Bill O’Reilly and the ‘White Christian Male Power Structure’

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Did Bill O’Reilly really say, “They want to break down the white, Christian, male power structure?”

Well, yes. He did. So why did he play part of this video on tonight’s show, but stop before the statement in question?

O’Reilly railed against the New York Times, and implied that he was being unfairly smeared by someone who “planted” this information on the intarwebs.

But there’s a problem here, because he did say those words. As you can see for yourself.

So who’s telling the truth? The New York Times, Bill O’Reilly, or neither?

UPDATE at 2/2/09 6:03:19 pm:

Here’s the editorial O’Reilly was ranting about: Editorial - The Nativists Are Restless - NYTimes.com.

Does Bill O’Reilly really want to defend the “racialist” views of people like Pat Buchanan, Peter Brimelow and Marcus Epstein?

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1 NYCHardhat  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 6:00:17pm

We need new blood.

2 jaunte  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 6:00:48pm

How now, Culture Warrior?

3 Sharmuta  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 6:01:00pm

Is it a sign of the Apocalypse for me to side with the nyt? GAH!

4 Cato the Elder  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 6:01:30pm

I think he's getting senile.

5 Killgore Trout  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 6:01:47pm

Spineless McCain didn't bat en eye.

6 NYCHardhat  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 6:01:54pm

I cringe when I see the R next to McCain's name.

7 MandyManners  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 6:02:05pm

Oh, noez. I gotta' side with the NYT?

8 Syrah  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 6:02:24pm

Bill O'Reilly is such an embarrassment.

9 Killgore Trout  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 6:02:57pm

White, Christian, male power structure? What's not to like?
/

10 Sharmuta  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 6:03:23pm

O'Reilly is just another shameless self-promoter not above lying to defend himself.

11 DEZes  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 6:03:54pm

I need an Advile now!

12 Killgore Trout  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 6:04:21pm

Buchanan. O'Reily, and McCain are all boobs of a slightly different bent.

13 Randall Gross  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 6:04:28pm

Notice he said Pat Buchanan's right?

14 DEZes  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 6:04:30pm

Advile
/Pimf

15 Elcid  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 6:04:38pm

Both O’Reilly AND the NYT...SUCK!

16 ArmyWife  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 6:04:41pm

Apocalypse can't be far behind - I'm with the NYT. Does anyone have Lysol? Or Sulfuric acid?

17 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 6:04:43pm

Strange coincidence, I just happened to be at a relatives house tonight that has cable (I don't) and saw this very segment you're referencing.

They both suck. Spit on both of them.

19 Sharmuta  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 6:04:52pm

re: #12 Killgore Trout

Buchanan. O'Reily, and McCain are all boobs of a slightly different bent.

Don't forget hannity and coulter.

20 DEZes  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 6:04:56pm

re: #14 DEZes

Advile
/Pimf

Damn I did it again!
Advil.

21 Steve  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 6:04:59pm

I quit drinking but this just might make me take it up again.

22 CyanSnowHawk  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 6:05:15pm

re: #9 Killgore Trout

White, Christian, male power structure? What's not to like?
/

Actually, that sounds vaguely like a description of a phallic edifice that glows and pulsates like the USS Enterprise warp-core.

23 carefulnow  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 6:05:21pm

Are women included in this?

24 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 6:05:37pm

re: #7 MandyManners

Oh, noez. I gotta' side with the NYT?

No, Mandy. You just have to go after O'Reilly as well. His statement was foolish.

25 Sharmuta  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 6:06:03pm

re: #8 Syrah

Bill O'Reilly is such an embarrassment.

That's why I quit watching his show years ago, and then added hannity. Now it's the whole damn network.

26 MandyManners  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 6:06:04pm

re: #10 Sharmuta

O'Reilly is just another shameless self-promoter not above lying to defend himself.

It's all about the wallet.

27 Van Helsing  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 6:06:12pm

Torches - check
Pitchforks - check
Enraged masses -
Sigh, this is getting more difficult every time.

28 NYCHardhat  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 6:06:17pm

This thread needs this comic relief.

29 Syrah  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 6:06:17pm

re: #10 Sharmuta

O'Reilly is just another shameless self-promoter not above lying to defend himself.

Bill O'Reilly is all about Bill O'Reilly. His whole show is always just some variation of "Me Me Me Me . . . and that's how smart I am."

30 rwmofo  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 6:06:29pm

Listening to O'Reilly reminds me of my then three year-old advising what our meals should consist of (pancakes, doughnuts & chocolate cake).

31 [deleted]  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 6:06:36pm
32 winston06  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 6:06:38pm

I think he is being taken out of context there. The US is a majority WHITE, CHRISTIAN and English speaking nation and that's what he probably meant.

33 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 6:06:39pm

re: #3 Sharmuta

Is it a sign of the Apocalypse for me to side with the nyt? GAH!

Well, no swimsuit models were hitting on me today, so I think we're safe.

34 CyanSnowHawk  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 6:06:45pm

re: #11 DEZes

I need an Advile now!

Sounds like O'Reilly took one and is now more vile.

35 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 6:06:58pm

re: #27 Van Helsing

Torches - check
Pitchforks - check
Enraged masses -
Sigh, this is getting more difficult every time.

Double on the rape.
/

36 Elcid  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 6:07:12pm

re: #29 Syrah

Bill O'Reilly is all about Bill O'Reilly. His whole show is always just some variation of "Me Me Me Me . . . and that's how smart I am."

Kinda' like the Obama show.

37 Bloodnok  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 6:07:14pm

Now on sale at the Bill O'Reilly store, "White, Christian, Male Power Structure" bathmats.

/hey, there's a buck to be made

38 NYCHardhat  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 6:07:24pm

re: #21 Steve

I quit drinking but this just might make me take it up again.

Never, ever quit.

39 screaming_eagle  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 6:07:58pm

Well O'Reilly list himself as one of his Pinheads?

40 Sharmuta  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 6:08:07pm

How soon until he starts inviting certain "anti-jihadi" bloggers on his show to defend his comments?

41 rwmofo  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 6:08:13pm

O'Reilly + Pam Anderson = two three boobs.

42 jcm  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 6:08:22pm

I'll take the New Republican Party with a side of Nazi...

*NOT*
*spit*

43 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 6:08:27pm

re: #32 winston06

I think he is being taken out of context there. The US is a majority WHITE, CHRISTIAN and English speaking nation and that's what he probably meant.

Is Avanti tag-teaming us tonight? I've saved a lot of my rants from today. Should I just post them and keep winston06 busy for the rest of the evening so we can get on with things?

44 Wishing  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 6:08:41pm

What a dweeb, always trying to ingratiate himself. This time, though, over the edge. I mean what the hell is a *white male power structure*? He is in lala land.

45 Steve  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 6:08:42pm

re: #28 NYCHardhat

This thread needs this comic relief.


I was looking for my earplugs when it Carter quit speaking. Then it got funny. thanks.

46 DEZes  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 6:08:43pm

Bill O'Riley; Your smarter than I am.
McCain; No!

Wow, that was some stiff competition.

47 Dekar  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 6:08:48pm

I think he was saying that in reference to how the New York Times see it... meaning the NYT sees that the majority is white, Christian, male, and that this group has power; the NYT wants to get rid of that.

Who knows, just giving O the benefit of the doubt because I love his show.

48 ArmyWife  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 6:08:50pm

Going to tuck my still unmarried 10 year old in bed. BRB.

49 Ringo the Gringo  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 6:08:59pm

Bill O'Reilly is a bozo.

50 rwmofo  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 6:09:14pm

Oh great. I see that O'Reilly has a fan above.

51 jcm  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 6:09:23pm

re: #20 DEZes

Damn I did it again!
Advil.

Advil is for pain...
Advile is for contact with vile ideas to prevent infection...

52 Racer X  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 6:09:24pm

Watching O'Reilly constantly interrupt his guests is annoying enough. Listening to what comes out of his pie hole is too much to ask.

53 Killgore Trout  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 6:09:26pm

Instapundit linked to this earlier...
Republican is the New Punk
This has been the case for quite a long time but why isn't conservatism catching on with rebellious youth? Because of lingering racism, Christian supremacy, archaic social policies, homophobia, etc. When conservatives really return to their roots of liberty, individual freedoms, self sufficiency, etc. they have an eager young audience waiting to hear.

54 Steve  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 6:09:30pm

re: #38 NYCHardhat

Never, ever quit.

Sorry, but I did...

55 NYCHardhat  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 6:09:36pm

re: #45 Steve

I was looking for my earplugs when it Carter quit speaking. Then it got funny. thanks.

Carter is the funny part!

Reagan is just so badass.

56 Van Helsing  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 6:09:42pm

re: #35 Walter L. Newton

Double on the rape.
/

I specifically left that out (twice) to avoid being wacked by Mandy and her (hopefully) unsanded cluebat, sir.

I recommended no sanding, sometimes clue splinters will grow...

57 MandyManners  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 6:09:58pm

re: #24 Dark_Falcon

No, Mandy. You just have to go after O'Reilly as well. His statement was foolish.

Why did he say it?

58 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 6:10:00pm

re: #40 Sharmuta

How soon until he starts inviting certain "anti-jihadi" bloggers on his show to defend his comments?

OT - I sent Robert a copy of that email from Douglas Murry and asked for a comment. Nothing so far. It's been 24 hours. Interesting, in the past, he has been right back to me like he had email plugged right into his brain.

59 jorline  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 6:10:00pm

Second in four months time O'Reily's hit my shit list. I still say he's a smug, arrogant prick.

60 Killgore Trout  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 6:10:05pm

re: #19 Sharmuta

It's a very long list.

61 Occasional Reader  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 6:10:13pm

Um... did John McCain say "unemployment is low, and the economy is strong"? Or was i dreaming that part?

62 MandyManners  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 6:10:22pm

re: #29 Syrah

Bill O'Reilly is all about Bill O'Reilly. His whole show is always just some variation of "Me Me Me Me . . . and that's how smart I am."

Smacks of narcissism.

63 Nemesis6  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 6:10:36pm

Hm, could be worse. Think Glenn Beck worse. But yeah, O'Reilly is a dumbass.

64 NYCHardhat  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 6:10:44pm

re: #52 Racer X

Watching O'Reilly constantly interrupt his guests is annoying enough. Listening to what comes out of his pie hole is too much to ask.

THAT SUMS IT UP FOR ME.

1000 UPDDINGS

65 jaunte  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 6:11:34pm

re: #62 MandyManners

Smacks of narcissism.

"Talking Points agrees."

66 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 6:11:43pm

re: #59 jorline

Second in four months time O'Reily's hit my shit list. I still say he's a smug, arrogant prick.

Fair and bad-assed!

67 albusteve  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 6:11:46pm

these types of shows and their networks have turned politics in America into entertainment...there is no principle...underneath it all is the lust for profit...both right and left...what's the difference who you watch...the MSM is my dire enemy

68 BakaRanger  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 6:11:57pm

But he's looking out for us!

69 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 6:12:09pm

re: #67 albusteve

these types of shows and their networks have turned politics in America into entertainment...there is no principle...underneath it all is the lust for profit...both right and left...what's the difference who you watch...the MSM is my dire enemy

What was your first clue?

70 DEZes  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 6:12:19pm

re: #51 jcm

Advil is for pain...
Advile is for contact with vile ideas to prevent infection...


For some reason, the vile wanted to stick, Freudian slip on my part?

71 jorline  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 6:12:21pm

re: #59 jorline

Second in four months time O'Reily's hit my shit list. I still say he's a smug, arrogant prick.

PIMF second time

72 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 6:13:04pm

re: #71 jorline

PIMF second time

It appears that you spelt "prick" right both times. That's all that counts.

73 albusteve  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 6:13:26pm

re: #69 Walter L. Newton

What was your first clue?

it's not a shared secret...figure it out for yourself

74 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 6:13:31pm

re: #57 MandyManners

Why did he say it?

I'm sorry to say that I don't know. I'm not going to say much on this thread since I'm actually still a fan of the O'Reilly Factor. But that's just me, carry on.

75 Killgore Trout  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 6:13:31pm

re: #32 winston06

I think he is being taken out of context there. The US is a majority WHITE, CHRISTIAN and English speaking nation and that's what he probably meant.

You left out the male part. How should we protect this white, christian nation of ours?

76 zombie  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 6:13:41pm

This, my friends, is reason #127 why I don't watch TV.

I hate pundits.

77 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 6:13:44pm

re: #70 DEZes

For some reason, the vile wanted to stick, Freudian slip on my part?

No, Eric Fromm Frua-Frua.

78 HoosierHoops  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 6:13:45pm

re: #59 jorline

Second in four months time O'Reily's hit my shit list. I still say he's a smug, arrogant prick.

Good Evening Jorline...Hope today finds you well.. I last saw Bill in a Hotel room in Silly Cone Valley about 8 years ago..Did I miss something?

79 Killgore Trout  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 6:14:15pm

re: #68 BakaRanger

But he's looking out for us!

Only if you're white, Christian and male.

80 jcm  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 6:14:18pm

re: #70 DEZes

For some reason, the vile wanted to stick, Freudian slip on my part?

Maybe, it's a good one, I like it...

Patient: I listened to Pat Buchanan!
Doctor: Take two Advile and call me in the morning!

81 Occasional Reader  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 6:14:57pm

And I do worry that association with shitbirds like Buchanan will tarnish real, hard questions that have to be asked about massive immigration.

82 USBeast  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 6:15:12pm

re: #21 Steve

I quit drinking but this just might make me take it up again.

"I believe temperate temperance is best. Intemperate temperance is apt to be a might troublesome." Mark Twain

83 jaunte  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 6:15:30pm

re: #79 Killgore Trout

Only if you're white, Christian and male.

Just looking out for the volks.

84 Bloodnok  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 6:15:36pm

re: #80 jcm

Maybe, it's a good one, I like it...

Patient: I listened to Pat Buchanan!
Doctor: Take two Advile and call me in the morning! I can't cure that.

85 CyanSnowHawk  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 6:15:40pm

re: #53 Killgore Trout

Instapundit linked to this earlier...
Republican is the New Punk
This has been the case for quite a long time but why isn't conservatism catching on with rebellious youth? Because of lingering racism, Christian supremacy, archaic social policies, homophobia, etc. When conservatives really return to their roots of liberty, individual freedoms, self sufficiency, etc. they have an eager young audience waiting to hear.

The money quote "...they’re “Golden Girls” with a soul patch."

86 DEZes  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 6:15:52pm

re: #80 jcm

Maybe, it's a good one, I like it...

Patient: I listened to Pat Buchanan!
Doctor: Take two Advile and call me in the morning!


Beets the hell out of a sanded clue bat I think!

87 Sharmuta  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 6:16:32pm

re: #60 Killgore Trout

It's a very long list.

And partly why I keep saying Fox is a moby network- a parody of themselves.

This is exactly the sort of thing that leftists and moderates take away thinking the right stands for because Fox is supposedly a right-wing news network. Now we have people who won't take rational republicans seriously because of self-centered bloviators like Bill and Sean and others.

The right is truly screwed unless/until they start putting garbage like this in it's place.

88 stevieray  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 6:16:34pm

Bill O'Reilly makes the same mistake the ethnic nationalists make -- he buys the multiculti idea that race = culture.

He is correct in noticing that immigration has turned into a sledgehammer to attack the foundation of America, i.e. a society built on the ideals of the Enlightenment, but he is wrong to assume that non-whites cannot come to embrace Western Civ as deeply as anyone else -- its just that they haven't been allowed for the last three decades.

The principles of the Enlightenment are easy to defend, as they are the basis for individual rights, human dignity, and economic prosperity -- people simply have to be willing to withstand the accusations of "racist" for doing so.

Attack Marxism, attack socialism, attack multiculturalism, attack moral relativism... but do not embrace ethnic nationalism. That is not the way to a bright future for humanity.

89 jcm  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 6:16:57pm

re: #81 Occasional Reader

And I do worry that association with shitbirds like Buchanan will tarnish real, hard questions that have to be asked about massive immigration.

'zactly, any support of real immigration reform will get lumped in with a Puchanan's ideas, and the whole thing get a "racist" label slapped on it the the argument is over.

90 Killgore Trout  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 6:17:04pm

re: #81 Occasional Reader

That's the same problem as allowing racist or neo-nazi parties into the counter jihad movement. These thing attract racists and hurt us in the long range.

91 jorline  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 6:17:16pm

re: #66 Walter L. Newton

Fair and bad-assed!

Greater than thou...and becoming greater by the minute.

Next week on O'Riely...Canonization!

92 NYCHardhat  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 6:17:24pm

AND WHO COULD EVER FORGET THIS GEM?

93 carefulnow  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 6:17:25pm

re: #81 Occasional Reader

You're right. There needs to be an honest discussion about the costs of illegal immigration. California schools are terribly impacted. Healthcare costs. Jail.

Their paying sales tax do not cover the costs.

(Does this make me a racist?)
/

94 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 6:17:44pm

Is it too early to find a clip of tonight's show where O'rly says he didn't say what he said in the clip above?

95 Sharmuta  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 6:17:57pm

I didn't leave the right- the right left me.

96 jorline  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 6:17:59pm

re: #72 Walter L. Newton

It appears that you spelt "prick" right both times. That's all that counts.

lmao

97 Killgore Trout  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 6:18:49pm

re: #85 CyanSnowHawk

I really think kids would love to rebel against their stuffy old liberal teachers and parents but Republicans have yet to offer them an alternative.

98 jcm  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 6:19:08pm

re: #95 Sharmuta

I didn't leave the right- the right left me.

Core Values don't drift.
Pandering does.

99 NYCHardhat  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 6:19:11pm

re: #95 Sharmuta

I didn't leave the right- the right left me.

I found a new home.

100 Noam Sayin'  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 6:19:15pm

Does anyone here watch O'Reilly? I admit I used to, but tired of him after a relatively short while.

101 lawhawk  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 6:19:36pm
Does Bill O’Reilly really want to defend the “racialist” views of people like Pat Buchanan, Peter Brimelow and Marcus Epstein?

Apparently that's all the GOPers they know... how Buchanan gets face time is beyond me, but given the way that they don't exactly seek out fresh blood to interview on a regular basis, it's wholly expected. He must think that the GOP all thinks that way.

Might be something to take up with Michelle Malkin, especially since she's sat in on some of O'Reilly's shows.

102 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 6:19:53pm

re: #87 Sharmuta

And partly why I keep saying Fox is a moby network- a parody of themselves.

This is exactly the sort of thing that leftists and moderates take away thinking the right stands for because Fox is supposedly a right-wing news network. Now we have people who won't take rational republicans seriously because of self-centered bloviators like Bill and Sean and others.

The right is truly screwed unless/until they start putting garbage like this in it's place.

It won't happen. This is the same organization that taught America how to "American Idolize" the presidential race.

I really wonder if Murdock is not as problematic as Soros, in his own way.

Murdock is teaching us to fiddle while Soros is out there burning.

103 jorline  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 6:19:54pm

re: #78 HoosierHoops

Good Evening Jorline...Hope today finds you well.. I last saw Bill in a Hotel room in Silly Cone Valley about 8 years ago..Did I miss something?

Heads a wee git bigger now.

How are you, Hoopster?

104 Sharmuta  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 6:19:58pm

re: #98 jcm

Core Values don't drift.
Pandering does.

They're pandering to the wrong crowd and it only helps the leftists.

105 USBeast  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 6:20:00pm

re: #97 Killgore Trout

I really think kids would love to rebel against their stuffy old liberal teachers and parents but Republicans have yet to offer them an alternative.

It's the suits. Republicans need some cool clothes.

106 Bloodnok  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 6:20:30pm

re: #97 Killgore Trout

I really think kids would love to rebel against their stuffy old liberal teachers and parents but Republicans have yet to offer them an alternative.

Just wait until high schoolers and college students realize that 0bama was serious about that "mandatory volunteerism".

107 carefulnow  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 6:20:50pm

re: #92 NYCHardhat

OMG!

108 NYCHardhat  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 6:21:14pm

re: #107 carefulnow

OMG!

You never saw that!?

109 DEZes  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 6:21:20pm

re: #105 USBeast

It's the suits. Republicans need some cool clothes.


The Emperor has no clothes.

110 rwmofo  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 6:21:20pm

OT: I have Laura Ingraham on in the background, She's been hammering Daschle for the first hour and 20 minutes. Making great points about how Daschle used to block Republican appointments based on ideology and now he may be getting a pass even though he obviously cheated on taxes under the notion he wouldn't get caught. Good entertainment.

111 Sharmuta  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 6:21:40pm

Pandering to racists, sexists and the religiously bigoted.

What could possibly go wrong?

112 albusteve  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 6:21:53pm

re: #100 Noam Sayin'

Does anyone here watch O'Reilly? I admit I used to, but tired of him after a relatively short while.

tons of people...the same for Seinfeld and Lost and American Idol...it's all the same to me...I refuse

113 Van Helsing  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 6:22:08pm

re: #87 Sharmuta

And partly why I keep saying Fox is a moby network- a parody of themselves.

This is exactly the sort of thing that leftists and moderates take away thinking the right stands for because Fox is supposedly a right-wing news network. Now we have people who won't take rational republicans seriously because of self-centered bloviators like Bill and Sean and others.

The right is truly screwed unless/until they start putting garbage like this in it's place.

Sharmuta, you do realize that by criticizing Fox New on this forum you will cause moonbat heads to implode.

PETA will be pissed.

114 Killgore Trout  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 6:22:09pm

re: #105 USBeast

It's more than cosmetic. If someone in a 3 piece suit said and did cool things kidz would be wearing them. The stuffy liberal establishment is wearing jeans and t-shirts.

115 carefulnow  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 6:22:16pm

re: #108 NYCHardhat

I did not.

116 jorline  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 6:22:26pm

24's on...I can't walk and chew bubble gum at the same time.

bbiaw

117 [deleted]  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 6:22:37pm
118 rawmuse  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 6:22:39pm

Glad I don't have cable TV, if this is indicative of the poverty of intellect therein.

119 CyanSnowHawk  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 6:22:41pm

re: #97 Killgore Trout

I really think kids would love to rebel against their stuffy old liberal teachers and parents but Republicans have yet to offer them an alternative.

Conservatives find temper tantrums to be distasteful spectacles. The kids seem to understand those, and the liberals just love a good tantrum. I think we have an image issue. Sort of like the whole 'geek' image was keeping good talent away from science and engineering for so long.

120 Sharmuta  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 6:22:54pm

re: #113 Van Helsing

I've been critical of Fox news for a long time now. It's good to see I'm not alone.

121 jcm  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 6:22:58pm

re: #104 Sharmuta

They're pandering to the wrong crowd and it only helps the leftists.

Yep!
[deleted]
*take a deep breath and calm down*

And in the processes they sell everything, 232 years of it, down the shitter.

122 NYCHardhat  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 6:22:59pm

re: #115 carefulnow

I did not.

He reminds me of Ron Burgundy.

123 Randall Gross  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 6:23:03pm

The Republican power vacumn has sucked the Coughlinite cockroaches out from the cracks.

124 lawhawk  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 6:23:10pm

Oh, and this should surprise no one. Another Obama nominee has issues, Rep. Hilda Solis for Secretary of Labor; apparently she doesn't want to answer even non-controversial questions.

Totally believable. This is well on its way to being the most unethical administration in recent memory; they're breaking more laws and screwing with the moral compass faster and harder than any administration since Nixon... and we're just in week 2?

125 Killgore Trout  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 6:23:29pm

I can't believe I just unintentionally spelled kids as "kidz".
/I stink

126 CyanSnowHawk  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 6:23:48pm

re: #113 Van Helsing

Sharmuta, you do realize that by criticizing Fox New on this forum you will cause moonbat heads to implode.

PETA will be pissed.

Is PETA ever anything but pissed?

127 Dekar  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 6:23:52pm

re: #100 Noam Sayin'

Does anyone here watch O'Reilly? I admit I used to, but tired of him after a relatively short while.

I watch him almost every night :)

128 albusteve  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 6:24:04pm

re: #116 jorline

24's on...I can't walk and chew bubble gum at the same time.

bbiaw

give them a hearty 'fuck you' for me!

129 NYCHardhat  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 6:24:08pm

re: #127 Dekar

I watch him almost every night :)

drunk?

130 carefulnow  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 6:24:16pm

re: #122 NYCHardhat

That was just on TV here and I had never seen it either.

131 DEZes  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 6:24:32pm

re: #92 NYCHardhat

AND WHO COULD EVER FORGET THIS GEM?




Spoiled, arrogant asshat is all I can think to call him after seeing that clip.

132 Dekar  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 6:24:46pm

re: #127 Dekar

I watch him almost every night :)

except weekends, that is*

133 NYCHardhat  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 6:24:53pm

re: #130 carefulnow

That was just on TV here and I had never seen it either.

At least now you have been introduced.

134 ArmyWife  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 6:24:56pm

Ok, back. Are we on a new topic?

135 rwmofo  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 6:25:06pm

re: #100 Noam Sayin'

Does anyone here watch O'Reilly? I admit I used to, but tired of him after a relatively short while.

I tolerated him for a while because he periodically had good guests. The problem is he is exactly like Chris Matthews and won't let the guest speak enough - even when he agrees with him.

Plus he only splashes around in the kiddie pool. No profound observations,

136 Occasional Reader  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 6:25:18pm

re: #124 lawhawk

Oh, and this should surprise no one. Another Obama nominee has issues, Rep. Hilda Solis for Secretary of Labor; apparently she doesn't want to answer even non-controversial questions.

