PJ Media Ad Network Closing

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You’ve probably heard by now that Pajamas Media is shutting down their advertising network, for a simple reason: it’s losing money. Roger Simon explains that the company is now planning to focus on the PJTV side of the business.

There’s a lot of reaction to this announcement among bloggers in the network, of course. Speaking for LGF, I didn’t start this website to make money. Although I’m disappointed that the ad network hasn’t taken off the way Roger and I hoped when we started PJ Media, I’ve always viewed the advertising as a sort of bonus—not sought, but appreciated. Its loss won’t affect what we do here, except that we’ll be getting a little more creative about how we pay the bills.

TigerHawk makes an excellent point about the short-sightedness of companies who allow the easy (and deceptive) metrics of online ads to drive their decisions:

I am told that web site banner advertising suffers, in a sense, from too much transparency. Media buyers know what they pay “per click through” and per dollar of directly attributable revenue, and therefore tend to value banner advertising according to these concrete metrics. Ironically, that puts internet banner advertising at a great disadvantage to print and broadcast advertising, the value of both of which are much more difficult to measure. Corporate budgeteers can measure a superficially accurate rate of return for internet banner ads but cannot for television, so if the former is too low they kill it before they ax the thing they cannot measure. There is an obvious problem with this thinking — the banner ads get no credit for “building the brand” through impressions, which is in principle one of their great benefits — but nobody ever said that corporate bean-counting cannot drive stupid thinking.

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257 comments
1 stuiec  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 11:14:45am

As the transparency of online media starts to be incorporated into mass media (as through digital delivery of TV and radio programming), it calls into question the entire model of giving away entertainment "for free" by expecting advertisers to throw money into TV and radio spots.

The future of TV, especially scripted dramas and comedies, is very much in flux.

2 lifeofthemind  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 11:15:23am

I am confused. Simon says the portal will remain as is so what is changing? Does this mean some bloggers are leaving PJM?

3 Sharmuta  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 11:15:29am

When I first saw the headline, I thought it meant PJTV. Glad that's not the case.

4 Charles Johnson  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 11:16:57am

re: #2 lifeofthemind

I am confused. Simon says the portal will remain as is so what is changing? Does this mean some bloggers are leaving PJM?

PJ Media is the supplier of advertisements for LGF and other blogs. The ad network is what is closing down.

5 gmsc  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 11:17:33am

OT: Boy, zombie gets everywhere!

/white smoke

6 [deleted]  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 11:17:47am
7 itellu3times  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 11:18:54am

I'm curious, how can it actually *lose* money, isn't the overhead to present it just about zero? I guess the revenues must be even closer to zero. Dang. But then, I remain mystified how Google makes it pay for them, my clickthru on anything Google isn't the answer, neither do I do my part in building those huge casinos in Vegas.

8 Killgore Trout  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 11:19:15am

jwb7605 Linked to this earlier....
Was That An Asteroid?

In short, my premise goes like this: Classical Liberalism/Conservatism faces disenfranchisement for many reasons (and the late Conservative movement is honored in wakes all over the country to this day, not to mention how out of touch the Republicans have become) not least of which the enormous dumbing down of common sense. Sounds counterintuitive but taking into account PJM’s meandering and sloth, Insty’s general apathy to anything substantive, and NRO’s isolation from the mainstream (not their fault; they’re a fine operation) we’re fragmented. Moreover, we’re w/o platform — as a movement, we don’t even know what we think.

My proposal: Engage the elements of (1) needing to develop a formative program, (2) needing an actual, stated political platform, or at least a place to hammer stuff to the wall, debate it, and have it stick (3) the tremendous power of the electronic broadsheet, (4) free stuff that serves the above, and (5) the many and wonderful minds that have been known to populate the PW phenomenon.

From there, I’d be willing to publish and a host a Classical Liberal Wiki

I don't see how that's going to help blog revenue but it sounds like an interesting project.

9 itellu3times  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 11:19:34am

re: #7 itellu3times

Oh, well, they probably have a couple of staff, that don't come free.

10 jwb7605  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 11:19:35am

re: #4 Charles

PJ Media is the supplier of advertisements for LGF and other blogs. The ad network is what is closing down.

I'd like your opinion of Dan Collin's post (Protein Wisdom)
Sounds nice to me, which is easy to say since I have no clue about the ins and outs of the blogging art.

11 jcm  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 11:19:39am

re: #5 gmsc

OT: Boy, zombie gets everywhere!

/white smoke

ROFL!......

12 Randall Gross  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 11:20:12am

It was a good try, but there are monsters out there to contend with (google, etc.) This is a temp. lull, as the economy gains speed, so too will internet ads once again.

It's a failing of advertisers to recognize demographics, there's certainly money to be made in the right wing blogosphere.

13 Killgore Trout  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 11:21:23am

re: #10 jwb7605

I think it's a great idea, I'd love to see a revival of Classical Liberalism. I don't think it solves the mony problem though.

14 Randall Gross  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 11:22:05am

One other note: This means that Charles ad rev. is down until he plugs in a replacement, it wouldn't hurt to help your favorite site by hitting the tip jar.

15 Sharmuta  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 11:22:05am

re: #5 gmsc

Last night, I saw was a road sign like that except it said "DWI Arrest Zone".

I can't figure out the logic in that- are there DWI non-arrest zones? And why warn drivers if it's more important to catch them?

16 Killgore Trout  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 11:22:59am

re: #12 Thanos

I really can't imagine their focus on PJTV is going to work out.

17 BryanS  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 11:24:31am

re: #7 itellu3times

I'm curious, how can it actually *lose* money, isn't the overhead to present it just about zero? I guess the revenues must be even closer to zero. Dang. But then, I remain mystified how Google makes it pay for them, my clickthru on anything Google isn't the answer, neither do I do my part in building those huge casinos in Vegas.

I thought the same thing. Looks like they were paying a higher amount of ad money to bloggers hoping the ad money would come along.

They could just pay what little--if any--money does come in based on actual income rather than what they decided the market required for payout to bloggers. Though maybe they are barely covering their costs.

18 wrenchwench  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 11:24:55am
we’ll be getting a little more creative about how we pay the bills

Keep an Amazon link on the front page....

19 lifeofthemind  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 11:24:56am

I thought that there were several companies distributing the click ads. I know little about this. The middle man measures the number of clicks, bills the advertiser and writes a check to the blogger, correct? Given your technorati rating you clearly have numerous eyeballs on ads. That seems a more useful measure than clicks anyway.

20 Killian Bundy  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 11:26:24am

Kassam rocket hits Ashkelon region

Palestinians in the northern Gaza Strip fired a Kassam rocket at Israel on Saturday morning, the third since both Israel and Hamas declared cease-fires on January 18.

There were no reports of casualties or damage in the attack.

/same as it ever was

21 Killgore Trout  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 11:26:44am

Hot Air points out that PJM is paying Pamela Geller to cover CPAC for them. What the hell are they thinking?

22 Randall Gross  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 11:27:33am

re: #16 Killgore Trout

I really can't imagine their focus on PJTV is going to work out.

I think they are trying to become a professional news org, alternative to the MSM, it might not work but it's well worth trying.

As past owner of a now defunct and bankrupt business, I know exactly how this feels - like a child's been murdered, someone stole your dog, and your house burned down all at once. It's definitely not pleasant, but people will survive and the best will continue on with the next venture.

It's the same thing we've been cheering that's affecting the print and other media, it will work out over time, but not right now.

23 NY Nana  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 11:28:40am

re: #21 Killgore Trout

What the hell are they thinking?

Apparently they are not thinking.

/Could someone have put something in the water?

Drive-by post....family coming. BBL!

24 lifeofthemind  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 11:29:02am

Seriously wish that Roger Simon would get Charles to go over the PJM site and rebuild the interface. The WordPress model they use is painfully unfriendly to commentators.

25 debutaunt  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 11:30:02am

re: #13 Killgore Trout

I think it's a great idea, I'd love to see a revival of Classical Liberalism. I don't think it solves the mony problem though.

Revive Capitalism to solve the money problem.

26 Sharmuta  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 11:30:12am

re: #21 Killgore Trout

[deleted]

27 Charles Johnson  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 11:30:44am

re: #21 Killgore Trout

Hot Air points out that PJM is paying Pamela Geller to cover CPAC for them. What the hell are they thinking?

No, you misread that.

28 A Man for all Seasons  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 11:33:23am

re: #27 Charles

No, you misread that.

Why haven't you asked for your Government Bail-out yet Charles?
///

29 Killgore Trout  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 11:35:45am

re: #27 Charles

ah, sorry. She's claiming to be an "official blogger" at the PJM sponsored blogger's row. I assumed she was sponsored by them. My bad.

30 FrogMarch  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 11:36:02am

You gotta takes what works and run with it. ditch what doesn't work and adjust to demand.
There are some great individual bloggers within PJM that make it worthwhile.
I do not like the pay-aspect or the log-in aspect.

31 zombie  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 11:36:44am

Is there another easily-construed "ad network" that the average blogger can hook up with to get ads on one's blog? I've always wondered this. I am so ignorant about how blog advertising works -- I have no clue how one obtains them for one's site and how one gets paid.

I'm helping a less-tech-savvy friend set up a blog (which is entirely nonpolitical), and this person wants advertising on the blog, but I don't know where to begin.

Any suggestions?

32 jaunte  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 11:36:49am

re: #14 Thanos

One other note: This means that Charles ad rev. is down until he plugs in a replacement, it wouldn't hurt to help your favorite site by hitting the tip jar.

Is there still a 'contribute via Amazon' button? I only see Paypal.

33 opnion  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 11:38:02am

CAIR is blaming Bush for the FBI cutting off relations & looks forward to better relations with Obama. I'll bet.
CAIR plans A heavy lobbying of congress next week. You give guys like Murtha some cash & Things can happen.

