Chomsky: Israel Should ‘Leave’

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Noam Chomsky outdoes himself in this interview for the “progressive” radio show Democracy Now: Noam Chomsky: Obama’s Stance on Gaza Crisis ‘Approximately the Bush Position’.

I can only stomach so much of this stuff, but here’s Chomsky’s solution to the Arab-Israel conflict: Israel should “leave.”

AMY GOODMAN: It’s good to have you with us. Well, let’s start off by your response to President Obama’s statement and whether you think it represents a change.

NOAM CHOMSKY: It’s approximately the Bush position. He began by saying that Israel, like any democracy, has a right to defend itself. That’s true, but there’s a gap in the reasoning. It has a right to defend itself. It doesn’t follow that it has a right to defend itself by force. So we might agree, say, that, you know, the British army in the United States in the colonies in 1776 had a right to defend itself from the terror of George Washington’s armies, which was quite real, but it didn’t follow they had a right to defend themselves by force, because they had no right to be here. So, yes, they had a right to defend themselves, and they had a way to do it—namely, leave.

Israel did leave Gaza—completely—and they were repaid for this wrenching, painful decision with nothing but more terrorist violence.

When Chomsky suggests Israel should “leave,” he’s saying the same thing as Mahmoud Ahmadinejad: Israel should leave the face of the earth.

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392 comments
1 CynicalConservative  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 6:36:41pm

May get deleted, but worth a try. Hey Noam, you first.

2 jcm  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 6:37:24pm

Chumpsky can sit on a Qassam and spin!
*spit*

3 DisturbedEma  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 6:38:06pm

re: #1 CynicalConservative

May get deleted, but worth a try. Hey Noam, you first.

And go where exactly?

4 deanyc  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 6:38:29pm

Maybe Amy Goodman can leave, too. She sits there on Pacifica Radio, spouting poison every day, then goes home to her million-dollar home in Long Island.

5 VegasRick  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 6:38:37pm

When Chomsky suggests Israel should “leave,” he’s saying the same thing as Mahmoud Ahmadinejad: Israel should leave the face of the earth.

Yep. Exactly.

6 Rob with a mind  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 6:38:37pm

This Idiot hasn't had an original thought EVER!

7 Sharmuta  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 6:38:41pm

Anti-Semitic and he calls George Washington a terrorist.

What sick, fucked-up piece of work. *spit*

8 zombie  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 6:38:45pm

Chomsky should leave.

Leave MIT.

Leave my consciousness.

Leave America.

9 DisturbedEma  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 6:38:51pm

Seems like a clenched sphincter. . .um fist. . .

10 CynicalConservative  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 6:38:55pm

re: #3 DisturbedEma

And go where exactly?

Maybe the same place he want's them to go, re: Charles' closing statement.

11 MarkX  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 6:39:15pm

More bullshit from Norm...

Hey, Chomsky, why dont' you leave --the US?

12 Occasional Reader  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 6:39:29pm
there’s a gap in the reasoning. It has a right to defend itself. It doesn’t follow that it has a right to defend itself by force.

I have an interesting experiment to propose to Noam to test this brilliant idea, but I'm afraid it would get me deleted.

idiot.

13 DisturbedEma  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 6:39:37pm

re: #4 deanyc

Maybe Amy Goodman can leave, too. She sits there on Pacifica Radio, spouting poison every day, then goes home to her million-dollar home in Long Island.

away from the riff raff she is seeking to enlighten. . .um dominate

14 VegasRick  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 6:39:43pm

re: #1 CynicalConservative

May get deleted, but worth a try. Hey Noam, you first.

I think it should stay. Very true.

15 karmic_inquisitor  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 6:39:48pm

Chomsky's solution is the same as all of the rabid Arabists - that all Jews should be swept into the Mediterranean. If Jews were to "return" to where they came from, not only would you find them in Israel, but throughout the Middle East in places where they were forced from.

"Right of Return" for Jews? It will never happen.

16 jcm  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 6:39:48pm

Chumpsky took leave of his sense long ago.

17 VegasRick  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 6:40:16pm

re: #3 DisturbedEma

And go where exactly?

Hell, he can go to hell.

18 jcm  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 6:40:18pm

re: #11 MarkX

More bullshit from Norm...

Hey, Chomsky, why dont' you leave --the US?

I hear NorKo is a Socialist Utopian Paradise!

19 pegcity  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 6:40:30pm

FOAD Noam Self Hating Jew Chumpsky

20 DisturbedEma  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 6:40:41pm

re: #10 CynicalConservative

Maybe the same place he want's them to go, re: Charles' closing statement.

Oh, but that would be supporting genocide, and that wouldbe wrong the UN would never stand. . .um the US would never. . .um, oh SHIT!

21 DisturbedEma  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 6:41:24pm

re: #17 VegasRick

Hell, he can go to hell.

deal!

22 karmic_inquisitor  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 6:41:33pm

re: #8 zombie

Chomsky should leave.

Leave MIT.

Leave my consciousness.

Leave America.

Good point - isn't Chomsky occupying Indian land?

23 zombie  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 6:41:35pm

re: #4 deanyc

Maybe Amy Goodman can leave, too. She sits there on Pacifica Radio, spouting poison every day, then goes home to her million-dollar home in Long Island.

B-B-But -- they made a giant puppet out of Amy Goodman! She can't leave!

Once you're a giant puppet -- you're forever!

24 CynicalConservative  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 6:41:45pm

re: #20 DisturbedEma

Oh, but that would be supporting genocide, and that wouldbe wrong the UN would never stand. . .um the US would never. . .um, oh SHIT!

Ding.

25 huckfunn  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 6:42:06pm

He's Hopeless... and unwilling to Change.

26 jaunte  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 6:42:07pm

Why does anyone listen to Chomsky's distorted view on national defense?

27 HelloDare  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 6:42:12pm
28 WhiteRasta  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 6:42:13pm

Could someone explain to me how this cunning-linguist is now a world expert in international affairs?

29 wolfie  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 6:42:38pm

"......the terror of George Washington's armies." Did you catch that s***?

No, Chumpsky, those weren't terrorists. They really were armies. They wore uniforms. They fought the British army.
And guess what? They didn't strap babies on themselves as body armor.

30 BignJames  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 6:42:41pm

Defend itself, but not w/force? Talking has worked so well so far.

31 MarkX  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 6:42:52pm

re: #18 jcm

That's the irony, these liberal, POS 'intellectuals' can only spew their vile BS in the USA.

32 Jr ewing  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 6:43:02pm

re: #26 jaunte

Why does anyone listen to Chomsky's distorted view on national defense?

Liberals like Obama.

33 VegasRick  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 6:43:15pm

re: #21 DisturbedEma

deal!

He is going to wind up there in the end. He may as well go early and try to get a better seat.

34 Cato the Elder  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 6:43:27pm

Are we sure he didn't mean "am Israel chai" - that Israel should live?

Surely he didn't mean...

Oh, never mind.

35 DisturbedEma  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 6:43:35pm

re: #24 CynicalConservative

Ding.

sigh. . .I am so screwed inthe new world

36 RonAA  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 6:43:36pm

"It has a right to defend itself. It doesn’t follow that it has a right to defend itself by force."
Huh? Can someone explain what that means?

37 RightKlik  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 6:43:59pm

Wow...self-defense without the use of force? Talk about liberal cognitive dissonance!

38 Kragar  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 6:44:18pm

Chomsky should pull a Bon Scott

39 CynicalConservative  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 6:44:31pm

re: #35 DisturbedEma

sigh. . .I am so screwed inthe new world

Why are we in this handbasket, an why is it getting warmer?

40 HelloDare  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 6:44:35pm

Chomsky is supposed to be a genius. Which only goes to prove that the smarter you are the more nonsense you can rationalize.

41 VegasRick  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 6:44:42pm

re: #38 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Chomsky should pull a Bon Scott

Who's Bon Scott?

42 wolfie  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 6:44:46pm

re: #23 zombie

Oh. My. God. Goodman.

43 stevieray  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 6:44:56pm

He is a fraud. Even he only believes half of what he says... the rest is strictly for effect. And by now, only underdeveloped minds view his thoughts with anything other than amusement.

44 Killgore Trout  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 6:44:56pm

Before I discovered blogs I used to be fascinated by Amy Goodman. I couldn't decide if she was insane or just stupid.

45 VegasRick  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 6:45:12pm

re: #38 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Chomsky should pull a Bon Scott groin!

46 WhiteRasta  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 6:45:21pm

re: #36 RonAA

It means Noam is a brain dead idiot..........What a maroon.

47 Rob with a mind  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 6:45:28pm

What a F'in lowlife anti-semite. A World War waiting to Happen and this
asswipe says "Just Leave". An Intellectual is someone who has no common sense. Stupid ideas first good people second. Its the same leftist formula!

48 Kragar  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 6:45:42pm

re: #41 VegasRick

Who's Bon Scott?

Original singer of AC/DC, died after drowning in his own vomit

49 Cato the Elder  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 6:45:48pm

At least Bishop Williamson was excommunicated for a while. And he's now gagged.

Chomsky, God help us, has tenure.

50 karmic_inquisitor  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 6:45:50pm

re: #36 RonAA

"It has a right to defend itself. It doesn’t follow that it has a right to defend itself by force."
Huh? Can someone explain what that means?

You get to use linguistics to defend yourself.

Haven't you heard of the Cambridge Linguistic Martyrs Brigade? They go into crowded restaurants near MIT and deconstruct everything in sight.

51 Jr Ewing  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 6:46:04pm
52 CynicalConservative  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 6:46:05pm

re: #44 Killgore Trout

Before I discovered blogs I used to be fascinated by Amy Goodman. I couldn't decide if she was insane or just stupid.

Often a very fine line between those two diagnoses.

53 VegasRick  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 6:46:11pm

re: #48 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Original singer of AC/DC, died after drowning in his own vomit

Good idea!

54 zombie  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 6:46:20pm

Chomsky sez:

It has a right to defend itself. It doesn’t follow that it has a right to defend itself by force.

So --"defend" oneself through self-extermination?

I'd really like to see one of Chomsky's anarcho-syndicalist brigades of black-clad trustafarians defend themselves without using force from, say, a squad of six rednecks in post-apocalyptic anarchist America.

55 Vicious Babushka  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 6:46:26pm

re: #36 RonAA

"It has a right to defend itself. It doesn’t follow that it has a right to defend itself by force."
Huh? Can someone explain what that means?

You do not appreciate the highly-nuanced explanations of the linguistics expert Comrade Chomsky. Off to Tolerance Camp with you!

56 huckfunn  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 6:47:07pm

re: #28 WhiteRasta

Could someone explain to me how this cunning-linguist is now a world expert in international affairs?

Don't look now, but you have a couple of hairs stuck between your teeth.:>)

57 Vicious Babushka  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 6:47:09pm

re: #48 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Original singer of AC/DC, died after drowning in his own vomit

Chomsky drowns other people in his vomit.

58 Occasional Reader  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 6:47:14pm

re: #50 karmic_inquisitor

You get to use linguistics to defend yourself.

Well... not really. Not Israel. That would be "hate speech".

59 gman  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 6:47:22pm
It’s approximately the Bush position. He began by saying that Israel, like any democracy, has a right to defend itself. That’s true, but there’s a gap in the reasoning. It has a right to defend itself. It doesn’t follow that it has a right to defend itself by force.

It doesn't follow that it has a right to defend itself by force?
It doesn't follow that you got a PhD from Penn, asshole, when you keep throwing this fuzzy logic around.

60 So?  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 6:47:25pm
NOAM CHOMSKY: It’s approximately the Bush position. He began by saying that Israel, like any democracy, has a right to defend itself. That’s true, but there’s a gap in the reasoning.

There's a gap in his head.

61 zombie  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 6:47:30pm

re: #42 wolfie

Oh. My. God. Goodman.

I guess you missed my convention coverage from Denver!

62 HelloDare  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 6:48:10pm

I guess Chomsky wants Israel to defend itself like these British police did.
Police 'ran away' from jeering Gaza demonstrators

63 Kragar  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 6:48:41pm

re: #57 Alouette

Chomsky drowns other people in his vomit.

True

64 WhiteRasta  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 6:49:00pm

re: #54 zombie

Chomsky is saying that from the safety of the USA.

I wonder what he would be saying if he lived in Israel?

65 Spare O'Lake  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 6:49:16pm

Chomsky is not an expert on the Middle East, US politics or Judaism.
He is grossly overrated even in his own alleged field of expertise - linguistics.
Chomsky is nothing more than a peabrained ugly little inadequate MSM soundbiting tool.

