This is the latest video from Michael Fenenbock, whose group “The 18” is adamantly opposed to the creation of a Palestinian terror state on Israel’s border.
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Diamond Bullet Wed, Jan 28, 2009 9:19:59am |
Feh. They couldn't even handle starter greenhouses.
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Honorary Yooper Wed, Jan 28, 2009 9:20:32am |
There is a two-state solution, as there was in 1947. It's called "Jordan" and "Israel".
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sattv4u2 Wed, Jan 28, 2009 9:21:07am |
re: #2 VegasRick
This guy is pretty smart.
That he is, except that it's worse than he's stating. he says that Fatah would be in charge of building an infrastructure for a Pali state. Hamas is in charge (right now) and they are even more militant anti- Israeli than Fatah
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Kragarghazi Wed, Jan 28, 2009 9:21:07am |
End the Occupation of Israeli land by Arab Squatters.
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CIA Reject Wed, Jan 28, 2009 9:21:36am |
This man talks sense.
I'm sure he'll be viciously trashed by the MSM and all the other "usual suspects".
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maddogg Wed, Jan 28, 2009 9:21:57am |
He's preaching to the choir here. I think calling this White House to try to influence policy will have about as much affect as breaking wind in a hurricane.
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VegasRick Wed, Jan 28, 2009 9:22:29am |
re: #5 sattv4u2
That he is, except that it's worse than he's stating. he says that Fatah would be in charge of building an infrastructure for a Pali state. Hamas is in charge (right now) and they are even more militant anti- Israeli than Fatah
Fatah/Hamas, same shit, different flag.
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MandyManners Wed, Jan 28, 2009 9:22:58am |
We look to the hero of the Warsaw Ghetto Uprising for inspiration. In April 1943, a young Jew named Mordechai Anielewicz showed that a fearless handful of committed men and women can make a rebellion and he forever laid to rest the myth of the passive Jew.
the18 will challenge every aspect of the 2-state solution.
the18 will be organized as a 21st century political campaign.
the18 will operate strategically, intelligently, and relentlessly.
the18 will join the fight on a worldwide basis.
the18 will not be polite.
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FurryOldGuyJeans Wed, Jan 28, 2009 9:24:33am |
The Palestinians fought the British when it was the British Mandate, they fight the Israelis. When one so deeply ascribes to tribalism you won't find any solution acceptable no matter what it is.
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Ringo the Gringo Wed, Jan 28, 2009 9:25:22am |
I posted this earlier, but it fits this thread better....
The Mother of All Quagmires - Michael Totten
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jcm Wed, Jan 28, 2009 9:27:44am |
Fenenbock that sounds like a juice name!
He's a tool of the Zionist hegemony!
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18?
As in the 18 Mila Street HQ of Żydowska Organizacja Bojowa?
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Alouenghazi Wed, Jan 28, 2009 9:28:08am |
Even if the Palestinians get their "state" (they already have 2: Gaza and Jordan) they will keep demanding more pieces of Israel. The Galilee, the Negev. It will go on and on chipping away at Israel until there is nothing left.
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maddogg Wed, Jan 28, 2009 9:28:21am |
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faraway Wed, Jan 28, 2009 9:28:44am |
Al-Qaeda would blow up ‘Christ’s burial site’ says Israeli election favourite Netanyahu
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MandyManners Wed, Jan 28, 2009 9:29:09am |
re: #19 Alouette
Even if the Palestinians get their "state" (they already have 2: Gaza and Jordan) they will keep demanding more pieces of Israel. The Galilee, the Negev. It will go on and on chipping away at Israel until there is nothing left.
Maybe I'm wrong but, the thought of giving up Golan Heights terrifies me. It'd put Iran right next door.
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jcm Wed, Jan 28, 2009 9:29:13am |
re: #18 jcm
Fenenbock that sounds like a juice name!
He's a tool of the Zionist hegemony!
///////////////////////////////////////////18?
As in the 18 Mila Street HQ of Żydowska Organizacja Bojowa?
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Achilles Tang Wed, Jan 28, 2009 9:30:20am |
This guy just rubs me the wrong way. The message doesn't offer anything new that we already don't know and the staging seems, well, too staged for my liking.
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reine.de.tout Wed, Jan 28, 2009 9:30:58am |
re: #26 Naso Tang
btw - saw your follow-up questions and answered.
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Broomer Wed, Jan 28, 2009 9:31:14am |
Michael Fenenbock, if you're reading this, please have your videos subtitled or closed caption!
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justiceforall Wed, Jan 28, 2009 9:31:17am |
Mr. Fenenbock is very good with the dramatic hand gestures.
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Killgore Trout Wed, Jan 28, 2009 9:32:07am |
I'm a little suspicious of the "anti-2 state" thing. The Palestinians already have their own state. They hold elections, they have a flag and issue passports, collect taxes, etc. They are failing at it but they already have a state. We should end financial aid to the Palestinians but Rudy was our only hope for that and it's unlikely that even he would have ended it. There's no chance of American soldiers being sent to enforce peace. There's very little chance the UN or Eu would volunteer soldiers to become targets for the Palestinians.
I think I'm missing the nuance here but what is the alternative to a Palestinian state in Gaza and the West Bank? Are we talking about those territories being annexed by Israel?
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sattv4u2 Wed, Jan 28, 2009 9:32:30am |
re: #23 MandyManners
Maybe I'm wrong but, the thought of giving up Golan Heights terrifies me. It'd put
IranSYRIA right next door.
Iran doesn't have a border with Israel. It's much further east
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jcm Wed, Jan 28, 2009 9:33:03am |
re: #28 reloadingisnotahobby
Over the line.......
Dial it back a bit.
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Dustyvet Wed, Jan 28, 2009 9:33:36am |
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Shug Wed, Jan 28, 2009 9:33:38am |
re: #35 jcm
I predict that comment will be little glass beads as far as the eye can see shortly
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jorline Wed, Jan 28, 2009 9:33:39am |
The name "The 18" scares the crap out of me. It sounds elitist...kind of like "The One", divided by 18...lol
IIRC the novel "Tsar" had an inter circle in Russia called "The 13".
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Ben Hur Wed, Jan 28, 2009 9:33:43am |
re: #30 justiceforall
Mr. Fenenbock is very good with the dramatic hand gestures.
Which of course is really what we should be focusing on.
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sattv4u2 Wed, Jan 28, 2009 9:34:33am |
re: #39 Ben Hur
Which of course is really what we should be focusing on.
I've got THE ONE hand gesture I use extensivley!
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winston06 Wed, Jan 28, 2009 9:34:36am |
re: #34 sattv4u2
Iran is already bordered with Israel in 3 fronts: Hamas, Hezballah, Syria
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sattv4u2 Wed, Jan 28, 2009 9:35:37am |
re: #41 winston06
Iran is already bordered with Israel in 3 fronts: Hamas, Hezballah, Syria
I gave you one for that
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reloadingisnotahobby Wed, Jan 28, 2009 9:36:27am |
re: #33 Ben Hur
Could we just do it to Iran...Then give it to the Pali's?
