WSJ: Obama’s Gitmo Gamble

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Peter Brown says that by closing Guantanamo Bay, Barack Obama is gambling none of the released detainees will come back to haunt him in 2012.

By ordering the closing of the Guantanamo Bay prison and taking the fate its detainees out of his own hands, President Barack Obama is gambling that none of them will come back to haunt him in the 2012 election.

There are several potential scenarios that could create political problems for Mr. Obama, but one stands out: a Guantanamo detainee finds his way to freedom and takes part in a terrorist attack, especially one that kills Americans. Think of the impact of Willie Horton—multiplied.

It’s not hard to imagine the television commercial from Mr. Obama’s 2012 opponent arguing that the president’s naiveté about how the world works cost American lives.

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343 comments
1 phoenixgirl  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 9:54:04am

he's not naive, he's dangerous

2 Lively  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 9:54:39am

You got to know when to hold'em. Know when to fold'em. Know when to walk away and know when to run.

3 Racer X  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 9:55:41am

Honestly - I hope this never becomes an issue in 2012.

But if it does Obama is toast.

4 Alaska Kim  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 9:55:53am

I just brought this very thing up in another thread yesterday. He is nuts.

5 Lively  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 9:56:02am

Why is everything about re-election? Can't someone do good without being rewarded for another 4 yrs.

6 Shug  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 9:56:10am

I believe that Obama cares more about his re-election and his legacy more than he cares about his country.

The complete opposite of President Bush

7 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 9:56:31am

When one has a high card of a 3 against everyone else having at least 3 of a kind is not the time to start doubling down hoping to bluff your opponents.

8 Kragarghazi  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 9:56:43am

He's betting the MSM will cover his ass when the guys he releases end up killing Americans again.

Its a safe bet.

9 unreconstructed rebel  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 9:57:05am
President Barack Obama is gambling that none of them will come back to haunt him in the 2012 election.

The problem is he is gambling with other peoples lives.

10 Lincolntf  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 9:57:30am

It's inevitable that one of the Gitmo detainees will come back to haunt all of us. Obama's unconditional surrender to Al Qaeda on this issue will remain an abject lesson for others for years to come. Tragically, Americans will have to be murdered for the lesson to begin.

11 Jetpilot1101  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 9:57:34am
It’s not hard to imagine the television commercial from Mr. Obama’s 2012 opponent arguing that the president’s naiveté about how the world works cost American lives.

His naivete WILL cost American lives. But before that, it will cost them their jobs.

12 Natasha  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 9:57:48am

I think he knows damn well what he is doing. And I doubt he cares. So, is it OK to question his allegiance now?

13 Lively  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 9:57:54am

re: #8 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

He's betting the MSM will cover his ass when the guys he releases end up killing Americans again.

Its a safe bet.

Just like MSM will never put a (D) in a corruption news article, they will never point out that any terrorist is a Gitmo Alumni.

14 Shug  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 9:57:56am

Greg Craig will get you a plan
Just give him a few months

15 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 9:58:08am

re: #5 Lively

Why is everything about re-election? Can't someone do good without being rewarded for another 4 yrs.

Simply because that is all the man knows anything about, running a campaign. Actual experience is nowhere to be found.

16 lawhawk  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 9:58:23am

None will come back to haunt him by 2012? What then about the al Qaeda thug released by President Bush under pressure from Obama and his fellow Democrats who is now heading up al Qaeda's Yemen branch (and from where al Qaeda has been quite active for years on end, and who carried out direct attacks on US military forces in the past: USS Cole anyone). Yemen has a revolving door justice system that lets al Qaeda thugs go after putting on a facade of dealing with the terrorist problems. Saudis claim that none of their terrorists who went through rehabilitation end up back in the jihad, and yet the Yemeni al Qaeda leader shows that to be a lie.

How many more examples does there have to be? One is frankly too much, not when it takes such a small group to plot and carry out mass casualty attacks around the world.

17 gclaghorn  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 9:58:38am

re: #6 Shug

I believe that Obama cares more about his re-election and his legacy more than he cares about his country.

The complete opposite of President Bush

Change we can believe in!

18 jemima  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 9:58:42am

So there is an upside to this.

19 S'latch  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 9:59:07am

Liberals judge fellow Liberals not by the consequences of their actions, but by the goodness of their intentions.

20 DeafDog  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 9:59:11am

This WSJ piece pisses me off. This isn't a political gamble, it's a gamble on national security.

Joe Biden is a political gamble.

Closing Gitmo is gambling with American lives.

Even if nothing happens till after 2012, Obama's appeasement strategy will end in disaster. Obama is gambling lives here, not a freak'n election.

21 vagabond trader  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 9:59:24am

Bleh. The left will simply chant the useful idiot mantra.If we had not falsely imprisoned them they would not hate us, or by falsely imprisoning them we created gazillions more terrorists.

22 DistantThunder  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 9:59:26am

It's like the murder/rapist that Dukakis allowed weekend furloughs who killed again. People will just have to be reminded that part of 911 was directed at NY due to the Blind Shiek locked up and to interrupt his trial - Ramsay Youseff was arrested when his plot to fly an airliner into CIA headquarters was discovered - it was assoicated with the Blind Shiek trial.

Karl Rove believed that obama will not be able to close Gitmo in 1 year.

What a joke. But I hope he keeps trying.

Rush just announced that Rush hijacked Obama's honeymoon. Notice how down Obama looked at his news conference?

23 Haole  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 9:59:31am

Gitmo made him the terrorist he is today.

Bush's fault.

/Olberdouche

24 Tazzerman  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 9:59:49am

Obamas naiveté on the world stage is already working on setting us back at least 10 years, security-wise. Welcome back to the future to a Clinton administration who's head was stuck so far into the sand even after the U.S.S. Cole attack that he actually emboldened Bin Laden, by his OWN words, to attack us on 9/11..

Obama is playing to his looning left fringe and in doing so, he AND Hillary are setting the stage for more American deaths, a complete loss of ALL the gains that have in fact been made in places LIKE Iran, Syria, Jordan and Saudi Arabia. (Yes I said GAINS)

We enter a new age that's the same as the old. Heaven help us.

25 gclaghorn  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 9:59:56am

re: #5 Lively

Why is everything about re-election? Can't someone do good without being rewarded for another 4 yrs.

Because the man's only career experience with politics is running a campaign. It's all he's done his entire adult life.

26 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 9:59:57am

He wants the Islamic world to see him as a Muslim and the Christian world to see him as a Christian.

So, of course, he can release the detainees monsters. They won't do anything to the US because they have a Muslim leader.

He is the new man for all seasons. The One.

/gah

27 Jimash  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 10:00:04am

Freed by the U.S., Saudi Becomes a Qaeda Chief
--------Word to the wise------

By ROBERT F. WORTH
Published: January 22, 2009
BEIRUT, Lebanon — The emergence of a former Guantánamo Bay detainee as the deputy leader of Al Qaeda’s Yemeni branch has underscored the potential complications in carrying out the executive order President Obama signed Thursday that the detention center be shut down within a year.

The militant, Said Ali al-Shihri, is suspected of involvement in a deadly bombing of the United States Embassy in Yemen’s capital, Sana, in September. He was released to Saudi Arabia in 2007 and passed through a Saudi rehabilitation program for former jihadists before resurfacing with Al Qaeda in Yemen

28 Ron Shaw  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 10:00:33am

Forget about 2012 for now. This will hurt him in 2009 and kill innocent Americans for decades to come!

29 loppyd  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 10:00:42am

re: #6 Shug

I believe that Obama cares more about his re-election and his legacy more than he cares about his country.

The complete opposite of President Bush

He's following the Clinton model.

30 Emperor Norton  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 10:00:48am

Americans will soon realize they've elected the equivalent of a sophomore from Brown as President.

31 Kragarghazi  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 10:00:56am

re: #15 FurryOldGuyJeans

Simply because that is all the man knows anything about, running a campaign. Actual experience is nowhere to be found.

Yup. Definately in a "Well, we made it, now what?" Presidency right now.

He's making it up as he goes along, trying to placate his base as he plays Candyland with international politics during a time of war.

32 CyanSnowHawk  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 10:01:17am

re: #18 jemima

The likelihood of American casualties IS NOT AN UPSIDE!

33 unreconstructed rebel  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 10:01:26am

re: #30 Emperor Norton

Americans will soon realize they've elected the equivalent of a sophomore from Brown as President.

What a horrible thing to say about Brown.

34 Tazzerman  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 10:01:39am

re: #27 Jimash

Awecome 'rehab' program those Saudi's have eh?

35 DistantThunder  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 10:01:45am

By the way...who is exactly responsible for allowing thee terrorists to leave Gitmo - names? Those people should be fired.

36 vagabond trader  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 10:02:01am

In The Obama world view, it's acceptable risk.

37 ArmyWife  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 10:02:02am

OT - No switch to digital just yet.

38 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 10:02:06am

re: #3 Racer X

Honestly - I hope this never becomes an issue in 2012.

But if it does Obama is toast.

The problem is that the so-far released have mostly been low-level cannon fodder types, and yet 60+ have returned to the path of Jihad. Now all we can release are the movers and shakers and high level operatives that would be a real threat.

39 gclaghorn  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 10:02:23am

re: #26 ggt

He wants the Islamic world to see him as a Muslim and the Christian world to see him as a Christian.

You can fool some of the people all of the time, and all of the people some of the time, but you can not fool all of the people all of the time.

--Abraham Lincoln

40 jcm  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 10:02:34am

MemriTV via LiveLeak.

For guests of Club Gitmo express their gratitude for being released.

Liveleak Video
41 faraway  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 10:02:57am

Obama 2012 will not happen.

2008 one-offs:
- first black president
- multi-million dollar ad advantage
- 70 year old opponent
- opponent that would not attack him
- no track record of screwups

You think these things added up to 4%?

42 Erik The Red  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 10:02:59am

This is going to be worse than I could have ever expected. God help us.

43 jemima  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 10:03:06am

There will be casualties in this war. Accept it and move on. Our fellow Americans chose this. They made this possible. (And the fix was in. Obviously).

44 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 10:03:07am
It’s not hard to imagine the television commercial from Mr. Obama’s 2012 opponent arguing that the president’s naiveté about how the world works cost American lives.

No Republican would have the guts to do this. They'd hate to be accused of "politicizing a terrorist attack."

