Iran to Obama: Your Offer Shows Weakness

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Iran has responded to President Obama’s outreach: Iran says Obama’s offer to talk shows US failure.

US President Barack Obama’s offer to talk to Iran shows that America’s policy of “domination” has failed, the government spokesman said on Saturday.

“This request means Western ideology has become passive, that capitalist thought and the system of domination have failed,” Gholam Hossein Elham was quoted as saying by the Mehr news agency.

“Negotiation is secondary, the main issue is that there is no way but for (the United States) to change,” he added.

Hey, don’t be like that! Unclench your fist!

Please?

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491 comments
1 freedombilly  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 10:16:53am

But I thought that The Messiah had friends all over the world. I thought he and Hillary were going to change everyone’s opinion of us. When will this guy realize that they mean it when they call for the destruction of Israel and the United States. Destruction. As in not existing anymore.

Scary times we live in.

2 unrealizedviewpoint  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 10:16:56am

Hey O, now what?

3 Cathypop  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 10:17:07am

Poor little O man is going to cry.

4 Jetpilot1101  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 10:17:18am
“Negotiation is secondary, the main issue is that there is no way but for (the United States) to change,” he added.

Then Obama should be his man.

5 SurferDoc  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 10:17:49am

Your Kung Fu is weak.

6 MJ  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 10:17:55am

As Machiavelli wrote, better to be feared than loved.

7 MarineGrunt  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 10:19:05am

re: #2 unrealizedviewpoint

Runs to corner and sulks?

8 Lee Coller  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 10:19:33am

Barack “Neville Chamberlain” Obama

Now we know his real middle name.

9 Occasional Reader  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 10:19:42am

It’s nice of them to describe exactly, precisely how they think. Just so there’s no confusion.

And yet, liberals continued to be confused.

10 Cathypop  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 10:20:16am

re: #1 freedombilly

But I thought that The Messiah had friends all over the world. I thought he and Hillary were going to change everyone’s opinion of us. When will this guy realize that they mean it when they call for the destruction of Israel and the United States. Destruction. As in not existing anymore.

Scary times we live in.


Beyond scary. Scary wondering how many Americans will lose their lives because of this idiot

11 Sharmuta  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 10:20:17am
Negotiation is secondary, the main issue is that there is no way but for (the United States) to change

So much for hollow buzzwords.

12 unrealizedviewpoint  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 10:20:29am

Weakness viewed as weakness.
Who knew?

13 doppelganglander  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 10:20:52am

Told you. The only thing they respect is strength. Which we could demonstrate abundantly, if we had an actual leader in the White House.

14 [deleted]  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 10:21:07am
15 MJ  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 10:21:13am

Does history repeat?

…John F. Kennedy’s first summit with Nikita Khrushchev in June 1961 ended in disaster because Kennedy came like a supplicant. He first appeased Khrushchev with talk of how he had made a “misjudgment” over the invasion of Cuba, then made the astonishing (and erroneous) admission that Soviet military strength equaled that of the United State.

In the words of Robert Dallek’s definitive biography of the late President, Khrushchev “seized upon Kennedy’s admission of a mistake as an expression of weakness It exhilarated Khrushchev, who took it as another reason to press the case for superior Soviet morality in international affairs….”

Of JFK, Khrushchev later told his comrades, “He’s very young; not strong enough. Too intelligent and too weak.”…

somethingjewish.co.uk

16 Scion9  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 10:21:28am
“This request means Western ideology has become passive, that capitalist thought and the system of domination have failed,” Gholam Hossein Elham was quoted as saying…

This sounds surprisingly like a lot of lefties I know…

“…the main issue is that there is no way but for (the United States) to change,” he added.

…this even more so.

17 BryanS  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 10:22:04am

I was just reading that link on Drudge about one minute ago. Already Obama’s mushy policy of engaging tyrants has born fruit—for our enemies.

Doesn’t Obama understand that in the Middle East, strength and the perception of strength is all that is respected politically?

18 Tigger2005  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 10:22:08am

re: #9 Occasional Reader

It’s nice of them to describe exactly, precisely how they think. Just so there’s no confusion.

And yet, liberals continued to be confused.

Are they really confused? Or do they agree?

But you know, I have no fear that the majority of people in the West will eventually wake up and realize that Western civilization is worth saving. The only problem is, this time they’re probably going to realize it far too late.

19 jcm  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 10:22:25am

Iran opened the fist long enough to deliver a slap.

20 yma o hyd  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 10:22:29am

Its what Lizards pedicted, this reaction by dinnerjacket and the mullocracy.

Now what, Mr PB0?
Looks like the Iranians won’t fall for the words of a community organiser …

21 Rebar  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 10:23:03am

Barbarians react to weakness like sharks do to blood.

And islam is barbarism taken to it’s logical conclusion.

22 Manster  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 10:23:09am

Hussein does not represent me, the US, or the West. We aint dead yet.

23 Jetpilot1101  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 10:23:25am

re: #20 yma o hyd

Its what Lizards pedicted, this reaction by dinnerjacket and the mullocracy.

Now what, Mr PB0?
Looks like the Iranians won’t fall for the words of a community organiser …

I think Obama thought he could organize the global community. That’s tough to do when you speak softly and carry no stick.

24 William  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 10:23:37am

“Change you can believe in.”

25 opnion  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 10:23:39am

If Obama had any sense of history , he would have seen this coming.
When Islam is in a militant Jihad mode any act of conciliation on the part of the Infidel is viewed as weakness & plays into Muslim triumphalism.
BHO is placing our troops & this nation in greater danger.

26 yma o hyd  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 10:24:14am

re: #10 Cathypop

Beyond scary. Scary wondering how many Americans will lose their lives because of this idiot

Not just Americans, I’m afraid.

There’s this little country, this small, prosperous democracy called Israel … she will pay a very heavy price for PB0’s mistakes.

27 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 10:24:24am

Well, we don’t know if Dinnerjacket believes this, Gholam Hossein Elham is only the government spokesperson. I think we need the 48 hour rule and wait to see what Obama thinks about this. We may be making a mountain out of a molehill.

/channeling Cognito.

28 Occasional Reader  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 10:24:24am

re: #18 Tigger2005

Are they really confused? Or do they agree?

I think there’s a bit of each. To me, the classic “idiotarian” really, truly believes that if we’re just nicer to the jihadists, they’ll join hands with us and sing “Kumbaya”. Then there are the true America-hating leftists, who want us destroyed. There’s probably more like a continuum between the two camps then a bright line, but the distinction is still useful.

29 vapig  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 10:24:34am

Weakness? That’s code for “they’re soft, it’s time to attack,” right?

30 nyc redneck  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 10:24:48am

they have obviously kicked sand in his face.
anyone w/ any sense knew this was going to happen.
he is an ignorant, weak, pencil neck nerd trying so hard to be a big guy .
he is an embarrassment. a disaster.
the enemy is laughing their smelly asses off at the president of the united states.
gak

31 Cathypop  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 10:25:12am

re: #26 yma o hyd

Not just Americans, I’m afraid.

There’s this little country, this small, prosperous democracy called Israel … she will pay a very heavy price for PB0’s mistakes.


Correct.

32 Daisy  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 10:25:26am

Note to the Messiah: Looks like Iran doesn’t cotton to Affirmative Action.

33 Bloodnok  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 10:25:33am

This is embarrassing. We are being laughed at.

34 quickjustice  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 10:25:46am

Obama now has no choice but to bend over! ;-)

35 Sharmuta  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 10:26:02am

When the UN needs to take care of business, they write letters. When they really, really need to take care of business, they write a strongly worded letter.

Why do I have the feeling 0bama will write iran, “pretty please?”

36 yma o hyd  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 10:26:04am

re: #15 MJ

For all his numerous faults - JFK was not a communist.
Unlike the present incumbent.

37 [deleted]  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 10:26:35am
38 Truck Monkey  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 10:26:39am

re: #17 BryanS

I was just reading that link on Drudge about one minute ago. Already Obama’s mushy policy of engaging tyrants has born fruit—for our enemies.

Doesn’t Obama understand that in the Middle East, strength and the perception of strength is all that is respected politically?

Um…. no.

39 Killgore Trout  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 10:26:54am

Iran’s Ahmadinejad Endorses Another Holocaust Denial Conference

Ahmadinejad has again cast his lot with Holocaust deniers, sending a message of encouragement to a Tehran conference titled “Holocaust? A Sacred Lie by the West.” The official Iran News Daily reports:

“Zionists are plundering nations’ resources and their wealth by making use of politicians and political parties as well as dominating most of the world’s power, wealth and media sources,” said the president in a message sent to a conference on Holocaust held in the Sharif University of Technology in Tehran …

President Ahmadinejad added that the Zionist regime is the “illegitimate child” of the Holocaust phenomenon.

I really hope the Vatican delegation doesn’t show up.

40 nyc redneck  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 10:26:58am

and the arrogance, that goes along w/ his blunders, is outrageous.
he is not fit to think.

41 itellu3times  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 10:27:00am
US President Barack Obama’s offer to talk to Iran shows that America’s policy of “domination” has failed, the government spokesman said on Saturday.

I’d just like to remind myself and y’all, that there’s no reason to believe that the Iranians believe a word that comes out of their own mouths.

Even this claim is just more noise.

We know what they are like, whatever noises they make, good or bad. And like anyone, whatever they perceive as their enlightened self-interest, will eventually win out. Of course, in the case of Nutjob, his self-interest may be suicide. Let’s just don’t get carried away by anything they say.

42 screaming_eagle  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 10:27:05am

Hope
Change
Yes We Can
Awww Fuck it

43 Sharmuta  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 10:27:06am

re: #37 MandyManners

With surgar on top!

Hopey sugar. And a unicorn.

44 Randall Gross  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 10:28:09am

Where’s Buzzsaw to write “Behind Brown Eyes”

the line “when my fist clenches crack it open” already fits….

45 opnion  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 10:28:22am

Instead of constantly running to a camera & microphone, Obama shold do a little reading. I would suggest Charles Martel & the Battle of Tours.
Martel knew that the only way to get Suileman & his Muslim Army out of France was to kick their ass.
So he did, problem solved. There was no nuanced pandering.

46 [deleted]  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 10:28:25am
47 Jetpilot1101  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 10:29:44am

re: #46 MandyManners

Wif spwinkles! And whipped cweam!

And a cherry on top.

48 jaunte  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 10:29:51am

When the fist clenches, duct tape it closed.

49 Kronocide  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 10:29:53am

I unclenched my fist. You unclench yours! Wahhh…..

OK, now I’m sorry you still feel like keeping your fist clenched. It’s because you’re hurt and were forced to clench it because of our previous fist clenchers. Would you feel better if we let you beat us in the head with your clenched fist till we were even? Would that make your feel better?

Change!

50 Archimedes  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 10:30:24am

So this is the reception you get when you’re an appeaser. Enjoy groveling, Obama.

51 Charles Johnson  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 10:30:28am

Just had a combined creationist/Nirther meltdown in the Michael Steele thread — the usual dramatic goodbye full of insults. Now deleted.

52 MJ  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 10:30:40am

re: #44 Thanos

Where’s Buzzsaw to write “Behind Brown Eyes”

the line “when my fist clenches crack it open” already fits….

It’s Shabbat (sabbath). He won’t be here until after the sun goes down.

53 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 10:31:00am

re: #2 unrealizedviewpoint

Hey O, now what?

This is the part where he hands over his lunch money.

54 PaxAmericana  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 10:31:19am

Perfect! Now we look weak. I hope everybody is ready to duck and cover.

55 Archimedes  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 10:32:14am

re: #51 Charles

Just had a combined creationist/Nirther meltdown in the Michael Steele thread — the usual dramatic goodbye full of insults. Now deleted.

Speaking of which, watch as republicans treat Michael Steele as a human being, rather than a Messiah.

56 Kronocide  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 10:32:20am

creationist/Nirther meltdown

Not having seen it, tears of laughter still flow from my eyes. Wished I could have seen it.

57 Tigger2005  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 10:32:22am

And what’s worse, Obama is NO JFK … and our enemies damn well know it. JFK actually fought in WW2 and came under enemy fire. Obama has never shown a shred of character or courage in his life … just the ability to talk glibly and play dirty politics.

re: #15 MJ

Does history repeat?

…John F. Kennedy’s first summit with Nikita Khrushchev in June 1961 ended in disaster because Kennedy came like a supplicant. He first appeased Khrushchev with talk of how he had made a “misjudgment” over the invasion of Cuba, then made the astonishing (and erroneous) admission that Soviet military strength equaled that of the United State.

In the words of Robert Dallek’s definitive biography of the late President, Khrushchev “seized upon Kennedy’s admission of a mistake as an expression of weakness It exhilarated Khrushchev, who took it as another reason to press the case for superior Soviet morality in international affairs….”

Of JFK, Khrushchev later told his comrades, “He’s very young; not strong enough. Too intelligent and too weak.”…

[Link: www.somethingjewish.co.uk…]

58 opnion  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 10:32:28am

You just know that the Sunday morning talk shows will hammer BHO for being so naieve & how the Iranians are just mocking him.
OK, so they won’t. The big issue will probably be whether Barry should get a Portuguese Water Hound or a Labradoodle.

59 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 10:32:51am

re: #51 Charles

Just had a combined creationist/Nirther meltdown in the Michael Steele thread — the usual dramatic goodbye full of insults. Now deleted.

Charles, can you delete this…re: #1160 Walter L. Newton

I was trying to make a point and I only managed to make a fool out of myself. The comment was suppose to be sarcastic, but in a weak moment, my sarcastic button wasn’t working up to par.

60 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 10:33:18am

Well, that sure showed them what for.

/way to go Barry, welcome to the real world.

61 Jetpilot1101  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 10:33:22am

re: #51 Charles

Just had a combined creationist/Nirther meltdown in the Michael Steele thread — the usual dramatic goodbye full of insults. Now deleted.

Charles, is there anyway you could preserve some of the more humorous meltdown comments and put them in a hall of shame? Maybe you could direct new Lizards to read these comments to give them an idea of what not to write. At the very least, the rest of us could have a good laugh.

62 jcm  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 10:33:22am

re: #51 Charles

Just had a combined creationist/Nirther meltdown in the Michael Steele thread — the usual dramatic goodbye full of insults. Now deleted.

Ahhhh, those are soooo much fun!

63 quickjustice  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 10:33:23am

re: #51 Charles

They were just showing you the love of Jesus, Charles! ;-)

64 lifeofthemind  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 10:33:37am

My answer to Iran
90,000 tons of Diplomacy

I go to Theo’s for the political commentary.

65 yma o hyd  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 10:33:37am

re: #39 Killgore Trout


From your link:

‘President Ahmadinejad added that the Zionist regime is the “illegitimate child” of the Holocaust phenomenon.’

How clearly do these anti-zionists, the antisemites want it spelled out?

Deny the Holocaust and you deny Israel’s existence.

/But thats what they want, isn’t it - the destruction of Israel.

66 Kronocide  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 10:33:40am

The Obama Doctrine: Peace Through Appeasement, or, Kissing Ass So You Don’t Get Punched In The Face.

67 Occasional Reader  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 10:33:58am

So, I guess the lunch money offer wasn’t enough. Oh well.

68 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 10:34:01am

re: #53 Who Watches the Watchmen?

This is the part where he hands over his lunch money.

Veuillez ne pas casser mes lunettes

69 realwest  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 10:34:08am

re: #48 jaunte Superb idea juante! Now if only we can find someone with a big enough fist to use!

70 WhiteRasta  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 10:34:16am

I remember how hurt jummah was when he saw the mobs in Iran screaming for his blood and burning him in effigy.

“But, but I’m your friennnnnnnnndddd”

71 quickjustice  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 10:34:47am

If we’re really, really nice to them, maybe they won’t hate us! ;-)

72 Sharmuta  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 10:35:01am

re: #67 Occasional Reader

So, I guess the lunch money offer wasn’t enough. Oh well.

We must redouble our efforts. Our lunch money, and we’ll do all their homework.

73 Jetpilot1101  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 10:35:19am

re: #66 BigPapa

The Obama Doctrine: Peace Through Appeasement, or, Kissing Ass So You Don’t Get Punched In The Face.

Problem with that is you end up getting s—- on.

74 Idle Drifter  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 10:35:35am

President Obama is consumed by image as are all the apologists and Leftists. Facts, substance and real leadership be damned.

75 jaunte  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 10:35:43am

re: #69 realwest

It’s just absurd (in view of our level of military spending and capability) that Obama put himself in this position.

76 Catttt  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 10:35:46am

re: #51 Charles

Just had a combined creationist/Nirther meltdown in the Michael Steele thread — the usual dramatic goodbye full of insults. Now deleted.

Glad I’m on this thread, then. Geez.

77 BryanS  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 10:35:46am

re: #41 itellu3times

I’d just like to remind myself and y’all, that there’s no reason to believe that the Iranians believe a word that comes out of their own mouths.

Even this claim is just more noise.

We know what they are like, whatever noises they make, good or bad. And like anyone, whatever they perceive as their enlightened self-interest, will eventually win out. Of course, in the case of Nutjob, his self-interest may be suicide. Let’s just don’t get carried away by anything they say.

True, the politics of the middle east is often filled with say one thing and do another. However sometimes ridiculous statements have a way of becoming true. Hamas is case in point. They likely went along with their policy of the Iranian’s prodding conflict thinking they like Hizbollah could gain in stature by taking on Isreal and merely surviving. Had the obvious drubbing of Hizbollah been perceived as the military defeat that it was, Hamas would not have been so bold. Good thing is, Israel fought back, Hizbollah was constrained out of fear of another drubbing, and Isreal exposed the lie that suggested they were weak and lacked the will to fight.

Perceived weakness invites attack from these jihadist wackos. And that perception of Obama will become dangerously accepted as fact if he doesn’t take steps to counter it.

78 Pullus Iulius  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 10:35:56am

I’m sure this hopelessly addled administration will view the Iranian response as a nuanced, contextual sign of hopenchange. Memo to the current U.S. president: When someone tells you he’s an ax murderer, it’s best to believe he’s an ax murderer.

79 jcm  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 10:36:02am

re: #64 lifeofthemind

My answer to Iran
90,000 tons of Diplomacy

I go to Theo’s for the political commentary.

A nice pic of 90,000 tons

80 Occasional Reader  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 10:36:45am

re: #72 Sharmuta

We must redouble our efforts. Our lunch money, and we’ll do all their homework.

We’ll also play along cheerfully while the mullahs use their clenched fist to make outstretched hand slap us in the face, while they say “stop hitting yourself! Why are you still hitting yourself?”

Anyway, later.

81 yma o hyd  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 10:37:00am

re: #61 Jetpilot1101

Charles, is there anyway you could preserve some of the more humorous meltdown comments and put them in a hall of shame? Maybe you could direct new Lizards to read these comments to give them an idea of what not to write. At the very least, the rest of us could have a good laugh.

Seconded - under ‘Tools’, perhaps.
Names need not be attached to these deleted posts.

82 Bloodnok  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 10:37:05am

A visual representation of this story (BHO will be on your right):

Youtube Video
83 Muadib  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 10:37:28am

Springtime for 0bama and foolishness.
Winter for freedom and America.

84 alegrias  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 10:37:51am

re: #33 Bloodnok

This is embarrassing. We are being laughed at.

* * * *
You missed the Carter Years, obviously.

This is Carter Admin 2.0, the Hipper, Harvard Version.

(Iran stole Jimmy’s lunch money back in 1979 and dems have been licking the bully’s boots since then)

85 Sharmuta  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 10:38:24am

This is like Independence Day- where the President is talking to the aliens and asks what we can do to get them to stop attacking Earth.

Except in the movie, when the alien says “die” the President kicks their ass.

In reality, the new President thinks their just kidding.

86 Kronocide  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 10:38:43am

re: #73 Jetpilot1101

Yes, but if they only understood that I understand them and their feelings, then they wouldn’t feel like shitting on me. Conflict is bad, not people, people are good, they just do bad things. If we just have a dialog and talk to each other, then we’ll be all puppies and daisies and nobody will hate jooooos anymore.

/flabby leftist logic

87 Maximu§  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 10:38:52am

Perhaps Obama is trying to get Iran to let their guard down….lets pray he’s that smart.

88 realwest  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 10:38:56am

re: #75 jaunte
Actually, given what I believe is Obama’s Narcissistic personality disorder, I think it was inevitable. He was unable to contemplate that anyone would reject his offer to meet without any preconditions at all.

