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1 BlueCanuck  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 11:27:03pm

I am a seeker. I am constantly seeking for new knowledge. Well, and girls too.

2 SurferDoc  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 11:28:40pm

Hey, Blue! How are ya?

3 redc1c4  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 11:30:47pm

IR seekers, mm seekers, there's no end to how the terminators can hunt you down......

4 MJ  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 11:31:07pm

I think I prefer the credo credited to P. T. Barnum's better:

There's a sucker born every minute.

5 redc1c4  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 11:31:30pm

re: #2 SurferDoc

Hey, Blue! How are ya?

he's Blue.

/duh!

6 redc1c4  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 11:32:07pm

re: #4 MJ

I think I prefer the credo credited to P. T. Barnum's better:

There's a sucker born every minute.

same same, if you ever talked to them.

7 BlueCanuck  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 11:32:42pm

re: #2 SurferDoc

Morning SurferDoc. Things are going alright. Two more months of winter.

/as long as the glaciers don't start marching. . . .

8 SurferDoc  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 11:33:03pm

Am I Blue?
Am I Blue?
Ain't these tears in these eyes
Tellin' you?

9 average_guy  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 11:34:20pm

how can you be in two places at once when you're not anywhere at all?

10 average_guy  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 11:34:38pm

don't crush that dwarf,hand me the pliers....

11 average_guy  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 11:34:53pm

we're all bozos on this bus...

12 slokat  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 11:35:15pm

Seeker Suckers? ...from the Holy Candy Company?

13 [deleted]  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 11:35:29pm
14 average_guy  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 11:35:37pm

I'd add Lennon and Marx but its mostly a sight gag..

15 redc1c4  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 11:36:18pm

re: #7 BlueCanuck

Morning SurferDoc. Things are going alright. Two more months of winter.

/as long as the glaciers don't start marching. . . .

it was 80* here again today...................

/white smoke march

16 SurferDoc  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 11:36:34pm

re: #13 buzzsawmonkey

Am I blue? You'd be too
If each plan with your man done fell through
Was a tiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiime
I was his only one
But now IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII'm
The sad and lonely one

Makes me think of Hoagy Carmichael. :-)

17 Sharmuta  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 11:36:41pm

Harry Potter is a seeker.

18 SurferDoc  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 11:37:22pm

We got up to around 72 here today. The nights are cold, still.

19 [deleted]  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 11:37:40pm
20 [deleted]  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 11:38:22pm
21 SurferDoc  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 11:38:23pm

re: #19 buzzsawmonkey

Actually, makes me think of Ethel Waters, who did the first 78 of the song.

IIRC, Hoagy sang it in "To Have and Have Not".

22 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 11:38:29pm
23 [deleted]  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 11:39:00pm
24 Syrah  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 11:39:21pm

Eiffel 65 - I'm Blue

25 SurferDoc  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 11:40:26pm

re: #23 buzzsawmonkey

Ah, to be sure, so he did--in duet with Lauren Bacall, IIRC.

...and for a real stretch, Rick Nelson did it with a nice bouncy backing by James Burton on the Telecaster.

26 tommygum  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 11:40:36pm

Hey Barry, how's that crap sandwich tasting so far?

27 redc1c4  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 11:43:24pm

/grooving to the Clash, live at Shea Stadium.......

"if you don't know what's going on, ask the person next to you....."

/Tommy Gun

28 freedomplow  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 11:43:42pm

Stay out of the evolution threads for one reason.

It doesn't interest me.

Never has.

29 redc1c4  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 11:50:46pm

re: #28 freedomplow

Stay out of the evolution threads for one reason.

It doesn't interest me.

Never has.

no sense of --------------------> adventure.

/different strokes

30 hro001  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 11:51:57pm

As a relatively new hatchling, my apologies if the following is not considered apropos in an "Open Thread", but just came across an article in the WSJ by Judea Pearl (father of Daniel) that I think is worth reading:

Daniel Pearl and the Normalization of Evil
When will our luminaries stop making excuses for terror

This week marks the seventh anniversary of the murder of our son, former Wall Street Journal reporter Daniel Pearl. My wife Ruth and I wonder: Would Danny have believed that today's world emerged after his tragedy?

[...]

Those around the world who mourned for Danny in 2002 genuinely hoped that Danny's murder would be a turning point in the history of man's inhumanity to man, and that the targeting of innocents to transmit political messages would quickly become, like slavery and human sacrifice, an embarrassing relic of a bygone era.

But somehow, barbarism, often cloaked in the language of "resistance," has gained acceptance in the most elite circles of our society. The words "war on terror" cannot be uttered today without fear of offense. Civilized society, so it seems, is so numbed by violence that it has lost its gift to be disgusted by evil.

Mr. Pearl sadly concludes:

Danny's picture is hanging just in front of me, his warm smile as reassuring as ever. But I find it hard to look him straight in the eyes and say: You did not die in vain.
31 Killian Bundy  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 11:55:00pm

Informality Excess: Obama Replacing 'Hail to the Chief' With Sting's 'Desert Rose'?

Veteran CBS Radio White House correspondent Mark Knoller reports that President Obama is relaxing more than the dress code at the presidential mansion. Pomp is giving way to piano-bar pop:
On Day One of his presidency, everywhere Mr. Obama went they played "Hail to the Chief" for him – but not since. In fact the U.S. Marine Band's duties at the White House over the last 10 days appear to have been dramatically downsized.

Instead of the usual contingent of trumpets, tubas and drums, a single piano player now provides musical interludes before and after the president's appearance.

And the tunes have little connection to the military marching music of John Phillips Souza [sic] that is the usual accompaniment to presidential appearances. These days the pianist's repertoire includes Cole Porter's "Night and Day" and Sting’s "Desert Rose."

"He's not a 'Pomp and Circumstance' kind of guy," says press secretary Robert Gibbs of the new president.

/or maybe he’s not a friend of the military

32 Clemente  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 11:55:27pm
...a seeker born every minute.

Great. Next thing you know they'll try to buy me a Coke.

33 redc1c4  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 11:56:04pm

re: #30 hro001

1. an open thread is just that.
2. the LNDT is the most open of open threads: in fact it is the Bret Farve of open threads.
3. although noble, his parents expectations were/are unreasonable.

34 Syrah  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 11:56:49pm

In the Next World, You're on Your Own

I had this album. The vinyl version.

I loved it.

Police Street is a riot.

35 redc1c4  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 11:58:07pm

re: #32 Clemente

Great. Next thing you know they'll try to buy me a Coke.

beter that then the Pepsi "refresh obama" campaign.

i vow i'll never willingly buy another Pepsico product.

36 freedomplow  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 11:58:18pm

re: #29 redc1c4

no sense of --------------------> adventure.

/different strokes

I can probably be found a few times disagreeing.

I'll say it again.

I like arguing with some friends about where we came from.

It puts the world in perspective.

37 Inquisitive  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 12:02:15am

re: #31 Killian Bundy

Informality Excess: Obama Replacing 'Hail to the Chief' With Sting's 'Desert Rose'?


/or maybe he’s not a friend of the military


I think you may be onto something...we'll just have to keep an eye...um an "ear " out.....

38 sattv4u2  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 12:04:34am

re: #37 Inquisitive

I think you may be onto something...we'll just have to keep an eye...um an "ear " out.....

Okay Van Gogh

39 BryanS  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 12:04:35am

re: #31 Killian Bundy

Informality Excess: Obama Replacing 'Hail to the Chief' With Sting's 'Desert Rose'?

/or maybe he’s not a friend of the military

This post makes me think of how cool it would be to have my own theme music like the president does...until I think how annoying it would be to have my own theme music ALL THE TIME.

I also am reminded of the lyrics made up for Hail to the Chief from the movie "My Fellow Americans"

"Hail to the chief, he's the chief and he needs hailing. He is the chief, so everybody hail like crazy.

Hail to the chief, if you don't, I'll have to kill you. I am the chief, so you better watch your step, you bastards"

40 Inquisitive  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 12:11:26am

re: #38 sattv4u2

Okay Van Gogh

////ahhhh....you may need to get your eyes checked.....I said ear "out"....not OFF

41 redc1c4  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 12:14:39am

re: #36 freedomplow

I can probably be found a few times disagreeing.

I'll say it again.

I like arguing with some friends about where we came from.

It puts the world in perspective.

that's okay: in a reflexive fit, i had confuseded you with "meat plow", a usenet regular.....

/white smoke

42 TheMatrix31  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 12:18:27am

Someone another board posted this in response to someone else asking why we hold Guantanamo in Cuba and not the US...

"Because if we kept them in the U.S. their imprisonment would fall under the Constitution. "

Is that true?

43 sattv4u2  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 12:18:59am

re: #40 Inquisitive

////ahhhh....you may need to get your eyes checked.....I said ear "out"....not OFF

'out" of what ,,,, cash? your pocket? your mind?

44 Inquisitive  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 12:22:21am

re: #43 sattv4u2

'out" of what ,,,, cash? your pocket? your mind?

WELL....I am out of cash....and some would say out ofmy mind....and I am out of here for the night....I SEEK....my pillow and nice warm bed

45 Edouard  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 12:23:27am

"This ... is a line of Indians leaving Rancho Malario, to make room for YOU! Here's the beautiful Trail of Tears Golf Course ... "

---Firesign Theatre

/always makes me crack up

46 redc1c4  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 12:26:12am

re: #42 TheMatrix31

Someone another board posted this in response to someone else asking why we hold Guantanamo in Cuba and not the US...

"Because if we kept them in the U.S. their imprisonment would fall under the Constitution. "

Is that true?

anyone taken prisoner in combat is under the Geneva Convention, and is, AFAIK, held to only it's standards. to wit, illegal combatants are entitled to nothing more than a battlefield tribunal and a firing squad.

the bullshit that such prisoners are entitled to Constitutional protections is legal sophistry, and flies in the face of years of international practice.

47 TheMatrix31  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 12:26:55am

re: #46 redc1c4

anyone taken prisoner in combat is under the Geneva Convention, and is, AFAIK, held to only it's standards. to wit, illegal combatants are entitled to nothing more than a battlefield tribunal and a firing squad.

the bullshit that such prisoners are entitled to Constitutional protections is legal sophistry, and flies in the face of years of international practice.

That's what I figured.

48 Erik The Red  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 12:27:11am

Morning Lizards on the Hopen thread.

A Mafia Godfather finds out that his bookkeeper has cheated him out of ten
million bucks.

His bookkeeper is deaf. That was the reason he got the job in the first
place. It was assumed that a deaf bookkeeper would not hear anything that he
might have to testify about in court.

When the Godfather goes to confront the bookkeeper about his missing $10
million, he brings along his attorney, who knows sign language. The
Godfather tells the lawyer, "Ask him where the 10 million bucks he embezzled
from me is." The attorney, using sign language, asks the bookkeeper where
the money is.

The bookkeeper signs back: "I don't know what you are talking about."

The attorney tells the Godfather: "He says he doesn't know what you're
talking about." The Godfather pulls out a pistol, puts it to the
bookkeeper's temple and says, "Ask him again!"

The attorney signs to the bookkeeper: "He'll kill you if you don't tell
him!" The bookkeeper signs back: "OK! You win! The money is in a brown
briefcase, buried behind the shed in my cousin Enzi's backyard in Queens !"

The Godfather asks the attorney: "Well, what'd he say?" The attorney
replies: "He says you don't have the balls to pull the trigger"

Don't you just love lawyers?

49 Erik The Red  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 12:30:43am

A distinguished young woman on a flight from Ireland asked the Priest beside her, 'Father, may I ask a favor?'

'Of course child. What may I do for you?'

'Well, I bought an expensive woman's electronic hair dryer for my Mother's
birthday that is unopened and well over the Customs limits, and I'm afraid
they'll confiscate it. Is there any way you could carry it through customs
for me? Under your robes perhaps?'

'I would love to help you, dear, but I must warn you: I will not lie.'

'With your honest face, Father, no one will question you.'

When they got to Customs, she let the priest go ahead of her. The official
asked, 'Father, do you have anything to declare?'

'From the top of my head down to my waist, I have nothing to declare.'

The official thought this answer strange, so asked, 'And what do you have to declare from your waist to the floor?'


'I have a marvelous instrument designed to be used on a woman, but which is, to date, unused.'


Roaring with laughter, the official said, 'Go ahead, Father. Next !'

50 BlueCanuck  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 12:32:26am

Thank you Erik. Your early morning funnies really hit the spot.

51 Erik The Red  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 12:33:54am

re: #50 BlueCanuck

Thank you Erik. Your early morning funnies really hit the spot.

Morning Blue. How are you dealing with that heat wave you mentioned the other day///

52 gmsc  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 12:37:48am

A man had 50 yard line tickets for the Super Bowl. As he sits down, another man comes down and asked the first man if anyone is sitting in the seat next to him.

"No", he said, "the seat is empty".

"This is incredible", said the man. "Who in their right mind would have a seat like this for the Super Bowl , the biggest sport event in the world, and not use it?"

Somberly, the man says, "Well... the seat actually belongs to me. I was supposed to come here with my wife, but she passed away. This is the first Super Bowl we have not been together since we got married in 1967."

"Oh I'm sorry to hear that. That's terrible. But couldn't you find someone else - a friend or relative or even a neighbor to take the seat?"

The man shakes his head, "No. They're all at the funeral."

53 Mel Lono  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 12:37:57am

re: #46 redc1c4

Red. if i didnt know better... i'd think you were a lawyer. We had sea lawyers too. There's a joke there, but i can't remember it....

54 BlueCanuck  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 12:38:01am

re: #51 Erik The Red

Heat wave is over. I think I saw a polar bear today.

55 gmsc  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 12:40:35am

No wonder the LGF servers were slow recently. One of the server hamsters was up to no good! Here's the news report:

56 Erik The Red  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 12:41:46am

re: #54 BlueCanuck

Heat wave is over. I think I saw a polar bear today.

I thought they were endangered? Guess glowbull warming and Gore must be wrong. Huh who'd have thunk that.

57 redc1c4  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 12:44:19am

re: #53 Mel Lono

Red. if i didnt know better... i'd think you were a lawyer. We had sea lawyers too. There's a joke there, but i can't remember it....

the (bad) joke is taking that sum prisoner and acting like they had more rights that a GI under UCMJ, especially since the GI get's his/her head cut off when captured, without benefit fo trial or consul.

i say we assign them all to the USCG Eagle on barnacle detection watch. %-)

58 TheMatrix31  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 12:45:43am

I REALLLLLLLLLY don't get this line of thinking;

----------

"And to say these people are less than people (your use of quotes) is exactly the reason they hate us and attack us. That attitude shows the rest of the world that we think we're better than them. And if that elitest attitude remains prevelant, the United States won't make it too much longer, guaranteed. The more you tell everyone that you're better, the more they're going to be gunning for you."
------------

59 freedomplow  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 12:46:48am

re: #41 redc1c4

that's okay: in a reflexive fit, i had confused you with "meat plow", a usenet regular.....

/white smoke

Still don't care...

See how good it works?

Some complete Darrel could type something from 24,499 miles away.

Not gonna let that bother me.

/You Bastard!

60 Erik The Red  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 12:47:08am

Three guys were talking in the local fun bar. The manager was so sure that its bouncer was the strongest man around that it offered a standing $1,000 bet that no could beat him.

The challenge was that the landlord would squeeze a lemon until all the juice ran out into a beer glass, then hand the lemon to the customer. Anyone who could squeeze even one more drop out of the lemon would win the money.

Over the years many people had tried this, truck drivers, weightlifters, karate masters, and all had failed. Then one day this geeky little fella with heavy black rimmed glasses came into the bar and asked if he could try the challenge.

After the laughter had subsided the landlord said that it was only fair that the man be given a chance at the bet, so he picked up a lemon and started squeezing. Once he was done he handed the remains to the little man who promptly squeezed out 4 more drops of juice onto the bar!

Everyone looked on in amazement as the landlord handed over the prize and asked "What do you do for a living that has given you such strength? Are you a lumberjack, weightlifter, what?" "No" the man replied, "I work for the IRS."

61 redc1c4  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 12:50:07am

re: #58 TheMatrix31

I REALLLLLLLLLY don't get this line of thinking;

----------

"And to say these people are less than people (your use of quotes) is exactly the reason they hate us and attack us. That attitude shows the rest of the world that we think we're better than them. And if that elitest attitude remains prevelant, the United States won't make it too much longer, guaranteed. The more you tell everyone that you're better, the more they're going to be gunning for you."
------------

?

what's your point?

62 Sharmuta  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 12:51:47am

re: #58 TheMatrix31

I REALLLLLLLLLY don't get this line of thinking;

----------

"And to say these people are less than people (your use of quotes) is exactly the reason they hate us and attack us. That attitude shows the rest of the world that we think we're better than them. And if that elitest attitude remains prevelant, the United States won't make it too much longer, guaranteed. The more you tell everyone that you're better, the more they're going to be gunning for you."
------------

Who said that? WTH is it in regards to?

63 Mel Lono  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 12:52:40am

re: #57 redc1c4

The proper term is known as keel-hauling, which was a particularly ineffective way of cleaning barnacles, although quite sufficient as a way for the Capn to maintain order.

A punishment which was particularly harsh and usually fatal was keel-
hauling, awarded for serious offences, and discontinued in the Royal
Navy about 1720. It was still practised in the Dutch and French navies
until 1750.

A Stout line was rove through a block on the lower yardarm on each
side of the ship. One end was secured under the arms and around the
chest of the offender whose wrists were secured behind his back. From
the other yard the line went under the ship, as a bottom line, and was
secured around the man's ankles. On the word of the captain the
boatswain ordered the man hoisted off the deck and clear of the
bulwarks; slack was taken down on the bottom line, and as it was
hauled in the line around the man's chest was slacked away. In this
way he was hauled under the ship, and came up on the other side feet
first. With both lines taut the man was slung in such a way that his
stomach, chest and face were dragged across the barnacles of the keel,
and in addition he was at least partially drowned.

64 redc1c4  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 12:56:54am

re: #63 Mel Lono

pretty much what i had in mind.........

red

65 Mel Lono  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 12:59:36am

re: #64 redc1c4

As a point of order, I've been aboard USCGC Eagle at Guantanomo. One of my best memories, Coast Guard and otherwise.

66 gmsc  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 12:59:41am

Here's a real ad. Watch it closely, and see if you can pick up on the joke:

67 TheMatrix31  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 1:02:16am

re: #61 redc1c4

?

what's your point?

It's not my thinking, lol.

re: #62 Sharmuta

Who said that? WTH is it in regards to?

Sharm, it's some guy on another board I visit. We're discussing Guantanamo and holding suspects, etc.

68 redc1c4  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 1:03:18am

re: #65 Mel Lono

As a point of order, I've been aboard USCGC Eagle at Guantanomo. One of my best memories, Coast Guard and otherwise.

as a sidebar to more pleasant things, have you been to your local TJ's for the Goslings Golden rum?

/it's enough to make ya wanna sieze the Eagle and start taking prizes. %-)

by the by, Slokat has a hull in Wilmington that he's gonna have to move up the coast one of these days, either when it's ready or the yard figures out he's out of cash......

69 redc1c4  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 1:05:22am

re: #67 TheMatrix31

Sharm, it's some guy on another board I visit. We're discussing Guantanamo and holding suspects, etc.

you might wanna be a bit more into the "quoted" scheme of things for this kind of post from now on......

70 Macker  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 1:06:10am

re: #29 redc1c4

no sense of --------------------> adventure.

/different strokes

Whatchoo talkin' 'bout...Wilma!

71 Killian Bundy  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 1:07:02am

re: #66 gmsc

Here's a real ad. Watch it closely, and see if you can pick up on the joke:



/by me

72 Sharmuta  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 1:07:03am

re: #67 TheMatrix31

M'kay. Does this person think the US is inferior then, and if so, why?

73 Sharmuta  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 1:09:08am

re: #66 gmsc

Can 0bama sue them for stealing his motto?

74 Mel Lono  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 1:09:37am

re: #68 redc1c4

Went thru two Goslings this weekend (with friends). If Slokat needs a hand, i'm available. not that great with a wrench, but can handle pretty much anything that sails. As for hulls, if it floats. i can keep it that way.

75 Killian Bundy  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 1:10:34am
76 freedomplow  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 1:10:38am

Here is the problem...

You don't know what happened more than I do.

Fact!

That is a fact.

77 TheMatrix31  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 1:11:25am

re: #72 Sharmuta

M'kay. Does this person think the US is inferior then, and if so, why?

He's basically saying that we shouldn't place our lives over theirs, those being held and not being tried. Saying it's almost as bad that they're being taken away from their families without a resolution on their fate, etc.

Red, yeah, I should have probably put that in quotes. Oh well.

78 Fenway_Nation  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 1:13:12am

I have to say that while the Guantanamo Bay detention facility is open, it's brought an unprecedented amount of attention to the issue of human rights in Cuba.

Unfortunately that attention seems to be focused on the US Naval facility on the southeastern tip of the island. Apparently Cuban political prisoners being held by the Castro regime can just keep rotting as far as the international groups are concerned.

79 gmsc  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 1:14:26am

re: #73 Sharmuta

Can 0bama sue them for stealing his motto?

Actually, they've been using that slogan since about 2005 or 2006, when they started a massive overhaul of the company.

I'm thinking they can sue 0bama!
(Maybe not, but it is fun to think about)

When I first saw the ad in #66, I was watching TV with friends, and I burst out laughing. I realized I was the only one who picked up on the joke. That's why I posted it, just to see who else would pick up on it.

80 Sharmuta  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 1:14:27am

re: #76 freedomplow

What are you talking about?

81 gmsc  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 1:15:23am

re: #71 Killian Bundy

/by me

I'll reveal the subtle joke in the ad after fruitcup, if no one's figured it out by then.

82 Killian Bundy  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 1:15:43am

Prince William's deployment to Falkland Islands upsets Argentina

Jorge Taina, an aide to Argentina's foreign minister, said the move would reopen debate about the future of the islands.

"This circumstance only serves to once again highlight Britain's ongoing military presence in land and sea areas that are part of the Argentine Republic's national territories," he said.

Argentina claims ownership of the islands it calls the Malvinas.

/hey, go ahead, stick your finger in the light socket again

83 Sharmuta  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 1:16:22am

Is that aguila?

84 redc1c4  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 1:17:17am

re: #74 Mel Lono

Went thru two Goslings this weekend (with friends). If Slokat needs a hand, i'm available. not that great with a wrench, but can handle pretty much anything that sails. As for hulls, if it floats. i can keep it that way.

well, we just have to get it up to Moro Bay, more or less..... and my 6 element can duel you on nav. wrenchs are my AO......wenches? not so much anymore.

at least with this crew, we won't have to worry about pirates. %-)

85 redc1c4  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 1:18:31am

re: #78 Fenway_Nation

I have to say that while the Guantanamo Bay detention facility is open, it's brought an unprecedented amount of attention to the issue of human rights in Cuba.

Unfortunately that attention seems to be focused on the US Naval facility on the southeastern tip of the island. Apparently Cuban political prisoners being held by the Castro regime can just keep rotting as far as the international groups are concerned.

well, what's wrong with that?

/white smoke

86 Sharmuta  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 1:20:33am

re: #77 TheMatrix31

Because bin laden would have sent a personal condolence to the families of these men had they died in a suicide mission killing school girls in Afghanistan?

87 TheMatrix31  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 1:21:38am

re: #86 Sharmuta

Because bin laden would have sent a personal condolence to the families of these men had they died in a suicide mission killing school girls in Afghanistan?

Precisely my point.

88 gmsc  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 1:21:50am

re: #82 Killian Bundy

Prince William's deployment to Falkland Islands upsets Argentina

/hey, go ahead, stick your finger in the light socket again

Maybe they could compromise by breaking up the islands into a British part and an Argentinian part. This could be a sort of "Falklandization" of the Islands.

89 slokat  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 1:22:47am

re: #68 redc1c4

Actually, should be down there this weekend... need to track down an elusive electrical grounding issue.

90 freedomplow  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 1:23:38am

re: #80 Sharmuta

Nothing goes on forever. Space must have a brick wall.

If a brick wall exists what is on the other side of that brick wall?

That is what I am talking about.

Don't like people trying to explain something that will probably never be explained.

Did I explain that ok?

91 BlueCanuck  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 1:24:08am

re: #81 gmsc

Possibly a little too subtle for me. But then again I was thinking, "wasn't that DIA?"

92 redc1c4  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 1:24:24am

re: #82 Killian Bundy

Prince William's deployment to Falkland Islands upsets Argentina

/hey, go ahead, stick your finger in the light socket again

fuck the wogs.............

come to think of it, what a great place to retire the Gurkha's.

93 Sharmuta  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 1:26:54am

re: #90 freedomplow

So- you're railing against physics?

94 Fenway_Nation  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 1:27:12am

re: #88 gmsc

Let's look at it this way....if you were a Falklandinian, would you rather get paid and conduct your business in pound sterling or the latest version of the Argentine peso?

/they've been through at least three or four in my lifetime, and I'm not exactly an old man

95 gmsc  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 1:27:19am

re: #90 freedomplow

Nothing goes on forever. Space must have a brick wall.

If a brick wall exists what is on the other side of that brick wall?

That is what I am talking about.

Don't like people trying to explain something that will probably never be explained.

Did I explain that ok?

This brings up one of my most-hated pet peeves.

The quickest way to get me to stop listening to you is to confuse the concept of something that is "unexplained" with something which is "unexplainable".

96 redc1c4  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 1:27:29am

re: #89 slokat

Actually, should be down there this weekend... need to track down an elusive electrical grounding issue.

so does that mean that you & your 6, as well as Blondie and me are going to meet at Mel's for drinks after w*rking in the yard or what? the Coastie might have some insight into shorts, even if he isn't Surfer Doc. %-)

97 redc1c4  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 1:28:34am

re: #88 gmsc

Maybe they could compromise by breaking up the islands into a British part and an Argentinian part. This could be a sort of "Falklandization" of the Islands.

give the Argies everything under the low tide line......

98 gmsc  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 1:35:00am

re: #97 redc1c4

give the Argies everything under the low tide line......

I don't think they'd agree to that. Just suggesting it might lead to some argy-bargy.

99 Mel Lono  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 1:35:24am

re: #84 redc1c4

Haven't been north of Pt Conceptcion since 1983. Last trip was on a J35 from SB to SD on a full moon night, with the rest of the race crew passed out below.

100 Mel Lono  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 1:37:03am

re: #96 redc1c4

They made us take EE at CGA but i'm better with Bermudas.

101 Killian Bundy  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 1:38:05am

re: #1 BlueCanuck

I am a seeker. I am constantly seeking for new knowledge. Well, and girls too.

/The Seeker

102 slokat  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 1:39:03am

re: #96 redc1c4

Sounds like a plan!

She's out of the yard and floating, I just lose all my DC power, radios & nav system when I disconnect from the shore. Even with fully charged batteries, and the engine running. The best I can figure is that I've got a disconnect in the ground wiring. I have a book with a series of test to do to isolate the problem. Unfortunately wiring is in tight places & goes from the batteries across ten feet to the main panel.

If I can get that part figured out, I need to motor over to San Pedro and fuel up. If weather is good might take her out past the harbor for a little shake down sail... Wind Tamer

103 Erik The Red  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 1:40:19am

The train was packed, and the U. S. Marine Walked the entire length looking for a seat, but a well-dressed, Middle-aged, French woman's poodle took the Only seat remaining.

The war-weary Marine asked, "Ma'am, may I have that seat?"The French woman just sniffed and said to no one in particular, "Americans are so rude. My little Fifi is using that seat."

The Marine walked the entire train again, but the only seat left was Under that dog."Please, ma'am. May I sit down? I'm very tired."She snorted, "Not only are you Americans rude, you are also arrogant!"

The next time the Marine didn't say a word; he just picked up the little Dog, tossed it out the train window, and sat down.

The woman shrieked, "Someone must defend my honor! Put this American In his place !"

An English gentleman sitting nearby spoke up, "Sir, you Americans seem to have a penchant for doing the wrong thing. You hold the fork in the wrong hand, you drive your vehicles on the wrong side of the road. And now, Sir, you seem to have thrown the wrong bitch out the window.

104 freedomplow  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 1:42:12am

re: #95 gmsc

This brings up one of my most-hated pet peeves.

The quickest way to get me to stop listening to you is to confuse the concept of something that is "unexplained" with something which is "unexplainable".


Perfect... I was hoping to piss you guys off./

Take care all of you. Just trying to have a little fun.

Outer space is still something I want to understand.

105 Killian Bundy  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 1:43:05am

re: #102 slokat

Wind Tamer

Boating, what memories.

/if you can afford that and the slip, you can afford an electrician

106 freetoken  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 1:45:19am

re: #90 freedomplow

Space must have a brick wall.

There are no brick walls in space.

However, there are some made out of alcohol.

107 redc1c4  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 1:45:49am

re: #102 slokat

Sounds like a plan!

She's out of the yard and floating, I just lose all my DC power, radios & nav system when I disconnect from the shore. Even with fully charged batteries, and the engine running. The best I can figure is that I've got a disconnect in the ground wiring. I have a book with a series of test to do to isolate the problem. Unfortunately wiring is in tight places & goes from the batteries across ten feet to the main panel.

If I can get that part figured out, I need to motor over to San Pedro and fuel up. If weather is good might take her out past the harbor for a little shake down sail... Wind Tamer

well, i did buy a meter the other day, so we have the tools on hand.......

108 Mel Lono  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 1:46:52am

re: #102 slokat

I suggest a simple trace. Power off all systems before disconnect from the dock power. Turn on one at a time. When one blows, that should be the fault unless a circuit is carrying too much load. Then try two at a time. And so on.

109 Mel Lono  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 1:47:39am

re: #102 slokat

Nice Pearson. Can't wait to lift one on her stern/

110 Killian Bundy  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 1:48:21am

re: #108 Mel Lono

I suggest a simple trace. Power off all systems before disconnect from the dock power. Turn on one at a time. When one blows, that should be the fault unless a circuit is carrying too much load. Then try two at a time. And so on.

/or break down and pay an electrician for a morning's work

111 redc1c4  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 1:48:26am

re: #108 Mel Lono

I suggest a simple trace. Power off all systems before disconnect from the dock power. Turn on one at a time. When one blows, that should be the fault unless a circuit is carrying too much load. Then try two at a time. And so on.

told you he was worth his weigh in /white smoke!

112 freedomplow  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 1:48:43am

re: #95 gmsc

This brings up one of my most-hated pet peeves.

The quickest way to get me to stop listening to you is to confuse the concept of something that is "unexplained" with something which is "unexplainable".

Thats a pretty bad pet peeve. How in the hell are you ever going to learn anything you don't know?

113 Sharmuta  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 1:48:46am

re: #106 freetoken

He's just intentionally being an ass.

114 Mel Lono  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 1:48:57am

re: #105 Killian Bundy

uh em. It's just not done that way/

115 redc1c4  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 1:49:19am

re: #110 Killian Bundy

/or break down and pay an electrician for a morning's work

why do that when you can consort with lizards?

/you must be union

116 Erik The Red  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 1:49:37am

The Preacher was explaining that he must move on to a larger congregation that will pay him more. There is a hush within the congregation -- no one wanted him to leave.

Jerry Smith, who owns several car dealerships in the city, stands up and proclaims, "If the Preacher stays, I will provide him with a new Cadillac every two years, and his wife with a Chevy minivan to transport their children!"

The congregation sighs in relief, and applauds. Not to be outdone, his brother Sam, who owns several rental houses in town, stands and says, "If the Preacher will stay on here, I'll let him and his family stay rent free in one of my rental houses, right down the block!"

More sighs and loud applause. Gloria Dingfelder, now age 88, stands and announces with a smile, "If the Preacher stays, I will give him sex!"

There is total silence until finally the Preacher, blushing, asks her, "Mrs. Dingfelder, whatever possessed you to say that?"

Gloria's 90-year-old husband, Ron, is now trying to hide, holding his forehead with the palm of his hand, and shaking his head from side to side. His wife smiles broadly and replies, "Well, I just asked my husband how we could help, and he said, 'Screw the preacher!'"

117 aussiemagpie  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 1:50:06am

G'day from Down Under to {everyone}

I've had a lovely few days visiting my son who lives in this gorgeous part of OZ

Surfers Paradise

Now it's back to reality, work, work, work....

Goodness I get some fruitcup tonight as I'm early! Yummo....

118 slokat  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 1:50:26am

re: #105 Killian Bundy

Yeah, but where is the fun in that?

Actually, I am a designer/builder of houses, cars, bridges, waterfalls, etc. and have replumbed/rewired/rebuilt boats for other people.

Just hit a problem I've never seen before. Had to go back and study DC theory, since I'm used to AC. That's why I'm fairly certain that it's a bad ground.

119 gmsc  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 1:51:04am

re: #104 freedomplow

Perfect... I was hoping to piss you guys off./

Take care all of you. Just trying to have a little fun.

Outer space is still something I want to understand.

You want to understand outer space, so you came to a political discussion board? That's an interesting approach.

When you go to purchase insurance, do you go to a shoe store?

120 Erik The Red  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 1:52:22am

re: #117 aussiemagpie

G'day from Down Under to {everyone}

I've had a lovely few days visiting my son who lives in this gorgeous part of OZ

Surfers Paradise

Now it's back to reality, work, work, work....

Goodness I get some fruitcup tonight as I'm early! Yummo....

G'day aussie. Still pissing off satan over there?

121 gmsc  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 1:53:12am

re: #112 freedomplow

Thats a pretty bad pet peeve. How in the hell are you ever going to learn anything you don't know?

By keeping the distinction between "unexplained" and "unexplainable" clear, for one.

It's the people who confuse the two that have the problem learning new things.

122 Erik The Red  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 1:53:45am

A man walks out to the street and catches a taxi just going by. He gets into the taxi, and the cabbie says, "Perfect timing, Mister! You're just like Frank."

Passenger: "Who?"

Cabbie: "Frank Feldman. He's a guy who did everything right all the time. Like my coming along when you needed a cab, things happened like that to Frank Feldman every single time."

Passenger: "There are always a few clouds over everybody."

Cabbie: "Not Frank Feldman. He was a terrific athlete. He could have won the Grand-Slam at tennis. He could golf with the pros. He sang like an opera baritone and danced like a Broadway star and you should have heard him play the piano. He was an amazing guy."

Passenger: "Sounds like he was something really special."

Cabbie: "There's more! He had a memory like a computer. He remembered everybody"s birthday. He knew all about wine, which foods to order and which fork to eat them with. He could fix anything. Not like me. I change a fuse, and the whole street blacks out. But Frank Feldman, he could do everything right."

Passenger: "Wow, some guy then."