45 Shug  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 10:03:16am

re: #39 gclaghorn

You can fool some of the people all of the time, and all of the people some of the time, but you can not fool all of the people all of the time.

--Abraham Lincoln

Abe never met an MSNBC audience

46 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 10:03:58am

re: #33 unreconstructed rebel

What a horrible thing to say about Brown.

Racist!
/

47 DistantThunder  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 10:04:01am

A nine year old shot in the chest in Philly where hand guns are illegal. MSM said he was in the wrong place at the wrong time and caught between two rival gangs.

How dare he be on the streets - (it is a snow day here back east.)

48 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 10:04:05am

re: #45 Shug

Abe never met an MSNBC audience

Or an Oprah, The View, or Tyra one either.

49 newsjunkie_ky  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 10:04:12am

The 0 loves being lauded by hollywood as the biggest celebrity.

50 unreconstructed rebel  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 10:04:24am

re: #45 Shug

Poor Abe could not imagine the Couch Potato.

51 DistantThunder  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 10:04:32am

re: #41 faraway

Obama 2012 will not happen.

2008 one-offs:
- first black president
- multi-million dollar ad advantage
- 70 year old opponent
- opponent that would not attack him
- no track record of screwups

You think these things added up to 4%?

hardly

52 Shug  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 10:04:56am

re: #50 unreconstructed rebel

Poor Abe could not imagine the Couch Potato.


I don't know why that made me laugh so much

but it did

53 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 10:05:25am

re: #47 DistantThunder

A nine year old shot in the chest in Philly where hand guns are illegal. MSM said he was in the wrong place at the wrong time and caught between two rival gangs.

How dare he be on the streets - (it is a snow day here back east.)

I hate that phrase - "wrong place at the wrong time." That implies that there are certain times & places where it's acceptable to have a gang shootout.

54 Peacekeeper  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 10:05:32am
It’s not hard to imagine the television commercial from Mr. Obama’s 2012 opponent arguing that the president’s naiveté about how the world works cost American lives.

It's hard not to imagine we won't have lost Americans by 2012 thanks to Obambi

55 Noam Sayin'  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 10:05:38am

Obama knows some of these dirtbags have rejoined the jihad, right? It's been something like 10% of released detainees, so far. And certainly if he didn't know this, someone from the CIA, NSA, FBI, MI5/6, Interpol, etc. would have informed the administration of this fact by now.

And the ones we're currently holding are the worst animals of the bunch.

And France is going to take some of them.

Let that sink into your melon a bit.

...

Booze and pills, in case you're wondering.

56 [deleted]  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 10:05:43am
57 Picayune  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 10:05:46am

Maybe the aliens will intervene in 2012!

58 MandyManners  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 10:06:07am

re: #18 jemima

So there is an upside to this.

An upside that could lead to thousands of dead Americans? More dead servicemembers in Iraq and Afghanistan?

No, thank you.

59 loppyd  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 10:06:09am

re: #33 unreconstructed rebel

What a horrible thing to say about Brown.

My dad is a Brown alumn.

He hasn't given them a dime in close to 20 years in protest over what the place has become.

60 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 10:06:16am

re: #41 faraway

Clinton was supposed to have lost in 1996, let alone not getting elected in the first place in 1992. I would not count out the imbecility of the average American voter reigning supreme yet again.

61 Shug  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 10:06:23am

re: #57 Picayune

Maybe the aliens will intervene in 2012!

Undocumented Space Workers is the new terminology

62 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 10:06:28am

OT - Commentary: Focus on first 100 days is absurd

Well of course it is... when the president is a Democrat. Everyone knows that... for a matter of fact... I bet this is the first time that any president has had his first 100 days set up as a measurement of his possible success as a leader.

[Link: www.cnn.com...]

63 Cognito  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 10:06:32am

re: #20 DeafDog

This WSJ piece pisses me off. This isn't a political gamble, it's a gamble on national security.

Joe Biden is a political gamble.

Closing Gitmo is gambling with American lives.

Even if nothing happens till after 2012, Obama's appeasement strategy will end in disaster. Obama is gambling lives here, not a freak'n election.

Yes, but this particulasr site is dedicated to covering political moves around DC, so the focus is appropriate.

64 Cognito  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 10:07:06am

re: #47 DistantThunder

A nine year old shot in the chest in Philly where hand guns are illegal. MSM said he was in the wrong place at the wrong time and caught between two rival gangs.

How dare he be on the streets - (it is a snow day here back east.)

I'd like to read that. Do you have a link?

65 red satellite  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 10:07:12am

We've already seen 2 released from GITMO in a new video. Can't we get Murtha's district to repatriate them?

66 jcm  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 10:07:13am

re: #57 Picayune

Maybe the aliens will intervene in 2012!

The world ends Dec. 21st 2012.'
Why worry?

////

67 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 10:07:28am

re: #61 Shug

Undocumented Space Workers is the new terminology

I hate seeing signs in English & Klingon at the DMV.

68 VioletTiger  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 10:07:34am

re: #9 unreconstructed rebel

The problem is he is gambling with other peoples lives.

Here is the biggest difference between BHO and President Bush. Bush had political courage and was willing to spend his political capital to keep the country safe.
BHO has no political courage and is willing to risk American lives rather than make a decision unpopular with his liberal friends both here and abroad.

69 itellu3times  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 10:07:44am

Oh, but it's worth a few American lives, if a few al-qaeda chickens come home to roost, unavoidable, really, it's just the cost of the Bushchimphitler -cheneyhalliburton -whitecolonialhegemonist -pigapemonkey regime anyway, it would be much much worse to put panties on the head of a head-chopping hide-behind-the-women terrorist, because that would violate who we reallly are.

/

... except maybe in college, when we were drunk that night

70 eon  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 10:07:47am

re: #9 unreconstructed rebel

The problem is he is gambling with other peoples lives.

True. but people who see the world from a collectivist POV, as The One apparently does, simply do not consider that relevant. Remember, the battle cry of the left from day one has always been, "Sacrifices must be made in the name of the Cause."

Don't be too surprised in such an event if The One makes a speech calling the victims "martyrs for peace". On the principle of, "people matter only in the abstract, not as individuals".

/Cold, I know- but that's the Left's worldview in a nutshell.

cheers

eon

71 DistantThunder  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 10:07:49am

Obama by nature is an appeaser and a social liar meaning he is willing to say whatever necessary to whomever he is with at the moment. However with all this heightened scrutiny he find himself caught in the cross hairs.

Have you all see the full page ad in the NYT's and Washington Post and Roll Call signed by 200 economists calling Obama a liar?

72 faraway  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 10:07:53am

re: #60 FurryOldGuyJeans

I'm just trying to be hopeful. However crazy that may be.

73 gclaghorn  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 10:07:55am

re: #62 Walter L. Newton

OT - Commentary: Focus on first 100 days is absurd

Well of course it is... when the president is a Democrat. Everyone knows that... for a matter of fact... I bet this is the first time that any president has had his first 100 days set up as a measurement of his possible success as a leader.

[Link: www.cnn.com...]

I think CNN should take this page down before they make claims like, "the focus on the first 100 days is absurd."

74 Picayune  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 10:08:00am

re: #61 Shug

Undocumented Space Workers is the new terminology

Nah, O and the Dems will cover them in their Total Amnesty bill.

75 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 10:08:02am

re: #66 jcm

The world ends Dec. 21st 2012.'
Why worry?

////

I thought it was the 23rd.

76 loppyd  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 10:08:15am

re: #65 red satellite

We've already seen 2 released from GITMO in a new video. Can't we get Murtha's district to repatriate them?

We'll see a lot more. I'd be stockpiling those for 2010 campaign ads if I were running the RNC.

77 MandyManners  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 10:08:17am

re: #64 Cognito

I'd like to read that. Do you have a link?

Google.

78 Tazzerman  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 10:08:19am

re: #56 jemima

There is no 'upside' to the loss of American lives. Not being a prick or argumentative and I'm sure you are, we ARE on the same side after all.

I just do NOT want to see another innocent life lost because our government was playing footsie with these barbarians. :) -tm

79 Daisy  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 10:08:24am

re: #1 phoenixgirl

he's not naive, he's dangerous

Yes. 2012? I hope we have a 2012 w/this appeasing moron as POTUS.

80 Silhouette  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 10:08:28am

re: #60 FurryOldGuyJeans

Clinton was supposed to have lost in 1996, let alone not getting elected in the first place in 1992. I would not count out the imbecility of the average American voter reigning supreme yet again.

The Perot drainoff had everything to do with both of those.

81 jcm  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 10:08:37am

re: #75 FurryOldGuyJeans

I thought it was the 23rd.

That's the after the end of the world party....

82 unreconstructed rebel  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 10:08:44am

re: #59 loppyd

My dad is a Brown alumn.

He hasn't given them a dime in close to 20 years in protest over what the place has become.

I know what he's going thru. Seems all our alma maters arn't what they usta be.

83 gclaghorn  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 10:09:01am

re: #81 jcm

That's the after the end of the world party....

Ain't no kind of party like an after-Armageddon party.

84 Erik The Red  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 10:09:10am

Lizards. I am sitting here bitching and moaning about 44 and I will until he get ejected from office. Still I am returning to the US in June.
FUCK HIM. The USA is still the strongest and best country in the world.

85 MandyManners  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 10:09:16am

re: #70 eon

True. but people who see the world from a collectivist POV, as The One apparently does, simply do not consider that relevant. Remember, the battle cry of the left from day one has always been, "Sacrifices must be made in the name of the Cause."

Don't be too surprised in such an event if The One makes a speech calling the victims "martyrs for peace". On the principle of, "people matter only in the abstract, not as individuals".

/Cold, I know- but that's the Left's worldview in a nutshell.

cheers

eon

Could that be what Biden predicted?

86 avanti  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 10:09:17am

McCain would have faced the same risk in his plan to shut down Gitmo. Neither of them intended to release all the inmates, just move them and close the symbol.

87 DistantThunder  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 10:09:27am

re: #64 Cognito

I'd like to read that. Do you have a link?

Just announced on the Philly radio station that carries Rush WPHT - I think it was CBS that provides the news.

88 CyanSnowHawk  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 10:09:29am

re: #37 ArmyWife

OT - No switch to digital just yet.

Broadcasters are going to lose millions over this delay. They now have to continue analog broadcasts for another 4 months. An unexpected expense in an uncertain economy because the FCC has brought a new definition to the word 'fumble.'