Totally believable. This is well on its way to being the most unethical administration in recent memory; they're breaking more laws and screwing with the moral compass faster and harder than any administration since Nixon... and we're just in week 2?

Taranto had a great idea today: Marion Barry for Drug Czar

137 CyanSnowHawk  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 6:25:32pm

re: #124 lawhawk

Oh, and this should surprise no one. Another Obama nominee has issues, Rep. Hilda Solis for Secretary of Labor; apparently she doesn't want to answer even non-controversial questions.

Totally believable. This is well on its way to being the most unethical administration in recent memory; they're breaking more laws and screwing with the moral compass faster and harder than any administration since Nixon... and we're just in week 2?

Quick, somebody throw a subpoena at her!

138 [deleted]  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 6:25:34pm
139 HoosierHoops  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 6:25:42pm

re: #103 jorline

Heads a wee git bigger now.

How are you, Hoopster?

After the blow -out Super Bowl party? When the phone rang at 7am i was yelling please gawd make it stop!
Is that coffee i smell..please let there be eggs of some sort...Did I do anything stupid? mmm.still got all my body parts..Never mind if i go out my eyes look like a Vampire caught in daylight..
hehehe really doing fine Jorline

140 jcm  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 6:25:48pm

re: #131 DEZes

Spoiled, arrogant asshat is all I can think to call him after seeing that clip.

Somebody mucked up the prima donna's lines...
HAHAHA!
Moron loses it when the teleprompter goes off script!

141 carefulnow  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 6:25:54pm

re: #133 NYCHardhat

Wow. Thanks.

142 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 6:25:58pm

re: #112 albusteve

tons of people...the same for Seinfeld and Lost and American Idol...it's all the same to me...I refuse

Whoa, whoa, whoa... what the hell is wrong with you and that fucking horse you rode in on? LOST is all the same to you as American Idol. What the hell are you smoking in that stupid mud hut you live in? Do you really think you can get away with a comment like that. I hope a scorpion slides up you butt tonight while you are sleeping and you fart in it's direction.

Only kidding Steve :)

143 CyanSnowHawk  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 6:26:02pm

re: #125 Killgore Trout

I can't believe I just unintentionally spelled kids as "kidz".
/I stink

May the LOL be with you.

144 jcm  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 6:26:02pm

re: #138 buzzsawmonkey

I wonder what O'Reilly's position on Vlaams Belang is?

Kneeling?

145 [deleted]  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 6:26:13pm
146 USBeast  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 6:26:21pm

re: #109 DEZes

The Emperor has no clothes.

The One nekkid? Spare us.

147 Tigger2005  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 6:26:37pm

After browsing through the threads tonight, I really need a cute baby animal post. How about it Charles?

148 carefulnow  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 6:26:45pm

re: #134 ArmyWife

That was quick. What do you do to tuck him in bed? Mine still wants to talk and get back rubs.

149 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 6:26:49pm

re: #118 rawmuse

Glad I don't have cable TV, if this is indicative of the poverty of intellect therein.

Ditto that. I can get pretty much all the TV shows and news that I want from the internet anyway.

Imagine my surprise when I discovered that the internet is not just for pr0n.
/

150 stevieray  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 6:26:55pm

re: #124 lawhawk

Heh.

I told my Obama-supporting friend that the new administration is gonna be "Foreign policy by Carter, domestic policy by Nixon".

He was not amused.

Time is bearing my prediction out.

151 albusteve  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 6:27:03pm

re: #138 buzzsawmonkey

I wonder what O'Reilly's position on Vlaams Belang is?

if his staff visits LGF he'll have them put something together and then break a big story...spit

152 zombie  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 6:27:27pm

re: #117 buzzsawmonkey

What did Pundit Motilal Nehru ever do to you?

Mind you, I just love Korla Pandit -- it's his sister Karla Pundit that I hate.

153 Sharmuta  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 6:27:32pm

re: #138 buzzsawmonkey

I wonder what O'Reilly's position on Vlaams Belang is?

I'm sure his buddy buchanan will help him understand euro-politics.

154 Wishing  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 6:28:06pm

re: #138 buzzsawmonkey

I wonder what O'Reilly's position on Vlaams Belang is?

Are they white, male and Christian (in name only)?
Well then, he is in *da structure* with em!

155 Dekar  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 6:28:06pm

re: #149 Slumbering Behemoth

Ditto that. I can get pretty much all the TV shows and news that I want from the internet anyway.

Imagine my surprise when I discovered that the internet is not just for pr0n.
/

NSFW... kind of

156 albusteve  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 6:28:16pm

re: #142 Walter L. Newton

Whoa, whoa, whoa... what the hell is wrong with you and that fucking horse you rode in on? LOST is all the same to you as American Idol. What the hell are you smoking in that stupid mud hut you live in? Do you really think you can get away with a comment like that. I hope a scorpion slides up you butt tonight while you are sleeping and you fart in it's direction.

Only kidding Steve :)

Lost fans are

157 ArmyWife  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 6:28:18pm

re: #124 lawhawk

Solis is a nightmare for US companies. She is pro, pro, pro labor and probably doesn't want to answer questions because that is what labor unions do best - avoid, lie, and never, ever admit fault. Lowest common denominator, baby.

158 MandyManners  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 6:28:19pm

re: #92 NYCHardhat

AND WHO COULD EVER FORGET THIS GEM?



What a nasty prima donna.

159 Van Helsing  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 6:28:23pm

re: #120 Sharmuta

I've been critical of Fox news for a long time now. It's good to see I'm not alone.

Part of the problem is that the left can put out all the crap (Abu Ghraib comes to mind) they want and the masses just soak it up.

I was going to go deeper than that, but I've just been nabbed for something else.

160 DEZes  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 6:28:27pm

re: #140 jcm

Somebody mucked up the prima donna's lines...
HAHAHA!
Moron loses it when the teleprompter goes off script!

I got a real hoot of him wanting to do it live when He was so flustered he couldn't do it in three takes.
Just which end does he crap from?
Rhetorical question of course.

161 Occasional Reader  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 6:28:38pm

re: #145 buzzsawmonkey

At least he is familiar with the subject matter.

Well... yeah, that's the, er, joke, you see.

[smacks buzzsaw with a haddock]

162 Bloodnok  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 6:28:39pm

re: #147 Tigger2005

After browsing through the threads tonight, I really need a cute baby animal post. How about it Charles?


I think they should have named him Geert.

163 Cato the Elder  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 6:28:41pm

Hmm. "Racialist" is to "racist" what "Islamist" is to "Islamic"?

In any case, O'Reilly really let the mask slip there. But then I've always thought he was a spluttering demagogue.

He could do with as stint of having his jaws wired shut.

164 Lee Coller  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 6:28:54pm

re: #110 rwmofo

OT: I have Laura Ingraham on in the background, She's been hammering Daschle for the first hour and 20 minutes. Making great points about how Daschle used to block Republican appointments based on ideology and now he may be getting a pass even though he obviously cheated on taxes under the notion he wouldn't get caught. Good entertainment.

Not as off topic as you may think. Laura Ingraham is another who regularly had Pat Buchanan as a guest.

165 rawmuse  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 6:29:13pm

re: #149 Slumbering Behemoth

I mostly use my HDTV to pick up my fave jazz station that transmits on one of the higher number channels. Send it thru my stereo, voila, high rez music, much better than the FM broadcast signal.

166 [deleted]  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 6:29:23pm
167 jwb7605  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 6:29:25pm

re: #138 buzzsawmonkey

I wonder what O'Reilly's position on Vlaams Belang is?

Terrific question. I wonder how we could get him to mention it.

168 jcm  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 6:29:36pm

Later Lizards gotta run...

169 freetoken  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 6:29:44pm

re: #125 Killgore Trout

I can't believe I just unintentionally spelled kids as "kidz".
/I stink

U Can Haz Spel Chekr

170 Sharmuta  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 6:30:01pm

These moron pundits are killing us. I think they're rubes, and it's no wonder to me now while people who consider themselves intellectuals are embarrassed to be considered part of such a crowd. I'm embarrassed myself.

I can't vote for commie liberals, and I can't vote for racialist boobs. Where do I go from here?

171 NY Nana  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 6:30:14pm

re: #87 Sharmuta

Since Al-Murdoch is in the pockets of the sodding Sauds re Fox news, etc., it is not the real Foxnews we remember, sadly.

172 jaunte  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 6:30:27pm

Too much on-camera time must be dangerous to your sense of self-proportion.

173 DEZes  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 6:30:39pm

re: #146 USBeast

The One nekkid? Spare us.

You just made me spew good beer on a good monitor.
Going for the Windex. ;}

174 yochanan  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 6:30:55pm

re: #136 Occasional Reader

this administration is starting to remind me of the GRANT ADMINISTRATION with out being a national military figure.

175 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 6:30:57pm

re: #156 albusteve

Lost fans are

You know Steve, I could be down in you neck of the woods in about 8 hours and two 6 packs of Mickeys.
/

176 Occasional Reader  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 6:30:59pm

re: #166 buzzsawmonkey

Korla Pandit--now that's a new one on me.

Isn't that a violent, martial-arts video game?

177 Sharmuta  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 6:31:07pm

re: #172 jaunte

Too much on-camera time must be dangerous to your sense of self-proportion.

LOL!

178 Lee Coller  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 6:31:20pm

re: #170 Sharmuta

These moron pundits are killing us. I think they're rubes, and it's no wonder to me now while people who consider themselves intellectuals are embarrassed to be considered part of such a crowd. I'm embarrassed myself.

I can't vote for commie liberals, and I can't vote for racialist boobs. Where do I go from here?

I think I'll start with a letter to Michael Steele about how we need to separate from the Buchanites and their ilk. It will be interesting to see his response, even more interesting to see if he even does anything about it.

179 Wishing  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 6:31:34pm

re: #164 Lee Coller

Not as off topic as you may think. Laura Ingraham is another who regularly had Pat Buchanan as a guest.

I don't like her AT ALL.

180 ArmyWife  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 6:31:48pm

re: #148 carefulnow

She had already read her mandatory 30 minutes (more is fine, but never less), and she told me about some girl at school who *gasp* had greasy hair. She made sure Critter (the cat) was comfy, then I tucked her comforter around her, gave her a kiss and said good night!

181 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 6:31:51pm

re: #170 Sharmuta

These moron pundits are killing us. I think they're rubes, and it's no wonder to me now while people who consider themselves intellectuals are embarrassed to be considered part of such a crowd. I'm embarrassed myself.

I can't vote for commie liberals, and I can't vote for racialist boobs. Where do I go from here?

Shangra-La

182 albusteve  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 6:32:10pm

re: #175 Walter L. Newton

You know Steve, I could be down in you neck of the woods in about 8 hours and two 6 packs of Mickeys.
/

better bring four...it could be a long night

183 Sharmuta  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 6:32:40pm

re: #178 Lee Coller

A letter campaign to the new RNC head might be a good idea. I think I'll join you and add some information on the creationists as well.

184 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 6:33:03pm

re: #155 Dekar

That one never fails to make me laugh. I do have a minor quibble, though: it's spelled "Behemoth", not "Trekkie".
/

185 carefulnow  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 6:33:16pm

re: #180 ArmyWife

Sweet. My guy will read until 2:00 am. Which is a problem because he's got to be up at 7:00.

186 zombie  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 6:33:25pm

re: #166 buzzsawmonkey

Korla Pandit--now that's a new one on me.

You are obviously not from the West Coast. He's the patron saint of California!

187 [deleted]  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 6:33:26pm
188 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 6:33:28pm

re: #180 ArmyWife

She had already read her mandatory 30 minutes (more is fine, but never less), and she told me about some girl at school who *gasp* had greasy hair. She made sure Critter (the cat) was comfy, then I tucked her comforter around her, gave her a kiss and said good night!

For a second I thought you were talking about you hubby. You see, you went away, and then came back and started talking about tucking something in, and I just thought...

189 ArmyWife  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 6:33:29pm

re: #183 Sharmuta

No response to my email, yet. I'll keep you posted.

190 Cato the Elder  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 6:33:33pm

re: #95 Sharmuta

I didn't leave the right- the right left me.

Amen. That's what I said when I started getting flak from family and friends for abandoning much of "liberal-progressive" dogma. When I started saying that some of what the classical conservatives wrote was right, I was labeled "right-wing". I didn't accept that label then, and I don't now. I am a small-L liberal admixed with the best of conservatism.

The far left and the far right - les extrêmes ses touchent!

191 FrogMarch  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 6:33:46pm
"White Christian Male Power Structure"

O'Reilly - please don't go down the Pat Buchanan road.

192 Sharmuta  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 6:34:04pm

re: #189 ArmyWife

Thanks- please do!

193 ArmyWife  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 6:34:21pm

re: #185 carefulnow

She has to be up at 6, so lights out is monitored! Plus her Daddy is in the Army, we do NOT want him bellowing LIGHTS OUT down the hallway for non-conformists.

194 Unakite  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 6:34:29pm

Way OT-

Just got back from kid's baseball meeting and probably been said earlier. But congrats to all the Steeler fans out there (wanted the Redskins myself, but great game).

195 albusteve  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 6:34:49pm

re: #183 Sharmuta

A letter campaign to the new RNC head might be a good idea. I think I'll join you and add some information on the creationists as well.

good idea...despite all the hyperbole all is not lost yet...the GOP has to get off it's big fat ass and get moving...push back every step, no mercy

196 karmic_inquisitor  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 6:34:57pm

OT : Chavez and Obama to have face to face meeting in Trinidad.

[Link: guardian.co.tt...]

197 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 6:35:23pm

re: #182 albusteve

better bring four...it could be a long night

No the six packs are for the ride.

You know, when I was drinking, one of the funniest things I think I ever did was drive the Pikes Peak highway with a six pack of Mickeys on the floor boards in front of me.

It put a whole new perspective on that ride.

198 ArmyWife  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 6:35:29pm

re: #188 Walter L. Newton

Later, later. He's fed me a glass of wine and 2 pom martinis. As noted earlier, I am pretty convinced ulterior motives are at play here.

199 Sharmuta  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 6:35:47pm

re: #195 albusteve

good idea...despite all the hyperbole all is not lost yet...the GOP has to get off it's big fat ass and get moving...push back every step, no mercy

These pundits and fringe "conservatives" are an albatross around the neck of the party.

200 Killgore Trout  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 6:36:19pm

re: #187 buzzsawmonkey

That's a distinct possibility.

201 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 6:36:22pm

re: #198 ArmyWife

Later, later. He's fed me a glass of wine and 2 pom martinis. As noted earlier, I am pretty convinced ulterior motives are at play here.

Er, or poison?

202 Wishing  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 6:36:24pm

re: #196 karmic_inquisitor

OT : Chavez and Obama to have face to face meeting in Trinidad.

[Link: guardian.co.tt...]

To shoot some hoops?

203 ArmyWife  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 6:36:39pm

re: #201 Walter L. Newton

That is a possibility, too.

204 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 6:36:46pm

re: #201 Walter L. Newton

Er, or poison?

I'm sorry, that just slid out of my fingertips.

205 DEZes  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 6:36:53pm

re: #196 karmic_inquisitor

OT : Chavez and Obama to have face to face meeting in Trinidad.

[Link: guardian.co.tt...]


If they invite O'Riley can we call it an axis of evil?

206 carefulnow  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 6:37:10pm

re: #193 ArmyWife

LOL! I want him to understand on his own that time isn't something his parents made up to control him.

207 NYCHardhat  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 6:37:52pm
208 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 6:38:19pm

re: #196 karmic_inquisitor

OT : Chavez and Obama to have face to face meeting in Trinidad.

[Link: guardian.co.tt...]

"Venezuela President Hugo Chavez and his US counterpart Barack Obama appear sure to have a face-to-face meeting in Port-of-Spain during the three-day Summit of the Americas in April. And top of the agenda during the showdown will be burning energy issues that have arisen between the two countries. This was confirmed by Summit Secretariat communications co-ordinator, Felipe Noguera, on Friday."

There is no "burning" energy issues. He a dictator, let's not have anything to do with his f;king oil.

209 albusteve  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 6:38:23pm

re: #197 Walter L. Newton

No the six packs are for the ride.

You know, when I was drinking, one of the funniest things I think I ever did was drive the Pikes Peak highway with a six pack of Mickeys on the floor boards in front of me.

It put a whole new perspective on that ride.

done it a few times...I lived up there 74-80...liked it alot...hiked up that bad ass too...Cripple Creek was hangout for awhile there...now about the booze...

210 Occasional Reader  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 6:38:36pm

Now, going back a bit;

My interpretation when Buchanan uttered the "White, Christian, Male Power Structure" line is that he's attributing that view to the New York Times, not endorsing it. I.e., he's saying "the liberal NYT editors think this thing exists, and that they'll tear it down by supporting lots of immigration"; NOT that he is, himself, saying "I support the WCM Power Structure".

However, his line "Pat Buchanan was right" confuses things.

211 NYCHardhat  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 6:38:53pm

North Korea, which typically carries out missile tests in times of political friction, last week said it was scrapping all agreements with South Korea in a move analysts said was aimed at pressuring Seoul and grabbing the attention of new U.S. President Barack Obama.

212 carefulnow  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 6:39:03pm

re: #207 NYCHardhat

Is this the test that Biden foresaw?

213 nyc redneck  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 6:39:26pm

o'reilly is arrogant. kind of in the same way as O.
it's all abt. them.

214 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 6:39:42pm

re: #211 NYCHardhat

North Korea, which typically carries out missile tests in times of political friction, last week said it was scrapping all agreements with South Korea in a move analysts said was aimed at pressuring Seoul and grabbing the attention of new U.S. President Barack Obama.

Grabbing his attention? Obama probably suggested it.

215 USBeast  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 6:39:53pm

re: #173 DEZes

You just made me spew good beer on a good monitor.
Going for the Windex. ;}

I...made...you...waste...beer? God forgive me. I shall do penance. I will drink nothing but water...at some time...in the future. Maybe.

216 NYCHardhat  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 6:40:05pm

re: #212 carefulnow

Is this the test that Biden foresaw?

Joe Biden is Punxsutawney Phil

217 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 6:40:12pm

re: #212 carefulnow

Is this the test that Biden foresaw?

First of many...

218 jwb7605  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 6:40:13pm

re: #212 carefulnow

Is this the test that Biden foresaw?

Sounds more like a pop quiz to me.

219 [deleted]  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 6:40:18pm
220 Cato the Elder  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 6:40:19pm

re: #210 Occasional Reader

Now, going back a bit;

My interpretation when Buchanan uttered the "White, Christian, Male Power Structure" line is that he's attributing that view to the New York Times, not endorsing it. I.e., he's saying "the liberal NYT editors think this thing exists, and that they'll tear it down by supporting lots of immigration"; NOT that he is, himself, saying "I support the WCM Power Structure".

However, his line "Pat Buchanan was right" confuses things.

Pretty far-fetched. I think he meant exactly what he said.

221 bellamags  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 6:40:27pm
222 carefulnow  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 6:40:33pm

re: #210 Occasional Reader

I think that's a stretch. Both he and McCain agreed that there was such a thing and that they were both a part of it.

223 NYCHardhat  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 6:40:46pm

re: #221 bellamags

great

hi hun!

224 albusteve  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 6:40:50pm

re: #199 Sharmuta

These pundits and fringe "conservatives" are an albatross around the neck of the party.

ignore them at the least, otherwise I dont know...politics is all about ratings now...chilling...
I hate the MSN, my dire enemy...dire enemy

225 Sharmuta  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 6:41:13pm

re: #190 Cato the Elder

I was glad to go back and see you read my thoughts on sexism a week ago or so. Here's another example in o'reilly's own words: the white, Christian, male power structure. That really pisses me off as someone whose made it a point to learn of the incredible contributions women have played in the forming and shaping of this nation, and it doesn't help that we propagate this nonsense.

226 bellamags  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 6:41:19pm

re: #223 NYCHardhat

hi hun!

hi - how are you?

227 Lee Coller  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 6:41:19pm

re: #211 NYCHardhat

North Korea, which typically carries out missile tests in times of political friction, last week said it was scrapping all agreements with South Korea in a move analysts said was aimed at pressuring Seoul and grabbing the attention of new U.S. President Barack Obama.

The Iranians were afraid of Reagan, that's why they released the hostages the minute he was inaugurated. I have a feeling the North Koreans are not afraid of Obama. That's a problem.

228 DEZes  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 6:41:30pm

re: #215 USBeast

I...made...you...waste...beer? God forgive me. I shall do penance. I will drink nothing but water...at some time...in the future. Maybe.


Water will rust your pipes, drink seven stout ales as penance.
;)

229 Killgore Trout  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 6:41:31pm

re: #210 Occasional Reader

I think the "Buchanan is right" line kills that interpretation.

230 Jim in Virginia  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 6:41:33pm

re: #198 ArmyWife

Later, later. He's fed me a glass of wine and 2 pom martinis. As noted earlier, I am pretty convinced ulterior motives are at play here.


You've got a good man there, tell him thanks for his service to the country.

231 carefulnow  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 6:41:35pm

re: #216 NYCHardhat

That's funny!

232 Occasional Reader  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 6:41:46pm

re: #196 karmic_inquisitor

OT : Chavez and Obama to have face to face meeting in Trinidad.

[Link: guardian.co.tt...]

[forehead slap]

233 karmic_inquisitor  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 6:41:55pm

Looks like the Senate has decided the Stimulus package is too small.

[Link: online.wsj.com...]

This has the potential to drive up interest rates and kill any housing recovery. We will be back at it again in 12 months. Then ... hyperinflation.

Not good

234 NYCHardhat  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 6:42:07pm

re: #226 bellamags

hi - how are you?

I'm good. A little tired. And you?

235 ArmyWife  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 6:42:10pm

re: #221 bellamags

Why doesn't anyone on the left see this? Republican left, world's dingbats go nuts. It's like a flippin' free for all out there!

236 albusteve  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 6:42:17pm

re: #219 traderjoe9

Oh, come on.

O'Reily tends to lose his temper on occasion and even says some stupid things at times, but for the most part he presents a great show with solid and logical arguments.

spit...spit...

237 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 6:42:22pm

re: #219 traderjoe9

Oh, come on.

O'Reily tends to lose his temper on occasion and even says some stupid things at times, but for the most part he presents a great show with solid and logical arguments.

Did you read the point of the thread. O'r claims he never said it. Ok, got that?

238 OldLineTexan  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 6:42:32pm

re: #210 Occasional Reader

Now, going back a bit;

My interpretation when Buchanan uttered the "White, Christian, Male Power Structure" line is that he's attributing that view to the New York Times, not endorsing it. I.e., he's saying "the liberal NYT editors think this thing exists, and that they'll tear it down by supporting lots of immigration"; NOT that he is, himself, saying "I support the WCM Power Structure".

However, his line "Pat Buchanan was right" confuses things.

THANK YOU.

The left has been bitching about the White Male Christian Power Structure for decades ... what, does O'Reilly have to hold up his fingers and make scare quotes?

But agreeing with Pat ... that doesn't help. Even the broken clock theory won't help there.

239 carefulnow  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 6:42:37pm

re: #217 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

Nature of the beast, and all that.

240 FrogMarch  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 6:42:39pm

Nobody's Perfect - tax cheaters unite and take over.

241 OldLineTexan  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 6:42:50pm

re: #216 NYCHardhat

Joe Biden is Punxsutawney Phil

Ahem.

Phil has hair.

242 ArmyWife  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 6:42:57pm

re: #230 Jim in Virginia

I do have a good man. I am very, very lucky.

/plus he wears a uniform. What could be better?

243 bellamags  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 6:43:09pm

re: #234 NYCHardhat


same. had the day off b/c I worked yesterday. but feeling good.

244 Lee Coller  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 6:43:21pm

re: #238 OldLineTexan

THANK YOU.

The left has been bitching about the White Male Christian Power Structure for decades ... what, does O'Reilly have to hold up his fingers and make scare quotes?

But agreeing with Pat ... that doesn't help. Even the broken clock theory won't help there.

Even if Pat said 1+1=2 I still wouldn't say I agreed with him.

245 Jim in Virginia  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 6:43:36pm

re: #185 carefulnow

Sweet. My guy will read until 2:00 am. Which is a problem because he's got to be up at 7:00.


Both my daughters are like that. We've always had time to go to the library.

246 Sharmuta  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 6:43:40pm

Last year I read an incredible book on women in the Revolution. There were a couple of ladies whose stories would make for incredible screenplays- I think they'd be successful movies. That is- if hollywood even thought a pro-American movie was something they wanted to do.

247 Occasional Reader  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 6:44:08pm

re: #222 carefulnow

I think that's a stretch. Both he and McCain agreed that there was such a thing and that they were both a part of it.

I think they were agreeing they were part of the thing the hypothetical NYT editors claim exists.

Seriously, folks... I mean, nobody gets on a network t.v. broadcast in 2009 and says, "Long live the White Christian Male Power Sructure!", non-ironically. Please.

248 OldLineTexan  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 6:44:11pm

re: #230 Jim in Virginia

You've got a good man there, tell him thanks for his service to the country.

She doesn't appear to think he aims to service the country right now, exactly.

/did I type that?

249 ArmyWife  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 6:44:12pm

re: #240 FrogMarch

Nobody's perfect? I'll think about writing that on my tax forms that tell me I owe $8,000. Wonder if it will work for me.

