re: #566 newsjunkie_ky

$4.19 BILLION for acorn.
Good Gawd!

Holy F*CK!

586 LeePro  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 12:17:08pm

re: #437 Kenneth

BBC headline: Israel launches attacks in Gaza

That would be in response to THIS...
Israeli soldier killed, Gaza truce breached
...wouldn't it?

587 bulwrk  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 12:17:14pm

re: #537 Sunlight

Thanks for the link.

588 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 12:17:24pm

re: #582 Occasional Reader

Source?


[Link: www.topix.com...]

589 Haverwilde  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 12:17:33pm

re: #580 Outrider

shoot. the State Department has never been apolitical. They have always gone to the left. Why? I don't know.

Even George W's DOJ was in the hands of leftists.

590 Age Of Freedom  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 12:17:48pm

re: #496 Killgore Trout

Here's the video we were talking about the other day.....
Former Guantanamo Prisoners Threaten Western And Arab Countries.

In the end of that satanic video (which I saw muted), one of the bearded ghouls threaten one of the Saudi leaders that he will be getting a message (aka a hand grenade) that he will never forget. What a fucking dumb terrorist. "I will kill you, so you won't forget what I did to you".

God dammit, somebody just bomb those little retarded fremen nazis.

591 baconeatingkaffir  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 12:18:00pm

re: #229 Cato the Elder

Some Muslims do, yes. By no means all. It is the others that Obama is trying to reach. To do that is not stupid; it is smart.

Reports from Iran suggest that discontent with the mullah regime is boiling hard just below the surface. Should we write those people off (most of them young, most of them fed up to the teeth with political Islam)? I think we should try to encourage them.


I have to agree with you there I have had quite a few Iranian students here in Turkey. They enjoy heated debates over beer. They feel open to criticize things they dont like. I asked them about a woman I saw on the Iranian sattelite channel who was wearing a headscarf while reading the news. They told me that nobody believes the bullshit that the government puts out and only the true government people are the ones who go along to get along with it all.. and even they have liquor stashed at home and like to watch porn. (their words not mine!)

592 Outrider  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 12:18:13pm

re: #584 Oh no...Sand People!

I've read a few books by Richard Marcinko / Demo Dick. In one of his books he talks about the real 'power players' in congress and government. The unvoted on secretaries and aids who have been there for YEARS... I really wonder how much power they truly hold. It gives me pause, that's for sure.

Presidents come and go. The Bureaucracy is forever. The Chosen One will discover this sooner or later.

593 DEZes  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 12:18:17pm

Whether the commenter in the film is so stupid that he can't understand history, or that he is using it as propaganda. (I vote both) is irrelevant.
Its his shear glee that I find the most most disturbing.
He is actually enjoying the footage being shown, praising mass murder, torture, starvation, mutilation and despair.
As has been so astutely pointed out by Zombie, this jerk finds sexual stimulation in snuff films, its a sickness I simply cannot comprehend.
Israel has to deal with these sick twisted psychopaths on a daily basis, and yet they never give up or sink to the enemies level, Maybe there is a lesson there.

594 Cognito  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 12:18:23pm

This fellow seems to look on the actions of the Germans on their Jewish 'oppressors' as a sign of their righteousness: Because the Germans had power, they must have been right. Apparently he has not reached the end of that particular textbook, yet.

595 jcm  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 12:18:27pm

re: #579 Occasional Reader

Strange comments just seem to stick like gluon me.

That's a weak, it's if you what to lurk at the bottom, it's up to you.

596 tfc3rid  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 12:18:36pm

re: #566 newsjunkie_ky

$4.19 BILLION for acorn.
Good Gawd!

It's a nice thank you gift, isn't it?

597 Ben Hur  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 12:18:39pm

re: #528 LudwigVanQuixote

Perhaps I am asking for trouble, but I am curious... How is Mandy like a compactified extra dimension - or a resonance in one?

The last person that actually attempted, exploded.

598 subsailor68  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 12:18:49pm

re: #581 NelsFree

My God. I watched the video of bodies being bulldozed and thought, " How many Nobel Prize winners could there have been? How many entrepreneurs creating jobs?" Sadness...beyond words.

So utterly tragic and true. One name that comes to mind: Itzak Perlman. Think how much we'd have lost if - Heaven forbid - he'd never been born.

599 Occasional Reader  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 12:18:50pm

re: #578 LudwigVanQuixote

Large Hardon Collider.... Sorry, mind went to the gutter.... But it would certainly be the title of a string theory pr0n movie.

Could we stick to more important political topics, please? Such as... Boehner complaining that the condoms in Obama's package won't provide a stimulus. Stuff like that.

600 Ben Hur  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 12:19:09pm

Attempted to explain, I meant.

601 abolitionist  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 12:19:16pm

re: #577 A Kiwi Infidel

I am coming in late to this thread and am sure someone will have already made this statement;

If the arabs claim the holocaust never happened, then how can they hope for ANOTHER holocaust?

Just asking.............

Pious Mohamedians are not very big fans of logic.

602 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 12:19:49pm

OT -

Is there a source for the whole payout package that O'bambi is proposing? I mean a line for line list of the money he wants and where it is going?

It seems like such a simple request. I know if I was working out a budget, I could produce a list of budget items.

603 avanti  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 12:19:55pm

re: #559 Walter L. Newton

What. Most of the world knew what Hitler was up to, through most of the 30's. Most of the world tried to turn away and ignore what was happening.

The western worlds response, up to the time we entered the war, was just like we are responding today.

Read up on history a bit.


It was a sad history, we had bigger fish to fry apparently and turned the other way. The refusal to accept refugees and the conduct of the Catholc church were all qustionable.
It was a different world back then, many more folks that just not care about the Jews.

604 Dianna  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 12:20:04pm

Is anyone else having trouble with their comment-dinging buttons?

605 Kenneth  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 12:20:16pm

Noam Schalit in Paris: Sarkozy says Gilad is alive in Gaza

After meeting French president, soldier's father says issue of release "complex;" French lawmaker hints freeing Schalit related to Gaza cease-fire.
606 jwb7605  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 12:20:16pm

re: #596 tfc3rid

It's a nice thank you gift, isn't it?

Government controlled voting.
Why stop with the banks?

607 Oh no...Sand People!  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 12:20:36pm

re: #592 Outrider

Presidents come and go. The Bureaucracy is forever. The Chosen One will discover this sooner or later.

Or it discovered him first...

/oooh. What came first...the chicken or the egg? Hmm..

608 Occasional Reader  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 12:20:44pm

re: #595 jcm

That's a weak, it's if you what to lurk at the bottom, it's up to you.

I knew you'd try to put some ridiculous spin on my post. Stop being such a Bohr.

609 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 12:20:48pm

re: #477 jcm

From the Stupid Tax of the Day File.

Fife, considers warehouse door tax

How many ways can we drive business away?
Let me count the doors.

I'd rebuild the warehouse to have one door, and several loading docks inside. No doors on them.

610 jcm  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 12:20:51pm

re: #604 Dianna

Is anyone else having trouble with their comment-dinging buttons?

No, ding you just find.
Reload.....

611 LGoPs  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 12:21:00pm

re: #584 Oh no...Sand People!

I've read a few books by Richard Marcinko / Demo Dick. In one of his books he talks about the real 'power players' in congress and government. The unvoted on secretaries and aids who have been there for YEARS... I really wonder how much power they truly hold. It gives me pause, that's for sure.

Oh I have no doubt they are the real power behind the throne. I work as a defense contractor for a government office and the permanent GS guys are the true decision makers while the uniformed guys that pass thru are generally figureheads.
All the more reason to demand that the bureaucrats be apolitical - otherwise you have a shadow government running things, unaccountably.......

612 jwb7605  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 12:21:05pm

re: #604 Dianna

Is anyone else having trouble with their comment-dinging buttons?


nope. I dinged you, just to check.

613 [deleted]  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 12:21:08pm
614 Eowyn2  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 12:21:27pm

re: #101 CyanSnowHawk

Porn for all its faults, is a reflection of our drive to procreate. I don't understand where videos such as this come from.

testimony to the drive to destroy. Not available in all persons.

615 Dianna  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 12:21:28pm

re: #574 Occasional Reader

Have you tried Levitra?

That would be rather useless, since it's for males.

616 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 12:21:29pm

re: #594 Cognito

This fellow seems to look on the actions of the Germans on their Jewish 'oppressors' as a sign of their righteousness: Because the Germans had power, they must have been right. Apparently he has not reached the end of that particular textbook, yet.

Oh bullshit, he knows how it ended. Is this your way of suggesting that the idiot is not responsible for what he is saying?

617 Occasional Reader  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 12:21:30pm

re: #604 Dianna

Is anyone else having trouble with their comment-dinging buttons?

I had a moment in which they sort of multiplied up and down the page. Weirod. Reload the page, grasshopper.

618 Oh no...Sand People!  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 12:21:48pm

re: #578 LudwigVanQuixote

Large Hardon Collider.... Sorry, mind went to the gutter.... But it would certainly be the title of a string theory pr0n movie.

The Devil in Marie Curie...

"It glows!"

/sorry...

619 MrSilverDragon  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 12:21:56pm

re: #608 Occasional Reader

I knew you'd try to put some ridiculous spin on my post. Stop being such a Bohr.

I Niels to your witticisms.

620 Sharmuta  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 12:22:25pm

re: #604 Dianna

Is anyone else having trouble with their comment-dinging buttons?

No- have you tried refreshing the page?

621 Sunlight  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 12:22:26pm

re: #587 bulwrk

Thanks for the link.

Undoubtedly not as rewarding in this situation as the IDF Foreign Brigade, but it sounds like it is what they need right now since the Israeli govt pointed it out to AussieDave. I do hope AussieDave or some accountant he may know will make sure the $$ go where they are supposed to (re: Madoff procedure)...

622 hazzyday  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 12:22:28pm

Islam - worst religion ever. Surpassing satanism these days.

I agree with the ultra left. Scratch a moderate muslim enough and they will seethe and become a violent jihadi. There is no goodwill to humankind in Islam. It's goodwill only to muslims.

623 Outrider  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 12:22:34pm

re: #602 Walter L. Newton

OT -

Is there a source for the whole payout package that O'bambi is proposing? I mean a line for line list of the money he wants and where it is going?

It seems like such a simple request. I know if I was working out a budget, I could produce a list of budget items.

I just did a thread on this. Here is a link to the Act itself. It is PDF.

624 Cognito  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 12:22:35pm

re: #616 Walter L. Newton

Oh bullshit, he knows how it ended. Is this your way of suggesting that the idiot is not responsible for what he is saying?

Relax. No need for contortions.

625 newsjunkie_ky  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 12:22:53pm

re: #570 opnion

Obama is despertae for Republican support. He does not want to own failure by himself, if things go bad.
The whole package is laden with pork & welfare.


So true. That is one reason he asked Gates to stay on. If things go bad the 0 wants to try to blame President Bush.

626 jorline  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 12:22:56pm

re: #566 newsjunkie_ky

$4.19 BILLION for acorn.
Good Gawd!

And how much did they get from the DMZ DNC and the Obama campaign?

627 Occasional Reader  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 12:23:01pm

re: #615 Dianna

That would be rather useless, since it's for males.

Then how can you have an upding problem?

628 Spare O'Lake  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 12:23:07pm

re: #567 Cato the Elder

Personal insults will get you far here.

Your first post was a classic. Your second makes your first look like sweet reason.

I answered your challenge in the open. That's cowardly? My down-ding is there for all to see. That's craven?

You don't answer my first response, but move on to other accusations and personal insullts. That seems to me a bit on the evasive side, if not an act of pusillanimity.

Have the courtesy to be respectful or you will find yourself talking to no one at all.

With all due respect, this is not about you or LeePro.
If you are what you claim then you would appreciate the sentiment that these monstrosities must be viewed repeatedly in order to promote and preserve the truth.
Besides, this particular video is unique in that it is overlaid with Arab anti-semitic propoganda, and so it is not simply a rehash of holocaust footage.
BTW I find it hard to believe that someone with your credentials would not have watched the entire video.
The video should be viewed by everyone.

629 Kenneth  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 12:23:14pm

re: #608 Occasional Reader

I knew you'd try to put some ridiculous spin on my post. Stop being such a Bohr.

Just stop it you two, or I'll get to the bottom of it!

630 Creeping Eruption  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 12:23:43pm

re: #584 Oh no...Sand People!

I've read a few books by Richard Marcinko / Demo Dick. In one of his books he talks about the real 'power players' in congress and government. The unvoted on secretaries and aids who have been there for YEARS... I really wonder how much power they truly hold. It gives me pause, that's for sure.

When I go to a new job, the first thing I do is make nice to the secretaries and the janitors of the office building. They are the ones who actually get things done and if you start off on the wrong foot, they can make your life miserable.

631 Eowyn2  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 12:23:44pm

re: #566 newsjunkie_ky

$4.19 BILLION for acorn.
Good Gawd!

source please?

632 newsjunkie_ky  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 12:23:55pm

re: #576 jcm

Next election, 500 million votes will be cast, Obama will win with 80% of the vote.

That's what he is counting on by giving them so much money to further 'organize'. SPIT

633 MandyManners  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 12:24:08pm

re: #492 Cato the Elder

Mandy, why did you upding a post that is viciously and ignorantly insulting to me personally? LeePro could have made her point without hurling six derogations up front.

Please see my reply to her.

Same goes for you, avanti and yma o hyd.

I thought we were better than that.

I am guilty of blooping over the first sentence, and up-dinged the rest of her post. I apologize for not reading the whole thing.

634 Cato the Elder  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 12:24:33pm

re: #581 NelsFree

My God. I watched the video of bodies being bulldozed and thought, " How many Nobel Prize winners could there have been? How many entrepreneurs creating jobs?" Sadness...beyond words.

Nels, this goes back to a thread several days ago, but I don't think you saw it, and wanted to get your response.

re: #1021 NelsFree

Muslims are required to learn the Qu'ran (correct spelling) AND to learn Arabic in order to understand it. The ones who don't are, once again, Infidels. SILENCE! Sorry, that slipped out.

That's simply not true. The only requirement to be a Muslim is to say the shahada and follow the five pillars. Many ordinary non-Arab Muslims know a smattering of phrases in Arabic, and not much else. That does NOT make them infidels. If it did, there would be far fewer Muslims in the world.

The fact is that the Arabic in the Koran has very little in common with demotic Arabic. Many of the "reciters" (the boys who learn the whole Koran by heart), even the Arabic speakers, do not know what it is they're reciting. I can learn from rote repetition how to chant "Beowulf" all the way through and still not know Old English!

And scholars estimate that something like one fifth to one sixth of the Koran is, frankly, just plain incomprehensible even to those steeped in Classical Arabic. There are similar cases in the Hebrew and Christian Bibles where we just don't know what a word or phrase actually means, especially if it's a hapax legomenon, but the incidence of such puzzles is far higher in the Koran.

So, to recapitulate: You do NOT have to learn Arabic to be a Muslim, and many of those Indonesian and Afghani boys in the madrassahs have NO IDEA what they're chanting. If you say the shahada (Lā ilaha illa al-Lāh, Muhammadun rasūlu l-Lāh) and endeavor to follow the pillars, you are a Muslim.

Oh, and the "correct spelling" is not "Qu'ran" but "Qur'an" - although since it's a transliteration, even "Koran" (or in Gibbon's day, "Coran") will do perfectly well.

635 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 12:25:05pm

re: #608 Occasional Reader

I knew you'd try to put some ridiculous spin on my post. Stop being such a Bohr.

You should stop trying to Fermi-ent trouble.