89 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 10:09:38am

re: #77 MandyManners

Google.

Ouch, turn about is very much enjoyable fair play. ;)

90 faraway  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 10:09:44am

re: #71 DistantThunder

Bam

91 ArmyWife  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 10:10:10am

re: #88 CyanSnowHawk

Yep. More to come, I'm afraid.

92 Kragarghazi  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 10:10:15am

re: #67 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

I hate seeing signs in English & Klingon at the DMV.

Plus they leave the break room such a mess after Kwagthog Ack Magtock.

93 Picayune  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 10:10:18am

re: #67 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

I hate seeing signs in English & Klingon at the DMV.

Worse - "for Klingon, press 5."

94 Cognito  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 10:10:25am

re: #77 MandyManners

Google.

I asked for the specific story he had, which insinuates the boy shouldn't have been out. Google didn't turn it up, so I asked.

Thanks for helping out, though.

95 jemima  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 10:10:58am

re: #78 Tazzerman

You win.

Have a nice day.

96 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 10:11:24am

re: #86 avanti

McCain would have faced the same risk in his plan to shut down Gitmo. Neither of them intended to release all the inmates, just move them and close the symbol.

How do you know what Obama intended to do? You don't know the man's heart, as you have repeatedly commented.

97 Moonbat Serenade  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 10:11:32am

His plan is better than what has worked well for 8 years, just because it is his (and he has to live up to his promise to the far left). This guy is a loose cannon of the most dangerous magnitude.

There are none so blind as those who will not see.

98 jwb7605  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 10:11:39am

re: #1 phoenixgirl

he's not naive, he's dangerous

premise (a) leads directly into (b).
I think he believes he's taking a "calculated risk".

99 unreconstructed rebel  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 10:11:40am

Duty & my home mortage demand I return to work. Take care.

100 MandyManners  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 10:11:51am

re: #94 Cognito

DT is a woman.

101 newsjunkie_ky  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 10:11:54am

Wonder what must be going through George W. Bush's mind right now.

102 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 10:12:01am

re: #66 jcm

The world ends Dec. 21st 2012.' Why worry?
////

My worry is they got the date wrong and I'm going to be disappointed.

103 faraway  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 10:12:27am

OT: when will we have footbaths in the White House?

104 Cognito  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 10:12:31am

re: #100 MandyManners

DT is a woman.

She, then.

105 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 10:12:36am

re: #98 jwb7605

premise (a) leads directly into (b).
I think he believes he's taking a "calculated risk".

And our lives are his counting stones.

106 Kragarghazi  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 10:13:21am

Klingon Speakers Now Outnumber Navajo Speakers

NEW YORK—According to a report released Monday by the Modern Language Association, speakers of the Star Trek-based Klingon language outnumber individuals fluent in Navajo by a margin of more than seven-to-one.

"Navajo, a 3,000-year-old Native American tonal language belonging to the Athabaskan/Na-Dené group of tongues, is clearly dying and will likely be extinct by 2010," MLA president Frederick Toback said. "Fortunately, though, the sad, steady decline of this once-proud Native American tongue has been more than offset by a rising interest in Klingon culture."

Klingon speakers said they are pleased with the report. "Every day, more and more people are discovering the excitement and challenge of Klingon, or, as it's called by native speakers, tlhIngan-Hol," said Doug "HoD trI'Qal" Petersen, an official grammarian at the Klingon Language Institute. "After just a few weeks of studying Klingon, you, too will be saying 'qo' mey poSmoH Hol!'"

107 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 10:13:38am

re: #101 newsjunkie_ky

Wonder what must be going through George W. Bush's mind right now.

"Tell the voters to go to hell. I'm going to Texas."
/Davy Crockett

108 Daisy  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 10:13:54am

re: #40 jcm

MemriTV via LiveLeak.

For guests of Club Gitmo express their gratitude for being released.

Good God but I'd love to see Obama forced to watch this every time he puts a waffle in his damned mouth.

109 jcm  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 10:14:04am

re: #47 DistantThunder

A nine year old shot in the chest in Philly where hand guns are illegal. MSM said he was in the wrong place at the wrong time and caught between two rival gangs.

How dare he be on the streets - (it is a snow day here back east.)

PA Gun laws.

Philly is passing restriction but no ban, owner ship and CC is still legal.

110 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 10:14:15am

re: #103 faraway

OT: when will we have footbaths in the White House?

Congress is already showing they want to lick the soles of the man's shoes, so why bother?

111 Shug  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 10:14:31am

Close Gitmo.

give all the detainees to the Chinese.

112 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 10:14:34am

re: #106 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Klingon Speakers Now Outnumber Navajo Speakers

One of my favorite Onion articles!

113 Natasha  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 10:14:37am

I won't be surprised if the scum released from Gitmo will be offered teaching positions in universities here, or maybe even foreign policy advisory positions.

114 eon  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 10:15:01am

re: #85 MandyManners

Could that be what Biden predicted?

Unfortunately, yes. What I got from Biden's statement is that when it drops in the pot, Obama will do what he thinks is right, and the consequences to others are simply not part of the equation. And if we think he's doing the wrong thing, that just proves that he's smart, we're stupid, and that we have to accept his Godlike wisdom on faith alone.

When Biden said that, I realized that there were people who genuinely believe that The One is in fact some sort of divine being, with powers and wisdom far greater than any mortal man. Which is both improbable, and an invitation to disaster.

cheers

eon

115 CyanSnowHawk  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 10:15:31am

re: #43 jemima

Hoping for another terrorist attack with American casualties so that there may be some political fallout is not something I care to think of as benefit. It's something I expect to see on DKos.

116 avanti  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 10:15:41am

re: #96 FurryOldGuyJeans

How do you know what Obama intended to do? You don't know the man's heart, as you have repeatedly commented.

Yea, you are right, either one could have planned to send them to Disneyland, but I suspect they'd both do what they said they do.

117 faraway  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 10:16:06am

re: #113 Natasha

I won't be surprised if the scum released from Gitmo will be offered teaching positions in universities here, or maybe even foreign policy advisory positions.

KSM as the Gates replacement

118 newsjunkie_ky  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 10:16:36am

re: #107 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

"Tell the voters to go to hell. I'm going to Texas."
/Davy Crockett


Good one.
Don't think it will take long for history to acknowledge the good that W. did for this Country. Maybe in under 100 days.

119 Natasha  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 10:16:38am

re: #111 Shug

Close Gitmo.

give all the detainees to the Chinese.

Close Gitmo. Re-open it a few weeks later as a hog farm. Inmates are no longer inmates, but employees. After all the tax money spent on fattening them up, it is only fair they do some work to pay it back.

120 itellu3times  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 10:17:05am

re: #103 faraway

OT: when will we have footbaths in the White House?

After they mount speakers on the Washington Monument so they can call everyone to prayer five times a day.

121 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 10:17:10am

re: #116 avanti

Yea, you are right, either one could have planned to send them to Disneyland, but I suspect they'd both do what they said they do.

Oh, so on this you accept what the man says, yet discount everything else about his agenda he has laid out for months in his own words as unknowable?

Quit moving the goal posts.

122 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 10:17:37am

re: #106 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Klingon Speakers Now Outnumber Navajo Speakers

MLA president Frederick Toback said. "Fortunately, though, the sad, steady decline of this once-proud Native American tongue has been more than offset by a rising interest in Klingon culture."

"Fortunately." Is this guy a scholar or a 12 year old. The stats may be a little interesting, but I can't believe that they would even include a pseudo-language in any of their studies. All I can say is...

Klaatu barada nikto.

123 eon  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 10:17:52am

re: #106 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Klingon Speakers Now Outnumber Navajo Speakers

Of course, Klingon is absolutely useless as a secure communication system. I have Marc Okrand's Klingon Dictionary, and I'm sure the adverse party could pick one up if they needed it.

Have to run. Later, Lizards.

cheers

eon

124 Kenneth  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 10:17:56am

Obama: Yeah, Iraq war caused the hate…

Lots of people writing about Obama’s interview with al-Arabiya. Some are angry that he gave his first presidential interview to a news agency outside of the US. I don’t care much about that - the man’s entitled to speak to whomever he wants - but some of Obama’s answers seem to me just a bit disoriented or perhaps I should say purposely disorienting.

Obama does not come out and say it, he merely agrees with the dishonest framing by his interviewer - video and partial transcript here:

AL ARABIYA: And in the last – since 9/11 and because of Iraq, that alienation is wider between the Americans and — and in generations past, the United States was held high. It was the only Western power with no colonial legacy.

PRESIDENT OBAMA: Right.

Not right, sir. Not right. If I may be permitted to refresh your memory, there is a rather large body of evidence suggesting that this is no recent “alienation”.

Of course, the interviewer fails to mention the huge colonial legacy of the Muslim Empire which generated a great deal of animosity among the people the Arabs, Persians & Turks invaded and conquered.

125 itellu3times  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 10:18:16am

So just wot's with the Google logo today, did Jackson Pollock die?

126 Cognito  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 10:18:42am

re: #125 itellu3times

birthday, I think

127 Creeping Eruption  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 10:19:09am

re: #34 Tazzerman

Awecome 'rehab' program those Saudi's have eh?

How else are they supposed to brush up on their Sharia after spending time in an infidel prison?

128 avanti  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 10:19:10am

re: #111 Shug

Close Gitmo.

give all the detainees to the Chinese.

There is a group that were training to be Chinese insurgents that we want to release, but can't send them to China. I think some were shipped to Albania by GW.

129 maddogg  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 10:19:11am
Peter Brown says that by closing Guantanamo Bay, Barack Obama is gambling none of the released detainees will come back to haunt him in 2012.


You mean like in an airliner full of terrified people?

130 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 10:19:14am

The first thing that the guys who get released from Gitmo are going to do is go on Weight Watchers. They have never eaten so much and so well as they have over the past few years.

131 jill e  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 10:19:30am

OT via Instapundit:

The British called—they want their guns back.

132 jcm  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 10:19:49am

re: #125 itellu3times

So just wot's with the Google logo today, did Jackson Pollock die?

Close, birthday.

133 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 10:19:50am

re: #130 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

The first thing that the guys who get released from Gitmo are going to do is go on Weight Watchers. They have never eaten so much and so well as they have over the past few years.

Advice from an expert:)

134 quickjustice  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 10:20:18am

He has a year to reconsider. Mark my words, if anything goes wrong between now and then, he'll revoke the order, citing "changed circumstances".

