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1 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 12:32:51pm

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

2 Sharmuta  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 12:33:11pm

Pay raises, bonuses.... these things should be put before the electorate.

3 itellu3times  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 12:33:44pm

petty, petty, petty

4 Guanxi88  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 12:34:01pm

Now, is that $93K in today's dollars, or $93K in future (inflated) dollars, or is it $93K in commemorative Liberian proofs?

5 jcm  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 12:34:03pm
"There will be time for them to make profits, and there will be time
for them to get bonuses, now is not that time."

Obama

Can't lead his own party, how can he lead the nation?

6 nyc redneck  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 12:35:03pm

imagine how much they would have given themselves if their approval rating got out of single digits.

7 doppelganglander  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 12:35:21pm

That's more than I made last year (and most of us here, I'd venture). Disgusting.

8 MandyManners  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 12:35:29pm

That'd buy a few cashmere twin-sets.

Fucking hypocrites.

9 SummerSong  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 12:35:38pm

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10 Sharmuta  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 12:35:55pm

It's the American people who should be voting to give these people more money (if they deserve it) not themselves.

11 Mistercookie  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 12:35:55pm

Any Republicans support this? This can be yet another thing we can hold the Dems responsible for in 2010, but only if no Republicans were on board with it.

12 Occasional Reader  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 12:36:33pm

Is there some way I can actually invest in DC-area escort services? 'Cause they're gonna make a killing from this.

13 Guanxi88  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 12:36:37pm

re: #6 nyc redneck

imagine how much they would have given themselves if their approval rating got out of single digits.

Hell, I've been giving them a "single digit" for ages now; imagine most decent folk will continue to do so.

"I hope they can see this, because I'm doing it as hard as I can." _ Ignignokt.

14 stevieray  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 12:36:57pm

Plutocracy in action.

How does it feel to be a peon?

15 Dustyvet  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 12:37:23pm

According to a Congressional Record Service dated November 26, 2008, lawmakers will receive a 2.8 percent increase in pay next year, from $169,300 to $174,000.
Meanwhile, a senior receiving average benefits will get a $63 monthly increase to just $1,153 per month next year, bringing their annual total to $13,836. An estimated 12 percent of all seniors are living at or below the poverty line, and one-third of all beneficiaries depend on Social Security for 90 percent or more of their income.


[Link: www.marketwatch.com...]

16 Scion9  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 12:37:47pm

This is too hilarious after Obama's comments on those bonuses. I bet he is going to be outraged when he finds out about this. Outraged I say!

17 vapig  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 12:37:48pm

So it's not ok for CEO's to get bonus' but it's ok for the congres-critters? Do we get a veto now that we're (unwilling) stockholders in EVERYTHING?

18 SpaceJesus  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 12:38:28pm

when obama said he was bringing "change", what meaning of that word was he talking about?

19 Occasional Reader  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 12:38:50pm

re: #14 stevieray

Plutocracy in action.

How does it feel to be a peon?

I do, indeed, feel peed-on.

20 Cathypop  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 12:39:07pm

re: #11 Mistercookie

Any Republicans support this? This can be yet another thing we can hold the Dems responsible for in 2010, but only if no Republicans were on board with it.


If the Republicans would say "No Thanks" image what this would do for their ratings. I can get respect and vote for the Republican that refuses this raise and I am sure alot of Democrat voters would to.

21 Sharmuta  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 12:39:14pm

I vote Congress gives me $100,000 right now!

22 nyc redneck  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 12:39:17pm

it seems this stealing from the tax payers is becoming contagious.
it is vulgar how they are all grabbing OUR money.

23 jcm  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 12:39:18pm

re: #19 Occasional Reader

I do, indeed, feel peed-on.

Uh, oh.....
they are turning around.........

24 Dustyvet  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 12:39:30pm

re: #18 spacejesus

when obama said he was bringing "change", what meaning of that word was he talking about?

Petty cash. Very Petty...

25 Cato the Elder  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 12:39:50pm

That's more than a lot of families make in two years, and that's just the raise. How much do they make total?

And how many Republicans voted against it?

26 pat  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 12:40:01pm

Corrupt bastards

27 Cathypop  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 12:40:04pm

re: #15 Dustyvet

According to a Congressional Record Service dated November 26, 2008, lawmakers will receive a 2.8 percent increase in pay next year, from $169,300 to $174,000.
Meanwhile, a senior receiving average benefits will get a $63 monthly increase to just $1,153 per month next year, bringing their annual total to $13,836. An estimated 12 percent of all seniors are living at or below the poverty line, and one-third of all beneficiaries depend on Social Security for 90 percent or more of their income.


[Link: www.marketwatch.com...]

BASTARDS!

28 SpaceJesus  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 12:40:46pm

re: #24 Dustyvet

Petty cash. Very Petty...

apparently so, just a meager 93 large is all

29 IslandLibertarian  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 12:41:07pm

This isn't small CHANGE!
We are being screwed.
Time to take the gloves off.

Power to the Correct People!
(They are not thieves.)

30 Guanxi88  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 12:41:34pm

If this sort of nonsense keeps up - and it will - I think I'll need to get a third job, just to keep up with inflation and taxes. Wonder how I'd fit it in, though, and wonder if the boss would pay cash or precious metals.

31 Emperor Norton  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 12:41:46pm

Why is everybody in this clip yelling and waving their hands? Is this show broadcast from New York?

32 Dustyvet  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 12:41:51pm

re: #28 SpaceJesus

apparently so, just a meager 93 large is all

I've yet to see a congress critter refuse a raise...

33 SurferDoc  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 12:41:55pm

Stimulus is here and the pigs are elbowing their way to the trough.

34 Killian Bundy  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 12:42:36pm

But but, they're planning to more than offset this stipend increase with cuts in spending elsewhere.

/Defense Official: Obama Calling for Defense Budget Cuts

35 JacksonTn  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 12:42:53pm

It should be a law that BEFORE congress gets a raise ...they must send out a letter to all persons in their district advising them of what they are going to attempt ...because most Americans are not aware ...for whatever reason ...about congress salaries ...

36 NYCHardhat  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 12:43:08pm

FUCKING DEMOCRATS.

37 Guanxi88  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 12:43:08pm

re: #34 Killian Bundy

But but, they're planning to more than offset this stipend increase with cuts in spending elsewhere.

/Defense Official: Obama Calling for Defense Budget Cuts

yeah, a "peace dividend." We've heard that song before.

38 claire  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 12:43:12pm

Just tone-deaf these people are.

39 walahi  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 12:43:19pm

Yet another Democrat moment of 'Do as I say, not as I do'

40 IslandLibertarian  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 12:43:47pm

anyone remember "Off the Pigs!"?

41 Occasional Reader  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 12:43:54pm

re: #16 Scion9

This is too hilarious after Obama's comments on those bonuses. I bet he is going to be outraged when he finds out about this. Outraged I say!

Our Leader has already shown his dazzling capacity for Doublethink. Why, just this week, he mocked Washingtonians for being winter weather wimps one day, saying that we're not tough like him, 'cause he's from Chicago; and the very next day, justified (via his spokesman) keeping the thermostat cranked up to the mid-70s in the White House because, hey, he's from Hawaii, the poor dear, he's not used to cold weather.

42 NYCHardhat  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 12:44:15pm

re: #11 Mistercookie

Any Republicans support this? This can be yet another thing we can hold the Dems responsible for in 2010, but only if no Republicans were on board with it.

They're all fucked.

43 Dustyvet  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 12:44:24pm

re: #33 SurferDoc

Stimulus is here and the pigs are elbowing their way to the trough.

And here they are...


44 newsjunkie_ky  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 12:44:41pm

Hey, plastic surgery costs have gone way up lately.

45 Cathypop  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 12:45:00pm

Wonder what my boss would do if I walked in and said that I had voted to give myself a raise? After she laughed her ass off my ass would be out the door.

46 jwb7605  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 12:45:05pm

re: #40 IslandLibertarian

anyone remember "Off the Pigs!"?

I believe it may have been mentioned to Obama from a guy in his neighborhood.

47 the historian  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 12:45:55pm

The guy in the video that says we ought not have a Congress has it almost correct. As voters, we should do away with ALL professional career politicians in Congress at the very next election. We have it in our power to do so and, most importantly, we do not NEED any of these people. There are well over 300 million Americans from which to pick another 535 for the House and Senate. Our current "reprehensibles" should be put out to pasture as soon as possible.

48 Guanxi88  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 12:46:03pm

re: #41 Occasional Reader

Our Leader has already shown his dazzling capacity for Doublethink. Why, just this week, he mocked Washingtonians for being winter weather wimps one day, saying that we're not tough like him, 'cause he's from Chicago; and the very next day, justified (via his spokesman) keeping the thermostat cranked up to the mid-70s in the White House because, hey, he's from Hawaii, the poor dear, he's not used to cold weather.

The doublethink is the effort we have to make to understand why the two contradict each other and yet both are correct. For his followers, though, it's a simple thing; practice make perfect.

49 jimzinsocal  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 12:46:10pm

I just went off about this somewhere else.
And Team Obama has the nerve to create a task force to study "the middle class"
Like we are insects.
Now I see why.

50 Occasional Reader  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 12:46:55pm

re: #40 IslandLibertarian

Um, yes. It was a rallying cry that the William Ayers crowd used to call for the murder of policemen. Let's not revive it, 'kay?

51 IslandLibertarian  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 12:47:06pm

My office downsized, we all took pay cuts, I'm doing the work of those laid-off.........
"0", Pelousey, Ried, Frank, Dodd............. all FUCKIN' THIEVES!

52 Cathypop  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 12:47:15pm

re: #43 Dustyvet

Looks alot like a government employee at work.

53 walahi  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 12:47:29pm

re: #47 the historian

The guy in the video that says we ought not have a Congress has it almost correct. As voters, we should do away with ALL professional career politicians in Congress at the very next election. We have it in our power to do so and, most importantly, we do not NEED any of these people. There are well over 300 million Americans from which to pick another 535 for the House and Senate. Our current "reprehensibles" should be put out to pasture as soon as possible.

I have always advocated term limits for the legislature. I think more than 3 terms and its out the door for you.

54 jcm  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 12:47:29pm

re: #49 jimzinsocal

I just went off about this somewhere else.
And Team Obama has the nerve to create a task force to study "the middle class"
Like we are insects.
Now I see why.

To a Marxist the masses are a herd animal, to be studied, exploited, used and thrown away.

55 NervyNews  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 12:47:41pm

OT - just wanted to invite lizards to view a critique I did of CBS 60 Minutes recent Israel Smear piece by reporter Bob Simon. I hope you like it. See HERE.

56 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 12:47:43pm

re: #21 Sharmuta

I vote Congress gives me $100,000 right now!

I second that with an upraised [finger].

57 SummerSong  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 12:48:11pm

Flood their offices with complaints - tell everyone you know.