636 baconeatingkaffir  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 12:25:05pm

re: #630 Creeping Eruption

When I go to a new job, the first thing I do is make nice to the secretaries and the janitors of the office building. They are the ones who actually get things done and if you start off on the wrong foot, they can make your life miserable.

I gotta agree on that one. Rumor has it that at the uni I work for the rector has a quarterly meeting with the janitors and the "tea ladies" and photocopy guys.

637 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 12:25:08pm

re: #603 avanti

It was a sad history, we had bigger fish to fry apparently and turned the other way. The refusal to accept refugees and the conduct of the Catholc church were all qustionable.
It was a different world back then, many more folks that just not care about the Jews.

Yes, that bigger fish to fry, here, was a nationwide interest in socialism. It was popular, and FDR and his New Deal policies were not so new except in the sense that it was new policies in America.

Europe recognized FDR and his New Deal, it's was the same as the old deal that they had set up for themselves.

No more than the Jews did not fit into the plans of certain people in Europe, they were on the back burner here.

638 jcm  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 12:25:11pm

re: #608 Occasional Reader

I knew you'd try to put some ridiculous spin on my post. Stop being such a Bohr.

Don't be a boson, we can't tau if your serious or Stinky should Teller you to muon.

639 yma o hyd  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 12:25:15pm

re: #591 baconeatingkaffir

That sounds to me like the situation during the last days of the various communist regimes in the former Warsaw Bloc.

I'll never forget the pictures on TV of those East Germans, in a mass demo, literally daring the Communist government to call in the Soviet tanks.
They shouted, translated 'We are the people!'

Nowadays, I sometimes wish we had the same courage vis-a-vis our governments ... and I think that there is indeed an ever increasing groundswell against the mad mullahs in Iran.

640 Sharmuta  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 12:25:32pm

re: #613 Iron Fist

My point was these people are fighting the wrong battle. They are wasting resources they could put towards enlightening others on THIS threat. It's their right as Americans, but I have less respect for them because of it.

641 Ben Hur  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 12:25:49pm

Most in the Arab world are illiterate.

This "cleric" is hiding the talking doll.

642 Kenneth  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 12:26:02pm

re: #615 Dianna

That would be rather useless, since it's for males.

Actually, the drug has similar effect on women. A friend of mine tried Viagra and said she "felt like a man".

So she went and had one.

643 Cognito  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 12:26:10pm

re: #634 Cato the Elder

Oh, and the "correct spelling" is not "Qu'ran" but "Qur'an" - although since it's a transliteration, even "Koran" (or in Gibbon's day, "Coran") will do perfectly well.

Indeed. Drives me nuts when people argue over the 'correct' spellings of Arabic words in English.

644 hazzyday  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 12:26:17pm

re: #616 Walter L. Newton

Oh bullshit, he knows how it ended. Is this your way of suggesting that the idiot is not responsible for what he is saying?

Should you be using the term bullshit? I find that objectionable when you are calling other people out on their language usage? I think you should make your strong points without fowl language. Maybe leave the cluebats to Mandy.

645 baconeatingkaffir  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 12:26:23pm

re: #634 Cato the Elder

That's simply not true. The only requirement to be a Muslim is to say the shahada and follow the five pillars. Many ordinary non-Arab Muslims know a smattering of phrases in Arabic, and not much else. That does NOT make them infidels. If it did, there would be far fewer Muslims in the world.

The fact is that the Arabic in the Koran has very little in common with demotic Arabic. Many of the "reciters" (the boys who learn the whole Koran by heart), even the Arabic speakers, do not know what it is they're reciting. I can learn from rote repetition how to chant "Beowulf" all the way through and still not know Old English!

And scholars estimate that something like one fifth to one sixth of the Koran is, frankly, just plain incomprehensible even to those steeped in Classical Arabic. There are similar cases in the Hebrew and Christian Bibles where we just don't know what a word or phrase actually means, especially if it's a hapax legomenon, but the incidence of such puzzles is far higher in the Koran.

So, to recapitulate: You do NOT have to learn Arabic to be a Muslim, and many of those Indonesian and Afghani boys in the madrassahs have NO IDEA what they're chanting. If you say the shahada (Lā ilaha illa al-Lāh, Muhammadun rasūlu l-Lāh) and endeavor to follow the pillars, you are a Muslim.

Oh, and the "correct spelling" is not "Qu'ran" but "Qur'an" - although since it's a transliteration, even "Koran" (or in Gibbon's day, "Coran") will do perfectly well.

Alot of my students can read the koran but alot of them dont know what it means. "I could be ordering dominos takeaway" is what one of my students told me. Althought this new generation usually frightens me I do see some bright lights now and then.

646 MandyManners  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 12:26:32pm

re: #456 Cato the Elder

Wow, six insults before you get to the heart of the matter. Way to argue!

Who are you to tell me what to watch? I have been a student of the Holocaust all my life. I am one of the three translators of the definitive book on the genocidal Nazi legal system, published by the Johns Hopkins University Press together with the Holocaust Memorial Museum in Washington. There were parts of that book that I could barely stand to read, much less translate, but I did. You have absolutely no call to speak to me that way, and I challenge you to get to know the people here before you spout off like an arrogant, holier-than-thou virago.

I refuse to watch this video because I've seen it in many forms and many guises. I refuse to watch this video because I don't need to be sickened for the hundredth time by evil that is all too familiar to me.

And you? What are your credentials?

How was Lee to know this?!

647 Ben Hur  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 12:26:35pm

re: #634 Cato the Elder

Just kidding

648 Blue Pinky  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 12:26:38pm

re: #580 Outrider

shoot. the State Department has never been apolitical. They have always gone to the left. Why? I don't know.

Well, I think it's simple. They are diplomats. They will always favor diplomacy even when it's obvious that diplomacy is counter-productive. They are opposed to action, even when it's obvious action is called for. they want to talk it out. Always. It's their job.

649 Sunlight  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 12:26:38pm

re: #578 LudwigVanQuixote

Large Hardon Collider.... Sorry, mind went to the gutter.... But it would certainly be the title of a string theory pr0n movie.

My favorite youtube video of all time!

650 subsailor68  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 12:26:44pm

re: #631 Eowyn2

source please?

Fox News Story

This is where it came from. The post was a little misleading, as the total is the total. Acorn is just eligible for some of it now.

651 newsjunkie_ky  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 12:26:55pm

re: #582 Occasional Reader

Source?

$4.19 billion for acorn.

652 lawhawk  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 12:27:02pm

re: #623 Outrider

The full text of the bill is actually here (HR 1 / SB 1). It's a mess to read through, but Obey's presser just highlights amounts that they want people to see.

653 [deleted]  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 12:27:13pm
654 Occasional Reader  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 12:27:17pm

re: #634 Cato the Elder

how to chant "Beowulf" all the way through and still not know Old English!

You're not missing anything. That stuff tastes terrible.

655 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 12:27:20pm

re: #623 Outrider

I just did a thread on this. Here is a link to the Act itself. It is PDF.

Thanks. I saved it as Obama_new_deal.pdf, should be easy to find that way.

656 Eowyn2  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 12:27:20pm

re: #616 Walter L. Newton

Oh bullshit, he knows how it ended. Is this your way of suggesting that the idiot is not responsible for what he is saying?

I think he just forgot his / tag.

657 baconeatingkaffir  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 12:27:49pm

re: #651 newsjunkie_ky

$4.19 billion for acorn.

That must be one hell of a rich squirrel!

658 yma o hyd  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 12:27:50pm

re: #594 Cognito

This fellow seems to look on the actions of the Germans on their Jewish 'oppressors' as a sign of their righteousness: Because the Germans had power, they must have been right. Apparently he has not reached the end of that particular textbook, yet.

Weeellll - he probably just skimmed over that little 'unpleasantness', and sees that afterwards, they got powerful again, faster than the enemies who defeated them, like France and the UK.
For people like him, that looks like a price well worth paying.

Gah.

659 Sharmuta  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 12:28:13pm

re: #643 Cognito

Your pretentiousness gets really old.

660 Cato the Elder  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 12:28:23pm

re: #628 Spare O'Lake

With all due respect, this is not about you or LeePro.
If you are what you claim then you would appreciate the sentiment that these monstrosities must be viewed repeatedly in order to promote and preserve the truth.
Besides, this particular video is unique in that it is overlaid with Arab anti-semitic propoganda, and so it is not simply a rehash of holocaust footage.
BTW I find it hard to believe that someone with your credentials would not have watched the entire video.
The video should be viewed by everyone.

As I said, I've seen it all. If someone calls your mother a nasty epithet, and spews filth all over your family name, and you have heard it all before, and then someone else comes along and says "look at this video calling your mother a whore", it seems to me a legitimate option to skip over it. What is to be learned by hearing it again. I really have seen it all.

And besides, I have a tendency to high blood pressure.

661 newsjunkie_ky  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 12:28:27pm

re: #596 tfc3rid

It's a nice thank you gift, isn't it?


That's what it is exactly. A PAYBACK for all the fraudulent votes they provided.

662 Cognito  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 12:28:35pm

re: #656 Eowyn2

I think he just forgot his / tag.

Not needed. Anyone with half a mind could understand that post.

663 Dianna  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 12:28:36pm

re: #612 jwb7605

nope. I dinged you, just to check.

Huh.

I tried to upding you, and couldn't.

So the problem's probably on my end of things.

Odd.

664 subsailor68  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 12:28:39pm

re: #657 baconeatingkaffir

That must be one hell of a rich squirrel!

Well, I heard that since the market dropped, his nuts are in a real bind.

665 Desert Dog  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 12:28:42pm

This "cleric" looks like Patchy the Pirate from Sponge Bob. I think Patchy is a tad more intelligent though.....

666 MandyManners  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 12:28:49pm

re: #582 Occasional Reader

Source?

Someone posted the link yesterday. I'll look.

667 jwb7605  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 12:28:50pm

re: #644 hazzyday

Should you be using the term bullshit? I find that objectionable when you are calling other people out on their language usage? I think you should make your strong points without fowl language. Maybe leave the cluebats to Mandy.

Walter doesn't speak like a bird.
Occasionally, I've heard (seen) him use foul language.

He quite appropriately called bullshit.

668 Kenneth  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 12:28:53pm

re: #634 Cato the Elder

Very true. Most Muslims do not speak a word of Arabic and understand next to nothing of the Koran, aside from "Allahu Akbar!" which, of course, is Arabic for "That blowed up real good!"

669 Occasional Reader  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 12:29:22pm

re: #643 Cognito

Indeed. Drives me nuts when people argue over the 'correct' spellings of Arabic words in English.

Back when I lived in Peru, there was this silly controversy about whether Cuzco should be renamed with its "correct" name of Q'osco (or something like that). Uh... kids... the Incas had no written language (much less one that used the Roman alphabet).

670 Outrider  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 12:29:26pm

re: #648 Blue Pinky

Well, I think it's simple. They are diplomats. They will always favor diplomacy even when it's obvious that diplomacy is counter-productive. They are opposed to action, even when it's obvious action is called for. they want to talk it out. Always. It's their job.

that is probably it. conciliatory by nature.

671 Cognito  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 12:29:34pm

re: #659 Sharmuta

Your pretentiousness gets really old.

Because I agreed with another poster's take on Arabic-English transliteration?

If that's pretense, so be it. I suggest skipping my comments.

672 MandyManners  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 12:29:38pm

Never mind.

673 Dianna  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 12:29:55pm

re: #617 Occasional Reader

I had a moment in which they sort of multiplied up and down the page. Weirod. Reload the page, grasshopper.

I did that four times.

I suspect my problem's on this end, not on LGF's.

674 jwb7605  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 12:30:03pm

re: #671 Cognito

Because I agreed with another poster's take on Arabic-English transliteration?

If that's pretense, so be it. I suggest skipping my comments.

we usually do.

675 WriterMom  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 12:30:23pm

re: #566 newsjunkie_ky

LINKY PLEASE

676 jcm  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 12:30:23pm

re: #673 Dianna

I did that four times.

I suspect my problem's on this end, not on LGF's.

Which browser?

677 ShalomMets  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 12:30:28pm

re: #22 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

They say this with a straight face and without a hint of irony. Perhaps they don't even notice the contradiction. And these are the people we are supposing to be negotiating with?

678 J.S.  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 12:30:28pm

re: #540 avanti

avanti, I just did a quick check using google -- and, according to most "experts" in Holocaust Studies, Abbas was, indeed, a Holocaust denier when he wrote his PhD thesis...However, he has since recanted his thesis...See Deborah Lipstadt's blog here...

679 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 12:30:38pm

re: #669 Occasional Reader

Back when I lived in Peru, there was this silly controversy about whether Cuzco should be renamed with its "correct" name of Q'osco (or something like that). Uh... kids... the Incas had no written language (much less one that used the Roman alphabet).

Is there a Costco in Cuzco?

680 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 12:30:40pm

re: #644 hazzyday

Should you be using the term bullshit? I find that objectionable when you are calling other people out on their language usage? I think you should make your strong points without fowl language. Maybe leave the cluebats to Mandy.

Hey jerk. The word used the other day was the "c" word. It is one of those words that are JUST NOT USED, do you understand that, or are so dense.

If you haven't notice, foul language is used here all the time. But you probably (or maybe not) have notice that there are certain words that just don't fly here.

Well, guess what, that word is one of them.

If you don't like foul language, then don't use it. If you don't like my language, don't read my posts, but get a clue jerk.

681 Buck  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 12:30:52pm

re: #448 Killgore Trout

That was me. I posted the video on dkos.

I just can't seem to shake the feelings of doom. When people who are free and educated can't see this for what it is...

The person who made that comment never watched the video. He just reacted to the word holocaust. As in his judgment that is should never be discussed.

682 Occasional Reader  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 12:31:09pm

re: #651 newsjunkie_ky

$4.19 billion for acorn.

provides $4.19 billion for "neighborhood stabilization activities."

What a lovely euphemism. Makes me think of brown shirts.

683 [deleted]  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 12:31:24pm
684 Sharmuta  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 12:31:24pm

re: #671 Cognito

Your #624.

685 avanti  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 12:31:32pm

re:

686 Cognito  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 12:31:34pm

re: #669 Occasional Reader

Back when I lived in Peru, there was this silly controversy about whether Cuzco should be renamed with its "correct" name of Q'osco (or something like that). Uh... kids... the Incas had no written language (much less one that used the Roman alphabet).

Exactly so. And besides. The true spelling is "Costco."

687 BatGuano  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 12:31:37pm

re: #545 abolitionist

Abolitionist, I think we have the same opinion of Hitler and the Nazi party and I have only read parts of Mein Kampf. If what I posted in any way gave you or anyone else the impression that I was trying to minimize the enormities of what Germany did to the Jews I sincerely apologize. Hitler and the Nazi era were the nadir of western civilization. I was looking at it from a 21st century point of view which has mass communication and I don't think that Hitler announced the holocaust over the airwaves.

688 NelsFree  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 12:31:44pm

re: #574 Occasional Reader

Have you tried Levitra?

My Sister, Alice, her Husband uses Levitra. I'll Cialis about it.

689 Cato the Elder  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 12:31:46pm

re: #628 Spare O'Lake

With all due respect, this is not about you or LeePro.

And, with all due respect, this person opened with six vicious, personal insults before making her point. I would have taken the point with good grace and probably not bothered to respond, without the insults.

There is a certain form we tend to observe around here. Hurling epithets does not forward discussion, and it is precisely where there is disagreement that polite discussion is needed.

690 baconeatingkaffir  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 12:31:58pm

re: #639 yma o hyd

That sounds to me like the situation during the last days of the various communist regimes in the former Warsaw Bloc.

I'll never forget the pictures on TV of those East Germans, in a mass demo, literally daring the Communist government to call in the Soviet tanks.
They shouted, translated 'We are the people!'