Cabbie: "He always knew the quickest way to go in traffic and avoid traffic jams. Not like me, I always seem to get stuck in them. But Frank, he never made a mistake, and he really knew how to treat a woman and make her feel good. He would never answer her back even if she was in the wrong; and his clothing was always immaculate, shoes highly polished too -- He was the perfect man! He never made a mistake. No one could ever measure up to Frank Feldman."

Passenger: "An amazing fellow. How did you meet him?"

Cabbie: "Well, I never actually met Frank. He died and I married his damned widow."

123 Killian Bundy  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 1:53:58am

re: #115 redc1c4

why do that when you can consort with lizards?

/you must be union

I just don't like electrical fires/explosions. Boats with enclosed gas engines and generators are incredibly easy to blow up.

/especially beyond sight of land

124 redc1c4  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 1:54:10am

re: #119 gmsc

You want to understand outer space, so you came to a political discussion board? That's an interesting approach.

When you go to purchase insurance, do you go to a shoe store?

one can't be sure, but when he want's an intellectual ass kicking he goes to LGF, where they're handed out for free........

125 Sharmuta  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 1:55:50am

re: #121 gmsc

By keeping the distinction between "unexplained" and "unexplainable" clear, for one.

It's the people who confuse the two that have the problem learning new things.

In all likelihood- the same people unable to understand your distinction are likely the same who can't tell the difference between science and faith.

126 slokat  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 1:56:14am

re: #123 Killian Bundy

I just don't like electrical fires/explosions. Boats with enclosed gas engines and generators are incredibly easy to blow up.

/especially beyond sight of land

One reason we bought her was she has Westerbeke diesel (newly rebuilt, now) instead of a gasoline power plant.

127 redc1c4  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 1:56:33am

re: #123 Killian Bundy

I just don't like electrical fires/explosions. Boats with enclosed gas engines and generators are incredibly easy to blow up.

/especially beyond sight of land

diesel, IIRC, and we're, AFAIK, staying on the coast......

an exhausting boogie board paddle away to the surf line, at worst.

128 aussiemagpie  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 1:57:31am

re: #120 Erik The Red

G'day aussie. Still pissing off satan over there?

LOL! My pitchfork is right by the door....

The bushfire threat is still here although those fires in Victoria have been controlled

Bloody arsonists started those fires that destroyed all those homes - now if those ratbags ever get caught I would love to see the people from those towns have the opportunity give them their brand of punishment, rather than the usual slap on the wrist with a feather approach shown by many of our magistrates

Cricket news Erik....even the Enzedders beat our boys the other night

I say, bring back Warney :-)

129 redc1c4  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 1:58:28am

get yer fruitcup here, come one, come all, standardized for your protection,

130 Killian Bundy  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 1:58:57am

re: #126 slokat

One reason we bought her was she has Westerbeke diesel (newly rebuilt, now) instead of a gasoline power plant.

/and I assume you have a diesel generator, still five minutes of blower before you turn the key, fumes is fumes

131 aussiemagpie  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 1:59:21am

re: #129 redc1c4

get yer fruitcup here, come one, come all, standardized for your protection,

I'm lined up in the queue....

132 Erik The Red  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 1:59:30am

Dear Tide:

I am writing to say what an excellent product you have! I've used it all of my married life, as my Mom always told me it was the best. Now that I am almost forty and with kids, I find it even better!

In fact, about a month ago, I spilled some red wine on my new white blouse. My inconsiderate and uncaring husband started to belittle me about how clumsy I was, and generally started becoming a pain in the neck. One thing led to another and somehow I ended up with his blood on my new white blouse! I grabbed my bottle of Tide with bleach alternative, to my surprise and satisfaction, all of the stains came out!

In fact, the stains came out so well the detectives who came by yesterday told me that the DNA tests on my blouse were negative and then my attorney called and said that I was no longer considered a suspect in the disappearance of my husband.

What a relief! Going through pre-menopause is bad enough without being a murder suspect! I thank you, once again, for having a great product.

Well, gotta go, have to write to the Hefty bag people.

133 littleoldlady  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 2:00:10am

Good morning, afternoon, evening *everyone*!™

Fruitcup is on the buffet ------------------------>
Help yourselves!

134 Erik The Red  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 2:00:54am

re: #133 littleoldlady

Good morning, afternoon, evening *everyone*!™

Fruitcup is on the buffet ------------------------>
Help yourselves!

Morning lol. Thanks for fruitcup.

135 redc1c4  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 2:01:12am

re: #130 Killian Bundy

/and I assume you have a diesel generator, still five minutes of blower before you turn the key, fumes is fumes

figured that was a "gimme". i learned that back in the 70's with a then class mate who's Dad had a boat.

136 gmsc  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 2:01:39am

re: #133 littleoldlady

Good morning, afternoon, evening *everyone*!™

Fruitcup is on the buffet ------------------------>
Help yourselves!

Good morning!

Thanks for the fruitcup!

137 slokat  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 2:01:44am

Red & Mel - will check in with you later this week.

Time to go sleep.

138 redc1c4  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 2:01:46am

re: #133 littleoldlady

Good morning, afternoon, evening *everyone*!™

Fruitcup is on the buffet ------------------------>
Help yourselves!

only a *little* late.......

/ducks

139 Sharmuta  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 2:02:10am

re: #133 littleoldlady

Thanks!

140 Mel Lono  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 2:02:12am

re: #118 slokat

re: #127 redc1c4

diesel, IIRC, and we're, AFAIK, staying on the coast......

an exhausting boogie board paddle away to the surf line, at worst.

Red. i'm starting to like this guy. Does he have a BBQ on board that can handle a 20 lb dorado?

141 freedomplow  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 2:02:19am

re: #119 gmsc

You want to understand outer space, so you came to a political discussion board? That's an interesting approach.

When you go to purchase insurance, do you go to a shoe store?

I make my own insurance. Thought there might be some space worthy guys here.

Sorry, it's my passion.

I want a satellite to be launched north with a cool camera and a nuclear reactor that will last a few hundred years, It can send pictures of The Milky Way back from above.

That is something that NASA should be doing.

142 Sharmuta  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 2:02:24am

re: #129 redc1c4

Thanks! *hic*

143 littleoldlady  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 2:02:34am

Erik! :-)

gmsc! :-)

red! :-)

/I blame the computer...

144 Mel Lono  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 2:02:49am

re: #129 redc1c4

morning precious

145 Erik The Red  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 2:02:50am

A brand new store has just opened in New York City that sells Husbands. When women go to choose a husband, they have to follow the instructions at the entrance:

"You may visit this store ONLY ONCE! There are 6 floors and the value of the products increase as you ascend the flights. You may choose any item from a particular floor, or may choose to go up to the next floor, but you CANNOT go back down except to exit the building”

So, a woman goes to the Husband Store to find a husband.

-The 1st floor sign on the door reads: Floor 1 - These men have jobs
-The 2nd floor sign reads: Floor 2 - These men Have Jobs and Love Kids.
-The 3rd floor sign reads: Floor 3 - These men Have Jobs, Love Kids and are extremely good looking.

"Wow," she thinks, but feels compelled to keep going.

-She goes to the 4th floor and the sign reads: Floor 4 - These men Have Jobs, Love Kids, are Drop-dead Good Looking and Help with Housework.

"Oh, mercy me!" she exclaims, "I can hardly stand it!"

-Still, she goes to the 5th floor and sign reads: Floor 5 - These men Have Jobs, Love Kids, are Drop-dead Gorgeous, help with Housework and Have a Strong Romantic Streak.

She is so tempted to stay, but she goes to the 6th floor and the sign reads:

-Floor 6 - You are visitor 31,456,012 to this floor. There are no men on this floor. This floor exists solely as proof that women are impossible to please. Thank you for shopping at the Husband Store.

To avoid gender bias charges, the store's owner opens a New Wives store just across the street.

-The 1st first floor has wives that love sex.
-The 2nd floor has wives that love sex and have money.

-The 3rd - 6th floors have never been visited.

146 Fenway_Nation  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 2:02:51am

re: #129 redc1c4

get yer fruitcup here, come one, come all, standardized for your protection,

I'm not having your fruitcup ever again, red. Last time I had one, I had this horrible hallucination that the American people were stupid enough to elect some huge-eared doofus/used-car salesman from Chicago who had no idea what he was doing....but could read from a teleprompter

Thank goodness it was just some sort of narcotic-induced hallucination

/Whaddaya mean it wasn't?

147 redc1c4  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 2:03:01am

re: #137 slokat

Red & Mel - will check in with you later this week.

Time to go sleep.

same same here..... Mel, drop me another line, por favor.

red

148 littleoldlady  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 2:03:01am

Sharmuta! :-)

149 aussiemagpie  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 2:03:18am

re: #133 littleoldlady

Good morning, afternoon, evening *everyone*!™

Fruitcup is on the buffet ------------------------>
Help yourselves!

Hello {littleoldlady} and thanks for the fruitcup! It's way early for me to be here but as I'm procrastinating very well here with what I'm supposed to be doing spread around the dining room table, I'm going to enjoy this tipple (yes I've added some cold Aussie chardy)

150 Mel Lono  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 2:03:39am

re: #133 littleoldlady

morning maam, been fishing.

151 Sharmuta  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 2:04:08am

re: #146 Fenway_Nation

I find I need red brand fruitcup now more than ever, and will for 4 more years.

152 redc1c4  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 2:04:12am

re: #140 Mel Lono

re: #127 redc1c4

Red. i'm starting to like this guy. Does he have a BBQ on board that can handle a 20 lb dorado?

FIIK, but why would anyone eat fertilizer? we can buy steaks on land....

/white smoke

153 TheMatrix31  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 2:04:15am

re: #133 littleoldlady

Good morning, afternoon, evening *everyone*!™

Fruitcup is on the buffet ------------------------>
Help yourselves!

Another night of heartburn, another fruitcup....wheel in the sky keeps on turnin'....

154 Mel Lono  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 2:04:38am

re: #147 redc1c4

Got it.

155 littleoldlady  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 2:05:03am

aussie! :-)

Hi! Your procrastination = I get to see you!

win/win! :-)

'Morning Mel! :-)

Catch anything?

156 littleoldlady  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 2:05:46am

Matrix! :-)

/stay away from the grapefruit...

157 slokat  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 2:06:14am

re: #130 Killian Bundy

No generator at present, it's on my upgrade list, but have other things to work on first.

Thanks for your concern!

158 Erik The Red  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 2:06:18am

Woman's Prayer

Before I lay me down to sleep,

I pray for a man, who's not a creep.

One who is handsome, smart and strong.

One who loves to listen long.

One who thinks before he speaks.

When he says he'll call, he won't wait weeks.

I pray that he is gainfully employed.

When I spend his cash, he won't be annoyed.

Pulls out my chair and opens my door.

Massages my back and begs to do more.

Oh! Send me a man who'll make love to my mind,

and knows what to answer to "How big is my behind?"

I pray that this man will love me to no end,

And never ever attempt to hit on my friend.

Amen.


A Man's Prayer

I pray for a deaf-mute nymphomaniac with huge breasts

who owns a liquor store and a boat.

Amen

159 TheMatrix31  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 2:06:34am

re: #156 littleoldlady

Matrix! :-)

/stay away from the grapefruit...

Stay away from bags of Chex Mix at 12am.....

160 BlueCanuck  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 2:06:45am

re: #133 littleoldlady

thank you littleoldlady. greatly appreciated this time of the morning.

161 freetoken  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 2:06:55am

re: #133 littleoldlady

フルツカプ (fruitcup) を ありがとう。

Hmmm... I wonder if there are walls of fruitcup in space? Certainly would beat walls of bricks in space.

162 slokat  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 2:09:46am

re: #140 Mel Lono

We've been weighing the pros & cons of different BBQ's haven't installed one yet.

Good night!

163 littleoldlady  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 2:10:06am

BlueCanuck! :-)

freetoken! :-)

I don't know about fruitcup, but there are Jews on Mars.

/what the heck was that code?

164 Sharmuta  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 2:10:08am

The walls of space are made of peeps. It's just as good a theory as the next person's.

All I am saying is give peeps a chance.

165 aussiemagpie  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 2:12:16am

LOL!

I've just been reading Tim Blair's wonderful blog and found this gem

Tim Blair

I don’t know why everyone is so pleased about America getting a black president. Zimbabwe has had one for years and he’s s**t.

Wonderful.....

166 Fenway_Nation  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 2:14:19am

re: #165 aussiemagpie


I regret that I have but one upding to give to that particular comment.

167 Mel Lono  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 2:15:16am

re: #162 slokat

re: #162 slokat

Fair winds and following seas, my friend.

168 gmsc  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 2:15:21am

As promised, now that fruitcup has been served, here's the subtle joke from the ad in #66.

At the end, the narrator says, "Welcome to change! Welcome to the new Delta!"

It's a math joke.

In mathematics, you denote that a particular variable represents a change in something by putting the Greek uppercase letter delta (Δ) next to it. Change really is delta!

Formula for velocity? Δv = v2 - v1

In plain English: "The change in velocity is equal to the second velocity measurement minus the first velocity measurement."

In "mathspeak": "Delta v equals v-sub-2 minus v-sub-1."

169 Killian Bundy  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 2:16:18am

re: #115 redc1c4

why do that when you can consort with lizards?

/you must be union

That actually brings up a post yesterday morning from a Bar Association board I subscribe to.

Client calls lawyer and asks, how much to set up an LLC? Lawyer quotes an approximate price. Client responds, but I can fill out the form on the Secretary of State website for free.

My response, politely, would have been, why the [expletive deleted] are you calling me then? Go right ahead, do it yourself.

/I make way more money cleaning up messes than I do doing it right the first time

170 gmsc  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 2:19:16am

re: #168 gmsc

As promised, now that fruitcup has been served, here's the subtle joke from the ad in #66.

At the end, the narrator says, "Welcome to change! Welcome to the new Delta!"

It's a math joke.

In mathematics, you denote that a particular variable represents a change in something by putting the Greek uppercase letter delta (Δ) next to it. Change really is delta!

Formula for change in velocity? Δv = v2 - v1

In plain English: "The change in velocity is equal to the second velocity measurement minus the first velocity measurement."

In "mathspeak": "Delta v equals v-sub-2 minus v-sub-1."

PIMF.

It's sort of ironic I had to make a change in this post!

171 aussiemagpie  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 2:22:43am

re: #166 Fenway_Nation

I regret that I have but one upding to give to that particular comment.

Thanks for the upding :-)

I just love that comment and I'm saving that in my memory bank for any Obama lover I come across here....although it's hard enough combatting KRUDD (our own PM who shows Obamanistic tendencies)

172 Sharmuta  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 2:23:43am

re: #168 gmsc

So that wasn't aguila?

173 gmsc  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 2:25:00am

re: #172 Sharmuta

So that wasn't aguila?

Um, I guess not. Who or what is "aguila"?

174 Killian Bundy  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 2:29:20am

re: #168 gmsc

Change in delta V.

/probably going to be a change in trajectory too

175 Sharmuta  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 2:29:36am

re: #173 gmsc

Maybe I have the name wrong- what's that lettuce crap 0bama said was expensive?

176 Sharmuta  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 2:30:26am

Arugula?

177 gmsc  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 2:32:15am

re: #176 Sharmuta

Arugula?

Ah - got it! You mean in the drink? That would be funny if it was arugula!

178 gmsc  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 2:32:51am

re: #174 Killian Bundy

Change in delta V.

/probably going to be a change in trajectory too

You're right! Not to mention one more change in that post.

179 gmsc  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 2:39:49am

re: #174 Killian Bundy

Change in delta V.

/probably going to be a change in trajectory too

I take that back - "Change in delta V" doesn't sound right.

When you say, "Delta V", you're already saying "The change in V". So, saying "Change in delta V" is basically saying, "Change in the change in V", and that doesn't make any sense.

180 Killian Bundy  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 2:43:24am

TALIBAN FROM OUTER SPACE
UNDERSTANDING AFGHANISTAN

/read it all, this guy gets it, in terms moviegoers can understand

181 freetoken  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 2:44:00am

re: #163 littleoldlady

I don't know about fruitcup, but there are Jews on Mars.

"Rabbi Orson Vells"? - heh

Oh... you should have seen Japanese characters. Did they come out as something else?

182 Erik The Red  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 2:45:58am

An atheist was walking through the woods one day in Alaska admiring all that evolution had created.

"What majestic trees !

What a powerful river !

What beautiful animals!" he said to himself.

As he walked alongside the river he heard a rustling in the bushes behind him. Turning to look, he saw a 13 foot Kodiak bear beginning to charge toward him. He ran as fast as he could down the path. He looked over his shoulder and saw that the bear was rapidly closing on him. Somehow he ran even faster, so scared that tears came to his eyes. He looked again and the bear was even closer. His heart pounding in his chest he tried to run even faster yet. But alas, he tripped and fell to the ground. As he rolled over to pick himself up he saw the bear reaching for him with his left paw and raising his right paw to deliver a killing blow.

"OH MY GOD !" he pleadingly screamed.

Time stopped.
The bear froze.
The forest was silent.
Even the powerful river stopped flowing.

A brilliant light shone upon the man and a thunderous voice came from all around,
"YOU DENY MY EXISTENCE FOR ALL THESE YEARS. YOU TEACH OTHERS THAT I DON'T EXIST. YOU EVEN CREDIT CREATION TO SOME COSMIC ACCIDENT. DO YOU EXPECT ME TO HELP YOU OUT OF THIS PREDICAMENT? AM I TO COUNT YOU AS A BELIEVER? "

Difficult as it was, the atheist looked directly into the light and said, "It would be hypocritical to ask to be a Christian after all these years and under these circumstances but perhaps you could make the bear a Christian? "

"VERY WELL" said the voice.

The light went out.
The river ran.
The sounds of the forest resumed.

The huge bear dropped down on his knees, brought both paws together, bowed and spoke............
"Lord, thank you for this food which I am about to receive."

183 Killian Bundy  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 2:47:27am

re: #179 gmsc

I take that back - "Change in delta V" doesn't sound right.

When you say, "Delta V", you're already saying "The change in V". So, saying "Change in delta V" is basically saying, "Change in the change in V", and that doesn't make any sense.

/okay, sorry, so a change in an acceleration rate doesn't count?

184 littleoldlady  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 2:47:57am

re: #181 freetoken

I guess that's what some of it was. Also some numbers mixed in.

/Code Gone Bad! ;-)

185 gmsc  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 2:50:44am

A Christian was walking through the woods.

‘What majestic trees!

‘What powerful rivers!

‘What beautiful animals!

He said to himself and to God.

As he was walking alongside the river, he heard a rustling in the bushes behind him.

He turned to look. He saw a 9-foot grizzly bear charge towards him.

He ran as fast as he could up the path. He looked over his shoulder & saw that the bear was closing in on him.

He looked over his shoulder again and the bear was even closer.

He tripped & fell on the ground.

He rolled over to pick himself up but saw that the bear was right on top of him, reaching for him with his left paw & raising his right paw to strike him.

At that instant the Christian cried out, ‘Oh my God!’

The bear ate him.

186 Erik The Red  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 2:52:32am


YOU KNOW YOU'RE TRAILER PARK TRASH WHEN:


The Halloween pumpkin on your porch has more teeth than your spouse.

You let your twelve-year-old daughter smoke at the dinner table in front of her kids.

You've been married three times and still have the same in-laws.

You think a woman who is "out of your league" bowls on a different night.

Jack Daniel's makes your list of "most admired people."

You wonder how service stations keep their restrooms so clean.

Anyone in your family ever died right after saying: "Hey watch this."

You think Dom Perignon is a Mafia leader.

Your wife's hairdo was once ruined by a ceiling fan.

Your junior prom had a day-care.

You think the last words of the Star Spangled Banner are, "Gentlemen, start your engines."

You lit a match in the bathroom and your house exploded right off its
wheels.

The bluebook value of your truck goes up and down, depending on how much gas is in it.

You have to go outside to get something from the fridge.

One of your kids was born on a pool table.

You need one more hole punched in your card to get a freebie at the House of Tattoos.

You can't get married to your sweetheart because there's a law against it

You think "loaded dishwasher" means your wife is drunk.

Your toilet paper has page numbers on it.

Your front porch collapses and kills more than five dogs

187 Erik The Red  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 3:01:13am

re: #185 gmsc

Its a joke gmsc didn't mean for anyone to take offense.

188 freetoken  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 3:02:23am

re: #184 littleoldlady

/Code Gone Bad! ;-)


For some reason, the final character came across as UNICODE but garbled, yet upon entry on the form it looked fine. Do we have a bug somewhere in the LGF software?

189 The Other Les  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 3:05:56am

re: #9 average_guy

how can you be in two places at once when you're not anywhere at all?

He's a real nowhere man...

190 gmsc  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 3:06:50am

re: #183 Killian Bundy

/okay, sorry, so a change in an acceleration rate doesn't count?

When I post a formula for a change in an acceleration rate, it counts. So far, I haven't put a post anywhere on LGF that discusses that, however.

In post #168, the example was for a single change in velocity (only one acceleration rate):

Formula for velocity? Δv = v2 - v1

So, the two translations I posted below are correct:

In plain English: "The change in velocity is equal to the second velocity measurement minus the first velocity measurement."

In "mathspeak": "Delta v equals v-sub-2 minus v-sub-1."

191 Killian Bundy  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 3:11:42am

re: #190 gmsc

But you can have a change in Δv?

/no?

192 Shiplord Kirel  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 3:14:09am

This story is in spin-off links, but I thought it was important enought to bring here.

Iran puts first satellite in Orbit: agencies

Is this the "Sputnik from Hell?" That depends on what the media choose to make of it. Has Iran made a giant leap toward great power status, or have they pulled off a costly and irrelevant stunt by recycling ancient technology?

Iranian space program, background at Encyclopedia Astronautica

The rocket was named as "Safir" in today's announcement but is almost certainly the same as the "Shahab SLV" reported last year. This is a derivative of the North Korean No Dong IRBM, which is part of a huge family of rockets derived from the infamous "Scud" (R-17) which traces its own ancestry all the way back to the German V-2 of World War 2.
Fwiw, the first American satellite, Explorer, was launched just over 50 years ago on an American development of the V-2, the Jupiter C (aka Redstone MRBM)), and American Moon rockets were designed by none other than the V-2's creator, Wernher von Braun.

It would seem to be axiomatic that any rocket powerful enough to put a satellite into orbit around the Earth could also launch a warhead to the other side of the Earth, the burnout velocity being lower for the latter.
This is not really the case, however, especially for a relatively new program like Iran's.
Nuclear warheads have a certain minimum mass and a first generation weapon is likely to be quite heavy (the Hiroshima and Nagasaki bombs weighed on the order of 5 tons.) A satellite can be a great deal smaller. The aforementioned Explorer of 1958 weighed just 31 pounds and its ill-fated predecessor, Vanguard, was the size of a grapefruit and weighed just 3 pounds. With all the miniaturization of electronics since, today's Iranian satellite might be a glorified cellphone for all we know.

193 Sharmuta  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 3:17:26am

re: #192 Shiplord Kirel

But I had video. Do you think it's legit? Strangest take off video I've ever seen.

194 Erik The Red  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 3:19:29am

Bill Clinton and Al Gore go into a local diner for lunch. As they read the menu the waitress comes over and asks Clinton, "Are you ready to order?"
Clinton replies, "Yes, I'd like a quickie."

"A quickie?!?" the waitress replies. "Sir, given the current situation of your personal life I don't think that is a good idea.

I'll come back when you are ready to order from the menu."

She walks away.

Gore leans over to Clinton and says, "It's pronounced Quiche.

195 goddessoftheclassroom  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 3:20:00am

Good morning, Lizards. I use Firefox, and all my bookmarks are gone! Anyone else experience this today?

196 Killian Bundy  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 3:20:03am

re: #192 Shiplord Kirel

Well, assumming it can stay in orbit, we'll fly in undetectable formation with it.

/unless, of course, OBAMA QUEERS OUR UNACKNOWLEDGED CAPABILITIES

197 Erik The Red  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 3:20:41am

re: #195 goddessoftheclassroom

Good morning, Lizards. I use Firefox, and all my bookmarks are gone! Anyone else experience this today?

{Morning goddess}

198 Sharmuta  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 3:24:27am

re: #195 goddessoftheclassroom

Good morning, {goddess}.

199 goddessoftheclassroom  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 3:24:39am

{Erik the Red}


I restarted my computer, and the bookmarks are there now.

200 freetoken  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 3:24:42am

re: #195 goddessoftheclassroom

Just tried my Firefox (usually use Safari), and it works fine and all my bookmarks are ok... In fact, I've never had Firefox (or Safari) lose bookmarks.

HOWEVER, the bookmarks are normally kept in their own directory. If something happened to that directory on your computer before you loaded Firefox then Firefox wouldn't necessarily warn you, I think.

201 gmsc  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 3:28:08am

re: #191 Killian Bundy

But you can have a change in Δv?

/no?

I guess the problem I'm having here is trying to stay within the context of my post and your suggested change.

When I posted:

Formula for velocity? Δv = v2 - v1

..and claimed the translations were as follows:

In plain English: "The change in velocity is equal to the second velocity measurement minus the first velocity measurement."

In "mathspeak": "Delta v equals v-sub-2 minus v-sub-1."

You replied that the mathspeak translation should be stated as:

Change in delta V.

Since I was talking about change in velocity, not change in acceleration rate, this change was what I believed didn't make any sense in the original context.

Moving away from the original context of my post, and on to a newer and semi-related topic, yes, there can be a change in Δv.

202 Shiplord Kirel  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 3:31:12am

re: #193 Sharmuta

But I had video. Do you think it's legit? Strangest take off video I've ever seen.

Looks too fast but that could be the video. According to Encyclopedia Astronautica, liftoff acceleration would be just .5 G (thrust to weight ratio 1.5/1). LEO payload is given as 60 kg, but that is mostly a guess from the known characteristics of the various components. At that, it could carry a minimum size nuke (about twice the mass) to a target on the order of 6000 km away. It is highly unlikely that Iran can build a nuke that small, however. Once the rocket works, however, the next step is to upgrade its capability and it isn't much of a leap from there to a real threat.

203 gmsc  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 3:31:30am

Good night, all!

204 freetoken  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 3:32:21am

re: #203 gmsc

Goodnight... sleep tight... don't let the algebra bugs bite...

205 gmsc  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 3:34:30am

re: #204 freetoken

Goodnight... sleep tight... don't let the algebra bugs bite...

Are you suggesting going algebraless?

206 Sharmuta  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 3:36:10am

re: #203 gmsc

Good night!

207 BlueCanuck  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 3:37:52am

Morning {goddess}, night gmsc.

208 Sharmuta  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 3:38:18am

re: #202 Shiplord Kirel

I don't have much more to add to that other than it's a big, big problem for 0bama. Maybe he should write them another letter.

209 Kenneth  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 3:38:34am

re: #201 gmsc

Wow~ much as I love an early morning physics thread, I need some coffee first...

210 goddessoftheclassroom  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 3:39:15am

{BlueCanuck}

Good morning!

211 Kenneth  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 3:41:14am

re: #199 goddessoftheclassroom

Good morning, goddess otc.

Could you please add my mother to your LGF prayer list? She has liver cancer and has been told she has only a few weeks left. Thanks. I really appreciate your work in mainataining these lists.

212 Sharmuta  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 3:43:20am

re: #211 Kenneth

Oh, {Kenneth}! I'm so sorry.

213 goddessoftheclassroom  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 3:45:14am

re: #211 Kenneth

Good morning, goddess otc.

Could you please add my mother to your LGF prayer list? She has liver cancer and has been told she has only a few weeks left. Thanks. I really appreciate your work in mainataining these lists.

{Kenneth}

pre-Boomer Marine Brat emailed me your news yesterday, and I added her--and you--already. I am so sorry.

214 Erik The Red  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 3:45:27am

re: #211 Kenneth

Prayers being said. God bless.

215 MandyManners  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 3:54:11am

re: #211 Kenneth

(((((((Kenneth & family)))))))

216 monkeytime  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 3:55:40am

re: #211 Kenneth

Good morning, goddess otc.

Could you please add my mother to your LGF prayer list? She has liver cancer and has been told she has only a few weeks left. Thanks. I really appreciate your work in mainataining these lists.

I'm so very sorry to hear this Kenneth. Know that I will be praying for you and your mother.

217 Kenneth  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 3:57:21am

re: #212 Sharmuta

re: #213 goddessoftheclassroom

re: #214 Erik The Red

re: #215 MandyManners

To all of you my deepest thanks, from the bottom of my heart. Lizards really are the best.

218 Kenneth  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 3:57:40am

re: #216 monkeytime

thank you.

219 goddessoftheclassroom  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 3:58:19am

I've got to get ready for school. Have a great day.

220 NYCHardhat  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 4:00:39am

Good morning all. Looks like the O'Reilly thread got intense. traderjoe was blocked/banned and Charles called maddog an asshole.

221 Killian Bundy  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 4:01:01am

re: #211 Kenneth

Could you please add my mother to your LGF prayer list? She has liver cancer and has been told she has only a few weeks left.

That's pretty much a death sentence by status quo medical norms.

/still, she shouldn't give up without full knowledge

222 NYCHardhat  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 4:01:36am

re: #211 Kenneth

Good morning, goddess otc.

Could you please add my mother to your LGF prayer list? She has liver cancer and has been told she has only a few weeks left. Thanks. I really appreciate your work in mainataining these lists.

My condolences. I lost my mother to liver cancer on 2/13/2008. God rest her soul.

223 MandyManners  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 4:02:27am

re: #220 NYCHardhat

Good morning all. Looks like the O'Reilly thread got intense. traderjoe was blocked/banned and Charles called maddog an asshole.

He also banned maddog and his sock.

224 Erik The Red  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 4:02:59am

re: #220 NYCHardhat

Good morning all. Looks like the O'Reilly thread got intense. traderjoe was blocked/banned and Charles called maddog an asshole.

Didn't see traderjoe but maddog asked for it. Charles tried to put a stop to it before he went to far. Maddog had a melt down.

225 NYCHardhat  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 4:03:20am

re: #223 MandyManners

He also banned maddog and his sock.

I don't know how he does it. I would lose my shit.

226 aboo-Hoo-Hoo  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 4:03:25am

Talk about funny, Drudge reports: Obama has begun discreet talks with Iran, Syria

That really should read, 'Obama discreetly sells-out Israel to Iran and Syria' - somebody is bound to snap to it pretty damned quick.

Maybe.

Mornin folks...and do have a vunderful day.

227 Sharmuta  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 4:05:32am

re: #223 MandyManners

He also banned maddog and his sock.

I didn't realize there was a sock- thanks, Mandy.

228 aussiemagpie  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 4:06:01am

re: #211 Kenneth

{Kenneth}

So sad, and I'm so sorry about your Mum's illness, love and best wishes to you, your family and your beloved Mum

229 MandyManners  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 4:06:10am

re: #225 NYCHardhat

I don't know how he does it. I would lose my shit.

I'd have to replace my keyboard every six weeks or so.

230 3 wood  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 4:06:28am

Good morning.

Look for a soft open to the market. The futures are slightly down, the Nikkei and Hang Seng were down a but.

The market awaits more corporate profits news and car sales data. Just a wild guess, but I think the numbers will not be good.

231 MandyManners  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 4:06:32am

re: #227 Sharmuta

I didn't realize there was a sock- thanks, Mandy.

Maddog44 or something like that.

232 NYCHardhat  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 4:06:58am

re: #223 MandyManners

He also banned maddog and his sock.

Who/what was his sock?

233 NYCHardhat  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 4:07:17am

re: #231 MandyManners

Maddog44 or something like that.

Oh

234 Erik The Red  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 4:07:21am

re: #232 NYCHardhat

Who/what was his sock?

maddog44.

235 3 wood  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 4:07:23am

re: #211 Kenneth

You and your mother have my prayers. So sorry to hear the news.

236 Render  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 4:11:42am

I don't think any of the AQ Khan customers have the technical ability to design and build a nuke warhead that will survive the stresses of a missile launch.

Yet.

For now, they, (AQ Khans customers), use air or ground delivery systems. Which, in the case of ground delivery, may very well be the more dangerous option.

But I'm not entirely convinced that any of the AQ Khan customer base has actually, successfully, tested a working bomb.

Yet.

BIG
FIZZLES,
R

237 Sharmuta  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 4:12:46am

re: #231 MandyManners

I went and looked after you said that.

238 Jim in Virginia  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 4:14:03am

re: #192 Shiplord Kirel

Is this the "Sputnik from Hell?" That depends on what the media choose to make of it. Has Iran made a giant leap toward great power status, or have they pulled off a costly and irrelevant stunt by recycling ancient technology?


It's an excellent question. I've always assumed the North Korean nuclear program was mostly about getting attention (and cash.) The Iranian program is a result of rampnat Persian nationalism, religous fundamentalism, and anxety about the neighbors (Indians, Turks, Arabs, Russians, and Americans. ) Th eJews are just a handy PR target. It remidns me of 1930's Germany , with the twelfth Imam thrown in.
Hitler hit the soft targets first. If the Iranians get the bomb, I expect the first one to be lobbed into the Rub al Khali, followeed in five minutes with threatening phone calls to Riyadh, Kuwait, Ankara and the emirates.
Bush 1 was willing to fight to keep Saddam Hussein out of the Saudi oilfields. I don't see Barack Hussein Obama willing to fight the Iranians for that.
The global test is coming up fast.

239 aboo-Hoo-Hoo  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 4:14:08am

re: #236 Render

Except for Pakistan itself.

240 Jim in Virginia  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 4:14:44am

re: #211 Kenneth

{manly hug}
Prayers for you and yours.

241 Jim in Virginia  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 4:17:47am

re: #230 3 wood
3wood, what was going on yesterday? Basic fear and uncertainty? The Dow jones roller coastered back and forth over a fairly small range. No big rallies, no big drops.

242 MandyManners  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 4:19:24am

re: #237 Sharmuta

I went and looked after you said that.

Charles gave him a chance to stop but his ego/anger got in the way.

243 [deleted]  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 4:20:09am
244 Jim in Virginia  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 4:20:53am

Man, I wish I was fourteen again and my biggest stress was a crazy old man yelling at me to get my butt out of bed.

245 sattv4u2  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 4:21:14am

re: #244 Jim in Virginia

Man, I wish I was fourteen again and my biggest stress was a crazy old man yelling at me to get my butt out of bed.

Why would my father yell at you?

246 MandyManners  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 4:22:44am

re: #243 sattv4u2

Maddogs' , or Charles's?

I'm kidding,,,,, well ,, a little!

Why, you!

247 sattv4u2  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 4:23:27am

re: #246 MandyManners

Why, you!

Why NOT me ?

248 MandyManners  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 4:23:48am

re: #244 Jim in Virginia

Man, I wish I was fourteen again and my biggest stress was a crazy old man yelling at me to get my butt out of bed.

Have you thought about just letting him sleep and deal with the consequences? I doubt it would take many times for the lesson to sink in.