250 USBeast  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 6:44:12pm

re: #216 NYCHardhat

Joe Biden is Punxsutawney Phil

How dare you defame the noble Groundhog.

251 bellamags  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 6:44:24pm

re: #235 ArmyWife

Why doesn't anyone on the left see this? Republican left, world's dingbats go nuts. It's like a flippin' free for all out there!

blind - same psychology as a parent overlooking terrible behavior from their children.

252 Killgore Trout  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 6:44:29pm

"There's a crater in my tunnel"
Yahoo pic

Palestinians look at a smuggling tunnel destroyed after an Israeli air strike near the Egypt-Gaza border in the southern Gaza Strip, February 2, 2009.

253 Occasional Reader  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 6:44:52pm

re: #229 Killgore Trout

I think the "Buchanan is right" line kills that interpretation.

I'd like to know exactly what Buchanan line he's referring to.

254 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 6:44:56pm

re: #216 NYCHardhat

Joe Biden is Punxsutawney Phil

These next four year are gonna be Groundhog Day. Every Day: Hope, Change, and something else goes wrong. [Dark_Falcon beats his head against the wall.]

255 big steve  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 6:44:57pm

re: #246 Sharmuta

Last year I read an incredible book on women in the Revolution. There were a couple of ladies whose stories would make for incredible screenplays- I think they'd be successful movies. That is- if hollywood even thought a pro-American movie was something they wanted to do.

truly interested...who were some of them?

256 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 6:45:02pm

re: #246 Sharmuta

Last year I read an incredible book on women in the Revolution. There were a couple of ladies whose stories would make for incredible screenplays- I think they'd be successful movies. That is- if hollywood even thought a pro-American movie was something they wanted to do.

How about staged adaptations? That's my specialty, as some may know. What's the name of the woman? I am always looking for new script ideas.

257 screaming_eagle  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 6:45:06pm

re: #227 Lee Coller

The Iranians were afraid of Reagan, that's why they released the hostages the minute he was inaugurated. I have a feeling the North Koreans are not afraid of Obama. That's a problem.

Ain't it said that no foriegn power is afraid Obama but half the USA if terrified of him?

258 rwmofo  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 6:45:09pm

re: #216 NYCHardhat

Joe Biden is Punxsutawney Phil

I think that Biden is going to provide some comic relief going forward. Bring on the unscripted statements.

259 carefulnow  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 6:45:32pm

re: #247 Occasional Reader

Welll, it would have helped if he had gestured quotation marks or made a face or something. Plus, what do you make of his denying that he had even said it?

260 Jim in Virginia  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 6:45:32pm

re: #207 NYCHardhat

International Crisis. Paying attention Obama?


Don't distract Bambi, he's got an economic meltdown to mismanage.

261 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 6:45:37pm

re: #240 FrogMarch

Nobody's Perfect - tax cheaters unite and take over.

What happens if I decide to "not be perfect" with my income a fraction of the tax debt Daschle scammed on?

Oh yeah, that's right I get hounded to death by the IRS until I pay up with compounding daily interest, or I get to make big rocks into smaller ones.

262 Cato the Elder  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 6:45:47pm

re: #225 Sharmuta

I was glad to go back and see you read my thoughts on sexism a week ago or so. Here's another example in o'reilly's own words: the white, Christian, male power structure. That really pisses me off as someone whose made it a point to learn of the incredible contributions women have played in the forming and shaping of this nation, and it doesn't help that we propagate this nonsense.

The fetish around loudmouths like O'Reilly, Coulter, Limbaugh and Ingraham doesn't do the conservative thinkers in this country any favors. We constantly have to apologize for their outbursts. And at their worst they give dKos a run for the money.

263 rwmofo  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 6:45:58pm

re: #252 Killgore Trout

"There's a crater in my tunnel"
Yahoo pic

Crater swarm.

264 Wishing  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 6:46:03pm

re: #252 Killgore Trout

"There's a crater in my tunnel"
Yahoo pic

LOL crater swarm

265 OldLineTexan  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 6:46:09pm

re: #246 Sharmuta

Last year I read an incredible book on women in the Revolution. There were a couple of ladies whose stories would make for incredible screenplays- I think they'd be successful movies. That is- if hollywood even thought a pro-American movie was something they wanted to do.

Do you recall the title? I would like to have that for the girls. My eleven year old is a voracious reader.

266 albusteve  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 6:46:25pm

re: #246 Sharmuta

Last year I read an incredible book on women in the Revolution. There were a couple of ladies whose stories would make for incredible screenplays- I think they'd be successful movies. That is- if hollywood even thought a pro-American movie was something they wanted to do.

women have been an afterthought in our culture...credited only by default or duress...the Spartans would be aghast

267 big steve  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 6:46:36pm

re: #258 rwmofo

I think that Biden is going to provide some comic relief going forward. Bring on the unscripted statements.

did it get mentioned that Biden screwed up the oath of office to Hillary today...this after he made fun of Roberts for doing it with The One...and the msm even mentioned that Joe had que cards and still messed it up.

268 Killgore Trout  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 6:47:18pm

Hamas propaganda videos are getting pretty strange...
cat defending gaza

It looks real. Am I stupid?

269 USBeast  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 6:47:21pm

re: #228 DEZes

Water will rust your pipes, drink seven stout ales as penance.
;)

If that's "penance" I might consider going back to church.

270 Jim in Virginia  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 6:47:26pm

re: #212 carefulnow

Is this the test that Biden foresaw?


Pop quiz. The test is later.
(Cribbed from a poster here this morning.)

271 carefulnow  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 6:47:30pm

re: #245 Jim in Virginia

I have to go to the library. I can't afford to buy all the books he reads. Still, he has a large bookcase full of his favorites.

Won't read non-fiction for pleasure, though. I think he might still be too young.

272 Sharmuta  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 6:47:38pm

re: #255 big steve

truly interested...who were some of them?

[Link: www.amazon.com...]

Dicey Langston sticks out in my mind as a potential film, as well as Deborah Samson.

273 DEZes  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 6:48:01pm

re: #252 Killgore Trout

"There's a crater in my tunnel"
Yahoo pic

They just never seem to be grateful for the help the juice give them.
Now its a wide mouth!
;)

274 Occasional Reader  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 6:48:06pm

re: #259 carefulnow

Welll, it would have helped if he had gestured quotation marks or made a face or something. Plus, what do you make of his denying that he had even said it?

On the first point: I certainly don't do air quote or pull a face every single time I make an ironic statement. Do you?

On the second: A couple of thoughts - 1) I didn't see the show, so can't say from firsthand experience; 2) it could just mean he's a mendacious dork.

275 Wishing  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 6:48:11pm

re: #263 rwmofo

Crater swarm.

re: #264 Wishing

LOL crater swarm

If I hadn't bothered to type LOL...

276 ArmyWife  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 6:48:45pm

re: #265 OldLineTexan

I'd like to know, too. My 10 year old is a history freak - and very interested in politics. She debated the "dems" in her 5th grade class, quite well according to her teacher.

My 17 year old is into Vampire books, but I think some of these things would be good for her, too - she is so bright and beautiful, she is capable of much and I want her to know just what doors she can open.

277 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 6:48:56pm

OT -

Do French cut green beans have to be cut in France?

278 ArmyWife  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 6:49:15pm

re: #272 Sharmuta

Thank you.

279 HoosierHoops  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 6:49:16pm

re: #219 traderjoe9

Oh, come on.

O'Reily tends to lose his temper on occasion and even says some stupid things at times, but for the most part he presents a great show with solid and logical arguments.

You're right..Other than being an arrogant, over the top, polarizing, TV cartoon..He is pretty cool..Brings a lot to the table.. he is all about issues in an intelligent conversation discussing them on prime time cable..where pinhead meets pinwheel...I'd be happy with a cage match between him and Alan Colmes..Pay-per-view...
/I'd pay for it only if Blago gets to jump in swinging a metal chair..
//

280 albusteve  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 6:49:26pm

re: #268 Killgore Trout

Hamas propaganda videos are getting pretty strange...
cat defending gaza


[Video]

It looks real. Am I stupid?

feline Zion spy...no other explaination

281 OldLineTexan  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 6:49:38pm

re: #268 Killgore Trout

Hamas propaganda videos are getting pretty strange...
cat defending gaza



It looks real. Am I stupid?

Somebody must've sent them the "Fievel" movies with all the Jewish mice.

282 stevieray  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 6:49:46pm

The thing that is frustrating about Buchanan, and what probably lured in O'Reilly, is that his analysis of America's problems are usually on target... its his solutions to those problems that go off the rails.

If you read any of his books, or even many of his columns, he sees the looming issues with pretty good clarity, but he stumbles in assigning blame, and falls on his face when detailing his solutions.

283 Gitarzan  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 6:50:07pm

re: #219 traderjoe9

Oh, come on.

O'Reily tends to lose his temper on occasion and even says some is stupid things at times, but for the most part he presents a great show with solid and logical arguments.

FTFY...I don't trust O'Reilly any farther than I could throw him.

;-P

284 MandyManners  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 6:50:15pm

re: #246 Sharmuta

Last year I read an incredible book on women in the Revolution. There were a couple of ladies whose stories would make for incredible screenplays- I think they'd be successful movies. That is- if hollywood even thought a pro-American movie was something they wanted to do.

Not enough cleavage back then.

285 mich-again  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 6:50:19pm

re: #252 Killgore Trout

Palestinians look at a smuggling tunnel destroyed after an Israeli air strike near the Egypt-Gaza border

Correction. Not destroyed. Just temporarily shut down for repairs.

286 Occasional Reader  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 6:50:29pm

re: #277 Walter L. Newton

OT -

Do French cut green beans have to be cut in France?

No, just cut by French people.

287 Sharmuta  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 6:50:32pm

re: #272 Sharmuta

[Link: www.amazon.com...]

Dicey Langston sticks out in my mind as a potential film, as well as Deborah Samson.

These are not just women who wrote in support of the revolution, but actually took up arms to fight along side men. Deborah Sampson disguised herself as a man to join the army, and it wasn't until she was wounded after a long service that she was discovered. Incredible story.

288 [deleted]  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 6:50:32pm
289 jwb7605  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 6:50:34pm

re: #282 stevieray

The thing that is frustrating about Buchanan, and what probably lured in O'Reilly, is that his analysis of America's problems are usually on target... its his solutions to those problems that go off the rails.

If you read any of his books, or even many of his columns, he sees the looming issues with pretty good clarity, but he stumbles in assigning blame, and falls on his face when detailing his solutions.

upding. Nice observation.

290 Gort  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 6:51:16pm

re: #281 OldLineTexan

Somebody must've sent them the "Fievel" movies with all the Jewish mice.

/Or O'Reilly sent them "Falafel" movies with all the... Nevermind.

291 FrogMarch  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 6:51:27pm

re: #249 ArmyWife

re: #261 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

What happens if I decide to "not be perfect" with my income a fraction of the tax debt Daschle scammed on?

Oh yeah, that's right I get hounded to death by the IRS until I pay up with compounding daily interest, or I get to make big rocks into smaller ones.


and we won't even get free limo service.

292 Charles Johnson  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 6:51:37pm

re: #259 carefulnow

Welll, it would have helped if he had gestured quotation marks or made a face or something. Plus, what do you make of his denying that he had even said it?

He didn't actually deny it. He danced around and blamed the Times and played the victim, and only screened part of the video, leaving out the statement that the Times quoted.

I'm no fan of the New York Times, but this was the same kind of avoidance/diversion game the left always plays when they're caught in something ugly.

293 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 6:51:38pm

re: #274 Occasional Reader

On the first point: I certainly don't do air quote or pull a face every single time I make an ironic statement. Do you?

On the second: A couple of thoughts - 1) I didn't see the show, so can't say from firsthand experience; 2) it could just mean he's a mendacious dork.

Er, right, but he is a veteran of a visual media. I would have hoped for some indication that he was making a ironic statement. To slide right through it as if it was "fact" certainly doesn't allow him any wriggle room to imply anything other than the way it came out.

294 [deleted]  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 6:51:42pm
295 USBeast  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 6:51:51pm

re: #277 Walter L. Newton

OT -

Do French cut green beans have to be cut in France?

Yes, but French Fries can only be fried in the U. S.

296 Sharmuta  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 6:51:58pm

re: #278 ArmyWife

Thank you.

For the link? You're welcome.

297 DEZes  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 6:52:19pm

re: #277 Walter L. Newton

OT -

Do French cut green beans have to be cut in France?

French cut simply means they will cause a severe case of the runs.

298 LGoPs  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 6:52:34pm

re: #277 Walter L. Newton

OT -

Do French cut green beans have to be cut in France?

OTOH, do Brussells Sprouts make you Phlegmish...

299 OldLineTexan  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 6:52:54pm

re: #272 Sharmuta

[Link: www.amazon.com...]

Dicey Langston sticks out in my mind as a potential film, as well as Deborah Samson.

Deborah Samson is one I have actually read about.

300 screaming_eagle  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 6:53:01pm

re: #277 Walter L. Newton

OT -

Do French cut green beans have to be cut in France?


No, you just have to cut them behind your back.

301 NYCHardhat  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 6:53:07pm

re: #287 Sharmuta

These are not just women who wrote in support of the revolution, but actually took up arms to fight along side men. Deborah Sampson disguised herself as a man to join the army, and it wasn't until she was wounded after a long service that she was discovered. Incredible story.

;)

302 [deleted]  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 6:53:13pm
303 carefulnow  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 6:53:16pm

re: #274 Occasional Reader

I guess not. I just didn't take it the way you did. Mendacious is probably a good description.

304 ArmyWife  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 6:53:30pm

re: #296 Sharmuta

Yep! I am ordering. The little one would love it. The big one is very cool, you know, but I think she would read this if I pinky promised not to tell.

305 [deleted]  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 6:53:38pm
306 MandyManners  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 6:53:41pm

re: #294 buzzsawmonkey

Hollywood has never hewed to period authenticity.

Well, if you axe me, they should.

307 onepistoffyid  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 6:53:46pm

re: #42 jcm

I'll take the New Republican Party with a side of Nazi...

*NOT*
*spit*

As a Jewish American cognizant of the age old appeal of anti-semitism as a political tool, my biggest fear is that Obama's leftist incompetence will lead to something much worse -an American fascist backlash.

308 albusteve  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 6:53:51pm

time out...enjoy some Hiatt for a minute


309 mich-again  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 6:54:20pm

O'Reilly is a pompous ass. He only invites guests in so he can tell them what he thinks and answer his own questions.

They could cut costs for his show by just showing a picture of the person O'Reilly wanted to have on as a guest so he could give their mug a piece of his mind.

310 [deleted]  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 6:54:25pm
311 carefulnow  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 6:54:28pm

re: #292 Charles

What's the difference if he actually did say it then? These clips don't edit themselves.

312 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 6:54:28pm

re: #295 USBeast

Yes, but French Fries can only be fried in the U. S.

You are mistaken, french fries were invented in France, pomme frites.

313 Sharmuta  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 6:54:34pm

re: #301 NYCHardhat

Deborah kicks Molly's butt. Infantry (wo)man- that's man's work and she was in the top of her division.

314 bellamags  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 6:54:44pm

re: #301 NYCHardhat

that's cool.

315 Sharmuta  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 6:55:17pm

re: #304 ArmyWife

Yep! I am ordering. The little one would love it. The big one is very cool, you know, but I think she would read this if I pinky promised not to tell.

Thanks- I have a wonderful idea now to a follow up for a project I'm working on.

316 Occasional Reader  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 6:55:30pm

re: #293 Walter L. Newton

I would have hoped for some indication that he was making a ironic statement. To slide right through it as if it was "fact"

Frankly, it seemed quite obvious to me that he was speaking ironically. That is, he was attributing a view to NYT liberals.

So you think he was a) postulating - he, Bill O'Reilly - the existence of a "White Male Power Structure": and b) endorsing it?

Really?

317 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 6:55:44pm

re: #310 buzzsawmonkey

No, only by authorized Frenchisees.

You know, you're not healthy. Please, get out of the city, breath some fresh air, go to Jersey.
/s

318 carefulnow  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 6:55:51pm

re: #298 LGoPs

HA!

319 ArmyWife  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 6:56:09pm

re: #315 Sharmuta

Oh good! You know I am an email away! In the alternative, I could simply mail you the 17 year old as a case study.

320 NYCHardhat  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 6:56:12pm

Another classic.

321 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 6:56:30pm

re: #316 Occasional Reader

Frankly, it seemed quite obvious to me that he was speaking ironically. That is, he was attributing a view to NYT liberals.

So you think he was a) postulating - he, Bill O'Reilly - the existence of a "White Male Power Structure": and b) endorsing it?

Really?

Why would he have denied it on tonight's program?

322 FrogMarch  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 6:56:31pm

I'm listening to Hannity in the background. (in an attempt to hear the O'Reilly show) They are discussing the woman who had 8 babies. She already has 6 kids at home. so now she has 14 kids, no job, no husband and lives at home with her parents.
Holy crap. That's fked up.

323 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 6:56:57pm

re: #322 FrogMarch

I'm listening to Hannity in the background. (in an attempt to hear the O'Reilly show) They are discussing the woman who had 8 babies. She already has 6 kids at home. so now she has 14 kids, no job, no husband and lives at home with her parents.
Holy crap. That's fked up.

Is she looking for a date?

324 Killgore Trout  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 6:56:58pm

re: #281 OldLineTexan

"Can I haz 72 cheeseburgers?"
I suspect it's real (although odd) but the Qassam Brigade logo thingy is usually on the right side of those videos.

325 NYCHardhat  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 6:57:07pm

re: #313 Sharmuta

Deborah kicks Molly's butt. Infantry (wo)man- that's man's work and she was in the top of her division.

re: #314 bellamags

that's cool.

Thats the one that sticks out in my mind from grammar school. I think I did a report on her.

326 rwmofo  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 6:57:23pm

What are the odds that Olbermann will mention O'Reilly tonight during his "I've got a man-crush on O'Reilly" segment?

327 Jim in Virginia  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 6:57:35pm

re: #248 OldLineTexan

She doesn't appear to think he aims to service the country right now, exactly.

/did I type that?


Bad, bad, bad.
Been meaning to tell you my Steve Klineberg story. He was Master at Lovett. Nice guy but as clueless as you'd expect a Sociology PhD to be. One night after dinner another Lovetteer and I (we were both oil field brats) were talking to him about the petroleum industry. Klineberg said- I swear, this is almost verbatim- that he couldn't understand how someone would have a profession where their main objective was just to make money.

328 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 6:57:39pm

OT

Call for pope to step down over Holocaust denier

[Link: www.breitbart.com...]

329 Gitarzan  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 6:57:49pm

re: #262 Cato the Elder

The fetish around loudmouths like O'Reilly, Coulter, Limbaugh and Ingraham doesn't do the conservative thinkers in this country any favors. We constantly have to apologize for their outbursts. And at their worst they give dKos a run for the money.

I don't really care for O'Reilly and Coulter (haven't listened to enough of Laura Ingraham to make a call one way or the other), but to bag on Rush on anything less than cold, hard facts is just wrong and short-sighted. To be honest, Rush has done more to keep real conservatism in the media spotlight and out there for the public to hear all these years than almost anyone else; if you're referring to his "ego", it's part of his schtick, nothing more and nothing less, and he's said as much in the past IIRC.

330 NYCHardhat  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 6:57:51pm

re: #313 Sharmuta

Deborah kicks Molly's butt. Infantry (wo)man- that's man's work and she was in the top of her division.

What do you mean thats MANS work?

331 Cato the Elder  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 6:58:00pm

re: #316 Occasional Reader

Frankly, it seemed quite obvious to me that he was speaking ironically. That is, he was attributing a view to NYT liberals.

So you think he was a) postulating - he, Bill O'Reilly - the existence of a "White Male Power Structure": and b) endorsing it?

Really?

"Postulating"? What's to postulate?

As for endorsing it, he's part of it, so he doesn't have to.

332 Occasional Reader  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 6:58:02pm

re: #321 Walter L. Newton

Why would he have denied it on tonight's program?

I have no idea.

But I'm having more than a little trouble with the idea that in the Year of Our Lord 2009, a major media figure would essentially declare "long live white supremacy!" on national t.v. Does. Not. Compute.

333 LGoPs  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 6:58:17pm

re: #322 FrogMarch

I'm listening to Hannity in the background. (in an attempt to hear the O'Reilly show) They are discussing the woman who had 8 babies. She already has 6 kids at home. so now she has 14 kids, no job, no husband and lives at home with her parents.
Holy crap. That's fked up.

Yeah, but it should qualify her for a sub-prime mortgage. Just ask Barney Frank...
/ Bastard

334 CharlieBravo  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 6:58:18pm

Isn't O'Reilly an 'independent' (half liberal - half conservative)? Probably easy to get confused and go off a deep end now and then.

335 Sharmuta  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 6:58:19pm

re: #325 NYCHardhat

Molly's quite famous, but there were other women-soldiers whose accomplishments far out weighed Molly's- not meaning ANY disrespect.

336 The Shadow Do  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 6:58:21pm

As a mush brained kid with a pony tail, I nonetheless tuned in to Firing Line every week. Buckley was fascinating. Not cool. Not hip. He was fascinating and he totally engaged me.

It really is not style but substance ultimately, at least for some of us.

I have to believe that there is somewhere in the current political mix a game changing intellect. O'Reilly ain't it obviously, as much as he would pretend to be.

Is it even possible for a Buckley to step up today? I think the opening is certainly there. A real game changer would be able to advance 'conservative' arguments without all the ugly fawning we see from the Left's hero worship.

337 carefulnow  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 6:58:24pm

re: #316 Occasional Reader

Are you a regular watcher? Because I am not, and I think that might be why I saw it differently. That there was a WMC power structure and that he and McCain are part of it and that Liberals want to take that power away and hand it over to the illegal immigrants pictured in his clips.

I dunno. Somebody educate me.

338 [deleted]  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 6:58:25pm
339 big steve  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 6:58:57pm

re: #284 MandyManners

Not enough cleavage back then.

I don't know...they always painted Liberty with her boobs out.

340 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 6:59:05pm

re: #332 Occasional Reader

I have no idea.

But I'm having more than a little trouble with the idea that in the Year of Our Lord 2009, a major media figure would essentially declare "long live white supremacy!" on national t.v. Does. Not. Compute.

Well Will Robinson, it does to me.

341 FrogMarch  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 6:59:09pm

re: #323 Walter L. Newton

Is she looking for a date?

They didn't say.
If you want a huge family, give her a call.

342 [deleted]  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 6:59:17pm
343 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 6:59:19pm

re: #307 onepistoffyid

As a Jewish American cognizant of the age old appeal of anti-semitism as a political tool, my biggest fear is that Obama's leftist incompetence will lead to something much worse -an American fascist backlash.

Reactionary maybe, but contrary to popular belief, fascism is not a product of the right, it is the other head of the socialist left.

The Fascists are right-wingers meme was created by Stalin to show how Hitler's socialism is so very different from his own. A propaganda play that shapes thought to this very day.

344 mich-again  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 6:59:42pm

re: #342 traderjoe9

I agree, so long that we keep the Muslims out.

Classy.

345 Sharmuta  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 6:59:45pm

re: #330 NYCHardhat

What do you mean thats MANS work?

Infantry is difficult as it is in today's military- back then it was more difficult. They only took the toughest men for those jobs. Deborah was a brick.

346 Occasional Reader  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 7:00:05pm

re: #331 Cato the Elder

"Postulating"? What's to postulate?

As for endorsing it, he's part of it, so he doesn't have to.

Um... okay. So, Cato the Elder believes that the US is run by a "white male power structure"?

Let me be clear; not just that there are lots of white males in power. Of course there are.

But that it's a "structure".

That's your position?

347 ArmyWife  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 7:00:05pm

re: #322 FrogMarch

I lived with my parents when my first was born - my husband was in Iraq for the tail end of the first go round, then 6 month tours in the middle east for other reindeer games. I am so thankful for them, I was scared and so young at the time. But I am thinking they wouldn't have been so supportive if I was unmarried with 14 babies, somehow.

My Daddy (retired COL) got teary eyed the other night when we were talking about my oldest's college applications. He said "I used to hold you when you took naps, young lady" which was old guy Army Code for "I love you, little girl".

348 Charles Johnson  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 7:00:10pm

re: #332 Occasional Reader

I have no idea.

But I'm having more than a little trouble with the idea that in the Year of Our Lord 2009, a major media figure would essentially declare "long live white supremacy!" on national t.v. Does. Not. Compute.

The video is from May 2007.

349 FrogMarch  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 7:00:16pm

re: #333 LGoPs

Yeah, but it should qualify her for a sub-prime mortgage. Just ask Barney Frank...
/ Bastard

Barney Frank is an economically illiterate embarrassment. I do not understand how he can show his face in public.

350 NYCHardhat  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 7:00:23pm

re: #345 Sharmuta

Infantry is difficult as it is in today's military- back then it was more difficult. They only took the toughest men for those jobs. Deborah was a brick.

I'm just baiting you. I know what you mean.

351 Wishing  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 7:00:30pm

re: #322 FrogMarch

I'm listening to Hannity in the background. (in an attempt to hear the O'Reilly show) They are discussing the woman who had 8 babies. She already has 6 kids at home. so now she has 14 kids, no job, no husband and lives at home with her parents.
Holy crap. That's fked up.