Nowadays, I sometimes wish we had the same courage vis-a-vis our governments ... and I think that there is indeed an ever increasing groundswell against the mad mullahs in Iran.


Me too. The politicans would shake in their boots and the media would wet themselves if people actually did march on the powers that be like the East Germans did. I think Levis, jack daniels, houseparties and sattelite tv are going to do more damage to Iran than any diplomatic or military activity.

691 Outrider  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 12:32:09pm

re: #652 lawhawk

The full text of the bill is actually here (HR 1 / SB 1). It's a mess to read through, but Obey's presser just highlights amounts that they want people to see.

yes, thanks. My copy is the one that was put on line last week. This version is the one that was introduced formally on Monday.

692 shaker  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 12:32:09pm

Other than the outright lying and sheer stupidity of this primitive, there is a quality that is unique to the Arab mind. That quality is the inability to empathize, even a little bit, with the suffering of other peoples.

693 newsjunkie_ky  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 12:32:19pm

re: #650 subsailor68

Fox News Story

This is where it came from. The post was a little misleading, as the total is the total. Acorn is just eligible for some of it now.


"neighborhood stabilization activities." and who do you think they mean?

694 Mutt  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 12:32:21pm

How could this still be happening? I'm shocked.

695 [deleted]  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 12:32:22pm
696 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 12:32:37pm

re: #662 Cognito

Not needed. Anyone with half a mind could understand that post.

Well, other folks have questioned it, so I guess we are all just idiots. You are totally aware of the tone of ALL YOUR COMMENTS and you know exactly what kind of reaction you will get here.

So, stop playing innocent with us. If you are going to post poop like this, at least be honest enough to fess' up to what you are doing.

697 yma o hyd  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 12:32:53pm

re: #605 Kenneth

Noam Schalit in Paris: Sarkozy says Gilad is alive in Gaza

Does Sarkozy know Gilad is alive? Has he seen him?
Or has he instead swallowed a good dose of Hamas propaganda?

And how is Gilad's release tied up with the 'cease fire'? Hamas being allowed to rearm, fire more Grad and Fajr missiles, bomb Tel Aviv and Jerusalem and then perhaps think about releasing him if Israel refrains from defending herself?

Thats so sick.

698 Blue Pinky  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 12:33:06pm

re: #659 Sharmuta

Best. Name. Ever.
/thumbsup

699 Outrider  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 12:33:13pm

re: #655 Walter L. Newton

Thanks. I saved it as Obama_new_deal.pdf, should be easy to find that way.

see lawhawk #652 for the version that was introduced as the formal bill.

700 subsailor68  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 12:33:24pm

re: #693 newsjunkie_ky

"neighborhood stabilization activities." and who do you think they mean?

Oh yeah, I'm with ya on that. (Just don't think even O has the balls to give 'em the whole 4 bil.)

:-)

701 LGoPs  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 12:33:27pm

re: #648 Blue Pinky

Well, I think it's simple. They are diplomats. They will always favor diplomacy even when it's obvious that diplomacy is counter-productive. They are opposed to action, even when it's obvious action is called for. they want to talk it out. Always. It's their job.

Not jumping you, but their job is to instantiate and implement the policy of the elected President of the United States - whoever he is. It is not their job to undermine him and intiate their own policies.......

702 Cognito  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 12:33:33pm

re: #684 Sharmuta

Your #624.

Oh, please.

Just downding it.

703 Sharmuta  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 12:33:39pm

re: #698 Blue Pinky

Thanks!

704 Kenneth  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 12:33:52pm

re: #682 Occasional Reader

provides $4.19 billion for "neighborhood stabilization activities."

another term for "ethnic cleansing"?

705 hazzyday  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 12:33:54pm

re: #667 jwb7605

Walter doesn't speak like a bird.
Occasionally, I've heard (seen) him use foul language.

He quite appropriately called bullshit.

Nah he is better arguing without the invective. He can talk quite intelligently. It's a personal release for him. I was just egging him on.

706 WriterMom  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 12:33:57pm

re: #651 newsjunkie_ky

Holy farking shiite.

707 Sharmuta  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 12:34:00pm

re: #702 Cognito

Oh, please.

Just downding it.

I don't need your permission.

708 baconeatingkaffir  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 12:34:14pm

re: #695 buzzsawmonkey

#683, continued

The inclusion-denier, by blurring the distinction between the labor camp and the death camp, and by lumping together the death tolls of both, in effect turns a blind eye to the racism at the heart of the Nazi ideology. This is the same act which, before the war, permitted the Nazis to embark on their program of discrimination and demonization which in the end made the gas chambers possible.

So you mean those photos of buchenwald my grandad took in the war were falsified (sarc). How is it people can deny an actual event but support the right of a country whıch never existed like palestine?

709 opnion  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 12:34:19pm

re: #625 newsjunkie_ky

So true. That is one reason he asked Gates to stay on. If things go bad the 0 wants to try to blame President Bush.

The joke is that Obama is keeping Bush on as the Fall Guy.
That can't last forever & he will have to get all supernatural & solve all problems. Unicorns for everybody!

710 itellu3times  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 12:34:31pm

re: #3 buzzsawmonkey

But the American public these days has the attention span of a gnat, especially for unpleasant stuff.

I agree that it needs to get out, but showing hour or three long documentaries, just isn't happenin' enough for current consumption.

Anyway, half or more of the public thinks they are evil if they judge, they need to be taught first how to even have an opinion.

711 newsjunkie_ky  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 12:34:34pm

re: #682 Occasional Reader

What a lovely euphemism. Makes me think of brown shirts.


Doesn't it though?

Izzy must go out. bbiam

712 Cato the Elder  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 12:34:35pm

re: #646 MandyManners

How was Lee to know this?!

She wasn't. She couldn't. If she hadn't started with personal insults, I never would have brought it up.

The problem with insults on a site like this is that one often ends up looking like a fool because one doesn't know who one's talking to.

I would have taken the comment in good part without the personal invective.

713 Cognito  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 12:34:40pm

re: #696 Walter L. Newton

I suggest a downding.

Have at it.

714 Killian Bundy  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 12:35:02pm

re: #689 Cato the Elder

There is a certain form we tend to observe around here. Hurling epithets does not forward discussion, and it is precisely where there is disagreement that polite discussion is needed.

/are you sure you're talking about LGF commenting?

715 Spare O'Lake  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 12:35:14pm

re: #660 Cato the Elder

As I said, I've seen it all. If someone calls your mother a nasty epithet, and spews filth all over your family name, and you have heard it all before, and then someone else comes along and says "look at this video calling your mother a whore", it seems to me a legitimate option to skip over it. What is to be learned by hearing it again. I really have seen it all.

And besides, I have a tendency to high blood pressure.

I am a child of a survivor. I have spoken to many survivors, read extensively, attended many memorials, viewed and reviewed many, many, holocaust materials.
I thought I had seen it all until I watched today's video - the present-day Islamofascist gloss made this one unique to me.
LeePro's language was harsh but I think LeePro's heart is in the right place.

716 WriterMom  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 12:35:21pm

re: #704 Kenneth

I need some stabilizer for my lunch in my tummy. I'm gonna hurl.

717 Sharmuta  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 12:35:23pm

re: #713 Cognito

See- this is what I'm talking about. Walter doesn't need you permission either.

718 Cognito  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 12:35:43pm

re: #717 Sharmuta

Cool.

719 abolitionist  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 12:36:03pm

re: #580 Outrider

shoot. the State Department has never been apolitical. They have always gone to the left. Why? I don't know.

Because WW2 ended so badly. While many nazis slithered away to the middle east, Saudi Arabia, South America, etc, many were actively "recruited" by the intelligence services of France, Britain, USSR, and the USA. The competition was fierce. Massive recruitment of remnants of the Third Reich by our own CIA, State Department, universities, corporations, etc was, for better or worse, a strategy of the cold war. And it shows.

720 hazzyday  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 12:36:07pm

re: #680 Walter L. Newton

Hey jerk. The word used the other day was the "c" word. It is one of those words that are JUST NOT USED, do you understand that, or are so dense.

If you haven't notice, foul language is used here all the time. But you probably (or maybe not) have notice that there are certain words that just don't fly here.

Well, guess what, that word is one of them.

If you don't like foul language, then don't use it. If you don't like my language, don't read my posts, but get a clue jerk.

That made me laugh. lol. I'm sorry i am picking on you, but I have noticed a trends in your posts. I'll see if I can stop.

721 OldLineTexan  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 12:36:34pm

re: #625 newsjunkie_ky

So true. That is one reason he asked Gates to stay on. If things go bad the 0 wants to try to blame President Bush.

There is no try, only do, or do not. Obama's plan, as you seem to suspect, is to do.

722 lawhawk  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 12:36:50pm

re: #693 newsjunkie_ky

"neighborhood stabilization activities." and who do you think they mean?

This is the specific passage of HR 1:

For a further additional amount for `Community Development Fund', $4,190,000,000, to be used for neighborhood stabilization activities related to emergency assistance for the redevelopment of abandoned and foreclosed homes as authorized under division B, title III of the Housing and Economic Recovery Act of 2008 (Public Law 110-289), of which--

(1) not less than $3,440,000,000 shall be allocated by a competition for which eligible entities shall be States, units of general local government, and nonprofit entities or consortia of nonprofit entities: Provided, That the award criteria for such competition shall include grantee capacity, leveraging potential, targeted impact of foreclosure prevention, and any additional factors determined by the Secretary of Housing and Urban Development: Provided further, that the Secretary may establish a minimum grant size: Provided further, That amounts made available under this Section may be used to (A) establish financing mechanisms for purchase and redevelopment of foreclosed-upon homes and residential properties, including such mechanisms as soft-seconds, loan loss reserves, and shared-equity loans for low- and moderate-income homebuyers; (B) purchase and rehabilitate homes and residential properties that have been abandoned or foreclosed upon, in order to sell or rent such homes and properties; (C) establish and operate land banks for homes that have been foreclosed upon; (D) demolish foreclosed properties that have become blighted structures; and (E) redevelop demolished or vacant foreclosed properties in order to sell or rent such properties; and

(2) up to $750,000,000 shall be awarded by competition to nonprofit entities or consortia of nonprofit entities to provide community stabilization assistance by (A) accelerating state and local government and nonprofit productivity; (B) increasing the scale and efficiency of property transfers of foreclosed and vacant residential properties from financial institutions and government entities to qualified local housing providers in order to return the properties to productive affordable housing use; (C) building industry and property management capacity; and (D) partnering with private sector real estate developers and contractors and leveraging private sector capital: Provided further, That such community stabilization assistance shall be provided primarily in State

They're talking about dealing with the mess due to the foreclosure disaster and financial meltdown causing foreclosures in areas with high minority presence.

It's funneling money into the same subprime borrowing mess...

723 DisturbedEma  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 12:36:56pm

re: #689 Cato the Elder

And, with all due respect, this person opened with six vicious, personal insults before making her point. I would have taken the point with good grace and probably not bothered to respond, without the insults.

There is a certain form we tend to observe around here. Hurling epithets does not forward discussion, and it is precisely where there is disagreement that polite discussion is needed.

With the exception of the Vapid Proclaimer. . .I agree. . .

724 Ben Hur  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 12:37:07pm

Enough.

And stop using that English accent!

Both of you!

725 Desert Dog  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 12:37:14pm

re: #692 shaker

Other than the outright lying and sheer stupidity of this primitive, there is a quality that is unique to the Arab mind. That quality is the inability to empathize, even a little bit, with the suffering of other peoples.

I've noticed another trait that seems to be constant throughout the Muslim world too.....acting like a victim. So, if lying out your ass and acting like a victim are the two main traits you exhibit, the steaming pile sh*t on this video that calls himself a cleric is what you get.

726 Kenneth  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 12:37:18pm

re: #697 yma o hyd

The article says Sarkozy has been talking with "Syria & Qatar" about the issue. It also reported that "Jerusalem" was considering linking the opening of border crossings to the release of Galid.

727 lawhawk  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 12:37:32pm

re: #700 subsailor68

It's not going to ACORN, but to HUD for dispersal to community groups around the country. ACORN is likely to benefit substantially from this, but not directly named.

728 [deleted]  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 12:37:42pm
729 Occasional Reader  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 12:37:57pm

re: #683 buzzsawmonkey

IIRC Treblinka was, proportionally, the most lethal of the camps. Almost everyone deported there was sent straight to the gas chambers immediately upon arrival; there were almost no Treblinka survivors. (Or I may be confusing it with Sobibor?)

730 subsailor68  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 12:39:50pm

re: #727 lawhawk

It's not going to ACORN, but to HUD for dispersal to community groups around the country. ACORN is likely to benefit substantially from this, but not directly named.

Yep, that's the way I read it also. Thanks!

731 baconeatingkaffir  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 12:40:12pm

re: #728 buzzsawmonkey

Regarding your grandfather's photos of Buchenwald, I said nothing whatever about their being "falsified." I was merely drawing a distinction between the labor camp and the death camp, because the two were not the same thing.


I agree. no offence taken. I was just shocked by some of the stuff the left and the [bigoted word]s seem to spew these days.

732 cancuz  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 12:40:28pm

It breaks my heart to see and hear crap like this. I know hate laws and the prosecution of them are less than perfect, but we really do need put an end to this
crap once and for all.

733 [deleted]  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 12:40:30pm
734 Occasional Reader  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 12:40:31pm

re: #710 itellu3times

But the American public these days has the attention span of a gnat, especially for unpleasant stuff.

One local, anecdotal ray of hope; I can tell you that the Holocaust Memorial Museum here in DC gets a LOT of visitors, including lots of school trips. And the museum is no picnic.

735 yma o hyd  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 12:40:36pm

re: #683 buzzsawmonkey

Thank you - this clarification needs to be hammered into the heads of the young people today, who aren't taught proper history.

736 Blue Pinky  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 12:41:02pm

re: #701 LGoPs

Not jumping you, but their job is to instantiate and implement the policy of the elected President of the United States - whoever he is. It is not their job to undermine him and intiate their own policies.......

Agreed, and they don't. A president does not have to take the advice of the SoS and the State Dept. It's just one tool at his disposal. He also has a SoD and a Defense Dept as another tool. The question was why the State Dept. has always been so left, and the reason IMO is because that's their job. When a President decides to try to talk, he used them. When he decides to take action, he doesn't. But THEIR job is to be diplomats. To try and talk it out. It's a president's prerogative to choose to use them or not in a given situation.

737 calcajun  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 12:41:19pm

They should be careful what they wish for. The Germans perpetrated the Holocaust, but paid dearly for that sin. Imagine what will rain down on Cairo, Damascus, Tehran...and Mecca and Medina if it is tried again. Israel will not go gently this time.

738 [deleted]  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 12:41:22pm
739 [deleted]  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 12:41:31pm
740 DisturbedEma  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 12:41:55pm

re: #729 Occasional Reader

IIRC Treblinka was, proportionally, the most lethal of the camps. Almost everyone deported there was sent straight to the gas chambers immediately upon arrival; there were almost no Treblinka survivors. (Or I may be confusing it with Sobibor?)


IIRC- Treblinka was one of those "death camps" ones not meant to prolong any sort of labor force. . .

741 MandyManners  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 12:42:34pm

re: #712 Cato the Elder

She wasn't. She couldn't. If she hadn't started with personal insults, I never would have brought it up.

The problem with insults on a site like this is that one often ends up looking like a fool because one doesn't know who one's talking to.

I would have taken the comment in good part without the personal invective.

I'm speaking for myself only when I say that that video really pissed me off and depressed me. I had to get up and walk away from the computer at one point before I let fly some really mean stuff.