249 Sharmuta  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 4:24:35am

re: #243 sattv4u2

Not funny.

250 MandyManners  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 4:25:13am

Was maddog a man or a woman?

251 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 4:25:17am

Yawn...hi. Tried to sleep in this morning... but, some crazy old man kept yelling at me to get my butt out of bed.

252 sattv4u2  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 4:25:21am

re: #249 Sharmuta

Not funny.

Wasn't meant to be!

253 rightside  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 4:26:25am

Morning Lizards.

{goddess}

254 3 wood  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 4:26:32am

re: #241 Jim in Virginia

3wood, what was going on yesterday? Basic fear and uncertainty? The Dow jones roller coastered back and forth over a fairly small range. No big rallies, no big drops.

Swing trading.

You have hundreds of billions of dollars just sitting on the sidelines, waiting for the market to settle down. At the same time you have short sellers pounding away, while others are buying up bargains.

The Obama "stimulus" pork package is dead and everyone knows it, so many are now speculating what the next version will hold.

But the biggest concern is settling down the banking situation. The realization is slowly spreading that these Obama administration guys are not all that bright either.

The single biggest thing that could be done to improve the banking situation is stop the mark to market valuation. Think about it, if you were a bank, would you make a loan that you then might immediately have to take a write down on cause of circumstances outside your or the borrowers control? Even if the loan is being paid back on time you still would have to take a write down. Of course you would not.

So you would just sit there hoarding your cash and waiting for the things to change. But all the while the lack of lending causes the real estate prices to drop even further, and the economy to slow down even more.

That is what is going on.

255 sattv4u2  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 4:26:46am

re: #249 Sharmuta

re: #252 sattv4u2

Wasn't meant to be!

well ,,, a little !

256 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 4:28:27am

re: #254 3 wood

I didn't understand why the Bush administration didn't move on that either. Why not? Is there a Federal Tax Revenue advantage to the other way?

257 sattv4u2  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 4:30:05am

re: #256 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I didn't understand why the Bush administration didn't move on that either. Why not? Is there a Federal Tax Revenue advantage to the other way?

I'll ask Daschle

258 3 wood  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 4:30:54am

re: #256 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I didn't understand why the Bush administration didn't move on that either. Why not? Is there a Federal Tax Revenue advantage to the other way?

Casue they can't figure out da different valuation model to use.

Real tough there, open a Finance 101 text book and look up "Net Present Value of an Annuity".

I keep saying, theses guys are not all that bright.

259 3 wood  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 4:31:54am

By the way, shifting away from the mark to market cuts the amount of the toxic assets to be dealt with about in half.

It's a much smaller problem to deal with then.

260 Jim in Virginia  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 4:32:15am

re: #248 MandyManners

Have you thought about just letting him sleep and deal with the consequences? I doubt it would take many times for the lesson to sink in.

Not him. Her and her. I call every fifteen minutes. Eventually they get up. Just less time to primp and eat.

261 3 wood  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 4:32:16am

Got to go shovel some global warming that fell last night.

Later.

262 Killian Bundy  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 4:33:33am

re: #236 Render

I certainly won't tally North korea. Fizzle.

/people say gun designs are easy, work every time, I say try and deliver it without testing, we'll know either way, no secrets, wind, whirlwind

263 Spare O'Lake  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 4:35:10am

Good Morning LGF.
Anyone know the organizational affiliation, if any, of the "young protester" who threw a shoe at the Chinese Premier?
...the Western-looking man shouted, "This is a scandal..."

264 Jim in Virginia  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 4:36:38am

re: #263 Spare O'Lake

Good Morning LGF.
Anyone know the organizational affiliation, if any, of the "young protester" who threw a shoe at the Chinese Premier?
...the Western-looking man shouted, "This is a scandal..."

No, this is a sandal!

265 Killian Bundy  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 4:37:04am

re: #239 aboo-Hoo-Hoo

Except for Pakistan itself.

/you may as well assume that Pakistan has no nuclear weapons, can't mate the warheads fast enough

266 sattv4u2  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 4:38:22am

re: #263 Spare O'Lake

Good Morning LGF.
Anyone know the organizational affiliation, if any, of the "young protester" who threw a shoe at the Chinese Premier?
...the Western-looking man shouted, "This is a scandal..."

You have the story a little wrong. He shouted,,, 'This is a SANDAL"! he works for a high end casual footwear company and is pissed at Chinese knock-offs!

267 sattv4u2  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 4:39:04am

re: #264 Jim in Virginia

GMTA,,,, I just was slower for adding, as Paul Harvey says, 'The Rest Of The Story"

268 sattv4u2  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 4:40:07am

DON'T FORGET,,,,TODAY ,,,,,6 AM TILL 2 PM

Free GRAND SLAM Breakfast at Denny's

269 MandyManners  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 4:42:24am

re: #260 Jim in Virginia

Not him. Her and her. I call every fifteen minutes. Eventually they get up. Just less time to primp and eat.

Fourteen-year-old twin girls? Oh, goodness.

Still, I'd let them sleep and face the consequences.

270 Jim in Virginia  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 4:44:19am

re: #269 MandyManners
It's Estrogen City here.

I'm afraid of the consequences if they were ever both pissed off at me.

271 MandyManners  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 4:47:18am

FNC has O'Reilly on. He's dancing around the issue, playing the victim again. He won't say that he really said those words.

272 MandyManners  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 4:49:12am

re: #270 Jim in Virginia

It's Estrogen City here.

I'm afraid of the consequences if they were ever both pissed off at me.

Why not tell them that they should put on their big-girl panties and deal with the consequences of their own actions? I would've been supremely pissed at my parents for putting such a thing in my lap but, I would've got over it.

273 Render  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 4:49:15am

re: #239 aboo-Hoo-Hoo

They may not have either.

The persistent conspiracy theory is that the Pakistani produced weapons failed during the first round of tests in the second week of May, 1998. So the Chinese helped out by providing Chinese made weapons for a second round of test firings on May 28th 1998.

It's all but certain that the North Korean tests have been fizzles.

ANGELS
WINGS,
R

274 MandyManners  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 4:49:46am

He's gonna' do a follow-up tonight on his show.

275 Render  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 4:59:41am

I cannot believe that LGF is still getting hits from the Reuters IP.

WHY
FOR?,
R

276 razorbacker  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 5:01:09am

'Morning. Or would be, except that this is the deadest thread I've seen in a while.

277 Miss Trixie  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 5:01:48am

&#9834 &#9836 Good morning, {lizards!} &#9836 &#9834

More sinshine in the valley and that means much cooler temps. Thank goodness February's a short month and this winter is alllllllmost over.

{ { { {Kenneth} } }

Such sad news for you and your family. Prayers going up so that your Mother will not suffer needlessly and your family will be comforted.

278 opnion  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 5:02:37am

Good morning Lizards. Day fifteen, America held hostage.

279 snoozealarm  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 5:02:47am

An article on the recent Gaza operation by an Israeli soldier

Excerpt:

I saw the twelve year olds with missiles and RPGs strapped to their backs. We watched in anger as our bombs, so as not to fall on large civilian centers, fell on our own troops."

280 Macker  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 5:05:20am

re: #273 Render

They may not have either.

The persistent conspiracy theory is that the Pakistani produced weapons failed during the first round of tests in the second week of May, 1998. So the Chinese helped out by providing Chinese made weapons for a second round of test firings on May 28th 1998.

It's all but certain that the North Korean tests have been fizzles.

I knew about the Norks, but do you happen to have any links for the Pakistanis?

281 DaddyG  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 5:05:47am

re: #79 gmsc

Actually, they've been using that slogan since about 2005 or 2006, when they started a massive overhaul of the company.

I'm thinking they can sue 0bama!
(Maybe not, but it is fun to think about)

When I first saw the ad in #66, I was watching TV with friends, and I burst out laughing. I realized I was the only one who picked up on the joke. That's why I posted it, just to see who else would pick up on it.

I spy with my little eye - Arugala?

282 Gort  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 5:07:39am

re: #266 sattv4u2

You have the story a little wrong. He shouted,,, 'This is a SANDAL"! he works for a high end casual footwear company and is pissed at Chinese knock-offs!

The Beijing Birkenstalker

283 Miss Trixie  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 5:08:02am

{realwest} Morning, hunnie *smoochie-smooch* Hope things are well today with you and your mom. I can't stay as I have an all-day course to get to so I'll talk atcha later.

284 Erik The Red  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 5:10:58am

re: #278 opnion

Good morning Lizards. Day fifteen, America held hostage.

One foot left opnion.

285 DaddyG  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 5:11:19am

*sigh* A post late and some loose change short.

286 MandyManners  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 5:12:15am

$700.00 for eye glasses might seem high but, it depends on the prescription, frame and area of the country where you get them. I paid more than $400.00 in Denver.

287 MandyManners  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 5:12:34am

Gotta' drag The Kid into the day. bbl

288 opnion  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 5:12:47am

re: #284 Erik The Red

One foot left opnion.

yeah, then I'm out of business.

289 Irish Rose  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 5:13:10am

Good morning, lizards.

My mind is a blank this morning, need more coffee.

290 DaddyG  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 5:13:54am

re: #275 Render

I cannot believe that LGF is still getting hits from the Reuters IP.

WHY
FOR?,
R

They are fascinated by shiny objects. Keeps 'em entertained for hours.

291 Killian Bundy  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 5:15:47am

/a974, ten years ahead of it's time

292 Irish Rose  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 5:20:25am

Great.

I show up, and the thread dies.

293 Killer Tomato  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 5:22:32am

Well, it looks like Gregg's gonna take Commerce Secretary.
damn

294 DaddyG  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 5:23:16am

re: #292 Irish Rose

Great.

I show up, and the thread dies.

The threads not dead - we're just participating in the whole blank mind thing you got going on there.

Very Zen.

295 scottishbuzzsaw  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 5:24:54am

re: #211 Kenneth

{Kenneth}...very sorry to hear of your mother's illness. Thoughts and prayers are with you.

296 Irish Rose  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 5:25:51am

re: #294 DaddyG

The threads not dead - we're just participating in the whole blank mind thing you got going on there.

Very Zen.

Heh.
I'm slumped over the laptop with my coffee and a recipe book, trying to figure out what to have for supper.

Chinese takeout, I'm thinking.

297 Irish Rose  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 5:27:32am

Ewwwww, I forgot to add sugar to my coffee!

ack!ack!puke!

298 elevenbravo1969  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 5:30:05am

re: #293 Killer Tomato

Gregg reportedly struck a deal with his Dem governor...Dem governor promises to nominate a republican to fill Gregg's senate seat. This reminds me of the frog/scorpion story. We'll see I guess.

299 DaddyG  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 5:30:47am

re: #296 Irish Rose
Supper? So you are in Ireland? I thought your nic was a heritage thing as oppposed to a geographical thing.

What an age of miracles we live in! I just chatted with someone in real time who lives in a place my ancestors haven't set foot in for 100 years. All while choking down a dry bagel and checking my morning e-mail.

300 [deleted]  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 5:33:12am
301 Irish Rose  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 5:35:40am

Saw this today in the front page article on Fox:

Separately, Republican officials said they intended to press for a $15,000 tax credit for home buyers through the end of the year. Current law permits a $7,500 tax break and limits it to first-time home buyers.

I bought my home four years ago, using every last penny of my post-divorce retirement savings as a downpayment, to move my kids into a safe neighborhood with good schools.

Know what I got?

A house.

302 opnion  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 5:36:32am

re: #298 elevenbravo1969

Gregg reportedly struck a deal with his Dem governor...Dem governor promises to nominate a republican to fill Gregg's senate seat. This reminds me of the frog/scorpion story. We'll see I guess.

Seems like Gregg is trading down, this is a second tier Cabionet position.
Beside, unless he is a tax cheat, he will never fit in.

303 Irish Rose  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 5:36:46am

re: #299 DaddyG

Supper? So you are in Ireland? I thought your nic was a heritage thing as oppposed to a geographical thing.

What an age of miracles we live in! I just chatted with someone in real time who lives in a place my ancestors haven't set foot in for 100 years. All while choking down a dry bagel and checking my morning e-mail.


No, I'm here in the states.
I start my meal preparation plans early in the day.

304 Harry Tuttle  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 5:37:24am

re: #302 opnion

Seems like Gregg is trading down, this is a second tier Cabionet position.
Beside, unless he is a tax cheat, he will never fit in.

The fix is in.

305 Killer Tomato  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 5:37:44am

re: #211 Kenneth
Prayers.re: #298 elevenbravo1969

Gregg reportedly struck a deal with his Dem governor...Dem governor promises to nominate a republican to fill Gregg's senate seat. This reminds me of the frog/scorpion story. We'll see I guess.

This is the report from this morning.
http://www.wmur.com/politics/18623626/detail.html

306 DaddyG  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 5:38:06am

re: #303 Irish Rose

No, I'm here in the states.
I start my meal preparation plans early in the day.

Oops... still it is pretty amazing to chat with people all over the country in real time.

307 Irish Rose  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 5:38:20am

re: #300 taxfreekiller

NOW AMERICA YOU CAN MAKE A DIFFERENCE.

The storm clouds blowing between the U.S. Senate, the U.S. House, the President, the lightning of the Democrat commies and the Republicans in disarray. Now the seeds of new ideas have been scatter there within.

There were words implanted, ideas sown, bait taken.


NEW PLAN TO CUT THE COST OF ALL MORTGAGES TO A 4% RATE

TAX MONEY BUY DOWNS OF THE RATES ON REFI's, NEW LOANS ON EXISTING HOMES AND NEW CONSTRUCTION.

ALL GOOD IT CUTS THE COST OF ANY ONE WITH A HOME OR WANTING A HOME, GETS RID OF INVENTORY ECT. TONS OF NEW DISPOSABLE INCOME TO SPUR PRIVATE SECTOR SPENDING AND BOOST THE ECONOMY.

NOW WE MUST DEMAND THE HOME BUILDERS, BANKS, MORTGAGE COMPANY PEOPLE, REALTORS USE NOT ONE DIME OF ANY OF OUR TAX MONEY IN THIS PLAN TO HIRE, USE, CONDONE, FACILITATE IN ANY WAY THE HIRING, LOANS TO , ANY THING INVOLVING ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS.
Some will complain its "racist", but borders are color blind.

ONE TIME FIX OF IT ALL A RARE TWO'FER.

GET TO WORK


use Numbers U.S.A.'s web site to contact the house, senate and president

[Link:

308 opnion  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 5:38:21am

re: #304 Harry Tuttle

The fix is in.

Something seems odd.

309 DaddyG  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 5:39:15am

re: #308 opnion

Something seems odd.

Hang on to that thought. It will come in handy in the next few years.

310 saberry0530  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 5:39:15am

re: #302 opnion

Seems like Gregg is trading down, this is a second tier Cabionet position.
Beside, unless he is a tax cheat, he will never fit in.


Or a lobbyist!

311 Pianobuff  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 5:39:28am

re: #304 Harry Tuttle

The fix is in.

Article here.

312 [deleted]  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 5:40:32am
313 Irish Rose  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 5:41:06am

re: #306 DaddyG

Oops... still it is pretty amazing to chat with people all over the country in real time.

It sure is, the internet has made the world a lot smaller.

I talk with friends over in Europe, all of the time. They're usually getting up about the same time I'm going to bed.

314 opnion  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 5:41:19am

re: #309 DaddyG

Hang on to that thought. It will come in handy in the next few years.


Two tax cheats & a guy who fixed pardons for a fugitive & terrorists.
Culture of corruption?

315 Harry Tuttle  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 5:45:26am

re: #312 taxfreekiller

The Gregg deal does have the look, smell, and actions of a two party evil money cult some say.

One wonders what is being planned for when the fillibuster proof majority is secured.

316 opnion  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 5:46:24am

re: #315 Harry Tuttle

One wonders what is being planned for when the fillibuster proof majority is secured.

Declaration of a Peoples Republic.

317 Render  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 5:47:13am

re: #280 Macker

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

(With the usual "it's from Wiki" proviso)

"There are rumors that the weapons tested on 28th May were not indigenously produced. A fly-by of an American spy plane is reported to have picked up traces of Plutonium in the air directly above Chaghai. Pakistani Nuclear weapons till 1998 were made from Highly Enriched Uranium. The reason proffered for the detection of Plutonium is that an immediate test was ordered by the Pakistan government but it failed to detonate the indigenously built nuclear device. The Chinese thus supplied one of their own devices and the delivery time is the reason for the time lag between the Indian and Pakistani tests of May 1998."

=

[Link: www.fas.org...]

(with the usual John Pike proviso)

"Pakistani claims concerning the number and yields of their underground tests cannot be independently confirmed by seismic means, and several sources, such as the Southern Arizona Seismic Observatory have reported lower yields than those claimed by Pakistan. Indian sources have also suggested that as few as two weapons were actually detonated, each with yields considerably lower than claimed by Pakistan. However, seismic data showed at least two and possibly a third, much smaller, test in the initial round of tests at the Ras Koh range. The single test on 30 May provided a clear seismic signal."

"According to a preliminary analysis conducted at Los Alamos National Laboratory, material released into the atmosphere during an underground nuclear test by Pakistan in May 1998 contained low levels of weapons-grade plutonium. The significance of the Los Alamos finding was that Pakistan had either imported or produced plutonium undetected by the US intelligence community. But Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory and other agencies later contested the accuracy of this finding."

"Pakistan's nuclear program is based primarily on highly enriched uranium (HEU)."

===

Although Pakistan had a plutonium production reactor, it didn't go into operation until April of '98. Just one month before the Chargai-I tests. Certainly not enough time have produced enough weapons grade material for six bombs.

I can probably dig up a few more links if you need. But keep in mind it's all just rumors and conspiracy theory...

TOP
O MY
HEAD,
R

318 jcbunga  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 5:47:44am

The list of the unimpressed continues to grow. Now Europe isn't obeying The One:

EU attacks 'Buy American' clause
[Link: news.bbc.co.uk...]

Paris rejects 'Obama-style' stimulus program
[Link: www.iht.com...]

Don't they get it? He won. He's the President..

319 SasquatchOnSteroids  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 5:49:44am

Scrap workers find $128,000 in safe

An employee at Germany's Postbank had failed to take out the cash before sending the safe to the scrapyard. Spokesman Ralf Palm blamed "the carelessness of an employee when a branch office moved in December."

Shit, I could've payed a tax bill with that.

320 Killer Tomato  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 5:49:59am

re: #318 jcbunga

Well that can't be right - I thought everyone was going to love us now?
(Where's my unicorn? We need to discuss this.)

321 quickjustice  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 5:50:02am

re: #4 MJ

True as the quote is, P.T. Barnum never said "There's a sucker born every minute." [Link: www.historybuff.com...]

322 Irish Rose  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 5:51:02am

re: #318 jcbunga

The list of the unimpressed continues to grow. Now Europe isn't obeying The One:

EU attacks 'Buy American' clause
[Link: news.bbc.co.uk...]

Paris rejects 'Obama-style' stimulus program
[Link: www.iht.com...]

Don't they get it? He won. He's the President..

The partys' over.

323 Harry Tuttle  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 5:51:25am

re: #316 opnion

Declaration of a Peoples Republic.

"And he's going to need help . . . to stand with him. Because it's not going to be apparent initially; it's not going to be apparent that we're right."

-Plugs

324 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 5:51:38am

re: #321 quickjustice

True as the quote is, P.T. Barnum never said "There's a sucker born every minute." [Link: www.historybuff.com...]

And the modern public schools can build several more from those that didn't get born that way.


Good morning Lizard Nation!

325 Dustyvet  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 5:52:24am

re: #320 Killer Tomato

Well that can't be right - I thought everyone was going to love us now?
(Where's my unicorn? We need to discuss this.)

Two hunters were in a lodge, making small talk. One of them asked the other, "So, what do you hunt?" He answered, "I hunt unicorns."

The first hunter was startled, but said, "Really? How do you do that?"

The other answered "I find a virgin and hire her to help me. The virgin sits around in the woods until a unicorn comes to her. When it does, it sets off a snare."

The first hunter said "Boy, they must be hard to find. I've heard of them, but I've never seen one."

The second hunter said "Yeah, and there aren't many unicorns around, either!"

326 quickjustice  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 5:52:35am

re: #302 opnion

Senator/Commerce Secretary Gregg: We're now finding out who can be bought.

327 Irish Rose  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 5:53:07am

re: #319 SasquatchOnSteroids

Scrap workers find $128,000 in safe


Shit, I could've payed a tax bill with that.


How much you wanna bet the honest guys that turned the money in, make 8.00 an hour with no benefits?

328 Dustyvet  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 5:54:19am

re: #324 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

And the modern public schools can build several more from those that didn't get born that way.

Good morning Lizard Nation!

Morning LT...:)

329 Kenneth  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 5:54:32am

re: #297 Irish Rose

Ewwwww, I forgot to add sugar to my coffee!

ack!ack!puke!

That's funny, I get the same reaction when I find sugar my coffee...

330 Killer Tomato  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 5:54:32am

re: #326 quickjustice

Who can't be bought?
List would be shorter.

331 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 5:54:52am

re: #328 Dustyvet

Morning LT...:)

4 degrees of global warming here... how about you?

332 Nevergiveup  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 5:55:01am

re: #326 quickjustice

Senator/Commerce Secretary Gregg: We're now finding out who can be bought.

Well I can be bought. Any offers?

333 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 5:55:38am

re: #332 Nevergiveup

Well I can be bought. Any offers?

Pay you $5 to shovel my driveway...

334 quickjustice  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 5:55:41am

re: #259 3 wood

But isn't it true that you're merely changing the definition of "toxic" to accomplish this result? The fantasy remains that as the market rebounds, a toxic asset will suddenly become performing. That's what many banks are clinging to, not to mention the Treasury.

335 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 5:55:59am

re: #322 Irish Rose

The partys' over.

Hiya Rose! (purrr)

Rhetoric hits reality...

otherwise known as....

Overfilled water balloon hits unmovable object.

336 SasquatchOnSteroids  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 5:56:23am

re: #327 Irish Rose

I wouldn't take that bet. They're making an honest living, something totally foreign to most of the powers-that-be these days.

337 quickjustice  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 5:56:37am

re: #330 Killer Tomato

Being bought is one thing. Being bought for small change? Hah.

338 Dustyvet  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 5:56:44am

re: #331 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

4 degrees of global warming here... how about you?

Snow Showers Snow Showers
Hi: 15°
POP: 70% Mostly cloudy with snow showers likely. Snow accumulation up to 2 inches with locally higher amounts of 4 inches near the lake. Blustery...Colder. Highs 13 to 17. Wind chills as low as 5 below to 15 below zero. Northwest winds 15 to 25 mph. Gusts up to 30 mph in the late morning and afternoon. Chance of precipitation 70 percent.

339 Kenneth  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 5:56:52am

re: #330 Killer Tomato

Who can't be bought?
List would be shorter.

Everybody knows Democrats can be bought. Republicans, on the other hand, cannot be bought. However, for the right price you can rent one.

340 Nevergiveup  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 5:57:33am

re: #333 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

Pay you $5 to shovel my driveway...

Believe if I were near ya, I'd do it for free.

341 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 5:57:54am

re: #338 Dustyvet

Snow Showers Snow Showers
Hi: 15°
POP: 70% Mostly cloudy with snow showers likely. Snow accumulation up to 2 inches with locally higher amounts of 4 inches near the lake. Blustery...Colder. Highs 13 to 17. Wind chills as low as 5 below to 15 below zero. Northwest winds 15 to 25 mph. Gusts up to 30 mph in the late morning and afternoon. Chance of precipitation 70 percent.

Cheater...

342 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 5:58:35am

re: #340 Nevergiveup

Believe if I were near ya, I'd do it for free.

Heh... you'd change your mind after you saw it, but thanks for the thought. :-)

343 Dustyvet  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 5:58:45am

re: #341 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

Cheater...

LOL...:)

344 Killer Tomato  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 5:59:17am

re: #339 Kenneth

Everybody knows Democrats can be bought. Republicans, on the other hand, cannot be bought. However, for the right price you can rent one.

Do they do windows?

345 Dustyvet  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 5:59:33am

re: #342 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

Heh... you'd change your mind after you saw it, but thanks for the thought. :-)

Oh a real long ,long, long drive way...:)

346 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 6:00:06am

re: #344 Killer Tomato

Do they do windows?

They're not hipenough for Macs.

347 MJ  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 6:00:25am

Painting on eBay of a naked Obama with his Unicorn:

You are warned:

[Link: cgi.ebay.com...]

348 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 6:00:30am

re: #345 Dustyvet

Oh a real long ,long, long drive way...:)

Not that long, but it does make a loop with my neighbor and it hasn't been cleared all winter...

349 Killer Tomato  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 6:01:06am

re: #346 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

OK - that was funny
:D

350 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 6:02:02am

re: #346 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

They're not hip enough for Macs.

damn space bar...

351 Dustyvet  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 6:02:24am

re: #348 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

Not that long, but it does make a loop with my neighbor and it hasn't been cleared all winter...

Otays...:) get the bulldozer...:)

352 sattv4u2  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 6:03:01am

re: #350 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

damn space bar lack of opposable thumbs...

blame the space bar! feh ,,,

353 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 6:03:02am

re: #347 MJ

Painting on eBay of a naked Obama with his Unicorn:

You are warned:

[Link: cgi.ebay.com...]

That is unusual... looks like they are really friendly if you catch my drift.

Weird.

354 gregg  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 6:03:08am

re: #301 Irish Rose

Saw this today in the front page article on Fox:

I bought my home four years ago, using every last penny of my post-divorce retirement savings as a downpayment, to move my kids into a safe neighborhood with good schools.

Know what I got?

A house.

I bought my house three years ago. Based on what's happening in Washington, I think it's time to stop paying my mortgage (to qualify for relief) and to stop paying my taxes (because apparently I'm one of the few who do).

355 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 6:03:38am

re: #351 Dustyvet

Otays...:) get the bulldozer...:)

Now yer talkin'

356 Dustyvet  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 6:04:08am

re: #353 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

That is unusual... looks like they are really friendly if you catch my drift.

Weird.

Really, really, really good friends...

357 sattv4u2  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 6:04:18am

re: #354 gregg

I bought my house three years ago. Based on what's happening in Washington, I think it's time to stop paying my mortgage (to qualify for relief) and to stop paying my taxes (because apparently I'm one of the few who do).


You're on the fast track to a cabinet position

358 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 6:04:41am

re: #356 Dustyvet

Really, really, really good friends...

Is that a horn on your head, or....

359 Killer Tomato  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 6:05:19am

re: #354 gregg

Judd, is that you?!

360 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 6:05:40am

Wow... these Porkulis poll numbers should be scaring the hell out of the party that knows what it thinks based on the poll numbers.

361 quickjustice  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 6:05:40am

re: #354 gregg

No. You do those things to qualify for the cabinet. ;-)

362 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 6:05:52am

I'd take a 4% mortgage, btw.

363 Irish Rose  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 6:06:18am

re: #354 gregg

I bought my house three years ago. Based on what's happening in Washington, I think it's time to stop paying my mortgage (to qualify for relief) and to stop paying my taxes (because apparently I'm one of the few who do).

I hear ya.

364 quickjustice  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 6:06:43am

re: #357 sattv4u2

Great minds think alike, and fools seldom differ! ;-)

365 Kenneth  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 6:07:11am

Netanyahu promises to topple Hamas regime in Gaza if elected

A good idea, but is it a good idea to say it publicly?

366 MJ  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 6:07:12am

More naked Obama with unicorn paintings. This one also has a naked Rush Limbaugh...

[Link: shop.ebay.com...]

367 sattv4u2  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 6:07:22am

re: #362 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I'd take a 4% mortgage, btw.

Great. Mines 4.68%. Start making the 4%payments for me, I'll cover the rest!

368 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 6:07:37am

Where's 3-Wood?

I need to see a good graph of the prime rate for the last 6 months and year...

369 Dustyvet  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 6:08:27am

Secretary of War:
Gentlemen! Gentlemen! Enough of this. How about taking up the tax?
Firefly:
How about taking up the carpet?
Secretary of War:
I still insist we must take up the tax.
Firefly:
He's right. You've got to take up the tacks before you can take up the carpet.

370 jcbunga  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 6:08:28am

re: #331 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

4 degrees of global warming here... how about you?

Snowing in Northern Virginia.

No waiting on the 1st tee at Global Warming Golf and Country Club.

371 Irish Rose  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 6:08:50am

re: #366 MJ

More naked Obama with unicorn paintings. This one also has a naked Rush Limbaugh...

[Link: shop.ebay.com...]


OMFG!
Don't look, people.

Where the hell did I put that bottle of brainbleach?

372 quickjustice  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 6:09:23am

re: #369 Dustyvet

Sounds like Marx Brothers. Or in the current White House, is that Karl Marx? ;-)

373 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 6:09:27am

re: #370 jcbunga

Snowing in Northern Virginia.

No waiting on the 1st tee at Global Warming Golf and Country Club.

Bring your own orange balls...

374 Dustyvet  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 6:09:57am

re: #372 quickjustice

Sounds like Marx Brothers. Or in the current White House, is that Karl Marx? ;-)

Chicolini:
Hey, I got an uncle lives in Taxes.
Minister of Finance:
No, I'm talking about taxes - money, dollars.
Chicolini:
Dollas! There's-a where my uncle lives. Dollas, Taxes!
Minister of Finance:
Aww!

375 Irish Rose  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 6:10:20am

re: #373 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

Bring your own orange blue balls...

Fixed.

376 Kenneth  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 6:10:46am

re: #371 Irish Rose

I like this one:

I Voted Obama!
Now where's my unicorn?

377 sattv4u2  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 6:11:11am

re: #375 Irish Rose

Fixed.

You fix blue balls? I'll take a noon appointment, please!

378 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 6:11:18am

re: #375 Irish Rose

Fixed.

We're talking about golf, right?

379 Lincolntf  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 6:12:25am

re: #365 Kenneth

Wow. He hasn't left himself much wiggle room has he?

Morning all.

380 Nevergiveup  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 6:13:22am

re: #365 Kenneth

Netanyahu promises to topple Hamas regime in Gaza if elected

A good idea, but is it a good idea to say it publicly?

Well nobody ever said Bibi was a genius?

381 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 6:13:28am

re: #360 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

Wow... these Porkulis poll numbers should be scaring the hell out of the party that knows what it thinks based on the poll numbers.

Poll numbers? Linky please.

382 DeafDog  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 6:13:44am

re: #369 Dustyvet

Secretary of War:
Gentlemen! Gentlemen! Enough of this. How about taking up the tax?
Firefly:
How about taking up the carpet?
Secretary of War:
I still insist we must take up the tax.
Firefly:
He's right. You've got to take up the tacks before you can take up the carpet.


We must increase Taxes!

I had an uncle from Texas.

Not Texas, you fool, Taxes! As in Dollars!

Dallas, Texas. That's where my uncle lived.

383 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 6:14:28am

re: #380 Nevergiveup

Well nobody ever said Bibi was a genius?

Maybe he should change his name to Homer Netanyahu.

/d'oh!

384 Irish Rose  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 6:14:39am

re: #377 sattv4u2

You fix blue balls? I'll take a noon appointment, please!

Heh.

385 DeafDog  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 6:14:41am

re: #374 Dustyvet

You beat me to it!

386 Lincolntf  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 6:15:04am

Manny Ramirez just turned down a $25 million, 1-year offer from the Dodgers. Oy vey.

387 DeafDog  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 6:15:44am

re: #376 Kenneth

I like this one:

I Voted Obama!
Now where's my unicorn?

Is it fair that unicorns get all the attention and pegasuses are ignored?

388 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 6:16:58am

re: #381 Ward Cleaver

Poll numbers? Linky please.

Reported on FNC this morning, I think this is the hard copy of the same poll.

389 sattv4u2  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 6:19:45am

[Link: news.yahoo.com...]

Holder will inherit a Justice Department wracked by Bush administration scandals over politically inspired hirings and firings. He has pledged to restore its reputation.

GAHHHH ,,, Holder IS a "politically inspired hire"

390 Macker  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 6:20:19am

re: #302 opnion

Unless he is a RINO?

391 realwest  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 6:20:53am

Good morning Y'all - from a frigid (28 degrees going up to 43 degrees), bright and sunny Charlotte!
I hope you are all doing well today.

And for all you "old-timers" out there, this is the offical day marking the 50th anniversary of the day the music died: [Link: www.imeem.com...]

392 DeafDog  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 6:21:20am

re: #389 sattv4u2

[Link: news.yahoo.com...]

Holder will inherit a Justice Department wracked by Bush administration scandals over politically inspired hirings and firings. He has pledged to restore its reputation.

GAHHHH ,,, Holder IS a "politically inspired hire"

This logice is an endless circle. Did Bush inherit a justice department wrecked by politically inspired hirings and firings from Clinton?

393 Macker  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 6:21:24am

re: #387 DeafDog

Is it fair that unicorns get all the attention and pegasuses pegasi are ignored?

There, fixed that for ya!

394 quickjustice  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 6:21:51am

re: #389 sattv4u2

Out with the old rascals! In with the new rascals! ;-)

395 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 6:22:19am

re: #391 realwest

Good morning Real!

I'll trade you for your weather. Doing well here, how are things with you?

396 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 6:22:47am

re: #394 quickjustice

Out with the old rascals! In with the new rascals! ;-)

Hey... Spanky was my hero.

397 godfrey  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 6:23:23am

Morning, lizards.

Both the Euro and Pound have been dropping against the dollar for a while now. Euro is at 1.28 and GBP, 1.4. I expect we'll see that continue for a while.

398 sattv4u2  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 6:23:30am

re: #396 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

Hey... Spanky was my hero.

Darla was a groupie!

399 MJ  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 6:23:51am

New York Times shilling for Carter's home town:

Hometown With a Past Wins Welcome Reprieve
[Link: www.nytimes.com...]

What's amazing is how few people go and visit there:

"Last year, only 56,000 people stopped there, compared with an average of 1.1 million people at each of the other facilities."

I'm certain the MacDonald's near my home draws that many people per day...

400 realwest  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 6:25:44am

re: #388 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret) Hey LT! How are you today? On Fox and Friends they reported that 54% of Americans doubted that the stimulus plan would help the economy and that was because the same 54% thought there was too much pork in it - F&F didn't report the source or I didn't hear it, but I remember those numbers FOR SURE!
And just in case some of y'all don't like American Pie, try this one on: [Link: www.imeem.com...]
And a shout out to Buddy Holly - you made most of today's music possible. Thanks and RIP.

401 Render  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 6:25:58am

re: #380 Nevergiveup

I like Bibi.

AMONG
THE
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402 Lincolntf  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 6:26:16am

re: #399 MJ

I'll try to swing by next time I'm down that way. I hear the Hall of Sweaters just can't be missed.

