'Innocent' Gitmo Detainee Suddenly Becomes Jihadi Warrior

‘Innocent’ Gitmo Detainee Suddenly Becomes Jihadi Warrior

US NewsJanuary 2009 • Views: 3,123

When Abu al-Hareth Muhammad al-Oufi was imprisoned at Guantanamo Bay, he loudly, continually protested his innocence. He claimed he was on his way to Pakistan to help refugees, out of the kindness of his heart.

Now that he’s resurfaced in Yemen as an Al Qaeda fighter, suddenly his story has changed: Former Gitmo Detainee Hailed as ‘Fomenter of War’.

SAN JUAN, Puerto Rico�—� Before he was released from Guantanamo, a Saudi detainee insisted he had only wanted to help refugees and was not a fighter. Now, as an Al Qaeda field commander sporting a bandolier of bullets, he is threatening the United States and has been hailed by a militant Web site as a veteran guerrilla and “a fomenter of war.”

The story of Abu al-Hareth Muhammad al-Oufi underscores the dilemma Barack Obama’s administration finds itself in: Keeping men locked up without trials invites global criticism but releasing them without a fair and diligent process to distinguish enemies from noncombatants exposes the U.S. and its allies to danger. It also shows how hard it is to separate truth from lies.

“Hard to separate truth from lies?” Oh yeah, it’s incredibly difficult. Who would have imagined that Islamic terrorists might actually lie?

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115 comments

unreconstructed rebel Thu, Jan 29, 2009 10:30:04am

It begins.

Macker Thu, Jan 29, 2009 10:30:36am

Par for the course.

Oh no...Sand People! Thu, Jan 29, 2009 10:31:31am

I think were going to spend the next 4 years waiting for ‘unclenched fists’. All the while getting hit by them.

Kragar Thu, Jan 29, 2009 10:31:55am

Uniformed Enemy Combatants caught fighting against the military on the battle field should be interrogated, then shot, as allowed by the Geneva Convention.

kafir lover Thu, Jan 29, 2009 10:32:34am

Not lying, Taqiyya!

nevergiveup Thu, Jan 29, 2009 10:32:57am

re: #4 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Uniformed Enemy Combatants caught fighting against the military on the battle field should be interrogated, then shot, as allowed by the Geneva Convention.

I wouldn’t say that. I might do it, but I wouldn’t….

Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Jan 29, 2009 10:32:59am

Well, after all…Gitmo is a pretty place….
-President Barack Obama…in the near future….

gclaghorn Thu, Jan 29, 2009 10:33:23am

Shock and awe! Islamofascists lying? Surely you jest, Charles!

maddogg Thu, Jan 29, 2009 10:33:24am

re: #4 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Uniformed Enemy Combatants caught fighting against the military on the battle field should be interrogated, then shot, as allowed by the Geneva Convention.

Yes, and thats exactly what should have been done. No prisoners, no problems.

lifeofthemind Thu, Jan 29, 2009 10:33:33am

Democratic Guidance Counselors can coo about their baby leaving the nest and finding his voice.

redstateredneck Thu, Jan 29, 2009 10:33:49am

He probably is suffering from post traumatic stress syndrome from having been wrongfully incarcerated.
/

Kragar Thu, Jan 29, 2009 10:34:21am

Imagine a terrorist cell is caught in your town and a quick search reveals that they had produced a least one explosive device and some of the cell members are still missing and they plan to blow up a local school.

With Obama in charge, the prisoners will be told “You have the right to remain silent.”

lawhawk Thu, Jan 29, 2009 10:34:35am

Taqiyya!

All these guys that the US picked up overseas. They’re just guys who happened to cross paths with al Qaeda and Taliban. They’re not that into jihad. It’s just a mistake.

Except when it isn’t.

Despite al Bihani’s claim that he fought only for the Taliban, Judge Leon found that he admitted to serving in the 55th Arab Brigade fighting unit. This unit is comprised of elite al Qaeda fighters who have been assigned to fight alongside the Taliban.
During his time in custody, al Bihani made other admissions. Judge Leon noted that throughout much of his detention al Bihani freely admitted he was trained at al Qaeda camps such as al Farouq and Khalid bin Al Walid. At some point, al Bihani reversed himself on this admission, only to once again admit that he received the training. The U.S. government alleges that al Bihani received “urban warfare training” and was “taught to use anti-aircraft weapons, specifically the SA-7 and ZSU-23.” Judge Leon noted the inconsistency in al Bihani’s testimony, but did not put much stock in his one-time denial. The judge argued that he could have cited al Bihani’s “longstanding and consistent admission to attending those camps,” but chose not to because other evidence “was overwhelming and consistent.”