742 DisturbedEma  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 12:43:00pm

re: #737 calcajun

They should be careful what they wish for. The Germans perpetrated the Holocaust, but paid dearly for that sin. Imagine what will rain down on Cairo, Damascus, Tehran...and Mecca and Medina if it is tried again. Israel will not go gently this time.


Israel was not around during WWII. . .sorry if you knew that already, but had to say it. . .

743 transient  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 12:43:07pm

re: #667 jwb7605

Walter doesn't speak like a bird.
Occasionally, I've heard (seen) him use foul language.

He quite appropriately called bullshit.

True. It wasn't fowl language...it was bovine.

744 yma o hyd  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 12:43:25pm

re: #690 baconeatingkaffir

Which would be poetic justice, in a way, because that Ayatollah, that Khomeini, had his speeches and fatwas against the Shah smuggled in on audiotapes, from France where he lived in exile.
These tapes prepared the ground for that 'revolution'.

745 [deleted]  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 12:43:25pm
746 Sunlight  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 12:43:42pm

re: #695 buzzsawmonkey

#683, continued

The inclusion-denier, by blurring the distinction between the labor camp and the death camp, and by lumping together the death tolls of both, in effect turns a blind eye to the racism at the heart of the Nazi ideology. This is the same act which, before the war, permitted the Nazis to embark on their program of discrimination and demonization which in the end made the gas chambers possible.

Last year they found drawings made before Wansee

747 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 12:43:48pm

re: #729 Occasional Reader

IIRC Treblinka was, proportionally, the most lethal of the camps. Almost everyone deported there was sent straight to the gas chambers immediately upon arrival; there were almost no Treblinka survivors. (Or I may be confusing it with Sobibor?)

There was a handful. I've been there, and you are correct. Almost all the people that arrived there were dead with in 8 to 24 hours. Some people were culled out because they had gold in their teeth, or nice hair, or may have been physically fit enough to fulfill some labor task.

If you are interested in a survivor story, get the book "Rok w Treblince" by Jankiel Wiernik.

It is available in a Polish/English version. Try the major book sellers.

748 avanti  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 12:43:57pm

re: #727 lawhawk

It's not going to ACORN, but to HUD for dispersal to community groups around the country. ACORN is likely to benefit substantially from this, but not directly named.

Thanks for the correction, I just found it too. If Acorn wins the bid to renovate homes for example they could get some of the money, but nothing for voter registration. I think the Republicans should make that clear in the final bill. But 4 billion for Acorn is not a valid headline. I think the Republicans should make that clear in the bill.

749 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 12:44:17pm

Just a little reminder: There is a "Share" button on every post, just above the spinoff links. So if you think a post here should be more widely read, hit that sucka!

Hey, I need reminding too, sometimes.
/Ok, a lot of times.

750 Kenneth  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 12:44:17pm

Hamas and Fatah have been holding meetings in Egypt on forming a unity government, a move which will accelerate Hamas' terrorist recovery while at same time drawing Fatah farther from Israel.

751 Sunlight  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 12:44:22pm

re: #746 Sunlight

Last year they found drawings made before Wansee

[Video]

Oops wrong URL:
[Link: in.ibtimes.com...]

752 Nevergiveup  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 12:44:27pm

Apparently, GOP Sen. Arlen Specter just announced in the Senate Gallery that he will support AG nominee Eric Holder.

[Link: michellemalkin.com...]

What a pair

753 [deleted]  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 12:44:35pm
754 Occasional Reader  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 12:44:37pm

re: #740 DisturbedEma

IIRC- Treblinka was one of those "death camps" ones not meant to prolong any sort of labor force. . .

Yes, see (e.g.) buzzsaw's very informative post above.

Only a tiny fraction of the deportees were not immediately murdered; they were used for the bare minimum of labor needed to keep the camp running - cutting timber, things like that. (Again, it was either Treblinka or Sobibor that was the most lethal... I think it was Treblinka.)

755 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 12:44:53pm

re: #733 buzzsawmonkey

It wouldn't surprise me, but I have no information on this subject.

Over a million people gassed and burned with in a two year period.

756 lawhawk  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 12:44:55pm

re: #733 buzzsawmonkey

Sobibor had virtually no survivors, since the camp was destroyed by the Nazis in 1943 after the Jewish revolt in October 1943.

757 [deleted]  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 12:45:03pm
758 baconeatingkaffir  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 12:45:08pm

re: #744 yma o hyd

Which would be poetic justice, in a way, because that Ayatollah, that Khomeini, had his speeches and fatwas against the Shah smuggled in on audiotapes, from France where he lived in exile.
These tapes prepared the ground for that 'revolution'.

Yeah. My students tell me they take loads of dvdsand stuff back. Theres a blackmarket for liquor and they have alot of houseparties.

759 Spare O'Lake  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 12:45:34pm

re: #689 Cato the Elder

And, with all due respect, this person opened with six vicious, personal insults before making her point. I would have taken the point with good grace and probably not bothered to respond, without the insults.

There is a certain form we tend to observe around here. Hurling epithets does not forward discussion, and it is precisely where there is disagreement that polite discussion is needed.

I hear you.
You've been here a lot longer than I so you know better than I - nice and polite at LGF it often ain't./

760 J.S.  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 12:45:46pm

re: #740 DisturbedEma

According to Wiki there was a Treblinka I (a work camp), and Treblinka II (a death camp.) article here.

761 newsjunkie_ky  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 12:46:03pm

re: #721 OldLineTexan

There is no try, only do, or do not. Obama's plan, as you seem to suspect, is to do.


You are right.

762 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 12:46:11pm

re: #756 lawhawk

Sobibor had virtually no survivors, since the camp was destroyed by the Nazis in 1943 after the Jewish revolt in October 1943.

Treblince was destroy too. Bulldoze under, all the ashes buried, building razed and removed.

763 JacksonTn  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 12:46:13pm

re: #748 avanti

Thanks for the correction, I just found it too. If Acorn wins the bid to renovate homes for example they could get some of the money, but nothing for voter registration. I think the Republicans should make that clear in the final bill. But 4 billion for Acorn is not a valid headline. I think the Republicans should make that clear in the bill.

ACORN should never be allowed to get one cent from federal dollars EVER AGAIN ...for anything ...EVER ...they have one agenda ...they may disguise themselves at times ...but they are a shameful organization ...

764 Digital Display  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 12:46:25pm

re: #747 Walter L. Newton

Walter: One night on PBS I saw a show on those camps..Old footage taken by US Service members.. Very disturbing pictures on Film...
Who can deny the pain and suffering caused upon the Jewish race?
Very disturbing

765 Sheila Broflovski  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 12:46:32pm

re: #756 lawhawk

Sobibor had virtually no survivors, since the camp was destroyed by the Nazis in 1943 after the Jewish revolt in October 1943.

How many survivors of Gaza?

The Israelis are so freakin' incompetent at genocide.

766 Blue Pinky  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 12:46:42pm

I love how this "cleric" is holding a pen, as if he's Howie Long or someone on a sports show. What the hell is he writing down?

767 mean Gene  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 12:46:43pm

The way the world is collapsing into dhimmitude leaves me wondering how long the internet will continue to contain such places as this and JihadWatch and MEMRI and so on.
All I'm seeing makes me almost wish that guy who categorized what Muslims would/could do at each % of population* were right.....but those numbers he wrote are already too low.
*See it here:
[Link: frontpagemagazine.com...]

768 Ayatollah Ghilmeini  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 12:46:44pm

re: #286 lawhawk

Sadly, Hawk, the beast has found its voice and with lefties, Nazis and Islamis all in lockstep calling for Jewish blood, the job is much harder. European society is even more craven and worthless than in 1938. The arrival of Obama in the Whitehouse has given these crackpots hope they have not had in a very long time.

They wipe their bottoms with truth and reality. It's all about the hate.

769 BatGuano  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 12:46:52pm

re: #559 Walter L. Newton

I will read up on history more. I did not know that it was generally known that Hitler was gassing Jews and incinerating their bodies in the 30's. Thanks for the info. I've probably heard too much, "We had no Idea"!, from person's of that era even though there were suspicions.

770 MandyManners  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 12:47:03pm

re: #749 Slumbering Behemoth

Just a little reminder: There is a "Share" button on every post, just above the spinoff links. So if you think a post here should be more widely read, hit that sucka!

Hey, I need reminding too, sometimes.
/Ok, a lot of times.

This needs to go viral.

771 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 12:47:20pm

re: #760 J.S.

According to Wiki there was a Treblinka I (a work camp), and Treblinka II (a death camp.) article here.

They were right next to each other, the work camp was simply the place where a handful of Ukranians and some Jewish workers lived to service the death camp. Both camps were housed in the same forest clearing.

772 Cheese Eating Victory Monkey  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 12:47:21pm

Today I saw a banner ad for the so-called 'palestinian holocaust museum' with the tagline "Where IS Humanity?" below a photo of a crying kid. It was sponsored by Islamonline.net and appeared on the bottom of an article on Israeli news website Ha'aretz.com.

773 baconeatingkaffir  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 12:47:32pm

re: #764 HoosierHoops

Walter: One night on PBS I saw a show on those camps..Old footage taken by US Service members.. Very disturbing pictures on Film...
Who can deny the pain and suffering caused upon the Jewish race?
Very disturbing

I agree but I think EVERYONE NEEDS TO SEE IT. Somewhere I think it was the history channel I saw some color footage as wel and that just made it hit home even harder.

774 newsjunkie_ky  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 12:47:34pm

re: #722 lawhawk

They're talking about dealing with the mess due to the foreclosure disaster and financial meltdown causing foreclosures in areas with high minority presence.

It's funneling money into the same subprime borrowing mess...

And acorn has it's smelly hands in so many 'neighborhood' entities.

775 lawhawk  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 12:47:36pm

re: #764 HoosierHoops

Who can deny the pain and suffering caused upon the Jewish race?

Far too many people who think that it wasn't enough; that someone should finish the job; and far too many people who are lining up to provide the means to accomplish it.

776 DisturbedEma  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 12:47:57pm

re: #760 J.S.

According to Wiki there was a Treblinka I (a work camp), and Treblinka II (a death camp.) article here.


First, as a matter of principle, I do not consider Wiki a valid source to use

Second- yes, see that. . .

777 Occasional Reader  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 12:48:02pm

re: #765 Alouette

How many survivors of Gaza?

The Israelis are so freakin' incompetent at genocide.

Indeed, they can't even keep the LCD TVs out of their death camps.

/

778 Ayatollah Ghilmeini  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 12:48:13pm

cleanup aisle #739

779 yma o hyd  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 12:48:24pm

re: #695 buzzsawmonkey

#683, continued

The inclusion-denier, by blurring the distinction between the labor camp and the death camp, and by lumping together the death tolls of both, in effect turns a blind eye to the racism at the heart of the Nazi ideology. This is the same act which, before the war, permitted the Nazis to embark on their program of discrimination and demonization which in the end made the gas chambers possible.

There is one footnote to add:
The labour camps were similar in idea to the GULAG, which at the beginning of the Nazi Regime was not quite as huge as it became a few years later.
People also compare those labour camps with the GULAG and can thus easily or willingly overlook the specific racist and genocidal impetus which led to the building and running of the death camps.

Argueing that both Hitler and stalinw ere as bad as each other, while valid in many instances, sweeps this particular and particularly heinous crime of planned genocide on an industrial scale totally aside.

780 [deleted]  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 12:48:28pm
781 Dianna  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 12:48:39pm

re: #676 jcm

Which browser?

Firefox 3.

782 LGoPs  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 12:48:54pm

re: #752 Nevergiveup

Apparently, GOP Sen. Arlen Specter just announced in the Senate Gallery that he will support AG nominee Eric Holder.

[Link: michellemalkin.com...]

What a pair

How long will the spectre of Arlen keep haunting us.........
/

783 calcajun  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 12:49:05pm

re: #733 buzzsawmonkey

It wouldn't surprise me, but I have no information on this subject.

There were (as far as my memory goes) only six dedicated death camps; Sobibor, Treblinka, Chelmno, Belzec, Majdanek and Auschwitz. Uprisings in the first two resulted in their permanent closure.

As for the other camps, they were not designed for the wholesale industrial slaughter like the death camps, but the design, nevertheless, was to "reduce inventory" through over-work, starvation and other means. These places could, by no means, be considered penal institutions such as we know. Their whole purpose was for the systematic reduction of undesirable portions of a general population.

There is a special place in hell for anyone who ever had a hand in running those places.

784 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 12:49:30pm

re: #764 HoosierHoops

Walter: One night on PBS I saw a show on those camps..Old footage taken by US Service members.. Very disturbing pictures on Film...
Who can deny the pain and suffering caused upon the Jewish race?
Very disturbing

I was there in Jan. 2004, in the winter, I was the only visitor there that day, the only other person there was the driver that took me and the guy that manned the little office/ticket booth/book store.

There was about 3 inches of snow on the ground, which muffled my footsteps. All I could think about was the fact that I was walking on the ashes of over a million people.

A brown bunny rabbit followed me around for almost an hour, it was the strangest thing.

785 Occasional Reader  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 12:49:36pm

re: #764 HoosierHoops

Who can deny the pain and suffering caused upon the Jewish race?

Deny it? Why, the star of this thread's video is positively rejoicing in it.

786 jcm  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 12:49:41pm

re: #727 lawhawk

It's not going to ACORN, but to HUD for dispersal to community groups around the country. ACORN is likely to benefit substantially from this, but not directly named.

Obama's guy for HUD, Shaun Donovan.

Prior to joining HUD, he worked at the Community Preservation Corporation (CPC) in New York City, a non-profit lender and developer of affordable housing.

Community Preservation Corporation and ACORN worked together on a lot of projects.

The Community Preservation Corporation is a not-for-profit mortgage lender that finances residential multifamily development throughout New York, New Jersey and Connecticut. Since its founding in 1974, CPC has invested over $7 billion in more than 130,000 units of housing.

New York ACORN Housing Company (NYAHC) is a not-for-profit community organization that works to increasing affordable housing opportunities for low and moderate income families by identifying and undertaking creative housing development initiatives. New York ACORN Housing Company works with buildings' residents during development and continues this relationship with its residents once buildings are completed and operational in order to improve their communities. New York ACORN Housing Company also helps low and moderate income people who have the means (savings, credit and interest) to purchase their own homes.

The new guy at HUD has worked with ACORN in the past.
Jus' sayin'

787 tntb  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 12:49:46pm

Wait, I thought the holocaust never happened.

788 DisturbedEma  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 12:49:52pm

re: #768 Ayatollah Ghilmeini

Sadly, Hawk, the beast has found its voice and with lefties, Nazis and Islamis all in lockstep calling for Jewish blood, the job is much harder. European society is even more craven and worthless than in 1938. The arrival of Obama in the Whitehouse has given these crackpots hope they have not had in a very long time.

They wipe their bottoms with truth and reality. It's all about the hate.

It is the absolute asshattery in that region that kills me. . .mocking Americans for not knowing their "history" while not learning from their own. . .

Buggerers, to the last!

789 Ayatollah Ghilmeini  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 12:49:55pm

re: #765 Alouette

How many survivors? Basically all of them. There was a war in Gaza that resulted in a historical first- no statistically noticeable change in population size.

790 subsailor68  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 12:50:08pm

re: #782 LGoPs

How long will the spectre of Arlen keep haunting us.........
/

Stalking the battlements of Congress like the ghost of Hamlet's father.

O Forsooth, tis a tocsin indeed...

791 akak  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 12:50:15pm

HUD sends the money to ACORN correct? Are they still un-regulated?