As Mark Simone pointed out on WABC radio here in NYC last Saturday, GITMO is the most luxurious maximum security facility in the federal system. We've invested big bucks in it. If there's a problem with the way inmates are treated, President Obama now can order their treatment changed. So why close the facility at all, as opposed to changing "objectionable" policies to avoid wasting all that taxpayer money?

135 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 10:20:20am

re: #125 itellu3times

So just wot's with the Google logo today, did Jackson Pollock die?

Yep! 1956.

136 Daisy  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 10:20:43am

re: #113 Natasha

Did you see what jcm posted on #40? Very worthwhile.

137 CyanSnowHawk  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 10:20:45am

re: #56 jemima

I understand all to well what you are saying. You are allowing your hatred for our President to make you think that American casualties are beneficial. When the liberals did it over the past 8 years we called it BDS.

138 itellu3times  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 10:21:11am

re: #135 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Yep! 1956.

I didn't even know he was sick.

Thanks, Google.

/who infamously can't bother to celebrate US patriotic holidays

139 Dustyvet  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 10:21:21am

Barack Obama is gambling none of the released detainees will come back to haunt him in 2012.


Youtube Video
140 winston06  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 10:22:14am

Jimmy Carter is back in Obama's character and figure

141 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 10:22:21am

re: #18 jemima

So there is an upside to this.

Would you volunteer to be one of those upside casualties?

142 itellu3times  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 10:22:23am

Why doesn't Obama just free all the prisoners in Gitmo, supply them Kazzam rockets, and have them launch them into Cuba?

143 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 10:22:25am

re: #56 jemima

Bad form. You do understand the word "treason", right?

144 [deleted]  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 10:22:44am
145 winston06  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 10:22:52am

re: #1 phoenixgirl

His naivety is dangerous

146 jcm  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 10:22:57am

re: #143 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Bad form. You do understand the word "treason", right?

POOF!

147 irongrampa  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 10:23:11am

I suspect McCain WOULD have closed Gitmo. I also suspect he'd have had a coherent strategy of HOW, not being one to confuse strategy with tactics, in matters like this.

148 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 10:23:16am

re: #140 winston06

Winston06! Hey! Click my avatar.

To illustrate your point.

149 Shug  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 10:23:19am

re: #128 avanti

There is a group that were training to be Chinese insurgents that we want to release, but can't send them to China. I think some were shipped to Albania by GW.


make no mistake, I don't want them to be used in any capacity by the Chinese.
I'd like the Chinese to take over as their prison guards.

because China is known for their superior human rights , compared to the filthy Americans ( according to the moonbat freaks )

better yet. why fly them to beijing when we could bus them to havana. Another hot bed of human rights according to learned men like Sean Penn and Michael Moore

150 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 10:23:25am

Obama has done so much to try to return the country's mindset to September 10, 2001, that I halfway expect to hear any day now that the World Trade Center towers have miraculously reappeared. He is truly dangerous.

151 FightingBack  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 10:23:33am

What is he thinking? That they will go into "Education" like Ayers?

152 avanti  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 10:23:33am

re: #121 FurryOldGuyJeans

Oh, so on this you accept what the man says, yet discount everything else about his agenda he has laid out for months in his own words as unknowable?

Quit moving the goal posts.

I accept his political savvy, freeing the prisoners would not win him any hearts and minds even if he was stupid enough to want to. Both McCain and Obama only thought of closing the place because of the politics.

153 loppyd  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 10:23:39am

re: #140 winston06

Jimmy Carter is back in Obama's character and figure

Jimmah had similar approval ratings at the beginning of his presidency.

154 DeafDog  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 10:23:54am

re: #63 Cognito

Yes, but this particulasr site is dedicated to covering political moves around DC, so the focus is appropriate.

Your attitude is why the article is so unsettling. I'm not willing to give the author a pass. Something is seriously wrong with anyone who does not realize that there are longer term consequences to current actions. He can reference the feel good factor, but he should also balance that with potential long term consequences.

Same diff wth the 'stimulous' bonanza, spending a a trillion $$$ on goodies by borrowing the money from China. It feels good to spend the money on a charge card, but not so good when you have to pay the bill. As long as Obama can postpone the day of reckoning till after 2012, he's a smarrt cookie according to this guy. I call BS. Who needs that kind of journalism?

155 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 10:23:56am

re: #140 winston06

Jimmy Carter is back in Obama's character and figure

Time to redeploy the rabbit.

156 itellu3times  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 10:23:57am

re: #147 irongrampa

I suspect McCain WOULD have closed Gitmo. I also suspect he'd have had a coherent strategy of HOW, not being one to confuse strategy with tactics, in matters like this.

Yeah, well, that didn't exactly cause a flood of conservative votes to back him on it.

157 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 10:24:24am

Whether an opponent can use a Gtimo terrorist in a campaign ad depends on whether any dissent from the 0ne is allowed in 2012.
I'm not so sure there will be any real dissent.
Hell, I'm not so sure there was any REAL opposition in 2008.

158 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 10:24:40am

re: #146 jcm

POOF!

POOF! Makes me happy sometimes.

159 goddessoftheclassroom  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 10:24:44am

BBIAM

160 loppyd  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 10:24:46am

re: #147 irongrampa

I suspect McCain WOULD have closed Gitmo. I also suspect he'd have had a coherent strategy of HOW, not being one to confuse strategy with tactics, in matters like this.

And I still would think it was a terrible idea.

161 BatGuano  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 10:24:57am

re: #125 itellu3times

Pollock died many years ago. don't know what that is all about.

162 Silhouette  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 10:25:14am

re: #137 CyanSnowHawk

I understand all to well what you are saying. You are allowing your hatred for our President to make you think that American casualties are beneficial. When the liberals did it over the past 8 years we called it BDS.

Indeed.

I do not want to see Obama "proved wrong" so much that I would take any pleasure in anything bad happening to any innocent person at the hands of released terrorists.

At all.

163 loppyd  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 10:25:17am

re: #125 itellu3times

So just wot's with the Google logo today, did Jackson Pollock die?

It's his birthday.

164 Kragarghazi  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 10:25:28am
Youtube Video
165 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 10:25:41am

re: #152 avanti

I accept his political savvy, freeing the prisoners would not win him any hearts and minds even if he was stupid enough to want to. Both McCain and Obama only thought of closing the place because of the politics.

You know what is in McCain's heart so to prompt his desire to close Gitmo? Man, you are fucking Carnac!

You just can't resist saying the dumbest shit that comes to mind while you move the goal posts.

166 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 10:25:43am

re: #147 irongrampa

I suspect McCain WOULD have closed Gitmo. I also suspect he'd have had a coherent strategy of HOW, not being one to confuse strategy with tactics, in matters like this.

I agree; he would have closed it.

167 itellu3times  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 10:25:47am

re: #140 winston06

Jimmy Carter is back in Obama's character and figure

Huh? You mean, Obama is the black Carter?

Whatever.

Ol' Legume was on Charlie Rose last night, hawking peace for the poor oppressed Hamas bastiches.

168 jcm  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 10:25:49am

re: #161 BatGuano

Pollock died many years ago. don't know what that is all about.

Paul Jackson Pollock (January 28, 1912 – August 11, 1956).

169 Dustyvet  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 10:25:52am

re: #155 Ward Cleaver

Time to redeploy the rabbit.

Calling the Rabbit Deployment Force...


Image: Kaninhoppning-king_of_joyride.jpg

170 CyanSnowHawk  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 10:26:00am

re: #93 Picayune

Worse - "for Klingon, press 5."

That would be more like this.

For Klingon, get off the damn phone and bring us the head of a Targ, or we will strip you of your honor!

171 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 10:26:37am

Obama is pursuing a very dangerous gamble with Gitmo right now. I have a bad feeling it will come back to bite him on the ass before 2009 is out.

Remember, they tested Clinton a little over a month after he took the oath of office. I'd feel lucky if they give Obama that long, and I don't.

172 dentate  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 10:26:37am

Each guest departing Gitmo will receive a parting Goodie Bag as a token of our appreciation, including a Koran with nameplate signature from our President and his own personal Egg of Power, plus discount coupons good toward the purchase of American goods wherever they may be sold...it's page 557 of the Economic Stimulus Plan.

173 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 10:27:03am

re: #161 BatGuano

Pollock died many years ago. don't know what that is all about.

I always thought there was something fishy about his paintings.

174 Kenneth  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 10:27:05am

re: #128 avanti

Did you ever wonder why, after condemning Bush's Gitmo for the past 7 years and demanding it be closed, the Democrats are suddenly at a loss what to do with it? Obama has directed a panel look into possible ways to close it and what to do with the prisoners. Gosh, I thought they had that all figured out all ready! No?

Obama is demonstrating political opportunism at it's worse.

175 Silhouette  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 10:27:05am

re: #163 loppyd

It's his birthday.

What a shame to die on your birthday.

/intentional misunderstanding

176 FightingBack  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 10:27:05am

What is the downside to Gitmo? That Libs don't like it? It gets bad press? But he can control the press, can't he?

177 [deleted]  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 10:27:21am
178 avanti  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 10:27:22am

re: #147 irongrampa

I suspect McCain WOULD have closed Gitmo. I also suspect he'd have had a coherent strategy of HOW, not being one to confuse strategy with tactics, in matters like this.

That's why Obama is waiting a year, to get the "how" He just gets points for announcing early to win points.

179 irongrampa  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 10:27:24am

re: #156 itellu3times

re: #160 loppyd

I agree wholeheartedly with both of you, my point was that there would at least have been SOME foresight.

180 Lincolntf  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 10:27:24am

re: #152 avanti

Actually, McCain's basis for objecting to Gitmo was his own personal experience. The allegations of "torture" were too much for him to handle. Can't blame him for that. I suspect he would have had a much more viable plan than Obama seems to have.
Obama will loose these terrorists onto the world for no larger reason than to ingratiate himself further with the anti-American slobs at Kos and the NYT.

181 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 10:27:37am

re: #163 loppyd

It's his birthday.

So what. On this day, in 1903, Edna Warwick was born. When she was 14, she dropped her paint set on the floor of her Sunday school room, and the water colors merged to form the image of a large map of Europe.

No one remembers that.