66 albusteve  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 6:49:22pm

typical left wing blab....mix it up, spin it, spit it back out with some pseudo intellectualism....even this hayseed can see the fundamental problems with this unenlightened fantasy....I hate these people...elitest liars

67 [deleted]  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 6:49:40pm
68 Killer Tomato  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 6:49:43pm
So we might agree, say, that, you know, the British army in the United States in the colonies in 1776 had a right to defend itself from the terror of George Washington’s armies, which was quite real, but it didn’t follow they had a right to defend themselves by force, because they had no right to be here.

First off - I love the way these people talk - "so we might agree".... uh, no, I don't.
Secondly, what in the hell is he talking about?
Whose colonies were they?
Yes, George Washington's armies were quite the terror - otherwise we'd have lost the war and this would still be whose? territory.

Zell Miller was right.
Spitballs!

69 BignJames  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 6:49:49pm

re: #54 zombie

Chomsky sez:


So --"defend" oneself through self-extermination?

I'd really like to see one of Chomsky's anarcho-syndicalist brigades of black-clad trustafarians defend themselves without using force from, say, a squad of six south Georgia rednecks on a flatbed truck armed with slingshots and chinaberries in post-apocalyptic anarchist America.


ftfy

70 OldLineTexan  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 6:50:07pm

re: #64 WhiteRasta

Chomsky is saying that from the safety of the USA.

I wonder what he would be saying if he lived in Israel?

I say it's too bad he didn't live in Colonial America.

71 right Brain  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 6:50:09pm

Noam Chomsky: one chromosome away from a NAZI.

72 Kragar  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 6:50:36pm

re: #64 WhiteRasta

Chomsky is saying that from the safety of the USA.

I wonder what he would be saying if he lived in Israel?

I often wonder how these dipshits would react when confronted with someone who is about to rape and kill them and their family. They've got no connection to reality.

73 zombie  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 6:50:37pm

re: #64 WhiteRasta

Chomsky is saying that from the safety of the USA.

I wonder what he would be saying if he lived in Israel?

He'd be saying "Allah Ackbar! I'll stand guard and act as a human shield while you fire the Qassam!"

74 Vicious Babushka  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 6:50:47pm

re: #64 WhiteRasta

Chomsky is saying that from the safety of the USA.

I wonder what he would be saying if he lived in Israel?

The same thing, which is what the Israeli leftist elite are saying.

75 MarkX  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 6:50:51pm

re: #62 HelloDare

OMG... what is wrong with the Brits? At least the French police stand their ground..!

76 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 6:50:53pm
but it didn’t follow they (the British) had a right to defend themselves by force, because they had no right to be here

Whatever Chomsky inhaled is now lodged clear down in his rectum.

/this is what passes for an intellectual? In whose pre-school?

77 Occasional Reader  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 6:51:04pm

re: #64 WhiteRasta

Chomsky is saying that from the safety of the USA.

I wonder what he would be saying if he lived in Israel?

He's be perfectly free to say the same thing in Israel.

What would be a lot more fun would be if he were to relocate to, say, Iran, and then walk around saying that the Iranian regime has no right to defend itself from... oooh, I dunno, democracy.

78 wolfie  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 6:51:19pm

re: #61 zombie

No way I missed it. I just.....repressed the horrid memory....
the horrid, horrid memory.

79 OldLineTexan  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 6:51:20pm

re: #69 BignJames

ftfy

Oh noes! Not chinaberries...their shirts will get all sticky with white goo!

80 albusteve  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 6:51:21pm

re: #67 wolfie

Times like these make me wish I were an old-fashioned mugger.
In Massachusetts.

be one!...no dont

81 jcm  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 6:51:43pm

re: #71 right Brain

Noam Chomsky: one chromosome away from a NAZI.

Still a dozen cards short of deck, more than few bricks shy of load, the lights are on, the elevator.......

82 So?  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 6:51:49pm
...It has a right to defend itself. It doesn’t follow that it has a right to defend itself by force.


Well, maybe they should have bought all the children in Gaza Barbie Jihad dolls, or maybe Israelis should have just lined up at the crossings saying, "here we are, just shoot us" or perhaps the IDF should have sent military experts into Gaza and showed Hamas how to aim those damn rockets properly. Is that what you mean Noam the Nome?

83 WhiteRasta  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 6:52:17pm

re: #70 OldLineTexan

I disagree with you there. It's too bad he does not live in Gaza or Iran.

84 Shr_Nfr  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 6:52:44pm

As an alum of MIT, I will never give them a dime as long as this guy pollutes the air with his global foaming.

85 Killer Tomato  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 6:53:12pm

When did "run away, run away" become a definition of 'defend'?

86 So?  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 6:53:15pm

Somebody's been chomping on Chomsky's brain again.

87 OldLineTexan  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 6:53:23pm

re: #83 WhiteRasta

I disagree with you there. It's too bad he does not live in Gaza or Iran.

C'mon, a little tar, a few feathers...or a nice British prison sloop.

88 BignJames  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 6:54:05pm

re: #79 OldLineTexan

Oh noes! Not chinaberries...their shirts will get all sticky with white goo!


hard chinaberries

89 jamgarr  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 6:54:14pm

It has a right to defend itself. It doesn’t follow that it has a right to defend itself by force.

It has a right to exist. It doesn't follow that it has a right to exist in reality.

/makes just as much sense

90 Shr_Nfr  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 6:54:15pm

re: #77 Occasional Reader

Personally, I vote for parachuting him into Mecca.

91 VegasRick  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 6:54:17pm

re: #81 jcm

Still a dozen cards short of deck, more than few bricks shy of load, the lights are on, the elevator.......

He may not be the sharpest tool in the shed but at least he's in the shed, oh and yes he is a tool.

92 jaunte  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 6:54:22pm

re: #85 Killer Tomato

When did "run away, run away" become a definition of 'defend'?

The magic of linguistics!

93 schlagerman  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 6:54:26pm

Could someone please explain to me how George Washington "terrorized" the British army? How is facing a standing army on the field of battle terrorism? Chomsky is a disgusting excuse for an American. Perhaps he could do us a favor himself and leave.

94 stevieray  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 6:54:30pm

The Chomsky-bot: An essential tool.

Linky

[loads a bit slow -- contains a java applet]

95 Cato the Elder  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 6:54:44pm

re: #36 RonAA

"It has a right to defend itself. It doesn’t follow that it has a right to defend itself by force."
Huh? Can someone explain what that means?

Israel has no right to be there at all, you see, so the only legitimate self-defense would be to go away. Just like the British had no business being in America, so they had no right to use force to defend themselves against the rebellious colonists; their only moral option was to go home.

Never mind that the rebellious colonists were also British, so they also had no right to be there, and should have left with the British army, because they stole the land from the Indians.

And Chomsky has no right to be here, because his ancestors piggybacked on the colonists, who had no right to be here, by immigrating to America, which has no right to be here.

So Chomsky will soon be packing his bags and moving back to the shtetl his ancestors came from. Only...little problem here...that shtetl no longer exists because someone, the Tsarists or the Communists or the Nazis, wiped it off the face of the earth.

Logically, then, Chomsky has nowhere to go but Israel.

Oh, wait...

96 Achilles Tang  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 6:54:49pm

Speaking of Chomsky, what's Ramsey Clark up to these day?

97 OldLineTexan  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 6:54:57pm

re: #88 BignJames

hard chinaberries

Hey, if we buy wristrockets it won't really matter...and the sticky stuff is just extra punishment.

/veteran of more than one chinaberry fight

98 Elcid  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 6:55:00pm

Is Chomsky profound or what?

99 VegasRick  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 6:55:01pm

re: #90 Shr_Nfr

Personally, I vote for parachuting him into Mecca.

Can I pack the chute?

100 albusteve  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 6:55:11pm

liberal elitists love to hear their own voice of reason....it's a sickness...talk talk talk...what's utterly laffable is they actually believe each other...I'm truly underwhelmed

101 Occasional Reader  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 6:55:23pm

Is Amy Goodman (ethnically) Jewish, too? If so, shouldn't both of them offer their necks to Hamas, in accordance with their principles?

102 Amos (Zionist Minion)  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 6:55:38pm

With it's developed technology, Israel might leave... into space.
Then again, Noam will say it's illeagally colonizing future paleo territories and should just... leave.

103 OldLineTexan  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 6:55:46pm

re: #90 Shr_Nfr

Personally, I vote for parachuting him into Mecca.

Tomahawk missiles are faster, and more accurate.

We don't want him to have to walk very far, or take too much of his time.

104 So?  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 6:55:53pm

Hey Noam, go invent a new alphabet. Leave politics to the ____________. Hmmm, I'm at a loss here.

105 Racer X  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 6:56:03pm

This is the left. Look for more of this insane bullshit to come spouting out from their pie-holes. They are feeling more and more brazen. Let's hear it. They will expose themselves.

106 WriterMom  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 6:56:04pm

Kapos.

107 MarkX  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 6:56:08pm

re: #101 Occasional Reader

Is Amy Goodman (ethnically) Jewish, too? If so, shouldn't both of them offer their necks to Hamas, in accordance with their principles?

Yes, she is.

108 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 6:56:09pm

re: #1 CynicalConservative

Very good.

109 suitepotato  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 6:56:12pm

They listen to Chomsky because he's an immature twit who spouts nonsense contrarian to common sense and tradition strictly to get noticed and the libs are just as immature. It thrills them and they get entertained and keep on ignoring reality.

110 Vicious Babushka  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 6:56:20pm

re: #101 Occasional Reader

Is Amy Goodman (ethnically) Jewish, too? If so, shouldn't both of them offer their necks to Hamas, in accordance with their principles?

If they joined Neturei Karta, maybe they would get to play tonsil hockey with Ahmadinejad.

111 WriterMom  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 6:56:23pm

"Jews for Hamas"

112 So?  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 6:56:23pm

re: #90 Shr_Nfr

Personally, I vote for parachuting him into Mecca.

Is that with or without a parachute?

113 WhiteRasta  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 6:56:32pm

re: #87 OldLineTexan
What makes this ass-clown an expert on world affairs?

114 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 6:56:49pm

re: #99 VegasRick

Can I pack the chute?

And I hope you know absolutely NOTHING about it.

115 OldLineTexan  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 6:57:06pm

re: #98 Elcid

Is Chomsky profound or what?

Depends on the meaning of "profound" ... if it now means "disabled by a hidden stroke that destroyed 80% of his capacity to reason", I agree.

116 Vicious Babushka  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 6:58:03pm

re: #115 OldLineTexan

Depends on the meaning of "profound" ... if it now means "disabled by a hidden stroke that destroyed 80% 100% of his capacity to reason", I agree.

I don't agree he was disabled by a stroke, he was born that way.

117 OldLineTexan  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 6:58:15pm

re: #114 pre-Boomer Marine brat

And I hope you know absolutely NOTHING about it.

The anvil goes in last!

118 albusteve  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 6:58:28pm

re: #113 WhiteRasta

What makes this ass-clown an expert on world affairs?

because he says so!....hahaha...I love comedy...nobody can really take this guy serious...

119 jcm  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 6:58:32pm

re: #114 pre-Boomer Marine brat

And I hope you know absolutely NOTHING about it.

Better if they know something, a slider a bit too tight, a rip cord too loose.......

120 Desert Dog  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 6:58:32pm

Author of over 100 books, noted expert, respected academic among his peers, and of course, a grade A #1 ASSHOLE on the highest level

121 WriterMom  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 6:58:45pm

If anyone has ever attempted to read his verbal vomit-slush, it's obvious that he is just a barely literate, self-hating Jew whose major claim to fame is prostituting himself to the people who would happily slit his throat, carve his heart out and drink his blood. I would be quite happy if Mr. Chomsky "left" the planet.

122 Ayatollah Ghilmeini  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 6:59:02pm

It is called substituted judgment. The leftist decides what and when it is acceptable to defends yourself. Then the leftist tells you it is never acceptable to defend yourself or you can only defend yourself in ways the leftist approves. Of course the leftist never approves of any way a Jew or American defends themselves.

The leftist knows better than all military experts and the leaders elected to defend their country. Graced by the perfection of World View and Correct Politics, all must bow before their superior moral and intellectual judgments.

The Holy Left has determined America and Israel are evil, so whatever our enemies wish to do is immaterial. Our crimes our so great we must not be allowed to live.

Chomsky had to be in a complete dither when Israel launched CAST LEAD, he was so hoping all the Jews would die before he does. Now his last hope is Iran's Bomb and Bibi Netanyahu seems to have a firm grip on what to do.

123 So?  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 6:59:03pm

Noam Chomsky: Short on hair, short on brains.

124 BignJames  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 6:59:13pm

re: #99 VegasRick

Can I pack the chute?


Let him pack his own chute....make sure he packs an anvil.