58 quickjustice  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 12:49:28pm

Why not? It's their job to spend other people's money! And in that game, the more, the merrier!
/

59 Sifty  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 12:49:43pm

Wankers.

Rush is right, politics is show business for the ugly and insane.

60 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 12:49:55pm

re: #56 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I second that with an upraised [finger].

Oh, and Shar? It is not even directed at you, for once.

61 IslandLibertarian  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 12:50:12pm

re: #50 Occasional Reader

mmmmmmmkay.......

62 MandyManners  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 12:50:28pm

I love all those shots of Pelosi.

63 SFGoth  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 12:50:49pm

I didn't think it possible I'd see a Republican majority in either chamber of Congress the rest of my lifetime (41 and eating a yummy salad), but damn, the way the O'dministration is shaping up (and we haven't even hit Lent yet), it may happen in '10. Hopefully we get a few honest, intelligent, capable, and libertarian-leaning GOPers in.

64 Dustyvet  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 12:51:42pm

re: #62 MandyManners

I love all those shots of Pelosi.

Ernest T hasn't tossed a brick in well over a week...

65 quickredfox  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 12:51:52pm

snarls angrily: grrrrrrrrrrrr

66 Bob Dillon  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 12:52:07pm

Oh come on. Are we really shocked and surprised? This is just business as usual for congress as it has been for a long, long time. And "we" keep re-electing them.

Some cheese with that whine?

Another call to action?

What will it take to really piss us off?

67 Guanxi88  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 12:52:14pm

re: #54 jcm

To a Marxist the masses are a herd animal, to be studied, exploited, used and thrown away.

Which is why they fear and study the middle class, the religious, and the libertarian. These groups, and others, refuse to fuse with the masses; they are a heterogeneous element. When you're trying to break the social order down into the leaders and the people, these elements become very troublesome.

Soviet Union had a technique they used - famine, purges, death.
Red Guard had their ways - beatings, torture, death
Khmer Rouge had their ways - torture, death

I think these new guys aren't gonna go all "terminal" like these others. With careful work and study, I'm sure they'll figure out a way to milk every last drop of wealth and wealth-creation from these "class enemies" without having to destroy the only productive elements within society.

So, higher taxes, more burdensome regulation, and ongoing vilification are the words of the day. Confiscation (already proposed for businesses that go off-shore) can't be too far behind.

68 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 12:52:50pm

What does a congress critter need with petty cash, anyway? They gotta buy stamps? They need a copier? Squeaky chair? WTF?

I don't understand. Also, this is an extra 93k?

69 faraway  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 12:52:54pm

Obama is a giant gaffe machine

70 AuntAcid  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 12:53:20pm

re: #38 claire

Just tone-deaf these people are.

Hey I got an idea. Let's put these people in charge of our healthcare system.

71 IslandLibertarian  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 12:53:22pm

re: #63 SFGoth

but damn, the way the O'dministration is shaping up

Rove, the incredible bastard?........nah, just Dem's being Dem's.

72 yma o hyd  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 12:53:26pm

So - have the Republicans made a stand and voted agaisnt it?

And as it'll go through - will they use this 'rise' and distribute it in their states, giving it to charities?

Might be good politics ...

73 Henchman Ghazi-808  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 12:53:30pm

HAHA Change you fools!

74 jwb7605  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 12:55:09pm

re: #68 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

What does a congress critter need with petty cash, anyway? They gotta buy stamps? They need a copier? Squeaky chair? WTF?

I don't understand. Also, this is an extra 93k?

Petty bribes.
/necessary?

75 quickredfox  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 12:55:12pm

re: #66 Bobibutu

And "we" keep re-electing them.

I do have the sorry consolation that I didn't elect any of this batch at least. I did vote, just not for any of these.

76 jimzinsocal  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 12:55:36pm

re: #54 jcm

To a Marxist the masses are a herd animal, to be studied, exploited, used and thrown away.

True I think. This big focus by Team Obama on the middle Class V The Wall St guys gives me the creeps.
Isolate one as the rat and go thru some song and dance routine like you care about the other you dont really know.

77 itellu3times  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 12:55:39pm

re: #4 Guanxi88

Now, is that $93K in today's dollars, or $93K in future (inflated) dollars, or is it $93K in commemorative Liberian proofs?

Obamabucks.

Good for unicorn rides, skittles, and hummos.

78 newsjunkie_ky  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 12:55:59pm

Also, go to the youtube link and rate it up and also send to email list. This will not be on the msm nightly news or the nyslimes.

79 littleoldlady  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 12:56:24pm

You know, the same thing happened in Pennsylvania a few years ago. There was such a hue and cry from the voters that the legislators were forced to rescind the pay raise they gave themselves. Even so, the smarter districts exchanged their reps for someone (anyone!) else in the next election.

/just sayin'

80 vagabond trader  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 12:56:44pm

Why stop at 93K, no one is watching.

81 A Man for all Seasons  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 12:57:21pm

OoooHHHHH! new app for Iphone..when you park your car you like press a button on the phone and it uses GPS to guide you back to it later.. I lost a rental at the Philly airport looking for an hour..everywhere...
killer app!

82 Dustyvet  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 12:57:32pm

re: #77 itellu3times

Obamabucks.

Good for unicorn rides, skittles, and hummos.

and candy floss...puffed air and sugar...

83 Ojoe  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 12:57:37pm

How. Very. Sad.

And there's no architecture design work here at the moment either,

and I'm watching my savings go down, and doing promotion full time.

Damn congress.

84 jhrhv  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 12:57:40pm

This must be their way of showing the Wall street crowd the correct and acceptable way to go about giving yourself a bonus during a recession Ie; try to hide it.

More do as we say not as we do demonrat policy.

85 Guanxi88  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 12:57:44pm

re: #77 itellu3times

Obamabucks.

Good for unicorn rides, skittles, and hummos.

I'll take the skittles and the hummus (but would prefer falafel)

86 Killian Bundy  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 12:57:53pm

re: #73 BigPapa

HAHA Change you fools!

/change you will pay for

87 monkeytime  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 12:58:37pm

WTF! I can't belive that within twenty minutes I read that O cut the Military budget 10% and now they give themselves a big FAT BONUS?
excuse me while I puke.

88 jcm  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 12:58:44pm

re: #67 Guanxi88

The question is what is the breaking point, when the "masses" get wise and toss this bunch out on their collective ear.

89 AuntAcid  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 12:59:31pm

re: #82 Dustyvet

and candy floss...puffed air and sugar...

...air guitars

90 Joan Not of Arc  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 12:59:32pm

Why doesn't that shock me?

91 A Man for all Seasons  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 12:59:36pm

re: #79 littleoldlady

You know, the same thing happened in Pennsylvania a few years ago. There was such a hue and cry from the voters that the legislators were forced to rescind the pay raise they gave themselves. Even so, the smarter districts exchanged their reps for someone (anyone!) else in the next election.

/just sayin'

{littleoldlady} I just dialed 9-11.. it's my heart! LOL Didn't think i'd see you at this hour..No fruitcup but yummy coffee and veggies and ranch dip.

92 Guanxi88  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 1:00:07pm

re: #83 Ojoe

How. Very. Sad.

And there's no architecture design work here at the moment either,

and I'm watching my savings go down, and doing promotion full time.

Damn congress.

Hang in there, amigo! Between the two jobs and the schooling, I'm trying to keep my little import house afloat. It's harder and harder to do, in part b/c the folks overseas have become very wary about contracts for more than about 90 days. There was this massive sea-change in attitude from them right after the New Year.

93 Ojoe  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 1:00:13pm

re: #88 jcm

Well I already tried that, you may say I'm a schemer, but I'm not the only one...

94 jcm  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 1:00:42pm

re: #76 jimzinsocal

True I think. This big focus by Team Obama on the middle Class V The Wall St guys gives me the creeps.
Isolate one as the rat and go thru some song and dance routine like you care about the other you dont really know.

Class warfare, basic Marxist operating procedures.

95 Guanxi88  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 1:01:41pm

re: #88 jcm

The question is what is the breaking point, when the "masses" get wise and toss this bunch out on their collective ear.

They're buying off the masses, with give-aways and attacks on their "class enemies," and our popular culture continues to sap the moral and cultural character that once made the American the most revolutionary person in human history.

Bread and circuses and all that.

96 Ojoe  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 1:01:43pm

re: #92 Guanxi88

In the long run the people whose work is of real direct benefit in the material world will do OK.

97 opinionated  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 1:02:42pm
"It's time to be patriotic... time to jump in, time to be part of the deal, time to help get America out of the rut."

Patriotism has a whole new meaning in the Age of Obama

98 Ojoe  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 1:02:48pm

re: #6 nyc redneck

Well they get a single digit approval from me ...

99 Scion9  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 1:03:17pm

re: #88 jcm

The question is what is the breaking point, when the "masses" get wise and toss this bunch out on their collective ear.

When the acceptable level of corruption spreads down to a personal level, and we have to fork over bribes to cops during roadside stops like happens in Mexico. When the Federal and State governments are no longer capable of providing domestic tranquility. Until then I wouldn't count on anyone waking up.

100 Dustyvet  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 1:03:27pm

re: #95 Guanxi88

They're buying off the masses, with give-aways and attacks on their "class enemies," and our popular culture continues to sap the moral and cultural character that once made the American the most revolutionary person in human history.

Bread and circuses and all that.

101 littleoldlady  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 1:03:37pm

re: #91 HoosierHoops

Hoosier! :-)

Drivin' by. ;-) You're making me hungry. (Must be dinnertime somewhere!)

102 Guanxi88  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 1:04:23pm

re: #96 Ojoe

In the long run the people whose work is of real direct benefit in the material world will do OK.

Always had great admiration for people who actually do or build things. Me? As your song line said, I'm just a schemer, a middle-man and go-between. It's not an ideal spot to be in all the time, but there are times when it's essential.

Your quote reminds me of a saying of the Sages, to the effect that the farmers, builders, and others are the sustainers of the world (lit. "the world is upon their backs").

103 Cheese Eating Victory Monkey  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 1:04:28pm

Outsource their jobs to India.
/sarc

104 Scion9  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 1:04:40pm

re: #95 Guanxi88

I could do with some bread and circuses. So far I haven't seen shit for anyone but friends of Democrats, who are all already rich and powerful.

105 ladycatnip  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 1:04:41pm

#88 jcm

The question is what is the breaking point, when the "masses" get wise and toss this bunch out on their collective ear.

How about 2012.

106 wolfie  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 1:05:06pm

re: #67 Guanxi88

Yes, but they won't be coming at any of us with jackboots and machine guns. It will all be NICE, for the children, y'no. Very nice.

107 quickredfox  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 1:05:34pm

re: #97 opinionated

Patriotism has a whole new meaning in the Age of Obama

It being patriotic to pay your taxes unless you are a well-placed Democrat.

108 Raven1  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 1:06:07pm

To quote Michelle Obama, This is the first time I have NOT been proud of my country. It is no longer the home of the brave, and the land of the free. I know there are millions of exceptions to this statement, our brave soldiers and informed lizaroids, BUT WTF!