I'm kidding of course ...But this has been going on for my life plus 30 years!
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Killgore Trout Wed, Jan 28, 2009 9:37:17am |
re: #13 MandyManners
One of the things that makes me suspicious is that although they are clearly opposed to the 2 state solution, they don't state anywhere what they are advocating instead.
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jcm Wed, Jan 28, 2009 9:37:34am |
re: #37 Shug
I predict that comment will be little glass beads as far as the eye can see shortly
Gone.
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faraway Wed, Jan 28, 2009 9:38:34am |
Obama Tells Arabia's Despots They're Safe
America's diplomacy of freedom is officially over.
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Creeping Eruption Wed, Jan 28, 2009 9:38:41am |
re: #45 Killgore Trout
One of the things that makes me suspicious is that although they are clearly opposed to the 2 state solution, they don't state anywhere what they are advocating instead.
What do you mean? They have always been very clear: Their state is from the Mediterranean to the Jordan River.
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CyanSnowHawk Wed, Jan 28, 2009 9:38:54am |
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reloadingisnotahobby Wed, Jan 28, 2009 9:39:10am |
re: #44 buzzsawmonkey
How and what could be done to "pressure any country to take them in!
NO ONE wants them,and havestated so many times!
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ArmyWife Wed, Jan 28, 2009 9:39:13am |
Congressman Gringrey is on Rush - he apologized for his statements.
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Shug Wed, Jan 28, 2009 9:39:39am |
re: #49 Iron Fist
'Splodeydope Mohammedans out of Judea!
(There. Someone is going to call me a racist over that one :-)
splodeydopist !
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Kosh's Shadow Wed, Jan 28, 2009 9:39:42am |
re: #32 Killgore Trout
I think I'm missing the nuance here but what is the alternative to a Palestinian state in Gaza and the West Bank? Are we talking about those territories being annexed by Israel?
Maybe re-distribute them proportionally to the Arab countries that threw out Jews in 1947. Tell those countries "resettle these people in lieu of reparations for the Jews you expelled".
There were approximately 650,000 Arab "refugees" and 850,000 Jews expelled. If there are more Arab refugees now it is because they grew, and they would have had they been absorbed back then.
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Creeping Eruption Wed, Jan 28, 2009 9:39:45am |
re: #50 Creeping Eruption
What do you mean? They have always been very clear: Their state is from the Mediterranean to the Jordan River.
Ignore my comment. I thought you were referencing the Pali's not the 18. I scrolled thought this too fast.
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jcm Wed, Jan 28, 2009 9:39:55am |
re: #38 jorline
The name "The 18" scares the crap out of me. It sounds elitist...kind of like "The One", divided by 18...lol
IIRC the novel "Tsar" had an inter circle in Russia called "The 13".
I you haven't read it. Leon Uris Mila 18.
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Erik The Red Wed, Jan 28, 2009 9:40:05am |
re: #45 Killgore Trout
One of the things that makes me suspicious is that although they are clearly opposed to the 2 state solution, they don't state anywhere what they are advocating instead.
We have been hearing about a two state solution for sooo long. They do not want it. It will never happen. I have said this before here. There is only ONE solution to this conflict and the world powers don't have the balls to do it.
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Ben Hur Wed, Jan 28, 2009 9:40:10am |
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sattv4u2 Wed, Jan 28, 2009 9:40:14am |
re: #50 Creeping Eruption
What do you mean? They have always been very clear: Their state is from the Mediterranean to the Jordan River.
He (Kilgore) means what solution, if not 2 state, does Michael Fenenbock propose for those in Gaza/ the West Bank now?
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Creeping Eruption Wed, Jan 28, 2009 9:40:18am |
re: #45 Killgore Trout
Ignore my above comment please.
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Green Helmet Guy Wed, Jan 28, 2009 9:40:43am |
Look at Fatah's head, Abbas, he has a doctorate in holocaust denial, wrote a book on it in fact.
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Creeping Eruption Wed, Jan 28, 2009 9:40:46am |
re: #61 sattv4u2
He (Kilgore) means what solution, if not 2 state, does Michael Fenenbock propose for those in Gaza/ the West Bank now?
I know, I wish there was a way to retract comments. I realized that after I sent it. My bad.
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sattv4u2 Wed, Jan 28, 2009 9:41:09am |
re: #64 Creeping Eruption
I know, I wish there was a way to retract comments. I realized that after I sent it. My bad.
n/p,,, BTDT
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Kragarghazi Wed, Jan 28, 2009 9:41:37am |
re: #49 Iron Fist
'Splodeydope Mohammedans out of Judea!
(There. Someone is going to call me a racist over that one :-)
How is saying Judea racist?
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Killgore Trout Wed, Jan 28, 2009 9:41:55am |
re: #44 buzzsawmonkey
Ending the perpetual welfare under which they live, and offering them one-time payments to relocate to the existing Palestinian state of Jordan--or to any one of our other fine assortment of Arab nations.
So they expect to relocate 3-4 million people from the West bank and Gaza and annex the land? It doesn't sound realistic or ethical and I don't think the Israeli government or people are interested in doing it.
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unreconstructed rebel Wed, Jan 28, 2009 9:42:15am |
re: #48 faraway
... he wants a return to "the same respect and partnership that America had with the Muslim world as recently as 20 or 30 years ago."
That, if I recall, was a "see no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil" policy for as long as cheap oil flowed.
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faraway Wed, Jan 28, 2009 9:42:31am |
re: #53 ArmyWife
Congressman Gringrey is on Rush - he apologized for his statements.
You notice he won't appear on the MSM to make the same statement. Too-faced.
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Killgore Trout Wed, Jan 28, 2009 9:43:40am |
re: #50 Creeping Eruption
What do you mean? They have always been very clear: Their state is from the Mediterranean to the Jordan River.
It seems that it is their plan, I guess if find it a little unbelievable.
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avanti Wed, Jan 28, 2009 9:43:44am |
I don't get his point. Yes, the Palestinians are no friends of Israel, maybe Fatah less then Hamas, but still. What would statehood do to make that more of a threat ? Could not Israel still crush them without breathing hard even if they had statehood ? As a state, the Pali's could not use the occupier card to justify their terrorism to the Arab world and the west.
Israel has defeated the entire Arab world time and again, they can handle a Palestinian state. If Israel accepts the concept, that's enough for me.
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CyanSnowHawk Wed, Jan 28, 2009 9:44:22am |
re: #51 CyanSnowHawk
Someone that can come with the lyrics for Brutal Planet understands people a whole lot better than Obama ever well.
well? WELL?
will.
PIMF. dammit.