For example, al Bihani admitted that he stayed in Taliban guesthouses and traveled on Taliban aircraft. During his CSRT hearing, al Bihani admitted: “Yes, I traveled on Taliban aircraft, that is true. Yes, I stayed at the Taliban houses, where was I supposed to stay in the streets?”

Judge Leon noted that al Bihani also “admitted to serving under an al Qaeda military commander.” The judge noted “it is particularly telling that when he finally retreated from the front lines” it was only after the Americans had started their bombing campaign in Afghanistan and al Bihani’s commander ordered their retreat. According to Judge Leon, al Bihani retreated with Taliban forces in Taliban trucks “to a designated guesthouse where the unit went to regroup in preparation for its next mission.”

All of this, Judge Leon concluded, was sufficient to determine that al Bihani “is being lawfully detained as an enemy combatant.”

These guys are far more involved in jihad and al Qaeda and the Islamist movement than they’ll admit. Their actions upon release show their true intentions - that jihad is first and foremost.

Ekcole Thu, Jan 29, 2009 10:34:43am

“Hey look, someone wrote ‘gullible’ on my bomb!”
“Where? I don’t see-”
*Boom!*

[deleted] Thu, Jan 29, 2009 10:34:45am

Kosh's Shadow Thu, Jan 29, 2009 10:35:06am

But if we had never imprisoned him at Gitmo, he wouldn’t be clenching his fist at the US.
/0-“think”

LGoPs Thu, Jan 29, 2009 10:35:11am

Well Shazaaam…..who’d a thunk.
/

Dark_Falcon Thu, Jan 29, 2009 10:35:12am

re: #4 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Non-Uniformed Enemy Combatants caught fighting against the military on the battle field should be interrogated, then shot, as allowed by the Geneva Convention.

Fixed. PIYF

Uniformed, lawful, combatants are normally due POW status if captured. Terrorist are unlawful combatants.

Hutchip Thu, Jan 29, 2009 10:35:35am

re: #4 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Should I assume you meant “Non-uniformed enemy combatants”?

Bubblehead II Thu, Jan 29, 2009 10:35:40am

re: #4 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Uniformed Enemy Combatants caught fighting against the military on the battle field should be interrogated, then shot, as allowed by the Geneva Convention.

Ummm, Don’t you mean NON uniformed combatants?

Oh no...Sand People! Thu, Jan 29, 2009 10:35:50am

re: #12 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Imagine a terrorist cell is caught in your town and a quick search reveals that they had produced a least one explosive device and some of the cell members are still missing and they plan to blow up a local school.

With Obama in charge, the prisoners will be told “You have the right to remain silent.”

We are going exactly back to pre 9/11 mentality. Criminal acts is all they will be in the eyes of government. “Nothing to see here..move along”…

zombie Thu, Jan 29, 2009 10:36:00am

It also shows how hard it is to separate truth from lies.

It’s not hard at all:

If a jihadist’s lips are moving, he’s lying.

lifeofthemind Thu, Jan 29, 2009 10:36:01am

re: #9 maddogg

Yes, and thats exactly what should have been done. No prisoners, no problems.

I was talking with a West Point instructor about just this a couple of days ago. The impact on small unit discipline and the loss of battlefield intelligence due to the lawyerization of combat will have real consequences. People will die.

sawblade88 Thu, Jan 29, 2009 10:36:10am

re: #4 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Uniformed Enemy Combatants caught fighting against the military on the battle field should be interrogated, then shot, as allowed by the Geneva Convention.

If they wore uniforms, Geneva Convention protection would apply. It’s the un-uniformed combatants that have the problem

Cathypop Thu, Jan 29, 2009 10:36:20am

re: #15 MikeySDCA

Actually, the Geneva convention allows the shooting of enemy compatants who are not in uniform.

Well Hell fire away men

Walter L. Newton Thu, Jan 29, 2009 10:36:37am

But, maybe he was innocent and being in Gitmo turned him into a hardened Jihadist? Did we give him a Koran in Gitmo?

Channeling Cognito…
/

nevergiveup Thu, Jan 29, 2009 10:36:38am

re: #15 MikeySDCA

Actually, the Geneva convention allows the shooting of enemy compatants who are not in uniform.