109 jcm  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 1:06:10pm

re: #95 Guanxi88

They're buying off the masses, with give-aways and attacks on their "class enemies," and our popular culture continues to sap the moral and cultural character that once made the American the most revolutionary person in human history.

Bread and circuses and all that.

Same old, same old. The proletariate vs. the bourgeoisie.
It never ends well.

110 gmsc  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 1:06:10pm

re: #107 quickredfox

It being patriotic to pay your taxes unless you are a well-placed Democrat.

Let's not forget what we've learned over the past 8 years:

"He's not MY President, and never will be."
- Julia Roberts

"Dissent is the highest form of patriotism."
- Howard Zinn

"I am sick and tired of people who say that if you debate and you disagree with this administration somehow you're not patriotic."
- Hillary Clinton

111 BakaRanger  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 1:06:12pm

Let's give them crowns!

112 Guanxi88  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 1:06:26pm

re: #106 wolfie

Yes, but they won't be coming at any of us with jackboots and machine guns. It will all be NICE, for the children, y'no. Very nice.

See, that's how it'll have to be. As the system has become so very difficult to maintain effectively, the idea of destroying or overtly oppressing the ones who keep it working is destructive in the long-term.

113 wolfie  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 1:06:30pm

re: #72 yma o hyd

It would be excellent politics for every Republican to vote against this.
In fact, it would be soooo smart, they're unlikely to do it!

114 2-Drink Minimum  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 1:06:53pm

This is peanuts compared to other "perks" they receive. If their retirement package were to be rescinded to absolutely nothing but social security, I think we would find very few multiple term-ers in office. But that never seems to receive much press . . .

115 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 1:07:06pm

re: #111 BakaRanger

Let's give them crowns!

Thorns? Please!? Can it be thorns!?

116 jcm  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 1:07:22pm

re: #105 ladycatnip

#88 jcm

How about 2012.

'10, '10, House and Senate, block and gridlock BHO.

117 ladycatnip  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 1:07:25pm

#95 Guanxi88

They're buying off the masses, with give-aways and attacks on their "class enemies," and our popular culture continues to sap the moral and cultural character that once made the American the most revolutionary person in human history.

Bread and circuses and all that.

Sounds like they're following the Hugo Chavez playbook. Maybe the O is hoping to be president for life.

118 jwb7605  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 1:07:40pm

re: #88 jcm

The question is what is the breaking point, when the "masses" get wise and toss this bunch out on their collective ear.

You sound like Walter two threads ago here and here.
What a rant! I had to upding him.
He had to leave for theater duty. I hope he took blood pressure meds.

119 BakaRanger  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 1:07:41pm

re: #115 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Thorns? Please!? Can it be thorns!?

Consider it done!

120 Guanxi88  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 1:07:44pm

re: #109 jcm

Same old, same old. The proletariate vs. the bourgeoisie.
It never ends well.

And yet, it is the most commonly practice technique of tyranny, for the simple reason that it works.

121 HippieforLife  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 1:08:10pm

Just what does a congress person spend "petty cash" on?
How does this help their constituents?

122 A Man for all Seasons  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 1:08:17pm

re: #101 littleoldlady

Hoosier! :-)

Drivin' by. ;-) You're making me hungry. (Must be dinnertime somewhere!)

If you don't eat crappy food sometimes you get to eat healthy foods all the time..Saw the movie Gran Torino last night..we did diinner and the movie thing. I could only give it 3 out of 5 stars..I thought Clint just went over the top in every scene...I liked him in million dollar baby better..more depth to the character...And the gangsters were laughable and kindof cartoonish..

123 AuntAcid  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 1:08:21pm

re: #106 wolfie

Yes, but they won't be coming at any of us with jackboots and machine guns. It will all be NICE, for the children, y'no. Very nice.

yes...mustn't startle the horses either.

124 kawfytawk  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 1:08:28pm

ok, this is the first I have heard about this BS 93K....is it part of the stimulus? Is it a bill that has been voted on? If so, how can I find out what my congressmen did on this?

125 quickjustice  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 1:08:34pm

re: #66 Bobibutu

The American people elected Obama hoping for positive change. We at LGF are political junkies, and we've picked up the indicators that he's already failing well before most Americans have figured it out. Even Peggy Noonan bemoans his "missed opportunity" with the stimulus bill. She calls the congressional Democrats "slobs".

[Link: online.wsj.com...]

Peggy's way too kind. She's right, however, about Obama and this disastrous piece of legislation. He'll win in the short term, but in the long term, the crap in this bill will shake out to his detriment. I won't be shedding any tears.

126 Guanxi88  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 1:08:43pm

re: #117 ladycatnip

#95 Guanxi88

Sounds like they're following the Hugo Chavez playbook. Maybe the O is hoping to be president for life.

Hey, it worked for Hugo and the others, why not for Barry? And given Hugo's popularity among obamatrons, it might be a natural.

127 jcm  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 1:08:45pm

re: #113 wolfie

It would be excellent politics for every Republican to vote against this.
In fact, it would be soooo smart, they're unlikely to do it!

They did okay on the stim package.

128 jhrhv  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 1:08:59pm

I wonder what the kos kids have to say about the thermostat at 77, a 93k bonus and people freezing to death in Kentucky cue the crickets.

And where is the One through all this? Seems pretty quiet from the office of the POTUS. He must be getting ready for his Super Sunday bash.

129 wolfie  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 1:09:18pm

re: #80 vagabond trader

Why stop at 93K, no one is watching.

Exactly. It's not like the MSM is going to make an issue out of this.
And if they don't make an issue out of it, well, it's not an issue.

130 ladycatnip  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 1:09:32pm

#116 jcm

re: #105 ladycatnip

#88 jcm

How about 2012.

'10, '10, House and Senate, block and gridlock BHO.

You're right! If the GOP gets some backbone, maybe there will be a wholesale change. I hope so.

131 yma o hyd  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 1:09:54pm

re: #113 wolfie

It would be excellent politics for every Republican to vote against this.
In fact, it would be soooo smart, they're unlikely to do it!

I know - its the same here.
Opposition parties make a big outcry - and then take the money as well.

Watch how its going to be played out in the MFM: 'Its only a 2.9% rise, its not so very much ...'

Yeah - 1% of a million is stilll much more than 1% of ten thousand smackeroos ...

132 capitalist piglet  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 1:10:12pm

Democrats being Democrats...because they can. The Republicans ought to loudly refuse this.

Oh, and by the way - your taxes are going up.

133 jcm  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 1:10:28pm

re: #120 Guanxi88

And yet, it is the most commonly practice technique of tyranny, for the simple reason that it works.

We'll see if the anti-tyranny gene survives in the American genome.

134 Guanxi88  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 1:11:02pm

re: #133 jcm

We'll see if the anti-tyranny gene survives in the American genome.

I hope it does; I'd like to believe it does.

135 Bob Dillon  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 1:11:09pm

re: #87 monkeytime

WTF! I can't belive that within twenty minutes I read that O cut the Military budget 10% and now they give themselves a big FAT BONUS?
excuse me while I puke.

11%

136 kawfytawk  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 1:11:21pm

re: #124 kawfytawk

anybody?

137 kingkenrod  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 1:11:24pm

I saw a story on Fox News about this a couple of days ago. There was a GOP congressman who returns about 10% of his operating budget every year - I forget his name.

A lot of congresspeople use their budgets to send "non-political" mailers to voters in their districts to let voters know what a great job their congress critter is doing. I used to get one from that asshole Nick Lampson every month. It's little more than a scheme to keep name recognition high. I guarantee that $93,000 will be used exactly for this kind of advertising.

138 wolfie  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 1:12:03pm

re: #99 Scion9

When the acceptable level of corruption spreads down to a personal level, and we have to fork over bribes to cops during roadside stops like happens in Mexico. When the Federal and State governments are no longer capable of providing domestic tranquility. Until then I wouldn't count on anyone waking up.

And then it's too late.

139 Dustyvet  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 1:12:09pm

re: #101 littleoldlady

Hoosier! :-)

Drivin' by. ;-) You're making me hungry. (Must be dinnertime somewhere!)

Image: CatCookies.jpg

140 jcm  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 1:12:14pm

re: #134 Guanxi88

I hope it does; I'd like to believe it does.

I believe it does.

141 Scion9  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 1:13:16pm

re: #128 jhrhv

I wonder what the kos kids have to say about the thermostat at 77, a 93k bonus and people freezing to death in Kentucky cue the crickets.

They resort to the same tired old tu quoque arguments. They don't justify anything, but simply deflect the argument back with a list of what the 'Other guys' have done over the years.

142 SummerSong  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 1:13:34pm

Obama brother arrested over cannabis possession


NAIROBI (AFP) — US President Barack Obama's Kenyan half brother George was arrested on charges of possession of cannabis, police sources said Saturday.

George Obama was arrested on Friday with cannabis, known locally as bhang, and was placed in custody, a senior police officer told AFP on condition of anonymity.

"He was picked up in Nairobi's Huruma area with three other young men," the officer said, adding they were due to appear in court on Monday.

In his memoir, the new US president describes meeting his half brother as "a painful affair". George Obama was one of the few close relatives who did not attend the president's January 20 inauguration ceremony in Washington.

[Link: www.google.com...]

143 avanti  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 1:13:38pm

OK, I've searched high and low for a recently passed bill that showed the increase. Is it possible that it's a automatic adjustment to the 1.2-1.6 million allocated a year for all expenses related to the office ? If it is not, can we get a link to a bill and the vote.

144 SurferDoc  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 1:13:41pm

re: #122 HoosierHoops

If you don't eat crappy food sometimes you get to eat healthy foods all the time..Saw the movie Gran Torino last night..we did diinner and the movie thing. I could only give it 3 out of 5 stars..I thought Clint just went over the top in every scene...I liked him in million dollar baby better..more depth to the character...And the gangsters were laughable and kindof cartoonish..

As mush as I love Clint, his stuff is often formulaic. Reminds me of John Wayne's later movies. Fun but familiar.

145 Dustyvet  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 1:13:44pm
146 jcm  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 1:14:03pm

re: #138 wolfie

And then it's too late.

We start again, that's all we start again.

147 Bob Dillon  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 1:14:08pm

re: #125 quickjustice

Right! Nor I.

Just feeling a little cynical today. ;-)

148 Summer Seale  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 1:14:50pm

Well I got flamed on Hot Air a few nights ago for agreeing with Obama somewhat that the CEO bonuses were way out of line.

Along those same lines, I'd say this move is fucking treason.

149 kawfytawk  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 1:14:55pm

re: #143 avanti

ditto

150 Guanxi88  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 1:14:59pm

re: #140 jcm

I believe it does.