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Kragarghazi Wed, Jan 28, 2009 9:44:54am |
re: #72 Killgore Trout
It seems that it is their plan, I guess if find it a little unbelievable.
Reasonable ideas has not exactly been a key trait amongst Islamic thinkers.
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Kenneth Wed, Jan 28, 2009 9:45:13am |
I am not in favor of a Palestinian state in any part of Judea, Samaria or Galilee and certainly not in Jerusalem. But I do have some questions about the argument that a Pali state would increase terrorism.
Given that Fatah and Hamas do nothing constructive in building a functional civil society in their respective parts of the proposed Palestinian state, what would be the difference if a Palestinian state was created?
Exactly how would the existence of a Palestinian state increase the level of terrorism the various Palestinian factions now engage in?
Since it is clear from the statements of numerous Palestinian leaders that a "2 State Solution" is merely a stepping stone to the destruction of Israel & a single Palestinian state, would the UN, EU and US grow disenchanted with a new Palestinian state that continues to engage in terrorism against Israel?
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Racer X Wed, Jan 28, 2009 9:45:35am |
Why is Obama threatened more by a talk show host (Rush) than he is by radical terrorist regimes in the middle east (Iran) who have repeatedly called for the destruction of American?
Power.
Control.
Submission.
hmmm.....
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pre-Boomer Marine brat Wed, Jan 28, 2009 9:45:57am |
The Fenenbock video is "no longer available".
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Killgore Trout Wed, Jan 28, 2009 9:45:57am |
re: #61 sattv4u2
He (Kilgore) means what solution, if not 2 state, does Michael Fenenbock propose for those in Gaza/ the West Bank now?
It seems they are talking about clearing out the Palestinians.
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winston06 Wed, Jan 28, 2009 9:46:17am |
OT: ((throught Karl Rove @ twitter.com))
KarlRove Will join O'Reilly tonight to talk about President Obama's economic stimulus bill & Conyers subpoena—8 PM ET
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MJ Wed, Jan 28, 2009 9:47:36am |
New York Times conitnues to bleed:
Times Co. Results Reflect Ad Slump
Battered by a steep drop in newspaper advertising, The New York Times Company on Wednesday reported fourth-quarter income of $27.6 million, or 19 cents a share, down 47.5 percent from a year earlier....
...For the year, the company lost $57.8 million, after more than $300 million in non-cash charges. That compared with a profit of $208.7 million in 2007....
[Link: www.nytimes.com...]
Die already.
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Green Helmet Guy Wed, Jan 28, 2009 9:47:43am |
re: #34 sattv4u2
Iran doesn't have a border with Israel. It's much further east
Syria already has a boarder with Israel: Quneitra Crossing
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ShumBaayaMyLord Wed, Jan 28, 2009 9:47:52am |
Agree with #26 Naso Tang. The first video of Fenenbock's that was displayed here on LGF struck me as (apart from being "too staged") heart-in-the-right-place-but-brain-not-engaged. For instance, Fenenbock likened giving the Palestinians a state to giving over LA to the Bloods and Crips. A wholly inept simile, both in terms of what the Palestinians are actually after (Jewish genocide), and in terms of making an appeal to Americans of goodwill who would usually be ready to go along with anything the likes of Fenenbock might say--so long as he doesn't sound like he's going to complain in the next breath about being unable to get decent yardwork help anymore these days.
Fenenbock's intentions would seem to be above reproach. (From my perspective anyway.) But with all due respect, he's no Norman Podhoretz.
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winston06 Wed, Jan 28, 2009 9:48:20am |
re: #1 Ben Hur
Palestine never existed as a state on any map. ;-)
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boxman Wed, Jan 28, 2009 9:48:37am |
Look at the map of British Mandatory/League of Nations Palestine from 1924? - 1948; it includes all the "West Bank", Gaza, and a whole lot of what's now Jordan. Why are the West Bank "settlers" a problem? Should the whole area be Jew-free for there to be peace?
The bald fact is that the barbarians will never be satisfied (at which point they'll start killing each other in earnest) until they achieve their stated goal of "from the river to the sea".
Unfortunately, my libtard friends don't seem to want to acknowledge this ...
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robin Wed, Jan 28, 2009 9:48:55am |
Michael Fenenbock is correct in his assessment. There is no two state solution. The only solution is a one state solution. It would make total sense if Islamists weren't trying their utmost to murder Jews.
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avanti Wed, Jan 28, 2009 9:49:31am |
re: #63 Green Helmet Guy
Look at Fatah's head, Abbas, he has a doctorate in holocaust denial, wrote a book on it in fact.
Again, he did not deny the holocaust in his 80's book, but did question the number killed, suggested it might be as low as a million. He later recanted probably to appear more moderate.
BTW, there is no "Doctorate of Holocaust Denial"
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Son of the Black Dog Wed, Jan 28, 2009 9:49:41am |
To: winston06
From: Son of the Black Dog
You might want to reconsider your practice of down-dinging every comment that Mandy makes. It might lead to many of us up-dinging every comment SHE makes, even the ones that say BBIAW, and down dinging every comment YOU make, regardless of whether or not we agree with that particular comment. If you want to keep your hold on the bottom 10 comments - go ahead, make our day. Something tells me I'll have a lot of help. Ref. your comment #223 on the last thread.
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reloadingisnotahobby Wed, Jan 28, 2009 9:49:55am |
re: #81 winston06
I Allways get the feeling Karl Rove understates his true feelings when interviewed anywhere!
Hope he writes a book abouthisyears in the Bush Admin....
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Achilles Tang Wed, Jan 28, 2009 9:50:05am |
re: #80 ploome hineni
If there is one thing that rub me worse than overstaged video clips it's numerology fans.
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Daisy Wed, Jan 28, 2009 9:50:20am |
re: #32 Killgore Trout
I'm a little suspicious of the "anti-2 state" thing. The Palestinians already have their own state. They hold elections, they have a flag and issue passports, collect taxes, etc. They are failing at it but they already have a state. We should end financial aid to the Palestinians but Rudy was our only hope for that and it's unlikely that even he would have ended it. There's no chance of American soldiers being sent to enforce peace. There's very little chance the UN or Eu would volunteer soldiers to become targets for the Palestinians.
I think I'm missing the nuance here but what is the alternative to a Palestinian state in Gaza and the West Bank? Are we talking about those territories being annexed by Israel?
We should end financial aid - exactly. But we won't. And so we'll keep doing the equivalent of handing loads of cash to an active drug addict and wondering why he keeps the destruction going.
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winston06 Wed, Jan 28, 2009 9:50:27am |
re: #89 robin
I have a lot of Israeli friends (literally from Israel) and they are no softies or liberals. But they want a two state solution, of course minus Hamas.
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Shug Wed, Jan 28, 2009 9:50:34am |
Oh Good, John Conyers has issued a subpoena?
what in his wife's Criminal case?