403 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 6:27:07am

re: #399 MJ

New York Times shilling for Carter's home town:

Hometown With a Past Wins Welcome Reprieve
[Link: www.nytimes.com...]

What's amazing is how few people go and visit there:

"Last year, only 56,000 people stopped there, compared with an average of 1.1 million people at each of the other facilities."

I'm certain the MacDonald's near my home draws that many people per day...

Ha!

When I was at Ft. Benning I convinced three other guys (one of whom had a little pick up truck) to do a road trip back in 1982. We took in Andersonville and Plains GA.

Plains was a very small town with an enormous grain elevator filled with peanuts. I recall that and dirt roads.

Andersonville was far more interesting.

404 Ford_Prefect  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 6:27:08am

Good Morning Lizards! From the home state of the #1 Men's and Women's NCAA Basketball teams. Go UCONN Huskies!

405 Pullus Iulius  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 6:27:12am

A couple of things about the Iranian "satellite" launch video bother me. First, the rocket viewed at 0:02 on the video isn't the same one as shown at 0:03. Using the high pressure gas vent plume at the top of the first stage as a reference point in each case (though admittedly at differing camera angles), the second stage of the rocket at 0:03 is quite a bit longer than the one shown at 0:02. Then, at 0:13, we bounce back to the launch of the shorter one. My opinion, anyway. Second, if it's the first launch of an indigenous orbital satellite, why launch it at night, with all the attendant visibility and photographic analysis difficulties? The rule here is for new programs to launch in daylight. Ditto for the USSR, France, and even North Korea (for instance, the failed Taipodong went up at 3:07 GMT, 12:07 local time). I think the Iranians are splicing together night videos for the same reason that film directors like night shots with wet streets - it helps eliminate continuity problems between film takes.
I think what we're seeing is footage from a couple of developmental IRBM tests. And IRBM delivery systems are a waste of capacity without a high-payback payload. Like a nuke. Not what's being advertised here. Otherwise, release the tracking data.

406 Dustyvet  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 6:27:30am

re: #396 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

Hey... Spanky was my hero.

407 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 6:27:57am

re: #400 realwest

My #388 links to the source.

408 realwest  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 6:28:09am

re: #398 sattv4u2
Figures YOU'D say that! I always thought Darla was hot!
Um, well, as hot a my 10 year old mind would take it, anyway!

409 sattv4u2  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 6:28:47am

re: #399 MJ

“Had it not been for Carter, regardless of how you feel about his reign as president, Georgia wouldn’t be on the minds of the multitudes of tourists who venture into our great state.”

Yeah, because Atlanta (home of Coca Cola, Delta, UPS, Home Depot, Aflac, The Southern Co. CNN, etc etc,,, ) don't draw crowds. Plains GA does !

410 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 6:29:41am

re: #406 Dustyvet

That's the guy... :-)

411 Pianobuff  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 6:29:43am

Sing to the tune of Taxman

One, two, three, four...
Hrmm!
One, two, (one, two, three, four!)

Let us tell you how it will be;
There's one for you, nineteen for me.
'Cause we’re the tax cheats,
Yeah, we’re the tax cheats.

Should penalty-free appear too small,
Be thankful we re-filed at all.
'Cause we’re the tax cheats,
Yeah, we’re the taxcheats.

(if we get a car, car;) – deduct the seat;
(if it’s lobbying, ing) – there’s no receipt;
(if it’s summer camp, camp) – write off the heat;
(It’s ours not yours, yours) – cause we’re elite.

Tax cheat!

'Cause we’re the tax cheats,
Yeah, we’re the tax cheats.

Don't ask me what we want it for, (ah-ah, mister Geithner)
Be happy we’re not cheating more. (ah-ah, mister Tom)
'Cause we’re the tax cheats,
Yeah, we’re the tax cheats.

Now our advice for those who bitch, (tax cheats)
Confirm us now and keep us rich. (tax cheats)
'Cause we’re the tax cheats,
Yeah, we’re the tax cheats.

And you're working for no one but us.

Tax Cheats!

412 sattv4u2  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 6:29:47am

re: #403 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

Ha!

When I was at Ft. Benning I convinced three other guys (one of whom had a little pick up truck) to do a road trip back in 1982. We took in Andersonville and Plains GA.

Plains was a very small town with an enormous grain elevator filled with peanuts. I recall that and dirt roads.

Andersonville was far more interesting.


Belly Button lint is far more interesting!

413 MJ  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 6:30:04am

re: #402 Lincolntf

I'll try to swing by next time I'm down that way. I hear the Hall of Sweaters just can't be missed.

They should convince Madame Tussuad's to build a wax museum down there. The can do life-sized figures of all the dictators that Carter has defended over the years: "Dictators I Have Come to Know and Love".

414 Sheila Broflovski  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 6:30:57am

re: #399 MJ

New York Times shilling for Carter's home town:

Hometown With a Past Wins Welcome Reprieve
[Link: www.nytimes.com...]

What's amazing is how few people go and visit there:

"Last year, only 56,000 people stopped there, compared with an average of 1.1 million people at each of the other facilities."

I'm certain the MacDonald's near my home draws that many people per day...

It must be the barbed wire stretched across the road.

415 Dustyvet  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 6:31:29am

re: #410 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

That's the guy... :-)

Friends, Romans, Countrymen!...

416 Ford_Prefect  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 6:31:34am

Soundbite of the week from Laura Ingraham's website:

We are not rich like y'all, that is one thing you will have to understand, that one day this year we will be, because we have Barack Obama.
-- Obama supporter whose car was being repossessed

Not only will Barack pay off your mortgage, he will make you rich as well. We sure are lucky to have him! //

417 Nevergiveup  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 6:32:18am

The EU has increased its pressure on the US to reconsider the "Buy American" clause in the $800bn (£567bn) economic recovery package now before Congress.

[Link: news.bbc.co.uk...]

What happened to love and cooperation? Wasn't John Kerry consulted?

418 DeafDog  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 6:32:57am

re: #405 Pullus Iulius

I find it hard to believe that Iran would ever photoshop.

/

419 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 6:32:59am

re: #415 Dustyvet

Friends, Romans, Whomans! Countrymen!...

Fixed.

/Why are they waffing? Stop waffing!

Bwaney Fwank does Ancient Wome.

420 realwest  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 6:34:22am

re: #407 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret) Yes, LT I saw that earlier but your source doesn't seem to day what the F&F folks said on air and the graphic they used, namely that 54% of the American people don't think the stimulus plan will work because there's too much bullshit pork in it!
And I am doing ok today, thanks, gotta leave in a short while for an appoitment, but couldn't let today go by unnoticed or unremarked upon out here and only Dusty Vet is as old as I am (he's actually OLDER) so I jumped on right away with those links!
Uh, Dusty isn't around this morning yet, is he?!
:)

421 3 wood  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 6:34:24am

re: #334 quickjustice

But isn't it true that you're merely changing the definition of "toxic" to accomplish this result? The fantasy remains that as the market rebounds, a toxic asset will suddenly become performing. That's what many banks are clinging to, not to mention the Treasury.

Not really, I don;t think.

Here's the problem. When you use "mark to market" valuation, you are using a moving market number to put a value on a 20 or 30 year loan. Most of these loans are actually good and will pay off in the long run. But because of the "mark to market" requirement, the banks have to write down the theoretical value loss in the "market value" of the house as if you had to sell it today.

This then creates a wicked downward spiral, that banks don;t want to make loans that they then may have to write down regardless of the loan performance, the real estate values then drop cause of the lower traffic ion sales deals and the values deteriorate even more.

The real estate is not going away, it is just being artificially undervalued today, as it was overvalued before.

If you sell these loans now, they are probably going to yield 20 cents on the dollar due to the mark to market requirement.

Actually, the deals are worth more like 60 to 70 cents on the dollar.

So the write down amount and the size of the problem to be tackled would be much smaller without the mark to market valuation requirement.

Given "mark to market" valuations, we have a hole in the banking system of about $2 trillion to fix. Get rid of "mark to market" and that drops to about $1 trillion instantly, plus you then stabilize real estate values cause banks now have a solid value to base deals on.

422 Dustyvet  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 6:35:20am

re: #420 realwest

Yes, LT I saw that earlier but your source doesn't seem to day what the F&F folks said on air and the graphic they used, namely that 54% of the American people don't think the stimulus plan will work because there's too much bullshit pork in it!
And I am doing ok today, thanks, gotta leave in a short while for an appoitment, but couldn't let today go by unnoticed or unremarked upon out here and only Dusty Vet is as old as I am (he's actually OLDER) so I jumped on right away with those links!
Uh, Dusty isn't around this morning yet, is he?!
:)

I'm over here...repotting my palm...

423 Irish Rose  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 6:35:37am

Off to work, lizards... later ;).

424 MJ  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 6:36:00am

Hamas Chief Thanks Iran for Support While on Regional Tour

[Link: www.washingtonpost.com...]

425 realwest  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 6:36:52am

re: #415 Dustyvet
Ah, good morning Dusty! Didn't see you out here! How are y'all doing today?

426 MandyManners  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 6:37:35am

Happy Birthday to Tommy Flanagan's wife!

427 DeafDog  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 6:37:44am

re: #421 3 wood

Eliminating/suspending 'mark to market' has seemed like such an obvious step to take since this crisis began. It's baffling that it does not get more discussion, at least.

428 realwest  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 6:37:50am

re: #421 3 wood
Good morning my friend! Say, did you get my e-mail from VERY EARLY this morning?!

429 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 6:37:57am

re: #420 realwest

I think it is the same one, just inverted... it says 45% think Porkulis will work, therefore about 55% think it won't (not counting the naval starers who "don't know" or "don't have an opinion".

Hey 3Wood!

Got a link to a really good graph of the prime rate for the last 6 months or year?

430 Macker  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 6:38:15am

re: #419 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

Sorry, I can't see him playing Pontius Pilate....

431 Dustyvet  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 6:38:21am

re: #425 realwest

Ah, good morning Dusty! Didn't see you out here! How are y'all doing today?

Doing fine, better when fur face returns home...

432 3 wood  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 6:39:12am

re: #368 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

Where's 3-Wood?

I need to see a good graph of the prime rate for the last 6 months and year...

Prime will vary from bank to bank a bit. Here's a 6 month graph of 30 year mortgage rates. You can drill back to see a bunch of rates and run graphs all you want.

433 Nevergiveup  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 6:39:14am

So anyone know what's the story with this Iranian Rocket?

434 3 wood  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 6:40:08am

re: #427 DeafDog

Eliminating/suspending 'mark to market' has seemed like such an obvious step to take since this crisis began. It's baffling that it does not get more discussion, at least.

I think it's so they can justify getting their hands on more money to fix a bigger problem.

435 Crux Australis  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 6:40:27am

Prime Minister of Australia Kevin Rudd has announced another stimulus package of $A42 billion. To add to the $A10.4 billion he spent last October. Mostly to go on infrastructure. Convenient that the projects announced start construction around the time of the next election.

Is he clever or am I being cynical?

436 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 6:41:09am

Oh goody, I'll do anything for the money and prestige! Stinks, period.

Sources: Sen. Judd Gregg accepts commerce secretary post

"But state political sources from both parties said Monday that Lynch will name Gregg's former chief of staff, Bonnie Newman, to replace him."

[Link: www.cnn.com...]

437 MandyManners  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 6:42:01am

Happy Birthday to Armand Goldman's wife!

438 realwest  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 6:42:02am

re: #431 Dustyvet
And when, ah say WHEN do y'all expect that to happen? Still waiting on the phone call?

439 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 6:43:06am

re: #432 3 wood

Sweet thanks!

440 Sheila Broflovski  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 6:43:37am

re: #403 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

Ha!

When I was at Ft. Benning I convinced three other guys (one of whom had a little pick up truck) to do a road trip back in 1982. We took in Andersonville and Plains GA.

Plains was a very small town with an enormous grain elevator filled with peanuts. I recall that and dirt roads.

Andersonville was far more interesting.

About 16 years ago I did some research about a Jewish soldier who died there. I located his grave in a Philadelphia cemetery but National Park Service insisted that he was still buried at Andersonville. The Civil War equivalent of ZAKA came and recovered the remains for re-interment in a Jewish cemetery.

441 Killian Bundy  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 6:43:38am

re: #405 Pullus Iulius

Relax.

/we sit on their offensive missile capability and laugh at their ability to defend themselves, wild card Obama notwithstanding

442 bellamags  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 6:44:16am

OK peeps. I just watched an episode of The Office where Dwight calls Michael a socialist for liking IHOP. LOL. The conversation between them starts at at 3:36 into the video, but if you have time to watch the whole thing, its hilarious. It wouldn't let me embed. quality kinda poor, but its worth it.
The Office

443 DeafDog  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 6:44:20am

re: #434 3 wood

I think it's so they can justify getting their hands on more money to fix a bigger problem.

Two other 'obvious' solutions:

1. Use government guarantees for the troubled assets instead of purchasing them - say at 50 cents on the dollar - which at least puts a floor on some of the mark-to-market provisions.

2. If the feds are going to bail out the states (which is a crime to start with), it should be loans to the states, not expanded block grants.

444 Bloodnok  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 6:44:38am

re: #436 Walter L. Newton

Oh goody, I'll do anything for the money and prestige! Stinks, period.

Sources: Sen. Judd Gregg accepts commerce secretary post

"But state political sources from both parties said Monday that Lynch will name Gregg's former chief of staff, Bonnie Newman, to replace him."

[Link: www.cnn.com...]

Shrugg.

Growing up in NH Gregg has bounced around every branch of government (Rep, Governor, Senator). Anything to stay relevant. You'd think that in that time I'd have some idea what he stands for. Nada. Empty suit. I wish they'd have replaced him with Sununu.

445 Dustyvet  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 6:46:14am

re: #438 realwest

And when, ah say WHEN do y'all expect that to happen? Still waiting on the phone call?

Yeah, I know it's for his own good. Just to quiet in the apartment.

446 FrogMarch  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 6:46:42am

Good morning lizard peeps.


On Jan. 21, the day after his inauguration, Obama issued an executive order barring any former lobbyists who join his administration from dealing with matters or agencies related to their lobbying work. Nor could they join agencies they had lobbied in the previous two years.

So much for Obama's word.

Lobbyist money whores abound.

447 Killian Bundy  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 6:46:47am

re: #435 Crux Australis

Prime Minister of Australia Kevin Rudd

/George Bush never did that

448 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 6:47:02am

re: #434 3 wood

I think it's so they can justify getting their hands on more money to fix a bigger problem.

I'll agree with half of what you said. It's so they can justify getting their hands on more money...

449 3 wood  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 6:47:41am

re: #428 realwest

Good morning my friend! Say, did you get my e-mail from VERY EARLY this morning?!

Just responded, I struck out :(.

450 Ford_Prefect  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 6:47:42am

re: #442 bellamags

Morning, bella. How are you today?

451 realwest  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 6:48:01am

re: #433 Nevergiveup
Good morning! To tell you the truth, my immediate reaction when I heard the news was that it was more Iranian bullshit - like their "stealth" submarines, the fauxtagrpahed Rocket launches and etc. that we've seen before.
Upon further reflection, however, I have come to the inescapable conclussion that it's all bullshit - not only that they'd need to build a rocket powerful enough to break from the bonds of gravity, but they'd have to build a satellite too and ya know there's only so much Silly Putty in Iran!

452 bellamags  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 6:48:10am

re: #450 Ford_Prefect

Morning, bella. How are you today?

great. how are YOU?

453 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 6:48:12am

re: #440 Alouette

About 16 years ago I did some research about a Jewish soldier who died there. I located his grave in a Philadelphia cemetery but National Park Service insisted that he was still buried at Andersonville. The Civil War equivalent of ZAKA came and recovered the remains for re-interment in a Jewish cemetery.

Cool. I can't remember if there were any grave sites there when I was there, it was just a big square empty field with a little stream running in the middle.

The little park HQ had a card catalog where you could look up all the prisoners by name and see what became of them. One person there had my last name, I have no idea if he was a relative, he died.

454 Lincolntf  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 6:49:08am

re: #433 Nevergiveup

No. Is there a link I missed?

455 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 6:49:12am

re: #444 Bloodnok

Shrugg.

Growing up in NH Gregg has bounced around every branch of government (Rep, Governor, Senator). Anything to stay relevant. You'd think that in that time I'd have some idea what he stands for. Nada. Empty suit. I wish they'd have replaced him with Sununu.

I guess that doesn't matter now, does it, the fact is Gregg is their, and where he is going. Wishing doesn't solve anything.

It's evident that this is a plus for the Democrats. Why is it evident, because they would not have done this if it didn't help them.

Point, match.

456 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 6:49:19am

re: #419 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

Fixed.

/Why are they waffing? Stop waffing!

Bwaney Fwank does Ancient Wome.

I have a fwiend named Biggus Dickus.

457 3 wood  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 6:49:37am

re: #443 DeafDog

Two other 'obvious' solutions:

1. Use government guarantees for the troubled assets instead of purchasing them - say at 50 cents on the dollar - which at least puts a floor on some of the mark-to-market provisions.

2. If the feds are going to bail out the states (which is a crime to start with), it should be loans to the states, not expanded block grants.

Very good ideas.

458 Dustyvet  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 6:50:25am

re: #447 Killian Bundy

/George Bush never did that

Ear wax, it's just not for breakfast anymore...:P

459 Nevergiveup  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 6:50:31am

re: #454 Lincolntf

No. Is there a link I missed?


Last update - 00:54 01/01/2009

France concerned new Iranian satellite could be used for military purposes

[Link: www.haaretz.com...]

460 realwest  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 6:51:12am

re: #445 Dustyvet
Yeah, I can imagine. Just hang in there my friend, he'll be coming home soon, I'm sure!

461 Nevergiveup  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 6:51:29am

re: #454 Lincolntf

No. Is there a link I missed?

Iran Puts First Homemade Satellite in Orbit

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

462 FrogMarch  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 6:51:43am

re: #455 Walter L. Newton

Indeed. I can already hear Obama's 2012 election pitch. "he even reached across and added a Republican to his cabinet" (Never mind that the cabinet position isn't anything remarkable.)

463 Ford_Prefect  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 6:52:01am

re: #452 bellamags

great. how are YOU?

I am actually home sick today. I have a Dr.'s appointment later today. Nothing serious, just nagging illness that won't seem to go away.

464 Killer Tomato  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 6:52:23am

re: #455 Walter L. Newton

I guess that doesn't matter now, does it, the fact is Gregg is their, and where he is going. Wishing doesn't solve anything.

It's evident that this is a plus for the Democrats. Why is it evident, because they would not have done this if it didn't help them.

Point, match.

Is there a pool somewhere on how long until he's fired?

465 Bumr50  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 6:52:32am

Seekers from Dune weren't such happy things.

466 Bloodnok  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 6:52:56am

re: #462 FrogMarch

Indeed. I can already hear Obama's 2012 election pitch. "he even reached across and added a Republican to his cabinet" (Never mind that the cabinet position isn't anything remarkable.)

And the nominee is a lump of clay they can shape.

467 yochanan  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 6:53:41am

re: #440 Alouette

ANDERSONVILLE might not have been Hell but you could see it from there.
camp douglas in chicago wasn't much better.

if our liberals/leftist only knew a little history you can be sure any union or sessech POW would have given his eye teeth to have been sent to today's getmo even if he had to eat halal.

468 opnion  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 6:53:56am

Brand new Junior Senator from Illinois, Roland Burris was quoted yesterday onn the radio as saying, 'I have led one of the most interesting life's in history."
Couldn't Blago have found somebody with a better self-image?

469 realwest  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 6:54:10am

re: #449 3 wood
Ah well, it was a long shot anyway! But thanks for trying.

470 yma o hyd  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 6:54:27am

re: #459 Nevergiveup

Last update - 00:54 01/01/2009

France concerned new Iranian satellite could be used for military purposes

[Link: www.haaretz.com...]

Hiya, Lizard Nation!

How nice of Fwance to be concerned ...
This is what someone had to say who might know a bit more about it, for obvious reasons:

Former head of Israel's Space Agency says Iranian satellite poses no intelligence threat but use of ballistic missile to send it into orbit does; adds satellite project meant to mask real goal of arming missiles with nuclear warheads

471 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 6:54:29am

re: #468 opnion

Brand new Junior Senator from Illinois, Roland Burris was quoted yesterday onn the radio as saying, 'I have led one of the most interesting life's in history."
Couldn't Blago have found somebody with a better self-image?

Er, himself?

472 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 6:54:55am

re: #467 yochanan

ANDERSONVILLE might not have been Hell but you could see it from there.
camp douglas in chicago wasn't much better.

if our liberals/leftist only knew a little history you can be sure any union or sessech POW would have given his eye teeth to have been sent to today's getmo even if he had to eat halal.

Being a liberal means that history begins anew each morning.

473 Sheila Broflovski  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 6:55:16am

re: #453 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

Cool. I can't remember if there were any grave sites there when I was there, it was just a big square empty field with a little stream running in the middle.

The little park HQ had a card catalog where you could look up all the prisoners by name and see what became of them. One person there had my last name, I have no idea if he was a relative, he died.

Very weird how research used to be done back in the day. Postal mail, reading microfilm newspapers, and actually visiting places and stuff.

474 bellamags  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 6:55:31am

re: #463 Ford_Prefect

I'm sorry you're sick. : ( I have heard of that going around. Some people seem to be affected for a month or more. They never were seriously ill, just enough though to make them miserable.

475 jcw46  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 6:55:32am

re: #305 Killer Tomato

re: #211 Kenneth
Prayers.


This is the report from this morning.
http://www.wmur.com/politics/18623626/detail.html

This is the actual Lynch Quote:
"It is important that President Obama be able to select the advisors he feels are necessary to help him address the challenges facing our nation," Lynch said. "If President Obama does nominate Sen. Gregg to serve as commerce secretary, I will name a replacement who will put the people of New Hampshire first and represent New Hampshire effectively in the U.S. Senate."
[Link: www.cnn.com...]
So he doesn't ACTUALLY promise to put a republican in to maintain the balance in the senate.

They SAY they're appointing Gregg's ex-chief of staff, Bonnie Newman, and of course we know that the dems NEVER go back on their word, don't we? Even if they do put her in, she's another compromising "republican" probably similar to the two Maine repub sens snowe and collins.

OH yeah btw, pinched face/penny McConnell NOW supports the bailout (his version). As I've mentioned before, when it came to actual benefits to the WORKERS in this country, he couldn't be bothered to support extra unemployment funds (a pittance compared to what they're handing out NOW to the rich bastards in the banking and automotive co.'s and with NO accountability) but NOW when the money is going to his buddies he's all for spending the money. I hope this sour-face lemon-pursed lip dick shrivels up and turns into fart dust!

Good Morning LGF!

476 MandyManners  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 6:55:33am
477 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 6:55:43am

re: #467 yochanan

ANDERSONVILLE might not have been Hell but you could see it from there.
camp douglas in chicago wasn't much better.

if our liberals/leftist only knew a little history you can be sure any union or sessech POW would have given his eye teeth to have been sent to today's getmo even if he had to eat halal.

No kidding. Gitmo is a frigging 5-star hotel compared to those places.

478 MandyManners  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 6:56:13am

re: #468 opnion

Brand new Junior Senator from Illinois, Roland Burris was quoted yesterday onn the radio as saying, 'I have led one of the most interesting life's in history."
Couldn't Blago have found somebody with a better self-image?

Remember his grave site?

479 FrogMarch  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 6:56:14am

re: #466 Bloodnok

And the nominee is a lump of clay they can shape.

No risk in that.

480 Lincolntf  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 6:56:19am

re: #461 Nevergiveup

Thanks.

481 aboo-Hoo-Hoo  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 6:56:59am

Obama plans media blitz on stimulus plan
- well that shouldn't be a problem given our media's new yob as full time water-carriers.

482 FrogMarch  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 6:57:18am

re: #468 opnion

Brand new Junior Senator from Illinois, Roland Burris was quoted yesterday onn the radio as saying, 'I have led one of the most interesting life's in history."
Couldn't Blago have found somebody with a better self-image?

He has! You've seen his tombstone, right? It's magical and full of that Chicago ego.

483 Ford_Prefect  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 6:57:21am

re: #474 bellamags

I'm sorry you're sick. : ( I have heard of that going around. Some people seem to be affected for a month or more. They never were seriously ill, just enough though to make them miserable.

That's pretty much it. Some days are worse than others, but I really haven't felt good since a few days after Christmas.

484 Sheila Broflovski  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 6:57:38am

re: #467 yochanan

ANDERSONVILLE might not have been Hell but you could see it from there.
camp douglas in chicago wasn't much better.

if our liberals/leftist only knew a little history you can be sure any union or sessech POW would have given his eye teeth to have been sent to today's getmo even if he had to eat halal.

Andersonville was undoubtedly a war crime, and Henri Wirz was hanged.

Camp Douglas and Elmyra were also war crimes, but the operators of those places were not hanged or even prosecuted.

485 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 6:58:28am

re: #475 jcw46

IMHO (humble, that's funny)... Like I said above, politicians don't do anything unless there is a reason behind it. Gregg has not been nominated unless the some how benefits the democrats.

Wanna bet? It would be a better investment than the stock market right now.

486 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 6:59:04am

re: #473 Alouette

Very weird how research used to be done back in the day. Postal mail, reading microfilm newspapers, and actually visiting places and stuff.

*sniff* Real research using real sources. Those were the days.

487 FrogMarch  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 6:59:32am

re: #481 aboo-Hoo-Hoo

Obama plans media blitz on stimulus plan
- well that shouldn't be a problem given our media's new yob as full time water-carriers.

If the Repubs had any brains they would block this thing and force them to remove all the pork. Which would mean they would have to scrap the whole thing - it's all pork.

The public is growing suspicious - so Obama must get out there and give us the snake oil pitch.

488 yma o hyd  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 6:59:39am

Well - we had our own snow as well!
Started late last evening, and some more added to it this morning.
Looks pretty, but pavements were so treacherous, going to the park was scary.

Madame wasn't as keen on it as she used to be - its advancing old age, see.
But she still licked it, and scooped it up to eat it while running along!

489 Ben Hur  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 6:59:54am

Daniel Pearl and the Normalization of Evil

The real question is, will Brad Pitt, Angelina Jolie and the rest of the Hollywood freaks that have HIJACKED Daniel Pearl's memory and legacy stop the BS with the Daniel Pearl tatoos, the fake movies and utopian BS and actually LISTEN TO HIS PARENTS?

490 JacksonTn  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 7:00:40am

Good Morning Lizards ....

Jimmah posted this the other day ....now I can't get the song out of my head ...get your morning groove on ...

491 jcw46  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 7:00:44am

re: #476 MandyManners

Judd Gregg, window dressing.

Wow that looks like sooo many of the repubs now. I love to hear them posturing about how we need fiscal responsibility after the 14 year spending spree they went on. Any comments about how EASY all of O's cabinet appointments are getting confirmed from the MFM? No of course not. If I recall, bush was still trying to get his appointments approved when 9/11 happened.

492 SasquatchOnSteroids  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 7:00:49am

re: #481 aboo-Hoo-Hoo

Obama plans media blitz on stimulus plan
- well that shouldn't be a problem given our media's new yob as full time water-carriers.


The higher the pedestal, the longer the fall.
Unless you have the ultimate golden parachute..

493 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 7:00:59am

re: #488 yma o hyd

Well - we had our own snow as well!
Started late last evening, and some more added to it this morning.
Looks pretty, but pavements were so treacherous, going to the park was scary.

Madame wasn't as keen on it as she used to be - its advancing old age, see.
But she still licked it, and scooped it up to eat it while running along!

Whoa, your wife is a little strange, to say the least mate.

494 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 7:01:33am

re: #491 jcw46

Wow that looks like sooo many of the repubs now. I love to hear them posturing about how we need fiscal responsibility after the 14 year spending spree they went on. Any comments about how EASY all of O's cabinet appointments are getting confirmed from the MFM? No of course not. If I recall, bush was still trying to get his appointments approved when 9/11 happened.

Not to mention Federal Judges that were never approved.

495 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 7:01:40am

re: #487 FrogMarch

If the Repubs had any brains they would block this thing and force them to remove all the pork. Which would mean they would have to scrap the whole thing - it's all pork.

The public is growing suspicious - so Obama must get out there and give us the snake oil pitch.

Then the course of action is obvious, the GOP must launch its own "Stimulus, the other white meat!" PR campaign before Barry gets cranked up.

If they wait, we are toast.

496 aboo-Hoo-Hoo  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 7:02:54am

re: #457 3 wood

Very good ideas.

Are not welcome in Obamanation - only compounded problems resulting in continual crisis will suffice.

Let's get with it here.

497 Honorary Yooper  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 7:02:55am

re: #468 opnion

Brand new Junior Senator from Illinois, Roland Burris was quoted yesterday onn the radio as saying, 'I have led one of the most interesting life's in history."
Couldn't Blago have found somebody with a better self-image?

Heh. Blago seems to have a history of picking poison pills for the Machine to swallow. The choice of Burris is going to haunt them in 2010 as he's basically an empty suit who has done little but place his resume on his tombstone. What a parting gift he gave them.

With that, you've got to wonder who Blago's going to give up. As a quick aside, Jimmy DeLeo was rather quiet when his name was called to vote Blago out of office. He mouthed, but did not say a "yes" and merely flipped the switch for his vote. Methinks he was trying not to crap in his pants.

498 3 wood  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 7:03:01am

re: #467 yochanan

ANDERSONVILLE might not have been Hell but you could see it from there.
camp douglas in chicago wasn't much better.

Camp Douglas was nasty.

I talked to an elderly farmer here still tilling the long time family owned farm who can remember his great grandfather talking about an escaped confederate soldier from Camp Douglas working his way cross country trying to get back home.

499 opnion  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 7:03:22am

re: #471 Walter L. Newton

Er, himself?

Actually, there was a lotr of speculation that Blago would appoint himself.
He would never have gotten confirmed, but what entertainment!

500 realwest  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 7:03:35am

re: #459 Nevergiveup
Well I imagine France would be concerned if Iran sneezed. That being said, IF Iran launched it's first satellite using "all Iranian" technology and science, why didn't they launch during daylight so the whole World could see it?
I still think it's bullshit.

501 Occasional Reader  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 7:04:11am

re: #489 Ben Hur

Daniel Pearl and the Normalization of Evil

The real question is, will Brad Pitt, Angelina Jolie and the rest of the Hollywood freaks that have HIJACKED Daniel Pearl's memory and legacy stop the BS with the Daniel Pearl tatoos, the fake movies and utopian BS and actually LISTEN TO HIS PARENTS?

Threadworthy.

And depressing.

502 yma o hyd  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 7:04:51am

re: #493 Walter L. Newton

Whoa, your wife is a little strange, to say the least mate.

Teeheehee!
Would have been even stranger if she'd done her usual stuff of taking a couple of leaps and then roll in the snow... repeat till exhausted!

Well, to be less cryptic, she's my pocket house wolf and has been promoted from Miss Dog to Madame Dog, due to her age ... nuff said ...

503 Killian Bundy  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 7:04:54am

/these moonbats are going to be thoroughly dissapointed that Obama lives in an entirely different world

504 realwest  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 7:05:01am

re: #463 Ford_Prefect
Hi Ford! Sorry to hear about that "nagging" illness that won't go away - is this the first time you've seen a doctor about it?

505 3 wood  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 7:05:02am

By the way, Blago is making the rounds of the talk shows this morning in New York.

Now he says he was hijacked by the State legislature.

506 bellamags  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 7:05:21am

re: #483 Ford_Prefect

That's pretty much it. Some days are worse than others, but I really haven't felt good since a few days after Christmas.

well, it's probably not a virus, could be a mold allergy. during the colder weather, mold is prevalent. If it is not an allergy, a good thing to do in addition to any antibiotics your doctor gives you, is to clean all the common surfaces in your home with a bleach solution, if you haven't already done so. sometimes (esp in very cold climates) bacteria can grow on walls and surfaces because its warm inside the home. bleach your toothbrushes, door handles, washer and dryer handles, fridge handles, coffee maker, everything you touch. even the car. just a small amount of bleach in a gallon of water should do it (i think instructions are on the back of the bleach bottle)

507 jcw46  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 7:05:27am

re: #485 Walter L. Newton

I agree. That's why I pointed out what Lynch REALLY said. All that you hear on the MFM is "lynch has promised to appoint a republican".

I HATE THE LEFT WING MFM O-SUCKING MEDIA WHORES.
I HATE THE LEFT WING MFM O-SUCKING MEDIA WHORES.
I HATE THE LEFT WING MFM O-SUCKING MEDIA WHORES.
I HATE THE LEFT WING MFM O-SUCKING MEDIA WHORES.
I HATE THE LEFT WING MFM O-SUCKING MEDIA WHORES.
I HATE THE LEFT WING MFM O-SUCKING MEDIA WHORES.
I HATE THE LEFT WING MFM O-SUCKING MEDIA WHORES.
I HATE THE LEFT WING MFM O-SUCKING MEDIA WHORES.
I HATE THE LEFT WING MFM O-SUCKING MEDIA WHORES.
I HATE THE LEFT WING MFM O-SUCKING MEDIA WHORES.
I HATE THE LEFT WING MFM O-SUCKING MEDIA WHORES.
I HATE THE LEFT WING MFM O-SUCKING MEDIA WHORES.
I HATE THE LEFT WING MFM O-SUCKING MEDIA WHORES.

phew! there's more bile left in me for those bastards but I don't want to become boring to you all.

I HATE THE LEFT WING MFM O-SUCKING MEDIA WHORES.

(sorry, that one just slipped out)

508 FrogMarch  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 7:05:28am

re: #489 Ben Hur

Daniel Pearl and the Normalization of Evil

The real question is, will Brad Pitt, Angelina Jolie and the rest of the Hollywood freaks that have HIJACKED Daniel Pearl's memory and legacy stop the BS with the Daniel Pearl tatoos, the fake movies and utopian BS and actually LISTEN TO HIS PARENTS?

Jimmy Carter and Bill Moyers - two f*king terror excusing leftwing assholes.

509 3 wood  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 7:06:20am

re: #499 opnion

Actually, there was a lotr of speculation that Blago would appoint himself.

He's on tape admitting that this was his Plan B if he could not sell the seat. He called it his "parachute".

510 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 7:06:21am

re: #495 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

Then the course of action is obvious, the GOP must launch its own "Stimulus, the other white meat!" PR campaign before Barry gets cranked up.

If they wait, we are toast.

It won't happen. The agencies and groups that want all this pork have the Republicans in their pocket as much as the Democrats.

So, this bill is already well padded, the Republicans will take some stuff out, and put some new stuff in, and you watch, this bill will end up passing with a LARGER price tag then it has now.

And it will still be loaded with pork. The f'ing government shouldn't be buying into our lives like this, period. I don't want any stimulus bill, it's a socialist entitlement bill.