Well I think that refers to a declared and uniformed enemy that then is caught our of uniform in an adversarial role. I am not trying to nit pick, and as I said what i would do and what I would say are 2 different things.

Kragar Thu, Jan 29, 2009 10:36:46am

re: #18 Dark_Falcon

re: #19 Hutchip

re: #20 Bubblehead II

Yes, I meant to type non-uniformed.

kafir lover Thu, Jan 29, 2009 10:36:51am

Taqiyya is like having a Ph.D. in lying

Land Shark Thu, Jan 29, 2009 10:36:54am

Lovely. Just a preview of what we can expect from our new Dear Leader on the War on Terror. Oh, that’s right, The One ended the War on Terror. Silly me. The terrorists love us now that Obama is in charge, right?

Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Jan 29, 2009 10:37:20am

re: #22 zombie

But it’s not lying, is it? According to Islam? Just misleading the infidels for Allah.

Isn’t that right?

MandyManners Thu, Jan 29, 2009 10:37:25am

Too bad we can put RFD chips in them before we release them.

subsailor68 Thu, Jan 29, 2009 10:37:52am

re: #8 gclaghorn

Shock and awe! Islamofascists lying? Surely you jest, Charles!

/

There, now it can be used to describe Obama’s reaction when he heard the news.

[deleted] Thu, Jan 29, 2009 10:38:22am

maddogg Thu, Jan 29, 2009 10:38:29am

If someone is caught on the battlefield with ununiformed terrorists, and is not bound and gagged, it is logical to assume they are themselves terrorists and are deserving of a terrorist fate. Which is NOT an opportunity to sit in Gitmo and grow your fat ass while the enemies of America (leftards) swoon over your plight.

unreconstructed rebel Thu, Jan 29, 2009 10:38:31am

When the Cole was attacked, our Duty Democrat sent the FBI.

Who will we send next time? A community organizer?

lawhawk Thu, Jan 29, 2009 10:39:22am

re: #17 LGoPs

Well Shazaaam…..who’d a thunk.
/

Apparently not the Democrats who had been calling for Gitmo’s closure without realizing the complexity of the situation, let alone the fact that many of those held there were hardened terrorists who should not be released because they will do what others have already done - rejoin the jihad to fight.

Who among the jihadis need to carry out a Great Escape when you’ve got lawyers and leftists pushing to secure your release right out the front door. No cooler for you. You’ve got three hots and a cot. You’ve got access to the best medical care in the world and get to spend your days in sunny and agreeable weather. Obama and the left’s incessant attacks on Gitmo only serve to undermine US security, and its closure will not improve US security one iota, nor will it improve our standing in the world.

If anything, the hate that the jihadis feel towards the US will increase because they see how weak and gullible our leaders can be and they figure that it is only a matter of time before their time will come for ascendancy.

Kragar Thu, Jan 29, 2009 10:39:33am

Charles, dont suppose you coud add the word NON to the beginning of my comment 4. Otherwise it reads as completely the opposite of what I had intended.

Oh no...Sand People! Thu, Jan 29, 2009 10:39:34am

Reminds me of Michael Yons account of going in to raid a terrorists house to get him. The women were crying and the commander walked right up to her and gave her the ‘what for’. Immediately she stopped crying. All an act.

They are going to play us like fiddles if we don’t wake the hell up.

KibbyKat Thu, Jan 29, 2009 10:40:04am

re: #36 unreconstructed rebel

When the Cole was attacked, our Duty Democrat sent the FBI.

Who will we send next time? A community organizer?

Well, I do fear Acorn more than I fear the FBI.

[deleted] Thu, Jan 29, 2009 10:40:05am

BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey Thu, Jan 29, 2009 10:40:27am

re: #4 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

~~Uniformed~~ Enemy Combatants not in uniform caught fighting against the military on the battle field should be interrogated, then shot, as allowed by the Geneva Convention.

Wearing a uniform protects one from being summarily executed.

Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Jan 29, 2009 10:40:46am

re: #38 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Nah. He’ll just enjoying watching you squirm for a while. Maybe he’ll delete it. Maybe he’ll just enjoy watching the “dinging” you’re going to take.

Other than that; How are ya!?

Dustyvet Thu, Jan 29, 2009 10:40:48am

The One, Emotionally Exhausted & Morally Bankrupt,

bulwrk Thu, Jan 29, 2009 10:40:54am

re: #35 maddogg

If someone is caught on the battlefield with ununiformed terrorists, and is not bound and gagged, it is logical to assume they are themselves terrorists and are deserving of a terrorist fate.