34 Randall Gross  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 11:38:56am

re: #31 zombie

Is there another easily-construed "ad network" that the average blogger can hook up with to get ads on one's blog? I've always wondered this. I am so ignorant about how blog advertising works -- I have no clue how one obtains them for one's site and how one gets paid.

I'm helping a less-tech-savvy friend set up a blog (which is entirely nonpolitical), and this person wants advertising on the blog, but I don't know where to begin.

Any suggestions?

Most use Google Ad Sense Z.

35 Charles Johnson  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 11:39:02am

re: #32 jaunte

Is there still a 'contribute via Amazon' button? I only see Paypal.

Amazon has discontinued their Honor System feature.

36 snowcrash  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 11:39:22am

Before PJM alliance, was income generated by tips and finding advertisers on your own?

37 Boxy_brown  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 11:40:08am

..Meanwhile, it was game over for trying to stop the Obamanation and our slide into eurosocialism irrelevancy...

Republican Senator Judd Gregg is the leading candidate to head President Barack Obama’s Commerce Department, according to an administration official.[...] If Gregg is chosen and accepts, New Hampshire’s Democratic governor, John Lynch, will appoint his replacement. Should Democrat Al Franken prevail in the disputed Minnesota race that he now leads, the party would hold a 60-vote majority in the Senate -- enough, if Democrats vote as a block, to overcome filibusters that can delay legislation indefinitely.


But hey, at least we got rid of all the RINO's... Right?

38 Cato the Elder  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 11:40:10am

re: #6 ploome hineni

Ploome, did you see my reply to you on the other thread? Here it is:

#117 Cato the Elder

There's a follow-up note right below it.

39 jaunte  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 11:40:25am

re: #35 Charles

Oh, too bad. I'll get back onto Paypal, then.

40 Charles Johnson  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 11:40:27am

re: #31 zombie

Is there another easily-construed "ad network" that the average blogger can hook up with to get ads on one's blog? I've always wondered this. I am so ignorant about how blog advertising works -- I have no clue how one obtains them for one's site and how one gets paid.

I'm helping a less-tech-savvy friend set up a blog (which is entirely nonpolitical), and this person wants advertising on the blog, but I don't know where to begin.

Any suggestions?

Google AdSense is one option. I may try their ads myself.

There's also Blogads, but I believe it's invitation-only now.

41 A Man for all Seasons  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 11:40:46am

re: #32 jaunte

Is there still a 'contribute via Amazon' button? I only see Paypal.

You are an amazing artist....

42 Charles Johnson  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 11:41:38am

re: #37 Boxy_brown

..Meanwhile, it was game over for trying to stop the Obamanation and our slide into eurosocialism irrelevancy...

But hey, at least we got rid of all the RINO's... Right?

And you can still find a LOT of people ranting about purging the RINOs.

43 zombie  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 11:41:55am

re: #34 Thanos

Most use Google Ad Sense Z.

Where or how does one get or hook up with that. Link?

And are there any others?

44 opnion  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 11:42:17am

Just saw ED Suleman, the father of the woman that had the eight babies.
He has an accent & sure appears Middle Eastern. Assuming that these people are Muslims would that in any way explain this conduct?

45 jaunte  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 11:42:17am

re: #41 HoosierHoops

Thank you. I guess I should start practicing political cartooning.

46 BryanS  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 11:42:30am

re: #33 opnion

CAIR is blaming Bush for the FBI cutting off relations & looks forward to better relations with Obama. I'll bet.
CAIR plans A heavy lobbying of congress next week. You give guys like Murtha some cash & Things can happen.

You must have just seen that on Fox as well. How ridiculous--calling this the legacy of the Bush administrations attempts to marginalize Muslims. Bush went out of his way to prevent, minimize, and downplay America's understandable anger with Muslims after the 9-11 attacks. Bush certainly was more enlightened about our enemy than the FDR admin was (rounding up the "Japs" into camps ).

47 Boxy_brown  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 11:42:57am

re: #42 Charles

blockquote>And you can still find a LOT of people ranting about purging the RINOs.

No one left to purge.

48 zombie  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 11:43:13am

re: #40 Charles

Google AdSense is one option. I may try their ads myself.

There's also Blogads, but I believe it's invitation-only now.

Blogads only by invitation, hmmm? Does that mean they are looking only for comparatively high traffic blogs? And do they have a "slant," or is any kind of blog OK with them?

49 Charles Johnson  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 11:43:21am

re: #43 zombie

Where or how does one get or hook up with that. Link?

And are there any others?

[Link: www.google.com...]

50 MandyManners  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 11:44:08am

re: #44 opnion

Just saw ED Suleman, the father of the woman that had the eight babies.
He has an accent & sure appears Middle Eastern. Assuming that these people are Muslims would that in any way explain this conduct?

Who is the father of the other six? Who is the father of the octuplets? Who paid for the fertility treatment?

51 Charles Johnson  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 11:44:24am

re: #48 zombie

Blogads only by invitation, hmmm? Does that mean they are looking only for comparatively high traffic blogs? And do they have a "slant," or is any kind of blog OK with them?

Blogads is apolitical. I'm not totally sure about the invitation-only thing -- you should check it out yourself.

I may end up going back to Blogads in addition to AdSense.

52 Randall Gross  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 11:44:47am

re: #43 zombie

Where or how does one get or hook up with that. Link?

And are there any others?

[Link: www.google.com...]

There's a suite of tools there, it does not make sense at all to go this route if you don't also make a google xhtml sitemap.

53 A Man for all Seasons  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 11:44:58am

re: #45 jaunte

Thank you. I guess I should start practicing political cartooning.

Get Buzzsaw and OR to work with you and you'll take the political scene by storm..

54 Killgore Trout  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 11:45:20am

re: #49 Charles


Google AdSense is a free and easy way for website publishers of all sizes to display relevant Google ads on their website's content pages and earn money. The ads are related to what your visitors are looking for on your site — or matched to the characteristics and interests of the visitors your content attracts.

Step by Step
AdSense for content automatically crawls the content of your pages and delivers text and image ads that are relevant to your audience and your site content.

I look forward to seeing those Muslim dating sites again.

55 opnion  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 11:46:49am

re: #46 BryanS

You must have just seen that on Fox as well. How ridiculous--calling this the legacy of the Bush administrations attempts to marginalize Muslims. Bush went out of his way to prevent, minimize, and downplay America's understandable anger with Muslims after the 9-11 attacks. Bush certainly was more enlightened about our enemy than the FDR admin was (rounding up the "Japs" into camps ).

Yeah, I did hear it on FNC. Bush still gets blamed for everything.
Bush is the guy that toold us , 'A peaceful Relgion was hijacked"
I did my own research & would not characterise Islam as peaceful.
Bush tried very hard to avoid any backlash & I give him credit for that, but he should not have covered for the Islamic ideology.

56 lifeofthemind  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 11:47:09am

JeffG of ProteinWisdom is very unhappy. Is there anything to the argument that PJM signed up bloggers to steer their viewers to the PJM site and now is cutting the originators off?

57 vapig  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 11:47:10am

re: #32 jaunte

Is there still a 'contribute via Amazon' button? I only see Paypal.

Ditto that - I've tried twice and after a half hour each time (and two melt downs) I've hesitated to try again.

58 zombie  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 11:47:17am

re: #49 Charles

[Link: www.google.com...]

Thank you!

re: #51 Charles

Blogads is apolitical. I'm not totally sure about the invitation-only thing -- you should check it out yourself.

I may end up going back to Blogads in addition to AdSense.

I will check it out.

SO -- there are only two "ad networks" aside from PJM on the whole internet: AdSense and BlogAds? Surely that can't be the case. Anyone know of others?

Also: are these two networks mutuallly exclusionary -- i.e. if you have one, they don't allow you to have the other simultaneously?

59 Sharmuta  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 11:47:50am

re: #53 HoosierHoops

If a few things pan out for me, I may have something for jaunte to work on.

60 zombie  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 11:48:25am

re: #52 Thanos

[Link: www.google.com...]

There's a suite of tools there, it does not make sense at all to go this route if you don't also make a google xhtml sitemap.

Gulp!

[Loosens collar, starts sweating...]

61 n in wi  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 11:48:28am

re: #51 Charles

Blogads is apolitical. I'm not totally sure about the invitation-only thing -- you should check it out yourself.

I may end up going back to Blogads in addition to AdSense.

How about Blagoads,he could use some image enhancement.

62 opnion  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 11:48:30am

Latest poll on Fox, only 16% of those polled disapprove of Obama's performance in office. Are we all here?

63 BryanS  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 11:48:43am

re: #43 zombie

Where or how does one get or hook up with that. Link?

And are there any others?

Anyone can do it...here

You can use Yahoo's ads as well .. here

64 wolfie  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 11:48:46am

re: #44 opnion

I believe that he is an Iraqi.
I doubt that Islam has much to do with it.
The woman, IMO, is just plain weirod.

65 diggernet  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 11:48:54am

I've always been deeply bothered by the "pay per click" mentality, because it claims that an impression that isn't clicked has no value. Then why do sponsors put stickers all over the cars in Nascar, for example? All the people seeing those stickers over and over again has no value, right? And do you really think any business would find nothing of value in having a big banner at the top of a popular site, even if it had NO link? Ask any CEO what value he would place on having their logo put, unlinked, on Google's front page. I'll bet you his answer won't be "zero". At this point, I've pretty much come to the conclusion that any advertiser who requires "per click" and dismisses "per impression" is dishonest, and simply trying to fool people into giving them something for nothing.

66 Pastorius  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 11:49:10am

Here's what I'm confused about: I thought Charles had announced about a year back that he was no longer associated with PJM.

What was that about?

67 jaunte  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 11:49:54am

re: #59 Sharmuta

Sounds interesting; can you give me a hint, or tell me in the lounge?

68 Sharmuta  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 11:50:11am

Jaunte- lounge

69 jaunte  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 11:50:44am

re: #68 Sharmuta

Ok!

70 A Man for all Seasons  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 11:50:45am

re: #59 Sharmuta

If a few things pan out for me, I may have something for jaunte to work on.