89 Jetpilot1101  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 10:38:57am

re: #85 Sharmuta

This is like Independence Day- where the President is talking to the aliens and asks what we can do to get them to stop attacking Earth.

Except in the movie, when the alien says “die” the President kicks their ass.

In reality, the new President thinks their just kidding.

That is some funny s—-!

90 MJ  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 10:39:02am

But the concessions of the weak are the concessions of fear.

Edmund Burke
Speech on the Conciliation of America

91 Archimedes  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 10:39:06am

re: #71 quickjustice

If we’re really, really nice to them, maybe they won’t hate us! ;-)

It’s funny how that works in reverse with those sorts of people.

92 quickjustice  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 10:39:13am

OT: And for yet another cheap thrill, consider that the Democrats’ “stimulus” bill also goes a long way towards nationalizing health care: online.wsj.com

“Under “stimulus,” Medicaid is now on offer not to just poor Americans, but Americans who have lost their jobs. And not just Americans who have lost their jobs, but their spouses and their children. And not Americans who recently lost their jobs, but those who lost jobs, say, early last year. And not just Americans who already lost their jobs, but those who will lose their jobs up to 2011. The federal government is graciously footing the whole bill. The legislation also forbids states to apply income tests in most cases.”

93 alegrias  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 10:39:21am

re: #34 quickjustice

Obama now has no choice but to bend over! ;-)

* * *
Obama promised he would bend over for Iran without preconditions—he’s just fulfilling his campaign promise.

/what, who here is surprised?

94 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 10:39:21am

re: #85 Sharmuta

Someone needs to punch the alien and say “Welcome to Earth, mf’er!”

95 Sharmuta  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 10:40:25am

re: #94 Who Watches the Watchmen?

Someone needs to punch the alien and say “Welcome to Earth, mf’er!”

0bama is not Wil Smith. Do we even have a Jeff Goldblum?

96 jcm  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 10:40:49am

re: #87 Maximu§

Perhaps Obama is trying to get Iran to let their guard down….lets pray he’s that smart.

Parting the Red Sea was a far easier miracle.

97 Scion9  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 10:40:55am

re: #45 opnion

Instead of constantly running to a camera & microphone, Obama shold do a little reading. I would suggest Charles Martel & the Battle of Tours.
Martel knew that the only way to get Suileman & his Muslim Army out of France was to kick their ass.
So he did, problem solved. There was no nuanced pandering.

He doesn’t even have to go back that far. He can even crack open some of the more recent Gramscian neomarxists that pontificate about the role of culture in the behavior of populations rather than strictly trying to view the world through a materialist Marxist lens. At least the Gramscian’s recognize that culture does matter, even if it is in efforts to deconstruct it. I think Obama is probably an old school Marxist that really does look through all of history and the modern world and sees nothing but how people are moved to act based on their want of things.

98 wahabicorridor  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 10:41:10am

re: #51 Charles

Sprite?

oh please oh please oh please

/sorry I missed it

99 Sharmuta  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 10:41:10am

re: #95 Sharmuta

Do we even have a Jeff Goldblum?

Because Biden sure as hell ain’t.

100 DEZes  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 10:41:17am

I guess the Iranians didn’t get their Unicorns either!

101 Dave the.....  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 10:41:44am

So you know that left hated and feared Governor Palin when they did a full court press to attack her. Same thing with Michael Steele. Local newspapers comments section was nasty yesterday. You never see things like that over an RNC (or DNC) chair. They must have some fear of him.

102 yma o hyd  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 10:42:12am

Look at the picture of PB0, which Jetpilot1101 linked in the thread below:
littlegreenfootballs.com

Anybody get the feeling that PB0 knows, deep down, that he’s got himself into the biggest hole in his life, and will have to keep on digging?

103 realwest  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 10:42:16am

re: #87 Maximu§ I really hate to say this, but that’s gonna take a heckuva lot of praying - and even then it won’t work.
Obama can’t conceive that there are some folks out there who WON’T talk to him.
See my #88 above.

104 lifeofthemind  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 10:42:43am

re: #79 jcm

A nice pic of 90,000 tons

Obama and his people look at that and see only industrial waste.

105 Sharmuta  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 10:43:08am

Why the Michael Steele thread, I wonder?

106 alegrias  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 10:43:18am

re: #36 yma o hyd

For all his numerous faults - JFK was not a communist.
Unlike the present incumbent.

* * *
Dear YMA,

JFK did not have the balls to oppose the communists.

JFK was soft on Fidel Castro—when Castro was still soft pliable & topple-able—and JFK’s cowardice at the Bay of Pigs battle let communists move in 90 miles off America’s southern flank.

107 vapig  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 10:43:20am

re: #92 quickjustice

OT: And for yet another cheap thrill, consider that the Democrats’ “stimulus” bill also goes a long way towards nationalizing health care: [Link: online.wsj.com…]

“Under “stimulus,” Medicaid is now on offer not to just poor Americans, but Americans who have lost their jobs. And not just Americans who have lost their jobs, but their spouses and their children. And not Americans who recently lost their jobs, but those who lost jobs, say, early last year. And not just Americans who already lost their jobs, but those who will lose their jobs up to 2011. The federal government is graciously footing the whole bill. The legislation also forbids states to apply income tests in most cases.”

What? No undocumented Americans? They’re slipping…..
/

108 M. Bensson-Levi  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 10:43:25am

re: #75 jaunte

It’s just absurd (in view of our level of military spending and capability) that Obama put himself in this position.

Hey Guy,

We’re dealing with a not very bright guy who has practically no experience in the real world. This, and worse, is inevitable. Strap yourself in ‘bro.

109 [deleted]  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 10:43:29am
110 opnion  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 10:43:37am

re: #97 Scion9

He doesn’t even have to go back that far. He can even crack open some of the more recent Gramscian neomarxists that pontificate about the role of culture in the behavior of populations rather than strictly trying to view the world through a materialist Marxist lens. At least the Gramscian’s recognize that culture does matter, even if it is in efforts to deconstruct it. I think Obama is probably an old school Marxist that really does look through all of history and the modern world and sees nothing but how people are moved to act based on their want of things.

Good analysis, but I would add to it that BHO likes & trusts Muslims.
I think that he was conditioned in his youth & He sees the U.S as the problem.

111 screaming_eagle  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 10:43:41am

re: #87 Maximu§

Perhaps Obama is trying to get Iran to let their guard down….lets pray he’s that smart.

What kind of odds are you laying on that?

112 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 10:43:47am

re: #101 Dave the…..

So you know that left hated and feared Governor Palin when they did a full court press to attack her. Same thing with Michael Steele. Local newspapers comments section was nasty yesterday. You never see things like that over an RNC (or DNC) chair. They must have some fear of him.

No fear, just standard lib attacking, it’s par for the course. Afraid, come on this is politics, not trench warfare.

This is part of the game.

113 Kronocide  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 10:43:51am

“Honcos against the Great Fist UnClenching, news at 11….”

114 Spare O'Lake  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 10:43:53am

Obama sure can take a punch.
And a kick in the nuts, too.
Impressive.

115 [deleted]  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 10:44:01am
116 nyc redneck  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 10:44:48am

re: #94 Who Watches the Watchmen?

Someone needs to punch the alien and say “Welcome to Earth, mf’er!”

blaggo tried that w/ O.

117 JacksonTn  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 10:44:56am

The only way Obama or his supporters will change their minds about Iran and Dinnerjacket is if he starts insulting Obama directly …calling him names …burning more paper mache Obamas …until then they will do nothing …we can only hope that Dinnerjacket will start on Obama personally and then maybe just maybe they will defend Obama and just as a leftover scrap America …

118 Pullus Iulius  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 10:45:02am

And, hate to say it, but I can’t really fault the mad mullahs for their response, either. Any other answer to this president’s head-down, whining, tail-between-legs, belly-scraping overture would have been disingenuous.

119 quickjustice  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 10:45:20am

re: #102 yma o hyd

Giving Obama the benefit of every doubt (which I am not generally disposed to do), he really wasn’t ready for this job, and it is beginning to show.

Less charitably, Alinsky tactics have serious limitations. If you attempt to demonize someone unsuccessfully, you’ve made an enemy for life. And if that enemy is powerful …

120 MJ  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 10:46:11am

Speaking of foreign policy disasters in the making, anyone notice how Hillary has been totally preempted in her role as Secretary of State?

First, she got a National Security adviser she didn’t really want.

Second, George Saad Mitchell has preempted what should be her role in the Middle East. The announcement for additional aid to Hamas ( Gaza ) came from George Mitchell- not from the Secretary of State’s office.

Third, Samantha Power was named adviser to Obama; another slap in the face to Hillary.

121 alegrias  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 10:46:23am

re: #75 jaunte

It’s just absurd (in view of our level of military spending and capability) that Obama put himself in this position.

* * *
Hello, Obama’s asking for 10% cuts to our military budget!

Dems have already conceded, given up, shown weakness.

Iran is right. By offering to CUT our Military budget, close GITMO, sleep with Sassonnian Iranian Assasins of American troops, Obama is selling out his country.

122 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 10:46:24am

re: #102 yma o hyd

Look at the picture of PB0, which Jetpilot1101 linked in the thread below:
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com…]

Anybody get the feeling that PB0 knows, deep down, that he’s got himself into the biggest hole in his life, and will have to keep on digging?

Nope, I’m sure he is fine with everything he is learning, doing, coming up against and so on. He didn’t work for this job because he was stupid. And the people advising him are not stupid either.

Every time we make suppositions like this, we diminish the actual problems and try to create an excuse for determined behavior.

Let’s start facing reality and stop with the hyperbole.

123 yma o hyd  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 10:46:36am

re: #106 alegrias

* * *
Dear YMA,

JFK did not have the balls to oppose the communists.

JFK was soft on Fidel Castro—when Castro was still soft pliable & topple-able—and JFK’s cowardice at the Bay of Pigs battle let communists move in 90 miles off America’s southern flank.

Absolutely - I don’t dispute that at all.

But - not having the balls to oppose communists when they were still the one, monolithic Evil Empire is not the same as being a thorough communist, albeit claoked in a smile and flowing rethoric.

124 unreconstructed rebel  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 10:46:52am

Wapo’s story this morning is that Tom Daschle had owed $128 grand in back taxes. Seems he coughed up around $100 grand only six day prior to the hearing.

Apparently if you are a Democrat, the federal tax code is only a suggestion. For the rest of us, it’s jail.

125 Dave the.....  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 10:47:11am

Wow, I went to a social event last night. Talked to some people I have known for 20 years. Back then, they were pot smoking boozer social liberals.

They spent much of the night bitching about Obama. Particularly about the new union law. I knew about thing such an employer can’t post a sign in his own business that says that you can work for him without joining a union. But it’s worse then that.

Our employer is fairly large. We have small project teams that go out to our sites and do….projects. If the project team consists of 5 people, they are now considered a self-contained unit under the new law. So if 3 of them sign the card, or are forced to sign a union card (I used to live in a union town, I know what goes on), then this group of 5 (including the two that just want to work) would be unionized.

This is just speculation on my part, but if that happens, I could see the company laying off all five and out sourcing the job.

Barry Obama. Worst President ever. 01/20/13

126 debutaunt  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 10:47:54am

re: #27 Walter L. Newton

Well, we don’t know if Dinnerjacket believes this, Gholam Hossein Elham is only the government spokesperson. I think we need the 48 hour rule and wait to see what Obama thinks about this. We may be making a mountain out of a molehill.

/channeling Cognito.

Now cut that out!

127 jaunte  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 10:48:01am

re: #103 realwest

Here’s an interesting list of markers for Narcissistic Personality Disorder, from Sam Vaknin:
samvak.tripod.com

-“Haughty” body language
-Entitlement markers – The narcissist immediately asks for “special treatment” of some kind.
-Idealization or devaluation – The narcissist instantly idealizes or devalues his interlocutor.
-The “membership” posture – The narcissist always tries to “belong”. Yet, at the very same time, he maintains his stance as an outsider.
-Bragging and false autobiography – The narcissist brags incessantly. His speech is peppered with “I”, “my”, “myself”, and “mine”.
-Emotion-free language – The narcissist likes to talk about himself and only about himself. He is not interested in others or what they have to say, unless they constitute potential Sources of Supply and in order to obtain said supply. He acts bored, disdainful, even angry, if he feels that they are intruding on his precious time and, thus, abusing him.
-Seriousness and sense of intrusion and coercion – The narcissist is dead serious about himself…(rarely is he self-deprecating.)

128 opnion  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 10:48:04am

The Iranians have taken the measure of our new President & found him to be an insipid narcissist.
Whats the Joke? An empty limousine pulled up & Obama got out.

129 Wyatt Earp  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 10:48:13am

re: #124 unreconstructed rebel

Wapo’s story this morning is that Tom Daschle had owed $128 grand in back taxes. Seems he coughed up around $100 grand only six day prior to the hearing.

Apparently if you are a Democrat, the federal tax code is only a suggestion. For the rest of us, it’s jail.

Is it possible for him to find a Cabinet member who is not a criminal?

130 unrealizedviewpoint  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 10:48:31am

re: #57 Tigger2005

And what’s worse, Obama is NO JFK … and our enemies damn well know it. JFK actually fought in WW2 and came under enemy fire. Obama has never shown a shred of character or courage in his life … just the ability to talk glibly and play dirty politics.

Community organizing doesn’t count?

131 realwest  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 10:48:38am

re: #102 yma o hyd
Hi {yma} frankly I thought Obama looked stoned in that photograph.
I mean, based on my observation of other people who were stoned on pot - not from looking in a mirror or anything!

132 [deleted]  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 10:48:41am
133 unreconstructed rebel  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 10:48:55am

re: #129 Wyatt Earp

Is it possible for him to find a Cabinet member who is not a criminal?

A most interesting question.

134 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 10:48:55am

re: #119 quickjustice

Giving Obama the benefit of every doubt (which I am not generally disposed to do), he really wasn’t ready for this job, and it is beginning to show.

Less charitably, Alinsky tactics have serious limitations. If you attempt to demonize someone unsuccessfully, you’ve made an enemy for life. And if that enemy is powerful …

How about he is VERY ready for the job and this is EXACTLY what he wants to happen. Stop giving him the benefit of the doubt or the implying that he is unprepared.

We keep doing that and he’ll fool us right into a full blown socialistic government, while we are sitting around saying he’s not able to handle the job.

135 realwest  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 10:49:16am

re: #129 Wyatt Earp
Howdy Wyatt! The short answer is NO!

136 Truck Monkey  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 10:50:06am

re: #114 Spare O’Lake

Obama sure can take a punch.
And a kick in the nuts, too.
Impressive.

What nuts?

137 Wyatt Earp  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 10:50:19am

re: #133 unreconstructed rebel

A most interesting question.

And that dolt Harry Reid said that Daschle will have no problem getting confirmed. He’s right, but to even suggest that shows Reid’s character.

The DNC: We have no problem vetting criminals and scofflaws.

138 realwest  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 10:50:32am

re: #134 Walter L. Newton
Nail on head comment Walter. I agree with you - this is EXACTLY what Obama has wanted for a long time now.

139 yma o hyd  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 10:50:40am

re: #119 quickjustice

Giving Obama the benefit of every doubt (which I am not generally disposed to do), he really wasn’t ready for this job, and it is beginning to show.

Less charitably, Alinsky tactics have serious limitations. If you attempt to demonize someone unsuccessfully, you’ve made an enemy for life. And if that enemy is powerful …

Well said!

And while the Alinsky method, with the help of some rich crooks and Acorn, may get what passes for results in Chicago, it won’t do on the world stage, where other powerful leaders have totally different goals which can’t be cracked by ACORN (or even $oros, may he try ever so hard …).

0Bama needs to learn really fast - but the people he’s surrounded himself with have no idea either.

140 [deleted]  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 10:50:53am
141 Wyatt Earp  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 10:50:58am

re: #135 realwest

Howdy Wyatt! The short answer is NO!

Hiya, Real! Iran thinks Obama is a joke. Join the club, Mahmoud!

142 Dave the.....  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 10:51:01am

Oh, and I heard a union story last night. One lady was in a hotel in liberal union Boston. A package came for here at the front desk. She went to the desk, saw the package on the table and said she would take it up to her room.

Hotel person said that is not allowed and he needed to call someone to carry it up to her room. Even though the package was right there.

It was a union rule, and they charged her $25 to do that. Feather bedding.

143 albusteve  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 10:51:23am

re: #95 Sharmuta

0bama is not Wil Smith. Do we even have a Jeff Goldblum?

I ralted to the drunken cropduster myself…another great hero

144 yma o hyd  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 10:51:40am

re: #120 MJ

Speaking of foreign policy disasters in the making, anyone notice how Hillary has been totally preempted in her role as Secretary of State?

First, she got a National Security adviser she didn’t really want.

Second, George Saad Mitchell has preempted what should be her role in the Middle East. The announcement for additional aid to Hamas ( Gaza ) came from George Mitchell- not from the Secretary of State’s office.

Third, Samantha Power was named adviser to Obama; another slap in the face to Hillary.

Hung out to dry and starting to slowly twist in the wind …

145 debutaunt  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 10:51:41am

re: #56 BigPapa

creationist/Nirther meltdown

Not having seen it, tears of laughter still flow from my eyes. Wished I could have seen it.

Hoping for a “Worst of…” thread one day.

146 quickjustice  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 10:51:53am

re: #134 Walter L. Newton

Temper, temper, Walter! ;-)

147 redc1c4  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 10:51:58am

re: #53 Who Watches the Watchmen?

This is the part where he hands over his lunch money.

his lunch money is his buisness.

our lunch money is something else entirely.

148 JacksonTn  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 10:52:15am

re: #142 Dave the…..

Oh, and I heard a union story last night. One lady was in a hotel in liberal union Boston. A package came for here at the front desk. She went to the desk, saw the package on the table and said she would take it up to her room.

Hotel person said that is not allowed and he needed to call someone to carry it up to her room. Even though the package was right there.

It was a union rule, and they charged her $25 to do that. Feather bedding.

Dave …same thing happens to me at trade shows I attend where there is union labor …$300 to move something just about 30 ft. …crazy …

149 yma o hyd  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 10:52:22am

re: #122 Walter L. Newton

Okay.

150 quickredfox  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 10:52:29am

Obama may not have any preconditions for talks, but the other side does.

151 albusteve  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 10:52:40am

re: #143 albusteve

ralted?…wtf?

152 realwest  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 10:52:50am

re: #127 jaunte Whoa, I hearted that one!
That’s just an incredible description of Obama.

153 avanti  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 10:53:35am

re: #27 Walter L. Newton

Well, we don’t know if Dinnerjacket believes this, Gholam Hossein Elham is only the government spokesperson. I think we need the 48 hour rule and wait to see what Obama thinks about this. We may be making a mountain out of a molehill.

/channeling Cognito.

Looks bad so far, I found a link to what looks like what must be another comment by Elham.

link

154 jcm  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 10:53:58am

re: #143 albusteve

I ralted to the drunken cropduster myself…another great hero

Somewhat, he was a false caricature of the ‘Nam vet. The story line had him being a ‘Nam fighter jock. The one part of the movie I didn’t like was that portrayal.

155 alegrias  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 10:54:12am

re: #140 ploome hineni

important to realize NObama is playing to the audience that loves Oprah, the VIew and Al Franken………..and thinks Jimmy Carter is a poet

they elected him

not the boys fighting for our country

* * **
Obama’s playing to the people FIGHTING our country.

He showed these “constituents” the love long ago.

156 Moonbat Serenade  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 10:54:15am

President- Barack Omeba
Speaker of the House : Nancy Pelosi
Senate Majority Leader : Harry Reid

How can this dream team not project strength and backbone to the rest of the world ?

//////…ad infinitum

157 jcm  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 10:54:35am

re: #151 albusteve

ralted?…wtf?

I understood that?

PIFW!

158 realwest  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 10:54:40am

re: #146 quickjustice
Nope, Walter is spot on in that comment.

159 AuntAcid  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 10:54:49am

re: #21 Rebar

Barbarians react to weakness like sharks do to blood.

Let’s hope the MSM will too.

160 redc1c4  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 10:54:54am

re: #140 ploome hineni

important to realize NObama is playing to the audience that loves Oprah, the VIew and Al Franken………..and thinks Jimmy Carter is a poet

they elected him

not the boys men and women fighting for our country

FTFY!