If you support ANY version of this bill, you are support the future socialist "utopia."

511 WriterMom  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 7:06:37am

re: #489 Ben Hur

I TOTALLY beat you to it, dude. I posted that in the linky thingie.

I think the real question is: when will Judea Pearl stop being involved with 'cultural understanding' bullshit and admit that there is a problem with the jihad? He might know a few nice, understanding Muslim moderates-but that the real issue is THE JIHAD, STUPID. He is doing as much damage as the lefties in Hollywood. Skirting around the real issue.

512 Ford_Prefect  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 7:06:48am

Why it is a good idea to resolve family problems before your wedding:

Police: Sister Beats Up Bride At Wedding Reception

A woman who wasn't invited to her sister's wedding reception showed up anyway and attacked the bride, pulling out clumps of her hair, police said.

I just hope the photographer got good pics. Those pics will not only be great memories, they will be good evidence in court.

513 Killer Tomato  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 7:07:40am

gotta work
bbl

514 FrogMarch  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 7:07:55am

re: #495 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

Then the course of action is obvious, the GOP must launch its own "Stimulus, the other white meat!" PR campaign before Barry gets cranked up.

If they wait, we are toast.

Obama is going to twist this thing into: if you don't sign on to this you are unpatriotic and you don't care about jobs or working Americans or... blah blah blah. Never mind that most of the pork stimulus waste will not create a single job. Certainly it will not help the private sector at all - where REAL jobs are created.

515 jcw46  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 7:08:16am

re: #500 realwest

Well I imagine France would be concerned if Iran sneezed. That being said, IF Iran launched it's first satellite using "all Iranian" technology and science, why didn't they launch during daylight so the whole World could see it?
I still think it's bullshit.

Q. How can you tell Imadinnerjacket is lying?

A. HIS LIPS ARE MOVING.

516 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 7:08:21am

re: #501 Occasional Reader

Threadworthy.

And depressing.

Ditto that.

517 3 wood  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 7:08:33am

NYT stock price is now down to $4.76 a share.

518 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 7:09:48am

re: #388 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

Reported on FNC this morning, I think this is the hard copy of the same poll.

This bit in the article should scare the hell out of everybody:

Nearly one-quarter (23 percent) of Americans think moving “away from capitalism and more toward socialism” would be a good thing for the United States. This includes 42 percent of those with household incomes under $30,000, as well as 35 percent of Democrats, and 31 percent of those under age thirty.

519 realwest  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 7:09:49am

re: #488 yma o hyd Hey good afternoon {yma}! How much snow didja get?
And are y'all able to stay warm if you stay inside?

520 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 7:09:52am

re: #507 jcw46

Don't do that. I am trying to keep it to a low roar this morning, since I have a few things to do in a bit, and I don't want to get behind the wheel of my car in a bad mood. So, deep breaths, slow... I HATE THE LEFT WING MFM O-SUCKING MEDIA WHORES. oops.

521 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 7:10:22am

re: #517 3 wood

NYT stock price is now down to $4.76 a share.

Woo-hoo!

522 3 wood  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 7:10:23am

U.S. Dec. pending home sales up 6.3%, realtors say

WASHINGTON (MarketWatch) - The number of new sales contracts on existing homes jumped a seasonally adjusted 6.3% in December as buyers took advantage of lower mortgage rates and falling prices, a real estate trade group said Tuesday.The pending home sales index rose 6.3% in December and is now up 2.1% compared with a year earlier, the National Association of Realtors said. The increase points to a healthy gain in existing-home sales in January and February.

523 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 7:10:23am

re: #514 FrogMarch

Obama is going to twist this thing into: if you don't sign on to this you are unpatriotic and you don't care about jobs or working Americans or... blah blah blah. Never mind that most of the pork stimulus waste will not create a single job. Certainly it will not help the private sector at all - where REAL jobs are created.

It's over.

524 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 7:10:24am

re: #511 WriterMom

I TOTALLY beat you to it, dude. I posted that in the linky thingie.

I think the real question is: when will Judea Pearl stop being involved with 'cultural understanding' bullshit and admit that there is a problem with the jihad? He might know a few nice, understanding Muslim moderates-but that the real issue is THE JIHAD, STUPID. He is doing as much damage as the lefties in Hollywood. Skirting around the real issue.

I thought the same thing when he wrote that part of the problem lies in treating terrorism as a tactic. It is a tactic of radical islam, something that he seems to take great pains to avoid mentioning.

525 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 7:10:32am

re: #517 3 wood

NYT stock price is now down to $4.76 a share.

That's not good news.

526 FrogMarch  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 7:10:36am

re: #495 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

I don't have much faith that the Repubs can handle an appropriate "opposition" response that isn't entirely chicken sh*t.

527 Ford_Prefect  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 7:10:40am

re: #504 realwest

Hi Ford! Sorry to hear about that "nagging" illness that won't go away - is this the first time you've seen a doctor about it?

Thanks, real. Yes it is. Nothing has been serious enough yet. I finally have just gotten tired of being sick. I know I should have done something earlier. Hindsight is 20/20.re: #506 bellamags

well, it's probably not a virus, could be a mold allergy. during the colder weather, mold is prevalent. If it is not an allergy, a good thing to do in addition to any antibiotics your doctor gives you, is to clean all the common surfaces in your home with a bleach solution, if you haven't already done so. sometimes (esp in very cold climates) bacteria can grow on walls and surfaces because its warm inside the home. bleach your toothbrushes, door handles, washer and dryer handles, fridge handles, coffee maker, everything you touch. even the car. just a small amount of bleach in a gallon of water should do it (i think instructions are on the back of the bleach bottle)

Wow. Sounds like you are even more obsessive than my wife. lol. She has been following me around with disinfecting wipes for weeks.

528 claspur  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 7:10:40am

Sometimes I feel more alone with people in my presence, than when I'm totally alone. (...and I never said that) *snick

529 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 7:10:48am

re: #521 Ward Cleaver

Woo-hoo!

That's not good news.

530 bellamags  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 7:11:05am

re: #520 Walter L. Newton

Don't do that. I am trying to keep it to a low roar this morning, since I have a few things to do in a bit, and I don't want to get behind the wheel of my car in a bad mood. So, deep breaths, slow... I HATE THE LEFT WING MFM O-SUCKING MEDIA WHORES. oops.

LWMFMOSMW?

531 realwest  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 7:11:44am

re: #487 FrogMarch
Morning FrogMarch - near as I can tell the Repubicans are voting against it - all House Repub's voted against it; don't know how Senate Republicans voted - and would like to know how Senator Gregg voted on the pork bill.

532 Honorary Yooper  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 7:11:53am

re: #509 3 wood

He's on tape admitting that this was his Plan B if he could not sell the seat. He called it his "parachute".

CEOs often have golden parachutes.
Blago would've had a golden fucking parachute.
/Gotta use the right terms. :-)

533 claspur  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 7:12:09am

Hey, Walter....just how old are you anyway? (Not to be disrespectful, mind you)

534 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 7:12:26am

re: #499 opnion

Actually, there was a lotr of speculation that Blago would appoint himself.
He would never have gotten confirmed, but what entertainment!

Yesterday, Hugh Hewitt was pimping Blago for White House press secretary. Oh man.

535 Ford_Prefect  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 7:12:51am

re: #528 claspur

Sometimes I feel more alone with people in my presence, than when I'm totally alone. (...and I never said that) *snick

You are never alone when you are here at LGF.

536 opnion  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 7:12:54am

re: #482 FrogMarch

He has! You've seen his tombstone, right? It's magical and full of that Chicago ego.

He is special.

537 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 7:12:59am

re: #526 FrogMarch

I don't have much faith that the Repubs can handle an appropriate "opposition" response that isn't entirely chicken sh*t.

Especially not if they are in the same corrupt tank as the Donks as Walter insists.

538 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 7:13:02am

re: #529 Walter L. Newton

That's not good news.

Not for those who hold the stock.

539 Honorary Yooper  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 7:13:03am

re: #525 Walter L. Newton

That's not good news.

Obviously. If the NYT had been printing good news, it wouldn't be down under $5 a share.

540 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 7:13:03am

re: #530 bellamags

LWMFMOSMW?

Thanks (I think)... ok, what does that mean? And if it has something to do with naked dwarves, I don't want an answer.

541 monkeytime  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 7:13:32am
542 aboo-Hoo-Hoo  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 7:13:35am

re: #487 FrogMarch

If the Repubs had any brains they would block this thing and force them to remove all the pork. Which would mean they would have to scrap the whole thing - it's all pork.

The public is growing suspicious - so Obama must get out there and give us the snake oil pitch.

I'm afraid most of the public is completely oblivious to the numerous problems Obama is creating - they certainly won't be hearing or reading anything remotely contentious from MSM. As for our GoP rep's - pffft - another 93k bump next year and they'll be happy to make a little noise then go along for the ride.

543 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 7:13:38am

re: #526 FrogMarch

I don't have much faith that the Repubs can handle an appropriate "opposition" response that isn't entirely chicken sh*t.

They seemed to be pretty much Obama-whipped.

544 yma o hyd  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 7:13:38am

I'm reading a brilliant book at the moment. Its called 'Darwin's Island: The Galapagos in the Garden of England', the author is Steve Jones - and its not available in the USA as yet.
Its about Darwin and his other writings, not just Origin of Species.

Here is something I thought Lizards might enjoy:

'The double helix also shows that chimps, orangs, humans and monkeys cluster together in a class that includes lemurs and rabbits but does not admit horses, dogs, bats and many other furry creatures. ...'

We're related to the Killer Rabbit - who knew!

545 claspur  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 7:13:51am

Bruce SpringSproing at The Poopbowel....I ran-out to take a dump.... *sigh

546 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 7:14:04am

re: #541 monkeytime

Call for Pope to Step Down

Uh, that's not gonna happen.

547 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 7:14:22am

re: #533 claspur

Hey, Walter....just how old are you anyway? (Not to be disrespectful, mind you)

Er, 56. And I don't look anything like my picture. That was taken 8 years ago, and about 200 pounds heavier.

Why do you ask about my age?

548 albusteve  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 7:14:28am

re: #481 aboo-Hoo-Hoo

Obama plans media blitz on stimulus plan
- well that shouldn't be a problem given our media's new yob as full time water-carriers.

why wont he himself sit in front of a panel and explain his plan to the public?....because he is spineless fraud that uses propaganda instead of reason and merit...it borders on criminal to me...and the media is his mule...what a disgrace this kid is

549 FrogMarch  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 7:14:29am

re: #531 realwest

Morning FrogMarch - near as I can tell the Repubicans are voting against it - all House Repub's voted against it; don't know how Senate Republicans voted - and would like to know how Senator Gregg voted on the pork bill.

The house Repubs did the right thing. woot! It would be great if the senate would ditch the thing. But don't you fear they are going to simply add more pork? That's what I am hearing. (Just like that ridiculous "bailout" )

550 claspur  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 7:14:54am

re: #535 Ford_Prefect

Ty Fix ;o)

551 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 7:15:14am

re: #525 Walter L. Newton

That's not good news.

You expecting the Government to leap in to bail them out and take control of the NYT and hence the press?

Too big to fail?

552 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 7:15:23am

re: #545 claspur

Bruce SpringSproing at The Poopbowel....I ran-out to take a dump.... *sigh

I think Tom Petty's show was much better. Petty's voice has always been gravelly, so it only gets better with age.

553 jcw46  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 7:15:31am

re: #530 bellamags

LWMFMOSMW?

thanks for the abbreviation, it's not quite as satisfying as the complete phrase however it is useful.

(copies abbreviation and phrase into temp txt file for later use)

554 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 7:15:59am

re: #539 Honorary Yooper

Obviously. If the NYT had been printing good news, it wouldn't be down under $5 a share.

No, it's not good news because it speaks volumes about our economy. And that's not good. I don't care about the Times political positions, I care about our country, and this is not good.

555 opnion  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 7:16:06am

re: #497 Honorary Yooper

Heh. Blago seems to have a history of picking poison pills for the Machine to swallow. The choice of Burris is going to haunt them in 2010 as he's basically an empty suit who has done little but place his resume on his tombstone. What a parting gift he gave them.

With that, you've got to wonder who Blago's going to give up. As a quick aside, Jimmy DeLeo was rather quiet when his name was called to vote Blago out of office. He mouthed, but did not say a "yes" and merely flipped the switch for his vote. Methinks he was trying not to crap in his pants.

Fitzgerald has a seperate investigation into Potty Mouth Patty's real estate dealings with people like Tony Rezko.
It could be interesting to see if her father, Alderman Mell would be willing to give up a big fish to save his daughter. I think that he would.

556 realwest  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 7:16:16am

re: #491 jcw46
Well I'm not denying that the Repub's went on a spending spree under Bush, but please keep in mind that a LOT of that money went to building up a credible military after Clinton tore it apart, R&R and production of the Air Dominence Fighter for the next decade or so (the F-22 Raptor) the war in Afgahnistan, the liberation and war in Iraq and something called Katrina.
The Dem's can't muster enough balls to do anything except CUT defense spending and ignore the (mostly) White folks in Ky.
Big difference when you take those numbers into account.

557 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 7:16:28am

re: #551 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

You expecting the Government to leap in to bail them out and take control of the NYT and hence the press?

Too big to fail?

No, it's not good news because it speaks volumes about our economy. And that's not good. I don't care about the Times political positions.

558 bellamags  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 7:16:31am

re: #540 Walter L. Newton

Thanks (I think)... ok, what does that mean? And if it has something to do with naked dwarves, I don't want an answer.

Just for the record, if i saw a naked dwarf, i would pass out from fear and not be able to type.

LEFT WING MFM O-SUCKING MEDIA WHORES = LWMFMOSMW

559 MandyManners  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 7:16:34am

re: #505 3 wood

By the way, Blago is making the rounds of the talk shows this morning in New York.

Now he says he was hijacked by the State legislature.

Awwwwwww. Poor, widdle victim.

560 monkeytime  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 7:16:41am

re: #546 Ward Cleaver

Uh, that's not gonna happen.

I'm just reporting the news. I'm Catholic myself and I don't really understand this whole thing. It has really thrown me for a loop.

561 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 7:17:22am

re: #553 jcw46

thanks for the abbreviation, it's not quite as satisfying as the complete phrase however it is useful.

(copies abbreviation and phrase into temp txt file for later use)

What the f does it mean?

562 bellamags  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 7:17:27am

re: #553 jcw46

thanks for the abbreviation, it's not quite as satisfying as the complete phrase however it is useful.

(copies abbreviation and phrase into temp txt file for later use)

I think we need t-shirts.

563 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 7:17:53am

re: #558 bellamags

Just for the record, if i saw a naked dwarf, i would pass out from fear and not be able to type.

LEFT WING MFM O-SUCKING MEDIA WHORES = LWMFMOSMW

Ok (where have I heard that phrase before?)

564 claspur  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 7:18:23am

re: #547 Walter L. Newton

Well, Walt.... I'm pretty new in here, 'cept for reading comments for over two yarn now, and you seem to jump-on ppl's comments rather rapidly?

Nothing against you...today tho, I noticed you had a bekkyache at someone else a bit ago tho? :o)

565 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 7:18:38am

re: #558 bellamags

Just for the record, if i saw a naked dwarf, i would pass out from fear and not be able to type.

LEFT WING MFM O-SUCKING MEDIA WHORES = LWMFMOSMW

I've heard that all body parts are normal sized.

566 bellamags  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 7:18:51am

re: #565 Walter L. Newton

I've heard that all body parts are normal sized.

even worse.

567 MandyManners  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 7:19:09am

re: #517 3 wood

NYT stock price is now down to $4.76 a share.

Instead of owning up to what he said, O'Riley this morning on Fox went off on the NYT.

568 J.S.  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 7:19:10am

Lawyers are now busily attempting to have Gitmo detainees shipped to Canada. The detainees are applying for "refugee status." (Given who's on our "refugee boards", (political appointees from Liberals, with little to no other qualifications that "We love terrorists and want them to unclench their fists!") I am willing to make a bet that these Gitmo detainees will be "welcomed into Canada.")

569 yma o hyd  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 7:19:19am

re: #519 realwest

Hey good afternoon {yma}! How much snow didja get?
And are y'all able to stay warm if you stay inside?

Hiya, {rw}!
The local TV station said it was six inches - looked no more than three to me, but that is in the middle of town.
Yes, we're nice and warm, its a terrace of little houses, so we're well sheltered - and gas central heating is working nicely.

Right now there's sleet coming down - that will be terrible for anybody driving, the ground is frozen.
Glad we're indoors, dreaming of spring!

How are you today?

570 claspur  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 7:19:20am

*bellyache

571 FrogMarch  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 7:19:25am

re: #559 MandyManners

re: #505 3 wood

By the way, Blago is making the rounds of the talk shows this morning in New York.

Now he says he was hijacked by the State legislature.

Awwwwwww. Poor, widdle victim.


I think Blago is perfect for all of those vapid AM talk shows. Maybe Matt Lauer will ask him a tough question? *laughs*

572 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 7:20:04am

re: #557 Walter L. Newton

No, it's not good news because it speaks volumes about our economy. And that's not good. I don't care about the Times political positions.

They were in trouble before the economy tanked. Current political leanings aside, I think the bigger worry is that the government steps in and by dint of ownership supplants the supposed freedom of the press.

And we get the "official view" the way the Europeans do.

573 WriterMom  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 7:20:14am

re: #568 J.S.

I read about it this morning. Why is the Archdioses of Montreal sponsoring them?

574 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 7:21:01am

re: #564 claspur

Well, Walt.... I'm pretty new in here, 'cept for reading comments for over two yarn now, and you seem to jump-on ppl's comments rather rapidly?

Nothing against you...today tho, I noticed you had a bekkyache at someone else a bit ago tho? :o)

Well, thank you. And did you notice that "ppl" engage me back. That's called d i a l o g (spoken slowly).

:)

575 FrogMarch  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 7:21:15am

re: #537 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

Especially not if they are in the same corrupt tank as the Donks as Walter insists.

I don't think the repubs can hold a candle to the corruption and pay-to-play money whoring done by the left. Some repubs, but not all.
(just MHO)

576 UFO TOFU  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 7:21:26am

re: #518 Ward Cleaver

Now that's depressing.

577 bellamags  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 7:21:40am

re: #571 FrogMarch

I think Blago is perfect for all of those vapid AM talk shows. Maybe Matt Lauer will ask him a tough question? *laughs*

I remember Matt Lauer interviewing Lynn Cheney about her book on the revolution. He had the balls to equate our revolutionary soldiers to the Islamic terrorists. I wrote him a nice email after that sh*t.

578 3 wood  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 7:21:52am

re: #525 Walter L. Newton

That's not good news.

I'm just telling you what it is, draw your own conclusions.

579 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 7:22:03am

re: #572 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

They were in trouble before the economy tanked. Current political leanings aside, I think the bigger worry is that the government steps in and by dint of ownership supplants the supposed freedom of the press.

And we get the "official view" the way the Europeans do.

I agree with that, I don't want the government to come in and throw money at anything, even me.

580 realwest  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 7:22:11am

re: #518 Ward Cleaver
Hi Ward - hope all is well in the Cleaver Household this morning!
Uh, "This includes 42 percent of those with household incomes under $30,000, as well as 35 percent of Democrats, and 31 percent of those under age thirty."
Isn't that the same demographic?!?

581 WriterMom  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 7:22:31am

re: #546 Ward Cleaver

I read that this morning. I am I right in assuming the person calling for this is on the very liberal side of things? It seems like a PR stunt-and not just ineffective but so totally unlikely to ever happen that it makes me think it's for him to get his own name out there.

582 MandyManners  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 7:22:37am

re: #573 WriterMom

I read about it this morning. Why is the Archdioses of Montreal sponsoring them?

Why is it inserting itself into politics?

583 WriterMom  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 7:23:01am

re: #577 bellamags

I'm sure he put it in a very special place.

584 albusteve  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 7:23:02am

re: #579 Walter L. Newton

I agree with that, I don't want the government to come in and throw money at anything, even me.

not even a rotten tomato?

585 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 7:23:38am

re: #575 FrogMarch

I don't think the repubs can hold a candle to the corruption and pay-to-play money whoring done by the left. Some repubs, but not all.
(just MHO)

Matter of degree, really. If they (and some do) have an actual moral compass and a spine, they would react in revulsion to this naked attempt to pork their way to political power.

But for the most part they haven't. Not even close.

586 WriterMom  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 7:23:41am

re: #582 MandyManners

That's what I mean...like don't they have homeless people to feed and oh-I dunno-maybe people to try to get back to Church for regular services and such?

587 FrogMarch  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 7:24:01am

re: #577 bellamags

I remember Matt Lauer interviewing Lynn Cheney about her book on the revolution. He had the balls to equate our revolutionary soldiers to the Islamic terrorists. I wrote him a nice email after that sh*t.

I do not remember becasue I cannot stand the sight of Matt Lauer. But I am not surprised. Standard canned lefty moral equivalency.

588 WriterMom  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 7:24:08am

re: #585 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

naked attempt to pork their way to political power.

Mildly arousing.

589 Ojoe  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 7:24:13am

Here are the San Gabriel Mountains in the morning sunlight.

Good Morning.

Is Goddess on this thread?

Perhaps she could put "need work" on her prayer list.

590 claspur  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 7:24:14am

Mandy....

sure don't wanna pis you off, hon...like I've said about the couple years I've been reading LGF's since I could register, you absolutely crack me up. lol

About two weeks before I was able to jump-in to register, you said something on a topic that totally cracked me up.... I was so close to writing it down, 'cept over the years, I figured I'd never get registered? lmao

591 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 7:24:14am

re: #584 albusteve

not even a rotten tomato?

And what's your problem this morning? Sun too bright? Tell you what, go find a wash, lay in it and wait for a rain storm.

Morning :)

592 MandyManners  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 7:24:22am

re: #577 bellamags

I remember Matt Lauer interviewing Lynn Cheney about her book on the revolution. He had the balls to equate our revolutionary soldiers to the Islamic terrorists. I wrote him a nice email after that sh*t.

How did Cheney respond?

593 Ford_Prefect  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 7:24:47am

re: #558 bellamags

Just for the record, if i saw a naked dwarf, i would pass out from fear and not be able to type.

LEFT WING MFM O-SUCKING MEDIA WHORES = LWMFMOSMW

What do you have against Dwarves? You sound like that bitch Snow White. My six brothers and I were perfectly happy walking around the woods naked, and then Little Miss Perfect comes along and makes us put clothes on! Why do you think I am grumpy all the time? These tights are really constrictive. Down with anti-dwarfism!

594 MandyManners  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 7:25:02am

re: #586 WriterMom

That's what I mean...like don't they have homeless people to feed and oh-I dunno-maybe people to try to get back to Church for regular services and such?

Not enough PR doing that?

595 monkeytime  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 7:25:13am

re: #590 claspur

Mandy....

sure don't wanna pis you off, hon...like I've said about the couple years I've been reading LGF's since I could register, you absolutely crack me up. lol

About two weeks before I was able to jump-in to register, you said something on a topic that totally cracked me up.... I was so close to writing it down, 'cept over the years, I figured I'd never get registered? lmao

Glad you finally made it in then. :>)

596 Ayatollah Ghilmeini  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 7:25:16am

Budgets

You are what you spend. A family decides what it spends, cloths, shoes, utilities and, what luxuries, if any you can afford. Businesses budget, even the mafia has a budget. Whether a captain of industry, a Reverend in a Church, we look at what we have and where we must and where we can spend.

So, in celebration of the thirtieth anniversary of the Islamic Republic of Iran, let's look at their budget and see who they are. First we know they are secretive. Burying a buildings or tunneling to place facilities far underground means you are the sort of person who does not want even Google Earth knowing what you are up to. Even their published budget is not what they are actually spending. In open societies like ours, even the money for intelligence, spying and "black" defense items are still shown as line items on our budgets.

Hezbollah, an organization that functions as a subsidiary corporation of the Iranian Revolutionary guards, bought 40,000 missiles and rockets and have placed them in bunkers to be aimed at Israel. A crappy little rocket can be built for a few hundred, but the new long range stuff costs a lot more, then add training, shipping, security, maintenance and emplacement costs too. The point is Iran has easily spent billions arming Hezbollah and Hamas.

This must be important because Iran is spending this fortune every year while importing gasoline and ignoring investment in their ancient oil and gas production plants. Their currency is all but worthless. Any fair look at Tehran shows a city deeply neglected, and that is the capital! With inflation nearing 30% last year and unemployment close to 25%, Hezbollah and Hamas are the priorities- not the long term well being of their people and nation.

Why else fly their Foreign Minister to arch terrorist Imad Mugniyeh's funeral and fly babykiller Samir Kuntar to Tehran for a photo OP? They could have invested in their own universities and secondary education, instead they spend a fortune on religious police and Basiji fast reaction terror teams not building a future for their children. This is their budget.

So today's news of Iran's launching a satellite into orbit is really great news for their leaders. But it's real bad news for the western world: Iran now has missiles that can reach all of Europe and, depending on the missile are closing in on missiles that can reach the US.

Why would a nation budget themselves this way? There are no good reasons. But no one can claim this is accidental. Budgets are the most intentional of things. When they don't have the money for arts, education, culture or developing industries that can provide livelihoods for their people but put every dollar they can towards an undeclared war against America and a fully declared war against Israel, it naivete of the new administration thinking these very deliberate folks can be charmed or bought from their national mission is dangerously misinformed.

In modern Iran, religious holocaust denying fanatics run everything, they set the budget. Our leadership seems not to understand this. No one in power in the US sees the horrible place we will be if Iran really is what they budget: we dither with pointless diplomacy. Obama doesn't realize that he does not understand Iran. What can America offer Iran that might change their behavior? They have money. They have power. They don't care about recognition. They want more money and more power and think they can get it from us or with nuclear weapons.

What Iran wants is our destruction, they pay for parades every year calling for it, it's in the budget. They want us to make them masters over the entire middle east. Those are their conditions for "peace." This is before they get the bomb and control the world's oil!

This is a uniquely dangerous radical regime and we should concerned about what they will cost us in the future in war and lives. Their budget is not changing and we are getting ready to pay for our folly for generations to come.

597 WriterMom  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 7:25:19am

re: #587 FrogMarch

He is such a pansy pretty boy. Talk about the antithesis of the male role model. So sensitive.... Blech.

598 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 7:25:28am

re: #593 Ford_Prefect

What do you have against Dwarves? You sound like that bitch Snow White. My six brothers and I were perfectly happy walking around the woods naked, and then Little Miss Perfect comes along and makes us put clothes on! Why do you think I am grumpy all the time? These tights are really constrictive. Down with anti-dwarfism!

Spot on. Ding.

599 MandyManners  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 7:25:53am

re: #590 claspur

Mandy....

sure don't wanna pis you off, hon...like I've said about the couple years I've been reading LGF's since I could register, you absolutely crack me up. lol

About two weeks before I was able to jump-in to register, you said something on a topic that totally cracked me up.... I was so close to writing it down, 'cept over the years, I figured I'd never get registered? lmao

Do you have any idea what it was about?

600 albusteve  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 7:26:05am

re: #591 Walter L. Newton

And what's your problem this morning? Sun too bright? Tell you what, go find a wash, lay in it and wait for a rain storm.

Morning :)

I need my Fruit Loops...I'm grumpy without my FL's

601 bellamags  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 7:26:12am

re: #583 WriterMom

I'm sure he put it in a very special place.

i didn't cuss or get rude, i just told him i felt sorry for him. probably didn't even get to him. it made me feel better though.

602 Honorary Yooper  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 7:26:37am

re: #575 FrogMarch

I don't think the repubs can hold a candle to the corruption and pay-to-play money whoring done by the left. Some repubs, but not all.
(just MHO)

Some do hold a candle very well to them, most of them being from Illinois. Ray LaHood (R-Cellini) comes to mind. It is strongly suspected that Obama chose LaHood for his connections to the concrete and asphalt lobbies in Illinois (which includes one William Cellini, now indicted by Patrick Fitzgerald).

603 claspur  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 7:27:04am

re: #574 Walter L. Newton

Walt....if you are trying to be a friend, you'll have to try harder, Sir. lol

604 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 7:27:08am

re: #600 albusteve

I need my Fruit Loops...I'm grumpy without my FL's

Ok, I'll be nice. Gave you an up ding. Now go lay in that wash.

605 FrogMarch  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 7:27:10am

re: #597 WriterMom

He is such a pansy pretty boy. Talk about the antithesis of the male role model. So sensitive.... Blech.

Exactly. Lauer is the mostly-male version of Katie Couric. *gags*

606 WriterMom  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 7:27:14am

re: #594 MandyManners

Hmm. Maybe. But an Adopt-A-Jihadi is not the best PR move in my opinion. Mind you, I'm not an asshole anti-American, anti-Western Quebecer, so whatever...

607 yma o hyd  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 7:27:35am

re: #581 WriterMom

I read that this morning. I am I right in assuming the person calling for this is on the very liberal side of things? It seems like a PR stunt-and not just ineffective but so totally unlikely to ever happen that it makes me think it's for him to get his own name out there.

Agree.
And it would have more relevance if he, and people like him, would have been a tiny bit more vociferous in speaking out against the blatant antisemitism we've seen on the streets in europe in recent weeks.

Two-faced hypocrites!

608 J.S.  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 7:27:40am

re: #573 WriterMom

Whoa! What? (I didn't read that...although I guess it figures -- yet another terrorist hugger...in the name of a "religion." I wonder if they figure they're promoting religious "values" -- what are those according to certain "churches" -- murder/terrorize and intimidate your fellows?)

609 bellamags  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 7:27:46am

re: #597 WriterMom

He is such a pansy pretty boy. Talk about the antithesis of the male role model. So sensitive.... Blech.

i know. LOL. as my marine father would say "That boy needs to go to boot camp."

610 Honorary Yooper  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 7:28:08am

re: #591 Walter L. Newton

And what's your problem this morning? Sun too bright? Tell you what, go find a wash, lay in it and wait for a rain storm.

Morning :)

Gee, Walter, you're quite the ray of bright sunshine on this cloudy morning.
/

611 WriterMom  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 7:28:09am

re: #600 albusteve

DUDE. They are "Froot" Loops. I was devastated a few weeks ago when I finally actually read the box. They are so, totally not "fruit". LOL.

612 Optimizer  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 7:28:11am

re: #360 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

Wow... these Porkulis poll numbers should be scaring the hell out of the party that knows what it thinks based on the poll numbers.

What's seems sad to me is that it's not so much the pork (although there's plenty). I suppose "pork" is in the "eye of the beholder", but I look upon it as local, small pet projects.

They want to spend $10Bs bailing out state govts, for example. I wouldn't call that "pork", but it's definitely not "economic stimulus", either.

They want to spend $10Bs on Pell grants. Mostly that would result in repairing the endowment funds of major universities. Again, neither "pork", nor "stimulus".

$10Bs on "tax cuts" that are mostly glorified welfare checks that people will either put in the bank (for when they get laid off), or will use to keep from defaulting for another month. Again, neither "pork", nor "stimulus".

It goes on and on. Mostly, the big money goes toward that insane laundry list of promises Obama made while running, and he's using the financial crisis to have the country put the tab on it's credit card, in the name of "stimulus". Obama's like a 16-year-old running around the mall with daddy's American Express.

The "stimulus" is a hoax, plain and simple. The biggest hoax this country has ever seen (soon to be outdone by "global warming", if people don't wake up). But if people can stop it by calling it "pork", I'll take it.

613 opnion  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 7:28:22am

re: #571 FrogMarch

I think Blago is perfect for all of those vapid AM talk shows. Maybe Matt Lauer will ask him a tough question? *laughs*

Actually I bet that Lauer would ask Blago tough questions. Blago is out of favor with the MSM & the Dem Party.
Now, Obama is completely different. Just perfect for Laurer to have a man crush.

614 claspur  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 7:28:25am

re: #595 monkeytime

Thanx, Monk....love LGF's :o)

615 bellamags  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 7:28:35am

re: #593 Ford_Prefect

re: #598 Walter L. Newton

So what, now I'm a bitch? ; )

616 DeafDog  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 7:28:39am

We need a score card to keep track of the stuff going on:

Dodd/Conrad/Obama - got sweetheart loan deals
Dashle/Geitner/Rangel/Franken/Emanuel - cheated on their taxes
Dodd/Franks/Emanuel - Presided over Fannie Mae Meltdown
Pelosi/Biden - steered campaign money to their family
Obama - Got some seetheart land deal from Rezko that I still don't understand.

Can anyone say "cultrure of corrption"?

617 realwest  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 7:28:41am

re: #523 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret) "Its over" WHAT? C'mon LT it ain't over and we aren't going down the road to socialism all the way, because more than half the population will still have to believe in Obama once his stimulas plan goes into effect and they are still suffering so much.And remember - the MSM WILL turn on Obama, its just a question of when, not if.
Remember, at least in the House of Representatives this is a 100% Democratic Bill now - and they can't dodge out from under (though some are frantically trying to - see Senator Dodd (D-Stupid) who has decided to refi his two loans with Countrywide so as to not give any impression of wrongdoing. No impression of wrongdoing doesn't = no wrongdoing.
The chickens are gonna come home to roost.

618 FrogMarch  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 7:29:07am

re: #602 Honorary Yooper

Some do hold a candle very well to them, most of them being from Illinois. Ray LaHood (R-Cellini) comes to mind. It is strongly suspected that Obama chose LaHood for his connections to the concrete and asphalt lobbies in Illinois (which includes one William Cellini, now indicted by Patrick Fitzgerald).

fer crying out loud.
What is it about Illinois and political corruption? It's so entrenched that it's completely bi-partisan.

619 3 wood  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 7:29:24am

re: #567 MandyManners

Instead of owning up to what he said, O'Riley this morning on Fox went off on the NYT.

Putting aside his beef with the NYT, I will say, as an expert in Economics who has taught both Macro and Micro economics at the undergraduate and graduate levels, I will say that O'Reilly has consistently said incorrect stuff on his show about economics and how prices of commodities like oil works.

Given his education, I have to think he knows better.

620 MandyManners  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 7:29:34am

re: #606 WriterMom

Hmm. Maybe. But an Adopt-A-Jihadi is not the best PR move in my opinion. Mind you, I'm not an asshole anti-American, anti-Western Quebecer, so whatever...

Maybe they wanna' fit in with the cool kids who are anti-American, anti-Western assholes.

621 Honorary Yooper  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 7:29:54am

re: #611 WriterMom

DUDE. They are "Froot" Loops. I was devastated a few weeks ago when I finally actually read the box. They are so, totally not "fruit". LOL.

But you can't deny that they are actually "loops" now, can you.

622 WriterMom  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 7:30:05am

re: #608 J.S.

Yes, one is being sponsored by some terror loving "refugee" helper organization, and the other two by the Archdiosese of Montreal (or Quebec, I can't remember right now).