I'd throw some cash behind it..I love projects...

71 Randall Gross  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 11:50:45am

re: #60 zombie

Gulp!

[Loosens collar, starts sweating...]

There are plugins for wordpress that will do this for you. It takes some cutting and pasting of code snips for google, yahoo, microsoft live. If you need a hand send me email, here's the sitemap plugin generator that I use:

[Link: www.arnebrachhold.de...]

72 opnion  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 11:50:58am

re: #64 wolfie

I believe that he is an Iraqi.
I doubt that Islam has much to do with it.
The woman, IMO, is just plain weirod.


Probably, I have never heard that this is a Muslim thing.
This is weired beyond belief though, an unmarried 33 year old with 14 kids living with mom & dad.

73 LEGION  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 11:51:00am

So sad, so bad, tragic.

74 zombie  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 11:51:21am

re: #63 BryanS

Anyone can do it...here

You can use Yahoo's ads as well .. here

Aha! Yahoo. Thank you.

Next question: Do the lefty blogs have their own ad networks? Some seem to be larded with ads. I assume they have their act together on this. Any info on left-political ad networks?

75 Killian Bundy  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 11:51:37am

Defense Official: Obama Calling for Defense Budget Cuts

The Obama administration has asked the military's Joint Chiefs of Staff to cut the Pentagon's budget request for the fiscal year 2010 by more than 10 percent -- about $55 billion -- a senior U.S. defense official tells FOX News.

Last year's defense budget was $512 billion. Service chiefs and planners will be spending the weekend "burning the midnight oil" looking at ways to cut the budget -- looking especially at weapons programs, the defense official said.

/life during wartime

76 [deleted]  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 11:52:22am
77 ArmyWife  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 11:53:24am

re: #62 opnion

Polling location was Berkeley.

//

78 BryanS  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 11:53:31am

re: #65 diggernet

I've always been deeply bothered by the "pay per click" mentality, because it claims that an impression that isn't clicked has no value. Then why do sponsors put stickers all over the cars in Nascar, for example? All the people seeing those stickers over and over again has no value, right? And do you really think any business would find nothing of value in having a big banner at the top of a popular site, even if it had NO link? Ask any CEO what value he would place on having their logo put, unlinked, on Google's front page. I'll bet you his answer won't be "zero". At this point, I've pretty much come to the conclusion that any advertiser who requires "per click" and dismisses "per impression" is dishonest, and simply trying to fool people into giving them something for nothing.

As someone who has paid for google and yahoo ads per click, I find pay per click very valuable. It allows me to know exactly how my ads are performing--how valuable is an ad placement that nobody pays attention to? Some sites hide their ads in a dark corner of the page such that they are never noticed. That may make for a more friendly site, but it sure makes it hard for me to sell anything that way.

79 zombie  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 11:53:48am

re: #66 Pastorius

Here's what I'm confused about: I thought Charles had announced about a year back that he was no longer associated with PJM.

What was that about?

I think Charles said he no longer was an owner or shareholder in PJM -- but he remained a member-blogger in the PJM network, like any other blogger.

He founded it, then sold off his ownership share, I think.

Though I should let Charles answer!

80 M. Bensson-Levi  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 11:54:42am

re: #64 wolfie

I believe that he is an Iraqi.
I doubt that Islam has much to do with it.
The woman, IMO, is just plain weirod.

He's a Pali, from Jerusalem. All weirdo's babies are from same artificial insemination sperm donor. She works in a fertility clinic, and is obviously nuts. Whole family is bankrupt and on the dole. Nice folks.

81 ArmyWife  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 11:54:43am

re: #72 opnion

There is a big hunk of information missing in this story. Something just doesn't add up.

82 LEGION  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 11:55:04am

re: #75 Killian Bundy

That is INSANE- to the troops that voted for bo- you just lost yourself a job. The US's budget for defense percentage wise is low compared to the rest of the world. Dumb just dumb. Suicidal. Iran is right- we are now weak- mentally- especially at the top. We are DOOMED!

83 [deleted]  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 11:55:15am
84 lifeofthemind  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 11:55:15am

This is a repost that Iran brings to mind, hate me.

Word to ban "adversaries" I do not have adversaries. I have friends, allies, lovers, co-workers, colleagues, strangers, customers and

Enemies

Adversaries are creatures you engage in a "Peace Process." Enemies you fight until they either
1) kill you, bad
2) surrender, good
3) die, good

No adversaries, enemies if they must be.

85 zombie  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 11:55:38am

re: #71 Thanos

There are plugins for wordpress that will do this for you. It takes some cutting and pasting of code snips for google, yahoo, microsoft live. If you need a hand send me email, here's the sitemap plugin generator that I use:

[Link: www.arnebrachhold.de...]

Thanks! I'll check it out.

86 Charles Johnson  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 11:55:47am

re: #66 Pastorius

Here's what I'm confused about: I thought Charles had announced about a year back that he was no longer associated with PJM.

What was that about?

That announcement was about my resigning from the position of Chief Technical Officer for PJM, to focus on LGF. As I wrote at the time, I was still a participant in the ad network.

87 MandyManners  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 11:57:03am

re: #80 M. Bensson-Levi



He's a Pali, from Jerusalem. All weirdo's babies are from same artificial insemination sperm donor. She works in a fertility clinic, and is obviously nuts. Whole family is bankrupt and on the dole. Nice folks.

Link?

88 Pietr  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 11:57:24am

re: #80 M. Bensson-Levi



He's a Pali, from Jerusalem. All weirdo's babies are from same artificial insemination sperm donor. She works in a fertility clinic, and is obviously nuts. Whole family is bankrupt and on the dole. Nice folks.

Link please? The last I heard on FOX, they are Iraqi origin.

89 Randall Gross  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 11:57:24am

There are also networks like doubleclick, etc now that I think on it... but aren't they the great satan of net advertising?

90 lifeofthemind  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 11:58:04am

re: #86 Charles

That announcement was about my resigning from the position of Chief Technical Officer for PJM, to focus on LGF. As I wrote at the time, I was still a participant in the ad network.


Someone of your skill as CTO is exactly what they need. You can't even preview a comment on the PJM site.

91 zombie  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 11:58:05am

re: #89 Thanos

There are also networks like doubleclick, etc now that I think on it... but aren't they the great satan of net advertising?

Hmmm...I'll check out doubleclick---warily. Thx.

92 LEGION  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 11:58:26am

re: #88 Pietr

I read the father is going to Iraq to get a job- and the joke was their economy is better than ours is now.

93 Pietr  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 11:59:27am

re: #87 MandyManners

GMTA...I never thought I'd get to say that to Ms Manners.....I'm overwhelmed......:>))

94 lifeofthemind  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 11:59:37am

re: #89 Thanos

There are also networks like doubleclick, etc now that I think on it... but aren't they the great satan of net advertising?

Every couple of months I go through my cookie file and delete anything that has doubleclick in it

95 ArmyWife  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 11:59:58am

Obama says recovery will take years. ArmyWife says especially when using that "stimulus" plan of his.

[Link: www.reuters.com...]

96 diggernet  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 12:00:05pm

re: #78 BryanS

That is a good point, but performance tracking doesn't require ads to be free unless clicked on. Heck, you can get performance tracking even if you paid nothing for the clicks, too. Certainly, clicks are more valuable than impressions, and there would be nothing wrong with a system that paid a low amount per impression and a higher amount per click. I'm just bothered by the assertion that an impression has a value of zero to the advertiser.

97 Cato the Elder  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 12:01:16pm

re: #76 ploome hineni

I think that is now the orthodox Jewish position

I just ordered a copy of the original German and will be looking into the possibility of doing a decent translation - if some person or foundation would support it. With the two existing translations acknowledged to be terrible, there should be a market for it, wouldn't you think? Let me know if you think of anyone I could approach with this idea.

Spengler has been writing about Rosenzweig for years. He's great.

98 M. Bensson-Levi  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 12:01:29pm

re: #87 MandyManners

re: #88 Pietr

SHAZAM!

99 Randall Gross  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 12:02:03pm

re: #96 diggernet

That is a good point, but performance tracking doesn't require ads to be free unless clicked on. Heck, you can get performance tracking even if you paid nothing for the clicks, too. Certainly, clicks are more valuable than impressions, and there would be nothing wrong with a system that paid a low amount per impression and a higher amount per click. I'm just bothered by the assertion that an impression has a value of zero to the advertiser.

The notion is belied by every paper magazine ad that's ever been paid for or printed since print advertising began.

100 zombie  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 12:02:29pm

Next newbie question:

Say you have a "specialty blog" about something really specific, for example, making saxophone reeds. Is there a way to attract or solicit ads from targetted businesses -- i.e. contact certain saxophone reed companies and say, "How'd you like to advertise on my saxophone reed blog?" I mean, if they're not Web-ad savvy, and I'm not Web-ad savvy, is there some system/mechanism to make this process (attracting specialty advertisers) easier?

101 wrenchwench  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 12:02:29pm

The "rule" in retail is that half your advertising dollars are wasted--you just never know which half. I think a lot of ad buyers recently took a guess, and made some whacks.

102 BryanS  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 12:02:42pm

re: #83 ploome hineni

you cannot measure the results of visual imprinting when one sees the same name/logo/ad over and over

like a billboard

Branding and selling are two separate things. If I want branding, I'll put up a billboard. Almost nobody will buy my product from that display, but I will become more recognizable. If I want to sell my product, I will create an ad in a paper or on the web selling that product. The web is great for measuring how responsive people are to your messages. Google is the best at it--and don't ever think that google is anything other than one big ad agency. Google is a huge success precisely due to their per click tracking methods they lead the market developing.

103 Pietr  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 12:03:35pm

re: #96 diggernet

That is a good point, but performance tracking doesn't require ads to be free unless clicked on. Heck, you can get performance tracking even if you paid nothing for the clicks, too. Certainly, clicks are more valuable than impressions, and there would be nothing wrong with a system that paid a low amount per impression and a higher amount per click. I'm just bothered by the assertion that an impression has a value of zero to the advertiser.


