Ledeen: We’ve Already Done That

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Michael Ledeen is spot on: But, but … We’ve DONE All That.

There are two “stories” about Iran/U.S. relations bubbling around. One has to do with direct talks, the other with Ahmadinejad’s demand that we apologize for our many past sins.

I know this is spitting into the wind, but neither is news. There have been talks between Washington and Tehran ever since 1979 (the Revolution). EVERY president has authorized them. On the public record, there were nearly thirty such talks during the Bush years, and there are “private” channels as well. So there is nothing new in this, it is business-as-usual.

Iranian leaders have constantly demanded that we apologize, and we have. Clinton did it. Albright did it. And then, having obtained his ounce of humiliated flesh, Khamenei told them both to go to hell.

Any story about talks with Iran or apologizing to Iran should contain those historical facts. Otherwise, you can just do what most of the journalists do: Pretend the world was created fresh just before you woke up, so all that matters is how you feel about it all.

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337 comments
1 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Jan 29, 2009 10:43:11am

I am a scorpion...

2 red satellite  Thu, Jan 29, 2009 10:43:20am

same old liberal song...

3 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Jan 29, 2009 10:43:27am

But everything has been made new by the coming of The One!

/MSM

4 Honorary Yooper  Thu, Jan 29, 2009 10:43:50am

What's the definition of insanity again? Attempting the same thing over and over again while expecting a different result?

5 unreconstructed rebel  Thu, Jan 29, 2009 10:44:44am

When I was at Parris Island, our DI taught us that there are 10% who never get the word.

6 lifeofthemind  Thu, Jan 29, 2009 10:45:04am

We will kill you until you apologize. Sounds like a plan maybe we should try it.

7 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Jan 29, 2009 10:45:14am

re: #4 Honorary Yooper

What's the definition of insanity again? Attempting the same thing over and over again while expecting a different result?

It's not the clinical definition, but it is a good working definition.

8 nanook  Thu, Jan 29, 2009 10:45:47am

When the Messiah does the same thing over and over, there is Change. And unicorns.

sarcoff

9 bryantms  Thu, Jan 29, 2009 10:46:03am

Still waiting for the Twelfth Imam?

Don't hold your breath...

10 Kragar  Thu, Jan 29, 2009 10:46:08am

But this time, Obama will be the one groveling apologizing, so everything is sure to turn out right as rain.

11 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Jan 29, 2009 10:47:43am

And on the 7th day, Obama rested and it was good. And then he wakes up the next day and wonders, where did this Iran come from and then apologizes to Dinnerjacket.

12 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Jan 29, 2009 10:47:45am

re: #8 nanook

When the Messiah does the same thing over and over, there is Change. And unicorns.

sarcoff

LGF Cookbook recipe #5: BBQ Unicorn with Hopenchange Sauce.

13 Cathypop  Thu, Jan 29, 2009 10:47:53am

Betcha the O is going to give them all of our unicorns

14 Silhouette  Thu, Jan 29, 2009 10:48:36am
Clinton did it. Albright did it. And then, having obtained his ounce of humiliated flesh, Khamenei told them both to go to hell.

With a supremacy-based culture, abasing yourself never gains you respect.

15 Gusbenz  Thu, Jan 29, 2009 10:49:27am

Oh God, I'm even forgetting these things. The U.S. apologized for the coup during the Clinton years. The mass-media needs to include these facts. What Iran really pines for is the U.S. rolling over and dying.

16 turn  Thu, Jan 29, 2009 10:49:46am

"Pretend the world was created fresh just before you woke up, so all that matters is how you feel about it all."

Is he describing a liberal there or what?

17 Diamond Bullet  Thu, Jan 29, 2009 10:49:54am

When Amphaepdjojad meets Obama, which will surely happen, I wonder how big a chair he will demand to stand on. 2 feet high? 6? High enough that his shoes are at Obama's face level? Should be a good time.

18 Ford_Prefect  Thu, Jan 29, 2009 10:49:54am

re: #6 lifeofthemind

We will kill you until you apologize. Sounds like a plan maybe we should try it.

Silence! I keel you!

19 Nevergiveup  Thu, Jan 29, 2009 10:50:10am

All we've been doing is talking to the Iranians thru the EU for 8 years. I know most people haven't noticed the progress........but..........

20 pegcity  Thu, Jan 29, 2009 10:50:30am

oy,

were boned

21 debutaunt  Thu, Jan 29, 2009 10:50:58am

re: #12 Dark_Falcon

LGF Cookbook recipe #5: BBQ Unicorn with Hopenchange Sauce.

It's so nice having a cookbook with a clue by four.

22 Bubblehead II  Thu, Jan 29, 2009 10:51:00am

Any story about talks with Iran or apologizing to Iran should contain those historical facts.

What are these things you call facts?

NYT journalist

23 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Jan 29, 2009 10:51:27am

re: #17 Diamond Bullet

When Amphaepdjojad meets Obama, which will surely happen, I wonder how big a chair he will demand to stand on. 2 feet high? 6? High enough that his shoes are at Obama's face level? Should be a good time.

I think Dinnerjacket will be just a stand about half that to Obama's face. Just to make a POINT.
/

24 KibbyKat  Thu, Jan 29, 2009 10:51:34am

re: #9 bryantms

Still waiting for the Twelfth Imam?

Don't hold your breath...

Here you go. Oh, nevermind.

25 bnichols10  Thu, Jan 29, 2009 10:51:47am

This is why we are in trouble with Obama as President. I don't think he has a good understanding of history, and we know he just simply doesn't have the real-world experience to be President. He is naive and his beliefs come from small town Chicago politics which were all one sided.

Unfortunately for all of us he is going to be learning on the job and we are all going to have to pay for the mistakes he will make.

26 ThinkRight  Thu, Jan 29, 2009 10:52:10am
Iranian leaders have constantly demanded that we apologize, and we have. Clinton did it. Albright did it.


Maybe
But...
They did not apologize for the right thing
We are supposed to be sorry we live and breath
Just like Israel

27 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Thu, Jan 29, 2009 10:52:18am

re: #15 Gusbenz

Oh God, I'm even forgetting these things. The U.S. apologized for the coup during the Clinton years.

He even apologized for the Crusades, which apparently the United States was involved in.

28 pegcity  Thu, Jan 29, 2009 10:52:53am

i don't get it, what will this accomplish besides making america look like a weak paper tiger?

or is that Obama's intention?

29 MandyManners  Thu, Jan 29, 2009 10:53:18am

re: #17 Diamond Bullet

When Amphaepdjojad meets Obama, which will surely happen, I wonder how big a chair he will demand to stand on. 2 feet high? 6? High enough that his shoes are at Obama's face level? Should be a good time.

Image: Only%20a%20Bit%20Short.jpg

30 pegcity  Thu, Jan 29, 2009 10:53:18am

re: #27 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

time machines?

31 Elcid  Thu, Jan 29, 2009 10:53:40am

Have no fear, the big O will plant one right on their cheeks. You see, outside of secular Turkey, (are they better the Butterball®?) that does do a lot of backdooring for the U.S., Barack Hussein Obama has the best working knowledge of Islam.

32 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Jan 29, 2009 10:53:45am

re: #21 debutaunt

It's so nice having a cookbook with a clue by four.

Yes, it is.

33 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Jan 29, 2009 10:53:47am

re: #25 bnichols10

This is why we are in trouble with Obama as President. I don't think he has a good understanding of history, and we know he just simply doesn't have the real-world experience to be President. He is naive and his beliefs come from small town Chicago politics which were all one sided.

Unfortunately for all of us he is going to be learning on the job and we are all going to have to pay for the mistakes he will make.

He's, in the least, a Marxist. He know history. This is like saying he doesn't know what's he's doing. Bullshit, he know just waht he is doing.

Why is it so hard to believe that he has a well defined agenda. Let's give him credit where credit is due.

34 Cato the Elder  Thu, Jan 29, 2009 10:53:57am

Thoroughly OT, but you might like it anyway...

My sister sent me this today.

It's from Oprah, so if you don't like her and the kind of stories that are called "inspirational", scroll right on by.

If, on the other hand, you'd like to see a short video about a truly amazing dog named Faith, here it is.

35 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Jan 29, 2009 10:54:15am

re: #28 pegcity

i don't get it, what will this accomplish besides making america look like a weak paper tiger? or is that Obama's intention?

Of course it is.

36 Randall Gross  Thu, Jan 29, 2009 10:54:32am

spot f'ing on Mr. Ledeen

37 Nevergiveup  Thu, Jan 29, 2009 10:54:39am

re: #25 bnichols10

This is why we are in trouble with Obama as President. I don't think he has a good understanding of history, and we know he just simply doesn't have the real-world experience to be President. He is naive and his beliefs come from small town Chicago politics which were all one sided.

Unfortunately for all of us he is going to be learning on the job and we are all going to have to pay for the mistakes he will make.

He has that Hawaii experience also. I think one of his relatives was at that new Radar thingy in 1941. He was the on who said, nah forget it, their just those B-17s flying in from the coast.

38 subsailor68  Thu, Jan 29, 2009 10:54:44am

OT, but related in the sense that it relates to our topics and discussions here at LGF:

Citing Obama Opposition, McDowell Warns Against Fairness Doctrine

McDowell is the FCC commissioner, and the article includes this:

McDowell also said that efforts to reimpose the doctrine could stretch to cable, satellite, and even the Internet. "Certain legal commentators have suggested that a new corollary of the Doctrine should be fashioned for the Internet, on the theory that web surfers should be exposed to topics and views that they have not chosen for themselves," adding: "I am not making this up."

39 Cognito  Thu, Jan 29, 2009 10:54:48am

Ledeen has dabbled in wackiness before, so I always read his stuff with at least a smidge of skepticism, but he's right on here. There's nothing new under the sun, when it comes to Iran.

40 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Jan 29, 2009 10:54:53am

re: #31 Elcid

Have no fear, the big O will plant one right on their cheeks. You see, outside of secular Turkey, (are they better the Butterball®?) that does do a lot of backdooring for to the U.S., Barack Hussein Obama has the best working knowledge of Islam.

Fixed. Turkey is becoming less secular by the day.

41 realwest  Thu, Jan 29, 2009 10:54:56am

I'm beginning to think that "journalism school" folks don't have to take ANY history classes at all.

42 debutaunt  Thu, Jan 29, 2009 10:55:34am

re: #32 Dark_Falcon

Yes, it is.

The Fat Bastard wine is pretty clever.

43 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Jan 29, 2009 10:55:44am

re: #39 Cognito

Ledeen has dabbled in wackiness before, so I always read his stuff with at least a smidge of skepticism, but he's right on here. There's nothing new under the sun, when it comes to Iran.

VINTAGE COGNITO. Almost deserves an up ding for being so, I don't know, consistent.

44 SasquatchOnSteroids  Thu, Jan 29, 2009 10:55:50am

re: #17 Diamond Bullet

When Amphaepdjojad meets Obama, which will surely happen, I wonder how big a chair he will demand to stand on. 2 feet high? 6? High enough that his shoes are at Obama's face level? Should be a good time.

Short Shit meets Full of Shit

45 joncelli  Thu, Jan 29, 2009 10:55:51am

re: #9 bryantms

But Obama IS the twelfth imam! And a unicorn! And a faerie! He's an imamacornifaerie! And you'd better bow down to him you wingnuts!

/////

46 Silhouette  Thu, Jan 29, 2009 10:55:52am

This reminds me of Sheryl Crow, whose plan for world peace was not to have enemies.

As if this was one of the choices on the menu.

It is like talking to 3-yr-olds. "Why don't we just talk to them?"

Um, because we've been talking for 1400 years, we know what they want, we know exactly how much they'll bargain, we know what works with them, and what doesn't. And we're working forward from that knowledge. You want to ignore past experience because you feel like those answers have to be wrong.

47 Shr_Nfr  Thu, Jan 29, 2009 10:55:54am

It shows the complete lack of comprehension as to the nature of the culture in the area, both on the part of the public and on the part of our government. "Face" and "Honor" are pivotal in some societies. To get your opponent to "apologize" is to make them admit defeat in their eyes. Such a society only respects one thing, and that one thing is raw force. But don't tell the senile "flower generation", they have made up their minds, such as they have them, a long time ago. Ignorance on a topic is frequent, you can rectify that by learning. Stupidity on a topic is unforgivable, it means that you have refused to learn.

48 nyc redneck  Thu, Jan 29, 2009 10:55:55am

it is the same old story line w/ liberals, socialists, commies.
they all think they can try it one more time, their way and make it work.
hope springs eternal for their doomed scheme because of ignorance and greed.