She has a baby obsession. I don't think she gives a rats butt for RAISING them, but is quite infatuated with BEING pregnant.

352 OldLineTexan  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 7:00:35pm

re: #324 Killgore Trout

"Can I haz 72 cheeseburgers?"
I suspect it's real (although odd) but the Qassam Brigade logo thingy is usually on the right side of those videos.

OK, now THAT was funny as hell!

353 grahamski  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 7:00:56pm

re: #1 NYCHardhat

We need new blood.

New blood is good if it comes here legally.

354 jorline  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 7:00:57pm

re: #309 mich-again

O'Reilly is a pompous ass. He only invites guests in so he can tell them what he thinks and answer his own questions.

They could cut costs for his show by just showing a picture of the person O'Reilly wanted to have on as a guest so he could give their mug a piece of his mind.

Soon...O'Riely tells the cow how to eat the cabbage.

355 mich-again  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 7:01:18pm

re: #345 Sharmuta

Deborah was a brick.

Politely referred to as good breeding stock.

356 Killgore Trout  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 7:01:37pm

re: #336 The Shadow Do


Is it even possible for a Buckley to step up today? I think the opening is certainly there. A real game changer would be able to advance 'conservative' arguments without all the ugly fawning we see from the Left's hero worship.


I'd guess that somebody in the next 10-15 years is going to step into Buckley's shoes but it's going to take a while. The existing leadership and talking heads are stuck in Reagan era/"family values"/culture wars crap. It's going to take some time for someone with a new perspective to show up on the scene.

357 stevieray  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 7:01:53pm

re: #322 FrogMarch

I'm listening to Hannity in the background. (in an attempt to hear the O'Reilly show) They are discussing the woman who had 8 babies. She already has 6 kids at home. so now she has 14 kids, no job, no husband and lives at home with her parents.
Holy crap. That's fked up.

Something weird is going on there... beyond the obvious,

A few of her neighbors said they asked her how she was supporting herself, and she supposedly hinted that someone was paying her for all of this.

I hope someone is looking into this thing; I think it is more than just a woman with extreme maternal instincts... something is fishy.

358 NYCHardhat  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 7:01:59pm

re: #355 mich-again

Politely referred to as good breeding stock.

Or. A whole lot of woman.

359 Sharmuta  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 7:02:01pm

re: #350 NYCHardhat

I'm a feminist, but not to the extreme I don't know my gender's limitations. And I don't appreciate sexist attitudes about men either, just so you know.

360 USBeast  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 7:02:15pm

re: #312 Walter L. Newton

You are mistaken, french fries were invented in France, pomme frites.

You just proved my point.

French Fries: U. S.

Chips: U. K.

Pomme Frites: France...or what's left (and I do mean Left) of it.

361 rwmofo  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 7:02:35pm

re: #334 CharlieBravo

Isn't O'Reilly an 'independent' (half liberal - half conservative)? Probably easy to get confused and go off a deep end now and then.

Try half-wit.

362 Sharmuta  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 7:02:37pm

re: #358 NYCHardhat

Jack Bauer as a chick.

363 Spiny Norman  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 7:02:41pm

re: #88 stevieray

Bill O'Reilly makes the same mistake the ethnic nationalists make -- he buys the multiculti idea that race = culture.

He is correct in noticing that immigration has turned into a sledgehammer to attack the foundation of America, i.e. a society built on the ideals of the Enlightenment, but he is wrong to assume that non-whites cannot come to embrace Western Civ as deeply as anyone else -- its just that they haven't been allowed for the last three decades.

The principles of the Enlightenment are easy to defend, as they are the basis for individual rights, human dignity, and economic prosperity -- people simply have to be willing to withstand the accusations of "racist" for doing so.

Attack Marxism, attack socialism, attack multiculturalism, attack moral relativism... but do not embrace ethnic nationalism. That is not the way to a bright future for humanity.

I'm a bit late to the thread, but nails the issue on the head.

364 Charles Johnson  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 7:02:45pm

Quote (O'Reilly speaking to John McCain):

They want to break down the white, Christian, male power structure of which you and I are a part.

He wasn't attributing the attitude to the Times, sorry.

365 Occasional Reader  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 7:02:53pm

re: #337 carefulnow

That there was a WMC power structure and that he and McCain are part of it and that Liberals want to take that power away and hand it over to the illegal immigrants pictured in his clips.

Um... pardon the vulgarity, but; no fucking way. That is not what he was saying.

Even if he BELIEVED that... as others (including those in disagreement with me) have pointed out, he's a seasoned, media professional. There is not a chance he would say it. And does anyone here seriously believe that John McCain is an avowed, unapologetic white supremacist?!

This is absolutely surreal.

366 Killgore Trout  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 7:03:00pm

re: #352 OldLineTexan
I just wish I'd thought of that when I posted the video, not after. I'm a little slow but I get there eventually.

367 FrogMarch  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 7:03:04pm

re: #347 ArmyWife

I lived with my parents when my first was born - my husband was in Iraq for the tail end of the first go round, then 6 month tours in the middle east for other reindeer games. I am so thankful for them, I was scared and so young at the time. But I am thinking they wouldn't have been so supportive if I was unmarried with 14 babies, somehow.

My Daddy (retired COL) got teary eyed the other night when we were talking about my oldest's college applications. He said "I used to hold you when you took naps, young lady" which was old guy Army Code for "I love you, little girl".

That is a sweet story. :-)
Parenting is tough, but worth it if you have the support and love. But 14 kids - 8 of which are all babies at one time? That's just nuts. Fertility drugs that lead to 8 babies... something is wrong.

368 [deleted]  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 7:03:05pm
369 Occasional Reader  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 7:03:16pm

re: #348 Charles

The video is from May 2007.

Oh, that's different...

?

370 [deleted]  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 7:03:19pm
371 LGoPs  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 7:03:31pm

re: #349 FrogMarch

Barney Frank is an economically illiterate embarrassment. I do not understand how he can show his face in public.

Because he's a Democrat and in the eyes of the MFM, Democrats can do no wrong.
I know you know that FrogMarch...just need to get it out of my system, every fucking chance I get. I hate the fucking MFM...

372 NYCHardhat  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 7:03:37pm

re: #359 Sharmuta

I'm a feminist, but not to the extreme I don't know my gender's limitations. And I don't appreciate sexist attitudes about men either, just so you know.

I know. I figured you out. I think we can agree on most things.

373 OldLineTexan  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 7:03:47pm

re: #327 Jim in Virginia

Bad, bad, bad.
Been meaning to tell you my Steve Klineberg story. He was Master at Lovett. Nice guy but as clueless as you'd expect a Sociology PhD to be. One night after dinner another Lovetteer and I (we were both oil field brats) were talking to him about the petroleum industry. Klineberg said- I swear, this is almost verbatim- that he couldn't understand how someone would have a profession where their main objective was just to make money.

Oh.my.God.

Thank goodness my senior Mechanical Design course was taught by a full prof (IIRC he was the Dean of the ME school that year) who whored himself out as an expert witness and made a pretty penny at it.

374 HoosierHoops  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 7:04:00pm

re: #334 CharlieBravo

Isn't O'Reilly an 'independent' (half liberal - half conservative)? Probably easy to get confused and go off a deep end now and then.

There should be a crawler on the screen during the show..just like you said...
Warning...O'Reiilly is an independent.. He is half liberal and half Conservative.
He is often confused.. The deep end is his middle name...Please buy the book.
He is thoughtful cause he went to Harvard..He is angry cause..everybody is a pinhead!

375 mich-again  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 7:04:02pm

re: #354 jorline

Chevrolet should offer a brand new car or truck to any "Factor" guest who could make O'Reilly admit that he was wrong about anything. Good advertising and it wouldn't cost a thing ever.

376 Cato the Elder  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 7:04:15pm

re: #346 Occasional Reader

Um... okay. So, Cato the Elder believes that the US is run by a "white male power structure"?

Let me be clear; not just that there are lots of white males in power. Of course there are.

But that it's a "structure".

That's your position?

Yep.

377 NYCHardhat  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 7:04:27pm

re: #362 Sharmuta

Jack Bauer as a chick.

I always had a crush on Vasquez from the movie Aliens.

378 Killgore Trout  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 7:04:35pm

re: #365 Occasional Reader

And does anyone here seriously believe that John McCain is an avowed, unapologetic white supremacist?!


No, but with all due respect to McCain he's spineless and didn't speak up.

379 FrogMarch  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 7:04:48pm

re: #338 buzzsawmonkey

It takes a village of tax payers.

380 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 7:04:51pm

re: #349 FrogMarch

Barney Frank is an economically illiterate embarrassment. I do not understand how he can show his face in public.

It's easy when your sense of shame has been surgically removed. Its a standard operation for all Democrats.

381 Occasional Reader  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 7:04:58pm

re: #340 Walter L. Newton

Well Will Robinson, it does to me.

So the US is as "institutionally racist" as every KosKid and DU nutbag has ever declared it to be?

That's what you think?

382 Scion9  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 7:05:00pm

So is it white Christian male, or white, Christian, male? I mean, do I need to be all three to be part of the Oligarchy, or can I take two out of three? Am white male. Need to know if faking Christianity will get me into world domination club. Thank you for your replies white Christian males.

383 [deleted]  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 7:05:07pm
384 Sosigado  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 7:05:09pm

re: #307 onepistoffyid

As a Jewish American cognizant of the age old appeal of anti-semitism as a political tool, my biggest fear is that Obama's leftist incompetence will lead to something much worse -an American fascist backlash.

If there's going to be a civilized backlash against Obama, it won't come from fascists. It will come from Americans who will not stand idly by and watch he and his cronies plunge this country into the true despair that is socialism.

385 bellamags  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 7:05:18pm

re: #377 NYCHardhat

I always had a crush on Vasquez from the movie Aliens.

I had a crush on Russell Crowe.

386 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 7:05:23pm

re: #345 Sharmuta

Infantry is difficult as it is in today's military- back then it was more difficult.

I beg to differ... there is very little separating a modern infantryman's lot from a Roman Centurions'. The weapons and tactics are different, the medical care far better, the food is better.

But the mud, the rain, the horror, the loneliness, the heat or cold and the weariness are all the same. Nothing is modern or shiny when you are sitting in the bottom of a wet hole shivering just like your ancestors.

387 OldLineTexan  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 7:05:27pm

re: #346 Occasional Reader

Um... okay. So, Cato the Elder believes that the US is run by a "white male power structure"?

Let me be clear; not just that there are lots of white males in power. Of course there are.

But that it's a "structure".

That's your position?


Don't forget CHRISTIAN. That's part of it.

So no fair counting Je ... err ... neocons.

388 [deleted]  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 7:05:35pm
389 NYCHardhat  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 7:05:41pm

re: #385 bellamags

I had a crush on Russell Crowe.

Oh you devil!

390 rebnatan  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 7:05:55pm

If Pat Buchanan says it's snowing while white flakes are coming down from the sky, do we say he's wrong because he's Pat Buchanan? As vile as the man may be, it is counter to reason to disagree automatically with everything he spews from his mouth
I think Bill was speaking facetiously about what the NYT is attacking. And while I think he's a self-important windbag, he's a smart self-important windbag with a lot of insights. As someone who is not part of "the white, Christian, male power structure," I will still watch and enjoy his show.

391 Jim in Virginia  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 7:06:13pm

re: #319 ArmyWife

Oh good! You know I am an email away! In the alternative, I could simply mail you the 17 year old as a case study.


I'lll trade you for two fourteen year olds.
I float in a sea of estrogen.

392 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 7:06:15pm

re: #365 Occasional Reader

Um... pardon the vulgarity, but; no fucking way. That is not what he was saying.

Even if he BELIEVED that... as others (including those in disagreement with me) have pointed out, he's a seasoned, media professional. There is not a chance he would say it. And does anyone here seriously believe that John McCain is an avowed, unapologetic white supremacist?!

This is absolutely surreal.

see Charles' 364

393 esch  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 7:06:21pm

re: #377 NYCHardhat

I always had a crush on Vasquez from the movie Aliens.

Me too

394 NYCHardhat  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 7:06:24pm

re: #385 bellamags

I had a crush on Russell Crowe.

Virginia has nothing on you sweetheart.

395 bellamags  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 7:06:24pm

re: #389 NYCHardhat

Oh you devil!

who me? (bats eyelashes)

396 Occasional Reader  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 7:06:25pm

re: #376 Cato the Elder

Yep.

Uh... okay. So, same question for you: the KosKids have been right all along?
And the DUers, too?

397 mich-again  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 7:06:36pm

re: #374 HoosierHoops

There should be a crawler on the screen during the show..just like you said...
Warning...O'Reiilly is an independent.. He is half liberal and half Conservative.
He is often confused.. The deep end is his middle name...Please buy the book.
He is thoughtful cause he went to Harvard..He is angry cause..everybody is a pinhead!


Just imagine Bill O'Reilly and Larry King interviewing each other. That could spin out of control in a hurry.

398 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 7:06:47pm

re: #381 Occasional Reader

So the US is as "institutionally racist" as every KosKid and DU nutbag has ever declared it to be?

That's what you think?

OP, of course I don't agree, but he said it.

399 big steve  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 7:06:50pm

re: #332 Occasional Reader

I have no idea.

But I'm having more than a little trouble with the idea that in the Year of Our Lord 2009, a major media figure would essentially declare "long live white supremacy!" on national t.v. Does. Not. Compute.

I think the days of white males setting the rules are over...kaput...and good riddance. I for one, being a white male, am tired of always getting blamed. One thing that I do find interesting is that everyone wants to blame "the man" but no one wants to recognize the contributions of white males. Is it possible now, for white males to actually show a little pride in their gender race? Can one say, for example, hey that white guy is a pretty good quarterback (in fact both were pretty good quarterbacks last night) or hey that white guy put on a hell of a show at half time last night and mean it as a point of simple pride and not as some sort of racial gender dominance thing. My guess is that we are still not there yet and white males have to be stomped a while longer before they can show pride without being labeled a racist of male pig...just asking.

400 NYCHardhat  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 7:06:57pm

re: #393 esch

Me too

badass!

401 OldLineTexan  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 7:07:20pm

re: #382 Scion9

So is it white Christian male, or white, Christian, male? I mean, do I need to be all three to be part of the Oligarchy, or can I take two out of three? Am white male. Need to know if faking Christianity will get me into world domination club. Thank you for your replies white Christian males.

You will be exposed in the hazing process, during which we require you to nuke a gay baby whale ... FOR JESUS.

And we can TELL the difference if you don't do it for Jesus, boy.

402 bellamags  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 7:07:21pm

re: #394 NYCHardhat

thank you very much. : )

403 NYCHardhat  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 7:07:40pm

re: #395 bellamags

who me? (bats eyelashes)

:P

404 mich-again  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 7:07:43pm

re: #388 traderjoe9

Sorry, I meant we should let them in and consume us the same way they are doing in Europe.

What about the ones already here? Should we round em up and ship em out?

405 ArmyWife  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 7:07:43pm

re: #391 Jim in Virginia

You and poor Mr. ArmyWife. Me, 17 year old, 10 year old, the cat and the German Shepherd. Only males are my husband and the two chihuahuas. Well, I have 2 geldings (and a mare), but they don't live in the house.

406 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 7:07:47pm

re: #378 Killgore Trout

No, but with all due respect to McCain he's spineless and didn't speak up.

John McCain's go-along-to-get-along urges got the better of him there, as they usually do. The upshot of those urges was a lost election and 4 years of President Barack Hussein Obama. [facepalm]

407 esch  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 7:07:51pm

re: #400 NYCHardhat

I thought I was the only ass-kicking latina fan around. Shweet.

408 Cato the Elder  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 7:08:04pm

re: #364 Charles

Quote (O'Reilly speaking to John McCain):

They want to break down the white, Christian, male power structure of which you and I are a part.

He wasn't attributing the attitude to the Times, sorry.

Thank you. Those last eight words clinch the deal.

Otherwise he could have just said "so-called".

409 FrogMarch  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 7:08:14pm

re: #371 LGoPs

Because he's a Democrat and in the eyes of the MFM, Democrats can do no wrong.
I know you know that FrogMarch...just need to get it out of my system, every fucking chance I get. I hate the fucking MFM...

MFM are as economically illiterate as Barney Frank. They are too blinded by their bad-faith relationship with their democrats to be a responsible press.

410 Sharmuta  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 7:08:14pm

re: #386 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

Fair enough- I will defer to your military experience and knowledge, though I think the methods of weaponry have probably improved and made a difference in some respect. But again- I'll defer.

411 Charles Johnson  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 7:08:20pm

The bottom line for me is that O'Reilly tried to obfuscate the issue - he played PART of the video with that statement, but avoided playing the actual statement.

That stinks to high heaven. If he said it, and wasn't ashamed of it, he could have taken that opportunity to defend it. To say what he really meant.

He didn't. Instead, he covered it up with a fine layer of bullshit about other issues.

412 NYCHardhat  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 7:08:27pm

re: #407 esch

I thought I was the only ass-kicking latina fan around. Shweet.

I don't know...there's something about a woman with guns.

413 rwmofo  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 7:08:39pm

re: #378 Killgore Trout

No, but with all due respect to McCain he's spineless and didn't speak up.

I really don't think that McCain was silently agreeing with O'Reilly. If he had to correct all of O'Reilly's demented ramblings, he wouldn't be able to discuss anything that he had planned for the show.

414 The Shadow Do  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 7:08:51pm

re: #356 Killgore Trout

I'd guess that somebody in the next 10-15 years is going to step into Buckley's shoes but it's going to take a while. The existing leadership and talking heads are stuck in Reagan era/"family values"/culture wars crap. It's going to take some time for someone with a new perspective to show up on the scene.

Crap, I'll be dead by then.

415 esch  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 7:09:15pm

He really jumped the snark this time.

416 Killgore Trout  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 7:09:17pm

re: #406 Dark_Falcon


The upshot of those urges was a lost election and 4 years of President Barack Hussein Obama. [facepalm]


I feel pretty confident we're looking at 8 years of Obama.

417 caligal  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 7:09:23pm

sorry for the off topic remark, need to say this: the continued hypocrisy of this new (changed) administration...

“Make no mistake, tax cheaters cheat us all, and the IRS should enforce our laws to the letter. ” (Congressional Record, May 7, 1998, p. S4507, Senator Tom Daschle (D-SD))

418 Gitarzan  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 7:09:24pm

re: #377 NYCHardhat

I always had a crush on Vasquez from the movie Aliens.



Possible response to Dear Leader's administration:
"That's it man, game over man, game over! What the fuck are we gonna do now? What are we gonna do?"

/Hudson
;-P

419 jaunte  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 7:09:40pm

re: #411 Charles

Not a "stand-up guy" moment for him.

420 NYCHardhat  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 7:09:49pm

re: #418 talon_262


Possible response to Dear Leader's administration:
"That's it man, game over man, game over! What the fuck are we gonna do now? What are we gonna do?"

/Hudson
;-P

Classic!

421 carefulnow  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 7:09:51pm

re: #357 stevieray

I read that her husband was a translator in Iraq.

Clearly, she is mentally deficient and/or unstable and her parents, with whom she lives, haven't a clue how to deal with her.

And apparently, doctors cannot deny her fertility treatments.

422 FrogMarch  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 7:10:06pm

re: #411 Charles

The bottom line for me is that O'Reilly tried to obfuscate the issue - he played PART of the video with that statement, but avoided playing the actual statement.

That stinks to high heaven. If he said it, and wasn't ashamed of it, he could have taken that opportunity to defend it. To say what he really meant.

He didn't. Instead, he covered it up with a fine layer of bullshit about other issues.

an old lefty trick. Not cool.

423 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 7:10:10pm

re: #326 rwmofo

What are the odds that Olbermann will mention O'Reilly tonight during his "I've got a man-crush on O'Reilly" segment?

Since you've mentioned that d-bag, I have to admit that though I dislike O'rly, I can't stand O'lby. I can at least agree with some of O'rly's positions to a certain extent.

Still, it's kinda like choosing between a punch on the nose or a tobassco enema

424 ArmyWife  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 7:10:12pm

Ok, group. 24 and House is over - I've been told it's bed time.

Night all!

425 NYCHardhat  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 7:10:14pm

Hey bella,
#412

;)

426 bellamags  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 7:10:18pm

re: #412 NYCHardhat

I don't know...there's something about a woman with guns.

bad

427 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 7:10:34pm

re: #416 Killgore Trout

I feel pretty confident we're looking at 8 years of Obama.

[returns to beating head against wall]

428 esch  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 7:10:38pm

re: #418 talon_262


Possible response to Dear Leader's administration:
"That's it man, game over man, game over! What the fuck are we gonna do now? What are we gonna do?"

/Hudson
;-P

Obama's response: "Yeah but it's a DRY heat!"

429 ArmyWife  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 7:10:42pm

re: #421 carefulnow

The translator is her father. Seriously, not. I'm OUT!

430 NYCHardhat  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 7:10:45pm

re: #426 bellamags

bad

I sooo am.

431 HoosierHoops  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 7:11:06pm

re: #382 Scion9

So is it white Christian male, or white, Christian, male? I mean, do I need to be all three to be part of the Oligarchy, or can I take two out of three? Am white male. Need to know if faking Christianity will get me into world domination club. Thank you for your replies white Christian males.

I'm not sure how to answer..Let's say..just for auguments sake i was all Three..What am I signing up for here? And is there a membership card?
If I am 2 out of three can i sue for equal rights?

432 NYCHardhat  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 7:11:14pm

re: #428 esch

Obama's response: "Yeah but it's a DRY heat!"

knock it off Hudson

*Apone*

433 [deleted]  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 7:11:23pm
434 bellamags  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 7:11:31pm

re: #425 NYCHardhat

Hey bella,
#412

;)

I was trying to find a good Salma Hayek pic when she was in Desperado. I loved that movie.

435 DEZes  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 7:11:49pm

Do I eat the double barreled shotgun or the wheel gun for lunch?

436 OldLineTexan  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 7:12:08pm

re: #404 mich-again

What about the ones already here? Should we round em up and ship em out?

Are they here illegally?

What other laws should we ignore because someone makes a buck? Drug-related murder, maybe? After all, if they kill each other ...

///

We either have laws or we don't.

437 Occasional Reader  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 7:12:13pm

re: #411 Charles

The bottom line for me is that O'Reilly tried to obfuscate the issue - he played PART of the video with that statement, but avoided playing the actual statement.

That stinks to high heaven. If he said it, and wasn't ashamed of it, he could have taken that opportunity to defend it. To say what he really meant.

He didn't. Instead, he covered it up with a fine layer of bullshit about other issues.

"Do you understand what the New York Times wants, and the far left wants"... that's what he preceded the quote with. Seems fairly clear to me that he was attributing a viewpoint to them.

I have no idea why he obfuscated in tonight's show, nor did I see it.

438 NYCHardhat  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 7:12:20pm

re: #434 bellamags

I was trying to find a good Salma Hayek pic when she was in Desperado. I loved that movie.

its a good one.

439 jaunte  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 7:12:27pm

re: #435 DEZes

Take the cannoli.

440 big steve  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 7:12:49pm

re: #416 Killgore Trout

I feel pretty confident we're looking at 8 years of Obama.

I am not so sure...it is way early but I think the prognostications of the country turning "center left" are off base. The left has a charismatic leader with a huge novelty factor following a very unpopular president and facing a fussy old guy whom his own party didn't trust and yet it was reasonably close. Give Obama 3 years to disappoint his followers and enrage the opposition...

441 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 7:12:52pm

re: #433 traderjoe9

Nope. There's hardly enough Muslims currently in the United States for any concern. Immigration for them should still be strict however...and we should also take into account that while they reproduce like bunnies, the fertility rate of white females is much below where it should be - 1.7.

And what happens when it get up to, oh, let's say 3.0 per Muslim woman?

442 NYCHardhat  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 7:12:53pm

re: #439 jaunte

Take the cannoli.

you beat me!

443 FrogMarch  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 7:12:55pm

re: #380 Dark_Falcon

It's easy when your sense of shame has been surgically removed. Its a standard operation for all Democrats.

There is a huge box of shame(D) in some DC hospital basement.

444 Jim in Virginia  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 7:13:06pm

re: #382 Scion9

So is it white Christian male, or white, Christian, male? I mean, do I need to be all three to be part of the Oligarchy, or can I take two out of three? Am white male. Need to know if faking Christianity will get me into world domination club. Thank you for your replies white Christian males.

Not just Christian but Anglo Saxon Protestant. You don't have to be Episcopalian but it helps.

445 esch  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 7:13:44pm

re: #435 DEZes

Do I eat the double barreled shotgun or the wheel gun for lunch?

Neither. Don't let them win.

'These are the times...' that booze was invented for.

446 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 7:13:46pm

re: #410 Sharmuta

Thank you.

Weapons and tactics have made a big difference, but not in the positive. Now you can worry about getting killed or maimed at the most unsuspecting of moments (and is some particularly horrifying ways)... back in the day, if the enemy wasn't within a few hundred yards with a clean line of sight, you didn't have too much to worry about.

447 Cato the Elder  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 7:14:01pm

re: #396 Occasional Reader

Uh... okay. So, same question for you: the KosKids have been right all along?
And the DUers, too?

Granting the existence of a thing claimed by others does not imply adherence to their proposed solutions.

448 carefulnow  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 7:14:08pm

re: #365 Occasional Reader

Do you think that he said it, in 2007, to offer up an argument then? And what of his later denial?