792 Blue Pinky  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 12:50:21pm

re: #772 Cheese Eating Victory Monkey

Today I saw a banner ad for the so-called 'palestinian holocaust museum' with the tagline "Where IS Humanity?" below a photo of a crying kid. It was sponsored by Islamonline.net and appeared on the bottom of an article on Israeli news website Ha'aretz.com.

Are you referring to this?
[Link: www.ynetnews.com...]

793 CIA Reject  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 12:50:22pm

re: #719 abolitionist

Because WW2 ended so badly. While many nazis slithered away to the middle east, Saudi Arabia, South America, etc, many were actively "recruited" by the intelligence services of France, Britain, USSR, and the USA. The competition was fierce. Massive recruitment of remnants of the Third Reich by our own CIA, State Department, universities, corporations, etc was, for better or worse, a strategy of the cold war. And it shows.

I wasn't aware of that. I knew about Operation Paperclip and the scramble for Nazi S&T assets (ie von Braun and his rocket scientists) but I did not know that it extended to non-technical assets.

794 NelsFree  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 12:50:23pm

re: #634 Cato the Elder

Dear Cato,

Anyone who can use "hapax legomenon" in a sentence deserves my greatest respect. I prostate myself before you! Aside from a few trivialities, we have harmoniousness. For the unenlightened (including myself): hapax legomenon - a word or form occurring only once in a document or corpus.
Your acknowledgement of my errancy was due to a fortuitous juxtaposition. Your ability to remember particular posts from days ago in order to correct them is nothing short of breathtaking. I stand corrected.

795 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 12:50:24pm

re: #770 MandyManners

This needs to go viral.

I've got a "throw away" email account with Yahoo, so I usually hit the Yahoo Buzz! option. When I remember, that is.

796 calcajun  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 12:50:34pm

re: #742 DisturbedEma

I meant in the Biblical sense of Israel. Sounds much better than saying "Jews".

797 baconeatingkaffir  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 12:51:13pm

re: #785 Occasional Reader

Deny it? Why, the star of this thread's video is positively rejoicing in it.

I wonder these folks on the video know how many followers of the deathbook were also exterminated in the camps?

798 SummerSong  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 12:51:21pm

Tedious - very boring, wrong and tedious.

Had a brother in law like that once...

799 jcm  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 12:51:43pm

re: #791 akak

HUD sends the money to ACORN correct? Are they still un-regulated?

They gave their word to Barney Frank.

800 [deleted]  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 12:51:45pm
801 avanti  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 12:51:56pm

re: #750 Kenneth

Hamas and Fatah have been holding meetings in Egypt on forming a unity government, a move which will accelerate Hamas' terrorist recovery while at same time drawing Fatah farther from Israel.

Boy, that's a glass half full spin. Israel has been pushing for a unity government before real peace talks could begin. Fatah is trying to get Hamas to agree to Fatah and international observers on the border with Egypt and control of Gaza.

802 Creeping Eruption  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 12:51:59pm

re: #769 BatGuano

I will read up on history more. I did not know that it was generally known that Hitler was gassing Jews and incinerating their bodies in the 30's. Thanks for the info. I've probably heard too much, "We had no Idea"!, from person's of that era even though there were suspicions.

This is pretty good: David Wyman, Abandonment of the Jews

803 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 12:51:59pm

re: #773 baconeatingkaffir

I agree but I think EVERYONE NEEDS TO SEE IT. Somewhere I think it was the history channel I saw some color footage as wel and that just made it hit home even harder.

You are so correct. Most long tim Lizards know, but I went to Poland because I was writing a play about an orphanage in Warsaw during the war, and I decided I need to visit ground zero of the holocaust.

Horrible.

804 Ben Hur  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 12:52:09pm

THAT is an effen plant.

805 DisturbedEma  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 12:52:35pm

re: #796 calcajun

I meant in the Biblical sense of Israel. Sounds much better than saying "Jews".


Jews are the ones who died- This Jew wants that remembered

806 MandyManners  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 12:52:45pm

re: #778 Ayatollah Ghilmeini

cleanup aisle #739

He got da stick.

807 yma o hyd  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 12:52:57pm

re: #726 Kenneth

The article says Sarkozy has been talking with "Syria & Qatar" about the issue. It also reported that "Jerusalem" was considering linking the opening of border crossings to the release of Galid.

Yeah - Syria and Qatar - they would know, wouldn't they ...!

I find it incredible that all these do-gooders suddenly are so keen on shalit's fate.
Where were hey before?
Why are they not twisting the ICRC's arms to go and see him?
Why is his fate now being tied to Israel's 'good' behaviour?

Bizarro world ...

808 Dianna  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 12:53:04pm

re: #757 notutopia

Think about what you just said.
If you did this...you'd be the equal to the spew and spawn that you hate.
Want to rethink this?

Um...you quoted something that ought to be deleted.

Sorry.

809 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 12:53:05pm

re: #787 tntb

Wait, I thought the holocaust never happened.

Bank shot. Mandy, Sharmuta, anyone want to parry this?

810 Ben Hur  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 12:53:25pm

DELETE #739.

What is taking so long?

811 Ojoe  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 12:53:31pm

re: #800 ploome hineni

Chi tace consenta

Italian

Who is silent consents

I hear a worldwide roaring silence

812 J.S.  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 12:53:41pm

re: #771 Walter L. Newton

Yes. The Wiki article provides a map, etc.

813 newsjunkie_ky  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 12:53:44pm

There is a disturbance in the Force. Are things being added or deleted?

814 Occasional Reader  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 12:53:51pm

re: #804 Ben Hur

THAT is an effen plant.

Already gone. And I'm feelin' strong. I will sing this victory song. Woohoohoo, yeah, woohoohoo.

815 DisturbedEma  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 12:53:54pm

re: #802 Creeping Eruption

This is pretty good: David Wyman, Abandonment of the Jews

This is an AMAZING book- Wyman is a first rate historian! Read A Race against death. . .phenom!

816 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 12:54:07pm

re: #806 MandyManners

He got da stick.

He may have come back as someone else see 787

817 [deleted]  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 12:54:11pm
818 razorbacker  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 12:54:17pm

This 'cleric' reminds me of the career arc of noted TV pitchman Billy Mays.

Now I was willing to accept Mr. Mays' knowledge of citrus-based floor care products. When he tried to sell me laundry products whose active ingredient seemed to be oxygen; I was sceptical but gave him a chance. I didn't even question his authority regarding various epoxy-based putty products.

But when Billy Mays tried to sell me health insurance, for some reason I found myself going, "Now who in hell would buy health insurance from Billy Mays?"

I find myself asking the same question of Amin Al-Ansari. Who in hell would take this fellow's word regarding the Holocaust?

819 calcajun  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 12:54:20pm

re: #793 CIA Reject

I wasn't aware of that. I knew about Operation Paperclip and the scramble for Nazi S&T assets (ie von Braun and his rocket scientists) but I did not know that it extended to non-technical assets.

Reinhard Gehlen was a high ranking Wehrmacht intelligence office who went to work for the West without skipping a beat. He retired as a Lt. General in the West German Army in the 60's. [Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

820 jcm  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 12:54:21pm

re: #810 Ben Hur

DELETE #739.

What is taking so long?

Gone......

821 Ben Hur  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 12:54:28pm

#745

822 MandyManners  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 12:54:36pm

re: #786 jcm

The new guy at HUD has worked with ACORN in the past.
Jus' sayin'

Good catch.

823 [deleted]  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 12:54:39pm
824 MrSilverDragon  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 12:55:14pm

re: #787 tntb

I hope there was supposed to be a sarc tag there, but as it stands, I have to ding that down.

825 jwb7605  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 12:55:29pm

re: #781 Dianna

Firefox 3.

I get "memory leaks" with FF3 after a couple of days.
Rebooting the whole PC is the only cure. Something stays in memory, restarting the browser only doesn't help.

Tools->Clear Private data,
Close browser,
Reboot PC.

826 Sharmuta  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 12:55:56pm

re: #787 tntb

Forget your sarc tag?

827 CyanSnowHawk  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 12:55:57pm

re: #688 NelsFree

My Sister, Alice, her Husband uses Levitra. I'll Cialis about it.

I brought home a sample of Cialis last week. Mrs. Hawk asked if the bathtubs were included.

828 lawhawk  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 12:56:07pm

re: #786 jcm

I concur wholeheartedly. I wasn't a big fan of Donovan when he took over at NYC HPD... and let's just leave it at that.

829 Outrider  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 12:56:18pm

re: #734 Occasional Reader

One local, anecdotal ray of hope; I can tell you that the Holocaust Memorial Museum here in DC gets a LOT of visitors, including lots of school trips. And the museum is no picnic.

the same with Dachau in Germany. Although the camp is pretty sterile compared to what it was, the photo exhibit is pretty graphic. The barracks and crematorium left standing are fairly graphic themselves. I went there a couple of times and it was always mobbed by very somber and sober people and groups.

830 Charles Johnson  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 12:56:32pm

All comments posted by 'LosHwy' have been deleted, and this person is blocked from commenting at LGF.

831 OldLineTexan  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 12:56:37pm

re: #816 Walter L. Newton

He may have come back as someone else see 787

Seems to be sarcastic.

832 MJ  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 12:56:37pm

Melanie Phillips has a good piece on Jews who want another Holocaust:

The Jews Of The Gathering Night

[Link: www.spectator.co.uk...]

833 [deleted]  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 12:56:52pm
834 Ben Hur  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 12:57:08pm

That was way too obvious

835 BatGuano  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 12:57:09pm

re: #802 Creeping Eruption

Thank you, I will take advantage of that recommendation.

836 Occasional Reader  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 12:57:16pm

While I certainly support the deletion of #739 (who I suspect was a moby anyway), I would not exactly be indignant to learn that the "cleric" from this video had an unfortunate run-in with a Sayaret Golani team. Just sayin'.

837 itellu3times  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 12:57:20pm

re: #734 Occasional Reader

One local, anecdotal ray of hope; I can tell you that the Holocaust Memorial Museum here in DC gets a LOT of visitors, including lots of school trips. And the museum is no picnic.

Well, that's marketing for you - make it a duty, make it a point of education, make it fashionable, charge money for it - and people then attribute value to it, before they've even seen it.

I'm just saying, these are all good models to follow.

838 Ojoe  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 12:57:25pm

re: #830 Charles

Thanks

839 Creeping Eruption  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 12:57:27pm

re: #815 DisturbedEma

This is an AMAZING book- Wyman is a first rate historian! Read A Race against death. . .phenom!

Will do. Thanks for the suggestion.

840 Sharmuta  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 12:57:28pm

re: #821 Ben Hur

You use the report button, right?

841 subsailor68  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 12:58:03pm

re: #816 Walter L. Newton

He may have come back as someone else see 787

Hey Walter! Hope your day's going well.

I think 787 may have been a comment in reference to some points made much earlier about how there's a disconnect in the Islamic radicals a) denial of the Holocaust, then b) rantings about how it didn't go far enough, then c) the horrible images in that video that clearly show there was a Holocaust.

(If that's not what the commenter meant, he should get the stick as well.)

842 NelsFree  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 12:58:29pm

re: #680 Walter L. Newton

Hey jerk.
If you don't like foul language, then don't use it. If you don't like my language, don't read my posts, but get a clue jerk.

Clue Jerk?

843 yma o hyd  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 12:58:49pm

re: #753 Iron Fist

In practice, the gold mine at Kolyma was both death camp and labor camp. They planned to work the prisoners to death in a month or so of incredibly hard work in intolerable conditions. I guess they felt it saved money on bullets.

(Kolyma was in the USSR under Stalin. Brutal and deadly are two adjectives that come to mind when I think of it)

Thats right - up to a point.

We cannot get around the fact that even Kolyma was not designed as a death camp, built only for killing one people, Jews - on an industrial scale.

That is the stark truth, its so bad we all wish we didn't need to look at it. But look we must, else we'll never understand the difference.

About Kolyma - Evgenia Ginzburg's memoirs are still one of the best literature to come out of that place.

844 SasquatchOnSteroids  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 12:58:51pm

re: #766 Blue Pinky

I love how this "cleric" is holding a pen, as if he's Howie Long or someone on a sports show. What the hell is he writing down?

"I heart Obama"

845 Nevergiveup  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 12:58:51pm

re: #801 avanti

Boy, that's a glass half full spin. Israel has been pushing for a unity government before real peace talks could begin. Fatah is trying to get Hamas to agree to Fatah and international observers on the border with Egypt and control of Gaza.

Israel has not been pushing for any unity gov. They want hamas out of the gov

846 LeePro  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 12:59:01pm

re: #456 Cato the Elder

re: #492 Cato the Elder

re: #567 Cato the Elder

re: #569 yma o hyd

I see that I owe apologies to several people. Had I known at the original post that the writer had such an admirable history of his own, I probably would have reacted differently. I must, however, stick with my own convictions that it is wrong for the POTUS to crawl into the lap of our enemies, who have made it abundantly clear, in print, in audio, and in videos such as this one, that they are beyond reason at any level.

Cato, I do admire and commend you and your exemplary accomplishments and your dedication to this cause. I apologize for the offense I have given you.




re: #490 notutopia

LeePro,
With respect, Consider that there are many elders here and in our lives,who have actually lived/survived through this real hellish nightmare. They do not need to rehash the ghoulish atrocities or revisit the propaganda by watching this film.
It is downright painful and verging on personal abuse to suggest to them that they MUST watch this.
Please, use utmost discretion with who you send this on to. Some cannot bare this psychological pain.
Thank you.

Your are kind to have made me aware of my mistake in such a thoughtful way.

Thank you.

847 Kenneth  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 12:59:06pm

re: #830 Charles

I'm almost sorry I missed reading the comment. It must have been a doozy.

848 Occasional Reader  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 12:59:48pm

re: #821 Ben Hur

#745

I read that one as sarcasm (referring to the usual Islamist holocaust denial), but hard to say.

849 Sunlight  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 1:00:06pm

re: #796 calcajun

I meant in the Biblical sense of Israel. Sounds much better than saying "Jews".

Something wrong with saying "Jews"? when talking about surviving?

850 MandyManners  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 1:00:12pm

re: #810 Ben Hur

Time to Reload.

851 OldLineTexan  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 1:00:21pm

re: #847 Kenneth

I'm almost sorry I missed reading the comment. It must have been a doozy.

Typical "please ban me" type comment, actually.

852 jwb7605  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 1:01:05pm

re: #850 MandyManners

Time to Reload.

NOW who are you mad at?
Walter will hold the fort with his clue jerk, no worry.

853 OldLineTexan  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 1:01:16pm

re: #848 Occasional Reader

I read that one as sarcasm (referring to the usual Islamist holocaust denial), but hard to say.

No, 745 quoted 739, is all.

854 baconeatingkaffir  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 1:01:31pm

re: #823 ploome hineni

I would be interested in hearing why you changed your mind about islam/muslims recently...

my nic is blue, if you care to write me

I have felt mostly the same way about muslims taht they and the nazis dont have much differences althought my wife is turkish .....
Ive travelled to the gulf and saudi and seen alot of their foolishness..

855 notutopia  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 1:01:36pm

re: #808 Dianna

Um...you quoted something that ought to be deleted.

Sorry.

Dianna, I was dissenting to the commenter's inference that it is okay to murder, and that all muslims on the street are like this.
Explain please, what ought to be deleted?

856 Sheila Broflovski  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 1:01:37pm

re: #847 Kenneth

I'm almost sorry I missed reading the comment. It must have been a doozy.

Just typical stupid moby.

857 Ben Hur  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 1:01:38pm

re: #840 Sharmuta

You use the report button, right?

Report button?

858 jcm  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 1:01:50pm

re: #850 MandyManners

Time to Reload.

*dives behind closest rock*

859 Occasional Reader  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 1:01:57pm

re: #850 MandyManners

Time to Reload.