49 JohnSteele  Thu, Jan 29, 2009 10:56:02am

Ledeen is simply wrong.

We could never done any of these things because The Obama™ hasn't been president until now; there is nothing before The Obama™, there will be nothing after The Obama™. The Obama™ is the one true Alpha and Omega.

50 Cato the Elder  Thu, Jan 29, 2009 10:56:05am

Oh, and once again, the whole notion of "talks without preconditions" is a non-starter, because Dinnerjacket has set preconditions of his own. Like we have to leave the Middle East entirely and give up supporting Israel.

Not gonna happen.

51 bulwrk  Thu, Jan 29, 2009 10:56:10am

re: #27 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

He even apologized for the Crusades, which apparently the United States was involved in.

We did have Crusader Rabbit.

52 unreconstructed rebel  Thu, Jan 29, 2009 10:56:14am

re: #27 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

He even apologized for the Crusades, which apparently the United States was involved in.

Ahh, for the good old days. Where's a good Fighting Order when you need one?

53 LGoPs  Thu, Jan 29, 2009 10:56:33am

re: #5 unreconstructed rebel

When I was at Parris Island, our DI taught us that there are 10% who never get the word.

And that 10% is now in charge of this country.......
/

54 nanook  Thu, Jan 29, 2009 10:56:34am

re: #12 Dark_Falcon

LGF Cookbook recipe #5: BBQ Unicorn with Hopenchange Sauce.

With sprinkles? (I Hope)

55 pegcity  Thu, Jan 29, 2009 10:56:38am

re: #46 Silhouette

she also suggested we use only one piece of toilet paper.

im pretty sure she wipes her ass with 100 dollars bills

56 jcm  Thu, Jan 29, 2009 10:57:09am

Broken Record Time.

A state of War has existed between Iran and the United States since Nov. 4, 1979.

Only one side has figured that out.

AND IT AIN'T US!

57 unreconstructed rebel  Thu, Jan 29, 2009 10:57:19am

re: #53 LGoPs

And that 10% is now in charge of this country.......
/

Why the sarc tag? ;-)

58 Nevergiveup  Thu, Jan 29, 2009 10:57:26am

re: #53 LGoPs

And that 10% is now in charge of this country.......
/

Why the sarcasm thingy. Sounds right on to me.

59 MandyManners  Thu, Jan 29, 2009 10:57:35am

re: #25 bnichols10

This is why we are in trouble with Obama as President. I don't think he has a good understanding of history, and we know he just simply doesn't have the real-world experience to be President. He is naive and his beliefs come from small town Chicago politics which were all one sided.

Unfortunately for all of us he is going to be learning on the job and we are all going to have to pay for the mistakes he will make.

Horsefeathers. He told us what he planned to do while he was running, and now he's doing it. He knows EXACTLY what he's doing.

60 Shr_Nfr  Thu, Jan 29, 2009 10:57:44am

re: #38 subsailor68

ACK! Does that mean when I punch up LGF I will get forced to view Kos and the Huff'n Puff first?

61 nanook  Thu, Jan 29, 2009 10:59:01am

re: #51 bulwrk

We did have Crusader Rabbit.

And Rags! Every eeeeevil Crusader needs a squire!

62 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Jan 29, 2009 10:59:10am

re: #52 unreconstructed rebel

Ahh, for the good old days. Where's a good Fighting Order when you need one?

The Templars were full of fight but as dim as 6 feet up a unicorn's butt. They always attacked and wanted to advance, even in situations like Hattin where the Crusaders might have won with a more cautious approach to the battle.

63 subsailor68  Thu, Jan 29, 2009 10:59:21am

re: #60 Shr_Nfr

ACK! Does that mean when I punch up LGF I will get forced to view Kos and the Huff'n Puff first?

Interesting question (tongue in cheek or not). I'd suppose that it could lead to a rule forcing Charles to allow anyone to register and post, prohibit him from banning or deleting posts, or shut down.

I hate this with all my heart.

64 opinionated  Thu, Jan 29, 2009 10:59:21am

Talking to Iran is going to be absolutely different with Obama.

The change? It will all be to a rhyming rap beat.

65 LGoPs  Thu, Jan 29, 2009 11:00:21am

re: #46 Silhouette

This reminds me of Sheryl Crow, whose plan for world peace was not to have enemies.

As if this was one of the choices on the menu.

It is like talking to 3-yr-olds. "Why don't we just talk to them?"

Um, because we've been talking for 1400 years, we know what they want, we know exactly how much they'll bargain, we know what works with them, and what doesn't. And we're working forward from that knowledge. You want to ignore past experience because you feel like those answers have to be wrong.

Talking to 3 year olds sums it up. I am convinced that liberals are victims of arrested cognitive development at the 3 to 5 year old stage.
Physically of course, they're mature and can use big words but their concepts are right in line with a child's. And that's also why it doesn't do any good talking to them...they'll just have a tantrum if you contradict them.

66 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Jan 29, 2009 11:00:30am

re: #64 opinionated

Not fair. Haven't heard him rap at all. He's as white and un-rhythmy as I am.

67 Cognito  Thu, Jan 29, 2009 11:00:36am

re: #43 Walter L. Newton

Whatever, my man.

I suspect you're just frustrated because on this particular thread I commented before you could invent something for me to "say" once again. And once again get it exactly wrong, of course.

68 lifeofthemind  Thu, Jan 29, 2009 11:00:45am

re: #60 Shr_Nfr

ACK! Does that mean when I punch up LGF I will get forced to view Kos and the Huff'n Puff first?

What it means is that the same friends of Obama who did such a sterling job of guarding Jack Ryan's divorce records will be controlling a data base tracking everything you do on the internet.

69 jcm  Thu, Jan 29, 2009 11:01:05am

re: #40 Dark_Falcon

Fixed. Turkey is becoming less secular by the day.

The Next 100 Years: A Forecast for the 21st Century by George Friedman, chief intelligence officer and founder of Strategic Forecasting, Inc. (Stratfor).

He predicts Turkey will become the predominate Islamic power. It has the westernized economy and military to become that. That's good and bad, they look to the west currently it depends on how "Islamic" they become.

70 Honorary Yooper  Thu, Jan 29, 2009 11:01:24am

re: #60 Shr_Nfr

ACK! Does that mean when I punch up LGF I will get forced to view Kos and the Huff'n Puff first?

I don't see how they can enforce that on the internet.

71 Bubblehead II  Thu, Jan 29, 2009 11:01:31am

re: #12 Dark_Falcon

LGF Cookbook recipe #5: BBQ Unicorn with Hopenchange Sauce.

Speaking of the Cookbook, reine.de.tout asked that this post be brought to the attention of the day shift crew.

Status update on the Cookbook and the cover art.

Mandy looks quite fetching with her pearl necklace.

72 unreconstructed rebel  Thu, Jan 29, 2009 11:01:38am

re: #38 subsailor68

.... on the theory that web surfers should be ...


That is a terrifying idea. 1984 anyone?

73 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Jan 29, 2009 11:01:41am

re: #59 MandyManners

Horsefeathers. He told us what he planned to do while he was running, and now he's doing it. He knows EXACTLY what he's doing.

I made the same sort of comment above. It drives me silly when anyone has to add qualifiers to plain simple facts.

74 Nevergiveup  Thu, Jan 29, 2009 11:01:54am

re: #69 jcm

The Next 100 Years: A Forecast for the 21st Century by George Friedman, chief intelligence officer and founder of Strategic Forecasting, Inc. (Stratfor).

He predicts Turkey will become the predominate Islamic power. It has the westernized economy and military to become that. That's good and bad, they look to the west currently it depends on how "Islamic" they become.

Any good news today?

75 Randall Gross  Thu, Jan 29, 2009 11:02:01am

You can bet that Dinnerjacket will play this up to maximum positive effect for him in the upcoming Iranian elections. {yes, I know the elections don't matter because the mullahs vette all candidates, but they do matter to the 'jacket}

76 MandyManners  Thu, Jan 29, 2009 11:02:08am

re: #38 subsailor68

OT, but related in the sense that it relates to our topics and discussions here at LGF:

Citing Obama Opposition, McDowell Warns Against Fairness Doctrine

McDowell is the FCC commissioner, and the article includes this:

McDowell also said that efforts to reimpose the doctrine could stretch to cable, satellite, and even the Internet. "Certain legal commentators have suggested that a new corollary of the Doctrine should be fashioned for the Internet, on the theory that web surfers should be exposed to topics and views that they have not chosen for themselves," adding: "I am not making this up."

Not only no but, fuck no.

77 unreconstructed rebel  Thu, Jan 29, 2009 11:02:08am

re: #62 Dark_Falcon

The Templars were full of fight but as dim as 6 feet up a unicorn's butt. They always attacked and wanted to advance, even in situations like Hattin where the Crusaders might have won with a more cautious approach to the battle.

So?

78 realwest  Thu, Jan 29, 2009 11:02:18am

re: #56 jcm
Spot on my friend! And it's been a truly bi-partisan ignorance of the State of War: Reagan, Bush I, Clinton, Bush II, Obama.
This is truly shameful.

79 WriterMom  Thu, Jan 29, 2009 11:02:29am

They don't need another stinking apology. The need to be beaten down. Unless, Obama will FINALLY just apologize that we exist and breathe and offer to commit suicide and take Israel with him. That might fix everything.

/

80 subsailor68  Thu, Jan 29, 2009 11:02:51am

re: #70 Honorary Yooper

I don't see how they can enforce that on the internet.

Hm...perhaps by using stimulus funds to hire thousands of people to monitor sites from a list provided by the administration?

(not sure if I'm being sarcastic or not)

81 logboy  Thu, Jan 29, 2009 11:02:52am

Talking to Ahmadinejad is like talking to my dog. It may look like he cares what you're saying, but all he's really doing is waiting to see if you'll give him a treat before shitting on your lawn and pissing on your car tires.

82 bnichols10  Thu, Jan 29, 2009 11:02:57am

re: #33 Walter L. Newton

True, but even a Marxist doesn't want to have the place where they live destroyed by others. He may believe that the government should control everything because that's what he was brought up believing, but talking with Iran shows more of a hippie peace-love mentality than anything else. I really think that he believes that as long as we are nice to Iran, etc.. that they will leave us alone and we will live in peace (blame America first). Unfortunately I think most LGF readers understand the ideology that drives countries like Iran better than most of the people in Washington.

83 MandyManners  Thu, Jan 29, 2009 11:03:16am

re: #73 Walter L. Newton

I made the same sort of comment above. It drives me silly when anyone has to add qualifiers to plain simple facts.

The nonsense that he is naive or doesn't know what he's doing drives me mad.

84 LGoPs  Thu, Jan 29, 2009 11:03:24am

re: #57 unreconstructed rebel

Why the sarc tag? ;-)

and Nevergiveup

Why the sarcasm thingy. Sounds right on to me.


You're both absolutely correct.

BTW - I don't know how to do a reply to more than one commenter......sorry Nevergiveup

85 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Jan 29, 2009 11:03:37am

re: #67 Cognito

Whatever, my man.

I suspect you're just frustrated because on this particular thread I commented before you could invent something for me to "say" once again. And once again get it exactly wrong, of course.

You know, you don't know how to have a good time. Why don't you sit back and watch how FVB and I tit for tat sometimes. Maybe you will catch on.

But, really good retort.

(typical Cognito :)

86 subsailor68  Thu, Jan 29, 2009 11:03:37am

re: #76 MandyManners

Not only no but, fuck no.

Ma'am, I sure do like your style. Yes'm I surely do.

87 DisturbedEma  Thu, Jan 29, 2009 11:04:01am

re: #1 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I am a scorpion...


Still one of my favorite stories. . .

88 Macker  Thu, Jan 29, 2009 11:04:01am

re: #4 Honorary Yooper

What's the definition of insanity again? Attempting the same thing over and over again while expecting a different result?

Thy name is Demo☭rat.

89 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Jan 29, 2009 11:04:04am

re: #54 nanook

With sprinkles? (I Hope)

No the sprinkles are for the dessert book. Planning recipes:

1. Half-Baked ideas, ala DNC.
2. Unity Ice Cream with hopey sprikles, ala BHO.
3. Sweet, sweet, troll booting, ala Stinky.

Have to head to work in a minute. More tonight.