So, are we talking about a tenth of a mil per cent, vs 1/100th mil per cat, vs nothing? I've Adminned but never RAN a site-tho I helped the bosses improve it.....LOL.

104 wolfie  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 12:03:55pm

re: #80 M. Bensson-Levi

What really disturbs me about this (outside of the taxpayer having to pay to support these kids) is that this is not something she could have done by herself. I hold the clinic liable, and in a sane world, they would be forced to pick up the tab.

105 Charles Johnson  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 12:04:12pm

re: #100 zombie

Next newbie question:

Say you have a "specialty blog" about something really specific, for example, making saxophone reeds. Is there a way to attract or solicit ads from targetted businesses -- i.e. contact certain saxophone reed companies and say, "How'd you like to advertise on my saxophone reed blog?" I mean, if they're not Web-ad savvy, and I'm not Web-ad savvy, is there some system/mechanism to make this process (attracting specialty advertisers) easier?

That's what Google AdSense and Yahoo's ads do -- they analyze the site's content and serve ads that are related. (Which sometimes leads to unusual associations.)

106 Randall Gross  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 12:04:16pm

re: #100 zombie

Next newbie question:

Say you have a "specialty blog" about something really specific, for example, making saxophone reeds. Is there a way to attract or solicit ads from targetted businesses -- i.e. contact certain saxophone reed companies and say, "How'd you like to advertise on my saxophone reed blog?" I mean, if they're not Web-ad savvy, and I'm not Web-ad savvy, is there some system/mechanism to make this process (attracting specialty advertisers) easier?

Ad sense is supposed to do that for you by scanning your content, comparing to searches etc. Ads to match content in theory, but see KT's comment about muslim dating service ads above.

107 gmsc  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 12:05:18pm

re: #95 ArmyWife

Obama says recovery will take years. ArmyWife says especially when using that "stimulus" plan of his.

[Link: www.reuters.com...]

"We have tried spending money. We are spending more than we have ever spent before and it does not work ... After eight years of this Administration we have just as much unemployment as when we started ... And an enormous debt to boot!"

-Franklin Delano Roosevelt's Secretary of the Treasury, Henry Morgenthau, commenting on the failures of the New Deal after two terms of FDR

108 opnion  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 12:06:24pm

re: #77 ArmyWife

Polling location was Berkeley.

//


I would like to know how the question was phrased.

109 [deleted]  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 12:06:39pm
110 Mr. Neutron  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 12:06:39pm

Has anyone watched a complete episode of anything on PJTV? Even with topics/guests I'm interested in, I just can't take more than a few minutes. I like to read my news/opinion and rarely if ever bother with video links. Breitbart.tv as well, I just don't want to wait for them to get to the point. Unless it's a cat falling off the couch or some kid wiping out on his bike, that stuff is comedy gold.

111 zombie  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 12:06:51pm

re: #105 Charles

re: #106 Thanos

Yes, but that is only for companies that have previously signed up with Google. I'm talking about "independent" companies that are NOT part of AdSense (and/or have not yet necessarily even done Web advertising).

112 diggernet  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 12:08:10pm

re: #102 BryanS

Yes, branding and selling are two different things. And yes, Google's click tracking is valuable to you. But click tracking and paying are also two different things. You don't have to pay per click to get click tracking. And are you really stating that branding has zero value to you?

113 Pietr  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 12:08:13pm

re: #98 M. Bensson-Levi

Updinged for that link-wish I could downding a Pali family that may be raising more 'Right of Return' ...Hmmm...Aw hell, can't say bastards, what do you call implants? Pseudo-Pali terrorists to be?

114 BryanS  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 12:08:17pm

re: #96 diggernet

That is a good point, but performance tracking doesn't require ads to be free unless clicked on. Heck, you can get performance tracking even if you paid nothing for the clicks, too. Certainly, clicks are more valuable than impressions, and there would be nothing wrong with a system that paid a low amount per impression and a higher amount per click. I'm just bothered by the assertion that an impression has a value of zero to the advertiser.

True...impressions can be valuable, but it's difficult to know whether the impression is good or not. In a newspaper, I can pay a premium to get good placement, but web ads are not often sold like that. I suspect that the impression count method is best for web ads purchased directly from a web site proprietor where there is a direct relationship between the vendor and customer.

Charles could, for instance, likely do well by finding a few companies that want to target his audience and give them top line placement.

115 [deleted]  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 12:08:25pm
116 MandyManners  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 12:08:32pm

re: #98 M. Bensson-Levi

re: #88 Pietr

SHAZAM!

Why do I have this vision of what's going on in England and Europe?

117 Randall Gross  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 12:08:43pm

re: #111 zombie

re: #106 Thanos

Yes, but that is only for companies that have previously signed up with Google. I'm talking about "independent" companies that are NOT part of AdSense (and/or have not yet necessarily even done Web advertising).

In that case I would draft a business letter and send it out direct to the companies you are seeking ads from. There's not a way to do it "automagically" that I"m aware of.

118 Killgore Trout  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 12:08:58pm

re: #111 zombie

It might be worth a try but not only would you have to sell the adds to them yourself you'd probably have to design the ad and code it yourself too.

119 lostlakehiker  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 12:09:27pm

re: #15 Sharmuta

Last night, I saw was a road sign like that except it said "DWI Arrest Zone".

I can't figure out the logic in that- are there DWI non-arrest zones? And why warn drivers if it's more important to catch them?

You warn drivers because that stretch of road is particularly dangerous. You're allocating extra enforcement to it, and you're going to make arrests. But if drivers heed the sign, slow down and drive well enough that they don't get tagged as probably drunk, or just avoid driving that stretch while drunk because they remember having seen the sign, you're happy. Your main objective is safety. Your secondary objective is to make drunk driving arrests. The sign serves the first purpose, and it builds public support for convicting the folks you do arrest: even if driving drunk is forgivable in the eyes of some jurors, in-your-face drunk driving, on a stretch of the road that's signposted, may be over the top.

120 opnion  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 12:09:47pm

Daschle fails to pay about $130,000 in taxes.
What happened to Biden's 'Get with the deal Kate, it's patriotic."
The democrat hypocrisy on taxes is incredible & these people are in charge.

121 alegrias  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 12:10:00pm

re: #33 opnion

CAIR is blaming Bush for the FBI cutting off relations & looks forward to better relations with Obama. I'll bet.
CAIR plans A heavy lobbying of congress next week. You give guys like Murtha some cash & Things can happen.


* **

Remember Murtha was caught in that ABSCAM sting, taking money from fake petro-"Arabs" back in the 1980s.

122 jwb7605  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 12:10:04pm

re: #42 Charles

And you can still find a LOT of people ranting about purging the RINOs.

Here? On this site? Really? Surely you jest ...

123 NY Nana  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 12:10:17pm

re: #44 opnion

I had posted it in the spinoffs earlier...they are 'palestinians' from Jerusalem...here is the info. Disgusting, and a single mother with 14 kids.

They are immoral vultures, and may G-d help the babies. Being preemies they are subject to all sorts of complications throughout life. In addition, I will bet the family expects their own reality TV show. And the already nearly bankrupt state of CA will have to foot the bills. All 14 are from in-vitro. On the radio just now:' Girl's mother is not supportive. Says she will be gone when the daughter gets home'...

If they are illegals? Deport them..but all the 14 kids are born here. The youngest of the 6 older? A set of twin girls...2 years old.

IMHO, the MD who did the both artificial inseminations should lose his license.

BBL...family coming! (No pun intended!)

124 zombie  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 12:11:13pm

re: #114 BryanS

Charles could, for instance, likely do well by finding a few companies that want to target his audience and give them top line placement.

re: #117 Thanos

In that case I would draft a business letter and send it out direct to the companies you are seeking ads from. There's not a way to do it "automagically" that I"m aware of.

This is what I'm talking about: having "personalized" relationships between the exact right advertiser and the exact right blog -- instead of relying on Google "Muslim Dating Service" craziness.

Frustrating that there's no "automagic" way of doing it, though.

125 ArmyWife  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 12:11:40pm

re: #111 zombie

I'm reading Ace and Hotair - both saying they were making a bit of money off of this, both calling for an "entrepreneur" to pick up where this left off. Because I win the award hands down for Biggest Techno Idiot on the Internet, what would said entrepreneur need? A boatload of cash to pay someone else to set it up? Is that boat a dingy or a battleship?

126 wrenchwench  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 12:11:51pm

re: #35 Charles

Amazon has discontinued their Honor System feature.

Do you still get a few cents from a sale to someone who navigated there from here?

127 BryanS  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 12:12:51pm

re: #112 diggernet

Branding is important...it's just harder to trust a web ad network on the value of your ad placement. As I state in post #114 after your reply, getting value out of web site impressions can only be done in my mind when there is a direct relationship between the advertiser and web site operator since then things like placement can be agreed upon. Google's business method is third party, so the only way to measure the value of their ads is through clicks.

128 vapig  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 12:13:11pm

re: #125 ArmyWife

I'm reading Ace and Hotair - both saying they were making a bit of money off of this, both calling for an "entrepreneur" to pick up where this left off. Because I win the award hands down for Biggest Techno Idiot on the Internet, what would said entrepreneur need? A boatload of cash to pay someone else to set it up? Is that boat a dingy or a battleship?

Uh-ah! That's gotta be me!

129 newsjunkie_ky  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 12:13:18pm

Only thing I watched on PTV was Joe the Plumber.

130 alegrias  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 12:14:41pm

re: #104 wolfie

What really disturbs me about this (outside of the taxpayer having to pay to support these kids) is that this is not something she could have done by herself. I hold the clinic liable, and in a sane world, they would be forced to pick up the tab.

* * *
Before undergoing In Vitro Fertilization, IVF clinics send you to their finance office where you have to come up with big fat loans securitized by your home! People can spend hundreds of thousands of dollars trying to get pregnant--no doubt after having spent money on abortions in their youth, when they were fertile.