125 stevieray  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 6:59:21pm

re: #109 suitepotato

They listen to Chomsky because he's an immature twit who spouts nonsense contrarian to common sense and tradition strictly to get noticed and the libs are just as immature. It thrills them and they get entertained and keep on ignoring reality.

Transgression as a core value.

126 HelloDare  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 6:59:24pm

George Washington terrorized the British army?
I wonder if Noam is terrorized by his wife at home?

127 WriterMom  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 6:59:28pm

re: #120 Desert Dog

Respected by his peers...couldn't have pegged him better myself.

128 OldLineTexan  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 6:59:32pm

re: #113 WhiteRasta

What makes this ass-clown an expert on world affairs?

Same thing that makes "celebrities" experts on world affairs ... egos the size of Roseanne Barr's arse.

129 VegasRick  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 6:59:54pm

re: #114 pre-Boomer Marine brat

And I hope you know absolutely NOTHING about it.

Well, when I was a kid I used to throw my parachute toy soldier high into the air and would watch it come down, I think I'll be okay.

130 Elcid  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 6:59:56pm

re: #115 OldLineTexan

Depends on the meaning of "profound" ... if it now means "disabled by a hidden stroke that destroyed 80% of his capacity to reason", I agree.


LMAO...Good one.

131 Spare O'Lake  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 7:00:13pm

Is the "extreme bitchslap" a linguistic device with which Chomsky has yet been made familiar?

132 So?  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 7:00:16pm

A skull with no brain is a sad thing to waste.

133 Vicious Babushka  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 7:00:26pm

re: #113 WhiteRasta

What makes this ass-clown an expert on world affairs?

The same thing that makes The Forward "The Nation's Jewish Newspaper."

Because he says so.

134 Occasional Reader  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 7:00:38pm

re: #120 Desert Dog

Author of over 100 books

Most of which are just repackaged, micro-paperbook versions of previous drivel. But the trustafarian set eats it up with a spoon.

135 jcm  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 7:00:47pm

re: #123 So?

Noam Chomsky: Short on hair, short on brains.

long on a**hole.

136 Scion9  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 7:00:54pm

Doesn't the inverse apply to the Palestinians with the same logic? That if Israel attacks they should 'leave'?

137 albusteve  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 7:01:22pm

the 'Holy Left'....works for me

138 VegasRick  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 7:01:37pm

bbl

139 Kragar  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 7:01:45pm

Whats the difference between Chomsky and a 50lb bag of steer manure?

The steer manure serves a purpose.

140 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 7:01:50pm

I can not believe that #1 has one lone ding. Was the best first I have seen.

141 BignJames  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 7:02:21pm

re: #133 Alouette

The same thing that makes The Forward "The Nation's Jewish Newspaper."

Because he says so.


Or the Cowboys "America's Team."

142 Vicious Babushka  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 7:02:48pm

re: #134 Occasional Reader

Most of which are just repackaged, micro-paperbook versions of previous drivel. But the trustafarian set eats it up with a spoon.

They don't read any of this crap, they just buy it because they think having it on the coffee table next to the bong makes them seem "intellectual."

143 albusteve  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 7:03:00pm

re: #141 BignJames

Or the Cowboys "America's Team."

WTF?

144 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 7:03:00pm

re: #140 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I can not believe that #1 has one lone ding. Was the best first I have seen.

meaning the best way to get the word in on a first post. Oh, you know wha tI mean.

145 So?  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 7:03:07pm

re: #132 So?

A skull with no brain is a sad thing to waste.

Should have read: A kull with no brain is such a waste.

And

Methinks he suffers from cracked-brain syndrome.

146 wolfie  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 7:03:11pm

re: #116 Alouette

I don't agree he was disabled by a stroke, he was born that way.

Yeah. Don't confuse him with Biden.

Not that Biden is on that low a level, mind you. And at least Joe is funny.

147 Achilles Tang  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 7:03:22pm

re: #140 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I still don't have one in reserve in case I'm on the ball.

148 pink freud  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 7:03:31pm

Appropriate place for this repost, from z9z99 earlier:

The Pit Bull
An Allegory of the Left

One fine late summer day, Larry strode down the sidewalk next to a tall wooden fence. As he walked, a dog began barking spiritedly from the other side. "Hmmm," thought Larry "that poor, poor animal is being oppressed by the authorities who erected this fence." This thought filled Larry with a rush of self-esteem. "This fence is not right," thought Larry. "I see no sense in it, other than to concentrate power in those who built it. I shall help the poor animal inside." The resulting jolt of self-esteem left Larry lightheaded. He nonetheless took it upon himself to pry loose a board in the fence, feeling he had now freed the dog to follow its conscience about which side of the fence to stay on.

Larry continued down the sidewalk, buoyed by the gossamer wings of esteem for himself, and his own sense of wonderfulness. His thoughts were interrupted by the unmistakeable sound of a pit bull, who had apparently decided that it preferred to be on the same side of the fence as Larry, if only because that made mauling things easier. Larry turned to see the snarling animal bearing down on him, teeth bared, snarling violently, anticipatory saliva flying off into the slipstream.

"Maybe this dog will bite me," Larry considered, his self esteem momentarily displaced. "Perhaps I can reason with him. I'll get him to consider tofu, or some other less meat-oriented diet." A chastening thought then occured to him. "What if attacking me is reasonable? I really shouldn't impose my value system." The familiar opiate of self-worth again comforted Larry.

"Perhaps I should jump the fence to get away from this doggie," thought Larry as the distance between them was becoming uncomfortably small. "No, I shouldn't assume that just because this is a charging pit bull that it is any more likely than any other dog to bite me. Unless Clifford the Big Red Dog would send me over the fence, I won't let my prejudices get the better of me."

As the dog was now airborne, jaws agape, Larry thought "I wonder what we all did to provoke this dog. I can't help but feel some collective responsibility." The expected rush of esteem was interrupted by the animal sinking its canine chompers into the flesh of Larry's upper arm. The pain was intense and it took some effort for Larry to reason: "You know, this is why we need universal healthcare."

149 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 7:03:32pm

re: #143 albusteve

WTF?

He hates us because we're beautiful.

150 So?  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 7:03:51pm

re: #135 jcm

long on a**hole.

There isn't a tape measure in the world that's long enough.

151 wolfie  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 7:04:13pm

re: #122 Ayatollah Ghilmeini

Too true.

152 BignJames  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 7:04:16pm

re: #143 albusteve

WTF?


'Cause they say so?

153 Killer Tomato  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 7:04:22pm

re: #93 schlagerman

Could someone please explain to me how George Washington "terrorized" the British army? How is facing a standing army on the field of battle terrorism? Chomsky is a disgusting excuse for an American. Perhaps he could do us a favor himself and leave.

terrorize –verb - to fill or overcome with terror
As in -
George Washington's army terrorized the British.

Of course, this probably isn't what he meant.

154 So?  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 7:04:48pm

re: #149 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

He hates us because we're beautiful.

He is a meeskite.

(that's yiddish for ugly)

155 OldLineTexan  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 7:04:54pm

re: #149 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

He hates us because we're beautiful.

We hates it forever because it's a Bagginsssssss.

156 IslandLibertarian  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 7:05:02pm

It is not "Bush's Position" nor "Obama's Position".
It is the Position of The United States of America that Israel is an ally and has the right of self determination.
I'm sick of Leftists attaching Bush to anything so as to make it flawed.
FUCK CHOMSKY!

157 jcm  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 7:05:06pm

The Anti-Chomsky Reader

This description is based on the MIT professor's writings on linguistics in the 1950s; but beginning with his criticism of the Vietnam War in the 1960s, Chomsky became much better known for his radical politics than for his theories of language. Over the past forty years he has gained a devoted following in the United States and Europe for his increasingly bitter--some say hysterical--censure of U.S. "crimes." Chomsky has complained about being ignored by mainstream publications such as the "New York Times," but in fact his steady stream of polemical works, like the best-selling "9-11," have made him the center of a veritable cult.

In "The Anti-Chomsky Reader," editors Peter Collier and David Horowitz have assembled a set of essays that analyze Chomsky's intellectual career and the evolution of his anti-Americanism. The essays in this provocative book focus on subjects such as Chomsky's bizarre involvement with Holocaust revisionism, his apologies for Khmer Rouge tyrant Pol Pot, and his claim that America's policies in Latin America in the 1980s were comparable to Nazism. Scholar Paul Bogdanor writes about Chomsky's hatred of Israel. Ronald Radosh and David Horowitz discuss his gloating reaction to the September 11 attack. Linguists Paul Postal and Robert Levine reevaluate Chomsky's linguistics and find the same qualities there that others see in his politics: "a deep contempt for the truth, descents into incoherence, and verbal abuse of those who disagree with him."

"The Anti-Chomsky Reader" presents a fascinating composite portrait of a man who arguably is our most influential public intellectual.

158 Moonbat Serenade  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 7:05:54pm

That is the stupidest line of reasoning I have ever heard.

Who gives a damn what Noam Chomsky thinks ?

159 albusteve  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 7:05:56pm

re: #149 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

He hates us because we're beautiful.

must be...the Cowboys had nothing to do with that coinage....

160 Racer X  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 7:06:04pm
It has a right to defend itself. It doesn’t follow that it has a right to defend itself by force.

I'm still trying to figure out what the hell this means. Is he suggesting that you can defend yourself by complaining to another authority? Filing a protest somewhere? Is that really a defense?

Defending yourself means exactly that - defense. If someone is threatening you, defense means taking ACTION (something Chumpsky has never had the courage to do). He'll complain loudly, but never actually defend himself.

As OR said a few days ago:

"Here's my lunch money. Don't beat me up".

161 reine.de.tout  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 7:06:09pm

re: #44 Killgore Trout

Before I discovered blogs I used to be fascinated by Amy Goodman. I couldn't decide if she was insane or just stupid.

Both.

162 winston06  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 7:06:23pm

Isn't this the same worthless idiot who sat down with the chief murderer of Hizballah in Lebanon a few years ago and drank tea with him? Chomsky disgusts me!

163 Amos (Zionist Minion)  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 7:06:28pm

It's great the US is the most powerful nation on earth, but that's the downside of the same fact. It's power insulates people from reality... so some become really detached from it. Had Noam lived in a place where things really affected him, say Sderot, he'd be the first to clamor for the IDF to flatten Gaza and send all the paleos to Egypt, lest their missiles scratch his own precious hide.

164 albusteve  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 7:07:21pm

re: #152 BignJames

'Cause they say so?

some guy at NFL Films said that....everybody but you knows that...go kill yourself immediately

165 Kragar  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 7:07:24pm

re: #158 Moonbat Serenade

That is the stupidest line of reasoning I have ever heard.

Who gives a damn what Noam Chomsky thinks ?

Matt Damon

166 jcm  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 7:07:44pm

re: #158 Moonbat Serenade

That is the stupidest line of reasoning I have ever heard.

Who gives a damn what Noam Chomsky thinks ?

If only all those college students realized that. They go after Chompsky's drivel like dogs after vomit.

167 USBeast  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 7:07:56pm

" So we might agree, say, that, you know, the British army in the United States in the colonies in 1776 had a right to defend itself from the terror of George Washington’s armies, which was quite real, but it didn’t follow they had a right to defend themselves by force, because they had no right to be here. So, yes, they had a right to defend themselves, and they had a way to do it—namely, leave."

The complete and utter idiocy of the above is breathtaking. The ignorance of history is monumental. The discrediting of Chomsky is complete.

168 jaunte  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 7:08:12pm

re: #165 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Lol.

169 Cato the Elder  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 7:08:23pm

Chomsky's great strength is logic in the service of irrationality and evil.

Other people who serve irrationality and evil love him because he gives a veneer of reason to their abyss.

And still more people who are not necessarily evil, mostly just stupid, follow him because they think he sounds so smart he must be right. And grasping bits and pieces of his arguments makes them feel smart, too.

The only thing that could make him more pernicious would be a British accent.

170 OldLineTexan  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 7:08:29pm

re: #164 albusteve

some guy at NFL Films said that....everybody but you knows that...go kill yourself immediately

The Cowboys provided TDC with the finest inmate football team they ever fielded.

Burt Reynolds would've been proud.

171 pink freud  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 7:08:41pm

re: #166 jcm

If only all those college students realized that. They go after Chompsky's drivel like dogs after vomit.

Yes ... him and Howard Zinn. Peas in a pod.

172 albusteve  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 7:09:18pm

re: #166 jcm

If only all those college students realized that. They go after Chompsky's drivel like dogs after vomit.

that's the honey hole right there....he's a fucking pred

173 winston06  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 7:09:45pm

re: #169 Cato the Elder

false logic, one might say

174 jamgarr  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 7:09:45pm

re: #169 Cato the Elder

The only thing that could make him more pernicious would be a British accent.