/wishing
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goddessoftheclassroom Wed, Jan 28, 2009 9:50:49am |
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winston06 Wed, Jan 28, 2009 9:50:58am |
re: #92 reloadingisnotahobby
AFAIK, he is writing one. You can follow him on Twitter.com
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blangwort Wed, Jan 28, 2009 9:51:04am |
Making a two state system work in the middle east is like finding those proverbial "moderate Muslims." If they are there, they do a damned good job of hiding themselves. And likewise, expecting a moderate Palestinian government in a sea of radical foam-in-the-mouth religious nuts is not going to work.
This is something we really ought to keep our distance from. We can never negotiate with those who start from the assumption that everything they say is God's will and everything the West stands for is so evil that they can lie and cheat without recourse. They should be thankful that the Israelis have such an aversions to genocide that these "refugees" are even yet encouraged to live in peace. The history of Muslims isn't too stellar in this regard.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, Jan 28, 2009 9:51:06am |
re: #50 Creeping Eruption
What do you mean? They have always been very clear: Their state is from the Mediterranean to the Jordan River.
I thought they wanted all the land from the Atlantic to the Pacific --revive the old Caliphate and all . . .
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Walter L. Newton Wed, Jan 28, 2009 9:51:23am |
re: #81 winston06
To: winston06
From: Son of the Black DogYou might want to reconsider your practice of down-dinging every comment that Mandy makes. It might lead to many of us up-dinging every comment SHE makes, even the ones that say BBIAW, and down dinging every comment YOU make, regardless of whether or not we agree with that particular comment. If you want to keep your hold on the bottom 10 comments - go ahead, make our day. Something tells me I'll have a lot of help. Ref. your comment #223 on the last thread.
How old are you, really, just a ball park figure.
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Shug Wed, Jan 28, 2009 9:51:26am |
re: #91 Son of the Black Dog
To: winston06
From: Son of the Black DogYou might want to reconsider your practice of down-dinging every comment that Mandy makes. It might lead to many of us up-dinging every comment SHE makes, even the ones that say BBIAW, and down dinging every comment YOU make, regardless of whether or not we agree with that particular comment. If you want to keep your hold on the bottom 10 comments - go ahead, make our day. Something tells me I'll have a lot of help. Ref. your comment #223 on the last thread.
something tells me you're right
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Silhouette Wed, Jan 28, 2009 9:51:32am |
re: #78 pre-Boomer Marine brat
The Fenenbock video is "no longer available".
Interesting.
While jihadi videos are everywhere, is this another example of a fairly innocuous video getting the "TOS" boot?
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abaleh Wed, Jan 28, 2009 9:51:35am |
This is sort of off-topic, but the mention of the Warsaw Ghetto uprising reminded me of this. Still relevant after the Gaza war.
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eon Wed, Jan 28, 2009 9:51:42am |
The "two-state solution" is a perennial with people in the policy-making arena who just want the MidEast to go away as a problem. The idea being that if the Palestinians have a state, and Israel is a separate state, everyone will be happy.
As Michael Totten points out, not when 53.6% of the Palestinians define Israel itself as "occupied Palestinian territory". As for what happens when you have an autonomous Palestinian state next door to Israel, Qassam rockets are a good indication of the Palestinians' interest in building a workable state, even with help from everyone else on Earth.
We once more find ourselves confronted by the problem no one wants to talk about in the region; namely, how do you negotiate with someone whose basic, immovable position is not just "I demand you give me your land" but also "And then I will kill you because your existence offends my god." While not all Palestinians believe this way, again as Totten points out, their leaders do. And they're the ones with the guns.
I predict that all the One's attempts to force the "two-state" solution on Israel will accomplish is to guarantee another war. For which he will blame Israel. From his POV, this puts him in a "can win, cannot lose" situation. He comes out looking like the good guy, either way. Which, I suspect, is all he really cares about, anyway.
/It's all about him.
cheers
eon
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yma o hyd Wed, Jan 28, 2009 9:52:05am |
re: #76 Kenneth
I am not in favor of a Palestinian state in any part of Judea, Samaria or Galilee and certainly not in Jerusalem. But I do have some questions about the argument that a Pali state would increase terrorism.
Given that Fatah and Hamas do nothing constructive in building a functional civil society in their respective parts of the proposed Palestinian state, what would be the difference if a Palestinian state was created?
Exactly how would the existence of a Palestinian state increase the level of terrorism the various Palestinian factions now engage in?
Since it is clear from the statements of numerous Palestinian leaders that a "2 State Solution" is merely a stepping stone to the destruction of Israel & a single Palestinian state, would the UN, EU and US grow disenchanted with a new Palestinian state that continues to engage in terrorism against Israel?
You gotta be joking! They haven't become disenchanted when Arafish did nothing to stop the 2nd Intifada, they aren't disenchanted with Hamastan now, why would they change?
A change would only come if UN, EU, US politicians start to understand that the rethoric they think they hear is incompatible with what the Palesitians really want to achieve, not before.
And much as it pains me to say this - fat chance for that with the lot we've got at the moment!
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Lively Wed, Jan 28, 2009 9:52:11am |
re: #87 boxman
Look at the map of British Mandatory/League of Nations Palestine from 1924? - 1948; it includes all the "West Bank", Gaza, and a whole lot of what's now Jordan. Why are the West Bank "settlers" a problem? Should the whole area be Jew-free for there to be peace?
The bald fact is that the barbarians will never be satisfied (at which point they'll start killing each other in earnest) until they achieve their stated goal of "from the river to the sea".
Unfortunately, my libtard friends don't seem to want to acknowledge this ...
Make that no Jew dead or alive. When the Israelis withdrew a few years ago, they had to dig up graves and take their dead with them.
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FurryOldGuyJeans Wed, Jan 28, 2009 9:52:13am |
Why is it acceptable now by the rest of the world for America to meddle in the internal affairs of other countries when the past 8 years the rest of the world complained that our doing anything was a war crime?
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Opinionated Wed, Jan 28, 2009 9:52:20am |
....creation of a Palestinian terror state on Israel’s border.
There is only one thing worse then a "Palestinian" terror state on Israel's border.
Two "Palestinian" terror states on each side of Israel.
Even worse. These two terror States will have a corridor that cuts Israel right in half.
Whether they are ruled by the good terrorists or the bad terrorists or a future hybrid of these mutants, there will be two entities that the World will insist be joined at Israel's expense.
It is a recipe to disaster....and not just for Israel.
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Erik The Red Wed, Jan 28, 2009 9:52:56am |
re: #91 Son of the Black Dog
To: winston06
From: Son of the Black DogYou might want to reconsider your practice of down-dinging every comment that Mandy makes. It might lead to many of us up-dinging every comment SHE makes, even the ones that say BBIAW, and down dinging every comment YOU make, regardless of whether or not we agree with that particular comment. If you want to keep your hold on the bottom 10 comments - go ahead, make our day. Something tells me I'll have a lot of help. Ref. your comment #223 on the last thread.