/pet peeve of mine

161 Wyatt Earp  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 10:54:59am

re: #155 alegrias

* * **
Obama’s playing to the people FIGHTING our country.

He showed these “constituents” the love long ago.

Next thing you know, he’ll want to deal with Hamas.

Oops …

162 [deleted]  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 10:55:05am
163 Sifty  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 10:55:30am

you mean appeasement didn’t work?

hmmm. this changes everything.

164 albusteve  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 10:55:45am

re: #154 jcm

Somewhat, he was a false caricature of the ‘Nam vet. The story line had him being a ‘Nam fighter jock. The one part of the movie I didn’t like was that portrayal.

maybe so…still he went to the mat and got it done

165 jcm  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 10:55:53am

re: #134 Walter L. Newton

How about he is VERY ready for the job and this is EXACTLY what he wants to happen. Stop giving him the benefit of the doubt or the implying that he is unprepared.

We keep doing that and he’ll fool us right into a full blown socialistic government, while we are sitting around saying he’s not able to handle the job.

DING DING DING!

He’s been trained and training his whole life for this.

166 [deleted]  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 10:56:04am
167 realwest  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 10:56:16am

re: #163 Sifty Regrettfully, this changes NOTHING for Obama.

168 realwest  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 10:56:51am

Outta here for lunch y’all - have a GREAT DAY and I hope I get the chance to see you all down the road!

169 yma o hyd  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 10:56:55am

re: #131 realwest

Hiya {rw}!

He’s been in the job for ten days only. I don’t want to be nasty - but my guess is, he has indeed been at the ciggies. Nicotine also affects the quality of one’s sleep.

How are you today?

170 lifeofthemind  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 10:56:57am

re: #136 Truck Monkey

What nuts?

You want nuts? I give you nuts.

Youtube Video
171 albusteve  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 10:56:59am

re: #157 jcm

I understood that?

PIFW!

a valuable talent my man….

172 lostlakehiker  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 10:57:00am

Re 104: Obama, if he is like other very liberal presidents of the past half century, may imagine that those warships can accomplish more than they really can.

Carter sent 8 helicopters on what would have been a suicide mission if they’d reached their destination. He and his military sycophants made no allowance for the inevitable attrition due to equipment failures, perhaps because the military dared not tell him the truth about equipment reliability and maintenance problems, or perhaps because he was told but chose not to hear.

For the intended (and grossly inadequate, had it reached its destination) mission, to get 8 copters there would have required 16 be sent. To get 8 copters there and back, assuming no losses to hostile action, would have required 30, 50, who knows how many? The raid would have been miraculously lucky had it escaped with an outcome no worse than what transpired in Somalia. (Another Democrat mission.)

War with Iran, now, to stop Iran’s nuclear weapons program, would not be a matter of a few helicopter raids and a bombing run or two. While we have the military resources to invade, ferret out any nuclear weapons programs, and destroy them so thoroughly that only a fresh start could reconstitute the program, that would take a full blown war. There is no stomach here for such a war. (That this could change if Iran went nuclear and used nukes is an understatement!)

173 Archimedes  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 10:57:00am

I dunno, somehow I prefer This Is Sparta! to Obama’s way. But that’s just me.

174 redc1c4  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 10:57:04am

re: #129 Wyatt Earp

Is it possible for him to find a Cabinet member who is not a criminal?

why do you think he had the SecDef stay on….

/lone honest man

175 alegrias  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 10:57:05am

re: #142 Dave the…..

Oh, and I heard a union story last night. One lady was in a hotel in liberal union Boston. A package came for here at the front desk. She went to the desk, saw the package on the table and said she would take it up to her room.

Hotel person said that is not allowed and he needed to call someone to carry it up to her room. Even though the package was right there.

It was a union rule, and they charged her $25 to do that. Feather bedding.

* * * *

Illegals do this work for pennies, which is why so many hypocritical democrats have nanny problems and “fail” to pay their taxes.

Democrats have bribed illegals and others to join “unions” promising high salaries, which they themselves hate to pay!

176 jaunte  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 10:57:13am

re: #152 realwest

There is a lot of material on that Vaknin site that will remind you of O.
Ugly site, but lots of links.
samvak.tripod.com

177 jcm  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 10:57:19am

re: #164 albusteve

maybe so…still he went to the mat and got it done

Yep, he came through and saved the day.

Mine issue is more generic of Hollywood.

‘Nam vets are almost always portrayed as losers.

It’s a sore spot with, me because it’s slanderous.

178 unrealizedviewpoint  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 10:57:24am

re: #150 quickredfox

Obama may not have any preconditions for talks, but the other side does.

That’s what’s always been the problem. Libs just never ever could see that.

179 quickjustice  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 10:57:32am

re: #142 Dave the…..

I have no doubt that the hotel and the union split the $25.

When I was working on Wall Street (many years ago), my office needed painting. A painter showed up on Friday with a bucket, a brush, and a ladder. He said to me, “If you’d like to do it yourself over the weekend, I’ll just leave these here for you.” I said, “No, thanks.” He then said, “If you had taken me up on that offer I would have filed a grievance against your employer based upon the union contract.” It was a setup.

180 Sifty  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 10:57:34am

re: #167 realwest

Obama couldn’t pour piss out of a boot.

To steal Dad’s old phrase.

181 ciaospirit  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 10:57:44am

Obama cheapens the dignity of the Office of President.

182 opnion  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 10:58:36am

re: #148 JacksonTn

Dave …same thing happens to me at trade shows I attend where there is union labor …$300 to move something just about 30 ft. …crazy …


At a Trade Show in Chicago, the Rigger sput up our display.
I started to turn on a light bulg & Rigger said, ‘Whadya doin, youse need an electrician”

183 yma o hyd  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 10:58:45am

re: #142 Dave the…..

Oh, and I heard a union story last night. One lady was in a hotel in liberal union Boston. A package came for here at the front desk. She went to the desk, saw the package on the table and said she would take it up to her room.

Hotel person said that is not allowed and he needed to call someone to carry it up to her room. Even though the package was right there.

It was a union rule, and they charged her $25 to do that. Feather bedding.

Welcome back to Great Britain in the 1970s under Labour!

184 Fat Jolly Penguin  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 10:58:52am

re: #136 Truck Monkey

What nuts?

I love finding excuses to post this.

185 alegrias  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 10:59:03am

re: #150 quickredfox

Obama may not have any preconditions for talks, but the other side does.

* * *
Well, Obama already told Israel to stop winning disproportionately by his Inaugural Day over Iran’s fighters the Hezbollans.

186 MadHamster  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 10:59:04am

Hmmm… me thinks The Big O just got fisted. Unfortunately, that means we all just did. Damn. How am I supposed to sit and enjoy the Superbowl now?

187 Wyatt Earp  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 10:59:09am

re: #181 ciaospirit

Obama cheapens the dignity of the Office of President.

The only way he could make it worse is if he messed around with an ugly intern in the Oval Orifice.

188 Billy Hank  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 10:59:12am

Chill, D’Jacket. Obama’s working on that change bit as fast as he can. You’ll get your part of the stimulus package soon. In addition, he’ll throw in a ton of military secrets for free. Be patient.

189 Archimedes  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 10:59:14am

re: #134 Walter L. Newton

How about he is VERY ready for the job and this is EXACTLY what he wants to happen. Stop giving him the benefit of the doubt or the implying that he is unprepared.

We keep doing that and he’ll fool us right into a full blown socialistic government, while we are sitting around saying he’s not able to handle the job.

He’s certainly doing a lot of the left wing things he said he would do. So it’s purposeful.

190 redc1c4  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 10:59:30am

re: #87 Maximu§

Perhaps Obama is trying to get Iran to let their guard down….lets pray he’s that smart.

you need to stop drinking so early in the day…………

Juggy isn’t smart enough to come up with a plan, and doesn’t have the balls to execute one if he did.

191 unreconstructed rebel  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 10:59:33am

re: #180 Sifty

Obama couldn’t pour piss out of a boot.

Not even if the instructions were written on the heel.

192 Lincolntf  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 10:59:49am

re: #153 avanti

“Although propaganda of potential military confrontations over Iran’s nuclear issue has never stopped, the United States and its allies were still trying to block Iran’s nuclear process by both negotiations and sanctions.

Analysts believe that both sides need to make change in their stance on the issue.

Obama’s victory in U.S. presidential elections is considered by the international community as a “chance” to bring change in solving the Iranian nuclear issue.”

“both sides need to make change in their stance…” Um, okay. If Iran changes their current stance that they’re going to defy all treaties, agreements and resolutions and eventually slaughter a massive number of people in the name of some death sacrament, then maybe we could change our stance.

193 ConservatismNow!  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 11:00:01am

re: #101 Dave the…..

So you know that left hated and feared Governor Palin when they did a full court press to attack her. Same thing with Michael Steele. Local newspapers comments section was nasty yesterday. You never see things like that over an RNC (or DNC) chair. They must have some fear of him.

That’s because he’s black and not a Dem. A traitor to his race, I guess. I’m trying to figure out how the black community abandoned the Republican party. Anyone care to give me a history lesson?

194 panamahat  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 11:00:25am

OT —
Hope everyone will go to rnc.org and register to HELP. With Michael Steele at the helm, we have a great opportunity in 2010. We don’t want to lose it.

195 yma o hyd  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 11:00:49am

re: #174 redc1c4

why do you think he had the SecDef stay on….

/lone honest man

Scapegoat?

196 Drider  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 11:00:49am

It’s amazing how that quaint little Iranian fellow put into words exactly how I feel about the USA…………………………………………………………With the current leadership at he helm.

The bulwarks of American pride and exceptionalism will now come together in one voice via the press, our political leaders and strike back with a retort in no uncertain terms that we haven’t failed, and that western civilization is still superior to Islam…..they will I tell ya!

And the Iranians cannot unclench their fist…….they are pummeling us so hard, they no doubt broke that sucker in numerous places.

197 itellu3times  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 11:00:59am

re: #70 WhiteRasta

I remember how hurt jummah was when he saw the mobs in Iran screaming for his blood and burning him in effigy.

“But, but I’m your friennnnnnnnndddd”

Jimmah still approves of how 0bama is handling Iran.

198 albusteve  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 11:01:13am

re: #177 jcm

Yep, he came through and saved the day.

Mine issue is more generic of Hollywood.

‘Nam vets are almost always portrayed as losers.

It’s a sore spot with, me because it’s slanderous.


sometimes it depends on perspective too…Rambo was a loser to his enemies but a hero to the movie goers….jus sayin

199 itellu3times  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 11:01:20am

re: #180 Sifty

Obama couldn’t pour piss out of a boot.

To steal Dad’s old phrase.

… if the instructions were written on the heel.

200 albusteve  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 11:02:01am

re: #180 Sifty

Obama couldn’t pour piss out of a boot.

To steal Dad’s old phrase.

cool…always give Dad his credit

201 rightymouse  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 11:02:34am

re: #181 ciaospirit

Obama cheapens the dignity of the Office of President.

That’s because he has no friggin’ clue what he’s doing. He’s surrounded himself with Chicago types and Clinton retreads hoping they’ll know what to do.

Hopefully, he’ll grow up very quickly and realize that Iran has been playing him for a fool. Not difficult to do, mind you.

202 Killgore Trout  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 11:02:41am

Just Poop….
Poo Powers Oslo Buses

The city of Oslo is converting 80 municipal buses to run on biomethane captured from human waste, a novel, if somewhat disgusting, approach to cutting CO2 emissions and meeting Norway’s ambitious plan to be carbon-neutral by 2050.

Beginning in September, the two sewage treatment plants in Norway’s capital will collect methane, a byproduct of the microbial process that breaks down sewage, and pump it into city buses

203 Sifty  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 11:02:46am

re: #181 ciaospirit

That just might be what saves us from Kremlin 2: Electric Boogaloo.

Obama and Biden are so damn green and/or stupid, one of them is bound to shoot their mouth off and get in impeachment-level trouble within three years.

As much as I’d hate to go through the impeachment circus again, there is no way that Biden can keep a secret and Bambi can’t help shooting his hopenchange all over the NYT.

Sooner or later the journalice will stop sniffing Bambi’s gym clothes and start investigating these two knuckleheads.

204 quickredfox  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 11:02:53am

re: #185 alegrias

* * *
Well, Obama already told Israel to stop winning disproportionately by his Inaugural Day over Iran’s fighters the Hezbollans.

you are right, he does have some preconditions after all! (Just not necessarily for what we consider the other side.)

205 Viking6  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 11:02:55am

Just a quick comment on the One’s intelligence.. General Theory is that intelligence is seen as either fluid or crystallized. Fluid is represented by the ability to make decisions and problem solving. Crystallized intelligence requires the use of stored knowledge based upon experience and learning, generally long term memory. I would think that O has little in the way of experiential learning with regard to differentiating good from evil therefore he is operating on the more fluid level of intellect which has been amply demonstrated that he cannot problem solve without a teleprompter.

Therefore we can not expect much more than what we have seen.

/duh….

206 UberInfidel67  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 11:03:43am

Regardig the previous thread, Charles mentioned that there is NOTHING about the Iraqi voting on the White House websits. I am just posting here to show my avatar. God Bless the free Iraqis and the brave men and women that helped them find their backbones.

207 lifeofthemind  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 11:03:44am

re: #172 lostlakehiker

Bad as Desert One was, and it was poorly designed and badly lead, it does not invalidate all action by armed forces against Iran. Your analogy is poor and unconvincing.

208 Bloodnok  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 11:04:09am

re: #202 Killgore Trout

Just Poop….
Poo Powers Oslo Buses

I sure hope the buses don’t backfire.

209 Bob Dillon  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 11:04:50am

0 might want to put Caption Obvious on his staff. Ah - he wouldn’t listen anyway.

210 ciaospirit  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 11:04:56am

Have you seen a pic (expand the article to see it) of Tim Geithner? He has creep written all over his face.

211 Sifty  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 11:04:57am

re: #195 yma o hyd

Somebody they can pump for information before the upcoming Rumsfeld, Cheney, Bush war crimes trials.

212 opnion  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 11:05:14am

Barry still pushing for the Stimuluis bill but says “No One bill can cure the economy & recovery will take years.”
Uh huh, what happened to candidate Barry? That guy had all the quick fix answeres & made it all sound easy. Phony mofo!

213 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 11:05:36am

re: #146 quickjustice

Temper, temper, Walter! ;-)

We’ve had the fun time, to make our pithy comments about Obama and his administration, but it is about time now that we start to take this seriously.

He didn’t get where is is because is didn’t know what he was doing, or in the least, the people with their hands up his back know what they are doing.

This wasn’t a anomaly, the left have been planning this for 50 years now, and it has work out almost like textbook socialism.

I’m not sure is maybe the shock hasn’t worn off yet, or we are hoping that if we point out his flaws enough times, he will reconsider or in the most, screw up and go away.

Well, no, that’s not going to happen. His people are in control, and nothing is going to stop them. Even if he makes mistakes, you are not going to find his people suddenly turn on him and slap his wrists.

It’s full speed ahead for these folks, and we need to sit down RIGHT now and start planning on how we can turn this around in two and four years.

And that is done at the grass roots level. Tossing rocks at DC is not going to work, the people in power up there, republicans and democrats, are immune to what’s happening outside the walls of the castle.

No, we have to find new blood, people who are not beholden to any local, regional or national special interests, big money or another politician. We need those people to speak out against the WHOLE system. We need those people to point out the sins of both parties. We need those people to run on the most moral platform they can imagine. We need these people to proclaim that it’s close to over and that if this country doesn’t stop, right now, stop and start to pay attention to the citizens who they are suppose to protect and serve, that we will not be able to turn this country away from ruin.

That’s what we need to be talking about. That’s what we need to be placing our efforts in. The face of evil is sitting in a chair, in the White House, and he is hell bent in promoting all the social and political agendas that he was taught, taught for 25 years of his life.

Obama didn’t suddenly forget all that at the moment he took the oath of office. He saw his taking the oath as the proof of every decision that he had made in his adult life, proof that he is right and that his future is the countries future.

Period.

214 Killgore Trout  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 11:05:41am

re: #208 Bloodnok

Maybe they’ll accept contributions instead of bus fare. “exact change please”.

215 itellu3times  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 11:05:44am

re: #77 BryanS

True, the politics of the middle east is often filled with say one thing and do another. However sometimes ridiculous statements have a way of becoming true. Hamas is case in point. They likely went along with their policy of the Iranian’s prodding conflict thinking they like Hizbollah could gain in stature by taking on Isreal and merely surviving. Had the obvious drubbing of Hizbollah been perceived as the military defeat that it was, Hamas would not have been so bold. Good thing is, Israel fought back, Hizbollah was constrained out of fear of another drubbing, and Isreal exposed the lie that suggested they were weak and lacked the will to fight.

Perceived weakness invites attack from these jihadist wackos. And that perception of Obama will become dangerously accepted as fact if he doesn’t take steps to counter it.

All true. Let’s see what he does. I’m sure he has no idea what he will do, either. And don’t forget, Hillary is on the job.

/gag-choke

It is an argument of sorts for engagement. I’d like to see someone in the government, say the night cleaning crew, write formal responses to formal Iranian rants. Heck, we could have the contest right here on LGF. I really think Bush’s “strong, silent” response was not the best choice.

216 screaming_eagle  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 11:06:11am

re: #201 rightymouse

Hopefully, he’ll grow up very quickly and realize that Iran has been playing him for a fool. Not difficult to do, mind you.

Sorry, I don’t think he will. He believes the crap about the US being imperialistic and it’s the root of the cause. He’ll only change once he has taken us to far and all those around he say NO Mr. President.

Till then he will continue to show his weakness.

217 RememberSekhmet?  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 11:06:17am

re: #66 BigPapa

The Obama Doctrine: Peace Through Appeasement, or, Kissing Ass So You Don’t Get Punched In The Face and get punched in the face anyway.

FIFY

218 unreconstructed rebel  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 11:07:04am

re: #212 opnion

Barry still pushing for the Stimuluis bill but says “No One bill can cure the economy & recovery will take years.”
Uh huh, what happened to candidate Barry? That guy had all the quick fix answeres & made it all sound easy. Phony mofo!

Makes McCain’s meltdown a real tragedy, don’t it?

219 cincinnati_kid37  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 11:07:07am

A bully understands that Diplomacy without the underlying threat of consequence is worthless and shows weakness.

220 albusteve  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 11:07:10am

re: #212 opnion

Barry still pushing for the Stimuluis bill but says “No One bill can cure the economy & recovery will take years.”
Uh huh, what happened to candidate Barry? That guy had all the quick fix answeres & made it all sound easy. Phony mofo!


he’s alreading rethinking his ‘buy American’ meme….somebody must have explained trade war/isolationism/NAFTA to him

221 debutaunt  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 11:07:23am

re: #131 realwest

Hi {yma} frankly I thought Obama looked stoned in that photograph.
I mean, based on my observation of other people who were stoned on pot - not from looking in a mirror or anything!

He tried to vote ‘president’ and do a fist bump.

222 avanti  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 11:07:26am

re: #192 Lincolntf

”
“both sides need to make change in their stance…” Um, okay. If Iran changes their current stance that they’re going to defy all treaties, agreements and resolutions and eventually slaughter a massive number of people in the name of some death sacrament, then maybe we could change our stance.

The comments Charles posted from Iran were certainly not hopeful Since I’m a cup half full kind of guy, I’ll look for some hope. The guy was not high in the leadership of Iran, may have spoken off the cuff, or speaking for local consumption. He also may have just flipped the bird to Obama, and if that is the case, and he was stating Iran’s position, then Obama needs to bitch lap them.
I’ll give it a few days to settle out.

223 AuntAcid  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 11:07:27am

re: #184 Fat Jolly Penguin

I love finding excuses to post this.

nut on a rope
prayer nuts

224 redc1c4  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 11:08:06am

re: #191 unreconstructed rebel

Not even if the instructions were written on the heel.

why would you write the instructions on him?

/white smoke

225 jwb7605  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 11:08:28am

re: #195 yma o hyd

Scapegoat?

Which supports Walter’s rants about how O isn’t stupid, and that O really does know what he’s doing.

226 vapig  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 11:08:29am

re: #202 Killgore Trout

Just Poop….
Poo Powers Oslo Buses

I can’t imagine the emissions will be pleasant. Haven’t they heard of natural gas?

227 brookly red  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 11:08:48am

re: #134 Walter L. Newton

Yup, & right on schedule.

