Krauthammer: Obama Distorts America’s Stance on Muslims

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Charles Krauthammer gets it exactly right in today’s column, on Barack Obama’s embarrassing interview with Al Arabiya: Obama Distorts America’s Stance on Muslims.

Every new president flatters himself that he, kinder and gentler, is beginning the world anew. Yet, when Barack Obama in his inaugural address reached out to Muslims by saying “to the Muslim world, we seek a new way forward, based on mutual interest and mutual respect,” his formulation was needlessly defensive and apologetic.

Is it “new” to acknowledge Muslim interests and show respect to the Muslim world? Obama doesn’t just think so, he said so again to millions in his al-Arabiya interview, insisting on the need to “restore” the “same respect and partnership that America had with the Muslim world as recently as 20 or 30 years ago.”

Astonishing. In these most recent 20 years — the alleged winter of our disrespect of the Islamic world — America did not just respect Muslims, it bled for them. It engaged in five military campaigns, every one of which involved — and resulted in — the liberation of a Muslim people: Bosnia, Kosovo, Kuwait, Afghanistan and Iraq.

The two Balkan interventions — as well as the failed 1992-93 Somalia intervention to feed starving African Muslims (43 Americans were killed) — were humanitarian exercises of the highest order, there being no significant U.S. strategic interest at stake. In these 20 years, this nation has done more for suffering and oppressed Muslims than any nation, Muslim or non-Muslim, anywhere on Earth. Why are we apologizing?

This is what we teach children—to apologize when they’re wrong. Obama seems to believe that Mahmoud Ahmadinejad and the mullahs of Iran are just like us, basically good at heart, and only need to hear the right combination of soothing apologies to lead them back to the path of righteousness. This is an infantile, dangerous approach to dealing with truly evil people, and it’s a lesson America is apparently going to need to learn—again.

UPDATE at 1/30/09 9:02:58 am:

LGF’s “Occasional Reader” has a great take on this:

I’ve run this through the Universal Translator. It comes back: “Here’s my lunch money, please don’t hit me.”

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449 comments
1 rawmuse  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 8:54:25am

Nothing pleases a Democrat like going down on your knees to a tyrant.

2 opinionated  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 8:55:07am

As a companion piece read Caroline Glick.

Honest Obama and Iran

[Link: www.jpost.com…]

3 Adrenalyn  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 8:56:12am

and 30 years ago America (thanks Jimmah) surrendered to Iran, for the first time

0bama does it again

hey, is it the 30th anniversary of the embassy takeover yet ?

4 Ben Hur  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 8:56:42am

Obama supports Arab totalitarian dictatoships.

One of the REAL reasons they hate us.

5 Blue Pinky  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 8:57:17am

Kudos to Krauthammer for not letting his meeting with Obama cloud his judgment. Too many would be falling over themselves trying to find something to praise about the president that invited them to dinner. Or was it lunch?

6 LGoPs  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 8:57:20am

I love CK. He is one of the smartest men in America.

7 jwb7605  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 8:57:30am

Jimmy Carter philosophy, version 2.0.
I refuse to surrender my self esteem this time.

8 wrenchwench  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 8:57:30am

I read this on the local rag’s website this morning, and I was looking for the place to upding it.

9 Lively  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 8:57:39am

World tyrants are laughing under their breath.

10 dhg4  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 8:57:51am

I’d add this article by Amir Taheri as an excellent companion too. Writing about the Taheri piece, Yaacov Lozowick concludes:

According to all reports Obama is an unusually intelligent man, widely read. The fact that his first pronouncement on the recent history of the Middle East could have been refuted with ease by anyone who’s been reading newspapers and remembering their content for the period he’s pronouncing on, is mildly worrisome.

11 phoenixgirl  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 8:57:54am

OBAMA WANTS US TO GET BACK TO THE KIND OF RELATIONSHIP WE HAD WITH MUSLIM COUNTRIES 20-30 YRS AGO! TEHRAN, 1979

12 nyc redneck  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 8:57:57am

o may have gone to columbia and harvard but he did NOT get an education.
did he ever read a history book or a psychology book.
or did he just keep himself immersed in “rules for radicals”?

13 Ben Hur  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 8:58:01am

Obama’s campaign, politics and now presidency are not based in reality.

They are based in perception.

14 J Doc  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 8:58:12am

Having participated in 2 of the 5 operations, I have always wondered why we don’t get more credit for our actions on behalf of Muslims worldwide. OBTW, Afghanistan should have a (2) by it. It seems to me that without our covert support, the Mujahadin would have lost to the soviets.

15 Adrenalyn  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 8:58:19am

the quote:
Obama doesn’t just think so, he said so again to millions in his al-Arabiya interview,

I would change to:
Obama doesn’t just think so, he said so again to HIS millions in his al-Arabiya interview,

16 opinionated  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 8:58:20am

Remember you worst fears when you contemplated Obama as President?

It’s going to be worse.

17 MJ  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 8:58:31am

Also read:

Fouad Ajami’s

Obama Tells Arabia’s Despots They’re Safe

[Link: online.wsj.com…]

18 turn  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 8:58:39am

I think I’ll go back and upding OR’s comment yesterday about running this interview through the Universal Translator, that was classic.

19 bloodnok  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 8:59:02am

Muslim World: I retract my 1/305,714,343 share of that apology.

20 Ben Hur  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 8:59:12am

re: #17 MJ

Also read:

Fouad Ajami’s

Obama Tells Arabia’s Despots They’re Safe

[Link: online.wsj.com…]

Great article.

I will beat that horse for the next 4 years.

21 gclaghorn  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 8:59:20am

Well, in Obama’s defense, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad was a nut when Obama was only 43.

/

22 Adrenalyn  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 8:59:40am

re: #19 bloodnok

Muslim World: I retract my 1/305,714,343 share of that apology.


me too !

23 Bumr50  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 9:00:02am

I keep hearing how smart Obama is.

If he keeps this touchy-feely line up, he’s going to have to delve into media censorship pretty deep. It’s difficult to keep these militants from exposing themselves for what they really are.

Then again, the “masses” are pretty gullible.

24 Dustyvet  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 9:00:08am

re: #16 opinionated

Remember you worst fears when you contemplated Obama as President?

It’s going to be worse.

Much worse…

25 Nevergiveup  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 9:00:20am

re: #16 opinionated

Remember you worst fears when you contemplated Obama as President?

It’s going to be worse.


Well mine was that I would end up burned to a crisp in a nuclear explosion on American soil. It can get worse?

26 bloodnok  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 9:00:28am

re: #22 Adrenalyn

me too !

Not In My Name! /

27 Cathypop  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 9:00:56am

Krauthammer has written a wonderful article but of course the dems will nat pay attention to it. Their loss.

28 Lively  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 9:00:56am

re: #11 phoenixgirl

OBAMA WANTS US TO GET BACK TO THE KIND OF RELATIONSHIP WE HAD WITH MUSLIM COUNTRIES 20-30 YRS AGO! TEHRAN, 1979

No wonder Jimmah loves him.

29 opinionated  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 9:00:58am

It’s not hard to understand why Obama doesn’t know actual history, everything he knows about the World he learned at the knees of Wright and Ayers and Rashid Khalidi.

30 subsailor68  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 9:01:01am

Another interesting companion piece is:

Oliver North’s Column

Money quote:

Mr. Obama could have mentioned the Iraqi elections in his “first formal television interview” — given Monday to Hisham Melhem of the Saudi-owned, United Arab Emirates-based Al-Arabiya satellite network. Regrettably, he never mentioned it.

North mirrors, and complements the Krauthammer question, “Why are we apologizing?”

31 dhg4  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 9:01:17am

re: #14 J Doc

Having participated in 2 of the 5 operations, I have always wondered why we don’t get more credit for our actions on behalf of Muslims worldwide. OBTW, Afghanistan should have a (2) by it. It seems to me that without our covert support, the Mujahadin would have lost to the soviets.

Because as a society we’re so consumed by a need to be loved. (Or at least some segments of our society.)

32 VegasRick  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 9:01:18am

re: #19 bloodnok

Muslim World: I retract my 1/305,714,343 share of that apology.

Can you please grab mine while you are there, oh and my five kids as well. Thanks.

33 debutaunt  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 9:01:28am

re: #13 Ben Hur

Obama’s campaign, politics and now presidency are not based in reality.

They are based in perception.

Exactly! You cannot fake reality - it needs a blatant perception twist to make this crap work.

34 yma o hyd  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 9:01:48am

re: #2 opinionated

As a companion piece read Caroline Glick.

Honest Obama and Iran

[Link: www.jpost.com…]

Necessarry reading, thanks!

From her article:
‘In the age of Honest Obama, Israel is alone in recognizing the necessity of preventing Iran from acquiring the means to destroy the Jewish state. Consequently, Netanyahu’s government will need to proceed with all deliberate speed to take whatever actions are necessary to prevent Israel’s destruction.’

Dark times ahead, not just for Israel …

35 jcbunga  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 9:02:42am

With each passing day it becomes more and more obvious that these bastards don’t have a f*cking clue what they’re doing or what damage will result.

36 RaiderDan  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 9:02:44am

The Jew-hating comments on the WashPost Web site are just chilling. More proof that the Post is home for the Ray McGovern Israel-hating types in elite academia and journalism.

37 phoenixgirl  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 9:02:50am

how many more days do we need to put up with this?

38 OldLineTexan  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 9:02:56am

When this first came out, with that 20-30 year remark in it, I wondered why it was that no one in the Obama administration could do MATH.

2009-30 = 1979

Was Obama only eight when we had HOSTAGES taken by Iran? I think not, since Obama and I are about the same age, and I am well aware of the significance of 1979.

That is terminal stupidity, IMO.

39 turn  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 9:03:10am

Hey why quibble over this, he won.
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40 [deleted]  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 9:03:25am
41 Sharmuta  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 9:03:41am

0bama wants us to respect the muslims- except the ones in Iraq living in a democracy we helped to establish.

No- in Iraq he wants to cut and run knowing full well that it will only help those who want to undermine real peace, freedom and security for the Iraqi people.

Seek a new way forward, based on mutual interest and mutual respect, indeed!

42 FrogMarch  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 9:03:50am

Obama is the new and improved Jimmy Carter. Enlightened with rhetorical flourishes and self-loathing.

43 Macker  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 9:04:05am

re: #25 Nevergiveup

Well mine was that I would end up burned to a crisp in a nuclear explosion on American soil. It can get worse?

Yeah, БХО voting “Present” at said event.

44 LGoPs  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 9:04:30am

Really now that I think of it, what better opportunity could there have been for Obama to do a quiet, reasoned recitation of all those interventions America has done for Muslims in the past 30 years.
It would have been hard for Al Arabiya to filter that out and the message would have gotten out.
Such a wasted opportunity……
Problem is that Obama is not the man to deliver that message.

45 Achilles Tang  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 9:04:30am

While I agree with the OP, I feel I must say that with regard to “Obama seems to believe that Mahmoud Ahmadinejad and the mullahs of Iran are just like us, basically good at heart, and just need to hear the right combination of words to lead them back to the path of righteousness. “, President Bush made much the same mistake with Iraqis. He seemed to think because they had a few biological and nuclear scientists speaking English on the payroll, that they had to have a civilized society underneath.

/

46 subsailor68  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 9:04:33am

re: #39 turn

Hey why quibble over this, he won.
/////////////

Let’s hope it’s not a

Pyrrhic Victory

47 DeafDog  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 9:04:37am

re: #14 J Doc

Having participated in 2 of the 5 operations, I have always wondered why we don’t get more credit for our actions on behalf of Muslims worldwide. OBTW, Afghanistan should have a (2) by it. It seems to me that without our covert support, the Mujahadin would have lost to the soviets.

I have a theory - Muslims world-wide are almost all controlled by brutal dictators who have a vested interest in keeping the perceptions that America as anti-Muslim. So the state-controlled media plays the party line.

What is truely disgsusting, IMO, is that the American media plays the same game. What the military (and Bush) has done for Iraq is truely great. Eventually, that greatness will shine through the propoganda.

48 lawhawk  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 9:04:42am

While I agree with Krauthammer in general, I strenuously disagree with Krauthammer on one key and vital area:

The two Balkan interventions — as well as the failed 1992-93 Somalia intervention to feed starving African Muslims (43 Americans were killed) — were humanitarian exercises of the highest order, there being no significant U.S. strategic interest at stake.

Failed states are where terrorist groups like al Qaeda operate with impunity, knowing that they can operate outside the law (no law enforcement to worry about in the lawless regions of Yemen, Somalia, Afghanistan, Pakistan, etc.)

Failed states are an incubator for jihadis, and bringing law and order to such regions are of utmost concern if you want to limit the reach of terrorist groups like al Qaeda. It means engaging in peacemaking operations to root out terror regimes and warlords who rule the area, engage in piracy and other human rights degradations.

The two concepts of humanitarian aid and strategic interest are not as separate and distinct as Krauthammer makes it out to be. Note that al Qaeda’s ranks are made up of people from those regions - Somalia, Yemen, Afghanistan, and Pakistan, precisely because they can operate freely. They flocked to Iraq hoping to repeat their successes elsewhere and thwart US ambitions to turn Iraq into something better - a functioning government that is answerable to the people. Al Qaeda lost that war because they took to murdering the very people they were hoping to sway to their side. The barbarian streak shines through, and its one that is cultivated in those lawless failed states and regions.

49 gclaghorn  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 9:04:51am

re: #37 phoenixgirl

how many more days do we need to put up with this?

Approximately 1,373. I’m counting down the days.

50 karmic_inquisitor  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 9:05:02am

American “respect” for Muslims 20 to 30 years ago consisted of enriching and protecting despots while fanning ethnic hatreds to keep them busy fighting each other. Oil wealth went to weapons systems and luxury goods and average citizens got poorer or go conscripted into armies that would clear mine fields my marching over them.

That is some idealist we have in the white house.

51 Ben Hur  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 9:05:07am

9-11 WORKED.

52 Sharmuta  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 9:05:26am

0bama hates the Iraqis.

53 opinionated  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 9:05:42am

re: #39 turn

he won.
/////////////

America lost.

54 doppelganglander  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 9:05:47am

Obama is apologizing for liberating umpteen million Muslims because freedom is exactly what Ahmadinejad, the mad mullahs, the Fraudis and the rest of them DON’T want for their people. Islam is not compatible with democracy, and they know it. He’s basically telling them not to worry, that under his administration they can retain power, continue to oppress their people, and even develop nuclear weapons, and he won’t do a damn thing about it.

55 VegasRick  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 9:05:48am

re: #32 VegasRick

Can you please grab mine while you are there, oh and my five kids little infidels as well. Thanks.

Had to fix my own.

56 Bobblehead  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 9:05:58am

re: #1 rawmuse

Nothing pleases a Democrat like going down on your knees to a tyrant.

It’s not just getting down on their knees, it’s what they do once they are down there.
We Americans, present company excluded, have very short attention spans. I do hope it doesn’t take a tragedy multiple times the size of 9/11 to concentrate that attention on the hatred these people have for our country and everything we stand for.

57 DeafDog  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 9:06:07am

re: #16 opinionated

Remember you worst fears when you contemplated Obama as President?

It’s going to be worse.

Yeah. Remember that lady who asked McCain whether she should be afraid of an Obama presidency and McCain tried to ease her fears?

I always thought McCain should have answered that question differently.

58 lawhawk  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 9:06:15am

re: #17 MJ

I’d say that Obama essentially told all the world’s despots and dictators they’re safe for the next four years. That’s why you’ve got Chavez and Castro both crowing and other tinpot dictators comfortable in the knowledge that Obama isn’t going to upset their apple carts either.

59 Brisco County  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 9:06:17am

Is that all it took? Being nice? Man, Bush really was an idiot!

By year two, Iran will have capitalized on the naivety of America’s leadership and Democrats will have egg on their face.

60 Sharmuta  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 9:06:17am

re: #50 karmic_inquisitor

American “respect” for Muslims 20 to 30 years ago consisted of enriching and protecting despots while fanning ethnic hatreds to keep them busy fighting each other. Oil wealth went to weapons systems and luxury goods and average citizens got poorer or go conscripted into armies that would clear mine fields my marching over them.

That is some idealist we have in the white house.

Respect that history, and fuck the Iraqis.

61 My 2 Cents  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 9:06:33am

So now what can we do? Build fallout shelters? Buy firearms and ammunition? Move to remote areas and barricade ourselves? Thanks a lot, Barack!

62 turn  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 9:06:34am

re: #35 jcbunga

With each passing day it becomes more and more obvious that these bastards don’t have a f*cking clue what they’re doing or what damage will result.

Of course you’re right but they don’t care. They think they can just spend their way out of any problems that come about. Things are turning out even worse than I anticipated.

63 Bumr50  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 9:06:44am

re: #14 J Doc

Hi! I’ve been wanting to post this to someone whose been close to Pakistan to see if much of it is like in the video.
I’m not sure if it’s been posted here before.

64 Quintus_Arius  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 9:07:17am

Most people that voted for Obama had no idea what he was about. All they knew is that he was running as a Democrat and he wasn’t George W. Bush.

Most people who voted for McCain knew who he was, a Republican, and wasn’t Barack Obama.

The next four years will be difficult. The Republicans need a leader to nationalize the 2010 election.

65 turn  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 9:07:42am

re: #46 subsailor68

Let’s hope it’s not a

Pyrrhic Victory

I learn something here everyday, thanks.

66 shiek al beif salami  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 9:07:50am

re: #48 lawhawk

The elephant-in-the-room question is why most failed states are Muslim?

67 Adrenalyn  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 9:07:52am

re: #61 My 2 Cents

So now what can we do? Build fallout shelters? Buy firearms and ammunition? Move to remote areas and barricade ourselves? Thanks a lot, Barack!

check !

done that, next question please

68 Ben Hur  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 9:08:03am
And America listened. In these seven years since Sept. 11 — seven years during which thousands of Muslims rioted all over the world (resulting in the death of more than 100) to avenge a bunch of cartoons — there’s not been a single anti-Muslim riot in the United States to avenge the massacre of 3,000 innocents. On the contrary. In its aftermath, we elected our first Muslim member of Congress and our first president of Muslim parentage.
69 bulwrk  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 9:08:08am

re: #37 phoenixgirl

Too many

70 Fat Jolly Penguin  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 9:08:24am

I especially like this part:

Every president has the right to portray himself as ushering in a new era of this or that. Obama wants to pursue new ties with Muslim nations, drawing on his own identity and associations. Good. But when his self-inflation as redeemer of U.S.-Muslim relations leads him to suggest that pre-Obama America was disrespectful or insensitive or uncaring of Muslims, he is engaging not just in fiction but in gratuitous disparagement of the country he is now privileged to lead.