And a kitty-cat suit

175 pegcity  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 7:09:57pm

i get the impression this guy had his lunch money stolen alot when he was a kid

176 WriterMom  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 7:10:33pm

If Martians were to come to Earth, I really think they would be puzzled by Chomsky..."don't the Jews have enough enemies already-why are they turning on themselves"?

177 jcm  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 7:10:38pm

re: #167 USBeast

" So we might agree, say, that, you know, the British army in the United States in the colonies in 1776 had a right to defend itself from the terror of George Washington’s armies, which was quite real, but it didn’t follow they had a right to defend themselves by force, because they had no right to be here. So, yes, they had a right to defend themselves, and they had a way to do it—namely, leave."

The complete and utter idiocy of the above is breathtaking. The ignorance of history is monumental. The discrediting of Chomsky is complete.

So by Chumpsky's reasoning, a gun toting thug breaks into my house rapes my daughter I can defend her but not use force? How does that work? Write a nice letter? Give a nice speech about how I hope he'll change? Just what is forceless defense anyway?

Never mind I think we're about to find out.

178 Dirk Diggler  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 7:10:38pm

Noam Chomsky never met a totalitarian thug or run-on sentence he didn't like.

179 Kragar  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 7:10:54pm

re: #175 pegcity

i get the impression this guy had his lunch money stolen alot when he was a kid

I get the impression he was a paste eating bed wetting momma's boy with a diaper fetish

180 Cato the Elder  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 7:10:56pm

re: #173 winston06

false logic, one might say

Sorry, I thought that was implicit.

181 HelloDare  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 7:10:59pm
182 Occasional Reader  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 7:11:06pm

re: #175 pegcity

i get the impression this guy had his lunch money stolen alot when he was a kid

Actually, I'm guessing he insulated himself by snitching to the bullies on which kids had the most lunch money.

183 albusteve  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 7:11:06pm

re: #170 OldLineTexan

The Cowboys provided TDC with the finest inmate football team they ever fielded.

Burt Reynolds would've been proud.

so?...they were victims....somehow...dont bug me about it...I'm reading Chomsky

184 WriterMom  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 7:11:09pm

re: #165 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Maaaaaaatttt Daaaaaammmmmmmmmmmmmmon?!

185 BignJames  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 7:11:11pm

re: #164 albusteve

some guy at NFL Films said that....everybody but you knows that...go kill yourself immediately


No. I'm going w/ Tom Landry to kick Jerry Jones' ass.

186 WriterMom  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 7:11:28pm

re: #178 Dirk Diggler

DIRK!

187 avanti  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 7:11:29pm

Iraq election a success.

188 RadCap  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 7:11:32pm

Equivocation, thy name is Chompsky

189 Unakite  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 7:11:38pm

re: #114 pre-Boomer Marine brat

And I hope you know absolutely NOTHING about it.

I hope he does. If he doesn't, he might accidentally do it right.

190 pink freud  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 7:11:58pm

re: #187 avanti

Iraq election a success.

2 seats went to the Communist Party.

191 OldLineTexan  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 7:12:21pm

re: #183 albusteve

That is the damned funniest thing I have read in a week.

192 NY Nana  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 7:12:32pm

re: #162 winston06

/Do not have any sharp objects at hand...you could harm your computer.

193 Cato the Elder  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 7:12:34pm

re: #179 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I get the impression he was a paste eating bed wetting momma's boy with a diaper fetish rash

Depends.

194 albusteve  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 7:12:52pm

re: #185 BignJames

No. I'm going w/ Tom Landry to kick Jerry Jones' ass.

dont laugh...if it could happen it would

195 jcm  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 7:13:01pm

re: #187 avanti

Iraq election a success.

How can that be we lost?
/ Reid / Murtha / Pelosi et. al.

196 Truth Dr.  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 7:13:07pm

Chomsky's intellectual fraud is once again telling with his pathetic analogy of Israel and Palestinians to Britain and the US. If George Washington were lobbing rockets into London and Birmingham from the US, would then Britain have the right to defend itself by force.

As soon as one is labelled a "public intellectual" (often self-proclaimed) you know they have to be a bloomin' idiot (and a Jew hating one at that) - there's Chomsky, Naomi Klein, Stormin' Norman Finkelstein (who apparently got wedgied one too many times at his Jewish day camp by the girls).

197 wolfie  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 7:13:15pm

Linguists Paul Postal and Robert Levine reevaluate Chomsky's linguistics and find the same qualities there that others see in his politics: "a deep contempt for the truth, descents into incoherence, and verbal abuse of those who disagree with him."

Now, that is interesting.
I knew someone in the linguistics dept at a university where I used to teach, and he said that some of Chomsky's early work in linguistics was good but that the last few decades it's been awful. Looks like he's not alone in his estimation.

198 Dirk Diggler  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 7:13:25pm

Writermom,

DIRK!

WRITERMOM!

199 Ojoe  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 7:13:46pm

In hell, I should think the only radio would be Pacifica, the only show would be Hypocrisy Democracy Now, and the only voice during the whole show would be Amy Goodman.

200 jcm  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 7:13:57pm

re: #190 pink freud

2 seats went to the Communist Party.

Better than we did.

201 WriterMom  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 7:14:26pm

re: #198 Dirk Diggler

So glad there are people here WHO UNDERSTAND ME.

:)

202 Vicious Babushka  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 7:14:41pm

re: #199 Ojoe

In hell, I should think the only radio would be Pacifica, the only show would be Hypocrisy Democracy Now, and the only voice during the whole show would be Amy Goodman.

You are assuming that everyone in Hell is a conservative.

203 yochanan  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 7:14:48pm

who is worse noam chomsky or natri karti

SSDD

204 OldLineTexan  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 7:15:01pm

re: #187 avanti

Iraq election a success.

Sounds like a job for ACORN!

/

205 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 7:15:13pm

Noam Chomsky: The United States - Israel's Godfather

Noam Chomsky speaks about Gaza, Palestine, Israel at a meeting in Boston.

1-21-09

filmed by Paul Hubbard at the Palestine Cultural Center for Peace

206 Sharmuta  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 7:15:39pm
It has a right to defend itself. It doesn’t follow that it has a right to defend itself by force.

Would he say this about a woman facing a rapists? What's the difference?

So we might agree, say, that, you know, the British army in the United States in the colonies in 1776 had a right to defend itself from the terror of George Washington’s armies, which was quite real, but it didn’t follow they had a right to defend themselves by force, because they had no right to be here.

Umm- the British of 1776 would say otherwise. That was kind of the point of the Revolution. In their eyes, we were rebels and had no right to undermine the Crown.

What's with these liberals? It seems at every turn, they misunderstand everything about this country and it's history. Mind numbing.

207 WriterMom  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 7:15:49pm

You know, if he wasn't an "expert" in some pansy subject like linguistics I might give his 'academic' writing more of a chance. But, seriously-he might as well have a degree in Womyn's Studies...he is CrapMasterFlash, PhD.

208 Truth Dr.  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 7:15:51pm

When they're not in their Jewish costumes, the Neturi Karta are servers at Bob Evans.

209 Occasional Reader  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 7:16:03pm

re: #181 HelloDare

Ali G interviews Noam Chomsky

Wonderful.

Noam, you're an idiot. And this is (further) proof.

210 OldLineTexan  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 7:16:46pm

re: #200 jcm

Better than we did.

It's so painful because it's true ...

211 [deleted]  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 7:16:58pm
212 WriterMom  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 7:17:03pm

I am feeling particularly feisty and inspired after finishing Tammy Bruce's book today. LOL. I want to give her a big hug-PLATONIC of course.

213 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 7:17:08pm

re: #22 karmic_inquisitor

Good point - isn't Chomsky occupying Indian land?

Yes, but the Indians haven't started trying to kill him, so it's an abstract problem.

214 OldLineTexan  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 7:17:58pm

re: #211 ploome hineni

Charles, have you seen this?

[Link: www.telegraph.co.uk...]

I want my Japanese mammoth, and I want it NOW.

215 WriterMom  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 7:18:04pm

re: #203 yochanan

SSDP

Also Norman Finkelstein in the pile.

216 Occasional Reader  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 7:18:15pm

re: #205 NJDhockeyfan

the Palestine Cultural Center for Peace

Is that "the world's smallest cultural center"? Like Modern French Military Victories = world's shortest book?

217 coquimbojoe  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 7:18:33pm

re: #209 Occasional Reader

Wonderful.

Noam, you're an idiot. And this is (further) proof.

Boo ya shaka! I always wonder if Noam believes what he is saying. He is a very dangerous old fool.

218 WriterMom  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 7:18:48pm

re: #216 Occasional Reader

Heh. Good one.

219 Achilles Tang  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 7:18:50pm

re: #149 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

He hates us because we're beautiful.

That sounds a little syrupy coming from you.

220 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 7:18:51pm

re: #29 wolfie

"......the terror of George Washington's armies." Did you catch that s***?

No, Chumpsky, those weren't terrorists. They really were armies. They wore uniforms. They fought the British army.
And guess what? They didn't strap babies on themselves as body armor.

Small children in London still wake up screaming in the dead of night because Mummy said the Continental Army would get them if they didn't go right to sleep.

221 Vicious Babushka  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 7:18:52pm

re: #203 yochanan

who is worse noam chomsky or natri karti

SSDD

I have never seen an article in the NY Times, Guardian, Independent, Haaretz, Reuters, Al-Jazeera or any anti-Israel media written by a member of Neturei Karta, but they will happily publish pieces by Chomsky.

Maybe I'm going too far in assuming that members of NK can read and write.

222 Truth Dr.  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 7:19:35pm

#22 - As I noted above, the other issue for Chompers is the fact that Washington and the troops were not firing on England. Would Normy think the Brits had the right to use force if Washington was firing on London?

223 WriterMom  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 7:20:18pm

re: #221 Alouette

Chomsky gets the op-ed real estate, Neturei Karta get the photos. Both are equally insane and damaging.

224 Occasional Reader  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 7:20:29pm

re: #218 WriterMom

Heh. Good one.

I mean, when you think "Palestinian culture", the word "peace" pops into your head right away, doesn't it?

/

225 [deleted]  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 7:20:56pm
226 albusteve  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 7:20:57pm

I dont get out much and people like Amy Goodman are the reason...
the MSM is my dire enemy....I'd toss both my shoes at that ignorant bitch if I thought I could hit her...

227 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 7:20:58pm

re: #30 BignJames

Defend itself, but not w/force? Talking has worked so well so far.

I find it interesting (although expected), that he is not applying the same logic to the Palestinians. They clearly, per him, have the right to defend themselves from the invading Zionist horde, not by force, but by going somewhere else. Why doesn't he recommend this?

(And where the hell are all these groups of people supposed to be going to? I mean, Chompers can go to hell for all of me, but the rest of us...?)

228 Truth Dr.  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 7:21:05pm

When I think of Palestinian culture I think of foie gras and arias.

229 Catttt  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 7:21:06pm

When we were tubing down the Guadalupe one hot summer day, a couple was arguing near us. The guy (roaring drunk) said, "Get out!" The girl said, "What do you want me to do, get out of the river?" Everyone snickered at the drunk.

In this case, Dr. Chompsky is telling Israel to get off the planet. His fellow liberals and socialists are no doubt applauding, but I am snickering.

230 Occasional Reader  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 7:21:33pm

re: #225 ploome hineni

..have we nominated the Chompster for the Fiskie yet?

Two words: "Lifetime achievement".

231 ASU86PE  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 7:21:42pm

Noam was and is so wrong on so many things. The United States did not initiate hostilities with Britain until 1812 when the British harassed our trade ships and undermined our trade agreements internationally. They fired first!

BTW, we accepted ALL the treaties the British made with the American Indians no matter how egregious the treaty was to the nation's welfare after our independence. NOT TRUE ABOUT the GAZANS. Gazan's seem to want death and refuse to take any responsibility for any of their own actions.

The Gaza is of the Gazan's making only. The world owns them nothing.

232 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 7:21:55pm

re: #190 pink freud

2 seats went to the Communist Party.

We've got congresspeople as red as Communists here; At least Iraqi commies don't pretend to be "progressives", they're reds and they admit it.

233 albusteve  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 7:22:04pm

re: #219 Naso Tang

That sounds a little syrupy coming from you.

but it's true nevertheless...we are beautiful

234 Occasional Reader  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 7:22:21pm

re: #229 Catttt

When we were tubing down the Guadalupe

That sounds... dirty.

235 Spare O'Lake  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 7:22:21pm

re: #179 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I get the impression he was is a paste eating bed wetting momma's boy with a diaper fetish


fixed.

236 Killer Tomato  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 7:22:27pm

re: #222 Truth Dr.

#22 - As I noted above, the other issue for Chompers is the fact that Washington and the troops were not firing on England. Would Normy think the Brits had the right to use force if Washington was firing on London?