Well then msm reporters are screwed.

Walter L. Newton Thu, Jan 29, 2009 10:40:57am

re: #32 MandyManners

Too bad we can put RFD chips in them before we release them.

Or Doritos!

Kragar Thu, Jan 29, 2009 10:41:03am

re: #41 Iron Fist

You meant Un-uniformed Combatants, but you are right. For all that kos has blathered about “mercenaries”, these are the real mercenaries. They are getting paid in spiritual coin (for the most part, anyway), but they do cash their Paycheck with Allah in the afterlife.

One imagines that that doesn’t prove to be a real good bargin they made, that “my life for 72 raisens” bullshit.

I think I did actually type ununiformed and spell check removed an UN for me.

Silhouette Thu, Jan 29, 2009 10:41:11am

Helpful hints:

If the man in detention throws feces at you, graps the arms of those feeding him and tries to break bones, gets caught time and again with homemade knives or stabbing implements, and promises to find your family on the outside and kill them, he prooooobably was NOT on his way to take help to asthmatic orphans when he was accidently mixed up on the battlefield with mindless murdering terrorists.

Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Jan 29, 2009 10:41:14am

re: #42 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

This’ll be fun to watch!

akak Thu, Jan 29, 2009 10:41:23am

Aw come on, only did as he was told.

unrealizedviewpoint Thu, Jan 29, 2009 10:41:27am

re: #32 MandyManners

Too bad we can put RFD chips in them before we release them.

Who says they haven’t? Might be the first thing done after capture.

Ringo the Gringo Thu, Jan 29, 2009 10:41:36am

Well, he was innocent when he was captured by the American imperialists and sent to the US gulag known as Gitmo.

It was the years of torture and daily waterboardings that turned him into a ~~terrorist~~ freedom fighter.

/…moonbat

Windhorse Thu, Jan 29, 2009 10:41:44am

The democrats” naivete would be funny if it weren’t so dangerous… from Nancy Pelosi and her trillion dollar boondoggle, to Barney Fwank… to dear leader the complete ignoramus…..

Ford_Prefect Thu, Jan 29, 2009 10:41:45am

Who would have imagined that Islamic terrorists might actually lie?

Go figure. /

How many more of these are out there, and how many more are about to be released? Even scarier, how many are about to enter our general prison population and start ‘converting’ some of those currently in prison. Our jails are full of people with an axe to grind against the country, all they need is a way to express their anger. Putting these terrorist in with these people will only create more terrorists that will eventually be free to walk among as citizens. I hear people talking about how much harder it would be for terrorists in our normal prison system, but I think it is more likely that they will make the prisons they are in far worse for everyone involved.

sawblade88 Thu, Jan 29, 2009 10:41:47am

We’ve been told that prisons are a training school for criminals. Now we will probably hear that Gitmo is a training school for terrrorist leadership. There might actually be some truth to that.

After all, Hamas claims to have won the recent encounter with Israel, based merely on their survival. Low standards.

Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Jan 29, 2009 10:42:34am

re: #55 sawblade88

How much quality time to the detainees get with each other?

Silhouette Thu, Jan 29, 2009 10:42:41am

re: #47 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I think I did actually type ununiformed and spell check removed an UN for me.

I wish someone would remove the UN for me.

Kragar Thu, Jan 29, 2009 10:42:41am

Sigh, its gonna be one of those day.

Walter L. Newton Thu, Jan 29, 2009 10:42:44am

re: #55 sawblade88

We’ve been told that prisons are a training school for criminals. Now we will probably hear that Gitmo is a training school for terrrorist leadership. There might actually be some truth to that.

After all, Hamas claims to have won the recent encounter with Israel, based merely on their survival. Low standards.

Er, we’ve been hearing that for years already.

subsailor68 Thu, Jan 29, 2009 10:42:49am

re: #52 Ringo the Gringo

Well, he was innocent when he was captured by the American imperialists and sent to the US gulag known as Gitmo.

It was the years of torture and daily waterboardings that turned him into a ~~terrorist~~ freedom fighter.

/…moonbat

You really didn’t even need the sarc tag on that one! The moonbat ref makes your statement both true and accurate.