71 opinionated  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 9:08:28am

re: #57 DeafDog

Yeah. Remember that lady who asked McCain whether she should be afraid of an Obama presidency and McCain tried to ease her fears?

I always thought McCain should have answered that question differently.

McCain was terrified of the reaction of those with tingles up their legs.

72 Ben Hur  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 9:08:29am
To hammer in the point, he recalled the Muslim part of his own family background and his childhood in Muslim Indonesia - a topic he’d carefully avoided during the campaign. He also asserted that America is a land of “Muslims, Christians, Jews” and others - making sure to mention Muslims first.

Taheri article

73 lawhawk  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 9:09:16am

re: #51 Ben Hur

It was a massive failure. al Qaeda thought the US wouldn’t respond as it did. Al Qaeda got pounded and lost Afghanistan as a safe haven; they’re on the run there and in neighboring provinces of Pakistan. Their top leaders have to hide in caves and are limited to making audio press releases from the great beyond. They lost in Iraq, despite the best efforts of the Democrats to assist in their victory over US forces there. Losing Iraq is a huge failure on their part, since the infidel US has struck at the heart of the Muslim world and is laying the groundwork for strategic partnerships for years to come (unless Obama unravels all that hard fought work).

74 yma o hyd  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 9:09:18am

re: #54 doppelganglander

Obama is apologizing for liberating umpteen million Muslims because freedom is exactly what Ahmadinejad, the mad mullahs, the Fraudis and the rest of them DON’T want for their people. Islam is not compatible with democracy, and they know it. He’s basically telling them not to worry, that under his administration they can retain power, continue to oppress their people, and even develop nuclear weapons, and he won’t do a damn thing about it.

Yep.
But what will he do when they actually use these weapons?
Or does he really think his aim of abolishing all nuclear armaments,a cross the world, will work?

He sure is a tad megalomanic if he believes he’s only got to speak and the World will do what he says.

PB0, you’re not the World’s community organiser!

75 jwb7605  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 9:09:28am

re: #66 shiek al beif salami

The elephant-in-the-room question is why most failed states are Muslim?

I don’t think that is confined to Muslim states.
Example: Venezuela, etc.

76 OldLineTexan  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 9:09:34am

The Obama silver lining is that once we finish surrendering to the Islamist world, they can go back to killing each other. Ah, the good old days when Iran and Iraq vied to be the regional power.

I will say it again: When Saddam invaded Kuwait, we should have ASKED the Saudis what THEY intended to do about it, and prepared to deal with Saddam like every other bloody dictator we ever encountered: trade with him if he won.

No American troops on the peninsula. Maybe a task force in the Gulf with orders to shoot.

77 dhg4  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 9:09:42am

re: #48 lawhawk

While I agree with Krauthammer in general, I strenuously disagree with Krauthammer on one key and vital area:

Failed states are an incubator for jihadis, and bringing law and order to such regions are of utmost concern if you want to limit the reach of terrorist groups like al Qaeda. It means engaging in peacemaking operations to root out terror regimes and warlords who rule the area, engage in piracy and other human rights degradations.

The two concepts of humanitarian aid and strategic interest are not as separate and distinct as Krauthammer makes it out to be. Note that al Qaeda’s ranks are made up of people from those regions - Somalia, Yemen, Afghanistan, and Pakistan, precisely because they can operate freely. They flocked to Iraq hoping to repeat their successes elsewhere and thwart US ambitions to turn Iraq into something better - a functioning government that is answerable to the people. Al Qaeda lost that war because they took to murdering the very people they were hoping to sway to their side. The barbarian streak shines through, and its one that is cultivated in those lawless failed states and regions.

Good point. I missed that. Krauthammer opposed those intervention on precisely those grounds. But it’s not 1992 anymore.

For all the talk about how George W. Bush never changed his mind, this was one of the most important ways he did so. As candidate he mocked the idea of nation building, but his tenure in office will be judged for how well his efforts at national building turn out.

Still it’s possible that Krauthammer described them like that because he was trying to emphasize that the United States was primarily driven by humanitarian concerns for Muslims, rather than strategic interests.

78 Sharmuta  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 9:09:50am

0bama wants to coddle the mullahs and screw the Iraqis.

He respects thugs and not free people.

This is true in the middle east and just a wee bit closer to home too.

79 VegasRick  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 9:10:08am

re: #57 DeafDog

Yeah. Remember that lady who asked McCain whether she should be afraid of an Obama presidency and McCain tried to ease her fears?

I always thought McCain should have answered that question differently.

That was one of the saddest days of his sad campaign.

80 [deleted]  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 9:10:15am
81 MJ  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 9:10:22am

re: #48 lawhawk

Failed states are where terrorist groups like al Qaeda operate with impunity, knowing that they can operate outside the law (no law enforcement to worry about in the lawless regions of Yemen, Somalia, Afghanistan, Pakistan, etc.)

Failed states are an incubator for jihadis, and bringing law and order to such regions are of utmost concern if you want to limit the reach of terrorist groups like al Qaeda. It means engaging in peacemaking operations to root out terror regimes and warlords who rule the area, engage in piracy and other human rights degradations.


The problem with your argument is that there are very few Muslim States which also couldn’t be classified as “failed States”. Even those States which aren’t generally classified as “failed” States supply the Jihad with many volunteers…Saudi Arabia comes to mind.

82 jwb7605  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 9:10:55am

re: #79 VegasRick

That was one of the saddest days of his sad campaign.

That was the day he gave up trying to win.

83 lawhawk  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 9:11:24am

re: #66 shiek al beif salami

The elephant-in-the-room question is why most failed states are Muslim?

Quick answer - Sharia.

Longer answer - Sharia and dictatorships and despots don’t care about they people they rule, and ruling with an iron fist using socialist and Marxist economic theories, combined with hateful anti-Israel propaganda means that all their leaders failures inure to someone other than themselves. They project their failings on to others, taking no responsibility for themselves, and the regimes provide outlets in the form of madrassas and terror camps that they enable and allow to flourish so long as the terror is directed elsewhere - Israel, the US and the West.

84 MandyManners  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 9:11:25am

re: #23 Bumr50

I keep hearing how smart Obama is.

If he keeps this touchy-feely line up, he’s going to have to delve into media censorship pretty deep. It’s difficult to keep these militants from exposing themselves for what they really are.

Then again, the “masses” are pretty gullible.

Fairness Doctrine?

85 subsailor68  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 9:11:27am

re: #65 turn

I learn something here everyday, thanks.

I do too! (Saw the sarc tags on your post, but there was a lot of truth there too.)

:-)

86 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 9:11:31am

re: #48 lawhawk

While I agree with Krauthammer in general, I strenuously disagree with Krauthammer on one key and vital area:

Failed states are where terrorist groups like al Qaeda operate with impunity, knowing that they can operate outside the law (no law enforcement to worry about in the lawless regions of Yemen, Somalia, Afghanistan, Pakistan, etc.)

You forgot the failed state of Detroit.
/sorta

87 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 9:11:36am

re: #35 jcbunga

With each passing day it becomes more and more obvious that these bastards don’t have a f*cking clue what they’re doing or what damage will result.

Ok, just my opinion, but framing the question as above, takes part of the blame off of the politicians.

No!

With each passing day it becomes more obvious that they DO have a clue to what they are doing, they are doing just what they want to, what they told us they will do, what they have been doing for years and what they will continue to do.

88 karmic_inquisitor  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 9:11:37am

Obama’s message to the world -

You know that “unclench your fist” bit? I didn’t really mean that.”

89 dhg4  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 9:12:19am

re: #80 Iron Fist

“Mildly worrisome”? Mildly worrisome? I guess that it is slightly worrisome when a whacked out junkie puts a gun to your head and demands your wallet.

Yeah, that’s just a little bit worrisome.

I think Lozowick has a gift for understatement.

90 calcajun  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 9:12:37am

Funny, my universal translator’s version of the statement keeps coming back as, “Not in the face! Not in the face!” I might not have the most recent upgrade.

92 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 9:12:49am

re: #66 shiek al beif salami

The elephant-in-the-room question is why most failed states are Muslim?

Half of their potential work-force, the women, are confined to a state of de facto house-arrest.

93 jorline  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 9:12:51am
I’ve run this through the Universal Translator. It comes back: “Here’s my lunch money, please don’t hit me.”


Occasional Reader

OR…that’s one of the funniest lines I’ve heard in a long time.

94 lawhawk  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 9:13:35am

re: #81 MJ

Pakistan is a failed state, even though it has nuclear weapons. It can’t even control its own territory - the frontier provinces are Taliban infested and the Taliban control Swat. Yemen allows terrorists free reign as does Somalia and Sudan.

95 Pullus Iulius  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 9:13:51am

Their hats aren’t even that fancy, and this president is in a frenzy of bowing and scraping. What’ll it do when the Chinese start calling in their markers?

96 Spare O'Lake  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 9:13:53am

It concerns me that many brilliant people have concluded that the President of the USA is a weak, ignorant, cowardly, dhimmified socialist.
A lot.

97 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 9:14:25am

re: #80 Iron Fist

“Mildly worrisome”? Mildly worrisome? I guess that it is slightly worrisome when a whacked out junkie puts a gun to your head and demands your wallet.

Yeah, that’s just a little bit worrisome.

You just described Obama’s “stimulus package!”

98 rawmuse  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 9:14:25am

re: #92 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Half of their potential work-force, the women, are confined to a state of de facto house-arrest.

And the rest of them read really well, but only that one book!

99 VegasRick  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 9:14:29am

re: #91 phoenixgirl

list of attacks on America from our muslim friends from 1979-2001

And numbnuts wants to get us back to that. What an asshole.

100 LGoPs  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 9:14:44am

re: #78 Sharmuta

0bama wants to coddle the mullahs and screw the Iraqis.

He respects thugs and not free people.

This is true in the middle east and just a wee bit closer to home too.

That is not inconsistent with leftist thought. Happens here at home too, with undue concern for criminals at the expense of law abiding citizens.
I know I’m just stating the obvious.
Just don’t understand how those thought processes are formed….

101 Randall Gross  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 9:14:46am

During the campaign:

“Just words? Words Mean Something”

After the campaign…

“Freedom’s just another word…”

102 DeafDog  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 9:15:10am

re: #79 VegasRick

That was one of the saddest days of his sad campaign.

I’m not a basher of the whole campaign. I thought he did the best that he could do. Unfortunately for him, he was ill-equipped to talk about domestic policy and when the economy became the main issue, he couldn’t cope well enough. It’s water under the bridge now. I’m glad he’s standing up - finally - to this stimulous nonsense.

103 subsailor68  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 9:15:14am

re: #94 lawhawk

Pakistan is a failed state, even though it has nuclear weapons. It can’t even control its own territory - the frontier provinces are Taliban infested and the Taliban control Swat. Yemen allows terrorists free reign as does Somalia and Sudan.

Man, you’ve sure got that right. You could replace “even though” with “and” - and it’s even more frightening.

104 MandyManners  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 9:15:17am

I hope all those who didn’t vote for McCain because he wasn’t conservative enough are fucking happy now.

105 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 9:15:23am

re: #58 lawhawk

I’d say that Obama essentially told all the world’s despots and dictators they’re safe for the next four years. That’s why you’ve got Chavez and Castro both crowing and other tinpot dictators comfortable in the knowledge that Obama isn’t going to upset their apple carts either.

I’m afraid that The 0ne and the Democrats are bringing us to a one-party system that is a lot like those of these tin-plated dictators.

It’s like we just had a coup, or really, a surrender.
Why didn’t McCain actually run?

106 yma o hyd  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 9:15:27am

re: #96 Spare O’Lake

It concerns me that many brilliant people have concluded that the President of the USA is a weak, ignorant, cowardly, dhimmified socialist.
A lot.

And that it only took him ten days in Office for those people to realise that.

Mind - Lizards knew this a long time ago!

107 Spiny Norman  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 9:15:28am

Someone should remind Barry that if he doesn’t want to be just a one-term failed President like Jimmah Cahtah, groveling and apologizing to Muslim despots and tin-pot potentates is no way to do business.

108 JonathanD  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 9:15:30am

After this kick in the teeth, I need to see that video Charles posted a while back of some musician’s kids singing to raise my spirits. Anyone recall who it was? Surely…

109 OldLineTexan  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 9:15:48am

re: #101 Thanos

During the campaign:

“Just words? Words Mean Something”

After the campaign…

“Freedom’s just another word…”

for nothing left to lose.

Looks like that’s his goal… the ultimate freedom of humiliation and defeat.

110 samsgran1948  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 9:15:50am

It’s only been ten days since the Messiah’s elevation to God-Pharoah, and we have already been reduced to quivering penitents groveling before the altar of Islam.

It’s gonna be a lo-o-o-ng four years.

111 TMRiddle  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 9:16:14am

I haven’t seen anything to suggest the policies that will be used to go after nutjobs is going to change under the new President. The closing of Gitmo is the one semi-irresponsible thing and that I can’t speak on yet as it will take a year to see if we’re releasing the scumbags back into the wild.

I think if he does no worse than he has done at present, the country under his tenure will be alright. Iraq was a success that luckily won’t need a President with a backbone to finish. He can pretend to be bringing them home while leaving a residual force and likely risk little. His foray into deciding to send more troops into the worst country in the ME outside Saudi Arabia may very well be his Waterloo, however (assuming we use the imaginary Obama track record of accomplishments). Afghanistan’s a clusterf&*k of a cookie I don’t think even our men can handle. As for Pah-kee-stan, we’ll see - my guess is that place is about to go ballistic and the idea of striking inside their territory while they have extremists ready to take over is potentially a boneheaded move.

As for domestic issues, I’ve already made my feelings on that clear. If we could have two different positions concerning their implementation, I’d give the foreign office to someone like Romney and the interior to a dem. Just how I swing, sorry :P.

112 MandyManners  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 9:16:23am

Where’s Avanti? I wanna’ see him spin this.

113 Fat Jolly Penguin  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 9:16:29am

re: #104 MandyManners

I hope all those who didn’t vote for McCain because he wasn’t conservative enough are fucking happy now.

Say that as often as you like. I’ll keep up-dinging it.

114 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 9:16:48am

re: #90 calcajun

Funny, my universal translator’s version of the statement keeps coming back as, “Not in the face! Not in the face!” I might not have the most recent upgrade.

Mine said “ne cassez pas mes lunettes” (“do not break my eyeglasses”), but I bought my translator in France.

115 Sharmuta  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 9:16:58am

I Pledge….

to continue to state 0bama hates the Iraqis.

There is absolutely no understandable reason why 0bama would want to pull our support from Iraq yet reach out to iran. A newly free people getting tossed under the bus so he can play kissy face with thugs. I doubt this bus toss will have the miraculous, unscathed re-emergence that Samantha Power enjoyed. The Iraqis will be fucked, and he knows it.

116 phoenixgirl  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 9:17:01am

re: #104 MandyManners

I hope all those who didn’t vote for McCain because he wasn’t conservative enough are fucking happy now.

i hope everyone who voted “o” without doing their homework well i don’t really want to be deleted so fill in the blank yourself…..and the ones who did pay attention and voted for him anyway can go to hell

117 Cathypop  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 9:17:13am

re: #104 MandyManners

I hope all those who didn’t vote for McCain because he wasn’t conservative enough are fucking happy now.


Keep it up Mandy because we all looking at 4 years of teenagers in the white house. They may have a plan and they may be smart but they still remind me of spoiled rotten teenagers!

118 subsailor68  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 9:17:17am

re: #112 MandyManners

Where’s Avanti? I wanna’ see him spin this.

Ick. Do we have to?

:-)

119 Golem Akbar  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 9:17:17am

re: #104 MandyManners

I hope all those who didn’t vote for McCain because he wasn’t conservative enough are fucking happy now.

This ought to be a wake-up call to all so-called conservatives looking for the pure candidate. [even those that walk on water still look for the stepping stones that others can’t see]

120 jcm  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 9:17:31am

re: #112 MandyManners

Where’s Avanti? I wanna’ see him spin this.

Krauthammer has taken Obama out of context.
/avanti

121 Achilles Tang  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 9:17:50am

re: #64 Quintus_Arius

Most people that voted for Obama had no idea what he was about. All they knew is that he was running as a Democrat and he wasn’t George W. Bush.

Most people who voted for McCain knew who he was, a Republican, and wasn’t Barack Obama.

The next four years will be difficult. The Republicans need a leader to nationalize the 2010 election.

Palin isn’t going to do it.

122 DeafDog  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 9:18:00am

re: #112 MandyManners

Where’s Avanti? I wanna’ see him spin this.

WWAP?

123 wahabicorridor  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 9:18:04am

re: #14 J Doc

Thank you for your service.

124 Wishing  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 9:18:13am

re: #113 Fat Jolly Penguin

Say that as often as you like. I’ll keep up-dinging it.

Me too.

125 OldLineTexan  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 9:18:16am

re: #111 TMRiddle

For the Dark Lord, you seem a little wishy-washy.

Obama has accomplished taking over OUR Ministry of Magic, and we have no Harry Potter, no magic wand, not so much as a mother’s love to save us.

126 Bumr50  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 9:18:27am

re: #84 MandyManners

I don’t think so. Probably localism in radio.

127 jwb7605  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 9:18:35am

re: #114 Walter L. Newton

Mine said “ne cassez pas mes lunettes” (“do not break my eyeglasses”), but I bought my translator in France.

I thought that meant “you’re past the lunatic state”.
I just read stuff and decide what it is in misspelled English.
:)

128 karmic_inquisitor  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 9:18:35am

re: #112 MandyManners

Where’s Avanti? I wanna’ see him spin this.

It will no doubt start with “My President …”

129 lawhawk  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 9:18:36am

re: #105 Kosh’s Shadow

He was after the Hope Diamond. /[deleted]

130 Randall Gross  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 9:18:42am

re: #115 Sharmuta

I Pledge….

to continue to state 0bama hates the Iraqis.

There is absolutely no understandable reason why 0bama would want to pull our support from Iraq yet reach out to iran. A newly free people getting tossed under the bus so he can play kissy face with thugs. I doubt this bus toss will have the miraculous, unscathed re-emergence that Samantha Power enjoyed. The Iraqis will be fucked, and he knows it.

Sistani in Iraq is following his lead, he just issued a new “Death to Israel for the Gaza Incursion” statement that parrots Ahmadinejad’s.

131 brookly red  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 9:19:02am

re: #87 Walter L. Newton

upding.

132 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 9:19:14am

re: #104 MandyManners

I hope all those who didn’t vote for McCain because he wasn’t conservative enough are fucking happy now.

I voted for him, but I still think we would have seen him “middlen” on a lot of these issues. It would have been a bit better, but not much.