Well then, praise Stinky, and pass the ammunition.

860 DisturbedEma  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 1:02:01pm

re: #818 razorbacker

This 'cleric' reminds me of the career arc of noted TV pitchman Billy Mays.

Now I was willing to accept Mr. Mays' knowledge of citrus-based floor care products. When he tried to sell me laundry products whose active ingredient seemed to be oxygen; I was sceptical but gave him a chance. I didn't even question his authority regarding various epoxy-based putty products.

But when Billy Mays tried to sell me health insurance, for some reason I found myself going, "Now who in hell would buy health insurance from Billy Mays?"

I find myself asking the same question of Amin Al-Ansari. Who in hell would take this fellow's word regarding the Holocaust?

And that hamburger cooker. . .but yeah. . .HEALTH INSURANCE. . .c'mon!

861 Occasional Reader  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 1:02:33pm

re: #853 OldLineTexan

No, 745 quoted 739, is all.

Ah, right, I confused the numbers.

862 jwb7605  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 1:02:51pm

re: #857 Ben Hur

Report button?

The exclamation point.
I used it once to report myself, because I wasn't sure of the veracity of a message I was requested to pass on, and wanted to get Charles' attention.

863 mean Gene  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 1:02:57pm

re: #818 razorbacker

But when Billy Mays tried to sell me health insurance, for some reason I found myself going, "Now who in hell would buy health insurance from Billy Mays?"

I find myself asking the same question of Amin Al-Ansari. Who in hell would take this fellow's word regarding the Holocaust?

But, in Islam, people don't have the option to refuse to take a guy like that's word for stuff.
That's one of Islam's main strengths......it forbids the individual to use personal judgment.
Just the mere hint that a Muslim might be thinking for him/herself (in some parts of the dar al islam) is enough for a death fatwa.

864 jcm  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 1:03:01pm

re: #857 Ben Hur

Report button?

Exclamation mark next to DING buttons.
Click it, recommend to forward to Charles for consideration as thread.
Report to notify the sanitation engineer.

865 OldLineTexan  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 1:03:23pm

re: #855 notutopia

Dianna, I was dissenting to the commenter's inference that it is okay to murder, and that all muslims on the street are like this.
Explain please, what ought to be deleted?

Nothing personal, but if you step in a spill and track it on the kitchen floor, you wipe up the spill and the tracks.

If a comment is delete-worthy, it's best to disagree without using the "Quote" function.

866 Ben Hur  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 1:03:24pm

What's amazing is that while writing his BS to make US look like nazis, he missed the video with his ally actually spewing what he projects onto us.

867 Sharmuta  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 1:03:30pm

re: #857 Ben Hur

Report button?

Yes- the Report button- the ! next to the heart icon.

It's there to alert Charles and the monitors about nasty comments. You can also use it to recommend a link in a comment if you think it's something Charles should see.

868 Ayatollah Ghilmeini  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 1:03:30pm

re: #806 MandyManners

Never takes long but I am sure some enemy of LGF, maybe the jerk who made the comment, screengrabbed it and sent it off to CAIR for inclusion in their putative list of Charles' crimes against humanity.

869 OldLineTexan  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 1:03:47pm

re: #857 Ben Hur

Report button?

The exclamation point reports the good, the bad, and the ugly!

870 [deleted]  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 1:03:56pm
871 CIA Reject  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 1:03:58pm

re: #819 calcajun

Reinhard Gehlen was a high ranking Wehrmacht intelligence office who went to work for the West without skipping a beat. He retired as a Lt. General in the West German Army in the 60's. [Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

Interesting - thanks for the link!

872 MandyManners  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 1:03:59pm

I just saw the end of a History Channel bit about bin Laden. They had someone who supposedly was involved in the intelligence community who stated that as long as we keep Pres. Bush's policies in Iraq and Afghanistan, we'll be targets. Clueless fucking asshole.

873 Creeping Eruption  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 1:04:20pm

re: #855 notutopia

Dianna, I was dissenting to the commenter's inference that it is okay to murder, and that all muslims on the street are like this.
Explain please, what ought to be deleted?

Quoting a post that will be deleted for offensive content will also be deleted because it has the same content. It is easier to just "reply" as opposed to "quote." That was you can comment away without getting deleted yourself.

874 OldLineTexan  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 1:04:23pm

re: #858 jcm

*dives behind closest rock*

Rock, hell, I am digging a foxhole. Lucky it's sandy...

875 MandyManners  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 1:04:46pm

re: #852 jwb7605

NOW who are you mad at?
Walter will hold the fort with his clue jerk, no worry.

LOL! Sometimes you can only see that a post has been deleted after you have reloaded.

876 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 1:05:09pm

re: #852 jwb7605

NOW who are you mad at?
Walter will hold the fort with his clue jerk, no worry.

You know, I don't consider myself the thread monitor, but if I see something that bothers me, I say so.

And if I'm wrong, I have no problem backing down and examining my position.

But I'm not going to just sit back and let something slide just so I don't get flak.

That's what we did in America in the 30's.

I rather admit that I am wrong about something, then to miss being right.

877 Ben Hur  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 1:05:18pm

Is that what that is?

I thought is was the "Alright!" "Kickass!" or "Shonuff!" button.

Kinda like getting an Amen!

Now I know.

And knowing is half the battle.

Learn it.
Love it.
Live it.

878 Occasional Reader  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 1:05:32pm

re: #870 buzzsawmonkey

I've tried to recognize the many superb comments in upding form.

If you really cared, you'd recognize them through interpretive dance.

879 UberInfidel67  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 1:06:00pm

You know, I make copies of ALL these crazy assed videos using RealPlayer. I have come to the conclusion that I am gonna email them to all the assholes that claim to "represent" Pennsylvania in the United States government. I have hesitated to do so because I wondered, "what the does little old me in little old PA have to do with the current state of affairs?" Well, I know what. PA might have been a blip on the radar in the grand scheme of things, but when Flight 93 came down in a field here in PA...that got our attention. So now I am part of the front lines and I will let these morons and appeasers know what most Pennsylvanians think. Maybe it has to start with me?

I saved this video too. It. Makes. Me. Sick (but I must bear witness)

880 jwb7605  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 1:06:00pm

re: #872 MandyManners

I just saw the end of a History Channel bit about bin Laden. They had someone who supposedly was involved in the intelligence community who stated that as long as we keep Pres. Bush's policies in Iraq and Afghanistan, we'll be targets. Clueless fucking asshole.

He's absolutely correct.
When we stop, though, we'll be subservient.

Make your choice.

881 mean Gene  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 1:06:05pm

re: #872 MandyManners

I just saw the end of a History Channel bit about bin Laden. They had someone who supposedly was involved in the intelligence community who stated that as long as we keep Pres. Bush's policies in Iraq and Afghanistan, we'll be targets. Clueless fucking asshole.

Did he finish his thought?
That the moment we don't keep Pres. Bush's policies in Iraq and Afghanistan, we'll be dhimmis.

882 Sharmuta  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 1:06:09pm

re: #877 Ben Hur

Yes- try it out. Click it. You can also click cancel if you've clicked the ! by mistake, so try it out.

883 Occasional Reader  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 1:06:13pm

re: #874 OldLineTexan

Rock, hell, I am digging a foxhole. Lucky it's sandy...

No, Mandy, her name's Mandy. Sheesh, how long have you been posting here?!

884 Dianna  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 1:06:37pm

re: #855 notutopia

Dianna, I was dissenting to the commenter's inference that it is okay to murder, and that all muslims on the street are like this.
Explain please, what ought to be deleted?

I know, but you quoted, rather than replied.

Your comment is gone - I quoted your reply so people could see what you'd said, without the inflammatory quote.

885 Digital Display  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 1:06:45pm

re: #851 OldLineTexan

Typical "please ban me" type comment, actually.

Suicide by Blogging?

886 Sunlight  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 1:06:47pm

Actually, this thread has gone fairly smoothly, given the topic. Remember the old days with... what was his name? I'm thinking Nigel, but that's not it.

887 yma o hyd  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 1:06:48pm

re: #846 LeePro

{LeePro}

You've just shown why Lizards are indeed a breed apart!

Thank you, and upding!

888 OldLineTexan  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 1:06:51pm

re: #878 Occasional Reader

If you really cared, you'd recognize them through interpretive dance.

You would get more dances here if you'd quit waving that creased dollar in the air. It's off-putting.

889 Grand Poobah  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 1:07:09pm

That moron doesn't even know how to speak like a literate in his own language.

What a disgrace.

890 Occasional Reader  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 1:07:24pm

re: #877 Ben Hur

I thought is was the "Alright!" "Kickass!" or "Shonuff!" button.

I thought it was to make that tongue-on-roof-of-mouth clicking sound, like when you're referring to the !Kung bush people.

891 [deleted]  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 1:07:27pm
892 LGoPs  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 1:07:37pm

re: #883 Occasional Reader

No, Mandy, her name's Mandy. Sheesh, how long have you been posting here?!

Shirley he would know by now..........
:)

893 calcajun  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 1:07:47pm

re: #817 buzzsawmonkey

On the same line, how can people deny what happened when there are paper trails establishing the creation of the einsatzgruppen? There is evidence of what happened at Babi Yar and other places. There are plans and blueprints for the construction of gas chambers and crematoria designed to swallow thousands at one blow. It happened. The Germans (not just the Nazis)-- der Deutches Volk did it.

If not--if it never happened, then where are the six million Jews that vanished from the face of the Earth? They did not move "east"--after more than 60 years, someone would have sent a postcard. Where are the millions of Gypsies? Where are the thousands of Jehovah's Witnesses, homosexuals, Communists, and other dissidents? They were systematically murdered, either gassed, or were killed by slow starvation and privation.

The tragedy is that this form of industrialized slaughter is not new. And, it can happen--and has--and will--happen again.

894 notutopia  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 1:07:48pm

re: #865 OldLineTexan

Nothing personal, but if you step in a spill and track it on the kitchen floor, you wipe up the spill and the tracks.

If a comment is delete-worthy, it's best to disagree without using the "Quote" function.

Ah, Thank you. Stinky, thank you.

895 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 1:08:09pm

re: #872 MandyManners

I just saw the end of a History Channel bit about bin Laden. They had someone who supposedly was involved in the intelligence community who stated that as long as we keep Pres. Bush's policies in Iraq and Afghanistan, we'll be targets. Clueless fucking asshole.


Becasue we weren't targets before we went to war in Iraq & Afghanistan.
/ Was it Schurer? (sp?) It sounds like something that nimrod would say.

896 Killian Bundy  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 1:08:43pm

re: #786 jcm

The new guy at HUD has worked with ACORN in the past.
Jus' sayin'

/so has Obama

897 jwb7605  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 1:08:54pm

re: #876 Walter L. Newton

You know, I don't consider myself the thread monitor, but if I see something that bothers me, I say so.

And if I'm wrong, I have no problem backing down and examining my position.

But I'm not going to just sit back and let something slide just so I don't get flak.

That's what we did in America in the 30's.

I rather admit that I am wrong about something, then to miss being right.

Just a shot at your typo.
I read that, and thought "crap, not Mandy's tools in the hands of a big white guy -- no fair!" :-)

I was going to look for the YouTube song upthread (ClueCool Jerk)

898 NelsFree  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 1:09:06pm

re: #878 Occasional Reader

If you really cared, you'd recognize them through interpretive dance.


UPding!
...and upload the video to Youtube.

899 calcajun  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 1:09:12pm

re: #827 CyanSnowHawk

I brought home a sample of Cialis last week. Mrs. Hawk asked if the bathtubs were included.

"If you experience an erection lasting more than four hours, please call a doctor--as soon as your wife unties you from the bed."////

900 [deleted]  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 1:09:16pm
901 jorline  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 1:09:31pm

Looks like LosHwy waited a year and a half to post his one deleted comment.

Nimrod

902 Sunlight  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 1:09:50pm

re: #886 Sunlight

Actually, this thread has gone fairly smoothly, given the topic. Remember the old days with... what was his name? I'm thinking Nigel, but that's not it.

Bigel. Was that it?

903 Outrider  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 1:10:41pm

re: #895 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Becasue we weren't targets before we went to war in Iraq & Afghanistan.
/ Was it Schurer? (sp?) It sounds like something that nimrod would say.

wonder when these same guys will realize we have been targets long before President Bush (either one) took office. ;-)>

904 Ben Hur  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 1:10:44pm

re: #872 MandyManners

I just saw the end of a History Channel bit about bin Laden. They had someone who supposedly was involved in the intelligence community who stated that as long as we keep Pres. Bush's policies in Iraq and Afghanistan, we'll be targets. Clueless fucking asshole.

Bin Laden was just a tool.

The real culprits behind 9/11 were a consortium of white Europeans that shorted airline stock the days before the attack.

/M. -Casinoe Royale.

905 Occasional Reader  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 1:11:09pm

re: #902 Sunlight

Bigel. Was that it?

It was. But I like "Nigel", too.

Okay, work to do, believe it or not... later.

906 DisturbedEma  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 1:11:16pm

re: #881 mean Gene

Did he finish his thought?
That the moment we don't keep Pres. Bush's policies in Iraq and Afghanistan, we'll be dhimmis.

Hope and Change for dhimmis?

907 LeePro  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 1:11:33pm

re: #634 Cato the Elder

That's simply not true. The only requirement to be a Muslim is to say the shahada and follow the five pillars. Many ordinary non-Arab Muslims know a smattering of phrases in Arabic, and not much else. That does NOT make them infidels. If it did, there would be far fewer Muslims in the world.

The fact is that the Arabic in the Koran has very little in common with demotic Arabic. Many of the "reciters" (the boys who learn the whole Koran by heart), even the Arabic speakers, do not know what it is they're reciting. I can learn from rote repetition how to chant "Beowulf" all the way through and still not know Old English!

And scholars estimate that something like one fifth to one sixth of the Koran is, frankly, just plain incomprehensible even to those steeped in Classical Arabic. There are similar cases in the Hebrew and Christian Bibles where we just don't know what a word or phrase actually means, especially if it's a hapax legomenon, but the incidence of such puzzles is far higher in the Koran.

So, to recapitulate: You do NOT have to learn Arabic to be a Muslim, and many of those Indonesian and Afghani boys in the madrassahs have NO IDEA what they're chanting. If you say the shahada (Lā ilaha illa al-Lāh, Muhammadun rasūlu l-Lāh) and endeavor to follow the pillars, you are a Muslim.

Oh, and the "correct spelling" is not "Qu'ran" but "Qur'an" - although since it's a transliteration, even "Koran" (or in Gibbon's day, "Coran") will do perfectly well.

Thank you for the additional education, Cato, and no this is not sarc. I did not know these things.

/ongoing self-flagellation

908 Digital Display  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 1:11:46pm

re: #862 jwb7605

The exclamation point.
I used it once to report myself, because I wasn't sure of the veracity of a message I was requested to pass on, and wanted to get Charles' attention.

Once I wanted to get Charles attention and Tell him sometime..SO I DOWDINGED HIM! and said oh charles..did you know this? From that point I just send him a little text message on the contact page..But I was new and when you think about it..It was a stupid rookie mistake...But it was kind of funny to do at the time...
Kick me lizards! LOL

909 Outrider  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 1:11:52pm

re: #899 calcajun

"If you experience an erection lasting more than four hours, please call a doctor--as soon as your wife unties you from the bed."////

eh. If they were really ready, they wouldn't be in separate bathtubs would they?

910 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 1:12:07pm

Moving on--->

911 Morganfrost  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 1:12:54pm

re: #75 gmsc

Good point. I find it interesting that the people who deny the Holocaust are invariably the very people who would most approve of the whole idea.