There are times, though, when I begin to wonder whether that particular cultural gene is either diluted in the population as a whole, or whether its expression has been prevented by certain exogeneous factors. The fastest growth in population in this nation is from new arrivals (and their children) whose homelands are not generally known to be well-springs of liberty,

151 Raven1  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 1:15:03pm

Our political system is broken. Term limits is the answer. The corrupt left would never allow term limits. They need ignorant voters to keep their power. A pox on them all.

152 wolfie  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 1:15:26pm

re: #127 jcm

We got HOPE !

153 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 1:15:41pm

re: #103 Cheese Eating Victory Monkey

Outsource their jobs to India.
/sarc

"Hello, My name is Sanji. How may I offer you an excellent fucking over today?"

154 kawfytawk  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 1:16:13pm

re: #143 avanti

avanti....lemme know if you find it...I would appreciate it

155 Natasha  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 1:16:16pm

Oh, how wonderful. The Politburo is getting a raise! Poor babies, they were direly in need of it! Holy cow, my frequent cracks about US turning into the USSR are no longer hyperbole. I think I will open that bottle of Chopin vodka now and chug it. Who knows how long I will be able to afford quality alcohol? I'll be too busy slaving away to buy it for my "betters". Is it too early to hoist the proverbial black flag? Just askin' :)

156 MandyManners  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 1:16:57pm

re: #111 BakaRanger

Let's give them crowns!

They'd just melt the gold down to spend on hookers.

157 Racer X  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 1:17:00pm

THIS is how Socialism works.

Why are we surprised?

158 itellu3times  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 1:17:03pm

re: #103 Cheese Eating Victory Monkey

Outsource their jobs to India.

How can we outsource the jobs, when the number one duty of our representatives is constituent service ... customer service .... hey waitaminute!

159 Sharmuta  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 1:17:14pm

re: #21 Sharmuta

I vote Congress gives me $100,000 right now!

Where's my money?

160 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 1:17:22pm

re: #156 MandyManners

Brilliant.

161 A Man for all Seasons  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 1:17:30pm

re: #144 SurferDoc

As mush as I love Clint, his stuff is often formulaic. Reminds me of John Wayne's later movies. Fun but familiar.

Hi Doc..The Hoosiers are playing Ohio State tough right now..1st half..I really like their new coach..Crean.. I expect Indiana to make the final 4 in about 3-4 years..

162 SurferDoc  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 1:18:48pm

re: #161 HoosierHoops

Hi Doc..The Hoosiers are playing Ohio State tough right now..1st half..I really like their new coach..Crean.. I expect Indiana to make the final 4 in about 3-4 years..

Hi, HH! I'm up in the mountains with no TV today. Enjoy it for me!

163 MandyManners  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 1:19:18pm

re: #153 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

"Hello, My name is Sanji. How may I offer you an excellent fucking over today?"

LOL!

164 Racer X  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 1:19:25pm

re: #142 SummerSong

Obama brother arrested over cannabis possession

NAIROBI (AFP) — US President Barack Obama's Kenyan half brother George was arrested on charges of possession of cannabis, police sources said Saturday.

George Obama was arrested on Friday with cannabis, known locally as bhang, and was placed in custody, a senior police officer told AFP on condition of anonymity.

"He was picked up in Nairobi's Huruma area with three other young men," the officer said, adding they were due to appear in court on Monday.

In his memoir, the new US president describes meeting his half brother as "a painful affair". George Obama was one of the few close relatives who did not attend the president's January 20 inauguration ceremony in Washington.

[Link: www.google.com...]

Is this the same guy Rush wanted us to feel sorry for and send him money to embarrass Obama? I guess he spent the money he got.

165 vagabond trader  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 1:19:40pm

So devious, involve everyone in the free for all so no one can say ouch when we wake up in the middle of the operation.

166 MandyManners  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 1:19:47pm

re: #159 Sharmuta

Where's my money?

The unicorn bearing it should be knocking on your door soon.

167 Natasha  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 1:20:09pm

re: #156 MandyManners

They'd just melt the gold down to spend on hookers.


Heck, I have more respect for hookers than I do for these schmucks. At least hookers earn their money, by providing a useful (if morally dubious) service.

168 Sharmuta  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 1:20:41pm

re: #166 MandyManners

The unicorn bearing it should be knocking on your door soon.

Wonderful!

169 Scion9  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 1:21:02pm

re: #151 Raven1

I don't think term limits come close to being an answer unfortunately. Much more is needed.

170 opnion  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 1:21:06pm

Catherin Herridge on FNC did a piece last night on Gitmo.
She was there interviewing a Marine Lt Colonel who took her on tour.
These detainees love much better than our general prison population & better than many average Americans.
They like TV, Americas most dangerous jobs & ya ready cartoons!
Carfreakingtoons! Cold blooded killers with the mental capacity of eight year olds.
On one of there programs a Palmolive dish soap commercial featured a woman rolling up he sleeves to do dishes. Mohammad's finest got all agitated & destroyed the TV. Yo Barry, just let em loose.

171 vagabond trader  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 1:21:23pm

re: #167 Natasha

They are certainly more honest than our so called public servants.

172 JohnAdams  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 1:21:56pm

Haven't posted in a while but just wanted to chime in and say that I WANT ALL OF THESE MOTHER ERS OUT!

How is it that any of these greedy corrupt pigs get re-elected? The answer that I'm coming to is that we have the exact government that a majority of our fellow citizens deserve. Most of the present company notwithstanding, that is the sad, depressing truth about our country.

173 Mezzetino  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 1:22:03pm

Welcome to the New World Ordure. :-P
Don't get mad at Congress, people... whaddaya expect? Stay mad at the pr*ck in the next cubicle who voted these clowns into office.

174 monkeytime  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 1:22:13pm

re: #167 Natasha

Heck, I have more respect for hookers than I do for these schmucks. At least hookers earn their money, by providing a useful (if morally dubious) service.

The only difference between congress and hookers is that hookers tell you up front what it will cost you to get screwed.

175 SurferDoc  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 1:22:33pm

Thread migration on 3. Down. Set. Hut..hut...hut.../

176 callahan23  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 1:22:45pm

re: #144 SurferDoc

As mush as I love Clint, his stuff is often formulaic. Reminds me of John Wayne's later movies. Fun but familiar.

How about some basic 'Dirty Harry' Callahan?
Seen my nic and avatar?!?

177 Raven1  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 1:22:51pm

re: #169 Scion9

I think term limits would do more good than bad. What would you suggest?

178 kawfytawk  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 1:23:08pm

re: #174 monkeytime

The only difference between congress and hookers is that hookers tell you up front what it will cost you to get screwed.

LOL

179 capitalist piglet  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 1:23:45pm

re: #146 jcm

We start again, that's all we start again.

A bit OT, but have you heard anything about the proposal of government helping out the PI? I don't know at what level (King Co., Seattle, or what), but I think there has been a formal proposal to throw them a lifeline.

Unreal.

180 jcm  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 1:24:01pm

re: #143 avanti

OK, I've searched high and low for a recently passed bill that showed the increase. Is it possible that it's a automatic adjustment to the 1.2-1.6 million allocated a year for all expenses related to the office ? If it is not, can we get a link to a bill and the vote.

Okay, we've spent a lot of time giving you links which you either ignore or dismiss as "out of context."

It's time for you to pony up.

181 SurferDoc  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 1:24:05pm

re: #176 callahan23

How about some basic 'Dirty Harry' Callahan?
Seen my nic and avatar?!?

I missed that! That is very cool! I do have a Model 29.... ;)

182 MandyManners  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 1:24:09pm

re: #167 Natasha

Heck, I have more respect for hookers than I do for these schmucks. At least hookers earn their money, by providing a useful (if morally dubious) service.

A real bang for your buck.

183 salt1907  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 1:24:17pm

Mark Steyn predicted today's Drudge headline one month ago.

184 jcm  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 1:25:04pm

re: #179 capitalist piglet

A bit OT, but have you heard anything about the proposal of government helping out the PI? I don't know at what level (King Co., Seattle, or what), but I think there has been a formal proposal to throw them a lifeline.

Unreal.

Olympia was talking bailout.

185 vagabond trader  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 1:25:17pm

Hell, my husband was talking to a couple of "gun nut" (their own self reference) co-workers, and THEY don't believe that The Obama hates the 2nd amendment.He made copies of Eric Holders positions to give them, but WTF?

186 callahan23  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 1:26:33pm

I envy you so much. I can't own such, I live across the pond. :-(

187 jcm  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 1:26:49pm

re: #185 vagabond trader

Hell, my husband was talking to a couple of "gun nut" (their own self reference) co-workers, and THEY don't believe that The Obama hates the 2nd amendment.He made copies of Eric Holders positions to give them, but WTF?

In 1996 President Elect Obama answering a question from the Independent Voters of Illinois:
35. Do you support state legislation to:
a. Ban the manufacture, sale and possession of handguns? Yes.
b. Ban assault weapons? Yes.
c. Mandatory waiting periods and background checks? Yes.

Link on my blog at my nic.

188 capitalist piglet  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 1:27:37pm

re: #184 jcm

Olympia was talking bailout.

Breathtaking. They should just rename the effing the Pravda and get it over with.

189 Seax  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 1:27:40pm

Did not the magnificent 'O' say something about
using(taking) money to help others?
Might as well start at the top...
/

190 capitalist piglet  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 1:28:26pm

re: #188 capitalist piglet

Breathtaking. They should just rename the effing the thing Pravda and get it over with.

Typo. Sorry. I'm feeling more and more hopeless.

191 SurferDoc  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 1:28:35pm

re: #186 callahan23

I envy you so much. I can't own such, I live across the pond. :-(

I truly feel for you. If you ever come over here, the ammo is on me.

192 A Man for all Seasons  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 1:28:52pm

re: #176 callahan23

How about some basic 'Dirty Harry' Callahan?
Seen my nic and avatar?!?

That character had some nice depth..had anger, self control, humor..ect..
Even in million dollar baby..the character showed a depth with questioning and a little weakness..something that makes you want to like him even if he is being the bad guy at the moment..
It seems in Gran Torino that if he didn't really have anything to say he just growled..grrrrr...it got old..hey I know you are a bitter old man..so was Archie Bunker..a great writer brings the story to life..

193 ArmyWife  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 1:29:15pm

uh oh! Google goes mad! (says Drudge)

[Link: www.telegraph.co.uk...]

194 avanti  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 1:29:27pm

re: #180 jcm

Okay, we've spent a lot of time giving you links which you either ignore or dismiss as "out of context."

It's time for you to pony up.

I've tried every search term I can think of to find a bill, any idea's ? Still looking though.

195 wolfie  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 1:30:13pm

re: #150 Guanxi88

There are times, though, when I begin to wonder whether that particular cultural gene is either diluted in the population as a whole, or whether its expression has been prevented by certain exogeneous factors. The fastest growth in population in this nation is from new arrivals (and their children) whose homelands are not generally known to be well-springs of liberty,

The cultural "gene" has been severely diluted by indigenous factors, namely, education, media, judicial deconstruction,and the welfare state. The problem is not so much with immigrants themselves as with the natives who teach them teach them to play victim ......and point them to the trough.