90 Dustyvet  Thu, Jan 29, 2009 11:04:28am

Students Forced to Pledge Allegiance to the Obamessiah…

All hail our dark overlord and master:


Pledge of Allegiance Becomes Pledge to Obama

By Alan Gray, NewsBlaze

A parent in the Clark County School District of Las Vegas, Henderson area reported today that his son, who is in 1st grade, came home yesterday saying that he didn’t want to go back to school anymore.

When asked why, the boy said that during the Pledge of Allegiance the teacher put up a large image of Obama next to the flag.

Thinking that the boy might be exaggerating, the man asked his son if he was sure, and suggested that by “large” he might mean an 8×10 photo of the president. The boy apparently said “No, it is a large picture of Obama and when we are done, the teacher turns off the image.”

The same thing was not done for President Bush last year.

After investigating this morning, the other parent reported that what the boy said was true.

At least three of the five classrooms have an overhead projector and as the children stand to recite the Pledge of Allegiance, the teacher turns on the classroom overhead and a full body image of Obama, with six U.S. flags behind him, comes up about 4 feet away from the flag that hangs on the wall. The screen is apparently around five feet by six feet.

In the image, President Obama appears to be staring straight out with no facial expression, just a serious look. All of the kids in each class faced the President, instead of the flag that hangs in the corner.

Local parents are up in arms over this situation. Teachers clearly do not realize the gravity of what they are doing.

91 WriterMom  Thu, Jan 29, 2009 11:04:36am

re: #83 MandyManners

Not naive, calculated, cunning and quite hopelessly not up for the job. He'll make a fine mess, and some serious life-threatening and life-altering fuck ups before he is tamed.

92 Elcid  Thu, Jan 29, 2009 11:04:42am

re: #40 Dark_Falcon

Thanks. Knew something was wrong, couldn't put my finger on it...lol

93 Haole  Thu, Jan 29, 2009 11:04:49am

Yeah, But have we talked to them looking down our nose. He seems to be really good at that.

"look akmadinnajahadi, I won, I'm gonna have to trump you on that"

94 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Jan 29, 2009 11:04:58am

re: #85 Walter L. Newton

You know, you don't know how to have a good time. Why don't you sit back and watch how FVB and I tit for tat sometimes. Maybe you will catch on.

But, really good retort.

(typical Cognito :)

You son of a bitch!

95 nyc redneck  Thu, Jan 29, 2009 11:04:58am

re: #79 WriterMom

They don't need another stinking apology. The need to be beaten down. Unless, Obama will FINALLY just apologize that we exist and breathe and offer to commit suicide and take Israel with him. That might fix everything.

/

i don't think even then, their blood lust will be satisfied.
they will turn on each other.
there is no pacifying the death cult.

96 jcm  Thu, Jan 29, 2009 11:05:08am

re: #38 subsailor68

OT, but related in the sense that it relates to our topics and discussions here at LGF:

Citing Obama Opposition, McDowell Warns Against Fairness Doctrine

McDowell is the FCC commissioner, and the article includes this:

McDowell also said that efforts to reimpose the doctrine could stretch to cable, satellite, and even the Internet. "Certain legal commentators have suggested that a new corollary of the Doctrine should be fashioned for the Internet, on the theory that web surfers should be exposed to topics and views that they have not chosen for themselves," adding: "I am not making this up."

....should be exposed to topics and views that they have not chosen for themselves,....

I've heard that a stay at a nice camp, where can undergo physical deprivation to focus the mind work really well to accomplish that goal.

97 unreconstructed rebel  Thu, Jan 29, 2009 11:05:09am

re: #84 LGoPs

My experience is you can hit reply for more than one post at a time. Don't know if that is best way, but seems to work.

98 bnichols10  Thu, Jan 29, 2009 11:05:11am

re: #59 MandyManners

I agree with you - he did tell us and he is doing it. The problem is that he really believes in what he is doing. History has shown that government control of the market does not work and appeasing terrorists also does not work. I'm not agreeing with his approach at all, but he thinks it will work and we will have to pay when America figures this out the hard way.

99 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Jan 29, 2009 11:05:47am

re: #77 unreconstructed rebel

So?

Just saying, that's all.

100 WriterMom  Thu, Jan 29, 2009 11:05:58am

re: #95 nyc redneck

For sure. They are very into fratricide-when there are no Jews or other western infidels around.

101 Cognito  Thu, Jan 29, 2009 11:06:01am

re: #75 Thanos

You can bet that Dinnerjacket will play this up to maximum positive effect for him in the upcoming Iranian elections. {yes, I know the elections don't matter because the mullahs vette all candidates, but they do matter to the 'jacket}

Play up which particular aspect?

I'm hoping that, for all the possible downsides of an Obama presidency, that one possible upside is a turning of the popular opinion in Iran against Ahmadinejad. My understanding of what many young people in Iran think -- and I'll acknowledge that's a shaky understanding -- is that they like Obama. And so when Ahmadinejad keeps up his angry antics, it'll spell political doom for him.

But then again, I'd have thought the pinch of international political and financial pain would have done the same. So who knows.

102 WriterMom  Thu, Jan 29, 2009 11:06:30am

re: #95 nyc redneck

there is no pacifying the death cult.

A gazillion, million bazillion updings.

Ireedemable culture.

103 Cathypop  Thu, Jan 29, 2009 11:07:05am

re: #38 subsailor68

OT, but related in the sense that it relates to our topics and discussions here at LGF:

Citing Obama Opposition, McDowell Warns Against Fairness Doctrine

McDowell is the FCC commissioner, and the article includes this:

McDowell also said that efforts to reimpose the doctrine could stretch to cable, satellite, and even the Internet. "Certain legal commentators have suggested that a new corollary of the Doctrine should be fashioned for the Internet, on the theory that web surfers should be exposed to topics and views that they have not chosen for themselves," adding: "I am not making this up."


That is going way too far. I will chose for myself what I want to see or be exposed to. Dam Them!

104 subsailor68  Thu, Jan 29, 2009 11:07:21am

re: #96 jcm

....should be exposed to topics and views that they have not chosen for themselves,....

I've heard that a stay at a nice camp, where can undergo physical deprivation to focus the mind work really well to accomplish that goal.

Yeah, but it may not even be necessary. Did you see Dustyvet's post at #90 Dustyvet

105 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Jan 29, 2009 11:07:30am

Walter...I thought it was only me. I feel...so...so... cheated upon!

106 DisturbedEma  Thu, Jan 29, 2009 11:07:32am

re: #67 Cognito

Whatever, my man.

I suspect you're just frustrated because on this particular thread I commented before you could invent something for me to "say" once again. And once again get it exactly wrong, of course.

The intellectually hampered Vapid Proclaimer STRIKES with his vicious "whatever!"


**running in mock terror from this putz**

107 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Jan 29, 2009 11:07:32am

re: #83 MandyManners

The nonsense that he is naive or doesn't know what he's doing drives me mad.

IMHO, it's all that huggy-touchy-feely give everyone a chance type mentality that has been fostered for so many years now.

I don't give hardly anyone the benefit of the doubt. If they say something, do something, promise something, I take them at their word.

It's their problem to explain it to me if the fuck up.

108 Opinionated  Thu, Jan 29, 2009 11:07:38am

re: #66 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Not fair. Haven't heard him rap at all. He's as white and un-rhythmy as I am.

Obama's policy toward Iran - ludicrous

Obama's chief negotiator - Ludacris

109 debutaunt  Thu, Jan 29, 2009 11:07:54am

re: #95 nyc redneck

i don't think even then, their blood lust will be satisfied.
they will turn on each other.
there is no pacifying the death cult.

Don't taunt the happy death cult.

110 Cognito  Thu, Jan 29, 2009 11:08:02am

re: #85 Walter L. Newton

I have a grand time. And I'm a big fan of tits and tats.

Just go after the words I actually write, instead of inventing them. It's more fun that way.

111 PeaceAtAllCosts  Thu, Jan 29, 2009 11:08:12am

I am so sick of American Jews who support Obama and his credo of molly coddling Israel/Jew haters.

This new administration is going to appease and come to surrend to Iran;s thugs...Grrrrrrrr

112 Haole  Thu, Jan 29, 2009 11:08:23am

All that history is well and good. But have the Iranians ever met a President that can walk though windows?

/

113 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Jan 29, 2009 11:08:25am

re: #110 Cognito

You son of a bitch!

114 jcm  Thu, Jan 29, 2009 11:08:28am

re: #104 subsailor68

Yeah, but it may not even be necessary. Did you see Dustyvet's post at #90 Dustyvet

GAH!

115 Macker  Thu, Jan 29, 2009 11:08:32am

re: #101 Cognito

Play up which particular aspect?

I'm hoping that, for all the possible downsides of an Obama presidency, that one possible upside is a turning of the popular opinion in Iran against Ahmadinejad. My understanding of what many young people in Iran think -- and I'll acknowledge that's a shaky understanding -- is that they like Obama. And so when Ahmadinejad keeps up his angry antics, it'll spell political doom for him.

But then again, I'd have thought the pinch of international political and financial pain would have done the same. So who knows.

And if that's the case, I hope they don't lose their country. Literally.

116 WriterMom  Thu, Jan 29, 2009 11:08:41am

re: #101 Cognito

I don't think Obama's embrace of Ahmedinejad will make or break the student/young people's political will or direction. I think if, instead-Obama directly engaged and encouraged the pro-democracy forces in Iran, instead of their terrorist thug midget leader, the effects would be more immediate and promising.

117 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Jan 29, 2009 11:08:48am

re: #94 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

You son of a bitch!

Shit, that's where my tail comes from!. Thanks for the info. Now, you explain your fucking horns?
/

118 Nevergiveup  Thu, Jan 29, 2009 11:09:14am

re: #112 Haole

All that history is well and good. But have the Iranians ever met a President that can walk though windows?

/

He didn't quite make it?

119 Cognito  Thu, Jan 29, 2009 11:09:37am

re: #113 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

You son of a bitch!

Dad?

120 subsailor68  Thu, Jan 29, 2009 11:09:43am

re: #117 Walter L. Newton

Shit, that's where my tail comes from!. Thanks for the info. Now, you explain your fucking horns?
/

Wow! I thought you guys liked each other.

;-)

121 MandyManners  Thu, Jan 29, 2009 11:09:49am

re: #86 subsailor68

I don't know why but, the FD scares me more than CBBHO talking to ShortShit, more than the massive transfer of wealth going on right now.

It's the infantilization of America, a belief that we don't know what's good for us, that we need to have our hands held, that we need to be educated according to the standards of a bunch of fucking Fascist/Commie bastards.

I am trembling with rage. Might be a good time to step back from the computer.

122 Randall Gross  Thu, Jan 29, 2009 11:09:58am

re: #101 Cognito

Play up which particular aspect?

I'm hoping that, for all the possible downsides of an Obama presidency, that one possible upside is a turning of the popular opinion in Iran against Ahmadinejad. My understanding of what many young people in Iran think -- and I'll acknowledge that's a shaky understanding -- is that they like Obama. And so when Ahmadinejad keeps up his angry antics, it'll spell political doom for him.

But then again, I'd have thought the pinch of international political and financial pain would have done the same. So who knows.

Like all politicos he will play up the proper aspect in the proper quarters. To the hardliners he will point out how he made the new US President bow and scrape, in moderate quarters he will say "See? We are working with the US and softening stance"

123 Nevergiveup  Thu, Jan 29, 2009 11:10:02am

re: #117 Walter L. Newton

Shit, that's where my tail comes from!. Thanks for the info. Now, you explain your fucking horns?
/

He's Jewish?

124 WriterMom  Thu, Jan 29, 2009 11:10:04am

re: #119 Cognito

LOL.

That was funny.

125 DisturbedEma  Thu, Jan 29, 2009 11:10:17am

re: #95 nyc redneck

i don't think even then, their blood lust will be satisfied.
they will turn on each other.
there is no pacifying the death cult.

And living to tell about it. . .

126 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Jan 29, 2009 11:10:22am

re: #105 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Walter...I thought it was only me. I feel...so...so... cheated upon!

I bet that's the last time you put your faith in an ex-Jehovah's Witness?

127 formercorpsman  Thu, Jan 29, 2009 11:10:54am

re: #25 bnichols10

You are correct, he is trouble.

Realize, this guy is connected. He first real stump speech was in Berlin. He is rubbing elbows with his cousin Odinga. Dirty money, half way around the world is helping him purchase empty lots adjoining his home in Chicago.

He cavorts with George Soros. He has acquaintances from college illegally collecting Iraq reconstruction funds, (mind you, for a war he claims to be against) in an effort to rebuild energy grids in Iraq, only to be busted for fraud.

Nothing about this guy is small town. Ignorant perhaps to seeing things outside of his own myopic world view, yes.