912 [deleted]  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 1:13:01pm
913 DisturbedEma  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 1:13:25pm

re: #900 Iron Fist

I am hoping with dear leader in office, Israel realizes, finally, that she needs to keep her own interests in mind, and realizes the utter folly of "concessions"

Once and for ALL!

914 OldLineTexan  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 1:13:41pm

re: #909 Outrider

eh. If they were really ready, they wouldn't be in separate bathtubs would they?

Maybe he has to jump out of the one and cool it off in the other every so often...

915 Outrider  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 1:14:26pm

re: #914 OldLineTexan

Maybe he has to jump out of the one and cool it off in the other every so often...

must be that four hour thing. ;-)>

916 notutopia  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 1:14:44pm

re: #884 Dianna

I know, but you quoted, rather than replied.

Your comment is gone - I quoted your reply so people could see what you'd said, without the inflammatory quote.

Thank you Dianna.

917 DisturbedEma  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 1:14:58pm

re: #907 LeePro

Now now, dear, LGF is not really one of THOSE sites. . .officially that is :)

Hold the self flagellation. . .

918 calcajun  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 1:16:08pm

re: #909 Outrider

Fences make good neighbors, but cast iron makes a great diaphragm.///

919 debutaunt  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 1:16:48pm

re: #766 Blue Pinky

I love how this "cleric" is holding a pen, as if he's Howie Long or someone on a sports show. What the hell is he writing down?

A nasty note to the dry cleaner about his 'shawl' not fitting his head anymore.

920 Creeping Eruption  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 1:16:58pm

re: #917 DisturbedEma

Now now, dear, LGF is not really one of THOSE sites. . .officially that is :)

Hold the self flagellation. . .

Not the right thread for that.

921 Blue Pinky  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 1:17:18pm

re: #893 calcajun

On the same line, how can people deny what happened when there are paper trails establishing the creation of the einsatzgruppen? There is evidence of what happened at Babi Yar and other places. There are plans and blueprints for the construction of gas chambers and crematoria designed to swallow thousands at one blow. It happened. The Germans (not just the Nazis)-- der Deutches Volk did it.

If not--if it never happened, then where are the six million Jews that vanished from the face of the Earth? They did not move "east"--after more than 60 years, someone would have sent a postcard. Where are the millions of Gypsies? Where are the thousands of Jehovah's Witnesses, homosexuals, Communists, and other dissidents? They were systematically murdered, either gassed, or were killed by slow starvation and privation.

The tragedy is that this form of industrialized slaughter is not new. And, it can happen--and has--and will--happen again.

I don't think you can apply logic to the illogical. Holocaust Denial is obviously not based on logic and fact. It's about hate. Hate doesn't need logic. It's blind.

922 [deleted]  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 1:17:25pm
923 calcajun  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 1:17:52pm

re: #917 DisturbedEma

Now now, dear, LGF is not really one of THOSE sites. . .officially that is :)

Hold the self flagellation. . .

I feel that people should not engage in self-flagellation--they should hire a professional.

924 [deleted]  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 1:19:37pm
925 Blue Pinky  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 1:19:38pm

re: #919 debutaunt

A nasty note to the dry cleaner about his 'shawl' not fitting his head anymore.

If that were the case he'd be holding a meat cleaver. Just to ensure that the Islam-hating so-called dry-cleaning entity won't be able to perpetrate a crime like that against peace-loving people ever again.

926 calcajun  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 1:20:10pm

re: #921 Blue Pinky

I don't think you can apply logic to the illogical. Holocaust Denial is obviously not based on logic and fact. It's about hate. Hate doesn't need logic. It's blind.

Ike even saw it coming. That's why he had the Army Signal Corps film the daylights out of every camp the western Allies liberated. He said he wanted it documented because the the day would come when someone would say it never happened.

927 Blue Pinky  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 1:23:23pm

re: #926 calcajun

Ike even saw it coming. That's why he had the Army Signal Corps film the daylights out of every camp the western Allies liberated. He said he wanted it documented because the the day would come when someone would say it never happened.

yeah, but again, video evidence will not convince the unconviceable. Spielberg's Shoah Foundation interviews with survivors also won't. They ears don't hear and their eyes don't see. They are haters, in every sense of the word. Don't let their sophisticated slick presentation fool you.

928 Ringo the Gringo  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 1:23:34pm

That was just about the most disturbing and offensive video I've ever seen.

/....I wish I could say that I was shocked, but I'm not.

929 lurking faith  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 1:23:37pm

re: #628 Spare O'Lake

With all due respect, this is not about you or LeePro.
If you are what you claim then you would appreciate the sentiment that these monstrosities must be viewed repeatedly in order to promote and preserve the truth.
Besides, this particular video is unique in that it is overlaid with Arab anti-semitic propoganda, and so it is not simply a rehash of holocaust footage.
BTW I find it hard to believe that someone with your credentials would not have watched the entire video.
The video should be viewed by everyone.

Spare O'Lake, I don't know why you find it hard to believe that Cato, having watched countless hours of Holocaust footage, does not wish to view more.

I also have watched many hours of footage; vastly more than most people - although probably nowhere near the amount that Cato must have seen in the course of that project - and I am fluent in German and have read a number of Nazi records, listened to Hitler on film, etc. So I am not just guessing or imagining what the Nazis did; I already know. I have already witnessed.

As a result, my first reaction when someone tells me I have to watch a Holocaust video is: "No, I don't. I've seen far more than I ever needed to, and I remember them all." As for watching the Egyptian cleric's reaction to the clips: Do you think none of the Nazi leaders expressed such joy at their humiliation and murder of the Jews?

This video sounds like a remake: different actor, but the same script (with variations). I'm more than willing to recommend it to people who need to see it due to their ignorance, whether of the Holocaust or of radical Islam, but I don't think it's necessary to put myself through seeing it. (If I had less trust in LGF for accurately describing the video's content, that would be a different matter.)

930 resize  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 1:23:46pm

Unbelievable!

931 Cheese Eating Victory Monkey  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 1:27:39pm

re: #792 Blue Pinky

Nope. The ad is gone now, but I took a screenshot.

932 J.S.  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 1:28:22pm

re: #907 LeePro

Well, wait a second. Actually, I didn't particularly agree with Cato the Elder's points about Obama, either...(I'd like to get back to the notion that it was "wise" (or was it unwise?) of Obama to become a fawning sychophant to the Arab/Muslim world through that television interview...My first point would be that Obama did not sound as if he were promoting the glories of American freedoms and individual rights -- far from it -- Obama sounded far more contrite and apologetic about Amerikkka...and with respect to Iran -- Obama was reiterating his wish to reach out and touch a Mullah, in love and friendship -- sounded to me as if he would be doing far more to prop up the Mullahs, and give them added stature, etc.)

933 LeePro  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 1:31:46pm

re: #887 yma o hyd

{LeePro}

You've just shown why Lizards are indeed a breed apart!

Thank you, and upding!

Thank you.

934 Cato the Elder  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 1:34:03pm

re: #846 LeePro

re: #492 Cato the Elder

re: #567 Cato the Elder

re: #569 yma o hyd

I see that I owe apologies to several people. Had I known at the original post that the writer had such an admirable history of his own, I probably would have reacted differently. I must, however, stick with my own convictions that it is wrong for the POTUS to crawl into the lap of our enemies, who have made it abundantly clear, in print, in audio, and in videos such as this one, that they are beyond reason at any level.

Cato, I do admire and commend you and your exemplary accomplishments and your dedication to this cause. I apologize for the offense I have given you.

LeePro, I thank you for the gracious apology, and sincerely accept it. I also respect your opinion about POTUS. I don't necessarily see the Muslim world as a monolithic "they", any more than the West is a monolith, or Christianity, or black or white people. But this is something we can discuss and I welcome your viewpoint.

Thank you again for writing that. I look forward to getting to know you better.

935 bombarafat  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 1:38:57pm

This guy must be from an alternate LOONiverse.

936 lurking faith  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 1:39:05pm

re: #903 Outrider

wonder when these same guys will realize we have been targets long before President Bush (either one) took office. ;-)>


I like to ask people what they know about the Barbary pirates.

937 G.Karp  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 1:41:42pm

This video should be sent to Geert Wilders defense team immediately.

I suppose we should be grateful for the honesty. I hope it puts an end to "Godwin's Law". Sometimes Nazi analogies are appropriate.

938 LeePro  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 1:44:07pm

re: #932 J.S.

Well, wait a second. Actually, I didn't particularly agree with Cato the Elder's points about Obama, either...(I'd like to get back to the notion that it was "wise" (or was it unwise?) of Obama to become a fawning sychophant to the Arab/Muslim world through that television interview...My first point would be that Obama did not sound as if he were promoting the glories of American freedoms and individual rights -- far from it -- Obama sounded far more contrite and apologetic about Amerikkka...and with respect to Iran -- Obama was reiterating his wish to reach out and touch a Mullah, in love and friendship -- sounded to me as if he would be doing far more to prop up the Mullahs, and give them added stature, etc.)

Exactly. And thank you. Your post is precisely what my feelings were in the beginning of this debate, but you have voiced penned typed them much better than I.

939 [deleted]  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 1:48:53pm
940 BatGuano  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 1:51:36pm

Boy, apropos, of nothing , LFG is a tough room. Even when lizards agree with one another generally some nit pick it and find fault with every post. I am just saying.

941 Flavia  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 1:51:45pm

re: #37 MandyManners

It's a repost but, what the heck.

I have a suggestion of what to do with his beard that involves tweezers and rubbing alcohol or a rope and a door knob but, I'll refrain from posting it.

When I think of this creature combined w/a rope & a door, it's Not his BEARD I'm thinking of - but, oddly enough, it does involve tweezers - and a magnifying glass (so I can find the specific anatomy...).

(FTR, Obama has also insisted to Arab entities that Israel has the right to exist - I think he is more naive than anything, if he thinks this and his "no precondition" stuff is actually going to work.)

942 [deleted]  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 1:52:06pm
943 [deleted]  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 1:52:28pm
944 BatGuano  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 1:53:35pm

re: #936 lurking faith

Thomas Jefferson sent Marines to smack them down.

945 [deleted]  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 1:54:53pm
946 BatGuano  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 2:00:38pm

re: #944 BatGuano

Fellow historian (I'm an amateur).

947 tjseagrove  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 2:02:30pm

So, little Hitler from Iran says the Holocaust didn't happen but wants it to happen. This guy says it did and wants more of it.

Who is sicker?

948 LeePro  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 2:09:14pm

re: #934 Cato the Elder

You're welcome. It's unfortunate, however, that with your extensive "credentials," you still found it necessary to continue to bash me and my viewpoints in your responses to other people (#s 567, 660, 689, 712, just to mention a few), especially this threat...
re: #567 Cato the Elder

Have the courtesy to be respectful or you will find yourself talking to no one at all.


...which I'm not at all sure you have the "credentials" to carry out.





btw, MANDY:
Thank you for this.

949 BatGuano  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 2:11:02pm

re: #947 tjseagrove

The muslim world is sick and contradictory . They say the holocaust never happened and that Hitler didn't go far enough faster.

950 Cathy in Northern Virginia  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 2:11:46pm

Hi Everyone,

I haven't read all 900 or so comments so please forgive me
if I say something that a hundred people already said!

I didn't want to watch the gruesome holocaust pictures so
I watched the entire video with my hand covering the video
portion and just read the subtitles. The text to this is horrible
by itself. This man is enjoying the suffering of the holocaust
victims. I guess you would have to call this holocaust porn.
What a cold man that cleric must be to enjoy the suffering
of people he never met and judging them deserving of this
suffering.

951 BatGuano  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 2:15:27pm

re: #943 ploome hineni

This is my 10 day anniversary. It is one thing to skim the posts, another to actually post.Oy!

952 jhrhv  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 2:16:17pm

Obama said they aren't all like this right...lets see how many of them come out and condemn this video.

953 Catttt  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 2:21:21pm

Waves at Cato.

954 BatGuano  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 2:21:53pm

re: #950 Cathy in Northern Virginire: #950 Cathy in Northern Virginia

Yes he was enjoying the death of the Jews and I have been questioning the morality of those who allowed it to be broadcast and those in the Egyptian world who didn't object.

955 path  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 2:21:55pm

re: #24 Ojoe

We are dealing with primitives here, or throwbacks, who have not achieved the level of rationality, I think.

You do understand that more and more of these "primitives" are moving into America and having lots and lots of babies.

956 calcajun  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 2:22:53pm

re: #955 path

You do understand that more and more of these "primitives" are moving into America and having lots and lots of babies.

I like to think of the Muslim world as being two paradigm shifts short of an Enlightenment.

957 robdouth  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 2:24:20pm

"Egyptian TV: Cleric Wishes for Another Holocaust"

because it's becoming harder and harder to deny the first one, so they need another one to deny...

958 Mich-again  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 2:25:02pm

I wish I had a dollar for every dumpy looking fatass muslim wearing a tablecloth spouting Allah be willing on Jihad TV.

959 Wilderstad  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 2:25:40pm

I had a social studies teacher in high school that steeped us in the horrors of WWII. I also have European parents that lived through WWII as children and their stories of seeing their Jewish neigbours one day and not the next and men having to drop their trousers to prove they weren't Jews.
To see this historical footage, used to promote another genocide by Arabs on Jews makes my stomach roil and my heart sick. We all know the Jews are the canary in the coal mine for the rest of we Christians, infidels and unbelievers.
All I can hope and wish for is eternal vigilance, exposure of the lies, and that the Muslims that believe this garbage get wise to the manipulation and lies.
Jews won't lay down and be quietly herded to their certain deaths, nor will people like you and me here allow it.

960 PayBackTime  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 2:33:40pm

This nazi scumbag cleric will be invited to teach a seminar at UC Irvine, Columbia, write an Op-Ed at the Guardian/Independent, have a Chat Show on Al-BBC, breaking bread with "Bishop" Williamson.

961 Buck  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 2:47:34pm

re: #818 razorbacker

I find myself asking the same question of Amin Al-Ansari. Who in hell would take this fellow's word regarding the Holocaust?

It is enough that he is on TV. The power of TV is so huge. So many people believe everything they see on TV.

And the lie, no matter how huge, gets repeated and repeated.

962 tradewind  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 2:50:04pm

Eewww. Looking at that piece of human debris really drives home the dangers of inbreeding.

963 Summer Seale  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 2:51:54pm

I can't really think what else to say other than this:

If it was acceptable, correct, and justified to say that somebody should put a bullet in Himmler's head sixty four years ago, why would it be unacceptable to say the same today about this preacher?

I do not see the difference, and neither should the rest of the world. The fact that we now differentiate speaks volumes about our own insanity.

Maybe it's a bit harsh for today, maybe it'll get my comment deleted, but I stand by my logic and reason.

964 Dr. Shalit  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 2:57:52pm

Methinks the fellow wearing the tea towel as a hat is engaging in a bit of PROJECTION don'tcha think?

-S-

965 twincitiesgirl  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 3:00:35pm

My all time favorite books from my childhood, The Diary of Anne Frank, which I read at age 12, and Man's Search for Meaning, read a few years later, had a profound impact on me. I will ALWAYS stand with Israel and the Jewish people. My heart breaks for all the suffering they've had to endure.

966 J.S.  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 3:03:32pm

OT (?)

Someone today provided a link to the State Department's press briefings...(this relates to Arab antisemitism, UN antisemitism, and antisemitism in general)...and one of the questioners asked about U.S. participation in Durban II...the "answer" from the State Dept. is that a decision hasn't yet been reached...Soooo, it sounds as if it's an open question as to whether or not the U.S. will be attending an anti-Jewish, anti-Israel, antisemitic hate fest, known as Durban II (i know, it has a different official name and i don't think it's scheduled to be held in Durban, etc.)....