Well said Black Dog. You said that far better than I did earlier. I just called him a prick for doing that.
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FurryOldGuyJeans Wed, Jan 28, 2009 9:53:13am |
re: #90 avanti
You need a sarcasm appreciation transfusion.
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winston06 Wed, Jan 28, 2009 9:53:35am |
re: #113 Opinionated
West Bank has been quiet under Fatah corrupt dictatorship. I think Gaza should be cleaned of its Hamas agents and be returned to either Egypt or Fatah. They know how to deal with these morons.
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goddessoftheclassroom Wed, Jan 28, 2009 9:53:52am |
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Green Helmet Guy Wed, Jan 28, 2009 9:54:00am |
re: #90 avanti
Again, he did not deny the holocaust in his 80's book, but did question the number killed, suggested it might be as low as a million. He later recanted probably to appear more moderate.
BTW, there is no "Doctorate of Holocaust Denial"
It's called sarcasm.
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pre-Boomer's SockPuppy Wed, Jan 28, 2009 9:54:07am |
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J.S. Wed, Jan 28, 2009 9:54:39am |
re: #101 Walter L. Newton
do you mean mentally or chronologically?
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Shug Wed, Jan 28, 2009 9:54:52am |
re: #115 vagabond trader
What is his wife up for?
Nothing yet.
But lots of fraud ( SHOCKING I know ) going on with Detroit City contracts for sludge removal ( the irony is so thick you can cut it with a knife )
word is several of the city council under FBI investigation, and Monica Conyers is one of them
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Alouenghazi Wed, Jan 28, 2009 9:55:00am |
Palestinians horrified by "racist" grafitti
Of course that doesn't include their own racist grafitti, provided for comparison.
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CyanSnowHawk Wed, Jan 28, 2009 9:55:29am |
re: #73 avanti
I don't get his point. Yes, the Palestinians are no friends of Israel, maybe Fatah less then Hamas, but still. What would statehood do to make that more of a threat ? Could not Israel still crush them without breathing hard even if they had statehood ? As a state, the Pali's could not use the occupier card to justify their terrorism to the Arab world and the west.
Israel has defeated the entire Arab world time and again, they can handle a Palestinian state. If Israel accepts the concept, that's enough for me.
That assumes that the conflict will stop with the establishment of the second state. Only the most naive believe that, and even they have the occasional doubt.
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lawhawk Wed, Jan 28, 2009 9:55:31am |
re: #118 winston06
West Bank has been quiet under Fatah corrupt dictatorship. I think Gaza should be cleaned of its Hamas agents and be returned to either Egypt or Fatah. They know how to deal with these morons.
Quiet is a relative term. The intifada continues, although with rocks and molotov cocktails, and not kassams and mortars.
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Daisy Wed, Jan 28, 2009 9:55:58am |
re: #77 Racer X
Why is Obama threatened more by a talk show host (Rush) than he is by radical terrorist regimes in the middle east (Iran) who have repeatedly called for the destruction of American?
Power.
Control.
Submission.hmmm.....
Freedom of the press is threatening to Obama. The MSM has willingly given up freedom, he's delusional if he thinks the genuine press/media will do the same.
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monkeytime Wed, Jan 28, 2009 9:56:29am |
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Opinionated Wed, Jan 28, 2009 9:56:38am |
re: #118 winston06
West Bank has been quiet under Fatah corrupt dictatorship. I think Gaza should be cleaned of its Hamas agents and be returned to either Egypt or Fatah. They know how to deal with these morons.
The only way to achieve some semblance of peace is to forget the concept of a "Palestinian" State.
Egypt rules Gaza. Jordan rules areas of the West Bank.
In the near future the vast majority of Jordanians who consider themselves Palestinian Arabs turn Jordan into the de faco Palestinian State.
It is the only solution.
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goddessoftheclassroom Wed, Jan 28, 2009 9:56:52am |
re: #121 pre-Boomer's SockPuppy
Of course! It's just that cats are smarter than dogs; for instance...
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winston06 Wed, Jan 28, 2009 9:58:15am |
re: #132 Opinionated
I totally agree with it. Palestine was never a state. Shouldn't be a state. They rejected it in 1948. They don't deserve it again
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Racer X Wed, Jan 28, 2009 9:58:31am |
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J.S. Wed, Jan 28, 2009 9:59:04am |
re: #131 monkeytime
You can "nullify" a mistaken down-ding by hitting the Up-ding (the two cancel each other out).
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Silhouette Wed, Jan 28, 2009 9:59:18am |
re: #90 avanti
Again, he did not deny the holocaust in his 80's book, but did question the number killed, suggested it might be as low as a million.
Do you agree that holocaust downplaying is wrong?
And that all those who seek, against overwhelming evidence, to say that it "wasn't so bad" have some sort of anti-Jewish agenda in downplaying it?
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pre-Boomer's SockPuppy Wed, Jan 28, 2009 9:59:45am |
re: #133 goddessoftheclassroom
Of course! It's just that cats are smarter than dogs; for instance...
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winston06 Wed, Jan 28, 2009 10:00:04am |
re: #126 lawhawk
true but I just get fed up when I see MSM crying wolf for these terrorists. I don't care about any arab Palestinian in either West bank or Gaza. They are to blame for their own miseries. Israel shouldn't bow to what the new US envoys want her to do. Israel should ignore the US demands and do what is best in her interest.
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Daisy Wed, Jan 28, 2009 10:00:53am |
re: #136 J.S.
You can "nullify" a mistaken down-ding by hitting the Up-ding (the two cancel each other out).
Ah, thanks for that .. I didn't know .. down dinged someone once by accident and just hoped it wouldn't be noticed, of course, it was .. :( now I know .
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ShumBaayaMyLord Wed, Jan 28, 2009 10:01:04am |
#106 eon
#107 buzzsawmonkey
What youse said.
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MandyManners Wed, Jan 28, 2009 10:01:11am |
re: #34 sattv4u2
Iran doesn't have a border with Israel. It's much further east
I know that. Iran would be next door in so far as they have control over Syria and Syria has control over Lebanon.
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MandyManners Wed, Jan 28, 2009 10:01:58am |
re: #45 Killgore Trout
One of the things that makes me suspicious is that although they are clearly opposed to the 2 state solution, they don't state anywhere what they are advocating instead.
To leave Israel alone?
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goddessoftheclassroom Wed, Jan 28, 2009 10:02:05am |
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Opinionated Wed, Jan 28, 2009 10:02:05am |
re: #90 avanti
Again, he did not deny the holocaust in his 80's book, but did question the number killed, suggested it might be as low as a million.
He's a semi Holocaust denier. Like being semi pregnant, I guess.