;-)

maddogg Thu, Jan 29, 2009 10:43:02am

On another note: Why in the Hell did we sign the Geneva Convention? None of our enemies follow it’s guidelines. What is it good for? So we can use it as a defense against accusation of war crimes? Fat load of good it has done us.

Walter L. Newton Thu, Jan 29, 2009 10:43:31am

re: #56 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

How much quality time to the detainees get with each other?

Do you mean bumpy humpy?

Cognito Thu, Jan 29, 2009 10:44:24am

I’m puzzled that the Fox story doesn’t mention the other released inmate who has also set up came as an Al Qaeda operative in Yemen. That’s Ali al-Shiri.

He’s significant. Investigators say he likely took part in the car bombing at the US Embassy in Sanaa last year. I think ten or eleven people died, in that attack.

BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey Thu, Jan 29, 2009 10:44:44am

re: #47 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I think I did actually type ununiformed and spell check removed an UN for me.

So the spell check was uninformed about ununiformed? ;)

Killgore Trout Thu, Jan 29, 2009 10:45:30am

Here’s the video…
Former Guantanamo Prisoners Threaten Western And Arab Countries.

Liveleak Video

nyc redneck Thu, Jan 29, 2009 10:45:51am

re: #26 Walter L. Newton

But, maybe he was innocent and being in Gitmo turned him into a hardened Jihadist? Did we give him a Koran in Gitmo?

Channeling Cognito…
/

this is how o will rationalize american blood on his hands.
when the detainees return to jihad.
ultimately “our” fault.
of course.

Diamond Bullet Thu, Jan 29, 2009 10:45:55am

Now the liberals think they actually have rights just like U.S. citizens to petition to federal district courts, and can do so thanks to fleets of lawyers deployed by the “American” Civil Liberties Union. The mistake is capturing them in the first place. For Islamic terrorists, surrender is just another form of kafir-tricking temporary hudna.

oronpam Thu, Jan 29, 2009 10:45:56am

I wonder if any of the released detainees are entitled to any payments under the stimulus bill /

nevergiveup Thu, Jan 29, 2009 10:46:53am

re: #42 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Wearing a uniform protects one from being summarily executed.

Tell that to the guys at Malmedy!

BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey Thu, Jan 29, 2009 10:46:57am

re: #32 MandyManners

Too bad we can put RFD chips in them before we release them.

What’s that, a computer chip that makes you exacerbate an economic crisis to keep you & your party in power for years to come? Oh wait, that’s an FDR chip. I think Obama has one.

Kragar Thu, Jan 29, 2009 10:47:06am

re: #64 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

So the spell check was uninformed about ununiformed? ;)

I think it just didnt like the UN, which I can understand.

turn Thu, Jan 29, 2009 10:47:52am

I’ve got a simple idea how to seperate truth from lies, try waterboarding their asses.

BatGuano Thu, Jan 29, 2009 10:47:59am

If you are in a cage fight, would you fight by the Marquess of Queens berry rules? We are, and I wouldn’t.

Jimmah Thu, Jan 29, 2009 10:48:06am

He was probably a normal guy till Gitmo messed him up and put ideas in his head. Damn you Team America! /

VioletTiger Thu, Jan 29, 2009 10:48:19am

I think it is really important to keep talking about these Gitmo terrorists, who they are and what they did, so that people understand that we are not talking about innocent goat-herders here. The more informed people are the better the chance that public sentiment will change and that Obama will not release them even if he does close Gitmo.

BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey Thu, Jan 29, 2009 10:48:25am

re: #65 Killgore Trout

Here’s the video…
Former Guantanamo Prisoners Threaten Western And Arab Countries.

[Video]

There you go, using “facts” to prove your point…

tfc3rid Thu, Jan 29, 2009 10:49:36am

re: #72 turn

I’ve got a simple idea how to seperate truth from lies, try waterboarding their asses.

Torturer!

Pious Agnostic Thu, Jan 29, 2009 10:49:58am

It also shows how hard it is to separate truth from lies.

They should bring anyone they have doubts about before the president. One look into his warm, brown eyes and they’ll be babbling like a waterboarded jihadi in no time.

[deleted] Thu, Jan 29, 2009 10:50:49am

zombie Thu, Jan 29, 2009 10:51:36am

re: #31 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

But it’s not lying, is it? According to Islam? Just misleading the infidels for Allah.

Isn’t that right?

The difference is that, in our culture, there is a negative assocation with the word “lying.” It is assumed to have a bad connotation. in Arabic-Muslim culture, the concept of “not telling the truth” doesn’t have the same social condemnation. People can not tell the truth, and it is not considered “lying” — it’s just part of everyday behavior.