133 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 9:19:15am

re: #91 phoenixgirl

list of attacks on America from our muslim friends from 1979-2001

And 0bama wants to return to this. Maybe because he will then surrender, and find a way to institute sharia in the US?

134 MrSilverDragon  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 9:19:17am

The way I see it currently: America is in the toilet, and Obama has his hand on the handle.

135 yma o hyd  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 9:19:23am

re: #130 Thanos

Sistani in Iraq is following his lead, he just issued a new “Death to Israel for the Gaza Incursion” statement that parrots Ahmadinejad’s.

Now there’s a surprise!

////

136 Ringo the Gringo  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 9:19:24am

I have friends who honestly think that world peace is at hand, that Obama’s magic words are going to transform humanity.

I’m not kidding.

Their naivete is frightening…And these are adults who would otherwise appear intelligent.

137 Sharmuta  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 9:19:31am

Remember when kerry lost and there were all those videos apologizing to the world?

Would it be poor form to start a similar campaign apologizing to Iraq?

138 FurryOldGuyJeans  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 9:19:41am

re: #82 jwb7605

That was the day he gave up trying to win.

I don’t think he ever really tried to win the presidency. He seemed so content to have won the nomination, something he felt entitled to since 2000.

139 [deleted]  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 9:19:50am
140 MJ  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 9:19:56am

Canada’s Globe and Mail exposes a new Blood libel.
Via Melanie Phillips:

An Incendiary Error

Remember the UNRWA school in Gaza which was reputedly shelled by the Israelis during the war in Gaza with the reported deaths of 30-40 civilians who had taken refuge inside it? This was presented by Hamas and the UNRWA high command as a major atrocity. In response, the Israelis maintained that they had been returning fire from the school. After an investigation, they amended this to say the firing had come from a compound adjacent to the school; they had returned fire with three shells, one of which had hit the school by mistake.

Now it appears the school wasn’t hit at all. Canada’s Globe and Mail reports that, according to local eye-witnesses, those who died were all outside the school in the street where all three Israeli shells landed:

[Link: www.spectator.co.uk…]

141 Opinionated  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 9:20:03am

re: #104 MandyManners

I hope all those who didn’t vote for McCain because he wasn’t conservative enough are fucking happy now.

Forget not voting for McCain, I know intelligent people who should know better who voted for Obama.

And I’m not referring to Liberals and Democrats.

Some can be excused maybe on account of their youth, others are just inexplicable even when understanding their motivations and criticisms of McCain and his campaign.

142 Cathypop  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 9:20:03am

re: #134 MrSilverDragon

The way I see it currently: America is in the toilet, and Obama has his hand on the handle.

And his head is up his ass

143 Alaska Kim  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 9:20:15am

Obama is a domestic enemy.

144 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 9:20:17am

re: #96 Spare O’Lake

It concerns me that many brilliant people have concluded that the President of the USA is a weak, ignorant, cowardly, dhimmified socialist.
A lot.

It concerns me that nobody acknowledged this before November.

145 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 9:20:29am

re: #101 Thanos

During the campaign:

“Just words? Words Mean Something”

After the campaign…

“Freedom’s just another word…”


…for nothing left to lose.

0bama will make us free.

146 jwb7605  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 9:20:34am

re: #136 Ringo the Gringo

I have friends who honestly think that world peace is at hand, that Obama’s magic words are going to transform humanity.

I’m not kidding.

Their naivete is frightening…And these are adults who would otherwise appear intelligent.

Some Most of them have advanced college degrees.
(referring to the ones I know)

147 karmic_inquisitor  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 9:20:45am

So when Obama sends all of these “leaders” of the different Muslim autocracies their free unicorns, will those unicorns shit Skittles? Are Skittles halal?

148 DeafDog  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 9:20:58am

re: #136 Ringo the Gringo

I have friends who honestly think that world peace is at hand, that Obama’s magic words are going to transform humanity.

I’m not kidding.

Their naivete is frightening…And these are adults who would otherwise appear intelligent.

If they turn out to be right, I sure will feel silly.

149 Bumr50  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 9:21:01am

I posted this earlier to Doc, but if anyone wants to view and give input:

Gunmaking in Pakistan

Again, I apologize if this has been posted here already. Been kind of busy.
Girl is sick. Laundry is plentiful.

150 yma o hyd  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 9:21:04am

re: #136 Ringo the Gringo

I have friends who honestly think that world peace is at hand, that Obama’s magic words are going to transform humanity.

I’m not kidding.

Their naivete is frightening…And these are adults who would otherwise appear intelligent.

Looks like a fatal mixture of cognitive dissonance and wishful thinking.

Keeping one’s head firmly in the sand must be truly comforting …

151 Sharmuta  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 9:21:28am

re: #130 Thanos

Sistani in Iraq is following his lead, he just issued a new “Death to Israel for the Gaza Incursion” statement that parrots Ahmadinejad’s.

And that’s bullshit on his part, but if there is ever going to be a solution to the larger problems with islam, it’s freedom and democracy. 0bama wants to undermine it.

152 azul93gt  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 9:21:29am

It’s clear. Obama just sucks.

Obama is pedal to the metal on his appeasement/surrender agenda. Although surrender may be the wrong term because he considers himself on their side against America.

153 jwb7605  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 9:21:32am

re: #138 FurryOldGuyJeans

I don’t think he ever really tried to win the presidency. He seemed so content to have won the nomination, something he felt entitled to since 2000.

When he selected Palin, I was fooled for about a month and a half.

154 Ringo the Gringo  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 9:21:33am

re: #146 jwb7605

Some Most of them have advanced college degrees.
(referring to the ones I know)

Yep….Just like thier dear leader.

155 Quintus_Arius  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 9:21:33am

Afghanistan/Pakistan are now Obama’s. It will not be as easy as it was in Irag for GWB. /sarc

An encouraging video to brighten your super bowl weekend.

156 redstateredneck  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 9:21:34am

re: #137 Sharmuta

Remember when kerry lost and there were all those videos apologizing to the world?

Would it be poor form to start a similar campaign apologizing to Iraq?

Aw, shit. I had successfully blocked that from my memory until you brought it up.

157 Spiny Norman  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 9:21:39am

re: #104 MandyManners

I hope all those who didn’t vote for McCain because he wasn’t conservative enough are fucking happy now.

I think many, if not most, of the Conservatives who refused to vote for McCain did so with full knowledge that this is the sort of thing Barry would do. Their thinking is that he’ll screw up so badly that the “moderate middle” will come running back to the Party of Reagan.

Too bad there’s no Ronald Reagan waiting in the wings.

158 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 9:21:39am

re: #131 brookly red

upding.

Thanks.

159 OldLineTexan  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 9:21:44am

re: #145 Kosh’s Shadow

…for nothing left to lose.

0bama will make us free.

You and I seem to have been separated at birth. See 109.

160 lawhawk  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 9:21:47am

re: #137 Sharmuta

Yeah, we’re sorry Iraq for not coming sooner to finish off the genocidal despot Hussein.

161 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 9:22:23am

As I heard somebody say a few days ago, “This is the Age of Obama: new ways of thinking, new ways of being.”

162 karmic_inquisitor  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 9:22:34am

re: #132 Walter L. Newton

I voted for him, but I still think we would have seen him “middlen” on a lot of these issues. It would have been a bit better, but not much.

I agree with you on the middlen bit, except that McCain would never disparage this country or prior presidents. He could have gotten votes by sticking his finger in Bush’s eye but had the class, decency and self respect not to.

Obama lacks such fundamental qualities.

163 Quintus_Arius  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 9:22:40am

Link for #155
[Link: www.vbs.tv…]

164 DeafDog  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 9:22:51am

re: #139 Iron Fist

If we were seriously anti-Mohammedan, then we’d already live in a Mohammedan-free world. We have the power, even with the draw down of forces under Clinton, and there’s really no nation on earth that could gainsay us. But we haven’t done it. Yet.

Imagine what would happen if it were turned on its head, and America was the weaker power in a world with ascendant Mohammedanism having the power to exterminate us.

Now, look at what Obama appears to be trying to do. He wants us to disarm while the Mohammedan world, rich with petro-dollars rolling in, arms itself better and better with each day that passes. Every day brings us one day closer to the time when Iran has nuclear weapons.

On that day, we’ll see what we see, but I’m betting that Obama will go down in history as being the Chamberlain of his time. If history is being kind to him…

Well said and worth repeating

165 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 9:22:51am

re: #147 karmic_inquisitor

So when Obama sends all of these “leaders” of the different Muslim autocracies their free unicorns, will those unicorns shit Skittles? Are Skittles halal?

Taste the rainbow, infidels.

166 subsailor68  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 9:22:53am

re: #157 Spiny Norman

I think many, if not most, of the Conservatives who refused to vote for McCain did so with full knowledge that this is the sort of thing Barry would do. Their thinking is that he’ll screw up so badly that the “moderate middle” will come running back to the Party of Reagan.

Too bad there’s no Ronald Reagan waiting in the wings.

I think you’re right about that, but it sure was a dangerous gamble on their part. One I, for one, wasn’t willing to take.

167 doppelganglander  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 9:23:18am

re: #146 jwb7605

Some Most of them have advanced college degrees.
(referring to the ones I know)

That’s how they become so gullible — listening to people with all kinds of wacky theories who’ve never held a real job and never mixed with regular people.

168 MandyManners  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 9:23:19am

re: #113 Fat Jolly Penguin

Say that as often as you like. I’ll keep up-dinging it.

Mine is a conditioned response. Just about every time I read/hear about the disaster that is being visited upon this nation, I think those words.

169 yma o hyd  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 9:23:24am

re: #140 MJ

Canada’s Globe and Mail exposes a new Blood libel.
Via Melanie Phillips:

An Incendiary Error

Melanie Phillips should give that story more traction.

IIRC, Israellycool and The Muqata reported this day before yesterday, I think I linked it here as well, somewhere …

(Senior moment, do forgive …)

170 karmic_inquisitor  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 9:23:34am

re: #161 Who Watches the Watchmen?

As I heard somebody say a few days ago, “This is the Age of Obama: new ways of thinking, new ways of being.”

“New ways of barfing”

171 Occasional Reader  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 9:24:01am

ALL OF YOUR LUNCH MONEY IS BELONG TO ME

Thanks for the hat tip (or whatever the technical term for this would be), Charles.

172 LGoPs  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 9:24:10am

re: #10 dhg4

I’d add this article by Amir Taheri as an excellent companion too. Writing about the Taheri piece, Yaacov Lozowick concludes:

According to all reports Obama is an unusually intelligent man, widely read. The fact that his first pronouncement on the recent history of the Middle East could have been refuted with ease by anyone who’s been reading newspapers and remembering their content for the period he’s pronouncing on, is mildly worrisome.

I’ve always wondered about this penchant for describing liberals as so highly intelligent, e.g., Hillary, the smartest woman in the world; Bill being pretty much the equivalent, and now Obama. Contrast this with the almost comically predictable description of Republicans as stupid.
In my experience, I have met many people who are degreed and so educated that they’ve actually become stupid,IMHO. Stupid in the sense that they’ve lost all sight of guiding principles and can’t even make simple judgements or decisions because they’re so busy analyzing every angle of every situation. There’s a name for this even…it’s called Analysis Paralysis. I think many liberals suffer from this and it is what makes many of them particularly unsuited to positions of authority where weighty decisions using sage judgement are required.

173 FurryOldGuyJeans  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 9:24:18am

re: #84 MandyManners

Fairness Doctrine?

The media has gotten so partisan lately that I really don’t see much need for a New and Improved Fairness Doctrine beyond expanding government intrusion and bureaucracy.

Dominance in the marketplace of ideas surely can’t be what O wants, is it? /s

174 Occasional Reader  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 9:24:44am

re: #161 Who Watches the Watchmen?

As I heard somebody say a few days ago, “This is the Age of Obama: new ways of thinking, new ways of being.”

Please tell me that person was speaking ironically!

175 MandyManners  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 9:24:50am

re: #116 phoenixgirl

i hope everyone who voted “o” without doing their homework well i don’t really want to be deleted so fill in the blank yourself…..and the ones who did pay attention and voted for him anyway can go to hell

Part of me thinks that at least those who knew what they were doing when they pushed the button for him had principle in mind.

176 [deleted]  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 9:24:51am
177 Opinionated  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 9:24:58am

re: #168 MandyManners

Mine is a conditioned response. Just about every time I read/hear about the disaster that is being visited upon this nation, I think those words.

My knee jerk response is more vulgar and it is aimed at his adoring media.

178 shiek al beif salami  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 9:25:27am

re: #139 Iron Fist

The mullahs in Iran could be shut down in a matter of weeks if commercial air travel was stopped to and from the country. If the elites couldn’t go to Frankfurt or Paris for their shopping sprees, things would change very quickly.

179 dhg4  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 9:25:34am

re: #121 Naso Tang

Palin isn’t going to do it.

Sadly, I think you’re correct about that. I think that she might at some point, but 4 years from now, she won’t have the base. (I also believe that President Obama will serve 2 full terms - his bodyguard of lies will mostly protect him from the consequences of bad decisions - so I’d rather her keep her powder dry for ‘16.)

180 OldLineTexan  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 9:25:41am

re: #176 buzzsawmonkey

Well, the media have been furnishing the Deathly Shallows.

And snogging Obama’s backside.

181 [deleted]  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 9:25:56am
182 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 9:26:00am

re: #136 Ringo the Gringo

I have friends who honestly think that world peace is at hand, that Obama’s magic words are going to transform humanity.

I’m not kidding.

Their naivete is frightening…And these are adults who would otherwise appear intelligent.

IMO

They are intelligent. Don’t diminish their ability to do just what they said they are going to do.

Why do we assume that politicians and voters are jerks, stupid, uninformed and lazy?

Before the last election I dealt with very smart, intelligent, informed voters, activists and party hacks.

They didn’t pull this off by slipping in the shit. Like I said in another comment above.

“With each passing day it becomes more obvious that they DO have a clue to what they are doing, they are doing just what they want to, what they told us they will do, what they have been doing for years and what they will continue to do.”

183 karmic_inquisitor  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 9:26:02am

I miss George W. Bush.

184 MandyManners  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 9:26:11am

re: #117 Cathypop

Keep it up Mandy because we all looking at 4 years of teenagers in the white house. They may have a plan and they may be smart but they still remind me of spoiled rotten teenagers!

To me, they’re not teenagers but determined adults who have a plan and will execute that plan. But, if I look at them as teens, I turn to the GOP in Congress to tell them to GET CONTROL OVER THOSE STUPID KIDS.

185 Spiny Norman  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 9:26:28am

re: #147 karmic_inquisitor

So when Obama sends all of these “leaders” of the different Muslim autocracies their free unicorns, will those unicorns shit Skittles? Are Skittles halal?

Maybe we should Ask the Imam for a Skittles Fatwa.

/

186 jcm  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 9:26:36am

re: #157 Spiny Norman

I think many, if not most, of the Conservatives who refused to vote for McCain did so with full knowledge that this is the sort of thing Barry would do. Their thinking is that he’ll screw up so badly that the “moderate middle” will come running back to the Party of Reagan.

Too bad there’s no Ronald Reagan waiting in the wings.

Conservatives “punished” the (R) party in the ‘06 mid-terms. That gave us Reid / Pelosi and the (D) majorities.

In general such behavior falls under “cutting off your nose to spite your face.”

Enough folks on the right sat out or voted 3rd party in the election to give it to Obama.

187 DeafDog  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 9:26:39am

re: #179 dhg4

Sadly, I think you’re correct about that. I think that she might at some point, but 4 years from now, she won’t have the base. (I also believe that President Obama will serve 2 full terms - his bodyguard of lies will mostly protect him from the consequences of bad decisions - so I’d rather her keep her powder dry for ‘16.)

Bite your tougue. It’s waaaay too early to be predicting two terms for Obama.

188 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 9:26:50am

re: #162 karmic_inquisitor

I agree with you on the middlen bit, except that McCain would never disparage this country or prior presidents. He could have gotten votes by sticking his finger in Bush’s eye but had the class, decency and self respect not to.

Obama lacks such fundamental qualities.

And I’m sorry to say, it works for him, doesn’t it?

189 Opinionated  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 9:27:02am

re: #172 LGoPs

I’ve always wondered about this penchant for describing liberals as so highly intelligent

Notice who is doing the describing.

190 FurryOldGuyJeans  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 9:27:03am

re: #104 MandyManners

I hope all those who didn’t vote for McCain because he wasn’t conservative enough are fucking happy now.

Sadly I know several people who think O is just what is needed, destroy the country so a Reaganesque savior will appear. They are as delusional as the O worshipers.

191 MandyManners  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 9:27:05am

re: #118 subsailor68

Ick. Do we have to?

:-)

The mental contortions would be as obscene as the kind you’re thinking of.

192 lincolntf  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 9:27:08am

re: #157 Spiny Norman

If that was their motivation (and if the sum total of their votes made up the 4% margin of victory) then they should be ashamed of themselves. The world doesn’t stop and start anew every four or eight years. Deliberately subjecting America to Obama in order to help in a future election is unconscionable. Without being overly dramatic, I honestly believe that people will die and freedoms will be permanently lost due to his election.

193 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 9:27:26am

re: #174 Occasional Reader

Please tell me that person was speaking ironically!

I am sorry to say he wasn’t.

194 calcajun  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 9:27:34am

I have said it several time; the Muslim world is two paradigm shifts short of an Enlightenment.

They branched off our political traditions more than 500 years ago. Our western ethos, morality, and political philosophy are in many instances alien to them. We should know that by now. Instead, we keep trying to make them operate on our level—and they keep screwing us for it.

The only way we can make them accept the world on our terms is if our foot is on their neck. Right now, they have the upper hand (oil and money) and there is no incentive for them to respect our views. They see us as a giant with feet of clay; we have no will to use our strength against them—and they will milk that failing for all it’s worth.

195 michaelhop  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 9:27:34am

The Political Change that is the Obama Presidency is the real global disaster. If only we could buy Obama Offsets…..

196 [deleted]  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 9:27:45am
197 [deleted]  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 9:27:52am
198 The Optimist  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 9:27:55am
re: #19 bloodnok

Muslim World: I retract my 1/305,714,343 share of that apology.

Can you please grab mine while you are there, oh and my five kids as well. Thanks.

Subtract my 0.00000000327102742444766000000 of an apology also

199 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 9:28:02am

re: #187 DeafDog

Bite your tougue. It’s waaaay too early to be predicting two terms for Obama.

He’s a one-term disaster if ever there was one—unless he successfully steals the 2012 election.

200 Randall Gross  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 9:28:10am

re: #149 Bumr50

I posted this earlier to Doc, but if anyone wants to view and give input:

Gunmaking in Pakistan

Again, I apologize if this has been posted here already. Been kind of busy.
Girl is sick. Laundry is plentiful.