182 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 10:27:39am

re: #172 dentate

Each guest departing Gitmo will receive a parting Goodie Bag as a token of our appreciation, including a Koran with nameplate signature from our President and his own personal Egg of Power, plus discount coupons good toward the purchase of American goods wherever they may be sold...it's page 557 of the Economic Stimulus Plan.

What, no AK-47 and 500 rounds of ammo? How about 40 acres and a mule?

183 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 10:28:21am

re: #151 FightingBack

What is he thinking? That they will go into "Education" like Ayers?

Yeah, the 1969 Ayers - teaching people how to build bombs.

184 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 10:28:27am

re: #147 irongrampa

I suspect McCain WOULD have closed Gitmo. I also suspect he'd have had a coherent strategy of HOW, not being one to confuse strategy with tactics, in matters like this.

I didn't find much of anything about McCain coherent.

185 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 10:28:31am

re: #125 itellu3times

So just wot's with the Google logo today, did Jackson Pollock die?


I noticed that too. My first thought was: "gee, I should ask the Lizards about this." But then I got into what I was googling.

186 jill e  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 10:28:32am

Sorry...another OT: Voting begins in Iraq

Who would have thought, a few years ago, that by 2009 the biggest conflict in Fallujah would be debates between competing political candidates? America's armed forces and the leadership of the Bush administration can take a great deal of pride in these developments. —Power Line

187 reine.de.tout  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 10:28:32am

re: #177 buzzsawmonkey

I still say that, if Gitmo must be closed, Al-Catraz should be recommissioned.

The jihadis will be safely surrounded by water.

They will have their hearts gladdened by being in a prison with an Arabic name.

The moonbats of San Francisco will have their hearts gladdened by the proximity of the jihadis.

And the closing of Gitmo will have been accomplished, to appease the nutbars across this great and wondrous land.

It's win-win-win.

Al-Catraz.
Great one.

188 Silhouette  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 10:28:35am

re: #182 Kosh's Shadow

What, no AK-47 and 500 rounds of ammo? How about 40 acres and a mule?

Rice-a-roni

189 [deleted]  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 10:28:39am
190 loppyd  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 10:29:00am

OT: Rush saying Eric Cantor is on MSNBC being grilled by Andrea Mitchell on why he won't denounce Rush.

And he's going to be on Rush's show later.

191 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 10:29:01am

re: #173 Kosh's Shadow

I always thought there was something fishy about his paintings.

Don't get me carping about Pollock.

192 jcm  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 10:29:24am

re: #182 Kosh's Shadow

What, no AK-47 and 500 rounds of ammo? How about 40 acres and a mule?

Release inmates get a new man dress, $30, a suitcase with prayer rug and stone, a flush proof Quran and an AK-47 with 500 rounds.

193 Kenneth  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 10:29:33am

re: #173 Kosh's Shadow

I always thought there was something fishy about his paintings.

Good Cod that's a bad pun.

194 dentate  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 10:29:35am

re: #177 buzzsawmonkey

I still say that, if Gitmo must be closed, Al-Catraz should be recommissioned.

The jihadis will be safely surrounded by water.

They will have their hearts gladdened by being in a prison with an Arabic name.

The moonbats of San Francisco will have their hearts gladdened by the proximity of the jihadis.

And the closing of Gitmo will have been accomplished, to appease the nutbars across this great and wondrous land.

It's win-win-win.

And, it will attract a totally new kind of tourist!

195 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 10:29:41am

re: #191 Ward Cleaver

Don't get me carping about Pollock.

I shad you not.

196 Son of the Black Dog  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 10:29:47am

re: #1 phoenixgirl

he's not naive, he's dangerous

He's dangerous largely because he is so naive.

197 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 10:29:54am

re: #180 Lincolntf

Actually, McCain's basis for objecting to Gitmo was his own personal experience. The allegations of "torture" were too much for him to handle. Can't blame him for that. I suspect he would have had a much more viable plan than Obama seems to have.
Obama will loose these terrorists onto the world for no larger reason than to ingratiate himself further with the anti-American slobs at Kos and the NYT.

avanti has repeatedly said he doesn't know Obama's heart so he can excuse any of the man's Socialist policies and agenda, and yet now has repeatedly stated without qualification he knows exactly why both men would close Gitmo.

198 loppyd  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 10:29:59am

re: #181 Walter L. Newton

So what. On this day, in 1903, Edna Warwick was born. When she was 14, she dropped her paint set on the floor of her Sunday school room, and the water colors merged to form the image of a large map of Europe.

No one remembers that.

I didn't say I agreed. I looked it up this morning when I saw the banner.

199 Kragarghazi  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 10:30:12am

re: #191 Ward Cleaver

Don't get me carping about Pollock.

That will surely cause the thread to flounder.

200 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 10:30:13am

re: #190 loppyd

OT: Rush saying Eric Cantor is on MSNBC being grilled by Andrea Mitchell on why he won't denounce Rush.

And he's going to be on Rush's show later.

He should ask her, "What does Alan see in you, anyway?"

201 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 10:30:22am

re: #195 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I shad you not.

No fish comments please. I see cake!

202 irongrampa  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 10:30:27am

re: #184 Walter L. Newton

Be that as it may, he would be a quantum improvement over the present occupant.

203 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 10:30:47am

Who the hell was Jackson Pollock?

204 loppyd  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 10:31:03am

re: #200 Ward Cleaver

He should ask her, "What does Alan see in you, anyway?"

Well, I could take a $tab at what $he $ees in him.

205 avanti  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 10:31:10am

re: #165 FurryOldGuyJeans

You know what is in McCain's heart so to prompt his desire to close Gitmo? Man, you are fucking Carnac!

You just can't resist saying the dumbest shit that comes to mind while you move the goal posts.

Oh for crying out loud, "I suspect" they had politics in mind, and yes I am not a mind reader.

206 [deleted]  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 10:31:15am
207 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 10:31:17am

re: #198 loppyd

I didn't say I agreed. I looked it up this morning when I saw the banner.

Never mind, it was a joke on my part. I really should be living in France, I'm too nuanced.

208 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 10:31:28am

re: #201 Walter L. Newton

Cake?! Who's got cake!?

209 SteveC  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 10:31:36am

re: #7 FurryOldGuyJeans

When one has a high card of a 3 against everyone else having at least 3 of a kind is not the time to start doubling down hoping to bluff your opponents.

But the inexperienced gambler will do exactly that.... every time.

210 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 10:31:45am

re: #203 Honorary Yooper

Who the hell was Jackson Pollock?

Just another dysfunctional abstract painter, like Mark Rothko.

211 mattm  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 10:31:48am

We already know that some former Gitmo detainees have been killed or captured after begin released. So......

212 CharlieBravo  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 10:31:53am

Looking into crystal ball: MSM blames acts of terror by released captives on Bush. After all, if they hadn't been captured and tortured they'd be peaceful shop owners and farmers. BO will retain his teflon... no worries.

213 Kragarghazi  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 10:32:02am

re: #208 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Cake?! Who's got cake!?

The Cake is a lie.

214 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 10:32:03am

re: #203 Honorary Yooper

Who the hell was Jackson Pollock?

"Artist"

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

215 Silhouette  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 10:32:17am

re: #203 Honorary Yooper

Who the hell was Jackson Pollock?

Painter. Paintings look like splatter.

216 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 10:32:19am

re: #190 loppyd

OT: Rush saying Eric Cantor is on MSNBC being grilled by Andrea Mitchell on why he won't denounce Rush.

And he's going to be on Rush's show later.

I fully expect a new round of McCarthyism to sweep Congress, now looking for all the vile Republicans, Conservatives, and general freedom-lovers.

217 FightingBack  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 10:32:23am

Here's a view of Prisons
Penitentiary by Richard Pryor

218 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 10:32:23am

re: #204 loppyd

Well, I could take a $tab at what $he $ees in him.

She probably has great oral skills.

219 [deleted]  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 10:32:25am
220 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 10:32:26am

re: #203 Honorary Yooper

Who the hell was Jackson Pollock?

Painter who invented the spilling large amounts of paint onto a canvas and making large sums of money from it.

221 lawhawk  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 10:32:27am

re: #177 buzzsawmonkey

I still say that, if Gitmo must be closed, Al-Catraz should be recommissioned.

The jihadis will be safely surrounded by water.

They will have their hearts gladdened by being in a prison with an Arabic name.

The moonbats of San Francisco will have their hearts gladdened by the proximity of the jihadis.

And the closing of Gitmo will have been accomplished, to appease the nutbars across this great and wondrous land.

It's win-win-win.

And let the detainees have one of the most spectacular views in the nation (of SF)? And lose a national park? Devil's Island is a better choice anyways.

222 Creeping Eruption  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 10:32:43am

re: #199 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

That will surely cause the thread to flounder.

Did someone trout out a fish-pun thread?

223 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 10:32:45am

re: #213 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

The Cake is a lie.

BASTARDS!

224 Kenneth  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 10:32:50am

re: #203 Honorary Yooper

Jack the Dripper was a leading abstract expressionist painter from the 1950s.

225 BatGuano  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 10:32:56am

re: #168 jcm

I was never able see a difference between Pollock art and a house painters drop-cloth.

226 dentate  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 10:33:02am

re: #206 buzzsawmonkey

Not to mention that the construction work on Al-Catraz will be part of the economic stimulus.

Innovative demolition techniques, too, for revitalizing SF infrastructure...I wonder if the Coit Tower is within Kassam range?

227 jcm  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 10:33:05am

re: #203 Honorary Yooper

Who the hell was Jackson Pollock?

Painted by putting the canvas on the floor and throwing, dripping, squeezing paint onto the canvas.

Youtube Video
228 loppyd  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 10:33:11am

re: #218 Ward Cleaver

She probably has great oral skills.


Could you please pass the brain bleach?

229 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 10:33:27am

re: #205 avanti

Oh for crying out loud, "I suspect" they had politics in mind, and yes I am not a mind reader.

Yet, you flatly stated you knew the reason. Once again you are moving the goal posts.

230 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 10:33:27am

re: #214 Walter L. Newton

"Artist"

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

That looks like paint splatter, not art. Any house painter who doesn't make sure his rollers don't drip can do better.

231 Shug  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 10:33:40am

Obama's presidency is like a fish

It stinks after a few days

232 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 10:33:41am

re: #220 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Painter who invented the spilling large amounts of paint onto a canvas and making large sums of money from it.

I've done that with urine and snow.