No! No one ever has the right to use force under any circumstances!* Rock, paper, scissors, OK. Pillowfights? Too risky. Better to talk your opponent to death.

*unless they're downtrodden, put upon, etc., etc.

237 vaynela  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 7:22:32pm

Chomsky should visit his beloved Gaza for while. Hamas would chew him up and ransom him like they did Alan Johnston. Has anyone heard a peep from that Palestinian-loving hypocrite since his release?

238 Ojoe  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 7:22:33pm

re: #202 Alouette

Huh. Hadn't thought of it that way. Who does broadcast in hell?

239 Achilles Tang  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 7:22:56pm

re: #233 albusteve

but it's true nevertheless...we are beautiful

On average, yes

240 albusteve  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 7:22:56pm

re: #225 ploome hineni

..have we nominated the Chompster for the Fiskie yet?

more like the Riskie...to the human race

241 So?  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 7:23:18pm

I think he should have laser surgery...

/on his eyes.

242 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 7:23:20pm

re: #70 OldLineTexan

I say it's too bad he didn't live in Colonial America.

Because faced with the terror that was George Washington, he would have left.

243 Dayenu  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 7:23:30pm

re: #206 Sharmuta

You know, that makes a good point actually...

What right did Lincoln have to launch the Civil War? Didn't the South declare that it was their land, and that the Union had no right to impose their rules on them any longer?

Wasn't Lincoln threatening the rights of the Confederates to form their own laws, their own traditions, free from the controlling fist of Washington DC?

(And who cares if the South kept slaves? The Palestinians are certainly morally inferior to the Israelis, and that doesn't stop them from getting Chomsky's support).

244 Vicious Babushka  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 7:23:37pm

re: #238 Ojoe

Huh. Hadn't thought of it that way. Who does broadcast in hell?

Satan gives every guest a personalized set of earbuds which may not be removed.

245 Truth Dr.  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 7:24:01pm

#236 - Actually Normy approves of violence and genocide when the perpetrators are anarchists, marxists or muslims - Example 1 Pol Pot.

246 WriterMom  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 7:24:04pm

re: #224 Occasional Reader

Oy...I can't really write here what I think when I say "Palestinian" anything.

247 albusteve  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 7:24:08pm

re: #239 Naso Tang

On average, yes

well there's always EVOLUTION!....move aside amigo

248 Catttt  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 7:24:22pm

Sorry about the Chomp. I know his name, but my fingers always want to type chomp.

Has anyone mentioned that he is a cunning linguist?

249 FortunateSon  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 7:24:45pm

Noam Chomsky is a little man who has to hide behind big words.

250 Syrah  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 7:24:55pm

Chomsky is a chumpsky.

But Ronald Jenkees is amazing.

251 Jim in Virginia  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 7:25:13pm

re: #214 OldLineTexan

I want my Japanese mammoth, and I want it NOW.

A T Rex.
Crichton was right.

252 Sharmuta  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 7:25:21pm

re: #243 Dayenu

What right did islamic hordes have to conquer any land past arabia?

253 Achilles Tang  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 7:25:35pm

re: #247 albusteve

well there's always EVOLUTION!....move aside amigo

Too late for me, but you haven't seen my kids.

254 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 7:26:05pm

re: #231 ASU86PE

Noam was and is so wrong on so many things. The United States did not initiate hostilities with Britain until 1812 when the British harassed our trade ships and undermined our trade agreements internationally. They fired first!

BTW, we accepted ALL the treaties the British made with the American Indians no matter how egregious the treaty was to the nation's welfare after our independence. NOT TRUE ABOUT the GAZANS. Gazan's seem to want death and refuse to take any responsibility for any of their own actions.

The Gaza is of the Gazan's making only. The world owns them nothing.

Chomsky being wrong and lying about it should be taken for granted. If he said the sun would rise tomorrow, I'd check with the Weather Channel before I believed him. He takes lying to a Goebbels level.

255 Occasional Reader  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 7:26:22pm

re: #239 Naso Tang

On average, yes

"Have you been to the DMV lately? It's like a leper colony down there."

-J. Seinfeld

256 Scion9  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 7:26:40pm

re: #196 Truth Dr.

Chomsky's intellectual fraud is once again telling with his pathetic analogy of Israel and Palestinians to Britain and the US. If George Washington were lobbing rockets into London and Birmingham from the US, would then Britain have the right to defend itself by force.

Technically, only about a third of colonial Americans were avowed Patriots. The British military had every right (in the scope of politics at the time) to be in their own colonies suppressing a rebellion.

George Washington and the rebel government that he fought for were very popular, but not entirely representative of all Americans by a long shot. Many vocal Loyalists were slaughtered or chased from their homes by Patriots, in particular in puritanical and radical New England. The British military had a duty, more so than a 'right', to protect their fellow British subjects from the 'tyranny' of the Continental Congress.

The Whig establishment on the home island sympathizing with the rebels, eroding the political will to fight a protracted war against Americans, rather than the 'terror' posed by Washington (or the French) is ultimately what caused them to 'leave'.

Israel is in no way analogous to this situation.

257 Killer Tomato  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 7:26:51pm

re: #238 Ojoe

Huh. Hadn't thought of it that way. Who does broadcast in hell?

Air America

258 stevieray  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 7:27:31pm

re: #197 wolfie

Linguists Paul Postal and Robert Levine reevaluate Chomsky's linguistics and find the same qualities there that others see in his politics: "a deep contempt for the truth, descents into incoherence, and verbal abuse of those who disagree with him."

Now, that is interesting.
I knew someone in the linguistics dept at a university where I used to teach, and he said that some of Chomsky's early work in linguistics was good but that the last few decades it's been awful. Looks like he's not alone in his estimation.

He got saddled with the label "genius" early in his career, and like many, he never lived up to the high expectations -- and it deeply messed with his mind.

259 Ojoe  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 7:27:34pm

re: #243 Dayenu

What right did Lincoln have to launch the Civil War?

"In your hands, not mine, my dissatisfied fellow countrymen, lies the momentous issue of civil war."

A. Lincoln, 1st inaugural address, IIRC.

260 Occasional Reader  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 7:27:37pm

re: #214 OldLineTexan

I want my Japanese mammoth, and I want it NOW.

I think an Irish Elk would be pretty cool.

261 So?  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 7:27:44pm

"Chumps always make the best husbands. When you marry, Sally, grab a chump. Tap his forehead first, and if it rings solid, don't hesitate." If it's hollow, send him on the university circuit.

262 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 7:27:45pm

re: #167 USBeast

" So we might agree, say, that, you know, the British army in the United States in the colonies in 1776 had a right to defend itself from the terror of George Washington’s armies, which was quite real, but it didn’t follow they had a right to defend themselves by force, because they had no right to be here. So, yes, they had a right to defend themselves, and they had a way to do it—namely, leave."

The complete and utter idiocy of the above is breathtaking. The ignorance of history is monumental. The discrediting of Chomsky is complete.

It's not even ignorance. I can't quite figure out what it is. It's kind of surreal.

263 winston06  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 7:28:19pm

re: #46 WhiteRasta

he is a Marxist. I wonder if Obama has read his books or not.

264 Sharmuta  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 7:28:44pm

re: #256 Scion9

Technically, only about a third of colonial Americans were avowed Patriots. The British military had every right (in the scope of politics at the time) to be in their own colonies suppressing a rebellion.

Yes- it's a very flawed analogy (as well as insulting).

265 winston06  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 7:28:52pm

re: #180 Cato the Elder

that's alright. These Marxists want every one dead

266 albusteve  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 7:29:06pm

re: #253 Naso Tang

Too late for me, but you haven't seen my kids.

bless you for that...I have two myself

267 winston06  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 7:29:45pm

re: #192 NY Nana

holy cow....

268 Dayenu  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 7:29:51pm

re: #259 Ojoe

Agreed. Of course.

But I'm certain Chomsky's logic could be applied quite well to justify the Confederates. That would be a nice analogy to hit him in the face with.

Turning against Chomsky was one of my steps to turning away from liberalism. When I did research on him, and found out about the forewards he wrote on behalf of Holocaust deniers...

269 winston06  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 7:30:16pm

re: #181 HelloDare

LMAO... funny

270 Occasional Reader  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 7:30:35pm

re: #264 Sharmuta

Yes- it's a very flawed analogy (as well as insulting).

Yep, and I missed the part where after the British departure, we kept send suicide bombers across the Atlantic to blow themselves up in London markets, as part of our avowed campaign to "wipe Britain off the face of the Earth".

I guess I wasn't reading "progressive" enough American history books.

271 Occasional Reader  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 7:31:09pm

re: #270 Occasional Reader

we kept send

...-ing

272 winston06  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 7:31:16pm

re: #268 Dayenu

[Link: jim.com...]

[Link: www.paulbogdanor.com...]

273 Kragar  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 7:31:44pm

re: #260 Occasional Reader

I think an Irish Elk would be pretty cool.

All I want are frickin raptors with frickin laser beams attached to their heads.

274 HelloDare  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 7:31:54pm

The Wit and Wisdom of Noam Chomsky
Compiled by Paul Bogdanor

ON COMMUNISM…

“One might argue, at least I would argue, that council communism... is the natural form of revolutionary socialism in an industrial society.”
(Government in the Future [Seven Stories Press, 2005], p27)

ON POVERTY…

“if we ever get anything like a kind of just society, things like my standard of living may very well not exist. In that sense, there will be, I think, material deprivation in some manner for a large part of the population. And I think there ought to be.”
(Interview, Black Rose, No. 1, 1974)

ON REVOLUTION…

“I suppose that, at some point, the ruling class will simply strike back by force, and there has to be defense against that force, and that probably means violent revolution.”
(Interview, Black Rose, No. 1, 1974)

ON TERROR…

“If it were true that the consequences of not using terror would be that the peasantry in Vietnam would continue to live in the state of the peasantry of the Philippines, then I think the use of terror would be justified.”
(Alexander Klein, ed., Dissent, Power, and Confrontation [McGraw-Hill, 1971], p119)

ON DICTATORSHIP…

- Maoist China

“But take China, modern China; one also finds many things that are really quite admirable… a good deal of the collectivization and communization was really based on mass participation and took place after a level of understanding had been reached in the peasantry…”
(Alexander Klein, ed., Dissent, Power, and Confrontation [McGraw-Hill, 1971], pp117-8)

- Stalinist North Vietnam

“I would like to express the great joy that we feel in your accomplishments… Your heroism reveals the capabilities of the human spirit and human will.”
(Radio Hanoi, April 14, 1970)

- Pol Pot’s Cambodia

“the evacuation of Phnom Penh, widely denounced at the time and since for its undoubted brutality, may actually have saved many lives. It is striking that the crucial facts rarely appear in the chorus of condemnations.”
(After the Cataclysm [South End Press, 1979], p160)

ON AMERICA…

“Such facts as these… raise the question whether what is needed in the United States today is dissent or denazification… I myself believe that what is needed is a kind of denazification.”
(Ethics, October 1968)

ON REPUBLICANS…

“The new Republicans represent a kind of proto-fascism. There’s a real sadism. They want to go for the jugular. Anybody who doesn’t meet their standards, they want to kill, not just oppose, but destroy.”
(The Progressive, March 1996)

ON ZIONISM…

“Hitler’s conceptions have struck a responsive chord in current Zionist commentary.”
(Fateful Triangle [rev. ed., Pluto Press, 1999], p208)

ON JUDAISM...

“In the Jewish community, the Orthodox rabbinate imposes its interpretation of religious law... Were similar principles to apply to Jews elsewhere, we would not hesitate to condemn this revival of the Nuremberg laws.”
(Foreword, Sabri Jiryis, The Arabs in Israel [Monthly Review Press, 1976], pviii)

ON ISRAEL…

“Israel’s ‘secret weapon’… is that it may behave in the manner of what have sometimes been called ‘crazy states’ in the international affairs literature… eventuating in a final solution from which few will escape.”
(Fateful Triangle [rev. ed., Pluto Press, 1999], pp468-9)

ON JEWS…

“The Jewish community here is deeply totalitarian. They do not want democracy, they do not want freedom.”
(Interview, Shmate: A Journal of Progressive Jewish Thought, Summer 1988)

ON ANTISEMITISM…

“Jews in the US are the most privileged and influential part of the population... privileged people want to make sure they have total control, not just 98% control. That’s why antisemitism is becoming an issue.”
(Variant, Scotland, Winter 2002)

275 HelloDare  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 7:32:01pm

ON THE HOLOCAUST…

“I see no antisemitic implications in denial of the existence of gas chambers, or even denial of the holocaust.”
(Quadrant, Australia, October 1981)

ON THE COLD WAR…

“in comparison to the conditions imposed by US tyranny and violence, East Europe under Russian rule was practically a paradise.”
(Letter, in Alexander Cockburn, The Golden Age Is In Us [Verso, 1995], pp149-151)

ON 9/11…

“This is certainly a turning point: for the first time in history the victims are returning the blow to the motherland.”
(La Jornada, Mexico, September 15, 2001)

ON THE WAR ON TERROR…

“Western civilization is anticipating the slaughter of, well do the arithmetic, 3-4 million people or something like that… Looks like what’s happening is some sort of silent genocide… we are in the midst of apparently trying to murder 3 or 4 million people…”
(Lecture, Massachusetts Institute of Technology, October 18, 2001)

276 the_flying_pig  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 7:33:05pm

I take serious issue with Chomsky's take:


So we might agree, say, that, you know, the British army in the United States in the colonies in 1776 had a right to defend itself from the terror of George Washington’s armies, which was quite real...