128 subsailor68  Thu, Jan 29, 2009 11:10:55am

re: #121 MandyManners

I don't know why but, the FD scares me more than CBBHO talking to ShortShit, more than the massive transfer of wealth going on right now.

It's the infantilization of America, a belief that we don't know what's good for us, that we need to have our hands held, that we need to be educated according to the standards of a bunch of fucking Fascist/Commie bastards.

I am trembling with rage. Might be a good time to step back from the computer.

Please never step back. Honest rage is not only understandable, but necessary.

129 debutaunt  Thu, Jan 29, 2009 11:11:01am

re: #121 MandyManners

Rage is the rational response.

130 MandyManners  Thu, Jan 29, 2009 11:11:02am

re: #90 Dustyvet

Now I KNOW I need to step back from the computer.

131 Lee Coller  Thu, Jan 29, 2009 11:11:25am

re: #55 pegcity

she also suggested we use only one piece of toilet paper.

im pretty sure she wipes her ass with 100 dollars bills

No, she probably has domestic help that does it for her.

132 realwest  Thu, Jan 29, 2009 11:11:52am

re: #38 subsailor68
Hey, I feel for you, I do. You put up a link titled:
Citing Obama Opposition, McDowell Warns Against Fairness Doctrine
and the story you linked to is how McDowell - a member of the FCC commission says NO to the Fairness Doctrine and that Obama agrees with NO to the Fairness Doctrine.

In the speech, McDowell cited candidate Barack Obama's statement to B&C--through an aide--that he did not support the doctrine, adding that the new administration has a terrific opportunity to enunciate its strong opposition to anything resembling the fairness doctrine.
He spoke at length about the doctrine's origins and its use by both Democrats and Republicans against their opponents. He said he did not know whether recent calls for its return would bear fruit, felt it was a good time to talk to his audience--of media executives, lobbyists, journalists and others--about its creation, its historical abuses, and the legal difficulties involved with restoring it and trying to enforce it.
McDowell warned that if the doctrine were revived, it might not "wear the same label. That's just Marketing 101: if your brand is controversial, make a new brand," he told his audience.
He suggested the doctrine could be woven into the fabric of policy initiatives with names like localism, diversity or network neutrality. "According to some, the premise of any of these initiatives is similar to the philosophical underpinnings of the Doctrine: the government must keep electronic conduits of information viewpoint neutral," he said.
McDowell suggested that a stealth version of the doctrine may already be teed up at the FCC in the form of community advisory boards to help determine local programming. McDowell says he is fine with those boards if they are voluntary--some stations already seek such input. But that if they are required, as the FCC has proposed, "Would not such a policy be akin to re-imposition of the Doctrine, albeit under a different name and sales pitch?"
McDowell also said that efforts to reimpose the doctrine could stretch to cable, satellite, and even the Internet. "Certain legal commentators have suggested that a new corollary of the Doctrine should be fashioned for the Internet, on the theory that web surfers should be exposed to topics and views that they have not chosen for themselves," adding: "I am not making this up."
In a move obviously calculated to strike fear into the hearts of regulatory-minded Democrats, the same ones who have meen making noises about liking the fairness doctrine when it comes to reining in talk radio critics, McDowell had this:
"Actually, in a string of media cases stretching back over more than 20 years, various judges on the D.C. Circuit - both Democratic and Republican appointees - have suggested that it is time for the Supreme Court to rethink the concept of spectrum scarcity as a justification for limiting broadcasters' First Amendment rights. A revived Doctrine would provide a big, bright bulls-eye for those who wish to make that happen. That development would have implications far beyond the Doctrine itself. Much of our content regulation of broadcasters - including most of the FCC's existing localism rules and the regulations requiring three hours a week of children's programming - rest on the spectrum scarcity rationale. If that rationale is invalidated, serious legal challenges to all those other content rules may follow."
McDowell said he was hopeful that the Obama administration understood all this.


Sorry some folks didn't bother to read your link, it was a good one.

133 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Jan 29, 2009 11:11:57am

re: #123 Nevergiveup

He's Jewish?

That was funnier. LOL.

134 Ford_Prefect  Thu, Jan 29, 2009 11:12:03am

re: #126 Walter L. Newton

I bet that's the last time you put your faith in an ex-Jehovah's Witness?

So does an ex-Jehovah's Witness have to go into an ex-Jehovah's Witness Protection Program?

135 Cognito  Thu, Jan 29, 2009 11:12:03am

re: #116 WriterMom

I don't think Obama's embrace of Ahmedinejad will make or break the student/young people's political will or direction. I think if, instead-Obama directly engaged and encouraged the pro-democracy forces in Iran, instead of their terrorist thug midget leader, the effects would be more immediate and promising.

Oh, yes, all my opinions are based on the assumption that our government is working around to the clock to foment and support democracy in the dark, there. I can't imagine otherwise.

136 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Jan 29, 2009 11:12:07am

re: #126 Walter L. Newton

I bet that's the last time you put your faith in an ex-Jehovah's Witness?

On Saturday mornings at my house, a chalk outline of a person on my front stoop with Watchtower magazines strewn about keeps them at bay.

137 jcm  Thu, Jan 29, 2009 11:12:19am

re: #90 Dustyvet

Students Forced to Pledge Allegiance to the Obamessiah…

All hail our dark overlord and master:

Pledge of Allegiance Becomes Pledge to Obama

By Alan Gray, NewsBlaze

A parent in the Clark County School District of Las Vegas, Henderson area reported today that his son, who is in 1st grade, came home yesterday saying that he didn’t want to go back to school anymore.

When asked why, the boy said that during the Pledge of Allegiance the teacher put up a large image of Obama next to the flag.

Thinking that the boy might be exaggerating, the man asked his son if he was sure, and suggested that by “large” he might mean an 8×10 photo of the president. The boy apparently said “No, it is a large picture of Obama and when we are done, the teacher turns off the image.”

The same thing was not done for President Bush last year.

After investigating this morning, the other parent reported that what the boy said was true.

At least three of the five classrooms have an overhead projector and as the children stand to recite the Pledge of Allegiance, the teacher turns on the classroom overhead and a full body image of Obama, with six U.S. flags behind him, comes up about 4 feet away from the flag that hangs on the wall. The screen is apparently around five feet by six feet.

In the image, President Obama appears to be staring straight out with no facial expression, just a serious look. All of the kids in each class faced the President, instead of the flag that hangs in the corner.

Local parents are up in arms over this situation. Teachers clearly do not realize the gravity of what they are doing.

Little Blue Book.
Presidential Pledge.
Pledge of Allegiance with (almost) life sized Obama image.

One of the most dangerous things on the planet.
Cult of personality in power.

138 Honorary Yooper  Thu, Jan 29, 2009 11:12:21am

The House prosecutor is back with his rebuttal to Blagojevich.

139 nyc redneck  Thu, Jan 29, 2009 11:12:27am

re: #91 WriterMom

Not naive, calculated, cunning and quite hopelessly not up for the job. He'll make a fine mess, and some serious life-threatening and life-altering fuck ups before he is tamed.

i think there is some naivety there because his huge ego clouds his rational mind. his messianic complex does not allow him to interpret correctly, what is going on right in front of him. (maybe it is called stupid)

140 LGoPs  Thu, Jan 29, 2009 11:12:37am

re: #97 unreconstructed rebel

Thanks. I tried it.......
Always been kinda slow to learn these new fangled computer tricks.
I'm quite pleased with myself just getting my e-mail to come up in the mornings.......
:)

141 nigella  Thu, Jan 29, 2009 11:13:05am

It doesn't matter that we know this has all been done before.The difference when Obama's predecessors did it was they weren't anointed by the world as the "One."Only the One can bring true change and peace to the Planet. By the way, I was just wondering, did any of you get your Mortgage paid off yet or your free gas? I was also waiting for my Unicorn. The Grand kids are going to be disappointed if it doesn't show up soon............

142 Nevergiveup  Thu, Jan 29, 2009 11:13:17am

re: #138 Honorary Yooper

The House prosecutor is back with his rebuttal to Blagojevich.

"Everything that guy said is bullshit"

143 Randall Gross  Thu, Jan 29, 2009 11:13:24am

re: #121 MandyManners

It's not going to happen. It's what some talk show hosts billboard on for slow news days. Yeah, there are loons on the left promoting it, but it's just not going to happen.

144 KibbyKat  Thu, Jan 29, 2009 11:13:38am

re: #136 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

On Saturday mornings at my house, a chalk outline of a person on my front stoop with Watchtower magazines strewn about keeps them at bay.

I invite them to come in and learn more about my religion. No takers, so far.

145 jcm  Thu, Jan 29, 2009 11:13:47am

re: #132 realwest

Thanks......

146 realwest  Thu, Jan 29, 2009 11:14:19am

re: #90 Dustyvet
GREAT POST, Dusty! One little quibble though:
"Teachers clearly do not realize the gravity of what they are doing."
Oh yes they do.

147 Nevergiveup  Thu, Jan 29, 2009 11:14:19am

Another White House briefing on TV. Did the Bush WH have one each day or were they all televised?

148 subsailor68  Thu, Jan 29, 2009 11:14:20am

re: #132 realwest

Kinda my bad for not making it clear that McDowell's talk was about opposition to the various proposals. But, it did seem clear that he's worried about it coming back "rebranded", including the issues with the web.

Thanks for your post - and again, sorry if I didn't clarify it.

149 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Jan 29, 2009 11:14:33am

re: #110 Cognito

I have a grand time. And I'm a big fan of tits and tats.

Well, most of the men here are big fans of tits. Tats, on the other hand, I don't like as much. I don't hate tattoos, but i don't much care for them.

150 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Jan 29, 2009 11:14:48am

re: #90 Dustyvet

Holy hell!

Picture of Mao on the other side.

Nevada is in America, right?

Teaching children to pledge to any man (outside of obvious Christian/religious beliefs) is beyond my comprehension.

151 tfc3rid  Thu, Jan 29, 2009 11:15:01am

re: #147 Nevergiveup

Another White House briefing on TV. Did the Bush WH have one each day or were they all televised?

There was one each day and they were not televised.

152 Honorary Yooper  Thu, Jan 29, 2009 11:15:28am

Another caucus of one hour!?! WTF!?! They'll be back at 2:15pm CST.

153 DisturbedEma  Thu, Jan 29, 2009 11:15:31am

re: #110 Cognito

I have a grand time. And I'm a big fan of tits and tats.

Just go after the words I actually write, instead of inventing them. It's more fun that way.

We do. . .their lack of substance makes them niiice and juicy to pick apart and disagree with. . .which pisses you off and makes you whime "I did not say/mean/post that. . .go look at what I DID say. . .snivel you guys suck"

What irks me and maybe others is is the remorse of the time wasted reading what you actually wrote, and then you saying that what you wrote was not what you meant. . .when asked what you meant then, you say you did not say it. . .repeat. . .

Cog, here is something I will not deny posting and meaning- you are as vapid and as intellectually shallow as they come, and all of your pontificating and sniping and snark will not ever add an inch to the shallows of your mind and your integrity. . .

154 monkeytime  Thu, Jan 29, 2009 11:15:39am

Posted this on the bottom a few threads ago - thought it was really cool.

Military Judge Refuses to Halt Trial of USS Cole Bombing Suspect


sorry - having a hard time keeping up today between patients!

155 realwest  Thu, Jan 29, 2009 11:15:55am

re: #145 jcm
My pleasure (one of the reasons I get so far behind on posts is that I actually read the links!).

156 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Jan 29, 2009 11:16:00am

re: #90 Dustyvet

This article is lacking a WHOLE lot of detail, no names, no teachers names, no mention of the actual school, no reference.

I call the 48 hour rule.

157 Cognito  Thu, Jan 29, 2009 11:16:12am

re: #153 DisturbedEma

All right.

158 Peacekeeper  Thu, Jan 29, 2009 11:16:14am
The old civilizations claimed that they were founded on love or justice. Ours is founded upon hatred. In our world there will be no emotions except fear, rage, triumph, and self-abasement. Everything else we shall destroy— everything.


1984

Good luck negotiating with that.

159 Dustyvet  Thu, Jan 29, 2009 11:16:24am

re: #146 realwest

GREAT POST, Dusty! One little quibble though:
"Teachers clearly do not realize the gravity of what they are doing."
Oh yes they do.

Thanks!, agreed...