233 Shr_Nfr  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 10:33:53am

re: #106 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Bitter people Klingon to their Star Trek eh?

234 irongrampa  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 10:33:55am

re: #225 BatGuano

The drop cloth showed more evidence of talent?

235 Creeping Eruption  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 10:33:56am

re: #225 BatGuano

I was never able see a difference between Pollock art and a house painters drop-cloth.

One cost $3.50, the other $350,000

236 Guanxi88  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 10:33:58am

re: #225 BatGuano

I was never able see a difference between Pollock art and a house painters drop-cloth.

Chief difference is the number of doctoral dissertations and dollars

237 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 10:34:06am

re: #230 Honorary Yooper

That looks like paint splatter, not art. Any house painter who doesn't make sure his rollers don't drip can do better.

That's why I put artist in quotes.

238 reine.de.tout  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 10:34:07am

re: #219 buzzsawmonkey

It probably is an Arabic name; remember that it dates from conquistador times, and there was a lot of Arabic rattling around in Spanish left over from the pre-reconquista days.

Seems you are correct (well, of course you would be) From wiki:

The first Spaniard to discover the island was Juan Manuel de Ayala in 1775, who charted San Francisco Bay and named the island "La Isla de los Alcatraces," which translates as "The Island of the Pelicans,"[1][2][3][4][5][6] from the archaic Spanish alcatraz, "pelican", a word which was borrowed originally from Arabic: القطرس al-qaṭrās, meaning sea eagle.[7]
239 doppelganglander  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 10:34:11am

re: #126 Cognito

birthday, I think

I would have preferred to see them honor the anniversary of the Challenger explosion instead of some talentless drunkard.

240 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 10:34:16am

re: #228 loppyd

Could you please pass the brain bleach?

Sorry. :-(

241 loppyd  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 10:34:18am

re: #221 lawhawk

And let the detainees have one of the most spectacular views in the nation (of SF)? And lose a national park? Devil's Island is a better choice anyways.

Oh noooo, it must be on US soil so as to provide all rights under US law.

Pfftthhh.

242 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 10:34:29am

re: #232 Walter L. Newton

Chuck Norris cans and sells his urine. It's called Red Bull.

243 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 10:34:37am

re: #209 SteveC

But the inexperienced gambler will do exactly that.... every time.

I am very inexperienced and I wouldn't do it.

244 Silhouette  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 10:34:55am

Why am I reminded of goasl 22 and 23 of the 45 goals of the US communist party?

22. Continue discrediting American culture by degrading all forms of artistic expression. An American Communist cell was told to "eliminate all good sculpture from parks and buildings, substitute shapeless, awkward and meaningless forms."

23. Control art critics and directors of art museums. "Our plan is to promote ugliness, repulsive, meaningless art."

245 loppyd  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 10:35:01am

re: #240 Ward Cleaver

Sorry. :-(

No worries, dear.

246 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 10:35:09am

re: #239 doppelganglander

That's today?

247 tfc3rid  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 10:35:10am

Eric Cantor on with Rush Limbaugh now.

248 Outrider  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 10:35:20am

re: #232 Walter L. Newton

I've done that with urine and snow.

people paid large amounts of money for that? ;-)>

249 Dustyvet  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 10:35:23am

re: #199 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

That will surely cause the thread to flounder.

Cod it flounder?

250 loppyd  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 10:35:27am

re: #247 tfc3rid

Eric Cantor on with Rush Limbaugh now.

turning it up

251 _RememberTonyC  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 10:35:27am

Uh oh ... Robert "Buzz Kill" Gibbs is about to do a live press conference. Every other time he's done one, the Dow Jones dropped sharply during the time he was addressing the media. Watch what the DOW is when he starts and what it is when he finishes to see if this annoying trend continues.

252 Kragarghazi  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 10:35:36am

re: #215 Silhouette

Painter. Paintings look like splatter.

Remove baby diaper, smear on canvas, you have a Pollock masterpeice.

253 SteveC  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 10:35:37am

re: #150 Ward Cleaver

Obama has done so much to try to return the country's mindset to September 10, 2001, that I halfway expect to hear any day now that the World Trade Center towers have miraculously reappeared. He is truly dangerous.

The last normal moment I recall was watching Monday Night Football on the night of September 10, 2001. Frank Gifford (?) commented on how you could see the WTC from Giants Stadium.

The next day "normal" went to hell.

254 [deleted]  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 10:35:44am
255 loppyd  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 10:35:51am

re: #251 _RememberTonyC

Uh oh ... Robert "Buzz Kill" Gibbs is about to do a live press conference. Every other time he's done one, the Dow Jones dropped sharply during the time he was addressing the media. Watch what the DOW is when he starts and what it is when he finishes to see if this annoying trend continues.

because Rush is on

256 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 10:36:27am

re: #216 FurryOldGuyJeans

I fully expect a new round of McCarthyism to sweep Congress, now looking for all the vile Republicans, Conservatives, and general freedom-lovers.

Charlie McCarthyism - Ventriloquist dolls controlled by George Soros.

257 Kenneth  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 10:36:38am

re: #220 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Painter who invented the spilling large amounts of paint onto a canvas and making large sums of money from it.

Actually, Pollack didn't make much money at it. His dealer did, and later collectors made plenty more reselling his paintings. There's a good movie about his life starring Ed Harris.

258 Erik The Red  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 10:36:54am

re: #189 taxfreekiller

No, he is securing the commie, earth first, traitor John F. Kerry , anti-war,Democrat base vote, thats all, he does not give a rats ass if they
come back and kill Americans, for him and the current loons of the
Democrat party, power to do the commie way over rules all.

Great evil is here, now, and it has representation at the highest levels of our Federal Government.

Once again tfk don't hold back. Tell us how you really feel.

259 _RememberTonyC  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 10:36:55am

re: #255 loppyd

because Rush is on


OK .. Dow up 170 when Gibbs started ...

260 avanti  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 10:37:01am

re: #180 Lincolntf

Actually, McCain's basis for objecting to Gitmo was his own personal experience. The allegations of "torture" were too much for him to handle. Can't blame him for that. I suspect he would have had a much more viable plan than Obama seems to have.
Obama will loose these terrorists onto the world for no larger reason than to ingratiate himself further with the anti-American slobs at Kos and the NYT.

I think it's the torture issue that was the major reason for the clamor for the closing. McCain may well have felt a more personal objection then Obama and we still don't know what's Obama's plan.

261 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 10:37:03am

re: #251 _RememberTonyC

Currently DOW +170 or there abouts.

262 dentate  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 10:37:04am

re: #219 buzzsawmonkey

It probably is an Arabic name; remember that it dates from conquistador times, and there was a lot of Arabic rattling around in Spanish left over from the pre-reconquista days.

Certainly. Algebra, alcohol, etc. all Arabic. Alhambra, of course, right here in Southern California, and Alameda, within sight of AlCatraz (but not, perhaps, Al Gore or Al Franken). Also all the Guade- names like Guadelajar, Guade- being Wadi. 800 years of Muslim rule leaves its mark.

263 Silhouette  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 10:37:04am

re: #252 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Remove baby diaper, smear on canvas, you have a Pollock masterpeice.

Dayam, what are you feeding your baby?

/Pollock used all the colors.

264 DeafDog  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 10:37:15am

re: #86 avanti

McCain would have faced the same risk in his plan to shut down Gitmo. Neither of them intended to release all the inmates, just move them and close the symbol.

You realize, of course, that if the inmates get moved to the US soil, there is a high liklihood that this will be the unintended consequence?

Announcing the symbolic gesture of closure before he has the foggiest notion of what to do with the inmates was foolish.

BTW - the one semi-valid point for those terrorists is that they have not had 'due-process' We finally got the Military tribunals for them up and running and Obama stopped them too. (Which is idiot strike #2).

Idiot strike number 3 was that Al Jazerra interview

3 idiot strikes in a week....he's out!

265 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 10:37:34am

Gosh. That was 23 years ago.

Ladies and gentlemen, I'd planned to speak to you tonight to report on the state of the Union, but the events of earlier today have led me to change those plans. Today is a day for mourning and remembering. Nancy and I are pained to the core by the tragedy of the shuttle Challenger. We know we share this pain with all of the people of our country. This is truly a national loss.

Nineteen years ago, almost to the day, we lost three astronauts in a terrible accident on the ground. But we've never lost an astronaut in flight; we've never had a tragedy like this. And perhaps we've forgotten the courage it took for the crew of the shuttle. But they, the Challenger Seven, were aware of the dangers, but overcame them and did their jobs brilliantly. We mourn seven heroes: Michael Smith, Dick Scobee, Judith Resnik, Ronald McNair, Ellison Onizuka, Gregory Jarvis, and Christa McAuliffe. We mourn their loss as a nation together.

-Ronald W. Reagan.

266 SteveC  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 10:37:40am

re: #243 FurryOldGuyJeans

I am very inexperienced and I wouldn't do it.

But you're smarter than the card counter in the White House!

267 faraway  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 10:37:46am

Putin calls economic crisis a 'perfect storm'

If you think the Cold War thawed, you're wrong.

268 Erik The Red  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 10:38:07am

re: #201 Walter L. Newton

No fish comments please. I see cake!

Do you get shad in the US?

269 Lincolntf  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 10:38:46am

re: #268 Erik The Red

Yes. But we call it bait.

270 Cognito  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 10:39:19am

re: #154 DeafDog

Your attitude is why the article is so unsettling. I'm not willing to give the author a pass. Something is seriously wrong with anyone who does not realize that there are longer term consequences to current actions. He can reference the feel good factor, but he should also balance that with potential long term consequences.

Same diff wth the 'stimulous' bonanza, spending a a trillion $$$ on goodies by borrowing the money from China. It feels good to spend the money on a charge card, but not so good when you have to pay the bill. As long as Obama can postpone the day of reckoning till after 2012, he's a smarrt cookie according to this guy. I call BS. Who needs that kind of journalism?

What are you talking about? What 'feel good factor'?

It's a site -- the Capitol Journal -- that focuses on political maneuvering. So they ran a story about political maneuvering. Expecting them to do otherwise is a waste of chastisement.

271 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 10:39:32am

have a great day all!

272 Outrider  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 10:39:46am

re: #260 avanti

I think it's the torture issue that was the major reason for the clamor for the closing. McCain may well have felt a more personal objection then Obama and we still don't know what's Obama's plan.

if i recall, there were a total of three instances of "torture" conducted. Torture being defined as waterboarding in these particular cases. the same waterboarding military members got (still get?) going through SEER training.