623 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 7:30:16am

re: #603 claspur

Walt....if you are trying to be a friend, you'll have to try harder, Sir. lol

What did you miss? Not really. If you have been lurking for two years, then you should already know that I am a bit of a blowhard, and wound a little tight at time, and then you ASK ME MY AGE.

That's a fucking insult, for no reason other than you don't like my style. If you don't like the way I phrase a question or comment, then why don't you engage me, instead of starting off with an insult.

Feh.

624 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 7:30:27am

Great quote from Charles. It is from "Everything You Know is Wrong", which makes fun of UFO believers, Uri Geller, New Agers, and Evil Kanevel.
It involves Dr. "Happy" Harry Cox telling everyone about the aliens, only finding out that, as he says:
"I was right! Everything I knew was wrong!"
when he finds out about the real aliens.
There is also a video version, but it leaves out a sequence parodying Carlos Castenada and his mystical books. They couldn't do the animation cheaply back in the 1970's; now it would be the cheapest part.

Dogs flew spaceships.
Men and women are the same sex.
Our forefathers took drugs
Your brain is not the boss.
Yes, that's right. Everything you know is wrong!

625 albusteve  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 7:30:38am

re: #611 WriterMom

DUDE. They are "Froot" Loops. I was devastated a few weeks ago when I finally actually read the box. They are so, totally not "fruit". LOL.

I made that up...I've never eaten them altho the name sounds fun...not much into dry cereal with my Bloody Mary's

626 Kenneth  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 7:31:40am

A Tale of Two Refugee Agencies

Most people are probably not aware, there are two separate UN agencies charged with looking after refugees. The United Nations Relief and Works Agency (UNRWA), which serves only Arab Palestinian refugees, and the United Nations High Commision for Refugees (UNHCR), which looks after everybody else. Compare the statistics of the two agencies:

UNRWA

UNRWA serves only Arab Palestinian refugees, and some 4.6 million are registered. This includes the children & grandchildren of the original Arab refugees of 1948. The areas of operation are Gaza, Lebanon, Syria, Jordan and West Bank. UNRWA employs over 27,000 staff in two Headquarter Offices (Gaza and Amman), five Field Offices (Gaza, Lebanon, Syria, Jordan and West Bank), and four Representative/Liaison Offices (New York, Geneva, Brussels and Cairo). As of 31 May 2008, the Agency's largest contributors for 2008 are the United States, the European Commission, Sweden, the United Kingdom, Norway and the Netherlands. UNRWA’s General Assembly-approved cash budget for 2008 is US$ 541.8 million. This funds the Agency’s ongoing Education, Health and Relief and Social Services activities. This works out to budget of $11,778 per year to look after each Palestinian.

UNHCR

The UNHCR employs a staff of 6,300 people in more than 110 countries to help 32.9 million persons.
The total annual budget for 2008 was $1.5 billion. This works out to budget of $4,545 per year to look after each refugee.

The UNHCR website looks very much like a charity, focused on serving people in need without partisan political propaganda. In contrast, he UNRWA website is thick with militant political slogans and speeches condemning Israel and glorifying the Palestinian Resistance. Revealing isn't it?

How UNRWA undermines Palestinian Democracy

UNRWA performs most of the usual functions of governance for the Palestinian population: education, medical care, food distribution, water & sewage. As such, they are a major employer among Palestinian Arabs. The effect of this internationally funded welfare is to relieve the the local administration, whether in the West Bank or in Gaza, of all the usual responsibilities of government. This leaves the two terrorist organizations, Fatah & Hamas, free to engage in their "core competency", terrorism. In other words, through the UNRWA, the international community, including the US, aids & abets Palestinian terrorism against Israel.

Another effect of this arrangement is to undermine democracy in the Palestinian territories, since the people need not rely upon Hamas or Fatah for normal services. It is not in the interest of Fatah or Hamas to work for peace, as that would remove their funding structure. It's not even in the interest of the Palestinian people to demand their leaders work for peace, as peace would undermine their largest employer and a host of services they rely upon. All the incentives of the UNRWA system mitigate against peace in favour of terrorism. The entire system is structured to perpetuate terrorism.

627 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 7:31:41am

re: #615 bellamags

re: #598 Walter L. Newton

So what, now I'm a bitch? ; )

No, no, no... I love you.

628 bellamags  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 7:32:42am

re: #627 Walter L. Newton

No, no, no... I love you.

{walter}

629 Ford_Prefect  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 7:32:49am

re: #611 WriterMom

DUDE. They are "Froot" Loops. I was devastated a few weeks ago when I finally actually read the box. They are so, totally not "fruit". LOL.

Are you serious? Does that mean I can't count them as one of my servings of fruits and vegetables? That's disappointing.

630 MandyManners  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 7:33:05am

re: #619 3 wood

Putting aside his beef with the NYT, I will say, as an expert in Economics who has taught both Macro and Micro economics at the undergraduate and graduate levels, I will say that O'Reilly has consistently said incorrect stuff on his show about economics and how prices of commodities like oil works.

Given his education, I have to think he knows better.

He's an entertainer more than anything.

From Wiki: O'Reilly received his B.A. in History in 1971, he earned an M.A. in Broadcast Journalism from Boston University (where he attended school with Howard Stern) in 1976. While attending Boston University, he was a reporter and columnist for various local newspapers and alternative news weeklies, including The Boston Phoenix. O'Reilly did his broadcast journalism internship in Miami during this time and was also an entertainment writer and movie critic for The Miami Herald. O'Reilly also earned a Master of Public Administration from Harvard University's John F. Kennedy School of Government. At Harvard, he was also a student of Marvin Kalb.[10]

631 FrogMarch  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 7:33:10am

I posted this yesterday - can anyone imagine Matt Lauer asking President Bush that same question? *pffft*

632 Ojoe  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 7:33:18am

re: #596 Ayatollah Ghilmeini

106 updings

633 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 7:33:20am

re: #610 Honorary Yooper

Gee, Walter, you're quite the ray of bright sunshine on this cloudy morning.
/

No cloudy here in Golden. For a mater of fact, it was 15 degrees last night, and it will be in the 70's by Thursday day. I want more winter here. It's been a dry winter, not a heck of a lot of snow down here. Mountains doing fine, ski places happy as all get out.

634 WriterMom  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 7:33:46am

re: #629 Ford_Prefect

Just have chocolate cake, you'll get your milk and grain from that.

/ht Bill Cosby

635 Ford_Prefect  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 7:33:46am

re: #615 bellamags

re: #598 Walter L. Newton

So what, now I'm a bitch? ; )

Now wait a minute. My comment didn't make you a bitch. ;-)

636 Optimizer  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 7:33:51am

re: #617 realwest

"Its over" WHAT? C'mon LT it ain't over and we aren't going down the road to socialism all the way, because more than half the population will still have to believe in Obama once his stimulas plan goes into effect and they are still suffering so much.And remember - the MSM WILL turn on Obama, its just a question of when, not if.
Remember, at least in the House of Representatives this is a 100% Democratic Bill now - and they can't dodge out from under (though some are frantically trying to - see Senator Dodd (D-Stupid) who has decided to refi his two loans with Countrywide so as to not give any impression of wrongdoing. No impression of wrongdoing doesn't = no wrongdoing.
The chickens are gonna come home to roost.

You assume rationality will win out, when rationality was denied during the election. Obama is already "managing expectations", saying it will take "years"; the left is feverishly painting this as the fault of Bush and "greedy capitalists". FDR's policies didn't work, either, but they stuck with him.

I think our real hope lies in the fact that the independents that voted for him didn't realize what they were getting into. Cross your fingers.

637 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 7:34:18am

BBIAB

638 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 7:34:27am

re: #617 realwest

Hope you are right, unfortunately I keep seeing this tide of morons who think they can get something for nothing who will keep voting in crooks who will pander to that.

I'm really beginning to think we can no longer re-educate the populace before the greatest economy the world has ever seen is destroyed with a debt load that makes our money worthless (Weimar Republic level worthless).

639 aboo-Hoo-Hoo  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 7:34:27am

re: #548 albusteve

why wont he himself sit in front of a panel and explain his plan to the public?....because he is spineless fraud that uses propaganda instead of reason and merit...it borders on criminal to me...and the media is his mule...what a disgrace this kid is

Yeppers. His people(not necessarily Obummer) should be able to lay-out a plan - by expenditure - and point to a month then say, 'at this point in time this expenditure should add an estimated 'x' number of people to the job rolls' if these are truly 'shovel ready' projects. Of course they are not, so they can't.

Now if Obummer's plan is to collapse and/or wreak havoc on corporations and subsequently the economy he may be fast-tracking the Nation on to a critical path which we may not be able to get-off in time.

640 WriterMom  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 7:35:02am

re: #626 Kenneth

So, what you're saying is that the Palestinians get the most bloated, motherfucking jizyah, perma-"refugee" situation on the planet, and damn all the rest of the real refugees in the world?

You say it like it's news!

641 Ford_Prefect  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 7:35:09am

re: #634 WriterMom

Just have chocolate cake, you'll get your milk and grain from that.

/ht Bill Cosby

Great!

/looking in frig...

642 MandyManners  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 7:35:46am

re: #626 Kenneth

A Tale of Two Refugee Agencies

Most people are probably not aware, there are two separate UN agencies charged with looking after refugees. The United Nations Relief and Works Agency (UNRWA), which serves only Arab Palestinian refugees, and the United Nations High Commision for Refugees (UNHCR), which looks after everybody else. Compare the statistics of the two agencies:

UNRWA


The UNHCR website looks very much like a charity, focused on serving people in need without partisan political propaganda. In contrast, he UNRWA website is thick with militant political slogans and speeches condemning Israel and glorifying the Palestinian Resistance. Revealing isn't it?

How UNRWA undermines Palestinian Democracy

UNRWA performs most of the usual functions of governance for the Palestinian population: education, medical care, food distribution, water & sewage. As such, they are a major employer among Palestinian Arabs. The effect of this internationally funded welfare is to relieve the the local administration, whether in the West Bank or in Gaza, of all the usual responsibilities of government. This leaves the two terrorist organizations, Fatah & Hamas, free to engage in their "core competency", terrorism. In other words, through the UNRWA, the international community, including the US, aids & abets Palestinian terrorism against Israel.

Another effect of this arrangement is to undermine democracy in the Palestinian territories, since the people need not rely upon Hamas or Fatah for normal services. It is not in the interest of Fatah or Hamas to work for peace, as that would remove their funding structure. It's not even in the interest of the Palestinian people to demand their leaders work for peace, as peace would undermine their largest employer and a host of services they rely upon. All the incentives of the UNRWA system mitigate against peace in favour of terrorism. The entire system is structured to perpetuate terrorism.

Who is Karen AbuZayd married to?

643 claspur  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 7:36:18am

re: #623 Walter L. Newton

Wallll'ulter?
People that have read this site for two years aren't "Lurkers."

..........and Mandy's the only one in here that gets to use The F'wurd, without eminant danger of getting booted out.(that's my so-called Lurker knowlege there, Walter)

644 bellamags  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 7:36:37am

re: #635 Ford_Prefect

Now wait a minute. My comment didn't make you a bitch. ;-)

ummmm - you said i was just like that bitch Snow White. I am not like HER - she is a bitch, she thinks she can sing and hangs out with too many dudes.

645 JCM  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 7:36:45am

Morning Honco Lizards!

Norko continues to push......

North Korea to 'Test Missile Capable of Striking U.S.'

The Yonhap News Agency in Seoul quoted South Korean officials who described satellite image showing a long cylindrical object being transported on a train through the North Korean countryside. The sinister object has been identified as a Taepodong-2, an intercontinental missile with a range of more than 4000 miles, capable of crossing the Pacific and striking targets in Hawaii or Alaska.
646 jcw46  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 7:36:57am

re: #556 realwest

Well I'm not denying that the Repub's went on a spending spree under Bush, but please keep in mind that a LOT of that money went to building up a credible military after Clinton tore it apart, R&R and production of the Air Dominence Fighter for the next decade or so (the F-22 Raptor) the war in Afgahnistan, the liberation and war in Iraq and something called Katrina.
The Dem's can't muster enough balls to do anything except CUT defense spending and ignore the (mostly) White folks in Ky.
Big difference when you take those numbers into account.

Sorry no, I ain't letting them off the hook. they spent money on the same crap the dems do but more toward the business end. and they NEVER CUT ANYTHING FROM THE BUDGET!

And they never got rid of some of the wasteful and useless depts in the bureaucracy. If they had they would HAVE HAD MORE MONEY FOR THE WAR AND THE MILITARY, but they didn't.

They're just the republican wing of the democrat party as far as I'm concerned. look who's the chairman, who are some of the top people in the party? THEY'RE EX-DEMOCRATS! THEY'RE RINOS. They chose the repub party 'cause for whatever reason they didn't fit or didn't want to struggle to gain position in the dem party. So they went repub BECAUSE IT WAS EASIER.

Republicans are just Democrats who whine about how much money they're letting the Democrats spend to try to seem frugal and responsible. WHAT F*CKING HYPOCRITES!

Yeah you can single out individuals as conservative but overall that's what they've done as a party and that's what counts.
At best, they're like Charlie Brown who lets Lucy hold the football for him and EVERYTIME she pulls it away. After the 3rd or 4th time, it becomes HIS fault that he falls down when she pulls it away.

I personally don't see how they could rehabilitate themselves to me. I don't trust any of them especially after looking into their personal bios more closely. (look at Steele's bio and tell me honestly that some of the things he's been involved with in his past don't make you concerned)
So many of the so-called "conservatives" we have grown to accept as such have been given the label by.... (wait for it).... THE LEFT WING MFM O-SUCKING MEDIA.
Or they have SELF-DECLARED themselves to be "conservative".
I can count about 10-20 top so-called "conservatives" as having suspect or outright backgrounds and have shown support for things NO conservative would consider.
The Whigs were replaced by the Republicans but there was a transition period after the initial implosion over slavery. The Republicans have shown they cannot lead concerning social and fiscal issues and they must go!

647 Ben Hur  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 7:36:59am
648 FrogMarch  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 7:37:15am

re: #585 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

Indeed.
It's time for them to grow a spine and take a stand against socialism.

649 yma o hyd  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 7:37:23am

re: #626 Kenneth

Thanks - hearted!

Eleven thousand dollars per annum for each Palestinina - and they're still starving?
That is more, btw, than people on the state pension get here in the UK!

650 Bumr50  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 7:37:44am

re: #619 3 wood

I've honestly never liked Bill O'Reilly, and this incident further cements my opinion of him as a huckster.
Not that hucksterism is bad, I just find that my time is much better spent elsewhere than listening to him.
While I don't believe the same thing of Rush Limbaugh, I don't listen to him either because I personally find him annoying. He does have some good ideas (which will surface in places other than his show), as opposed to O'Reilly whose only contributions that I've liked recently have been exchanges with Dennis Miller.

651 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 7:37:45am

re: #643 claspur

Wallll'ulter?
People that have read this site for two years aren't "Lurkers."

..........and Mandy's the only one in here that gets to use The F'wurd, without eminant danger of getting booted out.(that's my so-called Lurker knowlege there, Walter)

Umm... by definition a person who reads but doesn't post is a "lurker".

I don't see that classification as a pejorative.

652 albusteve  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 7:38:08am

re: #639 aboo-Hoo-Hoo

Yeppers. His people(not necessarily Obummer) should be able to lay-out a plan - by expenditure - and point to a month then say, 'at this point in time this expenditure should add an estimated 'x' number of people to the job rolls' if these are truly 'shovel ready' projects. Of course they are not, so they can't.

Now if Obummer's plan is to collapse and/or wreak havoc on corporations and subsequently the economy he may be fast-tracking the Nation on to a critical path which we may not be able to get-off in time.

the writing is on the wall...govt ownership of the economy itself....
I hate the feds

653 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 7:38:32am

re: #645 JCM

Morning Honco Lizards!

Norko continues to push......

North Korea to 'Test Missile Capable of Striking U.S.'

Wake me up if it gets further than 50 miles this time before crashing into the ocean.

654 3 wood  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 7:38:34am

re: #630 MandyManners

O'Reilly also earned a Master of Public Administration from Harvard University's John F. Kennedy School of Government.

Which means that he studied enough economics to know better than spout the conspiracy stuff he does on his show.

If there were all these conspiracies to fix prices in the spot market, then how come it's not working now?

But you watch, the next time oil gets up to $70 or $90 a barrel, he will be back at his conspiracy stuff again.

655 Honorary Yooper  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 7:38:50am

re: #618 FrogMarch

fer crying out loud.
What is it about Illinois and political corruption? It's so entrenched that it's completely bi-partisan.

TFK is right about the "two party evil money cult", he just has the state wrong. In Illinois, we politely refer to it as The Combine. The Combine is an alliance of Repulicans and Democrats (usually Cook County Dems) looking out for their own sons, daughters, pocketbooks, and not for the public interest. Most of the Republicans involved in The Combine are RINOs, willing to wheel and peddle their influence with the Dems.

As it stands right now, there are several members of The Combine in BHO's administration: BHO himself, Ray LaHood, David Axelrod, Rahm Emanuel, Eric Holder, and a few others. It's going to be a very interesting four years watching them in action as they fleece the country.

656 claspur  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 7:38:53am

Walter's kind-of funny, I've noticed, all of a sudden....

657 Throbert McGee  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 7:39:40am

re: #20 buzzsawmonkey

He's-a seeker than-a who? He's-a seem perfectly well-a yesterday.

But does he have a haddock? He should take a bear for that.

/Chico

658 albusteve  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 7:40:04am

re: #651 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

Umm... by definition a person who reads but doesn't post is a "lurker".

I don't see that classification as a pejorative.

I lurk....therefore I am

659 jcw46  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 7:40:08am

re: #572 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

They were in trouble before the economy tanked. Current political leanings aside, I think the bigger worry is that the government steps in and by dint of ownership supplants the supposed freedom of the press.

And we get the "official view" the way the Europeans do.

and how's that different from what we have now?

660 realwest  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 7:40:25am

re: #549 FrogMarch
Well I'm not saying the Republicans in the Senate won't add more pork (sorta along the lines of "If this fucker's gonna pass I'd better get something for MY constituents) but that's not what Sen. McCain said two days ago; and this morning on F&F Michael Steele was pretty good - talking about how there's a transistion at the RNC - whole new team coming in to replace the old one, and that he intends to use the internet the way Obama did, but better. He seemed pretty upbeat about this "stimulus plan" not getting much if any Republican support and mentioned three congressional races he's focused on now and sending money to NOW.
Methinks Mr. Steele is EXACTLY what the Republicans need right now.

661 JCM  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 7:40:29am

re: #653 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

Wake me up if it gets further than 50 miles this time before crashing into the ocean.

The YAL-1 has that effect on things......
;-P

662 SasquatchOnSteroids  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 7:40:46am

re: #645 JCM

Morning Honco Lizards!

Norko continues to push......

North Korea to 'Test Missile Capable of Striking U.S.'

What was it Steyn said ?

Kim Jong Il has No Dong.

663 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 7:40:57am

re: #645 JCM

Morning Honco Lizards!

Norko continues to push......

North Korea to 'Test Missile Capable of Striking U.S.'

The last time they tried a missile like this, it blew up after less than a minute.
I'm hoping the next one lands on their "dear" leader.

664 monkeytime  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 7:40:59am

re: #651 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

Umm... by definition a person who reads but doesn't post is a "lurker".

I don't see that classification as a pejorative.

But some people read for two years because they are waiting to catch open registration.

665 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 7:41:07am

re: #658 albusteve

I lurk....therefore I am

No, if you lurk, you might be... we can't tell if you exist or not. :-)

666 claspur  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 7:41:13am

re: #651 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)


Good Definition, Vet.

My whole point was tho, I wasn't ever to find The Door open at a time I was in here to get registered-in, was my point.

667 realwest  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 7:41:16am

Well y'all I gotta run - appoitments and such. Hope you all have a great day and that I get the chance to see you all down the road!

668 aboo-Hoo-Hoo  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 7:41:17am

re: #659 jcw46

and how's that different from what we have now?

Yea.

669 beblebrox  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 7:42:06am

re: #611 WriterMom

DUDE. They are "Froot" Loops. I was devastated a few weeks ago when I finally actually read the box. They are so, totally not "fruit". LOL.

GTFO! Next your going to tell me there are no apples in Apple Jacks. Go ahead, fine. Just go ahead and destroy all my childhood memories. :p

/just kidding. good morning

670 Optimizer  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 7:42:35am

re: #619 3 wood

Putting aside his beef with the NYT, I will say, as an expert in Economics who has taught both Macro and Micro economics at the undergraduate and graduate levels, I will say that O'Reilly has consistently said incorrect stuff on his show about economics and how prices of commodities like oil works.

Given his education, I have to think he knows better.

I have always thought the same thing about him. He's pandering to the least common denominator for ratings.

The classic example, to me, is his jerky "don't buy gas on Sunday" (or whechever day of the week) campaigns. As though it matters to an oil company which day you buy your gas. It's just REALLY stupid. If anything, if EVERYBODY got on board with it, the oil companies could SAVE MONEY, by not paying to staff their gas stations every day! Regardless, that whole campaign belied a certain fascist streak in him, methinks.

671 Honorary Yooper  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 7:42:40am

re: #633 Walter L. Newton

No cloudy here in Golden. For a mater of fact, it was 15 degrees last night, and it will be in the 70's by Thursday day. I want more winter here. It's been a dry winter, not a heck of a lot of snow down here. Mountains doing fine, ski places happy as all get out.

Want some of ours? NW Indiana is supposed to see up to 18 inches of lake effect today and tonight.

672 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 7:42:59am

re: #664 monkeytime

But some people read for two years because they are waiting to catch open registration.

It still isn't a slam against them. The difference there is that the lurking wasn't voluntary.

673 Killian Bundy  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 7:43:02am

/Rael must decide

674 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 7:43:04am

re: #611 WriterMom

DUDE. They are "Froot" Loops. I was devastated a few weeks ago when I finally actually read the box. They are so, totally not "fruit". LOL.

And "Apple Jacks" don't taste like apples or jacks. Discuss.

675 monkeytime  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 7:43:10am

Bye Westy!

676 albusteve  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 7:43:28am

re: #665 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

No, if you lurk, you might be... we can't tell if you exist or not. :-)

mwaahahaha!...

677 JCM  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 7:43:28am

re: #663 Kosh's Shadow

The last time they tried a missile like this, it blew up after less than a minute.
I'm hoping the next one lands on their "dear" leader.

Would be nice, he's sitting in a reviewing stand watching it go off course....

Ruh, roh.........

678 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 7:43:30am

re: #669 beblebrox

GTFO! Next your going to tell me there are no apples in Apple Jacks. Go ahead, fine. Just go ahead and destroy all my childhood memories. :p

/just kidding. good morning

And there's no Captain in Captain Crunch, either.
(Unless you use a brand of spiced rum instead of milk)

679 claspur  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 7:43:49am

re: #666 claspur

re: #665 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

*Sir. ooorah!

680 Summersong  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 7:43:57am

Recent Matt Lauer interview with Frank Langella (Frost/Nixon movie)

Lauer: You really are Nixon.

Langella : No, I'm not.

Lauer: Well, I mean in the movie.

Langella : In the movie? Yes, in the movie.


Strange moment.

681 monkeytime  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 7:44:04am

re: #672 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

It still isn't a slam against them. The difference there is that the lurking wasn't voluntary.

Point taken Vet. :>)

682 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 7:44:08am

re: #676 albusteve

mwaahahaha!...

Sock Puppet! J'accuse!

683 JCM  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 7:44:21am

re: #669 beblebrox

GTFO! Next your going to tell me there are no apples in Apple Jacks. Go ahead, fine. Just go ahead and destroy all my childhood memories. :p

/just kidding. good morning

I suppose next you'll tell me there is no Captain in Captain Crunch!

684 JCM  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 7:44:45am

re: #678 Kosh's Shadow

And there's no Captain in Captain Crunch, either.
(Unless you use a brand of spiced rum instead of milk)

re: #683 JCM

I suppose next you'll tell me there is no Captain in Captain Crunch!

ROFL!
GMTA!

685 FrogMarch  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 7:44:51am

re: #655 Honorary Yooper

TFK is right about the "two party evil money cult", he just has the state wrong. In Illinois, we politely refer to it as The Combine. The Combine is an alliance of Repulicans and Democrats (usually Cook County Dems) looking out for their own sons, daughters, pocketbooks, and not for the public interest. Most of the Republicans involved in The Combine are RINOs, willing to wheel and peddle their influence with the Dems.

As it stands right now, there are several members of The Combine in BHO's administration: BHO himself, Ray LaHood, David Axelrod, Rahm Emanuel, Eric Holder, and a few others. It's going to be a very interesting four years watching them in action as they fleece the country.

Lordy.
The Cook County Combine is in control. And we let it happen. I feel sadness for our nation.

686 Ford_Prefect  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 7:44:56am

re: #644 bellamags

ummmm - you said i was just like that bitch Snow White. I am not like HER - she is a bitch, she thinks she can sing and hangs out with too many dudes.

Don't get me started on her singing. Ever since she showed up I have completely lost the upper register of my hearing. No living creature is supposed to hit notes that high. We don't have a single piece of crystal left in this house, thanks to her. As for hanging out with too many dudes, you can't really count Happy, he's a little light in the loafers, if you know what I mean. Sleepy is asleep more than awake. Bashful won't go near her. Sneezy is allergic to her. Doc kinda creeps her out, he is always asking to 'examine' her. And I just can't stand her. I have no idea what she sees in Dopey.

687 Kenneth  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 7:44:57am

re: #640 WriterMom

No, it's not news. But it is important for people to know that the terrorism is not a nasty problem which the "international community" is working to eliminate by pursuing the "peace process". The very process which the international community has established undermines peace. It really should be renamed the "Terror Process".

688 beblebrox  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 7:45:04am

re: #678 Kosh's Shadow

And there's no Captain in Captain Crunch, either.
(Unless you use a brand of spiced rum instead of milk)

Well I'm going back to Honeycomb Hideout and see what they have to say about this.

689 Bumr50  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 7:45:20am

re: #660 realwest

I hope he actually follows through with the new technology incentives. I personally think that Republicans are VERY inaccessible and cold when compared to Democrats.
We need to educate and inform to attract newcomers, and generally be more accepting of frivolity(?), while still maintaining core principles.
A fine line.

690 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 7:46:07am

re: #677 JCM

Would be nice, he's sitting in a reviewing stand watching it go off course....

Ruh, roh.........

Reminds me of a story I heard about the Soviets testing the N-1 rocket; their moon rocket.
One test, a general insisted on viewing from outside, not behind a blast shield. The techs couldn't look bad so they had to go outside as well. They knew better, as it had blown up the next time.
They lost a lot of rocket engineers and techs that time. The N-1 never succeeded in launching very far before blowing up.

691 albusteve  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 7:46:08am

re: #682 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

Sock Puppet! J'accuse!

"I cried because I had no shoes...
til I met a man who had no socks"

692 claspur  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 7:46:20am

re: #676 albusteve


AbusiveSteve is pretty funny, I've noticed, the last few days... *snick

693 eschew_obfuscation  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 7:46:27am

re: #645 JCM

Morning Honco Lizards!

Norko continues to push......

North Korea to 'Test Missile Capable of Striking U.S.'


Good Morning!

Hey, I was thinking about this story just this morning. My first thought was that the Norks are just blowing smoke (even if they are testing such a missile) because they would never risk the wrath of the U.S. by actually using one.

Then reality caught up with me when I remembered that that little Hirohito guy from just next door was stupid enough to attack Pearl Harbor back in the day.

694 opnion  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 7:46:44am

It's now a little more clear why Steelrers owner Dan Rooney campaigned with Obama all over Western PA & gave him a shout out at the trophy presentation. According to O'Reiley, Rooney is a candidate for US ambassador to Ireland.

695 bellamags  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 7:47:01am

re: #686 Ford_Prefect

LOL. What about Grumpy?

696 Throbert McGee  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 7:47:10am

re: #611 WriterMom

DUDE. They are "Froot" Loops. I was devastated a few weeks ago when I finally actually read the box. They are so, totally not "fruit". LOL.

I thought a "Froot Loop" was a big shiny chrome ring that some guys wear on their...
...nehmind.

697 Kenneth  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 7:47:19am

re: #649 yma o hyd

Thanks - hearted!

Eleven thousand dollars per annum for each Palestinian - and they're still starving?
That is more, btw, than people on the state pension get here in the UK!

That is just the amount spent by UNRWA. There are millions more dollars spent by other official organizations and private charities.

698 MandyManners  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 7:47:37am

re: #654 3 wood

Which means that he studied enough economics to know better than spout the conspiracy stuff he does on his show.

If there were all these conspiracies to fix prices in the spot market, then how come it's not working now?

But you watch, the next time oil gets up to $70 or $90 a barrel, he will be back at his conspiracy stuff again.

Conspiracy stuff about oil? Could you briefly explain?

699 jcw46  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 7:48:18am

re: #617 realwest

name me ONE instance of the THE LEFT WING MFM O-SUCKING MEDIA WHORES going after one of their top icons? Hillary just got derated and only cause they fell in love with the O.
Plus, even if they jump on someone, they still don't pariah them. Look at that asshat Jimmy "I never met a tyrant/terrorist who just needed a hug" Carter. They still don't talk about the disasters He has fostered by his middling.

700 JCM  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 7:48:39am

re: #680 Summersong

Recent Matt Lauer interview with Frank Langella (Frost/Nixon movie)

Lauer: You really are Nixon.

Langella : No, I'm not.

Lauer: Well, I mean in the movie.

Langella : In the movie? Yes, in the movie.

Strange moment.

You catch Lauer / Obama, what a freaking blow job....

MATT LAUER: — center at Guantanamo within a year. So the clock is ticking. And already you've heard the criticism that you don't know what you're gonna do with the 245 prisoners being held there.

PRESIDENT OBAMA: It's the right thing to do. It ultimately will make us safer. You've already seen in the reaction around the world — a different sense of America by us taking this action.

MATT LAUER: Some of these people may be released, the ones that seem —

PRESIDENT OBAMA: Yeah.

MATT LAUER: — to be less of a threat. But if one of those people that's released goes back and takes part in the planning of or carrying out of an attack against U.S. interests, you're gonna have a Willie Horton times 100 situation on your hands. How are you gonna deal with that?

PRESIDENT OBAMA: Of course I'm worried about it. Look, the — you know, I have to make the very best judgments I can make in terms of what's gonna keep the American people safe and is what — what's gonna uphold our Constitution and our traditions of due process ... If we don't uphold our Constitution and our values, that over time that will make us less safe. And that will be a recruitment tool for organizations like al-Qaida. That's what I've gotta keep my eye on.


What's is Lauer worried about? Death and damage from a Gitmo terrorist attacking the US?
NOOOOO!
He's worried about Obama's image.
*spit*
useless tool

701 Nevergiveup  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 7:48:40am

re: #694 opnion

It's now a little more clear why Steelrers owner Dan Rooney campaigned with Obama all over Western PA & gave him a shout out at the trophy presentation. According to O'Reiley, Rooney is a candidate for US ambassador to Ireland.

Why do they have a linebacker factory over there?

702 beblebrox  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 7:48:47am

re: #696 Throbert McGee

I thought a "Froot Loop" was a big shiny chrome ring that some guys wear on their...
...nehmind.

that would be Froot Loops: SanFran Style.

703 Ford_Prefect  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 7:49:08am

re: #695 bellamags

LOL. What about Grumpy?

ummm... that's me...

704 FrogMarch  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 7:49:21am

re: #660 realwest

Well I'm not saying the Republicans in the Senate won't add more pork (sorta along the lines of "If this fucker's gonna pass I'd better get something for MY constituents) but that's not what Sen. McCain said two days ago; and this morning on F&F Michael Steele was pretty good - talking about how there's a transistion at the RNC - whole new team coming in to replace the old one, and that he intends to use the internet the way Obama did, but better. He seemed pretty upbeat about this "stimulus plan" not getting much if any Republican support and mentioned three congressional races he's focused on now and sending money to NOW.
Methinks Mr. Steele is EXACTLY what the Republicans need right now.


The Steele win is a positive step. (I will support the Repubs again if they can prove they are serious about fighting the corruption)

705 Kenneth  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 7:49:24am

re: #642 MandyManners

Who is Karen AbuZayd married to?

Before joining the UNHCR, Ms. AbuZayd lectured in political science and Islamic studies at Makerere University in Kampala, Uganda, and at Juba University in southern Sudan. She earned her B.Sc. at DePauw University in Indiana and her M.A. in Islamic Studies at McGill University in Canada.

She is married to a Sudanese professor and has two children.

I'm sure he's very charming.

706 Optimizer  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 7:49:30am

re: #683 JCM

I suppose next you'll tell me there is no Captain in Captain Crunch!

Don't worry about this stuff. I bought a box of Quisp the other day and so can testify with authority that it does involve extra-terrestrials - there's a picture of one right on the box. So it's all lies!

707 MandyManners  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 7:50:15am

re: #686 Ford_Prefect

I have no idea what she sees in Dopey.

Duuuuuuuuuude. You say this yet wonder how she hits those high notes?

708 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 7:50:21am

Later Lizards!

709 Ford_Prefect  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 7:50:29am

re: #696 Throbert McGee

I thought a "Froot Loop" was a big shiny chrome ring that some guys wear on their...
...nehmind.

That's the Froot Loops with berries.

710 yma o hyd  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 7:50:43am

re: #697 Kenneth

That is just the amount spent by UNRWA. There are millions more dollars spent by other official organizations and private charities.

There is something seriously wrong with the minds of all our politicians when they cannot see that charity actually does begin at home.

Instead, they like to be regarded as 'saviours' of the poor of the world, and love having their pictures taken with Bono and Geldof ...
Dare to say anything about it, and you're branded a racist, publicly, by said politicians.

There are days when I think hiding under the blanket is actually a very good opition.

711 JCM  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 7:50:53am

re: #693 eschew_obfuscation

Good Morning!

Hey, I was thinking about this story just this morning. My first thought was that the Norks are just blowing smoke (even if they are testing such a missile) because they would never risk the wrath of the U.S. by actually using one.

Then reality caught up with me when I remembered that that little Hirohito guy from just next door was stupid enough to attack Pearl Harbor back in the day.

Iran and Norko are pushing buttons they haven't in a long time. Testing, pushing, the longer without any meaningful push back from Washington the more dangerous it gets.

712 Ford_Prefect  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 7:51:15am

re: #707 MandyManners

Duuuuuuuuuude. You say this yet wonder how she hits those high notes?

Are you the one who used to hide behind the trees watching us?

713 beblebrox  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 7:51:34am

re: #706 Optimizer

Don't worry about this stuff. I bought a box of Quisp the other day and so can testify with authority that it does involve extra-terrestrials - there's a picture of one right on the box. So it's all lies!

did it come with a free Illudium Q-36 Explosive Space Modulator in the box?