160 jorline  Thu, Jan 29, 2009 11:16:25am

My Bipartisan Stimulus
By RUSH LIMBAUGH

Fifty-three percent of American voters voted for Barack Obama; 46% voted for John McCain, and 1% voted for wackos. Give that 1% to President Obama. Let's say the vote was 54% to 46%. As a way to bring the country together and at the same time determine the most effective way to deal with recessions, under the Obama-Limbaugh Stimulus Plan of 2009: 54% of the $900 billion -- $486 billion -- will be spent on infrastructure and pork as defined by Mr. Obama and the Democrats; 46% -- $414 billion -- will be directed toward tax cuts, as determined by me.

Posted this late last night...worth reading.

161 WriterMom  Thu, Jan 29, 2009 11:16:52am

re: #149 Dark_Falcon

I wasn't gonna touch that one, but I did think: tits and tats? Most men are for tits and ass.

162 realwest  Thu, Jan 29, 2009 11:17:14am

re: #148 subsailor68
No, No, No - it wasn't your fault - you did indeed quote it correctly; some folks just read what the title of your link was and jumped up and down without reading it.
ABSOLUTELY NOT YOUR FAULT.

163 WriterMom  Thu, Jan 29, 2009 11:17:30am

re: #158 Peacekeeper

Negotiate not with stupid.

Smash the stupid.

164 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Jan 29, 2009 11:17:48am

re: #153 DisturbedEma

I disagree. Respectfully.

165 big steve  Thu, Jan 29, 2009 11:17:53am

re: #156 Walter L. Newton

This article is lacking a WHOLE lot of detail, no names, no teachers names, no mention of the actual school, no reference.

I call the 48 hour rule.


seconded

166 subsailor68  Thu, Jan 29, 2009 11:18:07am

re: #162 realwest

No, No, No - it wasn't your fault - you did indeed quote it correctly; some folks just read what the title of your link was and jumped up and down without reading it.
ABSOLUTELY NOT YOUR FAULT.

Ah! Gotcha. Thanks.

167 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Jan 29, 2009 11:18:26am

re: #136 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

On Saturday mornings at my house, a chalk outline of a person on my front stoop with Watchtower magazines strewn about keeps them at bay.

I thought I have heard every JW joke out there, but you just got the Oscar for that.

P.S. No fucking up ding for insulting my ex-sect.

168 OldLineTexan  Thu, Jan 29, 2009 11:18:31am

re: #161 WriterMom

I wasn't gonna touch that one, but I did think: tits and tats? Most men are for tits and ass.

Except for Igor. That guy was into brains!

169 jcm  Thu, Jan 29, 2009 11:18:36am

re: #155 realwest

My pleasure (one of the reasons I get so far behind on posts is that I actually read the links!).

One of the pitfalls of multitasking.........

170 realwest  Thu, Jan 29, 2009 11:18:56am

I'm outta here for a while y'all - lunch and meds and nap! LOL!
Hope you have a great day and that I get the chance to see you all down the road!

171 WriterMom  Thu, Jan 29, 2009 11:18:59am

re: #165 big steve

It's posted on Hot Air with names.

172 monkeytime  Thu, Jan 29, 2009 11:19:14am

re: #149 Dark_Falcon

Well, most of the men here are big fans of tits. Tats, on the other hand, I don't like as much. I don't hate tattoos, but i don't much care for them.


What are tats and how do you go about exchanging one for the other?

173 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Jan 29, 2009 11:19:18am

re: #156 Walter L. Newton

Thanks. You are right. Easy to get me to fly off the handle with that. Thank again.

174 Nevergiveup  Thu, Jan 29, 2009 11:19:30am

Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan on Thursday stormed off the stage at the World Economic Forum in Davos, red-faced after verbally sparring with President Shimon Peres over the recent fighting in Gaza.


[Link: www.haaretz.com...]

Our moderate friends the Turks?

175 Ford_Prefect  Thu, Jan 29, 2009 11:19:33am

re: #160 jorline

Heard him describe his plan on his show. I liked the sound of it, which means it will never happen. Obama doesn't want real answers, he wants bigger and bigger government and he wants himself in charge of that bigger government. If he gets re-elected in 2012 look for the movement to repeal the two term limit.

176 subsailor68  Thu, Jan 29, 2009 11:19:51am

re: #162 realwest

BTW, if I haven't mentioned it, I really enjoy conversing with you. It's a true pleasure.

177 Peacekeeper  Thu, Jan 29, 2009 11:19:55am

re: #163 WriterMom

Negotiate not with stupid.

Smash the stupid.

I'm with stupid.

178 OldLineTexan  Thu, Jan 29, 2009 11:19:59am

re: #172 monkeytime

What are tats and how do you go about exchanging one for the other?

What kind of doctor are you, anyway?

/////

179 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Jan 29, 2009 11:20:20am

re: #161 WriterMom

I wasn't gonna touch that one, but I did think: tits and tats? Most men are for tits and ass.

I'm usually happy with even half that.

180 monkeytime  Thu, Jan 29, 2009 11:20:48am

re: #178 OldLineTexan

What kind of doctor are you, anyway?

/////

I'm not a doctor. I'm a MRI technologist.

181 Dustyvet  Thu, Jan 29, 2009 11:20:49am

re: #156 Walter L. Newton

This article is lacking a WHOLE lot of detail, no names, no teachers names, no mention of the actual school, no reference.

I call the 48 hour rule.

Walter, researching for more information.

182 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Jan 29, 2009 11:20:54am

re: #167 Walter L. Newton

Prove it. Tell me a JW joke. I really didn't know they existed. I just repeated that line...heard a comedian say something like it once....massaged it to fit a JW... or any door to door religious "knocker".

183 WriterMom  Thu, Jan 29, 2009 11:20:55am

Sorry, my bad-it was on Jawa with a report.

[Link: doctorbulldog.wordpress.com...]

184 WriterMom  Thu, Jan 29, 2009 11:21:16am

re: #179 Walter L. Newton

Half a tit, or half an ass?

185 Big Steve  Thu, Jan 29, 2009 11:21:36am

re: #171 WriterMom

It's posted on Hot Air with names.


I am looking at Hot Air right now and don't see it

186 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Jan 29, 2009 11:21:51am

re: #171 WriterMom

It's posted on Hot Air with names.

Where. I just looked at the front page, nothing I can see. Link?

187 OldLineTexan  Thu, Jan 29, 2009 11:21:54am

re: #180 monkeytime

I'm not a doctor. I'm a MRI technologist.

I put in lotsa sarc tags. Just pullin' your leg.

188 OldLineTexan  Thu, Jan 29, 2009 11:22:12am

re: #184 WriterMom

Half a tit, or half an ass?

One tit and half-ass?

189 DisturbedEma  Thu, Jan 29, 2009 11:22:25am

re: #164 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I disagree. Respectfully.

Which is why I did not include you in it. . .still a free country right? I am not a Karma whore. . .

190 WriterMom  Thu, Jan 29, 2009 11:22:29am

See my #183, I saw the story on Jawa Report, and it is based on someone's blog report.

191 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jan 29, 2009 11:22:31am

re: #182 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

or any door to door religious "knocker".

Putting the "tit" in "tit for tat" I see... well done.

192 Nevergiveup  Thu, Jan 29, 2009 11:22:33am

re: #187 OldLineTexan

I put in lotsa sarc tags. Just pullin' your leg.

Hey you. Come over here and pull this finger.
/

193 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Jan 29, 2009 11:23:06am

re: #184 WriterMom

Half a tit, or half an ass?

No, no, but I'm happy with the tits alone or the ass alone. I make a joke and now I dig deeper, next thing you know someone will be calling me some sick pervert.

194 WriterMom  Thu, Jan 29, 2009 11:23:43am

re: #191 Occasional Reader

I can't believe you're not touching the Jehovah's Witness...

/giggles

195 Nevergiveup  Thu, Jan 29, 2009 11:23:52am

21:19 UN nuclear watchdog chief welcomes Obama overtures to Iran (Reuters)

Big shocker there!

196 WriterMom  Thu, Jan 29, 2009 11:24:29am

re: #192 Nevergiveup

LOL!

197 OldLineTexan  Thu, Jan 29, 2009 11:24:31am

re: #192 Nevergiveup

Hey you. Come over here and pull this finger.
/

My uncle taught me to know better than that.

He also had a worn college ring that, if turned at his request, produced the same effect. It had glowing red letters inscribed in Elvish script, but I could not make out the tongue ...

198 Nevergiveup  Thu, Jan 29, 2009 11:24:31am

re: #193 Walter L. Newton

No, no, but I'm happy with the tits alone or the ass alone. I make a joke and now I dig deeper, next thing you know someone will be calling me some sick pervert.

You say that like it's an insult?

199 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Jan 29, 2009 11:24:37am

re: #183 WriterMom

Sorry, my bad-it was on Jawa with a report.

[Link: doctorbulldog.wordpress.com...]

It's the same story. No names, no teachers names, no mention of the actual school, no references.

I stick to my statement, I call the 48 hour rule.

200 MandyManners  Thu, Jan 29, 2009 11:24:44am

re: #193 Walter L. Newton

You sick pervert.

201 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Jan 29, 2009 11:24:47am

re: #189 DisturbedEma

Fair enough. How are you? Good to see you back.

202 WriterMom  Thu, Jan 29, 2009 11:24:55am

re: #195 Nevergiveup

Where are you located?

203 Big Steve  Thu, Jan 29, 2009 11:25:11am

re: #190 WriterMom

See my #183, I saw the story on Jawa Report, and it is based on someone's blog report.

Thanks found it. However it is a newblog item and still, other than naming the county, has no names such as the school, teacher, vice-principal, etc.....

204 WriterMom  Thu, Jan 29, 2009 11:25:16am

re: #200 MandyManners

Heh.

205 OldLineTexan  Thu, Jan 29, 2009 11:25:21am

re: #193 Walter L. Newton

No, no, but I'm happy with the tits alone or the ass alone. I make a joke and now I dig deeper, next thing you know someone will be calling me some sick pervert.

Awww, are you sick?

/////////

206 Nevergiveup  Thu, Jan 29, 2009 11:25:26am

re: #202 WriterMom

Where are you located?

NJ. Why?

207 unreconstructed rebel  Thu, Jan 29, 2009 11:25:40am

re: #99 Dark_Falcon

The Knights Hospitaller may be more to your liking. My understanding is they enjoyed a better reputation & gained great respect from the Turks after the Battle of Rhodes.

208 Peacekeeper  Thu, Jan 29, 2009 11:25:42am
We do not destroy the heretic because he resists us: so long as he resists us we never destroy him. We convert him, we capture his inner mind, we reshape him. We burn all evil and all illusion out of him; we bring him over to our side, not in appearance, but genuinely, heart and soul. We make him one of ourselves before we kill him. [...] we make the brain perfect before we blow it out.
209 BatGuano  Thu, Jan 29, 2009 11:25:47am

re: #193 Walter L. Newton

No, a deviated prevert.
It's a joke :)

210 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jan 29, 2009 11:25:49am

re: #195 Nevergiveup

21:19 UN nuclear watchdog chief welcomes Obama overtures to Iran

I don't think I like this opera.

211 jcm  Thu, Jan 29, 2009 11:26:00am

re: #181 Dustyvet

Walter, researching for more information.

I find only the one story at News Blaze. No response at Clark County Schools.

212 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Jan 29, 2009 11:26:00am

re: #198 Nevergiveup

You say that like it's an insult?

Shut up, I have an image to maintain. Shit, my name and yellow lizard is on the cover of a cookbook. If this crap gets out, when I go on Ophra, the appearance will bomb.

213 avanti  Thu, Jan 29, 2009 11:26:06am

re: #101 Cognito

Play up which particular aspect?

I'm hoping that, for all the possible downsides of an Obama presidency, that one possible upside is a turning of the popular opinion in Iran against Ahmadinejad.

Snip


Here's just that take on Obama's popularity inIran

214 OldLineTexan  Thu, Jan 29, 2009 11:26:06am

re: #206 Nevergiveup

NJ. Why?

Mebbe she wants to pull yer finger ...

215 logboy  Thu, Jan 29, 2009 11:26:19am

Obama Suggested FDR’s ‘New Deal’ Was Too Small, House Republicans Say

In a closed-door meeting with House Republicans on Tuesday to discuss the $819-billion economic stimulus bill, President Obama suggested that Franklin Roosevelt’s New Deal failed because it was too small, Reps. Steve King (R-Iowa) and Rob Bishop (R-Utah), who attended the meeting, told CNSNews.com.

How clueless can he possibly be?

216 WriterMom  Thu, Jan 29, 2009 11:26:42am

re: #206 Nevergiveup

Just curious-just my nosy old self..