Travelers have noted this for centuries, even in a non-military context. You walk into a shop in the Western world, ask “How much is this lamp?” and the proprietor will say, accurately, “It’s 50 Francs” or “$79” or whatever. But go into a shop in a Arab country, ask “How much is this lamp?” and the proprietor will say, “Two thousand dinars.” If you’re a fool, you pay two thousand dinars. But the expectation is that you’re supposed to know he’s lying, and then you lie back: “All I have is five dinars in my pocket. I can give you five dinars, and no more.” Then he starts to modify his lie. “Oh, did I say two thousand dinars? I meant two hundred dinars.” And so the bargaining begins.

Muslim Arabs are famous for “bargaining,” but it’s basically just duelling lies. It’s so ingrained in their culture, it is standard bahavior that everyone expects

LGoPs Thu, Jan 29, 2009 10:52:30am

re: #37 lawhawk

Apparently not the Democrats who had been calling for Gitmo’s closure without realizing the complexity of the situation, let alone the fact that many of those held there were hardened terrorists who should not be released because they will do what others have already done - rejoin the jihad to fight.

Who among the jihadis need to carry out a Great Escape when you’ve got lawyers and leftists pushing to secure your release right out the front door. No cooler for you. You’ve got three hots and a cot. You’ve got access to the best medical care in the world and get to spend your days in sunny and agreeable weather. Obama and the left’s incessant attacks on Gitmo only serve to undermine US security, and its closure will not improve US security one iota, nor will it improve our standing in the world.

If anything, the hate that the jihadis feel towards the US will increase because they see how weak and gullible our leaders can be and they figure that it is only a matter of time before their time will come for ascendancy.

I often have great difficulty believing that these liberals actually, in their heart of hearts, believe the dangerously naive bullshit they’re spouting. I think that they must have some hidden agenda - that nobody can be this sand-poundingly stupid. Many are just useful idiots and sheep. But I think the truly hard core leftists do have an agenda - driven by an unaccountable ingratitude and hatred towards their own country.
And then I think - I’ve spent too much time trying to figure these fucktards out. Thier idiocy is going to get a lot of us killed.
I just hope that if that happens, and I pray it doesn’t, that we clean house here at home first, before going after those who attacked us.
There is such a thing as a domestic enemy - it was in the oath I swore when I joined the military.

realwest Thu, Jan 29, 2009 10:53:13am

re: #79 Iron Fist Why, you mean to tell me that they (the Gitmo detainees) could be dangerous if let loose?
Gee, ya think President Obama knows that?

jcm Thu, Jan 29, 2009 10:54:05am

Repost……

Former Guantanamo Prisoners Threaten Western And Arab Countries.

Liveleak Video

Dustyvet Thu, Jan 29, 2009 10:54:17am

A military judge in Guantanamo Bay has denied the Obama administration’s request to delay proceedings for 120 days in the case of a detainee accused of planning the October 2000 attack on the USS Cole warship, an al-Qaeda strike that killed 17 service members and injured 50 others.

The decision throws into some disarray the administration’s plan to buy time as it reviews individual detainee cases as part of its plan to close the U.S. military prison at the Guantanamo naval base in Cuba. The Pentagon may now be forced to withdraw the charges against Abd al Rahim al-Nashiri, a Saudi citizen of Yemeni descent. …

But Judge James Pohl, an Army colonel, said he found the government’s reasoning “unpersuasive.”

“The Commission is unaware of how conducting an arraignment would preclude any option by the administration,” said Pohl in a written opinion, portions of which were read to The Post. “Congress passed the military commissions act, which remains in effect. The Commission is bound by the law as it currently exists, not as it may change in the future.”

[Link: hotair.com…]

Kosh's Shadow Thu, Jan 29, 2009 10:55:30am

re: #80 zombie

We seem to not expect this haggling everywhere we should, yet expect it in the one place we don’t find it - in “negotiations” between Israel and the Palestinians. They lie, yes, when they say they will crack down on terrorism.
But there is no haggling; the price never comes down from the original price, the destruction of Israel.
It would be like the lamp seller agreed to a price of 20 dinars and then ran your credit card for 2000 anyway.

lifeofthemind Thu, Jan 29, 2009 10:56:47am

re: #80 zombie

If you do pay the tourist price without bargaining you have not only proven that you are an idiot worthy of contempt and deserving to be robbed or worse but you have insulted the merchant. What is important is establishing a human relationship based on mutual respect and trust. The only way to do that is over time and tea where you establish that you both are not a fool who believes the lies but also not a threat who confronts the lies.