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Kenneth Wed, Jan 28, 2009 10:02:45am |
re: #109 yma o hyd
I was not joking with my questions. Which is not to say I agree with the naive assumptions from which the questions spring. It seems to me the whole rotten edifice of the Western diplomatic approach to "solving" the "Palestinian problem" is based upon historical ignorance, falsehoods and a naivety bordering on self-delusion. And that's only the nice people. There are also a good number of liberals & leftists in the west who are covertly or even overtly anti-Israel Jew-haters. Period. They cloak their bigotry under a cover of support for oppressed peoples and progressive international ideals.
I believe some of the first group, the naive, would be shocked & disillusioned to see Palestinian terrorism continue after the creation of a Palestinian state under a 2 State Solution. I am certain the second group would continue to support terrorism against Israel,
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MandyManners Wed, Jan 28, 2009 10:03:05am |
One hundred posts behind with a new thread? Fuggedaboutit.
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winston06 Wed, Jan 28, 2009 10:03:26am |
re: #147 Opinionated
Holocaust denial is like a national pastime in most Islamic countries.
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Killgore Trout Wed, Jan 28, 2009 10:03:28am |
re: #107 buzzsawmonkey
What is unethical about it?
Forcibly removing 4 million or so people and annexing their territory would be considered unethical by pretty much everybody on earth. Even the Chinese didn't have the stomach to perform ethnic cleansing when they took Tibet. Israel might have been able to do this in the 50's or 60's but they chose not to. The world would never stand by and let it happen today. Morality aside, the Israeli government nor the Israeli people have expressed any interest in this. As far as I know the settlers are a small minority in Israeli society. Today's Israel doesn't even have the will to really go into Gaza and scrub out Hamas, they certainly aren't going to drive the entire population out. This group should aim to change Israeli policy, the choice is ultimately theirs. He's barking up the wrong tree trying to change American policies.
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monkeytime Wed, Jan 28, 2009 10:03:33am |
re: #135 Racer X
OK - all corrected! Thanks for the tips!
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pre-Boomer Marine brat Wed, Jan 28, 2009 10:03:49am |
re: #133 goddessoftheclassroom
Of course! It's just that cats are smarter than dogs; for instance...
ROFLMAO!
MWAH!
I just emailed that link to my daughter!
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Silhouette Wed, Jan 28, 2009 10:04:06am |
re: #137 buzzsawmonkey
And do not forget the occasional knifing, which never makes the American press.
One night here on LGF, a poster from Isreal was just talking and mentioned that the Gazans were firing at them again.
"What?!" we asked, you are under fire RIGHT NOW?
He said it was a typical thing, that men in Gaza would just fire guns across the border at them, but that it was too far for any bullets to make it, so no one did anything about it.
Besides the fact that the attacks are ignored, I was most struck by the hate so strong that would cause someone to just impotently fire at the "enemy."
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abaleh Wed, Jan 28, 2009 10:04:43am |
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Opinionated Wed, Jan 28, 2009 10:05:13am |
re: #144 buzzsawmonkey
Why should Egypt get Gaza? Why should Jordan get any portion of the West Bank?
Why should the Arabs currently there stay there? They themselves call themselves "refugees"; that means they are waiting to be relocated.
So if they are waiting to be relocated, why not relocate them? Why does that relocation have to take place in any of the territory Israel holds?
Because I am discussing what is possible.
And the solution the World should accept and work for if the goal is really peace.
But they won't. And there will be endless wars which will get progressively worse.
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goddessoftheclassroom Wed, Jan 28, 2009 10:06:06am |
re: #153 pre-Boomer Marine brat
ROFLMAO!
MWAH!
I just emailed that link to my daughter!
Depending on your relationship with her husband/boyfriend, you might like to send her this one, too!
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pre-Boomer Marine brat Wed, Jan 28, 2009 10:07:24am |
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winston06 Wed, Jan 28, 2009 10:07:25am |
re: #155 abaleh
what they r good at is TERRORISM & Jew killing.
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yma o hyd Wed, Jan 28, 2009 10:08:28am |
re: #148 Kenneth
Agree.
Pity is that the first group will never get the chance to learn because the second group has taken over the MFM and the liberal/socialist parties, and a good chunk of any conservative parties to boot.
Frankly, I was unprepared for the blatant antisemitism on show everywhere during Operation Cast Lead.
But that, alas, is the way things are at present - and Israel better prepare to be even more alone and vilified than she is already.
And no, I don't know what to do about it, except to stand up for Israel wherever the opportunity arises and show up antisemitism's naked hatred.
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goddessoftheclassroom Wed, Jan 28, 2009 10:09:03am |
re: #158 pre-Boomer Marine brat
(*stymied* *launching flank attack*)
Oh, she showed up; he was late because he was still getting himself together...
(MWAH!)
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goddessoftheclassroom Wed, Jan 28, 2009 10:09:47am |
re: #161 goddessoftheclassroom
Oh, she showed up; he was late because he was still getting himself together...
(MWAH!)
TYPO ALERT: "Oh, he showed up..."
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Randall Gross Wed, Jan 28, 2009 10:09:52am |
Fenenbock is the frontperson for the group, but he's a long known political operative, notably working on behalf of the Kennedys and the Clintons in the past. He's not new to the political arena:
During Senator Edward M. Kennedy’s 1980 presidential campaign, Michael was tabbed as Deputy Western States Coordinator, before moving to Washington, DC where he joined Senator Kennedy’s national campaign staff and helped coordinate efforts at the 1980 Democratic national convention in New York City.
In 1981-82 Michael served as U.S. Senator John Melcher’s press secretary and political aide in Washington, DC.
Michael left Senator Melcher’s staff in 1982 in order to accept a position as Senator Edward Kennedy’s political director. In that capacity he headed the Senator’s political operation at the 1982 Democratic mini-Convention in Philadelphia.
Acclaimed as one of the nation's top campaign strategists, over the next two years Michael directed three highly visible governor’s races – Evelyn Gandy in Mississippi, Wayne Townsend in Indiana, and Anthony Solomon in Rhode Island.
Returning to Washington, DC, where he established his own media consulting firm, he turned his talents to producing political television advertising.
Over the next several years Michael produced advertising for campaigns ranging from Clinton-Gore for President to US Senate and Congressional campaigns.
In 1988 he met and married Daphne Weisbart. Together they relocated to California and formed a personal and professional partnership. Their firm, MAX Films, has earned a reputation for producing political advertising that wins tough legislative races.
Along the way, MAX Films has won an impressive number of awards. More importantly their clients have enjoyed a remarkable success rate.
Regarded as a maverick populist inside the Democratic party – sometimes referred to as “the Democrats’ neo-con media guru” – Michael broke publicly with party liberals in 2001.
Since that time, MAX Films has pursued an independent path. Their client list includes prominent Republican office holders as well as Democrats.