228 jcw46  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 11:08:58am

re: #53 Who Watches the Watchmen?

This is the part where he hands over his lunch money.

Whoa! I just flashed on who BHO reminds me of; that kid that plays chris on “Everybody Hates Chris”. same haircut, thin, same goofy smile when people eff him over and same deer-in-the-headlights look.

229 [deleted]  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 11:09:16am
230 Dave the.....  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 11:09:43am

#193 Conservatism

That’s because he’s black and not a Dem. A traitor to his race, I guess. I’m trying to figure out how the black community abandoned the Republican party. Anyone care to give me a history lesson?

That’s my take. Why the panic and need to destroy this man NOW. He is a threat to the 95% so lock on Blacks voting for Democrats. Just as Obama feels the need to destroy Rush Limbaugh. The effective the opposition is, the nastier you need to be to get rid of him/her.

I’ve always wondered that question. The only thing I can think of is that in the 1950’s-70’s, most African-Americans lived in the South or large cities. Area’s almost 100% Democratic at that time. So when they got involved in politics, it was easier to get involved in the local party instead of going to the Republican party. Since then, pandering. And fear. If you ever listen to left wing radio, or an African-American radio station, it’s just amazing. I should word this more carefully, but many Black activists are ignorant bigots.

231 lifeofthemind  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 11:09:51am

re: #226 vapig

I can’t imagine the emissions will be pleasant. Haven’t they heard of natural gas?

Will they subsidize an influx of Mexican restaurants to help power the system?

232 redc1c4  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 11:09:54am

re: #193 ConservatismNow!

That’s because he’s black and not a Dem. A traitor to his race, I guess. I’m trying to figure out how the black community abandoned the Republican party. Anyone care to give me a history lesson?

when the Dems started giving them free stuff and built the culture of dependency?

/just a SWAG

233 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 11:09:55am

re: #213 Walter L. Newton

Er, I was on a roll there, so please excuse the sentence structure and some of the misuse of certain words.

234 unreconstructed rebel  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 11:10:10am

re: #220 albusteve

he’s alreading rethinking his ‘buy American’ meme….somebody must have explained trade war/isolationism/NAFTA to him

Canada’s Stephen Harper had to explain to him that he was being un-neighborly.

235 jaunte  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 11:10:27am

re: #202 Killgore Trout

In other transportation news, the continuing tax war on “red” voting rural counties continues:

Odometer clicks looked into as way to tax drivers
Carson City — Motorists could someday be taxed based on the number of miles they drive, not the gallons of gas they consume.
Increased fuel efficiency reduces gas tax revenue, the primary funding source for road construction and maintenance. Meanwhile, those infrastructure costs are rising.


lasvegassun.com

236 cincinnati_kid37  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 11:10:28am

re: #212 opnion

Barry still pushing for the Stimuluis bill but says “No One bill can cure the economy & recovery will take years.”
Uh huh, what happened to candidate Barry? That guy had all the quick fix answeres & made it all sound easy. Phony mofo!

Take a look at the stimulus bill breakdown. It might as well say - Toss 825 Bln down the toilet. Seriously.

And Barry and Biden think that Middle Class America will be much better off if it belongs to a union. THAT will keep companies in America won’t it? Gee, I wonder where a lot of that billion of campaign money came from. It’s payback time now.

Unbelievable all the children that voted for Obama thinking he was somehow righteous or would be interested in doing something righteous.

Welcome to the machine.

237 alegrias  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 11:10:35am

re: #186 MadHamster

Hmmm… me thinks The Big O just got fisted. Unfortunately, that means we all just did. Damn. How am I supposed to sit and enjoy the Superbowl now?

* * *
Personally I think we should cancel the Superbowl, like Carter cancelled the US participation in the 1980 Olympics, to show Americans who’s boss—in Carter’s case, the Soviets & Iran!

Carter really showed how powerful America was, by cancelling US participation in sports events.

238 BryanS  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 11:10:36am

re: #215 itellu3times

All true. Let’s see what he does. I’m sure he has no idea what he will do, either. And don’t forget, Hillary is on the job.

/gag-choke

It is an argument of sorts for engagement. I’d like to see someone in the government, say the night cleaning crew, write formal responses to formal Iranian rants. Heck, we could have the contest right here on LGF. I really think Bush’s “strong, silent” response was not the best choice.

Bush certainly could have done better vis-a-vis Iran. I suppose that since Obama is such a blank slate, there is a remote possibility he can be convinced to take a harder line with Iran. I just hope that by the time Obama realizes the Iranian game is to delay things until they have their bomb it is not too late. As it stands right now, it’s getting pretty close to being too late, if not already.

239 yma o hyd  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 11:10:55am

re: #213 Walter L. Newton

Yes - that is spot on, and if I were an american citizen, I’d see to organising at grass root level right now.

Also - it seems clear to me that it would pay off hugely if people read the books about FDR which have been recommended here a few times, Amity Shlaes’ book and that by Fulsom Jr.

PB0 is doing and, imho, planning to do what FDR did before 1941, and he thinks he can do it better, against all evidence.

Keep your eyes peeled for that!
And - action!

240 subsailor68  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 11:11:08am

re: #229 MandyManners

How fucking clueless can any one human be?

Hey, when you see his solution:

then Obama needs to bitch lap them

I mean, when he wants Obama to invoke the cruel, infamous “bitch lap”, you know he’s not clueless.

;-)

241 thefallingman  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 11:11:14am

If only there were some example of the proper way to handle people like this. Some sort of historical example of a dictator being overthrown and a moderately pro-American, democratic government being installed. Maybe something in a neighboring country. Anybody know of anything like that?

242 jwb7605  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 11:11:16am

re: #213 Walter L. Newton

Sheesh, Walter. First I stumble on yma o hyd’s post, reply that your premise seems to be supported, and now that rant.

NICE rant, by the way, and upding.

243 AuntAcid  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 11:11:27am

re: #202 Killgore Trout

Just Poop….
Poo Powers Oslo Buses

A big Yes to COpoo

244 stuiec  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 11:11:34am

This is the clearest illustration of magical thinking ever. The American electorate believed that by changing the party in the White House, they would change the attitudes and beliefs of America’s enemies in power abroad.

It makes no more sense than what the Bugblatter Beast of Traal believes. But it’s a very human weakness.

245 Sharmuta  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 11:11:35am

re: #222 avanti

They’ve had 30 years to settle out. They don’t like us!

246 unreconstructed rebel  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 11:11:43am

Gotta go. Onward thru the Fog, Lizards!

247 albusteve  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 11:12:21am

re: #234 unreconstructed rebel

Canada’s Stephen Harper had to explain to him that he was being un-neighborly.


“my people are looking it over but thanks anyway Steph…somebody will get back to you”

248 quickredfox  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 11:12:24am

re: #204 quickredfox

you are right, he does have some preconditions after all! (Just not necessarily for what we consider the other side.)

Or that should be, what we know to be the other side. I’m not so sure that he considers them to be the other side.

249 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 11:12:47am

re: #242 jwb7605

Sheesh, Walter. First I stumble on yma o hyd’s post, reply that your premise seems to be supported, and now that rant.

NICE rant, by the way, and upding.

Thanks. I had too much coffee this morning. LOL.

250 jcm  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 11:13:01am

re: #172 lostlakehiker

Rabbit Bait micromanaged the Desert One fiasco to death. Original op plans had a larger force. Bait cut it back because he didn’t want it appear as an invasion. One big issue was the rotors on the CH-53s. They have pressurized rotors, when the pressure drops a crack warning goes off. Peace time rules require and RTB. It was known that this system gave numerous false alarms. Peace time safety rules were left in place for the mission resulting in some of the -53s aborting.
It was this abort that lead to the disaster.

At the the time of the hostage taking it was a somewhat spontaneous student lead event. Many leaders in Iran when Khomeini endorsed it where ready to remove Khomeini at the slightest hint of US resolve.

If the original plan had been implement it would had a good chance of succeding and toppling Khomeini as a result.

Instead Rabbit Bait engineered a disaster and cemented the Mad Mullahs power and their war on US for 30 years.

Just another reason why I hate that feckless bastard so much.

251 Killgore Trout  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 11:13:12am

re: #235 jaunte

They tried that here in Portland and the hybrid drivers were ready to riot.

252 [deleted]  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 11:13:12am
253 [deleted]  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 11:13:15am
254 [deleted]  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 11:13:53am
255 quickjustice  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 11:14:01am

re: #193 ConservatismNow!

Oversimplifying, blacks were Republicans after the Civil War for obvious reasons. In the South, Reconstruction disenfranchised many white former Confederates, leading to election of Republican black governors, Republican black legislatures, and eventually, in reaction, the creation of the Klan. The U.S. Army enforced Reconstruction. The carpetbaggers arrived, and exploited the situation by abusing many southern whites using the power of the black legislatures, further polarizing the races. The pendulum swung hard in one direction.

When whites again received the franchise, they systematically began disenfranchising blacks, used terror tactics through the Klan to intimidate black voters, and retook political control of the South under the umbrella of the Democrat Party. The Republicans eventually cut a deal with the Democrats for pullout of the U.S. Army, and looked the other way as whites regained control using heavy-handed, racist tactics. The pendulum swung hard in the other direction.

It was FDR’s New Deal that swung blacks to the Democratic Party with entitlement programs and liberal, northern Democrat promises of restoration of their civil rights. The so-called “Dixiecrats” resisted such reforms to the bitter end.

In the end, it was an alliance of Republicans and northern Democrats that enacted the Civil Rights Act in 1964, mere months after the murder of the three civil rights workers by klansmen in Mississippi.

256 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 11:14:07am

re: #242 jwb7605

Sheesh, Walter. First I stumble on yma o hyd’s post, reply that your premise seems to be supported, and now that rant.

NICE rant, by the way, and upding.

By the way OT - you, your family, wife, date what ever, have a comp ticket to any one of our shows if you want. I have had local lizards over to the theatre before, and you are certainly on my list for a visit if you ever want to. keep it in mind.

257 panamahat  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 11:14:18am

re: #213 Walter L. Newton

Walter —
Agree COMPLETELY. Please see my post #194.

258 SurferDoc  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 11:14:45am

Every time I see dinnerjacket I imagine this conversation, eyeball to eyeball, in a quiet, measured tone: “Listen to me you little fuck. If you keep screwing with the US I am going to come over here, yank that toupee off your head and jam it down your throat. Then I am going to turn you around and put a boot up your ass. You got it?”

259 [deleted]  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 11:14:48am
260 jcm  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 11:15:45am

re: #222 avanti

The comments Charles posted from Iran were certainly not hopeful Since I’m a cup half full kind of guy, I’ll look for some hope. The guy was not high in the leadership of Iran, may have spoken off the cuff, or speaking for local consumption. He also may have just flipped the bird to Obama, and if that is the case, and he was stating Iran’s position, then Obama needs to bitch lap them.
I’ll give it a few days to settle out.

Nothing happens in Iran by chance. If a official misspeaks it’s the last thing he does. Iran uses a flunky to float a trial ballon, if it goes over badly with the current administration the claim is he was low level and spoken out of turn.

The thing is low level flunkies don’t speak unless directed too, it’s very bad for their health.

261 albusteve  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 11:15:53am

re: #239 yma o hyd

Yes - that is spot on, and if I were an american citizen, I’d see to organising at grass root level right now.

Also - it seems clear to me that it would pay off hugely if people read the books about FDR which have been recommended here a few times, Amity Shlaes’ book and that by Fulsom Jr.

PB0 is doing and, imho, planning to do what FDR did before 1941, and he thinks he can do it better, against all evidence.

Keep your eyes peeled for that!
And - action!


M Steele has a lot on his plate now….I’m really hoping to hear some people stand up and speak out unequivicably on conservative ideology including drawing out the differences to BOs policies…aggressive and loud…we’ll see….there is simply no time to waste

262 itellu3times  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 11:16:01am

re: #238 BryanS

Bush certainly could have done better vis-a-vis Iran. I suppose that since Obama is such a blank slate, there is a remote possibility he can be convinced to take a harder line with Iran. I just hope that by the time Obama realizes the Iranian game is to delay things until they have their bomb it is not too late. As it stands right now, it’s getting pretty close to being too late, if not already.

I really don’t get this, “once they have the bomb” stuff. Odds are it won’t be a very good or very small bomb, if they make it at home, and they still have to deliver it. Worst case is they manage to haul it by camelback to Israel, or I suppose hide it in a shipment of pistachios to some US port. But the world is a big place, and one or three small nukes, won’t destroy it. Even Israel might survive a couple of small nukes. Of course it would be ghastly, a second holocaust - and the Iranians would smile and laugh and deny all responsibility. Just before the Israeli retaliation killed 20 million Iranians. Hope it doesn’t come to that, but frankly, I’m not sure it can be prevented, unless the Iranians have enough sense to keep it in their pants. Time will tell.

263 alegrias  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 11:16:02am

re: #194 panamahat

OT —
Hope everyone will go to [Link: www.rnc.org…] and register to HELP. With Michael Steele at the helm, we have a great opportunity in 2010. We don’t want to lose it.

* * *
thanks for that. Steele is Catholic & conservative and decent, raised by a single parent who worked two jobs or more to stay off welfare and raise her own kids. Nice CHANGE from the democrats’ leader line-up.

And with Obama messing up royally, and Pelosi’s Pork Barrel Puke-o-crat Bailout over-reach, normal people will be asking for another CHANGE soon.

264 HoosierHoops  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 11:16:19am

re: #229 MandyManners

How fucking clueless can any one human be?

LOL
My mom always used to say that also.

265 jaunte  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 11:16:23am

re: #251 Killgore Trout

That’s pretty convincing proof that a taxing authority really doesn’t care about anything but increasing its revenue.

266 Killgore Trout  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 11:16:28am

re: #243 AuntAcid

Big Poop is ripping us off!

267 ciaospirit  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 11:17:05am

B Hussein always leaves himself an out when he can’t fulfill campaign propaganda.

At the end of a week that saw hundreds of thousands of people lose their jobs, Obama also used his Saturday radio and Internet address to tell that nation that “no one bill, no matter how comprehensive, can cure what ails our economy.”

B Hussein wants to create more debt to solve debt in this engineered mess. He who never ran a business will now tell CEOs exactly which funds are draining and which advance our economy. He’ll do this by drawing on his wealth of business experience.

Obama said Geithner soon would announce a new strategy “for reviving our financial system that gets credit flowing to businesses and families. We’ll help lower mortgage costs and extend loans to small businesses so they can create jobs. We’ll ensure that CEOs are not draining funds that should be advancing our recovery.”

268 screaming_eagle  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 11:17:47am

re: #241 thefallingman

If only there were some example of the proper way to handle people like this. Some sort of historical example of a dictator being overthrown and a moderately pro-American, democratic government being installed. Maybe something in a neighboring country. Anybody know of anything like that?


HEY
If the White House doesn’t want to talk about Iraqi elections you should either.

269 redc1c4  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 11:17:58am

re: #230 Dave the…..

“ignorant bigots” is redundant…….

270 opnion  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 11:18:27am

re: #218 unreconstructed rebel

Makes McCain’s meltdown a real tragedy, don’t it?

Yup

271 jaunte  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 11:18:33am

re: #202 Killgore Trout

Just Poop….
Poo Powers Oslo Buses

From the article:
“…it turns out Oslo has more than enough sludge to work with.”

272 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 11:18:45am

re: #257 panamahat

Walter —
Agree COMPLETELY. Please see my post #194.

Well, in my opinion, you don’t understand my post. Steele is part of the whole big machine. He may be honest, he may be sincere, but we are NOT going to get much help from the politicians that are entrenched in the party. They can’t even fight their own party.

My whole “rant” was making the point that both parties have failed in my opinion, and we need new, fresh people to attempt to take it back.

Yea, I know, we can’t do it without the support of the national party. Well, maybe if the party at the national level sees that we are not going to be fooled down here at the grass roots level, maybe they will start to crack.

But, no, I have no interest anymore in supporting the entrenched, career politicians on either side.

273 albusteve  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 11:18:45am

re: #268 screaming_eagle

HEY
If the White House doesn’t want to talk about Iraqi elections you should either.


the MSM is my dire enemy

274 pink freud  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 11:18:45am

re: #213 Walter L. Newton

Painfully and exquisitely precise.

275 abaleh  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 11:19:09am

No matter how much Obama tries to appease Iranians, they could never accept cordial relations with the US.
Obama is not dealing with the Iranian people, but with the Mullahs, who’s survival in power depends on them convincing their populace that there is a great big satan out to get them. If the great big satan is no longer a menace, how can they keep hold of their power? so long as they are defending their people from satan, there are no questions asked about the rising inflation, declining standard of living, and lack of economic progress in a country with a huge fossil fuel base.
If Obama wants a healthy relationship of respect with Iran, there is only one obstacle in his way, and it is not imaginary past US insults to the Islamic world, it is not the support of the US for Israel. It is the mullahs themselves and their theocracy.

276 ciaospirit  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 11:19:10am

re: #229 MandyManners

How fucking clueless can any one human be?

As clueless as justmyview.

277 alegrias  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 11:19:40am

re: #206 UberInfidel67

Regardig the previous thread, Charles mentioned that there is NOTHING about the Iraqi voting on the White House websits. I am just posting here to show my avatar. God Bless the free Iraqis and the brave men and women that helped them find their backbones.


* * * *

Iraq’s elections are another kick in Iran’s face.
Perhaps Obama’s White House website doesn’t want to hurt Iran’s wittle feelings by bragging about IRAQ!

George Bush Beat Iranians in Iraq! Bwahahaha.

278 M. Bensson-Levi  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 11:20:07am

re: #172 lostlakehiker

During the planning for the Iranian hostage rescue mission (Operation Eagle Claw), Col. Charles Beckwith, in a briefing to President Carter, and Sect. of State Cyrus Vance assured them both that any sentries would be easily dispatched with silenced weapons. Carter asked in horror if that meant that they would be killed, and Beckwith answered in the affirmative. Vance then asked, in all seriousness, “Couldn’t you just shoot them in the arm?”. (Might have been Carter, who asked it.)

This is a No Sh*t Sherlock, moment. This is the level of reality that went into the rescue operation. The fault lay mostly with the micro managed interference of Carter & Co., and their refusal to clear their minds of fantastic delusions, and recognize, and embrace, reality.

Now, we’re seeing this pattern repeated in the behavior of Obama. Absolutely mind boggling!

279 Shr_Nfr  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 11:20:37am

re: #267 ciaospirit

As I am sure a lot of people know, it is a federal crime to say things to a federal officer that are not true, even if one is not under oath. I suggest that we expand this to cover federal officers saying things to the American public. It would put the whole of our government behind bars where they belong.

280 quickjustice  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 11:20:47am

re: #213 Walter L. Newton

I’ll admit that I’m having fun, Walter. How about you? As for your larger point, I think it’s fair. I will respectfully remind, you, however, that FDR’s New Deal crew were Soviet-trained and very hard-left. At the moment, we’re well to the right of where FDR took us, price controls and all. FDR also was a national security and defense hawk who secretly lobbied for U.S. entry into the Second World War, and not-so-secretly persuaded Congress to enact Lend Lease to Great Britain before we entered the war. That was his virtue.

The Democrats of that day were defense hawks. Modern Democrats are not. I’d argue that pacifist Democrats, including Obama, are a greater threat to this nation than FDR and his crew ever were.

281 AuntAcid  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 11:21:11am

re: #266 Killgore Trout

Big Poop is ripping us off!

Feh!

282 [deleted]  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 11:21:34am
283 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 11:21:52am

re: #274 pink freud

Painfully and exquisitely precise.

Thank you, although I should have previewed it an cleaned up some of the word usage. When I go stream of conscienness (sp?) like that, I don’t like to stop.

284 Kronocide  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 11:21:52am

You guys are missing the protected nature preserve for the indigenous grasses. The One is many steps ahead on this one.

To get the fist clenchers to open their hands in friendship and understanding, and show that we understand their feelings and trust them (which would undoubtedly cause them to not feel like clenching), The One will give them nuclear weapons. That way, the won’t feel threatened by us since we don’t want to invade them, and proved it by giving them weapons. Plus, it’s only fair that they have them too, since we do. Peace through Proliferation, si?

Brilliant!