196 kawfytawk  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 1:30:44pm

re: #180 jcm

Can I have the links...clicked on "show links" and didn't see any that referred to the 93k "stipend"....not trying to be an ass or anything but I would really like to know what my congressmen had to say about all of this

197 2-Drink Minimum  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 1:30:56pm

re: #157 Racer X

Ahhh yes, some are more equal than others.

198 rightymouse  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 1:30:58pm
Banks closing, millions of homes in foreclosure, a major recession; so what does the Democrat-controlled Congress do? They give every member an extra $93,000 in petty cash.

They need to give me $93,000 in cash. At least I'd pay the taxes on it.

Seriously, though. What is going through Pelosi's head? This is elitism on steroids.

199 offendi  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 1:31:21pm

I really don't understand the problem you people are having here. We will all be able to form massive lines at government distribution centers to get bread and cheese stamped with the likeness of our great President. It will be social and patriotic.

The lucky among us will get to wear those spiffy Obama "Civil Defense" force uniforms and we will then bring in the rest of you to the new "Stimulus Re-Education Centers" to assist you in seeing things properly.

Sop your carping, it will still be great to live in the United States of Zimbabwe America.

200 SurferDoc  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 1:31:25pm

re: #183 salt1907

Mark Steyn predicted today's Drudge headline one month ago.

From a link there:

"For Democrats, toughness is reserved only for domestic opponents - not foreign enemies. The domestic enemy (capitalists, homeschoolers, Christians, crime victims, taxpayers, boy scouts, heterosexuals, flag wavers, etc.) must be fought "on the beaches," "in the fields," "in the streets" and "in the hills." The left "shall never surrender."

But with foreign opponents, all such toughness disappears. Obama wants only to meet with foreign dictators and terror supporters, no matter how odious and no matter how counterproductive such meetings will be. To Chavez, Ahmedinejad and Kim Jong Il, Obama offers neither a knife fight nor a gun fight. The knives and guns are reserved solely for Americans. In response to Kim Jong Il's endorsement of Obama, Obama supporters in this country - instead of pausing to rethink their positions in light of such foul company - immediately prayed for the death of Michelle Malkin. Such policy is not unique to Obama or to 2008."

201 brookly red  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 1:31:28pm

I don't know, but my disaproval is second only to my fear of expressing it...

202 quickredfox  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 1:31:38pm

re: #179 capitalist piglet

A bit OT, but have you heard anything about the proposal of government helping out the PI? I don't know at what level (King Co., Seattle, or what), but I think there has been a formal proposal to throw them a lifeline.

Unreal.

After all the support they've given "The I Won" and those of like mind, the powers-that-be of similar like mind couldn't just leave them to suffer, now could they?/

203 callahan23  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 1:31:57pm

re: #191 SurferDoc

I truly feel for you. If you ever come over here, the ammo is on me.

I'm actually thinking of relocating. (green card, et.al.!) Not yet in the final stages of planning though.

204 [deleted]  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 1:32:51pm
205 Maximu§  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 1:33:32pm

There once a time when public servants did their duty in Congress and the Senate. They tried to make America a little better, a little stronger and when their term was over, they went back to their private business's.

206 SurferDoc  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 1:33:32pm

re: #203 callahan23

I'm actually thinking of relocating. (green card, et.al.!) Not yet in the final stages of planning though.

I hope it works out for you.

207 callahan23  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 1:34:45pm

re: #192 HoosierHoops

That character had some nice depth..had anger, self control, humor..ect..


Which was exactly my point in choosing my nic.

208 pianobuff  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 1:36:07pm

re: #199 offendi

I really don't understand the problem you people are having here. We will all be able to form massive lines at government distribution centers to get bread and cheese stamped with the likeness of our great President. It will be social and patriotic.

The lucky among us will get to wear those spiffy Obama "Civil Defense" force uniforms and we will then bring in the rest of you to the new "Stimulus Re-Education Centers" to assist you in seeing things properly.

Sop your carping, it will still be great to live in the United States of Zimbabwe America.

I'm gonna get me one of those Obama commemorative coin sets too!

209 brookly red  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 1:36:08pm

Wait a second... 93k... hmmmmm, if it was in fifty's that would just about fill an average freezer.

210 [deleted]  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 1:36:45pm
211 callahan23  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 1:36:46pm

re: #206 SurferDoc

I hope it works out for you.

Thanks a million.

212 Lanzman  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 1:37:29pm

Aaah, we can always count on Congress to find the real priority issue in any situation, can't we?

213 callahan23  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 1:37:34pm

BBL

214 Maximu§  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 1:37:51pm

Obama said he wants create millions of "jobs", but it looks like he will create millions of new Government Jobs that are unionized.

215 jwb7605  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 1:37:55pm

re: #205 Maximu§

There once a time when public servants did their duty in Congress and the Senate. They tried to make America a little better, a little stronger and when their term was over, they went back to their private business's.

Hank Brown
Self declared term-limiter.
He kept his word, then kept his word again at the University of Colorado by filling in temporarily when they needed a quick fix for the fiasco that was named Elizabeth Hoffman.

216 A Man for all Seasons  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 1:37:57pm

re: #207 callahan23

Which was exactly my point in choosing my nic.

Thats great..nobody asks why i picked my nic :)
it was a toss up between 72 virgins and hoosierhoops...
/

217 Sharmuta  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 1:38:30pm

re: #210 Iron Fist

I have two plans for the economy.

Every American is given $200,000 to spend as they see fit.

The other plan.... legalize it.

218 FrogMarch  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 1:39:20pm

Tax cheats and stolen elections. Now this.

The Democrats Corruptocrats are above the law.

219 vagabond trader  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 1:39:45pm

re: #214 Maximu§

and those who don't get special jobs will be dependent on the ones who do.

220 avanti  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 1:40:11pm

re: #196 kawfytawk

Can I have the links...clicked on "show links" and didn't see any that referred to the 93k "stipend"....not trying to be an ass or anything but I would really like to know what my congressmen had to say about all of this

I checked the few bills passed by the new congress, even all the amendments and still nothing. I'll keep looking, but it may have been have previously authorized increase. Nothing on Fox either, still looking.

221 offendi  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 1:40:13pm

re: #210 Iron Fist

I want my bailout, too. I'm not asking for much. Only $5 million dollars cash money. It would be a bargain at twice the price, so if they want to give me $10 million, then I will take it.

In the interest of helping the economy, of course. And the Children™.

The only way you are getting it is if you work for Acorn.

222 A Man for all Seasons  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 1:40:41pm

re: #217 Sharmuta

I have two plans for the economy.

Every American is given $200,000 to spend as they see fit.

The other plan.... legalize it.

Finally I can get that yellow Beemer I've always wanted!
Thank you Sharm..I love your plan

223 jcm  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 1:41:30pm

re: #204 Iron Fist

That will get very messy. The fight over such issues as abortion and handgun possession alone would make forging a new Constitution that everyone can live with pretty much impossible. This will happen at a grass roots level even if the Republicans pussy out like they usually do when confronted with recalcitrant Democrats.

I don't think that, as a practical matter, it could be done again. The Union would be irrevocably shattered as Left Coast and northeast Blue States enact far Left laws and try to impose them on the rest of the nation, while the Red heartland would try to install a Right to Life policy that the Left would find intolerable.

It'd be like the gay marriage debate, only writ large; instead of effecting less than 5% of the population it will drastically impact 95% of the population (or even more than 95%). As I've said before, when Democrats use the term "bipartisan" they really mean that the Republicans give them everything they want, and the Republicans get nothing of any real value in return.

That dog won't hunt, if we are trying to reunite a splintered Union.

I was speaking of a return to original principals.... not an EU constitution.
But I'm an eternal optimist.

224 Maximu§  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 1:41:58pm

re: #215 jwb7605

Hank Brown
Self declared term-limiter.
He kept his word, then kept his word again at the University of Colorado by filling in temporarily when they needed a quick fix for the fiasco that was named Elizabeth Hoffman.

These days, our leaders think its a lifetime position and when they get out they become lobbyists.

225 FrogMarch  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 1:47:31pm

We have the most dysfunctional economically illiterate tone deaf congress, ever. They are useless power hungry out-of-touch-- could never survive in the private sector, could never actually produce a useful product and give a man a job -- assholes. As they take a hot steamy dumb all over the economy they tell businesses they dare not make a profit.

Good luck with that, Democrats Corruptocrats.
No matter, they can cheat to win at the ballot box, so bend over, America. This is your future.

226 FortunateSon  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 1:47:38pm

Good thing I'm looking into politics. Someone (de Tocqueville?) talked about voters voting themselves the keys to the treasury, but this? We elected these people!

And from a party that's so wrapped up in symbolic gestures...

227 FrogMarch  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 1:48:10pm

dumb = dump

228 Natasha  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 1:48:25pm

re: #217 Sharmuta

I have two plans for the economy.

Every American is given $200,000 to spend as they see fit.

The other plan.... legalize it.

Sharmuta for President. Now!

229 Maximu§  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 1:48:36pm

Sorry, but I see a Revolution coming down the pike....perhaps within 10 years.

I'm not sure if its reparations for Slavery, 77% taxation on $100,000 couples or seizure of private guns that will trigger it, but its coming. My side is well armed and adept with weapons, so it will be short and sweet.

230 FortunateSon  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 1:49:24pm

re: #229 Maximu§

Hopefully it's just a tax revolution, but if not, may I ask what you're packing?

231 [deleted]  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 1:50:40pm
232 satan sidekick  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 1:50:52pm

I think the dinner plate where Obama's "kind eyes" look back at you is a much better choice than the coins, don't you?
re: #208 pianobuff

233 Maximu§  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 1:50:56pm

re: #230 FortunateSon

Hopefully it's just a tax revolution, but if not, may I ask what you're packing?

I won't say in an open forum.

234 Moonbat Serenade  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 1:51:22pm

re: #19 Occasional Reader

I do, indeed, feel peed-on.

That's why you should always stand upwind of a member of Congress. They HATE blowback.

235 Outrider  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 1:51:44pm

All while cutting $55 billion from the military 2010 budget. (shaking head)

236 Sharmuta  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 1:52:06pm

re: #228 Natasha

I've considered joking about legalizing marijuana as a stimulus before today, but the more I think on it, the more I think it should be given more consideration than a mere joke.

There's a lot of money and resources the government spends on the war on drugs that could be spent elsewhere if our law enforcement officers weren't chasing down potheads.

Plus- think of the taxes the government could rake in on this one product alone.

237 FrogMarch  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 1:52:47pm

OBAMA’S PLAN HAS ALREADY BOOSTED TAX COLLECTIONS!

“The president’s plan is simple but ingenious,” said White House spokesman Robert Gibbs, “He targets wealthy individuals who filed inaccurate tax forms, cheating the government out of tens of thousands of dollars. Then he just nominates them for cabinet positions. They suddenly see the error of their ways, and they cut checks for the full amount owed, plus interest.”