217 jcm  Thu, Jan 29, 2009 11:26:58am

re: #210 Occasional Reader

I don't think I like this opera.

It's not over till the Fat Man sings.

218 jorline  Thu, Jan 29, 2009 11:27:16am

re: #175 Ford_Prefect

Heard him describe his plan on his show. I liked the sound of it, which means it will never happen. Obama doesn't want real answers, he wants bigger and bigger government and he wants himself in charge of that bigger government. If he gets re-elected in 2012 look for the movement to repeal the two term limit.

Hey Ford....agree

The most secure jobs in the near future will be government jobs. Spend 150,000 on a college education...then go to work for the government.

I don't want to see the entrepreneurial spirit broken.

219 Silhouette  Thu, Jan 29, 2009 11:27:17am

re: #215 logboy

Obama Suggested FDR’s ‘New Deal’ Was Too Small, House Republicans Say


How clueless can he possibly be?

THIS time socialism will work. We just have to try harder!

221 logboy  Thu, Jan 29, 2009 11:27:25am

re: #194 WriterMom

I can't believe you're not touching the Jehovah's Witness...

/giggles

I kept trying, but they eventually quit knocking on my door.

222 Peacekeeper  Thu, Jan 29, 2009 11:27:41am

re: #210 Occasional Reader
21:19 UN nuclear watchdog chief welcomes Obama overtures to Iran


I don't think I like this opera.

No more rehearsing and nursing a part. We know every part by heart!

223 Nevergiveup  Thu, Jan 29, 2009 11:27:46am

re: #216 WriterMom

Just curious-just my nosy old self..

Aliitle Jewish Geography?

224 jcm  Thu, Jan 29, 2009 11:27:53am

re: #219 Silhouette

THIS time socialism will work. We just have to try harder!

Jus' a few more eggs, just a few more......

225 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jan 29, 2009 11:28:04am

re: #207 unreconstructed rebel

The Knights Hospitaller may be more to your liking.

Just stay away from the Hospitaller food... yuck.

226 akak  Thu, Jan 29, 2009 11:28:09am
IPT Exclusive: FBI Cuts Off CAIR Over Hamas Questions

but why? might as well keep the relationship going after all these years!

227 MandyManners  Thu, Jan 29, 2009 11:28:16am

re: #215 logboy

Obama Suggested FDR’s ‘New Deal’ Was Too Small, House Republicans Say


How clueless can he possibly be?

He's not clueless. He's a Commie.

228 WriterMom  Thu, Jan 29, 2009 11:28:21am

re: #217 jcm

Not this fat man?

229 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Jan 29, 2009 11:28:26am

re: #200 MandyManners

You sick pervert.

re: #209 BatGuano

No, a deviated prevert.
It's a joke :)

re: #204 WriterMom

Heh.

Remember, I broke up with my criminal girlfriend two weeks ago, and it's getting a little dry around here. Any sort of "thrills" helps right now.

(that made it sound worst, right?)

230 jcm  Thu, Jan 29, 2009 11:28:49am

re: #228 WriterMom

Not this fat man?

We should drop that Fat Man.........

231 MandyManners  Thu, Jan 29, 2009 11:28:55am

re: #226 akak

Link?

232 WriterMom  Thu, Jan 29, 2009 11:28:55am

re: #223 Nevergiveup

A little for a yiddle.

233 unreconstructed rebel  Thu, Jan 29, 2009 11:29:23am

re: #215 logboy

Why would a community organizer have any idea where money comes from?

You are right. This gets worse by the minute.

234 MandyManners  Thu, Jan 29, 2009 11:29:31am

re: #229 Walter L. Newton

Remember, I broke up with my criminal girlfriend two weeks ago, and it's getting a little dry around here. Any sort of "thrills" helps right now.

(that made it sound worst, right?)

Just remember the difference between sick and perverted.

235 itellu3times  Thu, Jan 29, 2009 11:29:59am
Pretend the world was created fresh just before you woke up, so all that matters is how you feel about it all.

Actually, Bush & Bush were both very big on this, or at least the very similar wish-fulfillment talk, so if Obama is now doing it he is after all Bush III.

Sure it's insane, and a common diplomatic fiction - but I repeat myself.

236 BatGuano  Thu, Jan 29, 2009 11:30:02am

re: #229 Walter L. Newton

As long as you don't practice your preversions around here.

237 WriterMom  Thu, Jan 29, 2009 11:30:22am

re: #219 Silhouette

If in practice something sucks, the theory sucks. Foooking communists.

("it's such a lovely idea in theory, it just hasn't always worked out in practice..."

ARGH!

238 akak  Thu, Jan 29, 2009 11:30:22am

[Link: counterterrorismblog.org...]

Mandy

239 jcm  Thu, Jan 29, 2009 11:30:30am

re: #233 unreconstructed rebel

Why would a community organizer have any idea where money comes from?

You are right. This gets worse by the minute.

The founders screwed up.... they didn't put Spread the Wealth in the Constitution!
//////////

240 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Jan 29, 2009 11:30:30am

re: #236 BatGuano

As long as you don't practice your preversions around here.

I don't have to practice, I'm an expert.

241 subsailor68  Thu, Jan 29, 2009 11:30:41am

re: #215 logboy

And also from the article:

“Well, a lot of economists tell us that what President Roosevelt failed to do was to spend as much money as was needed to get people back to work and get the economy moving again,” said Waxman. “And it wasn’t until World War II, when we had major expenditures, that the Depression was finally resolved.”

Really Waxman? Name 'em.

(Bugs me when I hear politicians say "many (fill in the blank) agree with me." But never provide any names.)

242 gmsc  Thu, Jan 29, 2009 11:30:42am

OT: Help Request

I recently posted the Paradise is Coming essay on another board, and got this as a response:

I'm not sure I agree with his logic. But "Wall Street Journal 1-26-2009" with no link is hardly a detailed source. Did he pull that from the Opinion page? Not a clue.

However- let's look at that last paragraph, especially this part:
-fueled partially if not totally by reckless government policies of intervention in the economy-

This, I take issue with. You know the reason the banks collapsed? No, it wasn't because they were giving sub-prime mortgages to people who couldn't really afford them. That was only a part of it.

The bigger reason the credit crunch happened was due to Credit Default Swaps- derivative funds which are essentially selling bets that a mish-mash of mixed up sub-prime mortgages won't default. When the mortgages did, the banks had to pay up on these debts.

Now- Credit Derivative Swaps used to be illegal... until the government deregulated the banking industry.

What got us into this mess wasn't too much government regulation. It was pulling off the brakes and having far too little.

If you can offer any help with formulating a reply, I'd be grateful.

243 itellu3times  Thu, Jan 29, 2009 11:31:14am

re: #215 logboy

Obama Suggested FDR’s ‘New Deal’ Was Too Small, House Republicans Say

How clueless can he possibly be?

Krugman.

The word is Krugman.

He just wrote a whole book about this.

And won the Nobel for economics.

Krugman.

Live it.

Love it.

Krugman.

244 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jan 29, 2009 11:31:15am

re: #236 BatGuano

As long as you don't practice your preversions around here.

Somehow I knew you'd show up.

245 KenJen  Thu, Jan 29, 2009 11:32:33am

Finally made it into work today. Ice storm trapped me in my home. No heat since tues at 12 midnight. Power co said no electricty for 2 weeks. Roads blocked with trees. Powerlines everywhere. Temps in the teens tonite. Where's Obama, where's Fema? Hell I havent even seen a postal worker. Does anyone care?

246 LGoPs  Thu, Jan 29, 2009 11:32:34am

re: #121 MandyManners

I don't know why but, the FD scares me more than CBBHO talking to ShortShit, more than the massive transfer of wealth going on right now.

It's the infantilization of America, a belief that we don't know what's good for us, that we need to have our hands held, that we need to be educated according to the standards of a bunch of fucking Fascist/Commie bastards.

I am trembling with rage. Might be a good time to step back from the computer.

I fully agree with the rage over trying to impose the Fairness Doctrine. I do think that it, or trying to overturn the 2nd Amendment, should be a tipping point where we all say Enough!.

That having been said, I think the true impetus for the commie fascist libs imposing the FD is the fact that they are frustrated and upset by the fact that even after 30+ years of almost total domination of the culture (media, courts and education) there still are around 50% of us who haven't bought into their shit.
I think that drives them nuts and they will do everything in their power to bring about the squelching of dissenting thoughts or opinions. And of course it will be for the children.......*spit*

FD or 2nd Amendment - we need to get ready to pick the ground we take a stand on..........

247 WriterMom  Thu, Jan 29, 2009 11:32:36am

re: #242 gmsc

Look out for 3wood, he's an economist.

248 Randall Gross  Thu, Jan 29, 2009 11:32:58am

re: #199 Walter L. Newton

It's the same story. No names, no teachers names, no mention of the actual school, no references.

I stick to my statement, I call the 48 hour rule.


The original story comes from Newsblaze, with appears to be a joint community newsblog / newsplog.
They appear to pick a lot of stories off the PR newswires (various) and republish a lot of content, with a notable preponderance of stories from the subcontinent. I"m with you: second or third source and specifics needed.

249 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Jan 29, 2009 11:35:03am

re: #15 Gusbenz

Oh God, I'm even forgetting these things. The U.S. apologized for the coup during the Clinton years. The mass-media needs to include these facts. What Iran really pines for is the U.S. rolling over and dying.

Fixed.

250 BatGuano  Thu, Jan 29, 2009 11:35:36am

re: #244 Occasional Reader

Wherever there is preversion, there am I.

251 Kenneth  Thu, Jan 29, 2009 11:36:18am

re: #213 avanti

In response to your post on a previous thread:

re: #427 avanti

The letter which Obama's team is drafting to send to Iran includes a promise to Iran that the US is not seeking to overthrow the regime, but merely to change their behavior. My comments were in reference to more than just this TV interview, although they should be taken together.

You are aware Iran is not part of the Arab world, right? The Arabs do not like the Iranians while the Iranians are rather contemptuous of the Arabs. The Arabs have long suffered under Iranian meddling and imperialism and do not wish to be subject to it again. Syria (along with Hezbollah & Hamas) are Iran's only allies in the Arab world, and they are increasingly isolated among their Arab brothers.

By appearing to be very conciliatory, even apologetic to the Iranian regime, Obama is sending the wrong signal to the Arab countries which fear a nuclear armed Iran. There are already worries that the Arab countries will respond to a nuclear Iran by developing their own nuclear weapons. Egypt, Jordan & Saudi Arabia have all hinted at this. Obama's comments only serve to heighten Arab anxiety about Iran, not lessen it.

252 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jan 29, 2009 11:37:09am

re: #242 gmsc

The bigger reason the credit crunch happened was due to Credit Default Swaps- derivative funds which are essentially selling bets that a mish-mash of mixed up sub-prime mortgages won't default. When the mortgages did, the banks had to pay up on these debts.

Now- Credit Derivative Swaps used to be illegal... until the government deregulated the banking industry.

My short answer; the swaps themselves were not the problem. The toxic mortgage paper mixed in with them was the problem. And that condition existed because of government-pushed subprime lending, and the implicit "greater fool" guarantee represented by the quasi-"government backstop" of Freddie and Fannie. So, yes, government meddling in the market was the root cause.

253 LGoPs  Thu, Jan 29, 2009 11:37:19am

re: #250 BatGuano

Wherever there is preversion, there am I.

LOL....you prevert.....
:)

254 Kenneth  Thu, Jan 29, 2009 11:37:25am

re: #247 WriterMom

Look out for 3wood, he's an economist.

An economist, eh? That's like an accountant, but with even more charisma!

255 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jan 29, 2009 11:37:57am

re: #250 BatGuano

Wherever there is preversion, there am I.

May I buy you a Coca-Cola?

256 subsailor68  Thu, Jan 29, 2009 11:39:13am

re: #242 gmsc

OT: Help Request

I recently posted the Paradise is Coming essay on another board, and got this as a response:

If you can offer any help with formulating a reply, I'd be grateful.

Well, as I understand it, he's not completely off-base, just a little simplistic. For example, after saying that sub-prime mortgages were only part of the problem, he goes on to place the majority of the blame on CDS's.

It's my understanding that the genesis of the housing crisis were sub-prime and interest only Variable Interest loans (you know, the folks who over-bought). These were then packaged into Mortgage Backed Securities (combined good and toxic loans), and sold as investments. The Credit Default Swaps were "insurance" packages sold to protect the MBS's.