285 opnion  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 11:22:28am

re: #222 avanti

The comments Charles posted from Iran were certainly not hopeful Since I’m a cup half full kind of guy, I’ll look for some hope. The guy was not high in the leadership of Iran, may have spoken off the cuff, or speaking for local consumption. He also may have just flipped the bird to Obama, and if that is the case, and he was stating Iran’s position, then Obama needs to bitch lap them.
I’ll give it a few days to settle out.

Avant, Obama is not going to do the Bitch slapping, he has just been bitch slapped. They didn’t even respect him enough for a “Clenched fist”
BHO seems to have little sense off history , or in the alternative he really, really likes the other side. He already pandered on Al Arabyia.

286 scalleywag  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 11:23:13am

Looks like Obama has just been pwned.

287 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 11:23:34am

re: #222 avanti

The comments Charles posted from Iran were certainly not hopeful Since I’m a cup half full kind of guy, I’ll look for some hope. The guy was not high in the leadership of Iran, may have spoken off the cuff, or speaking for local consumption. He also may have just flipped the bird to Obama, and if that is the case, and he was stating Iran’s position, then Obama needs to bitch lap them.
I’ll give it a few days to settle out.

He was the official spoke person for the Iranian government. How much more official do you need? Did you even look up who he was? I did.

Yea, cup half filled, brain half used.

288 SpartanWoman  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 11:23:45am

Obama is a disaster for this nation.

Mash notes to dictators!? This is what donks think is “presidential”?

289 jwb7605  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 11:24:09am

re: #256 Walter L. Newton

By the way OT - you, your family, wife, date what ever, have a comp ticket to any one of our shows if you want. I have had local lizards over to the theatre before, and you are certainly on my list for a visit if you ever want to. keep it in mind.

noted, with many thanks.
post printed and on the kitchen table for when the wife gets back.

290 screaming_eagle  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 11:24:14am

re: #273 albusteve

the MSM is my dire enemy

I concur with that thought. The only way to get them to turn on the One is if the arrogance of each side comes face to face.

291 alegrias  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 11:24:54am

re: #218 unreconstructed rebel

Makes McCain’s meltdown a real tragedy, don’t it?

* * **
McCain Meltdown? No way!

By percent it was 47% McCain to 53% Obama

If you look at a map of the US by county, McCain’s red is all over the country! Obama’s blue counties are tiny by comparison.

At least 50 million Americans didn’t drink the cool-ade.

We can work on the other silly millions.

Obama Disillusionment’s coming, baby.

292 Jimmah  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 11:25:14am

Just a thought - perhaps Obama knows how unlikely diplomacy will be in this case but is going through the charade as part of a process which is designed to convince his supporters what a dangerous asshole Ahmedinejad actually is. One possible result being that when force is used it will only be after having demonstrably exhausted other ‘possibilities’, (change?) and only after the ‘obamamedia’ is used to the idea of presenting Ahmedinejad as a man with whom dialogue really is useless.

293 albusteve  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 11:25:14am

re: #285 opnion

Avant, Obama is not going to do the Bitch slapping, he has just been bitch slapped. They didn’t even respect him enough for a “Clenched fist”
BHO seems to have little sense off history , or in the alternative he really, really likes the other side. He already pandered on Al Arabyia.

they all live in their dream world…reality makes no sense to them at all…expect more of the same…much more

294 Shr_Nfr  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 11:25:33am

re: #275 abaleh

He has demonstrate a vast lack of understanding on the topic of how those folks think. You have a honor/pride based society. If Sadaam had been rational, he would have gone the Idi Amin route and left the country and took up residence in Saudi Arabia when they offered it to him. But the ethos of that part of the world would not allow it. Net, net, he is dead, his sons are dead, and all the rest. I am not going to argue that this is not a good result, it is, but when you deal with these countries, you must understand how they think. Obama is feckless.

295 redc1c4  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 11:25:51am

re: #258 SurferDoc

Every time I see dinnerjacket I imagine this conversation, eyeball to eyeball, in a quiet, measured tone: “Listen to me you little fuck. If you keep screwing with the US I am going to come over here, yank that toupee off your head and jam it down your throat. Then I am going to turn you around and put a boot up your ass. You got it?”

don’t bother talking, if you eve get the chance: just do it.

/only thing he’d respect.

296 thefallingman  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 11:26:08am

re: #268 screaming_eagle
Sorry! Forgot that my CINC doesn’t like Iraq. Thanks for reminding me.

297 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 11:26:21am

re: #289 jwb7605

noted, with many thanks.
post printed and on the kitchen table for when the wife gets back.

Just contact me (click on my name) ahead of time so I can make the arrangements. Ahead of time means a few days.

298 debutaunt  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 11:26:54am

re: #283 Walter L. Newton

Thank you, although I should have previewed it an cleaned up some of the word usage. When I go stream of consciousness like that, I don’t like to stop.

Use the spellcheck or pay the fine.

299 avanti  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 11:27:08am

re: #229 MandyManners

How fucking clueless can any one human be?

Mandy, I’d never accuse anyone of being clueless about a issue we know so little about yet. I agreed that it is not a good sign, but it’s very early to know what the official Iranian position is.
Assume we reverse the position and a Senator makes a comment at a Evangelical conference that Islam is our real enemy. Iran takes that and uses it to say the official US position is against Islam.
The guy from Iran might well be repeating the official position, but diplomats do not jump to that conclusion in a split second without more information.
If you think I’m clueless about the nuances of diplomacy, so be it, but I’ll give it a few days.

300 Shr_Nfr  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 11:27:15am

re: #292 Jimmah

Doubt it. He is too full of himself.

301 redc1c4  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 11:27:46am

re: #222 avanti

The comments Charles posted from Iran were certainly not hopeful Since I’m a cup half full kind of guy, I’ll look for some hope. The guy was not high in the leadership of Iran, may have spoken off the cuff, or speaking for local consumption. He also may have just flipped the bird to Obama, and if that is the case, and he was stating Iran’s position, then Obama needs to bitch lap them.
I’ll give it a few days to settle out.

dear SFB: he IS their bitch lap…….

or lap bitch, however you want to look at it.

302 SurferDoc  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 11:28:02am

re: #295 redc1c4

don’t bother talking, if you eve get the chance: just do it.

/only thing he’d respect.

I know what you mean, red. It’s a fantasy. IRL I’d have him by his skinny neck and he’d have full shorts and my eyes would be telling him all he needed to know.

303 zelnaga  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 11:28:12am

I don’t imagine this is going to phase Obama much. It’s kinda like house buying, I’d imagine - you make an offer for a house and the seller thinks it’s too low, so the seller makes a counter offer that you think is too high. Eventually, you either find an acceptable price that both of you like or you start looking at other houses.

Obama has attempted to make an appeasement and Iran is trying to get more appeasement. If Obama doesn’t offer that additional appeasement, Iran may just decide to take what they can get. Or they might not.

That Iran said that Obama’s offer showed “the system of domination [has] failed” is like the house seller saying “your offer was a bad one and the theory that led to you concluding it was a good one has failed”. Maybe it has, maybe it hasn’t - maybe Iran will take it if they figure they can’t get anything else, or, if Iran won’t take it, then, from their perspective, it may have been a bad deal.

To say that this means that all Iran understands is force seems a bit like jumping the gun.

304 albusteve  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 11:28:17am

re: #299 avanti

Mandy, I’d never accuse anyone of being clueless about a issue we know so little about yet. I agreed that it is not a good sign, but it’s very early to know what the official Iranian position is. Assume we reverse the position and a Senator makes a comment at a Evangelical conference that Islam is our real enemy. Iran takes that and uses it to say the official US position is against Islam.
The guy from Iran might well be repeating the official position, but diplomats do not jump to that conclusion in a split second without more information.
If you think I’m clueless about the nuances of diplomacy, so be it, but I’ll give it a few days.

DUH?….

305 panamahat  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 11:28:26am

re: #263 alegrias

As they say —
There’s lots of complainin’ goin’ round — not so much doin’.

We have a serious opportunity for doin’ under the dynamic Mr. Steele’s leadership. I lived in Maryland when he was Lt. Governor and he was DYNAMIC. Still have my Ehrlich-Steele T-shirt and wear it proudly.

On the RNC website, you can sign up for LOTS of grassroots work — phoning, door-to-door, coffees, etc., etc.

If every Lizard signed up — WOW!

306 SpartanWoman  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 11:28:28am

re: #301 redc1c4

dear SFB: he IS their bitch lap…….

or lap bitch, however you want to look at it.

Obama is their pole dancer!

307 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 11:28:55am

re: #294 Shr_Nfr

He has demonstrate a vast lack of understanding on the topic of how those folks think. You have a honor/pride based society. If Sadaam had been rational, he would have gone the Idi Amin route and left the country and took up residence in Saudi Arabia when they offered it to him. But the ethos of that part of the world would not allow it. Net, net, he is dead, his sons are dead, and all the rest. I am not going to argue that this is not a good result, it is, but when you deal with these countries, you must understand how they think. Obama is feckless.

Yea, keep saying that, he’s feckless, over and over, and suddenly, when everything that Obama has been working for all his life comes true, you’ll be saying he’s still feckless.

Start giving the man credit. He knows what he is doing and it is dangerous to our country.

308 screaming_eagle  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 11:29:24am

re: #296 thefallingman

Sorry! Forgot that my CINC doesn’t like Iraq. Thanks for reminding me.

Heck I thought I was responding to sarcasism with sarcasism.

309 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 11:30:43am

re: #299 avanti

Mandy, I’d never accuse anyone of being clueless about a issue we know so little about yet. I agreed that it is not a good sign, but it’s very early to know what the official Iranian position is.
Assume we reverse the position and a Senator makes a comment at a Evangelical conference that Islam is our real enemy. Iran takes that and uses it to say the official US position is against Islam.
The guy from Iran might well be repeating the official position, but diplomats do not jump to that conclusion in a split second without more information.
If you think I’m clueless about the nuances of diplomacy, so be it, but I’ll give it a few days.

I already left this comment to you, why do you ignore it and then go right on with your dribble.

THE MAN WHO SPOKE FOR IS THE OFFICIAL GOVERNMENT SPOKE PERSON.

Are you that fucking dense?

310 SpartanWoman  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 11:31:08am

re: #307 Walter L. Newton

I agree with you. he knows that Porkulus will trash our economy and that’s what he wants.

He is also planning our surrender to Islam, if not our humiliation then our tacit approval of their violence as recompence for some nebulous American “sins”.

311 avanti  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 11:31:12am

re: #245 Sharmuta

They’ve had 30 years to settle out. They don’t like us!

The radicals hate us, the youth population is too in love with western stuff to agree and it’s the only hope for Iran’s future.

312 rightymouse  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 11:31:21am

re: #216 screaming_eagle

Sorry, I don’t think he will. He believes the crap about the US being imperialistic and it’s the root of the cause. He’ll only change once he has taken us to far and all those around he say NO Mr. President.

Till then he will continue to show his weakness.

Showing weakness as the leader of America is a very, very bad idea. It invites the insane in the world to be more insane.

The burden is in Obama now. He can’t complain about anyone else’s policy. Does he really want his Presidency to fail? Time will tell. I don’t think he’s stupid. I think he’s young, inexperienced and woefully misguided. Can he grow up and stop the kumbaya nonsense? We’ll see.

313 opnion  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 11:31:21am

re: #293 albusteve

they all live in their dream world…reality makes no sense to them at all…expect more of the same…much more

I would take pleasure in Barry getting slapped up, if I didn’t think that enboldened the Jihadis, put our troops in greater danger & made us all less safe.

314 panamahat  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 11:31:38am

re: #272 Walter L. Newton

Uh — maybe read into it what I wanted to see.

Still, we have to work with who and what we have. IMO, there’s no time nor impetus to create something brand new. And I do think Mr. Steele is excellent — in the same way I think Sarah Palin is.

315 pink freud  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 11:31:43am

re: #299 avanti

Mandy, I’d never accuse anyone of being clueless about a issue we know so little about yet. I agreed that it is not a good sign, but it’s very early to know what the official Iranian position is.
Assume we reverse the position and a Senator makes a comment at a Evangelical conference that Islam is our real enemy. Iran takes that and uses it to say the official US position is against Islam.
The guy from Iran might well be repeating the official position, but diplomats do not jump to that conclusion in a split second without more information.
If you think I’m clueless about the nuances of diplomacy, so be it, but I’ll give it a few days.

What part of “Death to America” are you having trouble with?

What part of “America is the Great Satan” gives you pause?

Your relativism and equivalency skills are in lockstep with every liberal I know.

316 redc1c4  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 11:32:11am

re: #309 Walter L. Newton

I already left this comment to you, why do you ignore it and then go right on with your dribble.

THE MAN WHO SPOKE FOR IS THE OFFICIAL GOVERNMENT SPOKE PERSON.

Are you that fucking dense?


willfully obtuse

317 Kronocide  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 11:32:54am

re: #303 zelnaga
To say that this means that all Iran understands is force seems a bit like jumping the gun.

Who’s saying that? They seem to understand appeasement as well.

Somehow, the analogy of buying a house and comparing geopolitical nuclear politics and buying a house is just not popping.

318 ciaospirit  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 11:33:20am

re: #261 albusteve

M Steele has a lot on his plate now….I’m really hoping to hear some people stand up and speak out unequivicably on conservative ideology including drawing out the differences to BOs policies…aggressive and loud…we’ll see….there is simply no time to waste

I’d like to see him change his stance on affirmative action. Discrimination against any person or group is unconstitutional. Whites should not be the exception.

319 SpartanWoman  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 11:33:24am

re: #316 redc1c4

willfully obtuse

Just full of “hope”. It’s such a fool’s courage these Obama-ites have.

320 Shr_Nfr  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 11:33:25am

re: #307 Walter L. Newton

I beg to differ. I think he is just too full of himself and does not know what he is doing.

321 alegrias  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 11:33:40am

re: #288 SpartanWoman

Obama is a disaster for this nation.

Mash notes to dictators!? This is what donks think is “presidential”?

* * *
Yes, mash notes to dictators is what Hollywood and asses think Bush didn’t do right.

God Bless President Bush for figuratively lopping off Iraq’s dictating head.

No democrat I know has the balls to STAND UP to dictators.

322 albusteve  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 11:33:55am

re: #311 avanti

The radicals hate us, the youth population is too in love with western stuff to agree and it’s the only hope for Iran’s future.

cruise missles are faster and much more decisive…in a pinch of course

323 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 11:34:11am

re: #314 panamahat

Uh — maybe read into it what I wanted to see.

Still, we have to work with who and what we have. IMO, there’s no time nor impetus to create something brand new. And I do think Mr. Steele is excellent — in the same way I think Sarah Palin is.

Then I’m sorry, I don’t agree. Palin. That answers it for me, we’re fucked.

We better get the fucking impetus to do something, and create new is the only thing left. Palin is a career politician. You saw how McCain treated her right after he put her on the ticket. She was there for arm candy only.

Stop letting the party have there power, we need to clean them ALL out.

324 jwb7605  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 11:34:23am

re: #313 opnion

I would take pleasure in Barry getting slapped up, if I didn’t think that enboldened the Jihadis, put our troops in greater danger & made us all less safe.

I have mixed emotions about that scenario.
I think Obama might overreact and bite off more than the US could chew.
Yes, I think that is possible given the adjustments he seems to be making with regard to military and pentagon budgets.
He seems quite willing to leave the country with an “all or none” response capability.

325 jcm  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 11:34:41am

re: #299 avanti

But I do understand Iran.
They are slapping Obama around. To see what happens.
If Obama reacts forcefully and calls them, then the the official line will be it was a low level flunky speaking out of line.
If Obama doesn’t they know they can step forward and act more belligerently, they will continue to push to see where Obama’s line is.

326 Shr_Nfr  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 11:34:52am

re: #312 rightymouse

Has Dhimmi Carter changed? I rest my case.

327 thefallingman  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 11:35:26am

re: #308 screaming_eagle
You were. I was just having a little fun with it.

328 albusteve  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 11:35:35am

re: #318 ciaospirit

I’d like to see him change his stance on affirmative action. Discrimination against any person or group is unconstitutional. Whites should not be the exception.

me too and he might at some point….but there are bigger fish to fry right now…BO must be relentlessly attacked….no mercy, no letup

329 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 11:35:46am

re: #320 Shr_Nfr

I beg to differ. I think he is just too full of himself and does not know what he is doing.

And every fucking person that is working for him too? Sure, keep believing in unicorns.

330 ciaospirit  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 11:35:50am

re: #282 ploome hineni

was she banned?

I think it changed its nic. Avanti?

331 redc1c4  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 11:36:04am

re: #312 rightymouse

Showing weakness as the leader of America is a very, very bad idea. It invites the insane in the world to be more insane.

The burden is in Obama now. He can’t complain about anyone else’s policy. Does he really want his Presidency to fail? Time will tell. I don’t think he’s stupid. I think he’s young, inexperienced and woefully misguided. Can he grow up and stop the kumbaya nonsense? We’ll see.

no, he IS that stupid, and so are the chowder heads that voted for him. time has already told, and it can only get worse from here.

he’s not suddenly gonna grow a pair or a spine, let alone throw away the mindless twaddle that passes for his personal philosophy and world view. he’ll be the same whiny little shitbird he is now to his dying day.

332 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 11:36:18am

re: #316 redc1c4

willfully obtuse

Well, that’s what you would say in mixed company :)

333 Shr_Nfr  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 11:37:28am

re: #325 jcm

“If Obama reacts forcefully and calls them, then the the official line will be it was a low level flunky speaking out of line.” Obama acting forcefully on foreign affairs other than throwing the car into reverse and hitting the gas pedal. I think not.

334 Jimmah  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 11:37:36am

re: #300 Shr_Nfr

Doubt it. He is too full of himself.

Well, I’m giving him the benefit of the doubt for now, because I really don’t think he is an idiot like Carter. Time will tell one way or the other.

335 albusteve  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 11:37:49am

re: #320 Shr_Nfr

I beg to differ. I think he is just too full of himself and does not know what he is doing.

I think the answer is somewhere in between…he knows exactly what he wants but is naive on how to acheive it…if that makes sense

336 Shr_Nfr  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 11:38:38am

re: #329 Walter L. Newton

Have you noticed the quality of the people working for him? Let us agree to differ and revisit this a couple years later.

337 SurferDoc  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 11:38:53am

re: #331 redc1c4

no, he IS that stupid, and so are the chowder heads that voted for him. time has already told, and it can only get worse from here.

he’s not suddenly gonna grow a pair or a spine, let alone throw away the mindless twaddle that passes for his personal philosophy and world view. he’ll be the same whiny little shitbird he is now to his dying day.

Yes! Narcissists don’t learn, they justify their failures by blaming others and continue doing the same things over and over.

338 screaming_eagle  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 11:39:01am

re: #312 rightymouse

Showing weakness as the leader of America is a very, very bad idea. It invites the insane in the world to be more insane.

The burden is in Obama now. He can’t complain about anyone else’s policy. Does he really want his Presidency to fail? Time will tell. I don’t think he’s stupid. I think he’s young, inexperienced and woefully misguided. Can he grow up and stop the kumbaya nonsense? We’ll see.

Wait. All I’m saying is Obama has been influenced by the links of Rev Wright and Bill Ayers. He believes this imperialistic evil America bullshit. He will not see the light until it’s to late. And it will likely be others around him screaming NO. You cannot project common sense onto Obama just because it is plain as day. He doesn’t think that way.

339 albusteve  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 11:39:02am

re: #323 Walter L. Newton

Then I’m sorry, I don’t agree. Palin. That answers it for me, we’re fucked.

We better get the fucking impetus to do something, and create new is the only thing left. Palin is a career politician. You saw how McCain treated her right after he put her on the ticket. She was there for arm candy only.

Stop letting the party have there power, we need to clean them ALL out.


including Steele?….what’s left if you clean them all out?….did you like Duncan Hunter?

340 [deleted]  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 11:39:18am
341 jcm  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 11:39:30am

re: #333 Shr_Nfr

“If Obama reacts forcefully and calls them, then the the official line will be it was a low level flunky speaking out of line.” Obama acting forcefully on foreign affairs other than throwing the car into reverse and hitting the gas pedal. I think not.

If Iran thought he might they wouldn’t push so hard so early.

342 Shr_Nfr  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 11:39:39am

re: #335 albusteve

It does. However, I do not think that what he wants is in the best interest of this country.

343 SpartanWoman  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 11:39:44am

Obama does not “believe in unicorns”. His supporters have bought a lot of false advertising. O believes in appeasement and non-violence in the face of Muslim or Communist aggression. He has also appointed people who would take action against those who would challenge those he would appease. Watch for a belligerant stance toward Israel and Columbia.