273 itellu3times  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 10:40:07am

re: #260 avanti

I think it's the torture issue that was the major reason for the clamor for the closing. McCain may well have felt a more personal objection then Obama and we still don't know what's Obama's plan.

That would be swell if anyone was actually being tortured there. And even in that case, the torture could be discontinued but the incarceration (and trials, and executions - or release) continued.

But when even McCain's number one reason for closing Gitmo is "Abu-Ghraib", it's all nonsense.

274 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 10:40:08am

re: #266 SteveC

But you're smarter than the card counter in the White House!

No, I know the man is smarter. But intelligence is not wisdom, and of that I am not sure he has any.

275 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 10:40:27am

re: #253 SteveC

The last normal moment I recall was watching Monday Night Football on the night of September 10, 2001. Frank Gifford (?) commented on how you could see the WTC from Giants Stadium.

The next day "normal" went to hell.

I remember how the media were questioning actress (and former Ellen DeGeneres squeeze) Anne Heche's mental state, after her appearance in an ABC interview (with Barbara Walters, IIRC) the previous Thursday. Trivial, meaningless crap.

276 avanti  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 10:40:46am

re: #229 FurryOldGuyJeans

Yet, you flatly stated you knew the reason. Once again you are moving the goal posts.

OK, consider them moved, you won the pissing contest, now back to the discussion.

277 VioletTiger  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 10:40:52am

re: #265 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
One of thsoe moments in history when you can recall exactly where you were nd what you were doing when you found out.

278 Outrider  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 10:41:05am

re: #263 Silhouette

Dayam, what are you feeding your baby?

/Pollock used all the colors.

there is one brand of kids cereal that turns the poo a remarkable color of blue. Really freaks a person out until they identify the cause. ;-)>

279 CyanSnowHawk  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 10:41:05am

re: #208 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Cake?! Who's got cake!?

Garibaldi.

280 doppelganglander  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 10:41:05am

re: #246 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

That's today?

Yep. 23 years. I was working as a temp for the City of Monterey, California. The news came on the radio and suddenly about 20 reporters, who had been at a city council meeting, came barreling in, demanding to use the phones to call their editors. (No cell phones, of course, and only one pay phone outside.) We said no and managed to extricate them all from the office eventually. The rest of the day we just sat there in shock, watching the replays on TV.

281 realwest  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 10:41:37am

There is little doubt in my mind that the terrorists will attack America again; it's to their probable benefit (showing the World that no matter WHO we elect as POTUS we're still the Great Satan); Obama is already in the process of making it easier for them to attack us successfully and remember folks we are facing true
barbarians here, who worship death - others first, then their own if need be.
All I can say to all those who had BDS is this: SEVEN YEARS AND NO ATTACKS ON AMERICA.
Thank you President Bush.

282 Erik The Red  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 10:42:06am

re: #269 Lincolntf

Yes. But we call it bait.

I would not even call it that. Much like crap or catfish.

283 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 10:42:10am

re: #265 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Gee, you were just a Skinny Vegetarian Bastard then:)

284 Silhouette  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 10:42:25am

re: #278 Outrider

there is one brand of kids cereal that turns the poo a remarkable color of blue. Really freaks a person out until they identify the cause. ;-)>

For us it was Blue's Clues applesauce.

285 doppelganglander  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 10:42:47am

re: #265 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Thanks for posting that. Reagan always knew exactly what to say at moments like that.

286 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 10:43:07am

re: #177 buzzsawmonkey

I still say that, if Gitmo must be closed, Al-Catraz should be recommissioned.

The Goatman of al-Katras?
Sounds marketable.
Who do we get to play the lead?

287 [deleted]  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 10:43:15am
288 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 10:43:21am

re: #268 Erik The Red

Do you get shad in the US?

A friend and I used to catch them with a cast net, throw them in a cooler, then use them for bait, to catch bass.

289 BatGuano  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 10:43:36am

re: #265 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I had forgotten the date for the first time in many years. Thank you for the quote from that speech.

290 Charles Johnson  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 10:44:10am

NOTE!

I'm going to need to restart the MySQL server, so we'll be offline for a few minutes. Don't panic. We'll be right back.

291 eschew_obfuscation  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 10:44:22am

re: #250 loppyd

turning it up

more...... I still can't hear it ;~)

292 Rancher  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 10:44:44am

This has already happened under Bush's watch. Sixty some detainees already released have gone back to some type of Jihad. Those released were deemed safe however, what is left are the worst of the worst and may be released by the legal system, maybe released on American soil. It will be very difficult to try some of these guys given that they were captured not arrested. Those that are incarcerated will still have rights and if any are released to general population and kill a correctional officer that won't sit well with allot of folk. I'm very glad I work in a state prison instead of a federal one.

293 Dustyvet  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 10:44:45am

January 28, 1986


Youtube Video
Youtube Video
294 guitarguy  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 10:49:05am

re: #190 loppyd

OT: Rush saying Eric Cantor is on MSNBC being grilled by Andrea Mitchell on why he won't denounce Rush.

And he's going to be on Rush's show later.

re: Limbaugh "I hope Obama fails..." quote.
The comeback question - to Andrea Mitchell, Harry Reid, Pelosi, etc. - should be: "Did you want President Bush to succeed?"

295 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 10:49:07am

re: #276 avanti

OK, consider them moved, you won the pissing contest, now back to the discussion.

If the implications of the man's oft repeated policy objectives and agenda were not so detrimental to the US I wouldn't be so intense in fighting misrepresentations and outright lies.

296 rexatosis  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 10:49:30am

The WSJ article touches on the fundamental problem of the next four years. President Obama (44) has no administrative nor executive experience that has prepared him for the Presidency. 44 has never had to make a policy decision and live with its consequences, he has had the luxury of ponitificating on policy without the responsibility of carrying out that policy or paying its price. Essentially he is like a gambler rolling the dice with other people's money, in this case other people's lives. Unfortunately the MSM and those around him do not what to tell 44 or the people the truth about his "new clothes."

297 SteveC  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 10:52:42am

re: #275 Ward Cleaver

I remember how the media were questioning actress (and former Ellen DeGeneres squeeze) Anne Heche's mental state, after her appearance in an ABC interview (with Barbara Walters, IIRC) the previous Thursday. Trivial, meaningless crap.

Remember Chandra Levy? All the hoopla about her quickly took a back seat! (I expected her to be front and center when the MSM snapped out of "TRAGEDY!" mode and went back to "mindless drivel.")

298 Silhouette  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 10:53:32am

re: #294 guitarguy

re: Limbaugh "I hope Obama fails..." quote.
The comeback question - to Andrea Mitchell, Harry Reid, Pelosi, etc. - should be: "Did you want President Bush to succeed?"

The whole attack on Rush for wanting Obama to fail flies in the face of 8 years of "dissent is patriotic" rhetoric.

In their case, their dissent was wishing for the defeat of the US or agreeing with our enemies that the US sucks, and rightwingers were told we could not call that unpatriotic.

In this case, just hoping that policies fail is being treated as hate-speech.

299 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 10:54:29am

re: #297 SteveC

Remember Chandra Levy? All the hoopla about her quickly took a back seat! (I expected her to be front and center when the MSM snapped out of "TRAGEDY!" mode and went back to "mindless drivel.")

There is always some other distraction that the FMSM can dredge up to pacify and placate the masses.

300 debutaunt  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 10:54:45am

re: #163 loppyd

It's his birthday.

Will the frosting have weird dribbles on it?

301 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 10:55:44am

re: #298 Silhouette

The whole attack on Rush for wanting Obama to fail flies in the face of 8 years of "dissent is patriotic" rhetoric.

In their case, their dissent was wishing for the defeat of the US or agreeing with our enemies that the US sucks, and rightwingers were told we could not call that unpatriotic.

In this case, just hoping that policies fail is being treated as hate-speech.

That was then, and this is now. Logical consistency is not to be found in the Leftoid's DNA.

302 Kenneth  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 10:56:42am

Jackson Pollack was a brilliant painter. If you are ever in New York, go to the MOMA and stand in front of one of his large action painting and let it drip all over you, visually speaking. If you put aside the knee-jerk reaction of saying your 3 year old could do that, and just LOOK at it, you are in for a real treat. Honestly.

As for the outrageous prices in the modern art market, that's an entirely different subject.

On an interesting note, there is a debate in art circles over whether Jackson Pollack and the other American abstract expressionist of the 1950's were part of a cultural war against the USSR. The abstract painters represented the ultimate intellectual individualism, in contrast to Soviet Social Realism.

American art and the Cold War.

303 justabill  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 10:57:21am

re: #242 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Chuck Norris cans and sells his urine. It's called Red Bull.

His urine is red? He should see a doctor...

304 DeafDog  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 10:58:10am

re: #270 Cognito

What are you talking about? What 'feel good factor'?

It's a site -- the Capitol Journal -- that focuses on political maneuvering. So they ran a story about political maneuvering. Expecting them to do otherwise is a waste of chastisement.

My point is that the 'political' discussion that this guy is mouthing has now perspective within a larger context. Sorry you don't get it.

BTW - Chastisement is free and in unlimited supply. It's hard to waste such a commodity.

305 Rancher  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 10:58:29am

Rush wants Obama's agenda of massively expanding governmental control over all aspects of our lives to fail but that little caveat is left out of the discussion. Rush will always be taken out of context, he knows this but doesn't care. What other celebrity has so much power that he has the President and Congress constantly promoting his show?

306 Kenneth  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 10:58:51am

Wait a minute! Apparently there's some sort of election going on in Iraq! When did they become a democracy? How did that happen? Who knew? Why didn't anybody in the media report on this?

307 Scion9  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 11:01:46am

re: #18 jemima

So there is an upside to this.

The only potential upside is if a Gitmo Alumni that returns to terrorism winds up in a 'work accident' before he can do any damage to people that I don't want blown up.

308 nyc redneck  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 11:02:45am

the odds of a freed jihadi going back to terrorism are great.
it has already happened.
in the face of that frightening evidence, o has decided that american lives are worth less than trying to please the far left america haters who helped put him in office.
he is a power hungry reckless fool.

309 Perry  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 11:03:38am

re: #286 pre-Boomer Marine brat

The Goatman of al-Katras?
Sounds marketable.
Who do we get to play the lead?