Fuck you and rot in hell, Chomsky!

277 Occasional Reader  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 7:33:31pm

re: #273 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

All I want are frickin raptors with frickin laser beams attached to their heads.

Possible, but you may have to be a bit patient.

278 Sharmuta  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 7:33:41pm

re: #270 Occasional Reader

Yep, and I missed the part where after the British departure, we kept send suicide bombers across the Atlantic to blow themselves up in London markets, as part of our avowed campaign to "wipe Britain off the face of the Earth".

I guess I wasn't reading "progressive" enough American history books.

Yep- and my civics teachers failed to point out that article in the Constitution where we Americans call for the annihilation of England. Pretty big failing on their part, if you ask me. Bad history, bad civics. What will become of us?

279 Jim in Virginia  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 7:34:09pm

re: #263 winston06

he is a Marxist. I wonder if Obama has read his books or not.


O was at Harvard. He had half a dozen copies of Chomsky in the dorm room. Never read them.

280 [deleted]  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 7:34:28pm
281 Achilles Tang  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 7:34:35pm

re: #255 Occasional Reader

"Have you been to the DMV lately? It's like a leper colony down there."

-J. Seinfeld

Funny you should bring that up. My license was for 10 years, but the last time I was there waiting my turn this little gray haired lady comes up to me and says in a clear voice "You have the light about you" and by that point I couldn't quite hear the rest as my brain froze. Then she went back and sat down again.

Leper no, but pure Seinfed, yes.

282 wolfie  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 7:34:57pm

re: #258 stevieray

He got saddled with the label "genius" early in his career, and like many, he never lived up to the high expectations -- and it deeply messed with his mind.

I think you're on to something there. He couldn't keep it going. He got a taste for the applause, but couldn't get it in his field anymore.
So maybe he sold his soul to get it elsewhere.

283 Dayenu  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 7:35:30pm

re: #272 winston06

Looks like ample reading!

For amusement, here's Chomsky and Zinn discussing the unfair treatment of Mordor and the provocation of the Hobbits in "Chomsky and Zinn discuss Lord of the Rings"

[Link: mcsweeneys.net...]

[Yes, its satirical]

284 Randall Gross  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 7:35:45pm

re: #211 ploome hineni

Charles, have you seen this?

[Link: www.telegraph.co.uk...]

Amazing

285 Ojoe  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 7:36:18pm

re: #268 Dayenu

Ever hear Chomsky speak? He drones on and on & would put the most caffeinated normal person right to sleep.

Lefties hang on his every word though, to have their prejudices reinforced.

286 dkeeneii  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 7:36:23pm

Why does anyone pay attention to this man?

287 schlagerman  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 7:36:48pm

re: #153 Killer Tomato

Of course that's not what he meant. It was more of a rhetorical question. I should have stated that.

288 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 7:37:18pm

re: #221 Alouette

I have never seen an article in the NY Times, Guardian, Independent, Haaretz, Reuters, Al-Jazeera or any anti-Israel media written by a member of Neturei Karta, but they will happily publish pieces by Chomsky.

Maybe I'm going too far in assuming that members of NK can read and write.

3 factors there.

1. Neturei Carta, despite their political weirdness, have all the disadvantages of other obviously haredi and non-assimilated Jews in the public sphere. They are neither acceptably western nor genuinely 'indigenous', and cannot be relied on to say what mainstream lefties want to hear or are interested in.

2. Neturei Carta doesn't give a damn what NY Times, Guardian, Independent, Haaretz, Reuters, Al-Jazeera or any anti-Israel media thinks, so I doubt they court being published by them.

3. I'm sure they can write, but I doubt many of them can write at all well in English.

289 nyc redneck  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 7:37:44pm

re: #212 WriterMom

I am feeling particularly feisty and inspired after finishing Tammy Bruce's book today. LOL. I want to give her a big hug-PLATONIC of course.

did you read "the death of right and wrong?"
i loved it.

290 Paul  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 7:38:17pm

Chomsky is like that other fossil of the Left, Howard Zinn. Both have said or written nothing new or insightful for decades, but they're trotted out regularly on leftie talk shows to spew their stale anti-American and anti-Israeli crapola.

291 WriterMom  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 7:38:45pm

re: #289 nyc redneck

No, I just finished the one on the Thought Police. Very good one.

292 Catttt  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 7:39:31pm

re: #234 Occasional Reader

That sounds... dirty.

Nah. There's a $200 fine for littering, and no Styrofoam or glass allowed on the river. Heh.

Here is a map of the "long float" route.

293 yochanan  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 7:40:16pm

re: #283 Dayenu

I going to climb into my hobbit hole and close it behind me

294 albusteve  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 7:41:12pm

re: #293 yochanan

I going to climb into my hobbit hole and close it behind me


the IRS will find you regardless

295 wolfie  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 7:41:33pm

re: #283 Dayenu

Bookmarked. That looks like a hoot!

296 pink freud  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 7:41:34pm

re: #290 Paul

Chomsky is like that other fossil of the Left, Howard Zinn. Both have said or written nothing new or insightful for decades, but they're trotted out regularly on leftie talk shows to spew their stale anti-American and anti-Israeli crapola.

Elephants drown in my revulsion.

297 the_flying_pig  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 7:41:36pm

I put Noam Chomsky in the same class as Adolph Hitler, Mao, Stalin, Pol Pot, Dr. Joseph Mengele and Jim Jones. The class of Evil.

298 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 7:41:37pm

re: #260 Occasional Reader

I think an Irish Elk would be pretty cool.

As an incidental, I you would like to see the original mural that the picture linked to is from, you can see it at Chicago's Field Museum of Natural History. Chicago has taken a lot of knocks here lately and I just wanted to highlight one of the great things about the city of my birth.

299 Killer Tomato  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 7:41:40pm

re: #287 schlagerman

Sorry. Hard to tell on a monitor.

300 Dayenu  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 7:42:08pm

re: #293 yochanan

There's a line in "Fellowship" where Gandalf is describing why Sauron would want to conquer even the remote Shire. "Hobbits as miserable slaves would please him much more than Hobbits happy and free."

I substitute "Jews" for "Hobbits" and it's impressive how accurate the line becomes for... too many people.

301 rightwinger3  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 7:42:18pm

Mr Chumpsky please watch this:

302 Scion9  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 7:42:23pm

re: #243 Dayenu

You know, that makes a good point actually...

What right did Lincoln have to launch the Civil War? Didn't the South declare that it was their land, and that the Union had no right to impose their rules on them any longer?

Wasn't Lincoln threatening the rights of the Confederates to form their own laws, their own traditions, free from the controlling fist of Washington DC?

(And who cares if the South kept slaves? The Palestinians are certainly morally inferior to the Israelis, and that doesn't stop them from getting Chomsky's support).

The Confederates claimed that their State's Rights were being violated, based largely on the presumption of what they believed Lincoln would do, rather than what he actually did do. Of course, they might have been right given some Washington pushed tariffs of arguable Constitutionality, but there is no way to tell how that would have played out.

They also made the claim of 'self-determination'. Being that they were involved in the democratic process this doesn't hold any water and is just whining over spilled milk. They pursued their agenda with democratic methods; they lost, then determined they would get their agenda through military means.

What's more is that the real beef with "The North" was that slavery was not being allowed into the new territories, which has absolutely nothing to do with the rights of the Southern States.

It is also very likely that they wouldn't have just seceded if not challenged, but used their military to expand slavery into the new territories, adding them to the Confederacy by force.

Overall, while some of their complaints were valid, the leaders of the Confederacy were not the Romantics that they would paint themselves as (starting during the war as a Union victory became a possibility). I don't think there is any war in history where the losers have been able to write as much history as the American Civil War.

303 Occasional Reader  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 7:43:05pm

re: #212 WriterMom

I am feeling particularly feisty and inspired after finishing Tammy Bruce's book today. LOL. I want to give her a big hug-PLATONIC of course.

You could give her a little kiss at the same time, just to show that you care.

[surreptitiously reaching for video camera]

304 albusteve  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 7:44:28pm

re: #298 Dark_Falcon

As an incidental, I you would like to see the original mural that the picture linked to is from, you can see it at Chicago's Field Museum of Natural History. Chicago has taken a lot of knocks here lately and I just wanted to highlight one of the great things about the city of my birth.

I love Chicago...grew up in Kalamazoo across the lake...the Field Museum is a world class museum in a world class town...there is no other city quite like Chicago...none, not even NYC imo

305 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 7:44:44pm

.

306 schlagerman  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 7:45:32pm

re: #299 Killer Tomato

No problem. It just infuriates me when I hear asinine comments about our founders.

307 WriterMom  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 7:46:14pm

re: #303 Occasional Reader

You already saw that movie at your bachelor party, right?

308 Ojoe  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 7:46:19pm

re: #302 Scion9

Northerners knew that mankind's experiment with self rule would end then and there if the South won.

Among other things, the aristocracy of Europe was watching closely, and the common man of the United States then had much more of a sense of history than he does today.

Now,we are shameful in our ignorance and narrow view, speaking of US citizens in general.

309 loggiedog  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 7:46:59pm

Ahh Chomsky, the pride of MIT. His expertise in Linguistics does not carry into politics. What goes through a man's head who is born to Holocaust survivors to wish another one on the Jewish people? What is it? Does anyone see this as a strange case of the "Stockholm Syndrome?" In this case, the oppressor becomes admired, and the victim joins in his own victimization. Oppression of the Jews is fashionable and intellectually stimulating these days. What is MIT thinking to honor this verbal flamethrower?

310 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 7:47:13pm

re: #293 yochanan

I going to climb into my hobbit hole and close it behind me

re: #300 Dayenu

There's a line in "Fellowship" where Gandalf is describing why Sauron would want to conquer even the remote Shire. "Hobbits as miserable slaves would please him much more than Hobbits happy and free."

I substitute "Jews" for "Hobbits" and it's impressive how accurate the line becomes for... too many people.

And in The Two Towers Merry makes the same point if not as eloquently in convincing Pippen that they must get the Ents to fight. Totalitarians like Hamas, Hitler and Sauron find the very existence of freedom intolerable. They will never leave free people alone. They must be neutralized and their organizations destroyed. Again I say:

Hamas Delenda Est.

311 pink freud  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 7:49:22pm

re: #309 loggiedog

Ahh Chomsky, the pride of MIT. His expertise in Linguistics does not carry into politics. What goes through a man's head who is born to Holocaust survivors to wish another one on the Jewish people? What is it? Does anyone see this as a strange case of the "Stockholm Syndrome?" In this case, the oppressor becomes admired, and the victim joins in his own victimization. Oppression of the Jews is fashionable and intellectually stimulating these days. What is MIT thinking to honor this verbal flamethrower?

It's simple ...he's their kind of people!

Same with Columbia and Amadinejad.

312 Hard Right  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 7:49:26pm

Noam you syphilitic whore of the caliphate...
This scumbag makes his money preaching hatred against America, yet refuses to leave. I say we deport him and trade him for someone who wants to be here and loves this country.

313 albusteve  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 7:49:34pm

re: #310 Dark_Falcon

And in The Two Towers Merry makes the same point if not as eloquently in convincing Pippen that they must get the Ents to fight. Totalitarians like Hamas, Hitler and Sauron find the very existence of freedom intolerable. They will never leave free people alone. They must be neutralized and their organizations destroyed. Again I say:

Hamas Delenda Est.

Merry was a pipeweed addict...Sauron had all the good stuff ripped from the Shire

314 nyc redneck  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 7:50:19pm

chumpmeister is a twisted s.o.b..
w/ the rhetoric of a lunatic.

315 SpartanWoman  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 7:52:46pm

re: #20 DisturbedEma

Oh, but that would be supporting genocide, and that wouldbe wrong the UN would never stand. . .um the US would never. . .um, oh SHIT!

I think this is dear leader's plan too.