714 monkeytime  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 7:51:43am

Bye Vet. Have a good one!

715 nyc redneck  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 7:51:49am

re: #489 Ben Hur

Daniel Pearl and the Normalization of Evil

The real question is, will Brad Pitt, Angelina Jolie and the rest of the Hollywood freaks that have HIJACKED Daniel Pearl's memory and legacy stop the BS with the Daniel Pearl tatoos, the fake movies and utopian BS and actually LISTEN TO HIS PARENTS?

his parents love him. they do not want to make money on him. they mourn the loss of their son. and want the truth out.
these other assholes see him as a cash cow. not to mention a way to be seen as open minded and understanding. setting an example for us to love haedchopping monsters.

716 Bumr50  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 7:51:54am

re: #694 opnion

As a Pittsburgher, I am insulted at your insinuation that Dan Rooney would sell out his values for an ambassadorship.
Rooney truly believes in Obama, as do a lot of "aging" consevatives making their end-of-life trek to the left.
You have to agree that this is something that we've seen.
Dan Rooney is NOT a sellout.

717 MandyManners  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 7:52:56am

re: #705 Kenneth

I'm sure he's very charming.

So a pro-Muslim asshole is in charge of UNRWA. Great. Just fucking great.

718 yma o hyd  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 7:53:16am

re: #711 JCM

Iran and Norko are pushing buttons they haven't in a long time. Testing, pushing, the longer without any meaningful push back from Washington the more dangerous it gets.

Yep - but wasn't that rather predictable?
Both the button-pushing and the absence of any push-back.

719 Nevergiveup  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 7:53:20am

The United Nations said on Monday that the approximately 42 Palestinians killed four weeks ago in an Israel Defense Forces attack on a UN school in the Gaza Strip were killed outside of the facility, and not indoors as previously stated.


[Link: www.haaretz.com...]

You mean initial palestinian reports were inaccurate?

720 eschew_obfuscation  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 7:53:25am

re: #654 3 wood

Which means that he studied enough economics to know better than spout the conspiracy stuff he does on his show.

If there were all these conspiracies to fix prices in the spot market, then how come it's not working now?

But you watch, the next time oil gets up to $70 or $90 a barrel, he will be back at his conspiracy stuff again.

I had a conversation recently with a former VP from a respected insurance company who asked quite seriously why the price of gas was down around $2.00/gal...... after all, the oil companies had already seen that they could get $4.00/gal ...... why would they drop the price?

I tried to explain, but it didn't seem to sink in.

I ended up walking away shaking my head.

721 Optimizer  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 7:53:36am

re: #713 beblebrox

did it come with a free Illudium Q-36 Explosive Space Modulator in the box?

I'll have to check...

722 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 7:54:21am

re: #643 claspur

Wallll'ulter?
People that have read this site for two years aren't "Lurkers."

..........and Mandy's the only one in here that gets to use The F'wurd, without eminant danger of getting booted out.(that's my so-called Lurker knowlege there, Walter)

How old are you?

723 Throbert McGee  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 7:54:52am

re: #696 Throbert McGee

I thought a "Froot Loop" was a big shiny chrome ring...

Which reminds of a possibly-apocryphal quote I've seen attributed to Anita Bryant -- allegedly she once went on a rant about how "Fruit of the Loom" underwear was secretly owned by the Homosexual Agenda. The smoking-gun proof being, of course, that "Fruit" was right there in the brand name!

(Mind you, it sounds too good to be true, and is more likely someone's satirical riff on Bryant having been a Florida Citrus spokesperson.)

Of course, Bryant's heyday as a WSPTotC activist was sort of before my time, and I didn't "get" Leslie Nielsen's reference to her in That Movie.

724 albusteve  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 7:55:10am

re: #701 Nevergiveup

Why do they have a linebacker factory over there?

and QBs
Marino
Namath
Montana
Unitus

725 monkeytime  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 7:55:24am

re: #721 Optimizer

I'll have to check...


Read the fine print. It might be a mail in with box top offer.

726 yma o hyd  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 7:55:26am

re: #717 MandyManners

So a pro-Muslim asshole is in charge of UNRWA. Great. Just fucking great.

But surely - only a Muslim can truly understand the needs of fellow Muslims?

//

727 albusteve  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 7:55:46am

re: #707 MandyManners

Duuuuuuuuuude. You say this yet wonder how she hits those high notes?

Ha...............Haha

728 eschew_obfuscation  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 7:55:58am

re: #713 beblebrox

did it come with a free Illudium Q-36 Explosive Space Modulator in the box?

My box had one.....but they left out the Earth-Shattering Kaboom. I was so bummed.

729 MandyManners  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 7:56:25am

Why is my name being dragged into something with which I have nothing to do?

730 3 wood  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 7:56:35am
White House performance officer withdraws candidacy

WASHINGTON (MarketWatch) -- Nancy Killefer, President Barack Obama's candidate to be the first chief performance officer for the U.S. government, has withdrawn her candidacy, the White House confirmed Tuesday. No reason was given but the Associated Press reported that she made an error on her taxes in 2005. The report comes as Health and Human Services Secretary-designate Tom Daschle is facing scrutiny over his failure to pay some taxes.

Gee these socialists don't like paying taxes.

731 JCM  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 7:56:40am

More tax trouble for Obama appointees......

Obama's Choice for Chief Performance Officer Withdraws Name

Nancy Killefer, the management consultant and former Treasury official who had been picked by President Obama to serve as the country's chief performance officer, has withdrawn from consideration for the post, White House officials confirmed this morning.

Officials in the White House refused to say why she has withdrawn her name, but said more details will come later in the day.

Shortly after her appointment, the Associated Press reported that Killifer had a tax lien placed on her house by the D.C. government on her house because of a failure to pay unemployment taxes on household help.


I guess patriotism is not required for Obama's appointees.
Just for the bitter & clingy.

732 DeafDog  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 7:56:50am

re: #720 eschew_obfuscation

I had a conversation recently with a former VP from a respected insurance company who asked quite seriously why the price of gas was down around $2.00/gal...... after all, the oil companies had already seen that they could get $4.00/gal ...... why would they drop the price?

I tried to explain, but it didn't seem to sink in.

I ended up walking away shaking my head.

Which may, perhaps, explain why home and auto insurance rates are regulated.

733 MandyManners  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 7:57:09am

re: #726 yma o hyd

But surely - only a Muslim can truly understand the needs of fellow Muslims?

//

The blatant bigotry boggles the brain.

734 opnion  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 7:57:12am

re: #701 Nevergiveup

Why do they have a linebacker factory over there?

No, but they like rugby. It is supposed to be very cool & laid back to be Ambassador to Ireland. Why would Rooney thank Obama for the Steelers win? Hmmmmm

735 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 7:57:24am

Maisey the Parrot is certainly frisky this morning. She is on her perch, gurgling away, with her "rear" in the air. Morning wood?

736 [deleted]  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 7:57:29am
737 JCM  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 7:57:29am

re: #730 3 wood

5 seconds........
Got me by 5 seconds...

LOL!

738 Bumr50  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 7:57:38am

re: #729 MandyManners

You'd be amazed! Just the other day I got invited to something called a "Text Party"

///

739 Ford_Prefect  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 7:57:38am

re: #729 MandyManners

Why is my name being dragged into something with which I have nothing to do?

One of the dangers of being an icon.

740 3 wood  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 7:58:28am

re: #720 eschew_obfuscation

I had a conversation recently with a former VP from a respected insurance company who asked quite seriously why the price of gas was down around $2.00/gal...... after all, the oil companies had already seen that they could get $4.00/gal ...... why would they drop the price?

I tried to explain, but it didn't seem to sink in.

I ended up walking away shaking my head.

Some people love conspiracy theories.

Look at all the JFK assassination theories

741 eschew_obfuscation  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 7:58:37am

re: #732 DeafDog

Which may, perhaps, explain why home and auto insurance rates are regulated.

Heh.... and that regulation keeps my company employed ;~)

742 yma o hyd  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 7:58:45am

re: #733 MandyManners

The blatant bigotry boggles the brain.

Aww - but she's a woman, that at least must seriously disturb some of the hamasholes ...

(Like that alliteration!)

743 nyc redneck  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 7:59:01am

re: #730 3 wood

Gee these socialists don't like paying taxes.

O loves crooks, cheats and general riff raff.

744 claspur  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 7:59:16am

re: #698 MandyManners

,,,,,,,,,,,,,and Wood, can we get a brief explanation too, with the price of a barrel of oil now at an almost all-time low now since I don't recall, the price of food hasn't dropped a bit?

745 LGoPs  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 7:59:28am

re: #731 JCM

More tax trouble for Obama appointees......

Obama's Choice for Chief Performance Officer Withdraws Name


I guess patriotism is not required for Obama's appointees.
Just for the bitter & clingy.

The question begs to be asked.....is there anybody. other than us great unwashed, who have paid their taxes.....?
The mind reels.........

746 3 wood  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 7:59:34am

re: #737 JCM

5 seconds........
Got me by 5 seconds...

Gotta be quick around here.

747 jcbunga  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 7:59:44am

This isn't helpful--

Obama's Performance czar withdraws candidacy
[Link: www.breitbart.com...]

Here's my favorite part--
"During that period, Killefer and her husband, an economics professor, had a teenage son and daughter, but she had two nannies and a personal assistant to run her life when she was on the road, she told Harvard business students back then. "

How do the peasants survive?

Now I see why there's no parking in DC. Every house has 3 f*ing hand maidens.

748 opnion  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 8:00:01am

re: #716 Bumr50

As a Pittsburgher, I am insulted at your insinuation that Dan Rooney would sell out his values for an ambassadorship.
Rooney truly believes in Obama, as do a lot of "aging" consevatives making their end-of-life trek to the left.
You have to agree that this is something that we've seen.
Dan Rooney is NOT a sellout.

Well, you might be insulted, I can't help that. Why would he thank Obama for a Steelers win? I am just speculating , & I think that it is completely fair speculation.

749 MandyManners  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 8:00:25am

re: #731 JCM

More tax trouble for Obama appointees......

Obama's Choice for Chief Performance Officer Withdraws Name


I guess patriotism is not required for Obama's appointees.
Just for the bitter & clingy.

WTF is a Chief Performance Officer other than just one more layer of beaucracy?

During the presidential campaign, Obama proposed the creation of a "SWAT team" composed of "top-performing and highly-trained government professionals" that would work with government agency leaders and the Office of Management and Budget to eliminate government waste and improve efficiency.

"The CPO will work with federal agencies to set tough performance targets and hold managers responsible for progress," according to the campaign proposal. "The president will meet regularly with cabinet officers to review the progress their agencies are making toward meeting performance improvement targets."

Again, it's all about the process.

750 JCM  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 8:00:48am

re: #746 3 wood

Gotta be quick around here.

Ain't that the truth!

751 claspur  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 8:01:19am

re: #729 MandyManners

Because you flat-out Rock, Mandy....and I only say that in a totally endearing sense....

752 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 8:01:33am

re: #744 claspur

By the way. Above, I asked you how old you are. Can you respond?

753 eschew_obfuscation  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 8:01:33am

re: #743 nyc redneck

O loves crooks, cheats and general riff raff.

Well, the "O" is getting a number of his people from the Clinton cabal. Remember how many failures Bill had getting appointees either to confirmation hearings or through successfully?

754 MandyManners  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 8:01:53am

re: #735 Walter L. Newton

Maisey the Parrot is certainly frisky this morning. She is on her perch, gurgling away, with her "rear" in the air. Morning wood?

What?
What?

755 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 8:02:08am

re: #724 albusteve

and QBs
Marino
Namath
Montana
Unitus

I think that factory has moved to Eastern Pennsylvania. Joe Flacco & Matt Ryan are both from the Philadelphia area.

756 albusteve  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 8:02:11am

re: #744 claspur

,,,,,,,,,,,,,and Wood, can we get a brief explanation too, with the price of a barrel of oil now at an almost all-time low now since I don't recall, the price of food hasn't dropped a bit?

food is off the scale in ABQ...I'm down to strickly dry cereal and Black Eye vodka...
oh the humanity

757 Desert Dog  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 8:02:21am

Fresh off the presses at the Al-Guardian Fishwrapper and Birdcage Liner
Flying Pig Alert

As I recall, this place was an inescapable quagmire with no happy ending in sight. If we had listened to the Democratic leadership and our illustrious new President, we would have pulled out and left a mess of monumental proportions. Good call Dems, as usual you are WRONG.

758 avanti  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 8:02:41am

Obama nominating Gregg for Commerce live on news now.

759 lawhawk  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 8:02:48am

Greets and saluts from the NYC metro area, where the global warming is falling sideways but isn't making much of an impact on ground level for now...

Half a world away, the voices calling for genocide and destruction of Israel and of Jews worldwide continues to grow. We now have a major domo in Bangladesh declaring that Hitler should have finished the job, but seeing how he didn't, he and his fellow man have to finish the job for him. The interviewee nods approvingly.

Meanwhile, Iran moves a step closer to its own goals of having the tools capable of doing just that - it claims that a missile launched a satellite into orbit (North Korea is also threatening to launch one of its own). No independent confirmation, but it is extremely troubling given that the Iranians are mere months away from having sufficient nuclear materials on hand to build nuclear weapons.

At the same time, Hamas continues their war against Israel, and Israel's poltical class is just as feckless now as they've been for years. Livni says that Israel will carry out further operations in Gaza if the rockets continue to hit Israel.

Memo to Livni: They ARE still hitting Israel because Israel called off Operation Cast Lead before its military objectives were reached.

What do all those situations have in common? The wolves are closing in around Israel and they're preparing to pounce.

760 MandyManners  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 8:03:14am

re: #738 Bumr50

You'd be amazed! Just the other day I got invited to something called a "Text Party"

///

Anything like a Tupperware party?

761 [deleted]  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 8:03:17am
762 yma o hyd  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 8:03:22am

Just a little niggling response on those pesky niggling missile attacks:

'Israeli aircraft bombed smuggling tunnels connecting Gaza with Egypt on Tuesday after a rocket launched from the Islamist Hamas-ruled Gaza Strip struck theIsraeli port city of Ashkelon.
Residents of the Gaza border crossing town of Rafah and officials of Hamas said Israeli airforce planes were attacking the tunnels, which have been bombed several times since early January.(Reuters)'

[Link: www.ynetnews.com...]
'

763 FrogMarch  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 8:03:48am

re: #731 JCM

More tax trouble for Obama appointees......

Obama's Choice for Chief Performance Officer Withdraws Name


I guess patriotism is not required for Obama's appointees.
Just for the bitter & clingy.

No wonder democrats have no problem raising OUR taxes. They don't pay, so it's easy.

Democrats live to find news ways to tax people. Here in CO - our union-loving governor is talking about a new tax, based on miles driven.

764 beblebrox  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 8:03:54am

re: #728 eschew_obfuscation

My box had one.....but they left out the Earth-Shattering Kaboom. I was so bummed.

damnit! and the earth so obstructs my view of venus! Grrrrr!

765 lawhawk  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 8:04:02am

re: #740 3 wood

Conspiracy theories are a way for people to deal with uncomfortable facts and instances. It also comes from a lack of information and knowledge.

766 MandyManners  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 8:04:08am

re: #739 Ford_Prefect

One of the dangers of being an icon.

Icon? I'm just a Lizard.

767 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 8:04:17am

re: #754 MandyManners

What?
What?

It's called "presenting." Parrot's, or the opposite sex of it's owner, will "bond" in sort of a loving way. Well, all parrots bond with owners, but if you are of a different sex, the bond is a little more "personal."

So, Maisey the Parrot is a female, I'm a mail, and Maisey will, at times, bend over on her perch and "present" her backside to me.

You asked.

768 So?  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 8:04:39am

Seek and ye shall fondle.

769 Summersong  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 8:04:52am

Does Michelle Obama's jaw problem cause her tongue to constantly escape her mouth?

770 MandyManners  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 8:05:07am

re: #742 yma o hyd

Aww - but she's a woman, that at least must seriously disturb some of the hamasholes ...

(Like that alliteration!)

I doubt the ones firing the rockets give a shit about the UNRWA.

771 smokefire  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 8:05:18am

Last night Bill O'Reilly commented on TV video foul up that
Israelkoolhad posted several days ago, regarding a photo, of a squirrel, mis-inserted into a story of a murder of a local girl. O'Reilly, like Israellkool, thought this, too, was humorous. Both of us, wife and I have sent off emails to O'Reilly to complain of his insensitivity regarding this. I am sick of this shit. Yes, we are overly sensitive of this, because it happened in our little corner of the world.

Sorry about the rant.

772 Ford_Prefect  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 8:05:21am

re: #758 avanti

Obama nominating Gregg for Commerce live on news now.

What taxes did he not pay?

773 Kenneth  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 8:05:24am

Daniel Pearl and the Normalization of Evil

But the clearest endorsement of terror as a legitimate instrument of political bargaining came from former President Jimmy Carter. In his book "Palestine: Peace Not Apartheid," Mr. Carter appeals to the sponsors of suicide bombing. "It is imperative that the general Arab community and all significant Palestinian groups make it clear that they will end the suicide bombings and other acts of terrorism when international laws and the ultimate goals of the Road-map for Peace are accepted by Israel." Acts of terror, according to Mr. Carter, are no longer taboo, but effective tools for terrorists to address perceived injustices.

Worst president ever, even during his 4 miserable years in office. Yet he continues to harm and undermine freedom, democracy & peace in the world.

774 albusteve  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 8:05:28am

re: #755 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

I think that factory has moved to Eastern Pennsylvania. Joe Flacco & Matt Ryan are both from the Philadelphia area.

the BYU of the east...amazing actually...dont know much about Ryan but Flacco looks like the real deal

775 MandyManners  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 8:05:43am

re: #751 claspur

Well, thank you.

776 claspur  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 8:05:50am

re: #756 albusteve

Black-eyed Vahhka? lol
You're living too High for me, wiff my Distillers Choice? *hick ;o)

777 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 8:06:22am

re: #772 Ford_Prefect

What taxes did he not pay?

Don't worry, he's a republican, he's clean.

778 jcw46  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 8:06:31am

"Another day, another dollar".

Well gotta go earn my dollar for the day.
Of course with inflation that's now 3 dollars.
With the taxes for the PORK "stimulus" bill, it's only 2.25
And the gas price increase takes 1.25 so I'm back to a dollar.
That dollar only buys a third of what it used to so it's now 30 cents.
My daily expense are 28 cents.

So I'm going to go earn my 2 cents now and use it here when I get back.

779 J.S.  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 8:06:42am

re: #705 Kenneth

Karen must be a "revert." (yeah, there's a "seeker" -- "sucker" -- born every minute...)

780 Summersong  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 8:06:47am

re: #767 Walter L. Newton

"So, Maisey the Parrot is a female, I'm a mail, and Maisey will, at times, bend over on her perch and "present" her backside to me."

Paper tiger? ;)

781 Bumr50  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 8:06:54am

re: #748 opnion

It's understandable.
But you're wrong.
Rooney might end up with the appointment, but he truly believes that Barack Obama was the better choice for president.
I don't see anything wrong with that.
If you researched Rooneys history, he's a very principled man.
He issued the "Rooney Rule", essentially a step towards affirmative action, so his politics have gone both directions.
I'm not sure what the problem is and, and especially insinuate that his support was somehow linked to a personal and selfish perk for Rooney.

782 golly_wog  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 8:07:10am

re: #764 beblebrox

damnit! and the earth so obstructs my view of venus! Grrrrr!

From Bugs Bunny's radio:

Crispy Crunchies are the best
Look delicious on your vest
Serve them to unwanted guest
Stuff the matress with the rest!

783 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 8:07:16am

re: #780 Summersong

"So, Maisey the Parrot is a female, I'm a mail, and Maisey will, at times, bend over on her perch and "present" her backside to me."

Paper tiger? ;)

You spelt that wrong?

784 DeafDog  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 8:07:17am

re: #730 3 wood

Gee these socialists don't like paying taxes.

Ya know, as far back as January 2007, USA Today exposed the Dems who create charities adminitesred from their homes. This little scheme gets them out of paying property taxes.

Peolosi, Emmanuel and Even Bahy play this game.

I find it dispicable.

785 MandyManners  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 8:07:31am

re: #767 Walter L. Newton

What?

786 yma o hyd  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 8:07:54am

re: #770 MandyManners

I doubt the ones firing the rockets give a shit about the UNRWA.

Dunno about that - without UNWRA they'd have no schools where to store rockets and missiles, no money to buy said missiles, no money to build other armament storage facilities, a.k.a. mosques - and who would howl for them at the UN?

787 3 wood  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 8:07:56am

re: #765 lawhawk

Conspiracy theories are a way for people to deal with uncomfortable facts and instances. It also comes from a lack of information and knowledge.

True. I think you can throw a good measure of intellectual laziness in the team picture too.

788 Bumr50  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 8:07:58am

re: #760 MandyManners

I'll give you "Maia"'s number if you want.
//

789 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 8:08:09am

re: #785 MandyManners

What?

Gosh, I'm slow. got it.

790 Ford_Prefect  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 8:08:25am

re: #766 MandyManners

Icon? I'm just a Lizard.

Oh you are much more than just any Lizard. You are MandyManners, wielder of the cluebat. There are a hand full of Lizards that are in a different class than the rest of us bottom dwellers, and you are certainly one of those.

791 acwgusa  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 8:08:38am

re: #655 Honorary Yooper

TFK is right about the "two party evil money cult", he just has the state wrong. In Illinois, we politely refer to it as The Combine. The Combine is an alliance of Repulicans and Democrats (usually Cook County Dems) looking out for their own sons, daughters, pocketbooks, and not for the public interest. Most of the Republicans involved in The Combine are RINOs, willing to wheel and peddle their influence with the Dems.

As it stands right now, there are several members of The Combine in BHO's administration: BHO himself, Ray LaHood, David Axelrod, Rahm Emanuel, Eric Holder, and a few others. It's going to be a very interesting four years watching them in action as they fleece the country.

Someone call Gordon Freeman!

/Foghorn "I say son, that's a Half-Life joke."

792 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 8:08:50am

re: #785 MandyManners

What?

You must be having a grand time sitting there thinking "Walt, get a clue." LOL.

793 Bumr50  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 8:08:57am

re: #787 3 wood

Conspiracies almost never involve the conspiracy theorist.

794 MandyManners  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 8:08:58am

Most interesting juxtaposition of the morning.

re: #767 Walter L. Newton

It's called "presenting." Parrot's, or the opposite sex of it's owner, will "bond" in sort of a loving way. Well, all parrots bond with owners, but if you are of a different sex, the bond is a little more "personal."

So, Maisey the Parrot is a female, I'm a mail, and Maisey will, at times, bend over on her perch and "present" her backside to me.

You asked.

**************

re: #768 So?

Seek and ye shall fondle.

795 [deleted]  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 8:09:14am
796 Optimizer  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 8:09:33am

re: #725 monkeytime

Read the fine print. It might be a mail in with box top offer.

I knew I should have bought more than one box. Dammit!

797 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 8:09:36am

re: #785 MandyManners

What?

No you know what it's like around her. I try to talk to her, she says "what" and I answer and she say "what" and I answer...

798 albusteve  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 8:10:02am

re: #776 claspur

Black-eyed Vahhka? lol
You're living too High for me, wiff my Distillers Choice? *hick ;o)

.75 an oz at the check out...I sometimes grab a handful to enhance my Gatorade

799 LGoPs  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 8:10:16am

re: #763 FrogMarch

No wonder democrats have no problem raising OUR taxes. They don't pay, so it's easy.

Democrats live to find news ways to tax people. Here in CO - our union-loving governor is talking about a new tax, based on miles driven.

I'd heard Oregon was contemplating something similar and no doubt California would want to pick up on that.....
My question is.....isn't there already a tax on miles driven? It's a relatively obscure one, I will admit, but it is there, nonetheless. It's the freakin' GASOLINE TAX......ANYBODY HEAR OF IT....?
At what point do we get ready for another Boston Tea Party........hmmmmmm?

800 claspur  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 8:10:31am

I love that What thing....in movies, like in My Cousin Vinney...in court..

When They start doing That-What jazz, the whole thingy just goes away eventually.

anyone ever notice that? lol

801 Kenneth  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 8:10:35am

re: #765 lawhawk

Conspiracy theories are a way for people to deal with uncomfortable facts and instances. It also comes from a lack of information and knowledge.

Absolutely not. There exists plenty of knowledge about 9-11, who did it, why they did it, how they did it. The Troofers simply brush it away and invent absurd explanations based on very little knowledge at all. It's about psychology & mental health. In my opinion, believers in conspiracy theories would score very high for paranoia on psychological tests.

802 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 8:10:45am

re: #797 Walter L. Newton

No you know what it's like around her. I try to talk to her, she says "what" and I answer and she say "what" and I answer...

Now you know what it's like around here. I try to talk to her, she says "what" and I answer and she say "what" and I answer...

spelling, spelling...

803 Throbert McGee  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 8:10:49am

re: #678 Kosh's Shadow

And there's no Captain in Captain Crunch, either.

I believe that his official rank is Cap'n. The Captain is married to Tennille -- although all three of them are imaginary, just like Frankenberry and The Archies.

Superman [calling Kyle long-distance from Imaginationland] : "Hold the phone, Kyle -- Hercules is going to talk to you now."
Kyle: "Oh God."
Superman: "Yes, God is here, too. He wants to speak with you right after Cap'n Crunch."

804 MandyManners  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 8:10:56am

re: #786 yma o hyd

Dunno about that - without UNWRA they'd have no schools where to store rockets and missiles, no money to buy said missiles, no money to build other armament storage facilities, a.k.a. mosques - and who would howl for them at the UN?

I'm thinking that those who fire the rockets are just techinicians of a sort. Expendables.

805 [deleted]  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 8:11:22am
806 quickjustice  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 8:11:22am

re: #403 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

Back in the late 1970s, I drove down to Ft. Benning from Nashville for a wedding in the chapel on base. The groom was a client of mine, a country and western musician with his own band. The bride was a US Army Captain on the U.S. Olympic rifle team. (She shot for the U.S. in the Los Angeles Olympics.)

Jimmy Carter was President, and was rationing gasoline. I remember seeing every gas station I passed in Tennessee displaying "no gas" signs. I was worried about finding enough gas to get to Ft. Benning. As soon as I crossed the state line into Georgia, the signs disappeared. There was plenty of gasoline for Georgians. (Couldn't have been anything Carter arranged, could it?).

As for the wedding, the groom's side had country and western musicians dressed in denim, cowboy shirts, and boots. The bride's side had army officers in full dress uniform. It was quite a reception in the officers' club afterwards!

807 MandyManners  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 8:11:38am

re: #788 Bumr50

I'll give you "Maia"'s number if you want.
//

Who?

808 Bumr50  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 8:11:39am

re: #795 buzzsawmonkey

They look pretty amateur to me.

809 smokefire  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 8:11:46am

re: #762 yma o hyd

Just a little niggling response on those pesky niggling missile attacks:

'Israeli aircraft bombed smuggling tunnels connecting Gaza with Egypt on Tuesday after a rocket launched from the Islamist Hamas-ruled Gaza Strip struck theIsraeli port city of Ashkelon.
Residents of the Gaza border crossing town of Rafah and officials of Hamas said Israeli airforce planes were attacking the tunnels, which have been bombed several times since early January.(Reuters)'

[Link: www.ynetnews.com...]
'

niggling sounds racist to me. SARC

810 MandyManners  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 8:11:53am

re: #789 Walter L. Newton

What?

811 opnion  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 8:12:17am

re: #781 Bumr50

It's understandable.
But you're wrong.
Rooney might end up with the appointment, but he truly believes that Barack Obama was the better choice for president.
I don't see anything wrong with that.
If you researched Rooneys history, he's a very principled man.
He issued the "Rooney Rule", essentially a step towards affirmative action, so his politics have gone both directions.
I'm not sure what the problem is and, and especially insinuate that his support was somehow linked to a personal and selfish perk for Rooney.


Rest assured I have always respected the Rooney family, they are a great tradition in the NFL.
I just reported O'Riely's speculation about the Ambassadorship.
I think that itr is faiir speculation, in light of Dan Rooney "thanking" Obama, before the trophy presentatoion.
Come on , that doesn't seem a little strained?

812 FrogMarch  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 8:12:22am

re: #767 Walter L. Newton

It's called "presenting." Parrot's, or the opposite sex of it's owner, will "bond" in sort of a loving way. Well, all parrots bond with owners, but if you are of a different sex, the bond is a little more "personal."

So, Maisey the Parrot is a female, I'm a mail, and Maisey will, at times, bend over on her perch and "present" her backside to me.

You asked.

Walter, 'you can love your pets.... just don't luuuvvv your pets'.

(who said that?)

813 MandyManners  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 8:12:29am

re: #790 Ford_Prefect

Stop that shit right now. I'm just a Lizard.

814 Optimizer  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 8:12:51am

re: #693 eschew_obfuscation

Good Morning!

Hey, I was thinking about this story just this morning. My first thought was that the Norks are just blowing smoke (even if they are testing such a missile) because they would never risk the wrath of the U.S. by actually using one.

Then reality caught up with me when I remembered that that little Hirohito guy from just next door was stupid enough to attack Pearl Harbor back in the day.

"Back in the day" Japan was a major power on a par with the US, had a decent chance of knocking us out of the picture by sinking a good part of our Pacific fleet, but was up against a country with some backbone.

Different situation, I'd say.

815 claspur  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 8:12:51am

Walllter.....lol

I'm 53 in April....towards the end of the month.... *sigh

816 Bumr50  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 8:12:54am

re: #807 MandyManners

The girl who was "waiting for me" at the "text party"
She was "lonely."

817 albusteve  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 8:12:57am

re: #799 LGoPs

I'd heard Oregon was contemplating something similar and no doubt California would want to pick up on that.....
My question is.....isn't there already a tax on miles driven? It's a relatively obscure one, I will admit, but it is there, nonetheless. It's the freakin' GASOLINE TAX......ANYBODY HEAR OF IT....?
At what point do we get ready for another Boston Tea Party........hmmmmmm?

I'm in...

818 MandyManners  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 8:13:11am

re: #792 Walter L. Newton

What?

819 3 wood  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 8:13:33am

The market is trending up at the moment. Lots of 4th quarter profit numbers are being released, and it's about 50/50 on the good news and bad news.

Things may be leveling out now.

820 MandyManners  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 8:13:35am

re: #795 buzzsawmonkey

Pro-Muslim assholes have been in charge of UNRWA for at least 40 years.

How did this happen?

821 yma o hyd  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 8:13:40am

re: #804 MandyManners

I'm thinking that those who fire the rockets are just techinicians of a sort. Expendables.

Yep - expendable, becasue ehre are so many growing up to fill their shoes.
Nearly said 'uniforms', bu we know that they're all civilians, anyway, no unforms for them ...

Death cult - rather see their young die than make them learn and work productively.

822 Ford_Prefect  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 8:13:40am

re: #813 MandyManners

Stop that shit right now. I'm just a Lizard.

Yes Dear. ;-)

823 MandyManners  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 8:13:55am

re: #797 Walter L. Newton

What?

824 Bumr50  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 8:14:30am

re: #811 opnion

Maybe.
I could actually see Dan maybe trying to hook up one of his kids, nieces, nephews, or grandchildren first, though.

825 claspur  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 8:14:33am

re: #813 MandyManners


lmao....Oh Lordy!

826 aboo-Hoo-Hoo  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 8:15:03am

re: #814 Optimizer

"Back in the day" Japan was a major power on a par with the US, had a decent chance of knocking us out of the picture by sinking a good part of our Pacific fleet, but was up against a country with some backbone.

Different situation, I'd say.

Yea...but the damned German's beat'em to it at Pearl.

What?

827 Optimizer  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 8:15:04am

re: #802 Walter L. Newton

Now you know what it's like around here. I try to talk to her, she says "what" and I answer and she say "what" and I answer...

spelling, spelling...

What's on second?

828 Killian Bundy  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 8:15:17am

/try and take it back

829 MandyManners  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 8:15:53am

re: #816 Bumr50

The girl who was "waiting for me" at the "text party"
She was "lonely."

Is that like the "party" lines that useta' be advertised late at night on television?

830 LGoPs  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 8:15:54am

re: #823 MandyManners

What?

Watt already........are you a light bulb?

831 Ford_Prefect  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 8:16:12am

re: #827 Optimizer

What's on second?

Who's on second?

832 lawhawk  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 8:16:41am

Another day, another Obama nominee with tax problems.

The difference this time? The nominee has chosen to withdraw over the fact that she has a property tax lien of $946.69 against her.

That's less than 1% of the taxes owed by Daschle. Obama stands by Daschle, despite the tax cheating. Nice.

Democrats said that they wanted to change the culture of corruption.

That's not what they really wanted. They wanted to change the culture of corruption from GOP dominated to Democrat control. They've succeeded.. and it's only 2 weeks in.

833 MandyManners  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 8:16:47am

Gotta' go answer that dryer buzzer. bbiab

834 SurferDoc  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 8:16:53am

re: #707 MandyManners

Duuuuuuuuuude. You say this yet wonder how she hits those high notes?

She shoots. She SCORES!

835 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 8:16:58am

re: #831 Ford_Prefect

Who's on second?


No, who's on first.

836 Optimizer  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 8:17:03am

re: #826 aboo-Hoo-Hoo

Yea...but the damned German's beat'em to it at Pearl.

What?

Hey, get out of here, you! Don't you have a country to run!?!

////

837 jwb7605  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 8:17:07am

re: #830 LGoPs

Watt already........are you a light bulb?

I don't think so. She's just presenting herself?

//back to lurking ...

838 Golem Akbar  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 8:17:21am

Good morning to the green world of Lizards. I think I may be a Coastal Whiptail. Roots!

839 Ford_Prefect  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 8:17:33am

re: #830 LGoPs

Watt already........are you a light bulb?

How many Lizards does it take to change a light bulb? Just one, the rest are there to upding.

840 claspur  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 8:17:36am

spel'inz just a nuther wurd fur nuth'in left to lose...

841 DeafDog  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 8:17:53am

re: #755 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

I think that factory has moved to Eastern Pennsylvania. Joe Flacco & Matt Ryan are both from the Philadelphia area.

The local Dallas paper made note, recently, that there is a ton of Texas QBs in the College Ranks.

Texas will be the factory of the future.

842 Ford_Prefect  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 8:18:05am

re: #835 Kosh's Shadow

No, who's on first.

What's the name of the first baseman?

843 Bumr50  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 8:18:20am

re: #829 MandyManners

I think so.

844 Optimizer  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 8:18:23am

re: #835 Kosh's Shadow

No, who's on first.

I dunno!