This is a couple years old, posted a few times. I did an article on it back in ‘07.

[Link: noblesseoblige.org…]

It’s well worth watching however if you haven’t seen it. Most of the people you see in the vid are Barelvis and Khasadars, and they’ve now lost the war and their influence in the frontiers of Pakistan. The Taliban are taking over the Khyber pass, and back in 07 I didn’t think they had any real chance of success. I wasn’t right then.

201 Occasional Reader  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 9:28:27am

re: #181 buzzsawmonkey

Analysis paralysis = Hamlet syndrome. Highly intelligent, incapable of taking action.

Yale Law graduates have this reputation. Brilliant at positing the handicapped-latina-lesbian-Derridian point of view about a given legal topic. But ask them to, say, draft a loan agreement, and you get a deer-in-the-headlights look.

202 dhg4  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 9:28:40am

re: #139 Iron Fist

If we were seriously anti-Mohammedan, then we’d already live in a Mohammedan-free world. We have the power, even with the draw down of forces under Clinton, and there’s really no nation on earth that could gainsay us. But we haven’t done it. Yet.

The same thing would apply to Israel. If Isreal really was the 2nd coming of Nazi Germany, there’d be no Palestinians.

203 J.S.  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 9:29:06am

re: #115 Sharmuta

Remember that quote from Osama bin Laden about “backing the strong horse”? (In reading some of the biographies about Obama’s rise to political power, what Obama tends to do is “back the strong horse” — as Obama did in Chicago with Mayor Daley…Obama’s policy with Mayor Daley was “don’t upset the apple cart” and “play along.” Hence, Obama endorsed Mayor Daley. Perhaps Obama figures that the “strong horse” in the area is Iran, not Iraq…thus Obama is putting his money on “the strong horse.”)

204 MandyManners  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 9:29:06am

re: #119 Golem Akbar

This ought to be a wake-up call to all so-called conservatives looking for the pure candidate. [even those that walk on water still look for the stepping stones that others can’t see]

I guarantee you that there are many who think that this is a good thing for America in the long term ‘cause we’ll get a Reagan II in 2012. The thing is, it’s not guaranteed that CBBHO will be voted out, particularly with the increased base he’ll have through his social bribery as well as ACORN. Also, he can do a lot of damage in just four years.

A Carter II does not guarantee a Reagan II.

205 Occasional Reader  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 9:29:17am

re: #193 Who Watches the Watchmen?

I am sorry to say he wasn’t.

Wow. So it really is the Year Zero.

206 newsjunkie_ky  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 9:29:20am

You should apologize if you are wrong. W. and America were not wrong, but the 0 thinks we were.
Be afraid, be very afraid.

207 karmic_inquisitor  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 9:29:40am

re: #188 Walter L. Newton

And I’m sorry to say, it works for him, doesn’t it?

Yes. And much of the country. Interesting how people have come to think of us having become more kind and gentle and respectful by placing Obama in charge when, in fact, his entire ascension is based on mean spirited divisiveness and exclusion.

208 FurryOldGuyJeans  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 9:29:42am

re: #153 jwb7605

When he selected Palin, I was fooled for about a month and a half.

The luster lasted for about 2 days for me until I saw he refused to do a thing to stand up for the woman from the attacks coming in from all quarters.

209 calcajun  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 9:29:56am

re: #104 MandyManners

I hope all those who didn’t vote for McCain because he wasn’t conservative enough are fucking happy now.

Mandy, don’t sugar-coat it. Tell us what you really think.

210 MandyManners  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 9:29:58am

Back to scrubbing the bath.

211 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 9:30:01am

re: #184 MandyManners

To me, they’re not teenagers but determined adults who have a plan and will execute that plan. But, if I look at them as teens, I turn to the GOP in Congress to tell them to GET CONTROL OVER THOSE STUPID KIDS.

Pegged them good. Hyperbole may make one feel good, but it never gets down to the problem. These are very smart and determined people, and as soon as we start treating them as equals (and in some cases, smarter than us) and examine closely what they are doing and develop a plan, the better off we will be.

I would hate to see us explaining things away in three years saying “gee, look at what those children are doing in Congress now.”

212 [deleted]  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 9:30:05am
213 Spare O'Lake  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 9:30:25am

My fervent hope is that all of Obama’s double-talking bullshit will be ignored by America’s enemies and allies alike.
And when it comes time to actually act, that Obama will defer to the advice of those who actually have a clue.

214 phoenixgirl  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 9:30:32am

re: #204 MandyManners

the damage this guy is doing could be permanent

215 FrogMarch  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 9:30:32am

McCain might have won had he come out against the bailout.

216 karmic_inquisitor  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 9:30:56am

re: #190 FurryOldGuyJeans

Sadly I know several people who think O is just what is needed, destroy the country so a Reaganesque savior will appear. They are as delusional as the O worshipers.

I hear you. Like some 12th Imam is going to appear. Frickin lunacy.

America should not suffer just so that we can say “I told you so.”

217 [deleted]  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 9:30:56am
218 FurryOldGuyJeans  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 9:30:57am

re: #208 FurryOldGuyJeans

The luster lasted for about 2 days for me until I saw he refused to do a thing to stand up for the woman from the attacks coming in from all quarters.

Forgot to add:

Yet he was defending O from the start. What a guy.

219 DeafDog  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 9:31:10am

re: #204 MandyManners

A Carter II does not guarantee a Reagan II.

Doea a Clinton II does guarantee a Bush III?

/

220 jwb7605  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 9:31:22am

re: #208 FurryOldGuyJeans

The luster lasted for about 2 days for me until I saw he refused to do a thing to stand up for the woman from the attacks coming in from all quarters.

It took me the month and a half to figure out he was setting her up.
I was just thinking “error in judgment” during the period.
Second error was thinking Palin would dive in feet first solo with any success.

221 Pyrocles  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 9:31:28am

Obama knows Howard Zinn’s Socialist “history”; the “People’s History”…

re: #29 opinionated

It’s not hard to understand why Obama doesn’t know actual history, everything he knows about the World he learned at the knees of Wright and Ayers and Rashid Khalidi.

222 Opinionated  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 9:31:28am

re: #202 dhg4

If there was no anti Semitism then too there would be no Palestinians (Arabs who exist solely to terrorize Israel).

223 kynna  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 9:31:30am

I am an American and I’m not ashamed of what we’ve done for many in the Muslim world. Frankly, I know for a fact America has made the world a better, safer place and we’ve bled and paid to do it.

F*ck Obama’s apologies. I’m not sorry. I’m proud.

224 Occasional Reader  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 9:31:36am

re: #210 MandyManners

Back to scrubbing the bath.

“Why do we wash towels? Aren’t we already clean when we use them?”

-Stephen Wright

225 subsailor68  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 9:31:37am

re: #191 MandyManners

The mental contortions would be as obscene as the kind you’re thinking of.

Ooh! Contortions! Hey, do ya think avanti’s one of these people?

Contortionists

(I think it’s the one called “upside down contortionist”, but I could be wrong.

226 [deleted]  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 9:31:40am
227 Wishing  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 9:32:07am

I am reading A History of the Weimar Republic, by Erich Eyck.
I lift a quote:
Then too, voters were attracted by Hitler’s “leader principle” {Fuhrerprinzip) because it promised to relieve them of the burden of personal responsibility. a democratic stae requires constant decisions of its citizens, and one cannot assume that every citizen enjoys being confronted by an endless set of problems in the way. How much simpler to leave decisions to the Fuhrer and content oneself with chanting his praises as a member of the jubilating chorus. (pg 282)

History redux.

228 dhg4  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 9:32:09am

re: #187 DeafDog

Bite your tougue. It’s waaaay too early to be predicting two terms for Obama.

Given that he came in with a bad economy that will likely recover before the next election campaign - regardless of what he does - he’ll get the credit. The MSM will provide all the free advertising he needs.

In general I’d agree with you. 4 years is a long time on the political horizon. I just see no way that President Obama will not be credited for the positive things that happen on his watch, with the less successful aspects hidden or blamed on his predecessor.

229 brookly red  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 9:32:13am

re: #199 Who Watches the Watchmen?

He’s a one-term disaster if ever there was one—unless he successfully steals the 2012 election.

I am starting to doubt that we will still be holding elections by 2012…

230 karmic_inquisitor  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 9:32:20am

re: #217 Iron Fist

Fixed

Your masterful subtlety and supple use of nuance comes through again.

231 robdouth  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 9:32:35am

re: #1 rawmuse

Nothing pleases a Democrat like going down on your knees to a tyrant.

Thus we enter the Lewinsky era of foreign policy, ironically represented by Hillary Clinton at the state department.

232 Buck  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 9:32:46am

I don’t have time to read the article, or all the comments, but

DID anyone include the Tsunami relief? The USA did more that any other country, and more than all the muslim and arab countries COMBINED!

THE USA delivered an AIRPORT on site. The delivered five fresh water making machines on site. The USA delivered two hospitals on site. AND all the staff to run them.

Gotta go… just wanted to make sure that was said.

233 Throbert McGee  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 9:32:58am

I ran it through the Joe Besser translator and it came out: “Oooh, I’ll harm you! I’ll give you SUCH a pinch….”

(Clip is TV’s Frank on MST3K, not the actual Joe Besser.)

234 Occasional Reader  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 9:33:00am

re: #212 buzzsawmonkey

For one thing, you have to have a Reagan II waiting in the wings. And there doesn’t seem to be anyone backstage.

I actually have a hunch (no Igor jokes, please) that there will be a very dynamic conservative up-and-coming candidate on the scene within two years. Of course, I have no idea who it will be.

235 calcajun  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 9:33:28am

re: #231 robdouth

Thus we enter the Lewinsky era of foreign policy, ironically represented by Hillary Clinton at the state department.

We are going to have more than one “stain” on our national dress, my friend.

236 lobo91  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 9:33:41am

re: #197 Iron Fist

I don’t disagree. Saddam Hussein was handled very poorly by the Bush I Administration. If he had been told bluntly that we would go to war against him if he invaded his weaker neighbors, it is entirely possible that he would have not have invaded Kuwait at all. But once the decision was made to remove his forces from Kuwait, the goal should have been an unconditional surrender of Iraq, and exile or death for the ruling class.

I still remember the morning they announced the ceasefire in DS. My unit was a few miles west of Basrah.

Most of us stood there shaking our heads, wondering how long it would be before we had to go back and do it all again.

If we only knew then that that would be the least of our problems…

237 OldLineTexan  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 9:33:45am

re: #229 brookly red

I am starting to doubt that we will still be holding elections by 2012…

Now, now. No symptoms of BDS, please.

238 jwb7605  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 9:33:58am

re: #226 taxfreekiller

If you want your ass kicked you do not have to go international.

Any bar George Throgood and his band plays on a regular tour is
just fine, walk in act like a silly ass punk and you can get the parking
lot gravel in the back of your head, and free, no foreign aid money required.

like that
he is a dumb ass fool

Which is why I drink alone, with nobody else … and when I drink alone, I prefer to be by myself.
I’ve been to one Thorogood concert (outdoor amphitheater, Red Rocks), and I know what you’re saying.

239 FurryOldGuyJeans  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 9:34:32am

re: #220 jwb7605

It took me the month and a half to figure out he was setting her up.
I was just thinking “error in judgment” during the period.
Second error was thinking Palin would dive in feet first solo with any success.

2 days for me because from nearly the second of tapping Palin as his running mate he went back to defending O from the attacks of all those evil Conservatives. That was not the actions of a man wanting to win.

240 TMRiddle  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 9:34:35am

re: #11 phoenixgirl

I also live in Arizona. I came here to live in the year-round summer weather but this morning it was 30 degrees outside. [shakes head]. I teach a couple of students who have roots in Iran (and quite a few who were born in Egypt) and they (the Iranians) discuss the surreal nature of going there - how living there can be relatively easy-going with few injustices upon the average bloke but how batshit insane their leadership is regarding everything else and outreach to Western democracies.

Also surreal is how the Sunni extremists lavish praise at Ahmadinejad’s feet, requesting that someone of his stature and ability (and “courage”) come to the fore in their countries. When you think of how fucked up Saudi Arabia is and that the extremists don’t think they’re brutal enough, it’s enough to just make you want to become a hermit.

Students are in agreeance on those points. We do have civil discussions concerning Israel but it’s a nice far-cry from arguing and being called khafir.

241 OldLineTexan  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 9:34:43am

re: #234 Occasional Reader

I actually have a hunch (no Igor jokes, please) that there will be a very dynamic conservative up-and-coming candidate on the scene within two years. Of course, I have no idea who it will be.

Your hunch keeps changing sides. I’m igoring it.

242 subsailor68  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 9:35:02am

re: #227 Wishing

That’s on my reading list…heard it’s very good.

History redux indeed. I just hope we don’t get to the point where our currency is devalued to the levels of the Weimar Republic. (Remember the one with the man pushing a wheelbarrow full of currency to buy a loaf of bread?)

243 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 9:35:12am

re: #214 phoenixgirl

the damage this guy is doing could be permanent

Nothing’s permanent. Even the radioactivity of a nuked city will die down after a while.

244 nyc redneck  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 9:35:22am

if o isn’t trashing and bad mouthing america, he is apologizing for non-existent or contrived slights to worthless dangerous thugs who would annihilate us in a heart beat if they could.
o is proving to be a horrible choice for the well being of our nation.
does he even know he is president of the united states?
and not a tool of our enemies.

245 XMarine  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 9:35:52am

re: #13 Ben Hur

Obama’s campaign, politics and now presidency are not based in reality.

They are based in perception.


Worse than that, Obama’s presidency is not just based on his perception of reality, it is based on what he wants reality to be. He is conducting his office as he wishes things were, not as they actually are. He will not face reality even when it hits him in the forehead with a sledgehammer.

246 OldLineTexan  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 9:35:54am

Looks from the next thread uplike the Pope better put on his Pope hat and issue a few gag orders. This is getting out of hand.

247 [deleted]  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 9:35:59am
248 brookly red  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 9:36:31am

re: #237 OldLineTexan

Now, now. No symptoms of BDS, please.

OK, your right we will still be voting in a sense.

249 Achilles Tang  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 9:36:46am

re: #179 dhg4

Sadly, I think you’re correct about that. I think that she might at some point, but 4 years from now, she won’t have the base. (I also believe that President Obama will serve 2 full terms - his bodyguard of lies will mostly protect him from the consequences of bad decisions - so I’d rather her keep her powder dry for ‘16.)

To be perfectly honest, I wouldn’t want to have to vote for her. Surely there are good people out there right now that don’t have to go to school to learn the job? I think some will show themselves in the next 4 years.

250 VegasRick  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 9:36:49am

re: #219 DeafDog

Doea a Clinton II does guarantee a Bush III?

/

Clinton liked the fact that he was surrounded by Bush.

251 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 9:36:52am

re: #227 Wishing

I am reading A History of the Weimar Republic, by Erich Eyck.
I lift a quote:
Then too, voters were attracted by Hitler’s “leader principle” {Fuhrerprinzip) because it promised to relieve them of the burden of personal responsibility. a democratic stae requires constant decisions of its citizens, and one cannot assume that every citizen enjoys being confronted by an endless set of problems in the way. How much simpler to leave decisions to the Fuhrer and content oneself with chanting his praises as a member of the jubilating chorus. (pg 282)

History redux.

And I think 0bama will sell out the Jews, too, although I don’t he will set up concentration camps. He’ll just let the Arabs do the work.

252 Ben Hur  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 9:36:54am

re: #73 lawhawk

Very valid points, but as far as “motivating the troops” and advancing their global agenda, I think it worked.

Did you ever hear anything about them (aside from protesting hollywood for Arabs as terrorists in film) before 9-11?

253 DeafDog  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 9:37:46am

re: #228 dhg4

I understand the theory. I just think it’s way to early that this theory will hold water in 3+ years.

Consider, for example, that Obama is for the first time experiencing criticism. We’ve already seen flashes of how he reacts to the pressure - blaming Rush, the “we won” comment, closing gitmo without knowing what to do with the prisoners, a trillion dollar bill with no opposition party support, etc.

There’s lots of time for him to start correcting these kinds of mis-steps, but there is also reason to think that the mis-steps will continue and get worse. We’ll see.

254 Elcid  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 9:37:55am

Obama has lived as a Muslim and as a Christian, from what he says. Granted, not exactly the kind of “Christian” Church, that one normally thinks of.

255 FurryOldGuyJeans  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 9:37:57am

re: #187 DeafDog

Bite your tougue. It’s waaaay too early to be predicting two terms for Obama.

The same was said of Clinton, and despite all the sleaze of the man he won again. FDR took over with a bad economy and did all he could to drive it into the ground, and yet he kept winning.

You think logically; the average voter apparently can barely do that, they just feel.

256 lobo91  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 9:38:01am

re: #212 buzzsawmonkey

For one thing, you have to have a Reagan II waiting in the wings. And there doesn’t seem to be anyone backstage.

That seems to be the factor people keep overlooking in that equation.

Reagan didn’t just appear out of the mist in 1980. He came within a whisker of taking the Republican nomination from Ford in 1976, after all.

I see no one comparable on the horizon today.

257 OldLineTexan  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 9:38:16am

re: #248 brookly red

OK, your right we will still be voting in a sense.

Do you really want to be a possible source of inspiration for the “conservative”/”right-wing” version of “moonbat”?

I don’t.

What Obama SAYS and DOES is bad enough without ridiculous resorts to BDS-type fears.

258 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 9:38:49am

re: #238 jwb7605

Which is why I drink alone, with nobody else … and when I drink alone, I prefer to be by myself.
I’ve been to one Thorogood concert (outdoor amphitheater, Red Rocks), and I know what you’re saying.

You mean you don’t drink with your buddy Weiser, or with your Old Granddad?

259 J.S.  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 9:38:56am

re: #227 Wishing

Reminds me of the text, The Insecurity of Freedom, by Abraham Joshua Heschel (1966).

260 jcm  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 9:39:04am

re: #213 Spare O’Lake

My fervent hope is that all of Obama’s double-talking bullshit will be ignored by America’s enemies and allies alike.
And when it comes time to actually act, that Obama will defer to the advice of those who actually have a clue.

Not likely.
Closed Gitmo.
Closed the black sites.
Stimulus package.
Reaching out to Iran and the Muslim world.

Lots of people saying it’s a bad idea.

The One knows better that

261 LGoPs  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 9:39:41am

re: #204 MandyManners

I guarantee you that there are many who think that this is a good thing for America in the long term ‘cause we’ll get a Reagan II in 2012. The thing is, it’s not guaranteed that CBBHO will be voted out, particularly with the increased base he’ll have through his social bribery as well as ACORN. Also, he can do a lot of damage in just four years.