316 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 7:55:57pm

re: #313 albusteve

Merry was a pipeweed addict...Sauron had all the good stuff ripped from the Shire

Pipeweed is just tobacco in LotR. It ruins your lungs, but it doesn't warp your brain. And Saruman's assault on the Shire (which was not depicted in the movies) is further evidence that Merry is right: The evil forces at work will never be content until they have annihilated freedom and made the whole world bow at their altar.

317 ClosetConservative  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 8:02:59pm

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318 finallyhere  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 8:07:10pm

When Islamic Radicals declare that they plan to kill all Jews, they do not plan to make exception for Chomsky, as Hitler would send him to oven without the second thought. The fact that Chomsky hates other Jews as much as Hitler hated Jews or Ahmadinejad hates Jews would not help Chomsky at all.

319 OldLineTexan  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 8:08:41pm

re: #316 Dark_Falcon

Pipeweed is just tobacco in LotR. It ruins your lungs, but it doesn't warp your brain. And Saruman's assault on the Shire (which was not depicted in the movies) is further evidence that Merry is right: The evil forces at work will never be content until they have annihilated freedom and made the whole world bow at their altar.

We may need a Scouring of the Shire; it's too bad it was cut from the movie. Prof. Tolkien considered it vital to the story.

320 finallyhere  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 8:09:10pm

re: #312 Hard Right

Noam you syphilitic whore of the caliphate...
This scumbag makes his money preaching hatred against America, yet refuses to leave. I say we deport him and trade him for someone who wants to be here and loves this country.

I have a great place for him. Let's send him to Gaza.

321 MrPaulRevere  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 8:11:01pm

For those that prefer a little meat on the bone, I suggest they check into 'The Anti-Chomsky reader' by the magnificent duo of Peter Collier and David Horowitz. [Link: www.amazon.com...]

322 quickjustice  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 8:12:43pm

re: #302 Scion9

Good scholarship! ;-) Once the Kansas-Nebraska compromise was renounced by Lincoln and the Republicans, the South realized that free states would be added to the Union without counterbalancing slave states.

That imbalance doomed the existing balance of power between North (free) and South (slave) in the Congress, and also skewed the electoral votes for President, ensuring Northern dominance of the Presidency in the future. Dominance of the Presidency also ensured Northern dominance of the Supreme Court. The slave states decided not to accept this, and rebelled.

My family were Unionist. They paid a heavy price in blood for their stand.

323 cincinnati_kid37  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 8:14:11pm

Avram Noam Chomsky (pronounced /noʊm ˈtʃɑmski/; born December 7, 1928) is an American linguist, philosopher,[2][3][4] cognitive scientist, political activist, author, and lecturer. He is an Institute Professor emeritus and professor emeritus of linguistics at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology.[5] Chomsky is well known in the academic and scientific community as the father of modern linguistics.[6][7] Since the 1960s, he has become known more widely as a political dissident, an anarchist,[8] and a libertarian socialist intellectual.

Hey Noam. Fuck You. Try to do something with your life that requires more than reading and writing.

324 Ojoe  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 8:20:55pm

re: #322 quickjustice

The slave states decided not to accept this, and rebelled.

"Rule or ruin" was the phrase at the time, describing the attitude of the South.

325 DisturbedEma  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 8:21:00pm

re: #39 CynicalConservative

Why are we in this handbasket, an why is it getting warmer?

Hmmm- Hopenchange syndrome?

326 Ojoe  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 8:22:57pm

re: #323 cincinnati_kid37

Your point is well taken, Cincinnati.

Build something 3-dimentional Noam, which has to work. Do this until you are good at it, then I might listen to you.

327 DisturbedEma  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 8:24:02pm

re: #316 Dark_Falcon

Pipeweed is just tobacco in LotR. It ruins your lungs, but it doesn't warp your brain. And Saruman's assault on the Shire (which was not depicted in the movies) is further evidence that Merry is right: The evil forces at work will never be content until they have annihilated freedom and made the whole world bow at their altar.

Yep- and Christopher Lee, a ardent fan of the series- he reads it every year, was very sad with the theater version- and was only sort of comforted by the extended version. . .

328 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 8:24:57pm

Nobody takes that clown serious anyway, except for the people who take clowns seriously on a regular basis.

329 exredtory  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 8:27:30pm

NC says:
"So we might agree, say, that, you know, the British army in the United States in the colonies in 1776 had a right to defend itself from the terror of George Washington’s armies, which was quite real, but it didn’t follow they had a right to defend themselves by force, because they had no right to be here."

As Spock would say: "illogical" Or at least fallacious, i.e. false premise, to wit, "they had no right to be here" which, of course, the British Army did at the time.

And if you don't defend yourself by force, how do you defend yourself? Satygraha is not a defence, it is a passive hope that your enemy won't kill you if you don't resist - in the same way a submissive dog offers its neck to the alpha dog to save itself.

For someone supposedly possessed of a great intellect, why does Chomsky do this? I heard a recording of him speaking a while back, and he sounded tired and confused. Is he displaying signs of dementia? I know, ad hominem, but seriously, a thinker of his supposed stature should know better.

330 Teacake!  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 8:29:11pm

Atheists shouldn't be allowed to have an opinion on religion-based conflicts.

331 Scion9  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 8:30:24pm

re: #328 000G

Nobody takes that clown serious anyway, except for the people who take clowns seriously on a regular basis.

That is an unfortunately large group of people. Even more unfortunate I suspect one of them is in the White House.

332 z9z99  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 8:30:43pm

How a real journalist would have responded to Mr. Chomsky:

Audio

333 azkidney  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 8:32:37pm

The French has been defending themselves without the use of force for a long time. How has that worked out for them?

Wait...did he say George Washington was a leader of a terrorist group?

So where would this clown be living if George didn't defend himself and his armies with force?

Where do these people come from?

334 Ojoe  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 8:35:16pm

re: #332 z9z99

That's fabulous, who said it, and to whom?

335 claspur  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 8:35:42pm

Looks late to comment on Noam ChomPski here tonight....sometime I hope to jump into-comment on a good protest in Chicago I was at Peavy Plaza,(Sears Tower) back just two weeks before we jumped into Iraq.
It was at a Pro rally...and it was a total hoot....the Anti-Bushies were fenced-in..well, it was just too funny.
I ran into a couple yelling idiots....they called me a spy for The CID...lmao...paranoid boobs...funny stuff, and I can still locate tape I shot that day. ;o)

336 cincinnati_kid37  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 8:42:27pm

re: #326 Ojoe

Your point is well taken, Cincinnati.

Build something 3-dimentional Noam, which has to work. Do this until you are good at it, then I might listen to you.

Thank you. Actually, I should have said "Try to do something with your life besides reading and writing."

But yes, I've had it with the intellectuals who do not have a resume that includes actually doing something in order to see if theoretical translates to physical. It usually doesn't by my experience. Ask any architect or engineer.

337 z9z99  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 8:45:05pm

re: #334 Ojoe

Josh Mostel's character said it in the movie Billy Madison.

338 NervyNews  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 8:45:18pm

I think Chomsky would be happy with the latest Israel smear piece by Bob Simon at CBS 60 Minutes. See HERE.

339 Dayenu  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 8:50:33pm

re: #327 DisturbedEma

Didn't know about the extended version. What to they include that was gone from the main releases?

I was always disappointed how the Fellowship movie ruined Frodo's best moment (showing how he decides, by himself, to abandon the fellowship, rather than the movie having others make the choice for him) and how Return of the King ruined Sam's best moment (showing where he agonized over whether or not to take the ring from Frodo's "corpse.") Not to mention the Scouring of the Shire...

So what'd I miss in the expanded version?

340 Ojoe  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 8:51:33pm

re: #336 cincinnati_kid37

I was working for an engineer once. We were designing trusses & checking them with a computer program. One of his designs failed (on the computer). I asked, did the wind take it out? (it was a roof truss). No, he said, gravity took it out. Engineers deal with the truth on a very basic level.

LOL

341 Ojoe  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 8:52:29pm

re: #339 Dayenu

The books are better they don't leave anything out.

342 DisturbedEma  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 9:03:15pm

re: #339 Dayenu

Didn't know about the extended version. What to they include that was gone from the main releases?

I was always disappointed how the Fellowship movie ruined Frodo's best moment (showing how he decides, by himself, to abandon the fellowship, rather than the movie having others make the choice for him) and how Return of the King ruined Sam's best moment (showing where he agonized over whether or not to take the ring from Frodo's "corpse.") Not to mention the Scouring of the Shire...

So what'd I miss in the expanded version?

The dispatching of Sauromon- they added the Vaoice of Sauron. . .waaaaay creepy. . .and the house of healing was added as well. . .and well lots of little snicky. . .

343 Keyboard  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 9:03:24pm

I know this has been said before, but seriously, if you're going to spout stuff like that, leave the US. His comments are implying that the US has no right to exist either. He should put his money where his mouth is, if he really believes that.

344 capitalist piglet  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 9:04:25pm

re: #30 BignJames

Defend itself, but not w/force? Talking has worked so well so far.

I'm not even sure what the hell he means, and I'm not convinced he does either. Force, as in...military action? Isn't the other side using military action? So it's inappropriate to defend yourself from military action by using...military action?

Anybody here speak Chomsky?

345 claspur  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 9:05:37pm

Reading a blog like this and other tears about Chomsky is all I need.

Getting shouted-down from the most yelling-inside that barrier at Peavy Plaza, and one old man commie shouting at me with his bandaged arm, that the police had arrested him the night before after putting him down in the street...I just yelled at him to go live in a country you'd be happier in?
That's when the cage began to sway....at me. lol
(best damn protest I was ever in-in my life)

That's been the problem for too long now...the conservatives aren't as violent in their oppositional protesting as these idiots that don't care about this nation in the first place?

My name is Buck...and I don't give a whole bed of Roses about idiots like this anymore.

346 quickjustice  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 9:06:35pm

He's an "intellectual". That means he can advocate for whatever pops into his head. He doesn't have to test it against reason and experience.

Socialism (National socialism = Nazi) and communism caused tens of millions of deaths and much more suffering during the 20th Century. These people learn nothing from that experience.

347 Ojoe  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 9:08:43pm

re: #342 DisturbedEma

I think the movie scene of Gandalf expelling Saruman & breaking his staff is way weaker than in the book.

Oh well, good night all.

348 claspur  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 9:08:54pm

Excile Obama now...send him back to Kenya! *Pat Pen

349 Keyboard  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 9:10:01pm

Note: I misread what Chomsky was saying -- it's not clear if he's implying that the US shouldn't exist. Disregard my earlier comment.

350 claspur  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 9:12:35pm

re: #349 Keyboard

I know precisely were Bill Ayers lives. ;o)

351 claspur  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 9:14:40pm

reading....brb

352 NoelArmourson  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 9:45:09pm

re: #338 GNIDAthe#seCond

I saw just a bit of that atrocious piece before changing channels, and found myself shouting at the TV about how the "wall" had significantly reduced the number of suicide bombing incidents and had nothing to do with "apartheidt".

353 Dayenu  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 9:57:15pm

I wonder when...

...the Arabs will give back the land they illegally conquered in the 7th century Jihad wars?

354 abolitionist  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 10:23:20pm

re: #330 Teacake!

Atheists shouldn't be allowed to have an opinion on religion-based conflicts.

I vehemently disagree. Atheists have as much of a stake as anyone in opposing the supremacist ideology of islam.

355 LGoPs  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 10:32:28pm

re: #344 capitalist piglet

I'm not even sure what the hell he means, and I'm not convinced he does either. Force, as in...military action? Isn't the other side using military action? So it's inappropriate to defend yourself from military action by using...military action?

Anybody here speak Chomsky?

it's a dead language....
/

356 MisterCookie  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 11:07:04pm

There is no curse in English, Hebrew, or the tongues of Asia for this stupidity...

/Treebeard

357 Mauser  Sun, Feb 1, 2009 12:34:35am

re: #64 WhiteRasta

I wonder what he would be saying if he lived in Israel?

"Ow! Who threw that? Ow! Hey! Quit it with the rocks! Bricks? What did I ever do to you?"

358 DaChew  Sun, Feb 1, 2009 5:01:21am

I just don't get this fascination the left has with Noam Chomsky. This is a man who has been wrong about every prediction and every claim he's made for the last 35 years.
I'm old enough to still be waiting for him to explain precisely where all the dead bodies in Cambodia's killing fields came from. They can't be Cambodians, Noam said the Khmer Rouge weren't killing anyone. The reports of massacres were exagerations and lies. Once he's explained that, maybe he can also help find all of the bodies from the "savage silent genocide" he said the U.S. was perpetrating in Afghanistan 5 years ago.
I would've thought that, by now, even Democracy Now would be embarrassed to have this idiot on.