IVF procedures easily cost $6,000-$10,000 per cycle--apart from anything insurance would pay-- and the IVF clinics expect the cash UP FRONT.

Californians are idiots to pay IVF for every Tom Dick & Harry, regardless of ability to pay.

This is like giving mortgages to people who can't afford them!

131 zombie  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 12:15:20pm

re: #118 Killgore Trout

It might be worth a try but not only would you have to sell the adds to them yourself you'd probably have to design the ad and code it yourself too.

OK, all this gives me an idea for a company:

Be the "intermediary" ad agglomerator that basically does using human intelligence what AdSense does with computer algorithms. Have a company that has, on one side, a huge stable of potential advertisers, and on the other, blogs looking for specialty ads -- and you match them up, making sure it's a "good fit," and this middleman company does the code and ad design for you. (And then takes a cut of the revenue.)

Sounds like a winner of a Silicon Valley startup.

Any venture capitalists in the house?

132 opnion  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 12:15:31pm

re: #116 MandyManners

Why do I have this vision of what's going on in England and Europe?

Who do Ed , Angela & their daughter think is going to pay to raise these little bundles.
Ok, she did not abort, but why would an unmarried woman with six childred already, get artificially impregnated?
She does not even have the cover of,'Well you know it was closing time & we just got in the back seat. Well one thing led to another."

133 A Man for all Seasons  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 12:15:32pm

re: #129 newsjunkie_ky

Only thing I watched on PTV was Joe the Plumber.

Hey News! hope you are well..We get another snow monday and tuesday..what is the latest from there?

134 jwb7605  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 12:15:49pm

re: #98 M. Bensson-Levi

re: #88 Pietr

SHAZAM!

Yesterday the husband started out "going back to Iraq".
Then it turned out it wasn't the husband it was her father.
Then it was reported that he was an expatriated Iraqi military official.

Today:

Suleman's father Ed, a Palestinian immigrant who hails from Jerusalem


My 48 hour rule clock just restarted.

135 Charles Johnson  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 12:16:07pm

re: #126 wrenchwench

Do you still get a few cents from a sale to someone who navigated there from here?

Yes, their affiliate program is still alive.

136 [deleted]  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 12:16:09pm
137 opnion  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 12:16:41pm

re: #121 alegrias

* **

Remember Murtha was caught in that ABSCAM sting, taking money from fake petro-"Arabs" back in the 1980s.

Yeah, but the cash never actually changed hands , so he skated on it.
The man is a walking dirt bag.

138 jwb7605  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 12:16:58pm

re: #129 newsjunkie_ky

Only thing I watched on PTV was Joe the Plumber.

Same here. His career was short.

139 zombie  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 12:17:10pm

re: #125 ArmyWife

I'm reading Ace and Hotair - both saying they were making a bit of money off of this, both calling for an "entrepreneur" to pick up where this left off. Because I win the award hands down for Biggest Techno Idiot on the Internet, what would said entrepreneur need? A boatload of cash to pay someone else to set it up? Is that boat a dingy or a battleship?

Yes, they'd need a "venture capitalist" (or "angel investor") to put down the initial cash to get the company off the ground. I think it would be a good idea -- not just for conservative political blogs, but any sort of specialty.

140 Killgore Trout  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 12:17:25pm

re: #131 zombie

It's not really a bad idea. I'd bet gun companies would love to advertise on LGF. Maybe even the Discovery Chanel.

141 ArmyWife  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 12:17:25pm

re: #130 alegrias

Your stats and link to uphold the "no doubt" piece of your argument?

142 opnion  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 12:17:40pm

re: #134 jwb7605

My 48 hour rule clock just restarted.

I think that they are the Coneheads, "We are from France"

143 SummerSong  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 12:18:05pm

re: #4 Charles

PJ Media is the supplier of advertisements for LGF and other blogs. The ad network is what is closing down.

I try to click on advertiser links on LGF (when I remember to) thinking I was helping Charles make some $. No longer going to be the case? Never was?

144 Randall Gross  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 12:18:06pm

re: #135 Charles

Yes, their affiliate program is still alive.

Then a "books I'm reading" sidebar widget is calling your name....

145 alegrias  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 12:18:13pm

re: #134 jwb7605

My 48 hour rule clock just restarted.

* * *
Wow. So Californian tax payers are paying for MULIPLE outrageously expensive and intrusive in vitro fertilizations of Palestinian immigrant's children already on US welfare.

Like the UN does!

146 alegrias  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 12:18:58pm

re: #141 ArmyWife

Your stats and link to uphold the "no doubt" piece of your argument?

* * *
Bitter Personal experience good enough for you.

147 ArmyWife  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 12:19:12pm

re: #132 opnion

Again, something big missing here. Woman is 33, capable of viable pregnancies, used a sperm donor for all - the same one, who just got married and asked that she no longer used his sperm, but did anyway to produce 8 more babies. Who is the sperm donor?

148 debutaunt  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 12:19:28pm

re: #105 Charles

That's what Google AdSense and Yahoo's ads do -- they analyze the site's content and serve ads that are related. (Which sometimes leads to unusual associations.)

Genome music sites sometimes make bizarre suggestions.

149 avanti  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 12:20:04pm

Charles, why not a "support this site" PayPal link ? Many of us could toss in 10 bucks or so now and then to help support the site.

150 zombie  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 12:20:15pm

re: #135 Charles

Yes, their affiliate program is still alive.

I'm thinking of doing that as well (for a special category of products).

Is Amazon Associates worth the effort? Or do you get, like, 37¢/month from it? I was wondering if it was a waste of time or not.

151 BryanS  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 12:20:22pm

re: #124 zombie

This is what I'm talking about: having "personalized" relationships between the exact right advertiser and the exact right blog -- instead of relying on Google "Muslim Dating Service" craziness.

Frustrating that there's no "automagic" way of doing it, though.

It only works when you are dealing with a media outlet organized enough to have an ad rep. Niche ad outfits like PJM are one way to make it easier to do what you are looking for since they seek out advertisers who want to target a particular market, but as we've just seen it's difficult to play only in a niche.

152 M. Bensson-Levi  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 12:20:26pm

re: #104 wolfie

What really disturbs me about this (outside of the taxpayer having to pay to support these kids) is that this is not something she could have done by herself. I hold the clinic liable, and in a sane world, they would be forced to pick up the tab.

A sane world? A SANE WORLD?! Barack Hopenchange, is president of the United States of America, we have been watching Iran, an arch enemy, developing an atomic bomb, and have done nothing to thwart their ambition to use it against us, or our allies, muslims riot, murder, and maim at will, worldwide, without even rebuke, and you allude to the concept of a sane world? Where? When?

In a sane world we'd have to be recycling tar and feathers, because of the shortage of them. In a sane world.

There's you, and me, and 27 of the folks that post here. That's the sane world! Oh, and a guy in Hoboken, but I forget his name. That's it 'bro! (And I ain't so sure about that guy in Hoboken)

153 NYCHardhat  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 12:20:28pm

Under Obama, war on terror catchphrase fading.

war on common sense is his new catchphrase

154 MandyManners  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 12:21:13pm

re: #132 opnion

Who do Ed , Angela & their daughter think is going to pay to raise these little bundles.
Ok, she did not abort, but why would an unmarried woman with six childred already, get artificially impregnated?
She does not even have the cover of,'Well you know it was closing time & we just got in the back seat. Well one thing led to another."

Who performed the implantation?

155 ArmyWife  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 12:21:30pm

re: #146 alegrias

Nope. Sorry. Not at all. I am sorry you went through a rough experience, but I do not believe that every woman with issues conceiving have such as a result of too many abortions and saying something like that could be quite hurtful.

156 avanti  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 12:21:31pm

Foot statue is Gone

157 zombie  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 12:21:38pm

re: #140 Killgore Trout

It's not really a bad idea. I'd bet gun companies would love to advertise on LGF. Maybe even the Discovery Chanel.

The possibilities are endless. You could even base the ads on what the commenters are talking about, as opposed to what the threads are about.

158 Randall Gross  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 12:22:01pm

Zombie, if you want a specific product blog and person to look at, for comparison and benchmarking, I recommend Manolo. If you wrote he might even have some ideas.

[Link: shoeblogs.com...]

159 M. Bensson-Levi  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 12:22:18pm

re: #113 Pietr

Updinged for that link-wish I could downding a Pali family that may be raising more 'Right of Return' ...Hmmm...Aw hell, can't say bastards, what do you call implants? Pseudo-Pali terrorists to be?

Works for me.

160 jcm  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 12:22:24pm

82nd LRSD OEF VIII
A collection of still images and video taken by myself and the men of 82nd LRSD on their 2007-08 Afghanistan Deployment. Edited by Justin Hunt using Sony Vegas Pro 8

161 alegrias  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 12:22:25pm

re: #147 ArmyWife

Again, something big missing here. Woman is 33, capable of viable pregnancies, used a sperm donor for all - the same one, who just got married and asked that she no longer used his sperm, but did anyway to produce 8 more babies. Who is the sperm donor?

* **
She's divorced and had problems with obstructed fallopian tubes according to her mother.

IVF pregnancy paid for by unwitting US Taxpayers bypasses her obstructed fallopian tubes, by implanting viable embryos in utero for a successful pregnancy.

162 MandyManners  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 12:22:28pm

re: #134 jwb7605

My 48 hour rule clock just restarted.

Did you read the article?

163 wrenchwench  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 12:22:57pm

re: #149 avanti

Charles, why not a "support this site" PayPal link ? Many of us could toss in 10 bucks or so now and then to help support the site.

Look up and to the left. Click on Tools/Info. Scroll to bottom. Click. Send money.

164 doppelganglander  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 12:23:38pm

re: #134 jwb7605

My 48 hour rule clock just restarted.

How about this part:

It also is unclear how she is going to get the money to pay for 14 children - though welfare is generous in California, which has three times more people getting assistance than any other state.