449 bellamags  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 7:14:09pm

re: #439 jaunte

Take the cannoli.

ooo. cannoli. i am sooo hungry.

450 WriterMom  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 7:14:09pm

re: #332 Occasional Reader

I think what he meant was that him and John McCain are representative of what the LEFT calls 'old, Christian white male patriarchy'-he was riffing on it, rather than saying those people are trying to destroy yours and my white, male Christian culture.

He got nervous trying to explain it, and is really f&cking up damage control. However, any reference to Pat Buchanan sucks.

451 Gitarzan  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 7:14:24pm

re: #400 NYCHardhat

badass!

I didn't realize Ms. Goldstein had been in other movies I love, like T2 and Lethal Weapon 2...she was so butched up in Aliens, I never recognized her in anything else.

;-P

452 Occasional Reader  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 7:14:48pm

re: #450 WriterMom

I think what he meant was that him and John McCain are representative of what the LEFT calls 'old, Christian white male patriarchy'-he was riffing on it, rather than saying those people are trying to destroy yours and my white, male Christian culture.

He got nervous trying to explain it, and is really f&cking up damage control. However, any reference to Pat Buchanan sucks.

We are in complete agreement.

453 [deleted]  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 7:14:57pm
454 big steve  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 7:15:10pm

just got my W2's and several portfolio year end earnings...time to do the taxes...how many innocent mistakes am I allowed on my return?

455 esch  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 7:15:43pm

re: #451 talon_262

I just about dropped out of my chair when I realized she was Janelle. I KNEW I had seen her before.

456 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 7:15:53pm

re: #453 traderjoe9

You do realize that for Muslim women, the fertility rate is as high as 5 in many areas of the country?

Is that ok with you?

457 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 7:15:54pm

re: #444 Jim in Virginia

Not just Christian but Anglo Saxon Protestant. You don't have to be Episcopalian but it helps.

Well that lets O'Reilly out since he's Irish. It also lets me out since I'm German and Catholic to boot.

458 Killgore Trout  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 7:16:09pm

re: #437 Occasional Reader

The Nativists Are Restless
January 31, 2009

It is easy to mock white-supremacist views as pathetic and to assume that nativism in the age of Obama is on the way out. The country has, of course, made considerable progress since the days of Know-Nothings and the Klan. But racism has a nasty habit of never going away, no matter how much we may want it to, and thus the perpetual need for vigilance.

It is all around us. Much was made of the Republican mailing of the parody song “Barack the Magic Negro,” but the same notorious CD included “The Star Spanglish Banner,” a puerile bit of Latino-baiting. It is easily found on YouTube. Google the words “Bill O’Reilly” and “white, Christian male power structure” for another YouTube taste of the Fox News host assailing the immigration views of “the far left” (including The Times) as racially traitorous.

The Video Charles posted was from last year so Bill was clearly not referencing the article about him because it wasn't written yet.

459 Sharmuta  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 7:16:21pm

re: #446 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

But I'm still in the clear for calling it man's work, right? Tough damn job that few women could manage, imo. And she was one of the best in her division!

460 [deleted]  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 7:16:24pm
461 LGoPs  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 7:16:38pm

re: #409 FrogMarch

MFM are as economically illiterate as Barney Frank. They are too blinded by their bad-faith relationship with their democrats to be a responsible press.

Bad faith is an important point. it stems from their self-anointed, self-righteousness and gives them license to lie and distort and manipulate because of course it is for a 'just cause'. Excuse me while I *Spit*.
I think the phenomenon is similar to that tequila bullshit the Muslims follow. Any falsehood is ok as long as it supports the cause.
These are all very dangerous people and they have inordinate control over large numbers of us...

462 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 7:16:42pm

re: #454 big steve

just got my W2's and several portfolio year end earnings...time to do the taxes...how many innocent mistakes am I allowed on my return?

Well, I think first you should just put the paperwork away until someone asks you about it, then take care of it, maybe, or maybe not.

463 [deleted]  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 7:16:43pm
464 WriterMom  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 7:16:48pm

re: #454 big steve

That depends, do you work in the Obama White House staff or not?

465 albusteve  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 7:17:03pm

re: #427 Dark_Falcon

[returns to beating head against wall]

and then his underlings...brace yourself, it can happen

466 Gitarzan  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 7:17:07pm

re: #451 talon_262

And she's been in "24" and at least one of the Star Trek movies with the TNG cast (Generations), among other things...sweet!

467 nanook  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 7:17:10pm

re: #25 Sharmuta

That's why I quit watching his show years ago, and then added hannity. Now it's the whole damn network.

But...but... but... Neil Cavuto!

468 rwmofo  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 7:17:37pm

re: #453 traderjoe9

You do realize that for Muslim women, the fertility rate is as high as 5 in many areas of the country?

Now I'm curious. Do you have any suggestions?

469 carefulnow  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 7:17:39pm

re: #429 ArmyWife

I stand corrected. Have fun!

470 Sosigado  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 7:17:48pm

re: #454 big steve

just got my W2's and several portfolio year end earnings...time to do the taxes...how many innocent mistakes am I allowed on my return?

I'm afraid to open mine.

471 Killgore Trout  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 7:17:51pm

re: #440 big steve

Obama will surely disappoint but the Republicans need to run a viable candidate. Now that looks like Palin, Jindal and Possibly Huckabee. All 3 a destined to lose.

472 [deleted]  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 7:18:06pm
473 Sharmuta  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 7:18:08pm

re: #467 nanook

But...but... but... Neil Cavuto!

He's the only thing I miss.

474 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 7:18:11pm

re: #459 Sharmuta

But I'm still in the clear for calling it man's work, right? Tough damn job that few women could manage, imo. And she was one of the best in her division!

Damn tough no matter what sex you are. Just a miserable way to live.

/I'd call it "man's work" simply because I don't want my daughter having to get anywhere near it.

475 NYCHardhat  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 7:18:13pm

So to wrap this up... Bill O'Reilly is a buttplug.

476 big steve  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 7:18:16pm

re: #464 WriterMom

That depends, do you work in the Obama White House staff or not?

funny thing is that my sister does work for HSS and I have been pestering her about how many mistakes I am allowed.

477 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 7:18:17pm

re: #454 big steve

just got my W2's and several portfolio year end earnings...time to do the taxes...how many innocent mistakes am I allowed on my return?

None, unless you're a Friend of Obama. Then all your tax mistakes are forgiven with a good old Chicago Cash Handshake.

478 esch  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 7:18:23pm

re: #460 traderjoe9

Or the fact that in France and Great Britain, the next generation, the majority of people under 20 will be Muslim?

That's...not a cause for concern?

GB, France and Germany are done. There is no saving them. Go visit them soon while you're still allowed.

479 LGoPs  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 7:18:32pm

re: #435 DEZes

Do I eat the double barreled shotgun or the wheel gun for lunch?

Whoa. What you talking about?

480 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 7:18:44pm

re: #463 traderjoe9

Is that ok with YOU?

Yes. Now stop answering my questions with another question. Why don't you be honest and answer my inquiries?

IS the birth rate among Muslim women ok with you, and if not, what do you propose should be done, if anything?

Answer in 5, 4, 3, 2...

481 bellamags  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 7:19:08pm

I love watching Barrett Jackson auctions. Many, many sweet cars.

482 Occasional Reader  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 7:19:09pm

re: #458 Killgore Trout

The Nativists Are Restless
January 31, 2009

The Video Charles posted was from last year so Bill was clearly not referencing the article about him because it wasn't written yet.

Um... okay, I read Charles' statement "Here’s the editorial O’Reilly was ranting about" and assumed it was. But either way... it's not like the NYT suddenly started being left-liberal in 2008, right? So I assume that in the linked video clip, O'Reilly was referring to other, similar pieces.

483 WriterMom  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 7:19:09pm

re: #452 Occasional Reader

There is no way he would put his celebrity on line to "expose" his beliefs in this way in such a casual manner. I think that's preposterous. This was a flub up on his part for not using the words "so-called", or scary air quotes...

484 big steve  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 7:19:09pm

re: #470 Sosigado

I'm afraid to open mine.

are you kidding...the only time these losses bring a smile to my face is when I can write them off my taxes.

485 mich-again  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 7:19:22pm

re: #433 traderjoe9

Nope. There's hardly enough Muslims currently in the United States for any concern. Immigration for them should still be strict however...and we should also take into account that while they reproduce like bunnies, the fertility rate of white females is much below where it should be - 1.7.

First I disagree with the hardly enough for any concern remark. There were enough here the morning of 9/11 to warrant some concern. Second, I disagree with the "them" and "they" references. As for the bunny comment, you aren't going to last long here.

486 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 7:19:30pm

re: #468 rwmofo

Now I'm curious. Do you have any suggestions?

Time for all Westerners to burn their Population Bomb books and get their groove on...

/cue p0rn music...

487 Gitarzan  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 7:19:38pm

re: #455 esch

I just about dropped out of my chair when I realized she was Janelle. I KNEW I had seen her before.

Same here...too bad her characters in Aliens, T2, and Lethal Weapon 2 met with bad ends, but she's a good actress to be able to not play the same role in every movie she's been in.

488 OldLineTexan  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 7:19:46pm

re: #453 traderjoe9

You do realize that for Muslim women, the fertility rate is as high as 5 in many areas of the country?

That's my wife's score.

I had no idea she was Muslim!

489 Sharmuta  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 7:19:54pm

re: #474 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

Damn tough no matter what sex you are. Just a miserable way to live.

/I'd call it "man's work" simply because I don't want my daughter having to get anywhere near it.

And I'm sure there are women who could hack it, but not many.

490 Basho  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 7:19:54pm

Err... can we not start with muslim demographic fear-mongering before it invites all the crazies...

491 Occasional Reader  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 7:19:57pm

re: #454 big steve

just got my W2's and several portfolio year end earnings...time to do the taxes...how many innocent mistakes am I allowed on my return?

Depends. Are you a connected, high-level Democratic Party bigwig?

If so, toss all that junk in the garbage, and watch cartoons.

492 Noam Sayin'  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 7:20:00pm

WTF? They killed off Callie DuQuesne?

493 OldLineTexan  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 7:20:04pm

re: #463 traderjoe9

Is that ok with YOU?

What?

/

494 HoosierHoops  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 7:20:08pm

re: #397 mich-again

Just imagine Bill O'Reilly and Larry King interviewing each other. That could spin out of control in a hurry.

You are an Freaking genius..just wait till Buzzsaw gives us the ultimate interview of Larry King and Bill O'Reilly.
Bill: You WERE are absolute communist undercover teacher in the commerce dept working for the UN! ? Weren't you?
Larry: So.. Tell us Bill..Who was your first love in College? What was her name?
Bill: HAVE YOU READ MY LATEST BOOK?
Larry: umm.you said that a minute ago...
Bill: Did you know I'm protecting you from pinheads?!
Larry: What's your favorite color?

495 Charles Johnson  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 7:20:17pm

And please note that O'Reilly tried to obfuscate this issue while sitting on the same TV set with invited guest Bay Buchanan, who participated in an ugly racialist press conference with some of the most notorious far-right ideologues in America.

Sorry. My "benefit of the doubt" quota is all used up for this decade.

496 [deleted]  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 7:20:31pm
497 albusteve  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 7:20:33pm

re: #481 bellamags

I love watching Barrett Jackson auctions. Many, many sweet cars.

Antique Road Show just kills Neil Cavuto...imo

498 NYCHardhat  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 7:20:35pm

re: #489 Sharmuta

And I'm sure there are women who could hack it, but not many.

more power to them if they want to serve our country.

499 freetoken  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 7:20:42pm

re: #390 rebnatan

The problem with taking the position is that he did not indicated either by tone of voice or body language what you wish him to have projected. He just dumps it right out there. Also note that McCain looks like he had to sit awkwardly while O'reilly is speaking.

500 bellamags  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 7:20:52pm

re: #475 NYCHardhat

So to wrap this up... Bill O'Reilly is a buttplug.

I agree. total buttplug.

501 Occasional Reader  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 7:20:54pm

re: #488 OldLineTexan

That's my wife's score.

I had no idea she was Muslim!

This means you're entitled to 4 more.

As that knight in the Indiana Jones movie said: Choose wisely.

502 rwmofo  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 7:21:10pm

re: #472 traderjoe9

Besides the whole...be more strict on immigration?

You seemed to have suddenly broadened your focus. Prior to this your comments got the attention of several people.

503 Sosigado  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 7:21:10pm

re: #484 big steve

are you kidding...the only time these losses bring a smile to my face is when I can write them off my taxes.

Yeah, but it's still the law of diminishing returns (so to speak) at play there.

504 Sharmuta  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 7:21:12pm

re: #458 Killgore Trout

And the kicker is he said bucanan was right. Ugh.

505 Spiny Norman  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 7:21:22pm

re: #421 carefulnow

I read that her husband father is a translator in Iraq.

Clearly, she is mentally deficient and/or unstable and her parents, with whom she lives, haven't a clue how to deal with her.

And apparently, doctors cannot deny her fertility treatments.

Fixed it. The Whittier, CA "octo-mom" has never been married and ALL of her children were in vitro.

506 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 7:21:45pm

re: #489 Sharmuta

And I'm sure there are women who could hack it, but not many.

Lots would... but they really don't want to... guys don't want to, either, once they get a taste.

507 bellamags  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 7:21:53pm

re: #497 albusteve

Antique Road Show just kills Neil Cavuto...imo

yeah. it does. Barrett Jackson just amazes me.

508 avanti  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 7:21:54pm

Gregg to Commerce tommorow

509 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 7:22:08pm

re: #492 Noam Sayin'

WTF? They killed off Callie DuQuesne?

The episode isn't over yet. Hang on, and see how it ends.

510 rwmofo  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 7:22:10pm

re: #475 NYCHardhat

So to wrap this up... Bill O'Reilly is a buttplug.

Heh. That was funnier seeing "Michelle" say it.

511 lifeofthemind  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 7:22:10pm

Evening
Don't like O'Reilly much, dislike the leftists who try to use him as the face of conservatives even more. Given that communications is his craft I'm surprised he spoke so poorly and handled the attack so clumsily. I'd have expected him to be waiting for the Times and to reply cogently with guns blazing. Here it looks like he sucker punched himself.

512 Jim in Virginia  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 7:22:12pm

re: #488 OldLineTexan

That's my wife's score.

I had no idea she was Muslim!

Five kids?
What would Paul Ehrlich say?
Are they all going to attend William Rice's Marsh?

513 big steve  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 7:22:18pm

re: #433 traderjoe9

Nope. There's hardly enough Muslims currently in the United States for any concern. Immigration for them should still be strict however...and we should also take into account that while they reproduce like bunnies, the fertility rate of white females is much below where it should be - 1.7.

look...having kids is one of the complete joys of being alive. Anyone who wants them and thinks they can care for them can have as many as they want. Cultures have ALWAYS out bred each other. This is freedom. The alternative is communist China where you get one kid.

514 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 7:22:38pm

re: #496 traderjoe9

No, the birth rate is obviously not fine by me. I'm not saying we should simply round them up and kick them out...I'm simply saying that we should be far more strict on Muslim immigration.

Ok, you did not answer my question in full. Now we know that you don't like the birth rate among Muslim women. Got that. Now I asked what would YOU do about it?

I did not say you said anything... yet... that's what I am trying to get from you, a complete and honest answer to my question.

Try hard this time...

515 FrogMarch  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 7:22:50pm

re: #390 rebnatan

You make a point. But I think Fox News needs to ditch Pat Buchanan as a guest.

516 Noam Sayin'  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 7:23:09pm

re: #492 Noam Sayin'

I guess not.

517 Dar ul Harbarian  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 7:23:11pm

Maybe Bill O'reilly needs to use sarc tags

518 [deleted]  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 7:23:14pm
519 albusteve  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 7:23:46pm

re: #507 bellamags

yeah. it does. Barrett Jackson just amazes me.

I'll try to find him...I dig old cars...especially muscle cars and street rods

520 bellamags  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 7:23:59pm

I wish they would get off the Michael Phelps pot thing.

521 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 7:24:23pm

re: #518 traderjoe9

I'm not going to last long here for pointing out the obvious that Muslims do reproduce at an incredibly alarming rate?

I'm saying that with the number of Muslims in the United States as of now, there shouldn't be any concern for them gradually becoming a large part of the population...not that the ones already here don't post any immediate dangers.

Now, finish answering my question in #514...

522 Scion9  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 7:24:35pm

I don't think Fascism is an impossibility in America, today entirely but it does seem extremely unlikely. The Left/Right divide in regards to the rise of Fascism in Europe is sort of irrelevant in discussing the spectrum of American politics. The European right was nothing like today's American right.

Fascism could be an American right-wing phenomena. Although it of course wouldn't be called Fascism. I however find the prospect unlikely being that the 'right' would have to call for reforms to curtail political freedoms in order to expand personal freedoms (ie curtailing democracy for a more streamlined, hierarchical, unified command over the government). While I don't think a large segment of the conservative/libertarian base would balk at such reform, it doesn't seem like it would be a winner among a vast majority of the electorate. Less democracy is hardly a battlecry I see winning many votes.

523 The Shadow Do  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 7:24:41pm

re: #471 Killgore Trout

Obama will surely disappoint but the Republicans need to run a viable candidate. Now that looks like Palin, Jindal and Possibly Huckabee. All 3 a destined to lose.

Mr. Trout is a reality check. Y'all need to pay attention to him.

/I do not see even one potential serious contender presently.

524 [deleted]  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 7:24:45pm
525 nanook  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 7:24:53pm

re: #473 Sharmuta

yeah, I'm agitating my tv provider to get fox biz channel, then I can get all the Neil C I want but dodge the others.

526 Lively  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 7:25:00pm

re: #454 big steve

just got my W2's and several portfolio year end earnings...time to do the taxes...how many innocent mistakes am I allowed on my return?

It depends on high of a cabinet post you need from Obama.

WSJ said they bet Wesley Snipes will be nominated for something.

527 carefulnow  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 7:25:06pm

re: #511 lifeofthemind

Loofahed himself.

528 albusteve  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 7:25:08pm

re: #515 FrogMarch

You make a point. But I think Fox News needs to ditch Pat Buchanan as a guest.

just ditch network TV and Bill will disappear...it's easy

529 big steve  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 7:25:15pm

re: #520 bellamags

I wish they would get off the Michael Phelps pot thing.

me too...and did you hear, Phelps is practicing for a different Olympic sport...high diving!

530 NYCHardhat  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 7:25:20pm

bella,

#92
funny if you havent seen it

531 caligal  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 7:25:26pm

re: #454 big steve

harry reid would say you to had a "hiccup," should you forget something.

532 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 7:25:34pm

re: #515 FrogMarch

You make a point. But I think Fox News needs to ditch Pat Buchanan as a guest.

No reputable news organization should ever have Pat Buchanan on. He's a vile bigot and he lowers the level of any program he is on.

533 OldLineTexan  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 7:25:50pm

re: #501 Occasional Reader

This means you're entitled to 4 more.

As that knight in the Indiana Jones movie said: Choose wisely.

She may be Muslim, but I ain't crazy.

534 mich-again  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 7:26:03pm

re: #518 traderjoe9

I'm not going to last long here for pointing out the obvious that Muslims do reproduce at an incredibly alarming rate?

Its the whole Fj*man shtick.

535 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 7:26:10pm

re: #518 traderjoe9

I'm not going to last long here for pointing out the obvious that Muslims do reproduce at an incredibly alarming rate?

I'm saying that with the number of Muslims in the United States as of now, there shouldn't be any concern for them gradually becoming a large part of the population...not that the ones already here don't post any immediate dangers.

No, you're not going to last long here because you are teetering on sounding like a bigot. Now, you wouldn't be a bigot, would you?

You wouldn't want to stop any Muslim woman from having as many children as they want, right.

Careful...

536 bellamags  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 7:26:12pm

re: #530 NYCHardhat

bella,

#92
funny if you havent seen it

i will check it out. bbiaw

537 jaunte  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 7:26:16pm

re: #520 bellamags

I wish they would get off the Michael Phelps pot thing.

It's a good distraction from the crimes of the political class.

538 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 7:26:25pm

re: #488 OldLineTexan

That's my wife's score.

I had no idea she was Muslim!

Yeah, you can find out all kinds of shocking truths. Why, not that long ago I found out that I was a gay man because I like to eat p*ssy.

539 nanook  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 7:26:27pm

re: #523 The Shadow Do

Mr. Trout is a reality check. Y'all need to pay attention to him.

/I do not see even one potential serious contender presently.

Pawlenty? Sanford?

540 OldLineTexan  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 7:26:44pm

re: #520 bellamags

I wish they would get off the Michael Phelps pot thing.

You want them to shit?

/get off the pot ... get it? ... is joke

541 Lively  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 7:26:56pm

re: #520 bellamags

I wish they would get off the Michael Phelps pot thing.

Is he nominated for Drug Czar?

/maybe Marion Barry

542 albusteve  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 7:27:29pm

re: #532 Dark_Falcon

No reputable news organization should ever have Pat Buchanan on. He's a vile bigot and he lowers the level of any program he is on.

meanwhile that gold medal swimmer smoked a joint!...you're getting raped watching or supporting the MSM

543 Sosigado  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 7:27:29pm

Well, back to Call of Duty: World At War.

I'm fighting with the Russian troops on the march to Berlin, and they
keep screaming at me about my misplaced grenade throws.

544 OldLineTexan  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 7:27:36pm

re: #538 Slumbering Behemoth

Yeah, you can find out all kinds of shocking truths. Why, not that long ago I found out that I was a gay man because I like to eat p*ssy.

I'm not gay.

I'm a lesbian, trapped in a man's body.

545 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 7:27:38pm

re: #524 traderjoe9

I already said it, apparently you didn't listen.

We CANT round them up. But we CAN be more strict on immigration.

Got it?

Ask more questions...I'll be back soon after my dinner. I know you're eagerly anticipating my return.

No, you didn't answer. Yes, I will be around when you come back. And you will be on my unanswered question list.

546 Occasional Reader  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 7:28:06pm

re: #541 Lively

Is he nominated for Drug Czar?

/maybe Marion Barry

James Taranto is gonna sue your ass. (See my post upthread.)

547 mich-again  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 7:28:19pm

re: #520 bellamags

I wish they would get off the Michael Phelps pot thing.

He should tell everyone it was a hookah he got from a Muslim friend. And they were smoking fruit flavored tobacco.

548 Sharmuta  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 7:28:31pm

re: #520 bellamags

I wish they would get off the Michael Phelps pot thing.

That's another beef I have with fox as well as the entire msm. Quit covering BS stories- there are really issues in this world and Mr. Phelps is pretty low on my radar. And Fox covering the Jessica Simpson weight "controversy" smacks of misogyny. Who cares?

549 Cato the Elder  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 7:28:39pm

Well, good night all. Must go put the swollen leg up on its pillows and cuddle with the dog. And read G.K. Chesterton till I fall asleep.

550 Lively  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 7:29:12pm

re: #546 Occasional Reader

James Taranto is gonna sue your ass. (See my post upthread.)

Hey, Biden does it.

551 bellamags  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 7:29:39pm

re: #530 NYCHardhat

bella,

#92
funny if you havent seen it

holy crap. i have never seen that. i can't believe he has a TEMPER like that. JEEZ. He just lost maybe two of the last three respect points I had for him.

552 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 7:29:49pm

re: #544 OldLineTexan

I'm not gay.

I'm a lesbian, trapped in a man's body.

How many colors can you name?

Get to more than, oh, six... you are strictly gay.

553 lifeofthemind  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 7:29:54pm

re: #433 traderjoe9

Nope. There's hardly enough Muslims currently in the United States for any concern. Immigration for them should still be strict however...and we should also take into account that while they reproduce like bunnies, the fertility rate of white females is much below where it should be - 1.7.

Are you accusing your fellow lizards of letting down the side? I can feel confident that I speak for lizards everywhere in assuring you that we are ready willing and able to help out in that department as needed. If any young ladies have any questions about this the appointments desk should be able to arrange matters further.

In England during the Good Old Days a Gentleman would respond to an inquiry questioning his productivity on this issue by stating "Just ask your wife."

554 big steve  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 7:29:55pm

re: #539 nanook

Pawlenty? Sanford?

I think the dark horse might be Kay Bailey Hutchinson. She will likely win the Texas governorship this fall. One drawback is that she would be 72 in 4 years however.

555 bellamags  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 7:30:02pm

re: #540 OldLineTexan

You want them to shit?

/get off the pot ... get it? ... is joke

Ha ha ha ha.

556 Occasional Reader  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 7:30:02pm

re: #538 Slumbering Behemoth

Yeah, you can find out all kinds of shocking truths. Why, not that long ago I found out that I was a gay man because I like to eat p*ssy.

No, that means you're straight. I have it on fairly good authority that gay men find that particular activity absolutely, conceptually horrifying.

557 [deleted]  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 7:30:05pm
558 Jim in Virginia  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 7:30:14pm

re: #523 The Shadow Do

Mr. Trout is a reality check. Y'all need to pay attention to him.

/I do not see even one potential serious contender presently.

A lot can happen in four years. No one would have picked Bill Clinton as the next President in 1988.