359 Ron Shaw  Sun, Feb 1, 2009 5:52:47am

You might deduce that Noam Chomsky is worthy of a high post on the Obama team.

360 JAT  Sun, Feb 1, 2009 6:04:18am

Chomsky should leave!

361 RexMundi  Sun, Feb 1, 2009 6:04:52am

re: #330 Teacake!

Atheists shouldn't be allowed to have an opinion on religion-based conflicts.

Maybe if religious people were actually contained in a completely different universe than the ones that atheists were in to where all the ridiculous religious wars that spilled so much blood over thousands of years would not affect them...then atheists would have no knowledge--and therefore, no reason, to comment upon the actions of the warring, irrational mystics and their holy wars. But, unfortunately, atheists have to share this literally Godforsaken planet with the theists.

362 winston06  Sun, Feb 1, 2009 6:47:57am

re: #358 DaChew

Leftism is about low levels of IQ and intelligence. It's about false stuff. That's why they love him.

363 Cheese Eating Victory Monkey  Sun, Feb 1, 2009 6:50:09am

Does Chomsky have the right to earn a nice living in America as an anti-American communist?

I'd like to see him pull that off in Cuba.

364 Flavia  Sun, Feb 1, 2009 7:04:28am

re: #3 DisturbedEma

re: #1 CynicalConservative

May get deleted, but worth a try. Hey Noam, you first.

And go where exactly?

I know where I'D send him....

365 winston06  Sun, Feb 1, 2009 7:06:28am

re: #363 Cheese Eating Victory Monkey

I have always wondered why most famous Commies decide to live in America and not in Cuba

366 Flavia  Sun, Feb 1, 2009 7:15:50am

re: #104 So?

Hey Noam, go invent a new alphabet. Leave politics to the ____________. Hmmm, I'm at a loss here.

"Smart people."
"Honest people"
"Decent people"

I'm not at any such loss.

367 winston06  Sun, Feb 1, 2009 7:54:35am

re: #366 Flavia

Noam Chimpsky knows no decency or honesty, like most leftists

368 VioletTiger  Sun, Feb 1, 2009 8:10:12am

What an asshole.
We need a colony on the moon -- the perfect place for these idiots.

369 docremulac  Sun, Feb 1, 2009 8:15:15am

I've always said the new Nazis won't come back wearing swastikas. They'll speak in low, dulcet tones sounding like intellectually infallible founts of wisdoms, wearing sweaters and sitting in respectable institutions like MIT and Harvard.

And they won't refer to it as "the final solution" this time.

Jews might even be allowed in this new movement if they support the extermination of their people, although that's nothing new. On occasion the NAZIs would find some Jew who was willing to sell out his people and help with their "processing" similarly to what Chomsky is doing. No group is completely devoid of assh*les.

It's important to re-package your brand the second time around. NAZI has a bad reputation attached to it. Progressive has a lot more appeal.

370 Dr. Shalit  Sun, Feb 1, 2009 8:40:53am

Remember - "NAH-ZEE" - was a contraction in German for "NATIONAL SOCIALIST." That is all.

-S-

371 Dr. Shalit  Sun, Feb 1, 2009 8:54:37am

re: #365 winston06

I have always wondered why most famous Commies decide to live in America and not in Cuba

Winston 06 -

Probably because they couldn't afford CUBAN CELL PHONE SERVICE - Pre-Paid only, $325 CUC'S/Dollars to buy and activate a phone you can buy at Radio Shack for $20 without activation or $10 with activation. (Note to CHARLES, you should buy an AT&T "Go-Phone" in case the iPhone has problems and keep it on the shelf as a spare, uses the same "SIM" card, won't do everything the iPhone will by a long shot - will, however allow you to keep communicating.) Oh yes, minutes are about 45 cents each in a nation where $20/Month is good wages.

-S-

372 geoffputerbaugh  Sun, Feb 1, 2009 8:57:18am

I am NO FAN of Noam Chomsky --- one of my favorite books is The Anti-Chomsky Reader. But I think people are misreading this excerpt.

The whole thing is a ridiculous comparison of America and Britain during the War of Independence, with Israel and the Palestinians. So the main point is to discuss the War of Independence in the terms that conservatives (allegedly) use about Israel and "Palestine." So Chumpsky refers to the Americans as "terrorists," and suggests that the proper course for the British Army was to "defend itself" by leaving. At no point does Chomsky say that Israel should "leave." That could be inferred by extending his idiotic comparison, but he does not actually say that.

Chomsky has too much genuine idiocy already on the record to mess it up with this misreading of him. My favorite Chomsky idiocy is in linguistics, not politics. Chomsky has long regarded language ability as "inborn," which would imply for most people that it is an evolved genetic trait. But Chomsky has always refused to even discuss any evolutionary basis for his theories --- and it's not that hard to find some (a la Derek Bickerton). Someone finally cornered this raving idiot and asked him how he could account for an "innate language ability" without taking evolution into consideration, and Chomsky answered, without smiling, that it might have been an instance of something directly implanted by God.

So the circle was joined, and this (ho ho) leading liberal became not only an anti-Semite but a Creationist.

Well, too much time wasted on Chomsky already!

373 Hermosa  Sun, Feb 1, 2009 9:00:53am

Noam Chomsky is assigned reading for millions of university students and has been for a very long time. Some of those ideas are rejected, but the onslaught of such ideas are almost impossible to resist. I am fearful.

374 sakublock  Sun, Feb 1, 2009 9:06:28am

how does the left feel about Chomsky implying that Obama is and Uncle Tom?

375 Dadzilla  Sun, Feb 1, 2009 9:09:12am

No, the palestinians should leave and go to lebanon, jordan, and syria. Israel from the river to the sea.

376 FrogMarch  Sun, Feb 1, 2009 9:09:58am

I think missiles should be launched into Chomsky's back yard - oh and Jimmy Carters too.


/not a threat - just a suggestion.

377 neverquit  Sun, Feb 1, 2009 9:10:20am

I read some stuff on/by Samantha Power at Harvard's website. She sounds just like Chomsky.

378 FrogMarch  Sun, Feb 1, 2009 9:11:31am

The Uber left-wingers who run Democracy Now winked and nodded when they mentioned the Minnesota senate race. They knew that Franken would steel it.

379 FrogMarch  Sun, Feb 1, 2009 9:14:22am

Democracy Now - should have a more apt title: Fascism Now.

380 leereyno  Sun, Feb 1, 2009 9:53:31am

re: #22 karmic_inquisitor

Good point - isn't Chomsky occupying Indian land?

My buds from Bangalore have been telling me that for years now.

381 Lopakhin  Sun, Feb 1, 2009 9:56:33am

Israel did leave Gaza—completely—and they were repaid for this wrenching, painful decision with nothing but more terrorist violence.

When Chomsky suggests Israel should “leave,” he’s saying the same thing as Mahmoud Ahmadinejad: Israel should leave the face of the earth.

Not sure if anyone has made this point, but if you read the rest of his reply, it seems that he thinks Israel should leave the West Bank as well as Gaza - i.e. he's in favour of a two-state solution.

382 leereyno  Sun, Feb 1, 2009 10:15:23am

re: #373 Hermosa

Noam Chomsky is assigned reading for millions of university students and has been for a very long time. Some of those ideas are rejected, but the onslaught of such ideas are almost impossible to resist. I am fearful.

I understand what you mean. I have a younger friend who is very bright but very ignorant of the world. He went away to college and was converted into an extreme atheist leftist (but I repeat myself). He isn't just a believer either, but a proselytizer. It gets really annoying at times having to deal with his constant attempts at manipulation. Being a leftist now, deception is second nature to him.

The good news is that here in Arizona that sort of nonsense has resulted in the state legislature using the recession as an excuse to cut funding to our state universities. Arizona is a state comprised of Mormons and rugged individualists. Our local Democratic party is more conservative than the Republican party in places like California. A recent Pew study put Phoenix at the top of the list of cities that appeal to Republicans. So I'm sure you can imagine how the leftist antics at our public universities has been perceived by the public. So now the chickens have come home to roost.

The result will be a large increase in tuition fees. This is good news because students who are paying more money to be at the university will, in theory at least, be more particular about the things they are being taught. If some moonbat professor wants to preach the gospels of Gramscian Marxism and Anti-Americanism to his students in lieu of teaching Biology, then he'll have to find students who are willing to pay him to do so.

I personally think that each academic department should be primarily self-supporting. This would put an end to imaginary disciplines that can best be described as leftist-studies. Good luck finding someone who will pay you to have a conniption about the patriarchy, or fund you to explain to the world how Whitey is the devil.

383 Charles Johnson  Sun, Feb 1, 2009 10:15:48am

No, I can't cut Chomsky any slack for trying to clean up the implications of his statements later in the interview. He's very aware that a "two-state" solution would really be ONE legitimate state -- Israel -- and a terrorist rogue state on their border. His idea that all Israel has to do is withdraw completely from the West Bank and the violence from Palestinians will magically cease, is willfully naive and dishonest -- he knows very well that the Palestinian goal is the complete destruction of Israel, and that no amount of "withdrawing" will change that. This has been overwhelmingly clear for decades, and the Palestinians don't even try to hide this intent.

So when he says that Israel has no right to use force to defend themselves, he's saying that Israel should lay down their weapons and consent to being wiped out.

384 leereyno  Sun, Feb 1, 2009 10:23:26am

re: #361 RexMundi

Maybe if religious people were actually contained in a completely different universe than the ones that atheists were in to where all the ridiculous religious wars that spilled so much blood over thousands of years would not affect them...then atheists would have no knowledge--and therefore, no reason, to comment upon the actions of the warring, irrational mystics and their holy wars. But, unfortunately, atheists have to share this literally Godforsaken planet with the theists.

Atheists have killed millions more than all of the OTHER religions combined.

Make no mistake, atheism is not a neutral position, but a religious doctrine just like all the rest.

385 [deleted]  Sun, Feb 1, 2009 10:41:02am
386 [deleted]  Sun, Feb 1, 2009 10:50:12am
387 Randall Gross  Sun, Feb 1, 2009 11:35:39am

The brain twisted defenders of Chomsky are legion.

388 Daisy  Sun, Feb 1, 2009 11:36:18am

Chompsky and me have something in common: We both hate Noam Chompsky.

389 Lopakhin  Sun, Feb 1, 2009 2:05:56pm

re: #383 Charles

he knows very well that the Palestinian goal is the complete destruction of Israel, and that no amount of "withdrawing" will change that. This has been overwhelmingly clear for decades, and the Palestinians don't even try to hide this intent.

Yeah, I think that's true of large parts of the Palestinian leadership, obviously Hamas and probably parts of Fatah/PLO too. But there is evidence that the Palestinian *people* themselves favour a two-state solution, e.g. this poll. I would agree with you that a unilateral withdrawal from the West Bank, along the lines of the Gaza withdrawal a few years ago, would most likely meet with the unacceptable results you describe. I suppose some of us would like to believe in the possibility of a negotiated solution producing two states, but I admit that this doesn't look very likely in current circumstances.

390 tsionguy  Sun, Feb 1, 2009 3:41:38pm

The problem with most of the past negotiations with Palestinians is that they were overwhelmingly pre-occupied with the demands of the Palestinians, while asking for little more than "peace" in return. Akin to a mugging victim telling the mugger "Take all my money, just please don't hurt me." The Israeli left has forgotten why Israel has to fight back. And by fighting, I mean both on the battlefield, and in the media. Any professional negotiator will tell you that if you don't ask for anything, you will get even less. For example, if the Arabs (and the UN) demand that Israel opens the border with Gaza, then Israel should demand that the free flow of Palestinians into Israel should be balanced by a free flow of Israelis into Gaza. Israelis should be permitted to buy land and build homes in Gaza. They should also be free to defend themselves "by any means necessary" (a phrase from the Geneva Convention). If Arabs want sovereignty over the temple mount, then Israel should demand sovereignty over Hebron and Nablus. If Arabs can play hardball in their negotiations, the least Israel could do is throw some hard demands back at them.

391 rumcrook  Sun, Feb 1, 2009 8:22:33pm

if noam chomsky had an explosive anuerism while at the same time having a massive heart attack,

I would throw a massive super bowl sized party.

with chips and green chili dip, lots of beer... and enchiladas

392 Charles Johnson  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 10:39:33am

re: #389 Lopakhin

Yeah, I think that's true of large parts of the Palestinian leadership, obviously Hamas and probably parts of Fatah/PLO too. But there is evidence that the Palestinian *people* themselves favour a two-state solution, e.g. this poll.

Of course they want a "two-state solution," because it's a stepping stone to the ultimate goal, which is the destruction of Israel, as spelled out in both the Fatah and Hamas charters, and in countless Palestinian TV shows and newspaper articles. Refusing to acknowledge this fact is simply denial of reality.


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