I wonder if the fact that welfare is generous has anything to do with it.

165 MandyManners  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 12:23:52pm

re: #136 ploome hineni

did you get the email?

I'll see.

166 M. Bensson-Levi  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 12:24:05pm

re: #116 MandyManners

Why do I have this vision of what's going on in England and Europe?

'Cause it's seepin' its way in here, and you're astute.

167 SurferDoc  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 12:24:23pm

re: #153 NYCHardhat

Under Obama, war on terror catchphrase fading.

war on common sense is his new catchphrase

War on Reality?

168 wolfie  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 12:24:25pm

re: #130 alegrias

Ah. So the taxpayer is paying for the treatments. That explains why the clinic was so eager to cooperate. MONEY.

I still wonder if there isn't a potential lawsuit in this. I know, for example, that plastic surgeons are not supposed to work on people who show signs of being disturbed. It's malpractice. (This is why plastic-surgery addicts travel from doctor to doctor.)
As far as I am concerned, the fertility clinic is guilty of malpractice.

169 opnion  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 12:24:26pm

re: #147 ArmyWife

Again, something big missing here. Woman is 33, capable of viable pregnancies, used a sperm donor for all - the same one, who just got married and asked that she no longer used his sperm, but did anyway to produce 8 more babies. Who is the sperm donor?

Wait, if the guy specifically requested that she not use his sperm, did she commit a crime or was it just totally out of his legal control?

170 alegrias  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 12:25:03pm

re: #154 MandyManners

Who performed the implantation?


Kaiser Permanente's 62 doctors and nurses delivered them, at TAXPAYER expense. And oh since they're premies, at $1,000 per day in NICU neonatal intensive care unit, this will cost MILLIONS to bankrupt America.

Blame lefties who encourage this tax rip off.

171 ArmyWife  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 12:25:16pm

re: #161 alegrias

According to one neighbor, Suleman used the same sperm donor for all 14 kids. The donor was an acquaintance, who after getting married recently, asked her no longer to use his sperm, a neighbor said. "But she did it anyway," the neighbor said.

[Link: www.nypost.com...]

172 doppelganglander  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 12:25:18pm

re: #147 ArmyWife

Again, something big missing here. Woman is 33, capable of viable pregnancies, used a sperm donor for all - the same one, who just got married and asked that she no longer used his sperm, but did anyway to produce 8 more babies. Who is the sperm donor?

I don't know, but another article mentioned that the 8 embryos were left over from previous procedures and she didn't want them destroyed.

173 NYCHardhat  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 12:25:21pm

re: #167 SurferDoc

War on Reality?

I like it. Lets have a contest.

174 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 12:25:52pm

re: #100 zombie

Wow. Zombie also makes saxophone reeds.

175 ArmyWife  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 12:26:00pm

re: #169 opnion

I don't know. Not a sperm lawyer.

(had to say it, it was funny to me, and maybe only me!)

176 M. Bensson-Levi  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 12:26:03pm

re: #123 NY Nana

You was my source, Good Lady. Good work.

177 zombie  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 12:26:17pm

re: #151 BryanS

It only works when you are dealing with a media outlet organized enough to have an ad rep. Niche ad outfits like PJM are one way to make it easier to do what you are looking for since they seek out advertisers who want to target a particular market, but as we've just seen it's difficult to play only in a niche.

I was thinking of "all niches at once."

Basically, similar to Google AdSense in that the ads are matched with the appropriate blogs, but in this case, the advertiser gets to "approve" of the placement. Because the embarrassment goes both ways: now not only do anti-jihad sites get "Muslim Dating Service" ads, but legitimate companies get their advertisements placed on pr0n sites, and so on -- when they use Google AdSense.

My envisioned company would avoid this embarrassment factor, and thus attract a better class of advertisers.

178 alegrias  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 12:26:39pm

re: #168 wolfie

Ah. So the taxpayer is paying for the treatments. That explains why the clinic was so eager to cooperate. MONEY.

I still wonder if there isn't a potential lawsuit in this. I know, for example, that plastic surgeons are not supposed to work on people who show signs of being disturbed. It's malpractice. (This is why plastic-surgery addicts travel from doctor to doctor.)
As far as I am concerned, the fertility clinic is guilty of malpractice.

* * **
IVF clinics supposedly ask you a battery of questions before you go through this, including raking over your financials, in states where they expect you to pay for this out of your own pocket.

179 NYCHardhat  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 12:26:58pm

re: #119 lostlakehiker

You warn drivers because that stretch of road is particularly dangerous. You're allocating extra enforcement to it, and you're going to make arrests. But if drivers heed the sign, slow down and drive well enough that they don't get tagged as probably drunk, or just avoid driving that stretch while drunk because they remember having seen the sign, you're happy. Your main objective is safety. Your secondary objective is to make drunk driving arrests. The sign serves the first purpose, and it builds public support for convicting the folks you do arrest: even if driving drunk is forgivable in the eyes of some jurors, in-your-face drunk driving, on a stretch of the road that's signposted, may be over the top.

Or its a dwi checkpoint. They pull everyone over and check the driver.

180 Charles Johnson  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 12:27:01pm

re: #150 zombie

I'm thinking of doing that as well (for a special category of products).

Is Amazon Associates worth the effort? Or do you get, like, 37¢/month from it? I was wondering if it was a waste of time or not.

It can be worth the effort, yes (there's very little effort involved, actually). You don't make a lot of money by promoting low-cost items like books and CDs though -- it's percentage-based, so the big-ticket items bring larger returns.

181 opnion  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 12:27:09pm

re: #175 ArmyWife

I don't know. Not a sperm lawyer.

(had to say it, it was funny to me, and maybe only me!)

It's funny.

182 Dustyvet  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 12:27:26pm

re: #121 alegrias

* **

Remember Murtha was caught in that ABSCAM sting, taking money from fake petro-"Arabs" back in the 1980s.

We should have a Lizard or two stake out Murtha's office and listen for the sound of cash registers ringing.

183 wolfie  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 12:27:31pm

re: #152 M. Bensson-Levi

Yep. Enough said! :)

184 jwb7605  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 12:27:39pm

re: #145 alegrias

* * *
Wow. So Californian tax payers are paying for MULIPLE outrageously expensive and intrusive in vitro fertilizations of Palestinian immigrant's children already on US welfare.

Like the UN does!

Right. I think we should move the UN to her house.
Sorry for the late reply, but I was arguing with Walter on the previous thread about ... pretty much everything, now that I think about it.
/

185 zombie  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 12:27:55pm

re: #158 Thanos

Zombie, if you want a specific product blog and person to look at, for comparison and benchmarking, I recommend Manolo. If you wrote he might even have some ideas.

[Link: shoeblogs.com...]

Good idea. Thx.

186 alegrias  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 12:28:17pm

re: #169 opnion

Wait, if the guy specifically requested that she not use his sperm, did she commit a crime or was it just totally out of his legal control?

* * *
these may have been left over embryos (blastocysts) from her previous IVF treatments.

These may have been under her name alone.

In California, you apparently don't need to explain much if you want a designer baby.

187 opnion  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 12:28:57pm

re: #186 alegrias

* * *
these may have been left over embryos (blastocysts) from her previous IVF treatments.

These may have been under her name alone.

In California, you apparently don't need to explain much if you want a designer baby.


Sounds right.

188 MandyManners  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 12:29:05pm

re: #166 M. Bensson-Levi

'Cause it's seepin' its way in here, and you're astute.

I'm also scared.

189 yma o hyd  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 12:29:41pm

re: #139 zombie

Yes, they'd need a "venture capitalist" (or "angel investor") to put down the initial cash to get the company off the ground. I think it would be a good idea -- not just for conservative political blogs, but any sort of specialty.

They would, alas, want to see some sort of return on their outlay.
Thats why they are entrepreneurs, they don't do things for free.

What about - I'm just throwing this in the air, not knowing anything about it - what about finding some sort of beneficial trust fund, some sort of philanthropist?
Like, ahem, Bill Gates of Windows fame?
(I know he's into medical aid for the 3rd world - but you get my drift.)

190 MandyManners  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 12:29:47pm

re: #168 wolfie

Ah. So the taxpayer is paying for the treatments. That explains why the clinic was so eager to cooperate. MONEY.

I still wonder if there isn't a potential lawsuit in this. I know, for example, that plastic surgeons are not supposed to work on people who show signs of being disturbed. It's malpractice. (This is why plastic-surgery addicts travel from doctor to doctor.)
As far as I am concerned, the fertility clinic is guilty of malpractice.

Unless she sues, no one has standing to bring suit.

191 zombie  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 12:29:51pm

re: #174 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Wow. Zombie also makes saxophone reeds.

Someone's gotta do it.

No, actually, that was a random example off the top of my head. I couldn't make a saxophone reed if my life depended on it.

192 diggernet  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 12:30:19pm

re: #127 BryanS

Ad networks have ad placement restrictions for their member sites. They dictate where you can place ads on your page, how many ads you can place, etc. They do this to protect the branding that they aren't paying for.

193 MandyManners  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 12:30:36pm

re: #170 alegrias

Kaiser Permanente's 62 doctors and nurses delivered them, at TAXPAYER expense. And oh since they're premies, at $1,000 per day in NICU neonatal intensive care unit, this will cost MILLIONS to bankrupt America.

Blame lefties who encourage this tax rip off.

I'm not talking about the delivery. I'm talking about the implantation.

194 alegrias  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 12:30:40pm

re: #171 ArmyWife

[Link: www.nypost.com...]

* * *
The sperm donor may not have had "parental rights " over the blastocyst/embryos that had been hatched previously. These embryos might have all been under her own name/ownership.

Potential babies are truly "free" in California. Tax payer free.

195 nyc redneck  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 12:31:47pm

she's going to get a t.v. show out of this. and plenty of sponsors for free stuff.
diapers, food, clothes, toys, furniture.
she probably already has an agent.