[deleted] Thu, Jan 29, 2009 11:00:01am

Lee Coller Thu, Jan 29, 2009 11:01:15am

re: #4 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

[non]Uniformed Enemy Combatants caught fighting against the military on the battle field should be interrogated, then shot, as allowed by the Geneva Convention.

Actually you don’t want to do that even though it sounds tempting. It eliminates any incentive to surrender.

ssuLaLA Thu, Jan 29, 2009 11:04:48am

especially the all-German Gitmo bashing is becoming silent, now that they are being asked to accommodate those innocent bastards.

Kragar Thu, Jan 29, 2009 11:05:17am

re: #88 Lee Coller

Actually you don’t want to do that even though it sounds tempting. It eliminates any incentive to surrender.

Exterminating the enemy in the first place provides an incentive not to fight.

Plus their is a difference between accepting a surrender and capturing a terrorist in a raid.

Cicero05 Thu, Jan 29, 2009 11:11:49am

More proof that our war against terrorism only creates more terrorists.

/sarc

BatGuano Thu, Jan 29, 2009 11:13:13am

re: #88 Lee Coller

re: #90 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Lee Coller makes makes sense if you are fighting a rational enemy.

Kragar makes sense if you are fighting an irrational enemy.

I ‘m for “exterminating the enemy in the first place.”

Ringo the Gringo Thu, Jan 29, 2009 11:19:36am

re: #80 zombie

It’s so ingrained in their culture, it is standard bahavior that everyone expects

You ever read any books or stories by Paul Bowles? He lived in Morocco for nearly 50 years and one of the main themes of his writing is the differing conceptions of “truth” between Arab and Western culture. His books are quite good, especially “The Sheltering Sky”, which I highly recommend.

michaelhop Thu, Jan 29, 2009 11:19:38am

Now wait a minute, the man was asked “Are you a terrorist”. When he was asked, he was not currently engaged in terror, so it’s not a lie (W.J.Clinton vs the U. S.). If he’d be asked “Were you a terrorist”, THEN he’d have been lying.

Ladies and Gentleman, may I present….Obama the Great. Welcome now my friends to the show that (will seem like it) never ends.

mattm Thu, Jan 29, 2009 11:23:40am

Hear that Obama, they are guilty.

A Kiwi Infidel Thu, Jan 29, 2009 11:30:02am

And 95 of these lying hate-filled assholes have gone back to Yemen, right?

Oh, stupid me, they are teachers and dairy factory workers.

I still say, get all US citizens out of Yemen………..now!

FurryOldGuyJeans Thu, Jan 29, 2009 11:38:36am

Gee, and O wants to close Gitmo and release all the remaining assholes. The already released “detainees” by and large have been the low-level cannon fodder grunts. The remaining assholes were and are those that have been in positions of authority and leaders of Jihadi groups. We are supposed to believe O when he says THEY won’t return to being terrorists?

redc1c4 Thu, Jan 29, 2009 11:42:53am

“re: #42 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Wearing a uniform protects one from being summarily executed.

unless you are an American serviceman……

redc1c4 Thu, Jan 29, 2009 11:46:06am

“It also shows how hard it is to separate truth from lies.”

it’s not that hard at all…… a few minutes on the water board and presto, you have a prisoner all to happy to cooperate under interrogation.

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A Kiwi Infidel Thu, Jan 29, 2009 11:53:09am

re: #98 redc1c4

“

unless you are an American serviceman……

I’ll give you an up-ding for that, definately no sarc tag required for that truism

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aacon Thu, Jan 29, 2009 12:16:20pm

Wow, this is really hard-hitting journalism from the AP. It’s really great to see these reporters dig deep to explain the subtle nuances of the difficult “dilemmas” that Obama faces now that he carries the weighty responsibility of protecting 300 million people from fanatical, duplicitous jihadists who would kill us in a heartbeat if they had the chance. Because, after all without this kind of in-depth reporting one might get the impression that Gitmo was something only Darth Vader could support. Boy, I’m sure glad Bush never had to face these kinds of dilemmas.

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uptight Thu, Jan 29, 2009 12:59:06pm

Can someone enlighten me? Does the closure of GITMO effectively mean that the US can’t take any Taliban or Al Qaeda prisoners in the future?