A Carter II does not guarantee a Reagan II.

Fucking Democrats became obsessed with Bush ‘stealing’ the 2000 election. Even though demonstrably untrue, that idea is cemented in their minds.
I think that in 2008 they succeeded in actually stealing one - through a combination of ACORN, loose voting rules (all of which benefit them) and out and out propoganda from the MFM.
Now that they have tasted that, I think they will develop an insatiable appetite for more and will continue to refine and hone their skills.
I guess what I’m saying is that we’ll have to do more than just get the assholes - who sat this one out due to *sniff* purity reasons - to go and vote. A lot more…….

262 Occasional Reader  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 9:39:49am

re: #252 Ben Hur

Did you ever hear anything about them (aside from protesting hollywood for Arabs as terrorists in film) before 9-11?

Hear anything about whom? al-Qaeda? Absolutely. USS Cole, World Trade Center (first attack), African embassies attack, “Millennium Plot”, etc.

263 dhg4  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 9:40:08am

re: #172 LGoPs

I’ve always wondered about this penchant for describing liberals as so highly intelligent, e.g., Hillary, the smartest woman in the world; Bill being pretty much the equivalent, and now Obama. Contrast this with the almost comically predictable description of Republicans as stupid.
In my experience, I have met many people who are degreed and so educated that they’ve actually become stupid,IMHO. Stupid in the sense that they’ve lost all sight of guiding principles and can’t even make simple judgements or decisions because they’re so busy analyzing every angle of every situation. There’s a name for this even…it’s called Analysis Paralysis. I think many liberals suffer from this and it is what makes many of them particularly unsuited to positions of authority where weighty decisions using sage judgement are required.

Or as George Orwell supposedly said, “There are some ideas so preposterous that only an intellectual could believe them.”

264 FurryOldGuyJeans  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 9:40:17am

re: #229 brookly red

I am starting to doubt that we will still be holding elections by 2012…

We might be going to the old Soviet style of elections, only one candidate. The RNC sure seems to want it by constantly fielding so many unprincipled candidates.

265 Kenneth  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 9:40:23am

re: #92 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Islam has always had a difficult time with governance. The classical Arab tradition of the desert nomad consisted of family and tribal authority led by a sheik or chieftain. By nature, it is highly suspicious of central authority, as embodied in a modern state. The early Muslim empire, the Caliph ruled as a sort of super-chieftain of the whole Muslim “tribe”. He would hold court in his tent, giving audience to petitioners and issuing judgments, as a tribal chieftain would. But this soon proved impracticable for a large empire.

The ideology of Islam added a further complication. By definition, the perfect word of Allah, containing all the rules for human society, is written in the revealed word of the Koran. Unfortunately, the few descriptions of governance included in the Koran are far from adequate for running a functional state, even a medieval one. The laws are impossible for a modern state.

As a consequence, political Islam is dysfunctional by definition. Islamic states cannot help but fail. The chaos of Somalia, the corruption of Iran, the brutality of Gaza… are all coded into the system. It’s not a bug, it’s a feature.

266 jwb7605  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 9:40:32am

re: #239 FurryOldGuyJeans

2 days for me because from nearly the second of tapping Palin as his running mate he went back to defending O from the attacks of all those evil Conservatives. That was not the actions of a man wanting to win.

I was one of those guys who fell for the OODA theory.
Turns out McCain wasn’t applying it to Obama, he was applying it to us.

267 [deleted]  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 9:40:37am
268 Occasional Reader  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 9:40:46am

re: #247 Iron Fist

as Emporer worship in Japan was alien to our way of thinking during WWII.

And yet it seems to be all the rage here now.

269 [deleted]  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 9:41:03am
270 avanti  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 9:41:25am

re: #112 MandyManners

Where’s Avanti? I wanna’ see him spin this.

Mandy, one of the reasons I enjoy being on LGF is it”s almost like a alternate universe for me. I live in a blue state, surrounded by folks that are giddy about Obama and live in a country where Obama has some of the highest approval rating for a new President in history.

Here, at least I can read and ponder how those that disagree think and keep from being blinded by the light so to speak. We live in a country where some would vote for Daffy Duck if he was pro choice, or Mickey Mouse if he were pro life and the same for the hard core left and right and that just sucks in my opinion.

I’ll sit through the Obama is a Commie for the occasional ” I like what he said about this or that”, it shows you are not blinded by your light either.
While much of what you condemn, I praise, but that’s the nature of politics. I do enjoy hearing your opinions even if I may disagree with many of them. It’s just that neither side should live in a bubble, only hearing their slant. I tried that on leftie sites and although I was more welcomed, it was pretty boring.
As to the issue at hand, I don’t see it the way you do. You see weakness, I don’t. It’s as simple as that.

271 jwb7605  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 9:41:32am

re: #258 Kosh’s Shadow

You mean you don’t drink with your buddy Weiser, or with your Old Granddad?

Jack Daniels, but I keep him out of sight. :-)

272 [deleted]  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 9:41:55am
273 dhg4  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 9:42:32am

re: #253 DeafDog

I understand the theory. I just think it’s way to early that this theory will hold water in 3+ years.

Consider, for example, that Obama is for the first time experiencing criticism. We’ve already seen flashes of how he reacts to the pressure - blaming Rush, the “we won” comment, closing gitmo without knowing what to do with the prisoners, a trillion dollar bill with no opposition party support, etc.

There’s lots of time for him to start correcting these kinds of mis-steps, but there is also reason to think that the mis-steps will continue and get worse. We’ll see.

I see your point. And you may be right. I still think that perceptions matter and that the perception of him will be guarded jealously.

274 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 9:42:38am

re: #264 FurryOldGuyJeans

We might be going to the old Soviet style of elections, only one candidate. The RNC sure seems to want it by constantly fielding so many unprincipled candidates.

It seems to me in the last election, there was only one person running for President who actually wanted to win. (Two if you include Hillary Clinton in the primaries.) Everyone else dropped out, including McCain.
In my more cynical moments (which are increasing), I think the election was a sham.

275 calcajun  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 9:42:45am

re: #247 Iron Fist

That’s why I advocated taking the harshest line possible against Afghanistan. The Mohammedan culture believes in dominance and submission. The idea of co-equal partners is as alien to them as Emporer worship in Japan was alien to our way of thinking during WWII.

A good example. We have not had to deal with a militarized Japan or National Socialism for more than 60 years—because those philosophies were shredded without one stone left atop another and salt sown into the Earth. That is how you eradicate an ideal. But we won’t do that.

The other way is spending them into submission—which we can’t do. The way to stop them economically is to deprive them of money. They have only two things to offer the world—their cash cows—oil and opium.

I am all for getting off the oil teat. Renewable energy is great. I’m also for simply legalizing every known drug; let’s see how they like it when the street value of heroin drops to $5 a pound and Coca-Cola starts putting cocaine in its drink to really make it the “pause that refreshes”.

276 Lincolntf  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 9:42:55am

re: #257 OldLineTexan

BDS symptoms aside, the reality of ACORN and the Dems/Obama back-door funding thereof is a very bad sign for the health of our elections.
I used to think that the fears of ACORN were overstated until I saw the “community organizers” in action.

277 FurryOldGuyJeans  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 9:43:02am

re: #228 dhg4

Given that he came in with a bad economy that will likely recover before the next election campaign - regardless of what he does - he’ll get the credit. The MSM will provide all the free advertising he needs.

In general I’d agree with you. 4 years is a long time on the political horizon. I just see no way that President Obama will not be credited for the positive things that happen on his watch, with the less successful aspects hidden or blamed on his predecessor.

And possibly enough people will see any negatives about O that do get reported as coming from the VRWC attack machine. Worked for Clinton.

278 [deleted]  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 9:43:07am
279 calcajun  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 9:43:14am

re: #250 VegasRick

Clinton liked the fact that he was surrounded by Bush.

I don’t want to dive into that one.

280 Irenike  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 9:43:18am

I am sick of hearing about how intelligent Obama is. Intelligence does not equal wisdom. Intelligence does not equal street smarts. The dude is an arrogant, dangerous intellectual egg-head, and he hangs out with other intellectual egg-heads who stroke his ego, and they all think they can out-talk and out-smart dirty thugs like Dinnerjacket. They’re like the self-important college kid who thinks he can go into the bad part of town and reform it because he speaks well, studied a lot of philosophy, and gets all “A”s on his report card.

The thugs of the world have this man’s number. They will steamroll him at the first opportunity. I just hope the rest of us don’t have to pay the price for his stupidity.

281 jwb7605  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 9:43:31am

Errands.
Back this afternoon! (my time)

282 LGoPs  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 9:43:33am

re: #224 Occasional Reader

“Why do we wash towels? Aren’t we already clean when we use them?”

-Stephen Wright

How do you clean a dirty soap bar?
:)

283 Quintus_Arius  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 9:43:47am

Unlike the economy, the GOP demise may have bottomed out. That unanimous ‘no’ vote was the turning point. Now, if the GOP senators hang tough it will be confirmed. I hope they ‘get it’.

284 TMRiddle  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 9:44:02am

re: #125 OldLineTexan

Cute :P. I like HP but as I’ve said, I haven’t seen anything so drastic yet - have to give it awhile otherwise we destroy any strong power of dissent we do have when we complain from the get-go.

When every waking day is dissent, dissent, dissent over the minuscule rather than the in-your-face, it spreads our power too thin. Now - you could say this is akin to Fudge keeping hush-hush about Voldemort after the Third Task and through the rest of ‘95 and early ‘96 but IMO, we’re not dealing with one batshit insane policy - we’re dealing with many and in varying degrees of suckitude.

Now instead of complaining over the steps being taken to close Gitmo, we could instead bring a heavy hammer over whatever Obama does to get that judge (Pohl I believe) to stop that case (if he has the guts to - dunno if he does). As he (the CiC) can shut down the entire operation, I’m assuming he can also ask for the dude to shape up or ship out. IMO, that’s a battle that puts a face to the issue at hand. An executive order that could be vague does little; the action of telling someone judging a madman involved with the USS Cole bombings to stop gives face to the issue.

I’m not very good with words so that may seem stupid but those are my thoughts.

285 Ben Hur  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 9:44:19am
286 Elcid  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 9:44:24am

re: #262 Occasional Reader

Hear anything about whom? al-Qaeda? Absolutely. USS Cole, World Trade Center (first attack), African embassies attack, “Millennium Plot”, etc.

Yasser Arafat from the late 60’s, early 70’s..to damn near present. A downed airliner over Lockerbie, A Marine compound blown to hell.

287 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 9:45:11am

re: #278 Iron Fist

Isn’t that a comforting dose of warm-fuzziness?

Did you see my 0bamathotep story, just before the inauguration?

288 Ben Hur  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 9:45:26am

re: #262 Occasional Reader

Hear anything about whom? al-Qaeda? Absolutely. USS Cole, World Trade Center (first attack), African embassies attack, “Millennium Plot”, etc.

OK, before all that.

LOL!

Damn it!

289 yma o hyd  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 9:45:34am

re: #242 subsailor68

That’s on my reading list…heard it’s very good.

History redux indeed. I just hope we don’t get to the point where our currency is devalued to the levels of the Weimar Republic. (Remember the one with the man pushing a wheelbarrow full of currency to buy a loaf of bread?)

Ahem - the wheelbarrows full of currency came first … then they got it sorted, then there was Black October, 1929 … and as FDR bestrode the scene, Hitler came to power …

The one thing which puzzles me is, if democracy is such a difficult thing, and demands so many decisions - how is it possible for the Swiss to make just such decisions, all the time?
They have to vote on everything, from village and town council politics to Gau and national politics.

Somethign doesn’t add up here …

290 jhrhv  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 9:46:09am

I blame the MSM thy misled people into thinking this guy was qualified for the job of POTUS. They hid the truth of his connections despite blogs like this one showing he has a very tainted past which showed a history of bad decisions. They are still saying he is the best thing since sliced bread as he makes moves to turn a recession into the next great depression and emboldens ours greatest enemies while at the same time showing wavering support of allies. I only hope he, Peolsi, Reid and the rest of that motley crew can be stopped by smarter people who care for America and the rest of the free world.

291 brookly red  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 9:47:27am

re: #264 FurryOldGuyJeans

We might be going to the old Soviet style of elections, only one candidate. The RNC sure seems to want it by constantly fielding so many unprincipled candidates.

Maybe, but I am more inclined think that we have our choice between 2 candidates of the medias choice, kinda more like a national poll.

292 subsailor68  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 9:48:55am

re: #289 yma o hyd

Well, okay, but it’s still a disturbing image, eh?

:-)

On the Swiss, you raise a great question. My guess is they actually “think” before they pull the levers.

293 FurryOldGuyJeans  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 9:50:11am

re: #266 jwb7605

I was one of those guys who fell for the OODA theory.
Turns out McCain wasn’t applying it to Obama, he was applying it to us.

I remember all too well the temper tantrum that McCain had when he lost the nomination to Bush in 2000, despite a somewhat concerted Leftoid version of Rush’s Operation Chaos. He was supposed to be the anointed one and he just flipped out being as mean-spirited every chance he got to shove a knife into Bush during the last 8 years. I thought he was damaged goods from the get-go during the campaign, and was frankly gob-smacked he chose Palin.

294 VioletTiger  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 9:50:25am

I find it very ironic that the Dems criticized Bush for going into Iraq while not understanding the culture there, yet the Dems understand far less and get most of it wrong.

295 avanti  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 9:51:03am

re: #120 jcm

Krauthammer has taken Obama out of context.
/avanti

Not the case at all. He just has a different opinion of what the words mean. Here’s a example. If I say I don’t want low income housing built next to my house because I fear crime. I might mean that I know statistics show poor folks tend to have a higher crime rate then my present neighbors, but others will scream “Avanti is a racist’”

Krauthammer just sees the same words differently then I do.

296 calcajun  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 9:51:09am

re: #270 avanti

Mandy, one of the reasons I enjoy being on LGF is it”s almost like a alternate universe for me. I live in a blue state, surrounded by folks that are giddy about Obama and live in a country where Obama has some of the highest approval rating for a new President in history.

Here, at least I can read and ponder how those that disagree think and keep from being blinded by the light so to speak. We live in a country where some would vote for Daffy Duck if he was pro choice, or Mickey Mouse if he were pro life and the same for the hard core left and right and that just sucks in my opinion.

I’ll sit through the Obama is a Commie for the occasional ” I like what he said about this or that”, it shows you are not blinded by your light either.
While much of what you condemn, I praise, but that’s the nature of politics. I do enjoy hearing your opinions even if I may disagree with many of them. It’s just that neither side should live in a bubble, only hearing their slant. I tried that on leftie sites and although I was more welcomed, it was pretty boring.
As to the issue at hand, I don’t see it the way you do. You see weakness, I don’t. It’s as simple as that.

It does not matter if you see it as weakness. What matters is that the Iranians and the rest of the Muslim world see it as weakness.

When he says this, gives his interview, moves to close Gitmo and suspend further development of the space-based missile defense all in one week, it sends a message to the world not that we are a principled lot (which we are) but that we just hobbled ourselves; we have placed restraints on our ability to act and react to certain situations.

Frankly, what he does domestically is, right now, all about damage control. What he does in foreign affairs is critical in his early days. Remember, JFK’s perceived physical weakness at Vienna in 1961 set the stage for the Cuban Missile Crisis. History, I am afraid, will repeat itself.

297 FurryOldGuyJeans  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 9:52:37am

re: #283 Quintus_Arius

Unlike the economy, the GOP demise may have bottomed out. That unanimous ‘no’ vote was the turning point. Now, if the GOP senators hang tough it will be confirmed. I hope they ‘get it’.

The GOP seems to remember their principles when they are in the minority. The Dems are without principles — except wanting to win by any means — no matter what their status.

298 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 9:54:10am

re: #149 Bumr50

I posted this earlier to Doc, but if anyone wants to view and give input:

Gunmaking in Pakistan

Again, I apologize if this has been posted here already. Been kind of busy.
Girl is sick. Laundry is plentiful.

Don’t apologize. Any thread can become a Gun Thread. I don’t mind.

299 [deleted]  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 9:54:18am
300 Spiny Norman  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 9:54:43am

re: #280 Irenike

I am sick of hearing about how intelligent Obama is. Intelligence does not equal wisdom. Intelligence does not equal street smarts. The dude is an arrogant, dangerous intellectual egg-head, and he hangs out with other intellectual egg-heads who stroke his ego, and they all think they can out-talk and out-smart dirty thugs like Dinnerjacket. They’re like the self-important college kid who thinks he can go into the bad part of town and reform it because he speaks well, studied a lot of philosophy, and gets all “A”s on his report card.

The thugs of the world have this man’s number. They will steamroll him at the first opportunity. I just hope the rest of us don’t have to pay the price for his stupidity.

Reason #3,540 why Barry is Carter’s second term.

:spit:

301 SFGoth  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 9:55:27am

Ironically, Gene Roddenberry, otherwise a progressive of sorts, summed up the whole notion that diplomacy can solve problems between parties who are bound and determined to kill each other (which I would extend to a unilateral situation) in the episode “A Taste of Armageddon”, punctuated marvelously by Scottie’s (PBUH) comment: “Diplomats! The best diplomat I know is a fully charged phaser bank.”

302 calcajun  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 9:55:38am

re: #295 avanti

Krauthammer just sees the same words differently then I do.


No, he sees the words in the way those who seek to do us ill sees them. Yes, you and other idealists see the lofty meaning of the words—unfortunately, you were not the target audience. Others see through them in another context.

303 capitalist piglet  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 9:55:42am

re: #153 jwb7605

When he selected Palin, I was fooled for about a month and a half.

I got a fundraising raising letter from him yesterday, for his PAC. Under “Amount” I wrote $0.00, and after “Dear John,” I wrote, “I am so disappointed in you.”

At the convention, when he was repeating his “Fight with me!” line, he sort of grinned…he didn’t look at all serious or determined. Then in Wisconsin, he pronounced that Obama was a great guy and we had nothing to fear from his election. That was when he lost me emotionally. I voted for him, but that really bugged the hell out of me.

He was either lying to us, or that was what he really believed. And now look at us.

304 debutaunt  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 9:56:06am

re: #132 Walter L. Newton

I voted for him, but I still think we would have seen him “middlen” on a lot of these issues. It would have been a bit better, but not much.

*Standing on tiptoes, desperately looking around for new Reagan*

305 [deleted]  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 9:57:00am
306 Picayune  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 9:57:18am

Who else predicts - more palis/Islamists ROPers dancing in ME streets, soon?

It’s been 7 1/2 years, and with O’s overtures, are they getting itchy feet?