How bout this guy?

OBL

310 BatGuano  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 11:05:51am

re: #290 Charles

I panicked. I'm over it now.

311 RaiderDan  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 11:07:00am

For what its worth, Charles, and as others have already mentioned, the MSNBC leftists are already preparing their defense against this clear vulnerability against The One. Keith Olbermann is already issuing the talking points. "Bush turned innocent Muslims into Al Qaeda terrorists with Gitmo"


Your text to link...

Which of course begs the question. On 8:30 a.m on September 11, 2001, nobody had heard of Gitmo or waterboarding or Abu Ghirab, and yet....

312 Outrider  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 11:07:35am

re: #302 Kenneth

Jackson Pollack was a brilliant painter. If you are ever in New York, go to the MOMA and stand in front of one of his large action painting and let it drip all over you, visually speaking. If you put aside the knee-jerk reaction of saying your 3 year old could do that, and just LOOK at it, you are in for a real treat. Honestly.

As for the outrageous prices in the modern art market, that's an entirely different subject.

On an interesting note, there is a debate in art circles over whether Jackson Pollack and the other American abstract expressionist of the 1950's were part of a cultural war against the USSR. The abstract painters represented the ultimate intellectual individualism, in contrast to Soviet Social Realism.

American art and the Cold War.

I've tried looking and trying to find something in many of the modern works. I must have limited imagination as I just fail to see the talent or brilliance.

313 BatGuano  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 11:09:20am

re: #305 Rancher

None. Oh, was that a rhetorical question? (sarc thingy)

314 dhg4  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 11:12:48am

re: #8 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

He's betting the MSM will cover his ass when the guys he releases end up killing Americans again.

Its a safe bet.

Recall, more than once some outlet of the MSM has alleged that it was Gitmo that made innocents into terrorists. They tend to forget that Gitmo also houses lots of folks who ought not ever see the light of day again.

315 leftover54  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 11:31:33am

Fine. Kill the thread after my post. My spirits will not be diminished. I'll just
repeat here:

Way OT:

From New York:

It is snowing up here like theres no global warming, the wood stove is fired up - I'm off from work and "The Shop Around The Corner" (Jimmy Stewart) begins in 5 minutes (TMC) and I just purchased a tin of Red Cake Virginia (McClellands). Please L_rd, let nothing interrupt this next hour and 40 minutes or so. Time for some Swiss Miss (Dark Chocolate of course) and a Dunkin Donuts powdered jelly donut or two ! YESSSSSSSsssssssssssssssss ! Does it get any better ?

/a man of simple pleasures.
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Of course I'm now 30 minutes into it.

316 UberInfidel67  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 11:33:35am

re: #306 Kenneth Click my avatar

317 NY Nana  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 11:43:34am

Totally OT, but I can't stop laughing...email from my daughter re the 2-year old bandit grandson:

In the car just now, on the way home from Gan, Harry started chanting ***“baruch atah adonai eloheinu melech haolam, borei pree...” and stopped. I asked him what came next, and he said with a grin, “Harry!”

So I ate him.

***Hebrew blessing over wine/grape juice

318 Peter Verkooijen  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 11:52:59am
It’s not hard to imagine the television commercial from Mr. Obama’s 2012 opponent arguing that the president’s naiveté about how the world works cost American lives.

By 2012 that type of commercial will have been outlawed as "racist hate speech". Anyway, clueless conservatives will have forced another McCain type on the Republican party, probably Huckabee, who will refuse to "play politics" with whatever terrorist attack.

319 Sheepdogess  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 12:00:52pm
There are several potential scenarios that could create political problems for Mr. Obama, but one stands out: a Guantanamo detainee finds his way to freedom and takes part in a terrorist attack, especially one that kills Americans. Think of the impact of Willie Horton—multiplied.

It won't matter. The media will ignore it just like they ignored william Ayers, and he knows this.

320 aacon  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 12:05:22pm
Think of the impact of Willie Horton—multiplied.

Did this make anybody else think of "Team America"?

Spottswoode: From what I.N.T.E.L.L.I.G.N.C.E has gathered, it would be 9/11 times 100.
Gary Johnston: 9/11 times a hundred? Jesus, that's...
Spottswoode: Yes, 91,100.
Chris: Basically, all the worst parts of the bible.

And, later on...

Kim Jong Il: It will be 9/11 times 2356.
Chris: My God, that's... I don't even know what that is!
Kim Jong Il: Nobody does!

321 Deaconalso  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 12:06:09pm

How can he go wrong when the "Taliban" applauds his efforts. What an F'n moron! [Link: www.alertnet.org...]

322 Brees  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 12:24:23pm

Well. If we're lucky...................all those "detainees" will be killed by our military, after they relocate back to Durkadurkastan

323 looking closely  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 12:38:41pm

Ah, but Obama is NOT closing Guantanamo.

Someone cynical might point out that since Senator "present" has been running for office for over a year on the promise of closing the place down, by this point in time, he MIGHT have already studied the issue thoroughly and come up with a way to close down the facility BEFORE he took office.

IE, this is another example of posturing where Senator "present" has taken a liberal policy position without actually thinking through its ramifications. (EG, unconditional sit down talks with the world's worst dictators, shutting down the American coal industry, etc).

Meanwhile, he's "studying" the issue. . . for a full year. Why on earth would it take a FULL YEAR to make a decision on the place? Is Answer, because he's hoping the issue will dull down and/or go away by then.

Then he'll let his politicized panel make suggestions. Or maybe they'll ask for more time to study the decision, and he'll grant it. If they don't come up with a good plan, he'll convene a second panel. Or maybe he'll go with their plan then blame them after its a failure.

But so long has he doesn't have to actually make any hard decisions on the matter, he'll be fine.

324 Ron Shaw  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 12:40:10pm

This game has American lives in the pot and "betting against the house" is a gross understatement since imo time will show it was a "lose lose" scenario from the Gitmo!

325 hazzyday  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 12:42:58pm

Apparently a gitmo jihadi released into the wild acquires an immense amount of power gifted to him by Pres. Obama.

326 bombarafat  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 12:44:55pm

How nice of BO to wager American lives or anyone elses for tha matter.
What a shmendrick. Not long from now there won't be people who will admit to having voted for him.

327 Gang of One  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 12:46:26pm

re: #30 Emperor Norton

Americans will soon realize they've elected the equivalent of a sophomore from Brown as President.

Have not read through all the posts, but I would say that Zero is more like a freshman from Antioch College doing his first co-op work/study at ACORN.

/been there ... 1978-79 ... knew enough to transfer out.

328 jpkoch  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 12:47:59pm

It may not matter what the RNC Leadership thinks. I imagine by 2010, the game will be totally different. The old Dole-Bush-Frist-Gilespie leadership is in decay. The biggest losers since 2006 are the GOP Moderates. Really, what moderate positions can the GOP take that have not already been taken (by either Bush, McCain, or Obama). The Moderates always surge AFTER the conservatives clean up the Moderates or Liberals past messes. Where would Lugar, Specter, Snow, Frum, Noonan be without Reagan or Gingrich? (not that Gingrich is all that conservative).

I think there is a vague disquiet in the Obama/Dem camp right now. Gone is Bush; gone is Cheney; gone is Scooter Libbey, and Gonzalez. They are the majority. Obama did something very dangerous and he knows it. He also knows he will take the heat if the Pelosi-Reid Spending Orgy fails (and it will).

329 looking closely  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 1:06:47pm

re: #325 hazzyday

Apparently a gitmo jihadi released into the wild acquires an immense amount of power gifted to him by Pres. Obama.


In all seriousness, that's likely true.

Being held in Guantanamo is likely the ultimate badge of honor for a Jihadi, and subsequent release likewise the ultimate example of Western weakness.

330 A.W.  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 1:14:33pm

I think the notion that Barack Obama will be blamed if we are hit is dubious. the left has already convinced itself it knows what causes terrorism: bush's policies. so if we get hit, its still bush's fault.

And honestly, it might be. bush has been, if anything, too easy on these gitmo types as the recent spate of gitmo alumni going back to AQ attest. And do i even have to talk about the border control situation? But we know the left is not going to accuse Bush of being too gentle on terrorists or point out the need to control our borders, so they will instead imagine that before bush came along everyone loved america and no one attacked it.

Sigh.

331 foxsecret  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 1:22:02pm

Only a FOOL gambles with national security for global political expediency.

332 crosspatch  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 1:25:48pm

"Think of the impact of Willie Horton—multiplied."

Abu Willie al Horton is exactly what Obama needs to be worried about.

333 Achilles Tang  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 1:30:34pm

re: #238 reine.de.tout

Hi, I did reply earlier, but we can continue this another time if appropriate and if you wish.

Cheers

334 descolada9  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 1:31:05pm

Even in 2012 the Obama Administration and the MSM will still say it was Bush's fault or the fault of Repubs in Congress, anything but taking ownership of their mistakes.

After 9/11/01 I was angry and knew that missiles would fly. By 9/11/09 I might well be afraid of the bad guys winning.

335 Picayune  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 1:51:36pm

re: #334 descolada9

Nope, Joe the Biden is now on record - "he will be tested". Be ready to duck, on incoming, and remind the MSM of Joe's warning.

336 winston06  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 2:10:32pm

re: #331 foxsecret

and there's a fool in the WH

337 winston06  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 2:15:52pm

re: #335 Picayune

He will be tested and will screw it.

338 winston06  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 2:18:58pm

re: #128 avanti

Uyghur Muslims....

339 Picayune  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 2:36:49pm

And the day after starts open season on MSM/moonbats, unrestricted, in all zones! Mandy already has her message warmed up and ready for the Repubs who have wavered. But, I want my country back, not paybacks.

340 Viper1  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 3:28:49pm

One day there will be a reckoning in this country, and 44 and those who believe in his fool hardy policies will surely be on the receiving end of it.

341 Arby Dwiar  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 5:45:21pm

Mine eyes have been opened, upon the reading of this thread...

I expect things to get ugly - hang tight, folks - Let's Roll


WWTBD

342 wiffersnapper  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 8:18:39pm

Democrats didn't think this one through now did they? Where are we going to put the terrorists?

343 rumcrook  Wed, Jan 28, 2009 10:49:33pm

re: #342 wiffersnapper

Democrats didn't think this one through now did they? Where are we going to put the terrorists?

cant madona adopt a couple? then it would be the trendy thing to do in hollywierd.


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