559 albusteve  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 7:30:14pm

re: #548 Sharmuta

That's another beef I have with fox as well as the entire msm. Quit covering BS stories- there are really issues in this world and Mr. Phelps is pretty low on my radar. And Fox covering the Jessica Simpson weight "controversy" smacks of misogyny. Who cares?

whoever watches FOX...by proxy..all this BS about who said what and when did they say it is laughable

560 Killgore Trout  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 7:30:17pm

re: #523 The Shadow Do

Thanks. I'm frequently wrong and I'm really tough on Republicans these days. Anything can happen in four years but the Republicans have serious ideological problems. I think the influx of neocons was a good thing but the party has failed to adapt its policies to the changing world. What gets conservatives exited these days is simple platitudes delivered in a rural accent. Wake me up when they start discussing ideas again. I'm almost ready to call it off with Republicans.

561 bellamags  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 7:30:48pm

re: #548 Sharmuta

That's another beef I have with fox as well as the entire msm. Quit covering BS stories- there are really issues in this world and Mr. Phelps is pretty low on my radar. And Fox covering the Jessica Simpson weight "controversy" smacks of misogyny. Who cares?

no doubt.

562 JacksonTn  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 7:31:03pm

Who else has a good song? I just listened to albusteve ... John Hiatt ...

563 Sharmuta  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 7:31:16pm

Celebrity news belongs on celebrity news tabloid shows. When the msm covers BS stories of celebrities, I always wonder what more important issue is going on they don't want to bother telling me about.

564 avanti  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 7:31:46pm

re: #548 Sharmuta

That's another beef I have with fox as well as the entire msm. Quit covering BS stories- there are really issues in this world and Mr. Phelps is pretty low on my radar. And Fox covering the Jessica Simpson weight "controversy" smacks of misogyny. Who cares?

Fox gets it's rating by being entertaining, hot check,lots of sleazily stories. Ever notice how they talk about the controversial about a sexy ad by running it over and over ?

565 rwmofo  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 7:31:51pm

re: #520 bellamags

I wish they would get off the Michael Phelps pot thing.

Looks like some of the products he was going to sponsor will be pushed by a different swimmer. Goodbye $50M - give or take a few mil.

566 NYCHardhat  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 7:32:05pm

Time to go. goodnight all.

bella,

;)

567 Occasional Reader  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 7:32:08pm

re: #539 nanook

Pawlenty? Sanford?

I think Sanford would be an excellent choice. He'd get rid of all the "dummies" in Washington.

(You did mean Fred Sanford, right?)

568 Basho  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 7:32:10pm

re: #560 Killgore Trout

I'm almost ready to call it off with Republicans.

You're more patient than me... I'm already there.

569 bellamags  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 7:32:48pm

re: #566 NYCHardhat

Time to go. goodnight all.

bella,

;)

goodnight

570 mich-again  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 7:32:50pm

re: #524 traderjoe9

We CANT round them up. But we CAN be more strict on immigration.

The key word in that sentence wasn't either of the ones you CAPPED. It was "them". As in, all Muslims = them.

571 albusteve  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 7:32:51pm

re: #560 Killgore Trout

Thanks. I'm frequently wrong and I'm really tough on Republicans these days. Anything can happen in four years but the Republicans have serious ideological problems. I think the influx of neocons was a good thing but the party has failed to adapt its policies to the changing world. What gets conservatives exited these days is simple platitudes delivered in a rural accent. Wake me up when they start discussing ideas again. I'm almost ready to call it off with Republicans.

it's not a political party it's a lifestyle...you can call off the party but then what have you?...hang in there amigo

572 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 7:33:08pm

re: #552 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

How many colors can you name?

Get to more than, oh, six... you are strictly gay.

Red, blue, green, yellow, black, white, purple, orange, gold, silver, teal, violet...

573 HoosierHoops  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 7:33:18pm

re: #520 bellamags

I wish they would get off the Michael Phelps pot thing.

Dear Bellamags
I regret that as the most famous Athlete in the world that people took my picture on Campus smoking pot.,Who knew they had cell phone camera's?
This I deeply regret...
For those millions of dollars that just went up into smoke.. I regret that deeply also..
For all my fans worldwide...If anyone was offended..I deeply regret it..
Please refer anything else i should regret to my agent..and anything I might really really regret..to my lawyer.

574 bellamags  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 7:33:41pm

re: #565 rwmofo

Looks like some of the products he was going to sponsor will be pushed by a different swimmer. Goodbye $50M - give or take a few mil.

ridiculous, however, i bet more scrutiny for them if they hadn't dropped him. totally sad and stupid.

575 Killgore Trout  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 7:33:41pm

re: #568 Basho

I'm still holding out hope. Casting a ballot for Obama in 4 years is going to be a tough decision.

576 OldLineTexan  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 7:34:06pm

re: #512 Jim in Virginia

Five kids?
What would Paul Ehrlich say?
Are they all going to attend William Rice's Marsh?

Possibilities exist in Numbers 3-5.

Numbers 1 and 2 are right out due to marriage and grades, respectively.

Number 3 was top student in the district in 4th and 8th grade and at 16 has the drive and study habits. Also the math skills.

Number 4 is eleven and reads at 12th grade + level, and also a straight-A student.

Number 5 is being trained as a scientist as we speak. The boy thinks a good 15 degrees off normal; I am starting to think Rice may NEED him.

577 FrogMarch  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 7:34:15pm

re: #528 albusteve

just ditch network TV and Bill will disappear...it's easy


You mean - get rid of Fox news? I am glad Fox new exists - it's just so very mediocre. Without it, we'd only have DNC news outlets.

I have to force myself to watch TV. I pretty much hate it. I loathe American Idol, I hate Lost, I detest ER, I hate Scrubs, I hate The office, I hate Tina Fey, and I detest SNL (Air America for late night TV) . I do like the History Channel (sometimes) The food network and PBS's Masterpiece Theater on Sunday nights. oh - and some TBS and old episodes of Seinfeld. But even that's getting old. ah - that felt good.

578 Occasional Reader  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 7:34:38pm

re: #572 Dark_Falcon

Red, blue, green, yellow, black, white, purple, orange, gold, silver, teal, violet...

Teal? ?! Teal?!

Dude. Why not just link to a Youtube of Judy Garland singing?

/

579 [deleted]  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 7:34:47pm
580 albusteve  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 7:34:49pm

re: #562 JacksonTn

Who else has a good song? I just listened to albusteve ... John Hiatt ...

nobody is interested...I posted Hiatt for Sharmuta but she was busy elsewhere...

581 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 7:34:51pm

re: #563 Sharmuta

Celebrity news belongs on celebrity news tabloid shows. When the msm covers BS stories of celebrities, I always wonder what more important issue is going on they don't want to bother telling me about.

Murdock = The Sun = Page 3 girls = The NY Post = Fox.

Any questions?

582 Killgore Trout  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 7:35:06pm

re: #562 JacksonTn

A Country Boy Can Survive

583 bellamags  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 7:35:14pm

re: #573 HoosierHoops

Dear Bellamags
I regret that as the most famous Athlete in the world that people took my picture on Campus smoking pot.,Who knew they had cell phone camera's?
This I deeply regret...
For those millions of dollars that just went up into smoke.. I regret that deeply also..
For all my fans worldwide...If anyone was offended..I deeply regret it..
Please refer anything else i should regret to my agent..and anything I might really really regret..to my lawyer.

ha

584 Basho  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 7:35:16pm

re: #563 Sharmuta

Celebrity news belongs on celebrity news tabloid shows. When the msm covers BS stories of celebrities, I always wonder what more important issue is going on they don't want to bother telling me about.

The truth will appall you:
[Link: skepdic.com...]

585 OldLineTexan  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 7:35:42pm

re: #552 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

How many colors can you name?

Get to more than, oh, six... you are strictly gay.

I didn't know aubergine, so I'm OK.

586 The Shadow Do  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 7:35:57pm

re: #539 nanook

Pawlenty? Sanford?

No and no.

587 lifeofthemind  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 7:36:09pm

re: #552 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

How many colors can you name?

Get to more than, oh, six... you are strictly gay.

Nah, learned them in 6th grade science. ROYGBIV, everything else is advertising.
Learned 3 primaries and 3 secondaries in 2nd grade.

588 albusteve  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 7:36:37pm

re: #577 FrogMarch

You mean - get rid of Fox news? I am glad Fox new exists - it's just so very mediocre. Without it, we'd only have DNC news outlets.

I have to force myself to watch TV. I pretty much hate it. I loathe American Idol, I hate Lost, I detest ER, I hate Scrubs, I hate The office, I hate Tina Fey, and I detest SNL (Air America for late night TV) . I do like the History Channel (sometimes) The food network and PBS's Masterpiece Theater on Sunday nights. oh - and some TBS and old episodes of Seinfeld. But even that's getting old. ah - that felt good.

my brotha...have a Red Stripe

589 JacksonTn  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 7:36:56pm

re: #582 Killgore Trout

A Country Boy Can Survive

[Video]

Killgore ...you know I have heard that a million times ...you just making fun of me ...STOP IT! ...I wanted a new song ...

590 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 7:36:58pm

re: #575 Killgore Trout

I'm still holding out hope. Casting a ballot for Obama in 4 years is going to be a tough decision.

In four years you may not have to. You may have a new socialist candidate to run against him.

591 mich-again  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 7:37:06pm

re: #573 HoosierHoops

Yes the classic 6 word non-apology apology. I am sorry I got caught.

592 Occasional Reader  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 7:37:36pm

re: #562 JacksonTn

Who else has a good song? I just listened to albusteve ... John Hiatt ...

Carlos Vives, "La Gota Fria"

593 JacksonTn  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 7:37:37pm

re: #580 albusteve

nobody is interested...I posted Hiatt for Sharmuta but she was busy elsewhere...

I know ...well I listened to it ...

594 nanook  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 7:37:40pm

re: #586 The Shadow Do

No and no.

So. Who then?

595 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 7:37:43pm

re: #578 Occasional Reader

Teal? ?! Teal?!

Dude. Why not just link to a Youtube of Judy Garland singing?

/

Because I'm not gay. A co-worker at a previous job was though, and his fashion sense forced me to learn about colors and which ones go together. It was either learn or be mocked. I chose to learn.

596 slokat  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 7:37:45pm

Lady Liberty, famous painting by a Frenchman & NSFW

597 [deleted]  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 7:37:47pm
598 FrogMarch  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 7:38:03pm

re: #588 albusteve

my brotha...have a Red Stripe

Sistah. do I seem tense?

599 lifeofthemind  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 7:38:14pm

re: #585 OldLineTexan

I didn't know aubergine, so I'm OK.

Think I had that in my soup last month.

600 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 7:38:15pm

re: #548 Sharmuta

That's another beef I have with fox as well as the entire msm. Quit covering BS stories- there are really issues in this world and Mr. Phelps is pretty low on my radar. And Fox covering the Jessica Simpson weight "controversy" smacks of misogyny. Who cares?

Two things:

On the Phelps bong "scandal": Lend me a turd, and I might be able to give a shit.

On the Simpson weight "controversy": She's still hawt enough for The Behemoth. In fact, I'd be pretty stoked to date a gal that hawt.

601 Jim in Virginia  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 7:38:31pm

re: #576 OldLineTexan

Possibilities exist in Numbers 3-5.

Numbers 1 and 2 are right out due to marriage and grades, respectively.

Number 3 was top student in the district in 4th and 8th grade and at 16 has the drive and study habits. Also the math skills.

Number 4 is eleven and reads at 12th grade + level, and also a straight-A student.

Number 5 is being trained as a scientist as we speak. The boy thinks a good 15 degrees off normal; I am starting to think Rice may NEED him.


Trouble is, Rice is too close to home. Maybe Caltech for #5? Or send him up here to be a Hokie.
G'nght all.

602 bellamags  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 7:38:33pm

i'm outta here too. goodnight lizards. sweet dreams

603 Sharmuta  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 7:38:52pm

re: #584 Basho

The truth will appall you:
[Link: skepdic.com...]

I'm sure it won't surprise me. When Anna Nicole died, there were cars burning in France, but we got minute by minute details of every movement of that corpse.

Disgusting.

604 OldLineTexan  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 7:38:58pm

re: #570 mich-again

The key word in that sentence wasn't either of the ones you CAPPED. It was "them". As in, all Muslims = them.

It's a pronoun. And?

605 albusteve  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 7:39:03pm

re: #593 JacksonTn

I know ...well I listened to it ...

beautiful song...we lose our expectations but move ahead anyway...

606 Occasional Reader  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 7:39:10pm
607 LGoPs  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 7:39:30pm

re: #564 avanti

Fox gets it's rating by being entertaining, hot check,lots of sleazily stories. Ever notice how they talk about the controversial about a sexy ad by running it over and over ?

What is this mania about Fox being entertaining? I hear the same thing about talk radio. It's become a fad to refer to them as entertainment as if they had no other value. I think that's just being dismissive of them.
Does Fox do everything perfectly...no. Do they give me a better source than CBS, NBC, ABC, CNN, MSNBC, PBS. Fuck yes.
And what's the problem with good looking babes. I don't see any of the other networks falling all over themselves giving Helen Thomas an anchor seat.

608 nanook  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 7:39:36pm

re: #603 Sharmuta

I'm sure it won't surprise me. When Anna Nicole died, there were cars burning in France, but we got minute by minute details of every movement of that corpse.

Disgusting.

Wait... they burned cars in honor of Anna Nicole?

609 FrogMarch  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 7:40:40pm

re: #603 Sharmuta

I'm sure it won't surprise me. When Anna Nicole died, there were cars burning in France, but we got minute by minute details of every movement of that corpse.

Disgusting.

I like Gretta V. but all she does now is sensationalism. What a waste. Whatever sells, I guess. Supply and demand.

610 screaming_eagle  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 7:40:41pm

re: #565 rwmofo

Looks like some of the products he was going to sponsor will be pushed by a different swimmer. Goodbye $50M - give or take a few mil.

50 million dollar joint? WoW. Must be some really good shit.

611 Dave the.....  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 7:41:06pm

From Powerline:

[Link: www.powerlineblog.com...]

Hamas Rallies at Minnesota State Capitol
Share Post PrintFebruary 2, 2009 Posted by John at 6:38 PM
On January 5, representatives of Hamas and Fatah rallied on the steps of the Minnesota state capitol in St. Paul. Their purpose was to condemn Israel, and an Israeli flag was burned. Mostly, though, the rally turned into a confrontation between the terrorist organization, Hamas, and the formerly terrorist organization--to give it the benefit of the doubt--Fatah. Congressman Keith Ellison attended, apparently at the invitation of the Fatah faction, but was shouted down by Hamas supporters who don't consider him radical enough. This video, which was made by Minnesotans Against Terrorism, really has to be seen to be believed. Note that you can select a more high quality option:


How did Minnesota get to the point where its state capitol can become an outpost of a terrorist organization from the Middle East? Until a few years ago, I wouldn't have believed it possible

612 screaming_eagle  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 7:41:31pm

re: #603 Sharmuta

I'm sure it won't surprise me. When Anna Nicole died, there were cars burning in France, but we got minute by minute details of every movement of that corpse.

Disgusting.


There are cars burning in France every week.

613 rwmofo  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 7:41:38pm

re: #594 nanook

So. Who then?

I think we'll have to go younger than Obama. This is inside baseball. Probably not a good idea to look at the 2nd string from the last election and the currently well-known guys are in the late 50s, 60s or older. We need a 35 year-old Reagan - or something.

614 big steve  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 7:42:03pm

with that wife of his, and Obama is calling some other woman fat? Now that is irony.

615 alexknyc  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 7:42:25pm

re: #277 Walter L. Newton

OT -

Do French cut green beans have to be cut in France?

No, they just have to surrender to the German potato salad.

616 Killgore Trout  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 7:42:26pm

re: #589 JacksonTn

...I wanted a new song ...


Punjabi By Nature

Better?

617 nanook  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 7:42:31pm

re: #565 rwmofo

Looks like some of the products he was going to sponsor will be pushed by a different swimmer. Goodbye $50M - give or take a few mil.

I wish they'd get Eric Shanteau to do some promos. He's the swimmer who has cancer but competed before starting his treatment. I knew him years ago as a Boy Scout. Helluva kid.

618 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 7:42:38pm

re: #556 Occasional Reader

No, that means you're straight. I have it on fairly good authority that gay men find that particular activity absolutely, conceptually horrifying.

Heh. It was from a post someone made here. Poorly thought out and poorly worded, it implied that that was the sort of thing gay people do. I might have been offended if it weren't so damned unintentionally funny.

619 pink freud  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 7:43:01pm

re: #607 LGoPs

Ask and ye shall receive.

620 Occasional Reader  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 7:43:10pm

re: #611 Dave the...

From Powerline:

[Link: www.powerlineblog.com...]

Wow.

What the hell is happening?

621 albusteve  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 7:43:33pm

re: #598 FrogMarch

Sistah. do I seem tense?

all this time I didnt know...I'm stupid and not paying attention I guess...sometimes you seem tense, dont we all...I dont get into the gender stuff too much and all this time I had no clue...nemaste

622 JacksonTn  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 7:43:51pm

re: #616 Killgore Trout

Punjabi By Nature

[Video]Better?

Killgore ...um ...I think you need to get yourself an Indian girl ...and yes, better ...

623 Scion9  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 7:44:00pm

re: #609 FrogMarch

The only other news outlets are lefty; some extremely so. Fox has what is damn close to a monopoly on anything that is remotely close to 'right-wing' commentary.

I very rarely watch it as it is, but if I was going to get my TV news as a right-leaning independent or a Republican I sure as hell wouldn't be tuning into MSNBC or CNN. The only other option is tuning out, which from the comments that sounds like what a lot of people have done.

624 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 7:44:01pm

re: #611 Dave the...

From Powerline:

[Link: www.powerlineblog.com...]

How did Minnesota get to the point where its state capitol can become an outpost of a terrorist organization from the Middle East? Until a few years ago, I wouldn't have believed it possible

I want to know how America has become a place where you can see sign like "Jews are Terrorists" and other signs indicating that Jews should be eliminated?

625 The Shadow Do  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 7:44:05pm

re: #560 Killgore Trout

Thanks. I'm frequently wrong and I'm really tough on Republicans these days. Anything can happen in four years but the Republicans have serious ideological problems. I think the influx of neocons was a good thing but the party has failed to adapt its policies to the changing world. What gets conservatives exited these days is simple platitudes delivered in a rural accent. Wake me up when they start discussing ideas again. I'm almost ready to call it off with Republicans.

Yup, just nowhere else viable to go. I too would relish some substance. I think a lot of us are ready to push away from the table and just take what comes. Damn shame living in a country the espouses the power of free thinking - at one time it did, anyway.

626 newsjunkie_ky  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 7:44:17pm

re: #560 Killgore Trout

Thanks. I'm frequently wrong and I'm really tough on Republicans these days. Anything can happen in four years but the Republicans have serious ideological problems. I think the influx of neocons was a good thing but the party has failed to adapt its policies to the changing world. What gets conservatives exited these days is simple platitudes delivered in a rural accent. Wake me up when they start discussing ideas again. I'm almost ready to call it off with Republicans.


Don't let the door hit you in the a$$ on your way out.

627 LGoPs  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 7:44:19pm

re: #619 pink freud

Ask and ye shall receive.

You horrible, horrible person...
ROFLMAO...
:)

628 Sharmuta  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 7:44:42pm

re: #612 screaming_eagle

There are cars burning in France every week.

We better make sure we put Michael Phelps front and center then.

629 Alberta Oil Peon  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 7:45:01pm

I read the NYT editorial linked above. I didn't view the video, and have no interest in O'Reilly at all, but I do note that the NYT editorial is dishonest, (shocka!) in that it makes the claim that right-wing Republicans are against immigration. Full stop. No descriptor of any sort applied to the word "immigration", just "immigration" in the absolute. There is the falsehood.

From what I've read here, and elsewhere, the number-one immigration bete noire for Republicans and people on the right in general is illegal immigration. Running a distant second might be excessive immigration of ethnic or cultural groups who have a track record of bringing undesirable cultural baggage with them. Honor killings or sudden jihad syndrome, anyone?

But the NYT simply conflates legitimate concerns about illegal and/or ill-considered immigration into the false position that Republicans (and by extension, the Right in general) are opposed to all immigration.

630 Dustyvet  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 7:45:03pm

re: #611 Dave the...

From Powerline:

[Link: www.powerlineblog.com...]

Moderate and Extremist Palestinian Supporters Square Off in Minnesota, Hamas collides with Fatah

631 Occasional Reader  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 7:45:10pm

re: #589 JacksonTn

Killgore ...you know I have heard that a million times ...you just making fun of me ...STOP IT! ...I wanted a new song ...

The Cave Singers, "Dancing On Our Graves"

632 rawmuse  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 7:45:23pm

Hey, I just figured it all out, it is OK to stick it to The Man now.

633 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 7:45:31pm

re: #302 ploome hineni

..didn't every immigrant group that arrived en mass, get dumped on

the Irish, Italian, Russian ?

these people were rediculed and suffered discrimination

and no one called it racist

seems too easy because now, the immigrant groups are physically different to blame their appearance

while it is always about culture, values, habits and class

No one called it racist, because no one cared that it was racist. It was still, excuse me, racist.

And O'Reilly has some nerve thinking he's part of the white Christian anything, at all, he's a mick like me. The likes of the white male Christian power structure didn't think we were white or Christian when we got here, and they can dang well go on doing without us...

634 nanook  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 7:45:44pm

re: #616 Killgore Trout

I loooves me some Bollywood! Good video!

635 albusteve  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 7:45:45pm

re: #626 newsjunkie_ky

Don't let the door hit you in the a$$ on your way out.

oh please...how shallow

636 FrogMarch  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 7:45:54pm

re: #621 albusteve

all this time I didnt know...I'm stupid and not paying attention I guess...sometimes you seem tense, dont we all...I dont get into the gender stuff too much and all this time I had no clue...nemaste

I'm mistaken for a guy all of the time. It's no big deal. I have a guys name "FrogMarch", and I often talk un-ladylike. No worries.
But yes - I am a female. and I am wound pretty tight. but not as tight as Walter. ;-)

637 big steve  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 7:46:01pm

re: #632 rawmuse

Hey, I just figured it all out, it is OK to stick it to The Man now.

not so fast...the man is now black men.

638 lifeofthemind  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 7:46:20pm

re: #614 big steve

with that wife of his, and Obama is calling some other woman fat? Now that is irony.

Michelle thinks she is more sophisticated than you selfish rubes. She is certainly more worldly. Soon to be larger at the equator than the poles. Attractive? She effects the tides of history. But we should live long enough to see her touch a bottle of Tide.

639 esch  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 7:46:27pm

re: #632 rawmuse

Hey, I just figured it all out, it is OK to stick it to The Man now.

Hey, Barney's been doing that for years.

640 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 7:47:11pm

re: #616 Killgore Trout

Ok, Maisey the Parrot loves the music.

641 [deleted]  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 7:47:18pm
642 big steve  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 7:47:19pm

re: #636 FrogMarch

I'm mistaken for a guy all of the time. It's no big deal. I have a guys name "FrogMarch", and I often talk un-ladylike. No worries.
But yes - I am a female. and I am wound pretty tight. but not as tight as Walter. ;-)

Walter's problem is that he is eating too many of those french cut beans tonight.

643 mich-again  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 7:47:33pm

re: #560 Killgore Trout

I think the influx of neocons was a good thing but the party has failed to adapt its policies to the changing world.

Don't underestimate the long term damage the last election cycle did to the GOP. We basically had two guys out there who made any noise (other than the joker playing the blues scale for beginners on his bass). John McCain and Ron Paul. It was like late at a party when everyone all of a sudden realizes no one is here anymore so they pack up and leave.

644 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 7:47:38pm

re: #624 Walter L. Newton

I want to know how America has become a place where you can see sign like "Jews are Terrorists" and other signs indicating that Jews should be eliminated?

40+ years of moonbattery in the universities and large-scale Islamic immigration with few efforts at assimilation. I'm not blaming Muslims immigrants as a whole, but many of them have been subjected to intense and virulent anti-Jew propaganda, and not enough has been done to counter that.

645 The Shadow Do  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 7:47:50pm

re: #594 nanook

So. Who then?

My question, exactly

646 albusteve  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 7:48:06pm

re: #636 FrogMarch

I'm mistaken for a guy all of the time. It's no big deal. I have a guys name "FrogMarch", and I often talk un-ladylike. No worries.
But yes - I am a female. and I am wound pretty tight. but not as tight as Walter. ;-)

few are...you'll get no defferential from me...I'm equally pissy with eveyone!

647 screaming_eagle  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 7:48:59pm

re: #628 Sharmuta

There are cars burning every week in France. If it is anything under 50 they don't even consider it a riot. Hell the BBC makes fun of then when they only burn 2-3 dozen cars. I agree with you about non-sense celebs but do you really car about protests in France?

648 Dustyvet  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 7:49:14pm

re: #640 Walter L. Newton

Ok, Maisey the Parrot loves the music.

Maisey's a very pretty bird

Maisey: What?

649 [deleted]  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 7:49:29pm
650 FrogMarch  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 7:49:32pm

re: #623 Scion9

...The only other option is tuning out, which from the comments that sounds like what a lot of people have done.

Yep. I log on in the AM and read all sorts of fascinating and educational stuff on line. (as we all do here at LGF) We are not going to become enlightened with Chris Matthews or with one of Matt Lauer's silly interviews.

Lou Dobbs is a populist, but he's mildly tolerable at times.

651 RightKlik  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 7:50:16pm

BO'R doesn't think with his head.