307 calcajun  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 9:57:24am

re: #301 SFGoth

Ironically, Gene Roddenberry, otherwise a progressive of sorts, summed up the whole notion that diplomacy can solve problems between parties who are bound and determined to kill each other (which I would extend to a unilateral situation) in the episode “A Taste of Armageddon”, punctuated marvelously by Scottie’s (PBUH) comment: “Diplomats! The best diplomat I know is a fully charged phaser bank.”

Agreed. The best time to negotiate with someone is when your foot is on their neck—and you tell them you feel like dancin’.

308 akak  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 9:57:40am

re: #41 Sharmuta

0bama wants us to respect the muslims- except the ones in Iraq living in a democracy we helped to establish.

No- in Iraq he wants to cut and run knowing full well that it will only help those who want to undermine real peace, freedom and security for the Iraqi people.

Seek a new way forward, based on mutual interest and mutual respect, indeed!

Before or after al-Maliki stacks the election for Shiites?

309 Kenneth  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 9:57:59am

re: #270 avanti

I appreciate your frankness. Could you please tell us what it is you like about Obama.

To his credit, I will agree he is intelligent, a good public speaker, and has a steady even temperament. All good things in a president.

On the negative, I think he is shockingly inexperienced, has a ideological bias toward statism and socialism (not Communism, but his “spread the wealth around” comment is pure Fabian socialism). I also object to his extreme position on abortion. On foreign policy, he has tended to blame America for her enemies and places far to much trust in the UN. On Iraq, he was dead wrong in opposing the surge, and absurd in insisting it didn’t work. His support for Israel is equivocal. In fact, in most of his foreign policy statements he has been slippery, equivocal and disingenuous.

Your turn.

310 avanti  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 9:58:35am

re: #296 calcajun

It does not matter if you see it as weakness. What matters is that the Iranians and the rest of the Muslim world see it as weakness.

IF they see it as a weakness, I agree. If the response from the Arab world signals that’s how they read it, it’s time to ratchet up the tone.

311 SFGoth  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 9:58:45am

re: #299 Iron Fist

I agree. The drug war is a failure. [ ] Think about it; you don’t see the guy driving the Budweiser truck shooting at the guy who drives the Coors truck if they happen to cross paths taking their beer to market like you would have seen during Prohibition.

Fight the battles that you can win.


Former Baltimore mayor Kurt Schmoke had the best line on the issue back in ‘87: no kid ever got rich peddling booze. I would add a very minor caveat: in high school, when we asked some random dude at 7/11 to buy us a 6-er or 12-er, we’d tip him in parking lot. ;-> Those were the days!

312 lobo91  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 10:00:01am

re: #296 calcajun

When he says this, gives his interview, moves to close Gitmo and suspend further development of the space-based missile defense all in one week, it sends a message to the world not that we are a principled lot (which we are) but that we just hobbled ourselves; we have placed restraints on our ability to act and react to certain situations.

It’s actually worse than that.

They actually believe Obama is doing those things because of their past actions, not because he hopes to curry favor with them.

It’s exactly the same message the Israelis sent by pulling out of Gaza. In the mind of the Palestinians, they forced the Israelis out. Since they were able to do that, it follows that they should next be able to force them out of the West bank, as well, if they simply continue on their previous course.

Obama’s actions are going to have exactly the same effect. There will be a marked increase in terrorism and beligerence from the Iranians, because he just showed them that their tactics work.

313 calcajun  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 10:00:53am

re: #310 avanti

IF they see it as a weakness, I agree. If the response from the Arab world signals that’s how they read it, it’s time to ratchet up the tone.

The “tone” may include some non-verbal communication; with Israel playing “Teller” to the US playing “Penn” in some sadistic magic trick involving disappearing uranium processing plants.

314 HippieforLife  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 10:02:43am

re: #44 LGoPs

The O would have to have a knowledge of history. For a so-called intelligent person he seems to be lacking in some areas. Like, how to be the President of the United States.

315 Kenneth  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 10:02:54am

re: #295 avanti

Not the case at all. He just has a different opinion of what the words mean. Here’s a example. If I say I don’t want low income housing built next to my house because I fear crime. I might mean that I know statistics show poor folks tend to have a higher crime rate then my present neighbors, but others will scream “Avanti is a racist’”

Krauthammer just sees the same words differently then I do.

So when Krauthammer says,

“America did not just respect Muslims, it bled for them. It engaged in five military campaigns, every one of which involved — and resulted in — the liberation of a Muslim people: Bosnia, Kosovo, Kuwait, Afghanistan and Iraq.”


How do you interpret those word differently? Like the word “bled” for example?

316 calcajun  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 10:02:55am

Sorry, must dash. Must earn $ today.

317 Ojoe  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 10:02:55am

Let’s run this through the Ojoe translator, which I think works for most Americans:

“If you hit me, your next of kin will regret it.”

318 Throbert McGee  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 10:02:58am

re: #232 Buck

I don’t have time to read the article, or all the comments, but

DID anyone include the Tsunami relief? The USA did more that any other country, and more than all the muslim and arab countries COMBINED

Check out this surprising and refreshing political cartoon drawn by a Muslim cartoonist in January 2005 — the Western infidel offers piles of money to help Muslim tsunami victims, while a wealthy Arab chucks one measly coin over his shoulder.

After seeing that cartoon soon after it originally appeared on the Web, I commented on my blog that the cartoonist implicitly understands the intended message of Jesus’s Good Samaritan parable — which, as far as I know, has no close analogue in the Koran or hadiths. (In Jesus’s story, a Jewish victim of highway robbers is ignored by two pillars of Jewish society before being helped by a dirty stinkin’ Samaritan — i.e., neither a Jew in good standing nor a respectable Gentile, but a “heretical” Jew.)

319 robdouth  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 10:03:11am

re: #313 calcajun

The “tone” may include some non-verbal communication; with Israel playing “Teller” to the US playing “Penn” in some sadistic magic trick involving disappearing uranium processing plants.

Yes but that would be BULLSHIT

320 DaChew  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 10:03:47am

Krauthammer is wrong. The U.S. did not liberate the Muslims of Bosnia, Kosovo, Kuwait, Afghanistan and Iraq.

In the minds of Islamists, true “Muslim Liberation” is to be subjugated to Sharia law. What the U.S. did was to provide the Muslims in those countries with a taste of secular democratic freedom - directly the opposite in almost every way to what they see as true Muslim liberation. Having given those people that taste, the U.S. has effectively lured them further away from achieving Islamic utopia. In that sense the U.S. has been anti-Muslim.

I will happily apologise for this type of anti-Muslim behaviour on the part of the U.S.. I am very sorry that Islamists feel their culture is disrespected and threatened when people are given a chance to live free and enjoy a lifestyle of their own choosing in direct contradiction to the dictates of Islamist religious views. I really am.

321 lobo91  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 10:04:38am

re: #310 avanti

IF they see it as a weakness, I agree. If the response from the Arab world signals that’s how they read it, it’s time to ratchet up the tone.

Unfortunately, I see nothing in his public statements or his choice of foreign policy advisors to indicate that he would agree with you.

When his apologies lead to more attacks, he’s going to respond with more apologies (or outright bribery).

322 calcajun  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 10:04:55am

re: #319 robdouth

To which I say, “Huh?”

323 derbigdog  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 10:05:11am

re: #13 Ben Hur

Obama’s campaign, politics and now presidency are not based in reality.

They are based in perceptiondeception.

324 Picayune  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 10:06:18am

re: #297 FurryOldGuyJeans

The GOP seems to remember their principles when they are in the minority. The Dems are without principles — except wanting to win by any means — no matter what their status.

True, but wanna bet that MAC votes with the Senate Dems on the stimulus (Generational Theft/Dem Payola for Playing/Future Inflation Beyond Counting) act?

325 Ojoe  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 10:07:57am

re: #324 Picayune

If stimulus spending worked, we would be prosperous at this very moment, because sure there was a lot of it going on already.

326 [deleted]  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 10:08:14am
327 akak  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 10:08:34am

re: #320 DaChew

Krauthammer is wrong. The U.S. did not liberate the Muslims of Bosnia, Kosovo, Kuwait, Afghanistan and Iraq.

In the minds of Islamists, true “Muslim Liberation” is to be subjugated to Sharia law. What the U.S. did was to provide the Muslims in those countries with a taste of secular democratic freedom - directly the opposite in almost every way to what they see as true Muslim liberation. Having given those people that taste, the U.S. has effectively lured them further away from achieving Islamic utopia. In that sense the U.S. has been anti-Muslim.

I will happily apologise for this type of anti-Muslim behaviour on the part of the U.S.. I am very sorry that Islamists feel their culture is disrespected and threatened when people are given a chance to live free and enjoy a lifestyle of their own choosing in direct contradiction to the dictates of Islamist religious views. I really am.


Qur’an 13:41 “Do they not see us advancing from all sides into the land (of the disbelievers), reducing its borders (by giving it to believers in war victories).

328 lobo91  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 10:08:50am

re: #324 Picayune

True, but wanna bet that MAC votes with the Senate Dems on the stimulus (Generational Theft/Dem Payola for Playing/Future Inflation Beyond Counting) act?

Of course he will.

329 Ojoe  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 10:09:21am

re: #326 Iron Fist

You have improved the translation.

330 Kenneth  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 10:09:37am

re: #320 DaChew

Actually, the US did liberate them.

But you do have a point. To the Western tradition of liberal democracy, the opposite of tyranny is freedom. To political Islam, the opposite of tyranny is not freedom, but order, as defined by Sharia. The fledgling liberal democracy in Iraq is seen by the Islamists as chaos. Not the car bombs and death squads, but the elections, free speech and equal rights for women: those are the things they see as chaos.

331 FurryOldGuyJeans  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 10:10:03am

Seeing the rise of anti-Semitism the last few months I doubt O really is distorting a good chunk of Americans’ stance on Muslims.

332 nikis-knight  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 10:10:34am

re: #115 Sharmuta

I Pledge….

to continue to state 0bama hates the Iraqis.

There is absolutely no understandable reason why 0bama would want to pull our support from Iraq yet reach out to iran. A newly free people getting tossed under the bus so he can play kissy face with thugs. I doubt this bus toss will have the miraculous, unscathed re-emergence that Samantha Power enjoyed. The Iraqis will be fucked, and he knows it.

The reason they want to pull out is because they think that America is arrogant and dangerous to the world community, and we need some international humiliation to put us in our place.
In other words, it was Bush’s illegal immoral war, so we deserve to lose. I don’t think that they can out right say that, but didn’t Obama say that our strength comes from the justness of our positions in his inaugeral address? And haven’t the Dems stresssed that this war in Iraq is not just? In other words, they believe that is isn’t really possible for us to win, reality be damned, so we had better just wise up and get out, regardless of the fact that we are doing great good for Iraq.

333 amused  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 10:11:19am

Every US president has to make nice with the Muslim world because of this:

Who has the oil?

And they know it.

334 Ojoe  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 10:11:35am

re: #332 nikis-knight

“Buss toss diplomacy”

To coin a phrase.

335 big steve  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 10:11:38am

Back in the 1980’s I was working for a Big Oil research center in the US. This particular company had a large R&D facility in the Netherlands that had been there since the 1920’s. During WWII, the German’s had taken over management of this R&D center and it reverted back to the company after the war.

A chemist working next door to me was doing research on phosgine, a very toxic chemical. He went to our library and found a reference in the company files to an article out of the Netherlands research center so he ordered a copy of the paper. When it arrived, it was in german and dated 1943. We had a translation service so he sent it to be transalated. A few days later the translator called him and said he had started on the translation but after the first page wished to stop translating it. The chemist asked why, and the translator told him that the graph on the first page of the research paper was a plot of the lethal dosage rates of phosgine on “100 kg Plus Jewish Females”

Obviously the chemist quickly agreed to not have the rest translated and threw it away.

336 lobo91  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 10:12:25am

re: #317 Ojoe

Let’s run this through the Ojoe translator, which I think works for most Americans:

“If you hit me, your next of kin will regret it.”

I prefer Clint Eastwood from Unforgiven: “All right, I’m coming out. Any man I see out there, I’m gonna shoot him. Any sumbitch takes a shot at me, I’m not only gonna kill him, but I’m gonna kill his wife, all his friends, and burn his damn house down.”

337 FurryOldGuyJeans  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 10:13:07am

re: #324 Picayune

True, but wanna bet that MAC votes with the Senate Dems on the stimulus (Generational Theft/Dem Payola for Playing/Future Inflation Beyond Counting) act?

The only bet I would take regarding McCain is whether he plays a Republican Eye-poking maverick, or he plays a Conservative Eye-poking maverick.

338 Lee Coller  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 10:13:15am

re: #330 Kenneth

Actually, the US did liberate them.

But you do have a point. To the Western tradition of liberal democracy, the opposite of tyranny is freedom. To political Islam, the opposite of tyranny is not freedom, but order, as defined by Sharia. The fledgling liberal democracy in Iraq is seen by the Islamists as chaos. Not the car bombs and death squads, but the elections, free speech and equal rights for women: those are the things they see as chaos.

I don’t have time to go back and read this entire thread, but regardless of whether or not Krauthammer has it right or wrong regarding the Muslims we’ve liberated from tyranny from the Muslim point of view, Obama has it completel wrong. He has the typical liberal mindset that if someone does something bad to you, its because you’ve wronged in some way. Bush had it right, they hate us because of who we are.

339 HippieforLife  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 10:13:44am

re: #104 MandyManners

I regret that I have only one upding to give!

340 avanti  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 10:15:16am

re: #309 Kenneth

I appreciate your frankness. Could you please tell us what it is you like about Obama.

To his credit, I will agree he is intelligent, a good public speaker, and has a steady even temperament. All good things in a president.

Mostly, his books. I admit, he may be naive, but he really thinks the right and left can work together as they once did. He hated the Dems are always right, GOP wrong stuff and the reverse. The fact that he met with the GOP on the hill, then invited them to the White House, shows me he’s trying. He pulled the birth control and mall renovation out of the stimulus bill, and added tax cuts to try and reach out, and predict he’ll make more concessions.
Of course, now the Dems are pushing back, saying screw um, lets put in back in the bill and ram it down there throat if they won’t work with us. Politics as usual.
He did keep Gates, and told him he could keep half his staff, losing a few 100 plum political jobs, all good news to me. The GOP has to be the loyal opposition, disagree when the idea is bad, and the same for the Dems, but some day, they’ll need to learn that a good idea is just that, no matter the author.

341 robdouth  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 10:15:20am

re: #322 calcajun

To which I say, “Huh?”

Penn and Teller have that show BULLSHIT on Showtime. It’s really popular, and won some emmy’s? Nothing? Forget it.

342 Kenneth  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 10:15:26am

re: #335 big steve

wow, that is horrific.

343 akak  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 10:15:48am

re: #337 FurryOldGuyJeans

Reform eye pokin maverick?

344 Lee Coller  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 10:16:13am

re: #340 avanti

Mostly, his books. I admit, he may be naive, but he really thinks the right and left can work together as they once did. He hated the Dems are always right, GOP wrong stuff and the reverse. The fact that he met with the GOP on the hill, then invited them to the White House, shows me he’s trying. He pulled the birth control and mall renovation out of the stimulus bill, and added tax cuts to try and reach out, and predict he’ll make more concessions.
Of course, now the Dems are pushing back, saying screw um, lets put in back in the bill and ram it down there throat if they won’t work with us. Politics as usual.
He did keep Gates, and told him he could keep half his staff, losing a few 100 plum political jobs, all good news to me. The GOP has to be the loyal opposition, disagree when the idea is bad, and the same for the Dems, but some day, they’ll need to learn that a good idea is just that, no matter the author.

The Dems and the Republicans working together ended with Obama’s retort of “I won.”

345 SFGoth  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 10:16:44am

He threw it away? WTF? Being Jewish, I’m sensitive to what it was, but it has to be kept otherwise Holocaust denial is made possible.

re: #335 big steve

Back in the 1980’s I was working for a Big Oil research center in the US. This particular company had a large R&D facility in the Netherlands that had been there since the 1920’s. During WWII, the German’s had taken over management of this R&D center and it reverted back to the company after the war.

A chemist working next door to me was doing research on phosgine, a very toxic chemical. He went to our library and found a reference in the company files to an article out of the Netherlands research center so he ordered a copy of the paper. When it arrived, it was in german and dated 1943. We had a translation service so he sent it to be transalated. A few days later the translator called him and said he had started on the translation but after the first page wished to stop translating it. The chemist asked why, and the translator told him that the graph on the first page of the research paper was a plot of the lethal dosage rates of phosgine on “100 kg Plus Jewish Females”

Obviously the chemist quickly agreed to not have the rest translated and threw it away.

346 Silhouette  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 10:17:21am

re: #335 big steve

It makes me feel like I got evil on my shirt just by hearing it.

347 avanti  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 10:17:52am

re: #313 calcajun

The “tone” may include some non-verbal communication; with Israel playing “Teller” to the US playing “Penn” in some sadistic magic trick involving disappearing uranium processing plants.

Good cop, bad cop. I’m reaching out, but I can’t say you won’t get your ass kicked by my partner if you don’t talk nice.

348 FurryOldGuyJeans  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 10:18:18am

re: #340 avanti

O’s idea of Left and Right working together is the Right doing exactly what he says. Witness his petulant “I won” comment to the House GOP.

349 big steve  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 10:18:20am

re: #345 SFGoth

He threw it away? WTF? Being Jewish, I’m sensitive to what it was, but it has to be kept otherwise Holocaust denial is made possible.

He threw it away because it disgusted him to even touch it after that. No doubt the original still exists in the company files in the Netherlands.

350 michaelhop  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 10:21:08am

More Obama executive orders fatwahs to come

351 Picayune  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 10:21:09am

re: #325 Ojoe

Yep, but looking at what the Dems are doing now, that was just an paltry appetizer - grab your wallet.

352 FurryOldGuyJeans  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 10:21:19am

re: #343 akak

Reform eye pokin maverick?

Oh, such wonderful reform that castrates the 1st amendment with his Campaign Finance Reform bill.

At least O had the balls to not fall for the bullshit.

353 big steve  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 10:21:48am

re: #348 FurryOldGuyJeans

O’s idea of Left and Right working together is the Right doing exactly what he says. Witness his petulant “I won” comment to the House GOP.

My son has a tee shirt that says, “Teamwork - A whole bunch of people doing things my way”

354 FurryOldGuyJeans  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 10:22:22am

re: #353 big steve

My son has a tee shirt that says, “Teamwork - A whole bunch of people doing things my way”

Heh. :)

355 HippieforLife  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 10:24:02am

re: #251 Kosh’s Shadow

He is already selling out the Jews. He has just given $20 million of our money to “Gaza relief”.