238 Sharmuta  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 1:53:14pm

Come on, 0bama- legalize it. You will be the most popular President in history!

239 FortunateSon  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 1:54:32pm

re: #233 Maximu§

Fair enough. Though...they already have my paperwork. Drat.

240 Ziggy  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 1:55:18pm

Time is near for pitch-forks and torches.

241 who is john galt  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 1:55:52pm

re: #88 jcm

The question is what is the breaking point, when the "masses" get wise and toss this bunch out on their collective ear.

The "masses" have just found out they can steal my money just by voting for the correct poli-thug.
Not to mention that with acorn and others being funded by the thug-ocracy, we may turn our gaze fondly upon the time when voter rolls and votes needed to match to be counted.

242 Natasha  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 1:56:07pm

re: #236 Sharmuta

I've considered joking about legalizing marijuana as a stimulus before today, but the more I think on it, the more I think it should be given more consideration than a mere joke.

There's a lot of money and resources the government spends on the war on drugs that could be spent elsewhere if our law enforcement officers weren't chasing down potheads.

Plus- think of the taxes the government could rake in on this one product alone.

While I do not partake, myself, due to job requirements, I absolutely agree with you. I think it should be legal, like alcohol. The apparently silly marijuana laws, though, serve a purpose, and it is of gaining more power over the citizens. Make enough people into criminals, and you can control them. Hence, all the stupid laws and regulations that are being passed, left and right. All for "our own good", of course.

243 Natasha  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 1:58:40pm

May I start typing "them asses" instead of "the masses"? It is a grammatical atrocity, but it is so much more accurate! Do I need to get a special dispensation from GoddessOfTheClassroom for this? ;)

244 PISSED  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 1:59:14pm

Somebody please make sure to post when the Revolution starts because I WILL be apart of it.. this crap has got to stop.. I can't believe the wool that has been pulled over some peoples eyes, they just have blind faith in the messiah and his minions .. God help us..

245 satan sidekick  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 1:59:22pm

re: #240 Ziggy

I've had my torch and pitchfork ready to roll since Jan 20th. I knew it wasnt going to take very long. The libs typically have poor self-control and trip over their dicks too soon. They didn't disappoint once again - but this time they did it in the record time of less than 10 days.

246 Natasha  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 2:00:37pm

re: #245 satan sidekick

I've had my torch and pitchfork ready to roll since Jan 20th. I knew it wasnt going to take very long. The libs typically have poor self-control and trip over their dicks too soon. They didn't disappoint once again - but this time they did it in the record time of less than 10 days.

They have dicks?! O_o Who knew?

247 Scion9  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 2:00:50pm

re: #238 Sharmuta

Come on, 0bama- legalize it. You will be the most popular President in history!

Big Tobacco is obviously well equipped to immediately move into any new mass produced marijuana market. The Feds spent decades breaking that industry's back. I don't find it likely that they will legalize Marijuana for that reason alone.

248 jwb7605  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 2:02:26pm

re: #236 Sharmuta

re: #242 Natasha

I cannot bring myself to support legalizing it. Too many downsides.

... yes, I have tried it (many years ago).
... yes, I have tried it recently (chemo).

The stuff from 35 years ago is different from the stuff today. It will flat make you outright stupid and useless.

You can argue that you want a beer or a glass of wine "to be sociable", but the only argument for pot is to get stoned. Its the whole point.

249 redmirabai  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 2:02:28pm

Congress is doing this at the first opportunity, because in 2 years, when many are up for re-election, any bringing up of this by their opponents will meet again with American indifference to "old news." That is, if it is even reported.
Does anyone remember how Clinton ran the first time on lowering taxes, and what--5 minutes?--after he was sworn in, he found, to his sorrow, that he could not cut taxes? Did anyone call him out on his lies 4 years later? We did not. We are enthralled with the bright shiny object the magician is waving in front of our eyes, whether it is a new cell phone or a veritably unknown but plausible candidate for POTUS, or any other seat, for that matter.

The flaw is human nature, and our child-like enthrallment with shiny surfaces. The result is not just the current administration, but much of our financial straits, too. God, I wish I could see this when I was younger; I do better now, but when I'm almost irrelevant.

250 Rexatosis  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 2:07:18pm

An extra $93,000 to spend anyway they want and you don't have to pay any taxes on the money, a nice scam (and it won't be used for mail costs since that is covered under Congress' franking privilege.) With Pelosi, Reed, and the Democratic Congress you don't have to choose between Corrupt or Insane policies, you get a two-fer: Corrupt and Insane;)

251 [deleted]  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 2:07:28pm
252 [deleted]  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 2:08:19pm
253 Natasha  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 2:09:27pm

re: #248 jwb7605

re: #242 Natasha

I cannot bring myself to support legalizing it. Too many downsides.

... yes, I have tried it (many years ago).
... yes, I have tried it recently (chemo).

The stuff from 35 years ago is different from the stuff today. It will flat make you outright stupid and useless.

You can argue that you want a beer or a glass of wine "to be sociable", but the only argument for pot is to get stoned. Its the whole point.

I see your point. However, people can be stupid and useless without any artificial means. Plenty of people I know smoke pot and still lead productive, happy, eventful lives.

Look at the Prohibition. It brought about a surge in organized crime. The Mafia enjoyed a heyday, back then. What, if not Prohibition v 2.0, in relation to pot, do we see now?

254 avanti  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 2:10:53pm

re: #220 avanti

I checked the few bills passed by the new congress, even all the amendments and still nothing. I'll keep looking, but it may have been have previously authorized increase. Nothing on Fox either, still looking.

OK, getting closer. Each Congressman gets a Member's Representational Allowance of about $1.5 million to pay for staff wages, office expenses, mailing travel and the rest. There is a automatic increase cost of living increase each 1 January for both their pay and Member's Representational Allowance that they'd have to vote not to accept.
The $93,000 appears to be that adjustment, but can't find anything that tells me how Fox arrived at that figure.
The only thing I do know, is that's it's not a raise. They have to report every dime spent on staff wages and the rest and as far as I can tell, it was not a new bill that wa passed under Obama.

255 kawfytawk  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 2:11:49pm

re: #220 avanti

thanks...appreciate it

256 [deleted]  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 2:12:24pm
257 avanti  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 2:15:23pm

re: #250 Rexatosis

An extra $93,000 to spend anyway they want and you don't have to pay any taxes on the money, a nice scam (and it won't be used for mail costs since that is covered under Congress' franking privilege.) With Pelosi, Reed, and the Democratic Congress you don't have to choose between Corrupt or Insane policies, you get a two-fer: Corrupt and Insane;)

The cost of living add on to the 1.5 million can not be used anyway they want. They can hire more staff, give the staff a raise, and so on, here's the rules

258 jwb7605  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 2:17:02pm

re: #253 Natasha

I see your point. However, people can be stupid and useless without any artificial means. Plenty of people I know smoke pot and still lead productive, happy, eventful lives.

Look at the Prohibition. It brought about a surge in organized crime. The Mafia enjoyed a heyday, back then. What, if not Prohibition v 2.0, in relation to pot, do we see now?

The Mafia (or it's equivalent) enjoys a heyday now running drugs. Afghanistan is as good of an example as Mexico or South America.
Marijuana is a part of that, but not the large part. To destroy that trade by legalizing the substances, you also have to include the "hard stuff", like cocaine, heroin, and so forth.
I absolutely understand your point, and I don't disagree with a lot of the reasoning. It's just a slippery slope thing to me that makes me uncomfortable.

259 kawfytawk  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 2:22:16pm

re: #257 avanti

the only problem with the "rules" is that lately they have been broken over and over again with nothing more than a yawn from this admin and the MSM

260 William  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 2:22:19pm

These clowns should be preparing to deal with the 2nd wave of mortgage defaults on the way in 2009 through 2011:

60 Minutes: The Mortgage Meltdown

261 Spiny Norman  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 2:26:26pm

re: #110 gmsc

Let's not forget what we've learned over the past 8 years:

"He's not MY President, and never will be."
- Julia Roberts

"Dissent is the highest form of patriotism."
- Howard Zinn

"I am sick and tired of people who say that if you debate and you disagree with this administration somehow you're not patriotic."
- Hillary Clinton

The Hillary quote needs to be in ALL CAPS, reflecting the fact that she was shrieking when she said that.

;^þ

262 Natasha  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 2:28:08pm

re: #258 jwb7605

The Mafia (or it's equivalent) enjoys a heyday now running drugs. Afghanistan is as good of an example as Mexico or South America.
Marijuana is a part of that, but not the large part. To destroy that trade by legalizing the substances, you also have to include the "hard stuff", like cocaine, heroin, and so forth.
I absolutely understand your point, and I don't disagree with a lot of the reasoning. It's just a slippery slope thing to me that makes me uncomfortable.

Yes, the prospect of "hard" drugs hitting the market openly is a bit scary to me as well. However... people who want them already have them. There may be arguments made about these freaks being out on roads, driving, whatever... But they already do that. One can draw a parallel in relation to murder... However, do we really believe that the fact that murder is illegal is more of a deterrent than the fact that murder is immoral? Murder and self-destruction by drugs are two different things. Now, if ones drug-use negatively affects others, he or she should be punished, severely, but if they are only hurting themselves?
The point I am trying to make is, why have "for your own good" laws? Why not have sensible laws that concern the impact one's behavior has on others? What do I care if some idiot decides to OD on heroin in his house, with just the cockroaches to see the spectacle? As long as he did not hurt anyone else, what is the harm? He is the dumbass who made a dumb choice, just like the drunken morons wrapping themselves and their cars around telephone poles. Now, if his actions hurt a family member, a neighbor or a bystander, then by all means punish his sorry ass. Otherwise? Let stupidity become lethal again.

263 theadmiral  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 2:31:07pm

re: #229 Maximu§

I gotta agree with you. Just think about what's gone down since Chairman Obamao assumed office. It's getting out of control at a frightening pace....the whole mess of it; from his Marxist executive orders to wanting 10% reduction of the Pentagon's budget to nominating clearly unqualified, unscrupulous people to bowing down before Achmanutjob to backing away from missile defense to paying off his Marxist cronies with $819B of OUR money.

It's really hard imagining this country surviving 4 years of this.

264 FrogMarch  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 2:31:37pm

re: #248 jwb7605

re: #242 Natasha

I cannot bring myself to support legalizing it. Too many downsides.

... yes, I have tried it (many years ago).
... yes, I have tried it recently (chemo).

The stuff from 35 years ago is different from the stuff today. It will flat make you outright stupid and useless.

You can argue that you want a beer or a glass of wine "to be sociable", but the only argument for pot is to get stoned. Its the whole point.

I agree with you. legalizing it might be alright from a libertarian standpoint. I'm down with that. but you are so right - today's pot makes people stupid.
(& --sorry to hear about the chemo.)