When the loans started to go bad, the whole house of cards collapsed, as the loans defaulted, the MBS's that included those loans started to lose value, and the CDS's designed as "insurance" were underfunded.

So, it seems to me that it was a whole host of unfortunate things happening one after another.

Of course, the original toxic loans were dictated to banks, etc. by the Community Reinvestment Act of 1977 (Carter), given teeth in the mid-90's (Clinton), and let fester by inaction on the part of the Congress (think Democrats) in the early 2000's, despite concern on the part of others (think Republican's and President Bush).

But then, I'm no expert.

;-)

257 BatGuano  Thu, Jan 29, 2009 11:39:14am

re: #255 Occasional Reader

Yeah, I don't carry loose change into combat.

258 Dustyvet  Thu, Jan 29, 2009 11:39:57am

re: #211 jcm

I find only the one story at News Blaze. No response at Clark County Schools.

I'm having that same problem, it now looks like I jumped on a story that I should have done further research on. My apologies.

Walter please pass the crow...

259 Silhouette  Thu, Jan 29, 2009 11:40:04am

re: #237 WriterMom

If in practice something sucks, the theory sucks. Foooking communists.

("it's such a lovely idea in theory, it just hasn't always worked out in practice..."

ARGH!

Unlike most here, I did not go through a leftist phase in my youth. Always an ardent capitalist.

However I DID think at one point that communism was "good in theory" (we'll all love and share and be fair) and that it only didn't work in practice because humans are always flawed. But I have come to realize I was wrong. Communism is evil in theory too. It is NOT about sharing. Sharing is what we have in capitalism, when people are free to share without outside coercion.

Communism isn't "sharing" because it isn't voluntary. It is theft. It is slavery.

260 FurryOldGuyJeans  Thu, Jan 29, 2009 11:43:54am

O has made it perfectly clear with all he has said that any talking he does will be appeasement that will warm the hearts of all Jihadis and America Haters Worldwide. This president will only embolden our enemies to attack us.

2009 is the year Carter gets rehabilitated from being the worst president of all time. Now he will be accorded the status of 2nd worst.

261 nyc redneck  Thu, Jan 29, 2009 11:45:43am

re: #215 logboy

Obama Suggested FDR’s ‘New Deal’ Was Too Small, House Republicans Say

How clueless can he possibly be?

he is a hard core socialist.
he has his agenda.

262 gmsc  Thu, Jan 29, 2009 11:47:54am

re: #252 Occasional Reader

My short answer; the swaps themselves were not the problem. The toxic mortgage paper mixed in with them was the problem. And that condition existed because of government-pushed subprime lending, and the implicit "greater fool" guarantee represented by the quasi-"government backstop" of Freddie and Fannie. So, yes, government meddling in the market was the root cause.

re: #256 subsailor68

Well, as I understand it, he's not completely off-base, just a little simplistic. For example, after saying that sub-prime mortgages were only part of the problem, he goes on to place the majority of the blame on CDS's.

It's my understanding that the genesis of the housing crisis were sub-prime and interest only Variable Interest loans (you know, the folks who over-bought). These were then packaged into Mortgage Backed Securities (combined good and toxic loans), and sold as investments. The Credit Default Swaps were "insurance" packages sold to protect the MBS's.

When the loans started to go bad, the whole house of cards collapsed, as the loans defaulted, the MBS's that included those loans started to lose value, and the CDS's designed as "insurance" were underfunded.

So, it seems to me that it was a whole host of unfortunate things happening one after another.

Of course, the original toxic loans were dictated to banks, etc. by the Community Reinvestment Act of 1977 (Carter), given teeth in the mid-90's (Clinton), and let fester by inaction on the part of the Congress (think Democrats) in the early 2000's, despite concern on the part of others (think Republican's and President Bush).

But then, I'm no expert.

;-)

Thanks for the help! If anybody else can offer assistance with #242, I'd also appreciate that help as well - and I show it in the form of updings!

263 Kenneth  Thu, Jan 29, 2009 11:48:53am

re: #101 Cognito

Play up which particular aspect?

I'm hoping that, for all the possible downsides of an Obama presidency, that one possible upside is a turning of the popular opinion in Iran against Ahmadinejad. My understanding of what many young people in Iran think -- and I'll acknowledge that's a shaky understanding -- is that they like Obama. And so when Ahmadinejad keeps up his angry antics, it'll spell political doom for him.

But then again, I'd have thought the pinch of international political and financial pain would have done the same. So who knows.

The majority of Iranians do not like Islamic regime or the mullah's puppet Ahmadinejad. In the next fixed election, the mullahs will shuffle their puppets and put up a "moderate" who will proceed to entertain Obama's over-vaunting ego. Meanwhile, their nuclear program will roll on.

Obama's conciliatory words to the Iranian regime will come as a hard blow to true pro-democracy Iranians.

264 WitchDoctor  Thu, Jan 29, 2009 11:49:42am

re: #242 gmsc

So his theory is the banks defaulted because regulations allowed you to speculate on a risky venture? Uh, isn't it the risky venture that's the problem here?

Ninja loans are a failure. Period. Allowing you to invest in them is called capitalism.

265 DisturbedEma  Thu, Jan 29, 2009 11:49:42am

re: #251 Kenneth

AND it makes countries like Turkey also want to stay out. . .or play close, they have no idea if dear leader will cover their back. . .so they will defer. . .just my thoughts. . .

266 BatGuano  Thu, Jan 29, 2009 11:49:54am

re: #260 FurryOldGuyJeans

I hope he realizes that if he reaches across that aisle he will draw back a stub. McCain never understood that and the stakes are now higher.

267 subsailor68  Thu, Jan 29, 2009 11:50:18am

re: #262 gmsc

Thanks for the help! If anybody else can offer assistance with #242, I'd also appreciate that help as well - and I show it in the form of updings!

You're sure welcome. Hey, at least it looks like OR and I have basically the same take on it.

:-)

268 DisturbedEma  Thu, Jan 29, 2009 11:51:17am

re: #263 Kenneth

The majority of Iranians do not like Islamic regime or the mullah's puppet Ahmadinejad. In the next fixed election, the mullahs will shuffle their puppets and put up a "moderate" who will proceed to entertain Obama's over-vaunting ego. Meanwhile, their nuclear program will roll on.

Obama's conciliatory words to the Iranian regime will come as a hard blow to true pro-democracy Iranians.

Many people do NOT understand a theocratic state mentality. . .and how it rules. . .

If they did, they would be surprised how lacking in freedom and dissent it is under one. . .

269 [deleted]  Thu, Jan 29, 2009 11:51:27am
270 BatGuano  Thu, Jan 29, 2009 11:51:43am

re: #261 nyc redneck

Thanks redneck...and it just gets worse.

271 avanti  Thu, Jan 29, 2009 11:51:53am

re: #251 Kenneth

In response to your post on a previous thread:

Just saw the White House news conference. No such letter has been seen by either Obama or the Sec of State, the report in the British paper was false. We can move on.

272 DisturbedEma  Thu, Jan 29, 2009 11:52:25am

re: #266 BatGuano

I hope he realizes that if he reaches across that aisle he will draw back a stub. McCain never understood that and the stakes are now higher.

Here's thinking that maybe with a national security issue. . .McCain will speak for his "friends" in this country and be a stand up guy for the country he fought and suffered for. . .

273 [deleted]  Thu, Jan 29, 2009 11:53:40am
274 DisturbedEma  Thu, Jan 29, 2009 11:53:50am

re: #269 Iron Fist

And they will call dissent 'negative energy' "wasted efforts and time" or maybe even "intellectual toxins"


My I be smited with such should this shit happen. . .

275 nanook  Thu, Jan 29, 2009 11:54:25am

re: #120 subsailor68

Wow! I thought you guys liked each other.

;-)

It's just a little tit for tat spat, that.

276 BatGuano  Thu, Jan 29, 2009 11:54:34am

re: #272 DisturbedEma

From your keyboard to God's ear

277 DisturbedEma  Thu, Jan 29, 2009 11:54:39am

re: #273 Iron Fist

That's already happening. The Donks are going to try to move heaven and earth to ensure that they never lose Power again. No matter what the pesky voters have to say about it.

Is it true that Pelosi was gleefully celebrating the passage of the stim. . .before the vote?

278 subsailor68  Thu, Jan 29, 2009 11:55:05am

re: #275 nanook

It's just a little tit for tat spat, that.

Ah, then tis merely a gnat.

:-)

279 wiffersnapper  Thu, Jan 29, 2009 11:55:26am

Just send jimmy carter a diplomat, I bet he'd love that!

280 nanook  Thu, Jan 29, 2009 11:55:32am

re: #278 subsailor68

Ah, then tis merely a gnat.

:-)

Gnat? 'Tis not!

281 WriterMom  Thu, Jan 29, 2009 11:55:37am

re: #257 BatGuano

Your manly essence comment is gonna stick...

282 WriterMom  Thu, Jan 29, 2009 11:56:35am

re: #259 Silhouette

That's why I would never EVAH live on a kibbutz. If someone tried to ration anything to me for "the better good" I would pulverize them.

283 Kenneth  Thu, Jan 29, 2009 11:57:06am

re: #265 DisturbedEma

The current Islamic gov't of Turkey has been carefully re-adjusting their pro-western foreign policy. Turkey will sit back and watch what happens. If Obama screws up, Turkey will be there to fill the void. They know Iran is their greatest regional rival, as they were for centuries of war between the Ottoman & Safavid Empires.

Turkey is also concerned about Obama's pledge for rapid withdrawal from Iraq. If things there go south, the Kurds will likely secede and declare independence. That will not go over well in Ankara. We could be looking at a regional war in an abandoned Iraq fought between Turkey, the Arab states of Jordan, Egypt, Kuwait & Saudi Arabia and Iran & Syria.

That's how bad Obama could screw up.

284 LGoPs  Thu, Jan 29, 2009 11:57:16am

re: #259 Silhouette

Unlike most here, I did not go through a leftist phase in my youth. Always an ardent capitalist.

However I DID think at one point that communism was "good in theory" (we'll all love and share and be fair) and that it only didn't work in practice because humans are always flawed. But I have come to realize I was wrong. Communism is evil in theory too. It is NOT about sharing. Sharing is what we have in capitalism, when people are free to share without outside coercion.

Communism isn't "sharing" because it isn't voluntary. It is theft. It is slavery.

I never needed an epiphany either. My parents and I were refugees from the Communists. You sum up the differences between communism and capitalism well.
Essentially for me, Capitalism works because it takes human nature - and man's inherent self-interest as one of it's driving forces - into account and harnesses it.
Communism takes another trait - envy and covetousness - and uses it as it's driving force. From the barrel of a gun.

Just another way of saying what you said.

285 WriterMom  Thu, Jan 29, 2009 11:57:17am

re: #254 Kenneth

Hey-you're a science geek...lay off the economists and accountants.

286 subsailor68  Thu, Jan 29, 2009 11:57:25am

re: #280 nanook

Gnat? 'Tis not!

Tis not? The little tit for tat spat, that is not a gnat? I feel such a rat.

287 Kenneth  Thu, Jan 29, 2009 11:58:25am

re: #271 avanti

Maybe, maybe not. Somebody wrote the report based upon something. Stay tuned...

288 Kenneth  Thu, Jan 29, 2009 11:59:13am

re: #281 WriterMom

Your manly essence comment is gonna stick...

There's manly essence sticking to his monitor screen.

289 nanook  Thu, Jan 29, 2009 11:59:19am

re: #286 subsailor68

Tis not? The little tit for tat spat, that is not a gnat? I feel such a rat.

A rat, forgo that..... uh look behind you, could that be a.......

icanhazratburger?

290 subsailor68  Thu, Jan 29, 2009 12:00:11pm

re: #289 nanook

A rat, forgo that..... uh look behind you, could that be a.......

icanhazratburger?

Arrghh!

You won't believe I'm about to say this, but it's time to head to the store, so I must flea.

291 [deleted]  Thu, Jan 29, 2009 12:01:42pm
292 FrogMarch  Thu, Jan 29, 2009 12:02:57pm

re: #219 Silhouette

THIS time socialism will work. We just have to try harder!

That's the eternal leftist mantra: Communism and socialism are good ideas that just haven been given a proper chance.

293 BatGuano  Thu, Jan 29, 2009 12:04:16pm

re: #288 Kenneth

Kenneth, If your name is Kenneth, uh.. you can't see me can you..?

294 Kenneth  Thu, Jan 29, 2009 12:04:25pm

re: #271 avanti

Not necessarily false, just denied. There is a difference.