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Kenneth Wed, Jan 28, 2009 10:10:17am |
...it may be time to create a second clock. This one would illustrate the likelihood of an Israeli attack against Iran's nuclear sites. Using the same methodology as the Bulletin, the clock would start at ten minutes before midnight. Recent events--including Iran's expanded efforts at uranium enrichment, vows to "wipe Israel off the maps, and acquisition of the S-300 air defense system--would move the hands closer to midnight.
But the Israeli Air Force remains capable of conducting a strike on its own, and its best chance for success (with minimal losses) will occur before the S-300 arrives in Iran. That could indicate an attack during the first half of 2009, before the advanced surface-to-air missile (SAM) system becomes operational around Tehran's nuclear sites.
Readers will note that President Obama's remarks did not include the "tough" rhetoric of last year's presidential campaign, when he announced that a nuclear-capable Iran would be unacceptable.
You can probably guess how his interview played in Tehran. With America firmly committed to the diplomatic track--the same approach that has yielded nothing over the past three years--the mullahs have deduced that they have nothing to fear from an Obama Administration. Crank up those centrifuges at Natanz, and see if the North Koreans have any bomb designs that we can borrow. Iran's long dream of being a nuclear power is now within reach.
In Israel, the Obama comments had a chilling effect, although no officials have offered a public comment. The Israelis now find themselves facing Iran virtually alone, and with little time to act. Watch for the IAF to ramp up training in the coming weeks, and we wouldn't be surprised to learn of movements by special forces platforms and other support elements.
The clock for an Israeli strike against Iran is still ticking, and its now two minutes until midnight, with little hope of turning back the clock.
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winston06 Wed, Jan 28, 2009 10:10:38am |
Hopefully Olmert will be gone soon.... That'll help a lot
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Randall Gross Wed, Jan 28, 2009 10:11:04am |
What's interesting about him is his willingness to buck the trend in his own party to lead this effort.
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pre-Boomer Marine brat Wed, Jan 28, 2009 10:11:49am |
re: #157 goddessoftheclassroom
Depending on your relationship with her husband/boyfriend, you might like to send her this one, too!
HAH HAH HAH !
Her husband would LOVE that! (He's nowhere near the leather-jacket type, but he's got a great sense of humor. I've known him since they were in high school together.)
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winston06 Wed, Jan 28, 2009 10:11:55am |
re: #167 ploome hineni
And they rejected the very resolution the UN they so much love imposed on them. These Arab terrorists are clueless and blinded by their hatred for the Jewish people
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J.S. Wed, Jan 28, 2009 10:12:00am |
re: #90 avanti
How many times do we have to go over this? For the NTH TIME Abbas wrote a doctoral thesis and at that time ABBAS WAS A HOLOCAUST DENIER. Subsequently, Abbas recanted his doctoral thesis. Here ONCE AGAIN is Lipstadt's blog post on this issue.
What on earth is wrong with you? Are you incapable of learning? In denial or something?
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goddessoftheclassroom Wed, Jan 28, 2009 10:12:40am |
re: #169 pre-Boomer Marine brat
HAH HAH HAH !
Her husband would LOVE that! (He's nowhere near the leather-jacket type, but he's got a great sense of humor. I've known him since they were in high school together.)
That's so lovely. I'm glad for all of you!
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Kenneth Wed, Jan 28, 2009 10:12:41am |
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Kosh's Shadow Wed, Jan 28, 2009 10:12:49am |
re: #76 Kenneth
I am not in favor of a Palestinian state in any part of Judea, Samaria or Galilee and certainly not in Jerusalem. But I do have some questions about the argument that a Pali state would increase terrorism.
Given that Fatah and Hamas do nothing constructive in building a functional civil society in their respective parts of the proposed Palestinian state, what would be the difference if a Palestinian state was created?
Exactly how would the existence of a Palestinian state increase the level of terrorism the various Palestinian factions now engage in?
Since it is clear from the statements of numerous Palestinian leaders that a "2 State Solution" is merely a stepping stone to the destruction of Israel & a single Palestinian state, would the UN, EU and US grow disenchanted with a new Palestinian state that continues to engage in terrorism against Israel?
A state would have control of its borders, and its military, and could arm with any weapons it chooses, including anti-aircraft missiles, bigger rockets, etc.
Just look at how terrorism increased from Gaza.
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Opinionated Wed, Jan 28, 2009 10:12:59am |
re: #159 winston06
what they r good at is TERRORISM & Jew killing.
Ever see the commercial where a women hands an architect a faucet and asks him to design a home around it?
The Arabs will never, ever, let me repeat, NEVER, accept the Jewish State of Israel.
Now build a peace plan around that fact.
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Son of the Black Dog Wed, Jan 28, 2009 10:13:30am |
re: #101 Walter L. Newton
How old are you, really, just a ball park figure.
Old enough to have served in Vietnam in the late '60's.
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winston06 Wed, Jan 28, 2009 10:14:00am |
re: #173 Kenneth
Jerusalem was abandoned and banned by their phony prophet in 600s AD. They had no claims over it until 1960s.
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SteveC Wed, Jan 28, 2009 10:14:09am |
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pre-Boomer Marine brat Wed, Jan 28, 2009 10:15:11am |
re: #161 goddessoftheclassroom
Oh, she showed up; he was late because he was still getting himself together...
(MWAH!)
No, it was because you came on too strong.
MWAH!
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jwb7605 Wed, Jan 28, 2009 10:15:35am |
re: #153 pre-Boomer Marine brat
ROFLMAO!
MWAH!
I just emailed that link to my daughter!
GMTA! (my latest granddaughter is 2 months old -- yours?)
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Dustyvet Wed, Jan 28, 2009 10:16:21am |
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Son of the Black Dog Wed, Jan 28, 2009 10:17:00am |
re: #116 Erik The Red
Well said Black Dog. You said that far better than I did earlier. I just called him a prick for doing that.
Well, that works for me.
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Sabriel Wed, Jan 28, 2009 10:17:49am |
re: #11 MandyManners
Yes, though Anielewicz and his comrades were members of the left-wing Zionist Hashomer Hatzair, which firmly believed in a binational state--even in 1945. That possibility may have passed (long before that, in fact), but it is worth noting that he believed in fighting when necessary and negotiating and compromising when necessary.
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Son of the Black Dog Wed, Jan 28, 2009 10:18:19am |
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dentate Wed, Jan 28, 2009 10:18:43am |
re: #179 buzzsawmonkey
When the early Zionists spoke of a state, such a thing was nowhere on the horizon as part of "what is possible." Sixty years later it was a reality.
"The world"--the world that accepts Chinese boat people, Rwandan slaughter, the horror of the Mugabe regime, stonings of women in the Muslim countries, all without a murmur--who gives a fart in a windstorm for what "the world" will accept?
Anyone who starts a negotiation entirely from the point of view of what the other side may accept has lost the negotiation from the outset. Israel must demand the relocation of the Arabs in the territories to other Arab nations as an opening negotiating ploy merely in order to arrest the worst consequences of the Euphemistic Dismemberment Plan™.