652 maddogg  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 7:50:18pm

Bill'Oreilly was using a leftist term for the status quo IMHO. There are some here so afraid of the left labeling them racist (which they're going to do anyway) we have to go on witch hunts to find excuses to label well known conservatives racist, to show how not racist we are? Count me out. And Pat Buchanan is not wrong on every issue, just most of them.

653 FrogMarch  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 7:50:29pm

re: #646 albusteve

few are...you'll get no defferential from me...I'm equally pissy with eveyone!

Cool. Me too!

654 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 7:51:02pm

re: #641 traderjoe9

Yes, I said we "cant round THEM up". Them, as in Muslims. We cant round the Muslims up and ship them out of the country. Someone asked me if I suggested we (the US) should round up and ship all the Muslims out of the U.S, and I said, no we should not ship THEM out.

re: #535 Walter L. Newton

And I said...be more strict on immigration. You asked me what we should do about the # of Muslims the U.S, and I said "we can't ship them out, that's unrealistic. The best thing we can do is be much more strict on immigration." I don't know how much more clearer I can get.

I asked you what to do about the birth rate of Muslim women. My comment had NOTHING in it about immigration.

You have Muslim woman here having 5 children, Those children will have, let's say, 5 each (the females) and so on.

Not, I don't know how much clearer I can be. What would you do about the birth rate of AMERICAN MUSLIMS, the ones that live here, born here?

655 albusteve  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 7:51:06pm

re: #642 big steve

Walter's problem is that he is eating too many of those french cut beans tonight.

does he get windy?

656 Killgore Trout  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 7:51:21pm

re: #622 JacksonTn

Killgore ...um ...I think you need to get yourself an Indian girl ...and yes, better ...

Punjabi Girl

657 pink freud  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 7:52:14pm

re: #627 LGoPs

You horrible, horrible person...
ROFLMAO...
:)

I apologize.

658 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 7:52:19pm

re: #636 FrogMarch

I'm mistaken for a guy all of the time. It's no big deal. I have a guys name "FrogMarch", and I often talk un-ladylike. No worries. But yes - I am a female. and I am wound pretty tight. but not as tight as Walter. ;-)

Ya got that beautiful!

659 albusteve  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 7:53:10pm

re: #648 Dustyvet

Maisey's a very pretty bird

Maisey: What?

wawt!
wawt!

660 albusteve  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 7:54:09pm

re: #653 FrogMarch

Cool. Me too!

and polite as well...I forgot that part

661 winston06  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 7:54:16pm

re: #75 Killgore Trout

could be a mistake... I am not O's big fan but he is not the right's keith olbermann either.

662 FrogMarch  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 7:55:00pm

re: #658 Walter L. Newton

Ya got that beautiful!

:-) It's a Colorado thing.

663 Aye Pod  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 7:55:09pm

re: #618 Slumbering Behemoth

This came up in 'The Sopranos. Uncle Junior's date let it slip to her friends that he liked going south; this resulted in him losing respect among his mafia peers: "If he'll suck that he'll suck anything". No doubt he could have redeemed his reputation by beating up some guy and screwing him up the arse, such is the logic in operation in that sort of culture.

664 newsjunkie_ky  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 7:55:10pm

re: #635 albusteve

oh please...how shallow

oh please...how droll.
/

665 FrogMarch  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 7:55:19pm

new thread.

666 LEGION  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 7:55:41pm

re: #265 OldLineTexan

Lynne Cheney came out with a book called "A is for Abigail" - about Abigail Adams. And don't forget the HBO series on John Adams- featuring how his wife was a HUGE supporting figure to the revolution. It's all out there if you pay attention, if you ignore the left wing MSM- and watch FOX!

667 LGoPs  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 7:55:54pm

re: #629 Alberta Oil Peon

I read the NYT editorial linked above. I didn't view the video, and have no interest in O'Reilly at all, but I do note that the NYT editorial is dishonest, (shocka!) in that it makes the claim that right-wing Republicans are against immigration. Full stop. No descriptor of any sort applied to the word "immigration", just "immigration" in the absolute. There is the falsehood.

From what I've read here, and elsewhere, the number-one immigration bete noire for Republicans and people on the right in general is illegal immigration. Running a distant second might be excessive immigration of ethnic or cultural groups who have a track record of bringing undesirable cultural baggage with them. Honor killings or sudden jihad syndrome, anyone?

But the NYT simply conflates legitimate concerns about illegal and/or ill-considered immigration into the false position that Republicans (and by extension, the Right in general) are opposed to all immigration.

Dead on and one of the many reasons I despise the NYT and the MFM in general so much. I'm a goddammed immigrant - came here as an infant because my mother and father fought the fucking communists in Europe and had to flee. And even then, they did it the right way. They went into a refugee camp because America's quota's had closed. Went to France and were finally sponsored by an American family in Oklahoma - God Bless them. My dad worked menial jobs while he learned the language and then toook his family to Chicago. I paid part of our debt back by serving in the infantry for 12 years. And we never once asked the government to have me taught in my native language or to provide voting booklets in our native language. We were proud to become Americans and are so to this day. So yeah, I'm an immigrant and I don't hold new immigrants to any standard other than to do it the right way and be grateful to be an American and don't ask Americans to change their ways to adaopt to you.
And by the way - I still speak my native language to my mom (my father's passed away RIP) but we learned it as well as my heritage at home and didn't expect America to bend over backwards to accomodate us.
Harumph.

668 Dustyvet  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 7:56:19pm

re: #659 albusteve

wawt!
wawt!

Maisey: Four score and seven years ago, out forefathers...

Dustyvet: What?

Maisey: Shut up Dustyvet...

669 albusteve  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 7:56:28pm

life goes on...here's Desmonds tale


670 albusteve  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 7:57:12pm

re: #664 newsjunkie_ky

oh please...how droll.
/

I'm a Drollist...

671 Charles Johnson  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 7:57:58pm

re: #652 maddogg

Bill'Oreilly was using a leftist term for the status quo IMHO. There are some here so afraid of the left labeling them racist (which they're going to do anyway) we have to go on witch hunts to find excuses to label well known conservatives racist, to show how not racist we are? Count me out. And Pat Buchanan is not wrong on every issue, just most of them.

I've spent the last seven years being wrongly accused of racism by leftists, and I'm offended by your stupid accusation that I'm on a "witch hunt." The people O'Reilly defended on his show tonight are REAL racists, and yes, Pat Buchanan is wrong. On everything.

672 SurferDoc  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 7:57:59pm

re: #667 LGoPs

Dead on and one of the many reasons I despise the NYT and the MFM in general so much. I'm a goddammed immigrant - came here as an infant because my mother and father fought the fucking communists in Europe and had to flee. And even then, they did it the right way. They went into a refugee camp because America's quota's had closed. Went to France and were finally sponsored by an American family in Oklahoma - God Bless them. My dad worked menial jobs while he learned the language and then toook his family to Chicago. I paid part of our debt back by serving in the infantry for 12 years. And we never once asked the government to have me taught in my native language or to provide voting booklets in our native language. We were proud to become Americans and are so to this day. So yeah, I'm an immigrant and I don't hold new immigrants to any standard other than to do it the right way and be grateful to be an American and don't ask Americans to change their ways to adaopt to you.
And by the way - I still speak my native language to my mom (my father's passed away RIP) but we learned it as well as my heritage at home and didn't expect America to bend over backwards to accomodate us.
Harumph.

God Bless your family and you!

673 Dustyvet  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 7:58:12pm

re: #670 albusteve

I'm a Drollist...

Hmmm, what part of the string section do you sit in?...:)

674 Sharmuta  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 7:58:26pm

re: #88 stevieray

Bill O'Reilly makes the same mistake the ethnic nationalists make -- he buys the multiculti idea that race = culture.

Going back over this thread- and I wish I could give you a hundred up dings for this. Very well said!

675 [deleted]  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 7:58:37pm
676 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 7:59:01pm

TRADERJOE9 - there's a question waiting for you in the que.

I asked you what to do about the birth rate of Muslim women. My comment had NOTHING in it about immigration.

You have Muslim woman here having 5 children, Those children will have, let's say, 5 each (the females) and so on.

Not, I don't know how much clearer I can be. What would you do about the birth rate of AMERICAN MUSLIMS, the ones that live here, born here?

?

677 mich-again  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 7:59:02pm

re: #604 OldLineTexan

It's a pronoun. And?

Its not the grammar, its the part about lumping "them" altogether. Thats not how I roll. I try to treat people as individuals, not just as being one of "them". And if you read the posts from the individual I was replying to, he or she is very comfortable using the "them" word to describe all Muslims.

678 LGoPs  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 8:00:00pm

re: #672 SurferDoc

Thank you SurferDoc...and God bless yours as well

679 Aye Pod  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 8:00:07pm

re: #656 Killgore Trout

The writer of 'Goodness Gracious Me' died last week.

[Link: www.timesonline.co.uk...]

680 Eclectic Infidel  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 8:00:12pm

re: #343 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

Reactionary maybe, but contrary to popular belief, fascism is not a product of the right, it is the other head of the socialist left.

This is a wrong. The Nazis, for example, were fascists in every sense of the word and were both anti-liberal and anti-conservative. The Gestapo ruthlessly murdered trade unionists, Catholics, local police, conservative politicians and anyone else not on board with the idea of "State first." I agree that fascism isn't conservative, but nor is it of liberal origins. Fascism doesn't just seek to eradicte liberty, but anything else that threatens its power base: progressivism, traditionalism, religious community, etc.

681 OldLineTexan  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 8:00:20pm

re: #677 mich-again

Its not the grammar, its the part about lumping "them" altogether. Thats not how I roll. I try to treat people as individuals, not just as being one of "them". And if you read the posts from the individual I was replying to, he or she is very comfortable using the "them" word to describe all Muslims.

OK, I think that's a hell of a stretch, but if that's how you read it. I'm not going to argue, lest I be seen as defending something.

682 albusteve  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 8:00:35pm

re: #673 Dustyvet

Hmmm, what part of the string section do you sit in?...:)

last chair...I aways had the papes

683 zturlte  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 8:01:23pm

Sharmuta, I certainly don't need to apologize for some idiot entertainer. Do you see the left apologize for anything? No they embrace their kooky base and won. Imagine that.
I watch very little tele though I do recognize the importance of opposing views and controversial ones at that. It's entertainment it gets viewers to switch from other cable channels, and out of the brainwashing the left does so well.
The R lost because people were tired, the war was too long(in the medias mind), Bush never fought back, etc. The right will be back because at the core people are fiscally conservative, want strong security. Just many people got away from that and sometimes it's hard to look in the mirror. Though we are all looking now and for some it isn't pretty. I think we need to use the very little media time we get, the left will always try to paint a picture that these people are the leaders of conservatives, kinder and gentler doesn't work. I don't wear them around my neck anymore than the liberals wear their kooks.

684 pink freud  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 8:01:44pm

re: #667 LGoPs

Beautiful!

Harumph indeed!

685 mich-again  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 8:02:06pm

re: #681 OldLineTexan

traderjoe9

This user is blocked.

You know, I did try to warn the guy.

686 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 8:02:12pm

re: #552 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

How many colors can you name?

Get to more than, oh, six... you are strictly gay.

Or female. Or working at Standard Brands.

Or gay, female, and working at Standard Brands.

687 Charles Johnson  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 8:03:02pm

'traderjoe9' is not welcome to post any more comments at LGF.

688 OldLineTexan  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 8:03:18pm

re: #685 mich-again

You know, I did try to warn the guy.

And you post this to me because ...

689 Dave the.....  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 8:03:20pm

On the Minnesota clip...I walk through little Somalia on my way from the light rail station to school. One of the local bars (white left wingers are their target market) has Palestinian flags and anti-Israeli posters on it.

690 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 8:03:39pm

re: #554 big steve

I think the dark horse might be Kay Bailey Hutchinson. She will likely win the Texas governorship this fall. One drawback is that she would be 72 in 4 years however.

72 is the new 55.

691 stevieray  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 8:03:54pm

re: #624 Walter L. Newton

I want to know how America has become a place where you can see sign like "Jews are Terrorists" and other signs indicating that Jews should be eliminated?

Multiculturalism.

Until we return to the ideas that built this country -- Western Civ and assimilation to those ideals -- we will continue to see every pathology of every backwards culture displayed on our streets... and if those would hold Western Civ in disdain become the majority, we will become just another waste of space on a map.

692 albusteve  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 8:03:57pm

re: #687 Charles

'traderjoe9' is not welcome to post any more comments at LGF.

my guitar gently weeps...heh

693 pink freud  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 8:06:04pm

re: #691 stevieray

Multiculturalism.

Until we return to the ideas that built this country -- Western Civ and assimilation to those ideals -- we will continue to see every pathology of every backwards culture displayed on our streets... and if those would hold Western Civ in disdain become the majority, we will become just another waste of space on a map.

I don't know if you caught this one minute clip on multiculturalism, but if you missed it it's well worth your time.

694 Dr. Shalit  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 8:07:34pm

OK Jumping on This One Late -

My thoughts in the matter are as follows:

1. It is IMPOSSIBLE for a person to pick their Biological Parents.

2. The Negro/Black/African - American has contributed Hugely to the Progress of the USA - if NOTHING ELSE - consider the REAL McCOY - the automatic hub oiler for trains, without which, trains would have had to stop and re-oil about every 40-50 miles. Wanna step it up? Consider the Electric Light Bulb (Filament Formulation) - Thomas A. Edison - as a man of his time - was an Anti-Semite - AND - NEVER Anti-Negro/Black/African - he knew well where his bread was buttered, and the Negro/Black/African Lab Assistant who BUTTERED IT! A step MORE? - Whaddabout Blood Plasma?

3. Point IS - It doesn't matter who your Parents are - IT MATTERS - who YOU BECOME and what YOU DO. Judged by the content of your being and accoplishments, NOT the color of your skin, your gender, physique or any other extraneous factor.

4. That is all.

-S-

695 Killian Bundy  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 8:07:50pm

re: #611 Dave the...

From Powerline:

[Link: www.powerlineblog.com...]

Damn, how long before these Hamas people start digging tunnels around town?

/they love to dig tunnels

696 maddogg  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 8:07:59pm

re: #671 Charles

Yes, Mr. Johnson, I am aware you are wrongly accused of racism. But going after O'reilly will not change that. Nor will it prevent them labeling you racist in the future. And even a stopped clock is right twice a day.

697 Wishing  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 8:08:17pm

re: #646 albusteve

few are...you'll get no defferential from me...I'm equally pissy with eveyone!

I can vouch for that.

698 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 8:08:19pm

re: #687 Charles

'traderjoe9' is not welcome to post any more comments at LGF.

Thank you, sir. Once you start comparing people to animals the way he did, evil deeds are but a short distance away. Animalization is a step on the road to murder.

699 mich-again  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 8:09:05pm

re: #688 OldLineTexan

And you post this to me because ...

I thought you might have been defending him when you took offense to 570 in 604. But maybe it was a missing sarc tag or you hadn't read all the posts leading up to it. Thats all.

700 mich-again  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 8:10:10pm

re: #694 Dr. Shalit

Must be a problem.. I could only give you one up-ding!

701 Kailen  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 8:10:43pm

This is why I can't stand O'Reilly. At least when trying to smear the likes of Limbaugh, 95+% of the time the quotes are out of context. For O'Reilly, he really is that fringe that most sane Republicans/Conservatives should be denouncing.

He may not be as bad as the Vlaams Belang, but he's bad enough.

702 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 8:11:43pm

re: #691 stevieray

Multiculturalism.

Until we return to the ideas that built this country -- Western Civ and assimilation to those ideals -- we will continue to see every pathology of every backwards culture displayed on our streets... and if those would hold Western Civ in disdain become the majority, we will become just another waste of space on a map.

They used to have pro-fascist rallies outside San Francisco's City Hall, back in the '30s. Not a multicultural time.

703 Charles Johnson  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 8:12:22pm

re: #696 maddogg

Yes, Mr. Johnson, I am aware you are wrongly accused of racism. But going after O'reilly will not change that. Nor will it prevent them labeling you racist in the future. And even a stopped clock is right twice a day.

You're missing my point entirely.

I could not possibly care less whether leftists label me as a racist. They've already done their worst.

But Brimelow, Buchanan, and the others that O'Reilly is defending are real, ugly, dyed in the wool racists.

I'm not "going after" Bill O'Reilly to protect myself. I'm criticizing him because he deserves criticism. If you're OK with Brimelow and Buchanan, you probably should find somewhere else to post comments, because you're not going to be welcome here.

704 stevieray  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 8:12:39pm

re: #693 pink freud

I don't know if you caught this one minute clip on multiculturalism, but if you missed it it's well worth your time.

Someone linked to that yesterday... I'm liking that Murray guy.

705 LGoPs  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 8:13:40pm

re: #693 pink freud

I don't know if you caught this one minute clip on multiculturalism, but if you missed it it's well worth your time.

Great link. There really is an all out assault going on against the West. It's almost Tolkeinian in it's sweep...
I just pray we wake up before it's too late.

706 Ojoe  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 8:15:43pm

No spin zone

Nose Pin Zone

707 maddogg  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 8:19:09pm

re: #703 Charles

You're missing my point entirely.

I could not possibly care less whether leftists label me as a racist. They've already done their worst.

But Brimelow, Buchanan, and the others that O'Reilly is defending are real, ugly, dyed in the wool racists.

I'm not "going after" Bill O'Reilly to protect myself. I'm criticizing him because he deserves criticism. If you're OK with Brimelow and Buchanan, you probably should find somewhere else to post comments, because you're not going to be welcome here.


Well I'm not OK with racists, and I don't agree with O'reilly on many issues. But I don't think O'reilly is a racist either. But perhaps I have been here long enough.

Goodbye, all.

708 Charles Johnson  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 8:22:45pm

I've learned the hard way to block the accounts of people who post these kinds of comments, before they have a serious meltdown. Your account is blocked.

709 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 8:25:16pm

re: #707 maddogg

I was going to ask him to stay but it's too late now. Sad to see, but I understand why it happened and I don't fault Charles at all.

710 Charles Johnson  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 8:32:06pm

Suppose I were accused of making a racist comment, based on something I posted at LGF. Then suppose that, to respond to this accusation, I put up another post quoting from the offensive post ... but left out the worst part of it, the part that led to the accusations.

Do you think anyone would cut me a break on that? No way.

Well, that's exactly what Bill O'Reilly did tonight. He put out a blizzard of bullshit, then played the video and left out the worst part.

I don't give lefties a break when they pull this kind of crap, and I'm not going to give O'Reilly one either.

711 winston06  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 8:37:05pm

re: #12 Killgore Trout

LMAO!

712 stevieray  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 8:37:11pm

re: #702 SanFranciscoZionist

They used to have pro-fascist rallies outside San Francisco's City Hall, back in the '30s. Not a multicultural time.

But back then, we could fight back against it, and be on the side of the angels. Now, if we try to stamp out ignorance, we get accused of racism, and the halo is stapled to the head of the ugly one.

713 Charles Johnson  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 8:41:50pm

This is what it's going to be like for the next four years for people who identified as "Republicans" during the Bush administration, but have no sympathy at all for the paleolithic social cons and their repressive agenda. We're going to be called all kinds of ugly names, and our motivations are going to be questioned, because the neanderthals sense that their power is slipping away, and rather than adapt to new circumstances, they're digging in their heels and going for broke.

714 Sharmuta  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 8:43:11pm

re: #713 Charles

...rather than adapt to new circumstances, they're digging in their heels and going for broke.

Well- they are rejectors of evolution.

715 Render  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 8:49:47pm

re: #713 Charles

I had thought two years.

BUT
NO
LESS,
R

716 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 8:56:17pm

re: #710 Charles

I don't give lefties a break when they pull this kind of crap, and I'm not going to give O'Reilly one either.

Consistency is key, and that is a big part of why I like your site. Thank you for your work and your consistent stance.

717 avanti  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 8:57:32pm

re: #713 Charles

This is what it's going to be like for the next four years for people who identified as "Republicans" during the Bush administration, but have no sympathy at all for the paleolithic social cons and their repressive agenda. We're going to be called all kinds of ugly names, and our motivations are going to be questioned, because the neanderthals sense that their power is slipping away, and rather than adapt to new circumstances, they're digging in their heels and going for broke.

Charles, I agree that may happen, but hope they don't tear the party apart by doing so. I've voted both ways over the years and want a choice that I can live with. Give me a choice of a party the caters to the religious right and I'll go for the fiscal left to get away from that nonsense.
A social moderate and a fiscal conservative I could deal with, maybe Steele will move that way..

718 meeshlr  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 8:58:59pm

re: #713 Charles

I've started to think about where I fit in with the shifting political landscape. If the Republicans make a hard swing towards an extreme socially conservative position, that will leave me stuck somewhere in the middle. And I don't think I'm alone which means that the Democrats win if people like me can't support the Republican Party. I won't ally myself with racists even if I agree with them on other issues. And I can't side with socialist-wannabees just because they are the only apparent alternative.

There are people more politically-knowledgeable than me here ... is a Libertarian Party even possible? Realistic?

719 avanti  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 9:08:46pm

re: #718 meeshlr

There are people more politically-knowledgeable than me here ... is a Libertarian Party even possible? Realistic?

Not for me. Too big on open borders, and isolationist for my taste.

720 Sheepdogess  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 9:09:08pm

re: #713 Charles

O'Reilly is a simple man.

ABC, NBC or CBS. He'll work for any of them.

721 LEGION  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 9:26:38pm

After reading the article and watching O'Reilly I say how about let's also get after the NYSlimes Andrew Rosenthal quoting the oh so credible and legitimate sources of google and youtube (spits) for his outright falsehoods and lies? Or is that all we expect from the slimes and give them a pass? Pat Buchanan wasn't a guest on the show as many have seemed to allege- his sister Bay was- (as Charles did say up above)- along with Jim Pinkerton of Newsday. As Juan Williams said- its the usual racial demagoguery tactics by the left attacking the right. Too much info has been muddled on this long thread- too many pissy sniping people here- and a banning because of it- yesh! Makes one afraid to say anything! How about the free flow of ideas! Billy boy says he is an Independent- he is NOT a Conservative Republican so Stop labeling him as such. He is an entertaining Television analyst. Get it?

722 kynna  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 9:29:00pm

O'Reilly is not a Republican. He's an O'Reillycrat, and I continue to be appalled at his ratings. He's one of the most arrogant morons I've ever had the displeasure of listening too. So I'm disgusted beyond reason when he identifies himself as a 'conservative' or a 'Republican'. Just because he has the stones to call someone out once in a while doesn't mean he's doing it for the right reasons. He wants attention.

On the very first day that we attacked in Iraq he was on the radio crowing about how surprised Saddam must have been to 'wake up to a couple of SCUDs outside his window'.

I hate being lumped in the cauldron with this ass-brain.

723 Charles Johnson  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 9:33:49pm

re: #721 LEGION

After reading the article and watching O'Reilly I say how about let's also get after the NYSlimes Andrew Rosenthal quoting the oh so credible and legitimate sources of google and youtube (spits) for his outright falsehoods and lies?

The video is right there in my post. Watch it. The New York Times was NOT lying about it. Bill O'Reilly was.

724 Dan G.  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 9:34:12pm

re: #713 Charles

Three cheers for Charles!

725 Dan G.  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 9:34:58pm

Hip hip hooray!
Hip hip hooray!
Hip hip hooray!

726 Dan G.  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 9:36:47pm

Good job with this post Charles. As sleepy B mentioned, your consistency (i.e. principled stand) is also why I choose to read/participate here.

I imagine that you'll stir the bugs out of the word work with this post as well.

727 maddog44  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 9:42:13pm

re: #708 Charles

I've learned the hard way to block the accounts of people who post these kinds of comments, before they have a serious meltdown. Your account is blocked.

You better get this old account while your at it Mr. Johnson. You can't be too careful.

728 Charles Johnson  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 9:42:59pm

What an asshole you are.

729 Shai  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 9:48:54pm

Its possible to be a right-winger and see Bill O'Reilly as he is - a joke. I've seen him on many many many occasions flat out LIE, just like he did here. Meaning, he would say something very stupid, or outrageous, and then when called out on it, he would flat out DENY it and call the other person a liar, and pretend to be the slandered innocent victim.

Its good to see I'm not the only right-winger who is repulsed by this idiot.

730 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 9:53:17pm

Some people just can't let go.

731 Dan G.  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 9:57:29pm

...Imagine that, he too (maddog) saw no problem with dishonesty.

732 kahall  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 11:13:41pm

I was just watching Oreilly on the PVR. It is weird of Bill to make a big deal out of the article on his show but not play the quote and try to explain it. Even Mary K Ham seemed confused when he brought it up again with her. I'm scratching my head on this one.

733 Globular Cluster  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 12:26:06am

It seems fairly obvious to me that O'Reilly was paraphrasing the Left's perspective toward him. Normally it is a very bad idea to do this without using scare quotes or to alert viewers that you are paraphrasing. He isn't a paleocon by any stretch, or a racist. While sometimes his show can be frustrating because he talks too much during interviews with guests, on the whole I think his show is positive. He does a good job of exposing corruption and hypocrisy, and if his ratings benefit from that, then I have no problem with it.

734 Globular Cluster  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 12:28:50am

Also, I understood O'Reilly's comment about googling to be the association of keywords out of context. For example, google "Charles Johnson racist" and just look at all the hits! It means nothing.