344 redc1c4  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 11:40:09am

re: #332 Walter L. Newton

Well, that’s what you would say in mixed company :)

naw, i tend to speak my 11Bravo mind at all times. company be damned.

345 panamahat  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 11:40:20am

re: #323 Walter L. Newton

So be a leader and start it.

346 rightymouse  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 11:40:30am

re: #299 avanti

Mandy, I’d never accuse anyone of being clueless about a issue we know so little about yet. I agreed that it is not a good sign, but it’s very early to know what the official Iranian position is.
Assume we reverse the position and a Senator makes a comment at a Evangelical conference that Islam is our real enemy. Iran takes that and uses it to say the official US position is against Islam.
The guy from Iran might well be repeating the official position, but diplomats do not jump to that conclusion in a split second without more information.
If you think I’m clueless about the nuances of diplomacy, so be it, but I’ll give it a few days.

You, sir, are a blithering idiot. Link to ONE ‘I love America’ or “we are willing to work with America’ comment/statement from Iran leaders in…oh…since the Shah was still around.

347 z9z99  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 11:40:47am

Seems like an appropriate time to repost this, from August 2005:

The Pit Bull
An Allegory of the Left

One fine late summer day, Larry strode down the sidewalk next to a tall wooden fence. As he walked, a dog began barking spiritedly from the other side. “Hmmm,” thought Larry “that poor, poor animal is being oppressed by the authorities who erected this fence.” This thought filled Larry with a rush of self-esteem. “This fence is not right,” thought Larry. “I see no sense in it, other than to concentrate power in those who built it. I shall help the poor animal inside.” The resulting jolt of self-esteem left Larry lightheaded. He nonetheless took it upon himself to pry loose a board in the fence, feeling he had now freed the dog to follow its conscience about which side of the fence to stay on.

Larry continued down the sidewalk, buoyed by the gossamer wings of esteem for himself, and his own sense of wonderfulness. His thoughts were interrupted by the unmistakeable sound of a pit bull, who had apparently decided that it preferred to be on the same side of the fence as Larry, if only because that made mauling things easier. Larry turned to see the snarling animal bearing down on him, teeth bared, snarling violently, anticipatory saliva flying off into the slipstream.

“Maybe this dog will bite me,” Larry considered, his self esteem momentarily displaced. “Perhaps I can reason with him. I’ll get him to consider tofu, or some other less meat-oriented diet.” A chastening thought then occured to him. “What if attacking me is reasonable? I really shouldn’t impose my value system.” The familiar opiate of self-worth again comforted Larry.

“Perhaps I should jump the fence to get away from this doggie,” thought Larry as the distance between them was becoming uncomfortably small. “No, I shouldn’t assume that just because this is a charging pit bull that it is any more likely than any other dog to bite me. Unless Clifford the Big Red Dog would send me over the fence, I won’t let my prejudices get the better of me.”

As the dog was now airborne, jaws agape, Larry thought “I wonder what we all did to provoke this dog. I can’t help but feel some collective responsibility.” The expected rush of esteem was interrupted by the animal sinking its canine chompers into the flesh of Larry’s upper arm. The pain was intense and it took some effort for Larry to reason: “You know, this is why we need universal healthcare.”

348 alegrias  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 11:41:21am

re: #305 panamahat

As they say —
There’s lots of complainin’ goin’ round — not so much doin’.

We have a serious opportunity for doin’ under the dynamic Mr. Steele’s leadership. I lived in Maryland when he was Lt. Governor and he was DYNAMIC. Still have my Ehrlich-Steele T-shirt and wear it proudly.

On the RNC website, you can sign up for LOTS of grassroots work — phoning, door-to-door, coffees, etc., etc.

If every Lizard signed up — WOW!

* * * * *
Lizard Election Alert in Northern Virginia: Give Obamanauts the Finger

This Tuesday, February 3— Fairfax Country Virginia

PLEASE vote for Mr. Patrick Herrity (R) over democrat Sharon Bulova for County Board. Herrity is one gutsy guy fighting the democrat Borgmachine that went 80% for Obama in this area.

(Northern Virginia’s Fairfax County is hugely important, here in the Nation’s Capital)

Please encourage any Fairfax residents to vote for Patrick Herrity this upcoming Tuesday.

349 jwb7605  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 11:41:28am

re: #336 Shr_Nfr

Have you noticed the quality of the people working for him? Let us agree to differ and revisit this a couple years later.


I see your point, but my money is on Walter.
Especially if Daschle gets confirmed in light of even more egregious tax dodging issues than Timothy Geithner has.

350 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 11:42:20am

re: #345 panamahat

So be a leader and start it.

I’m a populist , I’m a writer, I’m not a leader, really.

351 albusteve  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 11:42:20am

re: #342 Shr_Nfr

It does. However, I do not think that what he wants is in the best interest of this country.

“patriotic Americans line up over there behind the blue line”….

352 Marvo76  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 11:42:43am

re: #27 Walter L. Newton

Well, we don’t know if Dinnerjacket believes this, Gholam Hossein Elham is only the government spokesperson. I think we need the 48 hour rule and wait to see what Obama thinks about this. We may be making a mountain out of a molehill.

/channeling Cognito.

48 hour rule or not, If the Osiah doesn’t take a hard line from that he is nothing but a fool….of course I don’t think we ever had any doubts on that issue did we?

353 unrealizedviewpoint  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 11:42:53am

re: #335 albusteve

I think the answer is somewhere in between…he knows exactly what he wants but is naive on how to acheive it…if that makes sense

Here’s my take on the O, and lib politicians in general, ie: how they think:
“Let’s get through this, just get through today, back-burner it and maybe it’ll go away, or at least not be my problem.”

354 jwb7605  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 11:43:07am

re: #339 albusteve

including Steele?….what’s left if you clean them all out?….did you like Duncan Hunter?

He was my #2 guy just behind Fred!
Not a “dynamic” speaker, though. You had to research is background, which almost nobody will do (referring to “average voters”).

355 Scion9  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 11:43:11am

re: #255 quickjustice

About 30% of the black vote went Dem with FDR’s New Deal. For the most part blacks in the South stayed Republican, while blacks in the North went Democrat. This put fragments in the black Republican voting black that decayed over the years, which eventually culminated in the Johnson-Nixon Era, given Johnson’s second New Deal that was the Great Society, and the propaganda victory of Civil Rights legislation (that was overwhelming opposed by Democrats). During Nixon’s campaign he used some segregationist Dog Whistles to essentially swap electorates with the Dems in the South. Analyzing the success of the Dixiecrats and other Independent segregationists, it was a better electoral strategy to gain all of the South and Heartland than it was to hold onto only about half of the Black vote.

Historically, for most of their existence the Republicans were at the forefront of the “Progressive” movement, and the black community has basically always been on board for that. After the Republicans sided with Taft in the early 20th century it was really only a matter of time that the black voting bloc would leave.

The history of Progressives in America goes way back to the New England Whigs, and the Parliamentarians/Puritans of the English Civil War and Glorious Revolution. As such, as a political movement it was deeply intertwined with many Protestant Churches (at TR’s Bull Moose convention in his run against Taft and Wilson there were choir’s that performed traditional Christian hymns but replaced references to Jesus to ones for Roosevelt). In particular the precursors to the liberal, universalist, only quasi-religious variety that we see today that emphasize community, conformity and fraternity over theology. This type of Church was very popular in the black community in the North and South even when most blacks were still solid Republican.

356 avanti  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 11:44:13am

re: #287 Walter L. Newton

He was the official spoke person for the Iranian government. How much more official do you need? Did you even look up who he was? I did.

Yea, cup half filled, brain half used.

Walter, when you are right, I’ll admit it, and I did miss that important point and did just now google him. The insults directed toward me don’t enhance the discussion though. I’ll see what the response is from the administration is, but my optimism cup has been drained a bit.

357 panamahat  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 11:44:49am

re: #348 alegrias

* * * * *
Lizard Election Alert in Northern Virginia: Give Obamanauts the Finger

This Tuesday, February 3— Fairfax Country Virginia

PLEASE vote for Mr. Patrick Herrity (R) over democrat Sharon Bulova for County Board. Herrity is one gutsy guy fighting the democrat Borgmachine that went 80% for Obama in this area.

(Northern Virginia’s Fairfax County is hugely important, here in the Nation’s Capital)

Please encourage any Fairfax residents to vote for Patrick Herrity this upcoming Tuesday.


This is the way to do it. Start at the local level — and the rest will follow.

358 rightymouse  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 11:44:50am

re: #326 Shr_Nfr

Has Dhimmi Carter changed? I rest my case.

No. But when I met him at the White House at a press Xmas party back in 1977 he was already pretty old and orange (from the pancake make-up). When Obama starts looking old and turning orange to cover the grey, and still spouting crap, I’ll worry. lol!

359 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 11:45:07am

re: #346 rightymouse

You, sir, are a blithering idiot. Link to ONE ‘I love America’ or “we are willing to work with America’ comment/statement from Iran leaders in…oh…since the Shah was still around.

Avanti is that and much more… I will quote Mike Rosen, our local conservative talk show host in Denver, who has been on the radio in Denver for probably 30 years.

“Don’t tell me you are a moderate. Moderate is an adjective. It is a qualifier. You may be a moderate conservative, a moderate democrat, or a moderate drinker but it doesn’t tell me what you believe in. It’s not a philosophy. Unless all you believe in is moderation for the sake of moderation. Grow up! You can’t be a good egg all of your life. Someday you have to either hatch or rot.”

360 alegrias  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 11:45:25am

re: #323 Walter L. Newton

* * *
You’re wrong about Governor Palin and are omitting facts.

Palin’s no career politician.
She was a hockey mom and sportscaster with no political connections.
Palin took down her state’s corrupt politicians.

Palin’s Thatcher-like guts is the kind of courage it takes to change politics. And it helps to be attractive and tough as Palin is.

361 panamahat  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 11:45:37am

re: #350 Walter L. Newton

I’m a populist , I’m a writer, I’m not a leader, really.

Yeah, that’s what they all say……..

362 babes  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 11:45:47am

re: #348 alegrias

I surely will. I was listening to his telephone town hall meeting and this guy is smart and intelligent.

363 SurferDoc  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 11:46:09am

Narcissists do not learn or change. They eventually decompose.

364 Marvo76  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 11:47:47am

re: #358 rightymouse

He might have been old and gray in 77 but he has had time to recouperate and become stupidier in his old age, If maybe he had become mute….then we might be on something…

365 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 11:48:22am

re: #360 alegrias

* * *
You’re wrong about Governor Palin and are omitting facts.

Palin’s no career politician.
She was a hockey mom and sportscaster with no political connections.
Palin took down her state’s corrupt politicians.

Palin’s Thatcher-like guts is the kind of courage it takes to change politics. And it helps to be attractive and tough as Palin is.

How long has she been in politics, starting with her first public office. Where has her personal source of income come from during that time?

366 ciaospirit  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 11:48:40am

re: #340 ploome hineni

hmmm

I asked it about a week ago. It didn’t answer me. Unless I missed it. Shall I ask it again?

367 alegrias  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 11:48:45am

re: #350 Walter L. Newton

I’m a populist , I’m a writer, I’m not a leader, really.

* * *
Like Pat Buchanan, always telling his “followers” to get out their pitchforks.

That worked so well. NOT.

thanks but no thanks

368 rightymouse  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 11:50:34am

re: #338 screaming_eagle

Wait. All I’m saying is Obama has been influenced by the links of Rev Wright and Bill Ayers. He believes this imperialistic evil America bullshit. He will not see the light until it’s to late. And it will likely be others around him screaming NO. You cannot project common sense onto Obama just because it is plain as day. He doesn’t think that way.


I understand what you’re saying, but I also perceive Obama as an opportunist who has shown that he is ready and willing to throw his original mentors under the bus for political expediency.

Is Obama willing to look like a naive fool by 2012 and go down in history as a naive fool?

Americans don’t do socialism and attacks on our soil/citizens well. Thank goodness.

369 cincinnati_kid37  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 11:51:21am

re: #320 Shr_Nfr

I beg to differ. I think he is just too full of himself and does not know what he is doing.

I agree. He’s a punk.

370 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 11:52:07am

re: #360 alegrias

* * *
You’re wrong about Governor Palin and are omitting facts.

Palin’s no career politician.
She was a hockey mom and sportscaster with no political connections.
Palin took down her state’s corrupt politicians.

Palin’s Thatcher-like guts is the kind of courage it takes to change politics. And it helps to be attractive and tough as Palin is.

She started on city council in 1992. Gee, if I was in public service for the last 17 years, I certainly would call it a career.

Who are you trying to fool, or am I not nuanced enough.

I don’t want to deal with the career politicians. I went brand new blood. And don’t tell me we need people who are career politicians because they understand politics.

Our founding fathers didn’t get their jobs because they had 20 years in the British Parlement.

371 alegrias  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 11:52:09am

re: #357 panamahat

This is the way to do it. Start at the local level — and the rest will follow.

* * *
Electing Mr. Pat Herrity (R) this tuesday Feb. 3 would also be a shocker to liberals because Fairfax County is where Obama’s liberals won him the state of Virginia.

Please tell anyone you know to vote this Tuesday in Fairfax County, VA.

372 avanti  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 11:52:12am

re: #325 jcm

But I do understand Iran.
They are slapping Obama around. To see what happens.
If Obama reacts forcefully and calls them, then the the official line will be it was a low level flunky speaking out of line.
If Obama doesn’t they know they can step forward and act more belligerently, they will continue to push to see where Obama’s line is.

No disagreement there. If Obama says “gee, I’m sorry, want more candy” they’ll push for more. If POTUS gets nasty, it’s under the bus for the government guy and the dance continues.

373 redc1c4  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 11:52:24am

re: #336 Shr_Nfr

Have you noticed the quality of the people working for him? Let us agree to differ and revisit this a couple years later.

better yet, lets agree that you haven’t a distant clue what you’re talking about. In fact, you couldn’t get a clue during the clue mating season if you stood in the middle of a field of horny clues, smeared your body with clue musk and did the clue mating dance.

Juggy’s picks are either demonstrated failures, or retreaded rejects who’s one unifying characteristic is a vaguely shadowed contempt for America as a world power and a hatred of individual freedom.

374 SpartanWoman  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 11:52:53am

re: #368 rightymouse

I agree that Obama is an opportunist, but his hard left ideologue buds do not STAY under the bus. There is a true socialist streak to that man and a citizen of the world idiot under all that opportunism.

375 Marvo76  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 11:53:23am

re: #368 rightymouse

Is Obama willing to look like a naive fool by 2012 and go down in history as a naive fool?
Uhm I don’t think with his mindset, he would even notice if people thought he was a foolk as long as his circle of core believers till spoon fed him platitudes….

376 jwb7605  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 11:53:33am

re: #360 alegrias

* * *
You’re wrong about Governor Palin and are omitting facts.

Palin’s no career politician.
She was a hockey mom and sportscaster with no political connections.
Palin took down her state’s corrupt politicians.

Palin’s Thatcher-like guts is the kind of courage it takes to change politics. And it helps to be attractive and tough as Palin is.

I’m not sure about the bolded part, I have heard (from “locals” there) that she figured out where to get Republican party support when she ran as mayor of Wasilla, and was successful beyond Wasilla’s imagination.

I also like Palin for the same reasons you point out, but I think it would be prudent to wait a couple of years to see how things flesh out. Michael Steele will have a lot of sway in how far she goes in the next couple of years.

Walter has admitted to having too much coffee this morning, so give him a break.

377 cincinnati_kid37  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 11:53:42am

re: #329 Walter L. Newton

And every fucking person that is working for him too? Sure, keep believing in unicorns.

The people working for him are crooks, interested in self-gratification. They’re going to play this country’s cash register like Stevie Ray used to play the axe.

378 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 11:54:02am

re: #367 alegrias

* * *
Like Pat Buchanan, always telling his “followers” to get out their pitchforks.

That worked so well. NOT.

thanks but no thanks

Hey jerk, I’m talking about my ability to put something in written form and make it accessible to the general reading public, you know, with out all the double talk.

That my style, a populist writing style. Are you actually comparing me to Buchanan?

379 SpartanWoman  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 11:54:16am

re: #370 Walter L. Newton

Bravo. I think Petraeus might be a good President/Leader.

380 avanti  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 11:54:24am

re: #330 ciaospirit

I think it changed its nic. Avanti?

I have no data on that question.

381 panamahat  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 11:54:38am

re: #371 alegrias

re: #371 alegrias

* * *
Electing Mr. Pat Herrity (R) this tuesday Feb. 3 would also be a shocker to liberals because Fairfax County is where Obama’s liberals won him the state of Virginia.

Please tell anyone you know to vote this Tuesday in Fairfax County, VA.


I’ve already sent my emails.

382 alegrias  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 11:55:12am

re: #354 jwb7605

He was my #2 guy just behind Fred!
Not a “dynamic” speaker, though. You had to research is background, which almost nobody will do (referring to “average voters”).

* * *
Ken Blackwell of Ohio was my first choice—he did heroic work for the Republican ticket in Nov. 2004, one man fighting the democrat cheating machine in Ohio, when all sorts of shenanigans went on.

Like Charles Johnson, Ken Blackwell had to point out some of the egregious things done FOR Kerry, by democrats stuffing ballots & slashing tires & cheating like they do since their ideas are all 1930s tired and lame schemes.

383 albusteve  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 11:55:24am

re: #370 Walter L. Newton

She started on city council in 1992. Gee, if I was in public service for the last 17 years, I certainly would call it a career.

Who are you trying to fool, or am I not nuanced enough.

I don’t want to deal with the career politicians. I went brand new blood. And don’t tell me we need people who are career politicians because they understand politics.

Our founding fathers didn’t get their jobs because they had 20 years in the British Parlement.

would you prefer Joe the Plumber or Duncan Hunter for president?

384 redc1c4  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 11:55:57am

re: #356 avanti

Walter, when you are right, I’ll admit it, and I did miss that important point and did just now google him. The insults directed toward me don’t enhance the discussion though. I’ll see what the response is from the administration is, but my optimism cup has been drained a bit.

lemme piss in it, and it’ll be overflowing again.

385 ciaospirit  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 11:56:14am

re: #380 avanti

I have no data on that question.

I’m asking you again. Are you justmyview using a new nic?

386 Moonbat Serenade  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 11:56:47am
Is Obama willing to look like a naive fool by 2012 and go down in history as a naive fool?


Seeing as how the guy was in office less than 2 weeks and was already worried about his “legacy”, I’d say megalomaniac is closer.

387 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 11:57:52am

re: #383 albusteve

would you prefer Joe the Plumber or Duncan Hunter for president?

Steve, I really don’t know Duncan. And in regards to Joe, I don’t know, he’s not running for anything yet. I’m not suggesting that you vote for, or support any tom, dick or hairy that comes along. But I am interested in brand new blood, out their campaigning, and I will listen and then make a decision.

If Joe was running for something, I would listen to hem and then I could tell you.

388 avanti  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 11:58:21am

re: #335 albusteve

I think the answer is somewhere in between…he knows exactly what he wants but is naive on how to acheive it…if that makes sense

You may be right, bridging any gap, be in right/left or US/Iran is like hearding cats. I was naive myself, I suspect he is too.

389 Scion9  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 11:58:40am

re: #365 Walter L. Newton

How long has she been in politics, starting with her first public office. Where has her personal source of income come from during that time?

I don’t think she is a career politician in the traditional sense of the term. That being someone that went straight from University into the military as an officer, or a low level bureaucratic post, directly to an elected office and has bounced around DC as a staffer, or lobbyist and made an actual career out of it. She is a political outsider on the Federal level, and has only been involved in Statewide politics for a relatively short time. She has no clout that an actual career politician does. Unfortunately I feel she is all too willing to be ‘in the loop’ to get ahead so it amounts to the same thing.

390 screaming_eagle  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 11:59:12am

re: #368 rightymouse

I understand what you’re saying, but I also perceive Obama as an opportunist who has shown that he is ready and willing to throw his original mentors under the bus for political expediency.

Is Obama willing to look like a naive fool by 2012 and go down in history as a naive fool?

Americans don’t do socialism and attacks on our soil/citizens well. Thank goodness.

And I generally agree with your statements. What I don’t agree with is what it would take to get him to make that kind of a change. I think we would be way down the “oh shit” road before he would reconsider.