196 zombie  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 12:31:56pm

re: #180 Charles

It can be worth the effort, yes (there's very little effort involved, actually). You don't make a lot of money by promoting low-cost items like books and CDs though -- it's percentage-based, so the big-ticket items bring larger returns.

Ah, OK. Thx. I checked it out, and it seems easy -- just add the account code into the link, and Amazon does the rest. I may try that as well.

(I'm doing this to help a friend, but I'm also doing it to learn the ropes, for my later benefit.)

197 Occasional Reader  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 12:31:56pm
except that we’ll be getting a little more creative about how we pay the bills

There's a lot of that going around these days.

My advice: An LGF Stimulus Package, with plenty of money for contraceptives. It can be paid for by our children and grandchildren. Except... we won't have any, I guess?

198 quickjustice  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 12:31:57pm

I still think that we need a web-based micro-payment system. Every time we log on, Charles gets a penny or more. Charles gives us a budgeted number of updings. If we get an upding, Charles gives us a discount, or additional updings as a reward.

At the end of the year, we have a giant "Lizard-off" contest with the top twenty commentators competing for the prize: an all-expense paid trip to lizard country.

199 opnion  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 12:32:29pm

re: #190 MandyManners

Unless she sues, no one has standing to bring suit.

Your right, she is the one with standing if she alleges that she is damaged.

The taxpayers actually have been damaged but not the kind of damages that the court will entertain

200 yma o hyd  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 12:32:38pm

re: #158 Thanos

Zombie, if you want a specific product blog and person to look at, for comparison and benchmarking, I recommend Manolo. If you wrote he might even have some ideas.

[Link: shoeblogs.com...]

Aahhh - Manolo!
That will certainly draw the fashionistas in!

201 MandyManners  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 12:32:45pm

re: #195 nyc redneck

she's going to get a t.v. show out of this. and plenty of sponsors for free stuff.
diapers, food, clothes, toys, furniture.
she probably already has an agent.

The Goslings beat her to it.

202 SurferDoc  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 12:32:55pm

re: #173 NYCHardhat

I like it. Lets have a contest.

How we do dat?

203 avanti  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 12:32:59pm

re: #163 wrenchwench

Look up and to the left. Click on Tools/Info. Scroll to bottom. Click. Send money.

Thanks, found it, but why hide the tip jar under the bar ? :)

204 alegrias  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 12:33:21pm

re: #195 nyc redneck

she's going to get a t.v. show out of this. and plenty of sponsors for free stuff.
diapers, food, clothes, toys, furniture.
she probably already has an agent.

* * *
Al Arabiya?

I want to be in America
Babies are Free in America!

205 zombie  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 12:33:25pm

re: #189 yma o hyd

They would, alas, want to see some sort of return on their outlay.
Thats why they are entrepreneurs, they don't do things for free.

The whole point is, it would be a money-making business. We'd skim off a percentage of all ad revenue (as Google does).

206 wolfie  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 12:33:25pm

re: #178 alegrias

* * **
IVF clinics supposedly ask you a battery of questions before you go through this, including raking over your financials, in states where they expect you to pay for this out of your own pocket.

Okay. They only look at the whole situation if there's money on the line. That makes sense from a business's point of view.
But these are medical procedures. Medical standards should apply.

I supposed this is part and parcel of the shift from the doctor as a morally-bound (and usually oath-bound) servant of life and health to the doctor as a gratifier of the customer's desires.

207 MandyManners  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 12:33:31pm

re: #199 opnion

Your right, she is the one with standing if she alleges that she is damaged.

The taxpayers actually have been damaged but not the kind of damages that the court will entertain

I don't see how she can allege that since she wanted it.

208 Randall Gross  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 12:34:11pm

re: #177 zombie

I was thinking of "all niches at once."

Basically, similar to Google AdSense in that the ads are matched with the appropriate blogs, but in this case, the advertiser gets to "approve" of the placement. Because the embarrassment goes both ways: now not only do anti-jihad sites get "Muslim Dating Service" ads, but legitimate companies get their advertisements placed on pr0n sites, and so on -- when they use Google AdSense.

My envisioned company would avoid this embarrassment factor, and thus attract a better class of advertisers.

I believe there are divisions that do this already in the major advertising agencies, they don't put ads on blogs much though, more the major online periodical sites.

209 ArmyWife  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 12:34:24pm

re: #139 zombie

So the big question is how much? If its say $50,000, that is easier to get than say $1 Million.

210 BryanS  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 12:34:28pm

re: #177 zombie

I was thinking of "all niches at once."

Basically, similar to Google AdSense in that the ads are matched with the appropriate blogs, but in this case, the advertiser gets to "approve" of the placement. Because the embarrassment goes both ways: now not only do anti-jihad sites get "Muslim Dating Service" ads, but legitimate companies get their advertisements placed on pr0n sites, and so on -- when they use Google AdSense.

My envisioned company would avoid this embarrassment factor, and thus attract a better class of advertisers.

You would be doing what Google does (through matching key words and such) but manually. Possibly you could command a higher price for that, but you have have to just to stay in business. Google could whup you with their economies of scale.

I would say the best option would be to just set up an ad auction brokerage site--kind of like ebay except for web ads. This way, you don't have to do the hard work of valuing the advertising, you just charge a handling fee and provide the ad network infrastructure.

211 alegrias  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 12:35:06pm

re: #197 Occasional Reader

There's a lot of that going around these days.

My advice: An LGF Stimulus Package, with plenty of money for contraceptives. It can be paid for by our children and grandchildren. Except... we won't have any, I guess?

* * *
Just to be clear, I am pro-baby all the way.

Just not pro tax-payer paid IVF treatments to rip-off artistes who already have 6 kids in everything goes California.

212 zombie  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 12:35:10pm

re: #209 ArmyWife

So the big question is how much? If its say $50,000, that is easier to get than say $1 Million.

Sadly, I have no clue.

213 Charles Johnson  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 12:35:13pm

re: #210 BryanS

You would be doing what Google does (through matching key words and such) but manually. Possibly you could command a higher price for that, but you have have to just to stay in business. Google could whup you with their economies of scale.

I would say the best option would be to just set up an ad auction brokerage site--kind of like ebay except for web ads. This way, you don't have to do the hard work of valuing the advertising, you just charge a handling fee and provide the ad network infrastructure.

You're basically describing Blogads.

214 BryanS  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 12:35:28pm

re: #192 diggernet

Ad networks have ad placement restrictions for their member sites. They dictate where you can place ads on your page, how many ads you can place, etc. They do this to protect the branding that they aren't paying for.

Those placement restrictions aren't always followed. It takes a lot to keep on their member advertisers.

215 newsjunkie_ky  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 12:35:51pm

re: #133 HoosierHoops

Hey News! hope you are well..We get another snow monday and tuesday..what is the latest from there?

Hey Hoops.
We are supposed to get some, too. Not sure how much. We still have lots on the ground and my trees still have about 1/2 of ice on them. Someone said NE KY is going to get 12".
Are you all going to get that?

216 ArmyWife  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 12:37:03pm

re: #212 zombie

If you find out, let me know. Anyone here have an idea?

217 A Man for all Seasons  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 12:37:35pm

re: #175 ArmyWife

I don't know. Not a sperm lawyer.

(had to say it, it was funny to me, and maybe only me!)

What do sperm and lawyers have in common?
only one in a million do any good.

218 yma o hyd  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 12:37:37pm

re: #205 zombie

The whole point is, it would be a money-making business. We'd skim off a percentage of all ad revenue (as Google does).

Right.
That means they'd probably ask for shares in your company.
Its worth looking for an entrepreneur with a philanthropic bend.

219 zombie  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 12:37:38pm

re: #210 BryanS

I was thinking of being more of a "boutique" ad company -- very individualized. Not really competing with Google. They work on a grand scale -- we'd work one-on-one. Yes, we'd have to charge more, but it would be worth it to specialty companies to get personalized ads on specialized sites -- and it would be an attractive source of revenue for specialty blogs.

220 BryanS  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 12:38:15pm

re: #213 Charles

You're basically describing Blogads.

Hey, then they have a great idea :) Not being a blogger myself, I did not know that's how they work. I'm guessing you're known enough to get approved to participate in their network.

221 Randall Gross  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 12:38:19pm

re: #205 zombie

The whole point is, it would be a money-making business. We'd skim off a percentage of all ad revenue (as Google does).

I still think you ought to collaborate with some of the other photo journalists that frequent here and create a "What people are really wearing" site. A few trips to Maiden lane a week for photos, and you are rolling in cash.

222 zombie  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 12:38:43pm

re: #218 yma o hyd

Right.
That means they'd probably ask for shares in your company.
Its worth looking for an entrepreneur with a philanthropic bend.

Thats exactly what venture capitalists do. They often take 70% of the company or more.

223 zombie  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 12:39:51pm

re: #221 Thanos

I still think you ought to collaborate with some of the other photo journalists that frequent here and create a "What people are really wearing" site. A few trips to Maiden lane a week for photos, and you are rolling in cash.

Fashion? That's outta my league.

224 Killgore Trout  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 12:41:28pm

re: #219 zombie

That's why I think your idea would take very little start up money. It would be mostly an investment of time making calls. If someone had a little graphic design experience and a little HTLM knowledge it could easily be started as a one (or two) man operation.

225 M. Bensson-Levi  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 12:41:37pm

re: #188 MandyManners

I'm also scared.

With the way previous administrations, and the current administration, have failed to even realistically DEFINE the enemy that seeks to destroy our civilization, one way or another, you have every reason to be scared. That you have a young son, even the more so.

226 jimzinsocal  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 12:41:49pm

re: #4 Charles

PJ Media is the supplier of advertisements for LGF and other blogs. The ad network is what is closing down.