735 jantjepietje  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 2:46:50am

re: #88 stevieray

Bill O'Reilly makes the same mistake the ethnic nationalists make -- he buys the multiculti idea that race = culture.

He is correct in noticing that immigration has turned into a sledgehammer to attack the foundation of America, i.e. a society built on the ideals of the Enlightenment, but he is wrong to assume that non-whites cannot come to embrace Western Civ as deeply as anyone else -- its just that they haven't been allowed for the last three decades.

The principles of the Enlightenment are easy to defend, as they are the basis for individual rights, human dignity, and economic prosperity -- people simply have to be willing to withstand the accusations of "racist" for doing so.

Attack Marxism, attack socialism, attack multiculturalism, attack moral relativism... but do not embrace ethnic nationalism. That is not the way to a bright future for humanity.

Amen

736 [deleted]  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 5:17:26am
737 phoenixgirl  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 5:28:59am

re: #733 Globular Cluster

It seems fairly obvious to me that O'Reilly was paraphrasing the Left's perspective toward him. Normally it is a very bad idea to do this without using scare quotes or to alert viewers that you are paraphrasing. He isn't a paleocon by any stretch, or a racist. While sometimes his show can be frustrating because he talks too much during interviews with guests, on the whole I think his show is positive. He does a good job of exposing corruption and hypocrisy, and if his ratings benefit from that, then I have no problem with it.

i agree with you, what i'm not understanding is why he didn't play the whole clip.

it is getting to the point in this country that no one is allowed to say anything with out being labeled something.

738 Throbert McGee  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 6:22:41am

re: #710 Charles

Suppose I were accused of making a racist comment, based on something I posted at LGF. Then suppose that, to respond to this accusation, I put up another post quoting from the offensive post ... but left out the worst part of it, the part that led to the accusations.

You left out: The original accusation (in the Times editorial) was based on highly selective quoting -- the quote omitted (or glossed over) a portion that would've somewhat mitigated the accusation.

Thus, by leaving out the "worst part" in his replay (i.e., the "White Christian Male Power Structure" phrase), O'Reilly also left out the mitigating portion that had been left out of the Times editorial (namely "they want," which clearly attributes this offensive mindset to someone other than the speaker, O'Reilly).

I updinged Occasional Reader in #365 for pointing out that if O'Reilly is an actual racist, you'd think that as "a seasoned media professional" he'd be much too canny to give himself away on TV.

But, on the other hand, you'd also think that a "seasoned media professional" wouldn't have missed the opportunity to answer the accusation in a way that would've (a) mitigated the offensive statement, and (b) embarrassed his accuser, the Times.

739 astralvoid  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 6:44:27am

while Bill O'Reilly has made some blunders, I still say that he makes sense much of the time. To throw a tantrum and scream that he's a racist, or that he's a zealot is just plain Foxnews/Oreilly-bashing.

740 Throbert McGee  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 6:49:58am

re: #578 Occasional Reader

Teal? ?! Teal?!

Dude. Why not just link to a Youtube of Judy Garland singing?

/

As thou wishest, handsome...

Believe it or not, that's 13-year-old Judy on the left singing about what a calamity it is to be without ganja:

¡ Porque no tiene, porque le falta
Marijuana que fumar!

The 19-minute Technicolor short La Fiesta de Santa Barbara from which this snippet comes was released four years prior to Oz, and Judy didn't even get separate billing in the end credits; she was just a member of "The Garland Sisters."

741 Throbert McGee  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 6:51:54am

Aargh, here's the YouTube clip of Judy's ode to pot:

742 medaura18586  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 7:29:57am

re: #9 Killgore Trout

White, Christian, male power structure? What's not to like?
/

I'm barely one of the three... Wait, does Eastern European even count as 'white' to the WASP purists?

743 medaura18586  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 7:32:51am

re: #32 winston06

I think he is being taken out of context there. The US is a majority WHITE, CHRISTIAN and English speaking nation and that's what he probably meant.

A majority male nation too?

744 medaura18586  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 7:39:47am

re: #53 Killgore Trout

Instapundit linked to this earlier...
Republican is the New Punk
This has been the case for quite a long time but why isn't conservatism catching on with rebellious youth? Because of lingering racism, Christian supremacy, archaic social policies, homophobia, etc. When conservatives really return to their roots of liberty, individual freedoms, self sufficiency, etc. they have an eager young audience waiting to hear.

Couldn't have said it better. I read that article myself when he linked to it and the same thoughts sprang to mind. Arrr... I really wish I'd caught this thread when it was still alive.

745 earth56  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 7:44:53am

As much as I can agree with some anger at what Bill O'rieilly said I am still far more angrier at the NYT and the MSM for the lies they have printed in the past 15 years.

Bill O'reilly has done far more good in exposing cheats ,liars and frauds than his counterparts added up

746 daveycrockett  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 7:47:43am

Bill O'Reilly made this statement to point out how the left is trying to replace the current upper echelons of the world. These predominately just so happen to be made up of white christian males. I don't think what he said was racist, but taken out of context can be easily misconstrued as such. You don't typically see many minorities as executives, it may be unfortunate but also a reality. I think O'Reilly backed away from what he said, because of how easily misinterpreted it could become, and because of how hard to defend a statement like that is in the media.

747 Earth56  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 7:51:33am

re: #746 daveycrockett


Agreed !

748 Charles Johnson  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 7:58:34am

re: #738 Throbert McGee

You left out: The original accusation (in the Times editorial) was based on highly selective quoting -- the quote omitted (or glossed over) a portion that would've somewhat mitigated the accusation.

Thus, by leaving out the "worst part" in his replay (i.e., the "White Christian Male Power Structure" phrase), O'Reilly also left out the mitigating portion that had been left out of the Times editorial (namely "they want," which clearly attributes this offensive mindset to someone other than the speaker, O'Reilly).

I updinged Occasional Reader in #365 for pointing out that if O'Reilly is an actual racist, you'd think that as "a seasoned media professional" he'd be much too canny to give himself away on TV.

But, on the other hand, you'd also think that a "seasoned media professional" wouldn't have missed the opportunity to answer the accusation in a way that would've (a) mitigated the offensive statement, and (b) embarrassed his accuser, the Times.

Is O'Reilly an actual racist? I don't know, I can't read minds. With this post I was simply pointing out that he played a rather unethical game with this comment of his. And if you watch the entire clip, I don't think it's mitigated at all -- he says "Pat Buchanan was right."

749 Aye Pod  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 7:59:14am
I think O'Reilly backed away from what he said, because of how easily misinterpreted it could become, and because of how hard to defend a statement like that is in the media.

That's more of an argument for not making such a statement in the first place. It's not much of an argument for failing to clarify properly once you have already made that statement and the cat is out of the bag.

750 Land Shark  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 8:13:26am

Hee, hee. Let's see you spin that one, Mr. No Spin Zone!

I got into it with my son's wife's father who's a big O'Reilly fan. He was shocked any conservative would think O'Reilly is a self promoting fraud. But he is just that. I can't watch The O'Reilly Factor.

751 medaura18586  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 8:24:00am

re: #101 lawhawk

Apparently that's all the GOPers they know... how Buchanan gets face time is beyond me, but given the way that they don't exactly seek out fresh blood to interview on a regular basis, it's wholly expected. He must think that the GOP all thinks that way.

Might be something to take up with Michelle Malkin, especially since she's sat in on some of O'Reilly's shows.

I don't think Michelle Malkin is that much better, to tell you the truth. Intellectually, she's heavier weight than O'Reilly, and she did start out more moderate, saner, and closer to libertarian ground in her early years, but I think she's found a base audience, and is comfortable with her role of being an outrageous more exotic Ann Coulter. I sense a lot of complacency from these right-wing pundits.

Unmitigated by visual gesticulation, this staple populism comes through loud and clear via the radio medium: Sean Hannity, Michael Savage, Mark Levine, even Rush Limbaugh -- the sound of their voices alone is headache inducing and drives up my blood pressure. These angry, polemicist male voices of demagogues screeching from the political pulpit are simply sickening and appeal to the basest instincts. It seems like they try to imitate and even out-do one-another in this respect too.

As for Republican attitudes toward immigration, boy, is the GOP blowing it or what! Consider this proposal: Republican leadership proposes amnesty to current illegal aliens and and open immigration policy going forward (worldwide influx welcome) conditional on a) applicants passing a background check for criminal/troubled past and b) their consent to receiving no unemployment benefits, medicare, medicaid, welfare, food stamps, and other miscellaneous handouts, for life!

Make these requirements necessary and sufficient milestones toward naturalized citizenship, and voila! What kind of foreigners will self-select toward such a road to U.S. citizenship? Will they be inclined to vote for welfare-state platforms in the benefits of which they cannot participate? Will they be inclined to vote Democrat?

Immigrants who want access to America in order to work and build a better future for themselves and their families are exemplars of entrepreneurship. Republicans are dissing their best potential base. As someone who has had to go through the currently ridiculous immigration process herself, I sure do have a chip on my shoulder.

752 Aye Pod  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 8:30:08am

re: #750 Land Shark

I used to like watching it for a laugh. On UK tv, you don't see news broadcasters melting down and losing it on a regular basis. I actually used to find his extreme forthrightness - "Sack this man!" "This people are idiots!" to be refreshing, certainly different to what we see here. The more you learn about him though, the more 'performances' you see, the more of a liability you realise he is to whatever cause or movement he associates himself with.

753 medaura18586  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 8:45:01am

re: #748 Charles

Is O'Reilly an actual racist? I don't know, I can't read minds. With this post I was simply pointing out that he played a rather unethical game with this comment of his. And if you watch the entire clip, I don't think it's mitigated at all -- he says "Pat Buchanan was right."

I'm no mind-reader either. I never got a good sense from O'Reilly, but 'racist' is a serious epithet not to be thrown around lightly. I believe one can infer a lot about a person from his/her reaction or lack thereof toward actual undiluted racism. For anyone to not only not actively distance oneself from a monster like Buchanan, but even remaining neutral toward him raises a big red flag. As we've seen in our own mini-circle, a blind spot for Euro fascism is always a precursor to apologetics. Fascism and its champions are impossible to not take sides on.

754 medaura18586  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 8:53:39am

re: #713 Charles

This is what it's going to be like for the next four years for people who identified as "Republicans" during the Bush administration, but have no sympathy at all for the paleolithic social cons and their repressive agenda. We're going to be called all kinds of ugly names, and our motivations are going to be questioned, because the neanderthals sense that their power is slipping away, and rather than adapt to new circumstances, they're digging in their heels and going for broke.

I wish I could give that more than one plus.

755 Aye Pod  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 8:57:55am

re: #753 medaura18586

Yep - he is clearly not repulsed by Buchanan; it's hard not to think there is something seriously wrong there.

756 Throbert McGee  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 9:05:55am

re: #748 Charles

Is O'Reilly an actual racist? I don't know, I can't read minds. With this post I was simply pointing out that he played a rather unethical game with this comment of his. And if you watch the entire clip, I don't think it's mitigated at all -- he says "Pat Buchanan was right."

I did watch the entire clip, but I don't think it's clear what O'Reilly believes Buchanan to be right about -- does he agree with Buchanan that (A) immigration is happening too fast and that the Times doesn't care whether this has bad practical consequences because it would rather appeal to the "white guilt" of its core liberal readership?

Or does O'Reilly agree with Buchanan that (B) Aryans Europeans of Judeo-Christian persuasion have a God-given right to rule the world, and that there's a sinister brown-people conspiracy against the poor endangered White Race, and that all Hispanics are secretly in league with La Raza, and that it's all being controlled by ZOG puppetmasters, etc.?

As far as I know, Buchanan subscribes to both (A) and (B), but clearly they're quite different claims. O'Reilly very obviously endorses (A) -- that was the main point of his interview with McCain -- but it's not obvious that he endorses (B).

On the other hand, O'Reilly could've taken the Times editorial as an implicit hint that he ought to repudiate (B) and distance himself from Buchanan and other "race realists" ASAP, but thus far he hasn't. The question is whether O'Reilly will take this hint more seriously now that it has come from a source with right-wing street cred, namely LGF.

757 Aye Pod  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 9:06:45am

re: #754 medaura18586

medaura - [Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
My little attempt at a satire on the republicans post election blues.

758 medaura18586  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 9:13:59am

re: #757 Jimmah

John Downer, who runs a print shop in Lynchburg VA, has come up with the idea of printing Obama's face on the inside bottom of coffee mugs. "A lot of my republican customers, like myself, have been experiencing feelings of powerlessness since Obama took office, and needed something to help them to feel politically relevant again. Now, with my range of Obama coffee mugs, every time you pour yourself a hot drink, it's like you are pouring boiling water directly onto his face. Between that and the caffeine it's a real pick-me-up."

Creepy! lol

759 Charles Johnson  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 9:18:45am

re: #756 Throbert McGee

Not only has he not distanced himself from Buchanan, he actually had Bay Buchanan on last night's show to whine about how their views are being distorted, and implied that this was an innocuous conference simply airing legitimate views on immigration. Sorry, but a conference sponsored by the likes of Brimelow and Epstein is anything but innocuous.

Here's a video of the show. O'Reilly simply lied about his statements.

760 medaura18586  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 9:20:58am

re: #756 Throbert McGee

Why then, would he ever need to be reduced to touting Buchanan as the champion of the attitude you label (A)? Aren't there plenty of un-compromised talking heads willing to espouse such a view?

761 Globular Cluster  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 9:52:59am

re: #759 Charles

Not only has he not distanced himself from Buchanan, he actually had Bay Buchanan on last night's show to whine about how their views are being distorted, and implied that this was an innocuous conference simply airing legitimate views on immigration. Sorry, but a conference sponsored by the likes of Brimelow and Epstein is anything but innocuous.

Here's a video of the show. O'Reilly simply lied about his statements.


[Video]

Unfortunately, the behavior toward Pat Buchanan cannot be used as a litmus test for racism of MSM members. Buchanan also appears on the McLaughlin Group on Sundays on PBS. Is PBS racist? Are all the other panel members of McLaughlin Group racist? Buchanan has appeared on Meet the Press. Was Tim Russert racist?

I know it sucks, Charles. I don't like Buchanan any more than you do. But Fox news is not racist because Buchanan has been a regular.

762 medaura18586  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 9:58:25am

re: #761 Globular Cluster

It's one thing to give Buchanan air time, and it is another thing completely to actively back him. Even allowing his face on one's reveals, in my view, very poor judgment to say the least. PBS may also have moby-promoting reasons to air out Buchanan, but we don't need to speculate.

FOX's attitude toward Buchanan is non-committal: they are merely giving him airtime. O'Reilly is personally whitewashing him and backing him with un-mitigatable statements such as "he is right."

There is a difference.

763 medaura18586  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 9:58:56am

re: #762 medaura18586

Correction: Even allowing his face on one's show reveals, in my view, very poor judgment to say the least.

764 nikis-knight  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 10:00:31am

re: #210 Occasional Reader

Now, going back a bit;

My interpretation when Buchanan uttered the "White, Christian, Male Power Structure" line is that he's attributing that view to the New York Times, not endorsing it. I.e., he's saying "the liberal NYT editors think this thing exists, and that they'll tear it down by supporting lots of immigration"; NOT that he is, himself, saying "I support the WCM Power Structure".

However, his line "Pat Buchanan was right" confuses things.


That's what it sounds like to me, only because it's very hard to imagine someone not in academia using the phrase "power structure" non-ironically.
I really don't watch much TV, no news/opinion shows, but it's a shame that what is percieved as a popular conservative channel gives any credibility to these very fringe elements. Embracing radical, increasingly hate-filled fringe is what made the democrats so repulsive the last eight years (being wrong on almost everything didn't help).

765 Charles Johnson  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 10:32:19am

re: #761 Globular Cluster

Unfortunately, the behavior toward Pat Buchanan cannot be used as a litmus test for racism of MSM members. Buchanan also appears on the McLaughlin Group on Sundays on PBS. Is PBS racist? Are all the other panel members of McLaughlin Group racist? Buchanan has appeared on Meet the Press. Was Tim Russert racist?

I know it sucks, Charles. I don't like Buchanan any more than you do. But Fox news is not racist because Buchanan has been a regular.

Buchanan appears on PBS and MSNBC because they love trotting him out as a "conservative" - what better way to discredit conservatives in general than to put up a racist antisemite to represent conservative viewpoints?

On Fox News, on the other hand, Buchanan is treated like a great person. Sean Hannity went out of his way to praise Buchanan on his show recently. O'Reilly says Buchanan is "right."

It's not the same thing at all.

I never said Fox News is "racist," and I never said Bill O'Reilly is a racist. But he simply did not tell the truth about his comments, and that stinks.

And as for Buchanan and Brimelow and Epstein -- yes, these are genuine racist creeps, and conservatives should denounce them, not make excuses for them.

766 grundle  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 10:39:45am

Hey lets find some other republicans to attack. Rush Limbaugh is no better than Buchanan, he's a nativist and plugged "Expelled" on his show and called Darwinists arrogent and ridiculed them. Rudy Giuliani turned his city into sanctuary central and he's for abortion. George W. turned into a big government drunken sailor spending liberal. My own senator Hutchinson voted yes on HR2 and she's going to challenge gov Perry in the primary and possibly divide the republican party in TX so that a democrat could get a senate seat and possibly the Governors mansion.
None of this matters to me. Whether or not a republican is a neocon or a paleocon doesn't matter to me. Whether they are religous or not is irrelevant. They still get my vote. Lets remember that the primaries are the time to hash out your issues. After that they either get your vote or your a Democrat. Yes I said it. If you call yourself Republican and don't vote for a Republican because of a small ideological difference then your a Democrat. You just haven't admitted it to yourself yet.

767 nikis-knight  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 10:43:03am

re: #766 grundle

This isn't a polling place, though. In discussions you can do more than express a preference for the lesser of two evils, and it is entirely appropriate to call out your own "side" for being wrong; indeed it is critical.

768 grundle  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 10:47:16am

It is critical, however you lose that argument when your guy loses the primary. It is now your obligation to shut up and vote.

769 wrenchwench  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 10:47:44am

re: #765 Charles

Buchanan appears on PBS and MSNBC because they love trotting him out as a "conservative" - what better way to discredit conservatives in general than to put up a racist antisemite to represent conservative viewpoints?

Exactly. They're coming at the conservatives from all angles. The NYT opinion piece being responded to said,

Last week at the National Press Club in Washington, a group seeking to speak for the future of the Republican Party declared that its November defeats in Congressional races stemmed not from having been too hard on foreigners, but too soft.

The group, the American Cause, released a report arguing that anti-immigration absolutism was still the solution for the party’s deep electoral woes, actual voting results notwithstanding. Rather than “pander to pro-amnesty Hispanics and swing voters,” as President Bush and Karl Rove once tried to do, the report’s author, Marcus Epstein, urged Republicans to double down on their efforts to run on schemes to seal the border and drive immigrants out.

It was the damn National Press Club giving this group a forum, not the Republican Party. This just happens to be the wingnuts the NYT would like to see connected to the party in a permanent way. Thanks for trying to stop these shenanigans, Charles. It's an uphill battle.

770 Ty85719  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 10:52:35am

Give me a break! Anyone who has seen that segment in its entirety can put the original comment in proper context. Mr. O'Reilly is obviously mocking what the Left perceives and portrays as those who control America:

“ ...[the] white, Christian, male power structure”

The Left does this for the sake of exciting and attracting minority and/or opposition groups who have any sort of grievances with caucasians, Christians and/or males.

771 grundle  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 11:04:31am

Arab dictatorships blame the Jews for all their ills. I see Pat Buchanan and the Christian right taking on that role here. Liberals love nothing better than to have conservatives and Re-pubicans battle back and forth. That keeps them from launching that attack where it belongs, on liberals.

772 Charles Johnson  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 11:05:51am

re: #770 Ty85719

Give me a break! Anyone who has seen that segment in its entirety can put the original comment in proper context. Mr. O'Reilly is obviously mocking what the Left perceives and portrays as those who control America:

The Left does this for the sake of exciting and attracting minority and/or opposition groups who have any sort of grievances with caucasians, Christians and/or males.

Nonsense.

Here's the exact quote, since people seem determined to try to make excuses for it:

Do you understand what the New York Times wants, and the far left want? They want to break down the white Christian male power structure, which you are a part and so am I, and they want to bring in millions of foreign nationals to basically break down the structure that we have. In that regard, Pat Buchanan is right.

That's what he said. Spin it however you want, but those were his words.

773 Globular Cluster  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 11:14:12am

re: #765 Charles

Buchanan appears on PBS and MSNBC because they love trotting him out as a "conservative" - what better way to discredit conservatives in general than to put up a racist antisemite to represent conservative viewpoints?

Absolutely correct. I've said this many times.


On Fox News, on the other hand, Buchanan is treated like a great person. Sean Hannity went out of his way to praise Buchanan on his show recently. O'Reilly says Buchanan is "right."

Completely agree that legitimizing Buchanan is a huge mistake for Conservatives and Republicans. Buchanan, in fact, is not even a Republican. He ran as the Reform Party candidate in 2000 against Bush.

On the other hand, a person can be right on one issue and dangerously wrong on another issue. I'm sure there are plenty of scientists who simultaneously believe in Evolution and that Israel has no right to exist. Or it may be the case that a Fundamentalist Christian believes Israel is awesome but that the earth was created 4000 years ago. So the scientist is brought on the show to talk about the latest scientific discoveries only to get 5M angry letters from Jews, or the Christian is trotted out and 5M scientists sign a petition that only dumb Fundies support Israel.

A simpler example is Bobby Fischer. His 60 memorable games are essential chess reading. His opinions on chess were rightly influential. He also was a freak who hated America and thought Jews control the world.

Example 3: Richard Wagner. He was an anti-semite IIRC. Hitler used to play his music in the concentration camps as Jews were gassed. Should Israeli orchestras play his music?

There comes a point where a person's POV on one issue invalidates them as a serious intellect. That is the case with Buchanan. But the same argument about Pat Buchanan could be made about Richard Dawkins. Just food for thought.


I never said Fox News is "racist," and I never said Bill O'Reilly is a racist. But he simply did not tell the truth about his comments, and that stinks.

Gotcha.


And as for Buchanan and Brimelow and Epstein -- yes, these are genuine racist creeps, and conservatives should denounce them, not make excuses for them.

Agreed.

774 Globular Cluster  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 11:24:17am
Do you understand what the New York Times wants, and the far left want? They want to break down the white Christian male power structure, which you are a part and so am I, and they want to bring in millions of foreign nationals to basically break down the structure that we have.

What about this statement is incorrect?

"They want to break down the white Christian male power structure" -- True, although it is not the only reason why those on the Left support unrestricted immigration. Most people in government and heads of business are white, they are Christian, and they are male. The Left routinely refers to this as the White Male Power-Structure, or Patriarchal Christian Hegemony, etc. It is also true that that O'Reilly is technically a part of it.

" want to bring in millions of foreign nationals to basically break down the structure that we have." -- True. Those on the Far Left want to see our nation destroyed and replaced by a Communist Utopia. Those on the moderate Left hope to turn illegals into Democrat vote fodder once they are on the welfare rolls.

"In that regard, Pat Buchanan is right."

Notice that he says "in that regard".

775 Land Shark  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 11:27:00am

re: #752 Jimmah

That's how it was with me. I thought he was a breath of fresh air when I first saw him, but the more I saw and heard of him the less I liked. O'Reilly is no Limbaugh or Hannity.

776 Charles Johnson  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 11:52:07am

re: #774 Globular Cluster

So we're now going to change from, "he was projecting what the New York Times believes about the white Christian male power structure," to, "he was right?"

I don't have a lot of interest in parsing his comments, either to excuse or condemn what he said. For me, the point is that O'Reilly tried to deliberately obfuscate the truth, and attacked the New York Times for lying about what he said -- when they didn't.

I'm no friend of the New York Times, but this was a sleazy tactic on O'Reilly's part. If he said it, and he did, he should own up to it and defend it honestly. Instead he put up a smokescreen and dodged the issue, and even made excuses for the racialists at that conference.

Sorry. I'm not on board with this kind of stuff, and never will be.

777 medaura18586  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 12:11:28pm

re: #765 Charles

Buchanan appears on PBS and MSNBC because they love trotting him out as a "conservative" - what better way to discredit conservatives in general than to put up a racist antisemite to represent conservative viewpoints?

Right: the moby motive.

778 Wantedtoregisterforalongtime  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 12:55:40pm

The quote sounds horrible, that is true. Bill O'Reilly's defense is even worse (somebody put that clip online, as if it is not he who speaks in that clip.)

But, but, could he have meant electoral power? Could he have been describing an electoral coalition that is winning and therefore has political power? In other words, could his argument, however stupidly worded, have been "Look, we, who in general are "White, Christian, Males", are in power because we are the majority, and NYT does not like that, so they are thinking of a scheme to bring in a lot of people who are not "us" to take our status as a majority away from us"?

I don't know what the answer is, I am just surprised that nobody (including Bill O'Reilly) has not yet tried that line of defense. Why? Is it not a defensible position? Is it not OK to identify winning coalitions in the electoral process? I doubt it, because politicians never apologize for shamelessly catering to another winning coalition, the middle classes.

779 Øyvind Strømmen  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 7:48:55am

re: #778 Wantedtoregisterforalongtime

I don't really think white, Christian males are the majority many places at all. Except - perhaps - in the Vatican.


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