295 [deleted]  Thu, Jan 29, 2009 12:04:32pm
296 Kenneth  Thu, Jan 29, 2009 12:05:26pm

re: #293 BatGuano

Actually, I'm really your mother and you ought to be ashamed of yourself!

297 DisturbedEma  Thu, Jan 29, 2009 12:06:24pm

re: #283 Kenneth

The current Islamic gov't of Turkey has been carefully re-adjusting their pro-western foreign policy. Turkey will sit back and watch what happens. If Obama screws up, Turkey will be there to fill the void. They know Iran is their greatest regional rival, as they were for centuries of war between the Ottoman & Safavid Empires.

Turkey is also concerned about Obama's pledge for rapid withdrawal from Iraq. If things there go south, the Kurds will likely secede and declare independence. That will not go over well in Ankara. We could be looking at a regional war in an abandoned Iraq fought between Turkey, the Arab states of Jordan, Egypt, Kuwait & Saudi Arabia and Iran & Syria.

That's how bad Obama could screw up.


Oh yeah, the Kurdish situation. . .OY!

298 DisturbedEma  Thu, Jan 29, 2009 12:06:58pm

re: #295 Iron Fist

I don't know. I hadn't heard that, but it wouldn't surprise me. The Donks are better about keeping their votes on the reservation that the Republicans are. She may have very well had enough committed votes that she knew it was going to pass before the vote was held.

Saw it on Fox online I think.

299 [deleted]  Thu, Jan 29, 2009 12:07:53pm
300 LGoPs  Thu, Jan 29, 2009 12:08:17pm

re: #292 FrogMarch

That's the eternal leftist mantra: Communism and socialism are good ideas that just haven been given a proper chance.

And the question we need to hammer home to them is "and how many millions of lives will it take this time........hmmmmmm?"
Bastards.

301 BatGuano  Thu, Jan 29, 2009 12:10:12pm

re: #296 Kenneth

A boy's best fiend is his mother. That was in a movie wasn't it? I can't remember, but I've always been a little psycho.

302 Kenneth  Thu, Jan 29, 2009 12:10:41pm

re: #297 DisturbedEma

Yup. Iraq is where the interests of the Iranians, the Turks & the Arabs intersect. If they manage to build on their fledgling democracy, it will have a profound & positive impact on the region for centuries to come. George W. Bush will be vindicated as a visionary statesman. (choke on that moonbats!)

On the other hand, it's not too late for Obama to screw it all to hell. He's sure off to a good start!

303 Kenneth  Thu, Jan 29, 2009 12:11:51pm

re: #299 Iron Fist

Yeah, the scope for failure is limitless!

304 Kenneth  Thu, Jan 29, 2009 12:13:31pm

re: #301 BatGuano

If you keep going on about "manly essences" I'll get so creeped out I'll have to go take a shower.

305 WriterMom  Thu, Jan 29, 2009 12:14:25pm

Both of you stop talking about creepy yucky movies and that other stuff.

Or else!

306 BatGuano  Thu, Jan 29, 2009 12:14:48pm

re: #299 Iron Fist

Obama wouldn't do that because he knows who would prevail. I really don't think he wants that to happen.

307 Joan  Thu, Jan 29, 2009 12:17:11pm

re: #283 Kenneth

The current Islamic gov't of Turkey has been carefully re-adjusting their pro-western foreign policy. Turkey will sit back and watch what happens. If Obama screws up, Turkey will be there to fill the void. They know Iran is their greatest regional rival, as they were for centuries of war between the Ottoman & Safavid Empires.

Turkey is also concerned about Obama's pledge for rapid withdrawal from Iraq. If things there go south, the Kurds will likely secede and declare independence. That will not go over well in Ankara. We could be looking at a regional war in an abandoned Iraq fought between Turkey, the Arab states of Jordan, Egypt, Kuwait & Saudi Arabia and Iran & Syria.

That's how bad Obama could screw up.

That's how bad Obama WILL screw up. Kenneth, your lineup is right on target. We're going to see Iran with the Bomb, and a regional civil war (short enough to get 'em in line with the Alpha dogs) and then full-scale war against the West.

I hate this. I hate the hypocrisy, the folly, the threat to my daughter's future security and livelihood, I hate the corruption, greed for power, nascent communism of the damned Democratic Party and doltish obtuseness and venality of so many Republicans, the blindness of Americans. Well, the only way out is through. Heaven has its Chariots of Fire but it seems like Hell is driving this flamer -- right over the abyss.

308 winston06  Thu, Jan 29, 2009 12:17:14pm

The criminal Iranian regime uses its hostility with the Jews and infidel Americans to shore up its own defenses and support within its borders. The animosity with the US is a strategic objective for the Mullahs. They benefit from it and why should they abandon it? No amount of American good will can stop these morons from doing what they have been doing: Criminal activities, supporting Islamonazis and waging war against the US. Obamble is a moron to believe he can talk these people out of what they do. I have got family in Iran and they are more worried about this offer of talks. They know that this offer is like a life line for the dead Iranian regime. Obamable, like Carter, is going to strengthen these crazy clerics and will pay for this mistake politically.

309 BatGuano  Thu, Jan 29, 2009 12:17:30pm

re: #305 WriterMom

I'm sorry. I've been a bad boy. I need to be punished...nudge nudge, wink wink.

310 winston06  Thu, Jan 29, 2009 12:18:21pm

re: #56 jcm

agreed

311 BatGuano  Thu, Jan 29, 2009 12:19:44pm

re: #301 BatGuano

"friend" PIMF

312 BatGuano  Thu, Jan 29, 2009 12:21:02pm

re: #311 BatGuano

On the other hand, was that Freudian?

313 Kenneth  Thu, Jan 29, 2009 12:23:15pm

re: #307 Joan

Well said.

314 WriterMom  Thu, Jan 29, 2009 12:24:30pm

re: #312 BatGuano

A Freudian whip? I mean...slip...

315 Joan  Thu, Jan 29, 2009 12:28:43pm

re: #269 Iron Fist

Great analysis. We're seeing the control of information, the power of persuasion and distraction, the motivation to consolidate power harnessed to a political agenda, all to revolutionize our country and remake it into a collectivist "utopia" that will reduce 95% to peasantry, with 5% holding the whip. I hate this collusion to enslave our minds with propaganda, bind us to the yoke of socialism, rob us of our individual freedoms in exchange for tribalism and entitlements. It is Ortega, Fidel, and the forever war against freedom and excellence.

316 BatGuano  Thu, Jan 29, 2009 12:29:17pm

re: #314 WriterMom

Ohhh..bad girl!

317 avanti  Thu, Jan 29, 2009 12:33:01pm

re: #294 Kenneth

Not necessarily false, just denied. There is a difference.

Now you have a cover up scandal to exploit. Just prove the British paper was correct and the White House lied.

318 BatGuano  Thu, Jan 29, 2009 12:35:28pm

re: #315 Joan

I loved the book,"The Forever War", I just don't want it to become reality. Ayn Rand would agree with you.

319 Joan  Thu, Jan 29, 2009 12:35:47pm

re: #121 MandyManners

I hear you, M.

me too--how much Abaddon Apocalypse can I endure between now and fixing Daddy's stirfry? Gotta keep him calm, too--no point losing him to a heart attack over these interesting times...

320 JustABill  Thu, Jan 29, 2009 12:35:50pm

re: #50 Cato the Elder

Oh, and once again, the whole notion of "talks without preconditions" is a non-starter, because Dinnerjacket has set preconditions of his own. Like we have to leave the Middle East entirely and give up supporting Israel.

Not gonna happen.

You might be suprised. I wouldn't put anything past al Bama.

321 jpkoch  Thu, Jan 29, 2009 12:40:51pm

MMmmmm. first Iran developes a low to mid grade nuke (or nukes). The unthinkable has become possible...the Chicoms and Russians then sell the Iranian mid range surface to surface missles (probably with technology we sold them). Next... the Chicoms sell the Iranian advanced targeting and navigation technology . Finally, the Iranians develope thier missles that can target any European capital... By this time Obama is in his 2nd term, and he is negociating the removal of all US Naval assets from the Persian Gulf and Indian Ocean.

322 DisturbedEma  Thu, Jan 29, 2009 12:41:29pm

re: #314 WriterMom

A Freudian whip? I mean...slip...


It's all Oedipal. . .

323 WriterMom  Thu, Jan 29, 2009 12:42:26pm

re: #314 WriterMom

No-not really. I just play one on LGF.

324 Joan  Thu, Jan 29, 2009 12:47:04pm

re: #38 subsailor68

I have to go now. This is a juggernaut, a coup d'etat

"This is the case, there is no other case, this is the case." Freedom of Speech is freedom. We need a war chest, and warriors.

Shit.

When's the conference, the muster, the getting angry and seriously worried enough to prepare for the fight? We have to fight this battle, before any hope can obtain for the future

325 BatGuano  Thu, Jan 29, 2009 12:50:09pm

re: #322 DisturbedEma

From memory:

"So be sweet and kind to mother,
sit down have a chat,
buy her flowers and some candy or a brand new hat,
but maybe you'd better let it go at that!
Or you might wind up like Oedipus (I'd rather marry a duck billed platypus) than wind up like Oedipus Rex!"

Thank you. I'll be here all the week

326 Joan  Thu, Jan 29, 2009 12:50:55pm

re: #90 Dustyvet

Link?
Link, letters, we have to raise holy hell about this. It is beyond imagination, they're setting this Prom King up to be Big Brother. F&*ck this shit, this is freakish and wrong and anti-American.

327 Joan  Thu, Jan 29, 2009 12:53:06pm

re: #321 jpkoch

plausible. much sooner though--the Somali pirates are now defacto jihad

328 Kenneth  Thu, Jan 29, 2009 12:53:18pm

re: #317 avanti

Now you have a cover up scandal to exploit. Just prove the British paper was correct and the White House lied.

No, that's a little too much like the Democrats way of behaving. Obviously, the Obama administration is preparing their policy & approach to dealing with Iran. Some word of it leaked out to the media. Somebody wrote what he thought that was all about, stirring in other "expert" opinions and hunches borrowed over a pint at the pub. That's the way journalists work. So while I don't take the report as gospel, there is certainly some truth to it. We shall have to wait & see exactly what Obama does do.

329 BatGuano  Thu, Jan 29, 2009 12:59:36pm

re: #326 Joan

When can we seriously start making the Obama Hitler comparisons. I am just asking.

330 Kenneth  Thu, Jan 29, 2009 1:01:49pm

re: #213 avanti

The author of that op-ed piece, Does Barack Obama have Iran's number? does have some interesting speculations about Obama's foreign policy, but he is mistaken about the political realities in Iran. He imagines Khatami is a legitimate reformer, who if he is elected, might shift the policies or behavior of the Islamic Republic. That is false. The Iranian presidency is of limited power. All the real power is in the Council of Guardians, especially in the senior mullah, the Ayatollah Seyyed Ali Khamene'i. The president of the day is chosen to suit the strategy of the mullahs. They have calculated that Obama will be better manipulated by a so-called reformer.

It is the Iranians who have Obama's number.

331 ceemack  Thu, Jan 29, 2009 1:05:31pm

We told Ahmadinejad he looks like an idiot walking around with his top button buttoned but no tie. He didn't listen to us.

Why would we expect him to listen to us about anything else?

332 Joan  Thu, Jan 29, 2009 1:30:30pm

re: #318 BatGuano

It has been decades since I read that--the title is always with me, it is one of the great titles, isn't it; was it Harry Turtledove? Who? (thanks)

333 Joan  Thu, Jan 29, 2009 1:36:14pm

re: #329 BatGuano

well, bat--it is a free country. IMO, that particular comparison is worse than useless. Ridicule, less--alarm, inevitable; Hitler--useless. Feels good, but useless.

Besides, the Prom King's a warbler, not a warrior. I liked a post earlier this week, someone envisioned B.O. dithering around the beach at Normandy, shrieking, "Arrest that man! Arrest that man!" each time a shot was fired

;)

334 nanook  Thu, Jan 29, 2009 1:54:50pm

re: #325 BatGuano

Tom Lehrer?

335 winston06  Thu, Jan 29, 2009 2:03:46pm

re: #308 winston06

Also forgot to mention the fact that Obama's naive gestures will go down in Tehran as a sign of defeat not good will. Obamble is going to kill us all

336 NYCHardhat  Thu, Jan 29, 2009 2:35:15pm

Help me, I am in hell.

337 winston06  Thu, Jan 29, 2009 3:02:55pm

re: #39 Cognito

what whackiness? care to explain?


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