Thats what I understood Charles. And I admit Im fairly new to the model
as described by Ace and others.
As I take it..the "PJM" ads will stop in April sometime and they have been a source of income for all involved. Not big money but sort of a bonus so to speak.
Not the end of the world as we know it but all sites are facing tough times
as the ad models are adjusted.
Personally? I like what Reynolds does at his site: He does posts that link to Amazon [how can anyone argue with Amazon success] that carry a direct link to some product.
Im sure he gets some impression income/
That for me is less clutter and controllable.

Site as visited as this?
Ad revenue should be easy. IMO
And not anything that needs to drive people nuts.
Its a reason I come here.
The site isnt overrun with ad clutter.
Its clean.

227 A Man for all Seasons  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 12:42:58pm

re: #215 newsjunkie_ky

Hey Hoops.
We are supposed to get some, too. Not sure how much. We still have lots on the ground and my trees still have about 1/2 of ice on them. Someone said NE KY is going to get 12".
Are you all going to get that?

Thank god we missed alot of the ice..But got a foot of snow.. I woke up and went OMG! Now what? Our driveway is really long so i just made 2 tracks and we both followed them out. I'm a California native..this stuff freaks me out..I was emailing pics all day long to friends and family in Napa.
It might get bad here monday i heard..
Keep safe and i need more pictures of your puppy...

228 yma o hyd  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 12:43:05pm

re: #219 zombie

I was thinking of being more of a "boutique" ad company -- very individualized. Not really competing with Google. They work on a grand scale -- we'd work one-on-one. Yes, we'd have to charge more, but it would be worth it to specialty companies to get personalized ads on specialized sites -- and it would be an attractive source of revenue for specialty blogs.

Thats a really interesting idea, needs pursuing.
Mind - it looks like a lot of work, making those ads and placing them.
But its definitely something to work out in more detail.
Thats my gut feeling.

229 Killgore Trout  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 12:43:30pm

re: #223 zombie

But I'll bet digital camera manufacturers/retailers would love to target photoblogs.

230 Killgore Trout  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 12:44:23pm

re: #229 Killgore Trout

...and image hosting sites like Flikr.

231 BBev  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 12:45:37pm

OT. I'm posting the death of a great statesman and good friend (Marshall Cobleigh) here are some links to his life I could post hundreds please check them out and read a little about this man it is a true loss to conservatism!

We Ain't Making Sausage Here
Politicker.com

232 MandyManners  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 12:46:16pm

re: #225 M. Bensson-Levi

With the way previous administrations, and the current administration, have failed to even realistically DEFINE the enemy that seeks to destroy our civilization, one way or another, you have every reason to be scared. That you have a young son, even the more so.

I do the best I can to raise a Christian child.

233 Billy Hank  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 12:47:57pm

re: #55 opnion

The biggest obvious lie Bush told during his Presidency was the "Islam is a religion of peace" whopper. You can understand the politics, but it sure did not lead to any internal examination that might have sparked a Reformation in Islam. Until these creatures think through what living on this planet with people who don't think like them means, we will be left with constant bloodshed and oppression as they always revert to their default position.

234 faraway  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 12:50:40pm

Try a raffle. $50 for lizard orgy.

235 Occasional Reader  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 12:51:33pm

re: #211 alegrias

* * *
Just to be clear, I am pro-baby all the way.

Just not pro tax-payer paid IVF treatments to rip-off artistes who already have 6 kids in everything goes California.

Just to be clear, my post was not in response to anything you wrote. Just riffing on the "creative billpaying"/"stimulus"/contraceptives thing that Pelosi justified by saying it would get rid of all those nasty underclass children.

236 monkeytime  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 12:55:59pm

re: #226 jimzinsocal

So what you are saying is that if Charles put up an ad/link for Amazon and we clicked on Amazon from here and then bought something then Charles would get some revenue? That would be awesome! I buy stuff from Amazon on a regular basis as I'm sure alot of people do.

237 zombie  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 12:58:34pm

re: #229 Killgore Trout

But I'll bet digital camera manufacturers/retailers would love to target photoblogs.

Perfect example.

238 diggernet  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 1:00:46pm

re: #236 monkeytime

As I understand it, the Amazon thing only gives the site money if you buy the specific item that the site links to. General links won't do it.

239 zombie  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 1:01:02pm

re: #224 Killgore Trout

That's why I think your idea would take very little start up money. It would be mostly an investment of time making calls. If someone had a little graphic design experience and a little HTLM knowledge it could easily be started as a one (or two) man operation.

re: #228 yma o hyd

Thats a really interesting idea, needs pursuing.
Mind - it looks like a lot of work, making those ads and placing them.
But its definitely something to work out in more detail.
Thats my gut feeling.

I'll have to add this idea to my gigantic list of "Things I NEED to do!"

And if anyone reading this wants to steal the "boutique individualized Web ad agglomerator" idea, be my guest -- because then I could take advantage of the company without having to create it myself!

240 jimzinsocal  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 1:01:45pm

Im guessing because Ive never talked to Reynolds about money.
But he simply does a post now and again that links to some Amazon item.
He's no dope and doesnt do it out of kindness.
I assume he gets an impression just like any display ad.
But its a easy on the eyes solution if Charles does the same.

Or? If need be? Subscription format of some sort?
Id be the first or second member to send Charles a 20 if it came to that.

241 jimzinsocal  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 1:08:23pm

^^for me it would be no different than supporting a Michael Totten or Yon.
Same service in my head.

242 Randall Gross  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 1:11:16pm

re: #223 zombie

Fashion? That's outta my league.

That's the point, it's not fashion... it's what people are really wearing as opposed to fashion.

243 zombie  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 1:29:25pm

re: #242 Thanos

That's the point, it's not fashion... it's what people are really wearing as opposed to fashion.

Yeah, but you mentioned Maiden Lane (I presume the one in San Francisco) which is an upscale fashion-oriented street -- style boutiques, rich ladies with fancy clothes strolling around, etc.

244 Prikolno  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 1:31:50pm

Running google adsense on a blog such as LGF or any other conservative website is not as easy as one might think.

You might end promoting something that you would not want to.
Google Adsense has an option to block upto 100 websites from showing ads on your blog, you will have to utilize that as much as possible.

245 Charles Johnson  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 1:32:45pm

re: #236 monkeytime

So what you are saying is that if Charles put up an ad/link for Amazon and we clicked on Amazon from here and then bought something then Charles would get some revenue? That would be awesome! I buy stuff from Amazon on a regular basis as I'm sure alot of people do.

Yes, that can be done -- in fact, here's the link to start shopping at Amazon's front page with the LGF affiliate ID:

Shop at Amazon

246 NY Nana  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 1:34:07pm

re: #147 ArmyWife

Who is the sperm donor?

/Bubba! Hmmm, might be Silky Pony...maybe they will do DNA testing.

247 jimzinsocal  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 1:40:37pm

re: #245 Charles

Yes, that can be done -- in fact, here's the link to start shopping at Amazon's front page with the LGF affiliate ID:

Shop at Amazon

There ya go. And be sure to click thru...and as good as Amazon's deals are? Buy the damn thing...

248 zombie  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 2:00:38pm

re: #244 Prikolno

Running google adsense on a blog such as LGF or any other conservative website is not as easy as one might think.

You might end promoting something that you would not want to.
Google Adsense has an option to block upto 100 websites from showing ads on your blog, you will have to utilize that as much as possible.

I once made a quickie post at zombietime (before I started zomblog) on this very topic:

Bizarre Google ads in Jerusalem Post:

These bizarre ads, supplied by Google, were displayed on the Jerusalem Post Web site on February 8, 2005:

Palestinian for sale.

249 jimzinsocal  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 2:16:51pm

re: #248 zombie

Palestinian for sale.

I dont think anyone really "runs" the google adsense bots.

They show up... sniff and attempt to make some match.
Sometime it works sometimes it doesnt.

As an an example. We all get the notion of what Distributed Computing/Folding
is. Yet Google adsense bots suggest "folding equipment" as if Folding is
some sort of mechanical thing...but stuff to handle paper... not shared computer usage.

250 jimzinsocal  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 2:43:51pm

To Tiger's point as expressed ^^

I dont know. I dont think its all about the economy but rather a changing model. The old model doesnt work anymore. Used to be based on page hits.
Any site that could document page hits were nearly guaranteed some rate
for display ads. based on page views.
More and more we seeing a lean to "time spent" criteria.
Or direct links/impressions that add up/ in a more direct way.

Blogs have gotten bigger as an enterprise.
The field has become watered down.

251 notutopia  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 3:52:48pm

Just made a contribution to the tip jar.
I too, did not know that purchases that we make on Amazon could generate a percentage to LGF.
Charles, I will inform my husband as well. We both order from Amazon.com.
Every little bit adds up!

252 DocDale  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 4:01:19pm

Charles, my blog is Australian based but I'd be very surprised if there isn't an equivalent ad business in the US. My ads are provided by 'doubleclick.com', and they are view ads (like the ads in newspapers and on television), not click ads like google. They were organised for me by an Australian broker who runs one of the most popular blogs in Oz -- but not as popular as LGF by a long shot. If necessary I can put the two of you in contact, but you may be able to approach doubleclick directly simply due to your size.

253 Render  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 4:11:09pm

What?!?

There's money to be made in this blogging thing?

SPOCK
EXPLAIN,
R

254 notutopia  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 6:52:31pm

via Confederate Yankee:

The Pajamas Media advertising network—responsible for those ads you generally ignore see in the sidebar over there to your right—is going the way of the digital dodo on March 31. Pajamas Media, the portal site that features news and opinion, is not closing. The blogfather, Glenn Reynolds, will still be found at [Link: pajamasmedia.com...]

Only the advertising network, which never made any money, is going away. Pajamas Media and PJTV.com live on, and are in an apparent expansion phase.


[Link: confederateyankee.mu.nu...]

255 badanov  Sun, Feb 1, 2009 10:14:31am

Just wanna see my icon

256 hans ze beeman  Sun, Feb 1, 2009 12:38:05pm

Dennis the Peasant is droolnig over this...

257 hans ze beeman  Sun, Feb 1, 2009 12:38:21pm

...err, drooling...


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