265 jwb7605  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 2:33:02pm

re: #262 Natasha

Yes, the prospect of "hard" drugs hitting the market openly is a bit scary to me as well. However... people who want them already have them. There may be arguments made about these freaks being out on roads, driving, whatever... But they already do that. One can draw a parallel in relation to murder... However, do we really believe that the fact that murder is illegal is more of a deterrent than the fact that murder is immoral? Murder and self-destruction by drugs are two different things. Now, if ones drug-use negatively affects others, he or she should be punished, severely, but if they are only hurting themselves?
The point I am trying to make is, why have "for your own good" laws? Why not have sensible laws that concern the impact one's behavior has on others? What do I care if some idiot decides to OD on heroin in his house, with just the cockroaches to see the spectacle? As long as he did not hurt anyone else, what is the harm? He is the dumbass who made a dumb choice, just like the drunken morons wrapping themselves and their cars around telephone poles. Now, if his actions hurt a family member, a neighbor or a bystander, then by all means punish his sorry ass. Otherwise? Let stupidity become lethal again.

I have children (now fully grown, over 30) whose lives were affected dramatically when their "friends" in high school OD'd and in one case committed suicide. Took years for them to put the image away. (If they have.)

I have watched friends of my own destroy themselves, and I have watched familes and parents disentegrate because of that.

Allowing it to happen legally is no remedy in my mind.

266 avanti  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 2:33:10pm

re: #259 kawfytawk

the only problem with the "rules" is that lately they have been broken over and over again with nothing more than a yawn from this admin and the MSM

Found it. It looks like they may have have voted for a increase on Jan 19th, the day before the inauguration according to the only mention I could find. . Still no link to the amount, but it normally should have only gone up 50-75K, not 93K

Link

267 jwb7605  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 2:34:24pm

re: #264 FrogMarch

I agree with you. legalizing it might be alright from a libertarian standpoint. I'm down with that. but you are so right - today's pot makes people stupid.
(& --sorry to hear about the chemo.)

Don't be! It worked (both the chemo and the dope), and allowed me to form an opinion of the modern stuff (both the chemo and the dope ;-) ).

268 avanti  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 2:35:28pm

Sorry make that reported on the 15th, not the 19th.

269 FrogMarch  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 2:37:42pm

re: #267 jwb7605

Don't be! It worked (both the chemo and the dope), and allowed me to form an opinion of the modern stuff (both the chemo and the dope ;-) ).

Glad you are alright. Chemo is usually not real fun.

270 kawfytawk  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 2:37:53pm

re: #266 avanti

thanks...still stinks to high heaven and angers me beyond belief

271 Ziggy  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 2:38:35pm

re: #245 satan sidekick
I hear you, but I'm sot so sure the republicturds wouldn't pull the same shit if they were running the show. Remember, if they weren't such pigs themselves, we wouldn't b in this mess, with a Dem. congress, senate and White house. In my book ALL politicians are the enemy. I'm also not so sure that the republicans recent growing of testicles isn't just politicking, instead of getting back to conservative ideals.

272 jwb7605  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 2:40:45pm

re: #271 Ziggy

I hear you, but I'm sot so sure the republicturds wouldn't pull the same shit if they were running the show. Remember, if they weren't such pigs themselves, we wouldn't b in this mess, with a Dem. congress, senate and White house. In my book ALL politicians are the enemy. I'm also not so sure that the republicans recent growing of testicles isn't just politicking, instead of getting back to conservative ideals.

The major difference in my view is that the Democrats lack brains, and the Republicans lack balls.
But for the entire scene, you're about right.

273 FrogMarch  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 2:40:49pm

re: #267 jwb7605

Don't be! It worked (both the chemo and the dope), and allowed me to form an opinion of the modern stuff (both the chemo and the dope ;-) ).

But wait - we are already a nation of lazy stupids. Legalize it! Force the drug lords to pay up, and shazam - we will solve our financial mess. But not for long - congress wants another pay raise.

/just being silly

274 JacksonTn  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 2:41:50pm

re: #269 FrogMarch

Glad you are alright. Chemo is usually not real fun.

frogmarch ...chemo is a slow death to bring you back to life ...I long for the day when we find a cure for all cancers ...

jwb ...so glad you are better ...

275 avanti  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 2:41:58pm

re: #271 Ziggy

I hear you, but I'm sot so sure the republicturds wouldn't pull the same shit if they were running the show. Remember, if they weren't such pigs themselves, we wouldn't b in this mess, with a Dem. congress, senate and White house. In my book ALL politicians are the enemy. I'm also not so sure that the republicans recent growing of testicles isn't just politicking, instead of getting back to conservative ideals.

I can only tell you the increase was passed pre Obama, the 15th or earlier, how it was done, or which way it was voted is a mystery.

276 Elcid  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 2:44:10pm

We won't do a damn thing about this, except type. You see, everyone is completely sure, their person, is THE best around.

It's those 'others'.

277 gman  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 2:44:30pm

I'm still looking for any MSM coverage of this outrage.
I'm sure there will be mass coverage by tomorrow. ///
McChange!

278 Natasha  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 2:47:21pm

re: #265 jwb7605

I have children (now fully grown, over 30) whose lives were affected dramatically when their "friends" in high school OD'd and in one case committed suicide. Took years for them to put the image away. (If they have.)

I have watched friends of my own destroy themselves, and I have watched familes and parents disentegrate because of that.

Allowing it to happen legally is no remedy in my mind.

I am so terribly sorry to hear that. No one should be witness to something like that. Of course, events like that always should be taken into consideration. But, substances that are already legal, such as alcohol and prescription painkillers are causing exactly the same damage, as we speak.

279 jwb7605  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 2:48:00pm

re: #273 FrogMarch

re: #274 JacksonTn

frogmarch ...chemo is a slow death to bring you back to life ...I long for the day when we find a cure for all cancers ...

jwb ...so glad you are better ...

This wasn't the "normal chemo". I had bladder cancer. What the 'cure' is involves running a tube up your d*ck, and putting some really nasty chemical straight into your bladder.
You "hold it in" for 3 hours, lying on each side, back, stomach so the chemical soaks in to all sides.
Then, you get to pee blood for six hours and it burns like hell for 3 days. You have to Clorox the toilet for the next 48 hours after this, because the chemical can/will cause tuberculosis for the next user otherwise.

I was grooving on the peeing blood stuff. Before that I was so freaked I was getting sick to my stomach.

280 Natasha  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 2:49:12pm

re: #267 jwb7605

Don't be! It worked (both the chemo and the dope), and allowed me to form an opinion of the modern stuff (both the chemo and the dope ;-) ).

Let me join others in being happy that you are all right!

281 UberInfidel67  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 2:51:34pm

re: #79 littleoldlady I totally remember that. One who was voted in over and over again got the boot. He is now being investigated for criminal behavior. One other, that is a near and dear friend of mine, actually gave his BACK. But, alas, he is in trouble too now since he was a partner of the person I mentioned above. There was a huge shift here, at least on MY side of the state. Murtha's district? IDK what the hell is wrong there.

282 JacksonTn  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 2:52:25pm

re: #279 jwb7605

re: #274 JacksonTn

This wasn't the "normal chemo". I had bladder cancer. What the 'cure' is involves running a tube up your d*ck, and putting some really nasty chemical straight into your bladder.
You "hold it in" for 3 hours, lying on each side, back, stomach so the chemical soaks in to all sides.
Then, you get to pee blood for six hours and it burns like hell for 3 days. You have to Clorox the toilet for the next 48 hours after this, because the chemical can/will cause tuberculosis for the next user otherwise.

I was grooving on the peeing blood stuff. Before that I was so freaked I was getting sick to my stomach.

jwb ...well, since I am not a guy ...I cannot relate to the tube ...I had many rounds of chemo and there was a point that I was not sure if I was alive or dead ...it's a real party in the treatment rooms ...when I had my port taken out of my chest ...I had the surgeon give it to me and I stepped on it and smashed it ...made me feel better ...the only thing that kept me going was a sense of humor ...hey ...at least we made it!

283 FrogMarch  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 2:53:37pm

re: #279 jwb7605

re: #274 JacksonTn

Wow. holy crap.
Medicine is not fancy. It cures stuff but we really don't have a clue how to fix cancer... yet.

284 avanti  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 2:55:07pm

re: #277 gman

I'm still looking for any MSM coverage of this outrage.
I'm sure there will be mass coverage by tomorrow. ///
McChange!

The MSM won't think it's news. The difference between the scheduled increase in the 1.5 million budget per congressman is small and and has to be spent on constituent service and took place before Obama. Not that much heat in the story over going from 3% increase to 5 or 6 % especially the way they'll sell it.

285 JacksonTn  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 2:55:24pm

re: #283 FrogMarch

FrogMarch ...yeah, one day ...I bet they finally find a cure and they go ...wtf ...why didn't we think of that ! ...we just don't know how to unlock the secrets yet ...

286 Ziggy  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 2:56:39pm

re: #272 jwb7605

The major difference in my view is that the Democrats lack brains, and the Republicans lack balls.
But for the entire scene, you're about right.


Well, without smarts and balls, I think we're in for a long bumpy ride.

287 Ziggy  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 3:00:02pm

re: #275 avanti

I can only tell you the increase was passed pre Obama, the 15th or earlier, how it was done, or which way it was voted is a mystery.


Exactly my point, the Repubs and Dems are essentially indestiguishable. Even GWB, who I will always admire and respect for keeping us safe and ignoring world opinion on matters of national security, spent like a drunken sailor (AKA a Democrat) and never vetoed pork ladden legislation and massive government spending. We needed spending cuts combined with tax cuts.

288 Shay4l  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 3:00:29pm

re: #222 HoosierHoops

Finally I can get that yellow Beemer I've always wanted!
Thank you Sharm..I love your plan

Except that yellow beemer would now cost $260,000.

289 ciaospirit  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 3:02:07pm

re: #275 avanti

I can only tell you the increase was passed pre Obama, the 15th or earlier, how it was done, or which way it was voted is a mystery.

Pre Obama. So what. B Hussein was working with the Dems on the economy well before the 20th. His Dems control Congress and could have rejected it. Furthermore, B Hussein could publicly chastise them and insist they give it back. He had no trouble making Citibank give back their jet.

290 Elcid  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 3:02:55pm

What is going on, in Washington, D.C.?

Tough times and each House member gets an EXTRA $93,000.00 stipend?

This is an outrage and you wonder why the Congressional ratings are so foul.

Most Sincerely,
El Cid

TO:

Congressman Phil Roe
Representing the 1st District of Tennessee

291 Shay4l  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 3:05:50pm

re: #257 avanti

The cost of living add on to the 1.5 million can not be used anyway they want. They can hire more staff, give the staff a raise, and so on, here's the rules

Oh yeah. They follow rules.

292 Maximu§  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 3:06:57pm

re: #256 Iron Fist

That is probably wisest. Sometimes people forget that not everyone reading (or even posting) are their friends. I've been guilty of that myself at times.