967 onepistoffyid  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 3:22:24pm

Is Bishop Richard Williamson going to be a guest on this program soon?

968 jcbunga  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 3:23:21pm

Somewhere a Pizza Hut is missing a table cloth

969 Jimash  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 3:28:38pm

re: #11 buzzsawmonkey

It is very instructive. One of the most vile peices of propaganda I have had the misfortune to come across. But People need to know how much these guys look up to the you-know-whozis.

970 So What  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 3:31:29pm

Yea the Germans were strong and got their butts kicked numb nuts. Whats your point? Dont forget we made a point with the Jap's as we can with you too.

971 Dr. Shalit  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 3:50:51pm

re: #969 Jimash

It is very instructive. One of the most vile peices of propaganda I have had the misfortune to come across. But People need to know how much these guys look up to the you-know-whozis.

Jimash -

Consider people like that to be BIZZARRO KLINGONS. Real Klingons, like Spartans, had some sense of honor and reality. That is all.

-S-

972 Cato the Elder  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 3:57:22pm

re: #948 LeePro

You're welcome. It's unfortunate, however, that with your extensive "credentials," you still found it necessary to continue to bash me and my viewpoints in your responses to other people (#s 567, 660, 689, 712, just to mention a few), especially this threat...
re: #567 Cato the Elder

...which I'm not at all sure you have the "credentials" to carry out.

Oh, you really want to go there? I did NOT bash you and your viewpoints - I took exception to personal invective and insult. And I at no time responded in kind, to you or to others. I called attention to your slanders. I pointed out that calling people names when you disagree with them is not a good way to debate. Check your down-dings to see that's a fact.

If you had made your original point without the six (count 'em, six!) personal insults, you would have received quite a different answer.

As for threatening you, that's not in my power. What I said was: "Have the courtesy to be respectful or you will find yourself talking to no one at all." People will draw their own conclusions from the way you present yourself here. There have been plenty on LGF who started with the invective against other members and found themselves isolated and ignored. I for my part hope that does not happen to you. But if you continue to wig out about being called on your self-righteous, arrogant attitude as exhibited in your original posts to me, you will see where it gets you.

As for your sniping at my "credentials", you sound like a three-year-old.

I'll consider your apology retracted and simply ignore you in the future. Life is too short and you're not worth my time.

973 cracker-crusader  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 4:09:27pm

The difference between Egypt and the US:

If this POS was American, by now he'd be in prison after having abducted and molested several young girls and boys, and probably graduated to torturing a few to death. He'd have had his face beaten into new and exciting shapes (thanks Mr Stephen King) and would now be on death row.

In Egypt he fetched up with a fascist political movement masquerading as a faith, and rocketed to the top of late-night incompetence-driven Gyppo-TV.

Hooray for America, where scum like this can never hit the big leagues. Would suck to be one of his child victims though...

974 Spiny Norman  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 4:11:14pm

re: #924 Iron Fist

Yes, Nazi Germany stands out as horrible as much as for the reasons people were being killed as the actual death toll itself. The 20th Century is filled with monsters who butcher their own people and feed on their corpses (sometimes literally; Think of Idi Amin, or the Cultural Revolution in China). One reason the Nazis stand out is because they almost succeeded.

Have you ever seen the movie Fatherland with Rutger Howard? It is a really, really good alternate history set in a world where the Nazis were victorious in WWII. Nearly all evidence of the death camps and genocide have been covered up. Howard plays the part of a contieance SS Officer who stumbles onto the evidence and tracks it down and exposes it. It is an interesting plot, that came too close to comfort to being true.

Rutger Hauer, the Dutch actor, you mean.

That TV movie (!) is an excellent adaptation of an excellent book, btw.

975 infideldogma  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 4:40:10pm

wow. that is among the most vile poison filled propaganda I've ever seen.
I hope to read the news one day to find somebody pushed him into a barrel of acid.

976 kywrite  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 4:47:35pm

Americans and other Westerners outside those who follow Memri and other truth-tellers have no concept of how permeated the Islamic cultures are with this crap. We have (ostensibly) free press. We are exposed to many cultures, and can seek out more information via the [Link: WWW...] we wish. The children of Egypt and Arabia and Iran are force-fed this dreck. If you were never told the truth, if your parents and teachers and television shows all told you the Jew was evil, you would probably grow up thinking that Jews should be destroyed.

In a very real way, we Westerners are innocent of that. While PMSNBC and others do their best to force-feed us a particular view, we have hundreds of other outlets to turn to; it is only the lazy-minded who are enculturated, not those who ask questions. While we are blessed with this freedom of thought, however, it makes it very, very difficult to understand how terrible, and how real, the reverse is -- and not just in the Middle East, but in Russia, in China, in Korea. They are murdering their own children in the name of -- what? Power? God? Money? I don't know anymore.

I fear we will see a lot of fresh glass created before this is over.

977 Aye Pod  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 5:07:50pm

re: #948 LeePro

What a performance that was. Everyone who updinged your 'sincere apologies' should go back and make them downdings.

978 kywrite  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 5:30:42pm

re: #230 Golem Akbar
(responding to why-don't-moderate-Muslims-speak-out:

Naturally. Silence is consent. Which is why their silence after 9/11 was so horrifying.

They WEREN'T all silent. My husband, who subsequent to 9/11 joined the Navy with the full support and accolades of his co-workers, worked side-by-side with a couple of dozen or more Moroccan Muslims -- and that morning, they were shocked and horrified, and glommed to the fact that it was Muslim radicals that did it before most Americans did.

In boot camp, the husband trained with Muslims as well, including a couple of excellent young sailors who joined because of 9/11.

Why don't we hear from them? Well, why isn't Rush Limbaugh afforded his rightful position as main anchor of a major news show? We all have a voice. Power and money, however, give voices amplification -- and the power and money in the Muslim world favor evil men.

979 nyc redneck  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 5:47:17pm

is the msm reporting this belligerent pos's statements?
this sob will get a pass. not called on his outrageous behavior.
not held accountable. as if he is a errant child. moslems are never going to own their bs until we rub their noses in it.
give them two fisted consequences.

and of course, imagine if a religious christian or jewish leader wished for a holocaust for rop'ers.
the nyt would run the story, front page, above the fold, for wks.
shameful. unforgivable.

980 BIGDUKE 6  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 6:37:30pm

re: #50 ryannon

But its not over the top. This Man's theories and ravings reflect the thinking of a large and vast majority of the Muslim Arab world. ROPMA.

981 Etaoin Shrdlu  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 7:07:42pm

Amin Al-Ansari sez:

The Jews spread corruption in the land during World Wars I and II


This is a Koranic reference (5:33) --

The only reward of those who make war upon Allah and His messenger and strive after corruption in the land will be that they will be killed or crucified, or have their hands and feet on alternate sides cut off, or will be expelled out of the land. Such will be their degradation in the world, and in the Hereafter theirs will be an awful doom.
982 Areopagitica  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 7:24:08pm

This video makes me want to vomit. I don't know what is more disturbing: the holocaust footage (which was shot by allied troops, not Nazis as this asshat TV personality suggested), or the coffee drinking asshat spewing garbage about the following conspiracy theories:

1. Theodore Herzel was a peace loving scientist who decided to make a ton of weapons and told the English to use them against Muslims

2. That Jews never started at the level of the poor but went for a country's leaders.

3. That the Jews caused WWI

4. That we took over and corrupted governments

5. That Dresden and Berlin looked just like Gaza because of Jewish influence to bomb Germany

6. That the youths Hitler sent to fight the Russians in 1945 should be praised.

etc.

WTF is wrong with these people? I've never seen a population so focused on crazy race hatred that they don't even bother to better themselves and their people and therefore live in total ignorance of history and reality. Why hasn't the US publicly condemn this crap both from capitol hill and the White House to the floor of the UN (that bastion of Islamic glory). God, and then Obama makes his feel good speech on Arab TV telling everyone that we will reform our image to the Arab world while the Arab world keep s airing stuff like this clown and his ilk Nahool the bee and Asud the Jooo-eating rabbit of Hamas.

I think we need to whip Hamas' ass, bulldoze the Gaza, set up some good publicly financed apartment buildings and build these Palestinians a golf course or something to help get their mind off of killing Jews and asking the West for aid money that it can use to help destroy the west.

983 guitarguy  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 8:04:08pm

.........if there was ever any doubt that we Have to kill these people.....to really get Biblical......watch that video......

984 Fierce Guppy  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 8:13:46pm

I imagine that Egyptian rat would have provoked some very dark fantasies on how to dispose of it, and he left me feeling inordinately dark.

985 tsionguy  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 8:37:27pm

I think the best response to Egyptian television programs such as this, is an all out boycott of Egyptian exports. The left has been calling for boycotts against Israel for years. Naomi Klein even published a recent article calling for one: [Link: www.naomiklein.org...]
So how about it? Down with Egyptian Cotton! (I can't think of any other exports!)

986 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 9:07:56pm

re: #618 Oh no...Sand People!

The Devil in Marie Curie...

"It glows!"

/sorry...

That would be Pierre.... :)

987 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 9:19:17pm

re: #793 CIA Reject

I wasn't aware of that. I knew about Operation Paperclip and the scramble for Nazi S&T assets (ie von Braun and his rocket scientists) but I did not know that it extended to non-technical assets.

Oh yes, we essentially built West German intelligence out of the old Nazi intelligence infrastructure.

[Link: www.washingtonpost.com...]

988 rawmuse  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 10:57:07pm

Gee, that posted vid is just plain vile. And evil.

989 cantrecant  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 11:36:47pm

Islamic fascists are mentally deranged as this and countless other videos clearly demonstrates. As they see it they are in a war to save their primitive culture from dying in the face of modernism. It's about proving by physical force that Mohamed was right and everybody else is wrong. Their most psychotic hatred is reserved for their Semitic brothers the Jews who have a rival and more successful religion which Mohamed adapted with significant modifications. Their hatred towards all other non-Muslims is tempered by the need for a necessarily sizable infidel population for slave labor and infidel-tax to keep an Islamic economy functioning.

990 ashan  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 11:58:58pm

And B HUSSEIN O is going to build bridges to the Muslim world. And respect them. And talk like father to son with them. (barf)
If he's not one of them, he's far too close.

Egypt is/not cooperating with halfassed US efforts to stop Iranian ships smuggling arms to Hamas (and then letting them go on some lame technicality) - another hastily drummed up agreement between Clueless Condi and Tzippi the Pinhead.

It appears that the Koran is not only a guidebook on rape, pillage and genocide, it also has a brain-retarding effect on those to adhere to its "teachings".

Boycotting Egypt would be a small start.

991 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 4:04:55am

Fellow Lizards,

In a fit of masochism, I just watched that damned thing again. I know the rules about what is proper to post, so I will attempt to censor my anger and speak as moderately as I am able.

There are some bits of Jewish law and tradition that I wish to point out.

"Remember what Amalek did to you."

Amalek was a tribe that attacked the rear of the exodus from Egypt. They killed the very old and the very young rather than face the warriors in the vanguard. The commentaries on Amalek are that when Israel left Egypt, the nations were in Awe of G-d. Amalek knew that they would loose even the cowardly attack that they made. However, they wanted to show that the Jews could be bloodied in the hopes that others would not fear attacking them. They were willing to die for the chance to kill.

Back then, Amalek was a full blown tribe. These days Amalek is more of a state of mind. It is anti-Israel in a brutal physical way that profanes G-d. They are a sort of evil counterpoint to Sodom and Gomorrah. Those people cared only for their own pleasures and their own perverse cruelties - for fun. They were wicked in a different way. They were a sort of debauched and degraded evil.

Amalek was always a steely, blood thirsty, and craven evil. They are not enraptured by vice. They are enraptured by easy carnage. They delight in murder and the tearing down of civilization, but they are cowardly. They prey on the weak and delight in the killing of women and children. They spread the idea that G-d will not protect the innocent and in corrupting the Name itself. They use lies and falsehoods to justify their evils. If a name is good, they wish to slander it. Amalek was always a pure evil directed right at the soul of, and all the civilized things about the Jews and their heritage.

Haman, the first person recorded to have attempted to kill all of the Jews was "of Amalek." Many would say that the Nazis were of Amalek. Many of Hamas are. I only say many of Hamas because to truly be of Amalek, you have to get off on the violence. I can imagine that there are some number of brainwashed kids who don't know any better in Hamas who are only acting as they were taught. Of course, they were taught by those who are of Amalek.

There is a positive commandment regarding Amalek. It is very simple. Kill them wherever you find them. Show no mercy.

The reason that Saul lost the throne was Amalek. He had won a great victory over them and had captured their king. Yet, Saul spared him.

"Whenever you are merciful to those who deserve justice, you will inevitably be cruel to those who deserve mercy."

Saul is the context of that quote. The idea is that if you spare an unrepentant serial murderer and let him go, you are being cruel to his next victim.

One final bit of Jewish legal thought.

"If you know for a fact that someone is coming to kill you tomorrow, you should get up early, and kill him first."

These are the toughest parts of Judaism - which is actually a generally pacifistic calling. However, when faced with real evil, we have a duty to not just fight it, but to obliterate it.

This man, and those who follow him, are of Amalek. Not all Muslims or Arabs are like him. The horrors shown in this video prove that being of Amalek is not limited to one place or time or nation. However, this is Amalek reveling in being Amalek - calling the nations to it's unholy struggle.

For all of the talk about G-d that we do, G-d was very clear about what to do with his like.

992 maxiton  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 6:46:42am

those lies about Herzl reminded me an old joke :

Two jews were standing in front of their store an one of them told his friend :

- Did you hear about Rosemberg who won 10 millions dollars in selling shoes ?

- Oh I know the story , it was not Rosemberg but Rosenfeld, there were not shoes but socks, there were not 10 million dollars but one thousand dollars and he did dot win them he lost them....

993 Mario  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 1:50:44pm

The fact that this most vile hatred can be broadcast to the Ummah, by an Islamic cleric, in the name of Allah, and not be loudly and roundly condemned by them really says it all. Clearly, if this view is not supported by them it is tolerated by them. To any civilized person this should be seen as so far beyond the pale as to intolerable and inconsistent with decent civilization.

994 Ed_Gibbon  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 4:54:07pm

For those who imagine a favorable outcome from appeasement, consider the observation of Ben Franklin “He that has done you a kindness will be more ready to do you another, than he whom you yourself have obliged”

As to the “message”…Utter nonsense! It’s so idiotic, that it’s difficult to take seriously. But we MUST

995 marsl  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 5:32:04pm

My question goes to Mossad.
Why you don't take care of this subject and demonstrate once and for all that any idiot making those kind of declarations will have a "third kind encounter" with a very angry jew and the result will be very ugly to the racist muslim?

Or making a criminal charge against this egypcian idiot in the egypcian courts?

This case deserves publicity. If the world public starts to know this cases, the attitude towards racist jihadis will change.

996 tntb  Thu, Jan 29, 2009 6:52:53am

re: #824 MrSilverDragon

I hope there was supposed to be a sarc tag there, but as it stands, I have to ding that down.

It was meant to be sarcasm, sorry if it wasn't obvious.

Um, you'd think that his video, in and of itself, would *prove* the existence of the Holocaust, or some similar event, which would mean my comment could have no other meaning than sarcasm.

Sorry I overestimated the average intelligence around here...

997 yellowroseoftexas  Thu, Jan 29, 2009 11:12:13am

I just hope someone circulates this to all the major news networks. Hopefully and prayerfully,maybe just 1 like Foxnews will show this. These crazy Muslims are the most evil, barbaric creatures since the Nazis. There no words in the english language to describe the outrage and horror I felt after watching this.


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