391 rightymouse  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 11:59:41am

re: #331 redc1c4

no, he IS that stupid, and so are the chowder heads that voted for him. time has already told, and it can only get worse from here.

he’s not suddenly gonna grow a pair or a spine, let alone throw away the mindless twaddle that passes for his personal philosophy and world view. he’ll be the same whiny little shitbird he is now to his dying day.

I tend to think he is more arrogant than Carter ever could be & would hate to be put in a bad light by historians. Carter is just stupid and oblivious to the obvious. That said, Obama could be of the Oswald Mosley ilk who went to his grave still believing his crap even though history had proved him to be an intellectual jack-ass.

392 redc1c4  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 11:59:41am

re: #385 ciaospirit

I’m asking you again. Are you justmyview using a new nic?

the density level is similar

393 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 12:00:03pm

re: #377 cincinnati_kid37

The people working for him are crooks, interested in self-gratification. They’re going to play this country’s cash register like Stevie Ray used to play the axe.

Ok, got it.
/jerk

394 panamahat  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 12:00:17pm

re: #378 Walter L. Newton

Hey jerk, I’m talking about my ability to put something in written form and make it accessible to the general reading public, you know, with out all the double talk.

That my style, a populist writing style. Are you actually comparing me to Buchanan?

Walter, I think you need to put your balls where your mouth is.
And, by the way, most good writers have no need of throwing in the F-word at least 3 times per sentence. Caffeine notwithstanding.

395 nonic  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 12:00:33pm

People who assume that Obama is naive or delusional or confused or stupid are forgetting the distinct possibility that he knows exactly what he’s doing and wants to do exactly that —- to weaken the United States and the West in general so that global socialism can prevail.

396 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 12:01:02pm

re: #389 Scion9

I don’t think she is a career politician in the traditional sense of the term. That being someone that went straight from University into the military as an officer, or a low level bureaucratic post, directly to an elected office and has bounced around DC as a staffer, or lobbyist and made an actual career out of it. She is a political outsider on the Federal level, and has only been involved in Statewide politics for a relatively short time. She has no clout that an actual career politician does. Unfortunately I feel she is all too willing to be ‘in the loop’ to get ahead so it amounts to the same thing.

If you have spent the last 17 years in public service, holding public office, it’s a fucking career. I don’t care when she started.

397 jwb7605  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 12:01:12pm

re: #365 Walter L. Newton

How long has she been in politics, starting with her first public office. Where has her personal source of income come from during that time?

I believe her income for 2008 was a household total of $150,000.
The woman (and/or family) is not rich by most standards, especially Alaska.
I have no idea what the mayor job paid in Wasilla, but the governor job pays $125,000, according to the Wikipedia article about her.

In December 2008, an Alaska state commission recommended increasing the Governor’s annual salary from $125,000 to $150,000. Palin stated that she would not accept the pay raise.[81] In response, the commission dropped the recommendation.[82]

The reason it is that low is because her husband quit his job on the North Slope because of the “conflict of interest” thing.
It is interesting to note that she turned down the raise after the election.

398 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 12:01:53pm

re: #394 panamahat

Walter, I think you need to put your balls where your mouth is.
And, by the way, most good writers have no need of throwing in the F-word at least 3 times per sentence. Caffeine notwithstanding.

You didn’t answer my question? Are you comparing me to Buchanan. And I don’t care if you don’t like my language, don’t read my posts.

399 avanti  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 12:02:04pm

re: #346 rightymouse

You, sir, are a blithering idiot. Link to ONE ‘I love America’ or “we are willing to work with America’ comment/statement from Iran leaders in…oh…since the Shah was still around.

New rule for me. Any comment that includes a personal insult about a opinion will be ignored by me. That does not mean I agree, just that a real discussion is impossible.

400 screaming_eagle  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 12:02:10pm

re: #374 SpartanWoman

I agree that Obama is an opportunist, but his hard left ideologue buds do not STAY under the bus. There is a true socialist streak to that man and a citizen of the world idiot under all that opportunism.

BINGO
A couple speed bumps will not cause a policy change.

401 SpartanWoman  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 12:02:11pm

re: #395 nonic

He is a one-worlder type, he has made that very clear. Although he sees him and his as elites who will not be mired in the same dirt he’d toss at the rest of us.

402 jwb7605  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 12:02:23pm

re: #383 albusteve

would you prefer Joe the Plumber or Duncan Hunter for president?

I would bet money that Joe the Plumber would prefer Duncan Hunter.

403 Scion9  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 12:02:23pm

re: #396 Walter L. Newton

If you have spent the last 17 years in public service, holding public office, it’s a fucking career. I don’t care when she started.

By that definition every cop and fireman is a career ‘politician’.

404 kcladderman  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 12:02:27pm

re: #396 Walter L. Newton

If you have spent the last 17 years in public service, holding public office, it’s a fucking career. I don’t care when she started.

Fucking fucking fucking fucking fucking fucking fucking fucking fucking
You are being a little pissy today Walter.

405 kcladderman  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 12:03:16pm

re: #399 avanti

New rule for me. Any comment that includes a personal insult about a opinion will be ignored by me. That does not mean I agree, just that a real discussion is impossible.

If it is a rule for you,why are you telling us?

406 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 12:03:21pm

re: #397 jwb7605

The reason it is that low is because her husband quit his job on the North Slope because of the “conflict of interest” thing.
It is interesting to note that she turned down the raise after the election.

Did I make any comparisons to “rich?” No. I said, she has been in public service, holding a public office, for 17 years. I call that a career. period.

407 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 12:04:08pm

re: #403 Scion9

By that definition every cop and fireman is a career ‘politician’.

I said public office, that means elected, geeessshhh.

408 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 12:04:24pm

re: #399 avanti

New rule for me. Any comment that includes a personal insult about a opinion will be ignored by me. That does not mean I agree, just that a real discussion is impossible.

Promise?

409 kcladderman  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 12:04:29pm

re: #403 Scion9

By that definition every cop and fireman is a career ‘politician’.

Hey I am a career politician!

410 cincinnati_kid37  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 12:05:30pm

re: #393 Walter L. Newton

Ok, got it.
/jerk

I’ve found that people get awfully irrational and angry when they’re in fear of having their fantasies ripped away. The rest of us can deal with a myriad of opinion in stride.

411 alegrias  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 12:05:31pm

re: #398 Walter L. Newton

You didn’t answer my question? Are you comparing me to Buchanan. And I don’t care if you don’t like my language, don’t read my posts.

* * *
I don’t have to answer your foul mouthed questions.

You omitted facts about Governor Palin who actually DID stand up to Obama this past year, while you sit here & cuss on LGF.

Who’s more macho? I’d say Sarah Palin, not you, big wordsmith.

412 avanti  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 12:06:14pm

re: #385 ciaospirit

I’m asking you again. Are you justmyview using a new nic?

Now I understand the question, no I’m me.

413 jwb7605  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 12:06:15pm

re: #406 Walter L. Newton

Did I make any comparisons to “rich?” No. I said, she has been in public service, holding a public office, for 17 years. I call that a career. period.

No you didn’t.
I find it unusual for a politician (17 years, as you point out) to make that small amount of money.
The average is usually in the neighborhood of a quarter million once they do the “full disclosure” thing.
Except, of course, for Rod Blagojevich and the pols here in Colorado.

414 albusteve  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 12:06:45pm

re: #387 Walter L. Newton

Steve, I really don’t know Duncan. And in regards to Joe, I don’t know, he’s not running for anything yet. I’m not suggesting that you vote for, or support any tom, dick or hairy that comes along. But I am interested in brand new blood, out their campaigning, and I will listen and then make a decision.

If Joe was running for something, I would listen to hem and then I could tell you.

Hunter was the purest conservative out there…and he was a Representative which is something really appeals to me…of course no president ever comes from the House but these guys understand how it works…he retired but you could claim he was a career politician…that’s my point…and I get what your saying

415 panamahat  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 12:07:08pm

re: #398 Walter L. Newton

You didn’t answer my question? Are you comparing me to Buchanan. And I don’t care if you don’t like my language, don’t read my posts.


I believe someone else made that comparison, not me.

416 rightymouse  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 12:09:05pm

re: #375 Marvo76

Is Obama willing to look like a naive fool by 2012 and go down in history as a naive fool?
Uhm I don’t think with his mindset, he would even notice if people thought he was a foolk as long as his circle of core believers till spoon fed him platitudes….

Oh, there is likely an ‘Oh sh*t’ day coming up for him that even his sycophant advisors can’t sweep under the rug. And he won’t be able to either. I just pray that we don’t lose more innocent American lives in the process.

417 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 12:09:24pm

re: #411 alegrias

* * *
I don’t have to answer your foul mouthed questions.

You omitted facts about Governor Palin who actually DID stand up to Obama this past year, while you sit here & cuss on LGF.

Who’s more macho? I’d say Sarah Palin, not you, big wordsmith.

All I said at the start is I don’t want Sarah Palin running for national office. I don’t like her, she’s a career politician. You don’t become a nominee for VP unless you are entrenched in the party.

My concern (up thread) is that the parties on both sides have closed their doors to the people down here. They are not working for us, they are working for special interest, big money, and themselves.

I don’t want Palin, McCain, any of the career, entrench party hacks anymore.

Why is that so bothersome to you?

418 avanti  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 12:09:50pm

re: #405 kcladderman

If it is a rule for you,why are you telling us?

I’m naive, hoping a few might prefer the discussion to the insults.

419 Billy Hank  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 12:10:35pm

re: #284 BigPapa

I hope that is not as omniscient as it sounds.

420 albusteve  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 12:11:31pm

re: #402 jwb7605

I would bet money that Joe the Plumber would prefer Duncan Hunter.

Hunter was the real deal and I hope he comes back somewhere to help the GOP….not a very colorful, action figure kinda guy tho

421 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 12:13:17pm

re: #413 jwb7605

No you didn’t.
I find it unusual for a politician (17 years, as you point out) to make that small amount of money.
The average is usually in the neighborhood of a quarter million once they do the “full disclosure” thing.
Except, of course, for Rod Blagojevich and the pols here in Colorado.

Well, all I care about is the fact that she has been holding public office for 17 years, and for me, that’s a career. I would gladly take 150 thou a year and call it a career.

I don’t want any of the current crop of politicians. Period. It’s harsh, it may be impossible, but it’s has to happen or else the whole water is going to be continued to be poisoned by the hacks that are in there.

422 avanti  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 12:13:33pm

re: #408 Walter L. Newton

Promise?

Yes Walter, just start a reply to me with a personal insult and I’ll not engage you in a discussion.

423 Scion9  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 12:13:53pm

re: #407 Walter L. Newton

I said public office, that means elected, geeessshhh.

Public office is not synonymous with elections at all. Most ‘public offices’ are completely undemocratic appointees. Regardless, Sheriffs, Judges are often elected. A police sheriff under your definition is a ‘career politician’, in that he gets paid to do a job to which he was either elected or appointed to do on behalf of the public.

Regardless, the discussion is over semantics. A ‘career politician’ evokes a certain quality of political connectedness. An insider, with political clout. A Rumsfeld, or Cheney. It is a criticism, more than a simple statement of fact.

You can apply ‘career politician’ to a lot of people that have technically made a career out of public service rather that be elected or appointed office that don’t warrant the moniker, being that every politician in America is a career politician, as they all get paid for their service.

424 Billy Hank  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 12:13:55pm

re: #371 alegrias

Supposed to be snow. If you haven’t voted absentee, get tough and go out to vote. Bad weather supposedly depresses Dem turnout. They don’t like to get wet. They might melt.

425 unrealizedviewpoint  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 12:13:56pm

re: #395 nonic

People who assume that Obama is naive or delusional or confused or stupid are forgetting the distinct possibility that he knows exactly what he’s doing and wants to do exactly that —- to weaken the United States and the West in general so that global socialism can prevail.

But what of global Sharia?
/oh never mind

426 avanti  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 12:16:14pm

Foot statue gone.

427 big L  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 12:16:46pm

So the Prince/President is not universally loved, huh?
FRom Britain’s Telegraph— “It was [Iran’s] suprelme Leader’s special representative though who put it most graphically and with evident disgust: “Obama is the hand of Satan in a new sleeve” explained Hossein Sharianadari,
“the great satan now has a black face.”

thanks Obama for apologizing to Iran and the other despots of your country the USA. A great job for a week and a half.Not. Iran thinks you are a fool.

428 albusteve  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 12:17:06pm

re: #426 avanti

Foot statue gone.

foot loose

429 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 12:17:44pm

re: #423 Scion9

Public office is not synonymous with elections at all. Most ‘public offices’ are completely undemocratic appointees. Regardless, Sheriffs, Judges are often elected. A police sheriff under your definition is a ‘career politician’, in that he gets paid to do a job to which he was either elected or appointed to do on behalf of the public.

Regardless, the discussion is over semantics. A ‘career politician’ evokes a certain quality of political connectedness. An insider, with political clout. A Rumsfeld, or Cheney. It is a criticism, more than a simple statement of fact.

You can apply ‘career politician’ to a lot of people that have technically made a career out of public service rather that be elected or appointed office that don’t warrant the moniker, being that every politician in America is a career politician, as they all get paid for their service.

Ok, I understand how you are looking at it, and my choice of words may have been a little broad.

Ok, I don’t want any old blood period. If we have to throw the baby out with the bath water, some good people, for me, it’s going to have to happen. I don’t trust them anymore.

I want new, grass roots candidates, if the system, the party doesn’t like them, then all the better.

This really is a moot point in a lot of ways for me, since I really think is is broken, and there is not way to change it.

It’s going to become something new, something not good for us, but I don’t really think it will be fixed.

If you have faith in any of the current politicians we have out there, current at a local or national level, then I respect your faith, but it is not mine.

430 yma o hyd  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 12:18:23pm

re: #399 avanti

Bit precious, innit.

Get over yerself, mun.

431 akak  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 12:18:58pm

re: #428 albusteve

foot loose

so grateful aren’t they!

432 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 12:19:04pm

re: #430 yma o hyd

Bit precious, innit.

Get over yerself, mun.

Ding Ding Ding…

433 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 12:19:21pm

BBIAW

434 redc1c4  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 12:20:52pm

re: #399 avanti

New rule for me. Any comment that includes a personal insult about a opinion will be ignored by me. That does not mean I agree, just that a real discussion is impossible.

every one of your posts is an insult to any thinking person with an honest worldview, so the feeling is mutual, you adelpated twit.

435 yma o hyd  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 12:21:18pm

Going —-> upstairs!

436 redc1c4  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 12:22:02pm

re: #406 Walter L. Newton

Did I make any comparisons to “rich?” No. I said, she has been in public service, holding a public office, for 17 years. I call that a career. period.

why does she scare you Walter?

i know the Left is afraid of a w*rking Mom like her, but what’s your beef?

437 pink freud  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 12:22:42pm

re: #427 big L

So the Prince/President is not universally loved, huh?
FRom Britain’s Telegraph— “It was [Iran’s] suprelme Leader’s special representative though who put it most graphically and with evident disgust: “Obama is the hand of Satan in a new sleeve” explained Hossein Sharianadari,
“the great satan now has a black face.”

thanks Obama for apologizing to Iran and the other despots of your country the USA. A great job for a week and a half.Not. Iran thinks you are a fool.

AVANTI: from your #299 “I agreed that it is not a good sign, but it’s very early to know what the official Iranian position is.”

Clear. distinct. Unequivocal.

438 rightymouse  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 12:23:33pm

re: #359 Walter L. Newton

Avanti is that and much more… I will quote Mike Rosen, our local conservative talk show host in Denver, who has been on the radio in Denver for probably 30 years.

“Don’t tell me you are a moderate. Moderate is an adjective. It is a qualifier. You may be a moderate conservative, a moderate democrat, or a moderate drinker but it doesn’t tell me what you believe in. It’s not a philosophy. Unless all you believe in is moderation for the sake of moderation. Grow up! You can’t be a good egg all of your life. Someday you have to either hatch or rot.”

Same thing with ‘undecided’ voters once they are in oh…their 40’s or so when an election occurs? How can anyone not know what they think by then?

I told my 14 year old autistic son that he’ll be voting with me in 2012 for his first time. We had a chat recently about Obama (his school is full of Obamatons). I told him about Obama’s campaign lecture about how we should lower the thermostat, eat less, etc. but that now that he’s President, he’s got his thermostat way up in the White House. My son was confused and said, “well, he’s President, so that’s ok, right?” My reply was “You never tell someone else to do something that you are not willing to do yourself, whether you are the President or not”.

Not sure what that had to do with anything but thought I’d share. lol!

439 Dr. Shalit  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 12:24:02pm

re: #370 Walter L. Newton

Walter L. Newton -

Have to respectfully disagree with you to an extent. Our Founding Fathers, as you rightly pointed out, did not have UK Parliamentary Experience. Many however did have experience in Colonial Legislatures.
Political Careerists who have never worked outside of Government DO trouble me more than those who have had to earn a private paycheck or meet a private payroll at some time in their lives. Such a background does tend to produce a sense of unreality.
That said, Gov. Palin represents a balance of experience in both the public and private sectors, as does Former Gov. Romney. Such a combination does not insure good policy - I live in NJ and the names Corzine and Lautenberg come to mind - it does however, in my mind make it more likely.

-S-

440 jwb7605  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 12:25:16pm

re: #429 Walter L. Newton

Ok, I understand how you are looking at it, and my choice of words may have been a little broad.

Ok, I don’t want any old blood period. If we have to throw the baby out with the bath water, some good people, for me, it’s going to have to happen. I don’t trust them anymore.

I want new, grass roots candidates, if the system, the party doesn’t like them, then all the better.

This really is a moot point in a lot of ways for me, since I really think is is broken, and there is not way to change it.

It’s going to become something new, something not good for us, but I don’t really think it will be fixed.

If you have faith in any of the current politicians we have out there, current at a local or national level, then I respect your faith, but it is not mine.


I think all new candidates is an attractive notion.
I also think it is tilting at windmills.
Next time Karradine is on, get her to explain her viewpoint of the perfect election. You would find it entertaining and scary.
Your viewpoint, though, makes it inevitable if she explains what I think she would.

441 akak  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 12:27:55pm
The missile fired from Gaza out to the Mediterranean last week was not a Qassam as reported but a C-802, the Iranian shore-to-ship Nur C-802 missile, which is based on the Chinese “Silkworm.”

It was launched by Iranian officers who are training Hamas operatives in its use before delivering a large consignment. With its 120-km range and 165-kilo warhead, the C-802’s mission is to break Israel’s 40 km blockade of Gaza’s waters. This is now the key objective of Tehran and the Palestinian Islamists.

letters, he’s sending letters?

442 rightymouse  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 12:29:27pm

re: #399 avanti

New rule for me. Any comment that includes a personal insult about a opinion will be ignored by me. That does not mean I agree, just that a real discussion is impossible.


Try not being a blithering idiot and actually contribute a rational opinion to the discussion.

Thanks.

443 Scion9  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 12:30:02pm

re: #429 Walter L. Newton

No, I am also not optimistic that there is a plausible democratic solution for the country; and no I don’t know enough about any politicians in the establishment that I could qualify them as totally trustworthy.

If metaphorically dragging them all down to the town square for a date with the national razor were an option I would pursue it, but I think the only way of getting the ‘old blood’ out of the system would be in a not so metaphorical bloodletting, which historically has been even worse news than a chronically corrupt aristocracy as we have now.

444 akak  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 12:34:16pm
In the latest setback, a “Dear Colleague” letter sent out to every House member warns lawmakers and their staffs to “think twice” about meeting with CAIR officials.

“The FBI has cut ties with them,” the letter says. “There are indications” CAIR has links to Hamas, the Palestinian terrorist group.

Hate to agree with Walter but if they are this stupid he might be right.

445 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 12:34:36pm

re: #436 redc1c4

why does she scare you Walter?

i know the Left is afraid of a w*rking Mom like her, but what’s your beef?

I never said I was scared of her. I posted this above, it answers your question too.

Ok, I don’t want any old blood period. If we have to throw the baby out with the bath water, some good people, for me, it’s going to have to happen. I don’t trust them anymore.

I want new, grass roots candidates, if the system, the party doesn’t like them, then all the better.

This really is a moot point in a lot of ways for me, since I really think is is broken, and there is not way to change it.

It’s going to become something new, something not good for us, but I don’t really think it will be fixed.

If you have faith in any of the current politicians we have out there, current at a local or national level, then I respect your faith, but it is not mine.