Oh, what the Hell! Max is armed with:

-A BB Gun

-A jumbo water gun.

-Sniper Water Rifle (Super Soaker).

-Water Blaster Canon for those Howitzer situations.


-

293 Shay4l  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 3:09:22pm

re: #289 ciaospirit

Pre Obama. So what. B Hussein was working with the Dems on the economy well before the 20th. His Dems control Congress and could have rejected it. Furthermore, B Hussein could publicly chastise them and insist they give it back. He had no trouble making Citibank give back their jet.

Calling it Pre-Obama is a lie. There was no opportunity for Bush to veto it even if he ran around the Capitol madly waving a pen.

294 jwb7605  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 3:09:37pm

re: #282 JacksonTn

jwb ...well, since I am not a guy ...I cannot relate to the tube ...I had many rounds of chemo and there was a point that I was not sure if I was alive or dead ...it's a real party in the treatment rooms ...when I had my port taken out of my chest ...I had the surgeon give it to me and I stepped on it and smashed it ...made me feel better ...the only thing that kept me going was a sense of humor ...hey ...at least we made it!

Have you seen that commercial where the lady said she woke up from surgery, the doctor looked at her, and said "You have cancer", then left?
Brings back memories, kind of, because in my case, the doctor was talking to my wife about my chances of survival. He said "very small", and left.

It sucks being us, but my guess is that you have a whole new perspective on life and dying.

295 jwb7605  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 3:10:23pm

Movie time!
BBL

296 JacksonTn  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 3:14:00pm

re: #294 jwb7605

Have you seen that commercial where the lady said she woke up from surgery, the doctor looked at her, and said "You have cancer", then left?
Brings back memories, kind of, because in my case, the doctor was talking to my wife about my chances of survival. He said "very small", and left.

It sucks being us, but my guess is that you have a whole new perspective on life and dying.

Yes I have ...and I turn off any commericals for anything to do with cancer ... or any shows on it ... I watched more comedy movies when I was sick than you can imagine ... my family made me laugh so much and it was hard to laugh with your tongue about two inches thick ... my mother mainly took care of me and she was one tough ass woman ...she acted tough but I could hear her crying quietly sometimes at night ... as hard as it is when it is you ...I bet it is twice as hard when it is your child ...for me life now is a bonus ...I have lived ...I just want to stay around for awhile for the kids ...and I still watch many many funny movies ...so glad you made it too ...

297 Ziggy  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 3:17:39pm

re: #295 jwb7605

Movie time!
BBL

Huh?

298 Noam Chumpski  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 3:20:09pm

Honestly, I just can't imagine a more deserving group.

/sarcastic golf claps

299 gman  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 3:32:06pm

re: #284 avanti

The MSM won't think it's news. The difference between the scheduled increase in the 1.5 million budget per congressman is small and and has to be spent on constituent service and took place before Obama. Not that much heat in the story over going from 3% increase to 5 or 6 % especially the way they'll sell it.

Are you kidding me? I worked for the government for far too long to pretend to be naive anymore.
"Constituent Services" means many things, especially if you're a career politician.
This story has heat because you have grand hypocrisy here. One group is pointing their finger at another group saying "shame on you," when they are guilty of the very same thing. It's simple and the American people will listen if we can only get the message out to them.

300 soxfan4life  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 3:34:04pm

re: #35 JacksonTn

It should be a law that BEFORE congress gets a raise ...they must send out a letter to all persons in their district advising them of what they are going to attempt ...because most Americans are not aware ...for whatever reason ...about congress salaries ...

Apparently even our founding fathers were afraid of the backlash. This particular amendment was one of the original 12 that became our Bill of Rights. This amendment and one other was not approved way back then.
Check out the 2nd not ratified.


[Link: www.americanfamilytraditions.com...]

301 [deleted]  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 3:43:32pm
302 cincinnati_kid37  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 3:49:00pm

re: #249 redmirabai

True. But this time, a lot of people will be hurting come elections in 2 and in 4 I believe.

303 ladycatnip  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 3:58:29pm

A friend sent this quote from his former pastor he had back in the 1960's:

"You cannot legislate the poor into freedom by legislating the wealthy out of freedom. What one person receives without working for, another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them, and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for, that my dear friend, is about the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it."
~~~ The late Dr. Adrian Rogers , 1931 to 2005 ~~~

Succinct. Prescient.

304 Bullskin  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 4:42:56pm

re: #2 Sharmuta

Pay raises, bonuses.... these things should be put before the electorate.

Don't expect Media show it.

305 avanti  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 4:57:18pm

re: #293 Shay4l

Calling it Pre-Obama is a lie. There was no opportunity for Bush to veto it even if he ran around the Capitol madly waving a pen.

I don't think there was a bill to sign by anyone,at least still unable to find it.

306 mattm  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 5:15:03pm

Well this should help their approval ratings.

307 Efoster  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 5:37:40pm

Do as I say, not as I do.

308 Steve  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 5:39:39pm

Open Letter to Sen. Patty Murray:

I really appreciate the work that you are doing to help the economy along now that I have been laid off. If you see fit, I would like to borrow 55% of your pay raise so that I can also help out stimulating the economy. With that I could purchase food to stimulate the grocery business, clothing to stimulate the garment industry and pay the mortgage on my house for the housing industry. I know that you really want to help the economy and so do I. So with both of us working to that end we can stop this recession and move on to prosperity. I believe that you are kind hearted enough to help.

Thank you for all your work for the people of Washington State. I look forward to hearing from you soon and will be looking for my check in the mail.

Best wishes
Steve.

sarc or not to sarc, that is the question?

309 carti3r  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 5:54:30pm

I only have $4 in my wallet, and I don't think it will be long before they need that.

310 Olderthandirt  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 5:56:24pm

What's the big deal? All we have to do is to look at the annual expense/expenditure report each congressperson files and that'll tell us how each of them is spending their allocation! Jeez, what's so bad about that? Jeez, all we have to do is to focus on the creeps who are spending their allocated funds on frivolous items.

Jeez, what's the problem since we've got so much transparency and everything is so above board.

311 ladycatnip  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 5:57:28pm

This is probably a dead thread, but I just read on The Hill that the O is offering the position of Secretary of Commerce to Sen. Judd Gregg, R-N.H. The obvious tactic, if Gregg accepts, is to have a democrat appointed in his place - hence a super-majority!

312 gman  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 6:03:26pm

re: #310 Olderthandirt

What's the big deal? All we have to do is to look at the annual expense/expenditure report each congressperson files and that'll tell us how each of them is spending their allocation! Jeez, what's so bad about that? Jeez, all we have to do is to focus on the creeps who are spending their allocated funds on frivolous items.

Jeez, what's the problem since we've got so much transparency and everything is so above board.

Exactly, let's just put on our mindfolds, blindfolds, and earplugs and keep on trucking.

313 NortonPete  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 6:16:00pm

Evil...
Let someone evil have as much money as they want but keep it under $100K.
Oh! Its Congress? Well than ...

314 RightKlik  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 7:24:58pm

These are the crooks who manage my money...nice.

315 path  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 7:28:10pm

re: #296 JacksonTn

Thank God I haven't been where you two have had to travel but, I'm so very glad that you're both with us to share your knowledge, experiences and humor.

316 gman  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 7:59:39pm

I found some more information at Roll Call:

In an apparent reaction to the economic crisis facing the country, the House has decided to increase the allowances of Members of Congress so they can spend more money representing their constituents.
According to several Congressional sources, the House Administration Committee has alerted Members that their office accounts will increase by an average of $90,000 this year, an overall increase of about $40 million and significantly more that the increases of recent years.

Every year, each House Member is provided a Member Representational Allowance, which pays for staff salaries, mailing costs, office supplies and the other miscellaneous costs of running a Congressional office. The amount allotted to each Member varies based on how far they have to travel to and from their district and other factors, but in 2008, the allowances ranged from $1.3 million to $1.6 million for each office, according to the Congressional Research Service.

In recent years, the MRAs have increased each year by about $25,000-$30,000 per office, several sources said, making this year’s increase remarkable.

As a result of the current economic crisis, more pressure than ever is being placed on Member’s district offices to ensure that they have the necessary resources as they work to address expanded constituent needs,” Kyle Anderson, spokesman for the House Administration Committee Democrats, said in an e-mail to Roll Call. “Additionally, unprecedented increases in travel expenses, district office utilities and other related operational expenses must be incorporated into Member’s Representational Allowances.

“Failure to address these rising expenses could result in resources having to be diverted from key areas such as constituent service and Member outreach. The increase in the MRA will allow Member’s offices to continue to effectively serve their constituents during this difficult period.”

One House Republican chief of staff said that in his four years in the job “we’ve certainly never had a bump that big ... and it was not what I was expecting. We probably won’t use it all.”

The increases are still only projected numbers, Anderson said, based on anticipated appropriations for 2009 and 2010. The Appropriations Committee has traditionally approved a little less than the full amount the House Administration Committee has suggested, so the final number may be slightly lower, several staff members said.

And some Members make a practice of spending less than they are given each year. Rep. Ron Kind (D-Wis.) made a pledge to hand back money every year, and spokeswoman Anne Lupardus Hanson said that with the $82,000 he returned at the end of 2008, Kind has now given back more than $1 million to the U.S. Treasury in his six terms.


317 jet2nc  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 8:13:45pm

Petty cash for a more petty congress. It is also amazing that many people in Kentucky are still without power and heat for over a week without a bit of blame of poor federal and state response. If George Bush was still president, he would be held with his feet to fire by our MSM for this Katrina like lack of response. But Obama is in charge now, with nothing but silence from the MSM on Obama's concern for Kentucky's citizens.

318 avanti  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 11:14:32pm

re: #316 gman

I found some more information at Roll Call:

Thanks, that's exactly what I wanted to know.

319 gman  Sun, Feb 1, 2009 10:10:23am

Now it all makes sense:

Although there were exceptions to the rule, the average Republican generally spent less (92.8 percent of the MRA) to run his or her office in 2005 than the average Democrat (95.9 percent of the MRA). However, partisan differences were sharper on the ends of the scale. Of the 50 top office spenders (on a percentage- of-MRA-spent basis), 37 were Democrats. Of the 50 most frugal office spenders, 38 were Republicans. In one category -- spending on franked mail postage -- Republicans represented 29 of the top 50 (when adjusted to cost per address).

Lefty loves free stuff!

320 iChef  Sun, Feb 1, 2009 10:54:33am

The "Rangel Argument" - My constituents EXPECT me to:
Drive a Caddy at their expense
Have vacation properties in foreign countries
Not to pay taxes that are required of my constituents
To keep me job even though I cheated the agency I control
Have 3 homes but support the idea that executives not get bonuses or own more than one humble home
Have close to 100k of their money to ummmm "spread around" at my discretion

Nothing to see here cause I have a (D) after my name


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