845 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 8:18:27am

re: #801 Kenneth

Absolutely not. There exists plenty of knowledge about 9-11, who did it, why they did it, how they did it. The Troofers simply brush it away and invent absurd explanations based on very little knowledge at all. It's about psychology & mental health. In my opinion, believers in conspiracy theories would score very high for paranoia on psychological tests.

To paraphrase from "Foucault's Pendulum"

The lunatic is all idée fixe, and whatever he comes across confirms his lunacy. You can tell him by the liberties he takes with common sense, by his flashes of inspiration, and by the fact that sooner or later he brings up a conspiracy .

846 [deleted]  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 8:18:53am
847 Oh no...Sand People!  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 8:19:07am

Just got here. If I change my status to a (D) is that the secret sign that means I don't have to pay taxes? Then can I qualify for a nomination by Obama for something?
/ Pay your taxes to support your king...

848 FrogMarch  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 8:19:51am

re: #832 lawhawk

Another day, another Obama nominee with tax problems.

The difference this time? The nominee has chosen to withdraw over the fact that she has a property tax lien of $946.69 against her.

That's less than 1% of the taxes owed by Daschle. Obama stands by Daschle, despite the tax cheating. Nice.

Democrats said that they wanted to change the culture of corruption.

That's not what they really wanted. They wanted to change the culture of corruption from GOP dominated to Democrat control. They've succeeded.. and it's only 2 weeks in.

And the corruption is full tilt. I'd like to hear about a Republican who owes over $120,000.00 in back taxes? Certainly, if there is one, we would hear about him/her non-stop.

849 albusteve  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 8:20:18am

re: #838 Golem Akbar

Good morning to the green world of Lizards. I think I may be a Coastal Whiptail. Roots!

I'm an Inland Valley Upright myself...
Image: american_godzilla_94_fullsize.jpg

850 bellamags  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 8:20:51am

bbiab

851 eschew_obfuscation  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 8:21:04am

re: #809 smokefire

niggling sounds racist to me. SARC

Well, when 'niggardly' has been banned by the Bureau of Correct Language, one must resort to other words.

852 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 8:21:18am

re: #850 bellamags

bbiab

What!

853 Desert Dog  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 8:21:24am

14 kids? Me thinks this lady is a tad bonkers.

Octuplets Mom wants to cash in on her "motherhood"

854 claspur  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 8:21:49am

Mandy... I don't wanna get into your lifestyle 'ur nuffin, 'cept I've noticed you running-off to your dryer alot?

You do what, about thre loads of wash a week, or what? ;o)

855 JCM  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 8:22:23am

Repost from last night....

File in the we are so screwed file....

Sims picked for HUD; successor debate begins

King County Executive Ron Sims said Monday that he has been chosen for the No. 2 post in the federal Department of Housing and Urban Development, sparking debate about who would succeed him if he is confirmed by the U.S. Senate.


Seattle WA is in King Co. I live in King Co. just north of Seattle.
Sims has driven King Co. $60 million into the red.
His regulations and ordinances add an effective 100% hidden tax on all homes in the county. Then he wonders about the lack of affordable housing, and adds a new layer of regulations to mandate developers provide affordable housing. The mandates it has to fit aesthetically in the neighborhood, plus all kinds of "green" requirements.

Top guy at HUD is an ACORN guy, 2nd guys is a clueless tax and spender who screwed the King Co. housing market to hell and gone.

Hope & Change!

856 Desert Dog  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 8:22:26am

re: #851 eschew_obfuscation

Well, when 'niggardly' has been banned by the Bureau of Correct Language, one must resort to other words.

Yes, but White Honkey-Ass Motherfu*ker is still ok to use in certain situations.

857 So?  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 8:23:10am

So a pro-Muslim asshole walks into a bar__________________________

858 Golem Akbar  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 8:23:27am

re: #849 albusteve

I'm an Inland Valley Upright myself...
[Link: www.geocities.com...]


You gots mo' mojo than I. Not too shabby.

859 BigMoo  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 8:23:29am

Good morning campers, it's a beautiful day in Colorado.

BTW....Are we the only people paying our taxes ? Seems rather clear that we've uncovered a governing society of "the laws apply to thee, but not to me"...not good.

860 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 8:24:04am

re: #859 BigMoo

Good morning campers, it's a beautiful day in Colorado.

BTW....Are we the only people paying our taxes ? Seems rather clear that we've uncovered a governing society of "the laws apply to thee, but not to me"...not good.

And what's new?

861 JCM  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 8:24:18am

re: #853 Desert Dog

14 kids? Me thinks this lady is a tad bonkers.

Octuplets Mom wants to cash in on her "motherhood"

Whole family is a tad bonkers.
I think the taxpayers should sue the fertility clinic that went along with this travesty.

862 Oh no...Sand People!  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 8:24:26am

re: #859 BigMoo

Good morning campers, it's a beautiful day in Colorado.

BTW....Are we the only people paying our taxes ? Seems rather clear that we've uncovered a governing society of "the laws apply to thee, but not to me"...not good.

I am definitely seeing a trend here...

863 eschew_obfuscation  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 8:24:39am

re: #856 Desert Dog

Yes, but White Honkey-Ass Motherfu*ker is still ok to use in certain situations.

Along with its derivative "White Honco-Ass Motherfu*ker".

864 Golem Akbar  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 8:25:18am

re: #859 BigMoo

Good morning campers, it's a beautiful day in Colorado.

BTW....Are we the only people paying our taxes ? Seems rather clear that we've uncovered a governing society of "the laws apply to thee, but not to me"...not good.


We have to pay our taxes. We're out of power.

865 Nevergiveup  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 8:25:37am

I'm watching "groundhog day" on TV. That is kinda how I feel everyday since Jan20th. Except if I eat like a pig, I'm afraid I'm gonna gain weight?

866 Kenneth  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 8:26:00am

Iran's Proxy War Against America

One of the most damaging and unwarranted assumptions made is that sectarian differences within Islam should prevent cooperation in operations against the West. A brief look at the evidence shows that Iran and others have had no trouble in putting aside differences in theology to harm their enemies, especially America. Specific links include the Iranian connection to al-Qaeda in the Sudan, a partnership brokered by Hassan al-Turabi, one-time leader of Sudan’s ruling party, the National Islamic Front. Next, there is Imad Mugniyah, Hezbollah’s master terrorist, who helped Osama bin Laden upgrade al-Qaeda’s capabilities in the early 1990s. The 1996 Khobar Towers bombing, long suspected to be the handiwork of Hezbollah under direction from Iran, may also have had a junior partner in al-Qaeda. The 9/11 Commission established that the 1998 U.S. embassy bombings in Kenya and Tanzania were the work of Hezbollah-trained al-Qaeda operatives. There are disturbing signs that may implicate Iran in, at the very least, facilitating travel for some of the 9/11 hijackers. Finally, there is extensive evidence that Iran aided al-Qaeda’s retreat from Afghanistan in late 2001 and has allowed al-Qaeda agents to operate from Iranian soil ever since.

867 eschew_obfuscation  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 8:26:00am

re: #859 BigMoo

Good morning campers, it's a beautiful day in Colorado.

BTW....Are we the only people paying our taxes ? Seems rather clear that we've uncovered a governing society of "the laws apply to thee, but not to me"...not good.

What....you just discovered the Democrat party? (and a small handful of Old Boy Republicans).

868 Desert Dog  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 8:26:00am

re: #861 JCM

Whole family is a tad bonkers.
I think the taxpayers should sue the fertility clinic that went along with this travesty.

Oh well, I am sure all 14 of her spawn will turn out just fine.

/

869 BigMoo  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 8:26:01am

re: #860 Walter L. Newton

I guess all this tax evasion was never been 'jammed in my face' to such a level as when the Messiah has brought Hopenchange to our nation. Was I asleep at the switch prior ?

870 quickjustice  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 8:26:10am

So in the Obama Administration, the tax collectors are themselves tax cheats. The President is aware of that, and still wants them in his cabinet. Shades of Imperial Rome.

871 [deleted]  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 8:26:20am
872 Ford_Prefect  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 8:26:23am

re: #860 Walter L. Newton

And what's new?

What's new is that it is now 'okay'. Just a mistake. No big deal. Turbo Tax's fault. Just an oversight.

///

873 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 8:27:04am

re: #869 BigMoo

I guess all this tax evasion was never been 'jammed in my face' to such a level as when the Messiah has brought Hopenchange to our nation. Was I asleep at the switch prior ?

I was talking about your "We, thee" remark in general. When has politicians ever treated themselves like us?

874 FrogMarch  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 8:27:12am

LOL. oh how times have changed.

875 SurferDoc  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 8:27:15am

re: #865 Nevergiveup

I'm watching "groundhog day" on TV. That is kinda how I feel everyday since Jan20th. Except if I eat like a pig, I'm afraid I'm gonna gain weight?

Tomorrow morning you will be back to your normal weight.

876 tackle  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 8:27:22am

re: #847 Oh no...Sand People!

Just got here. If I change my status to a (D) is that the secret sign that means I don't have to pay taxes? Then can I qualify for a nomination by Obama for something?
/ Pay your taxes to support your king...

Maybe the tax cheats are just afraid to be too "patriotic" (according to Biden).

877 Desert Dog  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 8:27:24am

re: #866 Kenneth

Perhaps we should send a copy of that over to El Prezidente BO before he meets with them and does his grovel and "I'm sooo sorry" routine?

878 BigMoo  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 8:27:28am

re: #864 Golem Akbar

It begins to make a law-abiding, tax paying, mortgage paying, bill paying citizen begin to feel like a sucker...I guess I am.

879 subsailor68  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 8:27:39am

re: #853 Desert Dog

14 kids? Me thinks this lady is a tad bonkers.

Octuplets Mom wants to cash in on her "motherhood"

That video was unintentionally hilarious on many levels. So, she was a psychiatric technician who was injured on the job. WTF? How? Was she using a fork lift?

Slight rant here: Okay, she already had six kids, no job, and no money (so they say). And she goes to a fertility clinic who willingly helps her give birth to the entire cast of Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs. Fine. If she can't take care of them, I hope a judge out there rules that the fertility clinic has to support them until they're all eighteen.

880 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 8:27:48am

re: #872 Ford_Prefect

What's new is that it is now 'okay'. Just a mistake. No big deal. Turbo Tax's fault. Just an oversight.

///

Got it, ok, I can live with that... NOT.

881 Oh no...Sand People!  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 8:27:58am

re: #870 quickjustice

So in the Obama Administration, the tax collectors are themselves tax cheats. The President is aware of that, and still wants them in his cabinet. Shades of Imperial Rome.

CEASE HIM!

/Never insult the king.

882 Nevergiveup  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 8:28:17am

Turkish PM vows to fight anti-Semitism

[Link: www.jpost.com...]

Fight anti-semitism and wipe Israel off the face of the earth at the same time. neat trick.

883 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 8:28:23am

Be back later, I have some errands to run.

884 yma o hyd  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 8:28:24am

re: #865 Nevergiveup

I'm watching "groundhog day" on TV. That is kinda how I feel everyday since Jan20th. Except if I eat like a pig, I'm afraid I'm gonna gain weight?

Yep - eating like a pig (nothing against pigs, I happen to like them!) will definitely lead to weight gain.
However - keep in mind that chocolates have no calories, nor has ice cream - and anything which you pinch from another person's plate also is not fattening!

All that arugula however, and those waffles - best avoided!

885 [deleted]  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 8:28:28am
886 lawhawk  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 8:28:39am

re: #878 BigMoo

It begins to make a law-abiding, tax paying, mortgage paying, bill paying citizen begin to feel like a sucker...I guess I am.

You're not alone.

It's too bad that there isn't more furious anger against the Democrats and their fecklessness and tax cheating ways...

887 Desert Dog  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 8:28:57am

re: #874 FrogMarch

LOL. oh how times have changed.

A penny not declared is a penny saved

888 FrogMarch  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 8:28:58am

re: #855 JCM

Scary. Sad. Sick. Democrats live to find new and improved ways to make life hard, all while they sell it as "helping the little guy".

889 newsjunkie_ky  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 8:29:07am

Good morning you all. We have another 4" of gorebull warming out there with more coming down.
Have you all seen the piece by Judea Pearl?

890 subsailor68  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 8:29:29am

re: #885 buzzsawmonkey

There are laws against littering, aren't there?

LOL! Yep, and they sure broke 'em didn't they?

891 BigMoo  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 8:29:32am

re: #873 Walter L. Newton

Ah, good point. Which is exactly why it would be nice to 'drain the swamp' up there-which will never happen.

How does it go...power corrupts, absolute power corrupts absolutely ?

892 Kragar  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 8:29:42am

re: #881 Oh no...Sand People!

CEASE SEIZE HIM!

/Never insult the king.

893 SurferDoc  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 8:29:46am

Will there be a media firestorm about the Obama "vetting process"?

/Didn't think so...

894 Ford_Prefect  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 8:29:47am

re: #873 Walter L. Newton

I was talking about your "We, thee" remark in general. When has politicians ever treated themselves like us?

I saw somewhere that Ronald Reagan once said, and I am paraphrasing, that when politicians say "we" and mean the government, then it is time for them to step down. "We" should mean the people, not the government.

895 albusteve  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 8:29:54am

re: #874 FrogMarch

LOL. oh how times have changed.

puke me...what a fraud

896 Oh no...Sand People!  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 8:30:26am

re: #876 tackle

Maybe the tax cheats are just afraid to be too "patriotic" (according to Biden).

I really think you are on to something there.
Anything attached to the word 'patriot' is akin to garlic to a vampire to the left. By labeling taxes 'patriotic' the left is now going to fight against it.

hmmm...

Hey left! "Islamofascism is PATRIOTIC!"

//

897 newsjunkie_ky  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 8:30:34am

re: #870 quickjustice

So in the Obama Administration, the tax collectors are themselves tax cheats. The President is aware of that, and still wants them in his cabinet. Shades of Imperial Rome.


According to joe biden the 0 administration is NOT PATRIOTIC!

898 subsailor68  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 8:30:42am

re: #891 BigMoo

Ah, good point. Which is exactly why it would be nice to 'drain the swamp' up there-which will never happen.

How does it go...power corrupts, absolute power corrupts absolutely ?

I had a friend who used to say: "Power corrupts. Absolute power is absolutely delightful."

Used to think that was funny. Not so much anymore.

899 JCM  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 8:30:56am

re: #868 Desert Dog

Oh well, I am sure all 14 of her spawn will turn out just fine.

/

14 under the age of seven, single mom, living with her dad in a 3 bedroom home.
What could go wrong?
/

900 BigMoo  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 8:31:35am

re: #886 lawhawk

Sadly, I'd bet there's a fair share of Repub politicians who are in the same boat. Funny how it takes the vetting process to get these chuds to pay their taxes...

901 albusteve  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 8:31:53am

re: #892 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

I thought it was a contract

902 [deleted]  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 8:32:09am
903 subsailor68  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 8:32:10am

re: #899 JCM

14 under the age of seven, single mom, living with her dad in a 3 bedroom home.
What could go wrong?
/

Now, you put that to music you've got a crackerjack open for a new sitcom!

904 FrogMarch  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 8:32:56am

re: #895 albusteve

puke me...what a fraud

He and his wife have found their niche' making millions of dollars in DC.
So much for the junker car. And as is typical with the political class -they sell themselves as "just one of us". Please. Stop the madness.

905 eschew_obfuscation  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 8:33:11am

re: #900 BigMoo

Sadly, I'd bet there's a fair share of Repub politicians who are in the same boat. Funny how it takes the vetting process to get these chuds to pay their taxes...

The difference is that (most of the time) when it's a Republican, he gets thrown under the bus by the Republican party. When it's a Democrat, he gets promoted.

906 tackle  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 8:33:19am

re: #900 BigMoo

Probably true. Let's audit all of 'em!

907 FrogMarch  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 8:33:20am

re: #887 Desert Dog

A penny not declared is a penny saved

LOL!

908 Desert Dog  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 8:33:25am

re: #893 SurferDoc

Will there be a media firestorm about the Obama "vetting process"?

/Didn't think so...

The MSM did not even vet HIM why would they vet his cabinet? I am guessing they are a little pissed off over there at the White House. They are wondering why his Highness's choices are just not being waved through...

909 Eowyn2  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 8:34:04am

re: #744 claspur

,,,,,,,,,,,,,and Wood, can we get a brief explanation too, with the price of a barrel of oil now at an almost all-time low now since I don't recall, the price of food hasn't dropped a bit?

I can help on that one.

Farmers all planted last spring, they used the expensive oil/fuel etc in their tractors, if they estimated prices without reflecting what they paid for fuel last spring (and even fall for harvesting) they cant just lower prices.

Frt rates have been recently lowered as well.
By the way, next time you fill up, check the price of diesel. Its still quite a bit higher than unleaded AND, those big rigs get between 6-10 mpg. on the interstate, unloaded.

910 Honorary Yooper  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 8:34:20am

re: #842 Ford_Prefect

What's the name of the first baseman?

What's on second, and who's on first.

911 Ford_Prefect  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 8:34:26am

re: #903 subsailor68

Now, you put that to music you've got a crackerjack open for a new sitcom!

Guarantee you that she will end up with her own reality show.

912 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 8:34:43am

re: #844 Optimizer

I dunno!

Third base!

913 Honorary Yooper  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 8:34:52am

re: #844 Optimizer

I dunno!

He's on third base. Who's on first.

914 Ford_Prefect  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 8:34:57am

re: #910 Honorary Yooper

What's on second, and who's on first.

I don't know...Third Base!

915 albusteve  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 8:34:59am

re: #904 FrogMarch

He and his wife have found their niche' making millions of dollars in DC.
So much for the junker car. And as is typical with the political class -they sell themselves as "just one of us". Please. Stop the madness.

America is on the brink...we gave it all away while watching reality TV...ironic

916 Occasional Reader  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 8:35:16am

re: #879 subsailor68

How? Was she using a fork lift?

Heh.

"He TRIED to kill me with a forklift! (Olé!)"

917 subsailor68  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 8:35:22am

re: #911 Ford_Prefect

Guarantee you that she will end up with her own reality show.

How? The only thing she seems to know how to do is have babies.

Uh oh.

:-)

918 FrogMarch  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 8:35:24am

re: #889 newsjunkie_ky

Good morning you all. We have another 4" of gorebull warming out there with more coming down.
Have you all seen the piece by Judea Pearl?

Posted up above in the thread. It's a good one. thanks.

919 Ford_Prefect  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 8:35:26am

re: #912 Kosh's Shadow

Third base!

And I don't give a darn!

920 Nevergiveup  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 8:35:28am

re: #911 Ford_Prefect

Guarantee you that she will end up with her own reality show.

Is her husband Asian?

921 JCM  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 8:35:44am

Biden swears in AG Holder.

"No politics and no ideology," Biden vowed, promising that Holder will be "the people's lawyer."

"The Second Amendment does not protect firearms possession or use that Is unrelated to participation In a well-regulated militia."
Eric Holder.

F*&% you plugs.

922 Honorary Yooper  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 8:37:11am

re: #919 Ford_Prefect

And I don't give a darn!

IIRC, he's the shortstop.

923 Occasional Reader  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 8:37:13am

re: #892 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

re: #881 Oh no...Sand People!

CEASE SEIZE SNEEZE HIM!

/Never insult the king.

(A terrifying threat during flu season)

924 [deleted]  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 8:37:19am
925 Desert Dog  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 8:37:34am

re: #911 Ford_Prefect

Guarantee you that she will end up with her own reality show.

I would rather have my fingernails yanked out with pliers than watch something like that.....But, you are right, she will make money off of this. There is a certain segment in our population that has way too much lead in their paint at home and/or lives next to a chemical dump....that is the only explanation I can see why "reality shows" are popular.

926 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 8:38:02am

re: #882 Nevergiveup

Turkish PM vows to fight anti-Semitism

[Link: www.jpost.com...]

Fight anti-semitism and wipe Israel off the face of the earth at the same time. neat trick.

Well, if they get rid of Jews, there will be no more anti-Semitism, or Israel.

927 subsailor68  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 8:38:47am

re: #916 Occasional Reader

Heh.

"He TRIED to kill me with a forklift! (Olé!)"

LOL! I love those guys.

928 Ford_Prefect  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 8:38:54am

re: #917 subsailor68

How? The only thing she seems to know how to do is have babies.

Uh oh.

:-)

These people did it:

Jon And Kate Plus 8

17 Kids and Counting

929 Desert Dog  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 8:38:55am

re: #920 Nevergiveup

No Husband in sight, she is a single mother.....not sure about the first 6, but these last 8 came from a single sperm donor.....I hope it's not Abby Normals sperm 'cause it appears she has some of his DNA already

930 subsailor68  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 8:39:22am

re: #924 buzzsawmonkey

Absolutely perfect!

:-)

931 Ford_Prefect  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 8:39:29am

re: #922 Honorary Yooper

IIRC, he's the shortstop.

Ding!

932 Nevergiveup  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 8:39:36am

re: #926 Kosh's Shadow

Well, if they get rid of Jews, there will be no more anti-Semitism, or Israel.

And if they ever succeed in destroying Israel, I'm afraid us Jews will not be far behind.

933 Kragar  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 8:39:39am

re: #916 Occasional Reader

Heh.

"He TRIED to kill me with a forklift! (Olé!)"

KEN!

HAHAHA! You're stuck here!

934 Golem Akbar  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 8:39:39am

re: #878 BigMoo

It begins to make a law-abiding, tax paying, mortgage paying, bill paying citizen begin to feel like a suckerseeker...I guess I am.

just fixed it...

935 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 8:39:42am

re: #882 Nevergiveup

Turkish PM vows to fight anti-Semitism

[Link: www.jpost.com...]

Fight anti-semitism and wipe Israel off the face of the earth at the same time. neat trick.

No Jews = no more anti-Semitism. Problem solved.
/

936 WriterMom  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 8:39:43am

Yummmmm...candied almonds from Whole Paycheque.

937 SurferDoc  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 8:39:43am

re: #924 buzzsawmonkey

I bow before your genius!

938 Occasional Reader  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 8:40:22am

re: #902 ploome hineni

Yeah, “wagyu steak.” $100 per serving delicacy. I had to look it up, too.

Is Obama trying the old "wagyu the dog" ploy?

939 subsailor68  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 8:40:41am

re: #928 Ford_Prefect

These people did it:

Jon And Kate Plus 8

17 Kids and Counting


What a hoot! "Get to know the Duggars." No thanks.

:-)

940 WriterMom  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 8:40:43am

re: #935 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

I have a better one: no antisemites = no antisemitism.

941 Golem Akbar  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 8:40:44am

re: #926 Kosh's Shadow

Well, if they get rid of Jews, there will be no more anti-Semitism, or Israel.


Yes, it's not just a solution, but the Final Solution.

942 newsjunkie_ky  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 8:40:47am

re: #918 FrogMarch

Posted up above in the thread. It's a good one. thanks.


Knew most of you had but for those who hadn't hope they read it.

943 avanti  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 8:41:09am

re: #886 lawhawk

You're not alone.

It's too bad that there isn't more furious anger against the Democrats and their fecklessness and tax cheating ways...

Even the NYT spoke out against t Daschle today, but not sure what will happen since he has friends on both sides of the aisle. Some on the committee are buying the fact that he reported to his accountant in June, before he was approached by the transition team. The fact that it just looks so bad might be enough to kill it, it's a big tax number after all. By bet is that he'll get through because of his buddy club, but we'll see.
The more flack the GOP raises, the better chance, that he'll be pulled. The good news is the process is tough enough to bring out this sort of thing before they are appointed.

944 eschew_obfuscation  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 8:41:13am

re: #921 JCM

Biden swears in AG Holder.

"The Second Amendment does not protect firearms possession or use that Is unrelated to participation In a well-regulated militia."
Eric Holder.

F*&% you plugs.


Perhaps Joe doesn't remember the whole Scooter Libby thing? No politics there.////

945 BigMoo  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 8:41:16am

re: #898 subsailor68

Agreed-Totally

946 Occasional Reader  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 8:41:44am

re: #924 buzzsawmonkey

For this latest effort, I'd like to reward you with pork chops, n' apple sauce... but of course you can't eat the former.

947 JCM  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 8:41:45am

re: #928 Ford_Prefect

These people did it:

Jon And Kate Plus 8

17 Kids and Counting

Both those are married couples....
Not a single mother on welfare.

948 Eowyn2  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 8:41:45am

re: #906 tackle

Probably true. Let's audit all of 'em!

I dont understand why they aren't all audited by their respective states. I think they should be.

949 Charles Johnson  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 8:42:20am

One quick point: one of the quickest ways to lose your posting privileges at LGF is to use the software that I designed and made available, at no charge to users, to post insults to me.

950 subsailor68  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 8:42:49am

re: #947 JCM

Both those are married couples....
Not a single mother on welfare.

Hmm...good point. Maybe these kids will grow up to be the ones who cover my social security.

;-)

951 WriterMom  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 8:42:52am

re: #947 JCM

Exactly. Have as many kids as you can take care of. I'm all for big families. I think there is an ethical problem with the doctors who treated this woman. And, with her parents, too. Just discovering now that their daughter is mental? Bull.

952 BigMoo  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 8:43:15am

re: #902 ploome hineni

Yeah, he's not shown the best of judgement-or it's just Chicago politics moved to DC...kinda like "Mr. Capone Goes to Washington" ?

953 subsailor68  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 8:44:29am

Ooh, new thread. Gee a top islamic cleric calling for another Holocaust. What a freakin' surprise. Gotta check this out.

954 JCM  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 8:45:03am

re: #951 WriterMom

Exactly. Have as many kids as you can take care of. I'm all for big families. I think there is an ethical problem with the doctors who treated this woman. And, with her parents, too. Just discovering now that their daughter is mental? Bull.

We have 4 right now, 3 plus an 8 week old foster girl, oldest is 5. That's about our limit! ;-)

955 WriterMom  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 8:46:13am

re: #954 JCM

Perfect.

956 golly_wog  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 8:46:29am

Here's an idea for a real stimulus plan: Each of the 58 states (*wink*) gets 10 BILLION dollars. Each state has to build a pyramid twice as large as the one at Giza.

It's a buget half as large as what is being proposed.
It will create lots of jobs for a very long period.
Once created, it will become the worlds greatest tourist attraction and spread tourist dollars to each state.
It will stop global warming by changing the wind patterns (this is bull, but what's good for the goose is good for the gander)
The quarries become fishing lakes
The One gets to feel like a Pharoh, and that will keep his butt distracted and out of our hair while he preens.
First one finished gets a bonus of 10 BILLION dollars

957 Hobbes  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 8:46:29am

re: #859 BigMoo

Good morning campers, it's a beautiful day in Colorado.

BTW....Are we the only people paying our taxes ? Seems rather clear that we've uncovered a governing society of "the laws apply to thee, but not to me"...not good.

Seems like the One doesn't even pay his property taxes.

958 Ford_Prefect  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 8:47:17am

re: #947 JCM

Both those are married couples....
Not a single mother on welfare.

Exactly why she will get a show. It is a whole new angle. And she will be shown to be a heroic person.

959 avanti  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 8:47:36am

re: #900 BigMoo

Sadly, I'd bet there's a fair share of Repub politicians who are in the same boat. Funny how it takes the vetting process to get these chuds to pay their taxes...

If you watch the process, very few are clean enough to not find something, but, where to draw the line on tax "mistakes" $1000 mistake, 10K, a million ? i don't have the answer, but the committee has to decide how much the want to forgive based on how bad they want the guy.

960 LGoPs  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 8:48:15am

re: #870 quickjustice

So in the Obama Administration, the tax collectors are themselves tax cheats. The President is aware of that, and still wants them in his cabinet. Shades of Imperial Rome.

And the media is the Praetorian Guard........

961 yochanan  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 8:48:53am

Hello seeker! Now don’t feel alone here in the New Age, because there’s a seeker SUCKER born every minute.

962 notutopia  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 8:50:00am

THE SENILITY PRAYER :


Grant me the senility to forget the people


I never liked anyway,


The good fortune to run into the ones I do, and


The eyesight to tell the difference.

963 Occasional Reader  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 8:50:30am

re: #961 yochanan

Hello seeker! Now don’t feel alone here in the New Age, because there’s a seeker SUCKER born every minute.

Thank you, Captain Obvious.

964 Kenneth  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 8:51:46am

re: #953 subsailor68

Funny how he didn't get the ROP Memo.

965 subsailor68  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 8:52:56am

re: #964 Kenneth

Funny how he didn't get the ROP Memo.

Oh yeah! When you check out that thread, it's clear he missed it completely.

966 BigMoo  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 8:53:15am

re: #959 avanti

I wonder how much "forgiveness" you and I would get ?

967 JCM  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 8:54:36am

re: #958 Ford_Prefect

Exactly why she will get a show. It is a whole new angle. And she will be shown to be a heroic person.

I hope she does get a show, at least she'll have an income! In a way I'm less PO'ed at her that the damn clinic.

Any single mom with six kids under 7 who wants fertility treatments is OBVIOUSLY a NUT!

Why did the clinic go ahead and implant any embryos at all! Serious lack of ethics IMHO.

968 subsailor68  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 8:57:08am

re: #967 JCM

I hope she does get a show, at least she'll have an income! In a way I'm less PO'ed at her that the damn clinic.

Any single mom with six kids under 7 who wants fertility treatments is OBVIOUSLY a NUT!

Why did the clinic go ahead and implant any embryos at all! Serious lack of ethics IMHO.

My thinking exactly. First question at the clinic: "Do you have any children now?"

"Yes."

"Ah. How many?"

"Six."

"Six. And you're here why?"

969 avanti  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 8:58:03am

re: #966 BigMoo

I wonder how much "forgiveness" you and I would get ?

The golden rule. "He who has the gold, rules'"

970 Kenneth  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 9:05:54am

avanti

I noticed in a thread last night you took a lot of criticism for saying that Sarah Palin was divisive. I think you are correct, but maybe for the wrong reason.

Palin was indeed divisive, but that was one of her main benefits to the McCain campaign. The main reason McCain chose her was to bolstering support from the conservative and religious wings of the Republican party, which she did rather well. The other job she performed was as a human wedge issue. Modern election campaigns are based on analyzing demographics & targeting voting blocks. You beat your opponent by breaking up his voting blocks and pealing off voters to your side. Palin did that by making direct appeals to pissed-off Hillary supporters. She also appealed to the rural vs urban voter, to gun owners & hunters vs pro-gun control voters, to regular women vs radical feminists, & etc. Poling shows that Palin was able to pull at least some voters from each of these demographic groups. Exit polling showed that among the people who voted for McCain, Sarah Palin was more popular than the top of the ticket. Democratic counter-attacks such as Tiny Fey and Katie Couric launched, while pleasing to the liberal bed-rock, actually annoyed many undecided voters, driving them over to McCain.

In the end, it was not enough. McCain himself was less than thrilling, and the Obama campaign outspent the Republicans by a huge margin.

971 Charles Johnson  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 9:10:42am

Kenneth: I just read your comments about your mother -- and I want to express my sympathy and support.

972 Kenneth  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 9:19:44am

re: #971 Charles

Thank you very much, Charles. I have received many messages of support from fellow LGFers. In addition to everything else that LGF is, you have built a fine & caring community here. Thank you.

973 Throbert McGee  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 9:27:33am

re: #949 Charles

one of the quickest ways to lose your posting privileges at LGF is to use the software that I designed and made available, at no charge to users, to post insults to me.

Waaaah! This completely free-of-charge service doesn't validate ALL of my private religious beliefs -- fuck you, Charles!

Also, fuck the public library for not including pr0n DVDs in its a/v collection, and fuck my tap water for not being carbonated, and fuck the municipal streetlamp grid for not having strobe, discoball, or blacklight options.

Nothing is fair in this most unfair of all possible worlds, grumble-grumble...

974 Throbert McGee  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 9:31:43am

Aargh... should've scrolled down before posting. Sorry about that poor timing.

975 avanti  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 9:42:58am

re: #970 Kenneth

avanti

I noticed in a thread last night you took a lot of criticism for saying that Sarah Palin was divisive. I think you are correct, but maybe for the wrong reason.

.

I guess we more or less agree. She may have pulled more votes in for the base then she lost from the left and the middle. The bigger question is can she appeal to the middle and left, because you need some of them to win ?
As to getting the Clinton votes, not sure how many she won. I had a Clinton supporter friend that was ready to vote for Mccain, and she flipped after the Palin pick.

976 karmic_inquisitor  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 9:48:57am

Kenneth -

Just logged and saw your message about your mom.

I am very sorry to hear this. You and your family are in my prayers.

Not to raise any hopes, but there is a drug out there that has been approved to treat liver cancer. It cuts off the blood supply to the cancer and has been shown in clinical trials to extend life of the patients. A small number cured, but most get an extension of their lives. I know about it because I invested in the company who makes it long ago.

The drug is called Nexavar and it is produced by Onyx Pharmaceuticals. Bayer also sells it. While I would assume your mom's oncologist will have already thought about it one should always ask about such treatments. Again - not intended to raise false hopes, just potentially extend her life a bit longer which can be a great gift to you and your family.

977 Kenneth  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 10:03:43am

re: #976 karmic_inquisitor

Thank you for the support, and for the information. I will look into it right away.

978 Kenneth  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 10:10:28am

re: #975 avanti

There were about 12 million Clinton supporters. Polls suggest between 4 and 5 million voted for McCain/Palin. That's 4 or 5 million Democrats who should have voted for Obama but didn't. I've got to think most were attracted to Palin.

Many people who were turned off Palin actually believed Tina Fey's punch lines were real quotes from Palin. Oh well, when you've got 80% of the media in your camp, it's hard to fight back.

In fact, Palin kept McCain in the game. If not for her, the outcome would have been a landslide for Obama.

Don't count her out. The east coast liberal media dismissed Reagan as a joke candidate in 1976. He proved them wrong in 1980. Palin will be back in 2012 and she will still be around in 2016.

979 avanti  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 10:23:50am

re: #978 Kenneth

Don't count her out. The east coast liberal media dismissed Reagan as a joke candidate in 1976. He proved them wrong in 1980. Palin will be back in 2012 and she will still be around in 2016.

I don't count her out, she's smart, has some of that rock star thing going, but needs to get up to speed on the international issues and the like. She'll need to back track on her creationism comments and move away from the religious right a bit in my opinion.

980 jcbunga  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 10:37:33am

Holder Becomes Attorney General
[Link: www.cnn.com...]

He said he would base his decisions on "fairness". How's about basing them on the Constitution and law?

These modern libs are a sensitive bunch (The One's ears). Look at how Specter lit up Holder:

"Holder had a testy exchange with the Senate Judiciary Committee's ranking Republican, Arlen Specter, who questioned Holder's "fitness" for the office.

Holder shot back that Specter was "getting close to the line in questioning my integrity,"...

These guys are arrogant, elitest pu$$ies.


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