446 Trialdog  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 12:38:45pm

The Iranian spokesman is simply adopting Obama style rhetoric about the U.S. then demanding we change. Can we surrender now?

447 rightymouse  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 12:42:19pm

re: #440 jwb7605


If you are referring to poster ‘Karradine’ - he’s not a she, IIRC.

448 sifty  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 12:43:19pm

Barring a secret son or daughter of Ronald Reagan and Maggie Thatcher, I think we need folks like FRED! and Sarah in 2012. I wouldn’t hire a pitcher that had never held a baseball, or a carpenter that had never built a shed.
Sarah seems to be everything in a conservative woman that we have been saying was possible all these years.

And FRED! is just fookin awesome.

What with the friggin’ Mayans and whatnot predicting End Times and all.

Mayans. Couldn’t even leave a note saying where they were going and we’re supposed to believe them about the bleedin’ apocalypse.

Bloody Mayans.

449 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 12:44:22pm

re: #443 Scion9

No, I am also not optimistic that there is a plausible democratic solution for the country; and no I don’t know enough about any politicians in the establishment that I could qualify them as totally trustworthy.

If metaphorically dragging them all down to the town square for a date with the national razor were an option I would pursue it, but I think the only way of getting the ‘old blood’ out of the system would be in a not so metaphorical bloodletting, which historically has been even worse news than a chronically corrupt aristocracy as we have now.

I am not proposing that, but, your comments mirror the level of frustration I think that is out there.

And that’s why I think it is broke and can’t be fixed. My rants and comments are meant to my idealistic solution, but my realistic eye tell me it’s all for naught.

With in 8 years, I suspect we are going to have a new type of politics in this country. It is going to be something akin to Democratic Socialism, like much of Europe.

This is going to be due to many more factors than just factors that we have any control over. The economy has become global, and out little local elections are not going to have an effect on what business needs on a global level.

They will get what they want. A monetary unit based on the world, a international currency. Governments that make decisions not based on what’s good for the country, but what is good for world business. Citizens that consider the global health before they consider their own health.

It’s all in place, you can see it every day, it’s not hidden, it’s not mysterious and it’s not going away.

The most you can do to try to protect yourself from it is not to fall into the trap of thinking that you can change it. That is a “make busy” effort that the parties want you to work on, keep you little mind occupied while they go about positioning themselves as they need to be.

Take it into the homestead, protect yourself, you are the only one that counts.

450 sifty  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 12:45:18pm

re: #446 Trialdog

Yeah. Let’s surrender now before Obama does. Then we can start the Resistance and kick some ass!

451 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 12:46:07pm

re: #448 sifty

Barring a secret son or daughter of Ronald Reagan and Maggie Thatcher, I think we need folks like FRED! and Sarah in 2012. I wouldn’t hire a pitcher that had never held a baseball, or a carpenter that had never built a shed.
Sarah seems to be everything in a conservative woman that we have been saying was possible all these years.

And FRED! is just fookin awesome.

What with the friggin’ Mayans and whatnot predicting End Times and all.

Mayans. Couldn’t even leave a note saying where they were going and we’re supposed to believe them about the bleedin’ apocalypse.

Bloody Mayans.

Gee, we put our faith in a lot of people 225 years or so ago that never started a country before.

452 rightymouse  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 12:46:54pm

Not going to get sucked into the Palin bashing commentary except to say to those who dislike her - she has more combined executive experience than McCain, Obama and Biden. Live with it.

453 sifty  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 12:47:26pm

re: #451 Walter L. Newton

I am pretty sure they were sent to the Continental Congress because they had some experience in getting government-type-things done.

454 jwb7605  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 12:48:18pm

re: #447 rightymouse

If you are referring to poster ‘Karradine’ - he’s not a she, IIRC.

I made a SWAG from the avatar.

455 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 12:48:19pm

re: #452 rightymouse

Not going to get sucked into the Palin bashing commentary except to say to those who dislike her - she has more combined executive experience than McCain, Obama and Biden. Live with it.

I agree 100 percent with you. And I don’t want those 17 years of her being part of the current system. Spot on.

456 rightymouse  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 12:49:43pm

re: #454 jwb7605

I made a SWAG from the avatar.

A what? lol!

457 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 12:50:03pm

re: #453 sifty

I am pretty sure they were sent to the Continental Congress because they had some experience in getting government-type-things done.

I think you understand my point. It was a new venture, they had to put their minds to it, work it out, they did not have a certain model to follow, but they did it.

I want fresh blood. I want people who will learn how to fix this country. The old ideas and the old crew have gone on strike.

I want strike busters.

458 LC HOGHEAD  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 12:50:32pm

re: #448 sifty
IMHO FRED! is/will be too old in 2012, plus he had NO fire in the belly for the job in 08. Hes not a gamechanger.

459 jwb7605  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 12:50:33pm

re: #456 rightymouse

A what? lol!

Scientific Wild Ass Guess.
I make them all the time, with the usual amount of success.

460 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 12:51:03pm

Out of here, got to get to work at the theatre, put on a show and all that Mickey Rooney stuff. Be back after 10 mountain.

Avanti, that’s a warning, case you want to avoid me some more.

461 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 12:51:27pm

re: #459 jwb7605

Scientific Wild Ass Guess.
I make them all the time, with the usual amount of success.

See you on the Nightside.

462 Ayatollah Ghilmeini  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 12:51:42pm

What bothers me is people look at the statement and don’t really get what it means. Ahmadinejad says the the Holocaust did not happen. Therefore Israel has no right to exist. He frames his comments about Israel in language that is no different than the words used by Hitler and the Nazis. Israel is “filthy,” control the banks and the press, and since the Holocaust did not happen, Israel’s use of genocide and ethnic cleansing justifies ANY measure by Muslims.

Historical truth did not stop Hitler, it won’t stop this guy either.

People use words for a reason, when I say I am going out it means I am going out not please turn up the radio. He is building as high a rhetorical wall as he can for himself. His only interest in negotiating with the US is to run out the clock to get the bomb. The goal is the bomb. The goal is to be the first nuclear armed terror state. The ultimate goal is the destruction of the US and Israel.

Ahmadinejad knows what I know- the new President is a putz for reaching out to him. The only language Iran understands is brute force. You don’t treat them like equals you treat them like scum. You tell them, termninate your nuke program or we do it for you. First we are going to blockade your ports then we will bomb. No choice, dismantle or blockade. If we have to bomb, we will destroy your regime.

The Ayatollahs have power and they want more of it.

Unless they are stopped, millions of people are going to die.

463 jwb7605  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 12:52:23pm

re: #458 LC HOGHEAD

IMHO FRED! is/will be too old in 2012, plus he had NO fire in the belly for the job in 08. Hes not a gamechanger.

Reluctantly agree.
He was essentially “drafted” this time.
What would be your thoughts on press spokesman assuming a Republican victory?

464 rightymouse  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 12:52:54pm

re: #455 Walter L. Newton

I agree 100 percent with you. And I don’t want those 17 years of her being part of the current system. Spot on.

She hasn’t been jaded by Washington politics or nasty politics like those in Chicago. I lived in the NVA area. It stinks. Basically, it’s ‘who you know, and who you blow’. Chicago is worse. Seriously.

So, we’ll disagree, but I like Sarah Palin and what she stands for and hopefully what she can do to help get the GOP back on track.

465 Sifty  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 12:53:46pm

re: #458 LC HOGHEAD

I know. He blew his chance. Best we can hope for is SecDef or State.

I’m sure everyone at the RNC told him it was McCain’s turn, just like they told us.

I miss the FRED! from the Ruby Ridge hearings when he almost got up and slapped a dumbass.

466 rightymouse  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 12:53:59pm

re: #459 jwb7605

Scientific Wild Ass Guess.
I make them all the time, with the usual amount of success.

Ohhhhh! lol!

He lives in Thailand, IIRC, and is married to a Thai lass.

467 jwb7605  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 12:57:10pm

I think I’m glad Walter had to leave.
The “Congress gives itself a raise” topic would have killed him.

468 panamahat  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 1:01:51pm

re: #449 Walter L. Newton

And that’s why I think it is broke and can’t be fixed. My rants and comments are meant to my idealistic solution, but my realistic eye tell me it’s all for naught… .

The most you can do to try to protect yourself from it is not to fall into the trap of thinking that you can change it. That is a “make busy” effort that the parties want you to work on, keep you little mind occupied while they go about positioning themselves as they need to be.

(emphasis added)
——————————————————
Respectfully and vigorously have to disagree with you. Would the founders have said this? They faced much greater odds than we do. I HATE hearing anyone advocate giving up. It’s not fair to all the sacrifices of those before us — as well as our contemporaries — not to mention future generations. I WILL not stand by and watch this country be abandoned.

469 Sifty  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 1:07:50pm

re: #467 jwb7605

stroke-out on aisle 2…stroke-out on aisle 2…

470 Lynn B.  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 1:08:56pm

re: #299 avanti

Remember this exchange from the Al-Arabiya thread?

re: #110 avanti

This tread shows the divide between the left and the right. The network he chose to speak is more moderate then Al Jazeera that Bush staffers gave interviews on. It is far from moderate by western standards but the best available if the new administration wants to show a new face to the moderate Arabs.

I watched Obama condemn the terrorists and offer a more positive alternative to return to a pre terrorist dialog with the Muslim’s. We may disagree with the chances of success, but I don’t see the downside of condemning the radicals, and trying to build a bridge to the moderates. If he tones down the hated by even a few points it’s worth the effort.

I’ll wait to see the reaction to the interview in the Arab world to see.

[Lynn B:] The point is, this kind of pandering always has the effect of undermining the moderates. It betrays, yet again, Obama’s ignorance (at best) of the dynamics of power in the Middle East. The Arab street does not take the same meaning from things that Western intellectuals do, nor do those in power. They see the appearance of a powerful Western leader making such statements on Arabic TV as a kind of obeisance, an acknowledgment of weakness and a plea for mercy. The message that sends to the true moderates is: we recognize that you’re not in control and you can’t count on us to stand up for you in a crunch.

It’s part and parcel of the myopia and hypocritical hubris of the left that while pretending to be so “tolerant” and “understanding” of cultures they really don’t even understand, they always assume that underneath it all, they’re “just like us.”

It simply ain’t so.

You’re always waiting for one more reaction or confirmation or condemnation, but the ones you’re waiting for never come so you just start waiting for another one. I wasn’t just guessing or speculating when I said that Obama’s genuflection at the feet of America’s enemies would be interpreted as weakness. It’s something you can take to the bank. Every time.

No matter how long you wait, that’s not going to change. Sorry. I wish it wasn’t so.

/and if you continue to see the glass half full when there’s only a microscopic drop in the bottom of it, you may have a problem …

471 Maui Girl  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 1:29:31pm

I don’t believe that Obama will do anything of significance FOR this country. I believe that his goal was merely to BECOME the President of the United States. He wasn’t really looking much further beyond that point. His decisions on everything so far are influenced and dictated by poor advisors because he certainly DOES not have his own experience or knowledge to draw from. It’s like he goes “eenee, meenee, minee, moe, when he makes a choice. It’s this method of decision-making and his narrow and ficticious view of a perfect world that will harm this country. And as many posters before me have stated, this makes him very dangerous indeed.
/done venting for now

472 Ziggy  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 2:53:05pm

re: #471 Maui Girl

I don’t believe that Obama will do anything of significance FOR this country. I believe that his goal was merely to BECOME the President of the United States. He wasn’t really looking much further beyond that point. His decisions on everything so far are influenced and dictated by poor advisors because he certainly DOES not have his own experience or knowledge to draw from. It’s like he goes “eenee, meenee, minee, moe, when he makes a choice. It’s this method of decision-making and his narrow and ficticious view of a perfect world that will harm this country. And as many posters before me have stated, this makes him very dangerous indeed.
/done venting for now

Well Said. I couldn’t agree more. His hubris is screwing us all for generations.

473 big L  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 2:54:33pm

It is kind of like Kukla, Fran, and Ollie, the battling marionettes from Fifties TV fame. All that isneeded is to give Axelrod, Obie and Michelle-ma belle stuffed bats to hit each other on the head. Bonk! Bonk!. And who might be the Puppetmaster behind the scenes? and the Ventriloquist? I just think Obie is given a list to check off.
He really has no knowlege of anything…and no intellectual curiosity.Not great attributes in the Oval Office.
p.s. read that description of Daschle on michellemalkin.com
Really something. These are the people that Obama knows and likes.

474 big L  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 2:56:33pm

Rather than giving up, we might consider fighting back…

475 _RememberTonyC  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 3:00:04pm

I have always believed that one of the fringe benefits of our military engagement in Iraq and Afghanistan was that it allowed us to deploy special forces into iran in order to be in position to help the opposition in iran. I just pray that Obama, in his zeal to disengage from Iraq does nothing to inhibit the work I know our special forces HAVE to be doing inside iran. Maybe these insults being hurled his way from dinnerjackass will motivate Obama to keep our covert activities in iran as a priority.

476 SpartanWoman  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 3:06:17pm

re: #462 Ayatollah Ghilmeini

I think Obama will be joining the condemn Israel chorus very soon and would not lift a finger to prevent its destruction. Might even help Iran

477 Gunny Highway  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 3:20:49pm

How naive is this guy?

Did he really think that Iran would actually sit down and talk with him. This guy really is delusional to think that his cult of personality will change decades of hate.

Frankly, I am surprised that anyone would want ANY type of relations with this back asswards country. They offer absolutely nothing to modern civilization because they are stuck in the dark ages.

478 jcbunga  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 3:29:40pm

While I hate to judge before all the facts are in, it appears the Dinnerjacket pwned The One./

479 Morganfrost  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 4:12:34pm

I hope Obama can tell the difference between unclenching your fist and extending your middle finger.

480 tommy  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 4:28:17pm

Slightly off topic, but then again maybe not — I have plenty of .223. What I need is .30 Carbine ammo. Any recommendations as to manufacturer, supplier. I know about Wolf, the Russian stuff, but it is so dirty.

Thanks.

481 kansas  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 4:42:51pm

re: #17 BryanS

I was just reading that link on Drudge about one minute ago. Already Obama’s mushy policy of engaging tyrants has born fruit—for our enemies.

Doesn’t Obama understand that in the Middle East, strength and the perception of strength is all that is respected politically?

Yes he does.

482 kansas  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 4:43:34pm

re: #479 Morganfrost

I hope Obama can tell the difference between unclenching your fist and extending your middle finger.

He can. Can you? Do you see his middle finger up at the USA? I do.

483 AceR  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 4:44:29pm

What almost makes me sick is that Obama has NEVER run anything EVER in his whole life…maybe managed some projects in the ChiTown projects, but he NEVER had to make the really hard decisions that executives have to make.

He must have thought to himself once or twice during the campaign and after the inauguration “Crap, what have I gotten myself into?!”

Yeah, Mr. Obama, 1st black (and half white) president. Historic that you were the first, but how has your race prepared you to run this huge country of ours? What economic experience do you have? What military experience do you have? What foreign policy experience do you have?

All he knows is social engineering, Chicago-style, courtesy of the likes of Ayers and Rezco.

Now he is Commander in Chief of the largest and greatest country in the world. He doesn’t have all the answers, but the folks who controlled his purse-strings to get him elected sure have lots of answers. We know where they stand…Soros and his minions, Ayers, Rezco, the net root loonies, Chicago politicians, the whole rotten batch of them.

Obama is charged with keeping our nation secure and free from attack. Do you feel more secure today than on Jan. 19th? I sure don’t. It isn’t a game anymore. It isn’t the campaign where the enemy was Sarah Palin and John McCain. Iran is for real, and they play hardball (and not the Chris Matthews kind of hardball, with shivers running up his leg).

Ahmadinijad is just one dictator of many…Putin, Kim Jung Il, Chavez. Now, they play hardball.

The presidency isn’t an experiment, where you can throw a bunch of stuff on the walls and see if any of it sticks. Or try a bunch of things to see if any of it works.

I am sick at heart about the direction my country is headed in an Obama administration. I, for one, will do my damn best to thwart this uber left wing, socialist agenda and feel good liberalism that has corrupted the minds of our young people.

I will campaign against candidates who support him. I will write letters to my congressman, senator, and yes, even the White House. I will not be silent during these next 4 years. How about you?

484 Miss Molly  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 5:24:09pm

AceR — you state so well the fears of so many. All Barry has ever done is run a few projects in Chicago and look how those turned out!

485 Shr_Nfr  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 6:32:09pm

re: #6 MJ

Actually, the quote is that the prince should ideally be both, but if he is to be either one or the other, it is better to be feared than loved.

486 petefreans  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 8:10:48pm

Folks in that region of the world respect only one thing: power. So here comes this wimp extending an olive branch, and they promptly “cut” his hand off. While I am no apologist for the current Iranian regime, what breathtaking arrogance this boy scout displayed thinking that his note would resolve thirty years of conflict between these nations. If this is how the administration begins its foray into international relations, then the economy may not be the ultimate concern for our country after all.

487 groucho44  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 8:24:42pm

AceR, The only thing I think you forgot was money. Obama, etc. has raised a whole lot of it and I think if we are going to combat the stampede over the cliff of “Progressivism” (fka liberalism), we’re going to have to get ordinary people like you and me to financially support their candidate that stands for a strong America.

488 Macaroon  Sun, Feb 1, 2009 1:34:05am

re: #262 itellu3times

Iran possesses the ability to hit Israel directly with a nuclear warhead without having to “haul it by camelback to Israel”.

Here’s the link: reuters.com

They are dead serious about it.

489 Macaroon  Sun, Feb 1, 2009 1:43:33am

re: #292 Jimmah

Just a thought - perhaps Obama knows how unlikely diplomacy will be in this case but is going through the charade as part of a process which is designed to convince his supporters what a dangerous asshole Ahmedinejad actually is. One possible result being that when force is used it will only be after having demonstrably exhausted other ‘possibilities’, (change?) and only after the ‘obamamedia’ is used to the idea of presenting Ahmedinejad as a man with whom dialogue really is useless.

Here’s hoping.

I agree with the people who note the narcissistic nature of our current POTUS. BHO strikes me as someone who has a really bad temper — frankly a quality I LIKE in a president. The tendency to play “Chicago politics” has also been well documented. In teh spirit of Hope & Change, I’m hoping the bitch slap from the Dinnerjacket will piss off BHO, who will then do something sensible — like destroy Iran’s nuclear infrastructure.

I can dream can’t I?

490 Jimmah  Sun, Feb 1, 2009 7:40:11am

Disappointed Republicans today announced the start of a four year “virtual bitch-in” in response to Obama’s election. “Sitting in front of our computers for four years bitching about everything he does and everything that people say about him may not be the whole answer, but it’s about all we can think of at the moment” said spokesperson Robert Nadir.

“With the republicans currently in such a hopeless, directionless mess, making predictions of impending Obama-doom and spinning every event in the most negative way possible is the only thing that’s keeping us going.” he continued. “Frankly, it’s either that or take our own lives.”

Lifelong republican Susan Trough thinks the right shouldn’t be limited to her colleagues’ virtual solution. “It’s not all about packing out online discussion forums and wallowing in a swill of our own collective bile. We also encourage our members to get out there and indulge in armageddon like fantasies. Collecting guns and ammo is for these people a healthy outlet for their frustrations, and makes them feel like they’re really doing something constructive for the future.”

Other republicans are getting creative with the application of satire. One such - John Downer, who runs a print shop in Lynchburg VA, has come up with the idea of printing Obama’s face on the inside bottom of coffee mugs. “A lot of my republican customers, like myself, have been experiencing feelings of powerlessness since Obama took office, and needed something to help them to feel politically relevant again. Now, with my range of Obama coffee mugs, every time you pour yourself a hot drink, it’s like you are pouring boiling water directly onto his face. Between that and the caffeine it’s a real pick-me-up.”

Finally, and perhaps most radical of all, some forward thinking republicans are considering having another go with Sarah Palin at the next Election, this time as Presidential candidate. “I think we’ll see her mature and be able to handle simple questions without making everyone present bite their knuckles in shame by the time the next campaign begins. This is what we call fresh thinking.” says David Newlow.

491 Flavia  Sun, Feb 1, 2009 10:34:59am

I still say he’s slicker than any willie out there, & now he will be able to say loudly, “Well, we tried!” How many times has he changed what he’s said, or tried to change what he’s done in order to appeal to the most voters? This is just another part of that.


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