If so, what are soldiers ordered to do when faced with surrendering Afghan terrorists?

Do they ignore them? shoot them? give them a holiday voucher?

If the order is “shoot on sight”, then can’t that be applied to any ex-Gitmo internee released back into the wild?

It would have worked with Abu Oufi.

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desdichado Thu, Jan 29, 2009 1:01:22pm

As someone who considers himself just a tad left of center politically (though I like guns, trucks, and country music), I must say that I thought that Obama was smart, and I voted for the guy.

I guess I thought that he was an intelligent and well-meaning person, and wouldn’t make stupid errors of judgment like this.

Now we have this Gitmo thing, and also his putting out a hand to the PLO and Iran, I’m ready to admit I am wrong.

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bravesoat Thu, Jan 29, 2009 1:33:41pm

I’m sure these misunderstood people would be working in a day care center until the imperialistic, international law violating US turned them into bitter jihadists. If we would just be more understanding ….

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nines09 Thu, Jan 29, 2009 1:33:46pm

Lies?!? What? Well how about that. Goat herder indeed. Simple humanitarian on his way to lift the human suffering from those less fortunate. Lies. Wow. I’m stunned. Excuse me, I’m going to go watch the weather channel and learn how I’m destroying the world.

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Buck Thu, Jan 29, 2009 1:49:41pm

That man suffers from a serious lack of water boarding….

Just kidding..

No I am not.

Yes I am.

No really…

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iam7545 Thu, Jan 29, 2009 1:55:36pm

How is it that while Bush was President and the MSM was screaming bloody murder about Gitmo, all of the prisoners were deemed to be innocent. Magically we now have daily reports from the MSM of how dangerous the prisoners are.

Very similar to the magical disappearance of homeless people whenever a Democrat gets elected President.

Hmmmmmmmmmmm

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NYCHardhat Thu, Jan 29, 2009 2:34:01pm

Help me, I am in hell.

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Amer-I-Can Thu, Jan 29, 2009 2:58:48pm

I’m sure that some how this is all Bushitler’s fault. It’s always Bushitler or Darth Cheney’s fault.

/sarcoff

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Caboose Thu, Jan 29, 2009 3:15:33pm

re: #103 desdichado

As someone who considers himself just a tad left of center politically (though I like guns, trucks, and country music), I must say that I thought that Obama was smart, and I voted for the guy.

I guess I thought that he was an intelligent and well-meaning person, and wouldn’t make stupid errors of judgment like this.

Now we have this Gitmo thing, and also his putting out a hand to the PLO and Iran, I’m ready to admit I am wrong.

I get the very strong feeling that you are not alone with that. I just wish that you and a couple of million others had realized that before Election Day. Not that McCain was a much better choice (Duncan Hunter supporter here), but I don’t think he would have made errors so large that they can be seen from space.

“The road to hell is paved with good intentions” and Obama is at the wheel of the paver full of steamin’-hot “good intentions”.

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Desert Storm Vet I Thu, Jan 29, 2009 3:20:38pm

This comes as no surprise. The bleeding hearts and the liberal media pleaded for this to happen and Obama, being their head cheerleader, did exactly what they wanted him to do: Close Gitmo and release the terrorists/ detainees (yuck to political correctness and appeasement to 99% of the world). Now we have these jokers back in the enemy’s camp waiting to carry out suicide attacks against us and any of our stauch allies, mainly Israel, so when the next attack occurs and we trace it back and find out it was carried out by those that were let loose from Gitmo, we all here can say in unison “I told you so!”

Bloody morons.

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Occasional Reader Thu, Jan 29, 2009 3:21:30pm

re: #103 desdichado

As someone who considers himself just a tad left of center politically (though I like guns, trucks, and country music), I must say that I thought that Obama was smart, and I voted for the guy.

I guess I thought that he was an intelligent and well-meaning person, and wouldn’t make stupid errors of judgment like this.

Now we have this Gitmo thing, and also his putting out a hand to the PLO and Iran, I’m ready to admit I am wrong.

You need to change your nickname… Porque dichoso es el hombre que pueda admitir sus errores. Good for you.

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DEZes Thu, Jan 29, 2009 3:26:14pm

“It also shows how hard it is to separate truth from lies.”

Just how stupid does a person have to be to make that comment.?

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uptight Fri, Jan 30, 2009 12:51:53am

re: #108 NYCHardhat