Just return to them their Egyptian and Jordanian passports, which they all held in the past. There's a Christian Palestinian here at work whose family left so long ago that they consider themselves Turkish citizens, as their ancestor coming to the States was an Ottoman citizen. Since there has never been an autonomous state called Palestine, you are just asking them to resume their previous status, not sending them to a foreign country.
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pre-Boomer Marine brat Wed, Jan 28, 2009 10:19:55am |
re: #182 jwb7605
GMTA! (my latest granddaughter is 2 months old -- yours?)
12 ... and ... either 9 or 10
/so my daughter's a bit past that training technique
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Kenneth Wed, Jan 28, 2009 10:21:31am |
re: #174 Kosh's Shadow
A state would have control of its borders, and its military, and could arm with any weapons it chooses, including anti-aircraft missiles, bigger rockets, etc.
Just look at how terrorism increased from Gaza.
Iran would certainly provide all the weapons the Palestinian terror state would desire, delivered either through Syria or direct via cargo plane.
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goddessoftheclassroom Wed, Jan 28, 2009 10:22:07am |
re: #181 pre-Boomer Marine brat
No, it was because you came on too strong.
MWAH!
(shaking with giggles)
You're trying so hard, I'll have to let you win this round...MWAH!
(and that was a brilliant come-back!)
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Mardukhai Wed, Jan 28, 2009 10:22:47am |
What happened to the video? It's no longer on YouTube.
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pre-Boomer Marine brat Wed, Jan 28, 2009 10:28:21am |
re: #177 winston06
Jerusalem was abandoned and banned by their phony prophet in 600s AD. They had no claims over it until 1960s.
A bit of history, merely as an FYI:
Jerusalem is not mentioned in the Quran. One Sura mentions 'the farthest place'. This has been taken to mean Jerusalem, but no specific reference appears. In Mohammed's day, 'the farthest place' could only have meant either a mosque in Medina, or what could be called ... 'Allah's Courtyard in Paradise'.
When Muslims occupied Palestine, they established a capitol at Ramallah, 30 miles away. Jerusalem meant nothing to them.
The Umayyad Caliph Abd el-Malik built the Dome of the Rock on Jerusalem's Temple Mount in a political attempt to divert worship from Mecca to a location under his control. The attempt failed, but 20 years later, el-Malik's son built a mosque nearby and named it Al Aksa -- in Arabic, 'the farthest place'. That attempt also failed.
The Al Aksa Mosque was not considered a holy site by Muslims until Saladin needed to motivate his soldiers to attack the Crusaders in Jerusalem. He capitalized on the politically-motivated rationalization, myth, put forward 400 years earlier by the Umayyad Caliphs.
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pre-Boomer Marine brat Wed, Jan 28, 2009 10:29:37am |
re: #191 goddessoftheclassroom
(shaking with giggles)
You're trying so hard, I'll have to let you win this round...MWAH!
(and that was a brilliant come-back!)
I ACTALLY WON A ROUND?!?!?!?!
*faint*
*THUD*
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Achilles Tang Wed, Jan 28, 2009 10:30:53am |
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J.S. Wed, Jan 28, 2009 10:34:15am |
re: #186 Son of the Black Dog
It was a joke about mental age vs chronological age...(sometimes the two aren't equal).
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Drider Wed, Jan 28, 2009 10:34:33am |
I like this fellow but he needs to recompute the American taxpayer angle, we are being financially wiped out by our political leaders on a scale that we will not recover for decades, if that.
California finally broke off from the rest of the continent and fell into the sea with the state now not sending the taxpayers their money due to them in refunds, and the new leadership is going full bore in mimicking California's tax and spend, spend, spend mindset to the tee.
Right now Government is the problem, not the solution and the masses simply don't seem to care.
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Age Of Freedom Wed, Jan 28, 2009 10:35:00am |
I agree 10,000% with everything said and told in the video - I bookmarked it and gave it an upding.
On a different note, while I don't mind the stab at Apple switch over theme for their videos, I can't stand that nobody in the 'Hoffman Productions' couldn't have Michael Fenenbock discuss the issues with his hands not steady up in mid air throughout the entire video.
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J.S. Wed, Jan 28, 2009 10:38:38am |
re: #174 Kosh's Shadow
not to mention an airport (and possibly air force.)
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apachegunner Wed, Jan 28, 2009 10:43:32am |
[Link: www.dccc.org...] link to the DNC is DC. Sent them a message and read their feedback comments. Amazing how many conservatives have posted on their site.
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Charles Johnson Wed, Jan 28, 2009 10:44:42am |
NOTE!
I'm going to need to restart the MySQL server, so we'll be offline for a few minutes. Don't panic. We'll be right back.
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Kenneth Wed, Jan 28, 2009 10:55:42am |
Jackson Pollack was a brilliant painter. If you are ever in New York, go to the MOMA and stand in front of one of his large action painting and let it drip all over you, visually speaking. If you put aside the knee-jerk reaction of saying your 3 year old could do that, and just LOOK at it, you are in for a real treat. Honestly.
As for the outrageous prices in the modern art market, that's an entirely different subject.
On an interesting note, there is a debate in art circles over whether Jackson Pollack and the other American abstract expressionist of the 1950's were part of a cultural war against the USSR. The abstract painters represented the ultimate intellectual individualism, in contrast to Soviet Social Realism.
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winston06 Wed, Jan 28, 2009 2:05:27pm |
re: #193 pre-Boomer Marine brat
hehe... I am familiar with that. We were forced to learn Arab history in high school and learn arabic language (every one hated it)
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TheOtherCanadian Wed, Jan 28, 2009 6:47:51pm |
What we need is someone THIS pursuasive.......
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Why Did More Than 1,000 People Die After Police Subdued Them With Force That Isn’t Meant to Kill? An investigation led by The Associated Press has found that, over a decade, more than 1,000 people died after police subdued them through physical holds, stun guns, body blows and other force not intended to be lethal. More: Why ... CheechakoKGxvi
Abortions Outside Medical System Increased Sharply After Roe Fell, Study Finds The number of women using abortion pills to end their pregnancies on their own without the direct involvement of a U.S.-based medical provider rose sharply in the months after the Supreme Court eliminated a constitutional right to abortion, according ... Cheechako
The Pandemic Cost 7 Million Lives, but Talks to Prevent a Repeat Stall In late 2021, as the world reeled from the arrival of the highly contagious omicron variant of the coronavirus, representatives of almost 200 countries met - some online, some in-person in Geneva - hoping to forestall a future worldwide ... Cheechako
Texas County at Center of Border Fight Is Overwhelmed by Migrant Deaths EAGLE PASS, Tex. - The undertaker lighted a cigarette and held it between his latex-gloved fingers as he stood over the bloated body bag lying in the bed of his battered pickup truck. The woman had been fished out ... Cheechako