So glad we can stimulate the Gaza economy. /

356 thefallingman  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 10:24:39am
his self-inflation as redeemer


Krauthammer seems to forget that this is the defining characteristic of the Obama phenomenon.

357 lobo91  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 10:24:56am

re: #340 avanti

The fact that he met with the GOP on the hill, then invited them to the White House, shows me he’s trying.

Funny. All that meeting showed me was that he knows how to con the media. Of course, I already knew that.

He pulled the birth control and mall renovation out of the stimulus bill,

After half the media outlets in America held them up as examples of the bullshit that’s in that bill, yeah. Not because they were stupid things to be in there.

The GOP has to be the loyal opposition, disagree when the idea is bad, and the same for the Dems, but some day, they’ll need to learn that a good idea is just that, no matter the author.

Other than the tax cuts, there is virtually nothing in that porkfest that’s going to have any sort of positive effect on the economy. It’s a horrendously bad bill.

But I’m sure you support it.

358 FurryOldGuyJeans  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 10:25:09am

re: #355 HippieforLife

He is already selling out the Jews. He has just given $20 million of our money to “Gaza relief”.

So glad we can stimulate the Gaza economy. /

Yet all the man talks about is fixing OUR economy. What a load of shite the man is shoveling.

359 Picayune  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 10:25:47am

re: #337 FurryOldGuyJeans

Touche!

360 FurryOldGuyJeans  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 10:26:23am

re: #356 thefallingman

Krauthammer seems to forget that this is the defining characteristic of the Obama phenomenon.

He has enough awed worshipers wanting to fluff the man he is no longer in need of self-inflation.

361 avanti  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 10:26:46am

re: #344 Lee Coller

The Dems and the Republicans working together ended with Obama’s retort of “I won.”

You do know the Republicans in the room laughed at his joke and he said it with a grin. Even if you don’t accept that, accept this. He DID win, the voters chose him to do what he promised to do and he has the political capital to use.
If he truly felt that way, he would not be going to the GOP in congress, inviting them up for drinks, and the rest. He’s the President, has the House and Senate and does not need the Republicans, yet he’s trying to work with them. The far left is pissed that he gave the GOP a tax cut and pulled some items from the bill when they had the votes to just pass the thing as is.
Sure, part of the reason he’s playing nice is to snag some votes in 2012, but he’s still doing it.

362 brookly red  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 10:27:15am

re: #355 HippieforLife

He is already selling out the Jews. He has just given $20 million of our money to “Gaza relief”.

So glad we can stimulate the Gaza economy. /

That lunch money comment comes to mind.

363 Kenneth  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 10:28:26am

re: #340 avanti

Every past president has invited all members of congress to the White House. Bush invited Obama when he was first elected a US Senator. So the fact he invited GOP is hardly remarkable.
%P%
As for “loyal” opposition, the past 8 years the Democrats were appallingly disloyal.

Yes, the fact he kept Gates as Sec-Def is good, and I like his choice for NSA, Gen. James Jones. He is known to speak his mind, & is unlikely to be the sycophant Condi was to Bush.

As for the economic bill, Obama had better wield a sharp knife to cut out all that needless pork, crypto-socialist programs and trade protectionism. As it stands, the bill is a disaster.

So you like his books? That’s swell. Did you know, that by the time Obama finishes his first (& hopefully last) term, he will have held down the longest full time job of his career? Heck of a job, Barry.

Other things I don’t like about Obama: his racist pastor, Wright, his terrorist neighbor, Ayers, and his convicted former fundraiser, Rezko.

And the thing that really creeps me out is the strong whiff of narcissism coming off the One. It would be a very dangerous thing to have a president with Narcissistic Personality Disorder.

364 avanti  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 10:28:43am

re: #355 HippieforLife

He is already selling out the Jews. He has just given $20 million of our money to “Gaza relief”.

So glad we can stimulate the Gaza economy. /

Not a fair comment, GW gave money, as did many Presidents and it was not taken as anti Jewish.

365 akak  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 10:29:37am

re: #355 HippieforLife

He is already selling out the Jews. He has just given $20 million of our money to “Gaza relief”.

So glad we can stimulate the Gaza economy. /


That’s so typical, the estimate for the fix 6-700 mill.

Saudi’s gave a billion.

Why should anyone else? connections to terror worldwide

366 FurryOldGuyJeans  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 10:29:47am

re: #361 avanti

He’s only doing it to in an attempt to strongarm the GOP into complying with his directives and wants. Nothing of the man’s words or actions shows true bi-partisanship.

367 SFGoth  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 10:30:36am

re: #349 big steve

He threw it away because it disgusted him to even touch it after that. No doubt the original still exists in the company files in the Netherlands.

Ok.
I have a copy of a typed letter from a distant cousin in Prague to a closer cousin in L.A., circa March, 1939, introducing himself as family and begging for help to get him and his family out. He was a lawyer, his wife was a nurse, and they had 2 kids. He didn’t get help. He finally got to Canada; the rest of his family perished. The letter is chilling and very sad.

368 brookly red  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 10:31:56am

re: #364 avanti

That is true. Perhaps it is just the timing?

369 Kenneth  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 10:32:06am

re: #356 thefallingman

Krauthammer seems to forget that this is the defining characteristic of the Obama phenomenon.

No, Krauthammer hasn’t forgotten that. He was one of the first mainstream journalists to write about Obama’s narcissism.


Americans are beginning to notice Obama’s elevated opinion of himself.

There’s nothing new about narcissism in politics. Every senator looks in the mirror and sees a president. Nonetheless, has there ever been a presidential nominee with a wider gap between his estimation of himself and the sum total of his lifetime achievements?

Obama is a three-year senator without a single important legislative achievement to his name, a former Illinois state senator who voted “present” nearly 130 times. As president of the Harvard Law Review, as law professor and as legislator, has he ever produced a single notable piece of scholarship? Written a single memorable article? His most memorable work is a biography of his favorite subject: himself.

370 thefallingman  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 10:32:12am

re: #360 FurryOldGuyJeansHe may not need to, but he still does and always will.

371 kynna  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 10:34:05am

re: #310 avanti

IF they see it as a weakness, I agree. If the response from the Arab world signals that’s how they read it, it’s time to ratchet up the tone.

They do see it as a weakness. If history has taught us nothing, it should at least have taught us that.

You may know the definition of insanity: doing the same thing over and over expecting different results each time.

That is not ‘reaching out’. That is just plain stupid.

372 lobo91  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 10:34:47am

re: #366 FurryOldGuyJeans

He’s only doing it to in an attempt to strongarm the GOP into complying with his directives and wants. Nothing of the man’s words or actions shows true bi-partisanship.

I’m assuming that he may actually be afraid the Republicans have enough votes in the Senate to fillibuster. That’s the only thing that makes sense, because as someone already pointed out, he doesn’t actually need any Republican votes to pass this steaming pile of dogshit.

I’d be amazed if a fillibuster actually happened, given the number of RINOs in the Senate, but it could happen. There might be one or two Democrats with some principles over there, like the 11 who voted against it in the House.

373 avanti  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 10:35:50am

re: #363 Kenneth

I agree, the Dems were awful for the last 8 years, that’s why we need a change. If the next 4-8 years is all about GOP payback, we’ll never break the cycle.

As to Obama’s associates, I’ll judge him on his actions, not on his associates. I recall many on the right predicting a radical left cabinet and we got one with largely bipartisan support.

374 thefallingman  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 10:36:23am

re: #369 Kenneth
That was just a rhetorical device. I am aware that Krauthammer has always been at least skeptical of Obama if not outright opposed.

375 HippieforLife  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 10:37:12am

re: #364 avanti

It is not a matter of being anti Jewish. I guess I did not notice how much money he sent to Israel for “relief”.

Do you know?

376 avanti  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 10:39:18am

re: #368 brookly red

That is true. Perhaps it is just the timing?

I think the timing had to do with he fact that Gaza had some recent remodeling due to the actions of Hamas.

377 DistantThunder  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 10:41:35am

I saw John McCain interviewed this morning. he said he is bitterly disappointed that Obama and the democrats did not allow them to have a single bit of input into the bill. Not one.

378 brookly red  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 10:43:50am

re: #376 avanti

I think the timing had to do with he fact that Gaza had some recent remodeling due to the actions of Hamas.

Interesting. But I still think it is rewarding bad behavior.

379 debutaunt  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 10:44:15am

re: #336 lobo91

I prefer Clint Eastwood from Unforgiven: “All right, I’m coming out. Any man I see out there, I’m gonna shoot him. Any sumbitch takes a shot at me, I’m not only gonna kill him, but I’m gonna kill his wife, all his friends, and burn his damn house down.”

In Diner, Tim Daly said he’d hit someone so hard their whole family would die.

380 Kenneth  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 10:46:18am

re: #373 avanti

I agree, the Dems were awful for the last 8 years, that’s why we need a change. If the next 4-8 years is all about GOP payback, we’ll never break the cycle.

I gave you a first upding for that comment.

As to Obama’s associates, I’ll judge him on his actions, not on his associates. I recall many on the right predicting a radical left cabinet and we got one with largely bipartisan support.

Character chooses like. Nobody forced Obama to make a sleazy real estate deal with a sleazy slum lord. He chose to do that. Likewise, Obama chose to launch his political career from the home of an unrepentant terrorist. And there are a few radicals rattling around the president: Samantha Power for one. Do you like her idea of using US troops to occupy Israel, Gaza & the West Bank to enforce a peaceful two state solution on the Arabs & Israelis? The idea is pure insanity. Only a leftist academic could be that foolish.

381 Kenneth  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 10:47:19am

re: #377 DistantThunder

I saw John McCain interviewed this morning. he said he is bitterly disappointed that Obama and the democrats did not allow them to have a single bit of input into the bill. Not one.


What part of “I won!” don’t you understand?

382 DistantThunder  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 10:48:45am

Avanti have you heard of “confidence men”? They intentionally build up massive levels of confidence in people, usually desperate people, and then fail to deliver what they promised. They are also know as “con-men” - and with good reason.

Obama and this group of Chicago Mafia are grifters who have failed spectacularly in Chicago.

Failed to control the crime rate - the second highest in the country.

Failed to control the city tax rate - the higest in the country.

Failed to control the illiteracy rate - obama’s education secretary comes from an area where only 18% of 8th grade students are at grade level for reading.

Failed to protect second ammendment rights, and now have created a “slaughter zone” in Chicago which had more deaths than Bagdad.

And on and on it goes.

383 Picayune  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 10:49:28am

re: #361 avanti
Think this thru, again.

O and the Dems are now running scared, that’s why the “Botox Queen” and O are desperate to gain some, any, Repub votes on their Porkfest - cause they know if it fails to work in 18 months, they’re in really deep do do!

The beauty now is, 11 or so House Dems voted with every single Repup - against Porkfest, and that hurts. O campaigned for bi-partisan gov, but he and Ms Nancy have now reveled the truth, as in, “We Won!” , so, “F off.” They have both said it, and Dingy Harry has sung this tune now, as well.

The only bi-partisan action in Porkfest has been by the 11 Dems who voted with all Repubs - against it, got it? The voters see this all to well.

Re-think it, and hope that the Senate Repubs will show some balls in support of their House counterparts on Porkfest. Remember Newt in “94. If Porkfest fails - it could be 1994 again for the Repubs, 2 years hence. There is No bi-partisanship here, and these chickens may well come home to roost on O/Dems.

384 calcajun  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 10:50:29am

re: #363 Kenneth

And the thing that really creeps me out is the strong whiff of narcissism coming off the One. It would be a very dangerous thing to have a president with Narcissistic Personality Disorder.

Like, say, Clinton?

385 avanti  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 10:51:02am

re: #372 lobo91

I’m assuming that he may actually be afraid the Republicans have enough votes in the Senate to fillibuster. That’s the only thing that makes sense, because as someone already pointed out, he doesn’t actually need any Republican votes to pass this steaming pile of dogshit.

I’d be amazed if a fillibuster actually happened, given the number of RINOs in the Senate, but it could happen. There might be one or two Democrats with some principles over there, like the 11 who voted against it in the House.

Here’s my prediction. Omama will cleanup more in the bill, getting good press for every concession. When the bill passes, he will have some GOP support for those up for reelection in 2010. They don’t want to take the chance that Obama will stlll be popular if the economy turns around.
The Dems are already compiled lists of job that will be created in those states that they’ll use against the GOP. If the vote against it, their only hope is that it fails miserably.

386 DistantThunder  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 10:51:21am

re: #380 Kenneth

Character chooses like. Nobody forced Obama to make a sleazy real estate deal with a sleazy slum lord. He chose to do that. Likewise, Obama chose to launch his political career from the home of an unrepentant terrorist. And there are a few radicals rattling around the president: Samantha Power for one. Do you like her idea of using US troops to occupy Israel, Gaza & the West Bank to enforce a peaceful two state solution on the Arabs & Israelis? The idea is pure insanity. Only a leftist academic could be that foolish.

Samantha Powers is married to animal nut Cass Sunstein, who Obama has chosen as our new regulatory csar. He beleives that pet ownership is slavery, that animals should be able to sue humans - and wrote a book on animals rights, that meat eating should be “phased out,” and that hunting should be banned immediately.

These are not normal mainstream people. They are radicals.

387 peppermintboy  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 10:51:29am

Pure logic. Great article.

Obama is a very smart man. Every word chosen carefully. I’m starting to believe that position of his could be …purposed driven?

388 SFGoth  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 10:53:15am

re: #377 DistantThunder

I saw John McCain interviewed this morning. he said he is bitterly disappointed that Obama and the democrats did not allow them to have a single bit of input into the bill. Not one.

His wife probably makes him wear her panties over his objection too. Shutup McCain. It’s not that you lost the election, it’s that you’re a Loser. Obama took your lunch money, bought ice cream for your sweetheart, and now you expect him to allow you to weigh in on the homecoming decorations? Are you nuts?

389 Kenneth  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 10:53:52am

re: #384 calcajun

As far as I can tell, Obama is worse than Clinton. What Bubba wanted to do to that cute intern, Obama wants to do to the whole damn country.

390 DistantThunder  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 10:54:01am

re: #383 Picayune

Think this thru, again.

O and the Dems are now running scared, that’s why the “Botox Queen” and O are desperate to gain some, any, Repub votes on their Porkfest - cause they know if it fails to work in 18 months, they’re in really deep do do!

The beauty now is, 11 or so House Dems voted with every single Repup - against Porkfest, and that hurts. O campaigned for bi-partisan gov, but he and Ms Nancy have now reveled the truth, as in, “We Won!” , so, “F off.” They have both said it, and Dingy Harry has sung this tune now, as well.

The only bi-partisan action in Porkfest has been by the 11 Dems who voted with all Repubs - against it, got it? The voters see this all to well.

Re-think it, and hope that the Senate Repubs will show some balls in support of their House counterparts on Porkfest. Remember Newt in “94. If Porkfest fails - it could be 1994 again for the Repubs, 2 years hence. There is No bi-partisanship here, and these chickens may well come home to roost on O/Dems.

200 Economists Call Obama a Liar in full-page ad in NYTimes, Washington Post, and Roll Call. They say he is doing the opposite of what will actually work. Several Nobel Laureates are included in the names.

391 nikis-knight  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 10:54:11am

re: #385 avanti

Here’s my prediction. Omama will cleanup more in the bill, getting good press for every concession. When the bill passes, he will have some GOP support for those up for reelection in 2010. They don’t want to take the chance that Obama will stlll be popular if the economy turns around.
The Dems are already compiled lists of job that will be created in those states that they’ll use against the GOP. If the vote against it, their only hope is that it fails miserably.

That is an enormously safe bet, unless success is defined as inflating governmental reach as well as our currency.

392 avanti  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 10:55:09am

re: #380 Kenneth

Character chooses like. Nobody forced Obama to make a sleazy real estate deal with a sleazy slum lord. He chose to do that. Likewise, Obama chose to launch his political career from the home of an unrepentant terrorist. And there are a few radicals rattling around the president: Samantha Power for one. Do you like her idea of using US troops to occupy Israel, Gaza & the West Bank to enforce a peaceful two state solution on the Arabs & Israelis? The idea is pure insanity. Only a leftist academic could be that foolish.

If you expect me to suggest that Obama did not climb the ladder of success without knowing he was stepping on some shiity rungs, you’d be wrong. His membership in his church, association with Ayr’s and the rest where about connections to power. Politics is a dirty business at times.

393 DistantThunder  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 10:55:17am

re: #388 SFGoth

His wife probably makes him wear her panties over his objection too. Shutup McCain. It’s not that you lost the election, it’s that you’re a Loser. Obama took your lunch money, bought ice cream for your sweetheart, and now you expect him to allow you to weigh in on the homecoming decorations? Are you nuts?

Obama should know that all he had to do was make a mimimal effort and let in one or two things form Republicans and McCain might help him. But Obama has never been bipartsan but always hyperpartisan.

394 big steve  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 10:56:09am

re: #389 Kenneth

cute intern?

are we talking about Monica…..cute?

395 Kenneth  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 10:56:33am

re: #385 avanti

Here’s my prediction…Omama…getting good press for every concession.

That’s all you really need to say.

396 Kenneth  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 10:57:17am

re: #394 big steve

To Bill’s eye. Hell, he married Hillary!

397 avanti  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 10:57:22am

re: #394 big steve

are we talking about Monica…..cute?

Maybe not, but even a bad BJ, is pretty nice at the end.

398 Bombarafat  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 10:58:10am

#37

www.obamaclock.org

399 DistantThunder  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 10:58:20am

re: #392 avanti

If you expect me to suggest that Obama did not climb the ladder of success without knowing he was stepping on some shiity rungs, you’d be wrong. His membership in his church, association with Ayr’s and the rest where about connections to power. Politics is a dirty business at times.

“You do what you gotta do,” is a criminal mantra. Contrast with Sarah Pallin, who upon discovering corruption in her own party - took them on. Fought them, exposed them, sent them to jail, forced people to resign.

Obama went along, to get along, and looked the other way. His fund raiser and friend is in prison. That is sleazy, unethical, and reflects a complete lack of integrity.

400 Kenneth  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 11:00:45am

re: #397 avanti

Like I said, Bill was married to Hillary. Nuff said.

401 vagabond trader  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 11:00:57am

Exactly as I feared. Make nice with Iran, leave Israel out to dry.Lizards, this is not a whim, it is a plan.

402 avanti  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 11:03:07am

re: #395 Kenneth

That’s all you really need to say.

He’s the puppet master when it comes to that, and don’t forget that 20 million mail, e-mail list. If you were on it, you get lots of nice, ciickable links to help pass a bill.
That and several 1000 local community fan groups are just waiting for guidance. You guys need to circle the wagons over your major issues and choose your fights carefully.

403 avanti  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 11:06:38am

re: #399 DistantThunder

“You do what you gotta do,” is a criminal mantra. Contrast with Sarah Pallin, who upon discovering corruption in her own party - took them on. Fought them, exposed them, sent them to jail, forced people to resign.

Obama went along, to get along, and looked the other way. His fund raiser and friend is in prison. That is sleazy, unethical, and reflects a complete lack of integrity.

Please don’t take offense, but Palin would not be able to get elected without getting her hands dirty at some point running for POTUS. I’ll grant you that politics in Alaska is cleaner then Chicago.

404 lobo91  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 11:07:36am

I don’t know about anyone else but I intend to raise money for whoever is running against any Republican Senator who votes for this bill.

This may be the single worst piece of legislation they’ve tried to foist on us in my lifetime (only because I wasn’t around during FDR’s time, of course).

405 vagabond trader  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 11:08:14am

re: #402 avanti

lol, as if he needs assistance to coerce the libral lemmings in congress. Wait til all those nice Independent middle America typical bitter white folks find out the reality of what they voted for. Ba-bye in 2010.

406 Kenneth  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 11:12:30am

re: #402 avanti

oh, I’m on his email list. There’s no end to the notices I get from him.

407 Picayune  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 11:12:42am

re: #402 avanti

“That and several 1000 local community fan groups are just waiting for guidance. You guys need to circle the wagons over your major issues and choose your fights carefully.”

Guidance? What, you mean - as in the $ 4 Billion from Porkfest/O for Acorn types, to help fund their legal defense against Voter Registration/Fraud (Mickey Mouse and the entire starting line up of the Dallas Cowboys registered in Lost Wages for O) charges in 14 states, courtesy of the FBI.

Yea, that’s some fan club - the Chi Way!
Yea, fraud pays, don’t it? Soon enough, O will have to be choosing his fights carefully.

408 avanti  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 11:17:36am

re: #405 vagabond trader

lol, as if he needs assistance to coerce the libral lemmings in congress. Wait til all those nice Independent middle America typical bitter white folks find out the reality of what they voted for. Ba-bye in 2010.

It’s too early to tell, but it’ll take a major shift in the electorate. There are now more Dems the Republicans, his approval with that base is 88%, independents in the high 60.s and about even with GOP voters. He can piss away some of the far left support to expand the base, and I suspect he will.

409 DistantThunder  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 11:20:23am

re: #403 avanti

Please don’t take offense, but Palin would not be able to get elected without getting her hands dirty at some point running for POTUS. I’ll grant you that politics in Alaska is cleaner then Chicago.

I disagree - she would not have to choose to consort with people committing criminal acts like Rezko - and don’t forget Obama partnered with Ayers for 5 years on the Anneberg project- said he thought he was reformed. Imagine if McCain had partnered with an abortion clinic bomber for 5 years- the press would have destroyed him.

Obama’s biggest flaw is his lack of integrity - just one example is that he told the press that Ayers wasn’t a friend, just “some guy” in my neighborhood. Now we know the truth about their long, personal relationship. Ayers now says they are family friends, and the Ayers babysat the obama girls.

Those type of lies make someone dangerous, and impossible to trust.

410 avanti  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 11:21:32am

re: #407 Picayune

“That and several 1000 local community fan groups are just waiting for guidance. You guys need to circle the wagons over your major issues and choose your fights carefully.”

Guidance? What, you mean - as in the $ 4 Billion from Porkfest/O for Acorn types, to help fund their legal defense against Voter Registration/Fraud (Mickey Mouse and the entire starting line up of the Dallas Cowboys registered in Lost Wages for O) charges in 14 states, courtesy of the FBI.

Yea, that’s some fan club - the Chi Way!
Yea, fraud pays, don’t it? Soon enough, O will have to be choosing his fights carefully.

The 4 billion mentioned is to HUD, not ACORN, nothing in thebill about ACORN if you read it. ACORN can bid for some of the home renovation money, but nothing for their voter registration segment. It would be easy to add that last part into the bill to get rid of that concern.

411 lobo91  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 11:22:30am

re: #408 avanti

It’s too early to tell, but it’ll take a major shift in the electorate. There are now more Dems the Republicans, his approval with that base is 88%, independents in the high 60.s and about even with GOP voters. He can piss away some of the far left support to expand the base, and I suspect he will.

That part’s going to take care of itself. Two years from now, when unemployment is at 12%, mortgages are going for 18%, and credit card rate are up to 35%, his popularity’s going to be in the single digits (coincidentally, about the same number of “jobs” that will have been created by his great “stimulus” porkfest).

412 DistantThunder  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 11:23:04am

re: #408 avanti

It’s too early to tell, but it’ll take a major shift in the electorate. There are now more Dems the Republicans, his approval with that base is 88%, independents in the high 60.s and about even with GOP voters. He can piss away some of the far left support to expand the base, and I suspect he will.

But Obama ran as a moderate, cutting taxes, strong defense - but now has swung back to who he really is -a leftist radical. He deliberately conned people into believing that he was more moderate - if he had run like he is now acting - he wouldn’t have won.

413 akak  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 11:23:47am

re: #389 Kenneth

As far as I can tell, Obama is worse than Clinton. What Bubba wanted to do to that cute intern, Obama wants to do to the whole damn country.


how wonderful for America!


“an anti-Israel Palestinian activist once commended by President Obama has predicted the end of Israel, which, he boasted, is “within reach, in our lifetimes.”

Mr President you really should stop taking those crackberry emails.

414 JimV  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 11:24:15am

If memory serves, wasn’t Ahmadinejad picked out in a photo of the terrorists with the hostages in ‘79?

415 RondinellaMamma  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 11:25:26am

re: #87 Walter L. Newton

You are spot-on, Walter.
They do know exactly what they are doing.

Unfortunately, the rest of our country has it’s head up it’s ass -
Case(s) in point
In one of our local papers yesterday the front page of a section showed local Muslim girls in full cover-up mode at a pool. The article went on to describe all the “fabulous” concessions our local governments and schools (!) are making for them so that they can assimilate into American culture.
(who knew that’s what assimilation meant!)

The day before , in a very public place, I overheard two men - who must have been in their 50’s - discussing Obama’s stance on abortion. Neither one of them had a clue that he was pro-abortion! They both thought he was pro-life!

Yes, this is the age of Obama - it’s the age of the uninformed, unwilling -to -see-the-handwriting-on-the-wall.

416 akak  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 11:25:36am

re: #410 avanti

The 4 billion mentioned is to HUD, not ACORN, nothing in thebill about ACORN if you read it. ACORN can bid for some of the home renovation money, but nothing for their voter registration segment. It would be easy to add that last part into the bill to get rid of that concern.

HUD guy is ACORN guy
$1 is a $1 same pot troll

417 DistantThunder  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 11:25:58am

re: #414 JimV

If memory serves, wasn’t Ahmadinejad picked out in a photo of the terrorists with the hostages in ‘79?

Yes, and also remember that Clinton installed and legitimized Arafat even though ARafat had orchestrated the Munich Massacre. No one seems to be too dirty for liberals except those liberals willing to take down other liberals - like Blago.

418 DistantThunder  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 11:27:03am

re: #415 RondinellaMamma

You are spot-on, Walter.
They do know exactly what they are doing.

Unfortunately, the rest of our country has it’s head up it’s ass -
Case(s) in point
In one of our local papers yesterday the front page of a section showed local Muslim girls in full cover-up mode at a pool. The article went on to describe all the “fabulous” concessions our local governments and schools (!) are making for them so that they can assimilate into American culture.
(who knew that’s what assimilation meant!)

The day before , in a very public place, I overheard two men - who must have been in their 50’s - discussing Obama’s stance on abortion. Neither one of them had a clue that he was pro-abortion! They both thought he was pro-life!

Yes, this is the age of Obama - it’s the age of the uninformed, unwilling -to -see-the-handwriting-on-the-wall.

Soros did fund a group that was designed to make obama look pro-life. I saw the ad - and it was a completely lie. More deception.

419 Kenneth  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 11:27:42am

re: #408 avanti

Honeymoon phase support is very transitory. He will soon fall to his “natural” level of support and will have to work from there.

420 lobo91  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 11:29:04am

re: #418 DistantThunder

Soros did fund a group that was designed to make obama look pro-life. I saw the ad - and it was a completely lie. More deception.

I’m sure there are a few gun owners out there who voted for him as well, based on those fraudulent ads claiming that he was pro-gun.

Soros probably paid for those, too.

421 Picayune  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 11:30:36am

re: #410 avanti

The Repubs stripped this same attempt out of the Autumn TARP bailout, and the Dems just put it back in Porkfest.

As to ways and means, just look at O’s campaign $832,000 donation to these types (Acorn). He got caught and had to amend his campaign finance report form last Summer, which noted the funds for lighting and other ludicrous BS.

If there is a Chicago will, there is always a Chi way.

422 Kenneth  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 11:30:44am

re: #411 lobo91

Don’t forget the shiny new glass craters in parts of the Middle East. Obama’s “robust diplomacy” could fail spectacularly.

423 Kenneth  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 11:32:44am

re: #414 JimV

If memory serves, wasn’t Ahmadinejad picked out in a photo of the terrorists with the hostages in ‘79?

That has been asserted, but not definitively proven. There is a photo of a short, swarthy bearded guy with beady little eyes. A dead ringer for Ahmadinejad. But then so are plenty of guys over there.

424 Picayune  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 11:33:25am

re: #414 JimV

Damn Skippy, and some of the US hostages have attested to the fact.

425 calcajun  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 11:34:21am

re: #389 Kenneth

As far as I can tell, Obama is worse than Clinton. What Bubba wanted to do to that cute intern, Obama wants to do to the whole damn country.

No, he wants the country to do it to him.

The difference between the two is that Bubba was a consummate politician who could deftly co-opt the ideas of the GOP and claim them as his own. I do not see Barry being able to do that. Unlike Bill, he’ll be a one-termer if the GOP wins back the House and Senate in 2010 (a tall order right now, but circumstances can change)

426 avanti  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 11:41:23am

re: #412 DistantThunder

But Obama ran as a moderate, cutting taxes, strong defense - but now has swung back to who he really is -a leftist radical. He deliberately conned people into believing that he was more moderate - if he had run like he is now acting - he wouldn’t have won.

Funny you should say that, because the far left is ticked off that’s he’s moved to the right. I just watched a press briefing that was questioning the “buy American” clause in the stimulus bill, claiming it violates the free trade act. He’ll never please both extremes.

427 michaelhop  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 11:49:08am

re: #381 Kenneth

What part of “I won!” don’t you understand?

The part where there’s no “I” in Team, as in teamwork

428 DaddyG  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 11:51:44am
LGF’s “Occasional Reader” has a great take on this:

I’ve run this through the Universal Translator. It comes back: “Here’s my lunch money, please don’t hit me.”

Where is this comment so I can upding it!

429 abolitionist  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 11:54:05am

re: #270 avanti

I wish to thank you for your service, and say welcome to LGF. I like your attitude, and hope you will stick around, despite disagreements.

430 Shr_Nfr  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 11:54:13am

Krauthammer ought to be smarter than that. The 60 years dates from the time when we had the Shah in this country and then shipped him back to Iran in the early 1950s. The feckless Dhimmi Carter destabilized Iran more than you can imagine when he let the Shah into this country for cancer treatment. The Iranians saw this as a do over of the previous action. That is why the number is 60 years.

431 akak  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 12:10:10pm

re: #430 Shr_Nfr+
Qur’an 9:5, “lie in wait and ambush them using every stratagem of war.”

432 avanti  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 12:15:58pm

re: #429 abolitionist

I wish to thank you for your service, and say welcome to LGF. I like your attitude, and hope you will stick around, despite disagreements.

I’ll try, I do enjoy the discussion, and thanks for the kind words.

433 descolada9  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 12:30:40pm

I would call Obama a tool, but that might be an insult to the tools out there. He is, however, a naive fool who doesn’t understand how the world really works. His actions and words might well cost more American lives.

434 DisturbedEma  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 12:35:05pm

re: #426 avanti

Funny you should say that, because the far left is ticked off that’s he’s moved to the right. I just watched a press briefing that was questioning the “buy American” clause in the stimulus bill, claiming it violates the free trade act. He’ll never please both extremes.

True- but how far will he go to appease his fringe left base? Gitmo closed? Check, emissions and the auto industry? Check…up next, bye bye coal?…we will see.

435 DisturbedEma  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 12:37:25pm

re: #433 descolada9

I would call Obama a tool, but that might be an insult to the tools out there. He is, however, a naive fool who doesn’t understand how the world really works. His actions and words might well cost more American lives.

and no one asked for any sort of information about him that explained what we did know, or played to his advantage when he did getcaught with his associations down…

WRIGHT
AYERS
ACORN
ANTI ISRAEL FRIENDS BY THE BUCKETFUL…

MSM SAYS- non issue…nothing to see here…and America believed it.

436 calcajun  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 12:38:19pm

re: #432 avanti

I’ll try, I do enjoy the discussion, and thanks for the kind words.

There’s nothing wrong with honest debate and a good tussle. Glad to have you around. Who knows, we might actually convert you to Conservatism. ;)

437 DisturbedEma  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 12:40:47pm

re: #436 calcajun

There’s nothing wrong with honest debate and a good tussle. Glad to have you around. Who knows, we might actually convert you to Conservatism. ;)


Honest debate…wow what a concept…too bad it is so rare these days…yay LGF

438 avanti  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 12:48:50pm

re: #434 DisturbedEma

True- but how far will he go to appease his fringe left base? Gitmo closed? Check, emissions and the auto industry? Check…up next, bye bye coal?…we will see.

Gitmo should not be much of a issue since McCain pledged to do the same. Emission, CAFE standards and clean coal should not be a left/right issue in my opinion, we all breath mostly the same air, but some states do have more emission problems, a sort of states rights issue.

439 avanti  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 12:53:16pm

re: #436 calcajun

There’s nothing wrong with honest debate and a good tussle. Glad to have you around. Who knows, we might actually convert you to Conservatism. ;)

I once tried to say that I was a social liberal, but a fiscal conservative and was called a far left baby murderer on here.
Not likely to swing that far right socially for me.

440 [deleted]  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 12:57:09pm
441 abolitionist  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 1:02:41pm

re: #438 avanti

Gitmo should not be much of a issue since McCain pledged to do the same. Emission, CAFE standards and clean coal should not be a left/right issue in my opinion, we all breath mostly the same air, but some states do have more emission problems, a sort of states rights issue.

Biden has stated the dem policy on coal basically as Let China build their dirty new coal plants. We can work with them with technology transfers etc, to make them not quite so dirty, but let us build zero of our own. Obama has promised bankruptcy to builders of any new coal-based industries (power, steel etc) here in the USA.

I think that takes the coal issues beyond states rights. The power grid is national and even international.

442 Code Red 21  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 1:06:54pm

I’m sick and tired of reading and hearing about how intelligent BO is, I didn’t believe it before he got elected and he’s done nothing to change my mind since being elected. Actually the world has been sold Wilbur the pig from Charlotte’s Web. He’s intelligent, he’s wonderful, he’s terrific, he’s humble his virtue’s are endless. No, he’s got slick handlers, a country that’s becoming overburdened by parasites, and a world that’s trying to appease the unappeasable muslims by turning their back on the Jews. People are seeing him the way his handlers want them to see him not actually for what he is…he’s Wilbur, only he’s more dangerous.

443 offendi  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 1:09:47pm

I have read many of the comments here but I think some overlook the reality of the situation. The guy or woman who lost their job today expects real results from Barry. An honest evaluation of his stimulus package indicates that it will not do that in a time frame that most Americans want.

The fact that he has chosen, as a mixed race person, to make himself a full-fledged African-American will only impact his fawning media coverage, the majority of Americans, to their credit, don’t think that is a basis to support either his failings or successes.

His administration will be exposed as the emperor has no clothes if he fails.
Most Americans still subscribe to capitalism and basic conservatism. The future depends on whether Republicans have intestinal fortitude or not.

444 _RememberTonyC  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 1:10:13pm

Since 9/11, we did have a plan under Dubya. The plan was to fight jihadis on their soil and try to help build a couple of democracies in the muslim world (Iraq & Afghanistan). Fighting islamonazis AND building what we hoped would be democracies in the heart of the muslim world WAS a good plan. But since obama did not support invading Iraq, his pride was hurt when things started turning for the better. And so it appears that he’d rather turn his back on our successes in Iraq than have to admit (to al arabiya or anyone else) that we HAVE done good in Iraq. This narcissism may be a disaster unless someone rattles his cage and gets him to see how he can BUILD on our success there instead of pissing it away and making us look bad around the world. He MUST be smart enough to realize this (I hope).

445 redmirabai  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 1:11:50pm

re: #335 big steve

Every new incidence of anti-Semitism I read about reminds me again why Jesus chose to be born, and live and die, a Jew. The survival of this people of all people, no matter the hatred against them, no matter the regime determined to destroy them, is a sign of God’s hand in history. Though most despised, yet most favored. Nazi Germany is as in the dustbin of history as the Canaanites, and Islamic supremacism will ultimately end the same way: I hope I live to see its defeat.

446 big L  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 1:34:36pm

Someone ran phrases from English to Russian and back into English… So out-of-sight, out-of-mind came back as invisible, insane.
Which come to think of it describes Obama foreign policy.

447 captkirk35  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 11:34:46pm

re: #104 MandyManners

I hope all those who didn’t vote for McCain because he wasn’t conservative enough are fucking happy now.

If it wasn’t so pathetically sad, this would be fucking hilarious!

448 Ron Shaw  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 10:05:35am

Sadly for all Americans, it’s oh so close to becoming official, the ‘war on terror’ is over. Hope and change. Watch and listen closely as Obama and those in his administration take those three words out of the national vernacular/debate and replace them with ‘criminal investigations.’ In fact, more and more the term ‘terrorist’ is being excommunicated as murdering ‘terrorists’ become merely criminals intent on committing homicide in their self-proclaimed war or jihad against America and anybody else in the world who refuses to bow to Islam. This then becomes the ultimate ludicrous act of appeasement by our Democrat leaders, yet again.

To add incredible insult to injury this reinvented philosophy comes after numerous attacks by our stated enemies against the heart of our homeland, our citizens here and throughout the world, our military installations, our soldiers, our institutions government and private throughout the world, a brutal attack on our freedom of religion, our capitalism and the entire fabric of our nation around the world.

Maybe if we wait long enough as the bodies pile-up, our Mensa leaders can try to build a RICO case against the lot and house them ultimately with all the other gangs in our prison system who have steadfastly declared war on the Great Satan…yes, that’s the ticket!

The absolute dumbest of asses!

449 iowavette  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 1:31:41pm

Mandy, I understand your frustration but it would have been far worse to hear the same message delivered by a so-called Republican.


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